| 00:00.02 | MattF | woot, I haven't had my voice stolen by demigods! |
| 00:00.08 | MattF | why did that happen before? |
| 00:00.09 | sepski | Charmy, ask a store another computer geek anyone |
| 00:00.23 | sepski | Charmy, jsut dont fall back to the darkside !!! |
| 00:00.25 | frenchy198588 | im just running a normal system on windows XP at the moment its and AMD XP2600+ ???? |
| 00:00.25 | chealer | tatoo_: you have to relogin to be in camera |
| 00:00.26 | samlander | thepiratemaster: nono... i mean when you load the install cd, did you specify 'compact' at the prompt? |
| 00:00.26 | samlander | ThePiratemaster: otherwise, it may not read your scsi adapter |
| 00:00.26 | StillDave | I can't get any distro to install, I can boot into Knoppix from CD |
| 00:00.36 | tatoo_ | chealer: ok |
| 00:00.39 | Charmy | sepski: Well, the thing is that I don't really want to spned money on this machine. I just thought Linux would be a simple thing ot put on, and that i dind' tneed all thsee advanced testing and diagnostic tools. |
| 00:00.46 | dondelelcaro | StillDave: have you used the sarge d-i installer? |
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| 00:00.56 | ThePiratemaster | no, i just pressed enter to boot |
| 00:01.05 | samlander | stilldave: knoppix is a bad word ..... http://www.debian.org |
| 00:01.06 | StillDave | Sarge locks |
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| 00:01.15 | StillDave | yes I know, Debian was my choice |
| 00:01.17 | sepski | Charmy, your just unlucky try it on a modern box |
| 00:01.23 | StillDave | but Sarge just dies |
| 00:01.26 | dondelelcaro | ThePiratemaster: #debian-boot is for the sarge installer |
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| 00:01.38 | dondelelcaro | StillDave: have you booted with noacpi yet? |
| 00:01.40 | ThePiratemaster | some one send me there |
| 00:01.47 | ThePiratemaster | so i took a look |
| 00:01.50 | Charmy | sepski: yeah. I guess Il'l try this again when I get another computer spare to play with. |
| 00:01.54 | samlander | ThePiratemaster: the default install doesnt have scsi support... try again, except type compact before hitting enter |
| 00:02.15 | ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 00:02.15 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 00:02.15 | db101 | cafuego: all that is is some NAT stuff.. |
| 00:02.15 | tatoo_ | chealer: s**...still doesn't work. |
| 00:02.15 | frenchy198588 | if im running a normal system i.e. everyday PC running on AMD XP 2600+ is the i386 the best to use????? |
| 00:02.18 | Charmy | sepski: A little frustrating that i spent all this time, and wiped the HD clean of win98 to end up accomplishing nothing. oh well, the wonderful world of PCs. =) |
| 00:02.24 | db101 | i need some security stuff not NAT and masqin |
| 00:02.27 | sepski | Charmy, any computer geek you know shold have a crossover cable, and he will give it to you for nothing |
| 00:02.28 | dondelelcaro | frenchy198588: it's the only thing you can use. |
| 00:02.37 | samlander | ThePiratemaster: no problem.. i've got 4 scsi drives in this beast and it took me a couple of times before i read what was under 'f3' lol |
| 00:02.38 | PerfDave | frenchy198588: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 00:02.42 | Charmy | sepski: yeah. now i just gotta get to know a computer geek of some kind :) |
| 00:03.07 | frenchy198588 | no i havent but im just confused cus theres so many different types? lol i presume some are for servers and things?? |
| 00:03.21 | sepski | Charmy, where are you maybe you'r neighbour is in #debian :) |
| 00:03.22 | dondelelcaro | frenchy198588: there are different architectures of computers. |
| 00:03.24 | PerfDave | frenchy198588: Read the Installation Manual, the information you need is in there. |
| 00:03.29 | bucky | i upgraded to kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 now X won't start and throw the error Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 00:03.52 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: heh. you have to know what architecture you need before you even start reading the install manual, since they are different for each architecture... ;-) |
| 00:03.56 | dondelelcaro | frenchy198588: do NOT /msg me |
| 00:04.03 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Shh, you're spoiling my cunning plan. |
| 00:04.13 | bucky | tried to comment out /dev/input/mice and just rely on /dev/psaux and it didn't help |
| 00:04.15 | samlander | bucky check your mods to ensure mouse support is there |
| 00:04.20 | Charmy | sepski: I guess its possible. |
| 00:04.27 | dondelelcaro | frenchy198588: stop /msg'ing me, please. I will not ask again. |
| 00:04.30 | bucky | samlander, psmouse is loaded |
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| 00:04.41 | samlander | odd |
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| 00:04.54 | jewdan | are there any terminals that have tabs, transparency, and a borderless option? |
| 00:05.12 | chealer | tatoo_: does "groups" command show you're in camera group? |
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| 00:05.33 | ThePiratemaster | thanx alot samlander |
| 00:05.43 | tatoo_ | chealer: yes. |
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| 00:05.46 | zvpun | hi there |
| 00:05.59 | ThePiratemaster | maybe i could write a piece on the debian community sometimes |
| 00:06.05 | bucky | samlander, may have found it in BT... something about hotplug |
| 00:06.07 | ThePiratemaster | its kinda |
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| 00:06.12 | chealer | tatoo_: is your camera supported? |
| 00:06.13 | ThePiratemaster | well |
| 00:06.17 | larkface_769 | jewdan: well, multi-gnome-terminal has tabs and I think it has borderless, but... |
| 00:06.23 | ThePiratemaster | communitive |
| 00:06.23 | ireverentReveren | does debian use a smb.conf in a different location than /etc/smb.conf? |
| 00:06.35 | PerfDave | ireverentReveren: Probably |
| 00:06.36 | frenchy198588 | thnx to dondelelcaro ur no help at all, im just wondering what architectures are because im interested and would like to install debian, so coulkd some1 whose willing explain to me what they r? thanks |
| 00:06.37 | tatoo_ | chealer: yes. |
| 00:06.38 | zvpun | it is /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 00:06.57 | ThePiratemaster | try "locate *smb.conf*" i belive it was |
| 00:07.01 | samlander | cafuego: you will never guess where i backed up all my files to migrate over to deb lol |
| 00:07.03 | bucky | samlander, says to add psmouse to /etc/modules anyway |
| 00:07.04 | ThePiratemaster | oh ok |
| 00:07.13 | chealer | tatoo_: so what happens when you select it manually? |
| 00:07.15 | ireverentReveren | Thank You |
| 00:07.17 | dondelelcaro | frenchy198588: different architectures are just different types of processors, etc. Like a train and a bus are different types of transportation, but similar. |
| 00:07.26 | larkface_769 | May I ask a question? |
| 00:07.31 | samlander | larkface_769: no |
| 00:07.32 | chealer | tatoo_: maybe you have a USB connection issue... |
| 00:07.36 | samlander | larkface_769: lol |
| 00:07.36 | svele | What command can I use to find out my computer's IP? |
| 00:07.40 | chealer | tatoo_: you're on sarge? |
| 00:07.45 | chealer | svele: ifconfig |
| 00:07.47 | frenchy198588 | rite so if im running an AMD processor what architecture is that? |
| 00:07.49 | sussudio | !tell svele about myip |
| 00:07.51 | samlander | svele: ifconfig |
| 00:07.55 | svele | chealer: thanks |
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| 00:08.00 | ThePiratemaster | ping localhost |
| 00:08.03 | Tr0gd0r | whats the fastest browser that java capable? for a p200 |
| 00:08.09 | larkface_769 | samlander: sorry |
| 00:08.10 | zvpun | if you are non-root: use /sbin/ifconfig |
| 00:08.14 | dondelelcaro | !your ip is <reply> see myip |
| 00:08.15 | JohnGH | frenchy198588: i386 |
| 00:08.15 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 00:08.19 | Gathond | frenchy198588: either x86 or AMD64 depending on the actual AMD processor |
| 00:08.19 | tatoo_ | chealer: the following message: "no cameras detected" is showed me when i click on "detect". |
| 00:08.29 | tatoo_ | chealer: no....woody. |
| 00:08.39 | ThePiratemaster | www.whatismyip.com |
| 00:08.53 | frenchy198588 | hmmm i just got 3 different answers?? i386 x86 and AMD64 |
| 00:09.05 | chealer | tatoo_: I guess it would be less surprising that you have a USB connection problem then. are you sure other USB stuff works? |
| 00:09.06 | Gathond | frenchy198588: i386 is x86 |
| 00:09.08 | dondelelcaro | frenchy198588: i386==x86. You're using x86. |
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| 00:09.12 | drp | x86 |
| 00:09.18 | ThePiratemaster | i386 is the same as i386 |
| 00:09.20 | samlander | ooooooh pretty.. blackbox is nice ;) |
| 00:09.25 | ThePiratemaster | i386 is the same as ix86 |
| 00:09.31 | samlander | does blackbox have icons/file manager ? |
| 00:09.36 | drp | samlander, told you |
| 00:09.46 | ThePiratemaster | and AMD64 is for very pc's only |
| 00:09.48 | frenchy198588 | ok thnx, um also there r 8 CDs but i guess i just need first one to install and run debian ? the others just include packages?? |
| 00:09.50 | ThePiratemaster | if u had that 'd know it |
| 00:09.58 | larkface_769 | Every now and then when I'm running gnome1.4/sawfish, sawfish reports, this error: debian-menu: no such file or directory. did I forget to install a package? |
| 00:10.03 | ThePiratemaster | *very new pc's |
| 00:10.05 | Gathond | frenchy198588: anyway the i386 is the safe bet, since that will run on both |
| 00:10.12 | tatoo_ | chealer: never user them...i changed the port and a message from sda showed me up...let me see |
| 00:10.20 | dondelelcaro | frenchy198588: read the install manual. Your questions are answered there. |
| 00:10.28 | ThePiratemaster | unless ur on an apple or an xbax |
| 00:10.28 | ThePiratemaster | yes |
| 00:10.33 | frenchy198588 | ok thanx ill go try it |
| 00:10.34 | frenchy198588 | :) |
| 00:10.40 | samlander | drp: thus far tho... only have a workspace... am i gonna want a x filemanager to plug in ? |
| 00:10.45 | ThePiratemaster | :) |
| 00:10.50 | frenchy198588 | sorry for the bother :p |
| 00:10.58 | ThePiratemaster | YAT, i helped in the debian channal :) |
| 00:11.04 | chealer | frenchy198588: you can use kernel-image-*-k7 for your kernel though |
| 00:11.17 | drp | yeah |
| 00:11.29 | samlander | i've installed debian on an xbox... |
| 00:11.32 | chealer | !nickometer frenchy198588 |
| 00:11.32 | dpkg | 'frenchy198588' is 59.000% lame, chealer |
| 00:11.34 | samlander | that was an interesting experiment |
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| 00:11.40 | drp | samlander, yeah blackbox doesn't have any built in x file managers to my knowledge |
| 00:11.41 | ThePiratemaster | xebian u mean? |
| 00:11.52 | samlander | same shit different pile ;) |
| 00:11.55 | drp | samlander, just a wm not a de |
| 00:11.56 | samlander | was still pretty cool |
| 00:11.57 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: No, helping would have been encouraging him to read the goddamn installation manual ;) |
| 00:12.02 | samlander | drp: kk |
| 00:12.23 | ThePiratemaster | so i help if i dont help him |
| 00:12.43 | tatoo_ | chealer: by the way...the camera has a "USB Connect" message on its display. i changed the permissio for 0666 to /dev/sda. |
| 00:12.47 | ThePiratemaster | man, i've been helping ALOT of ppl today |
| 00:12.48 | tatoo_ | chealer: any clue? |
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| 00:12.51 | samlander | drp: methinks i need to install xterm too |
| 00:12.53 | ThePiratemaster | i should get an award |
| 00:13.03 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: Telling people how to find the answers they need is helping. Giving them the answers is spoonfeeding, and just means that they can't fix things for themselves. |
| 00:13.04 | ThePiratemaster | well, ttyl all |
| 00:13.21 | paulswm | ThePiratemaster: bye |
| 00:13.29 | chealer | tatoo_: no, I never used woody. BTW, if you're using your PC as a desktop and aren't paranoid about security, I'd advise you to upgrade to testing/sarge |
| 00:13.38 | db101 | doesn anoyne use iptables? |
| 00:13.42 | ThePiratemaster | ...and so a serverwork was switched to debian and lived happily ever after :P |
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| 00:14.12 | ThePiratemaster | and i wish i could type |
| 00:14.14 | ThePiratemaster | bye |
| 00:14.28 | PerfDave | Tata ThePiratemaster :) |
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| 00:14.55 | ebone_ | Hello ! |
| 00:14.56 | tatoo_ | chealer: sorry man....take a look at my kernel (i compiled last week)... |
| 00:15.03 | nvz | ebone_: hello |
| 00:15.11 | ebone_ | Anyone running mod_mono ? |
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| 00:15.18 | ebone_ | mod_mono on apache2 ? |
| 00:15.26 | ebone_ | I'm having difficulties. |
| 00:15.30 | nvz | ebone_: do you have a debian-related question? |
| 00:15.39 | ThePiratemaster_ | did u clean ur source tree before building? |
| 00:15.40 | nvz | ebone_: you just ask around here. |
| 00:15.49 | ebone_ | yeah ... i'm trying to get mod_mono running on debian. :) |
| 00:15.56 | ebone_ | with apache2. |
| 00:15.56 | paulswm | Sorry OT a bit, but I am looking in the US for a radio controlled clock (WWVB) with a serial interface which doesn't cost an arm and a leg, any pointers would be appreciated |
| 00:16.01 | Paganist | humm, crap, i forgot an english word... cheap != ? ? |
| 00:16.13 | Paganist | something that costs lots |
| 00:16.15 | nvz | Paganist: expensive |
| 00:16.20 | samlander | ooowers... i like blackbox |
| 00:16.22 | Paganist | thanks |
| 00:16.24 | chealer | tatoo_: sorry, "take a look at my kernel"? |
| 00:16.25 | Paganist | :) |
| 00:17.00 | tatoo_ | chealer: 2.6.7-1-k7 |
| 00:17.17 | nvz | Paganist: costly, expensive, high-priced, uneconomical.. |
| 00:17.23 | samlander | brb |
| 00:17.26 | paulswm | crap. I wanna stratus 1 time server |
| 00:17.40 | PerfDave | Lo_Meinix: Why are you compiling mplayer? |
| 00:17.51 | PerfDave | Lo_Meinix: And are you compiling it into /usr/local or some other safe place? |
| 00:17.56 | tatoo_ | chealer: please, don't go away....i must eat something.. |
| 00:17.57 | tatoo_ | br |
| 00:17.58 | tatoo_ | brb |
| 00:18.01 | nvz | yeah well I want a timezone changer that isnt a /usr/games/geography-quiz |
| 00:18.12 | Lo_Meinix | PerfDave: /usr/local/src |
| 00:18.16 | nvz | but outside the debian Installer I never seen one |
| 00:18.25 | caphuso | nvz: tzconfig? |
| 00:18.27 | PerfDave | Lo_Meinix: You're compiling something into /usr/local/src? *boggle* |
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| 00:18.34 | samlander | so much better ;) |
| 00:18.50 | Lo_Meinix | PerfDave: ummm/usr/src |
| 00:18.57 | Lo_Meinix | thats better, I think |
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| 00:19.16 | Lo_Meinix | PerfDave: well, I couldn't find a deb package for woody |
| 00:19.27 | Lo_Meinix | PerfDave: so I figured I'd compile it and not worry about it. |
| 00:19.31 | nvz | caphuso: I set my tz to EST by accident during install, I run tzconfig and choose America, and it lists like 50+ cities. I am in lake dallas, Denton to the north, Lewisville to the south.. other major cities like Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, Oklahoma City..etc none are listed |
| 00:19.40 | Lo_Meinix | did I do a nono? |
| 00:19.43 | nvz | caphuso: tzconfig is like a damn /usr/games/geography-quiz |
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| 00:19.57 | paulswm | !beat people who make WWVB clocks without an interface |
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| 00:21.02 | nvz | caphuso: most OS's show the timezone names or the GMT -5:00 crap so you know whats what |
| 00:21.25 | nvz | caphuso: tzconfig expects you to be a geography professor or a travel agent or something |
| 00:21.33 | caphuso | nvz: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Timezones.png |
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| 00:22.21 | paulswm | nvz: I hate to say it but XP shows a purty lil map, not that a map is a lot of help to some |
| 00:22.47 | caphuso | "do i live in austria or australia?" style |
| 00:23.26 | zvpun | so why dont you go ahead and install XP if you cant figure out what timezone you are in? |
| 00:23.28 | paulswm | Its worse in the US because there's EST/EDT and then there's Southern Indiana |
| 00:23.43 | caphuso | you'd really think that people knew which timezone they live in... |
| 00:23.45 | nvz | paulswm: at least in the debian installer it asks you your country then has the actual timezone names |
| 00:24.01 | sigma957 | I use rox-filer and I did a unstable upgrade today and now the icons don't show properly. anyelse have this problem? |
| 00:24.13 | nvz | paulswm: tzconfig just lists in a long comma separated list a bunch of cities I never heard of |
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| 00:25.05 | Agrajag- | 'apt-cache search ftpd' brings up a fair few results - i'm after an ftpd which can limit upload speeds (and obviously secure), anyone any ideas? |
| 00:25.15 | sigma957 | pureftpd |
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| 00:25.33 | Agrajag- | ta, i'll give that a go |
| 00:25.39 | nvz | caphuso: that illistration makes me think someone is jerrymandering the timezones.. those lines arent the least bit straight :P |
| 00:25.51 | netcat | nvz: Use Chicago; it is Central time just like Dallas/Ft. Worthless etc.... |
| 00:25.54 | paulswm | mvz yes, I came in halfway though the conversation and failed completely to introduce humor, viz. some people couldn't find themselves on a map, I agree about tzconfig and I think I'll prolly stfu now |
| 00:25.54 | nvz | I cant read any of the text on it, its too damn small |
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| 00:26.13 | paulswm | nvz that is, not mvz |
| 00:26.25 | nvz | netcat: heh we have a town called Euless, so you could say Useless and Ft Worthless |
| 00:27.00 | caphuso | nvz: can you determine in which of the colored "bars" you're in? |
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| 00:27.33 | nvz | caphuso: I already know I am in the CST central time which is like GMT -6:00 I just dont know how to tell /usr/games/geography-quiz that. |
| 00:27.41 | PerfDave | Lo_Meinix: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
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| 00:27.51 | PerfDave | Lo_Meinix: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 00:28.52 | paulswm | nvz: Here we have a town named Punta Gorda which was hit hard by last year's hurricanes and a friend was talking about it to her sister in the Dominican Republic, the sister thought she said "Punta Gorda" and was surprised that there was a town in Florida named "Fat Whore" |
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| 00:29.18 | paulswm | got that wrong she thought she said "PUTA Gorda" |
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| 00:29.32 | caphuso | nvz: America/Mexico_city would work, unless you gringos have different daylight saving habits |
| 00:29.33 | nvz | paulswm: yeah. |
| 00:30.02 | nvz | caphuso: I have no idea I just know I finally installed ntpdate and my time is still wrong cause my tz is wrong |
| 00:30.15 | grubby | nvz: in tzconfig choose 3) US Time Zones, then central - that's it |
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| 00:31.21 | caphuso | Lo_Meinix: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 00:31.23 | nvz | grubby: well thats what I was looking for, I guess I saw america frst |
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| 00:31.32 | prad | hi quick question, when KDE locks up, how can you kill it or log the user off ? |
| 00:31.47 | stu8 | prad...try logout yet ? |
| 00:31.56 | zvpun | ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 00:32.05 | nvz | prad: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 00:32.12 | stu8 | note: "logout" isnt reboot |
| 00:32.16 | prad | stu8 that's what I want to do.. |
| 00:32.26 | stu8 | prad... then try the command: logout |
| 00:32.29 | invsblduck | does anyone else find it extremely difficult to read the yellow font in ncurses applications when running under an xterm? |
| 00:32.43 | grubby | nvz - yep, I figured that... i've been there myself |
| 00:32.46 | nvz | stu8: did you miss the part about "when KDE locks up"? |
| 00:32.49 | prad | excellent it worked, ta |
| 00:32.50 | caphuso | invsblduck: no, but i've changed xterm's colors long time ago :) |
| 00:33.06 | stu8 | nvz...right...some lockups dont allow this, but many do |
| 00:33.14 | paulswm | invsblduck: change the xterm colors |
| 00:33.28 | stu8 | prad...thatll be $10 pleez :) |
| 00:33.39 | invsblduck | caphuso: take `make menuconfig` for example; yellow on white/beige is horrible |
| 00:33.39 | prad | hahah ;p |
| 00:33.41 | nvz | if X locks up you just kill it, and thats what the ctrl alt backspace command is for |
| 00:33.58 | stu8 | nvz... that will kill the X session ?? |
| 00:34.01 | invsblduck | paulswm: that will manifest itself into ncurses apps ... |
| 00:34.06 | prad | stu8 I tried the ctrl-alt backspace... I should be paying nvz |
| 00:34.14 | stu8 | prad...oh :) |
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| 00:34.51 | prad | ;p |
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| 00:35.13 | Jeyrad | i cant get the gui to work on debian :( |
| 00:35.30 | prad | one other thing, X keeps complaining about not being able to use sound (/dev/dsp) however noautils works, how can this be ? |
| 00:35.38 | caphuso | invsblduck: http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/sshot.png |
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| 00:35.57 | stu8 | Jeyrad... do you have X going.. or is that whats wrong ? |
| 00:35.59 | caphuso | probably _very_ slow to load |
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| 00:36.12 | Jeyrad | i type startx |
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| 00:36.23 | Jon | ok I've just done a d-i install and I reboot and I get kernel panic: '/sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: no such file' |
| 00:36.29 | nvz | prad: gnome and kde use sound daemons now, so you have to be a little more specific about whats going on |
| 00:36.31 | Jeyrad | then it just blinks black, but 2 seconds later goes back to the root terminal saying error |
| 00:36.50 | invsblduck | caphuso: you dog! give me the line in your ~/.Xresources that makes the background that color :^) |
| 00:36.51 | stu8 | Jeyrad... ok you havent got an X yet |
| 00:37.02 | Jon | I tried looking at my / partition and /sbin/init appears to be a binary. I thought maybe there's a typo in the init script, missing the / prefix. do I need to mount the initrd? am I barking up the wrong tree/ |
| 00:37.06 | Jeyrad | yeah i have xserver installed |
| 00:37.11 | Jeyrad | and kde |
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| 00:37.24 | caphuso | invsblduck: http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/Xresources |
| 00:37.30 | stu8 | Jeyrad... it shows as installed, but the X isnt configured yet |
| 00:37.30 | invsblduck | sweeet ;) |
| 00:37.48 | Jeyrad | yeah, when i try to configure it it says, Permission Denied |
| 00:38.02 | Jon | this happens with 'recovery mode' boot too |
| 00:38.17 | Gathond | Jeyrad: are you root? |
| 00:38.19 | Jeyrad | yes |
| 00:38.26 | stu8 | does anybody here know a utility for setting up Xwindows ?? |
| 00:38.27 | prad | nvz : it sez that permission is denied to /dev/dsp so it will start using null for sound. I can't remember the exact message. Even with that message, noautils works with sound |
| 00:38.53 | zvpun | stu8: did you try the Knoppix CD? |
| 00:39.13 | invsblduck | caphuso: that is a beautiful thing |
| 00:39.22 | nvz | prad: I dont know what noautils is and you are being too vague about "in X" like I said gnome and kde use sound daemons, and if you use alsa you dont even use /dev/dsp so you need to be more specific about things that relate to your sound setup |
| 00:39.37 | stu8 | zvpun... ummm... I have one... but does it have something which can write a useable debian XF86config file ? |
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| 00:40.18 | jazzmans | stu8, yes it does write a usable XF86Config-4 file, you just copy it to your /etc/X11 directory. |
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| 00:40.30 | jazzmans | that's my cheat to get X working on my debian systems. |
| 00:40.46 | zvpun | yes, Knoppix usually greats a very good working XF86Config file for me |
| 00:40.48 | nvz | prad: there is a gnome filemanager called nautilus and a kde media player called noatun, I dont know what noautils is |
| 00:41.13 | zvpun | just boot it and copy the automatically created config-file |
| 00:41.13 | stu8 | jazzmans... really... my problem is, I need to probe for the card and so forth... I just dont know what to write in when xf86config runs |
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| 00:41.23 | zvpun | of course you will backup your old one |
| 00:41.45 | EfaistOs | does someone have an ipod shuffle working under debian ? |
| 00:41.50 | gusto | :) |
| 00:41.51 | stu8 | zvpun... ok... clue as to where knoppix would put its xconfig ? |
| 00:42.05 | stu8 | or... how to copy it |
| 00:42.12 | zvpun | stu8: you can also use lspci to get an idea about your graphics card |
| 00:42.16 | zvpun | yes |
| 00:42.20 | jazzmanss | stu8, boot knoppix, then copy the XF86Config-4 file to your normal /etc/X11 folder, and it will write everything. |
| 00:42.22 | Jeyrad | do you think my drivers are too up to date for debian r2? i have nvidia somthing |
| 00:42.27 | zvpun | knoppix puts it in /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 00:42.33 | jazzmanss | but, that's cheating, I know. |
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| 00:42.39 | stu8 | oh... very cool... thank you zvpun |
| 00:42.50 | zvpun | np |
| 00:43.04 | zvpun | have a nice day and help some old person on the street! |
| 00:43.08 | zvpun | for a better world |
| 00:43.14 | zvpun | or study some mathematics |
| 00:43.18 | azreal | jazzmans: what wrong with getting X to work the right way? |
| 00:43.38 | Jeyrad | Oooh |
| 00:43.42 | caphuso | there is no "right way" |
| 00:43.48 | Orcrist | nothing wrong with any kind of 'cheating' |
| 00:44.02 | Orcrist | in fact, you're more clever for doing it that way than slogging through a manual x-config and coming to the same end |
| 00:44.10 | jazzmans | azreal; I've just had no luck using the normal configuration utility for X. it always fails for me. |
| 00:44.23 | Jeyrad | thats it, debian r2 doesnt support nvidia GeForce4 mx |
| 00:44.24 | prad | nvz : I've got the message, it is when KDE goes through initialising : "Error while initialising sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied) The sound server will continue, using the null output device.", sorry it wasn't noautils its noatun(media player) |
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| 00:44.41 | Jeyrad | am i correct? |
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| 00:44.46 | Lo_Meinix | prad - I just went through this. |
| 00:44.52 | websdale | Jeyrad: to get hardware acceleration you'll probably need to install the nvidia drivers packages |
| 00:44.55 | Orcrist | I copy the crap out of others' working configs/code... doesn't mean I'm not smart enough to do them manually... just means I don't want to waste the time if its not necessary... not everything in linux need be odne by hand for the sake of 'leetness' |
| 00:44.56 | Lo_Meinix | prad: add yourself to the audio group |
| 00:44.57 | azreal | seems silly to use a knoppix config file for a debian install, its not like knoppix has done anything magical that you cant do yourself with regular "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 00:45.00 | nvz | prad: well what gives you this error message? |
| 00:45.02 | jazzmans | Gforce4 mx is really a Gforce2, so yes, it should work. |
| 00:45.03 | stu8 | eyrad...it may be available as an update ? |
| 00:45.15 | caphuso | Weems: stop that. right now |
| 00:45.22 | zvpun | why should it be silly to be smart? |
| 00:45.24 | caphuso | Weems: there will be no further warnings |
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| 00:45.27 | prad | crap I missed it Lo_Meinix |
| 00:45.28 | Orcrist | jazzmans... GForce4 mx series have framebuffer problems |
| 00:45.32 | Jeyrad | im d/ling r4 right now |
| 00:45.34 | Lo_Meinix | prad: and if that doesn't work then your sound drivers are borked or not loaded so try lsmod and have a looksee will ya |
| 00:45.36 | nvz | prad: and again ALSA sound drivers do not use /dev/dsp .. if you are using alsa its understandable it doesnt work |
| 00:45.37 | Jeyrad | so im not to worried about it |
| 00:45.42 | Orcrist | so don't expect a set of alt-f1-f6 tty consoles... you may not get them |
| 00:45.45 | jazzmans | azreal; I've worked and worked with the dpkg-reconfigure-Xfree86, and have never gotten it to work. It's probably me, but it's never worked. |
| 00:45.50 | zvpun | yes knoppix has done something magical called autodetect which is not done by dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:46.10 | Lo_Meinix | prad: I gave up on alsa after 4 days of working with it....took me 2 minutes to get OSS working. |
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| 00:46.16 | tatoo_ | chealer: i'm back |
| 00:46.29 | tatoo_ | chealer: let me see where we stopped... |
| 00:46.33 | prad | hmmm ... interesting... |
| 00:46.37 | zvpun | Lo_meinix but alsa is more advanced than OSS and wont be in the next kernel |
| 00:46.37 | Bangers | is there a apt-get package for apache2/php/mysql? |
| 00:46.38 | jazzmans | autodetect doesn't work on all architectures yet. |
| 00:46.38 | Lo_Meinix | prad: so if you're ytryin to use alsa consider something easier if you don't *need* alsa |
| 00:46.39 | nvz | Lo_Meinix: he says it works with noatun, he has yet to say what gives the error or if he uses OSS or ALSA |
| 00:46.42 | azreal | jazzmans: i find that to be pretty far-fetched, have you considered compareing the two files to see why you CANT get it to work yourself? |
| 00:46.51 | Bangers | or a mini howto for debian? Do i just install apache2 first, then php, then mysql? and configure myself |
| 00:46.56 | prad | I'll have a look... thanx nvz and Lo_Meinix |
| 00:47.05 | tatoo_ | chealer: did u see my kernel version? |
| 00:47.06 | zvpun | stud8: because we are not windows. SCNR infact I wonder too |
| 00:47.06 | chealer | tatoo_: I told you I don't know how USB stuff works in woody anyway. and I'm a newbie even in sarge |
| 00:47.06 | jazzmans | azreal; yep, and I still can't choose the 'correct' options to make X work. |
| 00:47.15 | chealer | tatoo_: no |
| 00:47.30 | Orcrist | bangers, synaptic is much more user-friendly in terms of searchign and seeing what's a meta-package, etc |
| 00:47.33 | tatoo_ | chealer: there it is... |
| 00:47.38 | azreal | jazzmans: there is NO differennce in the options or settings. |
| 00:47.40 | stu8 | autodetect <== something only lamers need ? :) |
| 00:47.42 | Orcrist | then if you really want you can apt-get the packages from teh cmnd line |
| 00:47.46 | ireverentReveren | how do i get samba to report the amount free on each drive? i have 2 drives mounted on /shares/x and /shares/y and mapping /shares to a drive letter on XP only gets the space on / reported, not the space in the 2 drives. and if i mount /shares/x into xp, it STILL only reports the space on / |
| 00:47.47 | tatoo_ | chealer: i'm a newbie too... :) |
| 00:47.55 | Agrajag- | what is the proper way to add command line options for pure-ftpd? i can't find the docs on how to do this sensibly |
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| 00:48.13 | azreal | jazzmans: only the structure or layout of the file |
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| 00:48.32 | Jeyrad | so to get GUI working i need to type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
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| 00:48.44 | Lo_Meinix | nvz: then perhaps for prad X isn't using the right sound server? *shrugs* I dunno. I just needed sound and OSS fit the bill a hell of a lot easier. |
| 00:49.01 | nvz | Bangers: yeah those would be the apache2, php, and mysql packages unsurprisingly |
| 00:49.02 | jazzmans | (shrugs) it never works for me, and I try. ymmv. I find using a cheat of a knoppix disk is much faster and less effort. |
| 00:49.03 | azreal | Jeyrad: to get X setup you type that |
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| 00:49.37 | chealer | tatoo_: there it is where? |
| 00:50.13 | nvz | Lo_Meinix: I agree. but I was trying to get him to explain the issue enough to give a solution. he never mentioned where the error came from or what drivers he used, only that it works in noatun and something else doesnt |
| 00:50.28 | jazzmans | fwiw everything else in the new sarge installer is excellent. I have no other issues with it. |
| 00:50.29 | Orcrist | jazzmans, exactly what problem are you having with X? |
| 00:50.51 | jazzmans | I'm not having any problem I was just suggesting a quick fix for one who hadn't gotten X working. |
| 00:51.05 | Orcrist | oh... who hadn't gotten it working? I thought that was you |
| 00:51.22 | nvz | Lo_Meinix: I use OSS, I dont know crap about alsa. my thoughts are the same as yours, OSS just works. |
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| 00:51.29 | Orcrist | oh wait, that was stu8 |
| 00:51.36 | jazzmans | stu8 is having problems with X |
| 00:51.38 | Orcrist | n/m... lost track of who/what |
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| 00:51.58 | PerfDave | ALSA Just Works for me, better than OSS did - I can mix sounds in hardware now ;) |
| 00:52.08 | si|vercat | can someone point me to a guide on having a background image in the consoles? |
| 00:52.11 | invsblduck | caphuso: interesting--no effect on ncurses colors... |
| 00:52.28 | tatoo_ | chealer: u mean if i'm running this kernel? if so, yes. |
| 00:52.29 | caphuso | invsblduck: you xrdb -merge'd it and started a new xterm? |
| 00:52.38 | Lo_Meinix | PerfDave: my last linux system, that I'm attempting to duplicate with this new build, ALSA worked very easily for me. But this one....I dunno man....It's just borked |
| 00:52.53 | invsblduck | caphuso: ya a couple times.. as i added in vt100 stuff |
| 00:52.57 | stu8 | OR / jazz...Im all set now thanks |
| 00:53.14 | invsblduck | caphuso: the #define's really confused the hell out of vim syntax hilighting :> |
| 00:53.41 | Orcrist | lol Lo_Meinix |
| 00:53.42 | Lo_Meinix | and just as difficult too. |
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| 00:53.59 | stu8 | Lo_Meinix... yes... we must be artists, not only haqxors :) |
| 00:54.00 | chealer | tatoo_: I don't know what kernel you're talking about |
| 00:54.01 | caphuso | invsblduck: hehe |
| 00:54.24 | caphuso | invsblduck: and you added what in? |
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| 00:54.50 | Lo_Meinix | PerfDave: speaking of mixing....you should crank up winamp or it's linux counterpart and listen to Slay radio....C64 remixes ;) |
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| 00:55.20 | invsblduck | caphuso: just #define's and all XTerm ... i'm about to do Rxvt ... |
| 00:55.27 | Lo_Meinix | it's surprisingly groovy |
| 00:56.00 | Jon | grr, d-i |
| 00:56.00 | slocate | nybod remembers the command to reload .Xresources? |
| 00:56.10 | caphuso | slocate: xrdb -merge < ~/.Xresources |
| 00:56.12 | stu8 | Lo... thats online radio ? |
| 00:56.18 | Jon | d-i has no vi, fdisk, /dev entries for scsi devices, mutter mutter |
| 00:56.29 | Lo_Meinix | stu8: yeah.....winamp's internet radio |
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| 00:57.03 | Lo_Meinix | I had a c64.....but I don't remember any of this music...of course it is "remixed" |
| 00:57.08 | websdale | t |
| 00:57.09 | websdale | <PerfDave> ALSA Just Works for me, better than OSS did - I can mix sounds in hardware now ;) |
| 00:57.09 | websdale | t |
| 00:57.09 | websdale | <PerfDave> ALSA Just Works for me, better than OSS did - I can mix sounds in hardware now ;) |
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| 00:57.18 | stu8 | oh I know what I wanted to ask... where do you get update CDs for Woody... such as, that would include new gimp or Inkscape, etc ? |
| 00:57.33 | invsblduck | caphuso: not sure what makes the background that nice gray you have in your sshot |
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| 00:57.54 | valdyn_ | stu8: /msg dpkg stable |
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| 00:58.17 | PeQua | Hello |
| 00:58.18 | Lo_Meinix | Ok, enough talk....back to the grind sorting this mplayer compile issue. |
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| 00:58.32 | MichaelSaunders | hwo can I make linux detect a usb printer |
| 00:59.01 | tatoo_ | chealer: sarge |
| 00:59.08 | PeQua | i'm trying to install debian, but i can't find my sata drive :( how can I install Debian on my SATA drive? |
| 00:59.41 | zvpun | michael: install hotplug |
| 00:59.47 | zvpun | michael: install cups |
| 00:59.49 | nvz | PeQua: if you cannot find your SATA drive, I don't think you have to worry about how to install debian on it. You might as well keep looking for it |
| 01:00.05 | zvpun | michael: are you running woddy? |
| 01:00.06 | nvz | file a police report maybe |
| 01:00.07 | caphuso | invsblduck: me neither :) i did it all by trial and error |
| 01:00.52 | PeQua | nvz: are you saying it is not possible? |
| 01:00.56 | abrotman | !tell PeQua about d-i |
| 01:01.13 | abrotman | !tell PeQua about sarcasm |
| 01:01.15 | nvz | PeQua: of course not, you can't install an OS on a drive if you have no idea where its at |
| 01:01.32 | chealer | tatoo_: you said you were running woody earlier. sarge or woody? |
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| 01:02.08 | Orcrist | PeQua, does your BIOS perhaps have an IDE emulation option for your SATA controller? |
| 01:02.50 | samlander | what is the command to run the module manager? |
| 01:03.00 | caphuso | modconf |
| 01:03.18 | samlander | thankyou |
| 01:03.22 | PeQua | Orcrist: i didn't noticed it, but i'm going to check if it is there |
| 01:03.25 | PeQua | be right back |
| 01:03.26 | abrotman | !tell PeQua about d-i |
| 01:03.37 | kibab_ | Hello. I'm trying to install debian from knoppix. I just edited sources.list to add a ref to backports, but it's not picking them up, am I missing a step somewhere? |
| 01:03.38 | samlander | under what subcat would ohci-hcd be under? |
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| 01:03.48 | abrotman | !tell kibab_ about d-i |
| 01:03.57 | PeQua | abrotman: d-i is a solution to my problem? |
| 01:04.00 | abrotman | samlander: usb |
| 01:04.08 | abrotman | PeQua: well .. are you trying to install woody on sata ? |
| 01:04.14 | zvpun | samlander: why dont you modprobe and add it to /etc/modules? |
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| 01:04.32 | azreal | PeQua: yes |
| 01:04.34 | sussudio | in soviet russia, modules probe you |
| 01:04.36 | nvz | kibab_: yeah you missed the step of downloading and burning a debian cd like D-I instead of knoppix |
| 01:04.39 | NewpZ | hi whats the command to list all the files in a .deb? |
| 01:04.42 | Orcrist | I think the question is: What version of debian are you trying to install PeQua? |
| 01:04.58 | nvz | NewpZ: installed package? |
| 01:05.03 | azreal | PeQua: d-i supports sata |
| 01:05.27 | PeQua | http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/debian-cd/images/current/i386/ thisones i'm trying to install |
| 01:05.28 | kibab_ | nvz: little late now :(, .... how difficult will it be to get it working? I'm very good with Linux, just never played with Debian before. |
| 01:05.28 | PeQua | ic |
| 01:05.33 | samlander | abrotman, zvpun : I do not have usb as a subcat in modconf and both modprobe ohci-hcd and uhci-hcd give a 'cant locate' msg |
| 01:05.37 | quittt | why Sarge not Sid? |
| 01:05.38 | zvpun | newpz use midnight commander may help |
| 01:05.43 | abrotman | PeQua: that will never work with sata |
| 01:05.44 | NewpZ | nvz: uhh either way is cool... i installed a kde theme with a .deb and im trying to figure out how to use it with kdes theme manager :) |
| 01:05.52 | PeQua | abrotman: ic, i didn't know that |
| 01:05.54 | Orcrist | PeQua, that's the 'woody' release of debian |
| 01:06.02 | nvz | kibab_: knoppix is not debian, you need to goto #knoppix and talk about it then maybe try a debtakeover or something |
| 01:06.05 | azreal | PeQua: you have to install from the testing dist |
| 01:06.05 | abrotman | !ic |
| 01:06.06 | dpkg | i guess ic is (AKA) 'slurpy' or a conspiracy by the Indo-American community to take over your neighborhood via inexpensive groceries and snacks, or Integrated Circuit or "I see" for MORONS who are too lazy to type properly (I C) |
| 01:06.15 | nvz | NewpZ: if the package is installed you do dpkg -L package |
| 01:06.31 | Orcrist | the installer is not very sata-friendly... what you're after is the 'sarge' release... which is very stable despite being a testing distribution, becasue it's going to be a 'stable' release very very soon |
| 01:06.35 | abrotman | kibab_: you cannot get to debian from knoppix .. it's just not possible |
| 01:06.38 | PeQua | ic |
| 01:06.42 | abrotman | !ic |
| 01:06.42 | dpkg | ic is, like, (AKA) 'slurpy' or a conspiracy by the Indo-American community to take over your neighborhood via inexpensive groceries and snacks, or Integrated Circuit or "I see" for MORONS who are too lazy to type properly (I C) |
| 01:06.45 | PeQua | ok, then we are going to do that :-) |
| 01:06.51 | samlander | im thinking my usb subsystem isnt installed |
| 01:06.56 | PeQua | tnx for your help both |
| 01:06.58 | tatoo_ | chealer: yes, i said. and i said sorry for giving you the wrong information. i'm running sarge. |
| 01:07.00 | samlander | although i have installed usbmgr |
| 01:07.01 | kibab_ | nvz: understood.... I thought that debootstrap was intended as that route... |
| 01:07.10 | kibab_ | abrotman: not possible doesn't sound good :(.... |
| 01:07.14 | cafuego | samlander: Did you start usbmgr? |
| 01:07.15 | abrotman | samdret: or maybe uhci isn't for you |
| 01:07.24 | sgeigerbot | Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 01:07.27 | zvpun | samlander: is there something usb related in lspci? |
| 01:07.29 | samlander | cafuego: ah... no. what be that command? |
| 01:07.38 | samlander | zvpun: let me check |
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| 01:08.05 | samlander | yes my usb controller is in lspci |
| 01:08.06 | cafuego | samlander: /etc/init.d/usbmgr start |
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| 01:08.10 | samlander | ty cafuego |
| 01:08.17 | PeQua | I have an AMD64, should i take the i386 for it, or is there something better? |
| 01:08.38 | cafuego | PeQua: There is a non-official AMD64 port, which will become official once Sarge is released. |
| 01:08.40 | samlander | cafuego: and now to modeprobe ohci-hcd? |
| 01:08.44 | azreal | kibab_: you can use the knoppix cd to do debootstrap, but saying you are installing debian from the knoppix cd does not imply the same thing. |
| 01:08.44 | nvz | PeQua: didn't you ask that like a few hours ago and get answered? |
| 01:08.48 | zvpun | samlander is it usb 2 or usb 1 |
| 01:08.51 | cafuego | samlander: If you're on a 2.6 kernel, yes. |
| 01:09.10 | samlander | ah-ha.... im still using 2.4... methinks i need to upgrade... |
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| 01:09.14 | samlander | bbiab |
| 01:09.17 | cafuego | samlander: No! |
| 01:09.23 | samlander | k |
| 01:09.31 | chealer | tatoo_: great, I didn't realize you said you were sorry...sorry for missing your kernel version too. |
| 01:09.34 | cafuego | samlander: if you're on a 2.4 kernel, the module has a different name. |
| 01:09.35 | samlander | i was just going to apt get the latest 2.6 from apt |
| 01:09.35 | abrotman | PeQua: you can use the regular stuff .. or talk to #debian-amd64 |
| 01:09.49 | samlander | also, i was gonna upgrade the kernel to 2.6 anyways... |
| 01:09.50 | PeQua | yes nvz i know :-) but its a small question, and the person that respond a few houres ago could be wrong ;) |
| 01:09.51 | zvpun | samlander you dont have to use 2.6 |
| 01:09.52 | Flimzy | nvz: Perhaps somebody has written a better version of Linux for amd64 in the last couple hours :P |
| 01:09.54 | PeQua | ok abrotman |
| 01:09.54 | samlander | have to as a matter of fact |
| 01:09.54 | chealer | tatoo_: how come you compiled 2.6.7 last week and not 2.6.8? |
| 01:09.55 | cafuego | PeQua: I run Ubuntu AMD64, seems nice. |
| 01:10.09 | samlander | i have a smp system. the current kernel im using doesnt support smp |
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| 01:10.17 | cafuego | samlander: Ok. |
| 01:10.23 | tarzeau | Phated: strange, someone else is reporting "it's not booting" too now :( |
| 01:10.25 | kibab_ | azreal: ok.... I guess I'm using the right terminology then.... I have ran debootstrap and base-config. Trying to figure out how to add in kernel from backports. Apt-get says "Couldn't stat source package list http://www.backports.org woody/stable Packages(/var/lib...) |
| 01:10.29 | samlander | bbiab |
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| 01:10.44 | samlander | i wonder if i can do the kernel upgrade while x is running? |
| 01:10.45 | MichaelSaunders | jhub.c: USB new device connect on bus4/2, assigned device number 2 |
| 01:10.46 | MichaelSaunders | usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x4b8/0x802) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 01:10.46 | MichaelSaunders | usb.c: registered new driver usblp |
| 01:10.53 | MichaelSaunders | How would I setup the printer |
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| 01:11.02 | tarzeau | Phated: what bios do you have? |
| 01:11.24 | azreal | !tell kibab_ about sources.list |
| 01:11.25 | samlander | shouldnt hurt to try |
| 01:11.36 | Lo_Meinix | Ok, how does one copy and paste to Konsole? |
| 01:11.47 | samlander | besides which i need to make a change somewhere to make the new kernel work... i just cant remember quite.... *sigh* |
| 01:11.55 | NewpZ | i found a theme.desktop file for it in /usr/share/apps/kwin/ but the theme manager in kde doesnt open .desktop files how do i use the use theme? heh its cool and i want it :) |
| 01:12.00 | zvpun | michaelsaunders: you would add a new printer within cups |
| 01:12.01 | kibab_ | the line I added to attempt to get kernel from backports was "deb http://www.backports.org/debian woody kernel-image-2.4.26-i386" and a couple of variations, none of which worked |
| 01:12.06 | chealer | Lo_Meinix: Ctrl-C, Shift+Insert |
| 01:12.10 | mclamb | does anyone know how to change the boot loader from lilo to window xp booting? |
| 01:12.15 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: Knosole is evil, so I don't use it... But I'm sure the same way you do in pretty well any other program. |
| 01:12.28 | mclamb | i want to format the linux drive but still need to get on windows |
| 01:12.38 | Flimzy | chealer: Ctrl-C doesn't send a SIGTERM to the running application? |
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| 01:12.44 | p88 | how can I resume a suspended make? |
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| 01:12.57 | Flimzy | p88: how did you suspend it? |
| 01:13.02 | Lo_Meinix | chealer, thanks I'll try it |
| 01:13.09 | p88 | ctrl+z |
| 01:13.11 | chealer | Flimzy: Ctrl-C is for copying what you want to paste :) |
| 01:13.11 | abrotman | !tell kibab_ about d-i |
| 01:13.21 | nvz | MichaelSaunders: printers can be a nightmare.. seems like you have an Epson CX3000 series.. you can google for "0x4b8/0x802 linux" is how I figure that out, and also check out sites like linuxprinting.org and such look to see if its supported and for info form people who got it working |
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| 01:13.29 | tatoo_ | chealer: sorry for bothering you. i'm just trying to fix my camera's problem. i think we started to discurse outta the objective. maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago...i really don't remember when it was. but if you're in doubt whether I have done it or not....so, i can't prove to you. sorry. |
| 01:13.31 | Flimzy | chealer: If what you want to copy is in Konsole, tho, then Ctrl-C won't work |
| 01:13.59 | invsblduck | caphuso: i have ZER0 credibility. my box was executing aterm the whole time (which actually reads XTerm resource classes, though only those common to both aterm and xterm). what a joke. |
| 01:14.09 | p88 | ah I found out |
| 01:14.10 | invsblduck | heh |
| 01:14.23 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: You probably want to highlight (either by click-and-drag, or by double/tripple-clicking) to copy, then center or dual-click to paste |
| 01:14.29 | chealer | Flimzy: agreed |
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| 01:14.31 | kibab_ | abrotman: I'll have to check that out next time I want a 'real installer' |
| 01:14.33 | mne | I cannot use my keyboard numpad unter X since it seems to work like a keyboard-mouse. where can I reconfigure it so that I can use the numpad ? |
| 01:14.42 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: center-click if you have a 3-button mouse, or click both the right and left buttons simultaneously on a 2-button mouse |
| 01:15.04 | p88 | Flimzy: I just type make and it "remembered" |
| 01:15.05 | invsblduck | caphuso: you use xterm all around? |
| 01:15.08 | caphuso | invsblduck: damn, i was going to ask if you were actually using xterm, but then you mentioned that you wanted to try rxvt next, so i assumed you checked that already :) |
| 01:15.23 | caphuso | invsblduck: most of the time |
| 01:15.28 | Flimzy | p88: make will only make the things that need to be made. |
| 01:15.33 | azreal | kibab_: also, did you apt-get update after adding your source? if so, try google to make sure you have the right source line, i dunno what the backports source is supposed to look like |
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| 01:15.46 | chealer | tatoo_: sorry but I remember nothing we would have discussed 2-3 weeks ago |
| 01:16.10 | kibab_ | azreal: hmmm.... the original deb line I added worked (now that I know I have to run apt-get update after to have it re-sync the lists) :) |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | kibab_: use it this time |
| 01:16.27 | chealer | !nvidia-howto |
| 01:16.37 | invsblduck | caphuso: thanks, though |
| 01:16.45 | caphuso | invsblduck: no problem |
| 01:16.50 | chealer | hum I think I've corrupted nvidia-howto factoid :/ |
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| 01:17.20 | lclark_ | Hello. |
| 01:17.33 | Lo_Meinix | Flimzy: thanks, it's working. |
| 01:17.34 | stu8 | ummm... does a 7CD set for the Woody release, include a "testing" distribution, or is that separate, from somewhere else ? |
| 01:17.36 | samlander | ah yes, the initrd= line... that was what i was forgetting |
| 01:17.39 | azreal | kibab_: good. |
| 01:17.41 | kibab_ | abrotman: do I have to download it or is it available via knoppix or the debootstrap/base-config |
| 01:17.51 | nvz | stu8: woody is stable |
| 01:18.11 | nvz | stu8: testing is sarge, and its completly different its some 14 cds |
| 01:18.14 | baver|lappy | I'vejust installed debian on my laptop. Everything's great. Except for when in X, the mouse desires to change to a hand image. THen I get a big white block where the hand should be. Any ideas? |
| 01:18.28 | nvz | !dstats sarge |
| 01:18.34 | stu8 | nvz... ah OK thanks again |
| 01:18.37 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15388 packages, 1398 maintainers, 28312 MB installed size, 9083 MB compressed size. |
| 01:18.59 | chealer | hehe nice piece of software |
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| 01:19.34 | tatoo_ | chealer: maybe cuz it wasn't you who helped me to compile my kernel to sarge. listen, i just need to move the pics from my camera to my pc. is it possible?? i don't care _right now_ about _when_ my kernel was compiled or by _whom_ or even who has helped me. i'm always thankful for those who help me somehow or at least try to. are you some kindda bot? cuz it became funny. |
| 01:19.39 | abrotman | kibab_: i'd start from scratch .. but that's just me |
| 01:19.46 | nvz | stu8: the archive seems to more than double with ever release. I started using debian with potato, and it was only 3 cds, woody was 7, and sarge seems to be nearing 15 |
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| 01:20.28 | chealer | tatoo_: my father was a bot, but my mother is human |
| 01:20.38 | nvz | I ironed my shirt with a frying pan today because I couldn't find an iron |
| 01:21.40 | chealer | tatoo_: I think it's possible if your model is supported. I can't help you about your USB connexion though because I'm newbie myself as I said. only thing I know is that a stock 2.6.8 *may* work better |
| 01:21.41 | samlander | reboot brb |
| 01:21.46 | kibab_ | abrotman: Everything seems to have worked fairly well.... just have lots of little details to iron out. |
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| 01:22.11 | kibab_ | abrotman: I'm sure d-i is much better though.... this one has kind of been a pain. |
| 01:22.21 | phill` | Hi, are there ati-drivers in debians apt-repository? |
| 01:22.25 | zvpun | tatoo_ does your usb system work? |
| 01:22.37 | nvz | phill`: nope |
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| 01:22.55 | phill` | nvz, thanks :) |
| 01:23.05 | phill` | alien is my friend i guess |
| 01:23.25 | kibab_ | So what's the easiest way to find out where a given package is located.... for example, Python-2.3 or Python-2.4? |
| 01:23.34 | nvz | aliens speak spanish around here |
| 01:23.56 | zvpun | kibab_ apt-cache policy package-name |
| 01:24.05 | azreal | kibab_: located where, locally? |
| 01:24.05 | zvpun | apt-cache search searchphrase |
| 01:24.47 | MichaelSaunders | nvz: Any other ideas I had a look on linuxprinting.org |
| 01:25.34 | zvpun | michaelsaunders: did cups not work for you? |
| 01:25.37 | nvz | MichaelSaunders: nope, I just looked there, saw my printer was supported by hpijs, and installed hpijs and cupsys, and after adding foomatic and xpp to the mix I finally got it working.. printers are hit or miss |
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| 01:25.58 | kibab_ | azreal: no... All I have setup right now is stable and backports in sources.list, but python-2.{3,4} isn't in either, so I'm trying to find out what I need to do to get them installed.... I presume I need a new sources.list entry. |
| 01:26.00 | findme | does anyone know any software to capture camcorder input other than "kino or dvgrab" |
| 01:26.03 | heviarti | hey, if i supply people with GPG signed files, what else do i need to back up their authenticity? |
| 01:26.06 | nvz | MichaelSaunders: you pretty much look to see if its supported, install cupsys and goto localhost:631 in your browser and hope it all works |
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| 01:26.59 | resiak | kibab_: Well, you could upgrade to Sarge... |
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| 01:27.34 | kibab_ | resiak: Sarge is the alias for testing right? .... would something like that be in there. |
| 01:27.37 | w0wie | when trying to do any apt-get command i am getting this error, E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf:1: Extra junk at end of file |
| 01:27.43 | chealer | about blootbot, when you use "!foo is also bar", is bar merged with foo's original value, or does it create a new value? |
| 01:27.46 | azreal | kibab_: ahh, i misunderstood. you just need to fix your sources.list run an update "again" and then you can use apt-search/apt-get |
| 01:28.16 | tatoo_ | zvpun: yes, it does. i made some changes on the camera and it worked. thanks! |
| 01:28.29 | zvpun | np |
| 01:28.31 | kibab_ | azreal: apt-search? or apt-cache search? |
| 01:28.32 | chealer | tatoo_: what was it? :) |
| 01:28.35 | resiak | !tell kibab_ about woody->sarge |
| 01:28.46 | azreal | kibab_: sorry, apt-cahce search |
| 01:28.52 | zvpun | lol |
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| 01:29.07 | resiak | kibab_: You'd upgrade your entire system to Sarge. |
| 01:29.25 | zvpun | w0wie: what is in your /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf file? |
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| 01:29.31 | zvpun | w0wie: what does it contain? |
| 01:29.32 | azreal | man, ive got to get to sleep! |
| 01:29.37 | tatoo_ | zvpun: but the funny idea is that it wasn't the model described on the software. i selected "PTP" (i have no idea about what is it) and it detected another model. well...at least it's working... ;) |
| 01:29.39 | nvz | resiak: no he wouldnt, cause he's using knoppix from what he said earlier and its most likely newer than sarge |
| 01:29.55 | kibab_ | resiak: right.... this is actually a test install for a server system that I won't be managing.... I'd prefer to keep it mainly in stable, and pull the 2-3 extra programs that I need from elsewhere, if possible. |
| 01:29.58 | zvpun | tatoo_: cool |
| 01:30.03 | w0wie | zvpun: jibberish stuff |
| 01:30.23 | resiak | nvz: He's using... Knoppix? |
| 01:30.25 | kibab_ | resiak: I presume that I can have it compile against stable if I need to ?... |
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| 01:30.30 | resiak | kibab_: You're using... Knoppix? |
| 01:30.34 | zvpun | kibab_: sarge will be the next stalbe release and it will be there pretty soon |
| 01:30.34 | Infinitus | How do I make xplanet render a flat image of the earth with both night and day rendered? |
| 01:30.38 | tatoo_ | chealer: hey bot-human, thanks for your help. the camera is working. sorry for bothering you. |
| 01:30.39 | resiak | kibab_: You can compile it yourself if you like. |
| 01:30.40 | nvz | resiak: I swear he was the one came in here asking how to install debian from knoppix |
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| 01:30.50 | zvpun | kibab_ i dont think it is worth to install woody so close to the next release |
| 01:30.55 | azreal | resiak: hes doing a debootstrap with a knoppix cd |
| 01:31.10 | resiak | kibab_: But you really are probably better off with Sarge, even though it's not quite Stable. |
| 01:31.10 | zvpun | w0wie: mine looks like: DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";}; |
| 01:31.12 | stu8 | zvpun... when is the next stable release due ? |
| 01:31.13 | resiak | azreal: Oh, okay. |
| 01:31.15 | Eagle101 | help. does anyone know where i can find bzip2-devel for debian???please help |
| 01:31.17 | resiak | !tell stu8 about wwsr |
| 01:31.17 | kibab_ | nvz: yeah... :) and it's seems to be working fine... just trying to figure out package management now.... have no problem with general linux issues. |
| 01:31.19 | sussudio | !berserker |
| 01:31.26 | [Outlaw] | Hey guys, I just installed 2.6.10, after patching it with bootsplash... bootsplash is built into the kernel, but when I reboot (I've got /boot/initrd.splash for initrd in lilo.conf) I just get plain text... anyone know what would cause that? |
| 01:31.27 | zvpun | stu8: there is not due date to my knowledge |
| 01:31.38 | sussudio | !info bzip2-devel |
| 01:31.45 | w0wie | zvpun: mine looks nothing like it |
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| 01:31.57 | chealer | tatoo_: it's a newbie-pleasure |
| 01:32.03 | nvz | kibab_: if you are using debootstrap and not the hdinstall script they have you should be able then to install sarge with a knoppix cd in theory |
| 01:32.16 | [Outlaw] | I had bootsplash working with 2.6.9... |
| 01:32.28 | zvpun | eagle101: bzip2-devel? |
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| 01:32.31 | w0wie | zvpun: this is just a sample, ^?ELF^A^A^A^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^C^@^C^@^A^@^@^@?^\^@^@4^@^@^@8h |
| 01:32.31 | stu8 | <zvpun> kibab_: sarge will be the next stalbe release and it will be there pretty soon ?? |
| 01:32.38 | kibab_ | resiak: Ok..... it seemed like most of the packages were old.... rather than stable. :) |
| 01:32.52 | resiak | kibab_: That's what stable means in this context. |
| 01:32.53 | azreal | kibab_: i would recomend changeing your sources.list to "sarge" and running "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 01:32.53 | resiak | !stable |
| 01:32.53 | dpkg | well, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days. The current stable version of Debian is woody (3.0r4). |
| 01:33.02 | stu8 | ohhh |
| 01:33.08 | kibab_ | Ie.... Sarge = Testing, which is fairly stable. |
| 01:33.09 | sussudio | !info libbz2-dev |
| 01:33.09 | zvpun | w0wie: that sucks |
| 01:33.12 | dpkg | libbz2-dev: (high-quality block-sorting file compressor library - development), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 01:33.15 | zvpun | w0wie: use mine |
| 01:33.35 | sussudio | !tell Eagle101 about search |
| 01:33.52 | resiak | [Outlaw]: Firstly, get rid of []... Secondly, to be honest, you're probably on your own with bootsplash, since most people here tend to think it's a bit of a waste of timem. |
| 01:33.54 | azreal | kibab_: exactly |
| 01:33.57 | kibab_ | I'll run s/stable/Sarge/g, apt-get upgrade, apt get dist-upgrade and see how it goes.... |
| 01:34.08 | resiak | kibab_: sarge, not Sarge |
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| 01:34.20 | kibab_ | resiak: k. Thanks. |
| 01:34.21 | resiak | kibab_: (in the context of sources.list.) |
| 01:34.22 | zvpun | eagle101: apt-cache search bzip|grep dev |
| 01:34.25 | smallstar | hi, is there someone who could make working beagle on sid? |
| 01:34.33 | kibab_ | resiak: right :) |
| 01:34.35 | w0wie | zvpun: cheers |
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| 01:34.52 | [Outlaw] | Right |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | wtf is beagle? |
| 01:34.53 | [Outlaw] | Thank you |
| 01:35.03 | smallstar | a searching tool |
| 01:35.06 | w0wie | zvpun: could u join #flood for a sec? |
| 01:35.17 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 01:35.17 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 01:35.23 | azreal | abrotman: its a dumb dog that chases rabbits and barks alot |
| 01:35.23 | resiak | abrotman: Gnome's answer to Longhorn's "Implicit Query®©™" |
| 01:35.27 | zvpun | w0wie ?? |
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| 01:35.31 | resiak | [Outlaw]: Sorry :) |
| 01:35.41 | smallstar | :) |
| 01:35.51 | abrotman | resiak: say what? |
| 01:36.03 | sussudio | !say what |
| 01:36.04 | dpkg | what |
| 01:36.09 | inetd | is netbsd really faster than any other bsd when it comes to networking ? |
| 01:36.12 | Eagle101 | zvpun: Thanks |
| 01:36.16 | w0wie | zvpun: it let me do the apt-command that time |
| 01:36.22 | FieldySnuts | inetd: how the hell should we know? |
| 01:36.37 | inetd | oops wrong channel ;) |
| 01:36.39 | zvpun | eagle101: np |
| 01:37.01 | resiak | abrotman: If you're talking to Joe Bloggs in, say, Gaim, it searches your logs, your email, your calendar, etc for him and gives you a sidebar of "relevant stuff". |
| 01:37.09 | resiak | abrotman: Strikes me as a waste of time. |
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| 01:37.24 | abrotman | resiak: oh .. the stuff from ximian |
| 01:37.33 | FieldySnuts | aka bloat |
| 01:37.35 | [Outlaw] | I'll try a kernel recompile :| |
| 01:37.41 | abrotman | i thought that was dashboard? |
| 01:37.47 | drp | if I use apt-get install blackbox , will that make blackbox my default wm (I'm running kde now) or will I need to do change this in my xinitrc |
| 01:37.50 | [Outlaw] | And yes, bootsplash may be pointless, but at least it de-uglies startups |
| 01:38.06 | FieldySnuts | heh bootsplash kiddies |
| 01:38.11 | litage | are there any backup solutions that can be managed through a web interface? |
| 01:38.16 | [Outlaw] | `kiddies'? |
| 01:38.22 | FieldySnuts | "WOW LETS PATCH MY KERNEL for a result that's a whole few seconds of time" |
| 01:38.25 | FieldySnuts | morons |
| 01:38.41 | [Outlaw] | Yes, why not make it as ugly as possible! |
| 01:38.58 | Phated | Why not close your eyes while you boot. |
| 01:39.01 | resiak | [Outlaw]: I have to ask how longyou spend looking at your boot sequence, and why you don't have better things to do than stare at it. |
| 01:39.04 | azreal | drp: you can change x-window-manager with "update-alternatives". you can also add whatever wm you want to use in .xinitrc/.xsession |
| 01:39.11 | [Outlaw] | This is a stupid argument |
| 01:39.12 | [Outlaw] | :P |
| 01:39.15 | FieldySnuts | then don't start it |
| 01:39.32 | resiak | [Outlaw]: Like I said, no-one here cares about bootsplash bar you. |
| 01:39.45 | [Outlaw] | *shrug* |
| 01:39.50 | zvpun | why are you so angry about someone trying to use bootsplash? |
| 01:39.58 | kibab_ | Do I still need the "deb http://security.debian.org/ {stable|sarge}/updates main contrib non-free" line in sources.list if I'm going to use sarge.... seem to remember having read that security updates weren't necessarily pushed out frequently.... |
| 01:40.01 | inetd | FieldySnuts: you must have got up from the wrong side of the bed 2day ;) |
| 01:40.04 | [Outlaw] | zvpun: Probably because making it look half nice isn't the Linux Way (tm) |
| 01:40.08 | resiak | zvpun: I'm not, really. I just find it a little pointless. |
| 01:40.15 | azreal | zvpun: some people enjoy being angry. |
| 01:40.17 | drp | azreal, well I wanted to get blackbox but I wanted to make sure that apt-get doesn't set it as my default wm ... I just wanted to have a choice at login what wm I wanted to run |
| 01:40.21 | FieldySnuts | linux is about things working. looking pretty is secondary. |
| 01:40.27 | resiak | [Outlaw]: You're right, this is a stupid argument. Neither of us will change our minds. |
| 01:40.36 | invsblduck | FieldySnuts: you mean you don't use 3ddesktop? :> |
| 01:40.44 | [Outlaw] | I just don't see how scrolling text is preferable to a nice picture : |
| 01:40.45 | [Outlaw] | :P |
| 01:40.45 | stu8 | yea... debian should get back to basics, and dump X all together :) |
| 01:40.47 | zvpun | kibab_ there are virtually no security updates for sarge |
| 01:40.50 | FieldySnuts | actually, it wouldn't bug me much if it didn't require a kernel level patch. gimme a break. |
| 01:40.57 | smallstar | bye |
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| 01:41.01 | zvpun | kibab_ but there is a security team for the current stalbe |
| 01:41.01 | azreal | drp: its wont change the default, you have to do that yourself |
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| 01:41.17 | drp | azreal, k that's all I wanted to know ... thanks |
| 01:41.18 | FieldySnuts | pass console=null to the kernel if you really don't like it, but you're masking possible errors and warnings that could be very important, which is really dumb |
| 01:41.22 | kibab_ | zvpun: ie. they aren't necessary because the packages are generally newer, or they just aren't made, even though perhaps necessary? |
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| 01:41.37 | zvpun | fieldysnuts: who are you to define what linux is about? |
| 01:41.46 | Zap-W | rar is taking 100CPU usage , is this normal? |
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| 01:42.10 | invsblduck | Zap-W: most compression algorithms are fairly cpu-intensive |
| 01:42.15 | resiak | Amusingly, [Outlaw] was from .au :) |
| 01:42.23 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.41 | zvpun | kibab_ as far as I know it is cause they dont have enough ressources to provide them |
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| 01:42.45 | Orcrist | linux apparently is about turning people away who might otherwise have stuck with it because they ask a question and three people go 'ha, you n00b kiddie, just do it our way hahah we're ambassadors - of 1337ness' |
| 01:42.48 | zvpun | kibab_ stalbe needs to have it |
| 01:42.52 | FieldySnuts | @troll ocr |
| 01:42.55 | resiak | zvpun: That's really not the point. |
| 01:42.59 | zvpun | kibab_ unstable is usually fixed fast |
| 01:43.00 | FieldySnuts | orcrist, etc |
| 01:43.11 | zvpun | resiak: point of what? security updates? |
| 01:43.15 | FieldySnuts | it's clearly sunday in some parts of the world, bbl |
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| 01:43.21 | azreal | Orcrist: thats what caused the fall of Amiga ive been told. |
| 01:43.25 | kibab_ | zvpun: sounds good... that's what I was hoping. |
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| 01:43.30 | Zap-W | 03:43 AM - Israel |
| 01:43.46 | jethro | Orcrist: linux is about being smart enough to be able to use it and ask for help once you've exhausted available documentation |
| 01:43.49 | lakcaj | Hi. How can I find out what program is using a specific port? I tried using netstat, but I must not be using it properly. |
| 01:44.02 | caphuso | lakcaj: netstat -pant, lsof -i |
| 01:44.06 | zvpun | orcrist: dude do you know http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/ tragically l337? |
| 01:44.12 | lakcaj | caphuso, thanks... brb |
| 01:44.16 | resiak | zvpun: Woody doesn't get new versions, it only gets security backports. This is why it needs them. Testing gets them only as a side-effect of new versions of things. |
| 01:44.18 | kibab_ | lakcaj: lsof -itcp |
| 01:44.30 | Orcrist | jethro, agreed... but the guy had it working in 2.6.9... and it's not a trivial thing to get bootsplash working in debian... so it's not like he's your average tard wandering in here going 'do it for me' |
| 01:44.31 | Orcrist | jeez |
| 01:44.43 | Zap-W | !tell lakcaj about open files |
| 01:44.47 | zvpun | lakcaj: netstat -l -p |
| 01:44.57 | resiak | Orcrist: In which case he can get it working in 2.6.10 himself. |
| 01:45.06 | jethro | Orcrist: I just arrived, dunno what you're talking about (and I won't read the backlog) |
| 01:45.20 | zvpun | resiak: yeah that is nicely put that way. I didnt know how to say it |
| 01:45.23 | zvpun | resiak: thanks |
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| 01:45.31 | Orcrist | heh, then why are you bothering to insert your opinion if you have no idea what's going on? |
| 01:45.33 | resiak | zvpun: Sorry, I jumped to conclusions :) |
| 01:46.08 | zvpun | resiak: :-) |
| 01:46.26 | azreal | Orcrist: because its fun to get involved in a troll about anything that has to do with the word "bootsplash". |
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| 01:46.40 | jethro | Orcrist: just reacted to your personal definition of linux |
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| 01:46.54 | Orcrist | lol jethro... well it wasn't my definition.. pure sarcasm |
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| 01:47.11 | phill` | how can i add proxy details by hand to sources.list? |
| 01:47.29 | caphuso | phill`: you can't, that's not what sources.list is for |
| 01:47.47 | caphuso | phill`: /msg dpkg http_proxy |
| 01:48.12 | phill` | i wasn't sure where to add it |
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| 01:48.33 | caphuso | ~/.bash_profile or something equivalent |
| 01:48.40 | Zap-W | omg , after 7 years i am finnaly getting a 600mhz piii cpu for this 440bx mobo and settings the FSB to 100mhz for the first time |
| 01:48.52 | jethro | !win Zap-W |
| 01:48.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, Zap-W! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 01:48.57 | lakcaj | kibab_, Zap-W, caphuso: thanks alot... exactly what I was looking for. |
| 01:48.58 | zvpun | phill`: it is a environment variable you have to set it everytime you use it or you add it to your profile |
| 01:49.17 | phill` | i understand. thanks :) |
| 01:50.32 | zvpun | have a nice day |
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| 01:51.50 | chealer | I've changed nvidia factoids considerably, if somebody wants to review |
| 01:52.07 | caphuso | chealer: which one? |
| 01:52.23 | chealer | caphuso: nvidia debs, nvidia-howto and nvidia |
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| 01:53.13 | caphuso | chealer: looks ok |
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| 01:53.38 | chealer | thanks |
| 01:54.04 | Lo_Meinix | how does one copy a dir and it's sub dirs? |
| 01:54.23 | hettar | cp -r x y |
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| 01:54.40 | Lo_Meinix | thanks |
| 01:54.46 | Lo_Meinix | :q |
| 01:54.48 | Lo_Meinix | oops |
| 01:55.17 | aphisone | I have just added a hard drive to my Debian system, but how do I access it... it's not being auto detected? |
| 01:55.31 | cappicard | here ya go if you want to get dizzy :) : http://65.26.0.18/~cappicard/images/infinite-kdescreenshot.jpg :) |
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| 01:55.47 | Lo_Meinix | aphisone: fdisk it, create partitions/fs |
| 01:55.52 | Lo_Meinix | aphisone: then mount it |
| 01:55.52 | green_earz | chealer: they perfect the nvidia factoids |
| 01:56.05 | netcat | aphisone: do dmesg and see if the kernel found it. |
| 01:56.06 | zarchne | Lo_Meinix: man cp : usually -a is a better choice than plain -r |
| 01:56.13 | aphisone | Lo_Meinix, it has data on it.... |
| 01:56.25 | Lo_Meinix | zarchne: thanks |
| 01:56.43 | Lo_Meinix | aphisone: then mount it, it will probably be /dev/hdb |
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| 01:56.53 | aphisone | okay ... |
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| 01:57.13 | Lo_Meinix | aphisone: how many hard drives do you have? |
| 01:57.23 | aphisone | only 2 now |
| 01:57.34 | doublehp | "drwxr-sr-x 8 dhp dhp 320 Feb 5 16:18 www" how to know where the sim links start, so that I can know who/where are the links to that dir ? |
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| 01:57.53 | kernelrahl | abrotman: so you camp out here a bit from what I see on the stats pages! |
| 01:57.54 | abrotman | doublehp: i think find can do that |
| 01:58.00 | abrotman | kernelrahl: ah .. i guess |
| 01:58.01 | zarchne | doublehp: links are files in the dir |
| 01:58.19 | azreal | kernelrahl: what is the stats page? |
| 01:58.20 | zarchne | doublehp: actually subdirs, I mean. |
| 01:58.25 | Lo_Meinix | aphisone: then it should be /dev/hdb.....creat a dir, whatever you want to name it and then I think it's mount /dev/hdb /<dir you created> or vice versa.....I don't mount a lot of stuff....so you might want to check that out. |
| 01:58.29 | abrotman | !debstats |
| 01:58.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 01:58.35 | azreal | i been camping out here for like 10 years |
| 01:58.39 | kernelrahl | azreal: usage stats for the irc room |
| 01:58.50 | azreal | kernelrahl: url? |
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| 01:59.02 | kernelrahl | abrotman: you know that offhand? |
| 01:59.06 | abrotman | !debstats |
| 01:59.06 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 01:59.09 | azreal | nevermind |
| 01:59.22 | swatikiss | !debstats |
| 01:59.22 | dpkg | debstats is, like, managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 01:59.26 | aphisone | thanks Lo_Meinix |
| 01:59.29 | doublehp | abrotman: I am not goind to find in whole my system ... the weekly updatedb already takes 30mn ... |
| 01:59.34 | Lo_Meinix | aphisone: is it working? |
| 01:59.42 | abrotman | doublehp: jeez .. how big is your hdd? |
| 01:59.42 | aphisone | working on it |
| 01:59.53 | Lo_Meinix | aphisone: well take your time but hurry up! |
| 02:00.10 | doublehp | zarchne: no ... there is a link which start from outside this directory |
| 02:00.21 | doublehp | abrotman: it is not a batter of size, but of speed |
| 02:00.32 | abrotman | doublehp: microchannel ? :) |
| 02:00.32 | kernelrahl | abrotman: you were right about gnome...long download |
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| 02:00.35 | doublehp | abrotman: it is ohwfully old and slow |
| 02:00.43 | abrotman | kernelrahl: yeah .. about 120MB iirc |
| 02:00.50 | abrotman | doublehp: i guess |
| 02:00.53 | aphisone | lol.... |
| 02:01.15 | aphisone | Lo_Meinix, it's telling me to specify a filesystem type |
| 02:01.19 | aphisone | lol |
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| 02:01.39 | zarchne | doublehp: looking for symlinks which target that dir? May have to do a find on whole filesystem. But how do you know there are any? |
| 02:01.44 | Zap-W | http://yxy.mine.nu/screenshots/ |
| 02:01.54 | Lo_Meinix | aphisone: man mount.......what is the FS on that HD? |
| 02:01.55 | netcat | aphisone: mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb /mountpoint |
| 02:02.15 | doublehp | 'stat www ' stats that there are 8 links ... where are they ? |
| 02:02.28 | zarchne | doublehp: subdirs |
| 02:02.32 | Lo_Meinix | netcat: correct me if I'm wrong but, if the system supports the file system it wouldn't ask, would it? |
| 02:02.38 | doublehp | zarchne: because I know I created them long time ago :) |
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| 02:02.54 | zarchne | doublehp: subdirs have .. which are hard links to parent. |
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| 02:03.27 | Lo_Meinix | anyway, brb, gotta restart X |
| 02:04.07 | Zap-W | heh |
| 02:04.50 | kernelrahl | abrotman: should I entrust font management to defoma? |
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| 02:05.14 | abrotman | kernelrahl: take the default i guess |
| 02:05.17 | aphisone | Lo_Meinix, this is realy frusterating... you should be glad you don't do it often |
| 02:05.20 | kernelrahl | abrotman: ok |
| 02:05.33 | kernelrahl | abrotman: I have never heard of that before |
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| 02:05.35 | zarchne | doublehp: www has 6 subdirs, right? |
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| 02:05.53 | abrotman | kernelrahl: as long as it works :) |
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| 02:05.58 | netcat | aphisone: Do you know what filesystem the drive was formatted with? |
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| 02:06.32 | zarchne | doublehp: the 8 links are the one from the parent, the . entry in www, and the .. entries of 6 subdirectories. |
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| 02:07.00 | aphisone | i think it was a win fat16 or 32 |
| 02:07.02 | zarchne | oops, gone |
| 02:07.06 | WillySilly | is there a way to make OpenOffice and Mozilla print using kprinter? |
| 02:07.13 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 02:07.14 | kernelrahl | abrotman: for me that is hit or miss half the time...I have the worst luck |
| 02:07.25 | abrotman | kernelrahl: hopefully it will work :) |
| 02:07.30 | netcat | aphisone: Do you know if it is /dev/hdb? |
| 02:07.38 | aphisone | ??? |
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| 02:08.06 | zarchne | fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
| 02:08.10 | aphisone | netcat, I'm trying to do this ahlf asleep |
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| 02:08.35 | netcat | aphisone: type: dmesg | grep -i hd and see if you can tell what drive it is... |
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| 02:09.02 | Smurg | What is the smallest download I need to make kde run on my system? I dont have xdm installed too |
| 02:09.21 | abrotman | Smurg: which version of debian? |
| 02:09.25 | Smurg | Sarge |
| 02:09.30 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 02:09.30 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 02:09.41 | abrotman | you want kdebase .. and whichever dm you want .. kdm/gdm/xdm |
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| 02:09.55 | abrotman | Smurg: and x-window-system-core i guess too |
| 02:10.06 | Smurg | but why is the whole package soo huge? full of utils? |
| 02:10.15 | aphisone | netcat, yah it's hdb |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | Smurg: it's a metapackage |
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| 02:10.39 | uGexe | anyone have xcfe4 now show any menus or anything when they insatlled it? |
| 02:10.49 | netcat | aphisone: mount -t vfat /dev/hdb /empty_directory |
| 02:10.55 | Kerr | How can i start a second x session? |
| 02:11.02 | Smurg | abrotman : so kdebase will do? and apt takes care of dependencies |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | Smurg: i guess ... |
| 02:11.25 | zarchne | Kerr: startx -- :1 |
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| 02:11.44 | netcat | aphisone: You might want to edit /etc/fstab to make it permanent. |
| 02:11.52 | Smurg | abrotman: do you run any windowing software? |
| 02:12.00 | Cisyouc[Windows] | How would I access a folder over a samba network within a bash shell? (assuming samba is installed and set up correctly) |
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| 02:12.17 | frap | hallo |
| 02:12.23 | abrotman | Smurg: gnome ... or blackbox |
| 02:12.26 | zarchne | Cisyouc[Windows]: smbmount |
| 02:12.27 | Kerr | ugh |
| 02:12.32 | Kerr | it started with gnome.. |
| 02:12.36 | Cisyouc[Windows] | ahh ok |
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| 02:12.42 | Kerr | how can i make startx use icewm? |
| 02:12.50 | Smurg | abrotman: Gnome is smaller? |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | Smurg: it's an opinion .. i prefer gnome |
| 02:13.09 | frap | can i make a little OT question? |
| 02:13.16 | aphisone | netcat, it's telling me that it is the wrong filesystem type |
| 02:13.17 | abrotman | frap: you can try |
| 02:13.29 | frap | someone is using a Speedtouch? |
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| 02:13.37 | frap | Speedtouch Home |
