| 00:00.06 | Glitch_Master | Flimzy: Why would I want to? |
| 00:00.12 | sparr | us.debian.org is a package repository right? |
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| 00:00.23 | Flimzy | Glitch_Master: Apparantly b/c it plays Flash better |
| 00:00.36 | FieldySnuts | it's flash. who cares. |
| 00:00.43 | JRWR | i cant mount my floppy drive! |
| 00:00.47 | FieldySnuts | @fuck flash and MacroMedia just for shits |
| 00:00.51 | SexyKen | !(43.95 - 41.95)/ 43.95 * 100 |
| 00:00.52 | dpkg | 4.550625711035 |
| 00:00.52 | paulswm | !win FieldySnuts |
| 00:00.52 | FieldySnuts | beth: heh |
| 00:00.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, FieldySnuts! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 00:01.05 | cthulfuego | woo |
| 00:01.05 | JRWR | it says it could notdetermine the filesystem |
| 00:01.06 | FieldySnuts | christmas island? that's a new one3 |
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| 00:01.17 | chealer | Glitch_Master: you're using swf-player? |
| 00:01.19 | SexyKen | !(43.95 - 40.95)/ 43.95 * 100 |
| 00:01.19 | dpkg | 6.825938566553 |
| 00:01.24 | FieldySnuts | @stfu SexyKen |
| 00:01.26 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP SexyKen! |
| 00:01.27 | caphuso | SexyKen: you stop that right now |
| 00:01.35 | SexyKen | Hrm. |
| 00:01.38 | beth | yeah, no math in the channel! |
| 00:01.40 | SexyKen | Why? It's helping me. |
| 00:01.44 | Glitch_Master | chealer: No. I'm using the Mozilla Flash plugin. |
| 00:01.48 | cthulfuego | Christmas Island doesn't accept one-way passengers, they get arrested, put in detention at Woomera (radioactive desert) and sent home. |
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| 00:01.50 | FieldySnuts | SexyKen: echo "formula" | bc |
| 00:01.51 | Glitch_Master | (Mozilla 1.x) |
| 00:01.52 | caphuso | SexyKen: and it's annoying up to 750 other people |
| 00:01.58 | caphuso | SexyKen: which means you lose |
| 00:02.00 | beth | SexyKen: /msg |
| 00:02.05 | paulswm | !stupid bot tricks |
| 00:02.05 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
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| 00:02.16 | FieldySnuts | owwie |
| 00:02.19 | RedPenguin | Just out of curiousity |
| 00:02.23 | chealer | Glitch_Master: the Mozilla Flash plugin? I didn't know there was ONE Flash plugin Mozilla. |
| 00:02.23 | Glitch_Master | I switched to Linux hoping for more than just a properly organized filesystem, security, and stability. I was also hoping for good memory and CPU management. I can understand that using all available memory all the time is part of the memory management, but I still don't understand why normally simple tasks take up so much of my resources... enough to make the system lag... |
| 00:02.28 | FieldySnuts | wee |
| 00:02.32 | Flimzy | Glitch_Master: There are several things to consider when comparing a Flash player under Windows vs. under Linux (or any peice of comparable software). 1) Different authors may use better or worse algorythms. 2) Different types of hardware drivers may require different types of programming, and consequently, different levels of performance. 3) There are often many implimentations of something in Linux. Some may be better than others at p |
| 00:02.33 | Flimzy | erformance, while others are better at being free, for instance. |
| 00:02.37 | RedPenguin | If you do mkfs.msdos on a floppy, does that mean it can be then read by Windows? |
| 00:02.38 | caphuso | FFS, it says right in the /topic to /msg the bots. why does everyone have so much problems with understanding that? |
| 00:02.44 | Flimzy | Glitch_Master: Perhaps the flash player you're using is just a poor implimentation. |
| 00:02.47 | khert | how do i get the command history for bash in all my terminals? |
| 00:03.04 | Flimzy | Glitch_Master: Or perhaps Windows sucks just as much as Linux does, and it's just better at hiding it. |
| 00:03.04 | khert | i know every terminal has a separate history log |
| 00:03.06 | FieldySnuts | cat ~/.bash_history ? |
| 00:03.08 | Glitch_Master | Flimzy: It's made by macromedia... the creators of Flash. |
| 00:03.09 | Flimzy | Glitch_Master: Or perhaps something is misconfigured. |
| 00:03.12 | Glitch_Master | Macromedia* |
| 00:03.16 | FieldySnuts | Glitch_Master: yeah there's the problem. |
| 00:03.18 | Glitch_Master | Flimzy: It has no configuration. |
| 00:03.23 | paulswm | RedPenguin: yes |
| 00:03.31 | Glitch_Master | Eh... well what do you recommend? Also, is there a shockwave for Mozilla? |
| 00:03.33 | khert | fieldy, is that for all the terminals or just the one i'm in right now? |
| 00:03.39 | Flimzy | Glitch_Master: no configuration, huh? |
| 00:03.46 | FieldySnuts | not using flash. |
| 00:03.48 | Flimzy | Glitch_Master: Every piece of software has _some_ level of configuration. |
| 00:04.06 | chealer | Glitch_Master: no there's not |
| 00:04.18 | chealer | Glitch_Master: other flash implementations are worst |
| 00:04.19 | sparr | whats a good repository for central US? |
| 00:04.24 | JRWR | when i try to mount my floppy drive it says /dev/fd0 is not a vaild blockdevice |
| 00:04.36 | Flimzy | Glitch_Master: Anyway, having said all that (and I would have said this sooner, but I didn't want to look like a troll)... Flash sucks anyway, so why bother? :P |
| 00:04.40 | FieldySnuts | it's flash, don't expect goodness or reasonability |
| 00:04.41 | Glitch_Master | FieldySnuts: I LIKE flash. There isn't any other sort of flowing interactive media that can be embedded in pages and built into games without taking up a lot of space. |
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| 00:04.44 | chealer | Glitch_Master: what kind of CPU usage are you talking about? |
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| 00:04.56 | FieldySnuts | Glitch_Master: bitch to macromedia to come out with a good linux client, then. not our fault or problem. |
| 00:05.12 | chealer | indeed |
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| 00:05.20 | paulswm | absolutely |
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| 00:05.32 | Glitch_Master | chealer: Maxed out from... err... How can I check the MHz of the processor easily? I can never remember the number... |
| 00:05.34 | RedPenguin | k |
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| 00:05.48 | vordul | Glitch_Master = troll |
| 00:05.52 | Glitch_Master | FieldySnuts: There are many other things that also take up a rediculous amount of CPU power, like NES emulators and such. |
| 00:05.56 | Flimzy | Glitch_Master: You mean "There isn't any" not "there isn't any other" |
| 00:06.00 | chealer | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:06.00 | paulswm | Glitch_Master: dmesg|grep CPU |
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| 00:06.39 | dw | greetings. is there a recommended reading for building your own debian packages i can find nothing official on google |
| 00:06.48 | dw | s/packages/packages./ |
| 00:06.54 | _rene_ | the official way? |
| 00:07.03 | _rene_ | debian new maintainers guide |
| 00:07.09 | _rene_ | apt-get install maint-guide |
| 00:07.13 | Xemacs_ | dw, the developer referance manual |
| 00:07.22 | dw | thanks :) |
| 00:07.35 | dw | im trying to build a new exim4-config. this seems a bit tedious |
| 00:07.36 | d0t | Is it worth the time to recompile debian packages for 686, ANY considerable speed increases when compared to the 386 packages? |
| 00:07.44 | JRWR | when i try to mount my floppy drive it says /dev/fd0 is not a vaild blockdevice |
| 00:07.44 | reamtS | what is the man-page package for c++ libraries? |
| 00:07.45 | Glitch_Master | "dmesg|grep CPU" returns nothing, as always. |
| 00:07.55 | JRWR | can any one help |
| 00:07.55 | _rene_ | d0t: in 99.8% no |
| 00:07.56 | Flimzy | dw: Look at "developer's corner" on debian.org (the obvious place) |
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| 00:08.15 | d0t | just wondering what accounts for that .2 % though :D |
| 00:08.20 | directhex | d0t, kernel and libc6. both of which have pre-made 686 packages |
| 00:08.23 | Flimzy | d0t: That depends on the package. But generally speaking, there will be no noticable performance improvement. |
| 00:08.24 | _rene_ | d0t: kernel, libc |
| 00:08.30 | d0t | I see |
| 00:08.38 | dw | Flimzy: i'm not a developer, i'm an administrator. yet i must build packages to use exim4 the way i choose. this is not obvious :) |
| 00:08.41 | vordul | Glitch_Master - You can't be serious :-\ |
| 00:08.48 | Buuyo^ | Can I force apt to reinstall every package that I have installed from all of my sources? |
| 00:08.52 | Flimzy | d0t: The .2% would be accounted for by things like mplayer, xine, transoce, etc. Things that do lots of repetitious CPU-intensive stuff. |
| 00:08.54 | paulswm | Glitch_Master: It could be poorly configured hardware, poorly configured software, or just poor software, for instance I can NFS mount with a max transfer rate of 10MB/sec or a transfer rate of 130kB/sec just with one poorly chosen mount parameter. One the bright side, it's free. |
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| 00:09.22 | ironflippy | question about sound, is there a specific channel for that? the channel list is way too friggin long for my 500Mhz cpu |
| 00:09.23 | paulswm | s/One/On/ |
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| 00:09.28 | Flimzy | dw: Well then... the answer becomes: "developers corner" on debian.org (the obvious place if you think about it for more than 2 seconds) |
| 00:09.57 | _rene_ | d0t: then you become a package developer. you develop a package for yourself :) |
| 00:09.58 | d0t | I expected processor intensive apps would have SOME benefits yielded from a recompile, intereseting... |
| 00:10.05 | _rene_ | args |
| 00:10.06 | _rene_ | ENICK |
| 00:10.07 | Buuyo^ | I had a bit of a run-in with filesystem corruption, and I'm not sure the system will be stable unless I reinstall everything. I want to avoid doing everything by hand. :| |
| 00:10.07 | d0t | hehehe, im working on it rene |
| 00:10.08 | d0t | :D |
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| 00:10.22 | ironflippy | anyone want to help me for a sec? |
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| 00:10.29 | dw | thanks all |
| 00:10.30 | Glitch_Master | I guess Flash is just generally CPU intensive... :\ |
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| 00:10.38 | Flimzy | d0t: Yeah, that's what I just said |
| 00:10.45 | d0t | thanks flimzy |
| 00:11.15 | Flimzy | d0t: filecompressors/decompressors might notice a slight bennefit... but the bottleneck there is usually I/O speed and not CPU speed |
| 00:12.07 | reamtS | what is the man-page package for c++ libraries? |
| 00:12.09 | Flimzy | d0t: On a heavily loaded system, they might notice an improvement |
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| 00:13.53 | jugglinx | /connect irc.linux-chile.com |
| 00:14.01 | jugglinx | sorry |
| 00:14.05 | chealer | if I install libc6-i686, is will be used automatically? |
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| 00:14.50 | directhex | chealer, yes |
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| 00:15.24 | ironflippy | is there a sound specific channel? |
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| 00:16.15 | chealer | thanks directhex. what kind of speedup would it be to compile libc6 for Athlon XP? |
| 00:16.16 | Flimzy | ironflippy: uhm... sound is a very broad subject. Do you mean getting a sound card to work in Linux? |
| 00:16.19 | Flimzy | ironflippy: Or sound editing? |
| 00:16.22 | Flimzy | iris: or...? |
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| 00:16.35 | Flimzy | chealer: probably very little if any, for most applications. |
| 00:16.39 | ironflippy | Flimzy: getting a soundcard to work |
| 00:16.49 | Buuyo^ | Getting my ensoniq to work required me downgrading to 2.4.27 ;) |
| 00:16.56 | Flimzy | ironflippy: I'm not aware of any channel that deals specifically with that. You can probably ask your question here, though. |
| 00:17.16 | chealer | you can certainly, as long as you're using debian |
| 00:17.21 | jcurry | I am trying to get apache+ssl to work: i made the self-signed certs, and added the section httpd.conf, but https:// gives me an error, and the logs shows a ' 127.0.0.1 - - [07/Feb/2005:19:13:23 -0500] "\x80g\x01\x03" 401 - "-" "-" "-" ' line...the apache startup header does show mod_ssl as being loaded...any ideas? |
| 00:17.28 | ironflippy | ok, well, it's actually the built-in sound on an old compaq =/ |
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| 00:17.38 | ironflippy | of course i'm using debian |
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| 00:17.47 | ironflippy | hence why i'm here |
| 00:18.20 | chealer | so ask your question |
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| 00:18.35 | ironflippy | i don't know where to start in getting it to work |
| 00:18.54 | dvs | ironflippy: lspci | grep audio |
| 00:19.05 | Flimzy | ironflippy: start by determining which chipset your sound card uses. |
| 00:19.05 | ironflippy | thanks, i'll give that a shot |
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| 00:19.14 | ironflippy | how do i do that? |
| 00:19.18 | dvs | ironflippy: lspci | grep audio |
| 00:19.26 | Flimzy | ironflippy: You may be able to determine that by looking at it physically, by reading specds on the motherboard (try compaq.com), or perhaps by looking at /proc/pci (if it's a PCI card) |
| 00:19.42 | ironflippy | it's on the mobo |
| 00:20.02 | dvs | ironflippy: Must I say it a third time |
| 00:20.11 | Flimzy | ironflippy: Yes, you said that. So try the three things I just suggested. |
| 00:20.44 | ironflippy | ess tech. allegro |
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| 00:21.51 | ironflippy | the es1988 if it helps |
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| 00:22.27 | Flimzy | ironflippy: Yup, that's what you needed. |
| 00:23.07 | ironflippy | ok, now how do i configure it? |
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| 00:23.20 | Flimzy | ironflippy: Install the appropriate driver/module now |
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| 00:23.49 | RedPenguin | Anyone play around with Mondo Rescue? |
| 00:24.23 | barra | How could I add a user to a group at the console ? |
| 00:24.35 | caphuso | barra: adduser user group; log out; log in |
| 00:24.40 | Flimzy | barra: edit /etc/groups is one way |
| 00:24.48 | RedPenguin | usermod is another |
| 00:24.49 | barra | thanks |
| 00:25.02 | barra | Flimzy: I know your way but not the other ;) |
| 00:25.29 | Flimzy | barra: you can use adduser, as caphuso just explained. I always just edit /etc/groups tho heh |
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| 00:26.09 | jcurry | I am trying to get apache+ssl to work: i made the self-signed certs, and added the section httpd.conf, but https:// gives me an error, and the logs shows a ' 127.0.0.1 - - [07/Feb/2005:19:13:23 -0500] "\x80g\x01\x03" 401 - "-" "-" "-" ' line...the apache startup header does show mod_ssl as being loaded...any ideas? |
| 00:26.53 | RedPenguin | I can't remember, does Debian normally use LILO or GRUB? |
| 00:27.11 | Flimzy | jcurry: I can't help you b/c I've never done that... but something obvious you could do is tell us *what* error https:// gives. |
| 00:27.20 | Flimzy | jcurry: b/c, for instance, if it gives a 404 error, then the solution is obvious. |
| 00:27.31 | Flimzy | jcurry: Error messages are usually there for a reason... if you ignore them, you're only shooting yourself in the foot. |
| 00:27.40 | adapt | is sarge the way to go for a desktop? -- |
| 00:27.41 | jcurry | An error occurred while loading https://kant:443/: |
| 00:27.41 | jcurry | Could not connect to host kant. |
| 00:27.47 | jcurry | where kant is my hostname |
| 00:28.04 | dvs | RedPenguin: woody used lilo but sarge will use grub |
| 00:28.09 | Flimzy | jcurry: Well then either a) 'kant' is unresolved, or port 443 is not accepting connections (or both). |
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| 00:28.15 | RedPenguin | k |
| 00:28.42 | Flimzy | jcurry: You can easily determine if 'kant' is resolvable, and thus eliminate one of the possibilities. |
| 00:29.04 | Flimzy | jcurry: Once that's done, it will be quite obvious if the other is the problem. |
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| 00:29.46 | jcurry | Flimzy, kant resolves with http:, and httpd.conf has a Listen: 443 in the <IfModule mod_ssl.c> section...so mod_ssl.c isn't loaded? |
| 00:30.10 | jcurry | shoudl i change that to mod_ssl.so, like in my modules.conf file? |
| 00:30.20 | cthulfuego | And even it it had worked, you probably don't have a file ':' on the server. |
| 00:30.30 | Flimzy | jcurry: That's where you start going beyond my area of knowledge. |
| 00:30.37 | Flimzy | jcurry: trying .so certianly wouldn't hurt. |
| 00:30.52 | Flimzy | jcurry: the worst that could happen is that it still doesn't work, right? |
| 00:30.53 | jcurry | cthulfuego, that was to specify the port...the same thing happens without it |
| 00:30.58 | n0mad` | why compiling kernel in debian-way is always without initrd and the kernel-image that are shipped with debian are always with initrd? |
| 00:31.00 | jcurry | Flimzy, right :) |
| 00:31.15 | dvs | n0mad`: You didn't use the --initrd switch |
| 00:31.35 | dondelelcaro | n0mad`: because the shipped kernels have to support way more hardware than your custom compiled one does. |
| 00:32.05 | dondelelcaro | n0mad`: it's like asking why suits come in so many sizes when a tailored suit just fits. |
| 00:32.24 | n0mad` | dondelelcaro, lol, amazing example ;) |
| 00:32.33 | n0mad` | i'm trying to compile my own kernel for my notebook... always without initrd but no one works... |
| 00:32.49 | n0mad` | always VFS: Kernel panic... |
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| 00:32.52 | dondelelcaro | n0mad`: then you haven't selected the proper options for your kernel. |
| 00:33.04 | dondelelcaro | n0mad`: if this poses a problem, you probably want to stick with the Debian kernel. |
| 00:33.27 | jcurry | Flimzy, grr, same error, except no line in the logfile... |
| 00:33.32 | n0mad` | dondelelcaro, i suppose was a file system problem |
| 00:33.50 | Flimzy | jcurry: I know there are good howtos/FAQs on apache+ssl on the web |
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| 00:33.56 | n0mad` | but i've got / and /home in ext3 and I compiled it into kernel not as module |
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| 00:34.04 | Flimzy | jcurry: I have set it up before... and without any hitches, so I know it's possible |
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| 00:34.11 | jcurry | Flimzy, i'll google some more, thanks |
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| 00:35.42 | NewpZ | hi i just install my new nvidia card.. whats the best demo i can get to test it out on? im getting 2200 fps with glxgears.. is that good? |
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| 00:37.16 | dondelelcaro | n0mad`: 1) You don't have the right drivers to see the device that / is on 2) ext3 isn't compiled in 3) you've compiled in udev or devfs and don't have the proper root= option specified |
| 00:37.29 | quittt | what is UNIX? |
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| 00:37.46 | dondelelcaro | !unix |
| 00:37.46 | dpkg | i heard unix is a broad definition for a very popular kind of OS or is what the Internet was built on, or sexy, or http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/otherunix.html, or http://www.unix-systems.org/, or a gift from the gods, or http://www.scarynetworkguy.net, or teh r0x0r! unix is teh r0x0r!!!1, or http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/login.html |
| 00:37.49 | dondelelcaro | quittt: see above |
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| 00:38.23 | n0mad` | dondelelcaro: tell me something else about point 3 please |
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| 00:38.34 | dondelelcaro | n0mad`: use the paster bot to paste your .config |
| 00:38.36 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 00:38.36 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 00:38.49 | glick | hello |
| 00:39.07 | sussudio | are you brian blessed? |
| 00:39.21 | glick | excuse me does anyone have a creative zen mp3 player? |
| 00:39.30 | sussudio | !irritate glick |
| 00:39.30 | dpkg | glick: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 00:39.39 | sussudio | !tell glick about ask |
| 00:39.50 | NewpZ | how do i see what a .deb installed? |
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| 00:40.07 | glick | can you use creative zens with debian or would an ipod be better |
| 00:40.15 | glick | zens have some extra features i like |
| 00:40.18 | Flimzy | NewpZ: dpkg -L <package name> |
| 00:40.24 | glick | but im not sure if it will work well with linux |
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| 00:40.33 | Flimzy | glick: consider a Neuros |
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| 00:41.00 | glick | whats a neuros? |
| 00:41.03 | Flimzy | glick: My bro and several friends own them... My understanding is that they acutally run Linux on them. |
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| 00:41.16 | Flimzy | glick: they're a portable MP3/OGG/Vorbis/etc player, like an iPod, but way cooler (in many ways) |
| 00:41.21 | Flimzy | glick: try #neuros |
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| 00:41.26 | S2K | hey does anyone know how to switch QT themes without having KDE installed? I'm trying skype... and it looks really ugly right now |
| 00:41.30 | sleon|tuX | hi |
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| 00:41.47 | sleon|tuX | i have a question to cron: there is cron.hourly, cron.daily, cron.monthly, but what is the cron.d for? |
| 00:41.58 | sussudio | S2K: you're not running debian |
| 00:42.14 | S2K | sussudio: it's on my other computer |
| 00:42.20 | sussudio | S2K: skype isn't in debian. |
| 00:42.26 | dvs | sleon|tuX: It where deb packages put their cron scripts |
| 00:42.33 | glick | the zens run linux eh? |
| 00:42.36 | nvz | S2K: yeah its off-topic here, but just installing kcontrol should do it |
| 00:42.37 | sleon|tuX | dvs are they processed or not? |
| 00:42.47 | sleon|tuX | dvs they are not executable |
| 00:42.56 | S2K | alright, thanks nvz |
| 00:43.03 | Flimzy | glick: I have no idea what a zens is. I was talking about the neuros |
| 00:43.05 | sleon|tuX | and look like crontab entries other then real scripts |
| 00:43.17 | sleon|tuX | */10 * * * * root test -f /proc/net/ip_tables_names && test -f /etc/ipac-ng/ipac.conf && test -f /usr/sbin/fetchipac && test -d /var/lib/ipac/ && /usr/bin/nice /usr/sbin/fetchipac |
| 00:43.19 | dvs | sleon|tuX: What's in them are executed |
| 00:43.22 | YouCeyE | any help on voice chat in debian? |
| 00:43.28 | YouCeyE | pref yahoo |
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| 00:43.33 | sleon|tuX | dvs this is contents of one of files |
| 00:43.45 | sleon|tuX | dvs does it mean they are automatically included into the cronttab? |
| 00:43.49 | paulswm | see you all, stay safe |
| 00:43.54 | dvs | sleon|tuX: Yes |
| 00:44.05 | sleon|tuX | dvs should i use cron and anacron? |
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| 00:44.14 | sleon|tuX | or do they exclude eachother? |
| 00:44.39 | dvs | sleon|tuX: I think they exclude each other. anacron are for those computers that don't run 24/7 |
| 00:44.51 | sleon|tuX | dvs a this is a server :) |
| 00:44.53 | Flimzy | sleon|tuX: they don't exclude each other, AFAIK, but they are redundant |
| 00:45.09 | sleon|tuX | Flimzy redundant?? |
| 00:45.14 | sleon|tuX | what replaces them? |
| 00:45.15 | Flimzy | sleon|tuX: if your PC is on all the time, use cron. If you turn it off frequently, or don't run Linux all the time, anacron is probably better. |
| 00:45.17 | dvs | sleon|tuX: Then run cron |
| 00:45.25 | sleon|tuX | thx guys |
| 00:45.27 | Flimzy | sleon|tuX: I don't know of anything that specifically _replaces_ them |
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| 00:47.37 | NewpZ | when i try to play a game i get this error: "Couldn't initialize SDL" how do i install that? |
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| 00:48.23 | sleon|tuX | re |
| 00:48.28 | ironflippy | is there a way to upgrade my kernel to 2.6 from 2.4 without doing a complete reinstall of debian? |
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| 00:48.35 | abrotman | NewpZ: apt-cache search dsl |
| 00:48.37 | abrotman | err sdl |
| 00:48.41 | Flimzy | ironflippy: Yes. Just install the new kernel. |
| 00:48.52 | simonrvn | abrotman: if only ;) |
| 00:49.06 | dafen | is nvidia-kernel-source available now? |
| 00:49.14 | dvs | ironflippy: And move any customizations from /etc/modutils to /etc/modprobe.d |
| 00:49.15 | ironflippy | using apt-get or the install disk? |
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| 00:49.50 | Flimzy | ironflippy: You can use apt-get. You can build your own kernel. You can do it however you wish. My prefered method is with make-kpkg. But that's a matter of taste. |
| 00:50.02 | green_earz | ironflippy: woody or sarge ? |
| 00:50.36 | ironflippy | sarge |
| 00:50.53 | abrotman | simonrvn: que? |
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| 00:50.58 | NewpZ | abrotman: i did search, just found libs and games and stuff... nothing jumping out at me |
| 00:51.04 | abrotman | NewpZ: libsdl |
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| 00:51.28 | paster | "n0mad`" at 81.208.36.84 pasted "my config" (2145 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/252 |
| 00:51.33 | simonrvn | abrotman: apt-get install dsl |
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| 00:51.39 | abrotman | simonrvn: ah .. yeah |
| 00:51.46 | green_earz | ironflippy: so grub your friend with your kernel upgrade. have a look at install the new kernel image with aptitde |
| 00:51.58 | abrotman | simonrvn: apt-get install t3 :) |
| 00:52.04 | simonrvn | ooooh :) |
| 00:52.04 | directhex | ironflippy, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 00:52.11 | simonrvn | *drool* |
| 00:52.12 | jcurry | Flimzy, i figured it out...it is .c, and i aparently need the VirtualHost section |
| 00:52.13 | green_earz | sorry aptitude |
| 00:52.23 | jcurry | Flimzy, thanks a bunch anyway! |
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| 00:53.16 | fas3r | hi all |
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| 00:55.16 | fas3r | anybody have a ati graphic card? I say because i ent to download the driver on ati.com but i just find an .rpm, do you know if they are a other driver? |
| 00:55.30 | Flimzy | fas3r: No. Nobody has an ATI graphics card. |
| 00:55.57 | Baby | I have an ATI Card |
| 00:56.11 | Baby | but I don't use ATI's proprietary drivers |
| 00:56.15 | Flimzy | oh, then I'm sorry |
| 00:56.20 | Flimzy | fas3r: The answer to your question is "Yes" |
| 00:56.22 | jcole | fas3r: module-assistant |
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| 00:56.28 | pirlouit | hello |
| 00:56.30 | directhex | nope. |
| 00:56.36 | directhex | google for 'flavio ati debian' |
| 00:56.48 | glick | what should i get an ipod or a zen? |
| 00:56.49 | pirlouit | anybody knows where the eggdrop.conf files are put when apt-getting eggdrop ? |
| 00:56.50 | FieldySnuts | browsing bash.org using random, and of all things I find this (clean) http://bash.org/?447571 |
| 00:56.54 | Flimzy | glick: No |
| 00:57.00 | fas3r | ok thank all |
| 00:57.03 | directhex | glick, why get either? they only support patented formats |
| 00:57.09 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 00:57.13 | Flimzy | glick: What should I get? Peperonni or Saussage? |
| 00:57.17 | n0mad` | dondelelcaro: i posted it |
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| 00:57.25 | fas3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.30 | glick | i dont give a crap is thy only support patented formats |
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| 00:57.45 | Nexus | I would like to setup a mail server using debian. I'd like it to be imap and support multiple domains. Anyone got software suggestions or pointers to a good howto? |
| 00:57.47 | KB1FYR | hi |
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| 00:57.53 | FieldySnuts | yeah. #debian isn't a good place to say that, i hope help ceases for you here on that. |
| 00:57.56 | directhex | fas3r, it seems a fairly simple thing to google for. go do it. |
| 00:58.07 | fas3r | ok thank |
| 00:58.07 | KB1FYR | I need to tell tasksel to use a different mirror, how do I do that? |
| 00:58.13 | Flimzy | glick: If you don't give a crap about something that important, then it sounds like you'd be just ast ignorantly happy with either piece of crap. So why bother asking which to get? |
| 00:58.24 | dvs | Nexus: I use uwimap and it works fine for me. |
| 00:58.30 | glick | Flimzy: get a life dude |
| 00:58.35 | Xenguy | bye |
| 00:58.40 | Nexus | dvs, Easy to setup? |
| 00:58.41 | Flimzy | glick: Hey, I'm not the one asking questions then yelling at anyone who offers advice. |
| 00:58.46 | dvs | Nexus: yup |
| 00:58.46 | FieldySnuts | glick: you obviously have no idea about the idea behind debian. yet you ask such a question here. go away. |
| 00:59.08 | Nexus | dvs, I know nothing about running a mail server so I"m trying to find a simple yet effective setup and tutorial. |
| 00:59.13 | Flimzy | Nexus: practically any mail server can do that. |
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| 00:59.28 | KB1FYR | I need to tell tasksel to use a different mirror, how do I do that? |
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| 00:59.38 | Flimzy | Nexus: If you know nothing about running a mail server, then jumping into virtual domains is a bit heavy |
| 00:59.46 | tull | hello |
| 00:59.50 | KB1FYR | hio |
| 00:59.51 | tull | any user using ati radeon? |
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| 00:59.56 | glick | Flimzy: then develop an mp3 player that uses open formats and is easy to use amoung different systems until you do or one exists shutup about it |
| 00:59.58 | KB1FYR | I am tull |
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| 01:00.08 | directhex | glick, several exist you tit |
| 01:00.10 | Flimzy | glick: I already told you about the Neuros, dork. |
| 01:00.11 | Nexus | Flimzy, Unfortunately, the people hosting my mail currently suck at it so heavy or not, I've got to dig in. Though starting with a single domain is a possibility. Know of a good howto? |
| 01:00.13 | glick | if your such a bitch about patents then stop using a computer all together |
| 01:00.14 | KB1FYR | I probably can't help though, I'm a debian n00b |
| 01:00.14 | tull | KB1FYR are u using fglrx? |
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| 01:00.20 | glick | because things in your computer are patented |
| 01:00.27 | KB1FYR | I don't know tull :-/ |
| 01:00.33 | Flimzy | glick: The Neuros uses open standards. |
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| 01:00.45 | tull | KB1FYR oh ok. |
| 01:00.45 | directhex | Flimzy, and firmware and circuit design |
| 01:00.50 | Flimzy | glick: And I think even has open-source firmware (or portions are opensource... not sure) |
| 01:00.53 | tull | is anyone using FGLRX? |
| 01:01.02 | directhex | tull, i hope not, it's shit |
| 01:01.05 | Flimzy | glick: And I told you about that an hour ago, but you just said "Neuros?" and then ignored me. |
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| 01:01.12 | Flimzy | glick: So, please, don't tell ME to shut up. |
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| 01:01.22 | tull | directhex what should i use then? i havent installed yet |
| 01:01.33 | directhex | i'm happy enough with the rio karma, it plays vorbis & flac, and can interface with any os with a jvm |
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| 01:01.50 | directhex | tull, if you insist on keeping the ati trach yet wanting 3d, google for ati flavio debian |
| 01:02.00 | KB1FYR | Can anyone help me change the mirror tasksel uses? |
| 01:02.00 | directhex | *trash |
| 01:02.03 | Orcrist | tull, I'm using fglrx |
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| 01:02.11 | nullvoid | anyone use farpd here? (farpd - act as answering any unanswered ARP packet) I can't get it working. I am returned error when I farpd -d -i eth0 |
| 01:02.19 | guevolt | shit of the carnaval... |
| 01:02.25 | Flimzy | KB1FYR: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:02.30 | tull | Orcrist did u have to compile the kernel? |
| 01:02.33 | Orcrist | against my better judgement, but I got a free ATI card that was a bit better than the nvidia I was using |
| 01:02.34 | KB1FYR | thanks Flimzy |
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| 01:02.54 | Orcrist | no, the fglrx package worked fine for me out of the box |
| 01:03.02 | directhex | Orcrist, exzcept fglrx is about 100% slower than the equivalent nvidia-glx |
| 01:03.09 | Orcrist | yes it is directhex |
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| 01:03.37 | Orcrist | to put it in perspective... I had a geforce2, and got a radeon 9200... and I still maybe getr 25% more performance out of what is superior hardware |
| 01:03.40 | Orcrist | the driver plain sucks |
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| 01:04.09 | tull | Orcrist where did u get the drivers? |
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| 01:04.14 | Orcrist | I won it in a contest that I put 3 months of work into... so I'll be damned if I let it waste :) |
| 01:04.18 | glick | the nuros is crappy |
| 01:04.23 | Orcrist | they were included in the repositories |
| 01:04.26 | glick | takes 8 hours to charge |
| 01:04.27 | Orcrist | I think they're in universe |
| 01:04.29 | directhex | tull, for fucks sake, HOW MANY FUCKING TIJMES DO I NEED TO SAY IT |
| 01:04.29 | Freedomzen | hi I was wondering is there a debian64 channel? |
| 01:04.30 | glick | battery life isnt that long |
| 01:04.38 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:04.38 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:04.46 | glick | who the heck needs an fm transmittr in an mp3 player |
| 01:04.47 | Flimzy | glick: You sound pretty sure for somebody who 30 seconds ago didn't know what a Neuros was. |
| 01:04.53 | glick | who listens to ogg? |
| 01:04.57 | directhex | i do. |
| 01:05.20 | TheTom | i do |
| 01:05.24 | Flimzy | glick: re: FM transmitter: Anyone who wants to listen on a stereo and doesn't have an car adaptor kit, or other cabling, available at the time |
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| 01:05.32 | Flimzy | glick: re: OGGs, anyone with half a brain, who realizes they're far better than MP3 |
| 01:05.33 | tull | directhex calm down |
| 01:05.41 | directhex | re: vorbis, it's consierably better audio quality than mp3 |
| 01:05.49 | Flimzy | glick: Re: battery life, etc, you can always get a better battery. They have many available ones. |
| 01:05.54 | Orcrist | I thought ogg was slightly worse in terms of lossiness? |
| 01:06.04 | directhex | tull, i tell you SEVERAL TIMES _EXACTLY_ what you want, but you can't even handle that? |
| 01:06.05 | Orcrist | never used it |
| 01:06.06 | Flimzy | Orcrist: at very low bitrates it may be. |
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| 01:06.14 | directhex | Orcrist, no, it has wider dynamic range &^ better compression |
| 01:06.18 | Orcrist | really? |
| 01:06.28 | directhex | Orcrist, yes. about on par with aac & wma9 |
| 01:06.31 | Flimzy | Orcrist: But generally speaking, it's superior to MP3 in almost every way |
| 01:06.33 | Orcrist | they shouldn't put 'ogg is worse than mp3' in the descriptions for the players then |
| 01:06.46 | Orcrist | i.e. totem/xmms/etc |
| 01:06.46 | Flimzy | Orcrist: Who puts that where? |
| 01:06.54 | Flimzy | Orcrist: URL? |
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| 01:07.02 | Orcrist | it was in one of the package descriptions when I was looking through synaptic one night |
| 01:07.02 | glick | well i dont have a million ogg files |
| 01:07.05 | glick | i have mp3 file |
| 01:07.07 | glick | files |
| 01:07.21 | Orcrist | it's what kept me from even checking ogg/vorbis out |
| 01:07.26 | Orcrist | however I think I will now |
| 01:07.28 | Flimzy | glick: That's fine. YOu can play MP3 on a Neuros, too. |
| 01:07.35 | Orcrist | esp now that that new itunes-ish ogg only service is out |
| 01:07.51 | Flimzy | glick: And whenever you download new music now, you'll download it in OGG, since you now realize it's better. |
| 01:07.59 | Flimzy | glick: and if you rip new CDs, you'll rip them to OGG, since you realize it's better |
| 01:08.13 | directhex | i have maybe 200 mp3's, of which about 25 were bought from bleep.com. the over ~2200 are vorbis |
| 01:08.15 | Orcrist | lol Flimzy |
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| 01:08.22 | abrotman | Xenguy: shit happens |
| 01:08.22 | curious | when did nessus plugins go non free? http://www.nessus.org/plugins/index.php?consultant=1&email=c&product= ? |
| 01:08.27 | Orcrist | does ogg use heavy DRM? |
| 01:08.33 | abrotman | and i haven't seen any ops use caps recently |
| 01:08.38 | Xenguy | abrotman: yes it does; still |
| 01:08.39 | Flimzy | Orcrist: OGG is an open standard. What do you think? |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | or any ops |
| 01:08.43 | Orcrist | wheee |
| 01:08.48 | Orcrist | now I'm definitely checking it out |
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| 01:09.08 | abrotman | Xenguy: would you like to tell tull 10 times whatever he needs to know? |
| 01:09.31 | abrotman | hmm .. taxes |
| 01:09.36 | Xenguy | abrotman: a better approach is to say it once, then /ignore the poor sucker ;-) |
| 01:09.42 | Orcrist | hahah |
| 01:09.52 | abrotman | Xenguy: right .. so he abuses the rest of the channel .. good thinking |
| 01:09.58 | Xenguy | abrotman: (not that I don't ever get hot under the collar mind you ;-) |
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| 01:10.17 | Orcrist | like soemone would get hot under the collar at a n00b in #debian.. pshaw |
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| 01:10.30 | Orcrist | whenever I want abuse, I alias and come in here with 'how do I run a shell script?' |
| 01:10.42 | Orcrist | then sit back and watch the RTFM and GO BACK TO WINDOWS fly |
| 01:10.45 | peterS | !annoy Orcrist |
| 01:10.46 | dpkg | Orcrist: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 01:10.47 | Xenguy | abrotman: it works for me, and I don't have to SHOUT AT THE WHOLE CHANNEL like that either |
| 01:10.49 | abrotman | Orcrist: why even bother to alias |
| 01:11.00 | Orcrist | hahahahha |
| 01:11.00 | abrotman | Xenguy: jeez .. lay off the caps you weenie |
| 01:11.02 | directhex | if people are complete morons at me after i take time out to give them free answers, i take it as a personal affront. it's a personality flaw i'm aware of. |
| 01:11.04 | Orcrist | I'm kidding |
| 01:11.10 | Xenguy | abrotman: yer a funny guy :P |
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| 01:11.19 | abrotman | Xenguy: you have no idea |
| 01:11.35 | Xenguy | abrotman: it's not that important - don't sweat it |
| 01:11.37 | Orcrist | although when I was an uber-noob, I got banned from this channel for asking a question just once, and not understanding the answer |
| 01:11.41 | Orcrist | <3 #debian |
| 01:11.42 | abrotman | Xenguy: oh .. i'm not ;) |
| 01:11.53 | Orcrist | NO SOUP FOR YOU! you are banned |
| 01:11.54 | NewpZ | hi how do i diable the framebuffer? |
| 01:11.57 | abrotman | Orcrist: i really doubt that's why you got banned |
| 01:12.02 | abrotman | !framebuffer |
| 01:12.03 | dpkg | i heard framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. |
| 01:12.13 | Flimzy | I've been banned from FreeBSD channels for asking a question once |
| 01:12.13 | Flimzy | but never from here |
| 01:12.40 | Orcrist | well I never did find out why I had been banned... but I asked a simple question, was told RTFM, and asked 'what man page should I look up for that' |
| 01:12.44 | Orcrist | and boonk I was banned |
| 01:12.51 | abrotman | right ... |
| 01:12.53 | xam | jeez, I've been banned from channels before *because* I didn't said anything |
| 01:13.02 | abrotman | i bet that's the PG short story :) |
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| 01:13.11 | Orcrist | hehe no that's exactly what happened |
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| 01:13.25 | Orcrist | I was like 'wtf' |
| 01:13.29 | Orcrist | it was kind of funny, in a way |
| 01:13.49 | Flimzy | What Orcrist isn't telling us is that immediately afterwards, he was abducted by aliens, then returned home after what seemed like a couple hours, to find his family had aged 10 years. |
| 01:13.53 | Flimzy | that's EXACTLY what happened |
| 01:13.57 | Orcrist | actually, 15 years |
| 01:14.01 | peterS | abrotman: when you said "PG" I thought "Project Gutenberg". I should get out more. |
| 01:14.14 | Orcrist | and it was sandanistas, not aliens |
| 01:14.15 | TheTom | one should use mpd |
| 01:14.15 | Xenguy | haha |
| 01:14.18 | abrotman | peterS: or watch more disney channel |
| 01:15.00 | kn0t | lol |
| 01:15.15 | reamtS | what is the man-page package for c++ libraries? |
| 01:15.19 | reamtS | help me |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | yeah .. like that |
| 01:15.32 | abrotman | reamtS: which libraries? |
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| 01:15.59 | reamtS | abrotman: read() |
| 01:16.03 | abrotman | man read |
| 01:16.09 | abrotman | man -k read .. might help too |
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| 01:16.19 | abrotman | oh wait .. that will return a lot |
| 01:16.25 | reamtS | but it doesn't have it =(, I don't know which packetage is it on =( |
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| 01:17.23 | Flimzy | reamtS: read() isn't a library, it's a function |
| 01:17.58 | NewpZ | when i reboot it loses my nvidia module and refuses to start up X.. how do i make it load the module @boot? |
| 01:18.20 | Flimzy | NewpZ: edit /etc/modules |
| 01:18.21 | xam | put it in /etc.modules |
| 01:18.24 | directhex | NewpZ, echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
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| 01:19.06 | Orcrist | reamtS, I believe the package you want is libstdc++ |
| 01:19.10 | NewpZ | sweeeeet |
| 01:19.15 | NewpZ | yup wasnt there thanks!@ |
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| 01:19.55 | directhex | NewpZ, it's only neccessary if you use udev. i believe there's a new workaround based on hotplug |
| 01:19.58 | NewpZ | last question is... when i alt-f2 and switch to console, if i go back to X it will not come up and freezes my machine.. i think its the framebuffer.. how can i turn it off? |
| 01:20.12 | jcurry | Flimzy, I'm having a bit more trouble with apache...do you know anything about cgi scripts? |
| 01:20.23 | NewpZ | directhex, no worries loading that way works great for me :) |
| 01:20.25 | Roadrunne | hi @ll, whats the easiest way to figure out how long a shell command take? (in ms) |
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| 01:20.32 | abrotman | Roadrunne: you didn't just do that |
| 01:20.34 | Flimzy | jcurry: a bit. But I have to run for a bit (need to pay my rent before the bank closes). Maybe I can help in ~30 mins |
| 01:20.49 | jcurry | Flimzy, that would be awesome, thanks |
| 01:20.58 | Orcrist | bank is still open where you are? |
| 01:21.09 | Trev_ | time |
| 01:21.11 | Flimzy | Orcrist: 'till 8pm |
| 01:21.16 | Orcrist | heh |
| 01:21.17 | Roadrunne | abrotman: ? |
| 01:21.19 | jcurry | awesome bank |
| 01:21.25 | jcurry | most close at like 2 |
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| 01:21.37 | abrotman | Roadrunne: you didn't just ask a MS question in here while using @ll .. you're joking right? |
| 01:21.40 | Flimzy | Orcrist: just the one at the supermarket. |
| 01:21.46 | Flimzy | Orcrist: Their regular branches are closed. |
| 01:21.53 | Flimzy | Orcrist: at 5 or 6pm, IIRC |
| 01:22.02 | reamtS | Orcrist: found it, it's manpages-dev... anyway, thx for the help. |
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| 01:22.16 | Roadrunne | abrotman: ms=milliseconds... not microsoft :-) |
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| 01:22.22 | rob___ | haha |
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| 01:22.30 | abrotman | Roadrunne: but you still used @ll |
| 01:22.45 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: time <command> |
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| 01:22.56 | abrotman | or #bash ? |
| 01:23.07 | Roadrunne | abrotman: what's wrong with "@ll"="all"? |
| 01:23.18 | abrotman | !aolify Roadrunne |
| 01:23.31 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: what's wrong with it is a) it's incorrect, b) it's annoying, c) it makes you look l4m3 :P |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | and dumb |
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| 01:23.50 | relex | uh. what does the following mean when given for a hard drive: mount: block device /dev/hda2 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 01:23.56 | xitrium | lol |
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| 01:24.15 | Flimzy | relex: It means the block device /dev/hda2 is write-protected and being mounted read-only |
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| 01:24.37 | abrotman | !flimzy++ |
| 01:24.39 | Flimzy | (it took me years to learn to read error messages like that) |
| 01:24.45 | Orcrist | have a box here that I've done a base-install on... what's the apt-get package name to install all of x? |
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| 01:24.55 | Flimzy | abrotman: ? |
| 01:24.55 | ali7288 | hey, i installed nvidia drivers and they are fine but everytime i reboot i have to reinstall them because the xserver wont' startup can anyone help? |
| 01:24.59 | peterS | Orcrist: x-window-system |
| 01:24.59 | abrotman | !tell Orcrist about set up x |
| 01:25.00 | relex | Flimzy, hard drives can't be write protected |
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| 01:25.02 | relex | or can they? |
| 01:25.04 | abrotman | Flimzy: it's karma |
| 01:25.07 | directhex | ali7288, echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
| 01:25.08 | Flimzy | relex: some can |
| 01:25.15 | ali7288 | umm |
| 01:25.17 | ali7288 | i put that in there |
| 01:25.18 | Orcrist | hey I didn't know dpkg would IM you |
| 01:25.22 | ali7288 | but it still wouldn't work |
| 01:25.23 | Orcrist | nice |
| 01:25.35 | directhex | ali7288, you're using nvidia-installer aren't you -_- |
| 01:25.39 | ali7288 | that actually shows the nvidia splash screen |
| 01:25.40 | ali7288 | yes i am |
| 01:25.43 | ali7288 | bad? |
| 01:25.45 | Flimzy | relex: I believe you can "set" them write-protected (whether the OS cares or not is another question). But some can be physically write protected (depending on hardware interface, etc) |
| 01:25.48 | directhex | !nvidia-installer |
| 01:25.48 | dpkg | nvidia-installer is probably a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-howto>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 01:26.01 | relex | ok, then i think i need to backup. |
| 01:26.05 | abrotman | relex: or the drive has a serious error |
| 01:26.12 | Roadrunne | abrotman, Flimzy: sorry, don't know it. i'm german, but i try to remember it for the next time :-) |
| 01:26.12 | ali7288 | AH |
| 01:26.15 | NewpZ | great |
| 01:26.20 | relex | what's the easiest way to copy files while preserving ownership and permissions |
| 01:26.23 | NewpZ | i used the installer hehe |
| 01:26.25 | ali7288 | i tried installing using apt |
| 01:26.30 | Flimzy | abrotman: is higher good or bad then? hehe |
| 01:26.31 | ali7288 | that didn't work too well |
| 01:26.38 | relex | abrotman, Feb 7 20:00:50 localhost kernel: journal_bmap_R7feec01a: journal block not found at offset 1036 on ide0(3,2) |
| 01:26.41 | relex | i believe it does:( |
| 01:26.47 | relex | <relex> what's the easiest way to copy files while preserving ownership and permissions ?? |
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| 01:27.00 | JSA_ | hola |
| 01:27.12 | directhex | cp -a |
| 01:27.14 | Xemacs_ | !tell relex about repeat |
| 01:27.35 | NewpZ | directhex, do you of any solution to switching to console then back to x and black screen with a freeze that only a power off can fix? |
| 01:27.49 | directhex | NewpZ, worksforme |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | Flimzy: good |
| 01:27.58 | NewpZ | hehe |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | !karma flimzy |
| 01:27.59 | dpkg | flimzy has karma of 1 |
| 01:28.10 | NewpZ | im sol? that rocks! |
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| 01:29.13 | jcurry | !karma jcurry |
| 01:29.13 | dpkg | jcurry has neutral karma |
| 01:29.19 | jcurry | :( |
| 01:29.33 | Lord-Cereburus | hmm |
| 01:29.35 | jcurry | i assume i cant increase my own karma? |
| 01:29.39 | Lord-Cereburus | !karma Lord-Cereburus |
| 01:29.39 | dpkg | lord-cereburus has neutral karma |
| 01:29.41 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 01:29.41 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 01:29.43 | abrotman | jcurry: you cannot |
| 01:30.10 | Lord-Cereburus | tis a bot heh |
| 01:30.10 | peterS | jcurry: not without getting *really* lame and changing your nick |
| 01:30.25 | jcurry | that would be lame |
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| 01:30.40 | guest_ | ifconfig seems to indicate ipv6 is on (second line in all entries starts with 'inet6') ... how do work only with ipv4? |
| 01:30.47 | peterS | jcurry: or bribing dondelelcaro to just change it on the mysql server |
| 01:31.06 | abrotman | peterS: mine cost $20 |
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| 01:31.15 | peterS | !abrotman++ |
| 01:31.18 | jcurry | peterS, or figureing out how to haxx0r the mysql server :) |
| 01:31.20 | peterS | that one was free |
| 01:31.27 | jcurry | !karma abrotman |
| 01:31.28 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 2 |
| 01:31.28 | relex | hm. cp -a isn't preserving ownership |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | peterS: sadly .. check my total |
| 01:31.36 | jcurry | lol |
| 01:31.48 | jcurry | relex, man cp can explan everyting |
| 01:31.55 | jcurry | explain* |
| 01:31.56 | abrotman | or tar |
| 01:31.56 | relex | i manned cp |
| 01:32.02 | peterS | relex: it certainly should. are you root? does the destination filesystem have owner information? (unlike say FAT) |
| 01:32.15 | Lord-Cereburus | wow, abrotman, i keep getting you mixed up with alindeman rofl |
| 01:32.21 | xam | relex: of course it does. Well, if the filesystem supports ownership, and if you are running it as root |
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| 01:32.32 | relex | petemc, i am root and the destination FS is reiser |
| 01:32.32 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: i'm not .. he's like uber-op |
| 01:32.33 | jcurry | relex, try -p? |
| 01:32.39 | peterS | jcurry: -a includes -p |
| 01:32.48 | abrotman | supports ownership? |
| 01:32.50 | relex | it's from ext3->reiser |
| 01:32.51 | jcurry | right, right |
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| 01:32.55 | relex | yeah |
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| 01:33.24 | relex | actually, they're both ext3 |
| 01:33.39 | abrotman | hmm .. taxes |
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| 01:34.03 | xam | peterS: I was typing the whole stuff, and at the end I thought: "damn it has already been posted. What the hell, would be a waste if I would just erase that line" |
| 01:34.15 | peterS | xam: I know how that goes |
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| 01:36.13 | Lord-Cereburus | shit taxes... i should probibly get my stubs into the accountant |
| 01:36.42 | jcurry | god, i sound like a marketdroid |
| 01:36.52 | jcurry | abrotman, i used them last year, worked fine |
| 01:37.04 | jcurry | abrotman, scratch free, there was like a 9.95 fee |
| 01:37.15 | jcurry | abrotman, i assume you are in the us? |
| 01:37.19 | abrotman | why is it free? |
| 01:37.33 | jcurry | abrotman, see above |
| 01:38.01 | abrotman | well .. apparently turbotax doesn't want my money .. opera/mozilla/firefox .. none of them work |
| 01:38.27 | peterS | abrotman: no thanks. remote control tax returns don't strike me as a particularly efficient use of anyone's time |
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| 01:38.48 | jcurry | lol: |
| 01:38.52 | jcurry | *dpkg* are you smoking crack?, jcurry |
| 01:38.52 | jcurry | *jcurry* yes |
| 01:38.53 | jcurry | *dpkg* really??? wohoo! |
| 01:38.53 | abrotman | peterS: heh |
| 01:38.53 | jcurry | *jcurry* want some? |
| 01:38.53 | jcurry | *dpkg* give it to me, jcurry! |
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| 01:39.16 | jcurry | abrotman, taxact worked with firefox and opera, i think |
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| 01:40.12 | abrotman | jcurry: seems to so far |
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| 01:41.19 | xam | !fgh |
| 01:41.35 | dondelelcaro | joy... yet another useless factoid |
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| 01:41.48 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 01:41.48 | dpkg | i heard useless factoids is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 01:41.54 | jcurry | lol |
| 01:42.03 | sussudio | good |
| 01:42.27 | lonewolff | i wonder if anyone can help me, one of my debiam machines appears to take ages to do dns lookups |
| 01:42.29 | sussudio | bring your knopper to the slaughter |
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| 01:42.43 | abrotman | !d-i stu8 |
| 01:42.44 | dpkg | stu8, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:42.54 | jcurry | ooh, fast one, abrotman |
| 01:42.57 | sussudio | !factstats author |
| 01:42.57 | directhex | whee, people are using my factoids |
| 01:42.58 | jcurry | you beat me :) |
| 01:43.01 | dpkg | factoid statistics by author: (15 shown; 85 total): 819 by greycat ;; 523 by xk ;; 387 by sussudio ;; 273 by hoxu ;; 257 by dondelelcaro ;; 222 by localhost ;; 195 by cafuego ;; 189 by guerin ;; 186 by bob2 ;; 181 by ricky_clarkson ;; 162 by mentor ;; 117 by asuffield ;; 113 by karsten ;; 111 by g4lt ;; 109 by solitude. |
| 01:43.01 | stu8 | dpkg lol thanks |
| 01:43.01 | dpkg | stu8: no idea |
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| 01:43.13 | sussudio | dieeeee knoppixerzzzors |
| 01:43.33 | sussudio | ~seen hoxu |
| 01:43.35 | apt | hoxu <hoxu@dsl-jklgw3i1c.dial.inet.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 687d 15h 24m 40s ago, saying: 'ok, thanks'. |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:43.47 | abrotman | wait .. #bzflag? |
| 01:43.51 | abrotman | !seen hoxu |
| 01:43.52 | dpkg | abrotman: i haven't seen 'hoxu' |
| 01:43.53 | stu8 | dondelelcaro reminds me of at least one of the teenage mutant ninja turtles |
| 01:43.57 | jcurry | !who hoxu |
| 01:43.57 | dpkg | The diaphorase subunit of the bidirectional hydrogenase in electron transferring protein in cyanobacterial respiration, or represents the flavin-containing diaphorase moiety |
| 01:44.03 | sussudio | !listauth hoxu |
| 01:44.03 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'hoxu' (15 shown; 273 total): noyb ;; lu ;; +b ;; mn ;; ccl ;; mk ;; ubnc ;; cm ;; hurray ;; ala ;; fj ;; ficora ;; hu ;; cmd: annoy (.*?) #DEL# ;; send me pr0n. |
| 01:44.04 | jcurry | wtf? |
| 01:44.05 | debian | dondelelcaro: may I ask how to continue reading when dpkg said there's more to read? |
| 01:44.19 | sussudio | ... |
| 01:44.20 | dondelelcaro | debian: you can't, basically. |
| 01:44.21 | debian | dondelelcaro: like the one just shown (15 shown 273 total)? |
| 01:44.25 | jcurry | anyone understand dpkg? |
| 01:44.27 | debian | dondelelcaro: oops...thanks. |
| 01:45.00 | abrotman | !dict hoxu |
| 01:45.02 | dpkg | could not find definition for hoxu |
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| 01:45.36 | jcurry | !dict hydrogenase |
| 01:45.37 | dpkg | could not find definition for hydrogenase |
| 01:46.29 | n0mad` | dondelelcaro: have u checked my .config? Am I wrong? |
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| 01:46.39 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:46.39 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:47.27 | n0mad` | ok, sorry dondelelcaro, have you checked my .config? Am I wrong? |
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| 01:47.34 | stu8 | I thought wud WAS a word :) |
| 01:47.34 | n0mad` | Is it correct abrotman? |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | hell if i know |
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| 01:47.44 | xam | jcurry: [hydrogenase]: An enzyme in certain microorganisms that catalyzes the hydrolysis or reduction of a substrate by molecular hydrogen. |
| 01:47.59 | abrotman | what farkin .config? |
| 01:48.22 | n0mad` | dondelelcaro told me to paste .config with pastebot to check it |
| 01:48.45 | n0mad` | because i'm trying to build my own kernel for my laptop |
| 01:48.49 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:48.50 | dondelelcaro | n0mad`: CONFIG_IDE=m and |
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| 01:49.05 | dondelelcaro | n0mad`: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=m are just the beginning of your problems. |
| 01:49.11 | dvs | That'll do it |
| 01:49.22 | abrotman | !initrd |
| 01:49.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 01:49.49 | bucky | is embedding python in html a good idea like myghty (python version of HTML:Mason) |
| 01:49.53 | dondelelcaro | n0mad`: you need those built in (y), or you need them in an initrd. If this doesn't make sense, you should just use a Debian kernel. |
| 01:50.16 | dondelelcaro | bucky: generally not. You want to separate the programming logic from the presentation logic |
| 01:50.38 | n0mad` | dondelelcaro, i'll fix it and try again ;) thanks for your support |
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| 01:51.30 | dvs | n0mad`: What does CONFIG_EXT2_FS say? |
| 01:51.39 | bucky | dondelelcaro, any experience or opinion with nevow and the twisted framework? |
| 01:51.56 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah, sometimes it totally isn't worth the trouble of separating them |
| 01:52.05 | n0mad` | dvs: y |
| 01:52.19 | dvs | n0mad`: Good, and CONFIG_EXT3_FS? |
| 01:52.20 | dondelelcaro | bucky: nope. I use Text::Template myself |
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| 01:52.31 | Nexus | !exim |
| 01:52.31 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 01:52.32 | debian-san | When I apply grsecurity kernel patch, I get this : 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file fs/proc/proc_tty.c.rej. Does it sound familiar to someone? |
| 01:52.37 | dondelelcaro | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=m <- this is also not good |
| 01:52.47 | n0mad` | dvs: y |
| 01:52.47 | Nexus | !exim4 |
| 01:52.48 | dpkg | hmm... exim4 is an easy to configure and also powerfull MTA licensed under the GPL, a great sendmail replacement. apt-get able debs for woody are available at http://www.logic.univie.ac.at/~ametzler/debian/exim4manpages/, or set to have ident checking on by default, which will slow down connect times drastically. See /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options for the fix |
| 01:52.56 | dvs | n0mad`: You're set there |
| 01:53.04 | abrotman | jcurry: how about taxnet.com ? |
| 01:53.07 | dondelelcaro | debian-san: that means that you need to figure out what got rejected, and fix it. |
| 01:53.14 | jcurry | abrotman, never heard of them |
| 01:53.18 | DigDug | debian-san: Sounds like the patch wasn't for that partifcular kernel or you had applied some othe rpatch that interferred |
| 01:53.54 | n0mad` | dondelelcaro: fixed 3 points that you hilighted me |
| 01:54.05 | n0mad` | dondelelcaro: do you notice something else? |
| 01:54.11 | debian-san | I chose kernel-source-2.4.18 and I applied kernel-patch-2.4-grsecurity. |
| 01:54.13 | Nexus | I'm trying to setup an exim mail server but am lost as can be. I'm confused by the various config files that debian sets up. Would someone be willing to help step me few the beginning? |
| 01:54.35 | dondelelcaro | # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set probably isn't right either... there may be more. |
| 01:54.55 | n0mad` | dvs: if i've got the whole system in EXT3 may I built-in kernel also EXT2 support? |
| 01:54.57 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: first off, do you actually need an mail server? |
| 01:55.14 | dvs | n0mad`: Yes, they are practically the same thing |
| 01:55.26 | Nexus | dondelelcaro, Yes. My current mail provider sucks, and I host mail for several domains. I've always sworn I wouldn't touch email, but the time has come... |
| 01:55.39 | n0mad` | dvs: ok... i understand... |
| 01:56.01 | n0mad` | dondelelcaro: # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set ==> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE=y ? |
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| 01:56.16 | dondelelcaro | n0mad`: most likely, yes. |
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| 01:56.37 | fas3r | anybody had an ati mobily 9000 IGP ? |
| 01:56.48 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: well, if you have specific questions someone here (or in #exim) can answer them |
| 01:57.28 | n0mad` | dondelelcaro, ok, i'll try to rebuild it then... i fixed what you pointed me |
| 01:57.35 | Stuttergart | anyone here running plone on unstable? |
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| 01:57.49 | xam | fas3r: I have one here |
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| 01:58.51 | fas3r | what method did u use for install your card? |
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| 02:00.36 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:00.36 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:00.40 | xam | fas3r: I didn't install it. It is integrated graphics of my laptop (dell latitude c610). If you mean 'install the driver' I use standart "ati" driver that comes with XFree |
| 02:00.56 | Nexus | Also, when installing debian, it never asked to configure my network settings. How do I manually ask it to configure? |
| 02:00.58 | Rawplayer | i need you you you |
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| 02:01.00 | Rawplayer | i need you you you |
| 02:01.06 | Rawplayer | :D |
| 02:01.14 | fas3r | xam ok thank |
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| 02:01.56 | xam | Nexus: base-config? |
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| 02:02.24 | xam | Nexus: anyway, 'man interfaces' and edit /etc/network/interfaces accordingly |
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| 02:03.53 | fas3r | do you think in the kernel 2.6.10 the ati card was support? |
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| 02:04.32 | xam | fas3r: the graphics card driver support has nothing to do with the kernel version. |
| 02:05.02 | xam | fas3r: but for your information, the graphics card is/was working fine with 2.6.10 and XFree86 |
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| 02:05.32 | jeanmi_ | while doing a tar -xvf /dev/tape some/dir/to/recover how can I see where the search is at ? (like a progression bar or sth like that) ? |
| 02:05.49 | caphuso | what search? |
| 02:05.52 | xam | jeanmi_ progress bar? |
| 02:05.59 | xam | tape??? |
| 02:06.11 | fas3r | ok thank |
| 02:06.40 | jeanmi_ | yes a tape |
| 02:06.52 | jcurry | an old backup system? |
| 02:06.53 | jeanmi_ | I am trying to recovery a folder from a tape using tar |
| 02:07.09 | jond3rd | afaik, there's no progress bar with tar |
| 02:07.18 | jeanmi_ | but it takes ages and I wonder where tar is at |
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| 02:07.46 | jeanmi_ | like for exampekl if I did tar -xvf foo.tar to extract all of foo.tar I would see all the files showing up |
| 02:08.07 | jeanmi_ | but if I specify one direcotry to extract then only the concerned fles will be shown |
| 02:08.11 | hypnox | look through the little window and see how much tape is left :) |
| 02:08.16 | jond3rd | -xvf option should show all the file being extracted |
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| 02:08.23 | RedEyess | Hello |
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| 02:08.30 | jeanmi_ | hythe tape is remote |
| 02:08.34 | xam | jeanmi_ I thought those tape devices became extinct, along with the dinosaurs |
| 02:08.36 | RedEyess | Anyone here have problems with printing with Firefox only? |
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| 02:08.58 | jcurry | xam, i think they still use them in large corporations |
| 02:09.14 | RedEyess | xprint? |
| 02:09.19 | jcurry | xam, easy storage/portability, high density, and high lifetime |
| 02:09.23 | caphuso | xam: you know of better ways to do 500GiB backups? |
| 02:09.28 | RedEyess | I used printconf to configure my hp printer |
| 02:09.33 | jond3rd | aside fromtape, what's the best backup media then ? |
| 02:09.39 | RedEyess | it works fine for most apps except for firefox |
| 02:09.45 | caphuso | RedEyess: xprint |
| 02:09.45 | RedEyess | what should I do? |
| 02:09.49 | caphuso | fix xprint |
| 02:09.56 | directhex | we have a nice 1.5 petabyte tape array at work |
| 02:10.00 | xam | easier? hard drives |
| 02:10.02 | chealer | RedEyess: what kind of problems? |
| 02:10.08 | caphuso | xam: unreliable like hell |
| 02:10.31 | jeanmi_ | so if u dont use tapes why do u then use for backups ? |
| 02:10.37 | jond3rd | hmm, I don't think large company would prefer backup on har drives |
| 02:10.44 | mentor | Hard drives are more expensive too? |
| 02:10.45 | RedEyess | let me try the xprint thing... |
| 02:10.47 | RedEyess | one seond |
| 02:10.48 | RedEyess | second |
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| 02:10.54 | xam | caphuso: don't start about tape drives and reliability ... I had some horrible experiences with them |
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| 02:11.55 | RedEyess | maybe I should have that xprint thing installed before trying to fix it? |
| 02:12.03 | brad | has anyone in here succesfully gotten a synaptics touchpad for a laptop working in debian? |
| 02:12.29 | caphuso | brad: i've got one working for a non-laptop, if that's any help |
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| 02:13.02 | brad | i doubt it uses the same drivers |
| 02:13.09 | caphuso | brad: i don't |
| 02:13.13 | brad | i ran through their readme and of course the shit never works like its supposed too |
| 02:13.52 | xam | brad: synaptics only worked here when no other mouse devices where attached |
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| 02:14.17 | caphuso | and why should the same device use different drivers because the plastic wrapping around it looks different? |
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| 02:14.50 | brad | so u've gotten it to work before... |
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| 02:14.55 | brad | true xam true |
| 02:14.59 | sanmarcos | how can I see all the files of a package? |
| 02:15.00 | caphuso | brad: it's hardly something complicated |
| 02:15.02 | brad | what di du have to do? |
| 02:15.03 | caphuso | sanmarcos: dpkg -L foo |
| 02:15.07 | brad | it is for a linux newb |
| 02:15.07 | stew | brad: worked fine for me too |
| 02:15.09 | sanmarcos | caphuso: thanks |
| 02:15.33 | brad | damn..... |
| 02:15.34 | caphuso | if you don't need all the bells and whistles, you can simply use it with the regular mouse driver |
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| 02:15.40 | brad | well its working now |
| 02:15.43 | caphuso | ... |
| 02:16.00 | xam | !confuse me |
| 02:16.01 | dpkg | No, those was your bacon yesterday, xam? trousers of the monarchy of swaziland with extra ham |
| 02:16.01 | brad | im helping a friend...on his laptop now....wants to be able to tap the touchpad and have it click like in windows |
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| 02:18.48 | brad | okay whenever i run the make file for hte synaptics driver i get a error that just says synaptics.o Error 1 |
| 02:18.58 | brad | if i could just compile that file correctly i can get the rest to work |
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| 02:19.06 | brad | could someone gimme some help if i paste shit in |
| 02:19.08 | brad | #flood |
| 02:19.43 | sleon|serious | brad: paste it here -> http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 02:19.54 | fas3r | it's possible i install a driver for woody on a sarge? |
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| 02:22.00 | directhex | fas3r, what on EARTH are you trying to do? |
| 02:22.29 | fas3r | lol why? |
| 02:22.47 | directhex | <fas3r> it's possible i install a driver for woody on a sarge? |
| 02:22.54 | brad | sleon http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/H9vWtp95.html |
| 02:23.00 | brad | there is what i get for my output |
| 02:23.38 | xam | brad: you don't have the XFree86-devel packages installed |
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| 02:24.10 | sussudio | !confuse xam |
| 02:24.10 | brad | well i dont know how to point to the correct folde3r in the makefile for TOP |
| 02:24.11 | dpkg | Yes, those are our gouda tomorrow, xam? breeches of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 02:24.27 | xam | brad: why the hell do you want to compile it anyway? there are precompiled binary packages ... |
| 02:24.40 | brad | i dont know where to get them |
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| 02:25.16 | caphuso | xam: better the desk than the touchpad |
| 02:25.21 | brad | hahah |
| 02:25.46 | caphuso | brad: apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 02:25.52 | xam | caphuso: better for whom/what? |
| 02:26.27 | caphuso | xam: better for you because that you you don't accidentally paste the URL of the pr0n site you were looking at into #debian :-P |
| 02:26.38 | caphuso | s/you you/way you/ |
| 02:27.02 | xam | caphuso: well, that you have been better for you actually |
| 02:27.12 | xam | s/you// |
| 02:27.21 | xam | awrgll, you=would |
| 02:28.43 | brad | okay i was able to succesfully have that package install caphuso...now do i have to go change my x config? |
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| 02:28.53 | caphuso | brad: /usr/share/doc/xfree86-driver-synaptics/* |
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| 02:29.35 | brad | k |
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| 02:30.13 | brad | now what? |
| 02:30.15 | brad | hah |
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| 02:37.16 | [eTc] | exit |
| 02:37.47 | Dark_Kyo | wich type of partition you make for an debian server with 20 GB HD? +/- |
| 02:38.04 | robink | How do I turn my collection of cached debian packages into a a package source? |
| 02:38.21 | MitchK | robink: google.com knows |
| 02:38.26 | robink | aha |
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| 02:40.03 | sanxiyn | robink: "Debian Repository HOWTO" |
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| 02:41.14 | vladster | cansomeone find tell me why my Joystick is not loading properly in debian? |
| 02:41.22 | MitchK | nope |
| 02:41.30 | vladster | tellme* |
| 02:41.34 | gravity | vladster: You probably don't have the right module loaded |
| 02:41.35 | MitchK | nope |
| 02:41.38 | vladster | damn typos |
| 02:41.49 | robink | sanso: Thanks |
| 02:41.50 | robink | oops |
| 02:41.53 | robink | sanxiyn: Thanks |
| 02:42.15 | vladster | I tried loading the adi protocol but it is not loading |
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| 02:43.03 | vladster | could I be missing a core file>? |
| 02:43.35 | MitchK | possibly |
| 02:43.37 | gravity | vladster: What error does it give you when you try to load it? (Mind you, I know nothing about joysticks in linux, but I'll do my best to help) |
| 02:43.42 | MitchK | but who knows we arent on your box to see |
| 02:44.50 | vladster | nothing but when I do an lsmod, it is not showing it loaded |
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| 02:45.23 | toraton | vladster: Have you enabled Joystick support under Input Devices in the kernel? |
| 02:45.30 | xonic | does anyone here use ndiswrapper for thier wlan card/ |
| 02:45.33 | Nexus | I uninstalled libapache2-mod-perl and then reinstalled it but now I'm getting errors that PerlHandler is an invalid command in apache. |
| 02:45.38 | toraton | vladster: And did you enable module or built in? |
| 02:45.39 | Nexus | What do I do to fix that? |
| 02:45.50 | Nexus | And does anyone have Apache::mp3 running under debian/ |
| 02:46.22 | vladster | gameport 4704 2 adi,emu10k1_gp |
| 02:46.28 | xonic | i'm trying to get ndiswrapper to compile, but it won't (my /lib/modules/2.6.10/build is a symlink to /usr/src/linux-2.6.10) yet the Makefile says it can't find the kernel source |
| 02:46.37 | vladster | this is the line from ls mod |
| 02:46.49 | vladster | is there a way to test the stick |
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| 02:47.43 | vladster | It does not show the wingman interceptor in the dmesg |
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| 02:47.53 | DigDug | vladster: try jscalibrator |
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| 02:48.21 | rellik | is there some simple ":set ..." for vim that will turn on the colors for when I'm programming (perl/C/C++) ? |
| 02:48.28 | vladster | command not found |
| 02:48.39 | gravity | rellik: set syntax |
| 02:48.44 | DigDug | vladster: i mean install it |
| 02:48.49 | DigDug | apt-get install |
| 02:48.55 | gravity | rellik: You can put that line in your ~/.vimrc |
| 02:49.08 | gravity | rellik: Or syntax on |
| 02:49.19 | gravity | rellik: Not set syntax. Sorry |
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| 02:49.25 | rellik | gravity, oooohhh I was trying stuff like ":set syntax=perl" :) |
| 02:49.40 | gravity | rellik: :-) |
| 02:49.59 | gravity | rellik: A good resource for things like that is www.dotfiles.org. Lots of great example dotfiles for vim, shells, etc |
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| 02:50.08 | relex | is there a way to force an unmount |
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| 02:50.36 | gravity | rellik: You can do umount -l, which doesn't really force it |
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| 02:50.50 | rellik | gravity, cool thanks (used ":set syntax on" in a perl file and nothing changed so I guess there is no syntax highlighting for perl |
| 02:51.04 | rellik | gravity, mistype? |
| 02:51.11 | gravity | relex: Sorry, that was for you. umount -l. It doesn't force it though |
| 02:51.16 | vladster | it says the stick is not installed but from the ubuntu and the win2k boots, it does see it |
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| 02:51.24 | quittt | nigger is dead =[ |
| 02:51.27 | gravity | relex: It unmounts everything it can and waits until it can finish the job |
| 02:51.30 | gravity | rellik: Yeah :-) |
| 02:51.44 | gravity | rellik: There is syntax highlite for perl, I use it myself |
| 02:51.52 | gravity | It's just not on by default |
| 02:51.59 | relex | thanks |
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| 02:52.13 | vladster | says joystick initialization failed |
| 02:52.38 | jsn | xplanet seems to have a bug. Does not use transparent background.... > xplanet -body earth -transpng earthnight.png -geometry "150x150-0+0" -origin -sun -verbosity 2 |
| 02:53.07 | neurotope | tring to get my first install of linux running, having trouble getting gnome to load up, anyone have the time and temperment to help me out on this? |
| 02:53.22 | gravity | neurotope: What's the specific issue? |
| 02:53.34 | gravity | jsn: Did you check the BTS for it? |
| 02:53.39 | jsn | gravity: yup |
| 02:53.58 | Casty | I'm creating a samba server out of a debian box. It seems that instead of using the smbpasswd flat file, it uses a passdb.tdb file. I need to be able to copy users from another machine's smbpasswd file. Any suggestions? |
| 02:54.04 | gravity | jsn: File a new bug for it :-) |
| 02:54.06 | jsn | It uses the transparent background with "-origin sun" just not "-origin -sun" (opposite of sun) |
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| 02:54.16 | neurotope | gravity: using startx the screen goes blank for a min then returns a fatal server error: no screens found |
| 02:54.30 | jsn | gravity: Lemme try. Never filed one against debian before. |
| 02:54.36 | brad | okay....i was able to get x to start back up again with the information that binary told me to put in my XF86 config file |
| 02:54.45 | gravity | neurotope: Ok, your X is configured wrong. Look in /var/log/XFree86.log and see if you can find the specific error. |
| 02:54.46 | brad | but i still can't tap the touchpad to click on icons |
| 02:55.01 | gravity | jsn: Use reportbug. It makes it really easy. Also check the docs on bugs.debian.org. |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | ok .. efile sucks |
| 02:55.27 | jsn | gravity: What package has reportbug? |
| 02:55.36 | peterS | jsn: it's actually called reportbug |
| 02:55.39 | gravity | neurotope: No, just talk in the channel. Other people can help then too. |
| 02:56.03 | neurotope | gravity: ok, do i need to be loged in as root? |
| 02:56.07 | brad | caphuso: u still there? |
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| 02:56.14 | caphuso | brad: yes |
| 02:56.15 | gravity | neurotope: I believe you might. Just su to it. |
| 02:56.16 | neurotope | when i said my first linux install and use i meant first |
| 02:56.20 | vladster | says joystick initialization failed |
| 02:56.22 | Nexus_ | Is there a way to clear out all config files for a program that you've uninstalled? |
| 02:56.24 | jsn | Hmm, I don't have mail directly on this machine. Do I need it for reportbug? |
| 02:56.33 | peterS | jsn: you need to be able to send mail, yes |
| 02:56.36 | Xenguy | Nexus_: /a0 |
| 02:56.36 | pipeline | neurotope: "no screens found" is a generic error that means X is not configured correctly. |
| 02:56.37 | brad | i installede the binary packe u linked me too....x is now running off the synaptics driver...i know this because my mouse speed settings changed |
| 02:56.40 | Xenguy | sorry |
| 02:56.42 | peterS | jsn: because reportbug will want to do so directly |
| 02:56.45 | gravity | neurotope: Do you know the su command at least? |
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| 02:56.50 | jsn | Can I run reportbug on my mail machine, it's running stable, this machine has sid. |
| 02:56.51 | brad | but now i still can't tap the touchpad to get it to register a click |
| 02:56.51 | Nexus_ | Xenguy, What was that?? |
| 02:56.52 | neurotope | nope |
| 02:56.57 | themusicgod1 | is there a way to escape / to include it into filenames? |
| 02:57.03 | brad | i am running the 2.6.8 kernel and it says something about having to modify the kernel |
| 02:57.05 | jsn | Will it report the bug as being on stable, I mean to ask, gravity. |
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| 02:57.09 | pipeline | neurotope: use "dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" to wipe out your X config, then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to try again. |
| 02:57.12 | themusicgod1 | ie mkdir f\/oobar |
| 02:57.13 | neurotope | first day at this... read the install stuff step by step, but didnt cover this... |
| 02:57.15 | Xenguy | Nexus_: apt-get --purge remove |
| 02:57.16 | gravity | neurotope: man su |
| 02:57.36 | sanxiyn | Іf І wеrе rеаⅼⅼу ⅰɳtеrеѕtеⅾ ⅰɳ ϳoЬ ѕеcÏ…râ…°tу rÑ–gÒºt ɳоw, Ð†â€™Ô â…¾rÐ¾Ï Ïеrâ…¼ fⅼаt Ð°Î·Ô Ð¬Ðµâ…½Ð¾â…¿Ðµ а υɳіⅽоⅾе е×реrt. --Joey Hess |
| 02:57.37 | themusicgod1 | or better yet |
| 02:57.42 | Nexus_ | Xenguy, Cool. Thanx. |
| 02:57.47 | Xenguy | Nexus_: yw |
| 02:57.47 | themusicgod1 | or better yet |
| 02:57.51 | peterS | sanxiyn: en anglais, s'il vous plaît |
| 02:57.53 | gravity | neurotope: You can just type su. It'll ask you for your root password, and you can become root that way. You then logout and you're right back to where you were as normal user. You should always use that instead of logging in direclty as root. |
| 02:57.55 | sanxiyn | (How many characters can you see? :-) |
| 02:57.57 | themusicgod1 | just tell me the m to rtf of. that'd wokr |
| 02:57.58 | Nexus_ | Anyone have Apache::MP3 working under debian? |
| 02:58.23 | sanxiyn | peterS: ??? |
| 02:58.37 | peterS | sanxiyn: french("in English, please") |
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| 02:58.48 | sanxiyn | peterS: It's English. |
| 02:59.03 | debian | sanxiyn: be bonsa la demal oh. |
| 02:59.24 | sanxiyn | If I were really interested in job security right now, I'd drop Perl flat and become a unicode expert, written in characters here and there from Unicode. |
| 02:59.29 | vladster | there is no listing of /dev/js0 |
| 02:59.30 | jsn | gravity: What topic (1-16) should I choose. xplanet isn't in the base system, is it? |
| 02:59.35 | sanxiyn | See http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/programmer_job_security-2005-02-07-20-09.html |
| 02:59.40 | brad | caphuso: any suggestions? |
| 02:59.49 | sanxiyn | (I could read all characters there! :-) |
| 03:00.03 | themusicgod1 | sanxiyn: unicode? why would that entail dropping perl? or am I missing something? |
| 03:00.08 | sanxiyn | (IPA, Greek, Cyrillic, Armenian...) |
| 03:00.11 | gravity | jsn: topic? |
| 03:00.13 | debian | sanxiyn: how does unicode improve your job security? :o |
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| 03:00.21 | sanxiyn | Read http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/programmer_job_security-2005-02-07-20-09.html if you're curious. |
| 03:00.24 | gravity | jsn: It should just ask you to type the name of the program with the bug |
| 03:00.26 | jsn | gravity: Oh, I see. |
| 03:00.33 | caphuso | brad: try using qsynaptics |
| 03:00.39 | themusicgod1 | sanxiyn: copying into somewhere where I can pull the URL out and read it somewhere |
| 03:00.48 | brad | does that have an apt-get package? |
| 03:01.00 | sanxiyn | themusicgod1: ? |
| 03:01.03 | vladster | I just found them , they are hidden, will this affect their ability to load dynamicaly |
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| 03:01.59 | sanxiyn | (He's complaining about recent security advisory regarding IDN spoofing, affecting all browsers except Internet Explorer.) |
| 03:02.17 | caphuso | and except lynx |
| 03:02.23 | vladster | they are in the /.dev directory |
| 03:02.24 | abrotman | sanxiyn: apparently with the correct plugin . IE is vuln too |
| 03:02.31 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Yes. |
| 03:02.58 | brad | sanxiyn ie is vuln too if u run the plugin enabling idn |
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| 03:03.10 | brad | honestly though...how many people do u think are going to target that market |
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| 03:03.19 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:03.19 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:03.26 | sanxiyn | I think I read about registering N{Black Chess King}.com on Planet Debian. |
| 03:03.44 | sanxiyn | (Black Chess King as a unicode character, that is.) |
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| 03:05.23 | sanxiyn | Beware, bug filing can be addictive. |
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| 03:06.29 | sanxiyn | jsn: Wow, that's a rare gift, I guess. |
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| 03:07.07 | jsn | It's more luck than a gift, I think. |
| 03:07.10 | caphuso | i pick up and put down cigarettes at least 10 times per day |
| 03:07.13 | jsn | heh |
| 03:07.31 | caphuso | so it's nothing to be proud, everyone can do that ;-) |
| 03:07.48 | jsn | A couple cigs a day isn't likely to kill anyone. After dinner smoke is nicest. |
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| 03:08.20 | nitrocks | i've used bastille in order to harden my system security per reccomendation of a collegue.. could anyone tell me what I need to do in order to open up port 80 so people can access my apache server?.. do i only need to edit iptables, or are there other aspects of bastille that would restrict this access? |
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| 03:09.28 | karamelos | which program is good to manage a linux-based cybercafe? |
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| 03:10.45 | BucAWAY | is sata supported ? |
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| 03:10.54 | BBearr | Hello |
| 03:11.13 | gravity | karamelos: I think jwz made one specifically for that. |
| 03:11.20 | gravity | karamelos: Or a distro or somethin |
| 03:11.30 | gravity | BucAWAY: Yes |
| 03:11.40 | sanxiyn | (GPLFlash on SDL screenshot: http://exman.pe.kr/board/image.php?mode=image_print2&board_rno=683&board_type=png&board_image_name=bingo.png) |
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| 03:11.44 | gravity | BucAWAY: In the sarge installer at least. Not woody. |
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| 03:12.23 | karamelos | gravity, who/what is jwz? |
| 03:12.24 | vladster | still no luck |
| 03:12.42 | bismark | hello avery one |
| 03:12.52 | gravity | karamelos: Jamie Zawinski |
| 03:13.01 | BBearr | Can someone help me with mouse config? |
| 03:13.05 | vladster | is there a possibility that something went wrong in the install? |
| 03:13.16 | sanxiyn | karamelos: Author of XEmacs, XScreenSaver and one of Netscape. |
