| 00:00.11 | daft | /proc/acpi/event for an example |
| 00:00.11 | Delph | bobibleyboo: which palm? |
| 00:00.12 | Eagle101 | supaman: yup, it installed the package twice...same version |
| 00:00.14 | Tabitha | Xemacs_: The bloody backport does not have pspell support. I am downloading the source from their respository, but need to build it myself. |
| 00:00.18 | Herodes | caphuso, i did so: ln -sf /home/jesus/provas /etc/cron.hourly/provas |
| 00:00.23 | Tabitha | *tap tap* is this thing on? :) |
| 00:00.26 | bobibleyboo | Clie TG-50 |
| 00:00.33 | Herodes | caphuso, being provas script to cron |
| 00:00.40 | caphuso | Herodes: WTF is that provas thing now? |
| 00:00.45 | Xemacs_ | Tabitha, i hear you |
| 00:00.51 | nvz | mdh: yeah there rilly in't anythin cute bout bean a yinzer.. |
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| 00:00.54 | supaman | Eagle101: from the same source? or did it take it from two seperate sources (you said you had many sources in sources.config) |
| 00:01.03 | Herodes | caphuso, sorry? |
| 00:01.05 | doub | Tabitha: btw, php4 is in woody, why not use this one to recompile from source with your options? |
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| 00:01.08 | Delph | bobibleyboo: i'll just warn you that some of the palm formats dont quite sync right (and you lost half your data) |
| 00:01.10 | kanati | Any ALSA experts here? |
| 00:01.12 | nvz | mdh: just something about the way you can only tell when they say certain things |
| 00:01.24 | supaman | Eagle101: what version of debian are you running? stable-testing-unstable? |
| 00:01.28 | doub | Tabitha: i bet it would be a lot simpler |
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| 00:01.53 | caphuso | Herodes: go away |
| 00:01.55 | Eagle101 | supaman: testiing, and yes i do have too many sources, so how can i check from which source is it downloading from? |
| 00:02.03 | Tabitha | doub: This is a production system that requires a newer version of php than is currently provided with woody. I need pspell support in addition. I can compile php4.1.2-7 myself without issue. I need 4.3.x or greater for a new application |
| 00:02.11 | Tabitha | So help me you tell me to run perl, I'll stab you in the face. |
| 00:02.14 | Tabitha | k. thanks. ;) |
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| 00:02.30 | Herodes | caphuso, WTF? i did not underestan you |
| 00:02.35 | supaman | Eagle101: when it is downloading it says from what source it is getting the files .. but this sounds like a bug |
| 00:02.40 | caphuso | Herodes: What The Fuck |
| 00:02.45 | Herodes | oh |
| 00:03.01 | tazle | hmm |
| 00:03.02 | Pendragon | dpkg are you there? |
| 00:03.04 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Pendragon |
| 00:03.10 | tazle | 10.176.70.55 is an address of a local interface |
| 00:03.12 | Pendragon | lol |
| 00:03.28 | Pendragon | is dpkg a bot? |
| 00:03.30 | nvz | dpkg, lol? |
| 00:03.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 00:03.31 | tazle | yet ip route get 10.176.70.55 says Invalid argument |
| 00:03.42 | nvz | dpkg, what are you? |
| 00:03.42 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 00:03.47 | Pendragon | or just a fast typer? |
| 00:03.57 | Xemacs_ | dpkg, blootbot |
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| 00:03.59 | dpkg | somebody said blootbot was a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 00:04.01 | doub | Tabitha: so download the build-deps by hand, from your backport repository, install them with dpkg, and you're in |
| 00:04.07 | Herodes | caphuso, provas is a sample for check if my_script_job would run |
| 00:04.23 | kanati | That's a 'no' then? |
| 00:04.39 | caphuso | Herodes: oh, damnit. didn't you tell me earlier that you were trying to run /etc/cron.hourly/script_backup_oracle? |
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| 00:05.07 | mikkele | !msg |
| 00:05.07 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 00:05.18 | Herodes | caphuso, yes.. I made other script...... for test if it would go |
| 00:05.35 | Eagle101 | supaman: i still cant see the source while its downloading... |
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| 00:05.44 | caphuso | Herodes: and how am i supposed to help you if you change the fucking problem WITHOUT TELLING ME? |
| 00:05.58 | caphuso | Herodes: now, go away. i'm done with you |
| 00:07.04 | thd | What is the proper way to change from the $MAIL environment variable being set to setting $MAILDIR instead. Within /etc/login.defs , I commented out MAIL_FILE, and uncommented QMAIL_DIR. The result is that both $MAIL and $MAILDIR are set. How do I set only $MAILDIR but not $MAIL ? |
| 00:07.11 | ^m0se5 | what program do I use to partition an ide drive from Knoppix? |
| 00:07.12 | supaman | Eagle101: hmm... I just installed k3b and tried right afterwards again and apt-get said correctly that the newest version was installed ... so, there doesnt seem to be anything wrong with the package |
| 00:07.19 | Herodes | caphuso,sorry me. scrip_backup_oracle is the scrip i must run in the job with oracle backup. ORacle i dont have it here at home. Only changed it for test if it would go. |
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| 00:07.44 | caphuso | ^m0se5: fdisk/cfdisk/sfdisk and use #knoppix not #debian |
| 00:07.45 | daft | ^m0se5, qtparted? |
| 00:08.04 | nvz | "fucking problem"s are said to be corrected by modern medicine in most cases, if not surgery |
| 00:08.10 | spunout | ^m0se5: qtparted. although I much prefer the simpler, text-based parted which is there too. qtparted has done me wrong before, but parted never has |
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| 00:08.20 | caphuso | nvz: or flamethrowers |
| 00:08.34 | supaman | Eagle101: doesnt it say Get1: some_destination testing/bla k3b-version [size] ? |
| 00:08.35 | mwilson | Why would you use qparted or parted to partition a hard disk? |
| 00:08.39 | nvz | caphuso: I fail to see that one. |
| 00:08.56 | spunout | mwilson: why not use parted?? |
| 00:08.57 | caphuso | nvz: come over and i'll show you ;-) |
| 00:09.00 | Herodes | caphuso, i did not want to insert oracle and disturb the autentic problem, tant it was to cron dailye a script. |
| 00:09.05 | mikkele | thd: I'm not sure where it's set, but you can always unset MAIL in /etc/profile or .bashrc or similar |
| 00:09.19 | mwilson | spunout: Why in the world wouldn't you just use fdisk? |
| 00:09.24 | spunout | cfdisk is nice too... |
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| 00:09.49 | mwilson | spunout: You think handing a cluebie a tool like parted is a good idea? |
| 00:09.53 | Eagle101 | supaman: well yea, but it downloads and installs it so fast that i cant even see the source... |
| 00:10.14 | daft | mwilson, I go out of the fackt that knoppix is used for boxes whe a other OS on it it can resize those partitions |
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| 00:10.25 | supaman | Eagle101: cant you scroll up? shift-pgup |
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| 00:11.05 | mikkele | thd: I see mine is set in /etc/profile |
| 00:11.15 | spunout | mwilson, I dunno. what's the difference between the two?? all I know is i can seem to get both of them to work ok. |
| 00:12.14 | spunout | mwilson, parted helps you resize, which might be what someone wants to do if they want to squeeze their knoppix disk onto their windows install. |
| 00:12.42 | Eagle101 | supaman: yes i can, but it wont show the source address anywhere |
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| 00:13.24 | spunout | from fdisk manual: fdisk is a buggy program that does fuzzy things |
| 00:13.41 | spunout | use cfdisk whenever possible it says. |
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| 00:14.09 | thd | mikkele: running the latest sarge there is nothing $MAIL related in my /etc/profile. What would the syntax be for unsetting an environment variable anyways as opposed to setting the variable to an empty string that may not have the same effect? |
| 00:14.09 | Pendragon | that damn dpkg needs allot of work |
| 00:14.27 | mwilson | spunout: Why in the world would anyone want to do that with a Knoppix install? Knoppix is bad enough... you want to install it on a HD? |
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| 00:14.38 | mikkele | thd: unset foo is the syntax for unsetting $foo |
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| 00:15.14 | supaman | Eagle101: well, im all out of ideas ... |
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| 00:15.20 | nvz | mwilson: think about it.. you got windows xp.. well you know that old saying "misery loves company" ... |
| 00:15.44 | mwilson | nvz: I'd only have XP for long enough to replace it with 2k. |
| 00:15.50 | spunout | mwilson, knoppix seems easy. It gives the veneer of being polished and having everythign there, preconfigured and working. I liked my knoppix hd-install, before that computer blew up on me |
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| 00:16.03 | Eagle101 | supaman: so am i, thanks alot for trying to help though |
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| 00:16.11 | spunout | you can turn knoppix into debian sid, if you install it properly. |
| 00:16.15 | nvz | mwilson: yeah you would most likely have to install 2k clean after formatting the partition |
| 00:16.21 | mwilson | Except that you can't, of course. |
| 00:16.23 | jetscreamer | ~win mwilson |
| 00:16.25 | apt | Congratulations, mwilson! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 00:16.36 | nvz | mwilson: 2k was what drove me to linux full time |
| 00:16.37 | mwilson | Knoppix into Debian Sid, that is. |
| 00:16.38 | supaman | Eagle101: apt-get check (with no package name given) should update the package cache ... and then apt-get should know which is the newest and not bother you about this again ... |
| 00:16.53 | jetscreamer | no dist-upgrading knoppix with pure debian borks |
| 00:16.57 | daft | nvz, with a knoppix kernel ;) |
| 00:16.57 | jetscreamer | or used to |
| 00:17.03 | mwilson | Like anyone who'd be using Knoppix in the first place is competent to be using Sid, anyway. |
| 00:17.03 | nvz | mwilson: damn windows update of media player caused me to enter an endless rebooting cycle |
| 00:17.26 | spunout | jetscreamer, you have to do the debian-installer install style. works now. |
| 00:17.27 | Spundun | hi all.. I am still trying to find my way through the mess that happened when synaptic crashed |
| 00:17.54 | nvz | Spundun: you make that sound like a natural disaster |
| 00:18.10 | nvz | Spundun: you are not going to get cnn coverage, give up |
| 00:18.10 | mwilson | I thought only Unbunties used synaptic? |
| 00:18.17 | nvz | heh |
| 00:18.32 | nvz | maybe because ubuntu is gnome oriented? |
| 00:18.50 | Spundun | when I reboot the machine... gnome doesnt start... I mean X starts and the login screen appears... beyond that the blank X desktop stares at me... I am able to start gnome-terminal etc by going to the console (ctrl alt f1) and starting it on X |
| 00:18.50 | mwilson | It's not Gnome-oriented, it's Gnome's wet dream. |
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| 00:19.11 | spunout | nvz, kpackage sucks. |
| 00:19.22 | cafuego | It's Gnome and set up to just work as a straightforward desktop. Nothing wrong with it. |
| 00:19.34 | Rennegade | gogo command |
| 00:19.37 | spunout | I find synaptic works nicely for me |
| 00:19.39 | nvz | spunout: does kpackage serve as a debian package manager? |
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| 00:19.48 | spunout | nvz, barely |
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| 00:19.50 | Rennegade | I believe so |
| 00:19.51 | mwilson | In typical Gnome fashion, they mis-manage this so badly that people actually want to install KDE on Ubuntu. |
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| 00:20.00 | tatoo | does somebody know if there is a way to read "visio" files from dia or whatever diagram software? a friend is changing the platform and he must know about it. |
| 00:20.05 | cafuego | mwilson: no, you're quite mistaken. |
| 00:20.11 | nvz | spunout: I havent used it since like RedHat 5.x days |
| 00:20.18 | Spundun | any idea how to go about finxing the above mentioned problem? |
| 00:20.20 | mwilson | cafuego: People don't want to install KDE on Ubuntu? |
| 00:20.33 | mwilson | tatoo: Unfortunately, no, there's not. |
| 00:20.37 | spunout | mwilson, I tried to install kde on ubuntu before |
| 00:20.39 | cafuego | mwilson: Not sane ones. (But then, no sane person would want KDE on ANYTHING) |
| 00:20.53 | spunout | I love my KDE. |
| 00:20.58 | Rennegade | truth |
| 00:21.01 | cafuego | spunout: I love my sanity. |
| 00:21.15 | cafuego | Especially poached |
| 00:21.38 | cafuego | mwilson: You tell me in what way my ubuntu/gnome box is not useable, then <heh> |
| 00:21.40 | spunout | I love my transparency, my sftp:// in konqeror and preview in advanced text editor in the window so I can view source code while sftp'ing in from my file manager |
| 00:21.41 | nvz | I just had a look at kdebase recently, and it seems to work a hell of a lot better than gnome in sarge |
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| 00:22.05 | caphuso | nvz: the big adantage is that it's not built upon gtk2 |
| 00:22.06 | nvz | gnome-session is the worst piece of shit I ever seen |
| 00:22.12 | caphuso | so it actually has a chance of working |
| 00:22.21 | cafuego | caphuso: The big drawback is that it's built on qt <heh> |
| 00:22.22 | Delph | nvz: you appear to have a "-session" in there by accident. |
| 00:22.29 | nvz | Delph: heh |
| 00:22.30 | mwilson | caphuso: Have you ever LOOKED at tools like gedit? |
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| 00:22.42 | Spundun | is theere a way to find out what packages I installed in last 5 hours and reinstall/re configure them? |
| 00:22.49 | nvz | Delph: appears so. |
| 00:22.53 | caphuso | mwilson: in gnome 2.0-rcsomething or so |
| 00:23.03 | mwilson | caphuso: Well, it's gotten worse. |
| 00:23.04 | tatoo | mwilson: maybe he could emulate his jobs throughout the wine? |
| 00:23.09 | Zetabyte | quitte - i got it working again - believe it or not, gnome-panel was UNINSTALLED - upon reinstalling it everything seems to be working |
| 00:23.26 | cafuego | Fuck it. I'm switching to to Win2K. |
| 00:23.31 | Zetabyte | I think some packages, or package dependancies, in Sid might be borked =/ |
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| 00:23.53 | mwilson | Zetabyte: And you think this because...? |
| 00:23.54 | Eagle101 | help. why does apt-upgrade tells me that i have to upgrade k3b & k3blibs even though i upgraded it 1000 times...seems like its not marking it as upgraded...please help |
| 00:23.54 | caphuso | Zetabyte: oh, really? that must be the first time ever |
| 00:24.06 | nvz | My problems with gnome are that as long as I can remember you cannot even log in and out of gnome properly.. on most all my systems on nearly every login, the splash screen hangs and the logouts take days |
| 00:24.06 | quitte | Zetabyte: hehe. |
| 00:24.23 | doub | Spundun: package installs aren't logged, AFAIK. but if something is borked, you can try to fix it with 'dpkg -f install' and 'dpkg --configure -a' |
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| 00:24.34 | caphuso | doub: apt-get -f install |
| 00:24.39 | nvz | I even tried disabling the splash.. it doesnt go away until you open the session properties dialog |
| 00:24.42 | Zetabyte | I'm not complaining or anything, just stating a possibility, no need to kill the messenger. I had an install-fest at my house over the weekend and we had a lot of problems with kde and/or gnome breaking |
| 00:25.01 | Zetabyte | it might be related to the (3rd party, and thus not your problem) proprietary nvidia driver |
| 00:25.02 | mwilson | caphuso: It's amazing how many cluebies tell other cluebies to use '-f install' and don't even know what it does. |
| 00:25.03 | doub | caphuso: my bad. i need to sleep |
| 00:25.04 | Spundun | doub: I dont know what is broken... there were about 300 upgrades and 20-40 new installed packages... |
| 00:25.05 | nvz | the only way to boot gnome and get out every time is to rm -rf ~/.gnome* all the time |
| 00:25.09 | guru | what package provides mplex? |
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| 00:25.15 | caphuso | guru: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:25.20 | uruboro | nvz the login screen hangs with me too, since the day i added some scripts to my session, maybe you did too? |
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| 00:25.43 | nvz | uruboro: nope even without messing with anything.. its just way too screwed up for me |
| 00:25.48 | mwilson | caphuso: But that's the first time I saw one attribute it to dpkg. |
| 00:25.50 | meyou | simple question, probably easily answered in a faq somewhere, but...i've got a debian server set up with exim set to local delivery only |
| 00:25.50 | quitte | Zetabyte uhm nvidia drivers are in debian. |
| 00:26.00 | meyou | how can i make it do outside delivery? |
| 00:26.07 | mwilson | quitte: Uhm, no, they're not, they're in non-free. |
| 00:26.07 | caphuso | meyou: exim3 or exim4? |
| 00:26.10 | mdh | mwilson: -f is the short form of --fuckup ;) |
| 00:26.10 | uruboro | nvz oh ic, i'd check the gnome session anyway. |
| 00:26.23 | meyou | caphuso: 4 i'd imagine, debian-stable |
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| 00:26.24 | doub | Spundun: if something is not fully installed, those will be fixed. but that won't save what was planned to install and is not already |
| 00:26.28 | nvz | uruboro: I tried getting luxus the big retarded penguin to start with the kid's desktop so sawfish could match the window and place it in the corner of her desktop.. |
| 00:26.30 | Zetabyte | quitte : well there are also drivers available from their webpage which are proprietary, but supposedly "better" |
| 00:26.35 | caphuso | meyou: run eximconfig, and it's exim3 |
| 00:26.41 | nvz | uruboro: if you logout and back in you end up with two penguins |
| 00:26.45 | guru | caphuso: thanks |
| 00:27.03 | quitte | mwilson i really should learn that non-free is not part of debian. but i should stop calling GNU/Linux linux,too |
| 00:27.06 | mwilson | nvz: Yes, because session management starts it again. |
| 00:27.09 | uruboro | nvz hehehe the more penguins the better ;) |
| 00:27.15 | nvz | uruboro: it changes tuxeyes --luxus to tuxeyes -session blah blah blah in your session manager, and starts it twice next time |
| 00:27.25 | quitte | Zetabyte: the drivers in non-free are the same drivers - just in debs |
| 00:27.25 | nvz | uruboro: it screws up the matched window |
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| 00:27.32 | mwilson | quitte: Why? Anything that pisseth off RMS must be a good thing. |
| 00:27.37 | nvz | uruboro: defeats the whole purpose |
| 00:27.43 | FieldySnuts | lame, neither konqueror nor nautilus file manager show thumbnails of larger pics off my cam |
| 00:27.45 | uruboro | indeed nvz |
| 00:27.48 | FieldySnuts | @lart konq / naut |
| 00:27.49 | Eagle101 | help. why does apt-upgrade tells me that i have to upgrade k3b & k3blibs even though i upgraded it 1000 times...seems like its not marking it as upgraded...please help |
| 00:27.52 | nvz | uruboro: and means that I cannot rely on gnome-session even to start up a program for me |
| 00:27.52 | Zetabyte | quitte: your not talking about the "nv" driver, the actual "nvidia" driver is avail. in debs? |
| 00:28.16 | doub | mwilson: i _love_ your cynism |
| 00:28.24 | quitte | mwilson I really like rms and his ideas. and in most cases i understand when he's pissed off by something |
| 00:28.29 | can-o-worms | Can anybody tell me if cups can work out which printer is which when you have 2 printers that are exactly the same? |
| 00:28.32 | quitte | Zetabyte yes |
| 00:28.42 | nvz | uruboro: I cant get gnome-panel or anything to work without installing gnome-session and its such a piece of completly useless crap since like gnome 1.4 you cant use gnome anymore |
| 00:28.44 | Eagle101 | apt: u there? |
| 00:28.45 | apt | there is, like, not here |
| 00:28.47 | Zetabyte | quitte wow, i didn't know that - I will have to try that |
| 00:28.51 | cafuego | fuck |
| 00:28.54 | nvz | its worse than using windows |
| 00:29.01 | Zetabyte | I had been doing it the difficult way... |
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| 00:29.09 | quitte | Zetabyte you have contrib and non-free in sources.list? |
| 00:29.12 | uruboro | nvz and that happens after a complete reinstall? if not i'd try to log in a user with a completely empty home and see what defaults gnome puts in |
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| 00:29.40 | Zetabyte | quitte : I might not, but I know what your talking about and I will go add them |
| 00:29.48 | nvz | uruboro: it always works fine when removing all gnome stuff in the home dir.. its what the damn thing does in-session and saves apperently that screws it up |
| 00:30.20 | nvz | uruboro: these various session problems I have seen on dozens of machines in the past year of gnome versions |
| 00:30.36 | mdh | doub: understand this isn't mwilson's cynicism, its his optimism ;) |
| 00:30.41 | uruboro | nvz then make a init.d script that cleans up gnome files ;) not elegant but... |
| 00:30.54 | nvz | its not worth hacking around anymore |
| 00:30.58 | Eagle101 | help. why does apt-upgrade tells me that i have to upgrade k3b & k3blibs even though i upgraded it 1000 times...seems like its not marking it as upgraded...please help |
| 00:31.03 | nvz | I've been doing it long enough |
| 00:31.08 | nvz | kde just fuckin works |
| 00:31.20 | nvz | I dont use it, so I dont care what it looks like |
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| 00:31.39 | nvz | I am just tired of working around gnome-sessions fuckups so I am pushing kde |
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| 00:31.49 | nvz | for people who desire a full DE |
| 00:31.53 | meyou | caphuso: i know this is probably a dumb question, but i don't really use my deb box for much else than web serving. what's a quick way to send a test message from my box to an internet e-mail address to make sure it's working? |
| 00:31.55 | thd | mikkele: From /etc/login.defs "If you change this, you should also change the pam_mail.so module setup in /etc/pam.d/login, which affects the "You have mail" message on login, and, in default setup, overrides this setting in determining the $MAIL environmental variable." I could not determine how to do this. |
| 00:32.10 | Darian | meyou: 'echo "I'm so cool" | mail foo@bar.com |
| 00:32.13 | Darian | ' |
| 00:32.19 | caphuso | meyou: echo test | mail -s "this is a test mail" some@mail.address |
| 00:32.36 | doub | mdh: yes, frightening optimism, but optimism none the less... |
| 00:32.39 | uruboro | nvz well, kde seems nice, and a gksu saved session is restored properly by asking the password. i still prefer gnome but it's a matter of tastes |
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| 00:32.50 | justin | s/test mail/test mail number 1/ |
| 00:32.59 | justin | when you end up doing it 5 times, it helps to number them :-P |
| 00:33.15 | fatalblu | echo "you are the suxor" > /dev/console |
| 00:33.19 | caphuso | justin: but you might get away with only one |
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| 00:33.28 | mdh | nvz: I'm also tired of working around fuckups. So I'm looking for a new job ;) |
| 00:33.28 | GyrosGeier | hi |
| 00:33.32 | caphuso | justin: so start counting with the second and you can save a keystroke or two ;-) |
| 00:33.43 | justin | !+murphys law |
| 00:33.52 | nvz | uruboro: I am used to gnome-panel and would love to continue using them, especially after all the time I spent on the kid's panels to get them just right.. but gnome-session causes me more problems than its worth, I am taking the time in the kde menu editor to duplicate her setup |
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| 00:34.10 | mdh | nvz: don't launch gnome-session |
| 00:34.12 | caphuso | justin: "this is a test mail", "this is a test mail 1" and "this is a test mail 3" are different enough |
| 00:34.18 | caphuso | s/3/2/ |
| 00:34.19 | uruboro | nvz get xfce and run gnome panel in it. it works |
| 00:34.28 | mdh | nvz: you can use gnome-panel (and other stuff) without it |
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| 00:34.56 | meyou | ok one last thing, any way to have it reroute old mail that couldn't be delivered? or does exim3 save them in any queue? i can manually read them all locally with mutt using the error messages, but automatic would be nice |
| 00:35.00 | nvz | mdh: I never tried running sawfish and gnome-panel to see if it launches gnome-session, I just figure since gnome-panel depends on and requires gnome-session its much like kde apps, and will load its session backends anyhow |
| 00:35.06 | drac | uruboro: why use gnome-panel in xfce, while there is great xfce-panel? |
| 00:35.31 | mwilson | Why use either one at all, when you can be better off with no panel at all. |
| 00:35.32 | uruboro | drac nvz wanted to run it but had problem with gnome session. |
| 00:35.43 | nvz | half my problems may be I never install a full de, and being a long time user I prefer traditional gnome stuff, I despise megashitty and still use sawfish..etc |
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| 00:35.57 | mdh | nvz: nope, there's no dependencies on gnome-session whatsoever |
| 00:36.00 | uruboro | nvz maybe it doesn't mess with gnome session the same way under xfce |
| 00:36.04 | saerdna | how do i change homedir for a user? |
| 00:36.16 | nvz | !depends gnome-panel |
| 00:36.19 | dpkg | gnome-panel: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libecal6 (>= 1.0.3), libedataserver3 (>= 1.0.3), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.8.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.4.1-2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnome-desktop-2 (>= 2.8.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.8.3-7), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.4.4), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libo |
| 00:36.19 | dpkg | libpanel-applet2-0 (>= 2.8.2), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.6.0), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libpopt0 (>= 1.7), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1), libwnck4 (>= 2.7.91), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.11), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), gnome-panel-data (= 2.8.2-2), gnome-desktop-data (>= 2.8.1-2), gnome-session (>= 2.8.1-4), gnome-control-center (>= 1:2.8.1-3) |
| 00:36.23 | mwilson | Megashitty is well worth despising |
| 00:36.23 | nvz | ahh! |
| 00:36.25 | caphuso | saerdna: usermod |
| 00:36.26 | sussudio | !do nvz |
| 00:36.39 | mdh | nvz: gnome-session *is* the gnome dependency tool, as such, that will fire up everything else it thinks you want. |
| 00:36.45 | nvz | bad bot! you arent supposed to spew that even if I tell you to |
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| 00:37.06 | glick | excuse me why is the screen on my dell small and centered iinstead of taking up the entire screen |
| 00:37.10 | glick | how can i fix that? |
| 00:37.12 | uruboro | drac does xfce panel have something to look at cpu and network usage , btw? |
| 00:37.35 | Covener | glick: probably bios setting to expand -- or change the vga mode in lilo/grub/fb or X11 |
| 00:37.53 | drac | uruboro: yes, lot's of improvements in 4.2 version. also allkinds of monitors for panel. but i'm using os-works.com repository. |
| 00:37.59 | glick | Covener, isnt there some combination fn key sequence to fix it |
| 00:38.01 | nvz | mdh: I know very well what a session manager is, and what gnome-session _tries_ to do.. I just didnt think since the other gnome programs _depend_ on it that they would run without just starting it |
| 00:38.04 | mdh | nvz: I'm not talking deb-maintainer-specified dependency, I'm talking actual dependency. ie, lauching gnome-panel will not launch gnome-session |
| 00:38.08 | nvz | and thus causing me the greif anyhow |
| 00:38.12 | GyrosGeier | does anyone have tomcat packages? |
| 00:38.18 | nvz | or otherwise not work or be less featureful without it |
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| 00:38.46 | mdh | nvz: the only thing gnome apps fire up without asking is gconfd |
| 00:38.46 | uruboro | drac cool |
| 00:39.01 | spunout | GyrosGeier: I got tomcat installed from an ubuntu source, I think.... google tomcat ubuntu mono maybe |
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| 00:39.04 | mdh | nvz: in my experience, anyway. |
| 00:39.09 | GyrosGeier | spunout, thanks |
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| 00:39.32 | nvz | mdh: do you think many functions would not work? I could imagine the logout and some other things in the gnome-panel may not work if gnome-session isnt running |
| 00:39.55 | Phated | Sysdrum: <shrug> |
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| 00:40.52 | nvz | I guess I could give it a shot.. I just need to figure out how to create my own session in kdm that starts sawfish with the other apps I want like gnome-panel.. she doesnt need a desktop like nautilus.. but the panels are good, I can use real big icons and drawers, and only give her access to what I put on there |
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| 00:41.13 | mdh | nvz: gnome-session doesn't do logout. logout just exits whatever your foreground app is. I have had it non-functional once, I can't remember what I did though. I think it was something like run a non-NETWM compliant WM |
| 00:41.43 | mdh | nvz: I just use .xsession, and have whatever DM use that. |
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| 00:42.28 | mdh | I'm using gdm atm because I a) prefer gnome over KDE and b) it has less runtime dependencies (kde apps always want to fire up a gazillion 50Mb daemons) |
| 00:42.42 | nvz | mdh: I use kdm because it allows her to login when she clicks on her user icon.. I have her account disabled in /etc/shadow so she cannot login.. kdm doesnt authenticate her if she logs in locally |
| 00:43.03 | mdh | nvz: gdm has the user icon login thing too |
| 00:43.22 | nvz | mdh: it will not permit a user to login without authentication that I can see |
| 00:43.26 | nvz | mdh: other than a timed login |
| 00:43.40 | spunout | mdh: I am using gdm with KDE |
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| 00:44.26 | meyou | how can i just save all of my e-mails to some sort of usable file with mutt? |
| 00:44.36 | nvz | I need to figure out how kdm sessions work.. I know its not respectful .. but it has to be configurable somehow ;) |
| 00:44.51 | meyou | plain text would be ideal, just need to print a batch of them |
| 00:45.05 | caphuso | meyou: let mutt print them |
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| 00:45.19 | meyou | no printer on this box |
| 00:45.29 | thd | After updating my sarge packages yesterday and rebooting my browser no longer recognises php. I thought that apache must now be misconfigured for php yet I see nothing wrong and all was fine before the reboot. The only discussion I could find about the problem left it unresolved Open with/Save as when clicking on a PHP file http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=30138 |
| 00:45.30 | mdh | nvz: kde's session manager goes over the $PATH and looks for the largest applications, and fires them all up ;) |
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| 00:45.38 | meyou | can mutt print to a text file? |
| 00:45.45 | nvz | mdh: haha |
| 00:45.47 | nny | hey |
| 00:45.50 | nvz | mdh: probably does |
| 00:45.54 | nny | can anyone help me? |
| 00:46.05 | meyou | you only get one question answered per day |
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| 00:46.10 | meyou | yours was "can anyone help me?" |
| 00:46.15 | meyou | the answer is "yes, tomorrow" |
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| 00:46.22 | beatle | ouch |
| 00:46.25 | meyou | damn |
| 00:46.45 | mdh | meyou: define "usable file" |
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| 00:46.49 | nvz | mdh: so far what I like for her about kde, well for me.. is that the kde menu editor makes it easier for me to quickly ender large ammounts of data to her panel.. though I cannot figure out how to make icons in the menus larger.. they are like 2x2 pixels.. heh |
| 00:46.50 | meyou | should've included a </sarcasm> tag :p |
| 00:46.57 | uGexe | [m]? |
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| 00:47.01 | meyou | mdh: plain text would be best. |
| 00:47.09 | meyou | uGexe: yes? |
| 00:47.15 | nvz | mdh: gnome-panel is all setup with large icons and stuff. I just got to get rid of gnome-session |
| 00:47.16 | uGexe | thought so |
| 00:47.26 | nny | hello again |
| 00:47.32 | nny | sorry I dissconected |
| 00:47.33 | meyou | what's your handle there? |
| 00:47.36 | uGexe | ug |
| 00:47.38 | nny | can anyone help me? |
| 00:47.47 | chealer | nny: we thought meyou has afraid you :) |
| 00:47.50 | mdh | meyou: emails are already all plaintext. You can <s>ave or <T>ag-<s>ave individual messages if you want, ... |
| 00:47.53 | meyou | hehehe |
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| 00:48.33 | mdh | nvz: just run everything you want from .xsession, and use the appropriate setting in your DM to launch that |
| 00:48.33 | meyou | thx |
| 00:48.47 | nny | hmm |
| 00:48.53 | meyou | and for the record, uGexe LOVES trance |
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| 00:49.01 | uGexe | wrong ug :/ |
| 00:49.14 | meyou | ahh you're just plain old uG |
| 00:49.16 | nny | sorry I got unused to IRC time ago, I'll catch it in no time (i hope) |
| 00:49.21 | uGexe | correct |
| 00:49.24 | nny | but muy "prob" is no that |
| 00:49.25 | meyou | i'm sure that trance bit gets annoying |
| 00:49.27 | mdh | meyou: if you want to print to a file, you can setup a printer in your printcap that does that, sends the gs output to a file rather than to a lpt device or network printer |
| 00:49.49 | uGexe | yes living with the stigma of someone else is not exactly enjoyable |
| 00:49.50 | nvz | mdh: yeah I know that much. I dont know how to get kdm to respect .xsession though |
| 00:49.57 | nny | if someone want to help me please open me a private window |
| 00:50.31 | nvz | nny: no. |
| 00:50.34 | shadebob | hi |
| 00:50.36 | jim | I installed a jdk yesterday by downloading it from blackdown and using make-jpkg to create a package out of it... but when certain things run, it causes my x session to end... is this a recognizable situation? I have full specifics (I think it was the jdk 1.4.2-01) |
| 00:50.48 | shadebob | how to launch an application on startup with fluxbox? |
| 00:51.03 | nny | well ok, let's go with my prob |
| 00:51.18 | Delph | jim: most people have greater success with "java-package" and the sun jre. |
| 00:51.27 | Delph | uhhm, s/jre/jdk/ |
| 00:51.51 | mdh | nvz: if it doesn't already have a session for it, make one. |
| 00:51.52 | jim | Delph: ok, I'll try that... any other comments? :) |
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| 00:52.14 | `DSL | shadebob: edit your /home/user.xinitrc file |
| 00:52.16 | mdh | nvz: check /etc/X11/kdm/Sessions/ or something |
| 00:52.17 | Delph | jim: never use any other debian-packaged java, unless someone explicitly tells you that the package isn't broken. |
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| 00:52.37 | jim | Delph: well I built the package |
| 00:52.46 | mdh | jim: the Sun JDK works fine here |
| 00:52.48 | Delph | i tried to use the packaged version of tomcat once. ... *shudder* ... painful experience. Ended up just vaping it. |
| 00:52.59 | Delph | jim: sorry, debian-packaged java applications / extras |
| 00:53.05 | mwilson | Is it really so hard to use Blackdown's packaged installer? |
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| 00:53.13 | nny | I got installed Sarge on my slave HD (hdb i think) and I have a NTFS partition on that disc and the master disc is fur NTFS, my Debian have the 2.6.8 kernel and is supossed to read ntfs but the problem is that I cannot see or mount any partition or detect the hda... what can be happening? wha t can I do to fix this? |
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| 00:53.26 | Delph | mwilson: but you end up using blackdown, which i've never liked. |
| 00:53.26 | mwilson | But no, everyone runs around trying to use java-package. |
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| 00:53.47 | mwilson | Delph: Then use Sun's. The idea is the same. Whyinhell do people bother with java-package? |
| 00:53.49 | mdh | jim: I've spent hours hacking in jedit with it, no crashes whatsoever. That's the 1.5 / 5.0 / whatever its called this week JDK |
| 00:53.57 | MSG43 | hi |
| 00:54.02 | MSG43 | linux newbie around |
| 00:54.04 | MSG43 | how easy is debian to setup? |
| 00:54.14 | mwilson | MSG43: Do you know how to read? |
| 00:54.18 | mdh | mwilson: because if we weanted to install stuff without package management, we'd run slackware and not debian |
| 00:54.21 | dvs | MSG43: Try it yourself |
| 00:54.32 | MSG43 | well is it anything like gentoo? |
| 00:54.37 | shadebob | 'DSL : thanks |
| 00:54.38 | MSG43 | or is there a installer? |
| 00:54.47 | jim | mwilson: not that I know of... but it seemed to build the package... here's something it could have done to help: make-jpkg should have a builtin list of which libc version works with which jdk/jre and check for that |
| 00:54.50 | dvs | MSG43: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:54.53 | mdh | MSG43: gentoo doesn't have an installer? |
| 00:54.56 | thenuke | MSG43: have you not even checked debian website ;) |
| 00:54.59 | mwilson | mdh: I'm not sure what package management a JRE needs. You stuff it into a directory, you add it to $PATH, and you're done. It's not like you're going to put it in /usr or something. |
| 00:55.19 | Delph | mwilson: jdk, not jre, but yeah. |
| 00:55.19 | nny | anyone have read my problem? |
| 00:55.32 | jim | mwilson: well the debian packaging probably makes it easy to remove... |
| 00:55.37 | zignig | MSG43: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:55.41 | Delph | you have more executables, and it gets a pain to remove them. |
| 00:55.48 | chealer | nny: does df give you clues? |
| 00:55.59 | mwilson | jim: Mine's easy to remove... # rm -rf directory_specification |
| 00:56.07 | nny | df? |
| 00:56.17 | mdh | mwilson: it comes with stuff like browser plugins, /etc/alternatives support, etc. |
| 00:56.18 | mwilson | jim: After all, it's not like I want the browser to be able to see it or anything. |
| 00:56.25 | directhex | mdh, no, gentoo involved bootstrapping by un-tarring a base system |
| 00:56.32 | jim | but then there could be other things it puts that has to be removed or reversed |
| 00:56.42 | mwilson | *alternatives*? What possible use does java-package have for the alternatives system? |
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| 00:56.52 | chealer | nny: do you know kwikdisk? |
| 00:57.17 | mdh | mwilson: so you can install it alongside another java system like jikes, gcj, kaffe, etc |
| 00:57.18 | jim | mwilson: ahh. that's where we're different, I'm specifically installing it so browser can use it |
| 00:57.19 | shadebob | how to automatically launch a command after a user login |
| 00:57.19 | nny | hmm no |
| 00:57.36 | chealer | nny: launch it or run df |
| 00:57.47 | mwilson | mdh: One java system is quite bad enough, thank you... I don't need another. |
| 00:58.04 | jim | it's not about you, mwilson :) |
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| 00:58.06 | nny | ok, I'll try |
| 00:58.07 | mdh | mwilson: congratulations. other people do, though. |
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| 00:58.15 | mwilson | jim: ugh. I have no need for browser java. If you do, then I can see why you'd be doing it. |
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| 00:58.24 | nvz | mdh: I did some investigating, I guess the "Default" session will read from there :) |
| 00:58.30 | MSG43 | does the debain start up in x when installed? |
| 00:58.32 | Delph | mwilson: give up. You're attempting to disprove the usefulness of packaging systems. Dont. |
| 00:58.51 | jim | mwilson: who knows, I might hate it (again)... but for now, I need it for an app |
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| 00:59.10 | mdh | mwilson: also, consider a *cough* real *cough* Unix system - ie multiuser. you will not be the only person making use of this server. |
| 00:59.29 | mwilson | Delph: Except that I'm not, of course. We're discussing the faults of java-package, something that cluebies regularly screw-up. |
| 00:59.32 | jim | I don't necessarily want to program in java or anything, but I'm installing jdk not jre anyway |
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| 00:59.44 | nvz | though I will have to remove the logout button from her panel, as without gnome-session it just kills the panel |
| 00:59.45 | mdh | MSG43: yes, if yo've installed XFree86 |
| 00:59.53 | MSG43 | ok |
| 00:59.53 | nvz | though with gnome-session it does nothing at all :P |
| 00:59.55 | Delph | mwilson: so whats the faults of java-package? |
| 01:00.00 | jim | mwilson: clubie here. :) what did I do wrong? :) |
| 01:00.06 | nny | I have to launch kwikdisk or install it or df? sorry but I'm just learning debian and don't know soo may things ^^Uu |
| 01:00.08 | mdh | nvz: make gnome-panel the foreground app, start sawfish in the background |
| 01:00.10 | vulture | MSG43: alternatives support for a jvm seems like a perfectly reasonable thing.. |
| 01:00.14 | vulture | s/ MSG43/ mwilson/ |
| 01:00.24 | jim | MSG43: I just saw you on ##linux, right? |
| 01:00.36 | vulture | channel of several hundred people and I can't tab complete unambiguously with the first letter.. what's the world coming to |
| 01:00.36 | mdh | nvz: then the logout button should work as expected. |
| 01:00.50 | jim | vulture: that's your client :P |
| 01:00.52 | chealer | nny: actually that command doesn't seem to help. |
| 01:00.53 | jim | :) |
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| 01:01.04 | nny | waht command? |
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| 01:01.21 | nny | ohh |
| 01:01.22 | nny | df |
| 01:01.24 | nny | ok |
| 01:01.28 | nny | it was a command |
| 01:01.31 | jim | I like how libreadline does tab completion, and I wish xchat would do the same |
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| 01:01.52 | MSG43 | is knoppix anygood |
| 01:01.59 | abrotman | jim: xchat does tab completion |
| 01:02.00 | nny | so I did df |
| 01:02.01 | directhex | MSG43, for what? |
| 01:02.02 | jim | dunno, I haven't tried |
| 01:02.05 | gravity | MSG43: Yes it is |
| 01:02.14 | directhex | MSG43, for a live cd, yes, it is. for installing to disk, no, it's terrible |
| 01:02.14 | abrotman | MSG43: ask #knoppix |
| 01:02.15 | nz17 | I'm looking for a program that will scroll text using nice big letters under X in a "full screen" mode. Any suggestions? |
| 01:02.20 | nny | I don't see any NTFS partition or hda life sign |
| 01:02.37 | jim | abrotman: yes I know... but it's not as good... it substitutes the first completion even if there are ambiguities |
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| 01:02.52 | chealer | nny: me neither...I'm trying at the same time as you if that's any help :) |
| 01:03.11 | nny | oh, thanks ^^ |
| 01:03.13 | jim | and it doesnt' actually fill in when you're typing unless the complete one is unambiguous |
| 01:03.13 | abrotman | jim: no it doesn't |
| 01:03.21 | abrotman | jim: which version are you on? |
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| 01:03.33 | jim | probably a different one from yours :) |
| 01:03.38 | nvz | mdh: is it "safe" to run my wm in the background :P then what if I use a sawfish quit command somehow . . . |
| 01:03.43 | abrotman | 2.4.1 on sarge |
| 01:03.47 | nny | how do I send the messages to you just like you are doing? I've forget all my IRC experience |
| 01:03.58 | abrotman | !tab completion |
| 01:03.58 | dpkg | it has been said that tab completion is why karsten is sending you completely irrelevent messages. |
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| 01:04.06 | abrotman | karsten: ?? |
| 01:04.09 | jim | not sure, can we table this for a moment while I finish up my java questions? and thanks for attention; much appreciated. |
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| 01:04.24 | abrotman | !nick completion |
| 01:04.25 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. |
| 01:04.34 | abrotman | Kiluminati: your client hates me |
| 01:04.35 | mdh | nvz: sawfish will exit, and you'll have no wm. but you should be able to relaunch it from gnome-panel |
| 01:04.35 | chealer | nny: you must write it half-manually. use tab to complete |
| 01:04.36 | nvz | I still got to deal with the occational gnome-panel's panel siezure when snapping to the edge bug |
| 01:05.00 | abrotman | nvz: if you do `!nick completion` .. do you get a msg from Kiluminati ? |
| 01:05.11 | nvz | !nick completion |
| 01:05.11 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. |
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| 01:05.15 | abrotman | nvz: ? |
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| 01:05.22 | mdh | nvz: the real fun comes when another app obscures whatever you need to fix the no-wm problem ;) thats when you sometimes have to drop to a console and launch one "manually" |
| 01:05.30 | nny | chealer: oh, ok, so... df command dosen't help... so what can I do next? |
| 01:05.33 | nvz | abrotman: looks like some kind of /ctcp query |
| 01:05.37 | Leviathann | Anyone have any experience with Intel Extreme Graphics 2? |
| 01:05.46 | abrotman | nvz: perhaps .. i think it happens on !nickmeter too |
| 01:05.52 | directhex | Leviathann, in what way? |
| 01:05.56 | jim | Leviathann: /msg dpkg sicco |
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| 01:06.05 | Delph | mwilson: *times out waiting for response, and assumse lack of problems with it, and goes on reccommending it* |
| 01:06.07 | wolviee | Linux security issue: What are/is a secure means of remote administration? |
| 01:06.11 | abrotman | ssh |
| 01:06.16 | directhex | wolviee, ssh |
| 01:06.17 | Delph | wolviee: ssh from a *trusted* box |
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| 01:06.20 | mwilson | Delph: Hm? Did I miss something? |
| 01:06.26 | nvz | abrotman: it tells me the command is available only to registered users, and it doesnt mean +e because I am identified |
| 01:06.30 | Delph | mwilson: 'why is java-package bad?' |
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| 01:07.05 | char0x30 | whats the package i need for 2.6 modules? |
| 01:07.07 | Leviathann | directhex: Well, I'm running mepis and I'm not sure if you're a gamer or not but I can't get enemy territory to run right for anything, it ran perfect in windows. |
| 01:07.07 | wolviee | abotman: Ok. Then is ssh-logging into a user account + 'su -' more secure then ssh-ing straight into root? |
| 01:07.08 | mwilson | Delph: I have no idea why cluebies have trouble with it. It's incredibly straightforward. |
| 01:07.14 | nvz | Kiluminati: hello? |
| 01:07.14 | chealer | nny: check what /dev/hd? partitions are not used |
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| 01:07.28 | directhex | Leviathann, ask #mepis for advice on what they've done to 3d support. |
| 01:07.31 | Leviathann | jim: /msg dpkg sicco what does that do? |
| 01:07.33 | Delph | right. So why were you objecting to it then? |
| 01:07.34 | jim | char0x30: look in your kernel source dir, in Documentation/CHanges |
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| 01:07.36 | nny | chealer: how? |
| 01:07.37 | mwilson | Delph: Considering that java-package is a response to people who can't read simple instructions, though, it's not surprising some manage to mess it up. |
| 01:07.43 | Leviathann | directhex: I live in #mepis, no luck there. |
| 01:07.52 | abrotman | wolviee: that's debatable |
| 01:08.06 | nvz | abrotman: some fooz dont even know they are running things sometimes |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | wolviee: but i would say yes |
| 01:08.09 | chealer | nny: cd /dev and compare to /etc/fstab |
| 01:08.09 | jim | Leviathann: it tells the dpkg bot "sicco" and it will respond |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | nvz: he yelled at me last time :) |
| 01:08.21 | abrotman | nvz: swore he wsan't running anything |
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| 01:08.31 | char0x30 | jim: modules-init-tools. thanks. |
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| 01:08.58 | directhex | char0x30, you're not trying 2.6 on woody are you? |
| 01:09.03 | jim | Leviathann: I figure it's better than forcing you to be messaged by dpkg, since you'd choose to do it |
| 01:09.09 | chealer | nny: I mean ls /dev/hd* |
| 01:09.15 | char0x30 | directhex: Not at the moment. Although I have done it. |
| 01:09.19 | carlos_ | somebody speak spanish |
| 01:09.25 | gravity | !spanish |
| 01:09.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:09.26 | doub | wolviee: you need two passwords to ssh + su, plus you need to know at least a username. whereas if root login is enabled, the username is given, and only one password is left to guess |
| 01:09.29 | nvz | abrotman: oh well, all we can do is tell em about it. |
| 01:09.31 | directhex | char0x30, why, exactly? |
| 01:09.33 | mdh | carlos_: usted es moi bonito |
| 01:09.35 | char0x30 | carlos_: Hola. No hablo espanol. |
| 01:09.39 | wolviee | abrotman: Ok. So let's say I've disabled the ssh root logging (for example to prevent brute force attacks into a root account) and I do the user switching from a user account ssh session. What more can I do to increase security? |
| 01:09.47 | abrotman | nvz: lets call ops! ... they'll kill us! |
| 01:09.55 | Kokey | carlos_, yo! pero no soy experto... jejejeje =P |
| 01:09.59 | mdh | carlos_: cajones extra por favor |
| 01:10.02 | abrotman | wolviee: unplug it from the internet |
| 01:10.07 | char0x30 | directhex: I needed something not in my kernel. (mppe). So I compiled a new one. |
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| 01:10.30 | nvz | abrotman: fauk em' lets all make a new channel with a secret passwd.. teehee |
| 01:10.31 | wolviee | abrotman: lol. Ok. And what about the webmin package? |
| 01:10.34 | jim | don't call for ops... call for ups,,, and either your system will stay up beyond powerfail, or the brown truck will come to your house... |
| 01:10.35 | Kokey | carlos_, ahora que tambien esta #debian-es ;) |
| 01:10.40 | carlos_ | jajja... kokey. yo acabo de entrar oficialmente al mundo de Debian... y linux claro esta. |
| 01:10.41 | abrotman | !tell wolviee about security tips |
| 01:10.45 | abrotman | nvz: ok |
| 01:10.50 | abrotman | wolviee: it's evil |
| 01:10.51 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 01:10.51 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 01:11.20 | carlos_ | depronto ahora lo visite... a ver que tal esta. |
| 01:11.29 | nny | chealer: I got installed Sarge on my slave HD (hdb i think) and I have a NTFS partition on that disc and the master disc is fur NTFS, my Debian have the 2.6.8 kernel and is supossed to read ntfs but the problem is that I cannot see or mount any partition or detect the hda... what can be happening? wha t can I do to fix this? |
| 01:11.31 | Prower | Hello :> I've been thinking of installing Sarge to try it out (as well as possibly use it to run a personal web server), but I'm a bit concerned about the lag for security updates :/ Are there any guides available on keeping yourself secure? |
| 01:11.34 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:11.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:11.42 | nny | chealer:ooops sorry |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | !security tips |
| 01:11.49 | dpkg | abrotman How to secure Debian: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#securing | Understand Debian's security: http://www.debian.org/security/faq | Subscribe (at least) to this list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 01:11.55 | mwilson | Prower: "lag"? Sarge doesn't have security updates. |
| 01:12.01 | nvz | abrotman: debian has a lot of ops and staffers but we still get these periods of 4 hours or so where nobody is around like twice a day |
| 01:12.02 | nny | chealer: Navi:/home/nny# ls /dev/hd* |
| 01:12.03 | chealer | nny: I tried the method I told you and it just worked :) |
| 01:12.05 | jim | Prower: sarge doesn't have security updates as such yet... it can still change |
| 01:12.08 | nny | /dev/hda /dev/hda2 /dev/hda6 /dev/hdb1 /dev/hdb5 /dev/hdc |
| 01:12.08 | nny | /dev/hda1 /dev/hda5 /dev/hdb /dev/hdb2 /dev/hdb6 /dev/hdd |
| 01:12.13 | abrotman | mwilson: well .. kind of .. when the new packages trickle in from sid :) |
| 01:12.22 | wolviee | dpkg: Back to reading then...Thanks. |
| 01:12.22 | |rufius| | nny: cat /proc/filesystems <-- look for ntfs |
| 01:12.23 | dpkg | Guess who's back. Back again. to reading then...Thanks. 's back. Tell a friend. Guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back.. |
| 01:12.25 | mwilson | abrotman: You want to depend on that? |
| 01:12.28 | Prower | mwilson: Oh, I had thought that they sort of made their way in after a while from the unstable packages :> |
| 01:12.29 | abrotman | nvz: i know .. i wish there were two or three more |
| 01:12.31 | chealer | nny: and you want to mount something on your master, right? |
| 01:12.33 | nny | chealer: and the /etc/fstab |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | mwilson: no .. i was just pointing it out :) |
| 01:12.45 | chealer | nny: don't paste fstab here though |
| 01:12.48 | nvz | abrotman: I used to hang in #freenode for those times things got bad and nobody was around.. but #freenode is like #teen-chat most of the time.. drives me nuts |
| 01:12.48 | Prower | Hmm...well, in that case, I suppose it wouldn't be a good idea to run it |
| 01:12.51 | chealer | (too long) |
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| 01:13.01 | nny | chealer: hmm |
| 01:13.03 | |rufius| | nny: cat /proc/filesystems <-- look for ntfs |
| 01:13.04 | abrotman | nvz: i htought that was for ops |
| 01:13.10 | chealer | nny: I'm in #flood if you want |
| 01:13.12 | char0x30 | When you chroot, is the command from the context of the CWD, or from the newroot? |
| 01:13.14 | nvz | abrotman: I told em about it and they just laughed |
| 01:13.14 | abrotman | Prower: is the machine already behind a firewall? |
| 01:13.18 | jim | Prower: they do, but it's a different process than for when sarge will have been released |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | nvz: lovely |
| 01:13.22 | nvz | abrotman: well the staffers hang out there |
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| 01:13.30 | nny | chaler: sorry, I'll not do that again ^^UUuu |
| 01:13.39 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. i know |
| 01:13.44 | nvz | abrotman: and the kiddies as well |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | nvz: i still wish there were a few more |
| 01:13.53 | abrotman | err few more #debian ops |
| 01:14.14 | Prower | abrotman: Unfortunately no :/ The only one I'd have available would be to set one up on the machine itself |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | Prower: fun fun fun |
| 01:14.27 | jim | I'm not gonna do it :P |
| 01:14.29 | Prower | jim: Oh, I see...what sorts of changes are occurring in the future? |
| 01:14.34 | chealer | nny: no problem yet, just paste to #flood if you want. |
| 01:14.40 | char0x30 | Why would 'chroot /mnt/usb/1/3 /bin/bash' give me permission denied if i have access to /bin/bash and /usb/mnt/1/3 ? |
| 01:14.41 | abrotman | Prower: up to you if you want to risk it |
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| 01:15.12 | jim | Prower: Brittany Spears will get pregnant with a little man from mars, and this will cause linux to get way wayyyy more popular!~ |
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| 01:15.45 | nny | hmm ok... i did the cat /proc/filesystems |
| 01:15.48 | Prower | jim: I see...well, thanks anyway :> |
| 01:15.54 | nny | and it seems I don't hace ntfs installed |
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| 01:15.58 | jim | well... that's one possible future :) |
| 01:16.05 | nvz | abrotman: its like I told guerin.. let me just whip out the op mix, and I'll fire up the kiln.. damn where did we put that mold... |
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| 01:16.11 | jim | but, it's easy to see what is the present |
| 01:16.14 | |rufius| | nny: :) |
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| 01:16.27 | |rufius| | nny: coulda told you that, the standard debian kernels don't come w/ it, you'll have to load the module |
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| 01:16.49 | jim | they broke the mold after I was made op... :) |
| 01:16.52 | |rufius| | nny: modprobe ntfs <-- i suspect? don't count on it though, i don't do that much |
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| 01:17.06 | debian | abrotman: have you noticed that, some very active users, once becoming ops, will become very slient |
| 01:17.07 | nny | ow.... thanks... and what module is? can I do it with a simple apt-get command? |
| 01:17.20 | abrotman | debian: no .. i haven't |
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| 01:17.27 | nvz | jim: heh, when was this? |
| 01:17.30 | |rufius| | nny: no, just do "modprobe ntfs" |
| 01:17.36 | abrotman | debian: i'm not even sure of the process |
| 01:17.40 | nny | ook |
| 01:17.42 | plugwash | can anyone tell me why the hell dpkg depends on dselect? |
| 01:17.43 | abrotman | debian: maybe it's just burnout |
| 01:17.46 | |rufius| | nny: then try again to mount it |
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| 01:17.52 | abrotman | plugwash: because it does! |
| 01:17.53 | dgtlmoon | gday |
| 01:17.56 | chealer | |rufius|: I'm running fresh linux26 and couldn't even notice ntfs wasn't there by default |
| 01:17.56 | jim | nvz: sometime before I stopped being an op :) |
| 01:18.05 | nvz | jim: you are awake now.. must have been in a nightmare |
| 01:18.06 | debian | abrotman: I think it's invitation only |
| 01:18.14 | dgtlmoon | how can i indent a block of text in VIM? im using 'v' to select it visually but want to move it to the right by one tab |
| 01:18.25 | abrotman | debian: i realize that .. but how many are lefT? |
| 01:18.29 | Delph | dgtlmoon: some might say #vim is a good channel to be in. |
| 01:18.32 | |rufius| | chealer: heh same, i don't touch ntfs because its dangerous enough reading from it, plus if i ever need anything on my ntfs drive i just reboot to it |
| 01:18.39 | lwall | Does anybody know if there's a problem with the new package queue? |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | debian: when i first camein .. there was like 20 ops .. now like 10 or so |
| 01:18.53 | nny | oh |
| 01:18.54 | nny | thanks |
| 01:18.54 | debian | abrotman: there's only one way to find out: swear loudly. :) |
| 01:19.03 | chealer | |rufius|: but I mounted my ntfs partition just a feww minutes ago |
| 01:19.03 | nny | let's see if I can mount now |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | debian: i know ... |
| 01:19.29 | chealer | nny: again, your partition is on master? |
| 01:19.29 | |rufius| | chealer: who knows, its not in any stock kernel i have |
| 01:19.33 | dondelelcaro | lwall: what about it? |
| 01:19.34 | jim | abrotman: untabling xchat thread... Version: 2.0.8-2 |
| 01:19.34 | nny | oh |
| 01:19.35 | nny | no |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | jim: that's old :) |
| 01:19.42 | jim | wh |
| 01:19.45 | jim | oh! |
| 01:19.48 | abrotman | jim: are you on woody? |
| 01:19.55 | lwall | I uploaded a package yesterday and got no mails and I don't see it in merkel. |
| 01:19.56 | jim | no, older sarge |
| 01:19.58 | nny | my debian partiotion is on slave, and I want to mount my master and the rest of partitions |
| 01:20.09 | abrotman | jim: time to upgrade |
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| 01:20.16 | dvs | nny: so? |
| 01:20.17 | dondelelcaro | lwall: merkel was down until today (see -devel-announce) |
| 01:20.39 | jim | abrotman: would that account for a difference in how xchat tab completion works? |
| 01:20.50 | abrotman | jim: it's possible . don't remember how the old ones worked |
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| 01:21.03 | nny | it dosen't matter if my deb is installed in slave or in master for mounting? |
| 01:21.06 | dondelelcaro | lwall: so that may be the reason... try asking in #debian-devel though |
| 01:21.16 | Cisyouc | Hi, anyone here successfully setup acx100 pci drivers before? |
| 01:21.20 | lwall | Yes... I know. But I didn't get mails from katie either. |
| 01:21.21 | chealer | nny: so try to figure out which hda partition it is (certainly not 1). what numbers do you have with ls /dev/hda* ? |
| 01:21.25 | lwall | ok |
| 01:21.34 | chealer | nny: no |
| 01:21.56 | jim | the way shell completion works, you hit tab on something usually a filename, and it fills in ambiguous chars into what you're typing... hit it again, and it shows list of possible completions |
| 01:21.58 | chealer | nny: well, I'm not sure. if hda represents the disk of your /, then yes it does |
| 01:22.13 | jim | =that= is how I'd like to see xchat completion work |
| 01:22.26 | chealer | nny: but cat /etc/fstab should show you that |
| 01:22.34 | jim | that way I control what goes out on the irc when I hit enter |
| 01:22.53 | nny | ok |
| 01:22.58 | nny | I'm going to try |
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| 01:23.03 | jim | and it doesn't silently replace things without telling me! |
| 01:23.42 | quitte | Cisyouc: yes - and the readme knows everything about it |
| 01:23.59 | dondelelcaro | jim: sounds like you should be using irssi instead |
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| 01:25.04 | nny | when I'm trying to mount it tells me I have to specify the filesystem type, that it can't guess it |
| 01:25.09 | jim | dondelelcaro: hmm.. I could try that again |
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| 01:25.21 | directhex | jim, it used to work like that in xchat |
| 01:25.22 | nvz | the default irssi setup just runs through the list on the 2nd tab. though I am sure you can change it to work like that |
| 01:25.26 | jim | I don't remember why I got disinterested |
| 01:25.33 | dvs | nny: use "-t <filesystem>" option for mount |
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| 01:26.05 | dondelelcaro | yeah, usually you want it to go through the list though... the list is usually ordered in a sane order... so n<tab> gets you nvz, not nny. |
| 01:26.25 | chealer | nny: mount -t ntfs /dev/hd? mountpoint |
| 01:26.34 | nvz | yeah it seems to know who you were just talking to and stuff |
| 01:26.39 | nny | ok |
| 01:26.53 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yerp... and it also knows not to try to complete to your own nick unless that's the only completion. |
| 01:27.07 | |rufius| | anyone own a mac laptop? |
| 01:27.11 | dondelelcaro | |rufius|: yes... |
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| 01:27.23 | |rufius| | dondelelcaro: how's the battery life on 'em? |
| 01:27.30 | dondelelcaro | |rufius|: but I have a feeling that's not your real question. |
| 01:27.39 | |rufius| | ^^ |
| 01:27.41 | dondelelcaro | |rufius|: I get about 4-5 hours on a charge, depending on what I'm doing. |
| 01:27.54 | dondelelcaro | |rufius|: in the future, just ask your question... don't try to lead into it. |
| 01:27.55 | |rufius| | ah ok, im jus looking into laptops and thought about a mac |
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| 01:28.19 | Delph | mac's are nice. Not really something to put debian on though. |
| 01:28.30 | PlanarPlatypus | |rufius|: they have good build quality but are perhaps a little pricy for the power/space you get |
| 01:28.33 | dondelelcaro | Delph: debian runs fine on them. |
| 01:28.42 | Delph | dondelelcaro: aye, but why would you want to when you've paid for the shiney. |
| 01:28.44 | chealer | Delph: ask simonrvn |
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| 01:29.07 | dondelelcaro | Delph: the same reason I run Debian on anything that I own. Because I prefer it to the other options. |
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| 01:29.25 | simonrvn | Delph: hehe, you're funny |
| 01:29.34 | Delph | dondelelcaro: macos is worthwhile. Especially with the care and attention to interfaces, that you just dont get with linux. |
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| 01:29.45 | |rufius| | dondelelcaro: heh, sorry bout the leading in question, i was half distracted with a sandwich :) |
| 01:29.51 | chealer | hey simonrvn, would ravenbird have something to do with you? |
| 01:29.54 | dondelelcaro | Delph: it's utter crap. The WM sucks, it doesn't use X... don't even get me started. |
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| 01:29.59 | nny | hmmm |
| 01:30.04 | simonrvn | chealer: yes |
| 01:30.06 | travisat | the best interface is fvwm |
| 01:30.08 | nny | i mount the partions aparently.... |
| 01:30.13 | nvz | heh |
| 01:30.22 | nny | but when i try to access them |
| 01:30.24 | nvz | dpkg end a wm war |
| 01:30.25 | dpkg | nvz: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:30.27 | dondelelcaro | Delph: not to mention the fact that it's not Debian at all. |
| 01:30.31 | caphuso | and the mice have only one button! |
| 01:30.40 | |rufius| | dondelelcaro: what dm/wm do your run? |
| 01:30.43 | Delph | dondelelcaro: <insert flamewar about X being the most horriffic waste of time/space protocol in the world (but it seems to work) > |
| 01:30.44 | nny | they tell me that I don't have enought privileges to access |
| 01:30.45 | dondelelcaro | |rufius|: openbox |
| 01:30.57 | chealer | ravenbird: having your bot is quite prestigious :) |
| 01:30.57 | ravenbird | chealer: okay |
| 01:31.06 | nny | I cant access to the mounted partitions |
| 01:31.09 | chealer | lol, I meant simonrvn |
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| 01:31.16 | chealer | nny: you must have chosen the wrong partition |
| 01:31.18 | debian | Delph: well I don't want to gangband you, but most Debian *servers* are operating in CLI and remote web administration. Good interface is good, but not necessary for servers |
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| 01:31.21 | dondelelcaro | Delph: oddly, most people who rant about X keep brining forward lame things like vnc and rdesktop in an attempt to replace it that suck horribly. |
| 01:31.39 | EdibleText | dondelelcaro, do you/have you run mac on linux? |
| 01:31.42 | chealer | nny: cat /etc/fstab and ls /dev/hd* to #flood and let me help you figure which one |
| 01:31.43 | Delph | debian: sure. But we're talking about a mac laptop here; not a server. |
| 01:31.45 | dondelelcaro | EdibleText: yes, I have mol |
| 01:31.51 | jim | and besides servers can have x clients |
| 01:31.54 | nvz | ravenbird, forget having your bot |
| 01:31.55 | ravenbird | nvz: i forgot having your bot |
| 01:31.59 | nny | ok |
| 01:32.02 | Delph | <- agrees totally that its a good solid server / desktop+server system |
| 01:32.03 | nvz | ravenbird: botsnack |
| 01:32.03 | ravenbird | nvz: oh, c'est trop gentil :) |
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| 01:32.05 | dondelelcaro | EdibleText: it's been quite some time since I've run it, but it does work |
| 01:32.22 | debian | Delph: sorry didn't notice it, may be it's pages away |
| 01:32.23 | EdibleText | dondelelcaro, ah.. I was curious. |
| 01:32.47 | Delph | dondelelcaro: what about something like the sunray protocol? |
| 01:33.19 | Delph | from what i saw of it its got everything you really want. Possibly too much of a thin client, but enough of a step up from vnc and the like. |
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| 01:33.37 | dondelelcaro | Delph: blech |
| 01:34.01 | Delph | dondelelcaro: meeple to you too =:) |
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| 01:35.10 | dondelelcaro | Delph: there doesn't seem to be a Free implementation of it at all. |
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| 01:35.32 | dondelelcaro | (there actually doesn't even seem to be a non-sparc implementation of it...) |
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| 01:36.09 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I think thats why its called sunray |
| 01:36.18 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~simigern/sunray-debian/ |
| 01:37.29 | caphuso | but yeah, that whole thing looks far too proprietary |
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| 01:37.56 | nvz | is it just me or does "trivia" sound like a code word for "sex" to anyone else? |
| 01:38.06 | Delph | dondelelcaro: there's a console-only version of it that i was using to irc from a while back. |
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| 01:38.25 | jim | ok, back to the java thing... which jdk can I install for a sarge with libc6-2.3.2.ds1-13? |
| 01:38.27 | hybrid | hello |
| 01:38.47 | dondelelcaro | oh, ok... so it's i386+sparc... still fairly useless... |
| 01:39.05 | caphuso | jim: /msg dpkg install java |
| 01:39.12 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 01:39.28 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: I assume, anyway, that linux==i386 linux |
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| 01:39.46 | jim | caphuso: got java-package .19 I believe it is. |
| 01:40.02 | caphuso | jim: that's fine |
| 01:40.04 | nvz | like if a woman asks you to come over for "trivia". for example |
| 01:40.06 | nvz | heh |
| 01:40.08 | hybrid | i have a question. i am on ubuntu but want to install sarge could i apt-get install sarge to do it even though it is not regular debian or would i have to burn the iso and so on |
| 01:40.36 | abrotman | jim: use java-package .. you can use any java with that |
| 01:40.41 | jim | thing is, I tried a jdk from blackdown that looked promising (making a deb of it, installing, having it crash my x session every time, removing) |
| 01:40.42 | drac | hybrid: if you want debian, get real debian. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 01:40.51 | abrotman | jim: i've done it with java.sun.com |
| 01:41.07 | mwilson | jim: How is a JDK going to crash X? |
| 01:41.12 | jim | so far people say they had the best result with sun |
| 01:41.17 | hybrid | yea but i am on ppc and ubuntu was easier to install so could i just apt-get to get it |
| 01:41.20 | jim | mwilson: that |
| 01:41.25 | jim | is what I want to know :) |
| 01:41.31 | Delph | mwilson: there was some strange buggy death with wrong versions of libc. |
| 01:41.35 | jim | but it did. |
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| 01:41.49 | mwilson | Just installing it was enough to crash X? Weird. |
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| 01:41.55 | drac | hybrid: you could, but depencies will prolly brake sometimes, and everything gets all fucked up. you really should get real debian. |
| 01:41.56 | jim | Delph: oh goody! |
| 01:41.57 | kindaBizzy | hybrid: what do U mean "it's not regular debian"? |
| 01:42.00 | dsl_ | Gwildor |
| 01:42.13 | nvz | dpkg, U? |
| 01:42.13 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:42.20 | hybrid | ubuntu is not truly debian |
| 01:42.30 | jim | dpkg: what do you want now?! |
| 01:42.31 | dpkg | wish i knew, jim |
| 01:42.31 | hybrid | even tho it uses debian code and packages |
| 01:42.36 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 01:42.36 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 01:42.42 | deadcat | !fuck ubuntu |
| 01:42.43 | plugwash | dpkg ne1 |
| 01:42.43 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 01:42.49 | deadcat | !ne1 |
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| 01:43.10 | nvz | dpkg, say jim: I want to rock and roll all night, and party every day... I .. I wanna rock and roll all night... |
| 01:43.11 | Winblowz | k |
| 01:43.11 | dpkg | jim: I want to rock and roll all night, and party every day... I .. I wanna rock and roll all night... |
| 01:43.14 | Winblowz | hi |
| 01:43.17 | Winblowz | i have a Q |
| 01:43.18 | kindaBizzy | hybrid: oh, i thought you were referring to sarge |
| 01:43.21 | mwilson | deadcat: Did you get that patch to work? |
| 01:43.22 | drac | Winblowz: shoot |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | Winblowz: you mean a Question? |
| 01:43.24 | Winblowz | its probably off topic |
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| 01:43.40 | jim | nvz: kiss fan? :) |
| 01:43.41 | Winblowz | i have a ZyXel prestige 630-C1 usb adsl modem |
| 01:43.46 | abrotman | not again |
| 01:43.47 | Winblowz | impossible to find drivers |
| 01:43.48 | hybrid | drac: what do you mean real debian wouldnt sarge be real debian? |
| 01:43.53 | Winblowz | having lots of trouble |
| 01:44.01 | nvz | jim: nope, didnt even realize who it was.. just seemed to fit |
| 01:44.01 | kindaBizzy | hybrid: anyway, you would be much better off to get the CD iso images and install after a format |
| 01:44.02 | plugwash | i have quite a few systems that were originally knoppix but they have been so upgraded they probablly don't count as debian anymore |
| 01:44.06 | abrotman | Winblowz: did you ask ##linux ? |
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| 01:44.11 | hybrid | oo ok |
| 01:44.18 | rdancer_ | simple and secure ftpd? |
| 01:44.19 | Winblowz | yeah no one seems to talk in those |
| 01:44.24 | drac | hybrid: no, i mean ubuntu is not debian, and you can't make it ever real debian. get sarge netinstaller. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 01:44.24 | abrotman | Guerin: quit goofing off |
| 01:44.24 | plugwash | i mean don't really count as knoppix anymore |
| 01:44.26 | Winblowz | so i figured id come here |
| 01:44.38 | Winblowz | cause i heard that guy that does knoppix is smart |
| 01:44.38 | abrotman | Winblowz: but you're not running debian? |
| 01:44.45 | jim | nvz: I was just thinking about an hour ago about a halloween party I should have went to with the bass player makeup on |
| 01:44.47 | abrotman | this isn't #knoppix either |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | jeez |
| 01:45.04 | abrotman | Winblowz: google "zytel linux driver" |
| 01:45.10 | Winblowz | ive tried that |
| 01:45.21 | plugwash | knoppix is only a very slightly tweaked debian sarge/sid mix |
| 01:45.33 | jim | Winblowz: while you're here you might try giving -debian- a shot... |
| 01:45.45 | kindaBizzy | hybrid: U can install via CD or use the netinstall method |
| 01:45.45 | Winblowz | i want to try out debian |
| 01:45.50 | Guerin | plugwash: it's only very slightly similar to sarge/sid, i think you mean |
| 01:45.56 | Winblowz | ppl told me its quite a hard distro to use |
| 01:46.03 | Winblowz | but i like a challenge |
| 01:46.04 | abrotman | Winblowz: try this http://sourceforge.net/projects/zyxel630-11 |
| 01:46.08 | hybrid | has anyone installed debian on ppc |
| 01:46.10 | plugwash | Guerin what gives you that idea |
| 01:46.13 | abrotman | Winblowz: and if you can .. email them and ask them |
| 01:46.13 | jim | no, it's easy to use and especially easy to maintain |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:46.14 | dpkg | i heard ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 01:46.17 | simonrvn | Winblowz: doing it instead of saying you will is usualy more efficient |
| 01:46.19 | Guerin | plugwash: it's not an idea, it's a fact. |
| 01:46.20 | nvz | is it so hard for _U_ _ppl_ to talk right? |
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| 01:46.53 | maelcum | Winblowz: join #kanotix <= newer as knoppix |
| 01:46.58 | jim | nvz: icurmt! |
| 01:47.00 | plugwash | Guerin i have never had any real trouble updating knoppix hdinstalls from the debian repositries |
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| 01:47.00 | abrotman | newer as ? |
| 01:47.06 | abrotman | jim: you're cum root? |
| 01:47.11 | abrotman | oh .. that's not right |
| 01:47.13 | jim | umm |
| 01:47.24 | jim | which channel is this again?! :) |
| 01:47.27 | plugwash | a few issues caused by the fact its a sarge/sid mix but nothing major |
| 01:47.29 | Winblowz | yeah i heard about kanotix |
| 01:47.29 | Guerin | plugwash: you're either 1) lucky 2) not running the same hdinstall for tlong or 3) talking ahit. |
| 01:47.33 | Winblowz | might go have a look |
| 01:47.47 | abrotman | good .. go ask them about your zyxel stuff |
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| 01:47.53 | kindaBizzy | Guerin: i won't say that you're wrong, but I think that knoppix is improving wrt getting closer to debian |
| 01:48.03 | jim | I am your new god... I am called cum root!! |
| 01:48.04 | plugwash | Guerin the firt upgrade is a bit horrid if its an old knoppix version |
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| 01:48.20 | abrotman | !jim is also cum root |
| 01:48.20 | dpkg | abrotman: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 01:48.24 | abrotman | oh well |
| 01:48.27 | jim | heh :) |
| 01:48.36 | jim | I can't unlock it either too :) |
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| 01:48.39 | plugwash | once your past that provided you are reasonablly competent with apt its pretty easy |
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| 01:49.05 | jim | abrotman: now that we did that, what did you really mean?:) |
| 01:49.16 | plugwash | if it says not upgraded for a package either remove it or tell it to install that package from unstable |
| 01:49.17 | Guerin | kindaBizzy: as long as it still has a shitload of nonstandard backapages (init, X) and disgustingly insecure configs (ssh -x by default; sudo All: ALL : ALL), it'll never even be in the same ballpark as debian |
| 01:49.20 | plugwash | pretty easy really |
| 01:49.27 | Guerin | plugwash: and the above advice goes for you, too. |
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| 01:49.45 | abrotman | jim: ihave no idea .. that happens sometimes |
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| 01:50.12 | jim | ahh... well, let me go back one frame |
| 01:50.22 | abrotman | jim: upgrade your xchat yet? |
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| 01:51.16 | jim | abrotman: that's still kinda secondary... also I figure if I do that I might as well bite the bullet and bring the rest of my sarge installation up to date |
| 01:51.20 | doub | plugwash: knoppix was not intended to be installed on a hard drive. debian has ever been. debian is easy to install now that d-i is out. why do you want to mess up with knoppix on a hard disk? |
| 01:51.24 | jim | I'm not quite ready to do that yet |
| 01:51.25 | abrotman | jim: there's an idea |
| 01:51.39 | abrotman | doub: i know!!! |
| 01:51.42 | jim | I don't like big changes :) |
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| 01:51.50 | kindaBizzy | Guerin: I think thqt they've changed some of what you're talking about |
| 01:51.55 | directhex | jim, so why use an unstable distribution? |
| 01:52.03 | abrotman | jim: just upgrade! |
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| 01:52.12 | abrotman | !be an upgrade barbie |
| 01:52.13 | jim | it's not so unstable :P |
| 01:52.13 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
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| 01:52.30 | Guerin | kindaBizzy: these are just examples. I could find more, if I cared enough. |
| 01:52.33 | jim | I just don't like surprises much |
| 01:52.38 | directhex | kindaBizzy, no, knoppix hardware detection has wasted HOURS of my time before as the person i was helping assured me it was Debian they had. |
| 01:52.42 | Guerin | !notdebian |
| 01:52.43 | dpkg | Debian is all about policy. Policy guides everything. Knoppix does not have Debian policy, ergo it is not Debian. |
| 01:52.47 | jim | not unless I'm ready to deal with them |
| 01:52.49 | kindaBizzy | Guerin: knoppix 3.7 has a 'debian' install, which I used to install. and, e.g., sudoers looks rational |
| 01:52.50 | Guerin | kindaBizzy: plugwash ^^^ |
| 01:53.49 | jim | !info libc6 |
| 01:53.52 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20 (sid), Packaged size: 4776 kB, Installed size: 15544 kB |
| 01:54.16 | jim | so it's not that far off |
| 01:54.23 | jim | I have -13 |
| 01:54.36 | directhex | so it's miles off, then |
| 01:54.46 | directhex | they don't release new versions for fun |
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| 01:58.09 | e0n | anyone has seen this error?: ~$ fgl_glxgears Error: couldn't get fbconfig |
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| 01:59.05 | drac | e0n: do you have framebuffering enabled in your kernel? don't use it same time with fglrx drivers. |
| 01:59.34 | LinuxFreek | Hey guys i can't use a gui once installed. it says no schreen found |
| 01:59.51 | LinuxFreek | any help |
| 01:59.53 | e0n | drac, do i have to recompile my kernel? |
| 02:00.02 | dondelelcaro | LinuxFreek: start by following the instructions in /msg dpkg set up x; |
| 02:00.31 | drac | e0n: if you have compiled them in.. i think you should get everything graphics related as modules. |
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| 02:00.59 | drac | e0n: only thing you need same time is agpgart and your agp chipset driver, with fglrx. nothing else related to your graphics. |
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| 02:01.05 | LinuxFreek | type in terminal "dpkg set up x" |
| 02:01.07 | e0n | drac, but the fb modules install themselves... |
| 02:01.20 | dondelelcaro | LinuxFreek: no, type into your client, /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:01.21 | drac | e0n: unload them from e.g. modconf ? |
| 02:01.28 | e0n | i think they are on the initrdimg or something... |
| 02:01.31 | LinuxFreek | k |
| 02:01.32 | dondelelcaro | LinuxFreek: that'll give you some basic instructions which you should have followed. |
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| 02:02.09 | drac | e0n: dunno, i've compiled my kernel, and left all framebuffering stuff out of it totally. |
| 02:02.12 | dondelelcaro | LinuxFreek: if that still doesn't help, you'll need to look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log; and tell us the first EE line that you see. |
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| 02:02.21 | dondelelcaro | LinuxFreek: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x; if you forget |
| 02:02.23 | DeadMan | hi all |
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| 02:02.28 | LinuxFreek | k |
| 02:02.49 | e0n | drac, yeah... i was afraid it would be fb related ;) thx |
| 02:02.54 | DeadMan | anyone there knows what i must install to be able to create C/GTK+ programs ? |
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| 02:03.05 | LinuxFreek | im not on linux cause i dont have the kernel source to run madwifi |
| 02:03.16 | sanxiyn | DeadMan: libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 02:03.32 | LinuxFreek | do u know where i can get it |
| 02:03.42 | sanxiyn | !k |
| 02:03.43 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 02:03.44 | sanxiyn | !u |
| 02:03.44 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:03.44 | blackout | i'm looking to setup automounted home directories served via afs - what automounting tool should I use? I was going to use autofs, but i'm not sure if it gets me anything to mount only the users' home directories that are logged in, and not all home dirs |
| 02:03.54 | blackout | thoughts? |
| 02:04.01 | jim | dpkg: yer buggin me :P |
| 02:04.01 | dpkg | jim: wish i knew |
| 02:04.10 | toresbe | Wow, what an interesting article |
| 02:04.11 | sanxiyn | jim: Sorry. |
| 02:04.21 | jim | np :) I was kidding anyway |
| 02:04.22 | toresbe | An interesting thought, too |
| 02:04.26 | secher | OT: I know this is off topic, but it's a short simple question. I need to find wireless devices (access points and routers) that do not require a wired interconnect. I'm building a wireless lan in a 200 yr old mansion, and the client does not want any cabling. I've googled to very limited avail, and I need suggestions. |
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| 02:04.49 | DeadMan | Sandman, i installed it, but i can't compile any GTK example, it says it cant find the gtk.h file. Do u know what parameters i must pass to gcc ? |
| 02:04.58 | sanxiyn | DeadMan: ? |
| 02:05.03 | LinuxFreek | use super g! |
| 02:05.03 | toresbe | secher: What do you mean by wired interconnect? |
| 02:05.21 | DeadMan | nevermind |
| 02:05.21 | toresbe | secher: Between the APs, between the routers, etc? |
| 02:05.24 | DeadMan | thanks. |
| 02:05.25 | jim | secher: so you won't be needing to connect to the outside at all? |
| 02:05.29 | secher | toresbe: i.e. Most access points require a wired lan.. Yes. |
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| 02:05.40 | toresbe | secher: I see what you mean. |
| 02:05.43 | secher | jim: there is already a cable modem in place. |
| 02:05.45 | sanxiyn | DeadMan: You are supposed to pass "pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags --libs" to GCC. |
| 02:05.45 | LinuxFreek | put wifi cards in all the comps |
| 02:05.49 | sanxiyn | DeadMan: Not any other way. |
| 02:05.54 | secher | which I can connect to. |
| 02:05.57 | toresbe | secher: Read up on WDS |
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| 02:06.08 | LinuxFreek | how much money do u have to spend |
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| 02:06.30 | secher | LinuxFreek: thrift is tail of dog. |
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| 02:06.38 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 02:06.38 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:06.55 | LinuxFreek | k |
| 02:07.05 | abrotman | secher: get extenders |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | secher: wait .. not even power cables? |
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| 02:07.20 | sanxiyn | Well, "OK" is from "All Correct", as far as I know. NOT from "Zero Killed". |
| 02:07.27 | toresbe | secher: http://www.connect802.com/wireless_bridging.htm for started |
| 02:07.28 | LinuxFreek | do any of u know where to get the source code for th ekernel |
| 02:07.31 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:07.31 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:07.32 | toresbe | sanxiyn: Teh wrong |
| 02:07.40 | abrotman | secher: ? |
| 02:07.45 | secher | abrotman: Extenders still require a cabled LAN to connect them.. and there are already outlets aplenty. |
| 02:07.47 | streuner__ | !irritate LinuxFreek |
| 02:07.47 | dpkg | LinuxFreek: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 02:07.53 | sanxiyn | toresbe: How? |
| 02:07.54 | toresbe | sanxiyn: It was a World War I expression |
| 02:07.54 | jim | sheesh. maybe for this you should use tell. |
| 02:07.58 | abrotman | secher: where do you find a 200 year old mansion? |
| 02:08.02 | abrotman | secher: no .. they don't |
| 02:08.11 | sanxiyn | toresbe: Wrong. First known usage is from 1839. |
| 02:08.15 | toresbe | abrotman: At the antique mansion shop, duh |
| 02:08.17 | sanxiyn | toresbe: Check some etym dictionary. |
| 02:08.24 | Zetabyte2 | Hey all, my gnome installation on my desktop machine, running Debian Sid, has become unstable. when running programs (like xchat, for example), the GUI will freeze, I can't click anything, though i can move the mouse. I can't even switch to virtual terminals. when i SSH in from another machine, top shows XFree86 at 98%+ CPU usage. Any ideas how to narrow down the problem?XFree86 |
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| 02:08.34 | DeadMan | sanxiyn, working fine now, thanks a lot :-) |
| 02:08.49 | sanxiyn | DeadMan: No problem :-) |
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| 02:09.08 | abrotman | secher: http://dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=267 .. see .. power only |
| 02:09.16 | secher | abrotman: I thought an extender merely connected to an access point to lengthen it's range/strengthen it's signal. This in an install that requires at least 3 access points due to the stone walls, old wiring, etc. |
| 02:09.22 | jim | Zetabyte2: you're running unstable... you're expecting something on your box to be any different? :) |
| 02:09.26 | secher | abrotman: am looking....... |
| 02:09.35 | abrotman | secher: jesus .. where did you get a job like that? |
| 02:09.38 | Zetabyte2 | noooo, but i'd like to see if i can't diagnose and fix the problem =) |
| 02:09.52 | sanxiyn | toresbe: Or, see http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=OK |
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| 02:10.05 | secher | abrotman: Moorestown NJ. Mansion built in 1825. |
| 02:10.11 | abrotman | secher: good .. i'll come help :) |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | secher: how much .. sq footage? |
| 02:10.36 | abrotman | secher: i can be there in an hour :) |
| 02:10.40 | sanxiyn | toresbe: As you can see, it can't be WW I expression. |
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| 02:11.09 | jim | Zetabyte2: ok... good enough... but, you should collect info about your situation... as much as you can get... cause we can use it to more conveniently help you out (and please -do- try to make things more convenient for the helpers here... they've been at this all day...) |
| 02:11.18 | toresbe | sanxiyn: interesitng |
| 02:11.24 | abrotman | Zetabyte2: first make sure all your stuff is up to date |
| 02:11.24 | secher | abrotman: Stay away, it's mine. :) I'd guess..... 4000 +... |
| 02:11.33 | abrotman | secher: stone walls will be a bugger though |
| 02:11.42 | abrotman | secher: i'd do it for fun .. i like older buildings |
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| 02:11.56 | secher | abrotman: I know.. and he wants to tie his security cameras into the network as well... |
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| 02:12.11 | abrotman | secher: anyways .. i was asking because belkin has those pre-N APs .. cover way way more area |
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| 02:12.25 | secher | abrotman: but that's Phase 2. |
| 02:12.27 | jim | history of your situation, things you did to change it, versions of everything involved, what you're getting, what you expect |
| 02:12.37 | jim | be a peer, and help out :) |
| 02:12.39 | abrotman | secher: right .. well .. those extenders are one way |
| 02:12.50 | Zetabyte2 | i have apt-get update'd and upgraded several times, no packages are held back. is it a P4 Prescott (HT) system running custom 2.6.9 kernel, and the nvidia video drivers. there is also a second PCI vid card (3dfx voodoo 3) running a second monitor. |
| 02:13.16 | jim | Zetabyte2: good start... keep going |
| 02:13.28 | secher | Between the extenders and WDS, I should be able to find a solution. Thanks all for tolerating my OT discussion, and Thanks for the help. |
| 02:13.33 | sanxiyn | Zetabyte2: Tough. |
| 02:13.34 | abrotman | secher: i've never used one .. but i've thought about it |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | secher: but i'm only 10ft from my AP :) |
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| 02:13.58 | PerfDave | Zetabyte2: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 02:13.59 | Zetabyte2 | last weekend I had a little install fest, and many people installed debian. Many of us had problems with kde/gnome, and we never did figure out what the problem was, but it occured with both unstable and testing. We thought it was related to the nvidia drivers at the time |
| 02:14.06 | abrotman | and since i decided to kick my door in today .. i may have to buy a new doorframe |
| 02:14.33 | jim | abrotman: wow... you and doors... |
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| 02:14.42 | Zetabyte2 | people from the installfest told me they apt-get upgraded today and things were working, so i thought it was safe to go ahead and do so on my machine, that was when this started. |
| 02:14.43 | abrotman | jim: i locked my keys in my apt |
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| 02:14.52 | jim | ugh, sorry to hear that part |
| 02:15.01 | PerfDave | abrotman: I live in a 14th century stone cottage. Have been pondering wireless but want to test the stone's permeability to microwaves ;) |
| 02:15.09 | PerfDave | Zetabyte2: Any reason why you're running unstable? |
| 02:15.18 | abrotman | PerfDave: get an xray machine ... |
| 02:15.26 | orfeu | what it is a RPC server and portmap !? |
| 02:15.31 | abrotman | !portmap |
| 02:15.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, portmap is for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. |
| 02:15.45 | abrotman | !prc |
| 02:15.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, prc is People's Republic of China |
| 02:15.47 | abrotman | !rpc |
| 02:15.47 | dpkg | rpc is probably remote procedure call, a protocol used for executing procedures on a (usually remote) server |
| 02:15.55 | drac | :p |
| 02:16.01 | Zetabyte2 | I was told unstable was the best choice if you don't mind...well.. what i'm going through now. If your willing to trade off stability for more packages, more recently updated. |
| 02:16.06 | secher | PerfDave: I'll let you know how it goes... |
| 02:16.28 | PerfDave | Zetabyte2: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 02:16.31 | PerfDave | Zetabyte2: Check the BTS |
| 02:16.35 | Zetabyte2 | ok, will do |
| 02:16.40 | Pendragon | exit |
| 02:17.05 | sanxiyn | Zetabyte2: If it is a new bug, please report it :-) |
| 02:17.06 | jim | is the java plugin included with the jdk still, or do I get that separately? |
| 02:17.12 | PerfDave | Sarge has plenty of packages, which are new enough to be interesting but old enough not to have killer bugs. |
| 02:17.19 | sanxiyn | Zetabyte2: That way others using testing won't suffer. |
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| 02:17.28 | cafuego | jim: comes with the jdk/jre provided you run x86 |
| 02:17.40 | jim | yes, I run x86 |
| 02:17.41 | sanxiyn | jim: Included in JRE. |
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| 02:18.09 | cafuego | coz apparently it's "too hard" to port the plugin to ppc or ia64 |
| 02:18.34 | jim | is it still that I create a link to the file in a firefox dir? |
| 02:18.40 | sanxiyn | jim: Yes. |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | jim: no |
| 02:18.51 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Eh, no? |
| 02:18.57 | jim | err, ok,,, then what/how? |
| 02:18.58 | cafuego | jim: If you use make-jpkg on the .bin you download from sun, you need to link anything. |
| 02:19.05 | sanxiyn | Ah. |
| 02:19.07 | cafuego | s/to/not/ |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | if you use the java-package and the associated one it tells you to install .. it does the stuff you need |
| 02:19.08 | sanxiyn | Yup. |
| 02:19.09 | chealer | jim: just check mozilla.org FAQ |
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| 02:19.19 | jim | ok |
| 02:19.22 | chealer | (although it's badly outdated) |
| 02:19.22 | sanxiyn | jim: Debian's java-package does that for you, I heard. |
| 02:19.46 | abrotman | i think it's the associated package |
| 02:19.51 | chealer | jim: or plugindoc |
| 02:19.52 | sanxiyn | For non-x86, alternative includes gcjwebplugin and Konqueror's JVM method using X window swallow w/ Kaffe or other free JVM. |
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| 02:20.00 | sanxiyn | (Both... doesn't work well.) |
| 02:20.08 | PerfDave | Or just don't use Java ;) |
| 02:20.13 | cafuego | sanxiyn: neither of which has ever worked for me <heh> |
| 02:20.19 | abrotman | eww .. java |
| 02:20.24 | sanxiyn | cafuego: It worked for me in Classpath java applet and some Go applets. |
| 02:20.26 | jim | OK, it looks like it's already enabled |
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| 02:20.30 | sanxiyn | cafuego: It *does* work, to some extent. |
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| 02:20.51 | sanxiyn | (You can search for my success report to gcjwebplugin user mailing list, actually.) |
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| 02:21.11 | Zetabyte2 | sanxiyn, that is exactly what I intend to do, if it is a new bug. pointing me to the sid faq, (and the link to the BTS it had) was probably the right answer for me =) it's quite irregular that i've run sid this long without reading either.... |
| 02:21.20 | chealer | success report...hum... |
| 02:21.20 | abrotman | sanxiyn: about as good as kaffe? |
| 02:21.29 | sanxiyn | abrotman: ? |
| 02:21.39 | abrotman | sanxiyn: ever tried kaffe? |
| 02:21.43 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Sure. |
| 02:21.44 | Roadrunne | Hi @ll, is there any way to run a php script and append the output to a existing file? wget can't append?! |
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| 02:22.07 | abrotman | sanxiyn: i tried to use it with tomcat4 .. uuuuggglly |
| 02:22.14 | sanxiyn | abrotman: But Java applets in the web browser needs a little bit more than JRE. |
| 02:22.17 | cafuego | Roadrunne: wget to stdout, then redirect using >> |
| 02:22.22 | sanxiyn | abrotman: It's getting whole lot better. |
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| 02:22.53 | abrotman | sanxiyn: well .. most of it worked .. but a few things didn't .. and i can't tell you what anymore .. since i did it a while ago |
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| 02:23.46 | cafuego | sanxiyn: The only thing I need Java for these days is a pub key crypto api for the tax office website |
| 02:23.55 | Roadrunne | cafuego: so just leave away -O and >> to file? I should have thought about that :-) |
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| 02:24.07 | jim | boom! |
| 02:24.28 | jim | I try java applet from the browser and... (see above) |
| 02:24.36 | abrotman | boom ? |
| 02:24.38 | abrotman | !boom |
| 02:24.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, boom is explosion, death, chaos |
| 02:24.43 | abrotman | yeah .. like that :) |
| 02:24.47 | jim | yeah, killed my x session |
| 02:24.50 | sanxiyn | oops |
| 02:24.52 | abrotman | jim: which browser? |
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| 02:24.59 | jim | firefox |
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| 02:25.17 | jim | 0.9.3 |
| 02:25.18 | abrotman | jim: url? |
| 02:25.23 | abrotman | jim: god .. upgrade already!!! |
| 02:25.35 | TyPhOoN | upgrade to 1.x |
| 02:25.36 | cafuego | !info firefox sarge |
| 02:25.43 | abrotman | 1.0 |
| 02:25.43 | PerfDave | abrotman: 0.9.3 is the One True Version of Firefox |
| 02:25.51 | cafuego | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | PerfDave: bah .. you and your ^w |
| 02:25.52 | jim | okok |
| 02:25.56 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0+dfsg.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 9226 kB, Installed size: 26472 kB |
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| 02:26.21 | cafuego | Wanted: washing machine |
| 02:26.24 | caphuso | lightweight!?! |
| 02:26.33 | Roadrunne | cafuego: hm, not that easy as i thought :-) how to tell wget to write to stdout? |
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| 02:26.35 | sbk | took the words out of my mouth :-) |
| 02:26.39 | cafuego | caphuso: compared to mozilla? |
| 02:26.46 | sanxiyn | lightweight haha |
| 02:26.51 | jim | took the mouths right outta my word! |
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| 02:26.56 | cafuego | caphuso: Coz you know, it can't do irc or mail... |
| 02:27.28 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.32 | jim | I still don't like surprises... but here I go |
| 02:27.34 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.50 | caphuso | cafuego: yes, compared to mozilla |
| 02:27.58 | abrotman | jim: come on .. jump into 2005 :) |
| 02:28.10 | sanxiyn | Roadrunne: wget -O - |
| 02:28.12 | cafuego | caphuso: Now run mail and irtc on moz as well and compare again. |
| 02:28.19 | sanxiyn | (output document to standard output, to translate) |
| 02:28.24 | caphuso | cafuego: i don't have those installed |
| 02:28.28 | orfeu | where i find some documentation about run level on debian ? |
| 02:28.33 | caphuso | orfeu: /etc/init.d/README |
| 02:28.40 | cafuego | caphuso: pffff |
| 02:29.04 | orfeu | thnks |
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| 02:30.41 | sanxiyn | !info libmetakit-python |
| 02:30.46 | dpkg | libmetakit-python: (Metakit bindings for python), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.9.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 192 kB, Installed size: 476 kB |
| 02:30.50 | sanxiyn | !info python-metakit |
| 02:30.57 | dpkg | python-metakit: (Metakit bindings for python), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.9.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 02:31.03 | sanxiyn | Hm. What is this... |
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| 02:32.19 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.29 | jim | ups :) |
| 02:32.31 | Roadrunne | sanxiyn: ok, now it's writing to file, but not appending... wget -O - -T 0 http://xxx/test.php >> tt.txt |
| 02:32.48 | abrotman | jim: done upgrading yet? |
| 02:33.06 | jsn | I have a weird problem, it's more of an admin thing. Before and after reboot I can't really ssh in, but the webserver on the machine works fine. ping results in 1 of 20 (say) packets returning, but the one does the ... |
| 02:33.07 | jsn | roundtrip very quick. Any guesses? |
| 02:33.24 | jim | sheesh :P am I done downloading 641 megabytes... |
| 02:33.27 | jim | hmm... |
| 02:33.29 | jim | NO! |
| 02:33.38 | jsn | (ssh works, but then I can't type anything at the command line), uptime shows load average around 0 |
| 02:33.41 | sanxiyn | Roadrunne: It does for me. |
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| 02:33.56 | nny | some one will help me with the file permissions? |
| 02:34.11 | jim | nny: info fileutils |
| 02:34.13 | PerfDave | jsn: Could SSH be taking a while to start up for some reason? Either because it's late in the starting sequence, or because it's taking a while to generate a key, or some other reason? |
| 02:34.13 | fatalblu | not particularly |
| 02:34.13 | jsn | Just ask the question, nny |
| 02:34.23 | jim | info about file permissions is right there |
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| 02:34.29 | abrotman | jim: no? |
| 02:34.34 | jim | no. |
| 02:34.37 | jim | not. |
| 02:34.40 | jim | yet. |
| 02:34.43 | jsn | PerfDave: It's never had this problem before. Before reboot the system had served many ssh sessions and never had a problem (been up for 20 days) |
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| 02:34.56 | chealer | anybody used gtkam? I'm trying to use a canon powershot A85 and it tells me "No cameras detected." (first try on USB with debian) |
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| 02:35.01 | PerfDave | jsn: Is there anything in the ssh log? |
| 02:35.01 | Roadrunne | sanxiyn: for me not :-( |
| 02:35.12 | sanxiyn | Roadrunne: That's very strange. |
| 02:35.18 | PerfDave | jsn: Can you ssh in *at all*? |
| 02:35.18 | nny | jim: is not info, I do "ls /mnt/hda" but I don't see any permissions info, and it is supposed to appear isn't it? |
| 02:35.19 | jim | the download is at 9% |
| 02:35.30 | PerfDave | nny: No |
| 02:35.31 | jim | nny: man ls |
| 02:35.31 | PerfDave | nny: ls -l |
| 02:35.34 | Roadrunne | sanxiyn: wget says 03:34:30 (4.88 KB/s) - `-' saved [5] |
| 02:35.36 | sanxiyn | Roadrunne: File appending >> has nothing to do with wget -O -. |
| 02:35.36 | PerfDave | !faq nny |
| 02:35.37 | dpkg | nny: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:35.38 | Zetabyte2 | Given the crashing problems i described above, what exactly should i search for in BTS to find a similar bug? whatever package XFree86 is in? |
| 02:35.44 | sanxiyn | Roadrunne: Yes, and it's done. Check your file. |
| 02:35.56 | jsn | PerfDave: I log in, and then its frozen. No characters have yet appeared. ssh -l root machinename "uptime" works, though, so I'll try that to check the ssh log |
| 02:35.58 | sanxiyn | (Shell is appending file, not wget.) |