| 02:13.39 | netcat | aphisone: fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
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| 02:13.56 | Lo_Meinix | boy, thats a crying shame..... |
| 02:13.58 | aphisone | netcat, can't data on drive |
| 02:14.17 | aphisone | netcat, it's a real pain |
| 02:14.26 | frap | i'm buying an "American" one, but i've to use it in "Europe"...someone know if there're some differences between the two version? |
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| 02:14.28 | Lo_Meinix | my old k6-2 450mhz linux box could render full screen video faster (no lost frames) than this celeron POS |
| 02:14.35 | netcat | aphisone: The "-l" means to just list the stats of the drive to the screen.... |
| 02:14.49 | aphisone | I thought that Debian had an auto detector that would auto mount the file systems as they were made present |
| 02:15.01 | Smurg | My system specs : 1 Gig Ram, 32 MB ati rage pro, 2.4 Ghz processor, but still games like tux run reaaaal slow..How do I configure my ATI card? obviously it isnt using the video card |
| 02:15.07 | resiak | aphisone: You're thinking of gnome-volume-manager. |
| 02:15.12 | resiak | !tell Smurg about ati |
| 02:15.15 | abrotman | !tell smurg about ati drivers |
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| 02:15.30 | larsie | Hmm, shoot. I forgot to compile my NIC modules/drivers. Do I have to recompile the kernel then? Or is it a more easy way to install the driver? |
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| 02:15.35 | jack|h | how do i decompress a .deb? |
| 02:15.37 | jack|h | to extract everything in it without installing that is. |
| 02:15.43 | Lo_Meinix | Smurg: look at the GATOS driver |
| 02:15.43 | aphisone | netcat, W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 02:15.55 | zarchne | jack|h: ar x |
| 02:16.12 | Smurg | Lo_meinix : GATOS? |
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| 02:16.36 | zarchne | jack|h: then tar xzf what you find. |
| 02:16.36 | netcat | aphisone: I think I forgot about the actual partition. Try this: mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mountpoint |
| 02:16.40 | resiak | Smurg: It was in the factoid I sent you. |
| 02:16.41 | jack|h | ah |
| 02:16.45 | kernelrahl | abrotman: this thing asks a ton of questions ;) |
| 02:16.47 | Lo_Meinix | Smurg: yeah, its a X driver built for ati cards to take advantage of acceleration, may or may not help you |
| 02:16.51 | Kerr | How can i make startx use icewm ? |
| 02:16.56 | jack|h | hrm |
| 02:16.57 | Lo_Meinix | Smurg: google it |
| 02:16.58 | jack|h | no luck |
| 02:17.04 | abrotman | kernelrahl: anything good? |
| 02:17.06 | Smurg | Lo_Meinix : yeah |
| 02:17.12 | aphisone | netcat, haha |
| 02:17.31 | kernelrahl | abrotman: just x setup questions...I hope I answered those right |
| 02:17.37 | aphisone | netcat, now where do I go to make it stay |
| 02:17.45 | abrotman | kernelrahl: hpefuly |
| 02:18.08 | Lo_Meinix | Smurg: there is also a utility out there for linux to overclock your ati rage card.....which I will be doing shortly ;) |
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| 02:18.23 | Orcrist | lol interesting... |
| 02:18.28 | Orcrist | I have like 3 rages |
| 02:18.37 | Smurg | Lo_Meinix : I see...but when I went the ATI website they had only Radeon drivers for linux..no rage |
| 02:18.51 | Smurg | Lo_Meinix : Ill try linuxvideo.org |
| 02:18.58 | Lo_Meinix | Smurg: G A T O S |
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| 02:19.05 | zarchne | jack|h: Whaddymean "no luck"? |
| 02:19.10 | WillySilly | is there a way to make OpenOffice and Mozilla print using kprinter? |
| 02:19.14 | Smurg | !ati |
| 02:19.14 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | Lo_Meinix: don't confuse him |
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| 02:19.30 | netcat | aphisone: edit your /etc/fstab |
| 02:20.12 | jack|h | zarchne: I do "ar x phpmyadmin-<version>.deb" and it doesn't do anything, just goes back to the console. |
| 02:20.35 | zarchne | jack|h: ls |
| 02:20.37 | Smurg | Also how do I add desktop icons to xfce4? when i use xffm there is a big |
| 02:20.45 | Smurg | "desktop" button but it says no desktop folder |
| 02:20.51 | zarchne | jack|h: tar xvzf data.tar.gz |
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| 02:20.59 | jack|h | zarchne: OH. |
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| 02:21.04 | kernelrahl | abrotman: I will have to go through then and remove all the crap applications installed that will not be used |
| 02:21.07 | Infinitus | Can anybody here tell me the way to get xplanet to render to the root window a flat image of the earth with both day and night showing? |
| 02:21.07 | Infinitus | I'm trying make xplanet display color earth like kde world clock shows. |
| 02:21.07 | Infinitus | I know it was possible in old xplanet versions. I used to do it in the earlier versions of xplanet. So if anybody could tell me how to do this I would really appreciate it. Thanks |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | kernelrahl: you don't have to .. you can if you want to |
| 02:21.14 | jack|h | zarchne: thanks. :) I thought it was going to replace the original file or name it similarly |
| 02:21.16 | kernelrahl | abrotman: evolution for example |
| 02:21.38 | kernelrahl | abrotman: I will have to see how much space the wife uses on this machine |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | kernelrahl: why wouldn't she use that? .. it's email |
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| 02:21.57 | kernelrahl | abrotman: She is a thunderbird user |
| 02:21.57 | zarchne | jack|h: yeah, ar is more like tar than gzip |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | kernelrahl: ah .. ok |
| 02:22.59 | Lo_Meinix | man, thats really strange.....I haven't used my windows box all night |
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| 02:23.39 | kernelrahl | what good are they for but gaming? |
| 02:24.39 | MichaelSaunders | what is the best tool auto configurate windows |
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| 02:25.00 | abrotman | !tell MichaelSaunders about set up x |
| 02:25.16 | Lo_Meinix | kernelrahl: when someone says slap together a system and throw windows one it....I can....when they say that and mean linux, I say "I'll see you in three weeks" |
| 02:25.31 | kernelrahl | lol |
| 02:25.34 | kernelrahl | point taken |
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| 02:26.32 | Infinitus | apt xplnet |
| 02:26.34 | Infinitus | apt xplanet |
| 02:26.35 | apt | An Xearth wannabe. URL: http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~hari/xplanet/ |
| 02:27.11 | Lo_Meinix | I mean, really, 1 hour to put the system together, 3 hours to install windows, install apps, apply updates and secure. |
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| 02:28.46 | kernelrahl | only time I do that is when I can not convince them to switch |
| 02:29.30 | netcat | Lo_Meinix: How many years doing MS vs. how many years doing Linux? |
| 02:29.38 | Lo_Meinix | convince them to switch? if they've got to be convinced then they're not ready for it. |
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| 02:30.18 | Lo_Meinix | netcat: can't even compare the two....i understand your point.....but regardless....linux just isn't there yet. |
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| 02:30.48 | Lo_Meinix | But, I'm trying to learn more. |
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| 02:32.06 | netcat | Lo_Meinix: I kind of think of the "You can pay me now or you can pay me later" phrase when it comes to Linux. |
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| 02:33.48 | Lo_Meinix | netcat: true....stability and security....sure...but, if you're a end user and you decide to change your configuration even a little with something as simple as adding a printer......oh, you'll pay for it. |
| 02:33.51 | zarchne | Windows is better than linux because when something doesn't work you just have to move on, but with linux there's always the possibility that if you were smarter or worked harder you could make it work. |
| 02:34.09 | zarchne | </troll> |
| 02:34.13 | larsie | HEHE |
| 02:34.16 | larsie | ooups. |
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| 02:35.05 | Lo_Meinix | and I say "something as simple as a printer" because I never really knew how difficult adding a printer could be until I did it in linux. That was another 3 day project that takes 5 minutes in windows. |
| 02:35.40 | Baby | it can take more than 5 minutes in windows |
| 02:35.49 | Baby | depending on the printer and the OS :P |
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| 02:36.59 | mwilson | Clueless people take three days in Linux. |
| 02:37.11 | kernelrahl | not true |
| 02:37.12 | Lo_Meinix | Baby, you're right it is more than 5 minutes....gotta wait for the software to install...thats like 10 minutes with hp....maybe it's not a factor of time.....lets say....in windows adding a printer is a no brainer. |
| 02:37.38 | Baby | well.. if everything goes as it should, obviously not |
| 02:37.42 | kernelrahl | I find myself on the losing side of hardware issue quite a bit in linux |
| 02:37.50 | Baby | if it doesn't work, it won't work |
| 02:37.53 | Lo_Meinix | yeah me too |
| 02:38.11 | |ryan| | hello |
| 02:38.22 | Baby | i have hardware from 98 that didn't work in XP, not supported |
| 02:38.35 | |ryan| | I'm trying to install using debian-installer, via PXE boot |
| 02:38.41 | |ryan| | having problems |
| 02:38.44 | Lo_Meinix | baby...right, in windows, if it doesn't work it won't work....in linux.....it may work...no go read a bunch of man pages, documentation and hang out in a irc channel to get it working. |
| 02:38.48 | Baby | and we had some printer at the uni we couldn't make it work under w2k nos xp |
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| 02:39.04 | |ryan| | the think says 'Ready...' then clears the screen and doesn't do anything else. |
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| 02:39.26 | mwilson | |ryan|: What does the installation guide say? |
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| 02:39.50 | JRWR | hi |
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| 02:41.11 | kernelrahl | abrotman: still going on this install |
| 02:41.16 | kernelrahl | abrotman: ugh! |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | kernelrahl: yeah .. it will take a while ... |
| 02:41.23 | Return0 | heya... |
| 02:41.23 | netcat | Lo_Meinix: I understand your frustration. May I suggest that you give feedback to the printer manufacturer? The only way they will start supporting Linux is if we let them know that we might go to their competitor next time.... |
| 02:41.37 | |ryan| | mwilson: not much.... |
| 02:41.39 | Return0 | anyone familiar with autoconf and automake that could help me out? or know a better place to ask? |
| 02:42.08 | |ryan| | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s06.html < i followed that |
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| 02:42.18 | |ryan| | I'm installing via a serial console. |
| 02:42.35 | Lo_Meinix | Baby, I don't want you to think I'm beating up on Linux, I'm not....I like the fact that I could throw together some old hardware and run it as a video player when in Windows it choked trying to render a picture....I love that!! Take it as a compliment when I say linux isn't there yet in relation to the patience, intelligence and skill level of a typical user. |
| 02:42.42 | Return0 | configure.ac:20: error: `test' is already registered with AC_CONFIG_FILES. (the command at that line is AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE) |
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| 02:43.13 | Baby | Lo_Meinix ... yep :) |
| 02:43.13 | kernelrahl | I second that Lo_Meinix |
| 02:43.33 | Return0 | errr |
| 02:43.43 | Return0 | nm |
| 02:43.46 | Baby | anyway.. ease of installation might depend on the distro.. maybe on SuSe or MDK the printer installation goes smoothly |
| 02:43.57 | Baby | as they're more business-oriented |
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| 02:44.19 | netcat | Lo_Meinix: You wont get an argument out of me when you say that Linux has a large learning curve... |
| 02:44.50 | kernelrahl | most users resist anything that is more than point and click |
| 02:45.03 | netcat | Lo_Meinix: Have you ever tried webmin? |
| 02:45.08 | quittt | is there a good way to mix sounds that ALL apps can work? |
| 02:45.17 | Lo_Meinix | netcat: no, what is it? |
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| 02:45.30 | |ryan| | oh |
| 02:45.32 | sysdef | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.39 | sysdef | sry ;) |
| 02:45.44 | netcat | Lo_Meinix: A web based admin tool. |
| 02:45.52 | |ryan| | i need to pass "console=ttyS0,19200n8" to the kernel |
| 02:46.35 | Baby | well there should be a difference between words "user" and "admin" |
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| 02:46.56 | netcat | Lo_Meinix: apt-cache show webmin |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 02:47.00 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 02:47.07 | JRWR23 | How do i share files with IR with windows 98 and the lastes ver of debian |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | irda-tools? |
| 02:47.45 | toresbe | JRWR23: apt-cache search obex |
| 02:47.48 | abrotman | and that's a guess |
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| 02:47.59 | |ryan| | w00t, it's working |
| 02:48.00 | toresbe | something like htat, Boject Exchange |
| 02:48.11 | toresbe | whoa, temporary lapse of typing SKILZLlzz |
| 02:48.19 | Lo_Meinix | netcat: well, looking at the What is Webmin blurb....hmmm....I dunno though.....it's not a matter of command usage for me....it's a matter of figuring what Linux expects to get shit working. |
| 02:48.20 | JRWR23 | lol |
| 02:48.30 | JRWR23 | ok thanks |
| 02:48.31 | toresbe | OBject* |
| 02:48.34 | Binarynomad | dpkg: RE: Webmin, why not run it only accept local and only on https, and then ssh tunnel over to it. |
| 02:48.34 | dpkg | Binarynomad: You are moron #12 |
| 02:48.41 | toresbe | JRWR23: But I never got it working ;) |
| 02:48.43 | Lo_Meinix | besides, most of the stuff I've done is just messing around....I don't support linux commercially. |
| 02:48.52 | JRWR23 | lol |
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| 02:49.33 | ctl^c | Hello. What is the easiet way to setup a static ip on my box? |
| 02:49.38 | toresbe | Lo_Meinix: true. But take my advice - learn stuff the real way, and don't rely on Webmin. Vim is the one true configuration tool :) |
| 02:49.47 | toresbe | ctl^c: vim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:49.50 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 02:50.01 | JRWR23 | so how dop i install obex |
| 02:50.03 | Lo_Meinix | I use vi actually |
| 02:50.13 | ctl^c | toresbe: Tried that, didn't get very far. |
| 02:50.16 | Baby | vim? :P |
| 02:50.22 | |ryan| | hehe |
| 02:50.33 | ctl^c | Anyone got a howto? |
| 02:50.35 | toresbe | ctl^c: hm? not too difficult - I could give you a sampple file that I use |
| 02:50.39 | |ryan| | watching the screen redraw it 19200 BPS is fun. |
| 02:50.51 | abrotman | !tell ctl^c about interfaces |
| 02:50.52 | ctl^c | toresbe: That'd be helpful. |
| 02:50.53 | toresbe | ryushe: It is! :) |
| 02:51.04 | netcat | ctl^c: man interfaces |
| 02:51.11 | Lo_Meinix | |ryan|: You should have seen the days at 300bps...... |
| 02:51.28 | toresbe | Lo_Meinix: hell, I've got a 100bps teletype! |
| 02:51.36 | toresbe | 110* |
| 02:51.37 | kernelrahl | abrotman: looks like I will be watching the grudge tonight...seen it yet? |
| 02:51.39 | ctl^c | All right. |
| 02:51.45 | JRWR23 | so how do i install obex |
| 02:51.45 | |ryan| | Lo_Meinix: the slowest internet connetion i've used was 14.4kbps |
| 02:51.52 | abrotman | kernelrahl: nope ... |
| 02:51.53 | toresbe | ctl^c: http://toresbe.homelinux.org/p1/interfaces |
| 02:51.58 | Lo_Meinix | 2400bps was Godlike in those days |
| 02:52.11 | JRWR23 | lol ive seen 200bps |
| 02:52.26 | toresbe | JRWR23: Well, apt-cache search would yield package names that have "obex" in their description |
| 02:52.29 | |ryan| | heh |
| 02:52.30 | Lo_Meinix | I miss the old BBS days...... |
| 02:52.48 | Baby | why do u miss them? |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:52.51 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:52.56 | toresbe | JRWR23: apt-cache show (package) gives yuou more info on the package, and apt-get install (package)... well, take a guess |
| 02:53.06 | toresbe | Baby: It was quite fun |
| 02:53.19 | JoePenguin | i ran up a big phone bill in those days |
| 02:53.24 | toresbe | hehe |
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| 02:53.35 | netcat | Lo_Meinix: Back in the mid 80's we used to have over a hundred BBS's in the St. Louis area.... :) |
| 02:53.41 | Lo_Meinix | Baby: cause if I wanted to meet someone from a bbs I usually had to drive a few miles and meet them....the internet...well.....I've got to fly cross country or go intercontinental |
| 02:53.53 | Baby | hehehe |
| 02:53.56 | kernelrahl | abrotman: well I have a graphical login now |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | yay |
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| 02:54.04 | ctl^c | toresbe: Thanks. |
| 02:54.05 | kernelrahl | abrotman: that took long enough |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:54.20 | Baby | so with internet you finally know more world :) |
| 02:54.31 | toresbe | ctl^c: no problem - note that this file doesn't supply DNS info, that's in the /etc/resolv.conf file |
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| 02:54.36 | Lo_Meinix | netcat: bbs's were my first experience with online pr0n....it was great ;) |
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| 02:54.45 | hhstnoc | uhhhh, any ops? |
| 02:54.57 | toresbe | hhstnoc: Yes, why? |
| 02:55.05 | Lo_Meinix | netcat: watching those pics slowly scan down the screen....hehehe |
| 02:55.06 | ctl^c | toresbe: So I'd need something like DyDns or something? |
| 02:55.13 | hhstnoc | lilalolias spamming people when they join. |
| 02:55.17 | hhstnoc | free pr0n and the like. |
| 02:55.21 | toresbe | ah |
| 02:55.50 | cafuego | whee |
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| 02:56.00 | hhstnoc | :) thanks |
| 02:56.03 | netcat | Lo_Meinix: I used to be a message hound. Would use BlueWave as an offline reader... |
| 02:56.04 | Lo_Meinix | and then to be able to chat with other users....man....that was a luxury....live chat instead of leaving messages on theboards....it was the bomb. |
| 02:56.06 | |ryan| | wow |
| 02:56.06 | toresbe | ctl^c: No, just doesn't give you the dns server address |
| 02:56.10 | |ryan| | onjoin spam |
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| 02:56.30 | ctl^c | toresbe: Oh all right. Thanks again. |
| 02:56.35 | |ryan| | they are parcticly begging for a DDoS. Or, from the more mature, a LART to the webhost. |
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| 02:56.46 | toresbe | "Welcome to #debian, wanna see my tits?" |
| 02:56.48 | toresbe | _Å |
| 02:56.50 | toresbe | :P* |
| 02:56.56 | cafuego | !ops lilalolia on join spammer |
| 02:56.56 | helix | eh |
| 02:56.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: lilalolia on join spammer |
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| 02:57.19 | inetd | hmm |
| 02:57.20 | hhstnoc | yay! |
| 02:57.21 | |ryan| | haha |
| 02:57.25 | |ryan| | a forced part? |
| 02:57.30 | cafuego | helix: Oh crap, I got a russian spam yesterday and forgot to forward it :-/ |
| 02:57.45 | helix | :( |
| 02:57.48 | inetd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.00 | toresbe | I can't wait till my new Indigo2 arrives! ^_^ |
| 02:58.15 | cafuego | toresbe: Does it have built-in ISDN hardware? |
| 02:58.24 | kernelrahl | abrotman: I am pleasently surprised with the speed on this K6 450 |
| 02:58.26 | toresbe | cafuego: I don't know, don't think so |
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| 02:58.35 | kernelrahl | abrotman: gnome performs well it seems |
| 02:58.36 | toresbe | cafuego: My two Indys do |
| 02:58.46 | cafuego | (and I don't mean a Power Challenge) |
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| 02:59.05 | Lo_Meinix | kernelrahl: oc it to 550....my k6-2 450 was oced to 550 and stable.... |
| 02:59.12 | |ryan| | d-i |
| 02:59.25 | |ryan| | wow |
| 02:59.27 | kernelrahl | 550...no issue at all? |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | kerneld__: good |
| 02:59.39 | Lo_Meinix | kernelrahl: not once I got the voltage right |
| 02:59.42 | abrotman | don'toverclock it |
| 02:59.50 | toresbe | kernelrahl: Don't OC. |
| 02:59.53 | |ryan| | I just tried to use <ctrl-r> to do a history search in xchat. |
| 03:00.06 | toresbe | kernelrahl: The server I'm typing this on right now is a 450, kicks major ass |
| 03:00.07 | kernelrahl | want to explain the pros and cons |
| 03:00.12 | abrotman | kernelrahl: itcould seriously damage your hardware |
| 03:00.25 | superkitty | anyone offer help with configuring a Brother printer? |
| 03:00.28 | kernelrahl | toresbe: nice |
| 03:00.28 | toresbe | kernelrahl: I can decode fullscreen DivX in REALTIME! ^_^ |
| 03:00.29 | cafuego | kernelrahl: I suggest you don't OC it. |
| 03:00.41 | toresbe | Overclocking is never a good idea |
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| 03:00.50 | hhstnoc | superkitty : tried printconf? |
| 03:00.54 | kernelrahl | Ok, that is out then |
| 03:00.54 | cafuego | toresbe: HA! I can do that on all 4 X servers on the 1600x1200 21" ;-) |
| 03:01.01 | superkitty | yeah, |
| 03:01.06 | toresbe | cafuego: I hate you :'( |
| 03:01.25 | netcat | superkitty: Have you checked out linuxprinting.org? |
| 03:01.27 | superkitty | been fighting it for a while |
| 03:01.33 | superkitty | yes i have |
| 03:01.39 | cafuego | (and I can hold 2 full length movie divxes on ramdisk whilst doing so) |
| 03:01.41 | Lo_Meinix | kernelrahl: man, don't let these peeps scare ya! :) Trust me. It can be done and rock solid. I compiled OCed....NO problems. |
| 03:01.43 | hhstnoc | superkitty : what's it been doing? |
| 03:01.57 | cafuego | kernelrahl: How much ram does that machine have? |
| 03:02.03 | kernelrahl | 192MB |
| 03:02.03 | Lo_Meinix | Just make sure you got a good fan on it and it'll be ok |
| 03:02.17 | cafuego | kernelrahl: Neet, should be fine. |
| 03:02.20 | kernelrahl | just spare stuff thrown together |
| 03:02.36 | superkitty | i follow the wizard to config it with cups, print a test page one light on the printer lights and then nothing |
| 03:02.42 | kernelrahl | Lo_Meinix: I don't have that for sure |
| 03:02.52 | toresbe | I am setting up my Indigo2 in dual-head mode, I hope... |
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| 03:03.29 | Lo_Meinix | kernelrahl: well in order to get my system rendering full screen video without dropping frames I had to oc the cpu and the video card...... |
| 03:03.30 | superkitty | the printer works with Debian derivatives but |
| 03:03.49 | superkitty | not with Debain purte |
| 03:03.53 | superkitty | pure |
| 03:03.54 | Return0 | I could really use some help with autoconf and automake... I'm using my friends box and he's waiting for me to finish... |
| 03:04.04 | Return0 | I'm getting this: autoheader-2.5x: error: AC_CONFIG_HEADERS not found in configure.ac |
| 03:04.11 | |ryan| | does the new debian installer have an option to check partitions for badblocks? |
| 03:04.52 | kernelrahl | Lo_Meinix: I will not be doing fullscreen video....It is a internet gui basically for my wife |
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| 03:05.23 | cafuego | kernelrahl: Maybe give 'xfce4' a try. That's pretty, but a lot lighter then Gnome. |
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| 03:06.28 | kernelrahl | cafuego: I am a bit concerned with that and my wife getting used to it. She likes gnome's look and feel |
| 03:06.46 | doublehp | are there Linux tool to crack SAM files ? john gives up after 3s |
| 03:06.56 | abrotman | you could use icewm and make it look like win98 |
| 03:07.20 | cafuego | abrotman: Wtf would you do that? |
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| 03:07.30 | abrotman | cafuego: for his wife :) |
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| 03:07.43 | cafuego | abrotman: Any reason to suspect she likes ugly GUIs? |
| 03:07.46 | travisat | fvwm-95 would work too |
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| 03:09.31 | kernelrahl | I like the fact that she warmed to gnome really |
| 03:09.54 | kernelrahl | It is amazing when you give someone no other choice how quickly they start liking things |
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| 03:10.26 | akiru | Can anyone tell me what i need to do to get the latest version of gnome for debian using apt-get ? |
| 03:10.35 | cafuego | kernelrahl: yeah. Then again, anything not windows is an improvement. Inclusing (but not limited to) MacOS 7.1 |
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| 03:10.50 | hhstnoc | i loved the old Mac OS |
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| 03:11.23 | kernelrahl | I like the new one! Counting pennies until I can sneak a mini in here |
| 03:11.33 | kernelrahl | for my wife of course |
| 03:11.37 | kernelrahl | but for me to play with |
| 03:11.37 | hhstnoc | yeah :) that whole Unix thing is pretty nice |
| 03:12.04 | Lo_Meinix | cafuego: I think thats why people like MacOS........what kernelrahl said.....no choice......one mouse button....and not a lot to play with..... |
| 03:12.08 | cafuego | kernelrahl: MAcOS X runs vnc and ssh just fine :-) |
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| 03:12.42 | cafuego | Lo_Meinix: it's not hard to buy a different mouse and plug it into a mac. |
| 03:12.52 | RedPenguin | I was wondering if you could check dependiences with apt-get or whatever |
| 03:13.14 | RedPenguin | I am curious because I wish to install somethings but soemtimes I get weird things |
| 03:13.17 | zarchne | That old MacOS... knew a guy who couldn't copy a file from one SCSI drive to another because he didn't have enough RAM. Floored me. |
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| 03:13.35 | RedPenguin | Like no matter how hard I try apt-get install irssi-text, it will not support SSL even if I install openssl |
| 03:13.42 | Lo_Meinix | cafuego: well, thats one OS i don't care to remember or learn....I used to support it years ago..... |
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| 03:14.45 | cafuego | Lo_Meinix: I still use it here. Works fine, doesn't crash unless you use MS software on it. |
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| 03:15.28 | lee__ | hi |
| 03:15.45 | Lo_Meinix | cafuego: imagine that....a os crashing running non-native software |
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| 03:17.04 | lee__ | can anyone explain http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=link%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.mclamb.us%2F&btnG=Search not a single one link to my site, im not complaining but im just baffled |
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| 03:17.26 | samlander | cafuego: need your help mate |
| 03:17.30 | notaricer | will building a deb from source and installing bork my system? |
| 03:17.32 | hhstnoc | how long's the site been around? |
| 03:17.37 | samlander | cafuego: my eth0 doesnt come up with the new kernel |
| 03:17.49 | cafuego | samlander: Load the right module. |
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| 03:18.00 | samlander | cafuego: im using the same module eepro100 |
| 03:18.00 | Lo_Meinix | notaricer: I would think it would make it easy to remove if it does bork your system |
| 03:18.02 | TheTom | what do i have to add in /etc/sudoers to sudo without typing a password? |
| 03:18.17 | Lo_Meinix | samlander: I also use eepro100 |
| 03:18.25 | lee__ | a year |
| 03:18.25 | cafuego | samlander: Try 'e100' |
| 03:18.27 | samlander | cafuego: although I noticed when going through modconf that mii is enabled. i tried to modprobe -r mii and i got an in use error |
| 03:18.29 | TCW | samlander, what states "ifconfig -a"? is the interface listed? |
| 03:18.50 | samlander | TCW: i tried a ifconfig eth0, and it showed some useless data |
| 03:19.01 | TCW | samlander, define "usless" |
| 03:19.03 | samlander | cafuego: I will try e100 instead. |
| 03:19.10 | Lo_Meinix | samlander: you sure you have the right driver? Try lspci to find out. |
| 03:19.11 | samlander | tcw: transmit / receive data, no ip |
| 03:19.30 | TCW | samlander, so... ifconfig eth0 <IP> |
| 03:19.45 | samlander | i just cant wrap my head around why eepro100 would work in kernel 2.4 and not 2.6 |
| 03:19.48 | samlander | odd |
| 03:20.05 | samlander | TCW: i need to reboot to the new kernel to try that... i will try both suggestions ... thanks! |
| 03:20.31 | TCW | samlander, or if ther is a dhcpd in your net is dhclient / pump / whatever to get an ip address |
| 03:20.31 | TCW | samlander, what?! |
| 03:20.31 | Lo_Meinix | samlander: try lcpci -v and tell us what comes up for your nic? |
| 03:20.33 | TCW | samlander, reboot because of what? |
| 03:20.46 | samlander | right now, im using linux(old) to come here |
| 03:20.56 | samlander | if i go into linux (2.6smp) , my eth0 wont come up |
| 03:21.00 | TCW | samlander, oh... ok... in thsi case... :) |
| 03:21.26 | TCW | samlander, static ip addresses or dhcp? |
| 03:21.34 | samlander | dhcp |
| 03:21.37 | samlander | as well.... |
| 03:21.48 | samlander | cafuego: i had partial success with the usb... |
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| 03:22.06 | TCW | samlander, it might be that you did forget some dhcp-essentials in the new kernel as well |
| 03:22.16 | samlander | cafuego: my keyboard came up no problem, but i use a gyro mouse (i dont use the keyboard that is on the same receiver) and as such my mouse is doing odd things |
| 03:22.35 | cafuego | samlander: Oh, remove usbmgr and install 'discover1' and/or 'hotplug' instead. |
| 03:22.44 | samlander | cafuego: roger that |
| 03:22.49 | cafuego | samlander: They should detect your hardware and load the right drivers. |
| 03:23.01 | samlander | what better? hotplug (which ive had issues in the past aka having to install all mods) or discver? |
| 03:23.12 | TCW | samlander, to be exact... I bet you did forget the dhcp stuff and that is the reason why you have thsi problem |
| 03:23.12 | cafuego | samlander: discover1 |
| 03:23.13 | Lo_Meinix | cafuego: what does cafuego mean? |
| 03:23.19 | TCW | this even |
| 03:23.27 | samlander | cafuego: roger |
| 03:23.34 | cafuego | Lo_Meinix: it's a kind of coffee. |
| 03:23.44 | samlander | so i am to try e100 mod , and tcw, what info did you want me to glean again? |
| 03:23.47 | cafuego | Lo_Meinix: Used to be, back in the nineties. I don't think theys ell it anymore |
| 03:23.47 | samlander | lspci? |
| 03:23.53 | Lo_Meinix | Hey thats cool....Lo Mein....soft wet nodles |
| 03:23.56 | Lo_Meinix | noodles even |
| 03:24.18 | TCW | samlander, that it would not matter at all what module you try... dhcp would NOT work untill you fix your kernel :) |
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| 03:24.41 | samlander | TCW: i dont necissary need dhcp... i would configue static if i knew how |
| 03:24.42 | TCW | samlander, but at the end... it is just a guess ;) |
| 03:24.43 | Lo_Meinix | Man, I can't wait until Sunday is done and over with....the Superbowl and all..... |
| 03:24.57 | TCW | samlander, man interfaces then |
| 03:25.01 | samlander | gotcha |
| 03:25.01 | peterS | oh, the superbowl is tomorrow, isn't it? |
| 03:25.02 | samlander | thanks |
| 03:25.03 | Lo_Meinix | My town is being taken over. |
| 03:25.20 | hhstnoc | mine too! |
| 03:25.22 | hhstnoc | corporations kick ass. |
| 03:25.34 | peterS | Lo_Meinix: you live in and around the superbowl? |
| 03:25.34 | Lo_Meinix | I've been dreading having to drive through down town all week |
| 03:25.44 | Lo_Meinix | peterS: yeah |
| 03:25.53 | peterS | heh |
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| 03:27.28 | Lo_Meinix | You know....it makes one think hard when you see a cruiseship sized private yacht with a 5+ million dollar heli on the ship's heli pad at how people make so much damned money. |
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| 03:27.43 | JoePenguin | they clip coupons |
| 03:28.02 | |ryan| | they ream the rest of socity |
| 03:28.07 | Lo_Meinix | lots of money here this week...LOTS....and then you realize...the Superbowl isn't even for you...the average NFL fan. I don't know one person going to it and I know lots of people. |
| 03:28.18 | JoePenguin | |ryan|: yeah, by providing jobs |
| 03:28.53 | notaricer | is debian designed for non-official sources.list repisitories to not break ones system? |
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| 03:29.37 | dvs | notaricer: no |
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| 03:31.39 | Charms | Can anyone help me out? I'm trying to install Debian on my computer, and the network card works fine when its directly connected to my internet connectino, but when connected through a router it refuses to work. Any advice on this? |
| 03:32.02 | |ryan| | refuses to work? |
| 03:32.04 | abrotman | Charms: static or dhcp? |
| 03:32.13 | Charms | abrotman: DHCP. |
| 03:32.18 | Lo_Meinix | Charms: "Working fine" you mean you get an IP or NOT or the card just doesn't work at all |
| 03:32.54 | |ryan| | Charms: does it work if you use ifconfig to give it an ip address manualy? |
| 03:32.55 | Charms | Lo_Meinix: When the linux box is connected directly to the cable modem, i'm able to download the linux files from the debian site just fine. |
| 03:33.09 | Charms | Lo_Meinix: However, if I attempt to connect through a router, DHCP fails. |
| 03:33.14 | abrotman | Charms: are you saying the system is already installed? |
| 03:33.15 | Charms | |ryan| nope |
| 03:33.23 | Charms | abrotman: no, its not installed. |
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| 03:33.29 | Lo_Meinix | Charms: make sure oyu don't have some kind of MAC filtering enabled on the router. |
| 03:33.49 | |ryan| | Charms: if you manualy give it an ip, can you ping your router? |
| 03:33.50 | Charms | Lo_Meinix: MAC filtering.. um.. let me check fo rthat.. the router works fine with my two windows XP boxes, btw. |
| 03:33.56 | dvs | Charms: It sounds like pppoe is configured to use the NIC. |
| 03:34.06 | Charms | |ryan|: No, I tried. I did a packet sniff, and ARP requests are received and replied to, but the linux box doesn't get them. |
| 03:34.53 | Lo_Meinix | Charms: is it a wireless AP as well? |
| 03:35.36 | Charms | Lo_Meinix: AP? This is all wired, if thats what you mean. |
| 03:35.43 | Lo_Meinix | I've seen some wireless routers mac filter machines even if they are connected by wire. |
| 03:35.45 | Charms | Lo_Meinix: Don't see anything like "MAC filtering" in the router options. |
| 03:35.55 | Charms | Lo_Meinix: Its not wireless |
| 03:36.01 | Lo_Meinix | ok |
| 03:36.17 | |ryan| | Charms: you ran tcpdump on the linux box? |
| 03:36.26 | akiru | Can anyone tell me what i need to do to get the latest version of gnome for debian using apt-get ? |
| 03:36.31 | |ryan| | try running mii-tool |
| 03:36.32 | abrotman | apt-get install gnome |
| 03:36.38 | Charms | |ryan|: let me boot up the install process again. hold on one sec. |
| 03:36.40 | |ryan| | (may not work with your nic) |
| 03:36.53 | akiru | abrotman, that doesnt work for me :/ |
| 03:37.03 | abrotman | akiru: are you on woody? |
| 03:37.04 | |ryan| | Charms: i'm not sure if mii-tool is installed by default |
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| 03:37.17 | Lo_Meinix | charms what happens if you ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0....any messages? |
| 03:37.18 | akiru | abrotman, no.. debian 3.0-r3 or something |
| 03:37.25 | abrotman | that's woody |
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| 03:37.30 | Charms | Lo_Meinix: hold in Lo_meinix, let me get the install up again. |
| 03:37.30 | akiru | oh |
| 03:37.34 | abrotman | !install woody |
| 03:37.34 | dpkg | install woody is probably http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/doc/install.en.html or http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 03:37.36 | abrotman | err |
| 03:37.39 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 03:37.39 | dpkg | install gnome is, like, in woody: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sarge and sid: apt-get install gnome |
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| 03:37.43 | samlander | success |
| 03:37.46 | Lo_Meinix | Charms: ok man, take your time but hurry up |
| 03:37.48 | samlander | i found out what the problem was |
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| 03:38.00 | samlander | when i upgraded the kernel to 2.6smp, dhconfig stopped working |
| 03:38.03 | mlalkaka | hi all |
| 03:38.03 | Charms | Lo_Meinix: Not sure how i cna do both at once... i am moving as fast as i can. |
| 03:38.14 | Lo_Meinix | Charms: FASTER! |
| 03:38.15 | samlander | by setting the interface to static, that allowed my eth0 to come up again |
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| 03:38.23 | Lo_Meinix | whip even |
| 03:38.28 | akiru | ok abrotman thanks ill give that a go |
| 03:38.28 | Charms | Lo_Meinix: i'm limited by the speed of my floppy drive and pentium 133 =/ |
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| 03:38.30 | f00f | whos the guy with the network problem? |
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| 03:38.38 | mlalkaka | is there a centralized way of updating the menu so that the changes take effect in all wm/environments? |
| 03:38.39 | samlander | f00f: solved it ;) |
| 03:38.39 | Rob_on_Windoze | Is a firewall necessary for my PC ? PC is used for lots of browsing |
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| 03:38.54 | samlander | Rob_on_Windoze: using windows? most definately |
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| 03:39.02 | Rob_on_Windoze | samlander : nono debian sarge |
| 03:39.05 | samlander | ah |
| 03:39.09 | samlander | Rob_on_Windoze: still a good idea |
| 03:39.12 | f00f | even linux i would say yes |
| 03:39.27 | f00f | i just feel weird about leaving SSH ports open |
| 03:39.30 | drac | Rob_on_Windoze: Try 'firestarter' out, or if you are not using X, try 'shorewall' |
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| 03:39.39 | Rob_on_Windoze | well, yeah...apt-get install shorewall ? |
| 03:39.53 | akiru | abrotman, also, what does the -t flag do for apt-get ? |
| 03:39.55 | kernelrahl | how do I mount a remote directory, or is there something else I can do? |
| 03:40.02 | Lo_Meinix | Rob_on_Windoze: yes....if it's windows at least all they'll do is use your system to spam or ddos.....if it's linux then they'll use it to spam, ddos and infiltrate other systems. |
| 03:40.04 | abrotman | akiru: man apt-get ? |
| 03:40.15 | samlander | f00f: what say you? im using sarge too.. and am behind a nat firewall (router)... still think i need a software solution too? |
| 03:40.49 | Rob_on_Windoze | samlander : Not necessary if ure behind hardware |
| 03:41.06 | kernelrahl | trying to get my music folder easily usable on my wife new machine!! ;) |
| 03:41.16 | kernelrahl | I mean old A#$ machien |
| 03:41.23 | Rob_on_Windoze | samlander : Its gonna slow ure dl speeds if u install a software solution |
| 03:41.27 | cafuego | kernelrahl: nfs |
| 03:41.34 | samlander | smb? |
| 03:41.42 | Lo_Meinix | kernelrahl: well...it's new to her, right....thats all that counts... |
| 03:41.58 | samlander | maybe if i have some ambition next weekend ill install xebian |
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| 03:42.24 | kernelrahl | cauego: nfs? Nework file system...going to have to read up on that...is it hard to setup? |
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| 03:42.30 | samlander | alrighty then... on to my usb woes... |
| 03:42.32 | samlander | bbiab |
| 03:42.57 | kernelrahl | Lo_meinix: I wish that was the case...she is used to my machine now...this will be a few years behind any trackable curve. |
| 03:43.05 | f00f | everything is easy on linux |
| 03:43.06 | f00f | :) |
| 03:43.10 | kernelrahl | lol |
| 03:43.12 | quittt | how do I mix sounds? |
| 03:43.16 | Rob_on_Windoze | How to list the packages (from terminal) from aptitude? Something like "COLUMNS =200 _______"..can anyone complete it for me? Ive forgotten it |
| 03:43.49 | Lo_Meinix | Rob_on_Windoze: the packages installed? dpkg -l....the packages available for install apt-cache search <package> |
| 03:43.51 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: Okay, i'm in now. its trying to establish DHCP with the newly installed driver for my realtek PCI ethernet card. it will fail of course.. then i'll go into the console. what doy ou want me to type in again? |
| 03:44.06 | f00f | do i have to manually statically link it to libutil or what? |
| 03:44.10 | f00f | oops wrong channel |
| 03:44.14 | Lo_Meinix | Charmy: oh....realtek....never met a realtek card I liked. |
| 03:44.16 | nvz | Lo_Meinix: run aptitude without arguments, its an interactive package manager. |
| 03:44.21 | nvz | Rob_on_Windoze: ^ |
| 03:44.30 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: if it makes you feel better, my 3com isa card didn't work either. |
| 03:44.37 | toresbe | &/win 47 |
| 03:44.38 | Rob_on_Windoze | nvz : But searching in aptitude is a headache |
| 03:44.39 | toresbe | argh |
| 03:44.45 | |ryan| | hey |
| 03:44.52 | |ryan| | i need some help, here |
| 03:44.53 | Rob_on_Windoze | nvz : Ill probably get synoptic |
| 03:44.55 | |ryan| | I'm installing sarge |
| 03:44.56 | f00f | Charmy: do you have iptables? |
| 03:45.03 | Charmy | foof: what are iptables? |
| 03:45.10 | |ryan| | and I'm using a serial console |
| 03:45.14 | nvz | Rob_on_Windoze: yeah oh boy, its like pressing / or something ... heh yeah synaptic is decent, but its not going to run in a terminal |
| 03:45.18 | Lo_Meinix | nvz: aptitude? unknown command here. |
| 03:45.28 | |ryan| | I need to have grub tell the kernel to use a serial console. |
| 03:45.37 | Lo_Meinix | apt-cache reqs. options |
| 03:45.46 | nvz | Lo_Meinix: you using woody? |
| 03:45.47 | |ryan| | but if i hit e at grub, it does not work. |
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| 03:45.49 | Lo_Meinix | yeah |
| 03:45.55 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: Btw, ifdown and ifup don't exist as commands in this prompt |
| 03:46.06 | Lo_Meinix | Charmy: what are you running? |
| 03:46.11 | Rob_on_Windoze | nvz : Ive got XC |
| 03:46.13 | Lo_Meinix | Charmy: uname -a |
| 03:46.17 | Rob_on_Windoze | nvz : sorry 'X' |
| 03:46.18 | samlander | odd... bleeding odd. |
| 03:46.19 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: Stable Woody floppy disks for net install |
| 03:46.33 | samlander | cafuego: i've installed discover1, with no hitch on the keyboard. |
| 03:46.40 | samlander | mouse is still f**ked |
| 03:46.43 | Lo_Meinix | Charmy: oh...you're installing, nm.... |
| 03:46.49 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: that commandreturns linux (none) 2.2.20-idepci |
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| 03:47.03 | Rob_on_Windoze | My advice for people with relatively newer computers ( > 2001) ---DONT INSTALL WOODY! |
| 03:47.17 | Charmy | Rob_on_Windoze: this computer is 10 years old. |
| 03:47.34 | Rob_on_Windoze | Charmy : <shrug> well go ahead then |
| 03:47.35 | f00f | lol woody |
| 03:47.41 | nvz | Rob_on_Windoze: if you use synaptic, dpkg-reconfigure debconf, and change it to gnome dialog frontend. I also like to install sudo and configure it to allow me to run synaptic, and/or gnome-sudo, it recommends gksu, which I dont like. |
| 03:47.48 | f00f | Charmy: use sarge |
| 03:47.59 | Charmy | f00f: Sarge doesn't work either, I tried it. |
| 03:48.15 | Rob_on_Windoze | Charmy : did you try woody? |
| 03:48.16 | f00f | debian lingo: stable = too old. unstable = stable. testing = unstable. |
| 03:48.17 | Charmy | f00f: Hehe, believe me.. i've been working on this for 15 hours now without success |
| 03:48.21 | Charmy | Rob_on_Windoze: Thats what i'm trying right now. |
| 03:48.26 | f00f | Charmy: you have iptables no? |
| 03:48.29 | f00f | or ipchains? |
| 03:48.35 | Charmy | f00f: I don't know what iptables are, or ipchains, you'll have to explain. |
| 03:48.51 | f00f | iptables is how you do routing in linu |
| 03:48.53 | nvz | oy I think I need to just lay down and pass out.. I feel like shyte |
| 03:48.54 | Lo_Meinix | f00f I think he's installing debian.... |
| 03:48.54 | f00f | *linubx |
| 03:48.58 | f00f | *linux |
| 03:49.01 | f00f | Lo_Meinix: ahh ok |
| 03:49.04 | Charmy | f00f: I'm installing right now. |
| 03:49.07 | akiru | abrotman, that command installed gnome 1.4 |
| 03:49.08 | f00f | Charmy: all i can think of right now is a bad driver |
| 03:49.15 | akiru | abrotman, any chance of getting the 2.x series? |
| 03:49.18 | bluefoxicy | f00f: I tried to get him to try ubuntu, but the machine doesn't boot from CD either :/ I think someone should stick grub to a floppy and make it able to eltorito chainload a CD |
| 03:49.22 | Rob_on_Windoze | Well I had a bad experience with woody.... |
| 03:49.28 | Charmy | f00f: But F00f, as i said before, i can connect to the debian mirrors and download ust fine if the NIC connects DIRECTLY to the cable modem |
| 03:49.30 | Lo_Meinix | bad driver or you just need to use ifconfig to config the adapter |
| 03:49.32 | Rob_on_Windoze | It screwed up the LCD display on my laptop |
| 03:49.35 | Charmy | f00f: The problem is only in that it doesn't cooperate wiht my network. |
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| 03:49.46 | Eagle101 | help. if i am compiling something, and it gives me an error and i fix it, then will it start to compile from the bigenning or where it left off.??? |
| 03:49.47 | toresbe | woody is stable, just s/b// |
| 03:49.54 | f00f | Charmy: have you tried other ports on the router etc? |
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| 03:50.02 | Lo_Meinix | Charmy: why not connect it directly to the modem (since you said that worked) and install that way....? |
| 03:50.03 | Charmy | f00f: Yes, I have. The router works fine with my winxp machines. |
| 03:50.08 | kernelrahl | Eagle101: from the beginning |
| 03:50.15 | |ryan| | crap |
| 03:50.24 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: I can do that, yes, but the value of hte machine is non-existant if i can't get it cooperating with the rest of my network. I have 4 machines here wanting to use my internet connection. |
| 03:50.24 | Rob_on_Windoze | Charmy : What MODEM have you got |
| 03:50.30 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: I can't have Linux use it directly, of course. |
| 03:50.33 | Eagle101 | kernelrahl: so if it had been compiling for 3 hours, then i wasted 3 hours...? |
| 03:50.34 | kernelrahl | someone correct me if I am wrong |
| 03:50.35 | Lo_Meinix | Charmy: then once installed you will havemore flexibility to fix the dhcp problem. |
| 03:50.44 | Charmy | Rob_on_Windoze: Uh.. i have no modem on this. |
| 03:50.57 | Charmy | Rob_on_Windoze: if you mean dial-up modem |
| 03:51.20 | Rob_on_Windoze | Charmy : Nope your DSL modem if ure comp is the only one on the network |
| 03:51.26 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: is that true? Will i be more likely to fix it from a complete install than from the install console? |
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| 03:51.30 | |ryan| | ok |
| 03:51.40 | kernelrahl | abrotman: Is Eagle101 stuck? |
| 03:51.42 | |ryan| | i'm in the expert debian-installer mode |
| 03:51.42 | Charmy | Rob_on_Windoze: I have a terayon cable modem, Rob |
| 03:51.46 | |ryan| | I'm at a shell |
| 03:51.48 | Lo_Meinix | Charmy: lets just say you'll have more tools to examine the problem at the least. |
| 03:51.55 | |ryan| | I need to mount my root partition. |
| 03:51.57 | akiru | Is there anyone here that can help me install the latest gnome on my debian-woody install? So far all ive been able to install is gnome 1.4 |
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| 03:52.08 | |ryan| | mount /dev/hda1 /mnt is a no go... |
| 03:52.11 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: okay, so your suggestion is that i plug the cable modem directly into the linux box for now, get the machine installed, and then hook back up against, and ask again? |
| 03:52.11 | kernelrahl | Eagle101: I want to make sure before I let you run with my answer |
| 03:52.12 | carrett | hi. i'm using blackbox and i tried to set the font for my style as anorexia (from the xfonts-artwiz package) and everything's fine except that it displays 4s instead of spaces...anyone have a clue why that could be? |
| 03:52.13 | |ryan| | anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:52.25 | Lo_Meinix | Charmy: right |
| 03:52.26 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: erm.. hook back up again.. not against c.c |
| 03:52.33 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: Heh, okay, will do. |
| 03:52.41 | carrett | actually, it displays fours between every character, even if there isn't a space between them |
| 03:52.41 | Charmy | Lo_Meinix: Ill be back in a bit then.. |
| 03:52.57 | Eagle101 | kernelrahl: i guess i am stuck...lol...i am new to the linux world. |
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| 03:53.53 | kernelrahl | Eagle101: in other Os compiling does not mean everything. compilers check for changes. |
| 03:54.05 | kernelrahl | Eagle101: that is why I want someone else in on this one |
| 03:54.18 | Lo_Meinix | in on what? |
| 03:54.38 | kernelrahl | Eagle101 has a question about compiling |
| 03:54.53 | kernelrahl | He had and error...does that mean when he starts the compile again it will compile everything? |
| 03:54.59 | toresbe | np |
| 03:55.01 | toresbe | no* |
| 03:55.07 | Eagle101 | Lo_meinix: if i am compiling something, and it gives me an error and i fix it, then will it start to compile from the bigenning or where it left off.??? |
| 03:55.09 | |ryan| | anyone? |
| 03:55.19 | f00f | Eagle101: no |
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| 03:55.24 | kernelrahl | It checks for changes right? |
| 03:55.27 | Lo_Meinix | kernelrahl: um...it's always been my experience that if a compile fails you start the compile over when you think you fixed the problem. |
| 03:55.34 | abrotman | Eagle101: depends on the make file |
| 03:55.44 | nvz | no it not a valid answer to a question containg the word or and not the word no |
| 03:55.46 | abrotman | Eagle101: but it's usually better to make clean first |
| 03:55.56 | Lo_Meinix | kernelrahl: but, most of my stuff I compile are drivers and such. |
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| 03:56.24 | doublehp | $ alsaplayer -o alsa -d ossmix file.mp3 => Failed to load output plugin "alsa". Trying defaults. ; what can be wrong ? |
| 03:56.42 | kernelrahl | Eagle101: have to get their attention sometimes :) |
| 03:56.52 | kernelrahl | Eagle101: then they get on your answer! |
| 03:56.58 | Eagle101 | abrotman: because i am installing kde from konstruct...and it compiles for 12 hours or so...and it has been compiling for 3 hours, and now all the suden it gave me an error and i fixed it, so i was wondering did i waste those 3 hours or it checks and starts where it left off? |
| 03:57.16 | Eagle101 | kernelrahl: yea man, thanks |
| 03:57.21 | dvs | Eagle101: It depends on the makefile and what you fixed |
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| 03:57.26 | kernelrahl | Eagle101: np |
| 03:57.33 | samlander | does anyone here use a gyration gyro-mouse/keyboard? |
| 03:58.08 | sussudio | !irritate samlander |
| 03:58.09 | rachelw | i'm not root so i can't use apt where can i download libwww-perl for debian? |
| 03:58.09 | dpkg | samlander: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 03:58.22 | abrotman | Eagle101: then ask #kde .... |
| 03:58.39 | abrotman | nvz: would you like a yinzersmiting!!?? |
| 03:58.43 | Eagle101 | abrotman: they all are some di**s |
| 03:58.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:58.54 | samlander | haha |
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| 03:59.06 | Lo_Meinix | Eagle101: it's a moot question really....because if it picks up where it left off then you're question is answered, if it doesn't then there is nothing you can do about it..... |
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| 03:59.20 | rachelw | anyone? |
| 03:59.20 | nvz | samlander: polls arent on-topic here, try google, lists.debian.org or something if you want to know if people use it |
| 03:59.28 | mr_tenor | rachaelw: http://packages.debian.org/testing/perl/libwww-perl for instance |
| 03:59.53 | Lo_Meinix | I did compile X once.....long compile....failed multiple times, never seemed to pick up when it left off to me. |
| 03:59.57 | nvz | samlander: for rare hardware google and lists.debian.org provide a wider audience anyhow. |
| 04:00.00 | samlander | nvz: more specifically, im looking for help to get the damn thing working |
| 04:00.08 | Lo_Meinix | and that was on my k6-2 450mhz |
| 04:00.24 | samlander | nvz: discover found it, however i only have y axis movement, and x axis movement when i push a mousebutton |
| 04:00.25 | mr_tenor | rachaelw: you can search packages.debian.org/ for the stable or unstable ones if that's what you're after |
| 04:00.44 | abrotman | rachelw: packages.debian.org |
| 04:00.50 | rachelw | mr_tenor yes, thanks |
| 04:00.51 | Eagle101 | Lo_Meinix: yea i know, but if it starts from beginning then kde sucks, naw just kidding, lol |
| 04:00.54 | nvz | samlander: yeah well you can ask google if anyone uses it, and see how they did it, or post to the most relevant mailing list, and wait a few hours |
| 04:01.10 | nvz | samlander: mailing lists are best for hardware issues |
| 04:01.16 | Lo_Meinix | Eagle101: but there is nothing you can do about it...no sense worrying about it |
| 04:01.23 | Lo_Meinix | Eagle101: just do what oyu gotta do. |
| 04:01.27 | samlander | hmmm. maybe if i install links... |
| 04:01.29 | samlander | bbiab |
| 04:02.04 | nvz | abrotman: whatever muffin man... |
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| 04:03.57 | nvz | man I dont know why I feel like this.. my body feels exausted I only walked like 2miles tops if that |
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| 04:04.02 | samlander | bah, im a yutz... |
| 04:04.07 | samlander | bleedin simple... |
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| 04:04.19 | nvz | heh |
| 04:04.21 | samlander | what's the command again to get dpkg to configure x? |
| 04:04.26 | nvz | !yinzersmite samlander |
| 04:04.38 | nvz | samlander: dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:04.44 | samlander | ty |
| 04:04.53 | FlimFlamMan | yinzer? |
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| 04:06.26 | rachelw | do you know how i can set that to make to a local dir instead cause i don't have root |
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| 04:07.43 | nvz | what are you referring to, rachel? |
| 04:07.58 | rachelw | libwww-perl |
| 04:08.10 | nvz | rachelw: you want to download and install something? |
| 04:08.28 | nvz | and you do not have root permissions? |
| 04:08.35 | rachelw | yea |
| 04:08.50 | rachelw | and it doesn't have a ./configure for me to change prefix |
| 04:09.10 | nvz | thats not going to happen :P short of building an entire chroot |
| 04:09.27 | nvz | you need to talk to your admin |
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| 04:09.41 | rachelw | he is too busy thats why i have to do it |
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| 04:09.50 | rachelw | i tried with cpan but i got errors in the make |
| 04:09.55 | rachelw | so i have to try to do it manually |
| 04:10.00 | nvz | then he should have given you sudo permission to install things |
| 04:10.38 | nvz | he really wont have time if you were able to sucessfully install something without permission, because he'd have a whole new set of problems |
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| 04:11.32 | rachelw | i installed irssi fine, it is possible and he doesn't mind he is just too busy to be doing it he works 2 full time jobs |
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| 04:12.45 | rachelw | nvm its in the README thanks |
| 04:12.47 | Roey | hello |
| 04:13.19 | nvz | hello |
| 04:13.24 | quittt | is /etc/asound.conf in debian? |
| 04:13.26 | Roey | does Debian offer any facility to help one figure out which processes are thrashing the disk? I tried iostat, vmstat, atop -- they don't seem to be very useful in this regard. |
| 04:14.01 | Roey | Sometimes the disk starts IOing but top and atop don't list anything useful |
| 04:14.33 | nvz | feels like my muscles were replaced with cement |
| 04:15.18 | nvz | if I thought I could get my ass up and take my belt and stuff off I would go to bed |
| 04:15.21 | Roey | nvz: heh... just came back from gym? |
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| 04:15.34 | samlander | woot! |
| 04:15.47 | dvs | woot, eh? |
| 04:15.49 | nvz | nope I took a short walk around town.. but I have no idea why I am so tired all of a sudden |
| 04:15.56 | samlander | woot indeed |
| 04:16.21 | dvs | samlander: What are we wooting about? |
| 04:16.23 | samlander | usbmouse and usbkbd == bad |
| 04:16.28 | samlander | usbhid == good ! |
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| 04:16.44 | dvs | samlander: I could have told you that. |
| 04:16.57 | samlander | lol |
| 04:16.57 | nvz | I never heard of usbhid |
| 04:17.29 | nvz | I use hid, input, usbkbd, usbmouse, uhci for my wireless keyboard and mouse |
| 04:17.32 | samlander | usbhid == able to tell the difference between keyboard/mouse input on a combined receiver |
| 04:17.46 | netcat | nvz: hid = human interface device |
| 04:17.59 | nvz | I know what hid is, and the driver in my kernel is called hid |
| 04:18.00 | samlander | at least where gyration equipment is concered ;) |
| 04:18.04 | nvz | not usbhid |
| 04:18.06 | Thaiger | If I use an emulator like bochs or qemu or something can I still use my modem? |
| 04:18.33 | nvz | and like I said I need all 3 for mine to work |
| 04:18.39 | nvz | so its not like one is better than the other |
| 04:18.54 | samlander | and i had to switch the x input to /dev/mice |
| 04:19.03 | nvz | /dev/input/mice |
| 04:19.10 | samlander | whatever ;) |
| 04:19.35 | samlander | eitherway, my usb keyboard and mouse work good now, that's all I care about. |
| 04:19.39 | dvs | /dev/input/mice |
| 04:20.14 | samlander | could be worse... i could be a complete n00b, and not even know what a module was... |
| 04:20.20 | dvs | samlander: What are you gonna mess with next? |
| 04:20.37 | samlander | im just trying to assimlate and remember ALOT of stuff that i have forgotten over the past year |
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| 04:20.46 | samlander | dvs: prolly get my raid up and running |
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| 04:21.20 | samlander | trying to decide if it is worth setting up straight stripping, or if it is worth it to enable parity |
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| 04:23.31 | TheTom | i wanna run sudo without typing pass. man, man sudoers is heavy shit :/ |
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| 04:24.49 | doublehp | plz any one : in which package is esddsp ? |
| 04:25.35 | toresbe | TheTom: /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/sudoers? |
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| 04:26.02 | cg0def | I have a problem with /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure and I can't find a way to reinstall debconf |
| 04:26.10 | cafuego | !find esddsp |
| 04:26.12 | cg0def | can someone pls help me |
| 04:26.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'esddsp' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/esddsp) in sound/esound-clients ;; (/usr/lib/{libesddsp.so.0|libesddsp.so.0.2.35}) in libs/libesd-alsa0,libs/libesd0. |
| 04:26.57 | TheTom | toresbe: thanx.. _tom ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL:_ ? |
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| 04:27.39 | doublehp | !find girls |
| 04:27.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'girls' (1 shown): (/usr/share/doc/felt/examples/bicycle_girls.flt) in science/felt. |
| 04:27.55 | toresbe | TheTom: I should assume so |
| 04:28.03 | toresbe | !find wimminz |
| 04:28.14 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'wimminz' returned no results. |
| 04:28.31 | cafuego | !botabuse |
| 04:28.31 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 04:28.37 | toresbe | tehre ar no wimminz in debian :( |
| 04:28.52 | toresbe | Let's hope debian-women fixes this :P |
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| 04:31.05 | samlander | what mod do i need to enable sound in x? (using live value card) |
| 04:31.16 | cafuego | samlander: no |
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| 04:31.34 | samlander | cafuego: ? Im assuming i asked the wrong question |
| 04:31.53 | cafuego | samlander: Yes. |
| 04:31.59 | cafuego | samlander: Do you run Gnome or KDE? |
| 04:32.03 | samlander | blackbox |
| 04:32.10 | cafuego | samlander: Cool. Any sound server? |
| 04:32.17 | samlander | not yet |
| 04:32.34 | cafuego | samlander: 'snd-emu10k1' for ALSA or 'emu10k1' for OSS. |
| 04:32.39 | cafuego | Both work fine. |
| 04:32.43 | samlander | kk |
| 04:34.59 | samlander | ty cafuego |
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| 04:35.33 | toresbe | hahaha, fortune -m Diamondback |
| 04:35.53 | dan2 | cafuego: hey |
| 04:36.02 | doublehp | cafuego: next time, could you ask dpkg to highlite me when asking for me ? |
| 04:36.55 | cafuego | doublehp: eh? |
| 04:37.39 | dan2 | cafuego: C# > Java ? |
| 04:37.53 | dan2 | cafuego: java _suckx_ |
| 04:37.56 | dan2 | sucks even |
| 04:38.24 | cafuego | dan2: yes, command line php is much quicker. |
| 04:38.34 | kernelrahl | abrotman: night...time to watch the movie ;) |
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| 04:39.15 | abrotman | later |
| 04:39.18 | samlander | cafuego: n00b question.. what command to decompress .tar.gz into its own directory? |
| 04:39.40 | cafuego | samlander: mkdir foo; cd foo; tar xfz ../foo.tar.gz |
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| 04:39.58 | dan2 | cafuego: try doing VoIP with java, its absolute hell |
| 04:40.07 | samlander | cafuego: ty |
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| 04:40.18 | dan2 | cafuego: all of the voip libraries are shit, and the jmf is the only rtp one which is by far the worst thing sun pulled out of their ass |
| 04:40.48 | altbs4 | I'm trying to get my wlan working on debian with driverloader, It calls for the Kernel source. Where is the best place to get the same source as the sarge release of debian? |
| 04:41.20 | samlander | im prolly gonna need my headers to install this, how do i get my exact kernel ver agian? |
| 04:41.36 | cafuego | dan2: that's coz VoIP is shit. |
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| 04:41.58 | dan2 | cafuego: tell that to all the new startup companies making lots of money off of it |
| 04:42.00 | samlander | iirc its somewhere in proc |
| 04:42.24 | samlander | got it |
| 04:42.36 | cafuego | dan2: Tell that to all the users whose computers run buggy-as-mirabilis-iqc VoIP software. |
| 04:42.42 | samlander | i remembered... holy crap |
| 04:42.49 | jstevens | pulling a brain fart here... what's the command to view the output from the kernel from boot? |
| 04:42.49 | dan2 | cafuego: its particularly the rtp stack that kills me |
| 04:43.02 | dan2 | cafuego: oh, they are morons, get real hardware voip stuff |
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| 04:45.08 | jstevens | NVM... it just popped back into my head |
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| 04:46.24 | samlander | exit |
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| 04:51.34 | TCW | did miss it... what was the problem with samlanders eth0? |
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| 04:53.29 | molten | Any one use pay-to-play pop3 account that you are reasonably satisfied with? |
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| 04:58.06 | nEmiSH | having a problem with usb-storage |
| 04:58.25 | nEmiSH | usb-storage is in process list [usb-storage] but i can't kill it |
| 04:58.37 | nEmiSH | rmmod usb-storage says not valid module |
| 04:59.38 | nvz | I am trying to help someone setup a bootloader for a dual boot. if I say boot=/dev/hdb in lilo to install lilo to hdb, and root=/dev/hdb1 then swap the drives, so that the drive hdb that lilo was installed to is now the master and boots the system and the linux drive hda that is currently running is then /dev/hdb1 the slave? would that work? |
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| 05:01.08 | nvz | I.e. is the boot= only read by lilo(1) when installing the bootloader? |
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| 05:02.57 | Nurbs_ | If I recall correctly then yes |
| 05:03.20 | dawg | nvz, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html might be helpful |
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| 05:04.45 | Roey | in Debian, when I close X remotely (through SSH), the System stays 'stuck' on that dead tty(f7's tty). No alt-f<1-10> will change it to anohter tty. So is there a command to do this that I could execute remotely? |
| 05:04.53 | NosaJ | I am having a hang on halt, can anyone explain possible reasons? |
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| 05:06.11 | littlefoot | how can I completely shut down X under debian |
| 05:06.30 | swatikiss | yafa |
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| 05:06.53 | vulture | littlefoot: just shut down your display manager probably |
| 05:06.59 | vulture | /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 05:07.09 | Charmy | lo_meinix:Hey, you still around? |
| 05:07.10 | vulture | for some value of '?' (probably k, g, or x) |
| 05:08.34 | Charmy | Can anyone help e with my Debian install? ij ust completed successfully an install of Woody, which is happily running on my linux box.. but I can't get the computer to cooperate with the rest of the network and work wiht my router. The internet only works on that machine when its directly connected to my cable modem. |
| 05:08.40 | Charmy | Anyone have any advice on how to get it to work with my network setup? |
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| 05:10.56 | vulture | Charmy: how is "the rest of the network" setup? |
| 05:11.34 | Charmy | vulture: I have a netgear RP114 hardware router, with the WAN port connected to my terayon cable modem |
| 05:11.55 | Charmy | vulture: I have four computers connected to the router. 3 are windows xp machines, the 4th is my new woody install |
| 05:11.56 | littlefoot | thanks |
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| 05:12.21 | Charmy | vulture: Everyone else does internet/file sharing no problem. I tried switching ports, it didn't help, nor did switching cables. |
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| 05:12.26 | Pai | dose any one have a diablo 2 lod cdkey i can have please |
| 05:12.28 | vulture | Charmy: and the windows boxes are configure to use DHCP? as is the woody box? |
| 05:12.32 | Charmy | vulture: I also tried switching NICs as well. all the hardware seems just fine. |
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| 05:12.37 | JRWR | how do i setup a PCMCIA card 56k modem |
| 05:12.39 | vulture | Charmy: do you have link? (the link lights)? |
| 05:12.52 | Charmy | vulture: everything is set up as DHCP, yes. I have link lihgts as well, yes. |
| 05:13.02 | Charmy | vulture: However, I don't know how to setup Linux for DHCP. I am completely a newbie to Linux |
| 05:13.17 | Charmy | vulture: all i know is that it refused to install via network unless i connected it directly to the cable modem, which I DID for the install |
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| 05:13.24 | Charmy | vulture: but now that its installed, i want to get it to work with my network |
| 05:13.28 | Charmy | vulture: how that is done, i have no clue. |
| 05:13.32 | JRWR | its a 3COM |
| 05:13.54 | vulture | Charmy: what's in your /etc/network/interfaces? what does ifconfig say? (paste the results in #flood) |
| 05:14.22 | Charmy | vulture: I can't paste the results.. as that computer cannot access the internet yet.. |
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| 05:14.49 | Charmy | vulture: i guess what i can do is pipe the results to a file and transfer it on a disk |
| 05:14.58 | Biocorporation | does anyone know if there is a issue with tc-filer on 2.6.7 ? I keep getting this error " RTNETLINK answers: File exists" |
| 05:15.01 | vulture | Charmy: something like that |
| 05:15.05 | tbfg | Charmy in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:15.25 | tbfg | there should be a line like "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
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| 05:15.49 | tbfg | a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and dhcp should work |
| 05:16.35 | ilveroluca | Charmy: don't forget a line that says "auto eth0" so that the system will automatically bring up your network interface |
| 05:17.32 | Mmmmm | hi, i'll like to know if I can create and run anacron jobs as a regular user |
| 05:17.36 | Charmy | tbfg: I'll try that tbfg |
| 05:17.42 | Mmmmm | --thanks |
| 05:17.47 | nvz | if I dpkg --get-selections > file, how do I go about installing that whole list of packages I save on another machine? |
| 05:18.13 | Charmy | tbfg: that line does exist in the interfaces file |
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| 05:20.10 | TCW | Charmy, the line which states "iface eth0 inet dhcp" too? |
| 05:20.42 | JRWR | How do i install/config a PCMCIA modem. It's a 3COM Megahertz 56k Cellular Modem PC Card Model # 3CXM556 |
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| 05:21.02 | TCW | JRWR, is it recognised by cardmgr? |
| 05:21.05 | Charmy | TCW: huh? there are two lines? |
| 05:21.13 | JRWR | I dont know |
| 05:21.19 | nvz | something like cat file | dpkg --set-selections && apt-get -f install or what? |
| 05:21.30 | Charmy | vulture: bah, i can't get the files to you. i've tried mounting my flopppy drive using mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy, but it doesn't work =/ |
| 05:21.45 | JRWR | <== Debian noob |
| 05:21.50 | TCW | Charmy, ther should be two lines, yes... one saying "bring that interface up when the system boots up" and another one which says "how" it should be set up. |
| 05:22.16 | TCW | Charmy, mount it as "msdos" |
| 05:22.29 | TCW | JRWR, omg! :) |
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| 05:22.51 | Charmy | TCW: the interfaces file has the following lines: auto lo; iface lo inet loopback; auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 05:23.21 | TCW | Charmy, so its ok I think, at least for /etc/network/interfaces ;) |
| 05:23.23 | Charmy | TCW: mounting as msdos doesn't help either |
| 05:23.35 | TCW | Charmy, what is the errormessage you get? |
| 05:23.46 | Charmy | TCW; says wrong fstpye, bad option, badsuperblock on /dev/fd0, or too many mounted file systems |
| 05:23.49 | javier | alguien habla español? |
| 05:23.54 | Charmy | TCW: can't find a valid msdos filesystem on dev 02:00 |
| 05:24.06 | TCW | Charmy, is the floppy formatted? |
| 05:24.10 | Charmy | TCW: yes. |
| 05:24.17 | TCW | Charmy, sure? :) |
| 05:24.25 | Charmy | TCW: these are the debian install floppies i used to make the system in the first place, so yes, i am quite sure |
| 05:24.43 | bluefoxicy | -t auto |
| 05:24.49 | bluefoxicy | it takes a bit longer |
| 05:24.49 | TCW | Charmy, err... if they are the debian install floppies, they are not msdos formated |
| 05:25.05 | Charmy | TCW: well, if thats the case.. then what should I type? I tried nothing, didn't work. |
| 05:25.18 | bluefoxicy | Charmy: -t auto |
| 05:25.24 | TCW | Charmy, if you try nothing... nothing will work either :p |
| 05:25.30 | bluefoxicy | it tries every fs type until it hits |
| 05:25.35 | bluefoxicy | interestingly |
| 05:25.37 | Charmy | TCW: i tried -t auto, didn't work |
| 05:25.42 | bluefoxicy | sheet. |
| 05:25.48 | javier | hola como configuro un modem amigo en ipcop??? |
| 05:25.49 | steve2 | Hi, I'm having problems building packages on sarge. I do dpkg --build package |
| 05:25.53 | TCW | bluefoxicy, if it is not msdos formated, how should he read it on a Windows box? :) |
| 05:26.11 | TCW | Charmy, mkfs.msdos /dev/fd0 |
| 05:26.23 | bluefoxicy | I hate msdos, I always mount "msdos" fs as vfat o_O because vfat gets mounted msdos automatically for some odd reason |
| 05:26.29 | steve2 | and dpkg-deb says I don't have a package/DEBIAN/control, I have a package/debian/control (lowercase, not upper. |
| 05:27.04 | TCW | bluefoxicy, you are free to do whatever you want to ;) |
| 05:27.07 | tbfg | steve2 case does matter in unix file systems |
| 05:27.17 | zarchne | javier: #debian-es ? |
| 05:27.49 | bluefoxicy | TCW: it's just annoying when "mount -t auto /dev/sda /mnt/usb0" has things like ocremi~1, and "mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/usb0" has ocremix, or such |
| 05:28.00 | Charmy | TCW: i typed mkfs msdos /dev/fd0 and it says mkfs.ext2 bad blocks count - /dev/fd0 |
| 05:28.04 | bluefoxicy | especially when making fat32 with mkfs.vfat |
| 05:28.09 | JRWR | in KDE sys guard it sees Io and sl0 |
| 05:28.12 | bluefoxicy | and it goes "oh msdos :o" |
| 05:28.27 | TCW | Charmy, mkfs.msdos <- exactly as typed! |
| 05:28.30 | JRWR | is sI0 my card? |
| 05:28.46 | steve2 | tbfg: but why does what I download with apt-get source package have a lowercase debian, but the build tool want's an uppercase DEBIAN? |
| 05:28.53 | TCW | JRWR, no |
| 05:29.18 | JRWR | then how do i tell if cardmgr is picking up my card |
| 05:29.20 | tbfg | steve2 perhaps it no real debian stuff in there ? |
| 05:29.36 | Mmmmm | anacron jobs as regular user, anybody? |
| 05:29.40 | Charmy | TCW: mkfs.msdos -> command not found |
| 05:29.51 | TCW | Charmy, oho! :) |
| 05:29.55 | Charmy | TCW: I am screwed? |
| 05:30.04 | TCW | Charmy, maybe ;) |
| 05:30.09 | Charmy | TCW: ;_; |
| 05:30.21 | TCW | Charmy, format that disk on a windows box |
| 05:30.28 | Charmy | okay.. i'll try.. |
| 05:30.39 | TCW | Charmy, why try? just do! ;=) |
| 05:30.54 | tbfg | steve2 well that is not the problem |
| 05:31.14 | steve2 | tbfg: no, there's debian stuff there, I've linked debian->DEBIAN, then it complains about a blank line in the control file, |
| 05:31.33 | drac | Charmy: just install package 'dosfstools' and you get mkfs.msdos |
| 05:31.36 | zarchne | Mmmmm: maybe run anacron (from crontab) as that user? Or su to the user in the script? |
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| 05:31.53 | tbfg | steve2 the debian specific files are very strict about theire synthax, so if you don't get it right there will be a problem |
| 05:31.59 | steve2 | I hacked one to get closer, but finally copies the configure line out of the debian/rules file, and then the cc command |
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| 05:32.23 | BBearr | hello |
| 05:32.35 | tbfg | steve2 what do you try to packages ? |
| 05:32.49 | steve2 | The only file I change in the debian Directory is the changelog. |
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| 05:33.28 | steve2 | apt-get source packagname; edit c file and debian/changelog; dpkg --build package |
| 05:33.54 | tbfg | steve2 what's the exactly error message you get? |
| 05:34.16 | cg0def | can someone pls help me, I have some problem with /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure and I can't install, remove, or upgrade packages anymore |
| 05:34.20 | jack|h | so i'm trying to learn to use debconf, but i'm having trouble getting it to work with a script. I'm using the perl interface and made a templates file with a single question in it and all my script does it (in theory) display it. But when i run the script, nothing happens. |
| 05:34.32 | Mmmmm | zarchne: thanks, can you run anacron as a regular user? I thought it was run only at startup as root |
| 05:34.51 | steve2 | dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `coreutils-5.2.1/DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 05:34.53 | zarchne | Mmmmm: d'oh |
| 05:34.56 | Charmy | TCW: Okay, I managed to copy the stuff successfully. I will post in #flood now |
| 05:35.22 | tbfg | steve2 you are starting from the right directory? |
| 05:35.32 | steve2 | I wonder if my dpkg tools are somehow out of sync. |
| 05:35.52 | steve2 | packagename/debian/control exists |
| 05:35.54 | Charmy | TCW: Anything else you want pasted? |
| 05:36.07 | tbfg | steve2 try: "fakeroot debian/rules binary" |
| 05:36.15 | TCW | one sec... need to label a disc :) |
| 05:36.18 | tbfg | steve2 this should build the .deb file in .. |
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| 05:36.42 | zarchne | Mmmmm: scratch running it from crontab. but I don't know that you can't run it nohupped by an ordinary user. Or, as I said, run the script su'd to the user. |
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| 05:36.52 | steve2 | I should cd into the package first? |
| 05:36.52 | Brendon_ | anyone running a geforce 6 card, there any chance you can display the temp of the video card in gkrellm? |
| 05:36.57 | tbfg | steve2 from cireutils-5.2.1, and perhaps it's "fakeroot DEBIAN/rules binary" for you :) |
| 05:37.48 | TCW | Charmy, what are you about to paste? |
| 05:38.02 | Charmy | TCW: I already pasted the interfaces filea nd the ifconfig information |
| 05:38.19 | TCW | Charmy, then you did before I joined ;) |
| 05:38.42 | Mmmmm | zachne: ok, I'll try to do that, and also find out what "nohupped" means ;-) google here I come! |
| 05:38.58 | Charmy | TCW: there |
| 05:39.00 | Charmy | so can anyone help me out getting my linux box to work on my network? =( |
| 05:39.00 | steve2 | tbfg, that got much further, I think I am missing a build tool now, this package needs different things than the last one. |
| 05:39.08 | TCW | Charmy, what says "ifconfig eth0"? |
| 05:39.14 | steve2 | How do I get the required tools again? |
| 05:39.34 | jack|h | hrm. how do i start a debconf frontend? (I'm trying to test my script) |
| 05:39.38 | TCW | Charmy, or "ifconfig -a" and just paste the eth0 stuff |
| 05:39.40 | ipw | a config script i'm running is saying "checking for libz... configure: error: not found. Possibly configure picks up an outdated version installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system." but when i try to install zlib, i'm told it's installed, so i'm not sure what to do |
| 05:39.55 | tbfg | steve2 there is a package called debhelper...perhaps you need this one |
| 05:40.45 | tbfg | steve2 but a specific error message would mkae it easier :) |
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| 05:41.06 | steve2 | I found it, apt-get build-dep package |
| 05:41.18 | [sLiM] | do you have to use a certain kernel patch for debian kernels? |
| 05:41.31 | Charmy | TCW: Argh, i can't paste the ifconfig eth0 stuff TCW. The damn floppy drive is screwed up. I can't unmount and remount because it says the thing is 'busy' |
| 05:41.35 | jack|h | neat, got it |
| 05:41.37 | tbfg | steve2 ooh, you were missing some build dependencies |
| 05:41.45 | Nurbs | [sLiM]: for kernels running on debian? no |
| 05:41.56 | TCW | Charmy, it may be busy because... you do access it right now |
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| 05:42.10 | [sLiM] | ugh i keep getting errors when trying to apply the nitro patch |
| 05:42.16 | Charmy | TCW: So how can I copy files quickly to and from? It hated it when i copiied some files, removed the disk, reinserted it later, and tried to put more things on. |
| 05:42.17 | TCW | Charmy, "fuser -mv /floppy" or whatever mointpoint your floppy is |
| 05:42.26 | Charmy | TCW: what does fuser do? |
| 05:42.41 | TCW | Charmy, EVER umount a disk before you eject it!! |
| 05:42.56 | jack|h | argh, it ran once and now it won't do it again! :) |
| 05:43.15 | TCW | Charmy, it lists (dependong on the arguments and options) the processes which access $something in this case, the floppy |
| 05:43.22 | bluefoxicy | Charmy: yeah if you pull disks out before umounting them you corrupt them totally usually |
| 05:43.29 | Charmy | TCW: it says /floppy root 207 ..c.. bash |
| 05:43.37 | TCW | s/EVER/allways/ ;) |
| 05:43.47 | Charmy | bluefoxicy: Ugh, what a pain. windows is so much easier =( |
| 05:43.57 | TCW | Charmy, so you are in that directory... cd .. and you're done |
| 05:43.59 | bluefoxicy | Charmy: windows mounts sync and checks constantly |
| 05:44.01 | Charmy | bluefoxicy: i don't have to type sync every time i want to REALLY copy something either |
| 05:44.09 | bluefoxicy | Charmy: umount |
| 05:44.12 | steve2 | tbfg: I got a problem now with stampdir/log/pmake/00_cut-doc.patch for reason. The fakeroot debian/rules binary is working much better than dpkg --build. I'm going to go offline and start over with a clean directory again. Thanks. |
| 05:44.23 | bluefoxicy | Charmy: also supermount or autofs, but they're very slow because tehy operate like windows |
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| 05:45.05 | Broseph | how can i set a .gif as my background in console without having X installed? |