| 03:13.25 | Flimzy | BBearr: Not unless/until you ask a specific question. |
| 03:13.38 | sanxiyn | karamelos: Now running Linux cybercafe, I think. |
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| 03:14.01 | pedro | how do I force something to be killed? |
| 03:14.06 | TheBlueWizard | karamelos: jwz is the guy who ported Netscape to *nix/Linux platform (while Netscape was around as an independent company)....and the same guy who urged Netscape to opensource it |
| 03:14.15 | gravity | pedro: man kill |
| 03:14.23 | pedro | gravity no |
| 03:14.34 | BBearr | I have a Micro Innovations wireless KBD/Mouse combination. I haven't been able to get the mouse to settle down. |
| 03:14.34 | gravity | pedro: No? |
| 03:14.51 | sanxiyn | TheBlueWizard: Also XEmacs... |
| 03:15.08 | pedro | it isnt it |
| 03:15.11 | sanxiyn | Also the author of brilliant JWZ mail threading algorithm. |
| 03:15.26 | gravity | pedro: Um. Yeah, it really is. |
| 03:15.37 | TheBlueWizard | sanxiyn: I know :) jwz forked Emacs into XEmacs after some spat with other coders over the direction of Emacs :) |
| 03:15.40 | common | !dpkg gpg gui |
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| 03:15.49 | gravity | pedro: Having killed plenty of processes in my time, I can assure you that's it |
| 03:15.54 | common | hrmkay |
| 03:15.55 | sanxiyn | common: gpa |
| 03:15.55 | gravity | pedro: Try reading it and see for yourself. |
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| 03:16.05 | sanxiyn | !info gpa |
| 03:16.06 | gravity | common: seahorse is good |
| 03:16.08 | dpkg | gpa: (GNU Privacy Assistant), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 207 kB, Installed size: 884 kB |
| 03:16.09 | Bizarro_paco | hello everyone |
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| 03:16.26 | Orcrist | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.28 | sanxiyn | TheBlueWizard: As it should have been... |
| 03:16.31 | pedro | gravity that isnt |
| 03:16.33 | caphuso | TheBlueWizard: what? where? |
| 03:16.39 | pedro | why dont you say the command plz? |
| 03:16.42 | BucAWAY | gravity my motherboard has 2 sata channels for RAID 0/1/jbod how would i set this up in debian ? |
| 03:16.44 | Xenguy | TheBlueWizard: really? |
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| 03:16.58 | BucAWAY | gravity or by setting it up in the bios is all i need to do ? |
| 03:17.00 | gravity | BucAWAY: I don't know, I assume the sarge installer will do that for you |
| 03:17.10 | Bizarro_paco | i am having trouble with ndiswrapper..i have a wpc54g card; i have loaded ndiswrapper, and the commands seem to work fine, but i cannot get the lights turned on. |
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| 03:17.13 | BucAWAY | gravity i just don't want software raid |
| 03:17.13 | gravity | BucAWAY: I have no idea. I've never used sata or raid |
| 03:17.20 | BucAWAY | gravity k |
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| 03:18.19 | gravity | pedro: Read the page that man kill prints. |
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| 03:18.23 | gravity | pedro: It will explain what to do. |
| 03:18.29 | gravity | pedro: I'm not going to do your reading for you. |
| 03:18.36 | vladster | is there a repair option that can fix a installation that did not fully take |
| 03:18.47 | gravity | vladster: Huh? |
| 03:19.02 | gravity | vladster: How did your installation not complete itself? |
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| 03:19.25 | vladster | some things are not working correctly |
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| 03:19.29 | sanxiyn | Oh Tk, the true cross platform Toolkit... |
| 03:19.38 | gravity | vladster: That doesn't mean your install failed |
| 03:19.42 | vladster | GTK for one is broken in places |
| 03:19.45 | prock | which daemon listens on port 514 (shell) |
| 03:19.46 | prock | ? |
| 03:19.57 | gravity | vladster: Did you get errors when you installed? |
| 03:20.00 | TheBlueWizard | caphuso and Xenguy: that's the extent of my meager knowledge re: XEmacs and Emacs....I could be wrong on those....at least I did recall reading that parts of XEmacs are being incorporated into Emacs....feel free to bitchslap me :) |
| 03:20.12 | caphuso | TheBlueWizard: #emacs thinks you're on crack |
| 03:20.20 | caphuso | prock: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 03:20.23 | TheBlueWizard | oh....hmm...ok |
| 03:20.25 | vladster | I get errors when I try to run some things that depend on GTK |
| 03:20.28 | Xenguy | TheBlueWizard: won't be me ;-) I just don't know |
| 03:20.36 | TheBlueWizard | !bitchslap TheBlueWizard |
| 03:20.37 | gravity | vladster: How did you install? |
| 03:20.47 | vladster | net install |
| 03:20.52 | try_catch_this | I was wondering what would be a good crossplatform gui libary that has all the controlls that windos has but still works well on many other linux systems |
| 03:21.04 | gravity | vladster: Using what? Sarge installer? |
| 03:21.08 | common | sanxiyn: can gpa resolve the mail addresses to unsigned keys my buddies got on their chain? |
| 03:21.09 | vladster | yep |
| 03:21.12 | gravity | try_catch_this: wxwidgets |
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| 03:21.19 | sanxiyn | try_catch_this: If you insist on "all controls Windows have", wxWidgets. |
| 03:21.23 | sanxiyn | try_catch_this: But why? |
| 03:21.30 | sanxiyn | common: Dunno. |
| 03:21.39 | sanxiyn | try_catch_this: Tk is quite good. |
| 03:21.44 | try_catch_this | sanxiyn: well because I am most familar with windows programing |
| 03:21.46 | gravity | vladster: What errors do these gtk apps give you? |
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| 03:21.56 | sanxiyn | (Tk has very good native MacOS X backend, by the way) |
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| 03:22.05 | gravity | ugh... tk |
| 03:22.11 | bismark | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 03:22.13 | gravity | Tk is not only ugly, it's really ugly |
| 03:22.16 | sanxiyn | (Unlike GTK or wx although wx is getting better.) |
| 03:22.19 | vladster | (synaptic:4602): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtklabel.c: line 2792 (gtk_label_set_use_underline): assertion `GTK_IS_LABEL (label)' failed |
| 03:22.23 | sanxiyn | gravity: Not really. It's themable. |
| 03:22.31 | prock | caphuso, thanks |
| 03:22.34 | gravity | sanxiyn: Yeah, but no one themes it. It's ugly by default. |
| 03:22.39 | dondelelcaro | gravity: although, Tk does have the advantage of being totally cross platform |
| 03:22.45 | try_catch_this | I never wrote anything to be specifically crossplatform so was just asking for advise |
| 03:22.51 | gravity | dondelelcaro: True, although wx works pretty well. |
| 03:22.52 | sanxiyn | gravity: I think CrossOver Office installer is writte in Tk and looks good and works well. |
| 03:23.33 | bismark | /msg |
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| 03:23.33 | dondelelcaro | it's not like beauty really matters anyway, since most things that insist on using a GUI have crap for features anyway |
| 03:23.35 | try_catch_this | btw, is java good for this stuff on linux et al? |
| 03:23.49 | dondelelcaro | try_catch_this: it'll run, but it has the same issues that java everywhere does |
| 03:23.50 | sanxiyn | Also, Tk looks better on Aqua than on Linux... |
| 03:23.55 | vladster | I was considering trying to do bootstrap install without the installer to see if that solves the problem |
| 03:24.00 | gravity | vladster: Do you have some mix of unstable and testing or something? |
| 03:24.01 | sanxiyn | try_catch_this: Yes, Java is a good idea too. |
| 03:24.07 | z36ra | try: what was your question? I know these guys can be big assholes. |
| 03:24.09 | vladster | all testing |
| 03:24.11 | gravity | vladster: This sort of problem doesn't make sense |
| 03:24.18 | caphuso | like ripping your own throat out is a good idea |
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| 03:24.43 | try_catch_this | after all the crap I heard about benchmakrs and stuff java is still solw as a b**** to me |
| 03:24.49 | vladster | I checked the GTK libraries and they all appear to be there |
| 03:24.50 | try_catch_this | slow* |
| 03:24.54 | sanxiyn | try_catch_this: Really? |
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| 03:25.00 | try_catch_this | well startup |
| 03:25.04 | kin_lin | can someone tell me an easy way to add sources to my apt-get sources list |
| 03:25.04 | sanxiyn | Ah sure. |
| 03:25.09 | caphuso | kin_lin: apt-setup |
| 03:25.13 | kin_lin | i dont remember the cmd |
| 03:25.15 | kin_lin | ty |
| 03:25.15 | kin_lin | :) |
| 03:25.16 | Little_Dump | what file contains the current dns and domain information |
| 03:25.18 | sanxiyn | It is slow to start, not slow. |
| 03:25.19 | kin_lin | sorry brain fart |
| 03:25.26 | caphuso | Little_Dump: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:25.47 | gravity | vladster: Do you get that with all gtk apps or just synaptic? |
| 03:25.55 | z36ra | half these guys dont know what Java is |
| 03:26.20 | vladster | I get simalar messages with other GTK apps |
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| 03:26.26 | sanxiyn | z36ra: What is Java |
| 03:26.27 | gcbirzan | Hm. |
| 03:26.29 | try_catch_this | the java programs I have used (netbeans) mostly seem to be unresponsive maybe thats just the programer and not the language though |
| 03:26.30 | Flimzy | z36ra: half which guys? |
| 03:26.33 | Little_Dump | !java |
| 03:26.33 | dpkg | i heard java is a platform independent OO language. People usually associate Java with eye-candy applets, this is in fact a relatively weak use of Java. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere |
| 03:26.39 | BBearr | Can someone tell me how to config a wireless 4-button wheel mouse? All I need is two buttons and the wheel. Or just two buttons. |
| 03:26.39 | vladster | that and the joystick issue |
| 03:27.02 | sanxiyn | gravity: Yes, they fight harshly, but they do cooperate too. |
| 03:27.03 | xonic | hmn, ndiswrapper seems to be looking for version.h in /usr/src/linux-2.6.10/include/linux/version.h and then exits when it can't find it.. |
| 03:27.07 | z36ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.08 | vladster | makes me think something did not settle in properly on the install |
| 03:27.09 | gcbirzan | Is there a way to get apt-proxy not to double the first / in the URL for stuff, the mirror I'm using is giving a 403 for such URLs. |
| 03:27.12 | sanxiyn | gravity: I don't like SableVM's bitching about Kaffe though. |
| 03:27.13 | gcbirzan | s/\./?/ |
| 03:27.21 | gravity | sanxiyn: Yeah |
| 03:27.21 | BBearr | The wireless plugs into the PS/2 ports |
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| 03:27.32 | z36ra | I got two suckers |
| 03:27.38 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: don't include the trailing slash in the url that you've got |
| 03:27.42 | Flimzy | z36ra: Well then there's nothing wrong with them not knowing, is there? |
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| 03:27.56 | sanxiyn | gravity: After all, interesting things are happening on Classpath, not on JVM... |
| 03:27.58 | z36ra | ok |
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| 03:28.04 | z36ra | right bud |
| 03:28.13 | vladster | it is like I almost get to manually link everything |
| 03:28.23 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: I have "http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian" and it tries to fetch "http://ftp.ro.debian.org:80//debian/dists/unstable/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz" |
| 03:28.25 | gravity | sanxiyn: That's my impression |
| 03:28.36 | Flimzy | gcbirzan: the first /? as in http://? |
| 03:28.42 | gcbirzan | Flimzy: In the path, sorry. |
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| 03:29.01 | Flimzy | gcbirzan: so http://foo.org// ? |
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| 03:29.05 | gcbirzan | Flimzy: Yeah. |
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| 03:29.14 | sanxiyn | gravity: Also, I think JikesRVM deserves better recognition. (IMO, it is the most optimizing JVM on free Java scene.) |
| 03:29.20 | ironflippy | when i try installing OSS, it tells me that i already have a sound driver loaded, and it won't unload it, nor can i do that manually, as there is no "sound" module |
| 03:29.34 | Flimzy | gcbirzan: odd. I've never used apt-proxy, tho.. So I can't offer any suggestions off hand |
| 03:30.01 | vladster | so do I try a reinstall or another net install |
| 03:30.12 | Dark_Kyo | anyone can help me please? |
| 03:30.14 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: hrm... that's interesting. Well, it's clear that the mirror shouldn't care, since that's a perfectly valid url... but you might try the bts for apt-proxy about that one |
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| 03:30.30 | gravity | vladster: I don't think a reinstall will help you. Unless there was some error during install, nothing should be wrong. |
| 03:30.44 | gravity | vladster: It might just be a transient bug in testing or something |
| 03:31.03 | vladster | not unless I had dropped packets in the install process |
| 03:31.04 | Flimzy | Dark_Kyo: Help you with what? |
| 03:31.46 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: can you paste your configuration? |
| 03:31.51 | vladster | I don't think woody has anything to support a lot of my hardware |
| 03:31.51 | dondelelcaro | (use the paster bot) |
| 03:31.52 | Flimzy | !tell Dark_Kyo about msg |
| 03:32.25 | vladster | Plus the woody installer is a bit confusing for me |
| 03:32.36 | ironflippy | does anyone know much about oss, or at least how to get it installed properly? |
| 03:32.48 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: http://wolfheart.ro/~gcbirzan/apt-proxy-v2.conf |
| 03:32.49 | sanxiyn | vladster: deb has checksum for a reason... |
| 03:32.50 | Dark_Kyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.04 | sanxiyn | Dark_Kyo: Depends, of course. |
| 03:33.16 | Flimzy | Dark_Kyo: Yeah, neither do I... since that's entirely dependant on what you'll be putting on the server. |
| 03:33.19 | BBearr | Can someone help me with a Micro Innovations wireless KBD/Mouse combo? It's a four-button wheel mouse; wireless base is plugged into the PS/2 ports. |
| 03:33.42 | Dark_Kyo | only a LAMP |
| 03:33.47 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: Also, I couldn't find anything on the BTS. I'm not really that good with Python. |
| 03:33.53 | sanxiyn | Dark_Kyo: Do split /usr and /var and /home. |
| 03:33.59 | sanxiyn | Eh, no /home? |
| 03:34.04 | Dark_Kyo | yes |
| 03:34.04 | Flimzy | Dark_Kyo: a LAMP? |
| 03:34.22 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: Though, I think I've found the responsible part. |
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| 03:34.27 | vladster | could ther be a problem with the beta installer analyzing the hardware |
| 03:34.30 | xonic | why does the 2.6.10 kernel not have version.h in it's include/linux path? |
| 03:34.45 | Dark_Kyo | LAMP : Linux+Apache+MySQL+PHP |
| 03:35.00 | Flimzy | vladster: There almost certianly are problems with any beta software. Although whether such a problem would effect you, and moreover, effect you seriously, is another issue all together. |
| 03:35.33 | Flimzy | Dark_Kyo: Ah... so in other words "A toy" |
| 03:35.33 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: It only happens when I use a HTTP proxy. |
| 03:35.33 | Dark_Kyo | lol |
| 03:35.39 | Dark_Kyo | you make me laugh ;) |
| 03:35.41 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: Well, not really. LAMP is not automatically a toy. |
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| 03:35.55 | Flimzy | sanmarcos: If the M meant something else, it might not be a toy any more :P |
| 03:35.56 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: Er, add a "I am UTSLing now" before the Python comment. |
| 03:36.18 | Flimzy | Dark_Kyo: will it be a home server, or is it being used for something more? |
| 03:36.21 | BBearr | no mice, I guess... |
| 03:36.22 | peterS | Flimzy: the M and the P both have to mean something other than what they usually do |
| 03:36.25 | vladster | The ubuntu boot has no issues but that I use for newb testing and demo, this is the one I like to work with and I would like to get it all there if you know what I mean |
| 03:36.29 | sanmarcos | FlimFlamMan: eh? |
| 03:36.30 | Dark_Kyo | home server yes |
| 03:36.39 | Flimzy | peterS: P could easily mean Perl :) |
| 03:36.48 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: oh... you're running apt-proxy->proxy->http server? |
| 03:36.49 | Flimzy | PerfDave: and for that matter, the M could mean Mod- |
| 03:36.51 | sanxiyn | Dark_Kyo: You give accounts to others? |
| 03:36.57 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: Yeah. |
| 03:37.01 | vladster | when does sarge go stable |
| 03:37.04 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: yeah, most likley it's the proxy that is causing the URL to be rewritten improperly then |
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| 03:37.10 | Flimzy | peterS: Linux+Apache+Modperl+PostgreSQL |
| 03:37.15 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: since I don't see anything about it here |
| 03:37.24 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: Actually, I can see in the log that apt-proxy tries to fetch that URL. |
| 03:37.36 | Dark_Kyo | yes maybe limited numbers of users is not a real big files servers |
| 03:37.50 | peterS | Flimzy: heh, right. the P usually means PHP but I admit it *has* been used for Perl or Python |
| 03:37.55 | Flimzy | Dark_Kyo: Okay, if it's a home server, then it doesn't probably matter too much. B/c if 6 mos down the road you realize you want to change something, your boss and 3,000 employees won't be SOL while you take it down temporarily, copy data, and repartition |
| 03:38.07 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: Oh. Or not. |
| 03:38.08 | moodsoft | hi all, I have an interesting problem. KDE knows that thunderbird is my default mail app. but all of a sudden when I click on mail links in firefox, evolution is launched, any ideas? |
| 03:38.53 | Dark_Kyo | but it's not neccessary to reparition i can just put a partition for the / and swap and /home ? |
| 03:38.54 | ironflippy | could someone please help me with a small quick issue with installing OSS? |
| 03:39.21 | Flimzy | ironflippy: you have to ask a specific question first, of course. |
| 03:39.21 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: Nope, it's not the proxy, apt-proxy makes the double slash request. |
| 03:39.23 | moodsoft | or perhaps a better first q, is how do I determine what is having the problem? is it Firefox? KDE? something else? |
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| 03:40.03 | ironflippy | when i run the installer, it says that i already have a driver loaded, and if it asks if i want it to unload that driver |
| 03:40.05 | Flimzy | moodsoft: It sounds like KDE no longer "realizes" that firefox is to be used. |
| 03:40.07 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: Check your Firefox' network.protocol-handler.app.mailto |
| 03:40.15 | ironflippy | so i say yes, and it doesn't |
| 03:40.20 | Flimzy | moodsoft: Either KDE itself is launching evolution, or KDE is handing that function off ot something else that is |
| 03:40.25 | ironflippy | so i attempt to unload it manually |
| 03:40.43 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: I think it's Firefox's fault. |
| 03:40.53 | Bizarro_paco | i am having trouble with ndiswrapper; my lights on my card won't turn on |
| 03:40.57 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: As far as I know, Firefox ignores KDE's default mail ua, etc. |
| 03:40.57 | ironflippy | using rmmod sound |
| 03:41.01 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: maybe. Don't tell me, tho. |
| 03:41.13 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: So Firefox is launching evolution? That sounds very unusual |
| 03:41.28 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: it's possible... tell the dude with the problem |
| 03:41.35 | moodsoft | Flimzy, how would I go about determining what KDE does when I click on a mailto link in FF? |
| 03:41.50 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: Line 2005/02/08 05:38 EET [Uninitialized] [http_client] GET:http://ftp.ro.debian.org:80//debian/dists/sarge/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 03:41.54 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: As far as I know, KDE does nothing. |
| 03:41.58 | Flimzy | moodsoft: I missed that it was happening from FF... it's almost certianly not a KDE issue then |
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| 03:42.04 | mwilson | Why would KDE do anything? |
| 03:42.12 | WiFiTux | What is the easiest and coolest BSD distro? Which one is Theo's? |
| 03:42.14 | Flimzy | moodsoft: listen to sanxiyn .... I think he's had more sleep than me recently, so his solution is probably more accurate :) |
| 03:42.20 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: Er, sorry about that. Line 576 of /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/apt_proxy/apt_proxy.py, you need to get rid of a slash. |
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| 03:42.30 | Flimzy | WiFiTux: What's the best sound card I can get for Windows |
| 03:42.31 | Flimzy | ? |
| 03:42.43 | Flimzy | WiFiTux: What's the best engine I can put in a Ford Mustang? |
| 03:42.44 | moodsoft | nwilson: you can tell KDE what your default mail app is, and programs are supposed to listen to it |
| 03:42.49 | Flimzy | WiFiTux: What's the best off-topic question I can ask? |
| 03:42.52 | WiFiTux | Flimzy, An Intel High Defitition... |
| 03:43.04 | WiFiTux | Flimzy, Viper |
| 03:43.07 | mwilson | moodsoft: I'm happy you think so. Doesn't make it the way things work, though. |
| 03:43.21 | WiFiTux | Flimzy, Does your mom sleep with the sox on? |
| 03:43.23 | Flimzy | moodsoft: KDE apps anyway |
| 03:43.31 | Flimzy | moodsoft: FF is not a KDE app |
| 03:43.53 | Flimzy | moodsoft: And thank God for that |
| 03:44.00 | Flimzy | moodsoft: B/c nobody would like it if it was a KDE app |
| 03:44.01 | WiFiTux | Flimzy, now answer my questions. |
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| 03:44.09 | moodsoft | true FF isn't, but until recently it seemed to be happy to let KDE determine what app to run. perhaps I should just uninstall evolution |
| 03:44.12 | EduardoJr | can anybody help me with my vpn? |
| 03:44.17 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: FF is being ported to use Qt and KDE infras, though. |
| 03:44.23 | Flimzy | WiFiTux: I'll answer any on-topic questions you ask, that I know the answers to and am inclined to impart knowledge about. |
| 03:44.25 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, openvpn? |
| 03:44.32 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: As I said, check your mailto protocol handler. |
| 03:44.37 | WiFiTux | Flimzy, yeye, ok. |
| 03:44.42 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux no, pptpd |
| 03:44.58 | moodsoft | sanxiyn, I have never found a mailto handler in FF |
| 03:45.00 | Flimzy | moodsoft: Until recently, you probably _thought_ it was letting KDE choose which program to run, simply b/c FF and KDE were choosing the same one, when in reality they were choosing the same one by coincidence, not by design. |
| 03:45.07 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux the problem is that when i connect to it, i lost all my local (client) connections |
| 03:45.08 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: Type about:config on URL form. |
| 03:45.18 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: Search for network.protocol-handler.external.mailto. |
| 03:45.25 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: If it has some value like evolution, adjust. |
| 03:45.40 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, sounds like a networking config issue. Probably a routing one? |
| 03:46.01 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux yeah, but where? :) |
| 03:46.12 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux can i send you my firewall? |
| 03:46.20 | Flimzy | EduardoJr: you can send it to me |
| 03:46.27 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, maybe it changes it's IP address in the config file. |
| 03:46.33 | Flimzy | EduardoJr: Make sure you send it with insurance... I don't want the postal service damaging it in the mail |
| 03:46.34 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, yeah, to that guy. |
| 03:46.42 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: Found config item? |
| 03:47.00 | ironflippy | Flimzy: is there a way to unload a sound module without using the rmmod command, because it claims there is no "sound" module |
| 03:47.15 | ironflippy | Flimzy: or is something wrong? |
| 03:47.23 | WiFiTux | ironflippy, ALSA? |
| 03:47.28 | vulture | ironflippy: what makes you think there is a sound module? |
| 03:47.34 | EduardoJr | hehe |
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| 03:47.37 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux just a second |
| 03:47.39 | vulture | does lsmod show a module called "sound"? |
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| 03:47.44 | uGexe | updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory |
| 03:47.50 | Flimzy | ironflippy: then there probably is no module called 'sound' loaded |
| 03:47.52 | uGexe | why do i get that error when i do updatedb? |
| 03:47.53 | gcbirzan | uGexe: updatedb |
| 03:47.56 | gcbirzan | Oh. |
| 03:48.01 | ironflippy | oss-install asked me to remove it before it could install |
| 03:48.01 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: If hand-editing about:config is too much, install MozEx extension. Then you have dialog to set mailto handler in Firefox. |
| 03:48.01 | gcbirzan | Missing the directory? |
| 03:48.02 | uGexe | hehe |
| 03:48.03 | moodsoft | sanxiyn, yes, but it appears to be a boolean at least the one I've found so far |
| 03:48.06 | Ashtars_fanclub | is there any nice way to rebuild alsa drivers using alsa-source? |
| 03:48.08 | gcbirzan | uGexe: Missing the directory? |
| 03:48.15 | vulture | ironflippy: what did it say, exactly? |
| 03:48.17 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, no puedo recivir archivos... :) |
| 03:48.20 | uGexe | gcbirzan: it should be setup when slocate is installed |
| 03:48.33 | gcbirzan | uGexe: Bugs do exit. :-P |
| 03:48.37 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux mail maybe? |
| 03:48.45 | gcbirzan | uGexe: Even in Debian. :-P |
| 03:48.53 | vcm | hello |
| 03:48.55 | ironflippy | vulture: You appear to have the the kernel level sound driver installed as a loadable |
| 03:48.56 | ironflippy | module. Unload it by executing rmmod sound and try installing OSS/Linux again. |
| 03:49.06 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, what makes you think it's the firewall and not the netconfig the vpn is changing when a user kicks in? |
| 03:49.08 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: Sorry, it's not as easy as it should be now, but you can read http://mozex.mozdev.org/faq.html#unixthunder |
| 03:49.19 | sanxiyn | (MozEx FAQ: UNIX: How do I use Thunderbird to handle mailto: links?) |
| 03:49.21 | vulture | ironflippy: does "lsmod" agree/ |
| 03:49.32 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux i dont know... |
| 03:49.40 | vcm | how can i configure a service in debian? i used chkconfig in other distros |
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| 03:49.44 | Flimzy | ironflippy: Did it say "remove the module called 'sound'" or did it say "Remove the sound module"? |
| 03:49.50 | vulture | vcm: edit the appropriate files in /etc/ |
| 03:49.58 | vulture | vcm: configure it in what way? |
| 03:50.01 | vulture | and which service? |
| 03:50.11 | vcm | for example: disable snort |
| 03:50.16 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, go by the config and make sure there are no incorrectly set IP's. Connect in VPN, and see if the IP addressing is correct and the right DNS and gateway and so on... |
| 03:50.18 | vcm | to start at boot time |
| 03:50.20 | Flimzy | vcm: That depends on several things... 1) How do you define a 'service'? 2) which service is it? 3) What type of configuration are you wanting to do? |
| 03:50.34 | vulture | vcm: then there's probably something in /etc/default/snort or similar with an ENABLED env variable |
| 03:50.38 | ironflippy | Flimzy: it did |
| 03:50.43 | vulture | vcm: if not, then use update-rc.d to change when services start/stop |
| 03:50.44 | Flimzy | ironflippy: It did what? |
| 03:50.46 | ironflippy | vulture: i have an snd module |
| 03:50.51 | Flimzy | ironflippy: That was not a yes-or-no question. |
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| 03:50.59 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux ok i will.. brb |
| 03:51.00 | WallsHosting | hi all |
| 03:51.03 | Flimzy | ironflippy: it was an either-or question |
| 03:51.08 | vcm | no /etc/default/snort |
| 03:51.17 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, make sure you are not missing a digit or something. |
| 03:51.21 | ironflippy | Flimzy: it told me to remove the module |
| 03:51.24 | Flimzy | ironflippy: I'm guessing it said "remove the sound module" in which case "sound" is an adjective, not a noun. |
| 03:51.28 | oradude | Hello, could someone point me to a document that explains the (header) output of dpkg --list? |
| 03:51.29 | WallsHosting | does anyone here know if the first DVD from jigdo will install X server and GUI stuff? |
| 03:51.36 | Flimzy | ironflippy: nevermind. You're not paying attention, and I'm too tired to pay much more myself |
| 03:51.49 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: Still there? |
| 03:51.51 | vcm | service is an entry in /etc/init.d, it is enabled if exists links in /etc/rc?.d |
| 03:51.51 | vulture | vcm: man update-rc.d then |
| 03:51.51 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux ok, while that contabilleao.com.br/firewall.txt |
| 03:51.55 | Flimzy | WallsHosting: probably. |
| 03:51.59 | dureyes | can someone recommend a graphical newsreader for downloading binaries for the gnome desktop ? TIA |
| 03:52.03 | WallsHosting | u sure? |
| 03:52.09 | WallsHosting | because i suck at command lin |
| 03:52.10 | WallsHosting | e |
| 03:52.13 | Flimzy | WallsHosting: I said "probably" |
| 03:52.19 | Xenguy | dureyes: pan ? |
| 03:52.20 | mwilson | dureyes: Why would you need anything more than slrn? |
| 03:52.23 | Ashtars_fanclub | which package is required to get kpkg? |
| 03:52.24 | Flimzy | WallsHosting: If I was sure I would have said "yes, for sure" |
| 03:52.28 | vcm | thnx a lot vulture |
| 03:52.30 | WallsHosting | mmmk, |
| 03:52.34 | ironflippy | Flimzy: I'm sorry, I'm trying to figure it out myself |
| 03:52.43 | Flimzy | WallsHosting: But when you consider that the standard Debian install (binary) is, what, 7 CDs? That should fit on one DVD |
| 03:52.46 | Flimzy | WallsHosting: 2 at most |
| 03:53.08 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: See also Debian bug #232955: "Firefox has poor integration with Thunderbird". |
| 03:53.13 | WallsHosting | yea, id rather just have 2 DVD's w/ everything on them though |
| 03:53.21 | Flimzy | WallsHosting: And since jigdo tries to arrange them according to popularity, so the most popular parts are on the first disc(s), the chances are excellent that the first DVD will have what you want |
| 03:53.21 | sanxiyn | (includes discussion and workarounds) |
| 03:53.26 | ironflippy | Flimzy: You appear to have the the kernel level sound driver installed as a loadable |
| 03:53.26 | ironflippy | module. Unload it by executing rmmod sound and try installing OSS/Linux again. |
| 03:53.48 | Flimzy | WallsHosting: So... in summary "probably" |
| 03:54.00 | Flimzy | ironflippy: Did you compile your own kernel? |
| 03:54.00 | WallsHosting | :) |
| 03:54.25 | ironflippy | Flimzy: i used an apt-get instal kernel, if that's what you mean |
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| 03:54.29 | ironflippy | install* |
| 03:54.44 | WallsHosting | :) |
| 03:54.45 | WallsHosting | by now |
| 03:54.46 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: Shit. |
| 03:54.49 | WallsHosting | bye* |
| 03:54.50 | Flimzy | ironflippy: Okay, so you did not compile your own. And I'm sure the kernel level sound driver is modular, as the message indicated. |
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| 03:54.58 | Flimzy | ironflippy: If 'lsmod' does not show 'sound' listed, tho, then it's not currently loaded |
| 03:54.59 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: Read /usr/share/doc/mozilla-thunderbird/README.Debian. It's all explained there! |
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| 03:55.10 | sanxiyn | moodsoft: And it's easy! Thanks to Debian maintainer. |
| 03:55.13 | ironflippy | Flimzy: ok, so what should i do? |
| 03:55.25 | Flimzy | ironflippy: I'm not sure. |
| 03:55.27 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, who is 10.1.15 and 10.1.1.2? |
| 03:55.27 | WiFiTux | :| |
| 03:55.33 | Flimzy | ironflippy: I've never used an automated sound configuration thingie |
| 03:55.33 | S4NDM4N | WiFiTux wrong gw and dns |
| 03:55.44 | Flimzy | ironflippy: And I almost always put my sound drivers into the kernel proper, so modules aren't an issue |
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| 03:55.51 | WiFiTux | S4NDM4N, hhe probably... |
| 03:55.53 | Flimzy | ironflippy: You'll need to ask somebody with more recent experience with newer tools |
| 03:56.15 | ironflippy | Flimzy: any idea where i can find such a person? |
| 03:56.17 | Flimzy | ironflippy: (I'm an old school kinda guy when it comes to kernel stuff... comes from the fact that I've been building my own kernel since Linux 1.2.something) |
| 03:56.33 | Flimzy | ironflippy: This channel is the first place I would look. If there's nobody here now, try again in a few hours, or tomorrow. |
| 03:56.38 | S4NDM4N | WiFiTux 10.1.1.5 is the router and 10.1.1.2 is the vpn server (out of the dmz) |
| 03:56.46 | Flimzy | ironflippy: Meanwhile, google is your friend |
| 03:56.52 | ironflippy | Flimzy: ok, thanks for your patience |
| 03:56.54 | WiFiTux | S4NDM4N, how do you know this? |
| 03:56.58 | S4NDM4N | WiFiTux inside the router is 192.168.1.1 and the vpn server is 192.168.1.2 |
| 03:57.29 | Flimzy | ironflippy: Wish I could help more. Hope you find some good help from someone, tho. Now it's time for me to watch Enterprise, then get some sleep. |
| 03:57.50 | xonic | hmn, does anyone else get a huge system slowdown when they untar large kernel sources or do anything that seeks the HDD alot? |
| 03:57.51 | ironflippy | Flimzy: have fun |
| 03:57.56 | WiFiTux | S4NDM4N, ? |
| 03:58.09 | S4NDM4N | WiFiTux how do i know what? |
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| 03:58.20 | Flimzy | xonic: If you have slow or crappy hard disk controller (i.e. IDE), that is very likely to happen. |
| 03:58.26 | WiFiTux | S4NDM4N, what you are telling me. Are you EduardoJr? |
| 03:58.39 | xonic | Flimzy: hmmn, i'm using a notebook... :( |
| 03:58.41 | S4NDM4N | WiFiTux yes hehehe |
| 03:58.55 | difeta | hey all! I accidently chose "Hardware clock is set to GMT", and now my time is 6 hours behind. How do i unset the GMT setting? |
| 03:58.56 | Flimzy | xonic: probably not a lot you can do, then. Perhaps increase drive caches if possible (probably not possible, tho) |
| 03:58.58 | WiFiTux | S4NDM4N, dummy. OK, so that is wrong? |
| 03:59.04 | xonic | i c |
| 03:59.17 | mwilson | difeta: Uh, no, the correct question is "how do I set my clock to GMT?" |
| 03:59.25 | S4NDM4N | WiFiTux the gw is wrong, i'm looking for the .conf files... wait a minute.. |
| 03:59.32 | sanmarcos | how would I look for a specific file in the current directory, and its subdirectories? |
| 03:59.49 | WiFiTux | sanmarcos, find / -iname filename |
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| 03:59.51 | nvz | I spelled the kids name wrong. I guess its Caitlinn not Caitlynn, so would a usermod -l caitllinn caitlynn && mv /home/caitlynn /home/caitlinn be all I have to do? |
| 03:59.59 | sanmarcos | WiFiTux: / ? |
| 04:00.04 | difeta | mwilson, i dont follow you, why would i want my clock on GMT when im on US pacific time |
| 04:00.07 | sanmarcos | or ./ ? |
| 04:00.09 | WiFiTux | sanmarcos, /is the path else all |
| 04:00.19 | mwilson | difeta: Why wouldn't you? |
| 04:00.34 | sanmarcos | WiFiTux: ?, isnt that root? |
| 04:00.39 | difeta | mwilson, because its not accurate to my region |
| 04:00.48 | qwerty | Is firefox broken for anyone else? |
| 04:01.02 | WiFiTux | sanmarcos, use / if you dunno where it is. else use /usr/blabla to narrow down the search. |
| 04:01.06 | ironflippy | qwerty: define broken |
| 04:01.08 | sanmarcos | WiFiTux: :/ |
| 04:01.11 | nvz | qwerty: thats a question for bugs.debian.org or the mozilla bug tracking system |
| 04:01.22 | qwerty | ironflippy wont load after upgrade. |
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| 04:01.31 | nvz | ironflippy? |
| 04:01.37 | moodsoft | w/o installing the debian version thunderbird, can I ask one of the apt-get programs what version debian considers to be current? |
| 04:01.38 | nvz | wtf is an ironflippy? |
| 04:01.39 | qwerty | Wierd, will load with strace. |
| 04:01.39 | mwilson | difeta: GMT is accurate for everyone. Hence the question you were asked at install, which was followed by you being asked what timezone you actually live in. |
| 04:02.00 | WiFiTux | sanmarcos, you are awfully welcome. |
| 04:02.01 | ironflippy | qwerty: then nvz is right, this is not the place |
| 04:02.16 | nvz | ironflippy: oh, you are ironflippy :) |
| 04:02.19 | dureyes | Xenguy: thanks, pan looks really good, using it now |
| 04:02.25 | Xenguy | dureyes: yw |
| 04:02.41 | ironflippy | nvz: sure am |
| 04:02.42 | nvz | ironflippy: I thought he said ironfilppy didnt work after a firefox upgrade, and thought it was a program or plugin |
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| 04:02.44 | qwerty | ironflippy dont change the subject, wtf is an ironfilppy? |
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| 04:03.12 | difeta | mwilson, ok thats fine and dandy, but how do I specify that my clock is not set to GMT? |
| 04:03.23 | ironflippy | qwerty: it's not worth explaining |
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| 04:03.41 | bloo1 | dondelelcaro: remember the other day I mentioned the password prompt in sudo freezing up? it's doing it again right now. |
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| 04:03.49 | qwerty | ironflippy rock on. |
| 04:04.13 | bismark | how can i see help on this irc? |
| 04:04.14 | mwilson | difeta: So what you're saying is that you couldn't answer either question correctly. |
| 04:04.26 | sanmarcos | is there a way I can append a PREFIX to a make install? |
| 04:04.30 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux i did all that is write in here, i dont know why it is not working... http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/artigos/verArtigo.php?codigo=135 |
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| 04:04.31 | pole_ | anyone know of a v4l audio mixer? |
| 04:04.37 | sanmarcos | or can I change it after the configure processs is done?ç |
| 04:04.48 | vladster | when is sarge due to go stable? |
| 04:04.51 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, did you stop all and restarted the services? |
| 04:04.54 | mwilson | vladster: When it's ready. |
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| 04:05.06 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux just pptpd ! |
| 04:05.11 | difeta | mwilson, no, I'm saying i didnt answer the question about the GMT correctly. So, it is assumed that my hardware clock is GMT, and my timezone is US pacific and now I'm 6 hours behind |
| 04:05.14 | vladster | I heard something about march |
| 04:05.18 | difeta | where i should be that is |
| 04:05.33 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux what more could i restart? |
| 04:05.37 | mwilson | difeta: PST is zone - 8, not zone -6. |
| 04:05.39 | xonic | sigh, i'm giving up on ndiswrapper.. stupid company's that won't make linux drivers for thier stupdi hardware.. i should have consulted the LHD before picking up this d-link wlan card |
| 04:05.45 | EduardoJr | this machine is running just pptpd |
| 04:05.58 | difeta | mwilson, ok whatever. How can i change it? |
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| 04:06.19 | mwilson | difeta: Reboot the machine, enter BIOS setup, set the clock to GMT. |
| 04:06.32 | difeta | mwilson, that does not help |
| 04:06.39 | mwilson | That's how to fix it. |
| 04:06.52 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, all the iptables? :) |
| 04:06.55 | nvz | so can anyone confirm or correct this command: "usermod -l caitllinn caitlynn && mv /home/caitlynn /home/caitlinn", I seem to have spelled the kids name wrong. |
| 04:07.01 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux yes.. |
| 04:07.12 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, fixed and rebooted or what? |
| 04:07.14 | vladster | I suppose before I buy any new mobos, I will definitely consult the compatibility list |
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| 04:07.40 | WiFiTux | EduardoJr, I'm no Pro, give #iptables or #pptpd a shot |
| 04:07.50 | EduardoJr | WiFiTux ok! |
| 04:08.18 | vladster | Hopefully the install manual should shed some light on the issues |
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| 04:09.23 | nicedreams | on a new install of sarge from RC2 disk, do I have to install alsa or anything? The sound works, but don't know what mixer I'm using and can't use alsamixer or aumix |
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| 04:11.06 | JRWR | i whnated to upgrade my GNOME to 2.8 where can i find the pkgs for it |
| 04:11.09 | lightn | Does anyone know where I can find apache 2.1 debian packages? |
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| 04:11.39 | abrotman | lightn: isn't still beta? |
| 04:11.45 | chealer | alpha :) |
| 04:11.46 | lightn | yes |
| 04:11.51 | abrotman | JRWR: which version of debian are you running |
| 04:11.56 | vcm | how can i play a midi file? i´ve tried playmidi, kmid, pmidi (pick one midi from http://www.mutopiaproject.org) |
| 04:12.03 | abrotman | lightn: maybe experimental .. but i doubt it |
| 04:12.10 | abrotman | !info apache experimental |
| 04:12.13 | JRWR | Woody |
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| 04:12.23 | abrotman | JRWR: not possible without a lot of work |
| 04:12.35 | abrotman | JRWR: and not worth it |
| 04:12.36 | JRWR | at lest 2.0 |
| 04:12.41 | abrotman | !gnome woody |
| 04:12.41 | dpkg | To install Gnome in woody you want gnome-session, gnome-core, gnome-panel and maybe some other stuff. Remember Gnome is a desktop environment, not a window manager. |
| 04:12.44 | abrotman | bah |
| 04:12.57 | xonic | hmn, speaking of midi for linux, are there any decent softsynth packages for linux? |
| 04:13.02 | JRWR | ? |
| 04:13.08 | abrotman | JRWR: backports.org |
| 04:13.11 | JRWR | !gnome |
| 04:13.11 | dpkg | gnome is probably a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager |
| 04:13.11 | Ashtars_fanclub | when i build alsa modules using make-kpkg modules_image it makes it so that it installs in /lib/modules/2.6.8 not /lib/modules/2.6.8-k7 that i use |
| 04:13.15 | lightn | abrotman: I hoped there was a seperate repository out there that was building it |
| 04:13.17 | abrotman | xonic: beast maybe? |
| 04:13.22 | abrotman | lightn: maybe ask #apache |
| 04:13.37 | lightn | abrotman: ahh, right, thanks |
| 04:13.39 | bloo1 | does anybody have a clue why the Password: prompt would freeze up after entering a password when trying to use sudo, su, or login? |
| 04:13.56 | JRWR | did you enter a wrong passworf |
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| 04:14.02 | bloo1 | JRWR: no |
| 04:14.04 | Ashtars_fanclub | how can i fix this, is my linux headers somehow wrongly configured? |
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| 04:14.45 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: why are you compiling your kernel? |
| 04:14.56 | Ashtars_fanclub | i'm not |
| 04:15.02 | Ashtars_fanclub | i'm compiling alsa modules |
| 04:15.07 | kds | Hi. Having problems with sound server. /dev/dsp is busy after a few minutes of restarting artsd |
| 04:15.08 | abrotman | why are you building alsa? .. they are in the kernel |
| 04:15.14 | Ashtars_fanclub | because 1 need 1.08 for my sound card |
| 04:15.15 | kds | Can anyone help? |
| 04:15.17 | abrotman | kds: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 04:15.24 | JRWR | how do i replace the KDE user manger with GDM |
| 04:15.26 | abrotman | !info alsa sarge |
| 04:15.32 | abrotman | JRWR: apt-get install gdm |
| 04:15.36 | Ashtars_fanclub | kernel version is 1.04 |
| 04:15.38 | JRWR | i would even like to uninstall KDE |
| 04:15.41 | abrotman | !info alsa-base sarge |
| 04:15.44 | JRWR | ive got gdm installed |
| 04:15.51 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 04:16.02 | kds | abrotman: nothing comes with that command |
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| 04:16.05 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: sarge has 1.0.8 |
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| 04:16.06 | MitchK | i had alsa on my corn chips today |
| 04:16.07 | Ashtars_fanclub | yea i have that |
| 04:16.12 | Ashtars_fanclub | but it does not make my modules |
| 04:16.15 | JRWR | just i cant get it to load it insed of KDM |
| 04:16.18 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: why not? |
| 04:16.27 | kds | abrotman: oh, possibly cuz I just restarted arstd |
| 04:16.37 | abrotman | JRWR: look in /etc/X11 . i think there's a file that controls it |
| 04:16.44 | JRWR | some config file some where (man some many config files to deal with) |
| 04:16.45 | Ashtars_fanclub | prebuilt modules are only available for the 2.4 kernels i think |
| 04:17.02 | JRWR | man |
| 04:17.18 | kds | abrotman: /dev/dsp: 20337 |
| 04:17.18 | JRWR | why is GNOME so better then KDE i thougth kde was teh bomb |
| 04:17.34 | abrotman | kds: ps aux | grep 20337 |
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| 04:17.54 | kds | k2 20337 7.9 3.4 55712 8932 ? Sl 23:10 0:33 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -a oss -d -s 2 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f |
| 04:17.54 | kds | k2 20383 0.0 0.2 3600 712 pts/4 R+ 23:17 0:00 grep 20337 |
| 04:17.56 | raf256 | how can I make a tar -czf atchive with given strength of GZip compression (in example -3) |
| 04:18.00 | JRWR | KDE is like windows |
| 04:18.08 | JRWR | GNOME is like linux! |
| 04:18.16 | nicedreams | xfce and fluxbox are like linux |
| 04:18.16 | JRWR | hard but easy |
| 04:18.20 | Little_Dump | in XFree86Config-4 what module do i put Option "Offtime" "5" in? |
| 04:18.20 | nicedreams | :p |
| 04:18.29 | abrotman | raf256: i'm not sure you can with tar .. just create the tar and manually zip it |
| 04:18.29 | JRWR | and KDE is just easy but really hard |
| 04:18.51 | nvz | someone asked me one time if gift could search torrents, and I said no.. and it seems OpenFT stands for Open File Torrent I think |
| 04:18.51 | JRWR | so can i unistall KDE? |
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| 04:19.00 | raf256 | abrotman: but my uncompressed archive is about 1 GB, I would rather not allocated 1 GB for temporary file |
| 04:19.06 | Ashtars_fanclub | noone can help me to set make-kpkg to use 2.6.8-k7 headers instead of 2.6.8? |
| 04:19.08 | JRWR | lol |
| 04:19.09 | raf256 | abrotman: can I do it with a pipe somehow? |
| 04:19.12 | abrotman | raf256: tar will do it anyways |
| 04:19.18 | abrotman | raf256: and yes .. you can |
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| 04:19.50 | raf256 | hmm.. so after all, how from shell compress a file with given gzip strength, but without creating huge .tar file |
| 04:20.16 | abrotman | raf256: have tar go to stdout .. and gzip read it and compress it .. maybe |
| 04:20.16 | ralf | I'm a debian newbie and I'm stuck. Am I in the right place? |
| 04:20.23 | Ashtars_fanclub | yes |
| 04:20.25 | abrotman | ralf: ask |
| 04:20.33 | ralf | Well, I had a bit of a crisis. |
| 04:20.41 | ralf | Nautilus isn't working |
| 04:20.52 | ralf | I apt get removed and reinstalled it. |
| 04:20.53 | raf256 | abrotman: that sucks... sint there any compressor that works compresing huge files chunk-by-chunk? |
| 04:20.55 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 04:20.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 04:21.10 | abrotman | raf256: not that i'm aware |
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| 04:21.17 | ralf | Right right right. I'm gettiing there. |
| 04:21.25 | raf256 | abrotman: would it be usefull? |
| 04:21.26 | ralf | I'm just typeing slowly |
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| 04:21.48 | abrotman | raf256: you don't have enough space for 1GB? |
| 04:21.49 | raf256 | abrotman: I would like finaly to do something usefull for the Community, and programming wrapper around libZ should be harfd |
| 04:22.05 | abrotman | raf256: i'm sure what you're looking for exists .. i just don' tknow it |
| 04:22.11 | raf256 | abrotman: well, _i_ have but my friend dont. what if file would bne like 20 GB? |
| 04:22.18 | abrotman | raf256: but i would think that you could really pipe it to gzip |
| 04:22.33 | abrotman | raf256: you'd use tape of course :) |
| 04:22.45 | kds | abrotman: k2 20337 6.1 3.4 55712 8932 ? Sl 23:10 0:34 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -a oss -d -s 2 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f |
| 04:22.51 | raf256 | raf256: but pip does firts program and then calls second one, or do they work paralelal? |
| 04:22.55 | abrotman | kds: right .. so kill it |
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| 04:23.07 | ralf | I think that the problem is that I am long overdue for an upgrade. But Before I upgrade overnight (It would take hours to complete), I think I should consider switching from unstable to stable. So my question (I think) is: How can I go from unstable to stable? |
| 04:23.09 | abrotman | raf256: i'm not sure .. |
| 04:23.13 | oradude | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.13 | raf256 | abrotman: what would bew the command for that...? tar *.bmp | gzip -1 ? |
| 04:23.18 | bloo1 | what would cause a process to hang forever when writing to /dev/log? |
| 04:23.21 | abrotman | ralf: you can't go backwards |
| 04:23.38 | abrotman | raf256: i'm not 100% .. tar -cf - | gzip .. maybe |
| 04:23.42 | Ashtars_fanclub | plz i do not understand why does modules image use version 2.6.8 of kernel headers as version instead of 2.6.8-k7 |
| 04:23.45 | ralf | abrotman: really? |
| 04:23.50 | abrotman | ralf: really |
| 04:23.56 | lightn | On my Gnome desktop, the debian menu is blank, I just get this little 2x2 pixel thingy, where should I start looking to fix that? |
| 04:24.02 | WiFiTux | abrotman, Theo da raat, what does he do? BSD or debian? |
| 04:24.07 | Little_Dump | in XFree86Config-4 what module do i put Option "Offtime" "5" in? |
| 04:24.16 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: probably because you're compiling a kernel source 2.6.8 instead of 2.6.8-k7 |
| 04:24.24 | abrotman | WiFiTux: OpenBSD |
| 04:24.44 | abrotman | i think it's Theo De Raadt .. not sure though |
| 04:24.49 | JRWR | how do i set GDM to load insed of KDM |
| 04:25.00 | bismark | hello, can some one tell me how to optimize my debian? |
| 04:25.02 | abrotman | /etc/X11/displaymanager maybe? |
| 04:25.08 | abrotman | bismark: why would you want to? |
| 04:25.09 | kds | abrotman: it didn't help. artsd restarted, sound worked for a while and now they are again gone. |
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| 04:25.13 | Ashtars_fanclub | abrotman: i'm in directory /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-k7 and i # make-kpkg modules_image |
| 04:25.27 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: uhm .. you need source |
| 04:25.42 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: ask #alsa maybe .. |
| 04:25.53 | Ashtars_fanclub | no its a debian issue |
| 04:25.55 | Ashtars_fanclub | i think |
| 04:26.08 | bismark | to install debian |
| 04:26.11 | abrotman | not if you're compiling 1.0.8 and 1.0.8 is already in debian |
| 04:26.16 | bismark | optimizing |
| 04:26.20 | Ashtars_fanclub | it's not |
| 04:26.28 | abrotman | bismark: right .. but what do you want to optimize? |
| 04:26.40 | bismark | only things that i will use |
| 04:26.43 | Ashtars_fanclub | tell me how to install 1.0.8 alsa-driver |
| 04:26.51 | abrotman | !info alsa-base sarge |
| 04:26.53 | Ashtars_fanclub | alsa-base doesnt include any driver |
| 04:26.53 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 04:26.57 | Thaiger | How do I setup a loop-aes compatible disk image for AESpipe or does anyone have a better suggestion for having encrypted folders CFS? |
| 04:27.05 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: my alsa is minimal .. i can barely make it work |
| 04:28.06 | ralf | abrotman: In that case, I think that I will try an apt-get upgrade or an apt-get dist upgrade overnight. If you wouldn't mind, I would like to describe the symptoms to you in a little more detail in case you recognize that something easily fixable is wrong or can recommend which (upgrade or dist upgrade_ is appropriate. |
| 04:28.10 | Ashtars_fanclub | you keep refering to alsa-base, i have that and from what i know it seems unlikeley that it with a package size of 107kb includes any drivers |
| 04:28.19 | abrotman | ralf: ok |
| 04:28.30 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: you may be right .. my alsa sucks ... |
| 04:28.51 | ralf | Right now it says: Nautilus can't be used now, due to an unexpected error. |
| 04:28.58 | abrotman | and that's it? |
| 04:29.00 | bloo1 | any idea what would cause su to hang while writing to /dev/log |
| 04:29.01 | ralf | Nautilus can't be used now, due to an ... |
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| 04:29.08 | ralf | no. I'm typing slowly. |
| 04:29.10 | JRWR | how would i got at speeding up my boot time |
| 04:29.20 | abrotman | and that's it?? |
| 04:29.22 | Ashtars_fanclub | I think there is a problem with my kernel headers why does kernel headers 2.6.8-k7 depend on kernel headers 2.6.8? |
| 04:29.23 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 04:29.30 | abrotman | bloo1: log dir is full ? |
| 04:29.47 | ralf | Nautilus can't be used now, due to an unexpected error from Bonobo when attempting to locate the factory.Killing bonobo-activation-server and restarting Nautilus ma help fix the problem. |
| 04:29.53 | ralf | That's it. |
| 04:30.02 | abrotman | ralf: oh .. that sounds lovely ... |
| 04:30.04 | bloo1 | abrotman: /var/log is mounted in / I have a whole 3 gigs free there |
| 04:30.06 | vilefile | what is used to read ext3 partitions from windows ? |
| 04:30.07 | abrotman | ralf: check the BTS |
| 04:30.13 | WiFiTux | abrotman, OpenBSD or FreeBSD? |
| 04:30.13 | ralf | BTS? |
| 04:30.13 | abrotman | bloo1: it was just an idea |
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| 04:30.19 | abrotman | !e2explore |
| 04:30.21 | abrotman | bah |
| 04:30.22 | decklin | bloo1: syslogd running? |
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| 04:30.30 | Xenguy | kill, die |
| 04:30.32 | Xenguy | sputter |
| 04:30.35 | Little_Dump | in XFree86Config-4 what module do i put Option "Offtime" "5" in? |
| 04:30.40 | abrotman | !ext2fs for win95 |
| 04:30.41 | dpkg | hmm... ext2fs for win95 is at http://jnewbigin-pc.it.swin.edu.au/linux.htm |
| 04:30.44 | abrotman | that's sooo not it |
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| 04:30.55 | bloo1 | decklin: yep, it shows up in ps aux |
| 04:30.55 | vilefile | ahh |
| 04:30.57 | JRWR | !ext2fs for win98 |
| 04:31.04 | nicedreams | how do i make firefox let me download a *.sh file instead of displaying it? |
| 04:31.06 | Ashtars_fanclub | Little_Dump; what is Offtime ? |
| 04:31.14 | abrotman | nicedreams: right click on it .. save as |
| 04:31.23 | nicedreams | it's a fileplannet link though |
| 04:31.25 | vilefile | !explore2fs |
| 04:31.25 | dpkg | hmm... explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 04:31.27 | nicedreams | or a redirected link |
| 04:31.29 | decklin | bloo1: could be horked. does it actually have /dev/log open? |
| 04:31.33 | abrotman | yay vilefile |
| 04:31.43 | Little_Dump | Ashtars_fanclub: shuts off the monitor, using DPMS. I got it narrowed down to ServerFlags and ServerLayout |
| 04:31.44 | ralf | abrotman: So do you recocomend an apt-get dist upgrade? |
| 04:31.46 | JRWR | What Time is it? |
| 04:31.51 | bloo1 | decklin: how do I check that out without going root? |
| 04:31.52 | abrotman | ralf: it could fix it |
| 04:31.53 | JRWR | no one is one? |
| 04:32.07 | bismark | i need someone that speak spanish in pv |
| 04:32.08 | vilefile | !ext2ifs |
| 04:32.08 | dpkg | hmm... ext2ifs is a Windows NT driver for reading ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 04:32.15 | abrotman | bismark: /j #debian-es |
| 04:32.16 | decklin | bloo1: don't think you can. |
| 04:32.16 | WiFiTux | bismark, no, para que? |
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| 04:32.17 | abrotman | !es |
| 04:32.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:32.22 | Ashtars_fanclub | yea and that seems alright |
| 04:32.25 | ralf | abrotman: and you have no other suggestions? |
| 04:32.32 | ralf | based on the information I gavve |
| 04:32.33 | abrotman | ralf: i've not seen that error before |
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| 04:32.36 | bismark | abrotman, how? |
| 04:32.40 | abrotman | ralf: but check the bts |
| 04:32.41 | ralf | abrotman: thanks. |
| 04:32.42 | bloo1 | decklin: and once I reboot, I've wiped out any evidence of the problem |
| 04:32.44 | abrotman | bismark: /j #debian-es |
| 04:32.51 | bismark | thanks |
| 04:33.08 | WiFiTux | abrotman, OpenBSD or FreeBSD? |
| 04:33.18 | abrotman | WiFiTux: openbsd |
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| 04:34.05 | nicedreams | abrotman: how can i get it to save the file, i right click and tell it to save and it tries to save a PHP file. I want to download Enemy Territory for Linux, but it keeps displaying the 200meg file instead of letting me download it. |
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| 04:34.34 | abrotman | nicedreams: find somewhere else to get it? |
| 04:34.42 | nicedreams | i've tried 7 servers now from their list |
| 04:34.44 | nicedreams | all the same |
| 04:34.47 | nicedreams | it's annoying |
| 04:34.50 | abrotman | nicedreams: i mean a whole different site |
| 04:34.51 | nicedreams | even in windows it does this |
| 04:34.57 | nicedreams | arg |
| 04:35.02 | nicedreams | i'll use ftp then |
| 04:35.40 | rixth | Hi, I need help with apt-get. When I installed Sarge from CDs (I only got the first 6) I lost all my sources in sources.list. What I need is a couple of FTP/HTTP sources :) |
| 04:35.41 | abrotman | nicedreams: you could try wget .. maybe |
| 04:35.44 | JRWR | how can i set X11 to use gdm> |
| 04:35.50 | abrotman | rixth: apt-setup |
| 04:35.53 | JRWR | and not to use KDM |
| 04:35.59 | abrotman | JRWR: i'm pretty sure i've told you a few times |
| 04:36.07 | JRWR | its not there |
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| 04:36.14 | abrotman | $ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 04:36.14 | abrotman | /usr/bin/gdm |
| 04:36.17 | stew | JRWR: apt-get install gdm xdm- |
| 04:36.19 | abrotman | but that's on sarge |
| 04:36.21 | rixth | Thanks! |
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| 04:36.27 | abrotman | stew: you're alive |
| 04:36.30 | zu22 | yikes what is going with with debian developers? the language is so coarse: http://www.angrydpl.com/ is this representative of most debian developers? :) |
| 04:36.36 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: what is SCALE 3x? |
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| 04:36.55 | stew | abrotman: yeah, just got back from asia, my body is still 8-10 timezones off |
| 04:37.08 | Ashtars_fanclub | when i build modules using make-kpkg modules_image it uses /lib/modules/2.6.8 instead of 2.6.8-k7 to install and as attatched version, why is that i use kernel headers 2.6.8-k7 to build from and it depends on kernel headers 2.6.8 that is also installed |
| 04:37.12 | abrotman | zu22: that's rediculous |
| 04:37.16 | abrotman | stew: lovely |
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| 04:37.26 | abrotman | stew: did you go visit phated too? |
| 04:37.39 | dondelelcaro | zu22: southern california linux expo #3 |
| 04:37.44 | stew | abrotman: no, i went to a wedding in thailand then spent a few days in tokyo |
| 04:38.06 | abrotman | nice |
| 04:38.12 | stew | tokyo rocks |
| 04:38.14 | vcm | somebody had configured zsh completion with wajig? |
| 04:38.54 | zu22 | abrotman: heh |
| 04:39.04 | rixth | I also need help with mounting FAT32 drives, I mount them under root (with rw access for users) but when I go to /mnt/media (not under root) all the icons for files and directories is the Gnome foot :S |
| 04:39.11 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah ok, wish they have linux expo here! |
| 04:39.27 | rixth | When I click on one, nothing happens, when I right click on an icon, it dissapears |
| 04:39.40 | WiFiTux | zu22, where are yo? |
| 04:39.50 | dondelelcaro | zu22: it's daniel silverstone... what did you expect? |
| 04:39.53 | zu22 | stew: tokyo is too damn expensive |
| 04:39.58 | ralf | abrotman: I've never checked the bts before. I went to bugs.debian.org and tried to type the error in one of the fields there, but apparently that's not what you mean. How do I check the bts? |
| 04:40.05 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: :^) |
| 04:40.12 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, it's apparently daniel silverstone) |
| 04:40.14 | zu22 | WiFiTux: pitt, pa |
| 04:40.15 | abrotman | ralf: no ... bugs.debian.org/<packagename> |
| 04:40.21 | abrotman | zu22: you're so close!! |
| 04:40.23 | WiFiTux | ralf, bugs.debian.org/xmms |
| 04:40.41 | zu22 | abrotman: i'll just step into my teleporter! |
| 04:40.48 | abrotman | zu22: i'm outside philly |
| 04:40.49 | WiFiTux | zu22, you are close. FLy! I was planning to go to the OLS and I'm in Costa Rica... |
| 04:40.54 | WiFiTux | abrotman, you going to the OLS? |
| 04:41.00 | zu22 | abrotman: cool |
| 04:41.04 | stew | zu22: i agree. tokyo was expensive, but with the week in thailand i think it all balanced out |
| 04:41.05 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i'm not allowed to go to canada |
| 04:41.14 | zu22 | WiFiTux: well i am kinda broke now so flying is out :) |
| 04:41.14 | WiFiTux | abrotman, hahaha what!? |
| 04:41.20 | stew | abrotman: not allowed? |
| 04:41.27 | abrotman | sorry .. bad joke |
| 04:41.38 | zu22 | stew: did you see any freaky/weird/fun aspects of japanese culture? |
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| 04:41.43 | WiFiTux | abrotman, spit it out now. |
| 04:41.49 | abrotman | i can go to canada |
| 04:41.53 | abrotman | haven't been there in about 10 years |
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| 04:42.02 | stew | zu22: sure. but unfortunately we weren't there on a sunday to go gawk at people at harajuku stn. |
| 04:42.12 | WiFiTux | abrotman, you cheap-o, fly there |
| 04:42.18 | abrotman | i could drive |
| 04:42.28 | WiFiTux | too long!? |
| 04:42.36 | WiFiTux | 12 hours or more |
| 04:42.37 | abrotman | nah .. maybe 7 hours |
| 04:42.38 | zu22 | stew: big black market for DVDs/software there? |
| 04:42.40 | abrotman | not for me |
| 04:43.12 | zu22 | in shanghai you can get anything for << $3 USD |
| 04:43.20 | WiFiTux | abrotman, OK, I guess I can go to PA and then you give me a ride... Canada ticket is $650 and NY ticket is $420 :) |
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| 04:43.30 | JRWR | any one know where i can find TI PCMCIA drives |
| 04:43.31 | abrotman | WiFiTux: sure .. if i were going |
| 04:43.32 | ralf | Before the nautilus error, after loggin on, there is an error as follows: There was an error starting the GNOME settings Daemon. \n\nSome things, such as themes, sounds, or bakground settings may not work correctly.\n\n. The settings daemon restarted too many times.\n\nGNOME will still tr to restart the Settings Daemon next time you log in. |
| 04:43.33 | JRWR | drivers |
| 04:43.46 | WiFiTux | abrotman, :| go... :) |
| 04:43.51 | cthulfuego | JRWR: Yeah, they're in the kernel already. |
| 04:43.57 | abrotman | WiFiTux: when is it? |
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| 04:43.58 | stew | zu22: i didn't see that in tokyo, but saw that bigtime in bangkok. came across a crazy electronics section of town in bangkok where peopel were selling like buckets of ICs and stacks of eprom burners and people were soldering together audio amps on the street. it was like out of a scifi book or something |
| 04:43.59 | ralf | abrotman: Have you seen that error, or do you have a guess as to how to investigate it? I did not see either on the bts page. |
| 04:44.04 | JRWR | it wont pick up my PCMcia modem |
| 04:44.07 | WiFiTux | abrotman, July 20-24 or so |
| 04:44.15 | cthulfuego | JRWR: That's a different issue. |
| 04:44.23 | abrotman | ralf: how did you install gnome? |
| 04:44.25 | rixth | I also need help with mounting FAT32 drives, I mount them under root (with rw access for users) but when I go to /mnt/media (not under root) all the icons for files and directories is the Gnome foot :S When I click on one, nothing happens, when I right click on an icon, it dissapears! |
| 04:44.33 | WiFiTux | abrotman, but could you really give someone a ride? maybe I'm a psyco! |
| 04:44.39 | abrotman | WiFiTux: if i were to go |
| 04:44.43 | JRWR | its a 3Com Megahetz |
| 04:44.45 | cthulfuego | !vfat-rw |
| 04:44.47 | abrotman | WiFiTux: but i'm not sure i'd enjoy OLS |
| 04:44.51 | JRWR | 56k modem |
| 04:44.51 | zu22 | stew: haha wow |
| 04:44.51 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 04:44.51 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 04:45.06 | cthulfuego | JRWR: Is 'pcmcia-cs' installed and running? |
| 04:45.19 | cthulfuego | !magic abrotman |
| 04:45.19 | JRWR | pcmcia mods are |
| 04:45.25 | cthulfuego | JRWR: No, that's not what I asked. |
| 04:45.29 | abrotman | !kiss cthulfuego |
| 04:45.29 | rixth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.30 | JRWR | then no |
| 04:45.37 | WiFiTux | abrotman, I don't think I'm going anyway. Why not enjoy it? |
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| 04:45.48 | JRWR | it was not in the pkg list |
| 04:45.50 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i may have a cohort presenting |
| 04:45.52 | JRWR | or i would of |
| 04:45.53 | cthulfuego | JRWR: There's your problem. cardmgr takes care of all that. Install pcmcia-cs and start it. |
| 04:46.38 | cthulfuego | JRWR: No, apt-get install pcmcia-cs |
| 04:46.54 | ralf | abrotman: Here's the thing: A friend helped me install Debian ages ago. Like I said I am a newbie. I haven't upgraded or updated in a long time (and I think that that is part of the problem). A couple of days ago I uninstalled mozilla and reinstalled it. That solved my problem (which was that the browser, epiphany would not install correctly) But it seems to have broke some applets on the menu bar. I couldn't use the battery di |
| 04:46.55 | abrotman | WiFiTux: actually .. i may have to make a trip to wisconsin ... depending when it is .. i might beable to hit OLS on the way back |
| 04:46.56 | JRWR | <=== no internet on laptop |
| 04:47.09 | ralf | No I can't use Gnome at all. |
| 04:47.10 | cthulfuego | JRWR: How did you install, then? |
| 04:47.12 | abrotman | ralf: then you should definitely upgrade |
| 04:47.16 | JRWR | via cds |
| 04:47.21 | abrotman | ralf: apt-get update;apt-get install gnome |
| 04:47.27 | cthulfuego | JRWR: So install pcmcia-cs off the cd. *duh* |
| 04:47.29 | JRWR | downloaded 3 cds |
| 04:47.35 | JRWR | its not on the cds |
| 04:47.36 | WiFiTux | abrotman, so, when I say, I'm not going, then you are?!! cohort? |
| 04:47.37 | abrotman | ralf: probably about 100MB |
| 04:47.42 | stew | JRWR: pcmcia-cs should be on the first cd |
| 04:47.47 | abrotman | WiFiTux: someone from canada |
| 04:47.47 | JRWR | ill look |
| 04:47.58 | ralf | abrotman: no prolem. |
| 04:48.03 | ralf | How long should that take? |
| 04:48.12 | abrotman | ralf: how fast is your connection? |
| 04:48.21 | cthulfuego | JRWR: Did the installer not ask you to insert the cd's so it could read package lists? |
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| 04:48.31 | rixth | There seems to be no apt-get for gtk, gtk doesn't work |
| 04:48.38 | abrotman | libgtk2.0 |
| 04:48.43 | WiFiTux | abrotman, let me know if you are going. Even if you don't give me a ride. I don't want to consider going and be there like an idiot. |
| 04:48.44 | Drone4four | have any of the members in this Debian community got Valve's HL2 or Steam to work under Linux yet? |
| 04:48.54 | abrotman | WiFiTux: ah .. get work to send you! |
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| 04:49.10 | rixth | abrotman: E: Couldn't find package libgtk2.0 |
| 04:49.12 | abrotman | isn't halflife a windows game? |
| 04:49.17 | gravity | Drone4four: Try cedega |
| 04:49.18 | abrotman | rixth: apt-cache search libgtk |
| 04:49.21 | zu22 | i'm going to my first secon in march: http://cplug.net/conference/ |
| 04:49.29 | abrotman | zu22: someone asked me to go today |
| 04:49.33 | WiFiTux | abrotman, get work to send you? |
| 04:49.33 | Drone4four | gravity, i heard that cedega doesn't work with HL2 |
| 04:49.36 | abrotman | zu22: there's even a DD presenting |
| 04:49.43 | abrotman | WiFiTux: your work .. not mine |
| 04:49.52 | abrotman | zu22: i have lots of friends around harrisburg |
| 04:49.55 | WiFiTux | abrotman, my work, to sponsor my flight? |
| 04:49.57 | zu22 | abrotman: ah cool who is the DD? |
| 04:50.00 | abrotman | WiFiTux: sure |
| 04:50.02 | abrotman | zu22: Troxell |
| 04:50.06 | zu22 | abrotman: first time i've ventured that far east :) |
| 04:50.13 | abrotman | zu22: oh .. that's harsh |
| 04:50.18 | JRWR | onw more thing |
| 04:50.18 | zu22 | abrotman: i'm looking forward to the speakers, esp. marcus |
| 04:50.26 | kreg | i just bought 100 rj-45 ends |
| 04:50.29 | ralf | abrotman: I don't know. It takes me about 30 ms to ping google.com |
| 04:50.35 | WiFiTux | abrotman, hahaha Cisco would never pay anything about that. There is a lot of people there with Linux and BSD, UNIX, but, Is not my area... |
| 04:50.35 | kreg | but the placement inside them for the wires is staggered. ......why???? that makes it near impossible to put them on by hand. |
| 04:50.36 | abrotman | zu22: ah .. they just asked me today .. |
| 04:50.37 | zu22 | abrotman: ya i'm pretty provincial ;) |
| 04:50.41 | JRWR | apt-get whants to load a old pkg that i tryed to install but it failed |
| 04:50.41 | abrotman | ralf: are you on dialup? |
| 04:50.50 | abrotman | zu22: you need to get out more :) |
| 04:50.51 | JRWR | i cant use apt-get |
| 04:50.57 | cthulfuego | abrotman: with 30ms ping times? No way. |
| 04:50.58 | abrotman | zu22: are you really pitt .. or outside? |
| 04:51.02 | JRWR | how do i get rid of this |
| 04:51.03 | gravity | Russell Coker is a DD too |
| 04:51.04 | WiFiTux | abrotman, BTW did you find another... |
| 04:51.06 | zu22 | abrotman: i'm in pitt proper :) |
| 04:51.15 | ralf | abrotman: no. DSL. |
| 04:51.16 | zu22 | abrotman: so u gonna be @ cplug? |
| 04:51.24 | Drone4four | members of #Gentoo are bad mouthing Debian |
| 04:51.25 | abrotman | zu22: my brother owns a house near blvd of allies |
| 04:51.26 | Drone4four | lol |
| 04:51.28 | stew | JRWR: use dpkg -i /path/to/.deb |
| 04:51.30 | ralf | abrotman: Through a wireless router though. I don't know if that is a bottleneck. |
| 04:51.31 | zu22 | abrotman: cool |
| 04:51.34 | abrotman | zu22: maybe .. not sure yet |
| 04:51.38 | JRWR | what deb? |
| 04:51.38 | cthulfuego | Drone4four: That doesn't matter. |
| 04:51.47 | stew | JRWR: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:51.47 | abrotman | ralf: no .. you're fine .. just do it |
| 04:51.55 | JRWR | install pcmcia-cs |
| 04:51.59 | cthulfuego | Drone4four: It's the only joy they'll ever get out of Gentoo, just let them. |
| 04:52.17 | JRWR | but i tryed to install a old deb pkg and it failed and apt-get wont stop loading it |
| 04:52.27 | Drone4four | cthulfuego: i am new to Linux and just like asking questions and trying to listen, lol. |
| 04:52.28 | zu22 | abrotman: go :) |
| 04:52.40 | abrotman | zu22: we'll see ... it's a bit far off i htink |
| 04:52.58 | cthulfuego | Drone4four: Then you're probably not experienced enough yet to know that gentoo is a massive waste of time. |
| 04:53.06 | stew | JRWR: you are getting errors configuring the package? |
| 04:53.06 | Drone4four | lol |
| 04:53.09 | stew | JRWR: apt-get remove it |
| 04:53.10 | zu22 | abrotman: nod |
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| 04:53.27 | cthulfuego | it's probably singlehandely responsible for a couple of hundred tons of greenhouse gases. |
| 04:53.29 | JRWR | so i would do a apt-get remove ltmodem |
| 04:53.29 | ralf | abrotman: It says 22 upgraded, 84 newl installed, 2 to remove and 750 not upgraded. Is 750 a big number not to have upgraded? I feel kinda guilty to tell ou the truth. It's on 27, and that's only taken five minutes, so the whole thing shouldn't take more than 20 |
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| 04:53.49 | abrotman | ralf: yay! |
| 04:53.52 | cthulfuego | JRWR: You don't need tlmodem, no. a 3com pcmcia card is a *REAL* modem. |
| 04:53.57 | abrotman | ralf: you can run a dist-upgrade then |
| 04:54.13 | ralf | abrotman: yay that I feel guilty? |
| 04:54.14 | JRWR | i have interal ltmodem |
| 04:54.33 | stew | JRWR: what is the error you are getting? |
| 04:54.41 | abrotman | ralf: when it's done .. do this `apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade` |
| 04:54.44 | JRWR | but it says it was compiles with version3 and the kernel with 2 |
| 04:54.50 | abrotman | ralf: and will bring your system up to date |
| 04:54.57 | abrotman | and hopefujly not break it all |
| 04:55.16 | ralf | abrotman: The reason that I haven't dist-upgraded is that I have been without network access for so long. Now that I have one in house, I guess it won't be a problem. |
| 04:55.18 | stew | JRWR: sounds like you are trying to install a sarge/sid package on a woody system maybe |
| 04:55.27 | abrotman | ralf: ah .. good deal |
| 04:55.28 | ralf | abrotman: what's the -u for? |
| 04:55.44 | akusarujin | anyone know any good beginner's guides on linux assembly? |
| 04:55.49 | JRWR | E: sub-process returend status error code. (1) |
| 04:55.50 | abrotman | ralf: it will show you waht it is going to upgrade |
| 04:56.09 | JRWR | E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returend status error code. (1) |
| 04:56.15 | jinro | do you guys know what the mkisofs options are that debian uses when making the sparc iso? |
| 04:56.28 | cthulfuego | !tell JRWR -about paster |
| 04:56.28 | stew | JRWR: where did this package come from? |
| 04:56.53 | JRWR | linmodems.org |
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| 04:57.15 | JRWR | it has taken over dpkg |
| 04:57.28 | JRWR | ive tryed dpkg -f install |
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| 04:57.52 | stew | JRWR: sounds like you downloaded a sarge version and you run woody |
| 04:59.03 | JRWR | any way to fix it |
| 04:59.09 | stew | JRWR: apt-get remove it |
| 04:59.15 | abrotman | i gotta say .. i'd be worried going to a conference .. god only knows who i've pissed off :) |
| 04:59.16 | JRWR | cant find it |
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| 04:59.22 | JRWR | it keeps saying that |
| 04:59.36 | abrotman | ah well .. time for bed ... |
| 04:59.59 | stew | JRWR: apt-get remove tlmodem |
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| 05:01.30 | JRWR | ok |
| 05:01.37 | JRWR | got ltmodem removed |
| 05:01.40 | Thaiger | Can anyone help me create an encrypted folder? |
| 05:01.56 | JRWR | but if i try to install pcmcia-cs it says it already there |
| 05:02.16 | JRWR | how do i know if it reads my PCMCIA card as a modem |
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| 05:03.04 | JRWR | .... theres a tag on the back of the card saying "NOVARTIS" |
| 05:03.14 | JRWR | i wonder what it means |
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| 05:04.00 | cprogammer52 | Hello everyone |
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| 05:04.17 | JRWR | how do i know if it reads my PCMCIA card as a modem |
| 05:04.51 | cprogammer52 | Guess what? i offered to take over the Tiny Linux project :) |
| 05:05.48 | draconian | :) |
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| 05:06.01 | JRWR | do you know any thing about PCMCIA card |
| 05:06.26 | stew | JRWR: see if you see anything in cardctl info |
| 05:06.40 | JRWR | whats cardctl? |
| 05:06.40 | stew | JRWR: you might need to modprobe a driver for your card |
| 05:06.43 | draconian | cprogrammer52, check out #arcane sometime |
| 05:06.50 | stew | JRWR: watch /var/log/messages when you insert the card |
| 05:07.00 | JRWR | how would i do that |
| 05:07.04 | stew | JRWR: cardctl is a command in pcmcia-cs |
| 05:07.18 | JRWR | ok ill give it a try |
| 05:07.30 | JRWR | put the card in 1st then give the command |
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| 05:08.12 | stew | JRWR: use tail -f |
| 05:08.36 | hlp_me | what does this mean: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room, E: Error occured while processing util-linux (NewVersion1), E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status, E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 05:08.43 | cthulfuego | !dynamic mmap |
| 05:08.43 | dpkg | hmm... dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 05:08.59 | cthulfuego | hlp_me: basically, you have too many entries in sources.list |
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| 05:09.11 | JRWR | and put the card it |
| 05:09.14 | JRWR | ok |
| 05:09.56 | swollenfinger | is it possible to make a data cd with cdrecord without first using mkisofs? |
| 05:10.19 | swollenfinger | my box doesnt have the room to make the iso... |
| 05:10.19 | cthulfuego | swollenfinger: Sure, use a premade iso. |
| 05:10.28 | stew | swollenfinger: you can pipe the output of mkisofs directly to cdrecord |
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| 05:10.33 | JRWR | ok i did tail -f and put the card in and nothing happend |
| 05:10.42 | cthulfuego | swollenfinger: Oh, you can pipe the data from mkisofs into cdrecord without writing the ISO to disk first. |
| 05:11.02 | stew | swollenfinger: there is an example of this in the cdrecord manpage |
| 05:11.08 | swollenfinger | i have a .zip file that i need to put on a disc, thats it. just a single file. |
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| 05:11.22 | stew | JRWR: you need to give tail the filename, read the tail manpage, and some basic unix tutorials |
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| 05:11.29 | swollenfinger | ok stew ill check on that |
| 05:11.36 | JRWR | oh |
| 05:11.36 | kewlcat | how do i change apt source from CDROM to internet ? |
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| 05:11.42 | JRWR | i forgot |
| 05:11.44 | JRWR | lol |
| 05:12.24 | Thaiger | How do I create an encrypted folder with a loopback device? |
| 05:12.55 | stew | Thaiger: read the cryptoloop howto on tdlp, and know that cryptoloop isn't bulletproof |
| 05:13.48 | chealer | kewlcat: apt-setup |
| 05:14.02 | Thaiger | Is cmkdir from CFS package better? |
| 05:14.22 | cthulfuego | kewlcat: apt-setup |
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| 05:14.34 | JRWR | ok i put the card in there and it does not pick up that i put the card in there |
| 05:14.45 | swollenfinger | stew - is the piping necesary for a single file?? |
| 05:14.45 | kewlcat | chealer thx |
| 05:14.59 | JRWR | and hte BIOS beeps when it does (atlest in feather linux it did) |
| 05:15.07 | JRWR | but its not now |
| 05:15.08 | cthulfuego | swollenfinger: Yes. |
| 05:15.27 | swollenfinger | bloody hell. sounds like buffer underrun territory |
| 05:15.36 | hlp_me | thnx |
| 05:16.21 | stew | swollenfinger: mkisofs is necessary |
| 05:16.54 | JRWR|sleepy | stew: its like the kernel does not even know i have a slot |
| 05:17.14 | stew | JRWR|sleepy: what does cardctl status say? |
| 05:17.58 | JRWR|sleepy | no pcmcia driver in .... |
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| 05:18.15 | jshriver | greetings |
| 05:18.26 | Thaiger | Once I mount a directory with cfssh how do I unmount it? |
| 05:18.31 | jshriver | how do you manually remove a package list from the..er..list? |
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| 05:18.47 | stew | JRWR|sleepy: /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart |
| 05:18.58 | JRWR|sleepy | ? |
| 05:19.03 | JRWR|sleepy | type that? |
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| 05:19.12 | stew | JRWR|sleepy: yes, then try cardctl status again |
| 05:19.13 | jshriver | I keep getting this error |
| 05:19.15 | jshriver | Unable to fetch file, server said '/pub/languages/java/linux/debian/dists/woody/non-free/source/Sources.gz |
| 05:19.35 | jshriver | so figured if I could get rid of the JAVA or non-free part of my dpkg |
| 05:19.50 | jshriver | just forget where debian keeps the apttools conf file... |
| 05:20.07 | jshriver | btw my main experience with apt-tools was w/ Project fink on an OS X box |
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| 05:20.23 | stew | jshriver: /etc/apt/source.list ; or use apt-setup |
| 05:20.31 | jshriver | thanks ^_^ let me try |
| 05:20.56 | jshriver | interesting...command not found |
| 05:20.56 | peterS | jshriver: he means sources.list not source.list |
| 05:21.04 | jshriver | btw I'm actually running Knoppix-install |
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| 05:21.10 | jshriver | but thought it was a debian install |
| 05:21.12 | peterS | jshriver: apt-setup is part of base-config or something like that |
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| 05:21.29 | peterS | and yes, knoppix won't necessarily include the same commands debian does, by default |
| 05:21.55 | jshriver | aye... |
| 05:22.04 | jshriver | well changed the file.. and doing apt-get upgrade now |
| 05:22.15 | jshriver | Knoppix was the only way I could get linux + X11 to work on this crappy box |
| 05:22.24 | jshriver | tried the latest debian.. but i810 is a bitch to setup |
| 05:22.27 | JRWR|sleepy | wow the it is really crappy |
| 05:22.46 | JRWR|sleepy | i have i810 |
| 05:22.49 | JRWR|sleepy | it whent in fine |
| 05:23.04 | jshriver | with the latest Debian? |
| 05:23.09 | JRWR|sleepy | woody |
| 05:23.18 | jshriver | I tried it.. and tried apt-get install WhateverX-i810 |
| 05:23.22 | jshriver | and nothign seemed to ever work |
| 05:23.33 | jshriver | best I ever got was 640x480 256colors |
| 05:23.58 | jshriver | might just be me *shrugs* |
| 05:24.00 | Xemacs_ | jshriver, i am running i810, i had no problems with sarge netinst |
| 05:24.02 | jshriver | this is only a temp box |
| 05:24.05 | jshriver | sarge? |
| 05:24.17 | Xemacs_ | testing |
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| 05:24.36 | jshriver | I'm kinda new to debian... main reason I choose this over Slackware or RH, was because I fell in love with the apt-tools while using OS X... |
| 05:24.56 | jshriver | hrm.. I should try downloading those ISO... are there any? |
| 05:25.01 | jshriver | or a netinstall mini-CD? |
| 05:25.02 | vordul | jshriver - Fedora does have apt. |
| 05:25.08 | jshriver | really? hehe |
| 05:25.12 | stew | jshriver: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 05:25.28 | jshriver | I used RH years ago.. before I bought my Mac... and I was getting tired of rpm and chasing down dependancies... |
| 05:25.52 | jshriver | I love apttools so much because all you have to do is apt-cache search name, apt-get install name.. |
| 05:25.58 | jshriver | voila.. everything is downloaded and installed |
| 05:26.08 | jshriver | no more dep, or dep of dep of dep of dep chasing |
| 05:26.20 | jshriver | or maybe I'm outta touch with Linux... it's been 4 years |
| 05:26.22 | vordul | jshriver - Fedora not only has yum, but you can also install apt as well :P |
| 05:26.27 | jshriver | nice |
| 05:26.28 | jshriver | hehe |
| 05:26.48 | vordul | So if you were staying away from it because of that, well, it's there :P |
| 05:27.09 | jshriver | hehe... |
| 05:27.15 | jshriver | na not just that... |
| 05:27.28 | jshriver | I love the PPC arch... but my Mac died yesterday... MB crapped out |
| 05:27.36 | jshriver | so using a box a friend gave me... and installed linux on it |
| 05:27.43 | jshriver | I used linux from 1995-2001 |
| 05:27.55 | swollenfinger | wow this is gonna take some friggin time... |
| 05:27.58 | jshriver | honestly I'm really amazed at how well it has progressed over the past 3-4 years |
| 05:28.11 | jshriver | KDE and Gnome look really nice.. though I still think WindowMaker is nice |
| 05:28.48 | jshriver | brb |
