| 00:00.03 | jetscreamer | no now3d |
| 00:00.03 | dondelelcaro | now3d: no, they're not. |
| 00:00.04 | BBearr | apt-get install rpm tells me I've got the latest version |
| 00:00.05 | doub | pipeline: what i mean is that innovating is not GNU's primary goal |
| 00:00.08 | lu_ | here's my make-kpg, time make-kpkg --config=xconfig -?initrd --append-to-version=.yyyyddmm -?revision=gnulu2:lu.1 kernel_image |
| 00:00.15 | jetscreamer | BBearr, I SAID ALIEN NOT RPM |
| 00:00.28 | lu_ | my notes are all disorganized |
| 00:00.35 | lu_ | had to find the cut and paste |
| 00:00.36 | dondelelcaro | lu_: meh? /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 00:00.37 | jetscreamer | that's a gross make-kpkg |
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| 00:00.44 | BBearr | Okay, apt-get install alien * rpm? |
| 00:00.45 | Craigwd_2000 | Join the club lu_... |
| 00:00.45 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: That is correct. But not in a way that really meant anything to the average end-user. You couldn't buy movies or copy music, nor take snippets of either. It wasn't possible. Also, before the 1976 act, you were extremely limited in the ways you could license music. It was, in effect, all or nothing. |
| 00:01.05 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Through the 80's, things changed rapidly |
| 00:01.23 | Jennifer_Lopez | Can someone help little ole me with a sound problem? |
| 00:01.30 | lu_ | well, i wanted to the big hair ball posted so i could ask questions |
| 00:01.33 | Craigwd_2000 | DRM isn't much better... |
| 00:01.41 | jetscreamer | i mean that's a nice make-kpkg |
| 00:01.46 | DarkPainter | dammit |
| 00:01.46 | Thaiger | How can I play WMV8 with xine? |
| 00:01.52 | DarkPainter | it does it in my headphones too |
| 00:01.54 | now3d | how do I get a msg though..? is this channel for helpping people..? |
| 00:01.59 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: of course it was possible. You forget that people have been cutting and looping music and movies and putting the two together ever since talkies and magnetic tape were invented. |
| 00:02.01 | now3d | Thaiger: get mplayer codecs |
| 00:02.03 | trench | anyone know what file in /etc that you could put your email address in and every email you send out of the box it say user@domain.com and not user@box.domain.com |
| 00:02.13 | lu_ | i've rtm so please save me, i must be slow. does --append-to-version change the EXTRAVERSION in the makefile |
| 00:02.20 | trench | I know there is a file |
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| 00:02.34 | Azar | trench, exim? |
| 00:02.40 | jetscreamer | BBearr, no you apt-get install alien, then you alien the rpm |
| 00:02.47 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: who else besides the recording industry and the movie industry has thousands of lawyers make sure that every single penny of royalties they can get is got? |
| 00:02.47 | Thaiger | now3d:I downloaded the essential codecs from the mplayer website put them in /usr/lib/win32, still no luck |
| 00:03.08 | DarkPainter | confuego =| |
| 00:03.16 | trench | Azar: - I don't want a local mailserver |
| 00:03.18 | jetscreamer | Thaiger, /msg dpkg marillat and try it that way maybe |
| 00:03.24 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: I suggest you pick up a history of the subject. Music and movie licensing were very, very limited before the '76 act, and even more so before the act in the 40's. |
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| 00:03.35 | lu_ | and after a few kernel panics on load, am I supposed to update mkinitrd.conf for a proper initrd |
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| 00:03.39 | Azar | trench, then your ISP's server, ask the techs there |
| 00:03.40 | jetscreamer | lu_, yeah kinda, but man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 00:03.49 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: and by "limited" I mean the user had a great deal more freedom, and there were fewer ways to parcel out rights. |
| 00:04.01 | Johnn | Anybody knows how to exec internal bash skript with find -exec ? |
| 00:04.04 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: not that either of those is necessarily a good or bad thing. |
| 00:04.08 | jetscreamer | lu no, you're supposed to use --initrd (not -?initrd) |
| 00:04.10 | DarkPainter | cafuego =| |
| 00:04.11 | now3d | woulkd anyone help me with debian-installer please? |
| 00:04.15 | jasz | is there a /dev entry for the microphone input? |
| 00:04.18 | trench | Azar: - yeah I know the stuff |
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| 00:04.31 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: we're not talking about "users" here. We're talking about movie studios and artists making derivative works of works from other movie studios and artists. |
| 00:04.36 | jetscreamer | lu_, but you need the cramfs support and initrd support in the kernel |
| 00:04.37 | now3d | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ <- is still down |
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| 00:05.04 | lu_ | must be slow 'cause i man kernel-pkg already, read all the user/docs too? did the tldp.org kwan kernel and cvs |
| 00:05.08 | strubbel | Thaiger: apt-get install w32codecs |
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| 00:05.39 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Ahah. Yes, I know less about that. I've done stuff with legal history, I didn't much concern myself with the actual consequences of the legal environment :P |
| 00:05.54 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: But they're users too. |
| 00:05.55 | Johnn | Any idea how to write find in this way: find --exec [ -d $MODIFIED/$DIR ] || { echo"$RECOVER/$DIR"; rm -rf $RECOVER/$DIR; } ? |
| 00:05.56 | lu_ | ok, from what i've read, if you apt-get debian.package.kernel.deb it includes some kind of support? |
| 00:05.56 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: that's the group of individuals who has been trying to hash out what constitutes a derivitive work and what doesnt for at least 60 years or so, now. |
| 00:06.01 | harryvetch | anyone here ever use gnu screen to watch live remote sessions into a box before? |
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| 00:06.08 | cafuego | DarkPainter: Have a play with the volumes in the mixer, see if you can minimuse it. Otherwise, I dunno.. |
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| 00:06.25 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Heh, in that context, the '76 act opened up legions of cans of worms. All of a sudden you could license a hundred different kinds of derivative work at different rates and so on |
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| 00:06.32 | caphuso | Johnn: find comes with a -type option |
| 00:06.34 | DarkPainter | all the volumes are max in the mixer cafuego... |
| 00:06.45 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: oh, sure... but you could do that before, actually. |
| 00:06.53 | harryvetch | other then vnc i guess there is no other option. does vnc work in terminal mode? |
| 00:06.58 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:07.00 | nvz | [897po''iu;lykjhmn+ |
| 00:07.11 | cafuego | harryvetch: tysnoop |
| 00:07.11 | dondelelcaro | nvz: get your cat off the keyboard |
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| 00:07.33 | trench | Azar: but I know there was a file I could put the info in |
| 00:07.34 | harryvetch | tysnoop? |
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| 00:07.37 | now3d | http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html works, but thanks anyway.... |
| 00:07.48 | Azar | trench related to? |
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| 00:07.56 | Azar | sorry I was away.. |
| 00:07.58 | K9-Cop | Does anyone know if the latest nvidia Linux drivers work with the 2.6.10 kernel? |
| 00:08.11 | cafuego | K9-Cop: they need patching |
| 00:08.17 | Azar | K9-Cop it works but hard to configure |
| 00:08.23 | cafuego | K9-Cop: And they need MORE patching for 2.6.11-preX |
| 00:08.26 | Johnn | caphuso: I can get find --exec script.sh and in script.sh I can have what I wrote before ..bud I don't want to have 2 scrupts ..one for find and second script as input for --exec. I'd like to have this in one script ..any idea ? |
| 00:08.30 | Azar | cafuego, I patched it and still nothing |
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| 00:08.36 | K9-Cop | Does it work for 2.6.9? |
| 00:08.41 | Tuttle | hi people, i was happily using logcheck on woody. now on sarge i cannot find this pkg in the cache nor the mention on the web/groups. packages.debian.org is offline now. does anyone have a clue where it gone and what is the best to use instead? |
| 00:08.47 | cafuego | K9-Cop: nothing what? do they compile ok? |
| 00:08.49 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh I dont have a cat.. I set off a chain reaction. As I came into the room, I grabbe the mouse off the chair so I could sit, and got tangled. Then I spun the chair knocking the keyboard resting on it towards the guitar.. naturally I went to save the guitar, and the keyboard hits the gravity bong and I am diving again. |
| 00:09.07 | mwilson | Sarge doesn't have logcheck? |
| 00:09.11 | mwilson | Weird. |
| 00:09.15 | mwilson | Sid still does. |
| 00:09.15 | linoleum | please, how can I start a second X session ??? startx --1 ?? it's not working but I think it's something like that |
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| 00:09.19 | trench | Azar: If i use mutt or pine or whatever .. i want it to send mail from user@domain.com |
| 00:09.19 | K9-Cop | I don't know, I just wanted to know before I tried updating to 2.6.10 |
| 00:09.22 | sussudio | gravity bong? dude. |
| 00:09.29 | cafuego | !info logcheck sarge |
| 00:09.33 | dpkg | logcheck: (Mails anomalies in the system logfiles to the administrator), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2.33 (sarge), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 00:09.36 | trench | Azar: - not user@box.domain.com |
| 00:09.42 | dondelelcaro | nvz: heh |
| 00:09.54 | khanfused | (Raising hand) Got a seriously odd compile question ... or at least odd for me, because I'm new to kernel compiles and have been fighting it all friggin week. The ultimate goal I'm aiming for is compiling ndiswrapper as a module, to use a wireless card .... Because this is a new install & I didn't have headers & code ( and silly me, I decided to learn kernel compiles) I've been attacking it by pulling down 2.4.29 kernel cod |
| 00:10.20 | nvz | dondelelcaro: sussudio, has a hard time showing his appreciation. but you clearly see I am quite a storyteller |
| 00:10.27 | Azar | cafuego, I downloaded and installed latest nvidia driver then I compiled XF86Config, applied bunk patches, installed OpenBox and startx still won't work, NVIDIA error |
| 00:10.34 | DarkPainter | hey cafuego!! |
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| 00:10.36 | khanfused | and oh yeah -- where I can FIND debianized kernel headers for 2.4.25 ... debian.org and the debian mirror at UC Berkely don't have 2.4.25 |
| 00:10.37 | DarkPainter | do i need codecs?! |
| 00:10.38 | cafuego | K9-Cop: You bloody moron. |
| 00:10.46 | cafuego | DarkPainter: no |
| 00:10.50 | DarkPainter | =| |
| 00:11.05 | trench | khanfused: why not make it yourself ? |
| 00:11.10 | dondelelcaro | khanfused: snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:11.19 | snype | anyone have an apt repository for xvid? |
| 00:11.20 | DarkPainter | so u give up =| |
| 00:11.30 | nvz | DarkPainter: wtg, you got yourself a uniqe nick now. you should register it ;) |
| 00:11.31 | cafuego | Azar: Compiled XF86Config? Bunk patches? What? |
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| 00:11.49 | morner | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 00:11.52 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 00:11.56 | DarkPainter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.57 | MattF | How do I change the colours that the shell uses for different permissions? |
| 00:12.00 | morner | that has the win-codecs package |
| 00:12.01 | dondelelcaro | DarkPainter: /msg nickserv help |
| 00:12.01 | Azar | in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o: no symbols found, failed to init NVIDIA kernel module, screens found but none have a usable configuration. Thats what I get when I do startx |
| 00:12.04 | henk | can someone help me with ldconfig? |
| 00:12.08 | khanfused | trench: make "it" myself? ... which, the module? That's what I'm trying to do |
| 00:12.11 | dondelelcaro | henk: just ask your question |
| 00:12.12 | nvz | DarkPainter: /msg nickserv help |
| 00:12.22 | cafuego | MattF: Update $LS_COLORS |
| 00:12.27 | MattF | thanks |
| 00:12.30 | MattF | where's that? |
| 00:12.50 | cafuego | MattF: in .$SHELLrc or /etc/profile or /etc/environment |
| 00:13.04 | Azar | so cafuego what should I do, recompile the entire kernel, nvidia and XF86Config again? |
| 00:13.10 | DarkPainter | =| |
| 00:13.17 | cafuego | Azar: You shouldn't run XF86Config *ever* |
| 00:13.18 | DarkPainter | so i guess i just cant play sound from this |
| 00:13.32 | henk | i edit /etc/ld.so.preload and i have an typing error now in thios file an now every command give me an error how can i repair this |
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| 00:13.33 | cafuego | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:13.42 | Azar | cafuego, after every kernel compilation yeah I do that |
| 00:13.50 | henk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.03 | henk | rm ls does not work now |
| 00:14.15 | Azar | ok I will try the entire shebang again |
| 00:14.18 | cafuego | henk: Boot a rescue cd, mount your root fs, edit ld.so.preload and fix the typo. |
| 00:14.34 | dondelelcaro | henk: probably LD_PRELOAD="" foo; will work |
| 00:15.06 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 00:15.20 | henk | i cant boot it, it is not my server an i have no physical access |
| 00:15.27 | henk | dont have |
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| 00:15.31 | DarkPainter | hey cafuego, how do i insert that driver again, i dont think i ever did it |
| 00:15.42 | dondelelcaro | henk: eh? no need to boot, just use LD_PRELOAD="" foocmd; |
| 00:15.47 | lu_ | jetscreamer lu_, but you need the cramfs support and initrd support in the kernel, ** i'm assuming you mean in the configuration/ |
| 00:15.51 | cafuego | henk: Should've thought of that before you fucked with a critical file remotely *duh* |
| 00:16.02 | simonrvn | irony; notroot was logged in as root... |
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| 00:16.41 | dondelelcaro | rr... /etc/ld.so.preload |
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| 00:16.57 | simonrvn | or that |
| 00:17.00 | peterS | it's great for things like fakeroot |
| 00:17.02 | peterS | but systemwide? |
| 00:17.09 | simonrvn | *shudder* |
| 00:17.10 | dondelelcaro | LD_PRELOAD at least has a purpose... but systemwide is just asking for issues |
| 00:17.13 | notrewt | so connectin' with root as user_name isn't fun.. |
| 00:17.30 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: i've seen people use it to be able to log all processes any user starts by overloading the exec calls |
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| 00:17.35 | cafuego | notrewt: it's also not smart |
| 00:17.41 | maher | notrewt: don't connect as _user_ root - no-one careswhat your nick is |
| 00:17.44 | trench | khanfused: make menuconfig ; make dep; make-kpkg clean ; make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image kernel_headers kernel_source |
| 00:17.57 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: but i don't know of a _sane_ reason either |
| 00:18.06 | henk | LD_PRELOAD="" vi /etc/ld.so.preload give me the same error ---vi: error while loading shared libraries:.... |
| 00:18.07 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: yeah... I suppose that could do it... but it's often just asking for problems (and that wouldn't work for statically linked things...) |
| 00:18.14 | BBearr | ...back again. I installed alien and looked at the help file. |
| 00:18.26 | cortex | Are there any debian wxwidgets packages with gtk2 support? |
| 00:18.36 | caphuso | henk: try 'echo > /etc/ld.so.preload' |
| 00:18.37 | dondelelcaro | henk: echo > /etc/ld.so.preload; may work |
| 00:18.49 | lu_ | Trench, do you need to include kernel_image, headers and source when you make-kpkg |
| 00:18.50 | BBearr | The ATI instructions are for rpm, though, so I'm still a bit lost |
| 00:19.03 | cafuego | !tell BBearr -about ati drivers |
| 00:19.08 | peterS | or just :>/etc/ld.so.preload |
| 00:19.15 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: nicely aligned |
| 00:19.17 | henk | thx thx thx |
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| 00:19.19 | directhex | !ati drivers |
| 00:19.20 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 00:19.31 | lu_ | i know there are lots of options, but if your goal is to include nvidia later? |
| 00:19.36 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 00:19.45 | cafuego | !lart directhex |
| 00:19.52 | khanfused | trench: ... that looks like the set of commands I've BEEN using to try and get a working kernel with new source ... this kernel goes into panic during boot |
| 00:19.57 | directhex | argh! solaris! i'm infected! |
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| 00:20.07 | Newport | does anyone know if an ati radeon 9*** card support means the card has to be made by ati, not like generic or saphire? |
| 00:20.14 | lu_ | khanfused, i must have a similar prob |
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| 00:20.20 | cafuego | notrewt: Just generic radeon |
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| 00:20.45 | peterS | Newport: for non-ATI cards that use ATI chips, I suppose it's a crapshoot |
| 00:20.50 | harryvetch | whats a way to refresh /etc/iniitab |
| 00:20.54 | simonrvn | quickly! get the slowarisitis spray and spray directhex with it! |
| 00:20.56 | caphuso | harryvetch: telinit q |
| 00:20.58 | peterS | Newport: might work fine, might not, but likely it hasn't been tested by the right people |
| 00:20.58 | lu_ | khanfused, how are you configuring the kernel? |
| 00:21.00 | cafuego | harryvetch: init q |
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| 00:21.22 | trench | khanfused: - http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.4_compile/index.php |
| 00:21.22 | directhex | Newport, all ati cards are made by non-ati |
| 00:21.27 | directhex | Newport, some are BRANDED by ati. |
| 00:21.28 | lu_ | cp /boot/config-2.6.x-1 /usr/src/linux?? |
| 00:21.32 | Newport | well im looking to by a new vid card cause my radeon 7200 will not work right in deb, plus its old.. is there a good (cheap side) vid card that will work nice and play the latest games? |
| 00:21.44 | peterS | directhex: well, the ones branded by ATI are presumably the ones tested by the right people |
| 00:21.52 | directhex | peterS, nah. |
| 00:21.53 | trench | lu_: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php |
| 00:21.55 | lu_ | trench i read the falkotimme.com howto |
| 00:21.55 | simonrvn | lu_: cp /boot/config-2.6.x-1 /usr/src/linux.config |
| 00:21.57 | cafuego | notrewt: yeah. nvidia will make your life (a bit) easier though. |
| 00:21.58 | BBearr | My vid is ATI 9200 128M |
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| 00:22.00 | Newport | directhex, cool... i was hoping that |
| 00:22.02 | simonrvn | lu_: cp /boot/config-2.6.x-1 /usr/src/linux/.config |
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| 00:22.20 | trench | lu_: he don't have the kernel_headers in there |
| 00:22.24 | cafuego | eh |
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| 00:22.27 | Newport | BBearr, it plays all the latest games with good frame rates?, i was thinking about getting a 9200 with 256mb |
| 00:22.33 | directhex | peterS, generally only 1 or 2 companies actually make the boards, everyone else sells them wiothout any extra testing. including ati. |
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| 00:22.36 | cafuego | Newport: yeah. nvidia will make your life (a bit) easier though. |
| 00:22.37 | Newport | like $75 off pricewatch |
| 00:22.37 | lu_ | ok i got that far, and it's after make-kpkg that my kernel farts |
| 00:22.38 | DarkPainter | uh guys..... i cant run games. wtf? |
| 00:22.55 | Azar | hmm screens found but none have a valid configuration |
| 00:23.00 | Newport | cafuego, but I will need to recompile the kernel right? |
| 00:23.01 | lu_ | i have headers, source, and image already installed |
| 00:23.03 | Azar | this is why I cannot get in X |
| 00:23.03 | directhex | Newport, defin e'latest'. 9200 is a 3-year-old 8500le. don't expect reasonable tresolutions & framerates on recent games. |
| 00:23.08 | BBearr | My son does the game playin' but he thinks it's good |
| 00:23.11 | trench | lu_: and I don't belive he uses any modules |
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| 00:23.14 | cafuego | Newport: No, just compile and install the nvidia driver. |
| 00:23.17 | Azar | cafuego what that message tells me and I do not understand? |
| 00:23.23 | directhex | !nvidia one-liner |
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| 00:23.27 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! It is said that you need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
| 00:23.29 | BBearr | I can't get it to agree with X, though. |
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| 00:23.36 | cafuego | !noscreensfound |
| 00:23.36 | Newport | cafuego, ok then... which card should i be looking for? |
| 00:23.36 | dpkg | noscreensfound is probably probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 00:23.38 | jnc | i got a good question... |
| 00:23.42 | jnc | where do we find potato? |
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| 00:23.50 | jnc | i've got a mac 68k i would like to run linux on |
| 00:23.54 | Newport | directhex, then that means hell no on the 9200 for me :) i want to upgrade :) |
| 00:23.55 | SDFH_Linux | whoa |
| 00:23.56 | directhex | Newport, 9200 is the fastest you can do with Free drivers. any nvidia card is better if you don't mind non-free |
| 00:23.56 | jnc | it doesn't quite work with woody |
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| 00:24.01 | maher | jnc: archive.debian.org |
| 00:24.04 | SDFH_Linux | i got an old macintosh classic |
| 00:24.05 | cafuego | Newport: Depends on your budget, eh. |
| 00:24.08 | simonrvn | jnc: um, why not woody? |
| 00:24.13 | lu_ | from what i've read in the configuration step you must not include rivafb and apgart |
| 00:24.15 | jnc | simonrvn: i tried, it won't install |
| 00:24.17 | laelinvars | Does anybody known why this command doesn't work with me: < echo "message body" | mail -s "message header" myemail@terra.com.br > Do I need to have a MTA configured into my host? how can I use it using an external smpt server? |
| 00:24.18 | BBearr | Okay, I'll read the log. |
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| 00:24.20 | BBearr | brb |
| 00:24.22 | jnc | maher: brilliant! thanks |
| 00:24.24 | cafuego | Newport: I have an FX5700 256MB which works just dandy. |
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| 00:24.25 | directhex | lu_, it's fine. just use the debian packages |
| 00:24.29 | simonrvn | jnc: what happens? |
| 00:24.30 | dav89 | hello, how can i install mysql?? |
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| 00:24.40 | directhex | i swapped a 6800 for a 4200 earlier, absolutelyu effortless |
| 00:25.00 | Gathond | dav89: apt-get install mysql-server (or -client depending on you need) |
| 00:25.05 | jnc | simonrvn: answer question for language, confirm release notes, partition disk, *resets debian installer process* |
| 00:25.14 | jnc | so i don't get very far |
| 00:25.27 | lu_ | thanks guys, nice to know i'm not the only blue penquin |
| 00:25.28 | jnc | tried woody, sid, sarge |
| 00:25.43 | simonrvn | jnc: you sure that's woody, and not sarge? |
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| 00:25.55 | simonrvn | (sounds like sarge...) |
| 00:26.05 | jnc | simonrvn: well i tried them all |
| 00:26.12 | jnc | same dealie, they reset the installer process |
| 00:26.16 | jnc | it just happens at different ways |
| 00:26.16 | SDFH_Linux | how is stable is it still very old? |
| 00:26.23 | jnc | always within the first 3 prompts |
| 00:26.25 | simonrvn | i installed on a quadra800 once, worked fine. just needs lotsa patience |
| 00:26.45 | doubidou | hi. I can't go on debian.org ... is it normal ? |
| 00:26.47 | simonrvn | ..was woody |
| 00:26.52 | simonrvn | doubidou: /topic |
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| 00:27.01 | Zap-W | this channel never sleeps |
| 00:27.08 | Newport | cafuego, cool ill look for that then :) |
| 00:27.11 | SDFH_Linux | nope |
| 00:27.12 | cafuego | ZZzzzzzzzap-W |
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| 00:27.26 | notrewt | I'm having a little trouble with alsa ~.~ i get this error when trying to install the driver for my card from source: |
| 00:27.29 | notrewt | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/source SUBDIRS=/usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.8 O=/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build modules |
| 00:27.29 | ricky_clarkson | Zap-W: One of the side-effects of the Earth not being flat. |
| 00:27.32 | notrewt | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/source: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 00:27.34 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 00:27.34 | notrewt | make: *** [compile] Error 2 |
| 00:27.36 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: <heh> |
| 00:27.49 | cafuego | notrewt: Do not paste into this channel! |
| 00:27.54 | Newport | cafuego, $93 bucks! thats in budget 4 me :) |
| 00:28.01 | Newport | cafuego, ordering now hehe |
| 00:28.02 | cafuego | Newport: Neet! |
| 00:28.15 | notrewt | cafuego: ah, sorry... i was under the impression that four lines or less was allowed. |
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| 00:28.29 | notrewt | i get that after typing: ./configure --with-cards=snd-cmipci --with-sequencer=yes;make;make install |
| 00:28.30 | Newport | cafuego, i think my motherboard only supports 4x agp.. will that card do that? |
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| 00:28.34 | peterS | notrewt: 2 lines or less is fine. 3 lines is annoying. 4 lines will get you kicked. |
| 00:28.35 | cafuego | notrewt: Check the /topic |
| 00:28.51 | cafuego | Newport: Umm.. Good question. |
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| 00:29.04 | laelinvars | Does anybody known why this command doesn't work with me: < echo "message body" | mail -s "message header" myemail@terra.com.br > Do I need to have a MTA configured into my host? how can I use it using an external smpt server? |
| 00:29.08 | Zap-W | ricky_clarkson: who told you the earth isn't flat?? |
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| 00:29.17 | cafuego | notrewt: Why the hell are you compiling lsa modules for a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:29.25 | ricky_clarkson | Zap-W: Galileo. |
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| 00:29.39 | Zap-W | ricky_clarkson: you are over 500 years old? |
| 00:29.44 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 00:29.45 | maher | ricky_clarkson: the earth not being flat is just a theory |
| 00:29.52 | ricky_clarkson | Zap-W: He left me a note. |
| 00:30.01 | cafuego | notrewt: All 2.6 kernels have alsa built-in. No compiling needed. |
| 00:30.03 | ricky_clarkson | maher: Yeah, and Darwin was wrong, hmm? |
| 00:30.27 | notrewt | cafuego: because i've as of yet, been unable to get anything but stereo from my 5.1 card and 5.1 speaker setup. |
| 00:30.32 | harryvetch | ttysnoop will also work on ssh connections? |
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| 00:30.51 | cafuego | notrewt: That's still no reason to 1) waste time and 2) break your kernel. |
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| 00:31.09 | quittt | pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x5 |
| 00:31.12 | quittt | is it normal? |
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| 00:31.24 | quittt | shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _BBN fail=0x5 |
| 00:31.25 | cafuego | Newport: looks lim,e it'll do AGP 2X, 4X and 8X. |
| 00:31.31 | cafuego | quittt: yes |
| 00:32.12 | directhex | Newport, all agp8x cards work in agp4x boards |
| 00:32.13 | dbeal | Q: Firefox/mozilla both seem to launch semirandom URLs when I mess with the middle mouse button. What's going on here? |
| 00:32.30 | Newport | sweet then im buying it |
| 00:32.34 | directhex | Newport, there's an issue with agp 1x/2x boards, 2x/4x/8x is fine. it's down to voltages. |
| 00:32.39 | cafuego | A: you're messing with the middle button. Don't. |
| 00:32.40 | notrewt | cafuego: So if all regular means get is stereo; what am i to do? |
| 00:32.42 | Newport | thanks for all the help guys |
| 00:32.53 | directhex | dbeal, it's loading the url in your clipboard, or failing that, doing a google 'i'm feeling lucky' |
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| 00:32.57 | cafuego | notrewt: Use a card that has working drivers? |
| 00:32.58 | maher | notrewt: listen in stereo? |
| 00:32.59 | directhex | Newport, which card was it? |
| 00:33.10 | Newport | uhhh i need to lookup to what mb i have.. all i know its made by gigabyte |
| 00:33.13 | quittt | cafuego, I get some error in boot message |
| 00:33.17 | quittt | is it normal? |
| 00:33.26 | quittt | is something related with those modules |
| 00:33.29 | quittt | what hell is that? |
| 00:33.30 | cafuego | quittt: Why do I need to repeat myself? |
| 00:33.33 | dbeal | cafuego, but I use the middle mouse button for autoscroll functionality in Firefox. |
| 00:33.34 | notrewt | cafuego: my home pc has a card with this chipset, runnign a 2.4 kernel, install from source got 5.1 |
| 00:33.38 | Newport | directhex, Nvidia - NFX5700256 - GeForce FX 5700 LE 256MB DDR |
| 00:33.48 | cafuego | dbeal: the middle button is 'paste' in X. |
| 00:33.53 | notrewt | running^ |
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| 00:34.01 | simonrvn | jnc: classic you said? you know 2.4 needs an m68k with an mmu |
| 00:34.14 | laelinvars | Coult any body help me whith mail program? |
| 00:34.14 | directhex | Newport, okay as a budget card, don't spend much one one though |
| 00:34.25 | dbeal | directhex, I had a feeling that was going on. I'm a complete Gnome Gnoobie and I don't know where this clipboard thing is or how to adjust it. Do you know? |
| 00:34.27 | cafuego | notrewt: If it's looking for source in /lib/modules/2.6.* it's NOT running a 2.4 kernel. |
| 00:34.28 | Newport | directhex, $93 |
| 00:34.40 | directhex | Newport, that's reasonable. |
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| 00:35.09 | irp | hi, I need grub for serial terminals, is necessary to recompile it to support preset menu? thanks in advance |
| 00:35.14 | directhex | dbeal, middle click is paste in xfree86. that's the way it is. that firefox takes a paste as 'google i'm feeling lucky this'.. dunno how to edit that |
| 00:35.16 | Newport | directhex, it should play the latest crap.. i dont care about 1280x1034 @ 180 fps... :) |
| 00:35.16 | notrewt | cafuego: This box is 2.6 , my desktop at home is 2.4 ,and working fine with this chipset soundcard and a source alsa install.. |
| 00:35.31 | cafuego | notrewt: So you're simply not loading the moduels right. |
| 00:35.32 | Newport | err 1024 hehe |
| 00:35.35 | directhex | Newport, it'll play them, just don't expect to turn up the settings to 11 |
| 00:35.56 | cafuego | Newport: Yes, it support all new DirectX9 crap and anti-aliasing and whatnot. |
| 00:36.18 | Newport | its done to what games work on linux :) |
| 00:36.20 | cafuego | Newport: 1600x1200 @ 240fps is nice, though ;-) |
| 00:36.21 | quittt | thanks cafuego |
| 00:36.22 | quittt | =] |
| 00:36.24 | directhex | cafuego, i think the opengl abilities are more relevant |
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| 00:36.38 | Newport | cafuego, lol yeah my radeon used to do that with quake 3 |
| 00:36.53 | cafuego | directhex: Yeah. They're generally on par with DX though. latest ~ latest |
| 00:37.00 | directhex | doom 3 at high detail & resolution is nice visually. a bit repetitive to play though. |
| 00:37.01 | dbeal | directhex, okay, then I guess I have to look at Firefox's configuration. Thanks! |
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| 00:37.10 | directhex | cafuego, true. and probably easier to remember & quote dx equivcalences |
| 00:37.16 | cafuego | directhex: That's inherent to the genre. |
| 00:37.30 | directhex | ut2004 is still the big linux game for me. i just like being top dog i think |
| 00:38.01 | dbeal | Mozilla reacts to middle mouse clicks too. |
| 00:38.25 | cafuego | dbeal: Yes, it pastes into the window and mozilla tries to open the paste data as a url. No good comes of it. |
| 00:38.44 | sussudio | !bear directhex |
| 00:39.02 | cafuego | dpkg: learn some spelling |
| 00:39.09 | dbeal | cafuego, I gotta disable that. |
| 00:39.13 | cafuego | HAHAHAHA! |
| 00:39.14 | directhex | i fel it's time for a directhexsmite. i wish i could remember correct blootbot $1 syntax |
| 00:39.28 | laelinvars | I have a server with dynamic IP and I would like to it to send me a mail telling me the IP, how could I do this? I know how to get the IP, but the mail command doesn't work. It says something about exim.conf. what would I do? |
| 00:40.25 | Newport | heh ive recompiled my kernel about 50 times now, ive even used the default crap from make xconfig and if i dont --initrd, i dont boot.. i really need to figure out how to remove initrd :) |
| 00:40.30 | cafuego | !directhexsmite directhex |
| 00:40.32 | caphuso | laelinvars: wouldn't it be more convenient to use dyndns.org or something? |
| 00:40.34 | strubbel | what's this? "modprobe: Can't locate module tap0" i thought tap0 is a device. it gets triggered by diald. |
| 00:40.43 | directhex | :/ |
| 00:40.58 | Zap-W | anyone know if these xeon 450 pii 512k cache cpus need special motherboard or will work on any 440bx mobo? |
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| 00:41.01 | caphuso | strubbel: missing alias in modules.conf? |
| 00:41.09 | cafuego | directhex: /m dpkg cmd: directhexsmite (.*?) is ($1): <action> rectally inserts a nice (ATI|nVidia|S3) AGP card into $1. |
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| 00:41.25 | strubbel | caphuso: can you help me with it? |
| 00:41.58 | jnc | simonrvn: it's a color classic that has swapped into it the logic board from an lc575 |
| 00:42.02 | cafuego | Zap-W: They'll like a nice 100MHz mobo. |
| 00:42.03 | irpf | i was disconnected, someone aswer me before¿¿ |
| 00:42.05 | jnc | with an upgraded 68040 |
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| 00:42.38 | caphuso | strubbel: 1) read the top of /etc/modules.conf, then add a line with "alias tap0 whateverthecorrespondingmodulenameis" to /etc/modutils/aliases |
| 00:42.42 | notrewt | cafuego: I've only ever installed alsa from source before. can you point me to any docs that could help me get my cmipci card working in 2.6? |
| 00:42.55 | caphuso | strubbel: oh, and that assumes that you're using a 2.4 kernel |
| 00:42.56 | cafuego | notrewt: modconf |
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| 00:43.12 | strubbel | caphuso: thanks, got it allready :) |
| 00:43.17 | laelinvars | caphuso: What dyndns.org does? could it resolv my problem? |
| 00:43.39 | directhex | !directhexsmite cafuego |
| 00:43.46 | ace2001ac_ | is there a debian sparc channel? |
| 00:44.05 | cafuego | directhex: /m dpkg literal cmd: directhexsmite (.*?) |
| 00:44.10 | cafuego | duh |
| 00:44.20 | NeoG | i'm trying to install an app (vlc) but when i apt-get it, it says it needs kdebase3-audiolibs which isnt installable.. now where might i find this |
| 00:44.25 | cafuego | directhex: You forgot Hurd |
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| 00:44.32 | cafuego | directhex: (and KDE) |
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| 00:44.42 | directhex | cafuego, i have no personal vendetta against HURD. |
| 00:44.52 | cafuego | directhex: That doesn't mean it's not shit. |
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| 00:45.15 | directhex | cafuego, as long as you have stallman's antique laptop, it works perfectly |
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| 00:45.21 | Trev_ | Morning.. |
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| 00:45.43 | Trev_ | The darn #samba room is anything but =) |
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| 00:46.09 | ricky_clarkson | Trev_: They're all stoned. |
| 00:46.14 | broke | I have problems with fluxbox... because it does not seem like my system use .xinitrc at all |
| 00:46.15 | Trev_ | rofl.. |
| 00:46.23 | cafuego | !directhexsmite directhex |
| 00:46.30 | gravity | broke: Try using .xsession instead of .xinitrc |
| 00:46.33 | cafuego | directhex: Looks like you typoed. |
| 00:47.08 | broke | gravity: I dont have .xsession either, but I can try to put it in $HOME |
| 00:47.14 | directhex | bah |
| 00:47.15 | irpf | how to configure grub for serial terminal support: It's necessary recompile it for preset menu support?? thanks in advance. |
| 00:47.23 | gravity | broke: Just mv .xinitrc .xsession |
| 00:47.30 | cafuego | Ok, maybe I did ;-) |
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| 00:48.00 | directhex | ndiswraper. worthy entry |
| 00:48.06 | cafuego | directhex: ;-) |
| 00:48.11 | directhex | so is LIRC, actually. that's the stuff of fucking nightmares |
| 00:48.19 | deucehaus | can someone recommend a decent, inexpensive printer that works with linux? |
| 00:48.26 | Trev_ | Looking to setup a decent web forum... phpbb2 the way to go ? or is that a bit out dated.. limited ect... ? |
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| 00:48.31 | |rufius| | deucehaus: inkjet or laser? |
| 00:48.33 | directhex | deucehaus, linuxprinting.org i think |
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| 00:48.42 | jnc | is archive.debian.org down? |
| 00:48.44 | cafuego | deucehaus: 2nd hand Epson 740 |
| 00:48.47 | |rufius| | deucehaus: laser: Samsung ML-1710 |
| 00:48.49 | jvw | jnc: yes |
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| 00:48.59 | jvw | jnc: try ftp.de.debian.org/debian-archive iirc |
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| 00:49.03 | jnc | jvw: are there ... mirrors |
| 00:49.05 | jnc | thanks |
| 00:49.08 | deucehaus | i'll check the website... thanks all |
| 00:49.12 | [sLiM] | hi has anyone gotten kde 3.4 installed on debian yet? |
| 00:49.16 | Lo_Meinix | can someone point me to documentation that explains how to compile drivers when using a kernel-image? |
| 00:49.26 | cafuego | [sLiM]: Are there packages in Sid? |
| 00:49.30 | caphuso | ftp.de.d.o is down too |
| 00:49.37 | notrewt | cafuego: modconf --load-only snd-cmipci returns module not found. I'm confused as to what i did wrong. |
| 00:49.49 | [sLiM] | Lo_Meinix, trying to install nvidia? |
| 00:49.51 | jvw | caphuso: bummer |
| 00:50.04 | jvw | jnc: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
| 00:50.04 | Lo_Meinix | [sLiM]: no, trying to get sound fucking working for the third day |
| 00:50.18 | [sLiM] | try alsaconf in root |
| 00:50.26 | [sLiM] | cafuego, what do you mean?> |
| 00:50.39 | directhex | Lo_Meinix, what's wrong with the alsa drivers built into the 2.6 kernel-image ? |
| 00:51.01 | Lo_Meinix | [sLiM]: I have...I've tried everything...well not everything......which is why I need to figure out how to compile drivers when using a kernel-image |
| 00:51.11 | mwilson | You know, I'll never understand why people bother with ALSA, given how hard it apparently is to get it working and keep it working. |
| 00:51.17 | Lo_Meinix | directhex: I'm not using 2.6?? |
| 00:51.20 | cafuego | [sLiM]: if you're suggesting someone installed KDE from unofficial debs, if they did, they're idiots. KDE invariably breaks. |
| 00:51.24 | directhex | mwilson, it's fine for me. |
| 00:51.38 | directhex | Lo_Meinix, 2.4? apt-get install module-assistant. |
| 00:51.47 | notrewt | mwilson: Alsa is a pain in the ass, though i guess it depends on your card. |
| 00:51.52 | mwilson | Put crappy SB Live in, build kernel drver, modprobe emu10k1, done. |
| 00:51.59 | Lo_Meinix | Documentation....I need documentation |
| 00:52.11 | mwilson | Whyinhell would I want to go through all the ALSA gyrations that seem to be required? |
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| 00:52.20 | cafuego | mwilson: it's easy as anything to get working, provided one doesn't have marginal hardware. |
| 00:52.48 | mwilson | cafuego: I guess I don't see any advantage to it. |
| 00:52.56 | directhex | mwilson, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf && reboot. that's about all you really need. |
| 00:52.59 | jnc | jvw: who is my hero? |
| 00:53.01 | jnc | you are my hero. |
| 00:53.17 | directhex | mwilson, support for 5.1, duplex on non-hardware-buffer hardware sans a sound server, as a couple fo example |
| 00:53.17 | directhex | s |
| 00:53.23 | mwilson | directhex: Which would do me no good as I'm certainly not about to use a Debian kernel. |
| 00:53.26 | Lo_Meinix | directhex: Lets not forget alsa-source so you can compile the drivers it's going to leave out that you'll probably need. |
| 00:53.36 | notrewt | directhex: you need to reboot to get alsa to work now? |
| 00:53.49 | directhex | Lo_Meinix, for YOu maybe. 2.6 debian images have full alsa drivers in there |
| 00:54.00 | directhex | notrewt, easier than unloadingh the oss modules by hand for most people |
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| 00:54.43 | cafuego | AAAARRGGHH!!! |
| 00:54.47 | cafuego | SPEAKING BANNER AD!!!! |
| 00:55.05 | directhex | cafuego, that's what you get for installing Flash |
| 00:55.05 | Lo_Meinix | directhex: thats great for 2.6 kernels....some of us aren't using 2.6....besides last time I upgraded to 2.6 it was like pulling teeth and still it wasn't the answerall so many people make it out to be. |
| 00:55.15 | cafuego | directhex: !%^#$* windows |
| 00:55.15 | mwilson | directhex: Can't say as I care about 5.1 sound support, either. |
| 00:55.48 | mwilson | directhex: I didn't even realize this Live was a 5.1 card until the OSS driver told me. |
| 00:55.57 | directhex | mwilson, whether you care or not is immaterial. it's an advantage for alsa. whether you want it or not, it's worth acknowledging |
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| 00:57.07 | Lo_Meinix | cafuego: you seem most knowledgable around these parts......is there any documentation out there that shows you how to compile drivers when using a kernel-image? |
| 00:57.07 | mwilson | directhex: Some idiot told me once that I was holding up progress by using OSS instead of ALSA. |
| 00:57.24 | mwilson | directhex: Like it matters to anyone but me what I use. |
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| 00:57.51 | directhex | mwilson, it means you're not using reportbug on the actively developed stuff, but without a doubt the best you can do for linux sound is oss on emu10k |
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| 00:58.15 | directhex | mwilson, it's a shame about creative's unrelibale kit, utterly abominable windows drfivers, and dodgy business practices |
| 00:58.23 | notrewt | oss on my home pc is a tad fobar. seems to only know two volume settings. off, and max. |
| 00:58.28 | strubbel | caphuso: i got another problem...its called "modprobe: Can't locate module tty-ldisc-1". can you help me? |
| 00:58.38 | caphuso | strubbel: no idea about that one |
| 00:58.43 | NeoG | cant beat KXProject for fnctionality on an emu10k/sblive :P |
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| 00:58.51 | strubbel | caphuso: shit |
| 00:59.00 | mwilson | Whatever KXProject is supposed to be. |
| 00:59.09 | directhex | NeoG, horrible ui, random bugs, but at least they can be installed without the orignial bundled cd |
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| 00:59.26 | directhex | mwilson, a 3rd perty free emu10k driver for windows, to replace the awful creative ones |
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| 00:59.37 | dur | what is the apt-get for gaim ? |
| 00:59.45 | directhex | dur, gaim. |
| 00:59.53 | directhex | dur, i.e. apt-get install gaim |
| 01:00.15 | dur | I think I tried that, let me see..... |
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| 01:00.24 | mwilson | Oh, I never had any problem with the Creative ones, although I stopped bothering with anything other than a C-Media card on Windows a long time ago. |
| 01:00.51 | pingouin | dur: use bitlbee, and you'll be able to reach aim, msn, yahoo fucking messengers from your usual irc client |
| 01:00.56 | directhex | dur, if it doesn't work, paste /etc/apt/sources.list into #flood |
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| 01:01.18 | mwilson | I'd still be using the C-Media card on Linux, 'cept its driver doesn't support multiple voices even though the card does. |
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| 01:01.30 | NeoG | otay.. i cant install kdebase3-audiolibs for some reason, is this only available on sid or something |
| 01:01.37 | dur | I got: couldn't find package gaim |
| 01:01.41 | nvz | ~~ |
| 01:01.49 | directhex | mwilson, it would if you used alsa |
| 01:01.58 | directhex | mwilson, no wait, there are no advantages to using alsa... |
| 01:02.20 | r4v3n | dur > try apt-cache showpkg gaim* |
| 01:02.32 | dur | ok |
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| 01:03.03 | mwilson | directhex: Please point to a quote where I said there were no advantages to using ALSA. I said *I* didn't understand why people bothered with it. I didn't say there weren't advantages... that seems to imply I don't know what advantages it has. |
| 01:03.32 | directhex | <mwilson> cafuego: I guess I don't see any advantage to it. |
| 01:03.36 | mwilson | directhex: I *did* dismiss the couple of points you brought up as not important *to me*, but hardly to the general populace. |
| 01:04.12 | mwilson | Funny, I seem to be seeing the first person in that comment... you don't? |
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| 01:04.47 | nvz | the thing is if your card is supported by OSS and ever linux app from the past decade looks to oss devices anyhow, it just makes sense to use OSS rather than change your whole system for no reason |
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| 01:05.40 | mwilson | nvz: All I had to do was swap cards, it was no big deal. |
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| 01:06.01 | mwilson | Gods know I have enough SB Live lying around here. |
| 01:06.18 | qubit | I'm considering getting an emachines laptop -- perhaps the M5405 or the 64bit M6810. Does anyone have experience with emachines or the 64bit Athlon? |
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| 01:06.39 | mwilson | Other than to not buy anything that says emachines on it, no. |
| 01:06.45 | directhex | mwilson, i'm ending this troll-off before it escalates. the facts as they stand are that, relevant to you, alsa can play multiple streams from apps which are alsa 0.9+ capable or use oss without mmpa & function with the aoss library. |
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| 01:06.48 | NeoG | i have an ath64, but i dont run anything 64 on it yet |
| 01:06.50 | mwilson | Poorly-made plastic crap. |
| 01:06.54 | directhex | qubit, i wouldn't buy emachines, but amd64 si fine |
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| 01:06.58 | TNKS | hello, I'm new to using WEP with Debian. |
| 01:07.03 | dur | r4v3n:command not found |
| 01:07.04 | directhex | *mmap |
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| 01:07.09 | MattF | meh |
| 01:07.22 | abrotman | dur: apt-cache show gaim |
| 01:07.24 | mwilson | directhex: Here you go again... *I* must be trolling because *you* can't be bothered to pay attention to what someone is actually saying. |
| 01:07.40 | TNKS | I'm okay with using iwconfig to set my WEP, but is there a convenient mechanism for dealing with managing multiple keys as I move from network to network with my laptop? |
| 01:07.42 | r4v3n | dur > apt-cache showPKG gaim (asterisk) |
| 01:07.45 | notrewt | what a pointless conversation. |
| 01:08.02 | directhex | mwilson, we'ew both being deliberately abrasive. i'm ending the topic now. |
| 01:08.04 | notrewt | brb. rebooting this heap of shit. it's starting to smell funny. |
| 01:08.05 | r4v3n | dur > no space between 'gaim' & * |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | dur: ignore what r4v3n is saying .. it's apt-cache show gaim |
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| 01:08.28 | qubit | directhex: emachines are just bad quality? |
| 01:08.29 | zulkifar | Hi. Can exim4 be used for fetching mail from 'smarthost' without fetchmail? |
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| 01:08.33 | directhex | qubit, yes. |
| 01:08.37 | caphuso | zulkifar: no |
| 01:08.38 | mwilson | notrewt: I'm used to it... anyone who doesn't slavishly follow his line is always trolling. |
| 01:08.41 | directhex | qubit, i've worked at a store selling them before. |
| 01:08.55 | caphuso | zulkifar: exim has nothing to do with pop3 |
| 01:08.56 | greg_work | anyone know a debian package that provides tiff2ps, and ps2pdf (or tiff2pdf, if such a beast exists) ? |
| 01:08.57 | qubit | directhex: ah -- okay |
| 01:09.04 | mwilson | qubit: They work until they break, usually horribly, and then you crumple them up and throw them away. |
| 01:09.08 | caphuso | greg_work: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:09.34 | zulkifar | caphuso: thank you |
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| 01:09.57 | dur | same message, I using Sarge with 2.4 kernel |
| 01:10.13 | greg_work | caphuso: no help :p |
| 01:10.15 | caphuso | zulkifar: plus, the smarthost is the box you *send* the mail to, not where you get it from |
| 01:10.16 | qubit | directhex: what would you buy for a laptop? I'd like something to run debian, around $1000, decently portable. |
| 01:10.16 | directhex | dur, as i said, paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
| 01:10.28 | directhex | qubit, i've not looked at laptops in that price range |
| 01:10.44 | directhex | qubit, i'm not going to offer bad advice i can't back up on this. |
| 01:10.48 | NeoG | does dpkg actually take input from people on stuff it doesnt know? |
| 01:10.58 | caphuso | greg_work: nonsense |
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| 01:11.15 | directhex | NeoG, yes. |
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| 01:11.33 | qubit | directhex: how much would you spend on a laptop? |
| 01:11.43 | dur | ok |
| 01:11.44 | rellik | I'm reading the bash manpage, and playing around a little... how come this doesn't work: <start code> ((; echo "$DISPLAY"; )) <end code> ? it gives the error: : syntax error in expression (error token is ":0.0 <newline> ") |
| 01:12.03 | nvz | I'd spend whatever it would take to get rid of it |
| 01:12.04 | directhex | qubit, i'm looking at a nice £2000 sony vaio... |
| 01:12.13 | nvz | laptops are a PITA |
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| 01:12.36 | directhex | 850g with battery fitted, ought to be portable |
| 01:12.38 | sussudio | nvz: they go well with melted cheese? |
| 01:12.41 | directhex | shame i can't afford... |
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| 01:12.50 | quittt | I am having a strange problem with XMMS |
| 01:13.13 | qubit | nvz: it's great, I have like 4 half-working laptops. |
| 01:13.15 | nvz | sussudio: heh. *shrug* somehow, I never thought about it that way |
| 01:13.17 | quittt | some files are listed to have 25621:10 minutes or -1025:10 |
| 01:13.20 | quittt | what hell? |
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| 01:13.38 | BBearr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.38 | NeoG | this hell |
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| 01:14.07 | qubit | nvz: my latest plan is to take a down-and-out clamshell iBook that has a cracked case, no battery, and shot wireless and put it into an Apple ][e case.... |
| 01:14.14 | jim | what's the best way to install either jre or jdk of 1.3 or 1.4? |
| 01:14.19 | directhex | quittt, a problem with badly indexed mp3 files and the default mp3 plugin |
| 01:14.21 | caphuso | rellik: /msg dpkg abs |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | !tell him again java install |
| 01:14.28 | nvz | qubit: heh |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | wtf was that |
| 01:14.37 | nvz | qubit: whatever pulls your wagon |
| 01:14.38 | mwilson | qubit: That might be fun, but it won't run much, will it? |
| 01:14.40 | abrotman | !tell him again java |
| 01:14.41 | directhex | jim, install java-package from unstable, use it to create a .deb from a java.sun.com .bin package |
| 01:14.44 | abrotman | !tell jim again java |
| 01:14.49 | mwilson | qubit: It'll be awfully slow. |
| 01:14.56 | quittt | directhex, it didnt happen before |
| 01:14.58 | abrotman | wtf is dpkg going on about? |
| 01:15.01 | abrotman | !tell me about java |
| 01:15.09 | abrotman | !tell jim again java |
| 01:15.14 | jim | directhex: can I do that from a fairly stale sarge install? |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | !tell jim about java |
| 01:15.16 | abrotman | there we go |
| 01:15.23 | qubit | mwilson: well, the clamshell iBook can run firefox and email, and I was going to give it to my frat to use as an email kiosk |
| 01:15.38 | directhex | jim, yes. either grab the debs manually, or ask dpkg about simple sarge/sid mix |
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| 01:15.53 | qubit | mwilson: (there's currently an older mac serving this purpose).... |
| 01:16.11 | strubbel | caphuso: tty-ldisc-1 is slip. google helped :) |
| 01:16.11 | ricky_clarkson | <abrotman> girls do wierd stuff when they're drunk |
| 01:16.11 | ricky_clarkson | <abrotman> at least .. every girl i've slept with does |
| 01:16.19 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i know |
| 01:16.22 | gravity | ? |
| 01:16.36 | BBearr | How do I pause the screen display when I cat a log file? |
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| 01:16.38 | zignig | gravity: you suck ! |
| 01:16.38 | jim | -sheesh-! I got it! (not you directhex; thank you for the direct, simple, quick answer)... others PLEASE stop telling the bot to msg me! |
| 01:16.49 | caphuso | BBearr: use less instead of cat |
| 01:16.52 | smace | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.58 | smace | disable -> avoid |
| 01:17.00 | BBearr | Okay, thanks |
| 01:17.00 | gravity | zignig: Hiya |
| 01:17.09 | zignig | gravity: :) |
| 01:17.10 | directhex | jim, or was it simple sid/sarge mix. i have a bad memory |
| 01:17.11 | abrotman | jim: what dpkg is telling you is the short instructions for using java-package |
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| 01:17.15 | mwilson | qubit: Why not just use the clamshell iBook for this purpose? |
| 01:17.28 | caphuso | smace: rm /etc/rc2.d/S*mysql |
| 01:17.39 | loswillios | after todays apt-get upgrade something with my nfs-mount is wrong. I can't mount nfs-shares, i am always told "mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
| 01:17.45 | jim | abrotman: sorry; reacting to the 7+ attempts |
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| 01:18.01 | qubit | I'd almost consider getting a new iBook to run linux, but I'd be concerned about hardware support. (and I've seen people go through iBook powercords like they were made out of paper) |
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| 01:18.46 | qubit | mwilson: oh, I was considering that -- but (1) it would be more fun and (2) if I could get everything inside the Apple ][e case then it would be armored.. ;-) |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | jim: yeah .. i was kludging the attempts :) |
| 01:19.18 | qubit | mwilson: you know... just in case someone threw a ball across the room or something |
| 01:19.23 | lu_ | if your using a debian package kernel source do you have to do anything special to mkinitrd.conf to get a initrd when using the command kpkg |
| 01:19.34 | smace | caphuso: how do I just disable it? |
| 01:19.38 | smace | rm will delete it. |
| 01:19.39 | loswillios | shfsmount works fine but nfs not :/ can somebody please help me? it does always say "mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
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| 01:20.06 | caphuso | smace: rm /etc/rc2.d/S*mysql |
| 01:20.09 | qubit | mwilson: where's the best place to determine if the new iBook hardware is supported by linux? |
| 01:20.16 | qubit | yellowdog maybe? |
| 01:20.17 | abrotman | qubit: #debianppc |
| 01:20.23 | smace | caphuso: ok |
| 01:20.32 | jim | -suggestion-... tell askees to /msg dpkg <key> |
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| 01:20.35 | qubit | abrotman: ahh.. nice ;-) |
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| 01:20.56 | caphuso | !message the bots for helpers |
| 01:21.32 | mwilson | qubit: Well, you can always get one of the aftermarket power bricks for the ibook. |
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| 01:21.40 | caphuso | urgh, when did that factoid break? |
| 01:21.45 | qubit | mwilson: yeahh...true |
| 01:22.04 | mwilson | qubit: I'd just run YDL on one, if I were going to run Linux on it. I run OS X on mine. |
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| 01:22.21 | lu_ | pls_help a noob, if your using a debian package kernel source do you have to do anything special to mkinitrd.conf to get a initrd when using the command kpkg |
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| 01:22.49 | abrotman | dont' use initrd ? |
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| 01:23.38 | cg0def | does anybody know why gtk+ 2.6 is not in apt? |
| 01:23.47 | lu_ | hmm, well i don't know how to set up grub w/o one, everytime i tried to not use it. kernel panic |
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| 01:23.54 | lu_ | or no x |
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| 01:24.09 | lu_ | so i assumed it was because there was no initrd |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | cg0def: it's not released yet? |
| 01:24.22 | Newport | 30.000.000 = how many MB? |
| 01:24.24 | cg0def | yes it is |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | oh . it is |
| 01:24.34 | cg0def | it's been released for about a month now |
| 01:24.41 | abrotman | cg0def: isn't it being used for 2.9/10 ? |
| 01:24.48 | mwilson | cg0def: Does it need to be there for some reason? |
| 01:24.49 | cg0def | I am not sure |
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| 01:25.14 | cg0def | I was wondering if there is any problem with gtk+ 2.6.* and gnome 2.8.* |
| 01:25.18 | jim | lu_: grub by itself takes some experimentation and exploration to understand... well, it did for me |
| 01:25.22 | caphuso | Newport: 30 or 28.6, depending on who you ask |
| 01:25.26 | directhex | cg0def, because it wouldn't be useful for sarge release if sid had a completelkty different gtk version |
| 01:25.27 | mwilson | cg0def: Why? |
| 01:25.36 | Newport | thanks! |
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| 01:25.43 | abrotman | cg0def: you sohld ask #gnome |
| 01:25.46 | directhex | cg0def, same reasons sid still has xfree not xorg |
| 01:25.46 | mwilson | cg0def: Gnome 2.8 doesn't use it. |
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| 01:26.17 | cg0def | yeah but I thought that maybe the unstable branch would have the new version of gtk+ |
| 01:26.23 | nvz | caphuso: if you ask me, I say 30 unknown units = roughly unknown MB |
| 01:26.25 | BBearr | I looked at the X log, one warning "Radeon: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found". Error is "Fatal server error: no screens found". Any suggestions? |
| 01:26.36 | cg0def | also gtk+ is just a lib and the X server is quite different |
| 01:26.38 | mwilson | cg0def: Why? It's not needed. |
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| 01:26.58 | baronsamedi | any ideas why i'm getting an "out of space" error while compiling a kernel? According to df there should be more than enough space (even / is 47% full) |
| 01:27.04 | [sLiM] | hi can someone tell me of a repository to get kde 3.4 |
| 01:27.13 | abrotman | #kde |
| 01:27.29 | baronsamedi | Using make-kpkg and the build's failing when it tries to make the debian packages |
| 01:27.31 | mwilson | Wouldn't KDE 3.4 have to exist, first? |
| 01:27.32 | caphuso | kde 3.4 doesn't even exist |
| 01:27.37 | [sLiM] | beta 1 |
| 01:27.38 | cg0def | exactly |
| 01:27.39 | directhex | betas exist. |
| 01:27.41 | directhex | messy messy betas |
| 01:28.11 | cg0def | if you want a beta of kde you have to use the *official* installer |
| 01:28.18 | mwilson | Even a KDE release is messy. |
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| 01:28.20 | cg0def | supposedly kde has released one |
| 01:28.20 | jim | packages.debian.org slooooo |
| 01:28.33 | caphuso | jim: /topic |
| 01:28.35 | deadcat | jim: /topic |
| 01:28.43 | mwilson | Yah, they have this Konstruct thing. |
| 01:28.44 | nostalg1c | might be a bit offtopic, but does anyone know a console tool that will let me permanently change the video framerate of an xvid file? |
| 01:28.54 | Eagle101 | Grunt: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:28.54 | Eagle101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.54 | Eagle101 | E: Broken packages |
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| 01:29.08 | mwilson | nostalg1c: transcode |
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| 01:29.31 | jim | ok, good enough... I'll pull java-package from local mirror |
| 01:30.04 | nostalg1c | mwilson, what package would that be? |
| 01:30.42 | directhex | nostalg1c, transcode. not in debian. /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 01:30.51 | nostalg1c | thanks |
| 01:31.11 | epsas | is there a public 64bit debian apt repository ? |
| 01:31.18 | jim | java-package is native? |
| 01:31.20 | epsas | i am using FC3 64bit, and redhat sux0rs |
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| 01:31.40 | abrotman | jim: native for what? |
| 01:31.47 | abrotman | epsas: which 64bit? |
| 01:31.48 | cg0def | when gnome 2.10 comes out in a month or 2 would it be included in the unstable or it's going to be delayed until sarge is released as stable? |
| 01:31.48 | directhex | epsas, yes, but it's down for the weekend |
| 01:31.51 | jim | native debian package |
| 01:31.58 | abrotman | jim: yes .. it's only in sid |
| 01:32.01 | directhex | abrotman, is it really worth asking? |
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| 01:32.06 | abrotman | directhex: well . ia64? |
| 01:32.07 | baronsamedi | epsas, isn't FC3 essentially RH anyway? |
| 01:32.07 | epsas | directhex - GULHUGLGUGUUGGUH! |
| 01:32.23 | epsas | baronsamedi - and redhat sux0rs |
| 01:32.27 | directhex | abrotman, how many home users have ia64? |
| 01:32.29 | abrotman | directhex: and there is some freaky amd64 mirror |
| 01:32.34 | baronsamedi | epsas, ahh |
| 01:32.38 | abrotman | directhex: you never know .. that's why i was asking :) |
| 01:32.40 | directhex | abrotman, who many people who say 'sux0rs' have amd64? |
| 01:32.46 | directhex | *ia64 |
| 01:32.48 | directhex | bah |
| 01:32.49 | baronsamedi | directhex, my housemate for one |
| 01:32.50 | mwilson | Probably not enough to matter. |
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| 01:33.25 | jim | cg0def: probably the schedule of getting it into sid won't depend on having it in sarge... on the other hand people being busy working on one or the other might affect that schedule |
| 01:33.31 | jazzmanss | I don't say sux0rs, cause that's stupid, but I do have an amd64 running 64 bit sid on my network. |
| 01:33.41 | epsas | i say sux0rs, cuz it r0x0rs. |
| 01:33.42 | abrotman | !prize jazzmanss |
| 01:33.45 | epsas | but, that is beside the point |
| 01:33.48 | directhex | my work machine runs amd64 sid. |
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| 01:33.59 | jazzmanss | I'm certainly hoping amd64 will become an official port soon. |
| 01:34.06 | epsas | jazzmanas - did you bootstrap it? or did you use a distro? |
| 01:34.09 | abrotman | jazzmanss: you don't read much do you? :) |
| 01:34.13 | cg0def | jim: I see |
| 01:34.42 | jazzmanss | not the last thirty minutes here, no I haven't. been afk doing things. abrotman. :P |
| 01:34.57 | directhex | epsas, amd64 debian is becoming official after Sarge releases. until then, it's on alioth, which is down for the weekend |
| 01:35.05 | abrotman | jazzmanss: i mean in general |
| 01:35.30 | Eagle101 | help. anyone know how i can see the packages version using apt-cache |
| 01:35.35 | jazzmanss | in general, yeah I read much actually. |
| 01:35.54 | jim | Eagle101: dpkg -s <packagename> |
| 01:35.57 | epsas | Thanks abrotman |
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| 01:36.08 | Eagle101 | thanks jim |
| 01:36.10 | jazzmanss | epsas, I did a debootstrap, had problems then installed 64 bit from scratch from a boot cd. I'm using the alioth source. |
| 01:36.15 | directhex | Eagle101, apt-cache show foo. or apt-cache policy foo. |
| 01:36.34 | ricky_clarkson | It's life, jim, but not as we know it. |
| 01:36.51 | directhex | not as we know it, not as we know it |
| 01:37.05 | jim | but that will give you lots more than the version... if you really only want the version, dpkg -s <packagename> | grep "^Vers" |
| 01:37.06 | epsas | jazzmanss - thanks |
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| 01:38.42 | nvz | this kid keeps singing Janie's Got A Gun.. heh |
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| 01:38.58 | per02 | is there a way to reload/refresh the mouse on linux? |
| 01:39.13 | ricky_clarkson | per02: What does that mean? |
| 01:39.14 | jim | what do you mean? |
| 01:39.25 | saerdna | how do i linux use /usr/local/bin/libtool instead of /usr/bin/libtool ? |
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| 01:39.27 | per02 | i've got a kvm and everytime i switch to windows box, the mouse on X dies |
| 01:39.48 | jim | saerdna: /usr/local/bin/libtool <arguments> |
| 01:39.56 | saerdna | jim: well |
| 01:40.00 | saerdna | i want the system to use it |
| 01:40.01 | saerdna | not me |
| 01:40.01 | per02 | on kernel 2.4.27 all i needed to do was quit X and start over |
| 01:40.04 | jim | yes, it is well :) |
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| 01:40.21 | per02 | i just switched to kernel 2.6.10 and if i switch over and come back the mouse dies for good |
| 01:40.35 | Lo_Meinix | well |
| 01:40.44 | saerdna | maybe you forgott something in the kernel config |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | per02: try loading the module again? |
| 01:40.47 | Lo_Meinix | I don't know what the hell was wrong with ALSa but OSS seems to be working. |
| 01:41.00 | per02 | hmmm |
| 01:41.06 | jim | saerdna: tell "the system" to use that |
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| 01:41.20 | saerdna | jim: how? in bashrc or something? |
| 01:41.25 | saerdna | i want to add it to the "path" |
| 01:41.28 | per02 | no mouse on lsmod though |
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| 01:41.38 | jim | I don't know... who calls libtool? |
| 01:41.38 | BBearr | Does anyone know how I can get X to hook up to my ATI Radeon 9200? |
| 01:41.42 | per02 | maybe evdev? |
| 01:41.45 | saerdna | jim: make install etc |
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| 01:42.08 | jim | I guess you could edit the makefile |
| 01:42.08 | directhex | BBearr, sid/sarge/woody ? |
| 01:42.13 | baronsamedi | fs :/ just got the "No space left on device error" again, and was checking df during the build, _no_ drives were past 50% full |
| 01:42.15 | BBearr | woody |
| 01:42.30 | jim | don't they use $(libtool) when they want to run that? |
| 01:42.35 | directhex | BBearr, use vesa, and ask yourself why you expect 2004 hardware to work on a 2002 distro |
| 01:42.37 | cafuego | baronsamedi: Check inodes |
| 01:42.39 | jim | if not, you put that |
| 01:42.41 | cafuego | baronsamedi: (df -i) |
| 01:42.51 | jim | and then define libtool somewhere in the makefile |
| 01:43.01 | baronsamedi | cafuego, same again, nothing past 11% |
| 01:43.09 | cafuego | baronsamedi: /tmp ? |
| 01:43.17 | baronsamedi | cafuego, 1% |
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| 01:43.21 | cafuego | baronsamedi: fsck |
| 01:43.23 | BBearr | How do I use vesa? |
| 01:43.26 | jim | if so, then that's already put, so just define libtool somewhere in the makefile |
| 01:43.45 | baronsamedi | cafuego, no problems there, this is a clean install |
| 01:43.49 | jim | BBearr: whip out your card and your id and say CHARGE IT! |
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| 01:43.56 | baronsamedi | think i'll build the package on this destop, copy it over after |
| 01:44.05 | ricky_clarkson | jim: That'd be VISA. |
| 01:44.06 | directhex | BBearr, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, pick vesa as the driver |
| 01:44.09 | Lumien | Does anyone know of a FAQ I could read on installing gnome 2.8 on Woody? (I just installed Woody and am new to debian) |
| 01:44.15 | jim | oh, visa? |
| 01:44.20 | jim | not vesa? |
| 01:44.24 | ricky_clarkson | !vesa |
| 01:44.25 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. |
| 01:44.28 | jim | hmmm... |
| 01:44.29 | BBearr | Okay, I'll give that a go. Thanks |
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| 01:44.41 | jim | that's different... |
| 01:44.42 | directhex | Lumien, what the FUCK? you wouldn't even THINK of installing something that big and post-2002 on woody |
| 01:44.44 | jim | never mind! |
| 01:44.44 | baronsamedi | Lumien, don't know of any FAQ's, but i'd consider if you really needed it, 2.6 works just fine |
| 01:44.50 | ricky_clarkson | jim: VISA is a card that you can 'whip out'. VESA, um, isn't. |
| 01:44.51 | mwilson | grrr, stupid gtk 1.x code |
| 01:44.55 | directhex | Lumien, if you want a desktop, use sarge for fuck's sake |
| 01:45.01 | abrotman | holy crap .. guess what |
| 01:45.04 | EmeraldCat | hello, does anyone know of still active FTPMail servers? |
| 01:45.09 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: No. |
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| 01:45.13 | abrotman | i found out there's a Drury Lane in philadelphia |
| 01:45.17 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 01:45.17 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 01:45.22 | ricky_clarkson | OMFcrazyG |
| 01:45.24 | Lumien | whats up with cussin me out, i just asked a simple question. |
| 01:45.38 | ricky_clarkson | Lumien: Nobody 'cussed' you. |
| 01:45.51 | baronsamedi | Lumien, I don't think he is, you'll run into a whole world of pain getting 2.8 running on woody though |
| 01:45.56 | ricky_clarkson | Lumien: woody is super-old stuff, it's for your grandma. Use sarge. |
| 01:46.04 | dur | directhex: its updating now via the new sites you gave me thanks it looks like its going to work now... |
| 01:46.19 | directhex | dur, i'm here to help. |
| 01:46.19 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you many not care .. but someone will! |
| 01:46.20 | fx-br | Does anyone using LVM here? |
| 01:46.21 | directhex | and cuss Lumien |
| 01:46.31 | sussudio | !irritate fx-br |
| 01:46.32 | dpkg | fx-br: HELP ME!!! who uses kde lol |
| 01:46.33 | ricky_clarkson | !cuss Lumien |
| 01:46.36 | ricky_clarkson | Damn. |
| 01:46.55 | jim | !cuspid Lumien |
| 01:47.01 | sussudio | !bear Lumien |
| 01:47.06 | fx-br | sussudio: ?? |
| 01:47.33 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: directhex did :) |
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| 01:47.45 | jim | !barbie |
| 01:47.46 | dpkg | Reading the manual is HARD! |
| 01:47.46 | abrotman | and i'm pretty sure it's impossible to run gnome2.8 on woody |
| 01:48.02 | ricky_clarkson | !be ricky_clarkson |
| 01:48.02 | dpkg | Bug fixed! |
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| 01:48.17 | jim | !start a barbie war |
| 01:48.17 | dpkg | guns are hard! |
| 01:48.24 | nvz | s/on woody// |
| 01:48.30 | Lumien | The reason I installed Woody is because i thought it was the latest stable release. so does no one use woody anymore? |
| 01:48.38 | abrotman | Lumien: for a workstation? |
| 01:48.49 | directhex | Lumien, it's useful on forward-facing servers |
| 01:48.49 | Lumien | yeah, just a workstation |
| 01:48.50 | abrotman | !tell Lumien about woody->sarge |
| 01:48.56 | directhex | Lumien, it's completely fucking stupid for a desktop |
| 01:48.59 | ricky_clarkson | Lumien: Debian stable is usually good for servers, but not for desktops. |
| 01:49.00 | jim | Lumien: wel, if you want maximum stability and don't need latest software, you can use woody |
| 01:49.02 | abrotman | Lumien: yu'd be much happier with sarge |
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| 01:49.35 | jim | sarge is probably getting close... but it can still change |
| 01:49.42 | Lumien | Well, i bought the woody cd's cause i have a slow connection, should I just purchase sarge cd's and upgrade? or just start fresh with sarge? |
| 01:49.50 | jim | if that's ok wrt your server... well then, go for it |
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| 01:49.52 | abrotman | |rufius|: you know that's the brightest thing right? |
| 01:49.58 | smace | como eu paro um servico no linux? |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | Lumien: how slow is slow ? |
| 01:50.03 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:50.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:50.05 | smace | ops |
| 01:50.07 | smace | sorry |
| 01:50.09 | |rufius| | abrotman: pardon? |
| 01:50.20 | sussudio | !start a badger war |
| 01:50.20 | dpkg | kawfees are better than kawfees |
| 01:50.22 | Lumien | 26k connection |
| 01:50.23 | abrotman | |rufius|: que? |
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| 01:50.26 | jim | Lumien: you can upgrade the woody install to sarge |
| 01:50.27 | directhex | Lumien, if you've not got any important files yet, i'd usually recommend a fresh install. |
| 01:50.31 | directhex | eek, that's actually slow |
| 01:50.32 | abrotman | Lumien: 28.8 modem? |
| 01:50.39 | |rufius| | abrotman: oh, i wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or if you were being truthful |
| 01:50.41 | Lumien | 56k modem, my phone lines suck bad |
| 01:50.42 | smace | dpkg: it was not spanish. |
| 01:50.42 | dpkg | smace: are you smoking crack? |
| 01:50.58 | abrotman | |rufius|: truthful |
| 01:50.58 | smace | i have mistmatched i have debian-br here. |
| 01:51.03 | dur | I think Sarge is great...never could get x to work with woody... |
| 01:51.06 | |rufius| | abrotman: k, :) |
| 01:51.13 | smace | dpkg: i dont know spanish. only portuguse brasil. |
| 01:51.14 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, smace |
| 01:51.18 | jim | dpkg: that's bad grammar! it's "are you A smoking crack?" |
| 01:51.19 | dpkg | jim: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:51.22 | Eagle101 | Help. I got libgcrypt11 1.2.0-6 installed and now i am trying to install the old one libgcrypt11 1.2.0-4 because an app depends on the old one...but when i try to remove the one i have, it says that it will also remove about 30 other apps...is there a way to force install the old one without having to remove the one i have..please help |
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| 01:51.37 | ricky_clarkson | smace: dpkg is not a person. dpkg is a bot. A computer program. |
| 01:51.43 | Railer | quick question, how is debian at seeing scsi drives? |
| 01:51.48 | bactis | how long does a average sarge netinstall need? |
| 01:51.53 | cafuego | Railer: it's not no eyes! |
| 01:51.56 | BBearr | directhex, switching to vesa did the trick. X can't configure my mouse, though, so I'll run back through that. |
| 01:51.58 | jim | Railer: linux kernel does that |
| 01:52.05 | |rufius| | bactis: depends on the connection speed |
| 01:52.07 | smace | ricky_clarkson: heh. nice to know. |
| 01:52.09 | nvz | Eagle101: you are mixing distros? |
| 01:52.34 | Eagle101 | nvz: umm i am running mepis.. debian based.. |
| 01:52.39 | ricky_clarkson | smace: So if you want to chat inanely with it, you might as well do it in a private message. |
| 01:52.48 | abrotman | Eagle101: then go to #mepis |
| 01:52.49 | nvz | Eagle101: /topic #mepis? |
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| 01:53.25 | bactis | i'v got 1 mbit down but my laptop is not very fast 800 mhz 128 mb ram, how long will an installation need? |
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| 01:53.49 | abrotman | bactis: depends on what you install |
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| 01:53.52 | NeoG | WTF argh.. my debian box freezes with LI_ on the screen |
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| 01:54.07 | ricky_clarkson | !li |
| 01:54.07 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 01:54.09 | jim | bactis: not long |
| 01:54.18 | ricky_clarkson | NeoG: ^^ |
| 01:54.29 | NeoG | oh ta |
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| 01:54.35 | nvz | debian installation to me is all about how fast base can make it from source to destination and the system can reboot |
| 01:54.37 | ricky_clarkson | Is there a mini-disk-Large-howto as well? |
| 01:54.38 | bactis | i only want to install genome for testing |
| 01:54.50 | cyziea | ricky_clarkson, what is drive geometry? this is so IT geek term |
| 01:55.01 | jim | in fact, I would think the net pulldowns won't be noticed too much except when it does all the package downloads |
| 01:55.16 | ricky_clarkson | cyziea: Numbers of cylinders per sector, sectors per drive, etc. Internal hardware gubbins. |
| 01:55.22 | nvz | !+info genome sarge |
| 01:55.25 | dpkg | Package 'genome' does not exist. |
| 01:55.28 | abrotman | bactis: genome or gnome ? |
| 01:55.35 | bactis | gnome :D |
| 01:55.36 | bactis | sorry |
| 01:55.37 | bactis | ;) |
| 01:55.47 | nvz | !yinzersmite bactis |
| 01:55.50 | ricky_clarkson | bactis: Pronounce gnome as "nome" and you won't make that mistake again. |
| 01:55.51 | abrotman | bactis: that's about .. 110MB i think to download |
| 01:56.06 | jim | bactis: if you are installing full operating system from scratch to begin with, you might try the sarge debian-installer |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | jim: that's what he's asking about :) |
| 01:56.29 | jim | i.e., if there is nothing on the laptop or you are replacing |
| 01:56.41 | baronsamedi | hmm :/ i'm getting the same out of space error on my desktop. I _did_ copy the source from a completely different system (and it is the gentoo development sources, I prefer 'em), but can't think of any other reasons |
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| 01:56.52 | bactis | no im installing it via vmware with windows, because im out of cd-r's |
| 01:56.56 | bactis | :) |
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| 01:57.41 | abrotman | help what? |
| 01:57.43 | sussudio | !fix p1t3r05 |
| 01:57.52 | nvz | abrotman: thats what you call self help |
| 01:57.55 | nvz | abrotman: /me help |
| 01:58.02 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:58.06 | jim | it should be /help me |
| 01:58.27 | nvz | if you can do it yourself you didnt need help in the first place |
| 01:58.55 | jim | I didn't know you could "fix" yourself in that veternary way :) |
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| 02:00.25 | jim | seriously... it's possible that someone doing /me help is having foreign language blockage problems... and therefore should be handled more carefully/sensitively |
| 02:00.38 | morbias | what is the best package for playing newer dvds? Okle, VLC and Gxine die when i try to bring the special features menu of my dvd up.. |
| 02:00.59 | sussudio | jim: no, i don't think so. especially not if they're using azureus to get in here. |
| 02:01.03 | vulture | morbias: can't say I've ever had a problem with xine and DVDs.. |
| 02:01.36 | morbias | err |
| 02:01.52 | jim | sussudio: sorry; I don't understand the ref to azureus... wazzat? |
| 02:01.59 | morbias | xine says something of encrypted data then kaputs, even. doesn't even get the title screen up |
| 02:02.13 | directhex | morbias, do you have libdvdcss2 installed? |
| 02:02.13 | abrotman | mwilson: you're wasting your time :) |
| 02:02.26 | ricky_clarkson | sussudio: It's quite safe to /ignore sussudio ALL |
| 02:02.33 | ricky_clarkson | jim: It's quite safe to /ignore sussudio ALL |
| 02:02.44 | jim | I know that :) |
| 02:02.59 | mwilson | abrotman: Not at all. |
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| 02:03.10 | morbias | errp |
| 02:03.34 | morbias | apt-get tells me it's refered to but not there. know any repositories with that package? |
| 02:03.40 | mwilson | abrotman: emelfm 2.x sucks. emelfm 0.9.2 is very usable. All I have to do correct is the idiotic way it names its windows so that I'm not confusing openbox alla time. |
| 02:03.45 | directhex | !tell morbias about marillat |
| 02:04.36 | abrotman | mwilson: gentoo ? or uhm .. xfm ? |
| 02:04.38 | jim | ricky_clarkson: but that's something of an extreme action |
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| 02:04.46 | abrotman | no .. not xfm .. what was it |
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| 02:05.23 | mwilson | You're thinking of xfe |
| 02:05.28 | abrotman | yeah .. xfe |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | no good? |
| 02:05.40 | mwilson | No, it's ok, but it's not a two-pane app |
| 02:05.53 | mwilson | I like emelfm |
| 02:05.54 | nvz | oh well I removed one yinzer smite and edited two, only one is the same. but they should all work even with plural arguments |
| 02:05.59 | morbias | thanks |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 02:06.19 | mwilson | Although I need to figure out its stupid PID leak |
| 02:06.23 | morbias | is there a way to have apt-setup use nano not vi for manualy adding sources? |
| 02:06.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:06.45 | directhex | morbias, yes, export the EDITOR environment varibale, or man update-alternatives |
| 02:07.10 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Yeah, but he ignores me too. ;) |
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| 02:08.15 | BBearr | Thanks to everyone who helped me get X configured. It's working now, just a little slow; course, I've got this console runnin' at the same time. |
| 02:08.38 | mwilson | abrotman: Yes, it's a gtk1.x app, but it does the job, so why replace it? |
| 02:08.56 | directhex | BBearr, it's slow because such is the nature of vesa. upgrade to sarge & use the ati driver |
| 02:09.09 | jim | ricky_clarkson: so I get to ignore him cause he ignores you? :) the ties that bind! |
| 02:09.15 | BBearr | And how do I upgrade to sarge? |
| 02:09.41 | directhex | !woody->sarge |
| 02:09.45 | jim | BBearr: alter your sources.list file, update, dist-upgrade... |
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| 02:10.23 | jim | then to make sure, alternate between dpkg --configure --pending and the dist-upgrade until neither errors and both do nothing' |
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| 02:10.35 | morbias | urgh. choppy dvd playback |
| 02:10.44 | morbias | anybody know any quick fixes? |
| 02:10.56 | jim | don't choppy your dvd! |
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| 02:11.02 | linux_newbie | if there is more than one wireless access point within range of my computer, how do i make sure it connects to the one i want? |
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| 02:11.14 | directhex | morbias, which player? which graphics card? which driver? |
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| 02:11.42 | jharrison | anyone know of a ipod like device that will play ogg vorbis? |
| 02:11.49 | cxInfo | what's difference debian and progeny? are they the same? |
| 02:12.01 | directhex | !nondeb progeny |
| 02:12.02 | dpkg | Go to channel #progeny for help with progeny. If progeny were Debian, it would be called Debian and not progeny. |
| 02:12.07 | morbias | directhex: gxine, and dunno, not my pc.. |
| 02:12.24 | morbias | meh, not my problem anyway |
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| 02:12.25 | morbias | afk |
| 02:12.33 | abrotman | !tell BBearr about woody->sarge |
| 02:12.34 | jim | cxInfo: progeny used to distribute linux, but they no longer do; they use debian proper and add to it |
| 02:12.37 | directhex | morbias, you want to use the xv extension rather than xshm on a slower machine, if possible |
| 02:13.09 | jim | so they're more of a compliment or addon to official debian |
| 02:13.23 | abrotman | depends how you look at it |
| 02:13.31 | directhex | i never got progeny installed |
| 02:13.46 | directhex | their anaconda was a com[plete joke. click anything other thasn next, have a segafult |
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| 02:14.14 | jim | well debian-installer should be good enough |
| 02:15.11 | jim | when they were distributing linux (their own debian-like), debian-installer was in very early stages or not even thought of yet |
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| 02:15.51 | corallis | how do I prevent apt-get from holding back updates? It appears to be holding about about 200 KDE related files... is it holding them back because I have KDE running when I try to upgrade? |
| 02:15.51 | jim | I guess they were strongly unwilling to deal with boot-floppies, and no one can blame them for that |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | dist-upgrade |
| 02:16.23 | directhex | corallis, dist-upgfrade not upgrade |
| 02:16.30 | jim | corallis: it's more about what versions of things you have now |
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| 02:16.44 | BBearr | alter my sources.list file in what way? |
| 02:16.51 | difeta | hey all! I've compile a new kernel but I am getting a panic when the kernel boots. Its says that it cannot find /dev/hda1 and to append the corrent roo= option to the bootflag. My grub conifugration is the same for this kernel as is my other two working debian kernels. Any ideas? |
| 02:17.03 | directhex | BBearr, replace 'stable' or 'woody' with 'sarge' |
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| 02:17.04 | jim | BBearr: put "sarge" where you see "stable" |
| 02:17.05 | corallis | oh, thanks guys... that does it |
| 02:17.18 | dbron | Hi all, I have squidguard downloaded and installed, but db files are not being created, is there a package that I need in Sarge for creating the db files, I think the docs day that db4 is necessary |
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| 02:17.55 | BBearr | Okay, thanks, I'll give that a go. |
| 02:18.04 | abrotman | !nap |
| 02:18.04 | dpkg | somebody said nap was a command line napster client, at http://www.gis.net/~nite , also check out http://opennap.sourceforge.net/, or is now open source finally, or you may want to try TekNap instead |
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| 02:18.24 | directhex | dpkg, nap is also a short period of sleep |
| 02:18.24 | dpkg | directhex: okay |
| 02:18.25 | jim | difeta: you either have to build the kernel package as initrd, or compile everything necessary to support mounting your hda1 into the kernel (not modules) |
| 02:18.53 | jim | with the former maybe easier |
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| 02:19.48 | dur | did anyone get this problem, when I was installing Sarge and put linux26 at the boot prompt it would install a k7 kernel on my celeron...yes I did dowloand the i386 but when I just simple hit enter at the boot prompt it installed the corret kernel. ?? |
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| 02:20.46 | difeta | jim, i've compiled the kernel with built in ext3 and ext2 support. But I'm not sure if the kernel is recognizing my ata 133 disk drive as hda. |
| 02:21.08 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:22.29 | mwilson | ok, that should be all the panels... |
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| 02:22.42 | linux_newbie | what channel should i join to learn more about wireless networking? |
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| 02:23.11 | ricky_clarkson | #wireless |
| 02:23.15 | DAC1138 | linux_newbie, i'd like to know the same thing |
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| 02:23.24 | ricky_clarkson | But beware of the trolls. |
| 02:23.36 | nvz | !win ricky_clarkson |
| 02:23.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, ricky_clarkson! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 02:23.39 | ricky_clarkson | There's also #manchesterwireless and #seattlewireless too iirc. |
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| 02:23.58 | directhex | seattle wireless are great |
| 02:24.02 | directhex | or their website is |
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| 02:24.34 | linux_newbie | thank you all |
| 02:25.13 | sussudio | -|- (Gloria_Estefan)_[02]_Conga.mp3 (7.95MB 260kbps VBR 00:04:17 Year:1992 |
| 02:25.24 | Azar | what? |
| 02:25.29 | directhex | sussudio, that's offtopic |
| 02:25.35 | supermoves | lol |
| 02:25.36 | nvz | heh |
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| 02:25.50 | nvz | directhex: how long have you been here? |
| 02:25.54 | Azar | dpkg conga |
| 02:25.54 | dpkg | Azar: i don't know |
| 02:26.00 | bazz | anyone know if the mythtv packages for debian have lirc support compiled in? |
| 02:26.01 | Azar | see? he does not know |
| 02:26.05 | sussudio | directhex: nobody seems to be paying attention to anyting. |
| 02:26.15 | nvz | directhex: are you surprised? |
| 02:26.26 | BBearr | What directory is my sources.list file in? |
| 02:26.30 | Azar | take the conga to dalnet |
| 02:26.34 | directhex | BBearr, /etc/apt/ |
| 02:26.43 | ricky_clarkson | !conga |
| 02:26.50 | BBearr | Thanks - I was looking all over the place... |
| 02:26.51 | directhex | !start a badget war |
| 02:26.57 | directhex | !start a badger war |
| 02:26.57 | dpkg | FieldySnuts are better than kawfees |
| 02:27.06 | Azar | :) |
| 02:27.18 | mwilson | bazz: Debian would first have to HAVE MythTV packages. |
| 02:27.20 | nvz | heh |
| 02:27.34 | nvz | !literal start a badger war |
| 02:27.34 | dpkg | start a badger war is <reply> (badgers|mushrooms|snakes|kawfees|FieldySnuts) (are better than|are worse than|suck compared to) (badgers|mushrooms|snakes|FieldySnuts|kawfees) |
| 02:27.47 | bazz | mwilson, okay, the ones from dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz |
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| 02:27.51 | cg0def | isn't mplayer available through apt? |
| 02:27.53 | Azar | :D |
| 02:27.58 | nvz | cg0def: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 02:28.05 | cg0def | k |
| 02:28.14 | paulsth | Hi everyone. I'm stuck on setting up an ad-hoc wireless network, can anyone try help me out, please? |
| 02:28.26 | mwilson | bazz: As soon as you download them, you will know. |
| 02:28.33 | Azar | ok I still can't use startx so I guess is kernel rebuilt time |
| 02:28.52 | bazz | mwilson: how? |
| 02:29.00 | jim | paulsth: we'll need lots and lots of info about what you have and what you want |
| 02:29.15 | ricky_clarkson | jim: But all in one line or debhelper will kick ;) |
| 02:29.45 | jim | heh :) put it all on a web page for that matter |
| 02:30.07 | FieldySnuts | i'm not sure if i'm honored i'm in the badger war factoid, or not, seeing as kawfee is there too |
| 02:30.09 | paulsth | jim, right here's my setup. 2 network cards, no wireless router etc. so i'm trying to set up an ad-hoc connection. on the wired-networked machine i've used iwconfig to set the essid,key and mode. and the laptop can see all that |
| 02:30.26 | mwilson | bazz: Because you will have read the documentation they come with. |
| 02:30.42 | bazz | mwilson: done, no reference to lirc |
| 02:30.52 | paulsth | jim, but when i use the network tool, or iwconfig on the laptop to connect to the other machine, the dhclient request times out |
| 02:31.28 | jim | hmm, maybe you're not running a dhcp server that can be seen on the wireless net? |
| 02:31.52 | paulsth | how would I check that? |
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| 02:32.26 | jim | see, I haven't done this, especially not many times... I knew right away we would need much much more info, but other than that, I'm not the guy that can get in there and deal with specifics |
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| 02:33.01 | paulsth | jim, righto. i've been struggling on this for weeks |
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| 02:34.45 | jordo23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.26 | vulture | jordo23: because you didn't make it writeable.. |
| 02:35.27 | nvz | jordo23: user- or share- access? |
| 02:36.39 | jim | paulsth: someone here will probably help you out shortly |
| 02:36.51 | paulsth | jim, cool i hope so :) |
| 02:37.16 | jordo23 | nvz: I have tried both, but it is currently set to user. |
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| 02:37.38 | nvz | jordo23: user-level access depends on the users permissions to the point |
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| 02:37.52 | nvz | jordo23: so the user you are logging in as has to have access to that directory |
| 02:37.57 | jordo23 | nvz: it's a home server....should I set it to share? |