| 05:45.24 | bluefoxicy | Charmy: most people don't use floppies anymore anyway, but that's another matter entirely. Normally pulling the stuff we use now crashes the machine :) *yanks a USB stick* |
| 05:45.32 | Charmy | TCW: okay, i'm posting the result of ifconfig eth0 in #flood |
| 05:45.38 | TCW | Charmy, as a hint, don't cd into /floppy just copy files to there as in "cp /path/file /floppy/" |
| 05:45.51 | Charmy | TCW: Okay, will do. |
| 05:46.11 | Charmy | TCW: Have a lot to learn about using this thing. A completely different computing experience from windows c.c |
| 05:46.25 | TCW | Charmy, and of course... you know the magic behind tab-completion? :) |
| 05:46.33 | Charmy | TCW: I have no clue what that is c.c |
| 05:46.36 | bluefoxicy | Charmy: newer GUI linuxes are more like windows, and at the same time, less like windows :) |
| 05:47.00 | Charmy | bluefoxicy: Your sentences are becoming more coherent, and at the same time, less coherent? ;p |
| 05:47.18 | bluefoxicy | Charmy: "easier but still different" comes to mind |
| 05:47.27 | TCW | Charmy, try it... type "cd /flo" and then hit the tab-key once... if you got it, delete what you typed, because we don't want to cd in /floppy, right? ;) |
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| 05:48.19 | Charmy | TCW: Oh THAT thing. where you press tab and it finds the closest match. yes, i see my linux teacher do that all the time at school. i never can get used to that.. 15 years of using dos and windows has me by the throat =) |
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| 05:48.28 | Charmy | TCW: Anyway, there is the eth0 info. |
| 05:48.34 | Charmy | TCW: Any clue on how to get this blasted thing to work on my networK? |
| 05:48.35 | TCW | Charmy, and about eth0... there is no IP address defined and the interface is down... try "ifup eth0" |
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| 05:48.56 | Charmy | TCW: ifup : interface et0 already configured |
| 05:49.01 | Charmy | TCW: eth0, even. |
| 05:49.13 | bluefoxicy | Charmy: 5 days of using bash will fix that |
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| 05:49.28 | TCW | Charmy, is it? have a look with ifconfig |
| 05:49.39 | Charmy | TCW: uh, i already posted the result of ifconfig |
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| 05:49.46 | Charmy | TCW: its in flood |
| 05:49.49 | deb-ik | hi |
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| 05:49.56 | deb-ik | i have a question |
| 05:50.07 | BBearr | hello |
| 05:50.07 | TCW | Charmy, I know... but that you posted is an unconfigured card :) |
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| 05:50.38 | TCW | Charmy, ooops... sorry... it is configured... but with somehow bogus data |
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| 05:50.45 | Charmy | TCW: =( |
| 05:50.47 | Deafcon | Hello.. |
| 05:50.57 | TCW | Charmy, one sec |
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| 05:51.16 | sussudio | !hello |
| 05:51.16 | dpkg | Hi, sussudio! |
| 05:51.20 | bloom | I've got a problem. I can't get root with sudo or su. When I enter the password (which I know is correct), the commands hang. |
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| 05:52.14 | ipw | how does one echo all environment variables? |
| 05:52.14 | TCW | Charmy, just to get sure... have a look at one of the windows boxes' network setup.... start > run... > cmd and there type "ipconfig /all" and search for the IP address of that Windows box |
| 05:52.20 | sgeigerbot | ipw: env |
| 05:52.24 | ipw | thanks |
| 05:52.26 | sgeigerbot | np |
| 05:53.19 | bloom | actually: scratch that. if I wasn't logged in already, I wouldn't be able to log in because the password prompt hangs after I enter the password. |
| 05:53.26 | Charmy | TCW: This box is 192.168.0.5 |
| 05:53.29 | Charmy | TCW: Router is 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:53.31 | inetd | whats a good dvd player ? |
| 05:53.43 | Charmy | TCW: Everything works smooth as a elf's bottom, 'cept for the linux box |
| 05:53.46 | inetd | xine doesnt seem to work wit this dvd ive got |
| 05:53.50 | inetd | libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. |
| 05:53.51 | TCW | Charmy, so you see the ip adress your new linux box has is completely wrong? |
| 05:53.54 | inetd | i get that |
| 05:54.22 | Charmy | TCW: Of course. that ip address was my INTERNET ip address from before. Remember TCW, I installed Debian linux on that machine by DIRECTLY connecting the cable modem to that machine |
| 05:54.32 | Charmy | TCW: I think it still thinks it has that IP address.. |
| 05:54.36 | bluefoxicy | well you need to change that o.o |
| 05:54.37 | Charmy | TCW: not the brightest thing in the world =) |
| 05:54.39 | BBearr | Can someone answer a couple of questions about Thunderbird installation? |
| 05:54.40 | TCW | Charmy, ohhh |
| 05:54.53 | deb-ik | any one knows how can i setup the firewall? |
| 05:55.04 | TCW | Charmy, did you di /etc/init.d/networking restart"? |
| 05:55.06 | bluefoxicy | i'd be happy if a wg111 usb worked |
| 05:55.09 | Charmy | TCW: I will try that now. |
| 05:55.25 | TCW | Charmy, now? You should have done that ages before! :p |
| 05:55.39 | Charmy | TCW: Okay, it says "Reconfiguring network interfaces:" |
| 05:55.42 | Charmy | TCW: its hanging |
| 05:55.53 | ipw | how would you go about adding an environment variable that will persist for all users? |
| 05:55.59 | deb-ik | any one knows how can i setup the firewall? |
| 05:56.08 | TCW | Charmy, wait a few moments... it may be that it needs some time to bug the dhcp server ;) |
| 05:56.21 | bucky | does he have dhclient ? |
| 05:56.26 | Charmy | TCW: I think it'll fail. i've struggled with this for 15 hours |
| 05:56.34 | TCW | bucky, we'll see if the last thing does not work :) |
| 05:56.36 | Charmy | TCW: during the install i tried thousands of times to get DHCP working. |
| 05:56.49 | bucky | somehow mine installed without it |
| 05:57.01 | bucky | dpkg -l dhclient |
| 05:57.02 | dpkg | ii dhclient 1.4-1.1 bucky's private gamp collection |
| 05:57.06 | TCW | Charmy, so it may be that something is broken at your side... let's see what that may be ;) |
| 05:57.19 | deb-ik | any one knows how can i setup the firewall? |
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| 05:57.30 | TCW | deb-ik, read a book |
| 05:57.39 | Charmy | TCW: nope, it didn't work |
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| 05:57.54 | Charmy | TCW: it tries pinging 70.66.94.1, then says 1 picked transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 05:58.01 | TCW | Charmy, ok... so... lets see if some "dhcp-magic" is installed... do what bucky said |
| 05:58.03 | Charmy | TCW: Its really rather stupid o.o; it tries pinging itself |
| 05:58.07 | BBearr | Charmy, I haven't been here long. Are you connecting through a router? |
| 05:58.20 | Charmy | BBearr: trying to |
| 05:58.28 | deb-ik | cause in fedora is typing setup |
| 05:58.29 | Charmy | TCW: you want me to type dpkg -l dhclient? |
| 05:58.36 | XandrosIsHard | has anyone set up a 5 button mouse before? I'm using Xandros 3 and haven't been able to do it yet and could use a hand |
| 05:58.38 | TCW | BBearr, he is trying to get an ip addres via dhcp... nothing more, nothing less right now ;) |
| 05:58.44 | TCW | Charmy, yes |
| 05:58.56 | BBearr | Charmy, does your router supply dhcp? |
| 05:59.06 | TCW | BBearr, yes it does |
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| 05:59.09 | Charmy | TCW: NO packages found matching dhclient |
| 05:59.23 | Charmy | BBearr: yes. i have three winxp machines which get assigned one no problem |
| 05:59.24 | TCW | Charmy, the same for "pump" please |
| 05:59.33 | deb-ik | this is the only chanel where they think they know to much and they only usin lessbian =) |
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| 05:59.57 | Charmy | TCW: okay, i got some stuff after typing pump |
| 06:00.01 | Charmy | TCW: now what? =) |
| 06:00.04 | TCW | deb-ik, you are free to go... |
| 06:00.13 | TCW | Charmy, what stuff? :) |
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| 06:00.21 | Charmy | TCW: says pn pump <noine> <no description available> |
| 06:00.35 | TCW | Charmy, paste it... if you don't mind ;) |
| 06:00.43 | Charmy | TCW: okay then o.o;;; nothing improtant though |
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| 06:00.56 | bluefoxicy | points for persistance, but negative score for being more frustrated and wanting the problem to go away more than to understand the solution. Then again, after 15 hours I guess a fresh hacker would be annoyed. Too early to tell. |
| 06:00.57 | drac | Just don't paste anything on channel. |
| 06:01.19 | TCW | drac, we had that point already... but thanks :p |
| 06:01.34 | jetscreamer | i eat paste |
| 06:01.42 | Charmy | TCW: Pasting in flood |
| 06:01.46 | TCW | jetscreamer, what flavour? |
| 06:01.47 | jetscreamer | not realy, but it sounded weird |
| 06:01.48 | bucky | pump sounds like a knoppix install |
| 06:01.51 | jetscreamer | i used to |
| 06:01.54 | jetscreamer | elmers iirc |
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| 06:02.08 | drac | I like Liver paste :P |
| 06:02.17 | jetscreamer | morphix used to do pump too |
| 06:02.21 | sussudio | !clarice drac |
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| 06:02.49 | drac | :) |
| 06:02.52 | mario__ | hello! |
| 06:02.55 | TCW | Charmy, bogus... anyway, install pump or dhclient... your choice |
| 06:03.10 | TCW | Charmy, I'd suggest dhclient anyway |
| 06:03.15 | Charmy | TCW: A) how do i do that. B) What are they. C) Can i do so without access to debian archives |
| 06:03.31 | Charmy | TCW: Keep in mind that dpkg -l dhclient turned up empty. |
| 06:03.31 | jetscreamer | isn't this pppoe? |
| 06:03.36 | TCW | Charmy, ehm.... how did you install that machine? :) |
| 06:03.47 | Charmy | TCW: I told you! I connected the machine DIRECTLY to the internet! |
| 06:03.50 | jetscreamer | you'll need to d/l the .deb from packages.debian.org |
| 06:03.54 | Charmy | TCW: I skipped the router entirely |
| 06:03.57 | jetscreamer | or that's one way |
| 06:04.10 | Charmy | TCW: Augh =( Then i gotta unhook the cable modem again, and hook it in directly to the linux box again *sigh* |
| 06:04.11 | TCW | Charmy, what was your starting point? A CD or just a bunch of floppies? |
| 06:04.20 | Charmy | TCW: A bunch of floppies. the BIOS doesn't support booting from CD |
| 06:04.27 | jetscreamer | chrmy burn the .deb, d/l it |
| 06:04.33 | TCW | Charmy, NO CD at all? |
| 06:04.41 | Charmy | TCW: It has a CDROM, but i can't boot from it |
| 06:04.54 | TCW | Charmy, but wher did your initial setup come from? |
| 06:04.59 | jetscreamer | charmy, burn a full cd and use the cd as a package source in sources.list |
| 06:05.12 | Charmy | TCW: I dowloaded and rawwrite net install floppies, TCW |
| 06:05.20 | jetscreamer | or just one or 2 .debs |
| 06:05.22 | jetscreamer | or 10 |
| 06:05.27 | Charmy | jetscreamer: I don't have a spare blank CD =/ |
| 06:05.28 | TCW | Charmy, ugh... never did that before ;) |
| 06:05.39 | jack|h | so anyone here know much about debconf? |
| 06:05.44 | Charmy | TCW: regardless of how i di dit, it was succesfully installed. |
| 06:05.46 | TCW | Charmy, but... you are not lost... I think ;) |
| 06:05.59 | Charmy | TCW: i just don't have as many tools as would be ideal |
| 06:06.01 | jetscreamer | !info dhclient |
| 06:06.03 | TCW | Charmy, set the IP address manually... |
| 06:06.11 | Charmy | TCW: to? |
| 06:06.13 | Charmy | TCW: and how? |
| 06:06.14 | jetscreamer | !find dhclient |
| 06:06.18 | TCW | Charmy, something that is free? :) |
| 06:06.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dhclient' (6 shown; 11 total): (/etc/rootstrap/dhclient-script) in utils/rootstrap ;; (/etc/dhclient-exit-hooks) in misc/debian-edu-config ;; (/sbin/dhclient) in net/dhcp-client,net/dhcp3-client ;; (/etc/{dhclient-script|dhclient.conf}) in net/dhcp-client ;; (/usr/share/doc/ipmasq/examples/dhclient-exit-hooks) in net/ipmasq ;; (/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/dhclient) in admin/logcheck-database. |
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| 06:06.33 | Charmy | TCW: Okay, so i'll set it to a number i pick out of my hat.. say 192.168.0.1.16 |
| 06:06.36 | jetscreamer | !info pump |
| 06:06.40 | Charmy | TCW: next question, how? |
| 06:06.42 | dpkg | pump: (simple DHCP/BOOTP client), section base, is optional. Version: 0.8.19-5 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 06:06.44 | jariep1_ | how do I check the version of a package? |
| 06:06.46 | TCW | Charmy, it need to fit to your setup! |
| 06:06.51 | dondelelcaro | jariep1_: dpkg -l foopkgname; |
| 06:06.52 | jetscreamer | charmy too many octets |
| 06:07.00 | Charmy | TCW: er sorry, 192.168.0.16 =p |
| 06:07.00 | jetscreamer | charmy pump will fit on a floppy |
| 06:07.11 | Charmy | jetscreamer: okay, so i copy a pump.deb to a floppy? |
| 06:07.16 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 06:07.26 | Charmy | jetscreamer: how do i get it? |
| 06:07.28 | jetscreamer | packages.debian.org |
| 06:07.30 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 06:07.32 | TCW | Charmy, I don't know if it is free or if it fits... you should kno, ok? :) |
| 06:07.34 | ipw | a config script i'm running says "checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail." but i'm using "./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`". any suggestions? |
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| 06:07.40 | Charmy | TCW: it is free. |
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| 06:07.57 | jetscreamer | !info dhcp-client |
| 06:08.00 | dpkg | dhcp-client: (DHCP Client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0pl5-19.1 (sid), Packaged size: 99 kB, Installed size: 284 kB |
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| 06:08.11 | XandrosIsHard | I'm using a 5 button microsoft intellimouse and need to configure buttons 4 and 5, does anyone here know how to do it? |
| 06:08.11 | jetscreamer | that will fit on the floppy at the same time |
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| 06:08.31 | dondelelcaro | ipw: eh? --prefix should only determine the install directory, not where it looks for files. |
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| 06:08.34 | Charmy | jetscreamer: Where do i get these files? |
| 06:08.34 | jetscreamer | XandrosIsHard, there's a howto, i saw it. but never read it. |
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| 06:08.44 | jetscreamer | charmy what part of packages.debian.org |
| 06:08.45 | Charmy | jetscreamer: and once i put them on a floppy, how do i install them as packages? |
| 06:08.49 | toresbe | XandrosIsHard: what distro do you run? :P |
| 06:08.51 | dondelelcaro | ipw: although, most likely you haven't installed the appropriate -dev packages or something |
| 06:08.52 | kaplanfx | hey how can I turne dma on a drive thats in an external enclosure using usb2? |
| 06:08.56 | XandrosIsHard | Xandros 3 |
| 06:08.56 | jetscreamer | charmy dpkg -i blah.deb |
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| 06:09.01 | Charmy | jetscreamer: I'm at that site, but its huge. |
| 06:09.06 | kaplanfx | hdparm says HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument |
| 06:09.06 | Nurbs | kaplanfx: you don't |
| 06:09.11 | kaplanfx | Nurbs: ah |
| 06:09.13 | toresbe | XandrosIsHard: Okay. |
| 06:09.14 | Nurbs | kaplanfx: it doesn't make sense :) |
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| 06:09.34 | Charmy | jetscreamer: did a webs earch for the words dhclient and pump in the ALL PACKAGES page |
| 06:09.37 | Charmy | jetscreamer: no luck |
| 06:09.43 | XandrosIsHard | i've seen tutorials on how to do it in other distros like mandrake and redhat, but nothing for xandros |
| 06:09.49 | TCW | Charmy, anyway... just type (for the moment, later on we'll see if we make that static or if we use dhcp) "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.16 up" then "route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth0" and then "echo nameserver "ip of a working nameserver" > /etc/resolv.conf" ok? |
| 06:09.55 | kaplanfx | Nurbs: can I emprove Timing buffered disk reads: 66 MB in 3.05 seconds = 21.66 MB/sec ??? the drive should do near 60 MB/sec |
| 06:10.02 | kaplanfx | er |
| 06:10.04 | kaplanfx | improve |
| 06:10.06 | Charmy | TCW: Okay, i wll type thos ecommands. |
| 06:10.07 | kaplanfx | damn im tired |
| 06:10.14 | jetscreamer | charmy dhcp-client for dhclient .... |
| 06:10.15 | ferrocene | hello? |
| 06:10.19 | jetscreamer | !find dhclient |
| 06:10.21 | toresbe | XandrosIsHard: The X server is (within reason) the same across all distros |
| 06:10.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dhclient' (6 shown; 11 total): (/etc/rootstrap/dhclient-script) in utils/rootstrap ;; (/etc/dhclient-exit-hooks) in misc/debian-edu-config ;; (/sbin/dhclient) in net/dhcp-client,net/dhcp3-client ;; (/etc/{dhclient-script|dhclient.conf}) in net/dhcp-client ;; (/usr/share/doc/ipmasq/examples/dhclient-exit-hooks) in net/ipmasq ;; (/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/dhclient) in admin/logcheck-database. |
| 06:10.33 | mario__ | hello |
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| 06:10.39 | kaplanfx | is 22 MB/sec near the usb2 max throughput? |
| 06:10.42 | toresbe | XandrosIsHard: a howto for RH should work for Debian and Xandros |
| 06:10.46 | jetscreamer | charmy is this sarge or woody |
| 06:10.49 | ferrocene | i have a stupidly easy mail quesiton. |
| 06:10.51 | ipw | dondelelcaro: what are the devel packages for kde? |
| 06:11.08 | ferrocene | anyone know how to forward Maildir-format files to another email address easily? |
| 06:11.11 | TCW | Charmy, if all works well... we will just set up the ip address manually for some seconds to get networking running, so you can install everything else needed to get dhcp running |
| 06:11.19 | XandrosIsHard | see, that's what I thought, but the tutorials wanted me to edit files that aren't in xandros, something like XFree86 or something |
| 06:11.20 | Nurbs | kaplanfx: hm, I don't think you can. I never got more than 15-20 MB/s practical throughput over USB 2 or Firewire, even though they should do more afaik (480/400 mbps would be 60/50 MB/s) |
| 06:11.30 | Charmy | TCW: all commands entered. |
| 06:11.31 | jetscreamer | Charmy, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=pump&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 06:11.33 | mario__ | i dont write english very well. i give my best : ) |
| 06:11.33 | bloom | anybody know what would cause login, su, and sudo to hang immediately after entering a password (to the point where the system was so screwed up that I had to hit the reset button on the front of the computer to fix it)? |
| 06:11.34 | Charmy | jetscreamer: this is wood7y |
| 06:11.41 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:11.41 | XandrosIsHard | there is no file under X11 with that name |
| 06:11.45 | jetscreamer | charmy no pump for woody |
| 06:11.56 | Charmy | jetscreamer: okay, so i will install the dh-cpclient |
| 06:12.01 | TCW | Charmy, "ping 192.168.0.1" and pray to god that the router does not discard pings ;) |
| 06:12.04 | smj | Well, this is quite interesting. I'm running Debian Sarge and thought my DVD burner had quit working, so I ordered a new one. After installation, the new one failed to properly return md5sums after burning CDs, so there was no way to check if the burns were good. I've tried the 2.6.8 (sarge) and 2.6.10 (sid) kernels. Now, in Knoppix, I've successfully burned a CD and gotten an MD5sum back, and the CD checks out. Any ideas? |
| 06:12.06 | kaplanfx | Nurbs: the 480 is Mb no MB |
| 06:12.07 | jetscreamer | Charmy, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=dhclient&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 06:12.11 | kaplanfx | im looking at the spec right now |
| 06:12.15 | bucky | i guess dhclient isn't in sarge anymore apt-cache show dhcdpd |
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| 06:12.18 | Nurbs | kaplanfx: that's why I've divided by 8 |
| 06:12.20 | ferrocene | :/ |
| 06:12.29 | kaplanfx | oh yah |
| 06:12.30 | kaplanfx | duh |
| 06:12.32 | Nurbs | :) |
| 06:12.34 | jetscreamer | bucky /msg dpkg find dhclient |
| 06:12.48 | dondelelcaro | smj: use the kernel you were using in knoppix |
| 06:12.52 | kaplanfx | so shit, my drive is capable of 60 as is usb2, is this a problem of the drivers? |
| 06:12.58 | Charmy | TCW: okay, its pinging. hub shows network activity. no response to pings |
| 06:13.07 | smj | dondelelcaro: That's funny, it's 2.6.9. |
| 06:13.13 | Nurbs | kaplanfx: I'm not sure why, but even on Windows - where you shouldn't need to fiddle a lot (*g*) - one doesn't reach higher speeds IME |
| 06:13.15 | smj | dondelelcaro: Remember me from the other night? :-) |
| 06:13.19 | dondelelcaro | smj: no, I mean the exact same one... |
| 06:13.33 | TCW | Charmy, so, let's see... first ifconfig and look if it shows eth0 with the correct ip address... |
| 06:13.36 | dondelelcaro | smj: then moan and complain on #kernelnewbies on oftc... |
| 06:13.37 | kaplanfx | Nurbs: something is fishy, im going to do some research on google |
| 06:13.38 | smj | dondelelcaro: Roger that. This is really strange. |
| 06:13.39 | kaplanfx | bbiab |
| 06:13.51 | Nurbs | kaplanfx: tell me if you get any information :) |
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| 06:14.01 | ferrocene | so no takers on manually forwarding ./Maildir/cur/* files.... |
| 06:14.09 | Charmy | TCW: yes. it says inet addr: 192.168.0.16 |
| 06:14.11 | jetscreamer | cd burning works just fine here |
| 06:14.21 | kaplanfx | Nurbs: sure |
| 06:14.22 | TCW | Charmy, what about the netmask and broadcast? |
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| 06:14.40 | Charmy | TCW: netmask 255.255.255.0 and broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 06:15.02 | TCW | Charmy, that is all fine ;) so... next step... what states "route -n"? |
| 06:15.12 | bucky | what happened to /etc/default/iptables what did they replace that with ? |
| 06:15.12 | fusion | Hi, while running apt, I get all sorts of "read only" errors - I am su'd running apt-get update..and example is : Failed to fetch http://apt.scunc.it/dists/sarge/main/source/Sources.gz Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/apt.scunc.it_dists_sarge_main_source_Sources - open (30 Read-only file system)" |
| 06:15.17 | TCW | Charmy, paste it if you don't mind |
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| 06:15.54 | bucky | fusion, the syntax in your /etc/apt/sources.list is wrong |
| 06:15.56 | Charmy | jetscreamer: dhcp-client package installed |
| 06:16.09 | kaplanfx | Nurbs: http://www.techimo.com/images/img2/e-enclosure/sisoft1-2.png looks like he got exactly 22 as well |
| 06:16.16 | kaplanfx | and that was on windows |
| 06:16.19 | fusion | bucky, I havent changed them for about 2 months and its only started doing this now |
| 06:16.21 | mario__ | or maybe your filesystem is bad mounted |
| 06:16.40 | fusion | its the root fs and its been up for about a week and I ran apt yesterday.. |
| 06:16.41 | bucky | fusion, server must be down |
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| 06:16.51 | fusion | bucky, it happens on *all* mirrors |
| 06:16.54 | Charmy | TCW: route -n pasted |
| 06:16.54 | jetscreamer | Charmy, \o/ |
| 06:17.07 | Charmy | Gez, you guys are making me run ragged here with al lthe disk switchin =p |
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| 06:17.24 | bucky | fusion, ping something.. it's not getting out |
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| 06:17.31 | fusion | so how am I IRCing? |
| 06:17.34 | chitiri | is it possible to list all package diversions in my system ? |
| 06:17.40 | fusion | it says Read only filesystem not "server down" |
| 06:17.45 | fusion | nor "cannot connect" |
| 06:17.52 | TCW | Charmy, looks fine too... ping yourself |
| 06:17.52 | JayParadise2 | hey can someone please help me diagnose and/or fix a irq colision if so please pm me |
| 06:18.00 | dondelelcaro | chitiri: package diversions? you mean diversions of files by packages? |
| 06:18.07 | Charmy | TCW: works fine |
| 06:18.11 | sussudio | JayParadise2: no. |
| 06:18.26 | JayParadise2 | can someone suggest a server/channel for pc architecture |
| 06:18.27 | chitiri | dondelelcaro: oh, yes... |
| 06:18.30 | TCW | Charmy, does ping to 192.168.0.1 work from a windows box? |
| 06:18.37 | dondelelcaro | chitiri: dpkg-divert --list; |
| 06:18.41 | Charmy | TCW: Indeed it does! =) |
| 06:18.47 | chitiri | dondelelcaro: all diverted files in my system |
| 06:18.53 | chitiri | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 06:18.54 | JayParadise2 | if i can fix this collision i can boot debian, its the only thing holding me back |
| 06:18.55 | Charmy | TCW: The router is all too happy to respond |
| 06:19.12 | Charmy | TCW: it looks windows xp i guess c.c |
| 06:19.16 | Charmy | TCW: likes, even. |
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| 06:19.18 | MtG2k | hello Can someone help me change the default window manager on my system? |
| 06:19.21 | MtG2k | i have tried update-alternatives --config |
| 06:19.25 | TCW | Charmy, strange... and you are sure you did not mess up the cables? |
| 06:19.28 | MtG2k | but it comes back and tells me i need something more |
| 06:19.36 | kaplanfx | Nurbs: im guessing its becuase you don't get dma on the drive, if I turn dma off my internal drive I get about 20MB/s |
| 06:19.37 | bloom | anybody know what would cause login, su, and sudo to hang immediately after entering a password (to the point where the system was so screwed up that I had to hit the reset button on the front of the computer to fix it)? |
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| 06:20.04 | Charmy | TCW: The cables are FINE. Please don't ask me to change them for the one millionth time.. |
| 06:20.11 | bucky | MtG2k, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 06:20.14 | dondelelcaro | bloom: it shouldn't ever get to that point... but most likely you've got a problem with pam or something |
| 06:20.16 | Charmy | TCW: If the cables can download the woody installation at 300kb/sec, they are fine. |
| 06:20.38 | chitiri | dondelelcaro: not dpkg-divert in my system, apt-cache search divert gives me nothing, what package dpkg-divert belongs to? |
| 06:20.40 | MtG2k | thanks bucky |
| 06:20.49 | TCW | Charmy, I will not ;) I am just asking because maybe you did forget to plug something in again... something like that happens ALL THE TIME, so please accuse me ;) |
| 06:21.01 | bloom | dondelelcaro: it did get to that point, within the last hour. |
| 06:21.03 | Charmy | TCW: Sorry.. i shouldn't have snapped.. i'm just really stressed out. 16 hours on this. |
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| 06:21.06 | eyeris | For about 2 weeks now when I try to upgrade my unstable install, I get a "short read in buffer_copy" error while dselect unpacks libpt and libopenh323. Has anyone else seen this problem? More importantly, does anyone here know how to solve this? |
| 06:21.12 | bucky | MtG2k, ls /etc/alternative for all possibilities |
| 06:21.14 | Nurbs | kaplanfx: mhm. well, the drive on USB can't do DMA, it has to go through USB first. the USB case probably would need to emulate DMA and they might not do that... or something ;) |
| 06:21.16 | dondelelcaro | chitiri: /usr/sbin/dpkg-divert |
| 06:21.33 | Charmy | TCW: i'm about ready to throw myself out a window x.x |
| 06:21.34 | bloom | dondelelcaro: I've never played with or customized pam in my life, and I couldn't find any obvious info about what went wrong in the logs |
| 06:21.35 | TCW | Charmy, all my sympathy is with you... :) |
| 06:21.45 | jetscreamer | eyeris, check the bts is my suggestion |
| 06:21.46 | bloom | dondelelcaro: after rebooting, everything seems fine now. |
| 06:21.47 | Charmy | TCW: Why won't it work!? Argh x.x |
| 06:21.50 | TCW | Charmy, feel free to do so ;) |
| 06:21.55 | Charmy | TCW: So what can i do with this dhcp client package? |
| 06:22.00 | dondelelcaro | bloom: hrm... that's really strange then... |
| 06:22.14 | bucky | Charmy, what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 06:22.17 | TCW | Charmy, if you managed to get it on floppy or cd or whatever... install it |
| 06:22.20 | jetscreamer | Charmy, there is also a dhcp3-client.. i don't know which you would want |
| 06:22.21 | kaplanfx | Nurbs: yeah, well I use the external drive for audio/video playback mostly so it the 20MB/sec I can get should be ok |
| 06:22.29 | eyeris | jetscreamer, I checked the bts. nothing there. |
| 06:22.42 | kaplanfx | kinda a bummer, there is a great 7200rpm 8MB cache drive in there |
| 06:22.43 | TCW | bucky, that is not importand if a ping to a local ip address does not work in the first place |
| 06:22.50 | Charmy | TCW: Its already installed |
| 06:22.56 | TCW | Charmy, which one |
| 06:22.58 | bucky | i thought he could ping |
| 06:22.58 | Nurbs | kaplanfx: *nod* |
| 06:22.59 | kaplanfx | but I have a shuttle case so it can't go inside (already got 120G in there) |
| 06:22.59 | Charmy | TCW: dhcp-client |
| 06:23.05 | TCW | Charmy, one sec |
| 06:23.14 | Charmy | bucky: nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:23.26 | jetscreamer | eyeris, http://www.google.com/linux?q=short+read+in+buffer_copy&restrict=linux |
| 06:23.51 | bucky | Charmy, and you can ping 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 06:24.00 | TCW | Charmy, so try a "dhclient eth0" |
| 06:24.07 | Charmy | bucky: From windows, yes. From linux, no. |
| 06:24.30 | Charmy | TCW: command typed. its hanging. |
| 06:24.39 | Charmy | TCW: getting network activity. |
| 06:24.39 | TCW | Charmy, at what stage? |
| 06:24.43 | Charmy | TCW: turning on packet sniffer.. one sec |
| 06:25.21 | Charmy | TCW: what do you mean by stage? |
| 06:25.42 | TCW | Charmy, "what is on the screen?" :) |
| 06:25.45 | Charmy | TCW: okay, its pinging 70.66.94.1 like an idiot again.. and failed. |
| 06:25.53 | TCW | Charmy, huh? |
| 06:26.01 | Charmy | TCW: it just hanged for awhile, then pinged that address, then said 1 packet transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 06:26.08 | Charmy | TCW: thats all |
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| 06:26.25 | TCW | Charmy, it did ping the old address?! |
| 06:26.54 | Charmy | TCW: Yep. according to the packet sniffer |
| 06:27.04 | Charmy | TCW: The linux computer sent out DHCP discover requetss |
| 06:27.14 | Charmy | TCW: the router happily returned DHCP informs |
| 06:27.21 | Charmy | TCW: but for some reason Linux isn't seeing them |
| 06:27.25 | Charmy | TCW: its blind c.c |
| 06:27.32 | TCW | Charmy, strange... really |
| 06:27.41 | Charmy | TCW: its the same thing with pings |
| 06:27.43 | mario__ | a little question: who knows Linux crypto API? |
| 06:27.47 | TCW | Charmy, deconfigure eth0 "ifdown eth0" |
| 06:27.48 | Charmy | TCW: The linux box goes, "Hi, who has <insert ip address>" |
| 06:27.58 | Charmy | TCW: either the router or the machines say, "Hi! I have <insert ip address>!" |
| 06:28.01 | bucky | sounds like a bad nic |
| 06:28.02 | Sandaasu | Yeah, strage, and stranger, it only does it on the LAN. |
| 06:28.04 | Charmy | TCW: and then the linux box doesn't see it c.c |
| 06:28.16 | Charmy | bucky: No, because internet works 100% okay if hooked directly to the modem |
| 06:28.19 | Sandaasu | It conencts fine if plugged right into the cable modem |
| 06:28.22 | Charmy | bucky: Furthrmore, i have tried TWO NICS |
| 06:28.22 | TCW | bucky, also on my mind... but hold your breath for a moment :) |
| 06:28.42 | Charmy | TCW: NO ITS NOT HTE NIC! ;_: IVE TRIED TWO.. (exccuse caps..i'm just tired of people saying my hardware is faulty when its not!) |
| 06:28.43 | Sandaasu | And he has tried 2 NIcs |
| 06:28.54 | bucky | isa is fun |
| 06:28.54 | Sandaasu | both known working |
| 06:28.54 | TCW | Charmy, peace! :) |
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| 06:29.03 | Charmy | TCW: My hardware is not faulty ;_; |
| 06:29.29 | Charmy | TCW: Okay, i typed ifdown eth0 |
| 06:29.31 | TCW | Charmy, ok then... but if it is, we all get a free trip to the moon, first class, sponsored by you? ;) |
| 06:29.41 | jetscreamer | eyeris, using dpkg -i --force-overwrite seems to be a possible hack |
| 06:29.45 | Charmy | TCW: Uh.. c.c k.. |
| 06:29.50 | TCW | ;) |
| 06:30.04 | TCW | Charmy, check if the card is deconfigured... ifconfig eth0 please :) |
| 06:30.25 | Charmy | TCW: inet addr : 70.66.94.30 |
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| 06:30.44 | Charmy | TCW: has a bunch of other sutff. don't know if its deconfigured or not |
| 06:30.47 | TCW | Charmy, that looks not like a deconfigured nic ;) |
| 06:31.03 | Charmy | TCW: but TCW, if i type ifdown eth0 AGAIN it says "eth0 is not configured" |
| 06:31.08 | Charmy | TCW: so i'm at a loss |
| 06:31.28 | TCW | Charmy, something is very strange there... REALLY! :) |
| 06:31.47 | TCW | Charmy, what card is it btw.? |
| 06:32.41 | eyeris | jetscreamer, really? that doesn't work for me |
| 06:32.44 | TCW | Charmy, and what kernel do you use? "uname -r" please |
| 06:32.49 | eyeris | jetscreamer, I get the same error message |
| 06:32.51 | jetscreamer | Charmy so it works hooked up directly but not through the router, correct? |
| 06:32.56 | jetscreamer | eyeris, :( |
| 06:33.23 | ipw | where might i find libdar-devel? i can only find it for suse.. |
| 06:33.34 | jetscreamer | !find libdar |
| 06:33.35 | TCW | jetscreamer, not even in the local lan as it seems |
| 06:33.36 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libdar' (2 shown): libdar-dev ;; libdar2. |
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| 06:33.51 | jetscreamer | !info libdar-dev |
| 06:33.55 | dpkg | libdar-dev: (Disk ARchive: Development files for shared library), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.1.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 722 kB, Installed size: 2776 kB |
| 06:33.56 | cafuego | crapola |
| 06:33.59 | Charmy | TCW: the card: realtek RTL8139 |
| 06:34.12 | jetscreamer | charmy are you using 8139too ? |
| 06:34.14 | Charmy | jetscreamer: yes, thats right Jetscreamer. |
| 06:34.20 | TCW | Charmy, ok... I hate those cards... but, that may not help you, heh? ;) |
| 06:34.22 | Charmy | jetscreamer: 8139too? |
| 06:34.35 | jetscreamer | the module... there's a couple 8139's |
| 06:34.36 | Charmy | TCW: no, saying you hate it doesn't help. Btw, 3com etherlink III Isa card didnt' work any better, just so you know |
| 06:34.47 | Charmy | TCW: nor did a Netgear PCI |
| 06:34.58 | Charmy | TCW: as for uname -r, returns 2.2.20-idepci |
| 06:35.14 | TCW | Charmy, ok... let me think a moment |
| 06:35.19 | jetscreamer | Charmy, have you tried supplying your router's ip as the gateway... (i know nothing btw) |
| 06:35.21 | ipw | jetscreamer: thanks, but i was actually referring to finding it on the web, as a friend of mine needs it |
| 06:35.36 | Charmy | jetscreamer: don't know how to do that. i'm guessing its already been done though. |
| 06:35.39 | jetscreamer | ipw, packages.debian.org unless you need source or something |
| 06:35.56 | TCW | jetscreamer, the route is set correct |
| 06:36.00 | ipw | jetscreamer: i don't need source, but my friend's not using deb unfortunately..redhat |
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| 06:36.07 | jetscreamer | tcw, i know nothing |
| 06:36.17 | TCW | Charmy, please "dmesg |grep 8139" |
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| 06:36.34 | TCW | jetscreamer, should I provide you with an update? :) |
| 06:36.45 | davedoom | hi guys. |
| 06:36.46 | jetscreamer | tcw, naw ... :) |
| 06:36.58 | TCW | jetscreamer, just asking... :) |
| 06:37.14 | jetscreamer | i use static ip's, i don't know dhcp or pppoe |
| 06:37.25 | jetscreamer | need to though |
| 06:37.27 | davedoom | I think I found a what might be a bug in debian. is this intended behaivior or a bug: |
| 06:37.49 | davedoom | I change my default route and restart networking and I now have two default routes. |
| 06:38.00 | davedoom | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 06:38.00 | davedoom | 192.168.100.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 06:38.00 | davedoom | 0.0.0.0 192.168.100.253 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 06:38.00 | davedoom | 0.0.0.0 192.168.100.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 06:38.01 | Charmy | TCW: pasted in flood |
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| 06:38.13 | TCW | jetscreamer, if all is set properly, dhcp is a piece of cake... and as it seems, on Charmys side all IS set properly, but everything is just crap ;) |
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| 06:38.45 | Charmy | TCW: I just have horrible luck when it comes to computers. they hate me and always work horribly when i'm around. |
| 06:39.17 | TCW | Charmy, peace! Forget that, take a deep breath and in a few moments all your problems may be vanished :) |
| 06:39.38 | Charmy | TCW: Huh? |
| 06:39.43 | Baby | that's the fermi effect, don't worry :) |
| 06:40.00 | TCW | Charmy, forget it... just kidding... sorry |
| 06:40.10 | Charmy | TCW: .... oh. |
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| 06:41.32 | toresbe | nighters |
| 06:41.44 | bluefoxicy | <Charmy> TCW: as for uname -r, returns 2.2.20-idepci |
| 06:41.45 | TCW | Charmy, back to the problem.... I hate to say that, but it may be a good idea to reboot the machine :) But first... is there pppoe still running? |
| 06:41.47 | bluefoxicy | uh |
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| 06:42.01 | bluefoxicy | 2.2? |
| 06:42.08 | TCW | bluefoxicy, woody... |
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| 06:42.11 | bluefoxicy | hmm |
| 06:42.18 | bluefoxicy | TCW: is there a way he can get a 2.6 on there? |
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| 06:42.31 | bluefoxicy | in addition, not in replacement |
| 06:42.38 | TCW | bluefoxicy, he does not need it, he does not want it!! |
| 06:42.57 | bluefoxicy | TCW: heh. *2.6 user* |
| 06:43.16 | TCW | bluefoxicy, woody and kernel 2.6 is a "must-not" in general... so please :) |
| 06:43.24 | bluefoxicy | ok ok :P |
| 06:43.48 | TCW | If he wants to upgrade to sarge, we'll discuss the kernel issue later ;) |
| 06:43.51 | bluefoxicy | TCW: didn't woody natively support 2.4 at least? some kind of kernel change would probably be a good test at the very least |
| 06:43.59 | Charmy | TCW: I don't know what PPPOE is. |
| 06:44.10 | TCW | bluefoxicy, it did... or actually it still does! :) |
| 06:44.24 | Charmy | TCW: and i tried rebooting before, it didn't help. but i'll do it again if you want me to |
| 06:44.26 | TCW | Charmy, what kind of internet provider do you use? |
| 06:44.37 | Charmy | TCW: shawcable. cable service. |
| 06:44.44 | Charmy | TCW: works quite well |
| 06:44.54 | Charmy | TCW: and debina is perfectly happy when connected directly to the cable modem |
| 06:44.58 | TCW | Charmy, how do you set up the network to use that one? |
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| 06:45.09 | Charmy | TCW: Uh.. its all automatically detected. |
| 06:45.11 | bluefoxicy | TCW: perhaps he should try that. It's a quick and dirty layer 3-4 test :) |
| 06:45.12 | Charmy | TCW: no setup required. |
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| 06:45.54 | TCW | Charmy, ehm... so you plug in the computer, dhcp and the link gives you the proper ip settings? |
| 06:46.19 | Charmy | TCW: Yep. I plug the cable modem into the NIC, and i try to setup DHCP, and like 5 seconds later, BOOM, everything works liek magic. |
| 06:46.23 | Charmy | TCW: Its a beauitful thing. |
| 06:46.35 | fusion | Okay, I rebooted and now my filesystem seems fine - however, I always have to type alsaconf at boot - no big deal except this time, it detects the card as normal, but when it outputs configuring it I get: alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found...;FATAL: Error running install command for snd_emu10k1 |
| 06:46.38 | TCW | Charmy, it is a normal thing... :) |
| 06:46.46 | Charmy | TCW: yeah. |
| 06:47.15 | fusion | which is odd because the *curses program detects the card... |
| 06:47.28 | TCW | but... anyway... Charmy would you mind a "ps aux > /somefile" and send me /somefile? |
| 06:47.52 | Charmy | TCW: alright... |
| 06:48.10 | BBearr | Charmy, are you still trying to get networking? |
| 06:48.31 | Charmy | BBearr: Um. yes. please read the buffer |
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| 06:49.11 | TCW | Charmy, http://rafb.net/paste/ <- may be a good idea |
| 06:49.32 | BBearr | Charmy, I logged off my laptop and I'm on my debian box now. missed some |
| 06:49.57 | Charmy | TCW: its pasted. |
| 06:50.11 | Charmy | BBearr: I'll send you the log file then |
| 06:50.17 | TCW | BBearr, in short... everything is screwed up and nobody knows why ;) |
| 06:50.25 | bluefoxicy | hopefully tomorrow update-notifier will see something that fixes rhythmbox here on hoary *prods unstable ubuntu development stuff* |
| 06:50.26 | TCW | Charmy, "where"? |
| 06:50.33 | bluefoxicy | but sleep time for me |
| 06:51.07 | cabbie | TCW: can you tell me what's wrong with 2.6 & woody -- seems to work fine on my Compaq Armada |
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| 06:51.33 | BBearr | hat does the /etc/network/interfaces say |
| 06:51.37 | TCW | cabbie, no... I can't, I won't, I don't want to. |
| 06:52.03 | Sandaasu | TCW: Do you think it's possible that this could be some kind of conflict, somehow, with the router/switch he's using? |
| 06:52.04 | cabbie | ok; just checking |
| 06:52.09 | BBearr | Charmy, what does /etc/network/interfaces say? |
| 06:52.24 | BBearr | Should only be a couple of lines. |
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| 06:52.48 | TCW | Sandaasu, everything is possible... but I don't think that THIS is possible :) |
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| 06:53.00 | TCW | BBearr, we had that already |
| 06:53.08 | Charms | Got booted for somer eason |
| 06:53.10 | Charms | TCW: Anyaway, did you see the paste? |
| 06:53.17 | Charms | BBearr: i tried to DCC you the log, it didn't work |
| 06:53.30 | TCW | Charms, you did not say "where" I should read that! :) |
| 06:53.39 | BBearr | Okay. |
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| 06:55.05 | TCW | Charms, as a hint... if you did paste on the link I gave you, you need to provide me the url so I can read it |
| 06:55.48 | TCW | Sandaasu, are you with Charms right now? |
| 06:56.30 | Sandaasu | no, but I've been disuccing the problem with him |
| 06:56.32 | TCW | brb |
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| 06:57.23 | juanjose | hi, do I have to append something to the kernel for it to show the penguin at boot time?, I am already using framebuffer |
| 06:58.08 | Sandaasu | I got the link form him, he's disconnected again. http://rafb.net/paste/results/e0JIqN95.html |
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| 06:59.08 | TCW | root 453 0.0 0.6 2160 848 ? S 21:47 0:00 /sbin/dhclient-2.2.x -q eth0 <- he should kill that one and try it again |
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| 07:02.15 | Sandaasu | ok |
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| 07:03.53 | ipw | a config script i'm running is failing: "checking for dar/libdar.hpp... no" but `locate libdar.hpp` returns /usr/include/dar/libdar.hpp so how can i get the script to see it? |
| 07:04.49 | Sandaasu | that would be done with "kill 453" or "kill -9 453" ? |
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| 07:04.56 | Sandaasu | ah, ok, it's killed |
| 07:05.06 | TCW | Sandaasu, where is he? |
| 07:05.37 | Sandaasu | I'm talkign with him on MSN |
| 07:05.53 | TCW | funny :) |
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| 07:09.02 | BBearr | Charmy, I did my install connected through my router, and didn't have to tweak anything - it just worked. FWIW, my etc/network/interfaces file reads -line 1- "auto lo" -line 2- "iface lo inet loopback" -line 3- "auto eth0" -line 4- "iface eth0 inet dhcp" -end of file- |
| 07:09.07 | Sandaasu | is there anythign he should do after that? |
| 07:10.21 | TCW | Sandaasu, depends.... 1st try a new dhclient instance "dhclient eth0" if that does not help, configuring it manually and killing that dhclient (if it is still running) before |
| 07:10.58 | BBearr | Charmy, my etc/resolv.conf file reads -line 1- "search <my router's name>" -line 2- "nameserver <my router's IP address>" -end of file- |
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| 07:12.14 | TCW | BBearr, his looks nearly the same... |
| 07:12.18 | badmin | hi |
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| 07:13.24 | Sandaasu | says he's already done that |
| 07:13.43 | TCW | Sandaasu, killing dhclient and starting it again? |
| 07:14.15 | Little_Dump | I tried building the latest testing debian kernel (2.6.8-13). i did untarred did make xconfig set up all my options then i did make-kpg --initrd kernel-image then i installed with dpkg -i whateverkernel.deb and it installed and setup grub and everything. except it didnt put a line in for initrd, so i put that in myself. then i booted and it said couldnt find root=hd(0,0). but thats the same thing as what grub |
| 07:14.21 | ipw | the config.log says that it can't find bzlib.h, but i see very little mention of bzlib.h on google. any ideas what it is? |
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| 07:15.23 | Sandaasu | yes, he's tried that |
| 07:15.32 | Charms | TCW: finally reconnected to the blasted server |
| 07:15.44 | Charms | TCW: Yes, i tried kiling and restarting dhclient. I tried configuring manually. |
| 07:16.05 | Charms | TCW: Unless there is something new to try.. i think now would be a good time to give up. 24 hours on this, and no progress. |
| 07:16.07 | drac | Little_Dump: Try to get rid of whole initrd, by changing ide/scsi + filesystem supports inside the kernel, instead of modules. |
| 07:16.17 | Charms | TCW: minus sleep time anyway. |
| 07:16.25 | TCW | Charms, your choice |
| 07:16.42 | Charms | TCW: Yeah, I know. Linux is too much of a pain.. i'll just live with windows. can set it up in 45 minutes, no hassles. |
| 07:16.55 | TCW | Charms, what kind of machine is it that it prevents you from booting from cd? |
| 07:17.09 | Charms | TCW: its a very old one. AST Advantage 824! |
| 07:17.10 | BBearr | Charmy, has your machine been connected before running windows? |
| 07:17.15 | Charms | TCW: The BIOS sucks. |
| 07:17.21 | TCW | Charms, that is not the point... how would you install windows without a cd? |
| 07:17.27 | Charms | BBearr: Yep, it is quite happy networked in win98. filesharing ande everything |
| 07:17.36 | Charms | BBearr: in fact, i did a complete backup of the hard drive over the network |
| 07:17.43 | BBearr | What type of NIC is in it? |
| 07:17.48 | Charms | TCW: I used a windows 98 startup disk, and then ran setup from CD |
| 07:18.02 | TCW | Charms, why did you not do the same for linux? |
| 07:18.04 | Charms | BBearr: Realtek RTL8139 |
| 07:18.25 | drac | trl8139 is so well supported, nobody can't screw that one up :p |
| 07:18.28 | Charms | TCW: Because I don't have a blank CD to burn the image onto, and why does it matter? I wnat this machine to work with my network. how iinstalled it is irrelevant! |
| 07:19.28 | TCW | Charms, I know... but $something is broken at your side and I am fairly sure that would not be the case if the install went from cd... I can't prove that, it is just a feeling |
| 07:19.36 | drac | modprobe 8139, modprobe rlt8319, modprobe rtl8139, modprobe ne2k_pci, ifup eth0 .. |
| 07:19.51 | peterS | drac: you forgot "8139too" |
| 07:19.52 | Charms | TCW: I tried booting sarge from a netinst disk by using disk floppies first, TCW |
| 07:19.56 | drac | ;) |
| 07:19.57 | Charms | TCW: The EXACT same problem. |
| 07:19.59 | BBearr | Charms, what type of router are you using? |
| 07:20.05 | Charms | TCW: So blelieve me, i've tried CD-type install |
| 07:20.33 | Little_Dump | drac: is there any real reason to recompile a new kernel if nothings broken? |
| 07:20.41 | Charms | BBearr: Netgear RP 114 |
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| 07:20.50 | drac | Little_Dump: no? |
| 07:21.04 | TCW | Charms, then I just dont't get it... the most people in here did install lost of woodys and sarges on dozens of machines without a single problem which would compare to yours |
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| 07:21.28 | Charms | TCW: I don't get it either. I am like one of the only people who has absolute hell with this. |
| 07:21.35 | Charms | TCW: Its just fate i guess. |
| 07:22.08 | Charms | TCW: cost me the better part of my weekend, accomplishing nothing.. =( really really angry. |
| 07:22.20 | Sandaasu | It is strange, so I'm still wondering if, somehow, that router is doing it. |
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| 07:22.26 | scruffy | I just installed sarge on a machine with a 160 GB hard disk. Partitions are 2 GB swap, 50 MB /boot, and the rest for /. df -h only shows the root partition as 145 GB. What could be wrong? |
| 07:22.39 | Sandaasu | Beacuse when it works, connected diretly to the modem, it's not invovled |
| 07:22.42 | TCW | Charms, or... it is just that you allways get problems nobody else gets BUT.... you would have the cahnce to fix them and see how bogus those problems are :) |
| 07:23.04 | Charms | TCW: HuH? |
| 07:23.20 | Charms | Sandaasu: Then why would the router wiork fine with the same machine, with win98 installed? |
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| 07:23.34 | TCW | Sandaasu, Charms, how about pinging from the windows box the linux machine and vice versa? |
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| 07:24.18 | Charms | TCW: as stated by the packet sniffer, if i ping from the linux box, the network gets sapmmed with ARP rquests. "It says, Who has <ip>? The pinged person says, "I have <ip!>!" Linux box doesn't hear it. |
| 07:24.31 | Charms | TCW: If I ping the linux box, this machine goes, "Who has <ip>?" And no one responds. |
| 07:24.58 | juanjose | anybody using framebuffer with 2.4.27? |
| 07:25.08 | BBearr | Charms, your etc/resolv.conf file should read -line 1- "search <your router's name>" -line 2- "nameserver <your router's IP address>" -end of file- |
| 07:25.12 | TCW | Charms, so... nothing left to say... |
| 07:25.18 | PuBiSHaMeRicA | :-) |
| 07:25.27 | Charms | BBearr: I don't have that line 1 BBearr. |
| 07:25.38 | TCW | Charms, that 1st line is irrelvant |
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| 07:25.48 | Charms | BBearr: I do have the second line. |
| 07:25.48 | PuBiSHaMeRicA | wazzup ?! |
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| 07:26.05 | TCW | the whole resolv.conf is irrelevant... if it comes to pinging ip addresses |
| 07:26.05 | scruffy | I just installed sarge on a machine with a 160 GB hard disk. Partitions are 2 GB swap, 50 MB /boot, and the rest for /. df -h only shows the root partition as 145 GB. What could be wrong? |
| 07:26.05 | cabbie | Little_Dump: does the machine boot, or hang at the 'cant find root<0,o> message? |
| 07:26.06 | BBearr | Charms, try putting in the first line. |
| 07:26.20 | Charms | BBearr: What do i put for 'router's name'? |
| 07:26.28 | chugga | does debian include an shm entry in /etc/fstab by default? |
| 07:26.37 | BBearr | Your network has a name, that's the name you put in for your router's name. |
| 07:26.53 | diepes | scruffy: what file system |
| 07:26.55 | PuBiSHaMeRicA | any one likes SF novels ? |
| 07:26.56 | TCW | Charms, BBearr, resolv.conf is irrelevant at this point |
| 07:27.05 | scruffy | diepes: ext3 |
| 07:27.28 | BBearr | I don't think so. |
| 07:27.59 | Charms | BBearr: I have no idea waht my network's "name" is. |
| 07:28.02 | diepes | scruffy: it is probably overhead that eats the rest, inodes and the transaction log. EXT3 has trasaction log to protect against corruption, and simplify recovery. |
| 07:28.16 | scruffy | diepes: wouldn't it be kind of crazy to think a journal would eat that much space? |
| 07:28.35 | TCW | BBearr, you don't think so... but I do KNOW so ;) |
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| 07:28.37 | scruffy | diepes: gigabytes worth or journal info?? |
| 07:28.47 | BBearr | Charms, check out network properties on one of your windows machines, it will list your network name. |
| 07:28.56 | drac | Charms: Eh, I'm not quite following. Do you have DHCP, have you tried modprobing rtl8139, 8139, ne2k_pci modules and ifup eth0ing? |
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| 07:29.33 | diepes | scruffy: you will have to read up, maybe it is a % of the disk size? is all the blocks assigned under fdisk ? |
| 07:29.39 | Charms | drac: i have dhcp. the NIC module is already installed. ifup eth0 has already been done. |
| 07:29.49 | BBearr | TCW, I have a laptop that would not connect. I fixed resolv.conf, it connected. |
| 07:30.02 | drac | Charms: also ne2k_pci required by rlt8139? |
| 07:30.04 | Sandaasu | he probably means your workgroup, can try that, really shoudn't mater though. |
| 07:30.09 | peterS | drac: no |
| 07:30.16 | drac | peterS: no? |
| 07:30.19 | cabbie | /Dump |
| 07:30.21 | Charms | My workgroup? |
| 07:30.23 | peterS | drac: ne2k_pci is for the 8129, not the 8139. completely different chipsets |
| 07:30.26 | cabbie | / |
| 07:30.29 | cabbie | /dump |
| 07:30.33 | Charms | Thats "Mshome" |
| 07:30.34 | drac | peterS: oh, omg. my mistake. |
| 07:30.57 | BBearr | Charms, can you telnet your router? |
| 07:30.58 | peterS | drac: actually my mistake too. it's actually the 8029. the 8129 is similar to the 8139 and I think uses the 8139 driver |
| 07:31.00 | Charms | BBearr: You want me to put search mshome as the first line in resolv.conf? |
| 07:31.03 | TCW | BBearr, what means "does not connect"? If it means "name resolution did not work" that may be right, but that is not what is not working here. |
| 07:31.08 | Charms | BBearr: from where? |
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| 07:31.38 | Charms | BBearr: from my windows machine, yes i can |
| 07:31.38 | BBearr | Charms, from your windows machine |
| 07:33.11 | scruffy | diepes: blocks are in 1024 right? 154288260 gives me 150672 for the root partition |
| 07:33.47 | scruffy | diepes: (that was using fdisk -l) |
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| 07:34.56 | BBearr | TCW, Did not connect means no ping, no internet, no nothing. |
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| 07:35.32 | TCW | BBearr, next time you encounter such a problem, tell me :) |
| 07:35.41 | sussudio | !bear BBearr |
| 07:36.25 | BBearr | TCW, I just told you. |
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| 07:36.57 | TCW | BBearr, so you have that kind of problem right now? |
| 07:37.33 | BBearr | No, I fixed it by correcting the resolv.conf file, like I said. |
| 07:37.55 | TCW | BBearr, let me show you something... hold on a second |
| 07:37.55 | Charms | TCW: If you come up with any other advice, let me know. I official give up.. but I'd apprecaite any insight you may get. |
| 07:38.11 | Charms | TCW: you can e-mail me at.. |
| 07:38.25 | Charms | TCW: <address> /msg'd |
| 07:38.32 | TCW | Charms, if you're once in germany... take that box with you and let me know :) |
| 07:38.41 | Charms | TCW: hehe, okay |
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| 07:39.27 | TCW | Charms, ans when I am (wherever you are located in) there, I'll drop you a line ;) |
| 07:40.02 | Charms | yeah... |
| 07:40.29 | sussudio | !tell Charmy_Away about away |
| 07:40.58 | Charmy_Away | sussudio: sorry. |
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| 07:43.58 | chugga | can someone check if there is an shm entry in /etc/fstab by default? |
| 07:44.09 | slackd00d | is for me |
| 07:44.57 | cafuego | And not for me. |
| 07:45.11 | drac | peterS: It's also used by 8390, that's why I got mixed up. Had to check it out. ;) |
| 07:45.19 | cafuego | chugga: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs.sh does it, I think. |
| 07:45.39 | BBearr | chugga, no, not in mine. |
| 07:45.44 | peterS | drac: ahhhh. other way around, actually. ne2k cards, including PCI versions like the realtek 8029, have an 8390 interface chip (or compatible) on them |
| 07:46.02 | drac | ah |
| 07:46.03 | jeff | chugga: is for me on a woody-upgraded-to-sarge and a sarge installed with debian-installer rc2 box |
| 07:46.22 | TCW | BBearr, have a look in #flood |
| 07:46.24 | peterS | drac: so the 8390 kernel module just implements functions to communicate with the 8390 chip - and a lot of different ethernet card types have been built with that same basic chip on them |
| 07:46.37 | peterS | (that's why it was split into a separate module) |
| 07:47.08 | drac | yeh |
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| 07:48.07 | chugga | cafuego, what is the role of mountvirfs? |
| 07:48.16 | chugga | jeff, ok, thanks :) |
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| 07:51.08 | BBearr | TCW, #flood is empty for me. |
| 07:51.40 | cafuego | chugga: guess |
| 07:53.32 | TCW | it is empty for him? |
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| 08:00.04 | Biocorporation | anyone here using tc filter at all ? |
| 08:00.13 | Biocorporation | I am having large issues with it here. |
| 08:00.26 | Biocorporation | starting to wonder if its a bug in iproute |
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| 08:02.54 | findme | how to capture video from linux firewire other than kino, cinellerra and dvgrab ? |
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| 08:06.21 | Smurg | I just installed the minimal version of KDE(86MB) and now how do i start it up? |
| 08:06.37 | Smurg | startx --says cannot find server X error |
| 08:07.30 | Smurg | who |
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| 08:07.59 | Smurg | How do I start KDE? |
| 08:08.10 | findme | Smurg, startx |
| 08:08.20 | Smurg | findme : startx says cannot find server "X" -- error |
| 08:08.35 | findme | Smurg, xinit |
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| 08:08.41 | Smurg | findme : xinit says something else |
| 08:08.55 | Smurg | findme : I just downloaded the minimal KDE (86 MB) from aptitude |
| 08:08.58 | findme | Smurg, your x is not configured properly you need to fix that. |
| 08:09.07 | Smurg | findme : How can I do that? |
| 08:09.21 | Smurg | when I type kdesktop it says Cannot initialise display |
| 08:09.23 | findme | smacnay, read about XF86Configure and such |
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| 08:09.43 | Smurg | findme : im sorry but Im new to Linux |
| 08:09.53 | drac | Smurg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:10.14 | Smurg | drac : ok thanks ill try it and BRB |
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| 08:10.52 | nokia6000 | in my .bashrc, I have [ alias cat='cat -n' ], but I am actually doing this command [ cat file.name |more ] . is there a way to chain the [|more] part into bash? |
| 08:11.43 | findme | nokia6000, you mean aliasing it |
| 08:11.46 | peterS | nokia6000: use a shell function. cat-n () { cat -n "$1" | more; } |
| 08:12.08 | peterS | nokia6000: actually: cat-n () { cat -n "$@" | sensible-pager; } |
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| 08:17.18 | nokia6000 | peterS, ah.. ic. thx |
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| 08:33.42 | simonrvn | !ping |
| 08:33.43 | dpkg | pong |
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| 08:36.08 | Oscarian | i am making my ubuntu into a debian-ubuntu hybrid |
| 08:36.49 | Overand | it already is |
| 08:36.49 | Overand | heh |
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| 08:41.43 | _joey_ | is there a way to display all packages available in cache? |
| 08:42.44 | fusion | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 08:42.55 | _joey_ | no, in Packages list |
| 08:42.56 | fusion | or do you mean available for download |
| 08:43.01 | _joey_ | yes |
| 08:43.21 | drac | joey, apt-cache pkgnames |
| 08:43.41 | _joey_ | all |
| 08:43.51 | _joey_ | apat-cache search . |
| 08:43.55 | _joey_ | should do it |
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| 08:44.19 | _joey_ | on woody it shows 8944 |
| 08:44.30 | _joey_ | just about right:) |
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| 08:44.58 | ApEtc | !dstats woody |
| 08:45.07 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on woody... 8974 packages, 986 maintainers, 13435 MB installed size, 4305 MB compressed size. |
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| 08:45.32 | drac | !dstats sid |
| 08:45.40 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16314 packages, 1438 maintainers, 32023 MB installed size, 10313 MB compressed size. |
| 08:45.51 | _joey_ | !dstats sarge |
| 08:45.59 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15388 packages, 1398 maintainers, 28312 MB installed size, 9083 MB compressed size. |
| 08:46.06 | _joey_ | wow |
| 08:46.17 | _joey_ | we are ruling the world |
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| 08:55.26 | pingouin_ | hello #debian |
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| 08:56.33 | MobyTurbo | pingouin_: hi |
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| 08:59.18 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 09:00.01 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: quiet night |
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| 09:00.34 | simonrvn | quite |
| 09:00.50 | nokia6000 | i have this http://rafb.net/paste/results/7adc2l87.html , in my .bashrc file. so when i type "fun.comp file.name.c" it will do the tasks. just wondering if i am using the correct coding-style for bash script. |
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| 09:01.09 | simonrvn | t |
| 09:01.33 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: not willing to take any pun-ishment? |
| 09:02.22 | drac | Hmm, I just mounted old vfat hdd into /mnt/backup, moved my files out of it, and now I can't umount it anymore, saying "device is busy", but it shouldn't be.. Is there way to find out what's keeping it busy? |
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| 09:02.37 | simonrvn | i can't stand the pun anymore, it hurts too much |
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| 09:03.11 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: too much commentary from pun-dits? |
| 09:03.36 | simonrvn | aagh |
| 09:03.58 | simonrvn | drac: you're in the dir you want to unmount i bet |
| 09:03.59 | MobyTurbo | drac: lsof, see if any files are open in that tree |
| 09:04.06 | drac | simonrvn: i'm not. |
| 09:04.21 | kibab_ | Can somebody point me to some docs on configuring the network settings in /etc/network/? |
| 09:04.41 | kibab_ | I manually got the interface up and setup the routes.... now I just need to know what the configuration files are supposed to look like. |
| 09:05.12 | simonrvn | man interfaces |
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| 09:05.53 | kibab_ | simonrvn: Thanks :) .... easier than I was expecting . |
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| 09:10.36 | drac | zsh 3593 root cwd DIR 3,65 32768 1 /mnt/fatal |
| 09:10.42 | drac | fatal is my mounting point. |
| 09:10.55 | drac | But what a hell, I have nothing open. |
| 09:11.11 | iceman | lsof /mnt/fatal |
| 09:11.20 | simonrvn | what does pwd say for that shell? |
| 09:11.38 | drac | pwd /home/sighup |
| 09:11.44 | drac | and lsof /mnt/fatal says just what I pasted. |
| 09:11.58 | drac | killall -9 zsh? :-P |
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| 09:12.17 | iceman | kill -9 3593? |
| 09:12.23 | drac | ah |
| 09:12.44 | drac | worked. thanks. |
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| 09:12.50 | drac | weird process. ;o |
| 09:13.04 | iceman | just fry the bastards |
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| 09:13.28 | ideal | Hi, there. How to find what process are using the specific device? |
| 09:13.33 | simonrvn | drac: no |
| 09:13.45 | iceman | ideal: lsof /dev/device |
| 09:13.52 | simonrvn | !kill -9 |
| 09:13.54 | Ryuujin | Can anyone help me figure out how come users can log into pop3 but not webmail via horde? |
| 09:13.57 | simonrvn | !kill-9 |
| 09:13.57 | dpkg | it has been said that kill-9 is do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead |
| 09:14.00 | ideal | Thanks, iceman. |
| 09:14.35 | sepski | Ryuujin, i'd guess that webmail uses imap and not pop3.. so those 2 are totaly different |
| 09:14.38 | drac | simonrvn: does it matter in this case? i'm going to 'format' that hdd anyway now? |
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| 09:14.52 | iceman | yea simon, -9 was uncalled for |
| 09:14.56 | Ryuujin | sepski, it used to work, before upgrading qmail. |
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| 09:16.34 | sepski | Ryuujin, then i have no clue, never used any of those. |
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| 09:16.54 | Bangers | whats mysql's apt-get name? I'm getting this message using apt-get install mysql |
| 09:17.01 | kibab_ | Ok. Is there a script that calls iptables-restore or handles the firewall policy by default? |
| 09:17.02 | Bangers | Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:17.11 | iceman | Bangers: apt-cache search mysql |
| 09:18.00 | Bangers | whats that do? it returned a bunch of packages |
| 09:18.07 | sepski | kibab_, i allways recomend shorewall. since it's good and easy. |
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| 09:18.12 | simonrvn | kibab_: /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 09:18.15 | Bangers | ive apt-get installed apache2, and php4 before trying to install mysql |
| 09:18.25 | kibab_ | simonrvn: thanks. |
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| 09:18.58 | iceman | Bangers: seek among those packages to find the mysql you need |
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| 09:19.42 | Bangers | Thanks iceman. |
| 09:19.54 | Bangers | How do I query apt-get to see which version of the package will be installed? |
| 09:19.59 | sepski | Bangers, apt-cache search ^mysql gives fewer packages |
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| 09:20.09 | iceman | Bangers: apt-cache show <package> |
| 09:20.26 | simonrvn | Bangers: man apt-cache, man dpkg, man apt-get |
| 09:20.28 | johnnyST | Hi I have an Intel Pentium M in a laptop in /proc/cpuinfo so is it 1.60Ghz but lower down so dose it say "cpu Mhz 598" why is that? |
| 09:20.41 | simonrvn | Bangers: --help works too |
| 09:20.48 | Bangers | thanks guys |
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| 09:21.14 | sepski | johnnyST, wild guess. becouse of cpu downclocking in order to save batterytime |
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| 09:22.44 | kibab_ | What tool do I use to manage which scripts start in which runlevels ? |
| 09:22.55 | johnnyST | sepski, yes I guess so but how can one upclock it :) |
| 09:22.59 | sepski | kibab_, update-rc.d |
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| 09:23.15 | kibab_ | sepski: thanks |
| 09:23.52 | sepski | johnnyST, hmm shoudn't it do that by itself when you need the cycles ? never owned a laptop.. wild guess thru acpi.. |
| 09:24.36 | manchurian | hey guys, I'm a college student and I'm wondering with which flavor of Debian I should go. Would you run sid or sarge? |
| 09:25.08 | sepski | manchurian, sarge if you want to use the computer, sid if you want to help develope debian |
| 09:25.12 | Oscarian | sarge is a testing version. debian testers are super-pedantic so it's generally not too bad. |
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| 09:25.53 | manchurian | how's the stability of "sid" (I know there's unstable in it) |
| 09:26.08 | DuaneAllman | hi, is it possible to search for a package matching a particular regex only among installed packages? |
| 09:26.12 | johnnyST | sepski, I hope so I have acpi enabled and "Cpu Frequency scaling" but I am a bit worried the cpu speed in /proc/cpuinfo dose not change.. |
| 09:26.31 | sepski | manchurian, any new package may or may not brake your system. dont use SID unless you'r very good/experienced with debian linux |
| 09:26.31 | simonrvn | unstable refers to the packing, not so much the software (though it does tend to be beta s/w) |
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| 09:26.40 | simonrvn | packaging even |
| 09:26.51 | manchurian | alright. Thanks guys. |
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| 09:26.52 | MobyTurbo | manchurian: sid is fairly stable at the moment, but it's been known to do things like have important packages break. Like when PAM broke you couldn't even log in. |
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| 09:27.08 | manchurian | oh. |
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| 09:27.45 | helloyo | i tried installing sarge and my x stuffed up, but don't worry about that, i'll just use a terminal for a bit, but could somebody help me with mpg321? it can't use the libao driver because it might be being used... any ideas? |
| 09:27.54 | simonrvn | hmm, i shouldn't say it, it might happen ;) |
| 09:28.04 | sepski | johnnyST, im not sure if it ever will or should.. google if the chan can't help you |
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| 09:29.35 | johnnyST | ok |
| 09:29.47 | kibab_ | Cool! I have a fully up and running debian install :) Thanks for the help everyone. |
| 09:30.03 | simonrvn | @debian++ |
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| 09:30.47 | kibab_ | It's waaaaaaayyyyyyy past my bedtime, so goodnight all ..... |
| 09:30.49 | sepski | johnnyST, cat |
| 09:30.50 | kibab_ | Thanks again. |
| 09:31.01 | sepski | johnnyST, cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
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| 09:32.05 | johnnyST | sepski, I du not have cpufreq in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/ |
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| 09:32.48 | johnnyST | sepski, well I found somthing in the kernel konfiguration ondemand I will test that.. |
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| 09:33.22 | Tony[] | hi |
| 09:33.42 | sepski | johnnyST, also i guess you need powernowd or another cpu scaler |
| 09:34.19 | Tony[] | I just had a RAID array fail on me .... I need to get some data back but I'm not sure how to..... can anyone here give any sugestions where to start? |
| 09:34.26 | DuaneAllman | how do I remove packages which are not needed anymore ? |
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| 09:34.54 | Tony[] | xfs_repair says that there is no superblock |
| 09:35.12 | MobyTurbo | DuaneAllman: apt-get remove |
| 09:35.18 | Tony[] | someone suggested using dd |
| 09:35.22 | helloyo | in the terminal when a program's "gui" gets messed up, can i make it redraw it? |
| 09:35.25 | johnnyST | sepski, ok.. |
| 09:35.32 | Phated | helloyo: Usually ctrl-l. |
| 09:35.57 | DuaneAllman | MobyTurbo, no, I mean, I am sure I have packages on my system not needed anymore by any other package, how do I remove them? |
| 09:36.11 | Phated | DuaneAllman: You apt-get remove them. Like he said. |
| 09:36.17 | emilios1 | how do I install programs that have .iso format? |
| 09:36.24 | sepski | Tony[], 1 dd your data to a working storage to avoid damaging your broken drives further, then do all recovery appempths on the new set |
| 09:36.36 | emilios1 | ^any help will be grat |
| 09:36.42 | DuaneAllman | so the question become: how do I find packages not needed anymore by any other package? |
| 09:36.52 | helloyo | Phated, perfect! |
| 09:36.58 | Tony[] | sepski, can you siuggest a syntax, since I'm very unfamiliar with dd |
| 09:36.59 | Phated | helloyo: :) |
| 09:37.00 | sepski | Tony[], there is a dd-rescue that is basicaly dd with the options you need to do such a transfer |
| 09:37.09 | Tony[] | great |
| 09:37.14 | Phated | DuaneAllman: deborphan, man deborphan for further options. |
| 09:37.32 | DuaneAllman | Phated, thanks |
| 09:37.34 | MobyTurbo | emilios1: cdrecord, if you're using a 2.4 kernel you'll probably want to make it use ide-scsi for that program. |
| 09:37.45 | Tony[] | sepski: no dd-rescue on my system :/ |
| 09:37.54 | sepski | Tony[], you need to apt-get it |
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| 09:37.58 | Tony[] | ok |
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| 09:38.08 | emilios1 | MobyTUrbo : thanks I will do that |
| 09:38.20 | sepski | Tony[], also you didnt secify if it was hardware or software raid, the raid level or how it broke. |
| 09:38.51 | Tony[] | it was hardware RAID .... the container failed to repair |
| 09:39.14 | usn | good morning |
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| 09:39.55 | Tony[] | kernel: aacraid:Both Drives on Mirror Container 1 failed |
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| 09:40.32 | sepski | Tony[], was the raid running on degraded or did both fail at the same time (uncommon)? |
| 09:41.04 | Tony[] | I suspect it was running on degraded for half a day and no one noticed |
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| 09:41.54 | Tony[] | it wasn't cheap hardware so I was quite surprised |
| 09:41.55 | thm | Hi! Iwant to ask: In Debian ,the bytecode in freetype(2) is on or off? |
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| 09:42.47 | thm | And how I can understand which value it have now -> it is on or it is off ? I'm not sure i'm asking the right question, but :| |
| 09:42.58 | sepski | Tony[], myrphy strikes again. that's why raid is not backup |
| 09:43.38 | Tony[] | no ... and I have a recentish backup, but I need to pick the latest DB changes from the time of the backup to the time of the failure |
| 09:44.24 | simonrvn | thm: maybe #mindreaders can help |
| 09:44.45 | thm | simonrvn: this is a joke or you are serios ? |
| 09:45.06 | simonrvn | you haven't said what you're talking about. |
| 09:45.07 | Tony[] | I've been to #mindreaders before.... they're not as much help as they think you are thinking that they are |
| 09:45.16 | fusion | LOL |
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| 09:45.40 | yfs | what's #mindreaders? |
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| 09:46.04 | Tony[] | it's like #clairevoyants only less pretentious |
| 09:46.16 | yfs | hm. |
| 09:46.36 | thm | simonrvn: How can I understand is the bytecode interpreter in freetype2 is ON or OFF ? freetype.org -> "# |
| 09:46.36 | thm | A full-featured and efficient TrueType bytecode interpreter. The engine is able to produce excellent output at small point sizes. This component has been extremely difficult to get right, due to the ambiguous and misleadings TrueType specifications. However, we now match Windows and Mac qualities. Please read our Patents page to learn more about some issues when using the interpreter. |
| 09:46.36 | thm | " |
| 09:47.01 | Tony[] | if you join #mindreaders the channel will be empty, but they will start to arrive once they sense your presence, you just have to be patient |
| 09:47.06 | simonrvn | *now* we know. /etc/fonts/ |
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| 09:47.25 | yfs | thx |
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| 09:47.44 | thm | So in Debian it is not compiled in (on) ? |
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| 09:47.56 | thm | It can be given like option in /etc/fonts/local.conf ? |
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| 09:48.14 | thm | I have to go , please msg me your answer , thank you ! bye |
| 09:48.31 | MobyTurbo | thm: I think you can also choose it with dpkg-reconfigure a particular package |
| 09:48.33 | simonrvn | it should be there already |
| 09:48.39 | simonrvn | fontconfig |
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| 09:50.01 | Backz | hi, I've problems with gmailfs package, it requires fuse-utils (>=2.0+2.1pre0) and python-fuse (>=2.0+2.1 pre0) but both isn't installable... I'm using debian sid.. what I must do? |
| 09:50.06 | thm | From the fonts I see and other people say "bytecode is off" :( I try several configurations of local.conf , but I haven't any success |
| 09:50.09 | Albacker | guys I intalled debian [i couldnt start the X server] and I installed irssi for coming here and used pon/poff to connect. when I do /server irc.freenode.net I get : Temporary failure in name resolution [it doesnt work with other servers too]. when I type startx I get Fatal server error : addscreen/screenInt failed for drive 0 and X connection to :0.0 broken (expicit kill or server shutdown) CAn anyone help me ? |
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| 09:50.47 | simonrvn | thm: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 09:51.40 | simonrvn | Albacker: 1) fix your DNS (/etc/resolv.conf) 2) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 09:52.02 | Albacker | will that work ? |
| 09:52.06 | thm | simonrvn: Real Thanks ! |
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| 09:52.09 | thm | bye |
| 09:52.12 | Albacker | and what about fixin my DNS ? |
| 09:52.25 | MobyTurbo | Albacker: why don't you try it and find out |
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| 09:53.00 | Albacker | MobyTurbo : I'm in windows at the moment and i'll try everything when I reboot. |
| 09:53.02 | lee__ | Hi, im dualbooting windows xp and debian, I want to remove the debian partition and only use the windows boot loader instead of lilo, how would i do this? |
| 09:54.25 | MobyTurbo | Albacker: so go do that |
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| 09:54.31 | grumpydog | Stick in an XP disk it thinks it is god. |
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| 09:54.47 | Albacker | MobyTurbo : how do I know my DNS ? where do I find it ? |
| 09:54.52 | grumpydog | why not fdisk windows? |
| 09:55.08 | MobyTurbo | Albacker: your ISP should document that on its website. |
| 09:55.23 | cafuego | grumpydog: Coz it doesn't do anything. mkfs might. |
| 09:55.23 | lee__ | fdisk? |
| 09:55.26 | Phated | Albacker: If not, you can run winipcfg on windows and click on more info. |
| 09:55.27 | Albacker | hmm :S |
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| 09:55.35 | lee__ | oh |
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| 09:57.15 | MobyTurbo | Albacker: if you're on dial-up you can configure it (with pppconfig) to use "dynamic" rather than "static" and it will configure /etc/resolv.conf for you. |
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| 09:57.41 | Albacker | ok THanks MobyTurbo ! |
| 09:57.47 | MobyTurbo | np |
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| 10:05.37 | Backz | how I install a .deb forcing deps? |
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| 10:06.04 | Zap-W | how this happened ?? : debian:/etc# ls -l profile ls: profile: Permission denied , debian:/etc# chmod u+r profile chmod: cannot access `profile': Permission denied |
| 10:06.07 | Zap-W | help |
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| 10:09.04 | inetd | Zap-W: change as root |
| 10:09.24 | Zap-W | I AM root |
| 10:09.35 | inetd | Zap-W: try chattr -i profile |
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| 10:10.19 | inetd | if that dont work ...maybe you got file ACLs |
| 10:11.03 | Zap-W | never mind FS is gone |
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| 10:12.17 | Overand | someone needs to hack up a driver for the VKB |
| 10:12.22 | Overand | er VLB |
| 10:12.28 | Overand | ... VLK |
| 10:12.38 | Overand | http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ |
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| 10:13.08 | Overand | It's a serial (or bluetooth) device that looks like it uses a completely propietary protocol. |
| 10:13.11 | inetd | Backz: man dpkg |
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| 10:13.58 | Zap-W | bad memory can cause FS to get corrupted? |
| 10:14.01 | SexyKen | Listen guys, I need something that will monitor servers. Nagios aint workin' too well. |
| 10:14.04 | Zap-W | bad memory can cause FS to become corrupted? |
| 10:15.18 | inetd | Zap-W: no! |
| 10:15.35 | inetd | SexyKen: what sort of monitoring? |
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| 10:16.47 | simonrvn | nagios works fine |
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| 10:17.12 | inetd | simonrvn: thats right :) |
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| 10:17.40 | inetd | cacti is quite easy to setup aswell, or cricket, mrtg, etc..etc :) |
| 10:17.44 | SexyKen | •inetd• Service Monitoring and Server monitoring. Nagios randomly says servers are offline and says plugins timeout. |
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| 10:19.08 | inetd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:19.22 | inetd | but if you are finding it too hard then try cacti |
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| 10:19.35 | dnb | how can i remove exim4 fully ? |
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| 10:19.58 | fatal_ | dnb: apt-get install any-other-mta |
| 10:20.09 | dnb | :) |
| 10:20.35 | inetd | dnb: dpkg -r exim4 |
| 10:20.37 | dnb | there aren't any option to remove only.. |
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| 10:20.38 | SexyKen | •inetd• cacti looks like it's more for measuring traffic, am I wrong? |
| 10:20.48 | dnb | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove exim4 which isn't installed. |
| 10:20.48 | dpkg | You are moron #13, dnb |
| 10:20.54 | dnb | i tried that but.. |
| 10:21.13 | inetd | SexyKen: you can do service monitoring aswell |
| 10:21.30 | inetd | SexyKen: another good one is BigBrother :) nice and simple |
| 10:21.34 | SexyKen | •inetd• Between multiple servers? I have 40 servers I need to monitor. |
