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| 00:00.15 | azreal | can anyone suggest something i could test the difference between dual channel ddr being either enabled or disabled, i want to see if there is a noticeable difference or not, my friend just found out that he didnt have his dimms in the right banks for dual channel ddr mode. |
| 00:00.19 | bazz | how can i get a list of all the packages that are installed on my machine? |
| 00:00.25 | anti-windows | pingouin1: HP DeskJet 610C |
| 00:00.31 | pingouin1 | ok anti-windows |
| 00:00.36 | orfeu | bazz apt-cache |
| 00:00.43 | Glitters | and should i do the same for "man" command? |
| 00:00.48 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 00:00.48 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLS=200 dpkg -l |grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
| 00:00.49 | bahamat | azreal: from everything I've read it looks like single channel is cheaper and better |
| 00:00.50 | pingouin1 | bazz: dpkg -l |less |
| 00:01.03 | Glitters | is apt-get like emerge in gentoo? |
| 00:01.10 | bazz | pingouin1: thanks |
| 00:01.21 | bahamat | Glitters: better |
| 00:01.27 | orfeu | Glitters yes but apt-get download the binary |
| 00:01.34 | orfeu | bahamat :) |
| 00:01.38 | dvs | azreal: memtest86+ can tell you if dual channel is enabled or not |
| 00:01.42 | Glitters | i see |
| 00:01.43 | azreal | bahamat: he allready has dual channel, but iys been performing as single because of the banks he had them in were wrong |
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| 00:01.59 | Glitters | and "install" is an additional argument? |
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| 00:02.06 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: it's a command. |
| 00:02.11 | anti-windows | bahamat: i did as you instructed - stopped firefox & all that. printing a test page...it looks OK. once it's done ill try lp and print something |
| 00:02.11 | superd | hey, I need to kick some users that are logged on, but im not sure the best way to do it, can any one help? |
| 00:02.12 | azreal | dvs: cool |
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| 00:02.18 | dondelelcaro | superd: use slay |
| 00:02.21 | Glitters | command, allright |
| 00:02.38 | bahamat | azreal: I'd say that's good then. Like I said, everything I've read says that single channel is cheaper and better. why use dual? |
| 00:02.54 | orfeu | Glitters yes |
| 00:02.56 | superd | thanks |
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| 00:04.17 | Glitters | it didnt take much time installing debian on my system, maybe a couple of hours or less, is this normal? :S |
| 00:04.37 | azreal | bahamat: i guess i thought it would be an improvement, i will read some about it then. |
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| 00:04.52 | bahamat | Glitters: a couple of hours would be quite a long time I think |
| 00:05.01 | vulture | what bahamat said |
| 00:05.05 | Glitters | bahamat: thank you :D |
| 00:05.07 | kds | I'm seeing artsd use 171MB of memory!! Also sound is not working....maybe because arts is not suspended. |
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| 00:05.11 | vulture | for a first time, from format/install/etc it's not suprising |
| 00:05.43 | Glitters | i see |
| 00:05.48 | bahamat | azreal: I spent a couple of days looking it up because I was going to buy some servers that gave me the option. I thought dual would be better because it was more expensive, I actually couldn't find any report that indicated dual had any features that would be considered beneficial |
| 00:05.52 | anti-windows | bahamat: im still getting jibberish when i print from programs =| |
| 00:06.01 | Glitters | even one hour, hour and a half |
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| 00:06.20 | bahamat | anti-windows: try looking on linuxprinting.org for a better print filter |
| 00:06.37 | bahamat | anti-windows: sorry that other stuff didn't help though |
| 00:06.49 | anti-windows | bahamat: a better one than CUPS? CUPS has worked fine for me. it broke after I reinstalled debian with the 2.6 kernel |
| 00:06.50 | azreal | bahamat: im reading a page about it now |
| 00:07.16 | bahamat | azreal: if you find something good let me know, I'm perfectly willing to switch if there's a good reason |
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| 00:07.54 | bahamat | anti-windows: I've generally had good experiences with CUPS, but recently on Debian it's been not as easy as before |
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| 00:08.12 | yavor | anti-windows: what's your printer/problem as I missed that? Sorry |
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| 00:08.25 | Thaiger | How do I purge a package? |
| 00:08.35 | caphuso | Thaiger: apt-get --purge remove foo |
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| 00:08.45 | Zap-W | how do i change the default WM that /etc/X11/Xsession loads? |
| 00:08.46 | bahamat | Thaiger: `apt-get remove --purge foo` or `dpkg -P foo` |
| 00:08.46 | yavor | Thaiger dpkg -P package_name |
| 00:08.47 | Thaiger | Thanks |
| 00:08.48 | anti-windows | yavor: when I print from applications (any), my printer just prints garbled crap. its an HP Deskjet 610C printer |
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| 00:08.56 | kds | Got problems with arts. Using too much memory!! |
| 00:09.01 | anti-windows | is there perhaps a "generic" driver that I could try ? |
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| 00:09.12 | Daemon | How does apt-get work exactly...do I have to download the app i want to use it first..? |
| 00:09.18 | dvs | kds: Then don |
| 00:09.22 | Daemon | ..I read the man already |
| 00:09.25 | dvs | kds: Then don't use arts! |
| 00:09.25 | caphuso | Daemon: no, apt-get downloads it for you |
| 00:09.29 | Daemon | ok |
| 00:09.34 | kds | What else can I use? |
| 00:09.35 | bahamat | anti-windows: only the hpoj, which it's probably using already |
| 00:10.00 | dvs | kds: ALSA, OSS, ESound... |
| 00:10.01 | anti-windows | bahamat: i selected a custom driver; the one specifically for my printer. |
| 00:10.05 | azreal | bahamat: take a look at this page http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/ddr2-rmma/ddr2-rmma-1ch.html |
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| 00:10.10 | Daemon | Well, thanks for you guys help...ill run threw my book later to secure it and such... |
| 00:10.19 | Daemon | im off to work |
| 00:10.25 | kds | It was working fine till a few days ago. And after an update, artsd is using lots of memory after a few minutes of booting. |
| 00:10.51 | kds | I'm use KDE mostly. |
| 00:11.07 | dvs | !arts |
| 00:11.07 | dpkg | well, arts is the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 00:11.08 | kds | dvs: ALSA, ESound have problems.....cannot run them. |
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| 00:12.00 | kds | dvs: lets say if I kill artsd, what happens? |
| 00:12.14 | chealer | anti-windows: there is a generic driver, made by ESP |
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| 00:12.20 | dvs | kds: Then you could probably use ALSA, OSS |
| 00:12.21 | Seb | doesn't find -regex understand the OR operator ? find . -regex '.*(foo|bar).*' ? |
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| 00:12.33 | anti-windows | chealer: where do I select it from? i dont see a generic driver anywhere in the driver list |
| 00:12.53 | chealer | kds: use with which application? |
| 00:13.05 | Garp | Debian Unstable: Just upgraded and get, on apt-get command the following: String found where operator expected at /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure line 96, near "die sprintf(gettext("" |
| 00:13.12 | chealer | anti-windows: it says "manufacturer" : ESP |
| 00:13.22 | anti-windows | chealer: oh, okay |
| 00:13.24 | kds | chealer: right just the KDE desktop |
| 00:13.25 | Garp | Any suggestion ? THanks. |
| 00:13.32 | chealer | anti-windows: you selected the hpijs driver, right? |
| 00:13.42 | d22 | can I link something from outside of chroot?? |
| 00:13.43 | kds | !alsa |
| 00:13.44 | dpkg | hmm... alsa is On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 00:13.54 | dvs | kds: Those cheezy sounds when you open and close windows/ |
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| 00:14.00 | polux | hi |
| 00:14.00 | anti-windows | chealer: yes, I did. and there is no ESP mfctr |
| 00:14.08 | kds | dvs: yes something like that :) |
| 00:14.27 | polux | there is a pretty annoying problem in sid tonight : dpkg-preconfigure always quit with an error code |
| 00:14.28 | Thaiger | I just recompiled a kernel so I could have framebuffer, but now when I do a startx, I get an error that says SubSection "extmod" module section keyword expected |
| 00:14.33 | Thaiger | Any advice? |
| 00:14.36 | chealer | kds: hum, in control center, sound and multimedia, sound system, I think you can choose. but I never tried it. |
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| 00:14.37 | polux | Execution of /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure aborted due to compilation errors. |
| 00:14.38 | dvs | kds: Those sounds are preventing other apps from using the sound. |
| 00:14.52 | kds | dvs: is there any other way out? |
| 00:15.00 | chealer | anti-windows: you have cupsys installed, right? you're using kdeprint? |
| 00:15.04 | dvs | kds: I don't know KDE that well. |
| 00:15.15 | anti-windows | chealer: im sorry, no, did not choose hpijs. it didnt work; it only returned "client-error-not-possible" whilst cdj70 worked |
| 00:15.28 | anti-windows | chealer: cupsys is installed; im using the standard 'lp' program |
| 00:15.35 | kds | dvs: I had set arts to suspend after 1 sec, it worked OK. But right now it stops suspending after a while. Blocks /dev/dsp. |
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| 00:16.07 | chealer | anti-windows: oh, so you don't have kde installed? |
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| 00:16.22 | anti-windows | chealer: nope |
| 00:16.36 | Garp | chealer: I believe that "anti-windows" by definition only use CLI ;-) |
| 00:16.37 | chealer | anti-windows: you choose your driver with the lp command? |
| 00:16.46 | chealer | Garp: ;) |
| 00:16.47 | yavor | anti-windows: I didn't configure yr printer, but had similar experience with another one, I used foomatic-gui and it worked. Seems you have to choose hpijs driver and no way to work with lp, I guess |
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| 00:17.43 | anti-windows | chealer: no. im trying to print with LP. Yavor: with the hpijs driver, a test page wotn even print |
| 00:17.57 | chealer | anti-windows: I don't know how you choose your driver, but try to use /usr/share/cups/model/deskjet.ppd |
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| 00:18.33 | anti-windows | chealer: im using the web interface to configure cups...where are the raw configuration files at? |
| 00:18.51 | anti-windows | anyhow, im taking yavor's suggestion and trying foomatic-gui. |
| 00:18.52 | yavor | anti-windows: try restarting cups with /etc/init.d/cupsys after configuring it |
| 00:18.59 | usr010 | how do ii tell apt get to get whatever dependencies also? |
| 00:18.59 | Garp | OK, bebye |
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| 00:19.33 | yavor | anti-windows: sorry, you should type "/etc/init.d/cupsys restart" |
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| 00:20.01 | chealer | usr010: apt-get install |
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| 00:20.54 | usr010 | it wont install cause it needs dependencys |
| 00:21.00 | usr010 | ? |
| 00:21.03 | anti-windows | yavor: okay, restarted. trying another test page |
| 00:21.04 | chealer | usr010: what won't? |
| 00:21.22 | usr010 | GLX kernel |
| 00:21.26 | anti-windows | yavor: nope, error: "client-error-not-possible" |
| 00:21.40 | chealer | usr010: nvidia-glx? |
| 00:21.47 | usr010 | yeah |
| 00:21.56 | chealer | !tell usr010 about nvidia |
| 00:22.04 | anti-windows | mm i don't have libijs..do I need this? |
| 00:22.42 | usr010 | omg ive seen that before |
| 00:22.44 | chealer | anti-windows: I think in web interface the driver I was talking about is in the HP manufacturer. the driver is named "HP DeskJet Series CUPS v1.1 (en)". I'm not 100% sure |
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| 00:22.55 | tazle | ok, this isbeyondcomprehension |
| 00:23.04 | _quafee_ | PHATED SUSSUDIO DONDELECARO FEILDYSNUTS: JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC DID YOU KNOW JEWS DID WTC LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 00:23.04 | _quafee_ | ~MHALLSMITE PHATED SUSSUDIO DONDELECARO FEILDYSNUTS |
| 00:23.06 | apt | Fuck PHATED SUSSUDIO DONDELECARO FEILDYSNUTS. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
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| 00:23.06 | anti-windows | chealer:alright. do i need libijs? |
| 00:23.25 | anti-windows | apt: go to hell :) |
| 00:23.27 | zinx | how pleasant |
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| 00:23.48 | chealer | anti-windows: I don't have it, so you shouldn't need it |
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| 00:23.55 | yavor | anti-windows: weird, have you modified somehow your configuration? At the office I am using Sarge on all machines and it worked with a Printer of the same family (I don't remember the model, but I get the same hints/driver from foomatic-gui when choosing your 610c model) |
| 00:24.12 | neo10-CZE | errors: ZEBRA: netlink-listen filter function error |
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| 00:24.13 | neo10-CZE | Do anyone know, where is problem? |
| 00:24.24 | chealer | usr010: looks like you skipped the first step |
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| 00:24.52 | anti-windows | this hpijs driver is recommended, but it just doesn't work.. |
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| 00:25.42 | tazle | if I try to access a local network interface in any way, I get EINVAL |
| 00:25.52 | tazle | http://rafb.net/paste/results/zE2Wx935.html has a demonstration |
| 00:25.58 | tazle | I wonder what could cause that |
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| 00:26.32 | yavor | anti-windows: ah, and also try to purge the package lpr, it is doiing harmful things sometimes |
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| 00:26.54 | tazle | accessing outside world through the interfaces works well, as does accessing the interfaces from outside world |
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| 00:27.51 | anti-windows | yavor: not installed |
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| 00:28.00 | usr010 | oh i get it? -f install |
| 00:28.02 | a_monkey | just to warn you, i'm not using debian. i'm using an rpm-based distro, but i am using apt. with that said, can i configure apt to use a SRPM repo? |
| 00:28.41 | a_monkey | have apt automatically compile the SRPM and its deps, and install the binary? |
| 00:28.46 | a_monkey | can i do that? |
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| 00:29.55 | a_monkey | or do i have to use either binary rpms, or manually compile the SRPMS myself? |
| 00:30.01 | yavor | anti-windows: another hint (or maybe not) in _these_kinds_of_printers configuration in Debian: when trying multiple approaches, seems that it gets confused, I had huge problems (like yours now) trying to set up an HP printer with low-level tools, foomatic-gui and gnome-cups-manager. I had come to a deadend and then my brother suggested to purge all cups/foomatic/etc packages and start from scratch. It worked! |
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| 00:30.56 | anti-windows | yavor: ive done that several times, but I will do it again. :) Ive got to go though, thanks for all the tips. will try that tip tomorrow when I have time. bye :) |
| 00:31.29 | a_monkey | i guess not. gbye |
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| 00:35.00 | RuffianSoldier | Can anyone here help me with Teamspeak? I got it install, but the sound is all mest up |
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| 00:35.13 | FieldySnuts | ask whoever makes it, proprietary |
| 00:36.31 | shakparl | omg screen |
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| 00:38.38 | RuffianSoldier | im having sound driver problems |
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| 00:39.04 | azreal | something exciteing is bound to happen soon... |
| 00:39.12 | RuffianSoldier | when I open SOund Recorder - and hit Play - I get this message: could not open device /dev/dsp for writing |
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| 00:39.31 | azreal | !irritate greycat |
| 00:39.32 | dpkg | greycat: HELP ME!!! who uses cable lol |
| 00:39.44 | njan | RuffianSoldier, do you have something else blocking the soundcard? |
| 00:39.48 | njan | RuffianSoldier, esd, arts, xmms, etc? |
| 00:39.56 | RuffianSoldier | not that I know of |
| 00:39.57 | njan | !irritate njan |
| 00:39.58 | dpkg | njan: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde hello? |
| 00:40.02 | njan | wow.. cool.. |
| 00:40.07 | njan | I want a bot with !irritate.. |
| 00:40.13 | njan | RuffianSoldier, what desktop environment? |
| 00:40.20 | RuffianSoldier | esd is running........ |
| 00:40.22 | RuffianSoldier | Gnome |
| 00:40.26 | njan | RuffianSoldier, it'll be esd then |
| 00:40.31 | njan | RuffianSoldier, killall esd and I bet you it'll work |
| 00:40.32 | RuffianSoldier | kill it? |
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| 00:40.47 | njan | yeah, or alter sound recorder to output via esd; I have no idea if it'll talk to esd or not, I don't use it :) |
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| 00:41.02 | RuffianSoldier | still screwed up |
| 00:41.15 | njan | quit and reopen sound recorder, most programs call alsa when they start. |
| 00:41.17 | RuffianSoldier | and when I hit record i hear all this annoying sound |
| 00:41.28 | RuffianSoldier | i have quit and reopend it alot |
| 00:41.34 | RuffianSoldier | and im trying to get teamspeak to work also |
| 00:41.34 | njan | since killing esd? |
| 00:41.37 | RuffianSoldier | yes |
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| 00:41.58 | njan | Ah. Can't help you then; I'm killing time until my wife comes in the room, and wife > #debian :) |
| 00:42.24 | dvs | njan: Get your priorities straight! ;-) |
| 00:42.28 | RuffianSoldier | lol |
| 00:42.32 | RuffianSoldier | :( :( |
| 00:42.36 | njan | dvs, damn right. Cuddles on couch > irc |
| 00:42.39 | RuffianSoldier | i am sad >:( |
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| 00:42.53 | njan | RuffianSoldier, sorry. I'd give you some cuddles, but they're much nicer with my wife :) |
| 00:43.05 | dvs | njan: irc > nag nag nag |
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| 00:43.13 | njan | dvs, my wife > your wife :) |
| 00:43.52 | azreal | my wife is a symbolic link to /dev/zero |
| 00:44.13 | dvs | azreal: Your money is then a symbolic link to /dev/null |
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| 00:44.50 | azreal | dvs: yeah, and also /dev/bar |
| 00:44.57 | njan | chown njan:njan /dev/wallet |
| 00:45.01 | njan | chmod 700 /dev/wallet |
| 00:45.06 | njan | 0:) |
| 00:45.30 | usr010 | grav trails screensavers has got to be the coolest screen ever heh |
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| 00:45.40 | njan | usr010, <3 glmatrix |
| 00:45.59 | dli | does lyx support xim ? |
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| 00:47.36 | Xenguy | dli: what's xim? |
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| 00:48.40 | dli | Xenguy, X-Input-Module (I think), to input non-english languages |
| 00:48.44 | mfRoo | hi |
| 00:48.55 | Xenguy | dli: ahh -- no idea, sorry |
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| 00:50.01 | mfRoo | What's the best chroot jailing tool in Debian? (not having much luck with makejail and sshd... apparently I'm not setting up the user right...) |
| 00:50.13 | mightyflorist | i'm trying to configure apt after setting up from a minicd install, but no matter which ftp/http source I choose, it just throws the error of 'cannot connect to ftp.debian.org:21 (1.0.0.0' and after cancelling, 'E: method ftp has died unexpectedly! E: tried to dequeue a fetching object' |
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| 00:50.33 | caphuso | mightyflorist: "minicd install"? |
| 00:50.43 | psyc_ | hi.... i got gdesklets installed by debian, and im getting an error with LTCandy stuff, AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'cpu' |
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| 00:51.00 | psyc_ | does anyone had already got anything like this ? |
| 00:51.05 | mightyflorist | caphuso: uhm... this? http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 00:51.08 | resiak | psyc_: Yeah, I'm getting it too. I'm working on it... |
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| 00:51.28 | caphuso | mightyflorist: ah, people general call those "netinst" |
| 00:51.32 | psyc_ | resiak, im trying to fix it too |
| 00:51.41 | resiak | psyc_: I doubt I'll get anywhere. |
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| 00:51.58 | mightyflorist | caphuso: aah, thanky |
| 00:52.14 | psyc_ | resiak, i know python.... so maybe this can help me |
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| 00:52.25 | dvs | mightyflorist: Try ftp.us.debian.org. |
| 00:52.28 | caphuso | we didn't have that error in quite some time and i forgot the solution |
| 00:52.35 | jeff_ | i'm having some problems with a powerpc. I just upgraded from woody to sarge and when i tried to switch to yaboot from quik the system now isn't booting. Is there someway i can use one of the debian-installer CDs as a rescue disk? |
| 00:52.36 | _joey | is there a standard manual for debian? |
| 00:52.47 | resiak | psyc_: I've consumed too much wine to be much use :) |
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| 00:53.00 | resiak | _joey: The Debian Reference? |
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| 00:53.06 | dondelelcaro | _joey: the closest thing extant now is the debian quick reference |
| 00:53.09 | dondelelcaro | !debian reference |
| 00:53.09 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 00:53.14 | ciphergoth | I've installed standard i386 Debian on my AMD64-based system, but nvidia-kernel-source isn't working for me |
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| 00:54.10 | ciphergoth | (testing distro) I'm running 2.6.8-10-amd64-k8, I get the error "error: code model `kernel' not supported in the 32 bit mode" |
| 00:54.22 | resiak | psyc_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289779 |
| 00:54.25 | resiak | psyc_: Sounds about right. |
| 00:54.40 | ciphergoth | anyone else using a 2 |
| 00:55.03 | ciphergoth | anyone else using a 32-bit userland, a 64-bit kernel, and an NVidia binary driver? |
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| 00:56.02 | Berlin | IS there a chance to actiave logging for lilo ? |
| 00:56.12 | Kheldar^ | where would it log to :p |
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| 00:56.19 | Kheldar^ | bootblock? ;) |
| 00:56.36 | jeff_ | exit |
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| 00:56.39 | caphuso | 512 bytes of logged fun |
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| 00:56.43 | dondelelcaro | Kheldar^: if you'd ever need a log from lilo, you don't want it to log anywhere |
| 00:57.00 | dondelelcaro | since that usually means that lilo has no clue where anything on the disk actually is |
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| 00:57.24 | AngelG | I have a network which uses wireless for everyone to connect to the internet - but we can't see each others machines - how can we get around this so we can transfer files, share printers etc |
| 00:57.53 | dondelelcaro | AngelG: you can always see the other machines if they're addressable, which they will be. |
| 00:58.15 | dondelelcaro | AngelG: FE, if you know the other machine's IP, you can always ping it, scp from it, etc. |
| 00:58.26 | AngelG | dondelelcaro, I've tried nmap 192.168.1.* and all i get is myself and the router |
| 00:58.36 | Glitters | why when i type "startx" it tells me (errno 2): unable to connect to X server ? |
| 00:58.44 | dondelelcaro | AngelG: are the other machines actually on 192.168.1.*? |
| 00:58.50 | jethro | dondelelcaro: some AP prevent communictaion between client stations |
| 00:58.59 | ciphergoth | Glitters: what happens if you type just X? |
| 00:59.00 | dondelelcaro | s#\.\*#/24#g |
| 00:59.06 | Glitters | i'll try |
| 00:59.08 | AngelG | dondelelcaro, yup - we all get our IP address from the same DHCP server |
| 00:59.10 | dondelelcaro | jethro: those would be broken AP |
| 00:59.13 | Glitters | command not found :D |
| 00:59.29 | resiak | Glitters: Is X even installed? |
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| 00:59.38 | priest | anyone who have experince with connecting bind to mysql? |
| 00:59.40 | Glitters | i've just apt-get install kde |
| 00:59.43 | jethro | dondelelcaro: cisco AP I played with had such a feature by default, used for hotspots |
| 00:59.47 | _joey | I downloaded sarge iso snapshot of 31st , burnt cd . Installer fails with error message no partion media can be found on my stadard x86 xystem. Is it possible to get floppy images for sarge and get the base files from iso image and put it on existing fs and the install Debian? |
| 00:59.52 | resiak | Glitters: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 00:59.55 | ciphergoth | Glitters: does aptitude indicate that any packages are broke? |
| 00:59.59 | resiak | _joey: How did you burn it? |
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| 01:00.06 | resiak | Glitters: KDE doesn't depend on X. |
| 01:00.07 | hacim | dpkg, 2.4->2.6 |
| 01:00.07 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, hacim |
| 01:00.08 | AngelG | i have my iMac G5 - and my P4 deathmachine and my lappie all here - in the same room - connected to wireless AP - and none can see each other |
| 01:00.11 | mfRoo | hi |
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| 01:00.18 | resiak | Glitters: Or at least not on an X server, since you could run it remotely. |
| 01:00.21 | hacim | hmm, isn't there a dpkg entry for upgrading from a 2.4 kernel to 2.6? |
| 01:00.23 | resiak | !faq Glitters |
| 01:00.24 | Glitters | no it didnt indicate on any errors |
| 01:00.24 | dpkg | Glitters: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 01:00.25 | _joey | resiak in the oven |
| 01:00.35 | resiak | hacim: apt-get install a new kernel, reboot. |
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| 01:00.37 | Glitters | then how can i run kde now? |
| 01:00.39 | dondelelcaro | AngelG: and if you send a ping packet to 255.255.255.255? does anything show up in tcpdump? |
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| 01:00.40 | priest | resiak: are you trying to be funny? :P |
| 01:00.42 | jethro | dondelelcaro: but but it was possible to disable it, thank god |
| 01:00.45 | AngelG | jethro, I've noticed that in the manual - i think i'll look it up ... |
| 01:00.47 | CSRx | how do i make my shoutcast server (sc_serv) run automatically when booted up? |
| 01:00.47 | resiak | _joey: No, seriously. Tell me you didn't extract the ISO |
| 01:00.51 | hacim | resiak: doesn't work... gives "No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled" |
| 01:00.58 | _joey | sorry? |
| 01:01.02 | resiak | hacim: Sarge? WoodY? |
| 01:01.03 | _joey | extract iso? |
| 01:01.03 | jethro | AngelG: I d look at the ap configuration to check if such a thing exists |
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| 01:01.10 | hacim | resiak: sarge |
| 01:01.11 | AngelG | jethro, I think it does |
| 01:01.11 | resiak | _joey: How did you burn it? |
| 01:01.13 | resiak | hacim: Hmm. |
| 01:01.14 | CSRx | i have sarge |
| 01:01.17 | _joey | go away man |
| 01:01.23 | mightyflorist | "That is a bug in apt which happens when dselect calls it to update the package list." How would I get around that problem then from trying to finish a netinst? |
| 01:01.23 | resiak | _joey: No, I'm serious |
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| 01:01.27 | AngelG | tcpdump? Never done that before |
| 01:01.42 | _joey | I am asking if it's possible to boot from floppies and install the base from existing fs |
| 01:01.47 | dondelelcaro | AngelG: that will show you all packets impinging on an interface |
| 01:02.02 | resiak | _joey: A lot of people burn the ISO as the only file on the disk, or burn the ISO's contents. |
| 01:02.17 | uGexe | what shell does debian sarge use as default |
| 01:02.21 | resiak | hacim: What did you apt-get install? |
| 01:02.22 | _joey | I ran md5sum to check the integrity of the iso. and used cdrecord to burn the iso onto a blank cd |
| 01:02.28 | resiak | uGexe: Whatever you tell it to, |
| 01:02.35 | resiak | _joey: Okay, sorry for doubting you. I had to check. |
| 01:02.38 | hacim | resiak: kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 01:02.43 | CSRx | how do i make my shoutcast server (sc_serv) run automatically when booted up? |
| 01:02.48 | resiak | hacim: That exact package? |
| 01:02.48 | ciphergoth | _joey: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/ |
| 01:02.49 | _joey | resiak I can' see you are talking from you past experiencesx:) |
| 01:02.49 | Thrawn | Im capturing packets using tcpdump -w <file>; but it seems that I am not getting all of the information that I could ... If I use ethereal to capture I get much more information... (they are on seperate machines) ... any ideas on how I can get more information into my tcpdump? |
| 01:02.54 | uGexe | resiak: did i tell it during installation or what |
| 01:02.54 | resiak | _joey: Hell yes :| |
| 01:02.58 | ciphergoth | _joey: but listen to resiak |
| 01:02.59 | resiak | uGexe: You do, yes. |
| 01:03.06 | jethro | Thrawn: man tcpdump look for snaplen |
| 01:03.08 | resiak | uGexe: Or apt-get install whatever the hell you want |
| 01:03.14 | resiak | uGexe: Oh, you actually mean shell not DE? |
| 01:03.18 | uGexe | yea |
| 01:03.30 | resiak | uGexe: Sorry :) bash. |
| 01:03.34 | uGexe | thanks |
| 01:03.45 | _joey | he's funny, if it wasn't burnt properly it wouldn't boot off cd at all |
| 01:03.46 | Thrawn | jethro: thank you |
| 01:03.47 | Glitters | resiak: i've fineshed downloading and installing kde, now how to run it? |
| 01:03.49 | jethro | Thrawn: yw |
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| 01:03.53 | Kerr | How can i see what versions of wine are available to install via apt? |
| 01:03.55 | resiak | Glitters: apt-get install gdm |
| 01:04.01 | resiak | Glitters: I presume that's what you want. |
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| 01:04.05 | resiak | Glitters: Do you have X installed? |
| 01:04.09 | nabziF | I'm having issues getting debian s390x 2.6.8 kernel to boot up correctly ... related to the modules not loading or initializing correctly. |
| 01:04.12 | Glitters | no i dont think so |
| 01:04.16 | Glitters | how can i be sure? |
| 01:04.23 | travisat | Glitters: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:04.29 | travisat | Glitters: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 01:04.30 | pingouin1 | Kerr: apt-cache show «package name» |
| 01:04.33 | resiak | Glitters: I already told you that. |
| 01:04.39 | Kerr | thanks |
| 01:04.43 | Glitters | allright... |
| 01:04.45 | Glitters | just wanna make sure |
| 01:04.48 | nabziF | is there any better irc channel to ask debian-s390 questions? |
| 01:04.53 | _joey | ciphergoth which ones do I need boot.img and root.img ? |
| 01:04.53 | Thrawn | jethro: that was it, thanks so much! :)( |
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| 01:05.01 | jethro | Thrawn: of course it was :) |
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| 01:05.59 | Kerr | pingouin1: that is just the latest version... it does not work with sidenet :-/ how can i see -all- available versions ? |
| 01:06.06 | Glitters | resiak: whats the gdm exactly is? |
| 01:06.14 | Glitters | do i need it after apt-get install x-window-system-core ? |
| 01:06.30 | pingouin1 | Kerr: what do you mean -all- ? |
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| 01:07.20 | resiak | Glitters: It's a graphical login manager. You don't need it, but I can tell that you'll be unpleasantly surprised unless you get it. apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm |
| 01:07.22 | pingouin1 | Kerr: if you dont want the version of apt-get from youre debian flavor, you're on your own, grab the source or the last cvs and build it ;) |
| 01:07.22 | AngelG | I did a ping broadcast, and NOTHING, not a sausage, replied! |
| 01:07.27 | Kerr | pingouin1: pingouin1 I have multiple apt sources, many i assume will have older versions to the alpha release at winehq, i'm trying to see them. |
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| 01:07.39 | ciphergoth | _joey: both |
| 01:07.53 | ciphergoth | boot from boot, install root when prompted |
| 01:08.13 | Glitters | resiak: allright, we'll see :> |
| 01:08.20 | resiak | Glitters: Yeah :) |
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| 01:08.23 | Kerr | pingouin1: as the current winehq release, as with the current latest debian testing release, b0rks sidenet wineconfig on my box. |
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| 01:08.41 | ciphergoth | _joey: and floppies for one other as well, depending on where you plan to get packages from |
| 01:08.42 | oobe | dpkg, do eat poo |
| 01:09.12 | uGexe | after doing modprobe emu10k1 and adduser gp sound, i still am not getting any sounds. is there another step I am missing? |
| 01:09.14 | ciphergoth | damn, no other amd64 users I guess... |
| 01:09.24 | AngelG | At the very least - my gateway should have replied to my broadcast ping |
| 01:09.31 | resiak | dpkg: do oobe with a barbed stick |
| 01:09.32 | cafuego | #debian-amd64 |
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| 01:09.40 | cafuego | lotsa amd64 users |
| 01:09.42 | resiak | uGexe: logout, login? |
| 01:09.44 | oobe | dpkg, hotmail |
| 01:09.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, hotmail is from satan, or a poor joke, or ascii pr0n, not html mail! |
| 01:09.49 | resiak | uGexe: Are you trying to use OSS rather than ALSA? |
| 01:09.52 | snadge | is there a way to get a server to reboot remotely using ftp? |
| 01:09.58 | resiak | snadge: FTP?! |
| 01:10.00 | snadge | hehe |
| 01:10.02 | ciphergoth | cafuego: ta! |
| 01:10.02 | resiak | snadge: Over SSH, sure. |
| 01:10.09 | uGexe | resiak: yes |
| 01:10.12 | resiak | snadge: Log in, sudo shutdown -r now |
| 01:10.16 | snadge | i cant login via ssh.. ssh just stares at me blankly |
| 01:10.18 | resiak | uGexe: Hmm. |
| 01:10.20 | resiak | snadge: Uh. |
| 01:10.30 | snadge | then eventually disconnects me |
| 01:10.42 | James2 | uGexe, try apt-get install alsa-utils then run alsaconf |
| 01:10.47 | oobe | dpkg, google |
| 01:10.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 01:10.56 | oobe | dpkg, cunt |
| 01:10.56 | dpkg | cunt is, like, a pussy, or Completely Useless No-hope Twat. Can't Understand Normal Thinking |
| 01:10.56 | ideafix | when is bebian new realese coming out ? |
| 01:10.57 | snadge | its running out of ram and cpu.. and just wont let me in.. ssh sucks so bad for that |
| 01:10.59 | jethro | snadge: if it's running wu-ftpd then it might be possible |
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| 01:11.04 | ideafix | when is debian new realese coming out ? |
| 01:11.11 | resiak | !tell ideafix about wwsr |
| 01:11.38 | ideafix | its seems pretty close now ! |
| 01:11.40 | snadge | i wish i had've enabled telnetd :/ |
| 01:11.52 | cb_ | what is the file-name for "X includes" I am getting apt-get telling me that it cannot find X includes. |
| 01:11.56 | oobe | !tell oobe about wwsr |
| 01:12.15 | AngelG | something is wrong on my wireless network - i did a broadcast ping - at the very least , my gateway should have replied to my broadcast ping, but nothing, all packets where lost. What can cause this? |
| 01:12.15 | uGexe | will alsa work with a emu10k1 card without me having to build any drivers? |
| 01:12.25 | karsten | OT: what's Wind River's embedded OS platform. Not Linux. Qnix? |
| 01:12.30 | nabziF | so I guess here is good. when trying to boot the 2.6.8 debian kernel, I found I need to update /etc/mkinitrd/modules with two lines to get the dasd modules loaded ... but I can't figure out how the "CTC" setup is "supposed" to happen... I need to run two commands after the ctc module loads in order to use it, where should that be done in etc? |
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| 01:12.36 | jethro | AngelG: not all stacks respond to broadcasted ICMP |
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| 01:12.53 | ideafix | is new debian using grub or lilo ? |
| 01:13.03 | snadge | apache is still working.. and php is still working.. is there a php script i can ftp to my server, which will give me a command shell? |
| 01:13.04 | robin_sz | grub |
| 01:13.05 | larsie | How can I upgrade my kernel easily? Do that with apt-get ? |
| 01:13.12 | karsten | ideafix: Yes. |
| 01:13.15 | AngelG | jethro, Oh .. i see, well, if I can't see it with nmap - what's the chances that it'll get my pings? |
| 01:13.18 | karsten | larsie: Yes. |
| 01:13.21 | resiak | uGexe: If you're using a stock kernel, yes. |
| 01:13.30 | resiak | uGexe: Pretty much effortless in my experience. |
| 01:13.32 | jethro | can you ping the gateway? |
| 01:13.34 | oobe | is there a 64bit version of debian |
| 01:13.36 | jethro | AngelG: ^^ |
| 01:13.41 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 01:13.43 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 01:13.44 | karsten | AngelG: Try nmap with ping disabled. IIRC -P0. |
| 01:14.18 | jethro | AngelG: is the whole wireless network not working or just communiction between client stations? |
| 01:14.22 | Kerr | where do i get old packages again? :-/ ? |
| 01:14.29 | karsten | Kerr: backports.d.o |
| 01:14.33 | jethro | communication even |
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| 01:14.37 | resiak | karsten: snapshots.debian.org |
| 01:14.45 | resiak | Kerr: ^^ |
| 01:14.47 | karsten | Kerr: s/backports/snapshots/ |
| 01:14.47 | cb_ | what is the best mepis packages repository? |
| 01:14.49 | karsten | resiak: Thanks. |
| 01:14.53 | jethro | !mepis |
| 01:14.53 | karsten | !best |
| 01:14.53 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. |
| 01:14.53 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 01:14.55 | resiak | karsten: NP :) |
| 01:15.05 | _joey | do you know if it's possible to turn off raid in BIOS ? |
| 01:15.19 | _joey | know nothing about raids |
| 01:15.24 | ideafix | _joey: arent you a fedora user ? |
| 01:15.31 | karsten | _joey: should be something managed in your RAID controller, in which case, it depends on the controller. |
| 01:15.38 | _joey | yes, fedora too |
| 01:15.39 | _joey | why? |
| 01:15.46 | ideafix | #fedora |
| 01:15.51 | FieldySnuts | @fuck fedora |
| 01:16.03 | _joey | I am talking aobut fedora here |
| 01:16.04 | karsten | FieldySnuts: Isn't that redundant? |
| 01:16.07 | _joey | sarge |
| 01:16.12 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 01:16.12 | karsten | _joey: debian != fedora |
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| 01:16.34 | _joey | karsten well, sarge installer fails search for raid instead of hdd |
| 01:16.40 | ideafix | is != oposite to = ? |
| 01:16.42 | FieldySnuts | fedora sarge. troll. |
| 01:16.48 | karsten | _joey: What's your RAID controller? |
| 01:16.51 | _joey | ideafix <-- is a funny person |
| 01:16.56 | dli | strange thing, people still use fedora after rh 10 |
| 01:16.57 | oobe | !best sex pistols |
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| 01:17.08 | priest | anyone who have experince with connecting bind to mysql-server (for the zones)? |
| 01:17.10 | _joey | karsten don't know, I've got m/b via chipset that supports raid |
| 01:17.11 | oobe | !best tom jones |
| 01:17.40 | karsten | _joey: Reboot your system, watch your BIOS boot messages, and/or crack the case and note your chips. |
| 01:17.42 | ideafix | oobe: i think i saw you at fedora too |
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| 01:17.57 | Glitters | how can i reinstall x-window-system-core ? |
| 01:18.01 | FieldySnuts | those are almost never 100% hardware, just watch out. be prepared to use software raid, which is nice in linux (100% hardware support would be better) |
| 01:18.07 | karsten | _joey: You might also get something out of 'lspci' or looking up your manufacturer's docs online. |
| 01:18.10 | oobe | !best linux distro |
| 01:18.11 | dpkg | methinks best linux distro is Gentoo Linux. |
| 01:18.17 | FieldySnuts | uh oh |
| 01:18.22 | karsten | _joey: Configuring unknown hardware is generally a nontrivial task. |
| 01:18.23 | oobe | woops |
| 01:18.23 | hhstnoc | ! |
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| 01:18.36 | quittt | do you know good cool games for Linux? |
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| 01:18.42 | oobe | tuxracer |
| 01:18.43 | jethro | quittt: nethack |
| 01:18.46 | karsten | Glitters: dpkg-reconfigure foo OR apt-get install --reinstall foo |
| 01:18.50 | resiak | quittt: Do you mean games that _run_ on Linux? |
| 01:18.50 | ideafix | ticktacktoe |
| 01:18.52 | _joey | karsten when I boot off cd, it goes through phase and then fails with message no partion media is found. I looked at messages file it trying to mount raid volumes for some reasons. I don't have this problem on woody |
| 01:18.54 | karsten | quittt: irssi |
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| 01:18.57 | oobe | gnuchess |
| 01:18.59 | _joey | it's not uknown |
| 01:19.02 | quittt | resiak, good games for Linux |
| 01:19.03 | resiak | quittt: Doom 3? Deus Ex? Nethack? Unreal Tournament? |
| 01:19.09 | quittt | oobe, I dont like chess hehe |
| 01:19.11 | ideafix | ticktacktoe is the best |
| 01:19.15 | oobe | fari enough |
| 01:19.17 | quittt | hehe |
| 01:19.18 | Glitters | karsten: foo ? |
| 01:19.18 | karsten | _joey: Suggest you figure out what your hardware is before wasting more of my time. |
| 01:19.18 | resiak | quittt: Of those, only Deus Ex needed Cedega (and yes, you can get it free). |
| 01:19.21 | ideafix | its played with a knif |
| 01:19.22 | karsten | !foo |
| 01:19.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food, or ask me about 'Mr. T' |
| 01:19.27 | oobe | dpkg, cunt |
| 01:19.27 | dpkg | from memory, cunt is a pussy, or Completely Useless No-hope Twat. Can't Understand Normal Thinking |
| 01:19.28 | quittt | resiak, free? |
| 01:19.31 | quittt | resiak, where? |
| 01:19.32 | resiak | quittt: Oh, I see. |
| 01:19.34 | oobe | dpkg, fart |
| 01:19.38 | ideafix | ticktacktoe its played with a knife right ? |
| 01:19.40 | karsten | oobe: Enough. |
| 01:19.41 | resiak | quittt: Google for cvscedega |
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| 01:19.48 | quittt | ahh |
| 01:19.52 | quittt | I have to compile |
| 01:19.53 | quittt | that sux |
| 01:19.54 | _joey | karsten what I told about eh hardware IBM hdd, m/b with via chipset what else do you want to know? |
| 01:20.07 | resiak | quittt: Uh, yeah. Or you could pay €10 for Cedega proper |
| 01:20.10 | karsten | _joey: Your RAID controller. |
| 01:20.11 | _joey | karsten as I said I installed woody before and another linux distro no problems |
| 01:20.25 | girt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.28 | _joey | is it possible to fin d through bios? |
| 01:20.38 | _joey | karsten i don't think you know what you are talmking about |
| 01:20.38 | FieldySnuts | they're asking what it is, not that other info. |
| 01:20.46 | karsten | _joey: If it's onboard, your specific mobo would be helpful. Though I'll tell you to JFGI rather than type you the results. |
| 01:20.50 | resiak | quittt: It's all automated. |
| 01:20.53 | FieldySnuts | yeah, great way to get help, tell those trying to help you they don't know what they're talking about. |
| 01:20.53 | _joey | even I found its tech information |
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| 01:20.56 | FieldySnuts | enjoy |
| 01:20.56 | quittt | resiak, well |
| 01:21.01 | quittt | resiak, is there a .deb package? |
| 01:21.05 | karsten | _joey: That's always near the top of my list of possibilities. However you don't seem to clear to concept either. |
| 01:21.07 | _joey | karsten it is on board |
| 01:21.09 | resiak | quittt: No, but. |
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| 01:21.14 | Glitters | !foo |
| 01:21.14 | dpkg | [foo] the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food, or ask me about 'Mr. T' |
| 01:21.15 | resiak | quittt: FGI, download, run. I |
| 01:21.17 | resiak | quittt: |
| 01:21.26 | karsten | _joey: An onboard controller simply means there's a chip soldered to your fucking mobo. |
| 01:21.35 | resiak | quittt: FGI, download, run. It's automated, like I say. |
| 01:21.37 | _joey | karsten how do you explain woody's installer working and fedora linux working o0n this hardware with 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? |
| 01:21.41 | karsten | _joey: Someone *still* makes the chip. And you need to know what it is and how it configures itself. |
| 01:21.49 | _joey | why are you telling me all this the raid/ |
| 01:21.54 | Glitters | resiak: i've fineshed with apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm , now what? |
| 01:21.55 | _joey | you are you nuts or what? |
| 01:21.57 | quittt | resiak, ok |
| 01:22.01 | karsten | _joey: I don't. However if you know what the chip is, and how to configure it, you'll probably solve your problem. |
| 01:22.01 | quittt | resiak, but NATIVE games |
| 01:22.02 | Grock | can someone send me their x config for an IBook 800 Mhz G3 |
| 01:22.08 | quittt | ones that you can apt-get install foo |
| 01:22.08 | zakame | quittt: telnet |
| 01:22.11 | _joey | karsten nuts:) |
| 01:22.13 | resiak | quittt: Doom 3, Quake 3, Unreal tournament, for example. |
| 01:22.27 | quittt | resiak, I have Quake 3, Doom 3 wont run here |
| 01:22.28 | resiak | quittt: Nethack really is good. |
| 01:22.33 | ideafix | enemy territory |
| 01:22.33 | quittt | Nethack? |
| 01:22.35 | karsten | _joey: I didn't ask for your surrender. |
| 01:22.38 | resiak | quittt: apt-get install nethack |
| 01:22.40 | quittt | ideafix, I have that too |
| 01:22.47 | quittt | resiak, I am getting some games |
| 01:22.55 | quittt | I am fan of Linux native games =[ |
| 01:22.57 | quittt | I am fan of Linux native games =] |
| 01:22.58 | resiak | quittt: Badger the authors of games that look good. |
| 01:23.00 | quittt | lol |
| 01:23.10 | _joey | karsten I asked you a question how do you epxlain all other installers working on this hardware , except sarge's which also happen to be testing release? |
| 01:23.11 | resiak | quittt: I'm serious. |
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| 01:23.12 | quittt | resiak, Nethack is text |
| 01:23.14 | ideafix | americas army |
| 01:23.15 | resiak | quittt: Yeah, and? |
| 01:23.17 | _joey | why you are crapping about raid? |
| 01:23.18 | quittt | resiak, how does it work? |
| 01:23.19 | Glitters | resiak: just startx now? |
| 01:23.22 | ideafix | americas army is the best |
| 01:23.22 | _joey | karsten: you are nuts |
| 01:23.27 | quittt | resiak, what do you have to do? |
| 01:23.28 | _joey | no more disucssions |
| 01:23.37 | resiak | quittt: RTFM? |
| 01:23.40 | AngelG | Speaking of linux native games - does anyone know of any games that run on linux and mac OS X (bsd) |
| 01:23.53 | bbrazil | quittt: get the amulet of yendor. read the manual (its big). very addictive |
| 01:24.05 | quittt | bbrazil, fala cara... n precisa ser groco |
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| 01:24.12 | resiak | Glitters: You got gdm? As root, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 01:24.22 | quittt | resiak, ok... I didnt meant to be agressive |
| 01:24.45 | resiak | quittt: Sorry, I'm being an arse. It's basically an adventure. Quite addictive. |
| 01:24.50 | bbrazil | quittt: I'm not brazilian. I don't speak portugese |
| 01:24.59 | quittt | why bbrazil ?? |
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| 01:25.30 | quittt | I want a good race game |
| 01:25.31 | karsten | _joey: I _have_ nuts, yes, but that's irrelevant. |
| 01:25.38 | quittt | that's not tuxracer and tuxkart |
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| 01:25.47 | AngelGabriel | something is wrong on my wireless network - i did a broadcast ping - at the very least , my gateway should have replied to my broadcast ping, but nothing, all packets where lost. What can cause this? |
| 01:26.07 | karsten | _joey: Debian HW detection is still pretty rudimentary. Generally it helps to know what you're trying to configure. Which you'd apparently _not_ do in favor of insulting those trying to help you. |
| 01:26.22 | jethro | AngelGabriel: did you look at the AP configuration? |
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| 01:27.00 | bbrazil | quittt: do a /whois |
| 01:27.19 | quittt | haha |
| 01:27.20 | quittt | wow |
| 01:27.20 | Glitters | i've configured x-window-system-core wrong, and i need to reconfigure it, it seems that dpkg-reconfigure doesnt work well... |
| 01:27.32 | ciphergoth | newsflash - mixed-wordlength systems turn out to be a pain... |
| 01:27.47 | karsten | Glitters: doesn't work how? |
| 01:27.48 | jethro | Glitters: dpkg-reconfigure -p low xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:27.53 | karsten | !tell Glitters about doesn't work |
| 01:27.56 | giwe | Does anyone know how to do radeonfb+s3 resume or suggest a channel? |
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| 01:28.27 | Glitters | well... karsten... |
| 01:29.21 | Glitters | it just doesnt prompt me to the previous configuration screen that i had when i first apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 01:29.44 | karsten | Glitters: Try jethro's suggestion then. |
| 01:29.46 | Glitters | it just moves one line down |
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| 01:29.56 | resiak | !drxx |
| 01:29.56 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 01:30.11 | _joey | karsten you are nuts |
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| 01:30.50 | karsten | Glitters: Note that xserver-common and xserver-xfree86 are two different packages. x-window-system-core is a metapackage that includes a number of others. If you're missing a specific config, you might check to see what packages it's installing and trying to reconfig each. |
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| 01:31.15 | ciphergoth | aptitude makes this much easier: you can explore the dependencies graphically |
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| 01:31.20 | Eejay | hello |
| 01:31.29 | ciphergoth | and there's a key that means "reconfigure this" (anyone remember what it is?) |
| 01:31.34 | Thaiger | Can anyone help me I had X working before then I recompiled a kernel to have framebuffer, now when I do a startx I get SubSection "extmod" Module Section Keyword Expected, any advice? |
| 01:31.59 | karsten | Thaiger: Don't use framebuffer. It's inferior to native X drivers. |
| 01:32.13 | Eejay | hello everubody I'm having a hard time instaling debianis there any onethat can help |
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| 01:32.16 | quittt | is Doom 3 better than Circus Linux? |
| 01:32.33 | robin_sz | nealry |
| 01:32.35 | zOap | hey, this may be a stupid ass question but.. I'm using the Icewm and debian testing.. And I can't for life find out where to empty the trash bin... is there an x command or whatever? really need help here please |
| 01:32.36 | karsten | !tell Eejay about ask |
| 01:32.47 | robin_sz | circus linux has more clowns than doom3 |
| 01:32.58 | Azar | guys I am trying to add myself "adduser mynick sound" and it tells me the group sound does not exist, what can I do? |
| 01:33.04 | Thaiger | karsten: Right now whenever I use X it seems to crash at random and then I can't switch to a VC all I get is a green stripe across the login screen then when I press enter it just scrolls the picture |
| 01:33.05 | karsten | zOap: SWAG: right-click on the trash icon? |
| 01:33.07 | inetd | dam i try hard to make my ONLY browser as firefox..but it fails...some sites dont work with it... |
| 01:33.14 | Azar | hi karsten :) |
| 01:33.20 | resiak | inetd: Well, complain at them. Which sites? |
| 01:33.40 | karsten | Thaiger: reboot with 'vga=ask' at boot prompt (you can enter this w/ either LILO _or_ GRUB), and pick a non-FB option. |
| 01:33.45 | inetd | resiak: complaining is not an option...thats a banking site btw. there should be another way :( |
| 01:33.46 | karsten | Azar: Hola. |
| 01:33.47 | zOap | karsten, haha, There is no Trash icon, there is no icons at all.. |
| 01:33.53 | resiak | inetd: Install Java? |
| 01:33.55 | Azar | :D |
| 01:33.58 | karsten | zOap: OK, what's this trash of which you speak? |
| 01:34.03 | resiak | inetd: THEN MOAN! If you con't complain, it won't chance? |
| 01:34.15 | ciphergoth | inetd: amusing, no? They're the one's that most need better-than-IE security. |
| 01:34.18 | zOap | karsten, the trash bin? |
| 01:34.19 | resiak | s/chance/change/ |
| 01:34.21 | resiak | s/?/! |
| 01:35.00 | karsten | zOap: You're going to have to be a bit more specific. In general, Linux doesn't *have* a "trash" bin. Some desktop environments provide one, but they vary. AFAIR icewm doesn't use it. |
| 01:35.14 | inetd | ciphergoth: they seem to believe in IE for 2 things, elegant looks, majority rule |
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| 01:35.58 | karsten | zOap: Are you a linux newbie? |
| 01:36.06 | Glitters | my laptop mouse, is it called a GlidePointPS/2 or should i leave it at PS/2 ? |
| 01:36.14 | zOap | karsten, but i rightclicked on a folder, a huge on. and selected send to trash. and the amount of diskspace is still the same.. |
| 01:36.23 | inetd | Glitters: yes |
| 01:36.26 | zOap | karsten, yeah, well. kinda |
| 01:36.48 | karsten | Glitters: ps/2 should work. If glidepoint works, you might prefer that, may offer additional functionality. Read the mouse docs under /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/ |
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| 01:37.26 | Glitters | kthx |
| 01:37.30 | Glitters | :> |
| 01:38.10 | Thaiger | I tried rebooting with vga=ask, but I still get the same SubSection "extmod" module section keyword expected |
| 01:38.16 | karsten | zOap: What's your file manager? |
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| 01:38.30 | inetd | is there a #slashdot channel? |
| 01:38.38 | zOap | karsten, emelfm |
| 01:38.48 | zOap | karsten, and krusader.. |
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| 01:38.59 | zOap | karsten, i think i used krusader to delete it.. |
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| 01:39.14 | karsten | zOap: Then read the kursader docs. |
| 01:39.33 | karsten | ideal: /query chanserv list *slashdot* |
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| 01:39.56 | zOap | karsten, ok, thanx |
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| 01:40.14 | Glitters | damn |
| 01:40.14 | kbrooks | join #python |
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| 01:40.16 | kbrooks | oops |
| 01:40.29 | karsten | zOap: Basically: trash management is specific to the file management utility you're using. Figure out where it stores its crud. |
| 01:40.32 | Glitters | when i type X, it get me to a fatal error and quit, when i type startx, the same :((( |
| 01:40.44 | karsten | Glitters: less /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 01:40.49 | Glitters | it tells me that "no screen found" !! |
| 01:40.50 | karsten | Glitters: ...and ~/.xsession.wmaker |
| 01:40.55 | zOap | karsten, yeah ill do that thanx for all your help:) have a nice weekend:) |
| 01:40.56 | karsten | Glitters: Erm. ~/.xsession-errors |
| 01:41.03 | karsten | zOap: NP and thanks. |
| 01:41.14 | rob__ | does anyone know how to enable in the kernel to support over 880 MB of ram |
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| 01:41.19 | rob__ | i have a gig, but it only sees like 880 |
| 01:41.26 | _joey | are there docs on how to install sun's java on debian? |
| 01:41.37 | karsten | rob__: No option required. 'free' may show what's up. Or 'dmesg' |
| 01:41.42 | Eejay | dose anyone know why I keep getting a black screen when trying to log on debian |
| 01:41.55 | _joey | by the way what non-free software is available for debian? vmware available? |
| 01:41.57 | jay | has anybody noticed that all the java files have gone missing, like sun-j2sdk1.5debian? |
| 01:41.59 | rob__ | karsten, no i have 1024 , but max is only 880 |
| 01:42.11 | rob__ | thats all it sees |
| 01:42.16 | _joey | jay: missing from where? |
| 01:42.28 | jay | _joey: from the repositories |
| 01:42.31 | karsten | rob__: Is your memory being shared w/ video or other devices? |
| 01:42.34 | Kulk | good night |
| 01:42.38 | inetd | anyone got a dockapp for weather reporting? local |
| 01:42.40 | _joey | jay debian's reps? |
| 01:42.51 | Eejay | anyone in the hose that can help me out with a debian install |
| 01:42.57 | rob__ | karsten, no, lol, debian by default does not have the flags to see over 880 of ram |
| 01:43.07 | resiak | !tell jay about java |
| 01:43.19 | jay | _joey: yes. java-package is still there to turn the .bin's into a .deb but the helper files like sun-j2sdk1.5debian are gone |
| 01:43.41 | p2-mate | rob__: enable high mem support in the kernel |
| 01:43.51 | jay | resiak: that doesn't explain why they have dissapeared from the repos. i'm not a java fun either so don't... |
| 01:44.00 | _joey | jay: don't know anything abut it. but I am going to install java once debian is installed |
| 01:44.06 | karsten | rob__: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=175419 |
| 01:44.08 | rob__ | p2-mate, yeah how do i do that |
| 01:44.17 | _joey | jay: either ask questions on the mailing lists or its package maintainer |
| 01:44.36 | Eejay | dose anyone know why i keep getting a lack screen when trying to log in |
| 01:44.36 | p2-mate | rob__: choose the HIGMEM support item in the kernel config menu ? :) |
| 01:44.38 | Glitters | karsten !! man !! |
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| 01:44.48 | jay | _joey: don't know who the maintainer is if the package no longer appears on the website anywhere ;) but yeah i was looking at the java mailing list |
| 01:44.48 | rob__ | ok so i need to rebuild then |
| 01:44.51 | resiak | jay: Actually, Java is a pet peeve of mine since I study it at uni next year and I fear that I will be forced to use non-Free java. |
| 01:44.59 | rob__ | ps-mate, i have to rebuild then |
| 01:45.06 | jay | resiak: tis the world we live in |
| 01:45.10 | karsten | Glitters: ?? |
| 01:45.18 | Glitters | i typed "less /var/log/XFree86.0.log" and HOW can i get out of this log??? :S |
| 01:45.22 | Eejay | is there anyone that can help me with aproblem that I'm having with installing debian? |
| 01:45.29 | resiak | jay: And it shouldn't be at a uni. |
| 01:45.37 | Grock | I'm having problem too!!! |
| 01:45.40 | resiak | jay: If I can't get away with gcj and the like, I'm gonna be a pain in the arse. |
| 01:45.42 | resiak | Grock: q |
| 01:45.42 | rob__ | glitters press q |
| 01:45.43 | jay | resiak: luckily i got out of the intro CS classes before they made their students start using BlueJ (look it up, it may make you feel better :P) |
| 01:45.45 | resiak | Uh. |
| 01:45.58 | Glitters | oh ok |
| 01:45.59 | Glitters | hehe |
| 01:46.06 | Eejay | yes or no? |
| 01:46.38 | karsten | rob__: Possibly: CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 01:46.43 | Glitters | karsten: ok it tells me that screen(s) is found, but none have a usable configuration |
| 01:46.47 | karsten | Glitters: 'q' |
| 01:46.48 | rob__ | karsten thx |
| 01:46.52 | rob__ | ill chcek it out |
| 01:46.58 | resiak | jay: Oh my good G=d. You win :) |
| 01:47.09 | kanati | Quick question. I'm running Xfree86 4.3.0 and I need to be running 4.2.0 or earlier to get XVideo working on my nvidia. I can't find any .deb package to do that and cant find old packages with apt-cache. Xfree86s releases are all binaries with an install script. Anyone know if the script works in debian or if there is a way to get apt to downgade a version?? |
| 01:47.10 | karsten | Glitters: Sounds like you've got an invalid X config. You want to reconfigure it. Probably mismatched to your monitor specs. |
| 01:47.27 | karsten | !tell kanati about backports |
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| 01:48.06 | thu | i was trying to install apache on my box did a apt-get install apache-common doesn't seem to have installed apache successfully, any additional help would be appreciated |
| 01:48.15 | Glitters | i just pressed enter on some blank lines... i dont know how to precisly configure this man, is'nt there any autoconfiguration for it? :S |
| 01:48.29 | caphuso | resiak: no, i win. i didn't manage to get out of class before we had to use bluej |
| 01:48.31 | karsten | Glitters: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:48.42 | resiak | caphuso: I feel your pain... |
| 01:48.44 | karsten | Glitters: It remembers your previous config. |
| 01:48.48 | caphuso | so... useless |
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| 01:48.57 | karsten | resiak: Do something useful. Feel his manhood. |
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| 01:49.22 | Glitters | karsten: yeah, but it seems that my previous config is not worthy :P |
| 01:49.30 | resiak | caphuso: If me learning Oberon is any consolation...? |
| 01:49.42 | karsten | Glitters: mv /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.bak |
| 01:49.46 | amyb | I'm trying to upgrade form woody to sarge. the release notes says to use aptitude -f --with-suggests --with-recommends dist-upgrade . I downloaded the testing version of apititude and it doesn't have the --with-suggests option. will it break anything badly if run without this option? |
| 01:49.58 | thefly | i'm sorry |
| 01:50.02 | karsten | Glitters: That saves the prior file but resets all your options. Clean slate. |
| 01:50.04 | thefly | but when did debian start? in what year? |
| 01:50.15 | karsten | !forgive thefly |
| 01:50.16 | dpkg | Well, thefly boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. *blows thefly head apart with .44 magnum* |
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| 01:50.20 | karsten | thefly: 1994 |
| 01:50.26 | karsten | thefly: August. |
| 01:50.29 | caphuso | resiak: oberon? that's yet another pascal wannabe, right? |
| 01:51.02 | karsten | thefly: Um. 1993. |
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| 01:51.08 | thefly | thanks |
| 01:51.14 | karsten | thefly: http://www.debian.org/News/1998/19980813c |
| 01:51.17 | thefly | karsten: what about a final date? |
| 01:51.23 | karsten | thefly: ?? |
| 01:51.49 | caphuso | resiak: oh, indeed. OO language created by wirth himself |
| 01:51.53 | karsten | thefly: I prefer avoiding last dates. Instead, just leave things undefined, but with a possibility for reunion. |
| 01:51.54 | resiak | caphuso: A derivative, via Modula2. My tutor was nice enough to call Niklaus Wirth a "fuckwit" the other day. |
| 01:52.07 | resiak | caphuso: (In response to "why did he make Pascal not have a short-circuit and?") |
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| 01:52.18 | caphuso | resiak: hehehe |
| 01:52.23 | kanati | karsten: thanks. I think backports.org had a package I could use.. |
| 01:52.29 | karsten | kanati: Cool. |
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| 01:53.13 | jasz | hello.. i wanted DMA support on my kernel, so i recompiled the kernel (and added the VIA chipset support)... then used hdparm -d1 /dev/hda1 and it worked fine... now i rebooted and a) it didnt start with DMA enabled from the beginning and b) I cannot do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda1 ... what could be wrong? why did it work that one time and after rebooting it is not? (only "extra" thing that I did between then and now was I added journaling support |
| 01:53.13 | jasz | =ext3) .. |
| 01:53.32 | karsten | jasz: You don't set hdparm on a partition. |
| 01:53.39 | karsten | jasz: /dev/hda. *NOT* /dev/hda1 |
| 01:53.50 | jasz | oh shit |
| 01:54.02 | jethro | jasz: hdparm -k |
| 01:54.11 | jasz | karsten, hahaha... that was so dumb :$ .. |
| 01:54.22 | karsten | jasz: I've done worse. |
| 01:54.37 | jasz | now.. how do i make it be enabled at boot time? |
| 01:54.58 | karsten | jasz: /etc/init.d/hdparm |
| 01:55.03 | karsten | jasz: ...edit that. |
| 01:55.04 | jethro | jasz: if your dd can keep settings, try hdparm -k , if not, then write some init.d script |
| 01:55.16 | jasz | alright :) |
| 01:55.25 | asuffield | modern kernels should be enabling dma mode by default anyway |
| 01:55.45 | Borgon | linux is slow |
| 01:55.47 | karsten | asuffield: How about postmodern kernels? |
| 01:55.55 | Borgon | everyone rush to windows |
| 01:56.05 | karsten | Borgon: The *correct* term is "learning challenged" |
| 01:56.30 | Glitters | karsten: ok after mv, now what? |
| 01:56.42 | karsten | Glitters: dpkg-reconfiger xserver-xfree86 |
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| 01:56.55 | karsten | Glitters: You're starting from scratch. Skip the memory and PCI bus identifier stuff. |
| 01:56.57 | Borgon | resiak, am enjoying my high, sorry =) |
| 01:57.25 | travisat | well I got one computer that runs debian with x and fvwm and dual boots win98...it crases after about 5 minutes in windows |
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| 01:57.30 | amyb | Is it OK to upgrade to sarge from woody by using aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade , without the --with-suggests option like it says in the release notes? aptitude does support that option. |
| 01:57.38 | karsten | Glitters: Get your driver, resolution, depth, and montior settings right. I'd suggest starting with 800x600 @ 60 Hz to make sure everything works, then re-run to crank it up to where you want it. |
| 01:57.39 | Glitters | karsten: by pressing on esc ? |
| 01:57.42 | Borgon | This is like a 24/7 help chat line for the college guys that dont know what their doing for their cs project hehe.. i might advertise for ap rice. |
| 01:57.42 | travisat | its a pII 450 |
| 01:57.52 | karsten | Glitters: Pardon? |
| 01:57.57 | amyb | er, doesn't I mean. |
| 01:58.01 | karsten | Glitters: In the config menues, <return> should accept defaults. |
| 01:58.13 | jasz | nice |
| 01:58.14 | jasz | that should work |
| 01:58.19 | jasz | i'll reboot later |
| 01:58.40 | Glitters | karsten: <return> ? :\ |
| 01:58.50 | resiak | Glitters: The enter key. |
| 01:59.01 | karsten | Glitters: How old are you? |
| 01:59.05 | karsten | Jesus. |
| 01:59.25 | Borgon | lol |
| 01:59.25 | Borgon | patience everyone |
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| 01:59.29 | Glitters | oh ok |
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| 01:59.44 | jasz | what other idea do you recommend to make the performance better on a linux system? (for desktop use, i.e: write php/java/ObjC code, run apache & postgresql, openoffice, firefox, mail.. etc) |
| 02:00.00 | jasz | (besides buying more memory :P ) |
| 02:00.02 | resiak | jasz: Ram. Lots of ram. |
| 02:00.04 | resiak | Aww. |
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| 02:00.20 | jasz | resiak, beat you to it |
| 02:00.21 | travisat | jasz: recompile the kernel specifically for your computer |
| 02:00.26 | resiak | jasz: Don't use OOo? Use a lighter-weight WM? |
| 02:00.27 | Borgon | how much ram now? |
| 02:00.32 | karsten | jasz: More memory, hdparm tuning, reduce running apps. If you want better response, shorter kernel timeslice. If you want better throughput, longer timeslice. |
| 02:00.57 | karsten | jasz: ...multiple disk spindles, RAID. Can make 10x or more improvements. |
| 02:00.58 | travisat | jasz: use fvwm, its the best wm |
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| 02:01.06 | jasz | mwahaha... i just downloaded 26 anime movies :) (Trigun) it's gonna be a long Anime night ;) |
| 02:01.27 | resiak | !tell travisat about best |
| 02:01.33 | dan2 | how often does internic update its whois from its registrars? |
| 02:01.36 | jasz | i use wmaker :) it's not that heavy and better looking than fvwm .. :P |
| 02:01.57 | travisat | fvwm looks better than wmaker if configured correctly |
| 02:02.02 | Borgon | i rather get a kick off watching porn than anime hehe |
| 02:02.02 | jasz | karsten, what is "kernel timeslice" ? and what is "multiple disk spindles" ? |
| 02:02.09 | karsten | jasz: GIYF |
| 02:02.18 | jasz | hm.. |
| 02:02.28 | karsten | !tell jasz about GIYF |
| 02:02.29 | jasz | GIYF? is that like a STFW ? |
| 02:02.32 | simonrvn | @giyf |
| 02:02.33 | ravenbird | giyf is, like, Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW |
| 02:02.41 | jasz | heh... |
| 02:02.42 | karsten | !give jasz a cigar |
| 02:03.09 | karsten | ...but doesn't inhale. |
| 02:03.25 | Glitters | man when i type this mv thing, it tells me No such file or directory ;( |
| 02:03.36 | karsten | Glitters: That's a Good Thing. |
| 02:03.38 | jasz | i'd rather die with a bottle of scotch in my hand... |
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| 02:03.45 | travisat | @annoy jasz is a pothead |
| 02:03.45 | karsten | Glitters: 'mv' == move == rename old file to new file. |
| 02:03.48 | ravenbird | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
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| 02:04.02 | karsten | Glitters: The object was to get the old file out of the way. |
| 02:04.09 | jasz | i dont think ravenbird is gonna make it with debian.... |
| 02:04.11 | Borgon | wouldnt it be cool if there was like a virtual 3d iirc client with different backgrounds and themes and displayed everyone video face when talking? |
| 02:04.12 | travisat | hmmm maybe my botwork needs work |
| 02:04.22 | Glitters | but it still remembers my old conf :S wierd ha |
| 02:04.29 | jasz | well |
| 02:04.31 | karsten | Glitters: No. |
| 02:04.31 | jasz | so i leave |
| 02:04.34 | resiak | jasz: I wonder if you realise that ravenbird is a bot... |
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| 02:04.50 | jasz | resiak, .. i didnt know that.. but thanks... |
| 02:04.57 | karsten | Glitters: Um. Take ten, find a shell primer. Learn how to find a file, make sure it's out of the way, and come back here. |
| 02:05.12 | jasz | anyway.. i'm outta here... |
| 02:05.20 | Tweak`TG-Owner | Hi all. I was wondering why someome is telling me to recompile my kernel with a HT=1000, and they think it will make the game server use less cpu. |
| 02:05.28 | Tweak`TG-Owner | How could I find my current HT=rate? |
| 02:05.40 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: that sounds like bullshit to me. |
| 02:05.48 | karsten | caphuso: Does dpkg's conf system remember settings to xserver if user nukes /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.bak? |
| 02:05.54 | karsten | caphuso: s/\.bak// |
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| 02:06.04 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: why would it use less cpu just because things get scheduled more or less often? |
| 02:06.07 | karsten | Glitters: There may be another config file somewhere. Sec. |
| 02:06.20 | caphuso | karsten: no idea |
| 02:06.45 | caphuso | karsten: debconf will refuse to edit the file in that case, requiring you to do what "/dpkg x md5sum" says |
| 02:06.46 | resiak | !x md5t |
| 02:06.48 | resiak | Bah. |
| 02:07.10 | caphuso | err, /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 02:07.12 | Tweak`TG-Owner | weasel I dont know, this is why im asking you guys. Would you like to see a link to a forum that says it will? |
| 02:07.14 | karsten | caphuso: /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum ? |
| 02:07.24 | Glitters | karstem: maybe Xwrapper.config ? |
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| 02:07.33 | karsten | Glitters: What caphuso said. |
| 02:07.37 | karsten | Glitters: Um. Not likely. |
| 02:07.39 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: does the guy back it up with anything, os is it proof by assertion? |
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| 02:08.44 | Tweak`TG-Owner | weasel he just says it will. Currently the problem is windows servers seem to be kicking the linux game servers butt. So they are trying to find ways to lesson CPU on linux. |
| 02:08.46 | Tweak`TG-Owner | http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=238870 |
| 02:09.00 | nabziF | is a "post-install" rule in /etc/modules.conf supposed to be run modern modprobe? |
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| 02:09.24 | Kerr | using ares lite in wine, how can i make the text in the chat window show up? All i get at the moment are a bunch of question marks. |
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| 02:10.04 | Glitters | but i've removed the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.bak file :S is it allright? |
| 02:10.06 | DocWatson | I am trying to re-install apache2 after removing the /etc/apache2 dir. The package appears to re-install but I get no /etc/apache2 dir back |
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| 02:10.20 | Tweak`TG-Owner | opps sorry I have been saying HT I mean HZ. |
| 02:10.49 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: if changing HZ changes anything, then the design or implementation of the thing is just broken |
| 02:10.49 | DocWatson | I did an apt-get remove apache2; rm -rf /etc/apache2; dpkg --purge apache2; apt-get install apache2 |
| 02:11.03 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: you can tweak it in include/asm-$ARCH/param.h but I wouldn't bother |
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| 02:11.44 | caphuso | i've heard of people using HZ=10 to get better performance, but that was on boxes used for serious number crunching |
| 02:11.51 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: but really, you're optimizing in the wrong place |
| 02:12.06 | caphuso | Tweak`TG-Owner: yeah, that looks like nonsense |
| 02:12.07 | TCW | celsia spams |
| 02:12.22 | TCW | <celsia> You are watching some of the highest www.superporn-online.de.be quality videos available online movie show. |
| 02:12.26 | weasel | caphuso: oh, it might make sense if your #1 performance problem is actually switching the process |
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| 02:12.30 | weasel | caphuso: but this isn't it. |
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| 02:12.40 | shmike | what apps do i need to compile a program from source? please |
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| 02:13.04 | TCW | caphuso, thanks |
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| 02:13.28 | NewpZ | hi im trying to get my nvidia card working.. im running prebuild kernel 2.6.9-2-686.. when i install using their install script it complains about "rivafb" module and wants me to remove it |
| 02:13.36 | Glitters | DAMN :((( |
| 02:13.37 | caphuso | weasel: wouldn't a HZ value of 1000 make the thing slower because of more kernel overhead? |
| 02:13.45 | NewpZ | how should i go about doing that? do i need to recompile the kernel? :( |
| 02:13.51 | weasel | caphuso: yes, but it would also make it more responsive |
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| 02:14.06 | weasel | caphuso: smaller throughput, shorter response times |
| 02:14.12 | maurizio | soundjuicer complains it Couldn't read /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info. I see no such file. Bug #214080 suggests to modprobe the module sg to solve this, but I still see no /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info... can anyone help? |
| 02:14.16 | DocWatson | I am trying to re-install apache2 after removing the /etc/apache2 dir. The package appears to re-install but I get no /etc/apache2 dir back |
| 02:14.17 | DocWatson | I did an apt-get remove apache2; rm -rf /etc/apache2; dpkg --purge apache2; apt-get install apache2 |
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| 02:15.11 | weasel | caphuso: anyway, I think we agree that changing the kernel in this context probably wouldn't help at all |
| 02:15.14 | visomo | hi, i'm trying to add an parameter to the module sbp2, as stated in the FAQ i added 'sbp2 serialize_io=1' to a new file /etc/modutils/storage and started `update-modules`. No I wonder whether the parameter has been loaded. |
| 02:15.18 | weasel | instead the application is just broken |
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| 02:15.26 | saerdna | wich pci wlan nic should i buy if i want to setup a AP with linux? |
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| 02:15.51 | weasel | buy a real access point. I recommend the wrt54gs. |
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| 02:15.58 | Tweak`TG-Owner | weasel if there is a # in front of the line that means its ignoring it right? |
| 02:16.08 | S2K_ | yes |
| 02:16.11 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: no, this is C, not perl or bash. |
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| 02:16.14 | Cisyouc | Hi guys-- im trying to compile my own kernel here and I was reading up on the pcmcia module and I realized that its a seperate package from the kernel. So I downloaded the pcmcia-source package but when i do make config i get this message: http://channels.debian.net/paste/238 ... Any ideas? |
| 02:16.19 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: in this case it's a preprocessor command |
| 02:16.28 | karsten | Tweak`TG-Owner: '#' |
| 02:16.39 | karsten | Tweak`TG-Owner: '#' == comment in bash scripts. |
| 02:16.49 | karsten | Tweak`TG-Owner: ...it's also the root prompt in shell commands. |
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| 02:17.22 | Tweak`TG-Owner | weasel ok thanks. hmmm it says in there that my define HZ 100 and also define HZ 1000 hehe ... |
| 02:17.36 | Tweak`TG-Owner | weasel I posted in #flood did you see it? |
| 02:17.39 | Glitters | karsten: is it allright to remove the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.bak file!?? :S |
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| 02:17.54 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: 2.6 defaults to 1000 for HZ iirc. |
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| 02:18.16 | karsten | Glitters: If it doesn't work, sure. If there's anything you might want in there, it's not affecting your current config. |
| 02:18.22 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: but really, just drop the issue. :) |
| 02:18.25 | Tweak`TG-Owner | weasel oh ok.... hmm weird thanks. I guess windows is just better then linux for game server. |
| 02:18.25 | Twiggy | How can I turn dma on on my cdrom drive? My dvd playback is 00ber choppy |
| 02:18.40 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: I wouldn't put it that way |
| 02:18.45 | Tweak`TG-Owner | ok thanks for the help weasel I was just trying to figure it out. I never really want windows to win. |
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| 02:18.49 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: I'ld say that the linux version of the software just sucsk |
| 02:18.56 | SexyKen | Is there anyway to tell what motherboard my linux system has? |
| 02:19.03 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: and according to that forum it was better some time ago |
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| 02:19.09 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: so maybe just prod those developers |
| 02:19.39 | Tweak`TG-Owner | weasel ok that could be true. I will just run a virtual server with linux and a virtual server with windows and see how they match up. Again thanks for your time. |
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| 02:20.10 | SexyKen | Will any motherboard support a gigabit ethernet card? |
| 02:20.22 | aurax | yes |
| 02:20.27 | karsten | SexyKen: Open your case. Might also try: lshw, hwinfo, hardinfo, si. |
| 02:20.30 | resiak | Twiggy: Are you really using Debian and just cross-posting to #ubuntu for fun? |
| 02:20.41 | kirk-code | hey i just added fonts with the mkfontscale and mkfontdir, xset +fp methods, but how can i make gnome-font-properties display the newly added fonts ?! |
| 02:20.48 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: um. benchmarking in virtual servers no good :) |
| 02:20.54 | resiak | kirk-code: The same to you. |
| 02:21.13 | SexyKen | My ISP told me that the server I have wont work with a gigabit nic |
| 02:21.17 | Twiggy | resiak: Using both |
| 02:21.24 | kirk-code | resiak, i'm looking for gnome help |
| 02:21.34 | resiak | kirk-code: #gnome then. |
| 02:21.51 | kirk-code | didnt know it even existed |
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| 02:21.53 | kirk-code | thanks |
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| 02:22.04 | resiak | Sorry, I'm being an arse. |
| 02:22.18 | Tweak`TG-Owner | weasel why not? |
| 02:22.26 | caphuso | 2.6.10: asm-i386/param.h:#define HZ 100 |
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| 02:22.36 | Patrick_ | im getting an error saying /tm/.X11-unix has suspicious ownership (not root:root), aborting |
| 02:22.44 | Patrick_ | when i startx |
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| 02:22.51 | Berlin | Hello I got the errormessage Fatal: Cannot open /boot/mbr.b: No such file or directory by a lilo -A /dev/hda |
| 02:22.59 | Tweak`TG-Owner | caphuso so its not 1000? |
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| 02:23.17 | bowman | hi all... I've just installed a fresh Deb. Testing on a laptop, and I have unbelievably ugly fonts in the menus of mozilla. I don't remember how to change that. anyone able to help me out? |
| 02:23.18 | Berlin | how could I setup an /boot/mbr.b. I think with mbr but how is this to use ? |
| 02:23.29 | caphuso | Tweak`TG-Owner: it is if you use x86_64 |
| 02:23.41 | aurax | can someone describe me what are the major differences between fedoracore3 to debian? |
| 02:24.14 | Patrick_ | caphuso, is that statement for me? |
| 02:24.23 | caphuso | Patrick_: no |
| 02:24.25 | dondelelcaro | aurax: there are so many that it's not really worth our time to explain it |
| 02:24.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell aurax about why debian |
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| 02:24.46 | dondelelcaro | aurax: what dpkg just told you should help you understand why you should consider Debian instead of fc3 |
| 02:24.48 | caphuso | that's a nice one: asm-mips/mach-dec/param.h:#define HZ (1 << LOG_2_HZ) |
| 02:25.10 | Glitters | i give up |
| 02:25.12 | aurax | ehe, okay. |
| 02:25.16 | Glitters | whats the command to shutdown? |
| 02:25.20 | Glitters | shutdown? |
| 02:25.24 | resiak | Glitters: shutdown -h now |
| 02:25.25 | Patrick_ | does anyone know the answer why i cant start x coz of ownership |
| 02:25.26 | bowman | shutdown -h |
| 02:25.26 | resiak | Glitters: man shutdown |
| 02:25.53 | Glitters | because on gentoo shutdown didnt work as well |
| 02:25.57 | weasel | caphuso: but with __KERNEL__ it's defined to 1000 |
| 02:26.04 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: because you would bench the emulator |
| 02:26.06 | Glitters | i had to remove the battary to shutdown the damn laptop |
| 02:26.08 | Glitters | hehe |
| 02:26.40 | Tweak`TG-Owner | weasel I have never seen a problem with windows's "virtual server" software. |
| 02:26.55 | Tweak`TG-Owner | Its not an emulator. You actully install windows or linux on the hard drive. |
| 02:27.04 | Berlin | Hello I got the errormessage Fatal: Cannot open /boot/mbr.b: No such file or directory by a lilo -A /dev/hda |
| 02:27.14 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: it still emulates and abstracts part of the hardware. |
| 02:27.18 | caphuso | weasel: ah, indeed. i messed up the grep |
| 02:27.24 | Gumby | quick question for someone, I have a samba share and the uid/gid of the users is different on each box. is there a way to automagically change a users gid/uid and have all there existing files permissions be changed as well? |
| 02:27.39 | phill` | hi, where can i find an example of setting /etc/network/interfaces to make eth0 use a static ip? |
| 02:27.42 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: that's why you cannot really tell from a benchmark in this emulator how the software would perform natively |
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| 02:28.25 | Tweak`TG-Owner | weasel ..... ok if you think so ... I mean it boots up and shows bios and everything. I have never seen a performance loss. |
| 02:28.31 | bbrazil | Gumby: you can have samba run as a particular uid/gid for a given share, add in an include and it should be doable |
| 02:28.31 | Silensius | is there any way to list all of packages installed |
| 02:28.38 | caphuso | Silensius: dpkg -l |
| 02:28.42 | Silensius | thanks |
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| 02:29.09 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: it doesn't show your bios however, it shows an emulated one. and there of course is a performance loss. and it may be different based on which system you run it |
| 02:29.45 | Tweak`TG-Owner | hmm .. ok .. so how would I test this? |
| 02:29.57 | weasel | you can run the things natively |
| 02:30.09 | Tweak`TG-Owner | run a syssoftware benchmark on the original system and then install a windows xp virtual server and run it on that? |
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| 02:30.16 | Tweak`TG-Owner | not all at once. |
| 02:30.29 | weasel | one after the other obviously |
| 02:30.29 | Maxzorin123 | does this channel discuss hurd? |
| 02:30.32 | Flimzy | Tweak`TG-Owner: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:30.44 | caphuso | Maxzorin123: not really. try #hurd |
| 02:30.47 | weasel | Tweak`TG-Owner: and what would some benchmark tell you? |
| 02:31.01 | Flimzy | Maxzorin123: perhaps sometimes... but it's not supposed to |
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| 02:31.06 | Tweak`TG-Owner | weasel well your telling me that there will be a loss in the virtual server right? |
| 02:31.16 | weasel | yes? |
| 02:31.22 | Tweak`TG-Owner | it will tell me cpu speed and ram speed and everything. |
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| 02:31.40 | weasel | they have little to do with what you are interested in. |
| 02:31.44 | weasel | almost nothing. |
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| 02:31.53 | weasel | you are interested in how one particular application performs. |
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| 02:32.07 | Tweak`TG-Owner | yes steam game server.... .. |
| 02:32.10 | weasel | so you have to bench that |
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| 02:32.21 | Tweak`TG-Owner | well I could run a 32 man game server on the origional and 32 on the virtual and see if you would like. |
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| 02:32.33 | Maxzorin123 | the primary reason i am interested in Hurd, is I am a noob who just learned of the SCO lawsuite and I am concerned that Linux may be closed sourced again in my nation |
| 02:32.37 | Tweak`TG-Owner | but the #s in benchmark would show exact diferences not just I feel a difference in this server. |
| 02:32.38 | kirbymeister | i'm trying to get ste-- wait, it's a wine question |
| 02:32.46 | caphuso | Maxzorin123: muahahaha |
| 02:32.53 | kirbymeister | maxzorin123: Linux wont be closed |
| 02:32.59 | jariep1_ | to install debian stable, can I install it from the first debian CD? Do i need to download the other CDs or can I install with only one CD? |
| 02:33.00 | Flimzy | Maxzorin123: HAHA |
| 02:33.00 | Flimzy | Maxzorin123: You're kidding, right? |
| 02:33.19 | caphuso | Maxzorin123: 1) SCO will never manage to do any harm to linux and 2) the hurd is not even close to being a substitute to linux |
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| 02:33.24 | kirbymeister | maxzorin123: the SCO suits are FUD. Plus most of a Linux system is actually GNU |
| 02:33.33 | Flimzy | jariep1_: You can install with only one CD, but you can obviously only install what is on _that_ CD |
| 02:33.37 | ioxae | is it just me or do you guys despise real player .. |
| 02:33.51 | kirbymeister | it's closed source bloatware. it sucks. |
| 02:34.02 | dondelelcaro | ioxae: it's not free software, nor does it use an open protocol. Draw your own conclusions |
| 02:34.04 | jariep1_ | Flimzy, I want to do the rest of the install using apt |
| 02:34.11 | Flimzy | ioxae: who said anything about real player? |
| 02:34.14 | kirbymeister | ermm... non-free bloatware |
| 02:34.24 | ioxae | kirby: I hate it with a passion , it went from being a codec .. to a wannabe media player, burning suite .. lame++ |
| 02:34.25 | Flimzy | jariep1_: that's fine |
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| 02:34.45 | kn0t | It's something strange... from a few days ago, randomly whatever program is using "internet", keeps it, and the rest of things loose completely connection... |
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| 02:35.01 | Maxzorin123 | so worst case scenario, we would have to Mod the Kernel? |
| 02:35.10 | jariep1_ | I have been having trouble with debian testing. My machine doesn't shutdown automatically anymore. |
| 02:35.19 | kn0t | I can't ping the router (although I can ping other systems on the LAN), nor browse, apt-get... nothing. |
| 02:35.22 | ioxae | Flimzy: Is something being previously discussed a requirement for talking about it ? |
| 02:35.24 | dondelelcaro | Maxzorin123: if there actually was something actionable in the kernel, we would jettison it, clean room it, and move on |
| 02:35.35 | Flimzy | Maxzorin123: worst case scenario, SCO goes out of business and leaves the world alone for the rest of eternity |
| 02:35.42 | Maxzorin123 | :) |
| 02:35.43 | kn0t | I thought it had something to do with the router being blocked by too many UDP connections when using amule |
| 02:35.44 | Maxzorin123 | I hope so |
| 02:35.45 | Flimzy | Maxzorin123: Best case, SCO goes out of business sooner |
| 02:35.46 | jariep1_ | The trouble I have been having with debian testing makes me want to go to stable. |
| 02:35.53 | Glitters | man how can i select my desired X server driver :( |
| 02:35.56 | kn0t | but it happens with wget, and now with xchat... |
| 02:35.59 | Maxzorin123 | I am totally knew to Linux but its so far ahead of Windows that I would hate to lose it |
| 02:36.01 | kn0t | i can't ping nowhere |
| 02:36.05 | Flimzy | ioxae: The way you said it sounded like you were referring to someone's comment |
| 02:36.11 | kn0t | (but my LAN, but NOT the router itself...) |
| 02:36.12 | Atomon | Can someone help me? this is my first time with linux. i set up sarge and got everything working with the nvidia drivers. i restarted my computer a couple times and had no problems. then i restarted into windows, and after about 2 minutes i got a BSOD. i rebooted into linux and now i get kernel panic errors. Any idea what would cause this? |
| 02:36.14 | kn0t | any ideas, please? |
| 02:36.24 | ioxae | Flimzy: assumptions are usually misguided |
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| 02:36.49 | Flimzy | Atomon: hardware problems. Overheating, bad RAM, you name it |
| 02:36.58 | Maxzorin123 | dondelelcaro: by jetison are you talking about the kernel, or the actionable code? sorry for all the question, total noob |
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| 02:37.06 | Flimzy | ioxae: I wasn't assuming... you were falsely implying |
| 02:37.25 | Cat | Hey |
| 02:37.27 | Atomon | Flimzy: i don't see how this is possible as my hardware hasn't changed. i've been using this comp under windows for a long time and this problem only started with linux. |
| 02:37.38 | Flimzy | Maxzorin123: If you don't like Linux, install FreeBSD |
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| 02:37.49 | jariep1_ | Atomon, don't give up |
| 02:37.59 | Flimzy | Atomon: Hardware goes bad eventually |
| 02:38.01 | anti-windows | hmm...the hpijs package for cups seemed to fix the printing issues i was having previously but only black/white printing...is this to be expected? |
| 02:38.02 | Maxzorin123 | 'I love Linux, |
| 02:38.10 | Maxzorin123 | I just want to make sure I will be able to keep it |
| 02:38.12 | dondelelcaro | Maxzorin123: the actionable code |
| 02:38.16 | Maxzorin123 | thanks |
| 02:38.19 | ioxae | Flimzy: You cannot comprehend simple conversation flow, how sad =\ |
| 02:38.22 | Flimzy | Maxzorin123: I thought you were the one wanting to try hurd |
| 02:38.35 | Flimzy | ioxae: you're weird |
| 02:38.36 | Maxzorin123 | I wanted to see what it was |
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| 02:38.45 | Maxzorin123 | like I said |
| 02:38.47 | kirbymeister | is there any difference between debian's version of WINE and the official WINE? |
| 02:38.51 | ioxae | Flimzy: ditto |
| 02:38.51 | dondelelcaro | Maxzorin123: linux is probably less likely to have copyright issues than most commercial software, since anyone who wants can see the code and tell people if they own parts of it. |
| 02:38.52 | Maxzorin123 | this is ALL new to me, I am just testing the waters |
| 02:38.54 | dondelelcaro | kirbymeister: yes. |
| 02:38.58 | weasel | kirbymeister: check the diff.gz |
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| 02:39.11 | Maxzorin123 | I feel beter now |
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| 02:39.23 | kirbymeister | where's the diff.gz |
| 02:39.28 | Flimzy | ioxae: "Is it just me or..." suggests that you've "picked up on something". It's not a typical way to _start_ a conversation |
| 02:39.29 | kirbymeister | and is the debian WINE better than the official? |
| 02:39.30 | weasel | on your friendly debian mirror |
| 02:39.33 | weasel | apt-get source wine |
| 02:39.43 | kirbymeister | because i'm having problems getting steam up on this |
| 02:39.53 | Flimzy | ioxae: It's typically a continuation of conversation, or mild shift of topic. |
| 02:40.09 | Flimzy | ioxae: In your case, it was the beginning of a conversation out of the blue. That's what threw me off. |
| 02:40.16 | Maxzorin123 | thanks guys, I feel better |
| 02:40.39 | ioxae | Flimzy: being mentally slow threw you off, nothing more .. |
| 02:40.44 | Flimzy | ioxae: So while it may be accurate to say that I cannot comprehend your simple conversation, it would be because your simple conversation was atypical. |