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| 05:30.07 | doublehp | what can I use to export ps into eps ? karbon does not recognize a pdf gv can show ... |
| 05:30.25 | doublehp | what can I use to export ps into eps ? karbon does not recognize a .PS gv can show ... |
| 05:30.33 | mwilson | eps IS ps |
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| 05:30.57 | mwilson | by definition |
| 05:31.01 | swollenfinger | theres gotta be a faster way than this. you telling me you burn at 2x stew? |
| 05:31.02 | dondelelcaro | with a bounding box, typically |
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| 05:32.42 | doublehp | mwilson: file ttt.eps |
| 05:32.42 | doublehp | ttt.eps: PostScript document text conforming at level 2.0 - type EPS |
| 05:32.48 | doublehp | $ file project_proposal.ps |
| 05:32.48 | doublehp | project_proposal.ps: PostScript document text conforming at level 3.0 |
| 05:32.56 | mwilson | Yes, and...? |
| 05:33.14 | doublehp | how do I export the project proposal into real EPS ? |
| 05:33.14 | terrapen | can somebody point me to a doc to get exim working in a smarthost setup under Debian? i've been running exim since 1997 but i can't figure out (for the life of me) how to get it running in Debian |
| 05:33.34 | terrapen | and i already tried the Debian docs. |
| 05:33.53 | doublehp | terrapen: dpkg-reconfigure exim |
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| 05:34.01 | doublehp | terrapen: dpkg-reconfigure exim-config |
| 05:34.09 | doublehp | or eximconfig ... I forgot |
| 05:34.32 | mwilson | doublehp: Why would you want to turn a regular PS document into EPS? That's silly. |
| 05:34.48 | terrapen | yeah, the docs say eximconfig but there is no such beast :) |
| 05:34.56 | terrapen | dpkg-reconfigure exim4 seems to be working |
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| 05:35.24 | bloom | I figured out what was causing password prompts to lock up: it was a bug in sysklogd |
| 05:35.27 | doublehp | mwilson: to backport it for old tools |
| 05:35.54 | terrapen | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config did the trip |
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| 05:36.03 | terrapen | how can i get the Debian docs updated to reflect this |
| 05:36.11 | terrapen | there is no mention of mail in the Install document |
| 05:36.22 | terrapen | (though it does mention how to get PPP, X11, etc., working) |
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| 05:36.32 | JRWR|sleepy | stew you there |
| 05:36.34 | doublehp | terrapen: no, try : dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 05:36.40 | doublehp | k |
| 05:36.47 | terrapen | that worked. |
| 05:36.53 | terrapen | but i want to get the docs corrected :) |
| 05:37.05 | terrapen | what good is helping me out if you have to help out every other Debian n00b. :) |
| 05:37.06 | doublehp | terrapen: which docs ? |
| 05:37.12 | terrapen | Debian's installation manual |
| 05:37.34 | stew | JRWR|sleepy: yes? |
| 05:37.39 | terrapen | it really needs a quick-and-simple guide to getting Exim running. IOW, just point peoplt to 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' |
| 05:37.44 | JRWR|sleepy | stew |
| 05:37.44 | terrapen | which is completely non-obvious |
| 05:37.57 | JRWR|sleepy | i did the commnad you siad it it gave me a error |
| 05:37.57 | doublehp | terrapen: exim-doc-html - Exim MTA html documentation | exim4-doc-html - documentation for Exim v4 in html format | exim4-doc-info - documentation for Exim v4 in info format ? |
| 05:38.24 | terrapen | if that's the docs from the Exim project, that's not what is needed |
| 05:38.48 | terrapen | what's needed is a small section on mail here: |
| 05:38.50 | terrapen | \http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install |
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| 05:39.29 | terrapen | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.30 | terrapen | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 05:39.39 | Thaiger | How do I unmount an nfs volume? |
| 05:39.45 | JRWR|sleepy | stew|/lib/modules/2.4.218/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module: Operation not permitted |
| 05:39.57 | stew | JRWR|sleepy: you need to be root |
| 05:40.01 | JRWR|sleepy | i am |
| 05:40.06 | terrapen | this page is quite inaccurate: |
| 05:40.07 | terrapen | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-mta |
| 05:40.29 | JRWR|sleepy | im in root and non of the su crap |
| 05:40.41 | Feiten | Does anybody knows about a good shell scriping page? |
| 05:40.54 | terrapen | jrwr: % umount /mountpoint |
| 05:41.01 | kingsley_ | Feiten: #bash |
| 05:41.06 | terrapen | rerrr |
| 05:41.07 | terrapen | sorry |
| 05:41.10 | JRWR|sleepy | with the % |
| 05:41.11 | terrapen | that was for thaiger |
| 05:41.18 | JRWR|sleepy | oh |
| 05:42.00 | Thaiger | terrapen, thanks |
| 05:42.10 | vkd | Has anyone gotten hostapd working with a madwifi driver? If so, do you mind sharing your config file? |
| 05:42.39 | terrapen | sigh |
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| 05:42.45 | stew | vkd: you might wanna ask in #wireless |
| 05:43.08 | vkd | stew, ah, Ok, thanks, tried #madwifi but everyone there seems out |
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| 05:45.12 | JRWR|sleepy | why is it saying that |
| 05:45.34 | ralf | I got an error saying that I have the wrong permission for /dev/pmu. |
| 05:45.41 | ralf | Can anyone suggest? |
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| 05:46.30 | DaPhatty | did you log in as root? |
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| 05:46.39 | ralf | no. |
| 05:46.54 | DaPhatty | try su and then enter the password |
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| 05:47.55 | supremo_zeus | i have gmail invitation... how want ?? |
| 05:48.11 | JRWR|sleepy | ill take a gmail |
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| 05:48.35 | supremo_zeus | you mail?? |
| 05:48.42 | JRWR|sleepy | ? |
| 05:48.43 | supremo_zeus | your mail ?? |
| 05:48.43 | rob_squared | i just send them to people who i don't want them, because they give so many at once |
| 05:49.56 | supremo_zeus | i need help with pgaccess |
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| 05:54.04 | JRWR|sleepy | why is ot saying this || /lib/modules/2.4.218/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module: Operation not permitted |
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| 05:54.52 | Smurg | Is it Safe to write to NTFS with linux/ |
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| 05:58.35 | beth | sleepdancing? |
| 05:58.42 | JRWR|sleepy | lol |
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| 05:58.55 | JRWR|sleepy | its a school nigth and its 12am |
| 05:59.46 | JRWR|sleepy | well i goto go |
| 05:59.48 | pook | I am having some difficulty with alsa, i've done everything that has been suggested to me, but it still produces no sound...there's gotta be something i'm missing |
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| 06:02.09 | Thaiger | Can anyone help me with CFS? |
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| 06:02.24 | cat | Thaiger ask, |
| 06:02.45 | kreg | dpkg-reconfigure dpkg. was hoping this would prompt me for a new list of sources to choose from for apt. |
| 06:02.51 | kreg | anyone know what i mean? |
| 06:03.03 | cat | kreg apt-setup |
| 06:03.08 | cat | as root |
| 06:03.12 | kreg | thank you |
| 06:03.18 | cat | np |
| 06:03.46 | Smurg | dpkg reconfigure dpkg :D |
| 06:03.47 | dpkg | Smurg: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 06:03.48 | Thaiger | Well I created a directory cmkdir and connected to it before using cfssh, but it seems like cattach is how I'm supposed to do it. I can do a cattach ~/crypto myfiles but I can't find a /var/cfs/myfiles |
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| 06:05.12 | foxbat | how do I tell if I'm running sid/sarge/woody? |
| 06:05.22 | cat | foxbat open you'r /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:05.24 | cat | with nano |
| 06:05.33 | cat | and see if it say stable unstable or etc. |
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| 06:05.45 | foxbat | so... stable=sarge? |
| 06:05.49 | cthulfuego | foxbat: no |
| 06:05.54 | foxbat | stable=woody? |
| 06:05.54 | cthulfuego | foxbat: stable = woody |
| 06:05.56 | foxbat | ok |
| 06:06.11 | foxbat | and woody is generally considered ancient |
| 06:06.28 | foxbat | testing=sarge? |
| 06:06.30 | cthulfuego | No, it's generally considered stable. |
| 06:06.31 | cat | testing is sarge and unstable is sid |
| 06:06.37 | foxbat | ok |
| 06:06.54 | Smurg | foxbat : But Sarge is better |
| 06:06.58 | cthulfuego | If you want to run a server, use woody. For a desktop, use sarge. |
| 06:07.16 | cat | sarge is not out yet, |
| 06:07.17 | cthulfuego | foxbat: As opposed to what Smurg said, sarge isn't better. it has no security updates. |
| 06:07.19 | foxbat | I'm running a database server, and woody uses postgres 7.2.1 which is ancient |
| 06:07.28 | foxbat | sarge has no security updates? |
| 06:07.32 | cthulfuego | foxbat: No. |
| 06:07.33 | benjamindees | stable could also be potato or others too though |
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| 06:08.03 | cthulfuego | benjamindees: No, anything before potato wouldn't get many (if any) security updates either. |
| 06:08.09 | foxbat | well, I need a more recent postgres, so my choices are either built it myself on the woody base, or upgrade to sarge and use the package |
| 06:08.28 | cthulfuego | foxbat: You could backport a newer pgsql to woody, but then you'll need to re-do that each time a new pgsql is released. |
| 06:08.42 | benjamindees | cthulfuego, I'm saying if you're trying to identify an OS, "stable" doesn't tell you much |
| 06:08.45 | foxbat | cthulfuego: yeah.... there's already a backported .deb |
| 06:08.46 | ironflippy | how do i log out of X? is it the same as just logging out? |
| 06:08.51 | cthulfuego | foxbat: Sarge will be stable soon enough, just run a manual backport on woody until then. |
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| 06:09.25 | foxbat | cthulfuego: thanks for the advice |
| 06:09.31 | cat | ironflippy startx ? |
| 06:09.32 | cat | or gdm? |
| 06:09.33 | cthulfuego | benjamindees: If it points at 'stable', it's woody currently. Even if it originally was a potato install. |
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| 06:09.43 | benjamindees | http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/stable/postgresql/binary-i386/ |
| 06:09.56 | foxbat | I love debian, and run it on 10 or so of our school's servers, but this stable/unstable/testing sid/sarge/woody crap makes my head spin |
| 06:10.00 | benjamindees | cthulfuego, good point |
| 06:10.05 | foxbat | benjamindees: thanks |
| 06:10.10 | cat | foxbat who doesn't i've started it since potato came out |
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| 06:10.37 | ironflippy | cat: what does gdm do? |
| 06:10.47 | cat | is the gnome display manager, |
| 06:10.50 | cthulfuego | !info gdm |
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| 06:11.03 | dpkg | gdm: (GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2974 kB, Installed size: 9316 kB |
| 06:11.10 | cg0def | I am trying to use a flashcard reader and it gets recognized and is listed in lsusb but the device does not get created |
| 06:11.18 | foxbat | cthulfuego: thanks again |
| 06:11.19 | foxbat | good night |
| 06:11.27 | cat | cg0def does it work? |
| 06:11.38 | cthulfuego | cg0def: It will be /dev/ub* under 2.6 with udev or /dev/sdX otherwise. |
| 06:11.42 | cg0def | it does work on other machines |
| 06:11.44 | cg0def | but not here |
| 06:11.49 | cat | ok, |
| 06:12.00 | cat | read what cthulfuego said, |
| 06:12.07 | cg0def | like I said udev does not create a dev for it and I don't know why |
| 06:12.18 | cthulfuego | cg0def: missing usb-storage ? |
| 06:12.26 | ironflippy | running startx gives me an error |
| 06:12.30 | cg0def | yeah I know that the sda changed to usb in 2.6 |
| 06:12.37 | cat | ironflippy which? |
| 06:12.49 | cat | cg0def put modconf |
| 06:12.50 | cg0def | cthulfuego: that might be let me check |
| 06:12.52 | cthulfuego | cat: You gotta guess, I think. |
| 06:12.53 | cat | and put the drivers, |
| 06:12.59 | cat | ;P cthulfuego |
| 06:13.08 | ironflippy | server error |
| 06:13.15 | ProtoX29A | hi |
| 06:13.23 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: Well, you can do two things. |
| 06:13.49 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: 1) Don't run 'startx' or 2) Paste the entire error to the paste bot (/msg dpkg paster) |
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| 06:14.12 | ProtoX29A | i try to remove the totd-package, but when i confirm it will only reinstall itself and ask me for its configuration |
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| 06:14.47 | cg0def | I am using the debian kernel btw so I am not really sure what the kernel config is |
| 06:14.47 | ironflippy | cat no. 3 |
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| 06:15.03 | cg0def | cthulfuego: does the debian kernel include the usb-storage drivers? |
| 06:15.15 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: Paste the contents of ~/.xsession-errors to the pastebot. |
| 06:15.20 | cthulfuego | cg0def: it should, yes. |
| 06:15.24 | ProtoX29A | why cant i remove it? |
| 06:15.44 | cg0def | well then I already have them and that's not the problem |
| 06:15.58 | cthulfuego | cg0def: Are they getting loaded, though? |
| 06:16.08 | ironflippy | /msg dpkg debian:~# startx |
| 06:16.08 | ironflippy | Using authority file /root/.Xauthority |
| 06:16.09 | ironflippy | Writing authority file /root/.Xauthority |
| 06:16.09 | ironflippy | Using authority file /root/.Xauthority |
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| 06:16.21 | cthulfuego | god help us |
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| 06:16.38 | ironflippy | oops |
| 06:16.40 | ironflippy | sorry |
| 06:16.43 | ProtoX29A | just curious, can anyone read me? |
| 06:16.45 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: DO NOT PASTE HERE |
| 06:16.48 | cthulfuego | ProtoX29A: No |
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| 06:16.56 | ProtoX29A | cthulfuego: damn |
| 06:17.07 | ironflippy | i know, i screwed up |
| 06:17.11 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 06:17.19 | ironflippy | it's 1 in the morning here |
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| 06:17.23 | cg0def | cthulfuego: oop, nope they were not loaded |
| 06:17.33 | cat | damn connection |
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| 06:18.12 | cthulfuego | cg0def: Probably don't have 'discover1' or 'hotplug' running, then. |
| 06:18.21 | paster | "ironflippy" at 129.63.57.45 pasted "startx error" (24 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/253 |
| 06:18.37 | cat | ironflippy pasted it on #flood |
| 06:19.18 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: See what it says? "Server is already active for display 0. If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again. |
| 06:19.42 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: Hit ctrl-alt-F7 and see if you find an X display. |
| 06:20.48 | cg0def | cthulfuego: well actually the device is still not created and I plugged and unpluged the reader a couple of times |
| 06:21.03 | cat | cg0def create the directory ur self, |
| 06:21.04 | cg0def | cthulfuego: I don't think I have discover1 though, let me check |
| 06:21.09 | cat | and see if it works, |
| 06:21.16 | ironflippy | cthulfuego: ctrl-alt-F7 didn't do anything |
| 06:21.28 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: Ok. Delete /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 06:21.33 | cg0def | cat: a directory? you mean a device |
| 06:21.41 | cat | ok true ;P |
| 06:21.43 | Smurg | How do I give access to the sound device to users from root ? |
| 06:21.49 | kingsley_ | Which file or files list all usenet newsgroups? |
| 06:21.52 | cat | adduser username audio |
| 06:21.57 | cthulfuego | Smurg: Add the users to the 'audio' group. |
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| 06:22.53 | cat | cthulfuego i'm american i'm just a little drunk; that's why |
| 06:22.59 | cg0def | cthulfuego: is discover supposed to run at boot up? |
| 06:23.04 | cthulfuego | cg0def: yep |
| 06:23.13 | cat | cg0def yes, |
| 06:23.15 | cthulfuego | cg0def: it should load all usb subsystem mods etc. |
| 06:23.24 | mwilson | kingsley_: No files do. |
| 06:23.25 | cthulfuego | (ANY subsystem mods, actually) |
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| 06:24.40 | ironflippy | cthulfuego: ok, now when i startx, it loads gnome on top of kde |
| 06:24.50 | mwilson | Unlikely. |
| 06:24.50 | ironflippy | opposite of what i want |
| 06:24.52 | cat | ironflippy configured it, |
| 06:25.05 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: That's a matter of fixing your .xsession file and makeing it start one OR the other. |
| 06:25.28 | ironflippy | cthulfuego: well, i want to get out of both |
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| 06:25.40 | ironflippy | cthulfuego: that was my original question |
| 06:25.45 | cg0def | yeah discover was added to rcS.d and I reran it and still nothing |
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| 06:25.51 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: Which wm do you want to be running then? |
| 06:25.52 | cg0def | same for hotplug |
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| 06:26.29 | boukensya | hey guys.. I want to run azureus on my non-gui server and control it with a web plugin.. anyone know how to do this? |
| 06:26.31 | ironflippy | well, i want to log out of the x wm to install oss |
| 06:26.51 | ironflippy | cthulfuego: i'm a n00b |
| 06:26.53 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: Uh, don't run startx and you won't BE in X. |
| 06:26.57 | mwilson | ironflippy: Why? What does the one have to do with the other? |
| 06:27.31 | rw | I working with a program that probably messed my Xsession. When I try to enter X (using startx) it goes in and then out. If I enter something in $HOME/.xinitrc it goes alright. I was thinking about re-building the files related to Xsession*. Ideas or suggestions? |
| 06:28.01 | ironflippy | mwilson: oss wasn't installing properly |
| 06:28.09 | cg0def | I don't know much about udev but maybe there is a rule missing from the config and that's why the flash card doesn't get mounted? |
| 06:28.11 | cat | rw so what's the metter with Xsession |
| 06:28.33 | ironflippy | cthulfuego: i never ran startx to begin with |
| 06:28.50 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: You just told us you did :-P |
| 06:28.52 | ironflippy | cthulfuego: you told me to |
| 06:29.01 | rw | cat, when I checked it was modified and there was a backup, so I moved the backup to the original file. But when startx'ing no deal... |
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| 06:29.23 | rw | cat, also the /etc/X11/Xsession.d might be messed too... |
| 06:29.28 | cthulfuego | [17:15] <ironflippy> running startx gives me an error |
| 06:29.41 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: That's what you said. |
| 06:29.49 | cat | rw did it give u an error, |
| 06:29.50 | ironflippy | cthulfuego: sorry, i think it was cat who told me to run it |
| 06:29.55 | rw | cat, right now im in x because i echo "/usr/bin/gnome-session" > $HOME/.xinitrc |
| 06:30.11 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: So, you don't want X to start when you boot up? Or do you just want a console so you can run stuff? |
| 06:30.15 | rw | cat, that's the biggest problem. No errors. Only one weird. Related to XKB |
| 06:30.24 | ironflippy | cthulfuego: just a console |
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| 06:30.29 | boukensya | is there a way to open azureus without opening the gui? |
| 06:30.39 | ironflippy | cthulfuego: am i thinking too hard about this? |
| 06:30.48 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: Ok, when X runs, hit ctrl-alt-F1 to switch to a console. You can switch back to X by hitting ctrl-alt-F7 |
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| 06:31.02 | ironflippy | ok |
| 06:31.13 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: There's no problem running X (or multiple X instances) on a non-active consile. |
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| 06:31.40 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: By default, you have alt-F1 through alt-F6 for console and F7 for X. |
| 06:31.52 | cthulfuego | ironflippy: You can switch between all of those at ANY time. |
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| 06:32.23 | rw | cat, but if works with .xinitrc, should work the other way, and since Xsession is what does the stuff, the error is probably there. Right? |
| 06:32.50 | cat | right, |
| 06:32.51 | cat | check it |
| 06:33.03 | rw | cat, how can I re-install those files again? |
| 06:33.04 | cat | check /var/log two |
| 06:33.14 | cat | rw which files? |
| 06:33.17 | rw | no erros in /var/log/XFre* |
| 06:33.24 | rw | cat, Xsession* |
| 06:33.33 | boukensya | quit |
| 06:33.37 | boukensya | .quit |
| 06:33.46 | rw | no errors in $HOME/.xsession-errors too. |
| 06:33.50 | rw | no errors at all. |
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| 06:33.57 | cat | rw put this apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:34.01 | cat | or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:34.17 | cthulfuego | cat: That won't affect Xsession at all. |
| 06:34.31 | rw | yeah, i did this, no deal... |
| 06:34.42 | rw | i think i need some kind of reinstall |
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| 06:34.55 | cthulfuego | rw: I'm pretty sure those files are in xfree86-common |
| 06:34.56 | drac | rw, apt-get --reinstall install x-window-system (just a guess..) |
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| 06:34.59 | cat | rw try using the ... gdm |
| 06:35.03 | rw | cthulfuego, true! |
| 06:35.08 | Caimlas | I'm currently running debian sarge, but I still have exim 3.36 from woody. would I have any configuration concerns I'd have to take into account if I were to try upgrading to exim4? |
| 06:35.15 | cthulfuego | rw: Delete the files first, then use dpkg -i --force-confmiss |
| 06:35.25 | cat | Caimlas apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:35.30 | cat | it will upgrade you'r system |
| 06:35.43 | Caimlas | cat: right, i'm aware of how to do it. i'm just wondering if there are any significant config issues. |
| 06:35.47 | rw | cthulfuego, this will check for missing files and re-install them? |
| 06:35.52 | cthulfuego | rw: yes |
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| 06:35.58 | rw | intersting command! thanks |
| 06:36.02 | cthulfuego | rw: Including, but not limited to config files. |
| 06:36.17 | shastry | what is the package that provides the kernel soources ? |
| 06:36.21 | cthulfuego | rw: Oh, that's "dpkg -i --force-confmiss /path/to/xfree86-commob_foo.deb |
| 06:36.29 | cat | Caimlas not really, |
| 06:36.30 | cthulfuego | shastry: kernel-source-foo |
| 06:36.35 | Caimlas | cat: I don't suppose you happen to know if exim4 has secure authorization for clients (whereas exim3 needs tls) built in? that's what I'm trying to get |
| 06:36.43 | shastry | ah thnx cthulfuego |
| 06:36.47 | cat | oh ok, |
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| 06:37.40 | rw | cthulfuego, hmm, ok, is there a way to download it with apt-get? |
| 06:37.55 | calyth | Why is it that when I ask .bashrc to source .bash_profile, it just don't stop? |
| 06:38.14 | cthulfuego | rw: Just use lynx or wget |
| 06:38.15 | rw | -d |
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| 06:38.36 | cthulfuego | calyth: Does .bash_profile source .bashrc? |
| 06:38.47 | calyth | cthulfuego: don't think so |
| 06:38.55 | cthulfuego | calyth: So you're not certain? |
| 06:39.05 | calyth | going to double check right now |
| 06:39.37 | calyth | cthulfuego: thanks! *embarassed* |
| 06:39.46 | cthulfuego | !slap calyth |
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| 06:40.58 | calyth | cthulfuego: is there a way to test for non-interactiveness? |
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| 06:42.57 | rixth | Installing the Kernel Headers, I get 'Couldn't create the /usr/src/linux symlink!' What now? |
| 06:43.07 | cthulfuego | calyth: Yes. |
| 06:43.43 | cthulfuego | calyth: Set an env var in .bashrc. That will be souced only in interactive shells. ergo, if the var is NOT set, the shell is not interactive. |
| 06:44.16 | ProtoX291 | re |
| 06:44.22 | calyth | cthulfuego: ok cool |
| 06:44.37 | cthulfuego | calyth: Like export SOURCED=1 in .bashrc and then if [ ! $SOURCED ]; then . .bashrc; fi |
| 06:44.49 | nvz | if I am using strict host checking, and I know I just changed the host key on a box, what is the smart thing to do to avoid being warned here? |
| 06:44.57 | nvz | ssh btw |
| 06:45.03 | cthulfuego | calyth: Basically a simple loop breaker by setting a flag within the loop. |
| 06:45.04 | nvz | forgot to mention |
| 06:45.05 | calyth | cthulfuego: thanks for the bash help! |
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| 06:48.26 | rixth | Haha |
| 06:48.29 | rw | cthulfuego, i will try and then i'll come back. |
| 06:48.41 | rw | drac, thanks too :D |
| 06:48.45 | rw | cat, thanks ;D |
| 06:48.52 | rw | brb |
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| 06:50.39 | swollenfinger | md5su |
| 06:50.42 | swollenfinger | oops |
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| 06:56.52 | Charms | Was wondering if someone can help me. I have a woody install of Linux on my box, and I foolishly changed my sourceslist to download some sarge packages for woody, to use some newer programs that weren't available in stable. When i switched back to stable, and tried to install xfce4 however, i am now unable to get the libgtk2.0-dev package to install. |
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| 06:57.08 | Charms | When I try, it says it conflicts with libgtk2.0-bin, and wheni remove that, it continues to complain, saying it needs it at the same time. |
| 06:57.19 | Charms | Is there any option i can pursue other than upgrading to sarge or reinstalling the system? |
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| 06:58.03 | rw | no deal :( same problem. |
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| 06:58.39 | rw | the error i was talking about that is only outputed in the TTY is: The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > Warning: Type ONE_LEVEL has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server. |
| 06:59.18 | Charms | So i'm out of luck? |
| 06:59.42 | s3itz | heh |
| 06:59.51 | rw | looks like there are open bugs for this. |
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| 07:00.42 | s3itz | I can share one... having an incorrect revision #, not being able to upgrade libc6 because of this... while having broken packages until I do so... but also because of this, not being able to download new kernel sources from apt |
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| 07:02.34 | carrett | ok. dpkg won't talk to my nick, i've tried two different clients. (he will talk to other nicks on both). did i offend dpkg? |
| 07:02.45 | Charms | and start from scratch. Oh what fun.. |
| 07:02.57 | Charms | don't make my mistake.. never switch sources =( |
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| 07:05.56 | cthulfuego | carrett: Yes. |
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| 07:06.20 | swollenfinger | is it possible to extract a zip file to a pipe to mkisofs to cdrecord? |
| 07:06.21 | carrett | cthulfuego: well, is there any way i can get off dpkg's shitlist? |
| 07:06.22 | trappix04 | When compiling software on a dual-cpu machine running an SMP kernel, is it normal for GCC to throttle 1 cpu at a time when compiling? |
| 07:06.29 | cthulfuego | swollenfinger: yes |
| 07:06.40 | swollenfinger | score |
| 07:06.57 | cthulfuego | trappix04: That's the default behaviour unless you specify '-jNCPU+1' yes |
| 07:07.11 | cthulfuego | carrett: Time |
| 07:07.20 | trappix04 | is that a compile time option? |
| 07:07.27 | cthulfuego | trappix04: 'make -j3' |
| 07:07.27 | carrett | ugh. |
| 07:07.46 | cthulfuego | trappix04: You specify it on the command line when you compile. |
| 07:07.57 | cthulfuego | trappix04: (the software, not make) |
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| 07:08.27 | scorpi0n | hello |
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| 07:08.44 | cthulfuego | trappix04: Keep in mind that some makefiles are broken and don't work with multiple concurrent gcc's working on them. |
| 07:08.45 | trappix04 | so its as simply as running "./configure $$ make -j3" |
| 07:08.53 | scorpi0n | how can i install apps from upstream source |
| 07:08.58 | cthulfuego | trappix04: Well, && instead of $$, but yes. |
| 07:09.03 | trappix04 | :) yes |
| 07:09.10 | trappix04 | thankyou much |
| 07:09.24 | cthulfuego | trappix04: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local actually |
| 07:09.37 | cthulfuego | trappix04: Don't overwrite debian files with manually installed ones. |
| 07:09.55 | scorpi0n | ? |
| 07:09.58 | kewlcat | how do i switch from default 2.2 kernel to 2.4 kernel ? |
| 07:10.09 | s3itz | carefully |
| 07:10.13 | cthulfuego | kewlcat: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 ; pick one, install it. |
| 07:10.22 | kewlcat | cthulduego oh thx |
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| 07:10.53 | cthulfuego | kewlcat: And be sure to READ and UNDERSTAND any text the install displays. |
| 07:11.02 | kewlcat | cthulduego oh i see |
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| 07:14.51 | rw | Is there anything else that runs after Xsession |
| 07:14.53 | rw | ? |
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| 07:15.20 | carrett | rw: no, once it's done X ends |
| 07:15.30 | carrett | (if you're using startx) |
| 07:15.37 | dabreegster | Hey. I got an AMD 500Mhz PC today. The guy who built it for me was nice enough to stick Xandros on there. My friend and I stuck Sarge packages on there, which essentially killed it. What I'm gunna do is just start over with Sarge. I've got a HD in this machine w/ Sarge and an i386 kernel. Would I be able to swop drives? |
| 07:15.38 | rw | yes i am... |
| 07:15.46 | carrett | rw: well, there you go |
| 07:16.00 | dabreegster | I realize I'd have to do a kernel recompile, but could I swop drives, boot, and expect it to work enough for me to grab a kernel? |
| 07:16.01 | carrett | rw: as soon as everything in ~/.xsession is done your x session ends |
| 07:16.03 | cthulfuego | dabreegster: Should work, yes. |
| 07:16.21 | dabreegster | cthulfuego: really? kernel for a P1 swopped over to an AMD would work? |
| 07:16.45 | rw | carrett, the last part of Xsession is the run-parts for Xsession.d, I tried to debug to see where it was reaching, and it`s not reaching after it, so i commented everything and it still leaving X. |
| 07:17.00 | cthulfuego | dabreegster: Yes |
| 07:17.05 | dabreegster | cool cthulfuego |
| 07:17.06 | rw | carrett, my $HOME/.xsession is empty, is this a problem? |
| 07:17.12 | cthulfuego | dabreegster: in theory a P2 kernel would work, too. |
| 07:17.25 | carrett | rw: no, but it'd make it easier to debug if you used ~/.xsession |
| 07:17.28 | dabreegster | ok. cool, that'll save me a heckload of trouble |
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| 07:17.40 | carrett | rw: just put something like "twm" in your .xsession |
| 07:17.46 | carrett | (~/.xsession) |
| 07:18.04 | carrett | rw: also, check the error log (/var/log/Xfree or something like that) |
| 07:18.13 | carrett | rw: it may be you have a faulty X setup |
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| 07:19.04 | cat | !tell root about root |
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| 07:19.07 | rw | carrett, everything was perfect, I worked a little bit with Xvnc and it probably messed around my files, now i can only get it setting .xinitrc. Let me try putting gnome-session inside .xsession. |
| 07:19.30 | carrett | rw: no &s! |
| 07:19.31 | rw | carrett, if gnome is my default session, i should`t need a $HOME/.xsession right? |
| 07:19.49 | carrett | rw: uhm...what do you mean your default session? |
| 07:20.08 | s3itz | the session manager I assume |
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| 07:20.16 | carrett | s3itz: what's that? |
| 07:20.25 | rw | carrett, my /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
| 07:20.42 | s3itz | ya, and high level above that is gnome's session manager |
| 07:20.46 | s3itz | while that's running, so will X |
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| 07:21.35 | swollenfinger | cthulfuego - thx for the help |
| 07:21.35 | carrett | s3itz: .xsession would override that right? |
| 07:21.35 | swollenfinger | night all |
| 07:21.35 | s3itz | should |
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| 07:21.35 | carrett | s3itz, if he's using startx |
| 07:21.35 | rw | setting $HOME/.xsession works. But I think I should`t need it, right? |
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| 07:21.35 | dabreegster | If I do just start over from scratch, what architecture would I be? I'm running an AMD 500Mhz. I think my friend said I'd be "k6" |
| 07:21.36 | s3itz | .xsession is looked for first before the scripts continue |
| 07:21.51 | s3itz | if found, x's life is in its hands |
| 07:21.54 | carrett | rw: technically you shouldn't need it. |
| 07:22.02 | rw | s3itz, true |
| 07:22.08 | ardy | On boot up I have /dev directory created form /.dev dir but how do I make the ermissions on the dev directory stay (they change back to being yultra restrictive every time I reboot)? |
| 07:22.14 | carrett | rw: but you should edit it so you know exactly what X is trying to do |
| 07:22.20 | rw | s3itz, and .xinitrc is even BEFORE it |
| 07:22.30 | s3itz | ya |
| 07:22.45 | s3itz | I only play w/ that once and while. I'm running e17 atm so I'm using it to set up what I like |
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| 07:22.50 | trappix04 | cthulfuego: it is so nice to see two 99% processors, thanks a million |
| 07:22.51 | s3itz | cause I got root tails and stuff running |
| 07:22.59 | rw | if i set anything before the system Xsession it goes alright, else, it doest go. |
| 07:23.09 | s3itz | but w/ gnome and KDE, they can remember your sessions |
| 07:23.13 | s3itz | so they manage them ok |
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| 07:24.04 | usr010 | how do i change my menus |
| 07:24.11 | cat | useruser fluxbox? |
| 07:24.12 | usr010 | gnome |
| 07:24.19 | rw | if i have like xterm in my .xsession, and I run manualy my /etc/X11/Xsession. What should happen, gnome start? |
| 07:24.38 | cat | usr010 hmmm try /etc/X11/gnome |
| 07:24.43 | cat | or try looking on /etc/X11 |
| 07:25.31 | usr010 | what about flux? |
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| 07:25.40 | cat | is /etc/X11/fluxbox |
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| 07:25.51 | cat | look in that directory i don't really know the fluxbox menu name |
| 07:25.58 | carrett | o/o everyone |
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| 07:27.02 | pabs3 | dabreegster: cat /proc/cpuinfo, then apt-cache search kernel <2nd word of model name> |
| 07:27.44 | pabs3 | most likely k6 |
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| 07:33.00 | dabreegster | alright pabs3 |
| 07:35.04 | dabreegster | Hmm, doesn't seem to be a 2.6.7 kernel for the k6 architecture |
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| 07:36.14 | drac | k6.. i386 |
| 07:36.22 | wishes | is there a command that will list all the files needed for an apt-get upgrade? |
| 07:36.30 | dabreegster | alright drac |
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| 07:36.55 | dondelelcaro | wishes: --dry-run may do what you're looking for |
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| 07:37.11 | wishes | mm or -u |
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| 07:37.50 | kewlcat | how to fix this problem ? : debian don't recognize lan card after switch kernel from 2.2 to 2.4 ? |
| 07:38.30 | drac | kewlcat: try finding your card using 'modconf' |
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| 07:38.41 | kewlcat | drac do i need to reboot after this ? |
| 07:38.51 | drac | hmm, no. |
| 07:39.00 | kewlcat | ah thx |
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| 07:41.54 | kewlcat | drac modconf has no autodetect hardware ? |
| 07:42.05 | kewlcat | hardware autodetect |
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| 07:42.38 | drac | kewlcat: no, it's frontend to install/uninstall modules to/from kernel. |
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| 07:42.52 | drac | kewlcat: 'lspci | grep Ether' to see what card do you have. |
| 07:43.05 | kewlcat | drac oh thx |
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| 07:49.02 | reNegad3 | any how-tos out there for setting up a new install?? |
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| 07:52.24 | sanmarcos | what does ABI stand for? |
| 07:52.30 | sanso | !tell reNegad3 about d-i |
| 07:52.30 | suzzi_ | any one handy with nano regex? |
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| 07:53.10 | suzzi_ | I'm trying to insert in tabs and newlines and the perl \t and \n seem to be treated as literals ? any clues or hints? |
| 07:53.25 | suzzi_ | sanmarcos: in what context? |
| 07:53.34 | ardy | does anyone here know anything about hotplug? |
| 07:53.36 | sanmarcos | suzzi_: API context |
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| 07:53.50 | drac | !anyone |
| 07:53.50 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 07:53.55 | suzzi_ | sanmarcos: not a clue, sorry |
| 07:53.57 | sanmarcos | suzzi_: developement world |
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| 07:54.35 | suzzi_ | Automaric Batch Interface??? AlphaNumeric Binary Integer??? |
| 07:54.39 | ardy | ok fine does someone here know anything about configuring hotplug? |
| 07:54.58 | suzzi_ | sanmarcos: I could go on... but these are all just guesses, does wikipedia have any thin? |
| 07:55.04 | suzzi_ | umm thing? |
| 07:55.16 | pabs3 | sanmarcos: the B stands for binary, A/I are the same IIRC |
| 07:55.32 | sanmarcos | what do the A/I stand for? |
| 07:55.53 | pabs3 | same as in API Application and INterface |
| 07:56.11 | sanmarcos | pabl0: thanks, what does the P stand for? |
| 07:56.33 | sanmarcos | :) |
| 07:56.45 | pabs3 | Program or Programming i think. and don't call me pablo |
| 07:57.09 | sanmarcos | ahh sorry, it was the TAB |
| 07:57.10 | sanmarcos | thanks |
| 07:57.18 | pabs3 | ah :) |
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| 07:57.49 | digress | what's the best method for sharing files among linux machines? |
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| 07:57.55 | digress | by command line? |
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| 07:58.00 | suzzi_ | digress: scp |
| 07:58.13 | digress | k, I'll google it |
| 07:58.25 | suzzi_ | digress: welll lets back up |
| 07:58.35 | suzzi_ | digress: what kind of shareing are you planning? |
| 07:58.42 | ProtoX29A | re |
| 07:59.17 | digress | eh, it's just basic, I'd like to send a few files back and forth |
| 07:59.33 | digress | I'm using my debian machine headless, just ssh in and set it up that way |
| 07:59.36 | suzzi_ | if you want to have a folder on one computer look like a drive on another then you want NFS (or SAMBA) if you just need to get fileX from one box to another then scp is like copy between boxes |
| 07:59.42 | digress | works well so far, learned a lot about linux command line |
| 07:59.55 | digress | suzzi_, great, scp sopunds like the way to go for now |
| 08:00.13 | suzzi_ | digress: I still use CLI all the time, I have an old laptop that is useless with X |
| 08:00.34 | suzzi_ | once you get the hang of things CLI is so much faster, just has a learning curve. |
| 08:00.46 | digress | suzzi_, it seems a lot of linux is really tightly tied into the command line, so seems I have to learn it pretty well |
| 08:01.05 | suzzi_ | it is, and it's good that you know that. |
| 08:01.41 | digress | heh, I used to love dos days . . . sometimes just faster to have no mouse |
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| 08:01.57 | digress | course, gui editing something like apache is nice, I suppose |
| 08:02.08 | suzzi_ | well... a mouse is really handy for copy paste... other then that... ??? |
| 08:02.11 | digress | playing with moon edit right now, pretty damn cool |
| 08:02.13 | digress | hahaha, true |
| 08:02.19 | digress | you know moon edit? |
| 08:02.32 | suzzi_ | nope, sorry |
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| 08:03.04 | digress | heh, just found it recently . . . "collaborative editing" |
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| 08:03.13 | valdyn | - |
| 08:03.14 | mircosoft | hi |
| 08:03.17 | zarblug | hi |
| 08:03.19 | digress | a bunch of people edit the same document in real time |
| 08:03.34 | suzzi_ | digress: humm cool |
| 08:03.42 | suzzi_ | mircosoft: hello |
| 08:03.45 | suzzi_ | zarblug: hello |
| 08:03.55 | zarblug | can anyone help me to get my printer work please ? |
| 08:03.59 | zarblug | with cups |
| 08:04.04 | suzzi_ | digress: does it just do a live interface with CVS? |
| 08:04.12 | mircosoft | may i say DEBIAN RULEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 08:04.18 | zarblug | i can't get anything but craps that is printing, and dunno why |
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| 08:04.30 | suzzi_ | mircosoft: what are you ? 10 or something? |
| 08:04.38 | mircosoft | 10??? |
| 08:04.40 | digress | suzzi_, nah, it seems pretty limited - it works with its own protocol and what not |
| 08:04.48 | digress | there's no copy/paste between programs |
| 08:04.56 | suzzi_ | zarblug: I'm sorry I've never set up a printer under debian. |
| 08:04.58 | zarblug | suzzi_, i guess for 8 ! |
| 08:05.07 | digress | how does gnome accomplish the copy/paste between programs? is it something like OLE? |
| 08:05.19 | zarblug | setup a printer on linux seems to me the hardest thing in the world |
| 08:05.24 | digress | cause that seems damn scary . . .OLD is terrible |
| 08:05.28 | ProtoX29A | 8 year old boys dont belong in the irc |
| 08:05.36 | mircosoft | MSLinux is based on debian |
| 08:05.38 | digress | zarblug, took me a whole day to figure out how to add printers :) |
| 08:05.39 | ProtoX29A | they belong to bed... |
| 08:05.39 | ProtoX29A | ... with michael jackson |
| 08:05.41 | zarblug | doing vpn / samba / etc. is a piece of cake ! |
| 08:05.51 | suzzi_ | digress: not a clue, I havent use gnome since redhat 5 |
| 08:05.52 | mircosoft | I AM NOT 8 OR 10 |
| 08:05.52 | suzzi_ | . |
| 08:06.02 | suzzi_ | mircosoft: 9? |
| 08:06.05 | mircosoft | !kick ProtoX29A |
| 08:06.07 | sanso | zarblug, be more specific: what have You tried, where didn't it work,... |
| 08:06.09 | zarblug | digress, i try con configure my printer since 2 years from now. Trying time to time ... |
| 08:06.12 | mircosoft | Sunblade: or 9 |
| 08:06.31 | zarblug | sanso, i tried cups. Put the ppd file coresponding to my printer. Tried |
| 08:07.01 | zarblug | sanso, woops. continuing, configure my printer with this file. THen try to print with firefox |
| 08:07.04 | ProtoX29A | mircosoft: go home and explore your body |
| 08:07.08 | mircosoft | openttd rulez |
| 08:07.15 | zarblug | and only craps appear on the printer |
| 08:07.28 | mircosoft | !kick ProtoX29A |
| 08:07.32 | suzzi_ | zarblug: you would think that they would be fairly standard, well an older parallel printer at least? |
| 08:07.45 | suzzi_ | zarblug: but even USB is just a serial connection? |
| 08:08.02 | zarblug | suzzi_, yeap old parallel printer |
| 08:08.15 | mircosoft | why can't openttd be placed in the reps? w/o the images |
| 08:08.36 | mircosoft | it GPL and there is a maintainer making a deb for it |
| 08:08.43 | zarblug | all standard, but |
| 08:08.50 | zarblug | it still doesn't work |
| 08:08.58 | suzzi_ | zarblug: can you print from the commandline, just not firefox or do you always get jibberish when you try and print? |
| 08:09.30 | zarblug | suzzi_, i print from firefox. (i tried open office too) |
| 08:09.51 | mircosoft | i need a cloack lets see if the irc protocol support the IDL standard |
| 08:10.07 | mircosoft | i'll fake microsoft.com ... |
| 08:10.19 | zarblug | i try to print from the command line, ok. |
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| 08:11.11 | spo0nman | is there a debian package which will install all gnome-dev packages? |
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| 08:12.39 | cat | spo0nman check aptitude |
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| 08:13.36 | spo0nman | cat: thanks, but no thanks. |
| 08:13.41 | jetscreamer | Overfiend has quite a potty mouth. 0.4% words were foul language. |
| 08:13.42 | suzzi_ | zarblug: I'm sorry I cant think of any thing else? |
| 08:14.03 | cat | hmm ok |
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| 08:14.59 | zarblug | suzzi_, np, thanks |
| 08:15.18 | zarblug | printting is a real pain in the ass |
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| 08:16.12 | speakman | good morning poeple :P |
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| 08:16.56 | suzzi_ | speakman: good morning |
| 08:17.11 | ndee | hi there, I follwed the instructions to get the ATI driver running on my notebook(http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html), everything works, but when I use fglrxinfo, it tells me that Mesa is the opengl renderer and "that is a problem" but with no solution. Anyone had this problem before? |
| 08:18.09 | speakman | On my Dell server, it takes a great long time to read files and list dirs.. anyone seen something like this before? |
| 08:18.25 | speakman | It uses megaraid2 SCSI drives. |
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| 08:20.54 | sep | speakman: takes longer then you expected, or takes longer then it did before ? , have you verified it's not running in degraded mode ? |
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| 08:24.41 | Vroum | hello all |
| 08:24.47 | cat | Vroum hi |
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| 08:31.59 | mircosoft | how do i enabled FB? |
| 08:32.09 | Vroum | hello mircosoft |
| 08:32.23 | mircosoft | FB == framebuffer |
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| 08:32.31 | mircosoft | Vroum: HI |
| 08:32.58 | Billy_ | hi all, i have a problem with the usb stick wireless |
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| 08:34.58 | mircosoft | hmm does anyone talk here |
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| 08:35.08 | mircosoft | all i got was 1 hi and 3 parts |
| 08:35.19 | mircosoft | look like this server is crap |
| 08:35.26 | jond3rd | I don't think so |
| 08:35.31 | jond3rd | I learn a lot in this server |
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| 08:36.22 | mircosoft | jonathaN: freenode is made of 32? servers |
| 08:36.43 | mircosoft | hmm 4.9s lag |
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| 08:42.58 | speakman | sep: sorry for taking so long; what degraded mode? Under install, it was all really fast. Now it takes about 10sek to 'ls'! |
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| 08:49.15 | cat | ok i'm back |
| 08:49.33 | TheMoebius | whats a command line app that will unzip stuff? |
| 08:49.43 | Gathond | TheMoebius: unzip :) |
| 08:49.47 | pabs3 | unzip |
| 08:49.48 | TheMoebius | coo |
| 08:49.58 | cat | man unzip ;P |
| 08:50.09 | TheMoebius | apparently I'll have to install it |
| 08:50.20 | toresbe | there is a theory of TheMoebius ... a fracture in space and time that causes him to ask silly questions on IRC... |
| 08:50.27 | toresbe | :P |
| 08:50.37 | TheMoebius | hehe |
| 08:50.41 | TheMoebius | orbital? |
| 08:50.50 | toresbe | yeah, but ST: TNG originally |
| 08:50.58 | TheMoebius | oh didn't know that |
| 08:50.59 | sanmarcos | toraton: Moebius!!! |
| 08:51.07 | toraton | ? |
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| 08:51.18 | toraton | haha |
| 08:51.20 | toraton | accident? |
| 08:51.23 | cat | oh boy i love fresh, docs |
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| 08:51.25 | sanmarcos | toraton: like that movie, Moebius, about the subway in Buenos Aires that dissapears, and they explain it with the Moebius Theory |
| 08:51.29 | toresbe | Anyway, anyone here knowledgeable in the inscrutable ways of ThinNet coax? |
| 08:51.30 | toraton | ! |
| 08:51.30 | speakman | On my Dell server, it takes a great long time to read files and list dirs.. anyone seen something like this before? It's using megaraid2. |
| 08:51.43 | toraton | you meant, toresbe, i think. |
| 08:51.55 | sanmarcos | ya |
| 08:51.56 | cat | speakman: not really |
| 08:52.03 | toresbe | Can you directly wire together two thinnet points with coax? |
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| 08:52.09 | Ivoss | apc 7880 not see HD on server - I try install Debian 3.1 sarge gnu/linux netinstall |
| 08:52.19 | toresbe | as in, one NIC on each end of the coax? |
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| 08:52.22 | cat | Ivoss: scsi?? |
| 08:52.27 | speakman | It's really strange! Never seen this issue myself! |
| 08:52.37 | toresbe | Eeek, I'm in a horrible hurry |
| 08:52.40 | toresbe | I've got to go |
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| 08:52.56 | toresbe | save those answers on a buffer, out to get WLAN hardware ! ^_^ |
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| 08:53.20 | sanmarcos | toraton: do you want to save thousands on car insurance? |
| 08:53.34 | sanmarcos | I just lowered my cholesterol |
| 08:53.42 | toraton | stop saying my nick! haha |
| 08:53.43 | sanmarcos | Can you hear me now? good |
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| 08:53.51 | mircosoft | anyone can answer me? |
| 08:53.59 | mircosoft | <mircosoft> how do i enabled FB? |
| 08:54.02 | mircosoft | <mircosoft> FB == framebuffer |
| 08:54.16 | simonrvn | build it into your kernel |
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| 08:54.33 | cat | !tell mircosoft about fb |
| 08:54.34 | mircosoft | simonrvn: its not there by default? |
| 08:54.37 | Ivoss | cat: yes |
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| 08:54.45 | simonrvn | mircosoft: on some arches, no |
| 08:54.48 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
| 08:54.53 | mircosoft | cat: wtf |
| 08:55.08 | mircosoft | simonrvn: what about k7? |
| 08:55.09 | Deffie | hi all, i'm having troubles with a debian woody box with an ata raid fasttrak 133 configured as mirroring for 2 80 gb hdd on linux 2.6 (i tried 2.4 too), the problem is that about after one hour from boot the box freezes, without any error or debugging info...it may be many hw problems.. |
| 08:55.34 | simonrvn | mircosoft: x86 is the arch, therefore, probably not |
| 08:55.48 | Ivoss | Adaptec APC-7880 not see HD on server - I try install Debian 3.1 sarge gnu/linux netinstall, but when I try install old Red Hat 9.0 hd is ok(Red hat use megaradi) |
| 08:56.03 | mircosoft | why not? don't k7 support fb? i am sure i have seen fb working on k7 |
| 08:56.08 | saintiss | hi all... I'll try my question once more: |
| 08:56.09 | saintiss | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.27 | cat | yeah, |
| 08:56.39 | simonrvn | mircosoft: didn't say it didn't support it. i said not in kernel by default - as in *built* |
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| 08:56.42 | Ivoss | Red Hat use megaraid for adaptec apc-7880 , Debian use megaraid? |
| 08:57.04 | mircosoft | simonrvn: well if it supports it why is it not built with it? |
| 08:57.08 | cat | Ivoss: try this modprobe megaraid |
| 08:57.11 | simonrvn | Ivoss: kernel kernel kernel |
| 08:57.14 | Deffie | but before going locally and checking for them i checked hdd temps and config and i see no weird things...i'm currently thinking that it freezes after mirror reconstruction...and i seen that debian woody's raidutils2 package uses some obsoleted calls |
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| 08:57.23 | simonrvn | mircosoft: because it's not essential |
| 08:57.33 | simonrvn | know your hardware ... |
| 08:57.49 | cat | open up a terminal Ivoss |
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| 08:57.53 | cat | and put the command |
| 08:57.56 | Deffie | is anyone using a fasttrak raid-1 with debian woody raidutils2 ? |
| 08:58.10 | cat | fasttrack ? |
| 08:58.12 | cat | for giftd? |
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| 08:58.34 | Deffie | promise fasttrak ata raid controller |
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| 08:58.44 | Ivoss | cat: Hm.... this metod of "try" |
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| 08:59.09 | cat | Ivoss: then check if you'r system is compatible with linux, |
| 08:59.14 | cat | or with debian |
| 08:59.21 | speakman | Could jigdo really slow down an Dell PE 1850 server ?? |
| 08:59.47 | speakman | When I Ctrl-Z'ed jigdo, its fast again... |
| 09:00.01 | SlayerXP | speakman: then "yes" |
| 09:00.07 | Ivoss | Cat: I need to know, Debian 3.1 Sarge Netinstall kernel 2.6.8 support megaradi? (if not how to load driver in installation time) |
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| 09:00.21 | cat | try checking you'r self, that information, |
| 09:00.24 | cat | don't be lazzy |
| 09:00.30 | Ivoss | cat: Red Hat 9.0 work |
| 09:00.33 | speakman | Ivoss: There are a Woody installation for Dell server which has megaraid built in.. |
| 09:00.44 | Ivoss | Cat: How to check? |
| 09:00.48 | cat | Ivoss: debian.org |
| 09:01.09 | Xsquared | hi im having major trouble with my /dev/hdb1 . I made it so that it is /home . (mounts as /home). It just display some errors and now i can't get it do do anything. Can someone pm me.. ;_; plz. |
| 09:01.14 | speakman | SlayerXP: shouldn't there be something wrong? |
| 09:01.17 | Ivoss | speakman: Nice. |
| 09:01.19 | Xsquared | mounting it **\ |
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| 09:01.40 | speakman | Xsquared: what's the error messages? |
| 09:01.51 | Xsquared | its a few lines :-\ |
| 09:02.02 | Xsquared | fsck.ext3: Attempt to read block from filesyste, resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hdb1 |
| 09:02.08 | speakman | Ivoss: You could use it to install your server, then upgrade to Sarge, and recompile the kernel |
| 09:02.09 | Xsquared | thats basically the main error |
| 09:02.22 | speakman | Ivoss: Have downloaded the megaraid drivers your self? |
| 09:02.53 | Xsquared | Could this be a zero-length partition . end_request: I/O error, dev 03:41 (hdb), sector 0. it also has a line saying Uncorrectable error. |
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| 09:03.51 | speakman | Xsquared: have you fsck:ed it? |
| 09:04.01 | Xsquared | yes, that was the output of the fsck |
| 09:04.17 | Xsquared | well, not the uncorrectable bit |
| 09:04.21 | Xsquared | that was on bootup |
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| 09:06.17 | Ivoss | Cat: On page http://www.lsilogic.com/downloads/downloads.do?product=8069 MegaRaid is only for Red Hat, Suse , and other but not for Debian :-( |
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| 09:08.47 | speakman | Xsquared: is it a new disk? IDE/SCSI? |
| 09:08.53 | simonrvn | Ivoss: alien *.rpm |
| 09:09.06 | Xsquared | speakman: ive had it for 6 months |
| 09:09.16 | Xsquared | speakman: its in my server box |
| 09:09.31 | speakman | Xsquared: ok, cause it seems to be failing to me.. |
| 09:09.34 | SlayerXP | Ivoss: the megariad chipset has been supported in the vanilla linux kernel for well over 5 years |
| 09:09.50 | Xsquared | speakman: what do i have to do? what are my options? |
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| 09:10.07 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: i guess old habits die hard |
| 09:10.09 | speakman | Ivoss: megaraid is included in latest 2.4 kernel.. probalby latest 2.6 also |
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| 09:10.45 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: que? |
| 09:10.46 | simonrvn | and like SlayerXP said, been included for a while... dunno why you're going to some web site to fetch the driver... |
| 09:10.55 | speakman | Xsquared: I'm not sure, what args have you used fsck with? fsck should tell you a bit more if it can't repair the filesystem. |
| 09:11.17 | reNegad3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:11.32 | dawg | xsquared, ide-smart might also be helpful |
| 09:11.48 | Xsquared | dawg: can u explain a bit? |
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| 09:12.41 | dawg | xsquared, if your ide disk supports smart then it can be tested to see if it's faulty in some way |
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| 09:12.50 | dawg | xsquared, man page explains better than i can ;) |
| 09:12.52 | jetscreamer | debian menu editor, gui |
| 09:12.55 | Xsquared | hdb: dma_intr: status0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
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| 09:13.53 | Xsquared | hdb: dma_intr: status=0x40 {UncorrectableError }, LBsect=64, sector=0 |
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| 09:14.09 | jetscreamer | Xsquared, you can get the drive to actually work, i tried turning off dma in bios, using pio, turning off smart... but it means your drive is fried, mostly. back it up asap. |
| 09:14.20 | jetscreamer | the error51 i meant |
| 09:14.30 | Xsquared | fsck.ext3: Attempt to read block from filesystem, resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hdb1 |
| 09:14.33 | jetscreamer | low level formatting it may help |
| 09:14.48 | Xsquared | but it holds my /home |
| 09:14.56 | Xsquared | im gonna loose everything |
| 09:15.15 | simonrvn | *lose* |
| 09:15.18 | Xsquared | sorry |
| 09:15.25 | jetscreamer | play with it till it loads... it can be done. it took me a lot of power cycling |
| 09:15.52 | Xsquared | o_; |
| 09:15.54 | jetscreamer | also check the plugs, push the wires on the mutex plug in (mutex?) and reseat the ide cable |
| 09:16.06 | jetscreamer | i just went through that |
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| 09:16.39 | jetscreamer | got it to work grabbed the data low level formatted it gave it to a friend... :) |
| 09:16.50 | Xsquared | so, if i can't get it back up, i have lost my /home dir |
| 09:16.50 | jetscreamer | it functions though |
| 09:16.58 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 09:16.58 | Xsquared | does that mean everything is screwed? |
| 09:17.01 | jetscreamer | no |
| 09:17.07 | jetscreamer | just recreate |
| 09:17.13 | Xsquared | bah! brax... |
| 09:17.16 | Ivoss | speakman: I try with last netinstall sarge 3.1, but that not work. |
| 09:17.23 | Xsquared | how? recreate? |
| 09:17.45 | jetscreamer | all you need is a home dir with .bashrc and .bash_profile in it |
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| 09:18.44 | Xsquared | and is that the basis, all u need |
| 09:18.54 | jetscreamer | but you can probably get that hd to work for a bit, eventually... sometimes letting it cool seemed to help. but when it does finally function, don't turn it off. |
| 09:19.13 | jetscreamer | you hear metallic 'clicks' ? |
| 09:19.21 | Xsquared | no, i don't hear any clicks |
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| 09:19.34 | Xsquared | just on my screen its telling me it cannot mount due to errors |
| 09:19.40 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 09:19.49 | jetscreamer | don't write to the hd |
| 09:20.06 | Xsquared | yeah, i was trying to mount it as read only |
| 09:20.07 | jetscreamer | until you get a backup, don't let fsck fix shit... do a dd if you can |
| 09:20.11 | Xsquared | but it didn't work |
| 09:20.21 | possie | does debian use xorg or xfree86? |
| 09:20.26 | jetscreamer | xfree |
| 09:20.30 | jetscreamer | xorg later |
| 09:20.42 | jetscreamer | you can install xorg if you want' |
| 09:20.47 | possie | jetscreamer: how? |
| 09:20.50 | jetscreamer | not supported |
| 09:20.54 | jetscreamer | !xorg |
| 09:20.54 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 09:20.59 | sparq__ | I see from lastlog that people have been grumbling about Release.gpg expiring... is there going to be a new key soon? |
| 09:21.05 | Zero_Dogg | Deb will change to xorg after Sarge won't it? |
| 09:21.10 | possie | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 09:21.11 | jetscreamer | maybe |
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| 09:21.29 | Zero_Dogg | it can't stay with XFree at least, that's for sure |
| 09:21.46 | possie | what is the main diffrence acctually pure politics? |
| 09:21.50 | jetscreamer | that's the talk, though, that xorg is in the future |
| 09:21.57 | jetscreamer | no idea.. license |
| 09:22.05 | Zero_Dogg | the main difference is the license |
| 09:22.05 | Xsquared | Xsquared: /usr, /var and / are mounted |
| 09:22.05 | Xsquared | Xsquared: and those /var and /usr are on hdb |
| 09:22.12 | Xsquared | i don't get it |
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| 09:22.13 | Zero_Dogg | and that xorg is more aggressively developed |
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| 09:22.34 | jetscreamer | Xsquared, so are they the same partitions though |
| 09:22.39 | Xsquared | yeah |
| 09:22.45 | Xsquared | but /home has errors |
| 09:22.47 | Xsquared | i don't get it |
| 09:22.51 | sparq__ | possie: lots and lots of things. For example xorg is going to be split into a bunch of small autotool-ized packages |
| 09:23.29 | sparq__ | in fact, I think the autotool-ization has already been done |
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| 09:23.33 | jetscreamer | no, if /usr and /var are mounted, then they have mountpoints |
| 09:23.54 | jetscreamer | so i wouldn't think it was the same partition |
| 09:24.04 | jetscreamer | same drive maybe |
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| 09:24.13 | Xsquared | yeah, same drive |
| 09:24.18 | evl | Anyone know of a mirror of cdimage.debian.org? |
| 09:24.22 | evl | it's terribly slow |
| 09:24.31 | jetscreamer | no |
| 09:25.05 | Xsquared | look, i'll paste 3 lines then. |
| 09:25.13 | jetscreamer | #flood |
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| 09:26.07 | cjavad | Is there any way I can disable x keyboard layout changing for a specific application? |
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| 09:27.28 | sanmarcos | cjavad: just set it before launching |
| 09:27.29 | jetscreamer | hey can you backup a non-mounted partition with dd ? |
| 09:27.45 | sanso | jetscreamer, yes |
| 09:28.06 | jetscreamer | Xsquared, man dd then |
| 09:28.12 | kromagg | yeah, I'd still mount it and use tar though |
| 09:28.17 | cjavad | sanmarcos: What do you mean |
| 09:28.29 | jetscreamer | he seems to be having difficulty mounting his /home partition |
| 09:28.54 | jethro | hello there |
| 09:28.55 | sanmarcos | cjavad: $set; $app; $unset |
| 09:29.01 | jetscreamer | hey tabbuddy! |
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| 09:29.09 | jethro | heh |
| 09:29.12 | sanmarcos | cjavad: $app being your app, and $set, unset, beign the commands to change your layout |
| 09:29.14 | sanmarcos | still its global |
| 09:29.19 | sanso | how can I find out, what filesystem I have on a partition without trying to mount it? |
| 09:29.44 | RikClark | hello everyone. What's a good hex viewer for live capture of binary streams? |
| 09:30.25 | sanmarcos | ;D |
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| 09:30.32 | zakame | hello |
| 09:30.45 | streuner_ | sanso: cat /etc/fstab? |
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| 09:31.11 | jetscreamer | RikClark, apt-cache search hex maybe, or hexedit |
| 09:31.18 | cjavad | sanmarcos: No I want to disable layout changing just for THE app |
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| 09:31.44 | sanso | streuner_, the partition would not be in fstab or anywhere. (say I got a harddrive I'm supposed to do recovery on..) |
| 09:32.05 | sanmarcos | cjavad: if X, try #xorg, or #xfree86 |
| 09:32.08 | streuner_ | sanso: use the magice-crystal-ball-thingie instead then ;-) |
| 09:32.21 | sanmarcos | cjavad: xfree is dead.. how sad |
| 09:32.30 | jetscreamer | thingy, not thingie!!! |
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| 09:32.39 | streuner_ | hehe jetscreamer |
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| 09:33.00 | sanso | streuner_, good idea! Why didn't I think of that myself! |
| 09:33.24 | RainbowW | where does debian's php package put the executible? |
| 09:33.43 | streuner_ | RainbowW: dpkg -L |
| 09:33.48 | jethro | RainbowW: dpkg -L <package> will tell you |
| 09:33.53 | zakame | :D |
| 09:33.53 | Xsquared | jetscreamer: im lost using dd. :-\ |
| 09:33.55 | sanso | isn't there a way to find out the filesystem by looking at the first block or so? |
| 09:34.00 | jetscreamer | there's even a Smooth-Tangerine-Dream theme for gnome |
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| 09:34.05 | cthulfuego | RainbowW: php4-cgi or php4-cli or apache's php4 module? |
| 09:34.05 | sanmarcos | sanso: autofs |
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| 09:34.59 | sanso | sanmarcos, ? automounter? - would that not be the same as 'mount -t auto /dev/foo /mnt' |
| 09:34.59 | jetscreamer | Xsquared, all i know is it's like dd if=blah of=bloo where if = input file|name|thingy, of = output file name |
| 09:35.02 | sanso | ? |
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| 09:35.14 | simonrvn | sanso: no |
| 09:35.30 | RainbowW | it's running under apache; i'm trying to figure out if gd is compiled in or not. |
| 09:35.31 | sanso | simonrvn, explain. |
| 09:35.37 | Xsquared | jetscreamer: ok, that made no more sense |
| 09:35.48 | streuner_ | sanso: why the fuck you want mount the partition, it would be the easiest solution? |
| 09:36.02 | streuner_ | sanso: don't |
| 09:36.08 | jetscreamer | if is what you want to copy, of is what you want to copy it to |
| 09:36.19 | Xsquared | jetscreamer: oh ok |
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| 09:36.46 | jetscreamer | but that's ALL i know |
| 09:36.52 | Xsquared | jetscreamer: brb |
| 09:37.00 | Xsquared | jetscreamer: trying reboot once again |
| 09:37.05 | jetscreamer | what you need to type to get it to do /dev/hdb1 i dunno.. maybe that. |
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| 09:37.35 | sanso | streuner_, This is more a theoretical question. maybe i should look into #filesystems101 :-) |
| 09:37.46 | jetscreamer | if=/dev/hdb1 of=something somewhere |
| 09:37.49 | jetscreamer | maybe? |
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| 09:39.26 | l4vim | hello, I have some trouble with dhcp3-server - I make new subnet on one interface (eth1 192.168.X, eth1: 192.168.Y) and now my dhcp3-server can't start and it shows in daemon.log: "eth1 matches multiple shared networks" what is OK for me but not for him.. what should I do to make it works with it ? |
| 09:39.53 | l4vim | eth1 and eth1:1 I mean |
| 09:40.36 | l4vim | mayby I can try with multiple addesses with iproute2's ip tool ? |
| 09:41.35 | streuner_ | sanso: man mount doesn't show anything? mount should have a mechanism how to get the info... |
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| 09:42.27 | kinniin | l4vim, you have three ethx? |
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| 09:43.18 | kinniin | streuner, if you just type mount it shows what is mounted |
| 09:43.38 | toresbe | <OT> anyone here know thinnet wiring? |
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| 09:44.04 | toresbe | <OT> How does one do a direct host-to-host connection? does one need any links or terminators? |
| 09:44.06 | streuner_ | kinniin: the question is what happens when mount doesn't get the info from fstab... |
| 09:44.21 | p2-mate | toresbe: you mean 10Base2 ? |
| 09:44.24 | l4vim | kinniin : much more |
| 09:44.45 | toresbe | p2-mate: yeah |
| 09:44.57 | kinniin | so its not allowing you second and third nics be on same network? |
| 09:44.58 | l4vim | kinniin : but the problem starts when I make 2 subnets on one fisical interface |
| 09:45.10 | p2-mate | toresbe: you need 50ohm terminators on both ends of the bus |
| 09:45.11 | l4vim | s/fisical/phisical/ |
| 09:45.24 | kinniin | l4vim, you are making network ip address calculation mistake I bet |
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| 09:45.35 | toresbe | p2-mate: So I can't just link two cards with a single coax? |
| 09:45.54 | l4vim | kinniin: I didn't - I'm sure |
| 09:46.06 | p2-mate | toresbe: no, normally not. There are a few cards which can do termination themselves, but the vast majority can't |
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| 09:46.33 | toresbe | p2-mate: Okay... the 3c509b isn't on that list, I take it? :\ |
| 09:46.42 | p2-mate | toresbe: nope. it's not |
| 09:47.07 | toresbe | p2-mate: Probably not Tandberg X terminals either then... |
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| 09:47.25 | p2-mate | toresbe: probably not |
| 09:47.34 | toresbe | p2-mate: Oh well, thanks a bunch for the help, now, I just need to find terminators :\ |
| 09:47.39 | toresbe | p2-mate: ....I'll be back :P |
| 09:47.47 | p2-mate | toresbe: OTOH 2 resistors of approximately 50ohm is all you need :) |
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| 09:49.02 | toresbe | p2-mate: Won't get into that now, I have a stack of jobs to do that seriously NEEDS a few pops... |
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| 09:49.27 | JRWR | any one here good with a PCMCIA midules |
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| 09:49.46 | nokia6000 | anyone know how to delete in --> direction in xterm? |
| 09:49.49 | toresbe | p2-mate: I've been putting this off for too long..... I have to install Windows 98 on a laptop and use some obscure DOS recovery utility |
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| 09:51.39 | RainbowW | what's the standard for naming source packages? i may need to recompile apache2-mod-php ... |
| 09:51.42 | Obligatory | nokia6000, whadaya mean by "delete in --> direction"? |
| 09:52.24 | simonrvn | RainbowW: just keep the name, and up the version to an NMU version (-X.Y, instead of -X) |
| 09:52.37 | JRWR | im getting this error at boot time /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module Operation not permitted |
| 09:52.40 | simonrvn | RainbowW: read new maintainer's guide |
| 09:52.55 | RainbowW | simonrvn: i mean to download the source from the source distribution. |
| 09:52.57 | JRWR | any way to fix that |
| 09:52.58 | nokia6000 | Obligatory, abcdef____Ig , see that I-cursor delete the g. |
| 09:53.00 | simonrvn | s/'s/s/ |
| 09:54.04 | Obligatory | Does the 'delete' key work? |
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| 09:55.25 | nokia6000 | Obligatory, only in <- direction |
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| 09:55.55 | Obligatory | nok: just like the backspace? |
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| 09:56.23 | Charms | Is xfce4 safe to install on stable woody distro? Its not listed in stable sources.. only versoin 3.8 |
| 09:56.44 | Charms | I tried installing mozilla-firefox on woody using the sarge distro, and it wrecked my system, so i'm wary |
| 09:57.40 | cat | u never, missed unstable with stable |
| 09:57.57 | Charms | cat: missed? |
| 09:58.02 | cat | grrr |
| 09:58.05 | cat | messed |
| 09:58.14 | Charms | cat: yeah, or testing with stable, it seems. |
| 09:58.25 | Charms | cat: So i shouldn't install xfce4, only the stable xfce 3.8? |
| 09:58.45 | simonrvn | @bobbitt |
| 09:58.48 | ravenbird | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. see also apt-get --force remove bobbitt |
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| 09:59.21 | simonrvn | @+scrape google for lorena bobbittt |
| 09:59.25 | simonrvn | @+scrape google for lorena bobbitt |
| 09:59.32 | simonrvn | oh no... sorry |
| 09:59.49 | JRWR | im getting this error at boot time /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module Operation not permitted any wya to fix this |
| 10:00.02 | Charms | anyone have some insights into this? |
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| 10:01.54 | cat | JRWR: man chroot |
| 10:02.01 | JRWR | ? |
| 10:02.31 | paulswm | Charms: A good rule of thumb is not to mix distros. |
| 10:02.35 | Obligatory | Charms: how bad did Firefox wreck you system -- did it zap the hard drive? |
| 10:03.28 | JRWR | cat: what do you whant me to do with chroot |
| 10:03.36 | simonrvn | cat: wtf |
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| 10:04.18 | Charms | Obligatory: Well, it just prevented me from installing other packages. It really warped the dependencies or smoething. for example, trying to install the gtk development tools didn't work, becasue firefox used a different version from a different srouce list, and i got packages conflicting with each other. |
| 10:04.24 | Charms | Obligatory: Basically made a mess of the whole dselect thing. |
| 10:04.59 | Charms | paulswm: Seems to make sense. So you're basically saying, if i don't see it under stable, i probably shouldn't bother with it, and just us ehte older version? |
| 10:05.02 | simonrvn | Charms: read what the bot said about bobbitt. equally applies to sarge (aka testing) packages on woody (aka stable) |
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| 10:05.36 | JRWR | Cat |
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| 10:05.43 | JRWR | what should i do with chroot |
| 10:06.01 | toresbe | p2-mate: Amazingly I just found two terminators and two T-cables in my attic |
| 10:06.07 | Charms | simonrvn: bot said to bobbitt? May not have been here when it was sadi |
| 10:06.07 | Obligatory | Charms: Ah. Did you install a Firefox .deb from 'unstable', or some other variant archive? |
| 10:06.09 | paulswm | Charms: Or upgrade to sarge. It certainly is possible to mix packages from other distros, but you can get problems, and my experience is that life is hard enough already :) |
| 10:06.19 | Charms | Obligatory: I got it from testing. its not available in stable. |
| 10:06.24 | simonrvn | Charms: yes you were. /lastlog bobbitt |
| 10:06.39 | toresbe | p2-mate: My attic is a cool place, that's where I put everything that doesn't fit in my room |
| 10:06.40 | Charms | unknown command..? |
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| 10:06.51 | simonrvn | crap irc client |
| 10:06.55 | toresbe | p2-mate: my room is even cooler :P |
| 10:07.00 | Charms | mirc isn't great, yeah. |
| 10:07.00 | simonrvn | @bobbitt |
| 10:07.01 | ravenbird | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. see also apt-get --force remove bobbitt |
| 10:07.20 | paulswm | !win toresbe |
| 10:07.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, toresbe! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 10:07.58 | simonrvn | @toresbe++ |
| 10:08.06 | JRWR | im getting this error at boot time "/lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module Operation not permitted" any way to fix this |
| 10:08.14 | Obligatory | Charms: Well... the easiest fix would be if there's an unofficial 'stable' package around. I'm trying to remember where I bookmarked some... |
| 10:08.33 | simonrvn | backports.org apt-get.org |
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| 10:09.09 | Charms | Obligatory: Its okay, i reinstalled debian after that, so my system is fine now. i'm only concernd about installing xfce4.. it sounds like unless i want ot upgrade to sarge, using it would be a bad idea, since its not in stable. is this correct? |
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| 10:10.40 | paulswm | Charms: Unless you're running a secure production server, you might want to consider upgrading to sarge. It isn't hard, and it is certainly much more up to date. |
| 10:10.48 | toresbe | paulswm: I bought new stuff today though |
| 10:11.18 | Charms | paulswm: I'm concerned about doing so because my classroom environment is using woody, Paulswm. If I change to sarge, and choose tod os moe of the lab projects at home instaed of at school, the results may be different since i'm using different versions of the software. |
| 10:11.19 | toresbe | paulswm: wireless - a WRT54G (running Linux!) and a decent WLAN card |
| 10:11.23 | paulswm | toresbe: *new*? |
| 10:11.42 | paulswm | toresbe: I have a WRT54GS |
| 10:11.57 | toresbe | paulswm: GS? What's that? |
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| 10:13.05 | Obligatory | Charms: I'm looking for unofficial stuff... |
| 10:13.05 | JRWR | how hard would it bee to upgrade from 2.4.18 to the lastest 2.6.x |
| 10:13.14 | paulswm | toresbe: It has what Linksys call "Speedbooster", runs faster than the G, but have to use it with the corresponding Linksys wireless card to get the benefit |
| 10:13.40 | Charms | Obligatory: thanks. its okay though. I can just use the older mozilla stuff. |
| 10:13.48 | Obligatory | JRWR: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.9-1-686 |
| 10:14.58 | paulswm | toresbe: my experience: I messed around with hacking the WRT54GS source, but went back to the latest Linksys firmware update. You can get hacked firmware from from Sveasoft and other places, but quite honestly I recommend not messing with those unless they have something you have to have. |
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| 10:18.35 | Hugle | how do I tar multiple directories with tar. and protect this .tar archive with pass ? |
| 10:19.43 | PerfDave | Hugle: man tar. Just pass multiple directories to the command. |
| 10:20.02 | PerfDave | Hugle: tar doesn't do password protecting itself, use GPG with symmetric encryption. |
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| 10:21.09 | Charms | Anyone know how I can get that start menu bar in xfce 3.8? Here is a screenshot of it: http://ariszlo.tripod.com/screenshots/xfce.jpg |
| 10:21.21 | Charms | When i load up xfce, i have nothing on the screen but a mouse pointer =( |
| 10:22.04 | drac | Charms: Run 'xfce3-panel' or something similar, and add startmenu there. |
| 10:22.15 | directhex|work | xfce3 :| |
| 10:22.28 | drac | sounds pretty korny :) |
| 10:22.44 | Charms | corny? |
| 10:22.50 | Charms | its the only thing thats 'stable' |
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| 10:23.14 | zoly | g'day |
| 10:23.21 | JRWR | how hard will it be to install the 2.4.26 kernel |
| 10:23.27 | drac | Charms: How 'bout simple woody'n'sarge mix and xfce 4.2 from www.os-works.com. |
| 10:23.30 | JRWR | in woody |
| 10:23.46 | Obligatory | Charms: http://www.apt-get.org/list/?site=604 |
| 10:23.49 | Charms | drac: I need to use woody, not sarge.. |
| 10:24.53 | simonrvn | drac: you can't mix woody and sarge |
| 10:24.57 | simonrvn | @lart drac |
| 10:25.16 | zoly | whenever i come to do a bit of maintenance on a debian system with dialog as user interface for configuration handling through apt-get or dselect, i have to guess whether the red or the blue choice is the highlited one. |
| 10:25.23 | zoly | isn't really evident |
| 10:25.34 | Charms | HmJ, I don't see anything called xfce3-panel either in the dselect, or on the machine itself.. |
| 10:25.46 | zoly | (that's probably the reason i don't use dialog myself for this) |
| 10:25.53 | Charms | anyone know what the panel in this is: ? http://ariszlo.tripod.com/screenshots/xfce.jpg |
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| 10:26.51 | simonrvn | zoly: not evident? *shrug*. i thought it was plenty evident |
| 10:27.10 | drac | Charms: xfce-panel |
| 10:27.34 | zoly | simonrvn: they got about the same color intensity, nothing much brighter or darker than the other, red could mean "not selected", but also "selected" |
| 10:27.44 | drac | simonrvn: dpkg bot told me about my woody'n'sarge mix, there was something you could say to it and get info.. *can't remember what it was now* :/ |
| 10:27.48 | Obligatory | zoly: blue. |
| 10:27.49 | simonrvn | zoly: tab through them ;) |
| 10:28.00 | simonrvn | @bobbitt |
| 10:28.00 | ravenbird | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. see also apt-get --force remove bobbitt |
| 10:28.10 | zoly | simonrvn: well, then they change, but with twop choices it still doesn't get more evident |
| 10:28.13 | zoly | two |
| 10:28.23 | horror_vacui | Does anyone know whether it's possible to make subversion use fsfs instead of bdb (berkeley db) as default on debian? |
| 10:28.30 | SlayerXP | horror_vacui: yes |
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| 10:28.45 | SlayerXP | oh as the default, no, you have to explicitly set it |
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| 10:28.55 | horror_vacui | Does anyone know whether it's possible to make subversion use fsfs instead of bdb (berkeley db) as default on debian, and is ready to tell me how? |
| 10:29.08 | horror_vacui | SlayerXP, Oh... |
| 10:29.19 | SlayerXP | you could grab the source package and rebuild it with bdb disabled |
| 10:29.20 | douglas- | greetings, how to I compile bind9 from src adding in --disable-linux-caps ? |
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| 10:29.30 | douglas- | I've downloaded the bind9 src. |
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| 10:29.47 | douglas- | I just can't figure out where to edit to add that into when the package is built. |
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| 10:30.18 | simonrvn | uh, what? why would you want that? |
| 10:30.31 | simonrvn | (debian/k*bsd i can see it...) |
| 10:30.47 | simonrvn | drac: new maintainers guide |
| 10:30.55 | simonrvn | drac: sorry, douglas- ^^^ |
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| 10:31.25 | horror_vacui | SlayerXP, yes, that's an option, but not till we exhausted everything else... I'd prefer subversion to benefit from automatic updates as well... |
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| 10:32.22 | horror_vacui | Hm, I could write a wrapper for it... |
| 10:32.27 | SlayerXP | horror_vacui: there's one other option and that is to rename svnadmin to something else and then create a wrapper script in it's place to specify fsfs as the repo type |
| 10:32.44 | Obligatory | zoly: here's an old (fixed) bug about bad colors in 'dialog': http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=51196&archive=yes |
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| 10:33.00 | horror_vacui | SlayerXP, Heh... the same thought. |
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| 10:34.16 | morchid | s |
| 10:34.20 | douglas- | yes I've edited the rules file. but for some reason its over passed a and grabs it from the orig.tar.gz and uses the diff instead of the dir that it creates. so my rules file is overwritten it seems :/ |
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| 10:34.22 | ricky_clarkson | t |
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| 10:35.36 | douglas- | that is when I run the dpkg-buildpackage command. |
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| 10:35.51 | zoly | Obligatory: right, but that does not apply. i don't experience a bug, just a lack of ability to determine wether "red button background" or "blue button background" is the active selection. |
| 10:36.15 | douglas- | it extracts it from the .orig.tar.gz file and overwrites the rules file I'ved edited. how to I tell it to just use the dir and not untar the orig file again? |
| 10:36.17 | zoly | Obligatory: i know know which one, but i figure the next time i'll have forgotten again |
| 10:36.21 | zoly | now |
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| 10:37.38 | Starf | Starf hi |
| 10:37.38 | Starf | Starf trying to run exim4 on debian |
| 10:37.38 | Starf | Starf installed it via apt-get |
| 10:37.38 | Starf | Starf is there anything else i have to do to it to let zencart use it for sending out emails |
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| 10:38.00 | techn9ne | hi, how can i get apache2 for debian stable? apt-get install apache is 1.x |
| 10:38.03 | ricky_clarkson | Starf: Cross-posting is even more annoying when it's obvious. |
| 10:38.05 | Starf | ok i will write it manually |
| 10:38.13 | Starf | lol ricky_clarkson |
| 10:38.19 | Starf | hi |
| 10:38.19 | ricky_clarkson | !lol |
| 10:38.19 | dpkg | lol is probably Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 10:38.40 | Starf | trying to run exim4 on debian |
| 10:38.44 | Starf | installed it via apt-get |
| 10:38.51 | douglas- | ya can try backports.org techn9ne, they may have it. |
| 10:38.56 | Overand | Why does slashdot always look terrible in any browser i use on debian? is there a font i should have that I don't? |
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| 10:39.05 | Starf | is there anything else i have to do to it to let zencart use it for sending out emails to customers. |
| 10:39.06 | Obligatory | zoly: on my screen, with dialog v1.0-20050206-1, I see the selection in blue, with a flashing cursor, and the unselected choice in grey with a red letter. |
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| 10:39.12 | Starf | i asked in exim but noone is alive htere |
| 10:39.17 | techn9ne | douglas-: thanks |
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| 10:39.32 | douglas- | no problem tech |
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| 10:39.42 | douglas- | starf, screw exim and just run qmail. :) |
| 10:40.03 | Starf | douglas, i'll run anything that works with zencart |