| 10:21.38 | fatal_ | dnb: ".. exim4 which isn't installed." |
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| 10:21.57 | SexyKen | 40 services and at least twice as many services. |
| 10:22.08 | inetd | SexyKen: you can setup as much as you like. 40 or 100 it works well |
| 10:22.17 | dnb | fatal_, but it's running ? |
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| 10:22.23 | dnb | root 7449 0.0 0.6 4200 1696 ? Ss 12:22 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -Mc 1CxjYS-0001w8-8j |
| 10:22.24 | dnb | Debian- 7453 0.0 0.7 4204 1752 ? S 12:22 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -Mc 1CxjYS-0001w8-8j |
| 10:22.35 | inetd | SexyKen: if this is for a data center or something then have a look at NMIS |
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| 10:22.47 | fatal_ | dnb: try kill |
| 10:22.48 | inetd | SexyKen: or OpenNMS |
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| 10:23.30 | dnb | fatal_, i'm trying but they're running again.. |
| 10:23.31 | SexyKen | inetd, It's for a Shared Hosting company. We want to make sure our servers/services dont fail. And when they do, we need to be notified. |
| 10:23.38 | dnb | and their pid numbers are always changing |
| 10:24.05 | inetd | SexyKen: look at NMIS and OpenNMS then |
| 10:24.21 | Backz | Who use gmailfs? |
| 10:24.26 | inetd | dnb: pkill -9 exim4 |
| 10:24.40 | dnb | hmm |
| 10:24.41 | inetd | dnb: see if dpkg -L exim4 (shows any files) |
| 10:24.45 | dnb | it's ok now |
| 10:25.06 | dnb | debian:/usr/sbin# dpkg -L exim4 |
| 10:25.06 | dnb | Package `exim4' is not installed. |
| 10:25.08 | dnb | but.... |
| 10:25.20 | inetd | dnb: dpkg -l | grep exim |
| 10:25.23 | dnb | debian:/usr/sbin# dpkg -l|grep exim4 |
| 10:25.23 | dnb | ri exim4-base 4.34-10 EXperimental Internal Mailer -- a Mail Trans |
| 10:25.23 | dnb | ii exim4-config 4.34-10 Debian configuration for exim4 |
| 10:25.25 | dnb | i did it.. |
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| 10:25.36 | inetd | dnb: and uninstall each package |
| 10:25.37 | dnb | tr.. |
| 10:25.39 | dnb | re.. |
| 10:25.54 | dnb | i can't |
| 10:25.56 | inetd | dnb: dont paste here... |
| 10:26.02 | dnb | they've dependencies package |
| 10:26.06 | FlopsyPete | I'm trying to setup thinkpad-source, its README instructions say to create a .config with make menuconfig but that generates loads of errors (i.e. "scripts/basic/fixedp.c:97:23: sys/types.h: Nos uch file or directory" and various "implicit declaration" and "'NULL' undeclared"). this is 2.6.8-13 / 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 10:27.02 | drac | FlopsyPete: have you installed package build-essential ? |
| 10:27.06 | inetd | dnb: dpkg --force-help |
| 10:27.41 | FlopsyPete | drac: no. the Debian README for thinkpad-source said to install various packages but not that. I'll give it a go |
| 10:27.48 | SexyKen | inetd Why do you suggest NMIS/OpenNMS |
| 10:28.24 | inetd | SexyKen: bcoz of its scalability, robustness, etc..etc |
| 10:29.01 | inetd | SexyKen: if you want to know more about eg: OpenNMS , google "OpenNMS presentation" |
| 10:29.26 | inetd | SexyKen: you will find some powerpoint slides...which gives pros and cons of OpenNMS |
| 10:29.39 | inetd | SexyKen: for NMIS...there isnt much documented..you just gotta give it a try |
| 10:30.37 | SexyKen | So even though all I want to do is Monitor my servers and services and be notified when they go offline -- I should get this? |
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| 10:32.32 | inetd | SexyKen: well yes..thats what i have been tellin you all alone |
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| 10:33.18 | SexyKen | Okay so I should install opennms tomorrow then yes? |
| 10:33.31 | helloyo | how do i setup oss in the shell? |
| 10:33.52 | Tony[] | sepski: I have the package, ddrescue ... whats the best way to do it |
| 10:34.27 | FlopsyPete | the next error I get running make menuconfig says I need to install ncurses-devel but there's no such package. does it perhaps mean libncurses5-dev? |
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| 10:34.34 | Tony[] | ddrescue /dev/sdb ..... |
| 10:35.02 | Tony[] | but does the output destination also have to be a block device? |
| 10:35.08 | sepski | Tony[], dd_rescue /dev/sourcedevice /dev/destinationdevice |
| 10:35.16 | inetd | helloyo: oss ? |
| 10:35.28 | sepski | can be a file if you want to make an image forinstance |
| 10:35.40 | inetd | FlopsyPete: yeap |
| 10:35.49 | sepski | but i usualy use identical drives/raids since it's easier on the mind |
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| 10:35.55 | Tony[] | I just want the most convenient way to pick the last few bits of data I need |
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| 10:36.16 | FlopsyPete | inetd: is that a bug I should report then? |
| 10:36.23 | sepski | Tony[], this just clones the drive, for you to have a working drive to try your data recovery tool on |
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| 10:36.41 | inetd | FlopsyPete: no, why would it be a bug? you just havent got that package installed |
| 10:37.09 | Tony[] | ok .... I may have to repatition some of a drive to give me a useful block device then |
| 10:37.31 | sepski | Tony[], as said. you _can_ use a image file |
| 10:37.55 | Tony[] | but will I be able to access the image file without special tools? |
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| 10:38.25 | FlopsyPete | inetd: no, the bug being it said install ncurses-devel when it should have said the correct package name of libncurses5-dev - or is ncurses-devel a part of libncurses5-dev? in which case I think it should give the package name so I know what to install |
| 10:38.45 | resiak | FlopsyPete: apt-cache search ncurses dev would have found the right package. |
| 10:38.57 | FlopsyPete | ok |
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| 10:39.12 | inetd | FlopsyPete: what resiak said, and ncurses-devel is a pet name for libncursees5-dev ;) |
| 10:39.59 | sepski | Tony[], you can grep it and search for the data you need forinstance, loopback mount it if it's in that working state, if you want to use 3rdparty rescue programs i guess it might need to be a disk... havnt had to do that yet, i try to do backups instead |
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| 10:40.54 | helloyo | how do i get oss to work in the shell? |
| 10:41.01 | inetd | helloyo: what oss? |
| 10:41.17 | yalu | works nicely |
| 10:41.24 | resiak | inetd: The sound kind, methinks. |
| 10:41.51 | helloyo | resiak, yes |
| 10:42.08 | resiak | helloyo: What do you mean, get it to work in the shell? |
| 10:42.18 | inetd | helloyo: oss mixer? |
| 10:42.37 | Tony[] | sepski: does it copy all blocks (empty blocks too) or only data? |
| 10:42.44 | helloyo | resiak, well i stuffed up a sarge install somehow, and now i'm stuck with the shell, but thats ok for now, i'm just trying to run mpg321, but oss seems to be busy or something |
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| 10:42.57 | resiak | helloyo: Let me guess... you're running either aRTs or ESD? |
| 10:43.08 | resiak | helloyo: Oh, sorry, you're not. Did you install a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 10:43.10 | sepski | Tony[], it copies everything, except the compleatly broken blocks |
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| 10:43.17 | resiak | helloyo: IOW, are you sure that ALSA isn't installed? |
| 10:43.28 | Tony[] | 8M of errors so fare |
| 10:43.30 | Tony[] | far |
| 10:43.38 | helloyo | resiak, yes i did install a 2.6 kernel |
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| 10:44.20 | Tony[] | it says "Rescued = 0B" ? |
| 10:44.33 | Tony[] | but claims it is still copying data |
| 10:44.50 | Tony[] | it's only list errors |
| 10:44.55 | Tony[] | not anything else |
| 10:45.25 | Tony[] | now delimiting errors? |
| 10:45.37 | resiak | helloyo: You probably want to be using ALSA. Try mpg321 -o alsa09 foofoofoo.mp3 |
| 10:45.57 | Tony[] | according to ddrescue, the error size is the total size of the disks (146GB) |
| 10:46.23 | Tony[] | splitting error areas |
| 10:46.45 | helloyo | resiak, i've had big problems with alsa before, is it possible to run oss? |
| 10:46.48 | Tony[] | I guess it tries to rescua the data after it's finished doing all this |
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| 10:47.33 | resiak | helloyo: If you want. I'm afraid that I'm not really experienced with OSS, though, so I probably can't be much help. |
| 10:47.46 | acasafemto | Anyone have an AMD 64 box? |
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| 10:47.53 | estel | how can i check if the kernel i use has support for (v)fat? |
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| 10:48.13 | acasafemto | Is compilation times a lot better on the AMD 64 compared to the AMD 32s? |
| 10:48.38 | sepski | Tony[], no it _just_ copies what's possible to copy, in order for you to work on the data without further damaging your drive |
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| 10:48.48 | Tony[] | ok |
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| 10:49.14 | Tony[] | sp do all these errors meant that it is unable to find any good data? |
| 10:49.21 | Tony[] | s/sp/so/ |
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| 10:50.32 | sepski | Tony[], it means that part of the drive is broken beyond readability yes, |
| 10:50.41 | Tony[] | poo |
| 10:50.50 | edrx` | anyone knows how to configure pam to always authorize everything? it's for a minimal system (an initrd with a shell, actually)... |
| 10:51.00 | sepski | you can allways send the drive to some pro data recovery facility to have them rescue it |
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| 10:51.39 | sepski | Tony[], i guess you'r next logical step would be to copy your master image for backup, then try something like xfs_repair or whatsnot |
| 10:51.39 | Tony[] | sepski: that'll cost $$$$ |
| 10:51.46 | sepski | Tony[], ofcourse |
| 10:51.51 | tomsa | Hello, I would like to know how can I check that file locking is available on my nfs mounted partition. How can I do that ? |
| 10:52.06 | Tony[] | xfs_repair complains about a lack of a superblock |
| 10:52.15 | mikebolton | when I try "apt-get upgrade" , I get the message "unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file'" is the kernel.org ftp servers down? |
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| 10:52.24 | helloyo | can i view images without a x server? |
| 10:52.33 | sepski | Tony[], have you tried running xfs_repain on a know broken harddrive ? |
| 10:52.44 | tomsa | helloyo: maybe you can use the framebuffer |
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| 10:52.52 | Tony[] | sepski: ?? |
| 10:52.57 | inetd | helloyo: no |
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| 10:53.09 | mikebolton | I meant apt-get update |
| 10:53.10 | helloyo | inetd, ok thanks |
| 10:53.22 | Pumpkin_Pie | how do I kill a process based on its file name? |
| 10:53.26 | edrx | helloyo: zgv |
| 10:53.32 | sepski | Pumpkin_Pie, killall psname |
| 10:53.44 | edrx | helloyo: if you mean gifs, pngs, etc |
| 10:53.47 | sepski | Pumpkin_Pie, man killall first |
| 10:54.04 | helloyo | edrx, what about jpg? |
| 10:54.16 | edrx | it supports jpg too |
| 10:54.18 | inetd | tomsa: maybe you could do rpcinfo -p | grep lock |
| 10:54.26 | FlopsyPete | the thinkpad-source readme says when using make menuconfig I should make sure that the APM driver is selected - does selected mean a 'M' or a '*'? |
| 10:54.29 | edrx | apt-get install zgv |
| 10:54.30 | Tony[] | rescued: 0 B, errsize: 146 GB, current rate: 0 B/s |
| 10:54.44 | Pumpkin_Pie | sepski: the main file doesn't have psname in it |
| 10:54.47 | Tony[] | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.52 | Pumpkin_Pie | s/main/man |
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| 10:55.19 | tomsa | inetd: it returns nlockmgr |
| 10:55.24 | sepski | Tony[], a defect drive gives all kind of wierdness, thats why you do all your rescue attempths on the cloned disk |
| 10:55.30 | inetd | helloyo: oops forgot about zgv...try that :) |
| 10:55.40 | sepski | Pumpkin_Pie, killall 'thenameoftheprosessyouwanttokill' |
| 10:55.46 | Tony[] | sepski: will wait patiently |
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| 10:55.59 | helloyo | inetd, yeah, it does the job, thanks edrx |
| 10:56.21 | sepski | Tony[], im not an xfs expert i guess others in here would be better at helping you with that |
| 10:56.27 | Tony[] | ok |
| 10:56.51 | Pumpkin_Pie | sepski: ive been doing that but I see "Argus" and it says "Argus: no process killed" |
| 10:57.08 | mikebolton | has anyone using sarge recently run into problems when they apt-get update? |
| 10:57.09 | Pumpkin_Pie | 31460 ? Ss 0:00 Argus |
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| 10:57.43 | sepski | why dont you just try to kill the pid ? also i thin kyou can killall -9 psname |
| 10:58.13 | Pumpkin_Pie | sepski: becuase thats not what im trying to do.. killall -9 psname does not work |
| 10:58.22 | Gumby | kill -9 psname |
| 10:58.26 | Gumby | sorry |
| 10:58.30 | Gumby | kill -9 pid |
| 10:58.41 | Gumby | allthough kill -9 isnt that good of an idea. its more of a last resort |
| 10:58.47 | Pumpkin_Pie | Gumby: im not trying to kill the process by the pid |
| 10:59.04 | Pumpkin_Pie | if you're saying killall psname should work, it should? |
| 10:59.20 | Biocorporation | anyone here used htb at all ? |
| 10:59.22 | Pumpkin_Pie | it doesn't |
| 10:59.29 | Biocorporation | got some issues with marking not working. |
| 10:59.34 | Gumby | Pumpkin_Pie: it depends on the state of the program |
| 10:59.34 | sepski | Pumpkin_Pie, it will send the signal to the ps yes, but ony you know what ps that is what signal it needs |
| 10:59.35 | inetd | Pumpkin_Pie: use pkill :) |
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| 10:59.47 | giwe | Is there a way to go back from frame type "none" to "normal" in a window? |
| 10:59.47 | tdfc | i'm experiencing trouble with sarge's gpm, it absolutely doesn't work as it did before, that's with -m /dev/psaux -t ps2 any ideas ? |
| 10:59.49 | sepski | Pumpkin_Pie, thats why you read the manpage 'man killall' to understand what your doing |
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| 10:59.58 | ThePiratemaster_ | im running woody atm, is it hard to upgrade to sarge once it's been declared stable? |
| 11:00.16 | Gumby | ThePiratemaster_: nope |
| 11:00.33 | Gumby | ThePiratemaster_: set your sources to sarge and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:01.16 | Pumpkin_Pie | inetd: thx :) |
| 11:01.32 | sepski | off i go |
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| 11:02.16 | tdfc | this happens from time to time when i upgrade gpm and i've never fixed it |
| 11:02.20 | ThePiratemaster | sorry i got cut off |
| 11:02.40 | ThePiratemaster | is it possible to upgrate to sarge once woody is installed? |
| 11:03.01 | appaji | I want to burn data and music CDs from my Debian box, which console / command line software would be good to use to do this? |
| 11:03.11 | tdfc | ThePiratemaster - yes look at the debian faq |
| 11:03.26 | tdfc | appaji - cdrecord |
| 11:03.33 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 11:04.19 | Pumpkin_Pie | oh my god! I just killed SSH on my box |
| 11:04.50 | appaji | tdfc: Thank you :) |
| 11:05.18 | Pumpkin_Pie | pkill is very non specific |
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| 11:05.30 | inetd | Pumpkin_Pie: if you used pkill ..you cant go wrong! bcoz you always kill the process by name |
| 11:05.33 | appaji | tdfc: Are there alternatives? Or, are they mostly software that try to imitate cdrecord, and put skins or a front-end over it? |
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| 11:05.53 | Pumpkin_Pie | inetd: if I type sh it will match *sh* ? |
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| 11:06.29 | inetd | Pumpkin_Pie: look at pstree if you kill a sh shell ...most likely the child process will die aswell |
| 11:06.44 | Pumpkin_Pie | erhm.. |
| 11:06.57 | tdfc | appaji - mostly software that proxy cdrecord i guess there are "standalone" guis somewhere |
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| 11:07.18 | Pumpkin_Pie | well.. time to drive to the data center to use console :P |
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| 11:08.06 | tdfc | i hope you have irc in your car it could be boring |
| 11:08.07 | helloyo | what do i use to make an iso? |
| 11:08.09 | PeQua | do i need to burn all sarge CDs? |
| 11:08.24 | helloyo | PeQua, no just get the net install and download what you need |
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| 11:08.37 | tdfc | PeQua - no only two floppies |
| 11:08.42 | Pumpkin_Pie | tdfc: thats an idea |
| 11:08.42 | inetd | helloyo: mkisofs |
| 11:08.45 | appaji | PeQua: do a network based install or use jigdo to burn CDs. |
| 11:09.03 | PeQua | helloyo: the problem is there that i can't get my network card wording (also with the drivers on floppy) |
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| 11:09.15 | PeQua | wording=working |
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| 11:10.20 | tdfc | PeQua - http://people.debian.org/~blade/boot-floppies |
| 11:10.21 | inetd | PeQua: modprobe -t net |
| 11:10.46 | cowbud | anyone got a crazy find string the will execute something in each directory it finds? |
| 11:10.54 | cowbud | the/that |
| 11:11.27 | tdfc | that's a crazy idea |
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| 11:11.51 | giwe | try /usr/sbin/crazy |
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| 11:12.24 | tdfc | cowbud - you want to execute all executable files from a root directory or just run something in each dirs from a root ? |
| 11:12.35 | Charms | Can someone help me with my XWindows install? I'm having video troubles. I'm using a Diamond Stealth II (rendition verite 2100 chipset) and i chose the 4.0 rendition driver for the install. "X" works, as in i get a normal looking interface, with a workable mouse, but when i CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE out, i do not get returned to the command prompt. The mouse cursor disappears, and the machine hangs. |
| 11:12.36 | cowbud | tdfc: the second one.. |
| 11:12.38 | Tony[] | server just hung |
| 11:12.44 | tdfc | this is so pointless |
| 11:12.48 | ThePiratemaster | debian faq wasnt much help, does woody upgrade to packages that are stable, does this include libs and kernel? |
| 11:12.49 | tdfc | i don't understand |
| 11:12.53 | Charms | Anyone have any tips? X _does_ work fine if i use a generic vga driver with an 8-bit color depth. |
| 11:13.25 | cowbud | ? |
| 11:13.33 | giwe | ThePiratemaster, basically you'll have to change /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:13.59 | ThePiratemaster | so just change the source from wich to update? |
| 11:14.08 | tdfc | cowbud - why would you want to do that ? |
| 11:14.10 | giwe | ThePiratemaster, yes. |
| 11:14.22 | cowbud | tdfc: cause I have a script that will go through my mp3s and download the lyrics.. |
| 11:14.24 | cowbud | and I want to run it |
| 11:14.33 | cowbud | tdfc: do you know how to do it or is my search only prolonged by talking to you ;) |
| 11:14.35 | inetd | cowbud: find . -type d -exec ls {} \; |
| 11:14.48 | inetd | replace ls with the command you want |
| 11:14.48 | cowbud | ahh -d |
| 11:14.50 | ThePiratemaster | debian is so simple i dint even thought of that... |
| 11:14.57 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 11:15.30 | giwe | ThePiratemaster, good luck. |
| 11:15.33 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 11:15.38 | tdfc | cowbud - your question was really bad, i just tend not to help people when i think they're not asking a good question to solve a problem they have inapropriately, however you spell this |
| 11:15.39 | ThePiratemaster | does it include kernels? |
| 11:15.52 | Gumby | anyone here know what would cause the kernel to disable an irq when a module is loaded? |
| 11:16.08 | helloyo | haha, this is the first time i'm not using a gui, and i am acutally browsing the web, talking on msn, copying files from my camera, burnt them to a cd... talking on this as well obviously, wow! |
| 11:16.09 | Gumby | if it isnt the module itself |
| 11:16.11 | cowbud | tdfc: uhh was that really worth all the time it is like fucking 3am here and I am drunk off my ass so I wouldn't expect that much, none the less inetd knew what I wanted |
| 11:16.18 | giwe | ThePiratemaster, it should include whatever is included the new distro. Obviously you'll have to reboot to run the new kernel. |
| 11:16.18 | ThePiratemaster | i dont |
| 11:16.23 | cowbud | tdfc: what is your native tongue of doom? |
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| 11:16.32 | tdfc | cowbud - you should have said you was drunk before, it would have changed everything |
| 11:16.35 | ThePiratemaster | try to see in its compiled wrong |
| 11:16.43 | cowbud | hahha |
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| 11:16.50 | cowbud | whiskey is my poison |
| 11:16.52 | Charms | can anyone offer any guidance on my problem? |
| 11:17.20 | tdfc | cowbud - it's a mixt of indian, polynesian and spanish. |
| 11:17.46 | cowbud | tdfc: hrmm |
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| 11:18.23 | tdfc | i live in the rainforest |
| 11:18.40 | inetd | Charms: what is your problem? |
| 11:18.45 | goron | I installed the Debian NVidia packages, but when I do startx, I get NVIDIA(EE) cannot initialize the driver. It seems the kernel versions don't match. If I do everything from source everything goes ok. |
| 11:19.23 | tdfc | they're probably kernel specific drivers that matches packaged kernels, my two cents |
| 11:19.31 | cowbud | tdfc: ahh and you just use a shell in the us or what? |
| 11:19.46 | tdfc | yes i could be killed for using irc around here |
| 11:19.49 | Charms | inetd: I'm having trouble getting X to work on my linux box. I'm using a rendition verite 2100 chipset. Using xfree86 4.x and the rendition video driver doesn't seem to work. it displays fine, however if it ry to leave to a command prompt, it doesn't work. |
| 11:19.51 | cowbud | ahahaha |
| 11:20.00 | cowbud | tdfc: this is your government ready to strike as you type |
| 11:20.18 | tdfc | let's move to #drunk if you don't mind |
| 11:20.31 | Charms | inetd: To make matters worse, xdm is set up to auto-run right now, so i can't get back to a command prompt. I don't know how to disable it before it boots automatically.. |
| 11:20.33 | cowbud | blah i'll just go back to my show |
| 11:21.22 | inetd | Charms: edit /etc/inittab and set id:5:initdefault: to id:2:initdefault: |
| 11:21.50 | Charms | inetd: unfortunately i can't inetd. I don't have a windows manager installed, so xdm doesn't take me anywhere, and i can't get back to a command prompt, because X is bugged |
| 11:22.00 | Charms | inetd: So I need a way to boot the machine without running xdm. Any idea how i do that? |
| 11:22.12 | Charms | inetd: with the consideration that i can't edit any files in this state =/ |
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| 11:22.59 | inetd | Charms: when xdm starts, press ctrl+alt+F2 or something..so you get a login |
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| 11:23.23 | Poeloq | Hi everybody! |
| 11:23.42 | Charms | inetd: Yes, normally that works inetd, but as i told you, X is buggeed. I can't change to another virtual console. When I do, the mouse cursor disappears, but the desktop remains on the screen |
| 11:23.49 | Charms | inetd: Thats why I said i can't get to a command prompt. the desktop never goes away. |
| 11:24.28 | inetd | Charms: ok..umm..boot from cd and mount root file system and change the /etc/inittab |
| 11:24.28 | Poeloq | I have a problem with my Debian box. I use a german keyboard and my "Alt Gr" doesnt work, that means no (at) sign or anything. How do I change this? Im really stuck here... |
| 11:24.28 | Amyb | Charms: pressing Ctrl - Alt -Backspace a few times doesn't work either? |
| 11:24.35 | Charms | inetd: i can't boot from a CD, this BIOS doesn't support booting from CD |
| 11:24.52 | Charms | Amyb: CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE simply takes me back to the XDM login screen. |
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| 11:24.57 | Charms | Amyb: Doesn't take me out. |
| 11:25.16 | Charms | ientd: I can use my emergency boot floppy, is thats useful? |
| 11:25.16 | green_earz | Charms: do you have lilo or grub boot loader ? |
| 11:25.33 | Charms | green_earz: I have the LILO boot loader |
| 11:25.56 | giwe | inetd, Wasn't there a boot command to stop at run level 0 for Charms? |
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| 11:26.16 | pablo_ | hi |
| 11:26.19 | Charms | if I can start at a low enough run level that xdm doesn't run, that would be great. |
| 11:26.25 | Charms | but i don't know how to do that. |
| 11:26.30 | Charms | i'm guessing LILO boot arguments? |
| 11:26.31 | pablo_ | I'm having a problem with my PHP4 apache 1.3 installation |
| 11:26.54 | inetd | giwe: linux single |
| 11:27.02 | pablo_ | I have a php4 page in my site, but when I visit it with my browser I am prompted for downloading it |
| 11:27.12 | pablo_ | it doesn't get executed in the server side |
| 11:27.15 | else | jep |
| 11:27.21 | else | edit the httpd.conf |
| 11:27.32 | inetd | Charms: if you got lilo , you can do linux single |
| 11:27.39 | Charms | inetd: How do I do that? |
| 11:27.40 | pablo_ | my modules.conf has the LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 11:28.02 | pablo_ | and my httpd.conf has AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 11:28.02 | pablo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:28.15 | JosephSpiros | I'm configuring exim at the moment, and I'm wondering if I should use a smarthost or not for sending email |
| 11:28.17 | pablo_ | anything else I'm missing? |
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| 11:29.04 | else | pablo_, restart the webserver |
| 11:29.14 | pablo_ | else, already did |
| 11:29.18 | giwe | Charms, what about booting from floppy? |
| 11:29.25 | ThePiratemaster | will installing from the following source give me stable sytem? http://216.92.2.148/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/3.0.23-2002-05-21/ |
| 11:29.28 | JosephSpiros | I'm wondering what benefits there are to using a smarthost |
| 11:29.29 | else | then i don't know, sorry |
| 11:29.49 | JosephSpiros | Would it help with like, when hosts are listed in AOL's (or whoever's) list of blocked hosts |
| 11:29.54 | pablo_ | else, thanks anyway |
| 11:29.55 | Charms | giwe: i can do that too.. but if i can just boot at a lower run level that would be enough |
| 11:29.56 | JosephSpiros | if you use a smarthost, it would bypass that? |
| 11:29.58 | edrx | how do I create a file like /dev/log ("ls -lF /dev/log" -> "srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Feb 5 18:18 /dev/log=") from a shell? |
| 11:30.01 | ThePiratemaster | is it even an installation source 0_o |
| 11:30.04 | Charms | just don't know how |
| 11:30.32 | JosephSpiros | I don't fully understand what use a smarthost is |
| 11:30.32 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Do you know what Stable means in this context? |
| 11:30.55 | giwe | Charms, as inetd said, you can try at lilo. If it gives you a chance to change the boot paramenter. |
| 11:31.02 | Tony[] | sepski: looks like ddrescue segfaulted |
| 11:31.10 | Tony[] | took down the server :( |
| 11:31.13 | Charms | giwe: How do I get the chance to do that? And if I do get that chance, what do i put in to start at run level 1 |
| 11:31.19 | resiak | !stable |
| 11:31.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days. The current stable version of Debian is woody (3.0r4). |
| 11:31.25 | ThePiratemaster | yes, but there was another sytem "declared" stable but it really isnt proven to be stabvle |
| 11:31.29 | giwe | Charms, linux single. |
| 11:31.30 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Are you looking for a desktop system? |
| 11:31.44 | Charms | giwe: okay, but how do i get the opportuntiy to change boot parameters? |
| 11:31.45 | ThePiratemaster | server system |
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| 11:32.37 | giwe | Charms, I switched from lilo to grub a long while. If you had configured lilo with an ask option I think you could. I don't really remember now. |
| 11:32.41 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Stable in this context mainly means old. Oh, in that case you theoretically should choose stable. Don't complain about the old versions of software though. |
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| 11:32.54 | Charms | giwe: So since i didn't configure LILO with the ask option.. i'm out of luck? |
| 11:33.11 | giwe | Charms, no, you can boot from a floppy. |
| 11:33.28 | Charms | okay, i'll insert my boot floppy then. |
| 11:33.30 | ThePiratemaster | cutting edge aint importend for a server, stability and security is |
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| 11:33.41 | swim | in distrowatch, debian sid is showing to have linux kernel 101 whats that? |
| 11:33.43 | ThePiratemaster | i'll update php and mysql to the laters ones though |
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| 11:33.59 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Absolutely. Hah, PHP and security ... I'll keep my thoughts out of this. |
| 11:34.14 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: You want the bf2.4 stuff, I think. |
| 11:34.34 | giwe | Charms, what kind of boot floppy do you have? Debian rescue? |
| 11:34.49 | Charms | giwe: The disk Debian asks you to create after you finish installation of the system |
| 11:34.55 | ThePiratemaster | yea, but lots on my users want to use -_- phpBB2 and so rhey want me to use php.... |
| 11:35.11 | giwe | Charms, I believe that one should have an option to boot as single user. |
| 11:35.33 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: I've never installed Woody (the current stable), but I'm pretty sure that's right. |
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| 11:36.41 | ThePiratemaster | sigh... phpbb |
| 11:36.51 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Yes, indeed. I feel your pain. |
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| 11:37.10 | Poeloq | I have got my german specific keys (öäü) to work, but still not alt-gr :( |
| 11:38.07 | ThePiratemaster | well, n00bish users are like loyal dogs, stupid and they do anything you say :) |
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| 11:38.53 | ThePiratemaster | i once told one to compile his kernel for ppc to let the ftp in his camera work |
| 11:38.53 | resiak | !tell ThePiratemaster about install guide |
| 11:39.12 | resiak | !tell ThePiratemaster about bf2.4 |
| 11:39.12 | edrx | ThePiratemaster: one possibility is to first install a sarge (testing) system - it's much easier - and then when you're familiar with the process you can reinstall a woody (stable) system |
| 11:39.16 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Hope those help. |
| 11:39.37 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 11:39.56 | ThePiratemaster | i want the server running by wednessday so no time 4 that |
| 11:40.04 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Bear in mind that the Sarge installer is totally different to the Woody installer, though, if you follow edrx's advice. |
| 11:40.08 | florisbarthel | Hm. I have an odd problem. I have KDM installed however when I try to login, the screen flickers and returns to the KDM login screen it was at before. |
| 11:40.25 | ThePiratemaster | but i am being paid by the hour >=) |
| 11:40.29 | edrx | ThePiratemaster: good luck |
| 11:40.34 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
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| 11:41.06 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: By the hour? Use GENTOO! ;) |
| 11:41.09 | ThePiratemaster | i'll do the woody and fix up some new packages for it |
| 11:41.14 | ThePiratemaster | hehe |
| 11:41.20 | ThePiratemaster | or linux from scratch |
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| 11:41.51 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Right on. Best of luck! |
| 11:42.02 | ThePiratemaster | tnx y'all |
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| 11:46.17 | chugga | how do i check what services are running etcc etc from kde |
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| 11:47.59 | edrx | bye |
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| 11:51.08 | Charmy | inetd: Okay, I managed to boot in single user mode finally |
| 11:51.19 | Charmy | inetd: So any tips on how I can get "X" working properly? |
| 11:51.37 | Charmy | inetd: Considering my video card.. and the settings.. again.. 'vga' and 8bit works.. it just looks ugly |
| 11:51.42 | Charmy | inetd: But 'rendition' doesn't work =( |
| 11:52.00 | Charmy | inetd: well, it does, but i can't leave the desktop environment, which suggests bugged.. |
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| 11:53.44 | Charmy | Can anyone give some help in getting X to work? |
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| 11:55.17 | Penix | bleh. I hate cheap, super-integrated socket 7 motherboards |
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| 11:56.13 | chugga | hey bastards.. where doo i change the services from |
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| 11:56.34 | paulswm | Charmy: Glad to see you made some progress :) |
| 11:56.38 | resiak | chugga: Don't insult people you're asking help from. |
| 11:56.42 | resiak | chugga: man update-rc.d |
| 11:56.47 | Charmy | paulswm: Hey Paulswm. Indeed i have. Debian is up and running |
| 11:56.55 | Charmy | paulswm: Its woody, not sarge, unfortunately |
| 11:56.56 | resiak | Charmy: How did you manage it? |
| 11:57.04 | chugga | resiak, ok, thankyou |
| 11:57.14 | Charmy | resiak: Threw out the router, used a hub instead |
| 11:57.14 | resiak | Charmy: Are you planning to upgrade it to Sarge? |
| 11:57.20 | Charmy | resiak: Maybe later, yeah. |
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| 11:57.33 | simonrvn | @lart chugga |
| 11:57.36 | Charmy | resiak: Seems like a hub was more agreeable to Debian. |
| 11:57.55 | resiak | Charmy: I'm just thinking that, since you're having problems with X... Is your graphics card younger than Woody? |
| 11:57.57 | chugga | resiak, i need a gui tool |
| 11:57.58 | Charmy | resiak: The confusing thing is, that it didn't look the router even when it was acting as a hub. |
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| 11:58.14 | Charmy | resiak: No. this graphics card is OLD. This is a rendition verite 2100 Diamond Stealth II from 1996. |
| 11:58.20 | resiak | chugga: Poor you! Can't use a terminal? |
| 11:58.23 | resiak | !tell chugga about search |
| 11:58.38 | resiak | Charmy: Oh. Hah, I have one of those lying around! |
| 11:58.39 | simonrvn | !be a terminal barbie |
| 11:58.40 | dpkg | awwww, terminal is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
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| 11:58.46 | chugga | resiak, nah i can but i'll forget in a year or two.. i dont setup boxes every day |
| 11:58.51 | Charmy | resiak: Yeah, I tried using the Rendition xfree86 4.x video driver |
| 11:58.59 | Charmy | resiak: And it DOES work.. I get a desktop! But I can't leave the desktop |
| 11:59.11 | Charmy | resiak: I can't change vritual consoles.. the mouse cursor goes away, but the desktop stays |
| 11:59.22 | Charmy | resiak: if I try ctrl-alt-backspace, i leave the X program, but I still have the desktop there |
| 11:59.31 | resiak | !tell Charmy about enter |
| 11:59.36 | resiak | Charmy: How odd. |
| 11:59.44 | Charmy | resiak: I know that the prompt is functioning underneath.. like shutdown -r works.. but i can't see underneath the desktop after its frozen to the screen |
| 11:59.46 | resiak | Charmy: So you can't get out of X once you're in? |
| 12:00.03 | resiak | Charmy: Oh. |
| 12:00.16 | Charmy | resiak: Sorry about the enter key. Force of habit i guess. |
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| 12:00.36 | chugga | resiak, isnt there an official debian tool for this..... |
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| 12:00.47 | resiak | Charmy: Well... I presume that you've Googled for information on your card and X? No worries about enter -- it just makes reading easier. |
| 12:00.51 | paulswm | Not sure what framebuffer Charmy is using , but maybe switching to the vesa fb would help |
| 12:01.00 | Albacker | hey takatumi, I entered debian . . . |
| 12:01.02 | Charmy | paulswm: Not sure how to do that... |
| 12:01.03 | resiak | chugga: Uh, there's rarely an "official Debian tool" for anything. |
| 12:01.06 | resiak | !drxx |
| 12:01.07 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
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| 12:01.12 | Albacker | well still usign windows : atm ! |
| 12:01.20 | kuru | well, I've been asking in exim but they seem to be all asleep, so here goes. Would someone point me to some documentation to explain what verify sender callout is in exim? |
| 12:01.23 | Charmy | resiak: I googled this, yes. There are two camps on this. Most people say the rendition 4.x driver should be just fine. others say something called xfree86_SVGA.. don't know about that |
| 12:01.38 | kuru | I have: require verify = sender/callout |
| 12:01.40 | Charmy | resiak paulswm: Also, as a side note, the xserver works just fine if i use the vga driver, with 8 bit color depth. it just looks ugly |
| 12:01.49 | kuru | and I get this in my logs: 2005-02-06 06:38:38 H=(gateway1.x.x.com) [212.107.101.4] |
| 12:01.52 | kuru | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.55 | kuru | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.34 | Zcrump | my system is freezing for a 10-15 seconds if my xmms is playing and I am doing anything resource consuming like apt-geting or torturing some kind of gtk program |
| 12:02.42 | si|vercat | anyone here done some tweaking in enemy territory? I get some really low fps in intensive areas.. |
| 12:02.47 | Zcrump | could the problem be in kernel? |
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| 12:03.00 | paulswm | Charmy: hang on a sec, just getting to my old box where I had to use the vesa fb becuase of video card issues |
| 12:03.08 | Charmy | paulswm: Thanks Paulswm. |
| 12:03.30 | chugga | resiak, comeon man recommend sommething. doing a search on "services" isnt gonna get me anywhere |
| 12:03.56 | resiak | chugga: I just use update-rc.d, so I can't recommend anything. It's really not hard to use. |
| 12:04.22 | resiak | chugga: I think that Gnome has a tool to do this somewhere, though. |
| 12:04.29 | chugga | resiak, i wanna see a list of things that can be run - checkboxes for what i wanna enable disable. surely someone must have done this before? |
| 12:04.40 | simonrvn | chugga: the time you wasted bugging resiak could've been better spent learning update-rc.d |
| 12:05.00 | resiak | chugga: Yeah, they have, which is why I said search for it. I'm pretty sure that there's a tool in Gnome, like I just said. |
| 12:05.29 | chugga | simonrvn, how is that the point?doing stupid trivial stuff by hand doesnt make you hardcore or elite - it just means you edited a file |
| 12:05.37 | chugga | resiak, ok. i use kde |
| 12:05.42 | resiak | chugga: It's not hardcore or elite, but it works without X! |
| 12:06.08 | resiak | chugga: Wow, I use XFce. Search for something, or use update-rc.d |
| 12:06.16 | simonrvn | /ig -replies chugga |
| 12:06.19 | chugga | *sigh* im running kde because i got sick of configuring everything by hand .. thats noot good enough for me :) (and hey i used to hate kde) |
| 12:06.21 | resiak | chugga: Hell, there's almost certainly something in the KDE menus. |
| 12:06.23 | paulswm | Charmy: I forgot, I'm not running X on that box, sorry. |
| 12:06.37 | Charmy | paulswm: oh... |
| 12:06.40 | johnnyST | Hi where are the names for debian versions taken from? "sid, sarge, woody, etc..." |
| 12:06.47 | resiak | johnnyST: Toy Story. |
| 12:06.51 | johnnyST | ok :) |
| 12:06.56 | Charmy | resiak: Any suggestinos on what i can do to get X working? |
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| 12:07.36 | paulswm | Charmy: Someone here should know, in the meantime lemme google a bit |
| 12:07.41 | resiak | Charmy: Google for stuff about vesafb? |
| 12:07.48 | valdyn | !setup x |
| 12:08.22 | resiak | dpkg: test |
| 12:08.22 | dpkg | No, resiak, you're not online any more. |
| 12:08.33 | valdyn | !setup x |
| 12:08.44 | valdyn | !punish dpkg |
| 12:08.48 | resiak | valdyn: ITYM... |
| 12:08.52 | resiak | !+set up x |
| 12:08.52 | dpkg | it has been said that set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 12:09.00 | chugga | resiak, not that anyone cares but i dont have the time/inclination to manually maintain a distro over several years - its pointlelss that i can do it in the terminal now and get the effect that i need. i want to know that if 2 years from now i wanna say add another service i'll click a few things and have it done.. instead oft rying to figure what file to edit, and how to edit it, and how its setup (in this distro) et |
| 12:09.03 | resiak | But that really doesn't help the situation with Charmy. |
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| 12:09.41 | Albacker | guys when I boot in debian, there doesnt appear a GUI prompt that asks for username, password, and the WM or DM to use. there appears a terminal or something like that and I have to type startx to enter KDE. What if I want to use Xfce or fluxbox ? can I put the GUI prompt again ? [well it never appeared] :S\ |
| 12:09.54 | resiak | Albacker: apt-get install gdm |
| 12:10.00 | resiak | !faq Albacker |
| 12:10.00 | dpkg | Albacker: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 12:10.26 | Albacker | thanks resiak |
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| 12:10.59 | paulswm | resiak: I was just wondering if Charmy is having probs that the vesa driver may be worth trying is all, but I'm out of my depth here, been a long time since I configured X on woody |
| 12:11.06 | resiak | chugga: For fuck's sake, man, apt-cache search runlevel. |
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| 12:11.36 | OleMoudi | what was the utility to edit "applications" panel menu in gnome ? |
| 12:11.47 | resiak | chugga: Just use the Gnome one. We're not in Gnome-apps-don't-run-on-KDE-land any more. |
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| 12:12.07 | chugga | resiak, ok |
| 12:12.28 | valdyn | can actually be both, some thinkpad wont properly switch consoles unless you use a framebuffer ( vesafb ) |
| 12:12.40 | Charmy | resiak: okay, i tried turning off the frame buffer in reconfigure.. didn't help unfortunately |
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| 12:13.06 | resiak | Charmy: I'm afraid that I'm just as out of my depth as paulswm, in fact more so, since I've never used Woody |
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| 12:13.21 | chugga | wicked, a 7mb download for what a 100k script would suffice. *sigh* |
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| 12:13.28 | valdyn | Charmy: does your console itself use a framebuffer? |
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| 12:13.39 | Charmy | resiak: Hrm.. =/ Know of anyone who might be able to help? i guess i could just live with 'vga' for now |
| 12:13.52 | Charmy | valdyn: i'm not sure valdyn. What does that mean? |
| 12:14.32 | valdyn | Charmy: "lsmod | grep fb" |
| 12:14.44 | resiak | chugga: Did you do apt-cache search runlevel ? |
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| 12:15.14 | valdyn | Charmy: not sure how to figure how a framebuffer is running in console, but you may want to have tried both, having one run and having none run |
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| 12:15.17 | resiak | chugga: It's not X, but rcconf might be what you want. |
| 12:15.42 | valdyn | Charmy: maybe /proc/fb, dunno |
| 12:16.00 | spongebob | charmy: add vga=788 on lilo |
| 12:16.12 | Charmy | spongebob: what does that do? |
| 12:16.13 | resiak | spongebob: Uh, no. |
| 12:16.31 | spongebob | charmy: your console will be switch to framebuffer mode |
| 12:16.34 | resiak | spongebob: Charmy isn't trying to get an fb console. |
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| 12:16.44 | spongebob | oic, sorry |
| 12:16.45 | valdyn | Charmy: try this: "dmesg | grep fb" |
| 12:16.45 | Charmy | btw lsmod | grep fb doesn't return anything |
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| 12:17.14 | paulswm | Charmy: lsmod will tell you what modules are running in console, if there is vesafb there you're running a vesa framebuffer in concole |
| 12:17.20 | resiak | spongebob: If you know how to get X running on a Diamond Stealth II, though, feel free to jump in :) |
| 12:17.35 | resiak | chugga: rcconf is _exactly_ what you want. |
| 12:17.40 | Charmy | valdyn: i get this. vga16fb: initalizing |
| 12:17.40 | valdyn | paulswm: yep |
| 12:17.54 | Charmy | valdyn: vga16fb: mapped to 0xc000... ; fb0: vga16 vga frame buffer device |
| 12:18.00 | chugga | resiak, this is much better! thankyou :) |
| 12:18.09 | Charmy | paulswm: there is no fb anything in lsmod |
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| 12:18.13 | resiak | chugga: No problem. See what a wonder apt-cache search is? |
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| 12:18.22 | valdyn | Charmy: try rmmod vga16fb |
| 12:18.41 | chugga | resiak, yes, i do |
| 12:19.10 | Charmy | valdyn: okay, done. |
| 12:19.26 | Charmy | valdyn: it explains its not loaded |
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| 12:19.39 | Albacker | guys when i enter debian a message shows that /tmp/mcop-eni isnt owned by user [sound error, or something like this] what should I do? Does that mean that I cant hear any souund ? |
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| 12:20.01 | resiak | chugga: Your next task is to bug the KDE people into adding a runlevel configurator. |
| 12:20.34 | valdyn | Charmy: your X is configured not to use a framebuffer I assume, try it |
| 12:20.35 | resiak | chugga: But actually, thinking about it... I'm sure that KDE had one the last time I used it, which was about two years ago. |
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| 12:21.00 | Charmy | valdyn: I tried X.. unfortunately it has the problem i mentioned.. the desktop stays frozen to the screen unless i use vga drivers. |
| 12:21.37 | Charmy | valdyn: It might helpt o know that even though I have a PCI rendition card on the machine, there _IS_ a built in ATI chip i'm not using. |
| 12:21.44 | Charmy | valdyn: Could it be confusing the machine? |
| 12:21.52 | valdyn | Charmy: did you try it w/o a framebuffer loaded? |
| 12:21.53 | resiak | Charmy: Have you disabled it in the BIOS? |
| 12:22.05 | Charmy | resiak: This BIOS is total garbage resiak.. i can't do anything in it, i'm afraid =( |
| 12:22.20 | Charmy | valdyn: I tried it without the frame buffer set in configuration, yes. |
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| 12:22.32 | valdyn | Charmy: nono, without vga16fb loaded |
| 12:22.48 | Charmy | valdyn: but when i tried the rmmod it said it wasn't loaded.. |
| 12:22.56 | Charmy | valdyn: so if its not loaded in the first place.. |
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| 12:23.17 | valdyn | Charmy: ok - thats all i wanted to figure i suppose, that you try X w/ and w/o console FB |
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| 12:23.26 | paulswm | valdyn: no 'fb' thing showed up in Charmy's lsmod |
| 12:23.33 | melllwa | #bigtorrents |
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| 12:23.34 | Charmy | valdyn: Yes, thats right. |
| 12:23.55 | Poeloq | Can anybody tell me why my "Alt-Gr" key doesnt work? |
| 12:24.11 | valdyn | yea, dmesg | grep fb confused me obviously |
| 12:24.17 | resiak | melllwa: Piss off. |
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| 12:24.32 | tzafrir | I'm writing a script to change the host name. I was wondering about the entry in /etc/hosts. Should it be modified? added? |
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| 12:24.42 | valdyn | i guess you have chewn plenty on why not to use the built in ati driver? |
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| 12:24.47 | DiamondDog | did any1 installed tsearch2 module on postgresql v 7.4 ? |
| 12:24.53 | valdyn | i guess you have chewn plenty on why not to use the built in ati chip? |
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| 12:25.10 | tzafrir | Is there a "proper" way to change the hostname? |
| 12:25.21 | valdyn | tzafrir: yes |
| 12:25.44 | clown | lo, what is the proper way to ask apt what packages will be upgraded after an update? I need to parse those package-names. |
| 12:25.48 | Charmy | valdyn: Because the rendition chip is much much better. it has 4mb RAM and a good 3d accellerator. |
| 12:25.52 | Charmy | valdyn: The ati chip has nothin =/ |
| 12:25.54 | chugga | resiak, im already there, hehe. i looked through the kde menu (system, utils, configurator didnt come across anything) |
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| 12:26.15 | resiak | chugga: Oh, fair enough. My bad. |
| 12:26.26 | resiak | chugga: apt-get dist-upgrade, say no? |
| 12:26.31 | resiak | Uh, sorry chugga . |
| 12:26.36 | resiak | clown: apt-get dist-upgrade, say no? |
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| 12:26.48 | resiak | clown: There's probably a more "correct" way. man apt? |
| 12:26.50 | tzafrir | valdyn, and the proper way to change a hostname is? |
| 12:26.59 | clown | resiak, that is difficult to automate and difficult to parse. |
| 12:27.10 | resiak | clown: Oh, true. |
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| 12:27.24 | paulswm | clown: apt-get -s dist-upgrade will simulate the ugrade but not do it, so you'll get the package names |
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| 12:27.34 | valdyn | tzafrir: what do you want to change, the hostname or the dnsdomainname? |
| 12:27.36 | tzafrir | apt-get upgrade -y --recon -d ? |
| 12:28.03 | valdyn | tzafrir: i assume the 2nd.. vi /etc/hosts |
| 12:28.08 | clown | paulswm, true, I looked into that, but it still is difficult to parse... :-( |
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| 12:28.23 | tzafrir | hostname. It shows in the promp and all |
| 12:28.28 | OvrLrd-Q | anybody having any problems with dpkg recently? for some reason I just installed some package and there was some error in /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure |
| 12:29.07 | OvrLrd-Q | running unstable |
| 12:29.07 | zakame | hello |
| 12:29.07 | resiak | OvrLrd-Q: You're on Sid. Check the BTS. |
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| 12:29.12 | Charmy | resiak: I guess I Should use vga 8 bit color 320x480? =/ |
| 12:29.25 | resiak | Charmy: :| I really don't know, I'm afraid. |
| 12:30.21 | valdyn | tzafrir: ok, adjust both, vi /etc/hostname and vi /etc/hosts |
| 12:30.27 | chugga | resiak, what do i run now to for my service changes to take effect - do i need reboot? |
| 12:30.37 | OvrLrd-Q | resiak: I did but I didn't see anything (not to mention the dpkg bug page is a touch cluttered) |
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| 12:30.50 | Gathond | chugga: restart whatever service you are talking about |
| 12:30.57 | tzafrir | hosts is more complicated to automatically edit. oh, well. |
| 12:30.59 | valdyn | tzafrir: and just so it fits adjust /etc/mailname |
| 12:31.09 | resiak | chugga: Uh, you could just stop and start the appropriate services with /etc/init.d/servicename |
| 12:31.16 | resiak | OvrLrd-Q: Well... Yo |
| 12:31.17 | Gathond | chugga: everything short of a kernel change (perhaps glibc as well) does not require a reboot |
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| 12:31.27 | resiak | OvrLrd-Q: You're on Sid, file a bug if you can reproduce the problem. |
| 12:31.38 | chugga | hmm nah i just turned a bunch of them of |
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| 12:31.46 | squarris | i am quite new to debian - i have recently installed woody and all is ok but i needed mozilla 1.4+ so i used apt to install this from testing - so i was thinking i should go to testing completely but there are no security updates - should i go to testing anyway? |
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| 12:32.01 | resiak | clown: I got it. |
| 12:32.06 | OvrLrd-Q | resiak: well that's a problem I have nada clue how it happened |
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| 12:32.32 | Charmy | resiak: okay, this is odd. I just tried the vesa drivers for X instead. The display looks fine. I get a whole bunch of mod probing errors from X, but the desktop shows up good, and i can actually close it |
| 12:32.32 | resiak | clown: echo no | apt-get dist-upgrade, capture the output, parse it. |
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| 12:32.41 | Charmy | resiak: guess i should stick with vesa then? |
| 12:32.52 | resiak | OvrLrd-Q: With Sid, you get to pick up the pieces. |
| 12:33.00 | resiak | Charmy: I thought that you tried it before and it didn't work? |
| 12:33.08 | valdyn | squarris: dont mix debina releases, new software for woody is on backports.org |
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| 12:33.11 | tzafrir | how nice. The default install sets the hostname at the line of 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:33.23 | OvrLrd-Q | resiak: ok strange . . . it seems to have fixed itself :( |
| 12:33.27 | resiak | OvrLrd-Q: nice. |
| 12:33.28 | Charmy | resiak: nope, I didn't try vesa drivers before. |
| 12:33.28 | FlopsyPete | if I'm compiling a Debian kernel, how do I get the default Debian .config so that I'm getting a sane set of defaults, rather than choosing everything myself? |
| 12:33.35 | resiak | Charmy: Why not? I asked several times! |
| 12:33.36 | mejo | the last days, mozilla and firefox crash very often. for example www.kinopolis.de, www.communitycolo.net and www.alternate.de crash both browsers everytime. |
| 12:33.37 | OvrLrd-Q | resiak: kinda freaky but sure I'll go with it |
| 12:33.42 | resiak | FlopsyPete: /boot/config-2.* |
| 12:33.55 | FlopsyPete | resiak: thanks |
| 12:33.57 | mejo | i believe that this has to do with some java stuff, but i'm not quite sure. |
| 12:34.10 | Charmy | resiak: I didn't see that resiak. *bows* sorry. i thought you were talking about FB. |
| 12:34.14 | resiak | clown: It's not hard to parse... |
| 12:34.24 | Charmy | resiak: In any case, are the modprobing errors a concern? |
| 12:34.24 | resiak | Charmy: No problem. Glad that it's working! |
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| 12:34.32 | resiak | Charmy: If things work, non |
| 12:34.35 | Charmy | resiak: okay.. |
| 12:34.42 | squarris | valdyn - thanks - i'll check it out. btw if security updates were available for testing then i would just run testing. |
| 12:35.22 | mejo | after purging gcjwebplugin, at least most pages don't crash any more. |
| 12:35.26 | valdyn | Charmy: does that fit your card and problem? "Switching from display to VC and back to display can lock up V2x00 cards." |
| 12:36.19 | valdyn | Charmy: http://www.xfree86.org/4.4.0/rendition9.html#9 |
| 12:36.20 | Charmy | valdyn: Well, similar valdyn. Swithing from display to VC doesn't work at all |
| 12:36.43 | Charmy | valdyn: the card doesn't lock up. the desktop simply gets frozen to the screen permenantly |
| 12:36.46 | dawg | squarris, the reasoning is that since testing is updated it doesn't need 'security updates' since newer versions will have fixed old bugs |
| 12:36.49 | Charmy | resiak: whats a good windows manager? Ice wm? |
| 12:37.02 | mejo | and libflash-mozplug seems to cause the rest of pages to crash. |
| 12:37.07 | valdyn | Charmy: yes like the first issue you see when you follow that link, i suppose |
| 12:37.16 | mejo | without libflash and gcjwebplugin, mozilla doesn't crash at all. |
| 12:37.23 | dawg | squarris, so it does get them, it's just that stable *only* gets security updates and no others |
| 12:37.33 | squarris | i was wondering if that was why - its 6 weeks or something for a new version isn't it? |
| 12:37.46 | Charmy | valdyn: yeah... this says something about hanging xserver.. it doesn't hang.. it just annoyingly freezes teh desktop forever onto the screen =( |
| 12:37.54 | Charmy | valdyn: the problem is similar enough though |
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| 12:38.22 | FlopsyPete | when thinkpad-source instructions say make sure APM driver is to be uilt with the kernel, does this mean I choose 'Y', or 'M' for module? |
| 12:38.35 | Charmy | valdyn: Would you say icewm is a decent windows manager? |
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| 12:38.58 | dawg | squarris, i don't believe there's any timeframe, just whenever a programs packaging is considered stable enough to get put into it |
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| 12:39.37 | TheArtist | does anyone here play mohaa on linux using the beta 3 client? |
| 12:40.21 | squarris | dawg, cool - so would you recommend just running testing then? its a desktop system but i am after good security. thanks |
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| 12:41.15 | valdyn | squarris: your desktop is directly on the net? |
| 12:41.37 | squarris | through a home router/adsl modem |
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| 12:42.37 | BlSabbath | hi |
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| 12:43.17 | valdyn | squarris: dont see much of a security issue at all then. |
| 12:43.22 | BlSabbath | i need help on installing usb mouse..im a newbie |
| 12:43.23 | dawg | squarris, well i use unstable and couldn't even imagine using something as old as woody as my desktop :/ |
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| 12:44.30 | BlSabbath | anyone can help me? |
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| 12:44.39 | dawg | squarris, testing is pretty sturdy from my experience, the names stable, testing and unstable refer more to the program packaging than they do to the programs themselves |
| 12:44.46 | zakame | so are we all :D |
| 12:45.15 | diepes | blsa: What is the problem ? |
| 12:45.39 | BlSabbath | i'm not able to config my new usb optical mouse.. |
| 12:46.01 | valdyn | !tell BlSabbath about ask |
| 12:46.09 | paulswm | Charmy: I used Gnome and icewm on woody, I was OK with that, but it's really such a matter of personal preference. The nice thing about debian is that it's not that difficult to install/remove things to try them out. |
| 12:46.19 | valdyn | !vagueness |
| 12:46.19 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
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| 12:46.35 | Charmy | paulswm: Alright Paulswm. fair enough =) Btw, how do I run 'startx'? My current path can't find it.. |
| 12:46.36 | paulswm | Charmy: Oh, and I just saw. Glad the vesa driver is working out better |
| 12:46.40 | squarris | valdyn dawg, thanks i'll try testing for a bit - i was surprised when i installed woody and found that gmail wouldn't accept my mozilla version! I am a bit paranoid about keyloggers and my relatively poor linux knowledge puts me at a bit of a disadvantage. thanks for your advice... |
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| 12:46.46 | Charmy | paulswm: Its still kinda buggy. but yeah, it works somehwat. |
| 12:47.17 | paulswm | Charmy: re. startx, out of my depth again, the install set it up for me |
| 12:47.41 | xogon | how big should i make / on a disk (which has /usr /var on other partitions)? |
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| 12:48.00 | valdyn | BlSabbath: WHERE does your mouse not work? What's in the logs about it? |
| 12:48.01 | Charmy | paulswm: i'll try a find.. |
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| 12:48.27 | Smurg | How do I chek what version of xfree-86 I have? |
| 12:48.43 | drac | X -version |
| 12:48.49 | valdyn | Smurg: X -version |
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| 12:48.54 | Smurg | Thanks |
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| 12:49.29 | xogon | would 2 GB be enough to include / without /usr or /var (but including /tmp and anything else)? |
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| 12:49.39 | paulswm | Charmy: in sarge startx is /usr/bin/X11/startx and you should have /usr/bin/X11 in your path, not sure if locations are different on woody |
| 12:49.49 | xogon | sorry, that's also not including /home |
| 12:49.52 | paulswm | !startx |
| 12:49.52 | dpkg | hmm... startx is a script that starts the X Window System , configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. see starting gnome, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. |
| 12:50.20 | dawg | squarris, just don't run any services you don't need and you won't have to worry so much. Software in the unstable branch is what you'd find in the latest red hat etc release and such so unstable isn't so.. unstable |
| 12:50.42 | Charmy | paulswm: got it. thanks =) tjhe problem was that i was still in runlevel 1.. it refused to run in that mode =p |
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| 12:51.09 | paulswm | !beat Charmy for trying to start X in single user mode |
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| 12:51.17 | Maxzorin123 | I need clarification about Debian, is Debian going to be Linux mainly, or are these expansions into BSD and Hurd the future? |
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| 12:51.50 | paulswm | Charmy: it probably should start up by itself when you switch runlevels, I'm sure the install sets it up that way |
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| 12:52.06 | mosty | maxzorin: they're minor/side projects |
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| 12:52.37 | Charmy | paulswm: guess the path was more limited in that runlevel then maybe.. |
| 12:53.41 | peppo | eh, suddenly dcgui-qt (a KDE/Qt application) has lost all icons and uses an odd font. this is after a debian unstable upgrade. what gives? nothing on b.t.s. |
| 12:53.43 | paulswm | Charmy: yes, you're right |
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| 12:54.09 | Charmy | paulswm: I have a soundblaster 16 installed in this machine. anyway to quickly test to see if thats working? |
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| 12:54.16 | Charmy | paulswm: its a legacy ISA card |
| 12:54.17 | mosty | peppo, maybe you could submit a new bug |
| 12:54.19 | Smurg | How do I restart X server? |
| 12:54.29 | paulswm | Charmy: no shit |
| 12:54.31 | Maxzorin123 | thanks |
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| 12:54.35 | trueno | Hi! How can I check the development status (rw) of NTFS under Linux? |
| 12:54.44 | Charmy | paulswm: heh.. |
| 12:55.02 | Smurg | How do I restart X server without reboot? |
| 12:55.02 | Penix | trueno: ask #ntfs perhaps |
| 12:55.10 | caphuso | trueno: linux-ntfs.sf.net |
| 12:55.42 | TheArtist | when scrolling through desktops my mouse wheel makes it jump two at a time, how can i change it to one? |
| 12:55.51 | TheArtist | in fluxbox |
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| 12:56.15 | paulswm | Charmy: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO/index.html |
| 12:56.25 | Charmy | paulswm: Thanks paulswm. |
| 12:56.34 | BigBlue | What types of icmp should i accept? |
| 12:57.07 | trueno | caphuso: Penix: Thanks :-) |
| 12:57.29 | peppo | mosty, maybe I should downgrade libxml2 |
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| 12:58.04 | caphuso | BigBlue: all |
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| 12:58.29 | samlander | good morning |
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| 12:59.26 | zakame | hello samlander |
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| 13:01.23 | barra | Hello there. I'm in trouble booting my Debian. Its booting and then it stops booting with the following lines: /etc/init.d/rcS: /etc/nologin: Read-only file system cp cannot stat '/etc/nologin': No such file or directory. There are much more of this read-only filesystem errors... What could I do ? |
| 13:01.48 | samlander | are you booting off cd? |
| 13:01.53 | barra | no |
| 13:02.28 | barra | I was in trouble with my lilo but I set now the line read-write but this error comes up. :( |
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| 13:03.13 | mosty | barra, boot with a rescue cd and fsck your drives |
| 13:03.18 | kvossen | I've just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.10 and now I get a list of error messages in the style of 'error removing <module>: device or resource busy' while booting. What gives? |
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| 13:04.06 | barra | mosty: ok I gonna do so thanks |
| 13:04.33 | roel- | omg. a blink tag. |
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| 13:06.58 | si|vercat | roel-, as in <blink> ? :P |
| 13:07.26 | roel- | url in the topic :D |
| 13:07.39 | roel- | a html-no-no if I ever saw one |
| 13:07.46 | resiak | Charmy: Window managers and desktop environments are a matter of opinion. I use XFce; you may like it, or may not. |
| 13:08.10 | Charmy | resiak: I understand. Trying to get the soundblaster card configured right now. unfortunately it looks like my kernel has no drivers for it.. |
| 13:08.21 | Charmy | resiak: I'm gussing maybe i should be uprgrading my kernel from 2.20 to 2.40.. |
| 13:09.08 | diepes | Charmy: 2.20 -> 2.4.27 |
| 13:09.14 | Charmy | diepes: Yeah. |
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| 13:09.23 | resiak | Charmy: I'm afraid that I have to go out for a while, but I'm sure other people here will help you out :) |
| 13:09.32 | Charmy | resiak: Alright, thanks resiak |
| 13:09.48 | Charmy | so can anyone give me some advice on how i go about upgrading my kernel so that i have sound-blaster 16 drivers? =) |
| 13:10.12 | findme | Charmy, did you try to look at alsa |
| 13:10.14 | samlander | charmy what sound server are you using? |
| 13:10.23 | Charmy | findme: Whats alsa..? |
| 13:10.32 | Charmy | samlander: No clue =/ |
| 13:10.39 | xogon | Charmy: install isapnptools and run isapnpdump for starters |
| 13:10.46 | findme | Charmy, http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=emu10k1 |
| 13:10.56 | findme | Charmy, you need emu10k1 |
| 13:11.13 | Charmy | xoogn: i ran pnpdump, and then piped that into isapnp.conf, then ran isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf after erasing comments from some lines, but ot be honest, i'm not surew hat i'm doing |
| 13:11.20 | samlander | any idea why i cant see my scsi disks ? /dev/sda.. sdb... sdc.. sdd etc? |
| 13:12.23 | xogon | Charmy: tldp.org might have some good HOWTO's on the setup |
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| 13:12.35 | diepes | samlander: and now /dev/discs |
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| 13:14.03 | Charmy | xogon: Hmm, guess installing this sound card isn't going to be simple.. hrm.. |
| 13:14.20 | abrotman | discover installed? |
| 13:14.34 | BlSabbath | need help on config usb optical mouse... |
| 13:14.43 | xogon | Charmy: its been a while since i did an ISA card but it shouldn't be too hard. did you modprobe the emu module? |
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| 13:14.53 | abrotman | BlSabbath: 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 13:14.56 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 13:14.56 | dpkg | it has been said that usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 13:14.59 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 13:15.00 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 13:15.04 | Charmy | xogon: the emu module? |
| 13:15.24 | abrotman | eww ... isa sound .. forget it .. buy a casio |
| 13:15.25 | xogon | Charmy: what findme said |
| 13:15.43 | abrotman | BlSabbath: don't ever /msg anyone without permission |
| 13:15.49 | abrotman | BlSabbath: i can talk to you right here |
| 13:15.56 | Charmy | xogon: so i should download this emu10k1? |
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| 13:15.59 | BlSabbath | ok |
| 13:16.01 | abrotman | !tell BlSabbath about usb mouse |
| 13:16.04 | abrotman | !tell BlSabbath about usbmouse |
| 13:16.13 | abrotman | BlSabbath: start with those .. see if they help |
| 13:16.14 | GueVolt | Where the app gkdial get the information like the number of bytes transfered? |
| 13:16.17 | paulswm | Charmy: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 before messing with sound, I suggest, if that kernel is in woody |
| 13:16.28 | abrotman | it is |
| 13:16.31 | abrotman | err .. no it's not |
| 13:16.37 | Charmy | paulswm: It is in woody. okay, i'll type that |
| 13:16.38 | abrotman | 2.4.18-2-blah |
| 13:16.40 | xogon | Charmy: look under /lib/modules/<kver>/kernel/drivers/sound |
| 13:16.50 | abrotman | there is no 2.4.27 in wody |
| 13:16.53 | niclas5 | i have two similar PIII-boxes here, and one of them does not receive the acpi-pwrbttn-event somehow. (yes, it is compiled into the kernel.) when i set "acpi=force" on boot, i get /proc/acpi/event, but no button event from there. i can also not poweroff properly, the acpi-power-off-function fails. if i do not use "acpi=force" i can shutdown, but the powerrbutton-event is of course lost and will put |
| 13:16.53 | niclas5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.57 | Charmy | xogon: unfortunately, there is no kernel/drivers/sound directory.. |
| 13:17.03 | abrotman | Charmy: is it isapnp ? |
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| 13:17.14 | Charmy | abrotman: its a soundblaster 16 isa.. thats all i know.. |
| 13:17.39 | paulswm | Charmy: sound is closely associated with the kernel, get the 2.4 kernel, no point in messing with it before doing a kernel upgrade |
| 13:17.43 | abrotman | Charmy: you should first try to see if it is ISAPnP or jumpered |
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| 13:17.58 | Charmy | abrotman: i know there are no jumpres |
| 13:17.58 | BlSabbath | abrotman, i cannot understand not much of these helps...i need a parson to talk with |
| 13:18.02 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 13:18.02 | dpkg | [isapnp] a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump |
| 13:18.28 | abrotman | BlSabbath: those are pretty straightforward .. have you tried what they say? |
| 13:18.46 | BlSabbath | i've installed hotplug..but i cannot do nothing |
| 13:19.07 | Charmy | could not find package paulswm |
| 13:19.12 | abrotman | BlSabbath: try usbmgr |
| 13:19.15 | BlSabbath | my mouse is recognized by the os, the red light is on but the pointer stay stopped |
| 13:19.27 | abrotman | !tell Charmy about real kernel |
| 13:19.44 | abrotman | BlSabbath: oh .. that's different |
| 13:19.57 | abrotman | BlSabbath: it sounds like you have X using the wrong device |
| 13:20.00 | BlSabbath | yes..that's why i had to chat :D |
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| 13:20.04 | abrotman | !drxx BlSabbath |
| 13:20.06 | dpkg | BlSabbath: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 13:20.16 | abrotman | BlSabbath: well .. when you become less vague .. you get better help :) |
| 13:20.21 | paulswm | Charmy: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 13:20.38 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.18-2-386 woody |
| 13:20.40 | BlSabbath | ahahah ok :D |
| 13:20.50 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 woody |
| 13:20.58 | Charmy | paulswm: whe i typed that i got spammed by alot of sutff.. what do i do with it? |
| 13:21.02 | abrotman | oh .. i give up |
| 13:21.08 | website | how can i tello to grep to print lines contains both "foo" and bar" or "foo" and not "bar"? |
| 13:21.35 | abrotman | webmind: but not ones that have just bar ? |
| 13:21.35 | xogon | Charmy: apt-cache search ..... | less is a good idea |
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| 13:21.46 | abrotman | or just foo |
| 13:22.14 | Charmy | xogon: there are so many to choose form. which do i choose..? |
| 13:22.14 | website | abrotman, yes both the modes |
| 13:22.15 | samlander | aha |
| 13:22.21 | samlander | my adaptec mod was missing |
| 13:22.22 | paulswm | Charmy: what abrotman said |
| 13:22.34 | paulswm | Charmy: no wait |
| 13:22.35 | website | only foo, only bar, bar and foo; bar and not foo |
| 13:22.53 | BlSabbath | dpkg |
| 13:22.55 | website | grep foo is for only foo; grep bar is for only bar |
| 13:23.00 | BlSabbath | what i've to do? |
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| 13:23.06 | Tony[] | foo and bar? |
| 13:23.13 | Charmy | paulswm: should i be using 586tsc since i use a pentium 200 processor..? or..? |
| 13:23.15 | website | yes Tony[] |
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| 13:23.23 | xogon | Charmy: normally kernels are named according to version number and processor type |
| 13:23.24 | paulswm | Charmy: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4|grep 386 |
| 13:23.43 | paulswm | Charmy: nopey |
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| 13:23.49 | abrotman | is dpkg broken? |
| 13:23.57 | xogon | Charmy: kernels, unlike most other packages, are CPU-specific |
| 13:23.58 | Penix | what do you think the recommended/minimum disk space requirements should be? |
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| 13:24.02 | Penix | bah. wrong channel |
| 13:24.03 | paulswm | Charmy: your CPU is a 386 |
| 13:24.09 | abrotman | !drxx BlSabbath |
| 13:24.10 | dpkg | BlSabbath: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 13:24.12 | paulswm | !test |
| 13:24.12 | dpkg | Yes, paulswm, you're still online. |
| 13:24.13 | Charmy | paulswm: a pentium is a 386..? |
| 13:24.21 | paulswm | Charmy: yes |
| 13:24.26 | BlSabbath | is dpkg a bot? |
| 13:24.30 | Charmy | paulswm: okay, i will use the 2.4.18 for the 386 then |
| 13:24.34 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 woody |
| 13:24.38 | paulswm | Charmy: :) |
| 13:24.46 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 |
| 13:24.51 | abrotman | wtf is going on |
| 13:24.54 | BlSabbath | abrotman |
| 13:24.59 | paulswm | !kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 |
| 13:25.04 | Charmy | paulswm: okay, grabbing. |
| 13:25.08 | BlSabbath | have the solution? |
| 13:25.22 | barra | mosty: ok I gonna do so thanks YES ? |
| 13:25.28 | abrotman | BlSabbath: dpkg just todl you .. you have to reconfigure X .. and tell it to use the place your usb mouse is pointing |
| 13:25.36 | paulswm | Charmy: You will have to reboot once you're installed the kernel of course |
| 13:25.46 | Charmy | paulswm: Of course.. i was told to expect that. |
| 13:25.49 | abrotman | paulswm: is he using lilo? |
| 13:25.55 | Charmy | abrotman: yes. |
| 13:25.59 | BlSabbath | have i to choose xfree86? |
| 13:26.08 | barra | how could I tell fsck to assume all questions YES ? |
| 13:26.16 | abrotman | Charmy: if you don't follow the instructions ... your computer will die .. die i say .. die!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:26.16 | paulswm | Charmy: the install will take care of lilo for you |
| 13:26.32 | Charmy | abrotman: what instructions? =( |
| 13:26.39 | kromagg | abrotman: what about k-i-2.4.18? |
| 13:26.53 | paulswm | Charmy: be happy, don't worry |
| 13:26.55 | abrotman | BlSabbath: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. just hit enter everwhere it asks a question .. except the mouse .. when it asks mouse .. loook at the options |
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| 13:27.04 | abrotman | kromagg: fark if i know |
| 13:27.12 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.18-386 woody |
| 13:27.14 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.18-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.18 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.18-5 (woody), Packaged size: 8585 kB, Installed size: 23512 kB |
| 13:27.21 | paulswm | !win abrotman |
| 13:27.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 13:27.23 | abrotman | how odd |
| 13:27.30 | abrotman | don't win me .. kromagg said it .. |
| 13:27.33 | abrotman | that other one should work |
| 13:27.38 | barra | !info fsck |
| 13:27.49 | barra | how could I tell fsck to assume all questions YES ? |
| 13:27.51 | abrotman | since dpkg is still wrong |
| 13:28.01 | Charmy | okay paulswm: its done downlading, but now its giving me a scary message about NEEDING to configure Lilo. what do i do? |
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| 13:28.11 | paulswm | abrotman: you had kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 woody before |
| 13:28.11 | Charmy | paulswm: its asking "Do you want to stop now? [y/n] |
| 13:28.24 | abrotman | paulswm: and that's what it still is |
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| 13:28.33 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/ |
| 13:28.33 | oselite | Yo, how do I check my hard disk for errors?? You know, how sometimes you shut down improperly, what command does it automatically execute to check? |
| 13:28.42 | paulswm | Charmy: you don't want to stop now |
| 13:28.44 | abrotman | oselite: man fsck |
| 13:28.49 | Charmy | paulswm: So i press 'n'? |
| 13:28.57 | Charmy | paulswm: Ignore the warnings of doom about lilo? |
| 13:29.08 | paulswm | Charmy: does it say it's configuring lilo or that *you* need to? |
| 13:29.13 | abrotman | Charmy: no .. those are the instructions you need |
| 13:29.14 | kromagg | well I kinda wanted to know what the actual question was |
| 13:29.21 | kromagg | since reading up I couldn't find it |
| 13:29.23 | abrotman | char0x30: especially if it is saying about initrd |
| 13:29.30 | Charmy | abrotman: It is. |
| 13:29.32 | abrotman | kromagg: huh? |
| 13:29.36 | paulswm | Charmy: continue, and do what the instructions say |
| 13:29.40 | Charmy | abrotman: so i should follow these instructions in another VC, then answer 'n'? |
| 13:29.50 | Charmy | paulswm: Should i follow the instructions before or after saying 'n'? |
| 13:29.59 | kromagg | abrotman: eg, why should dpkg be broken? |
| 13:30.04 | abrotman | Charmy: i don't remember the exact question .. but yes .. you *need* to follow those instructions |
| 13:30.11 | Charmy | abrotman: okay. |
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| 13:30.18 | abrotman | kromagg: !info kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 woody |
| 13:30.24 | paulswm | Charmy: you don't want to stop now. |
| 13:30.25 | abrotman | kromagg: that package exists in woody |
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| 13:30.50 | abrotman | paulswm: i thikn he's on the bootblock question |
| 13:30.50 | kromagg | abrotman: aha the bot? k :) |
| 13:30.56 | abrotman | kromagg: yes |
| 13:31.14 | paulswm | Charmy: installing a kernel is pretty straighforward. Once you've installed, don't reboot until we've checked lilo with you. |
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| 13:32.22 | Trev_ | Morning ! |
| 13:32.34 | ThePiratemaster | hi |
| 13:32.40 | Charmy | okay, i've modified lilo.conf as instructed, adding the initrd line to the vmlinuz stanza |
| 13:32.46 | Charmy | and i've now answered 'no' |
| 13:32.50 | paulswm | Charmy: anyway, when you did the woody install, I assume you created the rescue disk |
| 13:33.00 | Charmy | paulswm: you assume correctly |
| 13:33.12 | paulswm | !win Charmy |
| 13:33.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, Charmy! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
| 13:33.23 | kromagg | if he did woody install he's probably got a .old link too |
| 13:33.25 | Charmy | !win Charmy |
| 13:33.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, Charmy! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 13:33.53 | ThePiratemaster | lol |
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| 13:34.01 | ThePiratemaster | !win trogdor |
| 13:34.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, trogdor! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 13:34.08 | paulswm | !lol |
| 13:34.08 | dpkg | [lol] Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
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| 13:34.21 | paulswm | heh |
| 13:34.24 | Charmy | paulswm: its asking if i want a boot block on lilo.conf |
| 13:34.51 | ThePiratemaster | !win marsupilami |
| 13:34.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, marsupilami! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 13:35.05 | paulswm | Charmy: what is the exact question |
| 13:35.18 | Charmy | install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 13:35.24 | paulswm | Charmy: yes |
| 13:35.37 | Charmy | installation successful |
| 13:35.42 | Charmy | i'm back at the command prompt. now do i reboot.. or..? |
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| 13:36.08 | abrotman | Charmy: would you rather have us check it? |
| 13:36.16 | Charmy | abrotman: sure, check how? |
| 13:36.17 | abrotman | why didn't Charmy install sarge? |
| 13:36.36 | Charmy | abrotman: because it refused to work =( |
| 13:36.44 | abrotman | Charmy: cat /etc/lilo.conf | grep initrd |
| 13:37.18 | abrotman | !uuoc abrotman |
| 13:37.20 | Charmy | abrotman: initrd=/initrd.img |
| 13:37.34 | abrotman | i can't believe we dont' have a uuoc factoid |
| 13:38.08 | paulswm | Charmy: you should be fine to reboot |
| 13:38.12 | kromagg | didn't know about that one |
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| 13:38.27 | paulswm | Charmy: we have the rescue disk anyway |