| 02:36.01 | jsn | Remember, ping is hosed, too. |
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| 02:36.06 | Roadrunne | sanxiyn: but the file is not increasing every time 5 bytes... it's still 5 bytes... |
| 02:36.12 | sanxiyn | Roadrunne: Can't be. |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | Zetabyte2: that would be xserver-xfree86 . but you're runing nvidia driver? |
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| 02:36.30 | sanxiyn | I confirmed my file size increasing on my computer... |
| 02:36.34 | cafuego | 4227 cafuego 15 0 228m 37m 21m S 0.0 2.5 0:06.62 firefox-bin |
| 02:36.35 | cafuego | 4257 cafuego 15 0 218m 34m 19m S 0.0 2.3 0:01.59 mozilla-bin |
| 02:36.36 | nny | ok, that's all I needed for the moment, thanks n_n |
| 02:36.37 | cafuego | hmm. |
| 02:36.38 | Zetabyte2 | yes, so it might be under that too i guess... |
| 02:36.49 | KimHansen | jsn: You might have problems with FD/HD og 100/10mbps |
| 02:37.00 | Roadrunne | sanxiyn: seems, that wget is overwriting it, instead of appending |
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| 02:37.08 | sanxiyn | Roadrunne: Well, wget can't... |
| 02:37.14 | sanxiyn | Roadrunne: File appending is shell's job. |
| 02:37.17 | streuner__ | !lart cafuego |
| 02:37.30 | cafuego | !directhexsmite streuner__ |
| 02:37.44 | sanxiyn | Oh, that smite is strange... |
| 02:37.48 | PerfDave | jsn: Sounds like there might be something wrong with your shell setup, maybe. Try ssh -v to connect to the machine |
| 02:37.48 | cafuego | !directhexsmite streuner |
| 02:37.52 | jsn | KimHansen: Why would the website work then? |
| 02:37.54 | sanxiyn | That's better. |
| 02:37.57 | jsn | PerfDave: I'll try |
| 02:38.04 | cafuego | sanxiyn: the common theme is 'crap software'. |
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| 02:38.55 | KimHansen | jsn: Are you pinging from a machine close to the server with the problem? |
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| 02:39.07 | jsn | KimHansen: Yes. Very close. |
| 02:39.28 | Roadrunne | sanxiyn: then, what's going wrong? when i run wget once, the file will be created, when I 'echo "test" >> tt.txt"' the file increases and is correct. when i run wget again the file is flushed and only the current output is written. |
| 02:39.31 | Zetabyte2 | I see a lot of bugs relating to Voodoo 3 [tdfx] driver... maybe i should turn off dual monitors and disable that card, and see if problems persist... |
| 02:39.38 | jsn | Once I log in via ssh it simply dies. No ctrl- chars work, nothing ever appears in the terminal |
| 02:39.39 | streuner | cafuego: who created those crap, its just funny :-) |
| 02:39.46 | jsn | s/dies/freezes/, sorry |
| 02:39.48 | sanxiyn | Roadrunne: Not sure what's going on... |
| 02:39.55 | sanxiyn | Roadrunne: As I said, it works for me here. |
| 02:40.00 | sanxiyn | (And it should) |
| 02:40.03 | jsn | ftp in is slow, but works. http was probably slowish |
| 02:40.08 | Roadrunne | sanxiyn: what version do you use? |
| 02:40.21 | KimHansen | jsn: Then it must be a network-problem because you are having problems with ping |
| 02:40.32 | jsn | Must be, thanks. |
| 02:40.42 | sanxiyn | Roadrunne: GNU bash 3.00.16(1) and GNU Wget 1.9.1. |
| 02:40.49 | sanxiyn | (i.e. Sid up-to-date) |
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| 02:41.45 | KimHansen | jsn: ftp and http uses TCP and can resend dropped packages, ssh might have more problems because it is more interactive |
| 02:41.49 | sanxiyn | Wow rail is ITP'd. #293055. |
| 02:41.58 | sanxiyn | Coolness. |
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| 02:42.06 | Roadrunne | sanxiyn: i use bash 2.05a and wget 1.8.1 |
| 02:42.10 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: Exactly what command are you running? |
| 02:42.22 | chealer | sanxiyn: what should happen in the packaging process after an ITP? |
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| 02:42.23 | streuner | cafuego: mhallsmite is cool... ;-) |
| 02:42.32 | jsn | My connection to the net seems fine. Hmm. |
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| 02:42.43 | sanxiyn | chealer: Actual packaging, and if packager is not DD sponsoring, and upload. |
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| 02:42.59 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: wget -q -O - http://domain.xx/test.php >> tt.txt |
| 02:43.00 | phenom | in gnome, how do you make theme changes take place instantly? |
| 02:43.15 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: test.php only echos "test" |
| 02:43.17 | chealer | sanxiyn: sponsoring? |
| 02:43.33 | sanxiyn | chealer: Some DD confirms quality/sanity/etc of package and upload instead. |
| 02:43.41 | sanxiyn | (Until the packager becomes DD himself.) |
| 02:43.43 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: 'echo "test\n";' |
| 02:43.51 | chealer | sanxiyn: what do you think happens to mediawiki? |
| 02:44.04 | sanxiyn | chealer: Check the relevant bug? |
| 02:44.14 | sanxiyn | Here: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/wnpp/being_packaged |
| 02:44.28 | sanxiyn | Oops it's one year old. Bad. |
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| 02:44.40 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: Hmm. I am doing this: wget -q -O - http://www.debian.org/ >> debian.org.html; ls -lh debian.org.html |
| 02:44.51 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: And the file is growing by ~15k a time |
| 02:45.07 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: wait a second i copy this line a do it too... |
| 02:45.11 | PhotonX | does anyone have a quick guide on how to setup debian as a router? |
| 02:45.11 | sanxiyn | chealer: #217571 |
| 02:45.23 | PerfDave | PhotonX: Define "router" in this context |
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| 02:45.32 | streuner | PhotonX: apt-get install ipmasq, done. |
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| 02:45.59 | PhotonX | PerfDave: 433 mhz celeron with 128 megs of ram and 13 gig hard drive, 2 nics. |
| 02:46.00 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: This is using bash 2.05b-24 and wget 1.9.1-4 from Sarge |
| 02:46.00 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: very strange, here the file is always 15k... |
| 02:46.03 | PhotonX | a NAT |
| 02:46.06 | cabbie | Maybe old hat, but I just succeeded in getting my laptop Winmodem (lucent) to work under debian! :) |
| 02:46.16 | PerfDave | PhotonX: No, that's a hardware description. What are you trying to do? |
| 02:46.36 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: i use bash 2.05a and wget 1.8.1 |
| 02:46.45 | PhotonX | what do you think im trying to do with those specs? :P 3 computers need to get onto the internet so im trying to setup a NAT for them to access the internet |
| 02:46.47 | chealer | sanxiyn: yes but I still wonder what's happening |
| 02:46.58 | PhotonX | iptables preferred, and a web based administration tool might be nice |
| 02:47.04 | PhotonX | and i want to be able to run things like irssi on it |
| 02:47.05 | sanxiyn | chealer: It seems the package finished packaging as of last year December... |
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| 02:47.13 | Roadrunne | sbk: I copied the line directly to the console.... |
| 02:47.14 | sanxiyn | chealer: Track debian-mentors list for more, or mail the packager. |
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| 02:47.26 | streuner | PhotonX: apt-get install ipmasq, done. |
| 02:47.37 | sanxiyn | (There are >2 year old ITPs, actually.) |
| 02:47.38 | PerfDave | PhotonX: If you want to do that with Debian, you probably just need the ipmasq package. But you should read the documentation at http://www.netfilter.org/ |
| 02:47.38 | chealer | so, any idea aboug gtkam "No cameras detected." ? |
| 02:47.55 | sussudio | in soviet russia, cameras detect you |
| 02:48.01 | sanxiyn | Wow cool. |
| 02:48.02 | chealer | sanxiyn: hah, I see... |
| 02:48.07 | PhotonX | alright thank you. also what version of debian should i use? |
| 02:48.09 | PerfDave | PhotonX: You don't want a pretty web interface for admin, and if you do you might be better off running a dedicated firewall/router distro like IPCop. |
| 02:48.18 | PerfDave | PhotonX: 3.0r4 |
| 02:48.22 | Zetabyte2 | PhotonX, I spent a lot of time tweaking my firewall/router machine to get the NAT/firewall/DNS/everything working just so... if you are looking for a "quick fix" seek ...what PerfDave said. |
| 02:48.27 | sanxiyn | chealer: I myself mailed the packager, mailed ITP bug, etc. many times. Be patient :-) |
| 02:48.31 | PhotonX | PerfDave: yes i do, since my brother might want to forward ports at times |
| 02:48.46 | PerfDave | PhotonX: Then use a dedicated firewall distro like IPCop |
| 02:48.47 | chealer | sanxiyn: yeah, it had already been packaged 3 times :) |
| 02:49.04 | PhotonX | PerfDave: thanks |
| 02:49.07 | PerfDave | PhotonX: Or teach your brother to use iptables, it's not hard ;) |
| 02:49.09 | sanxiyn | chealer: That will happen more, until it's included in the official archive. |
| 02:49.21 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: can i check if wget is writing correctly to stdout? |
| 02:49.24 | sbk | Roadrunne: *shrug* simply not possible, what can I say :-) you aren't checking the wrong file when you do ls -l I assume |
| 02:49.28 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: Yes, you can. |
| 02:49.29 | streuner | PerfDave: debian just runs fine as gateway |
| 02:49.39 | PerfDave | streuner: Did I say it didn't? |
| 02:49.40 | PhotonX | PerfDave: i dont want him touching iptables |
| 02:49.50 | Zetabyte2 | PhotonX, if you'd like a book rather than online documentation, see "Linux Firewalls", by Zeigler. |
| 02:50.02 | PhotonX | online documentation would be best |
| 02:50.10 | streuner | PerfDave: PerfDave> PhotonX: Then use a dedicated firewall distro like IPCop |
| 02:50.14 | PhotonX | actually somone mentioned uh |
| 02:50.19 | Zetabyte2 | often, books are best. Online documentation, however, is free =D |
| 02:50.22 | PhotonX | actually never mind |
| 02:50.23 | PhotonX | haha |
| 02:50.43 | PerfDave | streuner: I didn't say that Debian didn't work as a gateway. But if you want something easy to set up with a pretty web interface, IPCop might be a better solution for your problem. |
| 02:50.56 | Roadrunne | sbk: no, it's the correct file, since i copied it directly from here, the file debian.org.html wasn't there before. |
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| 02:51.05 | streuner | ipmasq is pretty easy, just install it, done. |
| 02:51.23 | PhotonX | PerfDave: do you know if ipcop lets you run shells and etc? |
| 02:51.37 | PhotonX | PerfDave: or is it a "locked" environment like.. BBIAgent |
| 02:51.40 | PerfDave | PhotonX: It's a linux distro, so I expect so ;) |
| 02:51.42 | Seb | how would I go about disabling ipv6 altogether in debian's 2.6.10 ? |
| 02:51.46 | PhotonX | PerfDave: k thanks |
| 02:51.47 | sbk | Roadrunne: ah, oh well. sorry, can't figure out why you'd have such an unusual situation |
| 02:51.48 | PerfDave | PhotonX: IIRC it runs an sshd if you ask it nicely. |
| 02:51.52 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: how? when i use 'wget ... | tee -a test.html' it appends but also prints the stuff to the console. |
| 02:52.36 | abrotman | erm .. where's that list joey made of security stuff for sarge? |
| 02:52.45 | Roadrunne | sbk: echo 'ddd' >> tt.txt works, so appending works, seems to be a prob with this version of wget... |
| 02:53.07 | abrotman | found it |
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| 02:53.19 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: It can't be a wget problem. Appending and redirection is handled by bash, not wget. |
| 02:53.32 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: You probably want to read up on bash. |
| 02:53.50 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: so, why it's going wrong? :-) |
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| 02:54.15 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 02:54.16 | dpkg | somebody said testing security issues was http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 02:54.33 | sbk | Roadrunne is (surprisingly!) entirely correct |
| 02:55.03 | sbk | I believe wget is flushing only on newlines |
| 02:55.04 | mdh | PhotonX: IPCop will let you ssh into it for remote admin |
| 02:55.22 | sbk | and Roadrunne probably has a file without a terminating newlien |
| 02:55.28 | mdh | PhotonX: you can also use it as a base distribution as such, ie you can run whatever the hell you like on it |
| 02:55.29 | sanxiyn | sbk: Wow |
| 02:55.43 | PhotonX | mdh: thanks a bunch :) |
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| 02:56.28 | Roadrunne | sbk: the php script has echo 'test\n'; so there should be a newline, or what do you mean? |
| 02:56.51 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: Does it work with a URL that isn't this dodgy test script of yours? |
| 02:57.35 | sbk | doesn't explain the debian.html test, however, weird |
| 02:58.19 | mdh | PhotonX: there's another one called cdrouter, http://www.wifi.com.ar/english/cdrouter.html |
| 02:58.22 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: no with your debian-wget it's also not working. |
| 02:58.37 | Roadrunne | sbk: can you reproduce this behaviour with the debian url too? |
| 02:58.51 | mdh | PhotonX: IPCop needs to be installed to a hard disk, cdrouter can run live |
| 02:58.53 | sbk | Roadrunne: doubt it, but let me check since I was surprised before |
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| 02:59.32 | Roadrunne | sbk: :-) |
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| 02:59.58 | sbk | and wonder of wonders -- it doesn't increase either |
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| 03:00.36 | Roadrunne | sbk: thanks, so i'm not weird :-) |
| 03:00.36 | PerfDave | sbk: So how come it writes in the first instance but doesn't append? |
| 03:00.52 | Zetabyte2 | anyone know offhand where the panels/applet setup info is stored so that i might copy my gnome2 configuration from one machine to another? or what i should google for? |
| 03:01.04 | sbk | PerfDave: dunno. it doesn't make any sense to me either |
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| 03:01.14 | PerfDave | You can always cludge it with wget | tee -a file > /dev/null *g* |
| 03:01.32 | Goldfisch2 | I have an AMD 64 chip + motherboard coming in a couple days to upgrade my current system. Is there some key packages to install, or maybe a HOWTO for debian? |
| 03:01.34 | KimHansen | What is the command you are running? |
| 03:01.37 | mdh | Zetabyte2: it's all stored in gconf. shift your ~/.gconf* and /.gnome* directories across |
| 03:01.46 | sbk | the only possibility I can see is wget is actually deciding whether it's on a tty or not |
| 03:01.58 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: this is what i thought about, i'll test it... :-) |
| 03:01.58 | Zetabyte2 | mdh: i thought that might work, wanted to make sure. thanks =) |
| 03:01.58 | drac | Is there monitoring program (like WMPiki) that pings other network machines and shows e.g. red or green light in X if they are up or down? |
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| 03:02.28 | mdh | drac: nagios |
| 03:02.43 | debian | Goldfisch2: I think #debian-amd64 |
| 03:02.51 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: works. not a nice solution, but works :-) |
| 03:02.59 | caphuso | wget seems to be fucked up |
| 03:03.11 | mdh | caphuso: use curl instead |
| 03:03.11 | drac | mdh, thanks, i'll have a look at it. |
| 03:03.12 | nny | i still need help with the file permissions |
| 03:03.28 | nny | I have mounted 4 ntfs partitions but I cannot acces them with konqueror |
| 03:03.42 | nny | I try to modify the permissions but it don't lent me |
| 03:03.45 | sbk | http://www.pastebin.com/236030 for my test case to reproduce the Roadrunne bug |
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| 03:03.56 | nny | I modified the /etc/fstab and sitt don't work |
| 03:03.59 | nny | what can I do? |
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| 03:04.22 | sbk | the modification time changes, so the shell is doing its thing. wget is not flushing out the output for some reason |
| 03:04.39 | mdh | nny: the ntfs filesystem will mount read-only by default, and you do not want to be messing about with its file permissions |
| 03:04.44 | caphuso | "wget -O- http://www.debian.org/" without any redirections, it reported 15KiB saved, but didn't print anything of it on the terminal |
| 03:04.45 | Roadrunne | sbk: wget seems to overwrite the existing file. |
| 03:05.00 | mdh | nny: change your fstab to mount it readable to a group you are in, and remount the fs |
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| 03:05.30 | nny | mdh: well the thing is.. I cannot see my files with konqueror or with a console as normal user (not root or superuser) |
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| 03:05.39 | mdh | caphuso: some apps don't accept '-' to mean stdout anymore :( |
| 03:05.42 | PhotonX | mdh: i know its belated but thanks for the links. |
| 03:05.44 | caphuso | mdh: wget does |
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| 03:06.10 | KimHansen | wget 1.9.1 works for me |
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| 03:06.15 | mdh | nny: that's because when you mount it, those users cannot read the files. fix your fstab. |
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| 03:06.51 | nny | mdh: my fstab is like this "/dev/hda1 /mnt/hda ntfs umask=0 0 0" what I have to do to make it readeable? |
| 03:07.06 | caphuso | nny: man mount, the uid/gid/umask options |
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| 03:08.13 | mdh | nny: as I mentioned before, make it mounted to a group your users are in so they can read it |
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| 03:08.43 | cg0def | I can't login as a regular user from gdm how can I fix that? |
| 03:09.19 | cg0def | when I try a regular user account is says that the system is already booting up before I even enter the password |
| 03:09.36 | cg0def | however with the root user I have no problems |
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| 03:09.51 | nny | so I hace to put umask=770 ??? |
| 03:10.25 | wolviee | Can anyone explain me (practical example) what the fmask/ dmask options in smbmount do? |
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| 03:10.49 | Roadrunne | sbk: thx for ya help, i'll use the tee/tea :-) |
| 03:10.51 | caphuso | wolviee: like umask, but for files or directories only |
| 03:11.00 | hazzern | !fmask |
| 03:11.25 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: thx for ya help, i'll use the tee/tea :-) |
| 03:11.25 | sbk | Roadrunne: don't think I did anymore than confirm your problem; interesting little bug |
| 03:11.55 | mdh | nny: no, you want to mount it as a specific uid. man mount |
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| 03:12.03 | mdh | nny: s/uid/gid/ |
| 03:12.48 | sbk | it's getting more and more interetsing. strace is reporting that wget itself is doing the write(1, ...) on the data it gets |
| 03:13.07 | wolviee | caphuso, That I get. Practise now (sorry for the flood :/) I want to smbmount (client:neuron) a samba share (server: core). The share (//core/multimedia) server options: forcegroup=1050 createmask=0770 directorymask=0770. The actuall dir on core is /share/multimedia (group 1050 has rwx permissions ) all the files created inside that dir have the 0770 permissions and group 1050. User@neuron is in group 1050. the share is mounted (fstab -o cre |
| 03:13.07 | wolviee | dentials=/foo/bar only). What will change if I add a fmask=sth option? |
| 03:13.09 | Roadrunne | sbk: yeah, but since that, i'm not that stupid guy who can't type >> :-) |
| 03:13.23 | sbk | Roadrunne: indeed, indeed. |
| 03:13.38 | caphuso | wolviee: file permissions |
| 03:14.50 | nny | mdh: where have I to put s/uid/gid/ ? |
| 03:15.10 | nny | mdh: sorry I'm newby and i'm still an ignorant |
| 03:15.20 | cg0def | I am trying to check and possibly change the rc level that debian runs in but I can't find any of the config files help pls ... I am really new to debian |
| 03:15.46 | wolviee | caphuso, Ok. How will they change? |
| 03:16.06 | caphuso | wolviee: they'll turn green... |
| 03:16.39 | caphuso | wolviee: exactly how do you expect me to know how they'll change without telling me the actual value of fmask you plan to use? |
| 03:17.06 | caphuso | i shouldn't bother answering the question of people i don't know... |
| 03:17.08 | wolviee | caphuso, Let's say fmask=777, then fmask=0753 |
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| 03:17.58 | nny | ... |
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| 03:18.43 | caphuso | wolviee: --------- and -----w-r-- |
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| 03:19.04 | hazzern | does anyone know of any jidigo mirrors with the latest files i mean 3r4 stable |
| 03:19.21 | hazzern | it shouldnt be a ftp :) |
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| 03:19.26 | hazzern | http works fine here |
| 03:19.39 | sbk | Ok, I see the place in strace where wget is trying to get funny, for anyone who cares ;-) it is truncating file descriptor #1, which on the "append" redirect from bash causes misery. http://www.pastebin.com/236037 |
| 03:20.08 | nny | so... i have to put the values for uid and gid |
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| 03:20.49 | caphuso | sbk: nice |
| 03:21.00 | caphuso | more programs should do that, it's certainly entertaining |
| 03:21.12 | sbk | heh. Anyway, Roadrunne was right about everything, learn something new everyday |
| 03:21.24 | Roadrunne | caphuso: i wasn't entertaining me :-) |
| 03:21.31 | Roadrunne | s/i/it |
| 03:21.47 | jim | hmm, 88% |
| 03:22.07 | caphuso | Roadrunne: it was, you're just not yet wizardish enough to enjoy it :-) |
| 03:22.10 | sbk | I even see the code (http.c:1345) for the debian source package |
| 03:22.43 | Roadrunne | caphuso: here it's 4:22am... :-( |
| 03:23.05 | chealer | is there something I should read before trying to do anything USB under debian? I'm still unable to use gtkam |
| 03:23.12 | caphuso | Roadrunne: here too |
| 03:23.48 | Roadrunne | caphuso: cool. where do you come from? |
| 03:23.50 | nny | so this is correct "/dev/hda1 /mnt/hda ntfs uid=7,gid=7,umask=7 0 0" ???? |
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| 03:24.01 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a fs war |
| 03:24.02 | ravenbird | JFS is better than XFS!! |
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| 03:24.16 | jim | chealer: well you should make sure your kernel has all the usb modules built, then plug something in while watching your log scroll by, and see what the kernel thinks of what you plug in |
| 03:24.19 | caphuso | nny: you probably want an umask of 002 |
| 03:24.42 | caphuso | or maybe 022 |
| 03:24.53 | chealer | jim: what modules :? |
| 03:24.55 | nny | i want to access my data in the partition |
| 03:25.06 | jim | all modules involving usb in any way |
| 03:25.10 | FieldySnuts | we figured |
| 03:25.11 | caphuso | nny: then good luck with your umask of 7 |
| 03:25.23 | FieldySnuts | hint: AND |
| 03:25.30 | sbk | Roadrunne: so the other way to fix your problem (basically, you don't want to give wget a direct file pointer) is wget -q -O - 'http://www.debian.org/' | cat >> debian.org.html |
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| 03:25.42 | jim | that way at least you won't miss one and have to rebuild again :P |
| 03:25.51 | sbk | it might be slightly less ugly than discarding output :-) |
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| 03:26.11 | nny | hmm.... |
| 03:26.15 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: molest test |
| 03:26.15 | ravenbird | bugger all, i dunno, FieldySnuts |
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| 03:26.46 | jim | I mean, I dunno at all what usb thingy you got, so might as well build everything to save everyone's time |
| 03:26.58 | Roadrunne | sbk: i solved it with wget ... | tee -a file.log |
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| 03:27.12 | chealer | jim: hum, all modules in modconf? seems to be a bunch |
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| 03:27.44 | sbk | Roadrunne: *nod* yes, I know. oh well, never mind me. This is like a bad itch i need to scratch :-) |
| 03:27.51 | chealer | jim: canon powershot A85 digital camera |
| 03:27.52 | FieldySnuts | @fuck #channels that close and redirect to ##channels |
| 03:27.53 | jim | if you think you have all the usb stuff already, then just start watching the appropriate log file, and plug something in |
| 03:27.58 | FieldySnuts | like #slackware |
| 03:28.17 | Roadrunne | sbk: :-) |
| 03:28.19 | chealer | jim: I don't know if I have all the appropriate stuff, how to check? |
| 03:28.21 | cg0def | how can I tell what rc level I am currently running in? |
| 03:28.26 | jim | FieldySnuts: talk to lilo :P his idea :P |
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| 03:28.33 | shaftfm | ehy doews anyone no why a "read(fd, blah)" would return a "-1" for a serial port fd? |
| 03:28.36 | shaftfm | please help |
| 03:28.37 | chealer | jim: do you mean I'm heading for a kernel recompile? |
| 03:28.39 | jim | if you think you have all the usb stuff already, then just start watching the appropriate log file, and plug something in |
| 03:28.48 | primitive | hi all |
| 03:28.56 | chealer | jim: but I have no clue if I do |
| 03:29.00 | shaftfm | who knows serial programmaing |
| 03:29.07 | jim | chealer: you can try it the way it is now |
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| 03:29.24 | jim | shaftfm: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 03:29.32 | shaftfm | whats that? |
| 03:29.39 | nny | ok |
| 03:29.45 | jim | something you should do before asking more questions :) |
| 03:29.51 | nny | i still cant acces my data with konqueror |
| 03:30.08 | FieldySnuts | what does "mount" list it as (full line) |
| 03:30.13 | jim | ahh, dist-upgrade download complete :) |
| 03:30.23 | chealer | jim: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 5 |
| 03:30.23 | chealer | usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 5 |
| 03:30.29 | jim | now... do I torture myself now or later :) |
| 03:30.29 | shaftfm | what just happened? |
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| 03:30.49 | chealer | nny: are you sure you can access in console as your user and not in konq? |
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| 03:30.57 | jim | shaftfm: probably, dpkg, a bot, sent you a priv message |
| 03:31.07 | wolviee | caphuso, Got it. Thanks for your patience. |
| 03:31.08 | subopt | I used xfontsel to pick out a font to try in rxvt (ibm-courier-medium-i-normal--17-120-100-100-m-0-adobe-standard), but rxvt chokes on it, saying it can't open the font. What am i doing wrong? |
| 03:31.10 | jim | read it :) |
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| 03:31.20 | shaftfm | read what? |
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| 03:31.30 | shaftfm | u r confusing the wholy hell out of me |
| 03:31.40 | FieldySnuts | as are you with "u" and "r" |
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| 03:31.46 | jim | ok, in that case... /help newuser |
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| 03:31.54 | nny | no |
| 03:31.54 | roue | hi folks |
| 03:31.55 | shaftfm | ah ok |
| 03:31.57 | shaftfm | nevmd |
| 03:31.59 | shaftfm | i got it |
| 03:32.09 | nny | i can't aces if i try it not as root |
| 03:32.15 | Marvelous_Things | !bite me |
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| 03:32.28 | chealer | nny: better describe your problem that way then |
| 03:32.32 | nny | and I modified fstab, and tryed to do chmod 440 /mnt/hda |
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| 03:33.00 | chealer | nny: you can't chmod that way, it's the mount options that care -> man mount |
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| 03:33.06 | jim | shaftfm: so,,, ask a question that actually has information in it :) |
| 03:33.13 | nny | yeah |
| 03:33.13 | abrotman | jim: too hard |
| 03:33.25 | nny | I readed the man mount but... |
| 03:33.35 | shaftfm | yea but then it would be too long |
| 03:33.37 | nny | I have to modify the fstab in wich way? |
| 03:33.40 | roue | my new sarge system asks for 'root password for maintenance' just before INIT: runlevel 2 for under a newly compiled 2.6.10 kernel. Under the default 2.6.8 there's no prompt. I have no idea why. Looked at the runlevels, can't see where it's coming up. Can anyone help? |
| 03:33.41 | chealer | jim: so what do you think about the dmesg output? |
| 03:33.41 | WiFiTux | what is the word to use when you were attacked by someone and feel bad about it. Heart Feeling? |
| 03:33.56 | nny | and when I mount wich options I have to put so I can read with any usr? |
| 03:34.00 | jim | shaftfm: that's no problem... post your question on a web page and tell us where to look :) |
| 03:34.10 | shaftfm | good deal |
| 03:34.13 | shaftfm | i'll seeya |
| 03:34.16 | chealer | nny: the mount part. try to find the good option by mounting manually first, then when you found write them to fstab |
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| 03:35.19 | ledestin | roue: usually that means something went wrong with fsck and you need to run it manyally |
| 03:35.24 | cycom | Hail Theoden, King! |
| 03:35.35 | Theoden | hi |
| 03:35.40 | cycom | hehe. hi. |
| 03:35.40 | nny | mount - t ntfs umask=440 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda ???????????? |
| 03:35.43 | jim | shaftfm: if you do that, then you can put code snippets, other urls you're looking at, how you want to start, what you want to get, what you did so far, what result you got each time you did something, what you need now, you know, information :) |
| 03:35.48 | sussudio | !aolify nny |
| 03:35.52 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 03:35.57 | roue | thanks ledestin. my root filesystem is reiserfs. I booted from knoppix and ran fsck.reiserfs and it came up clean. |
| 03:35.57 | FieldySnuts | @enjoyaolify sussudio |
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| 03:37.43 | chealer | jim: any idea for USB? |
| 03:38.02 | jim | chealer: what does log say when you plug something in? |
| 03:38.10 | chealer | jim: see above |
| 03:38.16 | nny | hey |
| 03:38.44 | nny | is this the command line I have to use mount - t ntfs umask=440 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda ??? |
| 03:38.45 | hazzern | chealer u goto mount it as a scsi device |
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| 03:39.05 | roue | the last thing run in my /etc/rcS.d is S70xfree86-common, which seems to run fine. then the system throws the root maint error. if I hit control-D runlevel 2 starts and everything looks fine. |
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| 03:39.16 | nyktovus | i'm getting an error "invalid encoder executable" in grip.. anyone help? |
| 03:39.24 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 03:39.27 | brynjarh | How do I change the permission, with the command line, on a directory and all directories that are in that directory (and all directories in those directories, etc..) to drwxr-xr-x without changing the permission on the actual files that are in the directories? |
| 03:39.28 | jim | chealer: so that was you plugging something in and then pulling the plug? |
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| 03:39.51 | nullvoid | I am getting error in my mailq saying : said: 451 Temporary local problem - please try later (in reply to RCPT TO command) <----- what is the problem and how do I fix this |
| 03:39.55 | ledestin | brynjarh: fine -type d -exec chmod.... |
| 03:39.56 | sparr | sarge-i386-netinst.iso 2005-01-12 <--- out of date? |
| 03:40.21 | jim | nullvoid: try pasting message into google |
| 03:40.21 | ledestin | brynjarh: fine -type d -exec chmod mode '{}' \; |
| 03:40.30 | nullvoid | jim: done but no luck |
| 03:40.34 | nny | please help |
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| 03:40.38 | nny | ¬¬ |
| 03:40.46 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate nny |
| 03:40.48 | ravenbird | !irritate nny |
| 03:40.49 | dpkg | nny: HELP ME!!! who uses sound !!!1 |
| 03:40.54 | chealer | jim: DOH! |
| 03:41.02 | jim | what? :) |
| 03:41.18 | chealer | !aolify usbn00b |
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| 03:41.55 | chealer | jim: for some reason I kind of turned it off...hum, it's working now :) |
| 03:42.01 | jim | chealer: you could use dmesg... but you can also actually watch a logfile scroll by |
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| 03:42.22 | jim | it's working? well still, it's useful for you to understand how to watch a log... so: |
| 03:42.24 | chealer | yeah? tail it or what? |
| 03:42.26 | jim | log in as root |
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| 03:42.43 | jim | well, right, tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 03:42.52 | jim | or /var/log/syslog |
| 03:42.54 | chealer | haha, pictures...color pictures :) |
| 03:43.01 | jim | or /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 03:43.20 | chealer | ok that's overkill for a n00b like me |
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| 03:43.38 | SomnambulantDead | ahhh... ubuntu raped my MBR |
| 03:43.55 | jim | d04d... yu3 k4n doo 4t |
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| 03:44.23 | jim | just try and look at it when you plug in the usb thing and pull it out |
| 03:44.39 | jim | and find out which file gives you the most spewage |
| 03:44.57 | chealer | spewage? |
| 03:44.59 | jim | and look at the spewage |
| 03:45.04 | sussudio | SomnambulantDead: that's nice. now go to #ubuntu. |
| 03:45.04 | jim | see how it says things |
| 03:45.11 | nyktovus | i'm getting an error "invalid encoder executable" in grip.. anyone help? |
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| 03:45.34 | hhstnoc | nyktovus: what encoder do you have it set to use? |
| 03:45.44 | sussudio | nyktovus: this is #debian, ask help for ubuntu in #ubuntu |
| 03:45.46 | SomnambulantDead | anyone know how to fix a bad MBR when fixMBR and fixboot do NOTHING |
| 03:45.52 | sussudio | now all you ubuntards bugger off. |
| 03:45.54 | chealer | jim: I don't understand what you want me to try, but my problem is fixed now (now on to that gtkam crash :) ) |
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| 03:46.09 | SomnambulantDead | well... now i'm on knoppix... |
| 03:46.15 | sussudio | !fuck SomnambulantDead |
| 03:46.18 | hhstnoc | ubuntards! thats cute. |
| 03:46.30 | jim | chealer: I want you to try watching these logs while you pull and plug the usb thing |
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| 03:46.37 | MobyTurbo | !knoppix |
| 03:46.37 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
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| 03:46.52 | jim | then I want you to try interpreting as much of what the logs are saying as you can |
| 03:46.56 | chealer | jim: but what means spewage? |
| 03:47.00 | nullvoid | said: 451 Temporary local problem - please try later (in reply to RCPT TO command) <--- which one have problem my server or the receip. sever? |
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| 03:47.23 | jim | the log output when the system decides to log a lot of stuff at once... |
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| 03:48.40 | nvz | dont upgrade firefux |
| 03:48.43 | nvz | looks bad |
| 03:48.44 | sussudio | !do jim |
| 03:48.46 | chealer | jim: none of those 2 files grow much anyway |
| 03:49.02 | zeeble | nvz: what's wrong with firefox? |
| 03:49.02 | FieldySnuts | nice, another factoid screwed up |
| 03:49.07 | jim | chealer: look at other files in there |
| 03:49.07 | nvz | damn thing crashed once, now its just locked up tight looks like |
| 03:49.17 | travisat | your asshole? |
| 03:49.19 | zeeble | nvz: in unstable? |
| 03:49.27 | FieldySnuts | probably user error |
| 03:49.29 | chealer | jim: I don't understand though, why should some file output lots of stuff? |
| 03:49.29 | nvz | zeeble: no I am using testing |
| 03:49.36 | zeeble | nvz: oh ok. |
| 03:49.37 | sussudio | !pebcam |
| 03:49.37 | dpkg | Problem exists between Canada and Mexico.. See pebmac |
| 03:49.48 | nvz | heh |
| 03:49.48 | jim | note, to -watch- a log file as it grows, tail -f <thatfile> or less +F <thatfile> |
| 03:49.55 | jim | bye for awhile |
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| 03:49.58 | WiFiTux | !pebmac |
| 03:49.58 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Mexico And Canada, or see pebcam. Problem Exists Between Mercury And Ceres |
| 03:50.02 | chealer | nvz: what version, particularly? |
| 03:50.09 | nvz | hmm lets see |
| 03:50.17 | nvz | dpkg -l mozilla-firefox |
| 03:50.18 | dpkg | ii mozilla-firefox 3.9-5.3 nvz's private stamp collection |
| 03:50.19 | nvz | er |
| 03:50.19 | FieldySnuts | @blaireau jim |
| 03:50.22 | ravenbird | jim: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 03:50.23 | nvz | heh |
| 03:50.37 | sussudio | !boeni FieldySnuts |
| 03:50.38 | nvz | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 03:50.38 | nvz | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 03:50.38 | nvz | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 03:50.38 | nvz | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 03:50.38 | nvz | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
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| 03:50.38 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Madarch Madarch Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Neidr O 'i S Neidr! |
| 03:50.45 | FieldySnuts | keek |
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| 03:50.57 | nvz | I should have my / key removed for being an idiot |
| 03:50.59 | hazzern | use that pastebin |
| 03:51.09 | nvz | I needed a grep in there |
| 03:51.14 | nvz | yeah I am using irssi |
| 03:51.28 | sussudio | nvz: umm isn't irssi supposed to prevent you from doing stupid things like that? |
| 03:51.44 | sussudio | You're about to paste 6 lines, are you sure? y/n |
| 03:51.45 | nvz | sussudio: heh it lets you /exec -o just about anything you want |
| 03:52.06 | chealer | 1.0+dfsg.1-2 works fine for me |
| 03:52.17 | nvz | first time I forgot the /exec -o, 2nd time I forgot the pipe into grep |
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| 03:53.13 | chealer | hehe, irssi talks are very intriguing for a gaim user like me |
| 03:53.44 | zeeble | lostIRC :p |
| 03:53.45 | nvz | gaim is an interesting concept, though its one shitty irc client |
| 03:53.47 | sussudio | gamp user? |
| 03:53.52 | nvz | heh |
| 03:53.53 | travisat | is irssi or bitchx better? |
| 03:54.01 | zeeble | travisat: irssi with third eye |
| 03:54.04 | FieldySnuts | up to you |
| 03:54.09 | travisat | hmm |
| 03:54.12 | chealer | nvz: indeed |
| 03:54.16 | Spark | rssi is |
| 03:54.18 | Spark | irssi is |
| 03:54.32 | nvz | oh well I guess I will have to kill firefux |
| 03:54.46 | Spark | i could say "in my opinion" but thats a given since its an opinion, and im saying it :) |
| 03:55.08 | chealer | nvz: but what version you have? |
| 03:55.17 | nvz | opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one but nobody wants to hear it |
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| 03:55.40 | LinuxFreek | hey guys/girls |
| 03:55.50 | hazzern | yes :) |
| 03:55.54 | nvz | ii mozilla-firefo 1.0+dfsg.1-2 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
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| 03:56.15 | Dirty | hello |
| 03:56.42 | LinuxFreek | in a noob to debian not linux, how do u build a debian file |
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| 03:56.57 | Dirty | I need some help really quick if someone have the time to help |
| 03:56.59 | chealer | nvz: I'm using it with no particular instability. it crashed about 3 times since 1.0 |
| 03:57.00 | Dirty | it is with java |
| 03:57.26 | chealer | LinuxFreek: a debian package ? |
| 03:57.35 | LinuxFreek | yes a .deb file |
| 03:57.52 | chealer | there must be some clues in the apt howto |
| 03:57.56 | nvz | chealer: well its been acting up for me.. and its crashed cold turkey several times, and now its locked up |
| 03:58.27 | chealer | nvz: probably your profile. tried to access some pr0n sites? ;) |
| 03:58.35 | nvz | chealer: not that I know of |
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| 03:59.23 | nvz | chealer: its a pretty fresh install... and I rarely visit pr0n sites. I barely use the web at all other than for reference |
| 03:59.51 | chealer | nvz: I was just joking about pr0n sites being potentially problematic. I do bad jokes often too |
| 04:00.00 | nvz | I know what you mean. |
| 04:00.22 | nvz | I also consider it a possiblity if I had been to them |
| 04:00.30 | ledestin | LinuxFreek: New Maintainer's Guide |
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| 04:00.43 | nvz | the way some pr0n sites are you may not even know you been there |
| 04:00.51 | zeeble | travisat: irssi? |
| 04:00.52 | LinuxFreek | k |
| 04:00.58 | travisat | yep |
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| 04:01.14 | nvz | happens more often in windows, where the popups fly like crasy and you are rushing to close em all |
| 04:01.19 | Dirty | lol |
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| 04:01.30 | nvz | but firefox has sent me to random sites before |
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| 04:01.42 | nvz | I used to get this one all the time that was like just a blank red page |
| 04:01.43 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: What are you trying to do? |
| 04:01.47 | Xenguy | travisat: congrats |
| 04:01.53 | LinuxFreek | build the kernel sourcwe |
| 04:02.10 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 04:02.52 | hazzern | man i thought he wanted to build a pacakge :D |
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| 04:02.58 | LinuxFreek | build a .deb file to i can install the kernel source, from the dvd, so i can install madwifi and nvidia |
| 04:03.12 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: Uhm |
| 04:03.13 | Mik0 | How often does a 'fuser' go out on laser printers? |
| 04:03.23 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: That didn't make much sense. |
| 04:03.29 | LinuxFreek | y not? |
| 04:03.33 | travisat | LinuxFreek: kernel-package |
| 04:03.41 | LinuxFreek | kernel-source |
| 04:03.42 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: If you want to use nVidia, you don't need kernel source. |
| 04:03.50 | hazzern | hes trying to build support nvidia and madwifi into the kernel |
| 04:03.52 | LinuxFreek | it says it needs them |
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| 04:03.57 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: Are you trying to build a kernel-image .deb from a kernel-source package? |
| 04:04.02 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 04:04.11 | LinuxFreek | im trying to install it |
| 04:04.16 | PerfDave | Trying to install what? |
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| 04:04.34 | PerfDave | Be more specific and try to use correct English, please. If we don't know what you're trying to do, we can't help you. |
| 04:04.50 | LinuxFreek | k |
| 04:04.57 | nvz | yeah ever since I found freenode I spend much more time here than on the web |
| 04:05.08 | hazzern | LinuxFreek are you trying to install something ? |
| 04:05.12 | LinuxFreek | i want to install kernel-source from the cd |
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| 04:05.38 | hazzern | LinuxFreek whats the purpose behind that |
| 04:05.56 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: So isntall it. |
| 04:05.57 | LinuxFreek | so i can install madwifi |
| 04:06.03 | LinuxFreek | HOW? |
| 04:06.07 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: apt-get install kernel-source-whatever |
| 04:06.15 | PerfDave | !faq LinuxFreek |
| 04:06.16 | dpkg | LinuxFreek: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 04:06.16 | LinuxFreek | no innernet |
| 04:06.18 | nvz | and ever since I found screen and irssi, freenode kinda became a part of everyday life.. heh |
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| 04:06.34 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: Why do you need the Internet to install something from the CD? |
| 04:06.41 | calyth | Quick question: I have a usb scanner that sane has recognized, but I can only access as root. I'm running 2.6.8, so it isn't using a kernel module for that (I don't think so anyways). It gives me something like plustek:libusb:002:004 for the scanner, but i can't find a matching device in /dev, so how am I suppose to allow users access? |
| 04:06.44 | zeeble | LinuxFreek: does the CD contrain the kernel source as a .deb? or as tar.gz? |
| 04:06.52 | LinuxFreek | so i can do an apt-get and use the insternet |
| 04:06.57 | LinuxFreek | .deb |
| 04:07.10 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: apt-get can install stuff off CDs too |
| 04:07.12 | zeeble | LinuxFreek: dpkg -i file.deb that will install the stuff |
| 04:07.19 | LinuxFreek | ok thanks |
| 04:07.23 | PerfDave | LinuxFreek: Are you actually using Debian? It should have set up your CD for you during install. |
| 04:07.35 | zeeble | LinuxFreek: also, type apt-setup. that will allow you to use multiple sources, CD, http/ftp/etc etc |
| 04:07.37 | LinuxFreek | yes i am |
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| 04:08.01 | LinuxFreek | its not in /usr/src |
| 04:08.14 | zeeble | well, that's because you chose NOT to install it. |
| 04:08.29 | zeeble | now you want to install it, say apt-get install <packagename> and it will install |
| 04:08.34 | hazzern | does anyone know a working and upto date source for jidigo to download from ? |
| 04:08.39 | LinuxFreek | k thanks |
| 04:08.44 | hazzern | i cant used ftp mirrors |
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| 04:09.21 | hazzern | has anyone even used jidigo ?? |
| 04:09.25 | LinuxFreek | i have |
| 04:09.31 | hazzern | cool :) |
| 04:09.39 | hazzern | which mirror did you use |
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| 04:09.57 | LinuxFreek | ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
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| 04:10.25 | hazzern | cant use ftp |
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| 04:10.32 | LinuxFreek | hum |
| 04:10.34 | hazzern | do you know of any http ? |
| 04:11.06 | LinuxFreek | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 04:11.19 | hazzern | that will redirect to ftp |
| 04:11.21 | LinuxFreek | http://ftp.XY.debian.org/debian/, where XY is the two-letter code for your country (for example, us, de, uk. See the current list of available ftp.XY.debian.org locations.) |
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| 04:11.40 | Dirty | is there a apt command to list all avalible packages |
| 04:11.45 | LinuxFreek | well to install kernel source |
| 04:11.45 | greengo | hello can anyone please let me know if this is working |
| 04:11.53 | chealer | hazzern: what's wrong with http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/ ? |
| 04:12.22 | greengo | if anybody sees thsi message please type in yes,, pretty please |
| 04:12.26 | Dirty | i see it |
| 04:12.29 | greengo | thanks |
| 04:12.34 | sussudio | greengo: foad |
| 04:12.35 | Dirty | anytime |
| 04:12.37 | secher | abrotman: LinuxFreek: Wireless Distribution System (WDS) and 3COM solved it... They seem to be the leaders in WDS hardware currently. FYI. |
| 04:12.43 | GueVolt | Why no have the Xorg on the repository of debian(sarge)? |
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| 04:12.48 | gravity | Hey, he actually foad'ed! |
| 04:12.50 | sussudio | !irritate Guerin |
| 04:12.51 | dpkg | Guerin: hi every1 how does I run teh mouse !!!! |
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| 04:12.59 | euth__ | Dirty: grep ^Package: /var/lib/apt/lists/*.Packages |
| 04:13.04 | Dirty | k |
| 04:13.05 | Dirty | thx |
| 04:13.07 | sussudio | s/Guerin/GueVolt/ |
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| 04:13.19 | hazzern | i've got the .templete off that server |
| 04:13.23 | hazzern | nothings wrong with it |
| 04:13.26 | sussudio | !topicbadger GueVolt |
| 04:13.27 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that GueVolt didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 04:13.30 | cg0def | does anyone know why rcconf does not show all the scripts from /etc/init.d? |
| 04:13.38 | GueVolt | sorry |
| 04:13.39 | GueVolt | hehe |
| 04:13.49 | sussudio | !rcconf |
| 04:13.49 | dpkg | somebody said rcconf was a frontend to the update-rc.d |
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| 04:15.33 | cg0def | rcconf is a front end or update-rc.d ? I don't think so |
| 04:16.02 | hazzern | if the download breaks do i have to rescan the cd in jidigo or can i simply rescan the iso.tmp that was built by jidigo on my hard drive |
| 04:16.03 | cg0def | for one update-rc.d says that udev is already added and rcconf does not even show udev as being there |
| 04:16.12 | hazzern | i'm doing this through win :D |
| 04:16.31 | GueVolt | sussudio: Thanks! |
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| 04:17.17 | cg0def | anyway is single user mode root user and nothing else? |
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| 04:17.37 | hazzern | yup u cant run X under it as far as i know :D |
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| 04:17.45 | sussudio | cg0def: badger |
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| 04:17.59 | cg0def | you can run X I am in it right now |
| 04:18.03 | chealer | hazzern: do you need to set up multiple stations? |
| 04:18.14 | cg0def | so how do I set up debian to run in multiuser mode |
| 04:18.16 | hazzern | chealer just one :) |
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| 04:18.26 | hazzern | for the moment |
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| 04:18.32 | chealer | hazzern: are you sure the netinst isn't simpler? |
| 04:18.52 | hazzern | i'll be burning cds for others in Pakistan |
| 04:19.01 | hazzern | we cant afford to download so much |
| 04:19.02 | chealer | although I spent myself considerable time playing with jigdo |
| 04:19.10 | chealer | ok :) |
| 04:19.37 | hazzern | so if this works we will have 3r4 or others will have to suffer because of me :( |
| 04:20.42 | cg0def | sussudio: how do you setup the rc level in debian? |
| 04:20.59 | hazzern | i just hope this works then i move stuff from my system to a system with more bandwith |
| 04:20.59 | hazzern | :D |
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| 04:21.12 | hazzern | like 13/kps |
| 04:21.46 | zeeble | 13kbps? or kBps? |
| 04:21.56 | PerfDave | Why do people feel the need to dick around with runlevels and suchlike? |
| 04:22.06 | Roadrunne | Can someone give me a regexp for "John Doe (test) - Jimmy Smiley (test2) - Mr. Jungle (test3) - ...)"? my current regexp is not working correct... |
| 04:22.23 | cg0def | cause my system is runnig in single user mode I didn't set this crap up |
| 04:22.44 | MobyTurbo | PerfDave: AT&T switches had 5 run-levels, so so had to have AT&T Unix. |
| 04:22.53 | hazzern | zeeble KB :) |
| 04:22.55 | zeeble | heh |
| 04:23.04 | PerfDave | MobyTurbo: Thank you for that completely irrelevant information. |
| 04:23.08 | Eagle101 | help. when i compile using cvs. i can run make -f Makefile.cvs under kdelibs directory, but it wont let me run make -f Makefile.cvs under arts nor kdesupport..why? |
| 04:23.22 | MobyTurbo | PerfDave: you're quite welcome |
| 04:23.24 | zeeble | hazzern: where in .pk are you? set up a local mirror, so you can download images once/month or something. for unstable. |
| 04:23.29 | MobyTurbo | !win PerfDave |
| 04:23.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, PerfDave! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 04:23.36 | chealer | hazzern: at least you don't pay for DSL and get under 100 kBps |
| 04:23.55 | Xenguy | Roadrunne: no, you lazy ass ;-) |
| 04:23.59 | greengo | Testing |
| 04:24.01 | PerfDave | Gah, can I have a *valuable* prize? ;) |
| 04:24.10 | MobyTurbo | !win PerfDave |
| 04:24.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, PerfDave! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 04:24.13 | chealer | Eagle101: there's a #debian-kde |
| 04:24.18 | hazzern | zeeble in karachi |
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| 04:24.20 | PerfDave | Eagle101: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 04:24.36 | hazzern | chealer i pay 700 pk rs for 2 kb :D |
| 04:24.41 | hazzern | now how lames that |
| 04:24.44 | abrotman | secher: all that searching? |
| 04:24.50 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: What sort of regexp? What do you want to match? What do you want not to match? There should be a #regexp |
| 04:24.57 | hazzern | zeeble i dont know how thats done |
| 04:25.05 | chealer | hazzern: hum, you'd have to talk in € :) |
| 04:25.08 | secher | abrotman: Paid off.. did you read my post? |
| 04:25.17 | zeeble | chealer: that would be 10 pounds |
| 04:25.36 | abrotman | secher: just the one that mentioned me |
| 04:25.39 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: i want to split the Names and the strings in brackets into a array in php. |
| 04:26.21 | hazzern | € whats this :D |
| 04:26.26 | chealer | zeeble: pounds, eh, I'm canadian, not english. anyway, living in Pakistan is probably a good reason to complain about pretty much anything |
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| 04:26.41 | chealer | hazzern: eurosign |
| 04:26.41 | hazzern | chealer naa thats not it |
| 04:26.45 | hazzern | i'm learning |
| 04:26.45 | zeeble | hazzern: i thought the CDs were available in karachi |
| 04:26.56 | zeeble | chealer: that's about 10 euros too |
| 04:26.57 | hazzern | nope they arent zeeble |
| 04:26.59 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: there's no #regexp :-) |
| 04:27.07 | siva | hi does anyone use xchat? |
| 04:27.18 | PerfDave | There is a regexp channel on Freenode, can't remember what it's called. Try #regexps or #regex or something. |
| 04:27.20 | drac | !anyone |
| 04:27.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 04:27.23 | zeeble | hazzern: oh ok. |
| 04:27.28 | PerfDave | m/^#reg/ ;) |
| 04:27.34 | zeeble | heh |
| 04:27.36 | chealer | siva: there's a #xchat though |
| 04:27.36 | hazzern | at least not yet |
| 04:27.41 | hazzern | they say that they are comming |
| 04:27.44 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: Sorry, I have no idea about PHP regexes |
| 04:27.52 | lawnchair | im trying to apply a patch to a debian package....after i apt-get source pkgname , what exactly would i do next to apply this patch and then rebuild the debian package? |
| 04:28.03 | zeeble | hazzern: oh ok. but... jigdo is a pretty lame way to download an iso on low bandwidth |
| 04:28.06 | secher | abrotman: 3com has a line of hardware "OfficeConnect" that all plays nicely together, and provides WDS amongst them. There's even some with Power over Ethernet if you buy the adapter, so you can use WDS if no jack, or no outlet if there is a jack. I'll be inpressed when they need no jack and no outlet. :) |
| 04:28.06 | PerfDave | lawnchair: Read the APT HOWTO |
| 04:28.08 | hazzern | chealer which mirror do you use |
| 04:28.16 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: no prob, so i have to try more possibilities |
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| 04:28.22 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: Ask #php ? |
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| 04:28.29 | chealer | hazzern: us I think |
| 04:28.30 | abrotman | secher: funny .. i heard they sucked .. but i suspect you'll read reviews etc |
| 04:28.41 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: might be a solution. thx. :-) |
| 04:28.49 | hazzern | zeeble i'm trying to learn at first maybe one of my university friends can get it downloaded there |
| 04:28.50 | lawnchair | PerfDave, i see how to create hte package.... |
| 04:28.52 | lawnchair | but im not quite sure |
| 04:29.00 | lawnchair | where to apply the patch |
| 04:29.07 | PerfDave | lawnchair: Read the documentation on the patch? |
| 04:29.07 | lawnchair | err what to extract i guess |
| 04:29.08 | hazzern | or maybe we can use different universities to help us get a complete image |
| 04:29.12 | zeeble | hazzern: aha. just download the CDs. much more fun. easier. |
| 04:29.13 | lawnchair | no thatsn ot hte issue |
| 04:29.14 | lawnchair | heh |
| 04:29.16 | lawnchair | i know how to patch it |
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| 04:29.17 | secher | already en route there, due diligence and all that.... |
| 04:29.23 | lawnchair | its not a debian patch purse |
| 04:29.25 | hazzern | zeeble 700mb isnt a joke here |
| 04:29.26 | zeeble | hazzern: or download the DVD |
| 04:29.29 | hazzern | would take a long time |
| 04:29.34 | secher | apt, dict diligence |
| 04:29.40 | lawnchair | when i apt-get source pkg |
| 04:29.52 | lawnchair | theres just pkg.orig.tar.gz and diff.gz |
| 04:29.53 | abrotman | secher: yeah .. that :) |
| 04:30.00 | lawnchair | bah forget it |
| 04:30.02 | secher | looked like I'd spelled it wrong, so I asked apt. |
| 04:30.03 | lawnchair | you obviously don twanna hlep |
| 04:30.08 | lawnchair | and just tell me to read the docs anyway |
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| 04:31.02 | hazzern | i'm having a good feeling that i'm not getting anything out of here |
| 04:31.12 | hazzern | :) to the search engines it is then |
| 04:31.18 | chealer | I just found why I looked so n00b about my USB camera, I had to be root so that gtkam could detect the camera |
| 04:31.24 | chealer | is that normal? |
| 04:31.41 | N|Tr0 | I've mounted an ntfs partition that's got all my music on (lovely) How do i change the permissions so i can listen to my music with xmms? |
| 04:31.54 | PerfDave | N|Tr0: man mount |
| 04:31.56 | sparr | sarge-i386-netinst.iso 2005-01-12 <--- out of date? |
| 04:32.08 | ChrysalisM | Anyone here got mount's ufstype=44bsd option working read-write with 2.4 kernels |
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| 04:32.13 | Eagle101 | help. when i compile using cvs. i can run make -f Makefile.cvs under kdelibs directory, but it wont let me run make -f Makefile.cvs under arts nor kdesupport..why? |
| 04:32.14 | PerfDave | chealer: You probably need to add your user to a group such as video, check the permissions on the device node? |
| 04:32.29 | hazzern | chealer which directory do i have to set it upto in the mirrors list ? |
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| 04:32.37 | chealer | PerfDave: I tried to find the device node, what could it be? |
| 04:32.38 | secher | apt nickometer N|Tr0 |
| 04:32.38 | apt | 'N|Tr0' is 98.330% lame, secher |
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| 04:32.49 | secher | :) |
| 04:32.50 | Glitch_Master | 'hoy. |
| 04:32.58 | chealer | nice score |
| 04:33.02 | N|Tr0 | i do try |
| 04:33.05 | common | apt nickometer common |
| 04:33.05 | apt | 'common' is 0.000% lame, common |
| 04:33.06 | PerfDave | chealer: No idea. Did you try adding yourself to the group? |
| 04:33.09 | Glitch_Master | I know this isn't the channel for perl scripting... but... perhaps I can do this with a batch script instead: |
| 04:33.10 | zeeble | sparr: not out of date. its like 2 weeks dammit. and its only a netinstall image |
| 04:33.17 | Glitch_Master | Well.. |
| 04:33.26 | PerfDave | chealer: Try reading dmesg or /var/log/messages output when you plug in the camera. |
| 04:33.32 | PerfDave | Glitch_Master: #bash ;p |
| 04:33.36 | Glitch_Master | Oh. |
| 04:33.39 | Glitch_Master | Thanks. :P |
| 04:33.42 | zeeble | sparr: you could go in for a daily build image then. ask in #d-i |
| 04:34.07 | common | apt nickometer Eagle101 |
| 04:34.07 | apt | 'Eagle101' is 56.000% lame, common |
| 04:34.11 | chealer | PerfDave: the group would be "camera"? |
| 04:34.15 | common | i love this feature |
| 04:34.27 | sparr | trying to clear out enough space on this drive to image my old gentoo drive |
| 04:34.34 | hazzern | i think its working :D |
| 04:34.35 | sparr | then i can wipe the gentoo drive and install debian |
| 04:34.37 | hazzern | so happy :D |
| 04:34.42 | secher | Is there anything not to love about Apt? I'd marry her if she'd have me. |
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| 04:34.47 | zeeble | hazzern: what speeds are you getting? |
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| 04:34.55 | hazzern | 5 k :D |
| 04:34.56 | hazzern | hehehehe |
| 04:35.05 | Eagle101 | common: hehehehhe |
| 04:35.08 | chealer | PerfDave: the output on /var/log/messages is Jan 31 23:30:51 leo kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 9 |
| 04:35.25 | common | chealer: got scsi support in kernel? |
| 04:35.30 | zeeble | hazzern: sucks. |
| 04:35.31 | secher | Speaks when spoken to, gives consise answers, and has one hell of a pipeline.... |
| 04:35.54 | Eagle101 | come on, someone help me please! when i compile using cvs. i can run make -f Makefile.cvs under kdelibs directory, but it wont let me run make -f Makefile.cvs under arts nor kdesupport..why? |
| 04:35.55 | hazzern | any idea how much it will need to download to update a 3r2 to 3r4 ? |
| 04:36.03 | zeeble | hazzern: get on the linux-india mailing list and have someone mail it to you. |
| 04:36.03 | common | secher: is apt married yet? |
| 04:36.06 | PerfDave | chealer: Hmm, that's not mentioning a device node. Is tehre nothing else? |
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| 04:36.20 | secher | (I'm a card carrying member of NOW, in case you took that as anything but a jest.... ) |
| 04:36.23 | hazzern | zeeble dont have money i'm a student |
| 04:36.31 | chealer | common: no idea...but I fear to play with SCSI stuff (that word just scares me) |
| 04:36.32 | secher | common: dunno.. |
| 04:36.36 | PerfDave | Eagle101: It would be helpful if you explained what you're trying to do, why, and what errors you get. |
| 04:36.37 | secher | apt, are you married? |
| 04:36.39 | zeeble | hazzern: it will be sent free.. there are a few peeps who do that. |
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| 04:36.45 | hazzern | wow :D |
| 04:36.47 | hazzern | thanks :) |
| 04:37.00 | zeeble | hazzern: especially, if you are going to use it for educatioanl purposes. |
| 04:37.00 | chealer | common: I have a stock sarge 2.6 i386 kernel but you can tell me what to do to find about scsi |
| 04:37.15 | common | apt google linux usb mass storage scsi |
| 04:37.21 | hazzern | i never knew there are such peeps in India |
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| 04:37.30 | hernan | Hi, I'm thinking of installing Sid on my laptop just to play around with the latest stuff. What are your opinions? Is it a good laptop OS? |
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| 04:37.35 | common | k, i will look it up from my bookmarks |
| 04:37.41 | zeeble | hernan: yeah. i use it. works fine. |
| 04:37.49 | chealer | PerfDave: not really, I had some lines during the use like Jan 31 23:09:24 leo usb.agent[936]: libgphoto2: loaded successfully |
| 04:37.49 | PerfDave | hernan: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 04:37.50 | common | chealer http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x498.html |
| 04:37.52 | hazzern | https://lists.sourceforge.net/ lists/listinfo/linux-india-general |
| 04:37.54 | hazzern | is this it ? |
| 04:38.14 | zeeble | hazzern: yes. or if you want, /msg me your address. i will send you a set. |
| 04:38.15 | hernan | zeeble: will, by any chance, i be able to find drivers for an MS wifi adapter? |
| 04:38.24 | zeeble | hernan: no idea. |
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| 04:38.40 | hazzern | please msg me the address |
| 04:38.40 | PerfDave | chealer: Fair enough. Well, try the camera or video group first and see if that works. If your camera works as root, then there's nothing wrong with your kernel. |
| 04:38.49 | hazzern | oh sorry :D |
| 04:38.56 | Eagle101 | PerfDave: i am trying to install kde beta 3.4 throught cvs. i got kdebase kdelibs art downloaded...but now when i go to the arts directory, and i type make -f Makefile.cvs, it says "make: Makefile.cvs: No such file or directory |
| 04:38.57 | Eagle101 | make: *** No rule to make target `Makefile.cvs'. Stop." Why? it works fine in kdelibs??? |
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| 04:39.22 | zeeble | is'nt that a qn for #kde? |
| 04:39.27 | chealer | PerfDave: yeah, that sounds better than learning about SCSI *shrug* for now :) |
| 04:39.37 | sanxiyn | Eagle101: Read README? :-) |
| 04:39.44 | zeeble | yeah, that too. |
| 04:39.56 | PerfDave | Eagle101: First up, are you compiling into /usr/local ? |
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| 04:40.24 | Eagle101 | PerfDave: no, into /home/username |
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| 04:40.31 | sanxiyn | Eagle101: Good luck, brave soul. |
| 04:40.32 | nvz | chealer: well after the third lock up I realized it was happening eveytime I would download a file.. I turned off the download manager and the browser not only responds faster even when not d/l but it doesnt seem to crash anymore |
| 04:40.47 | nvz | chealer: just FYI, if you want to try that theory on your problems |
| 04:40.51 | PerfDave | Eagle101: Fair enough. It's not working because there is no Makefile.cvs in the arts directory :) |
| 04:40.54 | octothorp | would debian make a good jukebox/media machine for my livingroom? (tv out card, wireless card, dhcp server, cvs server) |
| 04:41.15 | PerfDave | octothorp: I don't see why not. |
| 04:41.33 | octothorp | i'm liking what i've seen of debian so far: but right now i'm only running it under vmware :) |
| 04:41.33 | chealer | nvz: 3 crashes in 2 monthes isn't really a problem for now...I've been used to IE under Win ME. I'll just wait 1.1 :) |
| 04:41.55 | PerfDave | octothorp: You might want to look at mythtv or freevo for a media box |
| 04:42.10 | sanxiyn | mythtv! |
| 04:42.21 | Eagle101 | PerfDave: so your saying that if i was compiling into /usr/local it would of be working? |
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| 04:42.36 | nvz | chealer: heh, I guess you havent been around long enough.. 1 crash is just unacceptable here if its not immediatly followed by a logical explanation and not disrupting any important task |
| 04:42.40 | octothorp | pvr software? cool. |
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| 04:43.19 | sparr | i used windows. switched to debian when windows broke. switched to gentoo on a whim, missed debian horribly. switched back to windows for a game. windows is broke again, so back to debian i go, hopefully never to return! |
| 04:43.27 | sanxiyn | (Freevo is a collection of all kinds of Python magics...) |
| 04:43.38 | PerfDave | Eagle101: No, I'm not. |
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| 04:43.48 | PerfDave | Eagle101: I'm saying that it's not working because the file isn't there. |
| 04:44.18 | Roadrunne | bye @ll.... |
| 04:44.35 | PerfDave | Eagle101: If you don't know how make works, or how to read its error messages, you might not want to be compiling stuff from CVS. |
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| 04:44.53 | Eagle101 | PerfDave: ok, thanks |
| 04:45.06 | chealer | PerfDave: you definitely spared me some reading about SCSI with that addgroup chealer camera :) |
| 04:45.37 | PerfDave | chealer: If things work as root but not as a user, then it's a permissions problem. |
| 04:45.47 | chealer | PerfDave: it works as both now |
| 04:45.55 | PerfDave | chealer: Cool |
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| 04:48.22 | Inv_arp | just apt-get a newer version of iptables is that the one running in mem... or i have to reboot? |
| 04:48.47 | sanxiyn | Inv_arp: No reboot. |
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| 04:50.03 | AlohaWolf | im having an issue with sarge, im running it on a Ultra 2, and I just did an upgrade last night, and now the keymap seems to be way off.. how do I fix this? |
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| 04:52.12 | zeeble | AlohaWolf: try dpkg-reconfigure console-common or locales or console-data |
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| 04:52.37 | baroni | Hello all. Does anybody knows if there is a way to enable the scroll whell mouse work inside of a vim to scroll pages, but using the mlterm? (in the xterm is possible simple just setting :mouse=a, but is not working in the mlterm) |
| 04:53.19 | Eclipser | did you try #vim? |
| 04:53.27 | sparr | intense uncoolness... i have to back up my ext3 drive before i can wipe it to install debian... but im backing it up onto a NTFS drive :( |
| 04:53.38 | AlohaWolf | zeeble, I think it might be an X issue, because the place im having a problem is in X, GDM starts on its own, and I cant seem to switch to avirtual console |
| 04:53.51 | jasz | sparr, sad.. |
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| 04:55.06 | krumn | hi |
| 04:55.07 | krumn | good mp3 player for console? |
| 04:55.17 | sussudio | !irritate krumn |
| 04:55.18 | dpkg | krumn: HELP ME!!! who uses sound ???/ |
| 04:55.18 | AlohaWolf | mp3blaster |
| 04:55.18 | zeeble | krumn: mp3blaster |
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| 04:55.32 | AlohaWolf | or mpg123 for single files |
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| 04:55.38 | krumn | zeeble: thx |
| 04:55.46 | Eclipser | mpg123 can play multiple files too |
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| 04:55.54 | drac | mpg321 is better. |
| 04:55.55 | baroni | Thanks Eclipser |
| 04:56.03 | Dirty | can anyone help with some resolution problems |
| 04:56.04 | sparr | some day soon im going to have to organize my pre-reformat backups |
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| 04:56.17 | zeeble | yeah, but mp3blaster has a neat menu :p |
| 04:56.21 | sparr | ive got a folder called logs\backup\backup\logs\backup\log2\backup |
| 04:56.26 | zeeble | and i love curses |
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| 04:56.51 | Eclipser | but I still want an mp3 player which supports treeview style multiplaylist |
| 04:56.59 | sparr | console treeview? |
| 04:57.05 | Eclipser | any |
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| 04:57.13 | zeeble | console would be cool |
| 04:57.19 | ml267 | sparr: i need a backup diff program to help me see which stuffs are redundant... |
| 04:57.24 | Eclipser | I might try writing one myself sometime |
| 04:57.29 | sparr | sleep time while i back up |
| 04:57.44 | Eclipser | if I ever find the time |
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| 04:57.59 | ml267 | Eclipser: ditto |
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| 04:58.31 | Dirty | any help on display problems |
| 04:58.50 | Eclipser | Dirty, asking a real question which specifies the problem might help |
| 04:59.01 | Dirty | thx |
| 04:59.27 | Dirty | well in my resoze program it only gives me two options for resolution |
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| 04:59.32 | Dirty | 800x600 |
| 04:59.37 | Dirty | and 640 |
| 04:59.50 | Vyrus001 | ok im trying to ./configure gaim and it is telling me that pkg-config sais i have one version of glib2 and my system sais it has a nother |
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| 05:00.00 | Dirty | but i configed my xf86 right to where it should 1240 |
| 05:00.02 | Dirty | ect |
| 05:00.21 | hazzern | if i want to upgrade my xfree86 what all do i need to download |
| 05:00.22 | Dirty | Vyrus just do apt-get install gaim |
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| 05:00.31 | N|Tr0 | PerfDave, added the partition to fstab so i can mount it but i still can't list anything under my normal user acount. what should i be looking for in the man page? |
| 05:00.32 | xogon | ! tell Dirty about return |
| 05:00.38 | zeeble | hazzern: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:00.53 | hazzern | zeeble under win |
| 05:01.18 | hazzern | i havent been able to config debian to access the net |
| 05:01.30 | hazzern | the admin here uses MS ISA on the server |
| 05:01.35 | zeeble | hazzern: look in the xfree86 website in the binaries dir. |
| 05:01.37 | Eclipser | you probably should resolve the problem first |
| 05:01.39 | zeeble | hazzern: no idea then. |
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| 05:02.27 | hazzern | Eclipser it has something to do with NTLM :) |
| 05:02.47 | hazzern | i was running aps096 under redhat |
| 05:03.00 | hazzern | aps098 sorry |
| 05:03.15 | Zetabyte | perhaps slightly OT, but, any suggestions for a MTA? postfix is a little heavy for my needs (and proving very challenging to configure), but i haven't been impressed with exim. I just want to receive and send emails on a few accounts, nothing heavy. |
| 05:03.37 | Zetabyte | using dovecot for IMAP atm |
| 05:04.41 | PF | Does anyone here know of anyone that has a Voodoo laptop? |
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| 05:05.18 | ml267 | Dirty: are you sure you have the right settings for your monitor refresh capabilities? |
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| 05:05.22 | sussudio | !hurt PF |
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| 05:06.13 | Dirty | yep |
| 05:06.17 | Dirty | according to manual |
| 05:06.23 | Dirty | this is my xf86 config |
| 05:06.26 | Dirty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.26 | Dirty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.26 | Dirty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.33 | Dirty | part of it |
| 05:07.04 | sussudio | !tell Dirty about flood |
| 05:07.15 | hazzern | Dirty use pastebin.com |
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| 05:08.13 | Dirty | ok sorry about flood but any suggestions |
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| 05:08.27 | hazzern | ctrl alt + |
| 05:08.37 | hazzern | ctrl alt - |
| 05:09.03 | hazzern | to change resolutions |
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| 05:09.21 | Dirty | that is the thing kde only gives me two choices |
| 05:09.25 | Dirty | 800x600 |
| 05:10.00 | Dirty | and 640x480 |
| 05:10.06 | xogon | Dirty: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select the resolution you want |
| 05:10.19 | ml267 | Dirty: the mode lines elsewhere in the config file describes the "geometr" of the scans... they have to be compatible with your monit |
| 05:10.35 | Dirty | thank you for your help |
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| 05:11.43 | octothorp | i'm going to replace my windows xp dchp server by installing debian and repartitioning the drive. once i format, i won't be able to get to the internet until i get it working. |
| 05:12.10 | octothorp | the machine in question is the only one with a wireless network card, which is how we get our internet connection |
| 05:12.13 | vircuser | hey I'm about to go install the net disc of Sarge 386, does it come with a partitioner in the isntaller, or do i need to partition prior to install |
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| 05:12.32 | ml267 | octothorp: you've got guts |
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| 05:12.41 | octothorp | vircuser: it'll do partitioning for you |
| 05:12.53 | vircuser | octothorp; it lets me pick where and how much right? |
| 05:12.58 | octothorp | yes |
| 05:13.00 | nullvoid | I will be back |
| 05:13.08 | vircuser | ok cool thanks bud |
| 05:13.11 | octothorp | np :) |
| 05:13.15 | jim | ok... survived the upgrade |
| 05:13.17 | octothorp | therefore i need to get everything i need together before i repartition. |
| 05:13.33 | octothorp | what do i need, other than the netboot disc and drivers for my wireless card? |
| 05:13.49 | jim | therefore you shoudl back up the hard drive before you even think about repartitioning |
| 05:13.59 | octothorp | bah. it's just my dhcp server |
| 05:14.09 | jim | you might need the cd-drivers disk |
| 05:14.10 | octothorp | i don't want to keep anything on there |
| 05:14.19 | jim | is anytning on that disk now/ |
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| 05:14.21 | jim | ? |
| 05:14.52 | octothorp | yeah. a useless version of windows xp that wants to be activated and manages to do dhcp while it's not busy doing mysterious things with its hdd |
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| 05:15.28 | vircuser | lol |
| 05:15.31 | vircuser | souds like my PC |
| 05:15.35 | jim | well, if there is anything on that disk you want to keep... now would be the time to back it up |
| 05:15.40 | guestish | hi |
| 05:15.46 | vircuser | hey |
| 05:15.50 | jim | hee |
| 05:15.50 | octothorp | will i need any special apt packages to use iwconfig? |
| 05:16.16 | ml267 | octothorp: make sure you know you can setup the dhcp successfully in linux.. |
| 05:16.18 | jim | do you have to do wireless net in order to install? |
| 05:16.20 | octothorp | jim: if i had a spare hdd, i'd set the disk on fire and use the blank one :) |
| 05:16.33 | octothorp | jim: yes :/ |
| 05:16.44 | octothorp | ml267: i don't... is there a primer or anything i could read? |
| 05:17.02 | ml267 | octothorp: last thing you want is to have to reinstall windows on that machine so that you can get online for more help! |
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| 05:17.07 | jim | octothorp: there's no way to connect via a wired anything temporarily? |
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| 05:17.22 | octothorp | jim: no. we get our connection from our landlord upstairs |
| 05:17.51 | jim | ok, is there another machine that could act as temporary gateway? |
| 05:17.54 | octothorp | worst case scenario, i put the wireless card in this machine and ask for help. but that's a huge hassle, so i'd rather do this right the first time :) |
| 05:18.06 | ml267 | octothorp : you could try repartitioning the machine, keeping windows alive, shrinking its partition. after you know that your linux install works fine, kill the win partition and expand the linux one, or reinstall debian all over.. |
| 05:18.10 | cg0def | I thought I had a problem with the runlevel however no matter what rc I try I still can't login as a user |
| 05:18.14 | cg0def | can someone help me |
| 05:18.19 | octothorp | ml267: i only have 2 gigs to work with :( |
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| 05:18.26 | ml267 | octothorp : huge hassle either way, I guess |
| 05:18.38 | jim | cg0def: why can't you log in as a user? |
| 05:18.51 | cg0def | I get a message that says System Boot up in progress and when I try to login as a user I don't even get a password prompt |
| 05:18.59 | ml267 | 'octo: how much free space on that box right now? |
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| 05:19.10 | mdh | cg0def: sounds like you've booted into single user mode |
| 05:19.13 | jim | ok, look in /etc, there is a file there called nologin |
| 05:19.15 | octothorp | no idea. i guess i could boot into dos and check |
| 05:19.23 | ml267 | octothorp : ntfs or fat32? |
| 05:19.25 | octothorp | not sure i can shrink the partition without wiping it out |
| 05:19.26 | cg0def | well the only problem is that I am in rc3 |
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| 05:19.36 | octothorp | ml267: don't recall :/ |
| 05:19.41 | cg0def | I tried 5 and 2 and still get the same thing |
| 05:19.41 | jim | wha's rc3? |
| 05:19.48 | jim | ok, look in /etc, there is a file there called nologin |
| 05:19.50 | cg0def | runlevel 3 |
| 05:19.53 | octothorp | jim: good idea. use this machine as dhcp until debian is mostly set up, then switch the wireless card over |
| 05:19.55 | jim | do you see that file? |
| 05:19.57 | cg0def | supposed to be multiuser |
| 05:20.29 | jim | octothorp: yeah, it could save you some hassle... install compiler and get recent kernel source maybe too |
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| 05:20.37 | cg0def | jim: yes there is |
| 05:20.44 | octothorp | there's a cd driver disc? with the net boot cd i burned, debian detected my vmware-emulated cdrom :) |
| 05:20.53 | cg0def | jim: and it contains the exact same message |
| 05:20.54 | jim | cg0def: try removing that file |
| 05:21.21 | cg0def | jim: where did the file come from? |
| 05:21.28 | jim | but you get to wonder why debian didn't remove it as part of boot process |
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| 05:22.09 | cg0def | jim: brb I'll check if it all works |
| 05:22.27 | rellik | what do I need to install to get linux to be aware of computer's samba names? |
| 05:22.35 | jim | I forget exactly... it prevents nonroot logins before system is fully ready, at which point something is supposed to remove it... so the question is, why didn't it get removed? the world may never know... but you should try to find out |
| 05:23.11 | jim | octothorp: oh, you're using cd to install? |
| 05:23.20 | octothorp | jim: yes |
| 05:23.24 | jim | never mind that cd thing then... I was assuming floppies |
| 05:23.24 | octothorp | one cd :) |
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| 05:23.36 | cg0def | jim: thanks that worked |
| 05:24.04 | octothorp | i think i'm going to go with your idea, jim, and use this as my dchp in the meantime... thanks |
| 05:24.07 | jim | so now you know why the file was there and what its purpose is... now find out why it didn't get removed |
| 05:24.20 | octothorp | is there a central place on the web i should look for drivers? |
| 05:24.37 | jim | mainly drivers are kernel modules |
| 05:25.03 | jim | so either they're in the kernel source already, or they're not, and you have to deal with compiling them |
| 05:25.19 | octothorp | yikes. i don't think the kernel source is on my cd :/ |
| 05:25.34 | cg0def | jim: well I am not really sure what the file is doing there but I think a package from unstable had created it |
| 05:25.47 | jim | one thing you should do after your system is set up, is install a non-install kernel |
| 05:26.00 | cg0def | jim: it's a new install (3 days old) but it was booting fine yesterday |
| 05:26.02 | jim | cg0def: you should try rebooting to make sure the file goes away |
| 05:26.21 | jim | and watch the boot process closely |
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| 05:26.32 | Megan^ | hi boys lol... |
| 05:26.34 | cg0def | good idea |
| 05:26.53 | jim | Hi Megan :P |
| 05:27.12 | gravity | Hi girl |
| 05:27.21 | Megan^ | lol... |
| 05:27.31 | Megan^ | always such a warm welcome from strangers lol |
| 05:28.02 | jim | that's because you seem so warm yourself :) |
| 05:28.49 | Megan^ | ... |
| 05:28.59 | Megan^ | i'll take that as a -non- sick comment lol |
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| 05:29.07 | Megan^ | nobody else here? |
| 05:29.15 | rellik | anyone know of a program that will scan my network for netbios names so I can 'ping <name>' instead of 'ping <ip>' ? |
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| 05:29.19 | jim | I'm not sick... I just had my vitamin C :P |
| 05:29.26 | Megan^ | x_x |
| 05:29.41 | da_bon_bon | hi all. |
| 05:29.46 | da_bon_bon | my sound card is not recognized, please help. |
| 05:30.07 | jim | da_bon_bon: why? |
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| 05:30.15 | jim | and also... |
| 05:30.31 | jim | (Megan: speaking of sick...) |
| 05:30.42 | jim | da_bon_bon: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 05:30.43 | cg0def | jim: the file is gone and the boot up looked just like it did last time so I have no idea what happened |
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| 05:30.58 | Megan^ | da_bon_bon: try new drivers, i doubt its not recognized unless its too new... even then O_o |
| 05:31.02 | da_bon_bon | jim, i do alsaconf it gives some error about alsactl not possible. |
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| 05:31.07 | jim | cg0def: probably it was a glitch caused by a package install? |
| 05:31.16 | nichos | Hi all - im having trouble - i have linux 2.6, all is well, except I cant hear any flash, any ideas? |
| 05:31.16 | da_bon_bon | Megan^, i810 onboard aint new |
| 05:31.17 | cg0def | jim: I think so too |
| 05:31.35 | fusibou | da_bon_bon ensure no OSS drivers are conflicting |
| 05:31.45 | jim | da_bon_bon: maybe you don't have all parts of alsa installed... |
| 05:31.53 | jim | Megan: you get that feeling too? |
| 05:31.58 | Megan^ | look up the right driver for your card da_bon_bon |
| 05:32.03 | da_bon_bon | jim, i did apt-get install alsa. |
| 05:32.07 | Megan^ | uninstall the old one aswell |
| 05:32.12 | da_bon_bon | Megan^, whats the name in the repos ? |
| 05:32.21 | Megan^ | oh im using xchat |
| 05:32.24 | da_bon_bon | fusibou, how do i ensure that ? |
| 05:32.29 | fusibou | da_bon_bon do an lsmod and look for conflicting OSS drivers and rmmod them and add them to your /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 05:32.48 | jim | da_bon_bon: sheesh :) how can we know -that-? have you told us what card you got? |
| 05:32.57 | da_bon_bon | jim, i810 onboard. |
| 05:32.59 | Megan^ | try it, when somone uses your name in xchat, it lights up red, so you can pick it out easier, and your own type is grey lol |
| 05:33.03 | fusibou | alsa drivers start with "snd" and OSS do not. if you have ac97_codec and snd_ac97_codec then you need to remove the first |
| 05:33.37 | Megan^ | linux is so cool |
| 05:33.45 | jim | it's gray so you don't quite notice your mistakes :) |
| 05:33.49 | Megan^ | haha |
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| 05:33.54 | cg0def | jim: is /etc/init.d/rmnologin suppored to run every time? |
| 05:34.12 | cg0def | jim: because if it is then I know exactly what happened |
| 05:34.44 | jim | cg0def: look at /etc/rc[0-9s].d/ and see what dirs have rmnologin in there |
| 05:34.45 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: i have snd_ac97_codec do i need to remove it ? |
| 05:34.54 | fusibou | nope, that is the right one for alsa |
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| 05:35.10 | jim | I tok relly gud, don cha tink? :) |
| 05:35.26 | da_bon_bon | Megan^, jim: i think the drivers are proper - snd_intel8x0 |
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| 05:35.52 | Megan^ | try rebooting... lol. i got my drivers in right, then rebooted and it worked da_bon_bon |
| 05:35.53 | jim | da_bon_bon: ok, so: see if that module is inserted (try: lsmod) |
| 05:36.01 | fusibou | da_bon_bon do you also have i810_audio? |
| 05:36.10 | jim | hmm, Megan has the better suggestion |
| 05:36.28 | jim | but you can still find out if the driver is inserted now |
| 05:36.33 | cg0def | jim: that won't really help anymore but I think I removed rmnologin from the init before this problem started |
| 05:36.40 | Megan^ | i dunno why im so cheery... my girlfriend had a -really- bad day,,, im upset =\ |
| 05:36.42 | cg0def | jim: so that's why I was asking |
| 05:36.50 | cg0def | jim: it's back in there though |
| 05:37.24 | jim | cg0def: hmm, you don'/t want to do stuff like that, unless this is a throwaway linux you are experimenting with, or if you -know- what you're doing |
| 05:37.41 | octothorp | is it possible that the kernel will have support for my wmp54g wireless pci network card by default? |
| 05:37.56 | Megan^ | is there a kind of... computer forensics program i can apt-get? |
| 05:38.00 | jim | Megan^: has she been able to cheer up since? |
| 05:38.13 | cg0def | jim: well there were a bunch of services that were starting that I didn't want so I was doing some clean-up |
| 05:38.16 | jim | forensics? like for what? |
| 05:38.25 | Megan^ | no... shes pretty upset, im more upset than her i think |
| 05:38.38 | jim | probably you can use a combination of tools that are in there |
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| 05:38.40 | Megan^ | i wanna find some files i might of deleted when i put linux on here |
| 05:38.50 | cg0def | jim: only I don't really know much about debian and gentoo is really different :) |
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| 05:39.10 | Megan^ | i know theyre on the drive... data just doent dissapear, if it wasnt overwritten by linux theres a good chance i can find it |
| 05:39.26 | fusibou | cg0def: i switched from Gentoo to Debian on three machines and haven't looked back |
| 05:39.38 | jim | cg0def: well, browse around in /etc/init.d, read the readme in there, find out all about the boot process... |
| 05:39.39 | Megan^ | haha fusibou |
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| 05:40.04 | jim | Megan^: what kind of filesystem? |
| 05:40.14 | Megan^ | i dont know what u mean |
| 05:40.25 | jim | hmm |
| 05:40.29 | cg0def | fusibou: the only reason why I still keep the gentoo machine is because I am still seting up the debian one to be an exact match |
| 05:40.29 | fusibou | cg0def: /etc/rc2.d is the default runlevel for Debian. The scripts listed there are run from /etc/init.d |
| 05:40.32 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: i rmmod both - ac97_codec and i810_audio now ? |
| 05:40.33 | Megan^ | they were winxp files |
| 05:40.39 | jim | Megan: where shall I start? :) |
| 05:40.41 | Megan^ | then i put linux on and i wanna see if i can get em back |
| 05:40.59 | jim | OK, if you had a winxp and now you have what, debian? |
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| 05:41.11 | Megan^ | oh yea im sorry yes |
| 05:41.13 | cg0def | fusibou: yeah I know about the rc levels gentoo wasn't the only or the first distro I used :) |
| 05:41.14 | Megan^ | sarge |
| 05:41.16 | jim | I suspect you know some of this... you're smart about drivers |
| 05:41.21 | fusibou | da_bon_bon if you are using alsa, then yes. those two conflict with the alsa ones |
| 05:41.21 | Megan^ | me? |
| 05:41.26 | jim | yes, you :) |
| 05:41.29 | nvz | you |
| 05:41.29 | jim | :P |
| 05:41.32 | nvz | :P |
| 05:41.41 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: so i rmmod them. now what ? do i need to reboot ? how do i blacklist them ? |
| 05:41.50 | Megan^ | lol! no, i just had deadcat and cafeugo tell me how to install the drivers for my maestro3... so i know a -few- things lol... |
| 05:41.53 | cg0def | fusibou: the only thing that I still like about gentoo is the init process and some config scripts |
| 05:41.54 | fusibou | da_bon_bon you will also need to add those names to your /etc/hotplug/blacklist and /etc/discover.conf files to prevent them from being autpomatically loaded in the future |
| 05:42.14 | jim | Megan^: and looky now! already you helped someone! |
| 05:42.16 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: ok, so for now, its a must to restart ? |
| 05:42.19 | fusibou | da_bon_bon if those modules are in use, you may have to exit X to do it |
| 05:42.22 | jim | and you say you're not smart :P |
| 05:42.26 | jim | bs! :) |
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| 05:42.40 | fusibou | da_bon_bon i don't think you need to reboot |
| 05:42.49 | Megan^ | lol, i didnt fix his problem |
| 05:43.04 | da_bon_bon | Megan^: right. |
| 05:43.07 | jim | okok. I'll stop. |
| 05:43.11 | fusibou | da_bon_bon you need to install alsa_base and ensure /etc/alsa service is started |
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| 05:43.30 | jim | so the reboot didn't work? |
| 05:43.52 | Megan^ | i dont think he ever rebooted |
| 05:43.58 | jim | ahh,,, |
| 05:44.15 | jim | so we still have a chance to see if the module is inserted in his box |
| 05:44.25 | da_bon_bon | Megan^: quite right. i have learnt that in linux u never need to reboot. |
| 05:44.51 | fusibou | nvz what's wrong with some cuteness |
| 05:44.59 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: Starting ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Error: alsactl restore failed with message 'alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found...'. |
| 05:45.01 | ml267 | Megan^ : if you killed your old windows partition, you probably will have a hard time getting those files back |
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| 05:45.18 | Megan^ | dammit ml267 |
| 05:45.33 | nvz | fusibou: wtf is cute about that.. say lol, and tell me you dont sound like a retard. it doesnt even sound like laughing. |
| 05:45.34 | jim | da_bon_bon: but for this, we eventually want to find out if your sound will be set up upon boot |
| 05:45.47 | da_bon_bon | also, how do i use kdm instead of gdm, and set kde as defualt instead of gnome. |
| 05:45.48 | nvz | fusibou: sounds more like drooling to me |
| 05:45.51 | Megan^ | if i dont get those files i have to replace the files (my friends porn) with me -.- |
| 05:45.52 | da_bon_bon | jim: ok i will reboot. |
| 05:45.56 | jim | wait tho |
| 05:46.02 | fusibou | da_bon_bon do another lsmod and ensure the OSS drivers are out |
| 05:46.04 | jim | don't reboot quite yet |
| 05:46.18 | nvz | Megan^: heh is #debian's favorite word |
| 05:46.20 | gravity | Which is rare |
| 05:46.23 | nvz | !heh |
| 05:46.23 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. Or http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh |
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| 05:46.28 | jim | is not :P |
| 05:46.40 | jim | sicco is debian's favorite word! |
| 05:46.51 | Megan^ | you all suck =\ |
| 05:47.01 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: they are out. i will reboot |
| 05:47.05 | ml267 | Megan^ : lol, plenty of pr0n to d/l from internet |
| 05:47.06 | jim | well, only sometimes :) |
| 05:47.16 | Megan^ | not according to my friend ml267 |
| 05:47.23 | Megan^ | i lost it, i replace it |
| 05:47.27 | Megan^ | =( |
| 05:47.27 | fusibou | da_bon_bon make sure you edit your blacklist and discover.conf before reboot |
| 05:47.41 | Megan^ | !screwed |
| 05:47.41 | gravity | Internet pr0n is nothing if not replaceable |
| 05:47.42 | dpkg | Not with you, megan^ ! |
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| 05:47.48 | Megan^ | =\ |
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| 05:48.07 | jim | Megan^: don't let these jamokes get you down |
| 05:48.12 | Megan^ | gravity, i told you, he said if i lost it i replace it |
| 05:48.15 | ml267 | you're funny. |
| 05:48.16 | nvz | you should change your nick back to what you had the other night and get it registered. |
| 05:48.32 | Megan^ | private me what it was |
| 05:48.35 | Megan^ | i forgot |
| 05:48.55 | nvz | its your username on your box I believe |
| 05:49.04 | Megan^ | uh? |
| 05:49.14 | Megan^ | just private me already |
| 05:49.30 | nvz | Megan^ [~DarkPaint@ip70-179-8-161.sd.sd.cox.net] |
| 05:49.35 | jim | that;s such an interesting phrase :) |
| 05:49.40 | Megan^ | O_o |
| 05:49.45 | nvz | yeah, too bad I dont know Megan^ like that |
| 05:49.46 | Megan^ | thats not the name on my box lol |
| 05:49.53 | nvz | so I am not going to do any such thing |
| 05:50.11 | Megan^ | shut up |
| 05:50.16 | nvz | you said it |
| 05:50.17 | gravity | I can feel myself getting stupider reading this |
| 05:50.20 | *** part/#debian Megan^ (~DarkPaint@ip70-179-8-161.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 05:50.45 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: in discover.conf "skip ac97_codec" |
| 05:50.47 | gravity | Thank god... what a troll |
| 05:51.03 | jim | that was kinda mean |
| 05:51.06 | nvz | gravity: who Megan^ ? |
| 05:51.11 | gravity | nvz: Yeah |
| 05:51.18 | fusibou | da_bon_bon you also need to skip i810_audio in discover.conf and add both to /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 05:51.35 | nvz | gravity: heh, if you say so.. just an inexperienced user if you ask me.. been hangin around lately |
| 05:51.48 | nvz | needs to register DarkPaint or something |
| 05:51.49 | gravity | I don't buy the giggly girl with girlfriend act |
| 05:51.57 | nvz | cant handle a nick like Megan^ |
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| 05:52.05 | nvz | gets too much unwanted attention |
| 05:52.09 | nvz | heh |
| 05:52.12 | Megan^ | -.- |
| 05:52.16 | nvz | o.O |
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| 05:52.26 | jim | Megan: were we giving you too much unwanted attention? |
| 05:52.48 | nvz | you can see from my nick it leaves a lot to the imagination and is easily forgotten |
| 05:53.06 | nvz | yet easy to type |
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| 05:53.12 | gravity | My nick is both mysterious and powerful |
| 05:53.13 | ml267 | hmm... i don't know how to register irc nick. never had problem with someone taking mine tho. heh |
| 05:53.20 | Megan^ | ... |
| 05:53.23 | gravity | ml267: /msg nickserv help |
| 05:53.30 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: and how do i get kdm and kde to start by default ? |
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| 05:54.22 | fusibou | da_bon_bon do you have kdm in /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 05:54.29 | boukensya | hey guys.. I was wondering if they made a digital clock that was transpararent that doesn't have borders and looks nice and small? |
| 05:54.36 | jim | for people who had firefox but it won't work in sarge, what browser to try? |
| 05:54.38 | ml267 | gravity: haha, my irc client has ignored nickserv for flooding me |
| 05:54.51 | dondelelcaro | jim: "won't work in sarge"? |
| 05:55.07 | jim | there's a bug report that says it segfaults every time |
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| 05:55.23 | jim | so I want to just avoid it and try something else |
| 05:55.38 | nvz | sometimes those ceiling fans will kick a cool breese down your back |
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| 05:56.07 | dondelelcaro | jim: not everyone has experienced that segfault afaik. |
| 05:56.16 | ml267 | jim: use kde or gnome ? |
| 05:56.23 | ml267 | jim: they come with basic browsers |
| 05:56.26 | jim | gnome for now |
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| 05:56.32 | dondelelcaro | jim: so unless you're seeing it, that's really not enough reason to switch... and frankly, most browsers pale in comparison |
| 05:56.36 | Kerr | err |
| 05:56.48 | jim | kerrerrerrerrerr |
| 05:56.56 | ml267 | jim: dillo is a small and fast little browser i use |
| 05:56.58 | gravity | ml267: nickserv was probably telling you to register your nick |
| 05:57.02 | nvz | jimimimimim |
| 05:57.15 | jim | nvz: he started it :P |
| 05:57.18 | nvz | heh |
| 05:57.25 | Megan^ | try getting this straight guys...my girlfriend went home with a guy from school to do homework, he then proceded to kiss, and handle her, force her to perform oral, and had intercourse with her, which she refused all the while. im not in the mood for fucking sexual inuendos you filty mentally maliscous incestually disgusting -male- perverts!! |
| 05:57.32 | ApprentX | How do I use dpkg to install a .deb file and all its dependencies |
| 05:57.41 | Kerr | I keep gettind driveready seekcomplete error and such, for my new drive when copying stuff to it. for the dvd drive too, at random intervals. Bad CRC too. is that something to worry about? |
| 05:57.49 | nvz | !dict seethes |
| 05:57.52 | dpkg | could not find definition for seethes |
| 05:57.57 | dondelelcaro | Megan^: eh? what in the world does that have to do with anything? |
| 05:58.03 | jim | Megan^: sorry that happened to her... have you called the police or told her to? |
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| 05:58.06 | gravity | Megan^: Please, take it somewhere else |
| 05:58.13 | Megan^ | ..... |
| 05:58.18 | ml267 | gravity : i figured that much. looking it up on google instead. |
| 05:58.18 | Megan^ | fuck you gravity |
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| 05:58.27 | jim | Megan^: /ignore gravity all |
| 05:58.36 | Megan^ | -.- |
| 05:58.49 | nichos | Im having trouble with sound in flash - Ive enabled OSS emulation, and Ive tried running firefox as root, any other ideas? |
| 05:58.50 | gravity | Megan^: If you've got a debian question, we'll try to help. This is not the place to spill your personal life out, kthx |
| 05:58.56 | nichos | how can i repair my /dev/dsp maybe/ |
| 05:58.58 | jim | Megan^: are you with her now? |
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| 05:59.14 | Megan^ | she doesnt want to go to the cops, shes 15 for gods sake |
| 05:59.23 | jim | how old is he? |
| 05:59.30 | Kerr | Megan^: That is awful, but it does not justify taking it out on #debian users. If you are disraught you should tell the samaritans, not us. We care, realy; but we are not your emotional punchbag. |
| 05:59.32 | dondelelcaro | Megan^,jim: please take this problem elsewhere. |
| 05:59.37 | nvz | amen |
| 05:59.47 | gravity | indeed |
| 05:59.50 | nvz | to the local hospital |
| 05:59.52 | ApprentX | I'm trying to install honeyd but every time dpkg says there are problems with dependencies |
| 05:59.59 | Megan^ | gravity seems to be a 3 year old with a computer that his daddy setup for him... what game are you playing gravity? tetris? |
| 06:00.05 | nvz | or police dept whichever closest |
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| 06:00.07 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@ip70-179-8-161.sd.sd.cox.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:00.07 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:00.13 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 06:00.21 | Kerr | Bravo |
| 06:00.29 | dondelelcaro | Megan^: personal attacks are not appropriate on #debian |
| 06:00.29 | nvz | gravity: kudos, you were right |
| 06:00.33 | ApprentX | anyone? |
| 06:00.35 | gravity | nvz: Thanks. |
| 06:00.49 | dondelelcaro | ApprentX: paste the output of dpkg (or apt-get) into #flood, or use the paste bot |
| 06:00.52 | gravity | ApprentX: You're going to have to be more specific about the error. What dependencies are missing? |
| 06:00.58 | hamlet | hay alguien que hable espanol |
| 06:01.01 | gravity | !es |
| 06:01.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:01.32 | mwilson | Is it still Sunday or something in #debian? |
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| 06:01.51 | gravity | mwilson: I wish. Then things would make sense. |
| 06:01.54 | hamlet | que pasa , esque soy nuevo |
| 06:01.57 | Kerr | I am repeatedly getting dma_intr: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error} for hda1 () |
| 06:02.00 | Kerr | err |
| 06:02.03 | ApprentX | dondelelcaro, look in #flood |
| 06:02.06 | nvz | yeah how else would you get lovin on a sunday |
| 06:02.09 | gravity | hamlet: /join #debian-es |
| 06:02.09 | vulture | mwilson: the classic #debian sunday, and people think a month of them is rare.. |
| 06:02.12 | jim | dondelelcaro: if personal attacks are not appropriate, then also talk to gravity |
| 06:02.18 | nvz | j/k |
| 06:02.25 | mwilson | Hm |
| 06:02.28 | gravity | jim: How did I personally attack her? |
| 06:02.33 | Kerr | i'm in console, nvidia drivers b0rked X which i'll deal with later.. but, do any of you know how i can fix that there error? |
| 06:02.44 | gravity | mwilson: That'd be the wise move |
| 06:02.46 | da_bon_bon | hey i installed flighgear. now how do i run it ? |
| 06:02.49 | hamlet | soy cubano |
| 06:02.53 | Tabitha | after adding a deb line for a repository with backported php4, how can I install? I currently have php4.1.2 on debian woody and would like to install a backported 4.3.10 |
| 06:02.55 | nvz | bad time for a joke too.. everyones still a little roudy.. good thing it was a stupid joke |
| 06:03.06 | mwilson | Kerr: First, check cables. Second, replace cable. Third, replace drive. |
| 06:03.07 | ApprentX | I just want dpkg to automatically install the dependencies |
| 06:03.09 | dondelelcaro | hamlet: /join #debian-es; or ask your questino in english |
| 06:03.09 | Tabitha | when I run apt-get install php4, it tells me it's at the latest version (4.1.2) |
| 06:03.12 | ml267 | Kerr: sounds like reboot is your quickest solution |
| 06:03.22 | mwilson | ApprentX: That's not what dpkg does, that's not what dpkg is for. |
| 06:03.27 | dondelelcaro | ApprentX: run apt-get -f install; then. However, it sure looks like you're mixing Debian versions. That is not sane. |
| 06:03.28 | ApprentX | ok |
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| 06:03.37 | mwilson | gravity: Tremors is a kick-ass movie. |