| 02:40.57 | Flimzy | ioxae: Yeah, your mental slowness did throw me off. Don't worry, tho... I've slowed down to be in pace with you now ;) |
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| 02:41.31 | ioxae | Flimzy: figured you were a troll, why do I fall for such easy bait *sighs* |
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| 02:41.54 | Flimzy | ioxae: I don't know. Perhaps you can explain it to me. |
| 02:42.11 | kn0t | Please, I need some help: Randomly (or so it seems to me) my computer looses completely connection with internet. I can ping machines on the local network, but pings to the router are lost, and anything outside is unreacheable. But sometimes (like right now), a program HAS connection (like xchat right now, since you can read me), but any other connections can't be established... |
| 02:42.31 | Flimzy | kn0t: sounds like a problem with your router |
| 02:42.36 | dvhart | I'm having trouble with pure-ftpd (sarge). It is only adding -l pam and not the puredb login style to the command line, even though /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/PureDB exists and contains the correct file |
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| 02:42.50 | dvhart | any pure-ftp users that have virtual users working? |
| 02:42.53 | Flimzy | kn0t: It's probably out of stack space for more TCP connections |
| 02:42.57 | Rick-- | hi, i am having some probs with installing proftpd. |
| 02:42.59 | kirbymeister | okay, I opened up the diff... I'm getting C++ code. I just need to know, should I uninstall debian's wine and install the official wine instead? |
| 02:43.06 | Rick-- | the error is : http://rafb.net/paste/results/u99V7635.html |
| 02:43.15 | Glitters | man why its not shutting down!!!!!!!! |
| 02:43.19 | ioxae | Flimzy: seems like you have mental problems =] sucks to be you |
| 02:43.37 | Glitters | i write shutdown and it prompt me to its Usage! :( |
| 02:43.45 | kn0t | Flimzy, but it's weird, though, since other machines on my network CAN connect... for example, I have a laptop by me now, and has no problem on browsing internet, configuring the router via web, or anything else |
| 02:43.45 | Flimzy | ioxae: Seems that way, huh? I'm sorry you have such poor perception. |
| 02:43.58 | Flimzy | ioxae: But don't worry. Your misperceptions don't bother me. |
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| 02:44.11 | Maxzorin123 | Again thanks guys, I feel much better, and will not longer have to eye every other OS out of fear of losing linux |
| 02:44.13 | Maxzorin123 | later |
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| 02:44.19 | phill` | is it possible to apt-get kernel sources so i can compile my own kernel? |
| 02:44.28 | Atomon | flimzy: i still highly doubt it's a hardware problem. it's relatively new hardware, but i've been using it for a while. it's not old enough to go bad. Plus, in my BIOS all the drives are recognized and my CPU temp is 46 degrees |
| 02:44.31 | deadcat | phill`: yes |
| 02:44.38 | Flimzy | phill`: yes. It's also possible to download from kernel.org |
| 02:44.42 | Glitters | guys how can i shutdown my pc :( |
| 02:44.48 | deadcat | Glitters: halt |
| 02:44.49 | Rick-- | could someone assist |
| 02:44.54 | Flimzy | Atomon: hardware goes bad without regard for age, in most cases. |
| 02:44.55 | deadcat | Rick--: just ask |
| 02:45.02 | anti-windows | Glitters: shutdown now -h |
| 02:45.04 | Atomon | flimzy: trust me, it's not a hardware problem |
| 02:45.07 | Rick-- | hi, i am having some probs with installing proftpd. |
| 02:45.08 | Glitters | yeah finally |
| 02:45.10 | Rick-- | the error is : http://rafb.net/paste/results/u99V7635.html |
| 02:45.11 | Atomon | flimzy: windows has no problem with my hardware |
| 02:45.15 | Flimzy | Atomon: Okay. Then I guess it's goblins. |
| 02:45.18 | Flimzy | Atomon: good luck finding them. |
| 02:45.19 | Atomon | flimzy: it all started with linux |
| 02:45.23 | kn0t | Flimzy, I thought of that first, but I checked, and when my computer is "disconnected" I can browse, download, open amule or whatever from other machines with no problems at all |
| 02:45.27 | ioxae | Flimzy: when you are a sociopathic loser and obviously have a skewed preception of reality, it's hard to not be biased.. take my word , you're crazy =] |
| 02:45.58 | Flimzy | ioxae: I guess you would know about skewed perceptions of reality. |
| 02:46.01 | Atomon | is there someone else that can help me with my kernel panic problems? |
| 02:46.07 | dondelelcaro | ioxae: lay off the personal attacks please. |
| 02:46.20 | Flimzy | Atomon: You said BSOD *and* kernel panic... so its probably not software related. |
| 02:46.23 | phill` | if i download from kernel.org, i just extract to /usr/src/ yes? |
| 02:46.32 | Flimzy | Atomon: If it was software, it would only happen in Windows or Linux (or it's two unrelated software problems) |
| 02:46.32 | dondelelcaro | phill`: usually you extract to pwd. |
| 02:46.35 | deadcat | phill`: just tar -jxf |
| 02:46.39 | phill` | ? |
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| 02:46.54 | dondelelcaro | phill`: type pwd; into a shell. That's where you extract to. |
| 02:46.58 | Flimzy | Atomon: thus I'm inclined to think it's hardware related. But you've assured me, based on your superior experience (that's why you're here answering questions instead of asking, right?) that I'm wrong |
| 02:47.07 | deadcat | phill`: cd /usr/src; wget kernel.org/link/to/the.kernel; tar -jxf kernel.bz2 |
| 02:47.07 | kn0t | Atomon have you tried to boot up with a live-cd? |
| 02:47.19 | Flimzy | kn0t: I dunno then |
| 02:47.22 | phill` | deadcat: k. and if i want to apt-get? |
| 02:47.29 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: libapache-perl fixed yet? |
| 02:47.41 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: libapache-gallery-perl? |
| 02:47.41 | deadcat | phill`: just apt-get from anywhere it will put it in /usr/src |
| 02:47.44 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya |
| 02:47.44 | Flimzy | Atomon: One thing you might try doing is looking at the error message the kernel panic gives you. They're generally designed to help in troubleshooting. |
| 02:47.49 | kn0t | Flimzy: ok... thanks anyway... I'll keep trying... |
| 02:47.53 | ioxae | dondelelcaro: you mistook me for flimzy, try 'flimzy: lay off the ad hominem" or better yet stick with personal attacks, I doubt he even knows what logical fallacies are considering his obvious lack of comprehension |
| 02:47.59 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: oh, yeah... jesus fixed that pretty closely. |
| 02:48.08 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cool (= |
| 02:48.21 | dondelelcaro | ioxae: I didn't misplace it. If you both don't lay off of the personal attacks, you will be quieted. |
| 02:48.27 | phill` | so apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.9 should put it in /usr/src/ and i can compile from there? |
| 02:48.58 | dondelelcaro | phill`: sure... but if you're going to build your own kernel, you probably want 2.6.10 |
| 02:49.03 | deadcat | phill`: why do youi want to compile your own kernel if you dont know where the hell the source is located? |
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| 02:49.11 | phill` | ;) |
| 02:49.14 | uGexe | phill': search google for 'very verbose debian kernal upgrade' for a really good guide on upgrading the kernel |
| 02:49.25 | phill` | i'm just newish to debian. |
| 02:49.28 | deadcat | phill`: 100% you gonna fuck it up. |
| 02:49.36 | phill` | ahuh |
| 02:49.46 | deadcat | phill`: then learn debian before the damn kernel. you dont have to build your own kernel to be 1337 |
| 02:50.00 | phill` | ahuh |
| 02:50.08 | secher | deadcat: How else is he supposed to learn? |
| 02:50.17 | deadcat | !bitch slap phill` like hes my ho |
| 02:50.32 | phill` | lol geekpowertrip. |
| 02:50.38 | shmike | i have gcc installed but i can't compile anything ? |
| 02:50.40 | deadcat | secher: learn some fucking commands first maybe? |
| 02:50.48 | dondelelcaro | shmike: install build-essential |
| 02:50.54 | shmike | ty |
| 02:51.20 | deadcat | is bitch slap 1 word? |
| 02:51.25 | heviarti | has anyone here used digital photographs in court ? |
| 02:51.27 | secher | Jump in headfirst with both feet.. moderation is for monks.. /me mixing metaphors. ;) |
| 02:51.36 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: my father has... |
| 02:51.47 | Flimzy | heviarti: Do they allow porn in court rooms? |
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| 02:51.51 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: it's not like they're all that different from non-digital photographs |
| 02:51.51 | sussudio | heviarti: you're guilty. |
| 02:51.55 | kirbymeister | what's better, official WINE or debian's custom version? |
| 02:51.55 | deadcat | Flimzy: HAHAHAH |
| 02:52.10 | dondelelcaro | kirbymeister: use Debian's version unless you have a specific reason not to |
| 02:52.12 | secher | 3..2..1.. |
| 02:52.17 | deadcat | kirbymeister: official is newer i think but both sucks |
| 02:52.18 | ioxae | dondelelcaro: are you into bioinformatics ? |
| 02:52.22 | dondelelcaro | ioxae: yes. |
| 02:52.23 | Flimzy | kirbymeister: What's better, blue or green? |
| 02:52.28 | kirbymeister | oh |
| 02:52.30 | kirbymeister | I get it |
| 02:52.37 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: so other than signing them with gpg, and supplying them on a CD in the form they came out of the camera... do I need to do anything else? |
| 02:52.38 | secher | !better |
| 02:52.38 | dpkg | well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 02:52.45 | ioxae | dondelelcaro: have you been published ? |
| 02:52.51 | dondelelcaro | ioxae: yes. |
| 02:52.58 | heviarti | i'm going to court against my landlord |
| 02:53.03 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: oh... that totally depends on the court and what format they prefer them in |
| 02:53.16 | kirbymeister | I mean; which one's better for games |
| 02:53.24 | Flimzy | heviarti: If you're concerned, you could always *print* the digital photos |
| 02:53.26 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: they probably want them printed out so they don't have to deal with them, and possibly will want multiple coppies. |
| 02:53.39 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: well, seeing as i have no money to print them, a cd is the only media i can really supply |
| 02:53.43 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: almost every court has local rules to cover this sort of thing |
| 02:53.50 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: do you have $2-3? |
| 02:53.57 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: if so, you can go to kinkos and print the things |
| 02:54.06 | heviarti | no, i don't. and someone stole my bread. |
| 02:54.17 | heviarti | and neither do we have a kinkos. |
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| 02:54.28 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: you're going to court without $2-3? You won't be able to file anything anyway. |
| 02:54.39 | Flimzy | heviarti: do you have a printer? |
| 02:54.50 | heviarti | Flimzy: you mean one that works? |
| 02:55.04 | dondelelcaro | I mean, even filing to start an action requires money |
| 02:55.14 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: no, dude is taking me to court. he's doing something illegal, and i have the photos to prove it |
| 02:55.22 | Flimzy | heviarti: I dunno what you're suing for... but if i was your landlord, it sounds like I could make a strong case that you never pay your rent :P |
| 02:55.24 | kn0t | kirbymeister, for games, the best would be WineX, but you have to compile it from CVS... install "cedega" |
| 02:55.24 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: oh... you're the defendant |
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| 02:55.42 | heviarti | Flimzy: i manage to pay my rent and starve. |
| 02:55.44 | kn0t | kirbymeister, it runs nicely most games (for example, Call of Duty) |
| 02:55.56 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: well, you should still scrounge up the cash, or find someone to loan you some... because otherwise you'll likely be in trouble |
| 02:55.58 | Flimzy | heviarti: He's taking you to court so you can prove he's guilty? |
| 02:56.18 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: yeah. dude filed an eviction notice because I asked him to fix the problems with the house |
| 02:56.25 | heviarti | Flimzy: basically. |
| 02:56.28 | ioxae | dondelelcaro: do you live with your brother ? |
| 02:56.34 | ireverentReveren | what is the easiest way to find out what module i need for my onboard nic? i did a brief google of the chipset and no luck. I did a lspci and most devices are "unknown" |
| 02:56.41 | Flimzy | "Your honor, I have filed suit today so that my tenant can prove that I am breaking the law." |
| 02:56.42 | dondelelcaro | ioxae: is this 20 questions? |
| 02:56.54 | Flimzy | heviarti: Sounds like your landlord doesn't need to go to jail... but to an institution. |
| 02:56.58 | ioxae | dondelelcaro: humor me will you |
| 02:57.00 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: oh, and so he's probably going after you for unlawful retainer |
| 02:57.16 | heviarti | Flimzy: well, would y'all like to see some of the pics i took of the house? |
| 02:57.26 | heviarti | it's pretty f$cked |
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| 02:58.02 | shmike | dondelelcaro:apt-get couldn't find build-essentials |
| 02:58.04 | Flimzy | heviarti: I dunno... who was in the house at the time, and what were they wearing? :P |
| 02:58.05 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: well, i asked him to fix the roof where it leaks on live wires, and the laundry room so it actually has a working washer box, and the bastard filed an eviction notice |
| 02:58.15 | heviarti | Flimzy: me, in a blue suit |
| 02:58.19 | caphuso | shmike: build-essential |
| 02:58.22 | lunaphyte | hi |
| 02:58.22 | dondelelcaro | shmike: it's build-essential |
| 02:58.27 | Flimzy | heviarti: then no, I don't care to see :P |
| 02:58.28 | dondelelcaro | shmike: /msg dpkg search; |
| 02:58.35 | shmike | ok i will try again |
| 02:58.54 | shmike | great thanks dandelelcaro |
| 02:59.33 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: i do have a laptop i can take to display the pics. |
| 03:00.00 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: i would have just left them on the camera if i had better than a 2 meg cf card. |
| 03:00.29 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: libapache-gallery-perl still broken. and somehow i dont have the "original" link like http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/tree_silouettes_of_snow_03XX2003.jpg?orig |
| 03:00.39 | Flimzy | I think if dondelelcaro is confused, the judge will be totally lost |
| 03:00.42 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: yeah. the lappy i traded for, the camera was $8 a year ago, and the CF card for it was dumpster dived |
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| 03:01.19 | Flimzy | I hope you're going to the people's court.... b/c I'd lke to see how this whole thing turns out :P |
| 03:01.25 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: to get the orig link, you need: PerlSetVar GalleryAllowOriginal '1'; |
| 03:01.32 | deadcat | thanks |
| 03:01.44 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: and what part of it is broken now? |
| 03:01.49 | lunaphyte | i have a simple /etc/hosts file (localhost only) - why night 'host localhost' fails unless bind is running? |
| 03:01.56 | heviarti | i actually have three laptops. one i got from my work (they gave it to me) the other i built from junk, and there's the one i traded for |
| 03:02.02 | ireverentReveren | any ideas how to find out what module i need to use on this onboard nic? |
| 03:02.11 | Flimzy | lunaphyte: because 'host' does a DNS lookup |
| 03:02.17 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: rrr... my bad... it's just pending |
| 03:02.29 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 292604 |
| 03:02.31 | heviarti | the one i built from junk is a sparcbook I use as my remote site server. |
| 03:02.34 | dpkg | #292604:S[libapache-gallery-perl] icons should not have suddenly changed from icons to gallery-icons (pending) |
| 03:02.34 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 03:02.58 | Flimzy | heviarti: Go pawn your laptop for $20, print the photos, then repay the pawn with your court winnings |
| 03:03.25 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: well, it's your deal... but I'd invest a couple bucks, keep the receipts, and print out the photos. Otherwise, you're just gambling |
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| 03:03.56 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: you probably also want to talk to pro-bono council or whoever deals with slum lords in your area |
| 03:04.02 | dondelelcaro | /cil/sel/ |
| 03:04.06 | heviarti | Flimzy: i know the pawnbroker too well. I am his navigator. |
| 03:04.08 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thanks. showing original (= |
| 03:04.13 | lunaphyte | flimzy: argh :) ok - is there a tool similar to host that doesn't? |
| 03:04.17 | Flimzy | heviarti: I would personally be embarassed to show up at court with digital photos, and expect the court to wait while I set up my laptop, and wag it around the courtroom for everyone to see. |
| 03:04.30 | Flimzy | lunaphyte: localhost is always 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:04.32 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: yeah, they only talk by phone. i don't have one of those. |
| 03:04.35 | Flimzy | lunaphyte: the tool is called 'memory' |
| 03:04.40 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: call them collect from a pay phone |
| 03:04.51 | heviarti | Flimzy: especially seeing as the only one with a CD is the 200mmx |
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| 03:04.53 | usr010 | yeah |
| 03:04.54 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you gonna be at the linux world expo conference this summer? |
| 03:04.59 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: most likely, yeah. |
| 03:05.12 | dondelelcaro | or drop a dime on them |
| 03:05.29 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: it's a recording. i sorta beiged the neighbor one day to see if i could get some help |
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| 03:05.56 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: how you get to be a helper? and you guys makeing new tshirts or same one? |
| 03:06.00 | CoolPops | How does xemacs packages located in ~/.xemacs/xemacs-packages get loaded by debian site start? |
| 03:06.09 | CoolPops | It seems they are being loaded twice. |
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| 03:06.13 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: not to mention i think the lawyer would probably side with the landlord, because they are from the same country. |
| 03:06.15 | Flimzy | heviarti: so call from work, a friend's house, the police station.... |
| 03:06.15 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: taggart is making new shirts for LWCE boston, so we'll probably have the remainders of those |
| 03:06.23 | dark_light | how can i generate a corefile? |
| 03:06.26 | lunaphyte | flimzy: i know. i'm just being curious. |
| 03:06.38 | heviarti | so far that's been the trend |
| 03:06.38 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: eh? a real lawyer doesn't care... |
| 03:06.40 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: got some pic of the designs? |
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| 03:06.48 | Flimzy | dark_light: right a buggy program |
| 03:06.49 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no... I haven't seen them at al |
| 03:06.51 | dondelelcaro | s/al/all/ |
| 03:06.56 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: yeah, except this is idaho legal aid |
| 03:07.04 | Flimzy | dark_light: yank a S/DIMM out of the socket while compiling a kernel |
| 03:07.05 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: doh. |
| 03:07.14 | heviarti | i can't believe they don't have an email |
| 03:07.15 | AngelGabriel | How do I mount a windows share on a mount point on my system? |
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| 03:07.25 | dark_light | Flimzy (i don't get it) |
| 03:07.28 | Flimzy | dark_light: why do you want a core file? |
| 03:07.29 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: so figure out where legal aid is, and go talk to them directly |
| 03:07.35 | Flimzy | AngelGabriel: man mount |
| 03:08.06 | deadcat | AngelGabriel: mkdir /mnt/windows && mount -t vfat /dev/hdXY /mnt/windows (assuming you using vfat) |
| 03:08.22 | dark_light | Flimzy i am curious about how big a corefile can be |
| 03:08.27 | Flimzy | deadcat: that's not a windows share |
| 03:08.34 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: anyway, there's really not much we can do for you, since none of us are lawyers, and definetly none of us are licensed to practice in Idaho. |
| 03:08.35 | Flimzy | deadcat: he'll need smbfs |
| 03:08.36 | dark_light | Flimzy and i heard that corefiles are good manners to report bugs |
| 03:08.38 | deadcat | Flimzy: doh. miss-read the q AGAIN (= |
| 03:08.43 | AngelGabriel | deadcat, that's for a diskdrive - i want to mount a remote share |
| 03:08.47 | Flimzy | dark_light: as big as the program that created it was in memory |
| 03:09.02 | dondelelcaro | dark_light: corefiles from binaries that haven't been stripped are. |
| 03:09.10 | dondelelcaro | (best if they've been compiled with -O0 |
| 03:09.16 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: i haven't been able to drive since 2001. another joyous miscarriage of justice by gem county. |
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| 03:09.27 | dark_light | there is a command that runs a program generating corefiles? |
| 03:09.33 | Flimzy | dark_light: Well you don't just "create a core file". It is created automatically when the program gets a SIG 11 |
| 03:09.44 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: well, either way, digital photos have been used successfuly, so there is a precedent. |
| 03:09.45 | dark_light | hum |
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| 03:09.51 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: then ride a bike, walk, or take public transportation... but again, there's not much that we can do. |
| 03:10.00 | dark_light | Flimzy so i can start the corefile with the kill comand? |
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| 03:10.04 | dondelelcaro | heviarti: and those times that they have been used, they've been printed. |
| 03:10.23 | Flimzy | dark_light: start a corefile? what are you talking about? |
| 03:10.30 | Me | problem VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) |
| 03:10.40 | Me | driver???? |
| 03:10.41 | heviarti | caldwell is many miles away. i'd run out of water before i got there. we have no public transportation. |
| 03:10.45 | Flimzy | heviarti: Forget it. You're going to lose the case and spend your life behind bars. Next topic please? |
| 03:10.48 | ioxae | dondelelcaro: is there an open source collaboration/bioinformatics framework that is well documented ? |
| 03:10.56 | dark_light | Flimzy well. when i do something like kill -s 11 pid, the program will start writing the corefile, right? |
| 03:11.08 | dondelelcaro | ioxae: bioinformatics is a nebulous concept. You'll have to tell me exactly what you're doing |
| 03:11.18 | Flimzy | dark_light: uhm... it might dump core. |
| 03:11.27 | Flimzy | dark_light: I've never tried to sig 11 something. |
| 03:11.41 | Flimzy | dark_light: But rest assured that a core file you create like that will be of absolutely no use to a debugger |
| 03:11.43 | heviarti | Flimzy: no, i'll call ins and get the landlord sent back to mexico before that happens |
| 03:11.52 | dark_light | Flimzy (i am a bit confused with that. where the curefile will be stored/outputed? in stdout?) |
| 03:12.03 | Flimzy | dark_light: that'd be like driving your car into a light pole then saying to the mechanic "See, look, it's broken!" |
| 03:12.15 | Me | resolution 640*480 |
| 03:12.17 | Flimzy | dark_light: it's stored in the current dir called "core" |
| 03:12.22 | Flimzy | IIRC |
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| 03:12.26 | dark_light | hum |
| 03:12.34 | Flimzy | dark_light: What do you want a freaking core file for? |
| 03:12.37 | ioxae | dondelelcaro: analysis of sequence information |
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| 03:12.46 | dondelelcaro | ioxae: what type of sequence analysis? |
| 03:12.58 | dark_light | ... well, the firefox seems a bit weird |
| 03:13.15 | Flimzy | dark_light: is firefox dumping core? |
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| 03:13.43 | Me | alguien que sepa un poco español???? |
| 03:13.46 | dark_light | no, it's freezing and/or closing automagically |
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| 03:14.01 | ioxae | dondelelcaro: well what do you keep in your toolbox, what tools do you use the most |
| 03:14.02 | dark_light | !spanish |
| 03:14.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:14.11 | Flimzy | dark_light: well if it's not dumping core then a core file is useless to you in that situation. |
| 03:14.51 | dark_light | Flimzy hum. how can i see if it's dumping core? |
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| 03:15.18 | Flimzy | dark_light: run it from an xterm |
| 03:15.25 | Flimzy | dark_light: when it crashes, if it dumps core it will say so. |
| 03:15.31 | Flimzy | dark_light: and a 'core' file will be left |
| 03:15.37 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: seems like imlib has some problems too: Unable to open file /home/www-data/gallery/linux/screenshots/xwd_20040721_15456.jpg, at /usr/share/perl5/Apache/Gallery.pm line 1362 |
| 03:16.02 | ioxae | Dondelelcaro: you pretty much answered me already =] there is no unified/singular research tool for bioinformatics/etc type research , its distributed/fragmented/etc at the moment |
| 03:16.11 | dark_light | Flimzy ok, it's not generating core |
| 03:17.16 | ireverentReveren | what is the command to re-run the script that runs at startup? |
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| 03:17.33 | Flimzy | ireverentReveren: which one? |
| 03:17.52 | Flimzy | ireverentReveren: there are dozens, perhaps as many as hundreds, of scripts that run on startup |
| 03:17.53 | ireverentReveren | configures nic |
| 03:17.59 | Flimzy | ireverentReveren: depending on what you have installed |
| 03:18.00 | ireverentReveren | er |
| 03:18.02 | ireverentReveren | sorry |
| 03:18.06 | ireverentReveren | i meant the first startup |
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| 03:18.13 | ireverentReveren | typed faster than i thought |
| 03:18.19 | Flimzy | you mean during the installation? |
| 03:18.21 | ireverentReveren | the configuration one |
| 03:18.22 | ireverentReveren | Yeah |
| 03:18.27 | Flimzy | You can't run the original installation script again |
| 03:18.33 | Flimzy | b/c it would fubar things |
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| 03:18.39 | Flimzy | What specifically are you trying to reconfigure? |
| 03:18.41 | dvhart | can pureftp use more than one authentication method? |
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| 03:18.54 | dondelelcaro | ioxae: R, perl... the list goes on |
| 03:19.07 | ireverentReveren | Flimzy the NIC, now that i know what driver it takes, and so i run through correctly |
| 03:19.38 | dondelelcaro | ioxae: it's not that bioinformatics is just fragmented at the moment, it's that it's a gigantic field, with applications that have no real relationship to eachother |
| 03:19.49 | Flimzy | ireverentReveren: insert the appropriate module in /etc/modules, then edit /etc/interfaces to configure the NIC |
| 03:20.00 | jetscreamer | why do 2 out of 3 of my boxes not need to download any updates when i do apt-get upgrade? but the 3rd box always needs to d/l everything. |
| 03:20.07 | theJackal | any body know the name of the debian package for "paraniod" disk erasure?IE: erase every block 30 times. ? |
| 03:20.16 | ireverentReveren | i found the module i needed, and "modprobe"d it and dont know how to edit /ect/interfaces |
| 03:20.19 | ireverentReveren | Laughs Out Loud |
| 03:20.23 | oobe | dpkg, fuck |
| 03:20.24 | dpkg | from memory, fuck is a wonderful, versitile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 03:20.24 | Mik0 | You guys know what can cause a printer not to print .html/.htm stuff? (It can print all other stuff fine..) |
| 03:20.24 | ioxae | dondelelcaro: yeah but It'd be cool if there was ONE main application and everything else was just modules =] I like encapsulation and simplifying my workspace |
| 03:20.34 | Flimzy | jethro: Because the 2 boxes are running stable, and the 3rd is running testing or unstable? |
| 03:20.38 | jetscreamer | ireverentReveren, it's /etc/modules to autoload on boot |
| 03:20.48 | jetscreamer | Flimzy, all 3 are sid |
| 03:20.51 | kbrooks | http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000240027115/ |
| 03:21.09 | oobe | !amd64 |
| 03:21.09 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
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| 03:21.16 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: Are they sharing an apt cache over nfs? |
| 03:21.43 | jetscreamer | Flimzy, no.... unless me just thinking about it made it happen... (i wish) |
| 03:21.45 | Flimzy | Mik0: improperly configured filters |
| 03:21.53 | theJackal | !nfs |
| 03:21.54 | dpkg | it has been said that nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or http://www.j-mulders.demon.nl/unix/nis-rpc/doc/rpc/nfs-v2-protocol-specification.html for some gory details.. No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs' |
| 03:22.07 | asg | ireverentReveren: man 5 interfaces ; /msg dpkg faq |
| 03:22.22 | dondelelcaro | ioxae: nah... that way lies madness. Small tools that can be hooked together if necesary, but do one job, and do it well are the way to go. |
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| 03:26.00 | OpaleiroSemDesti | opa |
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| 03:26.52 | Me | pless my target is VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) my problem is the resolution what driver is???? |
| 03:27.12 | jetscreamer | ok so what is it about woody that gets it to d/l updates before you even apt-get update |
| 03:27.23 | Me | sorry I'm chileno¡¡¡ |
| 03:27.29 | jetscreamer | i810 probably, but i'm not sure |
| 03:27.35 | Me | yesd |
| 03:27.36 | Me | yes |
| 03:27.39 | Me | but |
| 03:27.44 | shmike | more help please |
| 03:27.45 | OpaleiroSemDesti | someone speak portuguese??? |
| 03:27.51 | jetscreamer | !tell Me about enter |
| 03:28.02 | jetscreamer | !enter |
| 03:28.02 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
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| 03:28.10 | shmike | i have libpng installed but configure can'tfind it ? |
| 03:28.13 | jetscreamer | !portuguese |
| 03:28.13 | dpkg | portuguese is, like, the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:28.27 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: are you asking how to make that happen, or are you asking why it is happening to you? |
| 03:28.28 | neom | Is there a package that contains all the nessesary gnome files/depensencys etc etc? |
| 03:28.34 | OpaleiroSemDesti | ok |
| 03:28.42 | dondelelcaro | neom: it's called gnome |
| 03:28.44 | asg | shmike: install the -dev package for libpng* |
| 03:28.46 | jetscreamer | Flimzy, both i guess... gett ing the third box to do that too would be cool |
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| 03:29.01 | shmike | asg:ty |
| 03:29.01 | neom | dondelelcaro apt-get install gnome will do it? |
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| 03:29.09 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: You just told me you were using sid |
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| 03:29.16 | asg | shmike: you're welcome |
| 03:29.25 | Me | pless my target is VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) my problem is the resolution??? |
| 03:29.25 | jetscreamer | Flimzy, yeah... and 2 out of 3 of the sid boxes do it |
| 03:29.27 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: make up your mind... are you running sid or woody? |
| 03:29.32 | jetscreamer | sid sid sid |
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| 03:29.39 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: So then why are you asking about woody? |
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| 03:29.59 | jetscreamer | Flimzy, i thought you said that woody did it by default, so i was just wondering how. |
| 03:30.05 | Mik0 | Flimzy: What was that again that you said was causing my printer not to print .html/htm pages? |
| 03:30.09 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: no |
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| 03:30.20 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: I said if you had woody, it wouldn't d/l updates. B/c woody never gets updates. |
| 03:30.26 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 03:30.32 | Flimzy | Mik0: improperly configured filters |
| 03:30.43 | Me | pless my target is VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated my problem is the resolution¡¡¡¡ |
| 03:30.48 | Mik0 | how would i go about configuring them correctly? |
| 03:30.48 | jetscreamer | ok so what it it that tells the box to d/l the update automatically |
| 03:30.58 | asg | Me: stop repeating, go to #debian-es |
| 03:31.00 | jetscreamer | Me, google your monitor refresh rates |
| 03:31.05 | Flimzy | Mik0: I can't tell you. There are many ways to configure printers in Linux. |
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| 03:31.45 | Me | ok |
| 03:31.50 | Me | sorry |
| 03:31.59 | tazle | hmm, I get the same connect()-problem on both 2.4.29 and 2.6.10 |
| 03:32.16 | jetscreamer | Me, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and do the advanced one.. (advanced, medium, simple) |
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| 03:34.00 | jetscreamer | yeah i810 me |
| 03:34.10 | jetscreamer | and Me no i don't wanna go priv |
| 03:34.16 | jetscreamer | [21.33.19] --- Received a DCC CHAT offer from Me |
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| 03:34.28 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 03:34.29 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 03:34.30 | Flimzy | man... I never get DCC chat offers :/ |
| 03:34.46 | jetscreamer | my wife won't let me go priv anymore |
| 03:35.00 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 03:35.21 | zu22 | jetscreamer: she monitors your IRC usage?> ;) |
| 03:35.26 | Flimzy | blah |
| 03:35.31 | Flimzy | I hate programmer's block |
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| 03:37.34 | oobe | !amd64 |
| 03:37.34 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 03:38.23 | shmike | goodnight |
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| 03:41.36 | jetscreamer | she reads over my shoulder sometimes, zu22 :) |
| 03:41.42 | jetscreamer | togetherness |
| 03:42.06 | deadcat | jetscreamer: togetherness or she just doesnt trust your ass? (= |
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| 03:42.28 | oobe | yeah my gf is a tad curious to |
| 03:42.55 | oobe | but irc is fairly straight forward it aint got many chicks there to be jealous of |
| 03:43.09 | netsurfer | spent ages getting woody dvd image with jigdo only to find the file is too big to transfer to my windows box to burn to dvd |
| 03:43.14 | deadcat | oobe: she might be afriad you go gay (= |
| 03:43.15 | netsurfer | heh |
| 03:43.28 | oobe | thx deadcat |
| 03:43.30 | adio | anyone around that can help me try and figure out what disto i wanna use |
| 03:43.32 | adio | im sick of mandrake |
| 03:43.44 | deadcat | adio: distrowatch.com |
| 03:44.00 | takatumi | or typing "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy." over and over and over again. |
| 03:44.14 | takatumi | jetscreamer: ^^ |
| 03:44.19 | asg | takatumi: redrum, redrum |
| 03:44.25 | travisat_ | All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy |
| 03:44.31 | takatumi | asg: hehe |
| 03:44.36 | travisat_ | All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy |
| 03:44.45 | jetscreamer | netsurfer, no net on the box you want to install on? and is that a server? if it's a desktop use sarge, d-i. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 03:44.47 | travisat_ | All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy |
| 03:44.51 | takatumi | initially read that as rectum, rectum. |
| 03:44.55 | jetscreamer | travisat_, are you a screensaver? |
| 03:45.03 | travisat_ | jetscreamer: maybe |
| 03:45.22 | asg | adio: Debian, obviously |
| 03:45.27 | asg | adio: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 03:45.35 | oobe | !amd64 |
| 03:45.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 03:45.37 | takatumi | adio: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 03:45.52 | asg | oobe: /msg the bot |
| 03:45.58 | takatumi | oobe: why do you keep reading that over and over again? |
| 03:46.13 | netsurfer | jetscreamer - there is, I just wanted a dvd with ALL the packages on it, to cut down on messing around when bandwidth is low |
| 03:46.14 | jetscreamer | !tell oobe about amd64 |
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| 03:46.25 | sussudio | takatumi: he's a retard troll |
| 03:46.53 | jetscreamer | well, get d-i dvd if it's a desktop netsurfer |
| 03:46.53 | takatumi | sussudio: shall we unleash the killer bunnies on him? |
| 03:47.01 | jetscreamer | imo ymmv |
| 03:47.04 | takatumi | or send him to soviet russia. |
| 03:47.05 | sussudio | takatumi: no, a ban would be justified. |
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| 03:47.58 | travisat | are you guys talking about me |
| 03:48.05 | takatumi | travisat: maybe. |
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| 03:48.37 | travisat | what did I do? |
| 03:48.57 | takatumi | travisat: trying to act like a simpleton. |
| 03:49.14 | travisat | ok I'll quit doing that |
| 03:49.36 | takatumi | travisat: heh, just kidding dude, chill :) |
| 03:49.54 | travisat | takatumi: I'm gellin like a felon |
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| 03:51.52 | inetd | anyone using cedga here/ |
| 03:51.54 | inetd | ? |
| 03:52.09 | takatumi | heard a few do. |
| 03:52.29 | inetd | is it worth my $15 ? |
| 03:52.45 | takatumi | heard for and against. |
| 03:52.46 | asg | inetd: probably not |
| 03:52.54 | travisat | inetd: I use wine, works just fine |
| 03:53.05 | takatumi | that even rhymes. |
| 03:53.08 | zu22 | jetscreamer: heh |
| 03:53.09 | asg | inetd: if you need to run windows games, just run windows. |
| 03:53.51 | mwilson | Oh, but he won't be 'leet if he runs Windows. |
| 03:53.59 | inetd | hehe |
| 03:54.06 | oobe | what if you need to run windows games inside linux should you run linux inside windows and the game inside linux |
| 03:54.13 | inetd | i just want to give it a try :) downloading it from tuxwarez :) |
| 03:54.14 | asg | mwilson: he can dual boot and be 1/2 as 'leet then |
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| 03:54.37 | jetscreamer | i prefer to dual boot rather than emulate |
| 03:54.42 | travisat | oobe: o.O |
| 03:54.52 | inetd | you know what the best method is if you can afford it? |
| 03:54.55 | inetd | KVM switch :) |
| 03:55.07 | jetscreamer | no it's called dual 4way boxes |
| 03:55.14 | inetd | hehe |
| 03:55.15 | jetscreamer | 2 boxes with 4 procs each |
| 03:55.16 | asg | inetd: no, kvm's don't have good video resolution (at least for games.) |
| 03:55.31 | travisat | inetd: buy another box for windows that isn't connected to the net |
| 03:55.31 | inetd | yer? why not? |
| 03:56.07 | inetd | ive tried doing rdesktop (but i cant map sound and also video looks laggy) |
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| 03:56.20 | jetscreamer | windows is great up until the time you plug it into the net |
| 03:56.27 | inetd | asg: : why do you think video res is crap on kvms? |
| 03:56.29 | jetscreamer | and do the updates |
| 03:56.49 | asg | inetd: the refresh isn't as good. |
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| 03:56.59 | inetd | asg: you cant get 100Hz? |
| 03:57.07 | inetd | or 80 alteast |
| 03:57.40 | asg | inetd: then use that if it is sufficient. |
| 03:58.07 | inetd | hav you tried rdesktop? |
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| 03:58.13 | inetd | rdesktop full screen :) |
| 03:58.38 | asg | inetd: I use it all the time to manage our windows boxes; I wouldn't use it for gaming besides solitare though. |
| 03:58.39 | inetd | its pretty good :) but the only problem is sound mapping and video is laggy |
| 03:58.50 | inetd | hehe yer |
| 03:58.51 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: you there? |
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| 03:59.13 | inetd | asg: anyway to tweak it to support fast video frames? |
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| 03:59.29 | heviarti | dondelelcaro: http://puresimplicity.net/~heviarti/house/ |
| 03:59.32 | asg | inetd: not that I'm aware of. |
| 04:00.03 | asg | inetd: like I said, if you want to play windows games, just build a windows box for such things. Use Unix for everything else. |
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| 04:00.31 | jetscreamer | Need to get 7859kB/26.0MB of archives <--- how do you enable/disable auto-d/l'ing of updates |
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| 04:00.32 | alejandro_ | hi, i tried to reconfigure exim4 using # dpkg-reconfigure exim4 but nothing happens |
| 04:00.40 | jetscreamer | exim4-config i think |
| 04:00.41 | asg | alejandro_: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 04:00.52 | alejandro_ | asg, there!! |
| 04:00.59 | jetscreamer | oh sure |
| 04:01.02 | SiliconViper | asg: Cedega works pretty well for most of my games, and I haven't required much tweaking to make them work. |
| 04:01.05 | alejandro_ | !tfti asg |
| 04:01.08 | dpkg | Thanks For The Info, asg! |
| 04:01.17 | jetscreamer | wtg asg |
| 04:01.18 | asg | alejandro_: you're welcome |
| 04:01.33 | asg | SiliconViper: oh, I'm sure it does. |
| 04:01.53 | jetscreamer | ~lart asg |
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| 04:02.05 | SiliconViper | asg, it has been sufficient to prevent any desire to set up a windows box, just for games. |
| 04:02.17 | SiliconViper | I'm willing to take a performance hit, for overall non-sucking. |
| 04:02.19 | SiliconViper | ^_~ |
| 04:02.31 | asg | SiliconViper: cool, whatever works for you |
| 04:02.39 | takatumi | SiliconViper: the question is, is it worth the money? |
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| 04:04.23 | SiliconViper | takatumi, for me, it is. It's cheaper than Windows, and that's enough for me. Besides, if you don't want to keep paying, you can always keep your current copy, you just can't upgrade it. |
| 04:04.35 | penta | is there any security risk to move the /var/log to /home/ partition just wondering ? |
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| 04:04.57 | mwilson | penta: Better question... is there any reason to do it? |
| 04:05.11 | inetd | SiliconViper: so what does it mean if you cant upgrade cedeger? |
| 04:05.13 | asg | penta: if a process goes awol, your users won't have any drive space |
| 04:05.21 | inetd | cedega even |
| 04:05.26 | Flimzy | penta: why would you do that? |
| 04:05.28 | inetd | no support for new games? |
| 04:05.36 | inetd | or the app going to expire? |
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| 04:05.51 | penta | mwilson, i have var in the / partition and which only 6G and my home is 130G .. |
| 04:06.09 | penta | Flimzy, i have no space on the var |
| 04:06.10 | mwilson | penta: So? |
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| 04:06.23 | adio | i am sick of mandrake and all its problems |
| 04:06.24 | pingouin | how to change the font in an lp command ? |
| 04:06.24 | Flimzy | penta: that's what they call "lack of forethought" |
| 04:06.28 | penta | mwilson, so i dont have space for logs in the /var so going to symlink it |
| 04:06.30 | adio | what linux should i be installing |
| 04:06.31 | dli | any latex2rtf users? |
| 04:06.44 | SiliconViper | inetd, you pay, get CVS access, and such. If you don't want to pay, you don't qualify for upgrades, and can continue using your existing copy. Renew your subscription when you find a game that doesn't work with your version, but does with a newer one. |
| 04:06.46 | asg | penta: is this a single user machine? |
| 04:06.56 | penta | Flimzy, i didnt partition the disk .. i am trying to solve it but just wondering if there is security issue |
| 04:06.58 | dli | adio, debian :) |
| 04:06.58 | mwilson | asg: What difference does that make? |
| 04:07.05 | penta | asg now multi user box |
| 04:07.06 | adio | yea |
| 04:07.08 | asg | mwilson: he won't need 6G of logs |
| 04:07.13 | adio | whats a good fast download mirror for debian |
| 04:07.15 | kanati | If I'm running sarge can I install a .dep made for woody? |
| 04:07.20 | asg | mwilson: he can use a more aggressive rotation policy |
| 04:07.24 | Flimzy | adio: that depends on where you live |
| 04:07.28 | kanati | Like from backports.org? |
| 04:07.35 | penta | asg, i have other stuff int he var email, mysql and some other stuff and logs takes some space too |
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| 04:07.47 | takatumi | asg: but 6G is his whole / |
| 04:07.50 | mwilson | asg: What the clueless one is no doubt forgetting to say is that /usr and everything else is in the same 6 gb, I'm sure. |
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| 04:08.46 | Flimzy | in which case /var/log should be the least of the concern |
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| 04:09.32 | Flimzy | "I have a cracked head, so I'll replace my spark plugs so I get better gas mileage" |
| 04:10.18 | mwilson | penta: Is there some reason you wouldn't want to just fix the ACTUAL problem? |
| 04:11.21 | adio | 7 cds |
| 04:11.22 | adio | ????? |
| 04:11.26 | adio | is that for real? |
| 04:11.27 | takatumi | probably everything including you /home/ will fit on the 130GB side. |
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| 04:11.53 | mwilson | adio: Oh, no, it's a lie. Five of them are filled with zeros. |
| 04:12.02 | sgeigerbot | !dri is also /join #dri |
| 04:12.03 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: okay |
| 04:12.04 | mwilson | Gods, why do people ask questions like that? |
| 04:12.14 | takatumi | adio: there is a 14 CD set and a ~38MB mini iso as well. |
| 04:12.24 | adio | hmmm |
| 04:13.22 | mwilson | Next he'll complain about how unfair it is that he has to download seven CD's |
| 04:14.28 | sgeigerbot | !+fair |
| 04:15.04 | takatumi | !fairy |
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| 04:15.24 | sgeigerbot | takatumi: fairy is See sussudio |
| 04:15.33 | mwilson | !fair |
| 04:15.33 | dpkg | it has been said that fair is what you're not entitled to. Get over it. |
| 04:16.29 | asuffield | a fair is a place where you pay to be sick |
| 04:16.44 | asg | asuffield: esp in Yorkshire |
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| 04:17.22 | mwilson | !fair |
| 04:17.22 | dpkg | Life isn't fair. Get over it. |
| 04:17.28 | mwilson | There, that's better. |
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| 04:17.42 | takatumi | s/isn't/ain't |
| 04:18.01 | asg | takatumi: there isn't a South Carolina locale |
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| 04:18.14 | AssociateX | Hello people |
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| 04:18.19 | atomon | Hello |
| 04:18.31 | Xenguy | . o O ( For the privileged, life is perfectly fair :p ) |
| 04:18.32 | AssociateX | how do I install bbconf with apt-get, I cant find it |
| 04:18.45 | adio | usr urpmi |
| 04:18.47 | asg | AssociateX: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:18.48 | adio | use |
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| 04:19.07 | asg | adio: this is #debian, not #redhat-crap |
| 04:19.09 | AssociateX | adio, what |
| 04:19.14 | mwilson | AssociateX: Meaning you haven't tried, of course. |
| 04:19.23 | Xenguy | adio: that's MDK dude |
| 04:19.24 | takatumi | urpmi sounds yucky. |
| 04:19.31 | AssociateX | mwilson, no, I dont know what it is, sorry |
| 04:19.34 | Xenguy | takatumi: it actually works not badly |
| 04:19.46 | neom | mp3 |
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| 04:19.51 | Xenguy | takatumi: but apt-get was first ;-) |
| 04:20.00 | mwilson | AssociateX: If you don't know what it is, why do you think you need to install it? |
| 04:20.02 | AssociateX | like this ---> /msg dpkg search bbconf |
| 04:20.18 | AssociateX | mwilson, no, I know what bbconf is |
| 04:20.19 | AssociateX | haha |
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| 04:20.23 | asg | AssociateX: type that in your irc client, our bot will give you information on how to find what you are looking for. |
| 04:20.31 | AssociateX | asg, thanks |
| 04:20.39 | asg | AssociateX: you're welcome |
| 04:20.55 | mwilson | asg: it's an unstable-only package... he probably thinks it should be in stable or something. |
| 04:21.02 | AssociateX | asg, the bot does not know what it is |
| 04:21.12 | asg | AssociateX: read the rest of the factoid |
| 04:21.18 | AssociateX | but it's a tool for blackbox config |
| 04:21.28 | mwilson | AssociateX: Except that it does, of course. |
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| 04:21.39 | asg | mwilson: ah |
| 04:21.42 | mwilson | Why do people lie about things so easily checked? |
| 04:21.49 | Eagle101 | I Love Linuxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;) |
| 04:21.59 | takatumi | urrgg. |
| 04:22.05 | AssociateX | <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, AssociateX |
| 04:22.10 | AssociateX | haha |
| 04:22.17 | takatumi | !pal AssociateX |
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| 04:22.49 | AssociateX | haha, good, now everyone is laughing |
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| 04:23.45 | kanati | Where would I find .deb packages for older releases of xfree86 for sarge or will woody packages work? |
| 04:23.55 | AssociateX | mwilson, who is lying? |
| 04:24.03 | oobe | dpkg, bugger |
| 04:24.04 | dpkg | bugger is probably EEEWWW! I really needed that image... neat cars with wings and polkadots, conforming with the standards of HELL |
| 04:24.05 | mwilson | kanati: Why do you think you need an older version? |
| 04:24.11 | penta | mwilson, true going to work on it configure lograte and other stuff for the /var/log ;) |
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| 04:24.20 | oobe | dpkg, poo |
| 04:24.20 | dpkg | i heard poo is djghdjgh, or shit |
| 04:24.25 | oobe | dpkg, shit |
| 04:24.25 | dpkg | it has been said that shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 04:24.35 | asg | oobe: /msg the fucking bot |
| 04:24.36 | sussudio | !ops oobe being a retard with the bot, been going on like this for hours |
| 04:24.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: oobe being a retard with the bot, been going on like this for hours |
| 04:24.53 | dondelelcaro | oobe: stop harassing the bot, please. |
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| 04:25.32 | atomon | part #debian :( |
| 04:25.37 | *** part/#debian atomon (~atomon@ool-44c2eee1.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:25.46 | oobe | does that !ops cmd msg all the channel ops |
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| 04:26.05 | FieldySnuts | no just says their name |
| 04:26.09 | asg | oobe: no, it summons Tom Clancy |
| 04:26.10 | Xenguy | oobe: yeah, it's sussudio's favourite rat command :p |
| 04:26.10 | oobe | how come the ops dont have @ next to there nicks |
| 04:26.26 | mwilson | oobe: Is there some reason they need to? |
| 04:26.28 | asg | oobe: because ops don't advertise. |
| 04:26.28 | FieldySnuts | because they like to pretend they aren't then whip it out |
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| 04:26.50 | oobe | lol |
| 04:27.12 | asg | mwilson: personal vendetta? |
| 04:27.25 | oobe | can i be an op |
| 04:27.35 | hellish | can someone point me to the HOWTO on making certain packages unstable while keeping the main system stable? I'd google, but I forgot what it was called. |
| 04:27.36 | mwilson | asg: Hm? Nah, New Voyages is fun. |
| 04:27.40 | dondelelcaro | oobe: no, you can't. Asking pretty much disqualifies you instantly. |
| 04:27.48 | oobe | i was being silly |
| 04:27.53 | oobe | cant you tell |
| 04:28.01 | asg | mwilson: my mistake, I read 'burn' literally. |
| 04:28.18 | asg | hellish: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 04:31.23 | oobe | !ops oh nothing dont worry about |
| 04:31.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: oh nothing dont worry about |
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| 04:31.35 | takatumi | heh |
| 04:31.38 | asg | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 04:31.38 | atomon | how does debian start gnome? |
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| 04:31.45 | inetd | in cedega? where is point2play? |
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| 04:31.47 | asg | atomon: it depends |
| 04:31.48 | inetd | i cant find it |
| 04:31.52 | atomon | asg: on? |
| 04:32.00 | atomon | asg: i'm a total noob, i don't really know what i'm doing |
| 04:32.12 | Plork | hi there, does anyone know anything about keyboard plugs ? specifcally older types ? |
| 04:32.13 | asg | atomon: whether you are running a *dm or using starx |
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| 04:32.15 | takatumi | atomon: try typing gdm as root. |
| 04:32.24 | asg | s/starx/startx/ |
| 04:32.36 | atomon | asg: i'm not using startx |
| 04:32.45 | dondelelcaro | Plork: there really are only 5 types of plugs: RJ45, DIN8, mini din8, adb, and usb. |
| 04:33.03 | asg | atomon: then gdm should start it the moment you type your username/password |
| 04:33.21 | atomon | asg: thx |
| 04:33.26 | asg | dondelelcaro: my wife claims there is a 6th but I won't go any further |
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| 04:33.41 | takatumi | asg: 7th you mean. |
| 04:33.42 | dondelelcaro | asg: it's possible... I'm only familiar with those 5, but I haven't played with some machines |
| 04:33.52 | takatumi | no err. |
| 04:34.06 | asg | dondelelcaro: righto |
| 04:34.08 | cafuego | Plork: The older ones you're referring to are probably Din8, aka 'AT'. |
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| 04:34.22 | f00f | hi :) |
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| 04:34.44 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: scsi |
| 04:34.53 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: db25? |
| 04:35.03 | cafuego | db50! |
| 04:35.10 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: centronics 50 you mean |
| 04:35.24 | takatumi | ub40 |
| 04:35.26 | f00f | scsi == centronics 50 |
| 04:35.30 | asg | takatumi: boo, hiss |
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| 04:35.39 | f00f | i think old scsi wide is centronics 68 |
| 04:35.50 | dondelelcaro | f00f: nah, it's centronics 50 iirc. |
| 04:35.59 | dondelelcaro | rrr... scsi-1, not wide scsi |
| 04:36.05 | peterS | centronics 50, yeah |
| 04:36.07 | f00f | :) |
| 04:36.09 | cafuego | f00f: That depends on if you have a weird-ass hole up the back of a powerbook. |
| 04:36.26 | peterS | did 68-pin scsi ever use a centronics plug? |
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| 04:37.26 | dondelelcaro | peterS: there was some sort of mini-centronics plug |
| 04:37.32 | dondelelcaro | peterS: for scsi-2 iirc |
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| 04:37.35 | cafuego | peterS: With sufficient work a 50 pin centronics plug fits, yes. (doesn't WORK, though) |
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| 04:37.58 | mwilson | cafuego: Apple laser printers used the same connector, too. |
| 04:38.19 | cafuego | mwilson: I've never had an apple laser, dunno. |
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| 04:39.01 | dondelelcaro | ah, phone net |
| 04:39.11 | dondelelcaro | the less said about that, the better |
| 04:39.11 | \Igor\ | can someone help me understand the difference between UID and EUID? for example, if a file is owned by UID 100, can it be accessed edited by a process with EUID 100? |
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| 04:39.34 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: 4Kb/sec should be enough for everyone. |
| 04:39.47 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: otheriwse their 640K ram would fill up anyway |
| 04:39.52 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: well, when you only have 512k of memory, 4Kb/sec is plenty! |
| 04:39.55 | larsie | Is it possible to install Debian on a USB Stick ? |
| 04:39.59 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 04:40.00 | larsie | And boot, and run it? |
| 04:40.11 | cafuego | larsie: yes. |
| 04:40.15 | larsie | 1Gbytes are cheap nowadays |
| 04:40.17 | cafuego | larsie: It's not fast, though. |
| 04:40.19 | larsie | :D great |
| 04:40.40 | cafuego | larsie: Easiest is to use syslinux on it, just make it boot a livecd. |
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| 04:41.00 | larsie | Ah, yeah, I saw one of those. It was Gentoo, livecd. |
| 04:41.16 | larsie | Well, I decided to emigrate to Debian, once again. |
| 04:41.16 | larsie | heh |
| 04:41.17 | cafuego | Well, you'd obviously want ubuntu, not gentoo. |
| 04:41.27 | larsie | never heard of it. |
| 04:41.36 | asg | larsie: you can build your own debian live cd easily with the 'bootcd' package |
| 04:41.50 | asg | cafuego: congratz |
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| 04:42.28 | takatumi | cafuego: can it connect to the intarweb and order stuff? |
| 04:42.44 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Phonenet works. For the time, that was more than you could say that just about anything else. |
| 04:42.44 | larsie | hehe |
| 04:42.47 | asg | cafuego: ah, ninja undies |
| 04:43.01 | takatumi | frozen thongs. |
| 04:43.01 | cafuego | takatumi: no, I much prefer fridges that don't waste extra energy making MORE heat |
| 04:43.04 | Eagle101 | help. Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages <---whats the package name on apt-get ??? thanks |
| 04:43.07 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: well, thicknet does too... but... |
| 04:43.30 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Yeah, compares to sneakernet for dos, phonenet kicked arse. |
| 04:43.33 | Dwayne_ | how can i tell how much video card RAM i have? |
| 04:43.35 | Dwayne_ | its an onboard one |
| 04:43.38 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: 230k was quite respectable for moving the average print job or work file of the time around. |
| 04:43.40 | Dwayne_ | i need it for xserver ;\ |
| 04:43.44 | asg | Eagle101: look for *gtk*-dev packages |
| 04:44.03 | rob__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:44.07 | Dwayne_ | ? |
| 04:44.08 | cafuego | mwilson: 230k! Sheesh, did you have *images* in your simpletext documents? ;-) |
| 04:44.10 | Dwayne_ | how can i tell how much video card RAM i have? |
| 04:44.12 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: oh, definetly... I think I used phonenet for probably 5 years or so to print... |
| 04:44.13 | Eagle101 | asg: can it be libgtk-dev or without the lib in front??? |
| 04:44.13 | Dwayne_ | its an onboard one |
| 04:44.22 | cafuego | Dwayne_: Stop repeating! |
| 04:44.27 | mwilson | cafuego: 230k SPEED, silly person. |
| 04:44.30 | Dwayne_ | dpttu |
| 04:44.33 | Dwayne_ | sorry* |
| 04:44.36 | asg | Eagle101: libgtk-dev, libgtk<plus other stuff>-dev |
| 04:44.51 | cafuego | Dwayne_: Check the system bios, it'll have an option to assign ram to vga. |
| 04:45.01 | Dwayne_ | ahh |
| 04:45.02 | Dwayne_ | i cant :X |
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| 04:45.04 | asg | dondelelcaro: hehe |
| 04:45.07 | Dwayne_ | ubuntu is asking me now ;\ |
| 04:45.19 | kanati | mwilson: sorry, landlord just dropped by.. Xv doesn't work with my nvidia driver and the newer xfree86. So, I need nvidia to make a decent driver, or an older version of xfree86. Figure I'll have better luck with the second. |
| 04:45.30 | bowman | I have a synaptics touchpad question concerning mozilla - when I "tap" the pad and go to the left/right it executes back/forward in the browser - how do I disable this? |
| 04:45.35 | Eagle101 | asg: i have those already installed...why isnt detecting GTK as installed? |
| 04:45.38 | cafuego | Dwayne_: Wrong channel |
| 04:45.45 | Dwayne_ | ? |
| 04:45.49 | Dwayne_ | they told me to come here |
| 04:45.53 | cafuego | Dwayne_: And ffs, READ WHAT THE SCREEN SAYS, NOT JUST THE FIRST LINE! |
| 04:46.01 | cafuego | god dammit |
| 04:46.04 | asg | Eagle101: you either don't have the right package or you didn't do 'make distclean' before re-running ./configure |
| 04:46.12 | Dwayne_ | calm the fuck down |
| 04:46.20 | cafuego | Dwayne_: Specifically, the "Just hit return" bit |
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| 04:47.27 | factor | does anyone have a problem with the gnome-panel package from debian3.1? |
| 04:47.33 | mwilson | Man, I love sqlite |
| 04:47.43 | factor | sqlite is nice |
| 04:47.49 | cafuego | factor: http://bugs.debian.org/ |
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| 04:47.59 | Eagle101 | asg: thanks man, i just didnt think about make distclean |
| 04:48.17 | asg | Eagle101: did that fix it? |
| 04:48.18 | mwilson | 99.9% of what I personally need a database for is solved by sqlite. |
| 04:48.26 | Eagle101 | asg: yup, thanks |
| 04:48.29 | asg | mwilson: s/I/most people/ |
| 04:48.33 | asg | Eagle101: good, you're welcome |
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| 04:48.46 | asg | !moron root_ |
| 04:48.47 | dpkg | root_: You are moron #32 |
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| 04:49.00 | f00f | !moron f00f |
| 04:49.01 | dpkg | f00f: You are moron #79 |
| 04:49.07 | f00f | heh |
| 04:49.07 | larsie | hehe |
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| 04:49.13 | cafuego | !illiterate Dwayne_ |
| 04:49.16 | Eagle101 | asg: i love debian, but lately i dont know whats up, its running very slow...for ex. today all day it said processor: 100% in use...weird |
| 04:49.17 | factor | heh funny lou dobbs. |
| 04:49.27 | cafuego | Eagle101: run 'top' |
| 04:49.34 | f00f | this is the last straw with gentoo |
| 04:49.39 | asg | !bemoan the dying batteries |
| 04:49.41 | f00f | i tihnk im going to install debian on my laptop |
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| 04:49.52 | cafuego | f00f: We don't want to know about gentoo. |
| 04:49.59 | f00f | asg, hurry! enforce stricter cpufreqd policy! |
| 04:50.12 | asg | f00f: it's already well throttled down |
| 04:50.39 | factor | debian does rock. |
| 04:50.53 | Eagle101 | cafuego: Mem: 1035952k total, 981012k used, 54940k free, 26200k buffers |
| 04:51.07 | asg | cafuego: that's about the size of it |
| 04:51.09 | dli | how do I find my current cpu freq? |
| 04:51.10 | factor | some problems but you always have alternate ways of doing things , which the other systems do not have. |
| 04:51.20 | cafuego | Mem: 1544100k total, 1271024k used, 273076k free, 161212k buffers |
| 04:51.20 | asg | dli: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:51.24 | cafuego | !win me |
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| 04:51.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego! You have won the US presidency! |
| 04:51.31 | f00f | cat /proc/cpufreq |
| 04:51.53 | cafuego | As my first and last act, I hereby order a preemptive nuclear strike on home soil. |
| 04:52.20 | dli | asg: no, it shows the model, but the frequency never changes |
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| 04:52.25 | cafuego | Eagle101: Pasting memory stats isn't useful, look at the columns, see which one eats cpu. |
| 04:52.37 | isga | g day |
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| 04:53.03 | Eagle101 | cafaugo: firefox, lol |
| 04:53.06 | peterS | f00f: many have threatened, few have followed through. be a trendsetter |
| 04:53.09 | isga | how do i use animated backgrouds in gnome? |
| 04:53.13 | cafuego | Eagle101: java/flash? |
| 04:53.17 | isga | like xripple? |
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| 04:53.24 | takatumi | Eagle101: swf? |
| 04:53.46 | Eagle101 | cafuego: they are installed |
| 04:53.50 | Eagle101 | takatumi: i guess |
| 04:53.58 | cafuego | Eagle101: Are they *running* ? |
| 04:54.18 | isga | or can i use xplanet as animated background? |
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| 04:55.18 | kanati | Anyone know where to find .deb packages for older xfree86 releases for sarge? Or how to build a .deb from their source? Or, if xfree86s install scripts in their distro-less releases is debian friendly? |
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| 04:55.51 | peterS | kanati: for the first, try http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:56.09 | Eagle101 | cafuego: nope... |
| 04:56.32 | peterS | kanati: to build a deb from source: (as root) apt-get build-dep packagename; apt-get source packagename; cd packagename-version; dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 04:56.58 | peterS | kanati: all but the first step can be done as non-root, but in that case you have to install the 'fakeroot' package and call dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 04:58.32 | kanati | peterS: Thank you. I'm looking through snapshot, but if that doesn't work, I'll dowload the source and try that. |
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| 04:58.48 | usr010 | xine? |
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| 04:59.13 | takatumi | peterS: why not apt-build? |
| 04:59.16 | usr010 | i badly need sleep |
| 04:59.24 | nan0 | why does this work?: wget -r -l 6 -p -c http://waypoints.ath.cx/nc/cs1.ht |
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| 04:59.30 | peterS | takatumi: I haven't tried apt-build |
| 04:59.49 | takatumi | peterS: same here, had a twitch. |
| 04:59.50 | usr010 | i havent read alot of things i should |
| 04:59.52 | nan0 | why this doesn't work?: wget -r -l 6 -p -c http://waypoints.ath.cx/nc/cs1.ht (sorry) |
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| 05:00.18 | peterS | nan0: you'll have to be more specific. I'm sure it does what it's supposed to do. what did you expect it to, that it didn't do? |
| 05:02.01 | nan0 | peterS: i want to download all files listed in that html file. |
| 05:02.41 | peterS | nan0: well, I'll tell you the first problem. the original URL gives me a 404 error. so there is no html file. |
| 05:02.52 | nan0 | ?? |
| 05:03.16 | peterS | a "404 error" means a web server replies that a given resource is not found |
| 05:03.19 | netsurfer | should be .htm |
| 05:03.19 | nan0 | peterS: but i can get it with links and download one by one |
| 05:03.22 | netsurfer | NOT .ht |
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| 05:03.54 | tom74 | speaking of apt-build: can somebody name a package or two that can be apt-build in sid? i get nothing but errors. Maintainer suggested I my be facing FTBFS problems. |
| 05:04.08 | nan0 | http://waypoints.ath.cx/nc/cs1.htm |
| 05:04.13 | nan0 | thats the page |
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| 05:04.18 | peterS | nan0: yeah, try feeding *that* into wget, then |
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| 05:04.21 | jasonf | !tell me about sid |
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| 05:05.20 | sgeigerbot | !tell jasonf about sidfaq |
| 05:05.26 | sgeigerbot | !tell jasonf about sid faq |
| 05:05.38 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 05:05.38 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
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| 05:06.08 | sgeigerbot | Woweee: http://www.prelude-ids.org/ |
| 05:07.14 | jasz | what's the difference between "static NAT" and "ip passthrough" (on a dsl modem) |
| 05:08.35 | inetd | whose into trance/techo ? :) |
| 05:08.39 | sgeigerbot | jasz: http://www.eicon.com/support/helpweb/safepipe/static_nat.htm a |
| 05:08.51 | peterS | jasz: IP passthrough would only allow you a single IP address, I suspect, but that one IP address would have direct route access to the world |
| 05:08.58 | usr010 | where can i faind some rare cool packages |
| 05:09.11 | peterS | usr010: ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ |
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| 05:10.05 | takatumi | usr010: or apt-get.org |
| 05:11.16 | usr010 | whats that do get the whole server |
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| 05:16.02 | Little_Dump | hello. i have a really quick question. what can I add to a command so that I supress its stdout and stderr output. I dont wanna see it because its no use to me, I just want the program to run its course. I know that using mycommand > myfile sends stdout into that file. thats not really what i want though |
| 05:16.05 | nan0 | peterS: do you know something that downloads the links inside an html? |
| 05:16.18 | peterS | nan0: 'wget -i filename.html' claims to |
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| 05:16.37 | peterS | nan0: but I suspect I'm reading it wrong |
| 05:16.59 | nan0 | yes, me too |
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| 05:17.56 | hyde | I installed lvm in root partition, is it possbile to convert it back to normal partition? |
| 05:18.22 | peterS | hyde: not unless you have some other space to put your data in the meantime. if you do, it can be done but it's a bit tricky |
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| 05:19.13 | hyde | peterS I have plenty of space to do that, in another partition |
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| 05:19.36 | peterS | hyde: the whole partition is free (so you could blow it away), or you just have a lot of free space *in* the other partition? |
| 05:19.45 | peterS | hyde: (either will work, but the procedure is different) |
| 05:20.25 | peterS | hyde: note, I'm talking about free space *outside* the LVM volume group you're wanting to get rid of, the one that includes your root filesystem |
| 05:20.40 | hyde | peterS: I just have lots of free space in the other partitions, but in the same volume group though |
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| 05:21.22 | peterS | hyde: well, I don't know that you can shrink a volume group without taking it offline. (or even with taking it offline - I'm not sure how, unless you just want to remove a specific PV from it) |
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| 05:21.53 | peterS | hyde: so, unless you've got enough space to back up all the data in your volume group, somewhere *outside* your volume group, I don't think I can help you |
| 05:22.20 | hyde | peterS: you mean I couldn't get root partition offline |
| 05:22.53 | peterS | hyde: even if you could, if your volume group spans a whole disk and you want to shrink it down to just part of a disk, I don't know how you'd do *that* |
| 05:23.24 | Weems | Im having a problem with apt, it cant install any packages because libxv will not install: heres the error: dependency problems prevent configuration of gstreamer0.8-misc: |
| 05:23.24 | Weems | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.52 | Little_Dump | does any one know what the say command does and where i can find it? |
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| 05:23.59 | Eagle101 | guys, whats a good graphical ftp program? |
| 05:24.13 | Weems | filezilla |
| 05:24.16 | dondelelcaro | Eagle101: just use the console... lftp |
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| 05:24.29 | dondelelcaro | Weems: paste the full output in #flood or use paster |
| 05:24.33 | iNTEGRiTY-RMF | OpenBSD staticky.com 3.3 STATICKY#0 i386 |
| 05:24.35 | hyde | peterS: I have 3 disks in RAID 5. And this is a new installation, so it didn't use much space |
| 05:24.46 | sanxiyn | Eagle101: Nautilus. |
| 05:24.55 | Eagle101 | sanxiyn: thanks |
| 05:25.00 | sanxiyn | Eagle101: Heh. |
| 05:25.04 | hyde | peterS: each disk is 72G. But the install only used 3G in whole |
| 05:25.08 | peterS | hyde: well ... heh. you could purposely fail one of the 3 disks in the raid-5, repartition *that* and use it as your temporary storage |
| 05:25.31 | Little_Dump | does any one know what the say command does and where i can find it? |
| 05:25.36 | nan0 | peterS: have you seen a script or something that extracts the links from an html (i don't want to do it 8o) |
| 05:26.11 | dondelelcaro | Weems: and why can't you just apt-get install libxv1? |
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| 05:26.21 | dondelelcaro | Weems: read /topic, and don't /msg me |
| 05:26.28 | peterS | nan0: your original command wget -l6 -r seems like it ought to work |
| 05:26.35 | Weems | sorry |
| 05:26.52 | peterS | nan0: you might also need -Apwf |
| 05:27.00 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: ? |
| 05:27.11 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: Looking for "/usr/bin/say"? |
| 05:27.20 | peterS | nan0: I mean -Azip |
| 05:27.35 | Little_Dump | sanxiyn: possibly, what does it do? |
| 05:27.44 | Weems | dondelelcaro, it then asks for apt-get -f install |
| 05:27.46 | dondelelcaro | peterS: heh. I was going to say... what is pwf? |
| 05:28.09 | nan0 | ?? |
| 05:28.10 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: Dunno, but... |
| 05:28.13 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I made the mistake of looking at the *names* of the links in the file he provided. the links themselves are .zip files, but they're labeled as .pwf |
| 05:28.14 | sanxiyn | !find /usr/bin/say |
| 05:28.17 | takatumi | dondelelcaro: those are the files that guy is trying to download, |
| 05:28.19 | nan0 | he |
| 05:28.22 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/bin/say' returned no results. |
| 05:28.31 | iNTEGRiTY-RMF | OpenBSD staticky.com 3.3 STATICKY#0 i386 |
| 05:28.32 | sanxiyn | Oops |
| 05:28.32 | peterS | !say find /usr/bin/say |
| 05:28.33 | dpkg | find /usr/bin/say |
| 05:28.37 | peterS | at least *that* works |
| 05:28.40 | Weems | !find libxv |
| 05:28.41 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libxv' (3 shown): libxv-dev ;; libxv1 ;; libxv1-dbg. |
| 05:28.44 | sanxiyn | !find usr/bin/say |
| 05:28.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/bin/say' (3 shown): (/usr/bin/say) in sound/epos ;; (/usr/bin/saytime) in sound/saytime ;; (/usr/bin/saydate) in sound/saydate. |
| 05:29.01 | peterS | whoa |
| 05:29.03 | anibal | !say find debsign |
| 05:29.04 | dpkg | find debsign |
| 05:29.10 | peterS | why are saytime and saydate two separate packages? |
| 05:29.22 | anibal | !find debsign |
| 05:29.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'debsign' (3 shown): (/usr/bin/debsign) in devel/devscripts ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.2.3/functions/Completion/Debian/_debsign) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.2.3-dev-1/functions/Completion/Debian/_debsign) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 05:29.55 | Little_Dump | sanxiyn: would /usr/bin/say have been installed when i installed debian |
| 05:30.03 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: No. |
| 05:30.16 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: Debian contains one such command in "epos" package, which is text-to-speech system. |
| 05:30.35 | Little_Dump | sanxiyn: hmmm |
| 05:30.59 | sanxiyn | !info encompass |
| 05:31.09 | Little_Dump | alright heres my first question: |
| 05:31.11 | Little_Dump | hello. i have a really quick question. what can I add to a command so that I supress its stdout and stderr output. I dont wanna see it because its no use to me, I just want the program to run its course. I know that using mycommand > myfile sends stdout into that file. thats not really what i want though |
| 05:31.11 | sanxiyn | Eh. |
| 05:31.17 | sanxiyn | What happened? "encompass" removed? |
| 05:31.35 | sanxiyn | Where can I find a list of removed packages and rationale? |
| 05:31.56 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: Send to /dev/null |
| 05:32.15 | Little_Dump | sanxiyn: how do i send stderr? |
| 05:32.29 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: some command &> /dev/null |
| 05:32.42 | sanxiyn | (Or some command > /dev/null 2>&1) |
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| 05:32.46 | Little_Dump | sanxiyn: how do i send both at the same time |
| 05:32.56 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: &> does send both. |
| 05:32.56 | nan0 | peterS: i will do it my self (i mean the code that extracts links) |
| 05:32.59 | nan0 | bye! |
| 05:33.06 | Little_Dump | sanxiyn: how do i send only stderr then? |
| 05:33.10 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: 2> |
| 05:33.29 | Little_Dump | sanxiyn: what does !> do? |
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| 05:33.59 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: !> ? |
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| 05:34.18 | Little_Dump | sanxiyn: i think ive seen it before, maybe not |
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| 05:34.27 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: ! searches for an event |
| 05:34.30 | dondelelcaro | Weems: paste the output again into #flood |
| 05:34.44 | jasz | tarzeau, |
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| 05:35.28 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: Well, if you're curious, learn something about shell redirection. :-) |
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| 05:35.44 | dondelelcaro | iNTEGRiTY-RMF: stop repeating. |
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| 05:35.54 | Little_Dump | dpkg: shell redirection |
| 05:35.55 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Little_Dump |
| 05:35.56 | xenoduck | !nickometer iNTEGRiTY-RMF |
| 05:35.56 | dpkg | 'iNTEGRiTY-RMF' is 99.9232% lame, xenoduck |
| 05:36.16 | Little_Dump | dpkg is the man |
| 05:36.16 | dpkg | Little_Dump: are you smoking crack? |
| 05:36.16 | dabreegster | Hey, I was wondering if there was a good command line program that's basically mpg321 but with the ability to stop a playlist of songs, free up the sound device, and then restore playback to the same list and order, and possibly the same moment in the song. |
| 05:36.25 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: cplay will do this |
| 05:36.25 | Little_Dump | dpkg possibly |
| 05:36.26 | dpkg | Little_Dump: wish i knew |
| 05:36.39 | inetd | Little_Dump: what is the shell you are on? |
| 05:36.39 | Little_Dump | dpkg youre the one smoking crack now |
| 05:36.39 | dpkg | Little_Dump: bugger all, i dunno |
| 05:36.49 | Little_Dump | inetd: bash |
| 05:36.53 | sanxiyn | Little_Dump: dpkg is a bot. |
| 05:37.03 | Little_Dump | sanxiyn: i know. im messing with it |
| 05:37.04 | dondelelcaro | and the bot passes the turing test once again |
| 05:37.14 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: yeah, I tried that. I couldn't really find the option (but I'll try again). The main thing is, cplay is a frontend. I don't see how I can use it on the commandline. |
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| 05:37.44 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@66.195.171.90] by dondelelcaro |
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| 05:38.15 | sanxiyn | !nickometer sanxiyn |
| 05:38.17 | inetd | Little_Dump: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html |
| 05:38.31 | Little_Dump | inetd: thanks my man |
| 05:38.36 | dabreegster | Wait, never mind. /var/tmp/cplay_control is a 'remote control' |
| 05:38.45 | usr010 | s there a deb pkg for a torrent client? |
| 05:38.58 | inetd | usr010: use Azureus |
| 05:39.00 | sanxiyn | usr010: apt-get install bittorrent (or bittorrent-gui) |
| 05:39.01 | drac | usr010: apt-cache search torrent |
| 05:39.07 | drac | usr010: use qtorrent |
| 05:39.17 | sanxiyn | usr010: Use bittornado! :-) |
| 05:39.28 | dondelelcaro | bittornado is probably the most useful one out there... |
| 05:40.16 | Little_Dump | usr010: i use the bittorrent and bittorrent-gui packages. they depend on python though. theyre really simple to use |
| 05:40.22 | inetd | if you want GUI then the best is Azureus; if you dont mind ncurser GUI then go for the python stuff ;) |
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| 05:40.38 | Nurbs | usr010: mldonkey also works |
| 05:40.47 | sanxiyn | Glory of OCaml. |
| 05:41.12 | drac | usr010: pick one (qtorrent is best) |
| 05:41.14 | drac | ;> |
| 05:41.31 | sanxiyn | inetd: Curiously, there's no Azureus Debian package (that I'm aware of), nor any request to package it. |
| 05:42.00 | Nurbs | unzip works just fine for installing it ;) |
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| 05:42.16 | Nurbs | eh, tar xfj |
| 05:42.17 | sanxiyn | Nurbs: :-) |
| 05:43.21 | dabreegster | Ah, apparently mpg321 has a remote control interface too. It'll work. |
| 05:43.49 | inetd | sanxiyn: no need for deb package...there are binaries you can download off azureus website |
| 05:43.51 | Nurbs | "It'll work" famous last words |
| 05:43.58 | Yabden | mldonkey is great, i love it |
| 05:44.00 | sanxiyn | indes: Indeed. |
| 05:44.23 | inetd | Yabden: mldonkey has yuki gui :p |
| 05:44.30 | Yabden | yeah but it does the job |
| 05:44.41 | sanxiyn | inetd: Use it from the web. |
| 05:44.52 | inetd | sanxiyn: still yuki :p |
| 05:44.54 | Yabden | use it with one of the client gui programs |
| 05:44.58 | drp | sanxiyn, I've seen an azureus deb. package |
| 05:45.03 | Yabden | there are lots of those that work and they are quite nice looking |
| 05:45.06 | sanxiyn | drp: Well, that's nice. |
| 05:45.11 | sanxiyn | drp: Depending on Debian's SWT package? |
| 05:45.42 | usr010 | once ive installed the bittornado pkg where is it how do i execute it |
| 05:45.48 | sanxiyn | drp: See, you can make deb with checkinstall or whatever... packaging properly is something different though. |
| 05:45.58 | inetd | Yabden: yer? name 1 |
| 05:46.00 | drp | sanxiyn, indeed |
| 05:46.07 | Kokey | anyone with a Dell system? I have a notebook with a BCM modem, there is a driver for this? |
| 05:46.11 | sanxiyn | usr010: You don't. You click bittorrent link on the browser, and client is launched. |
| 05:46.12 | Yabden | cant name any linux ones honestly |
| 05:46.31 | Yabden | sancho works great in windows though... |
| 05:46.42 | inetd | Yabden: thats the thing...we on linux :) not windows |
| 05:47.06 | Yabden | yeah, the nice guis for windows are good in a situation like mine |
| 05:47.33 | Yabden | me and my friends have 56k and set up an mldonkey (among other things) server in town and they can download stuff through it, then just go pick it up later |
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| 05:47.50 | inetd | Yabden: you should try Azureus...its got a decent gui in linux :) written in java..but doesnt have all the laggy problems that typical java prog has :) |
| 05:48.18 | sanxiyn | inetd: Yeah, Azureus uses SWT, which is maybe better looking than Swing. |
| 05:48.23 | Yabden | no need, i only need a remote torrent type program |
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| 05:48.31 | sanxiyn | (The toolkit that Eclipse uses.) |
| 05:49.00 | sanxiyn | Then, SWT w/ Motif looks as ugly as Swing. |
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| 05:49.24 | sanxiyn | (Also, with any decent L&F, Swing looks great.) |
| 05:49.29 | inetd | sanxiyn: hmm..what ever it is...it takes my gtk2 theme :) which is cool |
| 05:49.40 | sanxiyn | inetd: Swing can do that, too. |
| 05:50.46 | Little_Dump | http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ <--- really nice simple program |
| 05:50.54 | inetd | hmm..i wonder ppl using the python guis...do they get any representation of which parts has the torrent completed? |
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| 05:51.16 | sanxiyn | inetd: No. |
| 05:51.19 | jasz | !ddclient |
| 05:51.24 | sanxiyn | (Not for bittorrent or bittornado) |
| 05:51.30 | jasz | !tell me about ddclient |
| 05:51.41 | Little_Dump | dpkg ddclient |
| 05:51.42 | dpkg | Little_Dump: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:51.51 | jasz | anyone here knows how to use ddclient ? |
| 05:52.02 | Yabden | yeah i use it but only in a very basic way |
| 05:52.04 | sanxiyn | jasz: Is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:52.09 | cheale1 | I have kernel problem : while I play a game, my PC reboots, as if I'd press on reset. should I google for "system crash", "reboot", or something more precise? |
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| 05:52.17 | jasz | sansaway, .. certainly... |
| 05:52.21 | jasz | Yabden, what is "a very basic way" ? |
| 05:52.30 | Yabden | updates my ip to yabden.dyndns.org |
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| 05:52.44 | dabreegster | I hate to ask another question about cplay, but it says its remote control interface is lirc or whatever. I see now that that's literally a remote control thing, not just sending commands to a file. Any way I can do the pause the playing of mp3s, free the sound device, then later resume at the same order of songs? |
| 05:52.48 | inetd | !help |
| 05:52.50 | inetd | :p |
| 05:52.54 | cse__ | hey all, how are you doing |
| 05:52.58 | usr010 | if ur serious thats all i have to do its not working unless i have to reboot for the changes to set in from dpkg -i |
| 05:52.59 | jasz | Yabden, that's what i want.. but i'm behind a dsl modem and a wireless router... |
| 05:53.04 | Yabden | according to its info file it can do a whole ton of stuff |
| 05:53.30 | sanxiyn | usr010: ?????? |
| 05:53.38 | usr010 | bittornado |
| 05:53.47 | Little_Dump | cheale1: id post a detailed problem description on a popular linux forum. prolly be ur best bet |
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| 05:53.51 | sanxiyn | usr010: It doesn't work for you? That's strange. |
| 05:54.13 | sanxiyn | usr010: In general, you never need to reboot. Don't do that. |
| 05:54.17 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: I'm just asking to help me google first |
| 05:54.20 | usr010 | installed both bed pkgs gui all and sumthing else all |
| 05:54.22 | cse__ | I'm having an issue installing a new kernel. "/sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: No such file" "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 05:54.32 | cse__ | I tried to install a kernel image |
| 05:54.44 | usr010 | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bittornado |
| 05:54.50 | sanxiyn | usr010: ? |
| 05:54.51 | Little_Dump | cheale1: google for ur kernel version and the program that is causing the crash |
| 05:54.55 | sanxiyn | usr010: What are you doing? |
| 05:55.01 | Yabden | if you are using bittornado to remotely download things seriously try mldonkey |
| 05:55.11 | usr010 | thats the pkg i instakked' |
| 05:55.20 | sanxiyn | usr010: Use apt, don't download deb directly and install! |
| 05:55.31 | usr010 | why not |
| 05:55.45 | sanxiyn | usr010: Okay, if you prefer that way (which I cannot understand at all), be it so. |
| 05:55.45 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: it's not a program. "nvidia kernel 2.6.8" has 28,500 results |
| 05:55.49 | amyb | I tried to do a dist-upgrade from woody to sarge but xserver-xfree86 and x-windows-system-core couldn't be configured with an error of "discover: Bus not found." . hmm, any ideas? |
| 05:55.52 | jasz | !tell me about reconfigure |
| 05:56.03 | cheale1 | jasz: use /msg dpkg question |
| 05:56.04 | sanxiyn | usr010: How it doesn't work? |
| 05:56.11 | sanxiyn | Describe problem. |
| 05:56.14 | Little_Dump | cheale1: the nvidia drivers are causing ur crash? |
| 05:56.19 | cse__ | anyone.. little help? I |
| 05:56.21 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: yes |
| 05:56.27 | cse__ | I'm using SATA ICH5 chipset |
| 05:57.00 | jasz | cheale1, ... oh.. ok.. i didnt know that one |
| 05:57.09 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: Hate to bother you again, but I still don't see how cplay can pause the playlist, free dsp, then resume, much less be controlled non interactively. |
| 05:57.12 | Little_Dump | cheale1: thats not a common problem i dont think. i have a geforce 4 4600 with those nvidia drivers on that same kernel. I play quake 3 and tron and cannon smash and I have no problems. |
| 05:57.23 | dabreegster | and the documentation is very brief and uninformative |
| 05:57.30 | Little_Dump | cheale1: its probably a conflict with something else |
| 05:57.34 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: damn it, I have the same card |
| 05:57.53 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: are you on full 6629? |
| 05:58.03 | usr010 | then can i just set apt-get to get everything |
| 05:58.13 | Little_Dump | cheale1: when were those released? |
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| 05:58.26 | sanxiyn | usr010: ? |
| 05:58.27 | Kobaz | ~find gtypes.h |
| 05:58.28 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: in november on nvidia.com I think |
| 05:58.38 | sanxiyn | usr010: Define "everything". |
| 05:58.40 | inetd | !freshmeat |
| 05:58.40 | dpkg | freshmeat is probably at http://freshmeat.net/, or _the_ place to search for whatever piece of software you know of/have heard of/dreamt of ... |
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| 05:58.50 | Kobaz | apt find gtypes.h |
| 05:58.52 | cdc | i want vi to highlight C++ syntax how do i do that ? |
| 05:59.00 | sanxiyn | cdc: syntax on |
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| 05:59.15 | Little_Dump | cheale1: not sure. i may be on the ones previous to those |
| 05:59.15 | cdc | sanxiyn, where should i give that |
| 05:59.19 | sanxiyn | cdc: Ah, vi? Not vim? |
| 05:59.19 | Yabden | if you installed bittornado usr010 it is invoked by btsomething from the console |
| 05:59.30 | sanxiyn | Yabden: Not really. |
| 05:59.30 | cdc | yes vi |
| 05:59.33 | Yabden | there are like 10 different commands, just push bt then tab twice |
| 05:59.34 | cdc | i want it in vi |
| 05:59.44 | Yabden | yeah it is |
| 05:59.57 | sanxiyn | Yabden: bt* are to be launched from web link (throught mime-support) |
| 06:00.09 | Xenguy | cdc: have you considered trying out vim ? :-) |
| 06:00.12 | Yabden | well they definately work for direct torrent downloading |
| 06:00.23 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: apt-show-versions nvidia-glx. can you try upgrading and tell me if your system crashes about each hour of opengl use? :) |
| 06:00.23 | cdc | Xenguy, ok how about in vim |
| 06:00.32 | sanxiyn | cdc: syntax on |
| 06:00.33 | cdc | Xenguy, i ve not used it but how do i do that in vim |
| 06:00.45 | Little_Dump | cheale1: takes an hour to crash? |
| 06:00.45 | cdc | sanxiyn, where should i specify that |
| 06:00.56 | sanxiyn | cdc: After pressing :. |
| 06:00.58 | Xenguy | cdc: :set syntax on <-- something like that |
| 06:01.07 | sanxiyn | Xenguy: Oh, no. |
| 06:01.08 | usr010 | i wish aqua teEN WAS ON TONIGHT |
| 06:01.10 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: roughly. a bit less. this would be a perfect occasion to play something together ;) |
| 06:01.13 | Xenguy | cdc: or else -> :syntax on |
| 06:01.17 | sanxiyn | Ah. |
| 06:01.21 | Xenguy | sanxiyn: oh no, what? |
| 06:01.29 | sanxiyn | Xenguy: sorry |
| 06:01.36 | Xenguy | sanxiyn: np |
| 06:01.47 | cdc | Xenguy, ok thanks but everytime i ve to do that is it> |
| 06:01.48 | cdc | ? |
| 06:01.55 | sanxiyn | cdc: Put it in .vimrc |
| 06:02.04 | Xenguy | cdc: no, you put it in your ~/.vimrc |
| 06:02.06 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: my problem originally looked to me as random reboots until I realized it was only while gaming |
| 06:02.10 | Little_Dump | cheale1: have u ruled out overheating? |
| 06:02.36 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: I didn't...that could be a good thing to look at |
| 06:02.38 | Xenguy | cdc: just put this line in ~/.vimrc -> syntax on |
| 06:02.59 | Yabden | it could be ram either, bad ram often causes crashes/reboots while doing things like gaming |
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| 06:03.18 | Xenguy | cdc: I can DCC you a starter .vimrc file if you want |
| 06:03.19 | Yabden | memtest86 can check your ram quality |
| 06:03.22 | dondelelcaro | Weems: if you're actually running Debian, you should have no problem installing libbonobo-activation4, since 1:2.4.0-4 is in sarge and sid. |
| 06:03.24 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: actually I think I'm going under windows for a moment and see about that :) |
| 06:03.33 | Little_Dump | cheale1: good plan |
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| 06:04.04 | Little_Dump | cheale1: might not even be the vid card overheating. could be processor or ram. |
| 06:04.07 | inetd | cdc: echo "syn on" > ~/.vimrc && vim test.c |
| 06:04.07 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: thanks for telling me about your experience... I didn't expect such a luck |
| 06:04.08 | inetd | :) |
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| 06:04.47 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: yeah...but I know my GPU fan is a little more cowboy than the rest :) |
| 06:05.02 | meandyou | can anyone help me set up my NFS server under ubuntu |
| 06:05.17 | Little_Dump | cheale1: i know when i play CSS on windows if i dont turn up my fans my temp gets up around 60C and at that point itll restart on me and ill sit there and be like wtf but then ill look at my fan controller and see my temps are 60 and my fans are spinnin low |
| 06:05.17 | dondelelcaro | meandyou: #ubuntu can |
| 06:05.18 | cheale1 | meandyou: #unbuntu |
| 06:05.20 | drac | meandyou: ask #ubuntu |
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| 06:05.25 | inetd | meandyou: we can if you tell us whats wrong :) |
| 06:05.37 | drac | no we can't |
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| 06:05.55 | mousex | hi-there |
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| 06:06.19 | cheale1 | Little_Dump: thanks again. time for OS alienation now |