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| 13:38.41 | abrotman | kromagg: what one? |
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| 13:38.43 | abrotman | !uuoc |
| 13:38.43 | dpkg | i guess uuoc is Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 13:39.00 | paulswm | !bless Charmy |
| 13:39.00 | abrotman | !bless Charmy |
| 13:39.01 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Charmy, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 13:39.03 | Charmy | paulswm: thanks =) |
| 13:39.04 | paulswm | heh |
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| 13:39.33 | kromagg | aha |
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| 13:39.44 | Charmy | paulswm: the machine seems to be booting normally.. |
| 13:40.20 | Charmy | paulswm: ype, booted normally. uname -r confirms the new kernel version |
| 13:40.36 | paulswm | Charmy: kernel installs are pretty straighforwad, the problem is when you move kernels around manually and stuff and forget to rerun lilo |
| 13:40.37 | ThePiratemaster | i cannot install woody, it appears that i cant connect to the server |
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| 13:40.56 | paulswm | Charmy: Yay! |
| 13:41.10 | abrotman | now the isapnp fun begins :) |
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| 13:41.17 | Charmy | paulswm: allelujia! i have sound drivers =p |
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| 13:41.31 | abrotman | eww ... isa sound .. forget it .. buy a casio |
| 13:41.48 | paulswm | Charmy: now I'll back out and watch, because I don't do sound, which abrotman will confirm at length if you ask him, heh |
| 13:41.50 | Charmy | so, now what adventures await me? |
| 13:41.59 | abrotman | paulswm: yeah .. but i donb't do isapnp :) |
| 13:42.07 | Charmy | abrotman: Okay.. i guess you're my only hoep =) |
| 13:42.16 | kromagg | I don't know anybody who does isapnp |
| 13:42.17 | abrotman | Charmy: you're gong to have to read .. |
| 13:42.23 | abrotman | kromagg: there's a resaon for that |
| 13:42.33 | abrotman | !tell Charmy about isapnp |
| 13:42.35 | paulswm | Charmy: back to the sound howto I gave you earlier, prolly |
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| 13:42.43 | abrotman | !tell Charmy about isapnp sound |
| 13:42.53 | kasra_23 | hello? |
| 13:42.56 | Charmy | abrotman: Should i install emu101k with modconf? |
| 13:43.12 | abrotman | Charmy: no .. it's sb16 most likely |
| 13:43.20 | abrotman | or just sb |
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| 13:43.52 | Charmy | abrotman: Okay, i'll follow the instructions of dpkg. |
| 13:43.57 | nksen | what shoud I use instead of rcconf? |
| 13:44.05 | Charmy | abrotman: it says i need to determine which module to use.. how do i do that? |
| 13:44.15 | abrotman | Charmy: good place to start .. if you really need to know which driver .. google for the sound card model and "linux driver" |
| 13:44.28 | abrotman | Charmy: do you iknow what kind of card it is? |
| 13:44.39 | Zvpun | charmy: do you have a knoppix cd? it has hardwaredetection |
| 13:44.40 | Charmy | abrotman: yes, a soundblaster 16. so i'm guessing 'sb' will do nicely |
| 13:44.46 | Charmy | Zvpun: i don't =( |
| 13:44.51 | abrotman | Charmy: maybe ... |
| 13:44.52 | paulswm | Charmy: I believe that you are correct. |
| 13:45.00 | Charmy | paulswm: okay, i'll install this then with modconf |
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| 13:45.22 | abrotman | i don't think knoppix does ISA |
| 13:45.44 | Charmy | abrotman: the shot in the dark worked! |
| 13:45.52 | abrotman | Charmy: yay |
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| 13:45.56 | takatumi | nksen: try sysvconfig or just update-rc.d |
| 13:45.57 | paulswm | Charmy: yay |
| 13:45.59 | Charmy | abrotman: i tried io=330, irq=7, dma=1 |
| 13:46.07 | abrotman | 7? |
| 13:46.08 | Charmy | abrotman: installation successful =) random values i remembered from somewhere p |
| 13:46.13 | abrotman | isn't it normally 5? |
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| 13:46.20 | Charmy | abrotman: i think 5 is taken... |
| 13:46.25 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:46.40 | abrotman | Charmy: if you read the isapnp sound factoid .. it tells you how to get those values |
| 13:46.57 | ThePiratemaster | i cannot install woody, it appears that i cant connect to the server in the netinst |
| 13:47.10 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: for wokrstation or sarver? |
| 13:47.17 | ThePiratemaster | server |
| 13:47.28 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: did you try typing 'bf24' at the prompt? |
| 13:47.36 | paulswm | ThePiratemaster: what is your connection: modem, cable, ASDL, ISDN... |
| 13:47.38 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: and what kind of server? |
| 13:47.53 | ThePiratemaster | ethernet |
| 13:47.57 | abrotman | and what kind of NIC? |
| 13:48.11 | abrotman | resiak: bah .. back to sleep with you! |
| 13:48.15 | ThePiratemaster | nfs/smb/imap/dns |
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| 13:48.22 | resiak | abrotman: Sleep? I'm not always a lazy student. |
| 13:48.30 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: i meant .. who made your server |
| 13:48.41 | ThePiratemaster | i did |
| 13:48.45 | abrotman | resiak: then why are you in college? |
| 13:48.53 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: it's whitebox? |
| 13:48.55 | ThePiratemaster | it's a dual processing p3 |
| 13:49.00 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: what kind of NIC ? |
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| 13:49.26 | ThePiratemaster | 3com |
| 13:49.30 | ThePiratemaster | 509 |
| 13:49.38 | abrotman | and you loaded the drivers for it? |
| 13:49.48 | abrotman | since i can't remember what they are anymore |
| 13:50.21 | ThePiratemaster | its trying to download the kernel modules |
| 13:50.39 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: use the ones off the CD |
| 13:50.49 | Charmy | abrotman: i don't know how to 'make multiple choice' in isapnp.conf.. but i read it. |
| 13:51.44 | Om | Can anyone help me with some probs I've been having with themes? i'm using Gnome, and for a while the theme switcher worked fine, but now (I'm using the 'Lush' theme) it won't change to anything else, oddly it seems that it *think* it has changed, as if you try to change it and then reopen the theme manager it has that one selected, but all the windows are using 'Lush' |
| 13:51.54 | abrotman | Charmy: i haven't used isapnp in a long time |
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| 13:51.59 | ThePiratemaster | i think it has been loaded now |
| 13:53.05 | ThePiratemaster | now it sais hostname lookup failure |
| 13:53.12 | ThePiratemaster | O_O |
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| 13:54.30 | bob2 | bah |
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| 13:55.13 | Bramme | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=286851 |
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| 13:55.46 | bob2 | if a question is too long to ask on irc, it probably means you should be asking it on a list. |
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| 13:56.13 | Kraig | wasn't there a package named remoteX? |
| 13:56.15 | Om | Was that at me? |
| 13:56.31 | Bramme | bob2, than just say you don't want to help me :p |
| 13:56.45 | cahoot | Bramme: one thing seems to be you need module-init-tools |
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| 13:56.52 | bob2 | or that opening up a web browser and possibly pasting stuff here is too annoying to bother |
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| 13:57.44 | Bramme | nice people in here, always searching for an excuse not to help |
| 13:57.53 | bob2 | bah, idiot |
| 13:57.58 | ThePiratemaster | never noticed |
| 13:58.07 | ThePiratemaster | they've been hekping me all day long |
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| 13:58.24 | Om | Any ideas on my problem? :) |
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| 14:00.30 | Charmy | abrotman: cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp this command doesn't work =( |
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| 14:00.34 | ThePiratemaster | when i try to install woody it sais "hostname lookup failure" |
| 14:00.37 | resiak | Om: Have you tried logging out, logging in and changing it then? Also try #gnome |
| 14:00.38 | Charmy | abrotman: I get some kind of IRQ/DRQ error |
| 14:00.47 | Charmy | abrotman: however, the SB driver installed without a hitch, wiht no error messages =/ |
| 14:01.11 | bob2 | ThePiratemaster: you're being too vague for anyone to help you |
| 14:01.13 | Om | resiak, no I haven't, though reboots haven't solved the problem |
| 14:01.20 | bob2 | you need to say exactly when it's saying that |
| 14:01.25 | bob2 | and the exact error message |
| 14:01.29 | resiak | Om: In other words, yes, you have tried logging out and in again., |
| 14:01.33 | ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 14:01.38 | Maxzorin123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.44 | bob2 | Maxzorin123: #mepis |
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| 14:02.02 | resiak | bob2: How did you know he was a Mepisite? |
| 14:02.06 | joefso | Hi all |
| 14:02.08 | Om | I'll try #gnome then :) |
| 14:02.09 | xscript | hi all. could anyone tell me why is my debian/config script not running on package install? |
| 14:02.13 | ThePiratemaster | when i try to install woody over network it sais "hostname lookup failure" when i start downloading the packages off the server |
| 14:02.14 | bob2 | resiak: I'm in #mepis, too. |
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| 14:02.19 | joefso | Hi all |
| 14:02.22 | joefso | I installed the whole *-terminus package, but I can't use the font in kde or in konsole? Using debian |
| 14:02.25 | bob2 | ThePiratemaster: sounds like your network is misconfigured |
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| 14:02.41 | ThePiratemaster | no im absoluty sure its right |
| 14:02.42 | resiak | bob2: Ah :) |
| 14:02.56 | tux_ | hello :) can someone help me? I have a little problem with dual display at ibook G4... |
| 14:03.04 | ThePiratemaster | i chwecked it multiple times |
| 14:03.06 | abrotman | Charmy: you have to get the IRQ from isapnpdump i think |
| 14:03.09 | paulswm | Charmy: advice, generally ask questions without addressing someone specifically, then someone else may jump in and help, abrotman may be afk |
| 14:03.19 | paulswm | heh |
| 14:03.19 | bob2 | ThePiratemaster: can you ping your gateway? nameservers? |
| 14:03.24 | paulswm | *now* he answers |
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| 14:03.29 | tux_ | can I have diffrent resolutions on internal and external monitor while using MergedFB? |
| 14:03.32 | kvossen | I've just apt-upgraded my kernel to 2.6.10 and now I get a list of error messages in the style of 'error removing <module>: device or resource busy' while booting. What gives? |
| 14:03.33 | abrotman | paulswm: i was .. sister called .. noone knows what's going on wrt memorial etc |
| 14:03.49 | ThePiratemaster | lemme check |
| 14:03.50 | bob2 | tux_: try asking in #freedesktop, if you're using x.org |
| 14:03.51 | Charmy | paulswm: I'll try. Im not sure how to get the irq from isapnpdump, its all greek to me. |
| 14:04.09 | ThePiratemaster | the server is on the other side of the dept |
| 14:04.10 | ThePiratemaster | brb |
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| 14:04.15 | abrotman | !tell Charmy about isapnp soud |
| 14:04.17 | abrotman | !tell Charmy about isapnp sound |
| 14:04.27 | kromagg | spammer |
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| 14:04.34 | tux_ | bob2: i have xfree86 |
| 14:04.34 | Charmy | abrotman: I already have that information, abrotman |
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| 14:04.40 | paulswm | Charmy: not meant as a criticism, just that someone who knows the answer may stay out of a person-to-person exchange |
| 14:04.50 | Charmy | abrotman: i followed the instructions as best i could |
| 14:04.55 | abrotman | Charmy: so you have the irq,dma,io ? |
| 14:05.04 | abrotman | i still vote for buying a Casio :) |
| 14:05.07 | xscript | any channel for debian packaging-related questions, please? (not an official package) |
| 14:05.10 | Charmy | abrotman: isapnp.conf is a massive file full of various things i don't understand. I don't know how to read it to get that information |
| 14:05.10 | abrotman | Charmy: how old is this machine? |
| 14:05.15 | Charmy | abrotman: this machine is 10 years old. |
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| 14:05.23 | abrotman | Charmy: and it has no pci sound? |
| 14:05.24 | paulswm | abrotman: older than dirt |
| 14:05.32 | abrotman | paulswm: 2 days older than jesus ? |
| 14:05.32 | Charmy | abrotman: No. i had onboard sound, and a legacy sb16 isa card |
| 14:05.41 | Charmy | abrotman: er, has. |
| 14:05.43 | bob2 | xscript: #debian-mentors, or better still, the debian-mentors list |
| 14:05.44 | Om | Just one other thing, when I open the theme manager it pops up an error window, but it gets rid of it before the error has been printed, so how can I find out what the error is? |
| 14:05.46 | abrotman | Charmy: does the onboard work? |
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| 14:05.57 | Charmy | abrotman: If it does, i don't know how to use it. |
| 14:05.58 | xscript | bob2: thanks a lot |
| 14:06.03 | resiak | Om: Like I said, #gnome. |
| 14:06.12 | Charmy | abrotman: i figure if i have the sb16, mine as well use that |
| 14:06.36 | Charmy | abrotman: for the record, the sb16 worked fine in MSDOS and win98 |
| 14:06.55 | kromagg | Charmy: post the relevant sections of that file on nomorepasting.org, then give us the link |
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| 14:07.08 | abrotman | Charmy: i had one that did too .. but would only work in linux if first initialized by dos/win32 |
| 14:07.08 | kromagg | can't be that hard to figure out those values |
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| 14:07.52 | kromagg | sometimes I think this chan should have name filters |
| 14:07.59 | Gumby | if I get a kernel message saying "disabling IRQ #10" is there a way to re-enable that IRQ other than rebooting? |
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| 14:09.29 | bob2 | a-KURDISH_M26: if you're not a spammer, please choose a less annoying nick |
| 14:09.54 | kromagg | (one without caps preferably) |
| 14:10.02 | a-KURDISH_M26 | what bob2??? |
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| 14:10.07 | bob2 | lord |
| 14:10.13 | bob2 | this is going to end well |
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| 14:10.18 | BlSabbath | hi abrotman |
| 14:10.23 | abrotman | hi |
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| 14:10.38 | bob2 | speaking of which, "high contrast" is an excellent DJ, afaict. |
| 14:10.39 | BlSabbath | the problem must go on.. |
| 14:10.49 | abrotman | BlSabbath: what device did you tell X your mouse was using? |
| 14:11.03 | BlSabbath | dev/mice or somthing else |
| 14:11.12 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice ? |
| 14:11.15 | BlSabbath | yes |
| 14:11.22 | abrotman | no joy at all> |
| 14:11.22 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:11.30 | BlSabbath | no.. |
| 14:11.41 | ThePiratemaster | the network is offline... |
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| 14:11.53 | BlSabbath | the light is red, on control sistem it recognize it |
| 14:11.59 | bob2 | ThePiratemaster: ? |
| 14:12.11 | bob2 | ThePiratemaster: it really sunds like it's just that your network is screwed |
| 14:12.11 | bob2 | /win171 |
| 14:12.21 | BlSabbath | but the pointer is stopped.. |
| 14:12.22 | ThePiratemaster | yes it is |
| 14:12.36 | ThePiratemaster | the routers and servers and gateways are all offline |
| 14:12.44 | ThePiratemaster | so there's the prob |
| 14:12.54 | paulswm | !tell ThePiratemaster about enter |
| 14:12.54 | kromagg | ThePiratemaster: red light on your hub/switch? |
| 14:13.10 | BlSabbath | abrotman any idea? |
| 14:13.24 | ThePiratemaster | thank god im on wan :), im the only one with interent |
| 14:13.56 | abrotman | BlSabbath: it sounds ot me like X is still looking at the wrong device node |
| 14:13.57 | BlSabbath | abrotman: exactly, what i've to add on config strings? |
| 14:14.04 | kromagg | I actually had a faulty NIC bring down my network once (cheap hub too) |
| 14:14.20 | BlSabbath | uhm... |
| 14:14.23 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:14.23 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
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| 14:14.43 | ThePiratemaster | or use www.pastebin.com |
| 14:14.43 | abrotman | BlSabbath: look in your X log .. see which mouse it is using |
| 14:14.54 | keta | !botsnack |
| 14:14.55 | dpkg | keta: thanks |
| 14:15.00 | kromagg | heh cool that paster |
| 14:15.24 | Charmy | Okay everyone, here is my isapnp.conf.. i can't read it myself.. |
| 14:15.25 | Charmy | http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=30968 |
| 14:15.27 | keta | don't forget to feed the bots guys |
| 14:15.39 | BlSabbath | abrotman: agiler 3d usb mouse |
| 14:15.40 | Charmy | abrotman: Can you tell me where to look in that? There are so many options, i'm not sure which means what |
| 14:15.42 | ThePiratemaster | !botsnack |
| 14:15.42 | dpkg | ThePiratemaster: aw, gee |
| 14:16.06 | ThePiratemaster | how about dinner |
| 14:16.07 | ThePiratemaster | !botsnack |
| 14:16.11 | abrotman | Charmy: can you do me a favor .. lspci .. look for an audio device |
| 14:16.11 | dpkg | ThePiratemaster: aw, gee |
| 14:16.13 | ThePiratemaster | ;) |
| 14:16.24 | kromagg | heh okay that's some evil looking output |
| 14:16.25 | ThePiratemaster | dont i know you from somewhere |
| 14:16.32 | ThePiratemaster | :P |
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| 14:16.47 | Charmy | abrotman: no audio device |
| 14:16.54 | abrotman | Charmy: you're sure? |
| 14:17.12 | abrotman | Charmy: it would at like audio device or something |
| 14:17.33 | Charmy | abrotman: proof http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=30969 |
| 14:17.37 | BlSabbath | abrotman: agiler 3d usb mouse...damn! why it recognize..and doesn't works!! |
| 14:17.46 | mxn | Hi. I'm trying to use the hplip driver in conjuction with cupsys to print via samba (a printer on a Windows machine). However, I don't know what the address format should be, when I'm adding it in the cups web admin panel. Any suggestions? |
| 14:18.03 | BlSabbath | grrr |
| 14:18.12 | Vroum | moin |
| 14:18.18 | abrotman | i wish #debian had an isapnp ninja |
| 14:18.23 | BlSabbath | stupid mouse |
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| 14:18.40 | Charmy | abrotman: told you its incomprehensible =p |
| 14:18.41 | abrotman | Charmy: nice video card |
| 14:18.48 | ThePiratemaster | does anyone know where i can back-ups of commercial MS operating systems |
| 14:18.48 | Charmy | abrotman: which one? |
| 14:19.01 | abrotman | Charmy: the rendition one |
| 14:19.11 | Charmy | abrotman: yeah. its nice. too bad it only works in vesa driver. oh well |
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| 14:19.19 | diepes | BlSabbath: have you tried different mouse option in XF86Config file ? |
| 14:19.21 | ThePiratemaster | ms server2003 |
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| 14:19.23 | kromagg | how about 5,0,1? |
| 14:19.32 | abrotman | Charmy: you have no access to a pci sound carD? |
| 14:19.37 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: this is not #warez |
| 14:19.37 | Charmy | abrotman: negative |
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| 14:19.51 | Charmy | abrotman: and even if i did, i have no pci slots lefta vailable |
| 14:19.51 | abrotman | Charmy: what's the CPU on this box? |
| 14:19.54 | ThePiratemaster | im asking a back-up, i have license |
| 14:19.59 | Charmy | abrotman: pentium 200mhz |
| 14:20.08 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: you'd have to ask MS for a media pack |
| 14:20.21 | ThePiratemaster | ok, tnx |
| 14:20.42 | abrotman | Charmy: this is why ISA died .. because it sucks .. and it's slow |
| 14:20.55 | abrotman | Charmy: you may have to tell your bios to reserve that IRQ for isa |
| 14:20.55 | Charmy | abrotman: =( so where do i go from here? |
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| 14:21.00 | kromagg | Charmy: or no, maybe 5,3,1 |
| 14:21.04 | Charmy | abrotman: How? |
| 14:21.04 | kromagg | looks like a candidate |
| 14:21.14 | Charmy | abrotman: my bios is total garbage. it has no options whatsoever |
| 14:21.22 | kromagg | that's irq/channel/dma |
| 14:21.28 | Charmy | abrotman: my bios can do 4 things. show drives. set date. set password. set pnp. thats it. |
| 14:21.29 | chugga | what is bacula? |
| 14:21.43 | chugga | !dpkg bacula |
| 14:21.50 | abrotman | Charmy: pnp might be what you want .. if you can tell it to reserver IRQs . but i'm pretty sure sound is usually 5 |
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| 14:21.56 | paulswm | ?me looks at Charmy's BIOS screen and rolls his eyes |
| 14:21.59 | abrotman | !bacula |
| 14:22.01 | paulswm | heh |
| 14:22.22 | Charmy | abrotman: okay. how can i tell if there is an irq conflict within debian? is there a way? no conflict was detected by modconf, even with no settings by me.. (i assume that means they used the default) |
| 14:22.24 | abrotman | i've seen SCSI bioses with more options :) |
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| 14:22.36 | paulswm | My watch has more options |
| 14:22.38 | Charmy | paulswm: Blame AST computters =( |
| 14:22.45 | ThePiratemaster | p1: old cpu that can be placed on a frisbee, someimes used an a motherboard in museum computers |
| 14:22.51 | abrotman | Charmy: cat /proc/interrupts ? |
| 14:22.51 | paulswm | !blame AST computers |
| 14:23.22 | Charmy | http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=30971 result of that command |
| 14:23.22 | ThePiratemaster | !blame foreigners |
| 14:23.30 | ThePiratemaster | :P:P |
| 14:23.43 | Charmy | looks good to me! |
| 14:23.51 | kromagg | yep that's irq 5 |
| 14:24.09 | abrotman | odd .. soundblaster is using 6 |
| 14:24.10 | Charmy | everything is as it should be, it looks like. |
| 14:24.13 | Charmy | it is? |
| 14:24.24 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:24.26 | abrotman | i lied |
| 14:24.30 | Charmy | ??? |
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| 14:24.41 | abrotman | it's line 6 .. but irq5 |
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| 14:24.52 | kromagg | yeah |
| 14:25.02 | Charmy | so.. does this mean everything is setup correctly? |
| 14:25.10 | Charmy | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp still doesn't work though. |
| 14:25.17 | abrotman | Charmy: as you or root? |
| 14:25.23 | Charmy | root, of course |
| 14:25.29 | dvs | Doh! |
| 14:25.42 | kromagg | Charmy: what arguments did you give for loading the module? |
| 14:25.52 | Charmy | kromagg: None |
| 14:26.07 | kromagg | Charmy: and it worked? |
| 14:26.15 | Charmy | kromagg perfectly with no error messages |
| 14:26.23 | abrotman | of course :) |
| 14:26.37 | kromagg | very suspect for an ISA device but k |
| 14:26.59 | kromagg | could you try installing aumix and see if you can edit the mixer settings? |
| 14:27.02 | abrotman | isa is very suspect |
| 14:27.10 | abrotman | sounds like kromagg is far better at this isa stuff than me :) |
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| 14:27.32 | kromagg | not really but I helped the last guy with isa who was in here (about 3 months ago) ;) |
| 14:27.37 | abrotman | i swore ISA after the great battle of 1999 |
| 14:27.43 | abrotman | eerr swore off |
| 14:27.44 | Charmy | aumix? is that a package? |
| 14:27.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:27.52 | abrotman | err |
| 14:27.54 | Charmy | okay. i'll grabit |
| 14:27.54 | abrotman | it's a program |
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| 14:28.27 | kromagg | I seriously need to get back to work though |
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| 14:28.37 | kromagg | bbl |
| 14:28.41 | abrotman | kromagg: no way .. you started it!! |
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| 14:29.06 | Charmy | kromagg: Okay i'm in aumix. i see a bunch of sliders |
| 14:29.16 | abrotman | move them all up |
| 14:29.26 | Charmy | they're already fairly close to max |
| 14:30.04 | Charmy | what would be a good way to test if sound is working? |
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| 14:30.17 | Charmy | cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp i have no clue what that is supposed to do |
| 14:30.18 | abrotman | well ..that's the software volume control |
| 14:30.25 | asuffield | turn on the speakers |
| 14:30.25 | abrotman | Charmy: make nasty static |
| 14:30.28 | Charmy | okay.. well the software volume control works.. guess thats a good thing. |
| 14:30.37 | Charmy | the speaks are on |
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| 14:31.32 | Charmy | when i try that 'cat' command i get the following error |
| 14:31.38 | abrotman | !be isapnp barbie |
| 14:31.38 | dpkg | Editing /etc/isapnp.conf is HARD! |
| 14:31.42 | Charmy | Sound: DMA (output) timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error? |
| 14:31.56 | abrotman | Charmy: i really think it's supposed to be 5 |
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| 14:32.04 | Charmy | it is 5, according to /proc |
| 14:32.07 | Charmy | i showed you the paste. |
| 14:32.13 | abrotman | but what did you tell the driver? |
| 14:32.18 | Charmy | i told the driver nothing. |
| 14:32.24 | dvs | Charmy: Thats the prob |
| 14:32.35 | Charmy | dvs: So I should uninstall and reinstall the driver, with specific information? |
| 14:32.44 | dvs | Charmy: yes |
| 14:32.54 | Charmy | dvs: okay, i will use the command arguments io=330 irq=5 dma=1 |
| 14:33.18 | Charmy | dvs: funny how with no arguments it installs succesfully |
| 14:33.31 | dvs | Charmy: That's ISA for you |
| 14:33.47 | scirkuit | i set up an fstab entry for a secondary hd like the ones that are there for /media/something but when i mount (as a user) only root has access, where do i give the user read access? |
| 14:33.48 | scirkuit | Charmy, and make sure they're all turned on! |
| 14:33.52 | abrotman | :) |
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| 14:33.57 | dvs | bah! |
| 14:34.15 | Zvpun | scirkuit what fs is on the 2nd hd? |
| 14:34.18 | Charmy | okay, with the arguments it still works |
| 14:34.22 | Zvpun | scirkuit: what kernel do you use? |
| 14:34.30 | Charmy | but i get error messsages |
| 14:34.37 | Zvpun | scirkuit: it would be some umask option for fat |
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| 14:34.41 | Charmy | it says interupt test on irq 5 failed- probabllle irq conflict |
| 14:34.45 | netsurfer | guys, just installed new kernel (2.4.29) with Woody - getting error /sbin/init: 426: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 14:34.48 | Charmy | it also says sb16: bad or missing 16 bit dma channel |
| 14:34.57 | Charmy | is that bad? |
| 14:35.07 | Kraig | is there a remoteX viewer involving sound also? |
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| 14:35.23 | dvs | Charmy: io should be io=0x330 |
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| 14:35.34 | Charmy | dvs: Okay. i will readd then. |
| 14:35.38 | dvs | (if that's the right place) |
| 14:35.44 | Charmy | dvs: right place? |
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| 14:36.00 | dvs | if that's the correct io address |
| 14:36.16 | Charmy | dvs: well, not sure what else it could be. |
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| 14:36.45 | dvs | I'm looking at the Soundblaster docs in the kernel for 2.6.10 and it says that the MPU uses 0x300 or 0x330 |
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| 14:37.10 | resiak | Kraig: You need to be using a sound daemon that does networking. Esd does. |
| 14:37.29 | si|vercat | how do I check what dma-mode my disk is running at? |
| 14:37.33 | Kraig | resiak: thanks, i'll RTFM |
| 14:37.38 | carnage | hey is it possible to watch wmv's in debian? |
| 14:37.48 | abrotman | !wmv |
| 14:37.51 | Charmy | vds: So i should try 0x300? |
| 14:37.53 | abrotman | carnage: it is |
| 14:37.54 | resiak | !mplayer |
| 14:37.54 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see 'marillat' or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 14:38.30 | dvs | Charmy: In the soundblaster docs, it says the soundblaster usually uses 0x220,0x240,0x260,0x280 for the io addresses |
| 14:38.42 | Poeloq | just a quick question: which software can play windows *.wmv ? |
| 14:38.50 | kobs_ | read up |
| 14:38.58 | kobs_ | someone asked the same question... |
| 14:39.08 | carnage | heh |
| 14:39.16 | Charmy | dvs: Yes, it was detected at 0x220. i fixed that now. irq and dma still report errors though |
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| 14:39.19 | carnage | xine doesn't play wmv's :/ |
| 14:39.33 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:39.35 | si|vercat | I used gxine and downloaded a codec pack from somewhere and made it play everything :P |
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| 14:39.56 | Poeloq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:40.28 | dvs | Charmy: It says the irq can be one of 5,7,9,10 and the dma can be one of 0,1,3 usually |
| 14:40.30 | paulswm | Poeloq: gxine is a graphical interface for xine |
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| 14:40.39 | Poeloq | oh sounds nice :D |
| 14:40.47 | Charmy | dvs: yeah. and as you saw from the /procs thing, the irq 5 is not in use, and was set to soundblaster |
| 14:40.56 | dvs | Charmy: Yup |
| 14:41.00 | xogon | what partition type to select for a new partition in an LVM virtual thingy? |
| 14:41.04 | Charmy | dvs: The dma channel is unique too /procs/dma |
| 14:41.13 | Charmy | dvs: So there is no conflict i can see |
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| 14:41.46 | paulswm | xogon: LVM2 doesn't care, but you should select type 8e |
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| 14:42.05 | xogon | paulswm: the default on the debian installer is msdos |
| 14:42.22 | xogon | paulswm: i think you mean somethign different |
| 14:42.42 | xogon | i've already created the logical volumes and now have to put filesystems onto them |
| 14:42.54 | dvs | Charmy: The only other thing I would try is not specifying the irq and dma (it's a long shot but worth a try) |
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| 14:43.10 | paulswm | xogon: you asked for what an VLM partition typeshould be, so that's the question I answered :) |
| 14:43.15 | mxn | Hi. I'm trying to use cupsys and hplip to print to a printer attached to a Windows machine on my LAN. I've done it before but I can't get some details right this time. Can anyone help? |
| 14:43.45 | xogon | paulswm: i meant the filesystem to use inside LVM on a pre-alllocated logical volume |
| 14:43.48 | Charmy | dvs: Ah, got it working! |
| 14:43.53 | paulswm | xogon: you can use whatever filesystems you want on logical volumes, same as with non-LVM physical partitions |
| 14:43.57 | dvs | !beer Charmy |
| 14:44.03 | abrotman | Charmy: it makes noise? |
| 14:44.08 | Charmy | dvs: I tried the onboard soundcard instead, the cs4232 crystal pnp, and it worked instantly.. i guess i shouldn't have been so stuck on the sb16 =( |
| 14:44.16 | Charmy | abrotman: Yes, i got this annoying static sound =p |
| 14:44.19 | paulswm | xogon: read the LVM howto if you haven't, it's fairly good |
| 14:44.21 | abrotman | good |
| 14:44.26 | xogon | paulswm: well i don't see a choise for xfs. and msdos is the default which seems a bit odd |
| 14:44.27 | abrotman | Charmy: now your life will be complete |
| 14:44.35 | Charmy | abrotman: so now how do i play some REAL music =p |
| 14:44.38 | dvs | Charmy: Chuck the SoundBlaster! ;-) |
| 14:44.41 | xogon | considering that this is a linux install CD and all... |
| 14:44.44 | Charmy | dvs: Will do. |
| 14:44.47 | abrotman | Charmy: which is ? |
| 14:44.59 | Charmy | abrotman: Well.. is there any music in the linux install..? |
| 14:45.03 | Charmy | abrotman: some kind of sample music? |
| 14:45.10 | Charmy | abrotman: any kind of 'noise' which isn't random static? |
| 14:45.21 | paulswm | xogon: you use a flavor of mkfs to make filesystems just the same as usual, it's no different with locial volumes |
| 14:45.21 | Charmy | abrotman: can i copy mp3 files to there? |
| 14:45.29 | paulswm | s/cia/ciga/ |
| 14:45.50 | xogon | paulswm: thanks |
| 14:45.53 | abrotman | Charmy: you can .. |
| 14:46.11 | paulswm | xogon: man mkfs.xfs of course :) |
| 14:46.48 | xogon | paulswm: i'm such an idiot. the question was 'partition table type' |
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| 14:46.57 | paulswm | xogon: msdos |
| 14:47.00 | paulswm | heh |
| 14:47.03 | xogon | paulswm: then it gives a choice, default is msdos |
| 14:47.08 | xogon | yeah |
| 14:47.15 | paulswm | !beat xogon just for fun |
| 14:47.23 | Charmy | abrotman: how? |
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| 14:47.38 | abrotman | Charmy: that's up to oyu .. i odn't know where they are now |
| 14:48.22 | gothtec | chown -R us /home/*/base/ |
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| 14:49.09 | xogon | paulswm: is it best to use one filesystem per VG? for example /home goes in its own VG? then later i can swap freespace between the VGs if necessary? |
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| 14:49.38 | oPeter | Hello i have a little problem with sarge install, i now have: 'Starting up the partitioner' 'Scanning disks', is it normal that that takes long? it's on my screen for over 5 minutes now |
| 14:50.01 | sanitarium | anyone here help me with settings .. is there a power management setup in debian |
| 14:50.03 | gothtec | do you have like 50 disks in a raid? |
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| 14:50.17 | asg | oPeter: can you switch to vc2 - vc4? (alt+2, alt+3, ...) |
| 14:50.21 | xogon | this is so complex. if i have more than one partition inside a VG, i can also resize each of them manually? or can space only be allocated between partitions in the same VG? |
| 14:50.21 | sanitarium | i left pc on overnight screensaver on and it froze up |
| 14:50.22 | oPeter | gothtec: if that was to me, no just 1 sata and 1 IDE |
| 14:50.24 | hyksos | hi, when i change something a admin in gnome-cups-manager, it doesnt save the settings? what can i do, that it saves the settings? |
| 14:50.25 | Charmy | abrotman: crap. i'm not sure why, but instlaling the cs4232 has thrown my ethernet card into chaos. its now constantly switching duplex modes |
| 14:50.33 | Charmy | abrotman: and i can't connect to it on the network anymore |
| 14:50.49 | Charmy | abrotman: something called 'netdev watchdog'? |
| 14:51.14 | abrotman | Charmy: lovely .. try restarting the computer .. see if it helps |
| 14:52.01 | paulswm | xogon: I can tell you what I do. I have 3x80GB, 1x250GB and 2x160GB drives. I make physical partitions of 40GB in size, and build volume groups each containing one of those 40GB physical volumes. Then I create logical volumes within those volume groups depending on the disk I want the filesystems located. really, how you do LVM depends on how many disks you have and how many volume groups you want to mess with |
| 14:52.02 | Charmy | abrotman: just did, no luck |
| 14:52.21 | sanitarium | i also noticed during reboot something about acpi modules .. wondering if okay to turn off acpi in bios |
| 14:52.32 | sanitarium | anyone using it ? |
| 14:53.15 | sanitarium | also can someone message dpkg about adding sid to sarge and nvidia so i can setup 3d |
| 14:53.18 | sanitarium | thank you |
| 14:53.19 | abrotman | Charmy: not sure .. maybe tell the NIC to use another irq |
| 14:53.19 | paulswm | xogon: if you have just one disk, then it's easier to manage if you create just one LVM partition, make it a physical volume, and make one vg on it |
| 14:53.26 | resiak | sanitarium: why not message him yourself? |
| 14:53.30 | resiak | !tell sanitarium about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:53.31 | abrotman | !tell sanitarium about msg |
| 14:54.21 | Charmy | abrotman: but there is no conflict according to /proc/interrupts |
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| 14:54.29 | oPeter | :( |
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| 14:54.35 | xogon | paulswm: i have one disk only. i made several VGs thinking that each filesystem (e.g. var, home, etc.) would go on to each. i should not do this and put them all on separate partitions inside just one VG then |
| 14:54.50 | abrotman | Charmy: i'm really not sure ... check your logs maybe |
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| 14:55.04 | Charmy | abrotman: and to make matters worse, removing the cs4232 driver doesn't solve the problem c.c |
| 14:55.29 | abrotman | Charmy: maybe if you boot without it running? |
| 14:55.30 | xogon | paulswm: the main thing is to be able to say at some future time 'take 5 GB from /home and give it to /var' and have it work |
| 14:55.53 | oPeter | if i'm waiting for 10 minutes now for starting up the partitioner, is it adviced to wait? or did the install failled |
| 14:55.57 | asg | oPeter: can you switch to vc2 - vc4? (alt+2, alt+3, ...) |
| 14:55.58 | sanitarium | resiak, what to msg dpkg to find out what he has for list? |
| 14:56.10 | oPeter | asg: let me see |
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| 14:56.23 | Charmy | abrotman: and i can't remove the eth0.. says it in use =/ |
| 14:56.26 | paulswm | xogon: yes, so one VG is the best use of your space. Then it's just a question of (your example) shrinking /home and growing /var |
| 14:56.29 | asg | oPeter: if not, it crashed. If so, see if vc3 or vc4 consoles show any odd errors. Also, see #debian-boot |
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| 14:56.41 | oPeter | asg: yes then he says 'please press enter to activate this console |
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| 14:57.06 | abrotman | Charmy: try shutting off the sound again |
| 14:57.18 | paulswm | xogon: I think that's covered in the LVM howto |
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| 14:57.31 | Charmy | abrotman: you mean remove the driver again? |
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| 14:57.44 | abrotman | Charmy: yes |
| 14:57.47 | Charmy | abrotman: and then reboot? |
| 14:58.04 | abrotman | sure |
| 14:58.07 | xogon | paulswm: i've been reading through it... |
| 14:58.15 | resiak | sanitarium: just /msg him with appropriate-sounding words. Or, try /msg dpkg listkeys nvidia , say. |
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| 14:58.43 | obstacle | where can i find the net-install disks with 2.6 kernel? i only find with 2.4. someone know? |
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| 14:59.02 | Charmy | paulswm: i'm keeping this in mind.. |
| 14:59.10 | xogon | paulswm: i wish it had a section which discussed in practical terms how allocating stuff out between VGs and whatnot effects ability to resize things |
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| 14:59.56 | azreal | !tell obstacle about d-i |
| 15:00.09 | oPeter | asg: and at alt 4 i see : main[menu]: DEBUG: configure harddrive-detection, status: 0 and DEBUG: virtual package harddrive-detection |
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| 15:00.12 | oPeter | (the last 2 lines) |
| 15:00.24 | paulswm | xogon: I believe that the howto recommends one VG per disk. I have more just because I have big disks and I move stuff around a lot |
| 15:00.27 | Arawn | hi for all - bonjour a tous ! |
| 15:00.51 | Charmy | abrotman: okay, after reboot its working again |
| 15:01.00 | Charmy | abrotman: looks like the cs4232 is indeed the culprit |
| 15:01.06 | paulswm | xogon: I have also tried multiple parts/VGs on one disk and decided that it was not worth the trouble |
| 15:01.17 | abrotman | Charmy: sound is overrated |
| 15:01.37 | Charmy | abrotman: uh.. i kinda neeed sound c.c |
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| 15:02.51 | Charmy | bah.. guess i'll tackle this fresh tommorow. i'm too tired to think anymore anyway. |
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| 15:02.59 | Charmy | thanks for your help abrotman. |
| 15:03.13 | sanitarium | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 15:03.20 | sanitarium | bash: /etc/apt/apt.conf: No such file or directory |
| 15:03.29 | paulswm | xogon: just remember that you resize a logical volume fs just like you would a regular fs (which of course it is) but you use the LVM to resize the underlying logical volume (like you would use a partition resizer for a non-LVM partition) |
| 15:03.33 | sanitarium | wait forget it |
| 15:03.38 | sanitarium | wrong pc |
| 15:03.40 | sanitarium | hehe |
| 15:04.13 | abrotman | Charmy: try the sound stuff again .. see if it has the same result |
| 15:04.14 | oPeter | asg: perhaps you know what's wrong? |
| 15:04.18 | paulswm | Charmy: Progress today, though, two days in a row :) |
| 15:04.28 | Charmy | abrotman: Why would doing it again help, abrotman? |
| 15:04.32 | Charmy | paulswm: heh.. |
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| 15:05.20 | paulswm | Charmy: please write it down though, I have had to struggle too many times becuase I didn't write down what I did in the first place |
| 15:05.24 | xogon | paulswm: oh really. that changes things |
| 15:05.29 | abrotman | Charmy: it's just an idea .. if you've got one of your own .. be my guest |
| 15:05.53 | Charmy | abrotman: Its a good idea. hm... the sound is instaled now.. network seems stable.... |
| 15:06.00 | Charmy | abrotman: Let me try playing that sound again |
| 15:06.07 | Charmy | paulswm: will do.. |
| 15:06.19 | xogon | paulswm: in that case it might not be worth it. what advantage to i gain having LVM on one disk (in a laptop)? none that i can see |
| 15:06.32 | paulswm | xogon: LVM provides you with a layer between disk and filesystem so you don't have to mess with partitions |
| 15:07.06 | sanbox | open up sources.list change sarge line to sid |
| 15:07.10 | xogon | paulswm: but one still has to mess with the partitions inside the LVs |
| 15:07.18 | sanbox | i only have testing in the file |
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| 15:07.54 | xogon | paulswm: i could see where it could be useful, for example in what you are doing. but for what i am doing, on a laptop, i don't think it makes sense |
| 15:07.59 | sanbox | can someone post in flood there sources.list? |
| 15:08.03 | Charmy | abrotman: sonofagun. seems to work now, mysteriously |
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| 15:08.15 | abrotman | Charmy: see .. i'm not as stupid as paulswm looks |
| 15:08.28 | Charmy | abrotman: come again? c.c |
| 15:08.35 | Charmy | abrotman: in any case... i just hope it stays this way ^_^; |
| 15:08.40 | paulswm | xogon: NO. Just resizing the filesystems and the underlying logical volumes. The space is all inside the VG. It's just easier and safer to mess with LVs than with physical partitions. You are right in the practical outcome, though. |
| 15:08.44 | obstacle | is the sarge release using 2.6 kernel by default? |
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| 15:09.04 | xogon | paulswm: so you still end up having to use parted to move partitions in the end. that's what i wanted to avoid. i thought LVM provided a better, safer way of resizing |
| 15:09.37 | paulswm | xogon: NO. |
| 15:10.07 | sanbox | sanbox sarge <d-i> |
| 15:10.07 | sanbox | dpkg are you smoking crack?, sanbox |
| 15:10.08 | dpkg | wish i knew, sanbox |
| 15:10.18 | xogon | paulswm: oh sorry. well, i will set this up and hack around with resizing |
| 15:10.21 | AlphaOmega | right now i use passwd for auth , whats a good auth scheme to switch to? is openldap the best for a small network? |
| 15:10.21 | sanbox | guess he likes me today |
| 15:10.23 | paulswm | xogon: LVs exist inside a VG, which is a group of one or more PVs. To resize the fs on an LV, you resixe the LV and the fs. |
| 15:10.29 | abrotman | sanbox: use apt-setup |
| 15:10.35 | abrotman | !tell sanbox about woody->sarge |
| 15:10.49 | paulswm | xogon: I know it's a bit much to get into the skull at first, I went though the same thing :) |
| 15:10.49 | xogon | paulswm: ah that's what i initially thought |
| 15:10.50 | ThePiratemaster | dpkg what's that thingey tweed ur legs?, master |
| 15:10.52 | dpkg | ThePiratemaster: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:11.02 | abrotman | !ur |
| 15:11.02 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 15:11.06 | Kerr | I installed debian on my housemate's pc afew days back. dual boot. One day he was possesed by evil and booted back into xp. now xp appears to have stolen the mbr ~.~ How can i get him back into debian ? |
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| 15:11.27 | sanbox | abrotman, only have testing sources in my sources.list somehow |
| 15:11.32 | abrotman | Kerr: sounds like your roommate did it on purpose |
| 15:11.38 | abrotman | sanbox: what's wrong witht hat? |
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| 15:11.47 | sanbox | where do i find sarge so i can had sid |
| 15:11.53 | sanbox | so i can add 3d? |
| 15:11.55 | ThePiratemaster | dpkg sorry |
| 15:11.55 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 15:11.59 | abrotman | sanbox: you don't need sid for 3d |
| 15:12.11 | sanbox | hrmm ok |
| 15:12.17 | ThePiratemaster | ...O_O |
| 15:12.20 | Kerr | abrotman: i dumped a few gig of files on his debian partition and want 'em back now i've a bigger hdd. vested interest in getting debian back up for him. |
| 15:12.32 | abrotman | Kerr: so use a rescue CD |
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| 15:12.36 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 15:12.38 | sanbox | was trying it earlier was telling me cant find nvidia-installer |
| 15:12.47 | abrotman | sanbox: oh .. ok . i guess |
| 15:13.04 | abrotman | sanbox: change the testing to unstable in your sources file |
| 15:13.19 | sanbox | abrotman, cool ok |
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| 15:13.36 | sanbox | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 15:13.50 | abrotman | yes .. chagne it to unstable |
| 15:14.00 | sanbox | thats one can i add non-free and non-contrib to it |
| 15:14.11 | Kerr | abrotman: will the rescue disk allow me to reinstall grub? |
| 15:14.11 | abrotman | yeah |
| 15:14.17 | abrotman | Kerr: it should |
| 15:14.25 | abrotman | Kerr: or ask #grub for a grub boot disk |
| 15:14.25 | sanbox | or should i run apt-setup first |
| 15:14.30 | abrotman | sanbox: no |
| 15:14.35 | obstacle | the net install cd found at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, does it contain 2.6 kernel or onky 2.4? |
| 15:14.37 | Kerr | abrotman: will it (oh please god no) autodtect xp again? |
| 15:14.40 | ThePiratemaster | i have an intel i387DX, wtf is it? |
| 15:14.43 | xogon | paulswm: so each LV will have one partition in it with one filesystem (e.g. /home). when i resize the LV then /home is resized? |
| 15:14.54 | abrotman | Kerr: the grub bootdisk only boots what you tell it |
| 15:14.55 | ThePiratemaster | yes, i387 |
| 15:15.00 | sanbox | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.00 | paulswm | xogon: no.... |
| 15:15.00 | sanbox | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 15:15.04 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: math coprocessor!! |
| 15:15.04 | Kerr | abrotman: score |
| 15:15.13 | ThePiratemaster | cool |
| 15:15.18 | sanbox | obstacle, sanbox uname -r |
| 15:15.18 | sanbox | sanbox 2.4.27-1-386 net install |
| 15:15.20 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: i really don't know |
| 15:15.23 | ThePiratemaster | frisbee or tennis? |
| 15:15.56 | ThePiratemaster | dpkg, what should i do? |
| 15:15.58 | dpkg | ThePiratemaster: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 15:16.00 | sanbox | is it contrib or non-contrib ... i cant remember |
| 15:16.05 | obstacle | sanbox; is there any install disks that have 2.6 on it? |
| 15:16.07 | Charmy | anyone know how to play mp3s on debian? |
| 15:16.32 | obstacle | Charmy; xamp, mpg123 |
| 15:16.33 | ThePiratemaster | dpkg, should i use my math coprocessor as a frisbee ir a tennisbal? |
| 15:16.35 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, ThePiratemaster |
| 15:16.44 | sanbox | obstacle, no idea probably on the dailys |
| 15:16.46 | ThePiratemaster | dpkg, do u play tennis? |
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| 15:17.04 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:17.04 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:17.28 | manchot | I want to use fvwm and have installed xserver-xfree for it. |
| 15:17.32 | manchot | but how do I start it? |
| 15:17.36 | paulswm | xogon: a VG is comprised of one or more PVs (a PV is a partition). A VG contains one or more LVs (an LV is the *****logical equivalent**** of a partiton). An LV has a filesystem made on it. To resize and lv, the fylesystem and the LV need to be resized. How a filesystem is resized depends on the filesystem , and an LV is resized using the LVM. |
| 15:17.42 | ThePiratemaster | dpkg, no, but my intel i387DX will |
| 15:17.42 | dpkg | no idea, ThePiratemaster |
| 15:18.04 | ThePiratemaster | me neither |
| 15:18.12 | ThePiratemaster | dpkg, do ye wanna get married? |
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| 15:18.49 | ThePiratemaster | dpkg, do u wanna mary my tennis playing Intel i387DX? |
| 15:18.57 | manchot | how to start fvwm using xdm or any other way? |
| 15:18.59 | xogon | paulswm: maybe its a terminology thing with the installer. i have the option of creating multiple LVs inside the VG (which is most of the space on the disk, except for / ) inside the LVs i have the option of creating multiple partitions |
| 15:19.01 | ThePiratemaster | ehmmm, |
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| 15:19.07 | ThePiratemaster | dpkg, do u wanna mary me? |
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| 15:19.18 | juhov | /msg |
| 15:19.19 | ThePiratemaster | thank god |
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| 15:19.38 | Kerr | hmm |
| 15:19.43 | diepes | dpkg: How old are you ? |
| 15:19.43 | dpkg | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 15:19.58 | Kerr | abrotman: could i just use my sarge disk1, and skip to the install grub in the mbr step? |
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| 15:20.11 | abrotman | Kerr: that will reinstall it |
| 15:20.14 | ThePiratemaster | dpkg, do u wanna mary my AMD K6 |
| 15:20.18 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:20.18 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:20.30 | Kerr | abrotman: grub, or debian? |
| 15:20.31 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: stop being annoying |
| 15:20.34 | abrotman | Kerr: debian |
| 15:20.45 | abrotman | Kerr: use a grub boot disk .. hvae it boot debian |
| 15:20.48 | ThePiratemaster | am i annoying you? sry |
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| 15:21.15 | ThePiratemaster | dpkg, im sorry |
| 15:21.15 | dpkg | no idea, ThePiratemaster |
| 15:21.27 | xogon | paulswm: at any rate, if i put an XFS filesystem into it, then really there is no way to shrink or grow it |
| 15:21.28 | ThePiratemaster | he's never sorry, he's BOT |
| 15:21.35 | ThePiratemaster | BYE ALL |
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| 15:21.42 | eka | hi all |
| 15:21.50 | eka | how to make my sarge play a DVD? |
| 15:22.32 | paulswm | xogon: if xfs can't be resized, then that's true however you set it up. There are better fses that xfs anyway, though, for instance ext3 for safety and reliability (although not speed) |
| 15:22.40 | valdyn | !dvd |
| 15:22.41 | dpkg | somebody said dvd was use xine or ogle to play video DVDs |
| 15:22.46 | xogon | paulswm: LVM LVs really just look and act like physical disks |
| 15:23.28 | valdyn | eka: /msg dpkg marillat for region encoded dvds that your dvd drive wont decode |
| 15:23.28 | xogon | paulswm: its been extremely reliable for me on many boxes for many years. never any data lost. ever. |
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| 15:23.35 | Lo_Meinix | !gatos |
| 15:23.35 | dpkg | from memory, gatos is tv tuner software for ati tv tuners in unix at http://www.core.binghamton.edu/~insomnia/gatos/, or or at http://linuxvideo.org/gatos/, or http://www.iivs.de/schwinde/buerger/tremmel/SUSE71toPBG3/ |
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| 15:23.37 | paulswm | xogon: an LV is a logical volume which is logically similar to a disk parrtition |
| 15:23.48 | Lo_Meinix | !ati |
| 15:23.48 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 15:24.51 | paulswm | xogon: whatever, I'm not proselytising on behalf of any fs type, whetever gives you what you need :) |
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| 15:26.42 | xogon | here's another question: if i symlink /usr/local/home to /home is there a way to get apps to always see it as /home? often they detect that its a symlink and show it as /usr/local/home even when i point them at /home |
| 15:26.52 | eka | !tell eka about dvd |
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| 15:27.20 | abrotman | xogon: why do you have /usr/local/home ? |
| 15:28.27 | paulswm | what abrotman said |
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| 15:28.43 | abrotman | this isn't Unixware :) |
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| 15:29.14 | sanbox | abrotman, does the nvidia one-liner work with 2.2.27 kernel? |
| 15:29.19 | xogon | abrotman: i want to have / and then one big other partition with all user data. if i need to reinstall i can wipe the / partition. i want to name the big partiton /usr/local of course i could name it /home and then symlink /home/usr_local to /usr/local same problem |
| 15:29.20 | abrotman | sanbox: no idea |
| 15:29.21 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
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| 15:29.22 | paulswm | /usr/local/home is a violation of FHS and modern Unix usage anyway |
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| 15:29.27 | sanbox | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.40 | Spyro_st | hola |
| 15:29.41 | abrotman | xogon: linux doesnb't use /usr/local/home |
| 15:29.46 | sanbox | thats what i got about i added unstable etc |
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| 15:30.04 | abrotman | sanbox: so upgrade to another kernel? |
| 15:30.05 | xogon | abrotman: /home would just be a link pointing to somewhere on the big partition. i could be any name |
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| 15:30.34 | abrotman | like .. 2.4.27-2 ? |
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| 15:30.34 | abrotman | xogon: linux doesnb't use /usr/local/home |
| 15:30.34 | xogon | abrotman: its just that i get tired of looking at the symlink names all the time |
| 15:30.34 | paulswm | xogon: /usr is meant not for that, if you are going to violate the FHS standars, you're probably making extra work for yourself. In any case, /var/local/home is a more logical violation of the FHS :) |
| 15:30.40 | sanbox | abrotman, easy way or do i can to compile one |
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| 15:31.34 | xogon | abrotman: well, i could have / /usr /var /usr/local /opt all separate partitions. but that would be a major PITA. so i would like to symlink |
| 15:31.40 | abrotman | xogon: so don't use a symlink .. use /home like god intended |
| 15:31.51 | abrotman | and you're using /opt? |
| 15:31.57 | abrotman | xogon: are you even using debian? |
| 15:31.59 | xogon | abrotman: as a separate partition? |
| 15:32.07 | abrotman | sanbox: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 15:32.16 | abrotman | xogon: yes .. you can have /home on another partition |
| 15:32.20 | xogon | abrotman: yeah. not much in there. realplayer and maybe something else. |
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| 15:33.18 | xogon | abrotman: well i also want /usr/local on one. i would like /home and /usr/local on the SAME one |
| 15:33.54 | abrotman | xogon: why? .. /usr/local/home is a bad idea |
| 15:34.05 | abrotman | and you haven't even given a good reason |
| 15:34.16 | abrotman | and i am having seriously doubts you're even running debisn |
| 15:34.20 | abrotman | debian |
| 15:34.25 | abrotman | stupid keyboard |
| 15:34.31 | xogon | abrotman: well, i could name the big partition 'bigpart' and then symlink /home to /bigpart/home ? |
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| 15:34.44 | abrotman | xogon: you're being stupid .. just make the partiion /home |
| 15:34.48 | abrotman | there is no reason to do anything else |
| 15:34.56 | valdyn | xogon: mount -bind /bigbpart/home /home |
| 15:35.14 | valdyn | xogon: --bind naturally |
| 15:35.22 | Rawplayer | ofcourse |
| 15:35.56 | xogon | abrotman: i don't think you understand the concept. the point is to have USER DATA on a separate partition from / |
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| 15:36.28 | xogon | abrotman: but not all my USER DATA is in /home. it lives in other places. much of it is in /usr/local. |
| 15:36.28 | abrotman | xogon: yes .. i know .. mount the partition as /home |
| 15:36.30 | valdyn | xogon: youre trying to put user data someone else than /home/ ? why? |
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| 15:36.40 | abrotman | xogon: well .. that's your fault for putting it somewhere stupid |
| 15:37.08 | caphuso | user data in /usr/local? that's a weird thing to do |
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| 15:37.27 | xogon | abrotman: i have custom compiled apps, downloaded source, a whole bunch of shit in /usr/local. i dont want it on the same partition as / for very good reasons. |
| 15:37.37 | abrotman | that's not user data |
| 15:37.43 | abrotman | those are applications |
| 15:37.48 | xogon | abrotman: if you don't understand that then,... |
| 15:37.56 | abrotman | xogon: i understand you apparently fucked up |
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| 15:38.18 | abrotman | xogon: it's ok .. it happens :) |
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| 15:39.33 | xogon | abrotman: applications. yes applications. |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | xogon: that's not user data |
| 15:39.52 | xogon | abrotman: okay |
| 15:40.11 | xk | How hard is it to have /home and /usr/local like I have? |
| 15:40.13 | abrotman | xogon: you can put /home on a large partition .. and also make a dir called .. boobie .. and link /usr/local to it maybe |
| 15:40.14 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.16 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.20 | valdyn | xogon: you can treat "applications" as user data, but then fucking put them into /home/ |
| 15:40.21 | abrotman | xk: too hard!! |
| 15:40.28 | paulswm | xogon: you're violating normal Unix standards. If you want to do that, it's your system, but it makes administering systems harder and potentially less secure. You may want to read the FHS and replan, or not, whatever. |
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| 15:40.39 | abrotman | xk: i was under the impression he had user data in /home and /usr/local/home |
| 15:41.53 | xogon | xk: no shit. i ask that too. but i would prefer not having separate partions due to space limitations. |
| 15:41.59 | xk | personally, I have /, /var, /home and /usr/local. each has its purpose. |
| 15:42.37 | xk | xogon: so what's the problem with symlinks? |
| 15:42.45 | abrotman | he wants two mount points to point to the same device apparently |
| 15:42.58 | xogon | abrotman: that would be nice |
| 15:43.04 | xk | use mount --bind |
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| 15:43.15 | abrotman | he was told that a long time ago |
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| 15:43.18 | paulswm | xogon: then fucking use LVM then |
| 15:43.23 | xk | well.. I'm repeating it. |
| 15:43.59 | abrotman | i'm still skeptical he's even using debian :) |
| 15:44.08 | xogon | ah i think mount --bind will work |
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| 15:44.16 | abrotman | wow .. fucking 10 minutes later |
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| 15:44.33 | Charmy | Anyone know if mozilla-firefox is installable on woody? and if so, how? |
| 15:44.34 | xogon | just create /bigdrive and then mount --bind /bigpart/home /home |
| 15:44.37 | xk | good old profanity. |
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| 15:44.47 | abrotman | xogon: user data should never reside outside of /home (except mail i guess) |
| 15:44.53 | abrotman | and that's only the mail spool |
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| 15:45.05 | xogon | abrotman: no reason to freak out about it. calm down man. |
| 15:45.05 | Anders1 | anyone in here who have experience with bootsplash+2.6.10 (vanilla)? i get "RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0." "VFS: Cannot open root device "1602" or unknown-block(22,2)" "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(22,2)" |
| 15:45.07 | abrotman | xogon: custom compiled apps do normally go in /usr/local |
| 15:45.33 | abrotman | xogon: you were seeming to have trouble telling us what the problem was .. and what you wanted ... guessing sucks |
| 15:45.33 | xk | I usually dump proprietary stuff to /usr/local aswell. |
| 15:45.41 | sanbox | abrotman, ty man you rock .. im on 2.6.10 now .. sweet |
| 15:45.45 | abrotman | i believe sun uses /opt |
| 15:45.53 | xogon | abrotman: i admit user data was a bad term. i was trying to refer to all non OS-managed data. |
| 15:46.00 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.13 | abrotman | xogon: what are you compiling that debian doesn't have? |
| 15:46.15 | xk | has anyone used 2.6.x kernel on an SMP desktop system? |
| 15:46.26 | xogon | abrotman: that's a totally different issue... |
| 15:46.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:46.34 | m0rbid | hey guys.. |
| 15:46.40 | abrotman | xogon: which issue? |
| 15:46.47 | m0rbid | Anyone know the status of the squashing party? |
| 15:46.54 | abrotman | m0rbid: #debian-bugs |
| 15:47.01 | m0rbid | abrotman: cool thx |
| 15:47.05 | xogon | abrotman: the philosophy of when to use/not use package management |
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| 15:47.16 | sanbox | abrotman, do i still have to edit xorg.conf to say nvidia after using nvidia one-liner |
| 15:47.35 | abrotman | xogon: well .. it's a bit more than that .. the question woudl be "what have you compiled .. and why?" |
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| 15:48.15 | xogon | abrotman: i agree. but i still reserve the right to have /usr/local around the way it was intended by the FHS |
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| 15:48.23 | abrotman | xogon: sure ... |
| 15:48.43 | abrotman | xogon: but if you're spending time compiling mysql because you want a 0.6% speed increase .. that's a bad reason |
| 15:49.21 | xogon | abrotman: and one thing i will do is move htdocs root to /usr/local and bind zone files there |
| 15:49.36 | m0rbid | you know, oddly enuff, MySQL got fixed when I removed uDev. |
| 15:49.41 | abrotman | xogon: you don't have to recompile apache for that ... maybe bind |
| 15:49.44 | xogon | abrotman: this was if need be i can wipe / and reinstall fresh and just resymlink |
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| 15:49.47 | abrotman | i can't remember about bind9 |
| 15:49.55 | xogon | abrotman: no i wouldn't recompile apache. |
| 15:50.17 | deb_starter | guys, how do I install X on debian? |
| 15:50.21 | xogon | abrotman: no need for bind either. specify zone file location in named.conf... |
| 15:50.28 | abrotman | see |
| 15:50.35 | abrotman | !tell deb_starter about set up x |
| 15:50.35 | deb_starter | apt-get install xerver-common? |
| 15:50.47 | paulswm | xogon: I think someone was actually trying that the other day (recompiling apache), heh |
| 15:51.27 | xogon | abrotman: debian puts a lot of stuff by default into /var : var/cache/bin var/svn /var/cvs |
| 15:51.37 | abrotman | xogon: yes it does |
| 15:51.46 | xogon | abrotman: i mean user configurable stuff. |
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| 15:51.51 | deb_starter | abrotman: the package is in the first cd riight? |
| 15:51.53 | abrotman | xogon: so why don't you have a seperate /var partition |
| 15:51.56 | deb_starter | (i'm not doing net install) |
| 15:51.57 | abrotman | deb_starter: dunno |
| 15:52.03 | xogon | abrotman: i wish it didn't go there although there could be some reason why it is |
| 15:52.11 | abrotman | xogon: the user cannot configure that .. you do |
| 15:52.17 | Daffy-PKF | does someone had problems mounting cd-roms with kernel 2.6.8? or is it a problem with my drives? |
| 15:52.17 | abrotman | xogon: mysql puts data there .... |
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| 15:52.30 | abrotman | xogon: which can also be changed |
| 15:52.36 | xogon | abrotman: that's a good question. well, most of the stuff in /var i DONT want saved if i have to reinstall. most of it in fact. i do want it to be wiped. |
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| 15:52.50 | xogon | abrotman: ah mysql. that's another one... |
| 15:53.01 | abrotman | xogon: this is why people have backups :) |
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| 15:53.32 | Ravehard | hallo |
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| 15:53.50 | xogon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.22 | sanbox | any ideas why nvidia one-liner stops here ....Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.6.10-1-k7 (1.0.6629+1-1+2.6.10-4) |
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| 15:54.35 | xogon | one big reason being security. if ever there was a serious compromise, well just reinstall the system |
| 15:54.36 | tarzeau | dpkg seen intero |
| 15:54.37 | sanbox | and returns to prompt .. is it done? |
| 15:54.37 | dpkg | intero <~desktop@81-208-106-71.fastres.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 19h 16m 1s ago, saying: 'Defenestrator: thanks'. |
| 15:54.39 | Ravehard | someone know where I can find more specific information about an network device. "ifconfig" is not enough .. need information about the max bandwith as. |
| 15:54.48 | abrotman | xogon: so you sohuld have seperate partitions for like .. / /usr /home /var |
| 15:54.54 | abrotman | err .. /usr/local |
| 15:55.04 | abrotman | so if / dies . everything remains |
| 15:55.17 | asg | Ravehard: mii-tool and mii-diag will show duplex settings on some compatible nics. |
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| 15:55.23 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 15:55.32 | asg | abrotman: just grabbed one, thanks ;) |
| 15:55.34 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:55.40 | Ravehard | asg: dsl - ppp0 too ? |
| 15:55.42 | xogon | abrotman: as i said earlier, one big partiton, say /bigpart. then mount --bind /bigpart/home /home mount --bind /bigpart/usrlocal /usr/local etc. |
| 15:55.58 | xk | looks like my bot still cranks :) |
| 15:56.01 | asg | Ravehard: that I don't know |
| 15:56.04 | asg | xk: of course |
| 15:56.07 | Ravehard | asg: ok thx |
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| 15:56.29 | abrotman | xogon: you do it however you want .. i still think it's wrong ... |
| 15:56.31 | xogon | abrotman: yes i could have several. but on this machine space is limited and it gets wasted with multiple partitions |
| 15:56.46 | abrotman | xogon: so use LVM .. your life would be so much better |
| 15:57.25 | tazle | hmm |
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| 15:57.28 | xogon | abrotman: on a laptop with just one disk? |
| 15:57.37 | tazle | apparently my connect() problem is being caused by debian userspace |
| 15:57.41 | abrotman | xogon: why not |
| 15:57.49 | Ravehard | bye |
| 15:57.55 | FieldySnuts | in bash, when I try to do autocompletion (that's ctl-R, then start typing a previous command, it'll complete if found in ~/.bash_history), it works fine outside of screen. inside screen, sometimes, but not always, I try and it fails to find an item. grepping bash_history myself shows it's there, anyone know what I'm missing here? |
| 15:57.55 | FieldySnuts | <drigz> edeca: already tried the first commands, will try the others |
| 15:58.08 | FieldySnuts | damn fudged paste |
| 15:58.43 | xogon | abrotman: because the partitions inside the LVs are no different than partitions on the hard disk itself. there's nothing magical about having them in LVS. i still can't resize (xfs) them. |
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| 15:59.14 | paulswm | abrotman: we've already been through the LVM thing |
| 15:59.17 | abrotman | xogon: you're being very confusing ... |
| 15:59.19 | resiak | xogon: Well then, have ONE BIG PARTITION! |
| 15:59.30 | xogon | hehe |
| 15:59.30 | abrotman | xogon: basically .. if your disk dies .. you're fucked .. i don't see why it matters |
| 15:59.30 | paulswm | resiak: we've been through that too |
| 15:59.33 | resiak | paulswm: Oh. |
| 15:59.48 | asg | paulswm: anything we haven't been through? |
| 16:00.09 | xogon | well thanks for the info... |
| 16:00.11 | resiak | Bah. |
| 16:00.19 | paulswm | asg: I only said one bad word, so there's a bunch of cussing still to do :) |
| 16:00.20 | abrotman | what's a hench ? |
| 16:00.41 | asg | paulswm: ah, the day is still early |
| 16:00.47 | resiak | abrotman: Bouncers are generally hench. |
| 16:00.50 | asg | abrotman: maybe a wrench? |
| 16:00.52 | asg | !wrench |
| 16:00.53 | dpkg | * HaQDaQ wants to use apt-get agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain greycat> HaQDaQ: then do so. HaQDaQ> it doesn't work anymore... dependency erros : greycat> HaQDaQ: fix them. HaQDaQ> greycat: how ? greycat> HaQDaQ: with an apt wrench. Are you going to ask any more stupid questions? * HaQDaQ is linux n00b, and how to apt wrench ? HaQDaQ> greycat: how to apt wrench ? |
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| 16:00.57 | paulswm | !wench |
| 16:01.01 | paulswm | crap |
| 16:01.29 | paulswm | I'd go with a wench partition, as long as it's resizeable |
| 16:01.38 | asg | paulswm: and not too expensive |
| 16:01.41 | Mindlight | Hi yall... anyone knows how to change from xserver "ati" to " radeon" (Yup, just installed my Laptop with Ati Radeon M6 chip... works fine except in 1024x768 :( |
| 16:01.53 | xogon | resiak: well, the reason to have the separate partition is so that the system can be reinstalled easily without touching the other |
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| 16:02.04 | resiak | xogon: So... what's the problem? |
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| 16:02.08 | asg | Mindlight: /msg dpkg ati |
| 16:02.11 | xogon | resiak: none now. |
| 16:02.35 | paulswm | asg: unfortunately, I think 'expensive' is part of the wench partition specification |
| 16:02.46 | abrotman | xogon: use lvm |
| 16:02.53 | asg | paulswm: you might be right there. |
| 16:02.56 | abrotman | is lvm unable to resize xfs? |
| 16:03.17 | bwlang | xfs can only resize up... not down |
| 16:03.28 | abrotman | well .. which idiot made the laptop xfs ? |
| 16:03.30 | abrotman | :) |
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| 16:03.52 | bwlang | abrotman: xfs is stable, and great for large files. my laptop run xfs |
| 16:04.08 | abrotman | bwlang: i like xfs .. but i didn't know you couldn't resize down |
| 16:04.12 | paulswm | abrotman: a filesystem isn't resized by LVM, only the LV |
| 16:04.19 | xogon | abrotman: my understanding is that lvm only resizes the virtual disk. its like magically making a hard drive bigger. but you'd still have to use parted or extgrow or whatever to resize the partition inside the Logical Volume. and with XFS there's no way to do it. |
| 16:04.28 | abrotman | paulswm: damn you .. don't make me take away your depends :) |
| 16:04.35 | FieldySnuts | you're nuts. xfs was designed for data centers, with good power backup. xfs responds horridly to power loss, running it on a laptop is suicide. |
| 16:04.51 | bwlang | xogon: false... xfs can resize - xfs_growfs i think. you just can't shrink an xfs partition |
| 16:04.52 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: laptop batteries are good for that :) |
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| 16:05.15 | xogon | abrotman: i was under the misconception that filesystems could be resizes with LVM. no. LVM just makes the virtual volumes they reside on bigger/smaller, not the partitions in them |
| 16:05.19 | bwlang | FieldySnuts: false: it responds very well to power loss on my laptop... |
| 16:05.31 | paulswm | xogon: No offense intended, but you really need to re-read the LVM how to, you have not got the concept, read back to wher I described the realitionships between PV, VG and LV |
| 16:05.35 | Bwl | If I want to dump the last 5 blocks in a partition that ends at sector 6634844, how do I convert a sector to block? |
| 16:05.37 | xogon | bwlang: actually you are correct but its also way dangerous |
| 16:05.40 | abrotman | xogon: regardless .. if you're that concerned .. you sohuld have chosen a FS that allowed resizing |
| 16:05.49 | ThePiratemaster | !something |
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| 16:05.49 | dpkg | i heard something is everything,nothing, or part of something else, or everything, or nothing, or part of something else |
| 16:06.13 | bwlang | xogon: it's not dangerous... xfs was designed from the beginning to be able to grow... it just works -every time i've done this probably 100 times |
| 16:06.25 | abrotman | bwlang: he meant the power loss i think |
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| 16:06.27 | ThePiratemaster | !1337 |
| 16:06.27 | dpkg | it has been said that 1337 is lamer talk for cool,, or shitkitty talk, or http://www.googlism.com/where_is/1/1337/ |
| 16:06.35 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: i thought you were done being annoying ? |
| 16:06.41 | paulswm | <caps>THERE ARE NO PARTIONS INSIDE LOGICAL VOLUMES</caps> |
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| 16:06.51 | paulswm | crap partitions |
| 16:06.52 | ThePiratemaster | oh sry |
| 16:06.53 | xogon | xfs has behaved beautifully for me on laptops for a long time |
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| 16:06.59 | abrotman | i could see the caps just fine .. no need for tags :) |
| 16:07.01 | ThePiratemaster | just checking out the bot |
| 16:07.11 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: use #debian-bots |
| 16:07.12 | asg | ThePiratemaster: #debian-bots |
| 16:07.27 | vladster | was is the dev point for a scsi zip disk |
| 16:07.32 | paulswm | !stupid bot tricks |
| 16:07.32 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 16:07.48 | hyksos | how can i get the name of the printer i have, when i want to print with lpr -P ? is there a lp info command? |
| 16:07.49 | micha__ | /dev/sda? |
| 16:07.55 | quittt | do you CMEDIA 8338??? does it have MIDI supportt? |
| 16:08.00 | Bwl | So there's no way to convert a sector number to a block number? |
| 16:08.01 | abrotman | vladster: dmesg will know |
| 16:08.09 | asg | hyksos: lpstat |
| 16:08.10 | vladster | tnx |
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| 16:08.36 | quittt | do you know CMEDIA 8338??? does it have MIDI supportt? |
| 16:08.38 | asg | quittt: why don't you google |
| 16:08.43 | asg | quittt: and stop repeating |
| 16:08.55 | mwilson | That would require him to do something for himself. |
| 16:08.58 | hyksos | asg:i dont have lpstat? |
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| 16:09.07 | abrotman | my debian accidentally installed suse!!! |
| 16:09.27 | asg | hyksos: what printing subsystem are you using? |
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| 16:09.35 | hyksos | cups |
| 16:09.38 | paulswm | !beer abrotman |
| 16:09.43 | abrotman | yay ... |
| 16:09.55 | asg | hyksos: then install cupsys-client (or cupsys-bsd if you have the former) |
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| 16:10.09 | asg | hyksos: the name is also the one you defined in cups anyway (http://localhost:631) |
| 16:10.09 | mwilson | asg: It's part of cupsys-client. |
| 16:10.19 | hyksos | what cupsys-client? |
| 16:10.19 | asg | mwilson: thanks, I can never remember |
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| 16:10.36 | asg | hyksos: apt-cache show cupsys-client |
| 16:10.46 | mwilson | asg: A better question would be why does he not remember what it is, since he named it when he installed it, or better still, why does he think he needs to know it at all? |
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| 16:11.43 | asg | mwilson: agreed. I wonder if he even configured a printer at all. |
| 16:11.45 | tfh | Hello all, I'am looking for mldonkey woody backports, but couldn't find any on backports.org nor apt-get.org ... anyone knows a repository that has one ? |
| 16:11.53 | ThePiratemaster | 17:11:28] <ThePiratemaster> !dick |
| 16:11.53 | ThePiratemaster | [17:11:29] <dpkg> I give up, what is it?, ThePiratemaster |
| 16:12.01 | ThePiratemaster | and still being paid by the hour |
| 16:12.03 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: don't flood in here either |
| 16:12.06 | asg | tfh: /msg dpkg backports (make your own) |
| 16:12.10 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: and stop being annoying |
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| 16:12.24 | ThePiratemaster | yea okay |
| 16:12.40 | ThePiratemaster | just waiting for someone to fix the network |
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| 16:12.58 | mwilson | Do any thieves other than the clueless ones still use mldonkey? I thought all the good thieves were using bittorrent. |
| 16:13.08 | tfh | asg ok : actually i already have my own deb packages ( j2sdk, amarok and others) but i don't have time to maintain them |
| 16:13.22 | tfh | mwilson, well i sue mldonkey fpr bittorent |
| 16:13.24 | ThePiratemaster | no we're using 0-day networks |
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| 16:13.34 | FieldySnuts | warez kids, go to dalnet |
| 16:13.52 | prad | guys, how can I find out what window manager I am currently running ? |
| 16:13.54 | tfh | i use bittorrent to dwd linux iso's lol |
| 16:14.08 | asg | prad: which one did you start? |
| 16:14.12 | mwilson | tfh: Of course you do. |
| 16:14.16 | tfh | and anime fansub's |
| 16:14.24 | Bwl | SCO says that linux is a theft |
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| 16:14.29 | FieldySnuts | @troll bwl |
| 16:14.51 | ThePiratemaster | i think sco should be banned from existence |
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| 16:14.57 | prad | asg : KDE, but I was reading on the difference between window manager and desktop managers. They had KDE listed under desktop manager. This has now got me confused. |
| 16:14.58 | asg | Bwl: and if they provide any proof, they might have a cas. |
| 16:15.05 | FieldySnuts | please, the SCO issue has been beaten to death. take it to another channel, please |
| 16:15.21 | hyksos | when i use lpr -P printername t.txt it returned: unknown printer, but i know that the printer is so called, lpstat -v also shows this name, what can i do, to print with lpr? printing from cups works? but not from mozilla, so i want to change the lpr command, but dont know how? |
| 16:15.23 | asg | prad: kde uses its own window manager (kwm or somesuch) so that's what you are running most likely. |
| 16:15.28 | asg | s/cas/case./ |
| 16:15.32 | ThePiratemaster | x is a window manager, kde a desktop manager |
| 16:15.37 | Bwl | just help me convert a disc sector number to a block number and I won't mention SCO again. ;) |
| 16:15.39 | tfh | mwilson, anyway what i intend to do with mldonkey doesn't concern you does it ? |
| 16:15.43 | asg | ThePiratemaster: no, X in not a window manager |
| 16:15.44 | FieldySnuts | X is not a window manater. |
| 16:15.46 | prad | ahhh right... |
| 16:15.47 | ThePiratemaster | i got something mixed up then |
| 16:15.47 | mwilson | ThePiratemaster: Wrong. |
| 16:15.50 | FieldySnuts | s/at/ag/ |
| 16:15.53 | tfh | so no mldonkey woody backport i'll do one then |
| 16:15.55 | caphuso | ThePiratemaster: window system, not window manager |
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| 16:16.12 | ThePiratemaster | that's it |
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| 16:16.28 | prad | So theres a Window System, Window Manager, Desktop Manager ? |
| 16:16.31 | oPeter | Can someone help me. When i start Sarge installation, at a point i come to 'starting up the partitioner', but he doesn't go further then 38%, what can i do? |
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| 16:16.55 | asg | oPeter: did you ask in #debian-boot? |
| 16:17.11 | oPeter | asg: no i asked in here ... more then an houre agoo |
| 16:17.22 | oPeter | ha i have to go to that channel you mean? |
| 16:17.32 | micha__ | oPeter: the partitioner freezed for me too |
| 16:17.55 | micha__ | oPeter: i used knoppix to partition the harddisk and continued with the installer afterwards |
| 16:18.21 | oPeter | knoppix live cd? |
| 16:18.26 | vladster | would this be a valid arg=>> /dev/ssci0 |
| 16:18.33 | vladster | scsi |
| 16:18.39 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: test |