| 06:03.39 | hamlet | no puedo preguntar en ingles |
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| 06:03.53 | nvz | I actually came in here with the intent to go to sleep 20 minutes ago, but something about IRC mesmorizes me |
| 06:03.57 | drp | anyone have any trouble mounting a mass storage device with ntfs fs? |
| 06:03.58 | Tabitha | !es |
| 06:03.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:04.01 | ml267 | ApprentX : use apt for that |
| 06:04.04 | drp | i'm new to debian and would appreciate any input |
| 06:04.08 | ApprentX | ok after apt get |
| 06:04.11 | Kerr | Just finished watching Platoon.. got Event Horizon lined up for tomorrow night :) |
| 06:04.19 | mwilson | Platoon... feh. |
| 06:04.19 | gravity | mwilson: Hell yeah. I haven't seen it in forever though, sadly |
| 06:04.20 | ApprentX | how do I get the dependencies |
| 06:04.35 | mwilson | gravity: Amazon has the DVD for $13 |
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| 06:04.40 | dondelelcaro | ApprentX: apt-get will fix your dependencies for you... |
| 06:04.42 | gravity | sweet |
| 06:04.45 | Kerr | ApprentX: use apt, not dpkg. |
| 06:04.45 | mwilson | gravity: Actually, I bought all four films. :) |
| 06:04.57 | gravity | mwilson: There's four? I lost count at three! |
| 06:04.59 | dondelelcaro | ApprentX: however, because you seem to be mixing and matching stable and unstable, you're in for a world of pain. |
| 06:05.03 | nvz | ApprentX: apt has super cow powers |
| 06:05.09 | ApprentX | lol |
| 06:05.13 | nvz | I am serious |
| 06:05.16 | ml267 | apt-get install your_app |
| 06:05.17 | gravity | You're in for a world of pain Larry. A world of pain. |
| 06:05.18 | mwilson | gravity: Yea, the fourth one is "Tremors 4: The Legend Begins" |
| 06:05.19 | nvz | you think this is a joke :P |
| 06:05.23 | ApprentX | dondelelcaro, I just want the deb file to install lol |
| 06:05.28 | nvz | this time I am not joking |
| 06:05.34 | dondelelcaro | ApprentX: in short, you should remove honeyd, and actually install the backported .deb for your version. |
| 06:05.42 | gravity | Oh man... I must see Tremors 4 then. If it's achieved the state of legendary |
| 06:05.46 | dondelelcaro | ApprentX: it won't install because there's no way in hell that it would work. |
| 06:05.48 | mwilson | gravity: 1800's, when Perfection (then called Rejection) was settled. |
| 06:05.55 | dondelelcaro | ApprentX: those versioned dependencies aren't there to look pretty. |
| 06:06.00 | ApprentX | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 06:06.07 | mwilson | gravity: It's good for a laugh. |
| 06:06.21 | ApprentX | dondelelcaro, I'm just new to debian I like it sofar |
| 06:06.21 | gravity | mwilson: I'll definitely check it out. My roomate has the first two I think |
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| 06:06.34 | mwilson | gravity: I liked the SciFi series, too... too bad they didn't continue it. |
| 06:06.47 | gravity | mwilson: They made a series out of it? I can't imagine that would be good... |
| 06:07.03 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Protein structure? |
| 06:07.04 | mwilson | gravity: Oh, no, it was VERY tongue-in-cheek. |
| 06:07.07 | gravity | Cool |
| 06:07.07 | dondelelcaro | gravity: lipids |
| 06:07.08 | nvz | I can't seem to suspend my disbelif far enough for most sci-fi shows |
| 06:07.14 | gravity | ew... lipids scare me |
| 06:07.16 | vulture | dondelelcaro: clearly because it's become sentient and decided it doesn't like you.. |
| 06:07.33 | dondelelcaro | vulture: it will learn to like me... or it will die. |
| 06:07.37 | gravity | hehe |
| 06:07.40 | nvz | hell, who am I kidding I can't hardly suspend disbelif for tv at all |
| 06:07.52 | mwilson | gravity: The premise of the series is that there's one Graboid left, and the Govt has designated him an endangered species. |
| 06:07.56 | vulture | threats of violence towards molecules.. that'll get 'em every time :) |
| 06:08.01 | dondelelcaro | (death in this case meaning relegated to the freezer with no one caring if it disapeared off the face of the planet...) |
| 06:08.07 | nvz | I am to afraid I am going to be singing a commercial at the store and buying stuff I dont need |
| 06:08.16 | mwilson | gravity: And Perfection is his... habitat. :) |
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| 06:09.03 | nvz | start planning life around the tv guide.. its just one thing after the other |
| 06:09.53 | nvz | heh |
| 06:10.22 | jim | yeah, I just noticed that |
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| 06:11.26 | gravity | mwilson: That actually does sound funny |
| 06:11.54 | gravity | dondelelcaro: How are you actually determining structure here? |
| 06:12.01 | gravity | That stuff is so far away from what I work on |
| 06:12.13 | dondelelcaro | gravity: deuterium nmr |
| 06:12.19 | gravity | Cooooool |
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| 06:12.54 | gravity | I think bioruby has some structural determination libs |
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| 06:13.37 | drp | quick mounting question for someone (new to debian and linux distros in general) |
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| 06:13.43 | drp | I did a dmesg |
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| 06:13.59 | drp | and got: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 06:13.59 | drp | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.59 | drp | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.59 | drp | SCSI device sda: 320173056 512-byte hdwr sectors (163929 MB) |
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| 06:14.44 | nvz | drp: learn anything? |
| 06:14.50 | drp | indeed |
| 06:14.54 | nvz | drp: you will have to ask your question now |
| 06:14.55 | drp | #flood |
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| 06:15.10 | nvz | save the flood for when someone asks for it |
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| 06:15.16 | nvz | and yeah in #flood |
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| 06:15.20 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: hi. |
| 06:15.27 | fusibou | da_bon_bon so? |
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| 06:15.41 | drp | I'm trying to mount a mass storage device (160gb usb 2.0 drive) |
| 06:15.46 | *** part/#debian Megan^ (~Megan@ip70-179-8-161.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 06:15.56 | jm_ | kernel will tell you the device you have to use |
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| 06:15.56 | drp | and I did a dmesg and saw the drive |
| 06:15.57 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: kde ok./ alsaconf doesnt give errors, but knmix doesnt recognize it either. |
| 06:16.16 | drp | I did something like this mount -t ntfs /dev/sda usb |
| 06:16.17 | gravity | Aha... bioruby handles pdb's, so it can do basic stuff I suppose |
| 06:16.20 | drp | where usb is my mount point |
| 06:16.28 | drp | well blah... |
| 06:16.42 | drp | and it gives me an invalid fs error |
| 06:16.45 | fusibou | da_bon_bon i don't use kde but there may be a sound server type selection somewhere (ie. to switch from OSS to ALSA) |
| 06:16.45 | drp | when I know it's ntfs |
| 06:16.46 | pingouin | drp: do you have the usbmass storage module loaded ? |
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| 06:16.57 | jm_ | sda is a whole disk, you want a partition |
| 06:16.58 | toresbe | How can I check the speed of a SCSI CDRW drive? |
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| 06:17.16 | drp | pingouin, not sure |
| 06:17.22 | jim | toresbe: write one, time it |
| 06:17.33 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: yes, the options there but it doesnt have any drivers listed. |
| 06:17.34 | drp | jm_, ok how do I mount just the partition |
| 06:17.34 | jm_ | toresbe: dmesg, find the model number, google it |
| 06:17.39 | jim | then read what ya writ |
| 06:17.44 | jm_ | drp: specify the device for it |
| 06:17.50 | pingouin | drp: you have to, root, modconf to load it, or lsmod to see the actual loaded modules |
| 06:18.02 | fusibou | da_bon_bon sorry, i don't know kde. i use gnome 2.8 only. |
| 06:18.08 | drp | pingouin, k I'll check that |
| 06:18.12 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: ok.. |
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| 06:18.51 | ml267 | somebody's having client problems |
| 06:19.11 | nvz | no she's been +q and doesnt realize what it is |
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| 06:19.14 | da_bon_bon | brb |
| 06:19.26 | nvz | wont stay around long enough for me to say anything |
| 06:19.30 | drp | pingouin, I see a usb_storage mod loaded but that seems to be about it |
| 06:19.40 | ml267 | nvz: what's that? |
| 06:19.55 | nvz | ml267: +q quiets a user to allow the channel to cool off |
| 06:20.09 | jim | nvz: you're going to have to be gentle with her; she's very upset |
| 06:20.17 | mwilson | zabbz |
| 06:20.20 | nvz | jim: I am not a fool |
| 06:20.32 | ml267 | nvz: message her if you need to explain, I guess.. |
| 06:20.55 | nvz | ml267: she's restarting her client so I cant /msg someone whos no longer on the server |
| 06:21.29 | nvz | I was only going to tell her what it was so she would not have to be banned or klined for unintentional abuse |
| 06:22.13 | Kerr | ergh.. I think my |
| 06:22.24 | Kerr | ^ dvd drive b0rked |
| 06:22.26 | gravity | fwiw, females who wander in to #debian aren't usually the giggly stupid types. That's often the sign of a troll. |
| 06:22.58 | Kerr | guess it's only to be expected, after finding it next to my trashcan in the rain.. |
| 06:23.02 | nvz | gravity: this person has been in here a few times over the past 2 days.. with problems getting her laptop setup |
| 06:23.02 | ml267 | ya, i don't treat anyone different based on nick |
| 06:23.12 | mwilson | Sometimes women think that's the only way they can get attention. Sad, really. |
| 06:23.14 | nvz | gravity: I suspect this person is pretty young |
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| 06:23.27 | gravity | nvz: I'm sure they're new, and probably young, but I'm still thinking guy |
| 06:23.29 | nvz | gravity: and also inexperienced with linux and probably IRC |
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| 06:23.40 | ml267 | jim: if you really care, could always try emailing |
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| 06:25.14 | nvz | heh |
| 06:25.25 | mwilson | Wow, I can see my desk. |
| 06:25.30 | gravity | I still can't see mine |
| 06:25.36 | octothorp | ok, so for my wireless debian setup, i'm going to burn a cd with some extra apt packages i'll need, and i'm installing from the woody 1 disc cd installer |
| 06:25.37 | ml267 | i've never cared nuff about irc to figure out how it all works, I guess. just need questions answered, and i'm happy |
| 06:25.37 | octothorp | ndiswrapper-source_1.0-1_i386, kernel-headers-2.6.8-2_2.6.8-12_i386, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386_2.6.8-12_i386, sed_4.1.2-8_i386 |
| 06:25.43 | Comrade_Fool | righto. how do i get update-rc.d to run my script before /home mounts? |
| 06:25.56 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: all ok,. thanks a lot. |
| 06:25.57 | octothorp | can anyone think of anything else i might need to get an internet connection up and running with my wireless card? |
| 06:26.08 | gravity | octothorp: wireless-tools |
| 06:26.12 | fusibou | da_bon_bon no prob. glad to help. |
| 06:26.17 | dondelelcaro | octothorp: wireless-tools, possibly dhcp3-client |
| 06:26.28 | nvz | Megan| You are quieted there is no need to join flood it won't help. If you think you can set personal issues aside and have something debian-related to discuss you will have to ask an op to give you your voice back. |
| 06:26.33 | octothorp | thanks. and thanks again. downloading those now |
| 06:26.36 | octothorp | anything else? |
| 06:26.37 | Kerr | I know irc pretty well... wish i'd more experience with debian, though. |
| 06:27.24 | dondelelcaro | octothorp: well, assuming you can go iwconfig <wirelessinterface>; you'll be fine. |
| 06:27.25 | ml267 | i don't even know how to figure out who're ops |
| 06:27.35 | broke | is there a command to eject my cdrom ? |
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| 06:27.55 | nvz | ml267: a lot of people just point to someone they know is here a lot |
| 06:27.57 | gravity | broke: eject /cdrom |
| 06:28.04 | nvz | ml267: I am often called upon for things like this |
| 06:28.06 | octothorp | i'm assuming that iwconfig is in either wireless-tools or ndiswrapper? |
| 06:28.09 | toresbe | broke: Yes - surprisingly enough, it's called eject ;) |
| 06:28.14 | dondelelcaro | octothorp: wireless-tools |
| 06:28.31 | octothorp | sweet, thanks dondelelcaro. you're likely a lifesaver :) |
| 06:28.46 | ml267 | are you guys sure 2.6 kern will work on woody? |
| 06:29.02 | ml267 | i'm using 2.4 on mine |
| 06:29.09 | broke | hehe, but it says that my cdrom is busy |
| 06:29.09 | mwilson | \Why wouldn't it? |
| 06:29.12 | broke | and that's bullshit |
| 06:29.14 | toresbe | ml267: it won't without some serious hacking |
| 06:29.14 | broke | hmm |
| 06:29.15 | broke | os |
| 06:29.17 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: whats wrong in this fstab line : /dev/hdc3 /mnt/hdc3 vfat defualt, umask=000 |
| 06:29.17 | Kerr | it's disturbing. people who i've converted to debian call me round for tech help when they can't figure problem xyz out themselves. They think of me as being in the know 'cause i know whar irc is, and what google is, and half-how to structure a question. Why are people such a headache ~.~ |
| 06:29.17 | broke | ps |
| 06:29.19 | mwilson | As long as you satisfy all the deps. |
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| 06:29.39 | dondelelcaro | broke: you have to umount the cdrom first, then eject it. |
| 06:29.41 | octothorp | ok, time to kill the olde internet connection and see if i can't wrestle debian into submission |
| 06:29.42 | fusibou | da_bon_bon default is misspelled |
| 06:29.45 | toresbe | Kerr: Then tell them to "RTFM, and STFW." |
| 06:29.46 | octothorp | thanks for your help, everyone! |
| 06:29.46 | ml267 | octothorp : you might want the 2.4 kernel until you know stuff works. since it appears you're installing woody |
| 06:29.51 | dondelelcaro | broke: if you can't umount it, then something is using the cdrom. |
| 06:29.55 | Kerr | broke: if you are running any kde aps that have memory of accessing your cdrom, close them, unmount, then eject. |
| 06:29.57 | gravity | broke: If you're in your cdrom directory in a shell, you have to go somewhere else before you eject |
| 06:30.08 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: no, not in fstab, i typed wrongly here.. |
| 06:30.19 | Kerr | toresbe: i got a tshirt made with 'wtf' printed on it.. 'rtfm' comes next. |
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| 06:30.28 | nvz | heh |
| 06:30.30 | octothorp | kerr: thinkgeek |
| 06:30.34 | fusibou | da_bon_bon tell me what you are trying to do and what is going wrong |
| 06:30.37 | Kerr | prfft. |
| 06:30.41 | nvz | Kerr: then "No, I won't fix your Computer!" |
| 06:30.44 | octothorp | ml267: i'll take my chances :) |
| 06:30.58 | fusibou | da_bon_bon actually there should be no spaces between default,umask... |
| 06:31.02 | toresbe | Kerr: heh |
| 06:31.05 | Kerr | nvz: I value my social life too much for something that blatant |
| 06:31.19 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: trying to mount a vfat partiton that all users can read/write to. |
| 06:31.27 | ml267 | da_bon_bon : no spcace before comma |
| 06:31.34 | toresbe | Kerr: I've always wanted a t-shirt saying "Is your question about a PDP-11? No? Then BUGGER OFF!" or something like that |
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| 06:31.46 | fusibou | da_bon_bon i think you want to add "user" to those options |
| 06:32.05 | da_bon_bon | fusibou, ml267: /dev/hdc3 /mnt/hdc3 vfat defualts,umask=000 0 0 this correct ? |
| 06:32.06 | Kerr | anyhow... why buy tshirts with plain text on e'm (the wtf one is at splitreason.com) when they're cheaper to make? |
| 06:32.15 | nvz | Kerr: if that would affect your social life, then maybe you should reconsider who you socialize with |
| 06:32.23 | toresbe | Kerr: Something that really says "I'm a cranky retro lunatic" |
| 06:32.33 | fusibou | da_bon_bon defaults,user,...etc |
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| 06:32.48 | Kerr | nvz: you misunderstand. If people saw that, i'd have no social life for the endless stream of tech help requests. |
| 06:32.52 | jstevens | gravity has quit ???... now that should be on a shirt! |
| 06:32.59 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: wrong fs type. |
| 06:33.12 | Kerr | jstevens: why shirt, when you can bash.org ? |
| 06:33.23 | nvz | Kerr: heh, that shirt is an indication you do not fix computers |
| 06:33.28 | fusibou | da_bon_bon try mounting from the command line ie. mount /dev/hdc3 /mnt/hdc3 and let it do auto for you |
| 06:33.39 | fusibou | da_bon_bon what is on this partition anyway |
| 06:33.49 | nvz | Kerr: I personally like the You are dumb t-shirt |
| 06:33.50 | Kerr | might get a rm /* -rf shirt made |
| 06:33.58 | MobyTurbo | nvz: except PDP-11s |
| 06:34.08 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: some songs and all.. if do "mount -t vfat /dev/hdc3 /mnt/hdc3" it woks ok. |
| 06:34.13 | jstevens | Kerr: LOL |
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| 06:34.39 | Kerr | nvz: I like splitreason's microsoft shirt... i'd go fetch the link, but nvidia ate my x session and i'm too lazy for lynx. |
| 06:34.57 | fusibou | kerr: socialize with people who don't know you know about computers; if interaction is solely fixing problems, it ain't a healthy thing for you |
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| 06:35.24 | joaopaulo | where can i find cairo-xlib.h ? i already istalled libcairo1-dev , but the header doesn't exist, anybody can help ? |
| 06:35.30 | vulture | Kerr: use elinks, it even does gpm |
| 06:35.32 | fusibou | da_bon_bon paste in the exact fstab line you have |
| 06:35.47 | nvz | Kerr: cool, you can just say I am too lazy to visit it anyway, if it makes you feel better. |
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| 06:35.51 | da_bon_bon | fusibou: /dev/hdc3 /mnt/hdc3 vfat defualts,umask=000 0 0 |
| 06:36.06 | Kerr | fusibou: oh contraire, i'm basing my life on the damn thing. gonna try got get accpted for applied computer technology (BSc) next year. |
| 06:36.16 | Kerr | try to go get^ |
| 06:36.22 | ml267 | da_bon_bon : defualts |
| 06:36.24 | Kerr | then i can charge for it :) |
| 06:36.38 | fusibou | kerr: don't give it away if you can get paid for it |
| 06:36.45 | da_bon_bon | ml267: what about defaults ? |
| 06:37.02 | mousex | hi, there! :) |
| 06:37.14 | fusibou | da_bon_bon try switching vfat to auto in fstab |
| 06:37.15 | ml267 | da_bon_bon: might be incompatible with vfat |
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| 06:37.37 | ml267 | da_bon_bon : just put in noexec,umask=000 instead |
| 06:37.38 | nvz | mousex: where here? |
| 06:37.45 | nvz | or here? |
| 06:37.48 | mousex | how can I recover a fat16 partition in a USB disk? Is there an "unformat" tool? |
| 06:37.56 | mousex | nvz: yea, there! |
| 06:37.56 | ml267 | da_bon_bon : you prolly don't want to execute anything in that drive anyway |
| 06:38.05 | mousex | nvz: :) |
| 06:38.09 | nvz | :) |
| 06:38.11 | da_bon_bon | ml267: yes i rrremoved defaults it worked. thnks. |
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| 06:39.00 | mousex | can parted recover paritions? |
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| 06:39.10 | ml267 | da_bon_bon : since it's mounted from fstab, it's probably owned by root. if you don't add the noexec option, you have a potential security problem. |
| 06:39.19 | mousex | [parted's got no man page] |
| 06:39.32 | da_bon_bon | ml267: i am the only user. |
| 06:39.54 | ml267 | da_bon_bon : you're connected to the internet ;) |
| 06:40.02 | da_bon_bon | ml267: right.. |
| 06:40.03 | da_bon_bon | :) |
| 06:40.12 | nvz | I've only used about 350 actions this month |
| 06:40.26 | mwilson | ml267: noexec doesn't mean anything. |
| 06:40.58 | ml267 | mwilson: it keeps me from running some doc file by mistake |
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| 06:41.02 | mwilson | ml267: Security-wise, I mean. |
| 06:41.05 | ml267 | dos file even |
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| 06:41.35 | ml267 | mwilson: i guess since it's not suid root, it's not so bad |
| 06:41.56 | mousex | how do I make a complete backup of a vfat partition? cp -R /mnt/* ~/BACKUP? |
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| 06:42.35 | ml267 | mousex: you could even dump the whole partition to an image file... depends what kind of backup you want |
| 06:42.51 | nvz | !seen phated |
| 06:42.52 | dpkg | phated <~dyana@cm199.omega144.maxonline.com.sg> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6h 2m 56s ago, saying: 'Sysdrum: <shrug>'. |
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| 06:43.02 | mousex | ml267: I would like something compressed . . . maybe to a .gz file |
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| 06:43.21 | fusibou | mousex use tar |
| 06:43.37 | fusibou | mousex then zip / bzip it |
| 06:43.41 | mousex | fusibou: will it keep file attributes and directory structure? |
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| 06:44.17 | ml267 | mousex : for fat, I think so.. |
| 06:44.23 | mousex | thanks |
| 06:44.24 | nvz | I just realized I am not identified |
| 06:44.25 | ml267 | mousex: check documentation for tar |
| 06:44.27 | setuid_w00t | Does anyone here use ksvg? I installed the package and according to the pkg description, it includes a standalong svg viewer "This package includes kpart so you can embed it in konqueror and a standalone application." Does anyone know the name of the standalong app? |
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| 06:45.09 | NSAfreak | hello all |
| 06:45.11 | nvz | hmm |
| 06:45.19 | nvz | hello |
| 06:45.51 | mwilson | setuid_w00t: You wouldn't just look at what the package installed, of course. |
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| 06:46.50 | mono | can anyone recommand a good linux rackmountable server (good hardware?) valinux used to make really solid linux boxes. anyone else beside the regulars (ibm, dell, hp,etc)? |
| 06:47.17 | mono | if they are cheap and with good warranty that's even better:) |
| 06:47.47 | mousex | mono: cheap, check eBay; warranty, go for the "regulars" |
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| 06:48.29 | nvz | topic change? |
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| 06:48.42 | mousex | dondelelcaro: what's a channel operator? |
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| 06:49.02 | ml267 | any of you guys use skype? |
| 06:49.09 | starseed | hmm, I'm starting to think once I get debian to not load a million services at boot I'll really like it :) |
| 06:49.09 | nvz | O |
| 06:49.11 | nvz | I |
| 06:49.13 | nvz | heh |
| 06:49.13 | mwilson | dondelelcaro is a who, not a what. :) |
| 06:49.15 | nvz | damn it |
| 06:49.18 | dondelelcaro | mousex: someone who can change modes et al. |
| 06:49.22 | nvz | I've used skype |
| 06:49.27 | mwilson | starseed: Oh? Then why did you install them? |
| 06:49.28 | dondelelcaro | nvz: nah, just typed in the wrong channel... |
| 06:49.32 | ml267 | i'm not sure if it's spyware laden? |
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| 06:49.43 | mousex | dondeelcaro: and what are modes in IRC? |
| 06:49.48 | pigeon_ | well, here I am at work, doing nothing |
| 06:49.50 | dondelelcaro | !modes |
| 06:49.52 | jm_ | mousex: read some IRC newbie guides |
| 06:49.55 | pigeon_ | when I realy ought to be at home packing |
| 06:49.59 | dondelelcaro | !fn modes |
| 06:49.59 | dpkg | i guess umodes is http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 06:50.05 | nvz | dondelelcaro: oh I thought there was breaking news.. |
| 06:50.37 | starseed | mwilson: I just used the sarge installer , it took it upon itself |
| 06:50.42 | Guerout | and reading the /. trollpost about which linux distro to rule them all |
| 06:50.51 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:50.59 | mwilson | starseed: Except that it didn't, of course. |
| 06:51.05 | Guerout | crap, this terminal is dim |
| 06:51.06 | starseed | *sigh* |
| 06:51.15 | nvz | thats boredom.. reading ./ |
| 06:51.21 | mousex | nvz: what exactly is the problem with mozilla in parisc? is it the gecko engine that they don't get to work? |
| 06:51.21 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:51.44 | Thanatermesis | hello |
| 06:51.53 | mousex | Thanatermesis: hell-o |
| 06:51.56 | nvz | mousex: I don't know is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 06:52.07 | Thanatermesis | what are the posible frequency for a TFT 640x480 max ? |
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| 06:52.12 | fusibou | !sleep |
| 06:52.12 | dpkg | somebody said sleep was For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... |
| 06:52.28 | setuid_w00t | mwilson: I already did. Thanks for the attitude though. I needed that. |
| 06:52.31 | nvz | mousex: whats that got to do with the price of pierogies in da' burg, anyhow |
| 06:52.55 | mousex | nvz: since when do you 'bot' around? |
| 06:53.16 | Thanatermesis | please help to configure X server in a old portable computer (486/40Mhz 8 Mb ram, 150 Mb hard disk) |
| 06:53.20 | Thanatermesis | what are the posible frequency for a TFT 640x480 max ? |
| 06:53.35 | Thanatermesis | Im use xserver-svga |
| 06:53.56 | nvz | !+info xserver-svga |
| 06:53.58 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:53.59 | dpkg | Package 'xserver-svga' does not exist. |
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| 06:54.22 | zakame | hello |
| 06:54.32 | mousex | Thanatermesis: xfree v3 or v4? |
| 06:54.47 | Thanatermesis | dpkg xserver 3.3 for svga |
| 06:54.47 | dpkg | Thanatermesis: are you smoking crack? |
| 06:54.48 | nvz | xserver-svga hasnt existed in debian since like potato or something |
| 06:54.49 | fusibou | Thanatermesis sometimes it's on the back of your monitor; or in the back of its manual; or on manufacturer's website under specs |
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| 06:55.43 | Guerout | ah, that's better |
| 06:55.44 | Thanatermesis | dpkg xserver-svga exists :P |
| 06:55.44 | dpkg | Thanatermesis: wish i knew |
| 06:56.30 | nvz | Thanatermesis: dpkg is a bot, and as far as all current branches of debian are concerned it does not exist |
| 06:56.30 | Thanatermesis | fusibou is a portable computer TFT, not have specs |
| 06:56.30 | mousex | Thanatermesis: why not use vga instead of svga? after all, you don't have more than 640x480 . . . try the default settings for your monitor (in inches) |
| 06:56.44 | nvz | Thanatermesis: debian uses XFree86 4.x |
| 06:57.10 | Thanatermesis | yes mousex, is a 640x480... i need to configure the horizontal+vertical freq |
| 06:57.16 | Thanatermesis | nvz woody |
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| 06:57.30 | nvz | !info xserver-svga woody |
| 06:57.35 | dpkg | xserver-svga: (X server for SVGA graphics cards), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.3.6-44 (woody), Packaged size: 1311 kB, Installed size: 3212 kB |
| 06:58.06 | Kerr | what is the command to see mountable partitions/filesystems ? |
| 06:58.18 | fusibou | Thanatermesis mousex has good advice. put in the default ranges for vga |
| 06:58.18 | mousex | Thanatermesis: dpkg-reconfigure --config xserver-svga, and select "beginner" so it'll only ask you for the size of your monitor. It could work. |
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| 06:58.20 | Guerout | Kerr: fdisk -l |
| 06:58.20 | Thanatermesis | I don't have any information of this posible TFT 640x480 frequency |
| 06:58.46 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
| 06:58.48 | Kerr | trying to mount my old pc's reiserfs partition with mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb2 /backup and i'm getting some odd errors.. |
| 06:58.50 | starseed | Thanatermesis: have you tried google, I don't know off the top of my head , but I'll bet you anything the info is out there |
| 06:58.53 | ml267 | Thanatermesis : try 60hz vertical then, I guess |
| 06:58.58 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 06:59.04 | Thanatermesis | and horizontal ? |
| 06:59.04 | mousex | Kerr: what errors? |
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| 06:59.27 | maher | Thanatermesis: use the simple configuration option and it won't ask you |
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| 07:01.10 | mousex | Thanatermesis: are you sure you want to run X in that old thing, anyway? It might be sooo slow, and it will suck up your hard disk. |
| 07:01.34 | Kerr | O.O jebus herbet walter christ. its a 20gb drive not a 10, theres an ancient xp partition hiding there. |
| 07:01.40 | mousex | Thanatermesis: monkey-linux and turbo-linux are better than debian for old machines with little RAM/HD |
| 07:01.56 | Kerr | no wonder it didn't like being told it was reiser. dern ntfs. |
| 07:01.58 | fusibou | Thanatermesis 8mb RAM is really too little i think |
| 07:01.59 | mousex | and have a smaller X server as well |
| 07:02.02 | Thanatermesis | yes mousex, I like to test it, is a 40 Mhz cpu and 8 Mb ram, Im masochist :D |
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| 07:02.28 | Thanatermesis | yes, Im use a good little WM |
| 07:02.34 | mousex | Thanatermesis: I'm just saying that the X server in other distros would be more appropriate |
| 07:02.37 | fusibou | ugh. 2am. sleep time. |
| 07:02.53 | ml267 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.02 | Thanatermesis | Is more good to use 4.x or 3.3 xfree for this machine ? |
| 07:03.19 | ml267 | Thanatermesis : another, even smaller x server |
| 07:03.19 | Guerout | Thanatermesis: it's saner to use tinyx from slink or potato |
| 07:03.20 | Thanatermesis | I use debian mousex, Im don't like another distros... |
| 07:03.47 | Thanatermesis | Guerout how to donwload potato? debian are deleted potato :( |
| 07:03.47 | Guerout | Thanatermesis: I got source from sdn and built it on my sid box - didn't work, but it might with woody |
| 07:03.54 | Guerout | Thanatermesis: archive.d.o |
| 07:04.07 | Thanatermesis | o_O |
| 07:04.08 | mousex | How do I know if tar is doing anything? I didn't use verbose mode, and I don't hear any HD activity out of the ordinary . . . it's a 1GB partition I'm compressing. |
| 07:04.09 | Guerout | Thanatermesis: but you don't necessarily need/want the whole thing, just a forwardport |
| 07:04.26 | Guerout | but frankly, anyone trying to run an x server in 8MB gets what they deserve |
| 07:04.42 | ml267 | mousex: try 'top' |
| 07:04.45 | Thanatermesis | yes, is only for my curiosity and testing |
| 07:04.48 | Thanatermesis | Im like console |
| 07:04.48 | Guerout | mousex: tar doesn't compress |
| 07:04.51 | jim | when you're right you're right... I dunno what megan is except a major troll with countless issues |
| 07:04.58 | nvz | heh |
| 07:05.03 | Thanatermesis | I like to test X + enlightenment in this machine |
| 07:05.10 | mousex | Guerout: well, it's ark actually, making a .tar.gz file |
| 07:05.12 | Guerout | Thanatermesis: you sick bastard |
| 07:05.18 | nvz | jim: I knew you were talking to her |
| 07:05.22 | ml267 | jim: haha, you found out the hard way? |
| 07:05.25 | Thanatermesis | o_O Guerout? |
| 07:05.32 | jim | well, I had to give her a chance |
| 07:05.33 | Guerout | mousex: cpu usage |
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| 07:05.56 | ml267 | jim hasn't been hardened through countless years in #debian |
| 07:05.58 | mousex | cpu with ark <2% |
| 07:06.13 | jim | ml267: heh... wanna bet? :) |
| 07:06.15 | nvz | jim: I also know that if she registered DarkPaint last night none of this would have happened.. less people would have realized she was a female and she would have gotten her laptop working, walked her friend home, and they would both be sleeping soundly right now |
| 07:06.28 | Thanatermesis | o_O Guerout? |
| 07:06.30 | Guerout | Thanatermesis: people who like enchromenment are sick enough, but doing it on PC older than 10 years is just perverse |
| 07:06.41 | jim | if any of that story is even accurate |
| 07:06.42 | Guerout | mousex: don't use ark, it's shit. |
| 07:06.57 | mousex | Guerout: I see now . . . |
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| 07:07.06 | maher | nvz: how would you know someone called DarkPaint was female? |
| 07:07.12 | mousex | nvz: what did DarkPainter do last night? |
| 07:07.17 | nvz | maher: exactly |
| 07:07.23 | mousex | maher: test her log in "gernder genie" |
| 07:07.26 | Guerout | darkpainter was a class-A moron |
| 07:07.28 | mousex | maher: test her log in "gender genie" |
| 07:07.30 | jim | maher: the point was you wouldn't |
| 07:07.37 | Guerout | maher: gender genie? |
| 07:07.40 | Thanatermesis | Guerout: you sick bastard ? |
| 07:07.42 | jim | what's that? |
| 07:07.44 | Guerout | Thanatermesis: yes. |
| 07:07.50 | nvz | maher: if she would have kept that nick things would have worked out better |
| 07:08.02 | mousex | Gender Genie . . a nice algorith that looks for male/female patterns and gives you "points" for each possibility |
| 07:08.11 | Guerout | hehe, interesting |
| 07:08.22 | ml267 | female nicks get abused more? |
| 07:08.36 | Guerout | no, femal nicks typically get more attention and more patient help |
| 07:08.38 | jim | nvz: I dunno... something would still have happened eventually given what I just observed |
| 07:08.48 | maher | nvz: any darkpaint wouldn't do anything for his/herself and wanted step by step instructions for everything - i ignored them after a bit |
| 07:08.52 | Guerout | in #debian, at least |
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| 07:09.13 | nvz | maher: I know. I followed the issues from beginning to current all 3 identities |
| 07:09.20 | Guerout | they also get more BAD attention, so I wouldn't say it's necessarily a benefit to be a woman in here |
| 07:09.31 | Kerr | some chick on undernet tried to nickjupe me once. Does that count? |
| 07:09.35 | maher | if i was femle i wouldn't tell anyone here... |
| 07:09.42 | mousex | . . . especially not when Guerin issues an <erection alert> |
| 07:09.44 | ml267 | nickjupe? |
| 07:09.45 | mousex | :) |
| 07:09.48 | jim | nvz: do you have a log? I'd like to try gender geine :) |
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| 07:09.52 | ml267 | naher: me neither |
| 07:09.57 | Guerout | mousex: ... |
| 07:09.59 | nvz | jim: heh |
| 07:10.08 | mousex | Guerout: ;) |
| 07:10.11 | Kerr | ml267: steal nickname, far as i'm aware. |
| 07:10.14 | jim | I'm serious, I want to see :) |
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| 07:10.52 | jim | nvz: the only way that could be is if you have met her in person |
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| 07:11.27 | Kerr | wb xmms |
| 07:11.28 | Guerout | chealer: yeah, a few people have taken advantage of that |
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| 07:11.55 | jim | here we go :P |
| 07:11.58 | MobyTurbo | nvidia sucks |
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| 07:12.25 | mousex | How do you know DarkPainter isn't here under another nick? |
| 07:12.25 | Kerr | MobyTurbo: amen |
| 07:12.25 | jim | I don't, and don't care |
| 07:12.25 | nvz | jim: I dont assume anything, all I know is this user who claims to be from Cali, has an IP out of Atlanta, and uses a nick that is a pretty name commonly attributed to a female.. and that if this user had went with the more ambiguous nick would have not triggered the events here tonight |
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| 07:12.26 | maher | katyrocks was clearly totally clueless - i didn't mind helping him/her |
| 07:12.44 | nvz | I knew this when I said it some 24 hours or more ago |
| 07:12.48 | MobyTurbo | Kerr: I say that as the owner of a TNT2 M64 which with the latest, and for recent kernels required, drivers stopped supporting it. |
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| 07:12.54 | helloyo | damnit! this whole system is screwing up for no reason |
| 07:13.05 | ircdevil | !find tthnatbib.sty |
| 07:13.16 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'tthnatbib.sty' returned no results. |
| 07:13.20 | jim | nvz: it looks like san diego... or what's sd.sd? |
| 07:13.29 | nvz | jim: yep |
| 07:13.31 | MobyTurbo | now I have a choice of ATI who has sucky but working drivers, or giving money to a company that appears to be trying to force people to upgrade. |
| 07:13.31 | Kerr | MobyTurbo: i have one of them. It's sitting collecting dust inside my xfreeless ssh server |
| 07:13.36 | Guerout | ircdevil: ctan |
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| 07:13.47 | nvz | jim: the provider is based in atlanta, the node is in cali |
| 07:13.47 | ircdevil | Guerout: ok |
| 07:14.00 | Guerout | ircdevil: the site, not the package |
| 07:14.03 | ml267 | my logs have a lots of lines from ntpd reporting synchronisation lost.. is that normal? |
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| 07:14.41 | jim | ml267: ntp won't sync if the clock is already off by more than 1024 secs |
| 07:15.10 | Kerr | the nvidia drivers for my gforce 4 have b0rked xfree, on this box. the splash screen eats kdm, all i see is 'welcome to debian' 'username' and 'password' floating ontop of it. |
| 07:15.11 | ircdevil | Guerout: of cause :o) |
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| 07:15.46 | firestrm | how do i switch from stable to unstable ? |
| 07:15.51 | nvz | jim: I use samspade.org for most basic stuff. its a decent set of web-based tools you can configure your own page and save a cookie if you want.. its good not only for checking your own network from an outside perspective, but for doing stuff without it being relitivly traced back to you |
| 07:15.55 | Guerout | ircdevil: one should never undrestimate the stupidity of people in here; I apologise. |
| 07:16.03 | Guerout | firestrm: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 07:16.09 | Kerr | firestrm: cut one of your legs off and sway a little :D |
| 07:16.23 | Guerout | !kerr++ |
| 07:16.29 | firestrm | lol |
| 07:16.43 | ml267 | jim: sprinkled among the sync lost lines, there are some that say 'time reset 0.0000xxxx s' |
| 07:16.47 | MobyTurbo | Kerr: yeah, their support for older / cheaper cards is no longer existant. I heard they will fix that RSN, but in the meantime my video is too slow for DVDs (really the only reason I use the driver is for screen savers and Xv support) |
| 07:16.52 | mousex | finally . . . fileroller did the backup trick! GUIs rock! |
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| 07:17.13 | Kerr | Guerout: huh? |
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| 07:17.31 | nvz | I hate anything I have to reach for the mouse for.. heh |
| 07:17.45 | jim | ml267: try stoppping ntp and running ntpdate |
| 07:17.54 | mousex | nvz: I hate long command lines . . . |
| 07:17.54 | manchot | how to disable and enable certain services under debian? |
| 07:18.08 | firestrm | but seriously, i need to upgrade package exim to version 4, which is in unstable. debian stable on sparc hardware |
| 07:18.09 | manchot | if I configured kernel myself, do I need to disable 'discover'? how to disalbe it? |
| 07:18.17 | mousex | nvz: altough I must admit that I love using terminal windows and a command applet |
| 07:18.21 | GueVolt | How i remove a package and the depedences of this package from the aptitude? |
| 07:18.23 | mousex | nvz: they're practical |
| 07:18.38 | jim | but if that doesn't work, something else is wrong. you'd have to find out what |
| 07:18.42 | GueVolt | I tried using '-'.. but don't work... |
| 07:18.45 | nvz | mousex: oh well.. I have no shortage of memory, and I can type resonably fast |
| 07:19.04 | ml267 | jim: my clock still seems accurate tho. certainly not more than 1k secs out of sync |
| 07:19.17 | Guerout | !karma Kerr |
| 07:19.17 | dpkg | kerr has karma of 1 |
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| 07:19.25 | mousex | nvz: I type fast . . . but memory? My watch has a better memory than I do :) |
| 07:19.51 | jim | ml267: then find out from the docs or the server source what the message really means and why it is caused |
| 07:20.06 | firestrm | is there a way of upgrading only one package from unstable? |
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| 07:20.23 | Guerout | firestrm: yes and no. |
| 07:20.28 | xogon_ | firestrm: apt-get install package |
| 07:20.28 | mousex | manchot: /etc/init.d |
| 07:20.34 | Guerout | xogon_: you lose |
| 07:20.53 | Guerout | firestrm: if you're running stable, you really really don't want to |
| 07:20.58 | firestrm | xogon_, im running stable, and the package i want is unstable |
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| 07:21.06 | Guerout | !backports |
| 07:21.07 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 07:21.07 | xogon_ | ah thats a different question |
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| 07:21.29 | firestrm | Guerout, so then how do i upgrade to unstable? |
| 07:21.33 | Guerout | firestrm: you don't |
| 07:21.46 | Guerout | firestrm: you install a backport of that one package |
| 07:22.04 | ml267 | jim: the great thing about ntpd is that it comes with scarcely any doc, and website is of limited helpfulness when it comes to running the actual daemon.. |
| 07:22.09 | Kerr | Karma... reminds me of tonberries ~.~ nasty little creatures. |
| 07:22.29 | xogon_ | ml267: so make a cron job that runs rdate and hwclock |
| 07:22.33 | manchot | mousex: do I just remove the scripts under /etc/init.d? |
| 07:22.36 | mousex | firestrm: If you want to upgrade to unstable, though, change /etc/apt/sources.list so it's got "unstable", and then apt-get update, and finally apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:22.44 | mousex | manchot: yeah, once you find them |
| 07:22.44 | Kerr | Is there a way to disable the nvd splash screen? |
| 07:22.45 | Guerout | i just run ntpdate in cron.daily |
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| 07:22.48 | Kerr | nvidia^ |
| 07:22.50 | jim | firestrm: you could upgrade your whole installation to unstable... but people will tend to assume that you are an expert and know where to find information and will be expected to do so, if you do that |
| 07:23.05 | ecliptik | what's the program that puts out random quotes? Like what appears at the bottom of slashdot? |
| 07:23.19 | nvz | ecliptik: fortune? |
| 07:23.20 | mousex | ecliptik: fortune? |
| 07:23.20 | jim | you'd lose support and will have to support yourself |
| 07:23.25 | directhex | Kerr, yes. |
| 07:23.29 | Guerout | firestrm: the test of whether you're qualified to upgrade is if you can figure out how to DIY. NObody here will tell you. |
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| 07:23.32 | firestrm | jim, ive searched for that golden nugget, ive even tried some things ive read, all have failed.. |
| 07:23.32 | ecliptik | I thought it was fortune, but is there another? |
| 07:23.43 | nvz | mousex: you my proxy now? |
| 07:23.47 | Guerout | !tell firestrm about backports |
| 07:23.58 | mousex | nvz: hey, I type fast too . . . |
| 07:24.05 | jim | firestrm: if I were you, I'd build the source and forget about debian packaging for that software |
| 07:24.07 | Kerr | directhex: could you share this gem of information? |
| 07:24.15 | manchot | mousex: isn't there a command that start or stop those services? |
| 07:24.16 | jim | and again, you'd be supporting yourself there |
| 07:24.19 | jetscreamer | better than searching for that brown nugget i guess |
| 07:24.22 | Tabitha | ok.. I had to fiddle with this endlessly and through a combination of apt-get -f install, wget'ting packages directly off of packages.dotdeb.org and dpkg -i *.deb I was able to install a backported php4.3.10... my question now is, will apt-get update && apt-get upgrade pull updates off the correct repository (packages.dotdeb.org) or attempt to downgrade me to 4.1.2? |
| 07:24.24 | firestrm | Guerout, backport wont work for me, SPARC hardware.. good luck finding that package |
| 07:24.27 | mousex | machot: man discover |
| 07:24.37 | Guerout | firestrm: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 07:24.44 | jetscreamer | Tabitha, apt-pinning |
| 07:24.48 | mousex | machot: man initd |
| 07:24.49 | Guerout | firestrm: it's easy |
| 07:24.54 | xogon_ | Tabitha: it will not downgrade |
| 07:24.54 | Tabitha | jetscreamer: apt-pinning? |
| 07:24.58 | jim | Tabitha: could get weird. |
| 07:25.15 | Guerout | Tabitha: man apt_preferences |
| 07:25.27 | directhex | Kerr, Option "NoLogo" "yes" in your device section of xf86config-4 |
| 07:25.32 | maher | Tabitha: just use dselect and put = beside the non-standard packages |
| 07:25.44 | Guerout | directhex: optnion "NaomiWolf" "yes" |
| 07:25.57 | jim | dselect!! sheesh, you're going to subject someone to -that-?! |
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| 07:26.09 | ml267 | jim: i still swear by it |
| 07:26.16 | jim | ugh :) |
| 07:26.19 | Tabitha | I just want to be sure to pull updates from the right place and semi-automatically instead of this nonsense with having to wget three hundred .deb files ;) |
| 07:26.21 | Eclipser | dselect is evil |
| 07:26.25 | nvz | I'd like to find a freeware program like that program EyeQ I tried.. I am a believer.. those exercizes seemed to double my reading speed every time |
| 07:26.27 | jetscreamer | Tabitha, i don't know exactly what to tell you to man, but apt-pinning is telling it to prefer certain sources over others for certain files or a whole section or... |
| 07:26.33 | xogon_ | keybindings in it are crud |
| 07:26.36 | jetscreamer | ~apt-pinning |
| 07:26.41 | Guerout | Tabitha: man apt_preferences; man sources.list |
| 07:26.42 | ml267 | jim: tho i do find synaptic pretty on my ubuntu box |
| 07:26.44 | jim | I got mad at it before apt-get was even planned |
| 07:26.49 | nvz | mousex: why are you /msg'ing me :P |
| 07:26.59 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 07:27.10 | nvz | when I am over here trying to rest mine eyeballs . . . |
| 07:27.13 | ml267 | dselect makes apt-get obsolete! lol |
| 07:27.15 | mousex | nvz: . . . |
| 07:27.21 | Tabitha | hmm.. so I make these package pins for every single package? |
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| 07:27.30 | jetscreamer | dselect is >* for dependency fullfilment |
| 07:27.37 | jetscreamer | period |
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| 07:27.46 | maher | Tabitha: how many extra packages did yo uinstall - if they have higher version numbers youshould be ok anyway |
| 07:28.01 | ml267 | yeah, and I get to see the list of recommendataions, etc. it's still the best pacakge manager available |
| 07:28.06 | jetscreamer | Tabitha, not nec. for every package, maybe, but i'm not sure. |
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| 07:28.30 | Kerr | Ah... wonderful. now instead of seeing 'welcome to linux at rain' in black over the nvidia splash i se 'Kerr' in white, over plain black. |
| 07:28.32 | mousex | nvz: do you still have the headers package for the 2.6.10-rc1-pa17 kernel you gave me? I'd like to compile a CD-ROM module. |
| 07:28.32 | ml267 | i just wish for some more sorting and filtering functions in dselect |
| 07:28.35 | Kerr | damned nvidia.. |
| 07:28.38 | nvz | Piglet: everything alright? |
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| 07:28.48 | jim | Tabitha: or! do the same thing I'm suggesting to the other guy: build up everything needed for your web service server yourself, in a dir that will never be considered as a system or well-known place, and will never be touched by dpkg or anything like it |
| 07:28.49 | ferris | Faithful |
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| 07:29.17 | nvz | mousex: you are constantly confusing me with someone else I think.. first mozilla now kernel 2.6.10? |
| 07:29.18 | Tabitha | maher: looks like ~34 |
| 07:29.31 | maher | Tabitha: do they all have higher version numbers? |
| 07:29.41 | manchot_ | what's the difference between this channel and that one on freenode? |
| 07:29.44 | nvz | mousex: either that or I am not only IRC'ing in my sleep still.. I am not remembering it |
| 07:29.49 | dondelelcaro | jim: ugh. that's so completely not the way to do it... |
| 07:29.49 | xogon_ | why bypass debian's package mangement? what's the rationale for that? |
| 07:29.54 | dondelelcaro | manchot_: this is the one on #freenode |
| 07:29.55 | manchot_ | I use the the server /server irc.debian.org, same thing? |
| 07:29.56 | jetscreamer | Kerr, i dunno if you want this, but Option"NoLogo""1" works |
| 07:29.57 | dondelelcaro | s/#// |
| 07:30.05 | mousex | nvz: oh, right, it's just that nvz is pretty danm similar to nvx . . . sorry |
| 07:30.05 | dondelelcaro | manchot_: yerp. it points to irc.freenode.net |
| 07:30.06 | ml267 | jim: and take no advantage of debian package system? blasphemy |
| 07:30.12 | Tabitha | maher: yes |
| 07:30.24 | xogon_ | basically i think a lot of the advice given to tabitha was shit |
| 07:30.24 | jim | dondelelcaro: and yet if you don't want to be controloed by the debian packaging system, that is the only way to go |
| 07:30.25 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: what you really want is a backport of php4 to whatever version of Debian you're running |
| 07:30.36 | xogon_ | if the version is higher then it should not need to be pinned |
| 07:30.38 | jim | I'm a dd... and sometimes I make that decision |
| 07:30.44 | nvz | mousex: yeah well check debstats for the last 3 years and the similarities start to fade away |
| 07:30.47 | dondelelcaro | jim: the whole point of a packaging system is to use it... |
| 07:30.48 | xogon_ | apt-get upgrade won't downgrade it |
| 07:30.57 | maher | Tabitha: try apt-get --dry-run --no-download upgrade and see if it wants to upgrade anything |
| 07:30.58 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: amen |
| 07:31.10 | Tabitha | dondelelcaro: I installed the backported php4 packages... 4.3.10 vs. stable's 4.1.2 |
| 07:31.11 | mousex | nvz: it wasn't even in #debian but #linux . . . my fault. I really need to improve my memory! :) |
| 07:31.18 | dondelelcaro | jim: there's nothing wrong with making your own packages if you need something special, but circumventing them is pointless. |
| 07:31.23 | ml267 | jim: goin' slack.. heh |
| 07:31.23 | nvz | simonrvn: your bot was speaking at me in french earlier, whats up with that :P |
| 07:31.25 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: ah, good. |
| 07:31.38 | Thanatermesis | what are the equivalent to SVGA in xfree 4.x ? vesa? vga? |
| 07:31.41 | simonrvn | nvz: it as taught french |
| 07:31.45 | Tabitha | dondelelcaro: problem now is that it seems apt-get wants to downgrade at least two of the packages |
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| 07:31.53 | jim | dondelelcaro: the whole point of a packaging system is to keep things stable and working together. As a sysadmin, I reserve and demand the right to do it how I want... which debian happily offers in the person of gcc and friends. |
| 07:31.53 | Tabitha | and wouldn't retreive them from the repository |
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| 07:31.59 | mousex | Thanatermesis: there isn't one |
| 07:32.04 | jetscreamer | hold them or pin them |
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| 07:32.10 | dondelelcaro | jim: you can always do what you want within the context of the packaging system |
| 07:32.12 | Tabitha | but.. what if an update is made? |
| 07:32.14 | mousex | Thanatermesis: you either use vesa, or the right driver or framebuffer |
| 07:32.15 | ml267 | Thanatermesis: xfree 4.x still has xserver-svga, tho you can try the others |
| 07:32.22 | jetscreamer | know if it is and deal with it |
| 07:32.31 | Tabitha | what a pain ;) |
| 07:32.32 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: hrm... paste the output of apt-get into #flood, along with the apt-cache output for those packages |
| 07:32.35 | jim | dondelelcaro: and I can also go outside that context if I don't feel like dealing with it |
| 07:32.37 | mousex | ml267: it has an svga? |
| 07:32.38 | notty | hello, i am trying to install the ati drivers as the adi debian howto instroctions, but i can't get it working, can someone help me ? |
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| 07:32.51 | jetscreamer | there's always sarge, but i'm thinking you have a server |
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| 07:33.09 | maher | Tabitha: try and see - if it doesn't want to upgrade you don't have to worry - it'll keep thehiger numbers |
| 07:33.09 | nvz | most latin based languages I can follow, french seems to give me problems its foreign to me |
| 07:33.09 | ml267 | mousex : oh wait, it doesn't. my bad |
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| 07:33.18 | dondelelcaro | jim: clearly. But that doesn't make it the best choice, especially for people who are having problems with the packaging system iteslf. |
| 07:33.30 | Tabitha | dondelelcaro: done :) |
| 07:33.35 | jim | that may be |
| 07:33.40 | Tabitha | though.. I have no idea what an apt-cache output is ;) |
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| 07:33.40 | ml267 | Thanatermesis : xfree 4 is where they unified most of the drivers into one phat server |
| 07:33.54 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: apt-cache show php4-dev php4-pear |
| 07:34.02 | ml267 | !dd |
| 07:34.02 | dpkg | it has been said that dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer |
| 07:34.04 | mousex | anyone know of a tool in debian to recover DOS partitions? |
| 07:34.10 | GueVolt | How i remove a package and its depedences using the aptitude? I tried use '-' and 'd' but don't worked fine... some idea? |
| 07:34.11 | simonrvn | nvz: um, it's more romance than english will ever be (even though anything over 2 syllables in english is from french anyway, or another language) |
| 07:34.17 | jetscreamer | ml267, it was a play on words |
| 07:34.23 | Thanatermesis | is very dificult to launch this TFT refresh... :S |
| 07:34.27 | jim | one problem you'll experience, is when you upgrade the debian far enough, it could cause what you build yourself to stop working |
| 07:34.28 | mousex | GueVolt: use apt-get instead. apt-get remove package_name |
| 07:34.28 | nvz | simonrvn: heh |
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| 07:34.34 | maher | mousex: dosfsck can try to |
| 07:34.39 | ml267 | jetscreamer : i wasn't sure what DD was myself. |
| 07:34.41 | RandallPPC | Anyone know if firefox on linux should be storing any geometry information? It always starts up in a uselessly small window. |
| 07:34.43 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:34.43 | mousex | mather: thanks |
| 07:34.46 | maher | mousex: i've done it by hand with dd and hexedit.... |
| 07:34.46 | GueVolt | mousex: i want use the aptitude... |
| 07:34.50 | jetscreamer | i meant the last definition |
| 07:35.06 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: also check /etc/apt/preferences to make sure that you're not forcing those packages to downgrade |
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| 07:35.22 | nvz | simonrvn: seeing your view on my broken language, makes me appreciate the way the bobble-headed canadians are depicted on south-park |
| 07:35.23 | mousex | mather: good lord! hex-editing erased formats! |
| 07:35.26 | simonrvn | RandallPPC: should be. it does "forget" it sometimes |
| 07:35.29 | ml267 | mousex: I think parted might help there too |
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| 07:35.32 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: also check /etc/apt/preferences to make sure that you're not forcing those packages to downgrade |
| 07:35.36 | Tabitha | well then ;) |
| 07:35.39 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: you may want to use the paster bot instead... |
| 07:35.39 | mousex | mather: (sounds like fun, though) |
| 07:35.41 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 07:35.41 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 07:35.48 | maher | mousex: no - it wasn't fun |
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| 07:36.00 | simonrvn | nvz: what? |
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| 07:36.06 | mousex | maher: then why did you do it by hand? |
| 07:36.09 | ml267 | maher: yeah, I really fscked up my mbr that way |
| 07:36.11 | RandallPPC | simon: Seems to forget roughly every time for me. |
| 07:36.13 | ml267 | pun intended |
| 07:36.17 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: apt-cache policy; will also be useful |
| 07:36.34 | nvz | on south park the canadians all have like two piece heads |
| 07:36.42 | maher | mousex: cos the mbr was hosed in a way the automatic tools couldn't fix - i had to fix it manually |
| 07:36.45 | nvz | its funny looking |
| 07:36.55 | simonrvn | bobble-heads |
| 07:37.02 | paster | "Tabitha" at 69.242.53.180 pasted "4# apt-cache show php4-dev php" (133 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/227 |
| 07:37.13 | mousex | maher: how can you open a partition with a hex editor if it's got no format, and therefore can't be mounted? |
| 07:37.19 | ml267 | who's making fun of canadians, eh? |
| 07:37.20 | maher | mousex: cat / dd |
| 07:37.27 | simonrvn | nvz: i know what a bobble-head is, but i don't get the rest of what you said |
| 07:37.43 | simonrvn | ml267: eh? |
| 07:38.06 | nvz | heh |
| 07:38.11 | jim | Tabitha: so you have a choice... you can build up the whole web architecture yourself, or install a different version of debian that has what you want (incl. upgrading thereto). and these are not your only choices. |
| 07:38.32 | mousex | does anybody have a joke? this caffein isn't helping . . . |
| 07:38.37 | maher | Tabitha: you could install testing/unstable in a chroot |
| 07:38.41 | nvz | you making fun of english just makes me appreciate the canadian humor in those characters |
| 07:38.54 | xogon_ | i have a question. is it worth building a single package with apt-build, for example vlc, when vlc is dependent upon so many other packages - will the optimizations matter? |
| 07:38.54 | nvz | thats how we think of you guys |
| 07:38.56 | ml267 | so a man with a duck on his head walks into a bar.. |
| 07:38.59 | RandallPPC | thanks |
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| 07:39.01 | simonrvn | nvz: ooh, i see |
| 07:39.01 | mousex | nvz: try a very canadian phrase, "take off, eh" |
| 07:39.06 | Eclipser | mousex, why did the mathbook cry? |
| 07:39.08 | maher | xogon: maybe - try it and see |
| 07:39.09 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: you want to change your pinning for stable back to 500, and set the pinning for the backport packages to > 100; |
| 07:39.23 | Tabitha | maher: I don't understand how that helps? |
| 07:39.25 | mousex | Eclipser: it couldn't integrate itself? . . . I don't know |
| 07:39.26 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: then use aptitude to explicitely install the versions of php that you want. |
| 07:39.32 | Eclipser | mousex, it had too many problems |
| 07:39.38 | maher | Tabitha: helps what? |
| 07:39.39 | mousex | lol |
| 07:39.48 | mousex | Eclipser: :) |
| 07:39.56 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: what you've got set now will downgrade to packages in stable, which isn't what you want. |
| 07:40.05 | xogon_ | maher: i just wonder if the apparent benefit of building packages is an illusion because most packages really involve a high number of other packages |
| 07:40.06 | jim | mousex: what do you get when you cross an elephant with a mountain climber? |
| 07:40.07 | maher | Tabitha: it means if testing gets hosed it doesn't take your machine down completely |
| 07:40.07 | nvz | of course we are ignorant, and raped language.. so what do we know |
| 07:40.12 | jetscreamer | aptitude, alsa, and grub... 3 things that never work out_of_the_box for me |
| 07:40.24 | mousex | jim: hmm . .. . |
| 07:40.34 | Tabitha | so... edit /etc/apt/preferences and change 1001 to 500 for stable? |
| 07:40.35 | maher | xogon: but you may be able to build it on stable without building those it depends on |
| 07:40.36 | mousex | jim: a fat moneky |
| 07:40.38 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: yeah. |
| 07:40.41 | firestrm | ive added deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable woody/exim4/ to my sources.list, but it 404's when i try it. deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable woody/exim4/ im using the instructions right on the half finished backports.org site.. |
| 07:40.42 | mousex | jim: a fat monkey |
| 07:40.48 | jim | mousex: nope... |
| 07:40.52 | mousex | jim: give up |
| 07:41.01 | Tabitha | well now it wants to update apache.. wtf? |
| 07:41.04 | simonrvn | nvz: that french i spoke of FYI, comes from the norman invasion. 1033 IIRC |
| 07:41.09 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: and change the 500 ones to 99 or 101 depending on what you want to do. |
| 07:41.10 | jim | you -cannot- cross them! the mountain climber is a scalar! |
| 07:41.23 | ml267 | mousex : that's exactly the answer.. 'give up'... heh |
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| 07:41.28 | jetscreamer | firestrm, i 'think you want it to read stable/exim4/ or woody/exim4/ not both, but i'm not sure. |
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| 07:41.29 | mousex | jim: oh, my . . . lol |
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| 07:41.34 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.46 | notty | anyone here has any experience with the ati drivers ? |
| 07:41.47 | mousex | jim: comes great when I'm doing vectors homework for physics . . . |
| 07:41.53 | Tabitha | just randomly pick 99 or 101? |
| 07:41.58 | firestrm | jetscreamer, thanks.. i was suspecting that. but not sure |
| 07:42.08 | nvz | simonrvn: someone mistakenly said something to ravenbird earlier, and created a useless factoid, and after asking ravenbird to forget it, I said 'botsnack' and it said something to me in french *shrug* |
| 07:42.12 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: well, depends what behavoir you want... 99 is probably conservative... but 101 will work in most cases. |
| 07:42.14 | Eclipser | notty, some |
| 07:42.15 | jim | mousex: I wasn't going to tell you that, but you said the i word |
| 07:42.20 | simonrvn | nvz: i see. heh |
| 07:42.29 | jetscreamer | firestrm, i'm not sure about the /exim4/ part either, but i know absolutely nothing about that. |
| 07:42.31 | Tabitha | dondelelcaro: and I add that to /etc/apt/preferences as well? |
| 07:42.39 | mousex | jim: the "i" word? |
| 07:42.44 | jim | integrate |
| 07:42.45 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: see man apt_preferences; and the "How APT Interprets Priorities" for more information |
| 07:42.54 | notty | Eclipser, i can't get it to work, i can insert the module into the kernel, don't understand why i folllow the instruction step by step |
| 07:43.02 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: yeah... |
| 07:43.11 | jim | I still wasn't sure whether you were that far along or not, but I gave it a shot |
| 07:43.12 | Eclipser | notty, try to be more specific :) |
| 07:43.22 | jetscreamer | !ati |
| 07:43.22 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 07:43.23 | Eclipser | notty, does dmesg say it's loaded? |
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| 07:43.46 | jim | Eclipser: you had to be there... where? in calculus III... |
| 07:43.58 | notty | Eclipser, no, can i paste u something at pastebin ? |
| 07:44.02 | Tabitha | dondelelcaro: I don't see anything in there about pinning repositories.. only individual packages? |
| 07:44.06 | Eclipser | notty, sure |
| 07:44.07 | jim | I prequalified the joke |
| 07:44.15 | Eclipser | jim, uhm, most likely not :) |
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| 07:44.38 | mousex | jim, Eclipser: All the numbers, constants, and variables were at a party, but e^x was sitting all by itself. So c^2 told him, c'mon, why don't you come "integrate" in the party? e^x says, why? it wouldn't make any difference! |
| 07:44.45 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: Package: *; Pin: origin... will pin the repository |
| 07:44.56 | Eclipser | mousex, :DD |
| 07:45.01 | jim | heh |
| 07:45.10 | mousex | <old joke> |
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| 07:45.18 | mousex | <geeky and stupid, but funny> |
| 07:45.24 | notty | Eclipser, http://www.pastebin.com/236110 |
| 07:45.26 | nvz | well if I am gonna rest my eyes before the migrain and halycination starts.. I might as well do it while its still dark.. |
| 07:45.29 | Eclipser | all jokes are old to the one who tells them |
| 07:45.44 | Ashtars_fanclub | anyone knows how to configure mouse, speed and resolution? |
| 07:45.45 | jim | yeah, now I have another one to tell my old math prof |
| 07:45.49 | mousex | nvz: good idea |
| 07:45.55 | jim | he really liked the scalar one |
| 07:46.06 | Tabitha | so... Package: *; Pin: origin packages.dotdeb.org; Pin-priority: 101? |
| 07:46.27 | xogon_ | Ashtars_fanclub: man xset |
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| 07:50.55 | jetscreamer | Ashtars_fanclub, http://www.google.com/linux?q=tweak+mouse&restrict=linux |
| 07:50.55 | mousex | jim: shouldn't the elephant be the scalar? scalars don't have a direction, only magnitude (or is it the other way around) |
| 07:50.55 | zhyfly | i have some thing wrong with my mouse in debian |
| 07:50.55 | firestrm | im getting the feeling that although debian runs quicker than solaris on sparc hardware, im better going back to sparc, because the only stable release of debian is 1000 years old.. |
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| 07:50.56 | jetscreamer | zhyfly, that's one hell of a detailed error report |
| 07:50.56 | Ashtars_fanclub | xogon_: xset is no use already set to lowest value |
| 07:50.56 | mousex | hum . . . weird. After a digital camera screwed up my CF card, it shows up blank in my PDA and camera, but all the files are there when I mount it in Debian. |
| 07:50.56 | ml267 | firestrm : the only stable release of debian for x86 is also 1000 years old. ; ) |
| 07:50.56 | Ashtars_fanclub | still too fast and inaccurate this razer diamondback usb |
| 07:50.56 | Eclipser | notty, sorry I've never encountered that, can't help you :( |
| 07:50.56 | zhyfly | just my mouse couldnot locate occurately |
| 07:50.56 | notty | Eclipser, ok :( |
| 07:50.56 | ml267 | zhyfly: jerky movements? |
| 07:50.56 | xogon_ | Ashtars_fanclub: maybe read the mouse doc under /usr/share/doc/xserver... and see if it mentions your type |
| 07:50.56 | ml267 | zhyfly: in console or in X? |
| 07:50.56 | zhyfly | in X |
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| 07:50.56 | zhyfly | not jerky |
| 07:50.56 | zhyfly | for example |
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| 07:50.56 | jetscreamer | !enter |
| 07:50.56 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 07:50.57 | mousex | What's an "MO device?" |
| 07:50.58 | firestrm | what the heck do they mean by this, replace 'package' with source package name as debian/pool directories |
| 07:50.58 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: yeah, sounds good |
| 07:50.58 | firestrm | ive tried everything and still 404 |
| 07:50.58 | zhyfly | if i want click the button , i cannot click it by put mouse on it, but put it about 1cm away the location i want to click |
| 07:50.58 | Ashtars_fanclub | xogon_: i'm pretty sure it wouldnt since my mouse is newer than the xserver (sarge) |
| 07:50.58 | dondelelcaro | firestrm: packages are placed into pools using the source package name, not the name of the binary package |
| 07:50.58 | Tabitha | dondelelcaro: Seems to have worked.. it no longer wants me to downgrade. |
| 07:50.58 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: cool. |
| 07:50.58 | zhyfly | what's wrong about this phonomenon |
| 07:50.58 | Tabitha | dondelelcaro: thanks for the pointers :) |
| 07:51.03 | ml267 | mousex : probably just an indexing file was messed up by the camera |
| 07:51.09 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: you'll have to specify the version you want installed using apt-get install foopkg=fooversion; but that's pretty easy. |
| 07:51.17 | dondelelcaro | Tabitha: np. (aptitude will also make the above easy) |
| 07:51.32 | mousex | ml267: any idea how to find out what exactly what's wrong, and how to fix it? |
| 07:51.50 | mousex | firestrm: isn't the latest solaris as old as woody? |
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| 07:51.56 | ml267 | mousex : I would save off the pictures first. if they're of any value to you |
| 07:52.21 | zhyfly | i have reinstalled my system , but some times later the same question happened |
| 07:52.21 | firestrm | dondelelcaro, so i should use /debian/dists/woody/exim4/source/ ? |
| 07:52.21 | mousex | ml267: done that |
| 07:52.21 | Ashtars_fanclub | is xorg even comming to sarge? |
| 07:52.22 | jetscreamer | one day |
| 07:52.24 | ml267 | mousex : then the course of action is your guess as good as mine :) |
| 07:52.26 | mousex | Ashtars_fanclub: is it even in sid? |
| 07:52.27 | jetscreamer | month...year... |
| 07:52.28 | dondelelcaro | firestrm: no... exim4 isn't in woody. |
| 07:52.34 | mousex | ml267: :) |
| 07:52.42 | jetscreamer | exim is woody |
| 07:52.43 | Ashtars_fanclub | ...when the sun shines and the grass is green |
| 07:52.46 | jetscreamer | exim4 is sarge |
| 07:52.51 | zhyfly | who have met the same problem? |
| 07:52.52 | jetscreamer | defaults |
| 07:52.56 | alx242 | my work is forcing me to switch from debian to fedora core, the basis...we need to conform and dont wont to maintain multiple platforms. This is my own devel environment so of course I wanna keep it to my fav OS...anyone wanna gimme some reasons to give to the BOFH about keeping my OS? |
| 07:52.58 | ml267 | mousex : maybe clear it all, use it in the camera for a few shots.. then copy all the pictures back in |
| 07:53.04 | jetscreamer | zhyfly, apparently Ashtars_fanclub |
| 07:53.25 | firestrm | dondelelcaro, in backports.org it is |
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| 07:53.34 | mousex | ml267: could it be that the camera doesn't support big CF cards? Maybe it can only handle 512MB . . . |
| 07:53.36 | zhyfly | jetscreamer, what? |
| 07:53.38 | dondelelcaro | firestrm: and if it were, it would be http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/exim4/ |
| 07:53.45 | jetscreamer | alx242, downtime learning new (and stupid) ways of doing linux? |
| 07:54.04 | ml267 | mousex: the card's never worked properly in that camera? |
| 07:54.12 | dondelelcaro | firestrm: but backports.org gives you the exact sources.list line to use in their documentation, so there's no need to go flailing around for it |
| 07:54.17 | alx242 | jetscreamer: downtime as in installing and learning new stuff for me? |
| 07:54.20 | zhyfly | who is Ashtars_fanclub ? |
| 07:54.24 | rrk | alx242 rpms |
| 07:54.25 | Ashtars_fanclub | ^^ |
| 07:54.27 | jetscreamer | alx242, all i got.. yeah that |
| 07:54.29 | ml267 | mousex : i kind of doubt it would have that kind of limitation... |
| 07:54.30 | mousex | ml267: I've only tried this card in that camera once. Another 16MB card worked just fine. |
| 07:54.32 | nvz | alx242: |
| 07:54.34 | alx242 | rrk: definatly a big flaw! |
| 07:54.35 | Ashtars_fanclub | just a random wanker |
| 07:54.41 | zhyfly | Ashtars_fanclub,you have met this question before? |
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| 07:54.50 | mousex | ml267: some PDAs have a 1.5GB limit . . . |
| 07:54.57 | firestrm | dondelelcaro, no they dont, they give deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable package ... |
| 07:55.06 | jetscreamer | zhyfly, iirc that's what he/she's trying to fix, along with a bit more |
| 07:55.06 | alx242 | jetscreamer: sweet! |
| 07:55.14 | firestrm | dondelelcaro, where package is replaced by this pool thingy |
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| 07:55.24 | rrk | alx242 give bohf fedora 3 and make it work |
| 07:55.26 | dondelelcaro | firestrm: no, where package is replaced by exim4 |
| 07:55.32 | nvz | power surge in the nvz hologram... disregaurd that spurious empty message |
| 07:55.33 | Ashtars_fanclub | my usb mouse is very fast and inaccurate, while atleast it should be very fast and accurate |
| 07:55.41 | alx242 | rrk: as it is broken or? |
| 07:55.43 | dondelelcaro | firestrm: so it'll be http://www.backports.org/debian stable exim4 |
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| 07:55.45 | digress | how can I make ssh run at startup? |
| 07:55.57 | mousex | Ashtars_fanclub: I'd think it's the mouse operator . . . |
| 07:56.01 | digress | what file controls start-up commands . . . do I need to make some script . . .? |
| 07:56.06 | firestrm | dondelelcaro, is that it.. geez they make it confusing enough.. i'll try that.. thanks |
| 07:56.09 | jetscreamer | digress, rename /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
| 07:56.10 | Ashtars_fanclub | mouse operator? |
| 07:56.20 | mousex | digress: boot-time commands? /etc/init.d |
| 07:56.24 | digress | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 07:56.26 | rrk | the wizards change with every version and break lots of things |
| 07:56.31 | digress | mousex, perfect, thanks |
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| 07:57.06 | mousex | digress: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh can be used to start up anything you'd like, too :) |
| 07:57.11 | Ashtars_fanclub | acctually its supposed to be the most accurate of all mice, maybe rats too |
| 07:57.25 | mousex | Ashtars_fanclub: lol |
| 07:57.27 | Comrade_Fool | ummm, is there a faster alternative to /dev/urandom? mine only cranks at 4Mbytes/s |
| 07:57.37 | alx242 | anyone know if fedora core works with LSB or not? |
| 07:57.39 | jetscreamer | mousex, even if /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run is present? |
| 07:57.44 | rrk | alx242 if you are not buyong support debian is a factor 10 easier to update and keep current |
| 07:57.54 | ml267 | Ashtars_fanclub: you've already tried xset and fiddling with your xf86config file? |
| 07:58.08 | mousex | jetscreamer: yes; bootmisc.sh will run whatever you place there, even sshd |
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| 07:58.20 | alx242 | rrk: yeah i know why i loooove it...just wanna give some reasons why I shouldnt need the switch... |
| 07:58.27 | jetscreamer | mousex, even if /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run is present? |
| 07:58.32 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:58.51 | Ashtars_fanclub | ml267: only alittle i dont know enough, atleast xset m 0 doesnt slow it down enough |
| 07:58.52 | mousex | jetscreamer: /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run only controlls it's own script in /etc/init.d, but not /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 07:59.00 | maher | Comrade_Fool: see if you mb has a built in random number generator |
| 07:59.01 | jetscreamer | ahhhh |
| 07:59.03 | mousex | ^conrols |
| 07:59.34 | firestrm | backport doesnt work, no binary for sparc avail |
| 08:00.03 | jetscreamer | go sarge, stay woody, or go back to what's it called |
| 08:00.05 | mousex | ml267: danm it . . . the camera formats CF cards by default when they don't have it's directory structure! Never buy vivitar digital cameras! |
| 08:00.14 | Comrade_Fool | maher: mmmm, not that i know about. besides /dev/urandom is just a PRNG, i dont need high quality random |
| 08:00.26 | rrk | alx242 package choice-- apt --and lack of version dependent whizards are the main reasons |
| 08:00.38 | maher | Comrade_Fool: /dev/random is low quality random |
| 08:00.43 | ml267 | mousex: yikes |
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| 08:00.57 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:01.06 | mousex | ml267: it even does a cheap job at formating . . . which was fortunate |
| 08:01.22 | Comrade_Fool | maher: oh? 'low'? would you think it worth replacing it with EGD or something of the like? |
| 08:01.24 | ml267 | Ashtars_fanclub: make sure your x config has the right "driver" for your mouse |
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| 08:01.33 | alx242 | rrk: thnx! will fight for my right to OS...;) |
| 08:01.35 | hever | Hello, I've installed Netbeans as root and I'm logged in now as normal user but under gnome there is no Netbeans link in the menu under developing... |
| 08:01.37 | rrk | alx242 plus debian security updates are as good or better than redhats patches |
| 08:01.45 | alx242 | rrk: indeed! |
| 08:01.52 | ml267 | alx242 : are you just arguing for your own machine, or for a whole corp? |
| 08:01.54 | mousex | hever: run: update-menus |
| 08:02.01 | jetscreamer | hever, how about in the debian portion of the gnome menu |
| 08:02.03 | alx242 | ml267: just my own machine...its *sic* |
| 08:02.06 | Ashtars_fanclub | ml267: iäve also tried alittle in the XF86Config, lowering resolution by setting a low resolution value but there are probably more switches that i dont know, i dont think that is possible, razer diamondback is a recent production |
| 08:02.27 | ml267 | Ashtars_fanclub: you probably want to set a higher resolution? |
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| 08:02.42 | Ashtars_fanclub | u sure? |
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| 08:02.43 | maher | Comrade_Fool: sorry - i was confused - /dev/urandom is prng and random is real random |
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| 08:02.50 | rrk | alx242 commercial support is about debians only drawback |
| 08:03.02 | hever | mousex, I run it in console but its still not there |
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| 08:03.12 | maher | rrk: you can buy support for debian if you want |
| 08:03.24 | mousex | hever: what about the debian menu? is it there? |
| 08:03.25 | Ashtars_fanclub | i tried resolution 6400 whith no effect |
| 08:03.33 | alx242 | rrk: im not even sure they use redhats official support...besides isnt fedora excluded from that support or? |
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| 08:03.38 | ml267 | Ashtars_fanclub: experiment :) |
| 08:03.43 | jetscreamer | Ashtars_fanclub, if you read german, http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/archive/index.php/t-161207.html |
| 08:03.44 | Ashtars_fanclub | brb |
| 08:03.54 | Ashtars_fanclub | i'll try bablefish |
| 08:03.58 | rrk | maher yes but it does not come with a Big Name |
| 08:03.59 | ml267 | Ashtars_fanclub : there might be only a valid range... beyond which the default gets applied |
| 08:04.03 | notty | if there is someone that has any ideea what can i do about this : http://www.pastebin.com/236110 please help |
| 08:04.07 | mousex | hever: gnome only places menu entries for gnome applications; netbeans isn't one |
| 08:04.19 | hever | mousex, jethro it is not in the debian menu |
| 08:04.20 | Ashtars_fanclub | ml267: yea that is possible |
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| 08:04.36 | Guerout | rrk: debian has tons of companies and individuals willing to provide support contracts |
| 08:04.43 | hever | mousex, but last time I installed it it was automatically there and under root its still there |
| 08:04.44 | Guerout | rrk: debian.org/contractors |
| 08:04.52 | mousex | hever: did you install the SDK, or only the common files? |
| 08:04.52 | rrk | yep |
| 08:04.54 | maher | rrk: yeah - hp are kind of 2 bit |
| 08:04.55 | jetscreamer | heh jetero |
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| 08:04.59 | mousex | hever: oh |
| 08:05.14 | hever | mousex, I installed just netbeans the jdk from sun |
| 08:05.16 | jetscreamer | hever, just make a desktop icon for it then |
| 08:05.34 | mousex | hever: run update-menus as root . . . and log out. That might fix it. |
| 08:05.36 | jetscreamer | shortcut, whatever |
| 08:05.48 | hever | I gonna do this... thanks! |
| 08:05.54 | jetscreamer | menu shit is fuxored for linux in general imo |
| 08:06.06 | jetscreamer | windows wins there |
| 08:06.06 | mousex | jetscreamer: it sure is |
| 08:06.36 | mousex | jetscreamer: except window$ gives you too many menu entries IMHO |
| 08:06.59 | jetscreamer | easy to delete em... i can't just click delete in gnome or kde |
| 08:07.16 | mousex | jetscreamer: have you heard of the "Windows lnk file forwarded" utility in KDE? |
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| 08:07.46 | jetscreamer | no, i don't do much kde... trying it again a little though, installed it a week ago i think |
| 08:07.51 | Ashtars_fanclub | jetscreamer: the german forum didnt help |
| 08:07.56 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 08:08.26 | mousex | Ashtars_fanclub: debianhelp.org |
| 08:08.58 | mousex | jetscreamer: I find KDE far more complete and better integrated than gnome, but it's too bloaded as well |
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| 08:09.20 | DerJamster | way too bloated, considering its Debian dependencies. |
| 08:09.56 | jetscreamer | Ashtars_fanclub, you won't like http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=2069 then, it says it "just works"(tm) |
| 08:10.27 | jetscreamer | yeah don't do kde metapackages is the way to install kde |
| 08:10.35 | jetscreamer | same for gnome |
| 08:10.43 | jetscreamer | well, not all of the meta's |
| 08:10.47 | mousex | too bad nobody told me that before . . . |
| 08:10.52 | Guerout | ratpoison |
| 08:10.56 | jetscreamer | i had to find out the hard way |
| 08:10.58 | Guerout | nobody really needs anything more |
| 08:11.05 | Guerout | they just think they do |
| 08:11.14 | jetscreamer | i like icewm most i think |
| 08:11.25 | Ashtars_fanclub | jetscreamer: acctually i do like that it gives me hope |
| 08:11.36 | mousex | xfce4 is fine for me |
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| 08:11.37 | digress | jetscreamer, whenever I try to rename /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run to /etc/ssh/sshd, and it tells me " not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1" |
| 08:11.39 | ml267 | i went from fvwm to aewm.. still there. |
| 08:11.49 | rrk | does anyone have any experince forcing an interupt for a sound chip-- the kernel 2.4.21 will not find one -- 5 and 7 are both free |
| 08:11.57 | Ashtars_fanclub | i'm hoping that xfce4.2 makes it to sarge |
| 08:12.04 | jetscreamer | change it to sshd_not_to_be_run.bckup |
| 08:12.14 | Ashtars_fanclub | but it isnt even in sid right? |
| 08:12.14 | jetscreamer | as root eh |
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| 08:12.28 | jetscreamer | !info xfce4 |
| 08:12.35 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 08:12.52 | ml267 | DerJamster : i played with it for a while. pretty. too pretty for my good. ehh |
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| 08:13.37 | Ashtars_fanclub | brb |
| 08:13.44 | digress | jetscreamer, same thing |
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| 08:13.48 | DerJamster | Eh, you make make it non-pretty (as in, remove eyecandy) |
| 08:13.57 | digress | do I need to change "strict subs"? |
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| 08:14.48 | jetscreamer | digress, i have no idea. you should jsut be able to mv it. what does /etc/init.d/ssh stop do? |
| 08:15.02 | jetscreamer | or sshd stop, i forget |
| 08:15.22 | DerJamster | ssh |
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| 08:15.55 | digress | jetscreamer, ah, yeah, Iwas bleet mv it |
| 08:15.59 | mousex | wow . . . qtparted is really cool |
| 08:16.04 | jetscreamer | whot? |
| 08:16.05 | digress | sorry, haha, I was able to mv it |
| 08:16.09 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:16.49 | jetscreamer | qtparted was really fuxored for ext3 when i tried it 6 months ago |
| 08:16.54 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 08:16.57 | digress | jetscreamer, o Ishould rename it to "sshd" right? |
| 08:17.13 | ircdevil | i am going to make my very first bst file in a few moments. i am contemplating using 'latex makebst' - but is there any other tools? i would like to see, on the fly, the results when using 'latex makebst' ??? |
| 08:17.15 | sanxiyn | digress: ??? |
| 08:17.22 | jetscreamer | digress just move it somewhere or rename it. i'd give it an extension |
| 08:17.29 | jetscreamer | .bckup is my fav |
| 08:17.32 | jetscreamer | or .orig |
| 08:17.32 | digress | jetscreamer, a great, hanks |
| 08:17.36 | ircdevil | (oops, window) |
| 08:17.38 | mousex | jetscreamer: I wonder if the qtparted programmers were aiming at a parition magic clone . . . |
| 08:18.19 | digress | ya know, I don't think this squa teen hunger force actually solves any crimes |
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| 08:18.57 | jetscreamer | haxuverymuch |
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| 08:20.03 | mattybats | i'm fuckin pist, i been trying to get my effing dual boot debian to work for about a week. I think I'm an effing moron or something. |
| 08:20.33 | mousex | mattybats: using lilo or grub? |
| 08:20.43 | mattybats | grub |
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| 08:20.52 | mousex | mattybats: ok, you're fucked |
| 08:20.53 | mousex | :) |
| 08:20.53 | mattybats | install with suse worked fine |
| 08:20.59 | mattybats | why? |
| 08:21.01 | mousex | mattybats: kidding |
| 08:21.04 | mattybats | heh |
| 08:21.06 | mousex | I just don't know how to use grub |
| 08:21.13 | mattybats | yeah no one seems to |
| 08:21.21 | mousex | Check out the grub posts on debianhelp.org |
| 08:21.30 | mattybats | been reading um for days |
| 08:21.31 | mousex | There's even a dual-boot tutorial |
| 08:21.39 | ircdevil | mattybats: did you check the faq ? |
| 08:21.39 | mattybats | prbly should try posting |
| 08:21.42 | sanxiyn | mattybats: Write appropriate menu.lst and grub-install. |
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| 08:22.10 | ircdevil | !faq mattybats |
| 08:22.11 | dpkg | mattybats: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 08:22.11 | Ashtars_fanclub | lowering resolution to 100 helped some |
| 08:22.13 | mousex | mattybats: why not simply uninstall grub and use lilo? I think lilo.conf is a lot easier! |
| 08:22.22 | sanxiyn | mousex: how? |
| 08:22.41 | mattybats | used sarge netist cd and i think it effed up the MBR in some wierd way |
| 08:22.52 | mattybats | not sure if it was because of something I chose or not |
| 08:22.53 | mousex | sanxiyn: how what? |
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| 08:23.04 | Ashtars_fanclub | but is there a way to make the xset option global to have that for all users? |
| 08:23.05 | mattybats | how is lilo easier i think he means |
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| 08:23.38 | sanxiyn | mousex: I don't think lilo.conf is "a lot easier" than menu.lst, but I see, its your personal opinion :-) |
| 08:23.42 | mousex | mattybats, sanxiyn: label=Window$ \ other=/dev/hdax |
| 08:23.51 | jetscreamer | lilo works better out of the box |
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| 08:24.03 | jetscreamer | but that's why they call it testing |
| 08:24.05 | Ashtars_fanclub | thats because debian comes with lilo out of the box? |
| 08:24.13 | mousex | when you install lilo the first time, it will ask you if you want to include inthe menu the other OS |
| 08:24.14 | sanxiyn | mousex: title Windows root (hd0,0) chainloader |
| 08:24.29 | mousex | sanxiyn: doesn't it get complicated with NTFS partitions? |
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| 08:24.41 | Ashtars_fanclub | no |
| 08:24.41 | jetscreamer | woody is lilo by default, sarge/d-i is grub |
| 08:24.50 | Ashtars_fanclub | no |
| 08:24.57 | Ashtars_fanclub | i just netinstalled and it wanted lilo |
| 08:24.59 | Ashtars_fanclub | sarge |
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| 08:25.13 | Ashtars_fanclub | 4 days ago |
| 08:25.13 | mousex | What's the next testing distro (after sarge)? |
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| 08:25.31 | jetscreamer | i did one last week it used grub by default |
| 08:25.31 | jetscreamer | etch |
| 08:25.41 | rrk | same here |
| 08:25.43 | Bhaalster | Hey guys, how do I compile a source tarball which has the debian build required directory/files in it? |
| 08:25.44 | Ashtars_fanclub | dunno which characters are available in toy story |
| 08:25.56 | jetscreamer | !etch |
| 08:25.56 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 08:25.59 | sanxiyn | Next is etch |
| 08:26.09 | mousex | etch??? |
| 08:26.09 | Ashtars_fanclub | hmm maybe it was due to problems with grub because i tried to switch and it failed |
| 08:26.24 | Ashtars_fanclub | grub-install or whatever it was called |
| 08:26.42 | mousex | mattybats: apt-get install lilo, and it should detect your other OS (if already installed) |
| 08:26.45 | rrk | post your menu.lst and a fdisk partions list |
| 08:26.54 | sanxiyn | Ashtars_fanclub: Hm, interesting. But grub really is default in D-I. |
| 08:27.16 | mousex | What kind of name is etch? Which charecter is that? |
| 08:27.19 | Ashtars_fanclub | sanxiyn, yea i used the netinstall with debian installer |
| 08:27.24 | Bhaalster | How do I compile something from source which has been debianized? |
| 08:27.30 | jetscreamer | mattybats, edit lilo.conf and go to the end and look at the "other" entry if lilo does not autodetect other os's |
| 08:27.38 | mousex | Bhaalster: download the source code |
| 08:27.39 | Ashtars_fanclub | diddnt think it would make a difference |
| 08:27.48 | mattybats | i got the entry set right for windows 'title Windows root (hd0,0) chainloader' |
| 08:27.57 | Ashtars_fanclub | does that mean that i have other legacy packages? |
| 08:27.57 | Bhaalster | mousex, Its not a source package |
| 08:28.00 | jim | mousex: etch-a-sketch |
| 08:28.13 | mousex | jim: whom? |
| 08:28.26 | mousex | Bhaalster: update /etc/apt/sources.list to use source code |
| 08:28.33 | Bhaalster | mousex, Its just a tarball of a program which has a debian directory in it.. |
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| 08:28.37 | mattybats | not using lilo |
| 08:28.42 | mousex | Bhaalster: uh |
| 08:28.45 | jetscreamer | well, if you do |
| 08:28.59 | jim | precomputer graphics, pre-turtle, draw x/y graphics with a pair of knobs, turn it upside down and shake, it erases |
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| 08:29.03 | jim | that's etch |
| 08:29.04 | mousex | Bhaalster: is the debian directory inside the tarball? |
| 08:29.17 | Bhaalster | Ive untar'ed it... |
| 08:29.20 | jetscreamer | YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT AN ETCH A SKETCH IS??? |
| 08:29.22 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 08:29.30 | mousex | ha, ha |
| 08:29.30 | rrk | mattybats post your menu.lst and a fdisk partitions list |
| 08:29.33 | Bhaalster | I just want to know what program I use that will compile it and create the .deb |
| 08:29.35 | mattybats | i get inaccessable_boot_device once windows starts booting |
| 08:29.56 | mousex | Bhaalster: make |
| 08:30.06 | Ashtars_fanclub | is it possible to turn on the lilo menu by default instead of having to [shift] and is it possible to have a background .bmp image, thats really all i care about |
| 08:30.07 | rrk | ok |
| 08:30.08 | Ashtars_fanclub | nice image |
| 08:30.14 | jetscreamer | mattybats, check and see if that partition is "active" , marked bootable... use cfdisk. |
| 08:30.15 | mattybats | if i re-write the mbr with my windows backup that i made before i installed sarge it boots fine |
| 08:30.18 | rrk | i have seen that one before |
| 08:30.21 | mousex | Bhaalster: if it has a README file, it probably will tell you to run "make config" and then "make install" |
| 08:30.36 | Bhaalster | mousex, I have been using Linux for 9yrs... I know all that. I want to know how the debian .deb maker works... |
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| 08:30.54 | mattybats | jetscreame: sure is marked active |
| 08:30.56 | jim | Bhaalster: get debian packaging manual |
| 08:30.56 | mousex | Bhaalsters: uh, that, then why don't you just ask? |
| 08:31.02 | mousex | Bhaalsters: don't know |
| 08:31.04 | mousex | :) |
| 08:31.06 | Ashtars_fanclub | Bhaalster: apt-get ownage |
| 08:31.09 | rrk | mattybats do you have a awards bios vintage 2003 by any chance? |
| 08:31.10 | jetscreamer | mattybats, where is whindows, which hdxx, and was it there when you started or did you move the hd |
| 08:31.10 | Ashtars_fanclub | makes u lazy |
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| 08:31.17 | jim | Bhaalster: www.debian.org/devel |
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| 08:31.29 | mattybats | hda1 |
| 08:31.35 | tosh| | where can I find the +/- 150 meg sarge netinst install cd with 2.6 support? |
| 08:31.45 | Ashtars_fanclub | on debian.org |
| 08:31.46 | mattybats | it was there when i started |
| 08:31.49 | mousex | mattybats: what do you get when you run cat /proc/partitions ? |
| 08:31.59 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:32.03 | jim | tosh|: you could find four floppy images instead |
| 08:32.13 | jetscreamer | type linux26 or expert26 at the boot prompt tosh| |
| 08:32.20 | Bhaalster | jim: The source tarball already has the debian directory... Ive untarred it.. And I want to know what debian related program I run which will compile the source AND create the .deb file which I can then use to dpkg -i with.......... |
| 08:32.21 | jim | and that url is where to go for that too |
| 08:32.38 | rrk | mattybats do you have a awards bios vintage 2003 by any chance? |
| 08:32.41 | tosh| | jetscreamer thnx |
| 08:32.43 | jim | Bhaalster: fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 08:32.48 | jim | Bhaalster: fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 08:32.52 | jim | Bhaalster: fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 08:32.56 | mattybats | i'm in knoppix on that machine right now and i've totally effed up my MBR |
| 08:32.59 | Ashtars_fanclub | tosh |: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:33.01 | mattybats | lemme see about the bios |
| 08:33.03 | jetscreamer | mattybats, ok it's the grub configuration then imo. lemme know when you need to get lilo to work :) |
| 08:33.05 | Bhaalster | right |
| 08:33.06 | mattybats | then i got to run |
| 08:33.07 | dondelelcaro | whoa... just fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 08:33.15 | mattybats | i'll waste more of my life on this later |
| 08:33.26 | jim | for some packages, you have to do them all |
| 08:33.29 | rrk | mattybats mbr is easy to fix |
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| 08:33.37 | jim | I always do |
| 08:33.42 | dondelelcaro | everything else is a dependency of binary, and gets called if it needs to. |
| 08:33.46 | dondelelcaro | if not, the package is buggy. |
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| 08:33.59 | jim | so maybe there are buggy packages |
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| 08:34.15 | jim | *shrug* I don't care much... I just do it |
| 08:34.15 | mattybats | my g-friend is yelling at me |
| 08:34.18 | Bhaalster | jim: why would it be saying 'permission denied' even as root? |
| 08:34.21 | mattybats | thanks for the imput |
| 08:34.23 | mattybats | bye |
| 08:34.24 | Bhaalster | err |
| 08:34.29 | Bhaalster | hrm. its not +x |
| 08:34.36 | mousex | mattybats: even if you place something on the MBR, the windows loader is still in the windows partition. . . . assuming you wanna dual-boot with windows |
| 08:34.36 | jim | Bhaalster: old build? |
| 08:34.36 | jetscreamer | mattybats, using a w9x boot disk type fdisk /mbr to return wxp/2k/other to orig state. |
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| 08:34.46 | Bhaalster | jim, how do you mean/ |
| 08:34.48 | jim | yeah, debian/rules has to be +x |
| 08:34.49 | Bhaalster | ? |
| 08:34.53 | Bhaalster | RIGHT |
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| 08:34.59 | Bhaalster | whoops, caps |
| 08:35.00 | Bhaalster | hehe |
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| 08:35.04 | jim | well you actuually found the real problem |
| 08:35.09 | mousex | mattybats: lilo can place itself on the MBR, and then call the win loader or finish up the linux loading process |
| 08:35.23 | Bhaalster | ahhh thats better |
| 08:35.25 | mousex | mattybats: and it's quite easier than setting up grub . . . IMHO |
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| 08:35.40 | Bhaalster | jim, real problem? |
| 08:35.47 | jim | but it could have been that as root you tried to build or something, and clean woh't remove something if the dir is owned by root but you're not logged in as root |
| 08:35.53 | jetscreamer | heh he left and we kept typing |
| 08:36.08 | jim | Bhaalster: debian/rules not +x |
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| 08:36.17 | jim | that was the actual problem |
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| 08:36.19 | Bhaalster | jim, yah |
| 08:36.21 | Bhaalster | Okey... |
| 08:36.50 | Bhaalster | Well all that was in vain.. I was hoping the debian compile might have been different... But I still cant get the program to compile... |
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| 08:37.18 | Bhaalster | error: `PCI_BASE_ADDRESS_0' undeclared |
| 08:37.20 | Bhaalster | dammit |
| 08:37.25 | jim | see, when you ask a question like that, there's at least three or more quaifier questions we have to ask... one of which is, do you want to make a debian package out of source that has not yet been debianized |
| 08:37.45 | jim | which I assumed was yes |
| 08:37.52 | benjamindees | what feature(s) is Debian missing to be a serious contender for the Linux desktop? |
| 08:38.20 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: if you tell me what "serious contender for the linux desktop" means, someone might be able to answer. |
| 08:38.21 | mousex | menus integration for one . . . |
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| 08:38.40 | sanxiyn | mousex: Debian menu is just wonderful. |
| 08:38.42 | Bhaalster | jim: No, it has been debianised... I guess there is just errors in the source... |
| 08:38.47 | sep | benjamindees: who want to contend for desktop, i use debian for servers mostly |
| 08:38.49 | Bhaalster | Or its not compiling on my system for some reason... |
| 08:38.50 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: None. |
| 08:39.08 | jim | Bhaalster: does the control file have a build-depends: line? |
| 08:39.09 | MobyTurbo | mousex: "apt-get menu" and run update-menus, which supports the menus of nearly any window manager package you throw at it. |
| 08:39.20 | MobyTurbo | s/apt-get/apt-get install/ |
| 08:39.21 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, it means it gets mentioned alongside RH, SuSe, and Mandrake |
| 08:39.31 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: It does. |
| 08:39.38 | mousex | It's confusing for many newbies to have gnome menu + kde menu + debian menu |
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| 08:39.52 | sanxiyn | mousex: Ah, so let we all use FreeDesktop.org menu? |
| 08:39.53 | decklin | Bhaalster: you probably don't have kernel headers. |
| 08:40.03 | sanxiyn | mousex: That kind of thing just doesn't happen soonish. |
| 08:40.03 | Bhaalster | jim, Just deb-helper thats all... |
| 08:40.06 | mousex | sanxiyn, I never said such a thing |
| 08:40.19 | Bhaalster | decklin, to be generating that error? |
| 08:40.21 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: it doesn't get mentioned along side them currently... people usually mention it in preference to those. |
| 08:40.21 | jim | Bhaalster: which is installed? |
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| 08:40.32 | mousex | !info freedesktop.org |
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| 08:40.43 | decklin | Bhaalster: yes. |
| 08:40.47 | mousex | !what is freedesktop.org |
| 08:40.47 | Bhaalster | jim, I get the same compile error when I try and compile the source on its own without debians help |
| 08:40.48 | dpkg | mousex: what are you talking about? |
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| 08:40.55 | sanxiyn | mousex: http://freedesktop.org/ |
| 08:40.56 | xogon | mousex: i agree that the menu disintegrtion is a PITA |
| 08:40.56 | chipheo_out | re * |
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| 08:41.10 | jim | Bhaalster: that would be a possible problem :P |
| 08:41.12 | sanxiyn | mousex: It has proposed menu spec. |
| 08:41.19 | mousex | PITA? |
| 08:41.25 | benjamindees | sanxiyn, I can't find a single recommendation to use Debian for desktops: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/31/1441200&tid=163 |
| 08:41.29 | jim | it's bread that has a hole in it |
| 08:41.34 | Anthony__ | i have an old 486 i want to put debian on and dont know which architecture to use or where to find it out |
| 08:41.36 | Comrade_Fool | benjamindees: then dont? |
| 08:41.36 | jim | not like a donut or bagel |
| 08:41.40 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: I don't read slashdot, but I do recommend it :-) |
| 08:41.48 | jim | more like a wallet |
| 08:41.50 | MobyTurbo | Anthony__: i386 |
| 08:41.54 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: And others too. |
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| 08:41.58 | jim | that's what a pita is |
| 08:41.58 | decklin | kinda like... slot-loading bread. |
| 08:41.58 | xogon | hehe or it means Pain In The Ass |
| 08:42.04 | DerJamster | I recommend it, also. |
| 08:42.14 | Anthony__ | i tried it and it just says L :0 :0 :0 over and over |
| 08:42.16 | sanxiyn | (it = Debian) |
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| 08:42.28 | MobyTurbo | Anthony__: did you install lilo to the MBR? |
| 08:42.29 | sanxiyn | mousex: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec |
| 08:42.31 | xogon | now they have genetically engineered lettuce that is shaped like pita brread |
| 08:42.31 | mousex | Anthony__: don't use debian for 486; use a smaller distro |
| 08:42.38 | sanxiyn | mousex: Yes, there's hope that we will solve menu problems some day. |
| 08:42.42 | Anthony__ | yes i did |
| 08:42.43 | DerJamster | Use Deli Linux for 486. |
| 08:42.44 | benjamindees | Comrade_Fool, this isn't an argument, it's a serious question |
| 08:42.46 | mousex | sanxiyn: I don't see anything wrong with standards |
| 08:42.47 | Bhaalster | decklin, I just symlinked my kernel source directory with /usr/src/linux and its still complaining |
| 08:42.58 | Comrade_Fool | benjamindees: best way to see why we all use debian, is to use redhat ;) |
| 08:43.01 | Anthony__ | what distro would u recommend for a 486 then mousex? |
| 08:43.06 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 08:43.06 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:43.09 | sanxiyn | mousex: Of course, fd.o menu spec is already implemented in Debian. |
| 08:43.17 | DerJamster | Anthony__: I'd recommend Deli Linux. |
| 08:43.18 | decklin | Bhaalster: er. and did you tell you compiler to look in there? |
| 08:43.20 | jim | oSHEESH, stop dat! |
| 08:43.24 | benjamindees | Comrade_Fool, I do, both actually |
| 08:43.37 | sanxiyn | mousex: i.e. "menu-xdg" |
| 08:43.42 | mousex | Anthony__: monkey linux, although it's not supported anymore. Check out linux.org and do a search in it for "embedded" or "small" distros |
| 08:43.51 | Bhaalster | decklin, Erm... Maybe not :) How does one do that? |
| 08:43.55 | decklin | decklin: the standard location for this sort of thing is /usr/include/linux. install the kernel-headers-* package appropriate to your kernel. |
| 08:43.56 | Anthony__ | ok thanks alot |
| 08:43.57 | jim | dammit Dpkg! it's mobyturbo! |
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| 08:44.08 | decklin | s/decklin/Bhaalster/ |
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| 08:44.15 | sanxiyn | Someone should delete the name from the factoid... |
| 08:44.17 | Anthony__ | btw, what kind of thing would couse lots of :0 to keep scrolling once its time for linux to boot? |
| 08:44.18 | Bhaalster | Okey |
| 08:44.20 | decklin | Bhaalster: -I |