| 06:06.34 | mousex | do most usb speakers & usb sound cards work w/ linux? |
| 06:06.35 | Little_Dump | cheale1: no problem |
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| 06:07.05 | meandyou | I have added my share in /etc/exports, started portmap and NFS server then issued exportfs but i cant access the share from clients |
| 06:07.11 | peterS | mousex: I think so |
| 06:07.12 | Little_Dump | mousex: no experience but my best guess is yes. ur best bet would be a 2.6 kernel of course |
| 06:07.32 | cdc | Xenguy, i dont have vimrc i have viminfo |
| 06:07.39 | meandyou | what am i missing here |
| 06:07.42 | cdc | Xenguy, is that the file? |
| 06:07.50 | sanxiyn | cdc: Create vimrc file if it doesn't exist. |
| 06:07.54 | Xenguy | cdc: 2 different files |
| 06:08.08 | Xenguy | cdc: .vimrc is the more important one |
| 06:08.14 | mousex | peterS, Little_Dump, I have the usb-audio module with 2.6.10 |
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| 06:09.06 | Nurbs | mousex: should be fine for almost anything |
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| 06:09.13 | meandyou | inetd, Any help |
| 06:09.15 | mousex | thanks |
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| 06:10.07 | Xenguy | cdc: incoming |
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| 06:10.21 | cdc | Xenguy, got it |
| 06:10.24 | cdc | one sec |
| 06:10.27 | cdc | let me check out |
| 06:10.29 | Xenguy | cdc: HTH :-) |
| 06:10.40 | Little_Dump | does anyone know if recompiling the kernel so that it knows i have a pentium m processor would give me any power savings. i hate recompiling kernels. the performance is fine as it is, but if i can gain on power it might be worth it |
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| 06:11.25 | cdc | Xenguy, i am unable to find the file in downloads directory |
| 06:11.26 | cg0def | hi, is there a gui based program that install's debs when you double click them? |
| 06:11.38 | cdc | cd ~/.xchat2/downloads |
| 06:11.47 | Xenguy | cdc: find / -iname .vimrc |
| 06:11.55 | cse` | sorry to repeat but what does "[2342] init_ext3_fs(), err=0" "pivot_root: No such file or directory" "/sbin/init: 431: Cannot open dev/console: No such file" "Kernel Panic: Attenpted to kill init!" mean? Any help would be much appreciated. |
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| 06:11.57 | amyb | how long should it take after doing dpkg --configure xserver-xfree86 ? it says it wrote the configuration file then appears to stop. |
| 06:12.08 | Xenguy | cdc: as root |
| 06:12.42 | dendrite | cse`: On boot? |
| 06:12.53 | cse` | dendrite, yes |
| 06:12.53 | cdc | Xenguy, will try |
| 06:13.12 | dendrite | amyb: that command doesn't start X... |
| 06:13.33 | amyb | dendrite:b I'm not trying to start x. I'm having problems with configuring it after trying to do a dist-upgrade. |
| 06:13.36 | dendrite | cse`: General answer is that you're booting with an initrd image that doesn't support your boot device. |
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| 06:14.01 | amyb | dendrite: if I press control-c I get an error message saying I interrupted the post-installation script |
| 06:14.07 | dendrite | cse`: There is a bug in bts relating to the initrd-tools... |
| 06:14.15 | cg0def | also is there a gui to alien |
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| 06:14.17 | sanxiyn | Oh, dlocate is love. |
| 06:14.24 | Yabden | you can always run xf86config |
| 06:14.37 | dendrite | amyb: I generally do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, so I have no direct experience with your approach. |
| 06:14.43 | mwilson | Gee, does anyone else think the new debconf is more than slightly busted? |
| 06:14.52 | cse` | dendrite, i'm using SATA on an ICH5R... it detects the ICH5R before it hangs. This is a genuine debian kernel image btw. |
| 06:14.53 | drac | how about rpm2tgz, and deb2tgz, is there anything like that? |
| 06:14.57 | cdc | Xenguy, got it |
| 06:15.01 | sanxiyn | mwilson: Do you see gettext error? |
| 06:15.02 | amyb | dendrite I will try that. |
| 06:15.02 | cdc | Xenguy, now what should i do |
| 06:15.03 | Xenguy | cdc: :-) |
| 06:15.08 | cdc | Xenguy, actually the file was hidden |
| 06:15.17 | dendrite | cse`: And a 2.6 kernel? Yeah, some folks are getting bitten by that. |
| 06:15.17 | cg0def | drac: yeah alien |
| 06:15.32 | cse` | dendrite, 2.6.8 & 2.6.10 |
| 06:15.34 | Xenguy | cdc: cp .vimrc /home/yourUserID |
| 06:15.39 | drac | oh |
| 06:15.41 | amyb | dendrite: well tried and failed with an error message that xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed |
| 06:15.46 | sanxiyn | drac: You can extract deb with "dpkg -x" |
| 06:15.56 | Xenguy | cdc: 'dot' files are 'hidden', yes |
| 06:15.57 | sanxiyn | drac: Then tgz or tbz2 it. |
| 06:16.10 | cdc | Xenguy, ok did that |
| 06:16.12 | cdc | is that all? |
| 06:16.16 | mwilson | sanxiyn: No, dpkg-preconfigure is *obviously* broken. |
| 06:16.19 | Xenguy | cdc: should be it |
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| 06:16.24 | drac | cg0def, sanxiyn: ah, all new to me. thanks. going to read man pages and documentations now. |
| 06:16.24 | sanxiyn | mwilson: ? |
| 06:16.25 | Xenguy | cdc: fire up vim |
| 06:16.32 | dendrite | cse`: You may be able to sort this out by making your initrd manually... |
| 06:16.37 | cdc | Xenguy, no |
| 06:16.45 | mwilson | Or am I the only person who sees something wrong with this --> |
| 06:16.45 | cdc | not working |
| 06:16.47 | mwilson | debug user => sprintf(gettext("preconfiguring %s (%s)",$package,$version))"; |
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| 06:16.56 | Xenguy | cdc: define "not working" |
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| 06:17.00 | sanxiyn | mwilson: I see that too. |
| 06:17.04 | mwilson | Count the double quotes. :) |
| 06:17.12 | cdc | Xenguy, i mean syntax not getting highlighted |
| 06:17.24 | cdc | but when i say :syntax on it gets highlighted |
| 06:17.26 | starfish | has anyone seen nvz? |
| 06:17.27 | cse` | dendrite, will compiling my own kernel work? |
| 06:17.37 | sanxiyn | cdc: So... it fails to read your .vimrc? |
| 06:17.38 | cg0def | drac: alien is awsome probably the best rpm installed for a non rpm distro |
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| 06:17.49 | cdc | sanxiyn, yes probably :-) |
| 06:17.52 | sanxiyn | cg0def: Not very awesome, for me. |
| 06:17.53 | Xenguy | cdc: grep syntax ~/.vimrc <-- what is the output? |
| 06:17.56 | dendrite | cse`: Probably, especially if you compile in (not as modules) the stuff you need. |
| 06:18.07 | mwilson | sanxiyn: If you compare it to the previous package, it looks like a search and replace that went slightly... wonky. |
| 06:18.12 | dendrite | cse`: Because then you can forget initrd... |
| 06:18.15 | cg0def | sanxiyn: well I've had a pretty good experience with it |
| 06:18.27 | sanxiyn | cg0def: I have some bad experiences. So, YMMV. |
| 06:18.44 | cdc | Xenguy, i am sorry it works i was logged in as root |
| 06:18.47 | cdc | didnt notice that |
| 06:18.50 | cse` | dendrite, ok great thanks.. i'll give that a shot |
| 06:18.52 | sanxiyn | cdc: Ah. |
| 06:18.53 | cdc | Xenguy, i am sorry for that |
| 06:18.56 | Xenguy | cdc: ;-) |
| 06:18.57 | cdc | sanxiyn, got it |
| 06:18.57 | mwilson | sanxiyn: Although the changelog doesn't mention any changes like that. |
| 06:18.58 | cdc | it works |
| 06:18.59 | cdc | :-) |
| 06:19.02 | Xenguy | cdc: np |
| 06:19.28 | sanxiyn | vim is love, in strange way. |
| 06:19.45 | Xenguy | cdc: I like vi too, but vim is awesome -- try out the 'vim tutor' for instance |
| 06:19.47 | dendrite | cse`: #290474 |
| 06:19.55 | cdc | Xenguy, let me try out |
| 06:20.18 | Xenguy | cdc: just run -> vimtutor |
| 06:20.31 | Xenguy | sanxiyn: yeah, I think I know what you mean ;-) |
| 06:20.32 | dendrite | cse`: That's for your information -- when I read that report earlier there weren't any solutions. |
| 06:21.00 | cse` | dendrite, yep thanks.. much appreciated |
| 06:21.02 | dendrite | Who needs vimtutor when you can run Vigor??? |
| 06:21.07 | mwilson | Hm, never mind... joeyh already caught it. |
| 06:21.12 | Xenguy | dendrite: agggghhhhh |
| 06:21.22 | Xenguy | dendrite: ;-) |
| 06:21.22 | dendrite | Xenguy: =) |
| 06:21.40 | Xenguy | dendrite: it's funny - once ;-) |
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| 06:22.13 | cdc | Xenguy, got to go now thanks for ur help |
| 06:22.13 | cdc | cya |
| 06:22.15 | cdc | bye |
| 06:22.21 | Xenguy | bye |
| 06:22.21 | cdc | sanxiyn, thanks |
| 06:22.23 | cdc | cya |
| 06:23.08 | mwilson | sanxiyn: Fixed package is already in incoming |
| 06:23.53 | Little_Dump | does anyone know if recompiling the kernel so that it knows i have a pentium m processor would give me any power savings. i hate recompiling kernels. the performance is fine as it is, but if i can gain on power it might be worth it |
| 06:24.55 | dendrite | Little_Dump: That isn't really a debian specific question, but It's safe to guess that if you have such a chip and want to use it's specific modes, then having a specifically targetted kernel would be a good start. |
| 06:25.30 | dendrite | !dict targetted |
| 06:25.34 | dpkg | could not find definition for targetted |
| 06:25.36 | dendrite | Damn. |
| 06:25.51 | sanxiyn | !dict targeted |
| 06:25.53 | dpkg | could not find definition for targeted |
| 06:26.00 | sanxiyn | Hm. |
| 06:26.04 | dendrite | sanxiyn: I would have guessed s/tt/t/ also. |
| 06:26.09 | sanxiyn | It's "targeted", anyway. |
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| 06:27.53 | ireverentReveren | what do i need to do to get the kernel compile to not ask me questions? i am running make-kpkg and it is asking all sorts of questions... |
| 06:28.25 | dendrite | ireverentReveren: Heh heh. Why would you want to compile a kernel if you don't want to configure it to your specific situation? |
| 06:28.27 | dli | ireverentReveren, Ctl-C quit, and "make xconfig" for newbies |
| 06:28.48 | dli | dendrite, I think xconfig is okay |
| 06:28.51 | ireverentReveren | dendrite, i configured it already |
| 06:28.57 | ireverentReveren | and x is not installed |
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| 06:29.15 | dendrite | ireverentReveren: You configured it and it's asking configuration questions? |
| 06:29.15 | dli | ireverentReveren, guessing, you need "make oldconfig" |
| 06:29.28 | dli | dendrite, or you didn't copy the .config |
| 06:29.30 | dendrite | ireverentReveren: You may want to grab the config from /boot ... |
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| 06:29.43 | dendrite | dli: s/dendrite/dli/ |
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| 06:29.55 | ireverentReveren | thanks |
| 06:29.56 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 06:30.15 | ireverentReveren | i'll try make old config as i DID copy the current one to .config |
| 06:30.21 | dendrite | dli: In /boot there are configs for debian kernels... |
| 06:30.30 | da_bon_bon | irc.debian.org resdirects to freenode, why ? |
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| 06:30.42 | dli | dendrite, right :) but still need to make the name .config :) |
| 06:30.53 | dendrite | dli: Yeh, that's true. |
| 06:30.56 | dli | da_bon_bon, so what? |
| 06:31.21 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: For great justice. |
| 06:31.26 | jasz | yes |
| 06:31.27 | jasz | :) |
| 06:31.34 | da_bon_bon | dli: no, just asking, i didnt know. |
| 06:31.36 | dli | dendrite, I enjoy solutions for newbies :) kinda of "if you don't have a tail, you can do it" |
| 06:31.48 | dli | da_bon_bon, I don't ask :) |
| 06:31.58 | da_bon_bon | ok. |
| 06:32.00 | ireverentReveren | when i run make oldconfig it starts asking me the same questions... |
| 06:32.14 | dli | ireverentReveren, right, answer them :) |
| 06:32.20 | dendrite | ireverentReveren: What kernel are you compiling? |
| 06:32.32 | dli | ireverentReveren, when feel lazy, you can press Enter crazily |
| 06:32.36 | dendrite | ireverentReveren: And what kernel are you running? |
| 06:32.37 | sanxiyn | make menuconfig |
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| 06:33.10 | amyb | I am having problems to get xserver-xfree86 installed as part of a dist-upgrade. Can I paste the error into #flood for someone to have a look at? |
| 06:33.28 | dli | takatumi, can you print Japanese with mozilla? |
| 06:33.40 | usr010 | how do i search my drive? |
| 06:33.44 | sanxiyn | dli: I guess, yes. |
| 06:33.47 | ireverentReveren | recompileing the vanilla to get a few ectra options in, and to move up to 2.6.10, running 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 06:33.50 | takatumi | dli: I ain't Japanese if that's what you are implying :) |
| 06:34.03 | dli | sanxiyn: I couldn't print Chinese with mozilla in gentoo |
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| 06:34.07 | da_bon_bon | so, any developers or maintainers hanging 'bout here ? |
| 06:34.09 | dendrite | usr010: The find command will do that. It has lots of options. |
| 06:34.14 | dli | takatumi: sorry, sounds Japanese |
| 06:34.25 | peterS | amyb: oh dear. somehow your client pasted too fast, or something, and the server kicked you out |
| 06:34.26 | ireverentReveren | dli the orginal question was how to avoid answering them, as when i used make xconfig on my other comp i didnt have to answer all these |
| 06:34.33 | amyb | peterS I will try again |
| 06:34.41 | sanxiyn | dli: I could, for Korean. Eh, not sure. |
| 06:34.59 | dli | ireverentReveren, really? the same as menuconfig, I think |
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| 06:35.09 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: Yes. |
| 06:35.27 | dli | sanxiyn, in debian, my mozilla also prints Chinese, but in gentoo, only empty blocks |
| 06:35.35 | dendrite | ireverentReveren: The short answer is copy an existing config over. |
| 06:35.38 | sanxiyn | dli: Perhaps Gentoo problem, then? :-) |
| 06:35.46 | ireverentReveren | dli i didnt get menuconfig working either... i cant apt-get install ncurses-devel so i made the 2 changes by hand |
| 06:35.51 | da_bon_bon | sanxiyn: oh ok.. just asking :) |
| 06:35.59 | dli | sanxiyn, gentoo stable is much buggier than debian testing |
| 06:36.00 | ireverentReveren | dendrite i did, then made 2 changes |
| 06:36.17 | da_bon_bon | sanxiyn: is GNU/HURD bettter than GNU/Linux ? |
| 06:36.22 | dli | ireverentReveren, apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 06:36.22 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: If you got very bored, you can /whois all people in this channel, and search for their real name in db.debian.org. |
| 06:36.29 | usr010 | find seams 2 be a little to uber complicated |
| 06:36.33 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: It will find quite many Debian developers. |
| 06:36.38 | usr010 | anything easyier |
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| 06:36.52 | usr010 | just looking for a folder name or sumthing |
| 06:37.02 | da_bon_bon | sanxiyn: not bored :) |
| 06:37.06 | da_bon_bon | is GNU/HURD bettter than GNU/Linux ? |
| 06:37.11 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: No. |
| 06:37.18 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: Well, define "better". |
| 06:37.20 | jasz | da_bon_bon, no |
| 06:37.21 | dendrite | usr010: find /start/here -iname 'nametofind' |
| 06:37.29 | ireverentReveren | dli, cant find that package... i only have security.debian.org in my sources.list, though..... dont know what ones to add |
| 06:37.36 | jasz | da_bon_bon, it's still a very young project.. |
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| 06:37.45 | dli | ireverentReveren, apt-setup |
| 06:37.47 | da_bon_bon | sanxiyn: smoother, faster, stable. |
| 06:37.49 | ireverentReveren | Thank You |
| 06:37.56 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: Then definitely no. |
| 06:37.56 | dendrite | jasz: HURD is not what I'd call a "young" project... =) |
| 06:37.56 | da_bon_bon | jasz: is it a debian prject ? |
| 06:38.05 | dli | ireverentReveren, add sarge :) |
| 06:38.12 | jasz | dendrite, ... it doesnt grow much tho :P |
| 06:38.20 | dendrite | jasz: Heh heh. Indeed. |
| 06:38.44 | jasz | great.. my dyndns works now :) |
| 06:38.50 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ |
| 06:38.59 | usr010 | i search for torrent right but all the dir are resricted to root |
| 06:39.03 | da_bon_bon | sanxiyn: ok.. |
| 06:39.13 | usr010 | var an etc |
| 06:39.16 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: Yes it's hosted at debian.org, and as good a Debian project as any other. |
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| 06:40.07 | dendrite | usr010: Of course you have to have privs on the machine/path in order to be able to search... |
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| 06:40.17 | da_bon_bon | sanxiyn: ok.. not at all gnu ? |
| 06:40.24 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: ? |
| 06:40.33 | usr010 | ?english? |
| 06:40.57 | dendrite | usr010: You can't just go as a regular user and rummage around in everything. |
| 06:41.11 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: GNU/Hurd is an operating system (where GNU is for userland and Hurd is for kernel), and Debian GNU/Hurd is a distribution of it. |
| 06:41.21 | da_bon_bon | sanxiyn: ok,, |
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| 06:41.35 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: There are other GNU/Hurd distributions, notably Bee GNU/Hurd. |
| 06:42.15 | da_bon_bon | sanxiyn: oh, didnt know that |
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| 06:42.31 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: Bee distribution is based on NetBSD-originated pkgsrc tree. Interesting. |
| 06:42.48 | usr010 | su find results = nothing |
| 06:42.51 | sanxiyn | da_bon_bon: Debian GNU/Hurd is the most complete, from what I can tell. |
| 06:43.03 | da_bon_bon | sanxiyn: ok.. |
| 06:43.16 | dendrite | usr010: What specific find command did you run? |
| 06:43.26 | dli | is skype in debian? |
| 06:43.32 | sanxiyn | dli: skype is non-free. |
| 06:43.56 | usr010 | maybee i should just take a break |
| 06:43.57 | da_bon_bon | dli: yes. |
| 06:44.00 | dli | sanxiyn: in non-free? |
| 06:44.15 | dli | da_bon_bon, good, found it's better than gnomemeeting |
| 06:44.29 | usr010 | start fresh in the morthing u kno |
| 06:44.31 | sanxiyn | dli: Eh, no. I meant, Skype is not DFSG-free. (If it wasn't obvious.) |
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| 06:45.03 | Macky | anyone know of a webasedemail that i can use for a pop3...squirellmail is imap only |
| 06:45.12 | dli | sanxiyn: what about gaim-vv ? |
| 06:45.27 | sanxiyn | dli: Don't know about it, sorry. |
| 06:45.36 | chodapp | Macky: Softhome.net, but it's crappy. |
| 06:45.45 | Macky | nothing else? |
| 06:45.51 | Macky | everything imap? |
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| 06:46.15 | dli | sanxiyn, need to find something to save my phone bills |
| 06:46.25 | dendrite | Macky: apt-cache search pop|grep -i web |
| 06:46.30 | sanxiyn | dli: Others may know :-) |
| 06:47.15 | Macky | «dendrite» pop not found |
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| 06:47.33 | dli | sanxiyn: I'm running gentoo, just asking :) skype is in gentoo |
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| 06:47.57 | Xenguy | bye |
| 06:48.05 | chealer | dli: no gaim-vv |
| 06:48.11 | Little_Dump | would recompiling the kernel with my process set to pentium m and turning on processor scaling save my laptop quite a bit of power? |
| 06:48.13 | dendrite | Macky: I see a bunch of stuff here, notable among the hits are ilohamail, postaci |
| 06:48.13 | excelblue | uh... how do I get used to debian? |
| 06:48.16 | chealer | dli: skype can't be in debian |
| 06:48.22 | dli | chealer, gaim-vv is still too buggy |
| 06:48.28 | chealer | quite probably |
| 06:48.29 | excelblue | or why doesn't debian ever feel right to use for some reason |
| 06:48.35 | excelblue | even though I like every aspect of it |
| 06:48.41 | dendrite | Macky: No idea if any of those would play ball for you... |
| 06:48.43 | sanxiyn | dli: http://bugs.debian.org/255546 |
| 06:48.49 | Xenguy | excelblue: be specific |
| 06:48.55 | sanxiyn | dli: It discusses why Skype can't be packaged for Debian, even in non-free. |
| 06:49.01 | sanxiyn | dli: If you disagree, argue there. |
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| 06:49.12 | dendrite | excelblue: I found that getting to know the package management system really well was a big help. |
| 06:49.29 | Macky | «dendrite» ill look into i guess...im using postfix for a server....is it possible to have that work with imap? |
| 06:49.55 | excelblue | I understood the package management system pretty well |
| 06:50.08 | excelblue | what just didn't feel right is the simple fact that it felt too integrated |
| 06:50.08 | dendrite | Macky: Yes, you can always run an imap daemon along side your smtp daemon. They're independent, actually. |
| 06:50.15 | dli | sanxiyn: fine, users can download and install themselves |
| 06:50.22 | Xenguy | excelblue: what *are* you talking about? |
| 06:50.25 | dendrite | excelblue: Maybe slak is for you... |
| 06:50.32 | sanxiyn | dli: Yup. Perhaps one can even come up with "skype-installer" package. |
| 06:50.32 | excelblue | heh |
| 06:50.43 | dendrite | excelblue: Or LFS |
| 06:50.43 | Macky | «dendrite» ha the thing is im way retarded with linux,,,so that is like outa my game most likely |
| 06:50.53 | dli | sanxiyn: just as what they do with acroread |
| 06:50.55 | excelblue | I currently feel at home with slack, except it would be nice if I could have some nice lazy-man's packaging system |
| 06:51.07 | dendrite | Macky: Nah. Question is what imap server do you want to run? |
| 06:51.11 | Xenguy | excelblue: sounds like debian :P |
| 06:51.27 | dli | execelblue anything simpler than apt? |
| 06:51.37 | excelblue | say, does the debian packaging system get all screwed up if I compile a few dependencies myself |
| 06:51.42 | excelblue | then force-installed some RPMs |
| 06:51.50 | excelblue | as well as extract a slackware package |
| 06:51.56 | Xenguy | excelblue: use 'checkinstall' -- it helps |
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| 06:52.01 | dli | excelblue, apt is not rpm :( |
| 06:52.09 | Xenguy | excelblue: fuck RPMs |
| 06:52.13 | excelblue | heh... I was wondering if I would mess up the system |
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| 06:52.25 | Xenguy | excelblue: go ahead - be my guest ;-) |
| 06:52.34 | excelblue | if I installed a few RPMs, and then used aptget, |
| 06:52.46 | excelblue | but a dependency that hasn't been installed by aptget is already there |
| 06:52.52 | dli | excelblue, rpm won't mess up apt :( |
| 06:52.54 | Xenguy | excelblue: there are deb's for anything you can find in RPM... |
| 06:53.00 | excelblue | ah |
| 06:53.01 | Macky | «dendrite» im not the smartest...what would be the best one? |
| 06:53.05 | Xenguy | excelblue: avoid RPM's if at all possible |
| 06:53.08 | Little_Dump | would recompiling the kernel with my process set to pentium m and turning on processor scaling save my laptop quite a bit of power? |
| 06:53.10 | excelblue | I would |
| 06:53.18 | excelblue | what would happen if I compiled something from SRC? |
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| 06:53.22 | chealer | !tell excelblue about equivs |
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| 06:53.34 | dli | excelblue: Xenguy mentioned checkinstall |
| 06:53.39 | Xenguy | excelblue: that's where 'checkinstall' comes in |
| 06:53.49 | Xenguy | excelblue: I won't mention that again :-) |
| 06:53.55 | excelblue | ah |
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| 06:53.59 | excelblue | any online docs? |
| 06:54.00 | dendrite | Macky: I know courier is popular. |
| 06:54.10 | excelblue | since I don't have debian installed anywhere yet |
| 06:54.10 | Xenguy | excelblue: google it, and don't be so lazy |
| 06:54.16 | chealer | excelblue: you know you can compile from debian source, right? |
| 06:54.26 | Macky | «dendrite» is it easy to setup??...i need something simple |
| 06:54.39 | dli | excelblue, the fact is even smart one mess up with rpm, and even the dumber can mess up apt |
| 06:55.16 | dli | chealer, if not from debian source, then, it goes to /usr/local, no way to mess up apt |
| 06:55.27 | dendrite | Macky: cyrus-imapd may be an option. |
| 06:55.44 | dendrite | Macky: All of them are easy to set up if you're willing to read the instructions... |
| 06:55.57 | dendrite | Macky: Generally speaking, that is. |
| 06:56.05 | chealer | dli: but then it can't be a dependency automatically |
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| 06:56.54 | dli | chealer, it means dep at the time of compiling, and he mentioned he CAN compile :) |
| 06:57.22 | dli | chealer: leave them alone, don't like those rpm users |
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| 06:58.12 | chealer | dli: I don't really mind, he just looks like a troll |
| 06:59.02 | sanxiyn | chealer: Ah, RPM uses file-based dependency. DEB doesn't. |
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| 06:59.11 | thu | i am trying to install apache, but when i do "dpkg --configure apache-common" i get the error message: 'debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process' what process could be locking it? |
| 06:59.39 | chealer | Thu: synaptic? use lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 06:59.57 | mwilson | thu: Is there some particular reason you need to come up with your own way to install packages? |
| 07:00.07 | boukensya | hey guys.. how to I setup a printer to print A4 using lp? |
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| 07:00.23 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 07:00.34 | chealer | sanxiyn: BTW I don't understand why you say that |
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| 07:00.56 | chealer | boukensya: is /etc/papersize right? |
| 07:01.07 | thu | mwilson, actually i tried doing a apt-get install apache, but it got stuck on configuring apache-common, so i thought i try doing it manually |
| 07:02.09 | rohandhruva_ | sanxiyn: here ? |
| 07:02.13 | mwilson | thu: Everyone gets to guess what "got stuck" means, right? |
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| 07:02.19 | sanxiyn | rohandhruva_: here. |
| 07:02.33 | ireverentReveren | what is the code in cfdisk for ext3? |
| 07:02.39 | ireverentReveren | i cant seem to find it |
| 07:02.47 | chealer | Little_Dump: it looks like it's a fan problem :) thanks |
| 07:02.51 | mwilson | ireverentReveren: Probably because there isn't one. |
| 07:02.53 | thu | mwilson: i used to be able to select apache from dselect, haven't messed with debian in awhile, is there some better app to see all the available apps and packages? |
| 07:03.08 | ireverentReveren | mwilson then what do you do t get it? |
| 07:04.03 | chealer | Thu: if you have gnome, try synaptic |
| 07:04.10 | sanxiyn | thu: aptitude! |
| 07:04.21 | mwilson | ireverentReveren: Create a type 83 partition like most people do, and put the filesystem of your choice in it. |
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| 07:04.42 | ireverentReveren | how do i select which filesystem goes in it? |
| 07:04.59 | thu | mwilson: thanks!!! |
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| 07:05.30 | mwilson | I love how they can't be bothered to describe their actual problem. |
| 07:05.42 | c4_ | peterS: are u awake? |
| 07:05.56 | peterS | c4_: probably not |
| 07:06.10 | Xenguy | mwilson: you enjoy the general stupidity of the masses :-) |
| 07:06.12 | jasonf | I've got a box that has the correct sound modules loaded, and the user is in the audio group, but all users --- root included -- get permission denied errors trying to do anything with /dev/dsp |
| 07:06.16 | Macky | hey if i have somethin in /usr/lib/... how do i access that from the web?? |
| 07:06.24 | jasonf | any idea? |
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| 07:06.28 | c4_ | peterS: i did it |
| 07:06.36 | peterS | Macky: you create a path alias for it in your apache config |
| 07:06.45 | Macky | ok |
| 07:06.52 | c4_ | peterS: i did the program that extract links, it's horrible, but works |
| 07:07.13 | peterS | c4_: wget really should have been able to do the work for you |
| 07:07.15 | c4_ | peterS: can you see how to replace all that ifs? |
| 07:07.23 | c4_ | hehe |
| 07:07.40 | peterS | c4_: '/msg dpkg paster' - use a paste site and I'll take a look |
| 07:07.49 | c4_ | if(){if(){...}} |
| 07:08.12 | mwilson | Macky: You've already cracked the server, haven't you? What's the problem? |
| 07:08.35 | Macky | «mwilson» cracked the server? |
| 07:08.42 | boukensya | chealer: /etc/papersize doesn't work for lp some reason.. just like when printing from x etc... |
| 07:08.52 | c4_ | what is a paster, come on dpkg! |
| 07:08.57 | mwilson | Oh, gee, he has 'leet text, too. |
| 07:09.10 | c4_ | come on baby! lets do the twist! |
| 07:09.12 | Xenguy | stupid stupid stupid |
| 07:09.23 | mwilson | Isn't that special. |
| 07:09.32 | c4_ | who is calling me XD |
| 07:09.36 | Xenguy | special special special |
| 07:10.10 | chealer | boukensya: I think I don't know lpr enough |
| 07:10.24 | amyb | if I choose a console login from kde, how do I go back to the graphical login without rebooting? |
| 07:10.39 | amyb | oh wait, it did automatically when I logged out |
| 07:11.10 | Macky | «peterS» hey when i do that what is the url? |
| 07:11.28 | c4_ | my prog kicks ass |
| 07:11.29 | peterS | Macky: whatever you specify as the path for the directory in question, in httpd.conf |
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| 07:11.55 | xtapo | I think I'm using OSS. How do I switch to ALSA? |
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| 07:12.26 | xtapo | And secondly, what's the command to run the MTA setup utility? |
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| 07:13.41 | Macky | /> <Directory "/usr/lib/ilohamail/"> |
| 07:13.42 | Macky | </Directory> |
| 07:13.48 | Macky | thats what i have |
| 07:13.55 | Macky | what doo i need to add? |
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| 07:16.45 | quiet | hoe can I get enlightenments 'engage' bar? |
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| 07:16.51 | quiet | or something similar? |
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| 07:18.45 | chealer | xtapo: depends your MTA |
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| 07:19.15 | xtapo | chealer: there was some command that it mentioned during Debian 3.0's install that would configure any MTA. |
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| 07:20.08 | amyb | where does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 write the configuration file? it isn't updating /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... |
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| 07:20.30 | c01100011 | my system isn't as responcive as i would like it to be, i switched from kde to gnome and noticed some improvment but not enough, what can i do to tweak my install into shape |
| 07:20.42 | xtapo | Anyone know how I can setup gnome to give me options (like shutdown, restart) when I choose logout instead of well, logging out? If I make a new account on this system it has that as default, but there's some setting in my gnome profile that I need to change. |
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| 07:22.42 | hyde | how to backup and restore ssh host keys so that users wouldn't be alarmed if server host keys got changed later? |
| 07:22.45 | amyb | it's running the new settings for the root when startx is used at the command line only. |
| 07:23.47 | xtapo | nm, I figured out the gnome thing. |
| 07:24.36 | c01100011 | amyb i belive it is updating the -4 file, but if u edit the file manually dpkg-reconigure will not modify it |
| 07:24.40 | xlc | hyde: backup /etc/ssh, but you should done that anyways. |
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| 07:25.55 | hyde | xlc: I think I've done that, but still it won't work. I am trying it once again ... |
| 07:25.59 | takatumi | amyb: have you manually edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
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| 07:26.53 | amyb | takatumi no, it replaced it when I was upgrading to an autogenerated one. I also followed the directions at the top of the about generating a new MD5 checksum before attempting to run the configuration program |
| 07:27.14 | takatumi | amyb: so it isn't upgating the file anymore? |
| 07:27.18 | quiet | is enlightenment available for debian? |
| 07:27.26 | amyb | c01100011 , it's not changing that file. the last modified date was a few hours ago. but its storing the settings somewhere. |
| 07:28.00 | takatumi | amyb: try running dexconf and then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:28.28 | amyb | how about, is there a way to search the hard drive and show files modified within the last hour? |
| 07:28.28 | amyb | takatumi what does dexconf do? |
| 07:28.28 | xlc | quiet: apt-get install enlightenment, but its dr16.6 afaik in testing or unstable. |
| 07:28.28 | takatumi | amyb: man dexconf |
| 07:29.07 | quiet | well i want engage |
| 07:29.15 | quiet | i don't care about enlightenment |
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| 07:30.05 | quiet | do you know if install enlightenment will install engage with it? |
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| 07:30.27 | amyb | thanks takatumi. after running dexconf, it wrote the config file to the correct location. |
| 07:30.57 | hyde | xlc: it won't work here. I quickly tested it again by backing it up using tar, then removing ssh_host*key* files from /etc/ssh folder, restart sshd, then restore, then restarting sshd. Still got alarms. I tested so many times. Did i miss something? Could you please have a similar test in your side? |
| 07:33.26 | c01100011 | where can i find information on improving linux system preformance?. my computer doesn't fell as responcive as it should |
| 07:34.05 | xlc | hyde: do you still use the same config file then? |
| 07:34.30 | dondelelcaro | c01100011: there are bits and pieces of it all over the place... however, by default things should be reasonable for the most basic setups |
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| 07:34.51 | hyde | xlc: yes. the ssh_config and sshd_config are all in /etc/ssh folder. I backed up and restored the whole folder |
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| 07:35.01 | maelcum_ | con kolivas' responsiveness patches, if you want to patch your kernel |
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| 07:36.14 | maelcum_ | buth those are sometimes "not there yet", if you feel adventurous, you can test. |
| 07:36.36 | dabreegster | I'm looking for a very simple "jukebox" daemon. I mean it can play, through mpg321, MP3s and so on. It needs a pause command that would actually stop playback, freeing the sound device, and store the songs left to play and the current song's position in a queue. Then it could resume. Also, a simple queue system with adding songs to listen to after the current ones are done. |
| 07:37.26 | c01100011 | dondelelcaro: haha, yeah i suppose i would find it reasonable, but i am a bit obsesive compulsive, the 2 second stall between the click and firefox opening annoys me |
| 07:37.28 | dabreegster | Cplay is a frontend that uses ncurses, and anyway, I can't get it to do the above. I found various daemons on freshmeat, but am looking for a good recommendation. |
| 07:37.36 | dondelelcaro | c01100011: then don't close firefox |
| 07:37.48 | xlc | hyde: it should work. check the file permissions and your logfile or try to tell sshd the config file with -h i think. |
| 07:37.58 | xlc | hyde: the hostkey, i mean. |
| 07:38.04 | dondelelcaro | c01100011: reading stuff from disk will always take a few seconds... there's nothing unusual about that |
| 07:38.35 | c01100011 | dondelelcaro: can, i preload a few instances of it in my ram ? |
| 07:38.43 | dondelelcaro | c01100011: you only need one instance. |
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| 07:38.59 | c01100011 | dondelelcaro: how would i go about preloading ? |
| 07:39.03 | dondelelcaro | c01100011: just open it when you first start your session, and you don't need to open it again. |
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| 07:39.15 | dondelelcaro | c01100011: preloading? you start it once. It runs forever. |
| 07:40.09 | c01100011 | dondelelcaro: No, like how knoquerer is always running but just not visible, so when i click it is loading from ram disk not hard drive |
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| 07:40.43 | dondelelcaro | c01100011: just don't close firefox then. If you don't want it visible, stick an instance on a workspace that you're not using |
| 07:40.50 | dabreegster | Another question. Is there a way I can run a really lightweight X server in the background and when I launch a GUI app from the console, it could use the X server? I've tried the gdm trick where you make a specific program an entry so running a window manager isn't needed, but it's still a bit memory intensive and can't use multiple X apps. |
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| 07:41.10 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: set DISPLAY appropriately |
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| 07:41.29 | hyde | xlc: what version are you using? openssh. It won't work here even if I just cp -r the folder and cp the folder back. |
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| 07:41.32 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 07:41.33 | dondelelcaro | (but good luck finding a "lightweight X server") |
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| 07:41.55 | dabreegster | yeah |
| 07:42.17 | dabreegster | by the way, cplay doesn't seem to be able to pause the playlist and free the sound device. |
| 07:42.25 | xlc | hyde: i guess you will have to use cp -rva because you will lose file modes. |
| 07:42.26 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: use x to stop it. |
| 07:42.32 | dabreegster | ok |
| 07:42.50 | xlc | hyde: make sure hostkey ist 600 and hostkey.pub is 644... |
| 07:43.08 | xlc | hyde: your logfile should tell you i guess. read it. |
| 07:43.14 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: although, you really should get a soundcard that can do mixing |
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| 07:43.44 | hyde | xlc: they are the same mode. which log file? system log? |
| 07:43.51 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: I think mine can (cmi8330) but I still haven't been able to get that alsa module for my card going |
| 07:43.59 | dondelelcaro | ah |
| 07:44.32 | drp | I think somoen should have start a dondelelcaro fundraiser |
| 07:44.46 | drp | I think somoen should have a dondelelcaro fundraiser **** |
| 07:45.04 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: cplay lets remote playing be done through /var/tmp/cplay_something. It says its a fifo (first in first out) file. I tried echoing the documented commands to it, but I think I have to open up some sort of stream to it. Any clue how without writing a C app? |
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| 07:48.00 | quiet | anyone know how to get engage?? i have enlightenment installed.. but does that incude engage? |
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| 07:48.17 | drp | !engage |
| 07:48.36 | xlc | hyde: have you actually restarted sshd? |
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| 07:49.31 | hyde | xlc: yes |
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| 07:50.10 | Huahua | ºÇºÇ |
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| 07:50.34 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: yeah, it works like cat - > /tmp/cplay-$(whoami)/cplay_control; then things like pause, stop, etc. work |
| 07:50.52 | sap | has someone been notified about the frontpage of the #debian faq? it seems to have been deleted. |
| 07:51.07 | xlc | hyde: it should work then. |
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| 07:52.18 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: alright |
| 07:52.19 | xlc | hyde: did you change the hostname? |
| 07:52.33 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: dunno about the rest of the commands... it's pretty much not documented. |
| 07:52.44 | dabreegster | I |
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| 07:52.50 | dabreegster | oops |
| 07:52.50 | dabreegster | I'll figure it out |
| 07:52.51 | xtapo | Help |
| 07:53.01 | dabreegster | and if some aren't implemented, I can do it. It's python. |
| 07:53.10 | dabreegster | xtapo: how, exactly? |
| 07:53.13 | xtapo | I installed HAL, which installed udev, and now *poof*, my DVD-ROM drive is gone. |
| 07:53.13 | Daemon`Away | ...helps when you ask a question first... |
| 07:53.53 | xtapo | I can get it back by uninstalling it, but I want HAL. How can I get this fixed? |
| 07:54.05 | peterretief | i have a lexmark Z12 usb printer, any clues on how to get it to work - lexmark suggested i write my own drivers ok? |
| 07:54.12 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: ah, read /usr/bin/cplay; self.commands={"pause" et al |
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| 07:54.22 | drp | peterretief, lol |
| 07:54.24 | dabreegster | yep, that's it |
| 07:54.27 | xtapo | rofl |
| 07:54.56 | xtapo | That, and totem keeps quitting |
| 07:55.19 | dabreegster | oh, sweet. this just saved me a *LOT* of coding |
| 07:55.49 | dabreegster | adding in special queue features will be easy :P |
| 07:56.05 | xtapo | Any ideas on this HAL thing? |
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| 07:57.18 | xtapo | Anyone here named Mike? |
| 07:58.03 | Supaplex | you think? |
| 07:58.16 | dabreegster | that was *very* random. |
| 07:58.41 | suifur | HAL? as in Heuristic Artificial Life? |
| 07:59.04 | takatumi | !hal |
| 07:59.04 | dpkg | i guess hal is (Hardware Abstraction Layer) This is the portion of the operating system that lets programs deal with hardware directly. This allows programs needing more speed from the computer to bypass the standard OS calls to hardware. So instead of calling the Windows' API to draw a dialog box, you would go through the pain of actually drawing it out line by line: much faster, but much harder to write. This is of particular importance when writing games. |
| 07:59.12 | suifur | ah ok |
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| 08:00.06 | dabreegster | sort of thing svgalib does, methinks |
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| 08:01.11 | drp | !irritate drp |
| 08:01.12 | dpkg | drp: hi every1 who uses dvd hello? |
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| 08:02.14 | xtapo | Why did the car crash? |
| 08:02.19 | xtapo | Because it had a bad driver. |
| 08:02.23 | drp | HAL? as in Heuristic Artificial Life? |
| 08:02.24 | xtapo | hahahahahaha. |
| 08:02.33 | drp | its also one letter short of ibm |
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| 08:02.49 | Macky | hey postfix is an email server correct? |
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| 08:03.24 | xtapo | IBM? As in Incredibly Buoyant Machinery? |
| 08:03.37 | xtapo | Macky: Yes. |
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| 08:06.00 | xtapo | So, why did the little girl fall off the swing? |
| 08:06.18 | xtapo | nah, not that one |
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| 08:06.30 | xtapo | So a duck walks into a pharmacy and says |
| 08:06.41 | peterretief | will hal help me get a lexmarkz12 usb printer working |
| 08:06.42 | xtapo | "Gimmie some chapstick, and put it on my bill." |
| 08:07.09 | peterS | nvz? are you becoming a Phated? |
| 08:07.18 | quiet | where do i add another source to apt at? |
| 08:07.21 | nvz | peterS: I doubt it |
| 08:07.25 | peterS | quiet: run apt-setup |
| 08:07.36 | peterS | quiet: or edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:07.37 | nvz | peterS: wondering why I am hearing bad puns :P |
| 08:07.56 | xtapo | peterretief: I don't think so, your only real help is installing cups and trying to add it from within KDE/GNOME's cups UI. If there's no driver for the lexmarkz12, then I guess you might need another printer. Lexmarks are notorious for being cheap and hard to work with. |
| 08:08.00 | peterS | nvz: yeah, well. that's no excuse for raising a brow |
| 08:08.08 | nvz | peterS: heh |
| 08:08.22 | xtapo | What did one hat say to the other hat? |
| 08:08.54 | peterretief | xtapo: much cheeper to buy a new printer than write a driver!! |
| 08:08.58 | Supaplex | bleh? |
| 08:09.14 | nvz | I just woke up. Spent some time rakin leaves today and then manually removing massive quanities of spy ware from someone's windtendo |
| 08:09.18 | xtapo | peterretief: Exactly :-P |
| 08:09.38 | xtapo | "You stay here, I'll go on a head." |
| 08:09.53 | xtapo | Alright, final bad joke. |
| 08:10.11 | xtapo | Why did the little girl fall off the swing? |
| 08:10.16 | peterS | peterretief, xtapo: seen this one? http://timocharis.com/doodles/lexmark/ |
| 08:10.24 | xtapo | Because she didn't have any arms. |
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| 08:10.27 | amyb | if I have upgraded the kernel and was using sound driver modules, will I need to recompile these? |
| 08:10.53 | peterS | amyb: depends on what sort of kernel you upgraded to, and what sound modules you're talking about |
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| 08:11.38 | amyb | peterS: I went from 2.2.0 to 2.4.27 kernel, and the modules are alsa drivers for my sound card. |
| 08:11.57 | amyb | I guess if in doubt, do it. |
| 08:12.00 | peterS | amyb: your 2.4.27 - is it a Debian-supplied kernel image? if so, you're in luck |
| 08:12.26 | amyb | peterS: yup. official debian one installed the debian way. |
| 08:12.49 | xabier98 | hi how can i launch enligthenment with vnc |
| 08:12.54 | peterS | amyb: ok then. type 'uname -r' - it'll say 2.4.27-1-686 or something like that. there will be a alsa-modules-2.4.27-whatever package you can also install |
| 08:12.57 | amyb | hrm, then again, I am going to attempt to install nvidia drivers, which may need a kernel recompile... I might wait until after that to get sound working. |
| 08:14.07 | starfish | im workin on a pc and it has 2 HD's one windows the other linux how can i make it ask which to boot at start up? |
| 08:14.21 | xtapo | Question: Totem keeps crashing. Here's what happens when I run it from the console: ** (totem:4891): WARNING **: Couldn't read /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info (New line) Segmentation fault. |
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| 08:15.21 | starfish | yes im a newbie...lol |
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| 08:15.30 | peterS | starfish: you'll need a boot loader that lets you choose that sort of thing. grub will do it, I think, if you ask it really nicely. the question is how to configure grub to do that - but it can be done |
| 08:16.21 | starfish | how do i figure out how to set up grub and whether i have grub? |
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| 08:18.25 | starfish | my fiance just has to have her windows games |
| 08:18.48 | wobbler | xtapo i had a problem with totem and i fixed it with totem-xine |
| 08:19.42 | xtapo | wobbler: Yeah, but totem-xine has been bitchy as of late, so I wanted to use gstreamer |
| 08:20.20 | nvz | xtapo: gstreamer is a bitch 24-7 |
| 08:20.44 | wobbler | xtapo totem with gstreamer was a prob for me with totem |
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| 08:21.26 | starfish | how do i figure out how to set up grub and whether i have grub? |
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| 08:21.55 | nvz | starfish: we got like two separate problems with your issues maybe you should takle em one at a time |
| 08:21.56 | xtapo | wobbler: I just installed totem with xine, that's crashing too. |
| 08:22.07 | wobbler | poor you |
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| 08:22.26 | xtapo | I know :-( |
| 08:22.35 | nvz | starfish: first problem is that you need a bootloader, 2nd problem is we need to be in linux to install it. I think I may finally have an idea |
| 08:22.43 | starfish | i put a windows drive in my pc today to so i would love to figure it out |
| 08:23.05 | starfish | to=too |
| 08:23.32 | xaero | what's the problem? |
| 08:23.47 | nvz | starfish: one way or another we have to be in linux, so you either need to go to the Debian-installer channel and get help obtaining a chroot to rescue, or you need to somehow boot the linux drive |
| 08:24.12 | nvz | xaero: re: ? |
| 08:24.20 | wobbler | xtapo maybe try and rip your cd to see if it totem works with it on your system |
| 08:24.24 | starfish | well if i unplug the windows drive it would boot right |
| 08:24.49 | nvz | starfish: yeah but if the winders drive wants to be master, the bootloader has to be loaded onto the windows drive |
| 08:25.02 | nvz | so maybe you could plug em both in and tell the bios to boot from the 2nd one |
| 08:25.14 | nvz | then after you get the bootloader on there, switch em back |
| 08:25.35 | xtapo | wobbler: ? |
| 08:25.54 | starfish | you wanna try it with my pc |
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| 08:26.30 | peterS | nvz: or not - you could just put grub on the second drive, not touch the first drive, tell the bios to boot the second drive ... then if you pull the second drive out, the world continues to work as well as it ever did |
| 08:26.50 | nvz | the main thing that has stopped me from helping you setup those two pcs to properly dual-boot is you installed windows after linux, and you only have d-i which uses devfs and I have no idea how devfs works to mount or chroot anything |
| 08:27.00 | xtapo | Is anyone here named Ted? |
| 08:27.16 | wobbler | xtapo it sounds like its not seeing your cd properly if it cant read the info |
| 08:28.12 | starfish | well i ran kill disk on the drive with the virus and reinstalled windows for my pc today |
| 08:28.26 | nvz | peterS: *shrug* he just has his pc, and another pc both have linux.. his is Sarge, the other is Sid.. they both had windows hds added, he just needs a rundown on how to go about setting up a bootloader. He has d-i rc2, I just dont know how to specify stuff with the devfs and such on d-i to help him. |
| 08:28.50 | xtapo | wobbler: I never had anything in that directory though. And it didn't work when my DVD drive worked (it's broken now, because of HAL) |
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| 08:29.05 | peterS | nvz: yeah, the devfs thing is a problem. for the purpose of disks: hda1 == /dev/discs/disc0/part1, etc. though honestly, tab completion is where it's at, with devfs |
| 08:29.27 | simonrvn | and d-i's ash shell does tab completion (VT 2) |
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| 08:29.35 | nvz | peterS: well it makes it hard for me to help someone when I dont know whats going on |
| 08:29.39 | wobbler | xtapo well maybe thats the problem it seems to think its seeing the cdrom |
| 08:29.48 | nvz | I didnt even know you could tab-complete on d-i |
| 08:29.49 | simonrvn | (or is it dash...) |
| 08:29.58 | nvz | the old installer didnt have tab-complete |
| 08:30.11 | simonrvn | didn't have shell history either |
| 08:30.13 | peterS | nvz: oh, that's a good point too. I *think* the shell in d-i lets you tab-complete, but I'm not sure |
| 08:30.23 | simonrvn | it does, i just said that |
| 08:30.27 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:31.02 | nvz | because a chroot rescue of a bootloader is standard proceedure.. its pretty much a cakewalk |
| 08:31.19 | starfish | i just have the windows drive out of my pc till we figure it out |
| 08:31.26 | Columbo0815 | hi, is debconf in sid (tonights version)broken? |
| 08:31.40 | simonrvn | BTS |
| 08:31.43 | nvz | starfish: is windows installed again on your windows hd? |
| 08:31.50 | starfish | yes |
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| 08:31.56 | peterS | simonrvn: oh, hi there. I'm mainly responding to nick highlights here, I wasn't reading the whole convo (I was actually getting myself a glass of tomato juice, see) |
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| 08:32.19 | simonrvn | peterS: vit. C, good enough ;) |
| 08:32.20 | Columbo0815 | bts? |
| 08:32.22 | xtapo | Don't worry. I'm back. |
| 08:32.28 | simonrvn | @bts |
| 08:32.30 | ravenbird | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename . Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 08:32.33 | starfish | i ran kill disk to insure the virus was gone and reinstalled windows today earlier |
| 08:32.43 | simonrvn | @shoot Columbo0815 |
| 08:32.47 | nvz | the problem here is that linux on both these machines was setup as hda, and windows on these machines was also setup as hda, so they both are configured as master drives, now one has to be reconfigured |
| 08:32.49 | peterS | simonrvn: between the apples, grapefruit, apple juice, and tomato juice I ingest, I should be pretty good on Vitamin C, yeah |
| 08:32.56 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:33.17 | starfish | scot |
| 08:33.24 | Columbo0815 | i cant follow you :) |
| 08:33.30 | panda | are there any tools which can strip voices out of mp3 music ? |
| 08:33.32 | nvz | his pc windows crashed, and he installed sarge a few days ago, then apperently installed windows today without the linux drive plugged in |
| 08:33.34 | starfish | i had an apiphany just now |
| 08:33.40 | peterS | SCOT? is that like SCOX? |
| 08:33.41 | Columbo0815 | ok, i can follow you |
| 08:33.50 | xtapo | panda: There is a no voices plugin that comes with XMMS. |
| 08:33.56 | Columbo0815 | in bugs.debian.org i have already looked |
| 08:34.07 | nvz | peterS: thats my cousin who can't spell my name. And also must think I go on a first name basis around here |
| 08:34.09 | panda | xtapo, tell me more |
| 08:34.38 | xtapo | panda: Well, you enable it, it takes out the voices from the music you're playing. That's about it. |
| 08:34.39 | starfish | i still have the windows cd so lets just reinstall as slave? does that work easier? |
| 08:34.40 | peterS | nvz: ahhh. I totally didn't pick up on that. I also didn't know you were named after the stock ticker symbol SCOX |
| 08:34.58 | starfish | lmao |
| 08:35.09 | nvz | peterS: I am named after Conway Twitty "Watching Scotty Grow" fyi |
| 08:35.17 | starfish | lol |
| 08:35.26 | peterS | nvz: oh, ok. I don't know any conway twitty songs, so that's ok |
| 08:35.26 | panda | xtapo, on xmms has this plugin? what about mplayer or realplay |
| 08:35.36 | peterS | nvz: I always figured your first name was En |
| 08:35.36 | starfish | that song cracks me up |
| 08:35.39 | nvz | peterS: you arent missing much. |
| 08:35.45 | panda | xtapo, that no voice plugin is just what i need |
| 08:35.57 | starfish | nvz would that work |
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| 08:36.18 | peterS | starfish: just telling your bios to boot the second drive instead of the first should get you into Debian. try that. |
| 08:36.33 | xtapo | panda: There's probably one for realplayer or mplayer, but all I know is that there is one with XMMS I used to play around with. |
| 08:36.35 | peterS | starfish: as nvz said, once you're in Debian, the rest is fixable |
| 08:36.46 | nvz | starfish: I don't know if windows can be install on a slave over an existing linux install. |
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| 08:37.02 | nvz | starfish: this is why I always did windows first. |
| 08:37.25 | peterS | nvz: windows can be installed on a slave drive but it requires boot loader tricks to make the windows boot loader believe it's on the first drive |
| 08:37.33 | starfish | shit |
| 08:37.53 | starfish | i now know something fo future reference |
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| 08:38.12 | starfish | mmm |
| 08:38.15 | nvz | peterS: yeah I think he needs to possibly hook up the windows master, and the linux slave, and tell the bios to boot the slave, so we can adjust fstab and reinstall the bootloader in place of the windows MBR |
| 08:38.46 | peterS | nvz: that, or just permanently tell the bios to boot the linux drive, and tell grub to chain-boot the windows drive. and not touch the windows drive at all. |
| 08:38.49 | starfish | nvz do you want me to call ya? |
| 08:38.52 | nvz | peterS: er well will booting slave from BIOS allow debian to boot, when it thinks its on hda? |
| 08:39.17 | nvz | starfish: not really, I am not lonely or anything.. heh but whatever pulls your wagon |
| 08:39.26 | peterS | nvz: recent versions of lilo and grub both know what physical drive they were installed on, and don't get confused by you moving them around after the fact |
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| 08:39.52 | nvz | peterS: I am thinking more about fstab |
| 08:40.20 | nvz | peterS: he installed sarge to hda, its not hdb, so fstab would be wrong if the bios didnt trick it into being hda |
| 08:40.25 | peterS | nvz: well, yeah, there is that. anyway, though, if you install grub on hda but later move that drive to hdb, it'll still boot. until the init scripts try to fsck the root partition. |
| 08:40.47 | peterS | nvz: *that* can be fixed by booting with 'rw init=/bin/bash' and editing fstab |
| 08:40.50 | nvz | peterS: Linux Single? |
| 08:40.53 | nvz | oh |
| 08:41.01 | peterS | or linux single, probably |
| 08:41.04 | Columbo0815 | ok, it is broken :) in incoming are already the fixed packages |
| 08:41.14 | nvz | well bypassing init sounds better |
| 08:41.34 | peterS | the 'rw' is to save you the trouble of 'mount -o remount,rw /' |
| 08:41.42 | peterS | before the 'vi /etc/fstab' |
| 08:42.27 | nvz | not all yinzers are that ig'nernt, peterS |
| 08:42.30 | nvz | I understand |
| 08:42.53 | peterS | nvz: you know, I didn't even know the term 'yinzer' until your smite last week |
| 08:43.24 | starfish | i only have 3 smokes left so if where gonna do somethin we better do it soon |
| 08:43.44 | nvz | peterS: yinz don't say 'yinz' where you come from? |
| 08:43.48 | peterS | starfish: have you got the machine booted into Debian? if not, do that |
| 08:43.57 | peterS | nvz: I've never heard 'yinz' |
| 08:44.02 | fooz | wtf is yinzer? |
| 08:44.02 | starfish | chads? |
| 08:44.17 | peterS | fooz: as nvz puts it, someone from picksburgh |
| 08:44.21 | starfish | yinz in pixburgh...lol |
| 08:44.50 | nvz | http://www.pittsburghese.com |
| 08:44.54 | _joey | are there any docs explaing how to install sun's java on debian>? |
| 08:44.57 | fooz | i know a bunch of people from pixburg, never heard of that |
| 08:45.06 | nvz | learn to speak the language :) |
| 08:45.18 | starfish | nvz chads? |
| 08:45.27 | mosty | joey: which debian release? |
| 08:45.37 | _joey | mosty woody |
| 08:45.40 | nvz | fooz: from dahntahn picksburgh? and they don't talk like yinzers? |
| 08:46.15 | _joey | mosty do I have to download java which has been compiled with correct gcc version? |
| 08:46.35 | mosty | joey: download the .bin from java.sun.com, mkdir /usr/local/java , and run "sh /path/to/the/java.bin" from inside that directory (as a user with permission to write to that dir). then add /usr/local/java/bin to your PATH variable |
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| 08:47.09 | _joey | I 've heard there's script in cache to help you to install java |
| 08:47.30 | mosty | joey: that's called java-package, but it's not in woody |
| 08:48.11 | nvz | we are talking Picksburgh, PA home of da stillers... where you should be hearing a bunch of yinzers in bars singing the "Picksburgh stillers are gowen to da super bowl" song, but they lost the most important game all year |
| 08:48.13 | _joey | I see |
| 08:48.17 | fooz | from reading this site, it's not really any kind of dialect at all.. it's just a funny accent |
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| 08:49.53 | peterS | fooz: the only point of confusion is labeling an accent with a label that makes it sound like a dialect |
| 08:49.55 | nvz | do you do anything special to type bootparams at grub? like how does he go about typing init= and stuff at grub? |
| 08:50.16 | panda | xtapo, what's the plugin package name? |
| 08:50.27 | fooz | nvz, on the kernel line (for linux kernels) |
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| 08:50.38 | peterS | nvz: hmmm. I'm not a grub power user (I only use it on systems I've installed with d-i), but I think it's like lilo in that you type the label of the kernel you want, then the options |
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| 08:51.09 | fooz | nvz, or rather, you give arguments on whatever line has the file that will take the arguments.. for a multiboot compatible linux kernel built as a Xen image, you'd put it on the module line specifying the xenolinux image |
| 08:51.30 | _joey | peterS I've got sarge iso burnt on cd , snapshot from 31st. it fails with error message it can't find media partions, messages log shows it's trying to mount volumes. Do you know how to get around this problme? |
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| 08:51.44 | _joey | I know there's no problem with woody and potato installers |
| 08:51.48 | _joey | on this hardware |
| 08:51.49 | manuc66 | hi |
| 08:52.25 | alejandro_ | !tell alejandro_ about paste |
| 08:52.28 | peterS | fooz: the question is how to do it manually at boot time, not what to put in menu.lst |
| 08:53.04 | nvz | I dont know anything about grub.. does it just have a command line like lilo already showing? I never noticed when I used d-i seemed like all there was is a menu |
| 08:53.09 | fooz | peterS, if you're in a menu, it says right on screen what to push |
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| 08:53.20 | manuc66 | I'd like to know it there is a shell command to open afile with defaut kde/gnome association program, like open for mac and start for windows. Thanks |
| 08:53.21 | fooz | peterS, if you're not in a menu, but at a command line, you type lines exactly as you would in menu.lst |
| 08:53.30 | peterS | fooz: multiple levels of indirection here. starfish is asking nvz who's asking me who's asking you (: |
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| 08:53.36 | fooz | nvz, it does if you configure it as such |
| 08:53.52 | fooz | heh |
| 08:53.54 | nvz | well thats the whole problem here we are trying to get in to configure it |
| 08:54.22 | fooz | starfish, if you have a menu up, it says right on the screen. if you have a command line (you didn't configure grub yet) it'll say what you're allowed to type, and what you should type to get help.. |
| 08:54.26 | fooz | not very hard |
| 08:54.43 | nvz | I dont think he's here |
| 08:54.58 | fooz | yes e is |
| 08:55.11 | nvz | oh I guess he's online in another pc |
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| 08:55.26 | nvz | I am on the phone with him, and he's rebooting his pc |
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| 08:55.38 | fooz | heh |
| 08:55.48 | fooz | anyway, pick a menu item (if in the menu) and hit 'e' |
| 08:56.02 | fooz | it shows the lines that belong to that menu item. move to one and hit 'e' to edit it |
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| 08:56.17 | nvz | yeah thats what I didnt know. |
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| 08:56.41 | nvz | I need to learn how someo of this crap works |
| 08:57.03 | nvz | I dont even care, but its getting hard to support debian with the installer using a bunch of crap like devfs |
| 08:57.08 | nvz | and I dont understand it |
| 08:57.32 | simonrvn | don't feel bad, 2.6 ones use crap like udev ;) |
| 08:57.38 | fooz | udev isn't crap |
| 08:57.40 | peterS | nvz: d-i will migrate away from devfs post-sarge. it can't now because that'd be a big change |
| 08:57.48 | karsten | nvz: It doesn't ;-) |
| 08:57.54 | simonrvn | yes it is. useless for some machines |
| 08:58.10 | fooz | so's X or the Linux Kernel |
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| 08:58.38 | dnb | hi.. are there any software like GoBack or DeepFreeze for linux ? |
| 08:58.39 | nvz | karsten: d-i rc2 uses devfs. |
| 08:58.54 | fooz | linux doesn't really work on a Compaq Aero 1520 :) |
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| 08:59.49 | peterS | Cabbage: nice nick change |
| 08:59.54 | peterS | dnb: what do those packages do? |
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| 09:00.38 | Maxzorin123 | hello |
| 09:00.56 | Supaplex | dnb: mmm backuppc, mondo, or my personal favorite, dd and a spare drive of identical size. =) |
| 09:02.00 | fooz | i was told to take a look at udev bugs before for reasons why it sucks, but i don't even see anything wrong with udev itself |
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| 09:02.21 | fooz | just some whiners who don't load drivers X needs before starting X |
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| 09:02.58 | Supaplex | fooz: now you know, try it and see etc |
| 09:03.15 | fooz | Supaplex, i've used it. it works fine here |
| 09:03.19 | peterS | fooz: demand loading of drivers from /dev entries would be possible if udev implemented an autofs daemon. however, it doesn't |
| 09:03.24 | amyb | how can I tell if a module is currently running? |
| 09:03.29 | peterS | amyb: lsmod |
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| 09:04.19 | fooz | hmm. i always hated demand loading of modules |
| 09:04.35 | fooz | maybe that's why i have no problems :) |
| 09:04.51 | amyb | anyone have any experience in gettin the nvidia drivers to work under sarge? I installed then and everything went fine. edited XFree86Config-4 as instructed, but when kde starts it doesn't update the screen correctly. showing parts of windows only. |
| 09:05.17 | amyb | there's no big glaring errors in the log file. |
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| 09:12.55 | Garp | Hi. |
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| 09:13.05 | peterS | silence stretches on / channel debian asleep? / no, it seems, just slow |
| 09:13.17 | peterS | (this channel silence haiku brought to you by the SPI) |
| 09:13.49 | alejandro_ | I'm starting to hate apache2+php :( |
| 09:14.23 | peterS | alejandro_: php in particular is a valid target for hate |
| 09:14.28 | Garp | Question: (debian unstable kernel 2.6.8-2-k7) : At boot time I can see "kernel: hdc: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1912, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive", but after boot I dont have any /dev/hdc. So no access to the cdrom, any suggestion ? Thanks. |
| 09:14.35 | alejandro_ | peterS, hehe |
| 09:15.18 | alejandro_ | the weird thing, is that with apache, it works ok, at first time, but with apache2, it just doesn't even load anything |
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| 09:16.13 | fooz | Garp, are you using devfs or udev? |
| 09:16.14 | Oryn | Garp: sounds like you are running ide-scsi, try /dev/scd0 |
| 09:16.32 | Garp | fooz: I dont know. How can I check ? |
| 09:16.46 | Garp | Oryn : hum, good idea, I see |
| 09:16.53 | fooz | hrmm what's the magic devfs file? /dev/.devfs or /dev/.devfsd? |
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| 09:17.11 | Oryn | fooz: the first one I think |
| 09:17.18 | fooz | Oryn, well, see if either of those exist |
| 09:17.21 | fooz | err |
| 09:17.28 | Garp | Oryn: No /dev/scd* either :( |
| 09:17.28 | mightyflorist | what do I need to change in my sources.list to use apt-get to upgrade from woody to sarge? |
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| 09:17.37 | fooz | Garp, see if either of those exist |
| 09:18.00 | Garp | fooz : .udev.tdb and .udevdb exists |
| 09:18.14 | fooz | ok, then you're running udev :) |
| 09:18.25 | Garp | mightyflorist : there is a complete instruction in the debian guide... |
| 09:18.34 | fooz | Garp, try loading the module ide-cd |
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| 09:18.48 | Garp | module loaded |
| 09:18.59 | fooz | Garp, hopefully /dev/hdc and /dev/cdrom* are there now |
| 09:19.02 | Garp | fooz: great ! |
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| 09:19.12 | fooz | Garp, if it worked, add ide-cd to /etc/modules |
| 09:19.15 | Garp | fooz: right :) Thank you very much |
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| 09:19.49 | Garp | mightyflorist: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html |
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| 09:19.58 | mightyflorist | garp: thanks |
| 09:20.33 | Garp | mightyflorist: thanks fooz :) He helped me, so I feel helping others ;=) |
| 09:21.22 | martinix | has anyone an idea why my key-repetition is something about one char/sec after an emerge --update world? |
| 09:21.38 | peterS | martinix: no, debian doesn't have an 'emerge' command |
| 09:21.44 | peterS | martinix: so I doubt we have any idea here |
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| 09:22.06 | martinix | peterS: sry... wrong panel ;-) |
| 09:22.10 | peterS | heh |
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| 09:22.38 | martinix | peterS: but anyway... shouldnt there be an general way to set up the key-rep? |
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| 09:23.33 | peterS | martinix: 'kbd_mode' or 'xset', I think, depending on whether you're talking about the linux text console or an X session |
| 09:24.37 | peterS | martinix: wait, I'm sorry. 'kbdrate' if you are not in X |
| 09:24.42 | martinix | peters: its generally slow... but i noticed that its faster in certain x-terms |
| 09:25.40 | peterS | martinix: weird - I thought xset had keyboard rate controls but I'm not seeing them. maybe 'kbdrate' would work even in X |
| 09:25.41 | martinix | peters: tnx... ill check this out |
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| 09:26.07 | peterS | martinix: ahh, wait, yes, xset has 'xset r'. |
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| 09:26.40 | mightyflorist | how would one tell whether one was using woody or sarge? |
| 09:27.16 | martinix | 'xset r' no changeing behaviour |
| 09:27.46 | Garp | mightyflorist: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 09:31.28 | mightyflorist | garp: thanks again |
| 09:31.39 | amyb | is there a key combo in xwindows to force a refresh of the screen? |
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| 09:33.46 | valdyn | amyb: thats not possible |
| 09:33.55 | Garp | I do have to go. |
| 09:33.59 | Garp | see ya everybody |
| 09:34.00 | varvi | Is there a good backend for powerdns (webbased) |
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| 09:35.23 | valdyn | amyb: iirc applications have to refresh themselves, so X cannot do that -> theres no key |
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| 09:37.10 | juhov | amyb: man xrefresh, see if it does what you need. then you could use xbindkeys or something to bind it to a key |
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| 09:39.10 | mightyflorist | switching to the window manager terminal(? ctrl-alt-f7) after being in a command line terminal(? alt-f2, alt-f3 etc) takes upwards of 3 minutes before the window manager ... thingy is responsive. Is that normal, and if not, how to go about fixing that? |
| 09:39.23 | valdyn | juhov: interesting hack ( looking at the manpage ). Is that tool ever needed though? |
| 09:40.21 | juhov | valdyn: no idea :) |
| 09:41.38 | varvi | Is there a good backend for powerdns (webbased) |
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| 09:42.19 | mclamb | does anyone know whats happening with google pagerank? |
| 09:43.04 | mclamb | its crazy |
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| 09:44.20 | Nick_1984 | hello all |
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| 09:44.28 | mclamb | hi |
| 09:44.56 | war- | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.21 | drac | varvi: your nick means "quick ones" in finnish, pretty nasty.. |
| 09:45.57 | valdyn | mclamb: example? whats crazy about it? |
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| 09:46.35 | varvi | drac: hehe okay ;) |
| 09:46.39 | mclamb | my site gets mabye 2 visitors a day, use to have pr 3, now has pagerank 8, and a future prediction tool said next it should have 10 |
| 09:47.06 | Nick_1984 | I've got a cedega emulator. In a help file is mentioned, that i need to disable PRELINK and KERNEL_EXEC_SHIELD. I have a Debian Sarge with 2.6.8-1-686-smp kernel. How should i do this? The command prelink -ua is not working (no such file) |
| 09:47.24 | mclamb | and theres no sites linking to it |
| 09:47.26 | varvi | anyon know anything about powerdns? |
| 09:47.33 | valdyn | Nick_1984: that means you do not have prelink installed, all is good then |
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| 09:48.14 | Nick_1984 | so i should install it? Would u be so kind to tell which package is it located? |
| 09:48.14 | valdyn | Nick_1984: likely the same for KERNEL_EXEC_SHIELD, default debian doesnt have it |
| 09:48.27 | valdyn | Nick_1984: no you should not install it |
| 09:48.53 | valdyn | Nick_1984: that command is to undo prelinking, you never prelinked, so its fine |
| 09:48.59 | Nick_1984 | aha, so these are features that are not currently active, am i right? |
| 09:49.15 | valdyn | Nick_1984: ya |
| 09:49.17 | alejandro_ | if you go to http://ale.servepics.com/phpinfo2.php you will see the php-info, but is you go to http://ale.servepics.com/ you don't see anything (and yes, there a index.php file) |
| 09:49.22 | Nick_1984 | thanx a lot. |
| 09:49.23 | chugga | is there a good dydns service for us linux users |
| 09:49.35 | valdyn | Nick_1984: now you just miss to enable old memory layout, if you havent done that |
| 09:49.39 | alejandro_ | wtf? :( |
| 09:49.50 | uruboro | chugga sure try no-ip.com they have a client for linux |
| 09:49.53 | varvi | Anybody know a good dns server which have a webbased backend? |
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| 09:50.21 | valdyn | varvi: you mean frontend |
| 09:50.29 | chugga | uruboro, something i can apt-get? |
| 09:50.37 | uruboro | varvi i'd try something supported by webmin |
| 09:50.57 | varvi | valdyn: ye sorry |
| 09:51.05 | juhov | chugga: yes. apt-cache search dyndns |
| 09:51.07 | si|vercat | after doing some upgrades and stuff, I got an error with my nvidia-kernel-version stuff :) |
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| 09:51.19 | Nick_1984 | valdyn: sorry, im not a power-user ;) how should i do that? |
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| 09:51.31 | uruboro | chugga the dynamic update client doesnt' come packaged as deb but i installed it with no problem on a powerpc so i guess it's portable enough |
| 09:51.36 | chugga | juhov, cheers. i found no-ip pakage |
| 09:51.45 | valdyn | Nick_1984: no need to be poweruser, its in the cedega howto. |
| 09:51.54 | mclamb | valdyn: do you think someone just goofed when updating the pagerank formula or something |
| 09:52.05 | uruboro | chugga oh nice to know |
| 09:52.05 | varvi | valdyn: do you know anything? |
| 09:52.13 | valdyn | mclamb: no idea |
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| 09:52.36 | valdyn | varvi: nope. |
| 09:53.20 | valdyn | Nick_1984: i was just pointing you to that, because i kept forgetting that one and kept wondering wtf nothing worked ) |
| 09:53.31 | chugga | uruboro yes::) |
| 09:54.21 | valdyn | si|vercat: details.. |
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| 09:54.42 | Nick_1984 | may i ask you where this is located? i've not found it in howto how is it exactly called? |
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| 09:55.20 | valdyn | Nick_1984: edit /etc/syslog.conf. Add a line: vm.legacy_va_layout = 1 |
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| 09:56.05 | juhov | valdyn: you probably mean sysctl.conf? |
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| 09:56.21 | valdyn | NickB: aww, /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 09:56.34 | valdyn | juhov: yea, damn tab-completion |
| 09:56.50 | Nick_1984 | done already. then "sysctl -p" and the result is: error: 'vm.legacy_va_layout' is an unknown key |
| 09:57.21 | si|vercat | valdyn, I think I fixed it.. :P |
| 09:57.37 | si|vercat | brb |
| 09:57.46 | valdyn | Nick_1984: oh, guess you don't need it prior to 2.6.9 then |
| 09:58.22 | sorahn | i just installed the 2.6.8 kernel and compiled it and what not. everything went fine but when i boot i get an error. "VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel Panic: VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 09:58.49 | Nick_1984 | valdyn, i've found that the error i recieve 0x800401fe is caused by prelink. |
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| 09:59.07 | xogon | anyone had grub-install freeze? |
| 09:59.13 | valdyn | Nick_1984: that would mean that you once used prelink |
| 09:59.39 | valdyn | Nick_1984: apt-get install prelink && prelink -ua && apt-get remove prelink |
| 09:59.40 | anibal | !find debdiff |
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| 09:59.54 | paulswm | sorahn: did you compile in supprt for your root filesystem |
| 09:59.55 | xogon | sorahn: the root= entry in lilo.conf or menu.lst is pointing to the wrong place |
| 09:59.59 | uruboro | sorahn are you sure that the .config you used was "consistent", that is, had the correct things for booting compiled in and not as modules? |
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| 10:00.12 | sorahn | yea, im pretty sure |
| 10:00.20 | xogon | sorahn: or what paulswm says |
| 10:00.29 | sorahn | its using grub also |
| 10:00.30 | uruboro | sorahn, or what paulswm says ;) |
| 10:00.39 | sorahn | yes, i compiled in support for ext3 |
| 10:00.57 | valdyn | sorahn: you need to compile into your kernel support for you root file system, support for you /boot filesystem if thats on another partition and support for you disk interface |
| 10:00.57 | paulswm | or what uruboro and xogon say :D |
| 10:00.58 | si|vercat | doh. Didn't fix it. I get this API mismatch thing with the NVIDIA X module version being newer than the kernel-module.. |
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| 10:01.05 | si|vercat | I've used the module-assistant-way |
| 10:01.21 | uruboro | paulswm, recursion without an end is not a good thing, i was taught |
| 10:01.26 | uruboro | paulswm, ;) |
| 10:01.28 | valdyn | si|vercat: what kernel? |
| 10:01.34 | sorahn | its the same drive/partition/filesystem |
| 10:01.39 | si|vercat | stock 2.6.8-1-k7 |
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| 10:02.04 | sorahn | im going to check again on the ext3 support, but i am pretty sure i checked it |
| 10:02.54 | paulswm | sorahn: the message indeicates that the kernel can't reconginze the filsystem. If you didn't create an initrd, the support for your filesystem type has to be compiled in (not as a module), check your config |
| 10:03.08 | valdyn | sorahn: if you have multiple disk interfaces then it is possible that you are reversing their order by loading drivers in a different order than default debian kernels do |
| 10:03.14 | sorahn | thats what im doing now |
| 10:03.21 | sorahn | and i only have one HD |
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| 10:04.13 | Nick_1984 | valdyn, done but i recieve the same error |
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| 10:05.38 | sorahn | Ext3 journaling was set as a module, but POSIX and extended attributes was compiled in |
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| 10:06.57 | Nick_1984 | valdyn, the installation gave the following: /usr/sbin/prelink.bin: /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/winex/bin/wine: Could not find one of the dependencies |
| 10:07.08 | sorahn | does Ext3 Security need to be compiled in? |
| 10:08.14 | valdyn | Nick_1984: try if a different game works |
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| 10:08.55 | valdyn | Nick_1984: have you not used a wine deb? |
| 10:09.01 | valdyn | Nick_1984: have you not used a cedega deb? |
| 10:09.16 | sky0 | Is there more documentation on dh_make/dpkg-source/...? Trying to create a library package, but the generated debs only contain /usr/share/doc; I have read the maintainer faq, but it doesn't help very much. |
| 10:09.40 | Nick_1984 | valdyn, no i used .tar.gz |
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| 10:09.59 | valdyn | NickB: use a deb, cedega depends on a few things too |
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| 10:11.03 | varvi | Anybody know a good dns server which have a webbased frontned? |
| 10:11.13 | valdyn | Nick_1984: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libjpeg62, xlibmesa3 | libgl1, xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), libpng3, zlib1g |
| 10:12.09 | Growly | Anyone here have experience with SATA in Debian? |
| 10:12.13 | toresbe | ARGH THIS IS THE LAST TIME I WRESTLE WITH APT-PROXY |
| 10:12.21 | toresbe | *strangle* *hate* |
| 10:13.00 | toresbe | it's been chewing up disk space without cleaning at the bloody intervals |
| 10:13.19 | toresbe | i finally purged the POS - freed up 3 GB on an 18GB drive |
| 10:13.31 | amyb | I installed the nvidia drivers from their website and followed the directions. no error messages received. but when I start xwindows, it doesn't update the contents of windows properly. there's no errors in the Xfree86 log, only this warning: (WW) System lacks support for changing MTRRs . any ideas? there's nothing in the nvidia documentation or forums. |
| 10:13.35 | valdyn | Growly: i know this question.. its specific to your controller..not a "sata" question in itself, disable raid in the firmware or somesuch |
| 10:14.17 | xogon | the debian grub menu.lst file has "default grub root device" then lists "e.g. groot=(hd0,0)" and "groot=(hd0,1)" that seems wrong |
| 10:14.31 | ooev | gmail is public avail now. |
| 10:14.42 | xogon | hd0,0 would be a boot device, not a root device, would it not? |
| 10:14.56 | Nick_1984 | valdyn, thank u will see what do i have installed |
| 10:15.38 | valdyn | xogon: that's grub naming for your primary master on your first ide interface |
| 10:15.59 | valdyn | xogon: err, and first primary partition on that one |
| 10:16.19 | xogon | valdyn: 0,0 is partition 1 on primary master ide, first ide channel? |
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| 10:16.25 | valdyn | xogon: yea, exactly |
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| 10:17.18 | valdyn | xogon: it is also whichever disk grub loaded from |
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| 10:17.22 | Nick_1984 | valdyn, thanx a lot, i've installed deps and it launched!! |
| 10:17.51 | valdyn | xogon: err, hichever _harddisk_ grub loaded from |
| 10:18.22 | xogon | valdyn: grub-install froze my system yesterday installing debian |
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| 10:18.45 | xogon | i had to temporarily install lilo and am about to try again |
| 10:19.07 | valdyn | amyb: are you using a custom compiled kernel? |
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| 10:20.32 | xogon | preparing for the worst here... |
| 10:20.54 | Sam57510 | slt |
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| 10:21.18 | valdyn | xogon: no idea really, grub should never do that. You may want to make your bios settings be identical with your physical hardware ( boot device = first physical disk on first physical interface ). That's generally a good thing, but uh, grub shouldn't freeze your system ever, naturally. |
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| 10:22.24 | toresbe | xogon: How long did you wait before you pronounced it frozen? |
| 10:22.37 | toresbe | uh, yeah |
| 10:22.44 | toresbe | not the patient kind of guy :P |
| 10:22.48 | valdyn | poof |
| 10:23.02 | Sam57510 | il y a quelqu'un qui parle français |
| 10:23.09 | valdyn | !french |
| 10:23.09 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
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| 10:25.13 | rhalff | hi any idea how I can prevent midnight commander to show the user menu on startup ? |
| 10:25.32 | bbrazil | rhalff: its an option, look for it and save settings |
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| 10:25.56 | rhalff | hmm.. it's allready bugging me for months, is it really in the setting ? :) |
| 10:26.25 | bbrazil | rhalff: yes, bugged me too. as a matter of interest - did it start after a woody->sarge |
| 10:26.51 | rhalff | dunno, it just happend :) on several installs. |
| 10:27.07 | rhalff | ah it's the option automenus |
| 10:27.09 | si|vercat | whats the difference between nvclock gtk and qt? |
| 10:28.02 | dud | is there a way i could connect from my amd64 pc to another i386 pc on my lan, in a way that i can view mplayer on my amd64being played natively on the i386 computer? |
| 10:28.12 | dud | if that make sense? through x or such...? |
| 10:28.59 | rhalff | bbrazil, do you also have an idea on how I can stay in the current dir when I leave mc ? |
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| 10:29.31 | valdyn | dud: sure you can |
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| 10:29.45 | valdyn | dud: if it makes sense is a different question though.. |
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| 10:30.13 | valdyn | !ssh x |
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| 10:30.18 | si|vercat | how do I enable fast writes to nvidia? |
| 10:30.37 | Doat_ | i need to get "libpam.so.0" to run enemy territory. how do i install pam? apt-get install pam doesnt work |
| 10:31.02 | valdyn | si|vercat: si|vercat you dont |
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| 10:32.21 | Doat_ | nvm problem solved |
| 10:32.58 | valdyn | si|vercat: its not stable, so disabled for a purpose |
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| 10:33.34 | si|vercat | I see. |
| 10:33.35 | si|vercat | :) |
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| 10:35.19 | Quag7 | Hi - yesterday I took my old woody box and dist-upgraded to testing. I was unable to get Gnome to work - I'd see the Debian spashscreen when I ran startx, but it would just freeze there. Today I wiped the system (for other reasons) and installed Sarge from the installer CD...I'm getting the exact same problem now. I can find no useful error messages at all, in .xsession-errors or otherwise. Anyone seen this before? |
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| 10:36.36 | si|vercat | I guess fast writes is unnecessary when glxgears runs at 7800 fps.. |
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| 10:36.59 | toresbe | si|vercat: glxgears, repeat after me, glxgears is not a benchmark |
| 10:37.24 | valdyn | si|vercat: 3 D apps hardly ever even need 8x agp |
| 10:38.12 | Doat_ | i need libpam.so.0. where do i get it? |
| 10:38.17 | si|vercat | toresbe, well it gives you an idea if the settings are right.. |
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| 10:38.27 | toresbe | si|vercat: semitrue |
| 10:38.28 | sky0 | toresbe: sure it is; using "glxinfo | grep DRI" is just another way to determine the same information; thus it is not a *good* benchmark |
| 10:38.33 | valdyn | si|vercat: in other words, agp bus speed isnt the bottleneck |
| 10:38.33 | mosty | doat: use the search engine on the "packages" page on the debian website |
| 10:38.43 | Doat_ | ok thanks |
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| 10:39.59 | si|vercat | valdyn, I did not know that :P |
| 10:40.02 | si|vercat | thanks |
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| 10:42.14 | Doat_ | mosty: i got like 20 results. |
| 10:42.24 | tarzeau | peterS: there? |
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| 10:42.28 | Doat_ | mosty: already tried installing libpam-dev but it didnt work |
| 10:42.41 | Doat_ | i mean it didnt install libpam.so.0 |
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| 10:43.14 | mosty | doat: what debian release are you using? |
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| 10:43.21 | jono | hi all |
| 10:43.32 | Doat_ | mosty: sarge |
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| 10:44.14 | mosty | which search engine did you use? the "search contents of packages" one? |
| 10:44.34 | jono | I am in dire need of help - we are running Debian Stable on a UML machine, and we are using Apache 1.3.26 - the problem we have is that when Apache is started, it seems to spawn a number of 'sh <defunct>' processes and the server is totally unresponsive; can anyone suggest a solution to this? |
| 10:44.37 | Doat_ | all of them.. |
| 10:44.45 | Doat_ | libpam.so.0 didnt give anything |
| 10:44.49 | Doat_ | libpam gave 20 |
| 10:44.57 | kasey70 | holas |
| 10:44.58 | mosty | you're doing something wrong then |
| 10:45.11 | mosty | doat: did you tell it to only look in testing? |
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| 10:46.18 | jono | anyone, please? |
| 10:46.25 | Doat_ | mosty: no |
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| 10:46.34 | mosty | doat: well do that |
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| 10:47.11 | Doat_ | i found that pam-0.78-4.i386.rpm includes that file |
| 10:47.12 | cyberyo_ | io ! |
| 10:47.16 | Doat_ | but now i cant install that rpm |
| 10:47.29 | Doat_ | i tried alien -i <rpm file> but got a bunch of errors |
| 10:47.50 | cse` | hey all. I'm having trouble booting up. I have a P4C800-E (intel 875) and I am using a SATA disk to boot off of. What type of drive letter should I expect? right now its /dev/hdg.. but i get a kernel panic about root= when i try to boot. I tried hda, hde, hdc, hde, hdg, hdh |
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| 10:48.07 | nixbox | how can i check which actual command is being executed, for example, i have tcl installed in /usr/local and i have also got a binary with a program, how do i check which one the shell runs by default _without_checking_ the PATH environment variable |
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| 10:48.26 | cse` | I tried reading it off of the boot process, but it switches too fast |
| 10:48.43 | Nic | cse`: not sda? |
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| 10:49.10 | Nic | its sda there with a 2.6 kernel |
| 10:50.03 | jono | I cant figure this out |
| 10:50.09 | cse` | Nic, didn't try that |
| 10:50.13 | cse` | will try that |
| 10:50.24 | cse` | so sda[partition #?] |
| 10:51.15 | cse` | will try that. thanks Nic! brb |
| 10:52.42 | paulswm | nixbox: 'which <command>' |
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| 10:53.58 | Doat_ | i cant install a rpm package. i used "alien -i <rpm file>" and i got dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Katkennut putki) |
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| 10:55.40 | drac | what .rpm are you trying to install? and why? what are you trying to do? |
| 10:56.07 | Doat_ | pam-0.78-4.i386.rpm to get libpam.so.0 which is needed for enemy territory |
| 10:56.14 | paulswm | jono: Did this just start happening, did anything get changed prior to it happening, i.e. usual sort of backtracking stuff |
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| 10:56.24 | cse` | Nic, sda didn't work :/ |
| 10:56.35 | cse` | /dev/sda4 to be exact |
| 10:56.38 | drac | Doat_: you don't need any .rpm's to get enemy territory working. apt-get install libpam0g |
| 10:56.43 | cse` | since its set to hdg4 right now |
| 10:57.02 | Doat_ | drac: ok thanks |
| 10:57.30 | Nic | cse`: sorry |
| 10:57.41 | cse` | Nic, that's alright.. any other ideas? |
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| 10:57.58 | Doat_ | drac: libpam0g is already the newest version. |
| 10:57.58 | Nic | cse`: are u sure it's the problem? |
| 10:58.00 | Doat_ | su: error while loading shared libraries: libpam.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 10:58.06 | cse` | I see a ICH5 blob |
| 10:58.12 | cse` | so i think the controller is loaded |
| 10:58.15 | Zenethian | Why do I get this during an apt-get install operation? "Install these packages without verification? [y/N] y" |
| 10:58.25 | Nic | cse`: hmm I believe I couldnt boot the debian binary kernel neither. I use a custom one |
| 10:58.33 | Nic | ha |
| 10:58.35 | cse` | I just compiled this one |
| 10:58.40 | Nic | ha ok |
| 10:58.50 | Nic | sorry |
| 10:58.56 | Nic | I've to go. good luck |
| 10:59.04 | cse` | np, bye |
| 10:59.08 | drac | Doat_: libpam.so.0 is in libpam0g package. i'm not sure what you have messed up, but i'm damn sure you don't need any .rpm's to play the game. |
| 10:59.21 | drac | Doat_: you'll prolly just brake whole system with the rpm. |
| 10:59.32 | Doat_ | im trying to set up a dedicated et server on my debian box |
| 10:59.45 | Doat_ | im using http://tjw.org/etded this documentation |
| 11:00.09 | drac | Doat_: ls -alF /lib/libpam.so.0 |
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| 11:00.21 | Doat_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2005-02-04 21:48 /lib/libpam.so.0 -> libpam.so.0.76 |
| 11:00.31 | drac | so, it is there. |
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| 11:00.47 | Doat_ | how come i cant see it :/ |
| 11:01.09 | drac | it's linked to libpam.so.0.76, it's same thing as libpam.so.0 |
| 11:01.25 | Doat_ | cant see that either |
| 11:01.35 | Growly | Need. SATA. Help. |
| 11:01.35 | drac | you just pasted it here. |
| 11:01.38 | drac | are you blind? ;) |
| 11:01.53 | Doat_ | drac: oh now i can see it :P |
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| 11:02.28 | Doat_ | but im still getting the same error |
| 11:02.37 | Doat_ | debian:/lib# chroot /usr/local/enemy-territory su - et +exec server.cfg |
| 11:02.38 | Doat_ | su: error while loading shared libraries: libpam.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:02.43 | HeavenWarrior | how can i remove for example AbiWord from Synaptic, without having to be removed 'gnome' for example |
| 11:03.08 | drac | doat_: it's not debian problem, it's most likely enemyterritory's problem. try google. |
| 11:03.09 | xogon | HeavenWarrior: if its a dependency you can't |
| 11:03.37 | Doat_ | drac: i did |
| 11:03.41 | xogon | HeavenWarrior: apt-cache showpkg <package> to see detailed dependecy info |
| 11:03.43 | Doat_ | but found nothing |
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| 11:04.25 | Doat_ | drac: how do i know if a process is running or not? pidof <process name>? |
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| 11:04.55 | drac | Doat_: how should we know, why enemyterritory can't find it? i don't have my crystal ball with me. |