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| 02:38.33 | nvz | jordo23: I use user-level access, and I create a group smbguest for things I want guest users to access, and when they login without a password they are smbguest |
| 02:38.49 | nvz | jordo23: and when you use a username, you have access to whatever your user has privlages to |
| 02:39.01 | jim | I made a java-package .deb :) |
| 02:39.17 | jordo23 | nvz: if I set it to share, what happens? |
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| 02:39.51 | nvz | jordo23: share-level is the traditional win9x way, where each share has specific permissions |
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| 02:40.24 | hernan | hi everyone, ive got 2 quick questions :P |
| 02:40.48 | hernan | can i run an imap server in a port other than 143? |
| 02:40.53 | jordo23 | nvz: I just want to be able to write files to the server from my xp box, what should I do? |
| 02:41.13 | jim | hernan: I believe so, yes |
| 02:41.22 | nvz | jordo23: *shrug* make sure the user you are logging in as has permisson to the share. |
| 02:41.26 | alakdan | hello, just wondering how do I enable https on apache2? I have already symlinked ssl.conf and ssl.load to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled . |
| 02:41.28 | hernan | jim: whats a good imap server easy to set up? |
| 02:41.52 | jim | I dunno :) I use courier imap, but it's for a special setup |
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| 02:41.59 | jordo23 | nvz: when you say user....do you mean the user on my xp box? I am not prompted for a user name and pass upon connection. |
| 02:42.17 | hernan | anyone know of a good imap server thats easy to set up? |
| 02:42.17 | mwilson | There. FINALLY got all the dialogs. |
| 02:42.22 | nvz | jordo23: yeah xp is stupid. I guess it uses your actual XP user name |
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| 02:42.44 | jordo23 | what happens if my xp username starts with a cap letter? |
| 02:42.44 | hernan | or maybe i should ask, whats good webmail software that wont require an imap/pop server, if any? |
| 02:43.07 | bob2 | gmail. |
| 02:43.15 | hernan | heh |
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| 02:43.25 | doub | nvz: it does so, and asks for a username/password if it fails |
| 02:43.30 | jim | and the set up wasn't so easy to get right... combining imap with spam filter and multiple folders, other stuff |
| 02:43.32 | nvz | jordo23: no idea, xp users are guests on my samba server, they can get read-only access to anything that is owned by the smbguest, and to /Shared/Upload/ |
| 02:43.45 | broke | I can not install opera... E: Package opera has no installation candidate |
| 02:43.53 | sussudio | broke: no shit, sherlock. |
| 02:44.07 | hernan | anyone know? |
| 02:44.07 | jordo23 | nvz: can I write if I set it to share? |
| 02:44.10 | Guerin | broke: you're better off that way, too |
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| 02:44.24 | debian | broke: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 02:44.26 | broke | Guerin: why ? |
| 02:44.33 | broke | haha |
| 02:44.41 | broke | but I like opera... :) |
| 02:44.43 | nvz | jordo23: if you set it to share security, then you need to put the writable option on the share. read the manpage |
| 02:44.48 | broke | but yeah, firefox is good enough |
| 02:44.51 | debian | broke: I used to use opera |
| 02:44.53 | saberworks | quick question: my /var/cache/apt/archives has a zillion *.debs in it and it filled up my /var partition - is it safe to delete them? |
| 02:44.55 | Guerin | broke: because opera has the unique distinction of being proprietary shit payware |
| 02:45.01 | Guerin | the worst kind of software there is |
| 02:45.04 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:45.08 | Guerin | or adware, yay! |
| 02:45.13 | doub | saberworks: you can use 'apt-get clean' to do this for you |
| 02:45.16 | alakdan | is there an easy way to enable https on apache2? |
| 02:45.20 | saberworks | thanks doub! |
| 02:45.21 | jim | I tried using opera... but all that loud singing hurt my ears... |
| 02:45.22 | debian | broke: but bare in mind, an adware will turn into a spyware when sales suckx |
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| 02:45.31 | doub | saberworks: or better 'apt-get autoclean' to only remove debs not installed but installable |
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| 02:45.43 | nvz | jordo23: if _I_ personally want something off winders through samba I prefer to mount a windows share and cp/mv it myself. windows is ignorant with copy proceedures |
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| 02:46.15 | saberworks | thanks again doub, that helps a lot... there goes 1.4GB of files I don't need (and didn't realize were there till a few minutes ago) |
| 02:46.29 | jordo23 | nvz: I need it the other way around. I need to pull/write files from my xp box to and from my samba server |
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| 02:47.09 | Daffy-PKF | can someone give me advices on cd-burning? i'd like to know what program and what frontend is doing the job well... |
| 02:47.32 | jim | Daffy-PKF: one thing... don't use a lighter to burn your cd |
| 02:47.32 | nvz | I just figured out I can disable the kid's account in /etc/passwd thus diabling any logins.. I got her setup through kdm which just lets her in without auth locally when she clicks on her user icon |
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| 02:47.46 | nvz | I dont even have to bother updating her passwords |
| 02:47.50 | hernan | :sign: squirrelmail is saying: Unknown error: Fatal error: Maildir: No such file or directory |
| 02:47.53 | Daffy-PKF | jim> lol |
| 02:48.42 | jim | Daffy-PKF: I still use xcdroast as front end and cdrecord, as well as 2.6 kernel and drivers |
| 02:48.50 | BBearr | I've editted my sources.list, ran apt-get update successfully. What else do I need to do to upgrade to sarge? |
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| 02:49.09 | doub | BBearr: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:49.19 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I deleted my user account's password at home. |
| 02:49.35 | ricky_clarkson | I might yet do the same for root, dunno. |
| 02:49.41 | Daffy-PKF | jim> did you ever had troubles with these? what about gcombust? |
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| 02:49.50 | jim | BBearr: repeat the following two commands until neither throw error, and both do nothing: |
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| 02:49.54 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: how do you login? |
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| 02:50.00 | jim | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 02:50.06 | jim | dpkg --configure --pending |
| 02:50.06 | dpkg | jim: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:50.10 | toothpick | Hello how do I enter the hexcode with iwconfig? |
| 02:50.13 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: gdm or by just pressing return when it prompts me. |
| 02:50.17 | ricky_clarkson | .. for a password. |
| 02:50.23 | toothpick | I have given my router a word and it generated like 6 different values. |
| 02:50.25 | toothpick | what do I do? |
| 02:50.29 | plagerism | whats the debian channel for amd64?? |
| 02:50.34 | jim | annoying noizey bot... :) |
| 02:50.35 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I deleted the password (passwd -d) not disabled the account. |
| 02:50.43 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: yeah but that would be a null password |
| 02:50.51 | ricky_clarkson | EWHATEVER |
| 02:51.02 | debian | plagerism: #debian-amd64 |
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| 02:51.13 | debian | plagerism: it currently has 64 people right now. :) |
| 02:51.15 | nvz | then anyone can login to your box through any service |
| 02:51.20 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 02:51.24 | jim | ricky_clarkson: which would allow anyone to get in without password |
| 02:51.43 | jim | well depending on how you did that |
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| 02:51.45 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Yeah, but it isn't connected to a network. |
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| 02:52.03 | jim | I usually add a char to the passwd and delete it to reactivate |
| 02:52.05 | plagerism | How long has alioth been down for?? |
| 02:52.07 | nvz | I had been updating her account with good passwords, and configured kdm to allow her to login to her dekstop without auth |
| 02:52.24 | nvz | but since it doesnt auth, I can put a ! in /etc/shadow, and disable the acocunt |
| 02:52.29 | jim | why are they down? |
| 02:52.47 | plagerism | jim: I dunno |
| 02:52.49 | ricky_clarkson | I don't know the password for the Windows XP user on the other partition on my work machine. |
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| 02:53.33 | mynullvoid | where can I get libstdc++libc6.1-1.so.2 ? |
| 02:53.35 | toothpick | Do I type wep key 1 for my wireless iwconifg? |
| 02:53.36 | ricky_clarkson | joselito: Is your nick a 'fashionable' version of 'jose'? |
| 02:53.38 | mynullvoid | I am running sid |
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| 02:53.53 | ricky_clarkson | mynullvoid: Eminem uses sid. |
| 02:54.08 | jim | sid vicious?! |
| 02:54.14 | nvz | !find libstdc++libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 02:54.15 | mynullvoid | ricky_clarkson ? |
| 02:54.17 | ricky_clarkson | !eminem |
| 02:54.18 | dpkg | eminem is probably < za> I just got back from the eminem gig at Milton Keynes... it rained... constantly.. and he sucked ass. a debian user ("try 'cid [sid] and get fucked up worse than my life is" - My Name Is) |
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| 02:54.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++libc6.1-1.so.2' returned no results. |
| 02:54.40 | doub | plagerism: seems like it will be back at midnight MST according to this http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00013.html |
| 02:54.42 | debian | !seen eminem |
| 02:54.43 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'eminem', debian |
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| 02:55.44 | mynullvoid | I am trying to install domino 6 on my debian, now I can't find linstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 02:55.50 | hernan | :sigh: how can i fix this? Unknown error: Fatal error: Maildir: No such file or directory |
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| 02:56.03 | hernan | this is squirrelmail using courier-imap |
| 02:56.27 | nvz | mynullvoid: doesnt seem to be in debian |
| 02:56.28 | doub | hernan: my bet is you need to configure Maildir support. i don't know much more about that, however |
| 02:56.31 | deadcat | hernan: you using exim? try postfix it will create it when you get mail |
| 02:56.45 | hernan | deadcat :yes, im using exim |
| 02:56.45 | mynullvoid | !find libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 02:56.58 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2' returned no results. |
| 02:57.09 | hernan | deadcat: isnt there a way to make it work with exim? |
| 02:57.13 | jim | mynullvoid: maybe the version on sid is different (NOTE! you are running the -unstable- flavor, which changes DAILY. so maybe the version you wanted was available yesterday... not today... find out what version is) |
| 02:57.17 | deadcat | why isnt postfix the default MTA? |
| 02:57.27 | deadcat | hernan: like doub said. config it |
| 02:57.27 | caphuso | deadcat: because it isn't |
| 02:57.30 | jim | because exim i |
| 02:57.31 | mwilson | deadcat: Why should it be? |
| 02:57.31 | jim | s |
| 02:57.50 | deadcat | mwilson: everyone here complains about exim |
| 02:57.54 | hernan | i'll take a look at the config files, brb |
| 02:57.56 | caphuso | deadcat: nonsense |
| 02:57.58 | mynullvoid | jim: I had tried to search it but no luck that's why I come here |
| 02:58.00 | kreg | anyone ever run a ut2004 server on debian sarge? |
| 02:58.04 | doub | deadcat: because postfix did not esist at the time exim was chosen as standard, iirc |
| 02:58.14 | caphuso | doub: it did exist, but it sucke too much |
| 02:58.15 | jim | mynullvoid: find libstdc++ |
| 02:58.21 | caphuso | s/ke/ked/ |
| 02:58.28 | deadcat | doub: ah |
| 02:58.42 | jim | search for that on google or else go to your mirror and poke around |
| 02:59.15 | mynullvoid | is packages.debian.org down? |
| 02:59.16 | doub | deadcat: it's not that hard to install postfix instead, anyway |
| 02:59.19 | jim | right now packages.debian.org is down; will be back later |
| 02:59.29 | nvz | !tell jim about search |
| 02:59.37 | caphuso | mynullvoid: are you too special to read the /topic yourself? |
| 02:59.38 | deadcat | doub: i use postfix |
| 02:59.38 | nvz | :) |
| 02:59.43 | nvz | more than one way to search |
| 02:59.48 | mwilson | Postfix was the default MTA once upon a time... back in Slink? Or was it earlier? |
| 02:59.50 | joselito | ricky_clarkson, no... joselito is a brazilian mtv personage of the "hermes e renato" program |
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| 02:59.58 | hernan | deadcat: cant find anything on the config file, mind pointing me to the right direction? |
| 02:59.58 | pingouin | is nc in debian sarge ? apt-cache doesn't give me answer or i search a wrong package name ? |
| 03:00.00 | jim | please -stop- telling the bot to message me :) tell me the key, and I'll msg the bot |
| 03:00.16 | caphuso | !msg the bot for helpers |
| 03:00.17 | dpkg | please tell people to /msg apt <factoid name> rather than use tell; then they do it once by their own choice. |
| 03:00.21 | mwilson | pingouin: netcat is indeed in sarge |
| 03:00.29 | mynullvoid | caphuso: sorry I use bitchx so I don't see the topic |
| 03:00.30 | deadcat | hernan: i dont use exim |
| 03:00.37 | mwilson | mynullvoid: Nonsense. |
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| 03:00.46 | jim | that looks almost exactly like the factoid I set :) |
| 03:00.48 | caphuso | !exim maildir |
| 03:00.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, exim maildir is change "file = /var/mail/$local_part" to "directory = $home/Maildir" and add the line "maildir_format" |
| 03:00.53 | ricky_clarkson | blah !tell jim about msg the bot for helpers |
| 03:00.54 | mwilson | mynullvoid: You don't see the topic because you choose not to read it. |
| 03:00.56 | mynullvoid | mwilson: ? is't wrong? |
| 03:01.03 | pingouin | mwilson: ah ok, i wanted to use the command : nc so it's from netcat pacqkage ? th |
| 03:01.06 | pingouin | x |
| 03:01.11 | mynullvoid | mwilson: yes i think so |
| 03:01.14 | hernan | hah great, ty |
| 03:01.16 | plagerism | Where can I find the amd64 netinst?? |
| 03:01.18 | alejandro_ | weird thing: i have a SiS900 nic and works in windows, but when I install debian, it doesn't work internet. I get my IP and everything (dhcp) but i can't conect nor ping any server. lsmod | grep 900 list my nic module (anyway the sis900 module is installed as M by deffault). I have no idea what to do (cable conection) |
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| 03:01.59 | jim | ricky_clarkson: you're -trying- to piss me off, right? :) I'm in too good a mood; go away :) |
| 03:02.05 | mynullvoid | alejandro_: check your /etc/resolve.conf |
| 03:02.19 | caphuso | alejandro_: resolv.conf |
| 03:03.11 | ricky_clarkson | jim: If I was trying, you'd know about it. *insert other general threats here* |
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| 03:03.17 | alejandro_ | mynullvoid, by any weird reason, that file is being edited everytime i do ifdown -a && ifup -a and the first line reads search pp.htv.fi (isp) and then the dns servers.... |
| 03:03.28 | alejandro_ | or reboot |
| 03:03.45 | doub | alejandro_: my bet is your dhcp server advertises those |
| 03:03.49 | drac | I have this new xs26.sh (init script with start/stop/restart functions), i've copied it into /etc/init.d/ and I want it to start allways when I start my machine.. Is there something else I need to do?! |
| 03:04.05 | caphuso | drac: man update-rc.d |
| 03:04.24 | caphuso | drac: and read /etc/init.d/README |
| 03:04.24 | drac | okay |
| 03:04.31 | alejandro_ | doub, what do you mean with advertises those? which those? |
| 03:04.42 | doub | alejandro_: the domain name and dns servers |
| 03:04.49 | nvz | jim: I dont know which factiod you were referring to earlier. but you have made some dumb factoids from what I've seen so far :P |
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| 03:05.01 | mynullvoid | alejandro_: if you use dhcp you will have that changes, nevermind on that, just edit your resolv.conf and make sure you have nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx <---- where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is a valid and working dns server |
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| 03:05.12 | jim | nvz: and old ones too :) |
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| 03:05.17 | doub | alejandro_: that would explain why the resolv.conf is updated each time your interface goes up |
| 03:05.18 | jcurry | how would i go about changing x's resolution? |
| 03:05.26 | ricky_clarkson | jcurry: Ctrl-Alt-NumPadPlus |
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| 03:05.35 | ricky_clarkson | jcurry: or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:05.38 | jim | start a barbie war was probably from like 4 years ago |
| 03:05.49 | ricky_clarkson | !factinfo start a barbie war |
| 03:05.49 | dpkg | start a barbie war -- created by jim <jim@adsl-64-171-52-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> at Wed Sep 12 16:10:24 2001 (1236 days); it has been requested 10 times, last by jim, 1h 17m 32s ago. |
| 03:06.01 | jordo23 | Does anyone know how to install enemy territory for linux under debian? |
| 03:06.03 | alejandro_ | but the domain is from my isp :S |
| 03:06.12 | jim | yep, 4 years ago :) |
| 03:06.26 | alejandro_ | mynullvoid, then, the next boot will go back to the original content |
| 03:06.38 | pipeline | jordo23: The same way you install it on anything else. Download it, chmod a+x the .run file, and run it. |
| 03:06.48 | mynullvoid | alejandro_: can you ping a site using ip? |
| 03:06.51 | pipeline | jordo23: enemy territory can't be legally redistributed, so there's no .deb's |
| 03:06.53 | jim | jordo23: isn't it how to install enemy territory for linux on any linux? |
| 03:06.57 | alejandro_ | mynullvoid, noup |
| 03:07.16 | caphuso | alejandro_: and you get no useful error messages? |
| 03:07.19 | mynullvoid | can you ping your gateway |
| 03:07.23 | jcurry | ricky_clarkson, is there a spot in xf86config-4 that i could edit/ |
| 03:07.24 | jcurry | ? |
| 03:07.26 | alejandro_ | mynullvoid, but I get my ip usring ifdown -a && ifup -a |
| 03:07.29 | jordo23 | pipeline: yeah....the file you download is a .run file....how do you install that? |
| 03:07.33 | jim | but I also wrote sicco and msg the bot for helpers |
| 03:07.41 | jim | !sicco |
| 03:07.42 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about research and cooperation in asking for help. |
| 03:07.48 | alejandro_ | caphuso, that's right |
| 03:07.50 | ricky_clarkson | jcurry: Editing it yourself is a bit dangerous if you ever want to use dpkg-reconfigure to manage it again. |
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| 03:07.59 | nir_ | hello |
| 03:08.06 | caphuso | jim: no, you wrote "message the bots for helpers", but some new blootbot function broke that :-/ |
| 03:08.07 | ricky_clarkson | jcurry: man XF86Config |
| 03:08.11 | nir_ | how i can remove all gnome packages from my debian ? |
| 03:08.15 | WillySilly | i cant get to ftp.de.debian.org when using apt-get |
| 03:08.20 | doub | alejandro_: are you using cable modem? |
| 03:08.21 | caphuso | nir_: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 03:08.24 | jim | caphuso: oh, ok |
| 03:08.29 | mynullvoid | nir_: apt-get remove gnome --purge |
| 03:08.30 | hernan | argh, i changed the Maildir lines, and now mail doesn't get through. |
| 03:08.31 | alejandro_ | doub, yes |
| 03:08.35 | jim | well something like that :) |
| 03:08.48 | doub | alejandro_: and your sis nic is linked to the modem? |
| 03:08.50 | nvz | heh, dpkg is yelling at me to stop abusing forget.. I just deleted half a dozen or so factoids I supposedly created |
| 03:08.52 | ricky_clarkson | mynullvoid: No, that only removes the gnome metapackage. |
| 03:09.02 | alejandro_ | doub, "linked"? |
| 03:09.32 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Be careful, dpkg might start ignoring you soon. |
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| 03:09.32 | nvz | well I guess it was only 4.. I had 18, now it says 14 |
| 03:09.33 | doub | alejandro_: i mean, do you have a LAN, or is your NIC only linked to the modem? |
| 03:09.37 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 03:09.39 | dpkg | t-jack> | thomas_adam: Yorkshire pudding is a blood sausage, i'nt it? |
| 03:09.44 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 03:09.44 | mynullvoid | ricky_clarkson: ? what you mean by metapackage? |
| 03:09.53 | ricky_clarkson | mynullvoid: gnome is a package without content. |
| 03:09.58 | thomas_adam | Pfft. |
| 03:09.59 | ricky_clarkson | !metapackage |
| 03:09.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
| 03:10.02 | WillySilly | i cant get to ftp.de.debian.org when using apt-get, anyone else have that problem? |
| 03:10.11 | caphuso | WillySilly: yes. use ftp2.de.d.o |
| 03:10.12 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Did I wake you? |
| 03:10.16 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: No. |
| 03:10.19 | nir_ | i luv dpkg !!! |
| 03:10.22 | nvz | I think I got some decent factoids |
| 03:10.24 | alejandro_ | doub, i have a switcher, and then the modem (2 computers) the pc with linux works ok using linux (the nic I mean) |
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| 03:10.30 | jcurry | ricky_clarkson, i can't find anything... |
| 03:10.31 | WillySilly | caphuso, thank you |
| 03:10.32 | mynullvoid | so what about gnome-desktop-environment ? |
| 03:10.33 | jim | a metapackage has nothing itself, but causes apt-get to pull in a buncha packages by using depends |
| 03:10.35 | alejandro_ | damn |
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| 03:10.52 | alejandro_ | doub, the pc with linux works ok using windows (the nic I mean) |
| 03:10.57 | thomas_adam | jim: Re-phrasing dpkg's factoids, is a stupid idea. |
| 03:11.03 | caphuso | alejandro_: the nic works in linux too |
| 03:11.06 | mynullvoid | alejandro_: can you ping your gw? |
| 03:11.15 | ricky_clarkson | jcurry: In man XF86Config, you can't find anything? |
| 03:11.22 | jim | thomas_adam: when was that done? |
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| 03:11.27 | caphuso | alejandro_: you wouldn't get an IP from your ISP if it weren't |
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| 03:11.33 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Just now, wrt metapackage. |
| 03:11.48 | thomas_adam | < dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, |
| 03:11.51 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.52 | alejandro_ | caphuso, i know.... |
| 03:11.53 | jcurry | ricky_clarkson, i have my modelines set |
| 03:12.00 | ricky_clarkson | jcurry: So? |
| 03:12.02 | alejandro_ | mynullvoid, no i cant |
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| 03:12.25 | snype | hey what irc on linux is closest to mirc? |
| 03:12.25 | jcurry | ricky_clarkson, but how do i actually *change* them? |
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| 03:12.25 | snype | *irc client |
| 03:12.25 | jim | so I don't force people to be messaged by the bot... sue me :) |
| 03:12.25 | caphuso | alejandro_: you do? then why are you asking how to get it working? that makes no sense... |
| 03:12.27 | ricky_clarkson | jcurry: Modelines aren't resolution. |
| 03:12.27 | alejandro_ | snype, xchat |
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| 03:12.35 | mynullvoid | alejandro_: can you get any reply when you ping 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 03:12.38 | jcurry | ricky_clarkson, a modeline under monitor, or under screen? |
| 03:12.40 | ricky_clarkson | jcurry: You are supposed to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 - why won't you? |
| 03:12.51 | ricky_clarkson | jcurry: What's modelines got to do with it? |
| 03:12.54 | Thanatermesis | how is posible to use debootstrap and include the MBR write ? |
| 03:12.56 | jcurry | ricky_clarkson, cause that'll screw up my custom setup... |
| 03:13.07 | jcurry | ricky_clarkson, i'm not sure |
| 03:13.12 | alejandro_ | caphuso, i get the ip, but then thats all, i can't connect to any server no ping or anything |
| 03:13.15 | jim | I don't really make use of the bot lately either, primarily because I'm not as familiar with its keys as I was |
| 03:13.17 | snype | alejandro, anything besides xchat |
| 03:13.18 | smj | So, er quick question about Mozilla Firefox and printing. Anyone know what I'm supposed to pick for "US Letter" sized pages (8.5 in/11 in). I've tried several different entries in the print dialog list, but none comes out correctly. |
| 03:13.20 | Thanatermesis | chroot + grub-install /dev/device ? |
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| 03:13.25 | caphuso | alejandro_: that has *nothing* to do with the NIC |
| 03:13.30 | alejandro_ | snype, google |
| 03:13.31 | jcurry | ricky_clarkson, what should i be looking at? |
| 03:13.31 | Thanatermesis | hi alejandro_ |
| 03:13.42 | alejandro_ | Thanatermesis, what's up bitch |
| 03:13.44 | ricky_clarkson | jcurry: You're on your own then, as I don't have an XF86Config to hand. |
| 03:13.52 | Thanatermesis | xDDDD fucking alejandro_ |
| 03:13.58 | jcurry | ricky_clarkson, thanks anyway |
| 03:14.01 | alejandro_ | hehehee |
| 03:14.04 | bob2 | lovely |
| 03:14.05 | caphuso | alejandro_: and because you completely refuse to give any details about how it is not working, nobody will be able to help you |
| 03:14.12 | Thanatermesis | how is posible to use debootstrap and include the MBR write ? |
| 03:14.14 | Thanatermesis | chroot + grub-install /dev/device ? |
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| 03:14.51 | bob2 | installing your bootloader has nothing to do with debootstrap |
| 03:15.01 | jim | Thanatermesis: so you want to set up the base and make it bootable? |
| 03:15.02 | mynullvoid | mwilson: ? what is the packages.debian.org GMT? |
| 03:15.05 | alejandro_ | caphuso, IÄm telling you, I get the IP, but when I try to ing any server or IP, I get no answer |
| 03:15.16 | sanxiyn | mynullvoid: ? |
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| 03:15.43 | alejandro_ | caphuso, I don't refuse to give info, that would be stupid if I want help... |
| 03:15.56 | mynullvoid | alejandro_: ping is just icmp type 8, but if your firewall block it or the dns server doesn't allow it, it won't work |
| 03:16.04 | jariep | I just installed another distro alongside debian but I can't boot into debian anymore because grub overwrote the previous GRUB install. How do I modify GRUB to boot into debian again? |
| 03:16.12 | doub | alejandro_: can you ping the ISP's nameservers (those lised in resolv.conf) ? |
| 03:16.21 | alejandro_ | no i can't |
| 03:16.27 | mynullvoid | sanxiyn: I am in Malaysia and now is no longer weekend |
| 03:16.33 | jim | can you ping your gateway? |
| 03:16.39 | sanxiyn | mynullvoid: I am in Korea, and I can say the same :-) |
| 03:16.42 | alejandro_ | jim, noup |
| 03:16.46 | sanxiyn | mynullvoid: Hello, nice to meet you. |
| 03:16.48 | ricky_clarkson | I am in Britain, and can say the same. |
| 03:16.53 | caphuso | alejandro_: run "ping -c1 66.102.9.104" and paste the complete output between that and the next prompt in #flood |
| 03:16.53 | jim | that would be part of the problem |
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| 03:17.06 | alejandro_ | ok, wait |
| 03:17.12 | Thanatermesis | yes jim |
| 03:17.14 | doub | alejandro_: what does tcpdump say when you ping anything? |
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| 03:17.31 | corallis | how do I prevent services from starting up at boot time (such as sshd)? |
| 03:17.32 | Thanatermesis | jim, how to "boot" this hard-disk ? |
| 03:17.32 | ricky_clarkson | But my IRC client is in San Francisco and is still being dragged kicking and screaming into Monday 31st January. |
| 03:17.42 | mynullvoid | corallis: rcconf |
| 03:17.43 | Daffy-PKF | what option should i use for cdrecord in scsi device? (my burner is on /dev/hdc) |
| 03:17.46 | Thanatermesis | jim, how to make the MBR bootable? |
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| 03:17.58 | Thanatermesis | chroot + grub-instal /dev/device jim ? |
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| 03:18.11 | jim | why chroot? |
| 03:18.12 | corallis | mynullvoid: thanks |
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| 03:18.48 | jim | umm, thing is, you shouldn't need to "boot" a chroot like that... is that what you're doing? creating a chroot? |
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| 03:19.11 | cafuego__ | crappy cisco shite |
| 03:19.12 | Crell42 | What's the default web root for apache 2 in Sarge? The config file looks like it says /var/www, but I am unable to put new directories or files there and have them recognized. |
| 03:19.15 | mynullvoid | grub-install /dev/hda1 |
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| 03:19.40 | Omega11 | debian linux sucks |
| 03:19.41 | mynullvoid | grub-install /dev/hda <-- not really sure but info grub will tell you |
| 03:19.50 | bob2 | Omega11: thanks for your deep insight. |
| 03:19.59 | Crell42 | lol |
| 03:20.01 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 03:20.01 | jim | oops! |
| 03:20.10 | Thanatermesis | jim, I need to install a debian in one external hard-disk.. how to make this bootable ? |
| 03:20.10 | mynullvoid | AlphaOmega: heh |
| 03:20.22 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: depends entirely on your bios |
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| 03:20.25 | ricky_clarkson | Don't they usually call it Debian Knoppix? |
| 03:20.38 | asi1 | Can someone recommend a good channel for help on Dia, or answer this question please? How do you change the default units of measurement from metric to Imperial? |
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| 03:21.04 | mynullvoid | asil: Help in Dia or www.google.com |
| 03:21.05 | Thanatermesis | bob2, The bios only detect the hard disk... my disk needs a bootable MBR, no? |
| 03:21.08 | jim | Thanatermesis: I'm taking too long thinking it thru... probably bob2 has current info |
| 03:21.12 | ricky_clarkson | Americans: asi1 means "American" by "imperial", sort of. |
| 03:21.39 | Crell42 | ricky_clarkson: Imperial makes sense, since we are an Empire these days. :-) |
| 03:21.57 | ricky_clarkson | Crell42: We still have OBEs - Orders of the British Empire. |
| 03:21.58 | Crell42 | What's the default web root for apache 2 in Sarge? The config file looks like it says /var/www, but I am unable to put new directories or files there and have them recognized. |
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| 03:22.02 | asi1 | It wasn't a political statement.... |
| 03:22.05 | hernan | WHOA, i want to remove exim, so i can isntall postfix, but if i apt-get remove it, it'll also remove all these: apache at courier-imap courier-pop exim logrotate mailx mutt mysql-server |
| 03:22.05 | hernan | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.13 | Crell42 | asi1: We know, we're just being weird. :-) |
| 03:22.14 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: if your bios doesn't support usb/fireware whatever the drive is on, you will not be able to boot it |
| 03:22.17 | caphuso | hernan: apt-get install postfix |
| 03:22.17 | bob2 | hernan: duh |
| 03:22.21 | ricky_clarkson | asi1: I know, but a lot of Americans wouldn't know what imperial measures are. |
| 03:22.22 | bob2 | hernan: apt-get install postfix |
| 03:22.25 | Crell42 | hernan: Just install postfix, it will swap out exim on the way. |
| 03:22.28 | hernan | no need to delete exim? |
| 03:22.32 | mynullvoid | hernan: just apt-get install postfix and exim will be removed |
| 03:22.34 | Crell42 | apt-get will do it for you. |
| 03:22.41 | hernan | thank you |
| 03:22.42 | jim | Thanatermesis: yes it does, but it can be the original mbr put there by fdisk /mbr and a bootable partition flag |
| 03:22.48 | hernan | you guys just saved me |
| 03:22.49 | hernan | :) |
| 03:22.50 | bob2 | hernan: it will get removed as postfix is installed |
| 03:22.59 | hernan | yeah, it just removed it |
| 03:23.27 | hernan | is postfix easy to set up? |
| 03:23.32 | bob2 | yes |
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| 03:23.37 | caphuso | no |
| 03:23.40 | bob2 | if you know how to run a MTA at all |
| 03:23.47 | mynullvoid | hernan: is bmw easy to drive? |
| 03:23.53 | hernan | well, i dont think i know |
| 03:23.55 | sanxiyn | mynullvoid: heh |
| 03:23.57 | doub | maybe (this one was for the sake of completeness) |
| 03:24.02 | hernan | hey, im a noob here. |
| 03:24.07 | Crell42 | hernan: ALL SMTP servers are a PITA. It goes with being an SMTP server. |
| 03:24.17 | jim | because apt/dpkg have been told that no two MTAs (which exim and postfix are) can coexist on the same machine |
| 03:24.20 | Crell42 | Postfix is the least PITA of the ones I tried before settling on Postfix myself. |
| 03:24.41 | hernan | hah |
| 03:24.48 | hernan | well, somehow, i got exim working |
| 03:25.00 | caphuso | hernan: then WHY do you want to replace it? |
| 03:25.05 | snype | if i am installing a program from source how do i compile it with special proccessing instructions, such as SSE2 |
| 03:25.18 | caphuso | "it works, let's get rid of it".... what fucked up logic is that? |
| 03:25.20 | hernan | caphuso: because i can't get squirrelmail working |
| 03:25.26 | hernan | ha |
| 03:25.27 | bob2 | snype: I'm pretty sure that won't work |
| 03:25.27 | sanxiyn | snype: man gcc |
| 03:25.33 | bob2 | last I checked gcc never generated SSE |
| 03:25.40 | sanxiyn | bob2: ah |
| 03:25.42 | snype | alright |
| 03:25.44 | jim | snype: I guess you edit the makefile and/or other files and then build |
| 03:25.51 | FieldySnuts | snype: edit the Makefile, CFLAGS and or CXXFLAGS |
| 03:25.53 | drac | caphuso: ah, figured these runlevels out. good to know also for future. thanks. |
| 03:25.57 | FieldySnuts | -msse / -msse2 I think |
| 03:26.00 | mynullvoid | hernan: dpkg-reconfigure postfix will atlease get your postfix running. the rest you need to edit main.cf and master.cf |
| 03:26.01 | snype | thanks Fieldysnuts |
| 03:26.02 | Crell42 | snype: #Gentoo :-) |
| 03:26.10 | FieldySnuts | man gcc , search for msse maybe |
| 03:26.10 | hernan | mynullvoid: thank you! |
| 03:26.15 | snype | why #gentoo? |
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| 03:26.22 | asuffield | bob2: it can, but nobody uses it. it's only done with special functions and types in the source code |
| 03:26.27 | jim | are you running that? |
| 03:26.28 | FieldySnuts | hehe they're making a crack at you because us gentooites compile everything |
| 03:26.30 | doub | bob2: isn't it the goal of the 3.x gcc, to use arch optimizations more intensively? |
| 03:26.31 | caphuso | snype: because they know how to use -O13 |
| 03:26.36 | FieldySnuts | HEHE 13 |
| 03:26.39 | asuffield | doub: no |
| 03:26.50 | bob2 | doub: I don't know, but parallelizing code is really hard |
| 03:26.52 | sanxiyn | snype: man gcc and search for SSE. Good luck. |
| 03:26.52 | mynullvoid | hernan: you need maildir and not mailbox (mbox) |
| 03:26.53 | Crell42 | Gentoo is built around the idea of custom-compiling everything to squeeze out every bit of optimization. Debian is built around making everything plug together nicely. |
| 03:26.54 | asuffield | automatically using SSE stuff without source-level support is something of a joke anyway |
| 03:26.57 | ricky_clarkson | !how long has johnflux been on |
| 03:26.57 | dpkg | Oh GAWWD. he's still here??!! |
| 03:27.09 | bob2 | asuffield: oh, memcpy and such I guess |
| 03:27.19 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !what does thomas_adam pay you for |
| 03:27.22 | ravenbird | !what does thomas_adam pay you for |
| 03:27.23 | dpkg | normally thomas_adam insists on genital shaving, ravenbird, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 03:27.31 | asuffield | bob2: no, only special vector types. SSE has no non-vector stuff |
| 03:27.33 | snype | lol |
| 03:27.34 | FieldySnuts | hehe that's not the naughty one |
| 03:27.41 | bob2 | asuffield: ah |
| 03:27.45 | asuffield | bob2: memcpy might use MMX in some cases |
| 03:27.46 | thomas_adam | Pah. |
| 03:27.53 | FieldySnuts | oh hi thomas_adam |
| 03:28.03 | mynullvoid | ok guys I am gonna wait for packages.debian.org to be up :( |
| 03:28.04 | hernan | should i set up procmail? |
| 03:28.14 | FieldySnuts | how should we know |
| 03:28.14 | sanxiyn | hernan: For what? |
| 03:28.15 | hernan | or, use procmail for local delivery? |
| 03:28.20 | sanxiyn | hernan: ... |
| 03:28.22 | hernan | hah |
| 03:28.22 | mynullvoid | hernan: if you need them |
| 03:28.26 | Crell42 | Procmail makes setting up an MTA look easy. |
| 03:28.35 | nvz | mynullvoid: whats on p.d.o? |
| 03:28.38 | jim | hernan: sure... procmail makes a good MDA |
| 03:28.54 | sanxiyn | hernan: procmail is a good thing. |
| 03:29.01 | hernan | okay |
| 03:29.04 | asuffield | bob2: SSE stuff is for things like __builtin_addv4si(a, b); you can't fail to notice it |
| 03:29.05 | mohohaha | what does procmail do |
| 03:29.05 | mynullvoid | nvz: topic says it down and I can't access it |
| 03:29.08 | sanxiyn | hernan: So setup it if you need it. |
| 03:29.14 | nvz | mynullvoid: yeah but what are you after? |
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| 03:29.16 | hernan | how can i check everything's up and running without sending yet another email from my gmail account? |
| 03:29.36 | sanxiyn | hernan: send yet another email from your other mail account. |
| 03:29.41 | caphuso | hernan: echo test | mail yourusername@localhost |
| 03:29.46 | hernan | thank you |
| 03:29.50 | mynullvoid | hernan: you can have procmail or not to have, but I recommend you to have it, where it's good for filtering your email |
| 03:29.53 | jim | hernan: why without? |
| 03:30.20 | hernan | because i've already sent 5 emails, and if they bounce, gmail will start spamming me with delivery errors |
| 03:30.26 | mynullvoid | nvz: I need a package to get my domino 6 installed on my sid |
| 03:30.52 | nvz | mynullvoid: yeah we went over that already I think, its not in debian :P |
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| 03:31.14 | WillySilly | anyone know of some good 3rd party repositories? |
| 03:31.22 | gravity | For what? |
| 03:31.23 | nvz | mynullvoid: apt-get.org is unofficial package search, and you can /msg dpkg search for more info on searching |
| 03:31.23 | hernan | caphuso: what's the command supposed to return? |
| 03:31.30 | sanxiyn | WillySilly: Try apt-get.org |
| 03:31.35 | hernan | nevermind :) |
| 03:31.38 | caphuso | hernan: nothing |
| 03:31.40 | WillySilly | thx |
| 03:31.46 | hernan | "You have new mail" :P Great! |
| 03:31.48 | caphuso | wll, an exit code of 0 |
| 03:31.55 | caphuso | ^wll^well |
| 03:31.57 | sanxiyn | hernan: great |
| 03:32.20 | jim | "this is gmail.com, you've had too many bounces, we're taking back the invite!" |
| 03:32.31 | hernan | haha |
| 03:32.31 | caphuso | heh |
| 03:32.36 | mynullvoid | nvz: I am looking for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
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| 03:32.42 | Crell42 | What's the default web root for apache 2 in Sarge? The config file looks like it says /var/www, but I am unable to put new directories or files there and have them recognized. |
| 03:33.03 | sanxiyn | Crell42: I'ts /var/www. |
| 03:33.05 | nvz | mynullvoid: yep and we determined its not in debian using the bot |
| 03:33.16 | sanxiyn | Crell42: It really is. |
| 03:33.27 | mynullvoid | nvz: what you mean? |
| 03:33.33 | hernan | okay, i got this set up now, how do I get it to save my mail into Maildir/ |
| 03:33.37 | Crell42 | sanxiyn: Then why is that not working? :-) I've not touched that part of the config. |
| 03:33.43 | jim | Crell42: other than that, web pageroot depends on the config file |
| 03:33.51 | FieldySnuts | @lart KKK |
| 03:33.53 | sanxiyn | Crell42: How can I know... |
| 03:33.53 | Crell42 | Currently http://mysite/ is redirecting to squirrelmail. |
| 03:34.00 | sanxiyn | -_- |
| 03:34.03 | mynullvoid | nvz: so where can I get this? |
| 03:34.22 | jim | Crell42: dns issue? |
| 03:34.53 | irpf | someone knows how to enable the preset menu in grub? thanks in advance |
| 03:34.55 | Crell42 | jim: No, it's resolving the domain correctly, I'm just getting a 404 on http://mysite/index.html, when /var/www/index.html exists |
| 03:35.01 | caphuso | hernan: well, that would have been easy with exim. a two line change to the config file and one restart of the daemon and you'd be up and running |
| 03:35.11 | mynullvoid | Crell42: check your apache.conf |
| 03:35.15 | hernan | caphuso : i just finished installing postfix! |
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| 03:35.46 | Crell42 | Apache2 doesn't put the document root in apache.conf. |
| 03:35.52 | caphuso | irpf: apt-get install grub-doc |
| 03:35.59 | jim | Crell42: and the config file says that's where the web root is? and a different web server isn't listening on the web port? |
| 03:36.14 | NeoG | how do i set all the configs in the kernel source to default, i.e any changes i made with menuconfig |
| 03:36.19 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:36.19 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 03:36.21 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Did you leave #debian for a long time? I've been a regular here for a couple of years and never noticed you. But then, I'm not usually online at 3am. |
| 03:36.27 | caphuso | NeoG: mv .config config.backup |
| 03:36.35 | mohohaha | where to register gmail? |
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| 03:36.36 | jim | ricky_clarkson: yep |
| 03:36.38 | NeoG | caphuso: ta |
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| 03:36.44 | irpf | caphuso: do you really think that i don't read the docs before ask? |
| 03:36.45 | abrotman | !gmail |
| 03:36.45 | dpkg | gmail is probably a web mail service from Google that is _still_ not supported by Konqueror.... http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php |
| 03:36.47 | sanxiyn | mynullvoid: Still there? |
| 03:36.54 | sanxiyn | mynullvoid: Want to run Lotus Domino on Debian Sarge? |
| 03:36.57 | Crell42 | jim: This should be the only server on port 80 (it work for squirrelmail), and the config file for the default site says DocumentRoot /var/www/ |
| 03:37.00 | jim | I don't really intend on being a regular |
| 03:37.03 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 03:37.10 | caphuso | irpf: actually, yes |
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| 03:37.22 | sanxiyn | mynullvoid: Install "libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1" from "oldlibs" of "Debian Woody". |
| 03:37.25 | ricky_clarkson | I'm sure Konqueror users would be happy with the gmail tools, and the fact that gmail supports POP (iirc) and maybe IMAP. |
| 03:37.25 | mynullvoid | sanxiyn: can you run it on sarge? |
| 03:37.26 | sanxiyn | mynullvoid: (Guess how old that is.) |
| 03:37.41 | JeffH- | Does anyone know where I can find a debian package for WWW::Mechanize::FormFiller? |
| 03:37.43 | sanxiyn | mynullvoid: It seems. Search for libstdc++2.9 domino on Google. |
| 03:37.44 | Crell42 | ricky_clarkson: I believe Konqueror 3.4 supports it. |
| 03:37.56 | caphuso | irpf: straight from the grub documention: To enable the preset menu feature, you must rebuild GRUB specifying a file to the configure script with the option `--enable-preset-menu'. The file has the same semantics as normal configuration files |
| 03:38.05 | jim | Crell42: "should be" implies you are somewhat unsure? you should check... also, try restarting the server while you watch the action on the log file |
| 03:38.07 | mynullvoid | sanxiyn: that's why I am waiting for packages.debian.org to be up |
| 03:38.11 | sanxiyn | mynullvoid: So... the file you need is at "oldlibs" section of "Debian Woody" :-) |
| 03:38.26 | mynullvoid | sanxiyn: i know that |
| 03:38.34 | doub | hernan: installing maildir support in postfix is in the postfix FAQ |
| 03:38.50 | hernan | doub : thank you |
| 03:38.52 | jim | mynullvoid: find a mirror and poke around... |
| 03:38.53 | abrotman | it's even shown in the conffile iirdc |
| 03:39.09 | jim | you don't necessarily need packages.d.o |
| 03:39.15 | irpf | caphuso: ok what file where is located after rebuild what's... |
| 03:39.39 | caphuso | irpf: can you repeat that sentence in english? |
| 03:39.40 | Rangitoto | I downloaded the sarge installer, copied it to a CD and tried, unsuccessfully, to boot from the CD. I tried booting from another bootable CD and didn't have any problems. Is there anything which I need to do to make the CD containing the sarge installer bootable? |
| 03:40.30 | doub | JeffH-: if it's somewhere in debian main, it's libwww-mechanize-formfiller-perl. otherwise install dh-make-perl and it'll generate a .deb from the CPAN archive |
| 03:40.46 | jim | Rangitoto: say more about how it failed to boot |
| 03:41.01 | irpf | caphuso: when you rebuild grub with this option, Where you put the file after the rebuild? |
| 03:41.13 | nvz | mynullvoid: the sarge file is /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 if you are sure you need this old assed file I am not yet sure where to tell you to get it, but you should first see if the newer one satisfies it |
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| 03:41.27 | sanxiyn | nvz: It doesn't. |
| 03:41.34 | Guerin | Rangitoto: you burned it as an image, right? Didn't just burn the .iso file onto the disk as a file? |
| 03:41.38 | irpf | caphuso: Can you modify this file after rebuild? |
| 03:41.54 | nvz | sanxiyn: well 2.9 isnt in sarge, 2.10 is heh |
| 03:42.01 | irpf | caphuso: where is this info in the docs? |
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| 03:42.18 | sanxiyn | (I've heard of software requiring oldlibs from Potato distribution.) |
| 03:42.27 | nvz | sanxiyn: I am about to consider recommending sdn or something if I can even find the libs |
| 03:42.29 | sanxiyn | (asked last year) |
| 03:42.33 | caphuso | irpf: what? |
| 03:43.07 | irpf | caphuso: thanx |
| 03:43.13 | caphuso | irpf: once you build grub with a preset menu, that configuration file is *embedded* into grub. if you want to change it, you need to rebuild grub again |
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| 03:43.23 | nvzn | hi, gnomemeeting doesnt see my alsa device as user, but sees it as root...i've "# chmod a+rw /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/sequencer /dev/midi" but that doesnt help... is there another device im missing |
| 03:43.25 | sanxiyn | Hm, it says something about this topic: |
| 03:43.25 | sanxiyn | http://desktux.xs4all.nl/tips/domino.php |
| 03:43.35 | ixi-deb05 | Hi. What is the easiest way to disable user account? |
| 03:43.35 | caphuso | irpf: which is _exactly_ what the documentation you claimed to have read says |
| 03:44.03 | doub | nvzn: the right way to do what you want is 'adduser <username> audo' |
| 03:44.09 | caphuso | ixi-deb05: passwd -l |
| 03:44.11 | doub | nvzn: s/audo/audio/ |
| 03:44.15 | nvzn | hmm |
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| 03:44.20 | Rangitoto | jim: The computer booted from the hard disk inspite of the fact that the CDROM drive was put before IDE-0 in the boot sequence. I tried removing IDE-0 from the boot sequence and the computer still booted from the hard disk! I then put a Knoppix CD in the CDROM drive and the computer booted from that successfully. |
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| 03:44.23 | Crell42 | Huh. I think this may be a bug with the Squirrelmail package. |
| 03:44.35 | nvz | mynullvoid: sanxiyn: I cant find record of libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 being in debian or where to get it so far |
| 03:44.42 | hernan | perfect, my mail works, but i dont know where it's being saved.. |
| 03:44.47 | nvz | just libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 in sarge |
| 03:44.56 | hernan | nevermind, it's being saved in mbox |
| 03:44.59 | sanxiyn | nvz: wait a minute, I'm sure I can find it. |
| 03:45.00 | jim | Rangitoto: did you see a message about failed boot or whatever? |
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| 03:45.09 | irpf | caphuso: after rebuild grub, how i change the current grub? |
| 03:45.17 | jim | Rangitoto: did you burn the cd? how? |
| 03:45.20 | JeaLouS | guys is there any menual on how to maike packages cd ? |
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| 03:45.51 | Backz | gente, como faz pra cada usuario ter por padrao o seu 'public_html' e um /~usuario ? |
| 03:45.58 | Backz | no apache2 |
| 03:46.00 | ixi-deb05 | caphuso: thnx |
| 03:46.08 | Rangitoto | jim: No; the computer simply booted normally from the hard disk (on which I have Windows). |
| 03:46.11 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:46.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:46.14 | nvz | !portuguese |
| 03:46.14 | dpkg | methinks portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:46.16 | caphuso | irpf: ok, now i need to repeat myself.... what? |
| 03:46.18 | JeffH- | I'm trying to install dh-make-perl. it tells me I can't.. turns out it says it needs debconf 0.9.59 or higher.. but I have 1.2.35 installed.. shouldn't this work? |
| 03:46.21 | abrotman | whatever . i cna't tell anymore |
| 03:46.24 | nvz | heh |
| 03:46.28 | nvzn | doub: didnt help though |
| 03:46.32 | nvz | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 03:46.33 | bob2 | JeffH-: "installed" = "installed from source"? |
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| 03:46.34 | jim | Rangitoto: so you're saying there was no message whatsoever... |
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| 03:46.47 | Rangitoto | jim: that is correct. |
| 03:46.56 | jim | conclusion: cd burned improperly? |
| 03:47.05 | irpf | caphuso: after rebuild grub, how i replace the current grub? do you understand¿ |
| 03:47.18 | jim | i.e., it wasn't seen as a bootable cd at all |
| 03:47.18 | abrotman | nvz: it's so sad that those make sense :) |
| 03:47.31 | jim | you have to find out why that is |
| 03:47.35 | hernan | is there a way to check for users with the password "changepass" ? |
| 03:47.35 | caphuso | irpf: the normal way |
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| 03:47.38 | ixi-deb05 | caphuso: it said 'password changed'. Will old password be recovered after passwd -u? |
| 03:47.41 | Rangitoto | jim: Perhaps I should try burning another CD. |
| 03:47.53 | jim | you -still- have to find out why that is |
| 03:47.54 | Guerin | Rangitoto: you burned it as an image, right? Didn't just burn the .iso file onto the disk as a file? |
| 03:47.54 | JeaLouS | guys is there any menual on how to maike packages cd ? |
| 03:47.55 | kreg | just installed sarge on another box, but for somereason i'm getting this dns resolution. any idea what's causing this? |
| 03:47.58 | kreg | Interesting ports on amphire-util01.boicbk.fiberpipe.net (192.168.1.5): |
| 03:47.58 | caphuso | ixi-deb05: man passwd |
| 03:47.59 | abrotman | JeaLouS: yes |
| 03:48.01 | doub | nvzn: you need to logout and back for group membership to take effect |
| 03:48.06 | abrotman | JeaLouS: i just don't remember where |
| 03:48.10 | nvz | abrotman: heh. people talk like that too. In da' burg they all talk like that doesn't matter what race they are they all speak the language |
| 03:48.13 | JeaLouS | + abrotman : :S |
| 03:48.14 | nvzn | doub: ah ok |
| 03:48.15 | kreg | it should just be plain ol 192.168.1.5 |
| 03:48.16 | irpf | caphuso: what is the normal way? |
| 03:48.25 | JeaLouS | + abrotman : i have alot of packages i wanna set them on one disc |
| 03:48.27 | warchest | ok i'm trying to 'tail -f /var/log/apache/access.log' and i want to use a combination of tail/awk/host to get it to display the get record and the hostname.. i dont want apache to log the resolved host but i want to use tail/host/awk (or whatever works) to do this.. anyone have any suggestions? so far i havent been able to use awk to resolve a host |
| 03:48.30 | caphuso | oh, fuck it |
| 03:48.31 | abrotman | JeaLouS: google "create apt repository" |
| 03:48.34 | caphuso | irpf: go away |
| 03:48.41 | JeaLouS | okl |
| 03:48.47 | sanxiyn | warchest: Try harder :-) |
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| 03:49.06 | irpf | caphuso: thanks |
| 03:49.09 | jim | press that enter key with -feeling- this time! |
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| 03:49.15 | jnc | heh heh he |
| 03:49.26 | jnc | it's dead, jim |
| 03:49.33 | warchest | sanxiyn: i have |
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| 03:49.41 | jnc | ohhh.. i bet you get that too often |
| 03:49.52 | jim | no kidding :P |
| 03:49.59 | Rangitoto | Guerin: I think you have hit the nail on the head. I simply copied the file to a CD. I don't know what "burning as an image" means. |
| 03:50.02 | jnc | HOLY CRAP |
| 03:50.05 | jnc | ace of base |
| 03:50.07 | jnc | i love this |
| 03:50.16 | sanxiyn | Rangitoto: ... |
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| 03:50.26 | sanxiyn | Rangitoto: Of course that doesn't work... you need to burn it as an image, not copying. |
| 03:51.01 | nvz | Rangitoto: in most burner programs somewhere in the menu it says to create a cd from an image. |
| 03:51.11 | nvz | Rangitoto: you do not make a data cd with the image file on it |
| 03:51.14 | JeaLouS | is there any thing as how to's for all debian i can download |
| 03:51.19 | Backz | What package for apache2 make for each user an 'public_html' folder and /~user (on http) ? |
| 03:51.39 | hernan | Backz: /etc/skel/ make the public_html in there |
| 03:51.40 | caphuso | Backz: the apache2 package |
| 03:51.42 | Rangitoto | nvz: I will look at the burner software (Nero). Thanks for the advice. |
| 03:51.52 | simonrvn | Backz: should already be in the conf |
| 03:51.54 | jim | Backz: write a script to do that |
| 03:51.55 | caphuso | Backz: and it's /~user/ |
| 03:52.33 | JeffH- | anyone here use debian woody? do you use dh-make-perl? |
| 03:52.38 | hernan | Backz: Just make a public_html in the /etc/skel/ directory, that's all you need |
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| 03:52.39 | sanxiyn | Backz: mod_userdir |
| 03:52.46 | sanxiyn | Backz: (Which is included in apache package) |
| 03:52.48 | abrotman | edit the adduser script? |
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| 03:52.55 | JeaLouS | how to move all packages on the cd to my archive over my hdd ? |
| 03:52.57 | jim | that's just "for each home directory belonging to a nonsystem user, make a directory called public_html in that directory" |
| 03:53.04 | Backz | oh thanks all...!! :) |
| 03:53.06 | abrotman | JeaLouS: google "create apt repository" |
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| 03:53.22 | JeaLouS | + abrotman : is that also the same |
| 03:53.24 | JeaLouS | ? |
| 03:53.31 | abrotman | JeaLouS: no .. sorry .. just copy them |
| 03:53.36 | doub | JeffH-: i did, and did not have much problems |
| 03:53.41 | abrotman | JeaLouS: put them in the archives directory |
| 03:53.48 | JeaLouS | + abrotman : any command ? |
| 03:53.48 | nvzn | doub: thanks |
| 03:53.55 | doub | JeffH-: what exactly happens? |
| 03:54.11 | abrotman | JeaLouS: cp |
| 03:54.20 | JeaLouS | + abrotman : i mean with apt- ? |
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| 03:54.35 | abrotman | dunno |
| 03:54.45 | abrotman | well . i probably do |
| 03:54.53 | nvz | Rangitoto: if you want to d/l you can use CD Burner XP 3.0 Pro its freeware http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ IIRC, and when you chose data session, just goto the File Menu and choose "Write CD From Image" |
| 03:55.07 | abrotman | ok .. so i'm watching this show on pompeii .. there are no ugly girls in italy . what's up with that? |
| 03:55.25 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Pink Floyd? |
| 03:55.26 | Backz | hey... I was installed mod-auth-mysql, how I enable it? |
| 03:55.29 | JeaLouS | + Rangitoto : are u windows user ? |
| 03:55.35 | abrotman | thomas_adam: there is Drury Lane in Philly!!! |
| 03:55.43 | thomas_adam | Ha! |
| 03:55.44 | simonrvn | Backz: i suggest you read the docs |
| 03:55.56 | jim | Backz: I would write a -separate- script, that you feed to it the name of the user, and it sets up that user how you want |
| 03:56.11 | jim | (like, creates public_html) |
| 03:56.20 | JeffH- | doub: I'm trying 'apt-get install dh-make-perl' and it tells me it depends on debhelper (>= 3.0.0). 'apt-get install debhelper' tells me it depends on debconf-utils. 'apt-get install debconf-utils' tells me it depends on debconf (>= 0.9.59). 'apt-get install debconf' tells me I have the latest installed and 'dpkg -l debconf' tells me it is version 1.2.35 |
| 03:56.37 | nvz | dpkg, watch thomas_adam's muffins |
| 03:56.42 | abrotman | thomas_adam: http://tinyurl.com/3tj4e |
| 03:56.47 | Backz | jim: it is hard :D |
| 03:57.00 | doub | JeffH-: using backports? i have woody here, debconf is 1.0.32 |
| 03:57.03 | jim | at first maybe. |
| 03:57.14 | simonrvn | jim: the adduser local stuff is rather easy actually |
| 03:57.18 | thomas_adam | Hahahaha. |
| 03:57.32 | jim | but if you write this one script, it will show you things about writing such scripts |
| 03:57.35 | JeffH- | doub: hm.. maybe.. but that was months ago. |
| 03:57.38 | abrotman | thomas_adam: see ..drury ln |
| 03:57.47 | thomas_adam | abrotman: So that's where you live... |
| 03:57.53 | simonrvn | a grasp of shell scripting and unix commands helps ;) |
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| 03:58.04 | JeffH- | doub: still though.. 1.2.35 is >= 0.9.59 |
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| 03:58.09 | jim | you can get a grasp by trying to do it :) |
| 03:58.16 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 03:58.24 | why | hi i am windows user and I want to be linux user, how can I get information about installation of linux. Is there any website? |
| 03:58.24 | thomas_adam | And by the looks of things, you can make nutty muffins, by visiting Chesnut st, and Walnut st, close by. Result. :P |
| 03:58.26 | why | ? |
| 03:58.28 | abrotman | thomas_adam: no . not really .. but i should move htere .. McGillans is on that street :) |
| 03:58.30 | simonrvn | experience is the best teacher |
| 03:58.35 | doub | JeffH-: is it the only dependency problem? |
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| 03:58.39 | sanxiyn | why: debian.org |
| 03:58.41 | nvz | why: well yes there is in fact |
| 03:58.45 | simonrvn | why: www.debian.org |
| 03:58.47 | sanxiyn | oops that doesnt work |
| 03:58.51 | sanxiyn | machine is down for some time |
| 03:58.54 | JeffH- | doub: not sure.. it is the only one it complains about. |
| 03:59.02 | simonrvn | oh yeh. soon be back up |
| 03:59.02 | why | thanks alot sanxiyn |
| 03:59.05 | nvz | why: you can start since you ended up here with http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian/ |
| 03:59.07 | doub | JeffH-: what does 'apt-get -f install' say? |
| 03:59.08 | sanxiyn | why: there are too many of them to list here. |
| 03:59.16 | jim | was this a scheduled downtime? |
| 03:59.24 | caphuso | jim: yes |
| 03:59.39 | sanxiyn | Well http://www.uk.debian.org/ works |
| 03:59.43 | jim | it seems rather extreme and ill prepared |
| 03:59.57 | jim | that is, if www.d.o also does not work |
| 04:00.06 | gravity | jim: www.d.o does work |
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| 04:00.10 | abrotman | jim: yes .. notice was given many days in advance |
| 04:00.10 | deucehaus | i'm looking into a small laptop (no cd drive)... looking at the ibm thinkpad x series and 240... anything else i should check out? |
| 04:00.14 | why | I am very new user on this sever, I find its a best sever |
| 04:00.16 | why | :) |
| 04:00.18 | jim | oh, well, that's better |
| 04:00.36 | sanxiyn | ah, www.debian.org works... it's just slow. |
| 04:00.38 | sanxiyn | Sorry. |
| 04:00.38 | JeffH- | doub: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. The one not upgraded is a package I built myself that apparently apt-get doesn't recognize as greater than the one in the repository |
| 04:00.42 | jim | it's not so bad as long as the front entrance works |
| 04:00.50 | ideal | Execuse, how can I get sources through CVS? |
| 04:01.00 | abrotman | like ports? |
| 04:01.04 | jim | cvs co <modulename> |
| 04:01.06 | simonrvn | 218.137.109.194.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR klecker.debian.org. |
| 04:01.21 | nvz | why: actually I guess thats http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 04:01.23 | why | thanks all of you |
| 04:01.25 | doub | JeffH-: i don't quite get it. can you paste the output of 'apt-get install dh-make-perl' in #flood? |
| 04:01.25 | sanxiyn | ideal: If it's an SourceForge project, SourceForge provides exact commands to type. |
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| 04:01.40 | ideal | Thanks. what's the reporsitory? |
| 04:01.51 | sanxiyn | ideal: Something you don't need to know to just get source. |
| 04:02.04 | JeffH- | doub: curiously enough, if I uncomment my backports source in /etc/apt/sources.list it gets past any dependency problems. |
| 04:02.17 | abrotman | sussudio: apparently ideal doesn't know either |
| 04:02.19 | ideal | sanxiyn: let me try. |
| 04:02.22 | sanxiyn | ideal: Well, why don't you learn CVS anyway. It's valuable and doesn't take a long time... |
| 04:02.26 | NeoG | uh.. whats the command to rename a file/dir |
| 04:02.31 | sussudio | abrotman: channels : #debian #netbsd #opendarwin #t2 |
| 04:02.35 | sanxiyn | (doesn't take a long time to learn the basics, that is.) |
| 04:02.37 | abrotman | sussudio: i noticed |
| 04:02.40 | nvz | NeoG: mv |
| 04:02.44 | abrotman | sussudio: why's aren't much better |
| 04:02.44 | doub | JeffH-: yes, because you have some newer packages than what's on woody, due to backports. which cause dependency problems |
| 04:02.47 | NeoG | thx.. |
| 04:02.55 | nvz | NeoG: if you need to rename multiple files rename might be better |
| 04:03.03 | abrotman | sussudio: you'd think someone in #od could use cvs |
| 04:03.07 | JeffH- | doub: okay.. guess I'll just go with the backports version. thansk. |
| 04:03.28 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Not necessarily... |
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| 04:03.38 | jim | is pg-8 in sid yet? backports? |
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| 04:03.43 | ideal | sanxiyn: I just wanna get repository of debian project:) |
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| 04:03.51 | abrotman | ideal: you can't |
| 04:03.53 | sanxiyn | ideal: Which one? |
| 04:03.56 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Ah. |
| 04:04.05 | abrotman | you can't just check out debian |
| 04:04.10 | doub | JeffH-: you can also try downgrading to the woody version, if you don't need your backport anymore. but my bet is it will be a pita |
| 04:04.15 | abrotman | you can build source packages .. or get other certain files |
| 04:04.15 | jim | ideal: not all of it is in cvs |
| 04:04.23 | abrotman | and we do have a cvs and svn server .. |
| 04:04.26 | ideal | even anonymous? |
| 04:04.28 | sanxiyn | ideal: and some is in cvs but scattered everywhere... |
| 04:04.30 | abrotman | but i don't htink you can just check it all out |
| 04:04.35 | FarrisG | anybody been able to get dvdshrink working properly under wine on a debian box? |
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| 04:04.41 | abrotman | ideal: what part of debian do you want? |
| 04:04.44 | jim | some has no version control, some in arch, some in svn |
| 04:04.51 | JeffH- | doub: yeah.. I'm not gonna worry about it.. but thanks. |
| 04:04.52 | jim | depending on what developers prefer |
| 04:04.58 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Hm, but people *can* checkout entire FreeBSD port tree...? |
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| 04:05.10 | Luke | could anyone tell me the flags i need to decompress a tar.bz2 kernel source? |
| 04:05.16 | bob2 | -j |
| 04:05.17 | ideal | I found some difference between upgrades about configuration of wmaker. |
| 04:05.19 | bob2 | as the manpage says |
| 04:05.19 | sussudio | Luke: man tar |
| 04:05.20 | JeffH- | doub: I've been contemplating reinstall and switching from qmail to some other mail program.. maybe this is the time to do that. |
| 04:05.20 | bob2 | shockingly |
| 04:05.23 | weems | what program should I use to watch .avi? |
| 04:05.24 | abrotman | sanxiyn: well ... the port tree i don't know .. but the source i suppose |
| 04:05.24 | Luke | sussudio: i donno which ones to use |
| 04:05.30 | abrotman | sanxiyn: err .. kernel source |
| 04:05.38 | Luke | bob2: -jx should keep the tree order? |
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| 04:05.44 | ideal | So I hope to know where is the difference:) |
| 04:05.45 | bob2 | Luke: "tree order"? |
| 04:05.45 | drac | Luke: xfvj |
| 04:05.48 | hernan | My mail keeps being saved into /var/mail/<username> even tho in my main.cf for postfix, i specified home_mailbox = Maildir/ |
| 04:05.51 | Luke | drac: thanks |
| 04:05.51 | sanxiyn | abrotman: I know for a fact for Gentoo that's possible :-) |
| 04:05.54 | sussudio | +i on a sunday would be nice |
| 04:06.00 | jim | Luke: bzip2 -dc file.tar.bz2 | tar xf - |
| 04:06.05 | abrotman | sanxiyn: good for them .. anyone ever done it? |
| 04:06.16 | abrotman | ideal: difference in what? |
| 04:06.28 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Difference between wmaker versions, I think. |
| 04:06.34 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Makes a lot of sense... |
| 04:06.37 | lucas | hiyas, anyone else having problems with cdparanoia on sid? mine seems to be producing blank wav files, or it could be my cdrom drive dying |
| 04:07.00 | simonrvn | nvz: of course. +i is useful |
| 04:07.00 | abrotman | sanxiyn: snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:07.07 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Not really. |
| 04:07.08 | ideal | abrotman: alt+tab doesn't support active:( |
| 04:07.11 | sussudio | lucas: is it a john cale cd? |
| 04:07.29 | sanxiyn | abrotman: If all debian/rules & co. were version controlled in central manner, it would be cool. |
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| 04:07.49 | nvz | simonrvn: I am actually +ei, sometimes I am +CEei |
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| 04:07.54 | weems | what program should i watch to view video? |
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| 04:08.01 | abrotman | ideal: what is your native language? |
| 04:08.01 | helloyo | weems, mplayer |
| 04:08.03 | mwilson | hernan: You have to short out postfix's reliance on procmail as a MDA. That, or have procmail deliver to the Maildir. |
| 04:08.05 | simonrvn | nvz: +eiw here |
| 04:08.06 | gravity | weems: xine, totem, mplayer |
| 04:08.06 | weems | k |
| 04:08.08 | helloyo | weems, you'll need a marillat source |
| 04:08.13 | weems | how? |
| 04:08.21 | hernan | mwilson: promail! i'll check its config, brb :P |
| 04:08.22 | weems | how do i do that? |
| 04:08.25 | ideal | abrotman: en_US.UTF-8 |
| 04:08.27 | sanxiyn | ideal: Alt-Tab in WindowMaker? |
| 04:08.37 | weems | and whats a marillat source? |
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| 04:08.38 | ideal | sanxiyn: yes |
| 04:08.38 | nvz | simonrvn: I do +w sometimes but I dont always want to hear lilo talking to himself :P |
| 04:08.42 | nvz | heh |
| 04:08.45 | gravity | !tell weems about mplayer |
| 04:08.45 | jim | mwilson: would the latter be the better choice? |
| 04:08.51 | abrotman | ideal: the language you speak to your mother |
| 04:09.09 | ideal | abrotman: Chinese:) |
| 04:09.10 | hernan | mwilson: where's the procmail config? the man page says "/etc/procmailrc" but it's not there |
| 04:09.12 | abrotman | !ch |
| 04:09.12 | dpkg | i heard ch is Switzerland |
| 04:09.16 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 04:09.18 | abrotman | i give up .. |
| 04:09.26 | gravity | simonrvn: ;-) |
| 04:09.28 | sussudio | ideal: if you're coywolf i will hurt you |
| 04:09.33 | simonrvn | gravity: *grin* |
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| 04:09.34 | sanxiyn | !zh |
| 04:09.44 | mwilson | jim: I have no opinion and am probably not qualified to render one in any case. I only know that the combination of telling postfix to use Maildir and procmail both does not work as you'd expect it to. |
| 04:09.59 | sanxiyn | !cn |
| 04:09.59 | dpkg | it has been said that cn is China |
| 04:10.04 | ideal | sussudio: What did you mean? |
| 04:10.27 | simonrvn | does the bot have all the cctlds? |
| 04:10.27 | mwilson | jim: Postfix isn't handling the delivery, procmail is, thus procmail controls whether it's Maildir or mbox. |
| 04:10.36 | abrotman | either way .. he doesn't seem to be able to communicate in english |
| 04:10.38 | caphuso | the debian postfix config doesn't check for the existance of ~/.procmailrc before invoking procmail? |
| 04:10.48 | jim | oic... so either postfix directly delivers to the maildir, or to procmail which delivers to the maildir? |
| 04:10.52 | lucas | sussudio: no |
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| 04:11.06 | mwilson | caphuso: It didn't seem so. |
| 04:11.08 | saerdna | packages.debian mirror? |
| 04:11.10 | caphuso | or can't postfix do that? |
| 04:11.10 | abrotman | and isn't there a #wmaker ? |
| 04:11.14 | _rene_ | caphuso: why should it? |
| 04:11.15 | abrotman | saerdna: no |
| 04:11.17 | nvz | saerdna: nope. |
| 04:11.20 | hernan | mwilson: where's the procmail config? |
| 04:11.24 | nvz | saerdna: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:11.25 | BBearr | I'm at 39% on my first run of apt-get dist-upgrade to sarge, with time on my hands. Can anyone tell me how to get debian to boot directly from the hard drive? |
| 04:11.27 | saerdna | :/ its been down for days |
| 04:11.33 | mwilson | caphuso: That'd be dangerous in any case, as there might be a global procmail config that should be adhered to. |
| 04:11.36 | nvz | saerdna: should be up tomorrow we hope |
| 04:11.40 | _rene_ | caphuso: if .procmailrc doesn't ist procmail delivers to /var/mail(foo, doesn't it? why then not execute it? ;) |
| 04:11.42 | jim | saerdna: poke around at your nearby mirror... the /pool directory could be your friend |
| 04:11.53 | simonrvn | BBearr: configure your bootloader correctly |
| 04:11.55 | _rene_ | caphuso: and see mwilsons comment |
| 04:12.16 | simonrvn | _rene_: hi |
| 04:12.32 | _rene_ | hi.. |
| 04:12.32 | sanxiyn | _rene_: Hello! |
| 04:12.37 | caphuso | require_files = ${local_part}:\ ${if exists{/etc/procmailrc}\ {/etc/procmailrc}{${home}/.procmailrc}}:\ +/usr/bin/procmail |
| 04:12.42 | mwilson | I don't have a problem with it working the way it does, the ORA Postfix book makes it clear that it works that way. I was just surprised that the Debian package worked hte way it did. |
| 04:12.45 | caphuso | that's how exim handles it |
| 04:12.47 | BBearr | I've done some of that, but when it boots I don't get the "boot:" prompt. I get "MBR" followed by 01 01 01 01 01... |
| 04:12.47 | nvz | saerdna, jim: apt-file and apt-cache can be your friend |
| 04:12.56 | JaMaLz | any one good jidgo for sarge dvd ? |
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| 04:13.09 | nvz | just cause p.d.o is down doesnt mean you have to surf around the mirror |
| 04:13.13 | saerdna | nvz: no apt-cache cant be my friend since i want to search in the unstable branch and im running testing |
| 04:13.23 | nvz | saerdna: the bot dpkg in here will |
| 04:13.30 | nvz | saerdna: it uses apt-file IIRC |
| 04:13.31 | hernan | caphuso: im missing both files, $home/.procmailrc and /etc/procmailrc |
| 04:13.34 | saerdna | okey |
| 04:13.36 | nvz | saerdna: which you too can use |
| 04:13.36 | JaMaLz | any one know good jidgo sarge dvd ? < good host |
| 04:13.39 | caphuso | hernan: you're not using exim either |
| 04:13.50 | saerdna | have anyone here successfully built php 5.0.3 in sarge/testing latly? |
| 04:13.53 | hernan | caphuso: i stopped using exim 30 seconds ago |
| 04:13.53 | simonrvn | nvz: the bot doesn't use apt-file. uses its own thing |
| 04:13.59 | caphuso | hernan: your fault |
| 04:14.12 | nvz | simonrvn: the !find is not using apt-file? |
| 04:14.20 | simonrvn | nope. never did |
| 04:14.20 | hernan | caphuso: i tried doing the 2 line change, but it didnt work, and my mail wasnt being delivered |
| 04:14.43 | nvz | simonrvn: him oh well kudos to someone who wants to reinvent the wheel.. unless it came first.. heh |
| 04:14.44 | jim | debian still uses jigdo? |
| 04:14.51 | caphuso | hernan: you managed to mess up the maildir configuration for exim? then you're probably a hopeless case |
| 04:14.59 | caphuso | !exim maildir |
| 04:14.59 | dpkg | it has been said that exim maildir is change "file = /var/mail/$local_part" to "directory = $home/Maildir" and add the line "maildir_format" |
| 04:15.09 | hernan | caphuso: that's exactly what i did |
| 04:15.14 | sanxiyn | JaMaLz: http://ftp.up.ac.za/debian-jigdo/ |
| 04:15.18 | simonrvn | nvz: came before i think. don't take my word for it though |
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| 04:15.53 | sanxiyn | jim: "debian still uses jigdo?"? |
| 04:16.08 | caphuso | hernan: and you restarted exim? |
| 04:16.10 | abrotman | jim: it can |
| 04:16.23 | hernan | it was running in inetd |
| 04:16.27 | jim | "<sanxiyn> jim: "debian still uses jigdo?"?"?! |
| 04:16.29 | simonrvn | oh fuck |
| 04:16.48 | simonrvn | sanxiyn, jim: jim ) "<sanxiyn> jim: "debian still uses jigdo?"?"?! |
| 04:16.55 | mwilson | Debian runs exim3 in inetd. It doesn't run exim4 in inetd. |
| 04:16.56 | hernan | caphuso: i tried restarting exim, and i also restarted inetd. didnt work, and my mail stopped being delievered |
| 04:17.11 | caphuso | hernan: did you check the log files? |
| 04:17.15 | jim | we should stop dat now :) |
| 04:17.20 | hernan | caphuso: let me check right now |
| 04:17.36 | sanxiyn | Nested quotes shall be escaped. |
| 04:17.45 | Daffy-PKF | can someone help me please? i don't manage to burn cds with cdrecord (i use gcombust as frontend) |
| 04:17.50 | hernan | Oh WOW! |
| 04:18.02 | hernan | What's the easiest way to go back to exim? :P |
| 04:18.02 | Daffy-PKF | when i try to burn it tells me there is no cd in the drive |
| 04:18.08 | Daffy-PKF | but there is one |
| 04:18.10 | sanxiyn | hernan: ... |
| 04:18.12 | Daffy-PKF | and a blank one |
| 04:18.12 | simonrvn | 78778 |
| 04:18.13 | hernan | ha ha ha |
| 04:18.19 | hernan | i had a typo on my path |
| 04:18.24 | Luke | jim: that worked thanks =)_ |
| 04:18.30 | jim | hernan: apt-get install exim |
| 04:18.39 | jim | Luke: glad it worked otu |
| 04:18.40 | hernan | and will that make it use my old config and everything back the way it was/ |
| 04:18.45 | caphuso | hernan: yes |
| 04:18.46 | simonrvn | forgot the quotes |
| 04:18.51 | simonrvn | "..." |
| 04:18.52 | hernan | hahah, ty |
| 04:18.53 | sanxiyn | hernan: Yes. Debian doesn't remove configs. |
| 04:19.01 | caphuso | unless asked to |
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| 04:19.13 | jim | which yyou didn't iirc |
| 04:19.30 | hernan | i'll start checking my logs more often |
| 04:19.35 | kreg | what are these?? |
| 04:19.37 | kreg | 982/tcp open unknown |
| 04:19.37 | kreg | 991/tcp open unknown |
| 04:19.39 | caphuso | hernan: that's an excellent idea |
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| 04:19.52 | caphuso | kreg: lsof -i :982 |
| 04:19.54 | jim | kreg: open ports? |
| 04:20.03 | caphuso | or use netstat |
| 04:20.16 | hernan | is the line "maildir_format" supposed to be under local_delivery: ? |
| 04:20.17 | kreg | rpc.statd |
| 04:20.18 | Daffy-PKF | did someone already managed to burn a cd on an ide/atapi drive with cdrecord? |
| 04:20.18 | Luke | jim: do you know if there is a way to get thoe config from the current kernel image? |
| 04:20.22 | kreg | not sure what that dameon is |
| 04:20.34 | hernan | or "address_directory:"? |
| 04:20.37 | sanxiyn | kreg: It's statd. |
| 04:20.44 | simonrvn | hernan: it's called rtfm |
| 04:20.50 | caphuso | hernan: in the section where you changed the file = ... to directory = ... |
| 04:20.56 | hernan | caphuso : got it |
| 04:20.57 | jim | Luke: yes. any kernel package installed from debian (or if you build your own kernel into a debian package) it will be in /boot |
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| 04:21.10 | caphuso | it's an append_file transport option |
| 04:21.22 | Little_Dump | is there anyway i can get the lock screen working in gnome on sarge? |
| 04:21.30 | sanxiyn | kreg: If you don't do NFS remove nfs-common. |
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| 04:22.01 | kreg | Sandman, ahh |
| 04:22.08 | kreg | er |
| 04:22.12 | kreg | sanxiyn, ahhh thanks |
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| 04:22.30 | BBearr | My lilo.conf is lba32 boot=/dev/hdb1 root=/dev/hdb1 (compact is commented out) install=/boot/boot.b delay=20 map=/boot/map vga=extended image=vmlinuz label=Linux read-only |
| 04:22.57 | Luke | jim: thanks =) and what can i use in replace of make menuconfig? it says i have to install some devel thing but it doesnt exist in the debian repository |
| 04:23.15 | kreg | caphuso, thank you |
| 04:23.30 | jim | Luke: what devel thing? |
| 04:23.35 | nvz | BBearr: that looks alot like the sample config that comes with lilo |
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| 04:23.46 | Luke | jim: ncurses-devel |
| 04:23.46 | jim | it's there, it's related to what menuconfig uses which is ncurses |
| 04:23.52 | jim | ncurses-dev |
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| 04:24.04 | Luke | jim: ah... when i tried to run it, it told me devel |
| 04:24.07 | _rene_ | libncurses5-dev |
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| 04:24.18 | jim | Luke: ^^^^^^ |
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| 04:24.37 | hernan | ok, i have everything "working" now, but mail isnt being delivered :/ |
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| 04:24.49 | jim | Luke: maybe that's an old metapackage |
| 04:24.58 | caphuso | hernan: the log file will tell you why |
| 04:25.05 | Luke | jim: i got it =) |
| 04:25.08 | hernan | caphuso: i checked the log file, nothing nww |
| 04:25.10 | hernan | *new |
| 04:25.15 | jim | but in direct answer to your question, yes. you can use make xconfig |
| 04:25.24 | _rene_ | just ignore it and find the right package ;-) |
| 04:25.37 | jim | but you would need other dev portions of libs to get that to compile |
| 04:25.39 | Little_Dump | is there anyway i can get the lock screen working in gnome on sarge? |
| 04:25.43 | Luke | jim: ok so where is the old config? |
| 04:25.46 | caphuso | hernan: which logfile did you check? |
| 04:25.52 | jim | in /boot |
| 04:25.52 | JaMaLz | guys why jidgo get temples file |
| 04:26.00 | JaMaLz | and it's ain't in dvd size ? |
| 04:26.05 | hernan | caphuso: /var/log/exim/mainlog |
| 04:26.13 | nvz | Little_Dump: sacrifice a gnome |
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| 04:26.27 | caphuso | hernan: there should be a few other files in that dir too, check those |
| 04:26.36 | hernan | caphuso: my panic log says: |
| 04:26.44 | Little_Dump | nvz: why whenever i come here do i get responses like that? |
| 04:26.48 | hernan | 2005-01-30 20:23:02 Exim configuration error for local_delivery transport: only one of "file" or "directory" can be specified |
| 04:26.49 | BBearr | Yea, lilo built it, and I did some editing. |
| 04:26.52 | nvz | Little_Dump: its probably gnome-session's fault its buggy as all hell |
| 04:27.01 | jim | Luke: and you should look into using make-kpkg which is the command in the package kernel-package for making packages out of kernel builds |
| 04:27.01 | hernan | caphuso: wait, i can handle this :) |
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| 04:27.10 | nvz | Little_Dump: gnome-session is a nightmare to anyone who knows thats why |
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| 04:27.34 | hernan | caphuso: done :), for some reason, my # disappeared |
| 04:27.42 | Luke | jim: so you dont use make menuconfig and make && make modules_install in debian? |
| 04:28.06 | hernan | great! |
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| 04:28.15 | nvz | Luke: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 04:28.15 | _rene_ | Luke: you can. but make-kpkg is superiour |
| 04:28.21 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: still around? |
| 04:28.22 | jim | Luke: make menuconfig or make xconfig, yes. make / make modules/ etc, no. make-kpkg does that |
| 04:28.28 | ricky_clarkson | Yes, abrotman. |
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| 04:28.35 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I'm doing an all-nighter. |
| 04:28.36 | jim | (responding to the question "what do I usually do") |
| 04:28.38 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: if you were to choose an IDE for java .. which would it be? |
| 04:28.47 | Little_Dump | if i use xf86config to configure my xwindows should i copy the file it makes over my XF86Config-4? |
| 04:28.47 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: like .. jbuilder or netbeans etc |
| 04:28.58 | caphuso | hernan: so everything's working now? |
| 04:29.02 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Eclipse, but I've heard glowing reports of IDEA (non-free). |
| 04:29.10 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you don't like the others? |
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| 04:29.14 | pipeline | Little_Dump: If you do that, debconf won't update your configuration anymore. |
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| 04:29.19 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I haven't used them much to be honest. |
| 04:29.27 | jim | abrotman: have you seen forte? while it's kinda slow or really slow sometimes, it's not otherwise bad |
| 04:29.27 | hernan | caphuso: seems to be working now, one last thing. How do I tell the system where to look for my mail now? |
| 04:29.32 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: JBuilder is a pile of shite, but that might no longer be true, dunno. |
| 04:29.37 | Luke | jim: thanks |
| 04:29.39 | caphuso | hernan: what system? |
| 04:29.40 | hernan | caphuso :it's still looking in /var/mail/<user> |
| 04:29.42 | abrotman | jim: sun product? |
| 04:29.45 | pipeline | Little_Dump: use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to change things in debconf, and use "dexconf" to generate a new config file from the values in debconf |
| 04:29.47 | nvz | Luke: you need build-essential kernel-package, and for menuconfig and fakeroot which is what I use to aid my configuration and building you need libncurses5-dev and fakeroot as well. you can type one make-kpkg line and patch, configure and compile and built packages for source, headers, docs, and image all at once |
| 04:29.53 | jim | well, I remember downloading it |
| 04:29.59 | hernan | caphuso: the mail command, for instance |
| 04:30.00 | BBearr | When I boot directly from the hard drive, shouldn't I get a "boot:" prompt? |
| 04:30.07 | jim | I don't remember whether it's a product or not |
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| 04:30.20 | JaMaLz | any one before used jidgo |
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| 04:30.35 | JaMaLz | !dpkg jidgo |
| 04:30.35 | dpkg | [jidgo] spelled correctly jigdo |
| 04:30.47 | JaMaLz | !dpkg jigdo |
| 04:30.48 | dpkg | somebody said jigdo was *the* method for downloading cd images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
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| 04:31.01 | caphuso | hernan: i don't think that the mail command understands Maildir |
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| 04:31.14 | hernan | caphuso: what about pine? |
| 04:31.16 | abrotman | !jigdo |
| 04:31.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, jigdo is *the* method for downloading cd images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 04:31.31 | caphuso | hernan: uh, no idea. i haven't used pine in the last 5 years |
| 04:31.47 | JaMaLz | + abrotman : it's not understandable |
| 04:31.54 | JaMaLz | it's downloading like 100mb |
| 04:31.55 | JeffH- | I'm trying to use WWW::Mechanize::FormFiller to fill out a form and submit it.. but apparently it doesn't do .jsp files.. what other means are available to do this? |
| 04:31.59 | JaMaLz | is that all the dvd ? |
| 04:32.01 | NeoG | gah.. can anyone help me with linuxtv-dvb since no-one is active in their channel |
| 04:32.06 | hernan | caphuso: hah. Squirrelmail keeps saying Query: CREATE "mail/INBOX.Sent" Reason Given: Invalid mailbox name |
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| 04:32.20 | bob2 | JeffH-: #perl |
| 04:32.34 | Little_Dump | pipeline: will that put the file right over my old XF86Config-4? |
| 04:32.44 | JeffH- | ooh, sorry, I thought I was in perl. haha |
| 04:32.45 | caphuso | hernan: hrm... try symlinking Maildir to mail |
| 04:32.49 | abrotman | JaMaLz: dunno |
| 04:32.52 | hernan | caphuso: ok |
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| 04:32.59 | nvz | I would like to setup my irc logs to be dated and rotated each day. I guess I just need a cronjob ? logrotate seems to just count them to a certain number then remove em |
| 04:33.05 | abrotman | .jsp is java |
| 04:33.09 | pipeline | Little_Dump: if you want it to; dexconf -o <foo>, where <foo> is what you want the filename to be |
| 04:33.27 | caphuso | nvz: what client? |
| 04:33.28 | pipeline | Little_Dump: Confusingly, "dexconf" generates a file using the values in debconf, with a b. :P |
| 04:33.28 | Little_Dump | pipeline: thanks alot man |
| 04:33.33 | nvz | caphuso: irssi |
| 04:33.35 | hernan | caphuso: that doesnt really make much sense. sorry |
| 04:33.53 | hernan | caphuso: there's no INBOX.Sent in my mail/ folder anyway |
| 04:33.59 | Little_Dump | pipeline: u have any experience with debian and a ipw2200 centrino wireless card? |
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| 04:34.21 | pipeline | Little_Dump: That's going to be hell. Have fun. |
| 04:34.24 | caphuso | hernan: sorry, no other idea |
| 04:34.33 | hernan | caphuso: then it's time to play around |
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| 04:34.38 | hernan | caphuso: :P |
| 04:34.43 | Little_Dump | pipeline: thanks ;) |
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| 04:35.17 | nvz | in the past I have used a customized elf config, and I just end up with a large irclogs/FN/#debian.log with no real way to tell the date |
| 04:35.30 | caphuso | nvz: try ~/irclogs/$0_${tag}_%F.lo |
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| 04:35.45 | caphuso | nvz: or something like that. the %F is regular strftime format stuff |
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| 04:36.42 | nvz | caphuso: ok. I'll keep that in mind, in case I ever understand. |
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| 04:36.55 | caphuso | nvz: it creates files like ~/irclogs/#debian_freenode_2005-01-31.lo |
| 04:36.57 | caphuso | g |
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| 04:37.12 | Alejandro | caphuso, sorry but I reinstalled and tried again without luck, about the "ping -c1 xxx" i get the 10% package lost error |
| 04:37.15 | nvz | caphuso: I figure, I am just not real keen on irssi programming or perl |
| 04:37.37 | caphuso | nvz: /set autolog_path ~/irclogs/$0_${tag}_%F.lo |
| 04:37.39 | caphuso | g |
| 04:37.40 | caphuso | grrr |
| 04:37.54 | caphuso | no programming necessary |
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| 04:38.36 | caphuso | alejandro_: 10% or 100%? |
| 04:38.59 | caphuso | i somehow doubt that you can lose a tenth of a packet |
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| 04:39.21 | nvz | caphuso: seems too easy, how the hell does setting a variable tell it to create a new log with the date every day heh ;) or is that already what it does, mine just keeps using the same file? |
| 04:39.23 | alejandro_ | damn, 100% i meant |
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| 04:39.52 | caphuso | nvz: ever used date(1)? |
| 04:40.39 | nvz | caphuso: yeah. little bit. I've used date strings for things like samba, and snapshot.debian.net, whatever |
| 04:41.24 | YargoFlick | nvz: take a look at http://irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO#c8 |
| 04:41.54 | caphuso | nvz: it's exactly the same. irssi expands those % stuff like date does, so when you use one that includes the day, irssi will open a new log file at midnight |
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| 04:42.16 | caphuso | nvz: you only have the channel name in there, that's why it doesn't |
| 04:43.01 | nvz | caphuso: hmm thats why I don't understand this stuff, its way easier than I would ever imagine it to be. |
| 04:43.26 | caphuso | kinda like this: date +"#debian.log"; date +"#debian-%F.log" |
| 04:43.41 | caphuso | nvz: hehe |
| 04:44.14 | caphuso | alejandro_: does non-ICMP things work, like accessing a website? |
| 04:44.20 | nvz | YargoFlick: cool, looks like the quick start guide I've glanced at for other things in the past. |
| 04:44.29 | nvz | YargoFlick: says basically what caphuso just said |
| 04:45.09 | alejandro_ | caphuso, no, nothing that has to be with internet....but getting my IP with dhcp works ok O_o |
| 04:45.40 | nvz | its really hard to have learned to use and program computers they hard way then see things done the easy way... you have this natural desire to complicate things |
| 04:45.50 | jasz | caphuso, . i think his problem is with "route" |
| 04:45.56 | caphuso | jasz: i suspect that too |
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| 04:46.11 | alejandro_ | jasz, you are everywhere dude :P |
| 04:46.19 | jasz | i already told him to do "route add default gw <router ip> |
| 04:46.25 | jasz | alejandro_, i'm omnipresent |
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| 04:46.56 | caphuso | but why doesn't the dhcp client take care of that? |
| 04:47.02 | Azar | good night honorables :) |
| 04:47.15 | jasz | caphuso, .. THAT! my friend.. is what I don't know :P |
| 04:47.31 | nvz | Azar: what about everyone in #debian? |
| 04:47.41 | alejandro_ | I don't know, it doesn't work with the net installand the whole cd i downloaded today |
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| 04:47.48 | caphuso | i think we've scared away any honorables long time ago |
| 04:47.52 | nvz | heh |
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| 04:48.18 | ricky_clarkson | !not support |
| 04:48.18 | dpkg | We're already doing our best not to support Debian. To try not to support other distributions too would make #debian trolling /very/ tedious. |
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| 04:48.29 | caphuso | haha |
| 04:48.32 | nvz | !stranger than the people in #debian |
| 04:48.33 | dpkg | I can't tell the difference between than the people in #debian and a stranger, because they just dont get any stranger than than the people in #debian. |
| 04:48.43 | nvz | oops |
| 04:48.44 | ricky_clarkson | I like that, but not enough people ask about Ubuntu and Knoppix when I'm about. |
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| 04:49.21 | nvz | dpkg, stranger the people in #debian |
| 04:49.22 | dpkg | I can't tell the difference between the people in #debian and a stranger, because they just dont get any stranger than the people in #debian. |
| 04:49.25 | caphuso | damnit... my clock tells me that i need to go to bed |
| 04:49.39 | nvz | oh well my head is telling me that. |
| 04:49.40 | ricky_clarkson | My clock is asking me why I wasn't in bed hours ago. |
| 04:49.47 | jasz | caphuso, .. obey your clock |
| 04:49.52 | nvz | my ears are popping and my nose is stuffed up |
| 04:49.55 | alejandro_ | caphuso, jasz, I will try that one and tell you about it, c-ya |
| 04:50.04 | jasz | alejandro_, ... ok |
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| 04:52.19 | caphuso | i can beat that: i've got a barking alarm clock that's going to wake me in approximately 5.5 hours |
| 04:52.40 | nvz | gawd that would not last one alarm with me |
| 04:52.50 | nvz | the redneck katana would put an end to that |
| 04:53.22 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I don't have a talking clock, just fatigue-induced hallucination. |
| 04:54.07 | caphuso | nvz: WTF is a redneck katana? |
| 04:54.10 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I am sure that whole sheet of lsd you took had nothing to do with it :) |
| 04:54.54 | nvz | caphuso: its a piece of wood that is carved like a sword |
| 04:55.28 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I'm on vending-machine fayre. Dr. Pepper and crisps. |
| 04:55.44 | nvz | caphuso: its for the lesser sophisticated rural american ninja |
| 04:56.26 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I just had two squares of supreme pizza and a coca~cola |
| 04:56.39 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: so I can't got to sleep yet.. I gotta digest :P |
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| 04:57.16 | bob2 | caphuso: it's a piece of steel rebar with electrical tape for a handle |