| 08:44.20 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: you'll have to decide for yourself. We've already decided... worring about things like "being ready for the desktop" or "market share" is best left to those distros who actually care about that. |
| 08:44.25 | xogon | who said u? i didn say u did u say u? |
| 08:44.33 | mousex | sanxiyn: I'm installing menu-xdg . .. |
| 08:44.37 | MobyTurbo | !confuse xogon |
| 08:44.38 | dpkg | No, who is my weasel tomorrow, xogon? trousers of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra cream |
| 08:44.40 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: the name is there for a reason. "Damnit Jim! I'm a bot, not a doctor" |
| 08:44.41 | DerJamster | Anthony__: using lilo? Did a recent Kernel change? |
| 08:44.42 | mousex | sanxiyn: already installed? hum . . . |
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| 08:44.55 | jim | I'm a doctor, not a pepper! |
| 08:45.02 | Anthony__ | yes to lilo and i only just installed the kernel |
| 08:45.16 | xogon | MobyTurbo: only when cumulus gravitometric phalanxes outrank undertow in pajamas |
| 08:45.17 | sanxiyn | mousex: Of course, it won't make things any better... |
| 08:45.25 | mousex | sanxiyn: :( |
| 08:45.27 | jim | dondelelcaro: well, I seem to get the brunt of that when I'm around |
| 08:45.34 | sanxiyn | mousex: Well, do read menu standard discussions. |
| 08:45.44 | mousex | sanxiyn: I will |
| 08:45.51 | DerJamster | Anthony__: and you ran Lilo before booting? |
| 08:45.51 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, okay, that answers my question, it's simply a matter of will |
| 08:45.56 | Comrade_Fool | benjamindees: as far as im concerned there are no features missing in debian that would prevent me from classing it as a 'linux desktop'. most people shy away from it i imagine since one has to know how to read in order to operationg its installer, though |
| 08:46.00 | jim | MobyTurbo: not your fault... dpkg looked like it was talking to me when you did that |
| 08:46.07 | Comrade_Fool | operate* |
| 08:46.10 | Guerout | benjamindees: s/will/resources/ |
| 08:46.18 | MobyTurbo | jim: heh |
| 08:46.21 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: Many people are using Debian as Desktop, no? |
| 08:46.24 | Guerout | benjamindees: resources better spent on quality than on marketing |
| 08:46.28 | Bhaalster | decklin, sorting it now |
| 08:46.30 | jim | but it's happened now about 6 times today, three within about 15 secs |
| 08:46.36 | sanxiyn | (For some definition of "many") |
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| 08:46.41 | Anthony__ | DerJamster: i did most of what debian told me to because its my first linux install |
| 08:46.52 | Anthony__ | DerJamster: so i think yes |
| 08:47.08 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: if you really care about Debian being on the desktop, you're more than welcome to step in and do the work. However, most of us are more concerned about making the best distribution possible for those people who actually use Debian, not hypothetical future users of Debian. |
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| 08:47.27 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Well, users are our priority :-) |
| 08:47.31 | DerJamster | Anthony__: Did you type in 'lilo' after having the Kernel installed :P |
| 08:47.35 | MobyTurbo | Debian is on my desktop. |
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| 08:47.58 | Anthony__ | i didnt type it but i selected it from a menu |
| 08:48.01 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, so, I'm wondering, what *is* that work? |
| 08:48.01 | jim | I have three debians on my tabletop, one below the table |
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| 08:48.04 | debian | MobyTurbo: I'm on my foot |
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| 08:48.12 | Pikapika | how do you delete a list of files from a directory when you get "argument list too long" from "rm -rf *" |
| 08:48.32 | xogon | mousex: what is your experience of menu-xdg? |
| 08:48.34 | Dewi | Pikapika : sounds like a job for xargs |
| 08:48.38 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: Marketting and myth debunking is very much needed. Please help. |
| 08:48.38 | MobyTurbo | debian: don't complain, you're the one who chose that nick. ;-) |
| 08:48.42 | mousex | xogon: just heard about it |
| 08:48.47 | cyzie | how to play bin/cue file in linux? |
| 08:48.48 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: Unfortunately, it's not my strongest point. |
| 08:48.49 | decklin | Pikapika: cd ..; rm -rf thedirectory |
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| 08:49.10 | Dewi | Pikapika : it can split it into several commands... oh... it would break the recursiveness |
| 08:49.19 | ircdevil | cyzie: mount on loopback device ? |
| 08:49.20 | Dewi | Pikapika : better to delete whole directories as decklin says |
| 08:49.27 | Pikapika | hmm |
| 08:49.30 | Pikapika | yeah |
| 08:49.31 | cyzie | ircdevil, can u give example ? |
| 08:49.39 | jim | Pikapika: split up the list and use each split |
| 08:49.39 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: Whenever someone complains Debian Install is hard in review, but using Sarge Installer with "expert" mode, lart them. |
| 08:49.43 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: That sort of things. |
| 08:50.01 | sanxiyn | (It happened some time ago on OSnews, for example) |
| 08:50.20 | MobyTurbo | Pikapika: wait a minute, I think my copy of "Unix Power Tools" from O'Reilly has something that answers your question |
| 08:50.21 | jim | but if you want to delete the whole dir,,, well you know, rm is kinda dangerous... you should read the man page so you -understand- it |
| 08:50.36 | Guerout | osnews is all shite anyways |
| 08:50.54 | Bhaalster | decklin, Still the same problem... It ends with: warning: implicit declaration of function `pci_cleanup' ....... And dies therer with an error 1 |
| 08:51.04 | debian | MobyTurbo: no, the nick chose me |
| 08:51.09 | sanxiyn | Guerin: It's popular nevertheless |
| 08:51.17 | jim | but suffice it to say, rm can remove a directory and its entire content... I leave it to you to find out how :) |
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| 08:51.30 | Guerout | sanxiyn: sad, but true. |
| 08:51.32 | sanxiyn | Guerout: We're talking about propaganda war... |
| 08:51.35 | Bhaalster | decklin, wait hehe pci/pci.h: No such file or directory ...... I wonder if that has something to do with it?? :) |
| 08:51.43 | sanxiyn | Guerout: Not about quality of some news site. |
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| 08:52.00 | Guerout | osnews still doesn't have that much mindshare |
| 08:52.10 | sanxiyn | distrowatch? :-) |
| 08:52.11 | jim | Bhaalster: if there is source that is not present, but that the package needs, it's broken |
| 08:52.20 | cyzie | ircdevil, can u give example ? |
| 08:52.22 | decklin | Bhaalster: yes. looks like either your kernel headers or the code is/are still broken. |
| 08:52.49 | sanxiyn | In my opinion, Debian need more "I installed this and wallpaper look cool use this distro thank you" type of childish reviews. |
| 08:52.54 | sanxiyn | That will boost some popularity. |
| 08:53.00 | benjamindees | okay, so we've identified installer issues, lack of marketing, and apathy, nothing insurmountable |
| 08:53.03 | sanxiyn | That's needed, IMO. |
| 08:53.12 | jetscreamer | don't forget the menus |
| 08:53.25 | Bhaalster | decklin, pci.h is normally part of the kernel headers yes? What would I change in the Makefile to tell it where to find it? |
| 08:53.44 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: There's one thing more... release. |
| 08:53.50 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: And it's a real problem. |
| 08:53.57 | Guerout | why do we need users? |
| 08:53.57 | benjamindees | sanxiyn, I was wondering when someone would say that :) |
| 08:54.06 | simonrvn | one that's going to be solved soon |
| 08:54.08 | jetscreamer | menus were previously identified as the one area windows is better |
| 08:54.27 | sanxiyn | Rare release is not only technical/quality problem, but also serious PR problem. |
| 08:54.41 | sanxiyn | We need "Debian x.y released" kind of news sweeping news sites. |
| 08:54.43 | sanxiyn | (regularly) |
| 08:54.51 | decklin | Bhaalster: couldn't tell you, sorry. |
| 08:54.58 | simonrvn | heh, windows ui is better? not hard when all i've seen tries to emulate the winbloze ui.... which SUCKS |
| 08:55.07 | benjamindees | sanxiyn, mepis has quite a selection of "I installed this and wallpaper look cool use this distro" followers |
| 08:55.17 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: That's good... |
| 08:55.28 | MobyTurbo | Pikapika: use find piped through xargs is an answer. |
| 08:55.35 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: Actually, many Debian *derivatives* has such followers, respectively. |
| 08:55.35 | simonrvn | Bhaalster: pci-dev |
| 08:55.49 | sanxiyn | (From the most distant:) Linspire, Xandros... |
| 08:56.07 | benjamindees | sanxiyn, right, so why not Debian? |
| 08:56.22 | Pikapika | I just deleted and remade the directory. i'll look into xargs and splitting in case i just wnat to delete a certain set next time |
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| 08:56.23 | ircdevil | cyzie: mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 file.bin /mnt |
| 08:56.24 | Guerout | benjamindees: better question: why care? |
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| 08:56.42 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: Because, we are mostly of type "why care", I guess :-) |
| 08:56.55 | jetscreamer | define soon though, i dare you :) |
| 08:56.56 | user_ | hey has anyone tried the game freeciv? how is it compared to the commercial ones? |
| 08:56.58 | Bhaalster | simonrvn, pciutils-dev you mean? |
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| 08:57.05 | jetscreamer | freeciv seemed to really suck imo |
| 08:57.06 | Guerout | people will use what they use. Thousands of clueless doesn't help debian in any meaningful way; why covet them? |
| 08:57.09 | simonrvn | Bhaalster: yeh, maybe :) |
| 08:57.09 | MobyTurbo | Pikapika: OK |
| 08:57.12 | benjamindees | Guerout, if Debian were even the slightest bit interested in the desktop, no distro could match it |
| 08:57.22 | tosh| | sarge netinst stops after the CPU detection |
| 08:57.24 | tosh| | so much for sarge |
| 08:57.39 | Guerout | benjamindees: you and I know that, but nobody else would believe it. |
| 08:57.40 | tosh| | anyone know of a distro that comes with a 2.6 kernel and SELinux enabled by default? |
| 08:57.43 | Bhaalster | simonrvn, Your a genius! |
| 08:57.43 | sanxiyn | tosh|: Too bad. Report bug. |
| 08:57.46 | mousex | what command do I use to uncompress a .tar.gz file onto /mnt and keep the directory structure? |
| 08:57.51 | dondelelcaro | tosh|: have you used linux26? have you tried with noacpi? |
| 08:57.57 | benjamindees | Guerout, but obviously there are problems somewhere, and I'd like to identify them |
| 08:57.57 | Guerout | alleigances have been formed; inertia is a massively powerful force. |
| 08:57.58 | dondelelcaro | !tgz |
| 08:57.58 | dpkg | to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ... |
| 08:58.00 | tosh| | dondelelcaro yes and yes |
| 08:58.00 | Bhaalster | jim, decklin, so are you guys :) |
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| 08:58.11 | dondelelcaro | tosh|: have you used linux24? |
| 08:58.14 | simonrvn | Guerout: we do get a lot of people who want a "desktop". they can always get referred to debian-user :P |
| 08:58.25 | tosh| | dondelelcaro I tried all the differnent kernelimages and I tried disabling apci and enabled debugging |
| 08:58.27 | simonrvn | Bhaalster: nah, just had need of it too :) |
| 08:58.29 | tosh| | always the same |
| 08:58.31 | tosh| | I blame AMD |
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| 08:58.46 | tosh| | I need a box up with SELinux and I need it fast |
| 08:58.46 | dondelelcaro | tosh|: so it fails at the kernel boot time, right? |
| 08:58.51 | tosh| | dondelelcaro correct |
| 08:58.59 | Guerout | benjamindees: the biggest problems are infrastructual issues relating to the release. These are not marketing issues, and adding a shitload of requirements to the wishlist is never going to speed things up. |
| 08:59.01 | dondelelcaro | tosh|: is this amd64? or? |
| 08:59.09 | tosh| | amd duron 1200 |
| 08:59.14 | Guerout | simonrvn: they do? |
| 08:59.21 | tosh| | no 64bit |
| 08:59.28 | tosh| | plain normal 32 bit |
| 08:59.34 | dondelelcaro | tosh|: hrm... it shouldn't have a problem... that almost sounds like a kernel issue to me. |
| 08:59.53 | simonrvn | Guerout: i see it all the time in here. they don't *say* it, but the stuff they ask for implies it |
| 08:59.58 | benjamindees | Guerout, is there somewhere that branch/restructuring been discussed that I can read? |
| 09:00.10 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: Yes, debian-user is a nice place :-) |
| 09:00.11 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: see /topic |
| 09:00.16 | benjamindees | Guerout, *adding a new branch* I mean |
| 09:00.22 | sanxiyn | (And mostly desktop discussion) |
| 09:00.34 | Guerout | benjamindees: wiki.debian.net had a page on proposed Release Strategies a while ago; that was one suggested. |
| 09:00.40 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: and the restructuring stuff is always discussed on -devel et al. if you actually are interested in helping, you can help out there. |
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| 09:01.05 | simonrvn | the infrastructure to handle "desktop" stuff is already there, IMO. it's just the ivory tower syndrome we need to get over |
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| 09:01.22 | Guerout | simonrvn: oh, bootsplash, supermount and other such? |
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| 09:01.27 | sanxiyn | Frequent release? ... |
| 09:01.30 | simonrvn | Guerout: e.g. |
| 09:01.37 | Guerout | !lose tosh| |
| 09:01.38 | dpkg | tosh|: You Lose. |
| 09:01.50 | tosh| | sarge lost really |
| 09:01.51 | tosh| | not me |
| 09:01.52 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: it's not even the ivory tower... it's the whole issue of fixing bugs that are RC and basic things like having a toolchain without RC bugs in it for more than 3 months out of a year |
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| 09:02.05 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: too true :) |
| 09:02.06 | Guerout | simonrvn: I don't buy that. |
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| 09:02.17 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, see topic what? is there something there that answers my question? |
| 09:02.25 | scarynetworkguy | tosh|: The ORA book has a very nice howto. Specific for Debian. |
| 09:02.30 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: where it says wwsr. /msg dpkg wwsr; |
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| 09:03.08 | Guerout | dondelelcaro: I think he means a fourth branch - like a 'for-the-desktop-but-no-sid' |
| 09:03.08 | tosh| | scarynetworkguy the ORA book? |
| 09:03.09 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: That's not really benjamindees is asking for... |
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| 09:03.21 | scarynetworkguy | tosh|: SELinux. |
| 09:03.24 | Guerout | which I call 'sarge' |
| 09:03.26 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: gcc et al. just got and update from cvs i see |
| 09:03.30 | Phantastico | how to show a clock on wmaker? |
| 09:03.33 | Bhaalster | bbs |
| 09:03.37 | tosh| | scarynetworkguy I know, but they use 2.4 wit the patch |
| 09:03.42 | tosh| | I want 2.6 |
| 09:03.42 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, I know that; but I also know that this discussion will go away for another year once that happens |
| 09:03.44 | Guerout | Phantastico: apt-cache search ^wm |
| 09:03.45 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: he asked about the infrastructure holdups that are keeping sarge from being released. that's what is in wwsr |
| 09:03.56 | ircdevil | cyzie: you whould have a look at the cd-writing howto |
| 09:03.57 | jetscreamer | woody idepci will work for the duron i bet... sis chipset? |
| 09:03.59 | scarynetworkguy | tosh|: Did you look at the site the howto there points at? |
| 09:04.08 | ircdevil | cyzie: s/would/should/ |
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| 09:04.15 | tosh| | scarynetworkguy I downloaded their tutorial they wrote for the linux kongress |
| 09:04.16 | helloyo | why would programs just randomly crash? |
| 09:04.21 | sanxiyn | helloyo: Bug |
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| 09:04.23 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: well, then it will be here next year. People who think that it's a problem are the people who need to put up and help do the work |
| 09:04.24 | sep | tosh|: if both the 2.4 and 2.6 installer kernels freeze at the same time, i'd serisouly consider running memtest or similar. |
| 09:04.28 | scarynetworkguy | tosh|: What tutorial? |
| 09:04.33 | Guerout | helloyo: if it truly is random, probably hardware |
| 09:04.45 | Guerout | helloyo: but most apparently random crashes aren't |
| 09:04.52 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 09:04.54 | tosh| | scarynetworkguy scarynetworkguy http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/talks/lk-2002/tutorial/se-tut.pdf |
| 09:04.56 | cyzie | ircdevil, u mean i have to burn in order to play the content? that is just the thing i dont want, i want it to be mount somewhere then play it |
| 09:05.05 | cyzie | ircdevil, i dont want to burn it |
| 09:05.19 | jetscreamer | mount it then what is it, an iso? |
| 09:05.27 | scarynetworkguy | tosh|: And what does that have to do with the ORA book that I suggested? |
| 09:05.27 | baroni | Hello all. I've seen only 1024 bits gpg keys. Why dos not have people being using 4096 bits, since gpg supports it? |
| 09:05.29 | jetscreamer | man mount |
| 09:05.33 | cyzie | bin/cue file |
| 09:05.35 | helloyo | Guerout, yeah, they're not that random, they are just occuring to often for more likely |
| 09:05.39 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 09:05.44 | Guerout | helloyo: strace or gdb it |
| 09:05.52 | mousex | baroni: they're faster? |
| 09:05.55 | sanxiyn | cyzie: bchunk or cdemu |
| 09:06.01 | tosh| | scarynetworkguy not much till you explain what the ORA book is |
| 09:06.03 | baroni | I don't know |
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| 09:06.08 | jetscreamer | you could convert it to .iso or so |
| 09:06.09 | Guerout | baroni: are 1024-bit keys crackable by normal means within anyone's lifetime? |
| 09:06.15 | simonrvn | baroni: just because you've seen only that, doesn't mean it doesn't exist |
| 09:06.23 | scarynetworkguy | tosh|: The book about SELinux from ORA. |
| 09:06.25 | sanxiyn | cyzie: bchunk converts bin/cue to iso, cdemu mounts bin/cue on the fly. |
| 09:06.27 | jetscreamer | o'reilly's isn't it |
| 09:06.54 | cyzie | ahhh.. thanks sanxiyn |
| 09:06.57 | mousex | sanxiyn: this cdemu seems useful . . . |
| 09:06.58 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 09:07.10 | sanxiyn | mousex: Not really, but it's cool :-) |
| 09:07.19 | tosh| | scarynetworkguy I would try woody and then install a 2.6 selinux enabled kernel but it says inittools is too old and it cant upgrade |
| 09:07.22 | jetscreamer | wasn't that long ago |
| 09:07.23 | sanxiyn | cyzie: You know how to mount .iso as loopback, I assume? |
| 09:07.33 | baroni | .. I don't know if is possible to be break, but I just haven't find 4096 bits keys.. I though that coulbe be because of some incompatibility with some software.. |
| 09:07.36 | scarynetworkguy | tosh|: I like frogs. |
| 09:07.39 | cyzie | sanxiyn, id ont know |
| 09:07.43 | ircdevil | cyzie: what is a bin file? and what is a cue file? |
| 09:07.47 | Guerout | mmm, frogs |
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| 09:07.53 | tosh| | scarynetworkguy thats wonderful |
| 09:07.57 | cyzie | ircdevil, it is a movie file |
| 09:07.58 | mousex | do a lot of people actually use gpg? |
| 09:08.01 | sanxiyn | ircdevil: bin/cue is Golden Hawk format for CD image. |
| 09:08.07 | Guerout | mousex: yes |
| 09:08.14 | sanxiyn | ircdevil: A good idea that is used often wrong. |
| 09:08.33 | Guerout | mousex: if they care about people not reading what they write, or about ensuring the recipient that it actually was written by them |
| 09:08.45 | jetscreamer | sudo mount /tmp/kde-jetx/k3b_0.iso /home/jetx/dvd -o loop |
| 09:08.47 | Guerout | in email, fx |
| 09:09.00 | jetscreamer | like that |
| 09:09.13 | mousex | Guerout: are there any web-mail services/daemons that integrate gpg? squid? sqmail? |
| 09:09.35 | ircdevil | cyzie: did you try mplayer? |
| 09:09.37 | scarynetworkguy | tosh|: So yeah. If I were you I would stop trying random crap get a copy of the book from ORA about SELinux and do what it says to do. Damn fine bit of work. |
| 09:09.40 | Guerout | mousex: squirrelmail allows you to sign an outgoing message or check an incoming, I believe |
| 09:09.46 | sanxiyn | cyzie: If it's just movie, mplayer can play bin/cue just fine. |
| 09:09.54 | cyzie | ircdevil, mplayer dont work properly in sarge netinstall |
| 09:09.56 | cyzie | i dotn know why |
| 09:09.59 | cyzie | i try to reinstall |
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| 09:10.04 | cyzie | it is still has error |
| 09:10.17 | jetscreamer | mplayer isn't in sarge, it's non-free eh |
| 09:10.19 | tosh| | scarynetworkguy Ill look for it :-/ |
| 09:10.23 | ircdevil | cyzie: xine then? (may need plugins) |
| 09:10.23 | Guerout | mousex: webmail, though, is neither a service or a daemon - it's a web client running over http interfacing with imap and smtp servers |
| 09:10.37 | mousex | Guerout: how about one of the big, commercial web-mail providers like yahoo, starfield, and gmail? |
| 09:10.39 | cyzie | yes, i use xine, but xine cant play bin/cue file |
| 09:10.42 | sanxiyn | ircdevil: But xine doesn't play bin/cue on the fly. |
| 09:10.43 | Guerout | scarynetworkguy: but he wants FAST |
| 09:10.47 | sanxiyn | cyzie: So convert it to iso. |
| 09:10.51 | Guerout | mousex: no cli\ue |
| 09:11.09 | scarynetworkguy | Guerout: It takes about 5 minutes to get a 2 week free |
| 09:11.13 | Guerout | mousex: it's too much hassle for most people, including me |
| 09:11.16 | scarynetworkguy | Safari account. :) |
| 09:11.25 | scarynetworkguy | Can't get much faster than that. |
| 09:11.26 | Guerout | scarynetworkguy: you don't have to tell me :) |
| 09:11.31 | scarynetworkguy | Guerout: Heh. |
| 09:11.49 | simonrvn | @hurry |
| 09:11.56 | ravenbird | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 09:12.02 | scarynetworkguy | Guerout: Do you think it's possible that he thinks he is going to install SELinux and he doesn't know about Safari? |
| 09:12.12 | mousex | Guerout: is there something easier but as secure as gpg? (easier to use for almost everybody, that is) |
| 09:12.15 | ircdevil | is ctan the place to look for bibtex styles ? |
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| 09:14.16 | mousex | Guerout, just out of curiosity, why aren't you nick named Guerin anymore? It was easier to type . . . |
| 09:14.41 | cyzie | anyone having problem in mplayer in sarge where though u maximize , the picture isnt maximize |
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| 09:14.50 | cyzie | and it cant coexists with xine |
| 09:15.23 | jetscreamer | you lmean it's still a small square in a big black one |
| 09:15.34 | cyzie | jetscreamer, yes |
| 09:15.35 | mousex | man, I love that SCSI drives aren't as noisy and messed up as IDE HDs!!! |
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| 09:16.29 | Xyrouz | goodmorning :D |
| 09:16.33 | sep | cyzie: have you tried with -zoom ? |
| 09:16.38 | mousex | Xyrouz: good night . . . |
| 09:16.42 | Xyrouz | :) |
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| 09:16.46 | cyzie | why u want to zoom? |
| 09:16.54 | jetscreamer | cyzie, try totem-xine if you use gnome. or vlc. mplayer is nice from command line. i 'think' you can fix the gui via cl, but not sure |
| 09:17.00 | sep | to get a big picture that fill your screen |
| 09:17.38 | jetscreamer | mplayer in console is cool though |
| 09:17.39 | mousex | cyzie: is there something in the "view" menu that says "fit width?" |
| 09:17.50 | jetscreamer | dude, man mplayer |
| 09:17.54 | Guerout | mousex: I'm out |
| 09:18.12 | mousex | Guerout, . . . |
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| 09:18.56 | Guerout | mousex: I'm at work, shelled into one of my home boxen; the screen with guerin on it is on my other box, but my wfe is using it so I can't detach it |
| 09:18.59 | MobyTurbo | mousex: it's not harder to type, it's the same with tab completion. |
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| 09:19.15 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 09:19.22 | Guerout | i did detach it |
| 09:19.34 | Guerout | and she phoned me to tell me tht her music player disappeared |
| 09:19.36 | mousex | Hey, didn't know there was tab completition . . . cool! |
| 09:19.38 | mousex | :) |
| 09:19.52 | jetscreamer | she uses console? |
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| 09:19.58 | mousex | what was that? |
| 09:21.42 | mousex | is there a program that graphs HD activity, just like those that graph CPU activity? |
| 09:21.51 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: Like all good hearted people. |
| 09:22.18 | simonrvn | isn't that redundant? ;p |
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| 09:23.09 | SilentBob | What is the command to change the system time to GMT +1? |
| 09:23.25 | jetscreamer | tzconfig maybe |
| 09:23.30 | SilentBob | thanks |
| 09:23.40 | scarynetworkguy | SilentBob: tzconfig |
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| 09:25.43 | mousex | umount got stucked!!! even root can't kill it! |
| 09:25.52 | mousex | (...) |
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| 09:25.57 | gothtec | ... |
| 09:26.01 | SilentBob | root@debian:~# tzconfig |
| 09:26.01 | SilentBob | -su: tzconfig: command not found |
| 09:26.02 | lordurza | its good to be 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:26.02 | gothtec | sounds nice |
| 09:26.10 | SilentBob | scarynetworkguy / jetscreamer |
| 09:26.25 | lordurza | have you tried a force? |
| 09:26.38 | mousex | lordurza: not when your 127.0.0.1 is freezing and you're not allowed to turn the heat up . . . :( |
| 09:26.40 | rsalazar | what program does the debian installer use for partitioning? |
| 09:26.49 | simonrvn | partman |
| 09:26.53 | lordurza | it could be an application running on it that is causing it to not unmount *messes sentence* ;p |
| 09:26.57 | manchot | I customized 2.6.10 kernel myself, but after rebooting, my eth0 and dsl connection go wrong. |
| 09:27.10 | lordurza | that sucks mousex =\ sry to hear that |
| 09:27.26 | manchot | ifconfig shows eth0 with no ip address, and dsl connection is not up as it used to. |
| 09:27.42 | lordurza | hmm manchot is pppoe setup? |
| 09:27.47 | manchot | when I switch back to debian kernel, things goes ok. |
| 09:28.04 | manchot | lordurza: yes, I used pppoeconf |
| 09:28.11 | lordurza | hmm and what happiens when you run it? |
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| 09:28.33 | manchot | lordurza: strange things is ifconfig shows eth0 with no ip address configured for it. |
| 09:28.48 | lordurza | aight I got that far ;p try running the pppoe to start a connection |
| 09:29.02 | lordurza | see if it starts a connectiong providing you an ip if not it should display some form of error |
| 09:30.06 | lordurza | my internet doesnt work is to big of a problem bro need to narrow it down more then that and the fact its the 2.6.10 kernel its prob a configuration of some kind if infact you compiled with all the support for needed moduels etc |
| 09:30.19 | manchot | lordurza: I don't think it concerns pppoe, can you tell me why eth0 doesn't source /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 09:30.33 | manchot | why it is not assigned an ip address with customized kernel? |
| 09:30.47 | lordurza | why should it? unless its static as well as the dhcp server |
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| 09:30.53 | lordurza | your box does not get its own ip from it self |
| 09:31.12 | lordurza | so unless that box is your dhcp server it wont have one till a dhcp server provides it with one |
| 09:31.15 | manchot | lordurza: I configured it with static ip address. with debian's own kernel, everything works fine |
| 09:31.34 | lordurza | ok then what happiens when you try and bring the interface up? |
| 09:31.40 | manchot | lordurza: I think I configured eth0 module and it is obviously loaded. |
| 09:32.08 | manchot | lordurza: it is up. but with no ip address under customized kernel |
| 09:32.22 | simonrvn | forgot your driver... |
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| 09:32.35 | lordurza | and has no errors when you try and bring the interface or as simonrvn sugests? |
| 09:32.52 | Guse | bom dia! |
| 09:33.08 | broke | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.08 | broke | <manchot> lordurza: I think I configured eth0 module and it is obv up? |
| 09:33.10 | lordurza | im installin teh red devil on me laptop =] |
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| 09:33.24 | lordurza | ya I didnt understand that myself broke |
| 09:33.30 | simonrvn | manchot: is it present in lsmod? |
| 09:33.59 | lordurza | anyone here using qmail and that would recomend it over exim3 or sendmail? |
| 09:34.03 | manchot | simonrvn: I configured eth0 driver in kernel image, not in module |
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| 09:34.20 | ircdevil | oh dear! did anyone ever try to hack .bst files? |
| 09:34.22 | simonrvn | manchot: then it isn't a module, is it. don't confuse us |
| 09:34.36 | manchot | simonrvn: and it is obviously loaded, since ifconfig shows it is present. |
| 09:34.42 | lordurza | I havnt ircdevil |
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| 09:35.00 | lordurza | that doesnt mean its loaded btw manchot |
| 09:35.10 | simonrvn | mneme ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; do anything? |
| 09:35.15 | lordurza | ifconfig will show all interfaces with the -a tag regardless if they even configured |
| 09:35.15 | ircdevil | !moron lordurza |
| 09:35.16 | manchot | simonrvn: under my customized kernel, lsmod shows nothing |
| 09:35.16 | dpkg | lordurza: You are moron #17 |
| 09:35.31 | lordurza | bleah@irc |
| 09:35.37 | lordurza | !moron ircdevil |
| 09:35.38 | dpkg | ircdevil: You are moron #16 |
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| 09:36.47 | mousex | !bye |
| 09:36.47 | dpkg | Cya, mousex |
| 09:36.50 | lordurza | cya mousex |
| 09:37.36 | manchot | simonrvn: still no ip address. |
| 09:38.13 | simonrvn | lordurza: don't /msg me |
| 09:38.26 | ircdevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.54 | lordurza | .... |
| 09:39.20 | lordurza | irssi lol |
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| 09:39.55 | manchot | I see it not a big deal if someone /msg me. |
| 09:40.16 | simonrvn | manchot: check your interfaces file then. if it's built-in, and the driver is ok, it should just work if the conf is alright |
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| 09:40.22 | drac | lordurza: irssi lol? nothing wrong with best irc client available. |
| 09:40.25 | lordurza | well it was a private statment didnt see the big deal myself either |
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| 09:40.37 | lordurza | that is only an opionion btw drac and I dont see it as the best |
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| 09:40.56 | MobyTurbo | !lose lordurza |
| 09:40.56 | dpkg | lordurza: You Lose. |
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| 09:41.12 | manchot | simonrvn: with debian kernel, things work fine, but with my kernel, it goes wrong, |
| 09:41.17 | lordurza | wow bot statments wish I could be that cool and again irssi being anything is an opionion |
| 09:41.26 | simonrvn | what goes wrong |
| 09:41.27 | manchot | but I know for sure that eth0 driver is loaded. |
| 09:41.47 | manchot | simonrvn: eth0 with no ip address, |
| 09:41.59 | simonrvn | don't make me "tirer les vers de ton nez" please |
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| 09:42.27 | manchot | simonrvn: drag the rope of your nose? |
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| 09:42.43 | lordurza | so does anyone have anything to say about qmail over say exim or sendmail? |
| 09:42.44 | simonrvn | no, close, not quite :) |
| 09:42.52 | simonrvn | lordurza: #qmail does |
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| 09:43.20 | lordurza | I doubt I was there and afk figured debian users maybe having used it since it was a community of linux users |
| 09:43.24 | manchot | simonrvn: I mean when I boot with customized kernel, eth0 shows no ip address even when I configured it under /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 09:43.26 | MobyTurbo | lordurza: if license matters to you qmail is non-free |
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| 09:43.39 | manchot | simonrvn: and consequently it is not functioning |
| 09:43.49 | simonrvn | manchot: sounds to me the driver isn't working, or you enabled the wrong one |
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| 09:44.12 | simonrvn | don't /msg me |
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| 09:44.34 | broke | I cant resize my windows |
| 09:44.35 | lordurza | MobyTurbo but is it more secure then say sendmail or exim as far as the code goes? |
| 09:44.39 | broke | that's fucking annoying |
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| 09:45.07 | MobyTurbo | please note that not msging people is in the /topic |
| 09:45.14 | suzzi | hello all, any one know of a quick way to add a range of users to a group on CLI??? |
| 09:45.17 | manchot | simonrvn: why? |
| 09:45.17 | jcm | hi, on unstable/apache2/php4 i get memomry errors and blanck pages since last update; tried reinstall libapache2-mod-php4 package in case of binary corruption :( |
| 09:45.30 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: vipw or just adduser username groupname; |
| 09:45.32 | simonrvn | manchot: because i don't want to be |
| 09:45.34 | MobyTurbo | lordurza: I've never run qmail, just exmim, sendmail, and postfix |
| 09:45.39 | jcm | sorry, it's testing/apache2 |
| 09:45.44 | MobyTurbo | s/exmim/exim |
| 09:45.49 | dondelelcaro | (or in my case, jed /etc/group |
| 09:45.49 | manchot | simonrvn: je sais |
| 09:45.51 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: cool thanks |
| 09:46.03 | lordurza | MobyTurbo me either just exim and sendmail myself a friend recomended qmail to me as being more secure |
| 09:46.23 | MobyTurbo | lordurza: postfix is also considered to be very secure... |
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| 09:47.10 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: after edit /etc/group, is there anything that I need to refresh or do I just need to log out of my acct? |
| 09:47.14 | lordurza | MobyTurbo I will have to give postfix a try |
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| 09:47.28 | Danezu | hello |
| 09:47.42 | suzzi | hello Danezu |
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| 09:47.58 | simonrvn | suzzi: if it's your account you edited, yes |
| 09:48.10 | simonrvn | (just log out) |
| 09:48.28 | suzzi | simonrvn: well mine was one that was edited, though I'm more worried about the other accts. |
| 09:48.39 | suzzi | simonrvn: will they just be updated the next time they login? |
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| 09:48.56 | deadcat | why is proxyscan.freenode checking out my webpage? |
| 09:48.59 | simonrvn | it's already updated once saved |
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| 09:49.12 | suzzi | simonrvn: wonderful =) thanks |
| 09:49.19 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: thanks to you too =) |
| 09:49.21 | deadcat | anyone used ibuild to create a livecd yet? i cant get the damnt hing to work |
| 09:49.22 | simonrvn | deadcat: www.freenode.net |
| 09:49.26 | lordurza | MobyTurbo exim is what im currently using myself |
| 09:50.08 | MobyTurbo | lordurza: it's very well integrated with Debian and has easy to understand and full-featured configuration files. It's not the most secure client though, though it has a record better than sendmail... |
| 09:50.11 | Danezu | . |
| 09:50.40 | lordurza | MobyTurbo well thanks for the info ill check out postfix may stick with my exim server |
| 09:51.00 | lordurza | I like the if its not broken dont fix it theory myself =] |
| 09:51.29 | MobyTurbo | lordurza: likewise |
| 09:52.15 | SilentBob | What is the command to change the system time to GMT +1? |
| 09:52.47 | scarynetworkguy | SilentBob: tzconfig. For at least the 3rd time. |
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| 09:53.05 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: Damn, you beat me to it ;) |
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| 09:53.12 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: Heh. |
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| 09:54.09 | SilentBob | scarynetworkguy, It isn't a command. |
| 09:54.16 | SilentBob | root@debian:~# tzconfig |
| 09:54.16 | SilentBob | -su: tzconfig: command not found |
| 09:54.17 | MobyTurbo | SilentBob: I didn't know right off the bat but found it with a couple of man -k 's |
| 09:54.23 | SilentBob | scarynetworkguy, I can't apt-get it either |
| 09:54.27 | MobyTurbo | SilentBob: it's in /sbin |
| 09:54.37 | scarynetworkguy | SilentBob: Yes yes it is. |
| 09:54.46 | SilentBob | root@debian:~# ls /sbin/t* |
| 09:54.46 | SilentBob | /sbin/telinit /sbin/tune2fs |
| 09:54.51 | simonrvn | SilentBob: echo $PATH; do you see any */sbin thingys there? |
| 09:54.52 | MobyTurbo | SilentBob: /usr/sbin rather |
| 09:55.09 | SilentBob | o yea |
| 09:55.10 | SilentBob | thanks |
| 09:55.12 | SilentBob | that's why |
| 09:55.14 | MobyTurbo | SilentBob: next time use "whereis" |
| 09:55.31 | simonrvn | whereis searches $PATH |
| 09:55.39 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: no, that's "which" |
| 09:55.48 | PerfDave | SilentBob: You could have used apt-file or p.d.o to find out what package provided tzconfig, and then looked at the contents of that package. |
| 09:55.49 | simonrvn | oh yeh |
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| 09:56.04 | simonrvn | me bad |
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| 09:56.13 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: Yeah but that would have required a bit of effort on his part. |
| 09:56.15 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: np |
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| 09:57.18 | simonrvn | mmmm |
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| 09:58.54 | jethro | whereis gives the manpage as well so it's better to advice whereis then which imho :p |
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| 09:59.14 | mr_claus | hi |
| 09:59.21 | MobyTurbo | jethro: which is useful for stuff like `which foo` |
| 09:59.26 | mr_claus | is there any way to get wlan-ng working with kernel 2.6? |
| 09:59.43 | jethro | MobyTurbo: whereis does almost the smae but gives extra info compared to which, like man pages, source location, etc.. |
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| 09:59.55 | jethro | MobyTurbo: just try both on the same command you'll see |
| 10:00.03 | MobyTurbo | jethro: yes, I know. :-) |
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| 10:01.12 | MobyTurbo | jethro: just pointing out what which is better for. |
| 10:01.34 | simonrvn | whatis? |
| 10:01.38 | simonrvn | ;P |
| 10:01.56 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: that's for manpage descriptions. :-) |
| 10:02.15 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 10:02.50 | MobyTurbo | Unix is such a terrific OS for command line junkies like us. :-) |
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| 10:03.42 | simonrvn | Ineedafix |
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| 10:04.26 | daft | MobyTurbo, lynx is a terrific command line browser for donaiting to the tsunami funds |
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| 10:05.12 | MobyTurbo | daft: heh. In case others miss the humor, someone was arrested for attempting to hack the tsunami donating site for using lynx. |
| 10:05.25 | directhex|work | on solaris! |
| 10:05.33 | directhex|work | he deserved what he got for the solaris bit |
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| 10:05.57 | MobyTurbo | directhex|work: well, he had a choice between lynx and netscape 4. |
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| 10:06.15 | MobyTurbo | directhex|work: given that choice I'd be tempted to use lynx. |
| 10:06.58 | daft | I still use lynx to read gziped readme docs |
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| 10:07.22 | MobyTurbo | daft: lynx is great for html documentation or for stripping html tags converting to text. |
| 10:07.40 | MobyTurbo | daft: otherwise I usually use elinks |
| 10:08.00 | LarsAC | what is the status of security updates for sarge ? |
| 10:08.07 | daft | I use links2 with fb some times only no ssl :'( |
| 10:08.36 | directhex|work | LarsAC, what security updates? |
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| 10:09.08 | MobyTurbo | daft: well, I do use firefox often. :-) |
| 10:09.10 | LarsAC | directhex|work: like in woody |
| 10:09.31 | daft | MobyTurbo, who isnt ;) |
| 10:09.42 | MobyTurbo | LarsAC: 2-10 days after sid, if you're lucky and nothing's holding everything back. |
| 10:10.06 | MobyTurbo | daft: people who use lynx in Solaris. ;-) |
| 10:10.23 | daft | MobyTurbo, hmmzz they should be arrested |
| 10:10.37 | dobby__ | MobyTurbo, did you heard about the opensolaris project ?? |
| 10:10.37 | daft | :p |
| 10:10.51 | augul | ; ) |
| 10:11.06 | daft | opensolaris :/ |
| 10:11.06 | MobyTurbo | dobby__: yeah. Sun is already making some blunders with phony patent releasing. |
| 10:11.25 | benjamindees | am I to understand that the debian-desktop project has the means to implement backports to Stable such as outlined here? http://wiki.debian.net/?WoodyOrSid |
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| 10:11.49 | daft | benjamindees, are you on woody? |
| 10:11.50 | MobyTurbo | dobby__: Sun has become a company with schizophrenia. Schwartz especially, one day he praises Linux the next time it's time for FUD. |
| 10:12.07 | benjamindees | daft, just on my webserver |
| 10:12.50 | dobby__ | MobyTurbo: I think its a good marketing thing for sun. The give Out the Solaris source. We devlop it. And the do the support and earn money ;-) |
| 10:12.52 | MobyTurbo | Sun reverses their position in reference to free software so much it makes you dizzy. |
| 10:13.14 | MobyTurbo | I'll trust them only once they quit the fud and misinformation. |
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| 10:13.33 | daft | benjamindees, so what is your question? |
| 10:13.38 | dobby__ | ;-) |
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| 10:14.32 | augul | just another way of bull... people an a regural basis i guess |
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| 10:15.15 | benjamindees | daft, can the Debian Desktop project create packages such as those on it's own, is it allowed? |
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| 10:15.38 | PerfDave | benjamindees: Anybody can create Debian packages. |
| 10:16.19 | daft | benjamindees, you can make your own deb packages for backports to woody look at http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 10:16.48 | benjamindees | PerfDave, of course, but not everyone can create official Debian packages |
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| 10:18.58 | daft | benjamindees, DO you need help to see what deb is official or not? |
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| 10:19.23 | benjamindees | daft, no, I need help in understanding the political structure of the Debian project |
| 10:19.26 | PerfDave | benjamindees: From reading that link, it doesn't seem that they're talking about creating official Debian packages. |
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| 10:19.43 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: anyone can create packages. All it takes to make them offical is to get a DD to sponsor them |
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| 10:20.06 | idimmu | political structure, like 'does debian officially support the war in iraq?' |
| 10:20.31 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, thank you |
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| 10:21.17 | daft | idimmu, I see it for me " THIS TANK IS RUNNING DEBIAN |
| 10:21.32 | idimmu | heh |
| 10:21.36 | keta | idimmu: dpkg -P saddamn && apt-get install more-oil |
| 10:21.48 | idimmu | sweet |
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| 10:22.28 | benjamindees | error: cannot fetch package "more-oil" |
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| 10:23.06 | keta | hah |
| 10:23.11 | daft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.19 | idimmu | are you running woody, sarge, sid or bush?! |
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| 10:24.12 | benjamindees | heh, how can I downgrade from Bush to Clinton? |
| 10:24.18 | daft | lol |
| 10:24.23 | idimmu | heh |
| 10:24.25 | Active2 | bush ? i don't know that version where can i download :P |
| 10:24.49 | keta | benjamindees: package affair conflicts with clinton |
| 10:24.54 | benjamindees | actually, I'd really like to have Clinton with a few features of Bush backported |
| 10:25.32 | daft | benjamindees, you want to see sadam with a sigar in his ass? |
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| 10:25.56 | dondelelcaro | yes... he should have done cocaine instead of just smoking but not inhaling marijuana. |
| 10:26.21 | daft | smoking but not inhaling marijuana? |
| 10:26.42 | daft | that was the biggest nonsens i ever heard |
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| 10:27.37 | benjamindees | daft, no, I'd like Clinton with the amendment2 package |
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| 10:28.10 | daft | amendment2 package?? |
| 10:28.18 | daft | im nl btw (dutch) |
| 10:28.34 | benjamindees | second amendment == right to keep and bear arms |
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| 10:28.58 | idimmu | that would be cooler if it was reworded to be 'right to keep and arm bears' |
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| 10:29.35 | daft | I rather like the dutchs way 'right to smoke weed' |
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| 10:29.59 | simonrvn | i think "right to smoke weed" is safer but i'm a canuck ;) |
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| 10:30.42 | daft | I never saw some one being aggressive after a smoke |
| 10:30.44 | PerfDave | Guns don't kill people, joints do? :) |
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| 10:31.19 | scarynetworkguy | Guns don't kill people, Kids who play videogames do. |
| 10:31.38 | simonrvn | daft: i have, but he's already nutso and hyper-agressive |
| 10:31.45 | NSAfreak | Could somebody help me with what I believe is a broken install of perl? If I try and run Hlstats I get the error that I have a bad interpreter and access is denied, I know I have the correct path to perl in the script but something is wrong and I'm not sure how to correct it |
| 10:32.03 | PerfDave | Personally, I think that they should go further in the US, and legalise private ownership of tanks, mortars, and 50 cal sniper rifles. That way people might overthrow their corrupt government ;) |
| 10:32.20 | benjamindees | PerfDave, so where would they put packages such as those if not in Sid? |
| 10:32.30 | daft | \o/ new civilian wall |
| 10:32.35 | daft | war* |
| 10:32.36 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Does perl work at all? Try /usr/bin/perl -le 'print "Hello world"' |
| 10:32.49 | PerfDave | benjamindees: In their own repositories, perhaps? |
| 10:32.58 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: Here in OR you can buy a 50 cal sniper rifle. I'm thinking about saving up for one. |
| 10:33.04 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: Schweet. |
| 10:33.05 | idimmu | benjamindees clearly all the good packages, like 'tanks and mortars' go in sarge |
| 10:33.05 | benjamindees | PerfDave, oh, it's separate? |
| 10:33.13 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: Indeed. |
| 10:33.58 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: you really should take a step back and figure out how all of Debian works before worying about how to change it... |
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| 10:34.12 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: the Debian Reference will help you out a bit with that task... |
| 10:34.42 | baroni | Does someone knows if _changing_ the passphrase of a gpg to a bigger one will made it more secure? |
| 10:34.43 | NSAfreak | PerfDave if I type that in it doesn't do anything, in other words it doesn't print Hello wold |
| 10:34.48 | NSAfreak | doesn't give an error message either |
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| 10:34.52 | daft | why is it that everyone in the usa wants the 'right to keep and arm bears' |
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| 10:35.43 | daft | usa wirdest country on earth :s |
| 10:36.01 | simonrvn | we don't need to do that here, they have plenty of arms - ever seen grizzly claws? |
| 10:36.07 | NSAfreak | Perfdave perl knows it's there though kindof, if I do a perl --version it returns that I have version 5.8 installed |
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| 10:37.45 | PerfDave | benjamindees: I don't know, I'm going on the same information as you. |
| 10:38.03 | NSAfreak | Perfdave: Have any ideas on what I should do to get this fixed? |
| 10:38.04 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 10:38.12 | NSAfreak | debian 3, woody |
| 10:38.25 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Woody doesn't have Perl 5.8 |
| 10:38.32 | Annotea | hi |
| 10:38.40 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: If you've got Perl 5.8 you've installed it from somewhere, and probably broken stuff in the process. |
| 10:38.40 | Annotea | grep -c "(pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0)" /var/auth |
| 10:38.41 | NSAfreak | well I changed sources.list to testing in most of the entries |
| 10:38.47 | Annotea | Jan 30 17:17:01 zapas CRON[21145]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 10:38.48 | NSAfreak | oh crud |
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| 10:38.51 | Annotea | Jan 30 17:17:01 zapas CRON[21145]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root |
| 10:38.52 | Annotea | hacked? |
| 10:38.54 | Annotea | Jan 30 18:17:01 zapas CRON[21242]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
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| 10:38.57 | Annotea | Jan 30 18:17:01 zapas CRON[21242]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root |
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| 10:38.59 | Annotea | Jan 30 19:17:01 zapas CRON[21331]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 10:39.17 | PerfDave | Annotea: Why do you think you've been hacked? |
| 10:39.27 | krisskiller | lol |
| 10:39.29 | NSAfreak | basically what I did perfdave is changed sources.list to testing |
| 10:39.38 | NSAfreak | then ran an apt-get install dselect |
| 10:39.47 | NSAfreak | or however you do an apt-get for the dselect options |
| 10:39.50 | drac | How can I set PATH so it will be effective for everyone? |
| 10:39.55 | NSAfreak | it installed the packages I selected through dselect |
| 10:39.55 | PerfDave | drac: /etc/profile |
| 10:39.59 | daft | Annotea the normal procedure is used to login so it isnt hacking |
| 10:40.00 | NSAfreak | other than perl things seem fine |
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| 10:40.19 | drac | PerfDave: /etc/profile works for all shells, like zsh? |
| 10:40.24 | daft | why knows no one the real meaning of the word hakcing |
| 10:40.28 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: You want to run "apt-get dist-upgrade" and completely migrate your system to Testing, probably. |
| 10:40.30 | daft | hacking even |
| 10:40.36 | NSAfreak | ok |
| 10:40.37 | PerfDave | drac: No idea, sorry. |
| 10:40.45 | simonrvn | Annotea: wth are you pasting random auth.log crap? |
| 10:40.50 | drac | Ok, thanks anyway. |
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| 10:41.24 | Shadur | ... |
| 10:41.24 | daft | simonrvn, (s)he things (s)he is hacked |
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| 10:41.39 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Of course, with a broken perl, "apt-get dist-upgrade" may not work, but it's got to be worth a go :) |
| 10:41.43 | Shadur | Am I going mad, or did the latest sid tetex update just try to delete /usr/local ? |
| 10:41.54 | NSAfreak | PerfDave: It didn't work |
| 10:42.05 | NSAfreak | There is one error message that apt-get keeps spitting out though |
| 10:42.17 | NSAfreak | is there someway I can make it so I don't flood? |
| 10:42.27 | simonrvn | well s/he hasn't been cracked. that's normal root su'ing stuff |
| 10:42.30 | daft | NSAfreak, TOPIC |
| 10:42.58 | simonrvn | Shadur: no, it moved stuff that was in /usr/local to /var/lib or such |
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| 10:43.22 | NSAfreak | PerfDave I'm going to paste the message in flood, could you /join that channel for a moment? |
| 10:43.40 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Sure |
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| 10:43.53 | Shadur | simonrvn: And it tried to delete the directory /usr/local but couldn't because it wasn't empty. |
| 10:44.16 | simonrvn | Shadur: it's ok. didn't delete anything it wasn't supposed to |
| 10:44.23 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: That's not an error message, it's a warning (hence the W:) |
| 10:44.33 | NSAfreak | oh ok |
| 10:44.43 | NSAfreak | well I saw it every time I did an apt-get install or something |
| 10:44.56 | NSAfreak | any other ways I could conceivably fix the broken perl install? |
| 10:45.16 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: That's because your sources.list references a CD which apt-cdrom doesn't know about. Comment it out of the sources.list, then do "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". |
| 10:45.22 | simonrvn | unpack some basic perl debs into /, and run an install |
| 10:45.29 | NSAfreak | ok |
| 10:45.38 | simonrvn | do what PerfDave said |
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| 10:46.08 | NSAfreak | did both |
| 10:46.15 | NSAfreak | actually had done both previously |
| 10:46.19 | NSAfreak | just forgot to tell you |
| 10:46.21 | NSAfreak | no change in perl though |
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| 10:46.53 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: What do you mean, "no change"? |
| 10:47.12 | NSAfreak | if I try and run a perl script I get the error message /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
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| 10:47.29 | BeBrA | hello |
| 10:47.35 | NSAfreak | hello BeBrA |
| 10:47.35 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Wait a minute. Did you dist-upgrade your system to Testing, completely? Did it install lots of new stuff? |
| 10:47.43 | BeBrA | after some update last night I lost rc*.d |
| 10:47.43 | NSAfreak | oh yeah |
| 10:47.56 | BeBrA | how can I restore them? |
| 10:48.03 | Annotea | daft: , simonrvn , only I have user. and last login is 30days ago |
| 10:48.11 | NSAfreak | well, actually now that I think about it no |
| 10:48.12 | Coke | Is there any way to mark the found items when searching in mutt? Like "mark matches" and then later I can execute commands like "delete all marked" or "set all marked to read". Is it possible in mutt? |
| 10:48.17 | aethis | could anyone tell me what this mean and how to fix it? farpd terminates as soon as i ping one of the adresses it is supposed to take care of. farpd: event.c:547: event_add: Assertion `!(ev->ev_flags & ~(0xf000 | 0x9f))' failed. Abort |
| 10:48.18 | NSAfreak | the dist-upgrade did like 2-3 packages |
| 10:48.27 | simonrvn | Annotea: yeh, so? |
| 10:48.29 | jethro | Coke: ask #mutt |
| 10:48.34 | NSAfreak | what did do a bunch of upgrading was apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 10:48.53 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Make sure that all the lines that said "stable" now say "testing" in your sources.list and run dist-upgrade again |
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| 10:49.01 | Annotea | simonrvn: so wtf? why session opened for user root? |
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| 10:49.21 | simonrvn | Annotea: normal system operation. it *is* a multi-user OS... |
| 10:49.26 | NSAfreak | they do & I did |
| 10:49.27 | PerfDave | Annotea: Read the line again. Cron did it. |
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| 10:49.46 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Right. Now do "apt-get --reinstall install perl" and see if that fixes it? |
| 10:49.58 | NSAfreak | ok |
| 10:49.59 | Shachar | does anyone know why iptables (sarge) won't work on kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp? |
| 10:50.04 | aethis | Anyone here familiar with arpd or farpd? |
| 10:50.14 | Coke | jethro: oh, yeah. suprisingly, people in Debian sometimes have more info on a particular software than the developers themselves. :) |
| 10:50.47 | PerfDave | Coke: You can search and tag, with T |
| 10:50.48 | jethro | Coke: such a specific question has more chances to find its answer in #mutt though |
| 10:50.52 | NSAfreak | That didn't fix it :( |
| 10:51.07 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: What happened when you typed in that command? |
| 10:51.18 | NSAfreak | want me to paste the output in #flood? |
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| 10:51.27 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Sure |
| 10:51.59 | Coke | PerfDave: I'll investigate. |
| 10:52.01 | petemc | Coke: you can use l to limit matches to.. , then hold down t to tag the messages, ;command to operate on those messages |
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| 10:52.47 | Lovecraft | bind ^w next_window |
| 10:52.49 | Lovecraft | Oops |
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| 10:53.28 | BeBrA | please, which .deb package contains /etc/rc*.d? |
| 10:53.41 | SilentBob | How can I hook my debian up with an ntp server? |
| 10:53.43 | simonrvn | sysv-rc |
| 10:53.47 | SlayerXP | BeBrA: http://packages.debian.org/ note the "search" options |
| 10:53.48 | Annotea | PerfDave: why cron need open session for user root? :) (pam_unix)! i meen, last login 30days ago |
| 10:53.55 | PerfDave | SilentBob: apt-cache search ntp |
| 10:54.00 | PerfDave | Annotea: man cron |
| 10:54.09 | BeBrA | SlayerXP: I just did it, but can't find |
| 10:54.23 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: What happens now if you do /usr/bin/perl -le 'print "Hello World"' |
| 10:54.59 | daft | PerfDave, can I guess that? |
| 10:55.16 | NSAfreak | I need a . in the beginning of that right? |
| 10:55.27 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: In the beginning of what? |
| 10:55.34 | daft | NSAfreak, No |
| 10:55.34 | NSAfreak | the line you gave me |
| 10:55.36 | PerfDave | daft: Can you guess what? |
| 10:55.40 | NSAfreak | nvm |
| 10:55.41 | Lovecraft | Can I buy a vowel Pat? I'd like an 'n', please. |
| 10:55.42 | NSAfreak | I don't |
| 10:55.47 | NSAfreak | it printed hello world |
| 10:55.52 | NSAfreak | so perl seems to be working |
| 10:55.53 | Coke | petemc: you wouldn't happen to know how to unlimit? :) |
| 10:55.56 | NSAfreak | but this script is having issues |
| 10:55.56 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Then your perl is working :) |
| 10:56.01 | NSAfreak | I wonder what the heck is wrong |
| 10:56.27 | NSAfreak | why would a script get a permission denied error message? |
| 10:56.34 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Dunno, but it's not Perl's problem any more. |
| 10:56.38 | NSAfreak | oh god, I really don't want to try and debug hlstats |
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| 10:56.43 | NSAfreak | that's more perl than I know |
| 10:56.48 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Because it's trying to do something it doesn't have permission to do? |
| 10:56.54 | NSAfreak | it should have permission |
| 10:56.58 | NSAfreak | I'm running it as root |
| 10:57.02 | NSAfreak | solely for testing |
| 10:57.33 | NSAfreak | normally it'll be running as a different user |
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| 10:57.33 | Kerr | Is it safe to install Wine HQ's sid package on my sarge box? sidnet config hangs on the wine version i have now, and reccomends a newer version. |
| 10:57.46 | directhex|work | kerneld, sidenet was fine on my sarge machine. |
| 10:57.49 | Kerr | sidenet^ |
| 10:58.06 | PerfDave | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.16 | SilentBob | Unpacking ntp (from .../ntp_1%3a4.2.0a-11_i386.deb) ... |
| 10:58.16 | SilentBob | Setting up ntp (4.2.0a-11) ... |
| 10:58.18 | Eclipser | is it just me or does freenode lag like hell o.O |
| 10:58.26 | NSAfreak | PerfDave: Is that the command I should use? |
| 10:58.29 | SilentBob | How do I start ntp? |
| 10:58.29 | SilentBob | So it syncs the time. |
| 10:58.32 | Kerr | mine hangs on: Setting up default registry ... |
| 10:58.42 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: No, just a demonstration of a perl script having a "permission denied" error message ;) |
| 10:58.44 | Eclipser | SilentBob, it does it on startup at least :) |
| 10:58.44 | directhex|work | Kerr, http://apebox.net/imglibrary.php?section=three&browse=//Desktops&image=msie.png |
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| 10:58.55 | zouhair | hi |
| 10:58.56 | Eclipser | SilentBob, I would guess 'ntpdate' |
| 10:58.56 | SilentBob | Eclipser, How can I do it now? |
| 10:58.59 | PerfDave | SilentBob: /usr/share/doc/ntp/ |
| 10:58.59 | SilentBob | thanks |
| 10:59.18 | Eclipser | been so long since I last used it |
| 10:59.33 | zouhair | whats the website that show the type of servers of webdomain |
| 10:59.34 | NSAfreak | PerfDave: Thanks for the example but to be honest I don't know perl so I don't know what to make of your example |
| 10:59.35 | Kerr | directhex|work: what version of wine is that? |
| 10:59.35 | zouhair | y?? |
| 11:00.00 | Eclipser | !y |
| 11:00.00 | dpkg | methinks y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 11:00.03 | Kerr | i'm having trouble with 20040914-1 |
| 11:00.04 | directhex|work | Kerr, 0.0.20040914-1 |
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| 11:00.39 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Well, I don't use hlstats so I have no idea what's up with it. |
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| 11:00.44 | Kerr | directhex|work: Why would it hang for me :-/ ? |
| 11:00.51 | NSAfreak | I understand, not everybody does |
| 11:00.53 | PerfDave | NSAfreak: Sorry about that. |
| 11:00.57 | NSAfreak | It's cool |
| 11:00.57 | petemc | Coke: just quit mutt and start it again |
| 11:00.59 | NSAfreak | not your fault |
| 11:01.01 | directhex|work | Kerr, it hates you and thinks you smell? |
| 11:01.04 | NSAfreak | I'll post on the forums for the script |
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| 11:01.21 | PerfDave | zouhair: http://www.netcraft.com/ ? |
| 11:01.26 | directhex|work | Kerr, it's tempermental. wine just segfaults on this amd64 machine in a sarge32 chroot |
| 11:01.31 | Kerr | directhex|work: sharp, but; i left it to install whilst i got a shower, so i smell nice :) |
| 11:01.34 | zouhair | THANKS |
| 11:01.40 | jm_ | Coke: l~A<enter> |
| 11:02.03 | Kerr | ah |
| 11:02.22 | petemc | jm_: or that :) |
| 11:02.33 | Kerr | directhex|work: in that case, do i have anything to lose by instaling the unstable package.. can't break something that doesn't work. |
| 11:02.42 | directhex|work | Kerr, true |
| 11:02.44 | Kerr | directhex|work: or would it be wiser to find me a backport? |
| 11:02.54 | Kerr | if there are any |
| 11:03.10 | directhex|work | Kerr, sarge and sid mix for now. /msg dpkg simple sid/sarge mix |
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| 11:04.17 | Coke | jm_ & petemc: indeed. the friendly #mutt-people directed me to the pattern section of the manual. I'm having the same problems I have when I started with Debian; I'm going fucking insane from the fact that everybody doesn't use this software! |
| 11:04.25 | drac | directhex|work: heh, i tried that one, dpkg said "are you smoking crack?" :P |
| 11:04.41 | PerfDave | People use mail clients that aren't mutt? Freaks! |
| 11:04.49 | Kerr | hmm.. dpkg doesn't like that one |
| 11:04.50 | Coke | Yeah. |
| 11:04.51 | jm_ | Coke: I stopped using mutt a few years ago ;) |
| 11:05.00 | directhex|work | drac, he did? bah. |
| 11:05.05 | Coke | And it seems there are people out there not using Debian either. |
| 11:05.14 | Coke | I'm telling you, the world is suboptimal and insane at once. |
| 11:05.25 | PerfDave | Coke: They're just misguided, rather than Just Plain Wrong ;) |
| 11:05.35 | directhex|work | quick, not simple. quick sid/sarge mix. |
| 11:05.46 | PerfDave | Actually, I think I'll let people use kmail, as long as they use mutt too. |
| 11:05.57 | Coke | PerfDave: yeah, you can't say they are "wrong" because there's nothing wrong with wasting a lot of your life-span on useless things. |
| 11:06.11 | Coke | jm_: what did you switch to? |
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| 11:06.18 | jm_ | Coke: sylpheed-claws |
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| 11:07.17 | Coke | jm_: my mom used to use it before thunderbird became stable. |
| 11:08.10 | vulture | mutt! |
| 11:08.36 | PerfDave | Coke: Nah, using non-mutt mail clients is wrong like smearing yourself in faeces. There's nothing inherently wrong with it per se, it doesn't hurt anybody else, but you expect that right-minded people find it a little distasteful. |
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| 11:09.12 | Delph | PerfDave: does mutt do inline images now? |
| 11:09.17 | vulture | an appropriate mail client related image: http://skye.shacknet.nu/~vulture/images/rofl.jpg |
| 11:09.24 | vulture | Delph: images? bah. |
| 11:09.43 | PerfDave | Delph: If you want it to, sure. But real e-mail doesn't have inline images. You'll be wanting HTML mail next. |
| 11:09.49 | Eclipser | email should be text only |
| 11:09.56 | vulture | indeed |
| 11:09.59 | Delph | Eclipser: no; email should be whatever you want it to be. |
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| 11:10.09 | Eclipser | internet should be text only! |
| 11:10.11 | Delph | dont deny a technology because you dont use it =:) |
| 11:10.15 | Freek_NL | text only |
| 11:10.16 | Coke | PerfDave: on the other hand, who is to say what is right-minded and not? ponder the last 100 years of human history and tell me you don't think the normal ought to be declared abnormal. |
| 11:10.33 | PerfDave | Coke: Me. |
| 11:10.37 | vulture | Delph: I deny it because it leads to stupid things like scriptable, dynamic, exploitable mail clients. |
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| 11:10.42 | Freek_NL | wiki syntaxes in mail would be nice |
| 11:10.44 | phin | hello |
| 11:10.46 | Freek_NL | still plaintext |
| 11:10.50 | PerfDave | I am the arbiter of all that is good and proper. |
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| 11:11.04 | Delph | vulture: an error in implementation, not in idea. |
| 11:11.17 | phin | does it make sense that on a k6-2 300 w/64megs would get faster performance from a 2.4.27-k6 kernel as opposed to the latest 2.6 kernel in sid? |
| 11:11.28 | Delph | vulture: computers being able to execute code leads to scriptable dynamic exploitable mail clients. |
| 11:11.36 | PerfDave | phin: Define "faster performance" |
| 11:11.43 | phin | the system just feels more responsive |
| 11:11.46 | asuffield | Delph: there is definitely an error in the idea of a mail client that runs some code in the mail on receiving it |
| 11:11.49 | phin | X loads much faster |
| 11:11.59 | benjamindees | phin, yes |
| 11:12.03 | vulture | Delph: the idea that mail should contain dynamic content is just b0rked, much like websites, imo |
| 11:12.22 | Delph | last i saw, it wasn't dynamic content, more like static content, with graphics. |
| 11:12.30 | Coke | phin: what graphics driver do you use? |
| 11:12.39 | phin | this thing has a neographics |
| 11:12.41 | phin | its an old laptop |
| 11:12.56 | phin | sorry |
| 11:12.58 | phin | neomagic |
| 11:13.00 | Coke | vulture: I agree. Web applications are an abomination. |
| 11:13.03 | Delph | anyhow ->> work. |
| 11:13.25 | NSAfreak | Goody, I fixed it. I just had to get the mysql:DBD for perl installed |
| 11:13.26 | NSAfreak | that fixed it |
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| 11:13.47 | vulture | Coke: I don't really have a problem with web applications, as long as the dynamic nature is _server_ side. |
| 11:13.57 | vulture | these obscenely scripted web pages annoy me |
| 11:14.16 | Coke | vulture: you do not oppose the fact that the entire world is trying to build stateful GUI applications with a stateless server and text formatting technology? |
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| 11:15.36 | vulture | Coke: in that sense it's a bit b0rked - if there was another protocol that pretty much every firewall let through I'd be more inclined to look at alternatives. It's certainly not an idea motivated by ideal engineering principles |
| 11:17.21 | Coke | vulture: SSH is widely accepted, it's not impossible to tunnel things through that. |
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| 11:17.45 | Coke | vulture: in any case, I'd like to see some distributed application where the client is EXTREMELY thin, like X11, but without the nonsense that X11 does. |
| 11:18.32 | PerfDave | Coke: Java applets! :) |
| 11:18.43 | vulture | Coke: a fair few firewalls don't even allow that.. companies etc.. |
| 11:18.49 | Coke | PerfDave: no, that is not distributed applications, that is downloading the application and running it locally. |
| 11:18.59 | Coke | vulture: None interresting. |
| 11:19.06 | vulture | Coke: ? |
| 11:19.17 | Coke | vulture: I haven't worked at one single company that wouldn't allow SSH |
| 11:19.37 | daxxar | What textbased browsers except lynx-ssl support ssl? (debian/stable) |
| 11:19.47 | vulture | Coke: what sort of companies do you work for? |
| 11:19.49 | daxxar | Since lynx doesn't seem to support the authentication scheme used by the remote host. |
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| 11:20.12 | vulture | daxxar: elinks does, I think |
| 11:20.23 | vulture | yeah |
| 11:20.24 | daxxar | Not the one in debian/stable, vulture :/ |
| 11:20.37 | Coke | vulture: any type of company that has an IT department or in other ways require programmers. |
| 11:20.38 | Freek_NL | offtopic: whats the name of that tool that converts MSN to IRC? (conversations in different channels etc) ? |
| 11:20.39 | vulture | *shrugs* |
| 11:20.51 | daxxar | Error. This version of ELinks does not contain SSL/TLS support. |
| 11:21.02 | jethro | daxxar: w3m ? |
| 11:21.13 | vulture | Coke: there are lots of companies out there that don't require programmers.. |
| 11:21.16 | daxxar | jethro, i'll try, thanks. |
| 11:21.19 | Coke | vulture: besides, even so, we're talking applications, not sale pitch sites. if somebody has bought your product and you tell them to allow loc->net on SSH they most likely will. |
| 11:21.30 | jethro | w3m-ssl - WWW browsable pager with SSL support |
| 11:21.32 | daxxar | Freek_NL: bitlbee |
| 11:21.39 | daxxar | jethro, yep, I'm installing it. |
| 11:21.40 | jethro | daxxar: and that's on a woody system |
| 11:21.48 | Coke | vulture: your web site with your PR will still be available, just that the purchased application license uses SSH instead of HTTPS |
| 11:21.52 | vulture | Coke: at my old high school they didn't have ssh access, and they had a small IT group (that was due to the department of education providing the 'net connection, and locking it down excessively) |
| 11:21.54 | Freek_NL | daxxar, thanks mate |
| 11:22.21 | daxxar | jethro, yep, it's installed. Hm. Doesn't seem that it supports the auth scheme either. |
| 11:22.29 | vulture | Coke: there are lots of sites that provide "applications" of a kind without a purchase |
| 11:22.44 | jethro | daxxar: it does |
| 11:22.45 | vulture | Coke: You can renew your car registration online, check bank information, etc.. |
| 11:22.50 | daxxar | Alert!: Invalid header 'WWW-Authenticate: Negotiate' |
| 11:22.52 | daxxar | Alert!: Invalid header 'WWW-Authenticate: NTLM' |
| 11:22.53 | jethro | daxxar: you mean client certificate authentication? |
| 11:23.12 | jethro | daxxar: oh yes ntlm ain't supported that much with opensource browsers |
| 11:23.19 | daxxar | Bah. Stupid ISP. |
| 11:23.45 | Coke | vulture: if all them changed to SSH, don't you think that the organisations you speak of would change their mind rather than deprive their employes of those services? |
| 11:23.56 | MobyTurbo | daxxar: the latest version of firefox is said to support NTLM |
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| 11:24.09 | daxxar | I'm doing a project for them, and I'm supposed to talk to their server via XML-RPC over HTTPS, but they want me to get the certificate from that site. And they're saying I *have* to get the certificate from the same server that will be running the application I'm working on, but that server hasn't got anything but textmode. (obviously) |
| 11:24.16 | jethro | MobyTurbo: it ain't textbased tho |
| 11:24.28 | MobyTurbo | ah, nm then. :-) |
| 11:24.30 | vulture | Coke: if they all did, in some miraculous unified effort, maybe. But that's the point, they target http[s] because businesses are already set up this way, and because they do it more business do that, etc.. |
| 11:24.54 | Coke | vulture: so, let's not promote firefox, let's just install windows and use IE, because that's what everybody expects? |
| 11:25.01 | vulture | Coke: like I said, it's motivated by the nature of the way things are, not how one might do things in some ideal world |
| 11:25.26 | jethro | Coke: vulture, this has been off topic for quite enough time now hasn't it? |
| 11:25.57 | vulture | jethro: it's not flaming, it's not interfering, I don't see how it's problematic.. but I don't mind either way |
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| 11:25.59 | Trewas | Coke: what kind of applications would run over SSH? console applications which would probably work in every SSH-client (though no one would care because they wouldn't be graphical) or kludging X over ssh (which "no-one" would use because it would need X)? |
| 11:26.21 | jethro | vulture: it's polluting and against the channel guidelines :) nothing against you nor coke :p |
| 11:26.44 | vulture | jethro: a fair few off topic discussions extend for quite a period here, it's just a matter of having the right topic |
| 11:26.50 | Coke | Trewas: we were talking about tunneling a suplemental protocol. and really, I don't care what protocol is used as long as we move towards not building stateful GUI applications using stateless text formatting technology |
| 11:26.52 | MobyTurbo | Trewas: openssh has support for using X over it, in fact it's probably the remote-usage-of-X choice. |
| 11:27.08 | jethro | vulture: indeed, but I always let the ot people when I think what they say has nothing to do in here :p |
| 11:27.28 | jethro | s/people/people know/ |
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| 11:29.09 | Trewas | Coke: fair enough, though lack of such suplemental protocol in common use would be a bit of hindrance :) |
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| 11:29.23 | OleMoudi | hi, do you guys know any way to improve (minimize) memory usage on my gnome 2.8? I already selected the simplest theme and unloaded unnecessary applets. Any other tip? (and yes, I know xcfe) |
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| 11:30.36 | DotHack | OleMoudi: with xrestop you can see what apps are eating your mem |
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| 11:31.21 | OleMoudi | I'm seeing that with gnome-system-monitor, but they all seem to be necessary |
| 11:31.26 | helix | what is "jupe" in IRC context? like a channel jupe or something |
| 11:31.30 | helix | or channel juped |
| 11:31.35 | OleMoudi | by the way 10 mbytes of memory for the clock applet? |
| 11:31.42 | PerfDave | helix: Duplicate? At a complete guess. |
| 11:31.50 | helix | I don't think so |
| 11:31.50 | OleMoudi | I think its too much |
| 11:31.57 | helix | it would be something that kicks you off a server |
| 11:31.58 | SlayerXP | helix: illiterate contraction of "duplicate" I guess. |
| 11:32.21 | DotHack | OleMoudi: mm its 844Bytes here |
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| 11:32.41 | Roobarb-Work | what file says whether an account is locked or not? |
| 11:33.03 | OleMoudi | somehow mine its sucking ten mb of memory |
| 11:33.17 | OleMoudi | and the same is doing the weather applet |
| 11:33.35 | PerfDave | OleMoudi: Are you sure that's not shared memory with something else? |
| 11:33.40 | SlayerXP | memory is cheap |
| 11:33.40 | DotHack | OleMoudi: gnome-system-moniter give 18mb memory sage that cant be right can it |
| 11:33.49 | jm_ | helix: make unavaliable |
| 11:34.03 | helix | jm_: does it k-line or what? |
| 11:34.19 | OleMoudi | ok so its 9 mb total, 6 shared for clock applet |
| 11:34.27 | OleMoudi | thats better |
| 11:34.40 | jm_ | helix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupe |
| 11:34.43 | OleMoudi | or at least thats what gnome-system-monitor says |
| 11:34.52 | OleMoudi | SlayerXP, would you buy me some? |
| 11:34.59 | helix | ahh |
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| 11:35.07 | SlayerXP | OleMoudi: nope. |
| 11:35.12 | helix | jm_: duh, why didn't I think to check wikipedia, the great oracle of the intarweb. thanks :) |
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| 11:49.47 | elirips | hello. is there an easy way how i can find out what i don't need in my kernel? |
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| 11:50.04 | benjamindees | wow there are a lot of proposals here http://wiki.debian.net/?ReleaseProposals |
| 11:50.22 | vota_claus | hi there is there an available guide on managing cows with debian? |
| 11:50.35 | PerfDave | vota_claus: apt-get moo |
| 11:50.36 | vota_claus | cow=cluster of workstation |
| 11:50.43 | vota_claus | PerfDave: LOL |
| 11:50.45 | directhex|work | !win PerfDave |
| 11:50.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, PerfDave! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 11:51.17 | Guerin | PerfDave: it's worrisome when you can just type that without going WTF |
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| 11:52.50 | PerfDave | vota_claus: What are you looking at doing with your cluster of workstations? |
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| 11:53.17 | PerfDave | vota_claus: There are automated installers and installation replicators, there's tools like apt-proxy to aid with package management. |
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| 11:54.06 | zra79 | salut tou le monde |
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| 11:55.15 | supaman | !french |
| 11:55.16 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:55.51 | zra79 | #debian-fr |
| 11:56.09 | vota_claus | PerfDave: I need some guide to handle users, discs, xsessions |
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| 11:59.01 | PerfDave | vota_claus: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 11:59.35 | vota_claus | we have a lab here and we where asked to reinstall all ws, they now running redhat |
| 11:59.57 | vota_claus | we need centralised accoutn management and user homes |
| 12:00.16 | vota_claus | and we need xdmcp |
| 12:00.54 | vota_claus | basically |
| 12:01.26 | Rawplayer | vota_claus: radius |
| 12:01.29 | sep | vota_claus: debian-edu have all that built in. look at http://www.skolelinux.org |
| 12:01.37 | vota_claus | then we need all machines to have same version of packages |
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| 12:02.03 | simonrvn | *drool* radius + ldap |
| 12:02.18 | PerfDave | And NFS for the shared /home? |
| 12:02.26 | simonrvn | AFS !! |
| 12:02.27 | vota_claus | radius? |
| 12:02.28 | simonrvn | :P |
| 12:02.36 | PerfDave | simonrvn: ADFS? |
| 12:02.40 | vota_claus | for account management? |
| 12:02.58 | vota_claus | I was thinking about nis or ldap |
| 12:03.04 | vota_claus | do you suggest radius? |
| 12:03.11 | sep | vota_claus: nfs is for centralized storage |
| 12:03.14 | simonrvn | vota_claus: i use ldap here |
| 12:03.22 | simonrvn | ignore nis |
| 12:03.37 | directhex|work | yay for nis! |
| 12:03.43 | simonrvn | @lart directhex|work |
| 12:03.55 | vota_claus | sep I know it, thanks |
| 12:04.03 | simonrvn | NOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
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| 12:04.17 | vota_claus | simonrvn: yep I was considering it |
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| 12:04.29 | vota_claus | but why radius? |
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| 12:05.12 | vota_claus | sep what's the difference between skolelinux and debian? |
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| 12:05.49 | directhex|work | !skolelinux |
| 12:05.49 | dpkg | from memory, skolelinux is at http://www.skolelinux.no/, or a derivative of debian for Norwegian schools, supposedly easier to install. We are developing a Linux distribution for schools. Our aim is to make it simple to install and maintain. Furthermore, to be of real use from primary school on up, it should be available in as many local languages as possible. |
| 12:05.51 | Zero_Dogg | vota_claus: Skolelinux is a debian based distribution specially created for schools |
| 12:05.52 | katabroc | Hi guys, I have a usb mouse and it works ok with X, now i've plugged it in ps/2 with a ps/2-usb connector, and it is not working anymore. i thing I have made the right configs no XFconf file, but is still not working. What do I have to change in XFconf file? |
| 12:06.11 | directhex|work | !devinputmice |
| 12:06.11 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 12:06.17 | PerfDave | katabroc: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 12:06.21 | PerfDave | katabroc: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 12:06.38 | katabroc | PerfDave, ok, thanks |
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| 12:07.09 | sep | vota_claus: what dpkg said it's debian with centralized storage/user accounts etc etc, all you need to add is your package management system |
| 12:07.17 | sep | available as a woody or sarge system |
| 12:07.41 | Zero_Dogg | Skolelinux Sarge is not really ready yet |
| 12:08.16 | sep | about as ready as sarge is, ie working but not supported or released |
| 12:08.29 | Zero_Dogg | not working in all cases, no :P |
| 12:09.05 | sep | okay not as good as sarge then ? :) |
| 12:09.33 | Zero_Dogg | the modifications aren't working as good as with woody yet I believe. There are some test builds that may or may not work ;) |
| 12:09.34 | sep | but if your installing anyway, why not just give it a try... |
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| 12:10.16 | vota_claus | sep: I need something stable |
| 12:10.29 | sep | woody then stable as can be |
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| 12:10.59 | Zero_Dogg | yup |
| 12:11.39 | vota_claus | Can I install centralized administration tools that come with skolelinux on woody? |
| 12:12.14 | Zero_Dogg | Skolelinux is based upon woody |
| 12:12.21 | sep | vota_claus: skolelinux uses the packages in woody, the thing with skolelinux is that it has a packaged called debian-edu-config that configures everything together |
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| 12:12.31 | sep | you can add tyeh packages and configure them naualy if yuou so wish |
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| 12:12.54 | sep | and i should stop typing now, since my fingers obviously topped working |
| 12:13.05 | Zero_Dogg | lol |
| 12:13.13 | pingouin | :) |
| 12:14.00 | jim | vota_claus: try it and see |
| 12:14.32 | vota_claus | yep :) I'll do it |
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| 12:14.49 | jim | if it's that close it just might work fine |
| 12:14.58 | vota_claus | sep: sorry for your fingers |
| 12:15.09 | sep | vota_claus: your welcome :) |
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| 12:15.10 | jim | fingers are for playing bass |
| 12:15.37 | ZooR | Hi everyone. I'm a n00b when it comes to linux and I've just succeeded in installing Debian on my laptop. Now... the screen wasn't really what I would think it would be. Its like the picture is way too small than my screen. Now as an old windows geezer I'd know were to turn. But I have no clue what so ever in Debian or Linux for that matter. Any Ideas? I'd appreciate the help =) |
| 12:15.59 | jim | does this skolelinux have an apt repository you'd have in addition to the normal woody one? |
| 12:16.57 | jim | ZooR: is it graphical? |
| 12:17.25 | Zero_Dogg | jim: Skolelinux has a additional apt repo I think |
| 12:17.42 | Zero_Dogg | though I'm not 100% sure |
| 12:17.44 | sep | Zero_Dogg: correct |
| 12:17.49 | jim | Zero_Dogg: so you;d have to have that and woody in your sources.list? |
| 12:17.57 | jim | sep too :) |
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| 12:18.31 | Zero_Dogg | jim: if you want packages from woody then yes |
| 12:18.47 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:18.58 | Zero_Dogg | got to run |
| 12:19.00 | nevyn | evil space in the buffer |
| 12:19.17 | jim | evil space... delta quadrant? |
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| 12:20.37 | ZooR | jim: yes it is. I use gnome. But how can I make gnome understand that I've got a larger monitor? |
| 12:20.53 | nevyn | ZooR: that's not gnome's problem.. it's X's |
| 12:21.07 | jim | does the picture cover your whole monitor space? |
| 12:21.29 | jim | or is it up in the upper left only, or in the middle only or something like that? |
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| 12:21.54 | jim | but nevyn is right, this is not gnome causing the problem |
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| 12:22.47 | nevyn | jim: it's not gnome's responcibility to fix it was my point. |
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| 12:23.36 | ZooR | nevyn: ah. Not that that gives me any clue but ok. Where do I config X ? |
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| 12:23.44 | ZooR | jim: No it doesn't |
| 12:23.56 | ZooR | Its in the middle... but it doesn't cover the whole screen |
| 12:24.15 | |rufius| | sounds to me like the resolution is just too small or something |
| 12:24.34 | |rufius| | which can be fixed in XF86Config-4 |
| 12:24.47 | nevyn | more likely the sync rates are incorrectly configured. |
| 12:25.08 | |rufius| | ya? i wasn't aware that'd mess up the size of the viewable screen |
| 12:25.20 | |rufius| | interesting, learn something new everyday ;) |
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| 12:26.22 | nevyn | ZooR: what did you select for your monitors hsync and vsync range? and what did you select as the maximum resolution? |
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| 12:27.09 | sep | ZooR: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in the end there you can select your resolution ou want the same resolution as your lcd uses |
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| 12:28.13 | coachz | hi |
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| 12:29.07 | coachz | I installed Sarge 6 months ago. It was testing then. How does it work, will my box always be "testing" and sarge becomes stable or what? |
| 12:29.35 | supaman | coachz: depends on what your /etc/apm/sources.list says ... |
| 12:29.38 | ZooR | nevyn: ohh good question. The highest I could. Dont really remember... 600*800 or something like that |
| 12:29.47 | ZooR | sep: ohhh... lots and lots of thanks. |
| 12:29.48 | supaman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:30.13 | ZooR | gah... time for work. I really appreciate all the help people. Good to find a helping hand when you're lost your self =) |
| 12:30.25 | coachz | it says this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/yOpFfR78.html |
| 12:30.55 | sep | coachz: then it will allways be testing, unless you change it |
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| 12:31.06 | coachz | has sarge turned stable yet? |
| 12:31.08 | directhex|work | coachz, up to you. you can either follow sarge when sarge becomes stable, or follow testing |
| 12:31.17 | supaman | nope |
| 12:31.22 | coachz | ok, i get it now |
| 12:31.25 | sep | you can change testing to sarge, then it will allways be sarge ie it will become stable when sarge is released |
| 12:31.25 | coachz | thanks a lot |
| 12:31.32 | directhex|work | coachz, your current setup means when sarge goes stable, you'll stay on testing (etch, sarge+1) |
| 12:31.38 | coachz | oh, that's cool |
| 12:31.52 | coachz | is there a name for sarge+1 yet? |
| 12:31.58 | supaman | sid |
| 12:31.59 | directhex|work | coachz, etch |
| 12:32.08 | coachz | that's a very easy way to manage this. |
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| 12:32.27 | supaman | isnt it sarge -> sid -> etch ? |
| 12:32.31 | broke | any good alternatives to deamon tools for windows ? |
| 12:32.35 | directhex|work | supaman, sid is unstable. |
| 12:32.38 | takatumi | supaman: use superbrains |
| 12:32.50 | coachz | so when sarge goes stable, sid goes testing? |
| 12:32.52 | directhex|work | broke, alcohol 52% |
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| 12:33.03 | sep | sid is allways unstable |
| 12:33.04 | directhex|work | coachz, no, sid is sid. etch becomes testing/ |
| 12:33.06 | benjamindees | supaman, unstable is always called sid |
| 12:33.09 | coachz | okie |
| 12:33.11 | takatumi | they detected blood in his alcohol. |
| 12:33.14 | supaman | ach sooo |
| 12:33.17 | broke | directhex: whut ? |
| 12:33.34 | coachz | sounds great |
| 12:33.35 | incorrect | does anyone know if there is a home page for debootstrap? |
| 12:33.36 | Freek_NL | coachz, http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 12:33.38 | directhex|work | broke, www.alcohol-soft.com |
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| 12:33.56 | coachz | now that i compiled Postgres 8 yesterday i would expect a package today ;-) |
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| 12:34.19 | takatumi | incorrect: the man page is ok, however if you are shifting from an OS other than debian, debootstrap another partition. |
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| 12:34.55 | bernouli | anyone uses jedit? |
| 12:35.09 | takatumi | bernouli: no. |
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| 12:35.28 | broke | directhex: I need a linux versjon of deamon tools |
| 12:35.46 | takatumi | broke: your spellings are broken. |
| 12:35.47 | directhex|work | broke, erm... you can just mount iso files |
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| 12:35.51 | Zapelius | I need to hide the X cursor. I found this http://www.spinics.net/lists/xfree86/msg09839.html ; means recompiling X |
| 12:35.55 | broke | yeah, sorry guys |
| 12:36.09 | Zapelius | but in which X src package is that file included that I need to recompile? |
| 12:36.15 | torc | hello, how can i specify my own CFLAGS for apt-get source ? |
| 12:36.16 | broke | well, like I just downloaded java package from sun |
| 12:36.21 | broke | and its bin |
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| 12:36.30 | nevyn | Zapelius: ? |
| 12:36.33 | directhex|work | XD |
| 12:36.34 | takatumi | torc: maybe try apt-build |
| 12:36.36 | sanso|work | Zapelius, use unclutter |
| 12:36.40 | nevyn | Zapelius: hiding the xcurser shouldn't be that hard. |
| 12:36.41 | directhex|work | broke, that doesn't mean it's a CDRWIN image |
| 12:36.57 | broke | where did you get that from ? |
| 12:37.00 | directhex|work | broke, unix doesn't use file extensions. 'bin' in this case just implies 'binary file' |
| 12:37.02 | broke | I never said that |
| 12:37.04 | nevyn | Zapelius: unless you need to do it on an EXTREMELY permanant startyp type basis |
| 12:37.08 | sanso|work | Zapelius, apt-get install unclutter |
| 12:37.09 | torc | takatumi~ any docs available? |
| 12:37.20 | sep | broke: have you tried /msg dpkg install java ? |
| 12:37.30 | takatumi | !apt-build |
| 12:37.30 | dpkg | apt-build is probably an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 12:37.32 | Guerin | torc: check /usr/share/doc/ |
| 12:37.38 | broke | directhex: yeah, I figured it was a binary file... but I could not rund it |
| 12:37.40 | Zapelius | sanso|work, I tried unclutter alerady. it doesn't work with my GUI |
| 12:37.42 | directhex|work | broke, make the file executable (chmod a+x foojava.bin) |
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| 12:38.00 | Guerin | eh |
| 12:38.04 | takatumi | !Guerin++ |
| 12:38.09 | Guerin | just do sh foojava.bin |
| 12:38.22 | Zapelius | It's for an embedded GUI on a touchscreen, no need for cursor ever |
| 12:38.47 | broke | directhx: thnx, cant belive I didnt figure that |
| 12:38.47 | directhex|work | is it an autogz script? |
| 12:38.47 | broke | haha |
| 12:39.03 | Zapelius | runs on 256M flash, so I don't have too much space to spend.. :) |
| 12:39.04 | broke | I have a weird way of finding solutions to problems sometimes |
| 12:39.24 | torc | what is fakeroot? |
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| 12:39.32 | torc | what is its main purpose? |
| 12:39.39 | caphuso | torc: building debian packages |
| 12:39.52 | supaman | man fakeroot |
| 12:40.09 | torc | looks like apt-build requires a bunch of package developer packages... |
| 12:40.17 | caphuso | oh, really? |
| 12:40.18 | torc | bunch* |
| 12:40.20 | directhex|work | !b-e torc |
| 12:40.21 | dpkg | torc: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 12:40.32 | directhex|work | torc, also, apt-get build-dep foopackage |
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| 12:41.06 | torc | hmm... i just want to optimize with compiler flags, no package-building :) |
| 12:41.31 | caphuso | torc: use gentoo |
| 12:41.32 | directhex|work | erm... |
| 12:41.34 | PerfDave | torc: optimise how? |
| 12:41.38 | caphuso | seriously, go use gentoo |
| 12:41.41 | xcyborg | I'm experimenting with apt-pinning: why does "aptitude show kmail" shows me the unstable version but "aptitude install kmail" is trying to install the testing-version ? |
| 12:41.49 | torc | PerfDave~ -O3 -mcpu=ultrasparc ;) |
| 12:41.51 | PerfDave | xcyborg: apt-cache policy kmail |
| 12:41.53 | directhex|work | xcyborg, apt-cache policy kmail |
| 12:42.18 | PerfDave | torc: Which package? |
| 12:42.27 | torc | PerfDave~ bind. |
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| 12:42.36 | PerfDave | torc: I agree with caphuso. |
| 12:42.45 | torc | PerfDave~ no need for gentoo :) |
| 12:42.52 | directhex|work | is there a getsnoo for sparc? |
| 12:42.57 | caphuso | optimized bind?!? |
| 12:43.03 | torc | caphuso~ why not? :) |
| 12:43.12 | caphuso | torc: uh, because it's dumb and useless? |
| 12:43.13 | PerfDave | torc: If you don't understand that you can't change something's compile-time options without recompiling it, perhaps compiling stuff is not for you. |
| 12:43.14 | xcyborg | PerfDave, directhex|work : ok, the testing version has a greater priority, that's good, but why does aptitude show kmail shows the unstable version ? |
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| 12:43.27 | PerfDave | xcyborg: No idea, aptitude is weird ;) |
| 12:43.30 | directhex|work | xcyborg, scroll up, it might be showing both? |
| 12:43.43 | torc | PerfDave~ you dont understand. |
| 12:43.45 | caphuso | torc: go use gentoo. please. before people start making fun of you |
| 12:43.56 | Gnea | torc: how do you expect to create a package without creating a package? |
| 12:43.58 | PerfDave | torc: I think it is you who does not understand. |
| 12:44.07 | torc | caphuso~ maybe. |
| 12:44.13 | xcyborg | directhex|work: nope, it doesn't... apt-cache showkmail is showing both, but aptitude only shows me the newest package (ignoreing apt-pinning) |
| 12:44.18 | Guerin | caphuso: too late |
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| 12:44.25 | torc | Gnea~ i dont need to create any package. i just want to download the source package and compile it with custom CFLAGS :) |
| 12:44.43 | PerfDave | torc: Go read the APT HOWTO on "working with source packages" |
| 12:44.45 | Guerin | xcyborg: man apt-get; i presume aptitude respects -t |
| 12:44.50 | torc | caphuso~ ok, maybe bind is not the best example. |
| 12:44.58 | caphuso | torc: it's among the worst |
| 12:45.01 | torc | PerfDave~ i read it. |
| 12:45.02 | torc | PerfDave~ printed it and read again :) |
| 12:45.06 | SlayerXP | torc: and lose the stupid '~' with your nick completion |
| 12:45.08 | Gnea | torc: so basically you want to create a .deb of bind that's been compiled for an ultrasparc machine, right? |
| 12:45.10 | takatumi | torc: are/were you a gentoo user? |
| 12:45.19 | xcyborg | Guerin: I already tried running aptitude -t testing show kmail but it still shows me the unstable version |
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| 12:45.34 | Guerin | -t doesn't work with show |
| 12:45.39 | torc | takatumi: no. |
| 12:45.39 | coachz | On Sarge with KDE, how do I know if I need to download the wxWidgets for Unix/GTK+ or Unix/Motif and X11 |
| 12:45.46 | SlayerXP | hoi Steven Lickakow |
| 12:45.53 | torc | Gnea: yeah. |
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| 12:46.15 | takatumi | torc: once you start using debian, you can forget about compiling, everything just works. |
| 12:46.20 | directhex|work | coachz, because when you apt-get install na app that uses them, they come in automatically |
| 12:46.21 | PerfDave | torc: Why don't you just "apt-get install bind"? |
| 12:46.28 | Guerin | torc: why on earth would you try to optimise bind? |
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| 12:46.41 | coachz | directhex, i'm getting binaries though |
| 12:46.47 | xcyborg | Guerin: oh I see, so.. do you have any pointers on making aptitude to show the correct version ? |
| 12:46.49 | Gnea | torc: then you are a hypocrit. if you want to create a package you NEED to have package tools installed. If you want the said program to be packaged to be cross-compiled/optimized, it's going to be COMPILED. |
| 12:46.53 | torc | takatumi: sure. just a question. funny insult i got here :) |
| 12:46.58 | Guerin | xcyborg: nope. |
| 12:46.59 | torc | Guerin: forget about bind. take php for example. |
| 12:47.09 | coachz | hey Guerin ;-) |
| 12:47.21 | takatumi | torc: the only thing I compile now is the kernel. |
| 12:47.31 | Gnea | torc: it doesn't matter WHAT the application is, the outcome is still going to be the same. |
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| 12:47.33 | torc | Gnea: ok, i see. |
| 12:47.39 | directhex|work | i compile nvidia-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 12:47.58 | _joey | is there iso sarge mini cd with base packages only? |
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| 12:48.12 | directhex|work | _joey, yes, the 110mb one |
| 12:48.12 | PerfDave | _joey: Yes, the netinstall image. |
| 12:48.13 | torc | takatumi: and that is really great. i was a netbsd user, so a lot of compiling was fine for me. |
| 12:48.18 | Guerin | !topicbadger _joey |
| 12:48.19 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that _joey didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 12:48.20 | Gnea | torc: if you want to compile it for ultrasparc, you're going to need a cross-compiler. further, you're going to need to read the debian package howto to learn how to create packages in the first place. |
| 12:48.35 | Guerin | !tell torc about nm guide |
| 12:48.44 | _joey | directhex|work do you know the url link to that cd image? |
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| 12:48.53 | Guerin | !topicsmite _joey |
| 12:48.55 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon _joey. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 12:48.59 | directhex|work | !tell _joey about d-i |
| 12:48.59 | coachz | Guerin, On Sarge with KDE, how do I know if I need to download the wxWidgets for Unix/GTK+ or Unix/Motif and X11 to get PgadminIII working? |
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| 12:49.30 | Gnea | torc: speak here, not in pm |
| 12:49.31 | Guerin | coachz: just do what directhex|work said. You didn't give any intelligible reason why that wouldn't work. |
| 12:49.42 | torc | gnea: cross-compile even on ultrasparc itself? |
| 12:49.44 | takatumi | torc: apt-get has this in the manpage. *This APT has Super Cow Powers.* |
| 12:49.52 | coachz | cuz pgadmin 1.2.0 is not listed in apt-get |
| 12:50.00 | Gnea | torc: you can do it on the ultrasparc if you like, it doesn't matter - i threw cross-compile in there in case you were doing it on an x86 platform |
| 12:50.11 | coachz | it only has 1.0.2 |
| 12:50.23 | directhex|work | !info pgadmin3 |
| 12:50.24 | Guerin | coachz: so? |
| 12:50.29 | dpkg | pgadmin3: (Graphical administration tool for PostgreSQL), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1819 kB, Installed size: 6120 kB |
| 12:50.34 | _joey | directhex|work thanks |
| 12:50.48 | torc | takatumi: maybe :) nowadays optimization is not the point. |
| 12:50.54 | coachz | how come mine doesn't show that version. i did apt-get update |
| 12:51.17 | Guerin | coachz: i do hope you aren't using sid |
| 12:51.20 | Gnea | coachz: sid != sarge |
| 12:51.32 | coachz | i'm in sarge http://rafb.net/paste/results/IwwjzJ18.html |
| 12:51.42 | Gnea | right, and it says (sid) |
| 12:51.51 | Gnea | thus, the version is likely not to match |
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| 12:52.02 | coachz | Gnea, of course |
| 12:52.15 | coachz | i explained i was on sarge so i don't know why they posted that |
| 12:52.22 | takatumi | torc: now that I use debian, I can read the news and check mail in my own sweet time, instead of optimizing software. :) |
| 12:52.23 | Guerin | !tell coachz about simple sid backport |
| 12:52.29 | Gnea | it was an automated response |
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| 12:53.42 | coachz | I'm trying to download the wxWidgets. And it has a choice: Unix/GTK+ or 'Unix/Motif and X11'. On sarge/kde I don't know which one is appropriate. |
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| 12:53.56 | Gnea | takatumi: that's it?! shiiiiiiiiiiiiiat, i read the new, check email, play games, sell stuff online, print receipts & shipping labels... hell, even admin a few systems ;) |
| 12:53.57 | caphuso | coachz: which one do you want to use? |
| 12:54.05 | Guerin | coachz: suck one and see |
| 12:54.09 | coachz | caphuso, can i use either in kde ? |
| 12:54.11 | Gnea | and it doesn't crash |
| 12:54.13 | Gnea | i love it |
| 12:54.14 | naim | anyone know of a way to format a partition after fdisk (livecd).. without rebooting first ? |
| 12:54.15 | caphuso | coachz: yes, of course |
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| 12:54.23 | takatumi | Gnea: that's too tedious. |
| 12:54.25 | coachz | caphuso, do you have a pref? |
| 12:54.52 | torc | why trying to optimize bind is such a bad thing? |
| 12:54.52 | caphuso | coachz: both kde and motif suck... |