| 11:04.59 | drac | Doat_: ps |
| 11:05.10 | HeavenWarrior | xogon, ok |
| 11:05.35 | Charmy | Can anyone help me with my debian install? When I try to do a network based install using idepci disks, I get to the 'install base system' step |
| 11:05.49 | HeavenWarrior | and my other question is - when i use apt-get for 2.6.8 kernel after it is installed have i to make any changes to run alsa support |
| 11:05.51 | Charmy | but I get an error saying "debootstrap exited abnormally" when i try to get the files from the us server |
| 11:06.08 | Charmy | it gets a few before dying |
| 11:06.47 | xogon | HeavenWarrior: it depends if your system is loaded the oss or alsa modules |
| 11:07.03 | HeavenWarrior | xogon, how can i disable the oss modules |
| 11:07.11 | HeavenWarrior | some howtos to give an url? |
| 11:07.56 | xogon | HeavenWarrior: i think in /etc/modules you add the also one and comment out the OSS one. i say "i think" because its possible some other sound package tries to load the modules |
| 11:08.07 | Charmy | anyone seen my problem before? |
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| 11:08.47 | xogon | Charmy: can you ctrl-alt-f2 to a command-prompt and test your network connection |
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| 11:09.11 | Charmy | test it.. how do I do that xogon? |
| 11:09.25 | Charmy | i am using my winxp box to talk on mirc.. they're both sharing the same cable modem.. so i think the connection is alright.. |
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| 11:09.41 | xogon | HeavenWarrior: then run "update-modules" after editing it. and make sure alsa-base is installed, and probably alsa-utils also for things like the mixer |
| 11:10.01 | HeavenWarrior | xogon, if i install new kernel - have i to install alsa-packages too |
| 11:10.13 | HeavenWarrior | cause they are integrated in it |
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| 11:10.18 | xogon | Charmy: i'm sorry if you can't read/understand english then there's no help |
| 11:10.32 | Quag7 | I can't ping 127.0.0.1 / localhost (though I can ping the internet, and my internal network just fine). /sbin/ifconfig shows lo is up and running, and /etc/hosts has the correct entry...Anyone have any ideas? It appears this is preventing gnome from working. |
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| 11:10.51 | Charmy | xogon: I understnad English actually, but considering the hotkeys you suggested don't do anything, I repeat my question. |
| 11:10.57 | xogon | HeavenWarrior: ugh, i don't know how debian does it. normally alsa modules are part of the kernel. i don't know if debian packages them seperately. |
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| 11:11.35 | drac | xogon, HeavenWarrior: debian 2.6x kernel has Alsa buildin. |
| 11:11.36 | xogon | Charmy: maybe in some alternate reality they don't, but on a system with the debian installer running they do |
| 11:11.45 | nono_ | is there a package repository for thunderbird ? |
| 11:12.18 | Charmy | xogon: No need to be harsh. Okay, turns out I was pressing alt-ctrl-f12. misread. Okay, i'm at a command prompt now. |
| 11:12.24 | drac | HeavenWarrior: apt-get install alsa-base alsamixergui udev |
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| 11:12.41 | xogon | !tell HeavenWarrior about alsa |
| 11:13.29 | xogon | Charmy: is the interface up? can it ping anything? |
| 11:13.37 | HeavenWarrior | 10x |
| 11:14.10 | xogon | Charmy: i wasn't being harsh ;) but your response was harsh |
| 11:14.16 | Charmy | xogon: I have no clue. I'm new to this. All I see is a text message talking about how i'm a bourne shell clone.. the prompt is a '#' |
| 11:14.48 | xogon | Charmy: try 'route -n' and see what it says |
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| 11:15.05 | xogon | look for an entry that begins with 0.0.0.0 |
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| 11:16.11 | xogon | Charmy: i assume you brought the interface up already with the installer? |
| 11:16.37 | Charmy | xogon: Hold a sec. The computer rebooted for some reason. reentering the install program |
| 11:16.44 | Charmy | xogon: Gimme a sec to get back to where i was |
| 11:16.48 | war- | The moral of the story is this: the SGI guys have dramatically improved the situation in XFS 1.1, and if you're running XFS 1.0, then you should definitely plan to upgrade to XFS 1.1 in the near future. - How do I find out what XFS version I am running? |
| 11:17.20 | Charmy | xogon: Not sure what you mean by 'brought the interface up' though. |
| 11:17.37 | xogon | war-: depends on the kernel version |
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| 11:17.52 | war- | xogon: But the filesystem was formatted with a specific version, no? |
| 11:18.16 | xogon | war-: no |
| 11:18.26 | war- | xogon: oh, so just upgrade the kernel and then I have xfs 1.1 ? |
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| 11:18.43 | war- | (when its in the kernel that is) |
| 11:18.47 | fudje | Hey. |
| 11:18.51 | xogon | war-: depending upon which version of xfs was put into that kernel |
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| 11:19.07 | fudje | Anyone know where there might be packages for the development series of gtkmm? |
| 11:19.19 | xogon | war-: in the past xfs was a patch you had to apply. for quite a while now its been incorporated into the kernel source |
| 11:19.40 | war- | xogon: is 1.1 in the kernel? where do I find the XFS version number either in the kernel or on the file system? |
| 11:19.41 | xogon | war-: if you're using a fairly recent kernel you should be okay i think |
| 11:19.53 | xogon | war-: what is the date of the article you read that? |
| 11:20.07 | war- | sec, someone sent it to me, getting url |
| 11:20.44 | xogon | war-: 1.0 sounds really, really old to me |
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| 11:21.06 | xogon | fudje: search packages.debian.org ? |
| 11:21.30 | blight | is there any particular/recommened place to keep iptable rulsets in debian? |
| 11:21.34 | fudje | xogon: Most recent version I can find is 2.4.10, and that doesn't appear to have been packaged yet. |
| 11:21.46 | nvz | fudje: apt-get.org is unofficial repo search |
| 11:21.59 | fudje | (It would be really nice if the developers would have included a debian/ directory in there, but noooo....) |
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| 11:22.23 | mosty | blight: i created /etc/init.d/firewall and added links to the runlevels |
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| 11:22.45 | Charmy | xogon: route -n results in usage: route ({...}) |
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| 11:22.55 | Charmy | xogon: where ... is a bunch of letters |
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| 11:23.17 | uGexe | i installed xfce4 with apt-get but there are no menus visible. what do i do to view the menus |
| 11:23.17 | HeavenWarrior | xogon, how can i change oss to alsa from my libraries |
| 11:23.36 | fudje | Charmy: That's... odd. |
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| 11:23.47 | blight | mosty: cool ... |
| 11:23.50 | Charmy | fudje: =( |
| 11:24.02 | Smurg | I installed WindowsXP after installing Debian Sarge, now when I boot Windows starts on its own, GRUB doesnt display choices ..HOw do I bring GRUB back? |
| 11:24.05 | blight | mosty: so it's pretty much a diy thing ... personal pref |
| 11:24.10 | fudje | Charmy: what does `which route' return? |
| 11:24.33 | fudje | Smurg: boot disk :) |
| 11:24.42 | Smurg | fudge : Im a newbie, pls help |
| 11:24.51 | mosty | blight: i think the iptables package creates /etc/init.d/iptables, but i prefer my own script |
| 11:24.58 | Charmy | fudje: /sbin/route |
| 11:25.01 | fudje | Smurg, do you still have your debian installer disk? |
| 11:25.05 | Smurg | fudge :Yeah |
| 11:25.14 | drac | HeavenWarrior: What do you mean? I believe that question is borked :P |
| 11:25.30 | fudje | Smurg: Do you know where your root partition is? |
| 11:25.45 | Smurg | fudge: The Linux partition? yes hda12 |
| 11:25.55 | blight | mosty: yeah it does reading /etc/defaults/iptables didn't leave me feeling happy though :-) |
| 11:26.03 | xogon | HeavenWarrior: remove the oss module. modprobe the alsa one |
| 11:26.28 | takatumi | fudje: libgtkmm-2.4-dev is packaged in sid. |
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| 11:26.43 | fudje | Smurg: Okay, you should be able to boot from the cd with root=/dev/hda12, and then run grub-setup |
| 11:26.51 | drac | HeavenWarrior: modconf is nice program, use it. |
| 11:26.53 | war- | xogon: found it |
| 11:26.56 | war- | xogon: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-fs11.html?t=gr,lnxw16=FileSysP11 |
| 11:26.58 | Smurg | fudge :Thanks |
| 11:27.02 | fudje | takatumi: Problem is, I want the development series. Sid has 2.4.8 :( |
| 11:27.13 | HeavenWarrior | drac, ok |
| 11:27.15 | war- | xogon: very old |
| 11:27.44 | fudje | Charmy: I presume you have net-tools installed? |
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| 11:28.25 | Charmy | fudje: net-tools.. i don't know. All i've done so far is pop in a rescue disk, which asked for a root disk.. got htrough the first few prompts.. asked for a driver disk.. put that in.. installed a network card no problems.. dhcp detected settings no problem.. |
| 11:28.35 | Charmy | fudje: connected to network and was able to get a few files, but then got that weird error.. |
| 11:28.41 | Charmy | fudje: so now I'm at the command prompt as instructed |
| 11:28.49 | fudje | Ah, okay. |
| 11:28.50 | Albacker | guys do you have any idea for a tutorial on installing debian woody (3.0) because i've tried it 3 times and got nothing. . . I've continually had problems with XFree Config file stored in /etc/X11/ ! |
| 11:28.57 | fudje | what about netstat -rn? |
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| 11:29.19 | fudje | That should give you the routing table without an attempt at name resolution.... |
| 11:29.20 | Charmy | fudje: hm, doesn't seem to do anything. |
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| 11:29.31 | takatumi | Albacker: why not try sarge instead? |
| 11:29.36 | Charmy | fudje: no message or anything. just another # prompt. |
| 11:29.40 | fudje | (like route -n, but it's not in /sbin) |
| 11:29.46 | Albacker | what do you mean ? takatumi |
| 11:29.55 | takatumi | Albacker: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 11:29.55 | fudje | Weird. |
| 11:30.24 | fudje | Albacker: Even in it's testing state, sarge is vastly superior to woody. At least, I've found so. |
| 11:30.30 | fudje | s/it's/its/ |
| 11:30.38 | Albacker | fudje I use dial up. |
| 11:30.43 | takatumi | Albacker: if your problem is only with your xfree86config, maybe you could just fix that. |
| 11:30.48 | Albacker | all the problem stands here ^ |
| 11:31.11 | Albacker | takatumi yes maybe. somtimes it says that cannot open X server. |
| 11:31.13 | Charmy | fudje: don't understand why these commands aren't working.. wonder whats wrong. |
| 11:31.16 | takatumi | Albacker: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for errors. |
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| 11:31.25 | Albacker | sorry |
| 11:31.31 | mosty | albacker: here's a tip, you don't need to reinstall debian from scratch to reinstall or reconfigure X |
| 11:32.05 | fudje | Charmy: does route work without -n? |
| 11:32.07 | Albacker | well do I have to configure only the /etc/X11/XF86Concig-4 file ? |
| 11:32.10 | Albacker | :mosty |
| 11:32.13 | takatumi | Albacker: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for errors. |
| 11:32.23 | Charmy | fudje: yes, it does |
| 11:32.29 | xogon | war-: IIRC the last time i was even aware of an XFS version number it was like 1.3 |
| 11:32.50 | fudje | Charmy: well, do you need the ip addresses? |
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| 11:33.05 | gust1 | :) |
| 11:33.06 | Albacker | takatumi at home I have suse 9.. If i get the XFree config file of suse and configure the one of debian like the suse config file. ? |
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| 11:33.12 | Albacker | 9. * |
| 11:33.12 | war- | xogon: do you know if there is anyway to check? also does the version of the filesystem I format with differ from the kernel version? I know ntfs is certain versions when you format the hdd |
| 11:33.16 | Albacker | 9.1 ** |
| 11:33.21 | fudje | (Or is something you're runnign trying to use `route -n' and failing?) |
| 11:33.24 | Charmy | fudje: i have no clue what i need unfortunately =( the info displsayed though is destination 192.168.0.0, and 'default' |
| 11:33.27 | fudje | /gn/ng/ |
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| 11:33.37 | xogon | Charmy: read up on ifconfig and how to bring an interface up, and the route command |
| 11:33.41 | Charmy | fudje: with oher info like gateway 192.168.0.1 and genmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:33.44 | takatumi | Albacker: that would most probably work. |
| 11:33.45 | xogon | war-: the kernel source |
| 11:34.03 | fudje | Charmy: what do you actually need to know about routes for? |
| 11:34.06 | Albacker | ok thanks. |
| 11:34.11 | takatumi | Albacker: what kind of modem have you got? |
| 11:34.18 | Albacker | dial up 56k |
| 11:34.21 | Albacker | sorry |
| 11:34.26 | Albacker | 56k microlink elsa |
| 11:34.28 | Charmy | fudje: I have no clue. xogon asked me to type that command |
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| 11:34.46 | Charmy | fudje: All I wanted was to get the base install to work after that 'deboostrap exited abnormally" message. |
| 11:34.52 | zirikili | hi all... I am using X on a notebook with touchpad and it works fine. but when I try to use a ps2 mouse at same notebook it does not work. any help? |
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| 11:34.57 | Albacker | takatumi : it's not a wind modem, I've used it in suse mandrake redhat and fedora too. |
| 11:35.11 | Govannon | hi all. how do i eject my cd's ? both drives are stuck |
| 11:35.21 | Miriup | eject? |
| 11:35.23 | takatumi | Albacker: ok, does it work in debian? |
| 11:35.23 | zirikili | Govannon: eject |
| 11:35.30 | Govannon | ? |
| 11:35.36 | zirikili | Govannon: man eject |
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| 11:35.40 | fudje | Charmy: Hmm. I don't think I was here when you started all that. Guess you're probably better to keep talking to xogon as I prob'ly can't keep concentration long enough :/ |
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| 11:35.43 | Govannon | in the console |
| 11:36.00 | Albacker | takatumi : never tried because I could never work in debian. . . |
| 11:36.10 | xogon | Charmy: can you tell if the interface is up? |
| 11:36.27 | Albacker | takatumi : only once I could open gnome and there a bad resolution smth like 600X800 |
| 11:36.32 | zirikili | Govannon: yes |
| 11:36.38 | Charmy | xogon: You need to tell me what that means.. I don't know. |
| 11:36.42 | fudje | xogon: there are routes active on the interface ... it's up. |
| 11:36.46 | Govannon | k - thx |
| 11:36.54 | takatumi | Albacker: you can get a lot of work done without X. |
| 11:37.04 | Albacker | really takatumi ? |
| 11:37.13 | Albacker | takatumi : only with terminals? |
| 11:37.18 | xogon | Charmy: i don't know what your problem is. is the installer not able to download packages or what? |
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| 11:37.43 | Charmy | xogon: When I ask it to install, it begins the installation. i see a blue bar filling up wiht yellow, as it gets various files from http://us.debian.org or whatever it was. |
| 11:37.50 | Charmy | xogon: however, after about 2 minutes of this |
| 11:38.03 | Charmy | xogon: it stops and gives me the error "deboostrap exited abnormally" |
| 11:38.09 | Charmy | xogon: and the base install fails. |
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| 11:38.34 | xogon | Charmy: ah so it is connecting |
| 11:38.44 | Charmy | xogon: Yes. |
| 11:38.49 | xogon | Charmy: its possible your installation floppy is bad |
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| 11:39.05 | xogon | Charmy: is this a recent version of the installer? |
| 11:39.14 | Charmy | xogon: I got this from.. one sec.. |
| 11:39.46 | zirikili | I get "psmouse.c: Touchpad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost syc at byte 1" when click mouse button during boot. and it does not work on X. any help? |
| 11:39.55 | Charmy | xogon: http://cscideb.mala.bc.ca/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/idepci/ here |
| 11:40.12 | fudje | I guess I'll wait until I sober up and try to bootleg the packaging rules onto the 2.5-series sources. |
| 11:40.13 | Charmy | xogon: I'm taking a course on this at university. The floppies worked when i was to install debian in a lab environment. |
| 11:40.17 | takatumi | Albacker: pppconfig and pon/poff to get your modem working, apt-get install screen irssi-text; run irssi as a user, you will be able to reach #debian. |
| 11:40.20 | fudje | 'Night all. |
| 11:40.21 | xogon | Charmy: i have no idea if that is an up-to-date mirror |
| 11:40.45 | xogon | Charmy: i would try different floppies and a recent download from debian.org |
| 11:40.47 | Albacker | thanx takatumi. |
| 11:40.50 | Charmy | xogon: Well the thing is, i know those floppies worked for a previous install on a differnet machine. However.. it IS possible that the floppies were damaged since then, as they were transported often. If thats the case though, wouldn't it not boot up at all? |
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| 11:41.12 | Albacker | i got also a debian installing tutorial in aboutdebian.org or .com not sure |
| 11:41.29 | xogon | Charmy: not necessarily. i've seen many installations crap-out because of partially damaged media |
| 11:41.32 | Albacker | www.aboutdebian.com/install3.htm : takatumi. |
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| 11:41.53 | xogon | Charmy: don't you have access to a cdrom? |
| 11:41.57 | paulswm | Charmy: do you *have* to use a particular verion of debian? If not, go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, download and burn the net install CD, and install sarge (testing), it's quite stable and the installer's easy to use |
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| 11:42.33 | Charmy | xogon: I do have access to one, yes. I'm simply using this method because thats the only method I know. I am basically trying to reproduce what i did in the lab. |
| 11:42.34 | Albacker | but after doing everything like that I couldnt enter e desktop manager [like gnome, kde . . . ] |
| 11:42.35 | just-me | hii everyone ....can someone help me with the apt-build tool |
| 11:42.37 | takatumi | Albacker: you are better off with sarge, woody is over 2 years old, I haven't tried that howto, but I'm sure it works, woody is the stable release of debian, it's gotta work. |
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| 11:42.52 | xogon | Charmy: what paulswm said *highly* recommended ;) |
| 11:42.54 | Charmy | paulswm: I don't have to use this exact version, but its hte version used at my unviersity lab. I had wanted to recreate a similar environment at home. |
| 11:42.56 | just-me | Sorry, can't find a2ps, is it already installed? |
| 11:42.57 | just-me | (Remove it first, or try running 'apt-get clean') |
| 11:43.09 | just-me | this is the msg i get when i do apt-build world |
| 11:43.21 | Charmy | xogon: I will be happy to use it if it works. Is it very different from woody? (The one that they use at the university) |
| 11:43.22 | takatumi | Albacker: those are only X configuration errors. check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for lines with EE. |
| 11:43.34 | takatumi | and fix it. |
| 11:43.36 | xogon | Charmy: it will work. you will be happy |
| 11:43.59 | xogon | Charmy: but seriously, of course. it is sarge which is soon to become debian/stable very soon |
| 11:44.02 | paulswm | Charmy: the version you are trying to install (woody) is old, and you will be able to reproduce what you are doing in the lab with sarge, and the install will be a tear-free experience |
| 11:44.04 | Charmy | xogon: Will I know how to use it? I know very little about Linux. i've just started to learn how to use Woody. Last week in the lab we installed XWindows for the first time. |
| 11:44.06 | takatumi | Albacker: please keep it on main. |
| 11:44.37 | xogon | Charmy: the new installer is quite intuitive. but you can always come back here if you have problems |
| 11:44.41 | takatumi | Albacker: apt-get is what you'll use to install most packages. |
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| 11:44.55 | Charmy | paulswm: Okay. The 'testing' part scares me a little though. So this sarge version is still in testing? Is it safe? |
| 11:45.02 | xogon | Charmy: there have been a lot of reviews at places like osnews.com about the new debian installer. it is great. |
| 11:45.23 | paulswm | Charmy: yes, I have been using the 'tessting' distribution for years and it hasn't given me any problems |
| 11:45.37 | Albacker | thanks a lot takatumi, and sorry. |
| 11:45.38 | dud | mmm, anyone seen todays /. poll? a classic hehe |
| 11:45.40 | Smurg | I just installed windows now, and now GRUB doesnt even show up..How can I set this right? |
| 11:45.44 | dud | "Preferred Writing Utensil Distribution System?" |
| 11:45.54 | Charmy | paulswm: Okay. I will do that then. Let me get out a blank CD and burn this network install CD. |
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| 11:46.35 | Smurg | I just installed windows now, and now GRUB doesnt even show up..How can I set this right ?? |
| 11:46.58 | paulswm | Charmy: you will be much happier. Also, the version that you were trying to install doens not play well with hardware built within the last couple of years, so that might explain the problems with your netwrok card |
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| 11:47.21 | paulswm | scuse the spelling, I am a three finger typist |
| 11:47.23 | xogon | Charmy: and i have been using the "unstable" for years and its has extremely seldom given me any problems |
| 11:47.27 | Knight_Lord | Smurg windows will erase you master boot record |
| 11:47.28 | sepski | Smurg, edit your grub meny file /boot/grub/meny.1st read it's manpage to find out how |
| 11:47.30 | Charmy | paulswm: The network card I'm currently using in that machine is a 3COM Ethernet III PCI. I got it in the year 2000. |
| 11:47.38 | Knight_Lord | Smurg effectively deleting your grub install |
| 11:47.39 | mosty | smurg: boot with a rescue disk and fix it |
| 11:47.43 | sepski | Smurg, sorry misread your Q |
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| 11:47.48 | xogon | Charmy: although many people would ax my head off for even mentioning it to a noob ;P |
| 11:47.50 | Knight_Lord | Smurg you have to use rescue disk to boot and run grub-install |
| 11:48.00 | Smurg | mosty : I dont have a rescue disk :( So I have to reinst sarge? |
| 11:48.14 | takatumi | Smurg: hell no. just grub. |
| 11:48.16 | Smurg | I have the installation CD |
| 11:48.34 | Charmy | xogon: Your head seems well attached still. ^_^ I'll trust ya. |
| 11:48.37 | Knight_Lord | Smurg if you use the installation CD in expert mode |
| 11:48.37 | paulswm | !beat xogon for mentioning sid to a noob |
| 11:48.37 | mosty | smurg: you can just the install cd, just mount the filesystems, then skip to the "install grub" bit |
| 11:48.38 | sepski | Smurg, you can boot on , the install cd, a livecd, or a grub floppy all of them will allow you to get your sarge back up without reinstalling |
| 11:48.46 | paulswm | heh |
| 11:48.54 | Knight_Lord | Smurg i beleive you can choose install boot loader |
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| 11:49.09 | Knight_Lord | Smurg on the menu. When that step is done you can reboot |
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| 11:49.33 | Smurg | Well when I go to the install base system, it says unclean installation, cannot proceed |
| 11:49.41 | Smurg | sorry when i say install grub loader |
| 11:49.45 | Smurg | it says unclean installation |
| 11:49.48 | Knight_Lord | ok |
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| 11:50.20 | mosty | smurg: we told you to skip over that step |
| 11:50.38 | Smurg | mosty : i skipped base system install, but when i say install grub it says unclean installation |
| 11:50.55 | vipe | any one who can give me advice for a linux compatible pda/gps ? |
| 11:50.58 | Knight_Lord | you have to define where you want to install |
| 11:51.01 | Charmy | xogon: which of these should i download at http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/torrents/i386/? |
| 11:51.11 | paulswm | Charmy: Just install sarge. If it doesn't do what you want (in terms of reproducing your lab work), then you can always go back to trying to install 'stable'. |
| 11:51.16 | Smurg | It starts the partitioning system! |
| 11:51.26 | paulswm | Charmy: no, download from the link I gave you |
| 11:51.46 | Charmy | paulswm: So long as it operates the same way woody does and uses the same packages.. i think it'll be okay. Am i right in assuming that it will? |
| 11:51.48 | xogon | Charmy: i just go to debian.org |
| 11:51.53 | Charmy | paulswm: Oh okay. I will use your link, paulswm. |
| 11:52.03 | Smurg | When I enter "Install GRUB Boot loader on hard disk", it says do you want to proceed with unclean installation, I say yes and it says error |
| 11:52.03 | Albacker | takatumi, another question : while choosing the isntallation apps with tasksel should I choose C and C++, X server? what abou desktop envriorments.? |
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| 11:52.15 | Smurg | Knight_Lord: What can I do |
| 11:52.18 | xogon | Charmy: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:52.37 | Knight_Lord | Smurg try to boot with |
| 11:52.52 | Smurg | with? |
| 11:52.54 | Knight_Lord | linux26 root=/dev/youpartion |
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| 11:53.01 | Knight_Lord | with the install cd |
| 11:53.02 | HeavenWarrior | xogon, Please enter any command-line arguments for the opl3sa2 module. Many ?? modules can autoprobe and do not require additional parameters. |
| 11:53.02 | paulswm | Charmy: You do what you wish, but I *know* that the debian ISO is kosher, don't know about any other sites or mirrors |
| 11:53.04 | Knight_Lord | i have no idea if this works |
| 11:53.06 | Smurg | ok then? |
| 11:53.22 | Smurg | how do i set up GRUb |
| 11:53.26 | Smurg | once im in |
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| 11:53.28 | Knight_Lord | try that first |
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| 11:53.32 | Smurg | im on windows now |
| 11:53.34 | xogon | HeavenWarrior: normally you don't need to enter any |
| 11:53.36 | Knight_Lord | after it should be just grub-install |
| 11:53.44 | xogon | HeavenWarrior: just hit enter |
| 11:53.45 | Knight_Lord | Smurg ah you don't have another computeR? |
| 11:53.51 | Smurg | nope :) |
| 11:53.51 | HeavenWarrior | xogon, ok |
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| 11:54.02 | Knight_Lord | Smurg then i think it's best for you to download a rescue disk |
| 11:54.08 | Knight_Lord | Smurg it's possible to find really small ones |
| 11:54.12 | Smurg | yeah i should have |
| 11:54.16 | Albacker | takatumi, another question : while choosing the isntallation apps with tasksel should I choose C and C++, X server? what abou desktop envriorments.? |
| 11:54.17 | Smurg | but i was lazy ...stupid me |
| 11:54.23 | xogon | Smurg: yeah have a rescue disk |
| 11:54.29 | Knight_Lord | Smurg i'll brb then i'll find one for you |
| 11:54.39 | xogon | or use knoppix even |
| 11:54.41 | takatumi | Albacker: honestly, I haven't tried woody, with sarge yes you get to install desktop environment from tasksel. Basically, what you have installed is probably a fully functional base system. apt-get and apt-cache should be all that is required for you to install as many other apps as required. |
| 11:54.42 | Smurg | i have knoppix |
| 11:54.48 | Jenns | !ati |
| 11:54.48 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 11:54.53 | paulswm | Charmy: then if you have problems or questions, we know at least that you have the installer from an official source. |
| 11:54.55 | Charmy | paulswm: Okay, I'm downloading sarge-i386-netinst.iso. |
| 11:55.01 | xogon | smurfd: knoppix 2 boots into command-line mode, good for rescue |
| 11:55.02 | paulswm | !win Charmy |
| 11:55.02 | Smurg | how can i install grub frm knoppix |
| 11:55.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, Charmy! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 11:55.06 | Albacker | ok thanks. |
| 11:55.08 | Albacker | I'm going now |
| 11:55.09 | Jenns | !ati drivers |
| 11:55.09 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 11:55.15 | Albacker | Cya takatumi ! |
| 11:55.28 | takatumi | Albacker: ciao. |
| 11:55.30 | paulswm | Smurg: /topic (knoppix isn't debian) |
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| 11:55.36 | xogon | Smurg: you would install grub when you are installing debian, or install it after you have installed it |
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| 11:56.05 | Smurg | xogon : Well i installed windows after installing sarge and the damn windows has erased my partition tables and GRUB has vanished |
| 11:56.05 | xogon | Smurg: knoppix is just there in case you bork something |
| 11:56.11 | Albacker | hehe : italian ? |
| 11:56.13 | paulswm | Smurg: sorry, I withdraw what I said |
| 11:56.26 | HeavenWarrior | hey why debian sarge so stable than fedora - may be for that in its packages are testing in fedora unstable or/ |
| 11:56.31 | paulswm | Smurg: didn't read the prior thread, my apologies |
| 11:56.41 | Smurg | paulswm : its k |
| 11:56.46 | Charmy | paulswm: So will I be able to do the activity that I was asked from the lab? This week I have to install the x windows program.. with the Ice windows manager, and xdm, and test xauth and xhost methods.. and then describe the mechanism with which xwindows chooses a default windows manager. Is this mechanism the same in both sarge and woody? |
| 11:56.47 | xogon | Smurg: yep. that happens. then boot with knoppix, mount the linux filesystem(s) on your hard disk, and then run grub-install |
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| 11:57.34 | Smurg | xogon : ok my linux root is hda2 , im new to linux, can u tell me the command mount /dev/hda2 -o -t /mnt/mounted ? is that rite? |
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| 11:57.47 | xelam|home | no |
| 11:58.04 | xelam|home | mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/mounted |
| 11:58.17 | Smurg | i dont need to specify file system? |
| 11:58.31 | xogon | Smurg: i'm not sure if you can just chroot to / in the mounted fs and run grub-install, or else you need to pass the correct parameters to it for the conf file |
| 11:58.32 | Phated | Yes, you do. |
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| 11:58.37 | xelam|home | no you dont |
| 11:58.41 | xelam|home | unless its weird |
| 11:58.51 | xogon | Smurg: mkdir /target mount /dev/hda2 /target |
| 11:58.56 | xelam|home | if its ext2 or ext3 or fat it'll just work |
| 11:59.00 | Smurg | ext2 yeah |
| 11:59.08 | xelam|home | then you dont need to specify |
| 11:59.12 | Smurg | and btw whats the diff between ext2 and ext3 |
| 11:59.13 | xogon | Smurg: if boot is on, say, hda1, then mount /dev/hda1 /target/boot |
| 11:59.21 | xelam|home | ext3 is journalled |
| 11:59.26 | xogon | Smurg: ext3 is ext2 with a journal |
| 11:59.31 | gusto | :) |
| 11:59.33 | paulswm | Charmy: it should be. sarge has newer versions of all the software than woody (stable), but I don't think that has changed. I would check with your tutor if it is OK to use sarge, just in case. |
| 11:59.35 | HeavenWarrior | why there is no + displayed in modconf when i've installed a module |
| 11:59.49 | xogon | HeavenWarrior: use lsmod |
| 12:00.05 | Smurg | well, damn ill try and brb |
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| 12:00.50 | Charmy | paulswm: Also I want to mention that the computer I'm using for this is very old, as are the ones in the labs. The current rig I have is a Pentium 133 upgrading to a Pentium 200 with a winchip, 128mb of slow DIMM RAM, 10gig HD, s3 rendition video chipset |
| 12:00.50 | paulswm | Smurg: if you are writing to an ext2 filesystem and you pull the power from your computer, the filesystem will be damaged to a greater or lesser extent when you come back up. If you are using ext3, it won't. |
| 12:01.00 | Knight_Lord | chrooting and grub-install should work |
| 12:01.16 | Charmy | paulswm: I don't know if the hardware matters when choosing a distribution.. but i know that in the lab i had to choose between either using xserver 3.0 or 4.0 depending on what kind of video card i had. |
| 12:01.27 | Knight_Lord | but he must mount /proc first |
| 12:01.28 | johnnyST | Hi |
| 12:01.37 | xogon | Knight_Lord: ah good. i seem to remember it not working. maybe it was with lilo, and i had to use the -r option |
| 12:01.45 | johnnyST | I ma trying to connect with Kppp I get this: Couldn't find interface ppp0: No such device |
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| 12:01.54 | johnnyST | I have ppp support in the kernel. |
| 12:02.06 | Phated | Charmy: With the exception of the proc, that's all better than what I have. |
| 12:02.17 | johnnyST | Any ide what I could try? |
| 12:02.29 | paulswm | Charmy: I am running sarge on several boxes, one being a 166MHz Pentium with 32MB memory and a 2GB HD :) 128MB of memory is enough to run X. It will be slow, but the X in sarge should run OK |
| 12:02.35 | francois | is there anyway with exim3 to reject mail sent to a specific email address with a specific domain, on a multi-domain machine? |
| 12:03.27 | paulswm | Charmy: just run the installer and you won't have to choose between versions. It is a *much* better installer. |
| 12:03.31 | Charmy | paulswm: The computers at school had only 32mb of RAM in them as well, and they ran X okay.. at least the woody version. I just hope the sarge version is not much more resource intensive or operates very differently. |
| 12:03.47 | Charmy | paulswm: Sounds great. I look forward to trying it. Image is about 50% downloaded now. |
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| 12:04.59 | HeavenWarrior | what kernel have i to download - 386 or 686 |
| 12:05.05 | HeavenWarrior | i'm with PII |
| 12:05.13 | Knight_Lord | 686 should work |
| 12:05.14 | Charmy | paulswm: Also, I divided my 10gig drive as such: 125mb for root, 128mb for swap, 50 mb for /tmp, 5000mb for /usr, 2000 for /home, and the rest for /var. Does that seem reasonable to you? |
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| 12:05.53 | Knight_Lord | Charmy why such a fine grained division? |
| 12:06.08 | francois | I have quit a long time ago to partition my systems... in the era of 200 gig drives, it does seem a little crazy |
| 12:06.10 | Knight_Lord | Charmy why not 128 for swap and the rest for root? |
| 12:06.10 | Charmy | Knight_Lord: Just following what we did in the lab... teacher said its good for some reason. |
| 12:06.25 | paulswm | Charmy: Like I said, you can always revert to woody if it is incompatible. Unless you have been told that you absolutely must use woody, sarge is better. Recommendations for X with sarge, though, is 128MB RAM for X. |
| 12:06.26 | Knight_Lord | Charmy but do you think it's good? What's the reason? |
| 12:06.29 | Charmy | Knight_Lord: Teacher mentioned that this is a good idea in case one part of the file system gets corrupted, then the rest isn't affected. |
| 12:06.43 | Charmy | Knight_Lord: I don't think its good or not good. I have no clue, or experience to draw from. Just doing what I'm told =) |
| 12:07.00 | Knight_Lord | Charmy that sounds like a really lame reason especially when using ext3 |
| 12:07.16 | xogon | Charmy: just make swap and / forget the rest |
| 12:07.20 | Charmy | Knight_Lord: I think its using ext2, if i remember right. |
| 12:07.26 | sky0 | Charmy: that looks good, maybe a little more for swap; if you want to run memory-intensive stuff |
| 12:07.29 | dud | besides... isnt 50MB for tmp a bit on the low side, practically speaking... |
| 12:07.30 | just-me | is there anybody knows the tool apt-build |
| 12:07.32 | just-me | ? |
| 12:07.37 | Knight_Lord | Charmy you're using ext2? |
| 12:07.41 | Charmy | Hm, it seems like I'm gettinga lot of different opinions on this. |
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| 12:07.57 | Charmy | I think I'll stick withw what I know and follow the instructor's style of partitioning. |
| 12:07.59 | valdyn | Charmy: i dont see much point at all in doing such fine grained partition scheme, rather put all in one partition and leave free unpartitioned space, in case you need that later |
| 12:08.04 | Knight_Lord | Charmy i think using so many partition for a personal computer is just wasting space |
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| 12:08.20 | Knight_Lord | I agree with valdyn and xogon |
| 12:08.22 | Charmy | Knight_Lord: Well, i think the point of the labs is to create a computer that wuld be used as some kind of server. |
| 12:08.30 | Blissex | my partitioning guidelines: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxNotes.html#partitioning |
| 12:08.36 | valdyn | Charmy: / and /home and 5+ gig free space should leave room for later needs |
| 12:08.40 | xogon | Charmy: having a zillion partitions is old unix thinking and has its basis, but is irrelevant and a waste of space on a desktop |
| 12:08.42 | francois | anyone has an answer to my exim question |
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| 12:09.08 | Blissex | francois: pls repeat the exim question for me, just joined. |
| 12:09.23 | Charmy | I'm a bit confused now. not sure what to do. |
| 12:09.31 | xogon | Charmy: at most you can have a /home separate from /, but for me its totally irrelevant... |
| 12:09.53 | Blissex | xogon: it is good to have the root separate from user data, because you can reinstall safely... |
| 12:09.54 | paulswm | Charmy: from experience, this might be better: 125MB for root, 256MB swap, 250MB /tmp, 2000MB /usr, 1500MB /var, rest for /home (at a later date, you might also want to look in to using LVM which makes it easier to set up and resize filesystems) |
| 12:10.06 | Charmy | xogon: According to teacher he said the partitioning is to ensure safety in case one partition gets damaged, the rest won't be affected.. and in case of run away space-usage by some kind of program. |
| 12:10.12 | sky0 | Could anyone please explain, why different partitions waste space? I think that is nonsense. |
| 12:10.23 | dud | for a public server, its smart to have maybe var, usr and home partitions |
| 12:10.24 | paulswm | Charmy: that is correct |
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| 12:10.34 | Blissex | Charmy: your teacher is somewhat right, but the key to safety is backup... |
| 12:10.39 | xogon | Blissex: well, on my systems, i have gabs of important data all over the filesystem. there is no privileged part of it that i can easily wipe |
| 12:10.44 | dud | for safety sake, if you take height for a breach |
| 12:10.53 | paulswm | Charmy: for instance, an email spam attack will eat up /var |
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| 12:11.06 | Charmy | paulswm: Yeah, thats one of the xamples he gave. |
| 12:11.09 | fbz | Hello, i have a problem with gcc. When i was installing it, the additional package called binutils was also installed, and reported an error, something with kernel. When i try to compile c programs, i get an error, that gcc cannot create executables |
| 12:11.19 | xogon | Charmy: that's way old-school thinking. also, chances are 99.9% if the disk craps out, the whole thing does, not just one partition |
| 12:11.25 | valdyn | Charmy: i think its better to split into partitions debian maintained stuff from user / admin controlled stuff. Just splitting into many partitions dont make sense |
| 12:11.26 | Charmy | paulswm: I will follow your partition scheme paulswm. Thanks for your detailed answer. |
| 12:11.28 | anibal | !find interdiff |
| 12:11.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'interdiff' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/interdiff) in text/patchutils. |
| 12:11.37 | Blissex | xogon: thats not a good idea :-) |
| 12:12.11 | francois | Blissex: I do I reject an email sent to a specific address at one of my many domains |
| 12:12.29 | Blissex | xogon: first of all, '/' and '/usr' should only contain stuff managed by DPKG, and really no user things (EXCEPT A FEW in '/etc/') |
| 12:12.37 | Blissex | francois: easily :-) |
| 12:12.42 | francois | I do not want to kill the account because its good on certain domains, but men@fmmo.ca has 35000 spams since january 1 |
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| 12:12.47 | xogon | Blissex: i'm just saying - i have stuff in /etc, /var, /usr that is just as important as /home to follow that philosophy fully would become meticulous |
| 12:12.55 | Charmy | paulswm: Also, why should /home be the largest partition? I thought that /usr was supposed to be. |
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| 12:13.13 | Blissex | francois: there is something like that in my sample exim4 config here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/exim/ |
| 12:13.15 | paulswm | Charmy: it really depends on what you are installing, but that should be OK. Don't forget to look up and run apt-get clean from time to time to clean up debian downloaded packages from /var, once they are installed you don't need them (expect for reinstalls, and if you have a fast conncetion, they'll get downloaded again anyway) |
| 12:13.16 | peterretief | i am keen to get a couple of dists running on one disk - it's not that easy - or is it |
| 12:13.26 | Blissex | xogon: the point is one has to be meticulous. |
| 12:13.35 | xogon | Blissex: / is the whole filesystem. /etc contains loads of stuff that costs me $$$ to configure and which if wiped is seriously damaging |
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| 12:13.49 | francois | is there a typo in your url? |
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| 12:13.52 | valdyn | peterretief: its easy, _but_ you maybe want to only let one distro install grub and add entries for the other systems ther by hand |
| 12:13.53 | Blissex | xogon: so all and only user modified stuff should be in '/etc/' and '/usr/' |
| 12:13.58 | xogon | Blissex: /var/cache, /var/www, /var/svn are other places... |
| 12:14.00 | Blissex | xogon: so all and only user modified stuff should be in '/etc/' and '/usr/local/' oops |
| 12:14.02 | panda | what is /etc/.pwd.lock for? |
| 12:14.03 | paulswm | Charmy: /usr only has to be big enough for installed software. |
| 12:14.12 | Blissex | xogon: so all and only user modified stuff should be in '/etc/' and '/usr/local/' and some bit of '/var/' oops |
| 12:14.41 | Charmy | paulswm: I thought that installed software is what takes up the most space on a system, not the /home directories.. is that wrong? |
| 12:14.43 | peterretief | valdyn: whats the tool to resaize partitions? |
| 12:14.47 | Blissex | xogon: but for example I change the default Debian config to have HTML stuff in #'/home/httpd' and not '/var/www/' |
| 12:14.55 | dud | arent we all getting carried away discusssing stuff that LSB has mapped out nice and dandy already....? |
| 12:15.11 | valdyn | peterretief: qtparted maybe, but i dont recommend resizing partitions at all ever |
| 12:15.16 | Blissex | xogon: because in theory '/var/' is for host specific, throw-away stuff... |
| 12:15.21 | paulswm | Charmy: no, but you have plenty of space, you might find a use for it in /home, it's wasted space in /usr |
| 12:15.31 | peterretief | valdyn: im a little scared |
| 12:15.47 | valdyn | peterretief: thats what backups are for... |
| 12:15.48 | Charmy | paulswm: Okay. Thanks for your insights. Ah, the image is done now, great. I'll burn this right away. |
| 12:15.50 | Blissex | dud: there are a few rather objectionable decisions in both the LSB/filesystem layout standard/Debian policy. |
| 12:16.00 | Knight_Lord | Charmy home directory in disk with mroe than 5GB is always what takes more space |
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| 12:16.19 | xogon | Blissex: i do understand the theory. i used to have 8 separate partitions on all my boxes. but it never once helped me and many times it frustrated me when space because a consideration... |
| 12:16.23 | Charmy | Knight_Lord: Ah, I didn't know that. What is it about the directory which takes up so much space? |
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| 12:16.39 | peterretief | valdyn: !:) |
| 12:16.39 | Blissex | xogon: many partitions are bad... but a couple are good. |
| 12:16.46 | Knight_Lord | Charmy mp3 |
| 12:16.56 | paulswm | Charmy: if you were running a production server, you might, for instance, severely limit /home and make users work elsewhere, for instance in /opt or /var/opt, that would have more to do with local disk and SAN configurations than anything else though |
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| 12:17.05 | xogon | Blissex: the biggest security for me was and is to just keep up to date mirrors all the time. if my filesystem gets borked i mount it with a rescue disk and repair it. but that is very rare. |
| 12:17.11 | Blissex | xogon: partitions should essentially be by-lifetime, and/or by backup volume size :-) |
| 12:17.15 | valdyn | peterretief: resizing partitions is really a somewhat silly idea, since cp -aR to a new partition, and recreating partitions is much safer |
| 12:17.30 | Knight_Lord | valdyn when you have space |
| 12:17.41 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: /nod |
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| 12:18.19 | lechuck6128 | hi everybody |
| 12:18.22 | xogon | Blissex: i used to have / /boot /var /usr /usr/local with /home a symlink to /usr/local |
| 12:18.28 | paulswm | Charmy: good luck |
| 12:18.32 | cahoot | valdyn: isn't the R redundant? |
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| 12:18.52 | valdyn | cahoot: yea, seems to be |
| 12:19.01 | lechuck6128 | i think it is recommended have a large /home partition |
| 12:19.01 | peterretief | valdyn: ya thats true, never thought that. |
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| 12:19.15 | Blissex | xogon: for some uses that was not too bad, and ''/usr/local/' perhaps should have been a symlink to '/home/usrlocal/;, but a quibble. |
| 12:19.16 | cahoot | valdyn: was just wondering |
| 12:19.28 | valdyn | cahoot: i just learned it ) |
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| 12:19.33 | lechuck6128 | and an other one for / mount point |
| 12:19.39 | lechuck6128 | for general purpouses |
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| 12:19.47 | Blissex | xogon: the '/boot/' might have been necessary, but no longer on most systems, and '/var/' may be needed on high traffic servers. |
| 12:19.53 | jethro | hello |
| 12:20.02 | Blissex | xogon: but '/usr/' separate is in general unnecessary. |
| 12:20.04 | valdyn | -a, --archive same as -dpR |
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| 12:20.15 | fbz | Hello, i have a problem with gcc. When i was installing it, the additional package called binutils was also installed, and reported an error, something with kernel. When i try to compile c programs, i get an error, that gcc cannot create executables |
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| 12:20.19 | mdupont | Hi all! |
| 12:20.36 | paulswm | Blissex: no, /usr separate adds to security, read FHS |
| 12:20.37 | mdupont | Please please help me, I have setup pppoe, works, kernel 2.6.10, iptables all work |
| 12:20.40 | Cabbage | fbz> try "apt-get install build-essential" |
| 12:20.44 | mdupont | dnsmask |
| 12:20.49 | PerfDave | I have only ever used single-partition installs on my desktops. |
| 12:20.51 | mdupont | dhcp all works |
| 12:21.03 | mdupont | but, i cannot connect via the other servers to any host |
| 12:21.10 | mdupont | it seems that the iptables is misconfigured |
| 12:21.21 | Blissex | paulswm: that's a very very tiny quibble -- security is a more serious subject... |
| 12:21.26 | panda | anyone knows what /etc/.pwd.lock for? |
| 12:21.31 | Cabbage | mdupont> can you resolve names? Can you ping the nameservers? |
| 12:21.32 | panda | it's an empty file |
| 12:21.40 | paulswm | Blissex: mounting /usr rw is not a tiny quibble |
| 12:21.41 | Cabbage | panda> man vipw |
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| 12:21.53 | mdupont | i can resolve names |
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| 12:21.57 | mdupont | but cannot ping |
| 12:22.12 | Blissex | paulswm: it is a fairly tiny quibble, as the stuff that matters is in '/' anyhow :-) |
| 12:22.24 | xogon | Blissex: what do you mean "by-lifetime" for partitions? |
| 12:22.28 | Cabbage | mdupont> can you ping other hosts on the same subnet? |
| 12:22.29 | valdyn | panda: locks sure are empty |
| 12:22.40 | mdupont | cabbage, yes i think |
| 12:22.44 | mdupont | i can ssh to the server |
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| 12:22.49 | Cabbage | mdupont> check! |
| 12:22.54 | mdupont | ok, i check |
| 12:23.19 | fbz | Cabbage, i get an error about broken packages |
| 12:23.21 | Blissex | paulswm: besides a lot of people update their packages so mounting '/usr/' RO is not a viable proposition.... |
| 12:23.30 | xogon | Blissex: so you would ln -s /home/usr/local /usr/local ? |
| 12:23.35 | Cabbage | fbz> try "apt-get -f install" first |
| 12:23.43 | mdupont | cabb, i can ping |
| 12:23.56 | Cabbage | mdupont> do you have a default route? |
| 12:24.05 | mdupont | on the server, let me see |
| 12:24.12 | valdyn | panda: lock files just indicate for whichever program uses them that a resource is in use, if the file exists |
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| 12:24.22 | Blissex | xogon: I dislike deep hierarchies, I would prefer 'ln -s /home/local /usr/local' or 'ln -s /home/usrlocal /usr/local' |
| 12:24.23 | fbz | Cabbage, there were no packages to install, looks like they're already installed |
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| 12:24.48 | mdupont | the clients are default routed to server |
| 12:24.57 | Blissex | xogon: BTW, I personally use a slightly different scheme, I make a distinction between partitions and their mount points and hierarchies... |
| 12:24.58 | mdupont | the server has a rule to go to internet |
| 12:25.03 | panda | valdyn, what /etc/.pwd.lock locks? man vipw doesn't tell me Cabbage |
| 12:25.04 | xogon | Blissex: how large would you make / then? |
| 12:25.13 | mdupont | but the problem is that the iptables are dropping the packages |
| 12:25.16 | Cabbage | panda> actually it does |
| 12:25.30 | Cabbage | panda> in the first paragraph |
| 12:25.36 | Blissex | xogon: so I name partitions just one would name hosts/NICs, mount them all under '/fs/' (my own standard :->), and then symlink hierarchies therein. |
| 12:25.44 | pestil3nce | Hi, how do i clean the "going to install" list in apt? I have some broken packages that i dont want to install |
| 12:25.46 | mdupont | i have turned on the sys/net/.../ip_forward |
| 12:25.48 | valdyn | panda: /etc/passwd? no idea. |
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| 12:26.22 | Blissex | xogon: well '/' for me should be between 4GB and 12GB, depending how much stuff one wants to install (no X? X and one desktop environment? The kitchen sink?) |
| 12:26.30 | Cabbage | pestil3nce> "apt-get remove" the ones you don't want to install? |
| 12:26.35 | eka | hi all |
| 12:26.42 | panda | Cabbage, ah, i thought .pwd.lock stands for /bin/pwd valdyn |
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| 12:26.46 | xogon | hehe |
| 12:27.02 | mdupont | Cabbage, how can i tell iptables to accept all things for now? |
| 12:27.08 | Cabbage | Blissex> Holy moley! My / is only 471 Mb (and only 263 is used). |
| 12:27.18 | Cabbage | mdupont> Flush the rules. |
| 12:27.24 | mdupont | INPhow can i do that? |
| 12:27.33 | Blissex | Cabbage: depends on how large is your disk and how maniacal you are in installing packages.... :-) |
| 12:27.34 | mdupont | i know how to delete one rule with -D |
| 12:27.45 | mdupont | and also, i can use iptables-restore to load them |
| 12:27.46 | pzn | hi! does anyone have a hint for me? I need to know the bandwidth used my each internal host that is passing throu my gateway to internet... any package, tool, howto... |
| 12:27.57 | Cabbage | mdupont> PAGER="less +/-F" man iptables |
| 12:28.02 | Blissex | Cabbage: note that my '/' includes '/usr' |
| 12:28.10 | Cabbage | Blissex> ah |
| 12:28.15 | mdupont | i have a *name and a *filter command set in the rules |
| 12:28.27 | Cabbage | Blissex> You're right. My /usr is 6Gb. |
| 12:28.33 | Charmy | paulswm: Okay, i have the image burned onto a CD. however, either this machine doesn't support booting from a CDROM, or the CDROM is not bootable in the first place. in eithre case, how do i begin installation? |
| 12:28.37 | sky0 | mdupont: iptables -F && iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT (same for OUTPUT and FORWARD) |
| 12:28.48 | mdupont | do i need both filter and nat? |
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| 12:29.07 | Blissex | Cabbage: lets see, I have got >3000 packages installed ('dpkg -l | wc -l') on my home PC, and my '/' is pretty full at 8GB. |
| 12:29.32 | mdupont | can i just say *filter\nINPUT ACCEPT\nOUTPUT ACCEPT\n etc? |
| 12:29.35 | Cabbage | Blissex> Heh, I have only half that. |
| 12:29.51 | Cabbage | Blissex> Mind you, I have a 9Gb /home |
| 12:29.53 | Blissex | Cabbage: however on my remote web server, no X etc., but still a few bits, '/' takes around 1GB (about 500 packages). |
| 12:29.58 | sky0 | mdupont: if you have a subnet behind your server: yes, you do. filter is used to drop packets, nat to allow the other computers access to the net. |
| 12:30.27 | sky0 | mdupont: no you can only specify one chain name at a time; do the iptables -P $CHAIN ACCEPT for each chain once. |
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| 12:31.10 | fbz | Cabbage, is there any way install gcc, if i get an error about broken packages, and apt-get -f install didn't install anything? |
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| 12:31.22 | panda | Cabbage, valdyn I can still run vipw to edit passwd with .pwd.lock there, what's wrong? |
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| 12:31.25 | Charmy | xogon: Do you know how to begin the sarge install from a CD? |
| 12:31.34 | Cabbage | fbz> Yes, but you have to figure out how you got a set of broken packages and fix it. |
| 12:31.36 | mdupont | -P? sky0-? |
| 12:32.29 | xogon | Charmy: ? |
| 12:32.36 | mdupont | ahh, policy accpt |
| 12:32.41 | xogon | Charmy: boot from it? |
| 12:32.44 | sky0 | mdupont: the cmd "iptables -P $CHAIN ACCEPT" sets the policy for that chain; means if no other rules apply, do this (ACCEPT); flush "iptables -F" removes all other rules (but leaves the policy as it is) |
| 12:32.51 | fbz | Cabbage, so i should probably change the sources for apt? |
| 12:32.53 | Charmy | xogon: I don't think this machine supports booting from CD-ROm |
| 12:32.54 | mdupont | i have all theat |
| 12:32.54 | jethro | mdupont: iptables -A $CHAIN -P ACCEPT |
| 12:32.55 | mdupont | now |
| 12:33.00 | Charmy | xogon: Its not an option in the BIOS |
| 12:33.09 | Charmy | xogon: Then again, the BIOS on this machine sucks horribly. |
| 12:33.20 | xogon | Charmy: it might. maybe you have to go into the BIOS setup and change the boot device order? |
| 12:33.31 | Charmy | xogon: Thats just it. there is no boot device order option |
| 12:33.37 | sky0 | jethro: that works, too? never did it that way |
| 12:33.53 | mdupont | jethro, cannot us -P and -A at the same time |
| 12:34.00 | panda | Cabbage, valdyn why vipw doesn't remove its lock file? |
| 12:34.01 | xogon | Charmy: there might be a boot floppy image on the CD that you can use to bootstrap the CD drive |
| 12:34.09 | Cabbage | fbz> Yes, unless "apt-get dist-upgrade" helps. See also http://www.desktop-linux.net/apt-get.htm |
| 12:34.22 | jethro | sky0: my bad, iptables must've changed since last time I used it, or I m mixing with ipchains |
| 12:34.29 | jethro | mdupont: do what sky0 said, I screwed up :) |
| 12:34.33 | Cabbage | panda> I think it normally does. If vipw isn't still running, perhaps it was forcibly killed last time it ran. |
| 12:34.35 | mdupont | ok, i have alread |
| 12:34.41 | mdupont | all the accept going |
| 12:34.45 | mdupont | let me see if it works |
| 12:35.04 | mdupont | no, |
| 12:35.09 | xogon | Charmy: yeah there is |
| 12:35.10 | mdupont | ok, i got to stop for now. |
| 12:35.12 | mdupont | this sux |
| 12:35.18 | fbz | Cabbage, ok, thanks for the help |
| 12:35.23 | xogon | Charmy: look under /tools/ and you'll see some stuff... |
| 12:35.45 | Cabbage | fbz> See also http://www.desktop-linux.net/apt-get.htm |
| 12:35.45 | Charmy | xogon: Yes, I see some 'stuff'.. |
| 12:36.03 | mdupont | tahnks sky and cabbage |
| 12:36.06 | mdupont | be back later |
| 12:36.29 | xogon | ChanServ: rwwritwin.zip is rawrite which you can dump a floppy image to a floppy disk. now where is the floppy image.... ? |
| 12:36.43 | sky0 | jethro: probably ipchains |
| 12:36.47 | panda | Cabbage, i just vipwd and :q, the lock file still there |
| 12:37.01 | jethro | sky0: I m trying to find some old iptables init.d script I was used to to confirm :) |
| 12:37.01 | Charmy | xogon: Yeah, I've used rawwrite before.. but as for the floppy image, i don't see any .bin or .img.. i'll keep looking |
| 12:37.05 | SDFH_Linux | can anyone help me i cant put mplayer on my debian sarge without uinstalling it seems a lot of programs any reason for this? |
| 12:37.34 | Charmy | xogon: Ah, sbm.bin |
| 12:37.34 | xogon | ChanServ: isolinux/isolinux.bin ?? don't quote me on that... |
| 12:37.37 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 12:37.37 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 12:37.48 | jethro | sky0: I mixed -P and -j, my bad :) |
| 12:37.49 | valdyn | SDFH_Linux: using this ^^^^^? |
| 12:38.03 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 12:38.14 | valdyn | SDFH_Linux: what dpkg sais |
| 12:38.18 | azreal | SDFH_Linux: reconfigure/recompile the package |
| 12:38.20 | xogon | Charmy: ah yes, you are right |
| 12:38.21 | Jenns | !ati drivers |
| 12:38.21 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 12:38.31 | Charmy | xogon: Cool, i'll give it a try |
| 12:38.40 | SDFH_Linux | do you guys have the debian servers for mplayer so i can try to get it |
| 12:38.54 | Zenethian | I do |
| 12:38.57 | valdyn | SDFH_Linux: so read what dpkg said |
| 12:39.19 | Zenethian | but, yeah, dpkg just told ya. heh |
| 12:39.39 | jethro | !tell SDFH_Linux about marillat |
| 12:39.41 | azreal | SDFH_Linux: your supposed to follow the docs that are shipped with the mplayer source to build your own .deb file |
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| 12:39.50 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 12:40.10 | jethro | azreal: you can also (tho I d not recommend it) use existing .debs packaged by marillat |
| 12:40.25 | Knight_Lord | is marillat server up? |
| 12:40.47 | sky0 | jethro: no problem; who cares about the correct syntax to programs anyway *g*; that's something each person has to find out alone;-) |
| 12:40.49 | jethro | it's not his, it's his ISP's, and yes |
| 12:40.55 | jethro | sky0: indeed :) |
| 12:41.12 | Knight_Lord | i see they changed url |
| 12:41.22 | jethro | Knight_Lord: it's no longer @ ftp.nerim.net ? |
| 12:41.54 | jethro | sky0: anyways, real men don't use iptables for firewalling/nat, they use pf ;) |
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| 12:42.44 | Knight_Lord | jethro it's at ftp.nerim.net. It's no longer at the old address |
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| 12:42.58 | jethro | Knight_Lord: it's been a while since it's hosted @ nerim.net |
| 12:44.01 | Charmy | xogon_away: Hm, the smart boot manager doesn't seem to work. I get an error when it ry to boto the CDROM saying "Disk error! 0xAA" |
| 12:44.10 | Charmy | xogon_away: Seems like my problems are without end =/ |
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| 12:44.24 | Gumby | can anyone tell me where I might look into stopping pcmcia from disabling an IRQ? |
| 12:44.37 | xogon_away | Charmy: then i guess you need the floppies |
| 12:44.55 | Charmy | xogon_away: Darn.. =/ guess that was a waste of a CD. |
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| 12:45.29 | xogon_away | Charmy: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy |
| 12:46.15 | sky0 | jethro: I wasn't aware that pf is available as a deb? Please tell where you found it! Or are we talking about non-debian? In that case, we certainly be flamed of this chan, if we continue... |
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| 12:46.26 | jethro | sky0: it isn't |
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| 12:46.51 | jethro | sky0: it was a joke but still pf is superior :p |
| 12:47.17 | sky0 | jethro: damn; guess even if it was, it wouldn't work without major kernel hacking anyway. |
| 12:47.33 | Charmy | xogon_away: do I want all 4 disks? |
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| 12:47.44 | jethro | sky0: wait until debian/BSD has it *evil laughs* |
| 12:48.22 | Knight_Lord | debian/BSD is not completely unrealistic |
| 12:48.27 | naim | hi, eth0 shows with a different mac on my machine. Different than any other liveCD or operating system. i still cant trace the reason |
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| 12:48.35 | naim | help please |
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| 12:48.44 | jethro | Knight_Lord: word, less unrealistic then a production HURD release :) |
| 12:48.55 | Knight_Lord | jethro see ;-) |
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| 12:50.12 | pzn | can I use netstat to calculate the rate of a connection? |
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| 12:50.27 | jethro | pzn: that would be a pain |
| 12:50.37 | Gumby | pzn: you could try something like iptraf |
| 12:50.49 | dud | !dpkg find xvidcap |
| 12:50.50 | jethro | pzn: look at the /proc entries of the interface you want to monitor, if you can't or don't want extra software that do it |
| 12:50.59 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xvidcap' returned no results. |
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| 12:51.24 | Charmy | xogon_away: the boot with the floppy disks failed =/ |
| 12:51.27 | dud | isnt xvidcap for video capturing xservers? |
| 12:51.33 | Gumby | iptraf is a great tool. you can see exactly which roomate (via mac addy) is hogging all the network badwidth |
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| 12:53.40 | pzn | Gumby, is iptraf able to be used in scripts? |
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| 12:54.09 | pzn | jethro, "man 4 proc" can give me proc, but not proc/net details... |
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| 12:54.30 | Gumby | pzn: like what sort of script? |
| 12:54.32 | Bramme | getting weird error while compiling kernel 2.6.10 : http://www.pastebin.com/237999 |
| 12:56.11 | pzn | Gumby, I need to write a script that logs every computer traffic per minute that goes to gateway. Later, I'll have a cgi/html pages to show the traffic logs. |
| 12:56.12 | jethro | pzn: look at /proc/net/dev |
| 12:56.21 | jethro | pzn: not the manpage, the file itself |
| 12:57.03 | ningo | http://legion.gibbering.net/misterx/troutwar.php?s=ningo |
| 12:57.03 | pzn | jethro, it has the traffic per interface, not the traffic per connection. :-( |
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| 12:57.31 | eka | hi all |
| 12:57.36 | E-bola | Hi all |
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| 12:57.58 | E-bola | Can anybody help me fiogure out why user keep hangin in my systems if they close their telnet connection wrong |
| 12:58.00 | E-bola | and how to solve it? |
| 12:58.17 | eka | i'm having troubles configuring my sound card is an intel 865PERL mobo with AC97 sound system... is recognized by the kernel but no sound in Gnome |
| 12:58.46 | jethro | pzn: then I don't know if it's possible without using some tool like iptraf |
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| 12:59.16 | scarynetworkguy | !tell eka about sound |
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| 13:00.00 | pzn | does anyone know a tool similar to iptraf that is not ncurses and can be used in scripts? |
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| 13:00.51 | cahoot | pzn: tcpdump? |
| 13:01.10 | Gumby | pzn: you can log using iptraf. then you could write a script to parse the log into what you'd need for your xml page |
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| 13:04.25 | Stew2 | I just killed webmin. I run ubuntu hoary with all the latest wizbang updates. I changed webmin's setting for timeout from 5 minutes to 20 and I can't get it started again. |
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| 13:05.33 | scarynetworkguy | Stew2: /j #ubuntu |
| 13:05.59 | eka | !tell eka about sound |
| 13:06.16 | eka | scaryneteork: how to install a mixer? |
| 13:07.05 | scarynetworkguy | eka: apt-get install the-mixer-you-want |
| 13:07.37 | eka | scary: i mean driver for the sound card |
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| 13:08.14 | scarynetworkguy | eka: Does lsmod show the module loaded? |
| 13:08.39 | scarynetworkguy | eka: Also please use tab completion. |
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| 13:09.01 | eka | mmm yes |
| 13:09.13 | eka | tab completion? |
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| 13:09.57 | scarynetworkguy | On nicks. scary<tab> will complete a nick, in this case mine, for you. Makes it easier to track on a convo. |
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| 13:10.34 | eka | scary: when i try to open volume control it says "Sorry, no mixers elements and/or devices found" |
| 13:11.10 | PitchforkLinux | Hi all getting ready to build a new debian box out of parts. I have two cpu's ... a 2.0 gig celeron or a 1.6 gig p4... which will be better in terms of Debian |
| 13:11.38 | scarynetworkguy | eka: Have you done what the bot told you to do? |
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| 13:12.01 | eka | yep |
| 13:12.06 | scarynetworkguy | eka: Better even than that. Have you read the bit about sound in the FAQ? |
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| 13:12.17 | scarynetworkguy | eka: OK. So on a lsmod what module is loaded? |
| 13:12.43 | eka | snd_mixer_oss |
| 13:12.46 | eka | snd |
| 13:12.52 | eka | etc.. |
| 13:13.00 | pestil3nce | Cabbage: Anybody know any graphical configuration tool for apache1 or apache2? |
| 13:13.01 | scarynetworkguy | eka: Are you in the audio group? |
| 13:13.07 | eka | yes |
| 13:13.14 | pestil3nce | cabbage, sry, didnt mean to write to you |
| 13:13.26 | scarynetworkguy | eka: Did you log out and log back in after adding yourself to said group? |
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| 13:13.36 | eka | mmm |
| 13:13.41 | eka | no sound group |
| 13:13.45 | wilking8 | do yoou speaak french |
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| 13:14.00 | eka | cause i didi adduser eka sound - and it says that already in sound group |
| 13:14.06 | supaman | !french |
| 13:14.06 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 13:14.14 | eka | but cat in /etc/group no sound group |
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| 13:14.44 | eka | audio group is there |
| 13:14.46 | scarynetworkguy | eka: Did I ask about a sound group? |
| 13:15.01 | eka | sorry audio is there and i'm there from the begining |
| 13:15.11 | eka | didnt have to add myself |
| 13:15.37 | scarynetworkguy | eka: And do you have a mixer? |
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| 13:15.52 | supaman | eka: so the groups command says you are in the audio group? |
| 13:16.01 | eka | yes |
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| 13:17.11 | Nightie | Hi! |
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| 13:17.47 | Jenns | !make ati easy please :-( |
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| 13:18.50 | findme | How big a firewire external hard drive is supported by linux1394 ? |
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| 13:22.12 | xogon_away | findme: sd_mod sbp2 scsi_mod ochi1394 ieee1394 |
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| 13:22.36 | xogon_away | findme: then mount sda1 or whatever |
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| 13:23.04 | findme | xogon_away, k, thanks. but I don't have the drive, i was gathering information as to how big it can be ? |
| 13:23.25 | Coke | I have jackd running and jack-rack is setup with an amplifier, how can I make jack input from my ALSA line-in hw? |
| 13:23.34 | xogon_away | findme: oh how big? i don't know. i have a 200GB |
| 13:24.13 | Knight_Lord | findme: i don't think there is a limit |
| 13:24.19 | findme | xogon_away, sweet , no complaints I guess. |
| 13:24.23 | cahoot | Coke: maybe this can be of use http://users.sarai.net/~ish/contents.html |
| 13:24.29 | findme | Knight_Lord, I see. thanks. |
| 13:24.52 | findme | I was trying my DV to work with firewire but so far only the controls seem to be working :-( |
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| 13:25.26 | findme | xogon, k thanks. |
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| 13:25.47 | Coke | cahoot: do you know of a software that is smaller than ardour that simply records from an input device and sends it to jack? |
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| 13:26.17 | Coke | cahoot: all I want to do is process some audio through the jack-rack realtime, I don't want a fancy editor. |
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| 13:26.23 | eka | i do a cat /asound/cards and it says NO CARDS |
| 13:26.30 | eka | i do a cat /proc/asound/cards and it says NO CARDS |
| 13:26.36 | Coke | cahoot: I used to do this through ecamegapedal, but I'd like to try to do it via jack to reduce latency. |
| 13:27.02 | ralf | Hi! |
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| 13:28.19 | cahoot | Coke: ecasound can use jack |
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| 13:29.08 | cahoot | Coke: http://www.saunalahti.fi/jahalt/linuxaudio/djing_tips.html |
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| 13:30.20 | Coke | cahoot: I found something called creox which is specifically designed for instrumental effects. I'm going to check it out. I'd prefer non-GUI variants of jack-rack and recording applications. |
| 13:30.41 | cahoot | Coke: ecasound is non-gui |
| 13:31.06 | randey | while compiling kernel with "make xconfig", it is giving the error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt". What package needed for this? |
| 13:31.11 | timday | anyone know whether it's possible to build a static-linked Qt app on sarge ? Woody used to have libqt-mt.a (libqt3-mt.a?) but sarge only has the shared libs so far as I can see (although somehow there is a static-linked Opera). |
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| 13:32.57 | Coke | cahoot: oh, excellent. anyhow, I'm all confused on how jackd works. the sound devices are named alsa_pcm:capture1 and 2 instead of the real ALSA device names. I have no idea what I'm doing. Also, it seems I have devices only from one soundcard, but it's difficult to tell since the jack devices aren't named anything like the ALSA ones. |
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| 13:33.21 | anti-windows | heh - anyone else here get server error 'unable to open file.' when trying to fetch something with apt? |
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| 13:34.11 | BucWheat | howdy all |
| 13:34.29 | BucWheat | should i install woody or sarge for apache/perl/mysql production server ? |
| 13:34.43 | BucWheat | and what does Sarge Base+Standard frozen mean ? |
| 13:34.49 | anti-windows | BucWheat: im using Sarge. works fine |
| 13:34.56 | asg | BucWheat: only bugfixes go into base and standard now |
| 13:35.00 | Blissex_ | BucWheat: good question, by now I would say either Sarge or Woody + backports. |
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| 13:35.12 | Blissex_ | BucWheat: probably Sarge... |
| 13:35.45 | BucWheat | cool. sarge it is then |
| 13:35.52 | asg | BucWheat: sarge will leave you with a security latency over woody |
| 13:35.55 | BucWheat | what is the command i issue when sarge goes final ? |
| 13:36.12 | BucWheat | asg so i'll have to install security fixes myself ? |
| 13:36.14 | asg | BucWheat: nothing, just make sure testing is replaced with 'sarge' in your sources |
| 13:36.25 | asg | BucWheat: well, it takes them time to filter from sid |
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| 13:36.53 | BucWheat | k |
| 13:36.55 | timday | sarge will be the new stable any day^H^H^Hyear now. |
| 13:36.58 | asg | BucWheat: usually 2 to 10 days so if a critical bug is found in sarge and it is impossible to immediately install the sid fixed package, you will be vunlerable for that period of time. |
| 13:37.02 | Blissex_ | BucWheat: yes, you should follow the security fix situation explicitly... |
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| 13:37.28 | BucWheat | k. i'm d/l'ing the netinst cd now |
| 13:37.44 | spoopin | asg: greetings |
| 13:37.47 | asg | spoopin: morning |
| 13:37.52 | Smurg | I accidentally removed aptitude using apt-get remove aptitude, i have the package on CD , how do I edit the sources.list to read CD drive, and also how do I reconfigure a package once its installed? |
| 13:38.00 | asg | spoopin: do you still have a copy the apps you sent in? |
| 13:38.15 | spoopin | asg: yeah, I think so.. |
| 13:38.40 | asg | spoopin: cool, HR rejected them so I need a copy so we can do some creative editing and resubmit. |
| 13:38.49 | asg | !kill HR |
| 13:39.18 | spoopin | asg: quite.. I have the most relevant bits.. that doesn't bode well though.. |
| 13:39.23 | Smurg | what do I add to sources.list to make it read the CD drive?? |
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| 13:39.35 | Blissex_ | Smurg: 'man apt-cdrom' |
| 13:39.38 | asg | spoopin: we'll talk about it either today or tomorrow over beer or whatnot. |
| 13:39.50 | Blissex_ | Smurg: but just try 'apt-get install aptitude' |
| 13:40.01 | asg | spoopin: it was just a matter of wording. |
| 13:40.13 | Blissex_ | Smurg: if you have an online souce it will just work, and quickly, as the 'aptitude' package is fairly small. |
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| 13:40.35 | Smurg | Blissex : I dont know what to add to sources.list to make it go online too!1 |
| 13:40.43 | Smurg | Blissex : my sources.list is empty |
| 13:40.58 | Blissex_ | Smurg: the default 'sources.list' should work... How is yours empty? |
| 13:41.14 | Smurg | Blissex : I fooled around with vi editor |
| 13:41.22 | Blissex_ | Smurg: download my sample 'sources.list' from http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ |
| 13:41.37 | BucWheat | well thanks all. laters |
| 13:41.52 | Blissex_ | Smurg: that should work just find. Make sure you also download the 'apt.conf' file there and change the version name to the one you want. |
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| 13:42.09 | zappit | noob here, how do install libdbus-cil? im trying to get beagle working. |
| 13:42.37 | Smurg | Blissex : How do i reconfigure aptitude , i mean i got that graphical setup thingy when i was installing sarge, how do I get that? |
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| 13:42.55 | Blissex_ | Smurg: 'dpkg-reconfigure' |
| 13:43.02 | Blissex_ | Smurg: but which graphical thingie? |
| 13:43.20 | Smurg | Just like the debian setup with keyboard up-down and enter |
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| 13:43.36 | Smurg | Blissex : where you can select your sources |
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| 13:43.44 | Blissex_ | Smug: if it is 'debconf', you can also 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' |
| 13:43.59 | Smurg | well im sure i removed aptitude :) |
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| 13:44.09 | elenore | turk kimse warmý acaba ya |
| 13:44.33 | Zenethian | lrnu, jung ur fnvq. |
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| 13:44.53 | Blissex_ | Smurg: just download the 'sources.list' and 'apt.conf' from my URL, and 'apt-get install aptitude'. You might also want to 'apt-get install synaptic' which is nice like 'aptitude' but with an X guy. |
| 13:44.56 | elenore | turk kimse warmý acaba ya |
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| 13:44.57 | Blissex_ | Smurg: just download the 'sources.list' and 'apt.conf' from my URL, and 'apt-get install aptitude'. You might also want to 'apt-get install synaptic' which is nice like 'aptitude' but with an X GUI |
| 13:45.12 | Zenethian | elenore: english? :-) |
| 13:45.21 | Smurg | Blissex : I see..cool...but why do I need apt.conf? |
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| 13:45.48 | elenore | turk kimse warmý acaba ya |
| 13:45.51 | wishie | im getting errors from dpkg-preconfigure, is anyone else experiencing this ? i just updated to latest unstable |
| 13:45.53 | Blissex_ | Smurg: to pin your Debian edition level, as the 'sources.list' contains source for all three |
| 13:46.03 | Blissex_ | elenore: turkish is #turklug, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
| 13:46.09 | Smurg | oh...mine is sarge |
| 13:46.15 | Smurg | so what do i change in apt.conf |
| 13:46.18 | Smurg | i say testing? |
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| 13:46.37 | Blissex_ | Smurg: what you change in 'apt.conf' is pretty obvious. You can put in either 'testing' or 'sarge'... |
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| 13:47.01 | Smurg | Blissex : thanks |
| 13:48.25 | Sethan0n | how do i build an iso from the installer cd image files |
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| 13:49.17 | valdyn | Sethan0n: hmm? you download _one_ iso and burn just one |
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| 13:49.36 | sanxiyn | yahoo2mbox love |
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| 13:51.05 | ciphergoth | When buildig a kernel, if I tell it I have a k8, will it build a 64-bit kernel? |
| 13:51.16 | Zenethian | yes |
| 13:51.26 | Zenethian | since that is what a K8 is. :) |
| 13:51.41 | Sethan0n | valdyn: would make it a lil easier hey :) but considering theres just initrd.gz, vmlinuz ... |
| 13:51.45 | ciphergoth | but my k8 is running a 32-bit kernel right now |
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| 13:52.01 | Sethan0n | valdyn: /debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/2.6 |
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| 13:52.46 | valdyn | !d-i |
| 13:52.46 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 13:53.03 | valdyn | Sethan0n: follow that link to install sarge |
| 13:53.21 | Sethan0n | valdyn: thnx :) appreciated |
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| 13:53.36 | wishie | anyone else experiencing error messages from dpkg-preconfigure, when installing packages via apt-get ? |
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| 13:53.47 | valdyn | Sethan0n: unstable images are likely autobuilt and can be missing or broken at any time |
| 13:53.53 | ciphergoth | Zenethian: I want to build a 32-bit kernel optimized for my k8 processor - is that a crazy thing to want to do? |
| 13:53.58 | Zenethian | yes |
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| 13:54.06 | ciphergoth | Zenethian: why? |
| 13:54.08 | Zenethian | because that is the same thing as a K7 build. :) |
| 13:54.37 | Zenethian | so if you want an optimized 32 bit kernel for an AMD64, use the K7 build option. |
| 13:54.41 | valdyn | ciphergoth: you get a 32 bit kernel that is optimised for k8 |
| 13:54.52 | valdyn | ciphergoth: building a 64 bit kernel would required cross compiling |
| 13:55.00 | ciphergoth | Zenethian: Is it? Surely there must be other differences between a k7 and a k8 besides the 64-bit instructions? |
| 13:55.17 | Zenethian | probably, but my guess is that it's as good as it gets. |
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| 13:55.42 | troffasky | why would AMD develop the 32 bit stuff further when they're concentrating on 64bit? |
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| 13:56.21 | ciphergoth | troffasky: they might not. In fact, some 32-bit instructions might even get slower. The optimizer would need to know that. |
| 13:56.24 | wishie | bring back 16bit computing! |
| 13:56.26 | valdyn | it has nothing to do with "developing further" but with what stuff is a cpus strength compared to others and what isnt |
| 13:56.39 | Zenethian | bring back 8bit computing! |
| 13:56.40 | ciphergoth | 16 bits? We used to dream of having 16 bits! |
| 13:56.47 | R4Ndom | Could somebody please help me install Debian 3.0r4 for i386? |
| 13:56.48 | wishie | heh |
| 13:56.51 | utaro | hmm.. hi |
| 13:56.51 | ciphergoth | 8 bits would have been a palace to us. |
| 13:57.00 | Zenethian | R4Ndom: what is your question? |
| 13:57.01 | utaro | Using Debian Woody 3.0 : having a problem installing cups samba to work using cupsaddsmb command |
| 13:57.12 | jon_kare | anybody had problems with ps/2 mice on sid? |
| 13:57.23 | Zenethian | ciphergoth: go back and play with your punchcards and be quiet. ;) |
| 13:57.30 | R4Ndom | Well, firts off, Debian has a destop Gnome environment, correct? |
| 13:57.33 | gose | which deb package contains vim source code highlighting? |
| 13:57.35 | ciphergoth | There we were, serving a dynamic website hit by Slashdot, we only had one bit between us and you had to blow on it before it would go to 0 |
| 13:57.36 | zakame | taht would do |
| 13:57.42 | utaro | Output from cupsaddsmb >>> Running command: rpcclient localhost -N -U'user%xxxx' -c 'addprinter epl5800l epl5800l "epl5800l" ""' .... addprinter epl5800l epl5800l "epl5800l" "" |
| 13:57.42 | utaro | result was NT code 0xc000070a |
| 13:57.42 | Zenethian | R4Ndom: yes. |
| 13:57.57 | gose | er.. syntax highlighting |
| 13:58.18 | R4Ndom | Okay.. I thought I was installing everything correctly, but it did not load the desktop at all.. |
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| 13:58.29 | Zenethian | R4Ndom: did you install gdm? |
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| 13:59.29 | R4Ndom | Not sure.. I'm rather new to Linux. Let me go through it again and I'll keep in touch.. Also, I should start with disk 2? |
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| 13:59.54 | utaro | Hmm, anyone managed to setup a Samba shared printer driver on Woody before? |
| 14:00.07 | ShadowJK | ciphergoth, there are more registers in 64 bit mode, too |
| 14:00.40 | ciphergoth | ShadowJK: and those registers are accessible in 32-bit mode? |
| 14:00.45 | ShadowJK | no |
| 14:00.52 | ShadowJK | well |
| 14:00.55 | newbie | has anybody had any problems getting an initrd to work with HPTraid? I can't compile the driver into the kernel (2.4.29) as it barfs with an error when I compile it, and when I create an initrd it fails to boot (pivot_root no such file or directory etc). I can only get it to boot with an old debian kernel that is not even in the archvies any more |
| 14:01.04 | ShadowJK | did AthlonXP/MP have SSE2? |
| 14:01.09 | R4Ndom | Should I start the installation with disk 2? |
| 14:01.56 | esher | how can i disable some installed packages from apt that there never be updated again (ignore) when i do command apt-get upgrade ? |
| 14:02.45 | ciphergoth | Does the k8 have actual modes, like different personalities, or is it just a question of "now I'll use this old instruction, now I'll use this 64-bit instruction"? |
| 14:02.59 | R4Ndom | Zenethian, should I start the installation with disk 2? |
| 14:03.08 | ShadowJK | ciphergoth, i think it's mode... |
| 14:03.20 | Zenethian | uh, I have no idea, I guess? |
| 14:03.28 | Zenethian | I don't ever ever use the CD installer. |
| 14:03.32 | Arvind-NL | Does anyone know if it's possible to shrink fonts on a specific xterm window on the-fly? |
| 14:03.34 | R4Ndom | Oh. |
| 14:03.36 | ShadowJK | But all the old instructions can take 64 bit registers and such, I guess |
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| 14:04.30 | sanxiyn | esher: Hold it. |
| 14:05.30 | troffasky | has anyone else had problems when the drupal package upgrades? |
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| 14:06.58 | troffasky | whenever it upgrades, it wipes out the db |
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| 14:07.20 | frankster | why can I not compile the hptraid module into the kernel? and does anybody know why I cannot create an initrd that contains it that will boot ok? |
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| 14:08.25 | cahoot | Arvind-NL: try ctrl+right click |
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| 14:08.53 | nullvoid | hi all |
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| 14:09.27 | Arvind-NL | cahoot, perhaps there is a possibility to do this with keyboard shortcuts? |
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| 14:10.39 | R4Ndom | How should I partition for best performance? |
| 14:10.41 | nullvoid | my pc is using a router to connect to the net, I just load ddclient, but when I ping the dns I create it resolve at my private ip, how to get it to resolve at my public ip |
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| 14:11.07 | Zenethian | R4Ndom: one large partition always works for a desktop. You should use that as a beginner. |
| 14:11.07 | nullvoid | R4Ndom: no one partition for performance |
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| 14:11.33 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 14:11.43 | nullvoid | R4Ndom: the only partition which contribute to your performance will be your swap |
| 14:12.01 | Zenethian | yus.. and it requires you to create a separate one of those anyway. |
| 14:12.02 | BucWheat | how can i find out if this computer is "debian linux" compatible: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=56-115-014&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE ? |
| 14:12.05 | ribnitz | Anyone here a debian developer, but not a maintainer? |
| 14:12.07 | cahoot | Arvind-NL: shift-ctl numpad+ |
| 14:12.08 | R4Ndom | Okay. |
| 14:12.17 | ribnitz | ie without write access to the archives? |
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| 14:12.33 | Arvind-NL | cahoot, thnx :) |
| 14:12.45 | Zenethian | BucWheat: it looks OK, graphics might not perform well for games, but overall looks fine. |
| 14:12.50 | kaiowa | what c++ editor do u recomend me to start programinng curses??? |
| 14:13.10 | Zenethian | kaiowa: any editor is fine. |
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| 14:13.28 | Jenns | I like vim but thats me :-) |
| 14:13.28 | BucWheat | Zenethian thanks. and if it doesn't work do i come looking for you ? :) |
| 14:13.35 | Zenethian | haha, sure. |
| 14:13.37 | ribnitz | kaiowa: vim |
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| 14:13.46 | Zenethian | though there is no monitary guarantee ;) |
| 14:13.48 | resiak | kaiowa: ed |
| 14:13.52 | resiak | XD |
| 14:13.56 | Zenethian | ed works well. |
| 14:13.56 | ribnitz | kaiowa: alternatively emacs, whichever you like better. |
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| 14:14.02 | Jenns | mmmm ed |
| 14:14.10 | resiak | Or joe. |
| 14:14.17 | resiak | Or in fact any editor under the sun! |
| 14:14.19 | ribnitz | or nano.. |
| 14:14.20 | Zenethian | emacs, jed, ed, fred, vi, vim, xemacs, joe, pico, nano, |
| 14:14.26 | Coke | How can I add flags to a program started with the start-stop-daemon command? I'm trying to write a start/stop script. |
| 14:14.57 | resiak | Notepad *ducks8 |
| 14:15.06 | Zenethian | Coke: look at anything in /etc/init.d. It's a good place for examples of it's usage. |
| 14:15.11 | Zenethian | resiak: mmm wine. |
| 14:15.17 | Zenethian | edlin... |
| 14:15.20 | Zenethian | hehe |
| 14:15.21 | BucWheat | Zenethian would a 1.53Ghz amd processor and 512mb ram handle www/perl/mysql and generating graphs every 15s ? |
| 14:15.31 | BucWheat | all running on debian ? |
| 14:15.42 | Zenethian | BucWheat: um, what kinda graphs? |
| 14:15.51 | BucWheat | Zenethian xy graphs from gnuplot |
| 14:15.54 | Zenethian | and is that it's only task? |
| 14:16.06 | BucWheat | Zenethian and it acquires data from PCI data acquisition card |
| 14:16.10 | Zenethian | what kinda server load on apache? |
| 14:16.15 | BucWheat | 1-2 users |
| 14:16.15 | Jenns | meaning of life graphs or like y=2x ? |
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| 14:16.34 | Zenethian | what kinda data acquisition? does the card have linux drivers? |
| 14:16.34 | Jenns | ok |
| 14:16.37 | resiak | I think that the correct answer is "yes". |
| 14:16.40 | jhl | how can i erase a file that is in /etc/init.d ? so it wont start on boot |
| 14:16.42 | jhl | ? |
| 14:16.45 | BucWheat | Jenns like graphing access.log kinda of graph |
| 14:16.58 | Jenns | I'd imagine it would :-) |
| 14:17.06 | resiak | Zenethian: Don't mention wine until my headache subsides :) |
| 14:17.11 | Zenethian | jhl: don't erase it from /etc/init.d remove it from /etc/rcX.d |
| 14:17.14 | BucWheat | Zenethian yea it has linux drivers: http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct_new.asp?dept_id=353&pf_id=1492&mscssid=8EFVPAVBSE0R8KBHMLMRHL8DU0AAFP7A |
| 14:17.16 | Jenns | so long as the graph generation doesnt take to long |
| 14:17.18 | Zenethian | where X is your default runtmes. :) |
| 14:17.21 | Zenethian | BucWheat: neat. |
| 14:17.28 | Zenethian | resiak: beer? |
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| 14:17.35 | jhl | Zenethian: and how can i load a new one? |
| 14:17.45 | resiak | Zenethian: Beer's fine. I didn't drink an entire bottle of beer. |
| 14:17.45 | azreal | jhl: remove or "break" its link in /etc/rc?.d |
| 14:17.54 | BucWheat | Jenns do you think i should upgrade anything? if anything i could run out of ram right ? |
| 14:17.54 | ribnitz | Is there a rating system available to plug into xmms? |
| 14:17.58 | core | mmmmmmmmmmmmm... |
| 14:18.04 | core | ingleses |
| 14:18.05 | core | :) |
| 14:18.09 | core | no ablan español? |
| 14:18.13 | resiak | !es |
| 14:18.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:18.20 | BucWheat | Jenns i was currently doing my applicatoin on a single board computer 133mhz arm w/ 32mb ram :) |
| 14:18.20 | azreal | jhl: typically, that would be /etc/rc2.d |
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| 14:18.23 | utaro | Hmm, anyone managed to setup a [print$] share on Woody before? |
| 14:18.25 | Zenethian | jhl: ln -s /etc/init.d/yourfile /etc/rcX.d/SNNyourfile |
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| 14:18.34 | BucWheat | Jenns and when it hit swap it would crawlllll |
| 14:18.40 | R4Ndom | It asks me to preload essential modules from a floppy...? |
| 14:18.49 | Zenethian | jhl: man init, as well. |
| 14:18.50 | Jenns | well if it works well on that, then 512mb should be good for it :-) |
| 14:19.03 | BucWheat | Jenns heh, that is what i'm thinking and hoping for |
| 14:19.06 | jhl | thxs |
| 14:19.10 | Zenethian | BucWheat: hell, yeah it should be more than fine then.. hehe |
| 14:19.10 | BucWheat | only time will tell |
| 14:19.12 | Zenethian | but uhm |
| 14:19.15 | Zenethian | give me your arm computer, please. |
| 14:19.18 | Zenethian | ;-) |
| 14:19.23 | BucWheat | i'm selling for $200 |
| 14:19.35 | BucWheat | with enclosure, daq, and battery backed real time clock |
| 14:19.45 | Zenethian | :O |
| 14:19.51 | Zenethian | URL? |
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| 14:20.04 | BucWheat | let me give you manfuc. url |
| 14:20.07 | Jenns | !ati drivers |
| 14:20.07 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 14:20.18 | Phated | Heh, manfuc. |
| 14:20.26 | Zenethian | manfuc! |
| 14:20.27 | azreal | !qotd77 |
| 14:20.27 | dpkg | Klipper| i still cant find SHIT on booing from fleppy with sarge! |
| 14:20.31 | BucWheat | Zenethian http://embeddedarm.com/epc/ts7200-spec-h.html |
| 14:20.37 | Zenethian | haha |
| 14:20.43 | BucWheat | hehe i meant manufac. |
| 14:20.53 | Zenethian | wow, thats nice. |
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| 14:21.00 | Zenethian | what's the retail? |
| 14:21.13 | BucWheat | Zenethian its on the page. and it has cf card ejector on board |
| 14:21.25 | R4Ndom | While installing Debian, it says "No hard disk drive found"... |
| 14:21.52 | azreal | R4Ndom: what interface is you hd? |
| 14:22.08 | R4Ndom | I'm running it on a virtual machine.. |
| 14:22.10 | Zenethian | heh, thats neat. |
| 14:22.13 | BucWheat | Zenethian with everything i have it costs over 300 bucks |
| 14:22.19 | Zenethian | URL for the DAC for it? |
| 14:22.25 | BucWheat | hld on |
| 14:22.43 | BucWheat | its on the same page under pricing. |
| 14:22.56 | BucWheat | Zenethian it is just an 12-bit 8chan dac |
| 14:23.06 | BucWheat | Zenethian you'd have to look in manual for more specs |
| 14:23.07 | Zenethian | ah |
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| 14:23.11 | Zenethian | ok. |
| 14:23.13 | Zenethian | hmmmm |
| 14:23.31 | BucWheat | shoot me an email if you are seriously interested in purchasing |
| 14:23.34 | R4Ndom | Hmm... SCSI?? |
| 14:23.46 | Zenethian | wow, the Non-ARM ones are expensive. |
| 14:24.02 | Zenethian | BucWheat: ok, I will, actually. I might do that, maybe in a few weeks if you still have it. |
| 14:24.10 | Zenethian | R4Ndom: doubtful. |
| 14:24.16 | R4Ndom | ?? |
| 14:24.33 | BucWheat | Zenethian i know. |
| 14:24.36 | Zenethian | do you have a SCSI drive? heh |
| 14:24.41 | BucWheat | Zenethian i should still have |
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| 14:24.53 | Zenethian | BucWheat: alrighty... msg me your email addy and I'll keep ahold of it. :) |
| 14:24.57 | R4Ndom | I'm running VMware Workstation |
| 14:25.08 | R4Ndom | It "makes" a harddrive |
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| 14:25.24 | resiak | R4Ndom: Have you actually installed it? |
| 14:25.29 | resiak | R4Ndom: (Debian, that is.) |
| 14:25.46 | R4Ndom | No, I'm in the process of it. |
| 14:26.08 | resiak | R4Ndom: You need to tell it to use the installer ISO. If I'm stating the obvious, hit me. |