| 04:57.23 | nvz | heh |
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| 04:58.17 | nvz | mine looks just like a real sword, well it did before I broke it several times and had to reshape it with fire and stone :P |
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| 04:58.33 | alejandro_ | well I got something |
| 04:58.42 | jariep1_ | i'm trying to upgrade my system but I'm getting a broken pipe error when upgrading libxv1. How can I resolve this? |
| 04:59.14 | nvz | and its made out of wood, like I said not steel, or else I would not have broken it |
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| 05:01.03 | nvz | it was originally about 3ft.. the "blade" is now like 20-21inches, and the handle is about 8 or 9 inches |
| 05:01.25 | jariep1_ | can somebody help me with a package I'm trying to install? |
| 05:01.30 | bob2 | and IRC finds a new to scare me |
| 05:02.12 | jariep1_ | i'm getting a broken pipe error |
| 05:02.19 | jariep1_ | using apt-get |
| 05:02.19 | gravity | jariep1_: What package? |
| 05:02.32 | jariep1_ | gravity, libxv1 |
| 05:02.39 | NetZwerg | anacron is started by cron? or other, is it possible to do a cron.minutly within /etc/cronttab with the line: 1/1 * * * * * root test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.minutly |
| 05:03.00 | ricky_clarkson | NetZwerg: Every minute? |
| 05:03.02 | NetZwerg | since all lines in there check if there is anacron installed |
| 05:03.12 | NetZwerg | yes every minute |
| 05:03.16 | ricky_clarkson | All *s. |
| 05:03.55 | NetZwerg | 1/1 does every minute too, since 1/2 does every minute |
| 05:04.06 | NetZwerg | its not the syntax im asking about, its anacron |
| 05:04.28 | NetZwerg | 1/2 does every second minute sry |
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| 05:04.55 | jariep1_ | gravity, specifically libxv1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-10_i386.deb |
| 05:05.21 | SexyKen | Would a Celeron 2.0ghz be okay to host a Nagios server that monitors 40+ servers? |
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| 05:06.37 | gravity | jariep1_: That version works fine for me |
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| 05:07.01 | jariep1_ | gravity, that's the package I'm trying to install |
| 05:07.22 | nvz | SexyKen: its okay with me. |
| 05:07.22 | bloodwulf | hey guys how do i install a .SIT file thanks |
| 05:07.24 | jariep1_ | It won't install it , let me post my error message to pastebin |
| 05:07.30 | cafuego | bob2: grammar! |
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| 05:07.34 | NetZwerg | anacron seem to be running max daily |
| 05:07.36 | Alejandro | caphuso, I got the route thing |
| 05:07.38 | bob2 | bloodwulf: you pick one channel, for a start |
| 05:07.42 | bob2 | this is not #ubuntu |
| 05:07.54 | bloodwulf | what |
| 05:07.59 | bloodwulf | i can be in both if i want |
| 05:08.12 | bob2 | lolz kthx |
| 05:08.14 | gravity | bloodwulf: We don't answer ubuntu questions in here |
| 05:08.17 | Alejandro | dpkg, tell Alejandro about paste |
| 05:08.25 | bloodwulf | how is my question a ubuntu question |
| 05:08.39 | asuffield | it's not, that's a sodding macos question |
| 05:08.41 | cafuego | bloodwulf: Also, SIT is a Stuffit file for MacOS. |
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| 05:08.52 | asuffield | which is even more out of the bloody tree |
| 05:08.58 | bloodwulf | ok just wanted to know that |
| 05:09.02 | bloodwulf | didnt know what it was |
| 05:09.12 | cafuego | bloodwulf: Google would have told you fat quicker. |
| 05:09.14 | cafuego | far |
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| 05:09.20 | bloodwulf | not really |
| 05:09.21 | jariep1_ | gravity, it says: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken Pipe) |
| 05:09.24 | cafuego | really |
| 05:09.26 | nvz | bloodwulf: really |
| 05:09.28 | Alejandro | !thanks |
| 05:09.28 | dpkg | de rien, Alejandro |
| 05:09.29 | bloodwulf | nope |
| 05:09.31 | nvz | yup |
| 05:09.32 | bloodwulf | i doubt it |
| 05:09.37 | cafuego | bloodwulf: Coz it doesn't lie, I do. |
| 05:09.40 | gravity | jariep1_: I don't know how you could get that error. Sorry. |
| 05:09.45 | bloodwulf | oh well like i care |
| 05:09.46 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 05:09.51 | bloodwulf | i like to waste your time |
| 05:09.52 | bloodwulf | baha |
| 05:09.56 | bob2 | jariep1_: that's not the error |
| 05:10.01 | bob2 | jariep1_: paste the whole output to #flood |
| 05:10.14 | bloodwulf | damn elitist fools |
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| 05:10.18 | cafuego | bloodwulf: there is no possible way you can waste my time, it only happens when *I* choose to. |
| 05:10.31 | paster | "alejandro_" at 82.181.18.145 pasted ""route" result" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/225 |
| 05:10.45 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.34 | NetZwerg | 1/1 * * * * root run-parts --report /etc/cron.minutly <- why does this not work |
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| 05:12.53 | mwilson | */1, not 1/1 |
| 05:13.02 | mwilson | Not that it's in any way a sane thing to be doing. |
| 05:13.09 | nvz | heh |
| 05:13.29 | NetZwerg | argh * |
| 05:13.36 | ricky_clarkson | NetZwerg: Told you :) |
| 05:13.55 | NetZwerg | no u said only * hrhr but that may be the same right here |
| 05:13.55 | NetZwerg | ;D |
| 05:14.09 | ricky_clarkson | NetZwerg: I don't speak Dutch. |
| 05:14.24 | NetZwerg | me neither |
| 05:14.33 | Thanatermesis | fdisk tanateo:/# fdisk /mbr |
| 05:14.33 | Thanatermesis | Unable to open /mbr |
| 05:14.34 | nvz | looks like Pittsburghese |
| 05:14.38 | Thanatermesis | mi not understand... |
| 05:14.45 | NetZwerg | this does not work within linux |
| 05:14.46 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.54 | NetZwerg | this is the windoof command Thanatermesis |
| 05:14.55 | npx | hehegh |
| 05:14.55 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: Your drive is not called /mbr |
| 05:15.03 | nvz | fdisk /mbr is a Microsoft DOS command |
| 05:15.16 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: Probably fdisk /dev/hda |
| 05:15.35 | jasz | i need a p2p :S |
| 05:15.41 | NetZwerg | probably: lilo or grub-install /dev/hda |
| 05:15.50 | nvz | jasz gift |
| 05:15.55 | Thanatermesis | hummm... |
| 05:15.55 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: I'd recommend setting your root password to something random and forgetting it. |
| 05:16.05 | common | cfdisk |
| 05:16.12 | Thanatermesis | I need to include the bootable disk |
| 05:16.24 | common | cfdisk |
| 05:16.32 | Thanatermesis | I use debootstrap and Im need to include the boot in the mbr |
| 05:16.35 | Thanatermesis | how to use ? |
| 05:16.45 | nvz | jasz: has plugins for many networks like OpenFT, Gnutella, FastTrack(Kazaa)..etc and many clients as well for console, X or even windows |
| 05:16.55 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.12 | spdf | giFTcurses is the best |
| 05:17.18 | nvz | yep |
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| 05:17.34 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: What keeps you up this evening? |
| 05:17.40 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Insomnia. |
| 05:17.51 | BBearr | Speaking of bootloaders, I can't get debian to boot directly from the hard drive. |
| 05:18.04 | spdf | BBearr, using LILO or Grub? |
| 05:18.05 | thomas_adam | BBearr: So configure it properly, then. |
| 05:18.12 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: By Faithless? Yeah, it gets into my head at times too. ;) |
| 05:18.23 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: You're not a fellow short of problems, are you. |
| 05:18.24 | nvz | many things cure insomnia.. Sex, Drugs, Rock And Roll.. |
| 05:18.24 | thomas_adam | That was lame, Clarkson. :) |
| 05:18.32 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Indeed. |
| 05:18.44 | BBearr | using lilo, and I have configured it a couple of times. It's the "properly" that I'm confused about. |
| 05:18.45 | thomas_adam | nvz: Well, Ian Dury tried... |
| 05:18.57 | thomas_adam | BBearr: Did you run /sbin/lilo after each change? |
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| 05:19.06 | Thanatermesis | thomas_adam, I need to install grub in this debootstraped disk ? |
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| 05:19.17 | NetZwerg | somehow i think cron does not read my /etc/crontab |
| 05:19.19 | BBearr | yes, I re-ran lilo. |
| 05:19.21 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Last year of Uni now? |
| 05:19.34 | thomas_adam | NetZwerg: No. Somehow I think you didn't read man 5 crontab. |
| 05:19.46 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Penultimate year. |
| 05:20.11 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: No industrial placement on the cards? |
| 05:20.17 | NetZwerg | thomas_adam, somehow i read it already 5 years ago |
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| 05:20.22 | NetZwerg | and 2 min. ago too |
| 05:20.23 | thd | where is the $MAIL or $MAILDIR environment variable set? |
| 05:20.30 | ricky_clarkson | NetZwerg: crontab -e |
| 05:20.30 | thomas_adam | BBearr: Then you must be the only person on Earth that can't configure lilo correctly. You say you can't boot off your HD, what does LILO tell you when it tries? |
| 05:20.38 | NetZwerg | no crontab -e |
| 05:20.41 | ricky_clarkson | Why? |
| 05:20.44 | NetZwerg | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.47 | thomas_adam | NetZwerg: Don't lie. |
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| 05:20.54 | NetZwerg | stfu th |
| 05:20.56 | ricky_clarkson | NetZwerg: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:21.04 | NetZwerg | i want to run a cron.minutly |
| 05:21.11 | macr0 | hi, I'm trying to package some software in a debian package. The Makefile changes ownership of a directory. However, the ownership does not change in the debian/tmp folder and thus isn't correct when installing the deb package. I've tried using debuild as a regular user and root as well as dpkg-buildpackage. Are there any special "gotchas" with file ownership when building packages? |
| 05:21.12 | ricky_clarkson | minutely |
| 05:21.14 | thomas_adam | That tiny, huh? |
| 05:21.16 | NetZwerg | directory with run-parts, but nothing runs in there |
| 05:21.28 | NetZwerg | it does not matter the name as long as in crontab and name is the same |
| 05:21.35 | nvz | I cant imagine wanting to run anything on any system every minute |
| 05:21.38 | ricky_clarkson | NetZwerg: Why don't you just use crontab? |
| 05:21.41 | Crell42 | Why does Bugzilla in Debian require LDAP? |
| 05:21.41 | thomas_adam | NetZwerg: Let's try this again. |
| 05:21.43 | BBearr | When I boot from the hard drive, instead of the "boot:" prompt, I get "MBR" and then I start getting 01 01 01 01 01 01 page after page after page |
| 05:21.48 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: date -s ;) |
| 05:21.50 | thomas_adam | !01 |
| 05:21.51 | Insane|work | hi guys, ive got a fairly fresh debian stable install, 2.4.20-bf2.4 kernel, the problem is, when i add a user through the adduser command they cannot login via ssh. can anyone help out? |
| 05:22.22 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: heh, whats that poor mans ntpdate? |
| 05:22.25 | NetZwerg | nvz, what about checking some servers if they still run, and not restart them? |
| 05:22.26 | thomas_adam | Insane|work: Odd. |
| 05:22.30 | ricky_clarkson | BBearr: You need to boot from a rescue disk and run lilo (or if you read grub, do something with grub). |
| 05:22.46 | thomas_adam | !tell BBearr -about lost lilo |
| 05:22.59 | macr0 | If I copy the chown command that is displayed when the package is built and run it directly, the permissions do change. |
| 05:23.02 | nvz | NetZwerg: whatever pulls your wagon, seems like it would be annoying |
| 05:23.04 | thomas_adam | Insane|work: Any error messages? |
| 05:23.10 | BBearr | I boot from the rescue disk everytime I boot, because I can't boot from the hard drive... |
| 05:23.17 | Insane|work | the msg on sshing in is: Connection closed by remote host. - it cant be firewall cause root can ssh in |
| 05:23.20 | ricky_clarkson | BBearr: Run lilo |
| 05:23.31 | Insane|work | nothing in any log file that i can find |
| 05:23.38 | NetZwerg | nvz, no its not, i just want this one process to be up all the time, but it shuts down from time to time due to a overflow |
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| 05:23.48 | thomas_adam | Insane|work: You sure you don't have some obscure timeout value in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
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| 05:24.00 | Insane|work | everything in that file is commented out |
| 05:24.05 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Could Insane|work's problem be a shell of /bin/false? |
| 05:24.22 | Insane|work | passwd file says shell is /bin/bash |
| 05:24.27 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Maybe. But adduser's default shell is /bin/bash. |
| 05:24.35 | ricky_clarkson | Right, nm. |
| 05:24.43 | nvz | NetZwerg: you know I recall seeing packages for doing exactly what you described before when I was surfing through my package manager.. I dont recall specifically right now. |
| 05:24.54 | thomas_adam | NetZwerg: adjtimex. |
| 05:24.59 | ricky_clarkson | Insane|work: You could eliminate the firewall from the question by sshing to localhost. |
| 05:25.13 | Insane|work | tried that :/ |
| 05:25.21 | NetZwerg | there are slightly more things able to prevent a user from sshing to a machine: `*` in the crypted pass, nonexisting shell, no-login-user, .... |
| 05:25.22 | thomas_adam | Maybe you firewalled yourself? |
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| 05:25.30 | unStoppable | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.43 | BBearr | Ran lilo (again), get one warning (again) telling me that hdb1 is not on the first drive. I can configure boot drive in BIOS, which is what I do when I try to boot directly from the hard drive. |
| 05:25.53 | Insane|work | i cleared iptables first thing. there should be no firewall on the box anyway :( |
| 05:25.56 | nvz | NetZwerg: rwhod is the first thing that came up just searching my cache now |
| 05:26.13 | Insane|work | NetZwerg: no-login-user ... where can i check that? |
| 05:26.31 | thomas_adam | Insane|work: He knows not of what he speaks. |
| 05:26.58 | Insane|work | lol ok |
| 05:27.06 | Thanatermesis | thomas_adam, I need to install grub in this debootstraped disk ? |
| 05:27.07 | thomas_adam | Insane|work: You can tell sshd to be verbose about its logging. Do so, and restart the daemon and try sshing again. |
| 05:27.13 | nvz | NetZwerg: rwho and rwhod seem to be the client and server for something that monitors network status |
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| 05:27.34 | nvz | if you look hard enough I am sure there are many options |
| 05:27.36 | thomas_adam | Thanatermesis: I wouldn't have thought so, although it depends if the debootstrap installation is of its own mind. |
| 05:27.54 | Alejandro | well, the people who was helping me seems to be gone, so I will try to resume what happens: I have a SiS900 NIC and I use cable modem using DHCP. I downloaded the cd today and installed, but it seems that I can't connect to any server, allways getting a time out. I've tried to ping IP's and some adresses and also my dns servers and allways time out. In the same computer, internet works ok and I don't know why. doing a lsmod | grep 900 I see my |
| 05:27.54 | Alejandro | module. |
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| 05:28.06 | NetZwerg | nvz, sry, not a "server" but a serverprocess ;) some deamon hrhr |
| 05:28.09 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 05:28.13 | thomas_adam | Why, Alejandro -- and I thought you'd trolled your way out of here long ago... |
| 05:28.51 | nvz | thought the package description on rwho says "If no report has been received from a machine for 11 minutes then rwho assumes the machine is down" I would think its flexible |
| 05:28.59 | thomas_adam | Alejandro: I followed your "case" earlier on today. Apart from laughing, I can't see what it is you're worried about. |
| 05:29.00 | Alejandro | thomas_adam, ??what are you talking about? |
| 05:29.25 | npx | Alejandro I had the same problem with my sis900 onboard ethernet and motorola sb5100 cable modem. I ended up just connecting it using USB. |
| 05:29.25 | NetZwerg | 11 minutes is quite too long |
| 05:29.28 | NetZwerg | much too long |
| 05:29.28 | Thanatermesis | thomas_adam, Im installed a SID instalation in one hard-disk for a one machine... I need to make this bootable for use in the another machine |
| 05:29.30 | Alejandro | thomas_adam, maybe because I can't connect? |
| 05:29.30 | da_bon_bon | whats the bestes way to partition and resize non destrcutively ? |
| 05:29.45 | thomas_adam | da_bon_bon: gparted. |
| 05:30.05 | thomas_adam | da_bon_bon: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/ResizingPartitions |
| 05:30.17 | NetZwerg | and to check the total server, i would use my own program, that sends alert right after 20 sec. no data |
| 05:30.26 | da_bon_bon | thomas_adam: gparted just guesses, doesnt resize, right ? |
| 05:30.40 | Alejandro | npx, the problem is that I use a switcher and can't use the usb |
| 05:30.54 | thomas_adam | Thanatermesis: Right, so you can only do that when you have the CD in the new machine, boot from a rescue CD, choot over and run grub-install or whatever. |
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| 05:31.02 | thomas_adam | s/CD/HD/ |
| 05:31.03 | NetZwerg | but the problem is my cron, not the servers ;) so, why is /etc/crontab not read |
| 05:31.14 | thomas_adam | NetZwerg: Because you haven't RTFM. |
| 05:31.27 | thomas_adam | NetZwerg: crontab -l |
| 05:31.32 | thomas_adam | NetZwerg: What do you see? |
| 05:31.45 | YargoFlick | de_bon_bon: parted is good for the console way, qtparted if you need graphics and such. |
| 05:31.46 | BBearr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.49 | Alejandro | npx, and other thig, I was using debian and the switcher connected to the modem (teh same as yours) and it was working ok...now, I don't know |
| 05:32.06 | NetZwerg | thomas_adam, i don't wann f.... edit MY crontab file, i want to edit /etc/crontab |
| 05:32.15 | NetZwerg | thomas_adam, read crontab man yourself second part |
| 05:32.16 | Thanatermesis | thomas_adam, is imposible, the machine is a very old machine and not includes LAN, floopy and cdrom devices, my only metod is extract the hard-disk and put in my computer |
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| 05:32.32 | NetZwerg | ---> every minute var/spool/crontabs are checked AND /etc/crontab |
| 05:32.34 | NetZwerg | ffs |
| 05:32.59 | thomas_adam | NetZwerg: I'm not wasting my time anymore with you... |
| 05:33.03 | thomas_adam | Thanatermesis: Hmm. |
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| 05:33.13 | thomas_adam | Thanatermesis: Then that should be prove interesting... |
| 05:33.34 | NetZwerg | i do not want you to waste your time if your not able to understand the behaviour of crontab as it is described in the manpage |
| 05:33.54 | Insane|work | thomas_adam: I set the LogLevel to DEBUG but im not sure which file ssh will log to, is there a standard one, or is there an easy way to find out? |
| 05:34.15 | Thanatermesis | yes thomas_adam ... is a little dificult... how to make a boot MBR in this disk? :S |
| 05:34.22 | thomas_adam | Insane|work: /var/log/messages |
| 05:34.25 | Insane|work | ty |
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| 05:34.50 | thomas_adam | Thanatermesis: You can't without putting the disk in yout other machine, and running your bootloader from there. |
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| 05:35.16 | Vyrus001 | when i use atem i can highlight text from term and paste it with shift index... but i cant paste it into a gui app "firefox etc..." for some reason there is some other clip board that those apps use, is there a way to change that "so that i can paste aterm output into i.e. xchat?" |
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| 05:35.54 | thomas_adam | Vyrus001: shift index? |
| 05:36.17 | Vyrus001 | thomas_adam|| lol insirt sorry |
| 05:36.18 | Vyrus001 | :P |
| 05:36.52 | Thanatermesis | thomas_adam, how to run a bootloader in the another machine? debootstrap includes the MBR maked? |
| 05:37.08 | thomas_adam | I'm going to bed for all of the 30 mins I have left. |
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| 05:37.15 | NetZwerg | argh, the dot in servercheck.sh is the problem, run-parts does not like dots in the name hrhr, but thomas_adam my crontab in /etc works fine, so you really should read the manpage once more |
| 05:37.45 | nvz | thomas_adam: good luck |
| 05:38.09 | thomas_adam | NetZwerg: Of course, the irony of that is that you found that out, how? By RTFM. |
| 05:38.16 | Psyknight | Was trying to install the Flash plugin on Firefox on a normal user...kept failing for some reason (the automated plugin finder)... I tried running Firefox as root, and it worked fine, and flash worked, but only root can use it |
| 05:38.52 | nvz | 30 minutes of sleep after being up more than 16hours isnt an easy thing to do |
| 05:39.03 | nvz | Psyknight: just install the debian package flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 05:39.18 | YargoFlick | Thanatermesis: I've done this before. I used a machine that could boot from cdrom. Put my hardrive in that machine (making it the only hardrive in that machine), booted with a rescue disk root=/dev/hda1 (or whatever), then setup up and ran lilo to make the mbr on it. Then put the hardive in the machine without any other means of booting. Worked for me. |
| 05:39.29 | nvz | Psyknight: works fine that way. I use flash for the kid to play games on cartoonnetwork.com |
| 05:39.51 | Psyknight | Cool, thanks :D |
| 05:40.12 | NetZwerg | thomas_adam, i read the f.... manual bout 1 hour ago, not AFTER you told this, and the fu... problem was not within cron but wihin run-parts - so stop doing like your god |
| 05:40.14 | NetZwerg | pfft |
| 05:40.15 | thomas_adam | YargoFlick: It's not guaranteed. |
| 05:40.18 | NetZwerg | eod |
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| 05:40.33 | Psyknight | Hmm...apt-get isn't finding it |
| 05:40.34 | zeeble | hi |
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| 05:40.48 | jasz | who told me about gift ? (p2p) |
| 05:40.54 | jasz | !gift |
| 05:40.54 | dpkg | [gift] a modular peer-to-peer file sharing daemon, with plugins for OpenFT and Gnutella, and others unofficially (including FastTrack). Now in sid! ubersimple! See also gift.sourceforge.net and channels #gift and #gift-fasttrack. |
| 05:40.56 | nvz | jasz: I did |
| 05:41.00 | NetZwerg | sry, im a bit aggressive right now |
| 05:41.03 | YargoFlick | thomas_adam: no, you have make sure all your fstab stuff is right, it can get messy. |
| 05:41.03 | Thanatermesis | YargoFlick, the problem is: in my machine not have floopy, cdrom, net, or any another device similar |
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| 05:41.26 | jasz | nvz... i run the daemon.. run the gui.... but i dont seem to connect anywhere... what am i doing wrong? |
| 05:41.33 | Psyknight | Tried 'notfree' as well, no luck |
| 05:41.33 | YargoFlick | Thanatermesis: you only have the one machine? |
| 05:41.35 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: What use will this machine be? |
| 05:41.43 | nvz | jasz: did you install plugins and configure them? |
| 05:41.59 | nvz | jasz: I think it comes with openft plugin as a dependency |
| 05:42.05 | jasz | i apt-got two plugins... gnutella and openft ... but i did not configure anything... |
| 05:42.18 | NetZwerg | Thanatermesis, then you won't get around taking your hd to another pc, booting there and running lilo/grub-install |
| 05:42.21 | nvz | jasz: ok giftd doesnt need to run as root, you run it as a normal user |
| 05:42.34 | jasz | i'm running it with my user.. :) |
| 05:42.40 | nvz | jasz: you need to first run gift-setup as a user to create configs in your homedir |
| 05:42.51 | jasz | nvz, .. i did that too |
| 05:42.55 | jasz | gift-setup |
| 05:42.57 | NetZwerg | there is no way without alternate bootdevices to get into a system wich has no bootloader |
| 05:42.57 | Psyknight | Hmm...anyway I could get the currently installed flash plugin on root to work on my normal user? |
| 05:43.09 | Alejandro | jasz, go to #debian-es |
| 05:43.11 | Thanatermesis | no YargoFlick , Im have 3 machines |
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| 05:43.15 | nvz | jasz: there is a failsafe at the top, it sets a var to 0 to make sure you looked at your config |
| 05:43.17 | ignatius | hey |
| 05:43.25 | zeeble | heh |
| 05:43.26 | zeeble | yeah |
| 05:43.29 | ricky_clarkson | #debian-es es muy bueno. |
| 05:43.35 | Thanatermesis | ricky_clarkson, is a old machine Im buyed and like to install a good debian |
| 05:43.39 | zeeble | and then use a nice client like giftoxic or appolon |
| 05:43.49 | jasz | hm... but the daemon starts.. isnt that a sign that i went through the config ? |
| 05:43.54 | nvz | zeeble: go to hell ;) |
| 05:44.02 | zeeble | nvz: :D |
| 05:44.12 | Alejandro | ricky_clarkson, asi es :) |
| 05:44.13 | nvz | zeeble: the frontends havent touched giFTcurs |
| 05:44.21 | Thanatermesis | Netminder, chroot + grub-install /dev/device ? |
| 05:44.23 | zeeble | nvz: gooeey babye :p |
| 05:44.36 | NetZwerg | ic, your on the system |
| 05:44.40 | jasz | nvz, .. it is a 1 |
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| 05:44.55 | nvz | jasz: kill it and run it without the -d and see what the hell it says to ya :P |
| 05:44.55 | NetZwerg | chroot /your/hd/moutpoint /bin/bash |
| 05:45.00 | NetZwerg | grub-install |
| 05:45.05 | gberardi | I just noticed that I can't get to packages.debian.org. Someone told me it was like this since Friday. |
| 05:45.15 | thomas_adam | gberardi: /topic |
| 05:45.33 | thomas_adam | Insane|work: Keep me posted, if you wouldn't mind... |
| 05:45.35 | gberardi | thomas_adam: thanks |
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| 05:46.03 | Psyknight | Eh :| |
| 05:46.19 | ignatius | dang |
| 05:46.27 | ignatius | I need to install something, but I can't |
| 05:46.28 | ignatius | that sucks |
| 05:46.39 | ignatius | how nice of debian to just sort of decide to go down for the weekend |
| 05:46.42 | Psyknight | Woot, found a mirror or something |
| 05:46.43 | Insane|work | thomas_adam: i have LogLevel DEBUG3, tail -f /var/log/auth.log ... lots of scrolling while trying to log in, but the only thing that i can tell from it all is that it is looking for PAM authentication...seems to be finding it too..i dont know anything about PAM so yeah... |
| 05:46.44 | thomas_adam | ignatius: Use a mirror. |
| 05:46.48 | jasz | nvz, .. i was running it without the -d option.. |
| 05:46.52 | thomas_adam | ignatius: It was announced some time ahead. |
| 05:46.52 | ignatius | thomas_adam: you know a mirror for alioth? |
| 05:46.53 | nvz | ignatius: don't be silly |
| 05:47.03 | ignatius | meh. Not good enough. |
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| 05:47.20 | ignatius | so anyway |
| 05:47.22 | nvz | jasz: well? what the hell does it say? |
| 05:47.32 | jasz | OpenFT: ft_openft.c:257(openft_start): Booya! OpenFT in the house! |
| 05:47.32 | jasz | [00:44:44] *** GIFT-ERROR: OpenFT: Unable to load OpenFT configuration: No such file or directory |
| 05:47.41 | ignatius | anyway |
| 05:47.52 | ignatius | does anyone know an alioth mirror? |
| 05:47.55 | nvz | jasz: then you didnt set it up right |
| 05:47.59 | pjz | how do I install qmailo? |
| 05:48.01 | nvz | jasz: run gift-setup |
| 05:48.07 | jasz | lemme do that again then.. |
| 05:48.09 | nvz | jasz: choose OpenFT:Gnutella |
| 05:48.10 | thomas_adam | s/right$/at all\./ |
| 05:48.16 | nvz | jasz: its case sensitive |
| 05:48.17 | pjz | I try and I get 'qmail conflicts with mail-transport-agent' |
| 05:48.28 | Psyknight | What do I install .deb files with? |
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| 05:48.43 | thomas_adam | Psyknight: dpkg -i |
| 05:48.46 | Psyknight | k, thx |
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| 05:48.51 | thomas_adam | lol, np. |
| 05:48.53 | pjz | 'exim4-daemon-light provides mail-transport-agent and is installed.' |
| 05:49.11 | thomas_adam | pjz: So remove exim4-daemon-light, if you want qmail. |
| 05:49.12 | pjz | psyknight: dpkg --install if you want to be more verbose :) |
| 05:49.39 | tolecnal | Anyone know why the package 'nvidia-glx' was removed from the repository? And what you are supposed to do know that the package is gone, as the nvidia kernel module fails to load when you don't have it present? |
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| 05:49.56 | Psyknight | Ah, apt-get is teh broke as well... =( |
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| 05:50.12 | Psyknight | Any specific reason for the downtime? |
| 05:50.14 | ricky_clarkson | What an amazing nick, FraudulentPeanut |
| 05:50.15 | NetZwerg | Insane|work, check if in /etc/shadow the second field of your user does not be "!" or ahve an * inside |
| 05:50.18 | Psyknight | Planets not aligned? |
| 05:50.22 | pjz | thomas_adam: bunch of stuff depends on mai-transport-agent |
| 05:50.31 | da_bon_bon | iis debian this big that sarge needs two dvd to fit ? |
| 05:50.33 | ricky_clarkson | Psyknight: Debian was becoming too popular; we had to do something. |
| 05:50.46 | jasz | nvz, .. i think it's working.. lemme check something |
| 05:50.48 | ricky_clarkson | da_bon_bon: You don't need all of that, you only need the 1st CD. |
| 05:50.51 | thomas_adam | Insane|work: It might be PAM, I'm checking now. As before, disregard NetZwerg's comment... |
| 05:50.55 | pjz | thomas_adam: so you can't do a remove and then install, you have to do it all in one operation |
| 05:50.56 | Psyknight | Heh |
| 05:50.56 | NetZwerg | kk |
| 05:51.07 | NetZwerg | did not read the part about PAM ;) |
| 05:51.09 | thomas_adam | pjz: apt-get remove exim4-whatever qmail+ |
| 05:51.21 | NetZwerg | but checking does not matter ;) |
| 05:51.42 | da_bon_bon | ricky_clarkson: i have a dvd containing 6616 packages, and a damn slow net. then i think i need both the dvds ? |
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| 05:52.07 | pjz | `thomas_adam the qmail package is just a .deb sitting in front of me, I need to do it with dpkg |
| 05:52.07 | ricky_clarkson | da_bon_bon: You could look to see what's on them. |
| 05:52.27 | jasz | !lol |
| 05:52.27 | dpkg | well, lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 05:52.27 | thomas_adam | Insane|work: Can you put your /etc/pam.d/ssh file somewhere for me to see it? |
| 05:52.36 | ricky_clarkson | da_bon_bon: I'd imagine the DVDs will be arranged in a similar way to the CDs - the essential one first. |
| 05:52.51 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 05:52.51 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
| 05:53.00 | da_bon_bon | ricky_clarkson: ok, i am thinking of installing debian today. any special instructions ? |
| 05:53.29 | ricky_clarkson | da_bon_bon: Not from me. I only install Debian about once every 2 years. |
| 05:53.47 | da_bon_bon | ricky_clarkson: how come ? |
| 05:53.56 | ricky_clarkson | Because I don't fuck things up much. |
| 05:54.09 | mwilson | Ahem |
| 05:54.11 | vulture | ricky_clarkson: why every two years though? |
| 05:54.15 | mwilson | Taking my name in vain. |
| 05:54.16 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, I installed Debian twice last year. |
| 05:54.18 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Really? And you live oop North, still? |
| 05:54.32 | ricky_clarkson | On two different machines though. |
| 05:54.35 | vulture | I've had this install for.. 2.5 years or thereabouts |
| 05:54.36 | pjz | I only install debian when i get a new machine |
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| 05:54.45 | ricky_clarkson | vulture: Because that tends to be the life cycle of when I get a new machine. |
| 05:54.46 | pjz | I've got one install that's been around for almost 10 years |
| 05:54.46 | da_bon_bon | ricky_clarkson: ok.. how do i do a complete system upgarde of all installed packages ? |
| 05:54.48 | vulture | ricky_clarkson: yeah, I've more recently installed on another box, but my original is still going |
| 05:54.54 | ricky_clarkson | da_bon_bon: apt-get upgrade |
| 05:54.57 | pw | ricky_clarkson: whereabouts oop north? |
| 05:55.03 | ricky_clarkson | pw: Manchester. |
| 05:55.04 | vulture | ricky_clarkson: yeah, I haven't got a new box yet, it's coming soon but the debian box will probably become my gateway |
| 05:55.05 | pw | <-- oop North, also |
| 05:55.07 | pjz | da_bon_bon: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 05:55.12 | NetZwerg | where are the good old times of Debian Bo ... |
| 05:55.13 | pw | ricky_clarkson: I'm the other side of the pennines, then |
| 05:55.18 | ricky_clarkson | pw: Ugh. ;) |
| 05:55.18 | Insane|work | thomas_adam: sorry to waste your time, found the problem was permissions of 770 on /bin/bash...someone else must have changed them cause i didnt :( |
| 05:55.20 | da_bon_bon | ricky_clarkson: some people say "dist-upgrade".. whats the difference ? |
| 05:55.23 | ricky_clarkson | pw: Whereabouts? |
| 05:55.27 | tolecnal | No one knows why the 'nvidia-glx' was removed from the repository? Cause without it, I can't use the nvidia driver, which in terms means I have no accelerated graphics nor do I have OpenGL support which is rather annoying. |
| 05:55.28 | thomas_adam | Insane|work: chkrootkit. |
| 05:55.28 | pw | ricky_clarkson: Teesside |
| 05:55.30 | ricky_clarkson | da_bon_bon: documented very clearly in the man page. |
| 05:55.39 | thomas_adam | Insane|work: That sounds like a bad thing (tm). |
| 05:55.41 | Insane|work | wasnt until i tried su <user> that i saw the msg of no shell... |
| 05:55.43 | ricky_clarkson | pw: Is that the East coast? |
| 05:55.44 | pw | Just on the edge of the North Yorkshire moors. |
| 05:55.44 | Insane|work | lol |
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| 05:55.51 | pw | ricky_clarkson: yeah, tis pretty here. |
| 05:55.59 | thomas_adam | pw: I used to holiday in Ingleton, as a wee bairn. |
| 05:56.14 | ricky_clarkson | pw: I've been to Newcastle once, but other than that I've not ventured over there. |
| 05:56.16 | jasz | sweet.. gift is running |
| 05:56.19 | pjz | tolecnal: probably some kind of licensing tiff |
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| 05:56.42 | ricky_clarkson | Probably Chesterfield is the closest I've been in the last couple of years. |
| 05:56.43 | da_bon_bon | ricky_clarkson: as if i can see the man page in fedora. |
| 05:56.45 | mwilson | tolecnal: nvidia-glx hasn't been removed from anywhere. |
| 05:56.47 | nvz | jasz: you can get a kazaa plugin too /msg dpkg fasttrack |
| 05:56.49 | BucWheat | hi all i'm using debian for arm processor and i've noticed some of the packages in apt-get are old |
| 05:57.00 | nvz | jasz: anytime you add plugins you can just run gift-setup again to make a config for them |
| 05:57.05 | jasz | nvz, .. how about bittorrent ? |
| 05:57.07 | mwilson | BucWheat: Define "old". |
| 05:57.12 | ricky_clarkson | da_bon_bon: If you've no Debian system to upgrade right now, you've no reason to look at it :) |
| 05:57.13 | BucWheat | how can i get newer packages ? for example gnuplot is 3.7 with apt-get and the current release level is 4.0 ? |
| 05:57.20 | pw | thomas_adam: near Darlington? |
| 05:57.23 | ricky_clarkson | BucWheat: apt-get install gnuplot |
| 05:57.24 | BucWheat | mwilson see above |
| 05:57.27 | tolecnal | mwilson: well can you then please tell me why I can't install it via apt-get? |
| 05:57.28 | da_bon_bon | ricky_clarkson: cant u jsut tell ? |
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| 05:57.35 | mwilson | BucWheat: And are you using stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 05:57.37 | BucWheat | ricky_clarkson it only installs v3.7 |
| 05:57.43 | ricky_clarkson | da_bon_bon: upgrade will not install any new packages. |
| 05:57.47 | BucWheat | mwilson letme check sources hld on |
| 05:57.51 | thomas_adam | pw: On Ingleborough's doorstep. It has the 'Waterfall Walk'. |
| 05:57.52 | mwilson | How can you not know? |
| 05:58.02 | nvz | jasz: I dont see how you could get a bittorrent plugin that. |
| 05:58.06 | da_bon_bon | ricky_clarkson: then whats the use of upgrade ? |
| 05:58.08 | ricky_clarkson | BucWheat: Maybe your Debian version doesn't have the required version yet, or maybe you didn't run apt-get update |
| 05:58.11 | pw | ricky_clarkson: It's cool over here, but it rains a lot and the wind blows down across the north sea direct from Spitzbergen |
| 05:58.11 | BucWheat | mwilson stable |
| 05:58.23 | mwilson | BucWheat: The version of gnuplot in stable *is* 3.7 |
| 05:58.44 | BucWheat | mwilson well on gnuplots website they say the stable version is 4.0 |
| 05:58.57 | pw | thomas_adam: Ah, I know where you mean |
| 05:59.03 | mwilson | BucWheat: Which really has zero to do with the version that is in Debian Stable. |
| 05:59.04 | pw | right over on the western edge of N Yorks |
| 05:59.05 | tolecnal | mwilson: E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate |
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| 05:59.12 | tolecnal | mwilson: and I |
| 05:59.27 | tolecnal | mwilson: and I'm running debian testing (sorry for the half repeat) |
| 05:59.35 | BucWheat | mwilson ok, so how can i find out if unstable has 4.0 ? |
| 06:00.01 | pjz | BucWheat: go look in the repository |
| 06:00.03 | NeoG | anyone had any experience with linuxtv-dvb |
| 06:00.03 | mwilson | tolecnal: nvidia-glx is and has always been in non-free. Are you searching non-free? |
| 06:00.13 | jasz | :) |
| 06:00.19 | pjz | Buckwheat or go look at packages.debian.org for the package in question in the unstable or testing distro |
| 06:00.33 | BucWheat | k. i'm doing so now |
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| 06:01.00 | tolecnal | mwilson: yes, as far as I can see from /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:02.01 | BucWheat | pjz seems to be down. packages.debian.org |
| 06:02.12 | mwilson | !topicsmite BucWheat |
| 06:02.12 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon BucWheat. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:02.17 | nvz | pjz, BucWheat /topic |
| 06:02.22 | cat | debian.org is down i believe |
| 06:02.31 | mwilson | cat: You'd be wrong. |
| 06:02.36 | nvz | mwilson: pjz told BucWheat to look there |
| 06:03.08 | BucWheat | hehe |
| 06:03.31 | mwilson | Huh, that's bizzarre... the only thing in the available file NOW is nvidia-kernel-common |
| 06:03.37 | BucWheat | well there goes looking for gnuplot v.4.0 then :) |
| 06:03.38 | mwilson | On my testing box. |
| 06:03.47 | nvz | !info gnuplot |
| 06:03.51 | dpkg | gnuplot: (A command-line driven interactive plotting program), section math, is optional. Version: 4.0.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 06:03.57 | nvz | BucWheat: ^ |
| 06:04.01 | nvz | whoo haa |
| 06:04.03 | BucWheat | nvz but is it for ARM arch. |
| 06:04.14 | nvz | huh? |
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| 06:04.35 | BucWheat | nvz i need a source to apt-get it for arm architecture |
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| 06:04.45 | nvz | oh |
| 06:04.51 | tolecnal | mwilson: it does search in non-free as well, but the strange thing is that when I do a 'apt-cache search nvidia', the 'nvidia-glx' package doesn't turn up. But shows information when I do a 'apt-cache show nvidia-glx'. |
| 06:05.43 | nvz | BucWheat: I dont know jack about that :P what the hell you got with an ARM cpu that you can apt-get with? |
| 06:05.56 | BucWheat | nvz can or can't ? |
| 06:06.10 | nvz | BucWheat: what is this device you are running debian on? |
| 06:06.22 | BucWheat | nvz www.embeddedarm.com |
| 06:06.28 | BucWheat | nvz the 7200 board |
| 06:07.00 | mwilson | Hm, looking at Ronald's page, it's now nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 06:07.19 | nvz | BucWheat: nice :) |
| 06:07.32 | zeeble | Hi. To install a fresh Debian on Thinkpad t41, what's a good disk to start with? sarge/d-i netinstall with 2.6.x? |
| 06:07.51 | nvz | BucWheat: I want to start playing with stuff like that, I just got to figure out how to he the equipment to pay for itself |
| 06:08.10 | nvz | I.e. it has to make money |
| 06:08.12 | svref | I have a file on HD and I want it to pretend to be a device. How do I do it? (The file is a copy of a DVD, and I want to play it with Totem) |
| 06:08.38 | mwilson | tolecnal: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 06:08.46 | slackd0Od | zeeble: yes, thats perfect |
| 06:08.48 | BucWheat | nvz thanks. yea i know what you mean. no money is a problem |
| 06:08.48 | slackd0Od | = ) |
| 06:09.15 | BucWheat | mwilson since the site is down how can i search for gnuplot4.0 for arm arch. ? |
| 06:09.51 | svref | Arrr! Why am I always ignored on #debian? Do I have bad breath? |
| 06:10.15 | NobleArc | Yes, svref. |
| 06:10.16 | zeeble | slackd0Od: yeah, thanks. moving from 2.4.x to 2.6.x, so why not fresh |
| 06:10.19 | nvz | BucWheat: I got this Nomad here.. its got what looks to be an Arm 7 with USB, Mini IDE, Emu10k1.. etc I dont know if any of it is useful though |
| 06:10.58 | drac | svref: at least gxine can play like.. gxine dvd:///home/yourdirectory/dvd/ |
| 06:11.01 | fooz | porting linux to nomad? |
| 06:11.06 | BucWheat | nvz you going to try to put debian on an mp3 player ? |
| 06:11.19 | fooz | that would be cool |
| 06:11.28 | fooz | BucWheat, they already did it with the ipod |
| 06:11.57 | nvz | BucWheat: I just save any parts I think might be useful. I'd like to get into designing and programming embedded linux stuff |
| 06:13.15 | BucWheat | fooz coolness |
| 06:13.42 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro you around ? |
| 06:13.53 | JaMaLz | Merging parts from `file:' URIs, if any... |
| 06:13.53 | JaMaLz | Found 0 of the 6736 files required by the template |
| 06:13.53 | JaMaLz | Will not create image or temporary file - try again with different input files |
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| 06:15.23 | BucWheat | nvz that is wise. embedded stuff is fun i've learned alot since i started |
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| 06:16.25 | cg0def | where do you setup the init config in debian? |
| 06:16.27 | nvz | BucWheat: yeah I figure the only way to learn is to give it a go.. I just like to know where I am going first. heh I don't know enough to device a clear plan yet |
| 06:16.39 | svref | drac: thanks! |
| 06:17.02 | nvz | I havent visioned enough, or done any research about costs of realizing those visions |
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| 06:18.45 | BucWheat | nvz i can understand that. no need in spending money if you don't know what you are spending it for :) |
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| 06:21.06 | nvz | I should look up an old friend and finally answer his question he once asked me.. about building a robot. |
| 06:21.45 | BucWheat | that would be a nice project |
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| 06:22.42 | hernan | Do I really need named running if my domain records are stored in a public dynamic dns server? |
| 06:22.42 | Luke | jim: you here? |
| 06:22.57 | Luke | jim: could you give me those bz2 uncompressing flags? |
| 06:23.12 | drac | luke: bunzip2 file.bz2 |
| 06:23.19 | NobleArc | lol. |
| 06:23.20 | nvz | I could easily get together a small team.. I know two veteran elecrical geniuses that would be interested, as well as a friend studying physics |
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| 06:23.30 | Luke | drac: its a .tar.bz2 |
| 06:23.49 | NobleArc | tar xvjf file.tar.bz2 |
| 06:23.50 | drac | luke: tar xfjv file.tar.bz2 |
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| 06:24.32 | Luke | drac: thanks |
| 06:24.38 | drac | luke: I remember telling you this second time today, please take notes, and read 'man' pages. |
| 06:25.29 | hernan | Can somebody tell me what this could possibly mean?: |
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| 06:25.35 | hernan | Warning: session_start(): open(/var/lib/php4/sess_69e2c767a1b412bcabd984433b4acb9b, O_RDWR) failed: Permission denied (13) in /usr/share/squirrelmail/src/redirect.php on line 48 |
| 06:25.46 | cg0def | how do you change the init process |
| 06:25.54 | mwilson | You don't. |
| 06:25.55 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians. |
| 06:26.01 | cg0def | I can't seem to find any of the config files |
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| 06:26.36 | Luke | mwilson: hey =) |
| 06:26.39 | NetZwerg | hernan, the apacheprocess does not have Read-Write rights to the file mentioned after open( |
| 06:26.51 | SlayerXP | mwilson: did you know that most keyboards harbour more bacteria than a toilet seat. |
| 06:27.12 | hernan | NetZwerg: what would that file be? every time i refresh, it has a different random name |
| 06:27.19 | NobleArc | SlayerXP: Wow. |
| 06:27.45 | NetZwerg | guess thats the session_file, and i guess there is now writeaccess to the directory for the apacheprocess |
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| 06:27.54 | SlayerXP | NobleArc: I make a point of buying a new keyboard 2-3 times a year :) |
| 06:28.06 | mwilson | SlayerXP: I believe it. |
| 06:28.08 | NobleArc | SlayerXP: llol, I just bought a new one yesterday. |
| 06:28.10 | NobleArc | *lol |
| 06:28.17 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.19 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.25 | NetZwerg | slackd0Od, you are not supposed to eat it, just write on it ;) |
| 06:28.29 | NobleArc | SlayerXP: I can't stand the Microsoft Natural Keyboard that came with my comp. |
| 06:28.35 | NobleArc | ...mostly because of the MS logo. |
| 06:28.36 | NetZwerg | sry |
| 06:28.39 | slackd0Od | what |
| 06:28.40 | NetZwerg | SlayerXP, |
| 06:28.41 | NetZwerg | ;) |
| 06:28.45 | mwilson | It's a bloody logo. Who cares? |
| 06:28.46 | SlayerXP | i like MS keyboards and mice |
| 06:28.47 | slackd0Od | = ) |
| 06:28.48 | d0ugie | my college lets us store data to access remotely via some VPN deal, Windows setup.. What I'd like to do is mount my directory on that machine remotely on my Debian box so that I can serve stuff from that server through mine and onto the web.. is that relatively possible? |
| 06:28.55 | NobleArc | I also didn't like the big curve at the bottom.. |
| 06:29.01 | NobleArc | I can't stand keyboards that claim to be ergonomic. |
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| 06:29.11 | NobleArc | Hand me a plain keyboard from an old Tandy any day, and I'll party. |
| 06:29.16 | SlayerXP | though the logitech mx1000 has overcome my long standing affinity to ms intellimouse explorers |
| 06:29.33 | NobleArc | I have an MS mouse, It rocks. |
| 06:29.37 | zeeble | NobleArc: old tandy days? how old are you? |
| 06:29.41 | NobleArc | lol. |
| 06:29.43 | NetZwerg | i prefer microkeyboards with gold-caps |
| 06:29.46 | jim | d0ugie: seems so, if the protocol used by the school is open |
| 06:29.46 | NobleArc | I have six tandys, zeebs. |
| 06:29.46 | SlayerXP | NobleArc: try the mx1000 |
| 06:29.53 | NobleArc | I'm too cheap, SlayerXP. |
| 06:30.04 | nvz | I use the Microsoft Intellimouse Basic ever since they started shipping.. they are cheap and reliable |
| 06:30.05 | zeeble | NobleArc: you sound like a 14 year old. |
| 06:30.14 | NobleArc | six tandys, an Apple ][+, //c, a few other no-name clones, et al. |
| 06:30.19 | NobleArc | that's nice, zeebs. |
| 06:30.36 | jim | zeeble: you can hear him through this?! wow... irc has improved! |
| 06:30.37 | SlayerXP | i'm just waiting for someone to make a half decent wireless keyboard |
| 06:30.40 | NobleArc | My mouse claims to be a WheelMouse Optical.. *looks at label* |
| 06:30.52 | NobleArc | lol, jim. |
| 06:30.58 | zeeble | jim: heh |
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| 06:31.09 | NobleArc | Me and zeebsie go waaay back... like.. a month! ;-) |
| 06:31.14 | JaMaLz | can i use the sarge netinstall , with woody cds ? |
| 06:31.18 | roman | hi everybody. |
| 06:31.29 | NetZwerg | on mice, the new logitech M-BJ58 Wheel Mouse is really nice |
| 06:31.31 | nvz | I like my wireless keyboard/mouse, thought the damn Multimedia Keys dont work |
| 06:31.41 | jim | JaMaLz: no |
| 06:31.43 | mwilson | That's usually not hard to fix. |
| 06:31.54 | NetZwerg | nvz, they do |
| 06:31.56 | mwilson | Especially if you have a decent keygrabber. |
| 06:32.02 | hernan | I just gave 777 access to my /var/php4/ folder, is that unsafe? |
| 06:32.13 | nvz | I dont know what it is with some keyboards not reporting any keycodes for those extra keys |
| 06:32.15 | d0ugie | to hang onto the same 192.168.xx IP from my simple lynksys router, would simply putting that ip in the /etc/hosts work or do i need to tweak stuff on the router itself? seems debian says hi to the dhcp every 3000 seconds and often gets a new one.. |
| 06:32.16 | jim | is it exposed to the internet? |
| 06:32.18 | NetZwerg | nvz, get hotkeys and xbindkeys |
| 06:32.21 | SlayerXP | oh, we do all know that ATI finally go round to releasing 64 bit linux drivers for their graphics cards, don't we? |
| 06:32.30 | mwilson | nvz: You have to put the keyboard into the right mode. |
| 06:32.38 | SlayerXP | still proprietry, but at least they're actually out now |
| 06:32.39 | mwilson | SlayerXP: Now ask us all if we care. |
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| 06:33.07 | jim | you have to have a 64b machine for that, right? |
| 06:33.08 | SlayerXP | mwilson: well, I care. a single voice in an ocean of noncaringness. |
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| 06:33.20 | nvz | mwilson: how the hell do I put my keyboard into a mode? |
| 06:33.24 | d0ugie | SlayerXP: If you're interested in sound or video, you should not be running Debian. |
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| 06:33.31 | mwilson | nvz: You don't. The kernel does. |
| 06:33.33 | NetZwerg | nvz, this two programs allow you to put commands to your hotkeys. I have them running and use it for xmms-control, running shells, etc. |
| 06:33.41 | mwilson | nvz: Or an application program does. |
| 06:33.46 | SlayerXP | d0ugie: ut2k4 runs equally well under linux and windows on my machine. |
| 06:33.52 | nvz | mwilson: oh, of course, why would an idiot like me do it.. thats what the kernel is for |
| 06:33.54 | NetZwerg | nvz, xbindkeys + hotkeys |
| 06:33.56 | jim | nvz: open the mode with its paper handles, place keyboard in mode, close mode. |
| 06:33.58 | d0ugie | slayer buddy, j/k back there |
| 06:34.02 | trogger | how bad is it having 32 MB for a debian server running, for example, exim4, apache, php, dns server? |
| 06:34.06 | roman | saoud and video, no Debian? why? |
| 06:34.07 | NobleArc | eh, ut2k4 wont work in Debian for me. |
| 06:34.18 | NobleArc | it worked in Fedora, and Ubuntu.. but not Debian. |
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| 06:34.28 | SlayerXP | NobleArc: sounds like pilot error to me |
| 06:34.31 | d0ugie | trogger, just go trashin' and get a 400MB hd |
| 06:34.33 | NobleArc | ah buh? |
| 06:34.35 | NobleArc | :P |
| 06:34.37 | nvz | NetZwerg: I know about hotkeys already, I looked at xbindkeys.. what do I have to do to figure out the keycodes to give to these? they report no keycodes with xev |
| 06:34.41 | jim | roman: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 06:34.46 | trogger | d0ugie: RAM, I mean |
| 06:34.48 | NobleArc | It only works as root, which is so scary, that it hurts. |
| 06:34.53 | jim | roman: /msg dpkg cooperation in asking for help |
| 06:34.58 | NobleArc | and don't ask /why/ I know it works as root. |
| 06:34.59 | mwilson | xev doesn't see them, or there's no keycodes? |
| 06:35.05 | NetZwerg | there is a config tool for X, xbindkeys-config i guess, it autoscans on keypress. |
| 06:35.17 | d0ugie | ahh well go for it just don't run much else beyond those daemons |
| 06:35.23 | roman | hi Jim. |
| 06:35.31 | d0ugie | give yourself a nice big swap |
| 06:35.37 | nvz | xev is the only tool I know for listening for input. and it shows nothing when I press any of them |
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| 06:35.44 | SlayerXP | trogger: memory is cheap, go buy a gig or two. |
| 06:35.49 | d0ugie | trogger: or install minix |
| 06:36.03 | jim | and btw, not me personally... I may or may not know the answer to your question, once properly formed... |
| 06:36.13 | d0ugie | slayer: i think he's into the badassness of running a server on that kind of ram. |
| 06:36.18 | trogger | I'm thinking of getting a tiny embedded silent computer |
| 06:36.25 | trogger | --> ram is expensive :( |
| 06:36.26 | NetZwerg | nvz, does xev support multibyecodes? |
| 06:36.46 | roman | not anymore, ebay... |
| 06:36.47 | jim | trogger: try pricing 256mb of mag core mem |
| 06:36.49 | NetZwerg | nvz, since hotkeys are not in one-byte-codes, but multi it has to ;) |
| 06:36.59 | trogger | jim heh, nice |
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| 06:37.15 | jim | we've come a long way baybee |
| 06:37.27 | jim | to get where we got to today |
| 06:37.30 | nvz | NetZwerg: no idea, I know on my one laptop I had MM keys working, I used XEV and it gave me 3 digit numbers to put in xml keymaps for hotkeys |
| 06:37.32 | Xemacs__ | ram is cheaper then my time !! |
| 06:37.33 | NetZwerg | nvz, xev does not react to my hotkeys, but xbindkeys-config does |
| 06:37.43 | trogger | it could be a particular problem because the swap partition will be flash - and I don't want to kill the flash |
| 06:37.47 | nvz | NetZwerg: most of the keyboards I have seen recently do not show anything |
| 06:37.52 | Tabitha | hi all.. got a question regarding the eventual migration process from stable->testing. I currently run a server with debian stable and am concerned about what will be involved once sarge becomes stable. If I were to migrate the stable server to testing now, would I be able to switch back to stable when sarge becomes stable? |
| 06:38.10 | SlayerXP | Tabitha: no. |
| 06:38.18 | d0ugie | trogger: i'm seeing a 512 meg PC133 SDRAM chip on pricewatch for $32 |
| 06:38.28 | nvz | NetZwerg: cool I will look into that tomorrow, my uncle has volume buttons on the side of his notebook I he would like to use for his volume |
| 06:38.32 | mwilson | Tabitha: Why would you need to switch anything? You'd already be running stable. |
| 06:38.38 | trogger | yeah, but this thing has ram soldered directly onto its board (embeddedx86.com) |
| 06:38.42 | roman | I use a Sharp Actuis PC-RD10 Laptop with Debian, and it works great, wireless, full mouse, all buttons. |
| 06:38.46 | difeta | hey all! is there a way to show a background image when grub is in hiddenmenu mode.. ie there is not a list of kernels to boot? |
| 06:38.47 | jim | trogger: look into forth and arm7tdmi development boards |
| 06:38.53 | SlayerXP | Tabitha: oh hang on, you mean you want to sit on sarge until sarge becomes stable and _then_ stick on stable |
| 06:38.55 | mwilson | Tabitha: Do think about what you're saying. |
| 06:38.57 | trogger | jim: will do |
| 06:39.03 | edward_ | morning... |
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| 06:39.20 | trogger | edward_ evenin :) |
| 06:39.20 | BucWheat | trogger i have had their x86 boards and arms and they are nice |
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| 06:39.33 | trogger | BucWheat: yeah? what did you use them for? |
| 06:39.36 | Tabitha | mwilson: Well, a new application we're rolling out requires a newer version of php than is provided with stable, so I'm thinking of the possibility of going to testing to get that newer version. I realize backports are available, but would this ease the transition? |
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| 06:39.43 | edward_ | trogger, well. it's almost 08:00 in Holland |
| 06:39.57 | Tabitha | SlayerXP: Yes, move to sarge and stick with it when it's stable. |
| 06:40.03 | jim | really small, forth would be on the chip, ram is on the chip too, just no devices... but some companies put out an arm7tdmi with some adcs and dacs... could use it in cell phones and such |
| 06:40.04 | SlayerXP | Tabitha: yes, you can do that. |
| 06:40.15 | trogger | edward_: ah, I've already done the whole Monday thing already... nearly 8pm in NZ :) |
| 06:40.30 | BucWheat | trogger control system applications |
| 06:40.39 | Xemacs__ | Tabitha, there may be a back port of the application to stable ? what is the application |
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| 06:40.46 | jim | Tabitha: the way to do that is put "sarge" in appropriate places in your sources.list |
| 06:40.50 | Tabitha | SlayerXP: Is there a horrifying reason why I wouldn't want to? :) |
| 06:41.03 | trogger | BucWheat: ah. I'm wanting to use it as a debian / *nix server - a bit different really :) |
| 06:41.10 | Tabitha | Xemacs__: Custom php applications. |
| 06:41.20 | jim | it will continue getting sarge after it's released because the releases don't lose their codename just because of release |
| 06:41.24 | SlayerXP | Tabitha: the woody -> sarge upgrade my destory your data, give you strech marks and defrost your freezer unexpectedly |
| 06:41.24 | BucWheat | trogger well they work great. they just need more ram :) |
| 06:41.30 | SlayerXP | stretch |
| 06:41.38 | SlayerXP | s/my/may/ |
| 06:41.47 | jim | Tabitha with stretch marks:! NOOOO! |
| 06:41.53 | trogger | BucWheat: yeah. they've got a 64 MB one at the mo, but if I want a compactflash slot it's only 32 MB - and that could well be my major limitation. |
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| 06:41.59 | Xemacs__ | Tabitha, so you need newer php ? |
| 06:42.00 | Tabitha | SlayerXP: But that would occur anyway one day when sarge becomes stable, no? |
| 06:42.05 | Tabitha | Xemacs__: Yup. |
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| 06:42.13 | BucWheat | trogger i have a 1gb cf in my 7200 now |
| 06:42.17 | SlayerXP | Tabitha: no-one is focring you to upgrade |
| 06:42.28 | Xemacs__ | Tabitha, have you looked at apt-get.org ? |
| 06:42.28 | BucWheat | trogger and a 4gb PCMCIA HDD in the 5500 |
| 06:42.34 | SlayerXP | Tabitha: woody+security is a very very stable server platform |
| 06:42.34 | mwilson | http://members.cox.net/msw/images/xdm-result.png |
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| 06:42.35 | ricky_clarkson | Tabitha: That seems to be a mythical day. |
| 06:42.36 | jim | Tabitha: it's up to each individual package to keep data up |
| 06:42.37 | trogger | BucWheat: for control systems applications (!) that's a serious algorithm!!! |
| 06:42.43 | mwilson | ack |
| 06:42.52 | mwilson | BIG image |
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| 06:43.24 | Tabitha | Xemacs__: Yes, but what I'm wondering is... if sarge becomes stable eventually why bother with backports when I could just handle the upgrade now (theoretically) as it's moving in that direction anyway? |
| 06:43.33 | Tabitha | Perhaps I'm thinking about this all wrong though :) |
| 06:43.43 | SlayerXP | mwilson: see also: http://photos.hinterlands.org/p10333836.html |
| 06:43.43 | mwilson | Tabitha: Why don't you just move to Sarge, then? |
| 06:43.59 | BucWheat | trogger hehe no. it's mainly used to store log files, db, and graphs that are produced |
| 06:43.59 | jim | Tabitha: backports allow you to choose among several versions of things |
| 06:44.03 | firestrm | <question> is there a way to boot to an arbritrary runlevel using boot parameters? ie runlevel 3 rather than 5? |
| 06:44.05 | Tabitha | mwilson: I dunno. I'm asking you :D |
| 06:44.13 | trogger | BucWheat: heh, that makes a bit more sense |
| 06:44.16 | Xemacs__ | Tabitha, my opinion is that 1 new package on production system probably is better then upgrading whole system !! |
| 06:44.19 | SlayerXP | firestrm: <answer> yes |
| 06:44.23 | BucWheat | trogger the debian install is only a couple hundred MBs and i could trim that down if i wanted |
| 06:44.33 | SlayerXP | oh, using boot params, dunno |
| 06:44.36 | Tabitha | Xemacs__: Well, eventually I'll need newer mysql too ;) |
| 06:44.37 | trogger | BucWheat: hmmm. do you have a swap partition on the cf? |
| 06:44.51 | BucWheat | trogger yea |
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| 06:45.00 | BucWheat | trogger 64mb swap |
| 06:45.01 | mwilson | SlayerXP: I'm just putting together a theme for xdm, I didn't mean to paste that into the channel |
| 06:45.05 | Xemacs__ | Tabitha, again production system touch as little as possible !! |
| 06:45.13 | SlayerXP | Tabitha: dpkg --purge mysql-server; apt-get install postgresql |
| 06:45.18 | firestrm | SlayerXP, i know i can let it boot then issue an init command, but what if i want it to usually boot to 3 rather than my current default of 5 |
| 06:45.18 | trogger | BucWheat: when it needs swap, does it go to the speed of mud (dried mud)? and are you concerned about the flash wearing out at all? |
| 06:45.23 | Xemacs__ | when Sarge becomes stable then upgrade |
| 06:45.35 | mwilson | firestrm: Your current default isn't 5. |
| 06:45.45 | SlayerXP | mwilson: I take any excuse to show off my l33t photography sk1||z :) |
| 06:45.57 | BucWheat | trogger nope. i haven't seen any performance problems when it goes to swap. and the flash seems to be working out just fine |
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| 06:46.08 | mwilson | firestrm: Your current default is 2. |
| 06:46.20 | BucWheat | trogger i hardly ever go to swap which is amazing beeing that i'm running my web application off the thing |
| 06:46.33 | rcw | firestrm: check the init(8) manpage section 'BOOTFLAGS' |
| 06:46.37 | Tabitha | I also wonder about the security implications of going with a backported php |
| 06:46.47 | firestrm | mwilson, i thought graphical/gwm was runlevel 5.. |
| 06:46.47 | BucWheat | trogger not to mention db and a program that acquires data every 6 times every sec |
| 06:46.57 | mwilson | firestrm: You thought wrong. |
| 06:47.02 | trogger | BucWheat: nice! sounds good. I appreciate your comments :). Are you in the US? If so - how much did they charge you for shipping - they want $75 to NZ. |
| 06:47.22 | nvz | firestrm: all runlevels 2-5 are the same in debian |
| 06:47.25 | BucWheat | trogger that is a bit steep. i paid around 30 USD for next day air |
| 06:47.28 | firestrm | mwilson, so what level is plain jane text? |
| 06:47.42 | nvz | firestrm: if you want to use them you have to configure them yourself |
| 06:47.42 | Xemacs__ | Tabitha, backport is probably alot more secure then Sarge which in theory has no security fixes |
| 06:47.45 | BucWheat | trogger oh and the customer support is awesome Jesse who is the ARM developer is AWESOME |
| 06:47.50 | mwilson | firestrm: There isn't one. Or they all are. What, you think this is DeadRat or something? |
| 06:47.59 | Tabitha | if I had to run something other than what's included in stable, I'd want to compile it myself |
| 06:48.04 | trogger | BucWheat: yeah - I think I'll give it a go! Thanks again. |
| 06:48.11 | BucWheat | trogger np |
| 06:48.17 | firestrm | mwilson, im sorry,, im a recent Deadsplat convert having troubles adjusting |
| 06:48.19 | nvz | firestrm: you can boot "Linux single" and it will boot to runlevel 1, single user |
| 06:48.21 | Gumby | can anyone tell me if there is a command that will show all detected hdd's ? |
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| 06:48.24 | Tabitha | but my last attempt at compiling the latest version of php on woody failed miserably.. all sorts of missing dependencies and stuff and outdated libs etc. |
| 06:48.37 | jim | Tabitha: there is that... so if you're worried about security, why upgrade to something that's a (slower) moving target? |
| 06:48.40 | Xemacs__ | Tabitha, then get the source from apt-get.org and compile it yourself ;) |
| 06:48.50 | trogger | Gumby: lshw |
| 06:49.01 | Tabitha | Xemacs__: why not from php.net? |
| 06:49.04 | BucWheat | Tabitha that is because you should be using perl :-D |
| 06:49.09 | firestrm | nvz, i dont want singleuser,.. i just dont want xfree or gwm.. etc starting up |
| 06:49.35 | jim | BucWheat: people use what they want... |
| 06:49.35 | Xemacs__ | Tabitha, apt-get.org might work better and obey more debian policies |
| 06:49.38 | SlayerXP | !tell firestrm about nodm |
| 06:50.11 | nvz | firestrm: in debian the boot scripts are in /etc/init.d/ then links are made to /etc/rc#.d/ where # is the runlevel. the default runlevel is configured in /etc/inittab |
| 06:50.27 | BucWheat | jim i know was just teasing |
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| 06:50.33 | nvz | firestrm: by default all runlevels 2-5 are the same and debian boots to runlevel 2 |
| 06:50.33 | firestrm | SlayerXP, thanks.. I'll try that.. :) |
| 06:50.37 | skip_ | hi all...has anybody here ever successfully DOWNGRADED kdebase? |
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| 06:50.59 | trogger | skip_: sounds like a foolish thing to try! |
| 06:51.04 | Guerin | !fuck webcam drivers |
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| 06:52.06 | skip_ | trogger: not my idea of fun, but I had set my repos all wrong and have some kde packages that are out of sync with others, and some updates are not yet available, if you know what I mean |
| 06:52.07 | nvz | firestrm: the links say S##bootscript or K##bootscript, for start or kill, then ## is the order, and the name of the script in /etc/init.d/ it links to |
| 06:52.12 | Guerin | at the risk of being subjected to one of my favorite factoids, can anyone here verify which webcams do and don't work with the linux kernel? |
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| 06:52.24 | trogger | skip_: yep |
| 06:52.32 | nvz | firestrm: there are various tools for creating and maintaining those links |
| 06:52.37 | SlayerXP | Guerin: I once had 6 ov511 based USB webcams all hooked up to one machine |
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| 06:52.48 | Guerin | i can find a bunch of drivers and so on, but matching chipsets to camera models is a real bastard |
| 06:52.50 | SlayerXP | Guerin: "Creative Webcam 3" |
| 06:52.50 | skip_ | trogger: the problem is actually with kdevelop looking for kde header files |
| 06:52.51 | trogger | skip_: still something that's not going to happy. maybe your opportunity to switch to gnome :p |
| 06:53.04 | Guerin | SlayerXP: how old are those? |
| 06:53.06 | skip_ | trogger: noooooooooo! I just switched from it |
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| 06:53.12 | trogger | skip_: heh |
| 06:53.22 | SlayerXP | Guerin: they've been around for quite some time. creative keep producing a new model though |
| 06:53.42 | SlayerXP | Guerin: http://www.hinterlands.org/overview.jpg |
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| 06:53.57 | skip_ | trogger: apparently my problem is not unique but I'm yet to find a workable (and painless) solution |
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| 06:54.02 | SlayerXP | Guerin: all 6 cams doing simultaneous motion detection |
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| 06:54.23 | firestrm | thanks all.. i think i understand whats happining with debian runlevels now.. needed to kick out the deadsplat knowlege :) |
| 06:54.24 | alejandro_ | hala peruchos |
| 06:54.42 | trogger | skip_: well, good luck anyway. |
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| 06:55.11 | Guerin | SlayerXP: that's outstanding |
| 06:55.26 | Guerin | SlayerXP: is that driver in-kernel, or do you have to patch and build? |
| 06:55.30 | SlayerXP | Guerin: that was with 2.2's crappy USB support, too :) |
| 06:55.30 | skip_ | trogger: out of interest (and ignorance), at what point does a debian-based distro become deb? For example, I started with Mepis and changed my repos to deb |
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| 06:56.09 | Guerin | skip_: at the point where you reinstall drom scratch |
| 06:56.09 | trogger | skip_: I'd have to let other people answer that one |
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| 06:56.50 | skip_ | Guerin: is it not possible to update to debian via apt-get? |
| 06:57.14 | SlayerXP | !knoppixsmite skip_ |
| 06:57.22 | nvz | !not support |
| 06:57.23 | dpkg | We're already doing our best not to support Debian. To try not to support other distributions too would make #debian trolling /very/ tedious. |
| 06:57.34 | trogger | skip_: you could do a debootstrap, then you're away |
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| 06:57.56 | Guerin | skip_: anything's possible; this is one of those things which is less possible than most. It's certainly not as simple as dist-upgrade. |
| 06:58.44 | skip_ | Guerin: pardon my ignorance...what could not be achieved by dist-upgrade? |
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| 06:58.51 | jim | skip_: only the main section of debian is considered official to debian... when each dist is released, that's when it becomes official |
| 06:59.08 | nvz | hmm either my timezone is wrong or my clock drifted an hour since I ran ntpdate yesturday |
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| 06:59.34 | SlayerXP | nvz: either that or you've been kidnapped by aliens and had an hour of your life surgically removed. |
| 06:59.38 | jim | the contrib and non-free sections are not part of debian at all, other than their being bugtracked and distributed from debian machines |
| 06:59.50 | trogger | SlayerXP: nice website ;) |
| 06:59.52 | jasz | i'm having a problem.. setting up my NAT... i want to enable port forwarding for port 59049 (giFT - ares)... and when i try to enable it on my dsl modem... i get an error message.. "your base host port plus your End port in your range exceeds 65535." << which sounds weird.. what am i doing wrong? |
| 07:00.08 | ricky_clarkson | jim: That's like me saying "it's not me that smells, it's my shoes". |
| 07:00.17 | Guerin | skip_: the main issue is that livecds require very different software to normal distros, so they contain a lot of customised packages, including fundamental stuff like init. because these packages aren't in debian, they don't get replaced on a dist-upgrade. |
| 07:00.48 | jim | ricky_clarkson: yeah... what can ya do except wash your feet... |
| 07:00.52 | skip_ | Guerin: ahh, I see |
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| 07:01.12 | SlayerXP | ricky_clarkson: sounds like you need to change your socks more often |
| 07:02.22 | alejandro_ | this is the third time I say this, but whatever :P I have a SiS900 nic, connected to a cable modem. The modules are loaded, I get the IP ferom my ISP but still can even ping my dns server and really, i don't know what do anymore |
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| 07:02.42 | alejandro_ | *ferom=from* |
| 07:02.48 | skip_ | Guerin: if I continue to update deb packages and only deb packages, are there any immediately obvious problems with that? |
| 07:03.06 | SlayerXP | alejandro_: throw the NIC away and buy something that works instead? |
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| 07:03.13 | jim | alejandro_: if you put a windows box on there, does it work with the cable modem? |
| 07:03.40 | alejandro_ | SlayerXP, it works in windows, why wouldn't work in linux? |
| 07:03.50 | alejandro_ | jim, yes it works |
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| 07:03.55 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: How far does a traceroute get? |
| 07:03.58 | SlayerXP | because SiS produce utterly utterly shite hardware |
| 07:04.11 | jim | does the windows box have sis? |
| 07:04.27 | alejandro_ | ricky_clarkson, traceroute? |
| 07:04.28 | jim | let's eliminate hardware as the problem |
| 07:04.34 | alejandro_ | jim same pc, same hardware |
| 07:04.40 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: apt-get install traceroute |
| 07:04.42 | Guerin | skip_: maybe, maybe not. |
| 07:04.43 | alejandro_ | jim I would... |
| 07:04.55 | alejandro_ | ricky_clarkson, i don't have inet |
| 07:04.55 | Guerin | skip_: ask #mepis for anecdotal evidence. |
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| 07:05.39 | alejandro_ | thats the problem, remember? ;) |
| 07:05.39 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: Or CDs? |
| 07:05.39 | alejandro_ | the first one |
| 07:05.39 | jim | that would definitively eliminate hardware as the problem... |
| 07:05.39 | ricky_clarkson | Does that not have traceroute on it? |
| 07:05.39 | Redneck | I have been trying to open the Debian packages page for an hour, with no success. Does anyone know the name for the English Language package so that I can apt-get-install it on my computer? |
| 07:05.40 | skip_ | Guerin: tried that but nobody knew...but I'll keep annoying them as well. |
| 07:05.47 | alejandro_ | ricky_clarkson, wait |
| 07:05.58 | jim | Redneck: www works, some others down for weekend. see /topic |
| 07:06.12 | ricky_clarkson | Weekend's over with. |
| 07:06.19 | trogger | Redneck: have you tried apt-cache search ? |
| 07:06.22 | jim | looks like still down? |
| 07:06.26 | alejandro_ | ricky_clarkson, is already installed |
| 07:06.33 | Redneck | don't know how |
| 07:06.36 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: How far does a traceroute get? |
| 07:06.40 | trogger | apt-cache search <keyword> |
| 07:06.44 | trogger | Redneck: now you do |
| 07:06.48 | Redneck | thank you |
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| 07:07.01 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: traceroute <ip-of-dns> |
| 07:07.05 | jim | juast to make sure... same ethernet cable too? |
| 07:07.13 | alejandro_ | ricky_clarkson, just a second |
| 07:07.14 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: I think you can use -n to stop it trying to do DNS lookups on the way. |
| 07:07.18 | skip_ | thanks ppl, bye for now |
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| 07:07.39 | xpurple | Does anyone here know much about using IPCOP? |
| 07:07.58 | jim | I'd start by looking at the README |
| 07:08.04 | xpurple | I've done that :) |
| 07:08.22 | xpurple | I've got it up and running, but have a question I have not found a good answer to in the docs. |
| 07:08.29 | jim | then you must have a more sicco question than that! |
| 07:08.36 | xpurple | Yeah |
| 07:08.37 | jasz | !ipcop |
| 07:08.37 | dpkg | it has been said that ipcop is a RedHat based firewall disto, It is used to share an internet connection using old hardware. http://www.ipcop.org, or a fork of smoothwall by disillusioned developers, or ipcop is all Free Software, Smoothwall is not (there is a non-GPL commercial version). |
| 07:08.50 | xpurple | Ahh |
| 07:08.55 | xpurple | So I should then bug #redhat? |
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| 07:09.14 | jim | well, is it a debian package? or how did you get it? |
| 07:09.20 | jasz | xpurple, .. probably ipcop.org |
| 07:09.23 | alejandro_ | ricky_clarkson, is running and I'm geting something like this: 1 * * *[neew line]2* * * and so on... |
| 07:09.30 | xpurple | jasz: I've been reading on there for quite a while now :) |
| 07:09.33 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: Ugh. |
| 07:09.37 | xpurple | But yeah, I'll bug someone else :) |
| 07:09.39 | SlayerXP | xpurple: if you have a question ask it, asking metaquestions will make us hate you. |
| 07:09.46 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: Got a routing table worth speaking of? |
| 07:10.02 | alejandro_ | damn...... |
| 07:10.06 | alejandro_ | routing table? |
| 07:10.16 | bonez41 | I try to ssh to my home machine..from office here...and get a warning...that "remote host identification has changed"...advising me to "Add correct host key in /home/scott/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. Offending key in /home/scott/.ssh/known_hosts:4" what do I add to this? |
| 07:10.53 | bonez41 | do I just delete the existing key in there..and then attempt the connection again? |
| 07:11.04 | SlayerXP | bonez41: type "vi /home/scott/.ssh/known_hosts" then type ":4<return>dd<esc>wq!" |
| 07:11.07 | Guerin | bonez41: why has it changed? |
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| 07:11.40 | trogger | SlayerXP: you forgot a : |
| 07:11.42 | bonez41 | Guerin: not sure...been a while since I tried ssh'ing to it...it's not a static ip..it's comcast cable..but the addy is still the same IP |
| 07:11.53 | SlayerXP | trogger: well spotted |
| 07:11.57 | SlayerXP | bonez41: type "vi /home/scott/.ssh/known_hosts" then type ":4<return>dd<esc>:wq!" |
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| 07:12.25 | Guerin | bonez41: what that message means is that the ssh identification key provided by the ssh server isn't the same as last time you connected to that server. |
| 07:12.42 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: man route |
| 07:12.58 | bonez41 | SlayerXP: ok, that took it out..I' retry it.. |
| 07:12.58 | alejandro_ | btw, dhcp-client (i think) changes my resolv.conf and add a line that reads: "pp.htv.fi" (my isp) |
| 07:13.05 | bonez41 | thanks |
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| 07:13.44 | bonez41 | Guerin: thanks...my new lesson for the day..... |
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| 07:17.18 | phin | hello |
| 07:17.36 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: Can you ping other computers on your subnet? |
| 07:17.52 | phin | anyway to decrease the xfree footprint more? im currently using 3.3.6 server, but i belive its still using 4.x for the client.. |
| 07:18.16 | alejandro_ | ricky_clarkson, I made "route" and I get something like this: Destination: 62.78.240.0, gateway: *, genmask 255.255.248.0, flag: 0, metric: 0 ref: 0, use: 0, iface eth0 |
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| 07:18.46 | alejandro_ | ricky_clarkson, there are only 2 pc's connected to the modem throu a switcher |
| 07:18.49 | phin | hehe |
| 07:18.57 | phin | i love when people irc with root ;) |
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| 07:19.21 | fish_ | re |
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| 07:20.16 | alejandro_ | but the second line from reoute is: dest: "default" gateway: 62.78.240.1, genmask 0.0.0.0, flag UG, metric ref and USE: 0 and iface: eth0 |
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| 07:21.41 | alejandro_ | ricky_clarkson, i can't ping the computer either (althou the computers are not conected directly) |
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| 07:24.29 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: Sorry, I'm only really good with LANs. |
| 07:24.44 | alejandro_ | :( |
| 07:24.46 | alejandro_ | ok |
| 07:24.51 | alejandro_ | thanks thou :) |
| 07:25.23 | edward_ | ? |
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| 07:27.18 | CrazyFool | hmm... |
| 07:27.27 | CrazyFool | does anyone here know how to map a loopback device to a file on disk? |
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| 07:27.40 | CrazyFool | and yeah, I know it's not a debian specific question, But I don't know where else to ask it! |
| 07:28.13 | simonrvn | man mount |
| 07:28.16 | SlayerXP | CrazyEddy: man losetup man mount |
| 07:28.26 | Paganist | Hi everyone :) I changed my hostname recently from "debian" to "debian.ici" to have an fqdn but my problem is when i type "hostname" i get debian.ici but when i start the console i get pierre@debian:~$ so no .ici and it seems that synaptic can't retreive anymore my hostname... any idea ? |
| 07:29.02 | simonrvn | you need to change it everywhere, not just /etc/hostname |
| 07:29.20 | Paganist | "everywhere" meaning ? |
| 07:29.30 | phin | usually the promot just grabs the prefix of the machine name. |
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| 07:29.35 | phin | prompt* |
| 07:29.36 | simonrvn | the whole system.. |
| 07:29.57 | Paganist | simonrvn: yes, so which places ? |
| 07:30.15 | simonrvn | grep for it. /etc/hosts being the first place to look |
| 07:30.16 | Paganist | i thought that by simply typing "hostname debian.ici" it would fix it all |
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| 07:30.23 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:30.31 | Paganist | okay, thanks so |
| 07:30.45 | Paganist | stupid me calling it debian.... the grep will match a lot :P |
| 07:31.42 | simonrvn | this is why the installer suggests to change it. there are probably thousands of machines called debian |
| 07:31.55 | ricky_clarkson | I've got one called ricky and one called codger. |
| 07:32.19 | simonrvn | there's an rfc with suggestions on how to name a host |
| 07:32.22 | SlayerXP | put it in the middle |
| 07:32.28 | ricky_clarkson | SlayerXP: Heh. |
| 07:32.41 | ricky_clarkson | host thingwithbitsofwire |
| 07:32.55 | ricky_clarkson | host britney |
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| 07:34.54 | simonrvn | host wtfisthatdoingthere |
| 07:35.35 | alejandro_ | this a non-debian-related question...but i ope someone has an idea: i bought a new mainboard and i tested it with a 350w PSU, but when I'm using mine (300w PSU) it doesn't work, the like in the mainboard lights on, but nothing else happens... it could be the mainboard? or the PSU? (the cpu doesn't rotate with the 300w one, but the PSU's fan does rotate...) |
| 07:35.36 | SlayerXP | host ilovemwilson |
| 07:35.43 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:36.09 | alejandro_ | the like=the light |
| 07:40.11 | simonrvn | maybe the 300 isn't enough.. |
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| 07:41.30 | SlayerXP | a 300watt power supply only gives you about 1.25A |
| 07:41.36 | dsl | fuck you all |
| 07:41.39 | SlayerXP | that may not be enough |
| 07:41.47 | SlayerXP | dsl: no, fuck _you_, I insist. |
| 07:41.58 | alejandro_ | lets all fuck him xDDDD |
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| 07:42.02 | DerJamster | eeeew. |
| 07:42.04 | alejandro_ | whatever |
| 07:42.15 | simonrvn | no thanks. not my type |
| 07:42.21 | alejandro_ | it was just a joke xP |
| 07:42.41 | simonrvn | i doubt idjit was joking |
| 07:43.22 | alejandro_ | well, i just tried changing the dns servers and the network still doesnt work....damn it |
| 07:43.36 | alejandro_ | idjit? |
| 07:43.42 | simonrvn | idiot |
| 07:44.02 | alejandro_ | ohh |
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| 07:44.15 | alejandro_ | damn, I'm starting to hate tghis..... |
| 07:44.20 | alejandro_ | this |
| 07:44.36 | simonrvn | maybe it isn't your dns? |
| 07:44.53 | alejandro_ | now I know it isnt |
| 07:44.59 | SlayerXP | i have the whole of the internet at my beck and call, and I can think of nothing of interest to look at |
| 07:45.19 | alejandro_ | cagon |
| 07:45.23 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: btw, did you move to norway yet? (just curious) |
| 07:45.44 | alejandro_ | damn expensive :S |
| 07:45.59 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: not yet. thanks to multiple fuckups by a) den norkse bank b) ligningskontour, oslo |
| 07:46.12 | simonrvn | aaw, too bad. |
| 07:46.24 | simonrvn | :/. hope it goes well |
| 07:46.28 | SlayerXP | yes, me too |
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| 07:47.04 | simonrvn | @karstenback |
| 07:47.06 | ravenbird | Yeah. Whatever. SHUT UP!! |
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| 07:48.20 | SlayerXP | you know, I hate some people |
| 07:48.50 | SlayerXP | I'm reading a changelog from someone who's doing kernel development on a 512 processor machine |
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| 07:49.22 | meneg | Hi all, what should I use to edit videos? |
| 07:49.29 | SlayerXP | "A second interesting data point is that if I run a busy-loop |
| 07:49.29 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.35 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: is that because they're working on a 512 proc box? ;) |
| 07:49.36 | SlayerXP | meneg: a video editor |
| 07:49.46 | meneg | yes |
| 07:49.49 | meneg | which one? |
| 07:49.58 | SlayerXP | meneg: http://freshmeat.net |
| 07:50.14 | meneg | very helpfull |
| 07:50.26 | SlayerXP | meneg: i thought so too. |
| 07:50.43 | meneg | google pwns it though |
| 07:50.44 | epsilon | .oO (bofh @ work) |
| 07:50.46 | simonrvn | apt-cache search video edit with some extra sources might help too |
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| 07:51.06 | simonrvn | epsilon: i'm a bofh all the time ;P |
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| 07:51.40 | meneg | i was wondering if anyone has experience with Cinelerra or Cinepaint (formerly known as filmgimp) |
| 07:51.47 | meneg | and if there are others |
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| 07:52.14 | simonrvn | i hear good things about it |
| 07:52.21 | kaput | hrmm...i'm currently in japan, but can't seem to access packages.debian.org. can anyone confirm that it's down? |
| 07:52.29 | simonrvn | kaput: /topic |
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| 07:52.45 | kaput | lol...thanks...sorry |
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| 07:56.41 | NetZwerg | err btw. the weedend is over *G* |
| 07:57.14 | ricky_clarkson | NetZwerg: Where'd'it go? |
| 07:57.23 | simonrvn | down the toilet |
| 07:57.28 | SlayerXP | Netminder: not anywhere that's GMT-9 or more |
| 07:57.29 | NetZwerg | guess i jumped back in time |
| 07:57.30 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, not another one. |
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| 07:57.34 | zeeble | blah. 1324 here.. into monday |
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| 07:57.45 | ricky_clarkson | 07:57 |
| 07:57.46 | simonrvn | 02:57 here |
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| 07:57.53 | ricky_clarkson | zeeble: What kind of fruity timezone is that? |
| 07:58.00 | NetZwerg | 8:58 here |
| 07:58.02 | zeeble | ricky_clarkson: india. |
| 07:58.12 | ricky_clarkson | zeeble: Does India have a few timezones? |
| 07:58.16 | zeeble | and yeah, its on a half hour tz |
| 07:58.26 | ricky_clarkson | Crazy. |
| 07:58.37 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 07:58.40 | ricky_clarkson | 1.1 billion people who can't get the time right. |
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| 07:58.42 | zeeble | ricky_clarkson: only one. it was to be split to 2. but "politics" prevented that. |
| 07:58.46 | simonrvn | newfoundland is 0.5 hour after atlantic time |
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| 07:59.20 | calyth | Question about setting Modes in X's configuration. I've got a LCD monitor that has two VESA modes in 1280x1024. One is 60Hz, the other 75Hz. get-edid | parse-edid got the 60Hz, but I like to use the 75. I could specify the Mode in the monitor for the 75, but i don't have the [hv]syncstart, [hv]syncend, [hv]synctotal. How can I get those numbers? I have the rest.... |
| 07:59.21 | simonrvn | which is -0400 UTC, so it's -0330 UTC |
| 07:59.34 | epsilon | just define earth as a plate and forget about timezones :D |
| 08:00.11 | ricky_clarkson | I'd rather define it as a doughnut. |
| 08:00.28 | simonrvn | doughnut would be tastier |
| 08:00.48 | epsilon | <homer>mmmm... doughnut</homer> |
| 08:00.51 | obsmav | in my brand new deb install each time i apt-get somthing i get an error saying that it needs an autoconf.h file... i have no idea to give it what it wants but i need apt :P |
| 08:00.52 | ricky_clarkson | I suppose if it was dripping with jam you'd need a plate to put it on. |
| 08:01.04 | obsmav | anybody know ? |
| 08:01.09 | simonrvn | calyth: fbset can display x modes |
| 08:01.11 | ricky_clarkson | Anyone else think Michael Howard does the voice for Monty Burns from the Simpsons? |
| 08:01.52 | calyth | simonrvn: I'll give that a shot, thanks! |
| 08:02.08 | simonrvn | obsmav: read more carefully. i doubt apt-get needs autoconf.h |
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| 08:02.42 | obsmav | simonrvn: it sais that it couldent find autoconf.h and then it asks me the path to my kernel-headers or kernel-source dir.. |
| 08:03.10 | simonrvn | a *package* is asking for that, not apt |
| 08:03.32 | obsmav | simonrvn: but evry package i install asks for it |
| 08:03.39 | obsmav | lol and eather way.. how do i get it one :P |
| 08:03.44 | simonrvn | no, just one. |
| 08:03.50 | alejandro_ | when I do dhclient eth0 i get this two first lines: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 (same line twice) what does it means? |
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| 08:04.24 | obsmav | simonrvn: so what do i do |
| 08:04.37 | simonrvn | alejandro_: ignore it. it's 6in4 tunnel |
| 08:04.40 | NetZwerg | calyth, they should be writen in your manual or they also should be read by X, so check your logs. Another way is a Modeline-Calculator i guess |
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| 08:05.00 | alejandro_ | simonrvn, good to know :) thanks |
| 08:05.12 | simonrvn | obsmav: ask someone else, i need to do something here |
| 08:06.10 | NetZwerg | try to find out what package this file wants |
| 08:06.14 | NetZwerg | must be some src package |
| 08:06.18 | NetZwerg | then just remove it |
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| 08:07.05 | obsmav | NetZwerg: only problem is i get this error each time i apt-get anything or dpkg -i anything |
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| 08:07.11 | obsmav | evan aptitude |
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| 08:08.02 | broke | am I suppose to be able to install firefox with, apt-get install mozilla-firefox ... if so(because I cant), what source should I add to my sources.list file ? |
| 08:08.12 | NetZwerg | sure, it tries to fix your cacheproblem |
| 08:08.27 | thu | after changing /etc/group can I somehow refresh open sessions without having to log off? |
| 08:08.34 | NetZwerg | everytime it looks in the db it sees, oh one package could not be installed, so i try it now ... error on that package |
| 08:08.59 | NetZwerg | you can, but ftp.debian.org is busy right npow |
| 08:09.17 | NetZwerg | just take a mirror and perform do apt-get install mozilla-firefox again |
| 08:09.20 | NetZwerg | it works fine |
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| 08:09.58 | NetZwerg | thu, dunno, i prefer loggin back into |
| 08:10.07 | obsmav | NetZwerg: the start of the error is in my brand new deb install each time i apt-get somthing i get an error saying that it needs an autoconf.h file... i have no idea to give it what it wants but i need apt :P |
| 08:10.08 | obsmav | oops |
| 08:10.35 | NetZwerg | hello |
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| 08:10.54 | calyth | NetZwerg: I have the dot clock, horizontal and vertical frequency, that's it.... |
| 08:10.54 | srid | I am getting compilation error for a SDL application. I am using X.org (not XFree86). I have pasted the error details here http://rafb.net/paste/results/KHDJPX93.html . What might be the issue here? |
| 08:10.55 | NetZwerg | read my posts ;) there is one -src package u tried to install |
| 08:10.55 | ricky_clarkson | obsmav: You might want to try the debian-user mailing list if nobody helps here. |
| 08:11.04 | NetZwerg | remove this and it will work |
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| 08:11.16 | koma` | hi all |
| 08:11.20 | nywass | hi |
| 08:11.30 | NetZwerg | calyth, what else would u need? |
| 08:11.44 | thu | NetZwerg: I have a screen with a lot of things open in it and I can't figure out how to refresh the group info without killing it all |
| 08:11.55 | koma` | somebody can tell me where to find an how to for installing debian on Mac Performa 5300 ? NuBus PPC 100 Mhz |
| 08:12.30 | NetZwerg | thu, me neither ;) |
| 08:12.39 | NetZwerg | you can use a loginshell |
| 08:12.49 | thu | like bash --login? |
| 08:12.57 | NetZwerg | so, you have your groupchanges active in that shell. |
| 08:13.44 | thu | bash --login doesn't work, that's one of the first things I've tried |
| 08:13.50 | NetZwerg | this wont work |
| 08:13.51 | NetZwerg | ;) |
| 08:14.27 | NetZwerg | login itself wont work either, but some shells read on startup all files new |
| 08:14.48 | NetZwerg | some xshells |
| 08:14.56 | thu | there's no X on this box |
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| 08:15.00 | NetZwerg | i c |
| 08:15.04 | NetZwerg | you run screen |
| 08:15.10 | NetZwerg | thought you were on X |
| 08:15.11 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 08:15.24 | NetZwerg | just type login |
| 08:15.27 | NetZwerg | should work |
| 08:15.28 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
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| 08:15.42 | thu | nah, it won't work.. it needs to run from the lowest level of sh or something |
| 08:16.12 | NetZwerg | yes, so ur not on the lowest level |
| 08:16.26 | thu | not exactly, I'm inside screen inside bash |
| 08:16.32 | calyth | NetZwerg: well the man page for XF86Config-4 says that I'd need to specify the whole Horizontal and Vertical timing... |
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| 08:16.41 | NetZwerg | you have to return to your original shell and type login |
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| 08:16.57 | thu | the whole point was refreshing the background screen session |
| 08:16.58 | NetZwerg | but all processes already running won't have activated the groupchanges |
| 08:17.00 | NetZwerg | i guess |
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| 08:18.19 | NetZwerg | calyth, http://nopaste.php-q.net/111792 this is all i have for my lcd |
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| 08:18.40 | NetZwerg | thu, that wont work i guess |