| 12:54.52 | caphuso | err |
| 12:54.52 | Gnea | takatumi: you'd rather use windows for all that? ;) |
| 12:54.52 | caphuso | s/kde/gtk/ |
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| 12:54.52 | directhex|work | gtk si teh win |
| 12:54.54 | directhex|work | we,, gtk2 is |
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| 12:54.56 | directhex|work | gtk1 is icky |
| 12:54.56 | coachz | wondersul |
| 12:54.57 | _joey | I am curious how many packages , roughly, available in debian sarge |
| 12:55.05 | takatumi | Gnea: no winbloze fer me. |
| 12:55.08 | caphuso | directhex|work: no, gtk1 used to be a lot better than gtk2 |
| 12:55.10 | directhex|work | _joey, just under 20 thousand, iirc |
| 12:55.11 | Gnea | takatumi: werd |
| 12:55.15 | Guerin | _joey: ~16000 |
| 12:55.20 | _joey | prebuilt? |
| 12:55.25 | Guerin | yes |
| 12:55.29 | directhex|work | caphuso, on what basis? |
| 12:55.31 | _joey | groovy |
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| 12:55.37 | takatumi | l |
| 12:55.41 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 12:55.41 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 12:55.44 | directhex|work | Guerin, you counting non-free & contrib? |
| 12:55.46 | Guerin | _joey: ^^^ |
| 12:55.50 | caphuso | directhex|work: on the basis of the developers being on crack and removing functionality for no good reason |
| 12:56.02 | Guerin | directhex|work: just going on !dstats sarge |
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| 12:56.22 | directhex|work | caphuso, personally i prefer gtk2, but i probably have no use for the removed functionality |
| 12:56.36 | Gnea | overfiend is a fucking asshole. :) |
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| 12:56.50 | Gnea | no seriously, ask him, he'll admit it |
| 12:57.04 | jetscreamer | overfiend is a girl |
| 12:57.04 | Gnea | hehe |
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| 12:57.07 | directhex|work | Gnea, ask him, or his 23 mile-ling phalluses that devour humans? |
| 12:57.13 | Gnea | jetscreamer: you wish |
| 12:57.26 | Gnea | i met that fucker irl once |
| 12:57.28 | jetscreamer | i saw a picture |
| 12:57.38 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 12:57.43 | Gnea | so see |
| 12:57.48 | runa | hey :) I've installed 2.6.8-2-k7, loaded the sound modules (via). Everything looks good, except there's no sound (yes, I've checked and the volume is not muted :)Any ideas? (im using OSS since this kernel doesn't has alsa modules, or I couldn't find them) |
| 12:57.51 | _joey | Is reiserfs fs supported by default on sarge? |
| 12:58.02 | FlimFlamMan | is it possible to authenticate access to apache on one server based on user accounts on another machine? in essence a kind of remote auth-shadow or something...? |
| 12:58.03 | Guerin | !tell _joey about ig |
| 12:58.04 | directhex|work | runa, erm... all debian kernels have alsa modules |
| 12:58.05 | coachz | how might i find a .deb package for wxWidgets-2.5.3 |
| 12:58.15 | directhex|work | runa, sorry, all debian 2.6 kernels |
| 12:58.18 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: /msg dpkg possible |
| 12:58.26 | Gnea | coachz: have you ever used the apt-cache command? |
| 12:58.30 | directhex|work | runa, which sound modules do you have loaded?> |
| 12:58.32 | FlimFlamMan | how can i authenticate access to apache on one server based on user accounts on another machine? in essence a kind of remote auth-shadow or something...? |
| 12:58.36 | jetscreamer | all 2... yeah that |
| 12:58.38 | coachz | Gnea, yeah it's not the right version |
| 12:58.47 | Guerin | coachz: just install some software which needs it, ffs. Backport your stupid pgadmin from sid; it's trivial to do. |
| 12:58.58 | drac | coachz: apt-cache search wxwidgets |
| 12:59.05 | Gnea | coachz: sorry, what package depends on it again? |
| 12:59.10 | sanso|work | runa, are u in group audio? |
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| 12:59.14 | torc | i am just curious, wouldn't the processor-optimized bind run best? or is it some a stability issue? |
| 12:59.17 | coachz | pgadmin 1.2.0 |
| 12:59.24 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: that was fast. I think you want ldap and some centralised user credentials |
| 12:59.25 | torc | kind of* |
| 12:59.29 | runa | directhex|work: I've installed kernel-image 2.6.8-12 . I've lots of snd_* |
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| 12:59.36 | Gnea | hrm |
| 12:59.37 | directhex|work | runa, snd_ means alsa. |
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| 12:59.43 | Gnea | only pgadmin i can find in sarge |
| 12:59.46 | Gnea | is phppgadmin |
| 12:59.54 | FlimFlamMan | Guerin, didn't even need to read it to know what it would say :-) ldap isn't an option at the moment |
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| 12:59.58 | directhex|work | runa, if you want to use alsa, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils, and run alsaconf |
| 12:59.59 | runa | sanso|work: when I use ogg123 it looks it's playing the ogg file. but there's no sound |
| 13:00.12 | Guerin | Gnea: I THINK he's using a stupid 3rd-party binary |
| 13:00.15 | runa | directhex|work: yes, I'll try that. I thought alsa modules were named alsa* |
| 13:00.17 | sanso|work | runa, did You check the cabling? |
| 13:00.24 | Guerin | !tell coachz about simple sid backport |
| 13:00.25 | PerfDave | torc: Define "best" |
| 13:00.26 | Guerin | again |
| 13:00.26 | Gnea | Guerin: oh in that case he's fucked |
| 13:00.27 | directhex|work | runa, erm... no. snd means alsa. not snd means oss |
| 13:00.32 | Guerin | Gnea: quite. |
| 13:00.34 | jetscreamer | snd- |
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| 13:00.35 | Gnea | unless he uses a backport |
| 13:00.36 | coachz | guerin, i'll try that, thanks ! |
| 13:00.39 | torc | PerfDave~ top performance. |
| 13:00.40 | directhex|work | runa, e.g. snd-intel8x0 versus i810_audio |
| 13:00.47 | PerfDave | torc: Define "top performance" ;) |
| 13:00.59 | torc | PerfDave~ faster than the ordinary compile. |
| 13:01.11 | PerfDave | torc: Define "faster" ;) |
| 13:01.14 | Guerin | torc: i'm really baffled as to how you could expect a nameserver to perform faster |
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| 13:01.22 | runa | directhex|work: danke |
| 13:01.23 | torc | PerfDave~ more recursive replies/sec ;) |
| 13:01.29 | PerfDave | torc: Then no |
| 13:01.43 | Guerin | torc: here's a hint: nameservers aren't resource intensive |
| 13:01.50 | torc | Guerin~ large memory cache... more efficient lookup. |
| 13:01.55 | PerfDave | torc: On the whole, compiling stuff doesn't add significant benefit to outweigh the hassle of compiling it in the first place |
| 13:01.55 | torc | err, sorry for the ~. |
| 13:02.07 | Gnea | torc: you can optimize it all you like, just throw a shitload of domains at it and it'll just chomp away. |
| 13:02.14 | coachz | hehe, i'm stuck on step one 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. |
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| 13:02.23 | torc | PerfDave~ ok, i want just to compile it once and forget. |
| 13:02.25 | Guerin | coachz: man sources.list |
| 13:02.26 | PerfDave | coachz: You probably want to read the APT HOWTO |
| 13:02.32 | nevyn | PerfDave: sigh.. lies. |
| 13:02.36 | coachz | hehe |
| 13:02.45 | PerfDave | torc: And then what do you do when a new version of the package is available? |
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| 13:02.56 | PerfDave | torc: Or there's a security hole? |
| 13:03.01 | takatumi | torc: that might disturb your upgrades. |
| 13:03.02 | Guerin | PerfDave: compile it again, of course. |
| 13:03.11 | simonrvn | how do i get the snmpd to see that an interface is actually operationally up? it sees it as administratively up, but not operationally |
| 13:03.11 | Gnea | coachz: it's likely that a text editor could be your most valued key at this point |
| 13:03.12 | torc | PerfDave: i will just recompile it. |
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| 13:03.34 | coachz | Gnea, i have sources.list open in nano but i don't know what to put for the entry |
| 13:03.37 | simonrvn | (which is fucking up mrtg... :>) |
| 13:03.40 | torc | PerfDave: its a ultra 220r, kind of sluggish machine. |
| 13:03.45 | PerfDave | torc: Why not "just" use the binary package provided, which will update itself and protect against security holes near-automatically? |
| 13:03.52 | torc | PerfDave: so performance may be an issue. |
| 13:03.57 | Guerin | torc: no. |
| 13:04.08 | Gnea | coachz: give it what the backports page says you should put - or are you planning on upgrading the entire system to sid? |
| 13:04.18 | Guerin | torc: stability, security and upgrades WILL be an issue if you build it yourself though. |
| 13:04.19 | coachz | Gnea, i'm staying sarge |
| 13:04.20 | caphuso | the binary package that is against popular pseud-religious beliefs _not_ slower than a recompiled one |
| 13:04.39 | torc | PerfDave: and will it work chrooted? |
| 13:04.44 | Guerin | Gnea: he needs to add a deb-src line |
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| 13:04.51 | coachz | I'm guessing the deb-src line goes at the bottom of sources.lst |
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| 13:05.16 | jetscreamer | doesn't matter |
| 13:05.19 | torc | PerfDave: i also want to install rsbac and jail it maybe. is there a chance i will encounter problems with a default compile? |
| 13:05.21 | Gnea | ig doesn't matter where it goes, it could even be the first line.. as long as it has its own line |
| 13:05.26 | Gnea | it* |
| 13:05.45 | char0x30 | What is the prefereable way to have my iptables and routes set on boot? |
| 13:05.46 | sep | coachz: a sid deb-src line is just the same as a testing/sarge deb-src line, just copy one you already have, and change testing to sid |
| 13:05.48 | jethro | heya jetscreamer |
| 13:05.58 | PerfDave | torc: There's always a chance. Suck it and see. |
| 13:06.08 | torc | caphuso: i almost agree with you. |
| 13:06.15 | caphuso | char0x30: up command in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:06.19 | coachz | sep, THANKS |
| 13:06.23 | torc | caphuso: what about and intel c compiler? is it real? :) |
| 13:06.30 | torc | s/and/an/ |
| 13:06.36 | caphuso | torc: for a bloody ultrasparc? |
| 13:06.43 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 13:06.44 | caphuso | torc: how dumb are you? |
| 13:06.44 | Guerin | torc: you are moron #0 |
| 13:06.45 | directhex|work | torc, why the hell would icc work on sparc? |
| 13:07.00 | torc | caphuso: its just an example for a binary - source-built package ;) |
| 13:07.05 | simonrvn | icc is crappage anyway. it's hyper-optimised for *x86* |
| 13:07.05 | Guerin | no, it's not |
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| 13:07.07 | Gnea | look guys |
| 13:07.13 | caphuso | torc: no, it's not |
| 13:07.15 | Gnea | if torc wants to shoot himself in the foot, let him |
| 13:07.27 | Gnea | he's not hurting anyone of us in the process |
| 13:07.27 | torc | Guerin: you're moron yourself after that ;) |
| 13:07.35 | caphuso | Gnea: yes, but he really doesn't need to force us to watch |
| 13:07.41 | directhex|work | simonrvn, you'd think that, but icc 32bit binaries FLY on amd64. better than any other compiler for the job. |
| 13:07.52 | Gnea | caphuso: he hasn't even done it yet |
| 13:07.53 | coachz | it still only shows pgadmin Version: 1.0.2-0.1 when i do apt-cache show pgadmin3 even after apt-get update |
| 13:08.08 | Guerin | it's an example of a proprietary compiler which compiles code for ONE chip family, made by the people who make those chips, being better (in some cases marginally) than a compiler which is free, and builds code for practically anything |
| 13:08.09 | Gnea | coachz: try apt-cache search pgamin |
| 13:08.10 | directhex|work | coachz, you added a source option, not a binary option |
| 13:08.12 | Gnea | er |
| 13:08.14 | Gnea | admin |
| 13:08.19 | Gnea | i can't spell worth a shit today |
| 13:08.20 | simonrvn | still doesn't preclude that that it's only for x86 |
| 13:08.23 | coachz | directhex, oh |
| 13:08.45 | torc | Guerin: its not a portability issue, it a performance one. |
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| 13:09.01 | Guerin | torc: you're not comparing apples with apples. |
| 13:09.07 | directhex|work | torc, i hear solaris 10 is really fast on sparc. try that |
| 13:09.19 | directhex|work | torc, especially for network stuff like dns serving |
| 13:09.30 | simonrvn | i'll stick to gcc, thank you very much. it actually builds proper binaries in 3.3.x + |
| 13:09.33 | Gnea | torc: look, just RTFM, build it, install it and see what happens |
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| 13:09.47 | coachz | shouldn't this work? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Psndsb19.html |
| 13:09.56 | Guerin | torc: benchmark your homebuilt binary against debian's. Go on. I dare you. |
| 13:10.01 | coachz | it still only shows pgadmin Version: 1.0.2-0.1 |
| 13:10.07 | simonrvn | fuck, crapple uses gcc... |
| 13:10.19 | torc | directhex|work: thank you, my solaris guru :) |
| 13:10.24 | Guerin | coachz: apt-get source pgadmin |
| 13:10.24 | coachz | wait |
| 13:10.42 | Guerin | apt-get build dep pgadmin; aapt-get -b source pgadmin |
| 13:10.48 | jethro | coachz: ffs, just apt-get source pgadmin and build it, you added a source for *source* packages, not binary ones |
| 13:10.49 | torc | Guerin: ok, that's the way. just nice to see the flame. |
| 13:10.59 | simonrvn | build-dep |
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| 13:11.01 | coachz | ohh, this looks good |
| 13:11.06 | Gnea | coachz: except that you've managed to add a line for binaries for sid and sources for sarge |
| 13:11.17 | simonrvn | add fakeroot in front of apt-get -b source |
| 13:11.32 | coachz | Gnea, problem ? |
| 13:11.33 | jethro | Guerin: he added "deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sid main" so it's a source entry for sid :) |
| 13:11.43 | simonrvn | (and sudo in front of the build-dep) |
| 13:11.44 | jethro | s/guerin/gnea/ |
| 13:11.45 | coachz | deb-src is gone |
| 13:11.46 | jethro | darn tab |
| 13:12.16 | Gnea | jethro: who what? -> deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 13:12.35 | jethro | Gnea: look at what coachz said he added, earlier |
| 13:13.02 | Gnea | ugh |
| 13:13.06 | Gnea | heh |
| 13:13.10 | Gnea | yeah, nap is good |
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| 13:13.39 | PEACEYALL | hey all |
| 13:13.57 | takatumi | PEACEYALL: WHATS with the caps? |
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| 13:14.05 | PEACEYALL | nothin |
| 13:14.05 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 13:14.07 | PEACEYALL | fine |
| 13:14.13 | peaceyall | happy |
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| 13:14.19 | Gnea | takatumi: freak |
| 13:14.22 | simonrvn | "WHAT'S WITH THE CAPS?" rather ;p |
| 13:14.27 | peaceyall | :/ |
| 13:14.33 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 13:14.52 | peaceyall | ok anywayz..... what pack should i download for being able to view arabic text in web pages |
| 13:14.52 | peaceyall | ? |
| 13:14.56 | coachz | yeh it works, yay Thanks |
| 13:15.11 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: :> :D :) }:-> |
| 13:15.21 | kane | peaceyall: which browser ? |
| 13:15.27 | peaceyall | mozilla firefox |
| 13:15.33 | jethro | (:@ *huik* |
| 13:15.35 | kane | peaceyall: it should already work |
| 13:15.41 | peaceyall | well doesnt |
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| 13:15.45 | directhex|work | peaceyall, erm... try apt-cache search arabic font |
| 13:15.46 | simonrvn | unicode or arabic font |
| 13:15.48 | Gnea | (__/@.@\__) |
| 13:15.50 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.50 | peaceyall | ok |
| 13:15.55 | kane | peaceyall: ok, the page ur viewing ... is it unicode ? |
| 13:16.04 | peaceyall | ill check |
| 13:16.05 | directhex|work | peaceyall, also, ensure that your characher coding in your web browser is set to something correct for that website |
| 13:16.06 | SlayerXP | !ur |
| 13:16.06 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 13:16.16 | simonrvn | set the browser to UTF-8, too, helps |
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| 13:16.38 | tuxedo | hi |
| 13:16.39 | peaceyall | im viewing google in arabic but it shows teh arabcic text as a box and some unicode in tehre |
| 13:16.40 | kane | SlayerXP: not again :P |
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| 13:16.54 | kane | peaceyall: in that case, all *you* need is a font |
| 13:16.55 | Gnea | SlayerXP: ur gonna regret that! ;) |
| 13:17.04 | peaceyall | ok |
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| 13:17.13 | Gnea | hrm |
| 13:17.18 | kane | peaceyall: i think bitstream has arabic glyphs ... not sure tho |
| 13:17.19 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: what ru up2? :P |
| 13:17.23 | tuxedo | i cannot start my x in debia 30r2 |
| 13:17.26 | simonrvn | it does |
| 13:17.47 | takatumi | tuxedo: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 13:17.53 | kane | simonrvn: as in, bitstream has the glyphs ? |
| 13:18.00 | simonrvn | yes |
| 13:18.12 | kane | simonrvn: k .. ithought u were talking to someone else |
| 13:18.26 | looksaus | I have a strange problem with my dsl connection |
| 13:18.38 | simonrvn | looks ok to me :P |
| 13:18.41 | Gnea | me too |
| 13:18.46 | Gnea | it's not fast enough :P |
| 13:18.47 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 13:18.50 | coachz | Is there an easy way to tell where apt-get installed pgadmin3? I'm trying to find the executable. grr |
| 13:19.04 | looksaus | I get an ip on my ppp0 device without a problem |
| 13:19.04 | PerfDave | !faq coachz |
| 13:19.05 | dpkg | coachz: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 13:19.10 | looksaus | I get the nameservers |
| 13:19.16 | Gnea | ok |
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| 13:19.25 | tuxedo | and then |
| 13:19.30 | simonrvn | but? |
| 13:19.30 | Phantastico | how can i add some special things(e.g date, time, cpu usage) on the dock of wmaker |
| 13:19.31 | Gnea | the internet dies |
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| 13:19.49 | takatumi | tuxedo: look for lines with "EE". |
| 13:19.50 | looksaus | but when I try to ping even the other point of the ppp link |
| 13:19.53 | drac | I did really stupid thing and didn't backup my /usr/src/linux, when I compiled another kernel on the same machine. I've extracted sources again, and copied my currect configuration to .config file, what else can I do to 'configure it', i don't want to recompile whole thing. I need it because i'm trying to install shfs-source. |
| 13:19.54 | simonrvn | Gnea: you K11llled deh inETRWEB!! |
| 13:20.10 | looksaus | I get something like "operation not permitted and other strange cruft" |
| 13:20.32 | Gnea | simonrvn: oh shitmanwerefuckedlikeacrackedeggonblisteringhobbitsofgilgamesh%*#@$ |
| 13:20.41 | takatumi | looksaus: sounds like a firewall issue. |
| 13:20.51 | simonrvn | Gnea: hehe |
| 13:20.55 | Gnea | #) |
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| 13:21.40 | PerfDave | drac: Use module-assistant, check the shfs-source documentation. |
| 13:21.40 | Gnea | drac: eh, just make oldconfig && make && make install and reboot, just get it over and done with |
| 13:22.12 | PerfDave | Gnea: make oldconfig && make-kpkg ;p |
| 13:22.19 | Gnea | er |
| 13:22.21 | Gnea | yeah |
| 13:22.23 | Gnea | :P |
| 13:22.23 | takatumi | !kp mantra |
| 13:22.24 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
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| 13:22.50 | drac | Gnea: eh, I have perfectly working kernel, and i've done it with make-kpkg, I just need configured sources .. I've deleted them "accidentally" |
| 13:22.52 | simonrvn | looksaus: yup. sounds like you're blocking icmp |
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| 13:23.54 | Gnea | drac: dunno what else to tell ya... as long as the compiler versions match up you should be fine w/o a reboot |
| 13:24.44 | drac | Oh well, Module /usr/src/modules/shfs processed fine .. I hope it works. |
| 13:25.12 | simonrvn | shfs is nice |
| 13:25.26 | jethro | !get captive |
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| 13:25.39 | simonrvn | make yourself a key, plant it on the other box, and have fun |
| 13:26.32 | drac | Damn, FATAL: Error inserting shfs (/lib/modules/2.6.10-ac11/shfs/shfs.ko): Invalid module format. This is why I need my kernel sources back. |
| 13:27.21 | directhex|work | drac, compare gcc -v to proc/version |
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| 13:27.26 | directhex|work | drac, i've had those mismatch before |
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| 13:28.41 | drac | aha, different version. 1:3.3.5-6 and 1:3.3.5-7 .. |
| 13:28.43 | takatumi | drac: try the kernel-headers target with make-kpkg |
| 13:28.48 | drac | is that problem? |
| 13:28.57 | directhex|work | drac, no, that's a really minor difference |
| 13:29.04 | directhex|work | drac, 3.4 and 3.3 would be a major difference |
| 13:29.12 | drac | ok |
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| 13:29.23 | Gnea | drac: modprobe -f shfs |
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| 13:29.32 | PerfDave | drac: Was there no other output from module-assistant? |
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| 13:30.01 | drac | Gnea: uhh, it went into kernel with -f gludge.. what is that? |
| 13:30.13 | Gnea | drac: think rm -f |
| 13:30.19 | mattboll | hi, i've got a little proble in c++ and i don't where ask it so... i came here :p |
| 13:30.30 | Gnea | drac: 'force' |
| 13:30.32 | mattboll | is there a better chan ? |
| 13:30.44 | Gnea | #C++ ? |
| 13:30.54 | dan2 | mattboll: #C++ |
| 13:30.56 | drac | PerfDave: I've made the module using make-kpkg --revision=custom.666.0 modules_image :P |
| 13:31.00 | mattboll | Gnea: hum yes :/ |
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| 13:31.06 | drac | PerfDave: From kernel source directory. |
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| 13:31.33 | Gnea | sleeeeeeeeeeeeeep |
| 13:31.34 | Gnea | later |
| 13:31.41 | drac | Gnea: -f sounds bad. |
| 13:31.53 | takatumi | drac: try running make-kpkg clean prior to that. |
| 13:32.05 | PerfDave | drac: More fool you then. |
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| 13:32.49 | Gnea | drac: is shfs functioning as desired now? |
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| 13:33.11 | drac | wait |
| 13:33.23 | ircdevil | fooooood |
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| 13:33.34 | Gnea | sleep i go to now bye kthx |
| 13:33.54 | Gumby | is there a command that can be run by root to see who is currently logged in? |
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| 13:34.02 | petemc | Gumby: w |
| 13:34.07 | petemc | Gumby: can be ran by anyone |
| 13:34.14 | drac | hmm, it works. |
| 13:34.18 | drac | thanks all. |
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| 13:35.30 | takatumi | drac: were we picking on an imaginary problem? |
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| 13:38.03 | drac | no, that -f helped. |
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| 13:38.34 | drac | it wouldn't go into kernel without it. dunno why. |
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| 13:40.13 | ALei | are ammonium compounds blue? |
| 13:40.25 | Ronin | pardon? |
| 13:40.36 | ALei | ammonia compounds i mean. |
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| 13:40.50 | takatumi | !fgi |
| 13:40.51 | dpkg | [fgi] http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 13:40.56 | SleepyPete | wow, that's one of the most random questions I've seen in here |
| 13:40.57 | sanso|work | does anyone have experience with supermount? |
| 13:40.58 | Ronin | umm ALei yuo sure your in the right channel? |
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| 13:42.05 | zakame | hi all |
| 13:42.09 | drac | PerfDave: I'm thinking about that at the moment. I'm going to recompile whole kernel when I have better time and try without -f again after that. |
| 13:42.47 | sanso|work | has anyone worked with supermount before? |
| 13:42.49 | ALei | because windex is blue, and i am wondering what is making this specialized cleaner i have seen a light blue. |
| 13:43.05 | sussudio | !moron sanso|work |
| 13:43.06 | dpkg | sanso|work: You are moron #14 |
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| 13:43.29 | Ronin | i ALei may be giving sanso|work a run for that one sussudio |
| 13:43.31 | PerfDave | drac: That seems a little excessive. |
| 13:43.31 | sanso|work | sussudio, explain why I'm a moron. |
| 13:43.40 | sussudio | !tell sanso|work about polls |
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| 13:44.07 | PerfDave | drac: I think it's worth having a go with module-assistant first, it seems to sort out just about everything reasonably automatically when I've used it to install nvidia. |
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| 13:44.43 | takatumi | PerfDave: but does that work with a self-compiled kernel? |
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| 13:45.47 | PerfDave | takatumi: No idea. I've not needed to self-compile anything since learning about module-assistant :) |
| 13:46.09 | takatumi | drac: another thing about your question regarding backing up /usr/src/linux, isn't it just a symlink? |
| 13:46.11 | sanso|work | What do I need to get supermount working? (will paste fstab-entry to #flood) |
| 13:46.37 | takatumi | sanso|work: why are you even fiddling with supermount? |
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| 13:47.04 | sanso|work | takatumi, I'm reading about it in a magazine and want to try it out. |
| 13:47.05 | drac | takatumi: yeah, symlink to /usr/src/linux-2.6.10-ac11 |
| 13:48.10 | takatumi | drac: I don't see where you messed up. |
| 13:48.26 | sanso|work | the devices are there and autofs mounts the usbstick. |
| 13:48.44 | drac | takatumi: i've compiled like 2 kernels from same sources.. another for my k7 and another for my secondary machine (p2).. |
| 13:48.47 | ALei | hey i come here to be fellow linux operators |
| 13:48.51 | ALei | < - slackware |
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| 13:48.55 | takatumi | drac: ah, ok. |
| 13:49.05 | asac | Hi, I have problems with XKB configuration and gnome. starting gnome complains that there where errors activating XKB configuration. Any ideas? Any informations you need? |
| 13:49.10 | takatumi | sanso|work: which WM? |
| 13:49.47 | sanso|work | takatumi, metacity |
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| 13:50.21 | sanso|work | takatumi, why? |
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| 13:50.57 | takatumi | sanso|work: apt-cache show gnome-volume-manager. |
| 13:51.14 | takatumi | sanso|work: not that I am recommending it. |
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| 13:51.30 | petemc | asac: i had that, it was a matter of going into the gnome preferences and choosing my keyboard |
| 13:51.48 | FlimFlamMan | i *think* i've done everything right and i still can't seem to log into a remote box without a password using rsa/dsa authentication... ? |
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| 13:52.35 | takatumi | FlimFlamMan: if it ain't pebcak it's probably pebkac |
| 13:52.36 | sanso|work | takatumi, I want to get supermount to work, not gnome.. |
| 13:53.05 | takatumi | sanso|work: yes, I understand. |
| 13:53.05 | FlimFlamMan | takatumi, thanks, that was super-helpful |
| 13:53.22 | asac | petemc: hmmm ... already tried that. Does not. I can add new keyboard layouts, but cannot select them afterwards |
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| 13:54.51 | sveglio | hello! |
| 13:54.52 | sanso|work | takatumi, any clue? |
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| 13:55.16 | sveglio | I have a small problem... |
| 13:55.26 | juhov | s |
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| 13:55.28 | juhov | doh |
| 13:55.33 | sveglio | when I install something in my debian |
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| 13:55.49 | PoWeRKiLL | Hi |
| 13:56.01 | takatumi | sanso|work: haven't tried, I just have mount it with mount /dev/sda1, works fine. :) |
| 13:56.03 | PoWeRKiLL | Someone already install Linux on a HP DL360 ? |
| 13:56.11 | sveglio | I can't see the program in the normal menus like game, multimedia ecc.. |
| 13:56.36 | sussudio | !irritate PoWeRKiLL |
| 13:56.37 | dpkg | PoWeRKiLL: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 13:56.39 | sveglio | but it's in a new menu named debian |
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| 13:56.42 | DarkWorkin | I'm trying to install sarge on a server here, and I want the drives to be mirrored during the install. But I can't seem to create a swap partition on the md device. It tells me the remainder of the partition is unusable. |
| 13:56.54 | website | how to change language to mu debian system? |
| 13:56.55 | sanso|work | takatumi, which is waht i always do |
| 13:56.57 | website | *my |
| 13:56.59 | sveglio | can someone help me? |
| 13:57.17 | website | sveglio, sei addormentato? |
| 13:57.20 | PoWeRKiLL | I mean already install Debian on a DL360 ? |
| 13:57.25 | chrisb89 | i want to have a new mail address like web@myserver.net which automatic forward to my isp address? myserver.net is a remote server. do i have to start a mta on the server or how can i do this? |
| 13:57.29 | sussudio | !tell PoWeRKiLL about polls |
| 13:57.42 | sussudio | !tell website about locales |
| 13:57.42 | sveglio | certo |
| 13:57.43 | sussudio | !permasunday |
| 13:57.43 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
| 13:57.47 | takatumi | sveglio: apt-get install menu; update-menus if you don't see something there. |
| 13:57.54 | sussudio | !italian |
| 13:57.54 | dpkg | italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 13:59.25 | Alamar | which package needs to be reinstalled/installed to get the xkb-keymaps on my machine? somehow the one i need is missing |
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| 13:59.38 | Alamar | i reinstalled nearly every xserver/xlib/xkb related package |
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| 14:00.27 | sveglio | takatumi, but when I install something I can only reach it in a new menu called Debian.. there are for exemple Internet, System, Debian ecc.. and in debian there are many menus like apps, games ecc.. |
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| 14:01.21 | AngelGabriel | I have been tryin' without succes to load my DWL-650+ wireless adapter on my linux lappie - i have everything installed as it should be - but i fall at the last hurdel - editing the interfaces file |
| 14:01.29 | g0ng | does anybody know how to make boot disk ? I want to make a floppy disk for my linux, and support the sata promise controller. |
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| 14:01.59 | g0ng | I need to re-install windows so I want a disk to boot into linux and run lilo again. My linux installation is on a sata disk |
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| 14:02.53 | directhex|work | g0ng, boot a sarge install cd, or anything with a 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:03.05 | alamar | no ideas about xkb? |
| 14:03.27 | g0ng | I don;t have a cd that can boot a sata disk. That;s why I want to make my own one. |
| 14:03.44 | directhex|work | g0ng, what promise controller is this? |
| 14:04.11 | g0ng | I compile a light version of my kernel, then made make bzdisk but the my computer couldn;t boot from it |
| 14:04.23 | g0ng | Promise 378 Fasttrack. It is supported |
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| 14:04.43 | directhex|work | g0ng, what cds have you been trying to boot? |
| 14:05.07 | g0ng | linux BBC and an old unstable version of debian both with 2.4.x |
| 14:05.25 | AngelGabriel | Does anyone know the correct syntax for the wireless stanza in the interfaces file? |
| 14:05.29 | sanso|work | alamar, have You tried `setxkbmap <mykeymap>`? e.g. <mykeymap>="us" |
| 14:05.32 | directhex|work | g0ng, so get a sarge install cd. |
| 14:06.30 | alexscott | plop |
| 14:06.33 | g0ng | but I can;t download a cd through ISDN 64Kbs :-) and I'm pretty sure I can do it from what I have |
| 14:06.45 | directhex|work | g0ng, good luck. |
| 14:06.48 | sanso|work | AngelGabriel, man 5 interfaces and man 7 wireless |
| 14:07.09 | takatumi | g0ng: even the ~38MB biz card iso will do. |
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| 14:09.01 | alamar | sanso|work: where? xkb-keymap is configured in xfree86 config |
| 14:09.07 | g0ng | takatumi: what's that? |
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| 14:11.41 | sanso|work | alamar, setxkbmap is a command - man setxkbmap |
| 14:11.48 | takatumi | gothtec: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 14:12.02 | takatumi | g0ng: ^^ |
| 14:12.08 | sanso|work | alamar, btw whick keymap do You need? |
| 14:12.13 | takatumi | gothtec: apologies. |
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| 14:12.25 | sanso|work | s/whick/which/ |
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| 14:13.13 | alamar | sanso|work: sun type 5 de/us |
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| 14:16.58 | vds | hi all, I' using sid and unfortunatly I just updated my box, now I have a version of python that is not compatible with zope, how can I downgrade python to testing ? Thanks ! |
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| 14:17.21 | asg | vds: /msg dpkg sid faq && /msg dpkg sdn |
| 14:17.32 | alamar | sanso|work: how should i use setxkbmap without starting x? |
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| 14:18.56 | greycat | is that a trick question? |
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| 14:20.09 | vds | asg thanks but it deosnt help me too much |
| 14:20.25 | greycat | then you're not very bright. |
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| 14:21.11 | alamar | greycat: more or less, how can i lookup which display my xserver is using or how is name pattern of xdisplays |
| 14:21.13 | Noidster_ | is there a modern replacement for the old package xkbset? or more generally, is there a place where you can find if an obsolete package has a replacement? |
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| 14:21.48 | alamar | .o(and which package provides the xkb keymaps..) |
| 14:22.06 | greycat | I think the display name usually appears as the argument to "X" itself. |
| 14:22.08 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.19 | _joey | which device management should I use on debian sarge: makedev, devfs or udev ? |
| 14:22.23 | greycat | the keymaps are probably in xserver-xfree86 in Debian |
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| 14:22.34 | greycat | _joey: *not* devfs. Clearly. |
| 14:22.40 | greycat | some people seem to like udev, but I don't. |
| 14:22.57 | _joey | greycat you are sticking with good old makedev script? |
| 14:22.59 | alamar | greycat: i`m very sure that i`ve already reinstalled that package but i can try it again |
| 14:23.17 | dron | hallo people |
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| 14:23.21 | greycat | _joey: I suppose you could call it that. I call it "I don't have to make 'em, they're already *there* because this is *Unix*!" |
| 14:23.39 | takatumi | PerfDave: the only thing I got rid off is discover1 |
| 14:23.45 | dron | kak tut obstojat dela??? |
| 14:23.50 | _joey | they? you mean you are compiling every module in kernel? |
| 14:24.00 | _joey | what if you add new device to a live server? |
| 14:24.08 | _joey | adding* |
| 14:24.11 | greycat | PerfDave: apparently sarge uses normal static /dev by default, **BUT** if you install gnome, it drags in udev, and you get a nasty shock. |
| 14:24.11 | Noidster_ | omg |
| 14:24.25 | PerfDave | greycat: I am not foolish enough to install Gnome ;) |
| 14:24.33 | asg | vds: get the previous working sid version from snapshot.debian.net and install it. Or attempt to downgrade your sid to sarge (/msg dpkg downgrade.) |
| 14:24.43 | greycat | _joey: /dev is pre-populated with all the devices you need. BY DEFAULT. It JUST WORKS. It ALWAYS HAS... until the devfs/udev people started fucking things up. |
| 14:25.41 | PerfDave | I would like there to be something like gnome-volume-manager which didn't rely on udev, but it appears that there isn't one. I am tempted to write a perl script which tails /var/log/messages and runs mount commands when certain devices are detected. |
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| 14:26.17 | _joey | greycat using your philosphy then we don't need all those new features that are added to kernels |
| 14:26.26 | greycat | PerfDave: there needs to be a kernel-space API to ask for the list of devices in some parse-able manner. |
| 14:26.34 | jethro | _joey: no we don't |
| 14:26.42 | greycat | PerfDave: and while we're at it, there needs to be a way to ask for all the network interfaces, too. |
| 14:26.45 | PerfDave | _joey: And most of the time, we don't. |
| 14:26.56 | alamar | any other ideas which package provides the xkb maps? |
| 14:26.59 | alamar | s/maps/key&/ |
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| 14:27.05 | jethro | alamar: ask pdo |
| 14:27.07 | greycat | _joey: correct. There's no need for it. It's just Linux hackers being lame and stupid. |
| 14:27.10 | alamar | pdo? |
| 14:27.16 | jethro | !pdo |
| 14:27.17 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 14:27.19 | dron | I want to talk to somebody in English. |
| 14:27.23 | greycat | dron: you just did. |
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| 14:27.30 | asg | !congratulate dron |
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| 14:27.36 | jethro | hi asg |
| 14:27.37 | dpkg | Nice one dron, you did it! |
| 14:27.42 | asg | jethro: hiya |
| 14:27.50 | Devi0s | so, I gotta admit, the debian netinstall is damn sweet. even set up my dual boot correctly... |
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| 14:28.00 | PerfDave | greycat: For all network interfaces, /sbin/ifconfig -a | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | grep -v '^$' |
| 14:28.22 | greycat | PerfDave: now run that on OpenBSD. Or HP-UX. Or Solaris. Or AIX. Or IRIX. Or SCO Unix. Or... |
| 14:28.25 | abrotman | devi0s: we hate it .. it sucks |
| 14:28.27 | _joey | greycat speak for yourself |
| 14:28.32 | Devi0s | abrotman, why? |
| 14:28.54 | abrotman | devi0s: because ... it's not done yet :) |
| 14:28.56 | dron | I only learn English language.... I want to improve the knowledge to English language. |
| 14:28.56 | PerfDave | greycat: What difference would a Linux kernel-space API make to OpenBSD or HP-UX or Solaris...? |
| 14:29.16 | _joey | what are you talking about all new features that are introduced in kernel are not needed? |
| 14:29.22 | _joey | why don't you use 2.0.x kernels? |
| 14:29.24 | _joey | hehe:) |
| 14:29.25 | drac | _joey: ah, from EFNet #debian trolling, to Freenode #debian trolling.. |
| 14:29.26 | asg | _joey: he does |
| 14:29.32 | Devi0s | abrotman, works pretty well for me... however, i skip the package selection tool, get the system running, then rely on apt-get to build my system |
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| 14:29.39 | _joey | where am I trolling? |
| 14:29.40 | dron | navernoe moj anglijski nikuda ne goditsja |
| 14:29.42 | jethro | _joey: why don't you stfu? |
| 14:29.43 | greycat | PerfDave: get it standardized and accepted into some standard like POSIX or SUS |
| 14:29.46 | abrotman | devi0s: good plan |
| 14:29.49 | asg | dron: try #english |
| 14:29.51 | abrotman | dron: english |
| 14:29.56 | PerfDave | greycat: Is udev going to be standardised in POSIX? :) |
| 14:30.07 | greycat | PerfDave: udev isn't even in the kernel |
| 14:30.19 | dron | I trying spek |
| 14:30.26 | dron | speak |
| 14:30.32 | _joey | talking about udev, makedev utilites is trolling? |
| 14:30.33 | PerfDave | _joey: Many of my boxen use 2.2.x kernels |
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| 14:30.51 | dron | :) |
| 14:31.00 | jethro | 15:29:24 _joey | why don't you use 2.0.x kernels? <<- that's trolling in a way |
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| 14:31.02 | _joey | not for long though |
| 14:31.12 | alamar | eh i only get packages as result that i already reinstalled |
| 14:31.14 | greycat | Linux svr1 2.0.40 #1 Wed Feb 18 10:37:00 EST 2004 i686 unknown |
| 14:31.14 | jethro | and some here still use 2.0.x |
| 14:31.16 | dron | bb |
| 14:31.18 | abrotman | why not for long? |
| 14:31.19 | jethro | like greycat :) |
| 14:31.35 | _joey | when sarge becomes stable it will be 2.4.x |
| 14:31.37 | abrotman | greycat: isn't there a 2.0.41 ? |
| 14:31.52 | abrotman | _joey: what's to keep me from compiling 2.0.x for sarge ? |
| 14:31.56 | Devi0s | the improvements to firewire and usb2, the addition of SATA make 2.6 necessary for me. |
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| 14:32.17 | PerfDave | _joey: What's to stop people running Woody after Sarge releases? |
| 14:32.18 | _joey | abrotman don't know:) |
| 14:32.29 | caphuso | abrotman: it won't work. sarge's glibc doesn't support 2.0 kernels anymore |
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| 14:32.40 | abrotman | _joey: so maybe you should be quiet and not infuriate the great wizard! |
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| 14:32.45 | abrotman | caphuso: hush! |
| 14:33.08 | abrotman | caphuso: he didn't know that |
| 14:33.29 | _joey | great wizards blah blah:) |
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| 14:34.06 | _joey | it's as si9mple as trusting debian project and what they release as stable |
| 14:34.21 | _joey | rather than crazy people such as yoruself |
| 14:34.26 | abrotman | or you? |
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| 14:34.43 | _joey | I never called myself linux wizard:) |
| 14:35.03 | abrotman | who did i call a linux wizard? |
| 14:35.05 | PerfDave | _joey: What's the point in running a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel when 2.2 works perfectly on my hardware? Or 2.0 for that matter, though I don't have any 2.0 boxen. |
| 14:35.23 | _joey | omg, let's see |
| 14:35.28 | _joey | using iptables with netfilter |
| 14:35.35 | _joey | ipsec if you want to isntall vpn |
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| 14:35.37 | PerfDave | Which I don't need to do. |
| 14:35.37 | abrotman | ipchains works well |
| 14:35.39 | _joey | what else? |
| 14:35.41 | virgomoon | Morning, all. |
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| 14:35.48 | DavidS | pthreads? |
| 14:35.54 | greycat | iptables, netfilter and VPN sound like border router features. My border router is OpenBSD. Next? |
| 14:35.57 | drac | There is really no point discussing with _joey, he's just as annoying now, as he we're 1-2 hours ago in EFNet. Just ignore him. |
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| 14:36.18 | PerfDave | _joey: So the point about later kernels having a load of unnecessary cruft is, in fact, true. |
| 14:36.19 | greycat | (although I *do* use iptables on my Linux 2.4.x desktop box at home to mark Freenet's outgoing data packets with TOS bits, so they can be classified on the border router and queued() |
| 14:36.22 | simonrvn | greycat: they are ;) |
| 14:36.33 | _joey | you use OpenBSD I use Linux |
| 14:36.39 | greycat | I use both. |
| 14:36.41 | asg | _joey: you can use both |
| 14:36.43 | virgomoon | Can someone poing me to a good resource for setting up SSL with Apache2. I've been looking for 2 days now and can't seem to come up with a good summary of the process. |
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| 14:36.54 | asg | virgomoon: apache2 comes with ssl |
| 14:37.03 | simonrvn | i was thinking of making my other server bsd |
| 14:37.13 | asg | virgomoon: just add the module using the a2enable command (or whatever it's called.) |
| 14:37.14 | simonrvn | but debian k*bsd |
| 14:37.15 | resiak | virgomoon: You're probably looking for a2enmod |
| 14:37.19 | virgomoon | asg: Yes, but I'm not clear on the setup process--getting certs, etc. |
| 14:37.31 | simonrvn | a2enmod, a2ensite |
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| 14:37.44 | virgomoon | asg, resiak: I'll look those up. |
| 14:37.51 | asg | virgomoon: thawte.com has nice tutorials for getting certs from them |
| 14:38.00 | alamar | where is the configuration created by dpkg after install of xserver-xfree86 saved? |
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| 14:38.11 | greycat | alamar: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:38.11 | asg | alamar: /etc/X11 |
| 14:38.14 | Noidster_ | greycat: is openbsd better/just different than freebsd? are they the same? |
| 14:38.15 | _joey | PerfDave you are talking crap, utter crap, if it was never needed it will will never be used in nex stable release |
| 14:38.23 | alamar | it is not /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 14:38.37 | Penix | simonrvn: it's probably not quite ready for what you wanna do |
| 14:38.44 | greycat | Noidster_: they share some code, but they're maintained differently, by different groups with different goals. It's more dramatic than the split between Red Hat and Debian, for example. |
| 14:38.47 | Penix | simonrvn: gnu/kfreebsd that is |
| 14:38.48 | alamar | i mv`d my old config to /tmp and dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:38.53 | alamar | there is no new config file |
| 14:38.54 | virgomoon | asg: Do you have to pay for certificates? |
| 14:38.55 | _joey | PerfDave write a short letter to Debian project and let them know all about kernel versions:) |
| 14:38.57 | PerfDave | _joey: You're just trolling now, well done. |
| 14:38.58 | simonrvn | Penix: too bad :/. wenas |
| 14:39.03 | _joey | PerfDave you are |
| 14:39.07 | asg | virgomoon: yes or you can generate a self-signed one for free. |
| 14:39.10 | carbon60 | When using uupdate to update a deb to a new upstream release where the version is 2.2.0-rc4 => 2.2.0, how do I force it? |
| 14:39.12 | PerfDave | Oh, that was just *lame* |
| 14:39.14 | Penix | simonrvn: hopefully it won't be long til it is though |
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| 14:39.33 | asg | virgomoon: the ssl-cert package will help you make one of the latter |
| 14:39.35 | simonrvn | Penix: ok. how about !x86 ? |
| 14:39.41 | virgomoon | asg: Doesn't a self-signed one kind of defeat the purpose? |
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| 14:39.53 | Penix | simonrvn: nope |
| 14:39.55 | caphuso | virgomoon: depends on the purpose |
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| 14:40.12 | Noidster_ | greycat: so if i wanted to set up a bsd router, i should choose openbsd? |
| 14:40.14 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 14:40.20 | Penix | !hug openbsd |
| 14:40.21 | PerfDave | A self-signed certificate is useful for testing. It's also useful if you can deliver it to users via some secure method, such as giving it to them on CD-R or signing it with your GPG key, and letting them install it in their browser. |
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| 14:40.32 | zophyx | ah, i'd trade my kingdom for an exponential |
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| 14:40.38 | Rawplayer | !hug Rawplayer |
| 14:40.41 | asg | virgomoon: the only difference is that no 3rd party has been paid to sign it, so users manually have to trust the cert since their browsers don't by default. |
| 14:40.45 | Rawplayer | :D |
| 14:41.00 | PerfDave | We have a work CA key which our software recognises, which we use to generate SSL keys for various applications. |
| 14:41.17 | virgomoon | asg: ah |
| 14:41.23 | petemc | i make a .der which i give all my users to install in their browsers |
| 14:42.21 | Penix | simonrvn: you should help test the freebsd ppc port, you whore ;P |
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| 14:42.40 | simonrvn | Penix: need to get that machine functional again |
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| 14:43.09 | directhex|work | !penixsmite simonm |
| 14:43.17 | directhex|work | bah |
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| 14:44.19 | takatumi | !smitesmite directhex|work |
| 14:44.25 | asg | alamar: read the nifty instructions at the top of your existing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
| 14:44.36 | virgomoon | PerfDave: This is going to be for a public access site storing passwords, etc. |
| 14:44.36 | CarlosAlex | Is it possible have 2 NIS domains in the same machine ? |
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| 14:45.11 | alamar | wtf is nifty? |
| 14:45.19 | asg | alamar: neat, helpful. |
| 14:45.30 | jm_ | CarlosAlex: not that I know, but you can have a hierarchical setup (bar.domain.foo vs. baz.bar.domain.foo) |
| 14:45.36 | PerfDave | virgomoon: In that case you'll need a cert signed by a widely-recognised CA. But you can self-generate for testing first. |
| 14:45.37 | virgomoon | alamar: You've never heard of nifty? |
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| 14:45.51 | alamar | no |
| 14:45.59 | virgomoon | PerfDave: True. Thanks. |
| 14:46.00 | CarlosAlex | jm_ |
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| 14:46.20 | PerfDave | alamar: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 14:46.24 | CarlosAlex | That means that I may have some users in bar.domain.foo and other users in bar.bar.domain.foo ?? |
| 14:46.28 | takatumi | alamar: or try running dexconf |
| 14:46.53 | alamar | dexconf something about that is in my xconf header |
| 14:46.55 | virgomoon | alamar: It's a decidedly American slang term for useful or handy, typically said in a playful or adolescent environment or tone. |
| 14:46.56 | jm_ | CarlosAlex: yes |
| 14:47.03 | directhex|work | fuuuuuck me, gcc just got roasted by pgicc in our arbitrary benchmarks |
| 14:47.12 | alamar | ahrg |
| 14:47.15 | abrotman | arbitrary? |
| 14:47.22 | CarlosAlex | can you help me jm_? |
| 14:47.24 | asg | directhex|work: is that pronounced 'piggycc' ? |
| 14:47.28 | alamar | virgomoon: now it begins to make sense ;) |
| 14:47.35 | CarlosAlex | Or tel me where find tutorials about it |
| 14:47.49 | jm_ | CarlosAlex: no, it's too complex to discuss here, but you can find lots of docs about NIS on Sun's site |
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| 14:49.32 | PerfDave | jm_: You can have multiple LDAP domains on the same server, if that's an option for you. |
| 14:50.06 | jm_ | CarlosAlex: see above, maybe you can use LDAP instead |
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| 14:50.22 | CarlosAlex | hummm... let me see... |
| 14:50.27 | CarlosAlex | but Im using SuSE |
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| 14:50.50 | Guerin | !lose CarlosAlex |
| 14:50.51 | dpkg | CarlosAlex: You Lose. |
| 14:51.11 | PerfDave | CarlosAlex: WTF are you doing in #debian if you're not using Debian? |
| 14:51.13 | asg | CarlosAlex: you can still use openldap or even Novell's eDirectory |
| 14:51.22 | directhex|work | abrotman, some iffy 800x800 matrix multiplications |
| 14:51.30 | abrotman | that's all eh? |
| 14:51.48 | CarlosAlex | Linux is not universal ? |
| 14:52.01 | directhex|work | abrotman, well it's only a 3 minute benchmark. well, <1 minute, depending on which compler you use |
| 14:52.07 | jasz | senhoritas.. buenos dias... |
| 14:52.09 | CarlosAlex | Theres who defend that any linux are base to another one |
| 14:52.12 | abrotman | directhex: that dramatic? |
| 14:52.15 | asg | CarlosAlex: not even the kernel is since each distribution adds patches that the others don't |
| 14:52.17 | abrotman | directhex|work: that dramatic? |
| 14:52.32 | greycat | CarlosAlex: /join ##linux |
| 14:52.35 | directhex|work | abrotman, gcc 3.4 is about 10% faster than 3.3. pgicc 5.2 is about 300% faster than gcc 3.4 |
| 14:52.46 | greycat | directhex|work: on what CPU? |
| 14:52.50 | abrotman | directhex|work: did you tell #gcc ? |
| 14:53.02 | greycat | and is it faster to *compile*, or is the *compiled code* faster? |
| 14:53.04 | CarlosAlex | I saw a lot of linux working, and SuSE is the easier of them |
| 14:53.09 | directhex|work | abrotman, i don't think they'd be interested. |
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| 14:53.12 | CarlosAlex | its because the graphical interface |
| 14:53.12 | greycat | CarlosAlex: so go /join #suse |
| 14:53.15 | asg | CarlosAlex: then try #suse or #novell |
| 14:53.16 | greycat | bye bye now. |
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| 14:53.22 | directhex|work | greycat, the compiled code. the output. and dual opteron 242's |
| 14:53.22 | CarlosAlex | of couse here is not the place to discuss it |
| 14:53.26 | benjamindees | CarlosAlex, what are you on crack? #debian isn't going to support other versions of Linux |
| 14:53.28 | vds | asg thanks for the support ! |
| 14:53.32 | CarlosAlex | I intend to use Debian one day |
| 14:53.33 | asg | vds: you're welcome |
| 14:53.44 | Guerin | CarlosAlex: be sure to return when you do |
| 14:53.49 | Rawplayer | help http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=30579 |
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| 14:54.05 | CarlosAlex | Im downloading |
| 14:54.13 | Guerin | !annoy Rawplayer |
| 14:54.14 | dpkg | Rawplayer: PLZ!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
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| 14:55.37 | CarlosAlex | which is the newer version ? |
| 14:55.42 | benjamindees | Rawplayer, it would help if you could give a short description of your problem |
| 14:55.57 | greycat | CarlosAlex: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:55.58 | benjamindees | CarlosAlex, Sarge (testing) |
| 14:55.58 | abrotman | !faq CarlosAlex |
| 14:55.59 | dpkg | CarlosAlex: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:57.39 | nolf | cud some1 tell me somethin |
| 14:57.48 | supaman | something |
| 14:57.49 | greycat | no. |
| 14:57.55 | nolf | if v hv a .deb package then how do v install it |
| 14:57.56 | virgomoon | Damn, this is confusing. |
| 14:57.57 | greycat | !dict cud |
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| 14:58.02 | dpkg | Dictionary 'cud' (3 shown; 7 total): Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat. --Levit. xi. 3 ;; 3. The first stomach of ruminating beasts. --Crabb. ;; a wad of something chewable as tobacco . |
| 14:58.33 | orjan_ | quit |
| 14:58.33 | supaman | dpkg -i packagename |
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| 14:58.34 | dpkg | I don't know. Is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:58.34 | orjan_ | opps |
| 14:58.34 | kromagg | that faq wiki is spammed |
| 14:58.34 | greycat | supaman: you actually ANSWERED that fuck-tard?! |
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| 14:58.34 | supaman | greycat: yup |
| 14:58.38 | Guerin | kromagg: email the admin, svp |
| 14:58.45 | Guerin | kromagg: he probably already knows |
| 14:58.46 | Rawplayer | benjamindees: i just installed debian |
| 14:58.56 | Rawplayer | this happened after the installation |
| 14:59.00 | CarlosAlex | I will take here.... http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:59.00 | nolf | supaman: thnx |
| 14:59.01 | kromagg | just saying, no use in recommending it |
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| 14:59.07 | CarlosAlex | ftp://linorg.usp.br/iso/debian/3.0_r4/ |
| 14:59.12 | ckone | hi |
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| 14:59.30 | ckone | spricht hier jemand deutsch? |
| 14:59.38 | Guerin | !de |
| 14:59.38 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 14:59.54 | CarlosAlex | what I love in debian is the aptget resource |
| 15:00.01 | ckone | danke! |
| 15:00.15 | LSorensen | CarlosAlex: I love thefact that the packages usually work when installed. |
| 15:00.26 | LSorensen | CarlosAlex: apt is just a nice way to get the packages |
| 15:00.49 | char0x30 | Should 'iptables --list' show PREROUTING stuff? |
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| 15:00.52 | Zap-W | is there a ppp utility to show a ppp link uptime? |
| 15:01.06 | abrotman | Zap-W: yes |
| 15:01.14 | LSorensen | char0x30: no, but iptables -L -t nat, should |
| 15:01.15 | DavidS | char0x30: user iptables -t nat -L |
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| 15:01.17 | Guerin | apt is useless without policy behind it |
| 15:01.23 | Guerin | witness fedora core |
| 15:01.31 | LSorensen | Guerin: exactly |
| 15:01.35 | char0x30 | ah. thanks. |
| 15:01.43 | Zap-W | abrotman: ..? |
| 15:01.45 | Guerin | LSorensen: I figured that was what you were getting at :) |
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| 15:02.13 | takatumi | Zap-W: pppstats? |
| 15:02.13 | CarlosAlex | how many CDs is to debian full instalation?? |
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| 15:02.19 | greycat | CarlosAlex: one. |
| 15:02.19 | CarlosAlex | 2 or 5 ? |
| 15:02.21 | abrotman | Zap-W: don't let me ruin all your fun .. i told you there was one .. i'm sure you can find it |
| 15:02.22 | LSorensen | Guerin: mcuh as we all rave about apt-get, it isn't what makes debian great, it's just a great feature of an overall great system. porting apt-get isn't enough to make another distribution as good |
| 15:02.23 | directhex|work | CarlosAlex, 14 |
| 15:02.29 | LSorensen | CarlosAlex: which version? |
| 15:02.31 | takatumi | !full cd advocacy |
| 15:02.32 | dpkg | hmm... full cd advocacy is you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. |
| 15:02.33 | virgomoon | CarlosAlex: Woody is 7, Sarge is 14 |
| 15:02.34 | CarlosAlex | ftp://linorg.usp.br/iso/debian/3.0_r4/ |
| 15:02.41 | greycat | CarlosAlex: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 15:02.43 | greycat | CarlosAlex: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:02.49 | LSorensen | CarlosAlex: hmam had 2, potato I think 3, woody was 7 I think, sarge is looking like 12 or so |
| 15:02.50 | greycat | that's THREE TIMES, now maybe you'll READ IT. |
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| 15:02.54 | directhex|work | !d-i CarlosAlex |
| 15:02.57 | directhex|work | hm. |
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| 15:03.04 | CarlosAlex | oh my... 12 CDs |
| 15:03.04 | Guerin | !beer LSorensen |
| 15:03.05 | kromagg | Guerin: I'm not quite sure where to find the e-mail address of the admin though |
| 15:03.10 | Zap-W | abrotman: are you stupid? |
| 15:03.16 | abrotman | Zap-W: are you? |
| 15:03.25 | Zap-W | i asked you.. |
| 15:03.26 | greycat | abrotman: we already know the answer to that one. |
| 15:03.33 | directhex|work | dpkg, d-i $1 is <reply>$1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:03.34 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 15:03.34 | virgomoon | Oh, it's on, now. |
| 15:03.40 | abrotman | Zap-W: at least i know there is one and how to find it .. don't tell me i'm stupid because you're lazy |
| 15:03.40 | directhex|work | !d-i greycat |
| 15:03.41 | dpkg | greycat, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:03.46 | CarlosAlex | what this d-i does? |
| 15:03.48 | directhex|work | that works. |
| 15:03.49 | greycat | did that yesterday in fact. |
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| 15:03.55 | greycat | CarlosAlex: READ IT! |
| 15:04.00 | directhex|work | !d-i CarlosAlex |
| 15:04.01 | dpkg | CarlosAlex, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:04.02 | Zap-W | haha |
| 15:04.02 | slak_ | hi |
| 15:04.04 | LSorensen | CarlosAlex: d-i = Debian Installer. What do you suspect it does? |
| 15:04.06 | slak_ | how can i convert this rh chkconfig based init script to debian |
| 15:04.07 | CarlosAlex | !d-i |
| 15:04.07 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 15:04.15 | greycat | slak_: carefully. |
| 15:04.17 | slak_ | # Source function library. |
| 15:04.17 | slak_ | . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions |
| 15:04.19 | LSorensen | slak_: rewrite it properly? |
| 15:04.21 | Guerin | !annoy CarlosAlex |
| 15:04.22 | dpkg | CarlosAlex: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 15:04.24 | slak_ | whats the debian equivalent |
| 15:04.25 | Zap-W | abrotman: www.goat.cx |
| 15:04.32 | abrotman | Zap-W: fuck off |
| 15:04.32 | CarlosAlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.35 | virgomoon | Does anybody know who runs the CD vendor list? I've been trying to get on the list for a while, to no avail. |
| 15:04.36 | LSorensen | slak_: try looking at some debian init.d scripts |
| 15:04.38 | abrotman | Zap-W: you're a lazy fuck .. |
| 15:04.40 | greycat | slak_: rewrite it from the ground up following the Debian templates. |
| 15:04.46 | directhex|work | Zap-W, www.oralse.cx |
| 15:04.50 | LSorensen | slak_: and debian doesn't have /etc/rc.d brokeness |
| 15:04.50 | Guerin | greycat: can we ban Zap-W again? |
| 15:04.57 | greycat | yes, we can. |
| 15:05.04 | slak_ | greycat im not sure how openvpn works for multiple client connections |
| 15:05.06 | greycat | "We have the technology." |
| 15:05.08 | Zap-W | Guerin: www.goat.cx |
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| 15:05.13 | slak_ | why im using this rh openvpn script |
| 15:05.20 | greycat | Zap-W: you may stop now. |
| 15:05.31 | asg | greycat: s/may/will/ |
| 15:05.41 | takatumi | s/will/better |
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| 15:05.55 | Zap-W | hmm |
| 15:06.04 | CarlosAlex | hey, this sarge is not ready yet |
| 15:06.11 | CarlosAlex | it been developed |
| 15:06.12 | Zap-W | s/*// |
| 15:06.15 | greycat | it's as ready as SuSE ever gets. |
| 15:06.41 | greycat | if you want to see *bad*, though, try Red Hat 6.0. |
| 15:06.42 | slak_ | anyone use openvpn 2.0 |
| 15:06.44 | takatumi | yesterday a suser installed woody and was satisfied. |
| 15:06.45 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 15:06.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 15:06.50 | Guerin | but greycat, it doesn't have teh Y4st? |
| 15:07.12 | asg | Guerin: or y34st either for that matter |
| 15:07.20 | directhex|work | CarlosAlex, it's more stable than any other distribution i've used |
| 15:07.37 | jethro | weird, if I open more then 10 windows in a screen , it screws the terminal inverting colors |
| 15:07.45 | CarlosAlex | Im afraid to download that one |
| 15:07.51 | greycat | CarlosAlex: if you want to run woody, fine. But we refuse to refrain from smiting you when you come back in an hour and bitch about how OOOOOLLLLD everything is. Which you WILL. Y'all always do. |
| 15:07.54 | slak_ | openvpn init script anyone? |
| 15:08.02 | CarlosAlex | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050131/ |
| 15:08.05 | jethro | !tell slak_ about anyone |
| 15:08.11 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 15:08.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 15:08.14 | Guerin | !faq |
| 15:08.15 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:08.18 | directhex|work | CarlosAlex, if any of the above applies... |
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| 15:08.24 | directhex|work | !magic hate ball |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | compaq isn't that bad |
| 15:08.41 | greycat | compared to *what*? |
| 15:08.44 | takatumi | CarlosAlex: that's how I started my debian adventures, daily build. |
| 15:08.45 | abrotman | HP |
| 15:08.46 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:08.47 | Guerin | dpkg, faq =~ s/-wiki// |
| 15:08.47 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 15:08.48 | asg | greycat: packard bell |
| 15:09.03 | Guerin | since the wiki is clearly useless, there's a new html version up |
| 15:09.04 | CarlosAlex | but I am so beginner |
| 15:09.10 | CarlosAlex | I will need a lot of help |
| 15:09.12 | virgomoon | Does anybody know who runs the CD vendor list? I've been trying to get on the list for a while, to no avail. |
| 15:09.16 | abrotman | NEC !! |
| 15:09.18 | greycat | what?? |
| 15:09.28 | greycat | oh fuck. |
| 15:09.29 | CarlosAlex | I will be here always |
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| 15:09.42 | greycat | tarzeau: are you awake? |
| 15:09.59 | Guerin | virgomoon: try asking on one of the mailing lists, or file a bug against www.debian.org |
| 15:10.00 | abrotman | takatumi: i used to have one that i loved |
| 15:10.03 | takatumi | yeah the faq looks faqed. |
| 15:10.11 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 15:10.22 | elephantman | How to retrieve previous boot "dmsg" ? |
| 15:10.25 | virgomoon | Guerin: I have, but there's no answer on the list. Why a bug report? |
| 15:10.29 | greycat | elephantman: /var/log/* |
| 15:10.30 | asg | elephantman: /var/log/dmesg |
| 15:10.44 | Guerin | virgomoon: that's what you do if there's an error on the website :) |
| 15:10.45 | takatumi | elephantman: look at /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 15:11.02 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure that wiki isn't going to help |
| 15:11.15 | elephantman | asg: this file only reflect current boot up messages |
| 15:11.19 | CarlosAlex | debian is the linux more used in the world... but I am so afraid to try it |
| 15:11.38 | asg | elephantman: then /var/log/syslog will have previous ones |
| 15:11.42 | Zap-W | CarlosAlex: dont try it , it sucks |
| 15:11.42 | elephantman | I try to see what went wrong with a kernel that doesnt boot |
| 15:11.44 | Guerin | CarlosAlex: fear won't get you anywhere |
| 15:11.51 | elephantman | asg: ok thanx |
| 15:11.53 | CarlosAlex | - ##linux :Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel |
| 15:11.57 | CarlosAlex | how solve it |
| 15:11.57 | elephantman | takatumi: ok thanx |
| 15:12.01 | Guerin | !kill CarlosAlex |
| 15:12.03 | CarlosAlex | I dont get to register myself |
| 15:12.04 | greycat | elephantman: if it doesn't boot, how could it POSSIBLY mount /var read-write and then actually write to it?? |
| 15:12.05 | virgomoon | Guerin: Is the email on the vendor request page invalid? cdvendors@debian.org |
| 15:12.06 | asg | CarlosAlex: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:12.07 | Zap-W | CarlosAlex: /msg abrotman |
| 15:12.16 | Guerin | wow, we have a really really stupid one tonight |
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| 15:12.17 | greycat | CarlosAlex: you suck. |
| 15:12.21 | abrotman | Zap-W: fuck off and leave me alone you asshole |
| 15:12.23 | Zap-W | haha |
| 15:12.24 | Noidster_ | is there a way to mount .dmg image files? (i think it's an apple format) |
| 15:12.27 | greycat | Zap-W: you suck more. quit being a fucktard. |
| 15:12.28 | Guerin | CarlosAlex: the farce is strong in this one |
| 15:12.28 | directhex|work | greycat, kick Zap-W now please. |
| 15:12.40 | abrotman | Zap-W: you're a moron .. find it yourself .. even though you' |
| 15:12.44 | abrotman | Zap-W: you're a moron .. find it yourself .. even though you've already been told |
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| 15:12.54 | Zap-W | paste that again? |
| 15:12.54 | Guerin | Zap-W: you give israelis a bad name |
| 15:13.01 | Guerin | not alone, of course |
| 15:13.14 | abrotman | it has nothing to do with israeli or not .. he's just flat out dumb |
| 15:13.28 | elephantman | greycat: it sounds logical - so i have no way to retrieve "FATAL...." messages that are displayed during the boot process ? Those messages are impossible to read, they are going to fast |
| 15:13.34 | Guerin | no, it's not causative... it's correlative |
| 15:13.43 | greycat | elephantman: use a serial console |
| 15:13.54 | Zap-W | pppstats dosent paste uptime |
| 15:13.58 | Zap-W | moron |
| 15:14.12 | elephantman | greycat: ok thanx |
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| 15:15.15 | takatumi | Zap-W: what about /var/log/ppp-connect-errors |
| 15:15.25 | greycat | what about the start time of the pppd process? |
| 15:15.36 | virgomoon | I just seems to me the cd vendor community is dead or on vacation for the winter. I'm not sure which. |
| 15:15.44 | abrotman | Zap-W: read the man page .. learn how to use it .. or maybe just learn how to read |
| 15:16.10 | Zap-W | abrotman: i think you shouldnt talk til you read it yourself |
| 15:16.23 | abrotman | Zap-W: i have .. many times .. i was on dialup for 5 years |
| 15:16.29 | elephantman | greycat: is this "serial console" thing is something easy to use ? |
| 15:16.38 | abrotman | Zap-W: ppp isn't a hard thing .. it's been around for what .. 20 years or so |
| 15:16.41 | Guerin | Zap-W: you're not owed answers. Given the amount od karmic debit you've accrued in this channel, you're fucking lucky not to be banned for life. |
| 15:16.43 | greycat | elephantman: probably not. |
| 15:16.44 | tarzeau | greycat: yes |
| 15:16.51 | abrotman | maybe that was just chap |
| 15:16.52 | elephantman | greycat: :) ok thanx |
| 15:16.56 | Zap-W | Guerin: who are you?> |
| 15:16.58 | greycat | tarzeau: your FAQ/Wiki got spammed. Front page obliterated and replaced with trash. |
| 15:17.04 | Guerin | Zap-W: whois me |
| 15:17.11 | Guerin | you feckin' eejit |
| 15:17.14 | greycat | tarzeau: we're going to have to close it and require registration to edit :( |
| 15:17.20 | Guerin | if you can, I mean |
| 15:17.30 | tarzeau | greycat: okay, let me look into this tonight |
| 15:17.33 | Guerin | greycat: there's a text one up |
| 15:17.41 | asg | Guerin: that's the old original faq |
| 15:17.44 | Guerin | oh |
| 15:17.51 | chealer | where's your wiki tarzeau? |
| 15:17.54 | simonrvn | Guerin: /topic |
| 15:17.58 | tarzeau | chealer: /topic |
| 15:17.59 | greycat | asg: no, it's been modified. |
| 15:18.27 | asg | greycat: oh? hmmm |
| 15:18.27 | greycat | asg: it has most of the recent changes from the Wiki |
| 15:18.27 | Guerin | simonrvn: thanks mate |
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| 15:18.27 | Zap-W | abrotman: i thought you said pppstatus , decide already ,...right |
| 15:18.27 | asg | greycat: ah, okay. |
| 15:18.28 | orchid | registration wouldnt be so bad to edit the wiki |
| 15:18.30 | chealer | greycat: the page looks right to me |
| 15:18.30 | greycat | 10:00 Zap-W> is there a ppp utility to show a ppp link uptime? |
| 15:18.32 | greycat | 10:02 takatumi> Zap-W: pppstats? |
| 15:18.33 | takatumi | Zap-W: fuck off already. |
| 15:18.42 | greycat | 10:18 Zap-W> abrotman: i thought you said pppstatus , decide already ,...right |
| 15:18.54 | Guerin | !lose Zap-W |
| 15:18.55 | dpkg | Zap-W: You Lose. |
| 15:19.00 | coachz | What file do I need to put my PG env vars in like 'PGHOME' so on boot up when the /etc/init.d script runs it will be available? |
| 15:19.04 | abrotman | greycat: huh? |
| 15:19.04 | Zap-W | <abrotman> Zap-W: you're a moron .. find it yourself .. even though you've already been told |
| 15:19.12 | abrotman | Zap-W: don't address me any more |
| 15:19.18 | abrotman | Zap-W: i don't care if you're stupid |
| 15:19.21 | simonrvn | abrotman: /ignore |
| 15:19.27 | Penix | speaking of pppstatus, I love slurm |
| 15:19.30 | Zap-W | i bet you are no older than 16 |
| 15:19.39 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 15:19.42 | drac | omg |
| 15:19.45 | Zap-W | haha |
| 15:19.49 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@84.94.28.64.cable.012.net.il] by greycat |
| 15:19.50 | simonrvn | Zap-W: funny, i was thinking the same of you |
| 15:19.58 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg |
| 15:20.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 15:20.06 | coachz | Zap-W, this channel is mean. embrace it ;-) |
| 15:20.20 | Guerin | only mean to fuckwits, morons and imbeciles |
| 15:20.21 | simonrvn | good idea |
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| 15:20.30 | abrotman | yes .. i care greatly what zap thinks of me .. :( |
| 15:20.34 | coachz | Guerin, can i be all three ;-) |
| 15:20.45 | Guerin | coachz: I wasn't going to say it... |
| 15:20.51 | coachz | hehe |
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| 15:20.59 | tarzeau | greycat: did we lose content? |
| 15:21.16 | greycat | tarzeau: I don't know. I didn't check it reguarly. |
| 15:21.16 | cds | anyone know how to fix a currupt x server installation (or at least, thats what I think it is) |
| 15:21.25 | asg | tarzeau: looks like most of it is still there, just the frontpage which is borked |
| 15:21.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: the last 3 changes at least are spam |
| 15:21.37 | greycat | tarzeau: in theory, you should be able to get a list of all the diffs or all the previous versions of the pages |
| 15:21.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: the MoinMoin in the changes it all spam |
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| 15:21.47 | bwlang | looks like Release.gpg has expired... anybody know what's up? |
| 15:21.58 | tarzeau | greycat: i had about 100mb of changefiles of 100 changes each 900kb |
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| 15:22.05 | tarzeau | greycat: i removed them due to diskspace problems |
| 15:22.09 | greycat | ugh. |
| 15:22.17 | simonrvn | no backups? |
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| 15:22.27 | abrotman | !backup |
| 15:22.27 | dpkg | methinks backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
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| 15:22.46 | tarzeau | yeah ugh. i tried debian-www if it would be possible to be moved to debian.org somehow, but not really an answer |
| 15:22.49 | greycat | bzip2 is *really* slow for huge files on low-power machines |
| 15:22.56 | tarzeau | greycat: the wiki.debian.net just is too horrible |
| 15:22.57 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 15:23.03 | simonrvn | gzip -9 :) |
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| 15:23.20 | Guerin | yeah |
| 15:23.28 | Guerin | i'm about to go backupless for three weeks :( |
| 15:23.37 | Midkniht | ok I got debian/linux sarge and I can't find sndconfig |
| 15:23.41 | Guerin | well, not entirely |
| 15:23.45 | bwlang | does nobody check the .gpg? |
| 15:23.45 | greycat | Midkniht: /msg dpkg sound |
| 15:23.47 | jasz | Midkniht, no such thing |
| 15:24.04 | greycat | jasz: in theory, there is -- some halfwit packaged it, and some zerowits use it. |
| 15:24.11 | Midkniht | what replaced it in sarge? |
| 15:24.13 | chealer | tarzeau: is it normal that the page is the default moinmoin page? |
| 15:24.18 | manchot | when debian boots, which script controls dectecting and loading modules? |
| 15:24.19 | Penix | I shouldn't have said that though...I'll probably wake up with all my data gone |
| 15:24.25 | greycat | Midkniht: it's NEVER been an officially sanctioned part of Debian. It's a RedHatism. |
| 15:24.27 | cds | nobody know how to do a repair on the x server? |
| 15:24.29 | jasz | greycat, :S that's scary |
| 15:24.30 | virgomoon | I think I finally found enough stuff to go on for the SSL/Apache2. It was buried in the FAQ (imagine that). |
| 15:24.31 | greycat | Midkniht: just /msg dpkg sound |
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| 15:24.40 | greycat | cds: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 15:24.43 | tarzeau | chealer: no |
| 15:24.50 | cds | greycat: not set up, repair |
| 15:25.03 | greycat | cds: take it to the X repair shop. |
| 15:25.20 | cds | greycat: where's that? |
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| 15:25.43 | toresbe | haha |
| 15:25.44 | greycat | !apt wrench |
| 15:25.48 | asg | hehe |
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| 15:26.04 | greycat | !test |
| 15:26.04 | dpkg | Yes, greycat, you're still online. |
| 15:26.08 | chealer | so the wiki was hacked? it says last modification in 2003 |
| 15:26.11 | greycat | @apt wrench |
| 15:26.18 | takatumi | doesn't pppstats -a show the time? |
| 15:26.25 | greycat | !wrench |
| 15:26.26 | dpkg | * HaQDaQ wants to use apt-get agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain greycat> HaQDaQ: then do so. HaQDaQ> it doesn't work anymore... dependency erros : greycat> HaQDaQ: fix them. HaQDaQ> greycat: how ? greycat> HaQDaQ: with an apt wrench. Are you going to ask any more stupid questions? * HaQDaQ is linux n00b, and how to apt wrench ? HaQDaQ> greycat: how to apt wrench ? |
| 15:26.26 | asg | greycat: and that was the best factoid ever |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | takatumi: doesn't matter any more :) |
| 15:26.31 | toresbe | wouldn't apt-get install --reinstall --purge xserver-xfree86 do the job? |
| 15:26.34 | simonrvn | takatumi: no |
| 15:26.34 | nostromo^ | is there a way (using apt-cache and such) to find out what package provides a certain file? (for example i don't have wireless-tools installed but i remember i want iwconfig, and i don't remember the package name) |
| 15:26.36 | cds | greycat: be sensible |
| 15:26.40 | greycat | dpkg, apt wrench is <reply> see wrench |
| 15:26.40 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:26.43 | greycat | !tell cds about smart questions |
| 15:26.44 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:26.45 | simonrvn | 40939577 509282 0 0 0 | 153133092 501529 0 0 501529 |
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| 15:26.58 | cds | greycat: er.. i can't reinstall because i've got no net connetion on the laptop |
| 15:27.02 | simonrvn | yes, my out is higher than in |
| 15:27.09 | asg | nostromo^: install apt-file |
| 15:27.13 | asg | nostromo^: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:27.14 | greycat | cds: read "smart questions" and then come back. |
| 15:27.14 | kjoonlee | hullo :) |
| 15:27.29 | takatumi | simonrvn: hmm, ok. |
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| 15:27.50 | nostromo^ | asg: apt-file.. neat. thanks! |
| 15:27.52 | cds | greycat: it's not booting up... I wish I could tell you more. If I could, I might be able to fix it, wouldn't I? |
| 15:28.00 | asg | nostromo^: you're welcome |
| 15:28.03 | greycat | cds: fuck off. |
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| 15:28.23 | Midkniht | ok better question, which kernel can i download that has sound modules with it precompiled |
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| 15:28.31 | greycat | Midkniht: everything except 2.2.20-idepci |
| 15:28.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: what, you're telnetted to cds' box? :P |
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| 15:29.07 | abrotman | simonrvn: boss' laptop :) |
| 15:29.13 | Active2 | i'm getting tired... why are people always complaining... "the linux server doesn't work", while the windows machine has made the descission to not work |
| 15:29.14 | cnorton | is there a howto for doing USB support in debian? |
| 15:29.16 | simonrvn | aah ;) |
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| 15:29.20 | MSG43 | hi |
| 15:29.21 | Midkniht | whats a package name for a kernel with sound modules already compiled |
| 15:29.26 | MSG43 | I need help |
| 15:29.28 | MSG43 | I like debian |
| 15:29.31 | cds | simonrvm: good luck |
| 15:29.33 | abrotman | so do we! |
| 15:29.34 | MSG43 | I need something easy to install |
| 15:29.37 | caphuso | Midkniht: any kernel-image you can install |
| 15:29.38 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 15:29.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 15:29.39 | asg | Midkniht: apt-get install kernel-image (pick one that suits and install it) |
| 15:29.41 | MSG43 | I've tried knoppix and it won't load cds |
| 15:29.42 | greycat | Midkniht: what VERSION OF DEBIAN are you running? What kernel do you have NOW? |
| 15:29.42 | kjoonlee | cnorton: what for? |
| 15:29.52 | MSG43 | I've tried ubuntu (pci card issue or something) |
| 15:29.56 | MSG43 | any usggestions |
| 15:30.00 | MSG43 | and I can't download anything |
| 15:30.03 | sanso|work | MSG43, /topic |
| 15:30.05 | cnorton | kjoonlee I have a wifi card that plugs into the USB port |
| 15:30.07 | greycat | MSG43: get a computer that's not broken |
| 15:30.14 | takatumi | !rube goldberg install |
| 15:30.14 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 15:30.18 | asg | MSG43: windows might run on it |
| 15:30.20 | kjoonlee | cnorton: and the kernel supports it? |
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| 15:30.34 | MSG43 | what do you mean windows |
| 15:30.34 | cnorton | kjoonlee I don't know, I need to find out |
| 15:30.39 | MSG43 | I have windows I want to try linux :) |
| 15:30.51 | asg | MSG43: the use coLinux |
| 15:30.59 | takatumi | MSG43: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 15:31.22 | cnorton | kjoonlee 2.4.29 is the version I just downloaded |
| 15:31.38 | kjoonlee | cnorton: you might want to check out http://www.linuxusb.org/ |
| 15:31.46 | cnorton | kjoonlee ok thanks |
| 15:31.54 | kjoonlee | cnorton: there's a link to "supported devices list" |
| 15:31.55 | Phalkon | Is there any documentation available on the web for chrooting apache2 in debian? I'm stuck with a 'hacker' using the apache2 uid to run dos and spam scripts :( |
| 15:32.07 | Midkniht | can you use the aptsource for security updates with sarge? |
| 15:32.16 | asg | Midkniht: not yet |
| 15:32.19 | greycat | Midkniht: not usefully. |
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| 15:32.38 | kjoonlee | cnorton: http://www.linux-usb.org/ sorry |
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| 15:32.45 | greycat | Midkniht: but if you actually ARE on sarge, then your sarge kernel should have sound modules, unless you installed woody with idepci and then upgraded to sarge without upgrading the kernel. |
| 15:32.48 | JaMaLz | hello every one |
| 15:33.01 | cnorton | kjoonlee lol ok, that explains the 404 |
| 15:33.05 | MSG43 | I don't want to use colinux |
| 15:33.07 | JaMaLz | does xmame encluded in debian sources ? |
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| 15:33.11 | MSG43 | I don't care to much for virtual machines |
| 15:33.13 | asg | MSG43: then /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:33.22 | CarlosAlex | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 15:33.23 | asg | MSG43: install, or attempt to install, sarge. |
| 15:33.24 | MSG43 | asg I did |
| 15:33.27 | CarlosAlex | This is only 2CDs |
| 15:33.29 | asg | MSG43: off you go then |
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| 15:33.35 | baf | hi, pls how do groups work? I add an user to new group and the change is reflected after re-login. Can I update this on fly, without re-loging? |
| 15:33.37 | Phalkon | It seems to me that dpkg-ing the apache2-chroot-mod only is not sufficient |
| 15:33.39 | greycat | CarlosAlex: which is one more than you need. |
| 15:33.39 | Midkniht | i upgraded to sarge and it just didnt upgrade the kernel, i did a upgrade |
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| 15:33.58 | MSG43 | does debian have a user interface |
| 15:34.00 | CarlosAlex | Id like to get the full version |
| 15:34.02 | asg | baf: you can run newgrp or su - <user> |
| 15:34.03 | MSG43 | or do I need to download it |
| 15:34.05 | ALei | The folks at Klearscreen thought they could use scare tactics to get at gullible computer users with a little extra money (Mac users) and sell a sreen-cleaning product at $15/bottle when one would otherwise use a bottle of glass and plastic lens cleaner freely obtained from their optometrist's office. |
| 15:34.06 | greycat | baf: no, you can't. closest you can get is "exec su - $LOGNAME" |
| 15:34.13 | asg | MSG43: of course it has a user interface |
| 15:34.17 | greycat | asg: I've never managed to get newgrp to do anything useful in Linux. |
| 15:34.48 | asg | greycat: it worked for me the other day but, admittedly, I usually just logout and login |
| 15:35.00 | asg | MSG43: don't /msg people, ask in channel |
| 15:35.13 | Phalkon | anyone? |
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| 15:35.23 | MSG43 | does debian boot up into kde or gnome or something like that |
| 15:35.29 | greycat | Phalkon: install openbsd and use their chrooted-by-default apache. |
| 15:35.29 | Midkniht | which kernel is the better of the ones available for sarge? |
| 15:35.30 | sanso|work | MSG43, have You read and tried `/msg dpkg d-i` ? |
| 15:35.31 | Ronin | MSG43: if youve installed them |
| 15:35.36 | baf | asg, greycat: thanx, thats pitty. For example in Solaris it is possible |
| 15:35.36 | asg | MSG43: not unless you tell it to and have it install the right packages. |
| 15:35.36 | PerfDave | MSG43: If you ask it to |
| 15:35.41 | greycat | Midkniht: kernel-image-2.4-386 |
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| 15:36.03 | greycat | baf: no, it is not. you are vastly confused. |
| 15:36.04 | baf | bye |
| 15:36.06 | Phalkon | greycat: that's not the solution I was looking for :( |
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| 15:36.28 | CarlosAlex | 3.0_r4 this is the latest? |
| 15:36.35 | asg | CarlosAlex: latest stable, yes |
| 15:36.45 | CarlosAlex | That is that I want |
| 15:36.48 | CarlosAlex | then |
| 15:36.53 | greycat | CarlosAlex: latest security-patch-release to the 3 year old stable |
| 15:37.07 | asg | greycat: apparently r5 is about to be released as well |
| 15:37.12 | Midkniht | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 or kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:37.41 | Midkniht | what is kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup??? |
| 15:37.47 | takatumi | CarlosAlex: what hardware is this? |
| 15:37.50 | greycat | Midkniht: man apt-cache |
| 15:37.51 | asg | Midkniht: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 15:38.21 | CarlosAlex | Athlon XP 1400+ |
| 15:38.29 | CarlosAlex | HD 60GB |
| 15:38.33 | CarlosAlex | 512MB RAM |
| 15:38.41 | CarlosAlex | DVD + CDR |
| 15:38.46 | greycat | what video card, what NIC? |
| 15:38.49 | CarlosAlex | GeForce 4 MX 440 |
| 15:38.52 | MSG43 | do I download all of these iso to use debian? http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ |
| 15:38.53 | greycat | !geforce4 |
| 15:38.53 | dpkg | methinks geforce4 is Unfortunately, GeForce4 cards are not supported by XFree86 4.1, which is in woody. You can either get X4.2 (/msg dpkg x4.2 woody backport), or get the non-Free nvidia drivers (/msg dpkg nvidia) or use the 'vesa' driver. or upgrade to testing |
| 15:39.03 | greycat | !tell CarlosAlex about d-i |
| 15:39.09 | CarlosAlex | 3COM |
| 15:39.09 | directhex|work | !d-i CarlosAlex |
| 15:39.10 | dpkg | CarlosAlex, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:39.11 | Midkniht | when i do apt-get install (kernel image) does it overwrite the old kernel or do i still need to put it in lilo? |
| 15:39.12 | asg | MSG43: try using a net installer first |
| 15:39.34 | directhex|work | Midkniht, it installs alongside an existing kernel |
| 15:39.38 | Midkniht | cool |
| 15:39.38 | greycat | Midkniht: the old kernel remains. |
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| 15:39.40 | CarlosAlex | If i do this d-i, this will install on my machine ?? |
| 15:39.52 | greycat | CarlosAlex: only if you help it along. |
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| 15:39.55 | directhex|work | CarlosAlex, that's the idea of an installer |
| 15:40.00 | asg | Midkniht: then buy a cheap nic |
| 15:40.05 | greycat | it does not jump into the CD-ROM drive and reach out and press the power button for you. |
| 15:40.06 | asg | Midkniht: bah, sorry |
| 15:40.11 | asg | MSG43: then buy a cheap nic |
| 15:40.15 | CarlosAlex | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ I found the full new version |
| 15:40.17 | asg | MSG43: and stop /msging me |
| 15:40.23 | CarlosAlex | 15 CDs |
| 15:40.26 | CarlosAlex | Why ?? |
| 15:40.31 | MSG43 | what do you mean nic |
| 15:40.33 | CarlosAlex | I dont know why its so big |
| 15:40.34 | greycat | CarlosAlex: JUST USE CD NUMBER ONE. |
| 15:40.35 | MSG43 | can you link me to one? |
| 15:40.38 | directhex|work | CarlosAlex, found? just use the motherfucking url you've been given repeatedly |
| 15:40.40 | greycat | !overfiendsphallus |
| 15:40.40 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 15:40.44 | asg | MSG43: network interface card |
| 15:40.47 | takatumi | man this guy just won't read. |
| 15:41.03 | XanaXa | hey guys can someone help me out with vsftpd? I am trying to compile in support for SSL/TLS and it is not compiling in. I have read the HOWTOs and README.ssl and defined support for ssl in builddefs.h but when I check with ldd it does not have support for SSL. I have open-ssl installed and it is located in the usual space. I am trying to build vsftpd from the source since I am not sure how to get apt to build in support for ssl. |
| 15:41.24 | asg | XanaXa: did you install the openssl-dev package? |
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| 15:41.32 | MSG43 | asg: I have wireless |
| 15:41.35 | CarlosAlex | greycat the CD1 is bootable? |
| 15:41.35 | asg | XanaXa: or libssl-dev |
| 15:41.43 | CarlosAlex | Or is installer disc |
| 15:41.45 | simonrvn | libssl-dev |
| 15:41.48 | greycat | CarlosAlex: OF COURSE IT IS!!! What the FUCK did you think would be bootable, number 12? |
| 15:42.02 | asg | MSG43: but it doesn't work so you get a cheap nic so you can install debian and then attempt to get it to work with your wireless setup. |
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| 15:42.14 | XanaXa | nope do I need it? |
| 15:42.18 | abrotman | maybe he'd be better in a spanish channel |
| 15:42.21 | asg | XanaXa: yes |
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| 15:42.35 | CarlosAlex | please ... sorry |
| 15:42.37 | greycat | abrotman: doesn't appear to be a linguistic issue. |
| 15:42.38 | XanaXa | ah thanks does it happen to say that in the howtos anywhere? |
| 15:42.38 | CarlosAlex | Im beginner |
| 15:42.51 | MSG43 | asg: can you link me to one I must be really stupid can't seem to find one :( |
| 15:42.56 | asg | XanaXa: it probably says 'make sure the headers are in /usr/include' or somesuch. |
| 15:42.59 | CarlosAlex | I desire to use the best linux, but I will need of patiente and help |
| 15:43.08 | greycat | XanaXa: it's just common sense that if you're compiling with package FOO in debian, you need the "foo -dev" package. |
| 15:43.16 | abrotman | greycat: right ... |
| 15:43.19 | asg | MSG43: pretty much anything by 3com should work fine. |
| 15:43.19 | sanso|work | CarlosAlex, but You will still have to do things. |
| 15:43.31 | asg | MSG43: or get a cheap realtek |
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| 15:43.37 | CarlosAlex | ok |
| 15:43.43 | PerfDave | CarlosAlex: No, you'll need to read documentation properly, understand it, and only ask for help when the answers aren't immediately obvious ;) |
| 15:43.44 | greycat | CarlosAlex: we've EXCEEDED all reasonable levels of patience. You have been told AT LEAST FIVE TIMES to go to the d-i URL and use sarge. |
| 15:44.03 | jethro | THE CIA IS TRYING TO KILL ME! |
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| 15:44.15 | eye69 | jethro: I sent them. |
| 15:44.16 | Delph | .oO( pity they haven't succeeded ) |
| 15:44.17 | greycat | 1) go to d-i, 2) download .iso, 3) burn .iso to CD-R (or -RW), 4) boot it, 5) READ THE HELP SCREEN. |
| 15:44.28 | jethro | eye69: narc! |
| 15:44.37 | CarlosAlex | Ok then. |
| 15:44.37 | greycat | if you can't do that, then Linux probably isn't for you. Granted, step #3 can be a doozy if you don't already have a Unix box set up and working for CD burning. |
| 15:44.38 | XanaXa | well thanks guys it works now! |
| 15:44.55 | MSG43 | asg: I'm not getting it |
| 15:44.55 | greycat | there are also floppy images you can use for a net install |
| 15:44.58 | CarlosAlex | Just having the CD1, I will need to download anothers to install full ? |
| 15:44.58 | chealer | jethro: it's because you're using lynx |
| 15:45.01 | directhex|work | or if you extract the iso and burn its contents, or place the iso file as a single file on a cdr |
| 15:45.08 | directhex|work | both very common |
| 15:45.13 | MSG43 | what files do I need to download for full? |
| 15:45.17 | simonrvn | CarlosAlex: no. you can net install |
| 15:45.17 | greycat | CarlosAlex: There *IS NO* full install. There's just pacakges. You install the ones you want. That's all. |
| 15:45.23 | directhex|work | CarlosAlex, "full" is idiotic and impossible. you download what you want and need as you go along |
| 15:45.29 | greycat | MSG43: YOU TOO!! There *IS NO* full install. There's just pacakges. You install the ones you want. That's all. |
| 15:45.37 | abrotman | greycat: are you sure there's no language issues? :) |
| 15:45.40 | CarlosAlex | !d-i |
| 15:45.41 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 15:45.42 | jethro | chealer: I didn't go to BT website! |
| 15:45.45 | bwlang | how could this happen: apt-get install login -t testing -> Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main login 1:4.0.3-30.8 [560kB] |
| 15:46.08 | directhex|work | bwlang, you on amd64? |
| 15:46.11 | greycat | bwlang: what happens if you put the -t testing first? |
| 15:46.15 | chealer | jethro: you tried the ophelia website? |
| 15:46.15 | sofaSpud | CarlosAlex: there are basically 2 install methods |
| 15:46.17 | MSG43 | than what do I download on the site is says full CD sets |
| 15:46.27 | DavidS | bwlang: login probably is the same in testing and unstable |
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| 15:46.37 | greycat | !info login sarge |
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| 15:46.42 | dpkg | login: (System login tools), section base, is required. Version: 1:4.0.3-30.8 (sarge), Packaged size: 547 kB, Installed size: 1616 kB |
| 15:46.42 | jethro | chealer: I prolly launched some mass rooters against'em |
| 15:46.50 | bwlang | DavidS: so that's normal behaviour? why would apt not fetch from testing? |
| 15:46.58 | bwlang | directhex|work: no i386 |
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| 15:47.02 | CarlosAlex | Iam asking because I will install it at home |
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| 15:47.08 | bwlang | greycat: gotta downgrade first to check.... |
| 15:47.09 | sofaSpud | CarlosAlex: you can use CD's, or you can boot from a CD and point to a URL for the packages |
| 15:47.10 | CarlosAlex | I dont have internet connection at home |
| 15:47.18 | DavidS | bwlang: if version in testing == version in unstable then apt will print unstable |
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| 15:47.26 | DavidS | !info login sid |
| 15:47.27 | bwlang | DavidS: okay .. thanks |
| 15:47.28 | greycat | CarlosAlex: AAAARGH!!! |
| 15:47.31 | dpkg | login: (System login tools), section base, is required. Version: 1:4.0.3-30.8 (sid), Packaged size: 547 kB, Installed size: 1616 kB |
| 15:47.36 | DavidS | indeed |
| 15:47.37 | sofaSpud | CarlosAlex: what's your connection bandwidth? |
| 15:47.40 | Delph | CarlosAlex: move your pc to an internet connection. |
| 15:47.41 | greycat | what the fuck is the point of having a computer with no internet? |
| 15:47.43 | takatumi | CarlosAlex: you don't have any connection at all at home? |
| 15:47.48 | Guerin | bwlang: you REALLY need to understand this shit if you're running a pinned system |
| 15:48.04 | MSG43 | greycat: I have the net but my card doesn't work in linux |
| 15:48.11 | greycat | MSG43: then get another card. |
| 15:48.14 | MSG43 | it a 2wire card it sucks and is wireless |
| 15:48.15 | CarlosAlex | Ok, I understand. I must have internet connection to install Sarge |
| 15:48.26 | CarlosAlex | greycat, let other answer me |
| 15:48.27 | MSG43 | greycat: I will as soon as I can get one |
| 15:48.28 | Guerin | MSG43: here;s a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a rlt8139 |
| 15:48.31 | takatumi | CarlosAlex: not necessarily so, but it helps. |
| 15:48.36 | bwlang | Guerin: i was just experimenting for a moment... trying to get the keyring with the updated role keys... didn't expect to see that unstable line... |
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| 15:49.05 | CarlosAlex | Ok then, I will download CD1, then if I need download anothers |
| 15:49.07 | greycat | I'm serious. WHY would you want to have a Unix computer if you can't hook it to the Internet? What are you going to do with it? Play nethack all day? |
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| 15:49.15 | sofaSpud | CarlosAlex: you need an internet connection to either: 1) get the install CD's, or 2) get one CD and install the rest from internet |
| 15:49.22 | benjamindees | CarlosAlex, the first four or five cds will get you a decent base system |
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| 15:49.31 | Midkniht | i code on mine at home without network supoport |
| 15:49.31 | greycat | the first ONE cd will get you THE base system. |
| 15:49.37 | Piglet | greycat: of course, playing nethack all day is brilliant |
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| 15:49.38 | greycat | plus all the standard development tools, and X. |
| 15:49.39 | Indal | how will you do updates and get packages without internet access? |
| 15:49.42 | takatumi | benjamindees: define "base" |
| 15:49.50 | benjamindees | takatumi, kde :p |
| 15:49.50 | MSG43 | does the first cd have kde or gnome? |
| 15:50.08 | greycat | MSG43: probably both. or at least the core components of both. |
| 15:50.12 | takatumi | benjamindees: that's just bloat then if you need 5. |
| 15:50.17 | simonrvn | yeh, x |
| 15:50.17 | CarlosAlex | base system is all that is necessary to operating system works |
| 15:50.22 | MSG43 | so then what on the other cds? |
| 15:50.27 | MSG43 | apps, games, etc..... |
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| 15:50.28 | Midkniht | i downloaded 7 cd's and burned them at work and that is all the access i have at home |
| 15:50.29 | greycat | the base system is all entirely on the 110 MB net install ISO image. |
| 15:50.29 | asg | MSG43: yes |
| 15:50.35 | simonrvn | MSG43: 15 000+ packages |
| 15:50.36 | MSG43 | oh ok |
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| 15:50.45 | allman | What is the new 2.6 style for compiling again? -> make menuconfig -> make -> and then what? Do I have to make modules_install, etc. ? |
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| 15:50.54 | greycat | allman: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:51.00 | Guerin | !tell aallman about kp mantra |
| 15:51.02 | PerfDave | allman: It's exactly the same as 2.4 |
| 15:51.03 | Midkniht | dont need updates off the net unless something is broke |
| 15:51.05 | Guerin | !tell allman about kp mantra |
| 15:51.14 | directhex|work | not exactly. make dep is deprecated |
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| 15:51.24 | chealer | CarlosAlex: what do you want to do with your PC? |
| 15:51.26 | greycat | Midkniht: so what do you *do* with your computer, then? play nethack all day? watch DVDs? |
| 15:51.34 | PerfDave | directhex|work: It's exaclty the same as 2.4 if you're using make-kpkg ;) |
| 15:51.36 | CarlosAlex | I just used Red Hat, Conectiva (brazilian), Mandrake, Kurumin (Brazilian), and nowadays Ive used SuSE 9.1 Professional |
| 15:51.36 | MSG43 | so I should download the first full disk |
| 15:51.37 | Midkniht | i write c code |
| 15:51.42 | directhex|work | PerfDave, well, duh :) |
| 15:52.07 | allman | hmm.. when doing make modules_install, I get: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via82xx.ko |
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| 15:52.09 | MSG43 | so this one http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/torrents/i386/sarge-i386-1.iso.torrent |
| 15:52.11 | CarlosAlex | At work, I manager a network server, using SuSE 0.1 |
| 15:52.25 | greycat | zero point one? |
| 15:52.28 | Midkniht | i have written c code on computers that didnt even have nix then burn or copy to a disc and upload whenever i can get net access |
| 15:52.32 | CarlosAlex | share internet access, firewall too |
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| 15:52.49 | CarlosAlex | I work in linux since 1999 |
| 15:52.54 | greycat | Bull shit. |
| 15:52.57 | PerfDave | allman: use make-kpkg, not make, to compile your kernel. |
| 15:52.58 | pestil3nce | Yes, we can notice that carlos |
| 15:53.04 | Guerin | CarlosAlex: so how come you're so goddamn clueless |
| 15:53.05 | CarlosAlex | but in the last 2 years I have worked more with it |
| 15:53.08 | greycat | You can't POSSIBLY tell me you've been using Linux professionally for six years. |
| 15:53.09 | MSG43 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.10 | johnga1t | what's a good system log analyzer that would alert via email or the like during specified system events (user logins, warning, etc)? |
| 15:53.12 | Guerin | !thomas_adam's theorem |
| 15:53.13 | dpkg | [thomas_adam's theorem] a debian user's uselessness is directly proportional to the probability that s/he will mention "I've been using debian for X years, but I still can't..." |
| 15:53.21 | sgeigerbot | greycat: he didn't say "full time" |
| 15:53.21 | directhex|work | greycat, probably an RHCE too |
| 15:53.24 | pestil3nce | CarlosAlex what exactly do you mean when you say "working"? |
| 15:53.25 | Midkniht | i have been involved in linux and linux business' since 1994 |
| 15:53.43 | greycat | "business". now *there* is one scary word. |
| 15:53.53 | takatumi | johnga1t: logcheck? |
| 15:53.58 | CarlosAlex | I just use linux at work |
| 15:54.02 | MSG43 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.04 | johnga1t | takatumi : i'll take a look |
| 15:54.06 | CarlosAlex | to read emails, type documents |
| 15:54.08 | chealer | SlayerXP: remember the good old days, too? |
| 15:54.09 | CarlosAlex | access internet |
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| 15:54.10 | Midkniht | i started one of the first linux companies around the same time as redhat and caldera |
| 15:54.10 | pestil3nce | CarlosAlex how often do you call the kernel? |
| 15:54.10 | noooooooob | during login I got the following errors:(II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:13:0 |
| 15:54.10 | noooooooob | (II) ATI: Candidate "Device" section "ATI Radeon 7200". |
| 15:54.10 | noooooooob | (II) ATI: Unshared VGA not probed. |
| 15:54.10 | noooooooob | (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:19:0) |
| 15:54.10 | noooooooob | found |
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| 15:54.16 | CarlosAlex | talk in instant messages |
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| 15:54.28 | noooooooob | sorry about that |
| 15:54.39 | chealer | CarlosAlex: but what you want to do at home (without internet)? |
| 15:54.40 | LSorensen | SlayerXP: Is either typing badly, or lying :) |
| 15:54.41 | MSG43 | should I use so this one http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/torrents/i386/sarge-i386-1.iso.torrent to to get the main debain stuff |
| 15:54.42 | pestil3nce | CarlosAlex ok, lets forget that noone likes you, can you repeat your problem? |
| 15:54.47 | jasz | his nickname is annoying.. "noooooob" |
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| 15:55.02 | SlayerXP | LSorensen: or both. I meant 1984 :) |
| 15:55.04 | CarlosAlex | learn things to apply at workplace |
| 15:55.05 | Midkniht | doooooob wouldnt be annoying though |
| 15:55.07 | asg | MSG43: that's a torrent file, do you have a bittorrent client? |
| 15:55.10 | LSorensen | SlayerXP: I only started in 1993, which was when linux was almost as 1.0 |
| 15:55.11 | MSG43 | yeah |
| 15:55.19 | MSG43 | I like torrent better faster imo |
| 15:55.21 | abrotman | there was no linux in 1984 |
| 15:55.31 | Midkniht | nope, but 1.0 was in 93 |
| 15:55.31 | abrotman | yes .. bad joke |
| 15:55.34 | Delph | pestil3nce: how to download all of debian to install offline. |
| 15:55.42 | asg | MSG43: then that's the first CD iso |
| 15:55.42 | Delph | pestil3nce: if i understood correctly. |
| 15:55.47 | pestil3nce | Delph thats a though one ;) |
| 15:55.51 | CarlosAlex | Its not a problem, its only a wish to use the more used distribution of linux |
| 15:55.57 | Midkniht | i remember running 1.0 and noone knew what the hell it was when the lilo prompt came up |
| 15:56.02 | pestil3nce | CarlosAlex ok, do like this: |
| 15:56.12 | CarlosAlex | I intend to use debian here, and replace my Suse |
| 15:56.18 | pestil3nce | CarlosAlex download sarge cd1 and 2 (if you really want all software)... then burn them.. done |
| 15:56.18 | greycat | Delph: just grab the first ISO and install the base system from it and then apt-get whatever you want from the CD, and when you hit something that's not on the CD, then you can try #2. |