| 14:26.23 | jethro | !hit resiak |
| 14:26.28 | Zenethian | R4Ndom: in that case, choose no, for scsi. |
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| 14:27.13 | trenli | Hi, can anybody tell me in shortly, how to do, that when I have mail server with acount user@my.domain.tld, I want have on this server "database" (text file) with machines, from which I want to accepts emails, when they have in header From:user@my.domain.tld |
| 14:27.16 | trenli | and when come mail from any other host from internet with From:user@my.domain.tld ..then reject it |
| 14:27.37 | wishie | argh! im trying to compile xine on my athlon, for my EPIA (C3-2)..how can i tell the configure script (and Makefiles) to use -march=c3-2 instead of -march=athlon |
| 14:28.44 | jethro | trenli: choose the MTA you want to use, then /j their support channel once you've read their docs |
| 14:29.14 | notty | i have 2 sound boards: on the first (a via) i can run multiple sound aplications (xmms and gaim sounds in the same time) the other card is an creative ... and i can't to that on that card, how do i resolve this ? |
| 14:29.31 | trenli | jethro: postfix, I've alredy read, on #postfix everybody sleep |
| 14:29.50 | jethro | trenli: read better then, or wait until someone wakes up |
| 14:30.06 | trenli | jethro: :) |
| 14:30.13 | Coke | Is there some utility that will automatically start a process like a daemon. I've been looking at nohup, but it generates a stupid nohup.out. What else can be done? |
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| 14:30.49 | cahoot | notty: alsa? |
| 14:31.02 | notty | yes |
| 14:31.10 | troffasky | try esd |
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| 14:31.26 | jethro | notty: with alsa, use dmix |
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| 14:31.46 | cahoot | notty: what does /proc/asound/card1/pcm0c/info say about subdevices? |
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| 14:32.13 | findme | notty, i had the same problem, so what I did was removed the creative card altogether and started using "intel sound card". try alsamixer |
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| 14:32.36 | notty | subdevices_count: 1 |
| 14:32.47 | findme | notty, connect your speakers to the other jack and you may actually listen to some sound. |
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| 14:33.07 | cahoot | notty: for that card you need dmix or a soundserver |
| 14:33.25 | notty | what is dmix ? |
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| 14:33.33 | notty | is there a debian pkg for it ? |
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| 14:33.47 | cahoot | notty: built in for alsa |
| 14:33.56 | wishie | ARGH |
| 14:34.18 | wishie | im specifying CFLAGS to the configure script, but when i run 'make' it seems to override it.. |
| 14:34.25 | cahoot | notty: is card1 the creativ? |
| 14:34.41 | jethro | wishie: try CFLAGS=foo make |
| 14:34.42 | notty | no card0 is... |
| 14:34.44 | sunai | I'd like to configure a virtual interface eth1:0, with another public IP. Is there any way to predict which public IP my box will use when initiating a connection? eth1's x.x.x.11 or eth1:1's x.x.x.21? |
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| 14:34.55 | notty | but i pasted you from card0 |
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| 14:35.13 | R4Ndom | How do I create a swap during the installation at the partition screen? |
| 14:35.22 | wishie | jethro: it seems i was specifying -march=i686 and the Makefile is using -mcpu .. hmm |
| 14:35.30 | wishie | which one is taken as preference ? |
| 14:35.42 | jethro | ENOCLUE |
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| 14:36.32 | ribnitz | R4Ndom: partition, use as "Swapspace" |
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| 14:37.21 | cahoot | notty: about dmix/.asoundrc - http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php?company=Generic&card=Generic&chip=Generic&module=Generic |
| 14:37.48 | TNKS | hi, does anybody know of a GTK/Gnome printer GUI that's got some of the same functionality as kprinter? |
| 14:38.07 | ribnitz | TNKS: cups. :) |
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| 14:38.28 | wishie | ok, what is the easiest way to build a program on an athlon, to be optimised for a Via C3-2 ? |
| 14:38.32 | TNKS | ribnitz, isn't CUPS just the print manager? |
| 14:38.37 | wishie | specifying CFLAGS ? |
| 14:38.48 | ribnitz | TNKS: go to localhost:631. |
| 14:39.49 | TNKS | ribnitz, hmm, I think I'm not stating my question right. I'm running CUPS, but what KDE's kprinter offer's is an interface to choose a number of printer options graphically. |
| 14:40.10 | TNKS | instead of specifying everything at the command prompt. |
| 14:40.11 | R4Ndom | Should a swap be Primary of Logical? |
| 14:40.19 | RichiH | R4Ndom: no matter |
| 14:40.23 | ribnitz | R4Ndom: doesnt matter |
| 14:40.53 | ribnitz | TNKS: cups-lpd. most options will be common for all jobs no? |
| 14:41.00 | R4Ndom | Bootable? Maximized? |
| 14:41.03 | nulltank | what package has /usr/bin/play in it? is there any easy way to find this out? |
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| 14:41.14 | ribnitz | R4Ndom: users guide? |
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| 14:41.25 | ribnitz | nulltank: apt-file |
| 14:41.29 | troffasky | nulltank, try packages.debian.org |
| 14:41.31 | wishie | nulltank: sox i think |
| 14:41.43 | nulltank | thanks all |
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| 14:42.48 | TNKS | ribnitz, I've read about this cups-lpd package, but I couldn't find it in the Debian mirrors. |
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| 14:43.15 | ribnitz | TNKS: apt-get install it. |
| 14:44.16 | estel | i have a problem mounting an usb-stick (/dev/sdc). cat /dev/sdc returns datas that are on that stick, but i can't mount it. the kernel has vfat-support and vfat the fs on that stick. any ideas? |
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| 14:44.30 | vinay | so i've got knockd installed... is there a knockd-client ? |
| 14:44.31 | TNKS | ribnitz, the package doesn't seem to exist. |
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| 14:46.14 | azreal | the hour of slack kills me. :) |
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| 14:48.19 | leira | i am using DHCP to get IP, how can i change an IP? |
| 14:48.29 | caphuso | leira: you don't |
| 14:48.37 | leira | i used ifdown and then ifup~ |
| 14:48.41 | leira | it is the same~ |
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| 14:48.56 | quittt | why GNU/Linux and not Linux only |
| 14:49.13 | caphuso | quittt: because the FSF ph3ars linux |
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| 14:50.35 | ribnitz | quittt: linux is just a kernel, all the rest is unixoid, and hence mostly gnu tools |
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| 14:50.46 | resiak | estel: mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/foo |
| 14:51.00 | wishie | ive got that RMS speech here.. |
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| 14:51.13 | DuaneAllman | how do I build a package from a .dsc file which I've downloaded but is not in any deb-src repo in sorces.list? |
| 14:51.18 | wishie | when he came to brisbane, australia.. cost me $25 to go to it |
| 14:51.26 | wishie | i have to pay, to hear about freedom..heh |
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| 14:53.20 | ribnitz | wishie: you dont, its all on the website |
| 14:53.41 | resiak | estel: Any joy? |
| 14:53.53 | wishie | ribnitz: nah, it was great to see him in person though |
| 14:54.13 | ribnitz | wishie: so the AUD 25 were well spent. |
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| 14:54.20 | wishie | yeah, for sure |
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| 14:54.50 | wishie | when listening to him, face to face, you can really see/hear how much he believes in Freedom etc |
| 14:55.05 | wishie | sure, you can tell that from reading the page too, but nothing like when you hear him in person |
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| 14:55.29 | DuaneAllman | wishie, I had the same impression when I saw his speech here in ita |
| 14:55.36 | gianni | hi |
| 14:55.38 | wishie | bbs, smoke and a coke |
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| 14:55.48 | wishie | DuaneAllman: yeah, its good to hear it face to face, isnt it |
| 14:55.51 | gianni | i need an help |
| 14:55.54 | nulltank | wishie: it is sox, thx |
| 14:56.04 | resiak | estel: Well, just ignore the help I'm trying to give you, then. |
| 14:56.05 | vinay | how do i get knockd to act in a friendly manner with shorewall? .. do i have to get shroewall to log packets or reject them instead of drop them? |
| 14:56.06 | wishie | nulltank: no worries, but use packages.debian.org |
| 14:56.07 | wishie | heh |
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| 14:56.18 | wishie | nulltank: that page is your friend |
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| 14:57.17 | js_ | how can i check what ITR is set to for my e1000 card? |
| 14:57.20 | DuaneAllman | wishie, it's really good but I alsa I had the impression I was earing a prepackaged speech |
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| 14:57.52 | DuaneAllman | wishie, I saw the bast from him in the intaracive talk we had after the speech |
| 14:57.58 | DuaneAllman | s/bast/best |
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| 14:58.03 | wishie | yeah, well, when you tour around the place, saying the same stuff over and over, it can sound prepackged..heh |
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| 14:58.23 | wishie | yeah, he asked the audience if we had any questions etc |
| 14:58.26 | wishie | that was interesting |
| 14:58.37 | wishie | i think the first topic that was talked about, was DRM |
| 14:58.39 | wishie | heh |
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| 14:59.10 | ribnitz | wishie: we need DRM |
| 14:59.39 | js_ | how can i check which parameters a module is loaded with? |
| 14:59.45 | DuaneAllman | I don't think to have very clear what this drm is. anyone would like to explain me? |
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| 15:00.04 | wishie | as RMS says.. Digital Restrictions Management |
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| 15:00.24 | wishie | well, its actually Digital Rights Management |
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| 15:00.40 | jayduk | looking for advice - i've got a list of urls in a TXT file. Each one needs to be accessed once only, sequentially, at 30 minutes intervals. Any ideas what would be the best tool for the job (command line?) |
| 15:00.58 | resiak | jayduk: bash and wget? |
| 15:01.09 | resiak | jayduk: Or Perl and LWP. |
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| 15:01.32 | jayduk | heh - bash and wget - but i'm a noob at both |
| 15:01.36 | jhl | i want to update a vpopmail.init from my /etc/init.d/ to /etc/rc.2/ im trying like this update-rc.d vpopmail.init -f start but it wont work¿? how can i do it? |
| 15:01.38 | ribnitz | DuaneAllman: its the thing that makes sure you may do something before you do it. like listening to a music track, copying that dvd, perfroming that opera. |
| 15:01.42 | DuaneAllman | or maybe wget/gawk + sleep |
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| 15:02.15 | resiak | jayduk: Do you mean access all of them every 30 minutes? |
| 15:02.18 | DuaneAllman | ribnitz, some king of permission to do something |
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| 15:02.25 | DuaneAllman | s/king/kind |
| 15:02.42 | jayduk | resiak, nope, just 1 netry on the list every 30 minutes, then the next 30 mins later etc. etc. |
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| 15:03.10 | ribnitz | DuaneAllman: usually manifefests itself in broken/non-standard media, and the mudic industry soing everyone. |
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| 15:04.14 | ribnitz | s/mudic/nudist/g |
| 15:04.27 | wishie | i think DRM is spyware..heh |
| 15:04.40 | jetscreamer | direct rendering manager maybe |
| 15:05.00 | azreal | DuaneAllman: its the next generation of "them" trying to thwart those who may want to bootleg a copy of asteroids 2005. |
| 15:05.33 | wishie | well, it might be as secure as CSS is..heh |
| 15:05.35 | jetscreamer | oh that |
| 15:05.52 | quiet | umm.. can someone help me with this.. i'm trying to set up my printer.. |
| 15:06.00 | jetscreamer | digital rights media? |
| 15:06.04 | resiak | jayduk: One way to do it would be to write a program that reads the first line from the file, wgets it, then writes it back onto the end of the file, then run that program as a cron job. |
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| 15:06.12 | quiet | here's the output from trying to set up hijs |
| 15:06.14 | azreal | DuaneAllman: with a whole new selection of clever stumbleing blocks that they suppose noone will be clever enough to overcome. |
| 15:06.21 | ribnitz | wishie: as usual, it will prevent the accidental pirate, but not the bnig pirates. |
| 15:06.26 | Phated | jetscreamer: Digital rights management, I think. |
| 15:06.26 | quiet | debian:/home/josh/hpijs-1.7.1# ./configure --prefix=/usr |
| 15:06.26 | quiet | checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c |
| 15:06.26 | quiet | checking whether build environment is sane... yes |
| 15:06.26 | quiet | checking for gawk... gawk |
| 15:06.26 | quiet | checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes |
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| 15:06.37 | jayduk | resiak, sounds just what i want - thanks! |
| 15:06.39 | Phated | Not so quiet, was it. |
| 15:06.46 | spl0it | Hey everyone, this will sound weird, but if anyone has suggestions please speak up.. I'm out of ideas |
| 15:07.02 | resiak | jayduk: However, you do have to write the program :) If you know Perl or something similar, then it's about 5 lines. |
| 15:07.21 | DuaneAllman | jayduk, yes in perl will be really simple to do that |
| 15:07.26 | jayduk | i should be able to hack something together in python |
| 15:07.29 | jayduk | thx guys |
| 15:07.32 | jetscreamer | hey quiet i don't know if you noticed but you shouldn't do that |
| 15:07.39 | kaiowa | to compile and execute a example.cpp curses bases i type gcc example.ccp its right?? |
| 15:07.41 | jetscreamer | !tell quiet about enter |
| 15:07.52 | azreal | eventually you wont be able to breathe the air in zone a, without offending someone in zone b, and have to pay someone in zone c for infringeing on "air rights". |
| 15:07.54 | quiet | yeah.. it was apparent when i got kicked.... =P |
| 15:08.05 | quiet | sorry |
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| 15:08.19 | spl0it | After a reboot or changing video drivers, my mouse proceeds to have button lag in games... it lasts for around 5-10days and then 'starts working normally' I'm not sure what is causing this.. I've tried tweaking my mouse settings but can't seem to resolve it.. anyone have any suggestions? what things might be causing something like this? I've had this problem for a few months since I formated and installed linux only.. |
| 15:08.25 | resiak | jayduk: Best of luck. |
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| 15:08.41 | jcarr | guy |
| 15:08.41 | DuaneAllman | azreal, I don't see the evilness of this thing |
| 15:08.56 | jetscreamer | the death of p2p |
| 15:09.05 | Skaag | anyone knows if I need to do something special to enable nfs v3 in debian? I tried booting a diskless client with ",v3" and also with "nfsvers=3" in the kernel parameters, and it won't boot like that |
| 15:09.11 | jcarr | I got a problem... I apt-getted the kernel source, untarred it, and now I cannot rermove the directory, even as root! |
| 15:09.12 | jcarr | why? |
| 15:09.13 | resiak | DuaneAllman: Because it restricts legitimate uses of the media, while pirates will just get around it. |
| 15:09.19 | resiak | jcarr: rm -r ? |
| 15:09.35 | Babbage | jcarr> Read the error message. |
| 15:09.37 | jcarr | resiak,I know, doesnt work |
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| 15:09.58 | azreal | DuaneAllman: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 |
| 15:09.59 | jcarr | rm: cannot remove `kernel-source-2.6.10': Read-only file system |
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| 15:10.07 | quiet | rm -rf |
| 15:10.08 | jhl | i want to update a vpopmail.init from my /etc/init.d/ to /etc/rc.2/ im trying like this update-rc.d vpopmail.init -f start but it wont work¿? how can i do it? |
| 15:10.09 | Babbage | jcarr> there you go, that is the answer! |
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| 15:10.10 | resiak | jcarr: READ THE ERROR MESSAGE! |
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| 15:10.11 | jhl | i want to update a vpopmail.init from my /etc/init.d/ to /etc/rc.2/ im trying like this update-rc.d vpopmail.init -f start but it wont work¿? how can i do it? |
| 15:10.18 | jcarr | quiet, I typed that!!! |
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| 15:10.26 | quiet | it'smoutned as read-only |
| 15:10.28 | jcarr | resiak, why the hell is it read only!? |
| 15:10.32 | jetscreamer | remount it |
| 15:10.35 | jcarr | it's not monuted as read-inly |
| 15:10.41 | Phated | Yes, it is. |
| 15:10.42 | jcarr | it's not a mounted partition |
| 15:10.44 | wishie | mount -n -o remount,rw / |
| 15:10.45 | Babbage | jcarr> See /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab. |
| 15:10.47 | wishie | or whatever..heh |
| 15:10.59 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.13 | jcarr | heya, but tis not read only |
| 15:11.19 | resiak | jcarr: Type mount, and look. |
| 15:11.22 | quiet | did you do the command he tols you? |
| 15:11.26 | quiet | told* |
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| 15:11.34 | Babbage | jcarr> Do du -h kernel-source-2.6.10 |
| 15:11.49 | Babbage | jcarr> That will tell you which filesystem it is on. That is the read-only filesystem |
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| 15:12.07 | jcarr | /dev/hdc1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 15:12.08 | quiet | did anyone know why i would get that error running ./configure ? |
| 15:12.10 | Babbage | wishie> that might not be the right FS of course |
| 15:12.25 | jetscreamer | jcarr, is this as root? try sudo? |
| 15:12.26 | esher | want to install courier-imap-ssl, but apt-get will also install exim... how can i this disable ? i only need courier packages |
| 15:12.35 | wishie | Babbage: hence the "or whatever..heh" :P |
| 15:12.37 | resiak | quiet: Which error? |
| 15:12.44 | resiak | quiet: And _don't_ paste everything again. |
| 15:12.51 | quiet | lol.. |
| 15:12.52 | Babbage | quiet> the error message did not appear because you flooded the channel |
| 15:12.57 | quiet | ohh.. okay |
| 15:12.58 | wishie | jcarr: mount -n -o remount,rw / |
| 15:13.00 | quiet | i'll go to #flood |
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| 15:13.03 | wishie | do that, then try to delete that dir |
| 15:13.10 | xogon | we were having a discussion here about partition layout strategies. i have an idea: is it possible to just have a bunch of 2 GB partitions which can be allocated/unallocated to different filesystems according to size? |
| 15:13.11 | resiak | quiet: No, just paste the actual line with an error. |
| 15:13.24 | jcarr | Babbage, that just showed how much space each subdirt used, not the partition it was on |
| 15:13.27 | elirips | hello people. anybody knows a calculator for linux that can do RPN? |
| 15:13.31 | quiet | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 15:13.36 | paulswm | xogon: LVM |
| 15:13.41 | jeaneid | freeuo memeory? is there any utility. sometimes when I run a large job and exit free tells me that available memory is back to original but the system is so so slow????? |
| 15:13.41 | jetscreamer | i dunno what rpn is but qalculate is massive |
| 15:13.41 | xogon | for example, if / starts getting big, could i use LVM to unallocate a 2GB partition from /home and give it to / ? |
| 15:13.42 | asg | quiet: apt-get install build-essential |
| 15:13.42 | Babbage | jcarr> Sorry, I meant df -h kernel-source-2.6.10 |
| 15:13.43 | jcarr | wishie, but / is already mounted as rw |
| 15:13.43 | Phated | quiet: apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 15:14.01 | quiet | thank you |
| 15:14.01 | Babbage | xogon> Only if / is also LVM. |
| 15:14.04 | ribnitz | xogon: looked at lvm yet? |
| 15:14.04 | quiet | :) |
| 15:14.08 | jcarr | it's nounted on / |
| 15:14.10 | asg | jetscreamer: rpn is reverse polish notation |
| 15:14.13 | jcarr | but / is mounted as rw |
| 15:14.15 | jcarr | not ro |
| 15:14.18 | jeaneid | how can I make sure the system does garbage collection |
| 15:14.18 | jcarr | ??????????/ |
| 15:14.22 | paulswm | xogon: you can remove a physical volume from a volume group and assign it to another volume group |
| 15:14.28 | Babbage | jcarr> Not right now, typr "mount" and you should see it's mounted read-only |
| 15:14.31 | resiak | jeaneid: What?! |
| 15:14.37 | Phated | See the bit about "errors=remount-ro"? Maybe there were errors. |
| 15:14.41 | jcarr | Babbage, I did |
| 15:14.44 | quiet | anyone used enlightenments 'engage' bar? |
| 15:15.02 | paulswm | xogon: but first you have to move data off the physical volume to other volumes within that group |
| 15:15.04 | jcarr | /dev/hdc1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 15:15.09 | xogon | yeah i was thinking of using LVM for the entire drive. i can do that? have / LVM and /home LVM and just allocate 2GB chunks between them as necessary? |
| 15:15.12 | Babbage | jcarr> Oops, sorry, try "cat /proc/mounts" instead |
| 15:15.31 | paulswm | xogon: read the LVM howto is my best advice |
| 15:15.42 | jeaneid | resiak: sometimes when I run a huge job and kill it, free tells me that memory is free is back to normal but the system remains so slow? |
| 15:15.43 | Babbage | The /etc/mtab file is now on a ro filesystem and so can't be changed :) |
| 15:15.50 | jcarr | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 15:15.54 | resiak | jeaneid: It's moved a lot of stuff to swap while running your other job. When things are needed, they'll be unswapped. That's what the slowness is. It'll not last long. |
| 15:15.55 | jhl | how can i do an update-rc.d from my /etc/init.d to /etc/rc2 |
| 15:16.03 | jhl | how can i do an update-rc.d from my /etc/init.d to /etc/rc.2/ ¿? |
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| 15:16.07 | asg | jhl: read the manpage |
| 15:16.10 | asg | jhl: type update-rc.d -help |
| 15:16.16 | asg | s/-help/--help/ |
| 15:16.17 | jhl | i did and i di not understand |
| 15:16.21 | jetscreamer | jcarr, you're trying to rm as root right |
| 15:16.24 | Babbage | jeaneid> then that probably wasn't the problem, or perhaps it willjust take a while for the other affected programs to page their working sets in. |
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| 15:16.27 | jcarr | sorry for2 not just blindly running commands as told.. I'm just wanting to understand how a rw filesystem that is listed as such has become ro |
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| 15:16.36 | jcarr | jetscreamer, yes |
| 15:16.41 | xogon | paulswm: how do you move data off a physical volume (partition?) if it is already part of a LVM volume? |
| 15:16.46 | jcarr | I couldnt have bunzipped if I wasnt |
| 15:16.48 | paulswm | xogon: I create 40G partitions and allocate each partition to one volume group, then create logical volumes within the groups depending on which partition I want the data on, you can get too carried away with small partitions |
| 15:16.52 | jetscreamer | jcarr, what about the actual permissions on the file |
| 15:16.56 | jeaneid | resiak: things go blank for about 5 mins when I try to do anything and it is not for only a shrt time. I need to logoff andf log back on for things to go back to normal |
| 15:16.56 | ribnitz | is there some music rating and playing only selected songs thing for xmms? |
| 15:16.57 | asg | jhl: then use rcconf or ln(1) |
| 15:16.58 | Babbage | jcarr> Usually as a result of (1) sysdamin activity - not the case here or (2) a filesystem error |
| 15:17.03 | paulswm | xogon: the LVM howto explains it |
| 15:17.07 | jcarr | rwx for user |
| 15:17.12 | jhl | update-rc.d -n vpopmail.init star <--- wont work |
| 15:17.13 | jcarr | in this case, root |
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| 15:17.19 | jcarr | should I just reboot? |
| 15:17.25 | jcarr | or remount |
| 15:17.27 | Babbage | xogon: in any case, there is #lvm |
| 15:17.34 | jetscreamer | up2u |
| 15:17.36 | DuaneAllman | azreal, very interesting. I hope we'll not have something similar in europe. anyway, I am still not concened of its anti-constitutionality as this kuro5hin says |
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| 15:17.48 | xogon | right on. this seems like the best idea for dealing dynamically with disk allocation |
| 15:17.48 | resiak | jeaneid: Just leave it and let things get back to normal. Or, buy more ram. |
| 15:17.49 | jeaneid | babbage: so there is nothing I can do to make the process faste |
| 15:17.54 | Babbage | jcarr> remount is OK. Depends if you want to reboot anyway. But do an fsck sometime soon. |
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| 15:18.11 | jetscreamer | do shutdown -Fr now jcarr, if you do reboot |
| 15:18.11 | jcarr | I remounted |
| 15:18.21 | jcarr | it still wont let me remove it |
| 15:18.22 | Babbage | jeaneid> I'm sorry, you haven't asked a specific enough question for me to be able to help. |
| 15:18.22 | igraltist | jhl: update-rc.d -f vpopmail s 20 2 3 4 5 . s 20 1 6 . |
| 15:18.24 | paulswm | xogon: one bit of advice, don't bother putting / on LVM, if you are splitting off /usr and /var, root on lvm is a lot of trouble and not worth it, IMO |
| 15:18.30 | jcarr | my kernel source has become undead |
| 15:18.47 | Babbage | jcarr> Oh, sh1t. Do "stat <the-file-name-you-want-to-delete>". |
| 15:18.55 | Babbage | jcarr> then tell me the mode of the file. |
| 15:18.59 | DuaneAllman | azreal, I mean, I suppose US do have some insitution or organ to supervise the constitutionality of the laws before they're passed |
| 15:19.00 | jeaneid | babbage: Is there like a garbage collection utility for the whole system ? |
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| 15:19.06 | DuaneAllman | I mean, approved |
| 15:19.07 | ribnitz | xogon: also note that LVM does not protect against hw failure (eg. RAID) |
| 15:19.08 | xogon | paulswm: i was planning on just / and /home |
| 15:19.11 | Babbage | jeaneid> no, it's not required |
| 15:19.11 | jetscreamer | lol@ DuaneAllman |
| 15:19.29 | jetscreamer | that's a funny joke dude, you should quit your day job |
| 15:19.29 | Phated | DuaneAllman: You -are- pampered, aren't you. |
| 15:19.42 | jeaneid | Babbage: so there is nothing I can do other than logoff and log back on |
| 15:19.49 | ribnitz | xogon: / diesnt griow fast, esp, when you have /var and /usr on separate partitions |
| 15:19.50 | Babbage | jeaneid> I'm sorry, you haven't asked a specific enough question for me to be able to help. |
| 15:19.57 | quittt | anybody here know a shell that I let's me use eggdrop? |
| 15:20.03 | ribnitz | Phated: its early for you... |
| 15:20.08 | resiak | DuaneAllman: Have you been living under a rock? |
| 15:20.11 | wishie | hmm, 1:18am |
| 15:20.11 | DuaneAllman | Phated, sorry I try to do my best with english |
| 15:20.14 | Phated | ribnitz: Not really. |
| 15:20.21 | scarynetworkguy | quittt: No. |
| 15:20.25 | Phated | DuaneAllman: Your English is fine, really. |
| 15:20.28 | scarynetworkguy | Eggdrop is evil. |
| 15:20.34 | ribnitz | Phated: no, I usually dont see you this early. |
| 15:20.35 | quittt | scarynetworkguy, infobot |
| 15:20.36 | paulswm | xogon: read the howto and think about that, and plan. If you put root on LVM, then you are going to complicate kernel compiles and I'm not sure how grub, for instance, deals with LVMs |
| 15:20.37 | jetscreamer | supybot is cool |
| 15:20.42 | resiak | DuaneAllman: USA PATRIOT, DMCA, they're both said to be insanely unconstitutional. (I'm not in the US, so...) |
| 15:20.43 | quittt | scarynetworkguy, it is not eggdrop it is infobot |
| 15:20.51 | Phated | ribnitz: <shrug> You haven't been looking hard enough. |
| 15:21.04 | ribnitz | Phated: that might also be the case |
| 15:21.08 | quiet | grr.. i'm setting up hplip for HP printers. and i did everything.. the ./configure --prefix=/usr | make | make install | now it says to do "/etc/init.d/hplip restart" and i get: |
| 15:21.18 | scarynetworkguy | quittt: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. And if I'm a good boy will Santa bring me a laptop? |
| 15:21.21 | quiet | -su: /etc/init.d/hplip: No such file or directory |
| 15:21.35 | resiak | DuaneAllman: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1254636 |
| 15:21.36 | xogon | paulswm: i see |
| 15:21.41 | resiak | DuaneAllman: ^^ stuff about USA PATRIOT |
| 15:21.47 | Babbage | quiet> is the file actually there? |
| 15:21.50 | Phated | quittt: You can run it from your own box. :) |
| 15:21.55 | paulswm | xogon: I experimented once with root on LVM, couldn't get it to work, so gave up |
| 15:21.56 | quiet | cd /etc/init.d |
| 15:21.57 | quiet | ls |
| 15:22.01 | quiet | bah |
| 15:22.07 | Babbage | heh |
| 15:22.28 | quiet | no.. |
| 15:22.28 | DuaneAllman | resiak, so I guess USA does not have a supervisor insitution or organ, or if there's something similar it means that economic interest overcame legality |
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| 15:22.29 | gianni | hi |
| 15:22.34 | paulswm | xogon: but my root is only like 130MB |
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| 15:22.37 | gianni | i need help |
| 15:22.38 | jetscreamer | !info hpijs |
| 15:22.39 | resiak | DuaneAllman: No, it means that Bush being a moron overcame legality. |
| 15:22.41 | dpkg | hpijs: (HP Linux Printing and Imaging - gs IJS driver (hpijs)), section text, is optional. Version: 2.0.1+0.8.7-4 (sid), Packaged size: 190 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
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| 15:22.49 | Babbage | paulswm, xogon: I have / on a normal partition but everything else is on LVM |
| 15:22.54 | boris | hello! are there any iso images which are already turned from sarge to sid? |
| 15:23.04 | jetscreamer | DuaneAllman, yes all the time |
| 15:23.05 | resiak | DuaneAllman: The supervisor institution is essentially Congress (as I understand it), and they're all on crack. |
| 15:23.08 | boris | i got this: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/ |
| 15:23.13 | gianni | who can help me? |
| 15:23.15 | boris | but not sure if is what i was looking for |
| 15:23.16 | xogon | Babbage: what is "everything" else? |
| 15:23.20 | resiak | !d-i boris |
| 15:23.22 | dpkg | boris, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:23.27 | jfil | hi, do u know how to change the font for the menu bar's firefox?? sorry for my english |
| 15:23.28 | valdyn | !tell gianni about ask |
| 15:23.30 | resiak | boris: You DON'T WANT to install Sid. |
| 15:23.30 | xogon | Babbage: /var /usr ? |
| 15:23.31 | quiet | any ideas why it wouldn't be there? these are the directions on the HP site |
| 15:23.33 | valdyn | !help gianni |
| 15:23.41 | paulswm | gianni: ask your question |
| 15:23.42 | boris | i do want to install sid :/ |
| 15:23.46 | Phated | No, don't. |
| 15:23.48 | Phated | :) |
| 15:23.51 | resiak | boris: If you have to ask how, seriously, don't. |
| 15:23.52 | jcarr | Babbage, the mode? |
| 15:23.53 | DuaneAllman | resiak, so why 70million americans re-elected him? do you have 70million morons in the US? it's a big number |
| 15:23.57 | paulswm | !beat boris for wanting to install sid |
| 15:23.57 | gianni | i would install a theme for kde |
| 15:24.03 | Babbage | xogon> /usr /home /var /usr/src /var/cache/apt /backups /export /cdroms /u01 /u02 /u03 /u04 are LVM volumes |
| 15:24.04 | resiak | DuaneAllman: I'm not in the US, and yes, they do have 70 million utter morons. |
| 15:24.06 | gianni | i've mepis debian based |
| 15:24.10 | boris | i know how to install sid |
| 15:24.13 | resiak | !debian based |
| 15:24.13 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 15:24.14 | asg | gianni: then /j #mephis |
| 15:24.17 | boris | i just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:24.20 | gianni | ok |
| 15:24.20 | jcarr | Babbage, I ran stat kernel-source-2.6.10, I got multiple lines of text |
| 15:24.24 | gianni | tnx |
| 15:24.24 | resiak | boris: If you install Sid, you're on your own. |
| 15:24.27 | boris | but i want a cd image already turned to sid |
| 15:24.27 | Babbage | jcarr> yup, what was the mode of the file? |
| 15:24.28 | ribnitz | boris: sid is the thing where youi boil in your own marinade if you have a problem. |
| 15:24.31 | Phated | Ohhh, no. Mepis plus Debian sources do not mix. |
| 15:24.37 | asg | boris: there isn't one |
| 15:24.39 | jcarr | Access: (2755/drwxr-sr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 40/ src) |
| 15:24.41 | boris | what's wrong with sid? :D |
| 15:24.41 | asg | boris: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:24.43 | jcarr | that it? |
| 15:24.46 | resiak | !tell boris about sid faq |
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| 15:24.49 | jetscreamer | boris, use debconf priority to set sid as source for apt-get |
| 15:24.49 | xogon | thx everyone for the advice |
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| 15:25.12 | jcarr | there's nothing labeled as "mode" |
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| 15:25.33 | jcarr | drwxr-sr-x |
| 15:25.36 | jcarr | what's the s!? |
| 15:25.40 | ribnitz | boris: sid is broken, by design. |
| 15:25.40 | asg | jcarr: sgid bit |
| 15:25.41 | jcarr | I whave never seen that |
| 15:25.41 | paulswm | boris: sid == unstable |
| 15:25.41 | jetscreamer | setuid i think |
| 15:25.42 | Phated | X not set. |
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| 15:25.50 | Babbage | jcarr> OK, this might be easier to tell what the fiel mode is: strace -e lstat64 ls yourfilename |
| 15:25.53 | Phated | To get rid of it, just chmod +x. |
| 15:26.08 | paulswm | boris: and unstable == 'unstable' |
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| 15:26.15 | Babbage | jcarr> it's the setgid bit. |
| 15:26.21 | jcarr | bash: strace: command not found |
| 15:26.28 | Babbage | doh |
| 15:26.29 | asg | jcarr: apt-get install strace |
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| 15:26.36 | Babbage | asg> nope, r/o fs! |
| 15:26.40 | jetscreamer | ahhhh it's the weekend |
| 15:26.40 | Phated | Hello, ro fs. |
| 15:26.47 | resiak | !saturday |
| 15:26.47 | dpkg | saturday is probably Tardsday Eve |
| 15:26.52 | asg | Babbage: then he needs to go to single user mode, fsck the thing, and remount it rw. |
| 15:26.57 | boris | got it :D |
| 15:26.58 | jcarr | W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 15:27.09 | jcarr | E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ |
| 15:27.10 | Babbage | jcarr> I think what's happened is that the mode of the file is some weird number because you have a hardware problem with your disk drive. I have had that happen to me. |
| 15:27.21 | boris | never found anything unstable on stuff that says unstable |
| 15:27.28 | Babbage | asg> if he has a h/w problem fsck may not actually fix it |
| 15:27.30 | asg | boris: read the bit about horrible bugs |
| 15:27.33 | juhov | boris: you got lucky :) |
| 15:27.35 | Phated | FFS, why hasn't he like, done what asg said already? |
| 15:27.37 | jcarr | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 15:27.37 | Babbage | jcarr> Have you opened your machine recently? |
| 15:27.43 | jcarr | Babbage, never have |
| 15:27.45 | asg | Babbage: then dmesg will show errors |
| 15:27.46 | boris | i got more bugs in sarge than unstable lol :D |
| 15:27.47 | jcarr | it's a laptop |
| 15:27.54 | boris | sarge = the 2.6 kernel doesn't even work |
| 15:27.57 | boris | unstable = it does |
| 15:28.00 | boris | lol |
| 15:28.04 | jcarr | I'll do a reboot and run fsck |
| 15:28.28 | Babbage | jcarr> Ah. Just reoot it and hope then :) |
| 15:28.28 | asg | Babbage: and if he does have errors that are terminal, there isn't anything that can really be done except replacing the faulty hardware |
| 15:28.28 | jetscreamer | shutdown -Fr now jcarr |
| 15:28.28 | Babbage | jcarr> The likelihood is that you still won;t be able to delete the file. |
| 15:28.28 | resiak | boris: What are you talking about? 2.6 is running nicely here. |
| 15:28.36 | abrotman | resiak: you lie!! |
| 15:28.37 | Babbage | jcarr> But do reboot anyway. |
| 15:28.56 | resiak | abrotman: Oh, yes, I do. Sorry. I'm on 2.8. ;-) |
| 15:28.59 | wishie | when trying to run xine, i get "no available skin found. say goodbye".. how can i see where xine is looking for skins ? |
| 15:29.11 | jetscreamer | i gave a 70 yr old grandmother sarge a week or so ago, 2.6 worked fine for her.... you saying she's better? |
| 15:29.18 | wishie | i have the xinetic skin in /usr/share/xine/skins/xinetic/ |
| 15:29.20 | Babbage | wishie> strace |
| 15:29.28 | abrotman | jetscreamer: define better :) |
| 15:29.36 | resiak | boris: If you use Sid and things break and you come in here and whine, we _will_ point and laugh. |
| 15:29.38 | jetscreamer | her box works? |
| 15:29.40 | Phated | jetscreamer: Look at what you're talking to. |
| 15:29.52 | Phated | jetscreamer: Of course she's better. And she bakes a mean cookie too. |
| 15:29.59 | resiak | !cookies++ |
| 15:30.04 | boris | what thing can break? |
| 15:30.07 | resiak | boris: Anything... |
| 15:30.10 | Babbage | mean_cookies-- |
| 15:30.11 | boris | i just reinstall sarge and good bye bug |
| 15:30.19 | boris | it's not going to break any hardware |
| 15:30.22 | jetscreamer | she gave me a very large sack of candy, too |
| 15:30.30 | resiak | boris: Read what I just said. |
| 15:30.34 | jetscreamer | what's worse is i ate it all |
| 15:30.46 | wishie | Babbage: i can only run xine from X, and i dont have a window manager.. its a small footprint install, very limited.. |
| 15:30.53 | boris | :/ |
| 15:30.57 | boris | i'm thinking... |
| 15:30.59 | wishie | is there a config option i can set, to tell xine where to look for skins ? |
| 15:31.02 | boris | but the point is i like really new stuff... |
| 15:31.03 | Phated | boris: Don't. |
| 15:31.10 | boris | sarge is not new enough :D |
| 15:31.13 | abrotman | wishie: did you try xine-ui or gxine ? |
| 15:31.14 | Babbage | wishie> strace will tell you where it is looking |
| 15:31.17 | Phated | It makes you hurt, it makes us hurt, and why are you not in #mepis already? |
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| 15:31.22 | boris | and kernel 2.6 doesn't work |
| 15:31.26 | abrotman | boris: now you're just trolling |
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| 15:31.31 | abrotman | or an idiot |
| 15:31.35 | wishie | Babbage: but i dont have any window manager, or terminals, to run xine from.. |
| 15:31.39 | jetscreamer | wishie, there is a xine-check script, dunno if it wil check for skins... try apt-get install --reinstall xine-ui |
| 15:31.39 | resiak | boris: 2.6 works, you're being a moron, shut up and install Sarge :) |
| 15:31.46 | paulswm | boris: 2.6 works fine on sarge for me, both debian ones and custom compiled |
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| 15:31.52 | Babbage | wishie> you can run it from the console |
| 15:32.07 | paulswm | boris: you are in danger of failing the Turing test |
| 15:32.10 | boris | ok, i'll just stick up with sarge |
| 15:32.14 | wishie | yeah, but it doesnt open a display "cant find display" so it doesnt look for a skin at that point. :( |
| 15:32.19 | paulswm | !win boris |
| 15:32.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, boris! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:32.20 | resiak | !win boris |
| 15:32.20 | resiak | Hah. |
| 15:32.21 | jetscreamer | boris you type linux26 or expert26 at the boot prompt, and don't choose grub imo choose lilo |
| 15:32.23 | boris | lol!! :D |
| 15:32.26 | Phated | No, no, just stick with mepis. At least then we can foist you off on #mepis. |
| 15:32.33 | Babbage | wishie> Sigh. Just set your DISPLAY environment variable. |
| 15:32.40 | boris | jetscreamer: that's the point! |
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| 15:32.48 | boris | i choose the kernel 2.6 at boot |
| 15:32.58 | boris | but when it's loading the drivers during install, it freezes!!! |
| 15:33.05 | Phated | Not really. |
| 15:33.05 | abrotman | maybe your machine is a piece of crap ? |
| 15:33.09 | boris | it's doing this since sarge includes the linux 2.6 |
| 15:33.14 | resiak | Well then _report_ _the_ _bug_, dammit. |
| 15:33.27 | abrotman | since sarge includes 2.6 ? .. which is since sarge |
| 15:33.28 | boris | i already did... |
| 15:33.31 | boris | they didn't fix it |
| 15:33.37 | wishie | Babbage: couldnt, as i only have one console.. fixing that now..heh |
| 15:33.42 | abrotman | boris: you have a dell don't you? |
| 15:33.46 | boris | yes! |
| 15:33.46 | Phated | Gross. |
| 15:33.47 | resiak | boris: Out of interest, what is the bug number? |
| 15:33.49 | boris | dell inspiron 5150 |
| 15:33.57 | scarynetworkguy | Ewwww. |
| 15:34.06 | scarynetworkguy | Unclean unclean |
| 15:34.14 | abrotman | !dell |
| 15:34.15 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
| 15:34.17 | jetscreamer | leper outcast unclean |
| 15:34.26 | abrotman | boris: and it's a laptop? |
| 15:34.29 | boris | yes |
| 15:34.32 | Phated | GROSS. |
| 15:34.38 | abrotman | dell laptops are complete and total crap |
| 15:34.38 | scarynetworkguy | Very. |
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| 15:34.46 | Phated | It's probably -silver-, isn't it. |
| 15:34.49 | boris | lol :D |
| 15:34.55 | asg | abrotman: this d600 is actually usable (though suspend/resume is totally fucked) |
| 15:35.06 | Phated | boris: None of us are joking here. Get rid of the damn dell. |
| 15:35.08 | abrotman | asg: we can't trust you .. you're from england :) |
| 15:35.15 | Babbage | asg> except fot the fact that they have a winmodem |
| 15:35.22 | quiet | hrm.. lpadmin: add-printer (set device) failed: client-error-not-possible |
| 15:35.23 | abrotman | Babbage: my winmodem works fine |
| 15:35.25 | Phated | DESECRATION. |
| 15:35.28 | boris | how can i get rid of it? i'm only 15... haven't got enough many to buy another laptop -.- |
| 15:35.28 | asg | Babbage: I haven't used a modem since '99 |
| 15:35.28 | jetscreamer | yeah give me the dell laptop and get a new one |
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| 15:35.35 | DuaneAllman | resiak, after reading this I have to say I feel lucky no to be american |
| 15:35.39 | abrotman | boris: steal rom your parents!! |
| 15:35.40 | resiak | DuaneAllman: Yes, so am I :) |
| 15:35.49 | jetscreamer | there are advantages though |
| 15:35.50 | Babbage | The last modem I used was my mobile phone :) |
| 15:35.51 | asg | Babbage: and if I ever need to use one, I have a serial USR that will work just nicely in a pinch. |
| 15:36.02 | boris | abrotman: if it was that easy... |
| 15:36.07 | jetscreamer | and as long as you have your assualt rifle, you can igonre bad laws... |
| 15:36.08 | abrotman | boris: it is |
| 15:36.12 | Phated | Duh. |
| 15:36.13 | jetscreamer | ignore even |
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| 15:36.24 | jetscreamer | and assault |
| 15:36.38 | DuaneAllman | resiak, but I still can't believe there are 70million dumb people in US |
| 15:36.52 | kvossen | Anybody know what could be causing 30-second timeouts between files when I copy them to my samba-mounted share? |
| 15:37.12 | jetscreamer | no, only 60million are dumb you just can't see us other 10mil because the 60 are fat, too |
| 15:37.18 | resiak | boris: Tried installing with 2.4 kernel then apt-get installing a 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:37.21 | abrotman | DuaneAllman: apparently you don't live here .. there are far more than that |
| 15:37.37 | boris | resiak: yes, it works fine like that, but doesn't boot |
| 15:37.39 | scarynetworkguy | The fact that samba is a devil spawned bloody mess? |
| 15:37.48 | boris | i think i have to switch to lilo |
| 15:37.49 | asg | Babbage: besides, I can't leave the house without running across a Starbucks and a t-mobile daypass is only $9.99 |
| 15:37.54 | boris | and then apt-get the kernel-image |
| 15:37.55 | resiak | boris: So you can't boot on a 2.6 kernel on your laptop at all? |
| 15:37.56 | jetscreamer | grub sucks for me |
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| 15:38.07 | Zenethian | hehehe... |
| 15:38.09 | abrotman | boris: have you tried any other linux distro? |
| 15:38.09 | kvossen | scarynetworkguy, Enlighten my with the Right Thing To Do then :) |
| 15:38.10 | Zenethian | day pass is $10 |
| 15:38.19 | Zenethian | holy shit, the whole service is only $30/month! |
| 15:38.27 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 15:38.29 | Zenethian | heh |
| 15:38.30 | boris | abrotman: the 2.6 kernel works in any distro, apart from debian sarge :D |
| 15:38.34 | asg | Zenethian: I don't need to use it often enough to warrant $30/mo |
| 15:38.38 | scarynetworkguy | kvossen: Never said samba was the wrong thing to do. Just that it sucks and blows at them same time. |
| 15:38.41 | Babbage | asg> it was different for me, I was trying to work in a secure environment. |
| 15:38.43 | boris | and i've tried about 10 distros or more |
| 15:38.45 | Zenethian | how long is the day pass valid? just 24 hours? |
| 15:38.51 | DuaneAllman | ok, not I leave apart the dmca and I have a questiona bout nautilus and samba shares |
| 15:38.57 | asg | Babbage: oh, everything I do is over ssh tunnels, nothing is ever cleartext. |
| 15:39.03 | abrotman | boris: you can't even give us the error message? |
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| 15:39.08 | abrotman | asg: even http? :) |
| 15:39.12 | asg | abrotman: yep |
| 15:39.17 | resiak | boris: Where's the bug you filed, out of interest? |
| 15:39.26 | asg | abrotman: I use a squid proxy here that's routed via ssh over loopback |
| 15:39.30 | kvossen | scarynetworkguy, is there anything better then? |
| 15:39.32 | boris | it just freezes |
| 15:39.32 | resiak | paulswm: To be fair, it appears that Dell laptops are something of a known beast. |
| 15:39.34 | boris | that's all |
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| 15:39.39 | resiak | boris: Where's the bug you filed? |
| 15:39.50 | boris | i didn't file it, i think i sent an e-mail |
| 15:39.56 | boris | can't remember now |
| 15:39.57 | kvossen | scarynetworkguy, tried nfs, but it hasn't even got decent security |
| 15:39.57 | Babbage | asg> No, I mean a physically secure environment. |
| 15:39.59 | boris | done it ages ago |
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| 15:40.03 | resiak | boris: Well, _file_ _the_ _bug_! |
| 15:40.04 | asg | abrotman: in fact, everything I need to do is running in a screen session 24/7 on the box upstairs so I can hit it from anywhere and It's just like being home. |
| 15:40.06 | boris | where can i file them? |
| 15:40.14 | DuaneAllman | I have sambpa properly configured, I have a shared folder on this box with read/write permissions, if I try to write in it from a remote windows box there are no problems but it seems there's no way to do it if browsing from nautilus |
| 15:40.15 | asg | Babbage: oh, okay. |
| 15:40.16 | scarynetworkguy | kvossen: I'm assuming you have windows shite talking to *nix boxen, right? |
| 15:40.29 | resiak | !btssmite boris |
| 15:40.30 | dpkg | Hey, boris: I tried to figure out what your malfunction was, but http://bugs.debian.org/boris came up empty. |
| 15:40.39 | paulswm | resiak: yes, I agree, but that's a better qualified statement |
| 15:40.42 | boris | :/ |
| 15:40.45 | abrotman | asg: are you at work today? |
| 15:40.47 | asg | Babbage: I'm probably the meanest looking guy you'll ever see at a Starbucks so that counts for some physical security |
| 15:40.51 | resiak | boris: Go to bugs.debian.org and read. |
| 15:40.58 | asg | abrotman: I'm working but I'm on the couch, not in the office |
| 15:41.00 | kvossen | scarynetworkguy, nope |
| 15:41.06 | abrotman | asg: ah |
| 15:41.10 | resiak | boris: Oh, and learn to address people on IRC. It makes life so much easier... |
| 15:41.25 | abrotman | more of a chuckle actually |
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| 15:41.44 | asg | abrotman: hehe, I have that way of looking at people that immediately makes them want to look elsewhere for some reason. |
| 15:41.44 | Phated | A snicker, even. |
| 15:42.00 | Phated | asg: It's the fear that you're mentally undressing them, you perv. |
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| 15:42.04 | abrotman | asg: maybe you're just ugly? |
| 15:42.06 | abrotman | :) |
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| 15:42.18 | scarynetworkguy | kvossen: Then why ftlog are you using samba? |
| 15:42.19 | asg | Phated: might be, or that I'm about to go for their necks |
| 15:42.34 | asg | abrotman: yeah, I'm not cute in the official sense, but I'm not elephant man ugly. |
| 15:42.36 | Phated | Hah. :) |
| 15:42.36 | frrg | im trying to kill my qmail process but i cant i try killall qmail kill -9 pid what alse can i do? |
| 15:42.49 | kvossen | scarynetworkguy, because nfs is even worse? |
| 15:42.56 | abrotman | asg: right ... |
| 15:43.05 | asg | abrotman: a cross between Kurt Russell (in Esc. from NY) and Bill Murray (in Caddyshack) |
| 15:43.10 | paulswm | asg: you mean pale complextion, bloodshot eyes, large canines, only come out at night? :) |
| 15:43.27 | abrotman | asg: well at least not from What about Bob |
| 15:43.27 | paulswm | s/xt/x/ |
| 15:43.32 | asg | paulswm: I wear a lot of black, does that count? :) |
| 15:43.33 | jetscreamer | scarynetworkguy, i want to 'share' files between 3 local boxes. nfs, samba, or what should i use? |
| 15:43.35 | frrg | what can id o? |
| 15:43.51 | OUTsider | how about a fixed release of php4-mysql ? |
| 15:43.55 | asg | Babbage: anything interesting or just bugfixes? |
| 15:44.10 | kbrooks | i have a quesion |
| 15:44.12 | abrotman | OUTsider: how about a fixed mysql |
| 15:44.13 | Babbage | asg> 4.2.16 is a bugfix release on 4.2.15, but 4.2.15 was interesting. |
| 15:44.16 | resiak | kbrooks: ...so ask it! |
| 15:44.17 | asg | Babbage: ah |
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| 15:44.25 | moshii | jetscreamer: you could use ftp also |
| 15:44.30 | paulswm | jetscreamer: if all Linux then nfs, jmo |
| 15:44.32 | OUTsider | abrotman: just updated |
| 15:44.39 | abrotman | OUTsider: it's still not fixed :) |
| 15:44.47 | OUTsider | abrotman: and the file in question works when using plain php on command line |
| 15:44.59 | kvossen | paulswm, does nfs has any built-in security nowadays? |
| 15:45.04 | Babbage | asg> 4.2.15 details at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2005-01/msg00014.html |
| 15:45.05 | asg | abrotman: haven't seen WAB in a while |
| 15:45.07 | kbrooks | how can i create kernel packages. |
| 15:45.11 | asg | Babbage: thanks |
| 15:45.12 | OUTsider | abrotman: but when parsing it through apache, I get a segv |
| 15:45.15 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg |
| 15:45.18 | abrotman | asg: que pasa your cereal sugar bear? |
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| 15:45.23 | abrotman | OUTsider: why? |
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| 15:45.27 | moshii | kbrooks: kernel-package |
| 15:45.30 | jetscreamer | kbrooks, make-kpkg or did you want something different |
| 15:45.43 | asg | abrotman: hah |
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| 15:45.56 | abrotman | asg: oh .. wab .. got it |
| 15:46.01 | jetscreamer | kbrooks, try make-kpkg --targets |
| 15:46.08 | jetscreamer | in the source dir |
| 15:46.13 | abrotman | OUTsider: maybe it's libapache-modphp4 that's broken>? |
| 15:46.14 | OUTsider | abrotman: because the php page causes the apache to segv in combination with mysql code, the same code that worked before I did an update |
| 15:46.15 | asg | grrr, my old luddite parents suddenly decided to want to use the intraweb, this should be fun! |
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| 15:46.27 | abrotman | OUTsider: this is on sid or sarge? |
| 15:46.43 | OUTsider | abrotman: sid, just hit update again, same issue |
| 15:46.50 | abrotman | OUTsider: BTS checked? |
| 15:46.52 | paulswm | kvossen: actually I only use it on a local firewalled LAN, so I haven't delved too much into security yet |
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| 15:47.23 | syltek | hi, i want to delete a windows partition. it's on /dev/hda7 , can i do this safely by fdisk /dev/hda7 , then choose delete "d", but then it asks Partition Number (1-4): what do i have to choose there? |
| 15:47.39 | Babbage | syltek> WHY do you want to delete it? |
| 15:48.01 | syltek | Babbage: it's ntfs and i want to have write acces to it. |
| 15:48.15 | revenger | syltek: use cfdisk? |
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| 15:48.30 | syltek | ok revenger i'll check that out thanks |
| 15:48.44 | Babbage | syltek> In that case you could turn on on CONFIG_NTFS_WRITE in your kernel config |
| 15:48.45 | asg | abrotman: are you still coming down to NC? |
| 15:48.48 | valdyn | syltek: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda7 |
| 15:48.50 | abrotman | asg: dunno .. why? |
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| 15:48.55 | abrotman | asg: are you coming up here? :) |
| 15:49.01 | OUTsider | abrotman: a member of php told me he had another user with the same issue |
| 15:49.05 | asg | abrotman: I wish, our winter has been a sham so far. |
| 15:49.09 | vinay | i cant get knockd to hear knocks :-S .. what do i have to update to my firewall rules to make it work? |
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| 15:49.14 | abrotman | asg: our snow is almost gone now |
| 15:49.19 | abrotman | OUTsider: but did you file a bug? |
| 15:49.20 | chfn | Hi guys, Whats the name of the tool to setup the username and the password to browse Samba File System? I dont want to mount using /etc/fstab . I want browse using network:/// or smb:// in KDE but I need to setup the username and password |
| 15:49.25 | abrotman | OUTsider: or is there a matching bug? |
| 15:49.39 | asg | abrotman: at least you had some, we had a piddle and the news looked at a frozen puddle on a bridge for 3 hours. |
| 15:49.47 | abrotman | asg: those are great!! |
| 15:50.02 | asg | abrotman: yeah, but the hilarity wears off after a period. |
| 15:50.10 | asg | chfn: smbpasswd |
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| 15:50.23 | racoontje | Does udev break for anyone here? It works fine for me, and as usual, SIYH. |
| 15:50.31 | chfn | asg, You mean in the client side to browse from server side ? |
| 15:50.46 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 15:50.47 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:50.47 | asg | chfn: smbpasswd sets up client username/passwords |
| 15:50.54 | asg | chfn: on the server |
| 15:51.02 | chfn | asg I need on client side |
| 15:51.18 | asg | chfn: oh, smbclient maybe or #debian-kde might know what their tool is. |
| 15:51.34 | asg | abrotman: ouch |
| 15:51.41 | chfn | asg thanks |
| 15:51.45 | asg | chfn: you're welcome |
| 15:51.52 | abrotman | asg: it happens ... i can't always remember what day it is :) |
| 15:52.10 | asg | abrotman: apt-cache show pal |
| 15:52.32 | abrotman | asg: that works if i'm home :) |
| 15:52.46 | asg | abrotman: have it email you or put it on a website so you can check. |
| 15:53.08 | asg | abrotman: nah, everyone hates me |
| 15:53.18 | abrotman | asg: oh ok .. enjoy |
| 15:53.23 | abrotman | not the hating :) |
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| 15:54.21 | davis | hello |
| 15:54.29 | Skaag | can someone help me understand the debian specific instructions for the awstats + suexec configuration? |
| 15:54.51 | Skaag | since when suexec is active for a site, it won't run awstats |
| 15:55.01 | davis | Is it possible for a nfs client machine which crashes often to somehow corrupt the filesystem on the nfs server? |
| 15:55.10 | Skaag | davis: yes |
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| 15:55.19 | davis | Skaag: that is scary. |
| 15:55.24 | Skaag | davis: not the filesystem itself, but rather the files it accesses |
| 15:55.32 | Skaag | it can put junk in the middle of them |
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| 15:55.35 | Skaag | (happened to me) |
| 15:55.48 | Babbage | davis> It could corrupt the data, but not the metadata |
| 15:55.58 | Skaag | yep that is correct |
| 15:56.01 | davis | Skaag: I have a embedded system which I work on. It uses a NFS root filesystem. |
| 15:56.17 | Skaag | davis: I have several boxes running in the same configuration you mention |
| 15:56.23 | davis | the target/client has a problem with IDE DMA which I am trying to fix. |
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| 15:56.33 | Babbage | davis> Does it normally change stuff on the root fs? |
| 15:56.35 | davis | during my debug, it will often crash. |
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| 15:56.48 | davis | yes, I mount the ide disk on a nfs root mount fs. |
| 15:57.12 | davis | now, my nfs server is getting IO errors. I umounted the nfs server fs and did a fsck. |
| 15:57.25 | Skaag | davis my best suggestion is that you create two copies of your mountable volume, and mount one copy until it goes bad, then copy the good one over, and reboot the client |
| 15:57.30 | davis | it says /dev/hda6 contains a filesystem with errors. check forced. |
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| 15:57.47 | Skaag | oh, that's odd |
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| 15:58.06 | davis | I dont care if the fs gets corrupt. I build it form source on a diff partition. |
| 15:58.22 | Babbage | davis> actually that might be hardware rather than corruption caused by an NFS client. Duff client machines just muck up the contents of files, not the filesystem metadata. |
| 15:58.24 | davis | but, if I am getting a corrupt partition, I worry that my disk is going bad. |
| 15:58.30 | Skaag | davis: that never happened to me... only the file contents got corrupt, not the actual filesystem |
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| 15:58.36 | davis | ok. |
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| 15:58.48 | davis | so maybe my disk is gonig bad. That is not good news. |
| 15:58.54 | Skaag | it can't break your drive dude... |
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| 15:59.00 | Phated | It means you can buy a bigger disk. |
| 15:59.02 | wishie | atleast you got a warning |
| 15:59.05 | Phated | Nothing bad about that. |
| 15:59.06 | Babbage | davis> If I were you I'd use tunefs to reduce the intervals between forced fck's and monitor thr situation |
| 15:59.08 | Kamil | how can i change the input language i'm using? i.e. if i want to write a few lines of text in chinese or with some other alphabet... |
| 15:59.13 | Skaag | drives are cheap nowadays |
| 15:59.25 | wishie | i went to work one day, came home, pc was still on..tried to load a few progs, got random errors, so i rebooted. pc didnt come back up |
| 15:59.30 | Babbage | Kamil> In what application? |
| 15:59.37 | wishie | hard disk crapped out, at some low level |
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| 15:59.40 | davis | Babbage: how so? |
| 15:59.51 | Kamil | Babbage: i guess specifically gaim, but is there not a way to make it apply for the whole system? |
| 15:59.51 | wishie | so i believe my data is still on the disk, just not accessible |
| 15:59.54 | neo10-CZE | I need help with quagga. I didn´t get answer on #quagga channel :( |
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| 16:00.10 | Skaag | wishie: some places can get your data easily by using a replacement circuit board or a new motor, then copying your data to a new drive |
| 16:00.10 | neo10-CZE | I have a question ... Is quagga 0.98.2 stable version? If is stable, How Can I install it to debian sarge? Quagga 0.98.2 is only unstable (debian) ... I must do it very carefully, becose I have quagga on router to internet and if I´ll break it, I can´t download it from internet. |
| 16:00.11 | Babbage | davis> It will help you distinguish a one-off from a continuous stream of disk errors. |
| 16:00.23 | neo10-CZE | Can I download .deb package and upgrade quagga with it? How Can I upgrade quagga on my system with .deb package ? |
| 16:00.37 | Skaag | wishie: you can take the plates, get a drive of the same model, stick them in, and get your data |
| 16:00.53 | Skaag | wishie: and if it's a drive that is 1+ years old, it would be VERY cheap |
| 16:00.54 | Phated | Dump them in the freezer for ten minutes and then salvage as best you can. |
| 16:00.54 | davis | Babbage: I am not sure I follow. I thought tunefs was just for creating a ext3 journal. |
| 16:01.10 | syltek | ok Babbage , revenger , valdyn .. it works great. thanks for your help guys. |
| 16:01.12 | Skaag | Phated: you serious? :) |
| 16:01.16 | OUTsider | abrotman: no entries in bts regarding my issue |
| 16:01.21 | Phated | Skaag: Perfectly. |
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| 16:01.31 | abrotman | OUTsider: i'd submit if i were you |
| 16:01.35 | Babbage | davis> No, you can use tune2fs for changing all sorts of ext2/ext3 parameters and that includes the fsck intervals. |
| 16:01.46 | abrotman | OUTsider: especially if you can pinpoint which line/code is causing the error |
| 16:01.48 | davis | Babbage: the -o option? |
| 16:01.50 | Babbage | syltek> I forgot what it was you were fixing. |
| 16:01.57 | wishie | Skaag: i took the easy road. took the drive back for warranty, and restored from backup to a spare disk i have :) |
| 16:02.00 | m0rbid | will mdetect work if my mouse is a PS/2, BUT in a serial adapter? |
| 16:02.04 | OUTsider | abrotman: in that case I can't |
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| 16:02.20 | Babbage | davis> No use either -c or -i. |
| 16:02.25 | davis | hmm. |
| 16:02.27 | m0rbid | I have tried like 8 mice (one serial) and mdetect finds nothing.. but the port works. |
| 16:02.30 | OUTsider | abrotman: gonna work with the folks from php on it |
| 16:02.46 | joefso | /window/window 7 |
| 16:02.48 | abrotman | OUTsider: ah .. maybe try commenting out some stuff? .. is it just a single query page? |
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| 16:03.25 | davis | Babbage: I dont have a man page for tunefs, I looked on google for an online version and the one I am looking at does not have that option. |
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| 16:03.30 | davis | how do I get a manpage? |
| 16:03.35 | abrotman | man blah |
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| 16:04.04 | abrotman | man tune2fs |
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| 16:04.13 | Skaag | wishie: At least you had backup :) |
| 16:04.44 | Goetmet | I'm 20... is it possible to have XOrg on debian before I'm 40 ? |
| 16:04.49 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 16:04.50 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
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| 16:04.52 | wishie | argh, crappy DNS |
| 16:04.58 | abrotman | Goetmet: read the url at necrotic |
| 16:05.04 | davis | Babbage: heh. typo now I have a manpage. my bad. |
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| 16:05.24 | Babbage | davis> yep, tunefs is probably BSD or Sun |
| 16:05.25 | m0rbid | Im 30, will sarge be released anytime soon before I am 50? |
| 16:05.40 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 16:05.40 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 16:05.44 | Goetmet | m0rbid : I wonder that too |
| 16:06.02 | davis | Babbage: so you would change the interval between checks to be more frequent? |
| 16:06.10 | Goetmet | these guys are just putting away debian from the regular users |
| 16:06.18 | m0rbid | lol |
| 16:06.18 | abrotman | what? |
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| 16:06.30 | Phated | Oh, not again. |
| 16:06.32 | Babbage | davis> yep, for the moment, to see if you have a real problem. If you don't have a continuing problem, you can raise the figure again later. |
| 16:06.33 | abrotman | well .. maybe you two slackers should go help the bug squashers this weekend ... |
| 16:06.46 | ik-386 | hi |
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| 16:06.56 | abrotman | and if you're not going to .. dont' complain |
| 16:07.08 | ik-386 | any one knows how can i install kde? please =/ |
| 16:07.08 | m0rbid | Ive been waiting for a long time for debians next release. abrotman: if I was a coder I would help graciously |
| 16:07.22 | abrotman | m0rbid: you don't have to be a coder |
| 16:07.33 | abrotman | m0rbid: some are simple things like misplaced man pages |
| 16:07.38 | takatumi | m0rbid: waiting to put it on a mission critical system? |
| 16:07.44 | davis | well, my fsck finished and it didn't ask me for any user input, ie. convert xxx to yy . so I guess that is good. |
| 16:07.50 | m0rbid | well, first thing is, floppy installer doesnt work with net drivers. |
| 16:07.53 | Babbage | davis> yep |
| 16:07.54 | Phated | Pft. Those of you eager for releases can just switch to sid. A release veery day! |
| 16:07.55 | ik-386 | can someone tell me please how to install kde plese |
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| 16:08.04 | abrotman | m0rbid: tell #debian-boot .. ask them where to file a bug |
| 16:08.13 | m0rbid | ik-386: apt-get install kde* |
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| 16:08.22 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 16:08.22 | abrotman | apt-get install kde |
| 16:08.25 | abrotman | no * |
| 16:08.27 | m0rbid | or thqat |
| 16:08.29 | ik-386 | oki =) |
| 16:08.29 | m0rbid | -q |
| 16:08.35 | m0rbid | ik-386: man apt-get |
| 16:08.37 | ik-386 | how i log as a root? |
| 16:08.40 | davis | Babbage: tune2fs -i without a time parm does not show the current interval setting. |
| 16:08.41 | abrotman | oh dear |
| 16:08.42 | ik-386 | oki |
| 16:08.44 | m0rbid | ik-386: man linux |
| 16:08.50 | davis | Babbage: any idea how to get the current setting? |
| 16:08.52 | abrotman | !fundamentals |
| 16:08.52 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 16:08.54 | Smurg | lol morbid |
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| 16:09.28 | mikea | hi, does anyone know how to increase the open file limit for normal users while using bash? |
| 16:09.36 | abrotman | man ulimit |
| 16:09.38 | ik-386 | it says permision denied =( |
| 16:09.39 | m0rbid | now Im busting my head here trying to get this danm mouse working... any ideas on ps/2 > serial converter? |
| 16:09.57 | m0rbid | ik-386: is it your box? |
| 16:09.59 | mikea | abrotman, nope, you cannot increase it as a normal user, only decrease it. |
| 16:10.02 | abrotman | m0rbid: ew :) |
| 16:10.04 | ik-386 | yes |
| 16:10.12 | m0rbid | abrotman: its my only option on this machine |
| 16:10.18 | ik-386 | i just install the base system |
| 16:10.19 | abrotman | mikea: last i checked you could |
| 16:10.24 | Babbage | davis> dumpe2fs /dev/whatever |
| 16:10.29 | davis | Babbage: thanks |
| 16:10.30 | m0rbid | ik-386: then su, and put the password |
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| 16:10.37 | ik-386 | oki =) |
| 16:10.38 | m0rbid | ik-386: that you supplied |
| 16:10.39 | abrotman | m0rbid: you could ask in #debian-bugs to see if there is anything you can help with while not being a coder |
| 16:11.02 | davis | Babbage: uh oh |
| 16:11.06 | m0rbid | abrotman: actually I have some ideas about the 2.4 floppy installer. |
| 16:11.11 | mikea | abrotman, can you check it for me now? as it doesn't work for me. |
| 16:11.15 | m0rbid | abrotman: I will do that |
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| 16:11.24 | davis | dumpe2fs : Bad magic number in super block while trying to open /dev/hda |
| 16:11.26 | ik-386 | yes its working =))))))))))))))))))) |
| 16:11.33 | abrotman | mikea: did you try to change it as root? |
| 16:11.33 | Smurg | Well, I need a good window manager, not too lightweight like fluxbox too, something in the range in the 80-100 MB |
| 16:11.41 | Smurg | Anyone know anyone/ |
| 16:11.43 | Phated | KDE. |
| 16:11.43 | Babbage | davis> That is the wrong device! That's the whole-disk device. |
| 16:11.52 | davis | Babbage: ahh. |
| 16:11.52 | Phated | "Not too lightweight" qotd time. |
| 16:11.53 | ledet | smurfd: windowmaker perhaps |
| 16:11.57 | Babbage | phew |
| 16:11.58 | mikea | abrotman, yes, but that is only valid for that session. |
| 16:12.01 | Smurg | Phated : KDE --------> 1GIG |
| 16:12.02 | m0rbid | ik-386: some man pages actually do work, and are written fdor beginners. Not to be mean, but the Debain for Dummies book is pretty good. |
| 16:12.05 | abrotman | m0rbid: do you know more than one language? |
| 16:12.05 | takatumi | Smurg: try xfce4 |
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| 16:12.20 | Phated | Smurg: <shrug> |
| 16:12.21 | m0rbid | abrotman: I wish |
| 16:12.27 | Smurg | takatumi : xfce4 is a bit too basic |
| 16:12.29 | Phated | GNUstep? |
| 16:12.30 | abrotman | mikea: but if you man ulimit .. doesn't it tell you how to do it permanently? .. limits.conf might be what you need |
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| 16:12.38 | resiak | Smurg: What's basic about XFce? |
| 16:12.44 | Rockj | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ |
| 16:12.44 | takatumi | Smurg: define "basic" |
| 16:12.50 | Rockj | how many of the images must I download? oO |
| 16:13.01 | m0rbid | Rockj: the first |
| 16:13.02 | resiak | !d-i Rockj |
| 16:13.02 | dpkg | Rockj, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:13.07 | mikea | abrotman, yes I tried limits.conf it doesn't seem to work either. |
| 16:13.09 | ik-386 | 1 rockj |
| 16:13.12 | davis | Babbage: ok ... I guess I just need the -h part. |
| 16:13.13 | Smurg | basic --> Doesnt feel stable |
| 16:13.17 | abrotman | mikea: are you ssh'ing in? |
| 16:13.22 | resiak | Smurg: Wtf? |
| 16:13.30 | Smurg | basic : Gives me the impression that it would crash any moment |
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| 16:13.34 | resiak | Smurg: It doesn't fall over. |
| 16:13.41 | Smurg | serious, i tried it |
| 16:13.46 | resiak | Smurg: Serious, I'm _using_ itl |
| 16:13.53 | Coke | Is there a smart utility to make all file names in a directory lower case and/or replace spaces with underscores? |
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| 16:13.56 | m0rbid | if the mouse is ps/2 with a serial convertor, is the mouse type still serial, or is it imps2 ? |
| 16:14.05 | davis | Babbage: whoa. The Check Interval is 6 months and the max count is 24. |
| 16:14.11 | Smurg | resiak : well, how do u change the screen resolution in xfce |
| 16:14.14 | mikea | abrotman, yes, but I included pam_limit in my ssh file. |
| 16:14.20 | takatumi | Smurg: used it for a couple of months, didn't crash once. |
| 16:14.21 | ledet | whats the dpkg-bot keyword for the "2.4 to 2.6" explain? |
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| 16:14.26 | Babbage | davis> That's normal. |
| 16:14.27 | resiak | Coke: rename |
| 16:14.27 | Rockj | m0rbid: Thanks |
| 16:14.32 | m0rbid | Rockj: np |
| 16:14.32 | davis | Babbage: ok. |
| 16:14.43 | Rockj | ubuntu, is that good? |
| 16:14.44 | Rockj | oO |
| 16:14.46 | Babbage | Coke> use a combination of sed and mv. |
| 16:14.51 | davis | Babbage: change to 1 week and 5 remounts? |
| 16:14.52 | ledet | Rockj: no |
| 16:14.52 | Rockj | is that some modified version of debian? |
| 16:14.53 | Smurg | takatumi : crashed thrice for me in 5 days... |
| 16:14.55 | abrotman | mikea: in your ssh config ? |
| 16:15.01 | Babbage | davis> Sounds reasonable. Yep. |
| 16:15.02 | resiak | Smurg: Ctrl-Alt-+ and Ctrl-Alt--, as nature intended. |
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| 16:15.03 | ledet | Rockj: yes |
| 16:15.04 | xuser_ | are the torrents for sarge .iso's? |
| 16:15.10 | Smurg | resiak : how do u change screen resolution |
| 16:15.12 | davis | Babbage: thanks for the lesson. I appreciate it. |
| 16:15.12 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:15.12 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:15.13 | mikea | abrotman, no in /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 16:15.24 | Smurg | xuser_ : check Debian website..they have plenty |
| 16:15.27 | ledet | smurfd: in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 16:15.29 | abrotman | mikea: iirc .. there's another place to change it .. the sshd_config iirc |
| 16:15.41 | abrotman | mikea: it did take me a while to find it |
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| 16:15.43 | xuser_ | Smurg: yeah just saw it. |
| 16:15.45 | mikea | abrotman, thanks, I'll take a look. |
| 16:16.14 | daaani | can i reboot x somehow without rebooring my computer? |
| 16:16.16 | smurfd | hm someone needs to fix their tab-completion ;) |
| 16:16.20 | ledet | daaani: yes |
| 16:16.21 | abrotman | mikea: see the section about PAM stuff ? |
| 16:16.21 | resiak | Coke: rename 's/(.*)/lc $1/e' * does the lowercasing, rename 's/ /_/g' does the spaces to underscores. I think. |
| 16:16.25 | m0rbid | daaani: cntrl-alt-bckspc |
| 16:16.27 | Babbage | daaani> You mean restart? |
| 16:16.31 | abrotman | m0rbid: why not just use a ps2 mouse ? |
| 16:16.33 | Smurg | daani : cntrl+alt+F1 |
| 16:16.35 | daaani | yes but just x |
| 16:16.42 | Smurg | daani : then login, then xinit |
| 16:16.42 | ledet | smurfd: that wont restart X |
| 16:16.51 | ik-386 | do i put cvs enable? |
| 16:16.54 | m0rbid | abrotman: no ps/2 port, I lost the astupid little cable thingy that goes on teh mobo |
| 16:16.59 | daaani | startx also works right? |
| 16:17.02 | Babbage | daaani> m0rbid's answer is right. |
| 16:17.14 | Smurg | daani : yeah sorry its cntrl alt bkspc |
| 16:17.16 | daaani | yes but startx starts x :p |
| 16:17.18 | ledet | daaani: just press ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 16:17.24 | ik-386 | m0rbid, do i put cvs enable? |
| 16:17.25 | ledet | daaani: as already stated |
| 16:17.36 | ledet | daaani: no reason to make a whole cirkus out of it |
| 16:17.42 | Phated | daaani: Genius, ain't it... -start-x- actually... -starts x-! |
| 16:17.43 | m0rbid | ik-386: you dont need it, IM SURE |
| 16:17.46 | abrotman | m0rbid: oh .. big bummer |
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| 16:17.51 | mikea | abrotman, I'm reading the man page now. Thanks |
| 16:17.56 | abrotman | ik-386: if you don't know .. say no |
| 16:17.57 | scarynetworkguy | Who would have thunk it? |
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| 16:18.08 | ik-386 | what is that for m0rbid |
| 16:18.09 | m0rbid | ik-386: abrotman put it very well =) |
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| 16:18.47 | Smurg | I heard some1 telling me about a nice X GUI interface program instead of aptitude..anyone know the name? |
| 16:18.50 | m0rbid | ik-386: cvs is a pharmacy, family owned till I beleive around 1983, then it was corperate. |
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| 16:19.01 | abrotman | !some1 |
| 16:19.01 | dpkg | some1 is, like, IRC shorthand for "I'm a twit" |
| 16:19.02 | ledet | !some1 |
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| 16:19.12 | Phated | Smurg: synaptic. |
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| 16:19.13 | abrotman | Smurg: and it's synatpic |
| 16:19.13 | NewpZ | hi i doaled a theme.deb from kdelook, i installed it using dpkg but how do i make it my theme in kde? |
| 16:19.19 | abrotman | bah .. i can't fucking type!! |
| 16:19.23 | abrotman | NewpZ: #debian-kde |
| 16:19.25 | ik-386 | o |
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| 16:19.38 | ledet | smurfd: consider going back to school... your spelling is _way_ off |
| 16:19.48 | abrotman | ledet: smurg ? |
| 16:19.56 | NewpZ | thanks |
| 16:20.07 | ledet | abrotman: tab-completion :) |
| 16:20.08 | Smurg | abrotman : ? |
| 16:20.21 | ledet | Smurg: consider going back to school... your spelling is _way_ off |
| 16:20.23 | abrotman | Smurg: ignore |
| 16:20.24 | ik-386 | i need debian for dunies =) |
| 16:20.30 | ik-386 | dumies |
| 16:20.32 | abrotman | err . ignore me .. heed ledet |
| 16:20.34 | Zenethian | Dummies. |
| 16:20.42 | abrotman | !tell ik-386 about fundamentals |
| 16:20.43 | Zenethian | and dummies should not be using Debian. |
| 16:20.46 | abrotman | !tell ik-386 about refcard |
| 16:20.53 | Zenethian | =) |
| 16:20.54 | ledet | abrotman: lol |
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| 16:21.05 | ik-386 | ok |
| 16:21.07 | Smurg | man you guys are funny.. |
| 16:21.13 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 16:21.20 | Smurg | whats with saying 'some1' |
| 16:21.21 | Zenethian | I need to make a blurb about "how stupid they are" |
| 16:21.33 | Zenethian | !tell someuser how stupid they are |
| 16:21.34 | Zenethian | hehe |
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| 16:21.52 | ledet | Smurg: it's spelled "someone"... and it doesnt take you any longer to type that... there is _no_ reason to spell it wrong on purpose |
| 16:22.04 | Smurg | ledet : well in that case , ok |
| 16:22.08 | m0rbid | remember that at one time we were all ik-386. |
| 16:22.16 | ledet | Smurg: i'm just saying :) |
| 16:22.17 | abrotman | huh? |
| 16:22.22 | abrotman | who was mean to ik-386 ? |
| 16:22.29 | mikea | abrotman, thanks a lot. I've been banging my head against a wall for ages over that. |
| 16:22.37 | Smurg | lol mikea |
| 16:22.41 | abrotman | mikea: got it sorted out? |
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| 16:22.50 | ik-386 | its my firts day in linux =) |
| 16:22.55 | Zenethian | heh |
| 16:23.12 | mikea | abrotman, yes seems like it. |
| 16:23.33 | abrotman | mikea: yeah .. it took me a while .. i needed it for oracle or something .. it was a pain |
| 16:23.38 | m0rbid | ik-386: there are tons of help out there, and some really good books too. You picked a good distro, but a bit more advanced. |
| 16:23.42 | paulswm | ik-386: welcome to a whole new world of computing :) |
| 16:24.08 | ik-386 | thanks paulswm =) |
| 16:24.31 | Zenethian | we need to make a commercial about this. |
| 16:24.33 | ik-386 | =) m0rbid |
| 16:25.03 | abrotman | !sing free song |
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| 16:25.09 | abrotman | !sing free |
| 16:25.13 | abrotman | bah .. dpkg stinks |
| 16:25.16 | resiak | !listkeys free |
| 16:25.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'free' by key (15 shown; 114 total): xfree86 4.0.1 ;; free software lecture ;; xfree4.2 ;; freetype ;; freenet #DEL# ;; freemware ;; freedb ;; xfree86 4.4 ;; freeisp ;; free software song ;; freecase ;; bsdgames-nonfree ;; free ;; freebios ;; xfree. |
| 16:25.31 | resiak | Hmm, that was a bad thing to search for. |
| 16:25.35 | resiak | !listkeys sing |
| 16:25.36 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sing' by key (15 shown; 66 total): sing sussudio ;; sing helix ;; cmd: sing happy birthday (.*?) ;; sing sunday ;; anti-aliasing ;; sing beta3 ;; sing google ;; sing draken ;; ip aliasing ;; using apt ;; single user mode ;; sing fhffhqvb ;; sing dondelelcaro #DEL# ;; sing lame ;; closing ports. |
| 16:25.50 | NewpZ | is there anyone running nvidia divers here? |
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| 16:26.09 | m0rbid | he felt left out |
| 16:26.11 | m0rbid | lol |
| 16:26.17 | azreal | !tell |
| 16:26.37 | azreal | grr |
| 16:26.39 | abrotman | !sing lame |
| 16:26.40 | dpkg | Brave Sir Lame ran away, bravely ran away away. When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled. |
| 16:26.44 | azreal | !tell NewpZ about poll |
| 16:26.45 | abrotman | heh |
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| 16:27.03 | NewpZ | sorry not polling, ill just ask :) |
| 16:27.21 | paulswm | ik-386: it is going to take some patience and work, and you'll be frustrated at times while learning, but don't give up, you won't regret it |
| 16:27.43 | azreal | i seem to be haveing tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle. |
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| 16:27.51 | abrotman | NewpZ: and why are you asking? |
| 16:28.24 | paulswm | azreal has a life to style? |
| 16:28.29 | paulswm | heh |
| 16:28.31 | jcarr | I installed a new kernel via apt-get, and got the source with -src at the end of it. I needed the source to install something, but it says the source files dont match my running kernel |
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| 16:28.39 | teclo | Hello, I tried installing Sarge using the new installer with "linux26". Everything goes well, but when it reboots on the hard disk, grub works, then I get "Uncompressing Linux. Ok, now booting the kernel..." .... and then nothing... any idea ? |
| 16:29.03 | m0rbid | jcarr: uname -a, make sure the output is the same as the image you just downloaded. |
| 16:29.22 | abrotman | teclo: can you retry with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:29.22 | tarzeau | dpkg seen chanop |
| 16:29.23 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'chanop', tarzeau |
| 16:29.30 | paulswm | k I'll stfu now |
| 16:29.30 | azreal | paulswm: maybe i dont, but that could be part of the problem. |
| 16:29.30 | takatumi | jcarr: try kernel-headers |
| 16:29.36 | m0rbid | teclo: #debian-boot |
| 16:29.39 | NewpZ | i downloaded the install from nvidias site. i installed it and everything went ok... i edited my XFree86-4 conf file according to the docs and fired up X, i got the nvidia logo and X came up,.. after that i exited X and changed my res to 1024x768 (from 800x600) and X went to start and hard locked my system.. Then when I reboot it will not let me back in X saying that it can not load the NVIDIA driver |
| 16:29.45 | abrotman | !nvidia debs |
| 16:29.45 | dpkg | i guess nvidia debs is Justin_ has built a set of nvidia debs for woody, sarge, and sid. See http://www.bouncybouncy.net:8000/nvidia_debs/APT_SOURCES or try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT or deb http://kambing.vlsm.org/DLL/debian-local stable lokal |
| 16:30.00 | teclo | abauer: hm... actually, no, because I need to build LFS from that box, and LFS needs a 2.6 kernel.... |
| 16:30.01 | abrotman | NewpZ: there is also #nvidia |
| 16:30.08 | azreal | paulswm: its just winter, and depressing, miserable weather. |
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| 16:30.12 | abrotman | teclo: then ask #debian-boot |
| 16:30.32 | jcarr | ARGH!!! |
| 16:30.33 | abrotman | azreal: how bad can your winter be? |
| 16:30.39 | jcarr | I installed the newest QT |
| 16:30.44 | jcarr | I didnt pay attention |
| 16:30.47 | abrotman | first mistake :) |
| 16:30.49 | jcarr | it now says removing kde... |
| 16:30.52 | teclo | abrotman: ok, thank you ... |
| 16:30.54 | azreal | well, it 9 degrees and 65 mph winds, so its kinda cold. |
| 16:31.05 | abrotman | azreal: ice sailing!! |
| 16:31.07 | pepsi_ | hi! how do I start x-programs as root? I get "cannot open display" |
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| 16:31.15 | abrotman | !tell pepsi_ about run stuff as root |
| 16:31.25 | m0rbid | pepsi_: why would you want to? |
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| 16:31.35 | wishie | you can use the nasty xhost program :) |
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| 16:31.41 | resiak | pepsi_: Don't say "file manager" or something similar. |
| 16:31.45 | jcarr | I think I may play with QT today... maybe make some parser that parses XUL interfaces into compiled QT interfaces :) |
| 16:31.46 | azreal | abrotman: yeah i can just stand, and the wind will blow me down the sidewalk |
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| 16:31.53 | ik-386 | how do i start kde please =) |
| 16:31.57 | abrotman | azreal: good day for kite flying? |
| 16:32.02 | wishie | ik-386: startkde :P |
| 16:32.07 | abrotman | ik-386: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 16:32.14 | jcarr | like my xml language for making PDFs that takes xml and generates... PDFs :) |
| 16:32.14 | ik-386 | oki =) |
| 16:32.15 | wishie | heh |
| 16:32.22 | resiak | abrotman: What makes you think that kdm is installed? |
| 16:32.34 | abrotman | resiak: one would assume(ick) that apt-get install kde would install kdm |
| 16:32.36 | azreal | abrotman: i suppose if you were useing parachute cord on the kite |
| 16:32.40 | jcarr | abrotman, yeah, I run gdm an dnot kdm |
| 16:32.45 | m0rbid | pepsi_: If you do anything as root, you might as well lay your wife on my bed, gimme the keys to your car, and then sign the title to your house over to everyone else in this room, ah, and dont forget your root pass, and your bank account information. |
| 16:32.52 | abrotman | jcarr: aren't you special :) |
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| 16:33.08 | resiak | abrotman: You assume wrong. |
| 16:33.12 | paulswm | azreal: comparatively chilly here today (57F/14C), but sunny |
| 16:33.17 | abrotman | m0rbid: he still didn't say what he wanted to run |
| 16:33.22 | abrotman | resiak: that's why kde sucks :) |
| 16:33.34 | azreal | abrotman: there is actually a sport that stacks kite after kite until you get lifted off the ground, i think that would be fun |
| 16:33.36 | ik-386 | do i have to install x server also? |
| 16:33.41 | jcarr | heh |
| 16:33.42 | resiak | ik-386: Uh, yeah. |
| 16:33.43 | resiak | !faq ik-386 |
| 16:33.43 | abrotman | azreal: i've seen it |
| 16:33.44 | dpkg | ik-386: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 16:33.46 | m0rbid | or in .xinitrc you can put exec startkde, save/exit and startx |
| 16:33.50 | resiak | abrotman: Gnome doesn't depend on gdm |
| 16:33.52 | ik-386 | oki =) |
| 16:33.54 | abrotman | ik-386: apt-get install kdm x-window-system-core |
| 16:33.56 | abrotman | resiak: yes it does |
| 16:34.00 | resiak | abrotman: I'm sure it doesn't. |
| 16:34.05 | abrotman | resiak: let's bet! |
| 16:34.09 | ik-386 | ok abrotman |
| 16:34.19 | abrotman | resiak: in testing? |
| 16:34.21 | resiak | abrotman: I wil. |
| 16:34.23 | resiak | abrotman: I win. |
| 16:34.24 | paulswm | that kite-stacking-flying thing sounds insane to me |
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| 16:34.38 | jcarr | Anyone watch 24 last week? Where CTUs computer geek shut down the remote access to the nuclear power plants by "disabling the feature in the reactor kernels" and making sure the "precompiled headers weren't touched"? :D |
| 16:34.42 | abrotman | resiak: i won :) |
| 16:34.44 | azreal | paulswm: wow, thats heatwave, i could wear shorts! |
| 16:34.49 | resiak | abrotman: I'm sorry? |
| 16:34.51 | resiak | abrotman: I won. |
| 16:34.58 | abrotman | resiak: oh .. it's only a suggests :( |
| 16:35.02 | resiak | abrotman: apt-get remove gdm DOESN'T remove gnome :) |
| 16:35.06 | resiak | !win me |
| 16:35.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 16:35.10 | jcarr | I wonder what kind of kernels the reactors run if one can access them remotely and make modifciations, and the changes take affect without a reboot |
| 16:35.11 | abrotman | !prize resiak |
| 16:35.22 | cheale1 | is there something to allow GPU underclocking in debian? |
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| 16:35.29 | paulswm | azreal: we've had two frosts this winter, and winter's already pretty much over here |
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| 16:35.42 | resiak | No thanks, dpkg, you can have the presidency back. |
| 16:35.44 | ik-386 | it says cannot connect to x server =( many times =/ |
| 16:35.46 | moshii | cheale1: I think there's a clock tool for nvidia cards |
| 16:35.47 | azreal | its beautiful here in the summers, is why i stay here. |
| 16:35.56 | hedonick | jcarr: maybe they're written in Erlang ;-) |
| 16:35.59 | valdyn | chealer: depends on your gpu - nvclock for some nvidia cards |
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| 16:36.06 | abrotman | !tell ik-386 about set up x |
| 16:36.12 | azreal | paulswm: our winter will probably go on for close to 2 more months |
| 16:36.12 | sobersabre | hi... which chan on freenode handles wine issues [not chianti, windows emulator] |
| 16:36.14 | ik-386 | ok |
| 16:36.14 | sobersabre | ? |
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| 16:36.18 | paulswm | next thing is spring and testosterone-stuffed single male alligators running all over the place |
| 16:36.23 | abrotman | sobersabre: #winehq |
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| 16:36.27 | jcarr | hedonick, Erlang? |
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| 16:36.32 | Delph | sobersabre: and dont say the 'E' word... |
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| 16:36.36 | abrotman | !erlang |
| 16:36.43 | jcarr | heheheh |
| 16:36.46 | Babbage | Oh, poo. |
| 16:36.49 | sobersabre | abrotman, thanks |
| 16:36.50 | jcarr | !moo |
| 16:36.50 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 16:36.52 | sobersabre | Delph, why ? |
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| 16:37.04 | jcarr | why does apt-get moo show me a cow? |
| 16:37.09 | jcarr | an ASCII cow? |
| 16:37.13 | sharth | lol. |
| 16:37.14 | resiak | jcarr: Because apt has Super Cow Powers. |
| 16:37.14 | abrotman | because it's supposed to |
| 16:37.19 | hedonick | jcarr: yeah... language used to things like telephone switches where they can hotswap code |
| 16:37.21 | sobersabre | jcarr, this is SCP |
| 16:37.24 | chealer | thanks valdyn :) |
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| 16:37.48 | jcarr | hedonick, cool |
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| 16:38.37 | m0rbid | Im off, nice talking to you all, abrotman =) Ill come back on later and attempt to fix my mouse problem. |
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| 16:38.46 | abrotman | m0rbid: ok |
| 16:39.00 | Ryushin | The spammers are up to it again. Sending spam with their zombie pcs through the ISP mail mail server. I use postfix. Any idea where the main postfix channel is? |
| 16:39.28 | Phated | #postfix? |
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| 16:39.41 | hedonick | jcarr: well, it's soft realtime... don't know if I'd use it a reactor... if a switch goes down, that's no good... but a reactor. Maybe not :) |
| 16:39.43 | scarynetworkguy | Crazy channel names. |
| 16:39.48 | abrotman | Phated: too obvious |
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| 16:39.58 | Phated | :) |
| 16:40.02 | Zenethian | eh, spamassassin kills every single piece of spam I ever get. |
| 16:40.09 | abrotman | Zenethian: i thnik he is the ISP |
| 16:40.09 | Zenethian | so I am not worried. |
| 16:40.10 | Ryushin | No one seem to answer there. Didn't know if their was a main postfix irc that was not freenode. |
| 16:40.18 | kbrooks | attention |
| 16:40.23 | abrotman | Ryushin: #postfix is the channel .. |
| 16:40.27 | abrotman | !piav |
| 16:40.27 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 16:40.28 | kbrooks | attention! |
| 16:40.41 | kbrooks | i need a freenode operator. ;) |
| 16:40.43 | jcarr | question... will visual studio .NET run in vmware |
| 16:40.44 | abrotman | Shiny thing!! |
| 16:40.46 | jcarr | hedonick, hehehehe |
| 16:40.50 | abrotman | kbrooks: #freenode |
| 16:40.50 | scarynetworkguy | Ryushin: Did you read *and8 understand all the docs? |
| 16:41.01 | jcarr | hedonick, I was thinking the same thing when I watched the show (regardless) |
| 16:41.07 | Zenethian | Yes, I read and ate all the docs. |
| 16:41.21 | moshii | jcarr: if visual studio .NET will run in the guest you're running in vmware |
| 16:41.37 | jcarr | in the guest? |
| 16:41.42 | Ryushin | scarynetworkguy: I read the docs with postfix if that is what you mean. |
| 16:41.49 | just-me | does anyone know the tool apt-build |
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| 16:41.50 | just-me | ? |
| 16:41.50 | Zenethian | jcarr: yeah, a guest in vmware is the OS you're running inside. |
| 16:42.12 | moshii | jcarr: vmware is a machine "emulator" not an API emulator |
| 16:42.13 | abrotman | just-me: just ask |
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| 16:42.31 | jcarr | cool |
| 16:42.32 | moshii | jcarr: to run windows apps in vmware you have to be running windows with it too |
| 16:42.35 | just-me | i don't know if i should use that tool instead apt-get |
| 16:42.36 | jcarr | then I think I will buy it |
| 16:43.05 | Zenethian | just-me: they're completely separate things that have different functionality |
| 16:43.05 | just-me | just wanna know what ppl think about this tool |
| 16:43.09 | moshii | jcarr: I'd try and see if it works with wine first |
| 16:43.09 | jcarr | moshii, currently I reboot to windows XP only for visual studio .NET and quicken. I have quicken running flawlessly under Wine, so it's all I have left |
| 16:43.15 | abrotman | !ppl |
| 16:43.15 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 16:43.17 | jcarr | tried it |
| 16:43.20 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 16:43.20 | dpkg | somebody said apt-build was an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 16:43.30 | Zenethian | I doubt VS.NET runs under wine. hah |
| 16:43.31 | just-me | i read that i can optimize packages with this tool |
| 16:43.35 | Zenethian | it probably has anti-wine code. :> |
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| 16:43.45 | just-me | i tried to install k3b |
| 16:43.46 | moshii | jcarr: have you tried wine + the sidenet configurator? |
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| 16:43.47 | jcarr | moshii, VS .NET doesnt work at all under wine |
| 16:43.49 | just-me | didn't success |
| 16:43.55 | jcarr | moshii, I have crossover office |
| 16:44.34 | moshii | jcarr: ah, well it'll run on windows XP running inside vmware, but it's slightly overkill |
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| 16:44.52 | kbrooks | abrotman, ppl == hard to comprehend (did i spell that right?) |
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| 16:45.06 | Zenethian | apt-build is neat, though, but use it sparingly. :) |
| 16:45.10 | abrotman | kbrooks: it's just fucking annoying |
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| 16:45.20 | FieldySnuts | @win abrotman |
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| 16:45.23 | ravenbird | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:45.37 | jcarr | moshii, you think it would run okay on a 2.2Ghz machine with 512mb or RAM |