| 16:18.39 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you using Windows? |
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| 16:18.51 | tfh | asg, thanks i'll try the easy way that dpkg tells me about |
| 16:18.56 | FieldySnuts | cute. somebody made ravenbird forget troll. |
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| 16:19.44 | abrotman | @factinfo cmd: troll (.*?) |
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| 16:20.09 | paulswm | prad: you forgot Display Manager |
| 16:20.11 | abrotman | @literal cmd: troll (.*?) |
| 16:20.25 | FieldySnuts | gone |
| 16:20.31 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: troll test |
| 16:20.32 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 16:20.44 | abrotman | @listkeys troll |
| 16:20.47 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'troll' by key returned no results. |
| 16:20.50 | abrotman | lovely |
| 16:20.51 | prad | and a display manager... damn... I've got some reading to do :/ |
| 16:20.55 | FieldySnuts | heh was there yesterday, shrug |
| 16:20.56 | micha__ | oPeter: yes, or any other system to partitionate the hd |
| 16:21.08 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: but wouldn't it say #DEL# if it had been deleted? |
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| 16:21.18 | FieldySnuts | don't think so |
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| 16:21.52 | oPeter | micha__: ok then i'm going to try pqmagic, just create the partitions as i want to use them? |
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| 16:22.01 | oPeter | and format them |
| 16:23.55 | micha__ | oPeter: that is what I did |
| 16:24.17 | oPeter | ok, tnx micha__, i'm going to try that then |
| 16:24.29 | micha__ | oPeter: I still had to assign them mount points in the sarge installer but that worked |
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| 16:25.44 | oPeter | nice, let's hope it works here to ;-) |
| 16:26.03 | micha__ | oPeter: good luck :-) |
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| 16:26.06 | ThePiratemaster | any got any idea what a vimda card is? |
| 16:26.07 | oPeter | ty |
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| 16:26.31 | drac | ThePiratemaster: google does. |
| 16:26.35 | ThePiratemaster | nope |
| 16:26.40 | ThePiratemaster | doesnt |
| 16:26.46 | abrotman | then it doesn't exist |
| 16:27.00 | ThePiratemaster | im holding one |
| 16:27.08 | abrotman | then ask google |
| 16:27.10 | micha__ | lol: test for existence: google |
| 16:27.17 | bluefoxicy | . . . since when does debian have this big a following? |
| 16:27.32 | asg | bluefoxicy: since the mid 90's |
| 16:27.32 | bluefoxicy | I thought >200 IRC users and the associated lagging of your irc client was reserved for gentoo |
| 16:27.33 | mxn | Hi. I'm trying to use cups to print to a Windows samba-shared printer, but I'm getting the classic NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED error. Any ideas? |
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| 16:28.09 | ThePiratemaster | sry, i got it |
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| 16:28.29 | elzzup | Wow |
| 16:28.33 | abrotman | bluefoxicy: since debian works and is good? |
| 16:28.51 | elzzup | hello all |
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| 16:29.33 | micha__ | mxn: I think you forgot to use smbpasswd to add the samba users |
| 16:30.45 | elzzup | anyone runs kismet well ? |
| 16:30.53 | mxn | micha__: I think I explained badly. Windows machine on LAN has printer connected, uses "Microsoft File and Printer Sharing" (whatever) to share it. Debian machine on LAN uses samba to *access* these Windows shares. Username/password not required to *connect* to printer, but ACCESS_DENIED to do anything *with* it. :-) |
| 16:30.58 | asg | elzzup: on my Zaurus |
| 16:31.07 | quittt | damn |
| 16:31.14 | quittt | how do I configure my card? |
| 16:31.25 | ThePiratemaster | what card? |
| 16:31.28 | asg | quittt: what card? Jack of diamonds? |
| 16:31.28 | elzzup | mm,. im a newbee ,. just telling that |
| 16:31.44 | elzzup | i use the orinoco ASG . |
| 16:31.46 | micha__ | mxn: i use smbclient to check everything samba related |
| 16:31.52 | ThePiratemaster | your sql-card? |
| 16:31.58 | micha__ | mxn: try smbclient -L windowsmachine -U user |
| 16:32.01 | quittt | asg, cmpci |
| 16:32.04 | elzzup | everything works out fine ,. exept the monitor Issue |
| 16:32.13 | micha__ | mxn: next try: smbclient //windowsmachine/printername -U user |
| 16:32.19 | ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 16:32.26 | ThePiratemaster | www.tldp.org |
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| 16:32.49 | asg | elzzup: did you check 'kismetwireless.net' for compatibility? |
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| 16:33.26 | elzzup | yes i did ,. i patched the dirver ,. for orinoco ,. hermes I chipset ,. working with Snatch ,,. |
| 16:33.33 | mxn | micha__: I've tried it, but the machine just (conveniently) fell off the network. BRB. |
| 16:33.39 | elzzup | Still no monitor option |
| 16:33.46 | asg | elzzup: have you consulted #kismet? |
| 16:34.00 | quittt | asg, I want MIDI but alsaconf doesnt configure that! |
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| 16:34.11 | quittt | and I want to mix sounds!! |
| 16:34.22 | asg | quittt: have you asked #alsa |
| 16:34.26 | elzzup | uhm ,. i loose ,. u ./ Consulted? what the F,. is that |
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| 16:34.54 | asg | elzzup: did you ask the people in #kismet? They probably know more about that issue. |
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| 16:35.27 | elzzup | im gonne look for the irc chat of Ki$met |
| 16:35.29 | asg | 3rd floor, #ladies-lingerie, #igrills |
| 16:35.41 | elzzup | but thanks anyway ,,. :) |
| 16:37.29 | elzzup | cool FreeNode !!! |
| 16:38.05 | drac | !win elzzup |
| 16:38.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, elzzup! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 16:44.07 | Smurg | How do I change the /usr to another partition? I ran out of space on my current partition |
| 16:44.48 | asg | Smurg: do you have a bunch of stuff in /usr/local? or /usr/src? |
| 16:44.51 | abrotman | Smurg: i'd like you to meet xogon |
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| 16:45.14 | asg | Smurg: if so, moving / cleaning those would be much better. |
| 16:45.23 | xogon | hi there |
| 16:45.28 | Smurg | xogon :Hi |
| 16:45.33 | prog | Smurg: move all data to another location and make symbolic link to /usr |
| 16:45.47 | Smurg | prog : How do i do that |
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| 16:46.09 | Smurg | xogon : Im trying to move my /usr to another partition |
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| 16:46.22 | mwilson | Smurg: Why? |
| 16:46.27 | prog | Smurg, just mv /usr /somewhere/usr ; ln -s /somwhere/usr /usr |
| 16:46.53 | Smurg | prog : ln ? that creates a link is it |
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| 16:47.01 | Smurg | mwilson : Outta space |
| 16:47.02 | prog | Smurg, yes |
| 16:47.02 | BlSabbath | hi |
| 16:47.16 | BlSabbath | how can i clean my temporary files? |
| 16:47.27 | mwilson | Smurg: In /usr? Don't be absurd. |
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| 16:47.51 | BlSabbath | abrotman |
| 16:47.55 | sgeigerbot | Despite various other ways to mount filesystems within chroot jails, is nfs still the most popular way to do this? Are there some good alternatives? does sfs seem good for this purpose? |
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| 16:48.13 | abrotman | what? |
| 16:48.23 | Smurg | mwilson : I fail to understand your point |
| 16:48.41 | FieldySnuts | nothing should be mounting filesystems within a chroot |
| 16:48.44 | BlSabbath | how can i delete temp files without catastrophic conequences? |
| 16:48.53 | FieldySnuts | if they're temp, why would it matter? |
| 16:48.55 | caphuso | mount /dev/newusr /mnt; cd /mnt; ( cd /usr; tar cf - ) | tar xf -; umount /usr; mount /newusr /usr; fix /etc/fstab |
| 16:49.01 | mwilson | Smurg: What are you doing that you think /usr is full? |
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| 16:49.13 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: not even home directories? |
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| 16:49.20 | kromagg | most likely installing software |
| 16:49.25 | Smurg | mwilson : Ive used up 900 MB of the 1 Gig partition |
| 16:49.44 | BlSabbath | abrotman, do you know it? |
| 16:49.54 | abrotman | BlSabbath: i don't know what tmp files you mean |
| 16:49.57 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: well, perhaps the mounting is done outside? The effect is that the directories are made available within the chroot. |
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| 16:50.34 | mwilson | Smurg: So back up and this time partition more correctly. Why did you make /usr its own partition? |
| 16:50.35 | BlSabbath | abrotman: file:/var/temp file:/tmp |
| 16:50.43 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: source: http://blog.madscience.nl/article.php?story=2004091811130283 "To get some value out of grsec, I next created a chrooted distribution using CentOS3 binary RPMs. I fixed the system startup scripts to start an sshd instance within that chroot binding to the server's external interface. The regular system sshd operating outside the root was bound to the internal interface. Home directories and the works are mo |
| 16:50.43 | sgeigerbot | unted within the chroot using NFS to localhost." |
| 16:50.49 | Smurg | mwilson : I read a guide somewhere which asked me to |
| 16:51.05 | abrotman | BlSabbath: shouldn't be much in them |
| 16:51.23 | BlSabbath | what? |
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| 16:51.32 | paulswm | BlSabbath: use fuser to deterine what filea are in use in /tmp, for instance 'fuser -mu /tmp' and remove the ones which you are sure are not in use |
| 16:51.36 | Smurg | abrotman : Well is it possible to move the /usr dir and then use ln -s ? (No consequences?) |
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| 16:52.08 | kromagg | FieldySnuts: use xpdf |
| 16:52.11 | mwilson | Smurg: Where is it that you think you're going to move it to? |
| 16:52.14 | BlSabbath | abrotman, thanks |
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| 16:52.45 | Smurg | mwilson : To my root partition of course.... /dev/hda12/usr instead of /dev/hda11/usr |
| 16:53.08 | FieldySnuts | what a peice of shit. i resize the window, so it automatically tries to do best fit every single little iteration of resizing the window, effectively killing itself. going to xpdf. |
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| 16:53.21 | paulswm | BlSabbath: correction, 'fuser -mu /tmp/*' and so on, or use the output of find with fuser to check each individual file |
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| 16:53.32 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: that's a common problem with stupid gtk apps |
| 16:53.47 | FieldySnuts | or gnome apps |
| 16:53.59 | FieldySnuts | $ xpdf http://www.olympusamerica.com/e1/zuiko_roadmap_eng.pdf |
| 16:53.59 | FieldySnuts | Error: Couldn't open file 'http://www.olympusamerica.com/e1/zuiko_roadmap_eng.pdf' |
| 16:54.00 | caphuso | that crap really doesn't like to get handled by the window manager |
| 16:54.01 | FieldySnuts | *sigh* |
| 16:54.08 | Smurg | prog : Can i use ln-s and try? |
| 16:54.21 | prog | Smurg, ln -s |
| 16:54.30 | mwilson | You made the ROOT some fantastic size? |
| 16:54.33 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: comments? |
| 16:54.47 | Smurg | mwilson : 10 gigs, a mistake while partitioning.. |
| 16:55.20 | paulswm | this is when LVM is a blessing |
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| 16:56.55 | kromagg | my root's pretty big too |
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| 16:57.18 | kromagg | considering /usr is not its own partition |
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| 16:59.07 | xogon | is there a tool which keeps track of dependent packages that get installed with a package, for the purpose of being able to remove them later when the package is deinstalled? |
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| 16:59.37 | valdyn | xogon: debfoster |
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| 16:59.41 | oPeter | :'( |
| 16:59.46 | zulu | is it possible to have 2 keyboards in X?? |
| 16:59.49 | Albacker | Nov 18 00:27:32 green-beret pppd[622]: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
| 16:59.49 | Albacker | Nov 18 00:27:32 green-beret pppd[622]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 16:59.49 | Albacker | Nov 18 00:27:32 green-beret pppd[622]: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.) |
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| 17:00.00 | xogon | valdyn: that was it. thanks |
| 17:00.00 | Albacker | can anyone help me ? ^ |
| 17:00.23 | valdyn | Albacker: youre trying to dial into your isp? |
| 17:00.30 | oPeter | and now my sarge installer freezes on detecting SCSI drives (module smod) |
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| 17:00.46 | valdyn | !noauth |
| 17:00.49 | Albacker | yes, i'm trying to connect using kpp : valdyn |
| 17:00.59 | Albacker | ?? |
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| 17:01.14 | valdyn | Albacker: dont know kpp, but you need the options "noauth" |
| 17:01.30 | Albacker | so what should I do ? |
| 17:01.32 | else | why is my ipod only recognized after a restart? |
| 17:03.04 | valdyn | Albacker: i dont know kpp so i cant help you with that tool. "noauth" needs to be on your provider config, which is in /etc/ppp/peers/ |
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| 17:03.23 | Albacker | ok thanks valdyn. |
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| 17:03.38 | valdyn | Albacker: it is there by default, no idea what/how kppp does |
| 17:03.41 | takatumi | Albacker: why not just use pppconfig and pon/poff? |
| 17:03.47 | oPeter | My sarge installer freezes on detecting SCSI drives (module smod), what can i do to solve it? |
| 17:04.02 | Albacker | takatumi I do that and I cant access web pages with mozilla |
| 17:04.15 | Crio | I'm using sid and I upgraded gtk , now when ever I run a GTK based application I get BadImplementation errors from X, does any one know how to solve this? |
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| 17:04.32 | mwilson | Sure. Un-upgrade GTK |
| 17:04.40 | takatumi | Albacker: can you ping an ip after connecting? |
| 17:04.41 | Albacker | I do pon a [where a is the name of my connection] and it seems its connected but when I try to open any web page nothing happens. |
| 17:04.42 | FieldySnuts | or, the hard road: recompile every single gtk app. |
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| 17:04.50 | FieldySnuts | you choose |
| 17:05.08 | PlanA | Anyone know why maildrop is loosing my mail? syslog says "delivered to command: /usr/bin/maildrop" but no mail ever makes it to the users |
| 17:05.12 | Albacker | takatumi : after I connect using wvdial I cant ping. I do ping www.google.com and I get no response. like it freezes |
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| 17:05.31 | Crio | how do I un-upgrade it? |
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| 17:05.58 | mwilson | How did you upgrade it? An unstable user should really know these things. |
| 17:05.58 | Crio | how can i fall back to the previous version |
| 17:06.29 | valdyn | Albacker: with kppp, i think you just add noauth at change pppd arguments |
| 17:06.31 | jariep1_ | I'm trying to install true type fonts, I installed the ttf-xfree86-nonfree package |
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| 17:06.36 | oPeter | My sarge installer freezes on detecting SCSI drives (module smod), what can i do to solve it? |
| 17:06.42 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: hehehehe. heheh. heh..... HEH you expect too much. |
| 17:06.42 | Crio | well.. I upgraded an application.. which upgraded gtk as it was a dependancy.... i just followed through |
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| 17:07.06 | niuck | is there i program like xwmconfig in debian? |
| 17:07.08 | valdyn | Albacker: it doesnt freeze, it cant resolve www.google.com, try to ping a numeric ip first |
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| 17:07.19 | Albacker | valdyn where should I put the noauth in /etc/ppp/peers/ ? |
| 17:07.25 | PlanA | oPeter, if you're not using scsi "linux no scsi" at boot |
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| 17:07.26 | mwilson | niuck: Does anyone get to know what xwmconfig is? |
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| 17:07.38 | niuck | mwilson: changing window manager |
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| 17:07.50 | FieldySnuts | can i guess? something lame that comes with suse/fedora/redhat/* |
| 17:07.57 | valdyn | Albacker: "provider" maybe, but again - i have no idea how and where kppp stores its configuration |
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| 17:08.18 | niuck | mwilson: slackware uses it, im just looking for something similar in debian |
| 17:08.26 | valdyn | Albacker: nevermind, theres a file kppp-options |
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| 17:08.41 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 17:08.43 | valdyn | Albacker: look at that file |
| 17:08.46 | mwilson | Well, if Snacky uses it, it must be lame. |
| 17:08.49 | Albacker | well I'm switching to debian to try everything |
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| 17:09.06 | niuck | hmm, not the answer i was looking for. |
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| 17:09.30 | mwilson | Gee, how about you ask the question you actually want an answer to, then? |
| 17:09.38 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: best? |
| 17:09.39 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you using Windows? |
| 17:09.46 | FieldySnuts | :/ |
| 17:10.17 | valdyn | Albacker: find it? |
| 17:10.20 | niuck | mwilson: i want to use fluxbox as my windowmanager. |
| 17:10.42 | FieldySnuts | echo "whatever-starts-fluxbox" > ~/.xinitrc |
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| 17:10.48 | mwilson | niuck: And you want permission? Fine, you have it. |
| 17:10.52 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 17:10.52 | sussudio | apt: stfu |
| 17:10.53 | apt | stfu is, like, Shut the F*** Up!, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/stfu-noob.jpg |
| 17:11.02 | niuck | thanks fieldysnuts |
| 17:11.21 | mwilson | You can have my sympathy, as well, for whatever gun is being pointed at you to force you to use fluxcrap. |
| 17:11.24 | FieldySnuts | works for me but I use startx all the time, not sure about other methoods |
| 17:11.30 | FieldySnuts | methods |
| 17:12.19 | FieldySnuts | <ot>damnit what's a good place that also has a website (usa hopefully) which sells camera supplies, such as lenses</ot> |
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| 17:12.54 | CaT_MaN | hp |
| 17:13.10 | FieldySnuts | compaqsmite? |
| 17:13.12 | else | why is my ipod only recognized after a restart? |
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| 17:14.00 | valdyn | !hotplug |
| 17:14.00 | dpkg | [hotplug] a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover |
| 17:14.13 | JRWR | How do i find out what "port" my PCMCIA modem is "on" |
| 17:14.32 | valdyn | else: ^^^^ |
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| 17:15.23 | marco | hallo |
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| 17:15.44 | stew | FieldySnuts: bhphoto.com |
| 17:15.45 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 17:15.48 | JRWR | brb |
| 17:15.54 | dravey | hrm, is there an easy way to get dev headers for mod_perl2 in unstable? |
| 17:16.11 | dravey | or will I have to build my own? |
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| 17:21.15 | JRWR | How do i find out what ttys* is my PCMCIA modem |
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| 17:21.18 | sussudio | apt: be quiet |
| 17:21.19 | apt | Ah, shuddup. |
| 17:21.23 | sussudio | !fuck apt |
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| 17:21.38 | bluefoxicy | o.o |
| 17:21.41 | cahoot | FieldySnuts: check at photo.net |
| 17:21.43 | JRWR | O.o |
| 17:21.46 | bluefoxicy | ejaculates loudly |
| 17:21.50 | bluefoxicy | coming != ejaculating |
| 17:21.56 | Rockj | anyone mind help me installing grub? only have one scsi hdd installed. thing is, when I have booted up the floppy with grub on it and type find /boot/grub/stage1 it finds nothing :S |
| 17:22.00 | bluefoxicy | ejaculation is defined as a sudden scream |
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| 17:22.16 | sussudio | !do bluefoxicy |
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| 17:22.21 | bluefoxicy | >:P |
| 17:22.38 | m0rbid | said in #debian-bugs.. ^^ either way, a simple, "Yah, I think its going well", would be suffice, or a "From what I know..". You know being part of linux is being part of a community, seems the more people know about linux the more they tend to stick to their own kind, meaning status. I'm an intermediate, so I guess I don't 'belong' here. ^^ |
| 17:22.43 | m0rbid | god that is soooo true. |
| 17:23.03 | Doat | why can't i login anonymously to my ftp though i have anonymous_enable=YES? im using vsftpd |
| 17:23.03 | netbrain | im having some problems with lvm and a 200gb disk. how come when i format the disk ext3/2 it takes like half an hour for it to complete.. i also sense that the transfer rate of the disk i much lower than what it should be. |
| 17:23.12 | netbrain | anyone know whats wrong? |
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| 17:23.43 | m0rbid | netbrain: CPU? FSB Speed? IDE Chan Speed? |
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| 17:23.50 | m0rbid | they all make a difference. |
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| 17:24.27 | zinx | transfer mode makes a pretty big difference too :P |
| 17:24.45 | paulswm | netbrain: I don't understand what you are trying to do. You can't format a disk with a filesystem. |
| 17:24.54 | m0rbid | zinx: thats what I was looking for, but that pretty much conencts with the IDE Chan speed. |
| 17:24.58 | eye69 | netbrain: Do 'hdparm -d /dev/hdX' |
| 17:25.08 | eye69 | netbrain: Does it say 0 or something else? |
| 17:25.12 | m0rbid | 'X' being which partition. |
| 17:25.23 | eye69 | No, which disk. |
| 17:25.42 | m0rbid | 'hd' is the physical disk. |
| 17:25.53 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 17:25.54 | eye69 | No, hda is the primary master. |
| 17:26.03 | eye69 | hda1 is the first partition on the primary master. |
| 17:26.31 | m0rbid | eye69: your correct, sorry, I just woke up, and I have a black eye, so I did't read you correctly. =) |
| 17:26.37 | netbrain | Morbid: hang on. |
| 17:26.37 | eye69 | m0rbid: :) |
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| 17:26.52 | eye69 | m0rbid: Which disk is it? |
| 17:26.58 | zinx | paulswm: good move |
| 17:27.07 | m0rbid | eye69: Im not sure, his primary help just parted. |
| 17:27.35 | m0rbid | zinx: help is help is help, doesnt matter where it comes from. |
| 17:27.37 | resiak | !tell paulswm about sunday |
| 17:27.58 | valentinos | how i create an mysql user with mysqladmin with full access? |
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| 17:28.03 | Doat | why can't i login anonymously to my ftp though i have anonymous_enable=YES in conf? im using vsftpd |
| 17:28.25 | m0rbid | Doat: did you restart the daemon? |
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| 17:28.34 | Doat | no.. |
| 17:28.34 | Hostile | does debian have a 64 bit version? |
| 17:28.37 | Doat | how do i do that? |
| 17:28.41 | m0rbid | Doat: there you go |
| 17:28.41 | caphuso | Hostile: several |
| 17:28.46 | Doat | m0rbid: how do i do it? |
| 17:28.52 | Hostile | caphuso, I have a friend that wants to use it |
| 17:28.54 | m0rbid | Doat: /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
| 17:29.01 | Doat | thanks |
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| 17:29.03 | eye69 | Hostile: http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 17:29.05 | zinx | Hostile: none official |
| 17:29.05 | m0rbid | Doat: np |
| 17:29.33 | zinx | oh, i guess they do have an official one now |
| 17:29.44 | zophyx | will debian ever migrate away from the sysV type of init ? |
| 17:29.59 | resiak | zophyx: You can move it away if you want. |
| 17:30.00 | netbrain | Morbid: CPU = pentium 3 500mhz, fsb = have no idea. IDE chan speed = probably ata 100 |
| 17:30.11 | Doat | m0rbid: not working :/ im getting 530 |
| 17:30.16 | netbrain | eye69: yes it says 0. just changed it to 1 :D |
| 17:30.34 | m0rbid | Doat: "ps aux | grep vsftp" |
| 17:30.44 | eye69 | netbrain: Ok, that should change things. |
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| 17:30.53 | resiak | zophyx: There's a package to do it. apt-cache search runlevel shows it up, I think. |
| 17:31.01 | Doat | m0rbid: /usr/sbin/vsftpd is it this? |
| 17:31.04 | Rockj | grub sucks so damn much |
| 17:31.05 | eye69 | netbrain: Edit /etc/hdparm.conf to make that change permanent |
| 17:31.08 | m0rbid | thats to start it |
| 17:31.12 | Rockj | arf :S |
| 17:31.13 | Hostile | I looked at the ports page and went to the AMD64 one |
| 17:31.15 | Doat | o |
| 17:31.17 | Hostile | but it says there is no files |
| 17:31.18 | m0rbid | Doat: did you run what I told you to? |
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| 17:31.24 | Doat | m0rbid: yea |
| 17:31.31 | m0rbid | did anything show up? |
| 17:31.37 | Doat | now |
| 17:31.38 | Doat | no* |
| 17:31.41 | m0rbid | ok |
| 17:32.00 | netbrain | eye69: is it normal when i run mkfs.ext3 on /dev/hdxy that it stops on inode 99 waits for 4 seconds and then continoue a couple 100 inodes or so? |
| 17:32.02 | Doat | m0rbid: i can login with un and pw |
| 17:32.06 | Doat | but not anonymously |
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| 17:32.17 | eye69 | netbrain: Yes, if you don't have DMA enabled (you just enabled it). |
| 17:32.17 | m0rbid | hmmm |
| 17:32.21 | caphuso | Doat: check the logs |
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| 17:32.33 | Doat | caphuso: where? |
| 17:32.35 | m0rbid | vsftpd lists as something else in ps aux? |
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| 17:32.40 | caphuso | Doat: /var/log/ |
| 17:32.43 | m0rbid | /var/log/syslog |
| 17:32.50 | netbrain | eye69: well its still stopping on certain inodes. |
| 17:33.01 | m0rbid | brb guys. |
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| 17:33.24 | eye69 | netbrain: Does it still do it with DMA enabled? |
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| 17:33.33 | sanitarium | darn it i added nvidia ok changed to nvidia in xorg now says no screens found |
| 17:33.35 | Doat | caphuso: what should i look for there? |
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| 17:33.40 | resiak | sanitarium: Xorg isn't in Debian. |
| 17:33.44 | eye69 | netbrain: What disks do you have in the system? |
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| 17:33.54 | sanitarium | xf86config -4 |
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| 17:33.57 | sanitarium | i mean |
| 17:34.13 | Award | Does anyone here know of any good newegg-like online stores for computers and computer parts in europe? |
| 17:34.17 | sanitarium | what is the command to rerun xserver |
| 17:34.34 | netbrain | eye69: the disk in question is managed by lvm. and /dev/hdd is running dma. but i cant set the dma mode for /dev/bighd/lvol1 <-- lvm disk. same as /dev/hdd |
| 17:34.43 | sanitarium | xserver --reconfigure ... is that right? |
| 17:35.04 | eye69 | netbrain: No, DMA should be set for the underlying physical disk, so /dev/hdd. |
| 17:35.06 | drac | sanitarium: no it isn't, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 instead. |
| 17:35.11 | caphuso | Doat: anything relating to your problem |
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| 17:35.18 | sanitarium | ty drac |
| 17:35.25 | netbrain | eye69: /dev/hda is a 40gb western digital. /dev/hdc is a 120 gb maxtor disk. /dev/hdd is a 200gb western digital |
| 17:35.27 | Doat | caphuso: Sun Feb 6 20:39:04 2005 [pid 2194] [anonymous] FAIL LOGIN: Client "213.216.237.101" |
| 17:35.38 | caphuso | Doat: that's all? |
| 17:35.40 | eye69 | netbrain: Make sure DMA is set for all of them. |
| 17:35.41 | FieldySnuts | oookay. |
| 17:35.44 | FieldySnuts | that's in relation to what |
| 17:35.52 | Doat | caphuso: not all.. thats the last line |
| 17:36.00 | Doat | nothing else related to that |
| 17:36.09 | caphuso | Doat: then change the log level |
| 17:36.10 | netbrain | when i have set it for all the disks now. it will be running dma mode when i restart as well? |
| 17:36.12 | eye69 | netbrain: You shouldn't be having the "pausing" problem once DMA is set. |
| 17:36.26 | eye69 | netbrain: No, you need to edit /etc/hdparm.conf for that. |
| 17:36.27 | netbrain | ok. |
| 17:36.32 | Doat | caphuso: how? |
| 17:36.36 | netbrain | ok. thanks alot mate |
| 17:36.39 | Doat | in conf? |
| 17:36.42 | sanitarium | resiak, i grabbed old backup xf86config -4 file from other pc and now its worst lol |
| 17:36.43 | szetlan | I have a debian file server running samba and netatalk, and I have trouble with files "disappearing" from the shares -- they're invisible when viewed from my Mac (two different OS X machines) but visible from a login on the server. Anyone have any clue what's going on? Many details available.... |
| 17:36.57 | caphuso | Doat: by reading the docs for vsftpd and editing the config file |
| 17:36.58 | eye69 | netbrain: No problem, neighbor. |
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| 17:37.15 | netbrain | eye69: one more thing. is there any other common tuning options for harddrives i should be aware of? |
| 17:37.31 | mwilson | Does netatalk support longer than 32 character names yet? |
| 17:37.33 | resiak | sanitarium: I don't really care. |
| 17:37.45 | sanitarium | haha |
| 17:38.04 | else | why is my ipod only recognized after a restart? |
| 17:38.05 | sanitarium | how do i find the video cards bus identifer |
| 17:38.08 | szetlan | mwilson: assume you're talking to me? I think it does, but I have this problem with files in 8.3 naming style |
| 17:38.18 | szetlan | both on smb and afp |
| 17:38.24 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart The Sunday Crowd(TM) |
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| 17:38.48 | resiak | sanitarium: READ THE FUCKING SCREEN, AND IT TELLS YOU THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO BOTHER WITH IT UNLESS YOU'RE ON A POWERPC |
| 17:38.56 | eye69 | netbrain: None that I like playing with. |
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| 17:39.26 | JRWR | when i boot up in KDE the sound server says (even in root) " Error Initializing SOund driver: Device /dev/dsp cant be opened (No such device) The sound server will continue, useing the null output" |
| 17:39.43 | caphuso | JRWR: /msg dpkg audio |
| 17:39.51 | JRWR | ok |
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| 17:40.08 | Xenguy | resiak: capslock? |
| 17:40.13 | jetscreamer | check that kde is configured to use alsa vs oss (if it does that) |
| 17:40.18 | resiak | Xenguy: No, actually, I have no capslock. I did that by hand :) |
| 17:40.27 | Xenguy | resiak: tsk tsk |
| 17:40.43 | resiak | Xenguy: I guess I oughta keep quiet and just keep out of here on Sunday. |
| 17:40.55 | jetscreamer | ah stuporbowl sunday |
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| 17:41.06 | Xenguy | resiak: it's hard, but there are worse channels to drive one crazy ;-) |
| 17:41.10 | resiak | jetscreamer: Leave now, while you still have time. |
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| 17:41.26 | resiak | Xenguy: You're kidding. Worse than #d on a Sunday? |
| 17:41.38 | Xenguy | resiak: hehe |
| 17:41.47 | JRWR | What cat would this driver be under in modconf (sound driver) |
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| 17:42.00 | resiak | Xenguy: No, seriously, where? |
| 17:42.02 | FieldySnuts | meow? |
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| 17:42.22 | JRWR | What category would this driver be under in modconf (sound driver)* |
| 17:42.52 | jetscreamer | gdamit |
| 17:42.54 | jetscreamer | not modconf, the kde control panel |
| 17:42.55 | jetscreamer | but are you using alsa or oss |
| 17:42.58 | jetscreamer | alsa is prepended with snd-module in modconf |
| 17:43.14 | JRWR | oss |
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| 17:43.26 | JRWR | i got that working on knoppix b4 |
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| 17:43.32 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: enjoyaolify oss |
| 17:43.32 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: PEBKAC error, or Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. |
| 17:43.39 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aolenjoyify oss |
| 17:43.39 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:43.41 | FieldySnuts | bah |
| 17:43.46 | FieldySnuts | dyslexia! |
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| 17:44.04 | dedikerad | anyone tried poker3d in debian? i get a bluescreen |
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| 17:44.13 | dedikerad | when i try to run a game |
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| 17:44.55 | JRWR | TBSOD |
| 17:45.06 | JRWR | i thougth that was a windows thing |
| 17:45.10 | jetscreamer | when dpkg says "<dpkg> Factoid search of 'alsa' by key (15 shown; 34 total)" how do you get him to show the other 19? (34-15=) |
| 17:45.22 | jetscreamer | ok i can't add |
| 17:45.28 | jetscreamer | or subtract |
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| 17:46.00 | jetscreamer | !portuguese |
| 17:46.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:46.04 | JRWR | so how in the hell do i get this sound working |
| 17:46.19 | JRWR | dpkg did not help |
| 17:46.19 | dpkg | JRWR: are you smoking crack? |
| 17:46.27 | Doat | caphuso: i enabled log_ftp_protocol, restarted daemon, tried to log with anonymous but it logged the same as before :/ |
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| 17:46.34 | JRWR | so just pot |
| 17:46.35 | jetscreamer | what is your sound card chip, jrwr |
| 17:46.40 | JRWR | ESS |
| 17:46.58 | jetscreamer | ess... gee that pins it down to about 20 different models |
| 17:47.37 | JRWR | im looking up the model now |
| 17:47.39 | jetscreamer | JRWR, do you have discover? is it autodetecting your soundcard? |
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| 17:47.57 | Nick78 | hello |
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| 17:48.06 | jetscreamer | oh and is it onboard or an addin card |
| 17:48.28 | JRWR | found it |
| 17:48.31 | JRWR | onboard |
| 17:48.36 | jetscreamer | or are you loading the modules by hand, or what |
| 17:48.38 | JRWR | its a Compaw Laptop |
| 17:48.44 | galois | what is an acceptable domain to tag onto a hostname? .lan? |
| 17:48.48 | jetscreamer | 1868? |
| 17:48.48 | JRWR | Armada M300 |
| 17:48.50 | Ungy | I have a newb Question concerning a file share I created on a server I have I can see the drive and I can pull things off of it but I can;t write to the drive and I have no idea where to start looking for the problem |
| 17:48.57 | JRWR | ES1978 |
| 17:49.05 | jetscreamer | galois, tack on YOUR domain |
| 17:49.09 | Nick78 | If you've forgotten to tell lilo about the initrd before rebooting, and if for some strange reason the old kernel doesn't appear as a menu option, is there any way to rescue the system without a boot disk? |
| 17:49.11 | rodrigo-tkd | How I can leave the X? |
| 17:49.14 | JRWR | maestro |
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| 17:49.22 | jetscreamer | rodrigo-tkd, ctrl+alt+bckspace |
| 17:49.24 | galois | jetscreamer: if I have none? |
| 17:49.29 | Doat | caphuso: also, its not making a chroot jail for local users though i enabled it in the conf... |
| 17:49.36 | rodrigo-tkd | thanks |
| 17:49.37 | jetscreamer | galois, you don't have to have a domain |
| 17:49.37 | Albacker | hmmm it didnt ping : takatumi |
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| 17:49.55 | caphuso | Doat: i think you haven't understood enough of the documentation |
| 17:50.04 | galois | jetscreamer: postfix seemed to be suggesting I needed more than "coffee" as a hostname |
| 17:50.18 | lee_ | is anybody aware of a solution that'll allow you to run Windows-based firmware updates under linux? I really don't want to be screwing around with installing Windows in order to update my drives firmware ... |
| 17:50.19 | galois | all it neds to do is local mail delivery |
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| 17:50.20 | jetscreamer | ahhh mta requires an fqdn yes |
| 17:50.43 | jetscreamer | not sure beyond me. |
| 17:50.54 | JRWR | will wine work? |
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| 17:51.11 | angri | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.22 | galois | jetscreamer: thanks anyway |
| 17:51.25 | Doat | caphuso: errr.. why so? |
| 17:51.28 | lee_ | I haven't tried WINE but I don't think it's built for doing such things =) |
| 17:51.29 | angri | msg apt fgf |
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| 17:51.46 | jetscreamer | galois, i think it wants a real fqdn, a resolvable one. |
| 17:51.49 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 17:51.50 | R4Ndom | How do I get a higher screen resolution than 800x600 in Sarge? |
| 17:51.53 | angri | uups, how to message apt ? |
| 17:52.02 | JRWR | is the program mad ein dos? |
| 17:52.06 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, know thy monitor refresh rates |
| 17:52.12 | galois | jetscreamer: would coffee.lan be enough |
| 17:52.14 | Ungy | R4Ndom depends ont eh video card don;t you think |
| 17:52.15 | quittt | anybody here knows how to configure dmix? |
| 17:52.21 | galois | the router will resolve that to the computer's IP |
| 17:52.32 | Cit | JRWR: I don't know actually, I haven't invesitgated, and there's no readme (I don't have a working windows install at the moment) |
| 17:52.41 | jetscreamer | galois, i would think so, but i know nothing... (think so though) |
| 17:52.53 | galois | jetscreamer: will give it a go |
| 17:53.06 | JRWR | ... |
| 17:53.08 | jetscreamer | JRWR, so do you have discover ? is it detecting your sound card? |
| 17:53.09 | R4Ndom | Well, how would I change the refresh rate? I would like 1024x768, which works fine in windows. |
| 17:53.14 | JRWR | i had it working at one time on a nother distro |
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| 17:53.26 | britt | hello |
| 17:53.31 | JRWR | baes off of knoppix (knoppix had sound too) |
| 17:53.40 | quittt | dmix?? |
| 17:53.43 | quittt | can someone help me? |
| 17:53.46 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, you would google your monitor model's refresh rates, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose advanced when it asks |
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| 17:54.01 | netbrain | eye69: i still got the pausing issue. i've even recreated the lvm drive. any other ideas? |
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| 17:54.22 | netbrain | dma is on, on drive hdd |
| 17:54.28 | jetscreamer | jrwr the first thing to know is if the correct modules are being loaded for your sound card |
| 17:54.31 | R4Ndom | a monitor could have mulitple refresh rates, correct? |
| 17:54.41 | Doat | caphuso: i commented "local_enable=YES" and i can still log with my local user :P seems like im editing the wrong conf file or something.. |
| 17:54.48 | cahoot | quittt: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php?company=Generic&card=Generic&chip=Generic&module=Generic |
| 17:54.55 | JRWR | <== loads sndconfig |
| 17:55.18 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, it's the horizontal refresh and the vertical refresh that youneed to know.... there will be a range, but the range won't differ |
| 17:55.41 | jetscreamer | that sounds like redhat jrwr |
| 17:55.44 | R4Ndom | Hmmm |
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| 17:56.02 | JRWR | its for debian now too saw it in the pgkmgr |
| 17:56.48 | R4Ndom | So, the horizontal and vertical are most likely equal? |
| 17:56.56 | Ungy | OK umm I can;t figure out what I have to do to make this work I have a link to my www folder from my home directory and I would like a windows client to be able to upload to it how do I make that work I have the sahare but I keep getting access denied |
| 17:57.02 | JRWR | <== soundcore.o was not found |
| 17:57.10 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, the vert and horiz rates are a different anaimail than like say 1024x768@60hz ... that range of rates enables you to actually choose the 60hz... if you see what i mean (clear as mud eh) |
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| 17:57.36 | jetscreamer | no R4Ndom you NEED to google the refresh rates of the model of your monitor |
| 17:57.40 | abrotman | !moo |
| 17:57.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 17:57.42 | jetscreamer | if you wanna input them |
| 17:57.57 | R4Ndom | ooo, okay thank you. And thanks to everyone who helped me install yesterday. =) |
| 17:58.03 | JRWR | 0.o |
| 17:58.15 | Ungy | hahahaha I thought I was a newb |
| 17:58.36 | jetscreamer | JRWR, i'd apt-get install discover if i was you.. you can always take it back out after you see what it loads |
| 17:58.53 | jetscreamer | don't let it manage mount points though (blegh) |
| 17:59.23 | Doat | ehh.. i ran /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop but i can still use the ftp.. wtf? |
| 17:59.25 | JRWR | <== box does not have internet |
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| 17:59.37 | abrotman | internet ==> JRWR |
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| 17:59.48 | jetscreamer | doat that would be a client vs an ftp service maybe? |
| 17:59.51 | JRWR | is libdiscover1 good |
| 18:00.04 | JRWR | im one my desktop |
| 18:00.06 | jetscreamer | that's the library of discover |
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| 18:00.12 | JRWR | linux is on laptop |
| 18:00.13 | Ungy | any Idea how i can give a user access to the /var/www directory via Samba? |
| 18:00.17 | jetscreamer | you still need the proggy though |
| 18:00.21 | JRWR | found it |
| 18:00.25 | jetscreamer | script |
| 18:00.27 | JRWR | pkgmgr rocks |
| 18:00.37 | Frem | hey, i want to make my floppy drive user mountable. I added appropiate info to my /etc/fstab file, but it stil tells me that only root can mount things. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 18:00.42 | Albacker | can anyone help me on kppp !if I connect using pon and wvdial I cant ping and I cant open web pages and connect to a irc server : |
| 18:00.42 | Albacker | Nov 18 00:27:32 green-beret pppd[622]: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
| 18:00.42 | Albacker | Nov 18 00:27:32 green-beret pppd[622]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 18:00.42 | Albacker | Nov 18 00:27:32 green-beret pppd[622]: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.) |
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| 18:00.45 | jetscreamer | ok so it's probably install then.... it does it's thing on boot, jrwr. |
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| 18:01.14 | sanitarium | hehe i meesed it good it starts gdm goes blank screen cant even switch to different tty |
| 18:01.18 | paulswm | netbrain: If you are having slowness when making a filesystem, it has little to do with transfer rates or DMA, as relatively little data transfer is taking place. |
| 18:01.20 | Doat | jetscreamer: whaaat? |
| 18:01.25 | JRWR | let me run discover |
| 18:01.25 | abrotman | pppconfig |
| 18:01.26 | JRWR | and see what it does |
| 18:01.34 | jetscreamer | jrwr it runs on boot |
| 18:01.36 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 18:01.43 | JRWR | oh |
| 18:01.46 | Albacker | can anyone help me? |
| 18:01.55 | JRWR | wow i have to restart it |
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| 18:02.15 | JRWR | it been on for 2 weeks now |
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| 18:02.31 | abrotman | pppconfig |
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| 18:02.38 | jetscreamer | vsftpd would be an ftp server and you stopped it but can still use your ftp client? or you can still ftp into your ftp server after you stop it? |
| 18:02.41 | Ungy | ok I give up man guess I just have to keep cping the shit ;-( |
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| 18:03.00 | abrotman | Ungy: ask #samba ? |
| 18:03.03 | Albacker | abrotman I connect to the internet but I cant do a shit ! |
| 18:03.06 | abrotman | Ungy: it's insecure anyways ... |
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| 18:03.18 | uruboro | hehe |
| 18:03.20 | Albacker | I connect using pon and wvdial |
| 18:03.23 | Ungy | abrotman true but its an internal home server |
| 18:03.27 | galois | Ungy: add it as a samba share |
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| 18:03.30 | abrotman | Albacker: i've always used pppconfig .. worked fine |
| 18:03.42 | galois | Ungy: nano /etc/samba.smb.conf |
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| 18:03.44 | JRWR | the weakest point in a computer is its netowrk |
| 18:03.45 | Albacker | hmmmm |
| 18:03.53 | Ungy | hmm good idea I will try that |
| 18:03.58 | abrotman | JRWR: no .. it's the users |
| 18:04.05 | Ungy | or maybe I just change group to that user? |
| 18:04.06 | Albacker | I connect with pon and I cant open web pages and cant connect to IRC servers. |
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| 18:04.07 | jetscreamer | windows is really ok as long as you don't connect it to the internet |
| 18:04.10 | uruboro | Albacker do connect but you can't resolve names, maybe? |
| 18:04.11 | JRWR | ya |
| 18:04.13 | galois | Ungy: fairly self explainatory (though worth upprading to 3.x if there are XP machines) |
| 18:04.33 | Albacker | when I use kpp i get : |
| 18:04.33 | Albacker | Nov 18 00:27:32 green-beret pppd[622]: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
| 18:04.33 | Albacker | Nov 18 00:27:32 green-beret pppd[622]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 18:04.33 | Albacker | Nov 18 00:27:32 green-beret pppd[622]: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.) |
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| 18:04.36 | JRWR | wow now boot takes even longer |
| 18:04.39 | Ungy | galois 200 only here I don;t like Xp |
| 18:04.40 | Frem | jetscreamer: true dat. until it crashes, at least. ;-) |
| 18:04.44 | abrotman | yes . discover does that |
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| 18:04.58 | GueVolt | Albacker: i'm using gkdial. work fine. Why you not try? |
| 18:04.59 | abrotman | !flood |
| 18:05.00 | dpkg | Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. Any questions? If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 18:05.05 | paulswm | Albacker: for God's sake stop flooding |
| 18:05.07 | abrotman | GueVolt: he configued ppp wrong |
| 18:05.19 | JRWR | it says that it thinks the drivers are already in the kernal |
| 18:05.19 | quittt | cahoot, man!! |
| 18:05.22 | Albacker | well no one is helping me ! |
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| 18:05.23 | quittt | cahoot, it is IMPOSSIBLE |
| 18:05.31 | paulswm | Albacker: like abrotman said, pppconfig |
| 18:05.39 | GueVolt | abrotman: humm... |
| 18:05.46 | Albacker | I opened pppconfig |
| 18:05.50 | Albacker | and added everything there |
| 18:06.03 | Albacker | the pap pach thing username passsword number and everything it needs. |
| 18:06.05 | paulswm | Albacker: that's no excuse to screw up the channel for everyone else, it's not like you're paying anyone to help you |
| 18:06.11 | JRWR | it still can open the device |
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| 18:06.24 | cahoot | quittt: creating a working .asoundrc and using dmix? |
| 18:06.35 | quittt | cahoot, how do I create it? |
| 18:06.39 | quittt | can you send me yours? |
| 18:06.43 | cortex | My debian box has gotten really unstable lately, it isn't exactly crashing, instead it suddenly starts to swap more and more, until it just grinds to a unusably slow, but not quite crashed state. This happens about once a day, and I haven't been able to correlate it with any particular program. |
| 18:06.46 | quittt | how do I use dmix? |
| 18:07.03 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 18:07.03 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 18:07.08 | abrotman | man dmix ? |
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| 18:07.34 | cahoot | quittt: what card? |
| 18:07.45 | Albacker | paulswm : do you have any idea |
| 18:07.52 | abrotman | pppconfig |
| 18:07.57 | quittt | cm8738 |
| 18:08.00 | abrotman | and make sure you use the right connection |
| 18:08.04 | paulswm | Albacker: what abrotman said |
| 18:08.36 | abrotman | !sound |
| 18:08.36 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 18:08.42 | Albacker | abrotman : I've done that before !! |
| 18:08.56 | abrotman | Albacker: does your modem even work? |
| 18:09.00 | Albacker | yes |
| 18:09.05 | Albacker | Its working now [in windows] |
| 18:09.09 | JRWR | lol |
| 18:09.10 | Albacker | it has worked in redhat |
| 18:09.22 | Albacker | it has worked in fedora, suse, |
| 18:09.31 | uruboro | does apt-get log the install actions somewhere? I guess a debconf problem screwed up the execution of preinst scripts for my last update yesterday :( I suppose in the future i'm better off with aptitude... |
| 18:09.31 | JRWR | does not mean nothing |
| 18:09.38 | abrotman | Albacker: is it a winmodem? |
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| 18:09.54 | mwilson | uruboro: What, you think aptitude doesn't use debconf? |
| 18:10.01 | Albacker | abrotman : I said it has worked i fedora, redhat, mandrake, suse : how can it be a winmodem ? |
| 18:10.06 | Albacker | anyway no it's not |
| 18:10.12 | abrotman | Albacker: because they might have the drivers included |
| 18:10.27 | abrotman | Albacker: anyways .. i've always used pppconfig .. and pon/poff |
| 18:10.33 | uruboro | mwilson i updated debconf. The thing is that aptitude seems to log actions :) |
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| 18:10.51 | mwilson | Typical unstable user... doesn't even know how the tools work. |
| 18:11.08 | jetscreamer | mwilson, i heard aptitude isn't totally compliant or something (i know nothing) |
| 18:11.10 | stuNNed | hi all, can someone post me in #flood default sarge repo's? :D |
| 18:11.11 | quittt | cahoot, it is pretty difficult |
| 18:11.19 | Albacker | anyway ! |
| 18:11.21 | Albacker | thanks. |
| 18:11.21 | abrotman | resiak: my debian accidentally installed suse .. can you help? |
| 18:11.31 | resiak | abrotman: I don't know... Have you got any acid? |
| 18:11.36 | Albacker | do you know where can I find the kppp config file ? |
| 18:11.41 | abrotman | resiak: i trade for installed machine |
| 18:11.42 | Doat | how can i stop /usr/sbin/vsftpd? /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop or /usr/sbin/vsftpd stop dont work... |
| 18:11.43 | uruboro | mwilson, I meant i am better of with aptitude because it logs actions |
| 18:11.45 | abrotman | Albacker: ask #debian-kde |
| 18:11.49 | JRWR | should i use alsa? |
| 18:11.54 | jetscreamer | stuNNed, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:11.59 | stuNNed | jetscreamer: danke!! |
| 18:12.01 | mwilson | You're better off not using unstable. |
| 18:12.03 | resiak | abrotman: OMGWTFLOLNIPPLES! |
| 18:12.08 | jetscreamer | not really jrwr, not if you can't get oss working |
| 18:12.12 | abrotman | resiak: you've got nipples? |
| 18:12.15 | jetscreamer | after you getoss working you can |
| 18:12.17 | quittt | when I make asound.conf do I need to restart alsa? |
| 18:12.20 | cahoot | quittt: the procedure is described in real detail in the urls posted above - I have no specific knowledge about your card |
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| 18:12.24 | resiak | abrotman: You guessed correctly earlier, remember? :) |
| 18:12.30 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 18:12.33 | quittt | !dmix |
| 18:12.34 | dpkg | well, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 18:12.35 | ProgramGeek | Whats a good IDE for C/C++ dev in deb? |
| 18:12.41 | uruboro | mwilson why, i'm unstable myself HARHARHARHARRRRRR |
| 18:12.48 | abrotman | ProgramGeek: anjuta |
| 18:12.49 | jetscreamer | anjunta is an ide |
| 18:12.50 | else | why is my ipod only recognized after a restart? |
| 18:12.56 | abrotman | ask apple? |
| 18:12.57 | JRWR | hotplug |
| 18:12.58 | jetscreamer | one of thouse |
| 18:13.08 | JRWR | do you have hotplug installed |
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| 18:13.14 | ProgramGeek | Mmmm |
| 18:13.26 | ProgramGeek | Abrotman: thanks |
| 18:13.28 | jetscreamer | jrwr the sarge installer (d-i) installs discover and hotplug by default |
| 18:13.28 | abrotman | ProgramGeek: if you'd like cross platform .. look at like jedit or eclipse |
| 18:13.35 | ProgramGeek | Ahh |
| 18:13.42 | JRWR | mine did not |
| 18:13.47 | abrotman | though .. anjuta may work on win32 .. never tried |
| 18:13.52 | abrotman | ProgramGeek: or try vim :) |
| 18:14.05 | ProgramGeek | Teehee... |
| 18:14.11 | jetscreamer | netbeans bites, or used to |
| 18:14.19 | TTT | ok, i want to write a dvd, what do I use? dvdrecord? |
| 18:14.29 | TTT | (i'm familar with CD writing) |
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| 18:14.40 | jetscreamer | you need dvdrw-tools or something |
| 18:14.45 | jetscreamer | i forget the exact name |
| 18:14.46 | abrotman | !dvdrw |
| 18:14.48 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:14.56 | _mike | anybody know how to change modules.usbmap file??? |
| 18:14.59 | TTT | I tried writing a DVD with dvdrecord and mkisofs on a pipe, but it fails |
| 18:15.08 | TTT | if I don't use a pipe, it succeeds |
| 18:15.13 | Doat | how can i stop /usr/sbin/vsftpd? /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop or /usr/sbin/vsftpd stop dont work... |
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| 18:15.29 | TTT | oh, and yeah, i tried to ask dpkg already |
| 18:15.33 | jetscreamer | doat, ls /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 18:15.51 | JRWR | dev/dsp is not there! im looking at the listing now! O.o |
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| 18:15.52 | paulswm | ProgramGeek: ddd is quite a good GUI to the debuggers, also |
| 18:15.59 | Doat | jetscreamer: yea it is there.. |
| 18:16.28 | ProgramGeek | paulswm: thanks, I think I'll try all of these out... Everything deserves a chance |
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| 18:16.42 | ciphergoth | X says about my modeline "bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan". Anyone know what problem this indicates? |
| 18:16.42 | uruboro | mwilson i explain: debconf was buggy, so all packages i apt-get updated didn't run preinstall scripts. I didn't notice anything, all packages that were upgraded work fine anyway but one. I upgraded to the fixed debconf and i wondered if i could see what packages the last update installed in some apt-get log, hence the question. I guess next time i'm gonna use aptitude because i have a log, else i have to look at the files' datestamp. |
| 18:16.44 | abrotman | wow .. ProgramGeek is an EOE geek |
| 18:16.49 | abrotman | err EOG |
| 18:16.59 | paulswm | ProgramGeek: actually, vim (I use gvim in X) has very good context highlighting |
| 18:17.06 | Doat | jetscreamer: what now? |
| 18:17.23 | ProgramGeek | abrotman: EOG? :o) |
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| 18:17.28 | jetscreamer | Doat, no idea... top? kill? |
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| 18:17.41 | ciphergoth | the modeline is: "Modeline "768x576pali" 14.76 768 789 858 944 576 580 583 625 -HSync -VSync Interlace |
| 18:17.48 | abrotman | ProgramGeek: Equal Oppurtunity Geek |
| 18:17.57 | ProgramGeek | paulswm: Ahhh, I heard alot about vim, and good highlighting is a good thing :o) |
| 18:18.08 | ProgramGeek | abrotman: Nice, tee hee :o) |
| 18:18.27 | drp | is vim really considered an ide |
| 18:18.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:18.33 | abrotman | by some |
| 18:18.35 | abrotman | so is emacs |
| 18:18.37 | drp | ic |
| 18:18.40 | Doat | jetscreamer: ok i got it killed |
| 18:18.47 | TTT | ok, so nobody else besides jetscreamer tried writing DVDs here? |
| 18:18.49 | abrotman | !ic |
| 18:18.49 | dpkg | i heard ic is (AKA) 'slurpy' or a conspiracy by the Indo-American community to take over your neighborhood via inexpensive groceries and snacks, or Integrated Circuit or "I see" for MORONS who are too lazy to type properly (I C) |
| 18:18.58 | drp | when i think of ides I think of visual studio ... |
| 18:19.01 | quittt | cahoot, man |
| 18:19.02 | abrotman | TTT: do we look rich? :) |
| 18:19.03 | jetscreamer | TTT, i've never owned a dvd burner :o |
| 18:19.05 | quittt | it is difficult here |
| 18:19.12 | abrotman | drp: yes .. you do .. but is that the right definition? |
| 18:19.12 | tull | hello! |
| 18:19.13 | abrotman | !ide |
| 18:19.13 | dpkg | i heard ide is (Integrated Device Electronics) IDE is the standard hard drive interface for PCs. You can connect a maximum of two hard drives to an IDE connection or channel. IDE hard drives are cheaper than SCSI drives, but sucks the chrome off a CPU, so to speak. check out http://linux-ide.org. Integrated Development Environment |
| 18:19.15 | TTT | jetscreamer: i tried installing dvd+rw-tools on sid, it only has some information discovery tools; |
| 18:19.18 | abrotman | bah .. so didn't work |
| 18:19.22 | JRWR | WHY CANT IT OPEN /DEV/DSP! |
| 18:19.22 | drp | abrotman, no but ... |
| 18:19.22 | JRWR | this is getten on my nerves |
| 18:19.23 | paulswm | ProgramGeek: Not sure what your background is, but if you are unused to the arcane vi command set, it'll take a bit of getting used to, but well worth the trouble to learn (you can also get a version of gvim for Windows, incidentally) |
| 18:19.24 | TTT | abrotman: i got my writer for ~50 USD |
| 18:19.29 | tull | just compiled my kernel and my network card isnt working |
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| 18:19.46 | Doat | jetscreamer: now it wont start :/ |
| 18:19.47 | abrotman | drp: i know .. it's the traditional way .. but ask #vim if they think it is an ide .. i'm not an authority |
| 18:19.51 | tull | i try to modprobe and is says the QM_MODULES arent loading |
| 18:19.56 | tull | something like that |
| 18:20.08 | tull | do u know what options i might have missed in the menuconfig? |
| 18:20.08 | jetscreamer | TTT, check for /dev/dvd symlink ... check permissions/suid on cdrecord or whatever.... |
| 18:20.23 | JRWR | the sound moduels are loaded but the sound sever will not work |
| 18:20.25 | jetscreamer | tull you need module-init-tools maybe? apt-get install it |
| 18:20.25 | TTT | jetscreamer: ok, nvm, i'll find a way. Only writing when using a pipe to stream data seems to be wrong, it does write when I make an image before writing |
| 18:20.29 | ProgramGeek | paulswm: ahhh -- I heard they can come in really handy -- But what is some of the useful things that can become of the command set in vim? |
| 18:20.40 | TTT | which is quite strange, btw |
| 18:20.57 | tull | jetscreamer really? i managed to do it before so i guess its something in the new kernel configuration |
| 18:21.03 | tull | what do u think? |
| 18:21.03 | jetscreamer | JRWR, check for the existence of /dev/dsp , and the permissions... |
| 18:21.04 | quittt | cahoot, what do I need to make ALSA use asound.conf? |
| 18:21.05 | paulswm | ProgramGeek: Also install the vim-doc package |
| 18:21.09 | jetscreamer | tull is this 2.4 vs 2.6? |
| 18:21.14 | tull | 2.6.8 |
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| 18:21.21 | jetscreamer | tull, coming from 2.4? |
| 18:21.24 | tull | yes! |
| 18:21.30 | jetscreamer | yeah apt-get install that |
| 18:21.31 | TTT | tull: get module-init-tools |
| 18:21.47 | tull | oh ok! thanks guys! if it works ill be here in a sec |
| 18:21.50 | tull | see u |
| 18:21.57 | paulswm | ProgramGeek: one example would be very powerful regular expression implementation |
| 18:22.13 | JRWR | ~/dev/dsp 1-3 is there and the permissions i have no clue what they should be |
| 18:22.14 | apt | JRWR: okay |
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| 18:22.25 | jetscreamer | JRWR, i've also gone through /dev/`anything audio looking` and chowned em |
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| 18:22.39 | jetscreamer | it's not ~ |
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| 18:22.44 | jetscreamer | it's /dev |
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| 18:23.08 | ciphergoth | OK, let's try a different question: nvidia-glx is installed but I still get |
| 18:23.09 | ciphergoth | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 18:23.24 | ProgramGeek | paulswm: vim-doc: check... nifty -- :o) |
| 18:23.25 | JRWR | sry my IRC client did not like /dev at the beggien |
| 18:23.30 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 18:23.34 | python_ | hi |
| 18:23.36 | JRWR | had to put something |
| 18:23.42 | jetscreamer | i make em all root:audio |
| 18:23.49 | jetscreamer | ls -l /dev/a* |
| 18:23.53 | jetscreamer | and so on |
| 18:23.55 | JRWR | ok |
| 18:24.04 | jetscreamer | jrwr i'm not saying do that |
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| 18:24.08 | jetscreamer | i'm saying i've done that |
| 18:24.16 | jetscreamer | you could try it.... |
| 18:24.17 | JRWR | oh |
| 18:24.21 | ProgramGeek | Hi python |
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| 18:24.24 | ciphergoth | are there any extra steps besides installing the nvidia kernel module and nvidia-glx that I need to do |
| 18:24.24 | JRWR | cant hurt |
| 18:24.27 | bizkit | how can i enable 48bit LBA support? i have a disk > 137G is there any option in the kernel config or what? |
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| 18:24.36 | ciphergoth | to get the nvidia extensions for X going? |
| 18:24.40 | ProgramGeek | G2g, thank you for the help paulswm and abrotman! |
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| 18:24.52 | Raf256 | hi |
| 18:24.53 | python_ | i am in the debian configuration selection windows. how do i select anything? it saes desktop and webserver and other things like that. but i dont know how to check them |
| 18:24.53 | ProgramGeek | :o) Tata. |
| 18:24.55 | python_ | thanks |
| 18:25.11 | JRWR | i see a audio[1-3] |
| 18:25.14 | Doat | how the f**k do i start vsftpd??? |
| 18:25.15 | Raf256 | where shoud I put export path="....." so that I could run programs from ~/bin/ ? |
| 18:25.18 | abrotman | python_: spacebar ? |
| 18:25.26 | python_ | thank |
| 18:25.29 | paulswm | abrotman: Well, what a nice person, said thanks and everything |
| 18:25.32 | python_ | thanks that works |
| 18:25.40 | python_ | i thought i tryed eveything |
| 18:25.44 | Raf256 | I added a file ~/.profile and put in it line export path="${HOME}/bin:${PATH}" but it do not work |
| 18:25.57 | abrotman | paulswm: yeah .. we get one of those a day or so :) |
| 18:26.10 | drp | I'm a frequent thank you'er |
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| 18:26.13 | JRWR | it still says it |
| 18:26.14 | cahoot | quittt: /etc/asound.conf is a system wide config file - $HOME/.asoundrc is the user specific counterpart |
| 18:26.24 | JRWR | why wont it open it |
| 18:26.24 | quittt | cahoot, man I cant make it |
| 18:26.26 | quittt | work |
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| 18:26.55 | abrotman | paulswm: and about once every other month i get "If you're ever in <blah> .. i'll get you a beer" :) |
| 18:26.58 | R4Ndom | It did not work.. I am still only allowed 800x600 |
| 18:27.01 | jetscreamer | JRWR, what happens if you do 'modprobe maestro' as root |
| 18:27.07 | JRWR | ill see |
| 18:27.23 | jetscreamer | you did say es1978, right? |
| 18:27.30 | paulswm | abrotman: yeah well if you're ever in central FL I'll let *you* buy the first one, heh |
| 18:27.45 | abrotman | paulswm: ok .. not a problem |
| 18:27.47 | JRWR | CAn't Locate module maestro |
| 18:27.57 | JRWR | O.o |
| 18:28.04 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, paste the monitor section of your xf86config-4 in #flood ... /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 18:28.17 | jetscreamer | jrwr was just a thought |
| 18:28.29 | jetscreamer | jrwr es1978 right? |
| 18:28.34 | JRWR | ys |
| 18:28.36 | JRWR | yes |
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| 18:29.28 | JRWR | its a ESS ES1978 maestro 2e (rev 10) |
| 18:29.30 | Doat | i cant start vsftpd! please someone help |
| 18:29.38 | JRWR | RTFM? |
| 18:29.46 | Vroum | Doat: hello first ? |
| 18:29.46 | Raf256 | how to put ~/bin/ in by PATH? |
| 18:29.46 | Doat | yea |
| 18:29.49 | abrotman | check the error log |
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| 18:30.02 | Doat | Vroum: hello? |
| 18:30.11 | abrotman | Raf256: export PATH=$PATH:~/bin/ |
| 18:30.16 | teprrr | hmm, where libx11-dev has disappeared? |
| 18:30.23 | rover | In the latest Sarge installer, is there an equivalent to the *initialize and mount a partition* step from previous installers? I already have the partition table the way I want it and I'm trying to preserve data on one of the partitions. |
| 18:30.28 | abrotman | er .. i guess leave off the trailing / |
| 18:30.30 | teprrr | Reinstallation of libx11-dev is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 18:30.35 | abrotman | rover: yes |
| 18:30.39 | abrotman | !ig |
| 18:30.39 | dpkg | i heard ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 18:30.43 | Doat | /etc/inti.d/vsftpd start doesnt say anything nor do anything |
| 18:30.43 | Raf256 | abrotman- in with file should i put it? putting it into /.profile didnt work |
| 18:30.49 | m0rbid|gone | Vroum: he's been here for some time now. |
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| 18:31.11 | Raf256 | abrotman- I ment: putting into ~/.profile didnt work |
| 18:31.14 | drp | !sarge |
| 18:31.14 | JRWR | why does every one keep saying my name |
| 18:31.14 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 18:31.33 | JRWR | <== nick name is wood |
| 18:31.33 | jetscreamer | jrwr so what does modprobe soundcore do |
| 18:31.40 | JRWR | let me see |
| 18:32.01 | jetscreamer | rover yes there is |
| 18:32.11 | R4Ndom | jetscreamer: should I paste just monitor, or screen as well? |
| 18:32.12 | abrotman | Raf256: try .bash_profile ? |
| 18:32.12 | Doat | goddammit wtf is wrong with this? |
| 18:32.20 | abrotman | or .bashrc .. or read the files and see what they say |
| 18:32.23 | JRWR | cant find it |
| 18:32.54 | abrotman | logs |
| 18:32.55 | jetscreamer | rover when i did expert26, i had to hit esc to back out of the partitioner and go back into it before i could do anything with it |
| 18:32.55 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, both wtf eh |
| 18:32.58 | JRWR | its like the drives are not there at all |
| 18:33.00 | JRWR | brb |
| 18:33.21 | R4Ndom | lol |
| 18:33.34 | paulswm | Raf256: if your .bash_profile sources .basrc, you can ut it in either, otherwise put it in .bash_profile and log out and in again. |
| 18:33.45 | paulswm | s/basrc/bashrc/ |
| 18:33.48 | Raf256 | paulswm- abrotman - it helped, thanx |
| 18:34.07 | JRWR | ibn |
| 18:34.19 | Vroum | m0rbid|gone: ok |
| 18:34.19 | mirak | is there a way to allow a user to log on another account with is own password ? |
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| 18:34.55 | jetscreamer | mirak, you mean like su? |
| 18:35.04 | jetscreamer | su isn't just for root |
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| 18:35.36 | R4Ndom | jetscreamer: pasted =) |
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| 18:36.10 | mirak | jetscreamer: yes, but when you su somebody, you need to enter the password of somebody account |
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| 18:36.13 | python_ | dous anyone know is there any drivers for an ipaq for debian |
| 18:36.15 | netsurfer | why is it every time I do make clean; make bzImage; make modules; make modules_install that I get unresolved symbols all over the place ? |
| 18:36.20 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, i have to suspect [12.34.07] <R4Ndom> HorizSync 50-60 VertRefresh 50-60 |
| 18:36.21 | python_ | it is running windows ce |
| 18:36.28 | jetscreamer | that's just not right imo |
| 18:36.48 | mirak | jetscreamer: what I want is probably simply sudo in fact |
| 18:36.49 | jetscreamer | netsurfer, man make-kpkg |
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| 18:37.15 | R4Ndom | What should it be? |
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| 18:37.19 | rover | jetscreamer: I'm going through the installation manual. Do I need to set debconf/priority=low to see that step in the actions list? |
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| 18:37.59 | paulswm | mirak: you are correct re sudo for what it seems like you want to do |
| 18:38.03 | JRWR | so by the looks of it i have NO sound drives at all |
| 18:38.04 | rover | jetscreamer: sorry, just saw your earlier answer. |
| 18:38.05 | jetscreamer | rover i never got into that debconf stuff for d-i ... all i know is expert26 at the boot prompt, and i had to back out of the partitioner and reneter to get functionality |
| 18:38.11 | jetscreamer | np |
| 18:38.31 | netsurfer | jetscreamer - ok |
| 18:38.49 | rover | jetscreamer: I'm doing an install from hard disk files. Can I put expert26 in the lilo append line? |
| 18:38.50 | JRWR | <== gets on goolge |
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| 18:39.04 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, what did google tell you your refresh was... R4Ndom what is the monitor's make and model |
| 18:39.12 | jetscreamer | rover, no idea :/ |
| 18:39.15 | RedPenguin | For most Debian installs, do you only need CD 1 (US)? I am curious because if I use the CD install, it sometimes ask for CD 2 or CD 3 but if I use HTTP as another apt-get source and do only CLI stuff, it never asks for another CD |
| 18:39.27 | jetscreamer | 1 cd yes |
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| 18:39.41 | R4Ndom | Monitor is a Gateway VX700 ... I thought it said 50hz/60hz |
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| 18:39.50 | JRWR | but its good to atlest have cd 2 for a fast install |
| 18:40.00 | JRWR | i downloaded all 7 cds |
| 18:40.17 | paulswm | R4Ndom: Do you have a dual boot with Windows? |
| 18:40.19 | python_ | you can download the netinstall if you have high banwith |
| 18:40.23 | python_ | i like that better |
| 18:40.24 | JRWR | ya |
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| 18:40.37 | R4Ndom | No, I installed it on it's own HDD |
| 18:40.48 | python_ | then you system has the most up to date programs anyway |
| 18:40.51 | python_ | :) |
| 18:40.53 | paulswm | R4Ndom: no windows on the PC then |
| 18:40.58 | JRWR | lol |
| 18:41.00 | JRWR | ya |
| 18:41.02 | R4Ndom | nope |
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| 18:41.43 | JRWR | so should i be worryed that i dont have ether maestro drivers and the soundcore |
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| 18:42.04 | paulswm | R4Ndom: the reason I was asking is that you could have gone into Windows, changed the resolutions and hit the monitor display button to see what rates it was using. But X should choose sensible rates anyway if you let it. |
| 18:42.13 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, try HorizSync 30-64 VertRefresh 50-100 |
| 18:42.20 | netbrain | hey guys, im new with lvm. so i was just wondering. if i were to expand my lvm drive /dev/bighd/lvol1 with an extra hd on 120 gb. then all i need to do is make a filesystem on /dev/hdxy and then use the vgextend , and lvextend command? |
| 18:42.28 | R4Ndom | Okay, hold on.. |
| 18:42.50 | RedPenguin | What man page do you look at to add things to Debian's boot? |
| 18:42.59 | paulswm | netbrain: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 18:44.07 | JRWR | i qit |
| 18:44.08 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, cancel that.... |
| 18:44.10 | JRWR | i quit |
| 18:44.13 | JRWR | i give up |
| 18:44.16 | paulswm | RedPenguin: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html |
| 18:44.25 | JRWR | maybe i just of just put windows in it |
| 18:44.40 | nvz | JRWR: sound problems? |
| 18:44.44 | JRWR | ya |
| 18:44.53 | R4Ndom | ?? |
| 18:45.00 | JRWR | it cant open the /dev/dsp |
| 18:45.04 | nvz | JRWR: ESS Maestro 2/2e/3/Allegro? whatever its called? |
| 18:45.08 | JRWR | ya |
| 18:45.23 | JRWR | its a ESS ES1978 maestro 2e (rev 10) |
| 18:45.29 | RedPenguin | ty |
| 18:45.36 | nvz | JRWR: can you give me specifics, what installer you used, what kernel? |
| 18:45.44 | JRWR | the lastest |
| 18:45.44 | RedPenguin | www.tldp.org is a great site |
| 18:45.48 | R4Ndom | jetscreamer, what should it be then? |
| 18:46.01 | JRWR | just downloaded it last night |
| 18:46.22 | nvz | JRWR: 3.1 Sarge ? Debian-installer rc2 i386? kernel 2.4.27 or 2.6.8? |
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| 18:46.42 | JRWR | im thinking 2.4.27 |
| 18:46.59 | paulswm | RedPenguin: you mean to start stuff after boot, OK, man update-rc.d :) |
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| 18:47.06 | RedPenguin | Deb still uses 2.4 by default right? |
| 18:47.06 | nvz | JRWR: I have a maestro 2e on the other box, I use the OSS maestro driver |
| 18:47.24 | RedPenguin | Anyone tried to use a 2.6 with Deb? |
| 18:47.33 | JRWR | do you know where i can find it |
| 18:47.38 | RedPenguin | paulswm, yeah thank you |
| 18:47.39 | RedPenguin | ;) |
| 18:47.41 | paulswm | RedPenguin: If you installed squid, the installer should have set it up to start on boot anyway |
| 18:47.47 | nvz | JRWR: do you know how to get a root console open? |
| 18:47.51 | JRWR | ya |
| 18:47.58 | JRWR | i do know this |
| 18:47.59 | RedPenguin | Yeah, I know, but I just like to know how to make sure without actually rebooting |
| 18:48.14 | teprrr | anyone knows if finnish and swedish mirrors are broken or what's going on there? |
| 18:48.17 | nvz | JRWR: you could use lsmod to see if soundcore and maestro are loaded |
| 18:48.21 | teprrr | and what does 990 stand for in apt-cache policy? |
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| 18:48.32 | nvz | JRWR: you could also use uname -r to see what kernel version you have |
| 18:49.08 | JRWR | it says 2.2.20-idepci |
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| 18:49.20 | nvz | teprrr: stands for man apt-cache, I guess if you don't know and I dont know |
| 18:49.33 | nvz | heh |
| 18:49.43 | JRWR | so just ismod will lis all the mods loaded |
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| 18:49.50 | JRWR | none of the two are |
| 18:49.58 | nvz | JRWR: so you downloaded Debian 3.0 i386, and installed woody? |
| 18:49.59 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, http://support.gateway.com/s/MONITOR/z01017/z0101712.shtml |
| 18:50.05 | JRWR | ya |
| 18:50.15 | jetscreamer | 990 is less than 1000 |
| 18:50.27 | nvz | JRWR: are you done with the installer and base-config? |
| 18:50.50 | GueVolt | Is Davide Puricelli enter here? |
| 18:50.54 | JRWR | 3.0 rc4 |
| 18:51.00 | JRWR | ya |
| 18:51.11 | JRWR | ive had it running for 18 hours now |
| 18:51.22 | teprrr | nvz, hmm. well, apt-cache's man page doesn't tell much about show command.. |
| 18:51.27 | JRWR | ive got disk 1-3 |
| 18:51.29 | netsurfer | jetscreamer - ffs i'd be quicker figuring out why I have unresolved symbols than learning that make-kpkg - i just wanna build a kernel and install it |
| 18:51.36 | netsurfer | lol |
| 18:51.39 | R4Ndom | thanks |
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| 18:52.07 | jetscreamer | netsurfer, never done it the old way ... make-kpkg just works though... try make-kpkg --targets in the source dir |
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| 18:52.21 | netsurfer | ok |
| 18:52.38 | jetscreamer | jrwr is this a server? get d-i then, my god man |
| 18:52.42 | R4Ndom | Should I reboot? |
| 18:52.44 | jetscreamer | if it's not a server |
| 18:52.51 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, no no need |
| 18:52.54 | JRWR | is a laptop |
| 18:52.57 | nvz | JRWR: what CPU? |
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| 18:53.01 | jetscreamer | get d-i jrwr |
| 18:53.04 | JRWR | P2 333mhz |
| 18:53.24 | nvz | JRWR: you have apt setup with all 3 cds in the cache? |
| 18:53.30 | JRWR | ya |
| 18:53.31 | R4Ndom | Okay, but that reminds me.. When I go to shut down Debian, it says power off, but I cannot turn off the computer. |
| 18:53.42 | JRWR | i know i ahve cd 1-2 in the cachw |
| 18:53.56 | JRWR | but the disk 3 i dont think i do i dont remeber |
| 18:53.58 | nvz | JRWR: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-386 |
| 18:53.58 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, you might need to restart your ?dm ... /etc/init.d/(xdm|gdm|kdm) |
| 18:54.19 | jetscreamer | ... /etc/init.d/(xdm|gdm|kdm) restart |
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| 18:54.59 | R4Ndom | Hmmm... It still does not show the 1024x768 option |
| 18:55.02 | nvz | JRWR: the 2.2.20-idepci means you are using an old 2.2 series, and the -idepci means its an idepci rescue kernel.. you want a real kernel |
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| 18:55.47 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, you have to do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and enter them there, choose advanced... R4Ndom if you hand edited the file, you need to read line 16 or so and do the md5sum thing |
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| 18:55.58 | JRWR | installing now |
| 18:56.30 | nvz | JRWR: are you using lilo? |
| 18:56.32 | netbrain | is there a debian package allowing to see the current transfer speeds of the mounted disks? |
| 18:56.40 | jetscreamer | there is no grub for woody eh |
| 18:56.43 | jetscreamer | or is there |
| 18:56.46 | JRWR | it says im must config my botloader (LILO) with initrd |
| 18:56.47 | usr010 | should bios b set 2 os/2 |
| 18:56.53 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 18:56.53 | dpkg | initrd is probably initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 18:56.55 | zinx | netbrain: yes, and you probably already have it |
| 18:57.02 | nvz | !info grub woody |
| 18:57.04 | dpkg | grub: (GRand Unified Bootloader), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.91-2 (woody), Packaged size: 241 kB, Installed size: 492 kB |
| 18:57.12 | zinx | netbrain: the 'hdparm' utility does it |
| 18:57.18 | JRWR | ... |
| 18:57.20 | nvz | jetscreamer: its optional |
| 18:57.22 | JRWR | ok ill add it |
| 18:57.27 | nvz | JRWR: add what? |
| 18:57.42 | JRWR | the opiton in lilo |
| 18:57.54 | JRWR | initrd |
| 18:58.07 | jetscreamer | JRWR, you add initrd=/initrd.img under the vmlinuz one ... check for the /initrd.img symlink that points to /boot/initblah ... ls -l / |
| 18:58.20 | jetscreamer | ls /boot |
| 18:58.43 | jetscreamer | when it's all done, rerun lilo |
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| 18:58.56 | nvz | !yinzersmite jetscreamer |
| 18:58.58 | R4Ndom | should i enter 30-86 kHz, or just 30-86 |
| 18:59.08 | jetscreamer | 30-86 |
| 18:59.17 | paulswm | netbrain: hdpart -tT /dev/<your disk or disks> |
| 18:59.23 | paulswm | s/part/parm/ |
| 18:59.43 | JRWR | so what should i be looking for in .boot |
| 18:59.49 | paulswm | Oh, already answered |
| 18:59.50 | nvz | JRWR: nothing |
| 18:59.53 | JRWR | ok |
| 18:59.58 | JRWR | should i just do it |
| 19:00.12 | jetscreamer | JRWR, you want to make sure there is a /initrd.img symlink that points to /boot/initrd.blah |
| 19:00.24 | JRWR | oh |
| 19:00.26 | R4Ndom | Still no luck.. |
| 19:00.28 | jetscreamer | ls -l / && ls /boot |
| 19:00.30 | JRWR | there not i dont think |
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| 19:01.00 | JRWR | brb |
| 19:01.02 | jetscreamer | ln -sn /initrd.img boot/initrd<tab> |
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| 19:01.55 | jetscreamer | R4Ndom, you compleated the reconfigure? do less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and see if your changes were written |
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| 19:02.08 | R4Ndom | less? |
| 19:02.11 | jetscreamer | less |
| 19:02.22 | R4Ndom | type in terminal? |
| 19:02.24 | jetscreamer | q to exit |
| 19:02.27 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 19:02.32 | guestish | hello |
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| 19:03.10 | netbrain | paulswm: thanks |
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| 19:03.59 | travisat | can you install debian on a mac mini |
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| 19:04.21 | PerfDave | If you want to check whether your X config is being updated by dpkg-reconfigure, "/msg dpkg x md5sum" and follow the instructions there. |
| 19:04.27 | zinx | travisat: probably, but why would you? :x |
| 19:04.38 | travisat | zinx: why not? |
| 19:05.03 | jetscreamer | PerfDave, i already told him to do that, but this was to check if he really did it :) |
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| 19:05.07 | zinx | travisat: because OS X is probably good enough :/ |