| 10:40.05 | zoly | Obligatory: no flashes, no greyed out on the system i was just upgrading a few things |
| 10:40.10 | douglas- | zencart? |
| 10:40.12 | zoly | which isn't mine |
| 10:40.16 | Starf | www.zencart.com |
| 10:40.31 | Starf | e-commerce thing based on oscommerce but free |
| 10:40.33 | zoly | just red and blue |
| 10:41.00 | Starf | it needs a local mail server to be able to send out emails to customers |
| 10:41.22 | Obligatory | zoly: That is, "yes" is on a blue background, The 'Y' is flashing bright white, the 'es' is yellow. "No" has a grey background, the 'N' is red, the 'o' is dark grey. |
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| 10:41.25 | douglas- | where does it say you need to run exim for that? doesn't say it under the requirements. |
| 10:41.49 | Starf | douglas-, i never said it did, but thats the mailserver that debian installed by default when i set it up |
| 10:42.10 | zoly | Obligatory: you're a lucky man then |
| 10:42.22 | douglas- | default doesn't mean best :) |
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| 10:43.01 | Obligatory | zoly: what version of dialog do you use? |
| 10:43.02 | douglas- | http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html |
| 10:43.05 | douglas- | have fun |
| 10:43.06 | Starf | douglas-, ffs i never said it was best, it was what was there so i was going to try and use it as i didnt know of any others as mail server on linux is not something i have done before |
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| 10:43.16 | lord_rob | hi ! since i upgraded sid yesterday, all my x fonts look very very small, is there a broken font package ? |
| 10:43.22 | nome | hi |
| 10:43.36 | nome | how can i know the fs of a device? |
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| 10:43.40 | douglas- | starf, I hate exim, but your more then happy to use it, search google for howto exim. |
| 10:43.42 | Hugle | PerfDave: thanks . I'll google about GPG with symmetric encryption. |
| 10:43.47 | douglas- | it maybe easier to setup. |
| 10:43.49 | Obligatory | zoly: also is the problem in any old xterm and text terminal or just certain ones? |
| 10:43.51 | zoly | 0.9b-200404 is on that system |
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| 10:44.16 | PerfDave | Hugle: Or just read "man gpg" ;) |
| 10:44.21 | Starf | douglas-, i got no problem using qmail, i already said i would use anything that would od the job which was a hint for you to tell me aboutr qmail |
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| 10:44.55 | Obligatory | zoly: I'm running 'unstable'. |
| 10:45.04 | zoly | Obligatory: not xterm, i'm console sshelling to the systems |
| 10:45.15 | dobby_ | hello what is the easyest way to send mail in an internal lan. Is it possible to do that without a mail server? |
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| 10:45.25 | douglas- | go to that link starf. it should give ya all the stuff ya need to know. qmail maybe be over kill since all you want to do is send email out. although with spam prevention nowadays, a local mail server might not cut it. unless your forwarding mail to an upstream mail server to send it out. |
| 10:45.47 | zoly | Obligatory: the system i was just on is sid, but 60..70 % of updated packages on hold. therefore the older dialog |
| 10:46.00 | PerfDave | dobby_: Your machines need *a* mail server, though it can be a small one. |
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| 10:46.03 | douglas- | dobby_ what do you mean? |
| 10:46.12 | PerfDave | dobby_: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 10:46.21 | douglas- | somewhere the mail has to be stored. thus resulting in a mail server one way or another. |
| 10:46.45 | Starf | does debian install sendmail as standard? |
| 10:46.57 | zoly | Starf: nope. exim |
| 10:47.02 | Starf | ok |
| 10:47.05 | douglas- | thats like asking can a car move without an engine. Sure if you push it down a hill :) |
| 10:47.28 | nome | is there a unix comand that shows you the file system of a /dev/xxx? |
| 10:47.34 | dobby_ | i have a lan with 5 users, they are not connected to the internet. The users use the kontakt tool of kde. So if someone enter an appointment, the other user has to receive a mail. You understand what i mean? |
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| 10:47.53 | douglas- | ya need a mail server. |
| 10:48.12 | spo0nman | hmm any clue as to how do i run a gnome-applet? as in iv compiled it but ./applet just executes it i dont see anything in the panel. |
| 10:48.13 | Starf | agreed |
| 10:48.17 | Starf | still need a mail server |
| 10:48.25 | Starf | unless you used an instant messenging prog |
| 10:48.31 | dobby_ | i know that i need a mailserver, but which one is the easyest for that thing |
| 10:48.36 | douglas- | lol |
| 10:48.39 | douglas- | :) |
| 10:48.43 | PerfDave | dobby_: Configure a mail server on one machine, tell the other machines to forward mail to it, and to pull mail off it using IMAP. |
| 10:48.49 | douglas- | I like qmail, others like exim, and a few like sendmail. |
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| 10:48.56 | douglas- | its all in the eye of the beholder sorta thing. |
| 10:48.57 | PerfDave | dobby_: Use exim. it's the Debian default, easy to configure, will be fine for what you need. |
| 10:49.11 | zoly | dobby_: postfix has a pretty high followership, and is not difficult |
| 10:49.24 | Starf | wtf?!?!?! why does mysql-server rely on exim4? |
| 10:49.28 | douglas- | I forgot postfix, sorry. |
| 10:49.29 | PerfDave | Starf: It doesn't |
| 10:49.32 | zoly | *much* easier to configure than sendmail |
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| 10:49.39 | dobby_ | ok thank you guys ill google a little bit for exim and postfix ;-) |
| 10:49.42 | green_earz | nome: ls -l /dev | more may help ? |
| 10:49.48 | Gathond | Starf: it relies on exim4 OR an mta |
| 10:50.05 | nome | green_earz: thanks |
| 10:50.09 | Gathond | Starf: but it does depend on an MTA to be on the system |
| 10:50.11 | Starf | have i just lost all my mysql db's? |
| 10:50.15 | green_earz | np |
| 10:50.33 | PerfDave | Gathond: No, mysql-server depends on mailx, which depends on exim4 | mail-transport-agent |
| 10:50.49 | Gathond | PerfDave: ok, I stand corrected then :) |
| 10:50.50 | dobby_ | sorry other question does someone of you guys uses a scanner with gocr or somthing like that? I mean does the gocr really works? |
| 10:50.59 | PerfDave | Starf: You appear to have removed all your MTAs. |
| 10:51.00 | Obligatory | zoly: here's a somewhat later 'dialog' v0.9b-20040606-1 (i386) at: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=dialog&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 10:51.10 | douglas- | can someone help me figure out debian-src packages and how to edit them? I've read the howtos but I'm still confused as hella bout it. |
| 10:51.13 | Starf | have i just lost all my mysql db's? |
| 10:51.13 | Obligatory | zoly: it's only 2 months newer, but you never know... |
| 10:51.23 | Starf | i just apt-get installed mysql-server again |
| 10:51.26 | Starf | and its started |
| 10:51.31 | PerfDave | Starf: Probably not. |
| 10:51.39 | douglas- | starf prolly not, debian usually doesn't remove debians unless you explicitly tell it to remove the databases. |
| 10:51.48 | zoly | Obligatory: there's 1.0-200520 in the list of updated packages. maybe i upgrade to this one, to see whether it gets better |
| 10:51.48 | dvsdude | starf database live /var/lib/mysql normally |
| 10:51.49 | douglas- | debians=databases. |
| 10:51.49 | PerfDave | "debian usually doesn't remove debians"? |
| 10:51.56 | nome | green_earz: it doesn't show the fs name |
| 10:51.56 | douglas- | but I could be wrong. |
| 10:52.02 | douglas- | sorry perfdave, fat fingered. |
| 10:52.11 | Gathond | Starf: iirc mysql-server asks on the first install wether you want databases to be removed if you ever uninstall it (might be only on --purge) |
| 10:52.11 | Obligatory | zoly: if you can, go for it... |
| 10:52.19 | PerfDave | douglas-: For using Debian source packages, apt-get source, edit debian/rules, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:52.27 | douglas- | yea I did that perfdave. |
| 10:52.46 | douglas- | but when I do that it unpacks it from the orig.tar.gz and my rule files is overwritten. |
| 10:52.53 | PerfDave | douglas-: You should have a .deb which you can dpkg --install |
| 10:53.00 | PerfDave | douglas-: Hmm, weird. |
| 10:53.02 | douglas- | as in when I run buildpackage command. |
| 10:53.09 | Starf | they seem to be there phew |
| 10:53.21 | douglas- | it tells me its extracting it from orig.tar.gz and using the diff.gz file. |
| 10:53.23 | Starf | that was scary |
| 10:53.30 | zoly | Obligatory: the owner of that machine does fine :) i recommended him to not update just because new stuff becomes available, but put on hold, and pick the really desired/required updates. |
| 10:53.31 | Obligatory | zoly: hint, to test colors try running /usr/share/doc/dialog/examples/yesno2 |
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| 10:53.48 | zoly | he really sticks to it |
| 10:53.54 | green_earz | nome: look at the ends of the lines |
| 10:54.01 | douglas- | starf: Note to self, mysqldump before doing anything remote related to work on ya server :) |
| 10:54.30 | Starf | i did already :) |
| 10:54.35 | SlayerXP | real men don't do backups |
| 10:54.39 | Starf | --all-databases :) |
| 10:54.40 | douglas- | hahaha |
| 10:54.41 | zoly | now, thats a change. only blue selection, no more red. |
| 10:54.51 | SlayerXP | real men run mysql on top of reiserfs on top of software raid |
| 10:55.02 | Starf | SlayerXP, real men spend all day in the pub, because they got sacked for not backing up |
| 10:55.03 | Obligatory | zoly: better isn't it. |
| 10:55.08 | zoly | absolutely |
| 10:55.21 | zoly | i reckon somebody had similar problems before |
| 10:55.29 | Starf | apt-get installing sendmail which is itself removing exim |
| 10:55.34 | douglas- | slayerxp, ahh I run all that, and I still do packages. doing something stupid like uninstalling mysql or injecting some sql that fubars the database can happen. |
| 10:55.51 | douglas- | omg, I'm having issues typing today. |
| 10:56.04 | douglas- | and I still do backups is what I mean't there. |
| 10:56.23 | nome | green_earz: i don't see any fs name |
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| 10:56.42 | Obligatory | zoly: well that worked out. I must needs leave tho', bye all! |
| 10:56.47 | Starf | yeah i removed exim4 it was ok, removed exim4-config and didnt read all the packages being removed |
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| 10:57.00 | Starf | ok running sendmail now |
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| 10:57.08 | bfk42 | hello |
| 10:57.12 | bfk42 | i have a problem with sudo |
| 10:57.16 | piffero | hi there ... which fonts are available for rxvt? |
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| 10:57.26 | bfk42 | i have a php script in /var/www/ folder |
| 10:57.55 | bfk42 | which must execute the vpopmail script at /home/vpopmail/bin/vadduser |
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| 10:59.02 | piffero | I mean where do I find installed fonts available for rxvt on my system? |
| 10:59.09 | nome | is there someone using autofs? |
| 10:59.26 | kromagg | piffero: run xfontsel, use fndry "fixed" |
| 10:59.57 | nome | if yes i would just ask an if it's possible to use auto as fs for ext3 .... :P |
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| 11:00.46 | nome | !autofs |
| 11:00.46 | dpkg | hmm... autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting |
| 11:01.00 | piffero | kromagg: that's what I always do, but with font I usually have I got probelms with bold colored text |
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| 11:02.12 | kraftwerk | simpe question: if i make a debian-package and define the dependencies, and then install it: will apt just install MY defined dependencies, or also the dependencies of my defined dependencies, etc.? :-) |
| 11:02.19 | bfk42 | hmm |
| 11:03.01 | fedde | I compiled 2.6.8 on sarge and it seems getty is broken. Should I reinstall getty, and if so, how would I go about doing that? |
| 11:03.10 | lord_rob | kraftwerk> apt can solve dependencies recursively |
| 11:03.55 | kraftwerk | lord_rob: what means "can solve"... can I specify that it should or not? is it recommened to install dependencies recursively? |
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| 11:04.28 | kraftwerk | i mean after a while there would be a big chaos, if every package install its dependencies and so on... |
| 11:04.34 | douglas- | grr. |
| 11:04.44 | douglas- | pico perfdave you got a second? |
| 11:04.45 | douglas- | err |
| 11:04.53 | PerfDave | pico perfdave? I'm very small? |
| 11:05.10 | douglas- | ok I think I'm prolly gonna be done tonight since my brain is not functioning properly anymore |
| 11:05.10 | douglas- | sigh |
| 11:05.40 | douglas- | you ever get the feeling you contracted A.D.D from someone you work with? heh |
| 11:05.44 | PerfDave | kraftwerk: Uhm, if you didn't install dependencies recursively, then things wouldn't work. |
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| 11:07.12 | kraftwerk | PerfDave: ah ok... so if i install a package which uses qt and i give "qt" as a dependency, he would also install qt's dependencies and qt's dependencies-dependencies? :-P |
| 11:07.47 | Overand | hey |
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| 11:08.01 | Overand | i'm using XINE, and when i resize this video to anything other than 100%, i get really screwed up video |
| 11:08.01 | vulture | kraftwerk: everything necessary to install the package.. |
| 11:08.04 | vulture | it's quite simple |
| 11:08.10 | kraftwerk | ok that's all. :-) |
| 11:08.14 | kraftwerk | thanks for your help |
| 11:08.16 | kraftwerk | cya |
| 11:08.16 | Overand | nothing else is apparently working incorrectly on my system |
| 11:08.28 | PerfDave | kraftwerk: It would install everything it needed for Qt to work, otherwise there'd be no point. |
| 11:08.31 | directhex|work | Overand, nvidia? |
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| 11:08.38 | Overand | directhex|work: no, neomagic, old laptop |
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| 11:08.56 | directhex|work | Overand, what exactly looks wrong? |
| 11:09.05 | wishie | i have just installed woody onto this machine, and the network card isnt working..what is the easiest way to get it to work ? its an on-board intel lan card afaik (Gigabyte 8IG1000) |
| 11:09.18 | vulture | wishie: find the right kernel module and load it with modprobe |
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| 11:09.34 | vulture | wishie: if you aren't entirely sure of the chipset, use "lspci" (heck, use it anyway, just to verify) |
| 11:09.42 | wishie | i did that, its 'unknown' |
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| 11:09.56 | wishie | perhaps the bf24 kernel doesnt support my card ? |
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| 11:10.01 | Overand | directhex|work: it just scrambles very badly if i resize |
| 11:10.11 | douglas- | wishie, recompile the kernel and include the intel drives in the kernel? |
| 11:10.12 | vulture | wishie: what, exactly, said "unknown"? |
| 11:10.13 | Overand | apparent interlacing 'issues' and wrong colors |
| 11:10.16 | Overand | it's just *bad* |
| 11:10.18 | vulture | douglas-: just wait a sec |
| 11:10.25 | Overand | very scrambled. |
| 11:11.01 | Overand | i'm trying changing the video device, dxr3 now |
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| 11:11.48 | wishie | vulture: lspci says the following |
| 11:11.51 | directhex|work | Overand, that may help. also, consider mplayer |
| 11:12.19 | Overand | yeah. |
| 11:12.26 | Overand | VLC just dies when i try to do video, so that's not a good sign either |
| 11:12.27 | wishie | Ethernet Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown Device 1050 (rev 02) |
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| 11:12.49 | wishie | i think the card might be too new for the bf24 kernel |
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| 11:12.56 | wishie | this is a freshly installed system |
| 11:13.18 | green_earz | wishie: why not try a sarge install with the 2.6 kernel |
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| 11:13.31 | douglas- | ok fellas, I'm passing out. l8rz |
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| 11:14.03 | fedde | Sarge + 2.6.8 broke getty. Is this a config thing or should i reinstall getty? |
| 11:14.06 | wishie | cause i dont have a sarge dvd sitting here :P but yeah, i might download a sarge iso..is it frozen ? |
| 11:14.18 | directhex|work | base is. |
| 11:14.35 | directhex|work | !d-i wishie |
| 11:14.36 | dpkg | wishie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:14.48 | directhex|work | !tell wishie about woody hardware support |
| 11:15.20 | wishie | ok, i was gonna update to sid straight away anyway |
| 11:15.25 | wishie | thats why i want the lan card working..heh |
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| 11:16.32 | wishie | netinst is what i want ? |
| 11:16.39 | green_earz | wishie: or for the more cerrent sarge net installer http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ sarge-i386-netinst.iso 109 meg |
| 11:16.55 | Bouncy | has anyone here got web-cp working on a debian testing or stable server.? |
| 11:17.06 | wishie | i might try that..brb |
| 11:18.22 | PerfDave | fedde: Did you check the BS? |
| 11:18.24 | green_earz | wishie: when the netinstaller boots type linux26 and you will install the 2.6 kernel from the start |
| 11:18.28 | Overand | directhex|work: what font do you use for serif in your browser? |
| 11:18.28 | wishie | how long until sarge is frozen etc |
| 11:18.28 | PerfDave | fedde: the BTS, rather. |
| 11:18.36 | wishie | i want a DVD of sarge |
| 11:18.43 | PerfDave | wishie: You don't want to run Sid. |
| 11:18.44 | wishie | since my woody dvd is starting to get a bit dated |
| 11:18.56 | wishie | PerfDave: i always run sid. |
| 11:18.58 | PerfDave | Can you not download a Sarge DVD using jigdo? |
| 11:19.06 | PerfDave | wishie: Then why do you want a Sarge DVD? :) |
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| 11:19.20 | green_earz | wishie: the base of sarge is frozen |
| 11:19.21 | fedde | PerfDave: I'm not familiar with that acronym |
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| 11:19.42 | PerfDave | fedde: /msg dpkg bts |
| 11:19.44 | wishie | PerfDave: i usually install from the woddy dvd(or cd1) then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:19.51 | green_earz | wishie: check out ebay for sarge dvd |
| 11:20.01 | wishie | and i thought a sarge dvd would come in handy for all the lug meetings |
| 11:20.04 | PerfDave | wishie: If you're going to dist-upgrade, why do you want a DVD? |
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| 11:20.18 | PerfDave | wishie: It'll have a bunch of packages on that you're just going to have to replace from the 'net anyway. |
| 11:20.21 | Starf | hmmm |
| 11:20.23 | Starf | still not working |
| 11:20.56 | wishie | PerfDave: for example, ive never used this woody dvd to install my whole system, but my mates have |
| 11:21.03 | fedde | PerfDave: I'll check it out, thanks for not shooting me on sight ;) |
| 11:21.36 | wishie | 26mb done.. hurry up! |
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| 11:23.15 | green_earz | wishie: so you are downloading the sarge net installer. and remember linux26 and the 2.6 kernel will be install |
| 11:23.25 | PerfDave | wishie: There's no point in having a Sarge DVD either, because the packages will all have changed. |
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| 11:23.52 | wishie | green_earz: yeah, no worries |
| 11:24.11 | wishie | ive been holding on to my woody cd/dvd since i didnt think sarge was frozen at all |
| 11:24.11 | green_earz | ok |
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| 11:24.53 | wishie | PerfDave: once a version of debian is 'stable' its nice to have a DVD of it i think |
| 11:25.05 | green_earz | wishie: desktop or server use ? |
| 11:25.18 | wishie | i can lend it/copy it for my friends, and they can install, without a net connection, or if they are on dialup |
| 11:25.29 | wishie | green_earz: this machine ? desktop |
| 11:25.37 | wishie | i always run sid on my desktop machine..heh |
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| 11:26.19 | Starf | n00b question here, but why is running xchat as a root user stupid? |
| 11:26.47 | wishie | running anything as a root user (unless needed) is stupid |
| 11:26.58 | cec | wishie said it right |
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| 11:27.38 | Starf | wishie, so there is no particular reason for xchat displaying that message |
| 11:27.40 | beeblebrox87 | where could i find a tool for getting data off a formatted vfat partition? |
| 11:27.50 | Starf | apart from a general dont run anything as root |
| 11:27.55 | PerfDave | wishie: Yes, but Sarge isn't stable. |
| 11:27.56 | wishie | Starf: yes, its reason is to tell you you're stupid |
| 11:28.02 | cec | well just a warning i guess |
| 11:28.02 | wishie | and not to run it as root |
| 11:28.08 | zoly | beeblebrox87: dosfstools, mount |
| 11:28.17 | wishie | PerfDave: but it will be, at some point, right ? |
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| 11:28.20 | PerfDave | wishie: Yes |
| 11:28.28 | wishie | PerfDave: and thats when ill get the DVD of it |
| 11:28.29 | PerfDave | wishie: And when it is, DVDs of it will be available. |
| 11:28.46 | wishie | sorry, you thought i wanted a sarge dvd now ? |
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| 11:29.04 | PerfDave | Starf: If you run xchat, and it has a security hole, then it can be used to compromise your user data. If it has a security hole, and you're running as root, it can be used to compromise your entire system. |
| 11:29.20 | PerfDave | Starf: If it's got a bug, and is running as root, it can hose your entire system. |
| 11:29.27 | PerfDave | Starf: This is why running stuff as root is a bad idea. |
| 11:29.41 | beeblebrox87 | zoly: unfortunately, some idiot reformatted this partition, and now they want me to get their files back. dosfstools (fsck and mkfs) aren't capable of that alone. nor is mount |
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| 11:30.24 | zoly | beeblebrox87: misunderstanding. the way you've put the question suggested you wanted to read data off it |
| 11:31.12 | beeblebrox87 | well i do, just data that's not accessible with the fs that's on there at the moment |
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| 11:31.47 | paulswm | beeblebrox87: If the disk has been repartitioned only, you might stand a change, using something like gpart. If it has been formatted, then it's probably gone forever, but, in any case, that's a Microsoft related question. |
| 11:31.57 | paulswm | s/change/chance/ |
| 11:32.08 | rhalff | hi is anyone using innodb tables in mysql on debian testing ? I got a strange bug using limit. |
| 11:32.15 | rhalff | it returns to many rows. |
| 11:32.51 | zoly | beeblebrox87: i suppose those tools you are more likely to find with a system which uses vfat natively. |
| 11:33.15 | beeblebrox87 | paulswm: well, aside from the fact that i'm using linux and therefore couldn't use windows-only tools. but yeah, just felt obliged to ask a bunch of knowledgeable people before i gave this person their USB flash drive back and told them they were out of luck |
| 11:33.55 | Hugle | Is there a way to get all the PTR entries for specified dns server ? |
| 11:34.08 | Hugle | Is there a way to get all the PTR entries for specified domain, i mean |
| 11:34.13 | beeblebrox87 | ah well, thanks anyway |
| 11:34.21 | paulswm | beeblebrox87: I understand, I meant that MS might have an answer if one exists, but I think you're going to have to tell the flash drive owner that they screwed the pooch. |
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| 11:37.50 | the_g0d | hello, it's something strange with man.. i can't scrool throug it.. i can only press space for more... like one of the oldest versions... and i have unstable installed... why is that ? |
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| 11:38.12 | PerfDave | the_g0d: Did you check the BTS? |
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| 11:38.29 | PerfDave | Hugle: Zone transfer, if the server supports it and/or you have permission? |
| 11:38.32 | petemc | the_g0d: update-alternatives --config pager |
| 11:38.44 | the_g0d | PerfDave, excuse me, no.. i don't know what BTS is... |
| 11:39.13 | the_g0d | There is only 1 program which provides pager ... (/bin/more). Nothing to configure. |
| 11:39.24 | petemc | the_g0d: install less |
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| 11:40.22 | PerfDave | !bttsmite the_g0d |
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| 11:40.36 | PerfDave | !btsmite the_g0d |
| 11:40.40 | PerfDave | !btssmite the_g0d |
| 11:40.44 | PerfDave | Got it in the end ;) |
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| 11:41.16 | the_g0d | well it's my personal workstation and i need some newer pkgs |
| 11:41.39 | the_g0d | petemc, thanx, no it works |
| 11:41.55 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.41 | wishie | hmm, this sarge installer is strange, but nice |
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| 11:42.52 | PerfDave | wishie: Strange? |
| 11:43.07 | wishie | yeah, well, compared to the woody installer i mean |
| 11:43.17 | wishie | im so used to that, i could do it with my eyes closed pretty much |
| 11:43.43 | PerfDave | wishie: It's not much different, other than disk partitioning. |
| 11:44.10 | wishie | yeah, that confused me a bit |
| 11:44.15 | wishie | cause i went to rush through it |
| 11:44.29 | wishie | and it said "you havent selected a / partition" or something |
| 11:44.37 | wishie | and i thought "well, you havent asked me that question yet!" |
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| 11:45.14 | argv_ | hello... with sed -ne /regex1/,/regex2/p how do I avoid the line matching regex1 and regex2 to be printed? |
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| 11:45.33 | Hugle | PerfDave: I probably don't have;) But I already did a script to get a reverse of subnet of IP' |
| 11:45.44 | wishie | hmm, 61% for a while.. |
| 11:46.50 | wishie | ok, then it jumped to 77& |
| 11:46.53 | wishie | 77% too |
| 11:47.56 | wishie | ooer, grub by default |
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| 11:47.58 | wishie | i like |
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| 11:50.13 | directhex|work | it also has mod cons like 2.6 kernel, gnome 2.8, kde 3.3. not sure why you'd want to bother with sid really |
| 11:50.22 | zoyd | hi |
| 11:50.28 | zoyd | Is Christoph Haas here? |
| 11:50.39 | the_g0d | it is posible to make a cd of my debian install... so i can install it on other system with the exact pkgs's / config files i have on this box ? if yes where can i find a howto for that ? |
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| 11:51.16 | zoyd | anyone here's got debian packages of fyre? |
| 11:51.18 | wishie | the_g0d: ive done that before, the nasty way |
| 11:51.25 | wishie | well, 2 nasty ways |
| 11:51.39 | the_g0d | well... what are the nasty ways... |
| 11:51.42 | nvz | zoyd: whos that? a DD? |
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| 11:52.07 | zoyd | nvz: yeah |
| 11:52.17 | wishie | put your friends hard disk in, run dd if=/dev/yourdrive of=/dev/matesdrive |
| 11:52.22 | wishie | _nasty_ |
| 11:52.32 | PerfDave | the_g0d: Look at the package "replicator" |
| 11:52.47 | wishie | the other is cp -aRp your stuff to his, then use the rescue disk to boot the system, and install the bootloader |
| 11:52.50 | wishie | heh |
| 11:52.51 | nvz | zoyd: this channel is mostly users, asking and answering questions about debian.. very few developers hang here |
| 11:53.14 | elirips | hello people. it is out of topic, but maybe someone has an idea: i see that my laptop battery isn't working as good as it should anylonger (design capacity: 1280 mWh; last full capacity: 56410 mWh), does somebody know if that's just normal, or if i can do something to improve that again a little bit? |
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| 11:53.35 | theJackal | wishie: ive always wanted to know how to do that too... theres no good tuts anywhere |
| 11:53.36 | zoyd | nvz: oh |
| 11:53.40 | elirips | err, design capcity should be 71280 mWh |
| 11:53.40 | PerfDave | the_g0d, wishie: You can also AFAIK pre-seed d-i's debconf database using current system settings, which might be the best way to replicate a Sarge or Sid installation. |
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| 11:53.47 | nvz | zoyd: its the nature of GNU projects. |
| 11:54.06 | nvz | zoyd: people getting the coding and packaging done, dont sit around on IRC answering questions |
| 11:54.14 | zoyd | nvz: :) |
| 11:54.14 | theJackal | lol |
| 11:54.15 | nvz | for the most part |
| 11:54.24 | theJackal | bot frin' right too. |
| 11:54.24 | paulswm | only people with *no life* |
| 11:54.27 | paulswm | heh |
| 11:54.28 | theJackal | bout * |
| 11:54.31 | the_g0d | PerfDave, excuse me again, can you please repeat that in a more english way ? |
| 11:54.34 | nvz | they are getting thier shit done, and people like me are here answering the questions |
| 11:54.43 | EvanCarroll | the_g0d: want to kno0w my hella sexy way i just made |
| 11:54.57 | wishie | the_g0d, theJackal : ive even done a *cough* norton ghost *cough* image, and installed that on another pc |
| 11:54.58 | EvanCarroll | ok guys check out this l33tness. |
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| 11:55.03 | paulswm | !beer nvz |
| 11:55.07 | wishie | fair enough, in most cases, ive had to redo a kernel |
| 11:55.08 | theJackal | wishie: EWW! |
| 11:55.15 | Quais | hi |
| 11:55.16 | PerfDave | the_g0d: Repeat what? |
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| 11:55.21 | EvanCarroll | the_g0d: dpkg --get-selections | sed -e's/install//' | xargs apt-get install |
| 11:55.22 | EvanCarroll | boom |
| 11:55.27 | EvanCarroll | well... |
| 11:55.33 | VivekVC | cec: Hello |
| 11:55.49 | fedde | I get the INIT respawn error when booting my 2.6.8 kernel. I thought getty was broken, but when I ran 'getty 38400 tty' in single-user mode, it worked. It didn't work for any tty#'s though. Could I have removed the tty#'s by accident in the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 11:56.09 | Overand | how can i change mixer settings for something other than /dev/mixer (ie /dev/mixer1) ? |
| 11:56.11 | nvz | zoyd: they arent usually helpful to average users anyhow.. I talked to a few of them, like Tim Riker one time about bzflag.. turns out if you arent a programmer and working on their project you probably will need a translator to talk to them anyhow |
| 11:56.19 | EvanCarroll | you would aucutally dpkg --get-selections | sed -e's/install//' | xargs > boom |
| 11:56.38 | EvanCarroll | then you would feed boom to apt-get install =/ |
| 11:56.42 | EvanCarroll | on other machine |
| 11:56.43 | Overand | aumix doesn't seem to let me access anything othe than the default, /dev/mixer |
| 11:56.55 | EvanCarroll | Overand: alsamixer -c1 |
| 11:57.05 | Overand | i'm not using alsa, actually. |
| 11:57.13 | Overand | and i have no idea how to set it up =] |
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| 11:57.31 | EvanCarroll | Overand: ... what kernel version are you using? |
| 11:57.32 | Kerr | anyone know where i can get a skype deb? |
| 11:57.35 | wishie | ok, up to sid we go! |
| 11:57.39 | Overand | It was a pita just to get the proper module to load for this sound card, it detects the wrong card |
| 11:57.45 | Overand | 2.4.27 |
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| 11:57.59 | Blissex | Kerr: you can also convert an RPM to a DEB via alien... |
| 11:58.17 | EvanCarroll | Overand: Bah bah bah i give up i don't remember how to configure true OSS if thats what your using |
| 11:58.20 | Overand | Thinkpad 600E, many distros detect the wrong card, it's a cs4232, lspci shows it as a cs4600 |
| 11:58.22 | Quais | hey... how to I define tzconfig in preseed file ... I need to define Brazil (Sao_Paulo city) ? |
| 11:58.30 | wishie | eww, ive seen alien make some nasty debs..heh |
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| 11:58.36 | nvz | Kerr: you can go to their website :P if someone packaged it, apt-get.org might know |
| 11:58.44 | wishie | i think alien should only be used for extreme cases |
| 11:58.53 | theJackal | wishie: i concur |
| 11:58.57 | Blissex | wishie: Skype might be one of those extreme cases... |
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| 11:59.04 | nvz | around here aliens are mexican, and hired for cheap labor |
| 11:59.10 | theJackal | nah, ther'll be a packet for it |
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| 11:59.19 | EvanCarroll | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.24 | Blissex | wishie: it is not exactly free sw fore which one can do a nice package. |
| 11:59.26 | Overand | EvanCarroll: eh? |
| 11:59.33 | jamall | linux sucks |
| 11:59.37 | EvanCarroll | hw:(0,1) is the format as i remember |
| 11:59.38 | wishie | umm, skype is in apt |
| 11:59.43 | Overand | oh jesus |
| 11:59.47 | Overand | it's just aumix -d devicename |
| 11:59.54 | theJackal | !moron jamall |
| 11:59.55 | dpkg | jamall: You are moron #42 |
| 11:59.55 | Overand | i read the damn manpage like 3 times and missed it EACH TIME |
| 11:59.56 | vulture | jamall: clearly |
| 11:59.57 | Blissex | jamall: Linux sucks less :-) |
| 12:00.05 | EvanCarroll | Overand: then any program that cna use OSS can work as a mixer, XMMS, gxine, vlc (i think), gmplayer, etc |
| 12:00.08 | jamall | thejack asshole |
| 12:00.11 | nvz | jamall: this is the #debian hologram, please state the nature of your emergency |
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| 12:00.20 | wishie | skype - Voice-over-IP Client, dynamic linked |
| 12:00.21 | wishie | skype-static - Voice-over-IP Client, static linked |
| 12:00.36 | wishie | they are available in deb format from bootsplash.de |
| 12:00.42 | Blissex | wishie: fairly nice! |
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| 12:00.49 | fedde | Can anyone shed some light on my init/getty problem with 2.6.8 on sarge? |
| 12:00.54 | theJackal | !insult jamall |
| 12:00.55 | dpkg | jamall: Your mother was a HAMSTER, and your father smelt of ELDERBERRIES! |
| 12:00.56 | wishie | deb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main |
| 12:01.01 | wishie | that'll get you skype :) |
| 12:01.06 | jamall | its my opinion |
| 12:01.21 | Overand | jamall: so why do you feel the need to express it here? |
| 12:01.21 | jamall | thejack |
| 12:01.24 | theJackal | the insult is also my opininon. |
| 12:01.24 | Overand | And what aspect bothers you? |
| 12:01.28 | wishie | i happened to have that in my sources.list ..heh |
| 12:01.31 | Overand | The kernel? |
| 12:01.32 | jamall | why dont u go and fuck urself |
| 12:01.38 | ricky_clarkson | jamall: We do. |
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| 12:01.45 | Blissex | jamall: oh pls stop -- it is not funny. |
| 12:01.46 | theJackal | well, my backs not as flexible as it used to be.... |
| 12:01.48 | wishie | i would if i could..beats having to be nice to females :P |
| 12:01.50 | streuner_ | jamall: read the guidelines /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 12:01.52 | ricky_clarkson | jamall: Please register all formal complaints with /dev/null |
| 12:01.54 | Overand | jamall is a troll, so everyone should just /ignore |
| 12:02.05 | streuner_ | !guidelines |
| 12:02.05 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't repeat questions. Read and grow; show growth in new questions. 3) Reading technical documentation is a skill, please persevere, it's worth it. 4) If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later. 5) Please use /msg to talk to the bots. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood, not here. 8) Don't use colours or bold, do not run scripts. 9) No Trolls. 10) see <msg> |
| 12:02.13 | streuner_ | #6 |
| 12:02.14 | jamall | im going to flood ur ass |
| 12:02.15 | jamall | asshole |
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| 12:02.19 | nvz | heh |
| 12:02.21 | streuner_ | !ops |
| 12:02.21 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 12:02.38 | ricky_clarkson | !ops jamall needs to be banned for sexual harrassment and stating the obvious. |
| 12:02.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jamall needs to be banned for sexual harrassment and stating the obvious. |
| 12:02.39 | wishie | hmm, ill read the topic before i ask this question.. |
| 12:02.40 | paulswm | bye, bye, jamall, you will be leaving us soon |
| 12:02.48 | jamall | haha |
| 12:02.55 | jamall | i dont think so |
| 12:02.57 | Blissex | jamall: any useful contribution? |
| 12:03.02 | nvz | I wonder if helix edited that factoid |
| 12:03.20 | streuner_ | !factinfo ops |
| 12:03.20 | dpkg | ops -- last modified at Sat Jan 15 22:20:28 2005 by mentor!~matthew@mentor.user; it has been requested 18 times, last by streuner_, 59s ago. |
| 12:03.20 | ricky_clarkson | helix is a bunny-boiler. |
| 12:03.22 | theJackal | Q1 for jamall : asl |
| 12:03.24 | EvanCarroll | how ironic... |
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| 12:03.35 | Blissex | jamall: after all this channel is for helping people... |
| 12:03.42 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: somehow I doubt that |
| 12:03.51 | strubbel | Hi all :) |
| 12:03.54 | Overand | you guys are still feeding the troll. Why? |
| 12:04.12 | EvanCarroll | rule number 5) clearly states use MSG to talk to the bots, and yet ricky_clarkson is using public chat to message a bot, to message ops, to report another user for breaking rules |
| 12:04.16 | EvanCarroll | i find that funny anyway =/ |
| 12:04.17 | possie | anyone know how i can do persitent binding of scsi lun devices on linux? |
| 12:04.34 | ricky_clarkson | EvanCarroll: You're a fucking retard. |
| 12:04.45 | strubbel | an expect question: which value does exp_version return on error, or success? |
| 12:04.53 | ricky_clarkson | EvanCarroll: Using ops $1 in /msg would achieve nothing. It wouldn't highlight their IRC clients. |
| 12:05.03 | theJackal | ooh- ooh - -*waves hand in air* can I be a retard too? |
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| 12:05.27 | wishie | so, now having read the topic.. is X.org worth installing just yet ? |
| 12:05.29 | ricky_clarkson | theJackal: I hope so. |
| 12:05.40 | theJackal | *YAY!* |
| 12:05.41 | ricky_clarkson | topic |
| 12:05.41 | EvanCarroll | ,... thats fascinating i don't apreciate your lack of a sense of humor, or your inability to use squelch, go whine some where else. |
| 12:05.44 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 12:05.49 | elirips | what are tools with a nice gui to configure a 2.6.x kernel? i dont like menuconfig very much... |
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| 12:06.03 | wishie | xconfig ? |
| 12:06.05 | streuner_ | elrips: qtconfig - make xconfig |
| 12:06.07 | theJackal | the 2/6 kernels have thier own |
| 12:06.12 | ricky_clarkson | EvanCarroll: I wasn't whining. I have a great sense of humour. |
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| 12:06.22 | streuner_ | elirips: ^^^ |
| 12:06.33 | paulswm | EvanCarroll: why be such a pain in the ass, ricky_clarkson spends hours in here helping people for no reward and he doesn't need the grief of anal-retentive criticism |
| 12:06.34 | elirips | theJackal: and where do i get them from? |
| 12:06.37 | theJackal | in the src dir, either "make xconfig" or "make qtconfig" |
| 12:06.52 | theJackal | its part of the kernel source itself1 |
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| 12:06.54 | theJackal | ! |
| 12:06.54 | streuner_ | elirips: /msg dpkg xconfig |
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| 12:07.09 | amahbod | hello. |
| 12:07.15 | streuner_ | hi |
| 12:07.15 | elirips | okay, thanks for your help people :) |
| 12:07.22 | theJackal | and as for the X.org. im using it.. its all good. |
| 12:07.25 | streuner_ | You're welcome |
| 12:07.26 | amahbod | how can i view the size of a directory? |
| 12:07.34 | amahbod | (that has sub directories in it) |
| 12:07.34 | streuner_ | amahbod: man du |
| 12:07.42 | theJackal | du -sh |
| 12:07.46 | amahbod | awesome. |
| 12:07.48 | amahbod | thanks |
| 12:08.04 | Coax | is logrotating for apache2 automaticly enabled? if so how/where can i configure it? |
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| 12:08.13 | theJackal | also STRONGLY reccomend "filelight" |
| 12:08.15 | fedde | can anyone shed light on my init/getty problem with 2.6.8? getty doesn't seem to attach itself to tty#, only to tty (tested in single-user mode) |
| 12:08.18 | streuner_ | Coax: dpkg -L apache2 |
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| 12:08.24 | amahbod | thanks all |
| 12:08.26 | amahbod | im off to sleep |
| 12:08.27 | sanso | elirips, make-kpkg configure would be the debian way, AFAIK :-) |
| 12:08.33 | theJackal | filelight is the MEATYEST treesize on steroids |
| 12:08.44 | streuner_ | Coax: look there you can alter logrotate within the apache2 package for your needs |
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| 12:08.58 | EvanCarroll | because i point out its funny that he is talking to bots in the channel, and he calls me a 'fucking asshole' -- I'm not being a pain in the ass.... but watch, /ignore paulswm; /ignore ricky_clarkson -- i have no problems, now i don't have to gratify your over-reacting to an innocious comment, or involve anyone else. |
| 12:09.24 | elirips | sanso: going to leave that step ;) |
| 12:09.24 | ricky_clarkson | !say EvanCarroll should ignore everybody, or better yet, leave. |
| 12:09.25 | dpkg | EvanCarroll should ignore everybody, or better yet, leave. |
| 12:10.06 | orfeu | how i get with apt-get the source to build from a packege? |
| 12:10.17 | ricky_clarkson | orfeu: apt-get source packagename |
| 12:10.26 | streuner_ | orfeu: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:10.32 | EvanCarroll | !say rule number 5) has been violated. i will now call over_react(\&belittle); |
| 12:10.33 | dpkg | rule number 5) has been violated. i will now call over_react(\&belittle); |
| 12:10.43 | streuner_ | orfeu: too, it has an example how to use it |
| 12:10.56 | orfeu | thanks |
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| 12:11.44 | fedde | could i have compiled the 2.6.8 kernel without support for tty#'s other than 'tty' (is that even possible?)? |
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| 12:12.04 | panda | i got a .deb file, any idea to install it? |
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| 12:12.19 | toresbe | fedde: why on eeeearth would you want to do that? |
| 12:12.31 | fedde | well it wasnt my intention |
| 12:12.35 | theJackal | lol , dpkg -i pkgname.deb |
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| 12:12.44 | panda | thx! theJackal |
| 12:12.45 | fedde | but getty is not binding to anything except for tty |
| 12:12.49 | theJackal | wlcm :) |
| 12:12.49 | streuner_ | panda: dpkg -i foo.deb, but keep in mind apt-get is the best way to install debs... |
| 12:12.49 | Xemacs | <<< never installs .deb files, (i let apt-get do it for me) |
| 12:12.57 | wishie | anyone here using the unofficial X.org debs ? |
| 12:13.00 | EvanCarroll | fedde: you could disable getty or init 3-5 and get the same results =D |
| 12:13.04 | fedde | maybe it's because im testing it in single-user mode |
| 12:13.10 | theJackal | wishie: i built from CVS source :D |
| 12:13.20 | wishie | theJackal: what graphics card you got ? |
| 12:13.25 | theJackal | Ti4200 |
| 12:13.29 | EvanCarroll | panda: dpkg -i 'debfile.deb' |
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| 12:13.39 | wishie | is there hardware transparency? |
| 12:13.39 | panda | EvanCarroll, thx |
| 12:13.46 | theJackal | it appears so. |
| 12:13.53 | wishie | hmm, cool |
| 12:14.03 | theJackal | i can watch videos transparently.... if that means anything |
| 12:14.07 | nvd | Anyone here uses Nagios/Backports with Debian Stable? |
| 12:14.07 | wishie | theJackal: did you still have to install the nvidia drivers ? or the ones that came with X.org ? |
| 12:14.08 | ricky_clarkson | EvanCarroll: Are you aware that runlevels aren't used in the same way on Debian as on RedHat? |
| 12:14.25 | paulswm | evidently not |
| 12:14.34 | fedde | You don't understand, I'm not trying to have just one 'tty', I'm investigating why my 2.6.8 setup refuses to launch getty (it exits, respawns etc, then INIT shuts it up for five minutes) |
| 12:14.41 | theJackal | um, i was following the instructions I found somewhere, and it told me to use Nvidias installer and reinstall THIER drivers |
| 12:14.49 | Hugle | I can easily updload a file like : scp file.tgz user@host with no pass (I use ssh-keys) . How can I dawnload files whis this configuration? |
| 12:14.52 | theJackal | and i compiled it with XComposite |
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| 12:14.56 | wishie | fedde: i hade that problem ages ago. never figured out how to fix it |
| 12:15.07 | theJackal | its no more unstable than ordinary X... |
| 12:15.18 | fedde | wishie: so you reinstalled? |
| 12:15.27 | streuner_ | Hugle: wget? |
| 12:15.32 | theJackal | (ordinary X is still a dangerous whore when Mplayers in the room) |
| 12:15.33 | wishie | fedde: no, ive still got the problem on one of my machines |
| 12:15.40 | Hugle | streuner_, I need secure copy |
| 12:15.45 | wishie | this machine's hard disk crashed not long ago, so im installing now.. |
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| 12:16.06 | fedde | wishie: ok, that sucks. i'm out of ideas :< |
| 12:16.08 | Quais | hey... how to I define tzconfig in preseed file ... I need to define Brazil (Sao_Paulo city) ? |
| 12:16.12 | possie | i using devfs a good thing? |
| 12:16.12 | kneet | Hugle, scp should be able to copy both ways |
| 12:16.16 | theJackal | um, tried lftp? |
| 12:16.17 | possie | s/i/is |
| 12:16.24 | wishie | theJackal: so you'd recommend X.org ? or not ? |
| 12:16.36 | theJackal | i like it.. it is much faster for somethings |
| 12:16.36 | ricky_clarkson | Quais: dpkg-reconfigure timezones (I think) |
| 12:16.43 | fedde | Hugle: scp user@host:/path/to/file . ? |
| 12:16.45 | wishie | ill give it a go then i guess |
| 12:16.48 | theJackal | its especially good with the latest Fluxbox |
| 12:16.52 | streuner_ | Quais: why does 'tzconfig' shouldn't work? |
| 12:16.54 | Hugle | kneet, I belieave it does.. but how ?;/ |
| 12:17.06 | theJackal | the latest flux is like, the ONLY wm to handle transparency. |
| 12:17.17 | wishie | Xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled. Don't |
| 12:17.17 | wishie | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.18 | wishie | hmm |
| 12:17.26 | wishie | thats what dpkg thinks.. |
| 12:17.36 | Quais | streuner_ I need put this config in preseed file.... |
| 12:17.37 | theJackal | its really not too bad now... |
| 12:17.45 | Hugle | fedde, I'll try - thanks |
| 12:17.58 | theJackal | you only get video corruption in "xcomposite" mode occasionally. |
| 12:18.19 | theJackal | it just slows down dragging windows thats all.. |
| 12:18.26 | paulswm | I have never seen anything fill up a vacuum so fast and still suck. -- Rob Pike, on X |
| 12:18.27 | Quais | this line work (base-config tzconfig/choose_country_zone/BR select East) ... but I need set the America/ Sao Paulo |
| 12:18.46 | theJackal | lol |
| 12:18.56 | fedde | is there a way to install sarge with 2.6.8 directly? |
| 12:19.05 | paulswm | :D |
| 12:19.10 | theJackal | instead of linux at the installer, type linux26 |
| 12:19.12 | fedde | with hopes of getting getty to work |
| 12:19.21 | fedde | ok |
| 12:19.24 | fedde | thanks! |
| 12:19.33 | khanman | yeah id like to know that too actually |
| 12:19.34 | theJackal | that will boot you in a 2.6 kernel.. instead of a 2.4 |
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| 12:19.52 | EvanCarroll | Quais: tzselect |
| 12:20.03 | khanman | tnx jackal |
| 12:20.05 | fedde | and how would i specify it to install the 2.6 kernel on my system? |
| 12:20.07 | theJackal | welcome :) |
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| 12:20.30 | resiak | fedde: It will just do it if you boot with linux26 |
| 12:20.40 | fedde | ah ok, sounds good, thanks! |
| 12:20.42 | theJackal | when you select the 2.6 mode, you get a LOT more install options, like XFS/JFS/RiserFS (STABLE!) |
| 12:21.01 | theJackal | it is all good :D |
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| 12:21.04 | Starf | all workign |
| 12:21.05 | Starf | :) |
| 12:21.06 | Quais | EvanCarroll any doc.. about tzselect + preseed ? |
| 12:21.16 | khanman | you guys reccomending the 2.6 kernel then over the 2.4? |
| 12:21.33 | ricky_clarkson | Quais: What was wrong with dpkg-reconfigure timezones? |
| 12:21.35 | Kiz`met | i bloody cant live without the 2.6 kernel |
| 12:21.38 | khanman | i have about 4 kernel images in my grub |
| 12:21.46 | EvanCarroll | Quais: tzselect is just the app i have always used to set timzones works for me =/ man tzselect |
| 12:21.49 | Starf | i use 2.4 |
| 12:21.52 | jim | fedde: getty is used to run the virtual consoles... look at inittab for how this is accomplished |
| 12:22.02 | khanman | is 2.6 faster though? |
| 12:22.02 | ricky_clarkson | !say Debian is not RedHat, EvanCarroll |
| 12:22.03 | dpkg | Debian is not RedHat, EvanCarroll |
| 12:22.11 | Kiz`met | Starf mebbe you should apt-get upgrade |
| 12:22.22 | fedde | jim, i did, but i can't find out why it won't 'bind' (?) to those consoles |
| 12:22.36 | paulswm | fedde: It woon't give you the latest one, though, so after install you may want to 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6|grep ^kernel-image' and pick another, grub will keep your original kernel as a backup just in case |
| 12:22.41 | EvanCarroll | wtf, who ever is spewing stupid crap at dpkg shut up, im well aware debian is not redhat |
| 12:22.45 | Starf | Kiz`met, i do, but it wont upgrade the kernel to 2.6 |
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| 12:22.54 | Kiz`met | Starf why not ? |
| 12:22.57 | theJackal | 2.4 sucks for most things... |
| 12:23.04 | jim | because something is already binding to them? (specifically a getty :) |
| 12:23.08 | Starf | theJackal, like? |
| 12:23.13 | EvanCarroll | I don't even runhat anymore nore have i in along time. |
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| 12:23.16 | fedde | jim, how could that be? |
| 12:23.22 | Skaag | which package is the 'y' utility a part of? |
| 12:23.26 | paulswm | !ricky_clarkson++ |
| 12:23.26 | Kiz`met | well im not using 2.5 :P |
| 12:23.28 | fedde | jim, this happens at the end of runlevel 2 |
| 12:23.31 | jim | look at /etc/inittab |
| 12:23.37 | theJackal | like SATA |
| 12:23.37 | Skaag | i'm obviously having a hard time finding the package with apt-cache... ;-) |
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| 12:23.42 | toresbe | Starf: There is barely a feature unimproved in the 2.6 series |
| 12:23.43 | theJackal | and CDBURNING |
| 12:23.45 | PerfDave | Skaag: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:23.55 | jim | wait, I'm not sure I understand... what are you trying to do? |
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| 12:24.06 | EvanCarroll | and if that was some snide remark at tzselect being redhat, its debian. |
| 12:24.07 | Starf | toresbe, "if it aint broke, dont fix it |
| 12:24.09 | toresbe | Starf: better drivers, cd burning has been unkludged, wayway better performance |
| 12:24.10 | [CB]Kajab | interesting, really interesting... |
| 12:24.10 | Starf | " |
| 12:24.14 | fedde | jim, inittab looks fine |
| 12:24.32 | toresbe | Starf: Linux is broke |
| 12:24.32 | jim | have you looked at how getty is called? |
| 12:24.34 | Kiz`met | Starf :: :: :: still mebbe you have security holes :P |
| 12:24.35 | Starf | toresbe, problem is i am running a live e-commerce system on a unstable release of debian. |
| 12:24.37 | fedde | jim, i'm just trying to get 2.6.8 to boot on Sarge |
| 12:24.40 | toresbe | Starf: It will never be fixed :P |
| 12:24.41 | theJackal | starf: it probably wont let you upgrade to 2.6 cos all you base system depends on 2.4 |
| 12:24.53 | toresbe | Starf: What are you, crazy?!? |
| 12:24.55 | EvanCarroll | Alright your unignored ricky -- now explain your comment to dpkg? why did you just say debian isn't redhat? |
| 12:24.56 | Starf | theJackal, i can upgrade to 2.6 using install |
| 12:24.59 | Quais | ricky_clarkson this doesn't have wrong .... I only need know the exactly line to define in mye preseed file ... understand ?! |
| 12:25.05 | [CB]Kajab | does anyone here knows how could i run a web-server that allows me to let's say terminate or start different applications ON the server like a teamspeak or ventrilo server? |
| 12:25.09 | ricky_clarkson | EvanCarroll: Afaik, the standard way is to use dpkg-reconfigure timezones |
| 12:25.09 | [CB]Kajab | asd |
| 12:25.12 | fedde | jim, "/sbin/getty 38400 tty#" where # is 1-6 |
| 12:25.15 | jim | oh, how is that related to getty? I'm still not sure I understand... did you build this 2.6.8? |
| 12:25.26 | EvanCarroll | ricky_clarkson: On my debian machine dpkg -l | grep timezones yeilds nothing. |
| 12:25.27 | fedde | jim, yep, i built it |
| 12:25.29 | paulswm | Not to mention the runlevel thing, ricky_clarkson |
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| 12:25.31 | Starf | toresbe, possibly.... it was already built for something else before they wanted to dev a ecommerce site on it then they said just put it live.... |
| 12:25.39 | ricky_clarkson | EvanCarroll: And the runlevel thing earlier doesn't apply to Debian afaik because Debian doesn't use particular runlevels for X. |
| 12:25.44 | Starf | so sticking with a 2.4 kernel for now seems like a good idea |
| 12:25.45 | jim | fedde: and when you boot, what bad thing happens? |
| 12:25.54 | toresbe | Starf: shudder |
| 12:26.03 | toresbe | Starf: no it doesn't. :P |
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| 12:26.19 | toresbe | Starf: just google for benchmarks, I'm tired |
| 12:26.22 | fedde | jim, everything is fine untill init spawns the gettys |
| 12:26.32 | theJackal | ok, anybody know an easy way to configure magic-sysrq keys? |
| 12:26.39 | Starf | toresbe, how stable is the current 2.6 kernel in the unstable release? |
| 12:26.46 | fedde | jim, they quit after a bit, without displaying anything, and so init respawns them |
| 12:26.49 | theJackal | its solid as a rock... |
| 12:26.50 | Kiz`met | Starf :: :: :: thats why you get a friendly linux person to mirror the site for you while you upgrade |
| 12:26.58 | jim | fedde: ok... possibly, you forgot to compile in support for virtual consoles? |
| 12:26.59 | toresbe | Starf: very stable |
| 12:27.01 | theJackal | X is the most dangerous thing in linux., |
| 12:27.01 | EvanCarroll | ricky_clarkson: he said he wanted to disable ttys and afaik (maybe not though) debian views runlevels 3-5 as multiuser w/ getty while runlevel 1 is root only without, which i thought would answer his question =/ was wrong |
| 12:27.07 | Kiz`met | Starf :: :: :: im running it in a production server, not a hitch |
| 12:27.11 | Kiz`met | 2.6.10-1 |
| 12:27.14 | fedde | jim, i was wondering about that, but what kernel option would that be? |
| 12:27.15 | Kiz`met | K7 that is |
| 12:27.25 | Starf | Kiz`met, your production server is unstable releasE? |
| 12:27.30 | Kiz`met | Starf yes |
| 12:27.33 | jim | not sure... are you using kernel-package? |
| 12:27.37 | toresbe | Kiz`met: what kind of lame thing is that ":: :: ::" thingie? |
| 12:27.41 | fedde | jim, yep |
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| 12:27.45 | Starf | whats hte command to get kernel ver again |
| 12:27.50 | toresbe | Starf: uname --help |
| 12:27.51 | Kiz`met | Starf its some script my brother installed |
| 12:27.53 | ricky_clarkson | EvanCarroll: Fair enough, I must have misread. |
| 12:27.53 | Starf | thats it |
| 12:28.05 | fedde | jim, and im sure getty isn't broken; 'getty 38400 tty' works in single user mode |
| 12:28.08 | jim | ok, your config file and the config file of other kernels you have installed are in /boot |
| 12:28.09 | [CB]Kajab | http://213.215.194.158/ <-- someone knows how i can run something like this? |
| 12:28.12 | Starf | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 12:28.13 | Kiz`met | Linux animal 2.6.10-1-k7 #1 Tue Jan 18 04:03:27 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:28.29 | ricky_clarkson | Windows XP Pro SP1. |
| 12:28.31 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 12:28.32 | fedde | jim, thanks, i'll compare them |
| 12:28.46 | Starf | Kiz`met, so you all reckon i should update to 2.6.x on sid? |
| 12:28.52 | Kiz`met | yer |
| 12:28.54 | jim | fedde: that's possibly because /dev/tty is specially created in single-user mode? |
| 12:29.01 | Kiz`met | Starf yer may as well |
| 12:29.10 | Starf | whats so bad about 2.4.27 then |
| 12:29.15 | Kiz`met | Starf unless you have a sata raid ? |
| 12:29.18 | jim | was that monica? |
| 12:29.19 | EvanCarroll | [CB]Kajab: im not sure what your asking... you want to create a webfront to administer games? or you want to run that web front end on your server. |
| 12:29.19 | Starf | no |
| 12:29.22 | fedde | jim, i'm not sure, but a 'ls /dev/' shows 'tty' as the only tty thing around |
| 12:29.23 | Kiz`met | Starf :: :: :: its old |
| 12:29.27 | Starf | and |
| 12:29.31 | Starf | so is irc |
| 12:29.41 | jim | fedde: are you running devfs? |
| 12:29.42 | PerfDave | If 2.4.27 works, then use it. |
| 12:29.44 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: ## |
| 12:29.46 | Kiz`met | Starf :: :: :: im sure irc is old, but its fairly stable |
| 12:29.46 | fedde | jim, then again /dev is rather empty in single-user mode |
| 12:29.49 | [CB]Kajab | EvanCarroll want to make a webfront on mu linux that permits me to terminate or start different servers |
| 12:29.50 | theJackal | juck.. devfs... |
| 12:29.53 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Sorry? |
| 12:29.57 | fedde | jim, yes and it's supposed to start at bootup |
| 12:29.58 | Starf | PerfDave, well tbh i been running sid at home for 2yrs and not had any issues with things breaking |
| 12:30.07 | jim | which it seems to. |
| 12:30.11 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: ##debian, resiak said. |
| 12:30.14 | Starf | Kiz`met, and isnt 2.4.27? |
| 12:30.18 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: And corrected himself |
| 12:30.20 | fedde | jim, im not sure how to check for that |
| 12:30.21 | theJackal | Kajab: webmin |
| 12:30.32 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, nm. |
| 12:30.32 | PerfDave | Starf: Sid doesn't break often, but when it does, it breaks hard. And it doesn't get security updates. |
| 12:30.37 | fedde | jim, i come from a gentoo environment so i've always been using devfs |
| 12:30.39 | jim | when you boot normally, are there virtual consoles in /dev? |
| 12:30.39 | Kiz`met | Starf :: :: :: i guess so. but are you wanting performance out of your server |
| 12:30.40 | EvanCarroll | [CB]Kajab: thats a question that is way way way out of scope, meaning that your asking a question so incredably broad no one will know where to begin helping you |
| 12:30.53 | Starf | Kiz`met, not really atm.... |
| 12:30.53 | theJackal | WEBMIN |
| 12:30.59 | wishie | hmm |
| 12:31.00 | fedde | jim, i cant check, on normal boot i never get a login screen ;) |
| 12:31.14 | PerfDave | Kiz`met: You will probably get better performance on a server from a 2.4 kernel than a 2.6 one. |
| 12:31.14 | theJackal | or make a php script that executes |
| 12:31.15 | Starf | Kiz`met, i mean is it like 50% performance increase? |
| 12:31.18 | Kiz`met | Starf :: :: :: fair enough, if im around when you want to do the change i would be glad to mirror the site for you |
| 12:31.28 | jim | ok, it seems like you don't have vc support or something that needs it built |
| 12:31.28 | EvanCarroll | [CB]Kajab: all i can suggest is: perl. or search for apache modules |
| 12:31.43 | Starf | Kiz`met, its ok i will just take it offline |
| 12:31.43 | [CB]Kajab | theJackal: webmin has pre-configure modules, i want to have control over 2 processes of my choiche. |
| 12:31.43 | theJackal | 2.6 has a better TCPIP stack |
| 12:31.45 | Kiz`met | PerfDave look at the benchmarks |
| 12:31.50 | Starf | PerfDave, a load of people in here slating the 2.4 saying 2.6 is more stable and a lot faster |
| 12:31.53 | jim | as you suspect, getty works fine |
| 12:31.53 | Starf | who to believe |
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| 12:31.56 | fedde | jim, i'll look for that in the config file. you don't happen to know (part of) the directive? |
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| 12:32.24 | jim | hmm... no... |
| 12:32.26 | PerfDave | Starf: *shrug* IME, 2.6 is much less stable. It's faster on desktops (or at least, more responsive) but not faster on servers. |
| 12:32.39 | fedde | jim, ok, i'll have to spend some time reading then ;p |
| 12:32.46 | jim | only reason I know this much is by listening to you |
| 12:33.04 | Kiz`met | PerfDave i couldnt disagree more... it is much more stable on my Production server, and a hell of alot faster. |
| 12:33.11 | jim | and drawing conclusions based on that too |
| 12:33.12 | PerfDave | Kiz`met: YMMV :) |
| 12:33.28 | Kiz`met | PerfDave :: :: :: meh :p |
| 12:33.36 | PerfDave | Kiz`met: And that :: thing is really fucking lame too. |
| 12:33.37 | fedde | jim, yeah, my only two options were the kernel or maybe an entry in /dev/ |
| 12:33.45 | TheTom | i got ALL ALL=NOPASSWD: SHUTDOWN in my /etc/sudoers , but still i have to type a pass to shut down |
| 12:33.49 | Kiz`met | PerfDave i cant help it my brother installed it |
| 12:33.52 | Starf | PerfDave, what you running release wise? |
| 12:33.54 | [CB]Kajab | can a PHP script execute programs on teh server? or it can just run php scripts? |
| 12:34.01 | EvanCarroll | I agree with Kiz'met on that one. =/ |
| 12:34.03 | Starf | Kiz`met, what release you runing |
| 12:34.17 | Kiz`met | [CB]Kajab php can run system query's |
| 12:34.23 | PerfDave | Starf: I'm running Woody on all my production servers, Sarge on my desktops. I still have Sid on one desktop, but that's because I haven't gotten round to reinstalling it with Sarge. |
| 12:34.40 | Kiz`met | Starf :: :: :: Linux animal 2.6.10-1-k7 #1 Tue Jan 18 04:03:27 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux, Debian 3.1 |
| 12:34.42 | jim | you are agreeing that his brother installed it? :) |
| 12:34.52 | Starf | woody = stable, sarge = testing, sid = unstable..... yes\? |
| 12:34.55 | ricky_clarkson | I don't own any production servers. I use sid on my desktop machines. |
| 12:34.59 | PerfDave | Starf: Yes |
| 12:35.02 | ricky_clarkson | Starf: Currently. |
| 12:35.02 | [CB]Kajab | Linux barney 2.6.8 #4 Mon Jan 17 10:45:34 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:35.06 | PerfDave | Starf: I'm going to be running Sarge on one production server, but only because I need 64 bit for addressing >4Gb RAM |
| 12:35.06 | EvanCarroll | 2.6.10-rc3 now has ~3 different i/o algos, and preemptable support, numerious fixes, and by my understanding superior support for 64bit chips =/ |
| 12:35.07 | theJackal | im using unstable + experimental :D |
| 12:35.09 | sanso | TheTom, how is shutdown defined? have You tried 'sudo shutdown'? |
| 12:35.20 | ricky_clarkson | [CB]Kajab: CYGWIN_NT-5.1 OWNER-AIHGOODKN 1.5.9(0.112/4/2) 2004-03-18 23:05 i686 unknown unknown Cygwin |
| 12:35.27 | Starf | theJackal, i dont go that far, just unstable |
| 12:35.40 | Kiz`met | [CB]Kajab :: :: :: <? system('ping -c 4 google.com'); ?> |
| 12:35.47 | Starf | and do apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade every montgh |
| 12:35.47 | theJackal | nah, experimentals not bad.. |
| 12:35.56 | Kiz`met | Starf :: :: :: i have not had a crash on my server yet |
| 12:36.00 | TheTom | sanso: i have this line also Cmnd_Alias SHUTDOWN = /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/halt, /sbin/reboot |
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| 12:36.19 | theJackal | i only get -hard-to-escape-X-deaths- |
| 12:36.20 | ricky_clarkson | Sid being unstable doesn't mean that it's prone to crashing. |
| 12:36.31 | ricky_clarkson | It's unstable in that it keeps moving. |
| 12:36.36 | Kiz`met | ricky_clarkson not really, its just bleeding edge |
| 12:36.37 | Starf | yeah |
| 12:36.41 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: And when it fucks up, it *really* fucks up ;) |
| 12:36.42 | theJackal | which i get in stable anyway.. so theres no matter |
| 12:36.50 | Starf | Kiz`met, nah experimental is bleeding edge |
| 12:36.51 | sanso | TheTom, so now's the time to type 'sudo shutdown' :-) |
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| 12:36.52 | Starf | :) |
| 12:36.56 | Kiz`met | Starf :: :: :: ok |
| 12:37.04 | theJackal | experimental ~=~ cvs |
| 12:37.08 | Kiz`met | meh, this :: thing is getting annoying |
| 12:37.11 | jim | why so many :::? |
| 12:37.15 | sanso | TheTom, s/shutdown/\/sbin\/shutdown/g |
| 12:37.43 | resiak | Kiz`met: Turn off the damned script. |
| 12:38.01 | Starf | Kiz`met, why all the :: :: :: |
| 12:38.02 | ricky_clarkson | We just need another apt-get bug in sid to make people think twice about using it, perhaps. :) |
| 12:38.12 | theJackal | kiz'met.. you must be clicking on users to reply to, the script cant be that smart |
| 12:38.15 | TheTom | sanso: yeah, :) well, can i have gdm use sudo? that's the prob. when someone here wants to shut down this noisy machine if i'm not home and forgot to turn her off |
| 12:38.16 | PerfDave | Testing is cutting edge, Unstable is bleeding edge, Experimental is arterial spurting edge. |
| 12:38.20 | jim | he doesn't like them either, iiuc |
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| 12:38.34 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: libc! |
| 12:38.34 | resiak | !PerfDave++ |
| 12:38.55 | theJackal | hmm, if thats the case... SLIT ME OPEN DOC! |
| 12:38.59 | Starf | anyway back to the kernel arguements, number of people for and against me upgrading our ecommerce server from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 12:39.01 | Starf | on sid |
| 12:39.04 | Kiz`met | theJackal :: :: :: nope i just type |
| 12:39.05 | ricky_clarkson | slitmeopen.doc |
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| 12:39.10 | Kiz`met | <User> <message> |
| 12:39.11 | theJackal | wierd... |
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| 12:39.15 | Kiz`met | and it does the rest |
| 12:39.18 | jim | I didn't like tab completion the way it was working |
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| 12:39.21 | theJackal | spell things wrong then :) |
| 12:39.25 | Kiz`met | lol |
| 12:39.28 | Kiz`met | fair enough |
| 12:39.29 | wishie | where can i get the kernel-source package for the 2.6.8-2.386 that comes on the sarge netinst cd ? |
| 12:39.30 | Akrame | Hi all debians users |
| 12:39.35 | Akrame | i'm using knoppix |
| 12:39.37 | sanso | TheTom, wrapper-script? |
| 12:39.44 | PerfDave | Starf: If you're running a production server on Sid, you're already beyond help, so do what you awnt :) |
| 12:39.45 | ricky_clarkson | Akrame: #knoppix |
| 12:39.46 | drac | Akrame: so join #knoppix, and part #debian |
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| 12:39.46 | theJackal | aaah.. knoppix bot... |
| 12:40.00 | Akrame | :) |
| 12:40.01 | strubbel | does anyone still use expect or am i out of time again? |
| 12:40.02 | EvanCarroll | drac: hahahaha nice greeting |
| 12:40.03 | Akrame | bye all |
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| 12:40.09 | jim | ricky_clarkson: don't be so quick to throw out |
| 12:40.10 | Delgul_at_work | anyone with experience with slapd? |
| 12:40.11 | fedde | jim, everything like 'CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y' and CONFIG_VT=y is in my config :/ |
| 12:40.13 | Kiz`met | Starf i would say 2.6, but thats just me. i havent had a problem yet. i only use 2.6 for its nice IPv6 Stuffs, and the Sata stuff that works better |
| 12:40.14 | drac | EvanCarroll: I think so too :) |
| 12:40.28 | ricky_clarkson | jim: I didn't suggest he parted #debian. |
| 12:40.33 | jim | fedde: hmm... wonder what's going on |
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| 12:40.42 | TheTom | sanso: huh? what's a wrapper script? also, i tried tom _ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL_ , but i still get asked for password |
| 12:40.52 | jim | ricky_clarkson: but your tone did :) |
| 12:40.54 | theJackal | yeah... i run off sata.. 2.4 wont even work on my sata... |
| 12:40.57 | fedde | jim, what steps should be taken after upgrading a kernel? |
| 12:41.11 | theJackal | 1) stop pulling hair out |
| 12:41.12 | Kiz`met | theJackal thus run 2.6 :) |
| 12:41.13 | fedde | jim, i followed some guide online, written for 2.6.6 |
| 12:41.16 | ricky_clarkson | jim: <deep><scary>#knoppix</scary></deep> |
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| 12:41.22 | jim | he might have wanted to say something :) |
| 12:41.24 | kneet | Delgul_at_work, what's the issue with slapd? |
| 12:41.31 | jim | nuff said, I think |
| 12:41.36 | Kiz`met | 2) upgrade to 2.6 : |
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| 12:41.38 | k-man | i seem to be having trouble getting X to load my .xmodmap file when it starts |
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| 12:41.53 | k-man | what is the debian way of telling X to run xmodmap when it starts x? |
| 12:41.53 | Gumby | hello all. I've made a mistake and created a filename -filename.conf and when I try and do anything with that file I get an error because of the leading "-" I've tried putting it in quotes but that doesnt work. Can anyone suggest anything |
| 12:41.59 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Fair point, I probably should have said that #knoppix is the appropriate place to talk about Knoppix. What's your Debian question? |
| 12:42.01 | theJackal | some X' |
| 12:42.06 | Delgul_at_work | kneet: I cant get it to log. Put the loglevel to 2048 but I get nothing apart from starting and stopping messages in the syslog... |
| 12:42.13 | resiak | Gumby: mv -- -filename filename |
| 12:42.14 | fedde | Gumby, rm -rf -- -filename ? |
| 12:42.14 | paulswm | Gumby: put a backslash in front of the - |
| 12:42.19 | theJackal | some X installs overwrite it with a secondary script. |
| 12:42.20 | resiak | Gumby: The -- means end-of-arguments |
| 12:42.47 | jim | fedde: hmmm... if it's not vc support, what could be missing? |
| 12:42.56 | fedde | jim, you tell me :D |
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| 12:43.06 | valdyn | Gumby: rm "\-filename.conf" |
| 12:43.09 | Gumby | resiak: thank you |
| 12:43.23 | resiak | Gumby: Not a problem. -- works for just about every program. |
| 12:43.35 | Delgul_at_work | kneet: any ideas? |
| 12:43.38 | jim | can you go in single user mode and look at /var/log/messages (?) and see what the last normal boot looked like? |
| 12:43.42 | kneet | Delgul_at_work, strange - I have it running on woody - loglevel 8 - that works - is it just entry parsing that won't log or is it any of the log levels? |
| 12:44.05 | Delgul_at_work | kneet: any...but I will try 8 now. |
| 12:44.05 | jim | is it messages, syslog, klog that shows the boot messages? |
| 12:44.13 | lucox | hi all, we want to build a debian local mirror for the college network, i want to know how much disk space will we need for the woody+sarge+sid ? can give me anybody advices ? |
| 12:44.46 | valdyn | lucox: which arch? |
| 12:44.46 | fedde | jim, i did that, the only normal boots are the 2.4 ones |
| 12:44.46 | PerfDave | lucox: Why make a full mirror? Just use apt-proxy ;) |
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| 12:44.53 | jim | so you never get 2.6 boots in the syslog? |
| 12:44.53 | fedde | jim, i couldnt find any interesting info in messages |
| 12:44.57 | PerfDave | lucox: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 12:45.12 | Deffie | i'am using a p4 1.6 ghz and i seen "found SMP MP-table at 000f4da0" in the dmesg then i looked at cpuinfo's flags and i seen "ht" which may mean hyperthreading, do i have to enable smp support in the kernel ? |
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| 12:45.28 | fedde | jim, maybe i do but i dont know how to differentiate them from my 2.4 boots |
| 12:45.33 | valdyn | i really really wouldnt use apt-proxy on more machines than i could handle manually |
| 12:45.42 | jim | there will be a line that looks like uname -a |
| 12:45.44 | PerfDave | valdyn: Why not? It's fire-and-forget. |
| 12:45.48 | fedde | jim, besides, there were no error messages in messages |
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| 12:46.07 | fedde | jim, hm, im thinking i might have disabled syslog at some point while debugging |
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| 12:46.13 | Delgul_at_work | kneet: 8 seems to work... busy investigating. Thanks so far |
| 12:46.17 | vchrizz_work | linux is gay: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1275591.html LOL ! |
| 12:46.20 | jim | can you re-enable? |
| 12:46.33 | fedde | jim, i will, but i have to leave for about an hour |
| 12:46.39 | jim | or, why disable other than that? was there a problem? |
| 12:46.48 | fedde | jim, i'll play around with it |
| 12:46.52 | valdyn | PerfDave: it regularily lets the apt-get user know that it cannot find a file, wget <file> would work. Repeating apt-get <whatever> works then. A little annoying. |
| 12:46.55 | kneet | Delgul_at_work, have to say I've not tried 2048 - it's a live server - so I can't just throw it in for now - sorrt |
| 12:46.57 | kneet | y |
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| 12:47.04 | fedde | jim, i thought init got stuck because of things in runlevel 1 and 2 |
| 12:47.05 | jim | I won't be much help except to try problem solving process |
| 12:47.16 | PerfDave | valdyn: I've never had that. |
| 12:47.19 | lucox | PerfDave: i will look on url you gave me ... we want to use http://apt-mirror.sourceforge.net/ or http://dpartialmirror.sourceforge.net/ the first one seems to be nicer and easier |
| 12:47.21 | valdyn | PerfDave: no idea about reason, its good enough for me. but i wouldnt use it for alot of machines. |
| 12:47.36 | jim | oh, and you were trying to see if syslog was one of those |
| 12:47.43 | fedde | jim, exactly |
| 12:47.45 | PerfDave | valdyn: I've not had a problem with it at all. |
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| 12:47.49 | valdyn | PerfDave: so it _may_ be related to me running sid on that box. |
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| 12:47.53 | lucox | valdyn: intel / amd i don't know ... that's not important i think ... |
| 12:47.57 | fedde | jim, i ended up with getty being the problem hehe |
| 12:47.58 | PerfDave | valdyn: Ah, my apt-proxy runs on Woody. |
| 12:48.07 | fedde | jim, ok gotta go, thanks for your help |
| 12:48.08 | valdyn | PerfDave: or whatever, its not broken badly enough that i would bother trying to fix anything |
| 12:48.16 | PerfDave | lucox: You probably do want to use apt-mirror. That URL I gave you has the sizes for the archives. |
| 12:48.18 | jim | welcome... |
| 12:48.20 | valdyn | PerfDave: i see |
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| 12:49.03 | Obilan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.04 | valdyn | PerfDave: and also not kernel 2.6 I assume - i have few more tcp/ip related issue(s) on 2.6.x |
| 12:49.26 | PerfDave | valdyn: No, I don't use 2.6 on Woody. Or on servers. I find it too unstable. |
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| 12:50.12 | lucox | PerfDave: yes we will use the apt-mirror |
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| 12:50.37 | lucox | PerfDave: ranges from 5.5 GB to 8 GB ... for each (woody,sarge,sid) or the whole ? |
| 12:50.43 | valdyn | PerfDave: thx for info, i'll play with that when i get a spare box. |
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| 12:51.11 | PerfDave | lucox: I have access to exactly the same information that you do. |
| 12:51.18 | lucox | :) |
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| 12:51.40 | valdyn | lucox: about 10 gig per binary arch |
| 12:51.58 | jim | how big is source |
| 12:52.21 | jim | for testing that is |
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| 12:52.40 | noloK | how i can install a printer? i have the parallel port support in the kernel |
| 12:52.47 | noloK | the next steps? |
| 12:53.08 | directhex|work | noloK, if you're a wuss, use the easy printer addign dialogs in gnome or kde |
| 12:53.10 | jim | noloK: echo hi > /dev/lp0 |
| 12:53.11 | Kiz`met | it took me a day and a bit to dl all of the testing debs etc etc from aarnet.edu.au, im on a 2mbits link btw |
| 12:53.47 | jim | directhex|work: so most wusses don't have much time? |
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| 12:54.01 | Obilan | i installed the nvidiadriver yesterday, and no xmms/mplayer are always segfaulting, does anyone have an idea? |
| 12:54.08 | directhex|work | jim, no, they're too busy with hot chicks & stuff |
| 12:54.19 | directhex|work | Obilan, which nvidia driver, and how? |
| 12:54.23 | lucox | valdyn: so yoe mean for the deb not deb-src , ok ? |
| 12:54.23 | jim | heh, I wannabe a wuss then! |
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| 12:54.32 | valdyn | lucox: yea |
| 12:54.32 | zoly | noloK: could be that it is overkill for a single machine, but i mention this nevertheless, because of the wealth of printer drivers, available for it: cupsd and foomatics driver collection. |
| 12:55.02 | valdyn | lucox: source you need only once, not per arch.. |
| 12:55.04 | Obilan | directhex|work the latest from nvidia.com and via their normal installer |
| 12:55.12 | lucox | PerfDave & valdyn : ok thanks boys ;) |
| 12:55.29 | ETpro | Anyone here worked with Debian and the game Enemy Territory, need some help with the startup of the etded file, and the gameserver... |
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| 12:55.52 | PerfDave | ETpro: I've got the client running, but no experience with the server. |
| 12:55.54 | valdyn | ETpro: try an ET irc channel |
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| 12:56.21 | noloK | bad thing happened |
| 12:56.22 | noloK | -su: /dev/lp0: No such device |
| 12:56.23 | PerfDave | Wow, there's a #et on Freenode |
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| 12:56.35 | Phated | For all the alien lifeforms. |
| 12:56.36 | ETpro | valdyn, i've tried alot of channels, but none of them was familier with debian, there was 2 guys here yesterday, they helped me for a while, but they both left before me.. ;) |
| 12:56.46 | jim | noloK: ok... |
| 12:56.48 | directhex|work | Obilan, nvidia have a motherboard chipset series, and graphics card series |
| 12:56.50 | jim | noloK: echo hi > /dev/lp1 |
| 12:56.58 | valdyn | ETpro: oh your issue looked unix specific, not at all debian specific |
| 12:57.05 | Obilan | directhex|work sorry, the gfx driver |
| 12:57.19 | ETpro | it's more debian specific.. ;) |
| 12:57.36 | strubbel | is it possible to use the full spectrum of tcl code within expect? |
| 12:57.39 | directhex|work | Obilan, i can't think why mplayer would segfault due to that, though as closed-source code it's hard to know WHAT causes problems |
| 12:57.41 | ETpro | but at hte same time you need to know a bit about Enemy Territory.. ;) |
| 12:58.01 | jim | is et a open source game? |
| 12:58.06 | valdyn | ETpro: games dont usually use distro stuff, heck doom3 doesnt even use a distros glibc |
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| 12:58.26 | zoly | directhex|work: mplayer is not free, but not closed-source neither. |
| 12:58.32 | ETpro | it open source if im not wrong yep... |
| 12:58.36 | Obilan | directhex|work its something with tls, i saw it in strace xmms but im not familar with its output |
| 12:58.38 | directhex|work | zoly, i mean nvidia-glx |
| 12:58.44 | PerfDave | ETpro: My boss has run etded on Debian without any problem. |
| 12:58.53 | zoly | directhex|work: oh right, my stupid |
| 12:58.53 | ETpro | hang on, i'll see if anyone can help me on their forum, thx for the help mates.. ;) |
| 12:59.00 | PerfDave | Enemy Territory is not open source, but it is free as in beer. |
| 12:59.01 | directhex|work | Obilan, oh. for fecks sake, if you're going to use nvidia-installer rather than debian packages, problems like that happen |
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| 12:59.02 | jim | PerfDave: page your boss! |
| 12:59.05 | jim | :) |
| 12:59.09 | valdyn | ETpro: ok i didnt know that ET was open source ) |
| 12:59.09 | PerfDave | jim: I have done, but he's out to lunch. |
| 12:59.13 | ricky_clarkson | beer.... |
| 12:59.14 | noloK | jim the same, is there something that must to be in dmesg about the printer? |
| 12:59.21 | directhex|work | valdyn, it isn't |
| 12:59.30 | ETpro | PerfDave: i got one proble, but the ET freaks at the forum might know the problem.. ;) |
| 12:59.38 | Obilan | directhex|work i tried the debian packages too, but it always tried to install kernel images and stuff |
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| 12:59.54 | zoly | valdyn: offered for no payment, because they didn't get the AI right |
| 12:59.59 | jim | noloK: maybe; there's nothing about your parallel port? or, do you have the moduels loaded? |
| 12:59.59 | ActRapiD | What script/package is responsible for creating stuff in /dev? I miss a lot of stuff there! |
| 13:00.13 | zoly | rather than trash it |
| 13:00.18 | valdyn | ActRapiD: What do you miss? DO you use udev? |
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| 13:01.20 | directhex|work | Obilan, i find "and syuff" to be a most useful diagnostic tool. basically, it's your mess, you can damn well clean it up. the debian solution would have avoided the problem. |
| 13:01.22 | ActRapiD | valdyn: I had to a debootstrap install to get Debian pure64 on my box (from Gentoo) due to driver problems. I'm not sure if I have conf. the kernel correctly. |
| 13:01.25 | noloK | jim nothing about it in dmesg...which modules? i have only parallel port support in the kernel |
| 13:01.43 | ActRapiD | valdyn: udev is a package, right? devfs is not enabled in kernel. |
| 13:01.51 | jim | noloK: ohh, parport |
| 13:02.00 | jim | see if dmesg says anything about parport |
| 13:02.09 | valdyn | ActRapiD: ps aux | grep udevd |
| 13:02.38 | ActRapiD | valdyn: udevd is running. |
| 13:02.40 | noloK | jim in a minute |
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| 13:03.09 | ricky_clarkson | !be barbie |
| 13:03.11 | ActRapiD | valdyn: All tty's are gone, and /dev/mem (problems when starting X). |
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| 13:04.12 | valdyn | ActRapiD: fine, udev will only create /dev/<whatever> when a device driver is loaded, or that device is part of udevs standard devices which it creates when started |
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| 13:04.28 | drac | ActRapiD: Did you look in /.dev/ |
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| 13:05.35 | ActRapiD | drac: Did now, and a lot of stuff there! But why is X complaining about missing /dev/tty0 (and 7) and /dev/mem? |
| 13:06.06 | nvz | hmm, I opened the curtains and suddenly my sound stopped working :P |
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| 13:06.10 | drac | ActRapiD: dunno. you could try /etc/init.d/udev restart |
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| 13:06.15 | valdyn | ActRapiD: look into udev manpage / docs, or ask people. I have no idea which devices udev creates on start following which config file |
| 13:06.23 | jim | !be cow barbie |
| 13:06.23 | dpkg | Having four stomachs is HARD! |
| 13:06.39 | Obilan | directhex|work how would it avoid that? it installs a kernel image which i dont use, or am i missing the "driver-for-my-own-kernel" package? |
| 13:06.41 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
| 13:06.46 | rmstar | !die another day |
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| 13:06.48 | ActRapiD | drac/valdyn: ok, I'll look into udev. Thanks for your time :) |
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| 13:08.16 | jim | !be dalek barbie |
| 13:08.17 | dpkg | Going up stairs is HARD! |
| 13:08.35 | directhex|work | Obilan, assuming you have the source for your kernel in /usr/src/linux, apt-get install build-essential module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
| 13:08.39 | nvz | I dont know where my remote is, but I think it was a sleep timer that just shut it off |
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| 13:09.11 | giovanni | hi |
| 13:09.13 | rmstar | !be dalek barbie |
| 13:09.13 | dpkg | Going up stairs is HARD! |
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| 13:09.24 | directhex|work | XD |
| 13:09.33 | ETpro | what's the line to open a new window?` |
| 13:09.45 | giovanni | guys there is a command that refresh the status of a local network? |
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| 13:09.58 | ETpro | *command |
| 13:10.13 | leikh | how do i remove all the messages that exim is trying to send? |
| 13:10.41 | jim | in a SNL hosted by Paris Hilton, she did a skit about nerd phone sex service, and claimed she liked dr who and offered to be exterminated like a dalek... |