| 16:45.45 | kbrooks | did i spell the word comprehend right? ;) |
| 16:45.46 | jcarr | heh, I already have a lifetime supply of spam |
| 16:46.32 | moshii | jcarr: yup but vmware will steal a large amount of your ram so don't expect things to be very slick while it's running |
| 16:46.39 | Zenethian | heh, apt-build kinda makes debian into gentoo. |
| 16:46.41 | Zenethian | hehehehe |
| 16:46.55 | resiak | Zenethian: Well, that's kinda the whole point :) |
| 16:47.15 | Babbage | I'm off |
| 16:47.34 | moshii | resiak: theres already a 686 libc in debian |
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| 16:47.57 | jcb | how can i match lines that doesnt begin with "FW " using a regular expression? |
| 16:48.09 | resiak | moshii: But there isn't a Pentium M built with gcc3.4 one is there? |
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| 16:48.16 | caphuso | jcb: grep -v "^FW " file |
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| 16:48.41 | jcb | caphuso: without using grep? |
| 16:48.53 | dabreegster | I've found a program, cplay, that does everything I need it to do as far as playlist control. It can be managed by an ncurses interface or sending commands to a special file. I'm going to make a frontend to it and wish for it to run in the background. But every way I try stops the operation. It's written in Python, but editing it to not use ncurses is kind of tough. |
| 16:49.12 | jcarr | I need vmware anyway. I'm comfortable with Debian, but I'd like to try other distros |
| 16:49.12 | caphuso | jcb: what tool are you using? |
| 16:49.15 | resiak | moshii: I'm told by the wise man that is directhex that gcc3.4 has insanely good pentium-m optimisations. |
| 16:49.16 | dabreegster | Are there any other ways to get the program to not take up an entire terminal and still run? |
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| 16:49.30 | moshii | resiak: I didn't there was much difference with gcc options over 686, could be wrong ;) |
| 16:49.30 | caphuso | dabreegster: several |
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| 16:49.38 | dabreegster | caphuso: such as...? |
| 16:49.44 | caphuso | dabreegster: depends |
| 16:49.44 | jcb | caphuso: its for metalog configuration, so i dont have a tool available |
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| 16:50.08 | resiak | moshii: Meh, hexxeh tells me otherwise. |
| 16:50.10 | Zenethian | wow, too bad I can't force every package to be reinstalled using apt-build. |
| 16:50.10 | Zenethian | heheheh |
| 16:50.12 | resiak | moshii: I failed, in any case. |
| 16:50.20 | dabreegster | caphuso: Well, it's ncurses. When I ctrl+z it, it stops playing. cplay & has the same effect. And modifying the Python source would be rather tough |
| 16:50.22 | moshii | resiak: There's no difference with p4, but the pentium-M hacked up p3 so maybe for that :D |
| 16:50.28 | caphuso | dabreegster: use screen |
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| 16:50.33 | jcb | caphuso: i want to set "regexp = 'dont log lines beginning with FW'" in the conf |
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| 16:50.39 | dabreegster | caphuso: alright, thanks |
| 16:50.55 | caphuso | jcb: you need to read to metalog docs |
| 16:51.01 | jcarr | currently, only root seems to be able to use my cd-rom drive, ,how can I make it so all can access it? |
| 16:51.05 | resiak | moshii: Heh. |
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| 16:51.24 | jcb | caphuso: already done that |
| 16:51.28 | dabreegster | jcarr: add your user to... the cdrom group I think |
| 16:51.35 | jcarr | or should I say like other people here say, "I can only access it as a root" |
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| 16:51.39 | zamolxes | moshii, after you freeze it, run bg and it should resume in the background |
| 16:51.46 | jcb | caphuso: they dont explain regexp :-) |
| 16:51.49 | jcarr | dabreegster, er.. how do I add a user to a group? |
| 16:51.54 | dabreegster | jcarr: hangon |
| 16:52.06 | resiak | jcarr: adduser user group |
| 16:52.19 | dabreegster | jcarr: adduser user cdrom |
| 16:52.28 | muuh-gnu | hello, does anybody know a way to quickly find duplicate files in a given folder? |
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| 16:53.34 | caphuso | jcb: looks like it support perl REs... try ^(?!FW ) |
| 16:53.34 | zamolxes | muuh-gnu, 'duplicate' ? |
| 16:53.36 | jcarr | tip: dont install libqt3 :9 |
| 16:53.47 | jcarr | it removed kde and all my kde apps :/ |
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| 16:53.50 | jcb | caphuso: ok, thanks |
| 16:53.57 | moshii | muuh-gnu: cp? |
| 16:54.33 | resiak | jcarr: You say that as if it's a bad thing. |
| 16:54.46 | rfm | muaddib: you mean files with the same contents with different names? how about md5sum * > /tmp/sums, sort -u /tmp/sums >/tmp/usums, diff /tmp/sums /tmp/usums |
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| 16:55.58 | muuh-gnu | zamolxes: yes, all files in a folder for example, that have the exact same size. |
| 16:56.28 | linuxfreck | muuh-gnu: md5sum * | sort | uniq -W 1 -D |
| 16:56.39 | muuh-gnu | moshii: no, not to doplicate files, but to find them, if they have for example different names. |
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| 16:57.21 | Aptiva | hi |
| 16:57.26 | Aptiva | I'm trying to install debian |
| 16:57.26 | rfm | linuxfreck: good, I forgot to do the uniq only on first field. |
| 16:57.31 | Aptiva | well |
| 16:57.36 | Aptiva | I've done that |
| 16:57.41 | Aptiva | but i'm stuck in grub |
| 16:58.06 | Aptiva | what I've done is: kernel --type=biglinux /boot/vmlinuz.... and initrd /initrd.img |
| 16:58.07 | azreal | Aptiva: in? or at grub? |
| 16:58.11 | muuh-gnu | thanks you two i'll try that. ;) |
| 16:58.12 | Aptiva | but when I enter boot |
| 16:58.17 | Aptiva | in or at? |
| 16:58.22 | Aptiva | I'm booting |
| 16:58.27 | Aptiva | grub opens |
| 16:58.32 | Aptiva | and I get a shell in it |
| 16:59.11 | bin | installed debian sarge, / went into /dev/sda1, /usr went into sda10, have swap on sda 6, 7,8,9, can't see, no devices, not in /mnt, sda5 and sda11 which have data from old install, don't understand makedev, thanks. |
| 16:59.28 | azreal | Aptiva: so you are IN grub, did you define your root partition? |
| 16:59.36 | Aptiva | probably not |
| 17:00.04 | Aptiva | rather: no |
| 17:00.06 | Aptiva | I didn't |
| 17:00.09 | Aptiva | how do I do that? |
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| 17:00.24 | bin | my fstab just posted to #flood, added sda5 and sda11 myself |
| 17:00.30 | azreal | Aptiva: thays the first command, its "root (hdX,X)" |
| 17:00.38 | Aptiva | k |
| 17:00.44 | Aptiva | and I replace X with 0 ? |
| 17:01.06 | azreal | 0,0 is bios disk 1 partition 1 |
| 17:01.17 | Aptiva | ok |
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| 17:01.31 | petros | where can i set the system default locale? |
| 17:01.42 | Aptiva | when I run root (hd0,0) I get that the type is ext2 |
| 17:01.46 | Aptiva | isn't that what debian uses? |
| 17:01.49 | alexscott | plop |
| 17:01.54 | xuser_ | What's a good/nice mail client? |
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| 17:02.09 | GNUbi | hello |
| 17:02.12 | caphuso | xuser_: mutt |
| 17:02.21 | azreal | Aptiva: its is whatever you configured it to be, if that is not your root fs, enter the right one |
| 17:02.27 | Aptiva | I just used autopartition |
| 17:02.40 | xuser_ | caphuso: A GUI one. |
| 17:02.56 | dbron | xuser_: mutt in an xterm |
| 17:02.58 | caphuso | xuser_: well, it's good/nice or GUI... |
| 17:02.58 | FieldySnuts | heh gui weenies |
| 17:03.00 | teclo | Hello, do you people know any distribution which will run on 8 MB of RAM (I know Debian 2.2 will, but Debian 3.0 won't) ? |
| 17:03.13 | azreal | when you type kernel /boot<TAB>, what do you see? |
| 17:03.19 | caphuso | xuser_: though some people seem to likee sylpheed |
| 17:03.23 | FieldySnuts | teclo: nope, that's just far too little to run anything these days |
| 17:03.29 | Aptiva | when I boot I get "uncompressing linux... invalid compressed format (err=1) --system halted" |
| 17:03.37 | zamolxes | techie, damnsmalllinux? |
| 17:03.40 | zamolxes | erm |
| 17:03.42 | zamolxes | sorry |
| 17:03.45 | zamolxes | teclo, damn small linux |
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| 17:03.51 | FieldySnuts | not in 8M, but hey maybe i'm wrong |
| 17:04.01 | R4Ndom | woohoo! my internets back up! |
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| 17:04.25 | teclo | zamolxes: thank you |
| 17:04.41 | caphuso | damn small linux is based on knoppix, it's not going to work with 8MiB of RAM |
| 17:04.43 | paulswm | !win R4Ndom |
| 17:04.43 | zamolxes | teclo, although, i don't know if you don't need an older kernel for that.. |
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| 17:04.46 | Aptiva | azreal: I just see vmlinuz... config... initrd... system.map.... |
| 17:04.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, R4Ndom! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
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| 17:04.50 | Aptiva | that's what I see |
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| 17:05.02 | zamolxes | caphuso right, i just thought of that :) |
| 17:05.10 | azreal | Aptiva: so that would be the right fs, then enter the right kernel and initrd |
| 17:05.16 | R4Ndom | I got a bit further.. What locale(s?) should I use? |
| 17:05.31 | Aptiva | azreal the right kernel is vmlinuz-2.4 right? |
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| 17:06.27 | teclo | what about Linux from Scratch ? Does it also use less memory and stuff ? |
| 17:06.31 | azreal | Aptiva: yeah, and the initrd is also in /boot/ not / |
| 17:06.39 | Aptiva | ok |
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| 17:07.07 | R4Ndom | What locale(s?) should I have generated? |
| 17:07.24 | Aptiva | I always get invalid compressed format! |
| 17:07.27 | caphuso | R4Ndom: those you want to use |
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| 17:07.40 | R4Ndom | What do they do, exactly? |
| 17:07.42 | jcarr | foo |
| 17:07.52 | caphuso | R4Ndom: localise your system |
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| 17:08.12 | R4Ndom | en_US? |
| 17:08.35 | caphuso | R4Ndom: do you want to use en_US? |
| 17:08.35 | Peaker | Hey, I installed the kernel-image-2.6.10 package, and the grub package, and ran grub-install /dev/hda. This is my first time using grub, is this enough for it to boot successfully and let me select an image from /boot? |
| 17:08.44 | R4Ndom | I.. don't.. know? |
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| 17:09.05 | raz_ | lo. what about the PCI access mode : BIOS / MMConfig / Direct / Any .... option in kernel ?? i got a simple computer =) |
| 17:09.10 | caphuso | R4Ndom: so we get to decide one for you? |
| 17:09.16 | R4Ndom | sure |
| 17:09.30 | R4Ndom | as long as you don't mess it up, please |
| 17:09.32 | Peaker | Anyone here uses grub? |
| 17:09.45 | Peaker | "grub-install /dev/hda" is enough? |
| 17:09.46 | raz_ | ask |
| 17:09.52 | raz_ | with question |
| 17:09.58 | raz_ | plz mate =) |
| 17:10.03 | Peaker | I did, got no response... |
| 17:10.16 | azreal | Aptiva: are you sure you are specifying the right initrd? |
| 17:10.18 | raz_ | a k.. didnt c |
| 17:10.21 | Peaker | * I installed the kernel-image-2.6.10 package, and the grub package, and ran grub-install /dev/hda. |
| 17:10.24 | Peaker | Is this enough for it to boot successfully and let me select an image from /boot? |
| 17:10.26 | caphuso | R4Ndom: do you happen to know in what country you live? |
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| 17:10.36 | Aptiva | I'm specifying the only initrd in /boot |
| 17:10.39 | raz_ | mh |
| 17:10.40 | caphuso | Peaker: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 17:10.40 | _mike | Hi |
| 17:10.43 | raz_ | i think yes. |
| 17:11.01 | raz_ | but rtm =) |
| 17:11.09 | oselite | hey, I installed debian 3.0 r2, and I'm having trouble with x, I have an Intel Extreme Graphics AGP 64mb card |
| 17:11.18 | _mike | I´´m on a knoppix and can´t install a SMCWUSB32 wireless |
| 17:11.19 | azreal | Aptiva: hmm, dont know then, unless its corrupted, or it is a bogus initrd or something. |
| 17:11.19 | oselite | and,I've tried all kinds of things to config X |
| 17:11.24 | caphuso | _mike: #knoppix |
| 17:11.25 | _mike | it uses a prism2 chipset |
| 17:11.45 | oselite | some people have told me that the default i810 driver won't help or something, help :( |
| 17:11.55 | oselite | could it be the framebuffer? |
| 17:11.56 | raz_ | what can i put on this kernel option if i have a simple computer ? : PCI access mode : BIOS / MMConfig / Direct / Any .... |
| 17:12.29 | valdyn | raz_: any |
| 17:12.29 | Gathond | raz_: the default iic is any, that is probably a good choicec |
| 17:12.29 | azreal | Aptiva: do you even need to use the initrd, just leave it out |
| 17:12.39 | raz_ | thx m8y |
| 17:12.54 | Aptiva | azreal: same error if I do that |
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| 17:13.07 | oselite | :*( |
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| 17:13.29 | wk1989 | hey guys |
| 17:13.38 | azreal | Aptiva: you need to get a rescue cd or something then |
| 17:13.41 | wk1989 | did skype stop working for you? |
| 17:13.43 | _mike | :( |
| 17:13.48 | R4Ndom | Oh sorry, US |
| 17:13.54 | Aptiva | azreal: oh k |
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| 17:13.59 | resiak | _mike: knoppix != debian. |
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| 17:14.12 | abrotman | or #wireless |
| 17:14.33 | wk1989 | did skype stop working for you guys? |
| 17:14.33 | azreal | Aptiva: might i suggest RIP, http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/ |
| 17:14.35 | HeavenWarrior | hey it told me when i run alsaconf that it has found my card and it wrote me that it has installed it but i get error alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 17:14.38 | jetscreamer | pain |
| 17:14.40 | HeavenWarrior | and still no sound |
| 17:14.50 | Aptiva | azreal: it's ok |
| 17:14.50 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 17:14.50 | dpkg | well, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
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| 17:16.33 | Peaker | caphuso: I read the grub README but I am still unsure if I am safe to boot or going to be stuck at an unusable prompt... |
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| 17:17.13 | caphuso | Peaker: grub has an interactive shell you can use to boot any random kernel on your disk |
| 17:17.27 | caphuso | well, assuming it's on a supported filesystem |
| 17:17.32 | _mike | no solution for SMCWUSB32? |
| 17:17.39 | drac | HeavenWarrior: I had problems like that, and 'udev' helped me thru it. |
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| 17:18.01 | resudaed | evening all, I have installed cupsys (and related packages), but when I go to add a printer from lpadmin, I get connection refused ... if I try to do it through a browser on localhst:631, there are no devices listed, any ideas? |
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| 17:18.30 | drac | resudaed: install foomatic-gui and configure your printer with it? |
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| 17:18.49 | HeavenWarrior | drac, udev is already the newest version. |
| 17:19.00 | resudaed | drac: I am on the other side of the city sitting on a windows box |
| 17:19.01 | drac | HeavenWarrior: ok, it was just an suggestion. |
| 17:19.09 | HeavenWarrior | drac, n/p |
| 17:19.19 | HeavenWarrior | in worst way i'm gonna back to FC3 |
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| 17:19.30 | shakparl | debian > fc3 |
| 17:19.30 | drac | resudaed: perhaps 'printconf' then? |
| 17:20.08 | HeavenWarrior | shakparl, of course |
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| 17:20.19 | Kraig | !x.org |
| 17:20.19 | dpkg | <daniels> x.org won't make it into sid for at least a while, possibly ever. right now we're working on making the modular tree (fd.o) actually work and be useful with the xfree86/xorg drivers, and that's where debian is probably going. Ask me about 'xorg' for more up-to-date information. http://tinyurl.com/5uo7a, or http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909#installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 17:20.29 | corallis | can anyone recommend a C source code vulnerability scanner available via apt-get? |
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| 17:20.54 | Kraig | !xorg |
| 17:20.54 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
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| 17:21.32 | HeavenWarrior | hey guys |
| 17:21.42 | resudaed | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 17:21.42 | resudaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.42 | resudaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.42 | resudaed | NameError: name 'pdbinfo' is not defined |
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| 17:22.02 | HeavenWarrior | what do you thing about Hurd and the fire that was exploded between R.Stolman and Torvalds |
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| 17:22.40 | revenger | HeavenWarrior: what happened? |
| 17:22.42 | drac | resudaed: you might need 'foomatic-filters-ppds' package.. |
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| 17:22.52 | dvs | HeavenWarrior, I never heard what Stallman had to say. Then again, Stallman is too much of a fanatic to me. |
| 17:23.05 | HeavenWarrior | dvs, yep |
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| 17:23.10 | HeavenWarrior | dvs, i think so |
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| 17:23.40 | HeavenWarrior | revenger, stolman says that torvalds is wicked to be used commercial software for linux kernel support |
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| 17:24.07 | HeavenWarrior | i'm gonna give ya a link |
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| 17:24.21 | dvs | HeavenWarrior, If it's evil, then make a kernel that doesn't have commercial software. Oh wait a minute: he doesn't have one. |
| 17:24.35 | HeavenWarrior | Hurd |
| 17:24.44 | HeavenWarrior | for 15 years it has run one program |
| 17:24.53 | HeavenWarrior | after more 15 may be something |
| 17:24.54 | HeavenWarrior | .. |
| 17:25.13 | HeavenWarrior | i'm against those scandals and sh*ts |
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| 17:25.19 | HeavenWarrior | cause union makes the power |
| 17:25.23 | whaq_ | hurd, it is the only OS now designed for the quantum computing era.. |
| 17:25.23 | oselite | any ideas anyone? xfree86 is giving me the no screens found thing, could it most likely be the Framebuffer? since everything looks to be configured correctly |
| 17:25.33 | valdyn | !noscreensfound |
| 17:25.34 | dpkg | it has been said that noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 17:25.39 | HeavenWarrior | whaq_, i mean the kernel hurd |
| 17:26.05 | juhov | if you really care about getting hurd ready why don't you help develop it? |
| 17:26.42 | HeavenWarrior | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.46 | tazle | hmm |
| 17:26.49 | resudaed | drac : still no devices listed |
| 17:27.01 | HeavenWarrior | juhov i'm for linux kernel |
| 17:27.04 | HeavenWarrior | not Hurd |
| 17:27.18 | valdyn | HeavenWarrior: why should we care? its a _very_ old discussion that bitkeeper is the devil |
| 17:27.23 | tazle | Iwonder where Isshouldget /dev/ttyS0 from, since installing a debian kernel image seems to require it for making initrd |
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| 17:27.38 | HeavenWarrior | valdyn, yep |
| 17:28.09 | drac | resudaed: is module 'usblp' loaded? or is it even usb printer? |
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| 17:28.50 | jcarr | Hurd is awesome |
| 17:29.00 | jcarr | linux is dead, HURD will replace it rather quickly |
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| 17:29.08 | jcarr | HURD is the way of the future :) |
| 17:29.09 | recluxus | hi i'm looking for the binary repository for xserver-xorg on testing |
| 17:29.19 | Rawplayer | jcarr: go away here then |
| 17:29.26 | drac | !tell recluxus about get xorg |
| 17:29.31 | recluxus | i can only find ubuntu binaries and they really messed my apt rep |
| 17:29.55 | resudaed | drac : parallel (HP LJ-4L) |
| 17:29.57 | valdyn | tazle: what makes you think that? |
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| 17:30.06 | juhov | rawplayer: why? there's debian gnu/hurd too |
| 17:30.38 | jcarr | Rawplayer, how about debian gnu/feebsd? |
| 17:31.00 | drac | resudaed: ah, you have package 'ifhp' installed? 'Printer filter for HP LaserJet printers' |
| 17:31.02 | tazle | valdyn: it says "cp: cannot stat `/dev/ttyS0': No such file or directory" when it tries to build initrd image |
| 17:31.13 | randey | how to mkinitrd with modules in "foo" directory? |
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| 17:31.40 | tazle | although it also says rm: cannot remove `/tmp/mkinitrd.20521/.nfs01043e0c000000c4': Device or resource busy |
| 17:31.44 | resudaed | drac, the problem is that I have no devices listed to connect the printer to, |
| 17:31.44 | tazle | rm: cannot lstat `.' in `.': Stale NFS file handle |
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| 17:32.00 | resudaed | (from http://loalhost:631) |
| 17:32.05 | valdyn | tazle: you must be doing something stupid, theres a _lot_ of systems that dont even have a ttyS0 |
| 17:32.21 | tazle | valdyn: indeed |
| 17:32.28 | resudaed | drac or if I try with lpadmin, it says cannot connect to server |
| 17:32.32 | tazle | valdyn: which iswhy it seems strange to want it |
| 17:32.49 | resudaed | theia:~# lpstat -v |
| 17:32.49 | resudaed | lpstat: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused |
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| 17:33.31 | valdyn | tazle: if youre compiling your own kernel then theres not much point to use an initrd. just compile root fs and disk interface driver in, and go w/o one |
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| 17:34.08 | tazle | valdyn: I'm having problems with self-compiled kernels, and I would like to verify them on prebuilt ones, to help debugging |
| 17:34.15 | chfn | So, I use notebook and I seted every thing about temperature in the kernel. |
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| 17:34.32 | chfn | I would like to know a GUI app to know the temperature of my notebook |
| 17:35.13 | tazle | valdyn: is the creation process of initrd configured somewhere? |
| 17:35.44 | kaiowa | hi, always that i type gcc program.cpp based in curses i get the error: ejem.cpp:6:21: ncurses.h: dont exists in file or directory , any help plz?? |
| 17:35.49 | DrPete | how can I tell what a pci modem tty is? |
| 17:35.53 | tazle | hmm, apparently |
| 17:36.21 | dvs | DrPete, Look in your /var/log/messages file |
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| 17:36.41 | DrPete | dvs: oki |
| 17:36.44 | randey | second time : how to mkinitrd with modules in "foo" directory? |
| 17:36.57 | valdyn | !initrd |
| 17:36.57 | dpkg | initrd is, like, initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 17:37.07 | HeavenWarrior | !alsa |
| 17:37.07 | dpkg | alsa is probably On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 17:38.00 | dbron | Hi all, I am newer to sarge and found that modconf did not work on an installation I was looking at yesterday, is there a "new way" or was there a problem with the installation? |
| 17:38.21 | dbron | "did not work" = file wasn't found |
| 17:38.24 | Little_Dump | hello. I have sarge running with the 2.6 kernel on a Pentium M laptop. Would it save me alot of power to recompile say 2.6.10 for a Pentium M with processer scaling? |
| 17:38.37 | valdyn | dbron: its just not in the default install, so apt-get install modconf |
| 17:38.47 | dbron | valdyn: IC, thanks |
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| 17:39.29 | jasz | how do i burn cd's (data and audio) in debian? |
| 17:39.50 | xuser_ | cdrecord |
| 17:39.51 | zinx | jasz: cdrdao, cdrecord, or one of the many front-ends for one of the two |
| 17:39.52 | dbron | jasz: there is a good cd-burning howto at tldp |
| 17:39.54 | dvs | jasz, k3b, xcdroast.. |
| 17:40.13 | resiak | How do I make my screen beep at me? |
| 17:40.14 | Shimonn | wich topic should i ask for a problem with xhtml and javascript ? |
| 17:40.16 | jetscreamer | has the dpkg preinstall script borkedness been discussed? |
| 17:40.35 | Covener | Little_Dump: if you don't have cpufreq modules, yes. More important then the other stuff |
| 17:40.40 | jasz | ehm... frontends are (i suppose) easy to use... i need to know how to set up my IDE/ATAPI cd burner to be able to use it in linux. |
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| 17:41.06 | resiak | jasz: Turn your box off, put it in, turn it on again. That is, if you have discover. |
| 17:41.07 | zinx | jasz: include support for IDE cd drives |
| 17:41.07 | HeavenWarrior | arutha:/home/arutha# alsaconf |
| 17:41.08 | Covener | jasz: Just let it come up w/ ide-cd (in case you somehow setup ide-scsi), There is no extra work to do |
| 17:41.09 | HeavenWarrior | Unloading sound driver modules...done. |
| 17:41.09 | HeavenWarrior | Building card database.. |
| 17:41.09 | HeavenWarrior | Probing legacy cards.. This may take a few minutes.. |
| 17:41.09 | HeavenWarrior | Probing: opl3sa2 : FOUND!! |
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| 17:41.26 | HeavenWarrior | Setting default volumes... |
| 17:41.29 | HeavenWarrior | Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. |
| 17:41.31 | HeavenWarrior | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1061: No soundcards found... |
| 17:41.31 | resiak | HeavenWarrior: STOP! |
| 17:41.32 | HeavenWarrior | =============================================================================== |
| 17:41.34 | HeavenWarrior | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.36 | paulswm | jasz: you can use cdrecord with ATAPI drives in sarge |
| 17:41.36 | jetscreamer | !moron HeavenWarrior |
| 17:41.36 | HeavenWarrior | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.37 | dpkg | HeavenWarrior: You are moron #44 |
| 17:41.38 | HeavenWarrior | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.42 | resiak | HeavenWarrior: STOP PASTING! |
| 17:41.56 | chfn | Is there some debian theme packages in some APT port for superkaramba/karamba ? |
| 17:42.03 | HeavenWarrior | sp0x |
| 17:42.15 | Little_Dump | Coverner: I have stuff installed that required the kernel-headers for my current kernel, 2.6.8-1. Will I have to reinstall all those things if I install 2.6.10? |
| 17:42.18 | paulswm | jasz: cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus |
| 17:42.33 | jetscreamer | yes Little_Dump think so |
| 17:42.42 | HeavenWarrior | i'm getting back to FC# |
| 17:42.46 | jetscreamer | good |
| 17:42.49 | jetscreamer | bye |
| 17:42.56 | jetscreamer | don't let the door hit you in the ass |
| 17:43.01 | resiak | HeavenWarrior: If you want to ask a question, we'll try to help. But don't fucking paste! |
| 17:43.09 | HeavenWarrior | ok |
| 17:43.15 | HeavenWarrior | my fault |
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| 17:43.31 | HeavenWarrior | but i want to view what is printed to me |
| 17:43.33 | jetscreamer | there is #flood for pasting, or /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:43.35 | Little_Dump | jetscreamer: is there anyway I can find all the things that required the headers to install? I know a couple. But theres a couple more that I forget |
| 17:43.42 | paulswm | !beat HeavenWarrior for pasting in channel |
| 17:43.48 | resiak | HeavenWarrior: So look at it on your screen. Just describe your problem. |
| 17:44.03 | FieldySnuts | @lart paulswm |
| 17:44.08 | jetscreamer | Little_Dump, well when it borks you'll figure it out eh... :/ ... no, no idea here, but i don't know much. |
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| 17:44.17 | paulswm | !kill FieldySnuts |
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| 17:44.47 | paulswm | heh, hi FieldySnuts :) |
| 17:44.52 | jetscreamer | i thought it was *sittin in a tree* |
| 17:44.55 | FieldySnuts | er |
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| 17:45.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yeah .. well .. haven't used it in a while |
| 17:45.18 | paulswm | funny how violence escalates here |
| 17:45.36 | jetscreamer | violence is physical imo |
| 17:45.48 | jetscreamer | brains don't count |
| 17:45.50 | resiak | jetscreamer: And you're saying that IRC isn't physical? HERETIC! |
| 17:45.52 | paulswm | well you know what I mean |
| 17:46.06 | jetscreamer | anathema! |
| 17:46.06 | paulswm | virtual violence |
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| 17:46.48 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
| 17:46.53 | jetscreamer | i'll have to check it out |
| 17:47.01 | resiak | jetscreamer: Pratchett and Gaiman. _Fantastic_. |
| 17:47.07 | chfn | Is there some debian theme packages in some APT port for superkaramba/karamba ? |
| 17:47.12 | noloK | oh ye, you was talking about cd-rw |
| 17:47.19 | noloK | how i can enable the DMA on it? |
| 17:47.29 | paulswm | nolan: man hdparm |
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| 17:47.35 | jetscreamer | chfn, are you asking if you can apt-get supercaramba, or a theme that registers with it |
| 17:47.47 | paulswm | noloK: man hdparm |
| 17:47.54 | paulswm | nolan: sorry |
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| 17:48.02 | chfn | jetscreamer, a theme |
| 17:48.08 | noloK | using_dma = 1 (on) |
| 17:48.08 | chfn | jetscreamer, themes |
| 17:48.38 | jetscreamer | you *might* have better luck in #debian-kde or #kde ... me i dunno |
| 17:48.46 | noloK | it's on, but i still burn with average with 13x... |
| 17:49.34 | bin | some help with makedev, missing partitions after sarge install, thanks |
| 17:49.39 | chfn | jetscreamer, ok. i found themes in superkaramba website but I tried to use some and I got errors |
| 17:49.39 | noloK | paulswm any suggest? |
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| 17:50.05 | resiak | arafat: YOU'RE ALIVE! |
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| 17:50.14 | jetscreamer | bin, udev is installed by default i think, all i know. |
| 17:50.46 | bin | from googling, I need to create devices, i think i need help with that, |
| 17:50.49 | jetscreamer | chfn, no idea, you could try editing on a copy of the theme and see if you could fix it |
| 17:50.54 | paulswm | nolan: get your CD device's tech specs, read the manpage for hdparm and figure out what you can change. The hdparm manpage will tell you how to turn DMA on, incidentally |
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| 17:51.07 | chfn | jetscreamer, i know that but i'm without time. |
| 17:51.07 | paulswm | noloK: get your CD device's tech specs, read the manpage for hdparm and figure out what you can change. The hdparm manpage will tell you how to turn DMA on, incidentally |
| 17:51.13 | paulswm | nolan: sorry again |
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| 17:51.32 | resiak | !lose paulswm |
| 17:51.33 | dpkg | paulswm: You Lose. |
| 17:51.41 | jetscreamer | chfn, i know the feeling.... stuff not worth the time to fix, but it'd be nice if it 'just worked' |
| 17:51.46 | bin | installed sarge to sda1, /usr to sda10, have data on sda5, and a partition on sda11 (empty), sda5 and sda10 don't show up |
| 17:51.57 | florisbarthel | Hi, is there some command to see which processes are using the cdrom? Umount reports that the "device is busy" but I made sure to close all visible programs using the cdrom device |
| 17:52.02 | resiak | florisbarthel: lsof |
| 17:52.12 | bin | manually created entries in fstab to place them on /mnt, but didn't work |
| 17:52.26 | chfn | jetscreamer, i know how to fix. i'm devel but.. .without freetime for that. my freetime (now) i'm reporting bugs, suggestions for linux comunity |
| 17:52.41 | paulswm | noloK: I'm not trying to be a smartass, by the way, but you will learn and remember better if you figure it out for yourself, and the settings are device dependent anyway |
| 17:52.42 | bin | I read man makedev and googled, but can't figure it out |
| 17:53.04 | resiak | bin: If you're using udev, makedev won't help. Do you know if you are? |
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| 17:53.11 | carbomb | is it possible to install perl modules without root? |
| 17:53.17 | jetscreamer | report that one eh |
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| 17:53.24 | bin | don't know. sarge install early this morning |
| 17:53.32 | jetscreamer | like i said, udev gets installed by default iirc |
| 17:53.36 | noloK | paulswm yes, i know, thanks :) |
| 17:53.39 | jetscreamer | with d-i |
| 17:53.44 | resiak | bin: Did you install Gnome? |
| 17:53.47 | resiak | jetscreamer: It does? |
| 17:53.49 | resiak | jetscreamer: Oh. |
| 17:53.50 | paulswm | noloK: my pleasure :) |
| 17:53.53 | chfn | jetscreamer, :D thanks for your help man! ;) |
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| 17:53.59 | jetscreamer | did, i can't rem if they changed that though |
| 17:53.59 | ciga | hi |
| 17:54.06 | jetscreamer | also gnome installs it like he said |
| 17:54.28 | bin | i chose desktop and base system, some gnome apps installed automatically, i believe i have a gnome desktop available to boot into |
| 17:54.31 | ciga | I want to set up raid with sata using device mapper in sarge. what tools should I use? |
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| 17:54.37 | bin | in kde right now |
| 17:54.39 | resiak | jetscreamer: Hmm. Sorry, I should read the scrollback. |
| 17:55.10 | jetscreamer | bin, me i apt-get remove --purge udev myself, and might try that first if i was you... but hey, i'm not you |
| 17:55.24 | florisbarthel | resiak: thanks |
| 17:55.44 | bin | i'll try and locate it in synaptic first |
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| 17:56.05 | jetscreamer | it'll probably take gnome with it |
| 17:56.40 | bin | its installed, i'll readup on the readme files, already read man udev but didn't help me |
| 17:56.48 | bin | thanks |
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| 17:57.15 | indigirl1 | how is debian pronounced? |
| 17:57.25 | Zenethian | Deb as in Deborah, Ian as in... Ian. |
| 17:57.34 | Zenethian | its actually a contraction of those two names. :) |
| 17:58.03 | Zenethian | Now does anyone know how I get apt to STOP complaining about authentication problems? Stupid thing won't shut up. |
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| 17:58.43 | resiak | florisbarthel: No problem. |
| 17:58.47 | paulswm | indigirl1: Sometimes it's also pronounced "The absolute best GNU/Linux distribution out there", heh |
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| 17:58.57 | cheezwiz | I am trying to network an Hp LaserJet 1012 through a netgear print server. Does anyone have experience with this? Or know of a good tutorial? |
| 17:58.58 | jetscreamer | does anybody know what i have to change in /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure to fix it? |
| 17:58.59 | dvs | ha! |
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| 17:59.20 | jetscreamer | line 108? |
| 17:59.27 | jetscreamer | bad bracket? } ? |
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| 17:59.58 | juhov | jetscreamer: download new version from incoming.debian.org |
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| 18:00.38 | jetscreamer | fixed eh.. thanks |
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| 18:01.11 | jetscreamer | i either add a { or take out a } but i can't code fer shit |
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| 18:02.59 | l4vim | is this are good pleace to ask about racoon/setkey configuration ? |
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| 18:03.44 | dabreegster | I know there are various ways of changing keybindings, but which one should I use to make, for instance, the Num Lock key, when pressed, always run a command, no matter if I'm in vim, the shell, etc. |
| 18:03.45 | jetscreamer | great which one is it |
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| 18:06.09 | drasko | hello everybody! |
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| 18:07.16 | jetscreamer | ah debconf |
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| 18:08.29 | l4vim | my box is behind a NAT gateway but I have one external IP for my box and I want to use ipsec (racoon+setkey) to connect to another host. ICMP works fine but TCP not. tcpdump shows that my box recive packed (I suppouse that are SYN packets) but make no answer (setkey -D show that ESP's spi is correct) |
| 18:08.33 | drasko | anyone knows how i can download all .dep depandencies for some package? |
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| 18:09.09 | me | Hey I'm trying to set up my scanner for a 2.6.9 kernel, but I can't seem to find the scanner module, did they change anything since 2.4? |
| 18:09.12 | BeBrA | hello! I've problem with sensors package. when I try to use it I get sensors: relocation error: sensors: undefined symbol: libsensors_version |
| 18:09.30 | juhov | drasko: how about apt-get --download-only install <package>? |
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| 18:10.14 | l4vim | as I think the problem could be that my box have 192.168.x.y address but in Internet is visible but another (ofcourse ;) so - maybe this is a reason why packets are ignored |
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| 18:11.06 | drasko | juhov: Yes, that way I can download arbitrary package. But suupse I want to install that package on another machine without network. I will need all the other packages on wich it depends! |
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| 18:11.26 | Morrowyn | morning |
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| 18:11.48 | tazle | hmm, how to make dpkg -l show complete package names? |
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| 18:12.04 | popey | tazle, make the terminal wider? |
| 18:12.17 | tazle | bad option |
| 18:12.37 | caphuso | tazle: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
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| 18:13.09 | tazle | ah, right |
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| 18:13.56 | juhov | drasko: in that case, sorry, i don't know if it can be done automatically |
| 18:14.05 | jetscreamer | thanks juhov |
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| 18:14.21 | juhov | no problem |
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| 18:15.32 | ik-386 | i install debian kde and gnome now =) and its my firts day =) |
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| 18:16.15 | ciga | what is the name of the tool I can use device mapper for sata raid in sarge? |
| 18:16.29 | Morrowyn | whats the difference between dselect, dpkg and apt-get in debian? |
| 18:17.04 | ciga | apt-get and dselect uses dpkg. |
| 18:17.21 | jetscreamer | they're all front-ends to dpkg... aptitude is the new default |
| 18:17.40 | jetscreamer | default front end |
| 18:17.44 | ciga | apt-get install konsole, and it will install everything that is necessery |
| 18:17.45 | Morrowyn | ok |
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| 18:18.23 | Morrowyn | and where do i get the packagenames from? |
| 18:18.37 | FieldySnuts | they're downloaded as needed |
| 18:18.39 | bin | my partitions are listed properly in /dev/.udev, udev is installed, i have the udev binary, but there is no /udev in the / partition. is this the problem, how to fix? |
| 18:18.45 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search <word to search dor> |
| 18:18.47 | ciga | apt-cache search what you need |
| 18:18.52 | jetscreamer | for |
| 18:18.53 | Morrowyn | thanks |
| 18:19.11 | jetscreamer | man apt-cache |
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| 18:19.24 | Morrowyn | i will do that |
| 18:19.34 | juhov | bin: there's not even supposed to be a /udev, afaik anyway |
| 18:19.42 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge udev fixed stuff for me |
| 18:19.49 | Tr0gd0r | how do i unzip tar.bz2 files? |
| 18:19.54 | caphuso | Tr0gd0r: /msg dpkg tar |
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| 18:19.55 | jetscreamer | tar xvjf |
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| 18:20.08 | bin | the readme says it is supposed to be created when udev is installed, mine was installed when sarge installed |
| 18:20.19 | juhov | bin: ok, ignore me :) |
| 18:20.26 | ciga | dmraid is not debianized, right? |
| 18:20.38 | bin | jetscreamer, ok to apt-get remove --purge it? |
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| 18:20.44 | R4Ndom | how do I get the the Gnome desktop from "r4ndom@debian:~$"? |
| 18:20.49 | bin | juhov, sorry, |
| 18:20.58 | jetscreamer | bin, i do/did, ymmv, it will take gnome with it iirc |
| 18:21.04 | croepha | how do i convert an html file to a plain text file? |
| 18:21.15 | bin | ok, i'll try that now. thanks |
| 18:21.15 | jetscreamer | html2txt or something |
| 18:21.17 | caphuso | croepha: lynx -dump |
| 18:21.30 | bin | thanks juhov too ;o) |
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| 18:22.01 | Coke | I'm recording using Audacity on my emu10k1 (SB Live) card, but when playing that recording it is pitched down and choppy, as if it recorded with a rate that audacity doesn't support. How can I fix this? |
| 18:22.02 | caphuso | links and w3m work too |
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| 18:22.39 | jetscreamer | html2txt.sed? |
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| 18:22.48 | jetscreamer | wonder howthat works |
| 18:22.48 | R4Ndom | How do I get the the Gnome desktop from "r4ndom@debian:~$"? |
| 18:22.50 | Zenethian | Hmm, thats odd. apt-build world seems to behave strangely. |
| 18:22.56 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 18:23.01 | Zenethian | R4Ndom: did you install gdm? |
| 18:23.10 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm |
| 18:23.18 | R4Ndom | When would I have done that? |
| 18:23.22 | jetscreamer | or do you mean START it |
| 18:23.23 | Zenethian | Not yet. |
| 18:23.24 | Zenethian | heh |
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| 18:23.26 | bin | remove -purge udev, didn't remove some files because "not empty", took out gnome also, will try reinstalling now |
| 18:23.29 | Zenethian | try installing it first. |
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| 18:23.31 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, try startx |
| 18:23.35 | ciga | anyone knows how to use the device mapper from the kernel 2.6.10 in sarge? |
| 18:23.42 | caphuso | you probably don't want gnome and x-window-system |
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| 18:23.51 | caphuso | x-window-system-core is plenty in that situation |
| 18:24.01 | jetscreamer | bin, i told you it would... and it will installing gnome will reinstall udev also |
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| 18:24.28 | bin | yes, no problem, running kde now, don't need gnome |
| 18:24.33 | R4Ndom | "fatal IO 104 error" |
| 18:24.40 | R4Ndom | when startx |
| 18:24.42 | warchest | Has anyone noticed a bad dpkg release with sid ? |
| 18:24.45 | bin | can i install udev without gnome? |
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| 18:24.49 | Zenethian | Anyone here familiar with apt-build? I keep getting this error over and over again (with different package names): Sorry, can't find a2ps, is it already installed? (Remove it first, or try running 'apt-get clean') |
| 18:24.49 | warchest | i did a dist-upgrade now my dpkg is messing up like a mother. |
| 18:24.59 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, you need to apt-get stuff as root |
| 18:25.18 | jetscreamer | warchest, get the debconf package from incoming.debian.org |
| 18:25.35 | warchest | so it is messed up/ |
| 18:25.45 | Zenethian | probably |
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| 18:26.12 | EfaistOs | hi |
| 18:26.14 | Tr0gd0r | once i have done ctrl-c to get out of a program, is there a way to get back into it? |
| 18:26.19 | Tr0gd0r | from bash |
| 18:26.20 | EfaistOs | does someone have an ipod shuffle ? |
| 18:26.28 | warchest | that fixed it |
| 18:26.39 | caphuso | Tr0gd0r: ctrl-c quits the program, there's nothing left to go back to |
| 18:26.41 | FieldySnuts | ctl-c kills most apps, you'll have to restart |
| 18:26.43 | juhov | tr0gd0r: ctrl-c quits the program |
| 18:26.53 | Tr0gd0r | ps -a shows the program running |
| 18:26.54 | jetscreamer | dpkg, preconfig-fix is http://incoming.debian.org/debconf_1.4.44_all.deb |
| 18:26.54 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 18:27.09 | m0rbid|gone | Intel P200mhz is considered 386 for the kernel-image? |
| 18:27.17 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:27.21 | m0rbid|gone | ty |
| 18:28.11 | caphuso | isn't it -586? |
| 18:28.59 | jetscreamer | i know 386 will function, not positive about the others.. they might work. |
| 18:29.20 | jetscreamer | is it a ppro? |
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| 18:29.27 | m0rbid|gone | jetscreamer: no |
| 18:29.42 | Tr0gd0r | any way to kill a program besides kill pid, i tryed and it wont close |
| 18:29.47 | m0rbid|gone | jetscreamer: at least not to my knowledge. |
| 18:29.57 | m0rbid|gone | Tr0gd0r: kill -9 |
| 18:30.03 | m0rbid|gone | Tr0gd0r: kill -9 PID |
| 18:30.16 | caphuso | try kill -2 and kill -15 first |
| 18:30.41 | bin | any procedure for forcing a reread of mtab, rebuilding fstab, without rebooting now that i have udev installed? |
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| 18:30.57 | Tr0gd0r | one more thing, is there a way to see how much space a folder uses in bash? |
| 18:31.06 | juhov | tr0gd0r: du |
| 18:31.08 | caphuso | Tr0gd0r: no, but you can use du |
| 18:31.21 | R4Ndom | apt-get does not find gnome |
| 18:31.58 | m0rbid|gone | R4Ndom: apt-cache search gnome |
| 18:31.59 | Tr0gd0r | 1520888 means 1.5gb? |
| 18:32.32 | m0rbid|gone | isnt 1520888 in bytes? |
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| 18:32.42 | caphuso | Tr0gd0r: no, it means 1520888 blocks |
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| 18:32.50 | m0rbid|gone | ahh |
| 18:32.54 | m0rbid|gone | pwnd |
| 18:32.57 | Jon | is there a bug squashing party on this weekend? |
| 18:33.10 | m0rbid|gone | Jon: from what I heard yes. |
| 18:33.12 | R4Ndom | bigg list |
| 18:33.28 | lnx | hi |
| 18:33.38 | R4Ndom | okay, searched gnome, what do i do with the list thing? |
| 18:34.09 | m0rbid|gone | R4Ndom: did you try apt-get install gnome? |
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| 18:34.18 | juhov | apt-cache search ^gnome might give more useful results |
| 18:34.26 | R4Ndom | yes |
| 18:34.35 | R4Ndom | , it could not fid the package |
| 18:34.46 | m0rbid|gone | brb: rebooting to new kernel. Oh the anticipation of a kernel panic is near. |
| 18:35.22 | HelmutG | hi. how to debug cupsys? using canon S520, lp0, sarge i was able to print on a machine. using the same setup on another machine 2 months later does not work? |
| 18:35.37 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, you do that as root |
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| 18:35.44 | R4Ndom | yes |
| 18:35.47 | HelmutG | indeed cupsys prints white pages or stops after processing 1%. |
| 18:35.51 | Zenethian | Anyone here familiar with apt-build? I keep getting this error over and over again (with different package names): Sorry, can't find a2ps, is it already installed? (Remove it first, or try running 'apt-get clean') |
| 18:36.10 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, do apt-get update first, then install |
| 18:36.50 | jetscreamer | yes -586 for a pentium |
| 18:36.50 | R4Ndom | still couldn't find |
| 18:37.01 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gnome didn't work? |
| 18:37.06 | R4Ndom | correct |
| 18:37.16 | jetscreamer | woody? |
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| 18:37.23 | R4Ndom | yes |
| 18:37.27 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:37.37 | jetscreamer | if this is a desktop you need to go sarge |
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| 18:37.45 | jetscreamer | if this is a server you don't need gnome |
| 18:38.01 | jetscreamer | there is no gnome metapackage for woody tho9ugh |
| 18:38.08 | R4Ndom | oh |
| 18:38.14 | jetscreamer | you 'can' install gnome on woody, but it really sucks |
| 18:38.19 | jetscreamer | very old |
| 18:38.23 | R4Ndom | okay |
| 18:38.49 | jetscreamer | !woody->sarge |
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| 18:40.06 | R4Ndom | what would the other name for sarge be? |
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| 18:40.15 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, what you do is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and change anything that says woody or stable to sarge, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:40.43 | jetscreamer | testing, but put sarge not testing unless you want to go with etch when sarge goes stable |
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| 18:41.04 | R0bNyc | Hello, anyone here uses apt-build |
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| 18:41.49 | FLD | /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p TCP -i $RED_DEV --dport 445 -s 0/0 -j DROP |
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| 18:42.05 | FLD | how i can change that to 445-500 |
| 18:42.45 | caphuso | FLD: man iptables |
| 18:43.00 | FLD | -bash: man: command not found |
| 18:43.20 | idnar | WTF? |
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| 18:43.30 | m0rbid | Can someon help me please? I have a serial mouse, and a few PS/2 mice with the serial adapter, mdetect does not recognize any of them at all, I do not have a ps/2 port unfort, kernel 2.6.8-2-386, testing. |
| 18:43.31 | FLD | dont have manuals |
| 18:43.33 | FLD | so how? |
| 18:43.34 | zinx | FLD: this channel is for help with the Debian linux distribution |
| 18:43.37 | Delph | FLD: install the manuals. |
| 18:43.40 | FLD | cant |
| 18:43.48 | FLD | i want that information |
| 18:43.49 | Delph | FLD: yes you can. |
| 18:43.49 | idnar | hrm, what package is /usr/bin/man in anyway? |
| 18:43.50 | Delph | failing that, look at them online. |
| 18:43.53 | FLD | fast |
| 18:43.53 | caphuso | idnar: man-db |
| 18:44.03 | idnar | oh, it's a symlink |
| 18:44.07 | jetscreamer | apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 18:44.11 | FLD | is it --dport 445:500 |
| 18:44.14 | caphuso | which is "important" |
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| 18:44.32 | R4Ndom | How would I edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:44.38 | caphuso | R4Ndom: apt-setup |
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| 18:44.42 | Zenethian | with a text editor, or apt-setup |
| 18:44.44 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, nano is one way |
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| 18:45.09 | m0rbid | use vi to make it easier |
| 18:45.13 | m0rbid | ok that was wrong |
| 18:45.13 | m0rbid | lol |
| 18:45.37 | caphuso | vi at least doesn't do silly things with line breaks by default... |
| 18:45.38 | m0rbid | <-- Mouseless in New York. |
| 18:45.42 | zinx | FLD: dports |
| 18:45.45 | m0rbid | caphuso: true |
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| 18:45.52 | jetscreamer | yeah make that nano -w |
| 18:45.59 | m0rbid | indeed |
| 18:45.59 | jetscreamer | good point caphuso |
| 18:46.13 | m0rbid | speaking of point(ing)... |
| 18:46.16 | zinx | FLD: it's probably tcp rather than TCP, too |
| 18:46.48 | jetscreamer | you need to load the modules in the kernel m0rbid ... did discover not find the hardware? |
| 18:47.04 | jetscreamer | exactly which kernel, m0rbid |
| 18:47.22 | m0rbid | jetscreamer: 2.8.6-2-386 (image used) |
| 18:47.43 | m0rbid | mdetect returns nothing, and no.. discover doesnt see it either |
| 18:47.43 | g00se | Had a conflict with Kolab. It didn't like smtp already running. Commented out Exim start in inetd.conf and restarted. Was there more i should have done? |
| 18:47.49 | jetscreamer | btw the -586 works for that cpu i thnk |
| 18:47.59 | m0rbid | and I have tried several mice, but with the windows test hdd they work fine. |
| 18:48.21 | m0rbid | jetscreamer: oh?! lemme try to get that one then, wont hurt. |
| 18:48.29 | jetscreamer | okie m0rbid so apt-get install modconf |
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| 18:48.34 | caphuso | m0rbid: first step: quit visiting the future ;-) |
| 18:48.47 | jetscreamer | m0rbid, but the modules will be the same, it won't magically fix your mouse |
| 18:48.48 | m0rbid | caphuso: ? |
| 18:48.54 | Zenethian | nobody uses apt-build?! |
| 18:49.12 | caphuso | m0rbid: the latest major revision of the kernel is 2.6, not 2.8. 2.8 isn't coming out anytime soon |
| 18:49.16 | R4Ndom | Gah! Okay, I change all of the _Woddy_ 's to _Sarge_ , now what? |
| 18:49.29 | caphuso | m0rbid: second step: visit the OtherHardware page in the wiki faq |
| 18:49.35 | jetscreamer | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade R4Ndom |
| 18:49.38 | m0rbid | caphuso: sorry, I stand corrected, 2.6.8 |
| 18:50.01 | caphuso | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware |
| 18:50.16 | FLD | what means : bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 18:50.22 | FLD | and that file is tehre |
| 18:50.24 | usr010 | hello |
| 18:50.26 | g00se | Rephrased: is there more to disabling smtp than commenting out Exim start in inetd.conf? |
| 18:50.26 | m0rbid | WTF! my swap is gone! |
| 18:50.30 | caphuso | FLD: it means your #! line is wrong |
| 18:50.47 | R4Ndom | It didn't do anything... |
| 18:50.51 | jetscreamer | m0rbid, man swapon |
| 18:50.51 | usr010 | heh morbid ru joking? |
| 18:50.51 | zinx | usually a \r\n style newline at the end |
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| 18:50.59 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, as root |
| 18:51.08 | R4Ndom | I did |
| 18:51.17 | caphuso | g00se: you need to make sure that it doesn't get started by /etc/rc2.d/S*exim* |
| 18:51.18 | Tr0gd0r | anyone hosting a newer version than 3r4, 3r4 only has 2.2.2, i need a newer kernel and i dont wanna compile |
| 18:51.23 | jetscreamer | what did it say (error) |
| 18:51.27 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, |
| 18:51.35 | usr010 | why is my mem use at 100% its been idleing |
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| 18:51.41 | R4Ndom | yes? |
| 18:51.43 | g00se | caphuso: i thought something possibly like that thanks |
| 18:51.43 | caphuso | usr010: disk cache |
| 18:51.45 | m0rbid | Unknown HZ Value? |
| 18:51.53 | R4Ndom | oh |
| 18:51.55 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, what did it say (the error) |
| 18:52.01 | usr010 | 36% cache |
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| 18:52.28 | m0rbid | ahhh |
| 18:52.31 | m0rbid | fixed swap |
| 18:52.33 | m0rbid | =) |
| 18:52.50 | m0rbid | had to replace v0 with v1 |
| 18:52.50 | usr010 | should i make my swap bigger ? 1gig and 512 ram |
| 18:53.16 | jetscreamer | m0rbid, apt-get install modconf and load the serial mouse module things.. i don't know the names |
| 18:53.21 | g00se | caphuso: maybe that's *all* i needed to do (yr suggestion)? |
| 18:53.35 | R4Ndom | Grr... Is there a place to download sarge and install from cds? |
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| 18:53.47 | jetscreamer | !tell R4Ndom about d-i |
| 18:53.52 | caphuso | g00se: yeah |
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| 18:54.14 | jetscreamer | i like the netinstall, but the businesscard works just fine |
| 18:54.17 | g00se | caphuso: thanks |
| 18:54.28 | m0rbid | jetscreamer: thx! im in modconf now |
| 18:54.35 | R4Ndom | ?? |
| 18:54.54 | m0rbid | jetscreamer: if its a ps/2 on a serial adapter, is that serial too? |
| 18:55.05 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:55.10 | jetscreamer | serial yes |
| 18:55.21 | m0rbid | jetscreamer: thx |
| 18:55.21 | usr010 | nvrmnd 0 swap being "ab"used |
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| 18:55.31 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.42 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:55.51 | jetscreamer | ooops |
| 18:56.03 | Charmy | Can anyone help me with my sarge Debian install? I'm having a horrible time. =( |
| 18:56.07 | spider` | Anyone know the driver name for the promise 20378 card? (ide not raid) |
| 18:56.09 | g00se | caphuso: last q (promise): after changing config, what would have been quicker (and as safe) as telinit 6? |
| 18:56.19 | usr010 | mapping damean is eating up hella resources |
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| 18:56.32 | m0rbid | jetscreamer: can I just run update-modules or should I reboot? |
| 18:56.33 | caphuso | g00se: after changing config of what? |
| 18:56.41 | resiak | Charmy: How far have you got, and what's up? |
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| 18:56.48 | jcarr | vmware took all mah memory! |
| 18:56.50 | jcarr | :( |
| 18:56.51 | ederaam | Conferencia "The Future of User Mode Linux" on #linuxpreview en ingles .. #linuxpreview-es para espa+ol en 10 minutos :) on 10 minutes |
| 18:56.58 | g00se | smtp daemon or any for that matter. i.e. restart all |
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| 18:57.18 | bananana | wazzup |
| 18:57.24 | jcarr | ederaam, and who is the "expert" giving this talk |
| 18:57.28 | jcarr | "talk" |
| 18:57.36 | R4Ndom | how does netinstall work? |
| 18:57.37 | m0rbid | bananana: thx for the ctcp man, nothing like a driveby ctcp'ing |
| 18:57.39 | zinx | damn |
| 18:57.47 | zinx | i messed that up |
| 18:57.51 | TheTom | R4Ndom: netinstall works fine |
| 18:57.57 | bananana | m0rbid: A/S/L HOW R U |
| 18:58.01 | Charmy | resiak: Oh, its a long story.. let me try typing this out..: Okay last night i tried intsalling woody using idepci woody floppy disks. Everything worked until it tried to install the base system. it connected to the net, downloaded a few files then died with "debootstrap exited abnormally". No one had any clue what was wrong, and they suggested that possibly my install floppies were faulty. So I then used brand new ones, and tried installi |
| 18:58.07 | m0rbid | bananana: your in the wrong roon |
| 18:58.08 | usr010 | heh yeah net install got me where i am 2day |
| 18:58.14 | bananana | m0rbid: WAT |
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| 18:58.17 | Rockj | why does my box always give me ERROR 15 on Grub |
| 18:58.20 | Rockj | im going to get crazy :S |
| 18:58.29 | resiak | Charmy: Truncated at "tried installi" |
| 18:58.35 | bananana | m0rbid: A/S/L |
| 18:58.41 | resiak | Charmy: "...brand new ones, and tried installi" that is. |
| 18:58.55 | Charmy | resiak: used brand new ones, and tried installing sarge (untested), which many people here said was a great distribution.. (contd) |
| 18:58.56 | R4Ndom | what kernal does sarge use? |
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| 18:59.12 | ciga | 2.6.8 |
| 18:59.22 | Phated | Not necessarily. |
| 18:59.25 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, 2.4 something unless you type linux26 or expert26 at the boot: prompt |
| 18:59.29 | resiak | R4Ndom: Whatever you choose, basically. |
| 18:59.33 | Phated | 2.4.18, I think. |
| 18:59.40 | jetscreamer | no that's woody |
| 18:59.40 | Phated | Or was that woody. |
| 18:59.41 | Rockj | anyone have any idea how to get rid of this ERROR 15 thing? please? |
| 18:59.41 | Charmy | reisak: so anyway, i tried using a install CD of sarge, from the official mirror, however then i realized that this bios is old and can't boot from CD. So i was stuck and tried using SBM (the smart boot manager) floppy disk included on the install disk, designed specifically for BIOS who can't boot from CDROM. However, when i select the CDROM in the selectino menu, i get the error: "DISK ERROR! 0xAA" |
| 18:59.53 | ciga | kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 18:59.59 | R4Ndom | does it use the vanilla command thing at boot: promtp? |
| 19:00.03 | Charmy | resiak: So I then tried a floppy-based sarge install. I downloaded from the official site root.img, boot.img, and netdrivers.img |
| 19:00.22 | Phated | Oooh I love floppy netinsts. It's how I got Debian. :) |
| 19:00.28 | Charmy | resiak: attmpted to boot from that, however unlike woody's install disks, these ones cannot autodetect dhcp on my network, and manual network settings don't work, so i can't connect to the net and download files. |
| 19:00.29 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, no just hit enter for the default, or hit f1-2-3-4... |
| 19:00.34 | Charmy | resiak: So now I'm completely stuck. |
| 19:00.35 | scarynetworkguy | They are da bomb. |
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| 19:01.00 | m0rbid | jetscreamer: there is no kernel-image-2.6.8 for 586 |
| 19:01.04 | m0rbid | =( |
| 19:01.08 | jetscreamer | Charmy, just use the woody floppies and upgrade |
| 19:01.16 | resiak | Charmy: What do you mean, manual network settings don't work? What errors do you get. |
| 19:01.25 | resiak | jetscreamer: Woody didn't work. Read the scrollback. |
| 19:01.27 | Charmy | jetscreamer: but the woody floppies was where th eproblem began in the first place, as you can see if you check the first few lines. |
| 19:01.32 | jetscreamer | o |
| 19:01.35 | Phated | m0rbid: So use 386. |
| 19:01.43 | R4Ndom | netinst iso = floppy? cd? |
| 19:01.44 | m0rbid | Phated: thats what I have now, thx |
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| 19:01.46 | Charmy | resiak: No error. It just can't connect to the debian mirrors. (I tried abouta dozen) |
| 19:01.48 | m0rbid | reboot time, brb |
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| 19:02.00 | jcarr | heh, I got everyone stirred up in #linuxpreview and they had to +m the channel 10 minutes before the "speech" |
| 19:02.01 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, cd image to burn on a cd |
| 19:02.04 | resiak | Charmy: Have you another computer on the network? |
| 19:02.05 | R4Ndom | ok |
| 19:02.07 | [sLiM] | what file/folder contains what DE you can switch too? |
| 19:02.08 | usr010 | 386!! 386!!! who-Ah |
| 19:02.10 | nvz | I got a bunch of little small cuts on my hands I have no idea where they came from |
| 19:02.16 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, there are sarge floppies also |
| 19:02.19 | scarynetworkguy | Charmy: Have you made sure you're network is up? |
| 19:02.29 | Phated | jcarr: It's not a pr0nspam channel, then? |
| 19:02.33 | usr010 | why'd they codename it sarge |
| 19:02.38 | Phated | Because. |
| 19:02.42 | R4Ndom | toy story 2 |
| 19:02.42 | Charmy | resiak: Yes, and yes. Before turning this machine into a debian box, i had just made a via-network backup of the machine, as it used to be a win98 box |
| 19:02.44 | jcarr | Phated, nope |
| 19:02.55 | Phated | jcarr: Nice. |
| 19:02.57 | jcarr | they're actually having some presentation on the future of user mode linux |
| 19:03.07 | jcarr | I thought it was some pr0n/spam channel too |
| 19:03.08 | Charmy | resiak: Furthermore, woody's install disks DID detect DHCP _and_ it had installed a few files from the internet before giving me that error message that made me stuck. |
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| 19:03.19 | resiak | Charmy: During the install, try switching to another VT and pinging the other machine. This will help you to see where or if the errors are in your network configuration. |
| 19:03.21 | usr010 | Viva la pr0n! |
| 19:03.23 | gust1 | hi |
| 19:03.27 | Rockj | what do I have todo to get attention on my grub error 15 problem? :P |
| 19:03.34 | gust1 | :) |
| 19:03.36 | jetscreamer | apt-get install lilo |
| 19:03.45 | spider` | Anyone know if the promise fasttrack 378 is supported in linux? |
| 19:03.49 | gust1 | no , install grub ! |
| 19:03.51 | jetscreamer | or maybe grub-update |
| 19:03.53 | usr010 | didja try oogling it? |
| 19:03.55 | jetscreamer | he has grub |
| 19:04.02 | scarynetworkguy | spider`: What did google say? |
| 19:04.06 | Rockj | jethro: erm, my system is'ent even installed |
| 19:04.08 | Rockj | or, it installs |
| 19:04.09 | Rockj | reboots |
| 19:04.13 | Rockj | and the error comes |
| 19:04.14 | spider` | scarynetworkguy, i get old messages saying no |
| 19:04.25 | Rockj | TRIED both netinstall cd and full cd :S |
| 19:04.32 | jetscreamer | Rockj, i see you've been using the new sarge installer |
| 19:04.37 | resiak | !tell Rockj about enter |
| 19:04.39 | Charmy | resiak: ping it? Okay, what i'll do then... (tell me if this is right..) I will open up a windows command prompt on this winxp box i'm talking to you from.. and then on the other computer, begin trying to istall from a mirror (it always errors out).. with the following manual settings: 192.168.0.3, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1gateway, 192.168.0.1Nameserver |
| 19:04.52 | Charmy | resiak: and then from the winxp type 'ping 192.168.0.3'. is that right? |
| 19:04.56 | usr010 | in regards to your error 15 |
| 19:04.59 | usr010 | http://broadband.zoomtown.com/google/?q=grub+error+15&submit=Search |
| 19:05.13 | usr010 | rockj |
| 19:05.23 | resiak | Charmy: No, the other way around. Set up the network settings on the Sarge-to-be box, then ping the WinXP box with it. |
| 19:05.25 | jetscreamer | Rockj, choose lilo not grub, in the installer |
| 19:05.33 | abrotman | lilo is for girls |
| 19:05.46 | resiak | Charmy: You may have to turn off the WinXP box's firewall. This way you can see whether the problem is with the lan or the gateway. |
| 19:05.47 | jetscreamer | i got your girl, |
| 19:05.48 | usr010 | error 15 = file not found |
| 19:05.49 | Charmy | resiak: Ahh, okay. So I go ctrl-alt-f2 on the sarge-to-be-box, and type ping there? |
| 19:06.01 | resiak | Charmy: Yeah. |
| 19:06.07 | usr010 | odnt tuck tail an run 2 lilo |
| 19:06.15 | abrotman | !2 |
| 19:06.15 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 19:06.19 | Rockj | jetscreamer: hum, need todo expert install then, true? thing is. I tried that with netinstall image. it just installed grub anyway :S |
| 19:06.22 | usr010 | find prob fix prob |
| 19:06.26 | Phated | Eh! WTF is "lilo is for girls"? |
| 19:06.32 | abrotman | joke!? |
| 19:06.42 | zinx | Phated: you don't like lilo either? |
| 19:07.00 | Phated | zinx: No, I actually think grub is for girls. |
| 19:07.09 | Phated | I use lilo meself. |
| 19:07.12 | resiak | Heh. |
| 19:07.13 | nvz | see |
| 19:07.23 | jetscreamer | Rockj, jsut use that boot floppy we all know you made and fix grub |
| 19:07.25 | Charmy | resiak: how do i ping from the linux prompt. 'ping' doesn't work. |
| 19:07.26 | zinx | Phated: grub is for people capable of rational thought |
| 19:07.32 | resiak | Charmy: ...oh. :( |
| 19:07.35 | usr010 | dpkg I kno how 2 pheaking Speek & i like th way i speak |
| 19:07.35 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, usr010 |
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| 19:07.40 | resiak | Charmy: In that case, yes, ping the other way round, I guess. |
| 19:07.42 | Phated | Which is why it's for girls, zinx. |
| 19:07.47 | abrotman | usr010: stop talking like a damn moron |
| 19:07.49 | resiak | usr010: He's a bot, and you're being a moron. |
| 19:07.49 | scarynetworkguy | zinx: No grub is for people who don't grok Unix. |
| 19:07.50 | Rockj | jetscreamer: I made a bootcd ;p can I use that one? |
| 19:07.55 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Bah. |
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| 19:07.58 | Charmy | resiak: hm, no ping response after i set the network settings.. |
| 19:08.00 | Rockj | mind telling me some steps ? oO |
| 19:08.03 | usr010 | im just happy |
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| 19:08.09 | bananana | HAI2U |
| 19:08.12 | dupondje | hi guys, i'm getting 'nfs warning: mount version older than kernel' |
| 19:08.13 | abrotman | usr010: you're still a moron |
| 19:08.15 | zinx | scarynetworkguy: it's better than lilo, which is for destroying your system when you install a hard drive :/ |
| 19:08.15 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: ? |
| 19:08.25 | jcarr | Phated, I dunno though... their anglish aint great :) |
| 19:08.26 | Rockj | because I tried to just press enter after cd bootup. then press ALT+F2 for console. but in /dev/ there was no SDA :S |
| 19:08.27 | jetscreamer | Rockj, i don't know how to fix grub, i don't use it. it's easy though afaict |
| 19:08.34 | bananana | CNA SOMEONE HELP ME |
| 19:08.35 | scarynetworkguy | zinx: Odd. I've never had that go wrong. |
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| 19:08.45 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@1-2-5-7b.mal.sth.bostream.se] by caphuso |
| 19:08.45 | usr010 | well ur being a |
| 19:08.47 | jcarr | I think it's a scam... at the end of the "discussion", they will probably plug their porn site |
| 19:08.47 | Phated | jcarr: <shrugs> Doesn't seem to bad. You ain't never heard Singlish, have you. |
| 19:08.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 19:08.49 | zinx | scarynetworkguy: i have, on more than one occasion. i stopped using it. |
| 19:08.49 | jcarr | caphuso, LOL |
| 19:08.51 | paulswm | I used lilo for years, but grub is much better for me, it's a question of tools for the job, is all. |
| 19:08.54 | ApEtc | caphuso: danke |
| 19:08.56 | nvz | heh |
| 19:08.56 | resiak | Charmy: At the shell on the Sarge-to-be, see if ifconfig reports the right stuff. I have to say that I've never used the bootfloppies, so I don't know exactly how you went about setting the network settings. |
| 19:08.58 | abrotman | !ur |
| 19:09.00 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
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| 19:09.09 | jcarr | abauer, lmao |
| 19:09.12 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Nothign wrong with Grub. |
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| 19:09.16 | zinx | scarynetworkguy: i'd been booting off disks w/ the kernel directly written for many many years, and am thankful grub came along as the kernel no longer has a bootloader in it :) |
| 19:09.18 | abrotman | i'm not abauer :) |
| 19:09.22 | dnb | hi.. i'm using server via ssh and how can i activate mouse on my ssh screen ? |
| 19:09.24 | nvz | its that time of the week where it could be sunday somewhere in the world I guess |
| 19:09.29 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Yeah but it's not very Unixy is it? |
| 19:09.31 | jcarr | abrotman, blame xchat :) |
| 19:09.34 | Phated | 's Sunday here. |
| 19:09.39 | abrotman | jcarr: why? .. you misfired :) |
| 19:09.47 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: WORKSFORME |
| 19:09.50 | scarynetworkguy | Oh god. |
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| 19:10.02 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: I never said it didn't work. |
| 19:10.04 | Morrowyn | is there any news on when apple will release a quicktime plugin for linux? |
| 19:10.10 | resiak | Morrowyn: Try "never". |
| 19:10.12 | abrotman | apple ? |
| 19:10.14 | resiak | Morrowyn: Email them and complain. |
| 19:10.20 | Morrowyn | :-/ |
| 19:10.23 | resiak | Morrowyn: Then go use mplayer. |
| 19:10.36 | Morrowyn | well it cant play those quicktime plugins |
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| 19:10.43 | caphuso | weird, everyone's abusing the bots all the time, but nobody did an "!ops bananana"... |
| 19:10.45 | Charmy | resiak: it seems to match mysettings. int addr: 192.186.0.3. mask 255.etc. irq: 5.. io: 0x220 |
| 19:10.46 | Morrowyn | it plays .mov |
| 19:10.57 | Charmy | resiak: the irq/io were autodetected by the install |
| 19:11.00 | Rockj | anyone else who would mind spending a few more minuts on how to fix my grub? |
| 19:11.07 | resiak | Rockj: Define "fix". |
| 19:11.10 | abrotman | i only saw two lines from bananaa |
| 19:11.17 | Phated | caphuso: I was going to. Then you showed up. <shrug> One hoped he would shut up. |
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| 19:11.35 | Rockj | like what todo in console after I bootup the cd. as I get the error 15. but problem is that no SDA or HDA devices is shown in /dev |
| 19:11.43 | resiak | Charmy: Do you really mean 192.186? |
| 19:11.55 | Charmy | resiak: no. that was a typo here =) 168. |
| 19:12.03 | resiak | Charmy: Okay, just checking. |
| 19:12.04 | jcarr | why do linux channles always get someone showing up asking for help all in caps all the time? |
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| 19:12.12 | resiak | jcarr: PEOPLE SUCK? |
| 19:12.12 | tull | hello |
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| 19:12.38 | tull | would u recommend installing kernel 2.6? |
| 19:12.42 | Phated | resiak: I don't see men asking for animals instead. |
| 19:12.50 | resiak | Phated: Heh. |
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| 19:13.01 | Glitters | hello all |
| 19:13.06 | Charmy | resiak: the weird thing i wanna know is why woody could detect dhcp, but sarge cannot =( |
| 19:13.12 | valdyn | tull: for what? |
| 19:13.14 | tull | just installed debian and need to compile the kernel! should i get the new source? |
| 19:13.19 | Phated | resiak: They do! |
| 19:13.22 | Charmy | resiak: The woody install disks DID detect DHCP. |
| 19:13.24 | Rockj | resiak: I want to fix error 15, after install on my grub. If I boot up the cd with just press enter and then ALT+F2 to enter console, I see no SDA or HDA devices under /dev .. |
| 19:13.27 | resiak | Phated: So why is Charmy saying that they don't? |
| 19:13.27 | valdyn | tull: why need to compile a kernel? |
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| 19:13.29 | m0rbid | ok im getting closer, Old Old serial mouse works fine, and a trackball with serial adapter works fine, but none of the ps/2 mice work... Any ideaS? |
| 19:13.42 | Phated | resiak: I don't know. He;s your responsibility, not mine. |
| 19:13.46 | Glitters | would someone please help me set up my x window system core configurations? :( i'm trying since yesterday to do and no answer :( |
| 19:13.48 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Of course they do. Charmy is having a problem. |
| 19:13.51 | resiak | Phated: True enough. |
| 19:13.51 | dupondje | hi guys, i'm getting 'nfs warning: mount version older than kernel' <- how come i get this ? |
| 19:13.52 | tull | valdyn to add some modules for ati graphics card |
| 19:13.53 | nvz | m0rbid: from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 19:14.11 | valdyn | tull: you dont need to compile a kernel for that.. |
| 19:14.14 | Rockj | resiak: may it be something about how I partition my disk? I assume that grub can boot up EXT3? or do I need to make a small boot partition that got EXT2? and bootupflag on that one? still its quite odd as I have already tried that too :S |
| 19:14.17 | Charmy | Guys: it does TRY to detect DHCP, but it just fails to do so. |
| 19:14.24 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 19:14.24 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 19:14.25 | abrotman | !info mozilla-sunbird |
| 19:14.31 | abrotman | oh well |
| 19:14.32 | resiak | Charmy: Checked the wire, I guess? |
| 19:14.42 | johnfreez | abrotman, 0.2 just came out |
| 19:14.43 | johnfreez | or something |
| 19:14.43 | resiak | Rockj: Ext3 ~= ext2. |
| 19:14.44 | Charmy | resiak: Yes, the physical connection is fine. Woody was able to get to the net, and before that win98. |
| 19:14.52 | johnfreez | first official release or some junk |
| 19:14.53 | Charmy | resiak: NIC is fine. Its all the software, somehow. |
| 19:14.54 | tull | valdyn thanks |
| 19:14.56 | valdyn | tull: ok - maybe you do. I would recommend 2.6 then |
| 19:15.06 | Rockj | resiak: I know. |
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| 19:15.09 | Phated | Charmy: You -did- load the module, didn't you? |
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| 19:15.10 | msamsing | hey |
| 19:15.12 | abrotman | johnfreez: dunno about just .. i thouhgt i saw it a few days ago .. but whatever |
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| 19:15.14 | m0rbid | nvz: Im in 2.6 now, i got modconf, adn installed the serial modules, that made this trackball work with the serial adapter, I have a serial mouse that works too, but its one of those very old square ones from my PC History Display case.. =) Im trying to make one the other ps/2 mice work with the serial adapter now. |
| 19:15.25 | johnfreez | few days ago = just now |
| 19:15.25 | msamsing | how do i remove the "debian-menu" from the gnome-panel? |
| 19:15.29 | johnfreez | eHE |
| 19:15.30 | johnfreez | H |
| 19:15.37 | resiak | Charmy: Have you tried using the opposite kernel to the one that you're using? |
| 19:15.46 | Charmy | Phated: Yes, I got the image network-drivers.img, and it installed them, and i picked my card from the list. It lists TWO eterhetnet cards, eth0 and eth1.. which is very weird cause i only have one, but it did apparently auto-detect. |
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| 19:15.56 | Charmy | resiak: I don't know what opposite kernel means. |
| 19:16.01 | Phated | See, this is why I preferred the woody netinst. |
| 19:16.02 | tull | valdyn oh ok. cheers. |
| 19:16.08 | nvz | m0rbid: /msg dpkg worked in 2.6 |
| 19:16.09 | Phated | No stupid autodetection. |
| 19:16.11 | abrotman | johnfreez: i really thought i saw it there on monday or so |
| 19:16.14 | Rockj | resiak: but I have tried both using a little boot partition on 50mB with EXT2(bootupflag) and then SWAP and then ROOT(EXT3). Atm it is ROOT(EXT3,bootupflag) and SWAP. I still retreived the grub error 15 on both setups :S And I have tried to reinstall many times, using both netinstall cd and full image cd. |
| 19:16.20 | nvz | m0rbid: since greycat isnt here you can just leave his dues in the can |
| 19:16.30 | johnfreez | wow, just showed up on slashdot |
| 19:16.37 | Charmy | Phated: I would be delighted and thrilled to use the woody netinst, if it didn't blow up on me. |
| 19:16.37 | m0rbid | nvz: I dont get it |
| 19:16.39 | nvz | m0rbid: /msg dpkg worked in 2.4 |
| 19:16.40 | tull | valdyn do u know any good tutorial for the compilation? i dont know much, ill end up installing every module available |
| 19:16.46 | Phated | Charmy: Blew up how? |
| 19:16.49 | resiak | Charmy: Try booting with linux26 rather than linux. Also, why not try configuring the other one of eth0 and eth1. Do you by any chance have a firewire card? |
| 19:16.51 | valdyn | !kp |
| 19:16.51 | dpkg | hmm... kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 19:16.52 | m0rbid | nvz: what are you talking about? lol |
| 19:17.02 | Charmy | Phated: I get this weird error halfway through installing the base system from the net: "Deboostrap exited abnormally" |
| 19:17.03 | nvz | dpkg, worked in 2.4? |
| 19:17.03 | resiak | Rockj: I have no idea what you're doing wrong, sorry. |
| 19:17.03 | abrotman | johnfreez: ah .. it was the .2RC2 i saw |
| 19:17.03 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 19:17.19 | dupondje | hi guys, i'm getting 'nfs warning: mount version older than kernel' <- how come i get this ?? kernel 2.6.10, debian woody, testing |
| 19:17.22 | Phated | Ah. Lovely. Neevr got that, but... Did you retry a couple times? |
| 19:17.28 | Charmy | resiak: I don't have a firewire card. Also, i tried configuring both, and i turned my winxp software firewall off |
| 19:17.30 | valdyn | tull: i cant help you on how to configure it though, and i believe you can use a debian precompiled kernel too |
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| 19:17.52 | m0rbid | nvz, I had 2.4, but they didnt work in 2.4 either, I never had the module loaded, now that I have the serial module loaded (in 2.6) I got two mice to work. |
| 19:17.58 | Rockj | resiak: It's not much I can do wrong afaik :S I mean, it does the damn setup automatic :/ even if I tried to make lilo as bootmanager, it still installed grub. :S bah |
| 19:18.03 | resiak | Charmy: I have to be perfectly honest here: I have no idea what you (or it) are doing wrong. |
| 19:18.12 | Glitters | !dpkg reconfigure |
| 19:18.12 | dpkg | reconfigure is probably really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 19:18.22 | resiak | Rockj: Uh, if you chose lilo, it would use lilo. |
| 19:18.26 | Charmy | resiak: Yeah.. me too. ;_; seems i'm screwed. |
| 19:18.32 | Rockj | resiak: for some reason, it dident :S |
| 19:18.34 | Glitters | resiak :( |
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| 19:18.38 | Charmy | resiak: From limited options reduced to none, it seems. |
| 19:18.43 | tull | valdyn how do i use the precompiled kernel? went installing the source i have to choose the modules anyway |
| 19:18.45 | Rockj | don't ask me whats up with these debian installers :/ |
| 19:18.49 | valdyn | tull: install a 2.6 image, install suitable kernel-headers, install module-assistant and use that to make ati modules |
| 19:18.54 | resiak | Charmy: How many times did you try the Woody install? |
| 19:19.01 | dupondje | somebody knows ?? |
| 19:19.03 | resiak | Rockj: I fear that you're wrong. |
| 19:19.09 | Charmy | resiak: Twice. I can try a third time, with different install media, i guess. |
| 19:19.21 | Charmy | resiak: as in different physical disks, incase they are defective, but i doubt it. |
| 19:19.21 | abrotman | dupondje: your question doesn't make sense |
| 19:19.21 | oselite | hey if there isn't a graphics driver with the debian 3.0 r2 that i just installed (I'm on vesa right now :( ), what can I do? I hear there's some update on debian's servers |
| 19:19.23 | Phated | Rockj: It means you didn't actually choose lilo. |
| 19:19.23 | resiak | Charmy: Different media and a different mirror, perhaps. |
| 19:19.33 | resiak | oselite: Get Sarge, ftlog. |
| 19:19.41 | Rockj | I tried it two times :S |
| 19:19.42 | Charmy | resiak: Alright. I am confused why, if its the fault of the media and images.. it would actually get into the install at all though |
| 19:19.44 | dupondje | abrotman why not ? |
| 19:19.48 | tull | valdyn ok. thanks a lot. |
| 19:19.52 | tull | hasta people |
| 19:19.54 | dupondje | i should not get such a message ? :s |
| 19:19.58 | dupondje | and mount is last version : |
| 19:19.58 | abrotman | dupondje: 2.6.10 woody testing? |
| 19:19.59 | dupondje | :s |
| 19:20.03 | m0rbid | Charmy: when you use the Woody install, (ive done this MILLIONS of times) if you see a '+' next to a certain driver, its allready loaded, go right to the network setup util then. Restart the install. |
| 19:20.05 | resiak | Charmy: I doubt it's the media. Try selecting a different mirror during setup. |
| 19:20.13 | Glitters | how can i reconfigure the x-window-system-core?? |
| 19:20.16 | valdyn | tull: "apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 | grep ^kernel-image" and pick one that fits your cpu |
| 19:20.24 | oselite | resiak: that's the new debian or something ey? isn't there something else I can do, now that I have this installed? I hear there's something on people.debian.org/~nobse/xfree86 |
| 19:20.25 | Glitters | i forgot how to do it using dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:20.26 | Rockj | first time I marked both grub and lilo as I wasent sure which one I wanted. but when I came to install base system, it diden't make me do the last two steps. it just did them automatic and rebooted and came with the grub error. I retried, this time only choosed lilo. same problem :S |
| 19:20.27 | resiak | !drxx Glitters |
| 19:20.27 | msamsing | Glitters: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:20.27 | dpkg | Glitters: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:20.27 | oselite | but I don't know what to do with it |
| 19:20.29 | Rockj | but ill try abit more then :S |
| 19:20.39 | Rockj | probably some fancy order you have todo it in or something :/ |
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| 19:20.46 | Glitters | yeah right |
| 19:20.47 | Code | hello |
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| 19:20.49 | dupondje | yes abrotman |
| 19:21.14 | resiak | oselite: What? You've just installed Debian, right? And you want a workstation as opposed to a server, right? Just install Sarge. |
| 19:21.21 | Charmy | resiak: m0rbid: Okay, I'm going to burn a fresh set of woody idepci install floppies. Which mirror should i be getting them from? |
| 19:21.28 | Glitters | is'nt there anyway to do it as autodetect? cause i dont know how exactly to do it manualy, thats why my x server dont accept to start when my system starts..? |
| 19:21.32 | msamsing | does anyone know how to remove the "debian-menu" from the gnome-panel?? |
| 19:21.45 | oselite | resiak: that means that 3.0 r2 was only released for server purposes or something? I'm not too familiar |
| 19:21.47 | m0rbid | Charmy: go right to www.debian.org, itll walk you right thru it. |
| 19:22.03 | resiak | Charmy: I don't mean get the images from a different mirror, I mean choose a different mirror during the install. |
| 19:22.12 | Glitters | !drxx me |
| 19:22.13 | dpkg | glitters: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 19:22.16 | m0rbid | resiak: is he even on the net? |
| 19:22.18 | resiak | oselite: Woody is three years old. It's stable, but... |
| 19:22.19 | Charmy | m0rbid: Okay, i'm there. |
| 19:22.24 | abrotman | dupondje: no |
| 19:22.27 | msamsing | Glitters: autodetect what? |
| 19:22.29 | resiak | m0rbid: He had a half-successful Woody install. |
| 19:22.31 | Charmy | resiak: Okay. I'll try doing that once i get the install floppies for woody again. |
| 19:22.34 | resiak | !d-i oselite |
| 19:22.35 | dpkg | oselite, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:22.35 | Glitters | dpkg: its automatically prompt me to manual configuration |
| 19:22.35 | dpkg | Glitters: wish i knew |
| 19:22.40 | dupondje | abrotman wtf ?? |
| 19:22.41 | dupondje | :s |
| 19:22.54 | abrotman | !bobbitt |
| 19:22.54 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 19:22.58 | m0rbid | Charmy: was it downloading teh base then froze? |
| 19:22.58 | oselite | resiak: because it says here that Sarge is still testing and isn't stable and all of that |
| 19:23.01 | abrotman | dupondje: is your system woody or sarge? |
| 19:23.28 | dupondje | woody |
| 19:23.28 | resiak | oselite: Stable does not mean what you think that it does. |
| 19:23.28 | abrotman | dupondje: and you got 2.6.10 running on it? |
| 19:23.28 | Charmy | m0rbid: Not froze. I got an error "deboostrap exited abnormally" |
| 19:23.28 | abrotman | !stable |
| 19:23.28 | dpkg | it has been said that stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days. The current stable version of Debian is woody (3.0r3). |
| 19:23.28 | dupondje | yes |
| 19:23.28 | Glitters | when i fineshed apt-get install x-window-system-core , it first asked me if i wish to configure it as autodetect or manualy, unfortunatly i choosed manualy :( and since then i couldnt do it autodetect |
| 19:23.33 | abrotman | dupondje: why? |
| 19:23.42 | dvs | abrotman: Oops! Needs to be updated |
| 19:23.43 | m0rbid | Charmy: try using ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org as hte ftp install |
| 19:23.52 | abrotman | dvs: ? |
| 19:23.54 | oselite | resiak: what does it mean, lol |
| 19:23.55 | resiak | !tell oselite about woody desktop |
| 19:23.56 | m0rbid | or ftp://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 19:23.59 | dvs | 3.0r3? |
| 19:24.03 | resiak | !tell oselite about stable |
| 19:24.05 | dvs | abrotman: 3.0r3? |
| 19:24.09 | dupondje | better sata support :) |
| 19:24.17 | abrotman | dupondje: for a workstation? |
| 19:24.19 | dupondje | and sensor support in kernel |
| 19:24.20 | dupondje | yea |
| 19:24.27 | abrotman | dupondje: so upgrade to sarge? |
| 19:24.35 | abrotman | dupondje: honestly .. you're using the kernel NFS ? |
| 19:24.44 | resiak | abrotman, dvs: I've fixed the stable factoid. |
| 19:24.47 | m0rbid | although I prefer the http protocol vs. ftp, seems faster sometimes. |
| 19:24.49 | abrotman | !stable |
| 19:24.49 | dpkg | stable is, like, the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days. The current stable version of Debian is woody (3.0r4). |
| 19:24.51 | resiak | oselite: Read what dpkg just told you. |
| 19:24.55 | Glitters | maybe guys you can help me choose a proper driver for my x window... |
| 19:24.56 | oselite | LOL |
| 19:24.59 | drasko | if I have a b44.ko file in /lib/modules/kernel/2.6./drivers/net folder, can I just copy it in somewhere (where?) in my 2.4 kernel to make my net card work? |
| 19:25.00 | oselite | resiak: alright thanks |
| 19:25.00 | Charmy | m0rbid: Okay, i'll use that mirror once i get into the install again. for now though, can you tell me which palce is reliable and safe to get the idepci images? |
| 19:25.01 | dupondje | samba |
| 19:25.15 | Charmy | m0rbid: the 1.44 floppy images for i386 architecture |
| 19:25.15 | resiak | Charmy: The same place as before. I really doubt it's the install media. |
| 19:25.33 | abrotman | dupondje: you're not making sense .. at all .. 2.6.10 on woody testing with NFS from samba? |
| 19:25.46 | msamsing | Glitters: maybe |
| 19:25.56 | abrotman | dupondje: you're beyond any help i could offer .. i'm so confused . i think i'm gonna go put a dress on |
| 19:25.59 | m0rbid | Charmy: right off the website, when yu chose how to obtain, follow the lead for the floppy's, itll walk you right thru it if you follow the instructions link, they are all listed right there. |
| 19:26.00 | Glitters | -> i got a Dell Latitude D505, Intel 855GM/855GME (the video controler)... Ghz1.60 |
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| 19:26.26 | m0rbid | Charmy: Im in console with no hope for a browser, so I really cant help past the index page. |
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| 19:26.40 | Glitters | maybe someone have the same laptop and can help me choose a proper driver for the x window |
| 19:26.50 | m0rbid | Charmy: but the set you allreayd have should be sufficient. |
| 19:27.01 | m0rbid | Charmy: really no need to image new ones IMO. |
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| 19:27.31 | Charmy | m0rbid: well those install images i have i know work, however they are _not_ from an official debian mirror. they are from my university's website. |
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| 19:27.53 | Charmy | m0rbid: i thought maybe i'd make 100% sure that the images are good by getting them from official place. |
| 19:28.01 | m0rbid | Charmy: ok then, where are you now? |
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| 19:28.10 | jcurry | i'm trying to get cron to work, but it doesn't actually run the commands...my system log shows: 'Feb 5 14:05:01 [/USR/SBIN/CRON] (jcurry) CMD (/usr/bin/kdialog --msgbox "hello")', but the dialog box never appears. any help? |
| 19:28.51 | m0rbid | Charmy: gimme a sec, lemme get links installed and see if I can obtain a listing for you, ok? Ill do my good deed for the hour. |
| 19:28.59 | msamsing | Glitters: have you looked at tuxmobile.org? |
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| 19:29.07 | Charmy | m0rbid: Thanks. i'm checking a debian mirror for the images now, but its a labyrinth of folders. |
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| 19:29.15 | dvs | jcurry: Try doing something that doesn't involve X |
| 19:29.18 | dupondje | how can u upgrade to sarge ? |
| 19:29.22 | Glitters | tuxmobile.org ? |
| 19:29.31 | Glitters | www.tuxmobile.org |
| 19:29.32 | dvs | dupondje: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 19:29.41 | dupondje | k :d |
| 19:29.41 | msamsing | Glitters: yes |
| 19:29.46 | Glitters | i'll check whats that exactly.. |
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| 19:29.54 | usr010 | you kno whatd b cool |
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| 19:30.04 | msamsing | Glitters: reviews of linux running on laptop |
| 19:30.07 | msamsing | Glitters: s |
| 19:30.16 | jcurry | dvs, really? ok...but why can't i use X apps? |
| 19:30.19 | dupondje | is it easy to do ? |
| 19:30.22 | Glitters | sounds cool |
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| 19:30.30 | dupondje | cause i'm running debian woody testing atm |
| 19:30.40 | usr010 | ive seen linux run on lappys |
| 19:30.46 | usr010 | soo |
| 19:31.13 | dvs | jcurry: because cron spawns a new process as root |
| 19:31.38 | jcurry | dvs, and? why ca't root run x commands? |
| 19:31.42 | msamsing | Glitters: there is actually a review ... debian on your machine ... same video card :) |
| 19:31.52 | Glitters | msamsing: so should i now go to "Hardware" up there? |
| 19:32.02 | dvs | jcurry: Because the DISPLAY variable will not be set |
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| 19:32.21 | jcurry | dvs, so if i set env variables, it'll work? |
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| 19:32.26 | Glitters | msamsing: where did you get that? |
| 19:32.33 | dvs | jcurry: You can try |
| 19:32.41 | msamsing | Glitters: the laptop part ... dell .. and you find the latitude d505 with debian |
| 19:32.55 | jcurry | dvs, ok, thanks so much |
| 19:33.18 | m0rbid | Charmy: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-appendix#s-file-descs |
| 19:33.32 | m0rbid | Charmy: theres the whole list. get what you need |
| 19:33.50 | msamsing | Glitters: it looks like the person there compiled x himself, though |
| 19:34.09 | Charmy | m0rbid: Thank you m0rbid. I'll grab these. |
| 19:34.32 | m0rbid | Charmy: for a network install (recommended) you dont need the base floppies. |
| 19:34.36 | msamsing | Glitters: direct link ... http://asl.epfl.ch/~kolski/d505.html |
| 19:34.40 | Glitters | msamsing: thanks dude, i found it, i'll check what i can do in there |
| 19:34.49 | Charmy | m0rbid: Yes, i'll grab the same three sa before. rescue.bin, root.bin and drivers-1.bin. |
| 19:34.51 | Glitters | yeah i got it, thanks though ;) |
| 19:34.52 | msamsing | Glitters: your welcome :) |
| 19:35.05 | Charmy | m0rbid: i just pray that I do not get that horrible "deboostrap exited abnormally" error =( |
| 19:35.05 | m0rbid | Charmy: grab all 4 drivers |
| 19:35.21 | Charmy | m0rbid: I thought i was using the idepci set. |
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| 19:35.33 | m0rbid | Charmy: which processor? |
| 19:35.36 | Glitters | msaming: it says with CVS ...... |
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| 19:36.19 | m0rbid | Charmy: you have a hdd on an ide card? |