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| 08:19.08 | NetZwerg | i thought you just wanted "new" processes to be run with that changes |
| 08:19.23 | thu | NetZwerg: I want a new screen terminal (so bash instance) to run with the new group settings |
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| 08:19.45 | gub | hi |
| 08:19.52 | thu | ih gub |
| 08:19.54 | mflurp | hello every1.. can someone help me with a linux question please |
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| 08:20.11 | mflurp | please |
| 08:20.16 | NetZwerg | mflurp, not if you do not state your question |
| 08:20.16 | calyth | NetZwerg, guess mine is a bit more complicated to deal with... |
| 08:20.25 | thu | mflurp: you might wanna read this sometimes: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 08:20.52 | mflurp | hahahah ok i am trying to get into lilo.conf to edit it.. but when i type emacs lilo.conf i get the following |
| 08:21.00 | thd | What causes many messages of this sort as a result of find, "find: /proc/3552/fd: No such file or directory" ? |
| 08:21.12 | ricky_clarkson | thd: Running find / |
| 08:21.37 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 08:21.40 | mflurp | wait i cant copy and paste the error. |
| 08:21.41 | NetZwerg | damn you were faster |
| 08:21.53 | thu | mflurp: let me guess.. Bad command or file name |
| 08:22.07 | mflurp | cannot connect to xserver |
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| 08:22.27 | gub | I have setup a package from ubuntu but i want to recover the debian package (that is older). how can i do ? (the problem is that there s lot of dependencies |
| 08:22.30 | NetZwerg | thu, the problem is, all background processes won't use the new changes until they are restarted from a shell which has the new changes, afaik |
| 08:22.31 | thu | mflurp: just use some other editor.. try nano -w /etc/lilo.conf |
| 08:22.42 | mflurp | thnx mate legend |
| 08:22.48 | NetZwerg | no |
| 08:22.51 | NetZwerg | yes |
| 08:22.54 | NetZwerg | this will work |
| 08:23.05 | thu | NetZwerg: I wonder if sending an USR kill will work |
| 08:23.16 | thd | ricky_clarkson: I have not seen more than one until my last reboot. Now the system thrashes between starting cron and apache. |
| 08:23.23 | NetZwerg | to the base shell, this may really work |
| 08:23.25 | NetZwerg | never tried |
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| 08:24.36 | gub | pleeaase |
| 08:25.00 | NetZwerg | check google for downgrade |
| 08:25.00 | broke | fucking bitcy fluxbox... is flux the best "low on memory" x-windows manager after your opinion ? or can I throw it out and go for something else ? |
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| 08:25.25 | scarynetworkguy | broke: I really like Openbox. |
| 08:25.27 | NetZwerg | broke, wmaker is pretty similar, bit more memusage. Only to use with ONE monitor |
| 08:25.32 | mflurp | nano command not found?? |
| 08:25.44 | mflurp | is ther a way to start xserver |
| 08:25.45 | scarynetworkguy | mflurp: Did you install it? |
| 08:25.54 | NetZwerg | mflurp, try any consoleeditor or copy the .Xauthority from the user running X to your /root/ |
| 08:25.56 | scarynetworkguy | mflurp: startx |
| 08:25.57 | mflurp | nope.. ive only used linux for 1 day |
| 08:26.33 | broke | flux is fucked up, my mouse dont actually point where it is... |
| 08:26.48 | NetZwerg | this is no fluxerror i think |
| 08:26.53 | broke | so if I want to close a window with the "x", I'll have to click outside the window |
| 08:26.59 | NetZwerg | more some X-problem |
| 08:27.10 | broke | it was alright when I ran kde |
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| 08:27.26 | mflurp | thnx anyway fellas... catchya later... going back to windows... lol |
| 08:27.29 | NetZwerg | hrhr, this may be a wrong pointerimage e-g- / but should be \ |
| 08:27.40 | NetZwerg | mflurp, we told you how to solve it |
| 08:27.49 | NetZwerg | lol |
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| 08:30.07 | broke | lets try to go in and out of x |
| 08:30.11 | thd | ricky_clarkson: There are far too many such "find: /proc/3552/fd: No such file or directory" messages. Something is wrong. I had been trying to change the $MAIL environment variable to a $MAILDIR before the reboot. Now both $MAIL and $MAILDIR are defined. I think it should be one or the other, not both, What causes the no such file messages? |
| 08:30.24 | broke | is there a fuckXImgoingBackToConsoleCommand ? |
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| 08:30.37 | broke | except ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 08:30.52 | broke | like kill x |
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| 08:31.40 | jeebes | So I'm trying to do a sarge netinstall, but it keeps saying my network is not using the dhcp protocol, even though it is |
| 08:31.44 | NetZwerg | thd if you tell us the full command u issued we may help |
| 08:31.52 | jeebes | could it be becasue debian can't find the integrated ethernet |
| 08:32.12 | NetZwerg | jeebes, check if your module is loaded by installer |
| 08:32.29 | jeebes | how can I do that |
| 08:32.33 | NetZwerg | also, if not, the base system is on the cd afaik, after that there are more modules available |
| 08:32.39 | NetZwerg | lsmod |
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| 08:33.10 | jeebes | How can I run that command if its not installed yet |
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| 08:33.31 | NetZwerg | what do you think your bootinG? |
| 08:33.33 | NetZwerg | brb phone |
| 08:33.36 | cyziea | install that command first |
| 08:34.00 | jeebes | you can install single commands? |
| 08:34.18 | cyzie | mmm...it depend |
| 08:34.21 | jeebes | I don't understand, should I just go ahead and install without detecting any network then do that |
| 08:34.22 | thd | NetZwerg: the find command was "sudo find / -name whatever -print". I do nt believe that is the problem. The system continues thrashiing even after displaying the login prompt. |
| 08:34.23 | cyzie | when i do nslookup |
| 08:34.29 | cyzie | commadn not found |
| 08:34.35 | cyzie | but i install another called host |
| 08:34.41 | cyzie | soemthing similar to nslookup |
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| 08:35.39 | drac | cyzie: install "dnsutils" |
| 08:35.52 | cyzie | u sure drac ? |
| 08:35.53 | jeebes | ok I see, you can get a shell from the installer, I think that from the lsmod it is finding the moduke |
| 08:36.09 | drac | cyzie: yes. |
| 08:36.23 | cyzie | k |
| 08:36.25 | cyzie | thanks a lot |
| 08:36.27 | cyzie | apt-get nwo |
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| 08:37.24 | kruzi | heyas what version of sarge net install would i use if i have a amd 64bit cpu ? |
| 08:37.27 | kruzi | ia64 ? |
| 08:37.33 | kruzi | or? |
| 08:38.02 | cyzie | yes |
| 08:38.29 | NetZwerg | re |
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| 08:39.49 | thd | NetZwerg: What creates a /proc/\d\d\d\d file or directory entry in the first place? Find is only stumbling accross those entries. They are returned when issuing "ls /proc" as well but without the no such file error. |
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| 08:40.27 | NetZwerg | they are no files in that way |
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| 08:41.09 | NetZwerg | virtual files could be said, but find returns in /proc a lot of these messages, same here |
| 08:41.31 | NetZwerg | they are files, ok, since everything is a file |
| 08:41.36 | thd | NetZwerg: What creates the record of them in the file system? |
| 08:42.14 | NetZwerg | dunno what processes |
| 08:42.30 | NetZwerg | but, a lot of systemprocesses write there information in there |
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| 08:42.51 | NetZwerg | so, i guess one of these also generates your files |
| 08:43.02 | jm_ | kruzi: x86, Sarge has no amd64 port |
| 08:43.20 | jeebes | whats apt-get nwo (new world order?) supposed to do, heh |
| 08:43.29 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 08:43.41 | jm_ | thd: kernel creates them, but those files are gone once the proces exits |
| 08:44.01 | NetZwerg | jeebes, it is supposed to say: Unrecognized option |
| 08:44.16 | NetZwerg | or no valid option, i just see it in my language so ;D |
| 08:44.23 | marwin | Does anyone know if it's possible to specifiy the chroot-directory for VSFTPd? |
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| 08:44.44 | jeebes | ah |
| 08:44.49 | SlayerXP | marwin: yes, someone knows. |
| 08:44.57 | epsilon | dunno, I use proftpd |
| 08:45.23 | thd | jm_: If the files are gone, why does the system create a record of files no longer there? |
| 08:45.33 | jeebes | whenever I do an install its always the 2.4 kernel, is it possible to install with only the 2.6? |
| 08:45.50 | epsilon | jeebes: woody or sarge? |
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| 08:46.33 | SlayerXP | jeebes: if you're talking about sarge, yes, try reading the instructions on the boot screen. |
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| 08:47.23 | jm_ | thd: what do you mean? |
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| 08:48.01 | NetZwerg | jm_, find returns a long list of: File not found from the /proc dir. thats his problem ;) |
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| 08:48.57 | jeebes | yes sarge |
| 08:49.00 | jm_ | NetZwerg: who/what runs the find? |
| 08:49.03 | NetZwerg | and this spams his console, as far as i understood |
| 08:49.09 | jeebes | oh is it a boot option from the very begining |
| 08:49.17 | NetZwerg | he runs: sudo find -name whatever -print |
| 08:50.56 | thd | jm_: You said the files are gone once the process that created them exits. Yet they continue to appear to find and other commands as if they are still present, hence the no such file error reported. If they are temporry files they are not being cleaned up properly with no record to produce the no such file error reported by find. |
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| 08:55.13 | jm_ | thd: no, kernel creates them and updates them as long as process lives |
| 08:56.27 | thd | jm_: Why the no such file or directory error reported by find? |
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| 09:00.01 | NerkN | hi, i fed up with fc3! before i used a turkish version of redhat |
| 09:00.18 | cyzie | why? |
| 09:00.25 | cyzie | is fc3 so $uck? |
| 09:00.40 | jm_ | thd: what command do you run and does this always happen? |
| 09:01.09 | Rangitoto | I am in the process of using the sarge installer. It failed to detect that I already had a DOS Version 6.2 partition. Should I install the GRUB boot loader and configure it later (which I don't know how to do)? |
| 09:01.23 | cyzie | yes |
| 09:01.26 | cyzie | it is fine |
| 09:01.33 | cyzie | Rangitoto |
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| 09:02.28 | Rangitoto | cyzie: I will do so and worry about configuring GRUB later. |
| 09:02.40 | NerkN | cyzie yes, i changed many config and i feel unconfortable with that! |
| 09:02.47 | cyzie | are u using sarge netinstall ? |
| 09:03.04 | kruzi | does sarge have a amd 64bit edition? |
| 09:03.07 | Rangitoto | Yes |
| 09:03.07 | cyzie | NerkN, i have no problem running fc3 and debian ;) |
| 09:03.13 | DerJamster | kruzi: not yet |
| 09:03.16 | kruzi | hmm |
| 09:03.20 | kruzi | does fedora? |
| 09:03.27 | slackd0Od | gentoo does |
| 09:03.33 | DerJamster | Sarge will get one once it is stable, AFAIK. |
| 09:03.34 | cyzie | Rangitoto, just becareful during grub install part |
| 09:03.40 | jm_ | kruzi: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 09:03.46 | kruzi | not interested in gentoo |
| 09:04.05 | slackd0Od | thats too bad =) |
| 09:04.36 | jm_ | kruzi: but bear in mind that some machines are still down (see topic) |
| 09:04.52 | thd | jm_: just prior to the flood of such messages I had commented out $MAIL_FILE, and uncommented $QMAIL_DIR in /etc/login.defs attempting to change form $MAIL to $MAILDIR. Then I rebooted to a system thrashing through from starting cron or apache right trough the login prompt. Runing find / whatever -print produced a flood of /proc/\d\d\d\d:fd no such file or directory errors. |
| 09:05.13 | kruzi | hrm. |
| 09:05.22 | kruzi | anyone know if fedora supports amd64 ? |
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| 09:05.36 | NerkN | himmm |
| 09:05.41 | NerkN | whats sarge? is it like debian clone of fc? |
| 09:05.46 | kruzi | i wish debian was properly. |
| 09:05.48 | thd | jm_: both $MAIL and $MAILDIR are now set. I think it should be one or the other. |
| 09:06.02 | kruzi | jm_: i dont get what your saying (some machines are down) ? |
| 09:06.03 | cyzie | kruzi, yes |
| 09:06.15 | jm_ | kruzi: the pages where Debian AMD64 info is are down |
| 09:06.20 | Rangitoto | cyzie: I have just installed GRUB. It was done without any further prompts so it looks as if I will have to configure it later. |
| 09:06.28 | kruzi | ah |
| 09:06.35 | efault | Is it possible to do net-install on floppy with a network-card? |
| 09:06.46 | cyzie | dont worry Rangitoto , grub boot loader is located in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:06.51 | jm_ | thd: well /proc/\d\d\d will not be found if it literally says that, looks like some script/tool is fucked up |
| 09:06.58 | kruzi | hrm i might use fedora for my desktop if its already 100% on amd64 |
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| 09:08.04 | alexrait1 | hello! I changed my locales with dpkg-reconfigure... but when I reboot or run source /etc/profile, nothing changes... I still get the previous ones... |
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| 09:08.43 | alexrait1 | I changed the default ones of course.... and I checked the correct boxes.. |
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| 09:09.44 | cyzie | brb |
| 09:09.46 | thd | jm_: actual errors are "find: /proc/3557/fd: No such file or directory" incremented in the hudreds or thousands. \d\d\d\d was the description I gave for all the messages collectively. |
| 09:10.56 | jm_ | thd: well it may be you don't have access to that file, or your machine has been hacked, or some other reason |
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| 09:11.34 | jazzmans | ftp.de.debian.org sid/main is up for the alioth amd64 sid. |
| 09:11.52 | NetZwerg | alejandro_, echo $LANG still returns the old ones? |
| 09:12.54 | thd | jm_: my installation is too new and isolated for it to have been hacked. Although, very remotely possible. |
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| 09:13.12 | kaplanfx | is http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=34-146-046&depa=0 that a good deal? I have been contemplating weather or not to get it :) |
| 09:13.16 | NetZwerg | alexrait1, echo $LANG still return the old ones? |
| 09:13.34 | alexrait1 | yes.. |
| 09:13.37 | kaplanfx | plus anything in there that will obviously not be supported by linux |
| 09:13.40 | jm_ | thd: well check if you can reproduce the problem, then check if any of those processes is still alive and try to access that file by hand |
| 09:13.47 | alexrait1 | NetZwerg, it returns another one |
| 09:13.57 | alexrait1 | it returns "c", while locale says utf8 |
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| 09:14.04 | thd | jm_: the find command ran under sudo. |
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| 09:14.26 | jm_ | thd: well in theory that doesn't always give it access to files |
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| 09:15.11 | directhex | kaplanfx, the 9600 will be 2d-only without horrible gflrx |
| 09:15.21 | kaplanfx | directhex: crap |
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| 09:15.25 | directhex | kaplanfx, the rest, impossible to say without more detail |
| 09:15.33 | directhex | kaplanfx, i.e. which chip x, y and z are |
| 09:15.35 | thd | jm_: the system thrahing repeats every time I reboot now for a long time. |
| 09:15.41 | kaplanfx | ati doesn't support the mobility on linux? |
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| 09:15.56 | NetZwerg | alexrait1, u did: dpkg-reconfigure locales, afai unerstood, didn't you? |
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| 09:16.07 | alexrait1 | NetZwerg, yes |
| 09:16.10 | jm_ | thd: so you want to find out what's causing it? |
| 09:16.15 | kaplanfx | it would mostly be for work so it'd be winblows, but I'd like to have linux on it for when I want to do some coding or what not |
| 09:16.24 | thd | jm_: yes |
| 09:16.26 | directhex | kaplanfx, ati don't support anything under linux. but ati's binary-only linux drivers can work, for varying degrees of the word work, with that chip. |
| 09:16.36 | kaplanfx | grr |
| 09:16.37 | NetZwerg | in your profile do set somewhere localedef? |
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| 09:16.54 | directhex | kaplanfx, for varying degrees of the word support. |
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| 09:17.08 | jm_ | thd: why do you think find will help you? |
| 09:17.11 | alexrait1 | NetZwerg, what could be wrong? |
| 09:17.23 | Nara | when sending a .ps file of only one page as a fax with efax: the received fax comes larger than it should be? I tried letter/A4 same, the received fax is larger than one page !! any help |
| 09:17.28 | kaplanfx | also anyone know of an external 3.5 hd enclosure that takes a sata drive and connects with usb2? |
| 09:17.31 | NetZwerg | dunno yet, should work properly |
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| 09:17.37 | MaSterNet | hello |
| 09:17.38 | kaplanfx | those things are mighty hard to track down |
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| 09:17.49 | thd | jm_: Find was not helping. It was identifying the symtom. |
| 09:18.02 | kaplanfx | my buddy just gave me a nice big sata drive, but I have a shuttle box and I can't put it internal |
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| 09:18.48 | kaplanfx | sorry if that was a bit off topic but people in here tend to give good advice on matters of obscure hardware |
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| 09:19.06 | jm_ | thd: I doubt that |
| 09:19.19 | numist | Im writing a howto regarding how to set up a linux box as an internet router for home use, aimed towards people who are relatively new to linux.. should I include DNS at all or is it too complicated/out of scope for what Im covering? |
| 09:19.24 | NetZwerg | alexrait1, check your profile if it is reset there, if not sry, im out of answers ;) |
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| 09:19.42 | thd | jm_: I suspect there is a problem with postfix being confused by having both $MAIL and $MAILDIR defined. |
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| 09:20.23 | alexrait1 | NetZwerg, that's the same for root and my user... and I haven't modified my .profile :( |
| 09:20.44 | guru | does anyone know of any way to convert an avi into an mpeg? |
| 09:20.54 | NetZwerg | numist, since it is for people new to linux, u may could include dnsmasq, but a whole dns-server is bit out of newbies range i think |
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| 09:21.47 | MaSterNet | I've some questions on the command 'makejail'... don't know if I'm off topic, but I don't know where to search. I start it and it stops with ERROR: The path '.' is not absolute. dunno if makejail runs right at this point. |
| 09:21.56 | NetZwerg | alexrait1, after reconfiguring took dpkg a while to generate the locales? or did it just jump out of the config? |
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| 09:22.17 | NetZwerg | i had it once that it did not generate them, so i did it again and then it worked. |
| 09:22.22 | numist | NetZwerg: yeah, thats pretty much what I was thinking.. except for dnsmasq.. Ill look that up and include it, thanks |
| 09:22.33 | alexrait1 | NetZwerg, yes it worked for a while, saying it generates locales (and a list of them) |
| 09:22.35 | nimb | how can I reset my dvd drive? I can't mount/unmount it, open it, anything... |
| 09:22.48 | jm_ | thd: hmm do you think postfix cares about login.defs? |
| 09:22.59 | NetZwerg | then it should work properly |
| 09:23.21 | NetZwerg | did you check changing your LANG manually and start a program? |
| 09:23.30 | slackd0Od | nimb: did you try rebooting |
| 09:23.33 | NetZwerg | to see if it uses the right locales then. |
| 09:23.56 | nimb | slackd0Od: no, but I'm hoping for a different solution |
| 09:24.04 | nimb | slackd0Od: I'd assume that would work |
| 09:24.06 | slackd0Od | i dont think there is one |
| 09:24.07 | NetZwerg | is there something like scsi_util for ide? so locked devices could be reset? |
| 09:24.32 | numist | NetZwerg: wait... dnsmasq says that they are used in linksys wireless routers... is there a way to access a tty on them, or am I out of my mind? |
| 09:24.40 | thd | jm_: Perhaps not but mutt cares about whether $MAIL or $MAILDIR is defined. |
| 09:24.53 | jm_ | thd: sure, but that shouldn't case thrashing ;) |
| 09:25.39 | NetZwerg | numist, its just a program providing a virtual dns-server. an incoming request is looked up by default name-server from the system and then cached. so next incoming dnslookup will be from cache |
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| 09:26.48 | NetZwerg | numist, so i guess your out of mind *G* |
| 09:26.58 | jm_ | thd: case=cause |
| 09:27.06 | thd | jm_: No, of course, especially since I have not run mutt since having two contradictory mail environment variables set. Perhaps dbmail-pgsql cares. |
| 09:27.24 | jm_ | thd: tried running top to show which process is using CPU? |
| 09:27.24 | numist | NetZwerg: thanks... so in the case of a simple router, no configuration would really be necessary for dnsmasq since they probably wont be setting dns names inside the network anyway... |
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| 09:28.03 | NetZwerg | its just for dnslookups to the outside of the LAN, so you have one central DNS in your LAN managing this :) |
| 09:28.31 | numist | good call |
| 09:29.00 | jm_ | dnsmasq can also serve as a real name server for small LAN-s |
| 09:29.02 | NetZwerg | numist, but you can easily set up names for internal ips with it |
| 09:29.16 | thd | jm_: no silly me. I will reboot now and run top as soon as I can login. The thrashing will still be continuing after login. |
| 09:29.17 | NetZwerg | jm_, grr, i was going to say that ;D |
| 09:29.21 | numist | NetZwerg: thanks, are the man files very useful? the online docs seem sparse |
| 09:29.50 | NetZwerg | yes it is |
| 09:30.04 | numist | excellent. thanks |
| 09:30.04 | NetZwerg | but the configfile is most self explaining i think |
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| 09:34.00 | ircdevil | this is _rediculous_! my GF left for work. she locked the door on the way out - now i cant get out ... |
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| 09:34.11 | numist | damnit I kinda wanted to see if I could run SETI on my linksys AP :X |
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| 09:34.17 | vulture | ircdevil: hehe. nice work. climb out a window |
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| 09:34.40 | vulture | ircdevil: that situation happened once here on local radio - the breakfast radio dude accidently locked his girlfriend at home, so she called the station :) |
| 09:34.44 | ircdevil | vulture: the windows are very high, very small, and the whole frame looks very fragile ... |
| 09:34.55 | vulture | ircdevil: sounds perfect.. |
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| 09:37.08 | inetd | hey |
| 09:37.32 | inetd | was wondering when u burn an iso on a CD-RW using cdrecord |
| 09:37.49 | inetd | if you dont close the session..you cant really read the cd-rw on an old cdrom |
| 09:38.03 | inetd | whats the work around to that? how do you close the session in cdrecord? |
| 09:39.01 | ircdevil_trapped | inetd: man cdrecord ? look for fixation ? |
| 09:39.02 | disposable | 'msg dpkg wwsr |
| 09:39.32 | horror_vacui | Is there a way to specify username and password on the command line when using pptp (-client)??? |
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| 09:41.32 | inetd | ircdevil_trapped: will the fixation fix my problem though? cd-rw not reading on old cdroms? |
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| 09:42.21 | ircdevil_trapped | inetd: i am not sure - crappy old cdroms do have problems with cdrw ... can u use a ordinary cdr ? |
| 09:42.21 | bob2 | billy bragg singing about sex is a tad scary |
| 09:43.00 | inetd | ircdevil_trapped: yeap normal cdr work fine |
| 09:43.02 | numist | damn, you can do it but most people have concentrated on the router... theres nothing free for the AP: http://www.batbox.org/wrt54g-linux.html |
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| 09:43.34 | inetd | numist: whats the issue? |
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| 09:44.05 | dav89 | hello, why when i'm on the shell and i need to go to /usr/local/src/two and i write cd /usr/loc and i press TAB it doesn't complete the address? |
| 09:44.13 | shawarma_ | Does anyone know when we can expect people.debian.org to be back up? |
| 09:44.20 | sharth | dav89: hit tab again |
| 09:44.44 | inetd | dav89: whats the shell you on? if its bash read bash_completion |
| 09:45.09 | inetd | shawarma_: /topic |
| 09:45.25 | shawarma_ | inetd: Yes.. The weekend's over, isn't it? :-) |
| 09:45.33 | dav89 | how can i run a shell...because i started it from the K pannel. |
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| 09:45.47 | inetd | shawarma_: not for some countries i suppose :p |
| 09:45.56 | numist | inetd: I wanted to see if I could get SETI@home on the AP.. iirc its just a MIPS processor |
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| 09:46.15 | bob2 | it's not midnight yet there |
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| 09:46.18 | bob2 | at a guess |
| 09:46.23 | bob2 | numist: thats so amazingly pointless |
| 09:46.29 | shawarma_ | inetd: I suppose not. :-/ Oh well, I'll just have to wait, I suppose. |
| 09:46.31 | numist | bob2: yeah... and? |
| 09:46.44 | numist | bob2: its that kind of thing that amuses me |
| 09:46.44 | dav89 | how can i start a shell? |
| 09:46.55 | Zenethian | Is there a very simple way to tell dpkg that a package is fake-installed? I want to build my own gnupg 1.4 which does not have a deb package, and I am unfamiliar with how to set the source up to make it into one, so I would just like dpkg to think it is installed... |
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| 09:46.59 | bob2 | dav89: your question makes no sense |
| 09:47.10 | inetd | dav89: xterm :) |
| 09:47.13 | bob2 | dav89: #debian-kde or #kde |
| 09:47.24 | bob2 | Zenethian: apt-cache show equivs |
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| 09:49.11 | dav89 | HO CAN I START |
| 09:49.13 | dav89 | A SHELL?!?!?!??! |
| 09:49.33 | NetZwerg | not due shouting |
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| 09:49.48 | cast | i intend to be using debian stable. now, would you folks vote I install debian stable now and upgrade later? or just install testing now since its nearly stable? And a question in that case, when testing becomes stable, would one just s/testing/stable in sources.list? |
| 09:49.50 | shawarma_ | dav89: Could you perhaps yell a bit louder? I'm sure that's going to add more sense to your question. |
| 09:49.57 | dav89 | ok |
| 09:50.00 | dav89 | hello, why when i'm on the shell and i need to go to /usr/local/src/two and i write cd /usr/loc and i press TAB it doesn't complete the address? |
| 09:50.10 | bob2 | dav89: go away |
| 09:50.23 | dav89 | on mandrake |
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| 09:50.27 | dav89 | it worked so. |
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| 09:50.31 | bob2 | cast: yes, upgrading should be painless (it's a bug if it's not) |
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| 09:50.42 | bob2 | dav89: #kde or #debian-kde |
| 09:50.45 | NetZwerg | it works on debian too |
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| 09:50.55 | dav89 | no it doesn't |
| 09:51.01 | dav89 | it doesn't complete the address |
| 09:51.19 | NetZwerg | it works on all debians here ;) i guess you just got a shell that does not support autocompletion |
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| 09:51.44 | dav89 | netwerg where do i find a shell which support autocompletion? |
| 09:51.49 | jennifer | Hi everyone, I have just installed debian (woody) but the network card didnt install and i hav no idea what im doing ... can anyone point me in the right direction |
| 09:52.11 | bob2 | jennifer: if you're very new to linux, I'd not try starting with woody |
| 09:52.21 | bob2 | jennifer: give debian sarge or ubuntu a go |
| 09:52.24 | dav89 | start with mandrake |
| 09:52.25 | NetZwerg | does cd /usr/local work? if yes, try not-X:bash,sh ..., X:Eterm,xterm,wterm,aterm ..... *term |
| 09:52.44 | bob2 | dav89: there are lots of easy distros that aren't crippled like mandrake |
| 09:53.01 | jennifer | oh don say that :( took me weeks to get where i am now, whats wrong with woody? (its a mail dns web ftp server im setting up |
| 09:53.06 | jm_ | heh |
| 09:53.11 | Indal | hmm hey guys, i was wondering why a mail forward wouldn't work on exim, i have @domain.com: forward@email.com in the virtual file, but ti says unrouteable address if i try to send to it |
| 09:53.14 | NetZwerg | jennifer, lspci check your card type, install the right module and edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:53.18 | jm_ | jennifer: install a real kernel, run modconf |
| 09:53.32 | bob2 | jennifer: nothing, it's just a pain in the arse to start with |
| 09:53.33 | simmerz | is there a way to force umount an nfs mount that wont umount with umount -f? |
| 09:53.35 | directhex | mandrake is a pretty good starter. by the time you feel restricted y it, you should be moving onto sarge anyway |
| 09:53.38 | dav89 | i've understood |
| 09:53.42 | dav89 | the problem is that |
| 09:53.46 | dav89 | that folder isn't there |
| 09:53.47 | dav89 | :D |
| 09:53.50 | NetZwerg | bob2, its not |
| 09:53.51 | dav89 | :D |
| 09:53.52 | NetZwerg | := |
| 09:53.58 | dav89 | LOL |
| 09:54.11 | bob2 | oh god |
| 09:54.16 | NetZwerg | then u may do not have a fully installed debian i guess |
| 09:54.22 | NetZwerg | or u did something pretty bad wrong |
| 09:54.22 | dav89 | where do i find the outer windows disk? in mandrake it was /mnt/win_c /mnt/win_d |
| 09:54.32 | bob2 | dav89: wherever you mounted it |
| 09:54.36 | bob2 | it's not done automatically |
| 09:54.41 | dav89 | ah |
| 09:54.45 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 09:54.45 | bob2 | and stop being a moron, it's a nnoying |
| 09:55.05 | dav89 | how can i mount that partition? |
| 09:55.12 | NetZwerg | man mount |
| 09:55.16 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: man 5 fstab |
| 09:55.25 | dav89 | can i make debian do that on initd? |
| 09:55.26 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: Install Windows. |
| 09:55.29 | shawarma_ | dav89: D'you know which partition it is? |
| 09:55.30 | dav89 | lol |
| 09:55.37 | dav89 | no i don't |
| 09:55.39 | bob2 | dav89: copy the lines from your mandrake /etc/fstab |
| 09:55.43 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: man 5 stab (again) |
| 09:55.48 | NetZwerg | bob2, they are gone i guess hrhr |
| 09:55.49 | dav89 | mandrake went away... |
| 09:55.50 | ricky_clarkson | fstab |
| 09:56.00 | shawarma_ | dav89: It's the one that reads FAT32 or NTFS or something if you do a 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' |
| 09:56.07 | bob2 | could you guys possibly give less useful advice? |
| 09:56.07 | NetZwerg | let him startup with mount or fdisk ;) |
| 09:56.11 | bob2 | seriously, I want you to try. |
| 09:56.16 | ricky_clarkson | !not support |
| 09:56.23 | bob2 | if you don't want to be useful to someone, just shut up |
| 09:56.32 | bob2 | trolling clueless users is NOT GOOD |
| 09:56.48 | NetZwerg | and you may stop complaining bob2? |
| 09:56.48 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: Is that directed at me for the "Install Windows" remark? |
| 09:57.13 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: there's lots of idiocy in here |
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| 09:57.25 | bob2 | NetZwerg: yes, if people stop being morons, I will stop complaining |
| 09:57.30 | ircdevil_trapped | !airport |
| 09:57.30 | dpkg | i guess airport is if idiots are airplanes then #debian is an airport... a type of wireless card supported under Linux. Airport Extreme is not. Get a D-Link DWL-122 USB which is Linux compatible. |
| 09:57.32 | bob2 | you'll note I complained a lot less a couple of years ago |
| 09:57.51 | ricky_clarkson | 6 months ago |
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| 09:57.54 | simmerz | yeah, and i just want to know if i can unmount an nfs mount that has become inaccessible but umount -f doesnt work, without rebooting the machine and causing downtime. |
| 09:58.07 | dav89 | dev/hda1 * 1 1714 13767673+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 09:58.07 | dav89 | /dev/hda2 1715 4870 25350570 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 09:58.07 | dav89 | /dev/hda5 1715 4020 18522913+ b W95 FAT32 |
| 09:58.07 | dav89 | /dev/hda6 4021 4870 6827593+ 83 Linux |
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| 09:58.08 | ircdevil_trapped | bob2 and in a couple of years you will be the next mwilson :o) |
| 09:58.10 | bob2 | dpkg airport =~ s/USB/or Netgear MA-111 (version 1) USB/ |
| 09:58.10 | dpkg | bob2: OK |
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| 09:58.41 | shawarma_ | dav89: Don't paste that stuff in here. |
| 09:58.48 | bob2 | simmerz: mount it with "soft" next time |
| 09:58.54 | bob2 | don't think it's possible to unfuck now |
| 09:59.11 | shawarma_ | dav89: As I've said: The partitions that read either FAT32 or NTFS. /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda5. |
| 09:59.15 | dav89 | now i need to edit /etc/fstab, right? |
| 09:59.17 | simmerz | bob2: soft in the options? |
| 09:59.33 | bob2 | simmerz: yes |
| 09:59.36 | bob2 | dpkg: yes |
| 09:59.36 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 09:59.40 | bob2 | bah |
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| 10:00.24 | dav89 | how can i mount a partition??? mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 10:00.46 | simmerz | bob2, what does "soft" do then? |
| 10:00.46 | Gathond | dav89: man mount have a quite good explanation |
| 10:00.46 | bob2 | please stop being an idiot |
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| 10:01.05 | bob2 | dav89: this is where you engage your brain in at least gear "1". |
| 10:01.14 | bob2 | dav89: is that device mentioned in /etc/fstab? |
| 10:01.32 | bob2 | dav89: perhaps you should add it? perhaps you should look at the format of the other lines (and the comment) to see what it should look like? |
| 10:01.34 | dav89 | no it isn't |
| 10:01.41 | bob2 | simmerz: care less if the nfs server dies |
| 10:01.44 | numist | is there no PCI wireless card that is supported (without ndiswrapper) under linux |
| 10:01.45 | dav89 | i'm putting it there |
| 10:01.45 | numist | ? |
| 10:01.47 | bob2 | I'm not sure of the details |
| 10:01.48 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: The mount command needs information about the thing you are mounting. It either gets the information from you, or from /etc/fstab |
| 10:01.57 | bob2 | numist: find one which uses prism or centrino |
| 10:02.07 | bob2 | dav89: no, you paste in here and I will ban you |
| 10:02.12 | numist | bob2: I was under the impression that centrino cards werent fully supported yet |
| 10:02.26 | simmerz | bob2: thanks |
| 10:02.26 | bob2 | numist: they're kinda shit but work well enough |
| 10:02.28 | NetZwerg | numist, there are a lot, but most are not the popular ones |
| 10:02.29 | NetZwerg | ;) |
| 10:02.34 | numist | hmm |
| 10:02.37 | bob2 | the only issue is that it doesn't work in AP mode |
| 10:02.40 | dav89 | on type, can i put AUTO? |
| 10:02.49 | bob2 | dav89: yes |
| 10:02.49 | NetZwerg | dav89, read the manpage |
| 10:03.03 | bob2 | numist: oh and it sometimes pukes when my laptop acpi-resumes |
| 10:03.19 | numist | NetZwerg and bob2: well if anyone asks again.. heres a good page for prism: http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php |
| 10:03.26 | NetZwerg | dav89, if you think of going on with working with linux, you have to read manpages. There is no other way. so: man fstab |
| 10:03.39 | bob2 | numist: prism54 support is a tad dodge, I hear |
| 10:03.40 | numist | bob2: itll be a desktop, no acpi in action |
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| 10:03.45 | numist | d'oh |
| 10:03.47 | bob2 | make sure you can return it if it doesn't work |
| 10:04.13 | bob2 | not that I've used one, this i just what I heard a couple of months back |
| 10:04.28 | dav89 | mount: mount point /mnt/win_c does not exist |
| 10:04.33 | dav89 | but i've written |
| 10:04.36 | numist | bob2: hmm.. so it says on the site.. 54mbit may require a lot of work :S |
| 10:04.37 | bob2 | dav89: again, think that through |
| 10:04.45 | bob2 | dav89: does that directory exist? |
| 10:04.47 | dav89 | dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c auto rw,user 0 0 |
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| 10:04.56 | bob2 | so, no. |
| 10:04.58 | bob2 | create it. |
| 10:05.32 | bob2 | numist: g is a bit of a dodgy standard, too...client mode doesn't work (so no AP's plugged into remote ethernet segments) and it uses 3 channels (iirc) |
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| 10:06.04 | dav89 | uhao it works! |
| 10:06.06 | dav89 | thanks :** |
| 10:06.24 | p2-mate | bob2: huh ? 11g uses only 1 channel, just like 11b |
| 10:06.25 | bob2 | see how much easier things are if you stop babling and start thinking and asking sensible questions? |
| 10:06.39 | bob2 | hrm |
| 10:06.41 | DerJamster | Welcome to the world of fstab. dav89, is that a NTFS partition? |
| 10:06.44 | bob2 | which is the standard that uses 3 then? |
| 10:06.48 | numist | heh, and all the linux compat cards listed are pcmcia, so Id have to adapt that too :P |
| 10:06.51 | bob2 | the "110mbit/s" one? |
| 10:07.01 | dav89 | yes it is |
| 10:07.05 | numist | thats not a real standard though, bob2 |
| 10:07.09 | p2-mate | bob2: yes, they do. but they are not standard |
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| 10:07.20 | NetZwerg | im still waiting for a TI-support with encryption, i guess earliest will be acx100.sf.net |
| 10:07.21 | bob2 | ah, ok |
| 10:07.29 | bob2 | sorry for spreading disinformation |
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| 10:07.44 | DerJamster | dav89: You won't be able to properly write to it then, AFAIK, unless you use the Captive drivers. Right now, it should only be able to..gah, how was it handled in the kernel...overwrite already existing files. |
| 10:07.48 | simonrvn | p2-mate: hi. i'm thinking of taking on quik again. what do you think? |
| 10:07.53 | DerJamster | Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody. |
| 10:07.55 | p2-mate | hi simonrvn :) |
| 10:08.05 | p2-mate | simonrvn: that would be fine by me |
| 10:08.11 | simonrvn | p2-mate: ok |
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| 10:09.20 | dav89 | DerJamster, i haven't understood :( |
| 10:09.24 | dav89 | why can't i write on it? |
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| 10:09.53 | bob2 | because MS sucks, basically |
| 10:10.11 | DerJamster | dav89: because the standard Linux drivers for NTFS won't allow you to. |
| 10:10.16 | NSAfreak | Quick question. Does anybody know where I can download the glibc2.3.5 debian package? packages.debian.org is down :( |
| 10:10.17 | DerJamster | Or only in a limited way. |
| 10:10.28 | bob2 | NSAfreak: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:10.28 | dav89 | but it was on mandrake |
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| 10:10.37 | NSAfreak | update to the newest version of libc6 |
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| 10:10.43 | bob2 | if it involves woody, you're going to be laughed at |
| 10:10.46 | bob2 | NSAfreak: *why*? |
| 10:10.47 | dav89 | and how can i fix the problem? |
| 10:10.51 | DerJamster | Mandrake uses Captive by default? That#s a new one..interesting. |
| 10:10.52 | NSAfreak | counter strike source game servers won't run without the update |
| 10:11.01 | DerJamster | And unprobable. |
| 10:11.11 | Guerin | NSAfreak: you lose. |
| 10:11.13 | bob2 | NSAfreak: then you need to upgrade to sarge |
| 10:11.16 | bob2 | have fun! |
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| 10:11.26 | bob2 | or make a chroot |
| 10:11.38 | NSAfreak | you're kidding, right? I've updated on woody before to libc6 without any issues |
| 10:11.51 | Guerin | NSAfreak: no, you haven't |
| 10:12.03 | Guerin | NSAfreak: once you update libc6, it's no longer woody |
| 10:12.36 | NSAfreak | well, whatever the case may be last time around I downloaded the packages, installed them and everything ran just fine |
| 10:12.54 | Guerin | NSAfreak: you lie |
| 10:13.05 | NSAfreak | uh, why do you say that? |
| 10:13.09 | NSAfreak | Because I didn't have any issues |
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| 10:13.18 | cast | hmm, i seem to have got my little finger stuck in this padlock :/ |
| 10:13.18 | NSAfreak | all my servers, apache, mysql, etc. ran fine |
| 10:13.29 | NSAfreak | programs installed fine |
| 10:13.30 | jeebes | so if windows xp messed up my bootloader, how can I reinstall grub |
| 10:13.32 | NSAfreak | so I didn't see any issues |
| 10:13.40 | jeebes | from a livecd or something? |
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| 10:13.45 | Guerin | NSAfreak: because several hundred packages on your system which depended on a 2.2.x version of libc would have had broken dependencies. |
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| 10:14.03 | bob2 | well |
| 10:14.08 | bob2 | they want at least 2.2 |
| 10:14.12 | bob2 | moving to 2.3 should be fine |
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| 10:14.19 | bob2 | since all the 2.2 symbols are still available |
| 10:14.33 | simonrvn | jeebes: boot from install cd; mount / to somewhere like /target; chroot to /target, run the grub update thingy; done |
| 10:14.53 | NSAfreak | all I want are the package files, and usually packages.debian.org is where I go. What happened to it anyways? |
| 10:15.10 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:15.46 | jeebes | thanks |
| 10:16.07 | jeebes | what is the grub update thingy btw |
| 10:16.16 | ircdevil_trapped | *grumble* |
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| 10:16.23 | NetZwerg | libcurl was for http-parsing wasn't it? |
| 10:16.33 | bob2 | and downloadin |
| 10:16.42 | simonrvn | jeebes: update-grub or such |
| 10:16.43 | ircdevil_trapped | stupid gf, switched off cell phone :o( - i want out! |
| 10:17.05 | NetZwerg | ty |
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| 10:17.27 | ircdevil_trapped | !tell root about root |
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| 10:19.36 | possie | how can i view the printer queues on a remote printer server? |
| 10:20.42 | Gathond | possie: usually lpq will do this (if you specify the correct printer) |
| 10:21.22 | valdyn_ | possie: lpq -P printer@remotehost |
| 10:21.26 | possie | Gathond: also on a remote host? cause i want to add a printer to my cupsys config, but i don't know what the printer queue is |
| 10:21.30 | rsalazar | what was the command to port package selections from one computer to another? |
| 10:21.32 | possie | valdyn_: let me try that |
| 10:22.06 | Gathond | possie: well if it is configured so you can print to that printer it should also be able to get the queue yes |
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| 10:22.32 | julian | julianb |
| 10:23.25 | julian | como configurar disco arranque en molinux |
| 10:23.36 | bob2 | jesus |
| 10:23.37 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 10:23.50 | simonrvn | @spanish |
| 10:23.51 | Trev_ | lpq |
| 10:23.53 | ravenbird | spanish users: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
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| 10:24.15 | julian | thank you |
| 10:24.58 | NSAfreak | I haven't done this before but is doing an apt-get dist-upgrade wise at all? |
| 10:25.44 | DerJamster | Depends. I'm running it daily on my desktop Sarge. |
| 10:26.01 | julian | yes |
| 10:26.24 | NSAfreak | well it seems that unless I want to wait until packages.debian.org comes back up (whenver that is) my only other option to get CS source working is to upgrade to sarge |
| 10:26.33 | NSAfreak | but then I would have to recompile all of the stuff I just compiled |
| 10:26.39 | NSAfreak | unless I'm incorrect about that as well |
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| 10:26.53 | valdyn_ | NSAfreak: why would you need to recompile? |
| 10:27.04 | valdyn_ | NSAfreak: is it c++ source? |
| 10:27.21 | NSAfreak | some of the stuff that has been compiled is C but I'm not sure about C++ |
| 10:27.26 | NSAfreak | I did an install of apache |
| 10:27.28 | NSAfreak | mysql |
| 10:27.37 | NSAfreak | and one other... |
| 10:27.43 | NSAfreak | oh and php |
| 10:27.53 | NSAfreak | I don't want to recompile a bunch of stuff |
| 10:27.56 | valdyn_ | NSAfreak: well, you can just use the packages wich are in sarge too |
| 10:28.00 | NSAfreak | after doing a distribution upgrade |
| 10:28.01 | NSAfreak | well |
| 10:28.09 | NSAfreak | I want to get the libc6 package from sarge |
| 10:28.13 | NSAfreak | but I'm having a hard time finding it |
| 10:28.20 | NSAfreak | I did an apt-cache search |
| 10:28.22 | NSAfreak | no dice |
| 10:28.28 | Guerin | !enter |
| 10:28.29 | NSAfreak | packages.debian.org is down |
| 10:28.29 | Indal | hmm if i make a change to a file that exim uses for mail forwarding, do i have to reload anything? |
| 10:28.44 | simonrvn | wth is that bot? |
| 10:28.56 | Guerin | dpkg: where are you? |
| 10:29.02 | Guerin | @enter |
| 10:29.02 | ravenbird | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 10:29.05 | NSAfreak | I searched freshmeat |
| 10:29.21 | Guerin | NSAfreak: why the hell woould you search freshmeat for a debian package? |
| 10:29.31 | streuner__ | badgers: muh! |
| 10:29.31 | Guerin | NSAfreak: just go through the archive... |
| 10:29.38 | NSAfreak | well it's one of the options the link in /topic suggested |
| 10:29.53 | NSAfreak | which archive? |
| 10:29.55 | cast | ravenbird: a \n char serves fine as a replacement for . in the practical world |
| 10:29.56 | ravenbird | You are moron #1, cast |
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| 10:30.42 | Guerin | NSAfreak: ftp.us.debian.org |
| 10:31.18 | Guerin | cast: this is not the real world; this is irc. And you just got smacked down by a bot; how does it feel? |
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| 10:33.12 | NSAfreak | yep, I'm blind |
| 10:33.16 | NSAfreak | not seeing it on the ftp |
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| 10:33.58 | cast | Guerin: feels great son |
| 10:34.30 | NSAfreak | Sorry for bugging you Guerin but I'm not finding an archive directory on the server anywhere nor the package I'm looking for |
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| 10:36.00 | helloyo | ok, somehow and suddenly i am running a read only file system!? i wrote to it a second ago! |
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| 10:36.33 | broke | hey, do you guys no anything fucked with running two amsn clients in a network behind a gateway ? |
| 10:37.02 | einsteinmg | helloyo: /etc/fstab, / options:errors=remount-ro |
| 10:37.07 | Gathond | broke: file transfers might break, unless you can tell each client to use a specific port range |
| 10:37.18 | einsteinmg | if there is an error, the filesystem will be remountet read-only |
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| 10:38.15 | broke | Gathond > thnkx man, everything seem to be alright now |
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| 10:39.04 | Guerin | NSAfreak: wtf |
| 10:39.08 | Guerin | NSAfreak: it's right there |
| 10:39.22 | NSAfreak | sorry I missed it |
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| 10:40.42 | Guerin | aargh, firefox just crashed on me |
| 10:40.49 | broke | the amsn windows are positioning on stupid places, I cant reach and move them |
| 10:40.54 | Guerin | fucking evil bastard |
| 10:41.10 | broke | like I cant see the "gripbar" |
| 10:41.26 | jm_ | it's quite stable for me at work, been running it for 31 days now, but it sometimes crashes for me at home |
| 10:41.30 | possie | anyone know a nice tool to map my network traffic? gui tool ? |
| 10:41.34 | directhex | broke, hold alt, click & drag anywherein the window |
| 10:42.08 | broke | directhex: thanks man, hehe I did not think of that |
| 10:42.37 | Guerin | NSAfreak: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-20_i386.deb |
| 10:42.58 | Guerin | yeah, it almost never does that any more |
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| 10:45.25 | nikolas | hello, i have a ati radeon 9000 on an debian box, is there a way i can use 3d aceleration ? (for playing tux with more then 3 fps) ? |
| 10:45.44 | SlayerXP | nikolas: you forgot to ask google |
| 10:45.45 | lewinsky | www.ati.com ;-) |
| 10:45.49 | nikolas | i didi that |
| 10:45.55 | nikolas | i instaled the driver on the ati website |
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| 10:46.06 | nikolas | make it from rpm to deb with alien |
| 10:46.13 | nikolas | but still.. it dosen't work |
| 10:46.14 | SlayerXP | nikolas: that was silly of you |
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| 10:46.30 | nikolas | then what should i do ? |
| 10:46.33 | SlayerXP | nikolas: had you bothered to google, you'd know there's a debian specific ati howto |
| 10:46.44 | nikolas | didn't find one |
| 10:46.51 | nikolas | only for fedora core and redhat |
| 10:47.41 | SlayerXP | funny, the very first link returned for "debian ati howto" is the right page |
| 10:48.29 | nikolas | The Debian GNU/Linux AMD64 HOW-TO is my first result ?! |
| 10:48.41 | directhex | google for 'flavio'. |
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| 10:51.39 | Ronin | so glad i dont play games and am quite happy with what i get out of the box with video |
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| 10:52.13 | directhex | nikolas, are you on woody or sarge? |
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| 10:53.39 | cast | ahh. anyone got loop-aes and openbsds vnconfig to read the same partition before? |
| 10:53.47 | julianbeni | crear disco en debian |
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| 10:55.42 | dav89 | hello |
| 10:56.03 | dav89 | how can i get the fils of a web directory such as http://www.test.it/folder |
| 10:56.13 | dav89 | how can i get the files of a web directory such as http://www.test.it/folder |
| 10:56.36 | pingouin | use wget |
| 10:56.37 | knoppy | what do you mean dav89 ? |
| 10:56.45 | knoppy | ok |
| 10:57.10 | knoppy | wget url |
| 10:57.22 | pingouin | man wget even ;) |
| 10:57.29 | jm_ | info wget |
| 10:57.32 | pingouin | too powerfull |
| 10:57.43 | knoppy | wget http://www.test.it/folder |
| 10:57.44 | slackd0Od | wget -r http://www.test.it/folder ? |
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| 10:57.54 | dav89 | i take only index.htm |
| 10:57.55 | slackd0Od | o, heh |
| 10:57.58 | dav89 | and not all the files |
| 10:57.59 | Guerin | wget http://clue |
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| 10:58.24 | knoppy | you need to learn the switches like -r |
| 10:58.50 | pingouin | or right click see source code from the page in firefox/mozilla |
| 10:58.52 | knoppy | wget --help |
| 10:58.57 | pingouin | for the index.html |
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| 10:59.41 | dav89 | on windows there was "TELEPORT" which download EVERYTHING |
| 10:59.50 | pingouin | on what ? |
| 11:00.00 | dav89 | WINDOWS |
| 11:00.01 | slackd0Od | then use windows = P |
| 11:00.05 | directhex | dav89, yes. sounds like wget |
| 11:00.06 | pingouin | why are you computing with windows ? |
| 11:00.09 | slackd0Od | theres also httrack |
| 11:00.13 | dav89 | NO! I DON'T THINK! |
| 11:00.13 | pingouin | i need a computer |
| 11:00.17 | pingouin | not a windows |
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| 11:00.47 | slackd0Od | dav98: http://www.httrack.com/ |
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| 11:00.51 | pingouin | dav89: so run backk windows to record index.html if it's easier/better ;) |
| 11:01.02 | dav89 | how boring |
| 11:01.08 | directhex | sigh. |
| 11:01.11 | Guerin | wow |
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| 11:01.17 | directhex | what's hard about fucking wget? |
| 11:01.21 | directhex | wget is the tool to do this |
| 11:01.24 | Guerin | this is the stupidest discussion I've seen on #debian since sunday |
| 11:01.25 | directhex | it's what it's designed to do |
| 11:01.27 | NSAfreak | great I found the libc6 files but I can't install them because of conflicts, I could force them but then bad things may very well happen |
| 11:01.27 | directhex | that & cure cancer |
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| 11:01.39 | pingouin | i felt in stairs this morning i guess |
| 11:01.42 | Guerin | NSAfreak: what did I tell you? |
| 11:01.46 | slackd0Od | heh, yes it is...but for some reason he doesnt want to use wget |
| 11:01.46 | pingouin | s/i/he ;) |
| 11:01.51 | dav89 | httrack installed with apt-get |
| 11:01.53 | dav89 | thanks! |
| 11:02.03 | slackd0Od | yup |
| 11:02.05 | saerdna | if i apt-get install snmp for example apt will install snmp and it dependencies, how can i apt-get remove snmp and all those dependencies? |
| 11:02.14 | NSAfreak | so should I just do an apt-get to upgrade my distribution Guerin? |
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| 11:02.24 | directhex | saerdna, by using aptitude not apt-get |
| 11:02.26 | pingouin | saerdna: apt-get remove --purge package |
| 11:02.31 | Guerin | NSAfreak: /msg dpkg woody->sarge || apt-get install debootstrap && man debootstrap |
| 11:03.04 | Nemoder | saerdna: you can use deborphan to list unused deps |
| 11:03.07 | saerdna | pingouin: well duh |
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| 11:03.34 | Guerin | pingouin: that doesn't even remotely answer his question |
| 11:03.48 | wegi | saerdna: debfoster |
| 11:03.57 | Guerin | saerdna: with apt-get, you can't do this easily. If you want this functionality, use aptitude |
| 11:04.09 | Guerin | !upgrade depends |
| 11:04.14 | Guerin | !upgrade deps |
| 11:04.16 | Guerin | grrr |
| 11:04.19 | slackd0Od | heh |
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| 11:04.34 | JaQoB | Anyone use oregano (circuit simulation)? |
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| 11:04.43 | Guerin | oh, stupid bot |
| 11:05.40 | Guerin | saerdna: if you're good with awk, you could work something out with that too |
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| 11:05.52 | NSAfreak | Guerin it's telling me that I'll have to force it if I use the command you gave me |
| 11:06.03 | djg | Hi. Anyone using mysql-server on Sarge here? |
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| 11:06.05 | iceman_ | is there something to convert .chm to .pdf ? |
| 11:06.18 | directhex | !chm |
| 11:06.27 | Guerin | NSAfreak: which command? |
| 11:06.28 | djg | I'm having errors when creating temporary tables. |
| 11:06.32 | directhex | hmph. i know there are chm tools to do things. |
| 11:06.40 | Guerin | apt-cache search chm |
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| 11:07.03 | Guerin | it will probably have to go through one or more intermediate formats |
| 11:07.12 | NSAfreak | this command apt-get install debootstrap && man debootstrap |
| 11:07.13 | iceman_ | thanks Guerin |
| 11:07.19 | NSAfreak | although I did try apt-get dist-upgrade sarge |
| 11:07.24 | NSAfreak | gave me the same error |
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| 11:07.29 | Guerin | but the real question is: if the files were meant to be converted, it'd have been written in xml |
| 11:07.35 | Guerin | NSAfreak: WHAT fucking error? |
| 11:07.38 | NSAfreak | sorry |
| 11:07.54 | NSAfreak | unmet dependencies |
| 11:08.19 | NSAfreak | libdb1-compat: Depbends: libc6 (>-2.2.5-13) but 2.2.5-11.8 is installed |
| 11:08.20 | DerJamster | NSAfreak: and you have all the needed sources set to 'testing'? |
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| 11:08.33 | DerJamster | not 'sarge' |
| 11:08.34 | NSAfreak | uh, no |
| 11:08.39 | Guerin | NSAfreak: wow, you fucked something real good up |
| 11:08.50 | NSAfreak | I haven't installed any packages |
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| 11:08.57 | NSAfreak | so if it was fucked up it was fucked to start |
| 11:08.59 | DerJamster | It's 'testing', not 'sarge' until sarge goes stable, AFAIK. |
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| 11:09.11 | Guerin | DerJamster: no |
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| 11:09.17 | DerJamster | No? Hmh. |
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| 11:09.41 | Guerin | NSAfreak: did you not do dpkg -i libc6_newversion.deb? |
| 11:10.00 | DerJamster | NSAfreak: can you put your sources.list on some nopaste site? Wanna see. |
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| 11:10.02 | KimHansen | Is it possible to have more than one partition on a LV in LVM ? |
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| 11:11.02 | djg | Hi, I'm using MySQL 4.0.23 from the Debian package and it cannot save temporary tables to /tmp. Has anyone experienced this and if so, is there a workaround. |
| 11:11.06 | Guerin | NSAfreak: put your sources.list and the output of COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |grep libc6; on a webserver |
| 11:11.18 | Guerin | djg: why can't it? |
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| 11:12.01 | KimHansen | djg: what is the output of 'ls -ld /tmp' and 'df /tmp' ? |
| 11:12.12 | NSAfreak | yeah, give me a moment |
| 11:12.20 | djg | Guerin, the internal errcode reported by MySQL indicates that it cannot change the size of the file (or create it, I guess), however /tmp is world-writable. |
| 11:12.53 | Guerin | djg: full drive? |
| 11:12.56 | djg | Sorry, I'm a knob. hda1 is full. |
| 11:13.03 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:13.25 | djg | I must go now to kill some people. |
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| 11:13.25 | djg | Can I have an alibi for the next five minutes. |
| 11:13.26 | Guerin | djg: go with my blessing |
| 11:13.41 | djg | Thanks all. |
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| 11:17.28 | NSAfreak | Guerin sources.list can be seen at http://www.venomstats.com/sources.list and the grep info you asked for can be seen at http://www.venomstats.com/grepinfo.txt |
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| 11:19.32 | Guerin | NSAfreak: apt-get -f install; |
| 11:19.48 | valdyn_ | !info libc6 woody |
| 11:19.57 | Guerin | dpkg is dead |
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| 11:20.01 | valdyn_ | bah |
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| 11:20.55 | NSAfreak | ok |
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| 11:21.52 | naim | !dvd |
| 11:22.04 | NSAfreak | ls |
| 11:22.07 | NSAfreak | eh sorry |
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| 11:22.26 | Guerin | NSAfreak: can you just try and do one thing at a time? |
| 11:22.37 | NSAfreak | yes sure |
| 11:22.39 | Guerin | NSAfreak: I have things to do |
| 11:22.42 | NSAfreak | I just did what you asked |
| 11:22.45 | Guerin | ok |
| 11:22.49 | Guerin | did it fix stuff? |
| 11:22.56 | NSAfreak | it removed a package |
| 11:22.59 | Guerin | good |
| 11:23.01 | NSAfreak | not sure about "fixed" |
| 11:23.13 | Guerin | now try and install debootstrap |
| 11:23.33 | NSAfreak | using the previous command you gave me I presume? |
| 11:23.39 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:24.00 | NerkN | off topic and turkish --> www.fotograf.web.tr |
| 11:24.15 | NSAfreak | ok it installed and brought up the manual page |
| 11:24.17 | jethro | what would you guys use to recover data from a f***ed up hdd ? keeps on printing DriveSeekError and I can't seem to be able to just mount and cp data from the partitions |
| 11:24.31 | petemc | jethro: use dd_rescue |
| 11:24.45 | Guerin | NSAfreak: ok. Your system is fixed. Now read that manpage, install a sarge chroot and run your cs server within that. |
| 11:24.50 | KimHansen | ftp.dk.debian.org, where do I file a bug against that ? |
| 11:24.53 | jethro | petemc: sounds good, I ll look into it |
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| 11:25.00 | KimHansen | ftp.dk.debian.org _is down_, where do I file a bug against that ? |
| 11:25.03 | Guerin | KimHansen: why? |
| 11:25.09 | Guerin | KimHansen: use .se |
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| 11:25.33 | Guerin | KimHansen: or .de, or any of the several dozen other mirrors within a thousand km of you |
| 11:25.41 | jethro | petemc: you know of any live cd / rescue floppy disc set which has it? (sorry for being rather ot) |
| 11:26.09 | KimHansen | Sure, I use .fi., but I think that the debian.org server should be up |
| 11:26.15 | NSAfreak | so if I understand the documentation correctly I'll be running a basic installation of sarge within woody? |
| 11:26.21 | Guerin | KimHansen: complain on debian-user |
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| 11:26.36 | Guerin | NSAfreak: that's right |
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| 11:26.49 | petemc | jethro: its easy to use it with knoppix, some knoppix variant may have it already hto |
| 11:26.49 | herodes | hi... |
| 11:26.50 | jethro | su - |
| 11:27.12 | jethro | petemc: I ll look into it, thanks again |
| 11:27.56 | Guerin | jethro: haha |
| 11:28.07 | herodes | can i run dayly a script bash (exp user/pass file=bakup_$dat) ? |
| 11:28.10 | Guerin | jethro: you would have done it too if I'd said: |
| 11:28.12 | Guerin | Password: |
| 11:28.15 | herodes | automatly? |
| 11:28.37 | Guerin | herodes: what's stopping you? |
| 11:28.38 | jethro | Guerin: I m lucky petemc did send me a message in the chan and it highlighted, otherwise you'd have all seen it :) |
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| 11:29.05 | nkem | HHI |
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| 11:29.47 | MrKrystal | hi |
| 11:29.57 | MrKrystal | i have fill in a RFP, but it seems that i did it wrong way, and the mail returns me back |
| 11:29.59 | herodes | Guerin, i dont unserestand you. |
| 11:30.26 | rsalazar | jethro: except for the fact that we wouldn't know it was your root passwd unless you told us (-; |
| 11:30.33 | MrKrystal | can anyone please fill in a RFP for LAZARUS please, please ! So long time waiting for it , and still no RFP for it :/ |
| 11:30.35 | jethro | rsalazar: 12:26:51 jethro | su - |
| 11:30.41 | Guerin | rsalazar: except that he did "su -" immediately beforehand |
| 11:30.43 | nkem | ANYONE CARE FOR A CHAT |
| 11:30.48 | Guerin | nkem: NO |
| 11:30.53 | rsalazar | oh, i see hahahha |
| 11:30.58 | MrKrystal | http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ |
| 11:30.59 | rsalazar | i missed that one |
| 11:31.57 | nkem | WHY NO |
| 11:32.20 | nkem | GUERIN |
| 11:32.40 | rsalazar | nkem: shut up. |
| 11:32.48 | Guerin | nkem: BECAUSE THIS ISNT A CHAT CHANNEL |
| 11:32.58 | Guerin | @topicsmite nkem |
| 11:33.00 | ravenbird | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon nkem. And all the people marvelled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 11:33.24 | nkem | AM NEW HERE |
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| 11:33.36 | dav89 | hello, how can i install ipv6 support on debian? |
| 11:33.45 | nkem | WHAT IS THIS PLACE ALLL ABOUT |
| 11:33.46 | directhex | dav89, install a 2.6 kernel. |
| 11:33.53 | SlayerXP | dav89: the same way as any other linux distro |
| 11:33.58 | jethro | nkem: remove the caps lock it's getting boring |
| 11:33.59 | rsalazar | dav89: afaik, it comes with 2.6 kernels |
| 11:33.59 | Guerin | @topicbadger nkem |
| 11:34.02 | directhex | nkem, DEBIAN GNU/LINUX SUPPORT |
| 11:34.16 | ricky_clarkson | nkem: Microsoft Windows. |
| 11:34.16 | dav89 | why has sarge installed kernl 2.4? |
| 11:34.25 | Guerin | @caps |
| 11:34.25 | jethro | rsalazar: directhex 2.4 kernels packaged by debian have v6 too |
| 11:34.25 | ravenbird | Do not type whole lines/nicks in caps. It's bloody annoying and will make people not want to answer you. |
| 11:34.30 | SlayerXP | dav89: because you told it to |
| 11:34.31 | directhex | dav89, you asked it to |
| 11:34.35 | nkem | WHY DID U WANT ME TO REMOVE CAP |
| 11:34.39 | nkem | REASON |
| 11:34.44 | ricky_clarkson | Annoying. |
| 11:34.45 | dav89 | i haven't asked its that |
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| 11:34.50 | dav89 | it has done it aoln |
| 11:34.50 | jethro | someone kicks his boring butt? |
| 11:34.50 | directhex | nkem, BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING ANNOYING |
| 11:34.50 | SlayerXP | nkem: caps takes up more bandwidth |
| 11:34.52 | Guerin | @ops nkem is too stupid to use irc |
| 11:34.52 | dav89 | alone* |
| 11:34.54 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: nkem is too stupid to use irc |
| 11:35.03 | dav89 | how can i replace the kernel? |
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| 11:35.14 | directhex | dav89, it's the default on i386. if you read the screen, you'd know how to install with 2.6 |
| 11:35.15 | jethro | dav89: apt-get install kernel-image-<version> |
| 11:35.28 | directhex | dav89, apt-get install kernel-image-fooversion. apt-cache search kernel-image to pick one |
| 11:35.29 | rsalazar | jethro: you have a point. However, i don't remember if ipv6 support is enabled by default in 2.4 kernels, hence i gave a safe answer d-: |
| 11:35.37 | jethro | rsalazar: :) |
| 11:35.38 | dav89 | where can i find image for i686? netist? |
| 11:35.41 | nkem | WHY U INSULTING ME |
| 11:35.42 | Guerin | @caps =~ s/not want to answer you./want to kill you and chop you up into bite-size kibbles to feed to their cats./ |
| 11:35.43 | ravenbird | OK, Guerin |
| 11:35.46 | bob2 | nkem: please stop being annoying |
| 11:35.50 | jethro | I ve used v6 on 2.4 kernels for a while |
| 11:35.52 | bob2 | dav89: there isn't one |
| 11:36.14 | dav89 | why? |
| 11:36.30 | directhex | dav89, why would there be? |
| 11:36.36 | Guerin | dav89: because you can get a 686 kernel and libc, so there's no point in the rest. |
| 11:36.53 | Guerin | dav89: despite what mandy-dandies and gentoobies would say. |
| 11:36.55 | dav89 | guering which kernel is for 686?which versione and name' |
| 11:36.56 | nkem | THIS IS ANOYING PLACE TO BE |
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| 11:37.06 | jethro | aaaaaaah |
| 11:37.08 | jethro | ty bob |
| 11:37.08 | DerJamster | nkem: Then leave. |
| 11:37.10 | Guerin | dav89: apt-cache search kernel-image |grep 686 |
| 11:37.14 | DerJamster | ah, okay. |
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| 11:37.35 | directhex | Guerin, or apt-cache search kernel-image 686 |
| 11:37.54 | dav89 | which should i install? there are so many.... |
| 11:37.55 | Guerin | directhex: hrm, yeah, I always forget it searches on more than one term |
| 11:37.58 | NSAfreak | Guerin I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but whenever I try and run debootstrap sarge sarge it retrieves a bunch of stuff but ends that it couldn't download console-tools-libs, I've tried a couple of different mirrors with the same result? Am I use the command incorrectly? |
| 11:38.09 | Guerin | dav89: intall the one with the biggest number |
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| 11:38.41 | dav89 | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP. |
| 11:38.43 | Guerin | NSAfreak: I don't know. For a start, you haven't said what command you were using; for another thing, I haven't used debootstrap in ages; I'm not an expert. |
| 11:38.55 | dav89 | but i have intel p4 3ghz 1gb ram |
| 11:38.57 | Guerin | dav89: you don't need smp |
| 11:38.59 | dav89 | not celeron |
| 11:39.00 | NSAfreak | the command I'm using is debootstrap sarge sarge |
| 11:39.04 | NSAfreak | it recognizes the distribution |
| 11:39.05 | directhex | Guerin, yes he does. hyperthreading. |
| 11:39.10 | NSAfreak | and starts to download files from ftp.debian.org |
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| 11:39.22 | dav89 | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4. |
| 11:39.25 | dav89 | what bout this? |
| 11:39.28 | dav89 | about* |
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| 11:39.36 | directhex | dav89, you DO want smp. the first one was correct. |
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| 11:39.52 | dav89 | what is SMP? |
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| 11:40.02 | NSAfreak | symmetric multiprocessing |
| 11:40.15 | directhex | dav89, symmetric multi processing. or shared memory programming, in some circles. |
| 11:40.16 | dav89 | and what is symmetric multiprocessing? |
| 11:40.23 | NSAfreak | it's used for systems with more than one CPU, physical or virtual |
| 11:40.24 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: Use the web to find out. |
| 11:40.25 | directhex | dav89, i.e. dual cpus. or hyperthreading on one cpu |
| 11:40.26 | bob2 | if you don't know what it is, you don't have it |
| 11:40.37 | Guerin | do all p4s@3.0 do hyperthreading? |
| 11:40.42 | dav89 | i've got hyperthreading one |
| 11:40.42 | directhex | Guerin, yes. |
| 11:40.45 | Guerin | oh |
| 11:40.49 | Guerin | roight then |
| 11:40.54 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=4vc7ebmv7hpfu?sbid=lc01b?dym=0&cid=864116621&method=6 |
| 11:40.57 | Guerin | here I was thinking you were just a good mindreader |
| 11:41.10 | dav89 | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp and so....is this good? |
| 11:41.20 | Guerin | dav89: yes |
| 11:41.20 | directhex | dav89, yes, as i said 2 minutes ago. |
| 11:41.25 | dav89 | ok very well |
| 11:41.36 | dav89 | do i need to stop kde to update kernel? |
| 11:42.08 | directhex | dav89, no, but you'll need to reboot to use it |
| 11:42.17 | dav89 | ok.... |
| 11:42.31 | dav89 | and will debian system recompile all the applications? |
| 11:42.38 | SlayerXP | .... |
| 11:42.40 | directhex | why would it do that? |
| 11:42.51 | dav89 | i don't know :) |
| 11:42.56 | dav89 | ok i'm downloading it |
| 11:43.33 | NSAfreak | Guerin I also wanted to let you know that after trying the debootstrap utility I tried to use chroot to see if it was working at all, guess it didn't fully install becaus there is no /bin/bash |
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| 11:44.20 | NSAfreak | Do I have any other options here or should I try and do an apt-get to update to sarge? |
| 11:44.23 | KIKY | hi |
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| 11:44.39 | ags_ | is there anywhere to look to check debian server status? people.debian.org doesn't respond |
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| 11:46.08 | peterS | ags_: according to one source, those debian servers are scheduled to return in just over 5 hours |
| 11:46.19 | ags_ | ok thx |
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| 11:46.34 | ags_ | is that source located somewhere public? :) |
| 11:47.02 | nikolas | hello, is there a way to boot from a LVM partition ? |
| 11:47.14 | peterS | ags_: it was Ryan Murray on irc, and I'm getting the info second-hand |
| 11:47.28 | ags_ | thanks peterS |
| 11:47.38 | peterS | so you're getting it third-hand, so who knows (: |
| 11:47.49 | ags_ | *grin* oh well, trust |
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| 11:48.33 | dav89 | ok |
| 11:48.37 | dav89 | now i restartthe system |
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| 11:55.42 | nessie | does anyone know when gluck will be back? |
| 11:55.58 | peterS | nessie: according to second-hand information, 5 hours from now |
| 11:56.06 | nessie | cheers |
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| 12:04.20 | bactis | is 3,5 gb enough for a debian sarge desktop installation? |
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| 12:04.25 | glick | hello |
| 12:04.42 | glick | excuse me how can i get real player for debian? |
| 12:04.47 | PerfDave | bactis: Plenty |
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| 12:06.06 | plagerism | anyone know of a mirror of alioth where I can get the amd64 netinst?? |
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| 12:06.44 | plagerism | someone kill jane_21f bot |
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| 12:07.15 | fooz | why? |
| 12:07.57 | plagerism | cause its an adbot |
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| 12:08.08 | ricky_clarkson | "every time I type /whois Jane_21f it makes Freenode flood my window" |
| 12:08.28 | fooz | i see |
| 12:08.32 | ricky_clarkson | plagerism: What triggers it? |
| 12:08.36 | einsteinmg | is there a diverence between read with dd or mount and find|cat>/dev/null? |
| 12:08.37 | plagerism | onjoin |
| 12:08.44 | ricky_clarkson | fooz: Did you see anything? |
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| 12:08.52 | fooz | i got msg'd "hi" |
| 12:08.54 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
| 12:08.58 | einsteinmg | in this case on cd and dvd's |
| 12:09.05 | plagerism | fooz if you answer it, it sends you an add |
| 12:09.06 | ledet | <Jane_21f> hi |
| 12:09.07 | fooz | but i did just leave and rejoin |
| 12:09.08 | ledet | me too |
| 12:09.09 | fooz | plagerism, ahh |
| 12:09.13 | vulture | einsteinmg: lots.. |
| 12:09.15 | fooz | ok. yeah then |
| 12:09.25 | vulture | find|cat would just echo file names.. |
| 12:09.28 | ricky_clarkson | !ops get rid of Jane_21f please, it's an adbot. /whois for more |
| 12:09.34 | einsteinmg | vulture: with dd i've lots of i/o errors, with mount and find|cat nothing |
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| 12:09.38 | vulture | to dev null of all places.. |
| 12:09.39 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: wake up |
| 12:09.40 | simonrvn | @ops get rid of Jane_21f please, it's an adbot. /whois for more |
| 12:09.44 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: get rid of Jane_21f please, it's an adbot. /who is for more |
| 12:09.52 | vulture | einsteinmg: they are completely different operations, not really comparable.. |
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| 12:10.03 | einsteinmg | vulture: yea jes |
| 12:10.06 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: weird - did /whois -> /who is |
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| 12:10.20 | simonrvn | i copied straight from my screen |
| 12:10.21 | plagerism | anyone know somewhere besides alioth where I can get an amd64 netinst?? |
| 12:10.21 | fooz | ah that's a neat trick, but why'd it put a space between who and is? |
| 12:10.24 | simonrvn | strange |
| 12:10.30 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Yeah, but ravenbird didn't. |
| 12:10.31 | einsteinmg | vulture: but with mount the i can read the cd just fine, dd aborts with lots i/o errors |
| 12:10.34 | einsteinmg | atapi bus reset |
| 12:10.38 | fooz | simonrvn, hmm install chkrootkit! your bot's been hax0red! |
| 12:10.41 | einsteinmg | disabling of dma |
| 12:10.41 | fooz | hehe |
| 12:10.43 | einsteinmg | ... |
| 12:10.48 | simonrvn | rn it yesterday ;p |
| 12:10.51 | simonrvn | ran* |
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| 12:10.52 | c | is there a freenode server that listens on a different port than 6667? |
| 12:11.11 | peterS | c: no, you can't use irc from ipv6.he.net, sorry |
| 12:11.13 | ricky_clarkson | c: Most of them listen on 6666 and 8001. |
| 12:11.19 | vulture | einsteinmg: so? I guess the filesystem (iso9660) has some built in error checking, so it doesn't matter too much about a few bad reads at that level.. at a guess |
| 12:11.38 | einsteinmg | vulture: ah.. thx :), i thought about the same |
| 12:11.42 | peterS | mascht_: for one thing it'd be pretty rude to abuse a service you're using for free, to do something they explicitly tried to prevent |
| 12:11.48 | mascht_ | ricky_clarkson: thx, u saved my day :) |
| 12:11.51 | simonrvn | freenode has 7000 for tunnel brokers like he.net |
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| 12:11.55 | plagerism | Anyone know an eta on alioth being back up?? It was supposed to be back up at 12:00 last night |
| 12:12.12 | peterS | plagerism: latest word, second-hand, is 5 hours from now |
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| 12:13.14 | plagerism | ughh that sucks |
| 12:13.24 | plagerism | brand new system sitting here with no OS |
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| 12:14.52 | valdyn_ | is9660 does not have significant error checking |
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| 12:15.03 | valdyn_ | iso9660 does not have significant error checking |
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| 12:16.09 | sorahn | hello folks, i was wondering if there is a way to look at and maybe search through the packaged currently installed on a maching. |
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| 12:16.19 | DerJamster | dpkg -l |
| 12:16.22 | DerJamster | aptitude |
| 12:16.24 | DerJamster | synaptic |
| 12:16.28 | DerJamster | lotsa ways. |
| 12:16.30 | PerfDave | sorahn: apt-cache, dpkg, kpackage... |
| 12:16.48 | DerJamster | apt-cache has a param to only search the local machine? |
| 12:16.54 | valdyn_ | sorahn: "dpkg -l | grep ^ii" gets your installed packages |
| 12:17.08 | sorahn | thank you |
| 12:17.11 | sorahn | :) |
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| 12:19.29 | KimHansen | valdyn_: Packages with status 'hi' is also installed |
| 12:19.42 | simonrvn | try grep "^.i" |
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| 12:20.20 | sorahn | can you add a "| less" onto that too |
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| 12:20.25 | ricky_clarkson | DerJamster: apt-cache only searches the local machine. That's what the word 'cache' in apt-cache means. |
| 12:20.49 | mascht_ | port 6660 failed but 8001 did it :) |
| 12:21.02 | valdyn_ | KimHansen: ops! |
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| 12:21.26 | valdyn_ | KimHansen: held packages i guess, never used that |
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| 12:21.49 | sorahn | ricky_clarkson: but i didnt know there was a way to search installed packages. i only thought it could search available packages, i think he did too |
| 12:22.12 | ricky_clarkson | sorahn: dpkg -L lists packages, you can use grep to find only installed packages. |
| 12:22.31 | ricky_clarkson | sorahn: dpkg -L | grep "^ii" | less |
| 12:22.32 | peterS | mascht_: did you check with your network administrator to see if you're so special that it's ok for you to evade their block on port 6667? |
| 12:22.33 | ricky_clarkson | I think. |
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| 12:22.37 | sorahn | right |
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| 12:23.01 | sorahn | but is that possible with apt-cache? |
| 12:23.12 | sorahn | just curiosity now |
| 12:23.23 | PerfDave | apt-cache policy will tell you whether packages are installed, for example. |
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| 12:24.19 | dav89 | i've installed new kernel |
| 12:24.24 | dav89 | but when i boot with that |
| 12:24.30 | dav89 | x server doesn't work |
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| 12:24.36 | mascht_ | peterS: they just don't want that we run an irc server and don't know how to configure the fw :) |
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| 12:25.06 | DerJamster | ricky_clarkson: yes, but it lists -all- avaible packets, not only those installed |
| 12:25.09 | peterS | mascht_: the difference between a source port and a destination port should be obvious to anyone qualified to run even a simple firewall (: |
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| 12:25.16 | DerJamster | ricky_clarkson: sorry for the late reaction :> |
| 12:25.17 | bactis | how can i compile my kernel by myself with sarge netinstall? |
| 12:25.22 | dav89 | how can i solve with x windows system??? |
| 12:25.32 | ricky_clarkson | DerJamster: So. You. Pipe. It. Through. grep. Like. I. Just. Said. |
| 12:25.37 | KimHansen | dav89: Are you using nvidia drivers ? |
| 12:25.41 | dav89 | ati |
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| 12:25.58 | ricky_clarkson | DerJamster: 'sorahn: dpkg -L | grep "^ii" | less' - entienda? |
| 12:26.04 | dav89 | i've tryied to do xfree86config |
| 12:26.09 | dav89 | but it didn't work anyway |
| 12:26.12 | directhex | dav89, were you using fglrx? |
| 12:26.22 | DerJamster | ricky_clarkson: capiche. *nod* |
| 12:26.23 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:26.27 | dav89 | what is fglrx?? |
| 12:26.32 | DerJamster | ati drivers. |
| 12:26.34 | simonrvn | s/^ii/^.i/ |
| 12:26.39 | jethro | DerJamster: you can still dpkg --get-selections | grep ' install' |
| 12:26.40 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: small "l" |
| 12:26.44 | dav89 | ok and so what should i do? |
| 12:26.49 | KimHansen | ricky_clarkson: packages with status 'hi' or 'ri' are also installed |
| 12:26.51 | simonrvn | yeh, small l |
| 12:26.56 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: dpkg -l ? |
| 12:26.58 | dav89 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:26.59 | dav89 | then? |
| 12:27.01 | sorahn | ok thanks guys |
| 12:27.02 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: yea |
| 12:27.02 | ricky_clarkson | Hokay. |
| 12:27.02 | sorahn | :) |
| 12:27.19 | PerfDave | Is dpkg dead? |
| 12:27.24 | valdyn_ | dpkg -l | grep "^[r|h|i]i" |
| 12:27.25 | ricky_clarkson | !ping |
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| 12:27.38 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg -i sussudio filter |
| 12:27.41 | simonrvn | apt and ravenbird are still around. badgers isn't here yet |
| 12:28.24 | apt | simonrvn: okay |
| 12:28.24 | directhex | dav89, which version of debian, which card? |
| 12:28.24 | PerfDave | dav89: Read /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see what's wrong, use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to fix it |
| 12:28.24 | simonrvn | apt: ping |
| 12:28.25 | apt | pong |
| 12:28.25 | dav89 | sarge the latest |
| 12:28.25 | directhex | dav89, and was it working before? |
| 12:28.25 | dav89 | ati radeon 9600 256mbRAM |
| 12:28.25 | dav89 | yes now i'm on 2.4 and it works |
| 12:28.25 | simonrvn | crap. apt is gonna timing out... |
| 12:28.25 | simonrvn | time* |
| 12:28.25 | dav89 | it doesn't work when i boot with 2.6 |
| 12:28.32 | simonrvn | ... |
| 12:28.33 | directhex | dav89, which drivers are you using? |
| 12:28.34 | ricky_clarkson | themolester: netsurfer: Please turn off your response to !ping |
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| 12:28.43 | dav89 | directhex, i don't know |
| 12:28.49 | simonrvn | apt: forget and ravenbird |
| 12:28.49 | apt | simonrvn: i forgot and ravenbird |
| 12:28.59 | jethro | apt be a good bot |
| 12:28.59 | apt | jethro: thanks |
| 12:29.21 | Supaplex | apt, be jethro's lover |
| 12:29.26 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 12:29.29 | jethro | no thanks I m more into chicks :) |
| 12:29.36 | directhex | dav89, sigh. real helpful there. okay, if you've used any tools which mess with your x config, first thing is to md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 12:29.40 | Supaplex | literally! |
| 12:29.42 | Supaplex | :p |
| 12:29.45 | directhex | dav89, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:29.52 | directhex | dav89, pick the ati of vesa driver. |
| 12:31.22 | dav89 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 when i boot with 2.6 or now with 2.4? |
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| 12:33.17 | azreal | dav89: assumeing you screwed up X in 2.6 and not 2.4 |
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| 12:33.36 | dobby_ | how can i read the only the text of a pdf file and store it into another txt file |
| 12:33.37 | dobby_ | ? |
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| 12:34.29 | derobert | dobby_: I think there is a pdftotext command to do that |
| 12:34.57 | Supaplex | dobby_: if not, you can fireup adobe acrobat and use the text selection tool |
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| 12:35.12 | simonrvn | eew. f/oss tools please |
| 12:35.33 | derobert | s/acrobat reader/xpdf/ |
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| 12:35.36 | Supaplex | the reader is free :P |
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| 12:35.51 | fooz | no it isn't |
| 12:35.51 | derobert | Supaplex: no, it isn't. Not even close. |
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| 12:36.03 | fooz | you pay.. WITH YOUR SOUL |
| 12:36.06 | ZooBia | who i mount .nrg image??? |
| 12:36.17 | ZooBia | in debian |
| 12:36.18 | Supaplex | ZooBia: convert it to an iso |
| 12:36.30 | ZooBia | only rename? |
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| 12:37.05 | fooz | no, you need to shave off the nero header |
| 12:37.05 | fooz | search google for the tool |
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| 12:37.05 | sorahn | does anyone here know how to change the default web directory of apache2? |
| 12:37.33 | derobert | sorahn: /etc/apache2/ |
| 12:38.10 | derobert | sorahn: look for DocumentRoot in one of those files |
| 12:38.10 | sorahn | ok |
| 12:38.10 | sorahn | thanks |
| 12:38.10 | Supaplex | ZooBia: I have a nrg2iso util, but I don't know where I have its source |
| 12:38.47 | ZooBia | have anyone program to convert .nrg to .iso?? |
| 12:39.00 | derobert | ZooBia: apt-cache show nrt2iso |
| 12:39.03 | derobert | nrg2iso |
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| 12:39.22 | derobert | never used it, but apt-cache search found it quickly |
| 12:39.40 | derobert | (wonder if its in stable...) |
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| 12:39.54 | Supaplex | nope, atleast not on my box. |
| 12:40.10 | peterS | NRT isn't a filesystem format, it's pressure times volume |
| 12:40.22 | derobert | peterS: lol, yes, typo |
| 12:40.37 | Supaplex | stands for no real talent |
| 12:40.40 | Supaplex | or something ;) |
| 12:40.57 | peterS | nah, molar quantity times a constant R times temperature |
| 12:41.02 | WorkerII | http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=5082 |
| 12:42.05 | derobert | ... preferably in a .deb |
| 12:42.05 | peterS | derobert: don't make me pass gas to you via DCC |
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| 12:42.05 | Delph | simonrvn: thats a non-ideal gas, in any company. |
| 12:42.05 | ZooBia | thkz |
| 12:42.06 | peterS | Delph: yes, quite (: |
| 12:42.16 | DDRP | I just ran make-kpkg kernel_image and didn't get a .deb |
| 12:42.20 | WorkerII | mistell. |
| 12:42.22 | simonrvn | it is ideal. ideal to make people leave the room ;) |
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| 12:42.35 | derobert | DDRP: did you get an error? |
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| 12:42.47 | derobert | ... also, did you check the parent directory for the deb? |
| 12:42.49 | peterS | /part bbl, simonrvn passed an ideal gas |
| 12:42.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 12:42.59 | DDRP | Nope, everything looked like a success. I used kernel-source-2.4.27 |
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| 12:43.09 | DDRP | Yeah, I expected it to be in the parent directoryt |
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| 12:43.55 | DDRP | I just ran it again and got cpp0: output pipe has been closed |
| 12:44.04 | DDRP | Am I supposed to be using -source or -tree from the packages>? |
| 12:44.10 | derobert | DDRP: there was probably an error somewhere... you'll need to scroll back and find it |
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| 12:44.48 | DDRP | I'll run script and make-kpkg kernel_image again |
| 12:45.05 | derobert | DDRP: depends on what you want... I think kernel-tree includes the debian patch |
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| 12:45.38 | derobert | DDRP: kernel-tree is just a virtual package to pull in all the needed stuff |
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| 12:46.04 | derobert | (at least I think it is; no way an Installed-Size of 48 can be a kernel source tree) |
| 12:46.05 | DDRP | OK, I'll clear it all out and grab tree instead |
| 12:46.30 | simonrvn | Supaplex: bleh |
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| 12:47.40 | Supaplex | simonrvn: heh, was it a stinker? :P |
| 12:47.47 | da_bon_bon | how do i update from sarge to sid ? |
| 12:47.54 | simonrvn | /dcc close get Supaplex ;p |
| 12:48.04 | fish_ | re |
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| 12:48.20 | Supaplex | da_bon_bon: that's the infamous question that illistrates you don't want sid |
| 12:48.45 | da_bon_bon | Supaplex: meaning ? cant i just updat my repositories or something ? |
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| 12:49.25 | Supaplex | da_bon_bon: yup. it's a stopgap from ppl asking zillions of questions on sid, when they don't belong there. |
| 12:49.55 | idis | hi, anyone seen machines at HP back online, or any news? |
| 12:49.57 | derobert | da_bon_bon: yes, you can. Technically, updating to sid even from woody is simple. However, if you need to ask how to do that, then chances are you'll be in trouble the first time sid breaks. |
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| 12:50.28 | da_bon_bon | Supaplex, derobert: u use sid ? what do u do when it breaks ? |
| 12:50.41 | derobert | da_bon_bon: no, I'm using testing |
| 12:50.52 | derobert | da_bon_bon: I have no desire to have it break :-) |
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| 12:51.27 | derobert | da_bon_bon: is there some reason you want sid? |
| 12:51.28 | da_bon_bon | derobert: isnt testing same as unstable ? |
| 12:51.34 | da_bon_bon | derobert: no, jsut asking. |
| 12:51.41 | Supaplex | I usualy backport stuff I want from sid. I use testing, and stable (workstation, servers) |
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| 12:52.07 | derobert | da_bon_bon: no, is delayed somewhat and generally breaks far less often. testing, for example, did not see the pam breakage unstable saw. |
| 12:52.09 | azreal | da_bon_bon: read some docs on debian.org. you will find a wealth of useful information there. |
| 12:52.18 | coachz | hi, what package do i need to unzip files ? |
| 12:52.26 | Supaplex | coachz: uhm. unzip |
| 12:52.30 | paulswm | da_bon_bon: I have been running debian for years, and I use testing. Unless there's a package in sid on which your life or business depends, it's not worth the potential problems, IMO, life's hard enough as it is |
| 12:52.31 | Guerin | coachz: you nead apt-cache search |
| 12:52.41 | coachz | beautiful ;-) |
| 12:52.50 | da_bon_bon | paulswm: i agree completely... |
| 12:52.54 | da_bon_bon | azreal: thanks. |
| 12:53.21 | coachz | how's the debian world doing this morning ? |
| 12:53.33 | fooz | coachz, it's no longer sunday!!!1 |
| 12:53.39 | da_bon_bon | coachz: it will find a new member today. :) |
| 12:53.43 | Supaplex | da_bon_bon: unstable only guarantees the package built. it assures no quality beyond that (or even that in some cases). |
| 12:53.56 | coachz | mondays blow |
| 12:54.04 | coachz | ls |
| 12:54.06 | coachz | oops |
| 12:54.06 | Guerin | and not in a good way |
| 12:54.08 | Supaplex | not when it's your weekend :P |
| 12:54.13 | fooz | no, in #debian you don't want it to be sunday |
| 12:54.13 | coachz | Guerin, hahah |
| 12:54.15 | DDRP | I'm chilled this Monday... I quit my job |
| 12:54.26 | Guerin | it's not the fact that it's monday that I'm hating, though |
| 12:54.26 | coachz | DDRP, feels great huh? |
| 12:54.32 | DDRP | Yeah, it was a crap job |
| 12:54.43 | fooz | i want to quit mine but I need a replacement |
| 12:54.46 | Guerin | it's the fact that this is my last week in this job, and I have insane amounts of mostly worthless shite to do. |
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| 12:54.52 | coachz | i have a really interesting job that doesn't pay jack |
| 12:54.52 | derobert | fooz: what happens 'round here Sundays? |
| 12:55.01 | fooz | derobert, the idiots come out |
| 12:55.02 | Guerin | for which I'm not likely to be properly compensated, etc. |
| 12:55.03 | coachz | i gotta find my a boring job that pays |
| 12:55.12 | d00f | does libaio package exist for testing ? |
| 12:55.12 | Supaplex | coachz: I hope your name isn't jack. ;) |
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| 12:55.16 | derobert | fooz: That's only Sunday? |
| 12:55.21 | coachz | Supaplex, rofl |
| 12:55.23 | fooz | derobert, hehe |
| 12:55.25 | DDRP | My last job involved putting caps on screws and brushing the floor when it didn't need sweeping |
| 12:55.31 | fooz | derobert, well, sometimes every day is sunday |
| 12:55.50 | coachz | DDRP, if the floor doesn't need sweeping, polish it ! |
| 12:55.53 | Guerin | actually, it's been proven that every day in #debian is sunday |
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| 12:56.07 | DDRP | coachz: That wasn't part of the job |
| 12:56.07 | derobert | Guerin: is every month September as well? |
| 12:56.17 | azreal | i use to polish crabs |
| 12:56.19 | Guerin | derobert: oh, that's the whole internet, not just #debian |
| 12:56.24 | coachz | haha |
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| 12:56.39 | fooz | DDRP, sounds like a nice job |