| 13:10.41 | giovanni | who can helpme? |
| 13:10.41 | directhex|work | ETpro, a new WHAt window? |
| 13:11.07 | Obilan | directhex|work thanks i will try that one |
| 13:11.18 | jim | giovanni: what do you mean by that? |
| 13:11.50 | ETpro | directhex|work: is their a way that i can open a new "work" window, so i can run 2 different "games" at the same time? if you understand me? |
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| 13:12.16 | jim | jsut run the client twice |
| 13:12.35 | jim | giovanni, in the channel please... that way anyone can help you if I can't |
| 13:12.47 | directhex|work | ETpro, erm... that's down to the terminal emulator you use, and the window manager. hell, if you're not in X, change VT with ctrl-alt-fXX |
| 13:13.21 | jim | giovanni, /msg apt sicco |
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| 13:13.40 | zoly | ETpro: startx `which othergame` -- :1 |
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| 13:14.20 | ETpro | directhex|work: okay, do know any good terminal emulators that can do that? |
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| 13:14.46 | zoly | ETpro: don't bother bout term emulators. start those in a new x session |
| 13:14.50 | ETpro | zoly: im supposed to open a game called Enemy Territory, and a game called etadmin_mod |
| 13:14.53 | directhex|work | ETpro, erm.. i'm still not 100% sure what you're currently doing. are you in x? how did you get in? which window manager? |
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| 13:15.42 | ETpro | im using the MC command Midnight something, dont remember the last name, im pretty new at linux, so all the "heavy" words wont help me that much |
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| 13:15.52 | noloK | jim well, i have nothing in dmesg.. |
| 13:16.00 | giovanni | i've a laptop plugged to a lan for sharing internet connection, when i unplug the cable from nic and later plug it another time there isn't connection and i must reboot the system |
| 13:16.02 | noloK | jim maybe i have to recompile the kernel? |
| 13:16.07 | jim | nothing on parport? |
| 13:16.16 | noloK | yes, nothing about it |
| 13:16.17 | directhex|work | ETpro, so you're not in a graphical system? alt-f2, alt-f3 etc change between virtual terminals, use those. |
| 13:16.28 | jim | so maybe your ports were not seen by the kernel at boot |
| 13:16.32 | ETpro | okay, thanks |
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| 13:16.37 | giovanni | i would know if there is a command or a method that help me to refresh the status of network |
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| 13:17.04 | caphuso | giovanni: ifplugd? |
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| 13:17.07 | jim | giovanni: ok, -very- specifically, what do you mean by that? |
| 13:17.45 | zoly | ETpro: write the command i gave you down, you might need it. |
| 13:18.22 | giovanni | jim what? |
| 13:19.21 | noloK | jim it's long since i have 'spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7', maybe it's the problem? |
| 13:19.40 | noloK | jim i don't know which is that irq |
| 13:19.43 | jim | is irq7 your printer? |
| 13:19.56 | jim | maybe your bios will asy |
| 13:19.58 | jim | say |
| 13:21.39 | caphuso | that message is harmless |
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| 13:22.31 | gilles | what soft can i use to rip sound from an audio cd (to put it in mp3) ? |
| 13:22.41 | jim | well, except for the fact it would fill the log dir |
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| 13:22.48 | pipeline | gilles: cdex, cdparanoia, there's lots of stuff |
| 13:22.53 | pipeline | gilles: easyripper, too |
| 13:23.14 | gilles | pipeline: is there any designed for gnome ? |
| 13:23.16 | pipeline | gilles: You may need rarewares.org or marillat in your sources.list to get an mp3 encoder, however. |
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| 13:23.35 | jim | gilles: sheesh :P learn the shell |
| 13:23.49 | gilles | pipeline: what is the mp3 encoder package name ? |
| 13:24.00 | jim | the truth is you don't need anything designed for gnome |
| 13:24.27 | einsteinmg | does anyone use the distccd with zeroconf option enabled (+mdnsresponder)? |
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| 13:25.24 | petemc | gilles: have a look at sound-juicer |
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| 13:27.30 | directhex|work | i like kaudiocreator |
| 13:28.03 | gilles | do i need any mp3 encoder ? |
| 13:28.08 | directhex|work | gilles, there's no mp3 encoder in debian for patent reaons. use vorbis, or add marillat sources & download lame |
| 13:28.18 | gilles | i have added marillat |
| 13:28.26 | gilles | but i don't know which package to install |
| 13:28.33 | jim | lame |
| 13:28.36 | directhex|work | lame |
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| 13:28.53 | gilles | ok, i have it already |
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| 13:29.23 | phiend | say |
| 13:29.27 | jim | what |
| 13:29.41 | phiend | does the default debian kernel have an smp kernel? |
| 13:29.51 | Rawplayer | if you install it |
| 13:29.52 | directhex|work | phiend, not unless you install one |
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| 13:30.00 | directhex|work | phiend, i.e. kernel-image-foobar-smp |
| 13:30.01 | loocek | hi! how to configure hardware router to connect to some computer in private network (over ssh), from internet ?? |
| 13:30.16 | phiend | so i have to compile my own kernel and include SMP |
| 13:30.18 | directhex|work | loocek, read the manual for the router. usually, forward the ssh port |
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| 13:30.24 | directhex|work | phiend, why compile one? |
| 13:30.36 | jim | loocek: hardware router's manual will say |
| 13:30.40 | phiend | how else do i include it? |
| 13:30.46 | directhex|work | phiend, install it? |
| 13:31.08 | loocek | where can I find manual to hardware router? |
| 13:31.18 | Gathond | phiend: install a precompiled kernel with smp support, debian actually have packages with those |
| 13:31.21 | directhex|work | loocek, the manufacturer website? the box it came in? |
| 13:31.27 | jim | loocek: it came with the router. look in the box |
| 13:31.34 | sanso | can I invite dpkg to our (newly-created) #fai ? |
| 13:31.37 | directhex|work | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8-smp |
| 13:31.41 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8-smp: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 SMP systems), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-11 (sid), Packaged size: 12924 kB, Installed size: 43734 kB |
| 13:31.47 | loocek | ok , i'll try , thx |
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| 13:32.08 | directhex|work | !info kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 13:32.11 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-8 (sid), Packaged size: 12376 kB, Installed size: 32840 kB |
| 13:32.26 | directhex|work | phiend, see the pattern? |
| 13:33.01 | rmstar | !info selinux |
| 13:33.03 | directhex|work | phiend, apt-cache search kernel-image smp, apt-get install one of the matches |
| 13:33.25 | jim | are you having some particular problem when you boot nonsmp kernel on your box? |
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| 13:36.29 | SiliconViper | Weeeeee! Another update, for anyone who cares. Added ~25 more packages that don't suck. |
| 13:36.30 | SiliconViper | http://colstrom.whatthefork.org/software/shellscript/bonuspack/ |
| 13:36.50 | gilles | is there pro-tools or an equivalent on linux ? |
| 13:36.50 | daft_ | I want to make a vpn between to servers what sould i use for the connection Becose there is so mutch to chooce from |
| 13:37.03 | rrohde | I am new to debian.. what is the standard way to start/stop services? /etc/init.d/<service-name> start|stop? |
| 13:37.03 | jim | gilles: ardour |
| 13:37.17 | daft_ | rrohde, yes |
| 13:37.19 | jim | you need jack audio connection kit for that |
| 13:37.23 | rrohde | daft_, ok |
| 13:38.45 | sep | daft_: what you should use probably depends a lot more on your requirements, then on our opinions |
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| 13:39.11 | SiliconViper | rrohde, Yeah, that's right, assuming there is an initscript. |
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| 13:39.31 | ETpro | is their any program i can download to my computer so i can connect to my debian server? |
| 13:39.34 | benanne | hey... that ppSCSI 2.6.x kernel patch, is it debian specific? I found it on a debian mailing list, and I can't get my stock kernel to compile with it |
| 13:39.55 | jim | ETpro: "my computer"? |
| 13:40.00 | theJackal | ETPro: SSH for windows,,,,.. and maybe XServer for windows |
| 13:40.00 | daft_ | sep, A sollid connection between 2 24/7 servers i used ssh-pppd some times but that isnt that stable |
| 13:40.02 | ETpro | windows... |
| 13:40.17 | khanman | ETpro use putty to make an ssh connection...there is a win32 version as well |
| 13:40.17 | daft_ | ETpro google for putty |
| 13:40.22 | ETpro | okay, anyone who knows where i can download that? |
| 13:40.27 | theJackal | putty sucks imho |
| 13:40.27 | ETpro | okay, thx |
| 13:40.36 | jim | you can get putty and the ssh-enabed putty, |
| 13:40.42 | SiliconViper | benanne, I don't know for sure, but if it was on a Debian Mailing List, it'd be safe to assume so. |
| 13:40.43 | nvz | ETpro: what do you want to do specifically? |
| 13:40.43 | khanman | theJackal: really? i like it...what do you use? |
| 13:40.47 | benanne | ah |
| 13:40.48 | jim | and you can get cygwin with xfree86 server |
| 13:40.53 | benanne | then I really need to try debian stable :) |
| 13:40.54 | sep | daft_: i'v used freeswan a lot, been very stable for me |
| 13:40.56 | khanman | from say windows to a debian box? |
| 13:41.16 | benanne | I'm kindof a newbie though.. but i managed to compile my own kernel, say, 90% successfully :) d'ya guys reckon i'd manage? |
| 13:41.30 | daft_ | Seb, isnt that a vpn program with kernel patch? |
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| 13:41.36 | jim | benanne: if what you're doing is a very stable server that needs to be reliable for many users, woody is a good choice |
| 13:41.39 | directhex|work | benanne, what exactly is the machine for? |
| 13:41.46 | chugga | what do i apt-get to compile a new kernel |
| 13:41.51 | daft_ | soory Sep :/ |
| 13:41.52 | SiliconViper | benanne, as long as you keep at it, you can figure out pretty much anythong. |
| 13:41.53 | directhex|work | chugga, why compile one? |
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| 13:42.03 | jim | or, if you are learning unix/linux for the first time |
| 13:42.03 | chugga | directhex|work, my current one sucks |
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| 13:42.08 | SiliconViper | chugga, apt-get install kernel-image-VERSION for a precompiled one. |
| 13:42.12 | benanne | okay |
| 13:42.20 | directhex|work | chugga, uname -r? |
| 13:42.20 | benanne | I don't give up easily :) |
| 13:42.42 | SiliconViper | chugga, apt-get install build-essentials kernel-package kernel-source-VERSION for sources and tools to build them. |
| 13:42.45 | chugga | directhex|work, i need to change some things .. *sigh* |
| 13:42.46 | sep | daft_: it's been in the kernel a while just load the ipsec module |
| 13:42.55 | directhex|work | benanne, is this for a forward-facing server? |
| 13:42.56 | benanne | thanks for the info |
| 13:42.58 | chugga | SiliconViper, ok |
| 13:42.59 | jim | otherwise, many people think woody has things that are too old (and it will never -- officially -- get newer stuff) |
| 13:43.03 | benanne | no, home use :) |
| 13:43.06 | directhex|work | chugga, build-essential kernel-package then |
| 13:43.13 | directhex|work | benanne, you deifnitely don't want woody then |
| 13:43.14 | benanne | I need ppscsi to try and get my scanner working |
| 13:43.19 | directhex|work | !d-i benanne |
| 13:43.19 | dpkg | benanne, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:43.28 | khanman | haha |
| 13:43.29 | directhex|work | !woody desktop |
| 13:43.29 | dpkg | If you're running a desktop machine, odds are you want to install Sarge instead. However, if you really require the stability that woody offers, you can install woody. If you do, please don't complain to Debian about the age of software in stable, etc. |
| 13:43.32 | benanne | and also I want to try something else than FC3... |
| 13:43.35 | benanne | okay, thnaks |
| 13:43.36 | nvz | ETpro: there are many solutions for networking a windows and a linux box, it all depends on your specific needs. if you have both boxes sitting right next to each other on a private network then maybe you want synergy, if they are not nearby you may want RFB or VNC, and/or ssh, and possibly even samba |
| 13:43.36 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 13:43.36 | dpkg | i heard woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 13:43.50 | benanne | lol, okay, i want sarge :D |
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| 13:44.22 | SiliconViper | chugga, I do recommend AGAINST compiling a custom kernel. |
| 13:44.23 | jim | benanne: the debian installer for sarge is a big improvement |
| 13:44.30 | benanne | cool |
| 13:44.44 | chugga | sil, why? |
| 13:44.48 | jim | SiliconViper: that' |
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| 13:45.30 | jim | SiliconViper: that's unusual... people normally recommend that the new kernel be built as quickly as they can get the source and compiler installed... |
| 13:45.38 | jim | howcome that? |
| 13:45.48 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 13:45.48 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD" |
| 13:45.49 | benanne | okay well, i'll check it out when I get my new mobo/proc |
| 13:45.54 | SiliconViper | chugga, Because unless you know you need something else, the precompiled kernels are usually better, more stable, and people will help you with any problems. Compiling it yourself loses all that. |
| 13:46.15 | sanso | dpkg, ops May I invite dpkg to (newly-created) #fai? |
| 13:46.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: May I invite dpkg to (newly-created) #fai |
| 13:46.17 | benanne | bye |
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| 13:46.41 | SiliconViper | jim, I don't touch the new kernels before they hit the tree, unless there is a serious vulnerability in the one I'm running. |
| 13:46.46 | nvz | sanso: dont do that |
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| 13:47.09 | sanso | nvz, what? ask ops or invite? |
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| 13:47.27 | directhex|work | SiliconViper, plus, nvidia one-liner doesn't work with hand-rolled kernels |
| 13:47.34 | nvz | sanso: both, dpkg is maintained and operated by dondelelcaro, in California, its only like 7am there |
| 13:47.37 | caphuso | sanso: you need to talk to dondelelcaro directly, he's the one who controls dpkg |
| 13:47.41 | nvz | sanso: ask later when he is around |
| 13:47.42 | chugga | nvidia fuckin sucks with its binary bullshit.. |
| 13:47.58 | chugga | for my needs the opensource driver works just fine |
| 13:47.59 | SiliconViper | directhex|work, wanna bet? |
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| 13:48.08 | SiliconViper | directhex|work, I'm using it. ^_~ |
| 13:48.11 | sanso | nvz, caphuso, sorry didn't know that - thanks :) |
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| 13:48.14 | nvz | hell its not even 7am there yet |
| 13:48.16 | jim | chugga: so don't buy their cards... but what other company is any better? |
| 13:48.20 | nvz | sanso: /msg dpkg who owns you |
| 13:48.23 | jim | 5:45 |
| 13:48.25 | chugga | jim, im just saying the driver sucks dude. thats all |
| 13:48.27 | SiliconViper | directhex|work, you just need to rm the rivafb module, and update-modules. |
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| 13:48.42 | sanso | nvz, now that's easy to guess :-) |
| 13:48.47 | SiliconViper | directhex|work, I've done it many times, never had a problem once I started doing it that way. |
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| 13:49.04 | drac | jim, install ntpdate or chrony, your clock is in wrong time :) |
| 13:49.14 | SiliconViper | directhex|work, that used to be the main reason I hand-compiled. |
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| 13:49.28 | nvz | sanso: not to mention you can see with various irc commands that don_inlab, dondelelcaro, dpkg, and debhelper are all running in his lab at the uni |
| 13:49.40 | chugga | ok, im reverting back to OSS from alsa - but i cant access /dev/dsp - any ideas why? |
| 13:49.47 | jim | chugga: and I'm just asking if any video card company is any better about that :) especially companies with cards used by current video games |
| 13:49.47 | directhex|work | chugga, that's short-sighted, misinformed, and aren't you the one advocating mp3 as better than vorbis open-source nonsense yesterday? |
| 13:50.00 | sanso | nvz, okay, could have known - mea culpa |
| 13:50.21 | directhex|work | SiliconViper, i meant the nvidia one-liner factoid i wrote for dpkg |
| 13:50.26 | SiliconViper | Oh? |
| 13:50.29 | chugga | directhex|work, oh? nah i was just saying mp3 is more common. no one i sent my ogg recordings to could play them |
| 13:50.29 | _gentgeen_ | I had to "ctrl+c" to stop a running app in my terminal (synergy) now I try and run it again and I get "WARNING: CServer.cpp,1524: bind failed: cannot bind address: Address already in use" any help? |
| 13:50.36 | SiliconViper | !nvidia |
| 13:50.36 | dpkg | [nvidia] To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 13:50.37 | rmstar | !sarge release |
| 13:50.37 | dpkg | methinks sarge release is Debian doesn't have fixed release dates. It comes out when it comes out. If you want it sooner, go to http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and help fix bugs and test the installer. thanks! |
| 13:50.42 | jim | chugga: maybe you'd have to go back to 2.4 if you're on 2.6 now? maybe not... but soon, oss will be -gone- |
| 13:50.50 | nvz | sanso: its a blootbot, you can make your own, or ask one of the other blootbot owners. apt is run by TimRiker now, hes the maintainer of blootbot and bzflag. and the is ravenbird which is run by our french canadia ppc-loving friend to the north simonrvn |
| 13:50.54 | chugga | im on 2.4 |
| 13:51.12 | chugga | jim, thats sad. oss has superior quality for me |
| 13:51.16 | chugga | alsa sounds like SHIT |
| 13:51.21 | jim | in 2.6, alsa modules are in kernel |
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| 13:51.39 | jim | and they say oss is deprecated |
| 13:51.53 | sanso | nvz, I was thinking of making a bot of my own, but then tought there's no reason to reinvent the wheel. |
| 13:51.56 | chugga | *sigh* |
| 13:52.09 | jim | which means... the kernel people don't want it in the kernel anymore, and they're warning people in advance |
| 13:52.12 | sanso | nvz, dpkg knows a lot of stuff that will be asked in #fai, too |
| 13:52.16 | SiliconViper | directhex|work, echo nvidia >> /etc/modules can be replaced with update-modules, which would only add it if the driver installed successfully. |
| 13:52.22 | chugga | the OSS driver has less features - but- it works much better |
| 13:52.34 | nvz | sanso: yeah well most of the bots here are already all over the place, Tim uses apt/ibot in #bzflag, and other channels, simonrvn runs ravenbird in #debian-fr and such.. |
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| 13:52.40 | lwolf | hi, someone can help me on setting cocoon 2.1.6 on tomcat 4.1.32 (debian testing ) ? , i'm using jdk 1.4.2 from blackdown, and i'm totally stuck ;( |
| 13:52.45 | nvz | sanso: they take very little to run |
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| 13:53.10 | SiliconViper | lwolf, sorry man, I haven't touched blackdown in months, if not longer. |
| 13:53.17 | directhex|work | SiliconViper, i'm a little wary of such things, that step shouldn't be neccessary at all but udev brokenness forces the issue |
| 13:53.29 | SiliconViper | lwolf, hopefully someone else can help you. |
| 13:53.31 | lwolf | SiliconViper, not blackdown pb, but debian tomcat one i think .. |
| 13:53.36 | nvz | sanso: but you can always ask, there are 3 main blootbots in here all the time, and they all sit in at least 1 other channel already |
| 13:53.45 | SiliconViper | lwolf, pb? |
| 13:53.55 | nvz | sanso: #debian-bots is where they all hang out |
| 13:53.56 | takatumi | sanso: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 13:53.56 | lwolf | SiliconViper, problem ;) |
| 13:54.01 | jim | blackdown and sun javas don't work for me when it's a browser applet... it causes x session to die, and gdm picks up again |
| 13:54.13 | SiliconViper | lwolf, Ah, sorry. I only speak English. ^_^ |
| 13:54.26 | SiliconViper | lwolf, as for the blackdown thing... herm. |
| 13:54.37 | lwolf | SiliconViper, sorry, i'm a very bad english speaker ;) |
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| 13:54.54 | lwolf | SiliconViper, what do you recommend ? |
| 13:55.19 | SiliconViper | lwolf, I'd try to help, but I think that sablvm/jikes would behave differently, at least enough to make it hard to help. |
| 13:55.25 | SiliconViper | *sablevm |
| 13:55.40 | lwolf | sablvm ? |
| 13:55.41 | jim | does i586 compiled stuff work on a p4? |
| 13:55.48 | sanso | takatumi, okay - easy enough :-D |
| 13:55.54 | nvz | jim: yes |
| 13:56.12 | resiak | sanso: They're really easy to run. I run a blootbot. |
| 13:56.15 | nvz | everything in debian is generally i386 |
| 13:56.16 | jim | so that doesn't explain my java problem...' |
| 13:56.26 | SiliconViper | jim: Yes, i586 does work. |
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| 13:56.40 | nvz | jim: whats your java problem? |
| 13:56.43 | SiliconViper | lwolf, I use a hybrid setup with sablevm, kaffe, and jikes. |
| 13:56.59 | nvz | jim: you have to explain your java problem, then we give you the solution |
| 13:57.04 | nvz | jim: thats how support works |
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| 13:57.13 | nSe | hi |
| 13:57.16 | SiliconViper | lwolf, but I'm kind of strange like that. |
| 13:57.21 | nvz | nSe: not yet but I am working on it |
| 13:57.21 | SiliconViper | Heya nSe. |
| 13:57.22 | resiak | sanso: But don't use the blootbot packages: they're insanely out of date. |
| 13:57.36 | lwolf | SiliconViper, ok |
| 13:57.38 | jim | blackdown and sun javas don't work for me when it's a browser applet... it causes x session to die, and gdm picks up again |
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| 13:57.58 | nvz | jim: mozilla-firefox or mozilla ? |
| 13:58.00 | SiliconViper | jim: I'm not a fan of blackdown's jdk. |
| 13:58.01 | sanso | resiak, now that I know where to get all of dpkg's factoids, it's no problem anymore - I just guess we all might profit from using the same bot. I.e. sharing our findings :-) |
| 13:58.03 | nSe | [nvz] don't confuse me even more... |
| 13:58.03 | jim | both |
| 13:58.05 | nvz | jim: in sarge/sid? |
| 13:58.09 | jim | sarge |
| 13:58.11 | nvz | nSe: :) |
| 13:58.27 | jim | both a fairly stale one, and a fresh one as of a few days ago |
| 13:58.49 | jim | SiliconViper: problems with blackdown? |
| 13:58.56 | nvz | jim: there is this known issue that the j2re need be compiled with gcc3.2 or later for them to work with the mozilla packages in testing/unstable.. though I still need to know what you installed and whats wrong :P |
| 13:59.00 | alfatau | hi, how to view groups and masters using samba? |
| 13:59.00 | SiliconViper | jim: No, I just don't like it. |
| 13:59.16 | SiliconViper | jim: It worked fine, I just though it was not to my liking. |
| 13:59.25 | jim | what part? |
| 13:59.30 | sanso | alfatau, smbclient -L some_host |
| 13:59.31 | jim | nvz: just a sec |
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| 13:59.49 | nvz | jim: I generally on sarge, grab the gcc32 compiled bin from sun, and toss the contents in /usr/local/j2re-blah/ and link the binary to /usr/local/bin/ and the plugins to the proper dir |
| 13:59.52 | alfatau | sanso: i don't know any hostname on the network |
| 14:00.00 | alfatau | sanso: only mine |
| 14:00.15 | resiak | sanso: Fair enough :) |
| 14:00.17 | SiliconViper | jim: Mostly the 'being based on Sun's code' part. |
| 14:00.17 | nvz | jim: its pretty easy.. in side they have java-package that can build a deb from the bin, but its not hard to install either way |
| 14:00.21 | sanso | alfatau, do You have a samba-server running? |
| 14:00.26 | nSe | i'm running debian3 with Net_Install_cd by LordStuch, and i need real kernel for mounting NTFS, by typping "apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1.386" i'll have my real kernel installed? |
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| 14:00.32 | nvz | jim: s/in side/in sid/ |
| 14:00.32 | jim | ok, gcc-3.2 as opposed to which gccs that didn't work? |
| 14:00.34 | ETpro | is their a way i can mark more the one file? |
| 14:00.46 | nvz | jim: those before it.. heh like gcc2.95 |
| 14:00.51 | sanso | takatumi, not much going on there - yet |
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| 14:01.03 | jim | hmm, I thought I avoided that... maybe not |
| 14:01.12 | nvz | jim: no need to jump to conclusions, for all I know you never even linked your plugin |
| 14:01.21 | jim | can I use java-package on them? |
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| 14:01.31 | nvz | jim: you still havent explained how you think you installed java and what went wrong |
| 14:01.36 | jim | let's find out if I did... |
| 14:01.37 | nvz | jim: java-package is in sid |
| 14:01.47 | SiliconViper | So, any ideas on how I would force removal of a package that wants me to reinstall it? The obvious 'dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq <package>' doesn't work, and 'apt-get install --reinstall <package>' doesn't either. |
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| 14:02.02 | zOOz | i'm a unix user, i have one question about windows ;-) |
| 14:02.06 | zOOz | windows xp. when i click right mouse button on folder then nothing appears and explorer (in this situation My Computer) stops working. how to fix it? |
| 14:02.06 | streuner_ | SiliconViper: what package? |
| 14:02.09 | takatumi | sanso: :) |
| 14:02.22 | lwolf | zOOz, format c: ;) |
| 14:02.38 | jim | I used java-package (I got it, built it, installed it), then I built one of the blackdown jdks which didn't work and then one of the sun jdks which didn't work |
| 14:02.39 | sanso | !tell z00z about d-i |
| 14:02.40 | zOOz | lwolf: ;-) |
| 14:02.51 | jim | but let's get back to the linking thing... |
| 14:03.00 | SiliconViper | streuner_, not that it has any relevance to the matter, but sysv-rc-bootsplash is the package. |
| 14:03.06 | resiak | zOOz: Do you _really_ expect to get an answer here? |
| 14:03.11 | lwolf | zOOz, i don't search with windows, i format with out loosing any time ;) |
| 14:03.16 | ETpro | well, i want to mark more the one folder to change the owner, how do i do that? instead of taking one by one |
| 14:03.29 | zOOz | resiak: no, but i dont know where to ask for help |
| 14:03.32 | SiliconViper | z00z: Try a WinXP support channel. |
| 14:03.38 | SiliconViper | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.45 | lwolf | zOOz : try google ;) |
| 14:03.54 | jim | ETpro: gotta get used to the shell and file globbing and recursive descent into dirs and stuff like that |
| 14:04.00 | streuner_ | !info sysv-rc-bootsplash |
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| 14:04.24 | streuner_ | SiliconViper: that doesn't matter much: <dpkg> Package 'sysv-rc-bootsplash' does not exist. |
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| 14:04.47 | elirips | hello people. can someone tell me how i can find out what chipsets i have exactly? it is not written down in the manual. i would like to exclude everything i dont really need from my new kernel, but with some thigns i am a little bit unsure.. |
| 14:04.48 | directhex|work | ETpro, chown -R foouser.bargroup folders or files to change |
| 14:05.11 | SiliconViper | streuner_: Wow, because I didn't already know that. My eyes have been opened and I am blinded by the light of your genius! |
| 14:05.17 | Delph | elirips: tried looking at the hardware itself? |
| 14:05.18 | nSe | heya, that's the question: i already have kernel-image-2.4.18-1.386 in my net_installcd (lordstuch) ? i need real kernel for mounting NTFS ! |
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| 14:05.32 | elirips | Delph: i would like to avoid opening the laptop because of the warranty. |
| 14:05.34 | Unified | hi, how can I chance the look of qt apps? |
| 14:05.39 | directhex|work | nSe, you sure you don't have a bf kernel? |
| 14:05.41 | streuner_ | SiliconViper: you don't need to be one, just open your eyes ;-) |
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| 14:05.45 | directhex|work | Unified, kcontrol |
| 14:06.08 | Unified | and if i don't have kde? :) |
| 14:06.16 | jim | someone is blinded by jeans?! |
| 14:06.32 | lwolf | elirips, lspci can help |
| 14:06.33 | nSe | directhex|work : what does bf means ? |
| 14:06.42 | jim | boot-floppies |
| 14:06.45 | SiliconViper | streuner_: The package doesn't matter, because the procedure should be the same. The package *does* exist, just not in any repository dpkg knows about. And none of this brings anyone closer to a solution, does it? |
| 14:06.54 | jim | obsolete cause hard for maintainers to maintain |
| 14:06.57 | elirips | and another question: if i set some things i am unsure in the kernel-config to 'module', does this then make the boot time longer, or does this only increases the time for compilation? |
| 14:07.07 | SiliconViper | streuner_: So, would you like to contribute something meaningful? |
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| 14:07.13 | jcoiron | hello |
| 14:07.22 | directhex|work | nSe, boot floppy. it's the kernels used as standard on woody installs. it lacks useful modules. |
| 14:07.26 | jim | how can I find out if the plugin is linked right? |
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| 14:07.59 | streuner_ | SiliconViper: HOW IN HELL CAN YOU REINSTALL A PACKAGE WHICH ISN'T IN THE DEBIAN MIRRORS? |
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| 14:08.05 | streuner_ | moron |
| 14:08.08 | SiliconViper | jim: Define 'right'. Try 'ls -l /path/to/plugin' |
| 14:08.08 | jim | if I used java-package, would it have tried to locate bropwsers and stick a link there? |
| 14:08.17 | PerfDave | streuner_: dpkg --install thingy.deb :) |
| 14:08.30 | jim | right. N. behind left. |
| 14:08.39 | jim | no, kidding :) |
| 14:08.50 | streuner_ | PerfDave: <SiliconViper> So, any ideas on how I would force removal of a package that wants me to reinstall it? The obvious 'dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq <package>' doesn't work, and 'apt-get install --reinstall <package>' doesn't either. |
| 14:08.54 | nvz | jim: you'd think so. but if the package wasnt build with gcc32 or greater isnt not going to work anyhow, plus you usually have to install java-common as well |
| 14:08.58 | ETpro | is their a spanish debian chat? |
| 14:08.58 | SiliconViper | streuner_: There are other mirrors, you know? |
| 14:09.00 | jim | where would the plugin be located approximately? |
| 14:09.01 | resiak | !es |
| 14:09.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:09.09 | valdyn | #knoppix knows about *-bootsplash |
| 14:09.09 | bonez41 | is there any real advantage to running a pure woody installation, versus mixed..sid, sarge, testing? doesn't pure woody leave you with rather old versions of everything? |
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| 14:09.22 | jim | java-common was installed already |
| 14:09.25 | resiak | bonez41: That's kinda the whole point. |
| 14:09.27 | resiak | !stable |
| 14:09.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days. The current stable version of Debian is woody (3.0r4). |
| 14:09.40 | nvz | jim: the plugin is in the j2re under plugins, you link it to the browsers plugin dir |
| 14:09.41 | jim | bonez41: stability for server |
| 14:09.42 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good exim config suitable for sarge available that makes the machine simply a "satellite" of another? (no local mail) |
| 14:09.45 | streuner_ | SiliconViper: Iam not care about *OTHER* mirrors, what here counts are the official ones, and none of others... |
| 14:09.50 | ETpro | !no |
| 14:09.50 | nSe | directhex|work : i'm not sure, i just installed my minimal_net_install_cd. sb told me i need a real kernel, not the install one. what should i do ? |
| 14:09.50 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 14:09.54 | jim | ok |
| 14:09.59 | ETpro | ops.. :P |
| 14:10.00 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 14:10.03 | bonez41 | resiak, which is.to run stable but old? ok. I see the point for a server... |
| 14:10.12 | jim | !say foo foo foo! |
| 14:10.13 | dpkg | foo foo foo! |
| 14:10.16 | SiliconViper | streuner_, hence why the package itself is irrelevant. |
| 14:10.16 | EmleyMoor | nSe: Why not compile one yourself? |
| 14:10.20 | directhex|work | nSe, install one? this had better be for a front-facing webserver, if this is a desktop machine i may need to hurt something |
| 14:10.21 | jim | yay dpkg! |
| 14:10.29 | sanso | EmleyMoor, have You tried exim4-config? |
| 14:10.43 | nvz | this is why I still do it manually a wget, chmod, unpack, copy, and link isnt that hard for me to do, and its always worked flawlessly for running java apps or java plugins |
| 14:10.47 | bonez41 | resiak, just curious...do most here run stable or less than stable installations? |
| 14:11.05 | bonez41 | resiak, not that you would know..I should have addressed that to the channel at large |
| 14:11.06 | sanso | EmleyMoor, or nullmailer ? |
| 14:11.09 | resiak | bonez41: Most of us who run desktops run Sarge (the current testing, "soon" to be stable). |
| 14:11.10 | jim | nvz: ok, I'm looking into it now |
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| 14:11.15 | SiliconViper | streuner_, such a problem can occur with any package, and there must be a way to solve it with another package, logic would imply that the same method would work with this, or at least, be worth attempting. |
| 14:11.18 | EmleyMoor | sanso: Yes - I am trying it again but so far it has not worked |
| 14:11.24 | directhex|work | bonez41, sarge has a massive use other than for forward-facing web servers |
| 14:11.24 | EmleyMoor | I will look at nullmailer... |
| 14:11.33 | resiak | bonez41: If you want a desktop system, Sarge is what you want. DO NOT USE UNSTABLE! |
| 14:11.38 | Coke | Is it possible to redirect mail to ALL local users to a specific address without having to add all user account entries into /etc/aliases? |
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| 14:11.39 | jim | j2sdk-1_4_2_04-linux-i586.bin sun-j2sdk1.4_1.4.2+04_i386.deb java-package_0.19_all.deb |
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| 14:11.49 | jim | those are the current relevencies |
| 14:11.51 | SiliconViper | valdyn, True, #knoppix knows about bootsplash, but I want to remove the package, not learn about it. ;p |
| 14:11.56 | strk | do you know where to get help with timidity ? |
| 14:11.57 | SiliconViper | I already know about it. |
| 14:12.09 | bonez41 | resiak, what if something I really need to run is only available in unstable source? then I guess i take that risk, right? |
| 14:12.16 | strk | timidity: Can't read any configuration file. |
| 14:12.16 | SiliconViper | valdyn, That's sort of why I'm removing it... I want to do it from scratch. |
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| 14:12.31 | SiliconViper | Without the package. |
| 14:12.33 | valdyn | SiliconViper: you cannot simply "remove" that package. |
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| 14:12.43 | SiliconViper | valdyn, and why not? |
| 14:12.53 | SiliconViper | valdyn, I installed it, surely it can be removed. |
| 14:13.04 | resiak | bonez41: What do you really need to run that is in unstable only? You should run Sarge anyway, and install just the packages you need from Unstable if you install any unstable packages at all. |
| 14:13.18 | directhex|work | !tell bonez41 about quick sid\sarge mix |
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| 14:13.22 | nSe | [resiak] still confused, but soon i'll not be anymore: look, i'm going to install debian in this hd, so i need all the information necessary. by typping "apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1.386" i'll have my real kernel ready for mounting NTFS ? |
| 14:13.25 | valdyn | SiliconViper: yea, im saying silly things, BUT i mean, you CANNOT just use knoppix packages in debian |
| 14:13.26 | directhex|work | !tell bonez41 about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 14:13.26 | jim | dual:/usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun> ls jre/plugin/i386/ ==> ns4/ ns610/ ns610-gcc32/ |
| 14:13.27 | streuner_ | SiliconViper: playing with sysinit is a very *BAD* idea, btw. |
| 14:13.42 | directhex|work | bonez41, install sarge, do as dpkg tells you |
| 14:13.46 | resiak | nSe: You'll need to reboot with it, and then yes. |
| 14:13.51 | valdyn | SiliconViper: .. and expect things to work. |
| 14:13.52 | bonez41 | thanks... |
| 14:13.58 | SiliconViper | valdyn, It's not a Knoppix package, silly. It's a debian port of the same idea. |
| 14:13.59 | bonez41 | directhex|work, thanks.. |
| 14:14.05 | EmleyMoor | I am running woody on my desktop and sarge on my laptop and database server - the sarge installs are "as they come", the woody includes some backports |
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| 14:14.22 | resiak | EmleyMoor: Wow. That's really interesting. ;_ |
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| 14:14.32 | SiliconViper | streuner_, I am aware of this, and I do it frequently. You're just full of helpful advice, aren't you? |
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| 14:14.39 | directhex|work | EmleyMoor, so it's not really woody anymore |
| 14:14.53 | strk | it seems I need the freepats package, but apt-cache search doesn't list any candidate |
| 14:14.56 | EmleyMoor | It's woody enough for me |
| 14:14.56 | chugga | i got oss to work |
| 14:14.58 | elirips | what should the output of lspci look like if it found my firewire device? |
| 14:15.05 | chugga | modprobe isnt working right - it wont load the required stuff |
| 14:15.06 | directhex|work | !info freepats |
| 14:15.08 | chugga | what do i run to update it? |
| 14:15.08 | jim | hmm, it's to a different jre entirely |
| 14:15.10 | dpkg | freepats: (Free patch set for MIDI audio synthesis), section sound, is optional. Version: 20040611-1 (sid), Packaged size: 27936 kB, Installed size: 32304 kB |
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| 14:15.28 | streuner_ | SiliconViper: dude, you are playing with sysvinit and have no idea how to remove that package..., don't whine if you system is fscked. |
| 14:15.28 | nSe | [resiak] ok, thanks, i'll do it |
| 14:15.32 | resiak | elirips: Well, look for the word "firewire", amazingly enough. |
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| 14:15.44 | jim | I may have found the problem |
| 14:15.59 | valdyn | SiliconViper: try something like: dpkg --remove --purge --force-all <yourbootsplashthing> && apt-get install sysv-rc ( no guarantees for anything ) |
| 14:16.03 | HaTeMaC | i just installed the sarge cd on my ide disk (grub) and installed grub in the mbr, but my windows xp on my sata disk contunue to boot up, no matter what boot settings i use in the bios |
| 14:16.05 | strk | directhex... It doesn't get into my cache, why (mine is a sarge) |
| 14:16.08 | HaTeMaC | how can i change this? |
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| 14:16.34 | EmleyMoor | nullmailer is not lsb compliant... should I worry about this? |
| 14:16.37 | elirips | resiak: and if on no line it says something about firewire it has not been found? what to do now? |
| 14:16.45 | SiliconViper | streuner_, The system is perfectly fine, thank you. I have many ideas, and the man pages, and /usr/share/doc, have provided more.ideas. However, they haven't worked. Now, are you going to contribute something useful, or just continue spouting silly unhelpful comments? |
| 14:16.47 | Blissex | EmleyMoor: note very much... ;-) |
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| 14:16.58 | SiliconViper | s/more.ideas/more ideas/ |
| 14:17.00 | resiak | elirips: Look for IEEE 1394. |
| 14:17.02 | strk | !info freepats |
| 14:17.05 | dpkg | freepats: (Free patch set for MIDI audio synthesis), section sound, is optional. Version: 20040611-1 (sid), Packaged size: 27936 kB, Installed size: 32304 kB |
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| 14:17.15 | bonez41 | what is the -t flag used for with apt-get? |
| 14:17.31 | resiak | bonez41: man apt-get |
| 14:17.38 | noloK | hey jim :) i forgot the parport_pc support :) |
| 14:17.43 | jim | what's oji in libjavaplugin_oji.so? |
| 14:17.47 | paulswm | resiak: crap, you beat me to it |
| 14:17.48 | EmleyMoor | OK - time to give nullmailer a try - seen as exim just won't act as satellite for me any more |
| 14:17.49 | noloK | jim now with it, it works |
| 14:18.02 | jim | noloK: cool :) printing and everything? |
| 14:18.09 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 14:18.14 | elirips | resiak: if it is not there, how to install it? |
| 14:18.15 | jim | la |
| 14:18.19 | paulswm | le |
| 14:18.27 | noloK | jim yes |
| 14:18.31 | jim | good :) |
| 14:18.32 | noloK | jim thanks :) |
| 14:18.34 | elirips | and can someone tell me what a SMBus Controller is for? |
| 14:18.36 | jim | sure |
| 14:18.43 | jim | but you found it :P |
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| 14:18.53 | Blissex | elirips: depends. |
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| 14:19.09 | Blissex | elirips: usually it gets info out of temp/voltage sensors chips. |
| 14:19.09 | directhex|work | elirips, temperature sensors live on smbus |
| 14:19.11 | jim | I just told you what my guess of what it might probably maybe was possibly :) |
| 14:19.13 | EmleyMoor | I have almost every feature of this laptop working in Debian now - including the wireless and modem |
| 14:19.20 | SiliconViper | valdyn, thanks for the tip. I wish I could say it did the trick, but sadly this is not so. Thanks anyways though, your help is appreciated. |
| 14:19.28 | resiak | elirips: You should realise that lspci literally shows you what is on your PCI bus, and has no connection to whether or not you can actually use things on it. If your ieee1394 isn't showing up on the re... |
| 14:19.58 | FieldySnuts | @win EmleyMoor |
| 14:20.01 | ravenbird | Congratulations, EmleyMoor! You have won the US presidency! |
| 14:20.30 | noloK | jim nevermind :) thanks anyway |
| 14:20.39 | valdyn | SiliconViper: im sure it "works" , but i said "something like". Problem is i cannot tell you what to install not knowing what your package really contains. |
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| 14:21.04 | jim | noloK: my point is you should do that part too sometimes :) |
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| 14:21.51 | elirips | resiak: okay, so i'll ask the other way round: how can i find out if my firewire is working or not? or: has been detected by linux? |
| 14:21.51 | noloK | jim which part? |
| 14:21.56 | valdyn | SiliconViper: if that package however installed cleanly, then looking at its "Replaces" field should yield useful info |
| 14:22.02 | noloK | jim i don't like to change/recompile the kernel often |
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| 14:22.13 | jim | trying to guess what's missing |
| 14:22.31 | chugga | this is confused. |
| 14:22.33 | bonez41 | directhex|work, thanks for tip...that did the trick...the dpkg instructions |
| 14:22.34 | chugga | modules are a mess |
| 14:22.36 | jim | meeeeetooooo. I like sticking with a kernel for awhile |
| 14:22.46 | resiak | elirips: And I'll tell you that if it's not on lspci, there's no way in hell that it's working. |
| 14:22.46 | jharrisonwk | mmmm drugs |
| 14:22.48 | chugga | how the hell does is it supposed to work? what do you change? i've tried running depmod |
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| 14:22.51 | valdyn | SiliconViper: then again if you --force-all installed it you may be in even more deep shit |
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| 14:23.20 | jim | ok, here I go running a java applet... |
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| 14:23.26 | SiliconViper | valdyn, no worries there, it was a clean apt-get install sysv-rc-bootsplash. |
| 14:23.29 | speakman_ | Hi folks! |
| 14:23.46 | jim | if I disappear, you;ll know I'll probably be back sometime :P |
| 14:23.54 | chugga | hello... |
| 14:23.56 | SiliconViper | All went according to plan, everything worked, and now I want to try my hand at doing my own bootsplash script! |
| 14:23.58 | jharrisonwk | speakman_: greetings! |
| 14:24.01 | SiliconViper | So I'm removing it. |
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| 14:24.04 | chugga | i need help with kernel modules |
| 14:24.12 | speakman_ | How can i mirror only ONE Debian dist on my harddrive? |
| 14:24.18 | Rawplayer | why chugga |
| 14:24.23 | EmleyMoor | I stick with a kernel as soon as I have a definitive one under that version, unless I need to upgrade because of a driver/kernel bug or something... I do tend to keep new ones "ready to roll" though |
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| 14:24.26 | resiak | chugga: Ask a question -- don't just say you need help. |
| 14:24.30 | speakman_ | With only ONE version of each package! |
| 14:24.48 | jharrisonwk | speakman_: wow! |
| 14:24.49 | jim | chugga: /msg apt sicco |
| 14:24.56 | speakman_ | jharrisonwk: ?? :) |
| 14:25.04 | EmleyMoor | (if the machine crashes, installing the new kernel won't have much effect on uptime!) |
| 14:25.06 | jharrisonwk | speakman_: ??! |
| 14:25.07 | chugga | Rawplayer, i removed alsa and now oss wont work properly. it used to be that i'd modprobe maestro3 .. but now i need to go to /lib/modules/kernel/drivers/sound and insmod ac97_codec then maestro3 |
| 14:25.11 | elirips | resiak: mmh... okay... i don't need it anyway.. it is just the only thing left i don't get to work... bluetooth and ir are now finally working.. (altough i have no devices to test them) |
| 14:25.26 | EmleyMoor | My laptop gets more kernel upgrades - but that's because of the wireless |
| 14:25.29 | jharrisonwk | ok im too sick and drugged up to keep using the ! point |
| 14:25.32 | Rawplayer | chugga: put it into your kernel and make the modules |
| 14:25.40 | jim | chugga: maybe you have to depmod -a? |
| 14:25.43 | resiak | elirips: Thing is, I'm _very_ surprised that ieee1394 isn't showing up on lspci. |
| 14:25.49 | SiliconViper | Removing sysv-rc-bootsplash ... |
| 14:25.49 | SiliconViper | Testing if patches remove cleanly... |
| 14:25.49 | SiliconViper | Patches remove cleanly, un-patching files... |
| 14:25.51 | chugga | i already ran blood depmod |
| 14:25.53 | chugga | but now with -a |
| 14:26.00 | resiak | elirips: lspci | grep 1394 |
| 14:26.06 | resiak | SiliconViper: Don't paste. |
| 14:26.15 | jim | blood depmod! when your modules are stuck to pinhead! |
| 14:26.18 | SiliconViper | resiak, 'tis okay, it's done now. |
| 14:26.21 | SiliconViper | ^_^ |
| 14:26.26 | jharrisonwk | ! |
| 14:26.41 | chugga | the thing is also screwed around with shit and removing it didnt restore state. besides the maestro stuff was alreadsy there even before alsa |
| 14:26.49 | leonel | any more news about sarge release aside the old news on the topic ? |
| 14:26.51 | speakman_ | jharrisonwk: I would need the latest packages of Woody.. All of them |
| 14:26.53 | chugga | it came with my kernel. so why should depmod change anything.. it wont.. |
| 14:26.54 | resiak | chugga: Could you be _any_ more vague? |
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| 14:27.11 | elirips | resiak: it is not there. |
| 14:27.13 | chugga | resiak, could you? |
| 14:27.15 | SiliconViper | valdyn, ^_~ There we go, I fixed it. Just had to rebuild a function in the prerm script. Removes fine now. |
| 14:27.15 | speakman_ | jharrisonwk: I've been using jigdo for over two days in a row, but it's still not done |
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| 14:27.23 | resiak | chugga: I'm not the one asking for help :) |
| 14:27.25 | resiak | elirips: Bugger. |
| 14:27.30 | chugga | resiak, true dat.. |
| 14:27.35 | jim | chugga: maybe that's the problem of why alsa didn't work? driver already claiming device? |
| 14:27.37 | speakman_ | jharrisonwk: and the tmp-file is stuck at 3.9GB |
| 14:27.40 | jharrisonwk | chugga: you have screwed it too much with shit |
| 14:27.45 | jim | wild guess. |
| 14:27.51 | chugga | jim, no alsa worked but it was gay as hell. it sounded worse than an AM radio |
| 14:28.00 | jharrisonwk | speakman_: I cant help you |
| 14:28.07 | jim | wild, unsubstanciated, unknown, umm, etc. |
| 14:28.07 | chugga | jharrison, lucky that i havent! |
| 14:28.09 | jharrisonwk | chugga: you are gay |
| 14:28.17 | chugga | jharrison, hey fuck you.. |
| 14:28.22 | SiliconViper | valdyn, Thanks for the suggestions. I appreciate your willingness to offer constructive commentary and advice. |
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| 14:28.22 | jharrisonwk | chugga: no thanks |
| 14:28.33 | jharrisonwk | chugga: I would not let you touch me with a 10 foot pole |
| 14:28.41 | jim | jharrisonwk: careful :) that could buy you a quick and easily won lawsuit :) |
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| 14:28.59 | jharrisonwk | jim: cant I just stab him or something instead |
| 14:29.20 | elirips | resiak: please tell me if i'm wrong: so lspci has nothing to do with the modules compiled or things built-in the kernel? even in an almost 'empty' kernel lspci should work? |
| 14:29.20 | speakman_ | jharrisonwk: ok |
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| 14:29.31 | resiak | elirips: As far as I know, yes. |
| 14:29.42 | speakman_ | Anyone else knows how to mirror an Debian FTP with only one Distribution (Woody) ? |
| 14:29.45 | chugga | depmod modules.conf .. its all just bullshit |
| 14:30.01 | jim | why are all these latent people calling others gay anyway? |
| 14:30.08 | jharrisonwk | chugga: why dont you compile a kernel with everything built in and forget about modules? |
| 14:30.29 | chugga | jharrison, i didnt compile this kernel - it came like this |
| 14:30.50 | jharrisonwk | chugga: why dont you compile a kernel with everything built in and forget about modules? |
| 14:30.57 | chugga | :( |
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| 14:31.08 | ETpro | is their a norwegian debian chat? |
| 14:31.15 | elirips | resiak: thanks. |
| 14:31.17 | valdyn | !norwegian |
| 14:31.17 | dpkg | hmm... norwegian is the language spoken in Norway, or better than swedish |
| 14:31.23 | chugga | man linux sucks, i cant wait for a better OS |
| 14:31.24 | ETpro | ;) |
| 14:31.34 | valdyn | ETpro: guess not |
| 14:31.36 | Blissex | chugga: it sucks less... |
| 14:31.43 | ETpro | well.. too bad.. |
| 14:31.48 | valdyn | !whine |
| 14:31.48 | dpkg | i heard whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
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| 14:32.07 | chugga | debian sucks as well |
| 14:32.16 | streuner_ | then leave now |
| 14:32.20 | Fuwex | does Debian have a preinstalled identd server that may interfere with oidentd? |
| 14:32.26 | SiliconViper | chugga, then don't use it, if it sucks so much. |
| 14:32.30 | PerfDave | Fuwex: Doubt it |
| 14:32.37 | chugga | SiliconViper, what do i use instead? |
| 14:32.41 | PerfDave | chugga: Windows |
| 14:32.47 | directhex|work | PerfDave, because there's no -pm kernels prebuilt? |
| 14:32.48 | SiliconViper | chugga, sounds like Windows is what you want. |
| 14:32.51 | Gathond | Fuwex: I doubt base have an identd installed, but oidentd is in debian iirc |
| 14:32.53 | chugga | oh please. im having enough trouble with windows already |
| 14:32.56 | PerfDave | directhex|work: -pm? |
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| 14:33.03 | sanso | no need to feed - just watch mr/s chugga whine ;-D |
| 14:33.03 | xam | PerfDave: because some people need functionality that is not in the prebuilt kernels? |
| 14:33.04 | Gathond | chugga: DOS 1.0 ... that should be safe |
| 14:33.07 | PerfDave | chugga: Maybe you should join the Amish. |
| 14:33.09 | SiliconViper | chugga, at least there, there are people PAID to listen to you cry, and pretend to care. |
| 14:33.32 | Fuwex | Gathond, yes I installed oidentd to work with psybnc, but it appears that it wont work as it should (removing the ~ before addresses and such) |
| 14:33.38 | PerfDave | xam: Very few people do, IME. Most people who whinge here about kernel compilation woes don't need to be compiling one in the first place. |
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| 14:33.48 | PerfDave | Fuwex: Use netstat to see what's listening on the ident port? |
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| 14:34.08 | SiliconViper | chugga, Sorry if it sounds harsh, it's just annoying to listen to people whine about 'omg, linux is lame', hoping it will encourage people to help them harder. It just creates apathy. |
| 14:34.08 | chugga | nah look i really wish someone would explain to me how modules work under linux. i know how to put them in my kernel, and sometimes i know how to take them out. i understand that pretty well. but whats with this whole modules.dep modules.conf nonsense |
| 14:34.09 | Coke | Where can the dpkg output be found when you get the "sub process" error when configuring and/or installing a package? |
| 14:34.10 | directhex|work | PerfDave, pentium m. suffers pretty dramatic speed drops using -686 or -586 compared to -pentium-m |
| 14:34.11 | Gathond | Fuwex: broken routers and what not could cause that, or not having port 113 accessable from the internet |
| 14:34.15 | SiliconViper | And frustration. |
| 14:34.29 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Become a package maintainer! :) |
| 14:34.29 | Fuwex | Gathond, ah I have to NAT port 113? |
| 14:34.39 | chugga | i even understand modules.dep - thats where you tell what dependent modules a module has |
| 14:34.47 | Analyser | Hi, Someone knoe how can i make a ip forward with ipchains, using a interface address and not a ip address? |
| 14:34.47 | chugga | i suppose my real problem is with modules.conf.. |
| 14:34.50 | valdyn | chugga: modules.dep: lists which module depends on which |
| 14:34.54 | chugga | valdyn, ok |
| 14:35.02 | Gathond | Fuwex: depending on your setup, but the requests to oidentd enters at that port, so the machine that runs it must recieve requests for that port |
| 14:35.05 | directhex|work | PerfDave, i'd need sponsorship & stuff, and as a fan of nvidia, i wouldn't pass the open-source-song test |
| 14:35.08 | valdyn | chugga: modules.conf: lists options and name aliases |
| 14:35.16 | Fuwex | Gathond, okay thanks, I'll try to open it |
| 14:35.21 | chugga | valdyn, im not supposed to hand edit that file - right? |
| 14:35.31 | valdyn | chugga: right |
| 14:35.31 | PerfDave | directhex|work: And yet there are debian developers who create the nVidia debian packages... |
| 14:35.38 | chugga | valdyn, okay. so how the hell do i update it? |
| 14:35.44 | PerfDave | directhex|work: You could just create the packages yourself and have an unofficial repository ;) |
| 14:35.52 | valdyn | chugga: update? for what? |
| 14:35.56 | SiliconViper | chugga: /sbin/update-modules: a lovely app to handle most of this for you. |
| 14:36.12 | leikh | i have two files - one with 3000 mailaddresses, and the other with 200 mailaddresses that corresponds to mailaddresses i want to remove from the first list. what's the easy way to manage this? |
| 14:36.18 | chugga | valdyn, it doesnt work correctly. the alias is wrong. SiliconViper i already tried that damn script... |
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| 14:36.37 | valdyn | chugga: i need the whole error or my info is just going to be correct and useless |
| 14:37.01 | resiak | directhex|work: Speaking of pentium-m, have you rebuilt libc6? |
| 14:37.03 | SiliconViper | chugga, that 'damn script' has saved some people (myself included) hours of what you're suffering now. ^_~ |
| 14:37.15 | directhex|work | PerfDave, if i had sufficient bandwidth, i might |
| 14:37.18 | chugga | valdyn, ok. im tried to get it so when i do modprobe maestro3 it will modprobe it correctly - which it doesnt right now - that should involving insmod ac97_codec and sndcore then insmod maestro3 |
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| 14:37.23 | sanso | leikh, best to ask in #perl or #python, I guess |
| 14:37.30 | directhex|work | resiak, not yet |
| 14:37.34 | p88_ | what program is best to be used to make spreadsheets and graphs? |
| 14:37.39 | leikh | sanso: will do |
| 14:37.42 | chugga | SiliconViper, Ah |
| 14:37.46 | PerfDave | directhex|work: I'm sure getting access to a webserver won't be hard. |
| 14:37.50 | Blissex | p88_: there are very many of those... |
| 14:37.56 | SiliconViper | p88_, apt-cache search spreadsheet ? |
| 14:38.03 | resiak | directhex|work: I haven't managed to successfully rebuild it, but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. |
| 14:38.08 | p88_ | SiliconViper: best... |
| 14:38.11 | p88_ | I find a lot |
| 14:38.18 | Blissex | p88_: check the OpenOffice.org spreasheet, the KOffice one, 'oleo', 'gnumeric', ... |
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| 14:38.21 | chugga | valdyn, right now it doesnt insmod those - apart from sndcore |
| 14:38.24 | SiliconViper | p88_, I'd recommend gnumeric. It seems good. |
| 14:38.41 | p88_ | :) |
| 14:38.44 | p88_ | thanks |
| 14:38.48 | chugga | valdyn, i suspect its because gay ass alsa made an alias called maestro3 for snd-maestro-3 snd-oss- ... snd-alsa-nonsense |
| 14:38.49 | SiliconViper | p88_, no worries! |
| 14:38.51 | p88_ | I will try that one out |
| 14:38.55 | valdyn | chugga: look at /etc/modutils/alsa-base |
| 14:39.06 | valdyn | chugga: is the stuff you need in that file? |
| 14:39.11 | SiliconViper | p88_, you could always do what I do: install them all, try them out, remove the ones that suck. ^_^ |
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| 14:39.16 | chugga | valdyn, i removed alsa |
| 14:39.20 | Fuwex | PerfDave, how would I use netstat to do that? Yes, I'm reading the manual, but not sure which one of the many options to use |
| 14:39.21 | jharrisonwk | chugga: why dont you try userlinux or something |
| 14:39.26 | chugga | apt-get remove alsa-base |
| 14:39.32 | chugga | jharrison, hmm? |
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| 14:39.53 | valdyn | chugga: oh, sorry, you removed alsa and are trying to use oss and uh, use udev? |
| 14:39.59 | chugga | valdyn, just OSS |
| 14:40.03 | chugga | i dunno what udev is |
| 14:40.11 | resiak | !udev |
| 14:40.11 | dpkg | somebody said udev was at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit |
| 14:40.15 | valdyn | chugga: psaux | grep udevd |
| 14:40.21 | jharrisonwk | chugga: you cant expect to use linux and know nothing about it |
| 14:40.28 | jharrisonwk | chugga: you have to read and learn |
| 14:40.32 | valdyn | chugga: i need to know if its running anyway, see above how to do that |
| 14:40.34 | chugga | jharrison, im trying to learn man |
| 14:40.39 | chugga | its not running val |
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| 14:41.02 | jharrisonwk | chugga: if you want a system that will be easy for you without doing much work you probably should not use debian |
| 14:41.11 | resiak | valdyn: You realise that there was no space in "psaux" there? |
| 14:41.22 | valdyn | resiak: ouch |
| 14:41.26 | greycat | jharrisonwk: or any computer at all except a Mac. |
| 14:41.33 | valdyn | chugga: run "ps aux | grep udevd" |
| 14:41.35 | kinniin | why debian is very easy to use |
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| 14:41.41 | jharrisonwk | greycat: yes I agree |
| 14:41.42 | chugga | jharrison, then whats the use of using debian apart from apt-get (peace be upon you) |
| 14:41.48 | chugga | valdyn, nothing |
| 14:42.07 | EmleyMoor | Debian is the most trouble-free system I have ever run - that's not to say it wasn't difficult at times |
| 14:42.15 | jharrisonwk | chugga: thats too deep a topic then I wish to get into as im not feeling well |
| 14:42.34 | chugga | EmleyMoor, dont you see the contradiction in that? trouble IS difficult times |
| 14:42.37 | orjan | I installed fluidsynth, not much in the docs. Is there any sondfontpackage or if I dl soundfonts any standard location to put them? |
| 14:42.40 | kinniin | Debian is a all apt-get, whats so hard about that, badda bing badda boom |
| 14:42.41 | greycat | !tell chugga about why debian |
| 14:43.00 | jharrisonwk | chugga: there are a lot of things that make debian an excellent OS, apt-get/dpkg is only one of them |
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| 14:43.03 | kinniin | Once the system is up and running, it is as easy to use as any...windows, mac, whatever |
| 14:43.09 | strubbel | has tcl booleans? |
| 14:43.21 | PerfDave | Fuwex: netstat -p will show you processes listening to ports. |
| 14:43.22 | chugga | jharrison, ok - maybe the community - and that Free stuff. but apart from that its a pretty ordinary distro |
| 14:43.25 | Fuwex | thanks PerfDave |
| 14:43.26 | EmleyMoor | chugga: Trouble with Debian is mild compared to trouble with other systems |
| 14:43.26 | greycat | strubbel: you can use an integer value as true/false just like in C |
| 14:43.32 | elirips | i know i can check with lsmod what modules are currently loaded. is there a way to check what drivers in the kernel are being used (if they have been built into the kernel)? |
| 14:43.37 | valdyn | chugga: ok, just give up on autoloading these modules would be my advice and "echo <modulename> >> /etc/modules" ( the >> isnt a typo ) |
| 14:43.39 | strubbel | greycat: ok |
| 14:43.43 | jharrisonwk | chugga: the community and the free stuff are icing on the cake |
| 14:43.46 | chugga | EmleyMoor, uh, thats a pretty crap compliment to give to anyone |
| 14:43.47 | sanso | chugga, it's the work/benefit ratio IMHO that makes debian worth it. |
| 14:43.53 | kinniin | Debian lasts and last, like it is 40 year old code |
| 14:43.53 | strubbel | set bingo 0 |
| 14:44.08 | jharrisonwk | chugga: those are not what I would consider reasons that make it a good OS |
| 14:44.08 | chugga | sanso, and ppl just finished telling me you have to work hard to maintain debian. surely you cant have it both ways |
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| 14:44.23 | PerfDave | greycat: Any computer at all, except a pre-OS X Mac. |
| 14:44.23 | greycat | strubbel: although I can't remember for sure whether "if {$foo}" is valid. You might have to use "if {$foo != 0}". Try it and see, I gues.s |
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| 14:44.41 | kinniin | maintain debian, no problem, apt-get install update |
| 14:44.42 | strubbel | greycat: yup :) |
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| 14:44.46 | valdyn | seems much easier to maintain debian than anything else i tried |
| 14:44.52 | streuner_ | greycat: <chugga> debian sucks as well |
| 14:45.00 | jharrisonwk | chugga: you have to work hard to learn linux in general |
| 14:45.06 | greycat | all operating systems suck. debian just sucks less. |
| 14:45.23 | jharrisonwk | chugga: if you want to just install an OS and have it work without lifting a finger then debian is not what you want |
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| 14:45.26 | chugga | greycat, what about that OS X the kids are always raving about |
| 14:45.32 | sanso | greycat, mutt user ;-) |
| 14:45.38 | greycat | chugga: never used it. can't comment on it. |
| 14:45.40 | chugga | jharrison, i dont mind working hard to learn - but i dont want to work hard to run my distro |
| 14:45.46 | kinniin | How could you say Debian sucks, the only, that sucks is its name, deb ian, better it were blue pants or something |
| 14:45.52 | Blissex | chugga: however there are very nice Debian derived distributions that are really easy to use. |
| 14:45.54 | kinniin | But RPM is annoying, thats for apt-get |
| 14:45.57 | valdyn | chugga: you doing what I wrote above? |
| 14:46.00 | strubbel | greycat: like mutt does? |
| 14:46.05 | FieldySnuts | @lart rpm |
| 14:46.09 | jharrisonwk | chugga: if you know how debian works you dont have to work hard to run it or maintain it |
| 14:46.10 | chugga | valdyn, hmm what did you say |
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| 14:46.17 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 14:46.25 | greycat | @test |
| 14:46.28 | valdyn | chugga: ok, just give up on autoloading these modules would be my advice and "echo <modulename> >> /etc/modules" ( the >> isnt a typo ) |
| 14:46.31 | topa | !seen hairy_potter |
| 14:46.32 | dpkg | hairy_potter <suraj@219.64.157.10> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14d 23h 59m 47s ago, saying: 'poleWurk: gnuplot, even :)'. |
| 14:47.06 | chugga | jharrison, all i know is i did a dist-upgrade and all these services got started so much that my XP box loads faster than it - and that debian doesnt deal with kernel modules very well |
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| 14:47.23 | Blissex | chugga: examples of good ``dont worry too much'' Debian based distributions: Libranet, Ubuntu, Knoppix, Kanotix (in particular the last two). |
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| 14:47.31 | chugga | val, ok, cheers |
| 14:47.45 | kinniin | debian is all kernel modules, its the best when it comes to modular design |
| 14:47.47 | valdyn | Ubuntu isnt any easier than debian ( imo ) |
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| 14:47.55 | zmia | bonjour y a t il des francais ? |
| 14:48.02 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: what? |
| 14:48.03 | Blissex | chugga: that Debian by default starts every daemon that one installs is something that I deeply dislike too. |
| 14:48.07 | streuner_ | !FR |
| 14:48.08 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 14:48.17 | lwolf | zmia, #debian-fr |
| 14:48.24 | kinniin | jharrison, debian is all kernel modules |
| 14:48.32 | lwolf | oups.. ;) |
| 14:48.33 | valdyn | !remove alsa |
| 14:48.37 | valdyn | hmm |
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| 14:48.57 | chugga | and im not sure how practical it is to have /etc/ stuff that is machine generated for some things and user edited in others - this should be isolated better |
| 14:48.58 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: so why does my lsmod print this |
| 14:49.01 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: Module Size Used by |
| 14:49.13 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: there are no modules |
| 14:49.14 | zakame | greycat: heh, i guess that would still make sense if %s/su/ro/ && s/less/more/ |
| 14:49.16 | Blissex | valdyn: the story with Ubuntu is that since it is well packaged with most recent drivers and programs a mortal user has little work to do to configure it on a recent machine. |
| 14:49.24 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: so what are you talking about? |
| 14:49.39 | greycat | zakame: "all operating systems rock" is clearly false. |
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| 14:49.51 | chugga | Blissex, you forgot mepis |
| 14:49.59 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 14:50.00 | kinniin | jharrisonwk, dunnu, mine, and every debian I installed was all modules, you got some unknown version. Everything is modules o9n me |
| 14:50.01 | jharrisonwk | interesting |
| 14:50.07 | fusibou | I have a notebook and I have to restart gdm when I switch from external monitor to internal. I would like a Gnome launcher to do this. I wrote a simple script that uses sudo to call /etc/init.d/gdm restart but because gdm dies with the first part (stop) it kills the session before it can restart. |
| 14:50.08 | persoontje | join #debian-nl |
| 14:50.17 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: its called kernel recompile |
| 14:50.49 | elirips | and another question about modules: if i see that a module is loaded, but 'used by' is 0, does this mean i don't need that module, or does that mean the module is just not used at the moment? |
| 14:50.55 | kinniin | so if you did that then why are you complaining, you don't want modules I guess if you recompiled kernel for yourself, dunnu why u would though |
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| 14:51.13 | chugga | elis, its not used at the moment |
| 14:51.19 | chugga | elis, but it might well be (or not) |
| 14:51.21 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: you dont know why I would compile a kernel for myself? |
| 14:51.36 | elirips | okay, thanks. |
| 14:51.40 | resiak | chugga: Do you really not have tab-completion? |
| 14:51.43 | valdyn | elirips: not even that |
| 14:51.46 | Blissex | chugga: I like Mepis too, but it is a bit too hacky... |
| 14:51.57 | kinniin | why would you recompile kernel with everything built in, why not recompile leaving everything as kernels |
| 14:51.57 | chugga | resiak, it doesnt work very well :-/ |
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| 14:52.12 | resiak | chugga: There isn't even a user called elis on here! |
| 14:52.14 | Blissex | chugga: it is more oriented to people who like to push things to the bleeding edge. |
| 14:52.26 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: because I dont like modules |
| 14:52.29 | kinniin | I type lsmod on mine, and everything on my system is a module except cpu and ram |
| 14:52.31 | chugga | Blissex, Oh? i downloaded it intending to replace the family XP install with mepis |
| 14:52.44 | Overand | is there a 'proper' way to install sun's java virtual machine on debian? |
| 14:52.45 | chugga | resiak, hmm, true |
| 14:52.53 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: and I feel there is a slight performance gain building a small kernel with everything it needs built into it |
| 14:52.54 | directhex|work | !tell Overand about java-package |
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| 14:53.03 | Blissex | chugga: Mepis is quite nice, but among those I mentioned above it is a bit bleeding edge. |
| 14:53.04 | kinniin | jharrisonwk, oh, ok, why didn't you say that from beginning. Modules are state of the art, can't imagine why no like |
| 14:53.17 | Blissex | chugga: you seemed to want something fairly conservative... |
| 14:53.18 | Overand | directhex|work: no message |
| 14:53.21 | directhex|work | !tell Overand about j2se-package |
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| 14:53.24 | elirips | valdyn: what then? |
| 14:53.49 | chugga | Blissex, i want something really EASY to maintain and use :) |
| 14:53.53 | kinniin | jharrisonwk, but now if you change nic, won't it crash? |
| 14:54.01 | Overand | hey, that's nice, thanks directhex|work |
| 14:54.07 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: it wont crash but I wont have network |
| 14:54.20 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: but thats why I recompile with support for the new nic |
| 14:54.29 | kinniin | jharrisonwk, I see, but if you add new nic, must recompile |
| 14:54.32 | Overand | although it's apparently deprecated |
| 14:54.35 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: yes |
| 14:54.36 | valdyn | elirips: i dont know how its counted exactly, but a module can be in use when the counter is zero, as it looks to me |
| 14:54.38 | Blissex | chugga: then install Knoppix in Knoppix mode or Kanotix in autodiscovery mode, those are pretty automatic. |
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| 14:54.55 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: unless I build modules for all other nic's and just dont use them unless I need to switch out nics |
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| 14:55.02 | Blissex | chugga: but try Mepis, if it works for you straightaway it is pretty nice. |
| 14:55.04 | chugga | Blissex, knoppix is a good live distro but it sucks when installed to disk |
| 14:55.07 | kinniin | I compiled kernel before when I was using redhat, lots and lots of questions to answer that I didn't know nothing about |
| 14:55.10 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: the point is not that using modules is bad |
| 14:55.14 | Blissex | chugga: no, it is just about the same as the others. |
| 14:55.23 | chugga | well fair point |
| 14:55.25 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: the point is to have everything the immediate system needs compiled in |
| 14:55.27 | Blissex | chugga: it is just yet another Debian derivative. |
| 14:55.44 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: you can have modules compiled waiting just in case you add or change hardware too |
| 14:55.58 | Overand | chugga: i've had hd-installs of knoppix. it takes some effort to bring it into the realm of 'close to a proper debian install' but it's doable |
| 14:56.00 | kinniin | jharrisonwk, so you are the only one who compiled the kernel without modules, how and when to you make the diffence |
| 14:56.12 | Blissex | chugga: the advantage Knoppix has is that if installed to HD in Knoppix mode it will continue to do autodiscovery, so if you add/remove cards or peripherals it will still autoconfigure itself... |
| 14:56.19 | elirips | valdyn: well, so i should leave support for all the modules lsmod shows me in my new kernel, even if used by is zero (?) |
| 14:56.19 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: im not the only one that compiles kernels this way |
| 14:56.42 | Blissex | chugga: same with Kanotix BTW IIRC. Mepis also has fairly good, but not as complete, autodiscovery. |
| 14:56.50 | kinniin | jharrisonwk, how do you compile so all the previous modules are built into kernel |
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| 14:57.49 | chugga | Blissex, that sounds pretty cool, if true .. but my problem with knoppix is the half assed nature of it - its not debian so how are you gonna maintain it? when you run an apt-get update what happens to all the knoppix specific scripts? |
| 14:57.53 | Lee__ | I'm having trouble finding a CD burning front end that doesn't complain that my 2.6 kernel isn't using ide-scsi emulation. Any tips? |
| 14:58.10 | valdyn | elirips: that doesnt hurt, just the usage counter isnt an indicator for that. |
| 14:58.17 | kinniin | whats the deal with sco? |
| 14:58.19 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: configure the kernel options as * instead of M |
| 14:58.29 | kinniin | jharrisonwk, I see |
| 14:58.36 | EmleyMoor | Lee__: Use a more modern front end |
| 14:58.42 | Blissex | chugga: you put the Knoppix APT sources before the Debian ones... |
| 14:58.43 | kinniin | jharrisonwk, you ever heard of sco? |
| 14:58.52 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: yes unfortunately |
| 14:58.58 | EmleyMoor | (however, I have yet to find one devoid of at least one bug!) |
| 14:59.05 | chugga | Blissex, hmm by default they're at the bottom |
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| 14:59.16 | Lee__ | EmleyMoor: apt-cache search modern front end |
| 14:59.28 | giovanni | hi |
| 14:59.30 | kinniin | jharrisonwk, whats the deal, they are saying that if IBM releases their patents, then sco's products will be obsolete? |
| 14:59.30 | Lee__ | no luck |
| 14:59.39 | EmleyMoor | gcdmaster is happy with ATA, but sadly zoom doesn't work for me in that version |
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| 14:59.48 | Blissex | chugga: thats the sdafe way to do things... |
| 15:00.02 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: IBM released patents already |
| 15:00.16 | kinniin | jharrisonwk, I know |
| 15:00.18 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: other then that im not up on the whole SCO vs. IBM thing |
| 15:00.26 | jharrisonwk | kinniin: I lost interest in it a while back |
| 15:00.33 | kinniin | jharrisonwk, I think it may be a very big deal for linux |
| 15:00.42 | chugga | yeah SCO is more boring that that blonde woman in jail |
| 15:00.47 | chugga | s/that/than |
| 15:01.17 | EmleyMoor | Lee__: If you have a front-end you like that you want to see supporting ATA, submit it as a feature request |
| 15:01.25 | chugga | btw has anyone done a patch for one of the common irc clients to actually act up spelling/factual/other corrections in IRC ? |
| 15:01.25 | kinniin | I never heard of sco before that, and if they are suiing what about all the other company that sell *nix software |
| 15:01.29 | hedonick | jharrisonwk: only really interesting thing going on with SCO is that Yarro got canned from Canopy and now Canopy is suing him and he's suing Canopy :) |
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| 15:01.44 | valdyn | elirips: ok, looks like "use" = number of applications using it + number of loaded modules depending on it |
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| 15:02.18 | hedonick | kinniin: don't confuse current SCO with the original Santa Cruz Organization... current SCO used to be Caldera... they just changed the name. |
| 15:02.25 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.32 | giovanni | mepis don't recognize my usb bar how can i do? |
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| 15:03.12 | Lee__ | EmleyMoor: thanks. I'm digging through sarge. found some things. |
| 15:03.26 | nvz | giovanni: #mepis |
| 15:03.31 | kinniin | so sco sells open source software? |
| 15:03.40 | kinniin | hedonick, ? |
| 15:03.42 | nvz | giovanni: debian is _NOT_ mepis |
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| 15:04.11 | Overand | ahahaa, the java runtime installer speifies that the JRE is *not* for use in nuclear facilities |
| 15:04.16 | Overand | that's the most insane clause i've ever read |
| 15:04.26 | barra | hello when I run adduser I got the following error message: "passwd: Module is unknown" I think there is a PAM configuration error but what ? |
| 15:04.34 | chugga | whats up with debian is not X - the reason a lot of ppl try out the X distro is because they're told "oh its just like debian .. you are can do a full debian install via a live cd" |
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| 15:05.19 | Overand | generally speaking enough stuff is different that there are issues that can crop up that are related not to problems with debian but problems with said fork |
| 15:05.20 | Blissex | chugga: Debian is deveral things: an organization, a package repository, and a distro. This channel is dedicated mostly to the distro. |
| 15:05.21 | valdyn | chugga: those people are wrong |
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| 15:05.27 | nvz | Overand: its been known to accelerate nuclear reactions :P |
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| 15:05.42 | chugga | valdyn, i never see ppl correct them when they say those things |
| 15:05.44 | Overand | nvz: caffeine is dangerous to particle physics eh? |
| 15:05.48 | kinniin | I like trying different window managers, but there are only deb packages on apt-get for fluxbox and xfce I believe |
| 15:05.53 | Blissex | chugga: also, the Debian based, non-Debian distros have their own channels, so chatting about them is on-topic on those channels. |
| 15:05.56 | d0t-bat | anyone know how the hell to setup DNS and DHCP to update each other? (ive got thru all the guides etc.. i can find, got it to sort of work, now it sais "not authorized") |
| 15:06.08 | petemc | kinniin: you are incorrect |
| 15:06.09 | Blissex | kinniin: there are '.deb' packages for dozens of window managers... |
| 15:06.11 | chugga | Blissex, hmm. |
| 15:06.12 | hedonick | kinniin: used to, when they were Caldera... then, as I see it, they bought the unix business from old SCO basically to get their hands on their reseller network (about 1500 resellers... but they were mostly small shops)... and when they couldn't make that fly (using the resellers to leverage their Linux offerings) they started to look around for other ways to get money... lawsuit city next. |
| 15:06.20 | leonel | any more news about sarge release aside the old news on the topic ? |
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| 15:06.36 | petemc | leonel: when there is news, the topic will be updated |
| 15:06.41 | nvz | leonel: nope, bugs.debian.org/release_critical |
| 15:06.51 | Blissex | d0t-bat: it is s complex topic, there are a few scripts that help. |
| 15:06.52 | valdyn | chugga: formulating correctly for a certain purpose is hard: Debian feels very similar to ubuntu. Supporting ubuntu via irc is _still_ barely possible for someone only knowing debian |
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| 15:07.28 | leonel | thanks petemc , nvz |
| 15:07.30 | xam | Blissex: scripts for ddns? |
| 15:07.32 | kinniin | hedonick, Yeah, I don't think they are upto to anything but a court claim payment, they are not worried about their own software rights |
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| 15:07.37 | Blissex | d0t-bat: you really need to get up to speed on DNSsec, which is not a trivial subject. |
| 15:07.39 | petemc | d0t-bat: ive a perl script that sets up dns and dhcp, its specific to the needs of my users tho |
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| 15:07.46 | nvz | leonel: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 15:08.00 | kinniin | blissex & petemc, can you name some please? |
| 15:08.19 | petemc | kinniin: apt-cache search window manager |
| 15:08.31 | Blissex | kinniin: I like FVWM2, some people like ICEWM, some others Enlightenment, some like Sawfish |
| 15:08.32 | d0t-bat | Blissex/petemc: ive gone and configured everything as much as i could understand, keys etc are apparently ok, no error messages in that regard, only when i try to update the ptr records it says "not authorized" |
| 15:08.35 | kinniin | petemc, cool, didn't think of that for some reason |
| 15:08.41 | leonel | nvz: I thought that was when security was for sarge |
| 15:08.43 | barra | When I run adduser I got the following error message: "passwd: Module is unknown" I think there is a PAM configuration error but what ? |
| 15:08.52 | kinniin | Blissex, thx |
| 15:08.52 | leonel | nvz: not only de same 100 bugs |
| 15:08.53 | Blissex | kinniin: there are packages for all of these... |
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| 15:09.09 | tzafrir | if you need dns+dhcp for a small network, use dnsmasq. |
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| 15:09.19 | Blissex | kinniin: there is even a site devoted to a list and comparison of X window managers, and practically all WMs listed there have a Debian package. |
| 15:09.27 | tzafrir | (with ethers file and hosts file) |
| 15:09.39 | nvz | !confuse leonel |
| 15:09.40 | dpkg | No, where are their hamster tomorrow, leonel? wellies of the democracy of mongolia with extra herring |
| 15:09.50 | d0t-bat | tzafrir: not a small network :P |
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| 15:09.55 | petemc | d0t-bat: http://yerma.org/~pete/temp/adddhcp.pl.txt |
| 15:10.00 | kinniin | Blissex, what site is that? |
| 15:10.04 | hedonick | kinniin: question is wether SCOx has any "own" software rights... that's still not clarified (for example, they pay Novell part of their licensing money). And Sys V has a very checkered past, hard to say who actually owns what... seems to be mostly a case of sublicensing left and right without any ownership changing hands. |
| 15:10.08 | jsbiff | Hello, I have a question about keeping my linux boxes updated. Normally, I go through maybe once a month or so and do an 'apt-get update; apt-get -u dist-upgrade' |
| 15:10.20 | jsbiff | is this over-kill? |
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| 15:10.36 | jsbiff | It usually requires me to download about 100M of updated files, which takes awhile |
| 15:10.40 | leonel | nvz: I'm already confused and a little desperado for sarge , Ubuntu is making it's work on my |
| 15:10.40 | chugga | why the -u? |
| 15:10.45 | valdyn | jsbiff: running sarge? |
| 15:10.46 | greycat | chugga: so he can see what it'll do |
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| 15:10.52 | jsbiff | running testing |
| 15:10.54 | chugga | grey, ok |
| 15:11.02 | jsbiff | chugga - the -u is so I see what is being upgraded |
| 15:11.04 | d0t-bat | petemc: thanks for the script, but this all should be working, just keeps reporting its not authorized |
| 15:11.16 | valdyn | jsbiff: thats the same software atm. Your method is fine |
| 15:11.34 | tzafrir | jsbiff, apt-get install cron-apt; for starters |
| 15:11.36 | kinniin | hedonick, they say that even IBM doesn't care about the software they are releasing because they are regularily releasing software licenses to stop paying for patent licenses. SO basically they giving away their garbage in a way to create good pr |
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| 15:12.11 | jsbiff | tzafrir - cron-based solutions don't work well for me, as this is a duel-boot box, and so isn't running Linux all the time |
| 15:12.54 | tzafrir | apt-get install anacron |
| 15:12.58 | tzafrir | :-p |
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| 15:13.06 | kinniin | IBM isn't releasing their newest code obviously anyway |