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| 15:56.34 | asg | directhex|work: you l33t haX0r you |
| 15:56.44 | jharrisonwk | any recommendations for dns managment interfaces? |
| 15:56.46 | PerfDave | apt-zip! :) |
| 15:56.52 | Delph | greycat: not me; carlos |
| 15:56.52 | greycat | jharrisonwk: vi |
| 15:57.06 | jharrisonwk | greycat: for hundreds of domains? |
| 15:57.07 | jethro | greycat: vi & cvs I d say |
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| 15:57.25 | asg | jharrisonwk: lifewithdjbdns.org |
| 15:57.31 | CarlosAlex | I will do that. |
| 15:57.33 | jethro | jharrisonwk: try webmin module for bind then you'll understand why vi(m) & cvs is better |
| 15:57.40 | bwlang | anybody know where i can get the public key that signs the releases? it should be in debian-keyring - but it's not |
| 15:57.46 | noooooooob | (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:19:0) |
| 15:57.46 | noooooooob | found |
| 15:57.46 | noooooooob | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 15:57.48 | CarlosAlex | When I used Kurumin (brazilian), that was done using knoppix |
| 15:57.48 | abrotman | no damn webmin |
| 15:57.52 | noooooooob | what do i do? |
| 15:57.54 | jethro | noooooooob: don't paste in here |
| 15:57.56 | abrotman | jethro: what is wrong with you! |
| 15:57.57 | CarlosAlex | the resource that I love was that apt-get |
| 15:58.01 | CarlosAlex | so easy to use |
| 15:58.02 | jethro | me? |
| 15:58.13 | greycat | noooooooob: /msg dpkg FAQ /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 15:58.19 | jasz | noooooooob, 1. change your nickname 2. check that you are using the correct driver in /etc/X11/XF86config-4 |
| 15:58.28 | jethro | I had too much noodles at noon and still I m starving at the moment |
| 15:58.29 | shadebob | !info apache sid |
| 15:58.31 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.33-3 (sid), Packaged size: 374 kB, Installed size: 808 kB |
| 15:58.31 | pestil3nce | CarlosAlex apt-get is avaible for many distros ;) |
| 15:58.54 | CarlosAlex | ok |
| 15:58.58 | jharrisonwk | noooooooob: your BusID is probably wrong |
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| 15:59.04 | DavidS | bwlang: http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2005.asc |
| 15:59.11 | Midkniht | doooooooooooob |
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| 15:59.37 | greycat | is it just me, or is today *extra* perma-sunday? |
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| 15:59.46 | asg | greycat: no, it isn't just you |
| 15:59.48 | Midkniht | what? |
| 15:59.49 | noooooooob | jharrison: I typed lspci and got the correct bus id! |
| 15:59.49 | DavidS | !perma-sunday? |
| 15:59.55 | asg | greycat: sunday was tame in comparison |
| 16:00.00 | jharrisonwk | noooooooob: ok! |
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| 16:00.21 | pestil3nce | noooooooob will you please remove 6 zeros from your nickname? |
| 16:00.28 | takatumi | would've been nice if timestamps could be turned off and on on the fly in irssi. |
| 16:00.29 | abrotman | they aren't 0s |
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| 16:00.39 | Midkniht | what is a em64t kernel for? |
| 16:00.40 | takatumi | s/be/have been/ |
| 16:00.53 | abrotman | Midkniht: Pentium CPUs with 64 bit extensions |
| 16:00.56 | directhex|work | Midkniht, nocona core xeons |
| 16:01.22 | greycat | oh, is that Intel's lame last minute attempt to compete with the amd64? |
| 16:01.22 | Midkniht | ahhh so the kernel-image-2.6.8-9 tree is only 64bit? |
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| 16:01.35 | directhex|work | greycat, indeed |
| 16:01.42 | directhex|work | Midkniht, it's only for nocona core xeons. |
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| 16:01.56 | directhex|work | greycat, it's a broken amd64 implmentation. |
| 16:02.01 | Midkniht | ahhh |
| 16:02.23 | bwlang | DavidS: thanks. |
| 16:02.35 | takatumi | been thinking of updating my desktop, planning on amd64, now almost the whole machine needs to be changed :( |
| 16:02.46 | Midkniht | anyone know where there are some cheap pc's that have been actually tested with linux? |
| 16:02.52 | pestil3nce | takatumi i wouldnt use amd64... its not that good |
| 16:02.53 | directhex|work | Midkniht, wal-mart |
| 16:03.01 | directhex|work | pestil3nce, i'd disagree |
| 16:03.01 | asg | directhex|work: haha |
| 16:03.05 | DavidS | Midkniht: I have tested dells |
| 16:03.10 | directhex|work | pestil3nce, amd64 is the fastest ia32 on sale today |
| 16:03.13 | Midkniht | walmart? aint that a trip |
| 16:03.18 | DavidS | Midkniht: they suck ;) |
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| 16:03.20 | directhex|work | pestil3nce, including value for money |
| 16:03.25 | greycat | Midkniht: wal-mart sells "Linspire" (Formerly Lindows) boxes. |
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| 16:03.30 | Midkniht | yeah but they actually test with linux |
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| 16:03.35 | Midkniht | wait wait |
| 16:03.36 | directhex|work | xandros too now i think |
| 16:03.40 | greycat | Midkniht: they *ship* with Linux. |
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| 16:03.42 | Midkniht | lindows was shit |
| 16:03.43 | LSorensen | pestil3nce: I wouldn't use any current intel. They just aren't that good. AMD64 I will use |
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| 16:03.54 | greycat | Midkniht: it may be shit, but it's Linux, so you know it's hardware compatible. |
| 16:03.56 | takatumi | Midkniht: they run linspire, use it for debootstrapping debian. |
| 16:03.59 | Midkniht | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.15 | pestil3nce | LSorensen amd64 is just 64 bits of 386 puzzle |
| 16:04.19 | Midkniht | may just build my own |
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| 16:04.28 | directhex|work | pestil3nce, it's FAST at 386 code. |
| 16:04.32 | LSorensen | pestil3nce: but it is a true 64bit chip, with very fast 32bit support too |
| 16:04.33 | DavidS | greycat: don't say that. I've seen linux pcs in austria which weren't worth the glue holding them together :( |
| 16:04.43 | LSorensen | pestil3nce: faster than any other 32bit x86 chip at least |
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| 16:05.11 | LSorensen | pestil3nce: unlike the intel EM64T chips which are 32bit chips with 64bit addressing support. |
| 16:05.11 | directhex|work | pestil3nce, amd64 is simply better than p4, for the same values of £££. yes, in pure 32 bit |
| 16:05.39 | directhex|work | !tell pestil3nce about msg |
| 16:05.42 | pestil3nce | directhex|work yes true... but still its cooler to use sparc64 or itanium ;) allthough not worth the money, if i'd go for new processor i'd buy a efficeon from transmeta |
| 16:05.55 | LSorensen | pestil3nce: itanium is a slowpoke for the money |
| 16:05.58 | directhex|work | pestil3nce, itanium is SHIT. spart64 is also shit |
| 16:06.15 | LSorensen | directhex|work: Actually I tyhink the sparc64 is nice, just too expensive |
| 16:06.28 | directhex|work | pestil3nce, yes, very nice, clean instruction set, shame about the ass performance |
| 16:06.34 | LSorensen | pestil3nce: but transmeta doesn't make cpus anymore |
| 16:06.34 | directhex|work | the mess of i386 just works. |
| 16:06.59 | directhex|work | LSorensen, i'd rather have a gaggle of opterons than more bloody ultrasparcs |
| 16:07.07 | LSorensen | directhex|work: me too |
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| 16:08.04 | LSorensen | directhex|work: some power5's might be nice too though |
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| 16:08.22 | directhex|work | LSorensen, well power fucking rocks, but ibm tech support doesn;t |
| 16:08.24 | CarlosAlex | thanks everybody, see you soon. Bye !!! |
| 16:08.34 | LSorensen | directhex|work: well can't have it all :) |
| 16:08.39 | directhex|work | LSorensen, itanium and ultrasparc though, utter wank |
| 16:08.56 | greycat | !start a cpu war |
| 16:08.56 | dpkg | Here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a 6510 |
| 16:09.01 | Midkniht | whats Xandros Desktop Standard Edition v2.0 operating system |
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| 16:09.10 | Midkniht | walmart installs it too |
| 16:09.20 | asg | Midkniht: xandros.com |
| 16:09.35 | pestil3nce | hmm, am i the only one that is missing irssi package in sarge? |
| 16:09.40 | Midkniht | no, wasnt a question |
| 16:09.44 | asg | pestil3nce: irssi-text |
| 16:09.46 | Midkniht | just noticed it |
| 16:09.48 | pestil3nce | ah thanks :) |
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| 16:09.58 | Guerin | Midkniht: it's a half-arsed commercial gnu/linux distro |
| 16:10.10 | Guerin | and I think it's got some non-free too, but icbs |
| 16:10.27 | directhex|work | chunks of non-free |
| 16:10.38 | directhex|work | supposed to have v. good out-of-box laptop support |
| 16:10.46 | chealer | icbs? |
| 16:10.51 | Guerin | i can't be sure |
| 16:10.55 | greycat | not to be confused with iBCS |
| 16:10.55 | directhex|work | !tell pestil3nce about msg |
| 16:11.01 | Guerin | or icbm |
| 16:11.09 | Guerin | or ibs, for that matter |
| 16:11.13 | chealer | ok, I heard xandros recommended by my LUG for "windows refugees" |
| 16:11.17 | Guerin | yeah |
| 16:11.27 | Guerin | lots of point-and-drool types swear by it |
| 16:11.58 | chealer | they had fast user switching in kde 3.1.5, but 3.4 is supposed to have it |
| 16:11.58 | Guerin | wow, 10mbit ethernet is slow |
| 16:12.12 | Lee__ | Ubuntu if you like point and not drool |
| 16:12.19 | asg | Guerin: irc is still just as zippy though |
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| 16:12.43 | Guerin | it's been going for hours, pulling music off my fileserver onto my laptop for easy travellin' tunage |
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| 16:13.38 | eidolon | hi folks - is the Sarge installer stable? Last time I ran it (about 6 months ago with RC1) it was 'okay, but a little bumpy. i have a new machine to install to.. should i just grab the sarge installer ISO and run with it? I want to do a net install. |
| 16:13.59 | Guerin | eidolon: rc2 is good. |
| 16:14.08 | pestil3nce | eidolon i've had zero errors so far |
| 16:14.13 | eidolon | okay, has net install support in it? |
| 16:14.23 | Guerin | topic |
| 16:14.32 | sanso|work | !tell eidolon about d-i |
| 16:14.44 | Devi0s | is there an X configuration wizard for debian? how do I start it? |
| 16:14.47 | eidolon | got it, thanks. |
| 16:14.50 | Guerin | !sing bob2 |
| 16:14.51 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
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| 16:15.10 | PerfDave | Devi0s: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 16:15.19 | PerfDave | Devi0s: X will autoconfigure itself on install if you ask it nicely. |
| 16:15.29 | Midkniht | sarge installed fine for me |
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| 16:15.58 | Devi0s | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:18.43 | Midkniht | whats the line in lilo.conf for initrd? |
| 16:18.52 | greycat | it's the one what's got initrd on it. |
| 16:19.06 | Midkniht | my lilo.conf doesnt have one smartass |
| 16:19.06 | greycat | HTH. HAND. |
| 16:19.08 | DavidS | initrd=/initrd.img |
| 16:19.16 | Midkniht | gratis |
| 16:19.25 | Phated | Gratis...? |
| 16:19.35 | greycat | he's trying to get out of paying us |
| 16:19.46 | DavidS | Midkniht: or try man lilo.conf | grep -C5 initrd |
| 16:19.48 | Phated | Of course he is. He should like... thank us or something instead! :) |
| 16:20.19 | greycat | how can he NOT have an initrd line in lilo.conf and NOT have one on his screen in front of him, and yet WANT one? |
| 16:20.33 | Phated | <shrug> |
| 16:20.36 | Devi0s | dpkg bot must have a large database of info, huh? |
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| 16:20.37 | greycat | the only time you could need one is if you're installing a Debian kernel image built with initrd, and in THAT case, you get INSTRUCTIONS on the screen! |
| 16:20.37 | dpkg | Devi0s: are you smoking crack? |
| 16:20.38 | Midkniht | hmm? |
| 16:20.41 | Devi0s | lol |
| 16:20.50 | Coke | greycat: and even worse, how can he not have access to the manual pages for lilo.conf ? |
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| 16:20.56 | greycat | Coke: yeah! that too! |
| 16:20.56 | Phated | greycat: Chill, chill... |
| 16:21.01 | Midkniht | yeah bite me |
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| 16:21.06 | Devi0s | dpkg give me some crack |
| 16:21.06 | dpkg | Devi0s: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 16:21.22 | greycat | Phated: Today is worse than Sunday. I've had this confirmed by another regular. You've been warned. |
| 16:21.23 | Devi0s | dpkg i will stuff you in a breadbox |
| 16:21.23 | dpkg | wish i knew, Devi0s |
| 16:21.29 | DavidS | !tell Devi0s msg |
| 16:21.38 | directhex|work | greycat, good isn't it :) |
| 16:21.43 | Phated | greycat: Whoa. o.O Is that why my mobo blew out? :( |
| 16:21.50 | greycat | Phated: could be. |
| 16:21.59 | DavidS | !tell Devi0s about msg |
| 16:22.03 | Xemacs_ | Are we having fun yet ?? |
| 16:22.04 | Phated | greycat: Ah well. |
| 16:22.10 | Phated | No we're nor. |
| 16:22.11 | Phated | not. |
| 16:22.22 | Coke | haha! my friend just found out that his new employer, in spite of agreeing earlier, now won't let him run Debian, he must run Fedora. :) |
| 16:22.33 | Xemacs_ | greycat, I want to thank you for all the help with debian, and this channel!! |
| 16:22.36 | Ronin | Coke: at least its linux |
| 16:22.42 | directhex|work | Coke, if he's working & ot adminning, does it matter? |
| 16:22.49 | Coke | directhex|work: he's a hacker |
| 16:22.55 | Coke | hackers _need_ debian |
| 16:23.00 | directhex|work | Coke, i'm sure there's an emacs.rpm somewhere |
| 16:23.07 | PerfDave | Hackers need Gentoy :) |
| 16:23.07 | directhex|work | Coke, and the 20-odd dependancies |
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| 16:23.18 | flow | hi |
| 16:23.21 | Coke | directhex|work: yes, but we do not like to work with our OS, we work ON it. |
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| 16:23.45 | Coke | or, what I mean is this: we do not care how it works as long as it does, and so far only Debian has been satisfactory on that point |
| 16:23.46 | Devi0s | our office likes us to use fedora as well, because our admins have only a poor understanding of linux that is based only on experience with fedora |
| 16:24.04 | darkskiez | he could have a debian chroot |
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| 16:25.00 | Coke | No, Debian is simply the best OS I've ever touched, especially if you just want stuff to work as expected. I just apt-get it and as if by magic some maintainer has already done everything for me. :) |
| 16:25.10 | vercellone | I just installed an AEC-6280 ATA/IDE PCI controller last night - had to compile in aec62xx.c and dependencies to get it working...now that I have I can't see my HD to partition it....dmesg output for drive: hde: WDC WD2500JB-00GVA0, ATA DISK drive.....my first thought is to update my fdisk/cfdisk....please advise |
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| 16:25.24 | virgomoon | OK, stupid question time ... is SSL included in Apache2 by default or do I need to include it explicitly in the ./configure step? |
| 16:25.25 | greycat | Coke: usually. |
| 16:25.35 | LSorensen | virgomoon: it is included |
| 16:25.37 | greycat | virgomoon: you're *compiling*? What? Why? |
| 16:25.39 | simonrvn | virgomoon: why are you building it? |
| 16:25.40 | Coke | greycat: as a programmer I hate administrative tasks and Debian has given me the least grief |
| 16:25.43 | PerfDave | virgomoon: Why are you compiling apache2 and not using the packages? |
| 16:25.48 | darkskiez | Coke, tell him to have an extremely minimal fedora install, and chroot into debian on boot. |
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| 16:25.51 | MrKeuner | hi, trying to compile ndiswrapper on 2.6.10-9-amd64-k8 which was compiled using gcc-3.4. Since default gcc is gcc-3.3 I cannot manage to compile it using 3.4 although I am specifying CC=gcc-3.4 before make. How can i do that? |
| 16:25.59 | flow | how to register my nick? |
| 16:26.01 | simonrvn | darkskiez: hehehe :) |
| 16:26.02 | Coke | darkskiez: HAHA! good one! I'll be sure to tell him that! :) |
| 16:26.10 | simonrvn | flow: /msg nickserv help |
| 16:26.13 | greycat | MrKeuner: did you apt-get install gcc-3.4 first? |
| 16:26.13 | CarlosAlex | When I try to use exportfs -a, the system doesnt respond anymore, what to do ?? |
| 16:26.13 | directhex|work | MrKeuner, rm /usr/bin/gcc; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 16:26.19 | PerfDave | Coke: As an admin I hate administrative tasks and Debian has given me the least grief. |
| 16:26.22 | MrKeuner | greycat/ it is installed |
| 16:26.34 | virgomoon | Uh... lol. Good question. I didn't see it in dselect's list. Let me look again because the surprise is making me think it's there. |
| 16:26.36 | Midkniht | how hard is it to try out the GNU/Hurd with Debian or must it be a total diff install? |
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| 16:26.50 | dvs | flow: /msg nickserv register |
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| 16:26.57 | greycat | MrKeuner: try editing the Makefile, and putting CC = gcc-3.4 in it directly. Or try "make CC=gcc-3.4" (not "CC=gcc-3.4 make") |
| 16:27.10 | MrKeuner | ok |
| 16:27.14 | mruiz | Hi |
| 16:27.23 | streuner | Midkniht: #hurd |
| 16:27.26 | virgomoon | Shit, nevermind, there it is. |
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| 16:27.38 | Coke | PerfDave: good one. :) but as with so many things in computer science, it seems, either you get it or you don't. unfortunately, the slow ones who don't get it are for some reason doing all the deciding |
| 16:27.40 | mruiz | someone run Xorg in Debian? |
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| 16:27.45 | greycat | mruiz: /topic |
| 16:27.49 | directhex|work | my solution is dirty but works |
| 16:27.54 | leOn | hello |
| 16:27.54 | gusto | :) |
| 16:27.59 | gusto | hi |
| 16:28.13 | sanso|work | !tell mruiz about polls |
| 16:28.19 | Bhaal | Is it just me, or is the apt bot being slow in here right now? |
| 16:28.24 | wnf | hi ... |
| 16:28.30 | greycat | we only use apt if we're desperate. |
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| 16:28.42 | greycat | apt's brain has been corrupted with strange information |
| 16:28.54 | PerfDave | Coke: My boss is a Debian fan, fortunately. |
| 16:28.54 | simonrvn | Coke: they're the ones who know how to manipulate people to get them to do what they want, or step on others' toes to get there |
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| 16:29.02 | leOn | i'm trying to build and burn some dvd iso images .. but when i call mkisofs it barfs saying "Value too large for defined data type" .. is there a way around this_ |
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| 16:29.05 | Midkniht | something bad is wrong |
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| 16:29.24 | Coke | simonrvn: I do both |
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| 16:29.27 | virgomoon | I'll need to do a deinstall on the old 'compiled' apache2 before installing the package, right? |
| 16:29.29 | ricky_clarkson | Midkniht: Really? |
| 16:29.39 | sanso|work | leOn, have You tried xcdroast? |
| 16:29.43 | greycat | Midkniht: I prefer a simple "you fucked up". |
| 16:29.47 | WESTERFUNK | when attempting to do the SWAP FILE CONFIGURATION in knoppix 3.7, I get the error "Sorry, no DOS partitions available for swapfile." |
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| 16:29.49 | Midkniht | i just booted my new kernel, ran, everthing loaded, and it just died when it started X, not X but the whole box crashed |
| 16:30.00 | KING^^^ | hello all , i have just installed debian , and there is just text format , how can i install the grafic interface ? |
| 16:30.00 | Coke | WESTERFUNK: #knoppix |
| 16:30.01 | leOn | sanso|work: nop .. but i have tried k3b without success |
| 16:30.04 | MrKeuner | greycat/ modinfo diswrapper-> vermagic: 2.6.10-9-amd64-k8 gcc-3.3 . Still the same although I see gcc-3.4 among make output. |
| 16:30.05 | Guerin | !topicbadger WESTERFUNK |
| 16:30.06 | greycat | Midkniht: nvidia drivers? ATI drivers? |
| 16:30.06 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that WESTERFUNK didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 16:30.11 | DavidS | !tell WESTERFUNK knoppix |
| 16:30.16 | simonrvn | WESTERFUNK: #knoppix is -> that way |
| 16:30.17 | Midkniht | vesa |
| 16:30.18 | vercellone | fdisk /dev/hde: Unable to open /dev/hde? for hde: WDC WD2500JB-00GVA0, ATA DISK drive |
| 16:30.19 | vercellone | ? |
| 16:30.37 | greycat | damned PCI IDE controllers. |
| 16:30.42 | sgeigerbot | WESTERFUNK: where did you get the idea that knoppix is Debian? |
| 16:30.43 | dvs | KING^^^: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 16:30.51 | DavidS | !tell WESTERFUNK about knoppix |
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| 16:30.55 | Guerin | KING^^^: which grafic interface? |
| 16:30.59 | DavidS | gach .. I'll never learn .. |
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| 16:31.06 | KING^^^ | any Guerin |
| 16:31.10 | sgeigerbot | WESTERFUNK: Seriously.. Where? |
| 16:31.18 | Midkniht | Kernel requires old rmmod, but couldn't run rmmod.modutils: No such file or dir |
| 16:31.18 | Midkniht | ctory |
| 16:31.19 | virgomoon | Alright, here goes nothing ... |
| 16:31.26 | green_earz | KING^^^: so you just got dase install and no xserver or desktop yet ? |
| 16:31.26 | Guerin | KING^^^: apt-get install xfce4 x-window-system-core |
| 16:31.26 | sanso|work | leOn, i'd rather fix my k3b / xcdroast - Problem than fiddle with mkisofs - see /usr/share/doc/<package-name>/README.Debian |
| 16:31.35 | WESTERFUNK | what kind of help are people as vain as you all |
| 16:31.35 | Midkniht | pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 16:31.35 | Midkniht | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 16:31.41 | KING^^^ | no desktop |
| 16:31.56 | KING^^^ | just text |
| 16:31.56 | vercellone | greycat: it's a 2.4.18, fdisk v2.11n - any thoughts - besides woody/stable is old |
| 16:31.58 | greycat | woohoo! one less knoppix moron! |
| 16:31.59 | Guerin | KING^^^: apt-get install xfce4 x-window-system-core |
| 16:32.01 | dvs | WESTERFUNK: read the topic |
| 16:32.11 | beeblebrox87 | when trying to play/convert an aac file using faad/xmms/mplayer, i get the error "Pulse coding not allowed in short blocks", both using source-compiled packages and marillat debs. |
| 16:32.15 | KING^^^ | ok thx |
| 16:32.19 | greycat | vercellone: put the disk on a normal attached-to-the-motherboard IDE cable so that it's hda or hdb or hdc or hdd. |
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| 16:32.46 | vercellone | greycat: not an option, it's a dell poweredge 2300 with on board scsi only |
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| 16:33.14 | greycat | vercellone: oh, so you don't need to be able to boot from this disk? |
| 16:33.20 | greycat | vercellone: you have a SCSI disk for the OS? |
| 16:33.35 | vercellone | greycat: exactly, i just want this one as a secondary ext |
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| 16:33.47 | mike_ | how can i install java on debian sarge? |
| 16:33.48 | greycat | vercellone: get a newer kernel (/msg dpkg kp and get the 2.4.29 sources from kernel.org) |
| 16:33.59 | green_earz | KING^^^: i would say just install x-window-system-core then get the xserver up and runing first then install your desktop type |
| 16:33.59 | greycat | vercellone: make sure the kernel supports your disk controller, and voila. |
| 16:34.16 | Guerin | greycat: too little, too late |
| 16:34.16 | leOn | sanso|work: with k3b apparently it has everything to work nice .. but when i hit "burn" it complains about having more than 50% of space wasted and fails.. |
| 16:34.18 | Guerin | gah |
| 16:34.24 | greycat | x-window-system-core and a window manager of your choice. |
| 16:34.26 | Guerin | green_earz: too little, too late |
| 16:34.34 | greycat | and probably an x-terminal-emulator too |
| 16:34.38 | MrKeuner | greycat/ should I put CC=gcc-3.4 after make install, too? |
| 16:34.46 | greycat | MrKeuner: in theory, it won't matter... |
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| 16:34.50 | Guerin | but since he didn't have a choice, he got a wm of MY choice :) |
| 16:34.53 | virgomoon | OK, so where did it put apache2 from the packages? |
| 16:34.56 | dvs | What's the difference between x-window-system and x-window-system-core? |
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| 16:35.15 | asuffield | a quarter ton of stuff you most likely won't use because you're not running a full X system |
| 16:35.16 | sanso|work | leOn, that's a k3b-config-issue - tell it not to complain - or better get off kde ;-) |
| 16:35.21 | DavidS | dvs: apt-cache show x-window-system{,-core} |
| 16:35.25 | SilentBob | Where on debian.org can I get an x86 iso image for the latest sarge? |
| 16:35.35 | Guerin | !topicsmite SilentBob |
| 16:35.35 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon SilentBob. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:35.38 | DavidS | !tell SilentBob about d-i |
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| 16:36.11 | MrKeuner | greycat/ aha, it worked with make CC=gcc3.4 install |
| 16:36.16 | green_earz | KING^^^: and allso it better to know what your refresh rates are for your monitor for configuring xserver |
| 16:36.17 | MrKeuner | thanks |
| 16:36.36 | vercellone | greycat: my controller is detected, and so is the hard drive - it just seems like cfdisk/fdisk doesn't recognize it because they are out of date - I don't want to move away from stable/secure just to partition a damn disk |
| 16:36.38 | leOn | sanso|work: i use gnome.. ;) |
| 16:36.44 | leOn | just happen to like k3b |
| 16:36.53 | sanso|work | leOn, :-D |
| 16:36.55 | beeblebrox87 | any idea what might be wrong? |
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| 16:37.20 | Midkniht | can i get someone to take a look at this kernel error i got when booting? |
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| 16:37.35 | johnnyST | Midkniht, yes |
| 16:37.42 | LSorensen | Midkniht: is it more than one line? |
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| 16:37.50 | Midkniht | yes |
| 16:37.55 | LSorensen | Midkniht: then dump it in #flood |
| 16:37.59 | Guerin | green_earz: king^^^ is gone |
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| 16:38.04 | vercellone | dmesg output: AEC6280: chipset revision 3 |
| 16:38.04 | vercellone | AEC6280: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later |
| 16:38.04 | vercellone | AEC6280: ROM enabled at 0xf8000000 |
| 16:38.04 | vercellone | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.04 | vercellone | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.04 | Guerin | green_earz: has been for ages |
| 16:38.04 | vercellone | hde: WDC WD2500JB-00GVA0, ATA DISK drive |
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| 16:38.15 | Guerin | !topicbadger vercellone |
| 16:38.16 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that vercellone didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 16:38.26 | green_earz | thanks |
| 16:38.32 | _joey | is there a script on Debian to manage startup scripts? |
| 16:38.41 | vercellone | heh..i figured that would happen |
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| 16:39.06 | LSorensen | vercellone: which part of #flood in the topic did you not understand? |
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| 16:39.08 | vercellone | see #flood for dmesg outpu re: controller hd |
| 16:39.09 | Midkniht | got kicked |
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| 16:39.28 | Midkniht | got booted for posting in flood |
| 16:39.35 | Active2 | jade:/root/sgml/pdns.sgml:1:56:W: cannot generate system identifier for public text "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V4.1//EN" <- some now the solution to this warning ? |
| 16:39.45 | Guerin | _joey: sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d, rcconf |
| 16:39.46 | vercellone | LSorensen: it was only a few lines, chill |
| 16:39.48 | LSorensen | Midkniht: yeah you have your client misconfigured it would appear |
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| 16:39.57 | LSorensen | vercellone: more than 1 line is too many :) |
| 16:39.59 | _joey | sorry? |
| 16:40.11 | Midkniht | howso? |
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| 16:40.18 | _joey | thanks |
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| 16:40.54 | virgomoon | Good God, why does the Debian Apache2 package put things in such weird places? |
| 16:41.02 | ricky_clarkson | Midkniht: Your IRC client couldn't handle the flood of text from the luser vercellone. |
| 16:41.16 | Midkniht | ahh |
| 16:41.19 | LSorensen | vercellone: and I see no problem with the lines you put in #flood. Look perfecly ok to me |
| 16:41.25 | Midkniht | so i didnt get booted for flooding? |
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| 16:41.34 | LSorensen | Midkniht: you, you quit because of flooding |
| 16:41.38 | Midkniht | ohh |
| 16:41.42 | vercellone | LSorensen: exactly my thought...but fdisk/cfdisk don't see the drive |
| 16:41.46 | Midkniht | did anyone see my dump? |
| 16:41.55 | LSorensen | vercellone: ide-disk loaded? |
| 16:42.04 | ricky_clarkson | Midkniht: Only the plumbers. |
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| 16:42.21 | ricky_clarkson | Midkniht: Don't flood here. |
| 16:42.23 | pestil3nce | vercellone what bus are you sing? |
| 16:42.30 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
| 16:42.33 | ricky_clarkson | What a fuckwit. |
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| 16:42.50 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: someone isn't using irssi |
| 16:42.53 | LSorensen | :) |
| 16:42.57 | vercellone | LSorensen: yes |
| 16:43.08 | LSorensen | vercellone: what ide controller is that? |
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| 16:43.27 | ricky_clarkson | mIRC++ |
| 16:43.29 | Midkniht | ok i did get kicked for flooding that time |
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| 16:43.34 | vercellone | Acard AEC-6280 aka ATP865 |
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| 16:43.35 | LSorensen | vercellone: and fdisk /dev/hde does nothing? |
| 16:43.36 | ricky_clarkson | Midkniht: = 16:40:50 -!- Midkniht [~midkniht@maxim.acxiom.com] has quit [Excess Flood] |
| 16:43.42 | greycat | 11:43 CTCP VERSION reply from Midkniht: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
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| 16:43.51 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: You're late. |
| 16:43.51 | takatumi | no wonder. |
| 16:44.01 | Leviathann | When I install a package, where is the first place that I should look for it's installation? |
| 16:44.08 | greycat | Leviathann: dpkg -L pkgname | less |
| 16:44.09 | vercellone | pestil3nce: PCI 32 33Mhz (that what you mean?) |
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| 16:44.14 | pestil3nce | Leviathann in "path" |
| 16:44.22 | pestil3nce | vercellone no i mean bus... like eide or s-ata |
| 16:44.27 | LSorensen | pestil3nce: eide |
| 16:44.29 | ricky_clarkson | Midkniht: 1. DON'T FLOOD 2. Your own client can't handle flooding anyway |
| 16:44.37 | LSorensen | pestil3nce: WD JB drives are normal ide |
| 16:44.43 | KING^^^ | Guerin i have installed xfce x-window-system-core but how i start it ? |
| 16:44.43 | Midkniht | ok |
| 16:44.45 | Midkniht | hmm |
| 16:44.50 | greycat | oh, his client handles flooding. it floods so well the server kicks him. |
| 16:44.52 | Midkniht | so whats the deal with my kernel? |
| 16:44.53 | DavidS | KING^^^: try startx |
| 16:45.08 | DavidS | KING^^^: or install xdm |
| 16:45.09 | LSorensen | Midkniht: fix your irc client settings, or better yet, get a real irc client |
| 16:45.23 | LSorensen | Midkniht: I have only seen one line of your output in #flood so far |
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| 16:45.30 | ricky_clarkson | Midkniht: Paste to a website. |
| 16:45.31 | vercellone | LSorensen: Unable to open /dev/hde |
| 16:45.37 | greycat | !paste |
| 16:45.37 | dpkg | well, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 16:45.42 | KING^^^ | and every time i start debian it will start with that grafic interface or again just with text ? |
| 16:46.17 | takatumi | KING^^^: install gdm, it'll take you straight to a GUI login screen, if that's what you are after. |
| 16:46.24 | DavidS | KING^^^: with startx you need to start it manually. [xwkg]dm will come up on boot |
| 16:46.26 | greycat | but MAKE SURE X WORKS first. |
| 16:46.27 | LSorensen | vercellone: anything about hde in /proc/partitions? |
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| 16:46.35 | greycat | if X doesn't work, and you install a *dm, you lose. |
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| 16:46.45 | Guerin | KING^^^: run startxfce4 |
| 16:46.51 | LSorensen | vercellone: maybe your kernel modules are loaded in the wrong order (ie ide-disk is loaded after first ide driver, but before second one) |
| 16:47.07 | Guerin | or startx /usr/bin/startxfce4 |
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| 16:47.13 | vercellone | LSorenson: nothing in /proc/partitions |
| 16:47.15 | Midkniht | ok here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/228 |
| 16:47.19 | virgomoon | Alright, let's try this again... |
| 16:47.22 | KING^^^ | takatumi gdm ? |
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| 16:47.29 | vercellone | LSorenson: just scsi devices |
| 16:47.38 | takatumi | KING^^^: yes, apt-cache show gdm |
| 16:47.44 | LSorensen | vercellone: maybe you have to load ide-generic then |
| 16:47.51 | dureyes_ | when booting debian sarge informs me that dma is off for my hd, how do I turn this on? |
| 16:47.55 | LSorensen | vercellone: I have seen that cause enumeration of ide drives on some kernels |
| 16:48.01 | greycat | Midkniht: did 2.4.* work? |
| 16:48.12 | LSorensen | dur: check bios settings, make sure kernel is loading driver for your ide controller and not just the generic one |
| 16:48.20 | pestil3nce | dureyes_ if its turned of it might be that your dma is broken... mine is ;) |
| 16:48.26 | Midkniht | 2.4 didnt even get past the error i gave along time ago |
| 16:48.53 | dureyes_ | ok |
| 16:48.54 | Midkniht | 2.6 booted all the way and started to load x before it crashed |
| 16:48.58 | yonatan | hello , i am haveing problems with my ftpd server , i have installed proftpd and proftpd-common , when i try to do ftp localhost , i get 421 service not available , why is that happening? i have never had this kind of problem with proftpd. |
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| 16:49.19 | takatumi | Midkniht: check for EE in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 16:49.19 | jethro | yonatan: start proftpd |
| 16:49.20 | beeblebrox87 | since nobody seems to know the answer to my AAC problem, where could i ask? |
| 16:49.21 | greycat | Midkniht: damn, then I don't get to use my "worked in 2.4" factoid |
| 16:49.24 | pestil3nce | yonatan did you start the deamon? |
| 16:49.26 | Midkniht | is the init line supposed to be below the image= line? |
| 16:49.39 | yonatan | yeah i have started it /etc/init.d/proftpd start |
| 16:49.45 | cahoot | beeblebrox87: maybe in #lad |
| 16:49.50 | greycat | Midkniht: that depends on whethether you want the initrd to apply to just *that* image, or *all* images. |
| 16:49.53 | LSorensen | Midkniht: looks like a kernel bug, or defective hardware, would be my guess. |
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| 16:49.57 | Midkniht | no it crashed linux not X |
| 16:50.16 | Midkniht | its virtualpc so its not hardware i wouldnt think |
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| 16:50.22 | greycat | WHAT?!? |
| 16:50.23 | LSorensen | Midkniht: yes initrd goes below image |
| 16:50.26 | greycat | !smite Midkniht |
| 16:50.29 | takatumi | Midkniht: crashed with what error? screen froze? can you be more vague? |
| 16:50.41 | LSorensen | takatumi: with what is in #flood |
| 16:50.41 | Phated | Linux doesn't CRASH crash. |
| 16:50.53 | Midkniht | well i didnt get to see anything but a error about modutils for 2.4 |
| 16:50.53 | greycat | install it on an ACTUAL MACHINE. |
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| 16:51.16 | yonatan | any one got an idea on how to make my ftpd working? |
| 16:51.22 | Midkniht | i cant at work, bios is locked |
| 16:51.24 | greycat | yonatan: apt-get install bsd-ftpd |
| 16:51.35 | greycat | Midkniht: pop the battery |
| 16:51.35 | yonatan | i want to use proftpd. |
| 16:51.40 | greycat | yonatan: apt-get install proftpd |
| 16:51.49 | Midkniht | have to use vpc or vmware, and vpc4.3 is the best stable version i have |
| 16:51.54 | LSorensen | Midkniht: I guess work doesn't want you running linux |
| 16:52.00 | jethro | screen is acting weird, (see http://www.rhbrecords.com/~jethro/fraff.jpg) is that a known issue with workarounds? |
| 16:52.02 | greycat | bring your own laptop |
| 16:52.06 | Midkniht | cant, they are locked pc's |
| 16:52.06 | yonatan | greycat, it is installed already... |
| 16:52.19 | greycat | yonatan: then read the fine manuals (they even have a whole *domain* name) |
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| 16:52.29 | Midkniht | no we are a linux software company, but we have financial clients that want the bios' locked |
| 16:52.44 | yonatan | hmm whatever. |
| 16:53.18 | Midkniht | regardless, i have sarge working now on virtualpc, and x works with the 2.2.20-pci kernel only |
| 16:53.19 | pestil3nce | Midkniht what company? |
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| 16:53.26 | greycat | hahahahahaha |
| 16:53.28 | Midkniht | im just trying a upgrade |
| 16:53.35 | Midkniht | on the kernel |
| 16:53.41 | Midkniht | Acxiom |
| 16:53.43 | greycat | dpkg, works in 2.2 is <reply> <Midkniht> regardless, i have sarge working now on virtualpc, and x works with the 2.2.20-pci kernel only |
| 16:53.43 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 16:54.24 | greycat | Midkniht: "Acxiom"? Is that a typo? |
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| 16:54.29 | Midkniht | nope |
| 16:54.34 | greycat | My god. |
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| 16:54.52 | asuffield | "hi, I work for zxqvbpzt" |
| 16:54.57 | greycat | I... hope they pay you really, really well. And don't take the stock options. Get cash. |
| 16:54.59 | debian | Midkniht: what gets in your way installation linux when the bios is locked? |
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| 16:55.16 | KING^^^ | hi there again |
| 16:55.18 | Midkniht | greycat why? |
| 16:55.19 | KING^^^ | nothing works |
| 16:55.28 | KING^^^ | Guerin |
| 16:55.34 | dvs | KING^^^: I don't believe you, you're here ;-) |
| 16:55.35 | greycat | Then again, you *do* spell your nick "Midkniht". |
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| 16:55.47 | KING^^^ | yes ... but on win ... |
| 16:55.50 | greycat | so I guess you wouldn't notice. |
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| 16:56.19 | asuffield | ah, stock options. microsoft's highest source of profit |
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| 16:57.08 | Midkniht | debian a person or a bot here? |
| 16:57.20 | Phated | Person. |
| 16:57.32 | hassan | /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server: line 46: mountpoint: command not found when i start nfs |
| 16:57.34 | debian | Midkniht: Are you smoking crack? |
| 16:57.41 | greycat | hassan: check your exports file... |
| 16:57.50 | debian | Phated: you too, are you? |
| 16:58.00 | Doc- | Insult-bot :I |
| 16:58.13 | debian | Doc-: don't get me started here |
| 16:58.15 | Phated | debian: Yes is <reply> I want some too! |
| 16:58.18 | greycat | "At Acxiom, we create and deliver customer and information management solutions that enable many of the largest, most respected companies in the world to build great relationships with their customers. Acxiom achieves this by blending data, technology and services to provide the most advanced customer information infrastructure available in the marketplace today. |
| 16:58.24 | greycat | " |
| 16:58.31 | debian | Phated: Ok |
| 16:58.33 | Lee__ | that sounds intense |
| 16:58.33 | virgomoon | OK, back to the source compile of Apache2. I don't like how the package sets things up. ./configure is asking for the SSL/TSL headers. I have OpenSSL installed, but where would the headers be? |
| 16:58.34 | dvs | That's a lot of hooey |
| 16:58.38 | Phated | debian: Yes. |
| 16:58.44 | debian | I want some too! |
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| 16:58.48 | asuffield | I'm not aware of any large, most respected companies in the world who have great relationships with their customers |
| 16:58.52 | SlayerXP | greycat: allow me to requote that using buzzwordd |
| 16:58.52 | Phated | greycat: Too many buzzwords... Aaaaahhhhh... |
| 16:58.58 | asuffield | at best it's a form of mutual disgust |
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| 16:59.09 | greycat | I remember working for a company that talked like that. I never did get my final paycheck. The boss declared bankruptcy a couple years ago, so there's nothing left to sue. |
| 16:59.11 | asuffield | so I wouldn't be greatly impressed by this company. they seem to be sucking |
| 16:59.16 | Lee__ | By the look of all that Microsoft propaganda my boss just put on his desk, they sure do. |
| 16:59.20 | toubsu | is there a tool to read motherboard info, such as bios date...? |
| 16:59.33 | debian | greycat: ass, sue his ass |
| 16:59.34 | hassan | greycat, I have /dirname 192.168.0.2(rw,no_root_squash,sync) in exports file |
| 16:59.36 | pestil3nce | Its all about making the presentation sound cryptical so the regular customer dont know what he is doing! |
| 16:59.39 | greycat | debian: her. but anyway. |
| 16:59.49 | asuffield | greycat: you worked for a company who stiffed you on your final paycheck? clearly you did not make yourself sufficiently indispensible :P |
| 16:59.58 | Midkniht | this company has been here 20+ years, and its all run on linux, so its not exactly what you thin, |
| 16:59.59 | sgeigerbot | asuffield: While I know some people don't like Cisco, the company seems to have a monopoly because they provide great products and great service. |
| 17:00.02 | greycat | asuffield: there was literally no money left at that point. |
| 17:00.08 | SlayerXP | "At Acxiom, we create and deliver customer and information management *BZZT!* solutions *BZZT!* that enable *BZZT!* many of the largest, most respected companies in the world to build great relationships *BZZT!* with their customers. Acxiom achieves this by blending data *BZZT!*, technology and services *BZZT!* to provide the most advanced *BZZT!* customer information *BZZT!* infrastructure *BZZT!* available in the marketplace today. |
| 17:00.17 | Borgon | lol |
| 17:00.17 | pestil3nce | Lee__ arf... you stole my idea! |
| 17:00.23 | toubsu | how could a company fired greycat? are they insane!? |
| 17:00.31 | greycat | SlayerXP: you forgot to buzz "technology". |
| 17:00.40 | greycat | toubsu: I was one of the last ones to be laid off. |
| 17:00.44 | Phated | toubsu: Considering how much time he spends online... |
| 17:00.50 | toubsu | greycat: gotcha |
| 17:00.53 | asuffield | sgeigerbot: you've never actually used a cisco product, have you? their reputation is for expensive products which are extremely buggy, and which randomly change their set of bugs with every new point release of the firmware |
| 17:00.54 | debian | greycat: doorstop goes last. ;) |
| 17:00.58 | Phated | Haha. |
| 17:00.58 | Midkniht | ive worked for a few like that though greycat, sucks |
| 17:01.11 | greycat | Midkniht: I'll survive. I'm not poor. |
| 17:01.16 | asuffield | cisco invent whole new *levels* of bugs |
| 17:01.17 | dvs | I left before it got to that point |
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| 17:01.35 | mtqh | does anyone know why I can't use hdparm on woody with the stock kernel? |
| 17:01.38 | sgeigerbot | asuffield: I'm not saying they are perfect, but why do they have the market share they do? |
| 17:01.38 | mtqh | (2.4) |
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| 17:01.47 | greycat | mtqh: you shouldn't ever need to use hdparm. |
| 17:01.54 | debian | asuffield: that's major source of revenue |
| 17:01.59 | Midkniht | im pretty sure all the really shitty companies have shaken out by now |
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| 17:02.01 | greycat | mtqh: if you're using it to enable DMA, either your hardware is fucked, or your kernel is missing something. |
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| 17:02.09 | asuffield | sgeigerbot: good marketing. they've arranged things so that managers think they're good |
| 17:02.24 | mtqh | greycat: what would my kernel be missing? |
| 17:02.26 | Noidster_ | asuffield: yes, but cisco invents bugs before the rest... therefore they're pioneers d-: |
| 17:02.35 | greycat | mtqh: usually, support for your various motherboard chipsets |
| 17:02.42 | asuffield | sgeigerbot: besides, they don't have any serious competition. it's a niche market really |
| 17:02.43 | sgeigerbot | ..to cisco |
| 17:02.52 | ALei | tone down teh pron |
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| 17:03.03 | sgeigerbot | asuffield: they are huge, though. I don't know that you can call them in a niche player. |
| 17:03.03 | grigora | folks, I am running into a *very* weird problem and can't seem to figure out what's causing it. i replaced a third party binary on one of my machine running Sarge, hoping that the new binary will work, it didn't, I then rebooted the machine, and now it works, does anyone know how a reboot can fix a broken binary? thanks |
| 17:03.06 | asuffield | if anybody ever made a generic box that ran linux and could do what cisco kit do, cisco would be running terrified |
| 17:03.08 | debian | sgeigerbot: you can install linux in older cisco routers |
| 17:03.09 | greycat | asuffield: BSD is stealing some of their market |
| 17:03.15 | greycat | asuffield: not *much*, but some. |
| 17:03.28 | sgeigerbot | debian: Is it worth doing? |
| 17:03.30 | asuffield | sgeigerbot: they sell small amounts of extremely expensive kit, it's not the same thing |
| 17:03.44 | Lee__ | grigora: no, that's impossible. what's the binary? |
| 17:03.51 | debian | sgeigerbot: those hackers do think so |
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| 17:04.00 | coachz | how to remove kwallet from sarge ? |
| 17:04.08 | ALei | teh pron |
| 17:04.10 | greycat | use kpickpocket |
| 17:04.14 | sgeigerbot | debian: do you have a url? |
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| 17:04.24 | hassan | "/dir 192.168.0.2(rw,no_root_squash,sync)" I have this entry in my exports file whats wrong with this entry |
| 17:04.29 | debian | sgeigerbot: not atm, but I think I can google it back |
| 17:04.33 | sgeigerbot | greycat: classic. |
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| 17:04.38 | Vutral | hum |
| 17:04.40 | coachz | greycat, very funny ! |
| 17:04.50 | grigora | Lee__: that's what I thought, but I saw it happen on 2 machines and I need to figure out what makes it happen |
| 17:04.55 | sgeigerbot | coachz: from sarge? or form an installation of sarge? probably you want: apt-get remove kwallet Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 17:04.57 | beeblebrox87 | cahoot: nobody in #lad seemed to know |
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| 17:05.02 | greycat | hassan: ok, then maybe there's a bug in the script. you said line 46, right? what do lines 45-46 say? (If you need to paste more than 2 lines, use a web site.) |
| 17:05.12 | coachz | apt-get remove kwallet doesn't find a package |
| 17:05.14 | Midkniht | gonna try to boot 2.8 again in single-user mode |
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| 17:05.18 | greycat | coachz: dpkg -S kwallet |
| 17:05.21 | Midkniht | 2.6 that is |
| 17:05.22 | cahoot | beeblebrox87: was but a feeble maybe ;) |
| 17:05.34 | coachz | greycat, thanks ! |
| 17:05.45 | coachz | you guys know everything |
| 17:05.47 | beeblebrox87 | any other ideas? |
| 17:05.48 | sgeigerbot | debian: don't spend much time... |
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| 17:06.05 | Midkniht | 2.6.8 |
| 17:06.09 | Zetabyte | they don't know everything, they just know everything WORTH knowing =) |
| 17:06.24 | sgeigerbot | debian: If you would read what I gave you, you would know how to fix that problem yourself |
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| 17:06.27 | sgeigerbot | ! |
| 17:06.31 | greycat | we know all the obvious tricks, and a few of the non-obvious ones, from sheer dull repetition. |
| 17:06.40 | Rawplayer | what where all the package's again to upgrade from 2.4 to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:06.43 | coachz | hehehe |
| 17:06.49 | greycat | Rawplayer: run sarge. |
| 17:06.50 | sgeigerbot | Rawplayer: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 17:06.55 | ALei | What is more stable, Windows XP or MAC OS X 10.5? |
| 17:06.58 | cahoot | beeblebrox87: (another maybe) linux-audio-user mailing list |
| 17:07.01 | greycat | ALei: Debian. |
| 17:07.06 | Midkniht | macosx |
| 17:07.11 | coachz | Debian, OSX, then XP |
| 17:07.23 | Midkniht | no wait |
| 17:07.24 | ALei | You really believe OSX is more stable than XP? |
| 17:07.28 | Doc- | dont swear |
| 17:07.32 | debian | sgeigerbot: hmm? |
| 17:07.33 | Midkniht | XP is like below prolly 20 other OS's |
| 17:07.36 | sgeigerbot | ALei: of course it is. |
| 17:07.36 | greycat | ALei: stop trolling. |
| 17:07.38 | debian | sgeigerbot: what problem? |
| 17:07.38 | coachz | Alei, sure XP is good though |
| 17:07.41 | greycat | sgeigerbot: stop feeding. |
| 17:07.46 | sussudio | greycat: he's been trolling for hours |
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| 17:07.53 | coachz | light years above win98 |
| 17:07.57 | ALei | I am not sure how you figure all of this. |
| 17:08.00 | SlayerXP | ALei: when placed on a flat surface, all are equally stable |
| 17:08.19 | greycat | SlayerXP: no, Win98 will spontaneously burst into flames. |
| 17:08.24 | Midkniht | whats this: |
| 17:08.26 | Midkniht | Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed. |
| 17:08.30 | Lee__ | I like OS OS |
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| 17:08.42 | Lee__ | it has vendor enabled solutions |
| 17:08.43 | SlayerXP | Midkniht: it looks like a message |
| 17:08.43 | loffets | when I try to start multisync in KDE the window never opens, if I rename .kde it works again. Can anyone tell me which file migjt contain the problem? |
| 17:08.45 | ALei | How can OSX be more stable than an OS that never crashes? |
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| 17:08.52 | Zetabyte | XP has a real HAL. yippee. it's bloated, has poor memory management, and generally blows. |
| 17:08.54 | _joey | Mac OS X is zee best |
| 17:08.56 | Doc- | Win98 isn't that bad... it's better than 95 |
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| 17:09.05 | Doc- | Hmm... that's not saying mutch is it? :P |
| 17:09.18 | Midkniht | DOS is really stable! |
| 17:09.31 | Zetabyte | the only way you'll ever say anything positive about a M$FT OS is by comparing it with one of their other crappier ones. |
| 17:09.35 | smt | how can I configure apt-get so that whenever it installs/upgrades a package called foobar, it'd also install foobar-dev if it exists? |
| 17:09.55 | SlayerXP | Zetabyte: I have _never_ seen XP crash |
| 17:10.05 | SlayerXP | not when it's been XP's fault, anyway |
| 17:10.06 | Zetabyte | lol...so you've used it for what, 5 minutes? |
| 17:10.08 | greycat | smt: make a new dummy package that depends on both of them, and install that. |
| 17:10.10 | LSorensen | Midkniht: actually dos had some dumb bugs, and of course is hardly an os given it didn't manage applications, it just launched them (more of a program monitor really). |
| 17:10.17 | sussudio | SlayerXP: that's because it's set to default to reboot instead of bluescreen. |
| 17:10.29 | SlayerXP | sussudio: hush! |
| 17:10.29 | Noidster_ | SlayerXP: I have, once... but it was a documented thing, caused by 3rdparty software |
| 17:10.30 | Midkniht | really though i just got this message boot 2.6: Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed. |
| 17:10.30 | iceman | SlayerXP: except when gates introduced it right ;) |
| 17:10.34 | sgeigerbot | debian: don't bother googling it long... |
| 17:10.35 | sussudio | SlayerXP: nein |
| 17:10.48 | smt | greycat, but wouldn't it be easier to just install the -dev by hand then? |
| 17:10.50 | hassan | greycat, fi |
| 17:10.50 | hassan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.00 | greycat | huh. |
| 17:11.16 | greycat | hassan: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:11.26 | LSorensen | smt: you don't, and why would you want to. besides how does libfoo0 and libfoo-dev relate? hwo about libbar0.1 and libbar0.1-dev? |
| 17:11.28 | loffets | jethro: why are you guys discussing XP, who cares? |
| 17:11.32 | greycat | arc1:~# grep mountpoint /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server |
| 17:11.32 | greycat | arc1:~# |
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| 17:11.36 | jethro | I m not discussing |
| 17:11.37 | asuffield | blaming it on 3rd party stuff is pretty futile, given that MS's strategy for the past few years has been to introduce ways to blame other people for problems |
| 17:11.37 | greycat | svr1a:~$ grep mountpoint /etc/init.d/nfs* |
| 17:11.37 | greycat | svr1a:~$ |
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| 17:11.40 | jethro | I m just stating a fact |
| 17:11.58 | Zetabyte | i had a 2-week old XP Pro install (on well-tested stable hardware) crash, come back up with "corrupt hive registry files", and never come up again. |
| 17:12.02 | asuffield | take activex for example: a system designed for the sole purpose of blaming users for running insecure code |
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| 17:12.21 | hassan | greycat, 3.1 |
| 17:12.37 | Zetabyte | the only software on it besides the OS was microsoft office and microsoft Visual studio, lol, so you can't blame 3rd party apps either. |
| 17:12.46 | Midkniht | nooone knows about the CPU losing ticks? |
| 17:12.46 | jethro | activex is also a way to force people to use ie since only ie handles them properly |
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| 17:13.04 | greycat | hassan: my sarge box (arc1) doesn't have that code. |
| 17:13.07 | Zetabyte | i'd say NOT handling activeX is handling it properly, eh? |
| 17:13.07 | Phated | Why use IE or ActiveX at all, though. |
| 17:13.18 | LSorensen | Zetabyte: but visual studio is a development tool, and replaces system libraies and such. a development machine can't be considered stable of course. :) |
| 17:13.22 | jethro | Phated: sometimes you can't choose |
| 17:13.30 | smt | LSorensen, my point is that I'm not too fond of the -dev separation because I compile lots of programs and in general, I always need to install -dev's too. it'd be nice if apt-get would do it for me instead of me trying to compile something and see it fail because of some missing -dev's |
| 17:13.33 | Phated | That's sad. |
| 17:13.35 | asuffield | Phated: stupidity |
| 17:13.43 | jethro | Phated: I ve worked in a company which used a crm tool based on activex (some equivalent to rt) |
| 17:13.45 | Lee__ | smt: install Gentoo. |
| 17:13.48 | asuffield | frequently in combination with ignorance |
| 17:13.53 | Phated | asuffield: <sigh> As usual, you're right. |
| 17:13.53 | Lee__ | you get all of the Linux |
| 17:13.58 | asuffield | Phated: it's a hobby |
| 17:14.04 | jethro | Phated: as they paied a lot to get the software there was no point in trying to replace it with rt |
| 17:14.09 | LSorensen | smt: they are seperate since people who don't develop, don't need them. Feel free whenever you see a lib, to install the -dev, but don't expect it to be automated |
| 17:14.14 | iceman | whats the name of that program again, that strips readable text from a binary file? |
| 17:14.15 | Phated | asuffield: Well, make people pay you for it and you'd be like... employed. :) |
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| 17:14.21 | Zetabyte | LSorensen, perhaps. anyways, my debian sid machine is like 2000000 times more stable than the most stable microsoft OS i've ever used, and I'm supremly happy with it =D0 |
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| 17:14.25 | Phated | jethro: <shrug> OK. |
| 17:14.33 | asuffield | Phated: care to pay me? |
| 17:14.38 | greycat | iceman: strings? |
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| 17:14.39 | LSorensen | smt: compiling stuff is the developers problem, not the package management since it's not package related. |
| 17:14.51 | iceman | greycat: thanks |
| 17:14.53 | Phated | asuffield: In a non-monetary format, sure. |
| 17:14.54 | jethro | Phated: it doesnt make their decision a good one, but explains why sometimes you *HAVE TO* use lame technologies |
| 17:15.08 | LSorensen | smt: for compiling debian packages of course apt-get build-dep takes care of it |
| 17:15.08 | smt | LSorensen, I'm not expecting it to be automatic by _default_. however, I was expecting to see a configuration flag for apt-get so that it'd do it automatically |
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| 17:15.21 | LSorensen | smt: well there are no rules on what the -dev package has to be named. |
| 17:15.22 | Midkniht | hey? Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed. |
| 17:15.30 | Devi0s | redhat stores the network configuration file under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg_eth0. I need to change the ip address of my machine. Where do I do that on a debian system? |
| 17:15.32 | smt | LSorensen, darn |
| 17:15.32 | greycat | smt: train yourself to install libncurses5-dev instead of ncurses-bin. |
| 17:15.32 | LSorensen | smt: it is usually libbasename-dev, but doesn't have to be. |
| 17:15.41 | jethro | hahaha |
| 17:15.45 | Zetabyte | Devi0s, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:15.50 | Phated | jethro: You said "there was no point in trying to replace it". That implies possibility of being able to "replace it". It's all their fault they chose to -pay- for shite, isn't it. |
| 17:16.04 | LSorensen | smt: besides installing the -dev usually forces the lib to be installed, so you should always install the -dev yourself then |
| 17:16.08 | jethro | Phated: of course it is, but as a user I wass stuck with this shit |
| 17:16.20 | smt | greycat, yeah, that's pretty much what I'm doing, but was just wondering if there was a more elegant way |
| 17:16.22 | jethro | Phated: and had no way to make them change their mind, so had to use IE :) |
| 17:16.28 | coachz | When I pick Postscript printer in KDE Printing Manager it says unable to find postscript driver. How can I add a postscript printer driver please? |
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| 17:16.31 | Phated | jethro: <shrug> Too bad. |
| 17:16.33 | greycat | Phated: managers have weird, defective little brains. They think that if they paid $x for product y, they can't switch to product z, which is free, no matter HOW bad y is. |
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| 17:16.41 | jethro | Phated: a pain, considering the activex was used only to authenticate :) |
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| 17:16.45 | asuffield | jethro: no you didn't. you could have got a proper job |
| 17:16.49 | Phated | greycat: Indeed. |
| 17:16.51 | smt | LSorensen, yup. thanks |
| 17:17.00 | jethro | asuffield: that's what I did, left the company for another one |
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| 17:17.18 | jethro | asuffield: but I wzs stuck in the meantime :) |
| 17:17.19 | LSorensen | smt: I do development, and have never thought apt-get needed to deal with -dev packages for me. |
| 17:17.20 | smt | LSorensen, and especially, thanks for mature answers. seems like we have a lot of kids here |
| 17:17.24 | jethro | s/wzs/was/ |
| 17:17.25 | asuffield | greycat: "inability to comprehend the notion of sunk costs" |
| 17:17.40 | neom | How's debian as starter nix os? |
| 17:17.45 | LSorensen | smt: sometimes I forget to install a -dev for a lib and have the compile fail, and go 'oh right, need header files' |
| 17:17.52 | LSorensen | neom: how is it not one? |
| 17:18.05 | greycat | neom: depends on who's starting. |
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| 17:18.13 | neom | Me. :) |
| 17:18.22 | asuffield | neom: are you an idiot? |
| 17:18.24 | LSorensen | neom: I know many people that have started on it. |
| 17:18.28 | neom | I've used redhat for about 3 years, I understand the premis behind nix.. so.. |
| 17:18.32 | greycat | neom: if you want to learn unix, as opposed to "replace windows", then it's great. |
| 17:18.35 | Midkniht | Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed. |
| 17:18.42 | PerfDave | neom: If you can read documentation and think about problems, then Debian is probably the best distro out there. |
| 17:18.52 | FieldySnuts | Midkniht: likely a dying or dead bios battery |
| 17:18.54 | LSorensen | neom: I don't believe any of them have ever switched away from it. All they need is a few hints on how the system philosophy is, and they get it. |
| 17:18.55 | neom | How is it for hardware compatibility? |
| 17:19.00 | greycat | it's the best Linux distro out there no matter what you're capable of :) |
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| 17:19.05 | supaman | neom: it is a good distribution for beginners I would think ... was my first because I couldnt get RH up and running (but debian fired up like nothing) |
| 17:19.08 | LSorensen | PerfDave: and it has the best community support |
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| 17:19.12 | greycat | neom: sarge is quite up to date on that count. woody is not. |
| 17:19.17 | dvs | greycat: Are you a PR man? ;-) |
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| 17:19.30 | greycat | dvs: "no". |
| 17:19.32 | LSorensen | dvs: at least unofficially :) |
| 17:19.54 | neom | Ok, I guess I'll try debian then. Where would you suggest I get a copy, and are there diffrent types.. what should I start with>? |
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| 17:20.12 | sanso|work | neom, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 17:20.13 | LSorensen | neom: go to the debian installer page and get the netinstall cd for sarge, and read the install docs |
| 17:20.21 | Midkniht | repeating, this is under virtual pc on a new dell pc and i got this on upgrading to 2.6.8: Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed. |
| 17:20.29 | Phated | asuffield: Perv! |
| 17:20.38 | asuffield | Phated: do you have any idea how much I can sell this stuff for? |
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| 17:20.59 | Phated | asuffield: To horny linux hackers...? I dunno, but I want a cut. :) |
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| 17:21.22 | Phated | "Linux chixx0rs get it on with hot lesbian action" could just sell. |
| 17:21.26 | linux_newbie | is there a way to make the System.map link change automatically depending on which kernel i boot into? |
| 17:21.39 | jethro | linux_newbie: use kernel packages |
| 17:21.42 | greycat | linux_newbie: /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:21.49 | Devi0s | Zetabyte, ty |
| 17:21.50 | greycat | and there IS NO system.map link. Just rm it. |
| 17:21.59 | greycat | you should have /boot/System.map-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:22.15 | Doc- | Phated: I somehow feel "Linux chixx0rs install debian" would sell better :P |
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| 17:22.35 | minimec | Hi folks. Does anyone of you have some experience with the motion webcam software? Specially with the ffmpeg feature. I cannot fetch any movies with motion. |
| 17:22.43 | asuffield | Doc-: you can try, but I'm sticking with the lesbian schoolgirls |
| 17:22.46 | Devi0s | so, I installed kde via apt-get kde. now, i want to get rid of kdm xdm gdm, or whatever makes my system boot into graphical mode instead of only going into it when I actually tell it to startx |
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| 17:22.54 | Phated | Doc-: You sad, sorry, little man. |
| 17:23.02 | Doc- | :D |
| 17:23.04 | Phated | asuffield: FieldySnuts isn't a schoolgirl. I think. |
| 17:23.08 | supaman | minimec: non debian specific topic, try another # |
| 17:23.22 | jethro | Devi0s: update-rc.d -f {x,d,g}dm remove |
| 17:23.39 | linux_newbie | hmmm...i have system.map.2.4.27 and system.map.2.6.8 as those are the two kernels i have configured/compiled |
| 17:23.50 | greycat | linux_newbie: good. problem solved. have a nice day. |
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| 17:24.13 | greycat | (I assume, for the moment, that you typoed "System.map-" as "system.map." both times.) |
| 17:24.13 | linux_newbie | doesn't the running kernel need it's file listed as just System.map though? |
| 17:24.21 | greycat | no. |
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| 17:24.33 | neom | Hay guys, thanks very much for the help. I'm just downloading that now.. I'll install it later today. Thanks again. |
| 17:24.35 | linux_newbie | oh, yeah, i knew it was one of the two |
| 17:24.55 | dvs | neom: Don't thank us yet. ;-) |
| 17:25.13 | linux_newbie | so the kernels and whatever programs that need it will look for the one w/the correct extension so i don't need to worry about which one System.map points to? |
| 17:25.32 | minimec | supaman: That may be right, but if there is a motion user, he probably had similar problems. May be :-) |
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| 17:25.50 | TheTom | any easy debian-way of installing the mod_bandwith for apache ? |
| 17:25.53 | DuckInWater | how do i create a title for my screen window and make a new window in the screen? |
| 17:25.59 | Doc- | linux_newbie: like.. totaly |
| 17:26.04 | linux_newbie | alright, cool |
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| 17:26.21 | greycat | linux_newbie: if you have a "System.map" just remove it. |
| 17:26.25 | linux_newbie | so the System.map link has no purpose? if it has no purpose then why is it there? |
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| 17:26.29 | greycat | you should ONLY have System.map-2.x.y |
| 17:26.47 | linux_newbie | ok, you folks have been very helpful once again...thank you much |
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| 17:27.34 | DuckInWater | how do i create a title for my screen window and make a new window in the screen? |
| 17:27.37 | Midkniht | noone knows about the Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed. |
| 17:27.53 | TheTom | screen -S title ? |
| 17:27.56 | linux_newbie | DuckInWater: your screen window? |
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| 17:28.16 | TheTom | Ctrl-a ? for help in screen |
| 17:28.27 | DuckInWater | TheTom im already in the screen |
| 17:28.30 | DuckInWater | ok thanks |
| 17:28.43 | asuffield | linux_newbie: historical blunder. System.map was the original name, and it's broken |
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| 17:29.55 | neom | Is the software enviornment in debian kde? |
| 17:30.07 | greycat | only if you want it to be |
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| 17:30.15 | Kerr | how can i list what mountable partitions i have? |
| 17:30.16 | uwe | is there a chance to change the commit interval of the kjournald? i searched all the web and it did not really help... |
| 17:30.26 | cat | Kerr: free |
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| 17:30.29 | greycat | Kerr: cat /proc/partitions in some kernels. |
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| 17:30.32 | greycat | cat: huh? |
| 17:30.44 | cat | that shows the partition two =) |
| 17:30.49 | neom | Does it give me a choice greycat? |
| 17:30.52 | greycat | free(1) does not show partitions. |
| 17:30.57 | asuffield | well, there's no way to find *mountable* devices. that's just impossible |
| 17:31.06 | greycat | neom: as much choice as you want. |
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| 17:31.09 | cat | oh thrue |
| 17:31.20 | asuffield | you can find 'known partitions on currently visible devices', and guess for yourself what's mountable |
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| 17:31.53 | beeblebrox87 | or just try mounting them all |
| 17:32.01 | juhov | uwe: man mount, search for commit |
| 17:32.04 | greycat | mount(8) roulette! |
| 17:32.09 | neom | What comes default with it? |
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| 17:32.10 | TheTom | neom: gnome is default |
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| 17:32.20 | greycat | for some values of default. |
| 17:32.28 | TheTom | heh yach .. |
| 17:32.31 | thingfish | with sarge, does one have the option at install time of using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 17:32.37 | asg | thingfish: yes |
| 17:32.40 | greycat | the BASE SYSTEM has neither KDE nor GNOME nor any other desktop environment nor window manager, nor even X. |
| 17:32.46 | thingfish | excellent, thanks, asg. |
| 17:32.48 | uwe | i even tried commit=600 in the fstab file, but it doesn't help |
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| 17:32.59 | sveglio | hello!! |
| 17:33.00 | asg | thingfish: in fact, you have to tell it if you want a 2.6 kernel, it uses 2.4 by default |
| 17:33.06 | dvs | thingfish: Thats the default kernel |
| 17:33.09 | greycat | if you select "desktop system" in tasksel (if you use tasksel), you get BOTH kde AND gnome installed, and gdm. I've heard. |
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| 17:33.12 | TheTom | but if you choose to install Desktop Environment, you'll get XF86, GNOME and gdm |
| 17:33.22 | thingfish | thanks, asg and dvs, that's kind of what I was thinking. |
| 17:33.25 | firefly2442 | hello, how can I make sure my libgcc_s.so.1 library is properly installed? |
| 17:33.25 | Midkniht | thats a pain btw |
| 17:33.27 | firefly2442 | error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:33.30 | asg | thingfish: you're welcome |
| 17:33.33 | Midkniht | only need 1 windows manager |
| 17:33.38 | sveglio | can someone help me with some problems with debian??? |
| 17:33.44 | asg | !tell sveglio about ask |
| 17:33.45 | Midkniht | sucks they make it confusing |
| 17:33.48 | Kerr | cat /proc/partitions is confusing... |
| 17:33.48 | greycat | !find libgcc_s.so.1 sarge |
| 17:33.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libgcc_s.so.1' (2 shown): (/lib/libgcc_s.so.1) in libs/libgcc1 ;; (/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1) in libs/lib64gcc1. |
| 17:34.06 | greycat | !+find libgcc_s.so.1 woody |
| 17:34.08 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 17:34.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libgcc_s.so.1' (1 shown): (/lib/libgcc_s.so.1) in libs/libgcc1. |
| 17:34.28 | sveglio | how can I install the java VM in Debian?????? |
| 17:34.32 | FieldySnuts | @ep |
| 17:34.33 | ravenbird | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:34.36 | asg | sveglio: /msg dpkg install java |
| 17:34.58 | TheTom | Kerr: nice indeed |
| 17:35.13 | Kerr | nyeh? |
| 17:35.16 | asuffield | it would be quite difficult to have a system without libgcc_s.so.1 installed and working. it's approximately as necessary as libstdc++ |
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| 17:35.23 | TheTom | (cat /proc/partitions) |
| 17:35.45 | sveglio | how can I install the java VM in Debian?????? |
| 17:35.46 | firefly2442 | so I have a folder called /lib/ and /lib64/ |
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| 17:35.52 | greycat | sveglio: you were already told. |
| 17:35.52 | Midkniht | So, Im using Debian/Linux Sarge 2.6.8 and i keep getting this: Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed. |
| 17:35.53 | Kerr | sleep deprivation.. can hardly read the screen.. |
| 17:35.53 | asg | sveglio: you've been told |
| 17:35.54 | firefly2442 | obviously for the different version |
| 17:36.05 | firefly2442 | how do I link them so they will work? |
| 17:36.12 | greycat | Midkniht: any other errors in dmesg? |
| 17:36.14 | TheTom | sveglio: do you really nedd to use ?x6 ? |
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| 17:36.33 | leOn | damn mkisofs .. can't create an iso file containing a single 6.6GB file |
| 17:36.41 | Midkniht | im rebooting now, i was tring to remove some modules from bootup |
| 17:36.42 | sveglio | thetom: what?? sorry I'm a newbie |
| 17:36.59 | asg | !tell sveglio about install java |
| 17:37.02 | TheTom | sveglio: ok. hot tip. drop every questionmarks but one |
| 17:37.21 | greycat | leOn: 2 GB limit, I believe. |
| 17:37.40 | sveglio | what does it means?? |
| 17:37.45 | asg | sveglio: read it |
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| 17:38.04 | Kerr | is there an easier way to see what (ie dev/hdb1) is there to add to fstab, or do i have to stab at the dark :-/ ? |
| 17:38.05 | sanso|work | sveglio, say "?" but not "??" |
| 17:38.11 | leOn | greycat: how can one create a DVD then? |
| 17:38.12 | Midkniht | this mean anything: modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting rtc (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/c |
| 17:38.12 | Midkniht | ar/rtc.ko): No such device |
| 17:38.15 | greycat | Kerr: fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
| 17:38.18 | leOn | makes no sense |
| 17:38.26 | greycat | Midkniht: I'd ignore it. |
| 17:38.36 | greycat | unless you really *need* the RTC for something... |
| 17:38.40 | asuffield | Midkniht: no, that's a generic error message |
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| 17:38.59 | thingfish | asg: hehe that sounds like it would be cute. |
| 17:39.00 | Midkniht | ok no prob but the other one about the CPU time is scrolling my screen |
| 17:39.02 | asuffield | something is impressively wrong if you can't load the rtc device, but anyway |
| 17:39.05 | TheTom | Kerr: sudo /sbin/fdisk /dev/hdb maybe |
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| 17:39.09 | Midkniht | i cant do anythign with that error on there |
| 17:39.11 | asg | thingfish: cute, maybe, but useful as hell |
| 17:39.14 | DuckInWater | how do i switch windows in screen? |
| 17:39.20 | thingfish | a faithful little beer fridge, following you around the house. |
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| 17:39.30 | TheTom | DuckInWater: Ctrl-a ? for help in screen |
| 17:39.31 | asg | DuckInWater: CTRL+A+? |
| 17:39.33 | Midkniht | Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed. |
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| 17:39.51 | FieldySnuts | Midkniht: like I told you before, dead or dying cmos battery. |
| 17:40.00 | thingfish | hey jethro |
| 17:40.07 | jethro | hey thingfish , laters |
| 17:40.10 | thingfish | later |
| 17:40.20 | Midkniht | fieldy> has nothing to do with a cmos battery, i been researching it |
| 17:40.21 | caphuso | asg: http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/ion3/ |
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| 17:40.30 | FieldySnuts | Midkniht: okay, since you know better, have fun. |
| 17:40.33 | asg | caphuso: some new ones? |
| 17:40.45 | Kerr | are there any better partition managers than fdisk? |
| 17:40.58 | caphuso | asg: yeah |
| 17:41.02 | Midkniht | its not even a computer, its virtualpc so it cant be a cmos battery |
| 17:41.09 | greycat | Kerr: cfdisk |
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| 17:41.17 | firefly2442 | what does "export env. variable" mean? |
| 17:41.20 | azreal | Kerr: parted |
| 17:41.22 | Midkniht | ok got more info, 2.6.8 boots ok under sarge in runlevel 1 |
| 17:41.23 | asg | caphuso: :) nice |
| 17:41.38 | greycat | Midkniht: so the bug is triggered by starting X... |
| 17:41.40 | Midkniht | i go to runlevel 3 and the whole machine turns off |
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| 17:41.49 | greycat | Midkniht: but it remains a bug in the kernel, or in the "hardware" platform |
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| 17:42.16 | Midkniht | im gonna try to boot 2.4 again |
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| 17:42.43 | caphuso | asg: yeah, mod_panews can actually be useful for certain situations |
| 17:42.49 | FieldySnuts | i.got.rooted.by.phpbb |
| 17:42.57 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 17:42.58 | asg | caphuso: true |
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| 17:44.48 | caphuso | asg: but it's a pain to setup, 'cause the whole thing is completely undocumented :-( |
| 17:44.50 | Midkniht | booting 2.4.27 nowq |
| 17:44.57 | justin | caphuso: what are you on, a 14.4? :-) |
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| 17:45.19 | hellblade | hi. i have installed the comix kde theme but konqueror is stack with plastik (the one I had before) |
| 17:45.33 | hellblade | is there any config I should change? |
| 17:45.47 | asg | caphuso: ah |
| 17:45.52 | caphuso | justin: nah, just doing too many uploads at the same time |
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| 17:45.59 | Midkniht | i need a cigarette |
| 17:46.02 | caphuso | justin: should be better in about 3 seconds or so |
| 17:46.11 | caphuso | Midkniht: i have one :-P |
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| 17:47.43 | toresbe | ahah SM0K3RZ HAHALOL |
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| 17:48.16 | _joey | I download latest sarge netinstall iso, tried to install it my p3 system and installer fails with message no partion media can be found. m/b has via chpiset , hdd is ibm |
| 17:48.30 | mmbaba | anybody good at using `tc` traffic shapping? |
| 17:48.43 | _joey | damn it |
| 17:49.01 | greycat | _joey: is the hard disk in the standard "master" position on the first IDE controller on the motherboard? |
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| 17:49.07 | _joey | yes |
| 17:49.08 | mmbaba | what does this error mean "HTB: mindelay=500. report it please"? |
| 17:49.25 | greycat | _joey: Alt-F2 (during the install) will let you get to a shell prompt, so you can run dmesg and so on |
| 17:49.25 | _joey | greycat no problems with woody netinstall installer |
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| 17:49.40 | greycat | _joey: interesting! In that case, please be sure to file an installation report so they can fix the problem... |
| 17:49.50 | _joey | which file? |
| 17:50.01 | caphuso | the verb |
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| 17:50.18 | greycat | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/report-template |
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| 17:50.24 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.24 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.39 | _joey | bbl |
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| 17:51.08 | greycat | cases where sarge fails but woody works are *sure* to be of interest. |
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| 17:51.55 | asg | greycat: did they every get the hppa install sorted? |
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| 17:52.36 | greycat | asg: not that I'm aware of. It still failed with rc2. |
| 17:52.48 | greycat | I have not tried a daily |
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| 17:54.11 | Midkniht | ok tried to boot 2.4 and kernel boots the same ok in init level 1 |
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| 17:54.15 | Midkniht | bout to try 3 |
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| 17:55.16 | Midkniht | ok its definitely X |
| 17:55.49 | Midkniht | booting 2.6 in init 1 again then going to look at the XF log |
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| 17:56.34 | greycat | this reminds me of my HP Pavilion box (i810 video chipset) that couldn't run as an NFS client and run X at the same time in 2.4.x but worked fine in 2.2. |
| 17:56.57 | FieldySnuts | that's strange |
| 17:57.07 | greycat | not as dramatic as yours, though. I just got total an unfixable lock-up of anything that touched the NFS mounted file system after X was started |
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| 17:58.25 | grendal_prime | straaaaang |
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| 17:58.36 | greycat | well, actually I say "worked fine in 2.2", but you couldn't *run* X in 2.2 because there was no AGP GART for i810 at the time... |
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| 17:58.47 | greycat | I don't recall whether I ever went back and tried 2.2.25-ish on it |
| 17:58.59 | brad_ | My resolution is screwed up |
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| 17:59.03 | brad_ | where do igo in Xfree86 |
| 17:59.06 | brad_ | to change the res |
| 17:59.10 | greycat | brad_: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 17:59.19 | Midkniht | greycat> /etc/X11/XF86config |
| 17:59.23 | Midkniht | err |
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| 17:59.23 | Midkniht | no |
| 17:59.30 | greycat | it's -4 now. |
| 17:59.42 | greycat | and capital C, too :) |
| 18:00.22 | Midkniht | greycat> im lost so far, its basic hardware that virtualpc emulates, so it shouldnt loose compatibility with a new kernel |
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| 18:00.49 | Midkniht | got to be something in my XF config |
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| 18:01.41 | brad_ | What do i edit in my xconfig so i can change the resolution |
| 18:01.43 | brad_ | and refresh rate |
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| 18:01.55 | brad_ | because on startup i get this wierd blurred up screen, i think i dont have the appropriate driver installed |
| 18:01.56 | cat | brad_: look at it |
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| 18:01.58 | dvs | brad_: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 18:02.06 | greycat | Midkniht: if the kernel panics, it is a kernel bug, or an X driver bug (kernel part thereof), or a hardware failure. Period. The kernel should *not* panic no matter how badly you misconfigure X. |
| 18:02.08 | brad_ | dvs, Yes and then what? |
| 18:02.26 | greycat | brad_: and then read it. |
| 18:02.34 | greycat | when you see the resolutions, do the obvious thing. |
| 18:02.35 | dvs | brad_: The "800x600" part or whatever. put the resolution you want first |
| 18:02.40 | brad_ | I edit the vert refresh |
| 18:02.43 | streuner__ | brad_: if the driver supports it |
| 18:02.47 | DOCS1S | what kind of packages or projects are available for keeping files in sync across a WAN (i.e. the internet) ? |
| 18:02.51 | brad_ | i have ATI Radeon 9800 pro |
| 18:02.56 | brad_ | but it said its using the generic driver |
| 18:02.58 | brad_ | vesa |
| 18:03.08 | asg | DOCS1S: rsync over ssh |
| 18:03.10 | PerfDave | DOCS1S: rsync is the canonical answer |
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| 18:03.30 | Midkniht | greycat> where would be a good place to start lookign? |
| 18:03.31 | FieldySnuts | agreed |
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| 18:03.38 | streuner__ | brad_: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:04.14 | asuffield | greycat: mmm.... unfortunately there are some 'issues' with the way xfree86 manipulates the PCI bus (which does not involve going through the kernel; it's root and it breaks the rules). it can take a box out from userspace |
| 18:04.20 | Ward | I upgraded my version of nagios to 1.2-2 (backport), but now nagios cant find any services/hosts/host/contacts/contact anymore... Also it cant with the default configuration... I cant figure out why, maybe someone here has experience with it? |
| 18:04.24 | brad_ | streuner__, I get an error msg |
| 18:04.27 | DOCS1S | i've looked at rsync, but it appears to only work as a batch process... i was hoping to find something that work closer to real time... |
| 18:04.27 | Midkniht | im going to boot 2.4.27 to figure it out before i try 2.6.8 again |
| 18:04.39 | streuner__ | brad_: run it as root |
| 18:05.01 | brad_ | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 18:05.01 | brad_ | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 18:05.04 | brad_ | i did run it as root |
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| 18:05.22 | cat | brad_: do this then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:05.30 | DOCS1S | i.e. if a user saves a file on one side of the WAN, they have to wait for the next time rsync runs to get the file on the other side |
| 18:05.35 | asg | DOCS1S: I suppose you could share a directory or two using shfs (or run rsync + ssh via cron periodically) |
| 18:06.14 | streuner__ | brad_: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 18:06.21 | greycat | Why do people make web sites with forms with pulldown lists that have no submit buttons, but instead, rely on Javascript to submit it for you after you click the list? |
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| 18:06.23 | Covener | This question may not be sensible -- what utility will dump out info about an executable or or shared library that would tell me the size of the read-only .text segment? |
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| 18:06.32 | greycat | THAT'S SO FUCKING STUPID! |
| 18:06.37 | bactis | how can i change the powermangement of my debian system? |
| 18:06.48 | asg | greycat: because they took the 'webmaster in 24 hours for morons' class |
| 18:06.52 | webmind | define 'change' |
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| 18:07.03 | asuffield | greycat: probably because they're stupid artsy fucks who shouldn't have been allowed near a computer |
| 18:07.25 | webmind | btw does anyone know why rmnologin follows symlinks while shutdown does not ? |
| 18:07.29 | Midkniht | hmm |
| 18:07.30 | neiljp-work | does anyone use an Asus A8V deluxe m/b with the realtek ALC850 sound chipset? its not mentioned on alsa-project.org, but I see references to it possibly working...? |
| 18:07.36 | bactis | i mean my laptop cpu cooler is working all the time at 100 %, in windows the cooler is only working 100 % when it's needed |
| 18:07.37 | matto__ | -> chmod : "who" is the owner and how do i change the owner? stupid me runs as root chmod a=rw on my home dir :-( |
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| 18:07.53 | dvs | neiljp-gone: Thry i810_audio |
| 18:08.03 | Midkniht | ok i didnt even try to run init 3, i just tried to run /usr/X11/bin/X and it crashed the machine |
| 18:08.12 | juhov | covener: objdump? |
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| 18:08.21 | greycat | Anyway, that was really a rhetorical question. |
| 18:08.21 | cat | !tell Midkniht about set up x |
| 18:08.28 | bactis | webmind can you help me? |
| 18:08.33 | asg | greycat: but we had to answer regardless |
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| 18:09.32 | bactis | or somebody knows where i can change the powermangment of my cpu + cpu cooler? |
| 18:09.37 | difeta | what file must i edit to change the text at the textbased login screen.. ie the tty? |
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| 18:09.54 | asg | difeta: /etc/issue, /etc/motd |
| 18:10.00 | Covener | juhov: I was looking at that and found the 'size' util -- i didn't see how to get what I wanted in objdump |
| 18:10.01 | difeta | asg thanks |
| 18:10.06 | Puppster | hello, bizarre question... just apt-got kernel-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8-smp on a 2-processor amd... but when i boot in it, everything i type is capitalized unless i turn caps lock on and so forth... any idea? this is just the console keyboard driver, x isn't even installed |
| 18:10.26 | Puppster | keyboard seems to work fine on the i386 kernel |
| 18:10.27 | matto__ | powermanagetment -> what do you want to change? acpi or apm |
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| 18:10.56 | Covener | juhov: doh, I saw .text scroll by when I did the -s though,so i guess it is what I want! |
| 18:11.39 | bactis | hmm i don't know how it's working on my laptop whether its acpi or apm, i can't go through my bios and look because my original tastur got messed up |
| 18:12.07 | juhov | covener: objdump -x also shows it |
| 18:12.08 | bactis | is there a grafical interface to configurer acpi or apm? |
| 18:12.10 | takatumi | bactis: tastur? |
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| 18:12.15 | asg | bactis: you might ask on the debian-laptops mailing list |
| 18:12.18 | bactis | tastatur |
| 18:12.27 | asg | takatumi: like Hastur but more speakable |
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| 18:12.32 | matto__ | tastur = keyboard |
| 18:12.42 | bactis | yes i mean keyboard sorry :) |
| 18:12.42 | takatumi | ah. |
| 18:12.55 | bactis | thanks asg, i give it a try |
| 18:13.11 | Midkniht | what is the amd64 chip name? |
| 18:13.16 | takatumi | so your keyboard is borked and can't type? |
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| 18:13.39 | difeta | asg hmm, this doesnt seem to have what i want. I'm trying to clear the buffer when the login screen shows up. |
| 18:13.56 | asg | difeta: so you don't see the boot messages? |
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| 18:14.15 | cat | i wonder if u can put an image on grub |
| 18:14.28 | difeta | asg bootmessages and what a previous user was doing |
| 18:14.29 | bactis | no my original laptop keyboard is dead, i only have a usb keyboard for working with my laptop.. but with the usb keyboard you cant go in the bios and look at your powermanagment options |
| 18:14.39 | takatumi | cat: tried info grub? |
| 18:14.43 | minimec | ls |
| 18:14.46 | asg | difeta: for the latter, 'echo clear >> ~/.bash_logout' (if you use bash) |
| 18:14.48 | niels2 | Dear gurus please help me with this one. When I do dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base my soundslot 0 becomes a dummy and soundslot 1 becomes my soundcard (in /etc/modutils/alsa). When I do sndconfig /dev/dsp nbecomes a link to dsp0 (the dummy). This means that all my programs refer to to dummy slot, dsp0, instead of the sound card, dsp1. I must have made this error myself, but I forgot what I did. Which files should I look at to fix this? |
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| 18:15.07 | difeta | asg ok, and for the bootmessages? |
| 18:15.09 | asg | difeta: for the former, create a sysv init (/etc/init.d/skeleton for an example) that runs clear and runs it at the end |
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| 18:15.17 | brad_ | nothing happened guys |
| 18:15.20 | brad_ | the text just got really small |
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| 18:15.28 | difeta | asg ok that works |
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| 18:15.47 | asg | difeta: for new users, don't forget to create a .bash_logout file with 'clear' in it in /etc/skel |
| 18:15.53 | brad_ | help |
| 18:15.56 | brad_ | the res is so huge |
| 18:16.00 | difeta | asg ok |
| 18:16.03 | brad_ | but the font is small |
| 18:16.13 | ricky_clarkson | brad_: Ctrl-Alt-NumPadPlus |
| 18:16.16 | takatumi | bactis: dmesg should show you what is loaded, acpi or apm, try dmesg |less |
| 18:16.20 | bwlang | is it possible to get apt-get to ignore dependencies and just download a deb? i need the php executable to do some colorizing of source files but i don't actually need to run php (so no need for all the deps) |
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| 18:16.33 | brad_ | didnt work |
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| 18:16.39 | mattybats | i got my dualboot gaydos debian install working :] |
| 18:16.39 | ricky_clarkson | bwlang: --download-only? |
| 18:16.57 | mattybats | i'm so proud of myself |
| 18:16.59 | brad_ | is there some utility for configuring the resolutioin |
| 18:16.59 | bwlang | ricky_clarkson: seems to still want to download all the dependencies... |
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| 18:17.03 | xenoduck | bwlang: Download the package at packages.debian.org. |
| 18:17.03 | streuner | brad_: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
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| 18:17.13 | bactis | its acpi @ takatumi |
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| 18:17.22 | streuner | brad_: only the version |
| 18:17.28 | brad_ | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 18:17.28 | brad_ | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 18:17.31 | asg | bwlang: get php4-cgi if you just want to run php4 from the cli. |
| 18:17.34 | bactis | and how can i change the powermanagement for acpi? |
| 18:17.39 | bwlang | xenoduck: yeah - i probably will just have to do it manually and use dpkg to force install it .... |
| 18:17.39 | brad_ | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 18:17.54 | brad_ | i dont know what to do |
| 18:17.57 | bwlang | asg: ah - thanks... |
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| 18:18.32 | brad_ | Can anyone hlep me with the resolution here |
| 18:18.37 | brad_ | ATI chip, i choose the right driver |
| 18:18.37 | brad_ | no luck |
| 18:18.47 | streuner | brad_: visit ati and get the driver |
| 18:19.00 | _joey | caphuso I tried to install sarge using sarge netinst again, looked at messages and it looks like installer is trying to setup volumes (/dev/ide0/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/) which I don't have and the reason is why it's trying is probably because the m/b Ihave supports raid |
| 18:19.14 | takatumi | bactis: what does "dpkg -l acpi*" give? |
| 18:19.22 | _joey | I couldn't save the log file I couldn't mount anything |
| 18:19.42 | caphuso | _joey: and why are you asking me? |
| 18:19.44 | bwlang | brad_: i disagree iwth streuner... unless you're doing gaming or cad you don't need the ati driver... the one in x11 should do it for you. |
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| 18:20.02 | _joey | we were discussing the problem about 10 minutes , wren't we? |
| 18:20.13 | brad_ | It isnt working |
| 18:20.17 | brad_ | the resolution is bad |
| 18:20.21 | brad_ | but the text is really really small |
| 18:20.25 | brad_ | lkie i can barely see what u guys are typing |
| 18:20.38 | Midkniht | greycat> this is weird, the XF.log file looks like X loaded correctly |
| 18:20.40 | bactis | no package found matching acpi* |
| 18:20.47 | asg | !feed streuner |
| 18:20.48 | bwlang | brad_: okay... it's working - you just have some setting wrong. |
| 18:20.48 | Midkniht | so it must be something else |
| 18:20.57 | streuner | :-) |
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| 18:20.59 | brad_ | So how do i configure it properly? |
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| 18:21.48 | bwlang | brad_: did you use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:21.52 | brad_ | yes id id |
| 18:21.55 | takatumi | bactis: you could install acpi and acpid, those are what I've installed. you could also check various info in /proc/acpi/ |
| 18:22.13 | Midkniht | why would X crash a machine (Deb/Linx Sarge) |
| 18:22.31 | _joey | X |
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| 18:22.42 | _joey | X's log should provide some information |
| 18:23.06 | brad_ | i used that configure |
| 18:23.10 | asg | Midkniht: didn't you say you were running in virtualpc ? |
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| 18:23.12 | brad_ | i choose medium |
| 18:23.14 | Midkniht | nope, the log looks like it ran perfect |
| 18:23.19 | brad_ | and it doesnt give me the modes i selected for X |
| 18:23.20 | Midkniht | yep virtualpc 4.3 |
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| 18:23.27 | bactis | ok thank you takatumi, but how can i check info's from /proc/acpi/ |
| 18:23.30 | Midkniht | (pre microsoft) |
| 18:23.35 | bwlang | brad_: okay do you have the specs for your monitor? |
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| 18:23.39 | asg | Midkniht: did you add any special kernel modules for vpc or just the standard kernel and X packages? |
| 18:23.40 | bactis | i'm sorry but its my second day on linux :) |
| 18:23.42 | brad_ | 18 inch |
| 18:23.44 | cat | bactis: cat /proc/acpi |
| 18:23.48 | brad_ | MultiSync FE990 |
| 18:23.57 | bactis | ah thanks cat |
| 18:23.59 | brad_ | ClearFlat NEC |
| 18:24.01 | bwlang | brad_: is this an lcd? |
| 18:24.02 | Midkniht | standard shit, and it worked great under 2.2.20-idepci |
| 18:24.05 | brad_ | no its not |
| 18:24.15 | Midkniht | crashed everytime under 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 18:24.16 | npx | d-i works flawlessly with colinux, I'm amazed |
| 18:24.42 | bwlang | brad_: the specs you need are the refresh rates... should be in your manual or you could google for them |
| 18:24.49 | bactis | okay thanks everyone so far, i will install acpi stuff now and hope it will work :) |
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| 18:25.05 | asg | Midkniht: that is odd. |
| 18:25.19 | brad_ | alright one sec |
| 18:25.19 | asg | Midkniht: have you tried using a vanilla 2.4.x or 2.6.x kernel? |
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| 18:25.32 | brad_ | 30 to 96 Syncrhrnoization horizantal |
| 18:25.38 | brad_ | Range vertical is 50 to 160 |
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| 18:26.02 | bwlang | brad_: okay so open up your XF86Config-4 file |
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| 18:26.41 | Phated | Why not just reconfigure and choose advanced for the setting type? |
| 18:26.47 | Midkniht | what is vanilla? I got the only 2 offered in Sarge |
| 18:26.58 | asg | Midkniht: vanilla == one downloaded from kernel.org |
| 18:27.01 | brad_ | yeh i changed the options |
| 18:27.03 | brad_ | will it work now? |
| 18:27.09 | asg | Midkniht: not patched by the distro |
| 18:27.09 | juhov | do you even need to configure refresh rates manually nowadays? |
| 18:27.15 | bwlang | brad_: which options are you talking about? |
| 18:27.21 | Midkniht | asg> they have prebuilt kernels? |
| 18:27.30 | asg | Midkniht: no, you have to compile it yourself |
| 18:27.40 | Midkniht | hmmm |
| 18:27.42 | brad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.42 | brad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.42 | brad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.42 | brad_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:27.46 | Midkniht | that sucks |
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| 18:27.58 | bwlang | brad_: use #flood fo that stuff |
| 18:28.00 | Midkniht | i guess i gotta reboot into 2.2.20 again for that |
| 18:28.05 | brad_ | thats correct right? |
| 18:28.09 | brad_ | now it should work? |
| 18:28.11 | pingouin_ | if i made and add in ~/.bash_profile (export $somestuff) how i tell debian to take care of this change ? |
| 18:28.12 | Midkniht | i forgot why i even upgraded to begin with now |
| 18:28.24 | greycat | pingouin_: logout and back in, of course. |
| 18:28.28 | bwlang | brad_: i can't tell i only saw a couple of lines..... did you change the identifier? |
| 18:28.29 | asg | Midkniht: also, you aren't using some crazy framebuffer setup are you? |
| 18:28.30 | Phated | pingouin_: Log out and back in. |
| 18:28.34 | brad_ | yes |
| 18:28.39 | pingouin_ | :$ |
| 18:28.40 | npx | pingouin_, yeah - read the comments in ~/.bash* |
| 18:28.44 | pingouin_ | ok |
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| 18:29.01 | bwlang | brad_: you need to change the identifier everywhere... not just one place. |
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| 18:29.27 | npx | brad_, I think it's 31-95, 55-160 |
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| 18:29.39 | npx | (that |
| 18:29.40 | brad_ | no im following the manual |
| 18:29.45 | Midkniht | asg> im using the standard vesa driver |
| 18:29.55 | bactis | hmm acpid says, that i have to recompile the kernel with acpi support, somebody knows how i can do that? |
| 18:29.56 | npx | okay, that's cool, my last NEC was 31-95/55-160 |
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| 18:30.05 | asg | Midkniht: and not using a fb console (booting with vga=791 or similar) ? |
| 18:30.07 | npx | and I can't remember the model no |
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| 18:30.19 | Midkniht | virtualpc emulated a S3 chip for graphics, and no fb |
| 18:30.38 | Midkniht | vga=normal |
| 18:30.45 | asg | Midkniht: okay, just checking |
| 18:30.59 | npx | Midkniht, using a native X server and exporting stuff from the virtual machine is a lot faster in my experience |
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| 18:31.35 | Midkniht | npx> explain please? |
| 18:32.43 | quitte | tarzeau: are you there? |
| 18:32.53 | npx | Midkniht, You run cygwin/X natively in windows, run xhost +debian_system_addr, then export DISPLAY=windows_internal_iface X_app |
| 18:33.15 | Midkniht | downloaded 2.6.10 and will recompile i guess |
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| 18:34.01 | Midkniht | npx> what all can be run that way? |
| 18:34.11 | npx | Midkniht, entire desktop environments if you feel like it |
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| 18:34.21 | stephenM | hey all |
| 18:34.21 | npx | I just run konsole and kate most of the time |
| 18:34.22 | Midkniht | i wanna try that |
| 18:34.28 | stephenM | how do I upgrade debian to 2.6.10 via apt pls? |
| 18:34.38 | nelsong | Hi, I'm having some issues with gnome-volume-control, it keeps showing me an OSS mixer and not an ALSA mixer as I have configured. |
| 18:34.43 | npx | stephenM apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 18:34.45 | Midkniht | stephenM> cant, you have to compile yourself |
| 18:35.00 | npx | If you're not running unstable you have to |
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| 18:35.25 | Midkniht | im running sarge and i cant get but 2.6.8 |
| 18:35.26 | stephenM | what's the command to install the kernel once I've selected one? |
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| 18:35.38 | Midkniht | apt-get install kernel-image |
| 18:35.44 | stephenM | thanks |
| 18:36.12 | bactis | how can i recompile the kernel with acpi support and install the new kernel? |
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| 18:36.32 | sussudio | badger! |
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| 18:37.46 | pingouin_ | bactis: you run classic debian kernel ? go root, modconf and load the module |
| 18:38.07 | pingouin_ | bactis: sinon : http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html |
| 18:38.23 | takatumi | bactis: keep it on the main channel window, please. |
| 18:38.48 | takatumi | bactis: which kernel are you running now? |
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| 18:39.32 | takatumi | Midkniht: get 2.6.10 from sid. |
| 18:39.37 | bactis | sorry for the query, i dont know, i'm a toal newbie with linux sorry |
| 18:39.50 | takatumi | bactis: apt-get install debian-reference |
| 18:40.02 | Midkniht | takatumi> how? |
| 18:40.45 | ricky_clarkson | Why does Midkniht want 2.6.10? |
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| 18:41.01 | Myren | how to i convert a $(( [math calculation] )) result into hex? |
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| 18:41.13 | takatumi | Midkniht: download the kernel-image package from packages.debian.org and install it. |
| 18:41.14 | ricky_clarkson | Myren: With a programming language. |
| 18:41.18 | Myren | bah |
| 18:41.18 | greycat | Myren: printf %x $(( foo )) |
| 18:41.23 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: like bash? |
| 18:41.26 | ricky_clarkson | Yep. |
| 18:41.27 | ricky_clarkson | ;) |
| 18:41.41 | greycat | imadev:~$ printf '%x\n' $(( 5 * 7 )) |
| 18:41.41 | greycat | 23 |
| 18:41.43 | Myren | oh, thats whta printf is good for |
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| 18:43.25 | ideafix | dont you think ubuntu folks are wimps ? |
| 18:43.35 | asg | ideafix: no |
| 18:43.36 | FieldySnuts | who cares, this is #debian |
| 18:43.41 | ricky_clarkson | !not support |
| 18:43.42 | takatumi | Midkniht: why are you running virtualpc? |