| 12:56.51 | Guerin | derobert: I actually got a 'date' package which gives the eternal september date |
| 12:56.57 | da_bon_bon | Supaplex: so whats difference between testing and unstable ? |
| 12:56.58 | derobert | lol |
| 12:57.04 | Guerin | courtesy of one of the regulars in #mutt |
| 12:57.25 | derobert | Guerin: what's the output look like? |
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| 12:57.30 | DDRP | fooz: Yeah, it was one of those jobs where anybody could do it. No interview or anything, you don't need to know English |
| 12:57.31 | fooz | should make one where it's always sunday |
| 12:57.34 | azreal | i used to also rip them in half continuosly day in and day out while they were still alive |
| 12:57.35 | DDRP | or know anything, really |
| 12:57.45 | fooz | DDRP, did you have to clean bathrooms or anything? |
| 12:58.18 | DDRP | Nah, nothing like that |
| 12:58.18 | fooz | today is Sun Sep 31 04:57:39 PST 2005 |
| 12:58.19 | fooz | hehe |
| 12:58.40 | azreal | i have bad crab karma |
| 12:58.43 | derobert | lol |
| 12:58.58 | peterS | fooz: your locale settings apparently specify some language where "Sep" is an abbreviation for the first month of the year? |
| 12:59.10 | ricky_clarkson | coachz: That sounds dodgy. |
| 12:59.24 | ricky_clarkson | coachz: Non-water solvents in your bloodstream can cause serious death. |
| 12:59.26 | WorkerII | I guess the silence means that I am either on ignore, people don't think I did a decent job to solve the problem myself, nobody can help me, or nobody cares to help me for other reasons? |
| 12:59.35 | WorkerII | That was a mistell. :) |
| 12:59.48 | fooz | peterS, /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/#debian |
| 12:59.51 | derobert | WorkerII: ??? |
| 12:59.54 | peterS | fooz: hehehe |
| 12:59.56 | herodes | how can i see output date in dd/mm/yyyy format? |
| 13:00.01 | Guerin | derobert: hrm, I don't have that version any more. It was something like September 4786 1993 |
| 13:00.04 | DDRP | Serious death? How can death not be serious? |
| 13:00.06 | Guerin | herodes: man date |
| 13:00.11 | derobert | Guerin: lol |
| 13:00.22 | herodes | date -d "%D" i saw |
| 13:00.27 | herodes | but fails |
| 13:00.37 | ricky_clarkson | DDRP: If you die while trying to chase a sheep, that's a non-serious death. |
| 13:00.43 | fooz | haha |
| 13:00.50 | peterS | herodes: date +%d/%m/%Y |
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| 13:01.06 | Guerin | derobert: I have a different version which was written to make mutt show the date as %H%M%S if the message was recieved in the past 24 hours, and in %y%m%d if it wasn't |
| 13:01.17 | DDRP | Surely death is death... you can't have a more serious prognosis |
| 13:01.28 | peterS | DDRP: also, if you die in Counterstrike, that's a non-serious death |
| 13:01.36 | fooz | peterS, or any MMORPG |
| 13:01.39 | ricky_clarkson | peterS: Blasphemy! |
| 13:01.46 | bwbettin | I've got my usb jumpdrive working. Whenever I put files on it, their permissions are set to executable. It happens to every file. Is there any way to make it preserve file rwx permissions? |
| 13:01.52 | derobert | DDRP: Not really. What about Kenny, in Sourth Park? Or Excel in Excel Saga? |
| 13:01.58 | peterS | if you die in a live-action RPG, that's just comical |
| 13:02.13 | DDRP | My lappy will take forever to install these new packages... I'd better go out in a minute, as notto waste time |
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| 13:02.26 | DDRP | derobert: Fantasy death != death |
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| 13:02.34 | fooz | derobert, or Excel in Microsoft Excel? |
| 13:02.35 | azreal | DDRP: what about mostly dead? |
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| 13:03.06 | bend | does any one know how to talk pop3 so I can test with out a gui access? |
| 13:03.08 | da_bon_bon | whats this debian affinity with stupid toy story 2 - gives so :P names like woody, sarge, sid! |
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| 13:03.35 | DDRP | I'm updating my lappy to testing |
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| 13:03.48 | peterS | bend: what do you want to test - just basic connectivity? telnet servername pop3, wait for the +OK prompt, type USER username, wait, type PASS password, see if it likes you |
| 13:03.55 | derobert | bend: telnet popserver pop3. There is an RFC describing the commands, but USER username, PASS password should get you started |
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| 13:04.04 | directhex | da_bon_bon, toy story 1, not 2 |
| 13:04.07 | DDRP | da_bon_bon: Just call it stable/testing/unstable |
| 13:04.42 | Ashtars_fanclub | I need help configuring my keybord, its a usb logitech elite or something like that, in text mode everything but left alt workes as supposed but in X no of the alt keys works exccept for switching (alt)+(ctrl)+(fx) works fine |
| 13:04.52 | peterS | lag is always a good culprit |
| 13:05.04 | da_bon_bon | directhex: anything. |
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| 13:05.28 | da_bon_bon | DDRP: woody/sarge/sid = stable/testing/unstable ? |
| 13:05.32 | bend | thanys peterS derobert |
| 13:05.39 | DDRP | Yeah |
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| 13:06.30 | da_bon_bon | DDRP: so, if i install from a sarge dvd i have, i am on testing ? |
| 13:07.00 | derobert | da_bon_bon: yes. Though your DVD will no doubt not be the latest, so you should update after the install |
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| 13:07.37 | Ashtars_fanclub | yea, sarge= testing |
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| 13:07.41 | Pego | hi |
| 13:07.41 | da_bon_bon | derobert: ok.. apt-get update ; apt-get dist-uprade right ? |
| 13:07.46 | derobert | da_bon_bon: also, at some point sarge will be released as the next stable |
| 13:07.56 | derobert | da_bon_bon: yeah, or dselect or aptitude |
| 13:08.26 | Pego | i have no answer on #debiandfr so i ask here: i m french and i have ? instead of accent on the shell in console i have try modify locales no nothing do :/ |
| 13:08.52 | DDRP | I was running Potato in the olden days |
| 13:09.05 | Ashtars_fanclub | mr potato head ^^ |
| 13:09.15 | DDRP | On my P50 |
| 13:09.22 | derobert | DDRP: potato was my the Debian that I really ran, too |
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| 13:09.55 | Ashtars_fanclub | running out of good toystory names |
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| 13:10.09 | Guerin | derobert: ah, here it is: http://www.df7cb.de/projects/sdate/packages/sdate_0.1_i386.deb |
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| 13:10.44 | Guerin | derobert: the one I have is a different thing, though: http://www.df7cb.de/projects/strftime-rel/strftime-rel_0.1_i386.changes |
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| 13:10.53 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 13:10.56 | peterS | Ashtars_fanclub: debian will never run out. for one thing, we haven't tapped into Toy Story 2 yet; for another, releases are getting further and further apart, so eventually they'll just stop happening altogether |
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| 13:11.17 | azreal | was hamm from toy story? |
| 13:11.25 | derobert | azreal: yes, all of them all |
| 13:11.27 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: or we'll just never release ;) |
| 13:11.29 | Guerin | peterS: that reminds me of the guy who decided to feed his donkey a little bit less every day, until the donkey was giving HIM food |
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| 13:11.38 | peterS | Guerin: hehe |
| 13:11.41 | takatumi | Guerin: haha |
| 13:11.46 | Ashtars_fanclub | ^^ |
| 13:12.04 | takatumi | where dpkg? |
| 13:12.08 | takatumi | 's |
| 13:12.10 | Guerin | takatumi: dead |
| 13:12.16 | derobert | Guerin: clearly, that wouldn't work. What the donkey would actually give him would be a good stern kick in the groin. |
| 13:12.29 | takatumi | sussudio: earth calling badgers! |
| 13:12.32 | da_bon_bon | derobert: ok. thanks. |
| 13:12.33 | peterS | what an ass |
| 13:12.37 | da_bon_bon | off i go to install debian |
| 13:12.42 | Guerin | derobert: oh, no, the donkey would give him food alright. Not much, it'd be all skin and bone. |
| 13:12.46 | Ashtars_fanclub | anyone looked into my keyboard problem? |
| 13:12.50 | Guerin | and donkey probably isn't much good anyhow |
| 13:12.57 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: have you? |
| 13:12.57 | peterS | Guerin: tastes like ass |
| 13:13.06 | Guerin | peterS: hurh hurh |
| 13:13.18 | peterS | I think that was my best pun of the day |
| 13:13.21 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:13.29 | Ashtars_fanclub | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.37 | Ashtars_fanclub | sry for flooding |
| 13:14.01 | takatumi | ~beer peterS |
| 13:14.08 | peterS | thanks, takatumi |
| 13:14.16 | takatumi | damn apt is dead as well? |
| 13:14.42 | derobert | no, apt is alive |
| 13:14.42 | Ashtars_fanclub | also the mouse is way too fast its a new razer diamondback usb, its not as accurate as its supposed to either |
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| 13:14.49 | derobert | at least on its /msg interface |
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| 13:15.16 | takatumi | panda: are you endangered? |
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| 13:16.13 | cast | dist-upgrade isnt explained in aptitudes manpage, should i assume its a alias for upgrade? |
| 13:16.23 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: changed kernels? |
| 13:16.30 | PerfDave | cast: man apt-get |
| 13:16.30 | orjan | Ashtars_fanclub: for me I have to set nodeadkeys to reach chars that are combined with alt-gr |
| 13:16.34 | derobert | cast: ummm, isn't dist-upgrade part of apt-get? |
| 13:16.40 | takatumi | cast: aptitude takes care of it. |
| 13:16.49 | Ashtars_fanclub | how do i set nodeadkeys? |
| 13:16.52 | cast | takatumi: ahhh, suspected as much |
| 13:17.13 | takatumi | cast: it takes care of recommends and suggests as well |
| 13:17.13 | cast | derobert: yes, it is. its also mentioned in the synopsis of aptitudes manpage |
| 13:17.16 | orjan | Ashtars_fanclub: in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:17.16 | Ashtars_fanclub | i'm running 2.6.8-2-k7 (sarge) |
| 13:17.28 | cast | takatumi: oh? as in installs them? |
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| 13:17.58 | Ashtars_fanclub | orjan:i dont wanna reconfigure isnt there just a line to add in XF86Config? |
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| 13:18.26 | Overand | how can i get info about current memory/swap usage? |
| 13:18.29 | PerfDave | Ashtars_fanclub: You don't want to hand-edit your X config. |
| 13:18.37 | orjan | Ashtars_fanclub: yes you can but I don't know from the top of my head...you have to google |
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| 13:18.48 | derobert | Overand: 'free' |
| 13:18.53 | Overand | hah |
| 13:18.56 | Overand | i always forget that one |
| 13:18.59 | Syph0n | Overand:top |
| 13:19.01 | Ashtars_fanclub | orjan: cant you just have a look in your file for nodeadkys? |
| 13:19.14 | Overand | top doesn't show info on swap, does it? |
| 13:19.20 | Overand | well fuck me |
| 13:19.21 | Overand | so it does |
| 13:19.24 | takatumi | cast: the best option I like about aptitude is reading changelogs before downloading a package. |
| 13:19.24 | cast | Overand: apropose memory is a nice way to find out what command you want |
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| 13:19.32 | Overand | apropose |
| 13:19.33 | Overand | hm |
| 13:19.37 | cast | apropos* sorry |
| 13:19.38 | Syph0n | Overand:sure it does |
| 13:19.42 | ixi-deb05 | Where to read about *dpkg* bot commands? |
| 13:19.55 | orjan | Ashtars_fanclub: not at home, but if you reconfihure you can accept the previous values as default and only change the nodeadkeys |
| 13:19.58 | cast | ixi-deb05: the bot? |
| 13:20.02 | ixi-deb05 | cast: yes |
| 13:20.06 | takatumi | ixi-deb05: dpkg's MIA |
| 13:20.16 | ixi-deb05 | takatumi: sorry? |
| 13:20.19 | Ashtars_fanclub | orjan: ok thnx |
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| 13:20.28 | takatumi | dpkg: test |
| 13:20.38 | Overand | alright, how about a way to see current SSH sessions? |
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| 13:20.41 | Overand | (incoming) |
| 13:20.52 | derobert | Overand: w, who, or netstat |
| 13:20.52 | Ashtars_fanclub | is xfce4.2 in sid yet? |
| 13:21.05 | directhex | @info xfwm4 |
| 13:21.10 | Overand | netstat did the trick |
| 13:21.17 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: have they fixed the applets and menus in xfce4.2? |
| 13:21.20 | orjan | Ashtars_fanclub: there is a helpscreen somewhere after you chose keyboard that says where you can put npdeadkeys |
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| 13:21.49 | directhex | no. |
| 13:21.53 | directhex | 4.0.6 |
| 13:22.00 | ravenbird | xfwm4: (window manager of the XFce project), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 514 kB, Installed size: 3552 kB |
| 13:22.05 | ixi-deb05 | Anybody knows where to read about dpkg bot? |
| 13:22.28 | Guerin | ixi-deb05: what about him? |
| 13:22.48 | Overand | nice, a little netstat, w, and ps -ef | grep and a little kill action |
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| 13:23.35 | ixi-deb05 | Guerin: just interesting how it works. We (with friends) are going to run a bot which could store phrases. |
| 13:23.46 | Overand | that'll teach me to screen -dr instead of -Dr after leaving a session up from work |
| 13:23.54 | ircdevil | ahahahahhaah ! i am free ! |
| 13:24.03 | ixi-deb05 | Guerin: I know almost nothing about irc bots so my question may look stupid :) |
| 13:24.09 | takatumi | ixi-deb05: try apt or ravenbird as well, /msg 'em |
| 13:24.20 | ircdevil | <- gf let me out of the dongeon at last |
| 13:24.30 | Guerin | ixi-deb05: you almost certainly don't want to run a blootbot unless you're a perl god |
| 13:24.39 | takatumi | ircdevil: s/do/du/ ? |
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| 13:24.49 | Guerin | ixi-deb05: blootbot is documented only as comments in its code |
| 13:24.49 | ircdevil | rite |
| 13:25.08 | takatumi | Guerin: went through them? |
| 13:25.09 | Ashtars_fanclub | orjan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesnt update my current config it just has me reconfigure all and doesnt help much since i dont get the nodeadkeys anyway |
| 13:25.18 | Guerin | takatumi: run one |
| 13:25.35 | Guerin | takatumi: and no, I'm not a perl god, therefore I have a very hard time doing anything useful with it |
| 13:25.49 | takatumi | Guerin: tried installing, couldn't get it running, should read up. |
| 13:25.50 | PerfDave | Ashtars_fanclub: That's probably because you've hand-edited your X config file and broken the md5sum |
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| 13:26.10 | Ashtars_fanclub | perfDave: yea |
| 13:26.22 | takatumi | Guerin: me too, just can't focus on *one* language. |
| 13:26.25 | Ashtars_fanclub | anyway there is nothing about nodeadkeys anyway |
| 13:26.37 | Guerin | takatumi: don't use the .deb; use the 1.2.0 tarball |
| 13:26.39 | Ashtars_fanclub | off to google |
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| 13:26.45 | PerfDave | Ashtars_fanclub: If dpkg or apt were alive, I'd suggest checking the "x md5sum" factoid. |
| 13:26.50 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: tried running dexconf |
| 13:27.12 | derobert | PerfDave: apt is alive |
| 13:27.24 | PerfDave | derobert: He doesn't seem to be. |
| 13:27.38 | derobert | PerfDave: /msg it |
| 13:27.41 | takatumi | Guerin: will try. |
| 13:27.45 | PerfDave | derobert: Did that. No reply. |
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| 13:27.54 | Ashtars_fanclub | takatumi: I'm not sure about xfce4.2 i tried early betas linked from the xfce page but it wasnt in such good shape then |
| 13:27.55 | derobert | PerfDave: weird. It replies to "help" |
| 13:28.03 | appaji | help dpkg |
| 13:28.08 | PerfDave | derobert: That's not helpful ;) |
| 13:28.10 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: that's why I gave up on xfce |
| 13:28.20 | derobert | PerfDave: no, that's just how it fooled me.... |
| 13:28.21 | Guerin | Ashtars_fanclub: the packages fomr os-works are fine |
| 13:28.27 | takatumi | appaji: what with? |
| 13:28.30 | Ashtars_fanclub | takatumi: so is 4.2 in sarge yet? |
| 13:28.46 | appaji | takatumi: help about dpkg :) |
| 13:28.52 | Ashtars_fanclub | Guerin: Yea thats the ones i tried but it wasnt the final version |
| 13:29.07 | appaji | takatumi: is it blootbot? |
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| 13:29.22 | Guerin | Ashtars_fanclub: i've been using them for ages - since beta1. |
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| 13:30.56 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: no, scroll up to what ravenbird said. |
| 13:31.19 | Ashtars_fanclub | Guerin: ok i think It was beta1 that i tried but I'll wait for 4.2 to arrive in sarge |
| 13:31.31 | Guerin | it might never |
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| 13:31.51 | takatumi | Guerin: tried it a while back from os-works, getting the applets and menus working like 4.0 was a real pain. |
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| 13:32.36 | AngelGabriel | Good afternoon everyone |
| 13:32.46 | Guerin | takatumi: I had no trouble at all |
| 13:32.47 | takatumi | appaji: yeah, a modified blootbot iirc. |
| 13:32.51 | rovragge | hello. I know this is really offtopic, but does joining a yahoogroups mailing list entail a lot of spam or misuse of your email address in anyones experience? I know i've read their privacy policy but you never know... |
| 13:32.51 | Guerin | takatumi: it Just Worked |
| 13:32.55 | Ashtars_fanclub | Guerin: what a pity then i will have to take it from sid if possible |
| 13:32.57 | AngelGabriel | I would like to know - how do check for, and remove all the unrequired kernels on my system? |
| 13:33.11 | Guerin | AngelGabriel: define unrequired |
| 13:33.22 | Delph | rovragge: yes. use a fake email address, or just convince the list to move. |
| 13:33.55 | PerfDave | rovragge: Not that I've noticed. I've been signed up to Y!G for ~8 years (since it was OneList) and not had a spam problem. |
| 13:34.20 | AngelGabriel | Well, I'm trying to compile the drivers for the dlink dwl 650+ and i need a kernel that has avalible kernel headers - i installed the 2.6.10 kernel, but just before that I had install the 2.6.1 kernel, and i want to remove it |
| 13:34.21 | rovragge | it's just a low volume software development list from a sourceforge project |
| 13:34.22 | PerfDave | rovragge: OTOH, Yahoo!Groups does break GPG signatures, annoyingly. |
| 13:34.55 | rovragge | why do all web archives of mailing list generally suck? |
| 13:35.07 | derobert | apt, tell derobert about X |
| 13:35.10 | Guerin | they don't |
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| 13:35.16 | Guerin | the debian web archives are sweet |
| 13:35.21 | rovragge | Guerin: sourceforce and yahoo does |
| 13:35.21 | derobert | Yeah! Worked |
| 13:35.22 | Guerin | and lurker is sweet too |
| 13:35.23 | takatumi | Guerin: remember this? http://gpoppy.org/2004-10-18_1024x768.png |
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| 13:35.28 | rovragge | Guerin: forge even |
| 13:35.37 | Guerin | rovragge: all things about sourceforge and yahoo suck, for a usability perspective |
| 13:35.40 | derobert | apt seems alive again.... I guess if you bug it enough, it eventually comes back |
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| 13:36.09 | rovragge | gmane is kind of ok.. |
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| 13:36.51 | DeadMan | hi all |
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| 13:37.24 | DeadMan | i would like to be able to open images and watch videos without the need of the X server. What's the best way to do that ? |
| 13:37.40 | takatumi | DeadMan: frambuffer? |
| 13:37.51 | Guerin | DeadMan: framebuffer, fbi and mplayer -vo {vesa,fbdev} |
| 13:37.54 | Ashtars_fanclub | Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" is what i found googling, Option "XkbVariant" "sv_SE" is what i currently have, dont i need some reference to the sv_SE still? |
| 13:38.04 | nikolas | where dose lvm stores the data about partitions ? |
| 13:38.13 | DeadMan | will check it out, thanks. |
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| 13:38.43 | orjan | Ashtars_fanclub: you set both, not in the same place though |
| 13:38.48 | insanekane | is people.debian.org alive ? |
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| 13:38.56 | takatumi | Guerin: and I could only manage this with xfce4.2, couldn't get it as good as the earlier one. |
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| 13:39.11 | derobert | insanekane: it appears not... |
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| 13:39.16 | jharrisonwk | I am beginning to think that there are no portable mp3 players that will also play ogg vorbis |
| 13:39.17 | takatumi | Guerin: http://gpoppy.org/2004-10-20-192839_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 13:39.28 | derobert | jharrison: Neuros |
| 13:39.41 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: there is, remember greycat mentioning one. |
| 13:39.47 | DeadMan | insanekane, no ping reply |
| 13:39.53 | takatumi | yeah, Neuros |
| 13:39.56 | PerfDave | jharrisonwk: Google for "vorbis hardware", there are tons |
| 13:39.57 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: I must have missed it |
| 13:40.05 | jharrisonwk | ok |
| 13:40.15 | derobert | DeadMan, insanekane: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00013.html |
| 13:40.20 | Guerin | takatumi: I don't see the problem |
| 13:40.22 | useruser | jharrisonwk: tried mplayer? |
| 13:40.22 | Ashtars_fanclub | orjan: restarting x, wish me luck |
| 13:40.30 | nikolas | i got a problem, i have 2 hdd's that had an lvm partition on them... and now i can't erase that partition... can someone help me ? |
| 13:40.40 | derobert | I suspect they delayed the maintainence some |
| 13:41.01 | jharrisonwk | useruser: and what would I run mplayer on that would be portable? |
| 13:41.05 | takatumi | Guerin: liked the one from the first link better, especially the applets on the panel. |
| 13:41.12 | jetscreamer | fdisk doesn't do the job, nikolas ? (i know nothing) |
| 13:41.15 | fatal_ | nikolas: erasing hard drive contents is best done with a sledge hammer. |
| 13:41.22 | insanekane | hmm |
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| 13:41.50 | jetscreamer | nikolas, there's always the low level format tools from the hd manuf. if you can't get it going |
| 13:42.17 | insanekane | derobert, thanks. |
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| 13:42.41 | nikolas | i get : couldn't read volume group metada & volume group fs is not constient error when i try to partition the hdd with the debian installer |
| 13:42.45 | useruser | jharrisonwk: well windows and linux for a start... that's all I've run it on |
| 13:43.02 | jharrisonwk | useruser: I think you misunderstood what im looking for |
| 13:43.05 | nikolas | fatal_, nice joke, i'll keep that in mind |
| 13:43.09 | useruser | jharrisonwk: guess so |
| 13:43.24 | derobert | nikolas: if you want to nail everything on the disk, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/DISK will be quite effective |
| 13:43.34 | jetscreamer | nikolas, what about shelling out and running cfdisk or fdisk... no joy? |
| 13:43.45 | PerfDave | I dont' see why you'd need mplayer to play ogg vorbis either :) |
| 13:43.54 | fatal_ | nikolas: usually you just overwrite whats on your drives..... but if you really want to erase the contents (sensitive information?) I'd recommend the sledge hammer. |
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| 13:44.08 | jharrisonwk | PerfDave: I agree but I just didnt feel like getting into all that |
| 13:44.08 | jetscreamer | you could always abort and boot up with a win98 boot floppy and do it that way |
| 13:44.16 | Ashtars_fanclub | orjan: that didnt help at all |
| 13:44.17 | derobert | fatal_: Sledge hammer won't erase it. |
| 13:44.23 | nikolas | fatal_, the hdd's are blank |
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| 13:44.36 | nikolas | fatal_, and i can't get the lvm stuff gone |
| 13:44.42 | jetscreamer | fatal_, my thoughts are a very powerful electromagnet, then drop it in a bucket of hydrochloric acid |
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| 13:45.09 | derobert | jetscreamer, fatal_: the 'wipe' package is probably a good first start |
| 13:45.27 | derobert | ... and unless your adversry is a national security agency, good enough |
| 13:46.04 | nikolas | derobert, i will try that command, brb |
| 13:46.21 | jharrisonwk | iriver has one for 450.00 |
| 13:46.25 | jetscreamer | nikolas, try a win98 boot floppy, they'll erase anything non-ms :) |
| 13:46.27 | jharrisonwk | thats way more then I am willing to pay |
| 13:46.35 | insanekane | derobert, btw, what timezone is MST ? |
| 13:46.36 | ivan | nikolas, there's also shred |
| 13:46.43 | nikolas | what is shred ? |
| 13:46.45 | jetscreamer | mountain standard maybe |
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| 13:46.59 | ricky_clarkson | nikolas: look for it, read stuff. |
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| 13:47.02 | derobert | insanekane: I think its UTC-6 or UTC-7, not sure w/o looking it up |
| 13:47.19 | jetscreamer | hey he's trying to INSTALL d-i how can he do shred or wipe? |
| 13:47.26 | jetscreamer | cst is -6 |
| 13:47.32 | derobert | jetscreamer: yeah, it's mountain standard |
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| 13:48.20 | Ashtars_fanclub | well, acctually it did work, unfortiunately in my excited state i managed to spill coffe allover my clothes |
| 13:48.24 | jetscreamer | nikolas, i have a w98ebd image if you don't have one :) you can burn it with rawrite |
| 13:48.48 | Ashtars_fanclub | however left alt still isnt working but i dont care |
| 13:48.53 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: try this, www.oqo.com, heard it runs debian well. |
| 13:48.53 | Ashtars_fanclub | @@@ |
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| 13:49.05 | orjan | Ashtars_fanclub: at least good if you didn't pour it in the keyboard |
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| 13:49.10 | derobert | jetscreamer, nikolas: If dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda or whatever doesn't clear it, its not there. |
| 13:49.11 | jetscreamer | my enter key sticks... good thing xchat doesn't read it when it's sticking |
| 13:49.21 | fatal_ | www.bootdisk.com |
| 13:49.44 | takatumi | jetscreamer: that sucks having to click, bleh. |
| 13:49.48 | jetscreamer | derobert, i'm sure it will, but he's doing it in the installer... will it work? |
| 13:49.50 | Ashtars_fanclub | orjan: no i was lucky but my clothes werent |
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| 13:50.08 | derobert | jetscreamer: if there is a dd on the installer ramdisk, yes |
| 13:50.14 | jetscreamer | i do have 2 enter keys thank god eh |
| 13:50.23 | derobert | jetscreamer: if not, use cat |
| 13:50.41 | orjan | Ashtars_fanclub: btw iirc only the alt-gr gives i.e. [] not the left alt |
| 13:51.26 | Ashtars_fanclub | orjan: ok what is left alt for then? |
| 13:51.26 | nikolas | derobert, i get dd: /dev/hda: Permision denied |
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| 13:51.49 | derobert | nikolas: ummm, are you root? |
| 13:51.52 | BleSS | how add the escape code (Ctrl-v-ESC) in a file?? i use nano but it is possible with cat >file.txt ... << EOF or with echo >> file.txt? |
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| 13:51.55 | orjan | Ashtars_fanclub: don't know.. |
| 13:52.01 | jetscreamer | nikolas, how about is it mounted? |
| 13:52.06 | jm_ | BleSS: echo has -e switch for that |
| 13:52.10 | Ashtars_fanclub | orjan: isnt (altgr) supposed to be (ctrl)+(alt) |
| 13:52.16 | jetscreamer | it's the installer, he should be root eh |
| 13:52.17 | BleSS | ok |
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| 13:52.20 | nikolas | derobert, i am in the alt+f2 console at the install, and i am root |
| 13:52.36 | useruser | nikolas: dmesg|grep hd[a-z] and see what it says |
| 13:52.41 | derobert | nikolas: is /dev/hda the right disk? e.g., are you trying to do it to the CD? |
| 13:52.48 | BleSS | jm_, and it is possible with cat? |
| 13:52.59 | nikolas | derobert, is the right disk |
| 13:53.01 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: nice but expensive |
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| 13:53.07 | nikolas | useruser, wait a second to check that out |
| 13:53.07 | jetscreamer | nikolas, try typing mount |
| 13:53.10 | BleSS | i supposed no |
| 13:53.13 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: how much is it? |
| 13:53.22 | jm_ | BleSS: just press esc key and it will be added |
| 13:53.22 | jharrisonwk | 2000.00 |
| 13:53.32 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: holy mofo. |
| 13:53.39 | Ashtars_fanclub | how can i configure my mouse? right now its very fast and not too accurate, its supposed to be uber accurate this razer diamondback usb |
| 13:54.05 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: :) |
| 13:54.06 | jm_ | diamondback? is it also poisonous? |
| 13:54.10 | derobert | Ashtars_fanclub: xset will let you configure the mouse, as will most desktop environments |
| 13:54.10 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: nice though |
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| 13:54.19 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: fix /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:54.21 | BleSS | jm_, thx |
| 13:54.37 | nikolas | useruser, it tells me the hdd size.. model..... |
| 13:54.54 | Ashtars_fanclub | takatumi, yea but what shall i change in XF86Config? |
| 13:54.54 | useruser | nikolas: ok, and it's talking about hda, not hdb or hde or something |
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| 13:54.58 | jetscreamer | and mount tells you it's not mounted? |
| 13:55.13 | nikolas | useruser, yes there are hda and hdb |
| 13:55.17 | nikolas | the 2 hdd's.. |
| 13:55.30 | Ashtars_fanclub | derobert: xset I have allready changed to the lowest value and its still to fast |
| 13:55.31 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: dunno, here's mine. http://gpoppy.org/XF86Config-4 |
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| 13:55.50 | jetscreamer | yeah can't be mounted you're right |
| 13:55.56 | jetscreamer | (isn't) |
| 13:56.02 | nikolas | they only have FREE SPACE on them |
| 13:56.08 | nikolas | they have no partition.... |
| 13:56.26 | jetscreamer | you know this because ( ) tells you (fill in blank) |
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| 13:56.37 | useruser | nikolas: does cfdisk /dev/hda work? |
| 13:56.49 | derobert | nikolas: ooh, does /dev/hda exist? |
| 13:56.50 | nikolas | useruser, no it says it can't read the data |
| 13:57.15 | Ashtars_fanclub | takatumi: thats alot of options for the mouse, what is your mouse? |
| 13:57.16 | nikolas | jethro, because the partition aplication from the debian instaler says that |
| 13:57.18 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: touchpad. |
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| 13:57.36 | jetscreamer | this is a waste of time now. if you want to learn, continue. if you want to finish, use manuf. tools or a w9x boot disk. |
| 13:58.08 | jetscreamer | hey |
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| 13:58.19 | jetscreamer | nikolas, you could ask in #debian-boot maybe |
| 13:58.22 | derobert | nikolas: you probably don't have a /dev/hda, it's probably called something else |
| 13:58.42 | derobert | nikolas: its probably going by the devfs name |
| 13:58.52 | nikolas | dmesg says it's hda... |
| 13:58.55 | derobert | nikolas: look in /dev/ and find the right device |
| 13:59.15 | useruser | nikolas: ls /proc/ide |
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| 13:59.54 | Ashtars_fanclub | nikolas: isnt the device something like /dev/discs/lun/bla... |
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| 14:00.19 | derobert | if that's whats going on, then the permission error makes sense |
| 14:00.35 | nikolas | useruser, drivers hda hdb hdd ide0 ide1 piix |
| 14:00.57 | derobert | nikolas: ls /dev |
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| 14:02.01 | Ashtars_fanclub | nikolas: i had some problems with rescuing with sarge netinstall (debian-installer) yesterday, it seemed i had to go on with the installation to load ide drivers before the /dev/discs would appear |
| 14:02.12 | nolf | could someone tell me how to disable device eth0 |
| 14:02.21 | alienn | hi there! |
| 14:02.21 | jetscreamer | ifdown eth0 functions |
| 14:02.29 | jetscreamer | for a temp fix |
| 14:02.30 | minimec | nolf: ifdown eth0 |
| 14:02.43 | alienn | Is anything known about people.debian.org? When will it be up and running again? |
| 14:02.47 | nolf | is that it guyz |
| 14:02.56 | derobert | alienn: check debian-devel-announce |
| 14:03.02 | derobert | alienn: that's probably what it is |
| 14:03.07 | minimec | nolf: yep, that's it |
| 14:03.07 | jetscreamer | that will turn it off... it will come back up on boot |
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| 14:03.20 | nikolas | i found the hard drive... is something like /dev/ide/bus0................. |
| 14:03.24 | nolf | hey thnx guyz il just try and get back .......jus incase |
| 14:03.27 | jetscreamer | or on ifup eth0 |
| 14:03.32 | Ashtars_fanclub | does anyone know how to add the program menu in the "right mouse click" xfce menu? |
| 14:03.37 | nikolas | now i gave dd i get no error... it just stands there... |
| 14:03.41 | Ashtars_fanclub | as well as how to edit it |
| 14:04.01 | derobert | nikolas: yes, dd will take a while to blank the hard disk. Just abort it, it's already nailed the partition table |
| 14:04.04 | alienn | derobert: I know about the downtime, but that should be history by now, or did I miss something? |
| 14:04.13 | derobert | alienn: I'm guessing it just ran long |
| 14:04.16 | nolf | MAN THIS PLACE JUST ROCKS |
| 14:04.21 | derobert | alienn: or was delayed |
| 14:04.38 | nolf | U GUYZ ARE JUST AMAZING |
| 14:04.41 | nolf | THANX AGAIN |
| 14:04.46 | nikolas | derobert, ok, thanx.. i hope i don't have anything left there from the old tables.. wish me luck i'll try to reinstall vbrb |
| 14:04.47 | alienn | derobert: Darn... And I hoped to update my clamav today... Well, then I |
| 14:04.52 | alienn | 'll have to wait... |
| 14:04.52 | nvz | Ashtars_fanclub: install menu |
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| 14:04.55 | alienn | derobert: thanks! |
| 14:04.57 | dav89 | hello, since i've installed kernel 2.6 x windows system doesn't work e doesn't start |
| 14:05.02 | nolf | PROBABLY SOME DAY I WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO HELP OTHERS JUST LLIKE YOU |
| 14:05.07 | Ashtars_fanclub | nvz install menu, how? |
| 14:05.07 | nolf | :) |
| 14:05.08 | dav89 | i've tried to confgure it againg |
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| 14:05.13 | takatumi | nolf: lose the caps :) |
| 14:05.13 | dav89 | but it doesn't work anyway |
| 14:05.17 | dav89 | how can i solve? |
| 14:05.23 | nvz | Ashtars_fanclub: apt-get insyall menu |
| 14:05.29 | nolf | k sir as u wish |
| 14:05.39 | Ashtars_fanclub | nvz: tnx how do i edit it? |
| 14:05.49 | derobert | nikolas: if you leave it long enough, dd will happily blank every last byte of the disk. That will wipe it, I'm sure. |
| 14:06.00 | nvz | Ashtars_fanclub: you don't, or you read the docs |
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| 14:06.17 | jetscreamer | dav89, you're trying to dual boot? |
| 14:06.18 | nvz | Ashtars_fanclub: menu contains scripts that automatically generate all debian menus |
| 14:06.19 | dav89 | how can i fix the problem?? |
| 14:06.26 | nikolas | derobert, it's a 200GB hdd... i think that will take a while |
| 14:06.26 | dav89 | i've tried to bot from |
| 14:06.28 | dav89 | 2.6 |
| 14:06.31 | dav89 | and doesn't work |
| 14:06.36 | dav89 | when i shoutdown |
| 14:06.42 | dav89 | and boot from 2.4 it works |
| 14:06.46 | nikolas | derobert, i'll cancel it.. hopefully it already remove the partition table |
| 14:07.00 | nvz | Ashtars_fanclub: ever see the "Place Icon on Desktop" and "Place Icon in start menu" check boxes in winders? well thats the menu package in debian |
| 14:07.02 | Ashtars_fanclub | nvz: all looks good now :) ^^ tnx |
| 14:07.04 | derobert | nikolas: partition table is in the first few sectors, it nailed it long ago |
| 14:07.15 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: I think your computer is rebelling against you hitting the Return key all the time. |
| 14:07.26 | jetscreamer | dav89, is this a custom kernel or a stock one (the 2.6) |
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| 14:07.39 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson may have a point though |
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| 14:08.09 | dav89 | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP. |
| 14:08.18 | dav89 | installed throught apt-get install |
| 14:08.31 | Ashtars_fanclub | is kernel 2.6.10 comming to sarge? |
| 14:08.44 | dav89 | i've got ati radeon 9600 256mb |
| 14:08.53 | dav89 | i tried to select vesa driver and ati driver |
| 14:08.55 | jetscreamer | dav89, you have an intel processor right? and how about module-init-tools? try apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 14:08.58 | dav89 | but it doesn't work |
| 14:09.23 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: Do people who speak English read horizontally or vertically? |
| 14:09.26 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: not yet. |
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| 14:09.31 | dav89 | i've already installed module-init-tools |
| 14:09.32 | derobert | Ashtars_fanclub: I believe not. Check the archives of debian-kernel mailing list to be sure. |
| 14:09.45 | gusto | :) |
| 14:09.56 | Ashtars_fanclub | derobert: what a pity i need 2.6.10 or later for alsa updates |
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| 14:10.11 | takatumi | Ashtars_fanclub: get it from sid or from kernel.org |
| 14:10.17 | dav89 | i'm getting mad. |
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| 14:10.36 | jetscreamer | dav89, me i'd check the symlinks in / (ls -l /) and see that they point to the proper initrd and vmlinuz in /boot... then check over lilo.conf (or grub) and rerun lilo... all i know. |
| 14:10.56 | Ashtars_fanclub | takatumi: i wanna use plain sarge :( i really hope it comes to sarge |
| 14:10.59 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: I'd remove that kernel, then reinstall it and read all the notices very carefully. |
| 14:11.17 | jetscreamer | then i'd try the ricky route |
| 14:11.18 | dav89 | jetscreamer how to check them? |
| 14:11.25 | jetscreamer | ls -l / |
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| 14:11.41 | dav89 | where do i paste it? |
| 14:11.47 | jetscreamer | dont |
| 14:11.50 | jetscreamer | read it |
| 14:11.55 | fatalblu__ | anyone happen to have a backport of tripwire to woody? |
| 14:12.04 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: Into your head. |
| 14:12.05 | jetscreamer | the do ls /boot |
| 14:12.08 | jetscreamer | then do |
| 14:12.09 | Ashtars_fanclub | tried apt-get.org? |
| 14:12.36 | Zero_Dogg | fatalblu__: backports.org ? |
| 14:12.47 | fatalblu__ | i claim drunkenness and lack of sleep, brb (in otherwords no) |
| 14:12.53 | dav89 | vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 14:12.58 | pingouin | dav89: did you edit you grub or lilo to add the path to the initrd that the apt-get install kernel-image surely do ? |
| 14:13.07 | dav89 | apt-get did it |
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| 14:13.23 | dav89 | on /bot there is vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 14:13.38 | pingouin | dav89: i dont talk about the vmlinuz |
| 14:13.55 | jetscreamer | dav89, and check the initrd one in / also |
| 14:13.56 | pingouin | dav89: i talk about the initrd |
| 14:13.58 | dav89 | pingouin i believe apt-gt has done that |
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| 14:14.11 | pingouin | dav89: dont belive |
| 14:14.19 | dav89 | pingouin, how to do that? |
| 14:14.27 | pingouin | dav89: life work |
| 14:14.35 | pingouin | oh sorry |
| 14:14.41 | fatalblu__ | no neither apt-get.org or backports.org has a woody tripwire package :-/ |
| 14:14.44 | pingouin | dav89: grub ? lilo ? |
| 14:14.44 | dav89 | (i'm understanding that debian is too difficult....) |
| 14:14.50 | dav89 | grub |
| 14:14.57 | pingouin | so... |
| 14:15.01 | jetscreamer | dav89, after you do the ls -l / you can check both at same time (hey try shift+pgup) |
| 14:15.28 | dav89 | jetscreamer, the problem is that i don't know what to check :( |
| 14:15.40 | pingouin | dav89: the grub conf |
| 14:15.42 | jetscreamer | you checked the vmlinuz one, check the initrd one |
| 14:15.48 | pingouin | dav89: and the initrd |
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| 14:16.11 | jetscreamer | ls -l /initrd |
| 14:16.27 | dav89 | initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 14:16.35 | jetscreamer | ok so it's grub conf |
| 14:16.35 | pingouin | aaahh |
| 14:16.38 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 14:16.44 | broke | best torrent client for linux ? |
| 14:16.51 | jetscreamer | i like bittornado |
| 14:17.10 | jetscreamer | but some prefer azreus or however you spell it |
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| 14:17.21 | Ashtars_fanclub | I'm asking again about mouse sensitivity and resolution because looking at takatumi's xf86config-4 didnt help, how can i increase resolution (accuracy) and lower speed, and remove acceleration, i use usb razer diamondback |
| 14:17.25 | jetscreamer | but i dunno if azureus is packaged |
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| 14:17.28 | dav89 | how can i solve? |
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| 14:17.50 | dav89 | mandrake is much easier...i'm not sure to be ready for debian.... |
| 14:17.51 | Ashtars_fanclub | jetscreamer: azureus is blotware but has some nice features |
| 14:17.54 | jetscreamer | dav89, i've never used grub, no idea. apt-get install lilo is cool |
| 14:17.56 | pingouin | dav89: you have to edit the grub conf |
| 14:18.07 | dav89 | what should i edit? |
| 14:18.07 | pingouin | dav89: and stop saying bullshit ;) |
| 14:18.20 | jetscreamer | dav89, man grub |
| 14:18.21 | nvz | dav89: then go back to mandrake. |
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| 14:18.32 | nvz | until you learn how to read |
| 14:18.35 | Ashtars_fanclub | grub menu looks so nice compared to lilo |
| 14:18.46 | pingouin | dav89: just a moment i look fot somethin |
| 14:18.50 | derobert | grub doesn't use the / symlinks, AFAIK |
| 14:18.59 | jetscreamer | lilo.conf is great after you take all the comments out |
| 14:19.02 | dav89 | i'm installing lilo |
| 14:19.05 | cast | Ashtars_fanclub: tab completions great :> |
| 14:19.13 | pingouin | dav89: dont do that ;) |
| 14:19.19 | pingouin | if you have grub |
| 14:19.23 | jetscreamer | dav89, that's ok, but you can fix the grub |
| 14:19.40 | dav89 | ok can i stop lilo installation? |
| 14:19.48 | pingouin | oh my god... |
| 14:19.49 | jetscreamer | i wouldn't |
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| 14:19.55 | dav89 | apt-get is showind me lilo configuration |
| 14:19.59 | dav89 | i have to press OK |
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| 14:20.02 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 14:20.07 | pingouin | dav89: move you're hands from keyboard now |
| 14:20.12 | pingouin | ;) |
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| 14:20.26 | dav89 | should i unistall lilo? |
| 14:20.28 | pingouin | dav89: go there : http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html |
| 14:20.41 | nvz | you should apt-get --purge remove grub before installing lilo |
| 14:20.44 | pingouin | dav89: and read the part GRUB CONFIGURATION |
| 14:20.57 | Ashtars_fanclub | i wanted grub few days ago but it didnt manage to install, froze at hardware detection #grub install /dev/hda or something |
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| 14:21.14 | jetscreamer | grub always borks for me, doesn't like my box |
| 14:21.18 | pingouin | dav89: all you have to do is to edit you grub con to add the path to the initrd of the kernel you've apt-geted |
| 14:21.23 | toresbe | morning |
| 14:21.25 | dav89 | ok |
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| 14:21.28 | dav89 | ive removed lilo |
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| 14:21.32 | dav89 | now try to fix grub |
| 14:21.33 | pingouin | jetscreamer: the same...never success wiht it :/ |
| 14:21.34 | toresbe | wow, I've slept F hours! |
| 14:21.40 | derobert | isn't there an update-grub command which does all this for you? |
| 14:21.41 | toresbe | *yawn* |
| 14:21.50 | pingouin | toresbe: lol |
| 14:21.51 | toresbe | derobert: yes |
| 14:21.52 | jetscreamer | derobert, think so |
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| 14:22.16 | dav89 | ok |
| 14:22.20 | dav89 | i've updated grub |
| 14:22.23 | Ashtars_fanclub | plz help me with my mouse conf this acceleration is killing me |
| 14:22.27 | dav89 | with update-grub |
| 14:22.28 | pingouin | dav89: how ? |
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| 14:22.32 | pingouin | k |
| 14:22.36 | dav89 | now it should work....shouldn't it? |
| 14:22.45 | pingouin | dav89: did you read the url i gave 2 U ? |
| 14:22.48 | dav89 | yes |
| 14:22.50 | jetscreamer | dav89, check the grub.conf before you reboot just to make sure maybe |
| 14:22.51 | pingouin | at least the grub part |
| 14:22.53 | pingouin | ok |
| 14:22.54 | toresbe | !2 |
| 14:22.58 | pingouin | so reboot ;) |
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| 14:23.10 | pingouin | we waiting for you |
| 14:23.13 | toresbe | !u |
| 14:23.21 | pingouin | dav89: sarge ? woody ? |
| 14:23.24 | jetscreamer | !u2 |
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| 14:23.30 | toresbe | wtf? Where is dpkg? |
| 14:23.32 | jetscreamer | it's not woody i hope |
| 14:23.44 | jetscreamer | ~u |
| 14:23.45 | apt | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 14:23.51 | pingouin | toresbe: sorry i'm an old Prince fan ;) |
| 14:23.59 | dav89 | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686-smp root=/dev/hda6 ro |
| 14:23.59 | dav89 | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 14:24.04 | toresbe | pingouin: hehe |
| 14:24.05 | dav89 | it seems ok..... |
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| 14:24.17 | jetscreamer | reboot then |
| 14:24.23 | pingouin | dav89: let's go ;) |
| 14:24.30 | dav89 | i hope god will be with me |
| 14:24.30 | dav89 | :D |
| 14:24.37 | pingouin | dav89: and now U start 2 belive ;) |
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| 14:25.07 | jetscreamer | hmmm dav89 isn't native english... but his english is much better than my (x) |
| 14:25.14 | mlk | i just installed debian with the new installer on my server. I can't get X11Forwarding to work when i SSH into the box. I already set X11forwarding to yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Please help! |
| 14:25.15 | Ashtars_fanclub | does xfce depend on xffm? i think its quite poor i'd rather not have it |
| 14:25.28 | derobert | Wow, now that he's quit, the average sentence quality on #debian will improve 10-fold ... |
| 14:25.37 | jetscreamer | xfce is probably a metapackage |
| 14:25.45 | lawnchair | xfce is prolly a penis package |
| 14:25.52 | pingouin | U dont talk 4 me i hope ? |
| 14:25.55 | derobert | mlk: apt-get install xbase-clients, I think |
| 14:25.56 | pingouin | ;) |
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| 14:26.11 | mlk | derobert, won't that install an x server? |
| 14:26.11 | jetscreamer | lawnchair, go fold yourself! :) |
| 14:26.19 | derobert | mlk: no |
| 14:26.25 | mlk | derobert, ok cool! |
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| 14:26.32 | derobert | mlk: I think thats the package that contains xauth |
| 14:26.33 | Ashtars_fanclub | cant remove it then it wants to take away xfce also |
| 14:26.38 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner!!!!!!! |
| 14:26.48 | mlk | derobert, i'll try it |
| 14:27.00 | jetscreamer | i thought it was xfce-4 or ssomething |
| 14:27.40 | Ashtars_fanclub | xfce4 |
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| 14:28.06 | Ashtars_fanclub | maybe i should get nautilus but having to install 25 new packages seems a bit too much |
| 14:28.07 | jetscreamer | xfce4 is a metapackage not the whole shebang |
| 14:28.13 | Ashtars_fanclub | really |
| 14:28.19 | jetscreamer | you can safely remove the metapackage |
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| 14:28.37 | Ashtars_fanclub | great! |
| 14:28.42 | zophyx | xfce4 is a meatpackage |
| 14:28.48 | jetscreamer | but you won't get the meta-updates.. just what's installed. so if they add to the meta, or subtract, your box won't know |
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| 14:29.26 | Ashtars_fanclub | which kind of updates is considered meta updates? |
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| 14:29.36 | dav89 | X WINDOWS SYSTEM doesn't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:29.39 | jetscreamer | you must grok metapackages |
| 14:29.41 | dav89 | uhe uhe sigh sigh |
| 14:29.46 | Ashtars_fanclub | grok? |
| 14:29.51 | jetscreamer | dav89, but i take it you booted up |
| 14:29.56 | jetscreamer | ~grok |
| 14:29.57 | apt | somebody said grok was http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=grok |
| 14:29.57 | mlk | derobert, it worked. Thanks! |
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| 14:30.12 | froomi | y |
| 14:30.15 | derobert | dav89: wait, so did the kernel boot? |
| 14:30.16 | froomi | lo |
| 14:30.17 | dav89 | i'm desperated |
| 14:30.21 | dav89 | yes yes |
| 14:30.22 | takatumi | streuner: where's the piespy pie? |
| 14:30.25 | dav89 | the system works |
| 14:30.31 | pingouin | dav89: are u on u're new kernel ? |
| 14:30.31 | dav89 | the problem is x window system |
| 14:30.31 | jetscreamer | grok is to know, to encompass, to understand |
| 14:30.32 | froomi | somebody know debconf ? |
| 14:30.42 | dav89 | no now i'm 2.4 one |
| 14:30.48 | jetscreamer | pingouin, he has a radeon and vesa and ati modules for x don't work |
| 14:30.55 | streuner | takatumi: wanna see something in an hour? |
| 14:30.56 | takatumi | dav89: what is wrong with x-window-system? |
| 14:31.06 | dav89 | i don't know |
| 14:31.07 | takatumi | streuner: yeah sure :) |
| 14:31.09 | jetscreamer | takatumi, ^^^ |
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| 14:31.13 | dav89 | debian tells me that there is a problem |
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| 14:31.23 | dav89 | and x windows system hasn't started |
| 14:31.28 | compukid | Is Alioth down? |
| 14:31.29 | derobert | dav89: look in /var/log/XFree86*, see if you can find the log from X failing to start |
| 14:31.34 | toresbe | compukid: no |
| 14:31.45 | froomi | somebody know debconf, because i want to read the default value of debconf question in a configuration file. It'spossible ? |
| 14:31.46 | toresbe | compukid: LOL JK IT IS ^______^ KEKEKEKEK |
| 14:31.54 | jetscreamer | dav89, try modprobe psmouse && modprobe mousedev && /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 14:32.07 | takatumi | dav89: the ati modules suck and xfree doesn't support radeons well yet, did manage to get 3D with xorg, but it's a pain to manage during upgrades and stuff. |
| 14:32.29 | dav89 | (II) Keyboard "Keyboard0" handled by legacy driver |
| 14:32.29 | dav89 | (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse0" (type: MOUSE) |
| 14:32.29 | dav89 | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/mouse |
| 14:32.29 | dav89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.29 | dav89 | (WW) Mouse0: cannot open input device |
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| 14:32.31 | toresbe | compukid: that's the sort of question you use /topic on before you ask |
| 14:32.32 | derobert | froomi: I don't believe so, I think the script calling debconf sets that. Also, debconf is not a registry. |
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| 14:32.41 | dav89 | may be this but i'm not sure |
| 14:32.43 | jetscreamer | dav89, do what i said |
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| 14:32.49 | jetscreamer | dav89, do what i said |
| 14:32.55 | jetscreamer | <dav89> (WW) Mouse0: cannot open input device |
| 14:32.58 | takatumi | dav89: don't paste here, use #flood |
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| 14:33.10 | Ashtars_fanclub | nautilus online, which package do i need to get them beautifull icons? |
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| 14:33.20 | dav89 | modprobe: Can't locate module psmouse |
| 14:33.26 | pingouin | dav89: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log |grep EE |
| 14:33.36 | compukid | the topic says alioth is down for the weekend.... but it's monday already. |
| 14:33.46 | froomi | derobert: ok, but i want to read a specific value in a configuration file |
| 14:33.47 | jetscreamer | dav89, as root? |
| 14:33.57 | dav89 | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 14:33.57 | dav89 | (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device |
| 14:33.57 | dav89 | (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse" |
| 14:33.59 | jetscreamer | ahh dav89 this is the 2.4... |
| 14:34.04 | pingouin | dav89: what is the module you ran 4 you card in later kernel ? |
| 14:34.05 | dav89 | yes as root in 2. kernel |
| 14:34.09 | derobert | froomi: no, you don't. Debconf is not a registry. |
| 14:34.10 | jetscreamer | dav89, what happened to the 2.6 |
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| 14:34.17 | dav89 | i don't know i need to reboot |
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| 14:34.26 | jetscreamer | dav89, the commands i gave you are for 2.6 |
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| 14:34.49 | toresbe | compukid: gluck: overloaded; alioth: overloaded, disks full |
| 14:34.56 | derobert | froomi: debconf's cached config answers are stored in /var/cache. They may be deleted at any time. |
| 14:35.04 | dav89 | with that command i configure mouse interface? |
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| 14:35.13 | Ashtars_fanclub | how can i configure nautilus to use default gnome icons w/o having to install gnome and its setup apps? |
| 14:35.19 | pingouin | dav89: in XFConfig-4 |
| 14:35.25 | jetscreamer | dav89, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:35.27 | takatumi | toresbe: that's been on for a while, why isn't anyone throwing a few disks and pcs our way? |
| 14:35.34 | pingouin | dav89: in root modconf load the module for you mouse |
| 14:35.37 | leira | how can i compile kernel with a different gcc version? |
| 14:35.50 | dav89 | i'm getting crazy! |
| 14:35.51 | toresbe | takatumi: Dunno |
| 14:35.51 | leira | use make-kpkg? |
| 14:35.51 | jm_ | leira: edit Makefile |
| 14:35.55 | jetscreamer | export |
| 14:36.00 | dav89 | what must i do? |
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| 14:36.03 | pingouin | dav89: go drink a coffe ;) |
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| 14:36.13 | dav89 | later |
| 14:36.15 | pingouin | dav89: or play with U girl friend |
| 14:36.18 | dav89 | lol |
| 14:36.19 | jetscreamer | youcan export gcc version, but i don't know how exactly |
| 14:36.21 | leira | i use CC=gcc-3.4 make-kpkg seems no use |
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| 14:36.31 | derobert | dav89: can you use IRC from the command line? |
| 14:36.37 | dav89 | the problem is the mouse! ok! |
| 14:36.39 | FieldySnuts | @lart gcc-3.4 |
| 14:36.49 | dav89 | i don't know.... |
| 14:36.54 | dav89 | i need a text irc client... |
| 14:36.55 | jetscreamer | 9 pole? |
| 14:37.08 | leira | also tried export CC=gcc-3.4, then make-kpkg |
| 14:37.08 | jetscreamer | dav89, irssi or bitchx |
| 14:37.09 | pingouin | dav89: ap-get install irssi-text |
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| 14:37.14 | scarynetworkguy | dav89: irssi-text. Best there is. |
| 14:37.16 | jetscreamer | oops -text |
| 14:37.17 | xelam | irssi++++++ |
| 14:37.25 | toresbe | irssi! |
| 14:37.31 | pingouin | irssi ! ;) |
| 14:37.32 | Ashtars_fanclub | what nautilus is taking over my desk |
| 14:37.40 | scarynetworkguy | Bitchx causes cancer. |
| 14:37.47 | toresbe | irssi causes salvation. |
| 14:37.49 | leira | jetscreamer: u c, i've tried~ |
| 14:37.54 | derobert | dav89: you need to figure out why the kernel isn't seeing your mouse under 2.6. You probably need a module loaded. |
| 14:38.06 | leira | what should i exactly export? |
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| 14:38.39 | leira | jetscreamer: don't u mean export CC? |
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| 14:39.06 | jetscreamer | leira, i'm not positive, i just read over it once... it's export gcc_version= something... i think... |
| 14:39.22 | jetscreamer | leira, but i'm not sure at all, i just know it can be done |
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| 14:39.40 | leira | jetscreamer: well, thanks |
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| 14:40.06 | leira | jetscreamer: but could u tell what u've just read over? |
| 14:40.18 | leira | jetscreamer: i can have a read |
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| 14:40.21 | jetscreamer | heh.... last year? :) |
| 14:40.23 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
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| 14:41.06 | Ashtars_fanclub | isnt it possible to use nautilus w/o having it taking over ur desktop? |
| 14:41.09 | derobert | Dav89: don't IRC as root.... |
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| 14:41.55 | petemc | Ashtars_fanclub: yeah, you change a gconf value |
| 14:42.15 | toresbe | leira: You're from China, right? |
| 14:42.32 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
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| 14:42.39 | toresbe | That's the last hop that resolves, anyway |
| 14:42.44 | jetscreamer | maybe the format of your CC= is worng |
| 14:42.44 | dav89 | im here with irssi and 2.6 |
| 14:42.52 | dav89 | what do i have to do? |
| 14:43.07 | jetscreamer | dav89, now try the modprobe stuff |
| 14:43.12 | jm_ | Dave123: try /disco to impress us with your disco dancing skills |
| 14:43.12 | dav89 | ok |
| 14:43.18 | jm_ | dav89: try /disco to impress us with your disco dancing skills |
| 14:43.19 | dav89 | exit irrsi and try |
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| 14:43.29 | Ashtars_fanclub | petermc: just installing gconf requires 6 additional packages and 3883kB more space, isnt there just a text file to edit? |
| 14:43.32 | jm_ | darn |
| 14:43.47 | jetscreamer | CC=gcc34 maybe |
| 14:43.47 | leira | toresb: how do u know? yes |
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| 14:44.16 | petemc | Ashtars_fanclub: ive onyl ever dfone it with gconf-editor |
| 14:44.22 | petemc | gah |
| 14:44.27 | lord_rob | Hi ! What was the name of the audio cd player that can submit track names to cddb ? |
| 14:44.28 | leira | jetscreamer: well, THX, i will have a try~ |
| 14:44.37 | leira | toresbe: ? |
| 14:44.40 | jetscreamer | Ashtars_fanclub, you would start nautilus with the proper switch |
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| 14:45.02 | jetscreamer | --nodesktop or something..... i forget that too, but i've seen it :) |
| 14:45.09 | jetscreamer | man nautilus |
| 14:45.17 | petemc | thats not too handy |
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| 14:45.36 | dav89 | xdm not found |
| 14:45.56 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 14:45.57 | jetscreamer | ah ok so dav89 what are you using? gdm, xdm, kdm ? |
| 14:46.08 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: apt-get install xdm |
| 14:46.10 | dav89 | what is gdm....xdm..... |
| 14:46.12 | dav89 | ok |
| 14:46.15 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: google |
| 14:46.16 | dav89 | i do apt |
| 14:46.16 | jetscreamer | dav89, gnome, kde ? |
| 14:46.19 | minimec | jetscreamer: 'nautilus --no-desktop --browser', if you want it the 'old style' |
| 14:46.19 | dav89 | kde |
| 14:46.20 | jetscreamer | no wait |
| 14:46.21 | Ashtars_fanclub | jetscreamer: it wasnt --nodesktop |
| 14:46.26 | dav89 | kde |
| 14:46.27 | jetscreamer | i was close |
| 14:46.29 | derobert | dav89: then you probably use kdm |
| 14:46.33 | dav89 | ok |
| 14:46.34 | dav89 | i try |
| 14:46.38 | jetscreamer | dav89, /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 14:46.41 | minimec | :-) |
| 14:46.45 | petemc | Ashtars_fanclub: fire up gconf-editor, navigate to nautilus... |
| 14:47.00 | jm_ | or just use gconf if gconf-editor is too much |
| 14:47.12 | Ashtars_fanclub | petemc: like i said i dun wanna install aditional files |
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| 14:47.15 | dav89 | kdm doesn't exist |
| 14:47.20 | ricky_clarkson | !info kdm |
| 14:47.25 | petemc | Ashtars_fanclub: you should already have gconf-editor |
| 14:47.27 | ricky_clarkson | @info kdm |
| 14:47.29 | jetscreamer | dav89, apt-get install kdm then |
| 14:47.33 | dav89 | ok |
| 14:47.35 | Ashtars_fanclub | jetscreamer: thanks --no-browser worked just fine |
| 14:47.36 | ravenbird | kdm: (KDE Display Manager), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 411 kB, Installed size: 1276 kB |
| 14:47.40 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: Yes it does, look. |
| 14:47.41 | ricky_clarkson | Git. |
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| 14:47.57 | jetscreamer | Ashtars_fanclub, thank minimec i was just close, he was accurate |
| 14:48.08 | Ashtars_fanclub | now how do i set the icon theme without gnome installed? |
| 14:48.12 | jetscreamer | exists on his system |
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| 14:48.19 | eselmongo | question: in which file should I put "echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" to make ondemand the governor even after a reboot (and for all users)? |
| 14:48.22 | Ashtars_fanclub | minimec: thanks alot |
| 14:48.29 | jetscreamer | Ashtars_fanclub, gtk-theme-switch maybe, maybe not |
| 14:48.35 | minimec | you're welcome. |
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| 14:48.47 | jm_ | eselmongo: make a file in /etc/init.d and symlink it from rc2.d |
| 14:48.48 | jetscreamer | Ashtars_fanclub, no that won't work for icons, sorry |
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| 14:48.58 | jetscreamer | jsut the widgets |
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| 14:49.10 | Ashtars_fanclub | kk, possible config files? |
| 14:49.22 | jetscreamer | greycat are you the gift coder greycat ? |
| 14:49.39 | greycat | jetscreamer: I've submitted a couple patches, but I'm not really a developer |
| 14:49.44 | jetscreamer | yeah ok that one |
| 14:49.53 | greycat | the main giFT developer is jasta |
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| 14:49.55 | jetscreamer | saw a ref to a patch |
| 14:49.55 | ricky_clarkson | woo, something we can blame greycat for. |
| 14:50.07 | eselmongo | jm_: thanks |
| 14:50.18 | greycat | !blame greycat for making Ogg Vorbis detection work in giftd |
| 14:50.28 | greycat | hrm. |
| 14:50.33 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.56 | greycat | @blame greycat for making Ogg Vorbis detection work in giftd |
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| 14:51.14 | derobert | apt, did you die again? |
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| 14:51.23 | sussudio | !bear derobert |
| 14:51.25 | JohnFlux | someone just sent a 50MB email |
| 14:51.26 | jetscreamer | dpkg is ded atm |
| 14:51.27 | jetscreamer | ~test |
| 14:51.28 | apt | Failed |
| 14:51.36 | dav89 | it worked but when i reboot it didn't work again |
| 14:51.40 | JohnFlux | it's being sent from my email server. how do I cancel it ? :) |
| 14:51.45 | derobert | sussudio: bear? |
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| 14:51.51 | TinoW | hello-o |
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| 14:51.54 | greycat | JohnFlux: that's MTA specific. |
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| 14:52.02 | JohnFlux | i think it's qmail |
| 14:52.15 | jetscreamer | dav89, edit /etc/modules and add psmouse and mousedev, then modprobe them. |
| 14:52.22 | dav89 | jetscreamer: with modprobe etc. etc. it worked but when i typed shoutdown -r now it didn't work |
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| 14:52.30 | TinoW | anybody an idea how to use webdav with gnome file requesters? |
| 14:52.33 | greycat | !google for qmhandle |
| 14:52.35 | derobert | dav89: add the modules to /etc/modules |
| 14:52.36 | JohnFlux | greycat: running "mailq" shows it |
| 14:52.37 | jetscreamer | dav89, when you add those to /etc/modules it wil load them on boot |
| 14:52.46 | dav89 | OK! |
| 14:52.47 | greycat | JohnFlux: that doesn't help much. |
| 14:53.07 | greycat | JohnFlux: now, if you *pasted the actual output of mailq*, we might have a chance at guessing which program made that output... |
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| 14:54.09 | JohnFlux | greycat: i just found a 64mb file in /var/spool/mqueue |
| 14:54.15 | JohnFlux | greycat: deleting it should work? |
| 14:54.25 | JohnFlux | hmm probably not |
| 14:54.28 | greycat | you may have to delete more than one file. |
| 14:54.33 | leira | i've worked it out~ it is: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg |
| 14:54.39 | Ashtars_fanclub | howto change nowtilus icons? |
| 14:54.40 | leira | thank u all~ |
| 14:54.47 | Ashtars_fanclub | nautilus |
| 14:54.48 | greycat | you still haven't told us which MTA it is (but qmail doesn't use a directory named /var/spool/mqueue, so it ain't qmail...) |
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| 14:55.10 | JohnFlux | greycat: hmm sorry it's sendmail |
| 14:55.13 | derobert | greycat: neither does exim. Does anything but sendmail? |
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| 14:55.51 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 14:56.09 | derobert | JohnFlux: I think if you delete the qf-file and the df-file that should get rid of it for sendmail, but its been a long time since I touched sendmail. |
| 14:56.09 | WorkerII | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.09 | zzyber | what printingsystem should i use if i have a deskjet 920c? |
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| 14:56.32 | jetscreamer | hpijs or something is the driver i think |
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| 14:56.36 | greycat | JohnFlux: I think sendmail uses two files per message-in-the-queue... a "df" for data, and something else for metadata. |
| 14:56.41 | JohnFlux | ahh |
| 14:56.48 | JohnFlux | yeah i was wondering about that |
| 14:56.51 | greycat | "cf*" maybe. |
| 14:56.53 | Master_of_desast | Hello everyone ! I have a problem with dselect. After I said "Update List of available packages", dselect want to delete some packages (such as k3b, kate etc) if I want to install new packages. But I haven't selected these packages to be deleted. How can I stop that ? |
| 14:56.55 | greycat | it's been a looooong time... |
| 14:56.56 | jetscreamer | you might need ppm2ppa also... i use cups, but i suck. |
| 14:57.12 | zzyber | jetscreamer, oki, but i wounder if i should use cups lrp foomatic?? |
| 14:57.24 | jetscreamer | yeah i use foomatic also i think |
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| 14:57.38 | dav89 | how to save changes with VI? |
| 14:57.43 | jetscreamer | Master_of_desast, that's because of updates... |
| 14:57.43 | dav89 | i don't remember |
| 14:57.45 | greycat | !vi basics |
| 14:57.51 | jetscreamer | :w dav89 |
| 14:57.55 | greycat | ~vi basics |
| 14:57.56 | apt | vi is a modal editor: it has insert, replace and command modes. You start in command mode. Press "i" to enter insert mode, and ESC to go back to command mode. "dd" deletes a line, and "x" deletes a character. Save-and-exit with "ZZ". |
| 14:57.56 | jetscreamer | and :q |
| 14:57.56 | dav89 | right! |
| 14:58.01 | zzyber | jetscreamer, i will aim for foomatic too, cups seems a little to mutch |
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| 14:58.21 | caphuso | !vi 101 |
| 14:58.26 | saerdna | how do i make a program run once, on boot with cron? |
| 14:58.40 | greycat | saerdna: @reboot. man 5 crontab. |
| 14:58.41 | caphuso | damn, where's dpkg when you need it? |
| 14:59.02 | jetscreamer | Master_of_desast, one program that is being updated requires a diff lib than the ones k3b is using... so it wants to ake em out. tell dselect to not do that prog.. is it libflac? i forget but i had that the other day. |
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| 14:59.29 | greycat | and for that matter, why didn't badgers answer my vi basics question? |
| 14:59.32 | jetscreamer | might be gstreamer0.8... i forget. |
| 14:59.40 | jetscreamer | diff ! |
| 14:59.42 | greycat | !wake up! |
| 14:59.42 | sussudio | greycat: apparently "mysql has gone away" |
| 14:59.48 | greycat | sussudio: bummer... |
| 15:00.04 | Master_of_desast | @jetscreamer: How can I tell dselect to leave it out ? |
| 15:00.06 | sussudio | [ 262] !WARN! PERL: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: MySQL server has gone away |
| 15:00.06 | sussudio | at ./src/dbi.pl line 566. |
| 15:00.17 | greycat | did mysql crash? |
| 15:00.27 | sussudio | maybe that's what happens to dpkg too |
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| 15:00.56 | jetscreamer | Master_of_desast, go back to the install portion, and use H(shift h) to hold, or - to remove, or _ to purge |
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| 15:01.24 | jetscreamer | Master_of_desast, or go and re-select k3b and it will/should show you the conflict |
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| 15:01.40 | Master_of_desast | @jetscreamer: Uh...for each file ? dselect want to delete 38 packages ? |
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| 15:01.54 | dav89 | thanks my saver!!!! |
| 15:01.59 | dav89 | everythings work!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:02.02 | dav89 | LOVE YOU! |
| 15:02.02 | sussudio | !ep |
| 15:02.03 | badgers | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:02.04 | dav89 | :*************** |
| 15:02.05 | Master_of_desast | @jetscreamer: Isn't there any faster method ? |
| 15:02.09 | greycat | the only dselect command you *really* need to know is ctrl-c: get the fuck out. |
| 15:02.16 | jetscreamer | ~tell dav89 about enter |
| 15:02.24 | caphuso | !vi 101 |
| 15:02.25 | jetscreamer | greycat, lies! |
| 15:02.28 | derobert | greycat: lol |
| 15:02.37 | caphuso | hrm |
| 15:02.41 | jetscreamer | Master_of_desast, reselecting k3b might/should give you what you need |
| 15:02.46 | scarynetworkguy | Dselect is a source of evil and pain. |
| 15:02.53 | scarynetworkguy | And not the good kind of evil and pain. |
| 15:03.02 | caphuso | it's not |
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| 15:03.09 | Master_of_desast | Isn't it possible just to tell dselect to forget about the delete and just continuing the update ? |
| 15:03.13 | greycat | you're right, caphuso: it's not the good kind. |
| 15:03.14 | jetscreamer | also, just scroll down and they're easy to see.... the ones in the middle of all the *'s that have - |
| 15:03.14 | sussudio | !vi basics |
| 15:03.29 | saerdna | greycat: @reboot <user> <command> ? |
| 15:03.46 | jetscreamer | i think the package selection state is persistent |
| 15:03.49 | greycat | saerdna: man 5 crontab |
| 15:03.51 | JohnFlux | greycat: thanks for the help |
| 15:03.53 | jetscreamer | so ctrl-c wouldn't work |
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| 15:04.01 | saerdna | greycat: i did |
| 15:04.33 | greycat | saerdna: you don't put <user> in personal crontabs, because they're *already* tied to your username. |
| 15:04.33 | jetscreamer | you could try ctrl-c |
| 15:04.33 | jetscreamer | cant hurt |
| 15:04.33 | greycat | it's onnly persistent if you go back into the Hellhole. |
| 15:04.33 | caphuso | Master_of_desast: just fix the problem when dselect shows you the list of problematic packages. you might need to put a few packages temporarily on hold for that |
| 15:04.35 | greycat | but why would you do that? Ctrl-C out, then use apt-get. |
| 15:04.52 | caphuso | it tells you exactly what the problem is, if you bother to read the screen |
| 15:04.53 | jetscreamer | shift R resets, but i dunno if it will work after you leave the selection screen |
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| 15:05.26 | jetscreamer | dselect is the greatest package manager btw, |
| 15:05.33 | Master_of_desast | Ok... I will try that. Thanks for help :) ! Bye ! |
| 15:05.35 | nikolas | what program should i use to keep my time updated on my debian box ? |
| 15:05.35 | saerdna | greycat: i didnt see anything about personal crontab |
| 15:05.45 | mp3jMS | hows that book? the debian bible? |
| 15:05.46 | derobert | nikolas: ntp |
| 15:05.49 | caphuso | saerdna: crontab -e |
| 15:05.49 | jetscreamer | nikolas, ntpdate usually |
| 15:05.56 | greycat | saerdna: if you type "crontab -e", as you SHOULD BE DOING, that's YOUR personal crontab that you're editing. |
| 15:06.01 | jetscreamer | either/or |
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| 15:06.16 | jetscreamer | read up on both, decide which one is right for your box |
| 15:06.35 | greycat | damned Germans who can't spell "disaster" :( |
| 15:06.40 | saerdna | greycat: ah |
| 15:06.44 | mp3jMS | hows that book? the debian bible? |
| 15:06.44 | jetscreamer | ntpdate only does the time when you boot, ntp keeps it current |
| 15:06.54 | dav89 | has 2.6 kernel the ipv6 module built on? |
| 15:06.55 | greycat | usually you want both. |
| 15:07.06 | greycat | dav89: less /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:07.07 | jetscreamer | yes dav89 |
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| 15:07.23 | sussudio | greycat: ungluck? |
| 15:07.35 | jetscreamer | or less /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 15:07.43 | mwilson | grrrrrr... stupid Apple |
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| 15:08.02 | streuner | greycat: unglück=bad luck |
| 15:08.05 | mwilson | How dare you make me crazy by upgrading the powerbook again... |
| 15:08.33 | dav89 | i'm not able to use ipv6 service.... |
| 15:08.51 | mp3jMS | phil collins you still cant get a life ah? |
| 15:09.10 | scarynetworkguy | dav89: That's your box doing you a favour. IPv6 causes cancer and is evil. |
| 15:09.29 | greycat | but at least it doesn't drown kittens. |
| 15:09.42 | Ashtars_fanclub | does anyone know how to configure mouse sensitivity and accuracy ? |
| 15:09.44 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: But it does kick puppies. |
| 15:09.58 | greycat | well that's ok. |
| 15:10.04 | jharrisonwk | I drown kittens |
| 15:10.06 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 15:10.10 | jetscreamer | dav89, you either need to load the module, or /etc/network/interfaces needs fixing |
| 15:10.12 | dav89 | scarynetworkguy, don't be sarcastic |
| 15:10.16 | toresbe | the puppies were humping its leg |
| 15:10.20 | greycat | dav89: /join #ipv6 |
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| 15:10.29 | scarynetworkguy | dav89: I'm not. I fucking hate IPv6. |
| 15:10.29 | toresbe | it was in its full right |
| 15:10.39 | dav89 | a problem |
| 15:10.43 | dav89 | why when i type kedit |
| 15:10.44 | dav89 | i recive |
| 15:10.45 | dav89 | linux:/home/davide# kedit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:10.45 | dav89 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 15:10.45 | dav89 | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 15:10.45 | dav89 | kedit: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 15:10.47 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: I've never looked at it, what's wrong with it? |
| 15:10.53 | fooz | ipv6 is neat |
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| 15:10.56 | jetscreamer | ah shit he's using chatzilla |
| 15:10.57 | fooz | linux isn't too good at it though |
| 15:11.00 | derobert | scarynetworkguy: what do you have against ipv6? |
| 15:11.12 | greycat | dav89: could you please try to be stupider? there's still some small gleam of proto-intelligence coming through. |
| 15:11.20 | toresbe | I do believe scarynetworkguy hates pretty much everything ;) |
| 15:11.24 | scarynetworkguy | derobert: The address scheme to start with. The fact that I *like* NAT for two. |
| 15:11.28 | dav89 | greycat, suck! |
| 15:11.29 | jetscreamer | dav89, DO NOT do a lot of lines here, you'll piss ppl off... |
| 15:11.30 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: Pretty much. |
| 15:11.34 | dav89 | ok.... |
| 15:11.36 | fooz | so use NAT with ipv6. what's the problem? |
| 15:11.50 | dav89 | jetscreamer, th problem isn't fixed yet.....have you seen? |
| 15:12.06 | dav89 | an error when i try to lunch a program trought shell |
| 15:12.08 | greycat | the problem being "I'm a KDE-using, drooling GUI nitwit"? |
| 15:12.09 | streuner | Why didn't debhelper work? |
| 15:12.12 | scarynetworkguy | fooz: The addresses. I like my octets and *hate* the hex scheme those fucks use. |
| 15:12.15 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 15:12.19 | derobert | scarynetworkguy: liking NAT would be your problem, then. NAT is evil. |
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| 15:12.24 | greycat | dav89: use a REAL FUCKING TEXT EDITOR, one that doesn't need X! |
| 15:12.24 | jharrisonwk | lunch a program |
| 15:12.28 | jetscreamer | dav89, i don't do ipv6 either |
| 15:12.35 | scarynetworkguy | derobert: No NAT is good. Devs who don't use OSI are evil. |
| 15:12.39 | fooz | scarynetworkguy, you get magical DNS and address assignment for free though. you never need to use an address |
| 15:12.42 | dav89 | jetscreamer, is still x windows system |
| 15:12.44 | fooz | scarynetworkguy, and prefixes are easy to remember |
| 15:12.46 | dav89 | not ipv6 |
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| 15:12.53 | scarynetworkguy | fooz: Yeah to me that's a problem. |
| 15:12.57 | dav89 | when i type kedit from shell i've got an x windows error |
| 15:13.05 | scarynetworkguy | I hate that it does so much behind my back. |
| 15:13.07 | dav89 | edit: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 15:13.13 | dav89 | probably i need xwindows.... |
| 15:13.15 | greycat | we saw it the first time. |
| 15:13.17 | jetscreamer | ok so you're using kde, and trying to launch what? yeah i get that too |
| 15:13.18 | jharrisonwk | im getting a headache |
| 15:13.20 | scarynetworkguy | I don't want computers to do that much for me. |
| 15:13.28 | fooz | scarynetworkguy, but it doesn't. you have to set it up. |
| 15:13.28 | jetscreamer | dav89, you have x-windows theoretically |
| 15:13.30 | bogon | dav89: use nano or a different text editor that works in console |
| 15:13.32 | derobert | scarynetworkguy: OSI?! |
| 15:13.39 | pingouin | what is the «remplacement» of devfs ? |
| 15:13.40 | jetscreamer | dav89, try apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 15:13.45 | jetscreamer | udev |
| 15:13.54 | scarynetworkguy | derobert: Thanks for proving that you don't know enough to have an opinion. |
| 15:13.54 | greycat | jetscreamer: he's trying to launch a GUI editor *as root*. |
| 15:13.57 | fooz | well, I guess a lot of clients get their own addresses automatically |
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| 15:13.59 | jetscreamer | pingouin, ^^ |
| 15:13.59 | scarynetworkguy | derobert: Google. |
| 15:13.59 | greycat | jetscreamer: see the problem *now*? |
| 15:14.02 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 15:14.03 | astronut | is people.d.o back up yet? |
| 15:14.27 | supaman | is he not trying to do this as root? |
| 15:14.27 | dav89 | ok i'm installing that |
| 15:14.27 | greycat | supaman: his paste was quite clear. |
| 15:14.27 | derobert | scarynetworkguy: I know what OSI is, why would you want to use *that* protocol stack? |
| 15:14.27 | jetscreamer | works here, but not in kde |
| 15:14.27 | pingouin | how to know which one is running ? udev devfs ? |
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| 15:14.27 | pingouin | jetscreamer: hello |
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| 15:14.27 | greycat | pingouin: purge them both. |
| 15:14.27 | jetscreamer | dav89, kde may not let you. not sure. |
| 15:14.27 | fooz | heh |
| 15:14.28 | supaman | greycat: ok |
| 15:14.34 | greycat | pingouin: they are evil and the solve *no* problem. |
| 15:14.36 | TheAsp | Whats the url to the page that says why a package hasnt made it into testing yet? |
| 15:14.36 | scarynetworkguy | derobert: Because it is the model that all of TCP/IP is built off of. |
| 15:14.41 | dav89 | how strange linux! |
| 15:14.47 | fooz | scarynetworkguy, he's talking about OSI the protocol, you're talking about OSI the model |
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| 15:14.54 | bogon | TheAsp: google |
| 15:14.55 | fooz | scarynetworkguy, looks like he predates you as a network guy. |
| 15:14.56 | greycat | ~why is foobar not in testing |
| 15:14.57 | apt | greycat: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:15.02 | scarynetworkguy | fooz: Of course I am. He's a fucking moron. |
| 15:15.04 | jharrisonwk | dav89: you are not a native english speaker are you |
| 15:15.09 | greycat | apt: listkeys in testing |
| 15:15.11 | scarynetworkguy | fooz: No he doesn't. |
| 15:15.12 | mp3jMS | i still linux has long way to go before beating microsoft in main stream users |
| 15:15.13 | TheAsp | bogon: wow, what amazing help you are . . . |
| 15:15.14 | fooz | heh |
| 15:15.25 | greycat | badgers: listkeys in testing |
| 15:15.27 | badgers | Factoid search of 'in testing' by key (2 shown): cmd: why is (.*?) not in testing ;; cmd: why (.*?) is not in testing. |
| 15:15.31 | bogon | TheAsp: I am sure that you would find it immediately |
| 15:15.32 | TheAsp | ahh |
| 15:15.35 | TheAsp | thanks badgers |
| 15:15.36 | greycat | badgers: why is foobar not in testing |
| 15:15.36 | jetscreamer | more like x-windows and gnome and kde not linux |
| 15:15.37 | badgers | foobar is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foobar |
| 15:15.41 | dav89 | no i'm not. i'm italian. i have been studying english for 5 years but relly hard only for 2 years |
| 15:15.46 | gilles | what is the dpkg command to reinstall a broken package ? |
| 15:15.50 | abrotman | really hard ? |
| 15:15.54 | pingouin | greycat: i dont really understand, i've just read the weekly debian news and an Russel Coker said that devfs is «deprecated» and will be out in june 2005 |
| 15:15.55 | jharrisonwk | mp3jMS: I think a lot of people dont care if linux beats microsoft in mainstream |
| 15:15.55 | dav89 | yes. |
| 15:15.56 | abrotman | apt-get -f install ? |
| 15:15.57 | dwu | hi all, i have a shell script which calls a perl script. however the shell script eats all the quotes i pass to it, hence some argument with space (i.e makearg="foo bar") is interperated as makearg=foo. is there a way to work around this ? |
| 15:15.57 | greycat | gilles: is that a trick question? |
| 15:15.59 | astronut | is people.d.o back up yet? |
| 15:16.04 | derobert | scarynetworkguy: if you mean apps that don't respect proper seperation between layers, then, yeah, that's evil too |
| 15:16.08 | mp3jMS | what the fuck the language has anything to do with it |
| 15:16.14 | scarynetworkguy | derobert: Of course it is. |
| 15:16.16 | gilles | greycat: no, it's not |
| 15:16.27 | greycat | dwu: yeah, fix your quotes. |
| 15:16.34 | astronut | dwu escape it perhaps? |
| 15:16.39 | astronut | foo\ bar |
| 15:16.40 | astronut | ? |
| 15:16.42 | greycat | !tell gilles about errors |
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| 15:16.48 | abrotman | astronut: try it .. does it work? |
| 15:16.49 | mp3jMS | i do care i would like to install my customers puters with linux but they so fucking dumb that theyll be calling me all day long so i care |
| 15:16.51 | dwu | astronut same problem |
| 15:16.53 | bob2 | anyone remember the "disable this ide channel" boot incantation? |
| 15:17.01 | fooz | bob2, ideX=off |
| 15:17.01 | greycat | !tell dwu about errors |
| 15:17.06 | astronut | abrotman at school right now, bitchx over ssh |
| 15:17.06 | greycat | !tell dwu about details |
| 15:17.15 | abrotman | astronut: bitchx makes you sterile |
| 15:17.18 | dav89 | installing x windows asks me which display manager to use. xdm-kdm-gdm.... |
| 15:17.28 | astronut | abrotman how so? |
| 15:17.35 | dav89 | may be i should select xdm... |
| 15:17.35 | bob2 | fooz: danke |
| 15:17.40 | derobert | scarynetworkguy: besides, wasn't TCP/IP et. al. developed around the DoD model, not the OSI one? |
| 15:17.47 | greycat | what *I* want to know is HOW THE HELL DID HE HAVE KEDIT INSTALLED IF HE DIDN'T HAVE THE X WINDOW SYSTEM INSTALLED/ |
| 15:17.49 | gilles | greycat: the error msg is that the xserver-xfree86 package is broken or partially installed |
| 15:17.50 | abrotman | astronut: i heard that rumor at the bar ... |
| 15:17.55 | dav89 | reboot again! |
| 15:18.02 | scarynetworkguy | derobert: And the relationship between OSI and DoD is? |
| 15:18.06 | astronut | abrotman and if you want to talk about going sterile, alcohol.... |
| 15:18.11 | greycat | gilles: dpkg --purge --force-depends --force-remove-reinstallreq IS THIS NOT IN THE FAQ!?! |
| 15:18.16 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 15:18.16 | badgers | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:18.17 | abrotman | astronut: good .. who wants me to breed anyways |
| 15:18.24 | astronut | abortman: a fair point |
| 15:18.33 | fooz | greycat is going to burst a vein |
| 15:18.34 | astronut | abrotman what client would you recommend for console? |
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| 15:18.39 | fooz | someone apply the peltiers! |
| 15:18.43 | abrotman | astronut: irssi-text |
| 15:18.43 | greycat | 1.12. How do I remove a package that's in an inconsistent state? |
| 15:18.43 | resiak | astronut: "abortman" -- if that wasn't a typo, :D |
| 15:18.46 | dwu | astronut see? for foo\ bar the shell script will take it properly but when it calls the perl script it'll stil see the argument as "makearg=foo bar" NOT "makearg=foo\ bar" |
| 15:18.47 | mp3jMS | i still can not find a ghood match for music match in linux |
| 15:18.56 | abrotman | resiak: it happens so often .. i highlight on it |
| 15:19.01 | resiak | abrotman: Really? |
| 15:19.03 | greycat | Somewhat more often than we like, a package's removal breaks in such a way that dpkg gets confused. Then, any time you try to remove the package it says "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal." And then ..... |
| 15:19.05 | resiak | Nice. |
| 15:19.05 | abrotman | mp3jMS: zinf .. xmms |
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| 15:19.13 | greycat | READ. THE. FAQ. BEFORE. I. KILL. YOU. |
| 15:19.14 | derobert | scarynetworkguy: irrelevant to the historical question of which it was developed around, and probably not really on-topic here |
| 15:19.19 | abrotman | resiak: yes .. really . i considered highlighting on abauer too |
| 15:19.26 | abrotman | abauer: sorry |
| 15:19.26 | mp3jMS | xmms is not a good match ill try that zinf |
| 15:19.42 | resiak | abrotman: Especially given that you were talking about sterility, that particular typo was nice. |
| 15:19.49 | abrotman | resiak: heh |
| 15:19.58 | abrotman | mp3jMS: rhythmbox may also work for you |
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| 15:20.09 | abrotman | mp3jMS: maybe you shoulld tell us what part of musicmatch you miss |
| 15:20.11 | scarynetworkguy | derobert: Not on-topic no. But very relevant and it does not disprove my point in any way shape or form. But to answer your question yes it was. |
| 15:20.17 | mp3jMS | rhythmbox is nice is the closest i have found |
| 15:20.28 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: howdy |
| 15:20.29 | mp3jMS | but still i think mmjb is better |
| 15:20.59 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: high |
| 15:21.13 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: oh really |
| 15:21.20 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: so high you can touch the sky? |
| 15:21.22 | abrotman | mp3jMS: ok .. so what's yoru problem then? .. either use windows .. write another mp3 player .. or use what's available |
| 15:21.35 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: ermm .. you know what i meant :) |
| 15:21.42 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes I sure did |
| 15:21.48 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ;) |
| 15:22.00 | mp3jMS | abrotman, ok the part of music match i miss is this in music match i can see my whole music library i dont have to go browsing in music match just with a double click in a particular song from the music library it goes right into my playlist what else? hmmm lemme think/............. |
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| 15:22.12 | jharrisonwk | mp3jMS: I vote you just use windows and piss off |
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| 15:22.36 | mp3jMS | jharrisonyou damn right i use windows for my gigs till i find a good linux player |
| 15:22.46 | fooz | or use OS X and iTunes, it's similar |
| 15:23.04 | dwu | greycat: if you didnt understand. here is the recap. i have a shell script which calls a perlscript. i pass the argument to the shell script which sets up some variable and then calls the perl script with the arguments. the problem arises when quoting for example. when i call the shell srcipt with script.sh makearg="foo bar" intending that it pass to perl as makearg="foo bar". but in reality it passes to perl with makearg=foo bar which $ARGV in perl cannot deciph |
| 15:23.12 | mp3jMS | is there an itunes for linux? |
| 15:23.25 | greycat | dwu: you are in quoting hell. /join #bash. |
| 15:23.28 | fooz | i'll be the last person on earth to still be using xmms |
| 15:23.31 | fooz | when the world ends |
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| 15:23.39 | abrotman | mp3jMS: you can do that with XMMS .. they have playlists for xmms also |
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| 15:24.04 | gilles | greycat: it doesn't work |
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| 15:24.09 | derobert | fooz: I don't know about that. I will be competing with you for that title. |
| 15:24.29 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 15:24.35 | greycat | !+doesn't work |
| 15:24.35 | badgers | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 15:24.41 | mp3jMS | abrotman, xmmms doesnt show my whole music library i have to go browse the whole system if xmms could show me my music library i would use it cause i like the rst of the proggy |
| 15:24.43 | fooz | i've been trying out OS X lately. itunes is teh suck |
| 15:24.44 | jharrisonwk | ok back to playing with bind |
| 15:24.45 | greycat | !FAQ gilles |
| 15:24.46 | badgers | gilles: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:24.54 | greycat | gilles: 1.12 on the fucking PACKAGE MANAGEMENT PAGE. |
| 15:24.55 | fooz | even the music store -- they've got jack for music in there |
| 15:25.05 | abrotman | mp3jMS: i do mine like `xmms *` |
| 15:25.06 | jharrisonwk | mp3jMS: have you looked at scentric? |
| 15:25.27 | mp3jMS | ok very good ill chaeck scentric |
| 15:25.31 | abrotman | mp3jMS: there are dozens of mp3 players .. and i'm sure if you ask #xmms .. they would tell you it does what you want |
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| 15:25.50 | patrakov | what's the debian way of managing firewall rules? |
| 15:25.51 | jharrisonwk | mp3jMS: you could /j #scentric |
| 15:25.53 | mp3jMS | ok ill check that room thanks |
| 15:26.00 | greycat | abrotman: I found xmms's interface to be less than optimal, which is why I found mp3commander to go with it. |
| 15:26.25 | fooz | greycat, that's not debbed, is it? |
| 15:26.26 | derobert | mp3jMS: if you're looking at xmms, try loading everything into the playlist then using 'j'. Then add things to the play queue. |
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| 15:26.52 | fatal_ | patrakov: my way of doing it is to add a "up /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/fw.sh" in /etc/network/interfaces and write the fw.sh script to update the firewall rules.. |
| 15:26.57 | abrotman | greycat: i like corner-xmms .. so i guess i'm stuck with xmms |
| 15:27.04 | mp3jMS | derobert, my god i have 55000 mp3's that is fifty thousand |
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| 15:27.15 | patrakov | fatal_: will do so |
| 15:27.17 | fatal_ | patrakov: pre-up even... |
| 15:27.17 | mp3jMS | i think it would take a while to load |
| 15:27.22 | mp3jMS | no time in a gig for that |
| 15:27.31 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: corner-xmms is so girly |
| 15:27.34 | derobert | mp3jMS: well, it may table a little while to load, but does it cause any other problems? |
| 15:27.36 | froomi | derobert: you are here ? |
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| 15:27.40 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: it's nice while playing guitar |
| 15:27.44 | TinoW | mp3jMS: try pytone |