| 19:36.25 | Glitters | msamsing: but whats the x driver for it? couldnt find "CVS" in the list |
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| 19:36.51 | doublehp | I am about to swapon /dev/sdb1 ... how can I make it higher prority than other ones ? |
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| 19:37.07 | msamsing | Glitters: the guy there compiled xfree himself ... using the cvs version |
| 19:37.19 | dabreegster | I'm looking for a recommendation for a good soundcard that'll work with alsa directly without a lot of fiddling around. I'm pretty sure I have a few PCI slots that aren't in use. |
| 19:37.29 | msamsing | Glitters: but it isn't necessary i guess |
| 19:37.49 | msamsing | Glitters: which card did you choose configuring xserver-xfree86? |
| 19:38.06 | msamsing | Glitters: sorry about the english .. it is probably WHAT card ... |
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| 19:38.12 | m0rbid | dabreegster: there are tons |
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| 19:38.25 | Charmy | m0rbid: I use a pentium 133 upgraded to p200 with a winchip upgraded chip many years ago. |
| 19:38.35 | Charmy | m0rbid: I use a 10gig maxtor IDE hard drive |
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| 19:38.51 | m0rbid | Charmy: but is it on the motherboard (the ide slot) ? |
| 19:38.55 | drasko | i need some help about modules |
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| 19:39.02 | drasko | anyone? |
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| 19:39.05 | m0rbid | drasko: ask away |
| 19:39.06 | spamhog | Where do I tell init to start sshd at boot? |
| 19:39.09 | Glitters | msamsing: its ok i'm not englesh too, i tried at first alot of cards, but none of them worked well... |
| 19:39.18 | m0rbid | drasko: I fell asleep in mind reading class, sorry. |
| 19:39.27 | ivalladt | spamhog: man update-rc.d |
| 19:39.40 | dabreegster | m0rbid: Something not too expensive and very, very compatible with linux you could recommend? Preferably something that'll actually utilize my 2 speakers. |
| 19:39.48 | spamhog | ivalladt: tnx!!!! |
| 19:39.52 | Charmy | m0rbid: its hooked up on the motherboard through the primary ide channel |
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| 19:40.20 | m0rbid | Charmy: then you dont need idepci, just get the 1.44/rescue.bin and so forth |
| 19:40.39 | drasko | m0rbid: my b44 card wont work in 2.4.18 kernel I installed... Can I copy some files from 2.6.9 kernel I'm currently in to make it work? |
| 19:40.53 | Charmy | m0rbid: Are you certain? With the idepci set i only needed three disks. the other one i'll need 7.. |
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| 19:41.03 | m0rbid | dabreegster: anything sb compatible works fine, and if you use alsaconf itll be easier.. apt-get install alsa-utils. |
| 19:41.05 | audiomove | anyone know how to enable write access to files using webdav, tryed with <limit> but still only allows read access. |
| 19:41.23 | m0rbid | Charmy: almost certain, I am sure theres your bootstrap error right there. |
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| 19:41.46 | dabreegster | m0rbid: I've got alsa and all that. It just won't see my current soundcard, so I'm stuck with oss and one speaker. |
| 19:41.59 | ivalladt | dabreegster: which card |
| 19:42.05 | m0rbid | dabreegster: did you run alsaconf ? |
| 19:42.05 | boow | what is a good text editor for X non gnome or kde |
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| 19:42.07 | oselite_ | hey |
| 19:42.09 | m0rbid | dabreegster: as root |
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| 19:42.12 | dabreegster | m0rbid: yes, didn't see it |
| 19:42.17 | msamsing | Glitters: have you tried to uninstall x-window-system-core and install it again? |
| 19:42.17 | ivalladt | boow: emacs |
| 19:42.21 | dabreegster | ivalladt: cmi8330 onboard audio |
| 19:42.26 | msamsing | Glitters: i dont know if it helps!? |
| 19:42.32 | m0rbid | dabreegster: do lspci, what soundcard is it? and is it pci? |
| 19:42.42 | Charmy | m0rbid: okay, so you want me to get the original set of 7 floppy disks from the images-1.44 path.. rescue.bin, root.bin and drivers1-4.bin? |
| 19:42.46 | oselite_ | hey why is sarge 15 disks!! |
| 19:42.47 | dabreegster | hangon |
| 19:42.47 | ivalladt | dabreegster: used ALSA soundcard matrix to check if it's supported? |
| 19:42.49 | boow | something along the lines of gtk |
| 19:42.50 | m0rbid | alsa doesnt like ISA cards that much. |
| 19:42.57 | caphuso | oselite_: because it wouldn't fit on less |
| 19:42.57 | PerfDave | oselite_: Because it's got a lot of software? You don't need all of them. |
| 19:43.01 | dabreegster | ivalladt: it's supported, I checked |
| 19:43.11 | m0rbid | Charmy: yes, try that, cant hurt man. |
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| 19:43.15 | dabreegster | m0rbid: I get a bunch of weird info from lspci. |
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| 19:43.17 | Zap-W | how do i force all files and directories being created under a specific parent directory to inherent the parent's dir user and group ids |
| 19:43.17 | Charmy | m0rbid: Okay. |
| 19:43.21 | oselite_ | perfdave: alright, so I could just get the network install cd if I don't have too many cd-rs to burn and time to download? |
| 19:43.23 | dabreegster | I'm pretty sure it's PCI. |
| 19:43.29 | m0rbid | dabreegster: anything about your soundcard? |
| 19:43.31 | ivalladt | dabreegster: maybe simply discover doesn't load the modules for you, have you tried loading them manually? |
| 19:43.41 | PerfDave | oselite_: Yeah, though I'd recommend getting the first full cd - /msg dpkg full cd advocacy |
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| 19:43.47 | dabreegster | host bridge, isa bridge, ide interface, vga, vga compatible controller |
| 19:43.52 | dabreegster | ivalladt: tried it. |
| 19:43.54 | m0rbid | yah |
| 19:44.02 | m0rbid | its not PCI if it didnt list |
| 19:44.17 | m0rbid | it would say Multimedia Controller |
| 19:44.22 | m0rbid | or similar |
| 19:44.33 | dabreegster | modprobe fails with 'PnP detection failed, CMI8330 not found or device busy, FATAL: Error inserting snd_cmi8330 (/lib/modules/2.6.7-1-386/kernel/sound/isa/snd-cmi8330.ko): No such device' |
| 19:44.46 | dabreegster | it's an onboard audio chip or something |
| 19:44.52 | m0rbid | ahhh |
| 19:44.53 | caphuso | Zap-W: "chmod 2775", but that works only for the group, not user |
| 19:44.55 | m0rbid | goodie |
| 19:45.04 | dabreegster | to get oss to work, I had to manually load in sb and sb_lib |
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| 19:45.11 | dabreegster | m0rbid: anything useful? |
| 19:45.18 | dvs | dabreegster: lspci | grep audio |
| 19:45.24 | dabreegster | dvs: k |
| 19:45.33 | m0rbid | dvs took the letter right off my keyboard. |
| 19:45.37 | boow | if oss works why upgrade to alsa |
| 19:45.38 | dabreegster | nothing. |
| 19:45.39 | m0rbid | (s) |
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| 19:45.49 | dabreegster | boow: cuz only one speaker works |
| 19:45.49 | m0rbid | boow: it only plays one speaker |
| 19:45.52 | dupondje | i upgraded my woody to sarge |
| 19:45.55 | dupondje | gave no errors |
| 19:45.58 | dupondje | and rebooted |
| 19:45.59 | dvs | dabreegster: strange |
| 19:45.59 | dabreegster | both work (I've tried with a cd player) and they're connected |
| 19:45.59 | dupondje | and now :s |
| 19:46.02 | dupondje | not comming back :s |
| 19:46.07 | PerfDave | !tell dupondje about enter |
| 19:46.09 | m0rbid | dupondje: ? |
| 19:46.10 | dabreegster | but the soundcard will not send anything to the second speaker |
| 19:46.16 | Zap-W | caphuso: what is 2775? |
| 19:46.17 | ivalladt | boow: lower latency also, only important if you use soft synths or the like |
| 19:46.24 | PerfDave | !tell dupondje -about smart questions |
| 19:46.25 | m0rbid | dabreegster: might be a bad jack. |
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| 19:46.36 | dabreegster | m0rbid: no, I plugged both into a radio and they both worked |
| 19:46.48 | m0rbid | JACK, not plug |
| 19:46.53 | dabreegster | oh |
| 19:46.57 | m0rbid | =) |
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| 19:47.12 | m0rbid | try moving it around a bit while playing something. |
| 19:47.16 | dabreegster | ok |
| 19:47.21 | caphuso | Zap-W: man chmod |
| 19:47.33 | ivalladt | m0rbid: try cleaning your ears =:) |
| 19:47.37 | Zap-W | caphuso: yea it works , new dirs have parent dir gid |
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| 19:47.48 | m0rbid | if that dont work, pull out the soundcard, and go get the nearest hammer, smash it to peices, and get a new card. |
| 19:47.51 | m0rbid | ivalladt: ? |
| 19:48.02 | Zap-W | caphuso: drwxrwsr-x +s setuid ? |
| 19:48.03 | ivalladt | m0rbid: joking! |
| 19:48.08 | dabreegster | let me go find a hammer.... |
| 19:48.12 | caphuso | Zap-W: setgid |
| 19:48.15 | m0rbid | ivalladt: I know, just didnt understand =) |
| 19:48.21 | m0rbid | dabreegster: lol |
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| 19:48.28 | Zap-W | caphuso: thanks |
| 19:48.29 | Rockj | while booting debian installer |
| 19:48.31 | caphuso | note how the s is in the group permissions, not the user permission |
| 19:48.33 | macondo | how do i re-route the log messages on the console? using Guarddog and startx |
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| 19:48.38 | Zap-W | caphuso: yes |
| 19:48.39 | Rockj | how can I pause the screen ? |
| 19:48.51 | caphuso | Rockj: ctrl-s, and ctrl-q to resume |
| 19:48.56 | Rockj | looking on the messages that comes |
| 19:48.59 | Rockj | oki |
| 19:49.02 | Glitters | ok i give UP, how can i remove the installation of x-window-system-core, and reinstall it again!? |
| 19:49.07 | penta | what do you guys think about Black Berry 7100 ??? for emails |
| 19:49.17 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 19:49.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove xf4 is apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common (or ask me about "install xf4") |
| 19:49.18 | m0rbid | dpkg-reconfure x-window-system-core |
| 19:49.27 | m0rbid | erk |
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| 19:49.36 | m0rbid | dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system-core |
| 19:49.36 | dvs | Glitters: apt-get --reinstall install x-window-system-core |
| 19:49.41 | m0rbid | or that |
| 19:49.42 | sametc | hello I'm radio card is gemtek wizard radio isa&pnp I'm not is play |
| 19:49.49 | kaplanfx | whats a program that will let me convert a wma file into mp3 (or possibly ogg)? |
| 19:49.54 | dabreegster | If this helps, it's a Plug n Play CMI8330. Audio Adapter, according to dmesg. |
| 19:49.57 | m0rbid | sametc: apt-get install isapnptools |
| 19:50.10 | kaplanfx | I tried mencoder but it won't encode files without a video stream |
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| 19:50.15 | dabreegster | I've got the irq, dma, all that |
| 19:50.32 | boow | just covert it to wav then re encode it |
| 19:51.06 | m0rbid | dabreegster: lspci shows nothing of your soundcard? |
| 19:51.14 | dabreegster | Wonder why cmi8330 module would say pnp detection failed, but sb gets it.. |
| 19:51.18 | dabreegster | m0rbid: nothing |
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| 19:51.31 | boow | i forgot how you can do that with mplayer |
| 19:51.32 | m0rbid | does onboard ISA exist??? |
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| 19:51.41 | darkgamer20 | hello everyone |
| 19:51.43 | m0rbid | heh |
| 19:51.45 | dabreegster | I dunno. I've got a *really* old box |
| 19:51.55 | kaplanfx | boow: what progs would I use to do that? |
| 19:51.58 | Glitters | dvs: how come it remembers the last configuration? |
| 19:52.01 | m0rbid | dabreegster: how old? 486? |
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| 19:52.07 | dabreegster | Austin Computer Systems old. |
| 19:52.14 | m0rbid | =O |
| 19:52.15 | dabreegster | a 386. pentium 1 processor @ 133mhz |
| 19:52.16 | darkgamer20 | where can I get the *offical* md5sums for the debian sarge cd 1 iso? |
| 19:52.20 | dabreegster | I need to get a new comp :( |
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| 19:52.33 | dvs | Glitters: dunno |
| 19:52.39 | m0rbid | dabreegster: with PCI slots??!! and onboard audio!!?? |
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| 19:52.55 | boow | just a minute or two i will see it i can find the webpage i seen that on |
| 19:52.56 | m0rbid | thats one l33t 386 |
| 19:52.57 | dabreegster | m0rbid: not sure about pci slots, but I think. onboard audio? yes, apparently |
| 19:53.17 | m0rbid | dabreegster: with a 386, I wouldnt even try to run alsa |
| 19:53.20 | dabreegster | It's pretty quick and stuff |
| 19:53.28 | Glitters | dvs: :( everytime i install one of the linux distros on my laptop, i face a strange mysterious error!!! :S |
| 19:53.31 | darkgamer20 | where can I get the md5sums for the debian sarge cd 1 iso? |
| 19:53.37 | dabreegster | yeah, I've been told that before. but 1 speaker sounds horrible, and sound is a big part of my day. |
| 19:53.42 | darkgamer20 | someone please tell me |
| 19:54.01 | dabreegster | maybe oss can do real panning between speakers if the soundcard will cooperate. |
| 19:54.04 | m0rbid | darkgamer20: linuxiso.org has them |
| 19:54.08 | darkgamer20 | thanks |
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| 19:54.20 | m0rbid | (i think) |
| 19:54.24 | kaplanfx | thanks boow |
| 19:54.27 | dvs | oops! |
| 19:54.59 | m0rbid | dabreegster: Im not sure, Id say deal with it till you can at least get something > 133mhz |
| 19:55.01 | Zap-W | caphuso: drwxrws--- is set for the dir , new files created inside the dir have -rw-r--r-- , i dont want o+r , |
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| 19:55.27 | dabreegster | m0rbid: Yeah, I s'pose I'll come across a really cheap, newer system eventually. Thanks for the advice. |
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| 19:55.47 | m0rbid | dabreegster: you can find them really cheap at pricewatch.com |
| 19:56.01 | Eagle101 | guys, whats a good program for website editing...something similar to frontpage or dreamweaver??? |
| 19:56.02 | dabreegster | I'll try it |
| 19:56.10 | m0rbid | mobo/cpu bundles, or even a barebone system |
| 19:56.17 | darkgamer20 | hey umm I need the sarge md5's not woody md5's |
| 19:56.34 | darkgamer20 | linuxiso has woody ones |
| 19:56.39 | dabreegster | Actually, I have a P2 processor (600mhz I think) from a friend, but I have no clue how to even start building a PC. |
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| 19:56.42 | m0rbid | darkgamer20: you left before I could ask |
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| 19:56.47 | darkgamer20 | sorry |
| 19:56.53 | darkgamer20 | i was in ahurry |
| 19:56.57 | m0rbid | darkgamer20: Im lying, but seemed like a good lie. =/ |
| 19:57.02 | unixfool_ | I put an script in /etc/cron.hourly, but it doesnt seem to get run... what else do I need to do? |
| 19:57.12 | darkgamer20 | ok.. |
| 19:57.22 | darkgamer20 | but do you know though? |
| 19:57.33 | m0rbid | I dont. |
| 19:57.47 | Glitters | k i wanna REMOVE the x-window-system-core , so later on i can redownload it and reinstall it, how can i remove it? |
| 19:57.54 | boow | you'll need win32 codecs but mplayer file.wma -ao pcm -aofile file.wav should do it |
| 19:57.54 | m0rbid | bbiab |
| 19:58.07 | Gathond | Glitters: apt-get remove "package" |
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| 19:58.23 | Gathond | Glitters: but if you want to reinstall it why not just do that instead? |
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| 19:58.55 | boow | unixfool install anacron |
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| 19:59.10 | inteler | hi |
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| 19:59.35 | Ryuujin | Does apt delete configuration databases / files if not specified when doing eg. apt-get remove qmail |
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| 19:59.50 | darkgamer20 | well dose anyone know where i can find the debian sarge md5's? |
| 19:59.55 | tarzeau | Ryuujin: only with --purge |
| 20:00.01 | Ryuujin | tarzeau, thought so... |
| 20:00.04 | tarzeau | darkgamer20: it doesn't exist |
| 20:00.11 | dabreegster | Sweet. I don't see how a Duron 1.6ghz, 40gb hd, 128 ram, w/ case and no os can cost $200. |
| 20:00.12 | tarzeau | darkgamer20: or www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 20:00.14 | Ryuujin | tarzeau, do you know if it can be a change in qmail then? |
| 20:00.29 | tarzeau | Ryuujin: qmail ? isn't that djbd something? that's not even packaged! |
| 20:00.32 | Glitters | i also need to remove the package itself, cause i wanna download it again |
| 20:00.37 | kaplanfx | boow: yep sounds good, thanks |
| 20:00.37 | tarzeau | Ryuujin: it doesn't allow binary distribution! |
| 20:00.50 | ioxae | weee |
| 20:00.52 | inteler | van köztetek magyar? |
| 20:01.00 | paulswm | !nl |
| 20:01.01 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
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| 20:01.06 | paulswm | !hu |
| 20:01.06 | dpkg | hu is, like, Hungary |
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| 20:01.22 | Ryuujin | tarzeau, qmail is on apt... |
| 20:01.32 | Gathond | Glitters: but it does not need to be removed for that, and removing it is probably gonna take along alot of dependencies |
| 20:01.38 | tarzeau | Ryuujin: only its source |
| 20:01.49 | Ryuujin | tarzeau, well, does it make a difference? |
| 20:01.55 | tarzeau | Ryuujin: YES |
| 20:02.00 | Ryuujin | ..why? |
| 20:02.04 | paulswm | inteler: english here, I don't think there's a Hungarian channel |
| 20:02.13 | Glitters | !dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:02.22 | Morrowyn | funny link about the cia |
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| 20:03.19 | boow | i like debian configuration tools in slackware their config tools was vim |
| 20:03.32 | tarzeau | boow: not $EDITOR ? |
| 20:03.40 | Glitters | Gathond: even though i tottaly need to remove it, i dont want it to remember any previous configuration, and i want it to autodetect everything |
| 20:03.51 | tarzeau | Ryuujin: well imagine all the packages in debian was source and you'd have to compile before it runs |
| 20:04.06 | tarzeau | Ryuujin: doesn't scale |
| 20:04.08 | Ryuujin | tarzeau, just like ports (<3) |
| 20:04.13 | Gathond | Glitters: not sure about the configuretion no |
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| 20:04.33 | Ryuujin | tarzeau, it's for a production server for a small webhosting company I work for.. I run FreeBSD at home. |
| 20:04.35 | tarzeau | Ryuujin: you don't want to compile software on halfassed (slow) computers |
| 20:04.47 | Ryuujin | True. |
| 20:04.51 | boow | gentoo |
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| 20:04.53 | tarzeau | how does it matter what it's for, if you get it binary or source? |
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| 20:04.56 | paulswm | Glitters: when you remove it, use --purge with apt-get or purge with aptitude and it'll also remove config files |
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| 20:05.03 | tarzeau | that's so much of nonsense argument, like bullshit |
| 20:05.39 | Glitters | paulswm: like: apt-get --purge x-window-system-core ? |
| 20:06.05 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 20:06.06 | dpkg | remove xf4 is, like, apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common (or ask me about "install xf4") |
| 20:06.12 | valdyn | Glitters: ^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 20:06.19 | paulswm | Glitters: apt-get --purge remove ... |
| 20:06.27 | tarzeau | hi Fox_1_ |
| 20:06.31 | Glitters | oh ok |
| 20:06.32 | Glitters | thanks! |
| 20:06.33 | Fox_1_ | hi hi |
| 20:06.35 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 20:06.36 | paulswm | Glitters: :) |
| 20:06.42 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: how are you |
| 20:06.44 | Glitters | ;> |
| 20:06.51 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: fine, and you, in .am? |
| 20:07.19 | Fox_1_ | fine thanks |
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| 20:08.50 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: from where can i find good documentaion about making deb packege(step by step)? |
| 20:08.52 | Glitters | and after i do --purge remove xfree86-common, i will be able to apt-get install x-window-system-core again? with whol new log and conf files? |
| 20:09.06 | jordo23 | Does anyone know how my smb.conf file has to be in order to allow writing to the server? |
| 20:09.13 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 20:09.29 | tarzeau | jordo23: it's easier with nfs, if you can live without windows |
| 20:09.35 | Morrowyn | make sure your directories are writable |
| 20:10.10 | jordo23 | tarzeau: yeah, but I'm almost there...I have a connection from my windows xp box, and can view, but cannot write... |
| 20:10.53 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: does it work for java application? |
| 20:10.57 | Morrowyn | add: writable=yes |
| 20:11.12 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: see the www.debian.org/devel for java stuff, i hate java. |
| 20:11.25 | Morrowyn | and create and directory mode=755 or whatever |
| 20:11.49 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: why? |
| 20:11.49 | jordo23 | tarzeau if I post the file, can you take a look at it? |
| 20:12.03 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: i have my reasons |
| 20:12.13 | tarzeau | jordo23: no i don't want to |
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| 20:12.22 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: for example? |
| 20:12.32 | asg | Fox_1_: non-free, nuff said |
| 20:12.46 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: setting it up is a nightmare (you have anything else than x86? i do) |
| 20:12.57 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: and what asg says... man i have objective-c |
| 20:13.08 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: why should i ruin myself with java? |
| 20:13.18 | asg | tarzeau: congratz on the new livecd release by the way |
| 20:13.29 | paulswm | !beat java |
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| 20:14.02 | Zap-W | how do i set default mode for all subdirs of a parent directory ? |
| 20:14.04 | tarzeau | asg: thank you, it has some brilliant minor bugs, that i'll fix later. but can you see 0.9.4 is so near to 1.0 -- there's some really great things going at places that are not public, alot of nice things will happen this year |
| 20:14.18 | tarzeau | Zap-W: default mode? |
| 20:14.20 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: but objectiv-c not so powerfull(i think you will understand) as java |
| 20:14.22 | asg | tarzeau: cool |
| 20:14.25 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: HAHAHA |
| 20:14.32 | Fox_1_ | what? |
| 20:14.37 | Zap-W | tarzeau: like new subdirs will have a pre-defined mask |
| 20:14.39 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: objective-c is far superior. java is not so powerful i'd say |
| 20:14.43 | tarzeau | Zap-W: see umask |
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| 20:14.50 | Blisse | Fox_1_: actually it is a bit more powerful, in many ways, but it has a very bad flaw. |
| 20:14.52 | Zap-W | tarzeau: can it be set per dir? |
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| 20:15.04 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: how can java be powerful if it's artifically limited on a platform that nobody can afford? |
| 20:15.06 | Fox_1_ | how many classes it have? |
| 20:15.21 | asg | Zap-W: not without rewriting many userland tools and / or the vfs kernel subsystem |
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| 20:15.34 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: enough |
| 20:15.39 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: it's 20 years old! |
| 20:15.42 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: it's mature. |
| 20:15.57 | Zap-W | asg: isnt there an environment value i can set? |
| 20:16.12 | asg | Zap-W: no |
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| 20:16.33 | asg | Zap-W: the umask controls inhereted permissions when a command is run, no more, no less. |
| 20:16.34 | Glitters | ok THNK GOD the x window worked, but, i'm now facing an empty white-striped-like page with an "X" shaped mouse pointer, what should i do next? :S |
| 20:16.41 | Blisse | tarzeau: the fatal flaw of objective-C is that unfortunately it is very very informally defined, and it is completely in the hands of Apple who have extended it in often lamentable ways. |
| 20:16.46 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 20:16.53 | valdyn | Glitters: how did you start X? |
| 20:16.54 | tarzeau | Blisse: crap |
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| 20:17.00 | Laibsch | Hi! Today I dist-upgraded from woody to sarge. I think I may have stumbled across a release critical bug |
| 20:17.00 | Laibsch | and I am looking for help to pinpoint it before writing a bug report or to confirm that similar bugs |
| 20:17.00 | Laibsch | I have found reported already cover it. It all has to do with perl being in inconsistent state. That much I |
| 20:17.00 | Laibsch | have found out. apt-get dist-upgrade failed with an error about an undefined symbol Perl_gthr_key_ptr. |
| 20:17.00 | Laibsch | Googlin around I found this to be related to an inconsistent state of perl. 'dpkg -l perl*|grep ^i' tells me that |
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| 20:17.08 | Glitters | valdyn: using the command X |
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| 20:17.10 | tarzeau | Blisse: it's absolutely not in the hands of apple. |
| 20:17.19 | valdyn | Glitters: use "startx" instead |
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| 20:17.37 | Glitters | ok how can i get out of this session? |
| 20:17.42 | Blisse | tarzeau: Apple have bought the trademark and all the other IP rights. |
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| 20:17.51 | asg | Zap-W: now, if you were enterprising and your users amenable, you could provide wrappers to things like touch, mkdir, and so on that checked a mapping table or hidden file in a directory and did the right thing but that is far too much work. |
| 20:17.54 | harobed | hile, how can I know what version of gcc a library was compiled ? |
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| 20:18.28 | valdyn | Glitters: ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 20:18.38 | Blisse | harobed: use 'nm' to look for the gcc version symbol |
| 20:18.44 | Fat_Bob | I am a debian newbie am I in the right chat room? |
| 20:18.51 | tarzeau | Blisse: what apple bought is NeXT |
| 20:18.55 | Glitters | valdyn: thx man :> |
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| 20:19.09 | tarzeau | Blisse: and their implementation of the OpenStep specification (which is now Cocoa) |
| 20:19.15 | Rockj | I'm about to get crazy now :S |
| 20:19.18 | paulswm | Fat_Bob: we call it a "channel" and this is a good place to start, ask a question if you have one |
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| 20:19.40 | paulswm | Fat_Bob: oh, and welcome to debian :) |
| 20:19.41 | cg0def | do the ati drivers work on laptops? |
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| 20:19.49 | tarzeau | Blisse: they don't have any control over the ObjC in FSF GCC |
| 20:20.03 | Rockj | I choose LILO and it doesn't install it. it starts to install base system then it just reboots and comes with the stupid grub error again. must grub be gone. I WANT LILO :S |
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| 20:20.06 | valdyn | cg0def: that doesn't demind on the physical look of you computer |
| 20:20.13 | valdyn | cg0def: that doesn't depend on the physical look of you computer |
| 20:20.20 | tarzeau | Blisse: neither did they, back in 1989 when they shipped gcc 2.x with their products, NeXTSTEP and later OPENSTEP |
| 20:20.24 | Blisse | tarzeau: but that is just an implementation... and not even the most important... |
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| 20:20.37 | Laibsch | #flood |
| 20:20.38 | Glitters | hmm... it tells me window manager.. no "/root/.xsession" plus other things.... maybe when i removed the x-window-system-core, it removed with it the gdm? should i reinstall gdm? |
| 20:20.40 | cg0def | well I was thinking of buying a new laptop but it only comes with mobile radeon 9700 |
| 20:20.47 | Glitters | *no window manager |
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| 20:20.56 | cg0def | so I was trying to figure out if it'll run in linux |
| 20:21.00 | valdyn | Glitters: gdm is not a window manager, but sure, it was removed with that |
| 20:21.03 | cg0def | otherwise I'm not getting it |
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| 20:21.15 | harobed | Blisse, thanks |
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| 20:21.47 | spider` | hey all. I'm trying to use alsa. XMMS looks like its playing it but its not working. I have tried alsamixer and it doesn't help. |
| 20:21.54 | cg0def | valdyn: do you mean that the drivers work or not? |
| 20:22.02 | harobed | Blisse, it say "no symbol" |
| 20:22.09 | Glitters | valdyn: so whats the problem then? should i reinstall gdm or what? it also told me that no terminal emulator found... |
| 20:22.12 | valdyn | cg0def: you gave no usuable information, so no one can know |
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| 20:22.31 | Blisse | spider`: ask in #alsa, but if you do I shall tell you to just read the troubleshooting section of http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html |
| 20:22.38 | cg0def | valdyn: ati's site has some crap about the gpu on laptops being tailored for the specific display and that's why they supposedly cannot release a driver |
| 20:22.42 | tarzeau | Blisse: say you had the choice between java or objective-c what would you take? |
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| 20:22.48 | valdyn | Glitters: install a window manager or a complete desktop environment |
| 20:22.50 | Blisse | harobed: bad news... |
| 20:22.58 | ionrock | has anyone gotten an error with rhythmbox that it can't create a stream or something? |
| 20:23.00 | Glitters | valdyn: how? |
| 20:23.07 | Blisse | harobed: try using ;'strings -a | egrep -i gcc' |
| 20:23.16 | cg0def | but as far as I know the mobile radeon 9700 is a r360 core and it's supported by the ati-drivers |
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| 20:23.17 | ionrock | Could not create audio output element; check your settings <- that is the error I get |
| 20:23.22 | ionrock | I am using sid |
| 20:23.36 | valdyn | Glitters: apt-get install gdm gnome|kde|xfce4|wmaker ( whatever, the | means OR ) |
| 20:23.51 | spider` | Blisse, heh thanks :) |
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| 20:23.55 | Blisse | tarzeau: that's a very evil questtion. Historically I would have said Objective-C, but with Apple messing with it in the past many years and Java being so much better and reliably defined I'd say Java today. |
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| 20:24.01 | cg0def | valdyn: oh yeah I wasn't asking if the laptop is going to be supported under linux, I know that every other component is (except for the gpu) |
| 20:24.25 | RedPenguin | Is there a way to tell apt-get a list of files or packages to never remove? |
| 20:24.27 | tarzeau | Blisse: and you'd be using jdk/jre of who? |
| 20:24.31 | valdyn | cg0def: if you dont name your chipset then no one can help you, i have no idea myself on which work or which dont work |
| 20:24.34 | Glitters | valdyn: i previously downloaded and installed kde, is that enough? |
| 20:24.52 | Glitters | (apt-get install kde) |
| 20:24.58 | valdyn | Glitters: that too got removed when you remove X |
| 20:25.04 | Blisse | tarzeau: depends -- usually Sun, sometimes IBM, sometimes the Debian standard one. |
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| 20:25.04 | cg0def | valdyn: the gpu is m11 i.e. mobile radeon 9700 cpu athlon 64 |
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| 20:25.24 | tarzeau | Blisse: and the software you write works with any one of those? |
| 20:25.26 | valdyn | cg0def: christ, dont tell me, i already said i dont know which work |
| 20:25.28 | cg0def | valdyn: not sure about the northbridge but I think it's a mobile nforce |
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| 20:25.40 | cg0def | valdyn: sorry |
| 20:25.51 | Blisse | tarzeau: the point however is that while both Sun and Apple control their respective languages, Sun has done a much better job with Java than Apple with Objective-C, and that is pretty regrettable. |
| 20:25.52 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 20:25.52 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 20:26.06 | jack|h | are there any current issues with the mozilla-firefox package? |
| 20:26.10 | Blisse | tarzeau: and yes, by and large Java implementations are compatible, amazingly so. |
| 20:26.19 | tarzeau | Blisse: can you explain me some points what apple did wrong with objective-c ? |
| 20:26.27 | dark_light | what line in /etc/network/interfaces i should add to up the lo interface automatically? when i boot the pc, i have to type ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up |
| 20:26.30 | valdyn | cg0def: look at the site dpkg mentioned |
| 20:26.42 | cg0def | yeah I know thanks |
| 20:26.55 | Laibsch | Hi, I got stuck half-way through a dist-upgrade from woody to sarge. |
| 20:26.55 | Laibsch | I think I may have come across an RC bug and am looking for someone |
| 20:26.55 | Laibsch | to help me gather the necessary info before I proceed with the upgrade. |
| 20:27.12 | Laibsch | the info shall go to a good bug report |
| 20:27.17 | ApEtc | dark_light: auto lo |
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| 20:27.49 | dark_light | it was iface lo inet loopback. hum |
| 20:27.51 | dark_light | thanks ApEtc |
| 20:28.10 | ApEtc | dark_light: It's all in the interfaces man page. :) |
| 20:28.44 | Fat_Bob | I have a sony sdm-p234 wide screen and a ati mach64 video card with a regular monitor it works ok but with the wide screen it doesn't work? any ideas where to start |
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| 20:29.59 | dark_light | ApEtc well i read it several times and still don't get it, so i put the examples (and one of it was iface lo inet loopback) |
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| 20:30.18 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: look here http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/ |
| 20:30.37 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: and look in Objective-c and java. |
| 20:31.07 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: Objective-C - 20 and java - 3102 |
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| 20:31.13 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: haha, and ? |
| 20:31.26 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: you think millions can't be wrong, when one says the opposite? |
| 20:31.34 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: come on, look at history |
| 20:31.48 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: 99999999 people use windows, and 10000 use debian. so what? |
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| 20:32.40 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: but people make windows in debian or an other linux OS. |
| 20:32.57 | tarzeau | i don't get what your point is? |
| 20:33.10 | wahwah | hi. i'm running sid and have a problem with windows clients logging in per ssh. i have to enter the password again and again but no login occurs. any ideas why this happens? thanks for your help! |
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| 20:33.57 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: and 999999999999 people use C++ (Visuale C++ mostly), but history show as that a lots of people make it in java. |
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| 20:34.34 | sepski | wahwah, maybe wrong password, try login as a different user |
| 20:34.37 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: you think why? |
| 20:34.40 | edolnx | wahwah: Use SSH2 instead of SSH1 - it's under the SSH options in PuTTY |
| 20:34.52 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: there are all wrong? |
| 20:34.55 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: yes |
| 20:35.06 | Glitters | k thanks guyssss for everything, finally the damn x window started :D hehe, thanks |
| 20:35.20 | paulswm | personally I hate them both and will stick with C and FORTRAN |
| 20:35.22 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: maybe not wrong, but cumbersome |
| 20:35.25 | Stew2 | Anyone configured shorewall? I have a debian box that my Router DMZ's to. I want to Block access to the SMB service from the internet, and permit it from 192.168.x.x |
| 20:35.31 | valdyn | Fox_1_: i highly doubt that personal preference or even technical merits matter at all in most cases |
| 20:35.42 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: the people who used c++ then java, and the people who use java as first language? |
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| 20:36.10 | paulswm | java is great if you want to see how hot your CPU gets running at 100% for extended periods of time |
| 20:36.11 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: they didn't look at what's available before justing using what they got presented |
| 20:36.19 | dark_light | my clock is ever wrong, even when i set it on bios.. per example, in the pc the clock says 9:14, but the right time is 5:35.. maybe the linux don't like clock changes on bios, or maybe i am running a misconfigured ntp server, what should i do? |
| 20:36.24 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: they didn't evaluate what can make their job done most easy way |
| 20:36.37 | dark_light | ops. a ntp client. |
| 20:36.41 | sepski | stew2 edit your /etc/shorewall/rules file |
| 20:36.44 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: what can we call that? wrong? stupid? inefficient? unknowing? |
| 20:37.09 | moshii | update-menus no longer updates my KDE menu, does anyone know how I can fix this? |
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| 20:37.29 | wahwah | sepski: it's not a password problem |
| 20:38.00 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: no there are all living in past. there are not whant to see futcher(sorry for my bed english:))) |
| 20:38.33 | toresbe | sepski! Heilo :) |
| 20:38.35 | wahwah | edon: i think that was the problem - i have changed my sshd's configuration to use ssh2 only and now it works. i had Protocol 2,1 there first. thanks for your help! i was definetly searching for the wrong words |
| 20:38.49 | sepski | toresbe, :) |
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| 20:38.58 | toresbe | sepski: Setting up Debian on your Nord-100? :P |
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| 20:39.15 | paulswm | !beat all OO languages |
| 20:39.16 | sepski | toresbe, dreamer i tild you it's in pices :) |
| 20:39.29 | toresbe | sepski: ;) |
| 20:39.44 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: i know 4 programming languages - java, c++(c), prolog and ada. Of course ADA is the best one:) |
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| 20:40.22 | foooz | hey guys, got issues with gimp in sid, it installed fine, but when i start gimp its saying: |
| 20:40.27 | foooz | The GIMP requires Fontconfig version 2.2.0 or later. |
| 20:40.30 | foooz | The Fontconfig version loaded by The GIMP is 1.0.2. |
| 20:40.48 | valdyn | !info fontconfig sid |
| 20:40.50 | toresbe | Ada, the only anguish^Wlanguge written to Milspec! |
| 20:40.51 | dpkg | fontconfig: (generic font configuration library), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 20:40.56 | Charmy | Can anyone help me with my Debian Woody install? I can't get my network card to work. It is detected and installs fine, but when I ping the server computer, i get some activity on the hub, but no response from the computer. |
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| 20:41.06 | npx | hi |
| 20:41.11 | Elendil | hi |
| 20:41.18 | toresbe | hi |
| 20:41.21 | npx | hi |
| 20:41.31 | toresbe | hi |
| 20:41.32 | foooz | valdyn: i have 'latest' version installed, however its clearly not correct |
| 20:41.34 | npx | how are you? |
| 20:41.41 | toresbe | npx: hi |
| 20:41.51 | npx | toresbe, hello |
| 20:41.53 | Fox_1_ | toresbe: what? |
| 20:41.53 | chimaera | is it possible to move an application (e.g. xchat) to another x-session? |
| 20:41.56 | valdyn | foooz: 2.2.3-4 ? |
| 20:42.11 | npx | err laughs |
| 20:42.14 | npx | freudian slip |
| 20:42.25 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: where are you? |
| 20:42.31 | foooz | valdyn: yes |
| 20:43.05 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: here? |
| 20:43.07 | valdyn | foooz: what's the last line of "dpkg -l fontconfig" ? |
| 20:43.10 | foooz | valdyn: i seem to have 2, one in /usr/X11/lib and one in /usr/lib/ |
| 20:43.34 | foooz | # DPKG -l fontconfig |
| 20:43.35 | foooz | ii fontconfig 2.2.3-4 |
| 20:43.35 | foooz | ii libfontconfig1 2.2.3-4 |
| 20:43.35 | foooz | ii libfontconfig1-dev 2.2.3-4 |
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| 20:43.38 | dark_light | hey, anyone knows something about the linux clock? |
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| 20:43.45 | dark_light | my clock is ever wrong, even when i set it on bios.. per example, in the pc the clock says 9:14, but the right time is 5:35.. maybe the linux don't like clock changes on bios, or maybe i am running a misconfigured ntp client, what should i do? |
| 20:43.46 | foooz | woops |
| 20:44.09 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: and you does not whant anythink to say? |
| 20:44.33 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: no, i want to play nethack |
| 20:44.49 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 20:44.51 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: and play with GNUstep |
| 20:45.00 | tarzeau | (and Objective-C) |
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| 20:45.06 | valdyn | !find /usr/X11/lib/fontconfig sid |
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| 20:45.16 | Phated | tarzeau: I couldn't get it to boot... >.< |
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| 20:45.24 | valdyn | fooz: that does not exisit in sid.. |
| 20:45.24 | npx | CS:S is hell on my productivity |
| 20:45.24 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: i think you want a lot:) |
| 20:45.27 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/X11/lib/fontconfig' returned no results. |
| 20:45.27 | nostromo^ | how can i resend a message in mutt, please? |
| 20:45.29 | tarzeau | Phated: version 0.9.4 ? |
| 20:45.35 | npx | I'm like... "just one more headshot" |
| 20:45.36 | Phated | tarzeau: Yep. |
| 20:45.41 | valdyn | foooz: that does not exisit in sid.. |
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| 20:45.46 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: how to play netheck in GNUstep? |
| 20:45.50 | tarzeau | Phated: it worked perfect here, on a compaq deskpro, in qemu and vmware |
| 20:45.51 | foooz | valdyn: what does not exist in sid? |
| 20:46.05 | sepski | dark_light, ntp need the clock to be aproximatly correct to syncronice it. also set bios clock to utc then use tzconfig to set your timezone, unless you dualboot with windows then you have to keep the local time in bios |
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| 20:46.10 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/nethack.png or in Terminal.app |
| 20:46.16 | Phated | tarzeau: Back up, I thought it was a bootable livecd. X| |
| 20:46.26 | valdyn | foooz: /usr/X11/lib/fontconfig |
| 20:46.30 | tarzeau | Phated: it IS! |
| 20:46.40 | tarzeau | Phated: can you boot any other cds? |
| 20:46.49 | Phated | tarzeau: But it doesn't boot. My system just went right by it, and yes, I can boot other CDs. |
| 20:46.54 | foooz | valdyn: grr... its /usr/X11/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 |
| 20:46.57 | foooz | or something |
| 20:47.05 | tarzeau | Phated: i don't know what's wrong with your computer |
| 20:47.13 | valdyn | !find /usr/X11/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 |
| 20:47.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/X11/lib/libfontconfig.so.1' returned no results. |
| 20:47.23 | Phated | tarzeau: Me neither. :/ |
| 20:47.33 | tarzeau | Phated: at least we agree, the problem is your computer |
| 20:47.36 | foooz | valdyn: this is no use, thanks anyway, ill go battle again. |
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| 20:47.41 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: is there any sever to connect or what? |
| 20:47.46 | Phated | tarzeau: Well, if it boots there, it should be a problem here. |
| 20:47.48 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: nah, play it locally |
| 20:48.07 | valdyn | foooz: you have files installed that do not belong to debian at all, no surprise theres things going wrong |
| 20:48.09 | tarzeau | Phated: yes. do you have any other computer near you can try? local computer dealer? friend? neighbour? |
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| 20:48.44 | Phated | tarzeau: Not right now, but I'll drop by a friend's house sometime. |
| 20:48.53 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: but i want to play with you |
| 20:49.01 | tarzeau | Phated: i'll be glad to hear it works at least there |
| 20:49.08 | TheArtist | does anyone know of a good howto for scsi emulation on 2.6.10? |
| 20:49.14 | Phated | tarzeau: I hope it does. |
| 20:49.16 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: you can watch me! only my gf can play with me. telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 20:49.21 | valdyn | TheArtist: yes, dont use it |
| 20:49.50 | TheArtist | valdyn, i thought i needed it for burning etc |
| 20:50.00 | valdyn | TheArtist: you don't |
| 20:50.13 | TheArtist | valdyn, i did read that on a web page but i dont know the alternative/s |
| 20:50.29 | valdyn | TheArtist: cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso |
| 20:50.35 | TheArtist | valdyn, atm, i cant even mount a cd and mount crashes and wont be killed |
| 20:50.39 | moshii | TheArtist: you don't need scsi emulation anymore, it should just work ^^ |
| 20:51.02 | TheArtist | ok.. so i recompile and forget scsi emu altogether? |
| 20:51.10 | dark_light | sepski my timezone is my local timezone for now (america/fortaleza). maybe the linux thinks that i am using GMT when setting the clock. or.. oO |
| 20:51.13 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: i did not understand anythink |
| 20:51.23 | valdyn | TheArtist: scsi emulation is broken and not maintained, im actualy surprised its still not removed |
| 20:51.47 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: as i understand @ is you? |
| 20:51.53 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: yes, and d is my pet |
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| 20:52.02 | TheArtist | valdyn, yeah i read that too, so should i remove everything scsi emu related from my kernel? |
| 20:52.02 | sepski | dark_light, your bios clock should allways be gmt, yout tz converts that into your local time, if you set your bios clock to your local time you need tp put tz to 0 i guess |
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| 20:52.16 | valdyn | TheArtist: yea |
| 20:52.30 | sepski | only if you dualboot with broken os's like windows do you need to set your bios clock to your local time |
| 20:52.33 | bBBb | What's the difference between GNUstep and Window Maker? |
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| 20:52.45 | paulswm | dark_light: unless you are multibooting a Microsoft OS, in which case your hardware clock should be set to local time |
| 20:52.45 | Blissex | sepski: not quite, because your can tell linux whether the BIOS clock is GMT or local. |
| 20:52.49 | tarzeau | bBBb: Window Maker is a x window manager |
| 20:52.50 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: and what you must do? |
| 20:52.52 | bouncin1 | GNUStep is a complete re-implementation of NextStep. |
| 20:52.54 | TheArtist | valdyn, ok and my cdroms will go back to being /dev/cdrom0 and /dev/cdrom1? |
| 20:52.57 | tarzeau | bBBb: GNUstep is a toolkit (graphical and non-graphical) |
| 20:53.00 | Blissex | sepski: the kernel looks at the BIOS block on boot. |
| 20:53.03 | bouncin1 | Window Maker is a NextStep-like WM |
| 20:53.11 | bBBb | k |
| 20:53.12 | sepski | blitznl, ahh figures i never done that |
| 20:53.15 | valdyn | TheArtist: no idea, /dev/hdx is what i use |
| 20:53.15 | dark_light | i am multibooting a MS OS (well, not really, but i plan do it) |
| 20:53.21 | bouncin1 | NextStep, it should be noted, is quite cool. |
| 20:53.21 | sepski | Blissex, |
| 20:53.30 | dark_light | sepski but the linux use the timezone only for the clock? |
| 20:53.32 | TheArtist | valdyn, right ok, ill go give it a try, thanks mate |
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| 20:53.43 | paulswm | dark_light: then set your HW clock to local time, Linux doesn't care |
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| 20:53.58 | tarzeau | bouncin1: have you looked at GNUstep ? |
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| 20:54.05 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: and how can i play it in GNUstep? |
| 20:54.06 | paulswm | dark_light: just so long as Linux knows that it's set that way |
| 20:54.09 | tarzeau | bouncin1: have you used it? or OPENSTEP? |
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| 20:54.18 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: open Terminal, type nethack ? |
| 20:54.34 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: i'm not under linux |
| 20:54.42 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: nethack works not only in linux |
| 20:54.45 | deb-ik | y? |
| 20:54.53 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: so |
| 20:54.54 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 20:55.45 | juhov | r.i.p. |
| 20:55.47 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: you want play nethack? do it! |
| 20:55.56 | Fox_1_ | how |
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| 20:55.59 | Fox_1_ | under win |
| 20:56.04 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: www.nethack.org |
| 20:56.05 | juhov | fox_1_: www.nethack.org |
| 20:56.15 | tarzeau | juhov: you ascended? |
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| 20:56.20 | Fox_1_ | ok:) |
| 20:56.26 | juhov | tarzeau: twice, both valkyries |
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| 20:57.02 | juhov | tarzeau: a wizard was very near, but i don't remember exactly what got him |
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| 20:57.11 | tarzeau | juhov: my first one was a wizard, www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ascend/ |
| 20:57.17 | JohnGH | are you around paulswm? |
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| 20:57.36 | paulswm | JohnGH: yes, hi :) |
| 20:57.45 | JohnGH | hi, how are you? |
| 20:57.55 | JohnGH | I had some fun last night with the grub booting... |
| 20:57.59 | paulswm | Just fine, thanks |
| 20:58.11 | JohnGH | Good stuff :-) |
| 20:58.12 | bouncin1 | tarzeau: At the time, NextStep rocked. Especially the API's. |
| 20:58.23 | bBBb | so when I look at the GNUstep screenshot at http://www.links.mine.nu/gnustep/gnustep.org am I looking at Window Maker? |
| 20:58.26 | bouncin1 | Objective C sucks WAY less than C++. :) |
| 20:58.51 | Glitters | how to chroot to /bin/bash in the konsole (terminal) ?! |
| 20:58.54 | Blissex | bouncin1: in English they call that ``damning with faint praise''. |
| 20:58.58 | tarzeau | bouncin1: and now, not anymore? |
| 20:58.59 | paulswm | JohnGH: you got everything sorted out? |
| 20:59.06 | Glitters | "chroot /mnt/? /bin/bash" ? |
| 20:59.12 | JohnGH | I haven't tried booting an ISO from disk with grub yet, but last night I figured out how to create a bootable DOS partition all from within Linux... that was fun. |
| 20:59.17 | paulswm | Boo to OO and yay for functional decomposition say I |
| 20:59.20 | bBBb | s/org/jpg |
| 20:59.21 | ciga | I'd like to create a raid array on a sata disk using device mapper in 2.6.10, but dmraid says "No Software RAID disks". anyone knows how to do it? |
| 20:59.22 | Blissex | bouncin1: Objective-C is (or rather was) nice without any need to compare it to C++. |
| 20:59.23 | tarzeau | bBBb: you see the window manager Window Maker, and applications using GNUstep |
| 20:59.30 | tarzeau | bBBb: which is ApplicationKit and FoundationKit |
| 20:59.34 | JohnGH | I needed to be in DOS to flash the BIOS - mission accomplished there :-) |
| 20:59.36 | bBBb | ahhh |
| 20:59.43 | JohnGH | I've documented what I did on the web. |
| 20:59.49 | tarzeau | bBBb: which exist also on Mac OS X (called Cocoa there) |
| 21:00.08 | tarzeau | bBBb: greatest of it: you write software on GNUstep, and can compile it almost unchanged on OS X! |
| 21:00.17 | paulswm | JohnGH: Great, then an evening of achievement, enabling you to sleep soundly :) |
| 21:00.25 | JohnGH | I used memdisk (from syslinux), grub and the freedos bootfloppy image :o) worked like a charm. |
| 21:00.34 | paulswm | JohnGH: Great, I'd love to see it |
| 21:00.55 | Charmy | Can anyone please help? I can't get my network install to work. I've tried both Woody and Sarge, neither one works. It detects my network card fine, but i can't ping any of the other machines on the network, nor access the internet. |
| 21:00.56 | bBBb | I'm starting to see the light- thanks. |
| 21:01.06 | JohnGH | Yes, I slept like a rock, but I didn't get to bed till 5:30 which was a bit late because we had to be up this morning to go to doctor by 10:30 |
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| 21:01.09 | Mycot | ^_^ |
| 21:01.43 | Mycot | mamma quanta gente |
| 21:02.24 | bouncin1 | tarzeau: Now I don't really care. |
| 21:02.58 | bouncin1 | tarzeau: Now Apple dumbed down NextStep and turn it into OS X. Which I would still recommend over Windows any day. |
| 21:03.00 | paulswm | Charmy: do you have anyone at your school who can actually have physical access to your machine from whom you ca get support? |
| 21:03.17 | Charmy | paulswm: I'm afraid not. |
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| 21:03.41 | Charmy | paulswm: The frustraiting thing is that yesterday I was at least getting a successful DHCP detection, and woody was able to get a few files before that "Deboostrap" error. But now it can't even detect the DHCP at all |
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| 21:03.46 | paulswm | Charmy: it really looks like a hardware problem. |
| 21:03.48 | Charmy | paulswm: So the problem has worsened, andi have no clue why. |
| 21:04.03 | Charmy | paulswm: But paulswm, i had win98 on this box yesterday, and it was file sharing and playing LAN games no problem |
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| 21:04.39 | goron | What's the Debian Way of installing nvidia's binary drivers (so it doesn't screw up my libGL links)? I installed them by hand a thousand times (that's not the part I need help with). |
| 21:04.46 | bouncin1 | So check it out. The coffee shop I'm exploiting the free wifi at has a sign that says "Wifi for customers 18 years old or over" |
| 21:04.53 | pook | I seem to be having some problems with getting alsa to work. I cannot find any real good documentation. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 21:05.03 | paulswm | Charmy: then I stand corrected, it certainly seems bizarre |
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| 21:05.36 | Blissex | goron: use a precompiled Debianized kernel with preocmpiled Debianized NVIDIA drivers and libraries, not all kernel versions are suitable. |
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| 21:05.39 | Charmy | paulswm: Yeah.. I seem to be up the creek without a paddle |
| 21:05.45 | paulswm | Charmy: did you remove Win98 completely? |
| 21:05.53 | Eagle101 | help. can someone please please tell me where can i download bzip2 development files...thanks |
| 21:05.58 | Charmy | paulswm: Yes, the thing is gone. I wiped the hard drive. |
| 21:06.01 | dondelelcaro | Eagle101: apt-get source bzip2 |
| 21:06.05 | Blissex | goron: suitable kernels and libraries and driver packages are available both from Debian mirrors and from 'backport.org' |
| 21:06.08 | paulswm | Charmy: backups? |
| 21:06.11 | Glitters | why when i type login root in the terminal, it hangs for a couple of second and tells me login incorrect, instead of prompting me to a password for root? |
| 21:06.12 | Charmy | paulswm: I followed the partition scheme you recommended before. |
| 21:06.20 | Charmy | paulswm: Yes, i have backups of the files i wanted. |
| 21:06.25 | JohnGH | paulswm: Gee thanks *blush* I have a PILE of documentation I'm MEANT to do (like work stuff for contracts I've already finished) that I haven't delivered yet :-( |
| 21:06.27 | Rockj | oki, if I insert the bootcd, and enter console |
| 21:06.30 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: because root login on a console is probably incactivated. |
| 21:06.36 | Rockj | how can I chroot into /dev/sda when it isen't there? :S |
| 21:06.47 | Glitters | then how to activate the root in the console? |
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| 21:06.59 | bouncin1 | It's called "Ghost in the shell" |
| 21:07.02 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: if you have to ask that question, you shouldn't be logging in as root. |
| 21:07.03 | paulswm | JohnGH: well I'd like to read your documentation some time if you feel like sharing |
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| 21:07.19 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: just use sudo (or su -c) instead when you need to run something as root. |
| 21:07.21 | ThePiratemaster | hi all |
| 21:07.26 | Glitters | dondelelcaro: how should i know, its my first time on linux |
| 21:07.27 | goron | Blissex: But I use some specific modules, how do I know whether they will be included in those kernels? I am used to compiling my own kernels, because they just work. |
| 21:07.36 | JohnGH | paulswm: just putting it in the Debian Wiki :o) I'll give you the URL in two ticks. |
| 21:07.37 | paulswm | Charmy: perhaps install Win98 again and see if it still works |
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| 21:07.42 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: all the more reason why you shouldn't log in as root. |
| 21:07.47 | ThePiratemaster | i want to switch to debain. is it really as hard as they say? |
| 21:07.58 | Rockj | anyone? |
| 21:08.00 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: no, drinky nerds can install it. |
| 21:08.11 | ThePiratemaster | in stallation yes |
| 21:08.15 | Charmy | paulswm: o.o;; that took me hours upon hours to do, and months ago. I don't even have the win98 software anymore. |
| 21:08.16 | Blissex | goron: if you are used to compiling your own kernels, that's not the Debian Way :-) (not quite, but you get my drift) |
| 21:08.16 | ThePiratemaster | but configuration... |
| 21:08.16 | wahwah | can i tell mpg321 to wait until the audio device is free instead of complaining that it can't find a suitable libao driver and stopping? |
| 21:08.20 | ThePiratemaster | i read the website |
| 21:08.21 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: is trivial |
| 21:08.24 | paulswm | ThePiratemaster: gernerally, installing sarge (testing) is a breeze, but there are rare exceptions, one being Charmy in here now |
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| 21:08.33 | goron | Blissex: When I did apt-get install nvidia-glx, it wanted to install a 2.4 kernel. I am running 2.6 for more than 1.5 years. |
| 21:08.38 | Blissex | wahwah: no, thats a bit dumb. Use ALSA with sw sharing perhaps. |
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| 21:08.46 | Blissex | goron: brave man :-) |
| 21:08.53 | pook | i'm trying to get alsa to work. i'm not even sure if its up and running correctly. I am using the 2.6.10 kernel and support for alsa is built in |
| 21:09.08 | wahwah | Blissex: thanks for the hint, i'm having a look at that |
| 21:09.10 | ThePiratemaster | would it be wise to install it on a server/gateway that needs a good security? |
| 21:09.11 | Blissex | goron: I think there are Debianized kernels etc. with version 2.6.7 on backports.org |
| 21:09.25 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: yes... although, for such a thing, you want to install stable. |
| 21:09.28 | goron | Blissex: And they are known to work? |
| 21:09.34 | Charmy | Yeah.. I'm so frustrated.. windows was so much easier to install =( |
| 21:09.40 | paulswm | Charmy: that's what I was getting at re backups. The probelm is that your BIOS won't boot from CDROM so it's difficult to, say, boot up a live CD like knoppix to see if that works, or at least have better tools to try to diagnose. |
| 21:09.43 | ThePiratemaster | not the sarge |
| 21:09.48 | Blissex | goron: usually yes. |
| 21:09.49 | ThePiratemaster | so i need the woody? |
| 21:10.00 | Charmy | paulswm: Yeah.. its a very big shame I can't boot from CD.. |
| 21:10.00 | pook | !alsa |
| 21:10.00 | dpkg | alsa is, like, On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 21:10.03 | ThePiratemaster | it is 3 years old... |
| 21:10.09 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: sarge doesn't have security updates that are timely enough for a machine that needs to be secure. If you're running a box in production, you want to use woody. |
| 21:10.18 | ThePiratemaster | will it update the packeges like apache2 and vsftp? |
| 21:10.24 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: doesn't really matter... the software in it is known good, and isn't going to fail suddenly. |
| 21:11.07 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: there are backports available for those packages, but you're probably better off running apache anywya. |
| 21:11.17 | Charmy | paulswm: I just don't get why yesterday woody was able to detect DHCP, and today it can't. nothing has changed. and the network is still working fine. I have two winxp boxes on this hub and they are happily chatting away with each other. |
| 21:11.23 | goron | Blissex: Well, I will give Debian one chance to fuckup my system. Thanks :) |
| 21:11.24 | Eagle101 | guys...what the command to clean up after ./configure....is it make dist-clean or? |
| 21:11.24 | paulswm | Charmy: the alternative would be to download the first couple of CDs from the sarge distro and install from CD rather than over the net. I'm sure somone in here can help with that, it's not something I've done. Actually, or woody. |
| 21:11.25 | ThePiratemaster | well, one things for sure |
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| 21:11.42 | ThePiratemaster | there a really motivaed community behind it |
| 21:11.57 | dondelelcaro | Eagle101: usually... but typically there's no reason to. |
| 21:11.59 | ThePiratemaster | are you all this helpfull? |
| 21:12.05 | Charmy | paulswm: But if networking doesn't work now, i doubt it will work if i install via bootflooppies -> dist CDs. |
| 21:12.11 | Charmy | paulswm: The networking problem has to be fixed first.. |
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| 21:12.34 | paulswm | Charmy: but you will have a working system and diagnosis should be easier |
| 21:12.40 | orchid | Charmy: change the network cable just in case |
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| 21:12.47 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: no, then that's not particularly unusual in any community |
| 21:12.47 | Glitters | dondelelcaro: whats the full syntax of su? i cant do su -c |
| 21:13.07 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: su -c executes a specific command as root. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:13.16 | Charmy | orchid: But the cable worked yesterday. i'm positive its fine.. furthermore.. when i try pinging from the linux box to another machine, the hub detects activity (greenl ights flash), just no connection is made. |
| 21:13.17 | paulswm | Charmy: so I disagree. Get a system up and running, and then use it to diagnose the network. |
| 21:13.20 | Glitters | also, it didnt work |
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| 21:13.27 | dondelelcaro | !didn't work |
| 21:13.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 21:13.27 | Glitters | i did: su -c apt-get install gaim |
| 21:13.44 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: then you typed in the root password, and if you did it properly, it will work. |
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| 21:13.47 | Glitters | yeah i've red that before :P |
| 21:13.48 | Charmy | paulswm: Well, I don't have any blank CDs left.. I used my last one to try the netinst CD of Sarge.. which i can't use. |
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| 21:14.02 | Charmy | paulswm: Guess it means I'm out of luck till i buy more CDs? wish i could have just used the network install.. |
| 21:14.15 | ThePiratemaster | btw, how do i sign-up to help the apt-get project/ |
| 21:14.22 | TheArtist | valdyn, i recompiled the new kernel without anything scsi but when i try to mount with /dev/hdc it just hangs and mount cannot be killed. you know why? |
| 21:14.22 | Glitters | like this?: su -c [root password] ... ? |
| 21:14.32 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: hell no. |
| 21:14.42 | Glitters | dondelelcaro: ops :S |
| 21:14.48 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: you type su -c apt-get install gaim; then when it prompts you for the password, you enter the root password. |
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| 21:14.54 | ThePiratemaster | never mind i got it |
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| 21:15.05 | WASD4 | Hi |
| 21:15.18 | valdyn | TheArtist: i don't know, look at logfiles, dmesg |
| 21:15.25 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: you don't sign up for it, per se... you fix bugs, submit patches. If you know what you're doing, you'll eventually be able to become a DD and get commit access... but it all starts with fixing bugs |
| 21:15.26 | paulswm | Charmy: I understand, but your situation is very unusual and I don't think you have much of a choice. The fact that something worked yesterday and doesn't today makes it look like a non-OS-related problem, particularly as sarge should have no probelm with dhcp |
| 21:15.31 | Glitters | dondelelcaro: well i tried that, but it tells me Unknown id install |
| 21:15.46 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: oh, sorry... it probably wants su -c 'apt-get install gaim' |
| 21:15.56 | Glitters | with the ' ' ? |
| 21:15.56 | WASD4 | why canÄ't i install i get firefox via apt-get install mozilla-firefox ? (it says there i no such packet) |
| 21:16.02 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: yes |
| 21:16.04 | ThePiratemaster | i just want to do some art work |
| 21:16.15 | ThePiratemaster | im not much for a programmer |
| 21:16.21 | Blissex | WASD4: probably because there is no such package in the Debian edition that you use? |
| 21:16.24 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: art work for what? |
| 21:16.28 | Glitters | oh ok, it worked now, thanks |
| 21:16.29 | Charmy | paulswm: Well I guess its possible some hardware failure occurred in this short period.. but if thats the case, then why would i still be getting network activity? |
| 21:16.38 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: you probably want to install sudo and use that instead... |
| 21:16.46 | paulswm | !win ThePiratemaster for wanting to volunteer |
| 21:16.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, ThePiratemaster for wanting to volunteer! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:16.48 | ThePiratemaster | like their website, they're working on a new interface |
| 21:16.49 | Charmy | paulswm: And this machine has been stable for almost 10 years now.. why would it fail now? |
| 21:17.02 | WASD4 | i use the net install and apt is configured to get its packages via http |
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| 21:17.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell Glitters about sudo |
| 21:17.54 | paulswm | Charmy: it's really all speculation until you can get a system up and running and do some diagnostics, for all we know it's li'l green men from Titan :) |
| 21:17.56 | TheArtist | valdyn, i did and it shows the two disk drives loading and at the end of dmesg there is an error, but i dont know what it means |
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| 21:18.25 | Charmy | paulswm: The diagnostic tools which are availalbe on the installation disks aren't adaquete? |
| 21:18.33 | TheArtist | valdyn, can i show you in #flood? |
| 21:18.42 | paulswm | Charmy: I've offered you my best advice. |
| 21:18.52 | ThePiratemaster | i came from the suse distro. it has all kinds of need cute graphical stuff for everything. with i have to do EVERYTHING in bash when i switch to debian? |
| 21:19.01 | Blissex | WASD4: yes, but which Debian edition do you use: the official one (stable) or the beta one (testing) or the unstable one? |
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| 21:19.19 | Glitters | is'nt the command: net-setup eth0 ? |
| 21:19.28 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: no. |
| 21:19.31 | Blissex | ThePiratemaster: no of course, Debian comes with 13,000 packages many of which are graphical |
| 21:19.36 | sepski | Charmy, run tcpdump on the box you ping from, and the box you ping to, you'll see if the packet is sent, recived reply sent and reply recived , sometimes you can have a fault in one direction only, you should be ablt to get tcpdump onto the box with floppies or whatever |
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| 21:19.46 | Blissex | WASD4: I can help you, but dont msg... |
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| 21:20.00 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: the advantage being that you can do everything in a shell... this makes maintaining boxes that are separated by thousands of miles on slow links possible |
| 21:20.04 | Blissex | WASD4: if you want firefox, first you hve to say which Debian edition you are running. |
| 21:20.17 | Glitters | dondelelcaro: well.. what then? |
| 21:20.24 | Charmy | sepski: I don't have tcpdump on the windowsxp box.. is there an equivalent command? It if helps, i've tried pinging the manually configured IP address both ways. the server to the client, and the client to the server. |
| 21:20.25 | WASD4 | oh okay, sorry |
| 21:20.40 | Morrowyn | ThePiratemaster, wizards are just annoying guis that in the end write the same .conf files |
| 21:20.50 | WASD4 | im running on debian 3.0 rc2 |
| 21:20.57 | Morrowyn | so why not edit straight the .conf files |
| 21:21.00 | sepski | Charmy, hmm.. i think there is ethereal for windows... |
| 21:21.05 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: /usr/bin/sensible-editor /etc/network/interfaces; ifup eth0; |
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| 21:21.24 | Charmy | sepski: Hrm.. no such command |
| 21:21.25 | sepski | char0x30, the ping will only work if you can send packets both ways ie a ping and the reply |
| 21:21.36 | Blissex | WASD4: bad news, that is the 'stable' (official) version and it was released before Firefox came into existence. |
| 21:21.46 | sepski | Charmy, there is no useful tools included in windows you allwaays have to get them from the net, |
| 21:21.47 | Blissex | WASD4: what you can do is to get a backport though. |
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| 21:21.53 | eka | hi all |
| 21:21.56 | cheale1 | WASD4: are you using your PC only/mainly as a desktop? |
| 21:22.03 | eka | !tell eka about firewall |
| 21:22.04 | WASD4 | hmm and what exactly is a backport? |
| 21:22.04 | Blissex | WASD4: look at http://WWW.backports.org/ for instructions. |
| 21:22.06 | WASD4 | yep |
| 21:22.07 | Charmy | sepski: Hm. Okay. what tool would I need? |
| 21:22.15 | WASD4 | okay, thanks for help |
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| 21:22.25 | sepski | Charmy, any packet sniffer |
| 21:22.37 | Charmy | sepski: I'm not sure what that is.. |
| 21:22.40 | cheale1 | WASD4: you might want consider upgrading to sarge/testing if you didn't already |
| 21:22.48 | ThePiratemaster | i know that about wizards, but they are more efficiant if someone doesn't know all the details of his OS or the program he's running |
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| 21:22.51 | Rockj | anyone can tell me how to bootup my computer in "rescue" mode? |
| 21:23.00 | eka | i installed lokkit and restricted web server from outside but still can connect from outside any clue? |
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| 21:23.15 | sepski | Charmy, google for ethereal for windows |
| 21:23.37 | Morrowyn | you need winpcap too |
| 21:23.39 | Thaiger | Rockj, "rescue mode" sometimes listed in boot loader menus is simply single user mode |
| 21:23.41 | Morrowyn | to run ethereal |
| 21:24.00 | Charmy | sepski: Okay, downloading the 8mb binary then.. i'll install that. |
| 21:24.04 | Rockj | Thaiger: problem is that, it is the boot loader which doesn't run :S |
| 21:24.14 | Rockj | Thaiger: I get the grub error 15 :S |
| 21:24.24 | edolnx | Does /etc/network/interfaces support named tap/tun devices and configuring bridge interfaces? |
| 21:25.01 | ThePiratemaster | Rockj, try to make a floppy woth grub on it |
| 21:25.22 | ThePiratemaster | i tried that once and it worked |
| 21:26.05 | Rockj | ThePiratemaster: steps for how to create that floppy? oO |
| 21:26.13 | paulswm | Charmy: I wonder if it has something to do with the dhcp and the leasing. Win98 will probably be requesting a renewal of the lease, whereas the installs won't know about any leases, that's another reason at least to get a working system up |
| 21:26.24 | Rockj | but I thought I was supposed to be able to enter some kind of grub console even the config files where wrong :S |
| 21:26.36 | war- | Anyone know why I get this error? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ckyqy589.html |
| 21:26.36 | ThePiratemaster | i googled for a boot floppy and edited it a bit |
| 21:26.46 | ThePiratemaster | i'll help u look for it :) |
| 21:26.49 | ThePiratemaster | www.google.com |
| 21:27.04 | Charmy | paulswm: But I can't do that without blank CDs.. and even if I had them, I can't boot from CDs.. so i'd have to use the install floppies and then try to get a driver for the CD, and then install from that? |
| 21:27.05 | war- | Anyone know why I get this error? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ckyqy589.html (with Sarge) I cannot install libpng3-dev?? |
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| 21:27.24 | Charmy | paulswm: Its just frustrating.. are network installs supposed to be so picky about leases and stuff? |
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| 21:27.38 | paulswm | Charmy: even the woody floppies have a CD driver |
| 21:28.06 | Charmy | if thats the case, would the sarge network CD be of any use if I try installing from it after installing the cd driver via woody? |
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| 21:28.30 | paulswm | Charmy: I think your experience is kind of unique |
| 21:28.55 | Charmy | paulswm: I guess so.. |
| 21:28.55 | paulswm | Charmy: no, you'll be mixing distros |
| 21:29.16 | Charmy | paulswm: what if i use sarge boot floppies instead? |
| 21:29.16 | Glitters | ok after i 'apt-get install gaim' from the terminal, where gaim now in my system? |
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| 21:29.52 | Charmy | sepski: Okay, i have ethereal instaelled |
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| 21:30.12 | paulswm | Charmy: the net install that you already tried is getting stuff over the network that isn't on the CD |
| 21:30.29 | ThePiratemaster | rockj, are you in linux now? |
| 21:30.32 | war- | How do I select a different debian mirror for apt-get? |
| 21:30.37 | paulswm | dammit, I have a huge pile of blank CDs here :( |
| 21:30.41 | sepski | war-, apt-setup |
| 21:30.46 | war- | thanks |
| 21:30.52 | Charmy | paulswm: Well, does the sargee network install CD have more tools than the sarge boot floppies? If they do, maybe i can boot from the boot floppies and then get access to more network tools through the CD? |
| 21:31.15 | TheTom | is there a program like _chattr_ that works on ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 21:31.20 | Charmy | paulswm: i'm just trying to come up with new solutions that don't involve burning a bunch of new CDs, after waitin ga few hours to download images, and then burning images i'm not even sure will help my problem =/ |
| 21:31.22 | sepski | Charmy, run ethereal while pinging to see if the pings reach the xp, and see if the xp replies |
| 21:31.26 | paulswm | Charmy: I don't know, maybe someone else here can answer that |
| 21:31.26 | ThePiratemaster | can some one take some time to tell me the pros and cons or running debian? |
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| 21:31.34 | marcm | hey there |
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| 21:31.37 | Phated | ThePiratemaster: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 21:31.39 | paulswm | Charmy: I understand and share your frustration |
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| 21:31.46 | ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 21:31.49 | ThePiratemaster | tynx |
| 21:31.51 | Rockj | ThePiratemaster: nope, but I found http://www.desktop-linux.net/grub.htm |
| 21:31.59 | Rockj | brb, need to goto another computer for using floppy |
| 21:32.00 | marcm | I'm new to debian and would like to install the AMD 64 version. where do I get an install boot disk? |
| 21:32.10 | ThePiratemaster | :) |
| 21:32.15 | PitchForkLinux | Hi all, just installed an agp ATI all in wonder in sarge with 2.6 kernel. When I do lspci it shows the radeon 350 at 000:01:00.0 when I put this in under my xserver reconfig xserver fails. Any help here with getting an agp card up and running? |
| 21:32.21 | Charmy | sepski: how do i use ethereal at all? i have no clue what this program is ;p |
| 21:32.35 | caphuso | TheTom: chattr works on ext3 |
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| 21:32.41 | paulswm | Charmy: is your ethernet connection on your PC integrated or a separate card, and can you try it in a different box, or try a card from a different box in that one |
| 21:32.45 | sp | hello, i need some help with Gnome. Actually its about a theme. I want to change the way the window decorations are done. And i want it to look like spiffE, but the group of supplied "themes" does'nt have it. Any pace to get window decorations that are thin? |
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| 21:32.55 | caphuso | TheTom: and disable that annoying away notice crap |
| 21:32.58 | sepski | Charmy, you have installed the winpcap requiered program ? it's a packet sniffer like any other |
| 21:33.08 | Charmy | sepski: No i haven't. i'll go install winpcap then. |
| 21:33.09 | sepski | Charmy, if your totaly lost read it's doc's |
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| 21:33.28 | TheTom | nah. but i'm back anyway |
| 21:33.31 | Charmy | paulswm: its a brand new card bought at the store, which i tested on this machine before using. its a good NIC. |
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| 21:34.07 | ThePiratemaster | im looking for some more specifications |
| 21:34.34 | ThePiratemaster | like, the user-interface inprovements thay were making, are they done yet |
| 21:35.23 | ThePiratemaster | and, they big difference between woody and sarge, are they both usig apt? |
| 21:35.24 | paulswm | Charmy: I';m sure it's unlikely to be the card, but I have had two HDs die within days of purchasing them. If I were in your place, I would take nothing for granted and test everything to eliminate it, rule #1 of computing :) |
| 21:35.25 | Charmy | sepski: okay,i installed winpcap. now what? |
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| 21:36.09 | ThePiratemaster | why hasnt woody been updated since 2003? |
| 21:36.18 | Charmy | paulswm: Okay, i'll pull the card out again, put it in another machine, install the drivers for it, configure it for networking, test to see if the file and internet connection sharing work, and then report back.. |
| 21:36.23 | rir | Good day. I am looking for my "webroot" on Sarge with Apache. I'm guessing this is /var/www; I'm trying to install a recent Cyrus tarball. |
| 21:36.24 | sepski | Charmy, you use a network sniffer to see what you'r nic is seeing, just run the program and do your tests again |
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| 21:36.38 | valdyn_ | ThePiratemaster: it was updated last december.. and is updated about weekly.. |
| 21:36.42 | Charmy | sepski: I turned on packet capturing and tried a few pings, but it doesn't seem to capture anything |
| 21:36.45 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: it's a stable release. The stable releases don't change (save for security updates). |
| 21:36.57 | Fat_Bob | Hey in debian what command is used to edit config files in command line? |
| 21:37.03 | dondelelcaro | Fat_Bob: an $EDITOR |
| 21:37.09 | sepski | Charmy, try to ping from another windows you know work to see if you have etheral working correctly |
| 21:37.15 | Fat_Bob | thanx |
| 21:37.16 | dns21 | Fat_Bob, you should have nano |
| 21:37.24 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: this enables you to run a stable production machine for years, knowing that your code will be supported and won't suddenly stop working randomly. |
| 21:37.31 | ThePiratemaster | does it update to stable pachages then, does it update at al and how? |
| 21:37.37 | Charmy | sepski: Ah okay, i had this winxp machine ping the other winxp machine. 8 packets captured. |
| 21:37.43 | Charmy | sepski: and the pings went through fine. seems a-okay |
| 21:37.45 | TheTom | caphuso: but ext3 doesn't care about the -u option |
| 21:37.52 | valdyn_ | !stable |
| 21:37.52 | dpkg | hmm... stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days. The current stable version of Debian is woody (3.0r4). |
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| 21:38.09 | TheTom | any other ways to make a dir undeletable ? |
| 21:38.11 | sepski | well seams your linux dont send pings then |
| 21:38.38 | Laibsch | Hi, I got stuck half-way through a dist-upgrade from woody to sarge. |
| 21:38.38 | Laibsch | I think I may have come across an RC bug and am looking for someone |
| 21:38.39 | sepski | you have ofcourse checked that your linux has a ip, a route for the subnet to the nic , and no firewall that stops you |
| 21:38.40 | Laibsch | to help me gather the necessary info before I proceed with the upgrade. |
| 21:38.40 | Laibsch | the info shall go to a good bug report |
| 21:38.40 | caphuso | TheTom: i don't think any of the linux filesystems honours it |
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| 21:38.49 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: lay off the enter key, please. |
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| 21:39.05 | Meaw | hi, how to change the hostname? |
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| 21:39.15 | dns21 | Meaw, edit /etc/hosts |
| 21:39.17 | ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 21:39.19 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: go through bts entries related to your package, then use reportbug to file a bug against the package causing the bug |
| 21:39.22 | sepski | Charmy, and you have ofcourse tried another cable, another hub port, another nic etc etc etc |
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| 21:39.25 | Charmy | sepski: Firewall is disabled (not that it matters, since its an internet firewall..), and when i type 'route' in linux, it shows a default route which looks right, and yes, when i type 'ifconfig' it does indeed have a unique, manually assigned ip address |
| 21:39.26 | caphuso | Meaw: /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, and any other file in /etc with the old hostname in it |
| 21:39.27 | cb_ | I am trying to remove OpenOffice, but apt tells me its not installed. How can I find its name on the system? |
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| 21:39.44 | Charmy | sepski: I tried another hub port, I know this calbe works because there is hub activity when i try to ping the hub from the linux box |
| 21:39.45 | caphuso | cb_: COLUMNS=2-- dpkg -l openoffice\* |
| 21:39.52 | Charmy | sepski: and the green light is on for that port |
| 21:39.53 | caphuso | cb_: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l openoffice\* |
| 21:39.53 | valdyn_ | Meaw: vi /etc/hostname, unless what you really want to do is your dnsdomainname |
| 21:39.54 | sepski | Charmy, the default route is unimportant on the lan you need a route from the subnet to the physical nic |
| 21:39.58 | Meaw | or how to set a hostname? because my hostname is localhost...! |
| 21:40.06 | Charmy | sepski: not sure what that means, sepski |
| 21:40.07 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: read /topic please, and refrain from /msg'ing me |
| 21:40.08 | caphuso | Meaw: /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts |
| 21:40.16 | TheArtist | can someone tell me one way or the other should i use scsi emulation?? i wanna burn cds and dvds... different places seem to say different things.. |
| 21:40.28 | dondelelcaro | TheArtist: it's up to you. |
| 21:40.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell Laibsch about enter |
| 21:40.47 | bucky | TheTom, man chattr |
| 21:40.56 | CMSniper | I have a question about mounting a large .iso file with a loopback device. Is there an alternative mount package I could use? |
| 21:41.02 | dns21 | /usr/src/linux-2.6.10/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line1: gcc: command not found - is this essentally saying that gcc is not installed? |
| 21:41.13 | dondelelcaro | CMSniper: just mount it through a loopback... there's really nothing to it. |
| 21:41.13 | sepski | Charmy, you need a route from the subnbet you'r linux is in to the nic that the linux use to connect to that subnet |
| 21:41.15 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: i told you, scsi emulation isnt the way to go in 2.6.x |
| 21:41.17 | ThePiratemaster | does woody have any kinds of wizards in it, so i wont have to go to 5 config files to configure postfix? |
| 21:41.19 | caphuso | dns21: yes. apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:41.22 | RedPenguin | I was wondering if there was a way to tell apt-get not to remove a certain set of packages like ones beginning with a certian prefix |
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| 21:41.25 | Charmy | sepski: oh and if it helps, when i type ping 192.168.0.1 from my linux box, my packet sniffer on THIS machine is detecting a ton of "ARP" packet activity |
| 21:41.26 | CMSniper | Yes, well that doesn't work. |
| 21:41.29 | Charmy | sepski: what does that mean? |
| 21:41.34 | dns21 | caphuso, thank you |
| 21:41.37 | CMSniper | Other .iso's work |
| 21:41.41 | TheArtist | valdyn_, i know mate and i recompiled without it and it still doesnt work... |
| 21:41.43 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: debconf will prompt you with enough questions to get postfix working. |
| 21:41.46 | Charmy | sepski: 192.168.0.1 is the ip of my main winxp box (the one i'm talking to you from) |
| 21:41.55 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: that error seems to indicate a broken cableing, broken master/slave setting, broken drive |
| 21:41.55 | cb_ | caphuso: so many columns display but the package cannot be found according to APT! |
| 21:41.58 | JohnGH | paulswm: here you go: http://wiki.debian.net/?BootableDOSPartitionFromLinux :o) |
| 21:41.59 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: after that, if you want to configure specific things, you'll have to use an EDITOR. |
| 21:42.03 | Charmy | sepski: so it seems like this machine IS detecting packets being sent from the linux box, its just not responding or omsething. |
| 21:42.06 | sepski | Charmy, arp what you'r nic uses to determine where to send the packet |
| 21:42.11 | RedPenguin | Set it in apt.conf? |
| 21:42.12 | CMSniper | this file approaches 4GB in size and several programs such as strings have problems opening directly |
| 21:42.19 | Charmy | sepski: so does this info help? |
| 21:42.20 | caphuso | cb_: well, then you don't have it installed, at least not by using the debian packages |
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| 21:42.31 | CMSniper | but I can cat it to strings for instance and that works |
| 21:42.39 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: or a driver bug naturally, but lets not jump that gun to fast.. |
| 21:42.41 | Charmy | sepski: i'm getting spammed with ARP from the linux box. |
| 21:42.42 | dondelelcaro | CMSniper: if you're using Debian, mount -o loop foofile.iso bleh; won't have a problem opening it. |
| 21:42.43 | Glitters | whats the command to run programs from the console? |
| 21:42.46 | Laibsch | dondelelcaro: Why should I bother everyone when I just want clarification from you? Anyway, it is not exacty clear which package is causing the |
| 21:42.48 | TheArtist | valdyn_, actually i do get an ide no 80 cable connected error on startup |
| 21:42.49 | ThePiratemaster | is debconf like YaST2 or is it in bash (hope this isnt trollish)? |
| 21:42.52 | CMSniper | I'm assuming that mount mmap()s the file or something similar and its crapping out. |
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| 21:42.54 | sepski | charmy well you can use the arp command on linux to look at the mac - ip address table |
| 21:42.59 | CMSniper | It does have a problem |
| 21:43.01 | Laibsch | bug. HAve gone through BTS, BTW. |
| 21:43.15 | TheArtist | valdyn_, but both drives work fine in windows |
| 21:43.17 | TheTom | bucky: i read it. |
| 21:43.23 | sepski | Charmy, that sounds a _lot_ like a one way working network |
| 21:43.25 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: thats not a problem, just means you cant use the fastest dma modes |
| 21:43.28 | Charmy | sepski: arp command is not found. |
| 21:43.35 | sepski | ie your linux sends arp requests, but dont recive the arp replies |
| 21:43.40 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: which your cd drive might not even support |
| 21:43.42 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: because we don't appreciate being /msg'ed. Especially when any clarification can trivially be handled on channel. |
| 21:43.45 | Laibsch | I just want to make sure to gather all information that might be valuable now, so it does not get lost. |
| 21:43.48 | Charmy | sepski: hm. if thats the case, what can i do? |
| 21:43.58 | sepski | i'd change nic, most often had that problem with nics, |
| 21:44.01 | Milan- | Hi all |
| 21:44.10 | travisat | |
| 21:44.10 | abrotman | or change drivers if possible |
| 21:44.12 | sepski | Charmy, or if i'd make a dodgy cable |
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| 21:44.19 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: regardless, paste the output of your upgrade using the paster bot, or into #flood |
| 21:44.22 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 21:44.22 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 21:44.23 | TheArtist | valdyn_, ok, so if they work fine in windows then the cable is fine right? |
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| 21:44.28 | Milan- | I experiance a problem in gnome with UTF8 |
| 21:44.29 | Laibsch | Because of course I can fix it and resume the upgrade but then valuable re what actually caused might be gone -> :-( |
| 21:44.31 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: yea |
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| 21:44.48 | sepski | Charmy, or maybe the rj45 isnt fully seated in the socket, have seen that also |
| 21:44.50 | TheArtist | valdyn_, so how come it doesnt work? |
| 21:44.51 | ThePiratemaster | Laibsch, http://pastebin.com |
| 21:44.53 | ThePiratemaster | :) |
| 21:45.03 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 21:45.03 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 21:45.04 | Milan- | file-select-dialog doesn't start |
| 21:45.08 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: see above |
| 21:45.10 | JohnGH | re-hi paulswm |
| 21:45.13 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: are you using acpi? |
| 21:45.14 | dondelelcaro | rr... didn't mean to repeat that. |
| 21:45.18 | TheArtist | i dont know |
| 21:45.21 | cb_ | caphuso: I am using MEPIS which is not 100% Debian! |
| 21:45.22 | paulswm | JohnGH: hey again |
| 21:45.26 | JohnGH | paulswm: here you go: http://wiki.debian.net/?BootableDOSPartitionFromLinux :o) |
| 21:45.28 | Charmy | sepski: but sepski, this calbe yeserday worked fine.. i was able to connect to my linux box (which used to be a win98 box) to do a full system backup. |
| 21:45.39 | Charmy | sepski: I guess i have to assume now that either the NIC or the cable died between then and now? |
| 21:45.46 | paulswm | !beer JohnGH |
| 21:45.48 | caphuso | cb_: fuck |
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| 21:45.51 | caphuso | cb_: go away |
| 21:45.55 | JohnGH | Baaaah!!! |
| 21:46.02 | ThePiratemaster | is debian suitable for a less expireanced linux user? |
| 21:46.05 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: i really dont know, for some issues broken acpi is to blame, but i cant tell when, so it might be far fetched, try booting with acpi=off passed to your kernel |
| 21:46.13 | JohnGH | Where did that cute sheep come from? Are you teasing me because I'm a kiwi? |
| 21:46.14 | Blissex | ThePiratemaster: not very much.... |
| 21:46.21 | cb_ | caphuso: OK.,,,I go away~! |
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| 21:46.26 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: depends on whether or not the user is willing to learn |
| 21:46.31 | sepski | ThePiratemaster, debian is what you use when you feel the other distroed are to limiting |