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| 19:05.21 | travisat | zinx: debian > osx imo |
| 19:05.26 | mxn | Hi. I'm trying to use cups/samba to print to a printer on a Windows machine on this LAN. I'm getting the NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED error. Any suggestions? |
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| 19:05.35 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Fair enough |
| 19:05.50 | R4Ndom | pasted in flood |
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| 19:06.03 | teprrr | umh, is there something wrong with mirrors as they don't have all packages inside of pool dir? |
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| 19:06.15 | JRWR | ok i ran the command you gave me |
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| 19:06.30 | jetscreamer | looks good to me R4Ndom |
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| 19:06.39 | jetscreamer | ok JRWR the symlink points correctly? |
| 19:06.43 | jetscreamer | rerun lilo then |
| 19:06.55 | R4Ndom | Yet, I still only have 800x600 |
| 19:07.06 | JRWR | i habe not even installed the kernal yet |
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| 19:07.14 | jetscreamer | did you restart the xserver R4Ndom ? |
| 19:07.27 | jetscreamer | ctrl+alt+bckspace |
| 19:07.29 | R4Ndom | I don't think so.. how? |
| 19:07.30 | nvz | JRWR: jetscreamer is up in the clouds |
| 19:07.44 | juleszz | Hi I am having trouble installing nvidia drivers im in sarge, it needs X server to be closed but I cant get a text mode without x running i have tried ctrl alt 3 at the gui logon to get text logon but when i run the nvidia.blah.run it says x is running and telinit 3 or init 3 just says sending term singal and has a blinking cursor, how do i enter a text mode with x not running or maybe disable x on startup and if so how do i re-enable it? |
| 19:07.46 | jetscreamer | ah ok install the kernel then |
| 19:07.53 | JRWR | my mom is just up my ass thats all |
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| 19:07.59 | quittt | I am out |
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| 19:08.01 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 19:08.01 | dpkg | [nvidia] To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 19:08.02 | jetscreamer | jules /etc/init.d/gdm kdm xdm stop |
| 19:08.03 | quittt | dmix wont work anyway |
| 19:08.04 | fbb | when i try to copy files to a winxp computer from my linux computer (through samba) the transfer is very slow, like ~25kb/s, does anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 19:08.11 | jetscreamer | choose one jules, the one you use |
| 19:08.11 | vgai | When i installed 2.4.x and bootet it up im getting this error: hda: lost interrupt - Hmm? |
| 19:08.26 | jetscreamer | juleszz rather |
| 19:08.39 | guestish | fbb: crappy wiring, too far to the target, 10 instead of 100 |
| 19:08.40 | travisat | JRWR: kinky ^-^ |
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| 19:08.46 | JRWR | ? |
| 19:08.48 | R4Ndom | much better |
| 19:08.51 | R4Ndom | thanks again |
| 19:08.53 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 19:08.54 | guestish | fbb: low processing power |
| 19:09.00 | Thrawn | Hey.... anyone know of any docs that explain how to set up a multihomed network (when I have two interfaces going, the second doesnt respond... If I have one, it works fine) |
| 19:09.01 | valdyn | juleszz: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 19:09.08 | guestish | Thrawn: you mean a wan? |
| 19:09.09 | jetscreamer | jinx@valdyn |
| 19:09.21 | Thrawn | guestish: 2 wan connections, 1 lan connection |
| 19:09.36 | guestish | Thrawn: you have to set up a router-router connect |
| 19:09.39 | guestish | connection* |
| 19:09.50 | quittt | DMIX is trash |
| 19:09.53 | quittt | this doesnt work |
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| 19:10.02 | jetscreamer | it's alsa, wtf do you want |
| 19:10.03 | guestish | Thrawn: and either encrpyt it, or dont |
| 19:10.14 | Thrawn | guestish: what do you mean router-router connection? |
| 19:10.17 | fbb | if i reboot into windowsxp on this computer and go winxp->winxp (through winxp file/printer sharing) its very fast |
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| 19:10.45 | guestish | Thrawn: you connect the 2 routers together through the network |
| 19:10.47 | valdyn | dmix works just fine |
| 19:10.51 | fbb | so wiring and distance cant be the problem |
| 19:10.56 | guestish | i guess thats just what a wan is |
| 19:10.58 | jetscreamer | JRWR, you can't make a symlink to a file that doesn't exist yet!!!!! |
| 19:11.05 | quittt | valdyn, HOW?? |
| 19:11.12 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 19:11.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 19:11.14 | quittt | valdyn, this thing simply DONT WORK |
| 19:11.18 | guestish | Thrawn: oh nvm, i misread it |
| 19:11.19 | Thrawn | guestish: im trying to use my linux box as the router |
| 19:11.20 | quittt | valdyn, it doesnt help |
| 19:11.24 | guestish | Thrawn: not a clue =P |
| 19:11.36 | Thrawn | k, thx anyways |
| 19:11.37 | valdyn | quittt: but using a .asoundrc like that and aswell having all sound apps use the default alsa device |
| 19:11.48 | jetscreamer | well i guess you could maybe |
| 19:11.53 | guestish | Thrawn: http://lartc.org/ |
| 19:11.56 | quittt | valdyn, doesnt work |
| 19:12.03 | valdyn | quittt: what doesnt work |
| 19:12.03 | quittt | valdyn, I try to listen music with Q3A |
| 19:12.06 | quittt | doesnt work |
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| 19:12.26 | valdyn | quittt: quake? does quake support alsa? |
| 19:12.32 | quittt | OSS |
| 19:12.35 | valdyn | quittt: so? |
| 19:12.41 | valdyn | quittt: oss != alsa |
| 19:12.41 | JRWR | oh no |
| 19:12.46 | JRWR | time to restart |
| 19:12.47 | juleszz | !nvidia |
| 19:12.47 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 19:12.52 | vgai | When i installed 2.4.x and bootet it up im getting this error: hda: lost interrupt - Hmm? |
| 19:12.59 | valdyn | quittt: start quake with aoss quake |
| 19:13.13 | Jon | crikey, nvidia drivers on testing is pretty involved innit |
| 19:13.16 | Thrawn | guestish: talks about split access; exactly what I was looking for, thanks :) |
| 19:13.22 | guestish | Thrawn: np |
| 19:13.25 | quittt | valdyn, tell me a thing |
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| 19:13.32 | quittt | valdyn, send me your .asound |
| 19:13.35 | TwoSchubert | hey, http://localhost/phpMyAdmin-2.6.1/index.php gives me a 404, but http://localhost/wordpress/wp-admin/index.php gives me info, telling me that it was imposible to establish a db connection. I'm trying to install wp, any ideas (I've read the doc)? |
| 19:13.44 | valdyn | quittt: its messy |
| 19:13.53 | quittt | valdyn, no problem |
| 19:13.57 | quittt | does it work? |
| 19:14.00 | quittt | if yes send me |
| 19:14.07 | chealer | TwoSchubert: no error message? |
| 19:14.21 | TwoSchubert | only a 404, not found |
| 19:14.29 | TwoSchubert | in /var/log stuff? |
| 19:14.33 | chealer | that's not a DB connection problem |
| 19:15.04 | TwoSchubert | yes, but when I try to access phpmyadmin in order to fix and to add a user, it gives me a 404 |
| 19:15.08 | chealer | weird, the version number of phpmyadmin is in the URL :? |
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| 19:15.23 | JRWR | OMG A KERNEL PANIC! |
| 19:15.29 | guestish | mm, coredump |
| 19:15.36 | penta | does anybody know how can i fix this problem http://paste.plone.org/582 |
| 19:15.46 | JRWR | UNable to mount root fs |
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| 19:15.53 | TwoSchubert | chealer, no, the dir includes the version number |
| 19:16.10 | tchino | gimp font in bold |
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| 19:16.27 | usr010 | how do i backup my ipod winxp formated disk over to debian |
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| 19:16.32 | TwoSchubert | (sorry),weren't ;) |
| 19:17.02 | JRWR | wow that sucks now what |
| 19:17.04 | jetscreamer | JRWR, you can't make a symlink to a file that doesn't exist yet!!!!! |
| 19:17.05 | tchino | gimp --> how get I the font in bold |
| 19:17.17 | JRWR | it made the syslink for me |
| 19:17.18 | valdyn | quittt: look at flood |
| 19:17.22 | jetscreamer | which is what youdid when you did that before you installed the kernel |
| 19:17.31 | quittt | valdyn, send me the file |
| 19:17.37 | jetscreamer | JRWR, check it again |
| 19:17.47 | jetscreamer | the symlink and where it points |
| 19:17.55 | JRWR | ill just reinstall |
| 19:18.00 | JRWR | with bf24 |
| 19:18.02 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:18.09 | JRWR | or mount it |
| 19:18.12 | jetscreamer | bad idea, use d-i if you're gonna go there |
| 19:18.26 | JRWR | ill just mount |
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| 19:18.38 | jetscreamer | just check the damn symlink |
| 19:18.46 | jetscreamer | much easier and faster |
| 19:18.50 | nkuttler | usr010: you should be able to mount it like a normal usb hd |
| 19:18.52 | JRWR | i will! |
| 19:18.54 | H4ppy` | Hi, what do i write to see the internalIP? |
| 19:18.58 | JRWR | my gof |
| 19:19.03 | jetscreamer | ifconfig |
| 19:19.06 | H4ppy` | thx |
| 19:19.15 | usr010 | its connected now what? under hdb |
| 19:19.20 | JRWR | i had to use rescie |
| 19:19.40 | jetscreamer | jrwr that's cool you can still do what you need |
| 19:19.47 | JRWR | ya |
| 19:19.53 | jetscreamer | jrwr i know i've done it a lot with the rescue of woody |
| 19:20.05 | JRWR | lol |
| 19:20.24 | JRWR | i whant to thank you for your help |
| 19:20.29 | jetscreamer | d-i doesn't have a rescue image either, which rally sucks when d-i borks |
| 19:20.31 | nkuttler | usr010: tail /var/log/messages |
| 19:20.38 | valdyn | quittt: its in flood |
| 19:20.40 | valdyn | quittt: try applications which _do_ support alsa first, once that works you can play with figuring things out for q3a |
| 19:20.43 | valdyn | quittt: beside that, i use 2 soundcards so that asoundrc is certainly overcomplicated for your purpose |
| 19:20.45 | jetscreamer | which it usually does for me, grub wise |
| 19:20.46 | sussudio | badger! |
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| 19:20.49 | valdyn | quittt: so alsao: http://valdyn.mine.nu/.asoundrc |
| 19:20.57 | H4ppy` | what do i write to change password on a user` |
| 19:20.58 | H4ppy` | ? |
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| 19:21.07 | jetscreamer | passwd |
| 19:21.09 | travisat | !badger sussudio |
| 19:21.10 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
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| 19:21.11 | TwoSchubert | hey, any ideas to acces phpMyAdmin home page? |
| 19:21.17 | chealer | TwoSchubert: what about http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ ? |
| 19:21.19 | JRWR | ... still says can start the sound sever |
| 19:21.20 | JRWR | lol |
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| 19:21.33 | shiz0 | hi, how can i change the unicode settings for console font? |
| 19:21.35 | TwoSchubert | chealer, it gives me a 404 |
| 19:21.42 | jetscreamer | JRWR, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:22.03 | chealer | TwoSchubert: you're sure you configured it right for your webserver? dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin |
| 19:22.06 | directhex | !dachs sussudio |
| 19:22.06 | dpkg | sussudio: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 19:22.10 | TwoSchubert | chealer, and if I access http://localhost/phpMyAdmin-2.6.1/index.php also |
| 19:22.12 | jetscreamer | shiz0, dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 19:22.19 | JRWR | lol |
| 19:22.21 | JRWR | im on 56k |
| 19:22.22 | shiz0 | jetscreamer thx |
| 19:22.25 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:22.30 | jetscreamer | well ok that sucks |
| 19:22.30 | TwoSchubert | chealer, hmmm, installed phpMyadmin from source... |
| 19:22.35 | JRWR | yep |
| 19:22.38 | sussudio | directhex: http://badgercam.webhop.org/ |
| 19:22.45 | akiru | Ive just done an install of Sarge on my computer and chose the linux26 (For kernel 2.6 option). Everything went ok, except that now when i try to boot debian, i get to grub, it selects Kernel 2.6.8 smp and then says "Uncompressing Linux, Ok, booting the kernel" and then just hangs. I left it went out and after 30 minutes it is still ilke that. Can anyone help? |
| 19:22.45 | sussudio | !boeni directhex |
| 19:22.46 | dpkg | directhex: Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Madarch Madarch Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Neidr O 'i S Neidr! |
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| 19:22.59 | chealer | TwoSchubert: well that's why. is it sitting right in /var/www/phpmyadmin ? |
| 19:23.02 | quittt | valdyn, to use that what should I do? |
| 19:23.09 | quittt | should I run a command to make it work? |
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| 19:23.11 | jetscreamer | JRWR, it WILL function, when it's properly configured... you realy don't need to reinstall |
| 19:23.28 | TwoSchubert | chealer, I think so, more precise in /var/www/phpMyAdmin-2.6.1/ |
| 19:23.40 | JRWR | initrd.img->/boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-386 |
| 19:23.44 | valdyn | quittt: to use what? |
| 19:23.45 | usr010 | how do i runn all aps as root in gui |
| 19:23.54 | quittt | valdyn, nothing |
| 19:23.57 | shiz0 | i just installed xfree86 and after that fluxbox (by apt), but when starting x it takes a lot of time until i get the fluxbox screen and changing the styletheme results in a xserver freeze...how could i fix that? |
| 19:23.59 | quittt | your config doesnt work here |
| 19:24.02 | nkuttler | usr010: you don't... |
| 19:24.06 | chealer | TwoSchubert: you have the right permission, but it gives a 404 on existing files? |
| 19:24.13 | jetscreamer | akiru, you need to use a boot floppy or rescue cd and reconfigure grub or install lilo |
| 19:24.17 | valdyn | quittt: sure not, its setting up dmix for my second sound interface |
| 19:24.21 | usr010 | ah but i cant open messages |
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| 19:24.35 | websdale | akiru:why are you using an smp kernel image? |
| 19:24.38 | jetscreamer | usr010, kde? |
| 19:24.39 | nkuttler | usr010: messages? |
| 19:24.40 | tobo | anyone here running nfsv4 with kerberos authentication, i managed to set this up on my server but get some errors when using other computer as client... |
| 19:24.42 | usr010 | gnome |
| 19:24.48 | usr010 | move to kde? |
| 19:24.50 | valdyn | quittt: and aswell setting the default sound device to the second |
| 19:24.57 | jetscreamer | usr010, no, i was just asking |
| 19:24.58 | JRWR | the syslink i think is fine |
| 19:25.03 | jetscreamer | symlink |
| 19:25.04 | TwoSchubert | chealer, yes, but what annoys me is that I can access localhost/wordpress/wp-admin/index.php and can't access phpMyAdmin stuff... both with chown and chmod root... |
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| 19:25.28 | roel-_ | is adduser preferred over useradd? |
| 19:25.29 | jetscreamer | jrwr paste it in #flood, also paste the stanza from lilo.conf |
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| 19:25.38 | JRWR | the symlink is initrd.img->/boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-386 |
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| 19:25.43 | jetscreamer | yes roel-_ it's more user-friendly is why |
| 19:25.54 | roel-_ | ok thanks |
| 19:25.54 | JRWR | wow hang on let me get a floppy |
| 19:26.01 | roel- | hm |
| 19:26.04 | chealer | TwoSchubert: chown root? why not www-data? |
| 19:26.31 | akiru | jetscreamer, um... why reconfigure grub? surely if it has been autoconfigured, it should be fine |
| 19:26.31 | usr010 | so i have to "suck it up" and read messages in terminal? |
| 19:26.31 | akiru | websdale, because that is what it installed for me. |
| 19:26.31 | nkuttler | usr010: wtf are 'messages'? |
| 19:26.38 | jetscreamer | akiru, can't tell the damn thing never works on a fresh d-i install for me either |
| 19:26.48 | jetscreamer | and it didn't work for you either |
| 19:26.51 | azreal | shiz0: its probably the fbdev section in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, thats causeing the delay. try commenting it out. |
| 19:27.02 | yalu | I wonder why wine is only packaged for i386. wouldn't it be possible to compile and run open source windows programs under it? |
| 19:27.04 | akiru | webmind, jetscreamer i am a gentoo user, so ive no problem loading it up and manually editing grub, im used to getting under the hood and doing things by hand, but im just puzzled as to why it hasnt worked out of box. |
| 19:27.19 | TwoSchubert | chealer, hmm, /var/www/wordpress is chowned root, and I can access it... |
| 19:27.20 | valdyn | yalu: no, thats not possible |
| 19:27.21 | jetscreamer | akiru, beats me... works for other ppl, never for me though |
| 19:27.27 | yalu | valdyn: why not? |
| 19:27.28 | akiru | jetscreamer, ok, thanks, ill fiddle :) |
| 19:27.46 | webmind | akiru, ? |
| 19:27.52 | valdyn | yalu: wine implements the 32 bit api, cant just recompile that for different arches |
| 19:27.59 | chealer | TwoSchubert: if you're 7**, sure you can. how is phpmyadmin? and why do you install from source?? |
| 19:28.04 | akiru | webmind, sorry i meant websdale |
| 19:28.12 | webmind | k |
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| 19:28.13 | websdale | akiru:wasn't a normal 2.6.8 kernel offered - I installed sarge & it didn't make me install a multi processor kernel |
| 19:28.20 | jetscreamer | i always purge grub and install lilo |
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| 19:28.25 | Rbk2 | http://olsza-w-no.blog.onet.pl Bitte.... |
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| 19:28.33 | usr010 | Wtf who gave away the lsd? |
| 19:28.35 | JRWR | also wile im formatting the floppy |
| 19:28.39 | shiz0 | azreal i cant find any fbdev entry in my XF86Config-4 |
| 19:28.43 | usr010 | all!ofit!? |
| 19:28.48 | JRWR | is there a way for windows to read a ext2 filesystem |
| 19:28.51 | akiru | websdale, i just picked linux26, there was expert and normal mode and i wanted to install it quickly so i picked normal |
| 19:29.00 | shiz0 | JRWR no |
| 19:29.03 | caphuso | JRWR: explore2fs |
| 19:29.08 | nkuttler | JRWR: explore2fs iirc |
| 19:29.12 | azreal | shiz0: nothing related to fb(dev) at all? |
| 19:29.15 | shiz0 | caphuso there is? |
| 19:29.16 | TwoSchubert | chealer, sorry, it was a dumb permission problem |
| 19:29.19 | jetscreamer | yeah explore2fs works great |
| 19:29.22 | shiz0 | azreal nothing |
| 19:29.23 | caphuso | shiz0: explore2fs |
| 19:29.27 | valdyn | yalu: theoretically wine could be recompilable to run 64 bit windows apps on amd64 for example, but since wine is older than amd64 it could not have known how to do that in advance.. |
| 19:29.37 | chealer | TwoSchubert: hehe. at least I must have done that myself sometime :) |
| 19:29.40 | JRWR | ok what do you whant me to do agen ket |
| 19:29.42 | JRWR | jet* |
| 19:29.43 | shiz0 | caphuso didnt know that , JRWR sorry |
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| 19:29.57 | Taza | I'm having a problem installing debian... I'm using an old machine, and it installed base system fine, but now when trying to configure apt it won't connect anywhere - thus far tried ftp.fi.debian.org (timed out), ftp.se.debian.org (says the IP for it is 1.0.0.0 and times out), ftp.uk.debian.org (same thing as with ftp.se.debian.org)... Net install started from floppies and no idea if the ethernet card is configured right - everything works perfect on this m |
| 19:30.03 | TwoSchubert | chealer, yes ;) the second time isn't as hard one |
| 19:30.23 | jetscreamer | ok jrwr ls -l /init* && ls /boot/init* match, correct? |
| 19:30.35 | JRWR | ya |
| 19:30.41 | JRWR | the symlink is initrd.img->/boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-386 |
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| 19:30.52 | jetscreamer | see that just looks wrong |
| 19:30.59 | reamtS | !me sarge |
| 19:30.59 | dpkg | moi? |
| 19:31.01 | jetscreamer | 16? |
| 19:31.02 | TwoSchubert | shit, http://localhost/phpMyAdmin-2.6.1/index.php gives me : #2002 - Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) |
| 19:31.11 | jetscreamer | jrwr ls /boot/init* |
| 19:31.13 | reamtS | !reamts sarge |
| 19:31.34 | JRWR | how do i edit it |
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| 19:31.46 | resiak | reamtS: What are you trying to do?! |
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| 19:32.15 | else | why is my ipod only recognized after a restart? |
| 19:32.16 | reamtS | Want to know when is Sarge releasing |
| 19:32.17 | chealer | TwoSchubert: next time, install from source or at least tell that you did if you do |
| 19:32.19 | jetscreamer | jrwr ls /boot/init* |
| 19:32.27 | chealer | !tell reamtS about wwsr |
| 19:32.27 | shiz0 | azreal i guess i have to reinstall OS then... |
| 19:32.32 | hil | else: maybe hotplug isn't enabled |
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| 19:32.55 | JRWR | will this cmd work ln -sn /intitrd.img boot/intitrd |
| 19:33.06 | jetscreamer | jrwr ls /boot/init* |
| 19:33.13 | TwoSchubert | chealer, ok, now dealing with #2002 - Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) |
| 19:33.18 | resiak | !topicsmite reamtS |
| 19:33.19 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon reamtS. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:33.24 | jetscreamer | you misspelled initrd anyway |
| 19:33.30 | JRWR | ok just ls /boot/init |
| 19:33.35 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:33.37 | resiak | Heh, a ramdrive in tit. |
| 19:33.38 | jetscreamer | jrwr ls /boot/init* |
| 19:33.41 | JRWR | ok |
| 19:33.43 | jetscreamer | note the * |
| 19:34.28 | JRWR | did that |
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| 19:34.32 | chealer | TwoSchubert: I don't remember, but pay attention to how you started mysql |
| 19:34.35 | JRWR | it printed out 2 files |
| 19:34.39 | azreal | shiz0: no, its probably one of the Modules thats causeing it to stall, just try commenting them out one at a time until you figure out what one it is |
| 19:34.54 | jetscreamer | paste in #flood |
| 19:35.20 | jetscreamer | or just paste the highest version #'d one here |
| 19:35.25 | jetscreamer | one line only |
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| 19:36.16 | jetscreamer | gd telepathy is slow as hell today |
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| 19:36.23 | JRWR | i pasted it |
| 19:36.26 | jetscreamer | bandwidth exceeded? |
| 19:36.27 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.34 | Xemacs_ | Is sunday over yet ? |
| 19:36.51 | JRWR | so? |
| 19:36.56 | jetscreamer | jrwr ls /boot/init* |
| 19:37.01 | JRWR | i did |
| 19:37.10 | JRWR | ls printed this /boot/initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-386 |
| 19:37.11 | jetscreamer | no you pasted ls -l /init* |
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| 19:37.17 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 19:37.19 | chealer | Xemacs_: no, it ends in two days |
| 19:37.28 | jetscreamer | wait |
| 19:37.51 | jetscreamer | jrwr is /boot/initrd a symlink? |
| 19:37.57 | JRWR | let me see |
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| 19:38.09 | JRWR | yes |
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| 19:38.25 | JRWR | to boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-386 |
| 19:38.34 | JRWR | to /boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-386 |
| 19:38.45 | jetscreamer | ok now what does ls -l /init* return? |
| 19:38.49 | jetscreamer | exactly. |
| 19:38.58 | mxn | Hi. I can print to a printer on a Windows machine (via samba/cups), but only from certain apps: e.g. gedit. Specifically, the Gnome 2 (I think) printing panel seems to let me do this. How can I print from other apps? |
| 19:39.05 | JRWR | lots |
| 19:39.14 | JRWR | hang on |
| 19:39.15 | jetscreamer | paste it in flood |
| 19:39.16 | akiru | jetscreamer, i tried to boot from the disk, ive got my prompt, run fdisk on /dev/hda and found that one of the partitions hd2 is W95 Ext'd or something, which isnt something ive ever seen before. What setup do you have for your partition tables? |
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| 19:40.01 | tull | hello. I have the new module-init-tools now for my new compiled 2.6 kernel! |
| 19:40.03 | jetscreamer | akiru, your logical drive is going to be hda5 |
| 19:40.11 | tull | i still dont have the b44 module loading. |
| 19:40.17 | tull | 44: Unknown symbol generic_mii_ioctl |
| 19:40.18 | jetscreamer | extended partition, logical drive |
| 19:40.19 | JRWR | how do i copy from from konsloe |
| 19:40.28 | jetscreamer | ugh |
| 19:40.33 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 19:40.41 | JRWR | ... |
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| 19:40.44 | jetscreamer | you don't mean kde konsole you mean console eh |
| 19:40.52 | jetscreamer | no biggie |
| 19:41.04 | JRWR | how aboout bash |
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| 19:41.10 | jetscreamer | how many symlinks named initrd* do you have in / jrwr |
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| 19:41.30 | JRWR | 1 |
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| 19:41.42 | jetscreamer | ok exactly where does it point again |
| 19:41.51 | JRWR | to /boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-386 |
| 19:41.55 | jetscreamer | ls -la |
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| 19:42.01 | akiru | jetscreamer, as in,... (root) / ? |
| 19:42.03 | Taza_insane | Grr @ Hard reboots. Needed it though... |
| 19:42.03 | jetscreamer | err ls -l /initrd.img |
| 19:42.28 | chealer | JRWR: man bash, "Killing and Yanking" |
| 19:42.49 | akiru | jetscreamer, you see to me, hd1, hd2, hd5 is just a really weird setup. I cant imagine why that is the out of box setting.. |
| 19:42.50 | jetscreamer | akiru, where did you install linux? |
| 19:42.59 | JRWR | cant find ti |
| 19:43.01 | JRWR | it* |
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| 19:43.34 | JRWR | No such file |
| 19:44.07 | jetscreamer | jrwr, ln -sn /initrd.img /boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-386 |
| 19:44.27 | jetscreamer | .16? you sure? |
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| 19:44.59 | jetscreamer | akiru, you can have 4 primary partitions... hda1 2 3 4 ... any logical drive in an extended partition will start at hda5 |
| 19:45.00 | akiru | jetscreamer, im not sure.. |
| 19:45.15 | jetscreamer | the .16 was for jrwr |
| 19:45.17 | akiru | jetscreamer, i want to make 3 partitions, swap, /boot and / |
| 19:45.20 | JRWR | yes |
| 19:45.25 | JRWR | 2.4.16 |
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| 19:45.28 | jetscreamer | jrwr ok type that command |
| 19:45.34 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.38 | JRWR | it says |
| 19:45.51 | H4ppy` | how can i see how good my CPU is and how much ram i have ? |
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| 19:45.58 | modlost | ls |
| 19:45.59 | JRWR | no such file |
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| 19:46.11 | H4ppy` | just write ls? |
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| 19:46.26 | jetscreamer | JRWR, ls /boot/initrd* |
| 19:46.31 | Taza_insane | I've narrowed down the problem for me a bit - at apt configuration, Debian got it's IP's compared to names all wrong. |
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| 19:46.34 | ralf | Ciao |
| 19:46.36 | ralf | hi |
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| 19:46.49 | ralf | can i send a file to someone to see if my router is ok? |
| 19:46.50 | tull | hello again. |
| 19:46.55 | akiru | jetscreamer, hold that thought, i gotta nip out for 10 :) |
| 19:47.02 | JRWR | nothing |
| 19:47.04 | tull | my modprobe is failing with FATAL: Error inserting b44 (/lib/modules/2.6.6-rc3-mm2/kernel/drivers/net/b44.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg |
| 19:47.07 | H4ppy` | how can i see how good my CPU is and how much ram i have? |
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| 19:47.10 | nkuttler | H4ppy`: /proc/cpuinfo and meminfo |
| 19:47.14 | chealer | H4ppy`: no, that wasn't for you |
| 19:47.16 | H4ppy` | thanks |
| 19:47.18 | tull | does anyone have any idea what this is? |
| 19:47.21 | chealer | !repeat |
| 19:47.21 | dpkg | repeat is probably if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask about "smart questions" |
| 19:47.26 | s0kr4m1 | wenaz :D |
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| 19:47.43 | Assid | hi |
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| 19:47.55 | jetscreamer | !find kernel-image-2.4.18 woody |
| 19:47.56 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.4.18' (7 shown): kernel-image-2.4.18-386 ;; kernel-image-2.4.18-586tsc ;; kernel-image-2.4.18-686 ;; kernel-image-2.4.18-686-smp ;; kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 ;; kernel-image-2.4.18-k6 ;; kernel-image-2.4.18-k7. |
| 19:47.57 | Assid | has anyone configured apache2 on sarge ? |
| 19:48.07 | kurumin | ai blz |
| 19:48.10 | chealer | Assid: no, it's working by luck |
| 19:48.13 | JRWR | ls /initrd* did not show any thing |
| 19:48.21 | JRWR | (reinstalling pkg) |
| 19:48.28 | Assid | chealer: i keep getting this error: exports.c:115:2: #endif without #if |
| 19:48.28 | Assid | make[2]: *** [exports.lo] Error 1 |
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| 19:48.44 | kurumin | hellow |
| 19:49.00 | JRWR | i see a 2.4.18 |
| 19:49.06 | JRWR | can i install that |
| 19:49.10 | jetscreamer | JRWR, apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-(386|k7|686) -<<--pick one |
| 19:49.19 | jetscreamer | JRWR, what cpu? |
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| 19:49.34 | _rene_ | jetscreamer: you forgot k6 |
| 19:49.40 | JRWR | p2 |
| 19:49.47 | JRWR | ix86 |
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| 19:49.53 | JRWR | pII 333mhz |
| 19:50.00 | chealer | Assid: and when do you get that? |
| 19:50.08 | _rene_ | hmm. p2. was that 586 or already 686? |
| 19:50.11 | Assid | when i am compiling apache2 from source |
| 19:50.16 | chealer | 686 |
| 19:50.32 | jetscreamer | ok jrwr pick 686 one then |
| 19:50.41 | H4ppy` | will there be any problem if i insert a new CPU, do i have to install anything then? |
| 19:50.42 | jetscreamer | JRWR, apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 |
| 19:51.06 | JRWR | it gives me a waring |
| 19:51.11 | jetscreamer | about? |
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| 19:51.15 | jetscreamer | initrd? |
| 19:51.15 | JRWR | about configing lilo |
| 19:51.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:51.26 | chealer | Assid: checked the BTS? |
| 19:51.30 | JRWR | ya |
| 19:51.31 | jetscreamer | ok so did you add initrd=/initrd.img in lilo.conf? |
| 19:51.35 | JRWR | no |
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| 19:51.37 | jetscreamer | under vmlinuz? |
| 19:51.40 | JRWR | never did |
| 19:51.41 | jetscreamer | you'll need to |
| 19:51.53 | JRWR | whats vmlinuz? |
| 19:51.54 | elvirolo_ | hi there ... could anyone tell me how to change my default login manager from kdm to entrance ? |
| 19:52.05 | elvirolo_ | brb |
| 19:52.10 | jetscreamer | JRWR, it's a symlink :) ls -l /vmlinuz |
| 19:52.36 | JRWR | to what? |
| 19:52.37 | jetscreamer | JRWR, but in /etc/lilo.conf, it's a stanza/section/boot thingy |
| 19:52.50 | jetscreamer | jrwr, to /boot/vmlinuz-blah |
| 19:52.58 | jetscreamer | JRWR, aka the kernel |
| 19:53.03 | jetscreamer | i think |
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| 19:53.12 | Herodes | hi.... |
| 19:53.19 | JRWR | where should i add initrd=/initrd.img |
| 19:53.36 | JRWR | in the config file for lilo |
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| 19:53.45 | jetscreamer | JRWR, in /etc/lilo.conf , scroll most of the way down, look for vmlinuz= ... under that. |
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| 19:54.03 | JRWR | theres 2 of them! |
| 19:54.07 | jetscreamer | above vmlinuz.old |
| 19:54.13 | JRWR | vmlinuz.old |
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| 19:54.14 | JRWR | ok |
| 19:54.28 | jetscreamer | do it in the vmlinuz one, not the vmlinuz.old one |
| 19:54.44 | JRWR | done |
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| 19:54.48 | jetscreamer | but next kernel upgrade, you'll need to do that again for .old.. (don't do it yet though) |
| 19:55.11 | fertokra | any irc chan with apt devs on ? |
| 19:55.16 | JRWR | should i go ahead with the kerel upgrade |
| 19:55.21 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 19:55.31 | Herodes | for try to up a script firewall over the host router throught ssh, why this not works? -->http://pastebin.com/238546 .ssh is set as no intractive |
| 19:55.35 | nkuttler | fertokra: sure. why? |
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| 19:55.47 | JRWR | its doing something |
| 19:56.17 | JRWR | reading/writeing to the HD |
| 19:56.20 | Narg | Anyone gotten an "airplus xtremeG 4.0" wireless internet working? |
| 19:56.26 | Narg | or know how? |
| 19:56.30 | fertokra | nkuttler, i sent a message at deity@ but i cannot see it at the archive, the message was containing a script, i do not want to send it twice |
| 19:56.36 | PerfDave | Narg: Is it Linux compatiable? ;) |
| 19:56.38 | JRWR | should i go with A or B |
| 19:56.42 | Narg | not suer |
| 19:56.49 | vulture | Herodes: read the docs for ssh, it takes an optional [command] parameter |
| 19:56.53 | PerfDave | Narg: Don't you think you should've checked before you bought it? ;) |
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| 19:57.00 | PerfDave | Narg: Google may be your best friend here. |
| 19:57.03 | vulture | Herodes: (the man page that is) |
| 19:57.04 | reamtS | I have two linux machine, Linux_machine_1 has all the users and passwords. Is it possible to set Linux_machine_2 to share Linux_machine_1's users and passworld (/etc/passwd & /etc/shadow), so users can logon Linux_machine_2 with the same password? |
| 19:57.07 | JRWR | delete the old symlink or do nothing |
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| 19:57.17 | Candrejo | hello |
| 19:57.18 | PerfDave | reamtS: Yes. NIS or LDAP. |
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| 19:57.44 | reamtS | PerfDave: roger!, thx |
| 19:57.45 | JRWR | jet |
| 19:57.58 | Candrejo | Anybody want to spaetk to me |
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| 19:58.15 | nkuttler | !tell Candrejo about ask |
| 19:58.23 | Araldit | I have noticed that my debian box no longer updates the menus in gnome or Debians own debian menu.. What can there be done to this |
| 19:58.23 | jetscreamer | JRWR, flood |
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| 19:58.43 | ElVirolo_ | so, could anyone help me with my problem ? |
| 19:58.51 | jetscreamer | !wayttd Candrejo |
| 19:58.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Candrejo? |
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| 19:59.09 | JRWR | delete the old symlink or do nothing |
| 19:59.29 | nkuttler | !tell Candrejo about msg |
| 19:59.29 | Candrejo | so I dont know |
| 19:59.29 | JRWR | it has asked me this |
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| 19:59.29 | Candrejo | Im a new chatter |
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| 19:59.41 | Candrejo | and i dont know the system |
| 19:59.47 | nkuttler | Candrejo: welcome :) |
| 19:59.49 | JRWR | remove the old symlink or do nothing |
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| 20:00.17 | Candrejo | How can I open a privatte with anybody? |
| 20:00.19 | Taza | Could a misconfigured or downright wrong ethernet card driver cause DNS problems? |
| 20:00.21 | valdyn | Candrejo: try to ask a question that enables us to give a useful answer |
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| 20:00.36 | valdyn | Candrejo: /msg <nick>, but dont do that |
| 20:00.36 | reamtS | PerfDave: which one is better NIS or LDAP? |
| 20:00.37 | fertokra | nkuttler, did you saw my awnser.... ? |
| 20:00.48 | Candrejo | Im running the X-Chat in linux |
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| 20:01.00 | valdyn | Candrejo: that works in xchat too |
| 20:01.01 | qpee | hi, i'm on sarge and want to use evolution2; when i do an upgrade on my box, it says evolution is kept back. what does that mean, and can i 'ignore' that or can't it be installed |
| 20:01.16 | nkuttler | fertokra: no idea what deity is good for, sure you don't want the bts? |
| 20:01.17 | Taza | Candrejo: IIRC, doubleclicking one's name or /query |
| 20:01.37 | kvossen | Should fstab be world-readable? |
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| 20:01.40 | Candrejo | Can you open a privatte with me? |
| 20:02.08 | nkuttler | Candrejo: if you have a question, ask it here, please. |
| 20:02.10 | valdyn | Candrejo: try "/msg dpkg ask" |
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| 20:02.57 | fertokra | nkuttler, i want to sent my script to the apt devs, they are not on the deity mailing list ? it is not a bug but a proposal so i do not know if it fits on the BTS |
| 20:02.58 | Candrejo | All people run in Linux system??? |
| 20:03.18 | valdyn | Candrejo: all people are male? |
| 20:03.25 | PerfDave | reamtS: LDAP is more powerful (and probably more secure) but more tricky to set up. |
| 20:03.35 | Candrejo | male and female... it? the same |
| 20:03.38 | nkuttler | fertokra: you could go to #debian-dev... but i guess there's a apt mailing list which would probably be better |
| 20:04.03 | Candrejo | I usually run mIRC |
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| 20:04.17 | Candrejo | but X-Chat its new for me |
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| 20:04.44 | valdyn | Candrejo: you should get along fine, xchat is quite similar |
| 20:04.45 | Dallam | Candrejo, there's lots of info on xchat if you google for it. |
| 20:04.51 | Petro | PerfDave: You're such a spoofer |
| 20:05.00 | PerfDave | Petro: I am? |
| 20:05.07 | Taza | It's not I like Windows but this machine doesn't have the HDD space to install a second OS and linux has problems with games... and seeing how much of a pain debian is to install, I'll think I'll use a another distro if I use it for anything complex. |
| 20:05.09 | paulswm | !beer PerfDave |
| 20:05.31 | PerfDave | Petro: To be fair, my IRC client is connecting over ssh tunnels to a RedHat sparc64 machine running irssi as a proxy, so I've got 3 OSen in there ;) |
| 20:05.31 | Taza | Were Mac not so awful with games, I would get one. ;p |
| 20:05.33 | Petro | !beer Petro |
| 20:05.43 | paulswm | !beat Taza for running XP and dissing debian |
| 20:05.45 | Petro | yay |
| 20:05.52 | paulswm | s/XP/2000/ |
| 20:05.55 | nkuttler | Taza: you can run all games that are in debian + mac ones. |
| 20:05.59 | Candrejo | There are somebody from spain? |
| 20:06.01 | Taza | I'm not running XP, but 2000. |
| 20:06.08 | Taza | And Debian IS a pain to set up. |
| 20:06.14 | PerfDave | Taza: Debian's a piece of piss to install. And linux has Enemy Territory, Doom 3 and Alpha Centauri, what more do you need? |
| 20:06.14 | nkuttler | Candrejo: /msg dpkg spanish |
| 20:06.23 | travisat | !beat Taza for running Windows 2000 and dissing debian |
| 20:06.31 | Taza | Especially now. It won't autodetect my hardware. :( |
| 20:06.32 | Petro | Taza: Yep, I figured that out too when I installed every single package |
| 20:06.53 | PerfDave | Taza: I can get a fully-working Sarge desktop in under 45 minutes, which is more than I can say for Win2K last time I reinstalled it ;) |
| 20:06.53 | paulswm | Taza: I have never found sarge to be a pain to install, and have it running on three widely difffering boxes |
| 20:07.02 | Taza | I'm actually installing woody. :p |
| 20:07.16 | PerfDave | Actually, last time I reinstalled Win2K I just booted Linux and restored an image using partimage ;) |
| 20:07.17 | valdyn | Taza: if you install woody for games - thats your problem |
| 20:07.19 | bilbo_ | Hello, did anybody have a problem with samba and nfs running slowly? is there something I am missing? |
| 20:07.28 | PerfDave | Taza: Oh, well, I can get a fully-working Woody desktop in under an hour ;) |
| 20:07.44 | Taza | And I have NO idea what the ethernet card is and apparently I guessed wrong, seeing it translates ftp.se.debian.org to 1.0.0.0 |
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| 20:08.14 | PerfDave | Taza: lspci should tell you what it is, if it's a PCI card. |
| 20:08.20 | Taza | It's not. |
| 20:08.36 | Taza | It's a old compaq p1. And the other machine is a Olivetti PCS 46/C |
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| 20:09.07 | valdyn | !confuse Taza |
| 20:09.07 | dpkg | No, them are our pants yesterday, Taza? breeches of the people's republic of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 20:09.13 | fertokra | nkuttler, what i need is someone subscribed to deity@lists.debian.org to tell me if my original message reached them |
| 20:09.40 | Taza | But is it the ethernet card module getting the DNS wrong? Or could the problem be elsewhere? (It's not in the router, working fine on this machine.) |
| 20:09.52 | valdyn | Taza: those things are not directly related |
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| 20:10.44 | Taza | It "appears" to work, it installed the base system fine, now when trying to configure apt to use ftp.se.debian.org or ftp.uk.debian.org as a source it redirects to 1.0.0.0... -_- |
| 20:11.31 | Taza | Can I just feed ftp.se.debian.org's IP as a source and rely on that? :p |
| 20:11.50 | valdyn | Taza: sure |
| 20:12.01 | valdyn | Taza: maybe not for all times, but for now, sure |
| 20:12.20 | Taza | 'cause it seems to be getting DNS wrong all the time... could a faulty ethernet card or the wrong, "close-enough" module be causing that? |
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| 20:12.35 | parityflag | hi |
| 20:12.38 | valdyn | Taza: i told you, those things arent directly related |
| 20:12.45 | Taza | kk. |
| 20:13.07 | parityflag | ppp/adsl/zyxel router - gurus here? |
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| 20:13.42 | valdyn | Taza: your nameserver should be in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 20:13.50 | parityflag | http://nopaste.php-q.net/113161 |
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| 20:14.04 | parityflag | can anybody tell me if everything is ok? |
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| 20:15.00 | tull | Hi, im installing Mplayer and ./configure --enable-gui fails! it says GUI needs GTK devel packages. Which packages are these? |
| 20:15.37 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 20:15.37 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 20:15.49 | JRWR | MY GOD IS HAS SOUND! |
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| 20:16.15 | valdyn | tull: probably libgtk1.2-dev |
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| 20:16.40 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 20:16.44 | JRWR | what pkg will automount a CD |
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| 20:17.02 | valdyn | JRWR: using gnome? |
| 20:17.09 | JRWR | kde |
| 20:17.19 | JRWR | i like kde better |
| 20:17.21 | jetscreamer | gnome and kde have that functionality, but there is autofs iirc |
| 20:17.39 | valdyn | JRWR: yea, i just dont know kde, so cannot help you |
| 20:18.00 | jetscreamer | JRWR, you won't like woody's kde |
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| 20:18.13 | JRWR | i like it so far |
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| 20:18.20 | jetscreamer | least i didn't... or it's gnome... but the woody kde is much better than the woody gnome i think |
| 20:18.52 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.58 | PerfDave | tull: Why are you compiling mplayer? |
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| 20:19.06 | PerfDave | tull: And where are you compiling it? |
| 20:19.19 | JRWR | anywho |
| 20:19.33 | jetscreamer | speaking of compile: i want to compile gnome-media source what do i do |
| 20:19.38 | jetscreamer | i have the source |
| 20:19.44 | jetscreamer | i have apt-build |
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| 20:19.53 | JRWR | time to recompile all the crap i tryed with 2.2 that did not work |
| 20:19.59 | Servo888 | Anybody know how to find the address port of /dev/usb/ttyUSB0? It's structured as something like 0x0000 |
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| 20:20.05 | tull | valdyn thanks. its working now. |
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| 20:21.11 | jetscreamer | JRWR, go sarge, one day... start a slow bandwidth limited wget of a full sarge .iso, let it take a week or more |
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| 20:21.19 | JRWR | lol |
| 20:21.24 | JRWR | i use AOL |
| 20:21.43 | jetscreamer | !comfort JRWR |
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| 20:21.44 | dpkg | There, there, JRWR. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:21.56 | JRWR | im trying to compile peng now |
| 20:22.08 | jetscreamer | JRWR, wget has resume... let it take a while, won't hurt |
| 20:22.24 | JRWR | i now |
| 20:22.26 | cortex | My debian system regularly locks up from pdflush using all cpu, is anyone else seeing this? Are there settings for pdflush that i can tweak somewhere? |
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| 20:23.15 | jetscreamer | i don't know how to compile anything except a kernel, heeeelllp!!!! |
| 20:23.20 | JRWR | lol! |
| 20:23.26 | jetscreamer | seriously |
| 20:23.30 | JRWR | RTFM |
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| 20:23.32 | Taza | Thanks valdyn, got it somehow working. Somewhat. |
| 20:23.34 | JRWR | most of the time |
| 20:23.40 | JRWR | it tells you what to do |
| 20:23.40 | caphuso | JRWR: you don't compile stuff as root |
| 20:23.50 | JRWR | a dialer you do |
| 20:24.05 | caphuso | JRWR: no, you never compile anything as root |
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| 20:24.12 | jetscreamer | why not |
| 20:24.24 | caphuso | jetscreamer: because you don't do stuff as root you don't have to |
| 20:24.26 | JRWR | a kernel you do |
| 20:24.31 | caphuso | JRWR: no |
| 20:24.37 | paulswm | JRWR: no, you don't |
| 20:24.44 | caphuso | again, you _never_ compile anything as root |
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| 20:24.49 | PerfDave | tull: Why did you hand-compile mplayer, and where did you compile it? YOu may have just knackered your system. |
| 20:24.55 | JRWR | it told me to be in root |
| 20:25.01 | travisat | JRWR: fakeroot lets you compile the kernel not as root |
| 20:25.03 | jetscreamer | does this include using su to compile a kernel? |
| 20:25.10 | jetscreamer | as in that's a nono? |
| 20:25.14 | bghfhfg | I have an Nvidia GeForce card. When I start up X, I get the Nvidia logo and then a blank screen, and when I start KDE, I get the KDE startup screen and a few off-color icons. |
| 20:25.15 | JRWR | ya i used su |
| 20:25.20 | valdyn | no one needs root to compile a kernel.. and also not su |
| 20:25.23 | caphuso | jetscreamer: you _never_ compile something as root |
| 20:25.57 | JRWR | ok now |
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| 20:26.00 | caphuso | one simple mistake in the Makefile and it might run 'rm -r /' |
| 20:26.03 | valdyn | sudo chmod -R user.user kernel-source is something you can do if you fscked up when extracting the source though |
| 20:26.11 | jetscreamer | bghfhfg, did you change nv to nvidia in xf86config-4? |
| 20:26.14 | paulswm | JRWR: you can also set root_cmd := sudo in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf instead of fakeroot |
| 20:26.22 | bghfhfg | jetscreamer: Yes. |
| 20:26.24 | resiak | paulswm: But why? |
| 20:26.30 | JRWR | how do i get my PCMCIA modem working |
| 20:26.30 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 20:26.38 | giupy | anyone know how can i create boot disk for knoppix? the command under knoppix seems don't work |
| 20:26.40 | JRWR | atfer that it will be a great system |
| 20:26.43 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 20:26.43 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
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| 20:27.02 | paulswm | resiak: just another option |
| 20:27.03 | giupy | oh sorry |
| 20:27.03 | tut | Does anyone here know if "apt-get remove" ever executes temporary scripts in /tmp, like "apt-get install" sometimes does? |
| 20:27.08 | jetscreamer | JRWR, you probably need the modules at least |
| 20:27.26 | JRWR | just the PCMCIA ones |
| 20:27.26 | jetscreamer | JRWR, linmodems.org |
| 20:27.30 | resiak | paulswm: Fair enough. |
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| 20:27.42 | JRWR | its not a linmodem |
| 20:27.46 | paulswm | resiak: the one I use, actually, heh |
| 20:27.46 | jetscreamer | o |
| 20:27.49 | bghfhfg | jetscreamer: So? |
| 20:27.56 | JRWR | its linux only! |
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| 20:28.12 | JRWR | it refuese to work with windows |
| 20:28.16 | jetscreamer | bghfhfg, no idea, check for the opengl libs maybe |
| 20:28.18 | Stravinsky | i'm looking for an app to record from a tv tuner card, could anyone give some directions about a name? |
| 20:28.31 | valdyn | Stravinsky: xawtv,tvtime |
| 20:28.41 | jetscreamer | !tell Stravinsky about marillat |
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| 20:28.56 | streuner_ | zapping |
| 20:29.04 | bghfhfg | jetscreamer: Software-rendered OpenGL worked with an old PCI card. What exactly should I look up? |
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| 20:29.10 | Stravinsky | hmm tvtime doesnt record its a viewer only |
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| 20:29.24 | JRWR | nvm ill get this card working |
| 20:29.26 | jetscreamer | Stravinsky, dvdrip is one, acidrip... |
| 20:29.28 | JRWR | ill look it yp |
| 20:30.07 | jetscreamer | bghfhfg, not sure, what does the log tell you? |
| 20:30.32 | butterfly_effect | Hello, I am running dcgui-qt. it is now totally broken, the GUI is messed up. and am getting some errors when running it from console. I have googled for a while and it seemed that there are some problems with libxml2 . does anybody here have problems with libxml2 since yesterday.I am running side BTW.thankx |
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| 20:30.42 | jetscreamer | Stravinsky, there are lots of those kinds of packages on marillat... transcode... |
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| 20:30.58 | valdyn | Stravinsky: xawtv can defenitely record |
| 20:31.01 | streuner_ | butterfly_effect: did you check BTS? |
| 20:31.03 | jetscreamer | dc-gui really seemd to suck when i tried it |
| 20:31.03 | butterfly_effect | I am running *sid (unstable) |
| 20:31.08 | resiak | butterfly_effect: Then you LOSE. |
| 20:31.12 | resiak | !bts butterfly_effect |
| 20:31.18 | jetscreamer | butterfly_effect, try mldonkey , giftd |
| 20:31.20 | streuner_ | !tell butterfly_effect about sid faq |
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| 20:31.33 | bghfhfg | jetscreamer: Nothing that seems like an error. |
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| 20:31.55 | jetscreamer | bghfhfg, is this the debian glx .deb, or the nvidia-installer |
| 20:32.21 | bghfhfg | jetscreamer: The driver? I downloaded it from Nvidia's website. |
| 20:32.27 | resiak | !tell bghfhfg about nvidia |
| 20:32.32 | atrus | I'm playing with apt pinning, but i'm running into a problem where apt-get wants to upgrade a ton of packages from unstable to the same version from unstable, ie, no upgrade. Any pointers on where I may have gone wrong? |
| 20:32.41 | chealer | !tell bghfhfg about nvidia-installer |
| 20:32.41 | einsteinmg | i've a problem with ding, if i want to search for "aktuell" ding says "illegal pattern" |
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| 20:33.06 | einsteinmg | "aktu" does work, "aktue" gave me the error |
| 20:33.14 | jetscreamer | bghfhfg, good because i've never done the .deb ... but i've never seen your problem before, either.... ask in #nvidia, some of the nvidia devs hang there |
| 20:33.15 | RedPenguin | I was wondering with jidgo |
| 20:33.20 | einsteinmg | how to report this issue? |
| 20:33.30 | RedPenguin | Is it possible to make it useable for other distros or do you have to have a .jidgo always? |
| 20:33.34 | streuner_ | einsteinmg: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 20:33.50 | bghfhfg | jetscreamer: I use X.Org 2.6.10, and I do have to reinstall every time I upgraded the kernel. So what? |
| 20:33.53 | RedPenguin | I am wondering because I love how jigdo downloaded and made the ISOs for you |
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| 20:34.04 | resiak | bghfhfg: If you're using xorg, you're even more on your own... |
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| 20:34.06 | bghfhfg | I use kernel 2.6.10, X.Org 6.8.1. Whoops. |
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| 20:34.08 | streuner_ | einsteinmg: it sounds to me like nonsense |
| 20:34.18 | einsteinmg | streuner_: the problem is how to write an effective bug report |
| 20:34.35 | einsteinmg | agrep alone does not produce the error (imho) |
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| 20:34.44 | jetscreamer | bghfhfg, yeah i dunno xorg but iirc i heard not great things about nvidia-installer and xorg ... iirc you need to use a lower version of the installer.... |
| 20:34.57 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 20:34.57 | dpkg | nvidia is, like, To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 20:34.59 | streuner_ | einsteinmg: look at the BTS now, iam pretty sure you are not the only one who reported a bugreport yet |
| 20:35.00 | valdyn | that one works fine |
| 20:35.32 | eflynn | !seen tits |
| 20:35.32 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'tits', eflynn |
| 20:35.42 | jetscreamer | !comfort dpkg |
| 20:35.43 | dpkg | There, there, dpkg. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:35.50 | valdyn | running nvidias driver with 2.6.10 needs 2 patches ( www.nvnews.net ) |
| 20:35.52 | resiak | Hahah. |
| 20:35.54 | resiak | !eflynn++ |
| 20:35.54 | streuner_ | eflynn: play in #debian-bots |
| 20:35.58 | jetscreamer | i never patched |
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| 20:36.06 | jetscreamer | works here |
| 20:36.17 | chealer | It may need. #nvidia |
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| 20:36.28 | valdyn | jetscreamer: it doesnt even compile, so youre either not using 2.6.10 or someone patched what youre using |
| 20:36.41 | shiz0 | hi, what packages do i have to apt-get install to get a nvidia geforce to direct rendering on 2.6 kernel ? |
| 20:36.42 | else | why is my ipod only recognized after a restart? |
| 20:36.55 | einsteinmg | streuner_: hmmm no, there are no bugs like this in the bts for ding |
| 20:36.55 | chealer | !tell shiz0 about nvidia-howto |
| 20:37.15 | jetscreamer | i really think this is 2.6.10 |
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| 20:37.29 | jetscreamer | and i really think the installer came from nvidia ftp |
| 20:37.29 | DaGhettoKid | anyone know how i can make a console script that searches google and opens up elinks... example (google something) would open up elinks with the search query something in google |
| 20:37.42 | chealer | jetscreamer: it may work without patching. see #nvidia |
| 20:38.02 | jetscreamer | 2.6.10.3.8610.777 yep, |
| 20:38.14 | si|vercat | how do I patch evdev support to xserver? |
| 20:38.17 | valdyn | jetscreamer: one patch fixes memory allocation stuff that you may never use. |
| 20:38.23 | caphuso | DaGhettoKid: install surfraw |
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| 20:38.29 | valdyn | jetscreamer: oh well, thats not a debian kernel |
| 20:38.29 | DaGhettoKid | surfraw? |
| 20:38.32 | Herodes | hi.... |
| 20:38.33 | jetscreamer | it 'does' work w/o patching is my point. maybe i need to fix it even though it's not broke? |
| 20:38.39 | caphuso | DaGhettoKid: yes, surfraw |
| 20:38.49 | DaGhettoKid | ok, |
| 20:38.49 | jetscreamer | or i caint tell it's broke |
| 20:39.01 | valdyn | jetscreamer: no, the same fix can be done by applying a patch to the kernel ( to fix the compile issue ) |
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| 20:39.10 | jetscreamer | ah ok it's debian source |
| 20:39.11 | valdyn | jetscreamer: and youre obviously not using a debian kernel |
| 20:39.16 | si|vercat | I kinda want to have my two-digit-number-of-buttons-mouse to have separate button functions :P |
| 20:39.19 | jetscreamer | not a stock |
| 20:39.29 | valdyn | jetscreamer: hmm |
| 20:39.49 | valdyn | jetscreamer: not using agp? |
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| 20:39.59 | jetscreamer | agpgart not nvagp |
| 20:40.02 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 20:40.06 | Herodes | how can i do this for all ports? iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p udp --dport 4665 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2:4666 |
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| 20:40.25 | jetscreamer | cant get sba or fw working though.. and they do work |
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| 20:40.47 | python_ | what is the command to list all prosesses in the command line |
| 20:40.48 | valdyn | jetscreamer: fw just crashes my system |
| 20:40.52 | caphuso | python_: ps |
| 20:41.22 | jetscreamer | i think fw wasn't great for me either, but it was a while ago, and in windows before i met linux |
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| 20:41.43 | McCabe | anyone know if it's dangerous to use "hdparm -w" (reset) on a ide dvd burner? |
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| 20:41.51 | valdyn | oh and one of the 2 patches matters only for cedega/winex so you probably dont care |
| 20:41.56 | murb_ | Could someone help me? and tell me how to create a initrd file? |
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| 20:42.02 | sussudio | murb_: nein |
| 20:42.05 | klaussss | hallo, i have a serious problem with apt-get.. i've tried to install a custon xfree86 version with mach64 support, during this installation something went wrong.. |
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| 20:42.11 | streuner_ | murb_: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
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| 20:42.19 | klaussss | now everytime i try to use apt-get error messages occur |
| 20:42.25 | klaussss | and i cant use apt-get anymore |
| 20:42.29 | jetscreamer | never installed wine*, i have an hd with w2k adv on the counter i can put back in if i need to :) |
| 20:42.34 | chealer | klaussss: remove your custom package |
| 20:43.01 | klaussss | chealrer: i tried, but it seems like that this is not possible :( |
| 20:43.09 | python_ | is there a command to reconfigure x11 |
| 20:43.11 | murb_ | streuner_ thanx |
| 20:43.11 | jetscreamer | i need an ide add in card |
| 20:43.12 | RussellSoft | hello ppl |
| 20:43.15 | chealer | !drxx python_ |
| 20:43.16 | dpkg | python_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:43.20 | python_ | thanks |
| 20:43.20 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfig... yeah that |
| 20:43.24 | valdyn | jetscreamer: ok youre right, theres only 1 patch _to_ the nvidia drivers and that one is mostly or only for cedega |
| 20:43.27 | streuner_ | murb_: look at the KERNEL-HOWTO (debian way) |
| 20:43.32 | si|vercat | how do I get all my buttons on my MX-1000 to work? |
| 20:44.01 | jetscreamer | i've seen a 5 button mouse howto somewhere |
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| 20:44.17 | jetscreamer | but i body slammed my 5 button mouse a while ago |
| 20:44.25 | jetscreamer | i hate dying |
| 20:44.43 | valdyn | jetscreamer: a 5 button mouse w/o wheel? |
| 20:44.53 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 20:45.11 | Petro | jetscreamer: I just bought a fancy mx510 logitech mouse with more buttons than a stealth bomber, that how-to sounds interesting to say the least |
| 20:45.17 | akiru | !google KERNEL-HOWTO (debian way) |
| 20:45.25 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for KERNEL-HOWTO (debian way) |
| 20:45.44 | streuner_ | akiru: newbiedoc.sf.net |
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| 20:46.02 | akiru | ty. |
| 20:46.25 | jetscreamer | might have been on xfree.org |
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| 20:47.00 | streuner_ | Petro: ask, if you wanna know something |
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| 20:47.10 | jetscreamer | it's done in the xfconfig, so yeah... |
| 20:47.36 | Petro | jetscreamer: in what package is xfconfig? |
| 20:47.38 | pngwn | ]/c~ |
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| 20:48.48 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 20:48.50 | jetscreamer | http://xfree.org/current/mouse.html |
| 20:48.58 | jetscreamer | XF86Config-4 |
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| 20:49.05 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.26 | jetscreamer | specifically, http://xfree.org/current/mouse6.html |
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| 20:50.29 | murb_ | streuner_ I dont find the part where it says how to make the initrd file |
| 20:50.43 | shiz0 | hi, does somebody know why apt-get install nvidia-glx says that it is not available? |
| 20:50.46 | streuner_ | murb_: look harder |
| 20:50.58 | murb_ | =) |
| 20:51.02 | jetscreamer | so use ExplorerPS/2 |
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| 20:51.12 | chealer | shiz0: you need sid sources |
| 20:51.15 | jetscreamer | shiz0, you need contrib and/or non-free in your sources |
| 20:51.42 | atrus | pinning problem: I have available to apt newer versions of several packages, and pinning set to prevent them from being automatically upgraded. Nonetheless, apt-get insists on wanting to upgrade them, but only to the verision that's already installed, resulting in packages being re-installed over and over again. Suggestions? |
| 20:51.51 | valdyn | !nvidia debs |
| 20:51.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia debs is try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT |
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| 20:52.06 | chealer | shiz0: again, /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
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| 20:52.35 | Petro | how can I install x.org on debian? |
| 20:52.35 | jetscreamer | atrus, perhaps the major versions are the same, and there is a minor difference... or maybe it just wants THOSE packages from THOSE repositories... not sure. |
| 20:52.44 | valdyn | !xorg |
| 20:52.44 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 20:53.15 | Herodes | is not a way to do this chain for all ports?. as pc local was router. #iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p TCP --dport 443443 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEP |
| 20:53.15 | Herodes | T |
| 20:53.26 | travisat | Petro: there really is no reason to run it yet |
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| 20:53.29 | jetscreamer | shit i thought it was nighttime |
| 20:53.30 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:53.33 | valdyn | Petro: the inofficial xorg debs werent accessible from usa for a while due to bandwidth costs, the server is up though |
| 20:53.33 | jetscreamer | it's 2pm |
| 20:53.36 | atrus | Petro: not easilly. there were unofficial debs for a while, but the host took them down (too much bandwidth usage). Are you sure you really want xorg anyways? |
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| 20:53.59 | valdyn | atrus: no they're not down |
| 20:54.09 | valdyn | atrus: just international access is restricted |
| 20:54.10 | jetscreamer | Petro, go to x.org and there is a howto and .deb list that may work |
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| 20:54.19 | nixx | hi |
| 20:54.30 | atrus | valdyn: i'm not in the USA, i'm in canada ;) |
| 20:54.34 | valdyn | atrus: germans are fine, europeans may be fine, americans cant access |
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| 20:54.42 | nixx | someone can help me please? i have a problem with an external (usb) hd |
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| 20:54.47 | valdyn | atrus: fine, canada isnt any closer ) |
| 20:54.58 | ribnitz | !tell nix about ask |
| 20:55.17 | jetscreamer | errr source list |
| 20:55.22 | nixx | how can i mount an external hd? |
| 20:55.32 | jetscreamer | man mount |
| 20:55.33 | nixx | is a fat hd |
| 20:55.46 | ribnitz | nixx: glass orbs were kibnda outta stock last time i checked |
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| 20:56.03 | atrus | right now I'm trying to get pinning working to try installing hoary's xorg. |
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| 20:56.22 | Herodes | is not a way to do this chain for all ports?. as pc local was router. iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2 |
| 20:56.22 | Herodes | :80 |
| 20:56.30 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 20:56.30 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 vfat rw,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0222,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 20:56.31 | phlax | is there a 'debian way' to configure apache2 - can anyone point me to any docs? |
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| 20:56.56 | valdyn | phlax: /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/ |
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| 20:57.20 | caphuso | phlax: /usr/share/doc/apache2-common/README.Debian |
| 20:57.56 | streuner_ | murb_: did you enable INITRD? |
| 20:58.12 | phlax | thanx |
| 20:58.27 | phlax | stfc! |
| 20:58.33 | atrus | jetscreamer: hm... actually the only packages where there's a problem are where the other repository has the *same* version string as the one installed from sid |
| 20:59.12 | jetscreamer | well there is a difference of some type or it wouldn't want to |
| 20:59.17 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 21:00.17 | atrus | jetscreamer: there is a difference.. it's a packgage from a different repository completely. the problem is that this other package seems to confuse apt into thinking that sid's version, which is already installed, needs to be reinstalled. |
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| 21:00.46 | si|vercat | I got my 12-button mouse working! :P Having 12 keys too! |
| 21:00.49 | valdyn | atrus: then the order in your /etc/apt/sources.list may be wrong, put what you want to be installed first iirc |
| 21:00.50 | si|vercat | buttons |
| 21:00.54 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 21:01.03 | si|vercat | now how do I assign functions to them? :D |
| 21:01.20 | guestish | si|vercat: good question |
| 21:01.35 | jetscreamer | probably in gnome or kde there is a thing, no idea how to do it the right way |
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| 21:02.10 | gilles | does someone use chinese for the system language |
| 21:02.11 | atrus | SiliconViper: which one? i'm on a logitech mx1000 now |
| 21:02.32 | atrus | valdyn: ack. that worked. awesome |
| 21:02.37 | RedPenguin | We on fira! |
| 21:02.41 | RedPenguin | Oppps wrong channel |
| 21:02.42 | RedPenguin | Laughing Out Loud |
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| 21:04.40 | si|vercat | the scrolling is assigned to wrong buttons too |
| 21:04.42 | karsten | Anyone have recommendations on a good RSS aggregator? |
| 21:04.49 | RedPenguin | Laughing Out Loud |
| 21:04.53 | jetscreamer | reassign them |
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| 21:05.16 | RedPenguin | I just got the on fira thing since we were taking about Llyod Banks in another channel |
| 21:05.57 | RedPenguin | I don't get it, I have the latest Debian install, and installed OpenSSL and then irssi-text but it still doesn't support ssl |
| 21:06.03 | RedPenguin | Am I missing something? |
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| 21:06.17 | valdyn | RedPenguin: what doesnt support ssl |
| 21:06.20 | si|vercat | this is odd.. |
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| 21:06.30 | RedPenguin | irssi-text will not seem to support ssl |
| 21:06.39 | RedPenguin | I tried installing openssl which for some reason wasn't installed |
| 21:06.41 | resiak | RedPenguin: Hey, I remember you :) |
| 21:06.45 | jetscreamer | s/will/does/ |
| 21:06.53 | RedPenguin | Then reinstalling irssi-text but not luck |
| 21:06.55 | RedPenguin | resiak, hmm |
| 21:07.06 | ribnitz | RedPenguin: what dpes irssi have tp dp with ssl? |
| 21:07.18 | jetscreamer | s/p/o/ |
| 21:07.29 | RedPenguin | I mean ssl to connect to SSL supporing servers |
| 21:07.39 | si|vercat | Option "ZAxisMapping" "11 12", and xev reports the scrollbuttons being buttons 11 and 12. the buttons that actually scroll are button 4 and 5 |
| 21:07.48 | jetscreamer | ok so fix it |
| 21:07.53 | RedPenguin | Laughing Out Loud |
| 21:07.54 | si|vercat | good idea |
| 21:07.55 | si|vercat | :P |
| 21:08.12 | RedPenguin | I love apt-get, it is so much easier then the RPM system |
| 21:08.13 | jetscreamer | 12 buttons for real? i thought you were kidding |
| 21:08.17 | atrus | si|vercat: which mouse? |
| 21:08.20 | si|vercat | mx-1000 |
| 21:08.26 | karsten | !tell RedPenguin about aptitude |
| 21:08.44 | RedPenguin | Laughing Out Loud |
| 21:08.50 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 21:08.50 | dpkg | i guess dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 21:08.50 | karsten | RedPenguin: aptitude > apt-get. In console mode, handles recommends/suggests better. Logs. Read the list post linked. |
| 21:08.53 | RedPenguin | That moron thing is very inyesting |
| 21:08.55 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 21:08.56 | karsten | RedPenguin: Can it with the LOL. |
| 21:09.02 | johnnyST | hi whats up?? |
| 21:09.05 | atrus | si|vercat: same mouse here... eventually got everything working, although its tricky. |
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| 21:09.18 | si|vercat | gonna try yet another x-restart :P |
| 21:09.19 | si|vercat | brb |
| 21:09.39 | karsten | jetscreamer: dselect is A Tad Fugly[tm]. |
| 21:09.48 | cg0def | where was the config file for man |
| 21:10.06 | jetscreamer | yeah, but the superior dependency fulfillment makes up for it |
| 21:10.09 | karsten | cg0def: man man |
| 21:10.17 | cg0def | no not this one |
| 21:10.29 | cg0def | the one that lets you specify the pager and stuff |
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| 21:10.47 | karsten | cg0def: export PAGER=<value> |
| 21:10.48 | paulswm | cg0def: man man |
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| 21:10.51 | dupondje | hi guys, i upgraded system from debian woody to sarge, and when i boot, it stops @ 'Boot From Network' |
| 21:10.52 | karsten | cg0def: man man. |
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| 21:11.30 | atrus | jetscreamer: there's the standard 3 buttons, plus 3 generic extra buttons, plus the scroll wheel, plus scroll up, down, left and right buttons |
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| 21:11.34 | jetscreamer | buttons on a joystick are reported differently in windows than in linux. i mean the button number changes. maybe it's the same for a 12 button mouse. |
| 21:11.52 | karsten | paulswm: ;-) |
| 21:12.41 | dupondje | somebody ? :s |
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| 21:13.30 | cg0def | is the slackware man different than debian's cause I can swear that man man shows a different thing |
| 21:13.32 | jetscreamer | dupondje, do you mean the bios, or after debian starts? |
| 21:13.43 | jetscreamer | are you doing pxe boot, dupondje ? |
| 21:13.53 | RedPenguin | Well I will try aptitude, I never even knew it existed |
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| 21:14.07 | RedPenguin | I just know that using apt-get for RedHat was must better then using RPM for RedHat |
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| 21:14.28 | basti | how can i make a backup of my kernel.. and how can i install this backup later? |
| 21:14.30 | dupondje | jetscreamer when linux boots |
| 21:14.34 | dupondje | not in bios |
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| 21:15.17 | jetscreamer | dupondje, no idea ... if you're not pxe booting i'd turn that option off in bios if it's enabled, but i have no idea sorry. |
| 21:15.31 | paulswm | RedPenguin: you'll like aptitude, although I prefer to use it command-line rather than the UI |
| 21:15.41 | jetscreamer | basti it's /boot |
| 21:15.52 | jetscreamer | s/it's/it's in/ |
| 21:16.03 | jetscreamer | but just get the .deb |
| 21:16.08 | jetscreamer | you need the modules too |
| 21:16.12 | paulswm | RedPenguin: It sometimes gets a little overzealous in removing what it thinks are unused packages, though |
| 21:16.13 | RedPenguin | Damn the packages are all organized and everything |
| 21:16.14 | jetscreamer | and libs and blah |
| 21:16.35 | jetscreamer | use the download only option of apt-get, man apt-get |
| 21:16.44 | valdyn | cg0def: sure manpages are different on different distros if theyre written by the distro, just look at the bottom who wrote it |
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| 21:16.49 | RedPenguin | What category does deb put IRC stuff in? |
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| 21:17.18 | _rene_ | net |
| 21:17.22 | _rene_ | what else? |
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| 21:17.51 | paulswm | RedPenguin: apt-cache show xchat says 'net' |
| 21:18.21 | valdyn | RedPenguin: apt-cache search irc ( theres no irc category though ) |
| 21:18.35 | cg0def | valdyn: it's not big of a deal, plus I don't use slackaware anymore |
| 21:18.37 | paulswm | _rene_: 'timewasting', heh |
| 21:18.44 | cg0def | slackware |
| 21:18.51 | _rene_ | paulswm: *g* |
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| 21:19.06 | paulswm | !beat slackware for confusing cg0def |
| 21:19.11 | war- | What package is the 'at' command in for debian? |
| 21:19.21 | caphuso | war-: surprisingly enough in "at" |
| 21:19.33 | valdyn | !find /usr/bin/at |
| 21:19.41 | valdyn | !tell war- about search |
| 21:19.42 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/bin/at' returned no results. |
| 21:20.00 | basti | how can i quit from man? |
| 21:20.05 | caphuso | basti: q |
| 21:20.14 | basti | ah thanks |
| 21:20.16 | phogg | basti: man man (-; |
| 21:20.26 | caphuso | RedPenguin: you don't want irssi-common anywhere near your harddisk |
| 21:20.27 | paulswm | !win phogg |
| 21:20.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, phogg! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 21:20.30 | phogg | actually, man less. But that's not so funny |
| 21:20.32 | cg0def | paulswm: lol if slackware is confusing then I really can't describe gentoo :) |
| 21:20.53 | paulswm | cg0def: don't get everyone started ;) |
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| 21:21.07 | paulswm | !gentoo |
| 21:21.07 | dpkg | i guess gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 21:21.22 | cg0def | paulswm: yeah that was a really bad idea |
| 21:21.53 | RedPenguin | I see |
| 21:22.33 | paulswm | cg0def: Although I use a very nice gentoo-based rescue disk from http://www.sysresccd.org when I want to do stuff like copy/restore disk images |
| 21:22.39 | _rene_ | caphuso: err? why? |
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| 21:23.02 | caphuso | _rene_: it's only used for the severly outdated and inherently broken GUI versions of irssi |
| 21:23.09 | cg0def | paulswm: the rescue disk or the live-cd or whatever they call it today is nice |
| 21:23.23 | _rene_ | ah |
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| 21:23.25 | caphuso | those that haven't seen a single bit of development for about 5 years now |
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| 21:23.30 | else | why is my ipod only recognized after a restart? |
| 21:24.13 | cg0def | else: because you have to restart hotplug in order to get it recognized |
| 21:24.25 | else | hotplug --restart doesn't work ;( |
| 21:25.00 | paulswm | else: what do you mean doesn't work, do you get an error message? |
| 21:25.13 | else | no. |
| 21:25.14 | else | nothing. |
| 21:25.24 | else | but my ipod isn't listed in /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 21:25.30 | else | and therefore i cannot mount it |
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| 21:26.23 | valdyn | else: /etc/init.d/hotplug restart would be the appropriate command |
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| 21:27.01 | si|vercat | now how do I assign functions to these mousebuttons? :P |
| 21:27.07 | mathieu | i just did a mass apt-get upgrade |
| 21:27.15 | mathieu | some of my gtk apps seem broken |
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| 21:27.25 | paulswm | or invoke-rc.d hotplug restart , even |
| 21:27.31 | else | valdyn, thanks, i'll tryx |
| 21:27.35 | mathieu | ex. The program 'jpilot' received an X Window System error. |
| 21:27.36 | else | s/tryx/try |
| 21:27.37 | ireverentReveren | what is the appropriate script to add sshd to to get it t start at boot? |
| 21:27.50 | caphuso | ireverentReveren: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 21:27.56 | ireverentReveren | Thank You |
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| 21:28.37 | else | valdyn, doesn't work either |
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| 21:29.08 | paulswm | else: as root? |
| 21:29.09 | xpato | hi |
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| 21:29.24 | xpato | any good distro to put in a pendrive? |
| 21:29.42 | else | paulswm, yes. it scans and restarts modules, but ipod is just charging. not displaying "do not disconnect" |
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| 21:30.00 | paulswm | else: ah |
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| 21:30.34 | valdyn | else: aye, that wasnt supposed to solve your problem directly |
| 21:30.41 | valdyn | else: no clue.. |
| 21:30.58 | else | thanks anyway, valdyn :) |
| 21:31.03 | paulswm | xpato: size of pendrive? |
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| 21:31.22 | else | i'm not sure if it works if i restart, something seems to be wrong ;( |
| 21:31.34 | else | i don't know how to resolv |
| 21:31.36 | else | e |
| 21:32.04 | Gathond | xpato: http://damnsmalllinux.org/ that is rather easy to get to a pen drive |
| 21:32.16 | si|vercat | anyone know how to swap desktop in xbindkeysrc? |
| 21:33.20 | RedPenguin | Does glib go under a different name? apt-get install glib gave no luck |
| 21:33.22 | xpato | paulswm, 128M |
| 21:33.45 | chealer | RedPenguin: find the right package name |
| 21:33.52 | RedPenguin | That is what I need to do |
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| 21:34.03 | RedPenguin | I tried searching debian.org's search but no luck |
| 21:34.07 | caphuso | RedPenguin: libglibsomething |
| 21:34.13 | fnmit | RedPenguin, apt-cache search *** |
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| 21:34.41 | caphuso | apt-cache --names-only search libglib |
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| 21:34.58 | fnmit | or that |
| 21:35.05 | duncf | suppose i'm experiencing reproducible complete hangs.... what can I do to debug them? |
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| 21:35.36 | valdyn | RedPenguin: which glib? |
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| 21:36.03 | valdyn | RedPenguin: nm, caphuso gave you enough.. |
| 21:36.04 | Poprocks | hi all -- while I was ripping a CD my computer hard-locked -- here's what it says in /var/log/messages: Feb 6 16:25:24 localhost kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 21:36.06 | si|vercat | whats the command to change desktops in gnome? |
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| 21:36.28 | RedPenguin | I like apt-cache searcg |
| 21:36.34 | Poprocks | there are a few more lines and then it says: Feb 6 16:25:24 localhost kernel: isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdc, iso_blknum=16, block=16 |
| 21:36.39 | RedPenguin | It was libglib but i had to do stuff like say libglib2.0 |
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| 21:36.57 | valdyn | Poprocks: driver error or cabling error or drive error |
| 21:37.01 | RedPenguin | Usually just libglib works but this time it didn't |
| 21:37.12 | Gathond | RedPenguin: yes, probably because there are severel versions that can coexist |
| 21:37.17 | Poprocks | valdyn, hmm |
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| 21:37.38 | Poprocks | it's also locked up several times within the past week at other times too (not just when ripping CD) -- ie: during XScreensaver |
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| 21:37.50 | Poprocks | and while playing ZSnes |
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| 21:38.31 | supaman | Poprocks: tried to run memtest on your memory? |
| 21:38.40 | SigmaX | Hey, I have limited space on an old power-mac. I've heard of TinyX and stuff... what's a good choice for a GUI system that's fast (90MHz comp) and takes little space? |
| 21:38.42 | Poprocks | supaman, yeah but it never reports any errors |
| 21:38.45 | andax | what to do if a user seems like to "stuck logged in"? (w returns: "majom pts/13 - 22:22 0.00s 0.46s ? -" , slay says "nothing done")... now what?? |
| 21:38.56 | Poprocks | supaman, would I have to run it for, eg: more than 24 hours? |