| 15:27.47 | derobert | froomi: yes |
| 15:28.13 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: you're a girly man |
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| 15:28.20 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: ermm .. ok |
| 15:28.22 | fooz | only xmms plugin I use is crossfade |
| 15:28.28 | fooz | and I don't use crossfading, I just use the gap killer |
| 15:28.34 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: im just kidding around |
| 15:28.35 | mp3jMS | another one good ill try them all till i find the optimum one so i can tell my fellow dj's to move to linux |
| 15:28.39 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I ate to much sugar |
| 15:28.47 | jharrisonwk | and caffeine |
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| 15:28.50 | jharrisonwk | mmmmm |
| 15:28.53 | froomi | derobert: i use "db_subst " it 's work fine with comentary but not default value ? |
| 15:29.09 | mp3jMS | i have to go to brooklyn now i neeed some computer's parts |
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| 15:29.24 | fooz | cause all my albums are long seamless songs like trance or house or jazz |
| 15:29.28 | derobert | froomi: ? |
| 15:29.29 | mp3jMS | thanks for your help you guys are much nicer than b4 |
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| 15:29.36 | mp3jMS | bythe way im william |
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| 15:29.42 | mp3jMS | it was a nice chat bye guys |
| 15:29.46 | TinoW | pytone is nice, it crossfades, you can control it from outside |
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| 15:30.46 | froomi | derobert: about variable in debconf answer |
| 15:30.51 | ar3dam | fdfs |
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| 15:31.31 | Rawplayer | hi drfc |
| 15:31.32 | derobert | froomi: I'm pretty sure defaults are set by .config by using db_set |
| 15:31.34 | Rawplayer | nice ip you hav |
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| 15:32.30 | derobert | froomi: hmmm.... looking harder, I guess it can be in the template as well |
| 15:32.39 | ikari_ | i'm having a problem with what i guess is something pretty esoteric - i'm running the stable powerpc distribution on a powermac here, and i'm trying to get PCMCIA working with a PCI PCMCIA card cradle, but i don't know how to deal with irq stuff and such on a powermac - pcmcia-cs reports "cs: unable to map card memory!" and "memory_cs: RequestWindow: Resource in use" when i swap cards out, can anyone help? |
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| 15:32.48 | spiral | hi |
| 15:32.54 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate Phated |
| 15:32.56 | ravenbird | !irritate Phated |
| 15:32.57 | badgers | $1: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses cable hello? |
| 15:33.01 | FieldySnuts | $1? wtf? |
| 15:33.11 | Gh0sty | i've a small but nagging problem i can't find an answer for on google immediatly: seems when i run a remote console with putty on a sarge box it always breaks my line after 30 chars (the next chars appear at the beginning of the same line in stead of a new line) |
| 15:33.12 | greycat | bug in the factoid, or in the bot... |
| 15:33.13 | Phated | Ahem. |
| 15:33.13 | fooz | heh |
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| 15:33.14 | spiral | does anyone here know how I can get the new debian apt key ? |
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| 15:33.46 | greycat | or in the user ;-) |
| 15:33.52 | froomi | derobert: it's db_fset not db_set |
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| 15:34.11 | derobert | spiral: the new archive key? There was a message on debian-devel from AJ about that today |
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| 15:35.03 | derobert | froomi: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 15:35.11 | Araldit | I have tried to shift to utf-8 unicode, but firefox shows some texts wrong. Is this normal, or should it be possible to use utf-8 and still get perfect websites |
| 15:35.19 | BBearr | Hello again |
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| 15:35.45 | abrotman | BBearr: didn't you use up all your questions yesterday? |
| 15:35.49 | joefso | Hi |
| 15:36.00 | joefso | I was wondering, when a computer starts, the bios begins [self power on test] etc.. where does the bios end? And how is it handelt booting to another operating system?the process bewteen all that, could someone tell me some more detailed information about that? |
| 15:36.04 | BBearr | Lord, I certainly hope not! |
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| 15:36.34 | derobert | joefso: google, or the source code to lilo, grub, etc. will be happy to tell you |
| 15:36.34 | GyrosGeier | hi |
| 15:36.42 | greycat | joefso: basically, the BIOS hands over control by running the boot loader (LILO or GRUB, on i386), which then loads Linux. |
| 15:36.45 | froomi | derobert: i trie to have templates default value in debconf read in confiration file |
| 15:36.52 | Gh0sty | joefso: bios loads all kinds of basic hardware drivers, then it loads sector from the disk (containing boot loader code) |
| 15:37.00 | Cormade_Fool | righto. latest drama, if i want me a encrypted filesystem, would yee vote using util-linux or loop-aes-utils? the loop-aes verson of losetup has quiet a few more options, whereas the stock util-linux doesnt mention much at all about how it works, so doesnt fill me with confidence |
| 15:37.12 | derobert | froomi: will metaget do that? |
| 15:37.18 | possie | what is a good tool to resize your partitions? |
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| 15:37.28 | Xyrouz | parted ? |
| 15:37.30 | BBearr | I had a fairly painless upgrade to sarge last night, got my vid card groovin' with X. My mouse is a little strange, but other than that it all seems good. |
| 15:37.35 | froomi | derobert: i don't know |
| 15:37.48 | derobert | froomi: debconf-devel says it will |
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| 15:38.14 | possie | Xyrouz: parted doesn't work good for me here |
| 15:38.24 | froomi | derobert: ok, thank. you have a URL to debconf-devel pages ? |
| 15:38.33 | derobert | froomi: man debconf-devel |
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| 15:38.41 | petros | hi |
| 15:38.42 | froomi | derobert: :) |
| 15:38.45 | froomi | derobert: bye |
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| 15:38.51 | BBearr | I'm still having trouble getting my bootloader properly configured; can't boot directly from the hard drive. |
| 15:39.00 | petros | anyone here who use postfix + maildrop + imap ? |
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| 15:39.30 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: badgers doesn't actually ignore you. just FYI. |
| 15:39.43 | BBearr | AND, a heartfelt thanks to everyone who helped me get things sorted out yesterday. |
| 15:39.45 | supaman | petros: just ask the relevant question ... |
| 15:40.13 | petros | how can i configure maildrop to put the mails into the ~/Maildir instead of the local mailbox file? |
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| 15:40.26 | jharrisonwk | petros: http://www.firstpr.com.au/web-mail/RH71-Postfix-Courier-Maildrop-IMAP/ |
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| 15:41.11 | petros | already read it |
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| 15:41.27 | petros | but didn't find the relevant part |
| 15:41.31 | ooogly | can anyone tell me a site to download the testing distro dvd iso ? i couldn't find a link from debian.org |
| 15:41.36 | spiral | derobert: hmmm... And what did the message say ? |
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| 15:41.54 | greycat | !d-i |
| 15:41.59 | greycat | !+d-i |
| 15:42.00 | badgers | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 15:42.01 | abrotman | petros: #postfix |
| 15:42.03 | Winblowz | wondering if any of u knows about the ZyXel Prestige 630-C1 usb modem drivers |
| 15:42.03 | derobert | spiral: http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2005.asc |
| 15:42.05 | jharrisonwk | petros: ok |
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| 15:42.19 | Winblowz | i seem to be having great trouble in finding some |
| 15:42.19 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:42.20 | badgers | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:42.28 | spiral | derobert: thanks :-) |
| 15:42.43 | lu | hello, got questions about inird, mkinird and compiling a custom kernel |
| 15:42.43 | derobert | spiral: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/ will have more |
| 15:43.07 | ikari_ | i'm having a problem with what i guess is something pretty esoteric - i'm running the stable powerpc distribution on a powermac here, and i'm trying to get PCMCIA working with a PCI PCMCIA card cradle, but i don't know how to deal with irq stuff and such on a powermac - pcmcia-cs reports "cs: unable to map card memory!" and "memory_cs: RequestWindow: Resource in use" when i swap cards out, can anyone help? |
| 15:43.12 | jharrisonwk | petros: put in your main.cf home_mailbox = maildir/ |
| 15:43.40 | PerfDave | ikari_: #debianppc might be able to help? |
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| 15:43.43 | petros | ok, got it |
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| 15:43.49 | petros | now restart postfix? |
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| 15:43.57 | jharrisonwk | petros: you will have to comment out the procmail command |
| 15:44.00 | jharrisonwk | petros: then restart |
| 15:44.17 | ikari_ | perfdave, i'll check, thanks |
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| 15:44.25 | jharrisonwk | petros: or just restart and if you have problems then comment out procmial command |
| 15:44.27 | lu | my kernel incatation make-kpkg buildpackage --append-to-version=.20050102 --revision=gnulu2 kernel_image module_image |
| 15:44.33 | petros | mailbox_command = maildrop -d "${EXTENSION}" |
| 15:44.37 | blight | What's a good place to put apache vhost content /var/www? |
| 15:44.39 | petros | ive got this as mda |
| 15:44.44 | abrotman | ikari_: more luck in #debianppc probably |
| 15:44.48 | petros | isnt that right? |
| 15:44.49 | jharrisonwk | petros: ok |
| 15:44.51 | jharrisonwk | petros: yes |
| 15:44.53 | petros | ok |
| 15:44.53 | jharrisonwk | petros: restart |
| 15:45.01 | abrotman | maildir = ~/Maildir ? |
| 15:45.14 | Winblowz | i guess no one knows bout the ZyXel modem drivers then |
| 15:45.21 | jharrisonwk | home_mailbox = maildir/ |
| 15:45.41 | abrotman | home_mailbox = Maildir/ |
| 15:45.48 | abrotman | i was close |
| 15:45.59 | sussudio | !be abrotman barbie |
| 15:46.03 | sussudio | :-| |
| 15:46.04 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: miss by an inch is the same as missing by a mile |
| 15:46.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:46.07 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: :-P |
| 15:46.11 | lu | it makes the *.deb alright, but after I reboot i get this error: VF:scanned open root device"hda1", please append a correct "root boot opion" kernel panic |
| 15:46.11 | abrotman | sussudio: curses .. foiled again! |
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| 15:46.51 | petros | jharrison, i sent an email to myself but i still landed in the mailbox file |
| 15:46.59 | petros | *it |
| 15:47.20 | lu | can anyone help a kernel noob please |
| 15:48.36 | jharrisonwk | petros: join #bslug |
| 15:48.41 | supaman | *offtopic* anyone can tell me why the free command says I am using over 200 MB of my memory when I am running only console, jed and irssi? top lists the top most memory process as irssi and it is using 1.5% (of 256MB) .. how can I find out what this is all used in? |
| 15:49.03 | fooz | supaman, look on the -/+ buffers/cache line |
| 15:49.04 | derobert | supaman: disk cache, most likely |
| 15:49.07 | fooz | supaman, what's it say under free? |
| 15:49.11 | Cormade_Fool | supaman: linux likes loading things into ram, like parts of the filesystem |
| 15:49.46 | suifur | tis a good idea |
| 15:49.53 | supaman | fooz: free says Im using 213700 of RAM and 1364 of swap |
| 15:49.59 | suifur | what good is the memory when you're not using it ;) |
| 15:50.21 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you didn't have to take him away .. he should have gone to #postfix |
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| 15:50.34 | fooz | supaman, that's not what I asked for.. I asked for what's on the -/+ buffers/cache: line of the free output |
| 15:50.38 | supaman | suifur: I want the memory for another process and not swap ... |
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| 15:51.03 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: he can still got postfix |
| 15:51.11 | derobert | supaman: disk cache is freed if its needed for something else |
| 15:51.23 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: they don't speak english in the bahamas do they? |
| 15:51.24 | supaman | fooz: ohh ... sorry, used: 16960 free: 239912 |
| 15:51.27 | Gathond | supaman, the memory used for cache/buffers will be cleared if anything need it |
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| 15:51.41 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: of course we do |
| 15:51.45 | fooz | supaman, that means you're using 16MB of RAM and have 230-something free |
| 15:51.49 | fooz | supaman, so what's the problem? |
| 15:51.52 | abrotman | you'd never know it by your typing :) |
| 15:51.53 | suifur | supaman, let the kernel worry about managing your resources, if you really don't like it, rewrite the memory pagint and management functions in the kernel. |
| 15:52.03 | [puRpLeHaZe] | i am not fond of the menu structure of debian! many unnecesary programs are included to my fluxbox menu and many progs i need are not there! can anybody tell me how to deactivate the debian menu structure in order to create my own menu structure using the fluxbox configs? |
| 15:52.05 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: what the hell is that suppose to mean? |
| 15:52.16 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: "he can still got postfix" |
| 15:52.24 | froomi | derobert: it's work , thanks for all |
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| 15:52.33 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: s/got/go |
| 15:52.35 | [puRpLeHaZe] | i know how to create my own structure with other distros |
| 15:52.37 | supaman | so if I do some time measurements on my algorithm there wont be any swapping if the algorithm will fit in the memory? |
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| 15:52.38 | [puRpLeHaZe] | but with debian |
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| 15:52.43 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i know .. |
| 15:52.45 | RichiH | !tell Madkiss about ask |
| 15:52.46 | [puRpLeHaZe] | it gets overwritten by debian |
| 15:52.48 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: what do you know. you are always "high" |
| 15:52.51 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 15:52.54 | supaman | dont understand this output of free |
| 15:52.58 | fooz | supaman, linux swaps out anything that isn't being use |
| 15:52.58 | Madkiss | RichiH: err? |
| 15:52.58 | derobert | froomi: glad to hear that |
| 15:53.00 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: especially at work |
| 15:53.07 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 15:53.13 | Madkiss | RichiH: What the hell are you up to? |
| 15:53.17 | jharrisonwk | uh oh |
| 15:53.19 | RichiH | Madkiss: it's for a different channel. you should know which :) |
| 15:53.20 | fooz | supaman, linux decided it was more important to use all your memory for disk cache even though it had to swap a tiny bit out |
| 15:53.21 | jharrisonwk | oh nevermind |
| 15:53.26 | fooz | supaman, don't worry about it |
| 15:53.30 | suifur | supaman, most of what that memory is being used for is cache, its on demand, whenever you create a process (your program) it will automatically switch that cache to swap and use the RAM (NOT the swap) for your pgoram, don't worry abou tit |
| 15:53.32 | supaman | fooz: but the swapping takes time and that will affect my time measurements |
| 15:53.33 | TinoW | how does one best cross compiling a debian kernel? |
| 15:53.38 | fooz | supaman, so turn off swap |
| 15:53.41 | Madkiss | RichiH: You Pappnase! |
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| 15:53.51 | RichiH | Madkiss: indeed |
| 15:53.59 | fooz | supaman, but then your app will be slower if files it accesses aren't in the disk cache |
| 15:54.04 | fooz | heh |
| 15:54.15 | supaman | fleh ... :-) |
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| 15:54.25 | abrotman | hrm .. i think i decided not to log apache at all |
| 15:54.33 | suifur | supaman, what is it that needs to be so accurate that the time measurements are completely fubared if you have a _negligible_ amount of throwing ram cache to swap? |
| 15:54.50 | abrotman | bah .. logs aren't important |
| 15:54.56 | fooz | supaman, just run your test multiple times |
| 15:54.56 | Gathond | supaman the kernel will not swap memory that is actually being accessed, not if there is memory available, the stuff swaped out is stuff that have not been used for some time |
| 15:55.08 | fooz | supaman, if it's that important, reboot, run the test, reboot, run the test again, etc |
| 15:55.16 | supaman | suifur: Im comparing three different methods of annealing schedules ... not sure about the accuracy needed .. |
| 15:55.43 | lu | is there a specific channel for kernel noobs? |
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| 15:55.57 | fooz | supaman, you can also adjust the swappiness of recent kernels. don't ask how or what it does though, i don't know |
| 15:56.08 | neofeed | anyone willing to help me with inetd? |
| 15:56.26 | neofeed | I want to dump the data that comes in on 1337(tcp) into /tmp/test |
| 15:56.48 | neofeed | so I added: 1337 stream tcp nowait root /bin/netcat > /tmp/test |
| 15:56.49 | supaman | mmm .... Ill test this out like it is now ... thanks for the info |
| 15:56.58 | neofeed | to my inetd.conf |
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| 15:57.12 | suifur | supaman, im thinking that its going to be a negligible amount in the timings... don't worry about it, just run several tests and take the average |
| 15:57.14 | neofeed | but Now I get: inetd[xxxxx]: execv netcat: No such file or directory |
| 15:57.27 | fooz | neofeed, you need to read the inetd manual |
| 15:57.28 | Rawplayer | neofeed: which netcat type it on your console |
| 15:57.29 | supaman | suifur: yeh ... thats what I am thinking allso after this info .. |
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| 15:57.43 | fooz | neofeed, you're using it wrong |
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| 15:57.55 | neofeed | fooz, huh? could you help me a little? |
| 15:58.04 | lonewolff | hi there, sorry to jump straight in but, im want to do a net install of debian, using boot floppoes, what floppy images do i need for this? |
| 15:58.05 | neofeed | Rawplayer, if I use netcat on the console everything works fine |
| 15:58.12 | fooz | neofeed, first, it doesn't invoke a shell. it executes the program directly with execv |
| 15:58.19 | fooz | neofeed, so you can't use redirections (>) |
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| 15:58.38 | neofeed | fooz, so I have to write a wrapper script? |
| 15:58.39 | fooz | neofeed, you need to write a program that does what you want, instead, and run it from inetd |
| 15:58.52 | hitu | hey how do i install a .deb ? |
| 15:59.01 | FieldySnuts | @clue hitu |
| 15:59.04 | Phated | hitu: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 15:59.12 | FieldySnuts | hi Phated:) |
| 15:59.18 | hitu | o.O |
| 15:59.19 | hitu | thanks |
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| 15:59.29 | Phated | FieldySnuts! *huggle* |
| 15:59.41 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Got a Linux meetup tomorrow. I get to visit the Novell office. :) |
| 15:59.42 | neofeed | fooz, so how would I pipe the port? or would I have like: '#!/bin/bash\n A=`netcat -l -p 1337`\n echo $A > /tmp/test' ? |
| 15:59.44 | fooz | neofeed, second, execv takes minimum two arguments: the path to the program, then the arguments (the 0th argument is the name of the program) |
| 15:59.52 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hehe i'm a certified novell admin |
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| 16:00.00 | fooz | neofeed, you really shouldn't be running shells from inetd. write it in C or something |
| 16:00.13 | FieldySnuts | i like novell as a company, haven't touched the os in a long time |
| 16:00.19 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: Which version? |
| 16:00.23 | neofeed | fooz, what about using tcpd? |
| 16:00.25 | FieldySnuts | glad they're involved in linux |
| 16:00.26 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hehe. |
| 16:00.30 | FieldySnuts | 4 and 5, last ones i touched |
| 16:00.32 | fooz | neofeed, tcpd doesn't make any difference. |
| 16:00.43 | fooz | novell's good, they know what they're doing |
| 16:00.46 | neofeed | fooz, could I not let tcpd invoke netcat? |
| 16:00.57 | fooz | neofeed, if it makes you happy. |
| 16:01.08 | Borgon | fooz, what you trying to do? |
| 16:01.09 | FieldySnuts | they just don't seem as heartless and agressive and ego-centric as certain other software companies |
| 16:01.19 | neofeed | fooz, I tried something like 'while [ true ]; do netcat -l -p 1337 | gunzip > /tmp/test; done |
| 16:01.21 | fooz | Borgon, me? I'm trying to listen to music |
| 16:01.33 | fooz | and help neofeed |
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| 16:01.39 | neofeed | fooz, but that's not really what I want and it keeps stopping from time to time - dunno why? |
| 16:01.42 | fooz | neofeed, what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 16:02.02 | takatumi | !test |
| 16:02.02 | badgers | Yes, takatumi, you're still online. |
| 16:02.09 | neofeed | fooz, I got the server in school setup to push me it's IP every few minutes on a port. |
| 16:02.29 | fooz | neofeed, this is a really insecure way of doing things... |
| 16:02.31 | neofeed | fooz, now I need to listen on that port to get the message. And usually I'd listen on a port with netcat. |
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| 16:03.00 | neofeed | fooz, what's the problem with an IP send as a zip package over the net? |
| 16:03.05 | fooz | neofeed, write a program to be run from inetd (don't ask how, I don't do inetd) |
| 16:03.11 | doublehp | is thereba way under Linux to record/replay some mouse moves ? |
| 16:03.11 | pathway | I need a website upload interface. Something that tracks users and, if possible, allows "drafts" to be posted then approved by an administrator. Anything like this avalible? |
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| 16:03.50 | fooz | neofeed, then fix your inetd line to be daytime stream tcp nowait root <path to program> <program arguments starting from 0th> |
| 16:03.59 | fooz | err replace daytime with the port number |
| 16:04.12 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart inetd |
| 16:04.18 | lu | alright if you have the debian repository package source and you make-kpkg --initrd do you still have to configure the mkinitrd.conf? |
| 16:04.29 | fooz | neofeed, so those two options would be like.. /usr/local/sbin/my-dyndns-server.pl my-dns-server.pl |
| 16:04.37 | neofeed | fooz okay |
| 16:04.57 | greycat | neofeed: this would be trivial with DJB's "tcpserver". Just "nohup tcpserver 0 1337 /bin/cat myfile &", and you don't even need root. |
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| 16:05.12 | FieldySnuts | friends don't let friends use djb software |
| 16:05.18 | fooz | FieldySnuts, yeh |
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| 16:05.22 | fooz | greycat, it's non-free |
| 16:05.27 | Active2 | that's true |
| 16:05.31 | greycat | But my point stands. There's no Free way to do that without requiring root. |
| 16:05.41 | fooz | greycat, inetd can setuid to anything |
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| 16:05.50 | greycat | fooz: but you have to BE ROOT to edit /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 16:06.02 | fooz | greycat, pfft well |
| 16:06.03 | greycat | fooz: an end user with NO privileges can do the command I just gave, and voila! A service. |
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| 16:06.26 | fooz | greycat, an end user could write a daemon and have it start up from cron. |
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| 16:06.38 | fooz | or whatever |
| 16:06.42 | Grock | help with dhclient |
| 16:06.45 | greycat | fooz: yes, I suppose so. |
| 16:06.49 | greycat | !tell Grock about ask |
| 16:07.02 | FieldySnuts | @lart admins who allow normal users to start daemons / listening processes |
| 16:07.07 | fooz | greycat, he didn't ask. there was no ? |
| 16:07.15 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 16:07.18 | FieldySnuts | squirrels |
| 16:07.20 | fooz | greycat, he was advertising help with dhclient |
| 16:07.39 | fooz | hehe |
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| 16:07.50 | greycat | FieldySnuts: yeah, OH MY GOD!! You'd better uninstall netcat!! |
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| 16:07.54 | jetscreamer | hey does anybody know why kde seems to not show all installed programs, even in the "debian" portion of the menu? it hides some stuff... no i don't want to go to #debian-kde but thanks.... |
| 16:08.04 | greycat | We wouldn't want end users opening *SOCKETS*!?!??@@?!?!?@@$#$% |
| 16:08.09 | FieldySnuts | s/uninstall/change\ perms\ on/ |
| 16:08.18 | fooz | greycat, any of the linux security packages can stop users from listening on sockets |
| 16:08.28 | FieldySnuts | a good move |
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| 16:08.41 | Grock | <badgers>greycat wants you to know: If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one |
| 16:08.42 | Grock | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.42 | Grock | <Grock>oh so I have internet sharing turned on with my ibook to eth0 on my g3 tower |
| 16:08.42 | Grock | <badgers>You are moron #1 |
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| 16:08.46 | FieldySnuts | if you wanna be a... nice flood asshat |
| 16:08.53 | FieldySnuts | if you wanna be a jerk, you can deny client sockets too |
| 16:08.56 | fooz | heh |
| 16:09.15 | greycat | why not just NOT GIVE THEM A SHELL if you don't like them? |
| 16:09.20 | FieldySnuts | i don't :P |
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| 16:09.34 | doub | hi |
| 16:09.48 | Gh0sty | debian linux sarge + openssh: when i try to login with putty (windows client) and you type command longer then 30 chars it overwrites the same line instead of writing on the next line |
| 16:09.48 | markuman_ | i've some problems with FTP in the console. if i write "put index.html" it take it from the home/user/ folder. but if it in home/user/website| put /website/index.html doesn't work |
| 16:09.55 | takatumi | Grock: you've messed up my screen. |
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| 16:10.02 | faxo | do you guys know how to get back the root password ? |
| 16:10.03 | greycat | Gh0sty: you have a bash prompt with colors in it, and you didn't read the man page properly. |
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| 16:10.14 | greycat | faxo: /msg badgers I forgot root's password |
| 16:10.22 | faxo | loool |
| 16:10.30 | Berlinsturm^HoB- | hi all german support here |
| 16:10.31 | jetscreamer | faxo /msg apt i forgot root's password |
| 16:10.31 | greycat | I'm dead serious. |
| 16:10.35 | resiak | !de |
| 16:10.37 | markuman_ | #debian.de |
| 16:10.40 | takatumi | faxo: that wasn't a joke. |
| 16:10.42 | Berlinsturm^HoB- | k thx |
| 16:10.45 | fooz | looooooooooool |
| 16:10.54 | resiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.55 | sussudio | ~zoof |
| 16:10.56 | apt | no |
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| 16:10.59 | resiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.01 | resiak | Aww. |
| 16:11.05 | sussudio | ~yes |
| 16:11.06 | apt | You dont say! |
| 16:11.07 | greycat | too slow. |
| 16:11.09 | faxo | lmao lol |
| 16:11.18 | takatumi | resiak: sussudio zoofed you. |
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| 16:11.37 | faxo | oh shit yeah it was true . thanks grey =) again you show me the light |
| 16:11.37 | neofeed | fooz, if I'm execv'ing bash why does it still complain about execv netcat? |
| 16:11.38 | fooz | RFLOFLOLAO |
| 16:11.39 | resiak | takatumi: I'm sorry? |
| 16:11.57 | fooz | neofeed, i can't believe you'd just run a shell from inetd.. |
| 16:12.01 | fooz | neofeed, did you reload inetd? |
| 16:12.01 | greycat | neofeed: nohup tcpserver 0 1337 /bin/cat myfile & |
| 16:12.25 | neofeed | greycat, dun have tcpserver |
| 16:12.31 | neofeed | fooz, I just wanted to try if it works. |
| 16:12.42 | neofeed | fooz, and Yes I did reaload inetd |
| 16:13.01 | greycat | neofeed: or whatever the equivalent line is: something like sudo sh -c 'echo 1337 stream tcp nowait nobody /bin/cat cat /myfile' >> /etc/inetd.conf && pkill -HUP inetd |
| 16:13.02 | neofeed | but It seems to also complain inetd[11823]: 1337/tcp: bind: Address already in use |
| 16:13.14 | greycat | neofeed: but check inetd.conf(5) because I may have that wrong. |
| 16:13.20 | greycat | neofeed: well DUH. |
| 16:13.28 | greycat | if it's already in use you have to stop the thing that's using it. |
| 16:13.40 | neofeed | greycat, netstat is not showing anything |
| 16:13.43 | takatumi | greycat: too many cats |
| 16:13.43 | Spherical` | Debian site still down? |
| 16:13.48 | Spherical` | It's monday! :( |
| 16:13.51 | doub | neofeed: netstat -lpt maybe? |
| 16:14.00 | resiak | Spherical`: Barely, in .us |
| 16:14.12 | Spherical` | resiak, I'm in UK. |
| 16:14.14 | fooz | takatumi, no |
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| 16:14.25 | resiak | Spherical`: So am I. But where do you think that the servers are? |
| 16:14.38 | takatumi | fooz: when you count grey*cat* as well, yes :P |
| 16:14.40 | Spherical` | US and I see that you're refering to the time difference :) |
| 16:14.47 | fooz | takatumi, bah |
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| 16:15.19 | Spherical` | Correct? Brownie points please. |
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| 16:16.07 | doub | Spherical`: there's a message on debian-devel-announce that says servers should be back at sunday midnight MST. i don't know which timezone is mst, but i bet it's already passed |
| 16:16.21 | resiak | Hmm. |
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| 16:16.47 | fooz | doub, Moon Standard Time |
| 16:16.52 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:17.00 | FieldySnuts | Moron Standard Time |
| 16:17.03 | azreal | doub: Mars Standard Time |
| 16:17.08 | FieldySnuts | nice |
| 16:17.10 | abrotman | @xsf |
| 16:17.11 | ravenbird | hmm... xsf is the X Strike Force, home of Debian's XFree86 packages, at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |
| 16:17.13 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 16:17.21 | Spherical` | Yes -7 |
| 16:17.30 | fooz | or maybe Mars Substandard Time |
| 16:17.35 | real_ | hi i want to apt-get install mysql-server but i get auto this msg The following NEW packages will be installed: exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light mailx mysql-server.... how can i install only mysql-server and not the others?? |
| 16:18.02 | greycat | Mad Sex Time |
| 16:18.55 | FieldySnuts | better yet, working floppies |
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| 16:19.12 | aXp | hi all! |
| 16:19.23 | fooz | better yet, working 3.5" 1.44M floppies |
| 16:19.35 | doub | real_: that sounds like a previously aborted operation, like trying to remove exim |
| 16:19.59 | fooz | AOL bought all of the best floppies the world produced |
| 16:20.06 | fooz | so when WW3 happens we'll still be able to get online |
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| 16:20.08 | azreal | i remember a time whn a 1.44 floppy was nearly indestructable, now they disposable "one use" pieces of shit |
| 16:20.09 | fooz | how thoughtful of them |
| 16:20.18 | greycat | "Debian GNU/Linux ``slink'' (2.1) rescue disk" "Free DOS 16-May-1998" "PC-DOS 5.00" "new svr1 boot disk" "Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 Rescue floppy" "Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 Root floppy" |
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| 16:20.49 | aXp | i installed torsmo and if i try to execute it i get the following error:Floating point exception iam running an AMD64 but with an x86 kernelany ideas or hints? |
| 16:20.54 | adf | i want to start a couple of daemons at bootup, what file do i put the startup lines in? |
| 16:21.19 | greycat | adf: read /etc/init.d/README and our FAQ |
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| 16:21.52 | panda | how could i customize gdm to add or remove a desktop in gdm's login menu? |
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| 16:21.59 | mne | adf: that's all in /etc/init.d/, you have to create a link from there to the runlevel you want the stuff to start in (like /etc/rc2.d) |
| 16:22.10 | jetscreamer | panda, see ~/.dmrc |
| 16:22.17 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 16:22.28 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's not a global file |
| 16:22.49 | jksdhf | i have a question: i've just installed debian but i cant change my screen resolution to 1024*768, only 800*600 and lower is possible |
| 16:22.56 | jetscreamer | good point |
| 16:23.05 | mne | does anyone of you know some easy (thus fast to set up) video webcast daemon for linux ? I've a webcam here and want to stream the party that's going on here to some friends |
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| 16:23.27 | panda | jetscreamer, no such file, i mean gdm, should be under /etc/gdm/ |
| 16:23.35 | resiak | jksdhf: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:24.18 | jetscreamer | panda, try in #gnome, i was wrong |
| 16:24.28 | jksdhf | thanks resiak and can i type it also in my cosole from gnome? |
| 16:24.39 | adf | thanks greycat , mne |
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| 16:24.48 | jetscreamer | jksdhf, as root do that |
| 16:24.56 | jetscreamer | xterm ok |
| 16:25.29 | jetscreamer | and you would have to restart x/gnome/gdm |
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| 16:25.57 | jksdhf | okay i try now, thanks for help |
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| 16:27.00 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.38 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 16:28.49 | FieldySnuts | hei |
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| 16:28.56 | elephantman | I have this message freezing my whole system => Jan 31 16:11:53 fireball kernel: LIST_DELETE: ip_conntrack_core.c:302 `&ct->tuplehash[IP_CT_DIR_REPLY]'(d10c2964) not in &ip_conntrac k_hash[hr]. |
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| 16:29.15 | FieldySnuts | what kernel? (uname -r) |
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| 16:29.29 | elephantman | It happen when i put a "-nat" rule in iptable - WHY ? |
| 16:29.41 | streuner | takatumi: http://weda.mine.nu/debian-current.png |
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| 16:30.28 | lu | jetscreamer, yesterday you gave me some leads on kernel configuration would you mind helping out again? |
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| 16:31.09 | takatumi | streuner: neat. |
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| 16:31.54 | jetscreamer | lu just ask, somebody may help |
| 16:32.16 | takatumi | streuner: that should be mapped to geography :) |
| 16:32.23 | JediMaster | how can you automatically answer questions for the installation of a package that hasn't been installed before? (basically writing a debian package installer that needs to install various other packages and answer the debconf questions) |
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| 16:33.34 | lu | if i've installed the debian repository source for a kernel, and want to use make-kpkg --initrd do i need to configure mkinitrd.conf |
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| 16:34.00 | lu | every howto i've read talks about a needed patch |
| 16:34.11 | lu | i have initrd-tools installed also? |
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| 16:34.45 | EduardoJr | i created a vpn with ipsec + racoon but i cant authentify clients to it because i dont know how to create certificates... how do i do it? |
| 16:34.58 | usn | usn, arriving |
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| 16:35.37 | JediMaster | lu: I think make-kpkg will call mkinitrd with the relevant paths etc so you probably won't need to change it |
| 16:35.47 | lu | this site seems to the most informative but i'm lost on a few points, for kernel compilation http://www.edseek.com/archives/2004/03/22/creating-an-initrd-image-on-debian-gnulinux/ |
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| 16:36.32 | Pego | hi |
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| 16:36.50 | Pego | i have APIC error on CPU0: 02(02) soooooo much time ! |
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| 16:37.13 | lu | after you do the incantation make-kpkg --initrd, it says something to the effect that you may not have your mkinirtd.conf configured appropriately |
| 16:37.25 | lu | this is the 2.6 kernel |
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| 16:38.50 | lu | is anyone familiar with the warning prompt with make-kpkg --initrd? |
| 16:38.54 | takatumi | lu: have you changed anything in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf? |
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| 16:39.08 | lu | my kernel is compiling now so i'll find out in 45min if it means anything |
| 16:39.16 | lu | i didn't change anything |
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| 16:39.22 | lu | in the mkinitrd.conf |
| 16:39.42 | aXp | if i try to compile a kernel with make-kpkg --revision=<n> kernel_image it doesn't compile all the alsa stuff. after compiling it by hand it worked! is there any alsa related thing for make-kpkg? |
| 16:39.50 | BBearr | What kernel does sarge use? |
| 16:39.52 | Pego | no idée about APIC error on CPU0: 02(02) ? |
| 16:40.04 | pepperpot | When I start my system, fsck can't find /dev/hde. After I press CTRL-D to ignore, and wait for the system to load up, I can mount /dev/hde1 etc. This is after I installed udev. How do I ensure that /dev/hdb /dev/hdc /dev/hde exist at the run-level where fsck takes place? Why does /dev/hda exist at that stage but not the other devices? I don't think I understand udev. |
| 16:40.05 | takatumi | lu: I don't remember seeing that warning nor have I changed anything in mkinitrd.conf, did build an initrd once, worked without problems. |
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| 16:40.23 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge udev |
| 16:40.45 | jetscreamer | oh but that removes gnome or something too i think |
| 16:40.50 | fooz | haha |
| 16:40.57 | pepperpot | jetscreamer: so udev is no good? I should avoid rather than try to understand? |
| 16:41.20 | takatumi | udev will take hal and gnome-volume-manager as well, iirc. |
| 16:41.23 | lu | a howto for alsa and make-kpkg debian kernel http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 16:41.39 | fooz | udev should start just after mounting /proc, before any fsck is run |
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| 16:41.56 | fooz | however by then it might not have populated /dev fully |
| 16:42.00 | pepperpot | fooz: so I should configure udev to create /dev/hd* ? |
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| 16:42.18 | fooz | pepperpot, it should on its own. is /dev/hde a normal IDE drive? |
| 16:42.27 | fooz | pepperpot, is it controlled by a module or something? |
| 16:42.29 | pepperpot | fooz: it's on a promise pci controller |
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| 16:42.36 | pepperpot | fooz: i don't think it's compiled as a module |
| 16:42.43 | pepperpot | fooz: i'll check my kernel config |
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| 16:43.03 | pepperpot | fooz: what if it is? Can I fix it in my /etc/modules? |
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| 16:43.30 | jetscreamer | pepperpot, ymmv... |
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| 16:43.53 | fooz | pepperpot, i'm not sure if /etc/modules is done before or after udev |
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| 16:44.14 | pepperpot | is udev evil? I don't really need it. I don't use gnome or gnome volume manager. |
| 16:44.41 | fooz | ok, it runs after |
| 16:44.51 | fooz | pepperpot, i like udev, but it's not well integrated into debian |
| 16:44.53 | fooz | imo |
| 16:45.06 | pepperpot | fooz: maybe i should recompile my kernel. I had promise as a module. |
| 16:45.16 | fooz | well.. hrm |
| 16:45.24 | fooz | pepperpot, kernel 2.6 right? |
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| 16:45.37 | pepperpot | fooz: they're not my main drives, but I do like them automatically mounted at start up |
| 16:45.41 | fooz | pepperpot, modules is run after udev, but before fsck |
| 16:46.02 | pepperpot | so i should not have promise ata as a module, then? |
| 16:46.08 | veleno | how to remove a process in zombie state ? |
| 16:46.18 | fooz | pepperpot, you might have to configure module-init-tools to alias the hde whatever devices to load the module |
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| 16:46.28 | fooz | pepperpot, well, I wouldn't, but it shouldn't matter |
| 16:46.29 | pepperpot | or can i just put in a insmod pdc202xx_new.ko |
| 16:46.38 | fooz | pepperpot, no. you should never use insmod |
| 16:46.56 | pepperpot | fooz: modprobe? |
| 16:47.10 | fooz | yeah, but, try configuring module-init-tools properly first |
| 16:47.12 | jetscreamer | insmod isn't good enough, it only does one.... modprobe does what they need |
| 16:47.15 | jetscreamer | >1 |
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| 16:47.31 | doub | veleno: you can kill the father. but that's quite useless, as a zombie is just a dead process, waiting for the father to take care of it. it does not use much ressources |
| 16:47.39 | pepperpot | fooz: dpkg-reconfigure module-init-tools? |
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| 16:48.02 | paulswm | veleno: a zombie really isn't a process, it's completed but just taking up an entry in the process table until its parent does a 'wait' for it |
| 16:48.07 | paulswm | hah |
| 16:48.30 | fooz | pepperpot, no |
| 16:48.33 | Myren | are there any good web crawler/spiders in debian? |
| 16:48.48 | fooz | pepperpot, make a file in /etc/modprobe.d named whatever you want |
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| 16:49.07 | pepperpot | fooz: ok, gotcha |
| 16:49.13 | toresbe | Are there rom-o-matic diskettes for PCMCIA crap^Wnetwork cards |
| 16:49.15 | pepperpot | fooz: like i did with alsa |
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| 16:49.35 | fooz | pepperpot, and add a line.. like alias /dev/hde your_promise_card_module_name |
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| 16:50.08 | fooz | pepperpot, alternatively.. can you run ls -l /dev/hde and tell me what it says? |
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| 16:50.11 | pepperpot | fooz: and this stuff will happen before fsck? |
| 16:50.24 | pepperpot | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 33, 0 Jan 31 11:14 /dev/hde |
| 16:50.30 | doub | Myren: wget maybe |
| 16:50.36 | Myren | ugggggg |
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| 16:50.57 | fooz | pepperpot, also throw in an alias block-major-33 promise_module_name |
| 16:51.18 | fooz | pepperpot, yeah, it should |
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| 16:51.45 | pepperpot | fooz: okay. Now do I need to do update-modules? |
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| 16:52.01 | doub | pepperpot: actually, it's used when the kernel tries to find /dev/hde, which will load the module |
| 16:52.16 | pepperpot | cool. |
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| 16:52.23 | pepperpot | I'll reboot soon and try it out |
| 16:52.31 | pepperpot | thanks |
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| 16:54.32 | pepperpot | anyone find firefox to freeze a lot in unstable these days? |
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| 16:54.37 | xelam | is there something like "apt-get repair" to reinstall a package when it's been broken? |
| 16:54.45 | PerfDave | pepperpot: WElcome to unstable ;) |
| 16:54.45 | BBearr | Can someone tell me how to properly configure my bootloader to boot directly from the hard drive? |
| 16:54.53 | PerfDave | xelam: apt-get --reinstall install |
| 16:54.53 | doub | xelam: apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
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| 16:55.12 | xelam | thanks |
| 16:55.12 | pepperpot | PerfDave: I was going to write "Anyone find firefox unstable in unstable"? ;) |
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| 16:56.07 | real_ | how can i ignore deps in debian? apt-get --ignore-deps install program ?? |
| 16:56.15 | real_ | E: Command line option --ignore-deps is not understood |
| 16:56.24 | doub | real_: why would you like to do so? |
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| 16:56.46 | real_ | install mysql-server and not the deps of mysql-server |
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| 16:56.59 | real_ | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 16:56.59 | real_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.01 | xelam | hmm, the reinstall thing didnt work |
| 16:57.02 | greycat | real_: you DON'T. |
| 16:57.03 | greycat | duh. |
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| 16:57.06 | real_ | only mysql-server |
| 16:57.10 | greycat | idiot. |
| 16:57.20 | Gathond | real_: considered there is a reason for the dependencies? |
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| 16:57.23 | xelam | (I deleted apache2.conf by mistake) |
| 16:57.46 | greycat | real_: install an MTA. You NEED one. This is Unix, not Wintendo. |
| 16:57.51 | real_ | Gathond: then how can i do it and only install mysql-server and ignore the others install like exim, mailx, etc |
| 16:58.01 | BBearr | I can't get my bootloader properly configured to boot directly from the hard drive... suggestions please? |
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| 16:58.25 | Gathond | real_: you dont, because mysql needs them |
| 16:58.27 | real_ | greycat: im going to install qmail+vpopmail but first i want mysql-server to create a db |
| 16:58.40 | alexscott | plop |
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| 16:59.07 | greycat | !FAQ real_ |
| 16:59.08 | PerfDave | real_: You need to have an MTA installed. |
| 16:59.08 | badgers | real_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:59.37 | edon | I have a package that was installed early (from sarge), now I want to change it with the sid's one, but removing the package removes lots of things, any other way to do it? |
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| 16:59.48 | PerfDave | edon: What package? |
| 16:59.49 | abrotman | which package? |
| 16:59.53 | valdyn_ | real_: apt-get install qmail-src - patch it or whatever, compile it, install it, THEN you can install mysql-server just fine |
| 17:00.13 | lonewolff | i wonder if anyone can help, im trying to do a net install from floppy and when im trying to install the kernel and drivers, the installing Rescue Floppy stage fails |
| 17:00.13 | edon | PerfDave, libpango for example |
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| 17:00.23 | PerfDave | !wayttd edon |
| 17:00.24 | greycat | valdyn_: or he could read the very clear instructions in the FAQ |
| 17:00.24 | badgers | What Are You Trying To Do, edon? |
| 17:00.27 | xelam | ffs |
| 17:00.34 | PerfDave | !tell edon about sid faq |
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| 17:00.46 | takatumi | BBearr: grub? |
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| 17:00.56 | xelam | if i reinstall apache2/apache2-common, why does it miss out apache2.conf? |
| 17:01.02 | edon | thanks |
| 17:01.08 | MattF | what's the simplest method of ripping a CD to mp3 in Debian? |
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| 17:01.31 | TinoW | MattF: grip or drag-and-drop with KDE |
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| 17:01.40 | hdkiller | how can i get the PID or TITLE or an ID of the actualy FOCUSED window in X-Window System? |
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| 17:02.02 | abrotman | edon: libpango is a core package for gnome .. why are you trying to rmeove it? |
| 17:02.05 | PerfDave | MattF: abcde is simple. But installing an mp3 encoder is tricky, just use ogg. |
| 17:02.09 | TinoW | hdkiller: man xkill, man xwininfo |
| 17:02.23 | jjhgasd | i have a quetstion with firefox, i want to install firefox, but there is only a version for i686, but i have i386.. how can i make firefox working? |
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| 17:02.42 | hdkiller | TinoW: that's need user interaction! |
| 17:02.45 | asuffield | hdkiller: focus is a window manager thing, that's up to your window manager. X doesn't actually have one in the sense you mean |
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| 17:03.01 | hdkiller | Tinow: i want to use it in a keychain w openbox (in a shellscript_ |
| 17:03.13 | Sandman | Is there a way for less to support console colors? Supposedly less -r or -R works, but neither one actually works here.. |
| 17:03.23 | hdkiller | asuffield, That's right. my question was dumb.. |
| 17:03.24 | _cds | whenever I try to boot up my laptop it comes up with just LI -- anyone know hwo to fix it? |
| 17:03.24 | edon | PerfDave, I actually don't find the faq useful |
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| 17:03.33 | _cds | keep in mind i'm clueless with debian :) |
| 17:03.43 | Indal | what would the iptable rule be to accept everything for port 80 for either eth0:1 or for any http request to 1.2.3.4 for example? i tried iptable -A INPUT -i eth0:1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
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| 17:03.46 | asuffield | hdkiller: so if this is possible at all, it'll be a feature of your window manager. and it might not be possible |
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| 17:04.05 | asuffield | depends whether there's any way to extract information from it |
| 17:04.07 | PerfDave | edon: The FAQ should tell you that you probably shouldn't be running sid if you can't handle simple package problems. |
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| 17:04.32 | BBearr | My bootloader is lilo |
| 17:04.39 | jan_ | Hi, is there a setuid program available that I can use to AUTH to PAM ? some program that return true/false will be fine ;) |
| 17:04.39 | edon | PerfDave, or learn to handle -- where? |
| 17:04.40 | asuffield | (there's no rule which says a window manager has to implement a focus at all; the only thing actually required is to decide where input devices will send their events) |
| 17:04.44 | MattF | PerfDave: I want it to go on my iPod |
| 17:04.53 | hdkiller | hm |
| 17:04.55 | _cds | anyone know how to fix LILO? |
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| 17:05.12 | MattF | /sbin/lilo ? |
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| 17:05.27 | PerfDave | edon: The APT HOWTO? The Debian Manual? |
| 17:05.28 | _cds | MattF: How do I get to it? |
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| 17:05.41 | _cds | can't boot up at all |
| 17:05.42 | PerfDave | MattF: Then it's your own stupid fault for buying a crappy player ;) |
| 17:05.49 | MattF | :( |
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| 17:05.50 | hdkiller | asuffield, hm |
| 17:06.08 | MattF | _cds, just open a console and do /sbin/lilo |
| 17:06.13 | hdkiller | then i have to get that information from openbox (the wm) instead of X? |
| 17:06.15 | MattF | and it will try and reinstall lilo |
| 17:06.18 | Pythos | something wrong with debian site today? packages search/listing wont display |
| 17:06.25 | _cds | MattF: My laptop won't boot up.. the screen just comes up "LI" |
| 17:06.39 | Pythos | _cds needs a boot floppie |
| 17:06.44 | PerfDave | !topicsmite Pythos |
| 17:06.48 | supaman | _cds: there must be some pages that describe what can be wrong on the internet, do a simple search there, and when you found some boot the laptop with a rescue disk and from that one fix the lilo.conf file and run lilo to install it correctly ... |
| 17:06.51 | asuffield | hdkiller: probably, assuming that it implements something useful to you |
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| 17:06.55 | MattF | oh... |
| 17:06.57 | MattF | that's not so good |
| 17:07.01 | Pythos | _cds is missing a kernel image that lilo is looking for |
| 17:07.02 | hdkiller | asuffield, and what about tools like wmctrl? |
| 17:07.12 | hdkiller | asuffield, they can set focus on a common way.. |
| 17:07.17 | Pythos | !topicsmite |
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| 17:07.52 | Pythos | perfdave, not sure I understand |
| 17:08.02 | Sandman | Is it generally a good idea to enable unicode support in programs that support it? |
| 17:08.05 | asuffield | hdkiller: there's a few shared sets of features that a whole bunch of window managers implement. that one is "EWMH/NetWM compatible"; there's also "gnome" and a couple others |
| 17:08.12 | MattF | is the dpkg bot offline? |
| 17:08.20 | doub | Pythos: /topic is your friend |
| 17:08.22 | Kerr | hey.. just installed the nvidia drivers for my card, and when i rebooted and the kdm logon screen came up, it was messed. nvida popup, that wouldn't go away, with the text 'welcome to linux at debian' over it, as well as username and password. no buttons or anything else though. Does anyone know what went wrong? |
| 17:08.27 | hdkiller | asuffield, ic |
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| 17:09.07 | rafx | anyone know the REASON for packages.d.o being down? site-redesign? hardware-upgrade? just curios... |
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| 17:09.23 | sussudio | !bear rafx |
| 17:09.26 | PerfDave | Pythos: read the /topic |
| 17:09.27 | MattF | it's a server move I think |
| 17:09.30 | rafx | heh |
| 17:09.33 | MattF | I saw a note on the site the other day |
| 17:09.37 | Gathond | rafx: scheduled power outage at the facility (scheduled for friday to sunday :)) |
| 17:09.41 | asuffield | no, the power supply to the building is being worked on |
| 17:09.43 | hdkiller | asuffield, thank your help, i think i'll going to get that information from openbox.. |
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| 17:09.49 | hdkiller | thank you showing a point! |
| 17:09.59 | Gathond | rafx: as for why it is still down, no idae |
| 17:10.05 | jjhgasd | someone has firefox working on i386 debian???? |
| 17:10.12 | rafx | thanks |
| 17:10.17 | doub | rafx: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00013.html |
| 17:10.21 | BBearr | I've run lilo, and looked at the lilo.conf, and don't see anything wrong, but when I try to boot from the hard drive, instead of the "boot:" prompt, I get "MBR" followed by 01 01 01 01 01 01 page after page after page |
| 17:10.23 | _cds | "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:01" |
| 17:10.27 | _cds | anyone? |
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| 17:10.30 | sussudio | !anyone |
| 17:10.30 | badgers | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 17:10.38 | Kerr | jjhgasd: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 17:10.45 | PerfDave | jjhgasd: Lots of people |
| 17:10.49 | Pythos | PerfDave: Ahh, down for the weekend, I see now |
| 17:11.09 | lu | _cds |
| 17:11.13 | lu | i have the same prob |
| 17:11.26 | lu | how did you make your kernel and are you using lilo or grub |
| 17:11.29 | asuffield | they don't work any more |
| 17:11.37 | Kerr | BBearr: I had a similar problem once. had SMART mode enabled for my hdd. turned it off, all was fine. |
| 17:11.39 | greycat | asuffield: doesn't matter; they already did what they needed to. |
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| 17:11.41 | _cds | lu: lilo - and I dunno, a mate installed it |
| 17:11.42 | Pythos | _cds you need to know which partition you have your system on |
| 17:11.44 | greycat | I'm already on the network |
| 17:11.48 | ricky_clarkson | !eminem |
| 17:11.50 | _cds | pythos: I've no idea :`-( |
| 17:11.57 | xelam | what does this mean: |
| 17:11.58 | xelam | Setting up apache2-mpm-prefork (2.0.52-3) ... |
| 17:11.58 | xelam | This module does not exist! |
| 17:11.59 | xelam | ? |
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| 17:12.06 | Pythos | _cds Ok, well, you have a floppy drive by chance? |
| 17:12.07 | asuffield | greycat: get PXE-capable network cards in future :P |
| 17:12.07 | xelam | ffs. |
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| 17:12.12 | greycat | besides, I'd have to rewrite the root floppy if I were going to repeat this exercise, since I reused that one for net-drivers |
| 17:12.14 | _cds | pythos: yeah |
| 17:12.15 | xelam | what does this mean: |
| 17:12.19 | xelam | Setting up apache2-mpm-prefork (2.0.52-3) ... |
| 17:12.24 | xelam | This module does not exist! |
| 17:12.25 | xelam | ? |
| 17:12.26 | greycat | asuffield: I have no CHOICE in the hardware that's handed to me. I just have to make it run Linux. |
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| 17:12.35 | BBearr | Thanks, I'll disable SMART and try again. |
| 17:12.38 | lu | hmm, and how did you install your kernel? |
| 17:12.44 | Pythos | _cds Ok, good, you got a boot floppy by chance? Like one from the old bootfloppies called rescue? |
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| 17:12.52 | greycat | asuffield: this particular laptop has a CD-ROM but it doesn't seem to work properly; linux boots, but it cannot mount the CD (throws errors in dmesg) |
| 17:13.07 | _cds | pythos: I have a boot floppy I once made, for debian, that brought up that error message |
| 17:13.22 | ProfesZor | Hi all. I have installed Debian-30r4 and am experiencing trouble with trying to get the graphics card to work. Can someone help please? |
| 17:13.29 | greycat | what card? |
| 17:13.30 | asuffield | greycat: common enough, the things they put in laptops these days are horribly unreliable |
| 17:13.30 | thegraham | I have a problem getting my ipw2200 based wireless card to work - when I run the make command on the software (http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net) i get an error about /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686/build: No such file or directory (make -C /lib...) where is the directory I need - looks like this is designed to work with fc |
| 17:13.36 | zzyber | is there a way to get smooth mouse scrolling? |
| 17:13.54 | Pythos | _cds Ok, well you have access, so you must be able to get a new rescue image from the net. Get it and write the image to a floppy, get the rescue one |
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| 17:15.02 | _cds | pythos: where from? |
| 17:15.11 | MattF | TinoW: Grip is illeet, cheers! |
| 17:15.31 | TheArtist | on a fresh install of sarge, where is your kernel config? |
| 17:15.32 | tatoo | i can't load debian that i just installed on a notebook. "01" characters is showing me up when i try to boot without the cdrom rescue resource. can somebody help me to fix it? |
| 17:15.34 | Pythos | _cds um, any archive with debian stuff on it, I guess |
| 17:15.41 | _cds | pythos: that doesn't help.... |
| 17:16.10 | lu | the config is in the /boot |
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| 17:16.29 | TheArtist | lu, called what? |
| 17:16.36 | lu | it'll be labeled someting like .config-2.x.x-foo |
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| 17:17.27 | Pythos | _cds Heh, that is funny |
| 17:18.32 | MrKeuner | hi, here is my problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg03923.html Any help is appreciated. |
| 17:18.42 | ProfesZor | Hi all. I have installed Debian-30r4 and am experiencing trouble with trying to get the graphics card to work. Can someone help please? |
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| 17:18.54 | supaman | ProfesZor: which card? |
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| 17:20.05 | ProfesZor | supaman: Matrox G200 AGP (G2+) 8Mb |
| 17:20.05 | PerfDave | ProfesZor: /msg badgers troubleshooting x |
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| 17:20.48 | nvzn | hi, my fstab gets read before it finds my usb drives, so they dont get mounted with the rest of the system (the usb drive is the next message after fstab gets through so its just one process too late) |
| 17:20.51 | ProfesZor | Debian has fired up xf86cfg and accessx but I can't get the thing running even when I select the right card |
| 17:21.12 | nvzn | what too do about this? |
| 17:21.16 | greycat | I seriously doubt Debian "fired up" xf86cfg |
| 17:21.26 | bizkit | hi, i'm using openbox with bbkeys for key shortcuts, e.g. i have ctrl+a for an aterm. now the problem is in screen sessions i want to enter another mode with ctrl+a, but hey, i just open a new aterm with ctrl+a ;). so is there a way to let the actual term (aterm, xterm?) grab for example the ctrl key so that no other app (bbkeys) can react on the keypress? or any other idea? |
| 17:21.27 | nvzn | other than putting lines in rc2.d that is |
| 17:21.34 | ProfesZor | greycat: It asked me If I want to fix it so I said yes |
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| 17:21.42 | jetscreamer | nvzn load the modules via /etc/modules instead of having discover or hotplug do it (maybe) |
| 17:22.00 | nvzn | its not modules, they're built in to kernel |
| 17:22.02 | greycat | ProfesZor: /msg dpkg set up x /msg dpkg woody->sarge /msg dpkg sarge /msg dpkg testing |
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| 17:22.21 | greycat | oops. not dpkg. |
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| 17:22.33 | nvzn | jetscreamer: its not modules, they're built into kernel (usb-storage) |
| 17:22.41 | ProfesZor | aggghh! Frozen again! |
| 17:22.41 | greycat | ProfesZor: /msg badgers set up x /msg badgers woody->sarge /msg badgers sarge /msg badgers testing /msg badgers d-i etc. etc. etc. |
| 17:22.54 | greycat | installing X on a woody box is just *pointless*. |
| 17:23.06 | jetscreamer | nvzn, mount -a in a startup script somewhere |
| 17:23.11 | greycat | either you're setting up a server, or a desktop box. if it's a server, you don't want X. if it's a desktop box, you're better off in sarge. |
| 17:23.13 | takatumi | bizkit: why don't you just leave ctrl-a for screen |
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| 17:23.48 | nvzn | jetscreamer: mount -a? |
| 17:24.07 | nvzn | jetscreamer: i'll man mount... |
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| 17:24.13 | bizkit | takatumi: i could do that sure, but it's not only this bind.. e.g. for centericq there a lot of other binds that i've already bound with bbkeys |
| 17:24.17 | jetscreamer | nvzn that should mount anything not mounted that is in fstab |
| 17:24.23 | jetscreamer | that has auto |
| 17:24.35 | nvzn | jetscreamer: cool |
| 17:24.36 | saerdna | is there any way to see the ./configure flags a .deb package was compiled with? |
| 17:24.48 | bizkit | takatumi: so it would be nice to simply get rid of bbkeys grabbing keys while my term is focused |
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| 17:25.12 | _cds | whats the mount image called? |
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| 17:25.20 | greycat | saerdna: get the source, read the debian/rules file in .diff.gz |
| 17:25.24 | tatoo | problem with lilo: i found out a win partition at /dev/hda1 and debian was installed at /dev/hda3. my lilo.conf has the following entries: "other=/dev/hda1; label="win" // other=/dev/hda3; label="linux". the followin error is showing me up: "invalid partition table, 3rd entry". how can i fix it?? |
| 17:25.32 | lu | now for to see if make-kpkg --initrd works with out configuring mkinitrd.conf |
| 17:25.36 | nvzn | jetscreamer: perfect thanks |
| 17:25.37 | saerdna | greycat: get the source? |
| 17:25.41 | jetscreamer | mount image? |
| 17:25.46 | greycat | saerdna: or at least the .diff.gz file |
| 17:25.48 | saerdna | greycat: the original source? |
| 17:25.59 | bizkit | saerdna: apt-get source package |
| 17:26.00 | greycat | the DEBIAN source, of cousre. |
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| 17:26.03 | saerdna | thanks |
| 17:26.09 | setuid | justin: heh |
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| 17:26.17 | jetscreamer | tatoo, you get that error when you run lilo, or on boot, or what |
| 17:26.36 | tatoo | jetscreamer: running lilo |
| 17:26.39 | setuid | oops |
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| 17:26.47 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 17:26.56 | jetscreamer | tatoo, it's not other=, for linux |
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| 17:27.12 | jetscreamer | unless you're doing something kinky |
| 17:27.13 | Kerr | What is the next testing going to be called, and when sarge becomes stable, what implications will sticking with testing have? WIll things be more likley to screw up at the shallow end of the release cycle, or will it just mean newer packages? |
| 17:27.23 | takatumi | bizkit: try ion :) |
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| 17:27.24 | greycat | !etch |
| 17:27.25 | badgers | rumour has it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 17:27.29 | jetscreamer | etch |
| 17:27.43 | tatoo | jetscreamer: may i erase this line so? |
| 17:27.53 | jetscreamer | tatoo, not erase, amend |
| 17:28.04 | jetscreamer | tatoo, also, know thy initrd |
| 17:28.25 | jetscreamer | tatoo, man lilo.conf for an example of what it should look like |
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| 17:29.30 | jetscreamer | tatoo, also, debian puts symlinks in / that point to /boot, and reference the symlinks in lilo.conf instead of directly referencing /boot/blah |
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| 17:29.32 | bactis|r0xx | can i get mldonkey via apt-get? |
| 17:29.40 | jetscreamer | bactis|r0xx, yes |
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| 17:29.52 | bactis|r0xx | ah ok, thanks |
| 17:29.55 | supaman | who was etch in Toy Story? |
| 17:29.56 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search mldonkey |
| 17:29.59 | jetscreamer | then install |
| 17:30.10 | bizkit | bactis|r0xx: apt-get can even get you a cow doing moo :P |
| 17:30.11 | Rawplayer | how can i avoid that linux go's into black screen mode? |
| 17:30.14 | jetscreamer | bactis|r0xx, see also giFT |
| 17:30.26 | tatoo | jetscreamer: i've read it....i just comment the line and ran lilo. it seems that is ok cuz no errors was shown at this time. |
| 17:30.28 | jetscreamer | black screen mode? |
| 17:30.29 | FieldySnuts | @lart giFT |
| 17:30.41 | takatumi | Rawplayer: ATI? |
| 17:30.44 | Kerr | etch was the etch-a-sketch ? |
| 17:30.45 | tatoo | jetscreamer: the "default" line was set for linux. |
| 17:30.47 | jetscreamer | tatoo, you need something that points to linux though |
| 17:30.53 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
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| 17:31.02 | supaman | Rawplayer: you mean at the startup you want a graphical login? |
| 17:31.14 | jetscreamer | tatoo, know thy initrd also |
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| 17:31.32 | Rawplayer | no |
| 17:31.47 | Rawplayer | after x minutes you get a black screen |
| 17:31.49 | Rawplayer | in console |
| 17:31.50 | jetscreamer | Rawplayer, vga=normal maybe then |
| 17:31.59 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 17:32.02 | jetscreamer | screen blanking |
| 17:32.05 | supaman | ach soo |
| 17:32.17 | tatoo | jetscreamer: sorry...what is suppose to do into /initrd? a symlink? |
| 17:32.21 | jethro | sup jet<tab> mate? |
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| 17:32.35 | ProfesZor | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.40 | Rawplayer | yes screen blanking |
| 17:32.47 | Rawplayer | how can i disable that? |
| 17:32.54 | supaman | dunno |
| 17:33.13 | petemc | Rawplayer: man setterm |
| 17:33.33 | jetscreamer | tatoo, which kernel is this, was this a woody install to start with, yes in lilo.conf there needs to be an initrd= line under the vmlinuz one, if that kernel uses initrd, which any 2.4 kernel does i think (stock debian kernel) |
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| 17:34.19 | jetscreamer | Rawplayer, till you figger it out, toggling the numlock key is the safest way to unblank it |
| 17:34.21 | darg | Anybody know the program gbgraph2 - Im having a perl problem when i run it... - Can't locate RRDs.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /etc/gbgraph2/gbgraph2.pl line 106. |
| 17:34.21 | darg | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /etc/gbgraph2/gbgraph2.pl line 106. |
| 17:34.23 | bizkit | Rawplayer: edit /etc/console-tools/config and set drivers/char/console.c) |
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| 17:34.35 | bizkit | args. set BLANK_TIME=0 |
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| 17:34.38 | BBearr | I can boot directly from the hard drive now!!! Disabling SMART was the key - Thanks |
| 17:34.39 | sussudio | darg: changing your nicks over and over again won't help. i know you're vaqwebby52 |
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| 17:35.14 | jetscreamer | sussudio holmes eh |
| 17:35.20 | supaman | so setterm -blank 0 turns screen blanking off ... kewl |
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| 17:35.41 | sussudio | jetscreamer: not really. it's just that he's stupid and likes to ask inane questions and paste crap. |
| 17:35.54 | bizkit | supaman: but i think the next reboot / login? its enabled again |
| 17:36.08 | jetscreamer | ok then you're mycroft sussudio |
| 17:36.10 | tatoo | jetscreamer: it was loaded using rescue root. so i loaded w/ 2.2* kernel. u know the good news? it worked!!! :) |
| 17:36.17 | doublehp | what can I use to burn an AUDIO CD from mp3s ? |
| 17:36.31 | supaman | bizkit: would make sense ... would have to put it into .bash_login to make it permanent |
| 17:36.32 | petemc | doublehp: k3b |
| 17:36.44 | darg | Anybody know the program gbgraph2 - Im having a perl problem when i run it.. I installed mrtg and rrdtool what the program needed. if you go to flood you can see the error |
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| 17:36.48 | bizkit | supaman: or change /etc/console-tools/config ;-) |
| 17:36.50 | MesaMan | Why does SCP produce: ksh: scp: not found when scp is in the path? |
| 17:36.55 | jetscreamer | tatoo, ok. but when you get a >= 2.4 kernel, remember that initrd stuff |
| 17:37.12 | jetscreamer | MesaMan, diff paths for root and user |
| 17:37.14 | tatoo | jetscreamer: the lilo.conf was point to the wrong logical driver: /dev/hda2 inspite of /dev/hda3. |
| 17:37.14 | jetscreamer | under x |
| 17:37.29 | tatoo | jetscreamer: yes, i'm gonna just take a look at it! |
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| 17:37.33 | tatoo | jetscreamer: thanks jet! |
| 17:37.43 | ProfesZor | Hi all. I have installed Debian-30r4 and am experiencing trouble with trying to get the graphics card to work. Can someone help please? /var/log/XFree86.0.log reads: (EE) Failed to load module "mga_hal" (module does not exist, 0) . "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't fix the problem. I'm a newbie in need of some help. Pretty please? |
| 17:37.47 | jetscreamer | np |
| 17:37.57 | MesaMan | jetscreamer: don't know why that would make a difference... scp is in the path for the standard user and it's standard users getting the error |
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| 17:38.12 | BBearr | Next I need to correct the strange behavior of my mouse. It's a 4-button + wheel mouse, but I've configured it in X as a plain PS/2, two button, no wheel. |
| 17:38.21 | greycat | MesaMan: are there really *two* spaces after "scp:"? |
| 17:38.24 | jetscreamer | MesaMan, ok i didn't read well, no idea |
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| 17:38.32 | jetscreamer | BBearr, imps2, not ps2 |
| 17:38.33 | BBearr | When I scroll in a window, the contents move all over the place. |
| 17:38.38 | greycat | MesaMan: if so, it's probably saying "scp: x not found" where x is an empty string. |
| 17:39.02 | BBearr | imps2? |
| 17:39.13 | jetscreamer | yeah it's right under ps2 |
| 17:39.20 | greycat | wheel mice are ImPS/2 not PS/2. |
| 17:39.24 | jetscreamer | when you do the reconfigure thing |
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| 17:39.32 | BBearr | Let me look again - brb |
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| 17:39.41 | jetscreamer | turn off that 3 button emulation too |
| 17:39.42 | cire | I really need help now. I used knoppix for scanning a ntfs partition for viruses. I thought write access was not active, but trying to reboot this partition fails. This is not my computer, and I really should get it to work (no booting, but perhaps getting back the data). What may I do now? (mounting under linux fails) |
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| 17:40.15 | MesaMan | greycat: yea... two spaces... but it happens for any binary in that directory. I just used scp as an example. |
| 17:40.15 | jetscreamer | that might not get all 4 buttons working though... that's different and beyound me |
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| 17:40.29 | jetscreamer | cire, man ntfsfix (or ntfs-fix) |
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| 17:40.46 | cire | jetscreamer: thanks. I'll have a look. |
| 17:40.58 | jetscreamer | cire, you're supposed to run that after every write to ntfs before you reboot iirc |
| 17:41.02 | MesaMan | such as: ssh host "cbl" but if I put the full path in like: ssh host "/usr/dev/bin/cbl" it works... |
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| 17:42.15 | jetscreamer | cire, but you said knoppix, and i think knoppix uses capture not ntfsprogs... so yo ulmight ask in #kanotix or #knoppix |
| 17:42.28 | BBearr | On my mouse, the port should be psaux, right? |
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| 17:42.37 | greycat | MesaMan: /usr/dev/bin is not a directory that's in the default PATH that sshd sets up. |
| 17:42.43 | jetscreamer | BBearr, is it a ps2 mouse? |
| 17:42.53 | jetscreamer | confusing i know |
| 17:43.00 | MesaMan | greycat: But it's in the users environment path... |
| 17:43.06 | BBearr | Yes, but ps2 doesn't show up in port selection. |
| 17:43.07 | jetscreamer | but yeah if it's not usb or serial choose psaux |
| 17:43.14 | Nikolay | Hi all. One question: can I to tune screen (the program) for passing escape sequences through? For example: without screen text string ESC]2;<title>^g must change title of cuttern terminal window to <title>. But -- with screen title was not changed :o( |
| 17:43.18 | jetscreamer | psaux is correct |
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| 17:43.28 | BBearr | Okay - brb |
| 17:43.41 | greycat | MesaMan: but that path is *not being read in* apparently. Which dot file did you put it in, and what measures did you take to ensure that that particular dot-file is being read by a non-interactive sshd login? |
| 17:44.00 | Osis | could you recommend some mp3 palyer that would be more like winamp than xmms is |
| 17:44.04 | toresbe | Does a debootstrap yield the same result as a netinstall? |
| 17:44.15 | greycat | it's amazing how confused all the newbies are about how logins work in Unix. |
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| 17:44.30 | quitte | Osis how can anything be more like winamp fthan xmms? you can even use winamp skins |
| 17:44.49 | Osis | quitte, not the modern ones, or even those? |
| 17:44.51 | quitte | Osis: and there is a plugin that allows to use windows visualization plugins |
| 17:44.51 | MesaMan | greycat: The measure to verify was: ssh host "echo $PATH" ... |
| 17:44.51 | Nikolay | Does anybody resolve the same problems? |
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| 17:45.14 | jetscreamer | movie players play .mp3 |
| 17:45.15 | quitte | Osis dont know about modern winamp. the last time ive seen it it was like xmms |
| 17:45.15 | greycat | MesaMan: double quotes mean that $PATH is expanded on the *client* box, not on the *server* |
| 17:45.16 | MesaMan | greycat: and it's being read from /etc/ssh/sshrc |
| 17:45.25 | greycat | what the fuck is "sshrc"? |
| 17:45.33 | Osis | quitte, thankyou, and those plugins ar not in apt? |
| 17:45.34 | greycat | No manual entry for sshrc |
| 17:45.40 | greycat | ls: /etc/ssh/sshrc: No such file or directory |
| 17:45.42 | MesaMan | greycat: man sshd |
| 17:45.43 | cire | Jetscream: ntfsfix fails. It says I should use chkdsk. And: mounting fails with error -22 (sth with mftmirr or so) |
| 17:45.48 | quitte | Osis i dont think so. |
| 17:45.59 | quitte | Osis xmms.org |
| 17:46.14 | Osis | quitte, ok thank you very much ;) going to test (already there xmms.org) |
| 17:46.22 | greycat | "If $HOME/.ssh/rc exists, runs it; else if /usr/local/etc/sshrc exists, runs it; otherwise runs xauth." -- Weird. |
| 17:46.23 | Nikolay | ok. s`est tres damage :o( |
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| 17:47.03 | jetscreamer | cire, you "could" try using cfdisk or fdisk to redefine the partition type as ntfs.... it could work, or it could lose you any chance of fixing it or recovering the data.... not sure. |
| 17:47.05 | greycat | In any case, you want to do ssh remotebox 'echo $PATH' with single quotes. |
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| 17:47.20 | MesaMan | greycat: right... not necessarily a common usage but I'm trying to override the compiled in default path... |
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| 17:48.13 | jetscreamer | cire, if it's an option, like you have the hd space, try dd'ing the hda or whatever and back it up first |
| 17:48.33 | jetscreamer | back that sucker up now before you do anything (if you can) |
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| 17:49.29 | Kerr | I've just installed the nvidia drivers for my card, and when i rebooted and the kdm logon screen came up, it was messed. nvida popup, that wouldn't go away, with the text 'welcome to linux at debian' over it, as well as username and password. no buttons or anything else though. Does anyone know what went wrong? |
| 17:49.35 | cire | jetscreamer: I'll check that. |
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| 17:50.41 | strubbel | i've a problem. i want to change the psu of my box without rebooting. any advice? |
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| 17:51.06 | redswarm | What command should be issued after I added new fonts? |
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| 17:51.26 | strubbel | can linux help me with that? |
| 17:51.35 | Ronin | that i want to see strubbel |
| 17:51.46 | jethro | wtf is a psu? |
| 17:51.50 | valdyn_ | strubbel: suspend to disk |
| 17:52.00 | jethro | power supply unit? |
| 17:52.04 | Ronin | jethro: yes |
| 17:52.05 | strubbel | Ronin: i could strem it up via webcam ;) |
| 17:52.09 | jethro | ok thanks Ronin |
| 17:52.15 | strubbel | s/strem/stream/ |
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| 17:53.11 | cire | jetscreamer: What's the best (safest) way to backup the disk? |
| 17:53.36 | slocate | apt: tell me about gpm |
| 17:53.38 | cire | (i ran fdisk /dev/hda1 in linux, it found 4 partitions, but I think there was only 1) |
| 17:53.39 | strubbel | valdyn_: i think one has to be an electric engeneer to manage it |
| 17:53.58 | strubbel | s/engeneer/engineer/ |
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| 17:54.25 | strubbel | valdyn_: and even then it wouldn't be an easy job |
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| 17:55.18 | nikolas | i am trying to install the ati radeon drivers... like the debian howto says and i get the error: "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.9/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted" when i run the make_install.sh script any ideeas ? |
| 17:55.37 | jethro | nikolas: make sure you make_install.sh as root |
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| 17:55.51 | greycat | nikolas: /msg badgers ati drivers |
| 17:55.58 | valdyn_ | strubbel: not really, short power outages are usually "ok", they do nothing, so you could manage to setup a mechanism to plug over that quickly |
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| 17:56.25 | valdyn_ | strubbel: short as.. fraction of a second |
| 17:56.27 | slocate | is there anyway to search apt's topics here? |
| 17:56.44 | strubbel | valdyn_: aha, :D |
| 17:56.49 | caphuso | slocate: /msg apt listkeys foo |
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| 17:57.28 | valdyn_ | strubbel: prior to ATX, when power switches were mechanic, it was possible to switch on and off, w/o triggering anything |
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| 17:58.55 | E-bola | Hi, anybody using clamav? Im using clamav with sarge and it started complaining about being outdated? Even after running freshclam it continues, and i have done apt-get update/upgrade without any change |
| 17:59.00 | Ronin | strubbel: why not just kill your uptime and swap out the unit, it doesnt take that long |
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| 17:59.19 | strubbel | Ronin: arr, no no no no |
| 17:59.31 | strubbel | Ronin: just made fun ;) |
| 18:00.08 | quitte | can someone helpme with getting what the xstrikeforce did about xorg with svn? |
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| 18:00.25 | BBearr | I went back through the mouse config, port psaux, type imps2, but I'm still getting content movement with mouse-over. |
| 18:00.34 | strubbel | s/just made fun// |
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| 18:01.06 | jetscreamer | BBearr, do you mean on a webpage? if so it's the html |
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| 18:01.17 | quitte | i cant figure out which url and path to use. im trying svn://necrotic.deadbeast.net xorg at the moment. but it says no repository found |
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| 18:02.04 | BBearr | I get the same thing in the mouse properties page. The sliders move whenever I move the mouse. |
| 18:02.23 | strubbel | * roots rock reggae * |
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| 18:03.31 | xim | i'm looking for scripts to feed snmp with iptables data |
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| 18:03.53 | pflanze | Can anyone tell where to get the current archive signing key from? It's not the one to be found at http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2005.asc as it seems, but no. 6FFA8EF91DB114E0 instead. |
| 18:03.56 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 18:03.59 | elephantman | I have this message freezing my whole system => Jan 31 16:11:53 fireball kernel: LIST_DELETE: ip_conntrack_core.c:302 `&ct->tuplehash[IP_CT_DIR_REPLY]'(d10c2964) not in &ip_conntrac k_hash[hr]. |
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| 18:04.03 | elephantman | It happen when i put a "-nat" rule in iptable - WHY ? |
| 18:04.20 | jethro | elephantman: /j #iptables |
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| 18:04.27 | pflanze | apt: archive signing key? |
| 18:04.30 | elephantman | jethro: ok thanx |
| 18:04.34 | jethro | elephantman: yw |
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| 18:05.18 | juanma | Hi all |
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| 18:07.51 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg |
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| 18:08.08 | dondelelcaro | diff: gluck and haydn are no longer down. |
| 18:08.10 | naza | hola |
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| 18:08.52 | FieldySnuts | hehe klecker mitm |
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| 18:10.01 | nikolas | i am trying to install the ati radeon drivers... like the debian howto says and i get the error: "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.9/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted" when i run the make_install.sh script any ideeas ? |
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| 18:10.49 | EdibleText | nikolas, root? |
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| 18:10.56 | nikolas | yes |
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| 18:11.11 | metalgod | anyone know how to make wmaker use debian menus in sid ? |
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| 18:11.53 | FieldySnuts | @stab Marvelous_Things |
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| 18:12.15 | Marvelous_Things | uh ok |
| 18:12.18 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
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| 18:13.01 | S2B | Can anyone show me how to update php on a vServer which is running with Debian 3 and Confixx? |
| 18:13.05 | sussudio | !test |
| 18:13.05 | dpkg | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 18:13.05 | badgers | No, sussudio, you're not online any more. |
| 18:13.27 | pingouin | :) |
| 18:13.32 | metalgod | damn wmaker |
| 18:13.52 | epsilon | S2B: apt-get update, apt-get (dist-)upgrade |
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| 18:14.00 | tazle | hm, wonder why my ypbind broadcasts ypbind GETPORT requests to outside world with destination address 127.0.0.2 |
| 18:14.06 | tazle | make that 127.0.0.1 |
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| 18:15.39 | grigora | hi, I have a third party binary (no source, stripped) which works sometimes and other times gets killed with SIGKILL, strace shows a ton of brk() sys calls before the KILL and I cannot figure out why it's happening. I am running Sarge with all the latest updates. TIA for any help |
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| 18:16.15 | naza | hola que alguien me conteste xfavor |
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| 18:16.47 | S2B | epsilon: But where can I get the php-version I need for Debian? |
| 18:17.03 | Syph0n | any dhcp expert in the house? |
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| 18:17.11 | gearry | I am having trouble with resolvconf and vpnc |
| 18:17.11 | epsilon | S2B: backport or upgrade to sarge |
| 18:17.41 | gearry | It does not seem to grab the DNS info provided when the VPN connects |
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| 18:18.02 | gearry | anybody here use vpnc with resolvconf? |
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| 18:18.12 | gearry | or use resolvconf for other uses? |
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| 18:19.01 | metalgod | anyone know how to make wmaker use debian menus in sid ? |
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| 18:21.21 | naza | hola que me conteste alguien |
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| 18:22.14 | d0gmaz | does debian run on a ppc mac performa 5200? |
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| 18:22.39 | cozwei | i try to install debian on a computer with winXP preinstalled. I changed the partition table, so that there is enough space for debian after winXP and some other partitions, and a 15MB /boot before winXP. when i start the debian installer, he tells me that i have just one partition. but i have much more. |
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| 18:23.21 | cozwei | i tried to install ubuntu also, but there was the same problem |
| 18:23.22 | bjenkins | i can't seem to get the kernel sources installed on my system so it can build an nvidia driver |
| 18:23.45 | bjenkins | apt-get `uname -r` can't match my kernel |
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| 18:24.14 | Delph | bjenkins: do you have a debian kernel installed? |
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| 18:24.16 | bjenkins | which is 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 18:24.19 | Doc- | bjenkins: get the kernel headers... if you are using one of the debian provided kernels |
| 18:24.41 | bjenkins | doc, what' the diff between getting the headers and getting the sources? |
| 18:24.46 | metalgod | apt-get install module-assistant |
| 18:24.56 | valdyn_ | bjenkins: apt-cache search `uname -r` |
| 18:25.14 | cozwei | can anybody tell me how to enter the expert mode for installing? |
| 18:25.16 | Delph | bjenkins: the headers are the header files (can be compiled against). The sources are the sources (can be compiled) |
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| 18:25.54 | bjenkins | valdyn, what do i do with that info? |
| 18:26.07 | jethro | cozwei: just read at the boot prompt |
| 18:26.18 | grigora | anyone? |
| 18:26.22 | valdyn_ | bjenkins: notice that no source is among what gets listed |
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| 18:26.33 | bjenkins | right |
| 18:26.38 | d0gmaz | somebody knows if debian does run on a ppc mac performa 5200? |
| 18:26.48 | cozwei | jethro: will i see my partititions then? |
| 18:26.57 | bjenkins | couple of security modules and a kernel image |
| 18:27.01 | valdyn_ | bjenkins: a source is not bound to "686" cpu, its one for all |
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| 18:27.09 | jethro | cozwei: if you run fdisk/cfdisk you will |
| 18:27.39 | cozwei | jethro: but debian isn't installed. i just try to install it |
| 18:27.41 | bjenkins | i did apt-get install the kernel-source that was closest to what i found in uname |
| 18:27.57 | bjenkins | it downloaded and ran, but i could never find the sources |
| 18:28.06 | bjenkins | do they go in /usr/src? |
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| 18:28.25 | valdyn_ | bjenkins: just install the kernel-headers is easier i think |
| 18:28.29 | S2B | epsilon: I tried apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade, but I don't know what backport is... |
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| 18:28.34 | bjenkins | do you just get the kernel.tar.bz? |
| 18:28.34 | cozwei | jethro: during install i just see one partition, but i got several partitions and don't want to delete them |
| 18:28.44 | valdyn_ | bjenkins: the sources for your whole kernel are in /usr/src/ only as .tar.bz2 |
| 18:28.47 | hotzenplotz | hi |
| 18:28.54 | bjenkins | valdyn, i'll give it a shot when i understand what i'm doing beter |
| 18:28.56 | hdkiller | asuffield, i have 'hacked' openbox, and i added a new action, to move my focused window center ;) |
| 18:29.11 | hdkiller | asuffield, thank you again! |
| 18:29.15 | valdyn_ | bjenkins: if yuou want to use the sources, you need to extract those either way |
| 18:29.17 | bjenkins | ok, then after the apt-get install, i still need to unpack it, etc? |
| 18:29.36 | bjenkins | wasn't sure if apt did that for me |
| 18:29.38 | valdyn_ | bjenkins: correct ( for kernel-source-.. ) |
| 18:29.41 | bjenkins | i'll do that then |
| 18:29.48 | bjenkins | thansk for the help |
| 18:29.53 | jethro | cozwei: I can't school you on how to read your partition table, but I can tell you that you can run fdisk or cfdisk during the install |
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| 18:30.10 | hotzenplotz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.18 | hotzenplotz | can anybody help me? |
| 18:30.25 | cozwei | jethro: okay, i will try :) thanks |
| 18:30.28 | bjenkins | metalgod, is module-assistant pretty useful? |
| 18:30.32 | jethro | cozwei: yw |
| 18:30.39 | bjenkins | never heard of it |
| 18:30.41 | greycat | hotzenplotz: be more specific. |
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| 18:31.09 | hotzenplotz | ok. this is not a question about debian/configure... |
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| 18:31.23 | hotzenplotz | i start a port of ruby to skyos |
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| 18:31.46 | valdyn_ | bjenkins: m-a is nice, saves you alot of work ( and reading ) |
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| 18:31.50 | hotzenplotz | skyos is not described in config.guess |
| 18:32.02 | thomas_adam | hotzenplotz: ruby -e '5.times() { |x| puts "#{x} cool." }' |
| 18:32.04 | greycat | hotzenplotz: try #ruby or #ruby-lang or #skyos or ... |
| 18:32.42 | hotzenplotz | this isnt a good idea! |
| 18:32.43 | bjenkins | valdyn, reading is good for you, and about as much fun as drinking castor oil |
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| 18:33.14 | nvz | thomas_adam: heh. by my calculations you should have reached a psycotic breakdown by now, last I heard you said you were going to catch the 30min of sleep time you had left.. and you are still here |
| 18:33.29 | d0gmaz | somebody knows if debian does run on a ppc mac performa 5200? |
| 18:33.36 | thomas_adam | nvz: Yes. That never happened... |
| 18:33.39 | joetainment | I need help with Plone. I've gone through all the help I can find but, the plone website sends me to the debian help and the debian readme just says read the docs at plone.org. I used apt-get install plone, and got plone 2.0.4-3 and zope2.7-4-0-0 and dependencies, and now I want to start a zope server. The plone docs say it will just start, but I don't think it does. Can anyone help? |