| 15:13.18 | jsbiff | Is there any sort of differential-update system for debian? The thing I'm looking at is, when I download new versions of packages, in most cases they are probably 95 percent identical to the old package - it would be nice not to download an entire package every time there is a small update. . . |
| 15:13.19 | Coke | Can BASH 3 and higher do mailcheck for Maildir paths too (in the $MAIL variable)? |
| 15:13.26 | valdyn | jsbiff: whats the problem anyway? just do the download overnight or before you go shopping or whatever. |
| 15:13.27 | kinniin | that code they will spend lots to maintain patents |
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| 15:13.44 | tzafrir | jsbiff, there is: apt |
| 15:13.47 | PerfDave | jsbiff: I run "apt-get update; apt-get --download-only dist-upgrade" in a cronjob @reboot, then do the actual installation manually. |
| 15:13.58 | greycat | jsbiff: no, there isn't. |
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| 15:14.00 | tzafrir | you don't download a full archive every day |
| 15:14.01 | gilles | how to read files such like "README.Debian.gz" ? |
| 15:14.04 | valdyn | kinniin: what are you talking about here? |
| 15:14.05 | greycat | gilles: zless |
| 15:14.24 | jsbiff | greycat: ok, I didn't think there was, but thought I'd ask anyhow, just in case lol |
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| 15:14.42 | orjan | I installed fluidsynth, not much in the docs. Is there any sondfontpackage or if I dl soundfonts any standard location to put them? |
| 15:14.43 | gilles | greycat: thanks |
| 15:14.52 | kinniin | valdyn, sco lawsuit |
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| 15:15.21 | d0t-bat | Anyone? |
| 15:15.25 | jsbiff | I guess differential updates for individual packages would require either way too much work for the devs to manually create for updating from one version to another, or else too much server-cpu to auto-generate on-demand |
| 15:15.37 | valdyn | orjan: just find soundfonts on the net |
| 15:15.37 | greycat | Coke: woody's does it, for god's sake. |
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| 15:15.48 | greycat | Coke: and woody's isn't even 2.05b. It's just 2.05. |
| 15:16.23 | sanso | jsbiff, great idea: imagine "deb rsync://rsync.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" |
| 15:16.42 | orjan | valdyn: so each softsynth handles it's own soundfonts? |
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| 15:17.10 | valdyn | orjan: err? what do you mean? |
| 15:17.29 | Coke | greycat: hm, it doesn't tell me anything. should I set MAIL to the Maildir or to Maildir/new? |
| 15:17.38 | d0t-bat | out of 765 people, no one can offer any other advice besides use a script? |
| 15:18.10 | greycat | Coke: export MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/ |
| 15:18.37 | orjan | valdyn: there are several softsynths each using soundfonts, just woundered if there was a "debian way" of handling sounfonts |
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| 15:19.21 | valdyn | orjan: nope, there isnt ( though theres debian packages for timidity patches ) |
| 15:19.43 | orjan | valdyn: ok thanks |
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| 15:21.23 | tdonahue | hi all, anyone know of a good general security IRC channel? |
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| 15:22.47 | Coke | greycat: nothing, and the new/ has files in it. |
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| 15:23.07 | Coke | greycat: my MAIL variable holds the exact path for the Maildir/ |
| 15:23.22 | elirips | wow, it's just amazing to watch how the temperatur increases within 20 seconds from 48°C to 65°C when starting to compile ;) |
| 15:23.24 | Scalpel | I have an 80G partition. I created a ext3 filesystem. When I do df -h it says it is only 32 GB. What went wrong? |
| 15:23.52 | SlayerXP | Scalpel: has you updated core-utils recently? |
| 15:23.58 | SlayerXP | have you |
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| 15:25.33 | greycat | Coke: well, all I can tell you is that I run sid at home, and I have "export MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/", and it works for me. |
| 15:25.46 | greycat | Coke: just make DAMNED sure you didn't omit that trailing slash. |
| 15:26.37 | Scalpel | SlayerXP: dunno. just run unstable. |
| 15:26.51 | SlayerXP | Scalpel: well find out. |
| 15:27.01 | Scalpel | coreutils are 5.2.1-2 |
| 15:27.05 | Coke | greycat: I did not |
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| 15:27.20 | greycat | Coke: and you're running sid? sarge? what's 'dpkg -l bash | tail -1' say? |
| 15:27.22 | jsbiff | I noticed that at some point, maybe a couple months ago, a new package was loaded on my machine, during dist-upgrade, called HAL, that appears to be a system daemon - can someone explain what it is and does? |
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| 15:27.26 | barra | how could I remove a user from the system ? |
| 15:27.31 | greycat | barra: deluser |
| 15:27.34 | SlayerXP | barra: use a crowbar |
| 15:27.37 | barra | thanks |
| 15:27.42 | BACbKA | barra: deluser or userdel (slightly different interface) |
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| 15:27.54 | zakame | barra: deluser? |
| 15:28.02 | zakame | SlayerXP: or a pickaxe |
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| 15:28.18 | greycat | SlayerXP: too much risk to the system. try a dart-gun. |
| 15:28.26 | Scalpel | SlayerXP: but what would be wrong with the coreutils? |
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| 15:28.30 | sathya | Hello every body |
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| 15:28.46 | Coke | greycat: actualy, I'm at work and I'm running Lunar Linux, but it's BASH 3.00.0. is it debian specific? (yes, I know it sucks and if I had the choice I'd rather have Debian) |
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| 15:29.31 | njan | jethro, or get you arrested. One or the other :) |
| 15:29.43 | jethro | njan: busted for what? |
| 15:29.51 | Coke | greycat: and if you're wondering why the heck I'm in #debian asking, let me reply with this; if the <any non-Debian dist> people had any clue at all, wouldn't they be running Debian instead? |
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| 15:30.13 | chugga | greycat, did you used to run cokes distro? |
| 15:30.32 | Cyan_Aura | Hi ,is this a good place to ask video question using Xandros? |
| 15:30.45 | sathya | I've installed the drivers for my bewan adsl pci st modem with the unicorn source package , i think it's ok , but when i type the command 'pppd user my_login@my_isp' i get thes error: |
| 15:30.45 | jharrisonwk | Cyan_Aura: no |
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| 15:30.56 | njan | jethro, I don't know.. suffocating people in tape safes, pushing them off buildings, electrocuting them, defrauding your employer? |
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| 15:31.01 | BACbKA | having transitioned from 2.4 to 2.6 I have a problem with my CDROM, an ATAPI Liteon LTN486S, v.YUS8 . Under 2.4, I used the scsi emulation layer, as well as w/o it. Now in 2.6, no SCSI emul., I don't have the cdrom to respond as either hd[abcd]. Where to look? |
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| 15:31.13 | speakman_ | I've been running jigdo for fully two days now! And the .tmp-file vary from 3.1GB to 1.2GB back and forth... Is jigdo broken?? |
| 15:31.26 | jethro | njan: I know the limits :) |
| 15:31.27 | jharrisonwk | BACbKA: ide-cd |
| 15:31.36 | njan | jethro, :) |
| 15:31.37 | kinniin | what are coke distros? |
| 15:31.51 | sathya | pppd: /usr/lib/pppd/plugins/pppoatm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:31.53 | sathya | pppd: Couldn't load plugin /usr/lib/pppd/plugins/pppoatm.so |
| 15:31.55 | Cyan_Aura | OK, where is a good place? <wince> |
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| 15:32.03 | Phated | #xandros? |
| 15:32.21 | BACbKA | jharrisonwk: I have it loaded, sorry for not having said it before |
| 15:32.38 | Cyan_Aura | OK thanks ! Phated! |
| 15:32.41 | BACbKA | # lsmod | grep cd |
| 15:32.41 | BACbKA | ide_cd 42656 0 |
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| 15:32.45 | sathya | so i don't have the plugins directory in pppd/, i only have a 2.4.2 directory which contains the pppoatm.so |
| 15:32.58 | BACbKA | cdrom 40732 2 ide_cd,sr_mod |
| 15:33.00 | greycat | Coke: I'd suggest #bash for bash questions that aren't debian related. |
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| 15:33.33 | speakman_ | Anyone tried jigdo?? |
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| 15:33.38 | PeterPan | _ |
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| 15:34.07 | sathya | does somebody can help me ? |
| 15:34.19 | greycat | + * Upstream integrates the following Debian patches: |
| 15:34.19 | greycat | + - debian/patches/mailcheck.dpatch: check for mail in the maildir format. |
| 15:34.30 | greycat | hmm, that's for 2.05a-1 |
| 15:34.36 | jsbiff | sathya: I would suggest reinstalling the ppp package |
| 15:34.37 | Coke | greycat: I don't know. It seems #debian has the best knowledge base on the Internet |
| 15:34.48 | petemc | Coke: what about #lunar |
| 15:34.56 | jsbiff | that file that it's trying to load should be part of package ppp, at least on testing |
| 15:35.10 | jsbiff | oh wait a minute |
| 15:35.19 | jharrisonwk | speakman_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 15:35.35 | Coke | petemc: like I said, if they had any clue at all, wouldn't they use Debian to begin with? |
| 15:35.36 | jsbiff | sathya: it might be looking in the wrong place for the pppoatm.so file |
| 15:35.47 | jsbiff | On my system, pppoatm.so is located at |
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| 15:35.56 | sathya | jsbiff, that means i have to do 'apt-get remove --purge ppp' and 'apt-get install ppp' ? |
| 15:36.00 | petemc | Coke: they obviously have some clue, having built a distribution |
| 15:36.03 | Scalpel | I have an 73G partition. df -h sais it is 32 GB, but when I try resize2fs /dev/hda6 it is already 8387930 and qtparted sais it is 73G |
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| 15:36.17 | Coke | petemc: it's more difficult to reuse than to rewrite |
| 15:36.17 | jsbiff | sathya just a second, I'm checking something |
| 15:36.28 | chugga | Coke, ?? thats a horrible thing to say considering debian isnt the worlds best OS |
| 15:36.36 | Coke | petemc: in any case, it's a joke, even though i'm sort of semi-serious |
| 15:36.40 | Coke | chugga: which one is better? |
| 15:36.47 | sathya | ok |
| 15:36.50 | abrotman | it's a semi-serious joke! |
| 15:36.53 | chugga | Coke, i dont know. something must be, surely |
| 15:36.53 | Coke | chugga: from all the ones I've tried, it is the best multi-purpose OS |
| 15:36.53 | SlayerXP | Scalpel: once more, have you updated core-utils recently? |
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| 15:37.04 | jsbiff | sathya do you know which version of debian you are running? Stable? Testing? |
| 15:37.06 | kinniin | I can get my tool bar to move to the right or left side in fluxbox, or make the transparency working. |
| 15:37.11 | Coke | chugga: I'm not saying I have tried them all or even many, but from the ones I have it's the best. |
| 15:37.12 | kinniin | sorry I meant I can't |
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| 15:37.22 | abrotman | kinniin: #fluxbox ? |
| 15:37.22 | SlayerXP | kinniin: #fluxbox |
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| 15:37.39 | BACbKA | If I try SCSI emulation under 2.6, countrary to the cdrtools docs, am I doomed with my CDRW? |
| 15:37.39 | kinniin | yeah, window manager |
| 15:37.44 | Coke | abrotman: yes, like I mean it, but don't take it to seriously because I don't. |
| 15:37.52 | chugga | Coke, if lunar works properly i think its far superior to debian .. ofcourse it probably doesnt because it doesnt have enough maintainers/attention/history |
| 15:37.53 | sathya | jsbiff, testing |
| 15:37.56 | jsbiff | sathya: how do you connect to the internet? You may need to download the ppp package before you try to remove/re-install it, as you may not have internet connectivity once you purge it |
| 15:37.59 | abrotman | Coke: so it's a semi-serious joke :) |
| 15:38.00 | jsbiff | ok |
| 15:38.01 | directhex|work | BACbKA, you don't need scsi emulation on 2.6. |
| 15:38.09 | SlayerXP | kinniin: no, we mean #fluxbox as in the irc channel, where fluxbox is the topic of conversation |
| 15:38.10 | Scalpel | SlayerXP: like I said, I can't find out. Could be that it was updated with the package. |
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| 15:38.14 | jsbiff | sathya it *should* get installed with ppp |
| 15:38.17 | Coke | chugga: so your only criteria for being better than Debian is that it's "working" ? |
| 15:38.19 | jsbiff | do me a favor |
| 15:38.23 | BACbKA | directhex: that's what the mans say. However, I don't have the CDROM recognized at all in 2.6!!!! |
| 15:38.25 | Coke | abrotman: indeed :) |
| 15:38.25 | SlayerXP | Scalpel: why can't you find out? |
| 15:38.28 | jsbiff | sathya: run 'locate pppoatm.so' |
| 15:38.29 | kinniin | Ok, ok, lol, thx for forward address |
| 15:38.36 | jethro | !lol |
| 15:38.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 15:38.38 | directhex|work | BACbKA, worksforme (tm) |
| 15:38.48 | Scalpel | SlayerXP: I only know the current version of the package |
| 15:38.54 | BACbKA | directhex: :-( |
| 15:38.58 | chugga | Coke, yeah. i used the original sorceror distro for about two years .. its easily better than debian but pity it was always under heavy development to be stable enough for usge |
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| 15:39.16 | Coke | chugga: what makes it so much better then? |
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| 15:39.28 | SlayerXP | Scalpel: apt-get update && apt-get install coreutils |
| 15:39.31 | sathya | TINOUAF:~# locate pppoatm.so |
| 15:39.32 | sathya | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 15:39.51 | Scalpel | it's the newest verions. does nothing. |
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| 15:39.52 | Coke | sathya: what does that mean in english? |
| 15:39.52 | jethro | sathya: updatedb |
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| 15:39.58 | jethro | Coke: no such file or directory |
| 15:40.08 | SlayerXP | Scalpel: which kernel version? |
| 15:40.11 | chugga | Coke, many things - package support, maintainance - the ability to choose compile options, freshly installed it was quick because of minimal services. that sorta thing |
| 15:40.14 | FauxPasIII | I'm trying to use ubuntu's "hoary", while having sid stuff available in the event the named package isn't in hoary. But right now, it's going to sid any time a newer version is available |
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| 15:40.23 | Scalpel | SlayerXP: 2.6.9 |
| 15:40.33 | jethro | sathya: type updatedb as root, or find / -name pppoatm.so |
| 15:40.36 | space | I have many apps segfaulting in sid, what could be the problem? |
| 15:40.38 | FauxPasIII | I've pinned the sid sources to 200, which should work according to apt_preferences |
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| 15:40.45 | SlayerXP | space: anything. |
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| 15:40.52 | jethro | sathya: updatedb will create the locatedb your shell is complaining about |
| 15:40.52 | SlayerXP | Scalpel: not a clue then, sorry. |
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| 15:41.05 | FauxPasIII | I've pinned them to 0 now, but still getting lots of debian stuff in a dist-upgrade... |
| 15:41.06 | Scalpel | SlayerXP: dang, but thnx for the help :) |
| 15:41.31 | sathya | TINOUAF:~# find / -name pppoatm.so |
| 15:41.32 | sathya | /usr/lib/pppd/2.4.2/pppoatm.so |
| 15:41.33 | FauxPasIII | I'm trying the pin like this, which isn't working: "Pin: release l=Debian" |
| 15:41.37 | jethro | sathya: don't paste |
| 15:41.38 | Coke | chugga: debian testing netinstall takes about 8 minutes to install and you it's up to you what packages to install. last base install I did was woody which was about 40Mb with build stuff included |
| 15:41.41 | jethro | !tell sathya about paste |
| 15:41.58 | jsbiff | sathya hmmm, odd - the file is there |
| 15:42.05 | jsbiff | sathya I'm not sure why it can't load it |
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| 15:42.24 | Coke | chugga: the package support is excellent in Debian as well as the maintenance. I have NO complaints at all. bug tracker is easy to use, responses are mostly swift. |
| 15:42.26 | Scalpel | is the perhaps some bloody kernel option which needs to be set for partitions to be over 32G? |
| 15:42.34 | BACbKA | news from the field: my /proc/devices have devfs in there, yet I don't have devfs mounted -- oculd this be the culprit? I never asked for devfs, and use the std 2.6.8-2-686 testing package |
| 15:42.58 | Coke | chugga: there's a reason why Debian has outgrown allmost all other non-commercial distributions. |
| 15:43.01 | chugga | Coke, and yes that is true because of the large debian community |
| 15:43.02 | jsbiff | sathya: run ldconfig as root, then try using ppp again |
| 15:43.06 | FieldySnuts | @troll chugga |
| 15:43.13 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
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| 15:43.16 | resiak | chugga: Is there not a reason for that community, do you think? |
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| 15:43.34 | Coke | chugga: yes, and a small community can result in poor package quality and support. |
| 15:43.40 | space | such apps as XMMS and SIM segfault, and atp-listbugs on them returns nothing |
| 15:43.40 | Coke | chugga: ergo, debian is better. ;) |
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| 15:44.11 | chugga | resiak, sure, debian has apt-get .. and thats a beautiful thing .. plus its got years behind it - the distro coke is talking about is hardly 3-4 years old |
| 15:44.14 | Coke | chugga: either way, I don't care. Debian is totally for me and I think of Debian when I masturbate. That's all there's to it, hehe. :) |
| 15:44.16 | strubbel | the expect manpage really sucks...i've been reading it for the last six hours! |
| 15:44.26 | chugga | Coke, for such a small community they do a remarkable job, dont you think? |
| 15:44.35 | abrotman | years == 10 or so |
| 15:44.41 | abrotman | err 13 i guess now maybe ? |
| 15:44.48 | greycat | strubbel: submit a patch to the BTS.... oh wait. |
| 15:44.50 | jethro | Coke: " I think of Debian when I masturbate. " << get a life man :) |
| 15:44.54 | Coke | chugga: indeed. and the same can be said for Lunar. however, the small community IS a practical drawback. |
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| 15:44.55 | strubbel | !weed abrotman |
| 15:45.00 | abrotman | again? |
| 15:45.02 | abrotman | hrm .. ok |
| 15:45.03 | strubbel | oooh |
| 15:45.08 | abrotman | but i hope my boss doesn't mind :) |
| 15:45.17 | jsbiff | sathya: did running ldconfig fix it? |
| 15:45.19 | beth | jethro: is there something wrong with getting turned on by quality software distributions? |
| 15:45.22 | sathya | jsbiff, ldconfig do'esn't change anything |
| 15:45.29 | paulswm | !win beth |
| 15:45.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, beth! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 15:45.33 | jsbiff | . . . |
| 15:45.38 | jethro | beth: masturbating while thinking about computers is sick |
| 15:45.48 | jethro | beth: to me at least |
| 15:45.54 | Coke | jethro: not computers, interfacing with them |
| 15:45.58 | paulswm | the bots porlly do it |
| 15:45.59 | jethro | Coke: same |
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| 15:46.03 | paulswm | s/por/pro/ |
| 15:46.03 | chugga | Coke, the sad thing is a lot of good ppl settle for their half imperfect distros instead of not looking to make things better - especially with opportunities provided with the newer more ambitious distros |
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| 15:46.31 | chugga | like lunar, for example. |
| 15:46.32 | abrotman | lunar sucks |
| 15:46.32 | jethro | !start a distro war |
| 15:46.32 | dpkg | Gentoo rocks! |
| 15:46.32 | greycat | jethro: maybe he's thinking of some of the DDs, not the computers. |
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| 15:46.33 | Coke | jethro: when I'm kinky I throw in some Python programming. when I'm feeling masochistic I do Perl or Java. |
| 15:46.35 | jsbiff | sathya: I'm sorry, I don't know what the problem is. The file is there, it should load. =( |
| 15:46.37 | Analyser | Hi, Someone knoe how can i make a ip forward with ipchains, using a interface address and not a ip address? |
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| 15:46.52 | jethro | jesus f***ing christ |
| 15:46.52 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 15:46.55 | laxdragon | hey, doin a dist-upgrade on unstable today, and apt is trying to install caudium, wtf? I don't want caudium, worst of all it wants to remove php-tclink which I must have. |
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| 15:47.14 | jethro | laxdragon: read debian-devel |
| 15:47.20 | jsbiff | Analyser use -i ifname I think |
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| 15:47.33 | Coke | chugga: indeed. I've run Slackware, Red Hat and Mandrake (in that order). I've also tried SuSE and the latest Fedora. And now Lunar. So far those have not even come close to the quality I find in Debian. I guess it's just a preference. |
| 15:47.34 | kinniin | Whats older GNU or MS? |
| 15:47.42 | Coke | kinniin: MS |
| 15:47.59 | BACbKA | # cat /proc/ide/drivers |
| 15:48.00 | BACbKA | ide-cdrom version 4.61 |
| 15:48.12 | BACbKA | ide-scsi version 0.92 |
| 15:48.20 | chugga | Coke, sure, fair enough. what was wrong with slack btw? |
| 15:48.20 | Coke | kinniin: BSD is even older |
| 15:48.54 | paulswm | Coke: and ATT Unix older still :) |
| 15:48.56 | kinniin | When was first thing that was given away free like open source and GNU or whatever, like commadore magazines |
| 15:49.29 | paulswm | kinniin: google |
| 15:49.33 | laxdragon | jethro: oic. Typical answer. I hate it when decisions like this are made on package dependencies. |
| 15:49.38 | abrotman | oic? |
| 15:49.42 | abrotman | what the fuck was that? |
| 15:49.49 | jethro | abrotman: Oh I see! |
| 15:49.49 | Myren | is there any way using bash or zsh to turn a character into a number? |
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| 15:49.51 | kinniin | lol |
| 15:49.57 | jethro | abrotman: that's my wild guess |
| 15:49.59 | Coke | chugga: I'm lazy. Debian maintainers do EVERYTHING for me, all I gotta do is apt-get magic and debconf will take care of the rest. Slackware has too much manual labour. The same goes for Mdk. Even though RH and SuSE has pretty nifty config tools, the package quality is lesser and because of RPM usage they have many disadvantages when it comes to multiple version handling, dependencies, etc. |
| 15:50.03 | Myren | echo $(( 'm' - 'a' )) |
| 15:50.05 | Myren | or something |
| 15:50.11 | abrotman | Myren: #bash |
| 15:50.28 | jethro | laxdragon: you should not even dist-upgrade without reading debian-devel first, just in case such things happen |
| 15:50.37 | jethro | laxdragon: that's what it is to follow sid |
| 15:50.39 | BACbKA | is it a problem that ide-scsi is preloaded (even that I don't remap any drives via it)? |
| 15:51.11 | chugga | Coke, well im too lazy for Debian. I wonder what there is for me? :P |
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| 15:51.20 | jethro | laxdragon: why did you dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:51.43 | laxdragon | jethro: I always dist-upgrade on my testing box. |
| 15:51.50 | jethro | laxdragon: in a blind manner? |
| 15:51.53 | jethro | !lose laxdragon |
| 15:51.54 | dpkg | laxdragon: You Lose. |
| 15:51.54 | abrotman | chugga: windows |
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| 15:51.57 | BACbKA | I'll try to reboot w/o ide-scsi in my /etc/modules, let's see if it helps |
| 15:52.02 | dabreegster | I installed a new soundcard in a PCI slot. I couldn't quite get a module for it, but the problem now is the onboard soundcard isn't working and I'm bored to death of silence. I don't get any errors or anything and software-wise, nothing has really changed (I used the sb and sb_lib modules at /etc/modules to get OSS going) |
| 15:52.17 | datadinkusmc001 | where can i get the 2.6.8 source? |
| 15:52.18 | laxdragon | jethro: nice dude. |
| 15:52.21 | chugga | abrotman, thats a lie. windows is much harder to maintain - and a lot of the times the only way to "fix" it is to do a clean re-install |
| 15:52.31 | stew | datadinkusmc001: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 15:52.42 | abrotman | chugga: depends who you ask .. if it were really that difficult .. would it be the leading desktop OS for idiots? |
| 15:52.57 | Coke | Is it permissible to run sticky bit binaries through symlniks? I have my exim with root/root and sticky bit for user, yet when called via the sendmail symlink I get permission problems. |
| 15:53.10 | jethro | laxdragon: you can't follow some unstable distribution and dist-upgrade it without getting to know the potential problems, and then yell |
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| 15:53.20 | chugga | abrotman, there are enough geeks to go around ... ppl just get their geeky friend/relative to "fix" windows .. *sigh* |
| 15:53.21 | jethro | laxdragon: that makes no sense to me |
| 15:53.23 | abrotman | paulswm: that's cause i never tell a lie .. except that time .. with the monkey and the weasel! |
| 15:53.29 | greycat | Coke: the sticky bit is totally ignored on executables in Linux. |
| 15:53.37 | paulswm | abrotman: and the CD burner trade |
| 15:54.04 | laxdragon | jethro: just wanted to yell before this change gets any further. I don't want to be forced to use something. I know all about the ramifactions of using sid. Don't lecture me on that. |
| 15:54.04 | abrotman | chugga: it's bullshit and you know it .. MS makes it rediculously easy to do simple shit .. and to fuck your OS beyond repair .. but oh well .. stupid people use stupid shit |
| 15:54.24 | paulswm | abrotman: you're just feeding the troll |
| 15:54.28 | jethro | laxdragon: then file a bug to the maintainer, as for the ramifications you sound like you have no clue, hence why my lecture |
| 15:54.34 | abrotman | paulswm: i know .. i'm avoiding PHP :) |
| 15:54.41 | paulswm | Heh |
| 15:54.43 | jethro | laxdragon: sorry if I m wrong |
| 15:54.45 | chugga | abrotman, sometimes it just fucks up on its own. and there isnt much you do beyond the usual voodoo magic stuff of clicking and rebooting and some |
| 15:54.47 | uince | hi |
| 15:54.57 | abrotman | chugga: nothing ever and i mean *ever* fucks up on it's own |
| 15:55.00 | caphuso | Coke: and even if it wasn't ignored, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense anyway. so, instead of asking how to fix your solution, tell us about the problem you want to solve |
| 15:55.05 | jethro | laxdragon: all in all, #debian is not the right place to complain about broken packages in sid |
| 15:55.28 | chugga | abrotman, you are pretty naive. do you make backups? |
| 15:55.31 | uince | does some one knows another program like LyX?? i want to try some |
| 15:55.31 | abrotman | chugga: shit just doesn't go from wokring to broken .. you can blame faulty code .. but it's not just black magic making windows work |
| 15:55.39 | laxdragon | jethro: just a knee jerk reaction from me. A liitle type-a for the day. |
| 15:55.43 | abrotman | chugga: you're just trolling me .. but i don't really give a shit .. |
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| 15:55.55 | chugga | abrotman, do you even USE windows? |
| 15:55.55 | space | someone help me figure out why my apps segfault |
| 15:56.00 | Gathond | abrotman: but sometimes it might as well be in windows :) |
| 15:56.07 | sansaway | jethro, is there a right place to complain when one's using sid? |
| 15:56.20 | stew | sansaway: bts |
| 15:56.20 | caphuso | sansaway: no |
| 15:56.20 | abrotman | chugga: i sure do .. at this moment as a matter of fact .. (stupid win32 apps) .. and i still know more than you :) |
| 15:56.21 | jethro | sansaway: package maintainers? debian-devel@ ? |
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| 15:56.24 | netsurfer | uh /dev/null ? ;) |
| 15:56.28 | dabreegster | uince: links, links2, w3m... I'd recommend elinks |
| 15:56.45 | fedde | getty is in trouble since i upgraded to 2.6.8 on sarge. does anyone have an idea why getty wont 'bind' to the terminal, or how i could get more debug info from getty? |
| 15:56.45 | jethro | sanso: it actually depends on what you call complain |
| 15:56.52 | chugga | abrotman, well maybe you are just lucky .. |
| 15:57.00 | abrotman | chugga: or smarter than you perhaps? |
| 15:57.07 | chugga | abrotman, i doubt that very much |
| 15:57.08 | sanso | jethro, reporting bugs isn't complaining, is it. |
| 15:57.11 | jethro | sanso: yells should go to /dev/null, as for constructive comments can be sent to maintainers, or the list, if any |
| 15:57.13 | abrotman | chugga: ask paulswm :) |
| 15:57.17 | chugga | anyone who thnks they are smart because they can run an OS needs help |
| 15:57.28 | petemc | you should compare penises |
| 15:57.29 | abrotman | chugga: no .. that's not why at all .. |
| 15:57.34 | abrotman | petemc: you wanna join in? |
| 15:57.34 | jethro | sanso: can be, depends on what you define complain with :) |
| 15:57.39 | petemc | abrotman: no thanks :) |
| 15:57.51 | abrotman | petemc: scared of a little competition are we? |
| 15:58.05 | uince | dabreegster: sorry but i mean LyX (it is a latex front end editor) |
| 15:58.30 | dabreegster | uince: oh, sorry. thought ya said lynx |
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| 15:59.38 | abrotman | !awkward silence |
| 15:59.52 | abrotman | dpkg: why don't you know anything? |
| 15:59.53 | dpkg | no idea, abrotman |
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| 15:59.59 | jharrisonwk | speakman_: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 16:00.05 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: howdy |
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| 16:00.11 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you're here!! |
| 16:00.17 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes |
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| 16:00.21 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: where else would I be? |
| 16:00.24 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: will you tell chugga i'm the dumbest person you know on IRC? |
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| 16:00.31 | fedde | does anyone have an idea what could be causing my getty problems? |
| 16:00.50 | jharrisonwk | chugga: abrotman is the dumbest person I know on ALL irc networks |
| 16:01.00 | chugga | oh dear :-/ |
| 16:01.13 | jharrisonwk | chugga: he is a very very stupid person and no one in the right mind should listen to anything he has to say |
| 16:01.15 | speakman_ | jharrisonwk: thnks :) |
| 16:01.23 | jharrisonwk | s/the/their |
| 16:01.26 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you're the man! :) |
| 16:01.45 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I always try to give 110% |
| 16:01.47 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 16:01.52 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i owe you a beer :) |
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| 16:02.04 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: make it a stiff brandy and we are even |
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| 16:02.12 | abrotman | or a bottle of your wife's local drink .. black label whiskey? |
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| 16:02.32 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: brandy is prefered but there is nothing wrong with JD either |
| 16:02.36 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:02.37 | paulswm | abrotman: was afk, ask me about what? |
| 16:02.42 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: maybe you should go back to green label |
| 16:02.51 | abrotman | paulswm: nothing .. chugga was being a pain |
| 16:02.51 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: why? |
| 16:02.53 | BACbKA | more clues with being unable to recognize my IDE ATAPI CD in 2.6: when I try eject /dev/hdc (which is where the CD actually is), I get in the dmesg the following: ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free./ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe/ and then the same for ide1. /proc/ioports gives 01f0-01f7 : libata |
| 16:03.02 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: ever had green label JD ? |
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| 16:03.06 | BACbKA | what do I do now? |
| 16:03.09 | Coke | I'm trying to execute sendmail, but I'm not allowed to write to the log files. That's what I thought I needed the SUID for. How can I solve it without having to make the log files world readable? |
| 16:03.10 | abrotman | paulswm: sorry to interrupt |
| 16:03.13 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: im sick as a dog so im trying to kill the little bastards with as much alcohol as possible |
| 16:03.15 | stew | when i was in the bangkok airport they were giving out free samples of green label, never seen whisky samples being given out before |
| 16:03.17 | Coke | (I'm using exim4) |
| 16:03.31 | abrotman | stew: you're back! |
| 16:03.38 | stew | oh JD green label, i was thinking of JW green |
| 16:03.44 | stew | abrotman: didn't we go over this last night? :) |
| 16:03.53 | jethro | Coke: change the group ownership on the log files? |
| 16:03.58 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. but i'm really that excited about it :) |
| 16:04.17 | Coke | jethro: I'd rather the users couldn't read/write to it. |
| 16:04.44 | jethro | Coke: with which user are you trying to write into the logs then? |
| 16:04.46 | jethro | Coke: root? |
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| 16:05.08 | Coke | jethro: the user that is executing sendmail from mutt |
| 16:05.13 | Coke | jethro: i.e any system user. |
| 16:05.27 | BACbKA | how do I give the ports libata owns back to ide-cd? or what do I do instead to have the IDE ATAPI CDROM (hdc in 2.4) recognized properly in 2.6? |
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| 16:05.38 | greycat | Coke: running /usr/sbin/sendmail should not have anything to do with writing to log files. |
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| 16:06.07 | greycat | /usr/sbin/sendmail should be a symlink to whatever program your MTA provides that emulates the sendmail interface for reading mail on stdin and queueing it up for processing. |
| 16:06.12 | jethro | Coke: I use mutt, with a MTA on my laptop, and the mta writes into the logs, no matter who sent the email |
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| 16:06.23 | Coke | greycat: it wants to write logfiles. |
| 16:06.32 | greycat | Coke: ask #exim. |
| 16:06.43 | Coke | jethro: because you run a local MTA daemon. I don't. |
| 16:06.43 | kingk | how can I set my scoll buttom as a three buttom mouse, it use to work like that in woody I believe,now it doesn't in 2.4? |
| 16:06.44 | caphuso | Coke: how exactly are you invoking sendmail from mutt? |
| 16:06.59 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: http://www.jackdaniels.com/home.asp |
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| 16:07.28 | Coke | caphuso: /usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -oi |
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| 16:07.50 | Coke | greycat: I know it is writing the logfiles. I could ask it to use syslog facilities instead. |
| 16:07.59 | BACbKA | if anybody here has an IDE ATAPI CDROM working in 2.6, do you access it as /dev/hd[abcd] or as smth else? |
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| 16:08.27 | jethro | Coke: why don't you? what are the pros and cons of not running a local MTA? |
| 16:08.53 | jethro | Coke: I m just being curious, not trying to make you change your setup |
| 16:09.01 | sanso | BACbKA, /dev/hd[a-z] works fine for me. |
| 16:09.07 | Coke | jethro: I have NO local recipients, all I need it for is forwarding my outgoing mail to the smarthost. |
| 16:09.17 | jethro | Coke: same here |
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| 16:09.29 | Coke | jethro: my maildir is an AFS mount so I don't need a local MTA for delivery either |
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| 16:09.47 | Coke | jethro: at home I have the smarthost with local delivery too because I have a fetchmail/exim setup |
| 16:09.53 | jethro | well I don't use the MTA for delivery |
| 16:09.58 | Coke | jethro: but here, at work, this is done somewhere else. |
| 16:10.00 | jethro | ok |
| 16:10.11 | jethro | I didn't get it, but anyways, do at your will :) |
| 16:10.17 | caphuso | Coke: so you're basically trying to force exim into being ssmtp? |
| 16:10.26 | Coke | caphuso: ? |
| 16:10.31 | caphuso | Coke: ! |
| 16:10.34 | BACbKA | sanso: I am totally confused :((( |
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| 16:10.47 | darkskiez | Grrr I cant umount somthing, and lsof on the device or mountpoint shows nothing, what have I forgotton? |
| 16:10.51 | sanso | BACbKA, be more specific |
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| 16:11.15 | BACbKA | what was my /dev/hda on 2.4 is /dev/sda in 2.6 because it is handled by the sata-sil module there. Can this be the case that the IDE ATAPI CD-ROM is not handled? |
| 16:11.24 | BACbKA | sanso: more clues with being unable to recognize my IDE ATAPI CD in 2.6: when I try eject /dev/hdc (which is where the CD actually is), I get in the dmesg the following: ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free./ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe/ and then the same for ide1. /proc/ioports gives 01f0-01f7 : libata |
| 16:11.44 | BACbKA | s/case/cause/ |
| 16:11.57 | strubbel | when except was concepted for driving interactive applications, why does it randomly skip some of its quick output randomly? |
| 16:11.59 | takatumi | BACbKA: could this be related? http://kerneltrap.org/node/3971 |
| 16:12.27 | sanso | BACbKA, if You can find Your cd as /dev/sda, what's the problem? |
| 16:12.27 | Coke | gotta go |
| 16:12.55 | BACbKA | takatumi: this looks precisely like my problem |
| 16:13.04 | BACbKA | takatumi: thanks, I'll try to rebuild my initrd |
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| 16:13.22 | takatumi | BACbKA: np |
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| 16:13.25 | BACbKA | sanso: no, my CD is nowhere to be found :( /dev/sda is my 1st HD |
| 16:13.44 | sanso | BACbKA, oh. but I see You've been helped :-) |
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| 16:15.05 | virgomoon | This might be a weird question for around here, but here goes... Is copying an audio cd the same process as copying a data cd, i.e. make and iso to the hd, then burn the iso to the new cd |
| 16:15.08 | akiru | hitu, im a gentoo user usually but ive installed debian on another laptop. Id like to know how to compile a new kernel (i mean where to do it) like in gentoo im used to unpacking the kernel to /usr/src/linux then using make menuconfig etc.. How do i go about it in Debian? |
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| 16:15.22 | greycat | akiru: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 16:15.45 | brian | what is the difference between kernel-source-2.6.10 and kernel-tree-2.6.10? |
| 16:15.57 | jetscreamer | you might check for the symlink /media/cdrom0 and that /cdrom /media/cdrom and /cdrom0 all point at the right things |
| 16:15.58 | Floppy|Hansa | spricht auch einer deutsch? |
| 16:16.03 | caphuso | Floppy|Hansa: #debian.de |
| 16:16.06 | jetscreamer | then remove discover if true |
| 16:16.10 | Floppy|Hansa | thx |
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| 16:16.23 | jetscreamer | it's not #debian-de ? |
| 16:16.30 | caphuso | jetscreamer: /msg dpkg de |
| 16:16.45 | jetscreamer | was that a yes or a no |
| 16:16.49 | akiru | greycat, thanks.. one other question.. i seem to have a C compiler but when i try to compile it says it isnt defined in $PATH or something, any ideas? |
| 16:16.51 | jetscreamer | :p |
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| 16:17.35 | jgwong | Hi all, I've got an old laptop which cannot boot from CD |
| 16:18.01 | jgwong | is there a bootdisk allowing me to boot from CD? |
| 16:18.05 | BACbKA | jgwong: did you check if the manufacturer has a bios upgrade? |
| 16:18.07 | BACbKA | jgwong: yes |
| 16:18.21 | jgwong | BACbKA: Um, I'd rather not try that :S |
| 16:18.29 | jgwong | BACbKA: Where can I download that bootdisk? |
| 16:18.30 | cdc | cfuyli |
| 16:19.05 | jetscreamer | jgwong, you can use boot-floppies if you're trying to install |
| 16:19.19 | space | mmmm BIOS upgrades are so tasty |
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| 16:19.29 | BACbKA | jgwong: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 16:19.48 | jgwong | jetscreamer: Ah |
| 16:19.50 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:19.51 | BACbKA | jgwong: once it boots from the floppy and sees the CD in the drive, it'll continue pulling the stuff in |
| 16:19.52 | jgwong | BACbKA: Thanks |
| 16:19.53 | greycat | !b-e akiru |
| 16:19.53 | dpkg | akiru: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:20.00 | BACbKA | jgwong: I assume you install sarge or better |
| 16:20.11 | jgwong | BACbKA: great, thanks |
| 16:20.12 | akiru | greycat, cool so i can kill two birds with one stone :) |
| 16:20.20 | BACbKA | jgwong: no problem |
| 16:21.26 | BACbKA | jgwong: looks like my link is to woody not sarge |
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| 16:21.32 | BACbKA | jgwong: look at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/ instead |
| 16:21.41 | jgwong | Ok |
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| 16:22.23 | BACbKA | OK, folks, I am rebooting -- wish me luck :) |
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| 16:24.04 | ChrisW | hi, is there a way I can list the 20 biggest files on my server? |
| 16:24.20 | ChrisW | I'm trying to figure out if there are any logs Ishould be rotating that I'm currently not... |
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| 16:24.44 | jethro | man find |
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| 16:24.54 | ChrisW | wil ltry, thanks :-) |
| 16:24.55 | iceman | ls -RS / | head -20 |
| 16:24.57 | jethro | yw |
| 16:25.04 | drraid | i just 'apt-get update'd, and 'apt-get upgrade'd, its showing 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, and 240 not upgraded.. why will it not upgrade? |
| 16:25.05 | greycat | ChrisW: not trivial as stated. You can approximate it with stuff like: find / -size +10M -ls | sort -n | ... |
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| 16:25.29 | greycat | BAH! Stupid find, not having an 'M'. |
| 16:25.30 | ChrisW | what's wrong with "ls -RS / | head -20" ? |
| 16:25.40 | greycat | ChrisW: not trivial as stated. You can approximate it with stuff like: find / -size +10000k -ls | sort -n | ... |
| 16:25.46 | petemc | ChrisW: i can msg you a short perl script |
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| 16:26.42 | iceman | ChrisW: whats wrong with it is that -20 needs to be -21, and mabye ls -RS needs to be ls -laRS :) |
| 16:26.43 | petemc | drraid: try apt-get dist-upgrade , man apt-get |
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| 16:27.37 | drraid | thank you petemc |
| 16:27.52 | darsie | Hi! Which package do I have to dpkg-reconfigure to configure higher monitor resolutions? |
| 16:28.11 | ChrisW | iceman: well, "ls -aRS / | head -21" just gave me a list of folders :-S |
| 16:28.23 | dvs | darsie: xserver-xfree86 but it would be easier to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 16:28.42 | iceman | ChrisW: yea, I realised that the -R option probably will fuck it up |
| 16:28.42 | tdonahue | ChrisW: du -ab |sort -g |tail -21 |
| 16:28.45 | jethro | ChrisW: man find man xargs and man ls should be enough for you to find out |
| 16:28.58 | darsie | dvs: thx. Maybe, but I'll try dpkg-recorfigure first. |
| 16:29.10 | dvs | darsie: I assume you're talking about X |
| 16:29.15 | darsie | sure |
| 16:29.22 | abrotman | !drxx darsie |
| 16:29.23 | dpkg | darsie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 16:29.42 | greycat | or maybe he could start with the example I already gave |
| 16:29.45 | tdonahue | ChrisW: oops.... damn... that is printing folders too, not just files |
| 16:29.51 | PerfDave | ls -aRSe |
| 16:29.54 | greycat | heh |
| 16:29.55 | petemc | heh |
| 16:29.55 | ChrisW | tdonahue: interesting, but yeah, canI exclude folders? |
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| 16:30.10 | ChrisW | PerfDave: grinz, but does it work? |
| 16:30.14 | greycat | ChrisW: not trivial as stated. You can approximate it with stuff like: find / -size +10000k -ls | sort -rn | head -20 |
| 16:30.29 | PerfDave | :( ls: invalid option -- e |
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| 16:30.41 | jethro | !tell greycat about repeat |
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| 16:30.42 | jethro | ;) |
| 16:30.44 | jethro | jk |
| 16:30.50 | BACbKA | hooray |
| 16:30.53 | greycat | jethro: I modified it the third time. |
| 16:31.00 | jethro | oh my bad :) |
| 16:31.11 | greycat | actually I modified it each time. The second time was to replace 10M with 10000k. |
| 16:31.38 | greycat | but you're all throwing these random non-working "ls" solutions around when I'd already given 90% of the answer... |
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| 16:31.56 | ChrisW | *chuckles* |
| 16:31.58 | jethro | I didn't throw anything but manpages! |
| 16:31.59 | jethro | :) |
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| 16:32.05 | strubbel | btw, does perl have a case or getopt() function for building a user interface? |
| 16:32.16 | abrotman | #perl ? |
| 16:32.25 | jethro | strubbel: yes, go ask #perl for more detailed info |
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| 16:32.30 | strubbel | yeah |
| 16:32.32 | BACbKA | I was able to reboot and it is not bad for a start :) the ide-cd now got properly loaded, and recognized my CDROM as hdc and CDRW as hdd. However, the ide-scsi loaded after it, pulled in by the sata-sil, apparently, remapped them to scd0 and scd1, respectively. After that I have no way to work with them other than via the SCSI emulation. How to disable the remapping? |
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| 16:32.49 | pder | is sid out yet? |
| 16:32.49 | sanso | does 2.6.10-686-smp support this scsi controller: "LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 07)" ? |
| 16:32.53 | ChrisW | greycat: can I get the output in human-readable form? |
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| 16:33.02 | BACbKA | pder: sid will never be out |
| 16:33.09 | abrotman | sanso: are you having a problem with it? |
| 16:33.09 | jethro | pder: depends what you call out |
| 16:33.19 | BACbKA | pder: if you ask about sarge, read the topic ;) |
| 16:34.11 | pro | has anyone here written the LPI exams? |
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| 16:34.28 | sanso | abrotman, my kernel isn't loading any module for it. And I don't know which I need (if there is one) |
| 16:34.57 | sanso | abrotman, this is a brand new machine I'm trying to auto-install via fai. |
| 16:35.10 | abrotman | sanso: hrm .. not sure .. it could be built in |
| 16:35.34 | stew | built in seems unlikely |
| 16:35.36 | sanso | abrotman, kernel is 2.6.10 with .config from fai's 2.6.8 |
| 16:35.56 | stew | oh then who knows |
| 16:35.59 | abrotman | sanso: then look in the config .. it will tell you .. do you know the driver it needs? |
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| 16:36.14 | sanso | abrotman, nope - that's the problem |
| 16:36.23 | abrotman | sanso: did you check google? |
| 16:36.34 | sanso | not yet. |
| 16:36.37 | sanso | !lart sanso |
| 16:37.04 | chugga | who are these perverts using their text editor to go on irc :-| |
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| 16:37.25 | jethro | !fai |
| 16:37.26 | dpkg | it has been said that fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 16:37.30 | jethro | ooo |
| 16:37.33 | jethro | smart stuff |
| 16:37.37 | abrotman | yes indeed |
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| 16:38.46 | abrotman | totzilla: that's my chair! |
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| 16:39.29 | totzilla | beautiful day today isnt it |
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| 16:39.35 | abrotman | totzilla: at least you didn't sit on my lap |
| 16:39.51 | totzilla | lol |
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| 16:40.38 | totzilla | uh oh |
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| 16:41.05 | resiak | :( |
| 16:41.11 | ChrisW | greycat: ping? |
| 16:41.17 | totzilla | lol |
| 16:41.19 | resiak | /j #debian-kinky |
| 16:41.24 | grivell | or that :) |
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| 16:41.34 | ChrisW | "find / -size +1000k -ls | sort -rn | more" doesn't appear to be sorting :-S |
| 16:41.45 | ChrisW | well, put a different way |
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| 16:42.04 | ChrisW | the first column of each entry doesn't look like its the file size... |
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| 16:42.38 | directhex|work | grivell, that chan's empty. you cheated me! |
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| 16:42.54 | alumno | hola |
| 16:42.56 | BACbKA | there is the hdc=ide-scsi way to ask for remapping of an IDE device to a SCSI one via the scsi emulation layer. Is there a way to prevent the remapping to happen on an already loaded IDE device? |
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| 16:43.36 | jethro | ChrisW: man sort and sort on the right column |
| 16:43.52 | ChrisW | aha |
| 16:43.53 | ChrisW | cool |
| 16:43.54 | jethro | ChrisW: you know, man is a beautiful thing that helps learning by oneself |
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| 16:44.03 | ChrisW | currently mann'ing find |
| 16:44.11 | ChrisW | would be nice ot know what that first column is ;-) |
| 16:45.12 | BACbKA | options ide-scsi ignore=hdc |
| 16:45.17 | BACbKA | (answer to self) |
| 16:45.23 | BACbKA | lemme try that |
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| 16:46.57 | jethro | ChrisW: it's inode |
| 16:47.08 | ChrisW | aha |
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| 16:47.39 | jethro | ChrisW: "list current file in `ls -dils' format on standard output." |
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| 16:48.14 | jethro | ChrisW: " -i, --inode; print index number of each file" quoting man ls |
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| 16:48.53 | ChrisW | yeah, but if -d is in there, how come it's showing files too? |
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| 16:49.21 | space | can someone please help me figure out why my Debian apps segfault? |
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| 16:49.36 | ChrisW | can you be just a little more specific |
| 16:49.37 | Baby | all the apps? |
| 16:49.50 | space | ChrisW: I can send you core? |
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| 16:49.54 | space | some apps |
| 16:49.55 | jethro | ChrisW: it means if you ls -ld * you wont get content of directories under . but just their name |
| 16:49.58 | space | XMMS, SIM |
| 16:50.01 | ChrisW | your current question is akin to: can you cure all diseases in humans? |
| 16:50.12 | jethro | space: I ll take core files if you got them running files as root |
| 16:50.19 | ChrisW | and no, I don't care about your core, I'm just trying to help you ask better questions ;-) |
| 16:50.19 | jethro | space: I ll take core files if you got them running apps as root |
| 16:50.27 | bactis|afk | space: what is worng with xmms? |
| 16:50.28 | Baby | ChrisW and the answer is? :) |
| 16:50.39 | ChrisW | heh |
| 16:50.42 | space | jethro: I'll pass on that |
| 16:50.42 | ChrisW | yes, but not me ;-) |
| 16:50.45 | Baby | :P |
| 16:50.49 | jethro | ChrisW: ^^ |
| 16:50.53 | space | bactis|afk: it segfaults on start |
| 16:51.08 | jethro | space: strace it |
| 16:51.12 | jethro | better yet, gdb it |
| 16:51.13 | space | I have |
| 16:51.17 | jethro | so ? |
| 16:51.28 | space | http://rafb.net/paste/results/VyDRNK78.html |
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| 16:51.37 | space | all have same backtrace |
| 16:51.56 | BACbKA | rebooting, let's see if that 493 vim /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 16:51.56 | BACbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.56 | BACbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.59 | BACbKA | oops |
| 16:52.01 | Baby | are you using a pure debian system or mixed libraries from other repositories? |
| 16:52.05 | BACbKA | sorry, wrong paste buffer |
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| 16:52.27 | space | this is sid, only things I have compiled are kernel and NVIDIA drivers |
| 16:52.42 | jethro | space: can you paste the output of strace as well? |
| 16:52.53 | dendrite | Hmmm.. in starting nfs and friends, I see that rpc.statd opens *two* UDP ports, only one of which can be set with the -p option... What gives? |
| 16:53.10 | Baby | and is there any recognizable pattern in the apps that segfault? do they share some common shared library? |
| 16:53.53 | sanso | !awkward silence |
| 16:54.15 | space | jethro: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jhh5Q083.html |
| 16:54.31 | jethro | hmm xmms depends are screwed up |
| 16:54.36 | jethro | it wont install libmikmod |
| 16:54.46 | jethro | then it'll just yell about mikmod not being installed |
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| 16:55.19 | jetscreamer | tabtabtab |
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| 16:56.26 | jetscreamer | i ran xmms last night, it worked |
| 16:56.39 | jethro | it does, just ran it on the lappy |
| 16:56.41 | jethro | flawlessly |
| 16:57.00 | jethro | there's just this mikmod depend issue |
| 16:57.04 | jetscreamer | i accidentally started it somehow |
| 16:57.34 | jethro | weird |
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| 16:57.54 | jethro | should be using whatever sound lib is installed, and not default to mikmod |
| 16:58.25 | jetscreamer | maybe you need one of those 'addons' |
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| 16:58.31 | jethro | alsa output is available by default |
| 16:58.36 | jethro | I just switched to it |
| 16:58.37 | shastry | hi all |
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| 16:58.40 | jethro | trying to restart xmms |
| 16:58.45 | shastry | whats the package containing java ? |
| 16:58.48 | jetscreamer | iirc there is an xmms-alsa thing |
| 16:58.53 | jethro | oh |
| 16:58.54 | jethro | point :) |
| 16:59.10 | jethro | nope |
| 16:59.15 | shastry | anyone ? |
| 16:59.17 | dendrite | Hmmm.. in starting nfs and friends, I see that rpc.statd opens *two* UDP ports, only one of which can be set with the -p option -- the other is random -- Any ideas on how I can nail this down? |
| 16:59.19 | jethro | just xmms which recommends either libesd, libasound, or mikmod |
| 16:59.24 | shastry | what package has the sun java ? |
| 16:59.24 | abrotman | xmms can use the alsa stuff .. you need to tell xmms that |
| 16:59.31 | abrotman | !tell shastry about java |
| 16:59.48 | jethro | abrotman: of course it can, just that it defaults to oss, and needs libmikmod2 for reasons I don't know |
| 16:59.55 | shastry | abrotman, thnx |
| 16:59.58 | space | so can someone try and find the problem with my segfauling? |
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| 17:00.40 | jetscreamer | maybe i was thinking gstreamer ... i dunno.don't see one though |
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| 17:00.58 | jethro | mp3/ogg whatever |
| 17:01.05 | greycat | dendrite: stop trying to make NFS act like something written by competent people. |
| 17:01.13 | coachz | Is there a way to copy/paste a block of text in Nano without deleting it first? |
| 17:01.24 | greycat | dendrite: just accept that it uses completely random ports. |
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| 17:01.36 | jetscreamer | coachz, in an xterm you can, depending on the xterm |
| 17:01.42 | space | jethro: SIM segfaults for me too, not just XMMS |
| 17:01.42 | coachz | i'm at console |
| 17:01.56 | jetscreamer | yeah.... afaik, no, but i don't know... :/ |
| 17:02.00 | greycat | coachz: try using a more manly editor. |
| 17:02.00 | jethro | space: did you dist-upgrade lately? |
| 17:02.10 | dendrite | greycat: Heh heh. Yeah... I have it all nailed down except that *second* UDP... |
| 17:02.20 | coachz | greycat, what do you suggest |
| 17:02.23 | jethro | coachz: use nano in screen, and use screen to cut/paste :) |
| 17:02.24 | space | jethro: I do it regularly, and this problem has been there for a while |
| 17:02.39 | jetscreamer | nothing wrong with nano, could be more featureful though |
| 17:02.44 | coachz | jethro, excellent idea |
| 17:02.44 | jetscreamer | nano -w that is |
| 17:02.45 | greycat | once you learn how to use screen to cut and paste, you'll have learned vi, so you might as well just use vi to begin with. |
| 17:02.53 | jethro | coachz: ty :) |
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| 17:03.03 | dendrite | greycat: Perhaps I should be trying some other network file system? This needs to provide a mount to a somewhat old (redhat 7.3) host... |
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| 17:03.14 | greycat | old? *cough* |
| 17:03.21 | coachz | greycat, is VI manly enough? |
| 17:03.25 | greycat | coachz: yes. |
| 17:03.30 | jethro | coachz: vim is better |
| 17:03.32 | coachz | or is there something more manly? |
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| 17:03.33 | jethro | :p |
| 17:03.33 | jetscreamer | no, use edlin |
| 17:03.40 | greycat | jetscreamer: wrong os. you mean ed(1). |
| 17:03.40 | jetscreamer | edlin is for real men |
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| 17:03.44 | coachz | i really wanna be the most manly |
| 17:03.53 | caphuso | then use ed |
| 17:03.55 | dendrite | coachz: Then use dd to edit text files... |
| 17:04.02 | coachz | i have vim 6.3.13 |
| 17:04.03 | tam | hi guys, i've got a symlinked dir in my home dir and i'm trying to connect to it from a windows box but when i try to change directory into the symlinked dir it won't allow me, is there anyway i can fix/change this? the perms are world readable and i own all the files |
| 17:04.05 | ricky_clarkson | Real men use fists. |
| 17:04.07 | ricky_clarkson | Not words. |
| 17:04.13 | jetscreamer | real men only hexedit the hd |
| 17:04.16 | jethro | heh |
| 17:04.22 | jethro | wankers |
| 17:04.28 | coachz | hehe |
| 17:04.31 | mornfall | coachz: vim is for n00bs |
| 17:04.36 | mornfall | jethro: with a magnetic pin ;-) |
| 17:04.41 | coachz | mornfall, what do real men use? |
| 17:04.45 | mornfall | err, jetscreamer even |
| 17:04.53 | jetscreamer | tabtabtab |
| 17:04.58 | mornfall | coachz: magnetic pin |
| 17:04.58 | oselite | morfall: LOL!! |
| 17:05.03 | jethro | another one bites the tab dust |
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| 17:05.08 | oselite | mornfall: you're a joke man |
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| 17:05.12 | coachz | odd name for an editor |
| 17:05.15 | oselite | don't come in a debian room saying trash like "noob" |
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| 17:05.24 | oselite | you immediately proved yourself immature and stupid |
| 17:05.26 | oselite | straight up |
| 17:05.28 | jetscreamer | trash? |
| 17:05.30 | jethro | oselite: he said n00b which makes it far superior |
| 17:05.34 | oselite | LOL |
| 17:05.38 | oselite | yeah jethro, haha |
| 17:05.40 | jethro | :) |
| 17:05.48 | mornfall | oselite: you don't get a joke when they hit you with it, do you? |
| 17:05.54 | jethro | coachz: go for vim, really |
| 17:05.59 | jetscreamer | !irritate oselite |
| 17:05.59 | dpkg | oselite: Y iz debain so old? who uses cable !!!1 |
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| 17:06.08 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 17:06.08 | drac | I accidentally loaded ip6_tunnel module, with ipv6 module, and I'm going to restart my machine now to get rid of ip6_tunnel module. But where is it defined, that it loads at bootup? |
| 17:06.10 | jethro | coachz: as greycat said, cut/paste in screen is very close to cut/paste in vim, so just use vim :) |
| 17:06.19 | drac | Can I somehow blacklist ip6_tunnel module? |
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| 17:06.23 | coachz | only if greycat says so |
| 17:06.30 | jetscreamer | drac, /etc/modules |
| 17:06.31 | oselite | mornfall: sorry about that man, if you were joking that way |
| 17:06.37 | oselite | I just came back to my desk |
| 17:06.40 | darkskiez | drac, rm /lib/___/ip6_tunnel.ko |
| 17:06.41 | jethro | 18:02:46 greycat | once you learn how to use screen to cut and paste, you'll have learned vi, so you might as well just usevi to begin with. |
| 17:06.42 | oselite | and saw that, :( |
| 17:06.48 | mornfall | oselite: heh, no worry |
| 17:06.51 | jethro | coachz: ^^ |
| 17:06.53 | mornfall | oselite: it takes more to offend me |
| 17:06.56 | drac | hmm, nothing on /etc/modules |
| 17:07.00 | oselite | mornfall: lol yeah |
| 17:07.02 | drac | darkskiez: pretty radical? |
| 17:07.05 | tam | darkskiez: yo |
| 17:07.18 | jetscreamer | you mean in, not on i hope |
| 17:07.29 | drac | yep |
| 17:07.30 | drac | :) |
| 17:07.47 | darkskiez | drac, "alias ip6_tunnel none" or is it "off" in modules.conf i think has a similar effect, but not as strict as rm. |
| 17:07.54 | darkskiez | tam, sup :P |
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| 17:08.08 | tam | darkskiez: nm but a small windows problem |
| 17:08.27 | jethro | windows problem == oxymoron |
| 17:08.29 | tam | i can't change dir into my symlinked dirs when i'm on windows... |
| 17:08.42 | tam | jethro: erm, i've only been using windows for 2 weeks |
| 17:08.46 | tam | i know fsck all ;) |
| 17:08.53 | darkskiez | tam: there a follow symlinks otpion in samba |
| 17:08.57 | dvs | jethro: No, that's redundant |
| 17:09.05 | tam | darkskiez: no time to setup samba at the moment |
| 17:09.08 | jethro | dvs: my bad, I picked the wrong word (not native english here) |
| 17:09.09 | tam | need to get ipod updated :P |
| 17:09.16 | jetscreamer | there is such a thing as allowing follow symlinks, but i dunno about with samba or whatever |
| 17:09.20 | drac | darkskiez: ok, thanks. |
| 17:09.21 | jethro | dvs: sorry it was the opposite of what i meant :) |
| 17:09.35 | darkskiez | tam: what are you using in windows to symlink? eh? |
| 17:09.36 | dvs | jethro: Yeah. what were you thinking? ;-) |
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| 17:09.53 | jethro | dvs: I wass thinking I need more english lessons :) |
| 17:10.00 | tam | darkskiez: i'm ftping with cute ftp |
| 17:10.03 | space | debian-dev |
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| 17:10.08 | jetscreamer | that's engrish to you |
| 17:10.12 | darkskiez | tam: Ah i see, and its chrooted to your home? |
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| 17:10.19 | tam | darkskiez: yes |
| 17:10.36 | tam | all perms should be correct |
| 17:10.52 | tam | 777 and chowned to tam:tam |
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| 17:11.08 | darkskiez | tam: two options i can think of , a) change ftp server to not chroot, b) mount --bind /path/outside/chroot /home/tam/mp3s |
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| 17:11.24 | darkskiez | tam: permissions dont matter if its outside a chroot. |
| 17:11.26 | tam | darkskiez: OK cheers dood |
| 17:11.34 | tam | darkskiez: or i'll ftp in as root ;) |
| 17:11.43 | darkskiez | tam: probably wont let you do that. |
| 17:11.51 | jetscreamer | ooo mount --bind, been wondering where that was |
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| 17:12.12 | darkskiez | jetscreamer, its a bit of a hidden jem i feel. |
| 17:12.20 | darkskiez | jetscreamer, comes in dead handy. |
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| 17:12.30 | darkskiez | s/jem/gem |
| 17:12.46 | jetscreamer | mounting a directory as a directory, right? |
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| 17:13.06 | jetscreamer | instead of a partition as a dir or whatever |
| 17:13.19 | darkskiez | jethro, a directory, or a file. |
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| 17:13.24 | jetscreamer | tabtab |
| 17:13.27 | darkskiez | :) |
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| 17:15.54 | sanso | !awkward silence |
| 17:16.01 | xenoduck | :-| |
| 17:16.11 | FieldySnuts | @crush sanso |
| 17:16.18 | jetscreamer | goddammit man you ruined our attempt at the record!!! |
| 17:16.26 | xenoduck | :-( |
| 17:16.30 | FieldySnuts | it is pretty impressive to have this many people, and be any period of silence |
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| 17:17.23 | confrey | hi |
| 17:17.36 | confrey | how can I use a firewire cdwriter? |
| 17:17.51 | jethro | most of th people in here doesn't talk anyway |
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| 17:18.18 | sanso | jetscreamer, so what's the record? |
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| 17:18.36 | sanso | jetscreamer, so next time I know.. |
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| 17:19.21 | FieldySnuts | most i've seen dead silence in here is about 5 minutes |
| 17:19.23 | jethro | sanso: about 2 and a half |
| 17:19.24 | jetscreamer | sanso, i dunno |
| 17:19.29 | jethro | FieldySnuts: you were timing out |
| 17:19.54 | jetscreamer | you'd think it'd be on the stats page |
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| 17:20.15 | jethro | that's stat for activity in the channel, not inactivity :) |
| 17:20.57 | jetscreamer | LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL mwilson didn't know that much either. 37.2% of his lines were questions. |
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| 17:21.09 | greycat | probably rhetorical ones. |
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| 17:21.27 | jethro | who's this mwilson you're talking about? a regular? |
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| 17:22.16 | jetscreamer | you're kidding, right? |
| 17:22.37 | jethro | I m asking |
| 17:22.59 | jetscreamer | heh... he loves to rip new ones... yeah kinda infamous regular :) |
| 17:23.09 | jethro | ok |
| 17:23.21 | sansaway | I'll be quieter next time :-) |
| 17:23.30 | zinx | mwilson is one of the frequent #debianers who is completely unable to read minds |
| 17:23.39 | BACbKA | my /etc/modules has ide-cd as its first line, but inside the initrd image there is the loadmodules script that modprobes sg and ide-scsi. It seems that /etc/modules.conf 'option ide-scsi ignore=hdd' gets ignored. Do I need to do smth ahead of it in the initrd image? |
| 17:24.11 | jetscreamer | he knows his shit though |
| 17:24.15 | Esaj | what's a decent linux video editor? |
| 17:24.28 | jetscreamer | gui or cli |
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| 17:24.50 | jetscreamer | !tell Esaj about marillat |
| 17:24.53 | darkskiez | kino cinellera |
| 17:25.01 | jetscreamer | lotsa video stuff there Esaj |
| 17:25.03 | BACbKA | (ignored == hdd gets remapped to scd1 nevertheless) |
| 17:25.05 | Esaj | jethro: cheers |
| 17:25.09 | Esaj | oops |
| 17:25.11 | jetscreamer | tabtabtab |
| 17:25.12 | Esaj | jetscreamer: cheers |
| 17:25.16 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:25.18 | Esaj | :) |
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| 17:25.38 | jetscreamer | acidrip, dvdrip, transcode, avidemux |
| 17:25.45 | jetscreamer | v4linux |
| 17:25.46 | ricky_clarkson | Esaj: How did you get into Cambridge? ;) |
| 17:25.58 | greycat | Clearly you're straining at the boundaries of what bash can do. |
| 17:26.02 | greycat | DAMN. Wrong chan. |
| 17:26.19 | Esaj | ricky_clarkson: bribery and blackmail ;) |
| 17:26.24 | jethro | I have a friend mux which is rather avid |
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| 17:26.28 | ricky_clarkson | Esaj: Ah, old traditions.. |
| 17:26.33 | jethro | a friend called mux even |
| 17:26.45 | jethro | damn it, this userlist is HUGE |
| 17:26.51 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: I believe you have to sell your soul and turn into a pompous fuckwit to get into Cambridge. |
| 17:26.59 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: And Oxford. |
| 17:27.00 | jetscreamer | i think avidemux was the easiest to just load and do shit in |
| 17:27.03 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 17:27.06 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Only as a postgrad ;) |
| 17:27.12 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Nice. |
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| 17:27.40 | ricky_clarkson | To survive in Salford you have to wear cheap clothes. |
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| 17:29.49 | Blissex | ricky_clarkson: and a strong local accent I guess helps too. And a toque :-). |
| 17:29.50 | jetscreamer | guacamole |
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| 17:30.03 | Soriel | hello |
| 17:30.09 | jetscreamer | !hi Soriel |
| 17:30.10 | greycat | damn you, today's menu sucks. |
| 17:30.11 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai Soriel! |
| 17:30.22 | jetscreamer | ~hi Soriel |
| 17:30.24 | apt | Many greetings, Soriel, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 17:30.24 | Soriel | i'm having trouble compiling nvidia-kernel i was hoping for some help |
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| 17:30.40 | ricky_clarkson | Blissex: What the frig is a toque? |
| 17:30.49 | Soriel | first. i am using a custom compiled kernel. |
| 17:31.10 | Soriel | two the errors are about remap_page_range has an incompatible type for argument 4 |
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| 17:31.36 | Blissex | ricky_clarkson: isn't that the wolly hat that you pull down really tight and makes you look mean and dangerous? |
| 17:31.43 | ricky_clarkson | Blissex: I've looked it up - I don't think a toque would help. |
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| 17:31.57 | ricky_clarkson | "a small round woman's hat" |
| 17:32.12 | ricky_clarkson | First of all, I'm not a small round woman! |
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| 17:32.22 | Blissex | ricky_clarkson: :-) |
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| 17:32.47 | derkling | How can I disable "-nolisten tcp" for my X server... I've deleted it into /usr/X11R6/bin/startx from $defaultserverargs without any success!!!??? |
| 17:33.13 | greycat | derkling: never touch anything in /usr/X11R6/bin. You want /etc/X11/*. |
| 17:33.14 | jethro | derkling: why would you have x listen on a tcp socket? |
| 17:33.22 | FieldySnuts | @hack derkling |
| 17:33.26 | greycat | jethro: because he didn't read "/msg dpkg sshx" yet. |
| 17:33.27 | FieldySnuts | oh come on |
| 17:33.38 | jethro | greycat: I never read that one :) |
| 17:33.45 | jethro | doing it atm |
| 17:33.54 | greycat | jethro: followed by "/msg dpkg nolisten" |
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| 17:33.57 | elirips | hello. i have just compiled my new kernel. but now i've seen that the the ibm_acpi that is now built in the kernel is version 0.8, but i would like to have the latest one, 0.10. can i know simply compile 0.10 and load this as a module, or do i have to recompile the kernel first and disable the built-in (older) version? |
| 17:34.08 | derkling | jethro, I need it in order to forward a DISPLAY from a remote machine... |
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| 17:34.16 | greycat | derkling: /msg dpkg nolisten |
| 17:34.23 | jethro | derkling: you want x11 forwarding by ssh |
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| 17:35.31 | derkling | jethro, I'm anable to forward via ssh since the config is: A(myMachine)----ssh--->B(bastionHost)---ssh--->C(remoteMachine) |
| 17:35.47 | jethro | derkling: combine ssh -X and ssh -L |
| 17:35.53 | derkling | greycat, what u means? |
| 17:35.54 | sathya | i think i am near the goal , when i put the r11 cable in my pci modem on my sarge and i type pppd user mylogin@myisp i got a line ppp0 in ifconfig, so that means i got an interet connection, isn't it? |
| 17:36.02 | jethro | derkling: ssh -L to the first host, then ssh -X to the -L'ed port |
| 17:36.40 | jethro | derkling: and I even think you could do it without having to -L |
| 17:36.47 | BACbKA | my /etc/modules has ide-cd as its first line, but inside the initrd image there is the loadmodules script that modprobes sg and ide-scsi.The /etc/modules.conf 'option ide-scsi ignore=hdd' is ignored, and the CDRW remapped to hdd->scd1 (the cdrom goes hdc->hdc, but this is less painful). Do I need to do smth ahead of it in the initrd image? |
| 17:36.50 | sathya | so i have 2 lines in resolv.conf : nameserver @IP_ISP_DNS |
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| 17:37.03 | derkling | jethro, coud y better explay it using my example? |
| 17:37.15 | jethro | ssh -L 2222:localhost:22 hostb |
| 17:37.21 | jethro | then ssh -X -p 2222 localhost |
| 17:37.22 | sathya | but when i try ping www.google.com , i get unknow host message |
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| 17:37.28 | jethro | hmm no |
| 17:37.36 | sathya | does someone have an idea? |
| 17:37.40 | derkling | ?!? |
| 17:37.45 | jethro | derkling: ssh -L 2222:hostC:22 hostb, then from hostA ssh -p 2222 localhost |
| 17:37.47 | jethro | derkling: ssh -L 2222:hostC:22 hostb, then from hostA ssh -p 2222 localhost -X |
| 17:37.56 | d3xter | is anybody there use php5? |
| 17:38.11 | jethro | d3xter: no it's against our religion |
| 17:38.20 | d3xter | haha |
| 17:38.21 | Piru | yeah. bastards |
| 17:38.32 | jetscreamer | openup port22 |
| 17:38.47 | derkling | jethro, and bay that way a get a X DISPLAY forwarding?!?... can u explain the theory behind that?!? |
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| 17:39.00 | jethro | derkling: I could, but you'd better read about ssh |
| 17:39.13 | jethro | derkling: man ssh has every info you need |
| 17:39.23 | derkling | jethro, tks... |
| 17:39.26 | jethro | derkling: yw |
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| 17:39.31 | derkling | I'm going to try before! |
| 17:39.34 | derkling | :-) |
| 17:39.37 | jethro | derkling: I d read before trying |
| 17:39.41 | sathya | no one has an idea? |
| 17:39.50 | jethro | derkling: but do what you think is good |
| 17:40.18 | FieldySnuts | @any ideas |
| 17:40.19 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little WD-40, and 42 starving ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 17:42.19 | stew | i can supply the wd-40 and the herring if anyone has the ostriches |
| 17:42.27 | sathya | ok i see |
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| 17:42.50 | jethro | I gotta move to .au soon, I ll get teh ostriches |
| 17:43.02 | chugga | hmm. you mean emus? |
| 17:43.06 | dvs | jethro: In australia? |
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| 17:43.18 | samue1 | hello all |
| 17:43.29 | sathya | ok nobody can help me ? |
| 17:43.40 | jethro | dvs: ya |
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| 17:43.47 | jethro | ho ho |
| 17:43.58 | jethro | ipv6 über alles |
| 17:44.04 | derkling | jethro, it seem doesn't work for me... |
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| 17:44.10 | jethro | derkling: pebcak |
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| 17:44.22 | drac | cze |
| 17:44.22 | jethro | derkling: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 17:44.24 | jethro | derkling: /msg dpkg pebcak as well |
| 17:44.25 | jethro | :) |
| 17:44.42 | hitu | hello |
| 17:44.45 | jethro | derkling: because it worksforme® |
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| 17:45.15 | samuel | hello all |
| 17:45.33 | samuel | anyone here know of online man pages in spanish? |
| 17:45.39 | jethro | !es |
| 17:45.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:45.49 | jethro | ask there |
| 17:46.19 | samuel | jethro, thanks, i will... |
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| 17:46.25 | jethro | samuel: yw |
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| 17:49.04 | derkling | jethro, in your example "ssh -L 2222:hostC:22 hostb, then from hostA ssh -p 2222 localhost -X" therin't connection between A and B!?! |
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| 17:49.34 | jethro | derkling: then what's the first ssh about? |
| 17:49.45 | Vegar | Isn't there supposed to be a file in /etc/alsa/modutils/? |
| 17:50.00 | derkling | ssh from hostA to hostB and then from hostB to hostC |
| 17:50.01 | jethro | derkling: my commands were working ones, if you can't reproduce it, it's just pebcak |
| 17:50.18 | akrobat4 | hiya! is there a linux tool/app which converts ppt files to pdf? i can not/do not wanna use openoffice as i only have 64megs on my laptop |
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| 17:50.28 | derkling | jethro, we are in two different configurations... |
| 17:50.33 | jethro | derkling: man read the ssh manpage, and get clues before you pretend stuff you have no clues about |
| 17:50.33 | pipeline | akrobat4: Use openoffice anyway. |
| 17:50.41 | akrobat4 | no |
| 17:50.46 | darsie | Hi! dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't modify /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. It just stores the parameters in /var/cache/debconf/debconf.dat. How do I make it write them to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 17:50.58 | valdyn | darsie: /msg x md5 |
| 17:51.06 | pipeline | akrobat4: Well, I can say pretty much definitively that there is absolutely nothing else. Powerpoint is a pretty obscure fucking format. |
| 17:51.08 | jethro | derkling: it's not as if I didn't understand your situation, I got it, and you seem not to be able to understand what I answered, so I suggests you rtfm till you can |
| 17:51.31 | zlost1 | whats the default login pass and database name in postgreSQL |
| 17:51.33 | valdyn | darsie: aww, my fault, it should be /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 17:51.37 | akrobat4 | pipelineline: there is ppthtml but it does not do images/slides |
| 17:51.39 | pipeline | akrobat4: Also, 64M of RAM is more than enough for OO. I use it all the time on a PPro 180 with 64M. So bite me. I don't understand this modern obsession with minimalism. |
| 17:51.40 | darsie | ic |
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| 17:52.03 | jethro | derkling: -L portA:hostC:portB makes it so, that if you connect to portA on hostA, you will be forwarded to hostC:portB |
| 17:52.14 | jethro | derkling: it's all explained in man ssh |
| 17:52.24 | derkling | jethro, even if i'm unable to understand yours commands: if they are corrects (as u pretend) they has to work... but NO! |
| 17:52.40 | valdyn | !ssh |
| 17:52.40 | dpkg | hmm... ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is OpenSSH (www.openssh.org), http://www.ssh.com or ftp://ftp.ssh.com/pub/ssh or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client |
| 17:52.42 | jethro | ok I give up |
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| 17:52.50 | valdyn | !ssh x |
| 17:52.53 | derkling | jethro, ok... I'm giong to re-read... |
| 17:52.58 | jethro | derkling: good luck with your lack of knowledge and non willingness to learn |
| 17:53.02 | derkling | jethro, sorry... |
| 17:53.10 | samuel | #debian-es is useless |
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| 17:53.20 | samuel | this is why im always here |
| 17:53.33 | nt0[x] | samuel: so are twinkies. but when Im stoned they look good. |
| 17:53.34 | FieldySnuts | no prob, just don't expect us to speak es :/ |
| 17:53.52 | nt0[x] | samuel what is the problem? |
| 17:53.56 | jethro | what are twinkies? |
| 17:53.56 | samuel | nt0[x], hahaha, fair enough |
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| 17:54.08 | nt0[x] | jethro: hmmm |
| 17:54.15 | jethro | things you eat? |
| 17:54.20 | zlost1 | whats the default login pass and database name in postgreSQL? |
| 17:54.26 | thingfish | twinkies are a mass-produced artificial-cream filled spongecake. |
| 17:54.28 | jethro | zlost1: there is no login/password |
| 17:54.31 | nt0[x] | jethro: yes |
| 17:54.34 | jethro | zlost1: it uses ident to authenticate |
| 17:54.36 | samuel | nt0[x], just looking for online man pages in spanish... im putting debian in a friends computer, but wants it in spanish |
| 17:54.42 | jethro | nt0[x]: ok |
| 17:54.53 | jethro | samuel: you can get spanish manpages irc |
| 17:54.54 | jethro | iirc |
| 17:55.00 | jethro | I mean on the system, not only online |
| 17:55.04 | valdyn | samuel: why not use the spanish manpages that come with debian? |
| 17:55.09 | nt0[x] | I thought there was a way to make the language install of debian spanish |
| 17:55.16 | samuel | jethro, http://www.vu.union.edu/~whitee/image/twinkie.gif |
| 17:55.26 | nt0[x] | yeah, during the install, itll say it in spanish to click here for spanish install |
| 17:55.30 | nt0[x] | no? |
| 17:55.35 | nt0[x] | samuel: thanks! |
| 17:55.40 | samuel | valdyn, there is spanish manpages in debian? |
| 17:55.52 | jethro | samuel: yes |
| 17:55.52 | valdyn | !info manpages-es |
| 17:55.59 | dpkg | manpages-es: (Spanish man pages), section doc, is optional. Version: 1.28-13 (sid), Packaged size: 1177 kB, Installed size: 3752 kB |
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| 17:56.13 | zlost1 | ok im confused i go createdb and it says i dont exist, i rtfm and it says use -u postgres but still it says i need a database name |
| 17:56.14 | GunZ | is timea-bab a bot? |
| 17:56.24 | valdyn | !info manpages-es sarge |
| 17:56.25 | nt0[x] | samuel: apt-get install manpages-es |
| 17:56.25 | GunZ | cause i just got a random msg from him |
| 17:56.27 | jethro | hah |
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| 17:56.36 | dpkg | manpages-es: (Spanish man pages), section doc, is optional. Version: 1.28-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 1177 kB, Installed size: 3752 kB |
| 17:56.37 | samuel | jethro, nt0[x] thanks! |
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| 17:56.41 | jethro | just searched for twinkies at images.google, I like the babies :) |
| 17:56.46 | LoRez | GunZ: what was the random message? |
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| 17:56.54 | jethro | samuel: yw dude, I hope I didn't offend with the !es |
| 17:56.55 | dendrite | Hmmm.. in starting nfs and friends, I see that rpc.statd opens *two* UDP ports, only one of which can be set with the -p option -- the other is still random -- Any ideas on how I can nail this down? |
| 17:57.07 | GunZ | LoRez: just started talkign to me, with hi |
| 17:57.13 | thingfish | jethro: they are nasty and bad for you. |
| 17:57.16 | dendrite | zlost1: Easy way is to start out with psql template1, as user postgres. |
| 17:57.21 | jethro | thingfish: we don't have it in france |
| 17:57.34 | jethro | http://www.funnies.com/twinkies.jpg |
| 17:57.38 | jethro | liked this one :) |
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| 17:57.45 | thingfish | jethro: that's because the french know crap when they see it. :) |
| 17:57.53 | zlost1 | im sorry i dont understand how to connect as postgres |
| 17:57.58 | jethro | thingfish: that's because france is the homeland of good food :p |
| 17:58.06 | thingfish | jethro: AMEN! |
| 17:58.07 | jethro | zlost1: su - postgres, then createuser |
| 17:58.07 | dendrite | zlost1: su - postgres |
| 17:58.10 | nt0[x] | hmmm |
| 17:58.11 | samuel | jethro, lol, no... thanks anyways... thing is they are all spaniards in there... spaniards are "odd" people |
| 17:58.28 | nt0[x] | France might have good food, but that just makes up for the lack of deoderant. |
| 17:58.29 | nt0[x] | HAHA |
| 17:58.32 | nt0[x] | j/kn |
| 17:58.33 | jethro | samuel: you mean they are awake when everybody else sleeps and sleep when everybody is awake? :) |
| 17:58.34 | zlost1 | huh if i type su i get root |
| 17:58.43 | dendrite | zlost1: not su. su - postgres |
| 17:58.44 | jethro | zlost1: "su - postgres" |
| 17:58.53 | jethro | zlost1: you need to pay attention to what you read :) |
| 17:59.00 | dendrite | zlost1: man su for more info on su... |
| 17:59.11 | samuel | jethro, amongst other things... spain is just a big chimmney if you ask me |
| 17:59.17 | zlost1 | just didnt know that was possible |
| 17:59.18 | Vegar | Can anyone send me their /etc/alsa/modutils/0.9? Mine seem to be missing. |
| 17:59.20 | zlost1 | thanks |
| 17:59.25 | samuel | i thought mexicans smoked alot |
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| 17:59.35 | valdyn | Vegar: as it should |
| 17:59.38 | greycat | Vegar: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /path/to/the/package.deb |
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| 17:59.51 | Vegar | valdyn: It should be missing? |