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| 21:46.42 | Blissex | ThePiratemaster: there are Debian -derived distros that are much more suitable. Like Libranet, Ubuntu, Knoppix, Kanotix. |
| 21:46.51 | sepski | Charmy, well i'd change nic firstof all |
| 21:46.53 | ThePiratemaster | i started the server ot learn so thats not a problem |
| 21:46.55 | Milan- | could somebody help me ? |
| 21:46.56 | TheArtist | valdyn_, you mean put that in menu.1st or something? |
| 21:46.59 | Charmy | sepski: oh, if it also helps, every single port on my ethernet hub has two greenl ights. one on the left, and one on the right. on my two windows xp machines, the ports have green lights on both sides. On the linux box machine, the greenlight is only on the left. |
| 21:47.09 | Laibsch | dondelelcaro: What is that ! thing at the beginning of a line? |
| 21:47.10 | paulswm | JohnGH: That's great! |
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| 21:47.17 | eka | hi all |
| 21:47.25 | JohnGH | Thanks paulswm, and thanks for the beer :o) |
| 21:47.26 | eka | where all the documentation resides in debian? |
| 21:47.29 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: it triggers the bot to respond to whatever I've told it. |
| 21:47.36 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: yea, but youre using grub, so you can just edit that line when booting with grub |
| 21:47.38 | juhov | eka: /usr/share/doc |
| 21:47.43 | dondelelcaro | eka: most of it is in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>; but it's in other places as well. |
| 21:47.44 | sepski | Charmy, lol i hope the lights have labels, becouse eft and right isnt very descriptive |
| 21:47.47 | paulswm | JohnGH: I'll make you get the next round :) |
| 21:47.49 | dondelelcaro | eka: dpkg -L foopkg; if you can't find it. |
| 21:47.53 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: select kernel - hit E |
| 21:48.04 | ThePiratemaster | do those derived distro have the same stability and updating methods as Debian? |
| 21:48.12 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: no. |
| 21:48.25 | Charmy | sepski: i think the left one says lnk/act, and the right one says 100m |
| 21:48.30 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: whats your ide controller? |
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| 21:48.40 | sepski | Charmy, do you have a old 10 mbit card on your linux ? |
| 21:48.40 | Milan- | does somebody knows why my progs freeze when I try to use GTK fileselect dialog under gnome with UTF8 ? |
| 21:48.41 | ThePiratemaster | then they have no meaning to me im afraid |
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| 21:48.51 | Blissex | ThePiratemaster: roughly yes. |
| 21:48.59 | JohnGH | paulswm: I could do with the excercise after all this sitting here typing and rebooting :o) |
| 21:49.02 | TheArtist | Via 82xxx |
| 21:49.03 | sepski | Charmy, or have you changed any speed/duplex settings on your nic ? |
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| 21:49.18 | eka | and how to look at them? |
| 21:49.23 | Return0 | I'm trying to release a project on sourceforge that I've written in windows, and I'm wondering if someone can help me get it setup for linux. There's a library and a demo program. the library is written in c++, and the demo uses sdl and opengl. |
| 21:49.26 | Charmy | sepski: this is the card http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/3c590.htm |
| 21:49.31 | valdyn_ | TheArtist: ok, guess that ones fine, never ever had a problem w/ it |
| 21:49.40 | Charmy | sepski: i don't know how to make those changes, so no, i have not. |
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| 21:50.13 | Charmy | sepski: yesterday it was working though.. htats all i can say.. either its the linux OS, or the hard ware failed |
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| 21:50.17 | paulswm | ThePiratemaster: even out of all the non-derived Linux distros, I doubt whether any except debian stable could pass a really stiff corporate-type QA evaluation |
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| 21:50.44 | ThePiratemaster | no its just for a hobby |
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| 21:51.03 | Blissex | paulswm: bizarre statement.... Some large banks disagree :-) |
| 21:51.11 | sepski | Charmy, that missing light shows your card dont run at 100 mbit, ie, broken nic or badcable |
| 21:51.14 | ThePiratemaster | but after all i have heard about debian, it attracts me more and more |
| 21:51.25 | sepski | or changed settings, but you havent done that so... |
| 21:51.29 | paulswm | Blissex: not at all bizarre, many corps have terrible QA practices |
| 21:51.34 | Milan- | nobody can help here ? :-) |
| 21:51.39 | Charmy | sepski: let me try switching cables. one sec |
| 21:51.44 | megatronx | i would like to know how can i make a initrd.img file for my compiled 2.6.10 kernel? |
| 21:51.46 | ThePiratemaster | it seems like a very efficiant distro to me. like THE no bullsh*t disrto |
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| 21:51.59 | paulswm | !win ThePiratemaster |
| 21:52.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, ThePiratemaster! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:52.06 | rir | What is the quetion, Milan?? |
| 21:52.09 | Glittering | hey whats up guys, i'm Glitters, but on debian finally :D |
| 21:52.23 | Milan- | does somebody knows why my progs freeze when I try to use GTK fileselect dialog under gnome with UTF8 ? |
| 21:52.25 | paulswm | Yay, Glittering !!! |
| 21:52.28 | Glittering | woah cool, this linux system is much cooler than windows... |
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| 21:52.36 | Milan- | It happens since I select UTF8 as default in GDM |
| 21:52.43 | ThePiratemaster | when do i claim my price ... |
| 21:52.51 | Glittering | paulswm: you write in red color! hehe |
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| 21:52.56 | masteraccurate | hi all |
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| 21:53.14 | travisat | ThePiratemaster: check your inbox |
| 21:53.31 | |ryan| | anyone know anything about doing a PXE install of debian? |
| 21:53.35 | Charmy | sepski: nope i switched the cables and the light remains the same. maybe its a 10m only NIC? |
| 21:53.38 | megatronx | anyone here use grub as bootloader? |
| 21:53.39 | ThePiratemaster | i dont use my providers account |
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| 21:53.55 | ThePiratemaster | so spam all u want :) |
| 21:53.58 | valdyn_ | !anyone |
| 21:53.59 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 21:54.00 | rir | megatron, I use grub |
| 21:54.14 | tarzeau | |ryan|: it just works? |
| 21:54.17 | tarzeau | megatronx: of course |
| 21:54.17 | ThePiratemaster | i do |
| 21:54.19 | Meaw | i edit the file /etc/hosts , bt the hostname still didnt changed why? |
| 21:54.22 | megatronx | i need help |
| 21:54.43 | tarzeau | |ryan|: unless you have an nvidia deadfart network card |
| 21:54.50 | Laibsch | dondelelcaro: Fail to see your point re enter key. My message from about 15 minutes ago correctly ended with sentence markers. Anyway, off to paster. |
| 21:54.51 | rir | megatronx, ask away |
| 21:54.59 | sepski | Charmy, that would be a very good reason to change nic |
| 21:55.00 | megatronx | i finish compiling kernel 2.6.10 and would like to know how to boot it? |
| 21:55.26 | megatronx | i'm new at compiling kernels and installing them |
| 21:55.40 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: the point is that your post flowed onto multiple lines when it could have trivially been written in a single statement. Overusing the enter key makes converstions impossible to follow on a channel as busy as #debian. |
| 21:55.45 | Milan- | so ? nobody ? I'm very annoyed... |
| 21:55.47 | Milan- | does somebody knows why my progs freeze when I try to use GTK fileselect dialog under gnome with UTF8 ? |
| 21:56.18 | megatronx | i'm using debian testing w/gnome |
| 21:56.23 | tarzeau | weee a 5x10 bookstore! |
| 21:56.33 | rir | megatronx, you want to edit your /boot/grub/menu???? file. Add another entry like the one that worked before but name your new kernel. |
| 21:56.34 | unixfool_ | I put an script in /etc/cron.hourly, but it doesnt seem to get run, and run-parts doesnt seem to run it either... what else do I need to do? |
| 21:56.59 | |ryan| | tarzeau: I have a soekris net4801 |
| 21:57.13 | rir | megatronx, you want to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:57.13 | |ryan| | no cd rom driver or floppy drive |
| 21:57.21 | |ryan| | but it can PXE boot. |
| 21:57.26 | megatronx | what about that initrd.img???? |
| 21:57.31 | tarzeau | |ryan|: nice |
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| 21:57.40 | |ryan| | and i heard that you could bootstrap a debian installer via PXE |
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| 21:57.52 | dondelelcaro | |ryan|: yeah, you can... there's some information on it on the d-i wiki |
| 21:58.08 | tarzeau | |ryan|: yes you can, friend's got a soekris too, and did the same (half a year ago or so) |
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| 21:58.35 | tarzeau | |ryan|: and i've got cdrom/floppy less computers at work too, which i pxe boot/install |
| 21:58.48 | Laibsch | dondelelcaro: Thanx 4 clarifying. That is not what the bot told me though so I |
| 21:58.48 | Laibsch | dondelelcaro: was lost about your intentions. |
| 21:59.01 | |ryan| | tarzeau: We're using soekris boards at work for a couple projects, which I had been installing pebble linux (debian dirivitive) on via CF. |
| 21:59.13 | |ryan| | but i want a more 'full' install on this. |
| 21:59.19 | dondelelcaro | |ryan|: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerNetbootPXE |
| 21:59.30 | |ryan| | dondelelcaro: thanks a bunch. |
| 21:59.39 | rir | megatronx, you want add a "title", a "root", a "kernel", and "savedefault" line. You shouldnot need a initrd line. |
| 21:59.43 | dondelelcaro | and, not suprisingly, it's covered in the installer manual |
| 21:59.49 | |ryan| | cool |
| 21:59.58 | dondelelcaro | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s06.html |
| 21:59.58 | sepski | |ryan| : you need dhcp, nfs, tftp server you alos need the pxelinux package, place your kernel and pxelinux config in the tftp server root, export a directory with nfs server (this is your soekris / ) debootstrap that directory, config your dhcp server to give the soekris the info needed to find the tftp and nfs server ip's and you'r running |
| 22:00.14 | Charmy | sepski: okay, i replaced the NIC with another 3com etherlink III ISA card. |
| 22:00.15 | tarzeau | |ryan|: what do your boards have to do? at work? |
| 22:00.16 | |ryan| | sepski: I have all that. |
| 22:00.19 | megatronx | so i should delete the initrd line? |
| 22:00.25 | Charmy | sepski: same thing, no 100m light |
| 22:00.26 | sepski | dondelelcaro, have you tried the lessdisks package any good ? |
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| 22:00.50 | sepski | isa card ? it might jsut be 10 mbit.. |
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| 22:01.04 | Charmy | sepski: okay, thats probalby it |
| 22:01.07 | rir | megatronx, you don't change the lines you have! you add a new set of lines, without the initrd line/ |
| 22:01.10 | sepski | also isa cards need io and irq info iirc. and are a royal pain to setup |
| 22:01.18 | sepski | you dont have pci cards ? |
| 22:01.30 | Charmy | sepski: i'm afraid not. even if id id, this machine is old and has no available pci |
| 22:01.32 | dondelelcaro | sepski: I just use debootstrap |
| 22:01.32 | |ryan| | tarzeau: I work for a WISP. He have about 150 soekris net4521s in service as access points. (using hostap with 200mw EnGenius prism2 cards ) |
| 22:01.43 | sepski | dondelelcaro, same |
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| 22:01.52 | Charmy | sepski: the install however detected my card no problem |
| 22:02.05 | Charmy | sepski: it showed me th elist of drivers, i selected etherlink III (thats exactly what it is) |
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| 22:02.10 | megatronx | oh so then leave everything as is and add new lines? |
| 22:02.12 | Charmy | sepski: and it happily chirped: "Installation successful!" |
| 22:02.30 | sepski | Charmy, and you could see eth0 in ifconfig output ? |
| 22:02.31 | rir | megatronx, right |
| 22:02.39 | Charmy | sepski: absolutely. |
| 22:02.41 | megatronx | oh ok |
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| 22:02.57 | Glitters | i've downloaded macromedia flash into /home/macromedia_flash, now whats the command to install it? |
| 22:03.04 | sepski | guess debian is a lot smarter about that then my rh was many many years ago then :) |
| 22:03.04 | megatronx | shit i kept chnging them and had rrors. |
| 22:03.07 | |ryan| | tarzeau: we are using them as a replacement for cisco aironet aps. Less featuers, but cheaper, and just as reliable. |
| 22:03.14 | megatronx | *errors |
| 22:03.25 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: just use the flashplugin-nonfree package |
| 22:03.56 | paulswm | JohnGH: saw your msg and responded, was afk |
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| 22:04.12 | tarzeau | |ryan|: that's interesting |
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| 22:04.34 | Charmy | sepski: so the nic is okay, the cable is okay, the hub is okay, the only culprit could be debian itself? |
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| 22:04.43 | littlefoot | I installed debain sarge and am using kernel 2.6.1 and when I tried to mozilla-firefox I got the message "unable to open dispaly 0.0" with xhost + I was able to open mozilla-firefox but I am not sure how to get mozila to work and not need to open xhost like that? |
| 22:04.58 | Glitters | dondelelcaro: apt-setup wont work? |
| 22:05.05 | dondelelcaro | !xhost + |
| 22:05.05 | dpkg | i heard xhost + is evil, don't do it. man xhost and startx -- -nolisten tcp, or man xauth, or the dumbest thing you could ever do |
| 22:05.24 | sepski | Charmy, as you said, it worked yesterday, and unless you changed something debian wooudnt change it by itself |
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| 22:05.31 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, xhost + is <reply> see xhost |
| 22:05.31 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 22:05.54 | littlefoot | so I should take xhost + off |
| 22:05.56 | Charmy | sepski: well, sarge never worked.. and even though woody detected dhcp yesterday, it still died while grabbing the base installation. so it never really 'worked' it just worked a little more |
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| 22:06.10 | dondelelcaro | littlefoot: you'll get that message if X isn't running, if DISPLAY is not set, or if you're running X as a different user than the one running firefox |
| 22:06.15 | megatronx | thank you rir |
| 22:06.31 | megatronx | i will rebbot. i hope it'll work |
| 22:06.40 | JohnGH | sorry paulswm, I was just afk too |
| 22:06.46 | littlefoot | and DISPLAY would be set in X config file? |
| 22:06.52 | littlefoot | I have diplay set but |
| 22:06.54 | rir | megatronx, wellcome |
| 22:07.05 | dondelelcaro | littlefoot: no, DISPLAY is set by X when it starts up your session |
| 22:07.11 | littlefoot | what about the DISPLAY config allows programs like mozilla-firefox to open? |
| 22:07.15 | _infrared | how would I close a serial port after opening it with cat /dev/ttyS0 (i've already ctrl-c'd out of teh cat) |
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| 22:07.25 | sepski | Charmy, isee and you have no way of removing the harddrive and debootstrapping it on another box ? |
| 22:07.44 | Charmy | sepski: i don't know what debootstrap means.. |
| 22:08.13 | dondelelcaro | littlefoot: it tells them which X they should actually be connecting to |
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| 22:08.32 | littlefoot | is xhost + a temp cmd |
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| 22:08.37 | sepski | Charmy, ask the chan, ill have to put the kids to bed their agitated... |
| 22:08.39 | littlefoot | if I restart x will that go away? |
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| 22:08.43 | dondelelcaro | littlefoot: yes... when you restart the X server, it'll go away |
| 22:08.58 | Charmy | sepski: i did.. but i'll try again =) |
| 22:09.09 | littlefoot | I just install debain sarge and installed the nvidia drivers but it sems as if it is trying to display two screens |
| 22:09.25 | littlefoot | and on the right side of the screen I see a bunch of lines all different colors |
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| 22:11.09 | jmegit_ | Can anyone help me fix my audio? |
| 22:11.25 | sgeigerbot | jmegit_: Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
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| 22:11.59 | vilemaxim | I'm getting T=amavis_smtp defer (-44): retry time not reached for any host in my logs. Trying to setup exim+amavis+spamassassin. |
| 22:12.05 | vilemaxim | any clue |
| 22:12.15 | cg0def | I am getting some kind of error in /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure, can someone help me pls |
| 22:12.45 | caphuso | cg0def: known bug, known fix, stop using unstable if you need to be spoonfed |
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| 22:13.08 | Morrowyn | what command do i need to see which packages i have installed? |
| 22:13.12 | caphuso | Morrowyn: dpkg -l |
| 22:13.17 | cg0def | caphuso: ok if it's a know bug where is it documented |
| 22:13.18 | Morrowyn | thanks |
| 22:13.40 | Milan- | My nautilus won't start |
| 22:13.41 | caphuso | cg0def: uh... probably where all known bugs are documented: the BTS |
| 22:13.41 | cg0def | caphuso: and no I don't want/need to be spoonfed just I switched to debian 5 days ago |
| 22:13.47 | caphuso | oh please |
| 22:13.51 | Milan- | I'm under sarge |
| 22:14.12 | caphuso | it's way too easy to switch to unstable |
| 22:14.19 | vilemaxim | cg0def, you can look up known bugs using reportbug |
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| 22:14.51 | vilemaxim | cg0def, also there is a bugs dataase... don't have the url handy, but just look on the debian website |
| 22:15.03 | caphuso | !bts |
| 22:15.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 22:15.15 | jmegit_ | my audio hasn't been working since i installed debian, can anyone help? |
| 22:15.23 | Milan- | nautilus hangs inread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 |
| 22:15.36 | cg0def | vilemaxim: I expected there to be a bug db after all I was using gentoo before I moved to debian and gentoo is all about the bug reports :) |
| 22:15.37 | megatronx | rir: tried it, but have 1 problem and that is root. |
| 22:15.46 | cg0def | vilemaxim: found it btw |
| 22:15.58 | vilemaxim | cg0def, cool |
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| 22:16.13 | quentusrex | hello |
| 22:16.19 | sepski | Charmy, sleeping kids :) debootstrap is a tool you can use to install debian onto a directory, in this case the partition of the harddrive of the troublesome machine. so you move disk, mount it on a working box, partition, mkfs, mount, debootstrap it, chroot it, run security updates, install the kernel you want, also install packages you might want, install and config a bootloader, edit the fstab, and move the disk back. soemone say if i |
| 22:16.19 | sepski | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.48 | sepski | Charmy, you'd probably want a swap paartition also. |
| 22:16.52 | vilemaxim | cg0def, some people need to re-read the Linux Advocacy mini-HOWTO :) |
| 22:17.21 | cg0def | valdyn: :) |
| 22:17.28 | Morrowyn | i have gnome and kde installed in my box, how do i remove gnome completely from my system? |
| 22:17.28 | Charmy | sepski: gee, i have absolutley no clue how to do that =( |
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| 22:17.48 | quentusrex | In Debian, how do you use 'apt-get' to install from sources? I need it to search for dep's and compile. Is it possible, if so with what command/s? |
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| 22:18.23 | cg0def | quentusrex: you know there are man pages for things like that and yes it is possible |
| 22:18.35 | jmegit_ | exit |
| 22:18.52 | quentusrex | ok, how do you yellow message a person? |
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| 22:18.59 | quentusrex | I'm new to Irc |
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| 22:19.05 | DEBIANNOOB | hi qll |
| 22:19.10 | gamezace | yellow message? |
| 22:19.18 | quentusrex | private message, |
| 22:19.20 | quentusrex | etc |
| 22:19.21 | tarzeau | quentusrex: you can not control that |
| 22:19.23 | sepski | Charmy, old hardware is fun isnt it :)) |
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| 22:19.29 | vilemaxim | quentusrex, first apt-get build-dep foo |
| 22:19.32 | tarzeau | quentusrex: apt-get source ? |
| 22:19.44 | quentusrex | what tarzeau just did |
| 22:19.45 | DEBIANNOOB | installed debian i start my kde and my keyboard and mouse a not function how can i solve this? |
| 22:19.45 | travisat | quentusrex: don't unless you have to |
| 22:19.46 | Charmy | sepski: The frustrating thing is that woody installed like a sleeping baby on even older hardware than this at the university. |
| 22:19.47 | quentusrex | how do you do that? |
| 22:19.59 | travisat | quentusrex: type in the persons name |
| 22:20.00 | vilemaxim | quentusrex, then there is a way to tell it to build form source, but I would hae to look it up... man apt-get |
| 22:20.03 | tarzeau | dpkg noob |
| 22:20.03 | dpkg | it has been said that noob is < greycat> DarkCoiote: When people say "I'm a noob", or the equivalent, it's an EXCUSE for them to be LAZY and avoid doing any thinking or reading. |
| 22:20.13 | quentusrex | travisat: like this? |
| 22:20.17 | travisat | yes |
| 22:20.21 | quentusrex | ok |
| 22:20.22 | quentusrex | kewl |
| 22:20.37 | quentusrex | X-chat changes the color of that text. |
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| 22:21.09 | DEBIANNOOB | need help anyone here ? |
| 22:21.15 | quentusrex | nope |
| 22:21.21 | DEBIANNOOB | aha thx |
| 22:21.26 | quentusrex | i'm reading man pages about apt-get |
| 22:21.35 | vilemaxim | DEBIANNOOB, anything in the logs |
| 22:21.40 | quentusrex | unless you know how to apt-get sources and have it install correctly |
| 22:22.00 | DEBIANNOOB | i cant login in the normal shell because kde starts imediately |
| 22:22.11 | streuner | !nodm |
| 22:22.11 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 22:22.18 | tarzeau | DEBIANNOOB: too bad |
| 22:22.39 | DEBIANNOOB | hmmm rescue cd ? |
| 22:22.53 | tarzeau | DEBIANNOOB: nah, more like a cluebat |
| 22:23.03 | vilemaxim | quentusrex, apt-get source foo --build |
| 22:23.03 | quentusrex | ctl-alt-f2 works to get into a console from KDE, even Gnome |
| 22:23.13 | tarzeau | quentusrex: you mean X |
| 22:23.13 | quentusrex | vilemaxin thanks |
| 22:23.22 | quentusrex | tarzeau, yes i mean X |
| 22:23.37 | quentusrex | I meant X |
| 22:23.39 | tarzeau | quentusrex: if you mean X, don't say KDE, or even Gnome |
| 22:23.50 | dns21 | you must install ncurses-devel in order to use 'make menuconfig' - apt-get install ncurses-devel 'cannot find package ncurses-devel' - anybody have any suggestions |
| 22:23.52 | tarzeau | it's true for any time, be it present, past or future |
| 22:23.53 | sepski | Charmy, pity, but there are quite a few ways to install. as long as your hardware is ok and compatibe you should get it to work, also try a different brand nic, autonegotiation could be failing. unlikely but.. |
| 22:23.54 | quentusrex | tarzeau, slip of the tongue |
| 22:23.58 | caphuso | dns21: libncurses5-dev |
| 22:23.59 | DEBIANNOOB | on boot is nothing i can do to avoid kde start? |
| 22:24.09 | caphuso | DEBIANNOOB: boot into single user mode |
| 22:24.14 | cg0def | DEBIANNOOB: did you ever setup your x11? |
| 22:24.14 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 22:24.20 | vilemaxim | DEBIANNOOB, alt-clt-f1 doesn't work |
| 22:24.25 | tarzeau | DEBIANNOOB: CAN YOU FIX YOUR NICKNAME PLEASE? |
| 22:24.36 | dns21 | caphuso, interesting, thank you |
| 22:24.45 | PerfDave | DEBIANNOOB: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 22:24.47 | Charmy | sepski: i'd install from CD, but this damn bios won't boot from CD. I even tried the Sarge SBM (smart boot manager) to boot from floppy to CD, but it gave me the error |
| 22:24.55 | Charmy | sepski: DISK ERROR 0xAA when i tried to acccess the cd drive |
| 22:25.05 | Charmy | sepski: which i also KOW works because the bios detects it and i used it when it was a win98 box |
| 22:25.32 | DebianUser | ok thx i will try |
| 22:25.32 | vilemaxim | Charmy, could be bad meia |
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| 22:25.51 | vilemaxim | Charmy, could be bad media |
| 22:26.18 | Charmy | vilemaxim: these are brand new disks which have worked for previous images.. =/ |
| 22:26.43 | paulswm | vile_maxim: unlikely that the sarge CDR *and* the woody floppies are all bad though |
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| 22:27.48 | DebianUser | i will try it with putty |
| 22:27.57 | gamezace | heh |
| 22:28.07 | paster | "Laibsch" at 80.185.23.141 pasted "Possible RC bug - Looking for verification and what info to save" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/241 |
| 22:28.12 | DebianUser | to connect to normal shell |
| 22:28.23 | DebianUser | maybe this works fine |
| 22:28.29 | Charmy | sepski: btw, i tried to have woody detect dhcp on its own again, while packet sniffing with ethereal. It sends out DHCP discover requests, the subnet sends back DHCP offers, and then it sends DHCP siscover.. DHCP offer.. vicious cycle |
| 22:28.31 | Laibsch | OK guys, there it is ;-) |
| 22:28.47 | Charmy | sepski: so it does seem like things are being sent out, and thins are being sent back, but its not being received. |
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| 22:28.54 | vilemaxim | Charmy, it seems to me the only options are bad cd, bad cdrom, bad computer. I guess it could be a bad copy of smb |
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| 22:29.14 | caphuso | Laibsch: does the same bug happen if you use a non-braindamaged tool for upgrading? |
| 22:29.46 | Charmy | vilemaxim: not bad CD -> opens fine in winxp. not bad cdrom drive -> worked in win98, and BIOS detects it. not bad computer -> ran win98 safely. |
| 22:29.55 | sepski | Charmy, since it sends out dhcp discover, atleast debian thinks the nic is ok, but the nic dont recive the packages, can be any hardware, nic hub cables or autonegotiation failiure |
| 22:29.57 | Laibsch | caphuso: What do you mean "non-brain damaged" |
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| 22:30.28 | cafuego | Laibsch: run 'dselect', choose 'Upgrade'. |
| 22:30.30 | Charmy | sepski: what is auto negotiation? failure? |
| 22:30.34 | caphuso | Laibsch: dselect or maybe aptitude |
| 22:30.39 | paulswm | Charmy: sometimes, old CD readers don't read newer CDs well, due to width of track I think, and especially they don't like CDRWs |
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| 22:30.47 | caphuso | basically anything that's not apt-get |
| 22:30.48 | Poprocks | hey |
| 22:30.54 | sepski | when you plug in your cable the nic and hub discuss what speed and cable's to talk on |
| 22:30.59 | Charmy | paulswm: Its a CDR, not a CDRW. and the CD reader isn't that old.. its a 12x IDE. |
| 22:31.08 | Poprocks | does anyone here get segfaults running Sunbird, gtk2 build, on Sid? |
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| 22:31.15 | Charmy | paulswm: the error occurs no matter what kind of media is in the drive. |
| 22:31.15 | sepski | if that failed it should default to 10 mbit half duplex, |
| 22:31.24 | vilemaxim | Charmy, just because it open's fine doesn't mean that the cd is ok |
| 22:31.27 | ThePiratemaster | any fast debian mirrors? |
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| 22:31.36 | cafuego | ThePiratemaster: apt-setup |
| 22:31.39 | Charmy | vilemaxim: Okay, how else do you awnt me to test the CD? Open up files on it? |
| 22:31.44 | paulswm | Charmy: OK, I don't know what you have, I thought you said it was an old computer |
| 22:31.56 | Charmy | paulswm: it is 10 years old. =) |
| 22:31.56 | vilemaxim | md5sum |
| 22:32.02 | Charmy | paulswm: however, some components were upgraded. |
| 22:32.08 | Charmy | paulswm: The cd rom device for example, is not 10 years old. |
| 22:32.11 | sepski | Charmy, what module do you use for the card ? 'lsmod' if you dont know |
| 22:32.22 | Charmy | sepski: i use 3c509 sepski |
| 22:32.25 | paulswm | Charmy: you have 128MB memory I believe |
| 22:32.36 | Charmy | paulswm: Yes, originally it was 16. i upgraded. |
| 22:32.39 | Laibsch | caphuso: aptitude only has the regular upgrade option, so I thought apt-get was preferrable. |
| 22:32.55 | DebianUser | ok guys ! i am now in the shell |
| 22:32.57 | caphuso | Laibsch: wrong logic |
| 22:32.58 | paulswm | Charmy: what's the computer model? |
| 22:33.13 | DebianUser | how can i get keyboard and mouse working on kde |
| 22:33.14 | Charmy | paulswm: its a pretty lousy one, but it works. its an AST Advantage 824 |
| 22:33.28 | caphuso | Laibsch: apt-get has both upgrade and dist-upgrade because dist-upgrade is too dangerous to be used |
| 22:33.30 | ThePiratemaster | im installing debian do i dont have apt yet :) |
| 22:33.39 | vilemaxim | DebianUser, check the logs |
| 22:33.48 | DebianUser | ok |
| 22:33.52 | caphuso | Laibsch: aptitude is a lot more clever, and hence doesn't need such silly kludges |
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| 22:34.01 | sepski | Charmy, you have tried 3c59x ? just for the record ? |
| 22:34.13 | cafuego | ThePiratemaster: The debian.org website lists heaps of mirrors. |
| 22:34.15 | Charmy | no i haven't. should I? |
| 22:34.18 | Laibsch | caphuso: Now when I try aptitude (actually had done this but it has been a couple of hours ;-) it tells me it wants |
| 22:34.18 | Laibsch | to deinstall such things as dpkg and sysvinit. I did not think that was funny so I backed off |
| 22:34.33 | caphuso | Laibsch: ah, damn, apt-get already messed up |
| 22:34.36 | Charmy | I assumed that since my card is an Etherlink III, i select etherlink IIII.. and if it auto-detected and said 'install successful' then it knew what it was doing.. |
| 22:34.48 | caphuso | Laibsch: that happens when occasionally when you rely on apt-get too much |
| 22:35.00 | Laibsch | caphuso: So I guess it was good then that I did not go ahead ;-) |
| 22:35.08 | paulswm | Charmy: OK, I googled and found one with debian installed so we know it's possible at least |
| 22:35.38 | Laibsch | caphuso: Usually I always use aptitude since as U say it is much more intelligent and searches work better etc. |
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| 22:35.59 | caphuso | Laibsch: now you need a can of coffee and some time alone with aptitude... |
| 22:36.04 | Laibsch | What is this caphuso cappicard thing? I am new to IRC. |
| 22:36.07 | vilemaxim | DebianUser, don't flood |
| 22:36.12 | DebianUser | sry |
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| 22:36.17 | vilemaxim | there is flood for that |
| 22:36.24 | caphuso | Laibsch: those things are called "nicks" |
| 22:36.25 | DebianUser | want to send you messages log |
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| 22:36.29 | sepski | Charmy, well i imagined that the 3c509 would be supported by also the 3c59x.. try /etc/init.d/networking stop; rmmod 3c509 ; modprobe 3c59x ; /etc/init.d/networking start to test it. the reason i ask is that in 3c59x you can force speed and duplex |
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| 22:36.33 | vilemaxim | DebianUser, no |
| 22:36.40 | sepski | iv never used the 3c509 you might do the same there |
| 22:36.47 | DebianUser | why not ? |
| 22:36.50 | Laibsch | caphuso: Well, that is alright. BUt I do not drink coffee :-) |
| 22:37.22 | vilemaxim | DebianUser, check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 22:37.22 | DebianUser | ok |
| 22:37.22 | Charmy | sepski: worth a try. let me boot up debian install again |
| 22:37.22 | caphuso | Laibsch: that means it's going to be even more painful :-) |
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| 22:37.48 | DebianUser | (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled |
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| 22:37.57 | vilemaxim | DebianUser, copy anything useful in #flood |
| 22:38.04 | DebianUser | ok |
| 22:38.06 | quentusrex | Anyone in here know of a good tutorial for parsing files using either perl, or bash scripting? Does anyone know why one would be better than the other? Anyone know of any good Linux programming channels? |
| 22:38.13 | sepski | Charmy, use lsmod to verify the rmmod worked and also that the modprobe worked |
| 22:38.14 | Laibsch | caphuso: What I am after now is not so much getting out of the trouble but getting a good bug |
| 22:38.14 | Laibsch | report out so that it does not happen to another person who might actually totally f' around their system. |
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| 22:38.39 | Charmy | sepski: since i'm starting the install anew, can't i just install 3c59x from the get go? no need to remove a module which isn't even installed |
| 22:38.50 | Laibsch | caphuso: What are the things I should backup now, what should I look at? |
| 22:38.52 | sepski | Charmy, uuh yes, |
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| 22:40.20 | caphuso | Laibsch: anthing important you have on your box. /home/*, some stuff from /var, /etc |
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| 22:40.47 | caphuso | Laibsch: btw, the sarge release notes explicitely say that the recommended way of upgrading is to use aptitude |
| 22:40.47 | Laibsch | caphuso: Is that a question? |
| 22:41.07 | caphuso | Laibsch: i don't see a "?" in there :) |
| 22:41.18 | mwilson | caphuso: That's too bad. |
| 22:41.26 | Laibsch | caphuso: Hm, too late now. But anyway it should either work or be left out. |
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| 22:41.45 | Charmy | sepski: hah, this is amusing. Woody detected the Sarge packages on the sarge install CD, and asked if i wanted to install from those. I said no. i don't want to mix distros.. |
| 22:41.48 | Laibsch | mwilson: What do U mean? |
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| 22:41.55 | quentusrex | How can you find out if you have sarge, or one of the others? I tried uname, but didn't see anything worth it. |
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| 22:42.06 | caphuso | quentusrex: /etc/debian_version |
| 22:42.07 | quentusrex | Is there a specific command? |
| 22:42.13 | quentusrex | caphuso, thanks |
| 22:42.43 | quentusrex | it only says 3.1 |
| 22:42.58 | caphuso | quentusrex: that means sarge or sid. and if you were using sid, you'd know |
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| 22:43.14 | uau | preconfiguration of packages failed when doing dist-upgrade for sid, seems to be bug #293666; how likely is it that something broke because of the lack of preconfigure? |
| 22:43.18 | quentusrex | which is considered unstable? |
| 22:43.22 | Laibsch | caphuso: You suggest backing up all data and config files and reinstalling? |
| 22:43.24 | caphuso | quentusrex: sid |
| 22:43.29 | quentusrex | good, i'm in that one |
| 22:43.35 | caphuso | Laibsch: no, i recommend backing up and trying to fix the mess |
| 22:43.43 | quentusrex | Now I'm getting somewhere and learning some good stuff. |
| 22:43.51 | caphuso | damnit |
| 22:43.59 | paulswm | Charmy: Maybe it's OK, because it'll install the sarge base and so you wouldn't be mixing distros, why not give it a whirl, I mean what can you possibly lose |
| 22:44.13 | quentusrex | I'm a new convert from Mandrake, who converted to Mandrake 1 year ago from Windows XP. |
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| 22:44.29 | cheale1 | quentusrex: good, except you should be using testing/sarge |
| 22:44.52 | quentusrex | chealel, is there a way to 'backtrack'? go from SID to Sarge? |
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| 22:45.28 | cheale1 | !sid->sarge |
| 22:45.29 | PerfDave | quentusrex: Reinstall ;) |
| 22:45.37 | cafuego | caphuso: Just for the record, aptitude is trying to totally destroy one of mys ervers when I run an upgrade. dselect is fine. |
| 22:45.49 | quentusrex | Would I just edit the /etc/apt/sources.list from unstable to testing, then 'apt-get -distupgrade |
| 22:45.51 | cheale1 | !dpkg |
| 22:45.51 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 22:46.12 | cheale1 | !sid->sarge |
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| 22:46.17 | PerfDave | quentusrex: No, you can't downgrade. |
| 22:46.27 | quentusrex | Ok, oh well then. |
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| 22:46.34 | caphuso | cafuego: yeah, but i got somewhat tired of telling people to use dselect |
| 22:46.34 | cheale1 | eh, dpkg's parsing is broken |
| 22:46.42 | quentusrex | I've had no problems with SID that I haven't been able to fix myself. |
| 22:46.42 | bronaugh | hmm quick q re debian. |
| 22:46.49 | bronaugh | is there a util to manage what runs in each runlevel on startup? |
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| 22:46.59 | mwilson | caphuso: Will TPTB ever realize how broken aptitude is? |
| 22:47.01 | bronaugh | I've always just symlinked things together. is there a better way? |
| 22:47.07 | cafuego | bronaugh: Yes. update-rc.d |
| 22:47.09 | PerfDave | bronaugh: update-rc.d |
| 22:47.18 | bronaugh | nice. |
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| 22:47.43 | caphuso | mwilson: probably not before TPTB get restaffed |
| 22:47.48 | Glitters | are the cdrom and the other volumes auto mounted on the Xwindow? |
| 22:47.52 | quentusrex | anyone have experience using 'proxychains'? |
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| 22:47.57 | Charmy | paulswm: hm, doesn't work. it can't find the files it wants. i know! Perhaps i'll try booting from the sarge disks and then sashay into the CD that way. |
| 22:48.04 | Laibsch | caphuso: OK, I will do that. But as I said rectification is priority number two. I want to make sarge a good |
| 22:48.04 | Laibsch | release. Thus I am asking what I should get into the bug report so it has all the needed info. |
| 22:48.05 | Lo_Meinix | Hello |
| 22:48.09 | Charmy | paulswm: at least i know that with the install disks they can actually SEE the bloody cdrom |
| 22:48.09 | datadinkusmc001 | hello |
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| 22:48.14 | Charmy | paulswm: Where do I find the sarge install floppies again? |
| 22:48.19 | paulswm | Charmy: heh |
| 22:48.25 | cheale1 | quentusrex: since how long are you using debian? |
| 22:48.28 | datadinkusmc001 | hey anyone have experience with installing nvidia drovers? |
| 22:48.32 | paulswm | Charmy: I don't know, I didn't tell you the first time |
| 22:48.40 | bronaugh | ok so "remove" would remove all the "start" entries? |
| 22:48.40 | Charmy | paulswm: I thought you were a Sarge lover though =p |
| 22:48.48 | cheale1 | datadinkusmc001: unfortunately, I do. ask your question instead of asking that |
| 22:48.48 | bronaugh | or would it also remove the "stop" entries in /etc/rc6.d? |
| 22:48.55 | cafuego | datadinkusmc001: yes. The packages come with docs. Useful docs. |
| 22:49.08 | paulswm | Charmy: I am a sarge net install ***CD*** lover :P |
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| 22:49.22 | Charmy | paulswm: Well I'll be using that as soon as i can GET to the CD =) |
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| 22:49.53 | quentusrex | chealel, I have been in debian for about 1 month |
| 22:50.19 | Lo_Meinix | I finally fixed the sound problem I had with ALSA....took me 4 days...... |
| 22:50.28 | quentusrex | chealel, but I have been using Linux for over a year. I have been programming for over 8. I have been helping the Mandrake community for the past 9 months. |
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| 22:50.31 | ThePiratemaster | learning experiance |
| 22:50.31 | Lo_Meinix | and then I quit trying and used OSS |
| 22:50.46 | datadinkusmc001 | k well I can't stop GMD oe xwindows for some reason |
| 22:50.50 | quentusrex | Now I am trying to learn debian. I have more faith in the future of debian. |
| 22:50.51 | bronaugh | is there something even higher-level than update-rc.d? |
| 22:51.04 | Laibsch | caphuso ? |
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| 22:51.17 | cafuego | bronaugh: 'rcconf' |
| 22:51.30 | caphuso | Laibsch: we don't know what the actual bug is |
| 22:51.37 | bronaugh | cafuego: cool. |
| 22:51.45 | cheale1 | quentusrex: oh... I guess you can use sid, but I don't see why you don't stick on testing. you know you can use some sid packages while still using testing? that gives you control on the level of brokenness |
| 22:52.19 | cheale1 | datadinkusmc001: even with /etc/init.d/gdm stop ? |
| 22:52.21 | quentusrex | chealel, Do you know of any way to 'DownGrade'? |
| 22:52.26 | datadinkusmc001 | hey cheale1 (does that screen name snad for complete heal?) |
| 22:52.37 | datadinkusmc001 | yea tried that |
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| 22:52.55 | Lo_Meinix | Yeah, took me 4 days to realize ALSA wasn't going to work for me or at least I wasn't going to figure it out. Took me all of 2 minutes to get OSS working. |
| 22:52.57 | Jon | hi all. I'm having a lot of trouble getting sarge d-i burns to recognise my HD. weird, the exact same ones did do so in the recent past. but, I have managed to get a livecd to boot. it's debian based and I'm wondering, how can I work out which modules are being used to support the HD? It's /dev/sda so I need to work out the bottom-level scsi driver being mapped to the sdmod through the subsystem, if you see what I mean |
| 22:52.59 | cheale1 | so what does it do (I don't understand your pre-last msg) |
| 22:53.01 | quentusrex | chealel, I have spent weeks customizing this just how i like it. It would not be worth it to me in my mind to reinstall everything. |
| 22:53.30 | datadinkusmc001 | nothin cheale1 its an everquest thing |
| 22:53.45 | ThePiratemaster | does debian automaticly detect hardware? |
| 22:53.57 | Laibsch | caphuso: I thought somebody here would have some things to say about where to look, what to save |
| 22:53.57 | Laibsch | so *others* then have enough info to easily reproduce and fix. |
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| 22:54.03 | vilemaxim | ThePiratemaster, sarge does during the isntall |
| 22:54.06 | rob__ | sup guys |
| 22:54.12 | vilemaxim | ThePiratemaster, for woody install discover |
| 22:54.33 | cheale1 | datadinkusmc001: so you execute /etc/init.d/gdm stop and nothing happens? I'm not really convinced |
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| 22:54.54 | Glitters | how the hek i can eject the cdrom! :S |
| 22:54.56 | datadinkusmc001 | it just says bad file name or directory |
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| 22:55.10 | ThePiratemaster | do i need advanced linux knowledge for that |
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| 22:55.18 | caphuso | Laibsch: save what? |
| 22:55.23 | cheale1 | datadinkusmc001: I guess that's not nothing |
| 22:55.36 | cheale1 | datadinkusmc001: so are you sure you're using gdm? |
| 22:55.39 | steve__ | anyone know how I can get my laptop to hibernate |
| 22:55.47 | datadinkusmc001 | gnome |
| 22:55.50 | bronaugh | cafuego: thanks much, rcconf is exactly what I wanted. |
| 22:56.11 | Glitters | why i cant eject the cdrom? :( |
| 22:56.14 | vilemaxim | ThePiratemaster, apt-get install discover |
| 22:56.19 | quentusrex | Does anyone here know of a program that hooks all tcp requests and routes them through proxy/proxies? |
| 22:56.21 | cheale1 | datadinkusmc001: do you have gdm installed? |
| 22:56.33 | datadinkusmc001 | actually not sure |
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| 22:56.37 | paulswm | Charmy: when this is solved, you ought to write it up **while it's fresh in your mind***: problem, diagnostic process, solution, maybe it's worth extra credit, maybe it'd make a good presentation |
| 22:56.39 | ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 22:56.43 | cafuego | Glitters: Is it mounted? |
| 22:56.47 | gentooian | quentusrex: ssh tunneling? |
| 22:56.48 | Glitters | yeah.. |
| 22:56.49 | quentusrex | I have tested a program called Proxychains, but I have yet to find a way to get it to hook ALL packets |
| 22:56.52 | ThePiratemaster | does apt-get automaticly informs me of updates? |
| 22:56.55 | steve__ | anyone know how I can get my laptop to hibernate |
| 22:56.56 | cafuego | Glitters: Coz it's mounted. |
| 22:57.01 | datadinkusmc001 | but the point is I want to install the nvidia drivers and when I run it, It says to close x windows |
| 22:57.04 | quentusrex | gentooian, similiar to tunneling. yes. |
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| 22:57.11 | Glitters | either mounted or not, it wont eject |
| 22:57.16 | datadinkusmc001 | don't know how to do that |
| 22:57.16 | cafuego | Glitters: If you unmount it, you can eject it. |
| 22:57.17 | Glitters | i tried both ways |
| 22:57.26 | Jon | Glitters: broken button? :P |
| 22:57.32 | steve__ | anyone know how I can get my laptop to hibernate |
| 22:57.36 | Laibsch | caphuso: save info about what has caused this that might still be present noe but might be gone after |
| 22:57.36 | Laibsch | I cleaned the mess up. I would not know what that info could be, but I thought there might be |
| 22:57.36 | Laibsch | somebody here to tell me. |
| 22:57.37 | rob__ | does anyone know how to enmable hiugh memory support in kernel linxu |
| 22:57.38 | quentusrex | ThePiratemaster, No It won't automatically inform you. (so I think) but you can write a script to autocheck. |
| 22:57.42 | rob__ | i can only see 880 mB of ram |
| 22:57.43 | pingouin | any clue to print japanese or exotic fonts with cups ? |
| 22:57.44 | ThePiratemaster | 2.4 kernel has that perob sometimkes |
| 22:57.45 | nvz | datadinkusmc001: you using nvidia binary? |
| 22:57.48 | steve__ | anyone know how I can get my laptop to hibernate |
| 22:57.48 | cafuego | Glitters: 'sudo eject hdc' (or whatever device the cd is) |
| 22:57.48 | Glitters | it says: Eject /dev/hdc faild |
| 22:57.49 | Charmy | paulswm: I do have a paper to write for the end of the course about common system adminitrator tasks. i could probably squeeze in my experiences here, yeah. |
| 22:57.57 | cheale1 | datadinkusmc001: good thing you're trying to know how to. are you using nvidia-installer directly from nvidia.com? |
| 22:57.59 | netcat | Glitters: You have to unmount it in order to eject it. |
| 22:58.09 | gentooian | rob__: your kernel is not compiled with high memory support |
| 22:58.19 | paulswm | Charmy: ther's a silver lining in every cloud :) |
| 22:58.23 | datadinkusmc001 | I'm using the installer |
| 22:58.26 | steve__ | anyone know how I can get my laptop to hibernate |
| 22:58.30 | ThePiratemaster | anyone know a good scripting tuto? |
| 22:58.40 | ThePiratemaster | www.ltdp.org |
| 22:58.42 | ThePiratemaster | ? |
| 22:58.42 | Charmy | paulswm: these be a lot of clouds though =( with no sun in sight. |
| 22:58.46 | Gathond | ThePiratemaster: in what language? bash? |
| 22:58.48 | steve__ | anyone know how I can get my laptop to hibernate |
| 22:58.51 | ThePiratemaster | yes |
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| 22:58.57 | ThePiratemaster | bask-scripting |
| 22:58.57 | cheale1 | datadinkusmc001: don't use nvidia's installer. |
| 22:58.58 | cheale1 | !tell datadinkusmc001 about nvidia |
| 22:59.12 | datadinkusmc001 | ahh I see |
| 22:59.16 | Gathond | ThePiratemaster: tldp have a quite good bash guide, or actually several off varying complexity |
| 22:59.17 | datadinkusmc001 | what should I use then |
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| 22:59.19 | cheale1 | datadinkusmc001: there's a debian way to install the nvidia drivers |
| 22:59.21 | Charmy | paulswm: *blink* suddenly, windows ME doesn't seem so bad! |
| 22:59.23 | sepski | steve__, type /msg dpkg suspend |
| 22:59.27 | Charmy | paulswm: omg what have you done to me =p |
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| 22:59.30 | paulswm | aaargh |
| 22:59.36 | steve__ | okay |
| 22:59.38 | cheale1 | datadinkusmc001: it's explained in the message dpkg sent you, on home.comcast.net |
| 22:59.50 | Oscarian | hi all. i need to get java installed but apt-get install java doesn't do anything...any clues? |
| 22:59.51 | JohnGH | Charmy sounds desperate! :( |
| 22:59.51 | paulswm | !beat Charmy for considering WinME |
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| 23:00.23 | quentusrex | Who knows whether bash or perl would be better for parsing info from a website? |
| 23:00.24 | cheale1 | datadinkusmc001: about knowing how to stop X, you'll have to figure out which login manager you're using. but I'm going to fill my stomach for now, sorry |
| 23:00.24 | sepski | charmy you can still try the debootstrap method |
| 23:00.27 | ThePiratemaster | lets start with the hardest one and if i dont get something i'll go down a lever |
| 23:00.33 | datadinkusmc001 | thankies guys |
| 23:00.36 | ThePiratemaster | *level |
| 23:00.49 | paulswm | yes, sepski has a good point |
| 23:00.53 | nvz | quentusrex: which one do you know how to use? |
| 23:00.57 | ThePiratemaster | anyone know a FAST debian mirror? |
| 23:00.57 | quentusrex | ThePiratemaster, I admire your courage. |
| 23:00.59 | Charmy | sepski: that sounds really complicated, time consuming, and dangerous though Sepski. sespecially since i would have no clue, experience, or physical help in that regard. |
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| 23:01.09 | ThePiratemaster | that's the way i work |
| 23:01.12 | quentusrex | nvz, I know enough about both. but I am also looking to learn more. |
| 23:01.15 | nvz | ThePiratemaster: apt-spy |
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| 23:01.27 | ThePiratemaster | i haven't installed it yet |
| 23:01.29 | gentooian | ThePiratemaster, the pair.com mirror |
| 23:01.38 | ThePiratemaster | so i do not have apt yet |
| 23:01.40 | sepski | charmy your allways friendly #debian channel is here when you'r stuck :) |
| 23:01.45 | nvz | quentusrex: well if you knew enough you would be able to come up with a solution and not ask questions |
| 23:01.45 | ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 23:01.50 | ThePiratemaster | what's the IP? |
| 23:01.56 | quentusrex | nvz, haha. Good point. |
| 23:02.00 | sepski | dangerous ????? |
| 23:02.04 | gentooian | debian.mirrors.pair.com |
| 23:02.28 | paulswm | ThePiratemaster: I often get >500 KBytes/sec on a 5 MBit line from http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 23:02.28 | quentusrex | nvz, let me rephrase. I know enough to have gotten me as far as I am. I'm looking to learn enough to more forward. |
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| 23:02.36 | ThePiratemaster | lol, im gonna install on a p3 dual processing michine |
| 23:02.38 | nvz | quentusrex: python is easier for newbies to catch on to its well documented and loosly typed |
| 23:02.40 | steve__ | sepski, it says /msg: No such file or directory |
| 23:02.58 | sepski | !tell steve__ about suspend |
| 23:03.05 | JohnGH | Charmy, I'm sorry I've been afk lots of this evening, what is the problem you're having? can you summarise for me please? (by msg if you don't want to repeat on channel) |
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| 23:03.06 | quentusrex | nvz, haha. I have plenty of programming skills with C, and C++ to include Java. |
| 23:03.06 | sepski | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.16 | ThePiratemaster | next week i'll get a modo with a AMD64 slots |
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| 23:03.21 | ThePiratemaster | *mobo |
| 23:03.26 | JohnGH | oh dear *groan* |
| 23:03.29 | Glitters | even though it wont eject |
| 23:03.38 | Charmy | JohnGH: Wow, that would take several pages johnGH.. |
| 23:03.40 | Glitters | "eject /dev/hdc failed" |
| 23:03.41 | ThePiratemaster | and 16 slots for ram |
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| 23:03.47 | nvz | quentusrex: this is not the place to ask servey questions about which programming language is better. |
| 23:03.58 | ThePiratemaster | i love my job |
| 23:04.04 | Charmy | paulswm: Oh, good news. I got the sarge installatino disks, and its now detected the netinst CD and it seems to be installing from it now =) |
| 23:04.11 | Covener | ThePiratemaster: and typing, it appears. |
| 23:04.20 | paulswm | Charmy: you don't have a log or scrollback? We're into the second volume of Charmy And The Debian Install |
| 23:04.26 | ThePiratemaster | i love that too |
| 23:04.33 | nvz | quentusrex: this is a volenteer support channel for debian where ordinary debian users help other users.. its not a developer channel |
| 23:04.35 | quentusrex | nvz, that wasn't my intent. I have not ever written anything to parse info from a website. Do you know of a tutorial for either bash or perl? |
| 23:04.36 | Charmy | jongh: I do have a log, if you want me to send you it. |
| 23:04.36 | paulswm | Charmy: YESYESYES |
| 23:04.46 | JohnGH | Charmy: I'm not asking for several pages - what's the gist? You have a machine with no OS? |
| 23:04.53 | quentusrex | nvz, then where is a good programming channel? |
| 23:04.54 | Charmy | JohnGH: Yes, and the network card isn't working |
| 23:05.02 | paulswm | JohnGH: : you don't have a log or scrollback? We're into the second volume of Charmy And The Debian Install |
| 23:05.08 | nvz | quentusrex: go to #bash, #perl, #python..etc |
| 23:05.15 | quentusrex | nvz, thanks |
| 23:05.27 | Charmy | paulswm: Okay, I'm back at the same place i was with woody.. a list of network drivers. |
| 23:05.29 | paulswm | Charmy: sorry about the log message, I intended it for JohnGH not you |
| 23:05.36 | quentusrex | nvz, I'm not new to linux or programming. But I am new to irc. |
| 23:05.38 | Charmy | paulswm: It has dettected two. eth0 and eth1. |
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| 23:05.48 | Charmy | paulswm: Both 3COM Etherlink III |
| 23:05.56 | paulswm | Charmy: have you got two cards? |
| 23:05.59 | Charmy | paulswm: Nope |
| 23:06.02 | Charmy | paulswm: So this is really creepy =p |
| 23:06.04 | JohnGH | paulswm: not logging and not enough scrollback sorry :-( I was just wondering if there was something I could do to help. |
| 23:06.14 | nvz | quentusrex: cool, you use debian? |
| 23:06.17 | Lo_Meinix | quentusrex: how can you be new to irc.....irc is older than my grandmother |
| 23:06.23 | paulswm | JohnGH: yeah, look up a couple of lines :) |
| 23:06.24 | Charmy | JohnGH: Thats very kind of you JohnGH. Right now my machine is booted up with the Sarge installer. |
| 23:06.33 | Charmy | JohnGH: I need help getting the netweork set up so i can get the base system from the internet. |
| 23:06.50 | sepski | JohnGH, you could try typing /lastlog Charmy |
| 23:07.00 | Charmy | paulswm: Why would it list two network cards when i only have one? |
| 23:07.04 | paulswm | Charmy: so we try one, and if that doesn't work, next time we try the other, try eth0 |
| 23:07.06 | JohnGH | sepski: thanks, it won't go back far enough. |
| 23:07.22 | Charmy | paulswm: Okay, i'm installing the 3c509 driver, eth0 device... |
| 23:07.22 | paulswm | Charmy: I have no idea |
| 23:07.28 | sepski | increase your svcrollback then :) wonder when xchat will support a scrollback partition... |
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| 23:07.54 | Charmy | Okay, Network Autoconfigureation Failed. do you want to set up manually? |
| 23:07.55 | JohnGH | Charmy: is your network card on the motherboard or plugged in to a slot? (like PCI) |
| 23:08.00 | Charmy | paulswm: I assume yes i do..? |
| 23:08.06 | paulswm | Crap |
| 23:08.15 | Charmy | JohnGH: Its a 3COM Etherlink III ISA card 10mbit, JohnGH |
| 23:08.21 | paulswm | Charmy: sure, but I don't know how to do that |
| 23:08.24 | JohnGH | sepski: I'm not using xchat |
| 23:08.30 | sepski | i am |
| 23:08.33 | Charmy | paulswm: seems i'm still stuck =( |
| 23:08.46 | Glitters | it apears to magically ejected |
| 23:08.49 | sepski | Charmy, jump to console. check your modules |
| 23:08.51 | paulswm | JohnGH: Charmy 's PC was made back in the days of steam power |
| 23:09.16 | Charmy | paulswm: they can't all be gems. the machine i'm chatting from can run Doom 3 at 100 fps on high detail :) |
| 23:09.27 | sepski | Charmy, also check ifconfig see if you can figure out why you see eth1 also |
| 23:09.34 | quentusrex | Lo_meinix: I use to use AIM and MSN |
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| 23:09.38 | JohnGH | paulswm: like all of the machines around my house :o) mostly 233MHz or slower |
| 23:09.44 | Charmy | sepski: how do i check modules from consoel Sepski? |
| 23:09.48 | sepski | lsmod |
| 23:10.31 | paulswm | Charmy: just kidding of course, I have an original IBM PC, a Victor 9000, an ALR 25MHz 386 and a bernouilli drive here |
| 23:10.31 | Charmy | speski: okay, i typed ifconfig. i see two devices sepski. one is called eth0, te other called LO. "local loopback"? |
| 23:10.50 | paulswm | yes lo is loopback |
| 23:10.51 | sepski | then you only have 1 nic that's good atleast, |
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| 23:11.02 | nvz | quentusrex: If you get some time, check out the freenode channel guidelines http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml and possibly the other philosophy stuff there. There's channels for a lot of FOSS projects here on freenode. Its a good place to hang out. But theres a lot of differences from AIM/MSN |
| 23:11.07 | paulswm | but why eth0 and eth1 |
| 23:11.20 | Charmy | paulswm: When I type ifconfig, it only lists eth0 right now. |
| 23:11.26 | Charmy | paulswm: eth0, and that lo thing. |
| 23:11.45 | Lo_Meinix | Question: I need the XFree86 development packages to compile mplayer to work with xwindows.....anyone know what those files are? |
| 23:11.54 | netcat | paulswm: Does the Victor 9000 have the 400KB variable speed floppy drives? |
| 23:12.13 | cafuego | WaaAAAAHHHH!!! |
| 23:12.27 | paulswm | netcat: yes, I also have the British version: Sirius 1 |
| 23:12.27 | sepski | Charmy, 'dmesg | grep eth' and see what you can see |
| 23:12.51 | Charmy | sepski: I will try to transcribe the result |
| 23:12.53 | Charmy | sepski: lets see... |
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| 23:13.07 | Charmy | sepski: eth0: 3c5x9 at 0x220, 10baseT port, address ------- (not going to type it out)... irq 5 |
| 23:13.09 | sepski | Lo_Meinix, why dont you use marilatt's prepacaged mplayer ? |
| 23:13.15 | paulswm | cafuego: 10 MB cartridges, about 10 x 12 " or so |
| 23:13.19 | Charmy | sepski: eth1: 3c5x9 at 0x300, 10baseT port, adddress --------- IRQ 10 |
| 23:13.22 | JohnGH | I have a 486 sx 25 here with 8MB of RAM running Slackware 4.1 which from memory was about a 1.2.3X kernel :o) |
| 23:13.36 | Charmy | sepski: eth0: Setting 3c5x9/3c5x9B half-duplex mode if_port: 0, sw_info: 1300 |
| 23:13.46 | Charmy | sepski: This line repeats twice. |
| 23:13.49 | Charmy | sepski: So thats what it says. |
| 23:14.08 | nvz | heh |
| 23:14.08 | sepski | Charmy, are you _sure_ you only have 1 card ? o onboard nothing ? |
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| 23:14.14 | netcat | paulswm: I think Chuck Peddle helped design the Victor 9000; he was the inventor of the 6502 CPU. |
| 23:14.16 | sepski | paulswm, :) |
| 23:14.27 | Charmy | sepski: um, fairly certain.. there IS an onboard 28.8kbps modem. |
| 23:14.29 | cafuego | paulswm: Would you like to purchase my cisco isdn router? ;-) |
| 23:14.31 | Charmy | sepski: But i doubt that counts. |
| 23:14.44 | JohnGH | I can't upgrade it though, because modern kernels need too much RAM and Deb don't wanna play with dinosaurs like that... I had to install it by floppy and interlnk/intersvr because apart from the serial/parellel cables it's got no networking :o) |
| 23:14.48 | oPeter | Hello, since today i have an AMD64 CPU , what image do i have to download for installing debian? Like always the i386 ? |
| 23:15.00 | cafuego | oPeter: You have a few options there. |
| 23:15.21 | cafuego | oPeter: i386 will run fine. There is an amd64 system, which is faster, but not _official_ yet. |
| 23:15.26 | bolete | Charmy: Does 'ifconfig eth0' show an IP address in the output? |
| 23:15.31 | sepski | Charmy, lsmod what module do you use, rmmod it, |
| 23:15.37 | cafuego | oPeter: And then for a desktop box, there's 64bit Ubuntu (which I run) |
| 23:15.40 | paulswm | netcat: yes, Peddle designed it. It has intel CPU and PIC, hitachi video chip, Motorola serial IO, does 800x400 monochrome graphics and bitmapped text fonts when the old IBM pC was test only |
| 23:15.45 | oPeter | aha ic |
| 23:15.51 | oPeter | 64bit Ubuntu? |
| 23:15.55 | paulswm | s/test/text/ |
| 23:15.56 | Charmy | bolete: not right now. i haven't given it one yet. |
| 23:16.01 | nvz | !yinzersmite orchid |
| 23:16.10 | oPeter | never head from Ubuntu, what is it? |
| 23:16.15 | cafuego | Coz the debian amd-64 mirror was broken and slow a couple of weeks bavk. |
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| 23:16.26 | cafuego | oPeter: Basically a desktop optimised debian clone. |
| 23:16.27 | paulswm | cafuego: I'm not so much like him that I'm interested in your old isdn kit :) |
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| 23:16.34 | Charmy | sepski: the command rmmod is not found. |
| 23:16.36 | oPeter | ic |
| 23:16.40 | ThePiratemaster | is that the ip of a debian mirror: 194.109.137.218 |
| 23:16.43 | cafuego | paulswm: You KNOW you want it! |
| 23:16.48 | sepski | no lsmod either ? |
| 23:16.51 | nvz | Charmy: you have to be root |
| 23:16.59 | orchid | nvz: you will likely have to compile bzflag to run 2.0 on woody |
| 23:17.23 | Charmy | nvz: Um.. i'm inside an installation nvz. |
| 23:17.26 | JohnGH | and when you're root it will mysteriously appear as /sbin/rmmod |
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| 23:17.31 | nvz | orchid: whats that got to do with the price of pierogies dahntahn? |
| 23:17.34 | Charmy | sepski: There IS an lsmod |
| 23:17.37 | cafuego | oPeter: http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/sarge-amd64-netinst.iso (Debian 'testing') or www.ubuntulinux.org for ubuntu isos. |
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| 23:17.42 | sepski | Charmy, what you _could_ try is interfacing that nic with different hub's switches and use dmesg to see if it configures correctly |
| 23:17.47 | nvz | Charmy: well then wtf do you need rmmod for :P |
| 23:17.58 | samlander | greetings |
| 23:18.08 | Charmy | sepski: Different hub switches? dmesg? |
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| 23:18.13 | Charmy | sepski: i'm realy confused =/ |
| 23:18.20 | FieldySnuts | especially at "hub switches" |
| 23:18.26 | samlander | ... please remind me... where about is the common configurations stored again? |
| 23:18.28 | orchid | nvz: hrm, it thought you had SDL/joystick problem, must have been someone else, sry |
| 23:18.28 | sepski | charmy plug the nic into a different hub, run dmesg to see what it configures up to |
| 23:18.36 | Charmy | sepski: i only have one hub |
| 23:18.40 | nvz | orchid: I didnt have a problem until I ran jscalibrator |
| 23:18.43 | bolete | <samlander> ... please remind me... where about is the common configurations stored again? |
| 23:18.43 | bolete | <orchid> nv |
| 23:18.53 | FieldySnuts | mii-tool will also tell you that info |
| 23:18.54 | bolete | oops |
| 23:18.54 | oPeter | tnx cafuego |
| 23:18.59 | sepski | Charmy, i keep forgetting not everyone have a floor of old hardware laying around |
| 23:19.06 | samlander | its been awhile since i've used debian linux |
| 23:19.07 | nvz | orchid: after that jscalibrator showed my dpad moving properly and it stopped it from working at all in bzflag |
| 23:19.17 | sepski | Charmy, also i think you'r gf dont mind your computer hobby as much as my do... |
| 23:19.19 | netcat | samlander: in the /etc directory |
| 23:19.22 | samlander | im sure it will all come back to me, but im green again, and have to learn things all over again ;) |
| 23:19.26 | Charmy | sepski: yes. i'm sorry.. i don't have those things.. i just am a university student trying to install linux.. foolishly thinking it wasn't this hard to do =p |
| 23:19.26 | samlander | <netcat> thanks |
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| 23:19.34 | samlander | brb |
| 23:19.45 | sepski | Charmy, it's not but when working with oold hardware you'll have issues |
| 23:19.54 | Charmy | sepski: I don't have a GF, i have a BF =p and he's crazy about computers too.. he's just kinda clueless when it comes to linux. |
| 23:19.56 | netcat | samlander: use the "locate" command to find files... |
| 23:19.59 | sepski | Charmy, but atleast this way you have fun and learn at the same time :)) |
| 23:19.59 | nvz | orchid: I had the sidewinder working but it didnt like to move up and often moved to the right for no reason.. jscalibrator showed the same.. after calibration it showed it fine, now all 10 triggers still work in bzflag but I cant move |
| 23:20.06 | Gathond | Charmy: hard is in the eye of the beholder, I've had more trouble installing windows than I have with debian |
| 23:20.10 | Glitters | i type reboot, it says: command not found. wtf :( |
| 23:20.14 | paulswm | cafuego: I want ISDN kit about as badly as I want to see HM QE II in her underwear |
| 23:20.16 | Charmy | Gathond: I guss i've been lucky when it comes to windows. |
| 23:20.21 | FieldySnuts | Glitters: try shutdown -h now |
| 23:20.28 | FieldySnuts | Glitters: oh, and neither will work if you aren't root. |
| 23:20.30 | Gathond | Glitters: are you root?, is /sbin/ in your path? |
| 23:20.34 | Glitters | hehe |
| 23:20.37 | samlander | question #2: to upgrade to sarge, I just need to change 'stable' to 'unstable' in my apt sources list, do an apt-update then an upgrade.... ? (iirc) |
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| 23:20.47 | Glitters | su -c ... ? |
| 23:20.49 | Charmy | sepski: I'm learning that i shouldn't try to install an OS without clearing out my schedule for the whole weekend =p |
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| 23:20.55 | paulswm | samdret: NO, stable to testing |
| 23:21.07 | paulswm | samlander: NO, stable to testing |
| 23:21.29 | Glitters | and i made a few shortcuts to the desktop and down the task bar.. why its removed after i restarted the first time? |
| 23:21.42 | samlander | thankyou. |
| 23:21.44 | samlander | ttyiab |
| 23:21.49 | orchid | nvz: ok, well you might have luck in #bzflag, the guy that wrote the js stuff is usually around |
| 23:21.54 | paulswm | samlander: NOT unstable, there be dragons |
| 23:22.01 | bolete | Charmy: You are trying netinstall? |
| 23:22.09 | Charmy | bolete: Yes. trying, and failing.. |
| 23:22.14 | Jon | hm managed to get the HD recognised in expert26 install, but it still involved a manual modprobe. methinks my install log will be an interesting read ;) |
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| 23:23.17 | cafuego | Jon: Got some kooky sata controller? |
| 23:23.32 | sepski | is there realy no rmmod ? ... if you could get the module removed you could try modprobe 3c59x full_duplex=1 |
| 23:23.46 | nvz | orchid: I didnt want to ask there because I dont see it being a bzflag problem *shrug* it worked until I installed and ran jscalibrator |
| 23:23.53 | bolete | Charmy: I think autoconfig failed because your eth is ISA. |
| 23:24.20 | Charmy | bolete: Well, it probed for the IRQ and IO succesfully. it just failed on the DHCP |
| 23:24.27 | Charmy | bolete: I tried manual settings before and they didn't work |
| 23:24.38 | sepski | wasnt there an dos util on those old 3coms to set the speed/duplex/autoneg/port setting |
| 23:24.45 | bolete | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.05 | Charmy | bolete: I have a packet sniffer called ethereal on here. Whenever i try pinging from the linux box, i get spammed with ARP packets |
| 23:25.13 | Charmy | bolete: but none make it back to the linux box, i guess. |
| 23:25.18 | paulswm | Charmy: I still wonder if it's something to do with the DHCP lease |
| 23:25.19 | Gathond | sepski: yes, especially the port think can bring trouble when you get an old card :) |
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| 23:25.26 | Glitters | my country is'nt mentioned in Country/Region & Language ... how can i add it? |
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| 23:25.55 | sepski | Gathond, you dont happen to have an url on the top of your head ? |
| 23:25.56 | Charmy | paulswm: But you said the only way to fix that would be get a full install of debian.. but ic an't do that without getitng a base install on here =/ |
| 23:26.00 | cafuego | Glitters: Do a translation and submit it. |
| 23:26.14 | Glitters | cafuego: what? how? :S |
| 23:26.26 | Gathond | sepski: to the dos software? nope, but I've always been able to find it through 3com.com |
| 23:26.33 | cafuego | Glitters: Which country/region you in? |
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| 23:26.42 | Glitters | cafuego: israel |
| 23:26.46 | Gathond | sepski: the more tricky bit is usually finding a dos bootdisk |
| 23:26.47 | paulswm | Charmy: I don't know if it would fix it or not, but it's the way to remember the lease, how important that is I don't know |
| 23:26.57 | cafuego | Glitters: Surely there's a hebrew translation in debian. |
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| 23:27.07 | sepski | Charmy, your nic should have a dos disk you can download from 3com, that you can use to configure the card and look at what it's configured to do |
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| 23:27.36 | Charmy | sepski: You mean it will actually remember configuration changes i make to it? How? c.c it has onboard memory? |
| 23:27.42 | Glitters | cafuego: where can i find it? it should've be "Asian - middle east" but all i found is Asian - east.. west.. north.. and this stuff |
| 23:27.44 | sepski | Gathond, www.bootdisk.com |
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| 23:27.56 | Glitters | i searched in them all and could'nt find israel |
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| 23:28.06 | Gathond | Charmy: yes, the dos config tool changes the configuration in the cards EEPROM |
| 23:28.08 | sepski | some form or EPROM i belive |
| 23:28.33 | Charmy | Gathond: is this disk bootable? or do i need a dos boot disk? |
| 23:28.40 | sepski | Charmy, it's ooold hardware they like haveing eeproms about :) |
| 23:28.43 | Charmy | sepski: So I guess I should boot out of this attempted sarge install then? |
| 23:28.44 | Gathond | Charmy: so stuff like configuring it to use the BNC port instead of the TP port is permanent, most other settings can be left as auto usually |
| 23:28.48 | cafuego | Glitters: Actually, it looks like the translation is a work in progress. |
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| 23:29.06 | sepski | Charmy, boot a dos boot disk, insert the 3com util disk and run the util |
| 23:29.12 | Glitters | cafuego: you mean its not available atm? |
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| 23:29.17 | cafuego | Glitters: *nod* |
| 23:29.23 | Glitters | aight.. |
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| 23:29.28 | Glitters | badly :p |
| 23:29.28 | bolete | Charmy: spend the twenty bux for a PCI |
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| 23:29.41 | Charmy | bolete: No available PCI slots |
| 23:29.41 | sepski | bolete, i dont think that box have pci slots even |
| 23:29.45 | cafuego | Glitters: They're looking for translators, though... |
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| 23:29.57 | bolete | ouch |
| 23:30.08 | Glitters | cafuego: are they gonna inform me when a translation is available? :P |
| 23:30.09 | sepski | otherways it woudn't be fun :) |
| 23:30.20 | tfh | Hello, i've checked apt-get.org and backports.org, but i couldn't find any mldonkey backports from sarge to woody. Anyone has an mldonkey core package for woody ? |
| 23:30.21 | cafuego | Glitters: I doubt it... why don't you help them? |
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| 23:30.31 | Charmy | sepski: i would have available pci slots if i threw out my video card.... =p |
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| 23:30.47 | sepski | Charmy, you can do that. and install over console |
| 23:30.53 | paulswm | heh |
| 23:30.56 | Photar | Is php 5 available for debian yet? |
| 23:31.03 | Glitters | cafuego: heh i have better things to do :P |
| 23:31.04 | sepski | Charmy, with debian you have all options :)) |
| 23:31.30 | cafuego | Photar: Not in stable, no. |
| 23:31.30 | cafuego | Glitters: Think of the karma! |
| 23:31.34 | Charmy | sepski: bah, i wonder if i should just give up. i'm not a computer guru. =/ |
| 23:31.45 | Charmy | sepski: nor do I have all the time in the world. |
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| 23:31.57 | sepski | Charmy, try the sarge netinstall on a regulat computer and it would go right in, no fun.. but it would work :) |
| 23:32.09 | Glitters | cafuego: well ok i'll help them |
| 23:32.13 | Charmy | sepski: Whats unregular about this computer? o.o |
| 23:32.15 | simonrvn | paulswm: a bit too far back ;) |
| 23:32.50 | paulswm | simonrvn: well it was meant as a joke, not so damn funny really now I see it in print :) |
| 23:32.52 | sepski | the age :) |
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| 23:33.07 | sepski | Charmy, what's its cpu / mem ? |
| 23:33.15 | Charmy | sepski: But the machines at the college are even OLDER and they installed debian without a hitch.. they were using ISA SMC cards. |
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| 23:33.23 | paulswm | 133/128 I think |
| 23:33.29 | Charmy | sepski: pentium 200mhz (upgraded from 133), and 128mb SIMM ram. |
| 23:33.34 | sepski | Charmy, your using 3com. and you havent even configured it yet... |
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| 23:33.48 | mohadib | is anyone having a problem with apt and the repos at kernel.org? |
| 23:33.51 | paulswm | Charmy: it's not the age, but maybe the HW config |
| 23:33.54 | sepski | Charmy, a beast :) |
| 23:34.04 | sepski | 16 megs should be enoughf for everybody |
| 23:34.14 | bolete | 640K |
| 23:34.18 | ThePiratemaster | woody netinstall doesnt detect my scsi crives nor my ide drive |
| 23:34.18 | Charmy | sepski: Win98 liked it.. *sniff* |
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| 23:34.31 | netcat | Charmy: Are those ISA or PCI network cards? Shouldn't they use the 3c59x.o drivers? |
| 23:34.39 | Charmy | netcat: these are ISA network cards. |
| 23:34.49 | Charmy | netcat: I chose the 3c509 module. |
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| 23:35.02 | Charmy | netcat: it autodetected successfully... |
| 23:35.08 | Gathond | netcat: iirc the 3x59x cards are only the PCI ones |
| 23:35.16 | sepski | Charmy, what you could try is go to console before selecting nic, and manualy try the 3c59x module |
| 23:35.17 | tfh | noone uses mldonkey on woody ? i couldn't find a backport . |
| 23:35.24 | sepski | that driver is a lot better then the rest imho |
| 23:35.29 | netcat | Charmy: Based on the Hardware compatibility HOWTO, it should be the 3c59x.o |
| 23:35.43 | sepski | Gathond, that would explan why that driver is better :)) |
| 23:35.44 | Charmy | netcat: 3COM ETHERLINK III ISA should be installed using 3c59x? |
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| 23:36.03 | Charmy | netcat: Wow, talk about misleading, considering the 3c509 is labled the same way as my card.. c.c |
| 23:36.14 | jetscreamer | Charmy, http://scyld.com/network.html |
| 23:36.17 | netcat | Charmy: If it ain't workin' now, might as well try it... :) |
| 23:36.20 | slowroth | hi all! how do i fix a broken dpkg/apt database? there is a machine with lots of libs which are not compliant to the database, to an apt-get install refuses to install any new packages which depend on those libs. |
| 23:36.24 | ThePiratemaster | woody netinstall doesnt detect my scsi crives nor my ide drive, how do i solve this? |
| 23:36.24 | Jon | cafuego: yeah, mod_piix it was. don't blame me, this was a complimentary computer ;) |
| 23:36.25 | Gathond | netcat: that might be, however the card he talks about does work with 3c509 and not the other one :) |
| 23:36.27 | paulswm | nothing to lose really |
| 23:36.29 | sepski | Charmy, the 3c509 is old, the 3c59x is newer and supports a wild range of 3com cards |
| 23:36.29 | bolete | Is there a way to dump the eeprom > stdout? |
| 23:36.37 | Charmy | netcat: Sure.. okay.. so um.. i gotta remove this 3c509 first right? rmmod doesn't exist though.. |
| 23:36.46 | jetscreamer | !tell ThePiratemaster about d-i |
| 23:37.01 | sepski | Charmy, reboot, and go to console before autodetecting cards |
| 23:37.03 | netcat | Charmy: locate mod | grep bin/ |
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| 23:37.16 | jetscreamer | !knoppix |
| 23:37.16 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
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| 23:37.27 | Charmy | sepski netcat: Which of these two should i be doing? ;p |
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| 23:38.15 | ThePiratemaster | yes for sarge, im talking about WOODY |
| 23:38.16 | netcat | Charmy: Both, you will pipe the output of locate into grep which will filter out everything that does not have "bin/" in it. |
| 23:38.23 | jetscreamer | tfh http://www.google.com/linux?q=mldonkey+woody&restrict=linux |
| 23:38.38 | sepski | netcat, do you have slocate databsase during the installation ? |
| 23:38.39 | tatoo_ | does anybody know how i can capture the photos from a digital cam sony cyber-shot series? |
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| 23:38.56 | netcat | sepski: oops... My bad... |
| 23:39.04 | sepski | Charmy, do my version :) |
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| 23:39.11 | Charmy | sepski: okay, going to reboot sarge then.. |
| 23:39.12 | Jon | when doing a d-i expert install I was offered choice of flavour (stable,testing,unstable). can d-i be reliably used to install woody? |
| 23:39.13 | db101 | hi guys |
| 23:39.18 | Jon | db101: ello |
| 23:39.19 | cheale1 | tatoo_: if it's supported, use gtkam |
| 23:39.26 | db101 | doesn anoyne use iptables ? |
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| 23:39.34 | Jon | db101: I do indeed |
| 23:39.40 | cafuego | doza: Almost everyone does. |
| 23:39.44 | db101 | i just need to know how to black traffic to all interfaces to a certain port |
| 23:39.45 | cafuego | !&* |
| 23:39.47 | db101 | is this possible? |
| 23:39.49 | Photar | Yay for unstable. |
| 23:39.58 | db101 | block |
| 23:40.00 | netcat | Jon: stable=woody |
| 23:40.09 | tatoo_ | cheale1: let me try it...thanks! |
| 23:40.11 | cafuego | db101: Yes. What you should do is block ALL traffic to ALL ports, then allow only specified traffic. |
| 23:40.22 | Jon | db101: yes very straifghtforward. iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --destination-port X -j DROP |
| 23:40.35 | Jon | db101: I'd highly recommend reading the netfilter.org HOWTO which covers this sort of thing |
| 23:40.38 | cheale1 | tatoo_: if you should have any tip, be in the camera group |
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| 23:40.59 | Jon | netcat: yeah I know, sorry not clear enough, is this an 'experimental' d-i feature or is it encouraged to use d-i to install woody/stable |
| 23:41.04 | samlander | ah.. much better |
| 23:41.14 | samlander | i personally hate ircII.. much prefer irssi |
| 23:41.22 | db101 | Jon: would that line there stop it to all of the interfaces includic dynamic interfaces like ppp0 |
| 23:41.24 | db101 | ? |
| 23:41.38 | samlander | quick question: when is sarge scheduled to become stable? |
| 23:41.46 | samlander | (if it is at all that is) |
| 23:41.48 | cheale1 | samlander: /topic |
| 23:41.48 | Jon | db101: yes, default is ALL traffic unless you explicitly specify an interface, afaik. but best way to be sure is to test! |
| 23:41.58 | db101 | excellent |
| 23:42.00 | db101 | thanks |
| 23:42.04 | Jon | np |
| 23:42.14 | samlander | ah |
| 23:42.44 | netcat | Jon: I have not used it but if it is included then I would guess they want you to use/test it... |
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| 23:43.17 | db101 | Jon: now say i wanted to access this port from 127.0.0.1 would it also be blocked? |
| 23:43.21 | Jon | netcat: hm that may prove useful. work want me to install debian as a host for UML servers - I'd be happiest using woody for that. thanks |
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| 23:43.26 | Jon | db101: yes |
| 23:43.33 | cheale1 | !sing sarge |
| 23:43.33 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 23:43.34 | db101 | dang thats no good |
| 23:43.42 | db101 | i wante dit to blockall outside ppls |
| 23:43.43 | Jon | db101: do you have any ports you want blocked on localhost? |
| 23:43.44 | db101 | not itself |
| 23:43.45 | FieldySnuts | s/day/year/ |
| 23:43.45 | db101 | heh |
| 23:43.48 | db101 | no |
| 23:43.49 | db101 | i dont |
| 23:43.52 | oPeter | Ok, this sucks there is no linux driver for my ethernet card :( (Realtek 8110C) Is there something compatible with it? |
| 23:43.55 | Jon | db101: if not, put a rule which matches that interfacae and jumps to ACCEPT before the others |
| 23:43.58 | cafuego | db101: Line one in your iptables script should be: iptables -I INPUT 1 -i lo -j ACCEPT |
| 23:44.08 | cheale1 | !tell db101 about enter |
| 23:44.13 | tatoo_ | cheale1: i have my cam on the box selected...but it can't be detacted...do you know why?? |
| 23:44.15 | FieldySnuts | cheale1: beat me to it |
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| 23:44.27 | cafuego | db101: And you should STILL block ALL traffic and allow only selected stuff, rather then vice versa. |
| 23:44.30 | cheale1 | tatoo_: are you in the camera group? |
| 23:44.30 | bolete | db101: apt-get install guarddog |
| 23:44.49 | db101 | bolete: whats guarddog |
| 23:45.07 | db101 | cafuego: any good howtos for that? |
| 23:45.12 | sepski | oPeter, modprobe 8139too ?? |
| 23:45.17 | netcat | Jon: You might want to take a look at the distro called adios; it has UML installed in it already. You can find a link on www.distrowatch.com. |
| 23:45.23 | bolete | db101: gui frontend for iptables |
| 23:45.31 | Jon | oPeter: I see drivers at http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?lineid=1&famid=4&series=2003072&Software=True |
| 23:45.35 | jmd | Suddenly after apt-get dist-upgrade on testing, my mouse speed is ultra fast what gives? |
| 23:45.49 | tatoo_ | cheale1: good....i don't think so...should i create another user and chgrp for it instead of change my personal group? |
| 23:46.08 | cafuego | db101: /usr/share/doc/iptables/html has the full howto. Basically use '-P DROP' to set the policy, use state matching to allow related,established and then allow incoming to specific ports. (say ssh, web, mail) |
| 23:46.22 | chealer | tatoo_: you odn't have to change your group, you add yourself to the camera group : adduser you camera |
| 23:46.23 | db101 | ok |
| 23:46.24 | db101 | thanks |
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| 23:46.31 | cafuego | db101: And allow '-i lo' |
| 23:46.35 | db101 | nice |
| 23:46.37 | db101 | :D |
| 23:46.52 | cafuego | I can type it up for you in 30 secs if you want |
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| 23:47.14 | samlander | any suggestions on a lite window manager? |
| 23:47.16 | chealer | FieldySnuts: why not just repeat it? :) |
| 23:47.21 | Charmy | sepski: okay, i'm back at the network hardware part again. so i select 3c59x? |
| 23:47.24 | Jon | netcat: hm that looks interesting, thanks for the tip |
| 23:47.25 | cafuego | samlander: 9wm |
| 23:47.42 | sepski | Charmy, yes, then go console and dmesg |
| 23:47.53 | Jon | samlander: ion, version 1.x |
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| 23:48.03 | samlander | groovy |
| 23:48.06 | netcat | Jon: np |
| 23:48.08 | samlander | cafuego: 9wm is on apt? |
| 23:48.11 | Charmy | sepski: are you sure this ir ight? This is called 3com 5c59x/3c9xx PCI ETHERNET |
| 23:48.15 | oPeter | tnx jon, i don't know why i couldn't find it there ... i only saw windows versions, but tnx |
| 23:48.16 | Charmy | sepski: this is not PCI =( |
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| 23:48.23 | cafuego | samlander: Yes. You also don't want it, I'm 99.9% sure. |
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| 23:48.35 | cafuego | samlander: Try openbox instead. |
| 23:48.36 | sepski | Charmy, no im not sure, im just telling you what i would have tested in your situation |
| 23:48.41 | netcat | samlander: Ice is nice.... |
| 23:48.45 | sepski | Charmy, if we _knew_ we'd jsut tell you :) |
| 23:48.52 | cafuego | samlander: p[ersonally I think xfce4 is nice, but that is slightly bigger again. |
| 23:48.58 | Charmy | sepski: okay, it says the module failed to load |
| 23:49.04 | samlander | hmmmm |
| 23:49.04 | Charmy | sepski: and now it wants parameters |
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| 23:49.37 | samlander | i want something simplier then gnome or kde... really im only going to be using x for dev ide's and running vmware |
| 23:49.46 | Photar | Um, I went into sources.list and changed sarge to unstable and I can't find php5 in there. |
| 23:49.50 | netcat | samlander: ratpoison would be the extreme... |
| 23:49.52 | samlander | and managing files/ playing vids that kinda thing |
| 23:50.20 | drp | samlander, how bout blackbox |
| 23:50.20 | sepski | charmy then you can assume that the module is pci only, or start hunting for parameters, |
| 23:50.34 | tatoo_ | bolete: are u fighting w/ iptables like me? :) cuz i'm trying to do a simple nat at home but i don't know why it doesn't work... |
| 23:50.35 | samlander | lol... i think im gonna have to try a few... there are just too many wm out there |
| 23:50.39 | samlander | brb |
| 23:50.41 | Charmy | sepski: i'll try irq = 5 and io = 220.. thats what was probed before |
| 23:50.54 | sepski | Charmy, :) |
| 23:51.05 | Charmy | sepski: error whie running probe.. also got a scary red screen |
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| 23:51.20 | bolete | tatoo_: I use guarddog |
| 23:51.24 | cafuego | !basic firewall |
| 23:51.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, basic firewall is iptables -F INPUT; iptables -P INPUT DROP; iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW [-i interface] -p [tcp/udp] --dport [port] -j ACEPT (Repeat for all ports you want open) |
| 23:51.27 | samlander | also, iirc i need to add my 'user' account to the audio group to get my soundcard to work... i cant remember how to do that |
| 23:51.33 | sepski | Charmy, sounds like it's the wrong module aye |
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| 23:51.45 | Charmy | sepski: the 3c509 has to be the right one |
| 23:51.57 | Charmy | sepski: it just.. doesn't work =( well, it owrks partially.. ARp packets get sent.. just can't receive them *sigh* |
| 23:51.58 | chealer | !nvidia howto |
| 23:51.58 | dpkg | i guess nvidia-howto is See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 23:52.00 | chealer | ^^wtf, nvidia drivers are DRI?? |
| 23:52.01 | cafuego | There we do. |
| 23:52.14 | Gathond | Charmy: I am pretty sure that module worked for me using that card type |
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| 23:52.27 | Charmy | Gathond: Well, its not working Gathond.. |
| 23:52.30 | Gathond | Charmy: does the card have multiple physical ports? |
| 23:52.33 | Charmy | Gathond: and its a PCI module. |
| 23:52.39 | Charmy | Gathond: it has only one |
| 23:52.42 | cafuego | db101: See what dpkg just said (minus the typo) |
| 23:52.45 | sepski | Charmy, that may/or may not be becouse of the half duplex message you see in dmesg when you get the link |
| 23:52.55 | Gathond | Charmy: Im thinking about the 3c509 thing |
| 23:53.17 | Charmy | Gathond: yeah, 3c509 was the rihgt module i thought |
| 23:53.18 | sepski | Charmy, you know if the hub run half or full duplex ? |
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| 23:53.31 | samlander | *sigh* how do i correctly apt get x again? |
| 23:53.40 | mondalaci | Hi! Anyone knows how could I install every packages in the games section with one command? |
| 23:53.40 | cafuego | x-window-system-core |
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| 23:53.49 | michaelll | it wants to install cpan to /root/.cpan but i want be able to run perl scrips from unprivilaged users, where should i install it? |
| 23:53.49 | samlander | right |
| 23:53.53 | Charmy | sepski: i don't know, Sepski |
| 23:54.00 | netcat | samlander: man apt-get.... apt-get install icewm |
| 23:54.12 | Charmy | sepski: its a netgear websafe ROUTER.. but its not working as a router right now... just a hub. i have two NICs in my server computer. |
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| 23:54.21 | cafuego | michaelll: Don't use CPAN, use dh-make-perl |
| 23:54.34 | samlander | netcat: i couldnt remember what exact package i needed... *laugh* |
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| 23:54.42 | michaelll | im using DSL |
| 23:54.42 | samlander | netcat: i've been away from this stuff for too long |
| 23:54.49 | cafuego | michaelll: That's not relevant. |
| 23:55.03 | sepski | Charmy, a dirty test of the nic's autoneg capabilities is to cable it with crossover to another computer, and run dmesg to see what it gets |
| 23:55.12 | cafuego | michaelll: dh-make-perl turns CPAN downloads into .deb file,s so you don't fuck up the system with files the package system doesn't know about. |
| 23:55.17 | Charmy | sepski: I have no idea what 'cable it with crossover' means though.. |
| 23:55.18 | PerfDave | Jon: You may have done, but if the package versions on the net are higher than those on the CD (which they almost certainly are), then you'll get the packages from the 'net. |
| 23:55.18 | samlander | at least i still remember the basics of 'vi' so im not completely lost ;) |
| 23:55.24 | michaelll | DSL doseent have the make command |
| 23:55.29 | sepski | use a crossover cable between 2 pc's |
| 23:55.35 | netcat | samlander: apt-cache search xfree |
| 23:55.49 | cafuego | michaelll: apt-get install dh-make-perl |
| 23:55.51 | PerfDave | Jon: I do a full CD install without telling it about then net connection, then use apt-setup to add an internet source once I've got my desktop running, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 23:56.08 | cafuego | michaelll: Oh, damnsmalllinux? This is #debian. Shoo. |
| 23:56.26 | samlander | lol |
| 23:56.30 | vilemaxim | anyone know anything about german keyboards and xserver-xfree |
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| 23:57.03 | sepski | Charmy, a stright thru cable is used when you interface a nic to a hub/switch. the colours are at the same locations on both ends of the cable, a crossover cable is for interconnecting hub/switches or between 2 nic. the oraange and green pairs change place on eatch end of the cable |
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| 23:57.07 | samlander | bah... it's gonna be another nightmare getting usb support running again. *sigh* last time i had to enable every possiable module just to get the bloddy thing to work *grin* |
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| 23:57.14 | netcat | samlander: There a lots of "apt" based tools. Try this: locate apt | grep bin/ |
| 23:57.19 | Charmy | sepski: That sounds a little beyond my abillitie s=( |
| 23:57.25 | ThePiratemaster | sorry guys, the guy at #debian-boot has some mental problems i think so i'll have to ask my n00bish question here |
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| 23:57.44 | cafuego | samlander: install usbmgr and load the basic module (ohci-hcd or uhci-hcd) |
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| 23:58.07 | samlander | cafuego: i shall try that |
| 23:58.12 | tatoo_ | bolete: i'm gonna start to use... |
| 23:58.13 | frenchy198588 | hi, im a first time user of debian trying to figure out what i need to downlod, can anyone help me? I dunno whether to download alpha or intel x86 or wot?? please help?? |
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| 23:58.22 | StillDave | any suggestions on how to reformat a drive from Knoppix? |
| 23:58.32 | sepski | Charmy, dont underestiamte your capabillities it's easy, just get a crossover ethernet cable from 'your fav junk pile' and plug it between the linux and any other nic |
| 23:58.43 | tatoo_ | chealer: adduser me camera. still doesn't work. it can be detected. |
| 23:58.50 | ThePiratemaster | how do install woody, when i use the woody netinstall cd it keeps telling my my scsi harddrives aren't there, i use a scsi controller from the p3 age. i dunno the age exactly |
| 23:59.00 | Charmy | sepski: I don't have a junk pile of any kind.. let alone a 'favorite' one.. and i don't know what a crossover cable looks like. |
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| 23:59.07 | samlander | ThePiratemaster: are you using the compact kernel? |
| 23:59.19 | Charmy | I guess this is just one of those machines that is MSwindows-only.. |
| 23:59.23 | frenchy198588 | hi, im a first time user of debian trying to figure out what i need to downlod, can anyone help me? I dunno whether to download alpha or intel x86 or wot?? please help?? |
| 23:59.26 | ThePiratemaster | its a 180mb iso so i wouldnt think so |
| 23:59.28 | samlander | charmy: i x-over cable looks like a regular cable, except key wires are crossedover |
| 23:59.33 | sepski | you can look at the colors on the connectors on a cable are identicaly it's stright, are they not identical it's most likely a crossover |
| 23:59.44 | MattF | can I talk yet? |
| 23:59.45 | dondelelcaro | frenchy198588: if you don't know, odds are it's i386 that you need. |
| 23:59.46 | PerfDave | frenchy198588: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 23:59.48 | Charmy | sepski: I don't have sucha cable though.. thats the problem. i don't have spare hardware lying around. i wish i did |
| 23:59.50 | samlander | sepski: exactly! ;) |
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| 23:59.56 | StillDave | I'm completely stuck |