| 18:43.52 | ricky_clarkson | !factinfo not support |
| 18:43.52 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as not support, ricky_clarkson |
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| 18:44.13 | Midkniht | i dont even want 2.6.10, i just wanted sound under Debian/Sarge, and it seems 2.2.20 doesnt have support, so i have to upgrade, and the versions i keep trying break X, which sucks too. I just want X and sound under Sarge |
| 18:44.14 | cat | !factinfo pork |
| 18:44.15 | dpkg | pork -- created by streuner <~streuner@pD9E5DA38.dip.t-dialin.net> at Tue Dec 7 08:17:17 2004 (56 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by cat at Wed Dec 22 03:15:02 2004. |
| 18:44.22 | EdibleText | that factoid is not supported |
| 18:44.28 | cat | !factinfo verse |
| 18:44.29 | dpkg | cat: there's no such factoid as verse |
| 18:44.30 | npx | hehe |
| 18:44.41 | takatumi | Midkniht: if it's just X, like I said check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 18:44.51 | greycat | Midkniht: 2.2.20 itself has sound modules, but 2.2.20-idepci does not. |
| 18:45.05 | Myren | anyone knwo if the ubuntu X.org packages work for debian? |
| 18:45.06 | idnar | hrm, what is that factoid? |
| 18:45.12 | Midkniht | can i get 2.2.20 with modules? |
| 18:45.13 | cat | dpkg: verse is the verse of the bibles every day a new one, from the king james |
| 18:45.14 | dpkg | okay, cat |
| 18:45.16 | cat | !factinfo verse |
| 18:45.17 | dpkg | verse -- created by cat <~W00t@cat.user> 3s ago. |
| 18:45.20 | Midkniht | fpor Debian/Sarge? |
| 18:45.22 | cat | !verse |
| 18:45.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, verse is the verse of the bibles every day a new one, from the king james |
| 18:45.29 | idnar | the "no support" one |
| 18:45.29 | ricky_clarkson | cat: /msg dpkg |
| 18:45.31 | takatumi | Myren: heard it works with sid, dunno about sarge. |
| 18:45.54 | Myren | hmm, tempting. |
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| 18:46.25 | takatumi | Myren: are you missing something with the xfree debian package? |
| 18:46.40 | stephenM | hmm, the kernel upgrade process crashed, is it possible to force apt to re-download the packages from scratch? |
| 18:46.45 | greycat | cat: that's a useless factoid. What were you trying to do with the bot? |
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| 18:46.58 | Myren | supposedly the ati drivers are a lot better, both in performance and ability to suspend. something that'd be nice for this laptop |
| 18:47.18 | greycat | stephenM: apt-get --reinstall -d install ... |
| 18:47.21 | stephenM | thanks |
| 18:47.31 | sin | how can i syncronize the dselect list with what i actually have installed? |
| 18:47.36 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 18:47.37 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
| 18:47.37 | greycat | you may want to remove files from the cache first |
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| 18:47.55 | stephenM | uh, it's crashing with "Segmentation fault" |
| 18:48.01 | greycat | sin: what did you *do*? |
| 18:48.04 | takatumi | Myren: which ati card? |
| 18:48.05 | idnar | ah, of course |
| 18:48.06 | cat | greycat: add a new one? |
| 18:48.11 | Myren | Mobility LY6 |
| 18:48.19 | takatumi | cat: why add cruft? |
| 18:48.20 | greycat | cat: is it a *package*? |
| 18:48.34 | hklinkma | I hope someone can help me. Apt complains a package libopenh323-12.1 is broken, and when I try to remove it, apt segfaults and the system halts. Also, I tried removing libopenh files in /usr/lib and the system halts too. what to do? |
| 18:48.36 | Myren | ancient ancient stuff, but supposedly it'll suspend. i've been having "issues" with DRI. |
| 18:48.39 | greycat | !info verse sarge |
| 18:48.45 | dpkg | verse: (Daily Devotional Verse from KJV Bible), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.22.3 (sarge), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 18:48.51 | DuckInWater | how can i set environment variables and can they use ~/ ? |
| 18:49.00 | sin | takatumi: nothing yet, i would just like to try to use dselect but i notice i cannot use it to install 1 package. it tries to install 100 and I dont want these packages installed |
| 18:49.02 | blondie_ | they can use $HOME? |
| 18:49.03 | greycat | DuckInWater: edit your dot files, and maybe. |
| 18:49.05 | Ward | There seems to be a problem with the latest nagios-mysql (backport), any idea whether I can find the old package somewhere? |
| 18:49.12 | takatumi | Myren: I don't see how it would benefit an old ATI card, but then I might be mistaken. |
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| 18:49.15 | greycat | $HOME is safe in everything except /etc/environment (bastards) |
| 18:49.17 | asg | Ward: from wherever you got your backport |
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| 18:49.39 | Ward | asg: negative ;( |
| 18:49.41 | takatumi | sin: you talkin to me? hmmm, you talkin to me? |
| 18:49.41 | DuckInWater | edit my dot files? |
| 18:49.41 | greycat | dpkg, verse =~ s/the verse/a Debian package which gives you a verse/ |
| 18:49.42 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 18:49.44 | greycat | !verse |
| 18:49.44 | dpkg | i heard verse is a Debian package which gives you a verse of the bibles every day a new one, from the king james |
| 18:49.44 | sin | takatumi I would like dselect to accurately reflect what has been installed on my system with apt |
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| 18:49.53 | asg | Ward: then don't use backports since they aren't offically supported. |
| 18:49.57 | greycat | now *that* is at least somewhat descriptive. |
| 18:49.59 | Midkniht | couldnt find kernel-image-2.2.20 |
| 18:50.10 | greycat | !find kernel-image-2.2.20 woody |
| 18:50.12 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.2.20' (4 shown): kernel-image-2.2.20 ;; kernel-image-2.2.20-compact ;; kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci ;; kernel-image-2.2.20-reiserfs. |
| 18:50.27 | ricky_clarkson | Midkniht: Maybe you were trying to find it with a hammer. |
| 18:50.34 | baronsamedi | are there any jdk1.5.0's available for debian? I can only find blackdown etc., if I need to work with 1.5, should I just use SUN's installer? |
| 18:50.39 | DuckInWater | i am confused now |
| 18:50.44 | greycat | baronsamedi: /msg dpkg install java |
| 18:50.47 | takatumi | sin: I don't use dselect, either aptitude or just apt-get and apt-cache. |
| 18:50.50 | baronsamedi | greycat, thanks |
| 18:50.53 | ricky_clarkson | baronsamedi: java-package |
| 18:51.16 | asg | oops, Canada fell of the earth |
| 18:51.19 | greycat | DuckInWater: I *really* need to write a document that describes how processes and logins and environments and ulimits and so on work in Unix, but with our Wiki-FAQ having been subverted by spammers, it'll have to wait. |
| 18:51.25 | baronsamedi | ahh, brilliant, just what I need ^_^ |
| 18:51.26 | netsurfer | asg - no such luck ;) |
| 18:51.36 | wcs | Hello, somebody created a file on my server in a user writeable public partition that I'm unable to delete. In fact just listing the driectory shows this ls: WRC_BS???e??_.avi: No such file or directory |
| 18:51.37 | greycat | asg: NO! That's our last hope! |
| 18:51.45 | hklinkma | no one is able to help me? |
| 18:51.45 | wcs | any one have any clue how to delete it |
| 18:51.49 | greycat | asg: New Zealand is too damned far from Ohio! |
| 18:51.49 | chealer | asg: I'm still here :) |
| 18:52.00 | asg | greycat: ah, for some values of $CANADA then |
| 18:52.11 | jethro | blame canada! |
| 18:52.11 | DuckInWater | greycat what do you mean by editing my dot files? somebody told me i should set IRC_SERVERS_FILE and i am wondering how |
| 18:52.16 | asg | greycat: my cousin lives in NZ and it's still too far from NC also. |
| 18:52.25 | greycat | DuckInWater: how do you login? text console? ssh? gdm? xdm? kdm? |
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| 18:52.34 | DuckInWater | ssh |
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| 18:52.44 | greycat | DuckInWater: then you probably want to use ~/.bash_profile |
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| 18:52.57 | DuckInWater | ok thanks |
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| 18:53.09 | JestriK | Hi, |
| 18:53.35 | greycat | wcs: "ls -b" is your friend. |
| 18:53.46 | asg | greycat: can't even find good prices to Malaga w/o going through a Microsoft Maps tour of the earth first. |
| 18:54.07 | jethro | greycat: any idea how I could login on a text console, startx, keep ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the server and still be safe if I lock my X and walk away from the laptop? ie: no one can access the shell which started X |
| 18:54.22 | greycat | jethro: I use "exec startx >startx.log 2>&1" |
| 18:54.23 | asg | jethro: xlock |
| 18:54.33 | jethro | then leave the shell? |
| 18:54.36 | wcs | greycat same output |
| 18:54.38 | greycat | jethro: exec KILLS the shell. |
| 18:54.38 | npx | jethro... log out after your stop X? |
| 18:54.40 | greycat | there is no shell. |
| 18:54.42 | jethro | cool |
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| 18:54.44 | Rawplayer | hello, i have a ps/2 to USB adapter so that i can connect a ps2 mouse or keyboard to a usb port should i install some special stuff for that or is normal usb support enough? |
| 18:54.57 | takatumi | msn search for the worst operating system still lists various versions of microsoft among the first few hits. are they being nice? |
| 18:55.00 | greycat | wcs: so it has literal question marks in it, and not high-ASCII characters that were simply rendered as question marks? |
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| 18:55.04 | jethro | npx: I mean to keep X and lock it with xlock but prevent anyone from being able to access the login shell (text console) |
| 18:55.14 | jethro | greycat: thanks a lot for the tip greycat |
| 18:55.17 | DuckInWater | greycat so i pico ~/.bash_profile and put IRC_SERVERS_FILE blahblah.txt? |
| 18:55.22 | greycat | jethro: you're welcome jethroi |
| 18:55.25 | greycat | s/i$// |
| 18:55.28 | xenoduck | wcs: rm WRC* |
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| 18:55.40 | greycat | DuckInWater: "export IRC_SERVERS_FILE=blahblah.txt" |
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| 18:55.59 | asg | jethro: supposedly, xlock has an option to prevent vt switching while locked but, as of yesterday on my sid box, it doesn't work :/ |
| 18:55.59 | mrwoody | Hi *. In the last few days, my debian box is using a lot of cpu. According to `top`, it is used by system (average of 80%). How to understand what is going on/ |
| 18:56.00 | greycat | DuckInWater: without the quotes, of course |
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| 18:56.11 | DuckInWater | thanks you are great |
| 18:56.18 | jethro | asg: I d better use greycat's tip then ;) |
| 18:56.18 | wcs | greycat just listing the directory it prints that out. |
| 18:56.27 | asg | mrwoody: what, in top, is using 80% then? |
| 18:56.30 | asg | jethro: hehe, right |
| 18:56.45 | wcs | greycat Those I assume are forgein characters, perhaps remounting it rear write |
| 18:56.46 | JestriK | I have an IT8212 pci raid card, i have downloaded the modules off the company's site, and it has instruction for all the different distro's modules, except for the debian module. it has an iteraid.o and iteraid.smp. I have searched on google but cannot find anything, as it just returns stuff about dual processors. I just need to know what to do with these files. I assumed it would just be insmod iteraid.o but it says it's |
| 18:56.46 | JestriK | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.57 | mrwoody | asg: it doesn't show... noone of the application is using more than 5% |
| 18:57.43 | wcs | xenoduck if it was that easy I wouldn't be asking ehre |
| 18:57.43 | greycat | wcs: "ls -b" would *show* you the actual characters if they aren't question marks. That's the whole point. |
| 18:57.43 | mrwoody | Cpu(s): 14.2% user, 79.8% system, 0.0% nice, 6.0% idle |
| 18:57.43 | DuckInWater | =$HOME/.servers should work right? |
| 18:57.43 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.43 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.43 | wcs | greycat you in flood |
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| 18:57.44 | greycat | DuckInWater: yes |
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| 18:57.44 | asg | mrwoody: then sort top by runtime and see what's using the most cputime. Chances are, that's your culprit. |
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| 18:57.49 | mrwoody | asg: culprit? |
| 18:57.58 | greycat | maybe he's got 20 processes each using 5%. |
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| 18:58.06 | mrwoody | greycat: nope... |
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| 18:58.30 | mrwoody | greycat: wouldn't be that used by user? what i get is Cpu(s): 22.5% user, 48.6% system, 0.0% nice, 28.9% idle |
| 18:58.41 | greycat | mrwoody: you need to show us some *details* |
| 18:58.51 | mrwoody | greycat: where can I past? |
| 18:58.54 | greycat | !paste |
| 18:58.54 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 18:58.57 | takatumi | JestriK: you probably need to get the source files for those modules and compile against your running kernel with module-assistant |
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| 18:59.09 | mrwoody | greycat: are you in #flood? |
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| 18:59.48 | wcs | greycat if you check flood you can see what Im talking about... |
| 19:00.05 | DuckInWater | that didn't create a .bash_profile file, is that still ok? |
| 19:00.12 | greycat | DuckInWater: ls -a |
| 19:00.20 | DuckInWater | yep it wasn't there |
| 19:00.27 | greycat | DuckInWater: are you on Debian? |
| 19:00.36 | JestriK | takatumi, I tried compiling, but i didn't have the source, if i download the source, i guess it won't be the same as the kernel i'm running? therefore need to re-compile the kernel? |
| 19:00.42 | Doc- | Hey... anyone know where i could find a .deb for an older wine version? |
| 19:00.43 | DuckInWater | yea |
| 19:00.47 | greycat | Doc-: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 19:00.48 | DuckInWater | but i am in screen too |
| 19:00.50 | DuckInWater | does that matter? |
| 19:01.01 | greycat | DuckInWater: being in screen doesn't change the contents of your $HOME directory |
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| 19:01.16 | Doc- | Thanks greycat :P |
| 19:01.24 | takatumi | JestriK: the kernel-headers might work, module-assistant with take care of that. |
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| 19:01.36 | DuckInWater | there is .bash_history .ircrc .screen .screenrc and .servers thats all the dot files there are |
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| 19:01.58 | greycat | DuckInWater: well, .bash_history being present means you ran bash at one point, so that's a good sign. |
| 19:02.06 | greycat | DuckInWater: go ahead and make .bash_profile and see how it goes. |
| 19:02.09 | JestriK | takatumi, okay, i'll go and read about module-assistant (i'm knew to debian, i usally use slack or gentoo) thanks for your help! |
| 19:02.14 | JestriK | *new |
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| 19:02.41 | DuckInWater | echo $SHELL returns /bin/bash |
| 19:02.49 | ideafix | what do you think about novel ill it help gnu/linux ? |
| 19:02.51 | DuckInWater | i created that file |
| 19:02.56 | takatumi | JestriK: apt-get install debian-reference, read the #debian faq |
| 19:03.10 | ideafix | what do you think about novel will it help gnu/linux ? |
| 19:03.28 | greycat | you mean Novell? |
| 19:04.26 | ideafix | yes |
| 19:04.28 | takatumi | asg: would it then be possible to log errors? |
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| 19:04.34 | DuckInWater | greycat i did all the exports again but its still empty |
| 19:04.34 | CoolCat__ | hi |
| 19:04.35 | ideafix | is ther another one ? |
| 19:04.42 | greycat | DuckInWater: did you *save* it? |
| 19:04.50 | greycat | DuckInWater: were you in the right place when you ran the editor? |
| 19:04.56 | DuckInWater | yea |
| 19:04.56 | asg | takatumi: you can do that now, and I was being sarcastic. |
| 19:05.02 | DuckInWater | its there its just empty |
| 19:05.11 | greycat | DuckInWater: are you over quota? is the /home file system full? |
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| 19:05.36 | DuckInWater | nope |
| 19:05.41 | takatumi | asg: maybe I was too :) |
| 19:05.46 | asg | takatumi: ;) |
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| 19:05.56 | CoolCat__ | i once (using kurumin3.0 or knoppix, doesnt recall) was able to view .cdr,.ai,.eps in konqueror, but cant anymore in kurumin4.0 , anyone know what to apt-get to add this support? |
| 19:06.02 | greycat | DuckInWater: if you type "echo foo >> testing", does testing get the word foo in it? |
| 19:06.09 | asg | CoolCat__: #debian-kde |
| 19:06.24 | CoolCat__ | asg im debian-kde issue... |
| 19:06.40 | ere | I need to synchronize the clocks of 4 hosts on a LAN that has no Internet connection (the clocks does not need to be synchronized with real time, just realtive to the other hosts) what kind of setup should I have? so far I have inestalled ntp-server on all hosts and picked one as the "master" (and added that host to the others ntp.conf) is that an suitable setup? any pitfalls/issues I should be aware of? |
| 19:06.41 | CoolCat__ | both are debian kde based distros! ;o) |
| 19:06.45 | takatumi | CoolCat__: why not just use debian, things might work differently in kurumin. |
| 19:06.49 | asg | CoolCat__: I meant #debian-kde the irc channel |
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| 19:07.13 | greycat | ere: that's basically all you can do without buying more hardware or getting them an internet connection |
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| 19:07.26 | DuckInWater | did the root screw something up maybe? |
| 19:07.28 | CoolCat__ | well, i thought the features was the same, independant of how things are in layout, isnt it? |
| 19:07.40 | ere | greycat: okay, then I'll keep that setup as it is |
| 19:07.44 | greycat | ere: you might look into adjtimex to keep the master from drifting as badly, but it'll involve some effort |
| 19:08.07 | CoolCat__ | (ops, now i saw the topic) =o/ |
| 19:08.13 | tatoo | how can i do to install that "transparency" console on my gnome? |
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| 19:08.32 | ere | greycat: okay, thanks |
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| 19:09.10 | CoolCat__ | well, i can ask other way, is the debian-kde support .cdr,.ar,.eps ... files preview in konqueror? |
| 19:09.15 | supaman | isnt aterm the ones who do transparant backgrounds? |
| 19:09.17 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 19:09.22 | greycat | CoolCat__: try it and find out... |
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| 19:09.29 | abrotman | oh .. never mind |
| 19:09.31 | Phated | Eterm does transparency too. |
| 19:09.32 | greycat | supaman: one of 'em, I think |
| 19:09.35 | CoolCat__ | green_earz, thankz a lot bro! =o) |
| 19:09.45 | directhex | none of them do transparency |
| 19:09.47 | CoolCat__ | * greycat |
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| 19:09.50 | directhex | they do "transparency" |
| 19:09.51 | supaman | tatoo: try the aterm package ... not sure about it though |
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| 19:10.15 | directhex | i.e. take a photo of the root window, and show a segment of it, with bad choppiness & lagginess if you drag the window about |
| 19:10.17 | valdyn | tatoo: why not try gnome-terminal? |
| 19:10.30 | davi | Does bttv works on Linux kernel 2.6.8 ? |
| 19:10.30 | DuckInWater | greycat did the root screw something up maybe? or should it work no matter what |
| 19:10.34 | dfinn | the built in gnome-terminal appears to be able to do it |
| 19:10.34 | mrwoody | I am quite sure that the sum of the cpu% of each application is not equal to the total CPU % |
| 19:10.36 | Midkniht | how do you install a .deb file ? |
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| 19:10.42 | greycat | Midkniht: man dpkg |
| 19:10.48 | dfinn | dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 19:10.52 | dpkg | I don't know. Is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:10.52 | mrwoody | how to understand what happened to the rest? |
| 19:10.53 | Midkniht | thanx |
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| 19:11.22 | mrwoody | !paste |
| 19:11.22 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 19:11.29 | Midkniht | so kernel-image-2.2.20 comes with modules correct? |
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| 19:11.55 | dfinn | kernel images do include modules |
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| 19:12.12 | takatumi | Midkniht: fuck man, you have been installing 2.2.20 for the past hour or so. |
| 19:12.19 | Rawplayer | how can i get a ps/2 to usb adapter working to use ps/2 on a usb port? |
| 19:12.31 | pla^net | hi guys does anyone happen to know an interesting networking/firewalling/security chan? :) |
| 19:12.38 | dfinn | i just got a new nokia 6620 that runs the symbian OS. does anybody else have this phone or a similar one and use any apps on debian to transfer to/from phone? |
| 19:12.45 | asg | pla^net: #iptables |
| 19:12.49 | pla^net | thx asg |
| 19:12.52 | takatumi | pla^net: #iptables or install firehol. |
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| 19:12.57 | pla^net | hey dfinn u mean 6630? |
| 19:13.03 | dfinn | nope, 6620 |
| 19:13.12 | pla^net | ah ;) |
| 19:13.12 | dfinn | very nice phone |
| 19:13.15 | pla^net | got the 6630 |
| 19:13.21 | pla^net | its the best =P |
| 19:13.25 | pla^net | thx taka |
| 19:13.28 | takatumi | <-- 6800 |
| 19:13.38 | pla^net | what du u mean by installing firehol? |
| 19:13.38 | asg | mrwoody: run 'vmstat 5' for a few minutes and paste one of the last lines it shows |
| 19:13.45 | dfinn | nice, any of you guys have any linux apps working with the phones? |
| 19:13.53 | jethro | !u |
| 19:13.54 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 19:14.03 | takatumi | pla^net: apt-cache show firehol |
| 19:14.21 | asg | dfinn: my phone barely managed to call people properly let alone run linux apps ;) |
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| 19:14.24 | zomtec | hi |
| 19:14.27 | pla^net | got to check that out :) |
| 19:14.28 | Midkniht | takatume> im at work, so i keep going back and forth, im notjust doing this |
| 19:14.34 | zomtec | how can I read out the processor temperature? |
| 19:14.45 | asg | zomtec: acpi -t (if you use acpi) |
| 19:14.50 | takatumi | Midkniht: jack of all, master of none. |
| 19:15.15 | pla^net | dfinn: havent played around with the phone and linux a lot yet |
| 19:15.39 | asg | pla^net: hehe |
| 19:15.46 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: -i (.*?) =~ s/<reply> I don't know. Is it larger than a breadbox?/<action> installs $1 into $nick's (head|ear|brain|nostril|anus) with (a screwdriver|a hammer|a jackhammer|a drill)/ |
| 19:15.46 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 19:15.47 | Midkniht | takatumi> as long as my name is in the books about nix systems administration not much i care what others say |
| 19:15.52 | pla^net | but du u know wether there is a command line application for symbian? |
| 19:15.53 | greycat | dpkg -i screen |
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| 19:16.28 | takatumi | Midkniht: in which books? |
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| 19:16.31 | pla^net | there is something similar for the communicator series I think |
| 19:16.50 | pla^net | what was the name again damn i m too high ;) |
| 19:16.51 | DuckInWater | greycat ? |
| 19:16.51 | Midkniht | Prentice Hall> Linux Developers Series |
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| 19:17.27 | asg | Midkniht: the light saber series? |
| 19:17.34 | takatumi | greycat: the only thing missing in that factoid is a period at the end. |
| 19:17.37 | pla^net | hmm :) |
| 19:17.50 | zomtec | zomtec@uboot:[~]$ acpi -t |
| 19:17.50 | zomtec | No support for device type: thermal |
| 19:18.01 | asg | zomtec: modprobe thermal ; acpi -t |
| 19:18.07 | greycat | takatumi: stylistic... |
| 19:18.16 | asg | zomtec: if that works, you might as well install acpid |
| 19:18.32 | greycat | takatumi: also, it's missing a reference to small furry animals |
| 19:18.49 | takatumi | greycat: leave that to the boofoomasta. |
| 19:18.51 | supaman | squirrels |
| 19:18.57 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: -i (.*?) =~ s/brain/brain|dead badger/ |
| 19:18.57 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 19:19.07 | greycat | there, that should meet the /. standard of factoid excellence |
| 19:19.22 | DuckInWater | :( |
| 19:19.29 | takatumi | !greycat++ |
| 19:20.02 | dark_light | what package have the "import" command? |
| 19:20.38 | asg | dark_light: imagemagick |
| 19:20.38 | POVaddct | dark_light: imagemagick |
| 19:20.38 | zomtec | asg: i have installed acpid and loaded the modules acpi, thermal, processor, fan |
| 19:20.38 | greycat | dark_light: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:20.39 | asg | zomtec: and acpi -t still says the same thing? |
| 19:20.44 | takatumi | lost out for the k |
| 19:20.53 | zomtec | yes |
| 19:21.00 | zomtec | else I would not complain :) |
| 19:21.07 | dark_light | thanks:) |
| 19:21.12 | takatumi | zomtec: check dmesg for acpi errors. |
| 19:21.23 | asg | zomtec: then your acpi bios and the kernel don't see eye to eye |
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| 19:22.02 | asg | zomtec: you might try acpi.sourceforge.net for other ideas or tuxmobile.org for other users of your system and any things they had to do. |
| 19:22.37 | DuckInWater | well does anyone else know why my ./bash_profile doesn't work then? |
| 19:22.38 | bactis | zomtec i have the same problem acpi is not working on my laptop, the guys here said to me that i should rercompile the kernel with acpi support http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html here is a manual how to recompile the kernel |
| 19:22.44 | Albacker | guys, I've just installed debian woody at my home PC [i used suse before]. how do i install kppp [it is in the cds] !!, I'm not at home atm. I couldnt access the internet. |
| 19:22.49 | greycat | DuckInWater: because it's supposed to be ~/.bash_profile not ./bash_profile |
| 19:22.58 | Midkniht | apt-get install kppp |
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| 19:22.59 | Midkniht | ? |
| 19:23.13 | asg | !info kppp woody |
| 19:23.15 | greycat | Albacker: insert cd; type "apt-cdrom add"; repeat. |
| 19:23.16 | dpkg | kppp: (PPP dialer for KDE), section net, is optional. Version: 4:2.2.2-14.6 (woody), Packaged size: 493 kB, Installed size: 2876 kB |
| 19:23.21 | takatumi | bactis: acpi is enabled in most new kernels as modules. |
| 19:23.25 | dark_light | i have the imagemagic package but when i type import i get a bash: import: command not found |
| 19:23.39 | dark_light | and there is no man import |
| 19:23.40 | takatumi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:23.48 | Midkniht | red hat sucks |
| 19:23.49 | greycat | !find bin/import$ sarge |
| 19:23.53 | zomtec | bactis: i will try |
| 19:23.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/import' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/import) in graphics/imagemagick. |
| 19:23.59 | bactis | i have the latest kernel i think, how can i enable these modules? |
| 19:24.00 | Midkniht | they take credit for about everything GNU |
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| 19:24.06 | DuckInWater | greycat thats what i meant i opened the file in pico and saved it and did the export again and it's still empty |
| 19:24.13 | mrwoody | asg: this is one line |
| 19:24.14 | scorphus | hello, since last dist-upgrade my sound stop working, what might be worng? |
| 19:24.15 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.19 | dark_light | it's imagemagick.. ahn.. |
| 19:24.21 | greycat | DuckInWater: did "echo foo >> testing" work? |
| 19:24.40 | asg | mrwoody: something is spending too much time in the kernel (and it isn't I/O) |
| 19:24.53 | mrwoody | asg: how do you know it is not I/O? |
| 19:25.01 | greycat | mrwoody: the headers... |
| 19:25.03 | asg | mrwoody: the '9' would be higher otherwise |
| 19:25.06 | takatumi | bactis: lsmod will show you what modules are loaded, if you have errors in acpi, try disabling apm, or if all else fails re-compile with acpi static. |
| 19:25.08 | valdyn | + |
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| 19:25.19 | DuckInWater | greycat yep |
| 19:25.19 | mrwoody | asg: it happens usually after I use hd or cd intensively |
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| 19:25.36 | mrwoody | asg: so how can I find out more? |
| 19:25.43 | asg | mrwoody: anything odd in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/kern.log ? |
| 19:25.49 | mrwoody | asg: I didn't compile the kernel lately. But I upgraded debian |
| 19:25.51 | greycat | DuckInWater: well then, do this: echo 'export IRC_WHATEVER=$HOME/.server' >> ~/.bash_profile |
| 19:26.09 | greycat | DuckInWater: I've forgotten the exact variable name you wanted |
| 19:26.40 | greycat | (who wants to bet he's got 7 stopped pico jobs now, from hitting his ^Z key?) |
| 19:26.44 | mrwoody | asg: a lot of Feb 1 11:23:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[9812]: (jffnms) CMD (cd $JFFNMS && php4 -q consolidate.php >/dev/null 2>&1) |
| 19:26.50 | Midkniht | ok so i got 2.2.20 kernel on Sarge now, and its booted, but I have lost my eth0 and still have no sound, but X works again |
| 19:26.55 | takatumi | bactis: check for errors with dmesg |less |
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| 19:27.16 | greycat | Midkniht: what NIC? |
| 19:27.20 | asg | mrwoody: nothing besides those? |
| 19:27.26 | nite613 | How do I purge a package and everything that depends on it? Like, I want to dpkg --purge xlibs and have it remove everything KDE related since it's all in the dependency chain |
| 19:27.27 | DuckInWater | that worked thanks |
| 19:27.34 | greycat | nite613: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 19:27.38 | greycat | nite613: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 19:27.43 | tarzeau | nite613: you don't like kde, eh? |
| 19:27.48 | mrwoody | asg: nothing very unusual... but it is true that lately I played a lot wth php and stuff like that |
| 19:27.49 | nite613 | kde was an example, actually |
| 19:27.55 | greycat | nite613: there is no generic way. |
| 19:28.01 | asg | mrwoody: are there any php process still running? |
| 19:28.02 | mrwoody | asg: could it be the reason? but why top doesn't show anything |
| 19:28.03 | nite613 | crappy, okay thanks |
| 19:28.13 | mrwoody | asg: nope |
| 19:28.37 | greycat | nite613: "apt-get install x-window-system" and "apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common" are opposites, but you wouldn't know that without examining the dependency tree yourself. |
| 19:28.38 | mrwoody | asg: according to top the only thing that is using more than 1% of cpu is Xfree |
| 19:28.46 | DuckInWater | its suppose to have the export infront of the blah=blah in the ~/.bash_profile? |
| 19:29.00 | greycat | DuckInWater: Get a Unix book. NOW. |
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| 19:29.05 | nite613 | greycat: Thanks, that helps somewhat |
| 19:29.07 | asg | mrwoody: does anything appear have a TIME+ in the hours? |
| 19:29.12 | valdyn | mrwoody: which top is that? some "top" like programs or old "top" dont show everything |
| 19:29.29 | valdyn | mrwoody: at least if you use kernel 2.6.x |
| 19:29.31 | DuckInWater | sorry :( |
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| 19:29.48 | asg | mrwoody: or at least the high minutes |
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| 19:30.13 | mrwoody | valdyn: version 3.2.4 |
| 19:30.26 | mrwoody | valdyn: but I am using kernel 2.4 anyway |
| 19:30.38 | valdyn | mrwoody: alright, nm then |
| 19:30.40 | bactis | acpi: subsystem revision 20040326 and acpi: interpreter disabled says |
| 19:30.41 | greycat | DuckInWater: just for potential PAL purposes, can you type "jobs" for me and let me know if it produces any output? |
| 19:30.44 | mrwoody | asg: only XFree86 |
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| 19:31.10 | asg | mrwoody: and if you restart X, do things improve ? |
| 19:31.13 | DuckInWater | nope no output |
| 19:31.16 | DuckInWater | just a new line |
| 19:31.17 | bactis | maybe i only have to enable the acpi interpreter |
| 19:31.19 | greycat | ok |
| 19:31.20 | mrwoody | asg: I just rebooted |
| 19:31.36 | greycat | DuckInWater: is pico the *only* editor you know how to use? maybe your pico is broken. |
| 19:31.37 | asg | mrwoody: then kill X and see if you are still seeing those symptoms |
| 19:31.42 | takatumi | bactis: no, anything else? anything apm related? |
| 19:31.47 | DuckInWater | i can use vi |
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| 19:31.52 | sussudio | http://www.wildlink.org/cam2_a2400_00002.jpg < badgerrr |
| 19:32.11 | mrwoody | asg: the problem is that it doesn't happen all the time |
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| 19:32.26 | Midkniht | de2104x PCI Ethernet driver v0.7 (Mar 17, 2004) |
| 19:32.27 | mrwoody | asg: I just killed apache... and at the moment I don't see it... but i am not sure if it is because of that |
| 19:32.29 | Midkniht | de2104x PCI Ethernet driver v0.7 (Mar 17, 2004) |
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| 19:33.05 | asg | mrwoody: if the symptoms have gone away after killing apache, see if there is anything /var/log/apache/* that is interesting. |
| 19:33.07 | mrwoody | asg: let me stay without apache for a while... do you think it is possible that the cpu was taken by the apache? |
| 19:33.17 | Midkniht | de2104x PCI ether driver |
| 19:33.21 | mrwoody | asg: but why top didn't show anything? |
| 19:33.25 | Midkniht | argh |
| 19:33.27 | Midkniht | sorry |
| 19:33.29 | bactis | ACPI: RSDP (v000 PTLTD ) @ 0x000f7710 ACPI: RSDT (v001 SONY K5 0x06040000 LTP 0x00000000) @ 0x0fef9a51 ACPI: FADT (v001 SONY K5 0x06040000 PTL_ 0x000f4240) @ 0x0fefee4c ACPI: BOOT (v001 PTLTD $SBFTBL$ 0x06040000 LTP 0x00000001) @ 0x0fefeec0 |
| 19:33.29 | bactis | ACPI: SSDT (v001 PTLTD POWERNOW 0x06040000 LTP 0x00000001) @ 0x0fefeee8 ACPI: DSDT (v001 SONY K5 0x06040000 MSFT 0x0100000d) @ 0x00000000 |
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| 19:33.51 | asg | mrwoody: a lot of apache processes taking very little individual time perhaps. |
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| 19:34.20 | ideafix | is there a way to log the command lsof for a pre determined amount of time ? |
| 19:34.23 | mrwoody | asg: nothing unusual in /var/log/apache |
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| 19:34.34 | mrwoody | asg: there were only 6 |
| 19:34.41 | asg | mrwoody: okay |
| 19:34.41 | Midkniht | ok so i got 2.2.20 kernel on Sarge now, and its booted, but I have lost my eth0 and still have no sound, but X works again |
| 19:34.47 | greycat | Midkniht: what NIC? |
| 19:34.51 | bactis | i dont see any lines which contain apm |
| 19:34.53 | mrwoody | asg: anyway at the moment it seems to be fine |
| 19:34.53 | Midkniht | de2104x PCI ether driver |
| 19:34.54 | _axel | hi, how can i remove a package's config file after having removed the package itself? i'm trying apt-get remove --purge bla but it says the package is not installed (doh) |
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| 19:35.00 | mrwoody | asg: let me try a bit more |
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| 19:35.10 | greycat | Midkniht: try "modprobe tulip && echo tulip >> /etc/modules" |
| 19:35.15 | greycat | Midkniht: then see if "ifconfig -a" shows eth0 |
| 19:35.21 | takatumi | bactis: do you have any info in /proc/acpi/? |
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| 19:35.29 | asg | mrwoody: if you track down which process is causing it, use 'strace -p <pid>' to have a look at what it is doing. |
| 19:35.30 | neom | It's installing boys. :D |
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| 19:35.57 | bactis | no it says data or folder not found |
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| 19:36.19 | mrwoody | asg: ok. Thanks... I try to keep it like this for a while (without apache) |
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| 19:36.32 | asg | mrwoody: okay |
| 19:36.33 | mrwoody | asg: I did upgrade to apache2 lately... I wonder if that is the reason |
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| 19:36.37 | Midkniht | yes its there |
| 19:36.39 | mrwoody | asg: thanks for your help |
| 19:36.40 | asg | mrwoody: quite possibly |
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| 19:36.43 | asg | mrwoody: you're welcome |
| 19:36.51 | greycat | Midkniht: good, now you have eth0. /msg dpkg sound |
| 19:36.53 | bactis | but there is an apm folder in /proc/ |
| 19:36.54 | takatumi | bactis: hmm yeah, try recompiling, select acpi static, use make-kpkg. |
| 19:36.56 | nvzn | hi, how do i make sure that init 1 stays on serial console? |
| 19:37.09 | mrwoody | asg: but I am still surprised that there is no way to find that out with top |
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| 19:37.32 | greycat | mrwoody: if a process is incredibly short-lived, it'll eat resources but won't stick around long enough for top to see it.... |
| 19:37.41 | takatumi | bactis: dunno why that would be there if you don't have anything in dmesg. |
| 19:37.49 | asg | mrwoody: you might have to run top in a higher resolution to see such things (but that would contribute more load) |
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| 19:38.18 | davfr | hi :o) |
| 19:38.42 | umfufu | how do I install a new harddrive? It's physically connected and detected by debian, but how to I format it? |
| 19:38.54 | greycat | umfufu: cfdisk, reboot if needed, mkfs.* |
| 19:38.55 | mrwoody | asg: high resolution? |
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| 19:39.08 | asg | mrwoody: top is polling every second |
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| 19:39.18 | mrwoody | greycat: so is there a way to track process with short life? |
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| 19:39.23 | greycat | every 5 seconds by default |
| 19:39.26 | mrwoody | asg: decrease the time? |
| 19:39.27 | bobgray | anyone know where i can get a debian netscape 4 package? |
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| 19:39.40 | asg | greycat: sid's manpage says 3 |
| 19:39.43 | greycat | mrwoody: get lucky and catch one of 'em with top/ps, or track it down by educated guesswork |
| 19:39.51 | greycat | asg: ah, ok. |
| 19:40.01 | asg | greycat: I was wrong either way :) |
| 19:40.05 | greycat | it's 5 seconds in woody |
| 19:40.17 | fusibou | umfufu find the device in /dev (ie. /dev/hdb) run fdisk on it and look at the partitions (ie. p for print) then if it's the right hard disk, create your partitions and exit; then run makefs to put the filesystem on; then add to /etc/fstab for mounting; see aplicable man pages |
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| 19:40.25 | bactis | apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16) <- one line is there in dmesg |
| 19:40.30 | umfufu | not mkfs.ext2 or mkfs.ext3 ?? |
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| 19:40.40 | greycat | umfufu: whichever you want. |
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| 19:40.53 | umfufu | what the difference? |
| 19:40.58 | mrwoody | asg: I have the problem again... and it is not apache (now it is off) |
| 19:41.00 | asg | mrwoody: yes but top has to do a lot of work so if you make it poll more often, it will contribute to the machine load which may throw off what you are trying to measure. |
| 19:41.01 | greycat | one's ext2; the other's ext3. |
| 19:41.04 | takatumi | bactis: do you have apm enabled in the bios? |
| 19:41.15 | fusibou | umfufu ext3 uses journalling |
| 19:41.16 | davfr | Does someone know rkhunter? Is it efficient? will it be packaged for Debian ? |
| 19:41.22 | asg | mrwoody: well, I'd start stoping services to try to narrow down what is going on. |
| 19:41.23 | umfufu | greycat: yeps, but I don't know the difference |
| 19:41.27 | umfufu | mkfs = ext2 ? |
| 19:41.27 | quittt | what is the difference of Sid and Sarge? |
| 19:41.30 | nvzn | hi, how do i make sure that the init 1 shell is on serial console? |
| 19:41.36 | bactis | i dont know, i'm not able to go through tjhe bios, because of my dead original keyboard |
| 19:41.40 | takatumi | davfr: it's good, not packaged afaik |
| 19:41.44 | greycat | umfufu: google for "ext2 vs. ext3" or something similar. |
| 19:41.45 | mrwoody | asg: so no way to use top with a very short update time? |
| 19:41.59 | greycat | mrwoody: man top |
| 19:42.04 | davfr | takatumi : thanks |
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| 19:42.28 | bactis | maybe i should try to find more about acpi / apm stuff relating my bios with windows, which is running on another partition |
| 19:42.39 | aFlag | does anyone know about a good gui cvs client? |
| 19:42.41 | davfr | mrwoody : type "s 0.5", but if I were you I would check man top |
| 19:42.42 | mrwoody | greycat: asg it looks like XFree86 is using more than 50% of the cpu if I use a very short delay for top |
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| 19:42.50 | takatumi | bactis: won't help. |
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| 19:43.00 | mrwoody | davfr: I tried s 0.5 |
| 19:43.01 | bactis | :( |
| 19:43.10 | greycat | mrwoody: you could do it on a text console instead... |
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| 19:43.13 | asg | mrwoody: well, to be sure, stop X and see if the symptoms continue. |
| 19:43.55 | mrwoody | greycat: asg: ok... to do that i need to close here.... talk with you later.. and thanks |
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| 19:44.06 | davfr | mrwoody : I had this with Woody on a celeron 400 machine. No more with Sarge on an Athlon XP. Time to upgrade! |
| 19:44.15 | asg | mrwoody: you can use irssi-text in console for irc |
| 19:44.21 | greycat | and use screen. |
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| 19:44.51 | bactis | i give it a try with system monitoring tools in windows, i'm sure i find more informations there |
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| 19:45.13 | riddley | where can I download the cramfs patch ? |
| 19:45.36 | takatumi | riddley: which kernel? |
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| 19:45.45 | _axel | hi, how can i remove a package's config file after having removed the package itself? i'm trying apt-get remove --purge bla but it says the package is not installed (doh) |
| 19:45.48 | mrwoody | davfr: I have unstable on a Athlon |
| 19:45.56 | riddley | 2.6.10, but I'm willing to hand port if one's not available for it. |
| 19:46.01 | asg | _axel: dpkg -P <pkg> |
| 19:46.12 | takatumi | riddley: you don't need the patch with 2.6.10 |
| 19:46.34 | riddley | takatumi, weird. it doesn't seem to be working. |
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| 19:47.05 | takatumi | riddley: CONFIG_CRAMFS=y that's from a vanilla .10 |
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| 19:47.34 | takatumi | riddley: initrd? |
| 19:47.46 | riddley | takatumi, just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about the debian-only patch to make kernel-patch's '--initrd' flag work |
| 19:47.50 | riddley | yea |
| 19:48.22 | takatumi | riddley: haven't tried --initrd with .10 but I don't think you need it now. |
| 19:48.33 | Devi0s | why is mysql-4. package only at 4.1.8? |
| 19:48.35 | takatumi | riddley: the patch I mean. |
| 19:48.37 | riddley | takatumi, ok, I'll keep poking around. thanks for the tip. |
| 19:48.40 | takatumi | or initrd. |
| 19:48.42 | greycat | !info mysql-server sarge |
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| 19:48.56 | takatumi | riddley: if you are compiling, aim to lose the initrd. |
| 19:48.57 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.23-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 3556 kB, Installed size: 8612 kB |
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| 19:49.11 | asg | !info mysql-server-4.1 |
| 19:49.14 | asg | !info mysql-server-4.1 sarge |
| 19:49.16 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 14170 kB, Installed size: 30288 kB |
| 19:49.19 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.8a-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 14140 kB, Installed size: 30216 kB |
| 19:49.39 | Devi0s | wth? |
| 19:49.46 | riddley | takatumi, I can't. I have root in LVM(2). |
| 19:49.48 | greycat | 30 megs for the *engine*? pretty heavy. |
| 19:49.59 | Devi0s | ooooo |
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| 19:50.09 | Devi0s | what is the difference between sid and sarge? |
| 19:50.10 | asg | greycat: yeah, dunno why though |
| 19:50.17 | greycat | why is -4.1 30 megs, and normal (4.0) only 8? |
| 19:50.22 | takatumi | riddley: ah. I have mine on hda5 but not in LVM(2) |
| 19:50.24 | greycat | Devi0s: /msg dpkg sid |
| 19:50.24 | skr | hi all ... i would like to use the hd from a xbox for a debian system. the partition table is somehow unusable. do you know any tool which is able to delete the content "low level" ? |
| 19:50.46 | greycat | skr: fdisk |
| 19:51.18 | skr | greycat : didnt work, cfdisk and parted too |
| 19:51.56 | skr | takatumi, please read my question, its not the xbox but the hd i´m using |
| 19:51.56 | greycat | skr: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdwhatever bs=512 count=1 # ought to zero out the MBR and partition table |
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| 19:52.26 | skr | greycat, dd produces bad superblock errors |
| 19:52.35 | Kheldar^ | skr: unlocked the drive? |
| 19:52.50 | skr | Kheldar^, nope : how do i do this ? |
| 19:52.59 | greycat | dd produces *what*? |
| 19:53.02 | Kheldar^ | you need to since the harddrive is crypted, check any xbox webpage |
| 19:53.11 | zinx | dd doesn't know about superblocks... |
| 19:53.13 | skr | Kheldar^, ah thnx |
| 19:53.13 | Kheldar^ | its not enough to just wipe the data off it with dd |
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| 19:53.48 | skr | Kheldar^, well dd produces some error in context with bad superblock or somehting else |
| 19:54.05 | Kheldar^ | yep |
| 19:54.54 | Kheldar^ | http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/no-modchip-hdd-swap.php |
| 19:54.56 | Kheldar^ | google is ur friend |
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| 19:55.41 | skr | Kheldar^ : did so but all i found was doing this together with evox and so on, only have got the hd not more |
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| 19:56.05 | Kheldar^ | you *must* have that key |
| 19:56.13 | Kheldar^ | its some hardware issue |
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| 19:59.01 | takatumi | !news |
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| 19:59.16 | asg | takatumi: no news is good news with Gary Gnus. |
| 19:59.19 | greycat | I don't even think news *works* any more, let alone gets used. |
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| 19:59.25 | takatumi | :) |
| 19:59.37 | cire | is it possible to make cplay play wma files, or is there a plugin? |
| 20:00.12 | takatumi | would've been good if we could pull a the top headlines from news.google.com |
| 20:00.35 | takatumi | in moderation ofcourse. |
| 20:00.42 | asg | takatumi: 'Nepal King assumes power' ? |
| 20:01.06 | takatumi | asg: just an example, not necessarily that one. :) |
| 20:01.45 | asg | takatumi: you could always implement an irssi script to do it for you locally |
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| 20:02.07 | takatumi | asg: hmm, sounds interesting. |
| 20:02.44 | takatumi | asg: top gear xtra on bbc prime, rolls royce phantom being reviewed. |
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| 20:03.11 | asg | takatumi: no bbc prime here, unfortunately |
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| 20:04.29 | conor | is that a UK digital channel or some overseas thing? |
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| 20:04.51 | Di42lo` | how do i search packge with apt-get ? |
| 20:05.00 | vulture | Di42lo`: use apt-cache |
| 20:05.01 | greycat | Di42lo`: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:05.02 | asg | conor: dunno, I'm in the land of Real Journalism, Fake and Broken. |
| 20:05.08 | Di42lo` | thx both |
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| 20:05.22 | Tearran | does debian have synapic? |
| 20:05.37 | takatumi | conor: http://www.bbcprime.com/initial.aspx |
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| 20:06.07 | Tearran | err sanaptic |
| 20:06.18 | Tearran | bah synaptic |
| 20:06.27 | asg | Tearran: for i in woody sarge sid ; do /msg dpkg info synaptic $i ; done |
| 20:06.27 | takatumi | conor: the only thing watchable are the cooking shows and top gear. |
| 20:07.28 | asg | takatumi: they cook rolls royces? |
| 20:07.37 | supaman | very tasty |
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| 20:07.54 | asg | supaman: makes caviar look like a bar snack |
| 20:07.57 | takatumi | asg: dunked in a curry. |
| 20:08.09 | asg | takatumi: bah, haven't had a good curry in a while :( |
| 20:08.10 | supaman | asg: :-) |
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| 20:08.28 | takatumi | asg: make it yourself, real easy. |
| 20:08.48 | asg | takatumi: I know, just haven't made on in a while. |
| 20:08.48 | Tearran | thanks my problem was spelling |
| 20:08.55 | davi | The debian 2.6.8 kernel does not autodetect my TV card. I do not see the usual CARLIST parameters file at kernel-source-2.6.8/Documentation/video4linux/bttv/ I used to see it in the 2.4.x kernel. Has something changed about bttv from 2.4.x to 2.6.x kernels? |
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| 20:09.11 | asg | Tearran: if that's a problem you often have, the 'dict' package may prove useful. |
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| 20:09.21 | takatumi | asg: the first time I tried it, it just came out wonderful, even mum was surprised...heh |
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| 20:09.42 | Tearran | I do not have deb yet im looking into replacing FC |
| 20:09.42 | asg | takatumi: cool |
| 20:10.06 | takatumi | asg: and fucked up royally the second time ;-/ |
| 20:10.18 | master_of_master | hi, I made a huge mistake! I've made mkfs.ext3 to a reiserfs partition. But I need that data in that reiserfs partition. Is there any chance to recover that partition? |
| 20:10.39 | LoRez | master_of_master: restore from your backups? |
| 20:10.41 | takatumi | master_of_master: very masterly. |
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| 20:11.27 | master_of_master | LoRez: ther are no backups :-( |
| 20:11.31 | npx | master_of_master, no, you're more or less fucked |
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| 20:12.14 | greycat | if it's worth real money, take the disk to a data recovery company and expect to be charged a thousand dollars or so |
| 20:12.25 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 20:12.26 | dpkg | unix lessons is probably (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 20:12.51 | dondelelcaro | master_of_master: you may be able to get somewhere by copying off the data using dd, then attempting to sift through it to either mount it and or find the inodes with the data that you want |
| 20:12.51 | LoRez | master_of_master: I don't know what your options with reiser are, but if it was an ext2 fs you remade, you might be able to just recreate the superblocks and fsck it to get it to relink the files back into lost+found |
| 20:13.01 | Schumi_ | hi all and please help me |
| 20:13.03 | Schumi_ | debian:/etc# mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/D |
| 20:13.03 | Schumi_ | mount: error while guessing filesystem type |
| 20:13.03 | Schumi_ | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 20:13.14 | takatumi | remember seeing something in the kernel for media forensics, would that be the $1000 worth of stuff? |
| 20:13.19 | LoRez | Schumi_: first lesson, don't flood. |
| 20:13.34 | LoRez | takatumi: no. |
| 20:13.34 | dondelelcaro | Schumi_: read /topic, and then specify the filesystem. It's probably ntfs or vfat or something. |
| 20:13.41 | kenji | Schumi_: second lesson, read the message |
| 20:13.50 | nvz | I got this file out of place.. I should have another copy of it somewhere where it belongs.. though I cant figure out where that is.. how can I easily find a file identical to another file ? |
| 20:14.00 | sepski | master_of_master, first pof all dd the disk to another disk, that way you dont ruin you'r orginal drive with you'r recovery attempths, |
| 20:14.07 | njan | resiak, bullcrap it doesn't, reiser's broken three times for me in four times I've used it in the last few months :) |
| 20:14.07 | PerfDave | resiak: To be fair, I don't think we can blame ReiserFS for somebody formatting it ;) |
| 20:14.12 | greycat | nvz: guess and md5sum it. |
| 20:14.17 | nvz | heh |
| 20:14.32 | PerfDave | nvz: find / -exec md5sum and compare md5sums? |
| 20:14.32 | resiak | PerfDave: No, but we can blame ReiserFS for being shite any day :) |
| 20:14.38 | resiak | njan: Oh, whatever :) |
| 20:14.38 | PerfDave | nvz: Or just use filesize |
| 20:14.43 | nvz | if I found it I would know they are the same because the filename and filesize would be the same, I just dont know how to find it easily |
| 20:14.43 | greycat | it would be faster to compare sizes first |
| 20:14.52 | njan | resiak, <3 xfs :) |
| 20:14.58 | takatumi | resiak: have you personnaly had problems with reiserfs? |
| 20:14.58 | resiak | njan: Do you have a UPS?> |
| 20:15.08 | greycat | nvz: find /whatever -size ${n}c ... |
| 20:15.13 | takatumi | s/nn/n |
| 20:15.16 | njan | resiak, yes, it's called a laptop battery :) |
| 20:15.17 | takatumi | bah. |
| 20:15.22 | PerfDave | nvz: You're looking for a file with a known name? updatedb and locate :) |
| 20:15.29 | greycat | that too |
| 20:15.38 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: that assumes it's someone where updatedb searches, though... |
| 20:15.38 | resiak | takatumi: To be fair, no I haven't, but I've heard so many tales of gloom... |
| 20:15.42 | nvz | PerfDave: the filename is 13, it could find 1,000,000 of em |
| 20:15.42 | resiak | njan: Fair enough. |
| 20:15.49 | master_of_master | sepski: I don't have enough space. Is ist possible to gzip it and then try to manipulate the image through a gzip loop? |
| 20:15.56 | PerfDave | nvz: How many files do you have called 13? *boggle* |
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| 20:16.02 | clarence | ive set up a debian desktop a few times, but this time i also plan to use it for light server duties like private ftp and http, incoming and outgoing email, etc. Can anyone suggest good servers for those tasks? so far it seems like apache is "the" choice for http, but for ftp there are so many, ditto for mail. |
| 20:16.05 | nvz | PerfDave: they are all numbered |
| 20:16.06 | greycat | nvz: find /wherever -name 13 -size NNNNNc |
| 20:16.06 | njan | resiak, although in all seriousness, I'm responsible for the management of >=100 machines and only a few have UPS.. why? |
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| 20:16.16 | nvz | PerfDave: I dont know were this #13 came from |
| 20:16.19 | takatumi | resiak: been using reiserfs for close to a year, lucky me I guess. |
| 20:16.24 | RichiH | clarence: for ftp, you want vsftpd |
| 20:16.27 | resiak | njan: Because XFS aggressively caches data, with the assumption that you have a UPS. |
| 20:16.31 | brad_ | I have a question, How can i display all disks and partitions on my computer |
| 20:16.32 | dondelelcaro | njan: if you've got that many machines, you should have outlets that are specific to being powered by your UPS |
| 20:16.34 | brad_ | even ones that are NTFS |
| 20:16.38 | sepski | master_of_master, not if you realy value it, and if you dont want to spend another disk for it, then i guess the data wasn't _that_ valueable anyway |
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| 20:16.43 | RichiH | clarence: for mail, look into procmail and qmail and decide what you like better, i guess |
| 20:16.45 | clarence | brad_: *fdisk should do it |
| 20:16.46 | njan | dondelelcaro, they're not all in the same place :) |
| 20:16.47 | brad_ | What program can i use to display all hard disk and partition information |
| 20:16.48 | resiak | njan: IOW, stuff doesn't necessarily get written to disk for a _very_ long time. |
| 20:16.52 | npx | XFS is *fast* |
| 20:16.55 | PerfDave | clarence: You probably want exim for e-mail, if for no other reason than it's the default in Debian and easy to configure. |
| 20:16.56 | brad_ | it only shows this partition |
| 20:17.03 | valdyn | brad_: fdisk -l |
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| 20:17.04 | PerfDave | brad_: fdisk -l |
| 20:17.14 | dondelelcaro | njan: doesn't matter... if they're in the same physical building, a good building has outlets that are assigned to the ups and then the generator |
| 20:17.15 | resiak | npx: The caching I just mentioned is one major reason why. |
| 20:17.37 | resiak | takatumi: If it worksforyou, great! |
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| 20:17.58 | dondelelcaro | (course, most buildings tend to *SUCK*... but there's not much that can be done about htat.) |
| 20:17.59 | npx | I was really pleased with the way d-i allows you to use xfs/reiser/ext3 at install time |
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| 20:18.09 | npx | matter of factly, i was just really pleased with d-i! |
| 20:18.22 | resiak | njan: This, of course, matters if your computer loses power without warning. For what it's worth, I'm running it on a desktop without UPS, because I didn't RTFM before using it. |
| 20:18.22 | nvz | damn.. I should have done that a long time ago. |
| 20:18.26 | greycat | hell, *woody* lets you use ext2/ext3/reiser at install time. |
| 20:18.38 | npx | greycat, not with any of the install media I used |
| 20:18.40 | nvz | as it turns out there are only two files with that exact filesize |
| 20:18.41 | njan | resiak, that applies to other filing systems than XFS |
| 20:18.44 | greycat | npx: /msg dpkg bf24 |
| 20:18.54 | npx | ohh you had to use bf24 |
| 20:19.01 | resiak | njan: True. Examples? |
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| 20:19.04 | greycat | of course. 2.2.x kernels have no ext3 or reiser. |
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| 20:19.16 | njan | unless you fsync or O_SYNC, that applies to most (if not all) of the linux journalled filing systems afaik, resiak |
| 20:19.18 | npx | I never thought about that, lol |
| 20:19.22 | caphuso | 2.2 doesn't support any general purpose filesystems other than ext2 |
| 20:19.37 | greycat | and vfat and iso9660 |
| 20:19.38 | resiak | njan: All I know is that XFS was explicitly designed with the proviso that you have a UPS. |
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| 20:19.41 | njan | resiak, but I've never had any problems with xfs + powerloss (although admittedly, I think I've had ~3 powerlosses in the last year |
| 20:19.49 | bactis | how can i deinstall packages with apt? |
| 20:19.52 | caphuso | greycat: those aren't "general purpose" |
| 20:19.54 | greycat | bactis: man apt-get |
| 20:19.56 | resiak | njan: I'm largely repeating what I've heard. |
| 20:19.57 | njan | resiak, quite possible; I'm not an expert on the history of xfs :) |
| 20:20.22 | npx | resiak, I've had the same experience as njan - no problems with power loss (and I lose power every time it LOOKS like it's gonna rain) |
| 20:20.24 | njan | resiak, it's news to me, but I'm not surprised; I use it, but I'm hardly an expert. I certainly haven't seen anything about that in any of the source code or documentation I've read. |
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| 20:21.01 | resiak | njan, npx: Maybe I should just keep quiet about XFS in the future then :) |
| 20:21.07 | skr | Kheldar^, got a few infos howto "unlock" the xbox hd. am i right that i have to ask the owner of the xbox the hd originally belongs to for the 20 bytes key ? |
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| 20:22.24 | npx | resiak, you may be right - I'm pretty cautious about power outages, cuz they're so frequent here |
| 20:22.44 | npx | resiak, I usually shut almost everything down, save, etc |
| 20:22.52 | njan | npx, poor you.. I've had one power outage here in the last year which wasn't anything to do with me |
| 20:23.07 | resiak | npx: sync;sync;sync ? ;-) |
| 20:23.09 | njan | npx, one which was the result of someone tripping over, and one which was me intentionally testing UPS for systems :) |
| 20:23.23 | npx | heheh |
| 20:23.32 | npx | same thing happens with my directv |
| 20:23.37 | npx | if it rains, no TV. |
| 20:23.40 | greycat | resiak: I think you need to type it with <Enter> three times for the magic to work. ;-) |
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| 20:24.02 | njan | npx, and I think I have it bad in Scotland ;) |
| 20:24.12 | npx | haha southern indiana here |
| 20:24.23 | npx | it's like scotland, sans intelligent people and bagpipes |
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| 20:24.30 | greycat | haha |
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| 20:24.41 | greycat | and that Hoosier Haggic? |
| 20:24.43 | greycat | Haggis* |
| 20:24.45 | npx | hahaha |
| 20:24.46 | caphuso | urgh |
| 20:25.21 | clarence | ive got a rather old server-ish program that needs to be set up (somehow, this part i must learn) so that whenever email arrives the program is called with a cl parameter indicating the file the email is stored in. then the program will produce a reply email and use a script to send it (calling sendmail, in its current form). which mail server will this be easiest to adapt to? |
| 20:25.38 | resiak | greycat: I condensed it in the interests of channel spam :) |
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| 20:25.51 | asg | clarence: any that can deliver to procmail |
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| 20:26.16 | greycat | clarence: just alias the e-mail address to a program that reads the messages on stdin |
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| 20:28.04 | paulswm | greycat: hey, thanks for the link to distributed.net which you put on your web page, got two boxes up and running dnetc for 2 days now |
| 20:28.15 | npx | god, there's some twisted folks out there |
| 20:28.24 | npx | I'm watching this A&E murder special |
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| 20:28.38 | noloK | hi there |
| 20:28.39 | xtof | hi, how can I know that a network controller is up : ifconfig shows my 2 eth cards, but only one has leds on... |
| 20:28.41 | npx | killign people with hammers and shit, argh |
| 20:29.05 | tarzeau | noloK: do you play supertux? |
| 20:29.08 | blondie_ | xtof: see which shows received/transmitted packets? |
| 20:29.11 | vulture | xtof: so perhaps the other isn't connected to anything functional.. |
| 20:29.11 | sepski | xtof, a nic can be 'up' even if it dont have link |
| 20:29.14 | tarzeau | npx: why not do something useful instead? |
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| 20:29.20 | vulture | what sepski said |
| 20:29.36 | npx | tarzeau, It's actually possible to watch TV, talk on IRC, *and* do something useful |
| 20:29.39 | noloK | tarzeau ye, i played it a while |
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| 20:29.54 | debian_ | hola |
| 20:29.54 | greycat | fsvo "useful" |
| 20:30.05 | tarzeau | noloK: it's just that your nick reminded me of it |
| 20:30.11 | fusibou | !es |
| 20:30.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:30.15 | tarzeau | npx: what useful thing are you doing? |
| 20:30.16 | xtof | blondie_, the one with leds on (connected to adsl) :-) The other is connected to a hub |
| 20:30.23 | debian_ | what is your name |
| 20:30.25 | vulture | xtof: is the hub on? |
| 20:30.27 | npx | tarzeau, working on a website |
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| 20:30.35 | vulture | xtof: do other systems have link on the hub? |
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| 20:30.40 | blondie_ | errr |
| 20:30.52 | blondie_ | are you trying to tell which is eth0 and eth1? |
| 20:30.55 | xtof | vulture, yes, I have another computer connected on it and it's ok on the hub |
| 20:30.58 | samuel | hello all |
| 20:31.09 | vulture | xtof: if you switch the connections around (so the modem nic plugs in to the hub instead, etc..) - which one[s] have link? |
| 20:31.14 | dingo | lo, any of you guys know ebook reader that would work with xfree ? reader, not converter, something that'd remember the last page and stuff like that |
| 20:31.17 | noloK | can you give me several reasons why to convert to X.org? |
| 20:31.19 | vulture | xtof: sure you aren't accidently using a X-over cable where you shouldn't be? |
| 20:31.21 | noloK | several simple reasons |
| 20:31.23 | vulture | (or visa-versa) |
| 20:31.24 | xtof | blondie_, I already know that eth0 is ok because I added the other yesterday :-) |
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| 20:31.32 | asg | noloK: non, debian doesn't have it yet |
| 20:31.36 | asg | s/non/none/ |
| 20:31.37 | vulture | noloK: why should we? |
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| 20:31.57 | clarence | greycat: i need it done for any undefined email address (possibly set up as a catch all?) |
| 20:32.00 | samuel | im on the verge of getting a new computer and ive been reading about XEON processors, dell offers a 1MB cache XEON, but cant really find any advantage to them over P4 processors... any help please? |
| 20:32.10 | clarence | asg: can you narrow that down a bit for the newb? |
| 20:32.11 | blondie_ | xtof: what's the issue then? |
| 20:32.11 | greycat | clarence: you really do NOT want to do that. you will be slammed with spam. |
| 20:32.12 | anibal | !fr |
| 20:32.12 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:32.13 | noloK | asg but i can compile it, can't i? |
| 20:32.16 | RichiH | samuel: xeon are more for servers |
| 20:32.19 | xtof | vulture, I'll try to switch the links to have more informations... Thanks everybody, I'll be back :-) |
| 20:32.20 | clarence | greycat: ill never read them, its automated. |
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| 20:32.35 | greycat | clarence: well, the literal answer is "yes, you can" |
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| 20:32.44 | asg | noloK: yes, stick it in /usr/local so it doesn't infect your system |
| 20:32.53 | noloK | vulture it was request, not an order :) |
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| 20:33.09 | greycat | clarence: but if you're *replying* to the forged sender, you will be sending out spam, effectively. |
| 20:33.11 | JoshTriplett | noloK: No strong reasons exist. There are various minor ones. |
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| 20:33.17 | samuel | RichiH, so ive read, but any advantages over a P4? |
| 20:33.18 | vulture | noloK: you ask for reasons to change.. but why do you seek them? |
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| 20:33.57 | mrwoody | asg: it looks like the cpu problem is really due to XFree86 |
| 20:34.00 | clarence | greycat: no replies unless the mail is properly formed. its for a play-by-email game, it will be set up so that people can email somegamehandle@mydomain.com and the game daemon will forward the email to that players real (private) email address. |
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| 20:34.12 | npx | These "content management systems" are pretty neat, but it's impossible to find one that works exactly how you want it to |
| 20:34.16 | takatumi | if you have a radeon IGP320/340 then probably xorg makes sense. |
| 20:34.23 | asg | mrwoody: are you using and non-free addon drivers? |
| 20:34.23 | greycat | clarence: well, have fun... |
| 20:34.32 | JoshTriplett | samuel: Yes and no. If you have money to burn, the extra cache is nice, but there are P4s with that much cache. |
| 20:34.33 | clarence | npx: nah, youre just not looking hard enough :) whats the closest one youve found, and what dont you like about it? |
| 20:34.33 | asg | s/and/any/ |
| 20:34.45 | RichiH | samuel: for a workstation, take a p4 or athlon |
| 20:34.48 | noloK | vulture for case i'm curious |
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| 20:34.59 | greycat | RichiH: s/p4 or // |
| 20:35.03 | samuel | JoshTriplett, RichiH thanks |
| 20:35.08 | JoshTriplett | noloK: You wonder why people are so interested in it? |
| 20:35.16 | JoshTriplett | noloK: Mostly the newness and hype factor. :) |
| 20:35.20 | RichiH | greycat: i would never choose a p4, either. but he wants a p4 :) |
| 20:35.39 | npx | clarence, I want something 1.) exceedingly simple 2.) in python 3.) that lets me plug in my own templating system with ease (a given, if it's written in python) |
| 20:35.40 | Inglorion | does anyone know of a way to make tell openssh that a key is only to be used when authenticating to a specific host (short of specifying it on the cmdline for ssh)? |
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| 20:35.54 | RichiH | greycat: hehe |
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| 20:36.06 | npx | clarence, I've been hacking on something that meets those goals and uses twisted |
| 20:36.09 | greycat | Inglorion: ~/.ssh/config |
| 20:36.11 | Araldit | Im using Gnome, and need to burn some iso's. Is there a burning software you can recommend?? |
| 20:36.13 | JoshTriplett | greycat: Probably because "p5" is not actually useful terminology? |
| 20:36.14 | asg | npx: there was something mentioned on onlamp.com some time ago regarding such a thing |
| 20:36.24 | npx | asg, zope? |
| 20:36.29 | Inglorion | greycat: thanks |
| 20:36.29 | asg | npx: no, cheetah or somesuch |
| 20:36.35 | greycat | JoshTriplett: it was common short hand for "pentium" once upon a time. "P5-120" for example. |
| 20:36.37 | asg | npx: zope is way more heavy than your requirements. |
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| 20:36.44 | npx | Yeah I know |
| 20:36.47 | JoshTriplett | Araldit: Coaster or k3b. |
| 20:36.49 | npx | that's why I'm not using it |
| 20:36.53 | mrwoody | asg: I am using nvidia drivers... but I have been using them for a very long time |
| 20:36.54 | asg | npx: heh |
| 20:37.02 | mrwoody | asg: and I didn't have this problem |
| 20:37.05 | clarence | npx: well, keep hacking, when youre done youll have found it :) |
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| 20:37.09 | asg | mrwoody: did you recompile them after your system upgrade? |
| 20:37.09 | mrwoody | asg: maybe I should upgrade them |
| 20:37.10 | JoshTriplett | greycat: That doesn't make it correct. :0 |
| 20:37.10 | npx | clarence =) |
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| 20:37.22 | noloK | JoshTriplett with simple words it isn't better than XFree86? |
| 20:37.25 | npx | I'm going to release it under the BSD license when I'm done |
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| 20:37.44 | mrwoody | asg: you mean even if i didn't recompile the kernel I should compile it again after an upgrade? |
| 20:37.46 | dingo | hmm, noone knows about ebook reader for xfree please / |
| 20:37.55 | RoEn | moin moin |
| 20:37.58 | JoshTriplett | noloK: Better in the sense that version N+1 of a program is generally better than version N, yes. There aren't *dramatic* differences. |
| 20:38.04 | greycat | dingo: uh.... mozilla? less? |
| 20:38.06 | jstevens | opinionated question... what's the best user-friendly web-based client for pop email access |
| 20:38.07 | asg | mrwoody: the nvidia drivers, iirc, add a userland component to X. If X was upgraded or your kernel, that would be required. |
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| 20:38.16 | dingo | greycat: for pdb ? |
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| 20:38.20 | JoshTriplett | jstevens: Squirrelmail. |
| 20:38.21 | Araldit | JoshTriplett: k3b is for KDE, so it will install a bunch of packages.. But Coaster is that just as good? |
| 20:38.24 | greycat | !listkeys pdb |
| 20:38.24 | mrwoody | asg: ok I will try that |
| 20:38.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'pdb' by key (1 shown): sapdb. |
| 20:38.28 | greycat | !sapdb |
| 20:38.28 | dpkg | sapdb is, like, an open source enterprise database server which includes high end features like row-level locking, transaction, subselect, online backup, cluster, outer join, ANSI SQL 92 complaint, and many more. http://www.sapdb.org |
| 20:38.33 | greycat | guess not. |
| 20:38.40 | asg | jstevens: use getmail or fetchmail, deliver it locally, and use mutt to read it. |
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| 20:38.43 | dingo | greycat: pdb is palm plaintext format |
| 20:38.49 | noloK | JoshTriplett thanks |
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| 20:38.51 | RoEn | hehe benix |
| 20:38.52 | greycat | if it's plain text, use cat(1) |
| 20:38.54 | asg | jstevens: squirrel only supports imap |
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| 20:39.01 | Benix | hehe RoEn ;-) |
| 20:39.02 | asg | JoshTriplett: ^^^ |
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| 20:39.14 | RoEn | Du auch hier ? |
| 20:39.19 | greycat | !de |
| 20:39.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 20:39.21 | JoshTriplett | Araldit: K3b is highly easy to use, and well worth the additional packages. Coaster is *intended* to be just as good; whether it is or not, I don't know, as I haven't tried it yet. |
| 20:39.23 | RoEn | was macht Kanotix |
| 20:39.28 | Benix | RoEn: jo, ich auch hier |
| 20:39.30 | greycat | !kanotix |
| 20:39.30 | dpkg | KANOTIX is a Linux Live CD based on Knoppix technology using Debian/sid. The included XFree86 is from Debian/experimental. The main specs are: GRUB based startup from CD, ACPI support, DMA default on, additional support for DSL modems (Fritz!Card DSL and Eagle USB), optimal for HD install (you get a working Debian/sid install in about 10 minutes!), no SMP kernel (needed for some drivers), kernel with XFS, forcedeth (for nForce NI |
| 20:39.33 | asg | RoEn: #kanotix.de |
| 20:39.35 | RoEn | the best debian :) |
| 20:39.35 | JoshTriplett | asg: That's interesting; I thought it could do pop. |
| 20:39.36 | dingo | greycat: it is not, it is compressed, the problem is not converting it somehow to something readable, but for the thing remembering where the reader left off .. etc .. less can't do that |
| 20:39.44 | Benix | jepp |
| 20:39.47 | RoEn | bye |
| 20:39.47 | asg | JoshTriplett: there might be an addon but ootb, it only does imap |
| 20:39.55 | Benix | bye |
| 20:39.56 | jstevens | squirrelmail does pop through the fetchmail plugin... |
| 20:39.59 | JoshTriplett | asg: Good to know. |
| 20:39.59 | RichiH | samuel: so anyway, as greycat was saying, getting an athlon is better than a p4 |
| 20:40.19 | greycat | dingo: convert it to plain text or html, use a web browser, use bookmarks (assuming it gets broken into multiple documents/pages) |
| 20:40.20 | asg | JoshTriplett: otherwise, a pretty decent webmail client. |
| 20:40.21 | RichiH | samuel: better price/value ratio, too |
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| 20:40.29 | BleSS | i'm building a live cd. apm is as module but when i try run it with modprobe apm, it shows this error: apm: disabled on user request. Why? |
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| 20:40.48 | JoshTriplett | BleSS: Check your kernel settings; there's an "off by default" option. |
| 20:40.54 | greycat | we're supposed to guess what *your* live CD distro did? |
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| 20:41.08 | TinoW | hi |
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| 20:41.17 | asg | BleSS: besides, if you are building live cds, bootcd is your friend. |
| 20:41.27 | JoshTriplett | BleSS: You either need to arrange to pass "apm=on" (or similar; it may be different for a modular apm) to the module, or change that kernel option. |
| 20:41.30 | samuel | RichiH, thanks - good to know that |
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| 20:41.31 | BleSS | JoshTriplett, i think that no |
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| 20:41.43 | dingo | greycat: it won't, converted it will be just simple text file, i'm trying to come up with something that friend could use, she knows nothing about linux, and she likes to read ... in a book with 300 pages or more its very hard to keep track where you left off with browser or less .. |
| 20:41.45 | RichiH | samuel: and easier to cool :) |
| 20:41.47 | TinoW | whats the best/easiest way to fetch packages with their depencies for another architecture? |
| 20:41.59 | xtof | blondie_, vulture, thanks a lot, it's a network cable problem... |
| 20:42.00 | BleSS | JoshTriplett, i will try it, thanks |
| 20:42.02 | greycat | dingo: convert it to a big text file, then use split(1) on it? :) |
| 20:42.22 | greycat | TinoW: get a box that runs that arch. |
| 20:42.36 | asg | dingo: or edit it and put ### WHERE I LEFT OFF ### in it (so you can /search in less later) |
| 20:42.39 | blondie_ | does dpkg keep logs anywhere? :/ |
| 20:42.44 | greycat | no |
| 20:42.50 | sepski | TinoW, maybe apt-mirror.. gets the _whole_ shebang, atleast you have all the dependancies :) |
| 20:42.57 | TinoW | greycat: yes, but this box does not have (yet) network connection. All I could do is to access its filesystem |
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| 20:43.20 | TinoW | sepski: well, not enough space to fetch the whole archive ;) |
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| 20:43.28 | dingo | in that case i can just tell her to install star office on it and open it in word, or just write something i guess, i'm just stumped that there is no ebook reader that would work with linux already |
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| 20:43.30 | JoshTriplett | TinoW: apt-get has a --print-uris option. |
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| 20:43.52 | asg | dingo: you should write one then, now's your chance. |
| 20:43.58 | Darian | is the repository listed at apt-get.org the only php5 repository out there? |
| 20:43.59 | greycat | dingo: probably because none of us have ever seen this mystical "pdb" format before. |
| 20:44.14 | dingo | asg: yes it looks that is what i will do, thanks :) |
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| 20:44.27 | dingo | greycat: do you have any kind of pda ?:) |
| 20:44.28 | asg | dingo: that's the spirit |
| 20:44.28 | JoshTriplett | dingo: Hang on, pdb? |
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| 20:44.36 | JoshTriplett | dingo: As in Palm DataBase? |
| 20:44.39 | dingo | JoshTriplett: yeah lol yes |
| 20:44.52 | JoshTriplett | dingo: ISTR an app to deal with that. |
| 20:45.04 | greycat | dingo: no |
| 20:45.19 | asg | dingo: pdb2man would be a nice util for you to start on |
| 20:45.24 | dingo | JoshTriplett: hmm thanks i'll check it out :) |
| 20:45.52 | dingo | greycat: pdb - palmdoc is the simplest format for ebooks on palms and such i'd guess .. |
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| 20:46.04 | TinoW | JoshTriplett: would it be possible to use apt with the directories of the foreign system to fetch and even install the packages? |
| 20:46.32 | JoshTriplett | dingo: There's a libpalm-perl that looks useful if you want to write something. |
| 20:46.49 | asg | dingo: txt2pdbdoc - Convert plain text files to Palm DOC (for PalmOS) and back |
| 20:46.59 | dingo | asg: that could be done by a script i guess, i already have some stuff that does txt/html/rtf <-> pdb converting for my library .. |
| 20:47.01 | JoshTriplett | asg: He already said he could convert to text. :) |
| 20:47.10 | asg | JoshTriplett: argh, missed it |
| 20:47.22 | JoshTriplett | dingo: You could convert it to HTML and add anchors. |
| 20:47.30 | JoshTriplett | dingo: Then they could bookmark an anchor. |
| 20:47.32 | dingo | asg: yes, but that just converts it into flat text file, so there is still problem with the remembering the page, i believe i will just write reader |
| 20:47.48 | dingo | JoshTriplett: with 2600 books ? ouch lol |
| 20:47.54 | asg | dingo: yes sorry, I totally brainflopped there. |
| 20:47.55 | JoshTriplett | dingo: I don't mean manually. :) |
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| 20:48.14 | dingo | asg: no worries, i'm braindead today morning too :) |
| 20:48.14 | JoshTriplett | dingo: I meant you could modify whatever you're using for pdb->html to include chapter anchors. |
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| 20:48.26 | JoshTriplett | dingo: Or page anchors, for that matter. |
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| 20:48.43 | justin | I used to have a program like less good for reading books |
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| 20:48.53 | justin | it had auto scroll and persistant bookmarks |
| 20:48.54 | dingo | JoshTriplett: i'm using mostly preexisting programs like the txt2pdbdoc package .. and just scripts .. |
| 20:49.03 | justin | I think it was called 'read' or 'reed' :-) |
| 20:49.12 | dingo | thanks justin :) |
| 20:49.46 | greycat | hmm, not in woody's, at least not by the obvious mechanism |
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| 20:49.57 | dingo | it gotta be somehting that person on a linux machine, in kde not knowing what they are doing, be able to use .. |
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| 20:49.58 | takatumi | persistent bookmarks in anything would be good. |
| 20:50.01 | neom | :| |
| 20:50.17 | greycat | web browsers. |
| 20:50.20 | neom | I think I forgot to select a desktop enviornment when I installed it. :\ |
| 20:50.28 | greycat | neom: so? apt-get install one. |
| 20:50.29 | neom | -a |
| 20:50.38 | dingo | mainly because i want them to learn linux before they get tired of it and switch back to the 'alternatives' .. |
| 20:50.56 | takatumi | I did lose my bookmarks once with firefox. |
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| 20:50.57 | dingo | if they have one thing they can do well with linux they will be more apt to learn more |
| 20:51.11 | dingo | i lose my passwords with linux firefox all the time :) |
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| 20:51.35 | caphuso | greycat: you could probably abuse the tags support |
| 20:51.42 | dingo | lol |
| 20:51.59 | dingo | well thanks guys for the answers, i think it gave me pretty good start :) |
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| 20:52.39 | nvzn | does anyone know how to get the init 1 shell is on serial console? |
| 20:53.23 | greycat | nvzn: probably by booting into single user mode to begin with |
| 20:53.23 | blondie_ | o.o |
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| 20:53.34 | nvzn | nope, doesnt work for me |
| 20:53.39 | sussudio | !bear blondie_ |
| 20:53.45 | nvzn | greycat: nope, doesnt work for em |
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| 20:54.39 | justin | nvzn: console=ttyS0.... |
| 20:55.08 | nvzn | justin: and greycat im going to show you my grub kenel console call |
| 20:55.12 | nvzn | 1 sec |
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| 20:55.36 | JoshTriplett | dingo: One minor tip: it's generally easier to extoll the virtues of Free Software by showing them stuff that runs on Windows, *then* making the jump to GNU/Linux. |
| 20:56.00 | directhex | yes, it is. |
| 20:56.03 | greycat | is that the good kind of jumping, or the bad kind? |
| 20:56.08 | pestil3nce | lol @ resiak |
| 20:56.13 | greycat | (in other words, which body part lands first?) |
| 20:56.18 | directhex | it's even better if you get them hooked on cross-platform apps, to make any change in the background os fairly moot |
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| 20:56.39 | drasko | hello everybody |
| 20:56.58 | joebob2000 | is there a java 1.5+ vm package for sarge? |
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| 20:57.09 | caphuso | joebob2000: /msg dpkg install java |
| 20:57.10 | asg | joebob2000: no but you can use sun's (/msg dpkg install java) |
| 20:57.22 | JoshTriplett | directhex: Yup, that's exactly what I did when I switched. |
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| 20:58.02 | JoshTriplett | directhex: By the time I switched to GNU/LInux, I was already using Mozilla, Emacs, GCC, bash, ... :) |
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| 20:58.05 | Backz | Hi, I was created I new swap partiton and run 'swapon', when I reboot my debian I need run 'swapon' on it again... what file I need edit? |
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| 20:58.09 | quittt | why Totem and XINE-UI are giving me a blue screen? |
| 20:58.13 | JoshTriplett | Backz: /etc/fstab |
| 20:58.14 | asg | Backz: /etc/fstab |
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| 20:58.20 | drasko | if I have .deb package which would not install because of unresolved dependencies, is there a way to easy install all dependencies, and then install package? |
| 20:58.28 | greycat | drasko: no |
| 20:58.31 | pestil3nce | directhex: but hey, whats the big deal? why switch to GNU/Linux if your enviroment is already working? |
| 20:58.47 | directhex | pestil3nce, why not? |
| 20:59.02 | asg | greycat: you ran Unix for diapers? |
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| 20:59.20 | greycat | or at least before Windows was introduced into the consumer marketplace |
| 20:59.27 | Phated | asg: His mom used cron to change his diapers. :) |
| 20:59.28 | directhex | quitte, broken Xv extension |
| 20:59.28 | pestil3nce | directhex: becouse if it aint broken, why fix it? |
| 20:59.32 | greycat | and switching from DOS is a no-brainer |
| 20:59.33 | asg | Phated: hehe |
| 20:59.39 | JoshTriplett | pestil3nce: And if it is broken? :) |
| 20:59.42 | drasko | greycat: that mens that i have to go through all dependencies and install them one by one by hand? |
| 20:59.47 | JoshTriplett | pestil3nce: In various fundamental ways? :) |
| 20:59.49 | directhex | pestil3nce, we'd still have msdos 2 with windows 1 if people thought like that |
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| 20:59.53 | Backz | JoshTriplett: what I put on <mount point>? null? |
| 20:59.53 | ribnitz | hello |
| 20:59.57 | greycat | drasko: why do you have a local .deb? why didn't you apt-get it to begin with? |
| 20:59.59 | caphuso | drasko: try "apt-get -f install" |
| 21:00.03 | ribnitz | Anyone here use dvds? |
| 21:00.12 | caphuso | !tell ribnitz -about ask |
| 21:00.16 | JoshTriplett | Backz: Anything you want; "swap" is customary. |
| 21:00.18 | pestil3nce | JoshTriplett: well, since you have windows already i suppose, and you have your applications running, i see no need to change |
| 21:00.22 | JoshTriplett | ribnitz: Yes, what's the problem you're having. |
| 21:00.28 | drasko | greycat: There was'nt one in the repository. |
| 21:00.41 | drasko | I'll try -f option |
| 21:00.42 | greycat | drasko: so where did you *get* this file? |
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| 21:00.56 | JoshTriplett | pestil3nce: Stability, security, easy of change, ease of getting new applications, etc. |
| 21:00.57 | directhex | pestil3nce, okay, how about for improved play with unreal tournament 2004? |
| 21:01.03 | ribnitz | Ok. I have a dvd movie, which I copy to hd using dvdbackup, say into the dir /foo |
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| 21:01.06 | uGexe | i can load a module using modprobe, but the module is not showing up in modconf. How do I change this? |
| 21:01.11 | directhex | yeah, plus explorer and installshield both suck hard |
| 21:01.12 | drasko | greycat: long story. It's lahelper, frontend to latex |
| 21:01.13 | pestil3nce | JoshTriplett: i'd go freebsd then |
| 21:01.17 | greycat | uGexe: who cares? echo modulename >> /etc/modules |
| 21:01.20 | JoshTriplett | pestil3nce: Go ahead then. |
| 21:01.20 | Backz | JoshTriplett: /dev/hda2 swap |
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| 21:01.28 | nvzn | justin: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10v02 root=/dev/hda2 ro console=tty0 console=ttyS0,9600n8 s |
| 21:01.29 | Backz | JoshTriplett: just it? |
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| 21:01.37 | JoshTriplett | Backz: No; hang on a second. |
| 21:01.45 | ribnitz | I then get a dir /foo/titleofdisk/video_ts with all the corresponding files in. |
| 21:01.46 | Backz | JoshTriplett: ok! |
| 21:01.57 | nvzn | justin: i tried switching the two console calls around but didnt help |
| 21:01.59 | JoshTriplett | Backz: /dev/hda2 swap swap defaults |
| 21:02.10 | Backz | JoshTriplett: thanks sir! |
| 21:02.56 | justin | nvzn: your kernel have serial support compiled in? |
| 21:03.09 | asg | greycat: might have been a posterior shot |
| 21:03.11 | nvzn | hmm, it works in other inits? |
| 21:03.17 | ribnitz | now If i go and do a makeisofs over /foo, which I then burn to DVD, I will not get a valid dvd-video. Why? |
| 21:03.20 | nvzn | justin: it works in other inits |
| 21:03.28 | nvzn | justin: so it should be, no? |
| 21:03.44 | greycat | ribnitz: uh... well for starters, they don't use iso9660. They use UDF. |
| 21:03.56 | justin | nvzn: yep |
| 21:04.05 | valdyn | ribnitz: mkisofs has a -dvd-video switch or somesuch |
| 21:04.09 | ribnitz | greycat: mkisofs -dvd-video supposedly does that. |
| 21:04.23 | ribnitz | valdyn: I used that. |
| 21:04.46 | nvzn | justin: its just that im not getting the main console on ttyS0 for some reason, it always defaults to monitor |
| 21:04.51 | valdyn | ribnitz: audio_ts exists? i dont know if that is required, but i read it is |
| 21:05.12 | ribnitz | valdyn: it does not. |
| 21:05.20 | asg | nvzn: did you set a getty in /etc/inittab ? |
| 21:05.32 | nvzn | asg: yeah |
| 21:05.44 | valdyn | ribnitz: some downloadable dvd, coming as files in video_ts etc.. appear to be broken too |
| 21:05.45 | nvzn | asg: it gets a login |
| 21:05.46 | ribnitz | valdyn: supposedly therefore its not on the original disk. |
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| 21:06.03 | drasko | caphuso: You are a life saver! Thanks! -f option worked. |
| 21:06.12 | nvzn | asg: i just uncommented out the ones in the debian version |
| 21:06.37 | valdyn | ribnitz: i don't know, i just followed instructions blindly |
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| 21:07.12 | asg | nvzn: well, for what it's worth, on a nat firewall we have, there is this at the top of /boot/grub/menu.lst: |
| 21:07.12 | asg | serial --unit=0 --speed=9600 |
| 21:07.12 | asg | terminal --timeout=10 serial console |
| 21:07.39 | nvzn | asg: yeah i got that too |
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| 21:07.43 | elephantman | What is a bootsplash ? |
| 21:07.56 | greycat | a stupid picture you get at boot time |
| 21:08.06 | spdupee | what do I need to install debian over the internet? |
| 21:08.10 | asg | nvzn: s0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 linux <--- under the standard gettys in /etc/inittab ? |
| 21:08.14 | dadexter | what's boottime? |
| 21:08.15 | dadexter | :P |
| 21:08.18 | greycat | spdupee: 2-4 floppies or a small ISO image burned to a CD |
| 21:08.26 | greycat | dadexter: it's what follows a kernel upgrade |
| 21:08.28 | nvzn | asg: ok lemme see that |
| 21:08.32 | dadexter | greycat, ah |
| 21:08.34 | nvzn | asg: checking... |
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| 21:08.43 | ribnitz | seems to have lost its menu. |
| 21:08.45 | valdyn | ribnitz: you can losetup you image anyway, to test it w/ xine |
| 21:08.54 | ribnitz | but works wen played from disk? |
| 21:08.55 | spdupee | greycat: I mean what images for floppy? |
| 21:09.03 | dadexter | greycat, only time that boot time thing comes around for you too? :P |
| 21:09.09 | quittt | I am getting a blue screen with XINE |
| 21:09.10 | quittt | why? |
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| 21:09.20 | greycat | spdupee: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 21:09.35 | pestil3nce | quittt: why? why? who freaking knows? |
| 21:09.36 | caphuso | quittt: missing XVideo extension |
| 21:09.38 | nvzn | asg: T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 21:09.39 | hitu | hey anyone able to connect to msn using gaim ? |
| 21:09.39 | nvzn | T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 21:09.44 | hitu | or is it just me |
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| 21:09.53 | supaman | hitu: its just you |
| 21:09.58 | hitu | lol |
| 21:10.01 | hitu | (02:38:43) msn: C: NS 000: CVR 5 0x0409 winnt 5.1 i386 MSNMSGR 6.0.0602 MSMSGS alc0holik@hotmail.com |
| 21:10.02 | hitu | (02:38:44) msn: S: NS 000: CVR 5 6.2.0137 6.2.0137 6.1.0211 http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/9/a/09a79e99-f2c8-4933-9797-77e88836bb52/SetupDL.EXE http://messenger.msn.com |
| 21:10.02 | nvzn | asg: thatwhat i've got there... |
| 21:10.02 | Delph | hitu: go upgrade. |
| 21:10.06 | asg | nvzn: that's what the default menu.lst has commented. |
| 21:10.10 | hitu | i get that on my gaim debug window |
| 21:10.16 | greycat | nvzn: well, :23: means it doesn't run in single user mode. |
| 21:10.18 | hitu | my gaim is the latest version |
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| 21:10.34 | nvzn | greycat: ah ok, thanks! :) |
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| 21:10.42 | blowfish | hello |
| 21:10.45 | blowfish | i got a wierd problem |
| 21:10.49 | greycat | sheesh, you'd think someone would read "man inittab" before editing /etc/inittab |
| 21:10.50 | blowfish | i tried to install vpopmail-bin |
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| 21:10.57 | blowfish | it failed to install and now i cant get rid of it |
| 21:11.00 | elephantman | greycat: ok thanx |
| 21:11.11 | _rene_ | greycat: reading? what is that? *scnr* |
| 21:11.13 | uGexe | ok I am definatly not asking this question for myself but.. this guy wants to know how to auto login as root without a password |
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| 21:11.26 | _rene_ | uGexe: don't. just don't. |
| 21:11.28 | asg | uGexe: use Linspire |
| 21:11.34 | greycat | uGexe: tell him to read "man inittab" and /etc/init.d/README |
| 21:11.35 | nvzn | asg: do i need to change the T0 to s0? |
| 21:11.35 | supaman | greycat: you have to much faith in people .. |
| 21:11.55 | greycat | nvzn: the two-letter label is just a comment for identification |
| 21:11.58 | Delph | uGexe: more people saying 'dont' over here... |
| 21:12.03 | greycat | nvzn: man inittab |
| 21:12.13 | quittt | in which package is XVideo? |
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| 21:12.21 | greycat | !wayttd quittt |
| 21:12.22 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, quittt? |
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| 21:12.38 | ribnitz | valdyn: Do you do any copies of films, if so, whats the most promising way? |
| 21:12.42 | quittt | greycat, make my xine work |
| 21:12.48 | quittt | I get a blue screen when I start it |
| 21:12.54 | caphuso | quittt: it's not a package. it's a feature of some xfree86 grapgic card drivers |
| 21:12.57 | greycat | quittt: tried xvinfo yet? |
| 21:13.01 | nvzn | greycat: didnt know thats where the problem was, thanks for the help |
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| 21:13.42 | quittt | why greycat ? |
| 21:13.44 | quittt | what is there? |
| 21:13.54 | greycat | info. about xv. |
| 21:14.05 | quittt | and? |
| 21:14.05 | greycat | !cluebat quittt |
| 21:14.14 | blowfish | i tried to install vpopmail-bin it failed to install and now i cant apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:14.17 | blowfish | i get this error |
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| 21:14.36 | blowfish | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:14.36 | blowfish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:14.42 | quittt | greycat, what is the problem? |
| 21:14.42 | greycat | Jesus. |
| 21:14.50 | greycat | quittt: tried xvinfo yet? |
| 21:14.57 | quittt | yes! |
| 21:14.58 | quittt | I do |
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| 21:15.13 | possie_ | i did something really stupid, i copyed a file over a file that i needed /me stupid, just curiouse is it possible with some fs trick to get this file back? or am i' screwed? |
| 21:15.24 | PerfDave | possie_: Restore from backups ;) |
| 21:15.35 | quittt | what is important there greycat ? |
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| 21:16.01 | sbk | possie_: outside chance you might be able to get it back if you quickly mounted it read-only |
| 21:16.15 | possie_ | PerfDave: well i just worked on the file 30min ago, (c source) and now i copyed over it, so i guess it's back to coding again :-) |
| 21:16.19 | greycat | blowfish: the summary at the end of the errors that said "Oh by the way, I'm aborting now because there were some errors earlier" IS NOT THE ERROR MESSAGE THAT YOU NEED TO READ. |
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| 21:16.35 | Delph | ~tell possie_ about CVS (or subversion, or something) |
| 21:16.38 | possie_ | sbk: hehhe that's a good one indeed :-) |
| 21:16.47 | Delph | ooh, there's a bot here that responds to ~ |
| 21:16.50 | Delph | (oops) |
| 21:16.53 | possie_ | Delph: nonsense i was working on the file |
| 21:16.53 | asg | Delph: apt does |
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| 21:16.58 | greycat | we have ~ and ! and @ |
| 21:17.11 | greycat | #status |
| 21:17.15 | quittt | greycat, well |
| 21:17.20 | greycat | (no reply on that one, yet) |
| 21:17.21 | quittt | greycat, what need to do? |
| 21:17.22 | sbk | possie_: no, not joking. If you were lucky enough that the fs decided to not reuse the old blocks for your file, you might be able to search for it directly. Outside chance, but hey. |
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| 21:17.24 | quittt | edit something? |
| 21:17.36 | greycat | quittt: grow a clue, first. |
| 21:17.49 | possie_ | sbk: yeah i toke it seriouse :-) |
| 21:18.01 | possie_ | sbk: got it mounted ro now |
| 21:18.25 | jerome | hum, identd is supposed to be launched through inetd, right ? |
| 21:18.35 | burd | I have a few machines running testing and for some reason logcheck is not allowed to go through the log files.. I get permissions denied.. I tried adding user logcheck to adm but it was already done.. am i missing something maybe? |
| 21:18.38 | greycat | jerome: usually, but not always/necessarily |
| 21:18.47 | sbk | possie_: you could simply search for blocks containing the first few characters of your file (or some appropriate string that you think exists in the old file) |
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| 21:18.57 | burd | oh thats only on one of the machines as well |
| 21:19.23 | jerome | greycat: oki, I was wondering cause i got some ident refusal from postgresql, and figured identd was not running despite the line in inetd.conf |
| 21:19.26 | sbk | possie_: most filesystems will try to allocate your data in a chunk, so you'll probably find a good subset of your data, if you were so lucky |
| 21:19.41 | possie_ | sbk: and how would i search through the blocks? |
| 21:20.09 | sbk | possie_: oh, might be simplest to just write a short C program to do it. |
| 21:20.25 | possie_ | sbk: k thanks for the tip |
| 21:20.37 | possie_ | sbk: gonna try to recover it :-) |
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| 21:20.49 | sbk | possie_: at the least, it will be entertaining :-) good luck |
| 21:20.57 | possie_ | sbk: hehe thanks |
| 21:21.20 | neom | I'm at get 62, how many gets are there? |
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| 21:21.22 | quittt | is Debian Sid better than Debian Sarge? |
| 21:21.23 | sbk | possie_: oh, you probably only need to search for the "beginnings" of blocks (get the block size for the filesystem with dump*fs) |
| 21:21.31 | greycat | quittt: no |
| 21:21.31 | caphuso | quittt: for you? no |
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| 21:21.57 | pestil3nce | quittt: it's all on debian.org... it says "Don't use unstable" |
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| 21:22.18 | jerome | greycat: could you paste me the identd relevant line from your /etc/inetd.conf ? |
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| 21:22.23 | jerome | just in case |
| 21:22.26 | christor_ | Please is it better to install a kernel-2.6.8-386 or kernel-2.6.7-686 on a Celeron? |
| 21:22.32 | njan | christor_, 686 |
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| 21:23.03 | christor_ | njan: ok so gogogo to reinstall kernel |
| 21:23.08 | greycat | ident stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/local/sbin/nullidentd nullidentd rfc1413 |
| 21:23.08 | clarence | when did "686" start? |
| 21:23.10 | clarence | p2? |
| 21:23.14 | greycat | clarence: pentium pro |
| 21:23.17 | clarence | ok |
| 21:23.49 | rp_ | Hi! Does anyone knows if it is possible to redefine gimp shortcuts? |
| 21:24.21 | jerome | greycat: oki |
| 21:25.00 | jerome | damn strange inetd is supposed to launch ident, however netstat doesn't report anything |
| 21:25.13 | greycat | christor_: 2.6.8 introduced many new bugs and behaviors which can cause problems... 2.6.9 and 2.6.10 are largely dedicated to fixing them. |
| 21:25.25 | greycat | christor_: try both and see which works best for you, I suppose. |
| 21:25.43 | Covener | Is passing vga= on an x86 system completely indpependent of loading a framebuffer module / fbset? Is it just that the latter can "undo" what you've set w/ vga=? And finally where do those high-numbered vga= (1400x1050 res seems to have a number of them) come from? |
| 21:26.17 | asg | Covener: fb/vesa.txt in your kernel src tree |
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| 21:26.53 | elephantman | My audio card is recognized, the driver is loaded, the equalizer shows a signal when playing audio file, but no sound is playing - Is there something to turn on ? How can i check audio logs ? (volume if high) |
| 21:27.10 | greycat | un-mute the channels, if it's ALSA. |
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| 21:28.10 | ribnitz | greycat: how would you propose that I burn dvds? |
| 21:28.22 | delire | growisofs |
| 21:28.22 | greycat | dunno; I've never burnt a video-dvd |
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| 21:28.58 | ribnitz | delire: that wprks, nd preserves the navigation menu? |
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| 21:29.21 | nvzn | asg: is there some command i need to run after editing inittab to get it to read updates? |
| 21:29.26 | delire | ribnitz: don't know. make an iso and burn it. |
| 21:29.26 | BucWheat | anyone know how to cancel all jobs from command line ? print jobs ? i'm using cups and #cups is dead :( |
| 21:29.29 | Covener | asg: thanks, I guess that does resolve that it's really just talking to an fb module -- but no luck on the "high" vga= numbers |
| 21:29.30 | asg | nvzn: telinit q |
| 21:29.31 | war- | Is there no LATEX is Debian Sarge!? I cannot locate it. |
| 21:29.36 | caphuso | war-: tetex |
| 21:29.42 | nvzn | asg: ok ty |
| 21:29.46 | delire | ribnitz: is it a VCD/DVD? |
| 21:29.48 | quittt | como eu faco pro agpgart naum ser iniciado? |
| 21:29.48 | elephantman | greycat: with which command can i try this ? (unmuting alsa) |
| 21:29.56 | greycat | alsamixer or something. |
| 21:29.57 | quittt | how do I make agpgart dont start? |
| 21:29.58 | greycat | !alsa |
| 21:29.58 | dpkg | alsa is, like, On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 21:30.02 | delire | quittt: #debian-es |
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| 21:30.04 | war- | thx. |
| 21:30.09 | quittt | delire, I am Brazilian |
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| 21:30.19 | Phated | Then #debian-pr. |
| 21:30.23 | delire | quittt: i don't know if there is a debian-br |
| 21:30.23 | asg | Phated: -br |