| 18:00.01 | derkling | jethro, I've read tfm... and so: we are in two different configurations! FIRST: I'm behind a NAT and from hostA I'm going to hostB, after that I'm going from hostB to hostC SECOND: in your example y suppose the inverse path... |
| 18:00.01 | nt0[x] | americans drink *AND* smoke alot |
| 18:00.14 | valdyn | Vegar: sure, that file doesnt exist in debian ( anymore ) |
| 18:00.16 | jethro | derkling: for the love of god |
| 18:00.19 | derkling | jethro, I can't back-connect from hostC to hostA |
| 18:00.25 | Vegar | valdyn: Oh, I didn't know that. |
| 18:00.36 | Vegar | valdyn: Are there any replacements or something like that? |
| 18:01.01 | jethro | derkling: on hostA, type "ssh -L 2222:hostC:22 hostB", that will open an ssh session to hostB and bind a port on hostA, then forwarding every connection attempt to this bound port to hostC:22 |
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| 18:01.17 | valdyn | Vegar: i dont exactly know, guess /etc/modutils/alsa-base does some stuff |
| 18:01.17 | greycat | nt0[x]: not all of us. and smoking is on the decline. |
| 18:01.27 | jethro | derkling: then ssh -X -p 2222 localhost, on hostA, if you understood the first command, you know it'll work, NAT or not |
| 18:01.32 | nt0[x] | greycat: indeed.. |
| 18:01.33 | derkling | jethro, ok... I'm going to try again... |
| 18:01.38 | jethro | derkling: I m not talking connect back or anything |
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| 18:01.52 | jethro | someone correct me if I m wrong but this ssh command looks perfect to me |
| 18:01.52 | derkling | jethro, If it work: i'll pay you a bear! ;-) |
| 18:01.55 | jethro | ya |
| 18:01.58 | nt0[x] | what happened with the bug squashing party???!! |
| 18:01.58 | jethro | I huge polar bear |
| 18:02.00 | abrotman | woohoo .. bear! |
| 18:02.02 | jethro | thanks |
| 18:02.09 | greycat | can you make it a panda? |
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| 18:02.19 | jethro | greycat: sshhh it's mine! |
| 18:02.33 | greycat | all right, fine... a polar bear it is. |
| 18:02.33 | valdyn | Vegar: i guess earlier those files you mentioned had symlinks to them in /etc/modutils/ or /etc/modprobe.d/. now instead there are files, not links on the 2 directories |
| 18:02.35 | jethro | can someone confirm my ssh commands, derkling is making me wonder :) |
| 18:02.50 | Vegar | valdyn: Ok |
| 18:02.55 | Vegar | valdyn: thanks |
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| 18:03.06 | samuel | nt0[x], not at all, americans dont smoke compared to mexicans... and them compared to spaniards... well, it seems they stick a little cigarrette in their mouths as soon as they are born |
| 18:03.06 | nt0[x] | derkling: are all three hosts on the same subnet? |
| 18:03.14 | jethro | nt0[x]: no |
| 18:03.22 | jethro | nt0[x]: hostB is a bastion host |
| 18:03.22 | samuel | nt0[x], instead of milk they get nicottine |
| 18:03.27 | derkling | nt0[x], no... |
| 18:03.36 | nt0[x] | well that may be a bit tough |
| 18:03.37 | nt0[x] | hmmm |
| 18:03.42 | samuel | nt0[x], they attach little smoke bottles to their tits... |
| 18:03.46 | jethro | derkling: what's the meaning of your 'doesnt work' ? |
| 18:03.50 | nt0[x] | samuel: lmfao |
| 18:04.03 | derkling | nt0[x], I'm on a LAN (private)... I pass throught a NAT to reach hostB, finally hostB and hostC are on the same subnet... |
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| 18:04.06 | nt0[x] | derkling: can all 3 hosts ping each other? |
| 18:04.09 | hitu | lol |
| 18:04.17 | derkling | nt0[x], no |
| 18:04.19 | stew | jethro: what are you trying to do? forward an x connection through 2 machines? |
| 18:04.24 | samuel | nt0[x], lmfao??? |
| 18:04.29 | jethro | stew: not me, derkling , but yes, that's it |
| 18:04.38 | nt0[x] | samuel: laughing my fucking ass off |
| 18:04.47 | jethro | stew: have hostC apps display on hostA, using ssh X11 forwardings |
| 18:04.58 | jethro | stew: but all that bouncing trhough hostB |
| 18:04.59 | samuel | aaaahhh |
| 18:05.05 | zlost1 | you guys rock thanks jethro and dendrite |
| 18:05.08 | jethro | zlost1: yw |
| 18:05.12 | stew | derkling: have you tried just ssh -X hostB ssh -X hostC ? |
| 18:05.26 | derkling | stew, yeah... it doesn't work... |
| 18:05.37 | jethro | derkling: do you have xauth on hostA B and C ? |
| 18:05.44 | derkling | yeah |
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| 18:05.49 | stew | derkling: if you ssh -X to one machine, and ssh -X from that ssh session the x session will be forwarded through the intermediary, i've done this a bunch of times |
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| 18:06.01 | jethro | derkling: do you have x11forwarding allowed? |
| 18:06.10 | jethro | derkling: in the server configuration |
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| 18:06.21 | nt0[x] | Has anyone dared to make sure the ssh daemon is even running? |
| 18:06.25 | derkling | I've no control over hostB and hostC... |
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| 18:06.35 | jethro | derkling: make sur X11forwarding is allowed |
| 18:06.39 | jethro | derkling: ask your admin |
| 18:06.41 | derkling | but yes.. in local from hostC and hostB it work... |
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| 18:06.59 | stew | derkling: when you ssh -X to hostB make sure DISPLAY is set to localhost:10 (or 11 whatever) and the same when you ssh to C, or use ssh -v |
| 18:07.02 | jethro | then if it works on C, my commands should make it, even if it"s not allowed on B |
| 18:07.21 | jethro | anyways |
| 18:07.24 | nt0[x] | hostC might allow the X11forward to hostB, but hostB might not allow it to become public. |
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| 18:07.39 | jethro | had enough fun with you guys, time to go home |
| 18:07.48 | nt0[x] | jethro: lats |
| 18:08.02 | derkling | jethro, thanks! |
| 18:08.09 | jethro | derkling: does it work now? |
| 18:08.27 | derkling | I've not yet tryied... I'm reading... |
| 18:08.33 | jethro | ok |
| 18:08.42 | derkling | if y wai 2 min... I try! |
| 18:09.07 | nt0[x] | Im praire doggin, time to run to the lil deb's room. |
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| 18:10.56 | derkling | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.57 | derkling | ?!? |
| 18:11.31 | Piru | what? it says exactly what the problem is |
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| 18:13.09 | daaani | how do i conf X so it wount start at startup? |
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| 18:14.22 | derkling | edit /etc/inittab |
| 18:14.32 | derkling | set 5 as default runleve |
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| 18:16.25 | DotHack | daaani: disable gdm or xdm or whetever you have |
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| 18:17.00 | dendrite | daaani: X is started at boot via one of gdm, xdm or kdm, as found in /etc/init.d/ and linked in /etc/rc* . |
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| 18:17.38 | restrex | somebody knows a how fot get the 'fedora' freetype+bytecode style on debian?? |
| 18:17.43 | dendrite | daaani: So you can find and remove the /etc/rc* symlinks, or change the 'S' to a 'K' in their names. |
| 18:17.44 | restrex | :) |
| 18:17.58 | restrex | somebody knows a how to for get the 'fedora' freetype+bytecode style on debian?? |
| 18:18.26 | DotHack | !rules |
| 18:18.26 | dpkg | [rules] 1) Don't ask to ask. Just say your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
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| 18:19.28 | valdyn | restrex: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 18:19.53 | restrex | ok |
| 18:19.55 | restrex | me refiero a esto http://restrex.dotgeek.org/hoary.png http://www.freepgs.com/juan-pablo/ubuntu.png |
| 18:20.06 | valdyn | restrex: dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 18:20.12 | restrex | the firt shot have the 'style' the second doesn't |
| 18:20.12 | dendrite | Anyone have any ideas why rpc.statd is opening *two* UDP listeners along with it's TCP listener? |
| 18:20.15 | barra | How could I change as root the password from a user ? |
| 18:20.19 | restrex | the first shot have the 'style' the second doesn't |
| 18:20.50 | dendrite | barra: passwd userid, where userid is the user ID of the user you want to affect. |
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| 18:21.00 | restrex | valdyn thanks I'll try it now ;) |
| 18:21.10 | barra | thanks |
| 18:21.17 | else | where could be the miscue why debian doesn't even recognize my ipod in dmesg? |
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| 18:22.24 | flart | hya |
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| 18:23.15 | fatal_ | I run irssi in gnome-terminal and change irssi-window with alt+{left,right)arrow ... this doesn't work... I guess maybe gnome-terminal for tabs or something... is there any way to let the alt+left/right through to irssi? |
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| 18:23.50 | restrex | valdyn dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf didn't work :( |
| 18:24.02 | mirak | hi |
| 18:24.02 | restrex | what have I to install to run it? |
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| 18:24.05 | nt0[x] | fatal_: it depends on the term |
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| 18:24.14 | valdyn | restrex: apt-get install x-ttcidfont-conf to install it |
| 18:24.16 | DotHack | restrex: i dont get your question and i see no diffence in the shots |
| 18:24.17 | fatal_ | alt+<number> is used for gnome-terminal tab shortcuts as well as irssi-window shortcuts, but they are let though if I don't have any tabs open in gnome-terminal. |
| 18:24.24 | Baby | apt.get install x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 18:24.25 | mirak | how to make firefox open the urls like mailto: with thunderbird mail program ? |
| 18:24.26 | Kidaz | How do you upgrade just one package?? |
| 18:24.37 | Baby | restrex :) |
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| 18:24.45 | fatal_ | nt0[x]: I'm using gnome-terminal.... want to try to get it working without having to switch to rxvt.... |
| 18:24.47 | Baby | s/apt.get/apt_get |
| 18:24.50 | barra | is there a console tool which suggests passwords ? |
| 18:24.57 | Soriel | anyone know of an easy way to get the bootsplash package to work on amd64 |
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| 18:25.05 | restrex | :P baby |
| 18:25.10 | barra | or create secure passwords ? |
| 18:25.17 | nt0[x] | fatal_: Im not exactly sure, I had that problem between xterm and Aterm |
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| 18:25.23 | cahoot | barra: pwgen is one |
| 18:25.24 | nt0[x] | Aterm finally soved my probs |
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| 18:26.29 | fatal_ | nt0[x]: I've used rxvt and derivates before too (since it usually works good in most situations)... just want to try beating some sense into gnome-terminal.... |
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| 18:26.58 | restrex | valdyn Backend to use for TrueType handling on X: xtt or freetype?? I guess freetype xD |
| 18:27.31 | nt0[x] | fatal_: I dont nor have the want to use gnome at all, So I am not exactly sure. I just rather use a term thats not attached to a desktop env. |
| 18:27.33 | valdyn | restrex: i dont notice a difference between those 2 |
| 18:27.37 | else | where could be the miscue why debian doesn't even recognize my ipod in dmesg? firewire modules are loaded |
| 18:27.44 | restrex | valdyn... no??? |
| 18:27.49 | restrex | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.12 | valdyn | restrex: no, bytecode / whatever matters, but freetype or xtt produce about same results for me |
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| 18:28.14 | nt0[x] | else: try using discover? |
| 18:28.25 | else | nt0[x], hum, don't know this. i will look. |
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| 18:28.41 | restrex | valdyn |
| 18:28.43 | nt0[x] | apt-cache search discover. |
| 18:28.45 | restrex | http://www.freepgs.com/juan-pablo/ubuntu.png |
| 18:28.51 | else | installing it already ;) |
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| 18:29.04 | era | is there an authomatic script to renew an apache-ssl certificate? |
| 18:29.20 | restrex | here isn't tooo antialiased than http://restrex.dotgeek.org/hoary.png |
| 18:29.26 | nt0[x] | ok I'm out till later, see you all them. |
| 18:29.39 | hmmhesays | I cannot find where to disable gamma_drv in xconfig for kernel 2.6.10 can someone help me out? |
| 18:29.39 | else | cya, thanks |
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| 18:30.04 | Gokee2 | Hi all |
| 18:30.11 | valdyn | restrex: whats with that screenshot? |
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| 18:30.28 | DotHack | restrex: i dont see a difference |
| 18:30.41 | restrex | the fonts difference!! |
| 18:30.44 | restrex | wow |
| 18:30.51 | hmmhesays | anyoen? |
| 18:30.52 | hmmhesays | *anyone |
| 18:30.54 | restrex | I don't know why you don get the diffrenece |
| 18:31.00 | valdyn | restrex: first is bytecode, other is other, thats not related to xtt / freetype i think |
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| 18:31.10 | restrex | ok |
| 18:31.11 | restrex | but |
| 18:31.13 | Gokee2 | I like /amsg |
| 18:31.18 | samuel | how do you set the enviroment variable LC_MESSAGE? is this a bash variable? |
| 18:31.25 | restrex | I dont have bytecode option at the configuretion |
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| 18:31.36 | samuel | or does man use some config file? |
| 18:31.36 | valdyn | restrex: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig has it |
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| 18:31.47 | giovanni | hi, i've a problem with my usb storage the s.o. don't recognize it , who can help me? |
| 18:31.51 | restrex | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.57 | restrex | ok valdyn :) |
| 18:32.04 | DotHack | i use tahoma |
| 18:32.09 | timea-bab | ;( |
| 18:32.17 | valdyn | restrex: read what it sais about xtt, it doesnt say "much better fonts" ) |
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| 18:32.29 | restrex | yes |
| 18:32.29 | valdyn | restrex: just something about bold faced fonts |
| 18:32.34 | restrex | so I choosed |
| 18:32.39 | restrex | freetypwe |
| 18:32.41 | restrex | :P |
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| 18:32.56 | blackout | does Debian's ipsec-tools package have a default place for you to add spdadd rules? For instance, is there a file that will be executed automatically, and is thus a good place for you to put rules on startup? |
| 18:33.26 | restrex | valdyn at fontconfig I choose bitmapped? |
| 18:33.42 | valdyn | restrex: nope |
| 18:33.47 | restrex | ok |
| 18:34.06 | Gokee2 | I HATE /amsg It gives it to ALL the servers I am on! |
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| 18:36.59 | superSSS | Can someone tell me, what controls my mouse in debian. Sometimes it stops to work, when i reboot it works again... |
| 18:37.29 | superSSS | Its a cordless mouse |
| 18:37.31 | DotHack | superSSS: like with all other distibution or oses YOU control you mouse :) |
| 18:37.38 | Gokee2 | superSSS, You hand controls your mouse |
| 18:37.43 | Gokee2 | your* |
| 18:37.53 | DotHack | weeeee |
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| 18:38.19 | Gokee2 | DotHack, Don`t beat me to my lines :) |
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| 18:38.31 | superSSS | I would like to fix that, so I dont have to reboot each time, this happens... |
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| 18:40.11 | DotHack | superSSS: do you have to reboot or kill X?? |
| 18:40.35 | superSSS | reboot |
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| 18:41.03 | DotHack | superSSS: you sure, did you try switching to console with CTRL-ALT-F1? |
| 18:41.06 | superSSS | battery is ok, and its plugged in |
| 18:41.26 | Cuga_ | tryed unplugging it and plugging it back in ? |
| 18:41.34 | superSSS | why would i switch to console? |
| 18:41.58 | DotHack | superSSS: to test if its your mouse that is freezing or X |
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| 18:42.25 | superSSS | what should i write in that console to test this |
| 18:42.36 | DotHack | boing |
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| 18:42.53 | superSSS | and yeah, sometimes this IceWM just freezes over |
| 18:43.10 | superSSS | when i start mozzila with flash, it freezes over windows |
| 18:43.13 | DotHack | superSSS: you use the nvidia drivers>>>??? |
| 18:43.30 | superSSS | nvidia, i dont think so |
| 18:43.45 | DotHack | superSSS: just asking? |
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| 18:44.27 | ChrisW | anyone know how I can exclude a path from find? |
| 18:44.43 | ChrisW | I'm looking for big files, but I don't want to include those in /backup |
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| 18:45.40 | abrotman | ChrisW: man find |
| 18:45.50 | ChrisW | I did |
| 18:45.54 | ChrisW | what am I looking for? |
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| 18:46.14 | greycat | ChrisW: -prune, and a stiff drink. |
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| 18:46.37 | greycat | (because the syntax is *horrid*.) |
| 18:46.51 | superSSS | which PID do i have to kill to restart X |
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| 18:47.00 | DotHack | X |
| 18:47.11 | Gathond | superSSS: whatever PID the current X have |
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| 18:47.27 | greycat | <troll> PID 1 </troll> |
| 18:47.47 | DotHack | superSSS: you can also try ctrl-alt-backspace while in x |
| 18:47.57 | superSSS | /usr/bin/X11/wdm ? |
| 18:48.07 | greycat | someone actually *uses* wdm?? |
| 18:48.11 | ChrisW | hmm, well, -prune doesn't seem to indicate how I can exlcude, in my case, /backup |
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| 18:49.07 | greycat | ChrisW: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=find&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html has a couple examples, but probably nothing that's *exactly* what you want to do. |
| 18:49.07 | asuffield | go and read the entire find manual |
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| 18:49.15 | asuffield | you need to understand how find works in order to do this |
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| 18:49.35 | greycat | Hint: on a Debian GNU/Linux box, the "find manual" can NOT be retrieved with the man(1) command. |
| 18:49.52 | jefedelamanutenc | algum brazuca na área???? |
| 18:49.54 | greycat | Try the OpenBSD one I showed above, or the info pages. |
| 18:50.00 | greycat | !tell jefedelamanutenc about br |
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| 18:50.15 | chugga | greycat, a feature not bug |
| 18:50.21 | greycat | chugga: which is the "feature"? |
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| 18:50.39 | ChrisW | hmm, only has one example, I still have no idea how to use it |
| 18:50.40 | chugga | info over man :P |
| 18:50.53 | greycat | chugga: info(1). must. die. |
| 18:51.36 | azreal | ChrisW: why is it so important to exclude that directory? just ignore any results from it. |
| 18:51.47 | chugga | grey, agreed |
| 18:51.50 | ChrisW | 'cos I'm hunting for big files |
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| 18:51.56 | ChrisW | ie: logs that need rotating |
| 18:52.05 | ChrisW | but /backup is the machine's 2nd hard disk |
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| 18:52.11 | greycat | I should add a -prune example to my own "man page" (/msg dpkg man find) once I work up the ambition. |
| 18:52.14 | ChrisW | which keeps 1 weeks worth of nightly backups |
| 18:52.15 | azreal | ChrisW: you CAN still hunt for big files, just ignore the ones in that directory |
| 18:52.24 | ChrisW | azreal: yeah, how'd I do that? |
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| 18:52.42 | greycat | ChrisW: you're a human. if you see one there, just ignore it. |
| 18:53.00 | valdyn | !find man/man1/find.1.gz |
| 18:53.32 | azreal | ChrisW: you can also tell tar to exclude from backup, if thats what your trying to do. |
| 18:53.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'man/man1/find.1.gz' (1 shown): (/usr/share/man/man1/find.1.gz) in base/findutils. |
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| 18:54.05 | greycat | valdyn: is that a surprise to you? |
| 18:54.18 | SeKh | hey there, i'm installing sarge on my desktop system. I'm replacing an existing gentoo install and i do not want to change the partitioning scheme. I've got several NTFS partitions on the disks too which i dont want touched under any circumstance :) In the installers partitioning program, if a partition is marked as "do not use" can i be sure that that specific partition will not be touched at ALL by the installer? |
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| 18:54.35 | greycat | what the hell. |
| 18:54.38 | harryvv | whats the path to restart named? |
| 18:54.45 | greycat | harryvv: ls /etc/init.d |
| 18:54.50 | valdyn | greycat: nah I tried locally first |
| 18:54.52 | harryvv | k |
| 18:55.11 | DotHack | SeKh: why dont manaually part your system |
| 18:55.16 | harryvv | grey was in there and did not see it |
| 18:55.27 | greycat | harryvv: bind |
| 18:55.41 | SeKh | DotHack: i was thinking of doing that, but i dont think i spotted the option to do so in the installer :) i'll look again |
| 18:56.17 | harryvv | bind mmm |
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| 18:56.26 | SeKh | do i have to boot the cd in expert mode to get that option? |
| 18:56.29 | harryvv | Read a little on that in the past. |
| 18:56.35 | DotHack | harryvv: invoke-rc.d bind restart |
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| 18:56.55 | DotHack | SeKh: dunno |
| 18:56.59 | SeKh | :) |
| 18:57.04 | ZooR | Hi everyone. Is there a simple way to activate an internet connection in debian? |
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| 18:57.41 | valdyn | ZooR: which way to connect to the internet |
| 18:57.45 | streuner | ZooR: ifup |
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| 18:58.02 | DotHack | ZooR: press the big red button that says ACTIVATE |
| 18:58.08 | douglas- | can someone help me with compiling a source package with some changes? |
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| 18:58.18 | valdyn | !faq zoor |
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| 18:58.19 | dpkg | zoor: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 18:58.19 | harryvv | dont have bind in /etc/init.d :) |
| 18:58.28 | streuner | ZooR: How do you connect to i-net at all? |
| 18:58.36 | greycat | ZooR: plug it into a network that has a properly configured DHCP server, then set it up as a DHCP client. That's the default in sarge, by the way. |
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| 18:59.33 | ZooR | This is my other computer streuner. the ifupy thingy just said that my interface lo is allready activated? |
| 18:59.39 | douglas- | I'm trying to compile bind9 from src with --disable-linux-caps. |
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| 18:59.41 | ZooR | ½faq |
| 18:59.44 | ZooR | !faq |
| 18:59.45 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 18:59.47 | DotHack | harryvv: what do you have in init.d |
| 19:00.17 | quittt | where can I find Debian packages of Skype? |
| 19:00.18 | streuner | ZooR: well, you have to set up the ethernet as well - read /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 19:00.30 | DotHack | ZooR: is you nic detected correctly?? |
| 19:00.30 | greycat | !listkeys skype |
| 19:00.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'skype' by key (1 shown): skype. |
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| 19:00.50 | ZooR | DotHack: I guess so... its the right networkcard... |
| 19:00.56 | douglas- | can anyone help me? |
| 19:00.58 | gilles | I can't set the language to fr_FR.UTF-8 in gdm, when i do it, it gives me the following message : "Language utf-8 doesn't exist, use default" (i have installed fr_FR.UTF-8@euro which is my default, fr_FR.UTF-8 and zh_CN.UTF-8 using dpkg-reconfigure locales), what can i do to solve my problem ? |
| 19:01.09 | gilles | (i use gnome) |
| 19:01.09 | DotHack | ZooR: lo isnt your nic |
| 19:01.17 | valdyn | gilles: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:01.30 | gilles | valdyn: i did it, as i said |
| 19:01.44 | wl | is there a way to automatically let `dpkg-buildpackage' add the distribution name (potato, woody, sarge...) to the package version the package is build for? |
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| 19:01.50 | ZooR | DotHack: hmm... I'm sorry but I'm kinda new at all this. I'm not sure what you mean/want me to do |
| 19:01.52 | quittt | !skype |
| 19:01.53 | dpkg | i guess skype is a free voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/ |
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| 19:02.00 | greycat | wl: no. |
| 19:02.08 | quittt | I need a Skype package for Debian |
| 19:02.09 | wl | k |
| 19:02.10 | valdyn | gilles: do i see a comma , instead of a dot . there ? |
| 19:02.12 | DotHack | ZooR: dmesg | grep eth |
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| 19:02.45 | [SA]Dennis | My Debian APT-GET says "Couldn't find package ssh". How do I configure apt-get? |
| 19:02.48 | azreal | quittt: try apt-get.org |
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| 19:02.53 | streuner | ZooR: make sure you have the module for your NIC loaded and edit /etc/network/interfaces (/msg dpkg interfaces) |
| 19:02.55 | valdyn | gilles: youre using a wrong locale name |
| 19:03.02 | quittt | azreal, all of them are outdated |
| 19:03.08 | douglas- | quittt: http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/ |
| 19:03.20 | azreal | quittt: well, get the source and build your own then |
| 19:03.25 | hans_ | i cant turn on my soundboard, its an als4000. any comments? |
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| 19:03.38 | quittt | azreal, how??? |
| 19:03.41 | gilles | valdyn: i don't understand what you mean |
| 19:03.41 | quittt | it is closed source |
| 19:04.04 | pingouin | quittt: there is binaries somewhere |
| 19:04.09 | ZooR | DotHack: I'd like to... but thats where my other problem comes in :D The keyboard is set to US but should be set to a swedish keyboard. This means that I cant find all the "specialsigns" |
| 19:04.16 | valdyn | gilles: cut and paste the line where you try to set your locale |
| 19:04.22 | douglas- | hmm skype has there own linux software |
| 19:04.24 | douglas- | why not try theres? |
| 19:04.25 | [SA]Dennis | My Debian APT-GET says "Couldn't find package ssh". How do I configure apt-get? |
| 19:04.34 | directhex | apt-setup |
| 19:04.34 | PerfDave | [SA]Dennis: apt-cache search ssh |
| 19:04.36 | azreal | quittt: debian.org, read the docs |
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| 19:04.48 | greycat | [SA]Dennis: apt-setup; apt-get update; apt-get install ssh |
| 19:04.50 | gilles | valdyn: Generating locales... fr_FR.UTF-8@euro... done zh_CN.UTF-8... done fr_FR.UTF-8... done Generation complete. |
| 19:05.04 | [SA]Dennis | My bad! I set it up for CDROM |
| 19:05.07 | [SA]Dennis | Tnx Gaygat! :D |
| 19:05.10 | [SA]Dennis | It's working now |
| 19:05.12 | valdyn | gilles: thats generating locales, show me where you are trying to set it in gdm |
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| 19:06.24 | DotHack | !keymap |
| 19:06.24 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
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| 19:06.36 | hans_ | hi all, my i've a soundcard als4000, how d u make it work? |
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| 19:06.46 | gilles | valdyn: i don't know how to show you that, it's when i'm on the log screen, i can choose one of those three locales, then when i chose fr_FR.UTF-8, it gives me the error msg, but it works with the two others |
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| 19:06.56 | DotHack | ZooR: run dpkg-reconfigure console-data as root |
| 19:06.57 | streuner | hans_: /msg dpkg sound |
| 19:07.04 | samuel | does anyone here have the debian packaged apache server AND SSI working? |
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| 19:07.36 | samuel | i did everything that, according to the manual, is needed to enable apache SSI, no luck.... |
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| 19:08.10 | nrl | WEBCAM-GirL_: please don't message me (I hope you're not doing it to everyone on join) |
| 19:08.26 | douglas- | yup |
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| 19:08.27 | douglas- | she is. |
| 19:08.28 | ZooR | DotHack: I didt it... however. Do I have to reboot to make it work? |
| 19:08.40 | nrl | douglas-: he is more likely ;) |
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| 19:08.51 | douglas- | nrl: true |
| 19:08.53 | DotHack | ZooR: no |
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| 19:09.12 | drp | webcamgirl a spammer? |
| 19:09.19 | streuner | !tell hans_ about sound |
| 19:09.23 | Bruutje | opers ? please ban WEBCAM-GirL_ |
| 19:09.25 | pingouin | quittt: i got static binaries from : http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/ |
| 19:09.25 | Bruutje | yes |
| 19:09.26 | blackout | is there a better option for setting IPSEC policy than making your own config file, and somehow running it automatically on boot each time? |
| 19:09.27 | douglas- | can anyone help me compile bind9 from src with disable-linux-caps? |
| 19:09.30 | streuner | hans_: by reading the factoid |
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| 19:09.38 | douglas- | pingoiun: yea I already pasted that, he didn't care. |
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| 19:09.41 | Bruutje | zenks |
| 19:09.45 | DotHack | ZooR: /etc/init.d/keymap.sh restart |
| 19:09.50 | quittt | pingouin, I found a Deb package |
| 19:09.52 | quittt | http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian/pool/main/s/skype/skype_1.0.0.1-1_i386.deb |
| 19:10.03 | blackout | seems like there should be a blank file for setkey that is automagically run from the included init script that you could add your spd rules to |
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| 19:10.08 | pingouin | what is «THE FREE»/Gnu «skype» soft ? |
| 19:10.15 | pingouin | skyke's not free ya ? |
| 19:10.23 | greycat | !skype |
| 19:10.23 | dpkg | i heard skype is a free voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/ |
| 19:10.32 | pingouin | ah free |
| 19:10.33 | ZooR | DotHack: I didt it... it still dont work |
| 19:10.38 | pingouin | surprised |
| 19:10.44 | PerfDave | pingouin: kphone, gnomemeeting, several others. |
| 19:10.50 | douglas- | its not free actually, they have two versions of skype, ones free and one costs money. |
| 19:10.52 | Bruutje | voip..well...it uses a closed protocl |
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| 19:11.08 | pingouin | douglas-: aaahh |
| 19:11.10 | pingouin | ok |
| 19:11.12 | PerfDave | !skype is also based on propriatery, closed-source protocols |
| 19:11.12 | dpkg | okay, PerfDave |
| 19:11.21 | Bruutje | skype is free to call other skype users....to call regular fones you have to pay |
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| 19:11.37 | pingouin | so gnomemeeting or kphone better |
| 19:11.37 | sewm | hello everyone, I just installed sarge and I am having some trouble with postgresql I can't connect to the server using psql what is the default password for the postgresql user? |
| 19:11.41 | DotHack | ZooR: weird |
| 19:11.44 | coder | hi |
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| 19:11.46 | greycat | what the hell is a "closed-source protocoo"? |
| 19:11.50 | greycat | s/oo/ol/ |
| 19:11.54 | Bruutje | hehe |
| 19:12.01 | Bruutje | means it secret |
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| 19:12.07 | douglas- | yea its a joke. a billion other programs let you do that as well, so skype it seems, is kinda worthless lol. |
| 19:12.09 | greycat | also, you misspelled "proprietary" |
| 19:12.10 | directhex | dpkg, skype =~ s/free/free \(beer\)/ |
| 19:12.10 | dpkg | directhex: OK |
| 19:12.11 | Bruutje | not public |
| 19:12.16 | ZooR | DotHack: Yeah... I had someone else look at the internet settings and according to him it should work |
| 19:12.21 | ZooR | but it doesnt |
| 19:12.24 | greycat | Bruutje: so it means "proprietary" |
| 19:12.28 | coder | as slackware/openbsd/gentoo user I do see strange the fact that debian sets www-data shell to /bin/bash instead of /bin/false, do you people know why? |
| 19:12.29 | directhex | bah, ffs, since when don't i need to escape brackets |
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| 19:12.31 | Bruutje | yup |
| 19:12.36 | greycat | directhex: since forever. |
| 19:12.51 | greycat | coder: doesn't matter if the user has no password. |
| 19:12.53 | DotHack | ZooR: did dmesg | grep eth give you some output? |
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| 19:13.24 | douglas- | anyone? |
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| 19:13.28 | expose | hi guys. |
| 19:13.30 | ZooR | I still cant do the | sign... due to the lack of co-operation from my stupid laptop keyboard =) |
| 19:13.41 | ZooR | DotHack: I still cant do the | sign... due to the lack of co-operation from my stupid laptop keyboard =) * |
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| 19:14.01 | douglas- | sounds like a personal problem :) |
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| 19:14.19 | expose | i got acpi working so far. s1 works cleanly, s3 "stops all tasks", stops the fans and stuff - but after it's work is done, the machine powers down completely. |
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| 19:14.32 | ZooR | My laptop hates me and I start to hate it quite soon :D |
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| 19:18.29 | sewm | I installed postgres but it didn't tell me what the password was, so I can't make new users or dbs. Any ideas? |
| 19:19.01 | caphuso | sewm: try /usr/share/doc/postgresql*/ |
| 19:19.31 | coder | as slackware/openbsd/gentoo user I do see strange the fact that debian sets www-data shell to /bin/bash instead of /bin/false, do you people know why? |
| 19:19.36 | coder | greycat didn't read you |
| 19:19.39 | coder | doesn't matter? |
| 19:19.40 | caphuso | coder: why not? |
| 19:19.53 | greycat | if it bothers you change it |
| 19:20.05 | caphuso | the www-data user can't log in anyways |
| 19:20.09 | DotHack | ZooR: restart X |
| 19:20.16 | DotHack | ZooR: comeletely log out |
| 19:20.19 | ZooR | DotHack: ok |
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| 19:20.39 | coder | caphuso what if someone uses -for example- latest awstats bug to set a passwd? |
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| 19:20.43 | Martok | Anybody know how to find and install a serial mouse with modprobe? |
| 19:21.02 | caphuso | coder: what if someoen uses -for example- latest awstats bug to use chsh? |
| 19:21.06 | samuel | any takers please? anyone know how to enable SSI on debian-apache? |
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| 19:21.39 | coder | caphuso good questions |
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| 19:22.05 | coder | so why some distros set a shell and others do not? that's the question xD |
| 19:22.25 | greycat | because. |
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| 19:22.46 | caphuso | coder: if someone manages to execute random code as root on your box, you've lost. if some system users use /bin/false or /bin/bash as login shell is really no concern in that situation |
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| 19:23.54 | caphuso | the only difference is if you need to use "su www-data" or "su -s /bin/bash www-data" |
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| 19:24.06 | sewm | caphuso: re: postgres, thanks.. I was looking somewhere else for docs I think I've found it now.. |
| 19:24.10 | ZooR | DotHack: Now... this is the strange part. My ÖÄÅ (swedish letters) works fine in the login screen in my gnome window. But it doesn't work in terminal |
| 19:24.17 | coder | caphuso and noone will need this |
| 19:24.39 | hans_ | caphuso: my site 've ben hacked with that bug! |
| 19:24.48 | hcooper | help! can't get MySQL to start anymore. Are there any new bugs that I should know about? (" mysqld got signal 11;") |
| 19:24.58 | streuner | !keymap |
| 19:24.59 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
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| 19:25.10 | rellik | my 'mount' gives an exit status of 256 when timing out on an SMBFS share... but I can't find any documentation on this... any idea if, when I See 256, I am assured that it's a SMBFS error? |
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| 19:25.12 | DotHack | ZooR: what is the char encoding in terninbal |
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| 19:26.44 | DotHack | !dpkg set up x |
| 19:26.44 | dpkg | from memory, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 19:26.57 | coder | caphuso how is it possible that you think it does not matter that a running process has shell or not? |
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| 19:27.13 | caphuso | coder: because it doesn't matter |
| 19:27.23 | ZooR | DotHack: Hmm... I'm really sorry but I cant see anything like that in the terminalsettings. I'm terrible in Linux. If this would have been windows I'd know exaclty what to do. This is totally new ground for me :-\ |
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| 19:28.15 | abrotman | no way |
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| 19:28.18 | abrotman | !wb eeyore-_ |
| 19:28.19 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! eeyore-_ has returned! |
| 19:28.25 | eeyore-_ | hmm |
| 19:28.29 | abrotman | eeyore-_: but it looks like your tail got stuck in a door |
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| 19:28.35 | eeyore-_ | ya :) |
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| 19:29.45 | eeyore- | how's everybody doing? |
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| 19:29.52 | abrotman | peachy .. and yourself? |
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| 19:30.30 | hans_ | cool |
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| 19:30.47 | DotHack | ZooR: in /etc/XF86Config-4 modify the line XkbLayout from us to se |
| 19:31.03 | DotHack | ZooR: sorry /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 19:31.11 | eeyore- | just great. have a week of rebuilding toolchains to look forward to :-) (no, it's not gentoo, it's for slowlaris) |
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| 19:31.25 | abrotman | eeyore-: could be worse i suppose |
| 19:31.42 | abrotman | eeyore-: could be unixware :) |
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| 19:32.12 | eeyore- | abrotman: ha! |
| 19:32.20 | ZooR | DotHack: done |
| 19:32.22 | ChrisW | if I have /logs/site1, /logs/site2, etc, is there a way to write a config for logrotate that will rotate all logs, or do I haev to do a section for each site? |
| 19:32.30 | ZooR | DotHack: Reboot again? |
| 19:32.30 | DotHack | ZooR: works? |
| 19:32.34 | ZooR | no =) |
| 19:32.38 | DotHack | ZooR: no restart X |
| 19:32.43 | abrotman | marcel_: what in gods name are you doing? |
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| 19:32.55 | else | why doesn't this work? "rmmod -f ohci1394" results in "ERROR: Removing 'ohci1394': Device or resource busy" |
| 19:33.12 | eeyore- | else: something is using ohci1394. maybe sbp2. |
| 19:33.15 | N-MAN | :) |
| 19:33.28 | else | i cannot remove sbp2 either ;) |
| 19:33.41 | eeyore- | else: is something using sbp2? is it mounted? |
| 19:33.49 | else | the device is unmounted |
| 19:34.30 | eeyore- | else: sometimes the kernel is screwed up, esp. with hotpluggable devices, esp. if it went "offline" in a bad way. do you see a lot of "can't perform i/o to dead device" or similar message in dmesg output? if so, it's a good sign you're stuck with it until reboot |
| 19:34.30 | ZooR | DotHack: on my way =) |
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| 19:34.46 | swatikiss | !seen swatikiss |
| 19:34.46 | dpkg | swatikiss is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 422 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 19:35.05 | else | no, nothing like this, eeyore- |
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| 19:35.48 | samuel | ok... ive mod_include, mod_cgi, mod_expires enabled... i added options includes and the addtype and addoutputfilter... restarted apache and nothing... what the fu"% is wrong? |
| 19:35.48 | SilentBob | What is the best way to use debian with the 2.4 kernel? |
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| 19:36.03 | SilentBob | Which disc should I get? |
| 19:36.14 | stew | SilentBob: you are installing from scratch? |
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| 19:36.22 | SilentBob | stew yea |
| 19:36.27 | aka_druid | hi guys... if I happen to need python 2.3 on woody, whats would be the best choice? |
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| 19:36.33 | stew | SilentBob: does the machine have a good net connection? |
| 19:36.33 | ZooR | DotHack: Still doesn't work :-\ |
| 19:36.35 | ixi-deb05 | hi |
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| 19:36.45 | SilentBob | stew not really, that's why I want the 2.4 kernel... |
| 19:36.54 | SilentBob | My wireless card is only supported under the 2.4 kernel. |
| 19:36.58 | SilentBob | It's an orinoco. |
| 19:36.59 | directhex | SilentBob, desktop or server? |
| 19:36.59 | stew | SilentBob: /msg dpkg netinst |
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| 19:37.05 | hans_ | als4000 how i make it work on sarge? |
| 19:37.05 | SilentBob | directhex, desktop |
| 19:37.10 | directhex | !d-i SilentBob |
| 19:37.11 | dpkg | SilentBob, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:37.16 | SilentBob | stew I said I don't have a good connection |
| 19:37.17 | SilentBob | heh |
| 19:37.23 | SilentBob | stew the netinstall will be the 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:37.29 | stew | SilentBob: any current installer will support a orinoco |
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| 19:37.34 | SilentBob | directhex, That is the 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:37.39 | SilentBob | stew this is not true. |
| 19:37.41 | SilentBob | Trust me. |
| 19:37.44 | directhex | SilentBob, 2.4.27 or 2.6.8, your choice |
| 19:37.49 | SilentBob | directhex, thanks |
| 19:37.57 | Lethorion | hi, I'm trying to install debian from a usb memory stick, all is fine til I get to the part where it is supposed to read components from installer iso.. it says it can't find the cdrom even thou the boot iso is mounted to /cdrom.. any ideas? |
| 19:37.59 | SilentBob | stew this orinoco card has the hermes II chipset. |
| 19:38.03 | SilentBob | I am looking at the source code now. |
| 19:38.07 | stew | SilentBob: i don't trust you, point me to a current installer that doesn't support orinoco |
| 19:38.11 | DotHack | ZooR: maybe the XkbModel has to change to pc105 from pc101 |
| 19:38.17 | SilentBob | stew, And I've personally talked with the person who coded this driver. |
| 19:38.20 | directhex | !tell stew about woody hardware support |
| 19:38.25 | ZooR | DotHack: ok... I'll try that |
| 19:38.28 | SilentBob | There is no support on the hermes II chipset for the 2.6 kernel |
| 19:38.34 | abrotman | marcel_: do it again and fucking die |
| 19:38.37 | SilentBob | That's what a lot people think... |
| 19:38.48 | SilentBob | Because orinoco cards were one of the first cards to have open source drivers... |
| 19:38.55 | SilentBob | While my drivers are open source... |
| 19:39.01 | SilentBob | I don't have 4 months to do kernel hacking.. |
| 19:39.05 | SilentBob | and rewrite the drivers. |
| 19:39.10 | ixi-deb05 | I'm trying to remotely boot a station with 3C905-TX-M card but it fails. PXEClient tries to connect to 4011 port on server which seems to be PXE server port while I use dhcp3 server. How to tell PXEClient to stop asking 4011 port? |
| 19:39.13 | SilentBob | My card will not work with the 2.6 kernel. |
| 19:39.25 | sussudio | !works with 2.4 |
| 19:39.43 | abrotman | sussudio: are you getting dcc requests from marcel_ ? |
| 19:39.54 | sussudio | abrotman: i have +CE set |
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| 19:39.59 | abrotman | ah |
| 19:40.32 | stew | directhex: ? |
| 19:40.57 | greycat | abrotman: he does it to me, too. from 192.168.1.100. |
| 19:41.10 | abrotman | can't we just kill him? |
| 19:41.15 | ZooR | DotHack: Still doesn't work =) |
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| 19:41.44 | DotHack | ZooR: bleh |
| 19:41.47 | stew | abrotman: if he's not doing anything in the channel its a #freenode issue not a #debian issue, right? |
| 19:41.49 | ZooR | DotHack: ohh wait! |
| 19:41.50 | greycat | abrotman: well, he's already +q'd. |
| 19:42.01 | ZooR | Everything except öäå works now. |
| 19:42.07 | ZooR | Thats all I need atm I guess =) |
| 19:42.19 | abrotman | stew: it's annoying :) |
| 19:42.27 | cahoot | ZooR: heh funkar här |
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| 19:42.41 | DotHack | hehe so | doesnt work |
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| 19:42.55 | ZooR | cahoot: Men inte här =) |
| 19:42.59 | DotHack | ZooR: maybe it on another key try some |
| 19:43.13 | ZooR | DotHack: Yes it does. Everything except Ö Ä Å works =) |
| 19:43.20 | ZooR | The | thingy works =) |
| 19:43.45 | DotHack | ZooR: and what is ? |
| 19:44.03 | cahoot | ZooR: meant the chars turn up as expected here when you type them |
| 19:44.05 | hans_ | does anybody know how 2 configure an als4000 soundcard on sarge? |
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| 19:44.31 | drac | hans_: tried alsa? |
| 19:44.53 | ZooR | You asked me earlier on to write "dmesg | grep eth" I could write that earlier due to the lack of co-operation from my laptop. Now I can write | atleast =) |
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| 19:45.29 | ZooR | Everything except öäå works at this moment... thats not a priority for me anyway atm =) |
| 19:46.25 | ZooR | Anyway... the dmesg | grep eth showed me this message "eth0 NatSemi DP83815 at 0xblablabla *MACAdress here*, IRQ 11" |
| 19:46.26 | ZooR | ^^ |
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| 19:46.53 | SigmaX | hey; I'm having troubles with X on an old system w/ Woody. Same configuration works fine on a similar system, but not this one. |
| 19:46.57 | torbjorn | what is going on on a system when 1 of 2 cpu's does 97% irq work (in top)? |
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| 19:47.09 | drac | ZooR: your äåö works just fine. |
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| 19:47.18 | Blissex | torbjorn: trouble probably... |
| 19:47.25 | SigmaX | startx gives me: "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0" |
| 19:47.28 | torbjorn | what kind of trouble? |
| 19:47.30 | Blissex | torbjorn: how ancient is your kernel? |
| 19:47.38 | ZooR | drac: Not what I can see... not in the terminal window anyway |
| 19:47.42 | torbjorn | 2.4.27 |
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| 19:47.57 | torbjorn | it does run 2 SATA disks in software raid 1 |
| 19:47.58 | robl^ | any alpha users here who can help diagnose an issue with X and it not seeing the video card? |
| 19:47.59 | Blissex | SigmaX: swhich troubles? |
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| 19:48.18 | Blissex | toraton: SATA on 2.4.x is not quite perfect IIRC. |
| 19:48.22 | drac | ZooR: oh, perhaps you are using UTF-8. dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data.. but that's not your priority, is it? ;) |
| 19:48.27 | Blissex | torbjorn: SATA on 2.4.x is not quite perfect IIRC. |
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| 19:48.37 | SigmaX | Blissex: huh? |
| 19:48.39 | torbjorn | hm.. |
| 19:48.41 | torbjorn | ok |
| 19:48.50 | ZooR | drac: No... but I dont mind :D The main thing is to get internet working. |
| 19:48.57 | Blissex | torbjorn: but, how do you know it is IRQ time specifically. |
| 19:49.03 | torbjorn | i check it in top |
| 19:49.30 | Glitch_Master | I know this really isn't the place to ask, but would anyone know how to initiate Timidity's GUI? I know it has one, but most people don't use it... or don't know how... It has button images for a reason. |
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| 19:49.58 | Blissex | torbjorn: there is no IRQ time specifically singled out in 'top' |
| 19:50.00 | stego | Is it possible to get the .config for the kernel image on the installation media? |
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| 19:50.10 | Xaqueth | Toshiba Satellite 470CDT hangs when I get to "Real Time Clock Driver v1.12" on Debian Sarge with linux26. Could anyone help how to fix this? |
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| 19:50.14 | Glitch_Master | ...Maybe there's a separate executable somewhere in its directory... |
| 19:50.18 | Blissex | stego: sure, it is possible... |
| 19:50.18 | torbjorn | well this is a HT system, most of the time 1 of 4 cpus doing > 90% irq work |
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| 19:50.31 | orfeu | i whant to install mozilla-firefox from source but i whant to compile for i686 !? how i can use apt-get for that ? |
| 19:50.35 | torbjorn | the other 3 have iowait > 90% |
| 19:50.36 | stego | Blissex, are you going to tell me how? |
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| 19:50.40 | torbjorn | oh this is no debian system |
| 19:50.43 | Blissex | torbjorn: how to you know it is specifically IRQ work? |
| 19:50.51 | bucky | torbjorn, is it really a smp kernel? |
| 19:50.55 | torbjorn | yes |
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| 19:51.09 | Phated | And why, if it isn't a debian system...? |
| 19:51.13 | orfeu | i whant to install mozilla-firefox from source but i whant to compile for i686 !? how i can use apt-get for that ? |
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| 19:51.22 | Blissex | orfeu: 'man feta' |
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| 19:51.39 | torbjorn | irssi glitch, ill take my trouble elsewhere. |
| 19:51.44 | Blissex | orfeu: you are also supposed to wait 5 minutes at last between repeating requestes... |
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| 19:51.57 | orfeu | Blissex oky |
| 19:51.59 | Blissex | torbjorn: move to #linuxhelp |
| 19:52.03 | Sep1 | is it possible to change the email address the default user www-data sends email FROM: ? |
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| 19:52.19 | torbjorn | right, thanks |
| 19:52.20 | Blissex | Sep1: sure. |
| 19:52.20 | Sep1 | how ? |
| 19:52.38 | Blissex | Sep1: depends on which program you use to send the email... |
| 19:52.42 | Sep1 | i have a program that automatically sends out mail ( using postfix ) and its always from www-data@etc |
| 19:52.46 | Sep1 | postfix |
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| 19:53.18 | Sep1 | or do you mean the actual application that is sending email |
| 19:53.24 | greycat | Sep1: either, or both. |
| 19:53.34 | ZooR | drac: No... but I dont mind :D The main thing is to get internet working. Allthough... I did all that. And my ö ä å still doesn't work :D |
| 19:53.36 | greycat | I'm guessing the application is some stupid PHP function, right? |
| 19:53.40 | Sep1 | the program is dotrpoject |
| 19:53.41 | Sep1 | yeah it is |
| 19:53.47 | Sep1 | it's a php/mysql program |
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| 19:53.51 | greycat | !win greycat |
| 19:53.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won the US presidency! |
| 19:54.02 | stego | How do I get the .config for the kernel image on the installation media? |
| 19:54.03 | Glitch_Master | Heh... I guess I shouldn't have asked about Timidity. :P\ |
| 19:54.05 | Glitch_Master | :P* |
| 19:54.06 | Sep1 | hehe, don't know if you'd want that job |
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| 19:54.10 | Glitch_Master | It's not important, anyway. |
| 19:54.13 | greycat | stego: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:54.19 | cahoot | ZooR: they work but don't get displayed properly on your screen |
| 19:54.26 | bucky | Glitch_Master, let me guess.. type timidity-gui in a shell |
| 19:54.32 | ZooR | cahoot: ahh |
| 19:54.43 | Sep1 | greycat so would i modify the setting in postfix or in the application sending the mail |
| 19:54.43 | Glitch_Master | bucky: Bad guess. |
| 19:54.51 | stego | greycat, genius. Thank you. Blissex, take note. |
| 19:55.04 | irvined | shit! i've just eradicated the wrong bloody partition table.... |
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| 19:55.37 | ZooR | DotHack: Did you get any wisedom from my earlier message about the "dmesg | grep eth" command? Any ideas? |
| 19:55.40 | Sep1 | which may or may not get the info from php.ini |
| 19:55.50 | bucky | Glitch_Master, do you have timidity-interfaces-extra installed ? |
| 19:55.56 | qpee | hi i use a usb-hub to which i have connected a usb-stick. lsusb tells me: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0ea0:2168 Ours Technology, Inc. Transcend JetFlash 2.0; how tdo i know how to mount it? i mean which device it is under /dev? |
| 19:56.08 | Glitch_Master | bucky: No. |
| 19:56.10 | bucky | Glitch_Master, do you know how to use apt-cache search ? |
| 19:56.20 | bucky | or apt-cache show |
| 19:56.22 | SilentBob | How many of the discs do I need to do a simple base install with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:56.25 | SilentBob | Not doing a net install. |
| 19:56.26 | dvs | qpee: Look in your /var/log/messages file |
| 19:56.28 | Glitch_Master | bucky: installing. |
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| 19:56.44 | SilentBob | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ |
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| 19:56.49 | SilentBob | Just that first disc? |
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| 19:57.11 | qpee | dvs: Feb 8 22:00:32 tan kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:04.2-1.2, assigned address 5 |
| 19:57.16 | [Granger] | SilentBob: why are you using a Swedish mirror? |
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| 19:57.26 | dvs | qpee: There has to be more than that. |
| 19:57.26 | qpee | dvs: loks nice, but still i can't really do anything with it |
| 19:57.38 | SilentBob | [Granger], That's the one on the link from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:57.39 | Glitch_Master | bucky: While it is now installed, the command timidity-gui still does not exist. |
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| 19:57.46 | SilentBob | [Granger], I won't download from that mirror. |
| 19:57.50 | SilentBob | This is just an example... |
| 19:57.56 | SilentBob | So I know I only need the first disc. |
| 19:57.59 | SilentBob | Do I? |
| 19:58.01 | qpee | dvs: the manufacturer and the serial number of that device, not more. |
| 19:58.14 | bucky | Glitch_Master, dpkg -L timidity-interfaces-extra and find out what the exec is |
| 19:58.24 | Sep1 | ; For Win32 only. |
| 19:58.24 | Sep1 | sendmail_from = me@localhost.com |
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| 19:59.38 | dvs | qpee: Is the usb_storage module loaded |
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| 20:00.06 | bucky | is there a way to list the files in a package that is not downloaded onto your hard drive? |
| 20:00.19 | Knight_Lord | Is there a problem with MSN? I can't connect |
| 20:00.20 | Glitch_Master | bucky: is the extension .so an executable script? I'm not certain. |
| 20:00.21 | _SerhaT_ | bucky> there was a site.. |
| 20:00.22 | vulture | bucky: apt-file list |
| 20:00.25 | _SerhaT_ | Knight_Lord> yup.. |
| 20:00.26 | _SerhaT_ | :( |
| 20:00.27 | vulture | bucky: or packages.debian.org |
| 20:00.31 | bucky | tnx |
| 20:00.40 | Glitch_Master | I'm new to any form of Linux. :P |
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| 20:01.22 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: .so ~ a windows dll ~ a dynamically linked binary |
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| 20:01.44 | Glitch_Master | valdyn: Ah. Resource files. |
| 20:01.55 | Glitch_Master | As I suspected. |
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| 20:02.11 | Glitch_Master | I'm not seeing anything executable, though that doesn't usually have an extension... |
| 20:02.17 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: resource? doubt it |
| 20:02.37 | flart | Glitch_Master: executables don't need an extension to be executable under linux :) |
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| 20:02.50 | flart | Glitch_Master: just an executable flag |
| 20:02.54 | bucky | Glitch_Master, fire up apache and navigate to http://localhost/doc/ and read about timidity |
| 20:02.57 | Glitch_Master | flarl: I know. That's why I said "that doesn't usually have an extension" |
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| 20:03.16 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: .so is program code that is linked to the executable binary during runtime |
| 20:03.30 | Glitch_Master | valdyn: Ah... Nifty. What does this accomplish? |
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| 20:03.33 | Phated | ls --colors=aLways. Green are executable. :) |
| 20:03.37 | flart | ok |
| 20:03.45 | Phated | Eh, always. :| |
| 20:03.55 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: that the code is saved and loaded only once for an unlimited number of using programs |
| 20:04.19 | Glitch_Master | <random> Look at my nifty terminal! www.glitchworld.com/miscstuff/terminal1.png </random> |
| 20:04.26 | flart | or 'ls -l'... shows you the flags |
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| 20:05.04 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: type ldd /bin/ls |
| 20:05.06 | Glitch_Master | valdyn: Ohh... That makes sense. |
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| 20:06.26 | Glitch_Master | valdyn: Why? o.O |
| 20:06.47 | hans_ | Glitch_Maste: nice terminal |
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| 20:06.55 | t0ffel | I couldn't find it documented anywhere; is it possible to choose a 686 kernel at installation time? like "expert26-686" or something like that? |
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| 20:07.15 | Phated | Er, no. |
| 20:07.24 | ZooR | Ohh... I did it. I managed to get it right! Thanks so much to all of you :-))) |
| 20:08.12 | DotHack | ZooR: ok tehn sorry i was afk |
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| 20:08.19 | qpee | dvs: usb-uhci is, not usb_storage |
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| 20:08.49 | directhex | t0ffel, there's no need to. thoguh if you use a full cd rather than net-install cd, the installer will automatically select an appropriate kernel e.g. 686 for installation |
| 20:08.53 | Phated | usb-storage, fwiw. |
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| 20:09.25 | ZooR | DotHack: No problem. Just glad I finally succeeded =) |
| 20:09.28 | t0ffel | ok, thanks directhex |
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| 20:09.53 | DotHack | ZooR: and you have you keyboard working ;) |
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| 20:10.21 | ZooR | Yeah... almost. Not in terminal though. But I'll fix that and the sound tomorrow. I have to get ready for work. =) |
| 20:10.30 | ZooR | Rome wasn't built in a day ;-) |
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| 20:10.42 | dvs | qpee: You need usb_storage to use a USB hard drive |
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| 20:11.26 | Phated | dvs: s/_/-/ |
| 20:11.31 | qpee | dvs: it's built into the kernel, i just took a look |
| 20:11.53 | dvs | dvs: Hmmm |
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| 20:12.10 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:12.14 | nvz | thinking to yourself? |
| 20:12.22 | rockwilder | hi |
| 20:12.26 | nvz | hello |
| 20:13.24 | dvs | qpee: It makes no sense to have usb-storage built into the kernel and usb-uhci as a module |
| 20:13.31 | rockwilder | hmm does anyone speak german? i have som questions but my english is not very good ^^ |
| 20:13.39 | rockwilder | some |
| 20:13.40 | greycat | !de |
| 20:13.40 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 20:13.44 | nvz | rockwilder: /j #debian.de |
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| 20:14.06 | rockwilder | ok thx |
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| 20:14.16 | chugga | !msn |
| 20:14.16 | dpkg | i guess msn is an abreviation for Microsoft Network. A nasty place where either the incredibaly stupid, or incredibably rich like. apparently now being used to mean just the instant messenger service |
| 20:14.35 | chugga | oh. its not working |
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| 20:15.13 | Glitch_Master | Err... pardon the delay. |
| 20:15.19 | Phated | "Mindreaders, start your reading" |
| 20:15.21 | Glitch_Master | I'm not really concerned about the GUI. I don't need it that badly. |
| 20:15.35 | greycat | Phated: I'm.... getting a blank. |
| 20:15.43 | Glitch_Master | I'll be back later. |
| 20:15.50 | nvz | Phated: messages Phated's head and gives it a good reading |
| 20:15.53 | Phated | greycat: It's hard to read a mind when there isn't one. |
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| 20:16.08 | nvz | s#Phated:#/me# |
| 20:16.18 | nvz | :P |
| 20:16.22 | chugga | whos mind |
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| 20:16.34 | Phated | nvz: :) |
| 20:16.59 | Phated | Hm, odd deja vu sense coming on. He's about to call us idiots. |
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| 20:17.13 | nvz | heh |
| 20:17.37 | Phated | I dunno. I could swear I felt -something- for a bit there. Lost it now, though. |
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| 20:17.49 | qpee | dvs: i never said, i really know what i'm doing; i will unload usb-hci if required |
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| 20:18.34 | dvs | qpee: You need both of the modules but it makes more sense if they were both modules or they were both compiled into the kernel. |
| 20:18.49 | Phated | Doesn't matter, though, it should work either way. |
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| 20:19.10 | nvz | seems to me you are more likely to change other USB hw than the HCD itself |
| 20:19.11 | Sep1 | i have a php application that auto-sends email from www-data@... |
| 20:19.22 | sophacles | hi all. i seem to be having a problem with the apache2 package from testing. actually, its more of an apache problem. with the default setup, my logs keep filling up with list message: Tue Feb 08 14:39:31 2005] [notice] child pid 17205 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 20:19.28 | dvs | nvz: true |
| 20:19.28 | Sep1 | where do i change the default from: address the user www-datat uses ? |
| 20:19.30 | sophacles | is this the right place to ask for help? |
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| 20:19.39 | greycat | A problem with apache2. Oh how shocking. I am ever so surprised. |
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| 20:20.03 | strubbel | as #alsa is idle, i'd like to know if its possible to use sb live!s 2nd line out with alsa 1.0.7 ? |
| 20:20.09 | maimed | i could not find any deb packages for qtmame. it seems i will have to compile it from source, right? |
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| 20:20.32 | qpee | nvz: HCD means? |
| 20:20.34 | nvz | I normally on my custom kernels build in UHCI support, and Input (including usbkbd and usbmouse), Hid, and I make other things I may not always use like joystick, usb-storage as modules |
| 20:20.39 | sophacles | greycat are problems of this nature normal? |
| 20:20.41 | dvs | qpee: uhci |
| 20:20.49 | nvz | qpee: I believe its the Host Controller Device, its the USB Root Hub |
| 20:20.55 | strubbel | ehci ehci ehci :) |
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| 20:21.01 | dvs | nvz: That makes sense |
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| 20:21.16 | Phated | uhci foreva. |
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| 20:21.20 | Phated | And so on. |
| 20:21.32 | dvs | nvz: I have it all compiled as modules (ehci, uhci, usb-storage...) |
| 20:21.46 | tarzeau | peterS: can you check your mirrors md5sum please? |
| 20:22.23 | peterS | tarzeau: I checked it before but I'll check it again |
| 20:22.31 | nvz | for some reason I disable any kernel code I will never use, and anything I will use frequently I build in.. I like /etc/modules and modconf to look clean and simple :P |
| 20:22.33 | dkas | hi. I'm running kaffeine 0.5-rc2, a neat video player, 0.5-rc2 being the version from unstable. Is there a way to use it for watching DVB? |
| 20:22.42 | tarzeau | peterS: thank you |
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| 20:22.44 | qpee | nvz: ok, i memorize this for the future, but i guess there should be a way to figure out, how i can mount this usb-stick. i wasn't yet able to fugure this |
| 20:22.45 | jsbiff | Are there any mono debian packages? |
| 20:23.06 | jsbiff | I'm having difficulty locating any with aptitude and apt-cache |
| 20:23.08 | peterS | tarzeau: 3f0f4773633f0f576032badb35e1884a GNUSTEP-i386-0.9.4.iso |
| 20:23.19 | peterS | tarzeau: which is the same as the .md5.txt says |
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| 20:23.30 | tombs | does anybody knows if pcmcia Netgear WG511T works under linux? |
| 20:23.37 | dvs | qpee: You cannot with the way the kernel modules are compiled as it is. |
| 20:23.40 | tarzeau | peterS: perfect thank you |
| 20:23.49 | nvz | qpee: you need a HCD driver (UHCI, OHCI..etc) usb-storage, Generic Scsi support (sg) and scsi disk support (sd_mod) and it would show up as a scsi device |
| 20:24.11 | Blissex | tombs: ask in #wireless, and look at the /topic of that channel... |
| 20:24.14 | qpee | nvz: all as modules, or all built into the kernel? |
| 20:24.14 | tarzeau | peterS: i'm working on a bugfix release with some improvements, should be ready by a week. |
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| 20:24.24 | peterS | tarzeau: ah, ok |
| 20:24.27 | Phated | You know, all I've needed are usbcore, usb-storage, and usb-uhci. |
| 20:24.29 | nvz | qpee: just all loaded in kernel space, either compiled in or loaded as modules |
| 20:24.38 | dvs | qpee: One or the other, not a mixture of both (at least not the way you currently have it) |
| 20:24.46 | Phated | dvs: A mixture is fine. |
| 20:24.47 | nvz | Phated: does usb-storage load the scsi counterparts? |
| 20:24.49 | peterS | Phated: well, usb-storage isn't much use without sd_mod |
| 20:24.52 | qpee | dvs, nvz: thanks, i'll accomplish that |
| 20:24.54 | nvz | maybe they arent required *shrug* |
| 20:24.56 | peterS | nvz: it loads the scsi core, but not sd_mod |
| 20:25.01 | Phated | nvz: Don't think so. |
| 20:25.06 | chugga | greycat, any suggestions on how to fix a win XP network |
| 20:25.09 | nvz | I dont load many usb-storage devices |
| 20:25.09 | dvs | Phated: usb-storage in the kernel and uhci as a module? |
| 20:25.19 | bob2 | chugga: unplug it |
| 20:25.23 | Phated | peterS: I don't have sd_mod loaded, nor scsi_whatever. |
| 20:25.30 | qpee | hmm, i'm confused now by Phated's comment :) |
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| 20:25.46 | peterS | Phated: not sure how you'd use a usb-storage device, then. unless you've got some of that stuff compiled *into* your kernel |
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| 20:26.00 | BBearr | Hello |
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| 20:26.09 | eeyore- | tombs: what chip is it based on? |
| 20:26.12 | nuOpus | hello |
| 20:26.18 | nvz | well Phated could be right, that usb-storage has some kind of psuedo-scsi emulation.. but I doubt that they would not just reuse the scsi code already in the kernel. |
| 20:26.22 | Phated | peterS: This is a bf24 kernel. <shrug> Maybe it is compiled in. But I do know that when I compile my own kernel, I leave out SCSI stuff and it works fine. :) |
| 20:26.37 | nvz | she might be using a prehistoric kernel with patches from the 21st century or something :P |
| 20:26.40 | nuOpus | Hey does anyone know how to make firefox use the current gnome icon theme instead of the "firefox" theme? |
| 20:26.41 | peterS | Phated: oh, yeah. 2.4.18-bf2.4 does compile in sd_mod and the scsi core |
| 20:26.41 | tombs | eeyore- : I'm not sure, but I thing is Atheros |
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| 20:26.53 | Phated | peterS: Ah, I see. |
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| 20:27.01 | nuOpus | Example ... in Ubuntu the FireFox icons are whatever icon theme is used for gnome |
| 20:27.14 | Phated | nvz: Just haven't gotten around to compiling a 2.6.8 yet. New and unfamiliar hardware. |
| 20:27.24 | Knight_Lord | Anyone suggests a good function minimization library? |
| 20:27.35 | Phated | Speaking of, which module ought I to use for a VLSI Technology Inc QSound ThunderBird PCI card? |
| 20:27.37 | eeyore- | tombs: if it's atheros, it might work with madwifi project. check. |
| 20:27.42 | nvz | Phated: well thats a good thing, cause 2.6.10 is out now, and 2.6.11 will probably be soon :P |
| 20:27.46 | Phated | nvz: Hehe. |
| 20:27.49 | nvz | Phated: I use 2.4.29 here |
| 20:27.51 | BBearr | I'm getting an error trying to update/upgrade sarge; the error's in inn2, 'unable to resolv host in inn.conf' I can't find inn.conf Can someone tell me what directory it's in? |
| 20:27.55 | Phated | nvz: Heh. |
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| 20:28.06 | PerfDave | BBearr: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:28.12 | tombs | eeyore- : and if is not, do I have to use ndiswrapper? |
| 20:28.20 | eeyore- | tombs: that's the idea |
| 20:28.44 | Lee__ | would anyone have advice for a way to do search + replace for text in a file from a shell script? |
| 20:28.45 | tombs | eeyore- : thanx a lot! |
| 20:28.46 | chugga | tombs, its the way |
| 20:28.51 | eeyore- | tombs: madwifi.sourceforge.net |
| 20:28.58 | bob2 | nuOpus: works like that in ubuntu, apparently it's a bug |
| 20:29.07 | stew | Lee__: perl -pi -e "s/from/to/g" filename |
| 20:29.07 | qpee | wonderfull, i end up compliling a new kernel. thanks for the comments people! |
| 20:29.13 | nuOpus | bob2: I like that bug! lol |
| 20:29.18 | qpee | and bye for now |
| 20:29.25 | Lee__ | stew: thanks. I thought there might be a Perl one liner :) |
| 20:29.28 | nvz | Phated: when 2.6 came out I compiled like the first few releases, it was cool. The code had a clean new look and feel to it.. but most the books I have that are for beginners are for 2.4, and 2.4 is more mature, so its what I am using for now, hopefully I will get a good handle on it. Then I should be able to move to 2.6 and learn the differences easier |
| 20:29.44 | dvs | qpee: hye |
| 20:29.47 | nuOpus | bob2: Actually looks good with xfce4.2 and the rodent icon theme ... it looks like it "blends" in |
| 20:29.48 | dvs | qpee: bye |
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| 20:29.57 | qpee | dvs: bye |
| 20:30.23 | dvs | nvz: Have you found a 2.6 kernel book? |
| 20:30.53 | Phated | nvz: That goes beyond my expertise. I've usually stuck with whatever's semi-recent. Cleanness of code notwithstanding. :) |
| 20:30.58 | nvz | dvs: I havent looked to hard, I havent even been to the local public library yet, I picked up some stuff at the local B&N |
| 20:31.08 | eeyore- | forgot how slow the celerons were. memtest86'ing 512MB of memory is taking me 1:20 wall-clock time, 1GHz celeron |
| 20:31.15 | Albacker | guys, I configured kppp so that I could connect in the internet using it [I added noauth at the /etc/ppp/options file]. . when I type an address at the address bar it sais unknown host. the same thing when I try to ping. when I connect using wvdial and pon it says resolving host but nothing happens. Any idea about this? |
| 20:31.19 | hid3 | hello everyone.. I run a dns server (bind9) on my machine, but, however it can resolve only that names which are in its database.. Is it possible to set up bind to forward the request to another dns server if there're no such zone in its own database? |
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| 20:31.39 | nvz | Phated: well my main interest in this stuff is the linux kernel, I'd like to be hacking it and making cool new embedded technologies someday |
| 20:31.45 | Phated | nvz: Cool. |
| 20:31.56 | eeyore- | hid3: of course. that's typical. |
| 20:32.01 | sussudio | in soviet russia, kernel hacks you |
| 20:32.42 | eeyore- | hid3: you can either use "forwarders { ... }" to forward requests to your ISP's dns, or you can open up port 53 for direct querying |
| 20:33.00 | hid3 | thanks |
| 20:33.00 | nvz | Phated: trying to understand how it works, and the new one is just too much to swallow, I have read the 1.x source alot.. I am moving along to 2.x :P |
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| 20:33.21 | Einzelganger | Is there a syntax for the control file of a package, such that it provides a specific version of another package. In such a way, that my own package provides "foo 1.0", and that a dependencie of "foo (>= 1.0)" is satisfied ? |
| 20:33.31 | eeyore- | hid3: might need to use query-source directive |
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| 20:33.36 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 20:33.46 | Lee__ | hid3: I recommend djbdns and direct quering. Just set up a system. extremely simple. |
| 20:33.47 | eeyore- | Einzelganger: "equiv" |
| 20:33.48 | Phated | nvz: Scary. But cool. :) |
| 20:34.00 | Blissex | eeyore-: ask in #debian-devel, more suitable |
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| 20:34.27 | bob2 | Einzelganger: no |
| 20:34.35 | bob2 | dpkg doesn't support versioned Provides |
| 20:34.36 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, bob2 |
| 20:34.44 | bob2 | dpkg, thanks |
| 20:34.44 | dpkg | no worries, bob2 |
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| 20:34.52 | Einzelganger | eeyore-, I would prefer this provide to be incorporated in my own build of the package, not have all kind of unreal packages around |
| 20:34.55 | Komodox | hello |
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| 20:36.17 | eternite | Komodox: hi |
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| 20:36.23 | Komodox | Quic question to anyone out there... I just installed Sarge and I tried to ssh into it from another machine as a "user" (not root)... I get the password prompt... after typing pass in I get "access denied" Any ideas what's up ??? |
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| 20:36.38 | Einzelganger | bob2, so the only solution "clean" solution would be making equivs-packages which the packages I want to provide and the correction version number, and have these packages depend on my own-build package ? |
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| 20:36.57 | Blissex | Komodox: which user are you truing to log in as? |
| 20:37.02 | njan | Komodox, I'd suggest you'd got the wrong machine, wrong password, wrong username, etc.. remote ssh as a regular user should 'just work' if ssh is enabled |
| 20:37.03 | stew | Komodox: try ssh -v and see if it gives you any clues |
| 20:37.03 | Komodox | myself |
| 20:37.07 | Komodox | as mu=yself |
| 20:37.12 | njan | Komodox, depending upon how exactly your user is setup |
| 20:37.24 | Komodox | how about root |
| 20:37.27 | bob2 | Einzelganger: or come up with a less convoluted dependency tree |
| 20:37.29 | bob2 | but "yes" |
| 20:37.35 | Blissex | Komodox: check the logs on the target machine... |
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| 20:37.46 | Komodox | should I be able to log in as root ? |
| 20:37.46 | njan | Komodox, root shouldn't work beacuse remote root login is the first thing you should've disabled when you installed ssh :p |
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| 20:37.53 | Komodox | hehe |
| 20:37.54 | F4r3nh3iT | Buenas |
| 20:37.56 | Blissex | Komodox: 'root' not by default |
| 20:38.06 | njan | Blissex, afaik root is by default in sarge |
| 20:38.07 | Komodox | I can ssh from localhost |
| 20:38.08 | Blissex | Komodox: 'man sshd_config' IIRC |
| 20:38.15 | Komodox | I did man |
| 20:38.32 | F4r3nh3iT | alguien me ayuda ? .. e instalado debian i ahora en el lilo no me deja entrar a windows....... k puedo hacer ....... debo modificar el lilo.conf ?? thx |
| 20:38.33 | Komodox | everything looks good... from what I can see |
| 20:38.37 | Einzelganger | bob2, well, I want to build gtk-sharp myself, in a simple way into one package, but debian splits it all in those different *-cil packages, on which other package depend on minimum versions |
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| 20:38.54 | Blissex | Komodox: if you can SSH from 'localhost' and when not from 'localhost' it fails authentication thats weird. |
| 20:38.58 | bob2 | Einzelganger: yes, for good reason |
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| 20:39.07 | Blissex | Komodox: check the target machine logs for info. |
| 20:39.21 | Komodox | which log in particular ? |
| 20:39.30 | t0ffel | if I try the full cd install, how many of the discs do I actually need to get the system up and running? |
| 20:39.31 | njan | Komodox, have you made any other modifications to sshd_config? |
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| 20:39.37 | bob2 | t0ffel: one |
| 20:39.37 | Komodox | nope |
| 20:39.41 | njan | t0ffel, 1 |
| 20:39.46 | Blissex | Komodox: well, 'syslog'/'messages' and 'daemon.log' if you got them... |
| 20:39.51 | Komodox | yup |
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| 20:39.54 | Komodox | got them |
| 20:39.56 | Komodox | one sec |
| 20:40.01 | stew | Komodox: auth.log |
| 20:40.01 | maimed | eth0: Conexant LANfinity rev 8 at 00011400, 00:50:8B:AA:22:66, IRQ 11 is my laptop's built in network interface. Its performance is very poor compared to ANY pcmcia nic i attach to my laptop. Is there a way to improve/fine tune the perfromance of the Conexant Lanfinity? |
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| 20:40.27 | t0ffel | ok, thanks :) |
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| 20:42.58 | Komodox | hmmm...nothing in the logs |
| 20:43.11 | chugga | komo, you are wrong. theres plenty in logarithms |
| 20:43.22 | basti | hallo, what was the command for reconfigure x? |
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| 20:44.09 | equnix | hi all, ive configured my internet sharing yesterday and my computer now should work as a router now but theres still some problems... internet doesnt work on the computer im sharing to |
| 20:44.13 | Komodox | eb 8 15:25:03 localhost sshd[2787]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. |
| 20:44.13 | Komodox | Feb 8 15:26:31 localhost sshd[2794]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for root from 127.0.0.1 port 32938 ssh2 |
| 20:44.13 | Komodox | Feb 8 15:26:31 localhost sshd[2798]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by root(uid=0) |
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| 20:44.37 | Komodox | that's from auth.log |
| 20:44.38 | strubbel | basti: vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 20:44.51 | bob2 | basti: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:45.29 | basti | bob2: thanks i think that's what im looking for :) |
| 20:45.32 | luother | hi, anyone any idea why my debian server only transfers (in both directions) only with 300kb/sec? tried sync and async and the nfsversion 3... |
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| 20:45.58 | equnix | ive configured my internet sharing yesterday and my computer now should work as a router but internet still doesnt work on the computer im sharing to |
| 20:46.43 | Komodox | could it be the issue with "hosts.allow" ? |
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| 20:49.21 | Sep1 | User/Group www-data(33)/33 <--- that's my default group for php |
| 20:49.44 | Sep1 | is it possible that if PHP sends an email i change what its coming from ? |
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| 20:49.53 | bob2 | of course |
| 20:49.56 | bob2 | fix your php code |
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| 20:50.27 | greycat | you must understand *both* the PHP client code *and* the MTA to figure out how to munge your sender addresses. |
| 20:50.45 | equnix | ive configured my internet sharing yesterday and my computer now should work as a router but internet still doesnt work on the computer im sharing to, what configurations should the reciving computer have set? |
| 20:50.52 | bob2 | well, most MA's by default let you munge it |
| 20:50.53 | greycat | (or, in some cases, just understanding the MTA may be sufficient, and you can let the PHP client continue being blissfully ignorant of everything) |
| 20:50.56 | bob2 | at least ime |
| 20:50.57 | BBearr | What's a good (any) domain to use to setup internet news in inn2? Any suggestions? |
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| 20:51.07 | bob2 | BBearr: your isp's |
| 20:51.11 | bucko | can somebody help me with Xserver please |
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| 20:51.28 | kombi | what means: "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block"? |
| 20:51.32 | Sep1 | the PHP client is an app called dotproject, the mta is postfix |
| 20:51.33 | sunai | My debian box has an internal and external interface. A machine connected to internal eth0 should now also be visible as an external computer. Am I correct that MASQing works only on outbound connections? |
| 20:51.39 | BBearr | Thanks |
| 20:51.42 | bob2 | kombi: you built your kernel wrong |
| 20:51.45 | bob2 | kombi: use a Debian one |
| 20:51.48 | Blissex | sunai: yes. |
| 20:51.59 | kombi | bob2: I did.. |
| 20:52.03 | bob2 | sunai: you don't use MASQ with real ips |
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| 20:52.12 | bob2 | kombi: then configure it to use the initrd properly |
| 20:52.18 | bob2 | kombi: in sarge this all works by default |
| 20:52.29 | sunai | bob2: I can't follow; why not? |
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| 20:52.44 | kombi | bob2: sure does, but I need everything of iptables |
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| 20:53.06 | bob2 | kombi: well, that's lovely, but not a reason to use your oen kernel |
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| 20:53.12 | bob2 | hint: the Debian kernels include everything as a module |
| 20:53.22 | kombi | is it not? |
| 20:53.22 | bob2 | sunai: ? it masks the internal ip completely |
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| 20:53.32 | bob2 | you could use SNAT or something, but that's stupid |
| 20:53.36 | equnix | ive configured my internet sharing yesterday and my computer now should work as a router but internet still doesnt work on the computer im sharing to, what configurations should the reciving computer have set? |
| 20:53.37 | bob2 | just route your ips |
| 20:53.40 | kombi | bob2: thx! |
| 20:53.41 | Albacker | does debian woody has the kernel source? |
| 20:53.46 | bob2 | equnix: you need to keep asking over and over |
| 20:53.57 | equnix | bob2, thats what im doing |
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| 20:54.08 | kombi | bob2: I'll still try to roll one out of curiousity.. |
| 20:54.13 | bob2 | equnix: sorry, obviously my sarcasm wasn't clear enough |
| 20:54.22 | Albacker | guys does debian woody has the kernel source ? |
| 20:54.25 | equnix | bob2, do you know any other channels to go into and ask |
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| 20:54.28 | bob2 | kombi: it means you didn't bulid the root filesystem driver or your ide/scsi controller driver into the kernel |
| 20:54.35 | sunai | bob2: Just to get this right: Currently, all 192.168.1.x traffic gets masqed to its own IP - thats wrong? |
| 20:54.35 | dvs | Albacker: sure |
| 20:54.39 | equnix | bob2, oh, sry ... im not that funny today :( |
| 20:54.42 | bob2 | equnix: ask on the debian-user list, but you'll need to provide a ton more information |
| 20:54.53 | Albacker | dvs ? can you help me to get it from the Cds ? |
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| 20:55.05 | kombi | bob2: thx, I'll try and fix that in make config not |
| 20:55.06 | dvs | Albacker: Do you have all the CDs? |
| 20:55.10 | Albacker | what should I apt-get install ? |
| 20:55.10 | bob2 | sunai: " machine connected to internal eth0 should now also be visible as an external computer.", that sounds like you want to give it a real ip |
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| 20:55.29 | dvs | Albacker: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r) |
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| 20:56.10 | ReD_ | Im trying to use the MX command in debian, when i use "mx bredband.net" i get "mailgw.bredband.net" but it needs to be "smtp.bredband.net" i have googled, read everywhere i can but nothing helps :( I dont have a "named" file and cant find any file that has the mailgw.bredband.net info in it, plz help? |
| 20:56.17 | sunai | bob2: that was solution #1, but there are certain services running on the debian box that are only accessible to the private network (bind9 for example) |
| 20:56.23 | bucko | my Xserver will not start, I got message "process set to nice value of 0 instead of -10 as requested", what to do? display refuse to work |