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| 18:33.58 | jethro | d0gmaz: ask 2 3 times more but wait a bit more between each try |
| 18:34.04 | d0gmaz | :) |
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| 18:34.31 | J_P | pessoal, tem um site q diz todos os sufixos de cada pais.. .br .com .am .ar.. etc alguem lembra o site ? |
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| 18:35.21 | bjenkins | ok, now i have a dir named /usr/src/kernel-source*** |
| 18:35.29 | bjenkins | do i rename it to linux***? |
| 18:35.30 | J_P | anyone now one site with all sufixes do domains( .br, .fr, .ar etc ) ? |
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| 18:35.45 | asg | bjenkins: man mv |
| 18:35.52 | bjenkins | man mv |
| 18:35.57 | valdyn_ | bjenkins: just make a symlink |
| 18:35.57 | bjenkins | er, oops |
| 18:36.02 | Doc- | :) |
| 18:36.06 | quitte | when i ask dpkg about xorg i get an url telling me about plans. there i seealink to a subversion directory that has the files to help create debian packages of xorg. how can i download this? |
| 18:36.07 | jethro | bjenkins: you don't have to |
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| 18:36.20 | bjenkins | i want it to have the right name for the NVIDIA installer |
| 18:36.24 | klonical | does anyone known why my grub doesn't want to boot a ntfs partition?? It says Filesystem type unknown 0x7 :? |
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| 18:36.30 | bjenkins | which works in all distros i guess |
| 18:36.30 | muppo | if i want to install wine and i get this error msg http://www.pastebin.com/235810 wont it work because of this in X and in that case what do i need to do to fix it? |
| 18:36.31 | jethro | quitte: xorg on debian isn't supported here |
| 18:36.32 | abrotman | klonical: ask #grub |
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| 18:36.39 | valdyn_ | bjenkins: you dont use the NVIDIA installer in debian |
| 18:36.40 | klonical | abrotman, thanks, sorry |
| 18:36.46 | abrotman | !tell quitte about get xorg |
| 18:36.48 | jethro | bjenkins: apt-get intall the nvidia installer packaged by debian |
| 18:36.59 | bjenkins | ah |
| 18:36.59 | abrotman | quitte: but if your system blows up .. don't come back here crying |
| 18:37.05 | bjenkins | sounds easier maybe |
| 18:37.07 | quitte | jethro im just asking for a little help getting those files from the x strike force - notabout helpon cpompiling and installing. |
| 18:37.07 | directhex | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:37.08 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! It is said that you need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
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| 18:37.22 | jethro | !get xorg |
| 18:37.22 | dpkg | it has been said that get xorg is Xorg is NOT SUPPORTED HERE. http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. Xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled. Don't bother. |
| 18:37.27 | Doc- | That's not a onelinere |
| 18:37.32 | jethro | see the "you're on your own" |
| 18:37.41 | bjenkins | geeeeeesh |
| 18:37.49 | directhex | Doc-, you need a higher resolution screen then |
| 18:38.05 | directhex | most of those steps would still be neccessary if you used nvidia-installer |
| 18:38.07 | Doc- | :) |
| 18:38.17 | quitte | abrotman: i already knew that. i want the files from the x-strike-force.i wanttosee what they did in another way then daniels did for hoary - and from what in read the xstrikeforcedid a better job |
| 18:38.34 | muppo | no one? |
| 18:38.36 | abrotman | quitte: then i guess you need to learn how to use svn |
| 18:38.36 | jethro | I run x 1920*1200 and it's still a one liner fitting in 5 irssi lines :) |
| 18:38.39 | bjenkins | maybe i'll just get used to the screen flicker instead |
| 18:38.41 | wfq | hi, i have installed an configured cups for a network laser printer, but have I update (modify) the /etc/samba/smb.conf file to that the printer work? |
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| 18:38.59 | bjenkins | or go outside for a walk... |
| 18:39.06 | directhex | i.e. you'd need to apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && nvidiawhatever && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:39.08 | wfq | or cups update smb.conf? |
| 18:39.09 | bjenkins | thansk for the help fellas |
| 18:39.18 | quitte | abrotman first of all i need to know where this stupid repository is. |
| 18:39.31 | abrotman | quitte: google for "xsf debian" |
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| 18:39.45 | jethro | quitte:" but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN." |
| 18:40.31 | quitte | I DIDNT BREAK DEBIAN I DONT WANT HELP FIXING IT |
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| 18:41.01 | abrotman | quitte: if you installed xorg .. you broke it |
| 18:41.01 | jethro | quitte: no you want help to avoid breaking stuff I d say but still, you're on your own |
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| 18:42.04 | muppo | if i want to install wine and i get this error msg http://www.pastebin.com/235810 wont it work because of this in X and in that case what do i need to do to fix it? |
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| 18:42.20 | abrotman | muppo: xlibs-dev |
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| 18:42.45 | muppo | thank you abrotman |
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| 18:43.22 | nikolas | ok, is there someone here that can help me install ati driveres on debian.... after 2 days i still can't get it to work |
| 18:43.28 | abrotman | !ati drivers |
| 18:43.28 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
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| 18:43.54 | directhex | nikolas, only 2 days? come back in a week |
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| 18:44.20 | Darian | I'm doing an install of a new Debian system, but I'm wondering if there's any way to make Debian NOT install all the crud it wants to install by default |
| 18:44.23 | Darian | e.g. ppp, exim, etc. |
| 18:44.26 | quitte | abrotman jethro why do you think you should keep me from breaking my system? im doing this all the time and i enjoy it. no need to keep information from me. just say dont know if you dont know instead of saying YOURE ON YOUR OWN |
| 18:44.33 | directhex | Darian, you need an MTA. |
| 18:44.41 | Darian | directhex: I sure don't need exim though |
| 18:44.47 | Darian | directhex: but it's the other junk that I care about |
| 18:44.47 | asg | Darian: ppp you can easily remove post-facto |
| 18:44.55 | abrotman | quitte: you're asking us how to use SVN aren't you? i told you where to find the svn links |
| 18:45.07 | Darian | yeah, but I'm just thinking there should be a better way to do it than to install stuff then remove it later |
| 18:45.17 | Doc- | quitte: you the same type of guy as me? someone who like breaking his linux install just to fix it ;) |
| 18:45.20 | Darian | I don't mind installing it then removing it, but it seems like a waste |
| 18:45.20 | EdibleText | Darian, after the installer reboots use dselect to pick and choose which crud you want.. |
| 18:45.26 | quitte | abrotman ok. you were a lot more helpful.thanks for that |
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| 18:45.38 | nikolas | abrotman, done that.... still have problems |
| 18:46.05 | quitte | Doc-no it breaks while "improving" it ;) |
| 18:46.16 | Doc- | Heh :P |
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| 18:47.22 | abrotman | nikolas: #ati might know more? .. i don't own any ati hardware |
| 18:47.30 | abrotman | nor have i since a Rage IIc or some crap |
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| 18:47.44 | abrotman | quitte: did you find the svn thing you were looking for? |
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| 18:48.12 | nikolas | abrotman, no activity there for the last 3 hours |
| 18:48.21 | abrotman | nikolas: lovely .. |
| 18:48.33 | valdyn_ | nikolas: maybe explain _what_ is going wrong |
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| 18:48.42 | azreal | nikolas: my experiences with ati lead to frustration and headache, i pulled it out and stomped up and down with it, then bought a nvidia card. |
| 18:48.58 | doub | Darian: you can install by hand using debootstrap --exclude=<pkg1,pkg2...> but that's quite a pain |
| 18:49.39 | Darian | doub yeah, probably more work than just removing them |
| 18:49.41 | azreal | nikolas: i tried and tried to get my 8500 to do various things, but i eneded up replaceing it because it sucks really bad |
| 18:49.48 | quitte | abrotman not really. i know in which directory on which machine - but i dont know what i should tell svn to co |
| 18:49.49 | Darian | I'll deal with it, I was just curious |
| 18:49.53 | Darian | thanks though everyone |
| 18:50.11 | abrotman | quitte: and for that .. try #svn or #subversion .. i'm not sure which it is now |
| 18:50.17 | doub | Darian: there's a debootstrap howto, google will tell you. that's not very complex, it's just you're repeating what the installer does by hand |
| 18:50.24 | Darian | yeah |
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| 18:51.00 | nikolas | valdyn_, i am trying to install the ati radeon drivers... like the debian howto says and i get the error: "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.9/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted" when i run the make_install.sh |
| 18:51.10 | quitte | abrotman ok thanks |
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| 18:52.25 | dfadel | hello people |
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| 18:52.47 | Doc- | hello |
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| 18:53.15 | abrotman | !hello |
| 18:53.15 | dpkg | Hi, abrotman! |
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| 18:54.48 | doub | nikolas: are you running this command as root? |
| 18:55.26 | dfadel | I'm configuring a VPN using kame-tools (ipsec-tools in debian) and racoon (for automatic shared keys exchange). I follow the http://www.ipsec-howto.org/x265.html, but I can't get it working. No error message is reported. |
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| 18:55.50 | nikolas | doub, yes |
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| 18:56.44 | doub | nikolas: maybe running depmod -a would help |
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| 18:57.28 | nikolas | doub, same |
| 18:57.29 | b0ef | anyone ever gotten kamix (qamix) to work with midi input?. I think I've tried everything now. Can someone confirm that it actually works? |
| 18:57.30 | dfadel | can someone give some tip what I need to get VPN working with kame, using kernel 2.6.x |
| 18:57.32 | dfadel | ? |
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| 18:57.57 | bactis | Is there a way to change the powermanagement options in debian, my laptop cooler is working 100 % all the time?? |
| 18:58.30 | edonk | I should replace pacakge x with y. Upgrade does not work, removing x (and than installing y) removes many packages which I don't want. |
| 18:58.56 | abrotman | b0ef: #debian-kde |
| 18:59.05 | abrotman | edonk: again? |
| 18:59.12 | b0ef | abrotman: mk, nice |
| 18:59.27 | dfadel | I compiled everything need in kernel, except IPv6 support. I loaded the SPD using setkey and started racoon. |
| 18:59.28 | jethro | dfadel: you need to understand the underlyings of vpn, use tcpdump to make sure both ends of the vpn "see" each other's packets and such |
| 18:59.53 | dvs | edonk: Then install x and then remove y. |
| 18:59.59 | edonk | abrotman, sorry, I didn't get any answer |
| 19:00.00 | dfadel | jethro: I'm sure the 2 ends of VPN can't see each other |
| 19:00.09 | edonk | dvs, it doesn't work |
| 19:00.11 | abrotman | edonk: why are you trying to remove libpango ? |
| 19:00.12 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: :) |
| 19:00.19 | dfadel | jethro: the packages are not being encapsulated |
| 19:00.24 | jethro | dfadel: then allow 500/udp and proto esp to pass between both peers |
| 19:00.36 | quitte | abrotman: did it. was really easy. no idea why i didnt do it like that earlier |
| 19:00.44 | abrotman | quitte: ok .. good |
| 19:00.51 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: what did i do? |
| 19:00.57 | edonk | abrotman, becouse I want libgtk2.0-dev |
| 19:00.57 | dfadel | jethro: I have the firewall down for test it. no drop/reject rule |
| 19:01.00 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: nothing |
| 19:01.45 | abrotman | edonk: so apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev |
| 19:01.45 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I just observed something I found humourous |
| 19:01.45 | abrotman | edonk: are you on woody or something? |
| 19:01.45 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: what's that? |
| 19:01.45 | edonk | abrotman, and it cannot be installed becouse libpango is its unmet dependencie |
| 19:01.45 | edonk | abrotman, no, sid |
| 19:01.45 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: your /ver reply |
| 19:01.45 | jethro | dfadel: so now make sure you see ike traffic with tcpdump |
| 19:01.45 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i'm at work doing crappy win32 work today |
| 19:01.46 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes I noticed |
| 19:01.57 | abrotman | i could use irssi on a linux box i guess .. but whatever |
| 19:01.58 | dfadel | jethro: it's what I would question you now. |
| 19:02.04 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 19:02.15 | Hool_ | abrotman: you aren't? i thought you was elite :( |
| 19:02.35 | dfadel | jethro: if I get data output in my VPN gateway, should I see the packets encapsulated with esp? |
| 19:02.40 | jethro | dfadel: you wanted a tip, I told you to use tcpdump, now please stop it, vpn problems are off topic in debian unless the problem comes from the way debian packages stuff |
| 19:02.47 | abrotman | Hool_: well .. at work i use different stuff depending what day it is .. aren't you amazed i can answer all these questions from win32 though? |
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| 19:03.06 | Hool_ | abrotman: well. at work you have to adjust.. |
| 19:03.11 | Hool_ | from home however.. |
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| 19:03.26 | abrotman | Hool_: at home .. i have winders on my laptop .. rarely used .. |
| 19:03.27 | FieldySnuts | we had a VPN with one of our offices in another part of the country once. it was a disaster; all the win systems there were infected with everything under the sun, which immediately attacked our network, so that lasted about 5 minutes. we never did it again. |
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| 19:03.37 | dfadel | jethro: i'm so sorry. But nor Ralf could answer why this doesn't work |
| 19:03.44 | abrotman | Hool_: i actually spend a lot of time in PuTTy terms even when i'm in windows |
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| 19:03.56 | Hool_ | abrotman: you have? fine then.. give that one to mee, i send you a recipt and you can write it off your tax :D |
| 19:04.07 | Hool_ | putty is your friend.. |
| 19:04.14 | jethro | dfadel: do you have any idea of how things should go if that worked, besides "I can't ping" or likewise stuff? |
| 19:04.23 | abrotman | Hool_: the winders? |
| 19:04.29 | Hool_ | abrotman: the laptop |
| 19:04.30 | Hool_ | :) |
| 19:04.41 | Hool_ | you said you wasn't using it ;) |
| 19:05.22 | abrotman | Hool_: i don't use windows .. i love my laptop |
| 19:05.26 | bananana | lol hai2u |
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| 19:05.44 | Hool_ | hahah |
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| 19:06.02 | Hool_ | well gotta try. sometimes they're drunk/crazy enough to send 'em :) |
| 19:06.17 | edonk | or is there any way to remove only the package without its dependencies? |
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| 19:06.29 | dfadel | jethro: I know what should happen when it works |
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| 19:06.47 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: have i fallen in your eyes? |
| 19:06.57 | XTF | I'm reading the rrdtool documentation (/usr/share/doc/rrdtool/rrdtutorial.txt.gz) and it appears to be Unicode, but it's not shown correctly with zcat. |
| 19:06.59 | abrotman | edonk: yes .. you will break your system |
| 19:07.00 | XTF | IS that supposed to happen? |
| 19:07.03 | abrotman | edonk: are you on woody? |
| 19:07.09 | abrotman | zless ? |
| 19:07.10 | joetainment | I need help with Plone. I've gone through all the help I can find but I can't make it work. Can anyone help? |
| 19:07.17 | dfadel | jethro: but I have no error message. |
| 19:07.24 | jethro | dfadel: so go through all the appropriate steps and I m sure you'll find where the problem is |
| 19:07.35 | dfadel | jethro: but I thank you so much |
| 19:07.40 | jethro | dfadel: you're welcome |
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| 19:07.44 | edonk | abrotman, no sid, and how can I do it? |
| 19:07.54 | abrotman | edonk: ok .. then i'm really f-in confused |
| 19:07.58 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0-dev |
| 19:08.04 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-dev: (Development files for the GTK+ library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.4.14-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2530 kB, Installed size: 8172 kB |
| 19:08.07 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: no |
| 19:08.12 | abrotman | edonk: what is the error when you try to install that? |
| 19:08.17 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: sometimes we must do what we have to do |
| 19:08.24 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i suppose |
| 19:08.37 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i don't mind that much .. it's better for when all my users have issues i guess |
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| 19:08.42 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: i am fortunate to only have to touch a windows system about 1% of the time |
| 19:08.52 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: good .. get me ajob |
| 19:09.10 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: apparently we only hire bahamian citizens |
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| 19:09.22 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: so you better start working on your citizenship |
| 19:09.35 | edonk | abrotman, its not only pango but there is an n number of packages which have some older versions, and upgrading doesn't work |
| 19:09.50 | abrotman | edonk: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 19:09.54 | abrotman | edonk: what happens ? |
| 19:10.03 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i can do it!! |
| 19:10.09 | edonk | abrotman, I did it |
| 19:10.18 | abrotman | edonk: and? |
| 19:10.48 | edonk | abrotman, I dist-upgraded but still they are still there |
| 19:10.57 | abrotman | what are? |
| 19:11.00 | abrotman | what are still there? |
| 19:11.25 | abrotman | edonk: paste the problem in #flood |
| 19:11.25 | abrotman | !paste |
| 19:11.25 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
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| 19:11.51 | abrotman | at least edonk doesn't think he is a porn star and call himself edoink |
| 19:11.54 | danny | hello |
| 19:12.25 | danny | i have a simple question: where can i define route which become active at boot up time ? |
| 19:12.33 | doub | danny: man interfaces |
| 19:12.35 | abrotman | !tell danny about interfaces |
| 19:12.40 | jethro | danny: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:12.44 | danny | hehe |
| 19:12.46 | danny | mkay |
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| 19:13.15 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: it is quite costly |
| 19:13.23 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: but it's worth it!! |
| 19:13.30 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I guess |
| 19:13.34 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: for you I dont know |
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| 19:14.10 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: this country is way more conservative then your country |
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| 19:14.23 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: it's ok .. i'll just hide on the beach |
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| 19:15.35 | TheArtist | i just recompiled a new kernel and booted it, but when starting x i get a "Cannot establish any listening sockets" error... anyone know why? |
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| 19:17.17 | abrotman | !info libpango-dev |
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| 19:17.24 | abrotman | !info libpango1.0-dev |
| 19:17.28 | dpkg | libpango1.0-dev: (Development files for the Pango), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.6.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 264 kB, Installed size: 1000 kB |
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| 19:17.34 | abrotman | see what version that is ... |
| 19:17.41 | abrotman | edonk: your mirror may be horribly out of date |
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| 19:18.44 | jcole | i've got an old imac with os 9 on it, i don't want to overwrite os 9... how would i go about shrinking my partition and dual booting debian? |
| 19:19.03 | greycat | #debianppc might know |
| 19:19.06 | abrotman | edonk: though .. it looks fine |
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| 19:19.23 | jcole | greycat: thanks, will do. |
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| 19:19.35 | dondelelcaro | jcole: you pretty much have to repartition... |
| 19:19.46 | abrotman | edonk: i still can't believe that `apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade` leaves you with stuff like that |
| 19:19.57 | dondelelcaro | jcole: although, there may be some partition tools to resize hfs partitions out there... FWB or some such |
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| 19:25.10 | codc | i have problem with my kde running on debian sarge - kde 3.3.2 is extremly slow - someone an idea |
| 19:25.23 | abrotman | #debian-kde might |
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| 19:25.45 | codc | ok i try it |
| 19:25.48 | xeron_ | Is there a relatively easy way to judge upstream and downstream bandwidth from console? |
| 19:25.49 | dvs | codc: Uninstall KDE? |
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| 19:26.34 | quitte | codc make sure your hostname is being resolved. for some reason this is often a problemfor kdebeing slow. |
| 19:26.37 | abrotman | xeron_: ntop ? |
| 19:26.47 | abrotman | oh i know .. kde sucks :) |
| 19:26.55 | kirbymeister | I hate kde |
| 19:27.02 | codc | in the /etc/hosts ? |
| 19:27.06 | kirbymeister | the interface looks like a newbie's interface |
| 19:27.12 | quitte | codc yes |
| 19:27.20 | abrotman | codc: at least there ... if you don't control your own dns |
| 19:27.25 | xeron_ | abrotman- I'm not familiar with it. |
| 19:27.29 | abrotman | !ntop |
| 19:27.29 | dpkg | ntop is, like, at http://www-serra.unipi.it/~ntop/ or i need alpha-dec-osf4 binaries |
| 19:27.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:27.37 | abrotman | xeron_: install it .. |
| 19:27.42 | xeron_ | Thanks man ;) |
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| 19:28.15 | emilios | a question do I have to add any more moules in xf86config except bitmap dbe ddc extmod record speed p type1 vbe xtt glx for nvidia to run? |
| 19:28.16 | codc | named.conf is waiting now to configure ;) |
| 19:28.17 | quitte | codc dont forget the domainname |
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| 19:28.24 | emilios | ^modules |
| 19:28.43 | sofaSpud | I have a fresh sarge install here. I've noticed that the updatedb script doesn't reference /etc/updatedb.conf |
| 19:28.44 | abrotman | emilios: #nvidia |
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| 19:28.55 | abrotman | sofaSpud: is that bad? |
| 19:29.21 | toresbe | !info console-tools-libs |
| 19:29.30 | emilios | abrotman : I have this in my modules file. Do I have to add it in xfconfig also? |
| 19:29.33 | jharrisonwk | got to love postfix |
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| 19:29.41 | abrotman | emilios: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:29.42 | sofaSpud | I'm wondering if debian is really that sloppy, or is the updatedb setup an exception |
| 19:29.43 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i do |
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| 19:30.01 | abrotman | sofaSpud: it could be .. is the updatedb a binary or script . and also .. check bts |
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| 19:30.19 | Sandman | How stable is Reiser4 these days? |
| 19:30.22 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:30.24 | abrotman | bad |
| 19:30.26 | abrotman | !find updatedb |
| 19:30.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'updatedb' (4 shown): (/etc/updatedb.conf) in base/findutils ;; (/usr/bin/updatedb) in base/findutils,utils/slocate ;; (/usr/share/diogenes/scripts/updatedb.php) in web/diogenes ;; (/usr/share/doc/radiuscontext/examples/updatedb.pl) in admin/radiuscontext. |
| 19:30.41 | sofaSpud | abrotman: a script |
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| 19:30.54 | abrotman | sofaSpud: glance it and see if it skips it on purpose |
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| 19:31.06 | ere | is it a simple way to create a debian mirror for LAN useage? (like copy from the installation cd's) |
| 19:31.14 | ere | so I can use apt-get from the other machines on the LAN |
| 19:31.31 | abrotman | sofaSpud: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=findutils .. see if there is already a bug(might be archived too) |
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| 19:31.48 | abrotman | ere: how about apt-proxy ? |
| 19:31.51 | sofaSpud | they essentially duplicate the while updatedb cfg in the script itself. I'm wondering what I'm getting into if I have to deal with a lot little gotchas lof that sort. |
| 19:31.56 | abrotman | ere: it's not a mirror .. but probably better |
| 19:32.04 | FordPrefect_ | hi |
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| 19:32.10 | ere | abrotman: the LAN do not have Internet connection |
| 19:32.27 | abrotman | ere: at all? |
| 19:32.33 | ere | abrotman: nope |
| 19:32.38 | abrotman | ere: is there a firewall ? |
| 19:32.51 | ere | nix, it is a isolated test network |
| 19:32.59 | abrotman | ere: oh jeez .. hrm .. |
| 19:33.00 | abrotman | !mirror |
| 19:33.01 | dpkg | methinks mirror is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list | <reply> see mirrors |
| 19:33.30 | greycat | bad factoid |
| 19:33.36 | greycat | @wb dpkg |
| 19:33.36 | Fredz | hi all, after last hal upgrade on sid I have again dhcp errors but I can't remember what I did to correct this last time. any ideas ? |
| 19:33.38 | ravenbird | Welcome back dpkg, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
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| 19:33.50 | nowlin | when will xorg enter unstable? |
| 19:33.54 | greycat | nowlin: /topic |
| 19:33.54 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 19:33.55 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
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| 19:34.36 | kirbymeister | so; what's happening after we release sarge; should I change back to the stable once sarge is out? |
| 19:34.53 | abrotman | kirbymeister: that's up to you |
| 19:35.05 | Rawplayer | kirbymeister: ;D |
| 19:35.16 | greycat | kirbymeister: if you want to stay on sarge, just change it to 'sarge' right now. |
| 19:35.17 | abrotman | kirbymeister: if you track sarge .. you will just get stable .. if you track testing .. you will continue to track testing |
| 19:35.23 | bucky | or you could go back to potato or slink |
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| 19:35.31 | greycat | bucky: only by reinstalling |
| 19:35.33 | nowlin | thx |
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| 19:35.40 | kirbymeister | I mean; will testing get really buggy or not? |
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| 19:35.49 | greycat | kirbymeister: it could. we don't know. |
| 19:35.50 | abrotman | probably for alittle bit |
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| 19:36.00 | abrotman | kirbymeister: just track sarge .. upgrade when you have to |
| 19:36.02 | abrotman | or want to |
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| 19:36.09 | greycat | or when there's a DSA |
| 19:36.10 | kirbymeister | I currently track testing |
| 19:36.19 | abrotman | then switch to sarge now |
| 19:36.23 | bender183 | anyone ever have problems when upgrading a kernel if the filesystem being used is reiserfs? |
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| 19:36.39 | greycat | bender183: sounds like a boot loader issue, if anything. |
| 19:36.41 | abrotman | anyone ever have problems with reiserfs? :) |
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| 19:36.43 | bender183 | no |
| 19:36.46 | bender183 | its not |
| 19:36.57 | MrKeuner | hi, I have two debian boxes one of which is connected to a usb printer on which both can print using gnome. However remote box cannot print when using firefox. What can I do? |
| 19:36.58 | greycat | lilo should be FS independent, but GRUB isn't. |
| 19:37.03 | bender183 | kernel panics when it comes time to mount the filesystem |
| 19:37.06 | kirbymeister | i'm still waiting for reiser4 to hit Debian |
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| 19:37.11 | greycat | bender183: oh, then that's a configuration issue. |
| 19:37.11 | bender183 | grub loads fine |
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| 19:37.25 | bender183 | i have reiserfs statically built into the kernel |
| 19:37.37 | greycat | bender183: then you perhaps forgot your disk controller |
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| 19:37.48 | bender183 | herm |
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| 19:37.54 | bender183 | you maybe onto something there |
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| 19:38.02 | greycat | bender183: we see this *all* the time... |
| 19:38.08 | bender183 | hehe |
| 19:38.09 | guest | i'm running 2.6.10 and i have a usbstick. i installed a program called usbview which shows it's loaded but i can't tell which device it is. i've tried mount /dev/sda /mnt (and also /dev/sda1) but they say it's an invalid block device. any other places to try? |
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| 19:38.20 | bender183 | well thanks for the help =) |
| 19:38.20 | greycat | do I get the staff, too? |
| 19:38.26 | abrotman | greycat: i don't see why not |
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| 19:38.31 | greycat | yay! |
| 19:38.36 | Delph | guest: do you know if its sda or not? |
| 19:38.40 | abrotman | greycat: if you want robes .. you'll have to talk to someone else :) |
| 19:38.44 | jeaneid | I am trying to set up the mailto in the urlhandler of gnome. I use mozilla mail and ny handler is /usr/bin/mozilla -mail to=%s however the window launches with %s in the to field ??? |
| 19:38.45 | guest | Delph: nope, no idea. |
| 19:38.53 | doub | guest: cat /proc/partition. if it's not there, you might be lacking some modules |
| 19:38.57 | asg | abrotman: great, now he has magic items. We'd better watch out |
| 19:39.04 | abrotman | asg: he's naked though |
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| 19:39.07 | Delph | guest: or look at dmesg |
| 19:39.10 | asg | abrotman: part of the magic |
| 19:39.21 | abrotman | asg: though .. i guess he could use the wizard hat to cover the delicate parts |
| 19:39.21 | guest | doub: ahah awesome. what's 'uba'? |
| 19:39.26 | greycat | abrotman: he is not! he has a pointy hat on! |
| 19:39.28 | abrotman | usb drive |
| 19:39.46 | guest | abrotman: awesome. i tried debian a few years ago and it wasn't that. did it change? |
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| 19:39.58 | abrotman | guest: two days ago .. dunno |
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| 19:40.31 | guest | doub: so if i see 'uba' which device should i use to mount? |
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| 19:41.01 | doub | guest: does it list partitions for this device? |
| 19:41.12 | doub | guest: if not, mount it directly |
| 19:41.17 | lamp | i can't load module w83627hf i need it for my sensors it is the right module but why i can't load it FATAL: Error inserting w83627hf (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/w83627hf.ko): No such device |
| 19:41.21 | guest | doub: 180 0 64000 uba |
| 19:41.36 | guest | doub: 'mount directly'? how? |
| 19:41.54 | doub | guest: mount /dev/uba <mount point> |
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| 19:41.58 | dmiles | So I'm trying to compile a kernel and I'm lazy and I want to use the debian config with a few modifications. |
| 19:42.07 | greycat | dmiles: then you must use the debianized sources too. |
| 19:42.08 | dmiles | that means I've got to make an intird image |
| 19:42.09 | guest | doub: i don't have a /dev/uba |
| 19:42.12 | dmiles | greycat: correct |
| 19:42.13 | greycat | dmiles: yes, it does. |
| 19:42.19 | guest | doub: hmm.. |
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| 19:42.24 | greycat | dmiles: make-kpkg --initrd ... |
| 19:42.55 | bender183 | greycat: good looks my southbridge contoller wasnt being recognized |
| 19:43.09 | bender183 | i just went into the kernel config and checked it =) |
| 19:43.11 | doub | guest: i don't quite know about ub* devices. maybe read the doc about device files, and create the according device file using mknod |
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| 19:44.01 | guest | doub: hmm i do have a /dev/usb/ez0 but that doesn't mount |
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| 19:44.19 | guest | what is the default /dev/* for a usb memory stick in debian these days? |
| 19:44.29 | greycat | most likely sda* |
| 19:44.31 | Nijan | hello, anyone know the directory of mysql library? |
| 19:44.32 | bender183 | try sda |
| 19:44.43 | Nijan | and include. |
| 19:44.51 | greycat | Nijan: apt-cache search -- mysql -dev |
| 19:44.53 | guest | greycat: hmm ok, i may try with a different stick /proc/partitions only shows 'uba' |
| 19:44.59 | guest | .. but with the right block size |
| 19:45.07 | bender183 | gl guest |
| 19:45.18 | greycat | guest: I don't know anything about hotplug/discover crap... |
| 19:45.29 | greycat | or udev, or devfs, other than the inevitable "don't use 'em" |
| 19:45.30 | guest | right good 'o |
| 19:45.55 | guest | greycat: so i should perhaps try taking usbdevfs support out of the kernel? |
| 19:45.56 | bender183 | but /dev is deprecated =) |
| 19:46.06 | greycat | guest: no idea. |
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| 19:46.44 | takatumi | guest: self compiled? |
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| 19:46.48 | guest | can anyone tell me if and why usbdevfs sucks? |
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| 19:46.51 | guest | takatumi: yep |
| 19:47.00 | guest | takatumi: everything else works a treat |
| 19:47.05 | doub | guest: usbdevfs is required for usb to work, it only lists usb devices in /proc/bus/usb. it has nothing to do with devfs/udev |
| 19:47.15 | whaq__ | raid-1 boot and root partition on usbdevfs |
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| 19:47.16 | dvs | guest: devfs will be deprecated as of July |
| 19:47.17 | greycat | doub: did you forget a "not" in there? |
| 19:47.23 | guest | dvs: wow.. |
| 19:47.24 | greycat | dvs: it's already deprecated... |
| 19:47.30 | [xDCDx] | is there support for Media Transfer Protocol (MTP or PlaysForSure) in linux? |
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| 19:47.36 | guest | so usbdevfs is needed? strange |
| 19:47.42 | doub | greycat: no, why should i? |
| 19:47.47 | dvs | guest: Sorry, it will be REMOVED in July |
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| 19:48.03 | dmiles | greycat: I just read the manpage for make-kpkg and I have a question for you: when you do make-kpkg --initrd, it "performs any actions necessary" to make an intrd image... |
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| 19:48.06 | greycat | doub: because I've certainly got USB to work without having "usbdevfs" |
| 19:48.13 | takatumi | guest: grep CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD /path/to/.config |
| 19:48.20 | doub | greycat: ok now it's usbfs, not usbdevfs, but the purpose is the same |
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| 19:48.31 | dmiles | greycat: does it require me to know what I'm going to need in the initrd image (like does it require me to have a good /etc/intird/modules file)? |
| 19:48.37 | kirbymeister | question: how come my joypads dont work anymore? |
| 19:48.43 | greycat | doub: by "now", do you mean "late model 2.6 kernels" by any chance? Because I don't use 2.6 either, if I can help it. |
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| 19:48.59 | greycat | dmiles: the one or two times I've done it, I didn't have to know anything. |
| 19:49.02 | guest | takatumi: it's there as a module. .. i'll see what it's called |
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| 19:49.11 | takatumi | guest: sd_mod |
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| 19:49.22 | dmiles | greycat: cool beans, thank you |
| 19:49.32 | guest | takatumi: yep, that's loaded |
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| 19:49.56 | defy | does is the search function on debian.org broken for anyone else? |
| 19:49.56 | doub | greycat: i'm a bit lost here. at least lsusb won't work with usbdevfs/usbfs, not counting some poorly written usb drivers accessing devices directly from /proc/bus/usb/<something> |
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| 19:50.23 | greycat | doub: all I know is that I can plug in my Neuros or my digital camera and it shows up as "sda". |
| 19:50.23 | doub | greycat: s/with/without/ |
| 19:50.53 | guest | i guess i'm trying to find out whether i should have compiled usbdevfs support in the kernel has b0rk3d sd_mod doing it's normal work |
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| 19:51.29 | takatumi | greycat: my camera works the same, using udev as well. |
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| 19:51.35 | guest | that makes no sense.. sorry. "whether usbdevfs conflicts with sd_mod" |
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| 19:51.50 | quittt | hi |
| 19:51.54 | quittt | =] |
| 19:51.55 | quitte | wtf |
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| 19:51.57 | doub | greycat: that sounds fair. but i have some borked usb adsl modem here that requires the usbdevfs (which again, has nothing to do with /dev stuff) |
| 19:52.07 | quittt | quitte, hahaha |
| 19:52.07 | quitte | lndir is in xutils? |
| 19:52.19 | quittt | quitte, who are you and where are you from? |
| 19:52.23 | quitte | quittt: get a different nick please |
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| 19:52.36 | quittt | quitte, sorry I have this much more before you |
| 19:52.54 | quitte | quittt nickserv says something different |
| 19:52.56 | greycat | Nickname: quitte Registered: 3 years 13 weeks 5 days |
| 19:52.58 | takatumi | please quit this. |
| 19:53.04 | greycat | Nickname: quittt Registered: 41 weeks 4 days |
| 19:53.14 | bender183 | hehe |
| 19:53.15 | quittt | greycat, oh... |
| 19:53.24 | quittt | quitte, it is abreviation of my last name |
| 19:53.26 | alexscott-[vak] | quit |
| 19:53.30 | quittt | I cant change it sorry =/ |
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| 19:53.30 | bender183 | hahaha |
| 19:53.39 | quittt | quitte, my last name is Quitete |
| 19:53.42 | greycat | that's even better than me and greenfly! |
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| 19:53.56 | guest | one other question.. do the /dev/* load in sequential order given the number of devices on the system? eg /dev/sda for one usb stick /dev/sda1 for two etc etc? |
| 19:53.59 | quittt | quitte, why that nick? |
| 19:54.36 | quitte | quittt i *am* quitte. thats why. |
| 19:55.08 | doub | guest: the second would be /dev/sdb, but that's is |
| 19:55.10 | greycat | because he's just short of being a quitter? |
| 19:55.13 | Tabitha | the two of you need to quit it. |
| 19:55.14 | takatumi | nice to meet you too, quittettts. |
| 19:55.22 | Weems | Im having trouble installing libxv |
| 19:55.24 | guest | hehe |
| 19:55.28 | Weems | apt wont install it |
| 19:55.29 | NetZwerg | lol @ Tabitha |
| 19:55.31 | asg | Tabitha: or at least quittt it |
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| 19:55.38 | quittt | quitte, well we can be friends =] |
| 19:55.48 | NetZwerg | this should go to hall of fame |
| 19:55.53 | guest | truly |
| 19:56.00 | guest | anyway thx all.. |
| 19:56.02 | greycat | quite. |
| 19:56.04 | quitte | quittt just because our nicks are pronounced simlarly? no thanks |
| 19:56.08 | db123 | ? |
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| 19:56.19 | takatumi | quiet. |
| 19:56.50 | quittt | quitte, hahaha |
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| 20:00.52 | greenish | I am having some problems with the latest postfix package for sarge after I dist-upgraded is there some way I can roll back the changes? |
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| 20:01.14 | greycat | greenish: dpkg -i /path/to/the/old/postfix*.deb |
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| 20:01.26 | greycat | greenish: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 20:01.28 | hikaru79 | I have a user named 'adrian' , how can I give him full permissions on the /var/www/ directory? At the moment, it says permission is denied. |
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| 20:01.53 | greycat | hikaru79: make a new group, add him to that group, chgrp _the_new_group_ /var/www, chmod 775 /var/www |
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| 20:02.50 | S2B | How can I update to the actual php-version on a vServer with debian3? |
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| 20:03.09 | greycat | "the actual ... version"? |
| 20:03.14 | xelam | what do you mean by update to the actual php-version? |
| 20:03.21 | Delph | S2B: you'll be best off talking to your server provider. |
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| 20:04.00 | S2B | greycat: I'm from germany, so my english isn't very good *g* |
| 20:04.00 | Delph | hi blondie_ |
| 20:04.06 | blondie_ | hi bunny |
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| 20:04.36 | valdyn_ | S2B: get a newer package ( maybe from backports.org ), and dpkg -i <package> |
| 20:04.38 | greycat | without any context or other hints, /me guesses that S2B meant "a newer version that what I have right now" |
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| 20:04.48 | greycat | s/that/than/ |
| 20:05.04 | Delph | blondie_: howbe? |
| 20:05.08 | Glitch_Master | Hey... I know this is a debian focused channel... but I figure if there are fellow geeks here, and I'm a debian user, it's close enough.. :p |
| 20:05.08 | mruiz | hi... how works Backports? |
| 20:05.11 | defy | does anyone have any info on installing debian onto a machine with a symbios 53cX scsi controller? i'm having issues finding info about it online |
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| 20:05.14 | greycat | mruiz: dangerously. |
| 20:05.21 | Glitch_Master | or... |
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| 20:05.38 | Glitch_Master | Any particular channel that I might consult for discussion of audio device connections? |
| 20:05.57 | S2B | In which directory shall I copy the file? |
| 20:06.02 | greycat | Glitch_Master: ask a question first, then we'll see... |
| 20:06.05 | blondie_ | Delph: could be worse |
| 20:06.07 | greycat | S2B: $HOME |
| 20:06.11 | valdyn_ | S2B: which file? |
| 20:06.19 | greycat | valdyn_: doesn't matter. $HOME :) |
| 20:06.20 | S2B | the package |
| 20:06.53 | greycat | Tabitha: forward slashes? |
| 20:07.01 | valdyn_ | S2B: $HOME isnt wrong.. |
| 20:07.06 | Tabitha | I'm not fully evolved yet. |
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| 20:07.35 | S2B | So I have to upload the file into the www-directory with ftp and then I can copy the file into $HOME? |
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| 20:07.58 | greycat | I think we're all less than fully evolved. I mean, why else do we have this stupid appendix and coccyx? |
| 20:08.07 | valdyn_ | S2B: cd $HOME ; wget <fileurl> |
| 20:08.10 | Delph | greycat: i dunno, the coccyx is quite useful. |
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| 20:08.16 | greycat | Delph: for what? |
| 20:08.27 | S2B | valdyn_: thx |
| 20:08.32 | Delph | (devolved tail at the bottom of our spine, yes?) |
| 20:08.36 | greycat | Delph: yes |
| 20:08.44 | waxmop | hi -- i'm trying to apt-get install r5rs-doc but i keep getting an error that it is unavailable. can anyone help me out? I think i might need another entry in my sources.list. |
| 20:08.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: wang? |
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| 20:08.53 | abrotman | greycat: i don't :) |
| 20:08.56 | FieldySnuts | heh? |
| 20:09.02 | Glitch_Master | I have a Soundblaster Live card (one of the crappy models), and I'd like to attempt to split the audio via a 1/8 splitter adapter thingy and put a line to my stereo's AUX input... The layout would look like this: SoundBlaster Card > 1/8 Splitter > 1/8 Line > 1/8 to RCA converter > RCA splitter (two-to-one input) > Stereo. I was told that some sort of loop feedback would cause the card to fry if I did this. |
| 20:09.03 | Delph | yeah, useful for fiddling with if you're bored. |
| 20:09.03 | valdyn_ | S2B: it does not matter where you copy it to, but using a place where you need to be root ( /var/www/ ) would be stupid |
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| 20:09.28 | S2B | valdyn_: ok |
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| 20:09.52 | blondie_ | im trying to install apache2 on sarge, but i get this: |
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| 20:10.02 | blondie_ | Setting up apache2-mpm-worker (2.0.52-3) ... |
| 20:10.03 | Glitch_Master | My usual friends who know more about this aren't around, so I thought I'd try the friendly Debian channel for insight. |
| 20:10.07 | blondie_ | This module does not exist! |
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| 20:10.23 | greycat | blondie_: did it say *which* module? |
| 20:10.26 | valdyn_ | S2B: now if your current $HOME was /root/.. that would be stupid aswell, obviously |
| 20:10.37 | greycat | valdyn_: indeed, because nobody should be logged in as root. |
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| 20:10.45 | blondie_ | greycat: yes, like i quoted above |
| 20:10.52 | blondie_ | 20:10:04 < blondie_> Setting up apache2-mpm-worker (2.0.52-3) ... |
| 20:11.08 | greycat | blondie_: if there was anything between "setting up apache2-mpm-worker" and "This module does not exist", your IRC client ate it. |
| 20:11.16 | blondie_ | there wasnt |
| 20:11.17 | greycat | apache2-mpm-worker is a PACKAGE name, not a MODULE. |
| 20:11.40 | blondie_ | ok, then it didn't say |
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| 20:11.50 | [sr] | hi brothers :P |
| 20:11.51 | Delph | Glitch_Master: consider silence -> no-one knows. |
| 20:12.00 | Glitch_Master | Alrighty. |
| 20:12.03 | S2B | valdyn_: http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/php4 is that the right package? |
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| 20:12.18 | valdyn_ | S2B: no, not for woody |
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| 20:12.25 | greycat | S2B: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:12.25 | S2B | ok^^ |
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| 20:12.35 | S2B | 3 |
| 20:12.40 | greycat | "3" is too vague. |
| 20:12.41 | carbon60 | Afternoon all. |
| 20:12.46 | greycat | S2B: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:12.49 | valdyn_ | S2B: www.backports.org is the usual way to find new releases backported to woody |
| 20:12.53 | carbon60 | Anyone know ohw to get the RSA key fingerprint of a host? |
| 20:13.04 | greycat | carbon60: ssh-keyscan |
| 20:13.21 | S2B | 3.0 |
| 20:13.22 | Delph | carbon60: ask the host's owner via another method. |
| 20:13.36 | S2B | valdyn_: I'll search... |
| 20:13.40 | greycat | S2B: ok, that's woody. you cannot run anything marked "testing" or "unstable" or "sarge" or "sid". |
| 20:13.41 | carbon60 | greycat, Delph: I'm the hosts owner. I want to check the key from the console. |
| 20:13.48 | carbon60 | I feel dumb. |
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| 20:14.46 | S2B | libphp-adodb <= is that the right one? |
| 20:14.57 | Glitch_Master | Bleh... |
| 20:14.59 | Glitch_Master | Oh well. |
| 20:15.02 | MrKrystal | when will there be a RFP for lazarus ? Can you fill in one for me please ? I tried, but i get a mail back saying it failled, and i don't understand why |
| 20:15.08 | blondie_ | S2B: why dont you type "apt-cache search php4"? |
| 20:15.11 | MrKrystal | http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ |
| 20:15.25 | greycat | carbon60: well, there's always "ssh -v localhost", right? |
| 20:15.25 | Glitch_Master | Would anyone know who I might consult regarding audio electronics? |
| 20:15.43 | carbon60 | greycat: True. Isn't there a Right Way, though? |
| 20:15.56 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: you can ask basic questions here... or maybe a mailing list or newsgroup would be better suited. |
| 20:16.03 | mruiz | S2B: what problem do you have with PHP? |
| 20:16.08 | S2B | blondie_: And what shall I do after that? |
| 20:16.08 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: also, /msg chanserv help list; |
| 20:16.15 | mardcod | help link Gyach.deb |
| 20:16.23 | S2B | mruiz: I want to update to php 4.3.10 |
| 20:16.24 | Glitch_Master | The list doesn't help when there are thousands of channels... |
| 20:16.41 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: I didn't say /list. I said /msg chanserv help list; |
| 20:16.46 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: they are not the same. |
| 20:16.52 | greycat | carbon60: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 20:16.53 | mruiz | do you use Woody? |
| 20:17.00 | greycat | carbon60: repeat for each of the host keys |
| 20:17.07 | carbon60 | greycat: Thanks! |
| 20:17.13 | carbon60 | That's exactly what I was looking for. |
| 20:17.25 | Glitch_Master | Server load is too heavy. |
| 20:17.26 | Glitch_Master | -_- |
| 20:17.35 | Glitch_Master | Oh well... |
| 20:17.40 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: you're using /list, not /msg chanserv help list |
| 20:17.44 | dondelelcaro | yeesh |
| 20:17.46 | Glitch_Master | No no... |
| 20:17.52 | Glitch_Master | The help is just an explanation... |
| 20:18.00 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: yes, then you /msg chanserv list foobarbaz |
| 20:18.16 | Glitch_Master | Err... I have to go. |
| 20:18.17 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: like in your case, /msg chanserv list *audi* |
| 20:18.18 | Glitch_Master | And I tried that. |
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| 20:18.24 | valdyn_ | S2B: it doesnt seem to exist for woody |
| 20:18.25 | blondie_ | S2B: install the relevent package? afaik woody doesnt have php 4.3 so you'll have to install from source |
| 20:18.25 | Glitch_Master | Same thing. |
| 20:18.35 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: then you would have gotten a list of ~ 11 matches |
| 20:18.37 | blondie_ | (which'll be fun) |
| 20:18.48 | dondelelcaro | oy vay |
| 20:18.56 | valdyn_ | S2B: or upgrade to sarge/testing |
| 20:18.57 | Delph | (to say Ask Your Host) |
| 20:19.14 | S2B | blondie_: and how can I install from source? |
| 20:19.17 | thegraham | when I try to make the driver for my ipw2200 wireless card I get an error: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. How do I fix this? |
| 20:19.41 | valdyn_ | S2B: if you have to ask you probably cant |
| 20:19.48 | greycat | S2B: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:19.51 | greycat | S2B: it will be Hard. |
| 20:20.06 | S2B | greycat: ok^^ |
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| 20:20.25 | S2B | so how can I update to sarge? *g* |
| 20:20.43 | takatumi | S2B: is this a vserver provided by a hosting company? |
| 20:20.44 | greycat | S2B: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:20.56 | S2B | takatumi: Yes! |
| 20:20.58 | greycat | takatumi: if he screws it up, they'll just reinstall and charge him $x :) |
| 20:21.22 | takatumi | S2B: doesn't your provider have any documentation? |
| 20:21.49 | toresbe | Is there a package that depends on the base packages? |
| 20:21.58 | greycat | toresbe: none that I'm aware of. |
| 20:22.10 | greycat | toresbe: you could just install the base system somewhere, and get a "dpkg --get-selections" from it |
| 20:22.11 | S2B | takatumi: I sent a mail to the provider. He said that he couldn't give support for installing php |
| 20:22.23 | blondie_ | S2B: do you have root? |
| 20:22.27 | takatumi | vservers maintain their individual package versions? |
| 20:22.30 | Tabitha | S2B: You need a newer version of php than is provided by woody? |
| 20:22.31 | toresbe | greycat: Well, I'm trying to install base, but debootstrap borked |
| 20:22.43 | S2B | blondie_: yes |
| 20:22.56 | blondie_ | well, you can upgrade to sarge if you like |
| 20:22.57 | S2B | Tabitha: yes |
| 20:22.58 | valdyn_ | takatumi: he just gets woody preinstalled with likely a local mirror and a webinterface to reinstall |
| 20:23.15 | blondie_ | by changing all instances of "stable" to "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:23.19 | takatumi | valdyn_: dist-upgrades would works as well? |
| 20:23.20 | blondie_ | then doing apt-get update |
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| 20:23.26 | valdyn_ | takatumi: yea |
| 20:23.28 | blondie_ | and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:23.29 | Tabitha | S2B: ah. I have the same issue. Someone pointed out that using a backport of php would be nicer on a production system. |
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| 20:23.39 | greycat | Tabitha: if there is one... |
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| 20:23.55 | Tabitha | Found one at dotdeb.org |
| 20:23.57 | Tabitha | haven't tried it yet though. |
| 20:24.07 | Tabitha | latest 4.x and 5.x versions |
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| 20:24.34 | Tabitha | http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/woody/php4/ and http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/woody/php5/ |
| 20:24.51 | S2B | I found that package, too. |
| 20:24.52 | valdyn_ | oh well "Due to a severe server crash, Dotdeb.org is currently down." |
| 20:25.04 | Tabitha | valdyn_: comforting isn't it? ;) |
| 20:25.05 | uGexe | Link /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build does not exist (or is not a link) <- I get this error when running a script. The PC running it does not have the build directory (default debian install), but on PCs where I have updated the kernel it does. How do I get the build directory on this machine without compiling a new kernel? |
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| 20:25.28 | greycat | uGexe: install kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 20:25.30 | takatumi | uGexe: install kernel-headers |
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| 20:25.49 | S2B | So what shall I do now? :) |
| 20:25.55 | uGexe | i already installed kernel-source.. isnt that the same + some |
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| 20:26.26 | Tabitha | I dunno. I'm hestitant to upgrade the base system to sarge until security updates are provided for it. If I recall correctly though, I think they are currently providing sec updates |
| 20:26.32 | Tabitha | someone here should know definitively. |
| 20:26.44 | takatumi | uGexe: just installing kernel-source won't work, either compile it or try the kernel-headers |
| 20:26.53 | waxmop | anybody want to help me out with an apt-get install prob? |
| 20:26.59 | cat | waxmop: ask |
| 20:27.01 | Tabitha | I seem to remember a debian news e-mail that said they were. |
| 20:27.16 | uGexe | ok, will installing kernel-headers put the stuff in the build directory, or do I have to make a symbolic link somewhere? |
| 20:27.18 | S2B | hmm... |
| 20:27.32 | waxmop | here's the error: |
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| 20:27.32 | waxmop | [root@mwilson: 0.04] /home/matt |
| 20:27.32 | waxmop | $ apt-get install r5rs-doc |
| 20:27.34 | waxmop | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 20:27.34 | waxmop | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 20:27.37 | waxmop | Package r5rs-doc is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 20:27.39 | waxmop | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 20:27.42 | waxmop | is only available from another source |
| 20:27.44 | waxmop | E: Package r5rs-doc has no installation candidate |
| 20:27.46 | valdyn_ | S2B: www.dotdeb.org is fine, even though the website is down you can get the packages |
| 20:27.47 | waxmop | i can't install r5rs-doc, even after running apt-get update. |
| 20:28.04 | cat | install the other package |
| 20:28.13 | S2B | valdyn_: OK, I'll try this. |
| 20:28.34 | Tabitha | so.. question then.. is debsec providing updates for sarge yet? |
| 20:28.56 | waxmop | cat: which other package? |
| 20:29.00 | directhex | no |
| 20:29.04 | cat | Package r5rs-doc is not available, but is referred to by |
| 20:29.05 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:29.13 | directhex | Tabitha, when that happens, sarge starts getting released. |
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| 20:29.16 | waxmop | how to know what that is? |
| 20:29.18 | directhex | Tabitha, we're waiting. |
| 20:29.30 | Tabitha | directhex: I could have sworn they started with security updates before going stable. |
| 20:29.32 | greycat | directhex: or at least, "more frozen" |
| 20:29.39 | S2B | valdyn: Which package shall I download? |
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| 20:30.08 | directhex | greycat, the promise is N+30, though perhaps 'more frozen' si a good moniker |
| 20:30.10 | S2B | there are ~20 ^^ |
| 20:30.17 | takatumi | deep freeze |
| 20:30.18 | valdyn_ | S2B: you want just php4, correct? |
| 20:30.25 | S2B | yes |
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| 20:30.57 | S2B | what are all these packages used for? |
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| 20:31.45 | valdyn_ | S2B: ok, to keep it simple, just do what that website sais, add those lines to your sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get install php4 |
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| 20:32.37 | CPR | rou rou rou |
| 20:33.00 | FieldySnuts | @lart CPR |
| 20:33.01 | CPR | astalavista baby |
| 20:33.11 | S2B | valdyn_: I'll try^^ |
| 20:33.54 | CPR | ana |
| 20:33.55 | zOap | Anybody in here have problems with gdesklets and debian testing? |
| 20:34.03 | CPR | anabolizante |
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| 20:34.13 | directhex | zOap, always. t'is a broken POS |
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| 20:34.22 | greycat | CPR: /join #debian-br |
| 20:34.23 | CPR | parambole |
| 20:34.27 | zOap | direct: what you mean? |
| 20:34.28 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 20:34.29 | Cheetah | hey |
| 20:34.31 | Cheetah | I just wanted to hop in and say THANK YOU for Debian! |
| 20:34.41 | Cheetah | I'm very happy with it :D |
| 20:34.46 | CPR | rsrsr |
| 20:34.54 | CPR | say you |
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| 20:35.08 | CPR | dont`s no |
| 20:35.10 | zOap | directhex: what you mean, broken POS? |
| 20:35.18 | S2B | valdyn_: I downloaded the file to $HOME, what shall I do now? |
| 20:35.28 | directhex | zOap, gdesklets is always broken in one way or another |
| 20:35.28 | CPR | to you speak ingels |
| 20:35.40 | FieldySnuts | Eu n?o falo esta l?ngua. |
| 20:35.50 | valdyn_ | S2B: eh? |
| 20:35.50 | CPR | soc my egues |
| 20:35.58 | CPR | brazil |
| 20:36.04 | greycat | CPR: /join #debian-br |
| 20:36.05 | CPR | rsrsrsr |
| 20:36.07 | valdyn_ | S2B: what did you download? did you not do what i said? |
| 20:36.08 | zOap | directhex: ok:) |
| 20:36.10 | takatumi | Cheetah: fresh install? |
| 20:36.33 | Cheetah | takatumi, just installed it yeah |
| 20:36.34 | CPR | brazil |
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| 20:36.46 | S2B | valdyn_: You said above that I have to download the file into root... OK, I'll delete, sorry... |
| 20:36.50 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@201008077152.user.veloxzone.com.br] by greycat |
| 20:36.53 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 20:36.56 | Cheetah | i like the way you can handle packages (apt), i used to run suse in my past |
| 20:36.58 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 20:37.08 | valdyn_ | S2B: no i didnt, i said being logged in as root is stupid |
| 20:37.10 | takatumi | Cheetah: sarge? /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:37.27 | valdyn_ | S2B: I said: just do what that website sais, add those lines to your sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get install php4 |
| 20:37.28 | Cheetah | woody |
| 20:37.29 | Cheetah | 3.0 |
| 20:37.31 | Cheetah | r4 |
| 20:37.48 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate CPR |
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| 20:37.51 | ravenbird | !irritate CPR |
| 20:37.51 | dpkg | CPR: Y iz debain so old? who uses cable ???/ |
| 20:37.55 | zOap | directhex, you know of any other software which does somewhat the same as gdesklets, for gnome? |
| 20:38.07 | greycat | FieldySnuts: don't irritate the +q'd. |
| 20:38.16 | FieldySnuts | oh didn't see he was +q |
| 20:38.31 | S2B | valdyn_: I did something wrong. How can I delete this file? |
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| 20:38.50 | FieldySnuts | it's Phateds fault anyway |
| 20:39.04 | valdyn_ | S2B: rm <file> |
| 20:39.18 | greycat | S2B: please go to the nearest good bookstore and buy a unix book. |
| 20:39.18 | zOap | anyone know of a package which does something as the same as gdesklets? |
| 20:39.26 | greycat | I wish I could recommend specific titles, but I can't. |
| 20:39.27 | S2B | valdyn_: By the way, I can't see anything on the site that shows me how to do it. Which site do you mean? |
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| 20:39.30 | AndrewHarm | hi all, can I also ask some questions about wmaker ? |
| 20:39.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: OMG you found my secret place!! |
| 20:39.32 | abrotman | zOap: be more vague |
| 20:39.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah .. i actually had a windows question :) |
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| 20:39.50 | takatumi | S2B: and consider dumping that vserver and run your own debian server. |
| 20:39.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: go ahead, i'm the specialist for www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg |
| 20:39.56 | S2B | greycat: I know. I'll do it. I have the vServer since Saturday. ;) |
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| 20:40.09 | valdyn_ | S2B: www.dotdeb.org. Also read what greycat said, you will have way to much trouble in the future if you dont know the very basic stuff.. |
| 20:40.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's a lot of sunshine there |
| 20:40.17 | LittleBoy | my debian install only shows my hdd as 137GB even though it is 200 are there any ways to fix this with a upgrade or semething? |
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| 20:40.37 | zOap | abrot: hehe, I have serious problems with gdesklets, so I need a package which can sit in with desktop. and show system info, maildir and so on.. |
| 20:40.40 | abrotman | LittleBoy: uname -r |
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| 20:40.45 | kane | hi ... can someone help me setup a local file apt repository ? somehow, the method mentioned in the debian repository howto doesnt work |
| 20:40.45 | zOap | abrotman,^ |
| 20:40.50 | abrotman | zOap: gkrellm maybe? |
| 20:41.00 | greycat | LittleBoy: you need a newer kernel. |
| 20:41.05 | AndrewHarm | after displaying a window, I chose Window attributes and disabled title-bar and resize-bar, how to have it displayed again ? |
| 20:41.07 | zOap | ok, ill try that abrot, |
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| 20:41.08 | LittleBoy | okay, and how to get that? |
| 20:41.09 | greycat | woody's 2.4.18 can't see disks bigger than 137 GB properly |
| 20:41.31 | greycat | LittleBoy: either install (or update to) sarge instead of woody, or build a custom 2.4.29 in woody |
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| 20:41.44 | S2B | valdyn_: I know... |
| 20:42.01 | S2B | valdyn_: I'll buy a book if I have money... |
| 20:42.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know, switzerland, http://artfloor.ur.ru/wow/ |
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| 20:42.33 | LittleBoy | greycat a little n00b to this, how do i upgrade to it, last time it upgraded by it self |
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| 20:42.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: looks like a boxter :) |
| 20:43.01 | directhex | !woody hardware support |
| 20:43.02 | dpkg | woody hardware support is, like, firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 20:43.12 | greycat | LittleBoy: /msg dpkg d-i or /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 20:43.57 | directhex | dpkg, woody hardware support =~ s/ATA\), /ATA\), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), / |
| 20:43.57 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'ATA\), ', directhex |
| 20:44.01 | directhex | meh |
| 20:44.06 | blight | Is there a recommended way to setup iptables on debian ... a decent howto somewhere? |
| 20:44.13 | directhex | dpkg, woody hardware support =~ s/ATA), /ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), / |
| 20:44.13 | dpkg | directhex: OK |
| 20:44.18 | directhex | !woody hardware support |
| 20:44.18 | dpkg | hmm... woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 20:44.28 | S2B | valdyn_: Sorry, how can I edit the file? |
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| 20:44.59 | abrotman | blight: in the documentation |
| 20:45.05 | abrotman | blight: or netfilter.org |
| 20:45.58 | insanekane | is there a good howto/tutorial on setting up a local file repository ? the method mentioned in the debian howto doesnt seem to work ... |
| 20:46.27 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 20:46.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:46.37 | greycat | S2B: if you don't know any unix text editors yet, try nano |
| 20:46.46 | insanekane | that is the line in my sources.list -> deb file:/usr/local dpkg/ |
| 20:47.02 | insanekane | this is the error i get -> http://www.ece.villanova.edu/~thanneru/zeroesAndOnes.html |
| 20:47.04 | insanekane | err |
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| 20:47.14 | insanekane | this is the error i get -> Failed to fetch file:///usr/local/dpkg//usr/local/dpkg/kfloppy_3.3.1-1_i386.deb File not found |
| 20:47.29 | blight | abrotman: which documentation ... the "Debian Installation Manual" doesn't say much neither does "Debian Reference" or "Debian Linux User's Guide" or "securing Debian Manual" |
| 20:47.39 | abrotman | insanekane: carefully look at that url ? |
| 20:47.48 | insanekane | i also tried putting deb file:///usr/local dpkg/ |
| 20:47.53 | abrotman | blight: /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 20:47.56 | insanekane | abrotman: whats wrong with it ? |
| 20:48.05 | abrotman | insanekane: do you have /usr/local/dpkg/usr/local/dpkg ? |
| 20:48.15 | insanekane | abrotman: nope |
| 20:48.19 | abrotman | well .. hmmm |
| 20:48.21 | abrotman | i wonder what's wrong :) |
| 20:48.42 | insanekane | abrotman: but according to the howto, the line in sources.list is as Ive put it ... |
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| 20:48.58 | abrotman | it what? |
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| 20:49.05 | insanekane | abrotman: obviosly that is the error ... the question is how do i fix it ? |
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| 20:49.21 | abrotman | insanekane: i've never attmepted what you're doing .. |
| 20:49.28 | insanekane | abrotman: deb file:///usr/local dpkg |
| 20:49.33 | strubbel | is a person who is fit with diald reading? |
| 20:49.34 | insanekane | abrotman: oh ok |
| 20:49.36 | Yildirim | hi |
| 20:49.45 | abrotman | insanekane: but that url is clearly wrong somehw |
| 20:49.47 | greycat | strubbel: no. they all committed ritual suicide long ago. |
| 20:50.03 | strubbel | greycat: huhuhuhu |
| 20:50.07 | greycat | strubbel: or, more likely, got broadband. |
| 20:50.13 | strubbel | greycat: :) |
| 20:50.16 | abrotman | insanekane: did you create your Packages file incorrectly? |
| 20:50.26 | insanekane | abrotman: yes, that is the error ... but i dont know how to fix it ... iread the man page for sources.list also |
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| 20:50.42 | blight | abrotman: thanks, but I've no problems with iptables, just looking for something with a Debian flavour ... anyway ... |
| 20:50.42 | _d4v3_ | hi |
| 20:50.48 | insanekane | abrotman: well, i dont know what incorrectly *is* ... i just followed the howto |
| 20:51.09 | takatumi | blight: try firehol |
| 20:51.10 | insanekane | abrotman: dpkg-scanpackages /usr/local/dpkg /dev/null | gzip > /usr/local/dpkg/Packages.gz |
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| 20:51.20 | oskie | i have a machine with eth0 and eth0:1. .. when i make outgoing connections from it, it seems to use the IP of eth0:1 .. is there a way to control that? |
| 20:51.21 | Yildirim | hi how can i delete all of the .mp3 file thats located on my server? |
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| 20:51.42 | greycat | Yildirim: find / -name '*.mp3' -exec rm {} \; |
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| 20:51.55 | tr | is there any bootcds for debian as I no longer have a linux loader start up at the beginning? |
| 20:51.56 | S2B | valdyn_: It doesn't work... :( |
| 20:52.05 | abrotman | blight: netfilter.org has tons of howtos |
| 20:52.14 | abrotman | insanekane: seems right enough to me .. |
| 20:52.25 | greycat | tr: the one you installed from, usually, although there seems to be some functionality missing from the sarge d-i netinstall images.. |
| 20:52.28 | vulture | tr: the first of the install CDs will work fine as a rescue |
| 20:52.31 | Yildirim | greycat, thanx.. |
| 20:52.34 | insanekane | abrotman: yes ... it was lifted from the howto |
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| 20:53.11 | abrotman | insanekane: but isn't that goung to put an absolute URL in the packages file ... but try to use it from /usr/local/dpkg ? |
| 20:53.16 | tr | greycat, I used sarge yes, as long as I can just boot to debian and re-install lilo thatd be nice :) btw. what is the program name with what I can reinstall lilo (or whatever it was called in debian) |
| 20:53.26 | insanekane | abrotman: i dont know really ... |
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| 20:53.33 | greycat | tr: sarge uses GRUB by default |
| 20:53.36 | CSWookie_ | Can someone reccomend simple mailing list software? |
| 20:53.39 | abrotman | mailman |
| 20:53.46 | CSWookie_ | That works well with exim. |
| 20:53.54 | CSWookie_ | abrotman: Thank you. |
| 20:53.55 | insanekane | abrotman: thats why i need help with this ... its the first time im setting up a repository |
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| 20:54.06 | vircuser | hey I'm about to use jigdo to download the Debian ISO.. but each "CD" on the server is only listed at 3.9-15.8mb is that correct? |
| 20:54.21 | dondelelcaro | vircuser: that's how big the .template files are. |
| 20:54.29 | S2B | valdyn_: Sorry, it works! I had to restart the server. Thanks! :) :) |
| 20:54.33 | tr | greycat, thanks, this should get me going again :) |
| 20:54.42 | vircuser | So it downloads the templates and then decompiles them or something? |
| 20:54.48 | valdyn_ | !win S2B |
| 20:54.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, S2B! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 20:54.49 | abrotman | CSWookie_: well .. i know it works well with postfix .. never used it with exim |
| 20:54.51 | S2B | valdyn_: I'll buy a book in the next days. ;) |
| 20:55.06 | abrotman | insanekane: i'd go back .. double check . and if need be .. find another howto |
| 20:55.13 | S2B | dpkg: Thanks! :D |
| 20:55.13 | dpkg | S2B: no problem |
| 20:55.19 | abrotman | !repository howto |
| 20:55.19 | dpkg | i heard repository howto is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 20:55.37 | insanekane | abrotman: ok ... but ive been trying all day now ... almost 20 times ive tried this ... |
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| 20:55.42 | directhex | vircuser, make sure you get the debian version appropriate to you. i.e. sarge in most cases |
| 20:55.45 | dondelelcaro | CSWookie_: it works with anything that actually handles aliases correctly |
| 20:55.50 | insanekane | abrotman: yes, thats the howto im following |
| 20:55.56 | S2B | OK, I have to go now. Cu... |
| 20:56.00 | strubbel | diald tries to call 192.168.64.2 the remote sl0 site i configured and of course says device busy (the device has been set up by itself), instead it should use pppd if i force up a connection. what's wrong? |
| 20:56.30 | takatumi | insanekane: try http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr/?page=debrepository |
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| 20:56.54 | vircuser | directhex; I dont see anything that says Sarge I'm going into the i386 directory |
| 20:57.02 | insanekane | takatumi: ok i will |
| 20:57.11 | vircuser | directhex; Just thought it was strange that the largest file is 15mb |
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| 20:57.28 | directhex | vircuser, is this for a forward-facing server built from hardware 3 years old or older? |
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| 20:58.00 | vircuser | oh crap thats not x86 is it |
| 20:58.09 | vircuser | no, just an everyday P4 |
| 20:58.12 | vircuser | home PC |
| 20:58.30 | greycat | !i386 |
| 20:58.30 | dpkg | it has been said that i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
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| 20:58.42 | takatumi | vircuser: what kind of network do you have? |
| 20:58.46 | vircuser | yeah exactly |
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| 20:58.56 | directhex | !woody hardware support |
| 20:58.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
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| 20:59.00 | vircuser | tak; I'm just wanting to learn how to use Debian |
| 20:59.01 | directhex | vircuser, does the above apply? |
| 20:59.25 | vircuser | Ive got above a Gef4.. |
| 20:59.28 | takatumi | vircuser: what kind of internet connection do you have? |
| 20:59.29 | greycat | if you're learning, use sarge. |
| 20:59.33 | vircuser | tak' dsl |
| 20:59.39 | greycat | you only want woody for a production server |
| 20:59.48 | directhex | !d-i |
| 20:59.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:59.51 | takatumi | vircuser: usb or eth? |
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| 20:59.55 | vircuser | eth |
| 21:00.06 | directhex | vircuser, go there, download cd1, or the 110mb net install iso. |
| 21:00.11 | takatumi | vircuser: then read what dpkg said above. |
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| 21:00.37 | vircuser | got it |
| 21:00.38 | vircuser | thanks guys |
| 21:00.48 | vircuser | Do I need to parition myself or does it have an autoparititoner? |
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| 21:01.02 | directhex | it can do it automagically. |
| 21:01.04 | orjan | I get an error from mutt when I put: source ~/.mutt/aliases. Error is wrong argument source. The file exists. What to check? |
| 21:01.08 | vircuser | k |
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| 21:01.27 | vircuser | #debian-boot is for newbie ?'s? |
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| 21:02.25 | abrotman | any of you konw where that list of certified unixes is? |
| 21:02.43 | vircuser | the govt certified ones? |
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| 21:02.49 | vezult | certified how? |
| 21:02.52 | abrotman | the opengroup certified ones |
| 21:02.56 | vircuser | oh |
| 21:03.01 | greycat | google? |
| 21:03.02 | abrotman | the ones that are legally allowed to say they are unix(tm) |
| 21:03.05 | directhex | abrotman, 'solaris 9' |
| 21:03.05 | abrotman | yeah .. tried that |
| 21:03.11 | directhex | abrotman, there you go |
| 21:03.19 | abrotman | there are lots of them |
| 21:03.27 | fwe | how do i mount a memory stick on usb? |
| 21:03.34 | abrotman | !usb-storage |
| 21:03.34 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 21:03.48 | vircuser | holy crap theres 12 CD's |
| 21:03.49 | greycat | don't forget your *hci driver |
| 21:03.57 | greycat | vircuser: more than that, for sarge. less for woody. |
| 21:04.00 | directhex | vircuser, so get cd1 |
| 21:04.07 | vircuser | just 1? |
| 21:04.09 | greycat | get the net install, or CD #1 |
| 21:04.15 | vircuser | k |
| 21:04.24 | vezult | abrotman: http://www.opengroup.org/certification/registers.html |
| 21:04.24 | strubbel | where can i get help for diald? |
| 21:04.27 | vircuser | DOes it explain what the different packages are? |
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| 21:04.50 | directhex | abrotman, which grade of unix cert? unix98, unix03, etc? |
| 21:05.16 | fwe | abrotman: thanks, had a typo |
| 21:05.27 | vezult | directhex: all of those should be at the url i gave |
| 21:05.47 | directhex | vezult, you're right. yay for unix03's many certified products |
| 21:06.00 | MrKennie_ | I'm having problems with a pppoa and the accessrunner.. doing pppd call myprovider just runs and eits immediatly, no errors nothing, any ideas? |
| 21:06.17 | greycat | "unix03" is what they *actually* called it? |
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| 21:06.29 | greycat | my god... "Hi, 3 years after Y2K, we're STILL DOING IT!" |
| 21:06.37 | directhex | greycat, of course. sequel to unix98! |
| 21:06.40 | thegraham | when I try to make the driver for my ipw2200 wireless card I get an error: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. Where is this directory located? It exists in fedora core. |
| 21:06.49 | greycat | "come get your software full of arbitrary limits and 1960s COBOL style lame programming!" |
| 21:06.49 | abrotman | directhex: well .. someone was trying to tell me that Linux was Unix .. which i know that it is not .. becuase iirc .. it was a big deal when OSX became a Unix(tm) but linux wasn't |
| 21:07.15 | abrotman | greycat: doesn't matter .. when does the world end .. 2039? |
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| 21:07.29 | Delph | greycat: it's not an arbitary limit; its job security. |
| 21:07.45 | FieldySnuts | there's somebody who's been in the field too long |
| 21:07.52 | FieldySnuts | clap |
| 21:07.59 | yalu | is the mysql benchmark suite pacakged for debian? |
| 21:08.03 | directhex | abrotman, osx isn't unix(tm). apple defined the open group, used the trademarfk without permission |
| 21:08.04 | greycat | abrotman: Jan. 2038. |
| 21:08.21 | abrotman | directhex: ah .. but i'm still looking for that link :) |
| 21:08.29 | directhex | *defied |
| 21:08.33 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a gpu war |
| 21:08.34 | ravenbird | ATI's drivers suck, try nVidia instead |
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| 21:09.03 | directhex | he speaks the truth! |
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| 21:09.07 | thegraham | ravenbird: the new radeon drivers (open) are quite good for slightly older radeon cards and do ok 3d |
| 21:09.08 | ravenbird | thegraham: okay |
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| 21:09.21 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: forget the new radeon drivers (open) |
| 21:09.21 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: i didn't have anything called 'the new radeon drivers (open)' |
| 21:09.22 | greycat | ravenbird: forget the new radeon drivers (open) |
| 21:09.24 | abrotman | directhex: but what vezult was as close as i'll get i guess |
| 21:09.25 | Phated | FieldySnuts: How's it my fault? |
| 21:09.26 | directhex | abrotman, http://www.opengroup.org/comm/newsletter/2003/05.htm#ceo |
| 21:09.27 | FieldySnuts | uh ookay |
| 21:09.36 | greycat | Phated: because! |
| 21:09.44 | Phated | greycat: No fair! |
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| 21:09.55 | directhex | oh, bah, dead link |
| 21:09.58 | abrotman | yeah it is |
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| 21:11.23 | directhex | abrotman, gah, 12 moth limit on archived newsletters |
| 21:11.25 | nvz | Phated: life isnt fair. all you can do is count the cards, play the game, and hope that when its your turn, the odds are in your favor :) |
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| 21:11.37 | abrotman | directhex: yeah .. i think i noticed |
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| 21:11.48 | Phated | nvz: It's not even fair to deal the cards while a player's in the shower, isn't it. |
| 21:11.56 | nvz | heh |
| 21:12.05 | directhex | Phated's in the shower? :o 8D |
| 21:12.14 | FieldySnuts | *was* |
| 21:12.16 | Phated | Obviously not now. |
| 21:12.16 | nvz | also helps to learn to play the short stack, cause the odds arent always in your favor |
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| 21:12.35 | abrotman | nice to see that Phated's house is wired enough to allow computers in the shower |
| 21:12.52 | directhex | abrotman, and webcams! |
| 21:13.04 | elho | hi is there any docs on the debian-installer evms module? (or is it known that it does not work on 2.6 using rc2?) |
| 21:13.04 | greycat | we need a non-fogging lens. |
| 21:13.08 | abrotman | but if phated takes us to the crapper .. big trouble!!! |
| 21:13.08 | Phated | No bloody webcams are in my house. |
| 21:13.13 | Weems | apt fails when i try to run libxv, and then I cant install anything else because there are dependencies |
| 21:13.14 | apt | Weems: what are you talking about? |
| 21:13.17 | FieldySnuts | .... |
| 21:13.19 | directhex | greycat, i'll get someone on it. |
| 21:13.23 | Weems | totem needs libxv |
| 21:13.25 | greycat | !tell Weems about errors |
| 21:13.28 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: wenas how to fix cable lol???? |
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| 21:14.39 | insanekane | abrotman: one more question, if you dont mind: suppose i have a package called xxx in my local repos, as well as in the debian mirror repository (both of which are in the sources.list) ... then, when i do apt-get install, from where will the xxx.deb be picked up ? from my local or from the debian mirror ? is it dependent on which repos is listed first in the sources.list ? |
| 21:14.43 | directhex | greycat, want any other cameras fitted whilst they're at it? |
| 21:14.50 | nvz | I was just watching some dramatic comedy on comedy central.. not sure what it was called, but I think I should actally see the whole movie sometime |
| 21:15.07 | abrotman | insanekane: more than likely . the newest unless another package rqeuires a certain version |
| 21:15.09 | directhex | insanekane, apt-cache policy foopackage. highest number (e.g. 550) gets installed. |
| 21:15.09 | greycat | directhex: you got the one in the bedroom ceiling, right? |
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| 21:15.27 | directhex | greycat, always. |
| 21:15.40 | tazle | hmm |
| 21:16.06 | tr | what would I write to the sarge netinst cd prompt if I dont want to install debian but run it from hda |
| 21:16.12 | insanekane | directhex: how do i ensure that if xxx is in both repos, that it will be picked up from my local repos ? |
| 21:16.33 | Phated | Good lord, we get xx on the reps now? |
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| 21:16.36 | Phated | xxx. |
| 21:16.39 | tazle | "Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to send; errno = Invalid argument |
| 21:16.40 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 21:16.41 | directhex | insanekane, you can force a version with apt-get install foo=1.2.3 |
| 21:16.43 | greycat | tr: did "linux root=/dev/hda1" work, or did it fail because of initrd issues? |
| 21:16.43 | Phated | Not Hilton xxx, pleaase. |
| 21:16.44 | directhex | Phated, hot-babe |
| 21:16.47 | tazle | " says ypbind when trying to start |
| 21:16.57 | Phated | directhex: Haha. |
| 21:17.00 | tr | greycat, havent tried, its been awhile :) -> |
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| 21:17.09 | insanekane | directhex, the version on the debian repos and in my local are the same ... |
| 21:17.25 | greycat | tazle: remove firewall, install portmap, install nis, make sure there's an NIS server on the LOCAL SEGMENT to answer the queries... |
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| 21:17.37 | abrotman | insanekane: why do you have two then? |
| 21:17.40 | insanekane | directhex, basically, i took the sources from the debian repos, added a couple of patches, and made my own packages ... |
| 21:17.46 | tazle | greycat: hmm, firewal |
| 21:17.51 | abrotman | insanekane: then bump the version number |
| 21:17.51 | tazle | I thought I didn't have any |
| 21:17.52 | insanekane | directhex, but i didnt change any of the version strings |
| 21:17.54 | TheTom | anyone use a Toshiba stallite 2800-* that can comment on this? i friend wonder's if he'll not get sound working if he installs linux on his machine: http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_s2800_500_e.html#ToC20 |
| 21:17.56 | abrotman | insanekane: or append something to it |
| 21:18.03 | abrotman | !laptops |
| 21:18.03 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 21:18.06 | insanekane | abrotman: umm :) ... |
| 21:18.12 | abrotman | insanekane: ? |
| 21:18.27 | insanekane | abrotman: to tell you the truth ... i dont know how to do this :) i very new at this ... sorry |
| 21:18.40 | abrotman | insanekane: you want the manual? :) |
| 21:18.52 | insanekane | abrotman: the manual ? |
| 21:18.54 | AndrewHarm | !acpi |
| 21:18.54 | dpkg | somebody said acpi was Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken, for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/, or patches at acpi.sf.netl.org), or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 21:19.17 | abrotman | insanekane: if you /msg dpkg nm .. there should be link to how to create a package |
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| 21:19.31 | insanekane | abrotman: ok, i will try |
| 21:19.38 | lobomufas | hi |
| 21:20.00 | tr | greycat, kernel panics after not finding hda1, even though i installed debian as an only os to the first and only HD :< |
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| 21:20.04 | tr | should be /dev/hda1 |
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| 21:20.17 | greycat | tr: sounds like an initrd problem. can you use the woody cd as a rescue for now? |
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| 21:20.28 | kc9ddi | Has anyone ever used a PCI-Express network card under Linux? Any recommendations for brands/chipsets/etc? |
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| 21:20.38 | tr | greycat, I can try if I can find a correct one somewhere ;) |
| 21:21.01 | directhex | kc9ddi, i've heard nothing, other than that there's early pcie graphics support for some card sin some properietary drivers |
| 21:21.38 | kc9ddi | directhex, yeah, I've seen these, I don't know about NIC's though... |
| 21:22.23 | joebob2000 | what stops bind from accepting alternate TLDs that i set up as local masters? |
| 21:22.41 | tazle | greycat: hm, should ypbind communicate with portmap through ip or unix sockets? |
| 21:22.54 | greycat | tazle: unix sockets are restricted to the local host |
| 21:22.56 | joebob2000 | i had a private.lan def and it worked until i applied a new list of root servers |
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| 21:23.06 | greycat | tazle: portmap/NIS/NFS is all UDP |
| 21:23.21 | tazle | greycat: it seems to be trying to connect to local portmap |
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| 21:24.04 | tazle | hmm, no |
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| 21:24.59 | tazle | greycat: does debian have some default firewall rules that I'm not aware of? |
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| 21:25.09 | insanekane | abrotman: you mean developer's reference ? |
| 21:25.21 | abrotman | insanekane: i think that's what you want |
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| 21:25.31 | insanekane | abrotman: wow ... its huge ... |
| 21:25.36 | abrotman | insanekane: for a reason :) |
| 21:25.41 | sepski | tazle, debian ave many options of firewalls if you have installed one of them they might have default rules |
| 21:25.49 | abrotman | insanekane: you can probably quickly gloss ovr it and find the part you need |
| 21:26.13 | tazle | sepski: I haven't knowingly installed any, my kernel also lacks iptables support altogether |
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| 21:26.33 | insanekane | abrotman: im looking ... nothing at first glance |
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| 21:26.37 | sepski | then no there is no firewall rules |
| 21:26.51 | dav89 | how can i install xchat throut apt-get with ipv6 support? |
| 21:26.52 | S2B | new problem :( |
| 21:26.53 | tazle | indeed |
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| 21:27.11 | LoRez | dav89: it should be in there already. |
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| 21:27.13 | tazle | which makes me wonder why I can't connect to a socket that should be listening according to netstat |
| 21:27.14 | greycat | dav89: add an IPv6 source to sources.list |
| 21:27.15 | Cabbage | Hello, where is the best place to ask questions about "gettext"? |
| 21:27.22 | greycat | Cabbage: #c possibly |
| 21:27.29 | Cabbage | Ta |
| 21:27.30 | dav89 | greycat: how? |
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| 21:27.42 | greycat | dav89: how the hell should *I* know? is there one listed in the mirrors list? |
| 21:27.42 | sepski | tazle, hosts.allow /hosts.deny ? |
| 21:28.01 | tazle | sepski: hmm |
| 21:28.28 | directhex | xchat in sarge has ipv6 support -_- |
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| 21:28.40 | St0n3-C0l | How can i set my Time ?? |
| 21:28.42 | St0n3-C0l | and date |
| 21:28.46 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 21:28.46 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers exactly, respectively. |
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| 21:29.39 | St0n3-C0l | ahan |
| 21:30.03 | St0n3-C0l | there's no option comes like 'Adjust Date & Time' in Gnome's clock |
| 21:30.04 | greycat | (and don't forget to run tzconfig first, and to make sure you have the right setting for UTC in /etc/default/rcS) |
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| 21:30.34 | greycat | St0n3-C0l: why *would* there be? gnome runs as you, not root, and only root can fuck with the clock. |
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| 21:31.27 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: set time =~ s#tively.#tively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.# |
| 21:31.28 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 21:31.38 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 21:31.39 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers exactly, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 21:32.08 | St0n3-C0l | Date done |
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| 21:32.31 | St0n3-C0l | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' => this error comes when I type 'time' command |
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| 21:32.42 | greycat | St0n3-C0l: READ the damned factoid. |
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| 21:32.57 | S2B | I installed php4 from dotdeb.org on my Debian 3.0 vServer, but now the mysql-functions doesn't work. :( |
| 21:32.58 | St0n3-C0l | tzconfig is correct |
| 21:33.00 | kc9ddi | Is there a "Debian Way" to enale Java on sarge? Specifically, so it works with firefox? |
| 21:33.07 | greycat | kc9ddi: /msg dpkg java |
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| 21:33.20 | tag | don't listen to them, dpkg isn't that helpful |
| 21:33.31 | kc9ddi | Just install the usual java stuff? Anything else I need to do firefox-specific? |
| 21:33.32 | greycat | !java |
| 21:33.32 | dpkg | java is probably a platform independent OO language. People usually associate Java with eye-candy applets, this is in fact a relatively weak use of Java. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere |
| 21:33.35 | St0n3-C0l | eh |
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| 21:33.46 | kc9ddi | tag, dpkg is a very useful bot - check it first |