| 21:30.24 | citral | #debian-br |
| 21:30.25 | ituzaf | hello |
| 21:30.30 | Phated | My bad. |
| 21:30.34 | ituzaf | does someone known why debian's Squid boot script restricts the maximum fd to 4096 ? |
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| 21:31.05 | Xeon2 | How can I reconfigure debconf to use dialog instead of readline? |
| 21:31.10 | asg | ituzaf: /usr/share/doc/squid/* might indicate why |
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| 21:31.15 | greycat | Xeon2: dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf |
| 21:31.20 | caphuso | Xeon2: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 21:31.32 | delire | quittt: what card are you running? |
| 21:31.39 | greycat | because 4096 open fds is a SHITLOAD? |
| 21:31.39 | quittt | geforce 4 |
| 21:31.58 | Xeon2 | Thanks guys |
| 21:32.13 | bjenkins | i just installed the nvidia drivers for debian, and when i startx, i get the nvidia splash screen, then nothing else, and moving the mouse around just leaves little traces all over the screen |
| 21:32.31 | delire | quittt: you have agpgart loaded as a module or compiled in? |
| 21:32.41 | quittt | module |
| 21:32.46 | quittt | I use Debian kernel |
| 21:33.07 | quittt | bjenkins, which version of it? |
| 21:33.12 | ribnitz | dpkg, growisofs |
| 21:33.12 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, ribnitz |
| 21:33.15 | fusibou | bjenkins single or dual head? |
| 21:33.23 | bjenkins | single head |
| 21:33.29 | nvzn | asg: ok, so i've edited tty1's inittab to :23: from :2345:, changed ttyS0's to :2345: from :23: and i _still_ get kernel messages and init 1 shell on tty1! |
| 21:33.30 | bjenkins | did it the "debian way" |
| 21:33.43 | bjenkins | per the how-to |
| 21:33.46 | delire | quittt: lo siento, hablo muy poco espanol |
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| 21:34.01 | quittt | yo hablo PORTUGUES |
| 21:34.07 | delire | quittt: hehe |
| 21:34.12 | ituzaf | greycat: hm, ok |
| 21:34.12 | bjenkins | the splash sreen looks GREAT |
| 21:34.14 | quittt | eu falo portugues!! |
| 21:34.15 | greycat | nvzn: which of :2345: is a "1" or "S"? |
| 21:34.15 | quittt | hehe |
| 21:34.15 | ituzaf | greycat: thank you |
| 21:34.27 | fusibou | bjenkins gmd/xdm/kdm? |
| 21:34.30 | bjenkins | but I was hoping for more... |
| 21:34.40 | Xeon2 | What is the most popular linux MTA? |
| 21:34.41 | ituzaf | asg: /usr/share/doc/squid doesn't contains any comment on this limit |
| 21:34.47 | greycat | Xeon2: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 21:34.47 | citral | Xeon2: yes |
| 21:34.49 | bjenkins | it runs gdm by default, but i kill that then startx and the same thing happens |
| 21:34.50 | delire | Xeon2: exim |
| 21:34.53 | Xeon2 | Exim? Postfix? |
| 21:34.55 | greycat | Xeon2: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 21:34.55 | Xeon2 | Oh |
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| 21:34.56 | nvzn | greycat: im not sure i understand? |
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| 21:35.13 | fusibou | bjenkins what does /var/log/Xfree86log say? |
| 21:35.15 | greycat | nvzn: :2345: is TWO, THREE, FOUR and FIVE. It does NOT INCLUDE THE NUMBER ONE. Nor does it include THE LETTER ESS. |
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| 21:35.29 | nvzn | greycat: yep, no 1 no S |
| 21:35.33 | bjenkins | a lot, but i didn't see anything that jumped out as a problem |
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| 21:35.39 | nvzn | greycat: NO ESS |
| 21:35.43 | greycat | so what made you think your entry would be invoked when you changed to run level 1? |
| 21:35.44 | delire | quittt: what does 'glxinfo | grep Direct Rendering' say? |
| 21:35.57 | quittt | delire, I want disable it to use nvagp!! |
| 21:35.58 | citral | bjenkins: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE |
| 21:36.04 | bjenkins | ok |
| 21:36.13 | delire | quittt: ahah.. |
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| 21:36.36 | takatumi | quittt: modconf |
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| 21:36.54 | citral | quittt: are they exclusive? |
| 21:36.55 | bjenkins | nothing shows up |
| 21:36.55 | greycat | !uuoc |
| 21:36.55 | dpkg | it has been said that uuoc is Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 21:36.59 | quittt | takatumi, I dont want it |
| 21:37.03 | quittt | citral, yes it is |
| 21:37.03 | z1ng3r | I'm trying to remove a package and I keep getting update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/desktop-splash corrupt: manflag. How do I get past this? |
| 21:37.14 | takatumi | quittt: then remove it from /etc/modules |
| 21:37.25 | bjenkins | it picks up the line that explains the code, and a line that contains the word SCREEN |
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| 21:37.32 | takatumi | or maybe agp=off |
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| 21:37.45 | fusibou | bjenkins does non nvidia work for X |
| 21:37.47 | nvzn | asg: do you know what greycat is talking about? |
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| 21:37.57 | sbk | I discovered yesterday the perfect use for cat. "wget -O - ...url... | cat >> filename, actually appends to filename. |
| 21:38.03 | citral | nvzn: that was for me |
| 21:38.04 | greycat | nvzn: do you want your inittab entry to RUN when you go to run level 1, or NOT RUN? |
| 21:38.05 | cafuego | quittt: Any reason to think nvagp will work in any way different and/or better then agpgart? |
| 21:38.11 | bjenkins | you mean the nv driver? yeah, but the monitor flickers |
| 21:38.17 | zinx | sbk: except wget -O - ...url... >> filename will do exactly the same thing. |
| 21:38.18 | delire | sbk: a new dawn ;) |
| 21:38.22 | quittt | cafuego, it is better |
| 21:38.26 | quittt | it is fast |
| 21:38.28 | sbk | zinx: au countraire |
| 21:38.30 | bjenkins | that's why i switched |
| 21:38.34 | fusibou | bjenkins have you dried adjusting the refresh rate for nv to the max of your monitor |
| 21:38.47 | cafuego | quittt: And agpgart is slow, which is why my fx5700 is FAST? |
| 21:38.48 | zinx | sbk: exactly the same thing. |
| 21:38.56 | z1ng3r | Anyone? |
| 21:39.01 | bjenkins | i use the horiz and vert refresh rates out of the manual |
| 21:39.02 | sbk | zinx: you'd think so, wouldn't you :-) but nope. |
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| 21:39.08 | zinx | sbk: you're wrong :) |
| 21:39.09 | sbk | zinx: hence, "the perfect use for cat" |
| 21:39.11 | bjenkins | horiz is 30-70 i think |
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| 21:39.18 | bjenkins | vert is 50-150 |
| 21:39.25 | nvzn | greycat: not sure, i think i want initscript to run |
| 21:39.26 | zinx | sbk: or wget is buggy :) |
| 21:39.31 | delire | speaking of perfect uses for cat, this guy feels he's the hero: http://actsofvolition.com/archives/2005/january/thesoundofdata |
| 21:39.35 | greycat | nvzn: THEN PUT A FUCKING 1 IN IT@@ |
| 21:39.39 | greycat | s/@@/!!/ |
| 21:39.42 | sbk | zinx: bingo. got in in 2 :-) yes, wget wants to truncate stdin |
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| 21:39.56 | cafuego | greycat: Are we having fun yet? |
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| 21:40.04 | zinx | sbk: use curl? :P |
| 21:40.10 | sbk | zinx: so, in a very surprising bug, wget ... > foo works. but wget ... >> foo doesn't append |
| 21:40.11 | elephantman | How can i verify my soundcard was recognized ? |
| 21:40.12 | delire | "i discovered that you could ***actually*** send data to the sound card, 'hearing data'" (the genuis) |
| 21:40.13 | greycat | cafuego: we're just about to leave for the day, fortunately. |
| 21:40.35 | cafuego | greycat: Off to poke our eyeballs with a fish fork eh. More fun, at least. |
| 21:40.38 | elephantman | When i look in "dmesg" it looks like it was but i am not shure |
| 21:40.47 | zinx | sbk: gnu seems to be good at making utilities that are -almost- useful |
| 21:40.49 | nvzn | greycat: did you purposely go on cryptically so that you can arrive at the word FUCK IN BIG LETTERS? |
| 21:40.51 | greycat | elephantman: stop being vague. Give: Debian version, kernel version, sound card type, whether you use OSS or ALSA, and what you've done so far. |
| 21:40.56 | z1ng3r | Hey, guys: I'm getting a message saying update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/desktop-splash corrupt: manflag while I'm trying to remove a package, and the package won't remove. Google has been especially unhelpful. How can I get past this and get the package removed? |
| 21:41.08 | greycat | nvzn: there is NOTHING cryptic in any of my prior messages to you. |
| 21:41.12 | bjenkins | fusibou, any idea where i could look for clues? |
| 21:41.13 | sbk | zinx: it was pretty fun to figure out. I could not believe it was possible |
| 21:41.14 | zinx | sbk: and then there's gcal :P |
| 21:41.22 | cafuego | !vagueness |
| 21:41.24 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES ACNE! |
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| 21:41.33 | f | fuck you |
| 21:41.33 | sbk | zinx: <-- uses and loves gnu emacs, so that one program is good enough for me :) |
| 21:41.33 | ec | fuck you |
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| 21:41.34 | lztpg | fuck you |
| 21:41.34 | ip | fuck you |
| 21:41.34 | ip | fuck you |
| 21:41.34 | iyz | fuck you |
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| 21:41.34 | shygtuyds | fuck you |
| 21:41.34 | iyz | fuck you |
| 21:41.34 | shygtuyds | fuck you |
| 21:41.34 | greycat | nvzn: you're trying to do something in run level 1, and you've been adding XX:2345: entries in inittab, and I've been yelling the same damned thing over and OVER to you. |
| 21:41.35 | ec | fuck you |
| 21:41.35 | ip | fuck you |
| 21:41.35 | tqjlmblq | fuck you |
| 21:41.35 | iyz | fuck you |
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| 21:41.38 | ip | fuck you |
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| 21:41.42 | burd | NICE! |
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| 21:41.44 | ec | fuck you |
| 21:41.44 | tqjlmblq | fuck you |
| 21:41.44 | iyz | fuck you |
| 21:41.44 | lztpg | fuck you |
| 21:41.44 | ip | fuck you |
| 21:41.45 | xoxvgkbt | fuck you |
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| 21:42.20 | lilo | silly things |
| 21:42.24 | greycat | is someone from .staff.freenode k-lining those, or do I need to start banning? |
| 21:42.26 | Geert | bye bye |
| 21:42.28 | Geert | greycat: not needed |
| 21:42.30 | lilo | and there are so *few* of them 8) |
| 21:42.30 | greycat | thanks |
| 21:42.33 | Geert | already done ;) |
| 21:42.34 | lilo | greycat: glad to help |
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| 21:42.40 | cafuego | Slowly but surely freenode morphs into DalNet |
| 21:42.42 | delire | exciteable kids |
| 21:42.46 | greycat | anyway... |
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| 21:42.49 | delire | cafuego: hehe |
| 21:42.52 | quittt | damnit |
| 21:42.57 | quittt | greycat, well |
| 21:42.57 | greycat | nvzn: you're trying to do something in run level 1, and you've been adding XX:2345: entries in inittab, and I've been yelling the same damned thing over and OVER to you. You need to use a "1" for run level 1! |
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| 21:43.02 | RichiH | cafuego: heh, hardly :) |
| 21:43.07 | quittt | how do I disable agpgart? |
| 21:43.09 | DerJamster | Yay root. |
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| 21:43.15 | hvu | fuck you |
| 21:43.19 | elephantman | Linux 2.6.10.020205 #1 Tue Feb 1 20:54:19 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux | CrystalClear SoundFusion | Don't know if i use OSS or ALSA (don't even know what it is) | Just Installed alsa-base & -utils |
| 21:43.19 | hvu | fuck you |
| 21:43.20 | cafuego | quittt: Don't load the agpgart module. Sheesh. |
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| 21:43.27 | hvu | fuck you |
| 21:43.28 | lilo | let me get that one |
| 21:43.28 | greycat | lilo: missed one. |
| 21:43.29 | burd | lol |
| 21:43.30 | delire | quittt: if it's as a module rmmod it and take it out of your /etc/modules |
| 21:43.30 | bjenkins | somebody fuck ME! |
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| 21:43.32 | zinx | hah |
| 21:43.34 | quittt | cafuego, where do I disable it? |
| 21:43.35 | greycat | !fuck bjenkins |
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| 21:43.42 | vgm | fuck you |
| 21:43.43 | quittt | delire, it isnt there!! |
| 21:43.43 | bjenkins | YEE HAAAAA |
| 21:43.43 | zinx | the little proxy that could |
| 21:43.45 | Lee__ | woah, porno. |
| 21:43.46 | vgm | fuck you |
| 21:43.48 | lilo | already done 8) |
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| 21:43.49 | idnar | heh |
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| 21:43.52 | lilo | silly things |
| 21:43.58 | toubsu | Hitachi makes vibrators? |
| 21:44.00 | Geert | I got them |
| 21:44.02 | SexyKen | lol |
| 21:44.03 | nvzn | greycat: OK |
| 21:44.05 | lilo | thanks Geert |
| 21:44.05 | greycat | !hitachi vibrator |
| 21:44.06 | dpkg | hitachi vibrator is, like, http://www.libida.com/content/shop/toys/item.php?view=toys&product_id=001037 |
| 21:44.07 | idnar | it's like those arcade games where you whack crocodiles / moles / etc. with a rubber mallet |
| 21:44.09 | nvzn | greycat: FUCK YEAH |
| 21:44.09 | cafuego | quittt: /etc/modutils or /etc/hotplug*/*/blacklist |
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| 21:44.30 | fusibou | elephantman |
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| 21:44.44 | fusibou | elephantman do an lsmod and look for cs46xx and snd_cs46xx |
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| 21:45.32 | elephantman | fusibou: thanx - lsmod doesnt show anything |
| 21:45.47 | multi_io | did somebody deactivate internet sockets at compile time in gnuserv (package xemacs21)?? |
| 21:45.48 | elephantman | fusibou: like if no modules where loaded |
| 21:45.53 | multi_io | http://lists.debian.org/debian-emacsen/2004/08/msg00026.html |
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| 21:46.03 | fusibou | elephantman that means you have neither OSS (cs46xx) or ALSA (snd_cs46xx) modules; you need to choose which one and then modprobe it |
| 21:46.05 | caphuso | multi_io: check changelog.Debian? |
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| 21:46.14 | caphuso | s/ck/cked/ |
| 21:46.15 | multi_io | caphuso: thanks |
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| 21:46.27 | fusibou | elephantman you may also want to do a dmesg to see what discover did on boot to look at your sound device; are you using a laptop? |
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| 21:46.53 | multi_io | indeed :( |
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| 21:47.01 | akbusbizg | fuck you |
| 21:47.05 | akbusbizg | fuck you |
| 21:47.13 | idnar | oh boy |
| 21:47.16 | greycat | so sad. |
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| 21:47.24 | alindeman | They're still trying |
| 21:47.24 | jvsmbc | fuck you |
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| 21:47.45 | cafuego | Just K-line comcast |
| 21:47.45 | xelam|home | lol. |
| 21:47.49 | cafuego | No big loss |
| 21:47.51 | takeaction | lol |
| 21:47.51 | burd | lol |
| 21:47.54 | idnar | heh |
| 21:47.57 | elephantman | fusibou: yes i am using a laptop and dmesg shows : #0: Sound Fusion CS46xx at 0xe8122000/0xe8000000, irq 11 |
| 21:48.01 | Ether_Man | one does wonder what the hell they think they are gaining by spamming :/ |
| 21:48.04 | multi_io | isn't it, like, totally stupid to make *incompatible* changes just because there may be security changes if somebody uses a feature incorrectly? |
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| 21:48.06 | sussudio | kawfee must be feeling lonely again. |
| 21:48.10 | cafuego | Ether_Man: acne |
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| 21:48.21 | multi_io | s/changes/implications/ |
| 21:48.23 | greycat | multi_io: it's the Linux Way! |
| 21:48.30 | elephantman | fusibou: do i need to recompile the kernel to use OSS or ALSA ? |
| 21:48.33 | RichiH | bazan: better ;) |
| 21:48.35 | greycat | !kernel of gratuitous changes |
| 21:48.36 | dpkg | Linux 2.6; see <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
| 21:48.37 | fusibou | elephantman not with Debian |
| 21:48.42 | fusibou | elephantman what laptop is it |
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| 21:48.50 | simonrvn | what's with the OCD dude with the fuck yous? |
| 21:48.51 | bazan | RichiH: yes thanks |
| 21:48.51 | elephantman | fusibou: thinkpad T22 |
| 21:48.56 | cafuego | elephantman: If dmesg says that, the ALSA driver was already loaded. |
| 21:49.00 | fusibou | elephantman cool. i have a t20 and t23 |
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| 21:49.09 | greycat | simonrvn: YA scr1pt kiddie |
| 21:49.15 | elephantman | fusibou: its a great computer - very very strong |
| 21:49.24 | fusibou | elephantman i use OSS. you should be able to modprobe cs46xx then lsmod to see if it is there; it should start ac97_codec |
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| 21:49.47 | cafuego | simonrvn: Disgruntled Gentoo users. Finished his install/compile (after 4 weeks) and now doesn't know what to do with his cpu cycles. |
| 21:49.55 | minimec | ribnitz: Still there? |
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| 21:50.04 | sussudio | cafuego: kawfee uses gentoo now? |
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| 21:50.39 | elephantman | fusibou: well i don't understand something - Why isn't it enough to add my soundcard driver in the kernel like what i did ? |
| 21:50.39 | zinx | man, they're still coming? |
| 21:50.53 | fusibou | elephantman are you using a stock debian kernel |
| 21:51.06 | cafuego | zinx: Dumbs bots, they have no idea until someone reboots their machine. |
| 21:51.08 | elephantman | fusibou: i am using a downloaded 2.6.10 |
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| 21:51.22 | sussudio | in soviet russia, machine reboots you |
| 21:51.24 | RichiH | zinx: no reason for them to stop ;) |
| 21:51.29 | elephantman | fusibou: compile with make-kpkg |
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| 21:51.46 | quittt | how do I add BeOS to grub? |
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| 21:52.09 | jyqvhtwlw | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:52.11 | jyqvhtwlw | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:52.19 | quittt | shiy |
| 21:52.21 | jyqvhtwlw | i like penis no wait that's you |
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| 21:52.24 | peterS | !ops jyqvhtwlw is flooding |
| 21:52.25 | jyqvhtwlw | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:52.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jyqvhtwlw is flooding |
| 21:52.27 | fusibou | elephantman 2.6.10 is available in Debian unstable; but in order to see if the soundcard module works you have to try loading it; including it in th kernel config only makes it available |
| 21:52.28 | oeibgboa | i like penis no wait that's you |
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| 21:52.32 | oeibgboa | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:52.39 | quittt | fuck it |
| 21:52.46 | quittt | damn those troll |
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| 21:53.10 | cafuego | Was oeibgboa implying he has no penis or that he doesn't like his own? |
| 21:53.10 | burd | hell i'm on a dialup and i'm still here lol.. not very effective |
| 21:53.13 | PerfDave | I like penis. I'd have trouble urinating without mine. |
| 21:53.14 | idnar | zinx: ENLARGE YOUR SKIRPTT K1DD1333 P3NjS IN JUST 7 DAYS! |
| 21:53.17 | jvw | probably the person invoking those bots is here, and laughing his ass off? |
| 21:53.24 | Delph | PerfDave: gah. |
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| 21:53.25 | zinx | idnar: OMG WHERE 2 GIVE CC #??? |
| 21:53.32 | cafuego | jvw: Shhh! |
| 21:53.34 | LoRez | idnar: not a good thing to say when the ops are on the defensive already. |
| 21:53.35 | hitu | o.O |
| 21:53.41 | idnar | LoRez: true |
| 21:53.52 | zinx | jvw: not much to laugh at, it was a pitiful "attack" :/ |
| 21:53.55 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 21:53.55 | peterS | cafuego: clearly he is intimidated by this huge display of people with penises, in #debian |
| 21:53.56 | jvw | would be hard to find the intruder though... |
| 21:54.04 | elephantman | fusibou: ok understood - But when i insert a pcmcia module in the kernel for example its automatically loaded when i book this kernel - Why its not the same thing with my sound card drivers ? |
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| 21:54.19 | ildegar | why is it that i can't install some packages with atp-get install, but I can install those as .deb packages with dpkg -i ? |
| 21:54.22 | fusibou | elephantman that's what we're trying to find out; this is the scientific method |
| 21:54.26 | cafuego | peterS: true. We should stop slinging them about, they're much too big to do that in public, anyway. |
| 21:54.41 | vulture | ildegar: because those packages aren't in any of the sources in your sources.list |
| 21:54.49 | peterS | cafuego: yeah |
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| 21:54.54 | rplaucl | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:54.54 | rplaucl | i like penis no wait that's you |
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| 21:54.54 | xrccxnm | i like penis no wait that's you |
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| 21:54.55 | awmmmpgjtbi | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:54.55 | ah | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:54.55 | jjazz | ildegar: either those packages aren't in your sources or you have the package names wrong |
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| 21:54.56 | bel | i like penis no wait that's you |
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| 21:54.57 | oxb | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:54.57 | oxb | i like penis no wait that's you |
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| 21:55.00 | zpmhbw | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:55.02 | ildegar | vulture, says only it's not installable |
| 21:55.03 | ah | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:55.03 | TheTom | :) |
| 21:55.04 | zpmhbw | i like penis no wait that's you |
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| 21:55.04 | gtzbnbb | i like penis no wait that's you |
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| 21:55.07 | ah | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:55.11 | Lorvija | wtf :E |
| 21:55.11 | cafuego | Ok, K-Line *.net |
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| 21:55.13 | qrmlbkxfidoy | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:55.13 | Ronin | i see preschool is out again |
| 21:55.18 | cafuego | and .com |
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| 21:55.20 | eabuqyrzgm | i like penis no wait that's you |
| 21:55.30 | cafuego | and all of europe |
| 21:55.32 | elephantman | fusibou: ok - How do i know what is the right synthax after "insmod...." |
| 21:55.33 | takeaction | lol |
| 21:55.39 | war- | Latex in Sarge is butchered? ! LaTeX Error: File `comment.sty' not found. - Type X to quit or <RETURN> to proceed, - or enter new name. (Default extension: sty)Lat |
| 21:55.43 | elephantman | this is boring |
| 21:55.47 | fusibou | elephantman try modprobe first |
| 21:55.53 | directhex | great. a zombie net being used to talk about penis. LOVELY -_- |
| 21:55.59 | cafuego | elephantman: yes, it's exceedingly tedious. |
| 21:56.05 | zinx | niski joined shortly before the attack, is only in #debian, and hasn't said anything. niski has never been in #debian before. :P~ |
| 21:56.17 | sbk | quittt: have you tried the standard "chainload" already to boot beos? |
| 21:56.18 | peterS | directhex: apparently the market for spam zombies is down right now, so they have to find something else to do with their time |
| 21:56.29 | elephantman | fusibou: ok but "modprobe what" |
| 21:56.33 | simonrvn | niski [~niski@niski.yok.utu.fi] |
| 21:56.42 | fusibou | elephantman modprobe cs46xx as I mentioned before |
| 21:56.48 | directhex | peterS, the market is down? i thought it was booming!# |
| 21:56.51 | elephantman | fusibou: ok sorry |
| 21:56.52 | LSorensen | war-: do you hve tetex-extra installed? |
| 21:56.53 | simonrvn | niski: wanna say something before you get k-lined? :) |
| 21:57.02 | jjazz | war-: Latex works for me |
| 21:57.03 | cafuego | !directhexsmite Penis |
| 21:57.03 | peterS | directhex: maybe there's more supply than demand, though |
| 21:57.06 | simonrvn | ;P |
| 21:57.08 | elephantman | fusibou: FATAL: Module off not found. |
| 21:57.13 | Lorvija | dont kline *.fi :/ |
| 21:57.14 | _AleX_ | hi all ... I've updated a stable system for use the module-init-tools package and a 2.6.10 kernel. But i've a problem : before the update, the previous modprobe (from the modutils package) return a error code if I was trying to insert a "bad" module ... with the new modprobe, it's load all modules and always return a 0 (success) .. an idea ? |
| 21:57.16 | sussudio | Penix? |
| 21:57.20 | fusibou | elephantman do a uname -ar |
| 21:57.29 | simonrvn | fusibou: uname -r |
| 21:57.33 | elephantman | fusibou: do i need to be in a particular dir to do this ? |
| 21:57.33 | FieldySnuts | a implies r |
| 21:57.35 | LSorensen | _AleX_: that's how 2.6 does things |
| 21:57.42 | zinx | ailas also fits that description though |
| 21:57.45 | fusibou | elephantman no |
| 21:57.53 | directhex | _AleX_, an idea would be not to use 2.6 on woody. |
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| 21:57.59 | simonrvn | fusibou: they,d know if they bothered to read the --help |
| 21:57.59 | elephantman | fusibou: Linux fireball 2.6.10.020205 #1 Tue Feb 1 20:54:19 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:58.01 | _AleX_ | directhex: why ? |
| 21:58.03 | simonrvn | fusibou: sorry |
| 21:58.10 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: they'd know if they bothered to read the --help |
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| 21:58.26 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: indeed |
| 21:58.27 | LSorensen | _AleX_: 2.6 kernels don't fail to load modules. I suspect since with hotplug pci the drive might actaully have a purpose later so having it loaded makes sense even if no matching device is currently found |
| 21:58.31 | _AleX_ | directhex: i've used many woody backports, 2.6.10 seems to work good |
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| 21:59.04 | LSorensen | _AleX_: it is a feature of 2.6 kernels I believe. You can always run lsmod and if usage count of hte module is 0, it probably isn't in use |
| 21:59.05 | delire-dinner | what's with the pr0nbots? |
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| 21:59.24 | LoRez | delire: porn bots? |
| 21:59.25 | elephantman | what is the command to load modules at runtime ? |
| 21:59.28 | _AleX_ | LSorensen: for example, i don't have a de4x5 card, but the module load it without problem ... try it on a 2.4 kernel, you'll have a error code |
| 21:59.31 | fusibou | elephantman you can look in your /lib/modules/kernel_version/ etc directory tree to find the sound module; i think it would be far easier to just use a prepackaged kernel. why not apt-get install synaptic and choose one and go from there |
| 22:00.13 | asuffield | LoRez: they're already dead, proxies |
| 22:00.15 | _AleX_ | LSorensen: no special option with modprobe for check that ? (and return a error if the hardware is not present?) |
| 22:00.29 | delire | LoRez: maybe you're not being messaged "-zpmhbw:#debian- i like penis no wait that's you" |
| 22:00.35 | peterS | I wonder what the de4x5 module is still useful for. are there any such cards that don't work better with the tulip module, I wonder |
| 22:00.43 | LoRez | delire: yeah, those aren't porn bots. |
| 22:00.48 | FieldySnuts | that was earlier |
| 22:00.53 | _AleX_ | directhex: if you want a good sata support, you must use a 2.6 kernel .. |
| 22:01.04 | peterS | i like being /noticed no wait that's you |
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| 22:01.09 | FieldySnuts | peterS: heh |
| 22:01.09 | directhex | !woody harwdare support |
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| 22:01.14 | delire | if you want goo sata support, buy an IDE |
| 22:01.15 | syslogd_ | need an xorg deb package. Anyone got a link? |
| 22:01.16 | simonrvn | @lart peterS |
| 22:01.18 | directhex | !woody hardware support |
| 22:01.18 | dpkg | from memory, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 22:01.21 | LoRez | asuffield: they presently seem to be stress testing the +J on the channel :) |
| 22:01.27 | delire | LoRez: right.. |
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| 22:01.35 | neom | I tried to get gnome, buuuuuut, I got the error "e: invalid operation ubstakk" |
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| 22:01.41 | asuffield | LoRez: 's what it's for |
| 22:01.51 | Araldit | How can I make the binaries on a mountet cdrom executable. Now it is readonly. |
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| 22:01.58 | simonrvn | wtf is an ubstakk |
| 22:02.06 | _AleX_ | directhex: what is the problem of using a 2.6 kernel with a woody base with many backports ? |
| 22:02.10 | [Granger] | where do I go if I want to change which modules debian load at boot time? |
| 22:02.14 | delire | yes, what is an ubstakk |
| 22:02.19 | xenoduck | [Granger]: /etc/modules |
| 22:02.19 | cafuego | _AleX_: Security, mainly. |
| 22:02.20 | delire | one of the smurfs i believe |
| 22:02.20 | neom | oooooooooooooops |
| 22:02.22 | peterS | _AleX_: mainly, it's pointless, compared to just running sarge |
| 22:02.23 | elephantman | fusibou: cause everything works fine except this |
| 22:02.25 | neom | I typoed on install |
| 22:02.27 | neom | hahahahah |
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| 22:02.52 | _AleX_ | I'm a bit afraid of running a working server with a sarge release ... I don't ? |
| 22:02.52 | zOap | hey, when i need to open debconf, what do i type in terminal? |
| 22:02.52 | delire | . |
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| 22:02.57 | ailas | zinx: wtf? |
| 22:02.59 | elephantman | fusibou: you are true, next time i will use a prepackaged one |
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| 22:03.24 | zinx | ailas: just being paranoid and mentioning names that fit the "let's watch the fun" description |
| 22:03.26 | [Granger] | xenoduck: the module I'm looking for doesn't seem to be in there |
| 22:03.36 | fusibou | elephantman have to look in your /lib/modules/kernelversion/blah/blah tree to find the sound driver cs46xx then insmod it with the entire path to try to get it working |
| 22:04.01 | zinx | ailas: so the opers can keep a closer eye ;) |
| 22:04.04 | zOap | fusibou, you know what to type in terminal to open debconf? |
| 22:04.09 | bwlang | anybody have experience with a 3ware acelerATA card (pretty old)... How slow is this card? |
| 22:04.15 | delire | very |
| 22:04.33 | RichiH | that's a pretty funny name for a graphics card |
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| 22:04.52 | delire | 3Where |
| 22:04.52 | bwlang | RichiH: it's a raid card... not a graphics card |
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| 22:05.01 | delire | soon to become FreeWare |
| 22:05.03 | [Granger] | basically I have a wireless network card on the laptop |
| 22:05.09 | fusibou | zOap http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=debconf&version=unstable&arch=all |
| 22:05.09 | cafuego | bwlang: What sort of speed? ATA100? |
| 22:05.11 | [Granger] | and I want to stop debian from loading the module everytime I boot |
| 22:05.11 | adjacent | is there a debianized version of the ebtables ethernet bridging kernel patch for 2.4? |
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| 22:05.16 | zinx | RichiH: SCSI FX 6800 sound any better? |
| 22:05.22 | elephantman | fusibou: i only have a very few things is this dir, and nothing related to sound |
| 22:05.23 | delire | ebtables? |
| 22:05.28 | RichiH | bwlang: then it's a nice name. i was wondering about the ATA in a gfx card, mainly :) |
| 22:05.32 | Araldit | How can I make the binaries on a mountet cdrom executable. Now it is readonly. |
| 22:05.35 | simonrvn | zinx: ehehe |
| 22:05.35 | zOap | fusibou, thnx |
| 22:05.36 | bwlang | bwlang: it doesn't list a speed... i suspect ATA/66 |
| 22:05.39 | RichiH | zinx: hehe |
| 22:05.42 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:05.42 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 22:05.57 | adjacent | delire: ethernet bridging. |
| 22:06.01 | elephantman | fusibou: thanx for the help - i will use no sound |
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| 22:06.19 | fusibou | elephantman |
| 22:06.20 | bwlang | delire: right now i have a really crappy promise ide raid card... i'm looking at this as an upgrade |
| 22:06.30 | elephantman | fusibou: yes ? |
| 22:06.46 | fusibou | elephantman my path (example) is /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/oss/cs46xx.ko |
| 22:06.47 | adjacent | delire: for transparent bridges to apply QoS i need to watch traffic, but iptables doesnt see the physical network layer. which is all you do when you bridge two interfaces. |
| 22:06.50 | paulswm | Araldit: it's in the mount, I think, man mount and see if there's an option to set perms on mount |
| 22:06.57 | cafuego | bwlang: omg, that's thing is the size of an ISA EGA card |
| 22:07.02 | delire | hehe apt-get moo. using debian for 6 years and never have i mooed |
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| 22:07.11 | fusibou | elephantman you would need to explore the same directory but with your kernel version then insmod that whole path/file |
| 22:07.11 | Araldit | paulswm: K. |
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| 22:07.13 | conor | E: Couldn't find package moo |
| 22:07.19 | ailas | zinx: i don't understand sorry |
| 22:07.21 | conor | :( what a pity eh? |
| 22:07.23 | bwlang | cafuego: yeah - it's a huge ass card... |
| 22:07.23 | simonrvn | conor: apt-get moo |
| 22:07.34 | delire | .. |
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| 22:07.48 | cafuego | bwlang: To be honest, get a decent speed plain ATA card and use kernel software raid. |
| 22:07.52 | conor | simonrvn: oh ho, my mistake - lol |
| 22:07.53 | kalgal | hi.. I have the dumbest question ever probably.. I want the netinst cd images for a pc laptop, which do I get? like i386? |
| 22:07.53 | nvz | !pity delire for not mooing |
| 22:07.54 | elephantman | fusibou: yes i understood - but there is nothing related to sound in this place. |
| 22:07.54 | dpkg | I pity da fool delire for not mooing! |
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| 22:08.12 | fusibou | elephantman that means you didn't compile the cs46xx kernel module |
| 22:08.18 | FieldySnuts | s/pity/pitty/ |
| 22:08.19 | elephantman | fusibou: i think i forgot to include a module before kernel compilation |
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| 22:08.36 | DuckInWater | whats s/pity/pitty means? |
| 22:08.40 | fusibou | elephantman mystery solved |
| 22:08.42 | FieldySnuts | man sed |
| 22:08.49 | bwlang | cafuego: not an option for me... i need to boot from this device |
| 22:08.51 | elephantman | fusibou: how can i see the option on "Y" in my .config ? |
| 22:09.18 | fusibou | elephantman you can use xconfig or just cat the .config | grep CS46XX |
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| 22:09.32 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 22:09.37 | simonrvn | @lart xconfig |
| 22:09.40 | cafuego | bwlang: There's no reason you can't boot from a sw raid array. |
| 22:09.43 | bwlang | DuckInWater: it means replace pity with pitty - which doens't really make sense... |
| 22:09.48 | fusibou | elephantman it would be a lot easier to use a prepackaged kernel |
| 22:09.55 | elephantman | fusibou: CONFIG_SND_CS46XX=y |
| 22:10.11 | elephantman | fusibou: yes but i learn more by doing this |
| 22:10.13 | fusibou | elephantman snd_cs46xx is the alsa module only |
| 22:10.17 | bwlang | cafuego: other than the fact that grub or lilo has to be able to read the kernel image... and can't. |
| 22:10.25 | fusibou | elephantman we were trying to load the OSS module |
| 22:10.39 | bwlang | cafuego: mirror excepted... |
| 22:10.40 | simonrvn | bwlang: other than the fact you need an initrd to boot from s/w raid... |
| 22:10.48 | fusibou | elephantman you can always try modprobe snd_cs46xx |
| 22:10.49 | FieldySnuts | bwlang: it can be done, but i prefer to just keep one partition per disk non-raid and boot off that (/boot) |
| 22:10.54 | cafuego | bwlang: So configure lilo or grub properly. LILO has specific options for this kind of thing. |
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| 22:11.10 | cafuego | bwlang: You after raid5? |
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| 22:11.17 | bwlang | cafuego: only for mirrors... nothing knows how to read raid10 or raid5 |
| 22:11.37 | delire | <cough> |
| 22:11.45 | elephantman | fusibou: but this module isn't under /lib/modules/2.6.10.020205/kernel/drivers/ |
| 22:11.54 | cafuego | bwlang: Little /boot partition somewhere should sort that. |
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| 22:12.32 | kalgal | hi..I want the netinst cd images for a pc laptop, which do I get? i386? |
| 22:12.43 | bwlang | cafuego: well - if i'm trying to avoid down time it doesn't make much sense to have a single non-redundant partion to hold the kernel.. if i lose that disk i can't reboot. |
| 22:12.49 | directhex | !i386 |
| 22:12.49 | fusibou | elephantman can't help you there; if you do kernel compilation manually you compile kernel then modules and you would see any problems if the module compilation barfed somewhere |
| 22:12.49 | dpkg | hmm... i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
| 22:13.22 | fusibou | !i686 |
| 22:13.33 | elephantman | fusibou: ok thanx for you help |
| 22:13.39 | kalgal | thanks |
| 22:13.45 | fusibou | kalgal what laptop is it |
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| 22:14.02 | kalgal | fusibou: ibm thinkpad t30 |
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| 22:14.15 | cafuego | bwlang: floppy |
| 22:14.21 | fusibou | kalgal you'll want i686; you have good taste; i have a t20 and t23 |
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| 22:14.36 | directhex | fusibou, which i686 debian install cd is that exactly? |
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| 22:14.51 | fusibou | directhex don't attract attention to my ignorance |
| 22:14.53 | kalgal | fusibou: best laptop ever.. where do I get i686? i don't see it on the debian.org page |
| 22:15.17 | fusibou | kalgal directhex i was thinking of kernel |
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| 22:15.33 | directhex | fusibou, so explain your mistake to the person in question. |
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| 22:15.42 | fusibou | directhex didn't i just? |
| 22:15.46 | lord_rob | sarge doesn't run on 386 ? is it compiled with 486 extensions ? |
| 22:15.50 | fusibou | apt-get elitist-asshole reduction |
| 22:15.59 | charolastra | hahahah |
| 22:16.03 | eflynn | hehehehe |
| 22:16.15 | eflynn | kudos to fusibou |
| 22:16.18 | delire | hmm this looks promising. Lawrence Lessig is a smart chat http://www.softwarefreedom.org/index.html |
| 22:16.21 | kalgal | i'm lost. <- never used anything but windows until now |
| 22:16.26 | directhex | lord_rob, it could run on 386 with 486 emulation patches in the kernel, but those are insecure & unsupported |
| 22:16.34 | directhex | kalgal, you want i386 sarge. |
| 22:16.36 | fusibou | kalgal use i386 cd |
| 22:16.39 | directhex | !tell kalgal about d-i |
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| 22:16.48 | kalgal | ok thanks |
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| 22:16.57 | Glitch | Heya... |
| 22:17.15 | cafuego | kalgal: Get he i386 CD, install with that. You can add an optimised i686 kernel later (it's not critical and you'll probably not notice any difference) |
| 22:17.18 | Glitch | How would I go about detecting and mounting a USB removable storage device? (Flash-based MP3 player) |
| 22:17.31 | cafuego | Glitch: it's /dev/sdX |
| 22:17.36 | Glitch | Oh? |
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| 22:17.43 | lord_rob | directhex: hmmm ok |
| 22:17.52 | zinx | /dev/ubX here, but i'm running 2.6.10 |
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| 22:17.59 | zinx | and udev |
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| 22:18.18 | minimec | Glitch: have a look at your dmesg . There you have all the infirmation you need. |
| 22:18.20 | delire | kalgal: because debian linux runs on many different processor architectures there is a need to choose an install CD based on the architecture you are running. 'i386' is short for a very popular Intel processsor arch. |
| 22:18.53 | Glitch | mount: can't find /dev/sdX in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 22:19.04 | cafuego | Glitch: Indeed. |
| 22:19.06 | kalgal | delire- i figured but wanted to make sure |
| 22:19.08 | kalgal | thanks all |
| 22:19.19 | Glitch | cafuego: That also happened when I tried to mount "/dev/cdrom"... which shouldn't happen... |
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| 22:19.50 | cafuego | Glitch: Did you ever ADD /dev/cdrom to fstab and/or make sure /dev/cdrom linmks to your actual cd device? |
| 22:19.52 | simonrvn | @lart udev for not creating /dev/md1 |
| 22:19.52 | minimec | Glitch: you have to add it yourself. take fd0 device as example. That should work |
| 22:19.53 | delire | Glitch: are you using devfs? if it's a usbstick you might want to try udev |
| 22:19.54 | Glitch | I switched my existing CD-RW drive to SCSI from ATAPI, because... well.. Linux doesn't really like ATAPI... |
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| 22:20.08 | Glitch | It was under it before... |
| 22:20.29 | fusibou | Glitch Atapi should work with a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:20.33 | Glitch | Heh.. |
| 22:20.39 | Glitch | I have a 2.6 kernel... Meh.. |
| 22:20.41 | Glitch | Regardless... |
| 22:20.49 | Glitch | It's SCSI now, and I'm not changing it. |
| 22:20.53 | lord_rob | kalgal: so you want to install debian and never used linux before ? |
| 22:20.54 | Glitch | Moving on.. |
| 22:20.57 | delire | Glitch: try udev |
| 22:21.01 | cafuego | fusibou: yah, but cdrecord complains about how dumb you are to be using ATA at every step along the way. |
| 22:21.03 | Glitch | lord_rob: I did that. :P |
| 22:21.20 | Glitch | lord_rob: Of course... I learn quickly. |
| 22:21.27 | fusibou | cafuego i'm a nautilus burner dork |
| 22:21.37 | FieldySnuts | gui pansies |
| 22:21.48 | Glitch | delire: udev returns nothing. |
| 22:22.15 | lord_rob | Glitch: sure it IS possible but needs some patience, and it is not compatible with the windows "click-here-and-see" attitude :) |
| 22:22.37 | delire | Glitch: install it, it's a far more sensible means of dealing with devices |
| 22:22.48 | FieldySnuts | @fuck udev |
| 22:22.55 | delire | aw comeon |
| 22:23.03 | Glitch | lord_rob: Ah. Well, I adapted to the bash usage quickly. |
| 22:23.09 | delire | ravenbird: clearly you love it |
| 22:23.10 | ravenbird | delire: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:23.17 | blowfish | in apache2 in debian where is the default cgi-bin directory? |
| 22:23.20 | cafuego | fusibou: afaik that uses cdrecord anyway |
| 22:23.21 | blowfish | is it /usr/lib/cgi-bin? |
| 22:23.27 | Gil | blowfish: ya |
| 22:23.27 | delire | ravenbird: apt-cache show udev |
| 22:23.28 | ravenbird | delire: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:23.36 | FieldySnuts | @moron delire |
| 22:23.38 | ravenbird | delire: You are moron #38 |
| 22:23.38 | fusibou | cafuego yes but a gui protects me from all the scary messages |
| 22:23.45 | cafuego | fusibou: <heh> |
| 22:23.58 | blowfish | Gil and /var/www/cgi-bin should be symlink to that folder? |
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| 22:24.02 | lord_rob | Glitch: that said, I came to debian with that windows "click-and-see" attitude, having tried mandrake and suse before |
| 22:24.06 | simonrvn | scary? more like useful |
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| 22:24.09 | cafuego | fusibou: grep syslog for "YOU SUCK! YOU USE ATAPI! SHEESH, GET A CLUE!!!" ;-) |
| 22:24.09 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: typical gui pansy, hidden from errors, pretend the world is cute and perfect |
| 22:24.10 | Glitch | delire: What sort of driver? A general USB storage device driver or something? |
| 22:24.15 | joerg | blowfish: stefan? ;) |
| 22:24.20 | Gil | blowfish: no.. there should be a ScriptAlias directive somewhere in your apache2 config |
| 22:24.30 | Gil | blowfish: the symlink is unnecessary |
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| 22:24.43 | _kodiak_ | hi |
| 22:24.45 | simonrvn | blowfish: w3m /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/ |
| 22:24.48 | blowfish | joebob2000 nope |
| 22:24.53 | lord_rob | Glitch: and I realised debian did not work this way :) |
| 22:24.56 | _kodiak_ | anybody speak spanish and inglish correctly? |
| 22:25.02 | Glitch | lord_rob: Snicker. |
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| 22:25.08 | Glitch | lord_rob: err... *snicker* |
| 22:25.26 | Glitch | Anyhoo... |
| 22:25.30 | delire | Glitch: with udev a usbstick will come up as /dev/uba1 |
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| 22:26.14 | simonrvn | udev on a cluestick |
| 22:26.19 | Glitch | delire: Heh... Well this isn't quite a USB stick, I guess... I thought it read similarly, as it previously worked with Windows "removable storage device" drivers... |
| 22:26.21 | delire | Glitch: yes but you need the usb-storage driver, also scsi_mod perhaps |
| 22:26.36 | delire | Glitch: any usb memory device should work |
| 22:26.41 | abrotman | !usb-storage |
| 22:26.41 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 22:26.44 | caphuso | or that weird ub module |
| 22:26.57 | Glitch | delire: Okay... but... um... How to load those modules? >_>; |
| 22:27.20 | fusibou | Glitch with udev and hal, my system picks up usb sticks and card readers and automounts; discover autoloads the modules on boot i think |
| 22:27.21 | delire | Glitch: modprobe -l | grep usb_storage sd |
| 22:27.29 | delire | Glitch: at least see if you have them |
| 22:27.48 | delire | Glitch: install udev, a cleaner system with sensible defaults |
| 22:27.53 | Glitch | No sd, but usb_storage read... I think.. |
| 22:28.01 | gturner | whoa... shfs rocks for dealing with stupid solaris boxes that have no decent free-software installed on them |
| 22:28.05 | gturner | !!! |
| 22:28.05 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 22:28.12 | FieldySnuts | how irritating. got my new camera to show up like that yesterday, now I can't |
| 22:28.14 | sunai | can anybody point me to a good howto/manual on the format of logcheck rule files? |
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| 22:28.32 | delire | ravenbird: You are moron #3 |
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| 22:28.33 | ravenbird | delire: what are you talking about? |
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| 22:28.52 | delire | ravenbird: que? |
| 22:28.54 | ravenbird | delire: i don't know |
| 22:29.01 | FieldySnuts | it's a bot, smart guy |
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| 22:29.08 | delire | i know, just jiving |
| 22:29.08 | directhex | ~turing test |
| 22:29.09 | apt | i got 9/10 !, or a test to see if an AI construct can convince a human that it is a human. |
| 22:29.17 | Glitch | delire: There is no "sd" module, but usb_storage exists. |
| 22:29.31 | FieldySnuts | you might mean sd_mod |
| 22:29.33 | juhov | try sd_mod |
| 22:29.35 | delire | Glitch: perhaps you have it compiled into the kernel |
| 22:29.49 | FieldySnuts | @lart confusing module names |
| 22:29.49 | Glitch | delire: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/sd_mod.ko |
| 22:29.51 | Glitch | Got it. |
| 22:30.15 | Glitch | delire: So... how to load modules? |
| 22:30.25 | Glitch | delire: modprobe -l ? |
| 22:30.27 | delire | Glitch: modprobe <modulename> |
| 22:30.52 | delire | Glitch: or insmod <modulename>. though modprobe will often grab dependent modules |
| 22:31.28 | Glitch | delire: 'kay... Since there were no arguments or errors, I'm assuming that they are now loaded. |
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| 22:31.51 | fusibou | Glitch don't assume do an lsmod and look |
| 22:31.59 | delire | Glitch: lsmod | grep sd |
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| 22:32.18 | FieldySnuts | in the future, consider modprobe -v blah |
| 22:32.36 | FieldySnuts | and you want to be watching logs when doing this, very helpful |
| 22:33.05 | delire | Glitch: breaking it down 'lsmod' = "list modules". '|' = pass to another program. 'grep' = filter. |
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| 22:33.12 | FieldySnuts | ow |
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| 22:33.15 | cafuego | 'sues |
| 22:33.30 | cafuego | dumbass autocorrect |
| 22:33.44 | fusibou | just put FieldySnuts on your ignore list |
| 22:33.45 | Glitch | delire: Loaded. Will these load automatically on boot, out of curiosity? Also.. should I try mounting /dev/sda now? |
| 22:33.51 | FieldySnuts | fusibou: :( |
| 22:34.00 | delire | Glitch: edit /etc/modules |
| 22:34.10 | quittt | can I install a package from Sid in Sarge? |
| 22:34.33 | delire | Glitch: /etc/modules is a text file that contains a list of modules you want to load on boot. |
| 22:34.40 | streuner__ | quittt: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:34.55 | Glitch | "Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/modules" -- using "application/*" \ Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*" " |
| 22:34.57 | [Granger] | umm |
| 22:35.03 | [Granger] | how do I stop a module from loading at boot? |
| 22:35.07 | [Granger] | it isn't in /etc/modules |
| 22:35.10 | Glitch | delire: I just nano things... |
| 22:35.19 | delire | Glitch: /etc/fstab stands for "FileSystem Table" this is where your mount points are defined. |
| 22:35.27 | fusibou | [Granger] add it to /etc/discover.conf and /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 22:35.35 | [Granger] | fusibou: did that |
| 22:35.39 | [Granger] | still doesn't do anything |
| 22:35.43 | [Granger] | still loads the driver upon boot |
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| 22:35.54 | [Granger] | added the module name "ipw2100" to blacklist |
| 22:35.59 | fusibou | [Granger] that means that another module uses the ones you have blacklisted |
| 22:36.05 | [Granger] | and put skip ipw2100 in discover.conf |
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| 22:36.18 | [Granger] | fusibou: hmm how do I find out? |
| 22:36.20 | fusibou | [Granger] you need to blacklist the parent/calling module |
| 22:36.40 | fusibou | [Granger] what is "ipw2100"? |
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| 22:36.47 | [Granger] | Intel Wireless Nic |
| 22:36.51 | [Granger] | (laptop machine) |
| 22:36.53 | delire | fusibou: centrino wireless module |
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| 22:37.11 | [Granger] | delire: did you manage to disable it in your machine? |
| 22:37.12 | fusibou | [Granger] if you look at dmesg you can probably see the chain ie. the module before it loads your wireless one |
| 22:37.15 | Glitch | delire: Do I need to specify mount points for this device? |
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| 22:37.33 | delire | [Granger]: disable what? |
| 22:37.49 | delire | Glitch: yes, if you want to 'mount /usb' or whatever |
| 22:37.54 | fusibou | [Granger] it might also be the starting of your /etc/init.d/networking service that loads the module |
| 22:38.12 | [Granger] | ieee80211_crypt |
| 22:38.15 | Glitch | delire: Shouldn't I just see if mount /etc/sda works first? |
| 22:38.21 | [Granger] | that's right before ipw2100 |
| 22:38.31 | delire | Glitch: /etc/sda? |
| 22:38.37 | Glitch | delire: err.. /dev/sda |
| 22:38.38 | delire | Glitch: i think you mean /dev/sda |
| 22:38.40 | fusibou | [Granger] naw, crypt ain;t it..... look at my networking comment. if you remove networking from your default runlevel and start it manually you may be ok |
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| 22:39.30 | fusibou | [Granger] to test this, you would remove the wireless module then try /etc/init.d/./networking restart then check if the modules loaded again |
| 22:39.57 | [Granger] | alright |
| 22:39.57 | Glitch | delire: /dev/sda doesn't exist... I tried variations like sda1 and such, too. |
| 22:40.00 | [Granger] | let's see |
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| 22:40.27 | [Granger] | nope, not networking |
| 22:40.34 | Glitch | delire: Is there anything special I have to do when adding this to /etc/fstab? |
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| 22:41.27 | [Granger] | all the networking script does is initialize already loaded modules |
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| 22:42.06 | Glitch | delire: Shouldn't that device location work? It argues that it isn't listed and doesn't exist... It isn't the default/standard/whatever loacation? If not, then what is? |
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| 22:43.24 | [Granger] | fusibou: the networking script isn't at fault here I'm afraid |
| 22:43.25 | [Granger] | :/ |
| 22:43.50 | delire | Glitch: i have /dev/uba1 /mnt vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 22:43.59 | directhex | !magic hate ball |
| 22:44.04 | Glitch | delire: 'kay. I'll try that. |
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| 22:44.43 | fusibou | [Granger] when you boot, do you see things noted as blacklisted |
| 22:44.51 | delire | Glitch: that works for my camera, usbstick, external usb drive |
| 22:45.43 | [Granger] | let me check my syslog |
| 22:45.56 | Glitch | delire: /dev/usb1 isn't anything, is it? I'd like to use that... |
| 22:46.04 | nvz | I didnt realize I slept this long.. its sunday again already |
| 22:46.11 | juhov | moving the module away from /lib/modules/whatever would be a quick workaround, though not much of an elegant solution |
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| 22:46.30 | Glitch | nvz: ...It's tuesday... |
| 22:46.37 | sussudio | !tuesday |
| 22:46.37 | dpkg | it has been said that tuesday is soylent green day |
| 22:46.42 | nvz | Glitch: yeah well my backlog looks like sunday |
| 22:46.45 | eflynn | !monday\ |
| 22:46.51 | sussudio | !permasunday |
| 22:46.52 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
| 22:46.58 | Glitch | nvz: Your backlog is lying, and plotting to kill you. |
| 22:47.05 | eflynn | !monday |
| 22:47.05 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 22:47.10 | eflynn | !wednesday |
| 22:47.10 | dpkg | from memory, wednesday is see thursday |
| 22:47.15 | nvz | Glitch: seems like its trying to enlarge my penis from what I gather |
| 22:47.15 | eflynn | !thursday |
| 22:47.15 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent) |
| 22:47.28 | eflynn | !sunday |
| 22:47.28 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:47.35 | Glitch | nvz: It's still lying to you. Be wary. |
| 22:47.39 | sleepynat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.56 | [Granger] | wonderful |
| 22:48.02 | [Granger] | syslog makes no mention of the module |
| 22:48.31 | eflynn | !fight |
| 22:48.48 | Glitch | !rape |
| 22:48.49 | dpkg | vt. 1. To screw someone or something, violently; in particular, to destroy a program or information irrecoverably. Often used in describing file-system damage. "So-and-so was running a program that did absolute disk I/O and ended up raping the master directory." 2. To strip a piece of hardware for parts. |
| 22:48.49 | nvz | apt person is also a meat popcicle |
| 22:48.50 | apt | okay, nvz |
| 22:48.54 | eflynn | !slap apt |
| 22:49.07 | eflynn | !whip dpkg |
| 22:49.12 | nvz | apt, person? |
| 22:49.13 | apt | person is probably like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popcicle |
| 22:49.27 | Glitch | apt, moo? |
| 22:49.28 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 22:49.32 | Glitch | An infobot. Nifty. :D |
| 22:49.38 | Glitch | My other server has one. |
| 22:49.40 | nvz | Glitch: blootbot |
| 22:49.46 | Glitch | Oh? |
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| 22:49.51 | Glitch | It behaves like an infobot.. |
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| 22:49.58 | Glitch | Or is blootbot an infobot |
| 22:49.59 | Glitch | ? |
| 22:50.06 | nvz | Glitch: /msg dpkg blootbot |
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| 22:50.37 | cafuego | apt, person =~ s/pop/pops/g |
| 22:50.37 | apt | cafuego: OK |
| 22:50.44 | cafuego | dpkg, person =~ s/pop/pops/g |
| 22:50.44 | dpkg | cafuego: that doesn't contain 'pop' |
| 22:50.47 | cafuego | ok then |
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| 22:51.21 | delire | Glitch: try 'ls /dev/uba*' |
| 22:51.23 | fusibou | [Granger] if you've properly added to discover.conf (ie. skip ipw2100) and blacklist then all i can think of is a service or another module is loading it; it will take some observation on a booti guess |
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| 22:51.28 | [Granger] | fusibou: it just says kernel: ipw2100 Intel(R) Pro/Wireless 2100 Network Driver 1.0.3 |
| 22:51.32 | darkskiez | anyone have an Asus K8V board? i cant see my ide port. :( I can see 4 sata ports and 2x via ide, but not the third ide :/ |
| 22:51.51 | [Granger] | hmm alright |
| 22:51.54 | [Granger] | thanks anyway |
| 22:52.04 | [Granger] | I guess I can always put a script at the very end of the boot process |
| 22:52.08 | [Granger] | telling it to kill the module |
| 22:53.54 | Glitch | delire: I didn't list it as /dev/uba yet. I wanted to try /dev/usb1, if that's not something already. |
| 22:54.08 | delire | Glitch: whatever works |
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| 22:54.45 | Madeye | Hi, gus, How to connect to remotly to a server SSH but not using the default port? because my company have change it from 22 to something else. |
| 22:55.04 | caphuso | Madeye: man ssh |
| 22:55.07 | fusibou | Madeye change /etc/ssh/ssh_config and adjust port to right # |
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| 22:55.10 | Glitch | delire: I haven't mounted it. "mount: special device /dev/uba1 does not exist" |
| 22:55.12 | nvz | Madeye: man ssh |
| 22:55.21 | nvz | fusibou: read the question |
| 22:55.24 | nvz | heh |
| 22:55.37 | delire | Glitch: sure ok. |
| 22:55.52 | nvz | ssh manpage covers it all |
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| 22:56.02 | Madeye | nvz, I have tried "ssh -l madeye -D 2456 IPaddress" but wont work |
| 22:56.09 | delire | Madeye: if you don't know the port you could try portscanning them (and be fired) |
| 22:56.26 | caphuso | Madeye: did you read the description of the -D option? |
| 22:56.36 | delire | or that |
| 22:56.37 | Madeye | delire, I know the port, my problem its not the default port |
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| 22:56.50 | delire | Madeye: good'o |
| 22:56.57 | nvz | Madeye: read the manpage then, cause it sasy -p port, Port to connect to on the remote host. |
| 22:57.24 | caphuso | -D is all about _portforwarding_ |
| 22:57.30 | nvz | Madeye: also says "This can be specified on a per-host basis in the configuration file. |
| 22:57.37 | eddyp | how can I disable the touchpad while typing? I know there is an app that does this... |
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| 22:57.55 | caphuso | nvz: wanna bet that he stopped reading after the first mentioning of "port" in the synopsis? |
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| 22:58.06 | nvz | caphuso: heh, yeah no kidding |
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| 22:58.13 | saerdna | andreas@pineapple:~$ auto whatever |
| 22:58.13 | saerdna | bash: auto: command not found |
| 22:58.14 | delire | eddyp: tpconfig |
| 22:58.20 | saerdna | iproute is installed |
| 22:58.22 | saerdna | :O |
| 22:58.24 | Glitch | delire: ...? |
| 22:58.31 | eddyp | delire: THANKS |
| 22:58.33 | delire | Glitch: yes? |
| 22:59.02 | delire | Glitch: i don't know where you are upto with the problem and i am reasonably pickled on belgian beer |
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| 22:59.18 | saerdna | bash: iface: command not found |
| 22:59.19 | saerdna | wtf |
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| 22:59.39 | lu | any kernel compilers? |
| 22:59.53 | Glitch | delire: Well... you're working from memory... just take the thoughts slow. Knowledge isn't intelligence, you know. |
| 22:59.54 | saerdna | lu: sure |
| 22:59.58 | nvz | lu: like gcc? |
| 22:59.59 | lu | great! |
| 22:59.59 | nvz | heh |
| 23:00.49 | delire | Glitch: tell me where you are upto |
| 23:00.50 | Glitch | Hold on. |
| 23:00.50 | lu | no i meant nub help on kernel compilation |
| 23:00.50 | nvz | lu: just ask your question |
| 23:00.50 | esap | Where can I find debian package for lm-sensors-2.8.2 (for use with 2.6.0 kernel?) I can only find 2.9.0, which is too new to work. |
| 23:00.50 | lu | how do i tweak my mkinitrd.conf so I can use make-kpkg --initrd |
| 23:00.50 | followmearound | anyone know the right way to sleep in a pthread thread? calling sleep(1) seems to not be doing the right thing (locking my program and failing to yield) |
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| 23:00.50 | nvz | lu: dont complicate the process for those of us who know what you are talking about |
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| 23:00.54 | saerdna | wget kernel.org/kernel.tgz ; tar -xzvf kernel.tar.gz ; cd linux-XXX ; make menuconfig ; make |
| 23:00.58 | npx | mmm, this is nice |
| 23:01.10 | Glitch | delire: I have the device listed in fstab under /dev/sda1 with the details you specified. It will not mount. I get this error: "mount: special device /dev/uba1 does not exist" |
| 23:01.19 | npx | FreeType is really pretty |
| 23:01.24 | delire | Glitch: and udev is installed? |
| 23:01.43 | Glitch | delire: ...Actually... I don't think it is. |
| 23:01.55 | lu | sorry :(, I've successfully done it the apt-get way, for kernel images. Now i want to make a custom kernel |
| 23:02.08 | Glitch | delire: It is. |
| 23:02.20 | nvz | lu: are you making a kernel for your desktop or laptop workstation? |
| 23:02.28 | lu | laptop |
| 23:02.36 | nvz | lu: then you most certainly do not want initrd anyway |
| 23:02.40 | lu | kernel 2.6, using grub |
| 23:02.45 | nvz | lu: thats the whole point of building custom |
| 23:02.57 | delire | Glitch: then i don't know.. what about /dev/uba? |
| 23:04.04 | saerdna | how do i get auto and iface commands? :S |
| 23:04.20 | lu | curious, if this is the message from dmesg: vf:scanned open root device "hda1" , please append a correct "root" boot opotion. kernel panic |
| 23:04.21 | delire | Glitch: i don't understand what you wrote above. the /etc/fstab syntax usually looks like <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 23:04.33 | zinx | saerdna: man 5 interfaces |
| 23:05.06 | delire | Glitch: in other words for a usb-storage device you'll need '/dev/uba1 /mnt vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0' |
| 23:05.19 | nvz | lu: initrd is not for custom kernels on personal pcs. you are most likely inexperienced in configuring a kernel and need some help. |
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| 23:05.25 | lu | i compiled a kernel the "old school" way, 2.4 and it booted fine with no prob. except that in X my mouse and keyboard support was gone |
| 23:05.26 | saerdna | zinx: bash: iface: command not found |
| 23:05.37 | delire | Glitch: actually, there is one reason why it won't mount.. do you have generic scsi support compiled into the kernel? did you compile the kernel yourself? |
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| 23:05.48 | lu | yes sir, i'm a nub, noob, newbie |
| 23:06.13 | fusibou | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.21 | Glitch | noob != newbie. |
| 23:06.26 | ghc | Anyone here willing to help me with a small makefile question? |
| 23:06.31 | delire | well, kind of |
| 23:06.32 | lu | my successes in linux, have been only through the brute force statistically rigorous method |
| 23:06.39 | RichiH | heh |
| 23:06.39 | delire | lu: ;) |
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| 23:07.02 | Glitch | delire: It's an out-of-the-box compile. I didn't do it myself. The "default" kernel has said support, yes? |
| 23:07.06 | saerdna | zinx: do i need to apt-get it?! |
| 23:07.09 | nvz | lu: if you want to compile a kernel right now I can give you some pointers about what to use and how to use it |
| 23:07.16 | delire | NAVI: don't know about your hostname "WinNT@201.243.139.138" |
| 23:07.18 | lu | super, |
| 23:07.30 | RichiH | !noob |
| 23:07.31 | dpkg | i guess noob is < greycat> DarkCoiote: When people say "I'm a noob", or the equivalent, it's an EXCUSE for them to be LAZY and avoid doing any thinking or reading. |
| 23:07.40 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: usb-storage? |
| 23:07.41 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:07.44 | RichiH | hey, who changed that |
| 23:07.44 | FieldySnuts | eat shit |
| 23:07.50 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say dpkg: usb-storage? |
| 23:07.54 | ravenbird | dpkg: usb-storage |
| 23:07.55 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 23:08.01 | nvz | lu: you can /msg me |
| 23:08.09 | lu | funny dpkg, this is 3 rd month on trying to compile |
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| 23:08.24 | RichiH | FieldySnuts: dpkg ignores you for a reason, i think |
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| 23:08.51 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: stop that |
| 23:09.05 | FieldySnuts | i was using it for something legit for once sheesh |
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| 23:09.17 | caphuso | and wasting even more precious screen space |
| 23:09.39 | caphuso | and it wasn't legit, because everyone read that factoid long ago |
| 23:10.11 | Glitch | FieldySnuts: This is properly installed and set up according do delire... it just isn't working... -.- |
| 23:10.17 | FieldySnuts | Glitch: what is |
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| 23:10.29 | delire | Glitch: no, i only gave you my configuration |
| 23:10.30 | FieldySnuts | oh no that's not why I was doing usb-storage, it was for myself |
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| 23:10.39 | FieldySnuts | i see why people were annoyed then, sorry |
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| 23:10.47 | npx | these fonts look almost TOO good |
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| 23:11.04 | caphuso | Glitch: your problem is that the /dev/uba* files don't exist, right? |
| 23:11.10 | FieldySnuts | got my damn camera's CD card to show up via usb yesterday now I can't |
| 23:11.12 | Glitch | FieldySnuts: ...Well.. the USB storage device (Flash-based MP3 Player) that I figured you already knew about, because you used that with dpkg... |
| 23:11.12 | HelmutG | hi. what would be the equivalent in /etc/apt/apt.conf for setting ftp_proxy=http://proxy:3128/ (squid)? Acquire::ftp::Proxy "http://proxy:3128/"; does not work. |
| 23:11.16 | FieldySnuts | i think what I forgot is sd |
| 23:11.25 | Glitch | caphuso: Basically... |
| 23:11.42 | caphuso | Glitch: try this: cd /dev; mknod uba b 180 0; for a in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8; do mknod uba$a b 180 $a; done |
| 23:12.05 | fusibou | Glitch what is the difference in dmesg with plugging in and unplugging your usb device |
| 23:12.07 | delire | caphuso: you think he's going to need 8? ;) |
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| 23:12.11 | caphuso | and hope that you have nothing of that devfs/udev stuff running |
| 23:12.12 | bbrazil | HelmutG: apt doen't do ftp proxying via a http proxy (unless you set ftp_proxy manually before running it). Try find a http mirror |
| 23:12.21 | caphuso | delire: i don't know |
| 23:12.30 | Glitch | fusibou: hold on. |
| 23:12.32 | saerdna | bash: iface: command not found please, do anyone know why this error appear? |
| 23:12.38 | HelmutG | bbrazil: ftp.nerim.net ;) |
| 23:12.51 | Glitch | caphuso: could you explain what that does, for future reference and understanding? |
| 23:12.57 | HelmutG | bbrazil: thanks anyway. |
| 23:12.58 | caphuso | Glitch: man mknod |
| 23:13.01 | simonrvn | saerdna: /etc/network/interfaces is not a shell script |
| 23:13.06 | chealer | is there a GUI to manage apache 2 on sarge? at least as good as webmin-apache |
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| 23:13.16 | delire | Glitch: 'tail -f var/log/syslog | grep usb' or yeah, 'dmesg | grep usb' and plug the stick in. |
| 23:13.21 | nome | hi to all |
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| 23:13.42 | saerdna | simonrvn: what do you mean? in all guides even debian guides they tell me to use auto INTERFACE and iface |
| 23:13.44 | HelmutG | bbrazil: lemme guess: i don't need to submit a cosmetics bug, as there is one? |
| 23:13.47 | nome | how can i speed up the browser? |
| 23:14.01 | nome | it's relly toooo slow for an adsl! |
| 23:14.01 | streuner__ | nome: buy more RAM |
| 23:14.11 | nome | .______. |
| 23:14.12 | bbrazil | HelmutG: couldn't tell you. I discovered the above on the web somewher. its really annoying |
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| 23:14.31 | HelmutG | bbrazil: ok. thanks. |
| 23:14.32 | delire | Glitch: my working rigs have the /etc/fstab entried you saw before and with these modules loaded: usb_storage, usbcore, scsi_mod |
| 23:14.40 | rdancer | someone here familiar enough with .sk whereabouts to check the iso-codes package /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_3166_2.xml? |
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| 23:14.48 | neom | wtf is the shutdown command? lol |
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| 23:14.53 | nome | some app to see the ram usage? |
| 23:14.58 | caphuso | nome: free |
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| 23:15.17 | delire | nome: 'free' |
| 23:15.21 | FieldySnuts | see to access my cam just last night, same kernel, with usb 2.0, i loaded modules ehci-hcd , sg, sd_mod, usb-storage and bam it worked. today, it notices the camera turn on, and nothing past that, i think i'm insane |
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| 23:15.27 | nome | ok thanks |
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| 23:15.34 | rdancer | the names there look like a 3yo copied it from a very bad fax copy -- e.g.: "Banskobyatricky kraj" |
| 23:15.49 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:15.52 | charolastra | hahaha |
| 23:16.26 | saerdna | simonrvn: im trying to run auto/iface in the console |
| 23:16.26 | saerdna | not in a script |
| 23:16.26 | FieldySnuts | echo "ehci-hcd sg sd_mod sr_mod usb-storage" | xargs -n 1 modprobe -v may be useful for ya Glitch , then change the end to -rav to remove em... helps when trying to start over |
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| 23:16.45 | fusibou | saerdna what reason not to use /etc/init.d/networking start / stop? |
| 23:16.45 | FieldySnuts | well, at least that's with usb 2, might need ohci-hcd or whatever, tweak |
| 23:16.56 | saerdna | fusibou: ? |
| 23:17.01 | nome | and some to see what's using the ram |
| 23:17.05 | rdancer | come on, nobody from the slovak republic? |
| 23:17.06 | saerdna | fusibou: im about to setup a ipv6 tunnel |
| 23:17.07 | caphuso | nome: top, ps |
| 23:17.08 | nome | like % ecc .. |
| 23:17.14 | nome | :D |
| 23:17.15 | fusibou | saerdna ah |
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| 23:17.30 | rdancer | eh uh.. |
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| 23:17.37 | bytewalker | how do i set up the usb in the kernel so i can use my camera? |
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| 23:17.42 | bytewalker | i forget i havent used linux in forever |
| 23:17.52 | saerdna | fusibou: all guides and manuals is using iface and auto commands but why the hell doesnt they exist in debian?! |
| 23:18.00 | fusibou | bytewalker kernel 2.6 + udev + hal? |
| 23:18.05 | FieldySnuts | heh what is it with usb storage devices and people having problems today |
| 23:18.14 | FieldySnuts | i had my stuff working last night, that's what's really annoying |
| 23:18.16 | bytewalker | kernel 2.4 |
| 23:18.16 | fusibou | saerdna sorry but i don't know anything about ipv6 tunnels |
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| 23:18.22 | bytewalker | i forget the command to load stuff in the kernel |
| 23:18.37 | delire | FieldySnuts: an upgrade broke mine. used it as an excuse to switch to udev |
| 23:18.46 | fusibou | bytewalker modprobe at commandline and add names to /etc/modules for bootup |
| 23:18.54 | delire | bytewalker: modprobe <module> |
| 23:19.08 | fusibou | bytewalker kernel 2.6 + udev + hal really is a much more rewarding experience |
| 23:19.22 | delire | fusibou: agreed. much more sensible device fs |
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| 23:19.45 | FieldySnuts | i haven't changed jack |
| 23:20.42 | FieldySnuts | found it. i was supposed to be loading ohci-hcd not ehci-hcd. |
| 23:21.09 | chealer | bytewalker: I had nothing to do to use my powershot on 2.6/2.4 except addgroup chealer camera |
| 23:21.10 | delire | FieldySnuts: i believe it's my kernel. works fine in 2.6.8. an upgrade to 2.6.10 with the same .config was broke. i found stuff online that excluded various devices under a devfs system in 2.6.10 |
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| 23:21.18 | FieldySnuts | see now i'm confused, showing up as a usb 1.1 device. grr |
| 23:21.25 | Supaplex | FieldySnuts: that's sad. jack is pretty smelly right now. I think he got a messy! ;) |
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| 23:21.31 | FieldySnuts | oh well better than not showing up at all. |
| 23:21.33 | delire | FieldySnuts: udev fixed all, and now playing around i believe it's a better setup anyway |
| 23:21.44 | shadebob | hi, someone use Hylafax with FaxMail and Postfix? |
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| 23:21.56 | delire | FieldySnuts: i had the same problem. USB2 devices showing up as 1.1 |
| 23:22.00 | fusibou | delire: i don't know why everyone is making things hard for themselves |
| 23:22.12 | FieldySnuts | yeah that's annoying, seeing as it's a 2GB cf card |
| 23:22.15 | FieldySnuts | i'll figure it out |
| 23:22.20 | delire | fusibou: they're not, they just don't know about udev. not like it's in the news |
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| 23:23.12 | fusibou | delire no but kernel 2.6 is and devfs is deprecated |
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| 23:23.28 | delire | FieldySnuts: what kernel? things were dodgy there for a while with the 2.6.5-->2.6.9 and usb |
| 23:23.39 | delire | FieldySnuts: looking at the changelogs at least |
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| 23:23.58 | delire | fusibou: yes, soon to be removed altogether |
| 23:24.04 | FieldySnuts | 2.6.10-as2-grsec-20050124 , shrug |
| 23:24.14 | Glitch | delire: It's actually a cord, but whatever. :P |
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| 23:24.21 | FieldySnuts | i'll live with usb 1.1, just take a while |
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| 23:24.44 | delire | FieldySnuts: hmm.. |
| 23:24.48 | FieldySnuts | i'm confused though, I thought for usb 2.0, it was ehci-hcd |
| 23:24.56 | FieldySnuts | which sees the card, but never sees the camera past power-on |
| 23:25.16 | knightabe | quickly, does anyone know where exim4 keeps it's unprocessed mail queue? I shut it down, but I have possibly thousands of messages that need to be flushed. |
| 23:25.27 | Glitch | delire: Sorry... I was scrolled up.. |
| 23:25.36 | FieldySnuts | description: 26 Oct 2004 USB 2.0 'Enhanced' Host Controller (EHCI) Driver |
| 23:25.43 | FieldySnuts | yet the cam doesn't show up. baffling |
| 23:25.52 | caphuso | knightabe: exim4 -qff |
| 23:26.02 | delire | FieldySnuts: and usbview.. |
| 23:26.05 | FieldySnuts | copying a few hundred meg at 700KB/s or so is not what I call fun |
| 23:26.05 | caphuso | or runq |
| 23:26.11 | FieldySnuts | delire: using that too yeah |
| 23:26.14 | knightabe | does that push them out the door or clear the queue caphuso? |
| 23:26.25 | caphuso | knightabe: tries to push them out |
| 23:26.35 | knightabe | that I don't want. |
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| 23:26.38 | delire | knightabe: i use sendmail -qf |
| 23:27.05 | caphuso | delire: that's the same |
| 23:27.15 | delire | i realise, just more intuiive |
| 23:27.20 | knightabe | would deleting all the entries in /var/spool/exim4/input work? |
| 23:27.23 | Glitch | delire: dmesg just lists details... but wait a minute! "usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using address 3 \ Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... \ scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices \ Vendor: Thomson Model: RD1021_71 Player Rev: 0001 \ Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02" |
| 23:27.26 | delire | s/intuiive/intuitive |
| 23:27.29 | FieldySnuts | heh usbview hung on me, nice |
| 23:27.36 | Glitch | ( \ = return) |
| 23:27.48 | delire | Glitch: usbview? |
| 23:27.49 | FieldySnuts | guess i'll stick with usb1.1 speeds before i get mad |
| 23:27.50 | caphuso | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Jan 28 14:39 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim4* |
| 23:28.01 | delire | Glitch: it's all ok, you just need to find the device in /dev |
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| 23:28.53 | delire | Glitch: it's usually either /dev/sda* /dev/sdb* or /dev/uba (udev) |
| 23:28.56 | darkskiez | i'm having trouble getting my ide controller recognised. Its a PDC20378 (FastTrak 378/SATA 378). The two SATA ports are recognised, but my standard ide port isnt :( |
| 23:28.56 | Simplexe | hi , i have a 486 machine with 256mb space disque, which version of debain can i install ?? |
| 23:29.12 | delire | Simplexe: try tinylinux |
| 23:29.40 | delire | Simplexe: i believe there's also a debian-based version |
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| 23:29.53 | delire | s/version/distro |
| 23:30.05 | fusibou | Simplexe what are you planning to do with the machine? |
| 23:30.06 | PerfDave | Simplexe: You can install Woody on that |
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| 23:30.21 | Glitch | delire: So... find... as in test each with mount, or what? |
| 23:30.23 | PerfDave | Simplexe: Are you sure you have 256Mb disk space, and not 256Mb RAM? |
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| 23:30.33 | Simplexe | PerfDave sure :) |
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| 23:31.11 | knightabe | seems to have. if anyone was wondering, I had snort setup to email and sms many of us through the mail server... and then I ran nessus. dossed most of our phones. feel free to have your laughs for the day at my expense. |
| 23:31.13 | Simplexe | PerfDave 256 mb can support the woody ? |
| 23:31.21 | FieldySnuts | heh support the woody |
| 23:31.23 | delire | Glitch: this is the boring part, i really don't know if there's a way of finding out where it is other than trying the usual suspects.. (a bit boring) |
| 23:31.31 | PerfDave | Simplexe: Uhm, easily. The minimum requirements are in the installation manual. |
| 23:31.43 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Heh. |
| 23:31.48 | Simplexe | PerfDave okay thx :) |
| 23:31.49 | fusibou | delire it's easy |
| 23:31.52 | FieldySnuts | Phated: seems the lewdness got you out |
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| 23:31.55 | delire | Simplexe: http://tinylinux.sourceforge.net/ <-- SuSE based unfortunately.. |
| 23:31.58 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Duh. ;) |
| 23:32.05 | fusibou | delire compare ls /dev before and after plugin |
| 23:32.17 | delire | fusibou: with a ls -l you mean.. |
| 23:32.31 | CosmoDad | hi my debian box recently crashed. After I finished rebooting, all kind of things stopped working correctly: I cannot write to /dev/null, atd can't open the .pid file, nfs and portmapper time-out on boot-up etc. Any idea how to fix this? |
| 23:32.36 | fusibou | delire so i'm i'm a sloppy big picture guy |
| 23:32.40 | delire | fusibou: hardly intuitive ;) |
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| 23:32.55 | Simplexe | Index of /debian-cd/torrents/3.0_r4/i386 here ican find the woody that's right ?? |
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| 23:33.09 | directhex | Simplexe, yes. sure you want woody? |
| 23:33.12 | p0pp0 | hi ppl |
| 23:33.15 | delire | Glitch: yeah i guess with it in 'ls -l /dev/*' with it out 'ls -l /dev/*' |
| 23:33.15 | Rearden | Which program should I use if I want to se how much space I've got left on my disk, in MBytes ? |
| 23:33.26 | delire | Glitch: see what changes and then proceed |
| 23:33.29 | caphuso | Rearden: df |
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| 23:33.31 | Delph | Rearden: df |
| 23:33.34 | Rearden | thanx. |
| 23:33.37 | delire | Rearden: df -h |
| 23:33.42 | Simplexe | directhex: it's the stable version , no ?? |
| 23:33.50 | delire | Rearden: '-h' for human readable |
| 23:34.09 | United | is there anyway to reinstall the base system from a hard drive without a cd? i think my computer was hacked. |
| 23:34.15 | directhex | Simplexe, yes, but that doesn't neccessarily mean it's what you want |
| 23:34.20 | delire | Rearden: df = "disk free" |
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| 23:34.58 | fusibou | Simplexe what do you want to do with this machine? that affects what you put on it |
| 23:35.01 | Simplexe | directhex : on this machine i'm going to have a shell , to my irc bot ? |
| 23:35.16 | nome | how can i optimize my ram usage? |
| 23:35.23 | nome | :P |
| 23:35.26 | Rawplayer | put more ram in your computer |
| 23:35.28 | Glitch | delire: "see what changes"? |
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| 23:35.40 | fusibou | nome buy more ram; reduce useless running services |
| 23:35.42 | Glitch | delire: Oh. Misread. |
| 23:35.54 | nome | i know debian works good also on old pc |
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| 23:36.15 | slash2 | i'm running 2.6.8-2 from sid and can't seem to access my serial port. i'm on a dell laptop. setserial sees /dev/ttyS1, and the IRQ and I/O are the default for COM2. windows can use it fine. i've checked the BIOS and the serial port is enabled. the generic_serial module is also loaded. any ideas what could be going on? |
| 23:36.18 | nome | mine has 512 it's not tooo much but should be enough |
| 23:36.24 | nome | or not? |
| 23:36.25 | caphuso | nome: it's plenty |
| 23:36.27 | WiFiTux | someone knows how to check if the incoming e-mail is working? I can send e-mail, but I cannot receive e-mail. postfix looks fine. |
| 23:36.32 | Simplexe | fusibou : installing a shell account for my IRC BOT. |
| 23:36.35 | vulture | nome: why do you think you need to optimize anything? |
| 23:36.42 | delire | Glitch: look at the timestamps "brw-rw---- 1 root root 180, 0 2005-02-01 23:25 /dev/uba" for instance |
| 23:36.59 | TinoW | WiFiTux: dig yourdomain MX |
| 23:37.08 | WiFiTux | TinoW: huh? |
| 23:37.08 | nome | becouse it works almost always at full ram usage |
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| 23:37.16 | TinoW | WiFiTux: check if output matches your host |
| 23:37.16 | caphuso | nome: that's a Good Thing |
| 23:37.21 | delire | nome: 512 is lots for most applications other than say.. hard disk recording |
| 23:37.27 | Glitch | delire: sda, sda1, and sdb exist only when it is plugged in. That's all I see. |
| 23:37.27 | caphuso | free RAM == wasted RAM |
| 23:37.36 | TinoW | WiFiTux: then telnet yourhost 25, helo, etc. pp |
| 23:37.37 | fusibou | nome that's caching, it's good |
| 23:37.45 | vulture | nome: read some docs for "free", stop fussing over things you don't understand :) |
| 23:37.52 | delire | Glitch: there's your clue. mount /dev/sda1 /mountpoint |
| 23:38.04 | nome | but my browser is really slow |
| 23:38.06 | fusibou | slash2 what is connected to your serial port |
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| 23:38.14 | delire | Glitch: if all those don't work then make sure you have scsi_mod and usb_storage and usbcore loaded |
| 23:38.17 | nome | i mean someone told me this |
| 23:38.26 | delire | nome: never trust someone |
| 23:38.34 | United | is there anyway to reinstall the base system from a hard drive without a cd? i think my computer was hacked. |
| 23:38.59 | nome | so should i read docs for "free" or should i worry about my ram usage? |
| 23:39.01 | nome | :P |
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| 23:39.11 | WiFiTux | TinoW: I found the problem, it' not my issue. thanks anyway |
| 23:39.32 | nome | anyway the problem is that my browser it's really slow |
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| 23:39.38 | slash2 | fusibou: cisco console, 9600 8N1, using minicom |
| 23:39.42 | Glitch | delire: Oh... previously I had tried mount /dev/sda* and it said "you must specify the filesystem type". I meant to tell you that... |
| 23:39.42 | delire | nome: which browser |
| 23:39.48 | samuel | sup all |
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| 23:39.57 | nome | let's say browsers |
| 23:40.04 | nome | mozilla and konqueror |
| 23:40.07 | Glitch | delire: sda1 didn't, and still doesn't read as existant, though. |
| 23:40.24 | sorahn | when i use the command 'ifconfig eth1 down' to turn off my wireless sometimes it turns itself back on. is there a way to have it stay off till i say so |
| 23:40.32 | delire | Glitch: ok, try 'mount /dev/sda<something> -t vfat /<mountpoint> |
| 23:40.38 | samuel | i have a 2wire DSL modem, and i want to use the portal to disable the firewall of the modem, anyone know of the top of their heads the ip address of this? |
| 23:40.38 | fusibou | slash2 what happens if you echo commands directly from the command line to /dev/ttyS1? |
| 23:40.57 | Glitch | delire: actually used "<mountpoint>"? |
| 23:41.03 | Glitch | use* |
| 23:41.10 | delire | nome: try firefox, it doesn't try to load the Earth with it |
| 23:41.19 | delire | Glitch: no ;) |
| 23:41.32 | fusibou | slash2 interesting that a laptop would have two serial ports |
| 23:41.40 | delire | Glitch: whatever mountpoint you like |
| 23:41.58 | Glitch | delire: "0"? |
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| 23:42.31 | nome | delire: i try but i feel it'll be the same |
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| 23:42.42 | delire | Glitch: make a directory you want to use as a mountpoint for your stick. say /home/glitch/usbstick and then mount to that |
| 23:43.00 | slash2 | fusibou: i have the serial port mapped to COM2 |
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| 23:43.10 | delire | name: perhaps. mozilla is world reknowned for it's sluggishness |
| 23:43.18 | toresbe | Can you put several hosts on a single SCSI bus? |
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| 23:43.21 | delire | nome: at least first execution |
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| 23:43.49 | nome | delire: i suppose konqurot ... worst |
| 23:43.50 | toresbe | I want to share a CD-ROM between a Sun Ultra 1 and an Indy |
| 23:43.55 | Glitch | delire: but should I use /0 as mountpoint? |
| 23:43.56 | nome | *konqueor |
| 23:43.57 | Simplexe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.07 | caphuso | Glitch: if you want to |
| 23:44.08 | fusibou | slash2 does echoing commands directly to /dev/ttyS1 work? |
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| 23:44.11 | xelam|home | PEBKAC >.< |
| 23:44.20 | delire | Glitch: if you have a directory called 'O' then sure |
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| 23:44.41 | fusibou | Simplexe we're all waiting for something. i asked what you were using it for to see if i could help but i don't know anything about irc bots. |
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| 23:44.43 | delire | nome: is it slow in use or slow just when you first start it? |
| 23:44.49 | Glitch | delire: What do mountpoints have to do with directories? I'm starting to get confused here.... |
| 23:44.56 | PinkBunny | anyone in here has experiance with booting linux over network in "production" environment ? |
| 23:44.58 | CosmoDad | after a crash, my system behaves completely weird: locale keymap not loading, nfs/portmap timing-out, ssh fails to start, etc. Anyone has a clue why this happened and what I can do? |
| 23:44.58 | nome | and what about the advantages using ipv6? |
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| 23:45.14 | delire | Glitch: there is no difference. it's just a location for the kernel to map the device to in your local filesystem |
| 23:45.17 | ml267 | good day all. is there a quick way to list packages on a machine that are above the current dist versions? (i.e. all the packages that have been d/l'ed and installed individually) |
| 23:45.20 | caphuso | CosmoDad: what caused the crash? |
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| 23:45.31 | Glitch | delire: Will files previously stored on the player be lost? |
| 23:45.31 | delire | Glitch: think of it as an access point |
| 23:45.44 | delire | Glitch: not unless you delete them |
| 23:45.49 | CosmoDad | caphuso: possibly a combination of a buggy via 686 southbridge and my bttv driver |
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| 23:45.55 | Glitch | delire: Well.. they're in directories and stuff... |
| 23:46.03 | Glitch | On the play.. |
| 23:46.04 | Glitch | player* |
| 23:46.09 | slash2 | fusibou: when I try to cat /dev/ttyS1 I get an Input/Output error. i've already ruled out a bad serial cable and port, so i know it's not that |
| 23:46.09 | Glitch | I like organization. :P |
| 23:46.12 | caphuso | Glitch: that's fine |
| 23:46.15 | Glitch | 'kay. |
| 23:46.24 | delire | Glitch: the techique is to normally mount to a mountpoint and then cd to the mountpoint then copy the data from there to your local filesystem |
| 23:46.37 | Glitch | However... "mount /dev/sda* -t vfat /0" doesn't work. |
| 23:46.52 | caphuso | Glitch: did you "mkdir /0"? |
| 23:47.04 | Glitch | ...No... |
| 23:47.07 | Glitch | >.> |
| 23:47.08 | caphuso | duh |
| 23:47.09 | delire | Glitch: make the dir and the try mount /dev/sda1 (not /dev/sda*) |
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| 23:47.12 | Simplexe | fusibou : the point is not the irc bot, on this machine i'm going to create a shell and have it conected to the internet 24/24 ,if u want it's a small application . |
| 23:47.15 | strubbel | it is normal that i've to be root to apt-cache search, right? |
| 23:47.20 | caphuso | strubbel: no |
| 23:47.22 | Glitch | delire: sda1 doesn't exist. |
| 23:47.34 | delire | Glitch: ok then try sda or sdb or sdb1 |
| 23:47.36 | CosmoDad | caphuso: *any* idea? or any generic solution? I tried e2fsck but that didn't help... |
| 23:47.38 | fusibou | slash2 sounds like the remapping is not working; try accessing /dev/ttyS0 (I get the same input output error for ttyS1 which I do not have) |
| 23:47.45 | Glitch | delire: it only likes sda* :P |
| 23:47.52 | bjenkins | when i try to run make menuconfig, i'm told i need ncurses-devel, but apt-get doesn't find such a package |
| 23:47.54 | Glitch | Hold on. |
| 23:48.01 | caphuso | bjenkins: libncurses5-dev |
| 23:48.03 | ml267 | i got a little scared after seeing a security bulletin about a package that I'd upgraded myself, realizing that security.debian.org doesn't help me update it automatically. |
| 23:48.10 | bjenkins | thx |
| 23:48.12 | Glitch | the /0 for mountpoint specification can be text? It's just a name? o.O |
| 23:48.25 | caphuso | Glitch: any random directory you like it to be |
| 23:48.25 | delire | Glitch: 'mkdir /0' |
| 23:48.34 | Glitch | GAH! HIDEOUS CHATSPEAK! |
| 23:48.35 | ml267 | it got me wondering if there were other packages i installed on my own that might be security holes |
| 23:48.35 | strubbel | caphuso: my /var/lib/apt/lists/* are set 640 |
| 23:48.48 | caphuso | strubbel: that's weird. did you mess with root's umask setting? |
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| 23:49.00 | ml267 | so I want to see if I can list the packages that are non-standard on my machine |
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| 23:49.11 | caphuso | CosmoDad: well, if you're filesystem got fucked up too badly, you might need to restore your last backup |
| 23:49.14 | strubbel | caphuso: yup...you got the mistake :) |
| 23:49.22 | nome | delire: you know? |
| 23:49.24 | Glitch | delire: I thought that the mountpoint was like the numeric point on the drive (in some type of value) that it started reading from. |
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| 23:49.43 | nome | delire: firefox .... perfect |
| 23:49.45 | delire | Glitch: no it can be any directory on your machine |
| 23:49.49 | delire | nome: it works? |
| 23:49.51 | caphuso | strubbel: don't do that |
| 23:49.58 | ml267 | i don't want to write a complicated perl script to parse the available file and pit it against my list of installed packages.. |
| 23:49.59 | delire | nome: (better i mean)? |
| 23:50.01 | Azar | good day honorables |
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| 23:50.04 | nome | delire: strange ... but yes |
| 23:50.09 | fusibou | Simplexe scroll down to 2.3 in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-hardware-req.en.html |
| 23:50.12 | strubbel | caphuso: 644 to root? |
| 23:50.21 | caphuso | strubbel: for umask? |
| 23:50.22 | nome | delire: but how is it possible? |
| 23:50.23 | fusibou | Simplexe use the debian net installer and only install minimum you need |
| 23:50.31 | delire | nome: well mozilla and konqueror are both doing a whole bunch of other things at the same time. |
| 23:50.40 | strubbel | caphuso: or umask 022? |
| 23:50.48 | United | root@hannon:~# df -h |
| 23:50.48 | United | Killed |
| 23:50.50 | CosmoDad | caphuso: damn :( |
| 23:50.51 | Azar | this just in for laptopers, notebookers: ease your linux video driver blues: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21014 |
| 23:50.51 | United | anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:50.52 | zOap | i did the blout today. i chose the wrong graphic card at setup(testing) how can i change it? i know of the XF86, but isnt there a way to scan again? |
| 23:50.56 | delire | nome: they are very bulky, mozilla has a calendar, html editor, email client etc |
| 23:51.01 | caphuso | strubbel: that's a lot better :) |
| 23:51.06 | Glitch | delire: I see. I made it /usbdev and it still refuses the command. It gives me the usage command list every time, as though I'm doing something wrong in this line: "mount /dev/sda* -t vfat /usbdev" |
| 23:51.09 | Simplexe | fusibou : thx :) |
| 23:51.15 | nome | delire: but firefox and mozilla .... should be almast the same |
| 23:51.21 | Glitch | The chatspeak! My eyes! THEY BURN! |
| 23:51.21 | CosmoDad | caphuso: thanks for the hint anyway, should have learnt since a couple of month ago the very same bug killed my FS |
| 23:51.26 | nome | delire: i've just the browser |
| 23:51.35 | delire | nome: no, mozilla is the fat grandfather of firefox |
| 23:51.37 | drac | Glitch: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /usbdev |
| 23:51.39 | Azar | as of me, I am still not being able to run X, nvidia driver refuses to cooperate |
| 23:51.46 | Azar | four days now of trying |
| 23:51.48 | drac | Glitch: notice the "1" |
| 23:51.48 | TheTom | anyone know what this error means? I get it when i try to build a deb package for mplayer , following guide at http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html |
| 23:51.52 | zOap | anyobody? how to configure x all over with menu? |
| 23:51.58 | simonrvn | !aolspeak Glitch |
| 23:51.59 | TheTom | gcc: /usr/local/live/groupsock/libgroupsock.a: No such file or directory |
| 23:52.03 | delire | Glitch: you must specify the device number |
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| 23:52.06 | TheTom | what's groupsock? |
| 23:52.07 | strubbel | caphuso: are the /var/lib/apt/lists/ permissions reset after apt-get update? |
| 23:52.07 | ml267 | alright, looks like i do have to do this the hard way. i'd just assumed there was a neat util that will check installed packages for you. |
| 23:52.22 | delire | Glitch: /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda /dev/sdb1 etc |
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| 23:52.31 | Glitch | delire: You put the -t tag in the middle of the line, instead of after "mount"... |
| 23:52.34 | caphuso | strubbel: they should. if not, change them to 644 (and 755 for the partial subdirectory) |
| 23:52.38 | nome | delire: lol ... now i've a real adsl |
| 23:52.43 | nome | delire: thanks |
| 23:52.46 | strubbel | caphuso: ok |
| 23:52.53 | Taggart | How much Space do a bzp2 expand after extracting? |
| 23:52.56 | Glitch | Hooray! |
| 23:52.57 | Glitch | Mounted. |
| 23:52.58 | zOap | anybody?? how can i start the debconf all over so i can change the graphic card? |
| 23:53.00 | delire | Glitch: oh, may have.. |
| 23:53.02 | caphuso | Taggart: depends on the content |
| 23:53.04 | Taggart | I've got 70Mbytes, but that's not enough. |
| 23:53.06 | delire | Glitch: good ;) |
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| 23:53.15 | delire | nome: a pleasure |
| 23:53.16 | caphuso | zOap: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:53.17 | Glitch | So I go into /usbdev and I'll see the contents? |
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| 23:53.24 | drac | Glitch: yes |
| 23:53.37 | Flimzy | Taggart: That depends on what's in the bz2, of course. |
| 23:53.38 | CosmoDad | TheTom: according to ./configure --help, mplayer has a --enable-winsock2 option. *If* it has something to do with it, try disabling that option |
| 23:53.40 | Taggart | caphuso, 2.4.25 |
| 23:53.43 | delire | nome: enjoy, and make sure you check out all the extensions Tools --> Extensions |
| 23:53.45 | Taggart | ehm, linux kernel.. sorry |
| 23:53.52 | Azar | caphuso when you attempt to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 several times, each time you gotta save the original, or only the first time? |
| 23:53.58 | Taggart | 36Mbytes |
| 23:54.00 | caphuso | Azar: huh? |
| 23:54.08 | nome | delire: about:plugin ...? |
| 23:54.27 | Azar | caphuso: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom |
| 23:54.32 | rellik | is there a printcommand like "lpr" that will put a header (page number/date/etc) on the printout? I've tried 'lpr -p' but lpr seems to be just ignoring the '-p' flag :( |
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| 23:54.51 | Glitch | YAY! |
| 23:54.59 | Glitch | Though... all of the files went corrupt... |
| 23:54.59 | Flimzy | rellik: lpr and/or magicfilter can be configured to do that. |
| 23:55.05 | Azar | I have created so far 3 copies |
| 23:55.13 | Azar | three attempts to fix X |
| 23:55.16 | Flimzy | rellik: altho it's probably better to do that with the application creating the print job rather than with the print spooler/filter |
| 23:55.17 | Glitch | It can't work with the existing directories! |
| 23:55.30 | caphuso | Azar: you can back it up as often as you like |
| 23:55.31 | uGexe | i am doing modprove fglrx and it loads with no errors. then i do startx and it says it cant find the fglrx driver. any clue? |
| 23:55.33 | corallis | Does anyone have any idea what might be wrong with my server? It was running fine, then all of a sudden yesterday it completely shut down and wouldnt turn back on at all. I waited about an hour, and then it would turn on for a bit, but then it just completely powered off again, and now it wont turn back on at all. I'm thinking it might be a faulty PSU, are there any other possibilities? |
| 23:55.33 | delire | nome: under 'Tools' |
| 23:55.36 | conor | Hi, I'm using gdm as my login manager and XFCE and wondering what exactly gets executed when I login.. .xinitrc/.xsesion ? Processes get started that don't appear in either of those files (nor in any files that I can find!) |
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| 23:55.55 | Azar | thanks, caphuso |
| 23:55.56 | fusibou | uGexe what kernel version? |
| 23:56.03 | Flimzy | corallis: There are countless possibilities. But if you think it's a faulty PSU, try replacing that as your first step. |
| 23:56.03 | uGexe | 2.6.8 |
| 23:56.34 | slash2 | fusibou: got it -- changed BIOS to COM1 and rebooted, ttyS0 works fine. |
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| 23:56.37 | Glitch | delire: Can I wipe the contents of /usbdev before writing to it? It has files that can't be properly read at the moment. They came up as unknown and have that icky corruptness where the icons disappear if you right click on them. |
| 23:56.39 | delire | Glitch: make sure you make changes in your /etc/fstab so you can then just 'mount /0' |
| 23:56.49 | slash2 | fusibou: thanks |
| 23:56.51 | rellik | Flimzy, not sure I'm following... I'm trying to do something like "hexdump -C <filename> | lpr -T <title> -p" but it seems to be just ignoring the p flag |
| 23:56.52 | fusibou | slash2 no prob |
| 23:56.57 | Glitch | delire: I chose /usbdev, but okay. |
| 23:57.00 | delire | Glitch: ok or mount /usbdev |
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| 23:57.21 | delire | Glitch: well it's best if it's an empty directory in the first place (or have i read you wrong)? |
| 23:57.31 | ml267 | can I customize the output of 'dpkg -l' so it will show full length of package names? |
| 23:57.32 | fusibou | uGexe have you been here? http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 23:57.38 | Glitch | delire: No. The data is still there. I just can't see it with the file browser. |
| 23:57.47 | Flimzy | rellik: maybe pipe thru pr yourself, rather than relying on lpr's -p? |
| 23:57.53 | sparr | I just cleaned off a drive to install debian. Once I have installed it I want to use THIS drive as my media/storage drive. Unfortunately it is currently an NTFS partition, and contains far too much data for me to back up and erase. Are there any usable non-destructive repartitioning tools available that can convert NTFS to something that windows xp can run off of AND linux can safely read/write to? if so, what format is that, and what program can |
| 23:57.55 | uGexe | fusibou: yes that is what i used to install it |
| 23:57.58 | rcw | ml267: use dpkg --get-selections instead |
| 23:58.00 | delire | Glitch: maybe you don't have permissions. try using the filebrowser as root. |
| 23:58.04 | Flimzy | rellik: hexdump -foo | pr -bar | lpr -baz |
| 23:58.12 | ml267 | rcw: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 23:58.19 | delire | Glitch: though this is not the preffered method |
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| 23:58.31 | rellik | Flimzy, thanks, I'll read up on 'pr' |
| 23:58.39 | uGexe | what im confused about is that modprobe can find the driver, but x windows cant |
| 23:58.41 | delire | kill-9: ;) |
| 23:58.48 | Flimzy | rellik: -p just pipes the output thru pr |
| 23:58.49 | fusibou | uGexe it's been awhile... but wasn't there a step where you have to copy the module you create into the proper place in /lib/modules/kernelversion/etc? |
| 23:58.54 | Flimzy | rellik: (according to the lpr man page) |
| 23:59.05 | apokryphos | Anyone know how to do something like an apt-get clear/clean or something... remove all downloaded packages? |
| 23:59.16 | uGexe | fusibou: yes.. that is why the modprobe succedes |
| 23:59.23 | delire | apokryphos: apt-get clean |
| 23:59.33 | apokryphos | thought it was something like that; thanks |
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| 23:59.48 | delire | apokryphos: well you wrote it not me ;) |
| 23:59.53 | apokryphos | :P |
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