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| 21:39.05 | Rawplayer | SigmaX: what is the space? |
| 21:39.07 | paulswm | SigmaX: how much memory, how much HD space |
| 21:39.11 | andax | he doesn't even have a bash running |
| 21:39.32 | valdyn | Poprocks: this is really hard to debug for me, i'd try to change something physically, like split disk and cdrom if theyre on same cable, or put whatever hdc is on a different ide interface |
| 21:39.40 | si|vercat | how come xmms doesn't catch gnome-events like next track set up with keyboard-shortcuts |
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| 21:40.21 | SigmaX | I have 192MB of memroy, and about 150MB of free HD space. It's just a 400MB partition; it's the original 12-year-old rive :-P |
| 21:40.26 | Poprocks | damn this computer has been getting worse by the day |
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| 21:40.42 | Poprocks | started off with the occasional Internal Compiler Error |
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| 21:41.00 | valdyn | Poprocks: now that _is_ usually a hardware failure, broken ram or overheat |
| 21:41.03 | karsten | Poprocks: How old's the system? |
| 21:41.10 | R4Ndom | How do I install a .deb file I have on my computer? |
| 21:41.13 | Poprocks | karsten, I got it last year |
| 21:41.21 | paulswm | R4Ndom: dpkg -i |
| 21:41.41 | Poprocks | valdyn, why don't the same problems happen on windows then? |
| 21:41.42 | valdyn | Poprocks: gcc is very good at finding ram errors ) |
| 21:41.45 | karsten | Poprocks: What valdyn said. Probably HW. There's been a rash of bad capacitors the past couple of years, so some suggestions... |
| 21:41.47 | supaman | Poprocks: had a similar problem (dont know what was wrong here) but I did a fresh install on debian and havnt had problems now since (did it in beginning of November) |
| 21:42.00 | Poprocks | supaman, it's been across several distros |
| 21:42.14 | karsten | Poprocks: ...crack open the case and look for any capacitors (cylinders ~1" high 3/8" diam) with brown crud leaking out. |
| 21:42.17 | Poprocks | valdyn, yeah tell me about it |
| 21:42.20 | valdyn | Poprocks: most software doesnt really use ram as intense as gcc or compilers do, try compilers on windows, that might bring just the same problem(s) |
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| 21:42.30 | karsten | Poprocks: You should also try running memtest++ at boot for a few cycles, that can exercise the bugs. |
| 21:42.44 | mlalkaka | i just compiled a linux 2.6.8 kernel (and made it into debian packages) and installed it. i then added/modified the relevant data in /boot/grub/menu.lst for my new kernel. next, i rebooted and tried to boot into my fresh kernel from grub but VFS is giving me some error about not being able to root partition on hda1, and is telling me to use the proper root= paramater. in grub, my root parameter is set to /dev/hda1. [i think] the probl |
| 21:42.44 | mlalkaka | em is that my new kernel was compiled WITHOUT devfs support (DEVFS_FS). i deliberately left it out because it was obsolete; i thought udev would handle my devices. how do i use this kernel? isn't udev compiled automatically, or did i miss enabling it when i did `make xconfig`? any help please? |
| 21:42.48 | R4Ndom | What perimeters do I need for dpkg -i? |
| 21:42.54 | karsten | Poprocks: If you have multiple RAM sticks, try removing one or more and watching for fault. |
| 21:43.05 | Poprocks | karsten, yeah I've tried running memtest86, for like 24 hours and it didn't report any errors, should I run it longer? |
| 21:43.06 | valdyn | Poprocks: if some games texture in ram looses a byte, you wont see it though, so not even realise theres an error |
| 21:43.06 | karsten | Poprocks: ...there's also 'cpuburn' to exercise your CPU extensively. |
| 21:43.22 | mjw | Hi. Is the FDL position statement "official"? And has a response to it been asked from the FSF? |
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| 21:43.39 | karsten | Poprocks: That should be long enough. Usually a couple of cycles (1-4 hours) is sufficient. |
| 21:43.40 | valdyn | !memtest86 |
| 21:43.41 | dpkg | hmm... memtest86 is http://memtest86.com/ |
| 21:43.48 | fnmit | R4Ndom, dpkg -i ***.deb |
| 21:43.51 | karsten | Poprocks: Try cpuburn. Also the visual scan, etc. |
| 21:43.54 | supaman | R4Ndom: what do you mean? you dont need anything more then the name of the file you want to install |
| 21:44.15 | karsten | valdyn: memtest86+ is the current development version |
| 21:44.20 | paulswm | mlalkaka: one thing unrelated to your immediate problem: you can use make-kpkg to compile debian kernels, one guide of many is at http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php |
| 21:44.27 | karsten | valdyn: One '+', not two. |
| 21:44.28 | Poprocks | karsten, "may cause permanent damage..." ! |
| 21:44.46 | valdyn | karsten: i see |
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| 21:45.08 | karsten | Poprocks: For cpuburn, 5-10 minutes is sufficient. Long enough to get your cooling system kicked in. |
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| 21:45.15 | mlalkaka | paulswm, that is what i used. i followed the tutorial at www.desktop-linux.net and used the .config file from my curent 2.6.8 kernel as a base. |
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| 21:45.44 | valdyn | i could easily overheat one cpu without the temp sensor going high |
| 21:45.46 | valdyn | so uh |
| 21:46.22 | SigmaX | hmph... not enough diskpace to update to sid :-|. I'm trying to get something similar to TinyX on Woody with ~100MB of free space. Any help? |
| 21:46.23 | paulswm | mlalkaka: and did you compile support for your root filesystem type into the kernel, plus IDE support (if you are using IDE) |
| 21:46.25 | guestish | kernel |
| 21:46.29 | guestish | oops |
| 21:47.08 | mlalkaka | paulswm, yes. i'm using ext3 and i compiled ide support. is there a specific ide one i should check to see whether it is compiled in or not? |
| 21:47.19 | Poprocks | karsten, I'm running it now.. will it tell me something at some point? |
| 21:48.13 | karsten | dpkg: stress test is tools for stressing / checking your hardware include memtest86+ (RAM), cpuburn (CPU), and bonnie or Cerberus Test Control System will give disk a workout. |
| 21:48.13 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 21:48.25 | netsurfer | I am building a custom kernel, and have disabled all scsi support, along with other stuff.. now when I make modules and install I get unresolved symbols in ide-core.o - any suggestions? |
| 21:48.25 | karsten | Poprocks: Watch system logs, or wait for a panic ;-) |
| 21:48.31 | paulswm | mlalkaka: compiled in as in 'y', not as in 'm' (module) - CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y in your /boot/config... file |
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| 21:48.39 | karsten | Poprocks: ...the exit status tells you what happened. |
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| 21:48.52 | karsten | Poprocks: man cpuburn |
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| 21:49.22 | karsten | netsurfer: If you've got a CPU burner and are using ide-scsi emulo, you'll *want* SCSI support. |
| 21:49.47 | netsurfer | karsten - a cpu burner? |
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| 21:49.58 | mlalkaka | paulswm, yes CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y as well as all other CONFIG_EXT3_FS* options |
| 21:50.06 | karsten | netsurfer: Erm. CD burner. |
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| 21:50.10 | saintiss | hi... if I boot with vga=791 (which influences the resolution of the framebuffer), I can't start the X server, because it says the monitor is out of sync... If I boot without vga=791, everything is fine... how can these two be connected? |
| 21:50.17 | kernel_panic | hi |
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| 21:50.37 | karsten | saintiss: Don't do that. Framebuffer isn't compatible with native X drivers. |
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| 21:50.51 | kernel_panic | I'm searching some documentation to build a customized Install-CD based on debian ! |
| 21:50.52 | Poprocks | karsten: well cpuburn did indeed freeze my comp after about 1-2 minutes |
| 21:50.57 | mlalkaka | paulswm, CONFIG_IDE=m. is that alright? |
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| 21:50.58 | karsten | saintiss: ...and FB is inferior to native for X. Useful for bootable distros such as Knoppix, not for a fixed install. |
| 21:51.04 | paulswm | mlalkaka: it might very well be the devfs support, you could try reompiling with it turned on, I've seen that myself |
| 21:51.10 | karsten | Poprocks: Sounds like a bad CPU or insufficient cooling. |
| 21:51.19 | mlalkaka | paulswm, but why cant i use udev? |
| 21:51.29 | Poprocks | karsten: hmm, so I guess the next question is.. what do I do about it? |
| 21:51.35 | netsurfer | karsten - ide-scsi is in block devices |
| 21:51.37 | saintiss | karsten: I'm not using framebuffer as my X driver... I'm using ati.. that's why I'm wondering how the one can influence the other |
| 21:51.39 | paulswm | mlalkaka: I have CONFIG_IDE=y |
| 21:51.49 | saintiss | karsten: by framebuffer I mean the video mode I'm in when I do ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 21:51.50 | karsten | Poprocks: Well... |
| 21:52.06 | paulswm | mlalkaka: iirc udev is incomplete, I stuck with devfs |
| 21:52.09 | karsten | Poprocks: ...if you're really good with micromanipulators, fix it. Otherwise, check warranty status and get it replaced. |
| 21:52.26 | Poprocks | karsten: damn, ok. |
| 21:52.28 | kernel_panic | any idea ? |
| 21:52.37 | karsten | saintiss: FB is all modes. If you want better than 24x80 console, try SVGATextMode. |
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| 21:52.42 | Poprocks | since I had to ask you what to do, that should indicate that the former is not possible ;-) |
| 21:52.49 | valdyn | Poprocks: you can at first just try to fix cooling on your cpu via new paste |
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| 21:53.15 | valdyn | Poprocks: i dont know how it ages, but i know for sure that a badly spread paste fucks up cooling by alot |
| 21:53.19 | paulswm | mlalkaka: I couldn't get udev working, but I didn't spend a heck of a lot of time on it, life is too hard as it is |
| 21:53.19 | RedPenguin | Is there a place to check deps needed to make a certain package do something? Like SSL on irssi? |
| 21:53.20 | saintiss | karsten: but you say FB is inferior to native X... how can I get native X then, if everything is FB? |
| 21:53.29 | karsten | Poprocks: I'd also look over cooling on the box and see if that can be improved. More case fans. Less dust. Better CPU fan. Make sure your fans are working properly. Check your sensors if you can. |
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| 21:53.43 | caphuso | RedPenguin: dependancies are automatically installed together with the package |
| 21:53.45 | karsten | saintiss: *DON'T* use FB. That's how. |
| 21:53.48 | valdyn | Poprocks: and the temp sensor is in a corner so might not even notice some huge temperature in the other |
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| 21:54.17 | karsten | Poprocks: ...You can also try underclocking CPU if you've got that option. Or not overclocking if you've done that. |
| 21:54.37 | karsten | RedPenguin: apt-cache show <package> |
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| 21:54.41 | saintiss | karsten: ok, fine, I don't want to use it anyway... I just thought that console mode was framebuffer no matter what... what setting decides whether console is FB? |
| 21:54.46 | karsten | RedPenguin: ...but what valdyn said. |
| 21:54.56 | Poprocks | karsten & valdyn: I've pretty much decided I'll be taking it in. I'm just afraid they'll see Linux on it and go "oh we don't support that" |
| 21:55.00 | karsten | saintiss: No. Console is FB if you choose FB at boot. |
| 21:55.15 | karsten | Poprocks: Fuck 'em. Bring a DOS boot floppy. |
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| 21:55.19 | saintiss | karsten: which you do by adding vga=791? |
| 21:55.30 | mlalkaka | paulswm, where is CONFIG_IDE in xconfig? |
| 21:55.39 | karsten | Poprocks: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WindowsRescueDisk |
| 21:55.41 | RedPenguin | That is what I thought |
| 21:55.49 | emes | can someone please explain why make-kpkg ran make CLEAN on in the kernel directory, then proceded to recompile EVERYTHING again when i did "make-kpkg buildpackage modules_image"?? what am i doing wrong?? |
| 21:55.52 | ali7288 | anyone know much about installing nvidia official drivers? |
| 21:56.04 | karsten | Poprocks: ...there are bootable Win disks, if the shop doesn't have a WinPE, they're incompetant. |
| 21:56.16 | karsten | saintiss: That's an FB mode. |
| 21:56.33 | paulswm | mlalkaka: heck, I don't know, prolly block devices, ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support or something |
| 21:56.35 | Poprocks | karsten: ok cool |
| 21:56.38 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 21:56.38 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 21:56.39 | netsurfer | karsten - do u know which items ide-scsi relies on in scsi ? I have them all disabled now =) |
| 21:56.41 | zinx | emes: it did that because you didn't tell it to not clean |
| 21:56.45 | valdyn | ali7288: ^^^^ |
| 21:56.48 | saintiss | karsten: ok, and by adding nothing I'm using what then? native X sounds odd, since console isn't really X, right? |
| 21:56.52 | karsten | saintiss: Non-FB modes tend to be ~1-6. 'vga=ask' will show you what's supported. With SVGUATextMode it doesn't particularly matter, though I choose vga=6 (80x60) myself. |
| 21:56.55 | zinx | emes: it's safer to do a recompile, so that's what it does by default |
| 21:56.57 | karsten | !u |
| 21:56.57 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:57.12 | mlalkaka | paulswm, alright. thanks for the help |
| 21:57.18 | emes | zinx: safer?? i just made the kernel image.. |
| 21:57.37 | karsten | saintiss: Default. Dunno if that's vga=0 or what. But you get 80x24. Frankly that's annoying to me. |
| 21:57.39 | paulswm | mlalkaka: I use gconfig with 2.6 kernels, but haven't decided if the GUI sucks or not, not terribly happy with it |
| 21:57.50 | karsten | saintiss: If you set vga=6 in boot opts, display immediately goes 80x60 when the kernel loads. |
| 21:57.54 | paulswm | mlalkaka: you are most welcome |
| 21:57.56 | dupondje | hi guys, i upgraded system from debian woody to sarge, and when i boot, it stops @ 'Boot From Network', and in the bios the first boot device is the hdd where linux is on ? what should i do ? |
| 21:58.04 | Poprocks | well I'll probably bbl. Thanks guys. |
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| 21:58.20 | karsten | saintiss: ...vs if you use SVGATextMode, in which case mode switches when /etc/init.d/svgatextmode runs in the startup process. |
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| 21:58.50 | karsten | dupondje: What's your bootloader? Do you see a bootloader prompt? |
| 21:58.53 | saintiss | karsten: ok... but how come X is influenced by console being in FB or not? shouldn't that be unrelated? |
| 21:59.02 | karsten | saintiss: NFC. |
| 21:59.04 | JRWR | What media player do you think is best for playing MP3s and WMV/WMA |
| 21:59.07 | saintiss | !nfc |
| 21:59.07 | dpkg | nfc is, like, No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 21:59.10 | karsten | saintiss: You're welcome to search google. |
| 21:59.11 | dupondje | karsten lilo |
| 21:59.11 | mlalkaka | paulswm, i tried using gconfig but i get "make[1]: *** [gconfig] Segmentation fault" after a lot of warnings about various gtk things. have you ever seen that before? maybe i need to get some other packages i'm not aware of? |
| 21:59.11 | dupondje | no |
| 21:59.16 | pepperpot | how do i get a hotplug script to run after udev creates the symlink rather than before? jpilot-sync needs to run after /dev/pilot is created |
| 21:59.20 | karsten | JRWR: xine / mplayer. |
| 21:59.25 | JRWR | ok |
| 21:59.40 | karsten | dupondje: OK. Do you get a LILO prompt at boot or does your error show up before that? |
| 21:59.46 | saintiss | karsten: ok, thanks for the explanation |
| 21:59.46 | emes | zinx: so how do i build the modules without rebuilding the whole kernel?? |
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| 21:59.56 | karsten | dupondje: If you're starting a disk boot, you should see a kernel load message, etc. |
| 22:00.04 | paulswm | mlalkaka: no, I'm running gnome gdm and metacity, never seen that |
| 22:00.16 | mlalkaka | paulswm, same here with sarge |
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| 22:00.32 | paulswm | mlalkaka: sarge here, too |
| 22:00.48 | karsten | paulswm: Ew! Sick! Retch! |
| 22:00.49 | zinx | emes: only tell it to build the modules, obviously. |
| 22:00.52 | mlalkaka | paulswm, weird. do you know what packages are needed for gconfig to work? |
| 22:00.58 | karsten | paulswm: Just don't tell me you're running Epiphany. |
| 22:01.01 | dupondje | karsten: it shows error before, don't get kernel load .... |
| 22:01.03 | zinx | emes: i.e., leave off the "buildpackage", which tells it to build again... |
| 22:01.20 | paulswm | karsten: I may be an old geezer, but I'm not a complete idiot |
| 22:01.29 | paulswm | heh |
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| 22:01.40 | karsten | dupondje: OK. You're doing a network boot. It's a HW/BIOS level thing. You'll need to work that out. Can you boot a floppy or CD? |
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| 22:01.47 | karsten | paulswm: Heh. |
| 22:02.01 | quittt | MEU DEUS |
| 22:02.03 | quittt | CAIU A ENERGIA E MEU PC DESLIGO |
| 22:02.07 | quittt | o q eu faco agora? |
| 22:02.11 | caphuso | quittt: stop |
| 22:02.17 | dupondje | karsten it loads from network cause it can't boot from hdd floppy or cdrom |
| 22:02.25 | paulswm | mlalkaka: not off the top of my head |
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| 22:02.27 | dupondje | (there is no cdrom/floppy in the pc) |
| 22:02.29 | Rawplayer | quittt wtF? |
| 22:02.36 | BBearr_ | hello |
| 22:02.44 | bwlang | quittt: this is an english channel |
| 22:02.47 | karsten | dupondje: *Can* you boot a floppy or CD? |
| 22:03.09 | dupondje | should try, putting in a cdrom drive |
| 22:03.14 | dupondje | but what should i do then ? |
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| 22:03.16 | j4cbo | i'm trying to run a .NET program with mono, but it's saying "Could not load winelib.exe.so" and dieing |
| 22:03.18 | dupondje | rerun lilo ? |
| 22:03.21 | karsten | paulswm: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/XP-screen.png |
| 22:03.31 | dupondje | cause it seems it doesn't see mbr on hdd or smth ? |
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| 22:03.50 | karsten | dupondje: You should see HD detection in BIOS messages. Yes or no? |
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| 22:04.02 | dupondje | yea |
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| 22:04.27 | nokia6000 | can i get the MAC address too when i ping 192.168.x.y ? |
| 22:04.29 | paulswm | karsten: aaaaargh, you've made it look like Win2K |
| 22:04.33 | dupondje | it detects hdd, but seems it can't boot from it |
| 22:04.35 | karsten | dupondje: You've got to go through this systematically. Your problem is *pre* bootloader (which you didn't specify initially). |
| 22:04.47 | karsten | paulswm: That's not what I run. But yeah. XPde. |
| 22:05.02 | quittt | Rawplayer, sorry I thought it was #debian-br =/ |
| 22:05.09 | karsten | paulswm: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/WM-screen.png is more my usual. |
| 22:05.28 | karsten | dupondje: If your system isn't seeing your HDs at all, you need to find out why not. |
| 22:05.40 | karsten | dupondje: If it's not seeing the MBR, you need to re-apply it. |
| 22:05.46 | karsten | dupondje: ...but no use doing that if the disks aren't being seen. |
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| 22:05.57 | dupondje | disks are seen |
| 22:05.57 | karsten | dupondje: So: do you get disk detection in BIOS at startup? |
| 22:06.02 | dupondje | yes |
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| 22:06.16 | dupondje | so try to run lilo ? |
| 22:06.29 | karsten | dupondje: OK. Got a boot disk (CD/Floppy)? Looks like you might want to rerun LILO. |
| 22:06.32 | karsten | dupondje: Yes. |
| 22:06.47 | dupondje | ok thx :d |
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| 22:06.57 | dupondje | will boot knoppix :) |
| 22:06.59 | phogg | How does one determine how many packages are available from Debian or, even better, from all of the sources in sources.list? |
| 22:06.59 | dupondje | tomorrow :) |
| 22:07.02 | dupondje | and rerun lilo |
| 22:07.07 | dupondje | hopes it works then :) |
| 22:07.10 | dupondje | thx anyway :) |
| 22:07.34 | BBearr_ | dupondje, is SMART enabled in your BIOS? |
| 22:07.40 | dupondje | yea |
| 22:07.54 | dupondje | but i upgraded from woody -> sarge |
| 22:07.55 | caphuso | phogg: just the number? apt-cache dumpavail | grep -c '^Package:' |
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| 22:07.59 | dupondje | and lilo was updated also |
| 22:08.04 | BBearr_ | dubondje, disable SMART and try again |
| 22:08.12 | dupondje | maby it was needed to rerun lilo before reboot |
| 22:08.25 | BBearr_ | For some reason, SMART kills the loader |
| 22:08.28 | phogg | caphuso: many thanks. |
| 22:08.34 | karsten | dupondje: Well, your bootloader isn't working... |
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| 22:09.05 | dupondje | indeed |
| 22:09.11 | dupondje | will rerun lilo |
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| 22:09.15 | karsten | dupondje: One thing to check: dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 | od -c | head |
| 22:09.18 | dupondje | and see if it gives errors or smth |
| 22:09.23 | karsten | dupondje: Should see: 0000000 ë H 220 \0 201 001 L I L O 001 \0 026 002 \0 \0 |
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| 22:09.51 | karsten | dupondje: ...if not, you don't have LILO on. There's more solid ways to test that, but the basic pattern should include LILO in the first line. |
| 22:10.26 | DotHack | anyone uses a graphire3 on debian? |
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| 22:10.39 | paulswm | karsten: Nice. I have such a clunky looking gnome desktop, I prolly ought to get more with it, or maybe sit it out until it becomes fashionably retro: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/pooh.png |
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| 22:10.56 | dupondje | ok thx :) |
| 22:11.01 | dupondje | will look @ it tomorrow :) |
| 22:11.43 | BBearr_ | dupondje, try disabling SMART and reboot. |
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| 22:13.22 | dupondje | and another problem i had :s is that hdd is seen as a 16 heads hdd, while there are 255 |
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| 22:14.13 | jannol | Hi all |
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| 22:14.26 | jannol | can I ask a tiny Q |
| 22:14.35 | caphuso | no, only long and tedious ones |
| 22:14.46 | jannol | hehe great |
| 22:14.47 | DotHack | Hi, is there anyone in here who uses a graphire3 in debian? |
| 22:15.06 | jannol | I just wonder how I can change gdm to entrance |
| 22:15.16 | jannol | I have both installed and workin |
| 22:15.25 | DotHack | jannol: ? |
| 22:15.31 | BBearr_ | Can anyone help me with Thunderbird install? The only way I can get it to run is "sh thunderbird" |
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| 22:15.51 | jannol | DotHack, ? |
| 22:16.11 | DotHack | BBearr_: you prbalbly have it installed in a paticular dir |
| 22:16.13 | caphuso | BBearr_: "chmod +x"? |
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| 22:16.28 | DotHack | jannol: both? what do you mean |
| 22:16.48 | BBearr_ | I installed it in /usr/local |
| 22:16.50 | DotHack | BBearr_: did you do a make install? |
| 22:16.51 | karsten | paulswm: For me, usability's a lot more meaningful than appearance. My look's pretty vanilla, what I like is how it comes together. |
| 22:17.02 | jannol | I have both installed but gdm is default, I wanna change the default to entrance |
| 22:17.04 | DotHack | BBearr_: is /usr/local/bin in your path? |
| 22:17.21 | BBearr_ | I just followed the directions on the sight. |
| 22:17.57 | DotHack | jannol: gdm is probably in /etc/rc3.d or so |
| 22:18.07 | jannol | ok, you know what file ? |
| 22:18.14 | caphuso | it's in /etc/rc[2-5].d/ |
| 22:18.39 | caphuso | jannol: if you don't want gdm, apt-get remove it |
| 22:18.46 | caphuso | problem solved |
| 22:19.49 | DotHack | lets look into this entrance thingy |
| 22:20.32 | jannol | yes but I found a file S99gdm with a line DAEMON=/usr/bin/gdm can I change that ? |
| 22:20.37 | paulswm | karsten: I agree, I like plain black backgrounds, don't spend a lot of time congratulating myself on how pretty it looks, life's too short |
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| 22:20.55 | caphuso | jannol: why? just remove the thing |
| 22:21.33 | caphuso | it's a lot easier to just remove the thing instead of messing with stuff you don't understand |
| 22:21.43 | DotHack | jannol: yep remove it |
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| 22:21.55 | DotHack | jannol: then ceate something that will start entrance |
| 22:21.59 | valdyn | jannol: no, dont change it, and isnt that just a symlink anyway? |
| 22:22.00 | paulswm | BBearr_: are you running debian, if so you should have installed like this: 'apt-cache install mozilla-thunderbird' |
| 22:22.10 | Nurbs | jannol: or change /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 22:22.25 | valdyn | jannol: yea, removing it is ok, but Nurbs suggestio is ( imo ) better |
| 22:22.31 | jannol | Nurbs, I tried that but it didn't work |
| 22:22.31 | Nurbs | BBearr_: apt-get install of course :) |
| 22:22.50 | Nurbs | jannol: then you messed up something :) |
| 22:23.05 | Nurbs | valdyn: why? removing is just fine when it's not used :) |
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| 22:23.35 | valdyn | Nurbs: yea but at some point he wont know which init links he has removed and be in a mess again |
| 22:23.35 | DotHack | jannol: Nurbs solution shpuld work |
| 22:23.37 | jannol | nope but I guess entrance depends on some libraries |
| 22:23.55 | BBearr_ | I'm running debian on colinux |
| 22:24.15 | DotHack | BBearr_: ??? |
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| 22:24.29 | karsten | paulswm: /msg? |
| 22:24.32 | Nurbs | valdyn: why? he can just apt-get remove gdm if he doesn't use it. update-rc.d might not be the best solution, that's true |
| 22:24.37 | pino | qualcuno parla italiano? |
| 22:24.38 | paulswm | karsten: OK |
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| 22:24.46 | ribnitz | !it |
| 22:24.46 | dpkg | well, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 22:24.53 | DotHack | !nl |
| 22:24.53 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 22:25.01 | jannol | Nurbs, yes u r right but it gives me not a utf8 locale |
| 22:25.01 | pino | thank you |
| 22:25.02 | streuner_ | pino: no - speak english |
| 22:25.06 | BBearr_ | I'm runnin' debian on colinux |
| 22:25.07 | valdyn | Nurbs: removing the symlink is what i referred to, removing the package is fine |
| 22:25.34 | valdyn | Nurbs: still, its just my preference ( imo ), all can be done cleanly |
| 22:25.58 | jannol | how do I change the locale to swedish utf |
| 22:26.12 | valdyn | jannol: dpkg-reconfigue locales |
| 22:26.16 | streuner_ | jannol: apt-get install localconf |
| 22:26.24 | BBearr_ | DotHack, I'm running debian on colinux |
| 22:26.30 | streuner_ | jannol: apt-get install localeconf |
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| 22:26.58 | DotHack | BBearr_: hehe does X wirk? |
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| 22:27.21 | BBearr_ | I'm using vncserver to view X |
| 22:27.23 | jannol | valdyn, streuner1 > ok thx |
| 22:27.43 | DotHack | BBearr_: ah ok, now is /usr/local/bin in your path? |
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| 22:28.31 | BBearr_ | DotHack, I think so, but let me check |
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| 22:28.43 | DotHack | BBearr_: when you sh thunderbird do you have to be in /usr/local/bin or can you do it from any path? |
| 22:28.59 | dabreegster | I just bought a Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy LS PCI soundcard to replace the old onboard one. I hooked it up into a PCI slot, connected the speakers, and disconnected the old card like I was told. On boot up, no messages appeared saying it was found and OSS doesn't see it (no sound at all). I ran alsaconf but it didn't find it. How do I get it to work? |
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| 22:29.03 | azreal | is this network still the same as openprojects.net? |
| 22:29.41 | BBearr_ | DotHack: I have to be in the thunderbird directory |
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| 22:29.45 | caphuso | azreal: yes |
| 22:29.52 | valdyn | dabreegster: which alsa / kernel are you running? |
| 22:29.55 | runedude | How do you fix the sound on Debian Linux? |
| 22:29.56 | azreal | caphuso: k, just makeing sure |
| 22:30.01 | DotHack | BBearr_: where you compiled it? |
| 22:30.04 | jannol | whats the differens localconf localeconf |
| 22:30.12 | dabreegster | valdyn: 2.6.7 kernel (i386) |
| 22:30.17 | DotHack | BBearr_: did you make install it as root? |
| 22:30.21 | dabreegster | Where can I find my alsa version? |
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| 22:30.45 | streuner_ | dabreegster: i heard several months ago, some serious issues about that soundcard in debian..., use usenet (groups.google.com) |
| 22:30.46 | BBearr_ | DotHack: I didn't make install it. I followed the directions from the mozilla site |
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| 22:30.56 | valdyn | dabreegster: you are most likely using the one in there, let me check quickly when support for that card was added |
| 22:31.02 | dabreegster | streuner_: pl |
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| 22:31.32 | streuner_ | dabreegster: use the latest kernel, which is avaiable for debian |
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| 22:31.53 | dabreegster | streuner_: I apt-get'ed a kernel-image |
| 22:31.53 | DotHack | BBearr_: in most cases apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird would get you thunderbird without the need of compiling it |
| 22:31.59 | dabreegster | not too long ago |
| 22:32.03 | netbrain | hey guys. i was just wondering. when i run the command shutdown -h now. then instead of shutting down completely (power off) then it stops at power down. but it isnt actually powering down. its still on! how come? |
| 22:32.17 | streuner_ | dabreegster: in sarge? |
| 22:32.20 | dabreegster | streuner_: yep |
| 22:32.25 | DotHack | netbrain: no acpi? |
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| 22:32.30 | caphuso | or no apm |
| 22:32.33 | hi_ | How do i see the list of applications installed on my system? |
| 22:32.36 | caphuso | hi_: dpkg -l |
| 22:32.38 | valdyn | dabreegster: ok, not recetnyl still you may try apt-get install alsa-source and use that - should be a more recent driver |
| 22:32.44 | runedude | hmm |
| 22:32.49 | dabreegster | valdyn: alright |
| 22:32.49 | runedude | Any ideas to fix the sound? |
| 22:33.00 | hi_ | caphuso: Thanks. |
| 22:33.01 | si|vercat | whats an acdsee/ifranview equivalent? :) |
| 22:33.11 | streuner_ | gqview |
| 22:33.16 | valdyn | dabreegster: got to dig changelogs yourself if you want to know when/how that card started getting support.. |
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| 22:33.18 | BBearr_ | DotHack: A couple of hours ago, apt-get couldn't find mozilla-thunderbird. I just tried again, and it's fetchin' files like crazy. |
| 22:33.24 | speakman | Hello people! |
| 22:33.31 | DotHack | BBearr_: hehe |
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| 22:33.44 | dabreegster | could anybody recommend a good, cheap, easily supported soundcard that'll do stereo? |
| 22:33.55 | BBearr_ | DotHack: wonderful world of networking |
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| 22:33.59 | DotHack | dabreegster: hmmmm any card |
| 22:34.12 | streuner_ | dabreegster: SB live is very well supported and cheap nowadays |
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| 22:34.32 | dabreegster | DotHack: yeah, but it's just my luck that I buy a bad one |
| 22:34.34 | dabreegster | streuner_: alright |
| 22:34.36 | speakman | Can I in any way download all current packages for Woody to bring to an internet-less network with old woody installations? |
| 22:34.38 | DotHack | dabreegster: for the stereo part at least :) |
| 22:35.05 | valdyn | dabreegster: usb sound interfaces should be good - no driver support needed really |
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| 22:35.14 | streuner_ | dabreegster: those damn LS Audigy PCI have different chips... |
| 22:35.19 | dabreegster | valdyn: not sure I even have any usb ports on this old machine |
| 22:35.25 | R4Ndom | How do I install my Hp DeskJet 812C printer? |
| 22:35.33 | action09 | dabreegster i've a Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a) |
| 22:35.36 | DotHack | R4Ndom: foomatic |
| 22:35.44 | dabreegster | I'm grabbing alsa-source now. google said audigyls driver needed. |
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| 22:35.59 | valdyn | !kp |
| 22:35.59 | dpkg | kp is probably To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 22:36.05 | dabreegster | what do I do w/ alsa-sources? is that just drivers/ |
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| 22:36.19 | BBearr_ | bye, ya'll, and thanks. |
| 22:36.23 | streuner_ | !info alsa-source |
| 22:36.26 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1938 kB, Installed size: 1984 kB |
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| 22:36.39 | valdyn | dabreegster: get the headers for you kernel if you dont have them |
| 22:36.39 | dabreegster | I'm not too sure I can compile my own kernel |
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| 22:36.48 | valdyn | dabreegster: you dont need to |
| 22:36.54 | speakman | Anyone know if pseudo image kit is the way for me? |
| 22:37.05 | dabreegster | alsa-sources have it? |
| 22:37.06 | valdyn | dabreegster: then apt-get install module-assistant and use that tool to compile alsa drivers |
| 22:37.16 | dabreegster | hmm, don't have audigyls driver. |
| 22:37.22 | dabreegster | ok |
| 22:37.41 | jannol | oops I changed to utf after installing local.conf and tried but I got segmention failt and then my com rebooted |
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| 22:38.11 | jannol | atleast I fixed the utf error |
| 22:38.38 | tazle | hm, wonder why shadow doesn't work over NIS |
| 22:38.48 | speakman | Anyone knows how to retrieve all currently existing packages for Stable (Woody?) Debian? |
| 22:39.09 | tazle | looking with netcat I see libnss even fetches the data, but getent doesn't show the NIS-residing lines |
| 22:39.30 | jannol | speakman, apt ? |
| 22:39.38 | valdyn | speakman: debmirror i guess |
| 22:39.46 | speakman | debmirror? ok.. |
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| 22:40.02 | valdyn | speakman: but you may just download all CD via bittorrent.. |
| 22:40.32 | speakman | valdyn: but I need the laters versions of all packages.. |
| 22:40.48 | speakman | what about using jigdo and get an DVD? will I get the latest versions then? |
| 22:41.04 | valdyn | speakman: theres no official woody dvd i think, but inofficial one sure |
| 22:41.13 | tazle | also, getent passwd shows the remote lines |
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| 22:41.28 | DotHack | tazle: is your nsswitch.conf rght? |
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| 22:41.32 | valdyn | speakman: woody r4 is the latest except for a few security updates that you can easily fetch manually too |
| 22:41.34 | tazle | DotHack: yes |
| 22:41.54 | tazle | (otherwise why would it fetch the data over NIS when I do getent shadow?) |
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| 22:42.13 | DotHack | tazle: you wont get the complete NIS entry or just not the envrypted password part? |
| 22:42.42 | tazle | I don't get any of the remtoe lines in any form |
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| 22:43.03 | DotHack | tazle you?e root? |
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| 22:43.07 | tazle | yes |
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| 22:43.38 | DotHack | tazle does login work?? |
| 22:43.43 | speakman | valdyn: there seems to be official woody DVD's when using jigdo? or am I wrong? |
| 22:43.48 | tazle | for local users? yes |
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| 22:43.55 | dabreegster | Good news! lspci returned some info on the card. It sees it. |
| 22:43.58 | tazle | I get all the local lines with getent too |
| 22:44.15 | speakman | valdyn: http://non-us.cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/3.0_r4-dvd/jigdo/ |
| 22:44.16 | dabreegster | alsa-source is installing now. So all I have to do is get the right module and modprobe it? |
| 22:44.20 | DaPhatty | New User Question: I just installed Debian (most recent DVD testing version) but can't get KDE or Gnome to launch. Both apps are installed. When I try to run the startx command I get the following error - /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory. Any suggestions? |
| 22:44.42 | valdyn | speakman: yea, youre right |
| 22:44.49 | DotHack | DaPhatty: apt-get install x-windows-system |
| 22:44.50 | burd | when I look at user quotas, isn't the used supposed to be in kB and not Bytes? |
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| 22:46.04 | DotHack | tazle: is ypbind running? |
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| 22:46.25 | tazle | DotHack: yes |
| 22:46.48 | DotHack | tazle: portmap? |
| 22:46.55 | tazle | yes |
| 22:47.22 | zappy | DaPhatty: s/x-windows-system/x-window-system |
| 22:47.24 | DotHack | tazle: the right output form rpcinfo -p localhost |
| 22:47.39 | DotHack | zappy: thats what i meant :p |
| 22:47.42 | tazle | as I said, all the data travels over the network, it just never comes out of the other end of libnss |
| 22:47.49 | zappy | np ;) |
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| 22:48.16 | DotHack | tazle: nis domainname is ok? |
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| 22:48.42 | tazle | yes |
| 22:48.50 | Nitrux | howdy |
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| 22:49.32 | Nitrux | I'm quite familiar with debian (few years) and have a laptop now. Everything runs fine, but standby is just killing me. Anyone experience with that? |
| 22:49.35 | DotHack | tazle: PAM ok? |
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| 22:49.47 | DaPhatty | •zappy• I tried the first command and it cannot find the package. Is there more than one installation DVD? |
| 22:49.55 | quittt | can someone send me /etc/esound/esd.conf plz? |
| 22:49.55 | tazle | DotHack: to my eye, yes, it shouldn't matter with getent anyway |
| 22:50.06 | speakman | valdyn: since I'm not very into jigdo, do you know if it downloads the _currently_ versions of each packages? |
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| 22:50.35 | zappy | DaPhatty: u tried apt-get install x-window-system ? |
| 22:50.38 | DaPhatty | •zappy• Scratch that. I just understood your correction. |
| 22:50.39 | valdyn | speakman: no it doesnt, it downloads whatever is listed in the jigdo or template file |
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| 22:50.47 | zappy | k ;) |
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| 22:50.51 | racoontje | Happy birthday to me! (at next foo:00 whatever your local time is) |
| 22:50.52 | DotHack | tazle: but to login it mathers and i dont know wether getent isnt showing it for security reasons or wheter its just not configuref right |
| 22:51.02 | valdyn | speakman: but were talking woody here, theres not much at all that changes.. excpt those few security udpates |
| 22:51.16 | dabreegster | I've got alsa-sources. What do I do now? |
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| 22:51.36 | angri | does anyone know a good audio editor (for waves)? |
| 22:51.47 | valdyn | speakman: that link is 3.0R4 |
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| 22:52.09 | valdyn | speakman: so if you want recent you need to fetch security updates since then extra |
| 22:52.21 | streuner_ | dpkg audacity |
| 22:52.21 | dpkg | methinks audacity is a multi-track audio editor. It is designed for easy recording, playing and editing of digital audio. Editing is very fast and provides unlimited undo/redo. To be found at http://audacity.sourceforge.net. |
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| 22:52.42 | DotHack | tazle: im reading a howto here which recommends to put the passwords in passwd for normal users an leave the root password in shadow and then completely disable the shadow part of nis |
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| 22:52.58 | tazle | DotHack: does it say why? |
| 22:52.59 | valdyn | speakman: are you sure you want woody though? this talk about "recent" gives me a different impression ) |
| 22:53.00 | speakman | valdyn: ok, but what's considered stable at the moment? Sid or Woody? |
| 22:53.05 | RedPenguin | Am I messing up the spelling |
| 22:53.09 | RedPenguin | man updaterc.d? |
| 22:53.11 | valdyn | !woody |
| 22:53.11 | dpkg | [woody] the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
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| 22:53.20 | speakman | !sid |
| 22:53.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 22:53.22 | valdyn | !tell speakman about stable |
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| 22:53.26 | speakman | !sarge |
| 22:53.26 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 22:53.32 | DotHack | tazle: this way onyl user passwords travel acros the network and you root password is save for snoopers |
| 22:53.38 | valdyn | read carefully what dpkg tells you, thats _debians_ definition of stable |
| 22:53.49 | DotHack | RedPenguin: update-rc.d |
| 22:53.57 | tazle | DotHack: oh, I don't have ay root passwords in the NIS shadow file |
| 22:53.58 | valdyn | speakman: sarge may be just what you need, i assume |
| 22:54.10 | quittt | some here can send me esd.conf plz? |
| 22:54.31 | valdyn | speakman: woody certainly has no "recent" software at all |
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| 22:54.41 | speakman | valdyn: I use Sarge at my home. :) This, I will take to my work, where we have no (except from 56k) internet connection |
| 22:55.00 | DotHack | tazle does ypcat passwd give you anything? |
| 22:55.12 | tazle | DotHack: yes, ypcat gives everything |
| 22:55.14 | valdyn | !apt-zip |
| 22:55.16 | dpkg | i guess apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
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| 22:55.41 | valdyn | speakman: fine to use same at work and occasionally apt-zip to update it |
| 22:56.02 | kenboo | what's the command that dumps key code in X? |
| 22:56.23 | caphuso | kenboo: xev |
| 22:56.28 | speakman | !dpkg apt-zip |
| 22:56.28 | dpkg | i heard apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 22:56.35 | DotHack | tazle: ypcat shadow doesn't show the shadow map. This is correct, the name of the shadow map is shadow.byname, not shadow. |
| 22:56.44 | Nitrux | anyone on the standby-issue? |
| 22:56.45 | valdyn | speakman: on a somewhat recent computer and if you want to run X, then woody isnt it |
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| 22:56.51 | speakman | valdyn: That seems like a tool for me! never seen that before ;) |
| 22:56.54 | tazle | DotHack: however, it is aliased to shadow |
| 22:57.01 | DotHack | tazle: dunno what byname means thought |
| 22:57.03 | kenboo | caphuso, thanks |
| 22:57.12 | tazle | DotHack: byname means it's ordered by login name |
| 22:57.22 | tazle | as opposed to .byuid, which orders by UID |
| 22:57.29 | DotHack | tazle a |
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| 22:57.35 | speakman | valdyn: I never use X.. only running servers, which won't use X as far as I concern.. ;) |
| 22:57.39 | tazle | and shadow is often aliased to .byname |
| 22:57.53 | useruser_ | is there a command-line tool to automatically crop images? |
| 22:57.55 | tazle | anyway, ypcat shadow.byname works too, and libnss always uses shadow.byname |
| 22:57.55 | valdyn | speakman: then woody is great |
| 22:58.13 | caphuso | useruser_: check imagemagick |
| 22:58.19 | DotHack | tazle: but you still dont get the remote entries? |
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| 22:58.38 | valdyn | speakman: id still have a look at it, if it has what you want. since theres no recent software in it, just recent security updates |
| 22:58.44 | dabreegster | I ran dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source and I found my card and selected that the module (audigyls) be built. I finished it up and... nothing happened. I didn't have a new module or anything. |
| 22:58.45 | ali7288 | hey, i just installed the nvidia drivers for sarge but when i replace nv with nvidia it shows the nvidia splash screen but never disappers! does anyone have the same problem or can help me? |
| 22:58.45 | speakman | valdyn: I think I'll go with the Woody DVD jigdo version at first.... |
| 22:58.58 | DaPhatty | •zappy• Thanks! That worked. Now all I have to figure out is how to undo this command (echo "exec /usr/bin/kde3" >~/.xinitrc). Xwindows opens up and then quickly shuts down stating that it cannot find the location listed in that command. |
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| 22:59.07 | tazle | DotHack: no |
| 22:59.17 | tazle | DotHack: however, there is something wrong with PAM too |
| 22:59.18 | speakman | valdyn: I might even download both Woody and Sid.. and Sarge if possible.. lol... just in case! you never know.. |
| 22:59.19 | caphuso | DaPhatty: rm ~/.xinitrc |
| 22:59.20 | DotHack | tazle: you also did the + thingies in passwd? |
| 22:59.23 | ali7288 | i should say when i replace nv with nvidia in the xserver config file |
| 22:59.38 | useruser_ | caphuso: it wants you to specify the cropping geometry every time. I have simple grayscale images with huge white borders; I want to get rid of the borders without having to know what numbers to feed the program |
| 22:59.48 | tazle | DotHack: using PAM, the client doesn't even try to get the entries |
| 23:00.05 | valdyn | speakman: just dont mix them. If you need newer software, try backports,org, dotdeb.org or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:00.09 | zappy | ali7288: did u remove the Load "dri" line in XF86Config-4 ? |
| 23:00.21 | useruser_ | caphuso: at least i didn't see anything about that in man ImageMagick |
| 23:00.37 | ali7288 | i believe i did |
| 23:00.42 | ali7288 | ill double check |
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| 23:01.08 | dabreegster | How do I get the audigyls module? I built it with alsa-sources, but nothing happened; I still don't have it. |
| 23:01.12 | ali7288 | this is what i'm loading: |
| 23:01.12 | ali7288 | Load"bitmap" |
| 23:01.12 | ali7288 | Load"dbe" |
| 23:01.12 | ali7288 | Load"ddc" |
| 23:01.12 | ali7288 | Load"extmod" |
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| 23:01.14 | caphuso | useruser_: no idea what to use then |
| 23:01.22 | DaPhatty | •caphuso• Thank you sir! That did the trick! |
| 23:01.29 | Nitrux | imagemagick crop |
| 23:01.30 | valdyn | dabreegster: how did you build it? with module-assistant? |
| 23:01.38 | Nitrux | http://www.google.be/search?q=imagemagick+crop&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
| 23:01.47 | speakman | valdyn: sure.. I was more thinking if I need more recent packages, I'll upgrade to Sid... and if I need even more recent packages, I'll go with Sarge.. but I can always fall back! |
| 23:01.50 | dabreegster | valdyn: no. I installed als-source and ran dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source and chose my card. |
| 23:01.52 | Nitrux | first hit, second match if you search for "crop" |
| 23:01.55 | dabreegster | *alsa-source |
| 23:01.57 | zappy | ali7288 Requiescat In Pace |
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| 23:02.01 | now3d | Hi, could someone tell me which packages I need to install to get Japanese, chinese fonts to display asian text please? |
| 23:02.14 | valdyn | dabreegster: then you didnt build it |
| 23:02.15 | ali7288 | hi i got kicked sorry |
| 23:02.20 | speakman | valdyn: Do u know if a DVD made by jigdo is bootable? |
| 23:02.27 | dabreegster | valdyn: I found the .c file where the code is |
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| 23:02.39 | dabreegster | valdyn: what do I do? I thought that program I just ran did it.. |
| 23:02.40 | ali7288 | zappy i am not loading dri |
| 23:02.43 | zappy | ali7288: what does the /var/log/XFree86.0.log says |
| 23:02.45 | zappy | ? |
| 23:02.51 | zappy | in EE lines |
| 23:02.53 | valdyn | dabreegster: use module-assistant |
| 23:03.02 | dabreegster | valdyn: ok |
| 23:03.14 | zappy | zappy: i have a nvidia, never seen this pb |
| 23:03.21 | zappy | i'm dumb |
| 23:03.28 | zappy | ali7288: i have a nvidia, never seen this pb |
| 23:03.29 | valdyn | speakman: they are, just sid dvd may be unreliable, since its "unstable" |
| 23:03.38 | dabreegster | I just use module-assistant to compile that c file, then I get a module that I can modprobe or add to /etc/modules? |
| 23:03.41 | useruser_ | caphuso: google groups to the rescue... looks like pngtopnm and pnmcrop are my friends |
| 23:03.49 | ali7288 | zappy: umm i will come back with the answer to your question |
| 23:03.53 | speakman | valdyn: ok! thanks for helping me out! :D |
| 23:03.55 | ali7288 | thanks for your help |
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| 23:04.17 | speakman | valdyn: by the way... ehm... Do you know why modversions.h is missing even in the linux kernel source? |
| 23:04.23 | valdyn | dabreegster: you use module assistant to compile alsa-source, then you install the create alsa-modules package |
| 23:04.24 | Jon | I have a mixed sources.list testing/unstable as required for nvidia packages. as a normal user I want to grab the source of libgtk, however with or without -t testing, it insists on grabbing the unstable source. anyone know if this is a bug or feature? |
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| 23:04.33 | dabreegster | ok |
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| 23:04.37 | DotHack | zappy: thats probably because the newest nvdidia drivers have a bug i experience the same pb |
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| 23:04.52 | valdyn | speakman: doesnt exist before you configure your kernel |
| 23:04.56 | RedPenguin | Sorry was disconnected |
| 23:05.06 | RedPenguin | What was that command |
| 23:05.14 | RedPenguin | Like man updaterc.d or something? |
| 23:05.30 | DotHack | RedPenguin: update-rc.d |
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| 23:06.20 | RedPenguin | Oh - |
| 23:06.24 | zappy | DotHack: oh |
| 23:06.28 | budi-- | hi if i have shared library in /usr/local/lib how do i tell the compiler to search to that place as well instead of just /usr/lib |
| 23:06.55 | dabreegster | I hate to ask another question, but how exactly do I "use module-assistant to compile alsa-source"? What command do I run? |
| 23:06.59 | valdyn | budi--: add that patch to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig |
| 23:07.04 | valdyn | budi--: add that path to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig |
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| 23:07.13 | DotHack | valdyn: damn just too late :) |
| 23:07.32 | budi-- | ah thanks |
| 23:07.32 | caphuso | dabreegster: /usr/share/doc/module-assistant/ |
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| 23:07.41 | dabreegster | thanks caphuso |
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| 23:08.38 | racoon|birthday | What's the safest way to downgrade from, say, sid to sarge? |
| 23:08.45 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 23:08.46 | dpkg | from memory, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 23:08.52 | opoku | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:09.12 | valdyn | racoon|birthday: reinstall |
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| 23:09.27 | racoon|birthday | valdyn, great |
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| 23:09.52 | racoon|birthday | valdyn, btw, dpkg doesn't happen to have an `insert` function a la emerge/portage does it? |
| 23:10.12 | DotHack | racoon|birthday: well there is a way by setting preference or something |
| 23:10.12 | valdyn | racoon|birthday: i dont know emerge, so i dont know what youre talking about |
| 23:10.16 | racoon|birthday | valdyn, in case you're not familiar with them, I want to create a placebo package to solve temporary dependency issues |
| 23:10.31 | racoon|birthday | valdyn, ^\_ |
| 23:10.41 | ideafix | fuck you |
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| 23:10.56 | dabreegster | So 'module-assistant install alsa-source' will create alsa modules that I can load into my 2.6.7 kernel now? Or is this for when you're building a kernel? |
| 23:11.03 | speakman | valdyn: of course.. thanks.. :) |
| 23:11.18 | speakman | Do anyone have experiences with Debian on Dell PowerEdge servers? |
| 23:11.18 | valdyn | speakman: welcome |
| 23:11.20 | RedPenguin | Damn I should look up Deb's sys requirments, it makes even my 120MHZ/96MB machine fairly fast |
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| 23:11.29 | Lo_Meinix | Hey! |
| 23:11.33 | valdyn | racoon|birthday: thats possible, but im not familiar with it |
| 23:11.36 | Jon | is there a nice easy way to display the build-dep tree for a given package? |
| 23:11.37 | racoon|birthday | speakman, there's no reason they shouldn't work, afaik they just do |
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| 23:11.40 | ideafix | fuck off |
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| 23:11.47 | quittt | how do I clean my dependencies? |
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| 23:11.56 | Lo_Meinix | Take a look at this.....http://www.flightlevel350.com/picwindow.php?cat=19&pic=295 <---dumbass of the year award |
| 23:11.57 | vulture | Jon: I think apt-cache showpkg gives you some of that.. aptitude is probably a nicer way to view it |
| 23:12.00 | quittt | there are depencies here without any apps using them |
| 23:12.02 | azreal | ideafix: problem? |
| 23:12.04 | valdyn | quittt: apt-get -f install |
| 23:12.09 | racoon|birthday | quittt, like emerge depclean on gentoo? I wrote this one down somewhere... |
| 23:12.17 | racoon|birthday | valdyn, he means uninstall non-used packages |
| 23:12.17 | valdyn | quittt: oh, deborphan |
| 23:12.26 | racoon|birthday | valdyn, yeah that one rings a bell |
| 23:12.26 | valdyn | racoon|birthday: yea |
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| 23:12.47 | vulture | quittt: deborphan, but if you use aptitude on debfoster to install packages in the future, it'll keep track of the data for you, and remove unused deps immediately |
| 23:12.48 | valdyn | quittt: debfoster to do it consistently |
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| 23:12.50 | racoon|birthday | oh well, reinstall it is |
| 23:13.02 | [sLiM] | everyone join #superbowl !!!! |
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| 23:13.08 | speakman | racoon|birthday: I've just installed Woody on one, with an netinst specially designed for Dell which i found on the internet.. But I don't know how to get the .config or if there are any patches made to the kernel to make it run! Any ideas? |
| 23:13.29 | travisat | racoon|birthday: save your home directory and it shouldn't be that big of a hassle |
| 23:13.46 | racoon|birthday | speakman, always try using the default generic install first... if it doesn't work, file a bug ;-) |
| 23:13.46 | travisat | racoon|birthday: if you keep the same nick |
| 23:13.53 | racoon|birthday | travisat, I will, don't worry |
| 23:14.03 | racoon|birthday | Looks like that USB drive will come in handy :-) |
| 23:14.13 | dabreegster | module-assistant install alsa-source failed and said see /var/cache/modass/alsa. alsa-source.avail_version and alsa-source.cur_version both contained: 1.0.7-2 |
| 23:14.23 | racoon|birthday | really, I recommend it to everyone here |
| 23:14.32 | uGexe | if i am in kdm, how do i switch to xfce? |
| 23:14.43 | Jon | vulture: thanks, that's pretty interesting but doesn't show build dependencies, only install dependencies. I don't think aptitude handles build dependencies at all, either |
| 23:14.45 | racoon|birthday | buy a $10 USB2 enclosure... and a nice IDE drive... |
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| 23:14.53 | racoon|birthday | cheap mobile storage |
| 23:15.13 | racoon|birthday | It's reasonably fast on PC's with firewire 400/800 or USB2. |
| 23:15.13 | speakman | racoon|birthday: I can't find any information about any specificly needed patches.. I will try to just compile the original first.. thnx |
| 23:15.14 | valdyn | Jon: apt-get build-dep <package> is what you want? |
| 23:15.15 | dabreegster | Apparently I have the source package of alsa-source and not the binary |
| 23:15.33 | valdyn | dabreegster: hence the name SOURCE |
| 23:15.44 | racoon|birthday | speakman, most likely some drivers aren't included by default and you'll have to modprobe them -- don't worry about it now, just make sure you get a prompt :-) |
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| 23:16.00 | zappy | uGexe: you don't see it in the list of wms ? |
| 23:16.07 | dabreegster | valdyn: ok, well, what do I do? install alsa-source failed. |
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| 23:16.16 | Will | rc.dslextreme.com |
| 23:16.20 | R4Ndom | After "adding" my printer with foomatic, it doesn't appear. |
| 23:16.28 | valdyn | dabreegster: what failed? |
| 23:16.38 | dabreegster | module-assistant install alsa-source failed and said see /var/cache/modass/alsa. alsa-source.avail_version and alsa-source.cur_version both contained: 1.0.7-2 |
| 23:16.44 | valdyn | dabreegster: did you finally use module-assistant? did you install headers for you kernel? |
| 23:16.51 | dabreegster | wait, auto-install alsa is doing something |
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| 23:17.20 | dabreegster | valdyn: I'm using module-assistant. I don't understand the header thing |
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| 23:17.36 | speakman | racoon|birthday: I think the only thing should be the SCSI drivers... That would really make it self clear, if it doesn't load ! :D |
| 23:17.55 | zappy | dabreegster: what do you have in /usr/src ? Did you compile your kernel urself ? |
| 23:18.04 | R4Ndom | After adding my printer with foomatic, it doesn't appear in the list... |
| 23:18.06 | dabreegster | apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-386? |
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| 23:18.20 | dabreegster | zappy: no. I apt-got a kernel-image |
| 23:18.37 | zappy | k. the 2.6.7-1 one ? |
| 23:18.41 | dabreegster | yes |
| 23:18.50 | valdyn | dabreegster: yes, if your kernel-image fits that, apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 23:19.06 | dabreegster | apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-386 says headers-2.6.7-1-386 has no installation candidate |
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| 23:19.30 | vulture | Jon: ah, misread your question, apt-get build-dep foo will install them, not sure how to list them.. |
| 23:19.35 | biotech | any one know about knoppix that i can talk to? |
| 23:19.40 | brandonkbelew | hello, im having a problem with my build of woody, can someone help me? |
| 23:20.03 | dabreegster | do I need to apt-get update? |
| 23:20.10 | DotHack | biotech: #knoppix ? |
| 23:20.25 | biotech | thanks |
| 23:20.25 | valdyn | dabreegster: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 23:20.36 | dabreegster | upgrade? why? |
| 23:20.57 | opoku | I have a problem getting rid of an ugly boot error message about the boot sector not matching its backup. I know the error is produced when fsck.vfat is run but there seems to be no way to repair this error. Any ideas? |
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| 23:21.12 | Gathond | dabreegster: because update only fetches new package lists |
| 23:21.20 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.23 | Jon | vulture: ah ok, thanks anyway :) for this occasion I've hand-picked a subset |
| 23:21.31 | dabreegster | I'm on dialup. Upgrade will take forever! |
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| 23:21.43 | DotHack | opoku: fat has 2 fat tables 1 primary 1 backup it seems that they differ |
| 23:21.44 | toresbe | Um, I'm having problems getting my SPARC to boot here |
| 23:21.45 | dabreegster | I'll try it though. |
| 23:21.46 | cafuego | dabreegster: Just tell it to start diownloading when you go to bed. |
| 23:21.51 | toresbe | I can get it booting 2.4 no problems |
| 23:22.04 | valdyn | dabreegster: try to fetch headers from snapshot,debian.org |
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| 23:22.06 | cafuego | dabreegster: it should be able to manage a couple hundred Mb overnight. |
| 23:22.13 | toresbe | but 2.6 gives me "VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-root(0,0) |
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| 23:22.25 | R4Ndom | After adding my printer with foomatic, it doesn't appear in the list... please help. |
| 23:22.33 | dabreegster | ok |
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| 23:22.39 | brandonkbelew | Anyone know if there is a way to upgrade the glibc librarys to the newest version? |
| 23:22.41 | DotHack | R4Ndom: you got cups? |
| 23:22.42 | Kerr | !jvm |
| 23:22.42 | dpkg | from memory, jvm is Java Virtual Machine. deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free |
| 23:22.44 | zenlunatic | whats the command to ssh1 into a machine? |
| 23:22.52 | dabreegster | But why do I have to upgrade just to get kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-386? |
| 23:22.52 | R4Ndom | I believe so.. |
| 23:22.54 | cafuego | zenlunatic: man ssh |
| 23:23.07 | DotHack | R4Ndom: got to http://localhost:631/ |
| 23:23.10 | toresbe | zenlunatic: ssh -1 but why the heck would you want to do that? (Tip: you don't.) |
| 23:23.34 | Gathond | zenlunatic: any specific reason to use ssh v1 (it the server only supports that the client should fallback ... unless configured not to (good thing TM)) |
| 23:23.54 | m0rbid|gone | bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbccccccccccccccccccczzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 23:24.18 | toresbe | m0rbid|gone has a cat, or is just drunk |
| 23:24.18 | Kerr | ... |
| 23:24.27 | valdyn | dabreegster: you dont, but youre running an old installation of a testing or unstable debian release , using packages that are no longer in it |
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| 23:25.18 | dabreegster | valdyn: ok.. Well, so can I just get the package I need and worry about the other stuff later? |
| 23:25.36 | valdyn | dabreegster: yes |
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| 23:26.36 | furtive | where can i find Crypt-CBC-2.12 its not on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 23:27.32 | paulswm | brandonkbelew: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade should do the trick |
| 23:27.32 | dabreegster | valdyn: well, how exactly? kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-386 can't be found on packages.debian.org |
| 23:27.32 | valdyn | dabreegster: snapshots.debian.org |
| 23:27.32 | ralf | Hola |
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| 23:27.51 | valdyn | dabreegster: that service is down for me, i cant help with that.. |
| 23:28.08 | furtive | ? |
| 23:28.19 | dabreegster | yeah, it's not working. |
| 23:28.27 | dabreegster | oh well; thanks anyway |
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| 23:29.28 | dabreegster | Can't I just grab that package off a mirror? |
| 23:29.54 | valdyn | dabreegster: snapshot.debian.net |
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| 23:30.08 | quittt | how do I make all applications use OSS?? |
| 23:30.16 | quittt | how do I make all applications use ESD sorry |
| 23:30.17 | n3o_X | Hmm, when i try connecting to a samba domain controller it says: Access denied. Can i not use my root login in order to join the domain? if i cant, what kind of permissions do i need to give a user to join the domain>? |
| 23:30.21 | dabreegster | oh, cool. typos are annoying :P |
| 23:30.45 | dabreegster | quittt: esddsp? |
| 23:31.00 | brandonkbelew | paulswm: I need the glibc library from sarge though, the version in woody wont work with my apps |
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| 23:31.01 | furtive | does anyone know where can i find Crypt-CBC-2.12? its not on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 23:31.18 | cafuego | furtive: perl? |
| 23:31.22 | furtive | yea |
| 23:31.34 | cafuego | furtive: apt-get install dh-make-perl |
| 23:31.53 | furtive | i can't use apt-get i'm not root thats why i gotta dl it |
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| 23:32.27 | paulswm | brandonkbelew: if you're not running a highly secure production server, perhaps you should consider upgrding to sarge? |
| 23:32.51 | quittt | damnit |
| 23:33.18 | valdyn | quittt: that depends on the app |
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| 23:33.27 | quittt | valdyn, I know! |
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| 23:33.33 | brandonkbelew | paulswm: im running some gameservers on it, is there a command to run to upgrade? if so, would it kill the stuff I have installed? |
| 23:33.38 | quittt | I want mix sound of ALL my applications!! |
| 23:33.43 | dabreegster | quittt: what? didnt work? esddsp should redirect all requests to the dsp device to esd |
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| 23:33.57 | quittt | dabreegster, it didnt |
| 23:33.57 | valdyn | quittt: did you get dmix working for anything at all? |
| 23:33.59 | PerfDave | quittt: You shouldn't need to use ESP to get sound mixing. |
| 23:33.59 | furtive | so no ideas? |
| 23:34.19 | quittt | PerfDave, what should I use? |
| 23:34.19 | cool_blade | bradonkelew: you have to change your /etc/apt/sources to suit, basically change everything from 'stable' or 'woody' to 'sarge' |
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| 23:34.26 | quittt | valdyn, no |
| 23:34.27 | PerfDave | quittt: ALSA |
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| 23:34.33 | quittt | PerfDave, tell me how |
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| 23:34.39 | PerfDave | furtive: Is that a Perl module? |
| 23:34.42 | tull | hello |
| 23:34.46 | PerfDave | quittt: Sorry, I'm busy at the moment. |
| 23:34.47 | cafuego | brandonkbelew: Did you fully break your woody system by installing a bunch of sarge packages? |
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| 23:35.05 | tull | how do i patch my kernel? is it like this : "patch -p1 < /path/to/kernel/patch"??? |
| 23:35.05 | quittt | valdyn, it is IMPOSSIBLE to make dmix work |
| 23:35.08 | quittt | simply IMPOSSIBLE |
| 23:35.10 | zenlunati | tull hello |
| 23:35.16 | paulswm | brandonkbelew: I don't know whether it would break local stuff, so backup just in case, but to upgrade: change stable to testing in /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:35.18 | valdyn | quittt: this doesnt work, you need to ask for _one_ application to do _one_ thing, then someone may be able to help |
| 23:35.27 | zenlunati | q |
| 23:35.30 | brandonkbelew | No, woody isnt broken, it just doenst have the right glibc package to run Counter-strike source servers, or any bots using shared libs |
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| 23:35.59 | furtive | PerfDave yes it is |
| 23:36.02 | valdyn | quittt: otherwise i can write a master thesis about it and still not hit your issue |
| 23:36.15 | quittt | valdyn, it is confusing! |
| 23:36.22 | quittt | I want sound mixed in ALL my apps |
| 23:36.24 | cool_blade | brandonkbelew: do a apt-get dist-upgrade to sarge, that's what you want. It should seemless upgrade you. |
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| 23:36.25 | quittt | not only one |
| 23:36.42 | quittt | I dont have midi too |
| 23:36.45 | PerfDave | furtive: Use dh-make-perl to install the version from CPAN as a Perl module |
| 23:37.03 | cafuego | PerfDave: furtive has no root access |
| 23:37.12 | PerfDave | cafuego: Oh, bum |
| 23:37.20 | brandonkbelew | ok |
| 23:37.23 | dabreegster | Weird. kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-386 on snapshot.debian.net is kernel-image. |
| 23:37.26 | PerfDave | cafuego: Then how would it being packaged for Debian already help? ;) |
| 23:37.28 | furtive | i can't do it from cpan either cpan likes to give me test errors |
| 23:37.33 | valdyn | quittt: ok: have you tried the asoundrc from /msg dpkg dmix |
| 23:37.33 | furtive | but when i do it manually it works |
| 23:37.39 | furtive | thats why i need the tar.gz of it |
| 23:37.40 | PerfDave | furtive: You can force the install to avoid the test errors. |
| 23:37.46 | cafuego | PerfDave: *shrug* |
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| 23:37.51 | furtive | yea but it still doesn't work after that lol |
| 23:37.51 | quittt | valdyn, yes I do |
| 23:37.57 | valdyn | quittt: with something other than q3a because q3a does not support alsa |
| 23:38.00 | quittt | !dmix |
| 23:38.00 | dpkg | i guess dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 23:38.03 | furtive | cpan hates me |
| 23:38.28 | quittt | valdyn, it needs to support OSS emulation too |
| 23:38.28 | travisat | furtive: without root access how do expect to install it anyway? |
| 23:38.30 | valdyn | quittt: one thing after the other |
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| 23:38.44 | furtive | i can install it to my local dir |
| 23:38.52 | furtive | its just for irssi anyway |
| 23:39.03 | furtive | thats how i installed libwww-perl |
| 23:39.10 | furtive | but libwww-perl is on debians package site |
| 23:39.11 | PerfDave | furtive: There may be a reason why the tests are failing... |
| 23:39.18 | valdyn | quittt: that asoundrc is great.. now |
| 23:39.22 | furtive | they don't fail when i do it manually |
| 23:39.27 | furtive | its cpan being a bugger |
| 23:39.36 | valdyn | quittt: aplay <some.wav> twice , so if that works |
| 23:39.50 | valdyn | quittt: aplay <some.wav> twice , see if that works |
| 23:40.20 | brandonkbelew | This server im needing to upgrade is remote, will i be locked out if i upgrade to sarge? |
| 23:40.32 | PerfDave | brandonkbelew: You shouldn't be. |
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| 23:41.34 | quittt | valdyn, it doesnt only one time |
| 23:41.36 | quittt | ridiculous |
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| 23:41.46 | dabreegster | While I'm wrestling with alsa, how would I go about getting Creative Labs SB Audigy LS to work with OSS? Apparently it's supported. |
| 23:42.20 | quittt | valdyn, I didnt kill esd hehe |
| 23:42.20 | quittt | sorry |
| 23:42.34 | Kerr | is installing java packages from http://www.kofeina.net/eloy/debian/ likely to hurt my sarge box? |
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| 23:42.53 | cunumen | If i want to change my username, would it be reasonable to grep my / and change all instances where it occurs? |
| 23:42.54 | valdyn | !esd |
| 23:42.54 | dpkg | i heard esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 23:42.55 | PerfDave | Kerr: Java gives you cancer ;) |
| 23:43.06 | quittt | valdyn, at the same time? |
| 23:43.12 | Kerr | PerfDave: it also gives me limewire, which gives me riaa |
| 23:43.21 | valdyn | quittt: yea, in 2 consoles |
| 23:43.24 | cool_blade | dabreegster: i'd stick with alsa man, less headaches then OSS. If you really need OSS use the alsa oss bindings |
| 23:43.25 | Cybodog | using apt-get, aptitude or synaptic I get the following error: http://www.pastebin.com/238603 which I have never seen before |
| 23:43.27 | dabreegster | why's dpkg diss esd? esd is pretty cool |
| 23:43.31 | Kerr | PerfDave: If i get cancer i can hide form them in some hospice or other. |
| 23:43.38 | PerfDave | Kerr: There are non-Java Gnutella clients. |
| 23:43.38 | Kerr | PerfDave: it's a plus *nods* |
| 23:43.38 | pseubodot | riaa - cancer? is there a difference? |
| 23:43.41 | valdyn | quittt: or hwoever you like, make it so 2 can run at the same time |
| 23:43.47 | PerfDave | pseubodot: Java gives you the RIAA ;) |
| 23:43.57 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.02 | pseubodot | PerfDave: but not the other way around, right? :) |
| 23:44.03 | dabreegster | cool_blade: I'm on a super-slow machine, so OSS is really better |
| 23:44.15 | PerfDave | pseubodot: Actually, they're evil enough... |
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| 23:44.25 | pseubodot | PerfDave: Java or RIAA? |
| 23:44.35 | Cybodog | http://www.pastebin.com/238604 that is the section from my dpkg-preconfigure |
| 23:44.35 | pseubodot | PerfDave: I already knew RIAA was evil... |
| 23:44.44 | quittt | ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:203:(make_local_socket) connect failed: /tmp/alsa-dmix-5383-1107733615-959805: Permission denied |
| 23:44.44 | quittt | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:898:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to connect client |
| 23:44.44 | quittt | aplay: main:508: audio open error: Permission denied |
| 23:44.52 | quittt | valdyn, as I said |
| 23:44.54 | Cybodog | I dont know enough c to read this at all. |
| 23:44.55 | quittt | it DOESNT work |
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| 23:45.05 | PerfDave | pseubodot: The RIAA are evil enough to give you Java ;) |
| 23:45.26 | pseubodot | PerfDave: Oh my... |
| 23:45.31 | valdyn | quittt: on both? |
| 23:45.32 | Kerr | PerfDave: are there any debian-friendly multi protocol p2p clients you can reccomend me? |
| 23:45.43 | quittt | no |
| 23:45.46 | quittt | one worked |
| 23:45.50 | quittt | the other didnt |
| 23:46.06 | PerfDave | Kerr: Dunno, the only one I use is BitTorrent. |
| 23:46.17 | PerfDave | Kerr: Nictotine is quite good as a soulseek client. |
| 23:46.26 | quittt | PerfDave, help me plz |
| 23:46.27 | cool_blade | dabreegster: damn that's nasty man, try and use the emu10k1 oss driver in the stock kernel |
| 23:46.28 | PerfDave | Kerr: And there's mldonkey but I never got it working. |
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| 23:46.41 | valdyn | quittt: paste your ~/.asoundrc to flood please |
| 23:46.44 | PerfDave | quittt: Sorry, I'm too busy to do anything involving actual thought. |
| 23:47.02 | quittt | valdyn, it is dpkg one |
| 23:47.06 | chitiri | what program out there you recommend to edit manpages, preferible a gtk-based one |
| 23:47.14 | quittt | !slackware |
| 23:47.14 | dpkg | [slackware] what we used to use before we had real distributions, or has 4,999 users, now that zatmac uses debian, or for the terminally masochistic, or like debian but without the good things, or the best linux distribution =), or smackware, or the best distrbution evar, or crackware |
| 23:47.46 | RedPenguin | What is a good download manager to use incase you have to once in a while break it and resume it later? But one that also keeps a history? |
| 23:47.49 | valdyn | quittt: i doubt it, or you named it wrongly |
| 23:48.01 | Kerr | PerfDave: this is some kind of sick joke. the anime epispde i've been waiting three weeks to even connect on ares lite just decided to rocket off at 44kb/sec... must have sensed it was in danger of being replaced. |
| 23:48.10 | quittt | asound.conf in /etc |
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| 23:48.39 | PerfDave | chitiri: gvim? ;) |
| 23:49.32 | valdyn | quittt: and whats in your ~/ ? |
| 23:49.44 | Cybodog | using apt-get, aptitude or synaptic I get the following error: http://www.pastebin.com/238603 which I have never seen before |
| 23:50.10 | quittt | valdyn, WORKED!! |
| 23:50.14 | quittt | I had to restart ALSA |
| 23:50.18 | quittt | now it is working |
| 23:50.20 | quittt | great! |
| 23:50.45 | quittt | so ALSA is mixed |
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| 23:50.50 | quittt | now I need to mix OSS |
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| 23:51.08 | valdyn | quittt: thats easy for at least most apps, apt-get install aoss |
| 23:51.19 | valdyn | quittt: and aoss somefuckingossapp |
| 23:51.25 | paulswm | RedPenguin: the download manager in firefox will do that |
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| 23:51.59 | Rawplayer | Cybodog: apt-get -f install |
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| 23:52.03 | dabreegster | I'm having an insane amount of trouble getting kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-386. On snapshot.debian.net, it just points me to a kernel-image. Where can I get the kernel headers for a 2.6.7-1 386 kernel? |
| 23:52.12 | Cybodog | Rawplayer, will do |
| 23:52.13 | RedPenguin | Hmmm |
| 23:52.17 | valdyn | quittt: though just running an oss app and letting it use the alsa emulation layer wont use dmix |
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| 23:52.47 | quittt | valdyn, the problem is |
| 23:52.57 | quittt | I cant type aoss to all applications |
| 23:53.01 | quittt | I need to mix OSS |
| 23:53.08 | paulswm | what is with the obsession with hitting enter every five words today |
| 23:53.22 | valdyn | quittt: you dont have to do that, but |
| 23:53.32 | valdyn | quittt: which applications are you talking about anyway? |
| 23:53.33 | chitiri | PerfDave: gvim alone ? |
| 23:53.34 | DotHack | paulswm: its called msn hehe |
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| 23:54.03 | chitiri | PerfDave: I mean, something for the wannabe man creator, that knows names of tags, but nothing else |
| 23:54.05 | quittt | valdyn, the quality is SHITTY! |
| 23:54.12 | paulswm | DotHack: It drives me nuts |
| 23:54.16 | dabreegster | Where can I grab kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-386? It has no installation candidate and on snapshot.debian.net, it points to the kernel-image package. |
| 23:54.22 | Cybodog | ran apt-get -f install: ran apt-get install evolution (works on all programs I install) get the same errror as before: http://www.pastebin.com/238603 |
| 23:54.28 | valdyn | quittt: for what? |
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| 23:55.39 | Cybodog | does anybody know of any dpgk bugs agains sid? apt-listbugs did not report any? |
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| 23:56.34 | Cybodog | dpgk = dpkg |
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| 23:57.02 | quittt | valdyn, some apps let mixing |
| 23:57.03 | paulswm | sid = unstable |
| 23:57.04 | quittt | some dont |
| 23:57.11 | dabreegster | Do I need kernel-tree or something? I'm just trying to get the kernel headers so I can compile an alsa module. |
| 23:57.25 | sgeigerbot | I recently read about holelogd (for a syslog proxy for chroot environments)...but I'll be damned if I can find it. Is anyone using an alternative? |
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| 23:57.29 | racoon|birthday | what bt tracker sites do you guys use? |
| 23:57.34 | Cybodog | sid does = unstable which is why I am asking if anyone knows of any bugs reported. |
| 23:57.42 | valdyn | quittt: which applications quality is shitty? which dont let "mix" ? |
| 23:57.50 | cafuego | When did this turn into a w4r3z channel? |
| 23:57.51 | quittt | PrBoom |
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| 23:58.02 | quittt | Slune |
| 23:58.10 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: are you talking to me? |
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| 23:58.19 | quittt | Quake 3 |
| 23:58.24 | metzger | hey, Question about C programming: I created a socket and tried to connect() to it. I caught the error that it wasnt able to connect and fprinted and exit(). The problem is that I get a broken pipe... any ideas? |
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| 23:58.30 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Eh! |
| 23:58.42 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: get a clue. |
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| 23:58.50 | valdyn | quittt: ok, i dont know these =/. If you use aoss then you need to adjust sample rate for some apps ( like esd ). For me: "aoss esd -r 48000" |
| 23:58.58 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: http://www.google.com/search?q=clue&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
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| 23:59.03 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: What have you been smoking? |
| 23:59.10 | PerfDave | racoon|birthday: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com:6969/ ;) |
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| 23:59.12 | sussudio | cafuego: his own dried up poo |
| 23:59.23 | Kerr | back to my origional question. Karma ignored, is installing java packages from http://www.kofeina.net/eloy/debian/ likely to hurt my sarge box? |
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