| 21:34.00 | kc9ddi | greycat, and firefox will "just work"> |
| 21:34.01 | kc9ddi | ? |
| 21:34.03 | greycat | kc9ddi: /msg dpkg java licensing /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:34.07 | dondelelcaro | St0n3-C0l: did you see the middle part of the factoid? 'ntpdate' and 'ntp-simple'... |
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| 21:34.29 | greycat | kc9ddi: if you refuse to fucking READ what we TELL YOU to read, why do you think we're going to react kindly to your subsequent questions? |
| 21:34.42 | scol | hi, is it "legitim" to put a command for putting the uptime into a file before shutdown in /etc/init.d/halt ? |
| 21:35.00 | greycat | scol: it's a config file, so you're allowed to edit it, yes. |
| 21:35.00 | nvz | scol: uptime > file |
| 21:35.01 | dondelelcaro | scol: what would be the point? |
| 21:35.04 | St0n3-C0l | yeah wait |
| 21:35.09 | St0n3-C0l | i wrote ntupdate eh :P |
| 21:35.20 | kc9ddi | greycat, I HAVE read it all - I checked all of dpkg's relevent java factoid before posting here. My question is what specifically needs to be done for Firefox to utilize the installed Java? |
| 21:35.28 | kc9ddi | or does anything need to be done? |
| 21:35.34 | scol | which point dondelelcaro ? |
| 21:35.44 | LoRez | scol: try the uptime daemon aka ud |
| 21:35.50 | scol | ah ^^ sry my english is not that good..yeah thnx for you help |
| 21:36.02 | greycat | kc9ddi: when you BUILD the special java DEBIAN PACKAGES using MAKE-JPKG, then yes, they will automatically symlink from the Firefox plugins directory. SHEESH! Did you even bother to fucking TRY IT FIRST?! |
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| 21:36.23 | greycat | !kill kc9ddi |
| 21:36.35 | S2B | they work, bye... |
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| 21:36.47 | kc9ddi | greycat, thank you - and no, I didn't bother to try it first. Calm down, you're going to encounter stupider questions on occasion |
| 21:36.55 | xamxus | can somebody help with fixing GRUB in my Debian installation? |
| 21:37.12 | greycat | kc9ddi: when they reach a certain threshold of stupidity, they get +q'd. |
| 21:37.15 | nvz | you know when I upgraded my uncles laptop today I noticed when configuring chrootkit it now has an option to run it from cron.daily .. after I had already setup my own script to do that and put the logs in his homedir :P |
| 21:37.17 | asg | kc9ddi: 1) does putting 'about:plugins' in the URL entry area show that java is set up? 2) if yes, is java enabled in your preferences |
| 21:37.24 | dondelelcaro | xamxus: just ask your question |
| 21:37.26 | kc9ddi | greycat, so go ahead a +q, I don't really care |
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| 21:38.30 | xamxus | I installed another distro, but it deleted my GRUB install. I just deleted the second distro and I now just want to be able to boot into debian again. How do I fix this? |
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| 21:38.48 | rellik | is there a neat way to make a backup of my ipod before I start manually editing DB files on it? I have it mounted, but 'cp -R * ~/ipod_backup' is the only thing that comes to mind.. some way to make a single-file backup maybe? |
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| 21:39.06 | nvz | rellik: tar |
| 21:39.08 | dondelelcaro | xamxus: you boot off of your isntall media with an appropriate root= option, and rerun grub from inside Debian. |
| 21:39.14 | Thaiger | How do I play CDs from XMMS, I thought I did it before but now it doesn't seem to work |
| 21:39.15 | asg | xamxus: use a rescue disc to get back to your debian setup. Run grub-install |
| 21:39.20 | sepski | xamxus, i have a flopyp with grub on it for just such occasions, you can probably google for that |
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| 21:39.27 | greycat | Thaiger: it's not worth the effort. try cdcd or grip instead. |
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| 21:39.37 | rellik | nvz: ah yeah, of course :) thanks |
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| 21:39.53 | Thaiger | greycat: I could swear it was easy before but I'll give those a try |
| 21:39.57 | nvz | rellik: np, tar -cz or something would do it. |
| 21:40.09 | greycat | dondelelcaro: is it actually *possible* to do a rescue from the sarge d-i netinstall ISO? It doesn't seem to be... |
| 21:40.23 | greycat | dondelelcaro: since it's all initrd-ified, you can't even do a simple "linux root=/dev/hda1" |
| 21:40.28 | kc9ddi | Thaiger, xmms /cdrom (or xmms /path/to/your/cdrom) should do the trick |
| 21:41.02 | Thaiger | lol, oops didn't have permissions to it ^_^ |
| 21:41.05 | xamxus | dondelecarlo, how do I boot into debian with the net install cd for Sarge. Where can I read about this? |
| 21:41.05 | asg | greycat: you follow the prompts until it gets the 'futzing with your disc' part. Pop to tty2. start mounting your old partitions |
| 21:41.07 | dondelelcaro | greycat: dunno... worst comes to worst though, you can boot and mount in /tmp or something |
| 21:41.15 | asg | greycat: not elegant, but it works |
| 21:41.24 | kc9ddi | Thaiger, not the /dev entry, either - its mount point (but don't mount it) |
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| 21:42.10 | sepski | ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ grab a grub floppy, boot on it, it even gives you hd autocompleation and is dead easy when you boot into your debian you install grub from there the regular way |
| 21:42.10 | Pendragon | I have a problem with debuild |
| 21:42.15 | SubSpawn | is there a way to check your / (excluding /home and /var/log and such) against dpkg -l ? So I can list "evil"-non-apt-get files ? Does anyone have a script for that ? |
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| 21:42.26 | tag | What I don't get is if this directory exists: ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/dists/unstable/non-free/binary-i386/, then why doesn't this sources.list entry work: deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ unstable non-free |
| 21:42.27 | dondelelcaro | SubSpawn: cruft will do that |
| 21:42.29 | Pendragon | it creates all of the files perfectly, and runs the postinst and preinst files like it should |
| 21:42.34 | greycat | SubSpawn: cruft, debsums |
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| 21:42.43 | Pendragon | but it only copys directories into /etc/$program not files |
| 21:42.46 | Pendragon | any ideas? |
| 21:42.53 | SubSpawn | ah.. ok tnx :) |
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| 21:43.13 | Pendragon | SubSpawn |
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| 21:43.19 | Pendragon | you can specify in aptitude |
| 21:43.22 | Pendragon | packages to ignore |
| 21:43.31 | baz | was samba updated recently in sarge? samba is dead here |
| 21:43.31 | Pendragon | I don't know how to do it with dpkg though |
| 21:43.34 | Pendragon | I am new |
| 21:43.37 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: eh? what about debuild? |
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| 21:43.43 | SubSpawn | ah ok tnx |
| 21:43.48 | tag | aha it did work it just took like 40 tries |
| 21:43.55 | Pendragon | when I use it to make a package, the package doesn't install right |
| 21:44.08 | asg | nvz: what are you working on now? |
| 21:44.09 | Pendragon | it does everything except... copy files to /etc/$program |
| 21:44.20 | baz | nmbd and smbd are both up and running, but their ports are closed |
| 21:44.26 | Pendragon | it does however copy all of the paths and sub dirs into /etc/$program |
| 21:44.31 | baz | smbpasswd can't even connect to 127.0.0.1 on the server |
| 21:44.36 | Pendragon | just no files in the dirs or subdirs |
| 21:44.41 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: debuild just builds a package. It has nothing to do with which directories in /etc are made and whether or not configuration files are installed into them |
| 21:44.44 | baz | nmap confirms they're closed, even though the daemons are running |
| 21:44.45 | asg | baz: then have a look at the logs and see if anything is awry |
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| 21:44.47 | xamxus | dondelecarlo, can I boot into debian with a net install CD? |
| 21:44.58 | Pendragon | I know, that is the conffiles file |
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| 21:45.01 | Pendragon | and it is right, |
| 21:45.05 | baz | asg: not entirely sure what I'm looking for. the nmbd and smbd logs look fine |
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| 21:45.08 | nvz | asg: nothing I was just sitting and I took my capo off and stummed a D chord and for some reason tried to play Sweet Home Alabama, and I just keep muting things out trying to to the hammer ons and pull offs its terrible :P |
| 21:45.18 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: stick your .orig.tar.gz, your .dsc, and your .diff.gz up somewhere. |
| 21:45.22 | asg | nvz: hah :) |
| 21:45.30 | |rufius| | baz: check hosts.deny & hosts.allow |
| 21:45.30 | nvz | asg: not to mention I dont know how the song goes cept it seems to go something like D, C, G |
| 21:45.31 | Pendragon | they are |
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| 21:46.01 | baz | |rufius|: I've never touched those files, this server's been solid for months :| |
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| 21:46.11 | asg | baz: nothing about "can't bind to interface, something is already there" ? |
| 21:46.21 | christor | Please , I would like to listen streaming radio (mms:// ) using a proxy but it doesn t woorrk , someone has an idea? |
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| 21:46.34 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 21:46.34 | baz | ok log.smbd only has 1 entry for today, not an error - log.nmbd has a few but none of them look like errors |
| 21:46.35 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little thermal paste, and a dozen rabid oxen. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 21:46.43 | debian_novice | hey is aMSN more secure than Gaim? |
| 21:46.45 | Pendragon | dondelecaro, they are packaged all, I can run dpkg -i on the .deb file, it just doesn't all work right |
| 21:47.03 | asg | nvz: been working on 'Sea of Madness' here (Maiden) |
| 21:47.11 | baz | asg: no, looking in the individual client logs now |
| 21:47.14 | debian_novice | anybody there? |
| 21:47.18 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: if you want my assistance, I need to see those files. |
| 21:47.21 | baz | asg: but I don't see how they can be populated if the service isn't even running |
| 21:47.33 | Pendragon | dpkg, do you knwo why a deb package would create a directory and all subdirs accordingly, but place no files in any of the directories? |
| 21:47.40 | |rufius| | debian_novice: i doubt it'd be any more secure or less secure ive never been exploited through gaim.. |
| 21:47.46 | Pendragon | dondelecaro, ok, give me a second |
| 21:47.54 | asg | baz: you said the daemons are running but nothing is listening. An upgrade my have had issues stopping previous daemons. |
| 21:48.06 | sepski | baz: stop samba,check they realy gone, start sambam abd use netstat to check if daemons are listening, and what they'r listening on |
| 21:48.34 | nvz | asg: I don't really come by songs I want to learn much cause I don't really have any ambition to learn to play.. I just like the sound of an acoustic guitar and would much rather listen to it.. heh I have yet to find one that plays itself. |
| 21:48.40 | baz | sepski: already done that, apart from the netstat check - I did an nmap localhost - will try again |
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| 21:49.02 | baz | asg: I manually stoped and started the daemons a couple of times, it's really odd |
| 21:49.02 | debian_novice | hey is aMSN more secure than Gaim? |
| 21:49.13 | michael_ | v can somebody point me too sources.list that will work? |
| 21:49.14 | asg | nvz: well, this is some mid-80's metal that, after 15 years or so of not playing, I've decided to pick up again for shits and giggles (mostly giggles.) |
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| 21:49.26 | |rufius| | debian_novice: i doubt it'd be any more secure or less secure ive never been exploited through gaim.. |
| 21:49.27 | nvz | asg: I still haven't learned to play Hey Baby right and I've wanted to learn that for like 3 years now |
| 21:49.43 | Pendragon | dondelelcaro: http://morpheus.zetis.net/~jlee/temp/ |
| 21:49.48 | baz | hmm had a rogue nmbd that I had to kill -9 |
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| 21:49.48 | asg | baz: you could try starting them in whatever debug mode they might have and see if anything presents itself. |
| 21:49.51 | sepski | !tell michael_ about mirrors |
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| 21:49.59 | asg | nvz: ah |
| 21:50.01 | baz | but I swear that wasn't there last try |
| 21:50.05 | debian_novice | what kind of encryption does gaim use..do you know? |
| 21:50.15 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: that's 404 not found |
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| 21:50.29 | baz | damn, works now - must've missed that process |
| 21:50.32 | baz | sorry guys, and thanks |
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| 21:50.36 | nvz | asg: what kills me the most is climbing the scale up the neck.. in the beginning he goes down but when he stars comming back up I can seem to get my fingers to move as smothly the other way |
| 21:50.39 | St0n3-C0l | how do i save my sound settings after editing them in Gnome's Volume Mixer |
| 21:50.40 | asg | baz: you're welcome |
| 21:50.44 | sepski | michael_, what you populate your sorces.list with deends on where you are, pick the closest one from the mirror list, or use apt-setup |
| 21:50.47 | Pendragon | o woops |
| 21:50.48 | Pendragon | chmod |
| 21:50.49 | Pendragon | brb |
| 21:50.54 | valdyn_ | debian_novice: gaim speaks various protocols, it can only and does only use the encryptions those protocols speak |
| 21:51.15 | Pendragon | try now |
| 21:51.17 | asg | nvz: yeah, mine are old and crufty after all these years. |
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| 21:51.32 | asg | nvz: at least the callouses are coming in finally |
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| 21:52.04 | nvz | asg: well I was real wild when I was young.. my joints are all shot.. heh just moving my fingers on my left hand makes the joints crackle |
| 21:52.11 | asg | nvz: hehe |
| 21:52.21 | Pendragon | dondelecaro: I know it is a webmin package I am building, but our company needs to have its own maintainers .deb package for it |
| 21:52.37 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: that's fine... but it's still 404 |
| 21:52.39 | FieldySnuts | @lart webmin |
| 21:52.42 | Pendragon | really? |
| 21:52.45 | Pendragon | uh |
| 21:52.45 | FieldySnuts | arf arf! |
| 21:52.50 | asg | nvz: the one good thing is that I've unlearned some bad habits since I last played seriously. |
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| 21:53.12 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: HEAD http://morpheus.zetis.net/~jlee/temp/ -> 404 Not Found |
| 21:53.24 | Pendragon | http://morpheus.zertis.net/~jlee/temp/ it works now for me |
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| 21:53.31 | Pendragon | unless I mispelled it before |
| 21:53.36 | nvz | asg: easy songs with simple repeting rhytm I mess up because I get bored, and harder songs or when I play lead I mess up because my fingers can't keep up or do what I want them to |
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| 21:53.55 | dondelelcaro | oh, zertis.net is not zetis.net |
| 21:53.56 | asg | nvz: yeah, it takes practice (at least in the latter case.) |
| 21:53.58 | St0n3-C0l | how do i save my sound settings after editing them in Gnome's Volume Mixer ??? |
| 21:54.01 | Pendragon | ah |
| 21:54.19 | Pendragon | oops |
| 21:54.19 | Pendragon | lol |
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| 21:54.53 | valdyn_ | St0n3-C0l: you're using alsa? |
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| 21:55.15 | asg | nvz: the problem I always had was getting a good sound. spoopin got me a POD (line6.com) for Christmas and I've been having lots of fun since. |
| 21:55.15 | St0n3-C0l | Gstreamer-based mixer |
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| 21:55.23 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: ok, first things first, you're packaging this as a native package, which isn't what you want to do. |
| 21:55.28 | St0n3-C0l | i know bout alsa: its 'alsactl store' |
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| 21:55.55 | grigora | hi, I am trying to find a way to monitor disk usage on several Debian/Solaris systems, I guess I can MRTG + SNMP for that, but I would also like to get email alerts when the usage goes over a certain limit, anyone knows how to do this (short of running shell scripts through cron)? thanks |
| 21:56.12 | Pendragon | well I am very new to this, but I can give you a little background, we took woody, and a OEM box, like a linksys, and are making our own product, so we need to maintain everything in our own packages |
| 21:56.12 | xamxus | can somebody tell me if I can use a net install cd to log into debian or do i need to download CD1 od debian ? |
| 21:56.14 | valdyn_ | St0n3-C0l: gnome's mixer isnt gstreamer related |
| 21:56.21 | St0n3-C0l | than ? |
| 21:56.24 | nvz | asg: heh, I dont know what 'spoopin' or a 'POD' is.. though spoopin looks like poopin with an S on it |
| 21:56.24 | Pendragon | but I am new as in 24 hours to deb packages |
| 21:56.25 | sepski | grigora, nagios, can do that and lots more |
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| 21:56.42 | asg | grigora: run mrtg for graphs + nagios for system monitoring. (you might consider 'cacti' as well) |
| 21:56.47 | valdyn_ | St0n3-C0l: alsa or oss, whatever you have |
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| 21:57.11 | sepski | grigora, mrtg or cricket or munin for graphs, |
| 21:57.16 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: that's fine... but you should read a bit about how packages are actually made. If this is just webmin, you should start by looking carefully at how webmin itself is actually packaged. |
| 21:57.25 | asg | nvz: /msg dpkg seen spoopin ; POD is a audio processor unit that provides many amp / cabinet combinations from the 50's to present day. |
| 21:57.33 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: odds are you don't need a single monolithic 7.1M package. |
| 21:57.36 | St0n3-C0l | oss |
| 21:57.42 | asg | nvz: my brother sold my 1/2 stack for crack in '91 :( |
| 21:57.54 | sepski | mrtg is old more designed fr snmp, cricket is big and very complex, munin is about as easy as falling off a chair, but not in woody im afraid |
| 21:57.55 | St0n3-C0l | bcoz i installed alsamixer but when i type 'alsamixer' in terminal says not found |
| 21:58.32 | dondelelcaro | sepski: there are backports for it |
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| 21:58.47 | nvz | asg: ah. when I had an electric those toys were tempting, but at deafining levels with a heavy reverb anything sounds good.. doesnt feel like I'm learning anything |
| 21:58.47 | Pendragon | well, I read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html that, maintainers guide, and our webmin, with our modules is 34 meg |
| 21:59.00 | simonrvn | nagios, snort > * |
| 21:59.05 | grigora | sepski: asg: many thanks |
| 21:59.06 | valdyn_ | St0n3-C0l: i have no idea how oss volume settings are saved |
| 21:59.07 | Pendragon | the guy who wrote webmin, Jamie Cameron is helping us write new ones |
| 21:59.16 | sepski | dondelelcaro, backports.org? been months since i installed it last time |
| 21:59.27 | St0n3-C0l | okay thanks for ur time :) |
| 21:59.27 | asg | nvz: well, it provides some nice clean combos (which sound good through the Takamine I've got on loan) |
| 21:59.33 | Pendragon | .. Should I try a multi package instead of a single? |
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| 22:00.07 | nvz | asg: yeah my guitar is a Takamine G-Series EG-240RS Acoustic-Electric |
| 22:00.10 | asg | nvz: some of the PODs emulations provide heavy tones but in a very clean way. |
| 22:00.20 | dondelelcaro | sepski: the one I have is actually still called lrrd-client... but there should be a backport of munin-client out ther.e |
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| 22:00.38 | Manny | hi >( |
| 22:00.41 | Manny | hi :) |
| 22:00.41 | moyix | there's a note on the debmake package that says it's deprecated--what replaces it |
| 22:00.42 | moyix | ? |
| 22:00.42 | Manny | I mean |
| 22:00.43 | sepski | dondelelcaro, ill google when i install next time |
| 22:00.47 | sepski | thanks |
| 22:00.49 | FarrisG | how would I go about piping everything in a TTY session to a file? commands run and stdout |
| 22:00.53 | asg | nvz: the Tak I've got (can't remember the model offhand) is a Classical that spoopin put a pickup in for studio stuff. |
| 22:00.59 | simonrvn | moyix: just about anything else |
| 22:01.01 | nvz | asg: I only paid like $115 cash for it.. the idiot apperently thinks he could sell that Squire I had for like $250 |
| 22:01.04 | Pendragon | I was using debuild without using dpkg-buildpackage I was told by somebody else I didn't need that |
| 22:01.08 | asg | nvz: haha |
| 22:01.08 | dondelelcaro | moyix: debhelper |
| 22:01.08 | Manny | can I make my xserver (xfree86) use the framebuffer at the resolution I specified at boot time? |
| 22:01.15 | Manny | I want it to use that before trying its own modes |
| 22:01.34 | tr | eh, noob question: how do I reinstall grub when using a woody rescue cd, running 'grub' doesnt give me the slightest idea ;) |
| 22:01.35 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: debuild actually uses dpkg-buildpackage. the criticial thing is your debian/rules, though. |
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| 22:01.44 | Pendragon | o |
| 22:01.52 | asg | tr: man grub-install |
| 22:01.59 | Pendragon | r they wrong? |
| 22:02.13 | tr | asg, tu |
| 22:02.19 | asg | tr: you're welcome |
| 22:02.33 | asg | !kill work |
| 22:02.48 | Pendragon | l |
| 22:02.52 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: ok, first things first, your .orig.tar.gz should look *exactly* like your cvs source looks. |
| 22:03.24 | Pendragon | eh, that ones ruff, I don't have it in cvs, but I could with no problem |
| 22:03.25 | moyix | dondelelcaro, simonrvn: thanks, dh-make is what I was thinking of... |
| 22:03.34 | St0n3-C0l | valdyn_: okay I found that thing in Synaptic named 'oss-preserve' |
| 22:03.35 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: well, however you guys actually develop this stuff. |
| 22:03.37 | tr | i cannot write to /boot/grub with the rescue cd :( |
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| 22:03.53 | valdyn_ | St0n3-C0l: neat |
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| 22:04.07 | simonrvn | tr: um, you want to write to your mounted partition, not the cd ;) |
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| 22:04.27 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: I'm assuming that you do development in some directory structure, and then install that directory structure elsewhere. (If you're not, that's pretty much insane.) |
| 22:04.47 | tr | simonrvn, maybe I DO want to write to the cd! :D euh well ok i have no idea how to do that; mount the dev and use some option? =P |
| 22:04.56 | St0n3-C0l | eh |
| 22:04.59 | Pendragon | lol yeah your right, I moved everything into zertis-webmin/ |
| 22:05.01 | nvz | asg: I had gotten that Squire (By Fender) S65 which was like a cheap les-paul looking thing for beginners as a gift, for like $120 with picks, strap, stand, tuner, coord..etc brand new. when I traded it in it had a nice 4 inch long gash from me smacking it of the stove... and he didnt want any of the extra fender crap that came with it.. and he's selling it for like $250.. I think he's nuts, but I like the fact I got a nice looking acoustic-electric for $115 |
| 22:05.35 | Pendragon | so I had zertis-webmin/etc/init.d/webmin zertis-webmin/var/webmin/ and zertis-webmin/debmian/conffiles ... you get the idea |
| 22:06.14 | Pendragon | I was able to debuild without any errors, and then dpkg -i without any errors. |
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| 22:07.22 | plagerism | anyone heard of any problems with a Gigabyte GA-K8NS Ultra 939?? I am having problems getting the onboard ethernet card working |
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| 22:07.59 | cafuego | plagerism: I have a K8NS Pro and no problems, it's a marvell yukon (wants a 2.6 kernel, though) |
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| 22:08.20 | plagerism | cafuego, what module do you use?? |
| 22:08.31 | plagerism | sk89lin?? |
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| 22:08.37 | cafuego | plagerism: yep |
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| 22:09.01 | plagerism | cafuego, I can get it up, I just ping the other network interface on the network |
| 22:09.08 | plagerism | just cant |
| 22:09.15 | nel | I just compiled kernel 2.6.10 and everytime I use the command lsmod it gives me this message: modprobe:can't locate module ip_tables |
| 22:09.17 | el | hello all, i was just wonderng, i have fluxbox installed in debain, and i cant resize windows, like the little tabs in corners arnt there, does ne1 know how to fix this? |
| 22:09.25 | nel | QM_MODULES funtcion not implemented |
| 22:09.30 | plagerism | cafuego, are you running pure64?? |
| 22:09.31 | cafuego | plagerism: maybe yours is newer; try a cheap pci one |
| 22:09.37 | cafuego | !qm_modules |
| 22:09.37 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 22:09.42 | jethro | !ne1 |
| 22:09.42 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 22:09.57 | Pendragon | dondelelcaro: I just extracted the org.tar file, it looks like the folder I used. debuild created for me. I am still not sure as to what I am doing wrong here. |
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| 22:10.14 | cafuego | plagerism: I was up until 2 weeks ago. Alioth is crapping out a lot (making updates hard or impossible) so I went to ubuntu AMD64 |
| 22:10.20 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: that's not what I mean. Just having everything as a subdirectory of zertis-webadmin isn't going to help you much. |
| 22:10.36 | plagerism | cafuego, ubuntu has an AMD64 now?? |
| 22:10.50 | plagerism | cafuego Nice, is it easy to install? |
| 22:10.52 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: presumably you should be developing with some sort of sane directory structure, with modules separated into their own directories, and configuration files for them located separately. |
| 22:11.03 | plagerism | cafuego, I just want a system up for now |
| 22:11.05 | cafuego | plagerism: yeah, it's Sarge with newer software, basically. |
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| 22:11.14 | DarkPainter| | hi again guys |
| 22:11.19 | plagerism | was trying gentoo, but its a pain in my ass |
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| 22:11.28 | Pendragon | :/ isn't that why I put # $(MAKE) DESTDIR=`pwd`/debian/tmp install |
| 22:11.28 | Pendragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.28 | Pendragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.28 | Pendragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.28 | cafuego | plagerism: Evolution is VERY broken on its equivalent of Sid, btw. |
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| 22:11.30 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: what you've got now is the webmin package pretty much installed, which is not what you want to do. |
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| 22:11.48 | Pendragon | in the rules file |
| 22:11.48 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh |
| 22:11.51 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: what you've got now is the webmin package pretty much installed, which is not what you want to do. |
| 22:12.00 | Pendragon | ok, |
| 22:12.12 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: that's totally and utter insanity. See the difference between your .tar.gz and webmin's .orig.tar.gz |
| 22:12.17 | minimec | plagerism: I do agree with you, even if I must say, that I learnd alot about my System. I a way I liked that. |
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| 22:12.18 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: they shouldn't look any different. |
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| 22:12.57 | WiFiTux | Is there a ssh like webbased like cgiirc? So I can ssh into my pc webbased? |
| 22:13.01 | Megan| | question...i want to run whatever that blue cable is... DVI or something, to a flat panel moniter and when i did... it acts as if nothings plugged into it. is my moniter out port off? |
| 22:13.13 | Rawplayer | yes WiFiTux |
| 22:13.14 | cafuego | plagerism: Apart from the package versions being different and possibly some silly portmap packaging, there's no differnce between debian and ubuntu. Well, the latter just installs Gnome by default; designed for desktop. |
| 22:13.14 | Rawplayer | there is |
| 22:13.17 | Rawplayer | i dont know the name |
| 22:13.20 | Rawplayer | but its there |
| 22:13.27 | sepski | WiFiTux, google for java ssh client |
| 22:13.32 | WiFiTux | Rawplayer: ok |
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| 22:13.39 | Borgon | WiFiTux, there are some java ssh clients |
| 22:14.10 | vulture | WiFiTux: why not just use putty? |
| 22:14.24 | plagerism | cafuego, and for desktop happens to be what I want, and I prefer gnome over kde as well |
| 22:14.35 | defy | are there no generic ways of installing debian onto a machine with a symbios scsi controler? does anyone know of an install cd which supports it? |
| 22:14.44 | WiFiTux | vulture: i'm on different pc's all day... |
| 22:14.53 | dondelelcaro | defy: if the kernel supports it, it's possible. |
| 22:14.59 | vulture | WiFiTux: so? it's like 300k or something.. |
| 22:15.03 | Pendragon | Well I do see that, and I know that I don't hardly have a clue of how to do this right, but I know that we want the debian package I am making, have a certian configuration for our hardware, predefined admin usernames and such. I thought this would be easier |
| 22:15.05 | dondelelcaro | defy: I'd start with the sarge d-i netinst. |
| 22:15.10 | defy | well the linux kernel definately supports it, but the one provided on the install cd does not |
| 22:15.19 | cafuego | plagerism: easy then |
| 22:15.22 | vulture | WiFiTux: there's no installation, you just clitk "run from current location" or whatever.. |
| 22:15.45 | defy | dondelelcaro do you have any info on that? url? |
| 22:15.49 | dondelelcaro | !d-i |
| 22:15.50 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 22:15.52 | plagerism | cafuego, gonna try to get this network card up in the interim, trying gentoo at the moment |
| 22:15.59 | defy | sweet thanks |
| 22:16.08 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: it is pretty easy, assuming you're doing it sanely. You take the .orig.tar.gz from the webmin packages, make your changes as appropriate. |
| 22:16.12 | WiFiTux | vulture: true, but I'm just apt-getting jta... looks like what I need. |
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| 22:16.35 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: then you alter the debian/rules file and the upstream Makefile as necessary to install your packages and your configuration files. |
| 22:16.36 | xlobeznox | hi |
| 22:17.10 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: when you're done, you have a .orig.tar.gz that is equivalent to the upstream version, and a diff.gz that includes all of your own changes. |
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| 22:17.24 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: the way you guys are headed now, you won't be able to sanely include new upstream revisions at all. |
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| 22:17.43 | bpence | Anyone know where I can get windows media codecs? |
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| 22:17.59 | dondelelcaro | bpence: some of them are distributed from mplayer's site. |
| 22:18.04 | cafuego | bpence: apt-get install w32codecs |
| 22:18.10 | xlobeznox | wildness:/home/lobezno# /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 22:18.11 | xlobeznox | Starting printing system service: cupsdcupsd: Child exited with status 98! |
| 22:18.17 | xlobeznox | :/ |
| 22:18.24 | WiFiTux | !tell bpence about w32codecs |
| 22:18.34 | xlobeznox | why cupsys is breaking? |
| 22:18.36 | WiFiTux | !tell bpence about marillat |
| 22:18.39 | Pendragon | eh, lol, thats a lot of changes, 52 meg of changes |
| 22:18.41 | dondelelcaro | xlobeznox: figure out why cupsys exited with status 98. |
| 22:18.54 | xlobeznox | dondelelcaro: what? |
| 22:18.59 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: then make a new .orig.tar.gz with your upstream, not with your upstream installed. |
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| 22:19.05 | tr | wow I actually got it working again :p, thanks for the help, now I know something new again ;) |
| 22:19.06 | Pendragon | well, if that is the only way to do it, shoot. |
| 22:19.10 | dondelelcaro | xlobeznox: check your syslogs, or whatever. |
| 22:19.20 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: no, it's not the only way to do it. It's the only *SANE* way to do it. |
| 22:19.42 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: there's a reason why the upstream of webmin distributes the code the way they do, not with files in usr/share blah blah already. |
| 22:20.09 | XTF | Just wondering, why is 2.4 the default kernel in Sarge and not 2.6? |
| 22:20.18 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: the debian packaging system is powerfull enough to take an upstream version (or your version) exactly the way it's developed, and turn it into a .deb that can actually be installed. |
| 22:20.26 | panda | can i safely remove /var/cache/apt/archives? it's too big |
| 22:20.34 | dondelelcaro | XTF: 2.4 isn't even the default kernel, and if you care, you can install 2.6 yourself. |
| 22:20.37 | XTF | apt-get clean |
| 22:20.50 | dondelelcaro | (hint: linux26) |
| 22:20.51 | XTF | Then what is the default kernel? |
| 22:20.51 | LSorensen | XTF: some hardware can't run 2.6 yet. some features in 2.6 are not as stable yet. you can boot the installer with 2.6 kernel and it works fine |
| 22:20.59 | Pendragon | I guess I just gotta figure out what the commands are to do it. |
| 22:21.17 | cafuego | XTF: Just be grateful it's not running 2.0 or 2.2. |
| 22:21.28 | xlobeznox | dondelelcaro: nothing in syslog except that usb connection with printer is ok |
| 22:21.45 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: read the nm guide, and go through it with a sample package. Then walk through a couple other simple packages... then you will understand what you are doing. |
| 22:21.57 | christor | hello I have a problem when I click xterm in the menu wmaker I have 2 xterm opened, next only one?? |
| 22:22.05 | XTF | It's just a bit 'weird' considering it'll be stable for the next two years and it's 'old' already on launch. |
| 22:22.17 | cafuego | !lart XTF |
| 22:22.25 | dondelelcaro | XTF: it already contains 2.6. If you care, you can trivially run 2.6 |
| 22:22.33 | XTF | I know, I know. |
| 22:22.34 | cafuego | XTF: "stable' and 'new' don't mix. |
| 22:22.47 | XTF | 2.6 isn't that new, is it? |
| 22:23.07 | caphuso | it's also nowhere near stability |
| 22:23.16 | XTF | Oh. |
| 22:23.17 | Megan| | anyone know how i can use my moniter out port on the back of my laptop and when connected, have it actually work? |
| 22:23.22 | bpence | thanks for the info on the codecs guys.. getting them now.. take care.. |
| 22:23.35 | simonrvn | monitor |
| 22:23.40 | cafuego | Megan|: yeah, set up xinerama. |
| 22:23.49 | Megan| | xinerama? |
| 22:23.50 | nvz | Megan|: sure, best thing is to hook it up before you turn on the PC |
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| 22:24.01 | Megan| | oh... i dont think i did that nvz =| |
| 22:24.07 | Megan| | well mabye i did |
| 22:24.12 | Megan| | yea i did, nevermind |
| 22:24.14 | plagerism | cafuego, its weird when I ping the amd64 box from another box the light does flash on the back of the amd64 box |
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| 22:24.26 | sepski | Megan|, depends on the laptop, some have a magic key combo to turn it on, and it dumbly copies whatever is on the screen, more modern laptops have dual monitor setups, and you have to do the same as if you ran a ragular pc with 2 monitors |
| 22:24.32 | cafuego | plagerism: Check the firewall. |
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| 22:25.09 | nvz | Megan|: what happened to your nick :) |
| 22:25.10 | plagerism | cafuego, could it have something to do with ipv6, when I dmesg on the other machine it says its using ipv6 |
| 22:25.10 | cafuego | sepski: Mine has a magic key combo, but X *DOES* want a xinerama config for mirroring. |
| 22:25.15 | Megan| | would i have to enable it in my bios? |
| 22:25.18 | cafuego | plagerism: Doubtful. |
| 22:25.37 | Megan| | and... i cant find xinerama when i do apt-cache search xinerama |
| 22:25.43 | simonrvn | ... |
| 22:25.51 | sepski | cafuego, aye it was poorly shosen words, alsmot all laptops have the magic key combo |
| 22:25.55 | sepski | powersave i guess. |
| 22:25.55 | nvz | Megan|: usually no you would not. though considering you have a dell, anything possible |
| 22:25.55 | cafuego | Megan|: Google for someone whith your laptop who has already got it working. |
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| 22:26.37 | Megan| | lol nvz |
| 22:26.48 | nvz | Megan|: yeah if you put your laptop make/mode and the word linux into google, it helps. |
| 22:26.51 | Doc- | There always seems to be the magic factor in linux :P Especialy with laptops |
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| 22:27.16 | Megan^ | im setting up samba lol |
| 22:27.31 | sepski | Doc-, you can't have missed the magic 3 finger combo of windows fame ? :) |
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| 22:27.54 | Megan^ | do i have to have anything on my xp box to communicate with samba on my linux box? |
| 22:28.00 | Megan^ | or just setup samba on here |
| 22:28.02 | caphuso | that's weird... printing through lprng doesn't cause the parport DMA timeouts i get with CUPS |
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| 22:28.30 | nvz | Megan^: winxp should have what it needs |
| 22:28.33 | Doc- | sepski: no I haven't... Unfortunately :P |
| 22:28.43 | nvz | Megan^: windows file/print sharing |
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| 22:28.52 | tag | If I make a mistake with my package configuration that causes it to not be installable, how can I fix this? |
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| 22:29.13 | sepski | doc- ctrl+alt+delete ? :) |
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| 22:29.24 | cafuego | dum de dum de dum |
| 22:29.24 | tag | preconfigure fails with exit status 10, reconfigure doesn't work because its not installed... |
| 22:29.29 | Doc- | What else? :) |
| 22:29.35 | Megan^ | better to run as a daemon or inetd |
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| 22:30.13 | nvz | Megan^: if you run daemon you can start/stop samba independently without stopping all inet services |
| 22:30.18 | Megan^ | ooooo |
| 22:30.21 | Megan^ | sounds good to me |
| 22:30.26 | nvz | Megan^: you will need to restart samba when changing configuration |
| 22:30.34 | nvz | Megan^: so I normally use daemons |
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| 22:30.46 | caphuso | nvz: if you use inetd, you don't have to restart samba at all |
| 22:30.51 | nvz | heh |
| 22:30.59 | caphuso | the next connection will use the new config file |
| 22:31.02 | nvz | caphuso: I was thinking that someone would say that |
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| 22:31.54 | Megan^ | ok its installed now what |
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| 22:32.19 | nvz | Megan^: well I assume since you are installing samba, you want to make shares on the linux box available to windows? |
| 22:32.23 | WiFiTux | has someone used jta here? the stupid thing doesn't have a conf file or a trace of where it is!!! |
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| 22:32.31 | Megan^ | and vice versa |
| 22:32.37 | sepski | Megan^, read the docs. but it's basicaly, configure a share add a samba user/pass combo and browse to your samba from windows |
| 22:32.47 | nvz | Megan^: you dont need to configure samba or install it for that matter to mount windows shares |
| 22:33.00 | Megan^ | .... |
| 22:33.08 | nvz | Megan^: next step is to configure samba and setup your shares in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 22:33.10 | tag | this is gonna drive me nuts |
| 22:33.46 | nvz | tag: what did you do before you broke your system ? and what branch are you using? |
| 22:33.50 | Megan^ | ok ive got it open |
| 22:33.58 | distempr | Anyone know if the PNP option during a kernel config pertains to ISA pnp or does it affect the PCI bus as well? |
| 22:33.59 | nvz | Megan^: in an xterm? |
| 22:34.10 | cafuego | distempr: just isapnp |
| 22:34.18 | Megan^ | nano |
| 22:34.22 | cafuego | distempr: There is no non-pnp version of PCI, it's built-in. |
| 22:34.25 | tag | unstable, and what I did was just fail to check off "I agree to license terms" when installing the java package from blackdown.org |
| 22:34.30 | distempr | cafuego: k great, always wondered. |
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| 22:34.38 | tag | now I cannot install it |
| 22:34.40 | nvz | Megan^: well you need to open another term and get the manpage for smb.conf up too, to tell you how to set it up |
| 22:34.46 | distempr | cafuego: heh, yeah but who knows, maybe the kernel's magic enough to remove pnp support for pci :) |
| 22:34.47 | saerdna | how do i delete a package marked pc? |
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| 22:34.56 | saerdna | pineapple:/usr/src# dpkg --list | grep mysql |
| 22:34.56 | saerdna | pc mysql-server-4 4.1.8a-6 mysql database server binaries |
| 22:35.06 | nvz | tag: heh, so the package config failed, and now what? |
| 22:35.16 | nvz | tag: do you want the package or not? |
| 22:35.23 | Megan^ | i already did the setup thing when it was installing... |
| 22:35.23 | tag | yes I do, but now I cannot configure it |
| 22:35.31 | nvz | tag: because its not installed |
| 22:35.37 | tag | Yeah but I cannot install it |
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| 22:35.44 | nvz | tag: just go back in your history and type the apt-get install command again |
| 22:35.55 | tag | I did |
| 22:35.59 | nvz | tag: use --reinstall |
| 22:36.07 | nvz | tag: apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 22:36.11 | nvz | er |
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| 22:36.19 | tag | same thing |
| 22:36.27 | Herodes | anybody can tell me which is the equivalent in redhat update-rc.d server defaults ?. chkconfig add server??, could be?? |
| 22:36.30 | tag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.32 | nvz | tag: try just, apt-get -f install |
| 22:36.38 | nvz | no package name |
| 22:36.59 | tag | no help |
| 22:37.04 | tag | same thing |
| 22:37.04 | nvz | tag: you pissed off the pre-config script |
| 22:37.07 | simonrvn | mysql-server-4.1 |
| 22:37.07 | tag | no shit |
| 22:37.11 | nvz | by rejecting the liscence |
| 22:37.11 | tag | heh |
| 22:37.12 | nvz | heh |
| 22:37.15 | tag | I didn't mean to |
| 22:37.19 | tag | I was typing something in another window |
| 22:37.22 | tag | the download was slow as crap |
| 22:37.29 | Megan^ | well... how do i access my computer from xp then? |
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| 22:37.41 | Megan^ | or vice versa |
| 22:37.44 | nvz | Megan^: eh? |
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| 22:37.51 | tag | and then it pops up and disappears because I was already typing I was just like motherfuck |
| 22:38.01 | quitte | i think i have to say this once in here: my apologies for having tried ubuntu and for even been thinking it was better. |
| 22:38.03 | nvz | Megan^: to offer a share on linux you need to read the manpage for smb.conf and setup the shares in that file. |
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| 22:38.37 | tag | so what do I do, I cannot remove it its not installed, I cannot configure it its not installed, I cannot install it it wont configure |
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| 22:38.44 | nvz | Megan^: to mount a windows share, you need to install the smbfs package, modprobe the smbfs driver, then just mount the share like mount -t smbfs //host/share /mount/point |
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| 22:38.48 | nel | iptables |
| 22:39.01 | Megan^ | this is confusing... |
| 22:39.17 | One | http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php |
| 22:39.18 | nvz | Megan^: you use a desktop environment like gnome? |
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| 22:39.21 | Megan^ | screw samba theres an easier way to do this |
| 22:39.21 | One | http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php |
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| 22:39.27 | Megan^ | yes i use gnome |
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| 22:39.46 | uGexe2 | omg.. my friend just did passwd -d root and passwd -d gp and says it changed his password and now he cant log in at all. is there any thing he can do lol |
| 22:40.02 | nvz | Megan^: the nautilus program that draws the desktop and is the filemanager for gnome works just like windows's explorer.. you can browse the samba network directly from there |
| 22:40.08 | caphuso | uGexe2: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 22:40.23 | Megan^ | crap i just removed samba and u tell me this -now- |
| 22:40.33 | nvz | Megan^: samba is not required |
| 22:40.37 | Megan^ | cool |
| 22:40.39 | tag | where do these preconfigure scripts store their data? |
| 22:40.41 | nel | how can I check if iptables is installed correctly? |
| 22:40.43 | nvz | Megan^: samba is only for offering shares from linux |
| 22:40.49 | tag | maybe I can just remove the crap |
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| 22:40.51 | rdancer | !i forgot root's password |
| 22:40.51 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 22:41.01 | rdancer | uGexe2: ^^ |
| 22:41.05 | nel | I don't have the iptables script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:41.11 | nel | i installed the iptables package |
| 22:41.19 | Megan^ | it says its already installed..... |
| 22:41.28 | nvz | Megan^: smbfs and samba-common are the package for mounting windows shares, and I am sure whatever nautilus needs to browse the network it would depend on |
| 22:41.35 | rdancer | nel: write your own |
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| 22:41.40 | sepski | nel iptables is a tool to manipulate firewall rules you can use whatever firewall builder /script you want |
| 22:41.49 | sepski | i fancy shorewall it's very good |
| 22:41.58 | Megan^ | i did apt-get install nautilus and it says its already latest version |
| 22:42.11 | uGexe2 | ah ok. he said he was trying to make it so no password was required to login. what is the correct command for him to do? |
| 22:42.11 | tag | anybody know what I can do now? |
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| 22:42.37 | nvz | Megan^: yeah like I said, nautilus is the package that draws the gnome desktop and acts as its filemanager |
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| 22:42.46 | rdancer | !wayttd tag |
| 22:42.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, tag? |
| 22:42.52 | Megan^ | okay so...what do i do to see my windows box x__x |
| 22:42.58 | nvz | Megan^: its the gnome equivalent to explorer, which does the same on windows |
| 22:43.12 | Megan^ | thats why gnome is so easy to use for me |
| 22:43.24 | sepski | uGexe2, use the autologin feature of kde/gnome, and dont do that in console please |
| 22:43.25 | nvz | Megan^: you go to your "My Computer" do-dad just like in winders ;P |
| 22:43.30 | pepperpot | sepski: actually, I've always wondered the same thing as nel. Is there a correct way, or even a debian way? I just put my own homebrew script under /etc/init.d. It works but I don't know if it's bad form. |
| 22:43.35 | nvz | Megan^: let me go look at a gnome box and tell you more specifically. |
| 22:43.39 | tag | rdancer: I rejected the license from the blackdown.org java package and now I cannot reconfigure it (its not installed) or install it (it won't preconfigure) or preconfigure it (exit's with error) How the hell can I get back to the license so I can accept it and install the package? |
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| 22:44.18 | sepski | pepperpot, you use the script that best suits your needs, that is the debian way :) |
| 22:44.30 | sepski | debian gives you a lot of options, you pick what you need |
| 22:44.36 | simonrvn | nel: sarge and later don't have it in /etc/init.d. see /usr/share/doc/iptables. you'll find it there |
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| 22:45.03 | ghc | Whats the name of the package that lets me view my install info pages in a browser? |
| 22:45.04 | Delph | tag: you've already heard all the stories about the pain and suffering blackdown java causes, and the one-true-way is to get the sun one? |
| 22:45.16 | simonrvn | pepperpot: yeh, just link it up with update-rc.d or ln |
| 22:45.21 | sepski | shorewall is very very easy and gives you a good firewall in a few minutes, when your used to it, apt-cache search there are many alternatives |
| 22:45.21 | nvz | Megan^: do you have a Computer icon on your nautilus desktop or one that says Start-Here or Megan's Home or anything like that? |
| 22:45.26 | sepski | or just make your own |
| 22:45.26 | tag | Delph: I've had good luck with the blackdown packages in the past |
| 22:45.49 | turkey_joe | does anyone know where i can get easy to follow instructions on how to install debian?? |
| 22:45.50 | Megan^ | yes i do nvz it says computer |
| 22:45.52 | rdancer | tag: hack the script by hand, remove the clickwrap licence, apt-get install --reinstall it |
| 22:45.53 | nvz | Megan^: you normally go to Computer > Network just like in windows, but from any nautilus window you can type Network:/// in the address bar |
| 22:46.10 | rdancer | tag: the last step should work on its own |
| 22:46.15 | tag | rdancer: If I could just find where it stores its data |
| 22:46.25 | Megan^ | ok i have a globe thats named windows network |
| 22:46.26 | rdancer | tag: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 22:46.47 | rdancer | tag: or open the .deb in mc(1), and explore it by hand |
| 22:46.49 | pepperpot | simonrvn: I manual ln -s 'ed the rc.*'s |
| 22:46.57 | nvz | Megan^: *nod* you might not see much there, if you haven't enabled windows file sharing on the windows box and offered shares. |
| 22:46.58 | tag | rdancer: dpkg -L only works on installed packages |
| 22:47.01 | simonrvn | that's fine |
| 22:47.12 | rdancer | tag: use midnight then |
| 22:47.13 | tag | rdancer: I mean where it stores the state / persistent data |
| 22:47.43 | pepperpot | i should read the update-rc.d man pages. It sounds useful |
| 22:47.48 | sepski | tag you can't remove --purge it either and start from the beginning ? |
| 22:47.55 | Megan^ | crap nvz, when i click on my other computer it says "could not display all content from Windows Network: <computer name>" |
| 22:48.09 | simonrvn | wth is wrong with debsums? |
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| 22:48.12 | tag | sepski: No because its not installed |
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| 22:48.17 | rdancer | tag: strace -f -o log apt-get install --reinstall <packagename>; $PAGER log |
| 22:48.24 | ghc | msg dpkg info |
| 22:48.43 | rdancer | apt-get --reinstall install if you're of the POSIX leaning |
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| 22:49.08 | sepski | night |
| 22:49.13 | cafuego | yay |
| 22:49.25 | Delph | tag: its never worked as well for me. |
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| 22:49.53 | nvz | Megan^: I can't help you much, I understand samba from the actual samba level.. its like I told you before with your sound issue.. we understand the fundamentals, not all the layers of obfustication.. there is a gnome-vfs and who knows what other horrors between that pretty gui and the underlying samba stuff |
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| 22:50.31 | Megan^ | should i re-install samba? =| |
| 22:50.36 | nvz | Megan^: like I said you will probably have to go share up some stuff on the windows box before it will let you browse that box |
| 22:50.40 | Megan^ | cause it sees the computer... it just wont show me my dats |
| 22:50.49 | Megan^ | i already did share stuff |
| 22:51.02 | Delph | Megan^: does it work from "smbclient" on the console? |
| 22:51.04 | Megan^ | my other windows boxes see it just not this one, i mean i see it, but it says it cant show me it |
| 22:51.23 | Delph | and have you played the encrypted passwords game? |
| 22:51.35 | nvz | Megan^: install smbfs, smbclient and samba-common, if you want furter help troubleshooting |
| 22:51.38 | minimec | Megan^: Did you activate the user for external Samba access? |
| 22:51.45 | lucox | anyone any experiences with distcc ? |
| 22:52.08 | nvz | Megan^: samba is not needed like I said, unless you are going to offer shares _from_ linux, and you are going to read the smb.conf manpage and write a config file |
| 22:52.10 | pigor | hello, my wmaker shows [in german] "Arbeitsflaeche" when i switch between workspaces. but it shows not the german "ae", it shows some wrong character. can you help me? |
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| 22:52.12 | Megan^ | i dont think so minimec... but i also remove dit |
| 22:52.12 | turkey_joe | does anyone know where i can get easy to follow instructions on how to install debian?? |
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| 22:52.58 | nvz | Megan^: also run 'cmd' on windows and type ipconfig, and get the IP of the windows box |
| 22:53.08 | Phated | turkey_joe: There's an install guide. /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:53.34 | insanekane | turkey_joe: get the first couple of CDs of Sarge (or all of them). Put the first one in, and boot from it. That will start the installation process. |
| 22:54.01 | Megan^ | i know its ip, its 192.168.1.2, and im good with windows remember lol |
| 22:54.02 | nvz | insanekane: There is an install guide. /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:54.21 | minimec | Megan^: It is possible, that the windows User does see the samba server, but he can't access, because he does not have the permission to access. You must not only create a smb user, you have to activate him. |
| 22:54.30 | mdh | insanekane: I like the new d-i net-install isos. same deal though. |
| 22:54.33 | insanekane | nvz, it aint for me :) |
| 22:54.35 | Phated | Why nvz. How flattering. |
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| 22:55.05 | nvz | minimec: its possible she's not even working with a samba server for windows to see.. you would know she is in gnome browsing her winxp box through nautilus if you were paying attention |
| 22:55.37 | nvz | though you are on the right track |
| 22:55.51 | nvz | I am not certain she even offered shares in windows for nautilus to see |
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| 22:55.58 | nvz | I'd like to use smbclient to find out |
| 22:56.14 | Megan^ | i have a little folder on my desktop that says smb on it and it looks like a windows networked folde |
| 22:56.15 | Megan^ | r |
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| 22:56.28 | minimec | nvz: sorry. Didn't see that :-) |
| 22:56.35 | Megan^ | yes i have a networked folder on my windows box |
| 22:56.40 | Megan^ | even with files in it |
| 22:56.48 | Megan^ | and all access permited |
| 22:56.58 | Megan^ | so its a linux issue not a windows issue |
| 22:57.08 | Megan^ | hense why i came here to ask =P |
| 22:57.11 | nvz | Megan^: then run smbclient -L 192.168.1.2 |
| 22:57.16 | nvz | see what you get |
| 22:57.26 | christor | Please I have some trouoble of memory on debian, I use a dock wm and my dock indicate 97% mem used.Thus I made a top and effectively in the mem, 250Mo used on 256 . However if i take a look on the process there are nothing important except xfree86 7% of mem. How to explain this? |
| 22:57.29 | Megan^ | smbclient command not found |
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| 22:57.47 | supaman | why is wzip a part of the math section? |
| 22:58.03 | Megan^ | downloading and installing smbclient nvz |
| 22:58.05 | LoRez | christor: linux pre-caches as much as it can. unused memory is wasted memory. |
| 22:58.12 | quitte | christor: unix is supposed to use all ram available |
| 22:58.34 | vulture | supaman: the description of wzip seems applicable to the math section.. |
| 22:58.40 | nvz | Megan^: see to people like I who understand linux.. your cute GUI is the confusing way |
| 22:59.01 | Megan^ | sorry =( |
| 22:59.35 | nvz | Megan^: I see looking at shares with smbclient then mounting them with mount like any other FS a simple concept |
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| 22:59.35 | Megan^ | its easier for me =( |
| 22:59.35 | quitte | hehe i heard newest solaris had a free that doesnt count buffers as used memory to stop users from asking :) |
| 22:59.35 | defy | arent the cute gui's written by people who 'understand linux'? |
| 22:59.35 | supaman | vulture: preprocessor for data compression? ... hmm .. it uses math but isnt much of a use in mathematical analyzis or what? |
| 22:59.35 | christor | quitte: yes OK but why all the memory are used , I have nothing running on the machine? |
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| 22:59.43 | LoRez | christor: linux pre-caches as much as it can. unused memory is wasted memory. |
| 22:59.46 | Megan^ | timeout connecting to 192.168.1.2:445 |
| 22:59.46 | Megan^ | timeout connecting to 192.168.1.2:139 |
| 22:59.46 | Megan^ | Error connecting to 192.168.1.2 (Operation already in progress) |
| 22:59.46 | Megan^ | Connection to 192.168.1.2 failed |
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| 22:59.57 | nvz | heh |
| 22:59.57 | supaman | just wondering :-) |
| 22:59.58 | vulture | supaman: it only works on ascii floating point numbers for a start.. not arbitrary data.. |
| 22:59.59 | Megan^ | nice... |
| 23:00.04 | quitte | christor if you open a file and memory is available the file will stay in memory for faster access |
| 23:00.08 | nvz | Megan^: flood protection ;) |
| 23:00.12 | Megan^ | i noticed |
| 23:00.15 | nvz | Megan^: wecome back |
| 23:00.20 | Megan^ | now, what does that tell u, and thanks |
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| 23:00.32 | nvz | Megan^: well do you have a firewall on the windows box? |
| 23:00.36 | Megan^ | yes i do |
| 23:00.40 | vulture | supaman: it's lossy, so it's data-type specific, and it says it can be used for other things like "denoising" data, and processing EDX-linescans, whatever they are |
| 23:00.42 | Harti | nabend |
| 23:00.46 | christor | quitte: LoRez OKOK thx |
| 23:00.50 | Megan^ | set it to allow 192.168.1.5 (my linux box) |
| 23:00.50 | nvz | Megan^: seems to me like winders is blocking the ports |
| 23:00.59 | Harti | german here? |
| 23:01.04 | minimec | Megan^: Is it possible that you click on the samba shares of the computer your'e working on, and you have not even configured any samba users? |
| 23:01.09 | quitte | Harti #debian.de |
| 23:01.11 | Megan^ | should i allow something in my router? or just on my windows box |
| 23:01.17 | Harti | thx |
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| 23:01.27 | Megan^ | i dont have samba installed -.- |
| 23:01.43 | minimec | Megan^: ok. |
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| 23:02.12 | nvz | Megan^: I dont understand how windows users, used to errors like "STOP: c000000000000:e000000000" and then come to linux and get errors in plain english and not understand em |
| 23:02.17 | defy | Megan^ this might not help you one bit, but i've always found that adding an entry in the hosts file, IP WINHOSTNAME, and then using the name instead of ip, always works a little nicer for me |
| 23:02.23 | Megan^ | lol nvz |
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| 23:03.16 | Phated | nvz: Because they can't figure out the shutdown command to reboot their boxes, of course. |
| 23:03.26 | pigor | when i change to fullscreen-mode there appears an immobile mouse-pointer in addition to the normal mouse-pointer. is it a X-bug? can i fix it without an update? |
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| 23:03.58 | nvz | heh |
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| 23:04.32 | quitte | why isnt the password in linux protected by ctrl-alt-del? |
| 23:04.41 | Megan^ | lol |
| 23:04.43 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 23:05.05 | defy | i thought passwords were protected by encryption, not key combinations? |
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| 23:05.28 | Phated | I dunno. I trust md5 and shadow passwords more than c-a-d, but... |
| 23:05.28 | quitte | defy you obviously never logged in to a nt4 box |
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| 23:05.46 | Megan^ | ... |
| 23:05.48 | directhex | under windows, you need to press the COMPLETELY FOOLPROOF ctrl-alt-del to log in. you can't bypass that with trivial win32 code, no siree |
| 23:05.59 | defy | quitte, no..i have...whats obvious is that i couldnt understand your broken english, but i understand now :) |
| 23:05.59 | thegraham | how can I disable beeping when I tab to complete commands? |
| 23:06.01 | Delph | Phated: oh, i dunno, hammering c-a-d until it reboots into linux works for me. |
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| 23:06.42 | Megan^ | oh well thats just terrific!! |
| 23:06.46 | uGexe | my friend is holding shift down but its not booting to lilo |
| 23:06.51 | Megan^ | i can see my OTHER windows box but not the one i want!! |
| 23:06.53 | quitte | defy: broken english? thats a broken keyboard where i dont know where the ` is. i always have to search it. |
| 23:07.15 | defy | quitte you said password, you meant prompt |
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| 23:07.46 | quitte | defy iirc the help on the log on of windows said ctrl-alt-del protects your password. |
| 23:08.03 | Phated | Delph: We were talking about in Linux in the first place. :) |
| 23:08.22 | bowman | I have a constantly growing list of "held back" packages (Sarge) - is there any chance to tell if and when they will be upgraded? :) |
| 23:08.25 | defy | none of our nt or 2k machines say that |
| 23:08.30 | defy | but *shrug*, im over it |
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| 23:09.13 | mdh | defy: its standard on nt4 and 2000 iirc |
| 23:09.22 | christor | I would like to know using X, ctrl+alt+backspace is used to restart X or to kill X? |
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| 23:09.37 | Phated | Kill. |
| 23:09.41 | bowman | christor: to exit quickly ;) |
| 23:09.45 | Phated | If it restarts, that's the dm working, not x. |
| 23:09.50 | mdh | defy: what they fail to also tell you is that ctrl-alt-del only helps protect your password if its a dual boot system, and you hit it enough to reboot the machine into a secure and operating system :) |
| 23:10.18 | mdh | christor: it'll kill the X server |
| 23:10.55 | christor | I asak you this question because when I use ctrl+alt+backspace, sometimes it restart, sometimes it kill X?? |
| 23:11.26 | christor | and I am using xdm with wmaker |
| 23:11.34 | quitte | christor no it killas always - but when you have a dm running it will start a new server |
| 23:11.35 | Phated | Sometimes you have your dm running, sometimes you don't. |
| 23:11.53 | Herodes | with this: ln -sf /usr/local/bin/script_backup_oracle /etc/cron.dayly/script_backup_oracle, script_backup_oracle should be run every day, yes?? |
| 23:12.04 | nvz | directhex: quick hack to /etc/inittab and you too can have the ctrl+alt+del to login.. |
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| 23:12.28 | Thaiger | At random times X dies on me and I get put back to a login screen after that I can't switch to a VC if I try all I get is a green stripe across the login screen, and if I press enter the imag scrolls around the screen. I've checked the logs haven't found anything |
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| 23:12.42 | quitte | i want a dm that asks for ctrl-alt-del ! |
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| 23:13.14 | directhex | nvz, will it make me more attractive to the ladies? |
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| 23:13.30 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.58 | nvz | directhex: I am not qualified to answer. |
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| 23:14.12 | quitte | nvz i want that stupid window floating around with the three fingers spread hand. |
| 23:14.18 | Thaiger | X crash again |
| 23:14.22 | paulswm | directhex: it's just a key combo, not a miraculous magic spell, heh |
| 23:14.24 | quitte | and have a cronjob to run it on 0401 |
| 23:14.37 | kanati | I'm trying to build a debian box as an HTPC, but I'm having trouble with the sound and ALSA. When I try to play a sound, dmesg shows this error: ALSA sound/pci/via82xx.c:737: invalid via82xx_cur_ptr, using last valid pointer. I'm running 2.6.8, if it makes any difference. |
| 23:14.40 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
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| 23:14.59 | nvz | quitte: heh, oh well .. go for it.. |
| 23:15.48 | quitte | nvz right. i should write it myself - its useless and simple enough for beginners i guess :) |
| 23:16.09 | nvz | I'd like to have a biometric fingerprint scanner and use that for auth |
| 23:16.27 | nvz | it would be a lot less work |
| 23:16.46 | quitte | nvz good idea. can be bypassed with that sand for birds and a thin plastic bag |
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| 23:17.01 | nvz | heh |
| 23:17.24 | nvz | I never tired it |
| 23:17.40 | quitte | i trust the mag i read that in |
| 23:17.47 | nvz | I wonder if those cheap biometric scanners are really that easy to bypass |
| 23:18.11 | quitte | the hardware is |
| 23:18.41 | quitte | some have a logic in software that doesnt allow you to put your finger at the exact same position. |
| 23:18.57 | nvz | heh |
| 23:18.58 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: You get what you pay for. They can be useful as a layer on top of other methods but I would not trust one to be the sole layer at this point. |
| 23:19.01 | nvz | good idea |
| 23:19.02 | quitte | a little more work with sticky tape and stuff then |
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| 23:19.13 | mdh | huzzah. today I get to test windoze apps |
| 23:19.24 | mdh | to which I say - cajones extra por favor |
| 23:19.35 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: yeah I never given it that much thought, as I wouldnt pay $100 or more for something like that anyhow |
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| 23:20.00 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Nor would I. |
| 23:20.01 | Tabitha | is it possible to limit (through sources.list) what packages are available through a deb line? |
| 23:20.10 | Tabitha | i.e. deb <some repository> php4 |
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| 23:21.03 | caphuso | Tabitha: no |
| 23:21.07 | Tabitha | caphuso: boo! |
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| 23:21.10 | broke | hey, can I use cp to copy one dir from my cdrom to a dir on hd ? |
| 23:21.22 | paulswm | broke: yes |
| 23:21.22 | supaman | broke: cp -r |
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| 23:22.27 | christor | Doo you think that my prob of ctrl+alt+backspacce come from this error ? server for display:0 terminated unexpectedly? |
| 23:22.46 | rcon | Dont cry :) |
| 23:22.51 | broke | paulswm, supaman: thnx |
| 23:23.27 | quitte | christor just tell your xserver to ignore ctrl-alt-backspace - problem gone |
| 23:24.01 | kanati | Anyone know how to fix ALSA probs? |
| 23:24.19 | Thaiger | kanati: Depends on what kind of ALSA problems |
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| 23:25.15 | kanati | Thaiger: No sound, and a dmesg error when I try. 'ALSA sound/pci/via82xx.c:737: invalid via82xx_cur_ptr, using last valid pointer' |
| 23:25.18 | christor | quitte: ??? I need ctrl+alt+backspace in order to logout and make a change of user. But sometimes it goes in cosole mode and I don t want that so I m searching why respawn X doesn t work |
| 23:25.31 | snb | hi all |
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| 23:25.37 | shadebob | hi, I search how to boot X only with firefox and no gnome or kde. It's for a pc in a show room... |
| 23:25.39 | quitte | christor no you dont |
| 23:25.51 | quitte | christor x dies when the last client exits |
| 23:26.05 | snb | what is the command to start synaptic package manager from command line? I skrewed up my gnome setup... |
| 23:26.13 | nvz | christor: ctrl+alt+backspace kills the server and all clients, it doesnt properly logout |
| 23:26.17 | snb | synaptec crashed in the middle of an upgrade |
| 23:26.32 | quitte | christor ctrl-alt-backspace is now way of logging out. it just kills the xserver - which is very rude to the clients running |
| 23:26.33 | uncleben_work | Hey, folks. Setting up a cups print server, connected to the parellel port. lpinfo -v isn't showing a parallel connection. lsmod has the parport.o and parport_pc.o modules loaded. How can I get the machine to see the printer? |
| 23:26.45 | caphuso | uncleben_work: lp module missing? |
| 23:26.57 | nvz | quitte: its going to happen anyway unless you use a session manager |
| 23:27.07 | uncleben_work | caphuso: I believe that's compiled in.... |
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| 23:27.38 | christor | quitte> yes I know but in my company, all the users loggout using ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 23:27.48 | quitte | christor so disable it |
| 23:27.50 | nvz | I've never seen a session manager that didnt completly suck ass |
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| 23:27.57 | christor | quitte: lol |
| 23:28.14 | christor | is it possible to attribute the ctrl-alt-backspace to the logout function? |
| 23:28.16 | snb | or how do I upgrade all the upgrades available? |
| 23:28.36 | caphuso | uncleben_work: i don't think that you can have parport modular and lp compiled in |
| 23:28.44 | supaman | snb: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
| 23:29.01 | quitte | christor seriously - we did it when we were in school because netscape wouldnt properly die and then users complained about error messages when logging in again |
| 23:29.03 | nvz | logout is a function of a session manager, otherwise you are just basically going to quit in your wm and killing all your clients and X anyhow |
| 23:29.04 | uncleben_work | Ah, apparently, I didn't have parallel printer support compiled in..... |
| 23:29.07 | uncleben_work | caphuso: Thanks. |
| 23:29.09 | Herodes | for set an hour for run cron.daily is needed to edit crontab and put it on enter cron.daily??. This would affect all crons daily, IS it so? |
| 23:29.23 | snbisi | supaman, E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)... |
| 23:29.38 | snbisi | supaman, synaptic crashed while I was upgrading |
| 23:29.42 | caphuso | Herodes: yes |
| 23:29.44 | resiak | snbisi: As root? |
| 23:29.47 | supaman | snbisi: are you doing this as root? |
| 23:29.48 | resiak | snbisi: Ah. |
| 23:30.03 | snbisi | resiak, ugh.. good point... |
| 23:30.07 | Herodes | caphuso, is there any alternative way? |
| 23:30.35 | caphuso | Herodes: no |
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| 23:30.50 | caphuso | Herodes: well, maybe, but you're not very clear on what you want to achieve |
| 23:31.15 | Herodes | caphuso, ok....certainly...:) |
| 23:31.25 | snbisi | resiak, supaman, as root it seems to be working... but stuck in the middle of downloading package list |
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| 23:31.36 | cafuego | bob2: You awake? |
| 23:31.41 | resiak | snbisi: Waiting is the way forward. |
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| 23:32.29 | snbisi | resiak, yeah :)... its moving now :) |
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| 23:33.21 | penta | Why do i get this error message : >WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! e2fslibs e2fsprogs sed tetex-base libblkid1 libcomerr2 libss2 gcc-3.3-base libstdc++5 |
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| 23:33.49 | ll77 | i got "The version number 2.6.10"" is not all lowercase." when building a third party module |
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| 23:34.22 | jazzmanss | what is the command that shows all processes and pid? (not top, I need a complete list) |
| 23:34.26 | ll77 | how can i make the make-kpkg modules_image to compile? |
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| 23:34.27 | spunout | How do I change the default applications for handling things. running kde and thunderbird, and when I click a link I get epiphany, not firefox...? |
| 23:34.27 | caphuso | jazzmanss: ps |
| 23:34.32 | tazle | I'm puzzled |
| 23:34.33 | supaman | jazzmanss: ps -A |
| 23:34.40 | spunout | ps aux |
| 23:34.49 | doub | spunout: update-alternatives |
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| 23:34.51 | tazle | rpcinfo -p localhost does't even get through to portmap |
| 23:34.55 | jazzmanss | thanks, I was having a brainfart. |
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| 23:35.03 | quitte | spunout in gnome? |
| 23:35.06 | tazle | remote rpcinfo -p myip gets through, but doesn't get any response |
| 23:35.10 | PF | Hi, I'm Michael Jackson and the truth will come out.....then I will be vendicated |
| 23:35.26 | PF | Heee he |
| 23:35.26 | spunout | I'm in kde.. have both installed. |
| 23:35.45 | tazle | local rpcinfo -p myip gives an error: "rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Invalid argument" |
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| 23:35.58 | spunout | doub: update-alternatives? a command??oh maybe i have to be root... |
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| 23:36.18 | quitte | in both kde and gnome for files it should be somewhere in right click |
| 23:36.19 | doub | spunout: yes |
| 23:36.31 | quitte | spunout no you can do it for user,only |
| 23:36.45 | tazle | connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("10.176.70.55")}, 16) = -1 EIN |
| 23:36.47 | tazle | VAL (Invalid argument) |
| 23:36.51 | tazle | strange |
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| 23:37.43 | quitte | spunout update-alternatives is for the case that sveral programs provide the same command. for example if you have several versions of gcc installed upate-alternatives set a link to the version that is going to be used by default |
| 23:37.48 | Eagle101 | help. everytime i do apt-get update & apt-get upgrade, i see k3b k3blibs there, and after i install them, i still see them there when i do apt-get upgrade... |
| 23:37.52 | spunout | what is the generic handle for a web browser? |
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| 23:38.24 | Sysdrum | phated: my girlfriend call me fat now I am sad. |
| 23:38.27 | quitte | spunout wait a second and i'll tell you how to change it in gnome. no idea how to change it in kde |
| 23:38.41 | cafuego | Sysdrum: Don't be sad, excercise. |
| 23:38.57 | quitte | Sysdrum: thats nothing compared to what she will be if you call her fat |
| 23:38.59 | doub | spunout: x-www-browser |
| 23:38.59 | scarynetworkguy | Sysdrum: Kill yourself. It really is the only option. |
| 23:39.04 | quitte | Sysdrum: or even ugly |
| 23:39.09 | doub | spunout: you can find all alternatives in /etc/alternatives |
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| 23:39.14 | Debian_SP | ahaha |
| 23:39.23 | panda | how to set up users starting up X? which configure file to edit? |
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| 23:39.34 | quitte | doub one of us didnt understand what update-alternatives does |
| 23:40.02 | mikkele | spunout: just rught click the file in konqeror, open with, other, remember decision. simple |
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| 23:40.15 | cafuego | quitte: it creates symlinks in /etc/alternatives |
| 23:40.16 | supaman | panda: uhh ... adduser adds users to your system if thats what you want .. |
| 23:40.28 | quitte | cafuego so it is doub |
| 23:40.37 | supaman | panda: else I dont understand what you want to do |
| 23:40.53 | Eagle101 | help. everytime i do apt-get update & apt-get upgrade, i see k3b k3blibs there, and after i install them, i still see them there when i do apt-get upgrade... |
| 23:40.55 | doub | quitte: we have the same definition, what's the problem? |
| 23:40.58 | brb | I'm trying to run debian through colinux on my laptop, but apt-get fails with a "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--length error |
| 23:41.02 | spunout | mikkele, the update-alternatives should make it do it automagickally... trying to get the thunderbird links to open up in firefox. |
| 23:41.02 | panda | supaman, my X server can be start in tty1-6, but can't not in xterm |
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| 23:41.18 | supaman | Eagle101: does dpkg -s k3b show anything? |
| 23:41.24 | quitte | doub gnome and kde wont care |
| 23:41.42 | doub | quitte: depends on how they're configured |
| 23:41.43 | supaman | panda: of course the X-server cant be started from xterm, it is allready running ... |
| 23:41.46 | brb | That is followed by Err http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) |
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| 23:42.02 | panda | supaman, i mean X :1 |
| 23:42.08 | quitte | doub in debian default configuration gnome uses epiphany and kde konqueror. p |
| 23:42.27 | doub | quitte: yes, and you can manage it with alternatives |
| 23:42.35 | quitte | which is quite dumb as installing gnome doesnt install epiphany |
| 23:42.39 | Eagle101 | supaman: yup, alot of things |
| 23:42.40 | panda | how to enable/disable users to start up X? |
| 23:42.47 | supaman | panda: ahhh ... then I cant help you |
| 23:42.51 | brb | What sort of workarounds do I have available in an image file of debian? |
| 23:42.57 | doub | quitte: not that i use gnome much anyway |
| 23:43.05 | supaman | Eagle101: something about being installed? |
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| 23:43.23 | vulture | panda: um.. they are users, they have as much right to run an X server as they have to run "ls".. |
| 23:43.25 | quitte | doub ok i apologise then. |
| 23:43.26 | supaman | Eagle101: Status: install ok insalled |
| 23:43.33 | vulture | why would you want to change that? |
| 23:43.56 | panda | vulture, why i can't run X from xterm? |
| 23:43.56 | Eagle101 | supaman: yup |
| 23:44.01 | doub | quitte: no problem |
| 23:44.04 | vulture | panda: I don't understand your question. |
| 23:44.15 | panda | vulture, then you can't answer |
| 23:44.16 | FieldySnuts | define "run X", also, remotely or locally? if remotely, how are you logging in? |
| 23:44.21 | quitte | hmm. my gnome doesnt care that x-ww-browser points to galeon. it uses epiphany |
| 23:44.22 | FieldySnuts | @troll panda |
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| 23:44.30 | quitte | doub^^^ |
| 23:44.33 | arturo | hello! |
| 23:44.43 | panda | I WANT TO START UP X server |
| 23:44.46 | vulture | panda: apparently |
| 23:44.59 | vulture | panda: if you are running xterm, you already have one.. why do you need another? |
| 23:45.03 | quitte | doub and i didnt configure anything before it did that |
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| 23:45.10 | FieldySnuts | vulture: this is true ehh |
| 23:45.10 | Delph | panda: you have an x server started up. you want to start up another one. What is going wrong when you try to start up another one? |
| 23:45.10 | panda | I want to start up X server from xterm |
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| 23:45.12 | mikkele | heh. one would suppose X was running if an xterm is ... |
| 23:45.14 | Thaiger | panda: Whats the problem? |
| 23:45.21 | panda | I want to start up another X server from xterm |
| 23:45.24 | vulture | panda: which would serve what purpose? |
| 23:45.26 | penta | Why do i get this error message : >WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! e2fslibs e2fsprogs sed tetex-base libblkid1 libcomerr2 libss2 gcc-3.3-base libstdc++5 |
| 23:45.29 | Eagle101 | supaman: what do u think? |
| 23:45.32 | Thaiger | Panda: startx -- :1 tty8 |
| 23:45.34 | FieldySnuts | panda: startx -- :1 most likely, want another? :2 |
| 23:45.47 | doub | quitte: so, i don't use gnome enough to know. it seemed to me that gnome relies on the 'sensible-browser' command which in turn, under X, uses the x-www-browser alternative. but that was some time ago |
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| 23:46.03 | panda | Thaiger, that won't work in xterm |
| 23:46.12 | supaman | Eagle101: hmm ... dont know .. tried apt-get check and then see if you still see the packages? |
| 23:46.14 | panda | Thaiger, that won't work in xterm FieldySnuts |
| 23:46.27 | FieldySnuts | panda: yes. it does. you are asking bad questions. |
| 23:46.31 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: smart questions? |
| 23:46.31 | ravenbird | smart questions is, like, "Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html", or http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 23:46.45 | Delph | panda: well, i just did it here, and it worked. |
| 23:46.47 | FieldySnuts | have fun, i'm outta that one |
| 23:46.51 | doub | quitte: anyway, you can change that behavior somewhere in the graphical config tools, iirc |
| 23:46.59 | panda | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 23:47.00 | larsie | Hi! I've got a Celleron 366, with 128Mbytes of RAM, and a 540 mbytes disk. |
| 23:47.07 | panda | FieldySnuts, ^^ |
| 23:47.10 | larsie | Does that do for a Debian system? |
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| 23:47.18 | quitte | doub hmm now it works. didnt work a few days ago. at least not for me. had hours and hours of trouble figuring out why just calling an url doesnt work. |
| 23:47.19 | dvs | panda: as root? |
| 23:47.25 | panda | Delph, X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 23:47.29 | vulture | larsie: it'll do just fine |
| 23:47.33 | panda | dvs, no |
| 23:47.40 | spunout | I removed epiphany (and withit gnome and gnome-desktop environment) |
| 23:47.41 | quitte | doub but it works the way you described now. which is good. |
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| 23:48.17 | supaman | panda: what is the precise command you are giving? |
| 23:48.19 | quitte | who was that guy that wanted to know how to change default browser oin gnome as a user? |
| 23:48.22 | panda | I want to start up another X server from xterm. But it won't work, i got: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 23:48.24 | Herodes | caphuso, for link a script into cron.hourly -> ln -sf /usr/local/bin/script_backup_oracle /etc/cron.hourly/script_backup_oracle ?? |
| 23:48.28 | Eagle101 | supaman: i did apt-get check k3b and i dont see any packages |
| 23:48.29 | panda | supaman, startx -- :1 |
| 23:48.32 | FieldySnuts | never seen that error doing that |
| 23:48.42 | FieldySnuts | dunno what to say, i mean i do that often |
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| 23:48.47 | vulture | panda: I think the implication was that you should su to root first.. |
| 23:48.54 | vulture | panda: in any case, what's the point? |
| 23:48.54 | FieldySnuts | not really |
| 23:49.05 | Delph | vulture: naah, its something about doing it within that xterm that prevents it. |
| 23:49.09 | Tabitha | I'm attempting to build php4 from source provided by dotdeb.org but upon compile I get the following: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libc-client-dev, libkrb5-dev, libcurl2-dev, libpng3-dev, libwrap0-dev, po-debconf, libmcrypt-dev (>=2.4.18-1), libming-dev, postgresql-dev (>=7.2-4), chrpath, libgmp3-dev |
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| 23:49.15 | Delph | vulture: i can do it from my regular account on a console |
| 23:49.19 | Tabitha | (compile being dpkg-buildpackage) |
| 23:49.20 | quitte | programs->desktop settings->complex->preferred applications. maybe slightly different. translated it myself |
| 23:49.22 | panda | vulture, in tty1, i don't need to be root |
| 23:49.25 | mdh | panda: check your Xwrapper.config |
| 23:49.25 | Delph | but not through an xterm. |
| 23:49.43 | panda | mdh, that's the point, thanks |
| 23:49.46 | doub | Tabitha: well you just have to install those |
| 23:49.47 | Herodes | i linked that....., change crontab for set it to minute actual...restart cron....and it did not work |
| 23:49.51 | Herodes | caphuso, i linked that....., change crontab for set it to minute actual...restart cron....and it did not work |
| 23:49.59 | supaman | Eagle101: well, check just checks for broken dependencies and updates the packages cache, it doesnt need a package to check on |
| 23:50.08 | Tabitha | doub: Does that mean I have to backport all of those packages? |
| 23:50.08 | doub | Tabitha: if your source is configured as an apt repository, do 'apt-get build-dep <package>' |
| 23:50.13 | Delph | mdh: thats the bugger. thanks. |
| 23:50.27 | Tabitha | doub: I'm editing debian/rules to add in pspell support |
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| 23:50.56 | caphuso | Herodes: does that script work when you start it in your shell? |
| 23:51.04 | supaman | Eagle101: thougth perhaps the package cache was not updated |
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| 23:51.18 | Herodes | caphuso, it does |
| 23:51.31 | Tabitha | doub: it is an apt repository.. if I use -d will that be bad? ;) |
| 23:51.31 | Zetabyte | hey all - I'm running debian sid and I had an X-windows crash (gnome). Now my main panel (with my buttons, menu, clock, etc) is gone. How do I get that back, is there some command i run from the prompt? |
| 23:51.34 | caphuso | Herodes: did any of the other scripts in cron.hourly run? |
| 23:51.58 | theaptitu | hello, i wonder whether the maximum a swap can be, is it 1gb? i've tried mkswap'ing a 2gb partition, but it was made to be a 1gb swap |
| 23:52.11 | theaptitu | even though my RAM is 2gb |
| 23:52.15 | quitte | Zetabyte kill gnome-panel and start a new one |
| 23:52.15 | doub | Tabitha: chances are it won't build as expected |
| 23:52.15 | caphuso | theaptitu: depends on your arch |
| 23:52.17 | Eagle101 | supaman: can it be because i might have mixed apt sources? |
| 23:52.27 | Herodes | caphuso, jesus@makina:~$ ls /etc/cron.hourly/ |
| 23:52.27 | Herodes | provas |
| 23:52.27 | Zetabyte | quitte ok, trying that now =) |
| 23:52.31 | jazzmans | theaptitu: i have 2 gig swap space. No problems making or mounting it. |
| 23:52.32 | theaptitu | caphuso, it's pentium mobile 1.7ghz |
| 23:52.37 | doub | Tabitha: have you checked backports.org ? maybe they have what you want ? |
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| 23:52.45 | Herodes | caphuso, i only have this,. |
| 23:52.46 | theaptitu | jazzmans, hmm |
| 23:52.47 | caphuso | theaptitu: should be 2GiB then |
| 23:52.58 | Tabitha | doub: I'm getting this from there, but i need pspell support so a recompile is required. |
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| 23:53.09 | supaman | Eagle101: dont think so ... it should take the newest one and install it and then mark it as installed ... what command do you give to see that apt still wants to install it? |
| 23:53.15 | Zetabyte | quitte as soon as i start "gnome-panel" it immediatly exits (127) |
| 23:54.02 | spunout | doub: so what's my syntax here? update-alternatives --install x-www-browser /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox doesnt work |
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| 23:54.05 | caphuso | Herodes: what's your line for cron.hourly in /etc/crontab? |
| 23:54.09 | orfeu | i love debian ! :) |
| 23:54.22 | doub | Tabitha: try the apt-get build-dep thing, and you'll have to find backports for the versioned deps |
| 23:54.33 | nvz | heh, this girl Rachel Ray cracks me up, she talks like such a yinzer its kinda cute |
| 23:54.45 | Herodes | caphuso, 43 * * * * root run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly |
| 23:54.45 | Herodes | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.48 | doub | spunout: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 23:54.55 | daft | I see in the kernel docu that lots of /proc features move to /sys is /sys the supasor of /proc? |
| 23:54.56 | nvz | kinda reminds me of my aunt |
| 23:54.57 | doub | spunout: it will give you a choice of the possible alternatives |
| 23:55.08 | Eagle101 | supaman: apt-get update then apt-get upgrade...also i try apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:55.09 | Herodes | caphuso, before that time ofcourse |
| 23:55.12 | quitte | Zetabyte hmm. dont know then. gnome behaves a little strange when it isnt exitted properly. logging out and killing all processes that are left of gnome - so basically al processes of that user sometimes fixes it |
| 23:55.17 | doub | spunout: --install only adds a choice, does not use it |
| 23:55.22 | Xemacs_ | Tabitha, see i told you apt-get.org might be alot quicker |
| 23:55.38 | doub | spunout: and besides, it should be done automatically by pkg install scripts |
| 23:55.44 | Zetabyte | quitte - i have already /etc/init.d/gdm stop then /.../gdm start 'd a few times |
| 23:55.57 | bobibleyboo | hey any one have time a little palm troubleshooting? |
| 23:55.57 | Tabitha | Xemacs_: I am getting this from there. PHP4 does not have pspell support compiled in so I need to recompile. Do you understand? |
| 23:56.01 | quitte | Zetabyte: the processes survived that. |
| 23:56.06 | supaman | Eagle101: what does apt-get install k3b tell you? |
| 23:56.11 | nvz | she just said buidiful.. she's such a yinzer |
| 23:56.21 | caphuso | Herodes: what does "run-parts --test /etc/cron.hourly" say? |
| 23:56.26 | spunout | doub: but, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser sets the default to firefox, but now no link from thunderbird at all since I uninstalled epiphany (why have it if i dont wnat it??) |
| 23:56.29 | Zetabyte | quitte - so ensure I kill everythin with "gnome" in it, in between the start and stop? |
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| 23:56.41 | Xemacs_ | Tabitha, I didnt see the rest of you conversation (sorry) |
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| 23:56.56 | Eagle101 | supaman: that it installed successfully |
| 23:56.58 | ^m0se5 | what program do I use to partition an ide drive from Knoppix? |
| 23:56.58 | quitte | Zetabyte and everything else of the user that isnt bash |
| 23:57.02 | Tabitha | apt-get build-dep php4: Package libc-client-dev has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 23:57.09 | supaman | Eagle101: and if you do it again? |
| 23:57.19 | Tabitha | E: Package libc-client-dev has no installation candidate |
| 23:57.19 | Tabitha | E: Build-Depends dependency on php4 cannot be satisfied because the package libcurl2-dev cannot be found |
| 23:57.37 | Zetabyte | quitte ok, i'll try that. thanks for the suggestions =) |
| 23:57.43 | Herodes | caphuso, where can i see it? |
| 23:57.48 | quitte | Zetabyte: just did it on purpose |
| 23:57.50 | doub | spunout: ok that's another problem. you have to tell thunderbird to use the 'sensible-browser' command for www browser |
| 23:57.51 | caphuso | Herodes: uh, on your terminal |
| 23:58.05 | Eagle101 | supaman: i still see it there... |
| 23:58.19 | quitte | Zetabyte the evil processes here are bonobo-activation-server and evolution-data-server-1.0 |
| 23:58.27 | Xemacs_ | Tabitha, build-deps may be a good start but. if there is a backport why ignore someone elses work, that might make you job alot easier ;) ?? |
| 23:58.34 | Herodes | caphuso, /etc/cron.hourly/provas |
| 23:58.34 | supaman | Eagle101: if you give the command apt-get install k3b twice does it install the package twice? |
| 23:58.39 | Xemacs_ | s/you/your |
| 23:58.44 | doub | Tabitha: install backports of those packages too |
| 23:58.53 | caphuso | Herodes: alright. rename the script to script-backup-oracle and try again |
| 23:58.56 | supaman | Eagle101: and the same version number in both times? |
| 23:59.01 | bobibleyboo | anyone have a good how-to for syncing a USB palm to evolution on sid? (I can not get gnome pilot to connect) |
| 23:59.05 | Eagle101 | supaman: let me check |
| 23:59.05 | mdh | nvz: my gf is american but has lived here in .au for 6 years, she says some words like "awesome" with a strong US accent and other words like "sooo..." with a strong .au country accent. Its cute =) |
| 23:59.27 | Herodes | caphuso, sorry.I did it with correct name, |
| 23:59.35 | daft | how can I trigger a program from a event in a device output |
| 23:59.42 | caphuso | Herodes: what? |
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