| 20:56.29 | bob2 | ReD_: talk to whoever manages the DNS For bredband.net |
| 20:56.30 | Blastur | hey! anyone know how I can get more fonts working in gnuplot? i basically did apt-get install gnuplot, and it says it can't find standard fonts like Arial etc... where can I get those? and where do I put them so gnuplot finds them? |
| 20:56.36 | Albacker | dvs : so where can I find the kernel source after apt-get install -ing it ? |
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| 20:56.37 | bob2 | bucko: that doesn't matter, ignore it |
| 20:56.43 | toubsu | is there a Debian LiveCD? |
| 20:56.53 | ReD_ | bob2: cant i just change that mailgw.bredband.net to smtp.bredband.net ? |
| 20:56.54 | dvs | Albacker: /usr/src you'll probably have to untar it |
| 20:56.55 | bob2 | sunai: so firewall it or make them only listen on one interface |
| 20:56.57 | bucko | bob2: how to start then? |
| 20:57.02 | bob2 | ReD_: yes, you change it in the DNS |
| 20:57.04 | stew | toubsu: no |
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| 20:57.08 | Albacker | ok thanks dvs |
| 20:57.14 | dvs | Albacker: np |
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| 20:57.58 | smcavoy | toubsu: many of the popular live cds are based on linux.... i.e. knoppix |
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| 20:58.32 | js_ | how can i add a users to an extra group without specifying every group as with usermod -G |
| 20:58.36 | ReD_ | bob2: I dont have a dns server installed |
| 20:58.41 | bob2 | ReD_: indeed |
| 20:58.45 | bob2 | ReD_: 06:56:30 bob2 | ReD_: talk to whoever manages the DNS For bredband.net |
| 20:58.51 | bob2 | which part of that was confusing? |
| 20:59.03 | bob2 | (seriously) |
| 20:59.09 | bob2 | you can't fix other people's dns |
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| 20:59.18 | bob2 | you can hack around it, but that doesn't sound like a good idea for you |
| 20:59.19 | hmmhesays | not in a normal situation anyway |
| 20:59.21 | war- | Any network gurus around? I have a GigE network on all Intel PRO/1000 nics, on one machine, it gets an assload of RX errors/drops/overruns, it is only the GigE nic on this one machine, look at this text/screenshot -> http://rafb.net/paste/results/QYdXRl32.html - any idea what would be causing this? |
| 20:59.47 | abrotman | war-: looks perfectly normal ... |
| 20:59.50 | equnix | yesterday i configurated some information in the "sysctl.conf" by entering the line "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1", someone said that would make my computer able to share my internet to my friends computer but the problem is, it isnt shared |
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| 21:00.02 | ReD_ | it was confusing because its my computer who tries to contact "mailgw.bredband.net" but my isp uses smtp.bredband.net, why sould they have anything to do with my server? |
| 21:00.07 | bob2 | equnix: they were confused |
| 21:00.10 | sunai | bob2: those services are only listening on one interface (internal), which hooks up my laptop to my debian server. When browsing the net, I'd like my laptop to have it's own IP, not the Debian boxes (currently it's simply MASQed out) |
| 21:00.11 | bob2 | ReD_: lord |
| 21:00.18 | equnix | bob2, who? |
| 21:00.20 | bob2 | ReD_: incoming mail servers are not the same as outgoing ones |
| 21:00.25 | bob2 | equnix: whoever told you that |
| 21:00.29 | ReD_ | bob2: i just want a outgoing |
| 21:00.34 | bob2 | ReD_: configure your mail program to use smtp.blah |
| 21:00.35 | equnix | bob2, oh, whats wrong then? |
| 21:00.48 | bob2 | equnix: you need to install the 'ipmasq' package |
| 21:01.11 | bucko | bob2: how to start then Xserver, other message is "using default mode - insufficient memory for mode" how to fix this? |
| 21:01.22 | fedde | Hello again, after upgrading Sarge to 2.6.8, getty won't work because it can't access the /dev/tty# devices ("No such file or directory" |
| 21:01.23 | fedde | ) |
| 21:01.26 | bob2 | bucko: that's a warning, not an error |
| 21:01.27 | tobo | i have this problem, on my server and two clients i've mounted rpc_pipefs, when starting rpc.idmapd on the clients i get "rpc.idmapd: fcntl(/var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs/nfs): Invalid argument" but not on the server. I strace'd both the mount commands and rpc.idmapd commands, mont doesn't differ. idmapd only when comming to fctnl(/var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs)... Any ideas guys? |
| 21:01.53 | bucko | bob2: i am very new in linux, I type startx and then it will not start |
| 21:01.53 | Phated | bucko: You need to find the error. Read the log and look for a line starting with (EE). |
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| 21:02.15 | fedde | how do i add those devices? i'm using devfs and it's successfully mounted at startup |
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| 21:02.22 | bob2 | bucko: well, that's a shame, Debian is probably not a good one to start with |
| 21:02.24 | danm85 | hola sala |
| 21:02.25 | johnix_ | hello |
| 21:02.36 | danm85 | how are you? |
| 21:02.36 | bucko | Phated: how to open configuration file |
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| 21:02.42 | dvs | fedde: There is a MAKEDEV executable in the /dev directory |
| 21:02.52 | nicholas | What is the correct way with a 2.6 udev kernel to create /dev/mga_vid at boot time? I know the major/minor that I want. |
| 21:02.53 | bob2 | MAKEDEV doesn't help if you use devfs |
| 21:02.58 | bob2 | fedde: install devfsd |
| 21:03.03 | dvs | bob2: Oops. Never knew that. |
| 21:03.05 | bob2 | or, better still, don't use devfs at all |
| 21:03.09 | reNegad3 | ReD_, you are confusing yourself lol, if you do a #dig bredband.net mx it shows that the the host name as mailgw.bredband.net for the mail server, unless you are hosting the dns on your server you wont be able to change it |
| 21:03.33 | fedde | bob2, i come from a gentoo environment, which recommends installing devfs. is it safe to remove it from the kernel? |
| 21:03.33 | ReD_ | reNegad3: ok |
| 21:03.36 | dvs | fedde: Yeah, don't use devfs. Use either udev or the directory entries |
| 21:03.45 | bob2 | fedde: if you want to build your own kernel, yeah |
| 21:03.52 | fedde | ok, thanks |
| 21:03.55 | greycat | devfs is Severely deprecated. |
| 21:04.02 | johnix_ | I need help writing a DVD+R |
| 21:04.08 | bob2 | and replaced with one of udev's favourite tools, udev. |
| 21:04.25 | fedde | is udev something i need to add in my kernel config? |
| 21:04.31 | bob2 | no |
| 21:04.42 | bob2 | that's kinda funny if gentoo is really using devfs on 2.6 |
| 21:04.42 | dvs | fedde: There is a kernel component to udev |
| 21:04.48 | johnix_ | cdrecord says : Found DVD+ media but DVD+R/DVD+RW support code is missing. |
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| 21:05.14 | johnix_ | and then : Unspecified command not implemented for this drive. |
| 21:05.16 | greycat | clear enough. |
| 21:05.29 | fedde | ok, so i just remove devfs and then it ought to work? |
| 21:05.39 | fedde | after the recompile/reboot ofcourse |
| 21:05.41 | bob2 | johnix_: doesn't that sound like cdrecord is saying it doesn't support dvds? |
| 21:05.53 | dvs | fedde: It should |
| 21:05.57 | fedde | ok, thanks |
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| 21:06.13 | fedde | just making sure; compiling takes ages on a p120 |
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| 21:06.20 | bob2 | er |
| 21:06.26 | bob2 | compiling is a huge waste of time |
| 21:06.31 | bob2 | reboot with the devfs=nomount option |
| 21:06.35 | johnix_ | bob2, that's fine, only I didn't find any documentation on this issue |
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| 21:06.40 | ChrisW | what controls when a daemon starts in debian? |
| 21:06.51 | bob2 | ChrisW: sysv init like every other unix since 1943 |
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| 21:06.56 | fedde | ah, thanks for that bob2 |
| 21:06.57 | bob2 | ls /etc/rc2.d/S* |
| 21:07.12 | ChrisW | I have a daemon running (there's something for it in /etc/init.d), I want to stop it, and stop it ever starting again |
| 21:07.18 | ChrisW | what's the correct way to do it? |
| 21:07.32 | abrotman | thomas_adam: ping! |
| 21:07.38 | bob2 | rm /etc/rc2.d/S*blah |
| 21:07.43 | dvs | ChrisW: update-rc.d |
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| 21:07.44 | reNegad3 | /etc/rc.d/init.d/blah stop |
| 21:07.55 | ChrisW | it exists in /etc/rc3.d/ and a few other places "like that" |
| 21:07.56 | dvs | reNegad3: That won't stop it for good. |
| 21:07.58 | greycat | ChrisW: remove the PACKAGE that it's a PART OF. |
| 21:08.01 | reNegad3 | ahh k |
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| 21:08.09 | ChrisW | greycat: I suspect it was hand installed :-S |
| 21:08.31 | greycat | ChrisW: man rm |
| 21:08.42 | ReD_ | ok |
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| 21:09.32 | ChrisW | dvs/bob2 those both sound like what I'm after |
| 21:09.42 | ChrisW | bob2: your method seems somewhat, urm, brutal ;-) |
| 21:09.49 | Phated | Yet effective. |
| 21:09.52 | dvs | brute force rules! |
| 21:09.53 | ChrisW | is there a utility that does all that more carefully? |
| 21:10.00 | dvs | ChrisW: update-rc.d |
| 21:10.06 | Phated | How careful do you have to be? rm the right thing. :/ |
| 21:10.23 | stew | how is that not careful? |
| 21:10.29 | hmmhesays | shaving your balls careful? or shaving your face careful |
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| 21:10.43 | ChrisW | update-rc.d summary remove |
| 21:10.43 | ChrisW | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/summary exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 21:10.49 | ChrisW | what does that mean? |
| 21:11.00 | FieldySnuts | badgers |
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| 21:11.12 | greycat | it means someone gave you crappy advice. Just rm(1) them by hand. |
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| 21:11.36 | dvs | ChrisW: It doesn't have permission to remove /etc/init.d/summary? |
| 21:11.41 | stew | !plain english |
| 21:11.41 | dpkg | Just read the fucking error, it's in plain english! |
| 21:11.42 | cthulfuego | ChrisW: It means update-rc.d needs the -f option. |
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| 21:12.00 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Pong. |
| 21:12.12 | cthulfuego | Eww, thomas_adam smells bad. |
| 21:12.16 | abrotman | thomas_adam: remember the link i gave for boston creme pie? |
| 21:12.25 | thomas_adam | abrotman: I believe so. :) |
| 21:12.37 | penta | does anybody use the swatch if so could somebody explain what does this do throttle threshold=5,delay=0:2:0,key=pure ??? |
| 21:12.44 | abrotman | thomas_adam: phated is going to try :) |
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| 21:12.49 | thomas_adam | Mmmmmm. |
| 21:12.56 | thomas_adam | I will get round to making it. |
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| 21:13.02 | ChrisW | done, thanks :-) |
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| 21:13.29 | JRWR | is a TI PCMCIA contollers a intel comatibel or what |
| 21:13.43 | abrotman | thomas_adam: didn't you make it once already? |
| 21:13.50 | JRWR | <== installing debian "woody" |
| 21:13.51 | cthulfuego | JRWR: Whatever yenta_socket supports, it supports TI too. |
| 21:14.04 | thomas_adam | abrotman: s/\.$/again/ :P |
| 21:14.05 | jcurry | anyone use the tomcat4 package? /etc/init.d/tomcat4 start gives me a su auth prompt, and then quickly times out...any ideas? |
| 21:14.08 | Stew2 | Is there a command or way to take a hard disk that is already mounted as a folder and add another hard disk to it? I work for a non-profit, we have a 15 gig mounted in /home/files. I want to add another 15 gig. |
| 21:14.09 | JRWR | ok so i would pick Intel |
| 21:14.10 | abrotman | thomas_adam: heh |
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| 21:14.44 | JRWR | or tcic |
| 21:14.49 | cthulfuego | Stew2: lvm can do that, but you'd need to reformat both so the lvm system would recognise them. |
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| 21:15.02 | Stew2 | K |
| 21:15.22 | FieldySnuts | badgers |
| 21:15.35 | cthulfuego | Stew2: And then you can just keep adding drives ad nauseam. |
| 21:15.36 | JRWR | cthulfuego| would i pick intel then? |
| 21:15.58 | JRWR | cthulfuego| ot tcic |
| 21:16.02 | JRWR | or* |
| 21:16.05 | cthulfuego | JRWR: You pick whatever you need for your controller. If one doesn't work, try the other. |
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| 21:16.12 | JRWR | ... |
| 21:16.22 | JRWR | ill pick intel.... |
| 21:16.25 | Stew2 | cthulfuego Do I want to run Aptitude and install clvm? |
| 21:16.42 | RedPenguin | Where are connection refusials logged? |
| 21:16.58 | RedPenguin | My apache server is refusing all WAN connections so I am trying to figure out why |
| 21:17.08 | RedPenguin | It is DMZed by my router |
| 21:17.24 | cthulfuego | Stew2: There's lvm, lvm10 evms and possibly more different ones; I only know that much; I've never actualled used any of them. |
| 21:17.36 | Stew2 | RedPenguin Apache can be configured to only accept connections from the localhost, or subnet. |
| 21:17.36 | RedPenguin | If I use my DNS from my LAN, it works |
| 21:17.46 | RedPenguin | Hmm |
| 21:18.05 | cthulfuego | RedPenguin: Apache doesn't log refusals though. |
| 21:18.17 | cthulfuego | RedPenguin: Just cehck that it's not listening on just 127.0.0.1 |
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| 21:19.11 | Stew2 | cthulfuego Hey, there's a webmin-lvm module. Cool. I've already got webmin running. |
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| 21:19.34 | stew | thats sounds rather scary |
| 21:19.42 | RedPenguin | Listen is commented out |
| 21:19.44 | Stew2 | cthulfuego Huh? |
| 21:19.53 | cthulfuego | Stew2: You said a BAD word. |
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| 21:20.03 | Stew2 | cthulfuego webmin? |
| 21:20.05 | Cyanophytes | what filesystem do I specify for mounting a floppy? |
| 21:20.19 | cthulfuego | Cyanophytes: normally vfat (dos flopy) |
| 21:20.23 | uruboro | Stew2 people love webmin sooo much here, that are jealous of anybody just mentioning it... |
| 21:20.34 | cthulfuego | yaaargh |
| 21:20.46 | RedPenguin | Use BindAddress *? |
| 21:20.48 | Stew2 | uruboru Why, is it BAD when something is EASY in linux? |
| 21:20.50 | QQmelo | holas |
| 21:20.50 | RedPenguin | Or change Listen? |
| 21:20.52 | cthulfuego | RedPenguin: *nod* |
| 21:20.52 | stew | !webmin |
| 21:20.53 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 21:21.29 | Stew2 | I did NOTICE that webmin sets up a root account by default. |
| 21:21.34 | Stew2 | I'll be turning that off. |
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| 21:21.58 | uruboro | Stew2 i think people wouldnt hate webmin so much if it performed flawlessly |
| 21:22.23 | uruboro | Stew2 but, since i never used it recently i dunno |
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| 21:22.48 | RedPenguin | Odd |
| 21:22.53 | RedPenguin | I have /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 21:22.59 | RedPenguin | And /etc/apache/conf/httpd.conf |
| 21:23.01 | equnix | how do i activate my dhcp? |
| 21:23.09 | dendrite | Hmmm.. in starting nfs and friends, I see that rpc.statd opens *two* UDP ports, only one of which can be set with the -p option -- the other is still random -- Any ideas on how I can nail this down? |
| 21:23.36 | JRWR | is bf24 a good way to install on a laptop |
| 21:23.40 | uruboro | equnix you want to serve dhcp protocol or just use it to connect? |
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| 21:24.07 | equnix | uruboro, serve |
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| 21:24.55 | uruboro | equnix apt-get install dhcp3-server, done? |
| 21:25.07 | Stew2 | uruboro Webmin has worked great so far. No complaints (other than the default user being root) |
| 21:25.17 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 21:25.17 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 21:25.23 | abrotman | yay |
| 21:25.26 | kombi | hrmpf, switched ramdisk and almost all file systems on, still "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block"... |
| 21:25.31 | Cyanophytes | how can I make floppy accessible by normal users? |
| 21:25.40 | dendrite | abrotman: 16:20 < stew> !webmin |
| 21:25.42 | greycat | JRWR: if you must install woody, then yes, try bf24 first. |
| 21:25.50 | alfTx | just installed sarge about 3 days ago and had two sound devices (plantonics USB headset and Soundblaster pci card) but only the plantonics worked. I unplugged it and still nothing from the speakers so rebooted w/out USB headset plugged in. STILL no sound from speakers... lspci and dmesg show the sound card but I'm at a loss to go from here :-( TIA mike.. |
| 21:25.55 | kombi | what might it be? |
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| 21:26.21 | abrotman | dendrite: it needs reinforced at every mention |
| 21:26.26 | kombi | cramfs? |
| 21:26.26 | dendrite | abrotman: :-) |
| 21:26.36 | dvs | alfTx: Are u using ALSA? |
| 21:26.39 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:26.39 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:26.48 | strubbel | how is less made silent? |
| 21:26.50 | alfTx | yes.. ALSA |
| 21:26.54 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: man fstab;man mount |
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| 21:27.39 | js_ | is there something i can use to configure what fonts i want gtk2 to use? |
| 21:27.59 | dendrite | OK, is anybody here running nfs-user-server who can tell me if their rpc.statd has bound *two* UDP listeners?? |
| 21:28.16 | abrotman | js_: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 21:28.43 | lobomufas | hi |
| 21:28.47 | idis | hi all, I'm connected with dsl modem using dhcp. My ISP seems pointy on which dns to use to resolve specific services, but I want a local dns. Is there a way to use dhcp parameter to reset bind? |
| 21:29.08 | kombi | I remember now it was cramfs missing that caused this error.. |
| 21:29.24 | alfTx | hold on... i just looked and alsa isnt' running.. let me investigate and get back to ya... |
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| 21:29.27 | reNegad3 | idis, you could set up forwarders in you config |
| 21:29.53 | reNegad3 | idis, not sure about the resting |
| 21:30.08 | equnix | uruboro, how do i set authority in dhcpd.conf? |
| 21:30.14 | dendrite | idis: What I do is run bind on my net, and set forwarders. |
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| 21:30.34 | idis | Well, I had forwarders until now, but it seems my ISP changed the DNS, and it seems I should use their address which may change often |
| 21:30.39 | dendrite | idis: forwarders in my bind config, that is. |
| 21:30.42 | sussudio | badgerassss |
| 21:30.54 | equnix | How do i set authority in dhcpd.conf? |
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| 21:31.00 | uruboro | equnix i send you my conf in pvt so you have an idea |
| 21:31.01 | FieldySnuts | badgerbadger |
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| 21:31.05 | FieldySnuts | read isc's dhcpd docs |
| 21:31.07 | equnix | ok. |
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| 21:31.14 | sussudio | badgers have pretty fuzzy tails |
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| 21:31.30 | FieldySnuts | do badgers bite? |
| 21:31.49 | ^c | !badger FieldySnuts |
| 21:31.50 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
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| 21:31.51 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: oh yeah |
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| 21:31.54 | rares001 | can someone point me to the w3c or firefox flame channel |
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| 21:32.05 | ^c | hrrmmmf |
| 21:32.06 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: they can bite a rattlesnake in half |
| 21:32.12 | FieldySnuts | rares001: #mozilla2,005 |
| 21:32.13 | sussudio | !boeni ^c |
| 21:32.14 | dpkg | ^c: Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Madarch Madarch Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Neidr O 'i S Neidr! |
| 21:32.21 | FieldySnuts | @blaireau ^c |
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| 21:32.23 | ravenbird | ^c: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
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| 21:32.44 | ^c | @cigar $1 is <action> lights a cigar and hands it to $1 |
| 21:32.44 | ravenbird | ^c: okay |
| 21:32.48 | strubbel | ups...sorry |
| 21:32.49 | ^c | @cigar me |
| 21:32.55 | ^c | hah! |
| 21:32.58 | rares | bah |
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| 21:33.13 | kombi | oops, where is cramfs in kernel config? |
| 21:33.24 | abrotman | gone |
| 21:33.31 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:33.32 | kombi | really? |
| 21:33.45 | kombi | seems to be the missing part.. |
| 21:33.47 | jcurry | anyone use the tomcat4 package? /etc/init.d/tomcat4 start gives me a su auth prompt, and then quickly times out...any ideas? |
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| 21:33.56 | abrotman | from what i remember .. sarge/sid don't require cramfs any more .. and the vanilla sources from kernel.org don't have the cramfs patch |
| 21:33.59 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 21:34.00 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag of condoms, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 starving goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 21:34.05 | abrotman | jcurry: #tomcat |
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| 21:34.08 | xiche | hi people, strangest thing happened, i recompiled kernel, rebooted and got: PHP Warning: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20010901/mysql.so' - /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference in Unknown on line 0 |
| 21:34.13 | abrotman | jcurry: or check BTS |
| 21:34.17 | kombi | abrotman: I see it during boot of sarge though |
| 21:34.31 | abrotman | kombi: does it say ramfs or cramfs ? |
| 21:34.32 | strubbel | are aliases preferable over env vars? |
| 21:34.39 | kombi | cramfs |
| 21:34.47 | abrotman | bah .. ithought it was gone |
| 21:34.49 | abrotman | damn them |
| 21:34.56 | strubbel | :w |
| 21:35.01 | chugga | is cramfs the gmail thing |
| 21:35.02 | strubbel | ups |
| 21:35.06 | abrotman | chugga: not even close |
| 21:35.13 | chugga | abrotman, what is it then? |
| 21:35.16 | abrotman | !cramfs |
| 21:35.16 | dpkg | somebody said cramfs was a compressed RAM file system. It is loaded along with other file systems at boot. The kernel tries every registered partition driver to read the superblock of the initrd image. The cramfs driver disobeys the 'silent' flag passed to it (a bug) and grizzles that the superblock doesn't have the magic numbers expected of a cramfs superblock. |
| 21:35.20 | zinx | chugga: gmailfs? |
| 21:35.22 | chugga | oh |
| 21:35.32 | jcurry | abrotman, it seems to be a debian problem, but i'll check...the bts has nothing |
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| 21:37.21 | kyl1 | I am running 2.6.10-1-686, ndiswrapper module depends on ndiswrapper-utils-1.0 but cannot find ndiswrapper-utils-1.0. Where can I find ndiswrapper-utils-1.0? |
| 21:37.38 | jcurry | abrotman, the only thing i could find was: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292448, but that didn't help |
| 21:38.04 | abrotman | jcurry: that's why i said to ask #tomcat .. they might at least have a clue why it's asking for a password |
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| 21:38.11 | abrotman | jcurry: and then you can file a bug! |
| 21:38.34 | jcurry | abrotman, oh boy. |
| 21:38.36 | stew | kyl1: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:38.44 | jcurry | abrotman, i ask, they sleep |
| 21:38.44 | abrotman | jcurry: you don't like that idea? |
| 21:38.56 | abrotman | jcurry: you could repectfully ask #java .. but they may kill you |
| 21:39.10 | jcurry | abrotman, filing bugs is easy, its getting them resolved that hurts |
| 21:39.28 | stew | jcurry: you get an su prompt when running the init script as root? |
| 21:39.33 | jcurry | abrotman, i guess i could try the third-party tomcat5 package :) |
| 21:39.38 | greycat | jcurry: in some cases, fixing them is easier than getting the maintainer to acknowledge that THERE WAS A FUCKING PROBLEM in the first place. |
| 21:39.41 | greycat | !safecat |
| 21:39.42 | dpkg | i heard safecat is a program for delivering messages to maildir format mailboxes. But the Debian maintainer is an idiot. greycat's fixed version of safecat is at <http://wooledge.org/~greg/safecat/> and <http://bugs.debian.org/220849>. |
| 21:39.44 | jcurry | stew, yep! |
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| 21:40.01 | abrotman | jcurry: did you check the archived reports? |
| 21:40.08 | jcurry | abrotman, hmm? |
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| 21:40.15 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=tomcat4&archive=yes |
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| 21:40.23 | kimda | hi. i am trying to query my ldapserver but i don't get all the results back. the query ends when it reaches the base (ie. dn: ou=foo,dc=bar,dc=bar). when i do a slapcat i can see that there are other results after the base. any ideas? |
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| 21:40.26 | Demon` | hello |
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| 21:40.42 | Demon` | how can I do a netinsall without ever installing grub |
| 21:40.44 | Demon` | ? |
| 21:40.49 | chugga | !bsd |
| 21:40.49 | dpkg | read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or 00:48 < beta3> BSD stands for Bull Shit Distribution |
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| 21:40.57 | greycat | Demon`: boot in expert mode. |
| 21:41.25 | chugga | thats a bit racist.. |
| 21:41.32 | hans__ | Got a problem - I need to have DHCP clients obtain two search-domains. Anyone done this? |
| 21:41.34 | abrotman | chugga: you're in a fuckign linux channel .. get over it |
| 21:41.35 | Demon` | greycat: will that let me boot into any linux partition? |
| 21:41.41 | RedPenguin | A nice motto for Debian would have to be, from a junk Windows machine to a nice Debian system |
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| 21:42.36 | uruboro | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.41 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 21:42.42 | Demon` | I almost lost my partitons... grub wouldn't load xp and xp's disc won't boot... lucky I made an MBR backup |
| 21:42.46 | sussudio | RedPenguin: we already have a themesong... "Hated Sunday" by Black Box Recorder |
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| 21:43.01 | RedPenguin | I see |
| 21:43.13 | sussudio | RedPenguin: come back sunday to find out why |
| 21:43.20 | js_ | is there a package which has the helvetica font in it? |
| 21:43.21 | abrotman | sussudio:sunday bloody sunady? |
| 21:43.32 | sussudio | abrotman: or "every day is like sunday" |
| 21:43.37 | kombi | abrotman: Strange, I take it a debian kernel source is no different from kernel.org, is it? |
| 21:43.47 | abrotman | kombi: check the change log |
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| 21:44.02 | stew | kombi: its different |
| 21:44.19 | stew | kombi: debian kernel source is patched for stuff like cramfs |
| 21:44.24 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite stew |
| 21:44.32 | stew | ? |
| 21:44.36 | abrotman | it's |
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| 21:44.39 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:44.41 | kombi | stew: that explains it maybe.. |
| 21:44.43 | stew | aw crap |
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| 21:44.57 | abrotman | stew: we'll forgive you .. all that reading up and down with stick characters :) |
| 21:45.11 | stew | heh |
| 21:45.14 | kombi | stew: cramfs is just what I seem to be missing |
| 21:45.31 | ^c | bsd =~ s/BSD stands for Bull Shit Distribution/BSD stand for Berkeley Software Distribution/ |
| 21:45.46 | kombi | stew: I might actually end up doing it the usual way again (and be cursed here) |
| 21:45.54 | ^c | dpkg: bsd =~ s/BSD stands for Bull Shit Distribution/BSD stands for Berkeley Software Distribution/ |
| 21:45.54 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'BSD stands for Bull Shit Distribution', ^c |
| 21:45.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:46.04 | abrotman | ^c; just leave it be |
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| 21:46.12 | abrotman | ^c: anyone that cares knows what it means |
| 21:46.30 | ^c | abrotman: you have a point. but it ain't nice to offend dead things |
| 21:46.31 | stew | kombi: man make-kpkg and read the --initrd part |
| 21:46.44 | Blissex | I would like to point out that BSD is fully supported by a Debian subproject. Debian is not linux specific. |
| 21:46.44 | kombi | thx |
| 21:46.58 | abrotman | ^c: even more so .. who do you konw that actually uses real BSD(instead of FBSD,NBSD,OBSD) |
| 21:47.08 | _rene_ | don't forget hurd ;) |
| 21:47.13 | sussudio | !hump Blissex |
| 21:47.13 | abrotman | Blissex: but i think there is a #debian-bsd |
| 21:47.18 | ^c | abrotman: nobody ;) |
| 21:47.26 | sussudio | !hurd _rene_ |
| 21:47.44 | rares000 | hurd is not microkernel |
| 21:47.46 | _rene_ | sussudio: hey, I don't use it. just wanted to mention it for completeness sake |
| 21:47.52 | _rene_ | sussudio: and note the smiley |
| 21:47.58 | abrotman | rares000: right .. it just doesn't work :) |
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| 21:48.48 | abrotman | rares000: which kernel are they on now? |
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| 21:49.28 | rares000 | whoever decided that the measurement of the height of the web page doesn't take into account the 5 toolbars I have running should be shot |
| 21:49.28 | stew | rares000: its not? |
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| 21:49.41 | abrotman | rares000: agreed |
| 21:50.02 | SaidinUnleashed | does the netinst cd have wireless drivers? |
| 21:50.04 | abrotman | rares000: i thought they dropped Mach ? |
| 21:50.06 | cthulfuego | rares000: I thought it was tiny and couldn't do anything. That makes it a microkernel in my book ;-) |
| 21:50.11 | abrotman | SaidinUnleashed: depends on your wifi card |
| 21:50.29 | SaidinUnleashed | it's a orinoco core, pcmcia |
| 21:50.32 | uruboro | maybe they are looking at l4 microkernel |
| 21:50.38 | stew | http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd <-- seems to think its microkernel |
| 21:50.40 | rares000 | hurd is the herd of daemons that sit there waiting for instuctions l4 is the microkernel |
| 21:50.46 | SaidinUnleashed | very generic, works great with an installed system |
| 21:50.52 | rares000 | I wonder if Mac OS X will go to l4 |
| 21:50.56 | abrotman | stew: i believe Hurd is an OS .. just like Debian/GNU Linux .. Hurd uses another microkernel .. currently Mach .. L4 .. |
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| 21:51.25 | stew | SaidinUnleashed: yes, with the bf24 kernel in the woody installer or the default d-i installer |
| 21:51.33 | SaidinUnleashed | yes, Hurd is a different OS |
| 21:51.36 | abrotman | err .. they are looking at L4 . but i thought they had laready dropped Mach |
| 21:51.38 | rares000 | Debian/GNU/Linux/GNOME |
| 21:51.38 | uruboro | l4 runs linux 2.4 so maybe we all end up there ;) |
| 21:51.45 | abrotman | SaidinUnleashed: which installer ? |
| 21:51.47 | kombi | stew: that almost certainly seems to have been it (--initrd), I might become a true debianer even when it comes to kernels.. |
| 21:51.49 | SaidinUnleashed | stew, thanks |
| 21:51.52 | rares000 | that |
| 21:52.05 | rares000 | 's because l4 is an arrogant microkernel |
| 21:52.11 | SaidinUnleashed | abrotman, an nightly build (booted with floppies) from late december |
| 21:52.40 | abrotman | SaidinUnleashed: the sarge installer should work . that's odd .. maybe try a newer build/release |
| 21:52.42 | Phated | Gosh, have kernels acquired personalities now. |
| 21:52.54 | strubbel | ~apt |
| 21:52.55 | apt | apt is probably a prude, or a fag, or an evil fserve containing master plans for world domination, or useless |
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| 21:53.02 | strubbel | !apt |
| 21:53.02 | dpkg | it has been said that apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. |
| 21:53.06 | Blastur | hey! anyone know how I can get more fonts working in gnuplot? i basically did apt-get install gnuplot, and it says it can't find standard fonts like Arial etc... where can I get those? and where do I put them so gnuplot finds them? |
| 21:53.06 | rares000 | Phated that was brilliant |
| 21:53.06 | sussudio | ... |
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| 21:53.15 | ^c | @apt |
| 21:53.16 | sussudio | !factinfo apt |
| 21:53.16 | dpkg | apt -- last modified at Tue Jun 1 05:14:49 2004 by mdh!matthew@intology-gw2.intology.com.au; it has been requested 235 times, last by strubbel, 14s ago. |
| 21:53.17 | ravenbird | somebody said apt was apt, or kinky. A Pretty_Cool Tool. APT package handling utility -- command-line interface |
| 21:53.21 | nvz | how do you change the real name of a user? |
| 21:53.21 | Phated | rares000: Why thank you. |
| 21:53.24 | sussudio | ~factinfo apt |
| 21:53.24 | apt | apt -- last modified at Sat Jan 22 20:47:35 2005 by u_int32_t!~im_an_int@cpanel16.fuitadnet.com; it has been requested 8 times, last by strubbel, 29s ago. |
| 21:53.27 | SaidinUnleashed | abrotman, havent had problems, but it takes a LONG time to boot with floppies, if I needed to run another cat5, i didn't want to have to reboot ^_^ |
| 21:53.28 | Blissex | Blastur: you need to install them as X fonts... |
| 21:53.28 | _rene_ | Blastur: msttcorefonts |
| 21:53.35 | sussudio | hmm |
| 21:53.44 | Blastur | _rene_: apt-package? |
| 21:53.45 | sussudio | ~seen u_int32_t |
| 21:53.46 | apt | u_int32_t is currently on #linuxpakistan (1h 11m 16s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 38m 56s |
| 21:53.47 | abrotman | SaidinUnleashed: they have a CD version :) |
| 21:53.57 | abrotman | nice |
| 21:53.59 | SaidinUnleashed | abrotman, i cant boot from a cd |
| 21:54.01 | abrotman | fucktard |
| 21:54.03 | abrotman | SaidinUnleashed: not you |
| 21:54.08 | abrotman | SaidinUnleashed: oh .. bummer .. USB boot? |
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| 21:54.16 | nvz | heh, apt is in #linuxpakistan? |
| 21:54.17 | sussudio | ~listauth u_int32_t |
| 21:54.17 | apt | factoid author list by 'u_int32_t' returned no results. |
| 21:54.17 | strubbel | sussudio: mmm |
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| 21:54.38 | SaidinUnleashed | abrotman, i use the boot, root, and cdrom-driver floppies, then move over to the cdrom |
| 21:54.45 | strubbel | sussudio: can i /msg apt? |
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| 21:54.47 | _rene_ | Blastur: yes |
| 21:54.49 | abrotman | SaidinUnleashed: how old is this thing? |
| 21:54.53 | jcurry | abrotman, #tomcat tells me the debs are b0rken... |
| 21:55.09 | _rene_ | Blastur: note: in contrib, since it is a installer for non-free software |
| 21:55.11 | abrotman | jcurry: funny .. i'm running the same debs .. works fine here |
| 21:55.15 | sussudio | strubbel: yes, you can |
| 21:55.18 | Blastur | _rene_: it's already installed it says.. |
| 21:55.19 | SaidinUnleashed | abrotman, toshiba 420CDS - 99mhz pentium, 40mb ram, 4gb hdd |
| 21:55.22 | _rene_ | Blastur: in this case: non-free fonts |
| 21:55.24 | _rene_ | Blastur: hmm |
| 21:55.31 | strubbel | apt is nice |
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| 21:55.36 | abrotman | SaidinUnleashed: eewwww |
| 21:55.40 | rares000 | SaidinUnleashed which PCMCIA card is it? and how easy is it to get the firmwaste |
| 21:55.42 | stew | ~no apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. |
| 21:55.43 | apt | okay, stew |
| 21:55.47 | SaidinUnleashed | abrotman, trying to squeese some more life out of it |
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| 21:55.50 | jcurry | abrotman, what version is your tomcat4 package? |
| 21:56.05 | abrotman | jcurry: 4.1.31-2 |
| 21:56.15 | strubbel | ~seen root |
| 21:56.16 | apt | root <~root@S01060050ba84447c.vc.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #, 1d 20h 25m 48s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
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| 21:56.17 | SaidinUnleashed | rares000, netgear MA111 (v1 i think) |
| 21:56.23 | abrotman | jcurry: but i do have tomcat4-webapp installed |
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| 21:56.31 | abrotman | and libtomcat4-java |
| 21:56.32 | strubbel | !lol |
| 21:56.32 | dpkg | methinks lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 21:56.44 | jcurry | abrotman, same here...i have tomcat4-webapps installed also |
| 21:56.52 | abrotman | and libtomcat4-java? |
| 21:56.57 | jcurry | checking |
| 21:57.01 | stew | SaidinUnleashed: is the 111 supported by linux at all? |
| 21:57.02 | world | I get the error, "Address family not support by protocol" when I try to run bitchx. Is that server or client side? |
| 21:57.14 | jcurry | abrotman, version 4.1.31-2 |
| 21:57.17 | abrotman | it must be bitchx :) |
| 21:57.23 | abrotman | jcurry: hmm .. |
| 21:57.33 | jcurry | abrotman, it is broken! |
| 21:57.38 | SaidinUnleashed | stew, yes, it uses the orinoco_cs module, and works like a charm ^_^ |
| 21:57.43 | jcurry | abrotman, i don't know what else to do |
| 21:57.44 | world | I wonder it only does it to me on one server though it's so odd. |
| 21:57.57 | abrotman | jcurry: tried purging/reinstalling? |
| 21:58.02 | rares000 | is the Intel Pro/Wireless 2011B supported in newer kernels I have to go through a custom build to get my 233Mhz TP700 online |
| 21:58.05 | abrotman | jcurry: which java are you using? |
| 21:58.06 | ^c | !beer jcurry |
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| 21:58.23 | rares000 | If there were no VNC I would be dead |
| 21:58.25 | SaidinUnleashed | I'm going to be scared if the DSL channel ever gets this busy :P |
| 21:58.26 | cthulfuego | rares000: Probably needs the driver off sourceforge (if you're lucky) |
| 21:58.51 | world | Is there anything I can do to fix my bitchx problem? |
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| 21:59.08 | cthulfuego | world: dpkg --purge bitchx |
| 21:59.08 | abrotman | isn't there a #bitchx? |
| 21:59.13 | SaidinUnleashed | world, what is the problem? |
| 21:59.18 | world | I get the error, "Address family not support by protocol" when I try to run bitchx. Is that server or client side? |
| 21:59.22 | world | That one |
| 21:59.26 | cthulfuego | SaidinUnleashed: Normally the problem is that it's running. |
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| 21:59.41 | world | Is there is a bitchx channel? |
| 21:59.47 | abrotman | !bitchx |
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| 21:59.47 | dpkg | Why are you adding such dumb factoids? We don't need more idiots with quit messages. |
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| 21:59.48 | SaidinUnleashed | cthulfuego, yes, I much prefer Naim, or tinyirc for console chat |
| 21:59.57 | cthulfuego | SaidinUnleashed: irssi |
| 22:00.10 | Phated | irssi! |
| 22:00.12 | jcurry | abrotman, i tried purging, and it tells me it is using 1.4, i need to change it to 1.5, since i don't have 1.4 |
| 22:00.19 | rares000 | I have the thing but I don't want to try a newer kernel because the code for the orinoco simply doesn't build |
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| 22:00.24 | abrotman | jcurry: change what? |
| 22:00.30 | ppp | SaidinUnleashed: is there a dsl channel? |
| 22:00.30 | abrotman | jcurry: /msg dpkg java |
| 22:00.34 | abrotman | jcurry: use java-package |
| 22:00.40 | rares000 | when it loads there are a billion symbol errors |
| 22:00.46 | SaidinUnleashed | cthulfuego, eh, I like that naim will do aim and icq too, just wish it did yahoo |
| 22:00.51 | jcurry | abrotman, in /etc/default/tomcat4 |
| 22:00.56 | SaidinUnleashed | ppp, yes, #damnsmalllinux |
| 22:01.02 | ppp | ty |
| 22:01.07 | jcurry | abrotman, i did use java-package to build a 1.5 deb, and am using that now |
| 22:01.07 | abrotman | jcurry: i'm still not sure that would accoutn for asking you for a password |
| 22:01.14 | stew | SaidinUnleashed: naim is gross for irc, irssi + bitlbee is a much nicer solution |
| 22:01.16 | strubbel | arrrg |
| 22:01.18 | abrotman | jcurry: i'm running sun jdk 1.4 |
| 22:01.23 | kombi | it does boot, holy smokes! |
| 22:01.30 | jcurry | abrotman, yes, i don't think the sdk version has any influence over su |
| 22:01.31 | uruboro | strubbel unless it's python, of course |
| 22:01.31 | nvz | SaidinUnleashed: bitlbee does em all, and you just connect to it with your IRC client |
| 22:01.45 | SaidinUnleashed | WOOO! it loaded the drivers automatically! this netinst cd impresses me even more every time I use it! |
| 22:01.50 | strubbel | uruboro: oh yes :) |
| 22:01.50 | dvs | kombi: if it smokes, we can't help you. ;-) |
| 22:01.55 | rares000 | well back to work |
| 22:01.59 | kombi | lol |
| 22:02.07 | abrotman | jcurry: i'd definitely file a bug .. especially if you can spot where in the script it's asking you for this |
| 22:02.25 | kombi | MTA takes ages to start though (old hardware), can't one do without? |
| 22:02.30 | jcurry | abrotman, will do |
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| 22:02.48 | abrotman | jcurry: that init script is pretty large |
| 22:03.00 | abrotman | jcurry: 215lines |
| 22:03.00 | stew | jcurry: strace might help you figure out where its being called |
| 22:03.13 | kombi | or is it maybe desperately trying to resolve hosts while there is no connection? |
| 22:03.13 | SaidinUnleashed | kombi, what are you running on? |
| 22:03.29 | kombi | 32Megs of RAM, AMD K5 |
| 22:03.47 | uruboro | kombi MTA might be slower because it tries a network connection. on a 166mhz mac exim takes no more than 5 secs |
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| 22:03.53 | jcurry | abrotman, there are only three 'su' strings |
| 22:03.57 | stew | kombi: just don't reboot |
| 22:04.00 | jcurry | abrotman, it doesn't look that bad |
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| 22:04.09 | kombi | stew: good one.. |
| 22:04.21 | abrotman | jcurry: ah ok |
| 22:04.31 | kombi | probably resolving issue |
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| 22:04.37 | jcurry | abrotman, thanks |
| 22:04.44 | abrotman | jcurry: sorry i couldn't help more |
| 22:05.43 | jcurry | abrotman, it's not your fault, its a bug |
| 22:05.50 | world | exit |
| 22:05.53 | world | oops |
| 22:05.53 | petemc | kombi: i had problems with exim on my laptop if there was no network and it was set for a static ip and the interface up, installing ifplugd seems to have solved that problem |
| 22:05.54 | world | lol |
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| 22:06.13 | stew | jcurry: you didn't do anything crazy like mess with pam.d/su did you? like can root still su without a password? |
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| 22:06.44 | uruboro | kombi anyway with 32megs only if you don't need mta get rid of it |
| 22:06.49 | SaidinUnleashed | kombi, nice, have you thought of using smail instead of mta? |
| 22:07.00 | stew | uruboro: you need an mta |
| 22:07.13 | jcurry | stew, nope, the only thing i did is alias my su to sudo -s, but a proper root shell gives me the same error |
| 22:07.18 | restrex | hi guys. I compiled xorg on debian sid following this how to http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve?catname=Debian but my keyboard is in english and I can't get symbols like # etc... In the how to there's a comment explaining how to fix it... but It's not understood |
| 22:07.28 | restrex | is in spanish* sorry |
| 22:07.42 | abrotman | restrex: this is not the place for xorg support |
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| 22:07.52 | restrex | !!! |
| 22:07.52 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 22:07.54 | stew | jcurry: "propper" root shell? it behaves the same when you /bin/su? or login as root? |
| 22:07.56 | restrex | yes I know that |
| 22:08.02 | abrotman | restrex: #freedesktop ? |
| 22:08.06 | restrex | no |
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| 22:08.14 | abrotman | it's not here |
| 22:08.20 | SaidinUnleashed | prehaps #xorg? |
| 22:08.22 | restrex | abrotman it's not here |
| 22:08.27 | abrotman | you went and compiled your own X ... completely outside debian stuff ... |
| 22:08.28 | restrex | agrgr |
| 22:08.30 | jcurry | stew, it behaves the same way when i '/bin/su -' |
| 22:08.38 | restrex | ohh sorry |
| 22:08.40 | tobo | how do i see what package provides a file? |
| 22:08.45 | uruboro | stew i never tried to take an mta out indeed. maybe if you need a server with a couple services only it might be done... |
| 22:08.47 | abrotman | restrex: but if you've got a debian problem .. come on back! :) |
| 22:08.48 | stew | tobo: dpkg -S |
| 22:08.51 | tobo | tnx |
| 22:08.52 | asg | tobo: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:08.55 | restrex | all the people on this channel uses xfree86 |
| 22:08.56 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 22:08.56 | restrex | sorry |
| 22:09.01 | chimaera | hi. since using udev, my wifi-usb-stick faile every now and then. i have to re-plug it and call the appropriate script again. seems like a) it's not recognized anymore at a given time and b) my hotplug-script to initialize it isn't called automagically anymore. any ideas? |
| 22:09.02 | asg | abrotman: afternoon |
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| 22:09.04 | abrotman | restrex: most of us do |
| 22:09.05 | sussudio | !bear abrotman |
| 22:09.15 | restrex | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.19 | jcurry | stew, just checked, does the same thing when i login as root |
| 22:09.30 | restrex | I'm seeking a person that NOT uses xfree86 |
| 22:09.31 | restrex | :) |
| 22:09.39 | restrex | so, SHUT up please |
| 22:09.40 | abrotman | restrex: #freedesktop is a good place to start |
| 22:09.40 | restrex | :) |
| 22:09.46 | dvs | buh bye |
| 22:09.48 | restrex | you can help me doing that |
| 22:10.00 | asg | restrex: there are a few who only use console, does that count? |
| 22:10.01 | abrotman | restrex: go to #freedesktop .. debian does not have X.org packages |
| 22:10.23 | SaidinUnleashed | restrex, also, #xorg can be some help, when someone is awake |
| 22:10.47 | restrex | abrotman fuck you, I said to you that i'm searching a 'debian user' that compiled his own xorg |
| 22:10.49 | restrex | :) |
| 22:11.06 | restrex | well bye |
| 22:11.07 | abrotman | restrex: you're the dumbass .. you came to #debian for help with something not even close to being in debian .. |
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| 22:11.16 | abrotman | not even fucking close |
| 22:11.17 | restrex | oh |
| 22:11.19 | restrex | sorry |
| 22:11.26 | abrotman | which i already explained 5 times |
| 22:11.28 | restrex | I compiled xorg in mandrake |
| 22:11.30 | restrex | bye |
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| 22:11.43 | abrotman | good .. go there |
| 22:11.48 | asg | restrex: then compile it in debian, nothing is stopping you. |
| 22:11.49 | uruboro | restrex see how ubuntu implemented xorg, then. it's a good start |
| 22:11.55 | SaidinUnleashed | mandrake? eww! I didn't know that people still used that |
| 22:12.03 | abrotman | SaidinUnleashed: mostly dumb people :) |
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| 22:12.16 | rares000 | what's wrong with mandrake |
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| 22:12.23 | SaidinUnleashed | abrotman, even smarter dumb people at least use ubuntu |
| 22:12.29 | abrotman | and .. iirc .. doesn't mdk ship with xorg ? |
| 22:12.33 | bwalls | hi does anyone here know how to install radeon drivers on debian? |
| 22:12.41 | asg | bwalls: /msg dpkg ati |
| 22:12.44 | restrex | uruboro I tried xorg at hoary, so I liked it. Now, I'm trying to get it on sid |
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| 22:12.49 | restrex | what tha proble?? |
| 22:12.50 | restrex | :) |
| 22:12.53 | abrotman | go away |
| 22:12.55 | SaidinUnleashed | dunno, I left that pos at 7.2 |
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| 22:13.01 | bwalls | where do i tyoe that? |
| 22:13.01 | sunai | I SNATed my internal traffic to the external IP x.x.x.182 instead of .178 (same subnet) - allthough no interface of my firewall-box is configured to listen on it that IP, it still works. Does this mean iptables starts 'listening' on that IP as soon as it is used in SNAT? |
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| 22:13.07 | asg | bwalls: in your irc client |
| 22:13.07 | cat | hey people |
| 22:13.08 | bwalls | in the terminal anywhere? |
| 22:13.14 | asg | bwalls: our bot will provide information |
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| 22:13.18 | asg | hi cat |
| 22:13.24 | cat | asg wuz up |
| 22:13.25 | uruboro | restrex no problem. good luck. |
| 22:13.31 | asg | cat: same old, same old |
| 22:13.36 | Sekh | why isn't xorg in debian? :) |
| 22:13.43 | asg | Sekh: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 22:13.49 | rares000 | because sarge isn't out yet |
| 22:13.53 | SaidinUnleashed | Sekh, that's a very good question |
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| 22:14.09 | Sekh | asg: thanks |
| 22:14.15 | bwalls | its not working |
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| 22:14.30 | SaidinUnleashed | rares000, are there xorg packages in testing? i havent found them :/ |
| 22:14.32 | jonesy | !ati |
| 22:14.32 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 22:14.38 | abrotman | SaidinUnleashed: none .. |
| 22:14.45 | ^c | !xorg !!!!! |
| 22:14.46 | SaidinUnleashed | i didnt think so |
| 22:14.51 | asg | !tell bwalls about ati |
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| 22:15.08 | jcurry | jonesy, the dri ati drivers work fine for me |
| 22:15.25 | cthulfuego | Is Xorg going to solve your X problem? |
| 22:15.27 | rares000 | SaidinUnleashed: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 22:15.45 | ^c | there is no good reason to run xorg yet, that I have heard. |
| 22:15.53 | cthulfuego | ^c: Well, there is one. |
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| 22:16.02 | SaidinUnleashed | rares000, yes, I know |
| 22:16.05 | ^c | cthulfuego: what's that |
| 22:16.08 | stew | but its newer, it must be better! |
| 22:16.12 | cthulfuego | ^c: it supports hw 3d on the Radeon U1 (laptop) |
| 22:16.13 | asg | ^c: people want to make their amd64s run like 286s by enabling transparent dropdowns and such |
| 22:16.14 | SaidinUnleashed | zomg! |
| 22:16.21 | abrotman | cthulfuego: i at least thought you'd mention the license :) |
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| 22:16.51 | ^c | cthulfuego: well if you have that vid card |
| 22:16.52 | cthulfuego | asg: When you enable transparency, Xorg doesn't do DRI. |
| 22:16.58 | cthulfuego | ^c: indeed. |
| 22:17.00 | SaidinUnleashed | besides, wit fluxbox and xfree, i get all the transparency i need |
| 22:17.05 | SaidinUnleashed | wit = with |
| 22:17.16 | stew | with no transparancy i get all the transparancy i need |
| 22:17.25 | asg | cthulfuego: *nod* |
| 22:17.31 | SaidinUnleashed | heh, thats what I meant |
| 22:17.35 | abrotman | jeez .. xfre86 almost has 4.5 out the door |
| 22:17.51 | cthulfuego | asg: Although I'm pretty certain it did up until the previous xorg update on ubuntu. |
| 22:17.55 | bwalls | yea..... |
| 22:18.02 | cthulfuego | asg: I don't think dstone knows he broke it ;-) |
| 22:18.04 | bwalls | xfree 5 will rock |
| 22:18.07 | dvs | abrotman: But it ain't free |
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| 22:18.14 | asg | cthulfuego: hah |
| 22:18.15 | bwalls | u serious!? |
| 22:18.15 | cthulfuego | bwalls: It's not going to be in Debian. |
| 22:18.16 | Sekh | hmmm what's with the hostility towards xorg? |
| 22:18.17 | SaidinUnleashed | although I do wish that there were packages for the Kdrive X servers. Xfree is fat |
| 22:18.19 | Sekh | :) |
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| 22:18.29 | abrotman | dvs: i'm well aware of that |
| 22:18.30 | cthulfuego | bwalls: Once sarge is released, Etch will get Xorg. |
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| 22:18.31 | rares000 | bwalls: they changed the license |
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| 22:18.38 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:18.38 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:18.45 | rares000 | what's holding up sarge |
| 22:18.50 | cthulfuego | rares000: bugs. |
| 22:18.52 | bwalls | can anyone help me step by step install my radeon drivers? |
| 22:18.53 | saerdna | is it possible to apt-get imagemagick without xfree? |
| 22:18.54 | SaidinUnleashed | amen |
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| 22:18.55 | baz | rares000: bureaucracy? :) |
| 22:19.00 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 22:19.00 | abrotman | rares000: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical .. go help |
| 22:19.01 | rares000 | which bugs |
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| 22:19.11 | cthulfuego | SaidinUnleashed: Yes, imagemagic runs from the console. |
| 22:19.19 | kirbymeister | yo how do you burn a CD? |
| 22:19.20 | cthulfuego | s/SaidinUnleashed/saerdna/ |
| 22:19.21 | abrotman | cthulfuego: but it gets xlibs /. |
| 22:19.22 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:19.25 | SaidinUnleashed | :P |
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| 22:19.31 | ribnitz | How do I get a ¸ in X11 if my keyboard does not feature the key? |
| 22:19.32 | cthulfuego | abrotman: for xpm, probably. |
| 22:19.42 | cthulfuego | ç |
| 22:19.45 | kirbymeister | i need to burn a data CD, which program do I use? |
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| 22:19.54 | abrotman | kirbymeister: which desktop ? |
| 22:19.54 | uruboro | kirbymeister, either you get to learn cdrecord and mkisofs, or you get k3b |
| 22:19.55 | eeyore- | kirbymeister: make an iso image (mkisofs) then burn it (cdrecord, etc.) or use growisofs |
| 22:19.57 | dvs | kirbymeister: cdrecord: |
| 22:20.00 | bwalls | can anyone help me step by step install my radeon drivers? |
| 22:20.06 | ribnitz | kirbymeister: cdrecord |
| 22:20.11 | stew | rares000: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
| 22:20.11 | ReclusE | is it possible to get the size of a tar archive that exist on a SCSI tape device? |
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| 22:20.16 | KB1FYR | hi all |
| 22:20.17 | cthulfuego | kirbymeister: I find 'k3b' the most comprehensive for X. Otherwise, mkisofs and cdrecord. (k3b uses those anyway). |
| 22:20.31 | KB1FYR | Whee, I'm in bitchx |
| 22:20.32 | rares000 | no wonder... |
| 22:20.41 | abrotman | oh no .. he's back from watertown! |
| 22:20.43 | KB1FYR | I need to configure the xserver |
| 22:20.44 | ribnitz | kirbymeister: xcdroast is another option if its just cds |
| 22:20.44 | bwalls | will anyone please help me? |
| 22:20.46 | *** part/#debian george_e (~George_Es@199.217.234.6) |
| 22:20.52 | ribnitz | !ask |
| 22:20.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 22:20.52 | abrotman | !drxx KB1FYR |
| 22:20.53 | dpkg | KB1FYR: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 22:20.57 | cthulfuego | KB1FYR: No, you need to uninstall bitchx and run irssi first. |
| 22:20.59 | cat | KB1FYR dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:21.00 | SaidinUnleashed | kirbymeister, or groaster, if you want small |
| 22:21.05 | Blastur | hmm, i got some problems with fonts.. i have msttcorefonts installed, and it has downloaded a whole bunch of truetype fonts into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts .. however, gnuplot still can't find them, it's using the GD library, .. is there any default location where GD looks for fonts? other than the one i just mentioned, cause it's obviously not looking there! |
| 22:21.14 | KB1FYR | thnx guys |
| 22:21.22 | KB1FYR | I couldn't find irssi on the mirror |
| 22:21.24 | cat | Blastur mkdir .fonts and put them there |
| 22:21.34 | abrotman | KB1FYR: irssi-text |
| 22:21.35 | ribnitz | How would I compose a c-cedil char if my kbd does not feature the key? |
| 22:21.41 | KB1FYR | ohh |
| 22:21.42 | Blastur | cat: in my homedir? a dir called ".fonts"? |
| 22:21.43 | cat | and then restart you'r x |
| 22:21.47 | cat | yeah |
| 22:21.47 | bwalls | can anyone help me step by step install my radeon 9600 drivers? |
| 22:21.50 | Blastur | i don't use X |
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| 22:21.53 | cat | that's what i do, |
| 22:22.01 | cat | well then they should appear right away |
| 22:22.09 | ribnitz | bwalls: thats ati? |
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| 22:22.15 | SaidinUnleashed | bwalls, if you find someone who can, tell me, I've failed at it a dozen times |
| 22:22.24 | abrotman | !ati drivers |
| 22:22.24 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
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| 22:22.49 | drac | and #ati |
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| 22:23.08 | Blastur | cat, okay.. so i just copy the .ttf-files to that dir then? |
| 22:23.09 | rares000 | I think the development structure of debian is screwy |
| 22:23.16 | SaidinUnleashed | ^_^ nit-installing wirelessly! |
| 22:23.19 | cat | yeah Blastur |
| 22:23.22 | SaidinUnleashed | s/nit/net |
| 22:23.23 | uruboro | rares000, fork it ;) |
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| 22:23.38 | rares000 | ubuntudrake |
| 22:23.53 | jcurry | bwalls, nobody enjoys installing ait drivers |
| 22:23.56 | jcurry | ati* |
| 22:23.57 | SaidinUnleashed | I like the debian development model |
| 22:24.02 | uruboro | rares000, that's the spirit |
| 22:24.03 | pook | i am looking for some answers concerning alsa and the 2.6.10 kernel. |
| 22:24.08 | SaidinUnleashed | just release parts as they get ready |
| 22:24.09 | Blastur | cat: still can't find it :( |
| 22:24.18 | ReclusE | is it possible to get the size of a tar archive that exist on a SCSI tape device? |
| 22:24.19 | uruboro | SaidinUnleashed, seriously i agree with you |
| 22:24.24 | zinx | bwalls: what card? |
| 22:24.31 | SaidinUnleashed | bwalls, 2 words. n. vidia. |
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| 22:24.34 | bwalls | radeon 9600 pro |
| 22:24.34 | Blastur | cat: it just says "gdImageStringFT: Could not find/open font while printing string Title with font arial" |
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| 22:24.47 | zinx | bwalls: any specific problem or just "doesn't work"? |
| 22:24.52 | njan | !mobility u1 |
| 22:24.55 | dpkg | Cafuego got his to work under Sid with packages and info from: http://www.freedesktop.org/~dri/snapshots/README.Debian |
| 22:24.58 | rares000 | SaidinUnleashed: the bugs are the package developer's problem and they're holding back Debian |
| 22:25.00 | bwalls | idk how to get it to work |
| 22:25.08 | njan | hmm |
| 22:25.10 | bwalls | thats the only prob |
| 22:25.31 | jcurry | that's how i got mine to works also |
| 22:25.33 | zinx | bwalls: use flavio's packages: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 22:25.43 | SaidinUnleashed | rares000, true, but it's still a very relaxed atmosphere |
| 22:25.54 | bwalls | how do u kill x |
| 22:25.56 | SaidinUnleashed | god hates fglrx |
| 22:25.58 | jcurry | dri is da bomb |
| 22:26.02 | zinx | bwalls: you'll need to know how to use make-kpkg, and it would be better if you knew how to compile your own kernel |
| 22:26.05 | rares000 | freedesktop.org is great until you see how they over did it with the XML |
| 22:26.07 | *** join/#debian omry (~omry@tony08-119-186.inter.net.il) |
| 22:26.12 | bwalls | im a linux noob |
| 22:26.18 | zinx | jcurry: fglrx uses the DRI interface |
| 22:26.23 | SaidinUnleashed | bwalls, ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 22:26.31 | bwalls | can some one give me step by step instructions? |
| 22:26.35 | zinx | jcurry: nVidia's drivers don't, and they're really the only competitor as far as speed goes :P |
| 22:26.37 | bwalls | ive got aim and msn |
| 22:26.38 | jcurry | zinx, well, color me ecstatic |
| 22:26.49 | omry | hi, which package contains nfs daemons? |
| 22:26.51 | cthulfuego | 51 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10.200 FPS |
| 22:26.52 | zinx | bwalls: that'd take a while :/ |
| 22:26.53 | cthulfuego | woo! |
| 22:27.23 | bwalls | i know but i can give you webhosting or somthing you need for it |
| 22:27.28 | bwalls | im a freelance webdesigner |
| 22:27.32 | zinx | bwalls: you can see if anyone's alive in #ati, though i don't think they are |
| 22:27.35 | eeyore- | rares000: <x> is tasty until you see how they overdid it with the onions ... that sounds roughly the same |
| 22:27.35 | bwalls | that owns a hosting company |
| 22:27.36 | xam | omry: choose between nfs-kernel-server and nft-user-server |
| 22:28.12 | xam | omry: I'd go for the nfs-kernel-server myself ... |
| 22:28.13 | eeyore- | rares000: if it was "great" to begin with, then it doesn't matter how they did it. if you think they overdid it, how could it possibly be great to begin with? |
| 22:28.25 | bwalls | zinx u know how to do it? |
| 22:28.38 | zinx | bwalls: yes, but i lack the patience |
| 22:28.47 | omry | xam, why kernel? its much faster? |
| 22:28.53 | rares000 | freedesktop.org is great because it bring people together it's bad because the XML is way bloaty |
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| 22:29.07 | bwalls | u need web hosting or a website? |
| 22:29.16 | xam | omry: latest 2.4 and 2.6 ... not 'much faster', but well maintained |
| 22:29.17 | ribnitz | rares000: xml tends to be descriptive, yes. |
| 22:29.33 | omry | xam, I`ll have to reboot if I choose kernel? |
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| 22:29.35 | KB1FYR | My graphics card is at 0000:00:12.0 |
| 22:29.42 | rares000 | bwalls I can help you out with building a kernel /msg me |
| 22:29.42 | Nexus | Anyone have maildrop working in debian? |
| 22:29.48 | KB1FYR | What do I tell the config program to use? |
| 22:29.57 | KB1FYR | the xfree86 config program |
| 22:29.58 | ribnitz | rares000: does xml allow things like <foo>bar</> ? |
| 22:30.16 | ribnitz | Nexus: yep |
| 22:30.17 | zinx | bwalls: i have free webhosting and don't trust anyone else's html :/ |
| 22:30.18 | KB1FYR | it says 0000:00:12.0 is not in the correct format |
| 22:30.28 | KB1FYR | I used lspci to get that |
| 22:30.30 | SilentBob | How can I tell if my wireless card is installed/working...if I don't have a wireless network at my house? |
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| 22:30.46 | KB1FYR | hi |
| 22:30.47 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, ad-hoc? |
| 22:31.07 | xam | omry: no ... if you have nfsd kernel support built-in (I think it is in the default debian kernels) |
| 22:31.10 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, what is that? |
| 22:31.12 | Nexus | ribnitz, Man. I've been trying forever to get it to work right. Are you using mysql with it? |
| 22:31.13 | SilentBob | no command/man page |
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| 22:31.25 | barra | hello when I gonna run aPHP script I got the "No input file specified" error. What could I do against this error ? |
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| 22:31.28 | KB1FYR | Can anyone help me? |
| 22:31.29 | ribnitz | Nexus: nope, why should I? |
| 22:31.31 | KB1FYR | My graphics card is at 0000:00:12.0 |
| 22:31.43 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, it's the p2p wireless network protocal |
| 22:31.43 | omry | xam, thanks.. I`ll give the kernel nfs a try than. |
| 22:31.48 | KB1FYR | What do I tell the xfree86 program to use? |
| 22:31.53 | KB1FYR | lspci gave me that value |
| 22:32.06 | stew | KB1FYR: unless you are on non intel or are running multiple cards you can leave it blank |
| 22:32.08 | KB1FYR | but plugging it into the xfree86 program doesn't work |
| 22:32.11 | ribnitz | KB1FYR: leave it blank, it will find it automagically |
| 22:32.12 | SaidinUnleashed | KB1FYR, what is the problem? |
| 22:32.14 | KB1FYR | non intel |
| 22:32.18 | Nexus | ribnitz, Hmm... It's a possible configuration. I can't seem to get my postfix courierimap maildrop mysql config to work right... |
| 22:32.20 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, how does that help me? |
| 22:32.22 | KB1FYR | I'm on a ppc box |
| 22:32.27 | stew | KB1FYR: have you tried leaving it blank? |
| 22:32.28 | Nexus | I type maildrop -d test@test.com and get invalid user. |
| 22:32.35 | KB1FYR | no stew |
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| 22:32.36 | Nexus | invalid user specified rather... |
| 22:32.50 | stew | KB1FYR: try it |
| 22:32.51 | KB1FYR | but I'm on a ppc |
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| 22:32.52 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, of you have 2 w-nics you can use ad-hoc to connect them together |
| 22:32.54 | ribnitz | Nexus: exim4, clamav, spamassassin, procmail/maildrop working fine here |
| 22:33.18 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, o |
| 22:33.19 | SilentBob | no, I don't |
| 22:33.23 | SilentBob | Only one wireless card. |
| 22:33.32 | ribnitz | Nexus: maildrop is only at the user level, when you received the mail. |
| 22:33.56 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, then you may have to try a local college, library, etc |
| 22:34.08 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, somewhere with an open wlan |
| 22:34.17 | SilentBob | haha |
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| 22:34.36 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, How can I tell if debian has support for the card? |
| 22:34.42 | SilentBob | er |
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| 22:34.46 | SilentBob | Like if the drivers are installed |
| 22:34.47 | SilentBob | right now |
| 22:34.48 | KB1FYR | woo, it works |
| 22:34.50 | KB1FYR | bye |
| 22:34.52 | SilentBob | Or if debian wants me to find drivers |
| 22:35.01 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, try iwconfig, see if that shows you anything |
| 22:35.18 | ribnitz | Whats the fastest imap/ssl on maildir implementation out there? |
| 22:35.20 | js_ | where is the default window manager set? |
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| 22:35.34 | js_ | the one that starts when i type startx without an .xinitrc file |
| 22:35.38 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, command not found |
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| 22:35.50 | saerdna | is there any way to make debian never install anything Xfree related with apt-get? |
| 22:36.07 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, did you install the wireless-tools package? |
| 22:36.08 | bob2 | yes |
| 22:36.17 | bob2 | saerdna: don't install anything which uses X |
| 22:36.18 | bob2 | easy |
| 22:36.27 | saerdna | imagemagick doenst use x |
| 22:36.39 | saerdna | at least it doesnt use x nessecary |
| 22:36.44 | bob2 | come on dude |
| 22:36.55 | bob2 | it uses xlibs for "display", at least |
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| 22:37.24 | ^c | imagemagick doesn't have to display, and you can probably talk bootsplash into displaying stuff |
| 22:38.06 | pipeline | saerdna: Let me guess, you jury rigged xorg? |
| 22:38.15 | saerdna | no |
| 22:38.19 | saerdna | i love the consoel |
| 22:38.30 | pipeline | saerdna: You can mark XFree as already installed, then force the version not to change. But that may break when something isn't entirely compatible. |
| 22:38.35 | si|vercat | so why is scrolling assigned to buttons 5 and 6 according to xev, and XF86Config-4 says the Z Axis is buttons 11 and 12?! |
| 22:38.36 | pipeline | Oh, well, then the previous advice applies. |
| 22:38.40 | njan | saerdna, sounds like you need gentoo :p |
| 22:38.41 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, no, I didn't. |
| 22:38.53 | njan | </dangerouscomment> |
| 22:38.54 | saerdna | njan: why? |
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| 22:39.04 | ^c | 12 buttons 0.o |
| 22:39.10 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, you might try installing that. it helps a lot ^_^ |
| 22:39.11 | njan | saerdna, because then you could set "-X" in your USE flags and *nothing* would compile with X support unless it were a necessity. |
| 22:39.13 | pipeline | saerdna: He's making fun of you. |
| 22:39.15 | jcurry | 'lo njan |
| 22:39.22 | saerdna | njan: i know.. |
| 22:39.24 | njan | saerdna, you could emerge imagemagick and it wouldn't compile X support (assuming the ebuild was setup proprly) |
| 22:39.25 | kirbymeister | what's wrong with X? |
| 22:39.27 | njan | pipeline, no, I'm not. |
| 22:39.34 | njan | kirbymeister, it's a waste of space on a server / console-based machine |
| 22:39.36 | njan | jcurry, heya ;) |
| 22:39.37 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, What command do I use to start the package installer program |
| 22:39.37 | saerdna | njan: tell me something i dont know already =) |
| 22:39.38 | kirbymeister | oh |
| 22:39.40 | pipeline | A waste of space? |
| 22:39.40 | SilentBob | From my sarge disc 1 |
| 22:39.41 | pipeline | WTF |
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| 22:39.43 | kirbymeister | you setting up a server |
| 22:39.45 | cthulfuego | !greenhouse |
| 22:39.45 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 22:39.46 | pipeline | Computers come with 5G hard drives these days |
| 22:39.49 | njan | saerdna, then you shouldn't have asked me why gentoo, if you knew :p |
| 22:39.50 | pipeline | It doesn't really matter. |
| 22:39.51 | kirbymeister | lol |
| 22:39.55 | jcurry | couldn't he use pinning, or something? |
| 22:39.57 | si|vercat | and how come every time I mention this the conversation changes focus from the actual problem to the fact that I have a 12 button mouse? :P |
| 22:40.03 | saerdna | hahahahha |
| 22:40.10 | pipeline | si|vercat: Why is this a problem? |
| 22:40.15 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 22:40.22 | kirbymeister | !lol |
| 22:40.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is Loser On Line, good work kirbymeister, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 22:40.23 | njan | jcurry, yup. That could break stuf,f though. |
| 22:40.28 | njan | s/stuf,f/stuff,/ |
| 22:40.41 | si|vercat | pipeline, the problem is that the scrolling is on 2 buttons on my thumb instead of the scroll button :( |
| 22:40.42 | jcurry | pfft, debian is perfect, it doesn't break |
| 22:40.43 | bwalls | !lol |
| 22:40.44 | dpkg | lol is probably Loser On Line, good work bwalls, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 22:40.44 | looksaus | I have a mobo with two differend integrated nics |
| 22:40.48 | ^c | ravenbird: say !lol |
| 22:40.50 | ravenbird | !lol |
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| 22:40.58 | looksaus | my monolithic kernel only supports one of them |
| 22:40.59 | jcurry | lol @ bwalls |
| 22:41.02 | kirbymeister | !wud1 |
| 22:41.03 | cthulfuego | @mock ^c |
| 22:41.04 | SaidinUnleashed | jcurry, well, it will break, if you try /really/ hard |
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| 22:41.07 | kirbymeister | !wud |
| 22:41.07 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 22:41.07 | bwalls | !lol |
| 22:41.08 | dpkg | from memory, lol is Loser On Line, good work bwalls, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 22:41.11 | saerdna | http://www.miranda-im.org/ <-- haxxed |
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| 22:41.15 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, "lo no wirelss extensions." |
| 22:41.16 | ^c | oh no what have I done |
| 22:41.19 | lonewolff | does anyone know why dns lookups from my debian box would be really slow? |
| 22:41.21 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, "eth0 no wirelss extensions." |
| 22:41.23 | tktk | by default, where are the apache logs stored? |
| 22:41.27 | SilentBob | Is what iwconfig gives me. |
| 22:41.27 | kirbymeister | !cs |
| 22:41.27 | dpkg | cs is, like, computer science Czechs are primitiveS! |
| 22:41.31 | looksaus | is there a way to get to know which is which without opening the box? |
| 22:41.31 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, what kind of wnic is this? |
| 22:41.36 | kirbymeister | !the OTHER cs |
| 22:41.54 | kirbymeister | !counterstrike |
| 22:41.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, counterstrike is the most popular multiplayer game ever and some people think it is the best it came out 5 years ago |
| 22:41.59 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, It's an orinoco |
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| 22:42.06 | jcurry | saerdna, lol |
| 22:42.10 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, But it's not like everyone thinks... |
| 22:42.14 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, usb? make/model? |
| 22:42.14 | sigma957 | lonewolff: I had a problem with /etc/resolv.conf setup wrong |
| 22:42.15 | websdale | si|vercat: so what does your ZAxis say? |
| 22:42.16 | SilentBob | It's doesn't have great support. |
| 22:42.31 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, 8420-WD |
| 22:42.33 | njan | jcurry, wouldn't know; I'm running ubuntu :p |
| 22:42.37 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, It won't work with the 2.6 kernel |
| 22:42.37 | jcurry | saerdna, but they could have been more creative |
| 22:42.41 | SilentBob | So I got debian instead of Fedora |
| 22:42.43 | si|vercat | websdale, "11 12", and xev reports buttons 11 and 12 being the scroll. |
| 22:42.46 | SilentBob | So I could use the 2.4 kernel |
| 22:42.48 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, what brand... |
| 22:42.54 | saerdna | jcurry: #miranda |
| 22:42.58 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, proxim |
| 22:43.11 | SilentBob | ORiNOCO 802.11b PC Card |
| 22:43.12 | SilentBob | GOLD |
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| 22:43.19 | websdale | si|vercat: what a nightmare :) |
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| 22:43.32 | ^c | !slap njan |
| 22:43.50 | si|vercat | websdale, yeah.. is there anything else that affects this..? |
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| 22:44.02 | cthulfuego | SilentBob: That will be fully supported, yes. You'll need wireless-tools and tweak it with iwconfig. |
| 22:44.06 | looksaus | is there a place I can see my unsupported nic's MAC adress using lspci or something? |
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| 22:44.15 | njan | I love you too, ^c; nice to see that the friendly open source spirit of tolerance and mutual cooperation is alive in #debian as ever. |
| 22:44.34 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, it needs a proprietary driver from here ----> http://www.greenblaze.com/proxim.html |
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| 22:45.02 | njan | ^c, I told you already! I'm married! Not in public! |
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| 22:45.13 | cthulfuego | SaidinUnleashed: orinocos don't need prorietary drivers. |
| 22:45.18 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, and it doesnt do anything fancy. |
| 22:45.22 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, k, I figured. |
| 22:45.27 | SaidinUnleashed | cthulfuego, it's not really an orinoco |
| 22:45.31 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, I shouldn't get the driver from proxim's website? |
| 22:45.34 | SilentBob | And compile that? |
| 22:45.35 | Hugle | anyone knows FTP where I can upload 3-5 mb. I wanna test my shaper setup. I user my_county/non_my_country shaper... and wanna test non_my_country shaper. anyone ? |
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| 22:45.50 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, one way or another |
| 22:46.02 | websdale | si|vercat: this is obviously one of those endless googling issues - maybe a usenet group or similar could help? |
| 22:46.15 | cthulfuego | Hugle: ANy remote /incoming dir? |
| 22:46.18 | jcurry | Hugle, use oth.net to find an ftp warez server with an upload dir |
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| 22:46.28 | bender-rw- | si|vercat: you have to map your scrollwheel buttons to 4 5 usind xmodmap |
| 22:46.35 | Hugle | cthulfuego: yes |
| 22:47.14 | bender-rw- | e.g. "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 4 5" in .Xmodmap |
| 22:47.31 | bender-rw- | si|vercat: thats for my 12 button mouse (mx1000) |
| 22:47.41 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, that website is dead anyway. |
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| 22:48.12 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, sorry bout that, connection is laggy, and I thought it was just me |
| 22:48.24 | KB1FYR | hooray, everything works! |
| 22:48.41 | SaidinUnleashed | \o/ for KB1FYR |
| 22:48.51 | ^c | @cigar KB1FYR |
| 22:48.52 | KB1FYR | woo |
| 22:49.01 | si|vercat | bender-rw-, I have that in .xinit, does it have to be Xmodmap?.. I also have an MX-1000.. |
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| 22:50.48 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 22:51.02 | bender-rw- | si|vercat: i use .Xmodmap for that, i dunno about .xinit |
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| 22:51.13 | sundial | is 'kernel: no module symbols loaded -kernel modules not enabled' something to worry about - everything seems to be working just fine |
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| 22:52.07 | pipeline | si|vercat: Hmm, clearly your mouse has weeeird button mappings. Have you experimented with values for ZAxisMapping? |
| 22:52.09 | bender-rw- | si|vercat: but i guess you would have to call 'xmodmap <some options>' in .xinit instead of just the 'pointer='-line for it to work |
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| 22:52.20 | si|vercat | bender-rw-, what protocol do you use? |
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| 22:52.43 | bender-rw- | si|vercat: evdev |
| 22:53.02 | Kvisle | I got some problems getting my sound-card up and running - "0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller" - does anyone here know which module I need, or what I have to do to get this working? |
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| 22:53.22 | si|vercat | of course :P |
| 22:53.37 | si|vercat | pipeline, no.. :P |
| 22:53.49 | si|vercat | hmm |
| 22:53.58 | si|vercat | bender-rw-, you might be right.. :) I'll brb.. |
| 22:54.35 | bender-rw- | si|vercat: just call xmodmap .Xmodmap and try |
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| 22:54.47 | chfn | Hi Guys, Dont you know if theres a ready made bash script to compare different versions (intro directory) and shows it? |
| 22:55.23 | RedPenguin | I do understand this |
| 22:55.30 | RedPenguin | My router unblocks every single port |
| 22:55.35 | RedPenguin | I have the machine DMZed |
| 22:55.43 | RedPenguin | But the router still refuses port 80? |
| 22:55.45 | bender-rw- | chfn: diff -r? |
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| 22:55.53 | RedPenguin | Even if I turn off Block WAN Request? |
| 22:56.04 | RedPenguin | And even try forwarding it plus the DMZ |
| 22:56.08 | RedPenguin | It used to work |
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| 22:56.12 | RedPenguin | But after a firmware upgrade |
| 22:56.14 | chfn | ben_d, will I able to compare between two directories ? |
| 22:56.14 | RedPenguin | It went odd |
| 22:56.39 | Defenestrator | RedPenguin: could your ISP maybe be blocking it? |
| 22:57.01 | RedPenguin | Maybe, but why would they not block any other ports like 21? |
| 22:57.04 | bender-rw- | chfn: try it and see if you like its output |
| 22:57.10 | RedPenguin | And how can you tell excatly that they are the blockers? |
| 22:57.19 | chfn | bender-rw-, :* |
| 22:57.23 | chfn | bender-rw-, thanks |
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| 22:57.36 | draconian | Kvisle: do you have alsa-oss or alsa-utils? if so try alsaconf |
| 22:57.52 | Kvisle | draconian: I did try alsaconf, it doesn't find anything =\ |
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| 22:58.03 | bender-rw- | RedPenguin: use ethereal and look at the tcp-rst or icmp you get |
| 22:58.15 | chfn | bender-rw-, |
| 22:58.18 | chfn | thanks |
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| 22:59.05 | draconian | was the sound working before? |
| 22:59.34 | Kvisle | draconian: not in any linux on this motherboard as far as I have tried, but in windows, yes |
| 22:59.51 | GauntletWizard | I'm trying to get X running, but xinit exits complaining that there's no useable screens. |
| 22:59.58 | dgc | can someone point me at a tutorial, mini-howto, or other document on how to set up a diskfull client with debian? |
| 23:00.16 | draconian | Kvisle: did you apt-get install alsa-oss alsa-utils ? |
| 23:00.28 | Flimzy | dgc: uhm... how does that differ from "How to install Debian"? |
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| 23:00.56 | Flimzy | dgc: Any standard Debian installation is a "Diskfull client". |
| 23:01.21 | dgc | Flimzy: diskfull as opposed to diskless, meaning a box that has it's own kernel and local writable files but gets all executables and shared files from a master server |
| 23:01.37 | Kvisle | draconian: yes I did - but aumix failes when trying to open the mixer too - so oss does clearly not work either |
| 23:01.41 | dgc | Flimzy: a'la Sun's server/workstation model |
| 23:01.42 | draconian | Kvisle: then do alsaconf and you'll have to restart, that's what I had to do when I set up Sarge |
| 23:01.48 | RedPenguin | This is what I get |
| 23:01.54 | RedPenguin | If I type in http://zeroone.is-a-geek.org/ I get my site |
| 23:01.54 | Flimzy | dgc: So you want NFS-mouned /usr, /var, and /home? |
| 23:01.56 | Kvisle | draconian: I did that already =\ |
| 23:01.58 | Flimzy | dgc: Or do you want to run an X client? |
| 23:01.58 | RedPenguin | If anyone types it in, no one gets the site |
| 23:02.01 | draconian | damn |
| 23:02.04 | draconian | what kernel? |
| 23:02.05 | RedPenguin | Why would even I get the site if my ISP blocks it? |
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| 23:02.10 | Kvisle | draconian: 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 23:02.20 | dgc | Flimzy: I probably want a local /var |
| 23:02.31 | Kvisle | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 23:02.34 | Kvisle | yep |
| 23:02.34 | draconian | alsamixer |
| 23:02.45 | Kvisle | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 23:02.48 | Flimzy | dgc: Sun probably has many server/workstation models... The typical Unix workstation model, tho, you don't use remote executables and shared files... you only run a local X display, and all the executables run elsewhere |
| 23:02.58 | dgc | Flimzy: but then, I imagine there's a few caveats I'm not considering, which is why I'm looking for a refference |
| 23:03.07 | bender-rw- | RedPenguin: depending on your setup, because your request does not go throug any of theirs systems |
| 23:03.11 | Kvisle | draconian: you should also note that when I have booted the OS, there are no modules loaded with the name "snd" in them |
| 23:03.20 | Flimzy | dgc: All you do is install the files necessary to run X, then tell it to connect to a remote *dm server. |
| 23:03.26 | pipeline | FlimFlamMan, dgc: I think you're describing an X terminal. |
| 23:03.33 | RedPenguin | So thier is no way, unless you tell your ISP about it, to get it unbloacked? |
| 23:03.37 | Flimzy | pipeline: I know I am. |
| 23:03.39 | RedPenguin | Unless of course you hack it, but I mean legally |
| 23:03.39 | draconian | hmm |
| 23:03.43 | dgc | Flimzy: that's an insane model for a workstation; a terminal, sure, but a workstation that runs processor intensive or display intensive applications needs to be local |
| 23:03.44 | Flimzy | pipeline: I'm not sure if that's what dgc has in mind or not. |
| 23:03.51 | Kvisle | draconian: however, "snd-cmipci" loads several modules ... and "looks" to be working ... but obviously is not |
| 23:04.04 | RedPenguin | I don't get how my ISP could be blocking it though |
| 23:04.04 | pipeline | dgc: Yes, that's a pretty typical way to run a lab full of workstations. Or it was about ten years ago. |
| 23:04.08 | RedPenguin | A couple of days ago |
| 23:04.17 | Flimzy | dgc: Okay. Well that's why I was asking you to clarify your question. |
| 23:04.21 | RedPenguin | This problem was for a while |
| 23:04.22 | pipeline | dgc: You would have / be local, then /usr would be centrally managed and /home would be out on the network. |
| 23:04.27 | bender-rw- | RedPenguin: other options include switching isp or renting a server somewhere :) |
| 23:04.36 | pipeline | dgc: Settings would be local, executables were remotely stored and locally executed. |
| 23:04.41 | RedPenguin | bender-rw-, this is the thing |
| 23:04.48 | RedPenguin | I had SME Server on the machine before Debian |
| 23:04.50 | RedPenguin | Same router config |
| 23:04.52 | Flimzy | dgc: To do that, I don't know of a specific howto. If one exists, it's probably in the LDP. |
| 23:05.00 | RedPenguin | And I had a working web server and had access to it |
| 23:05.03 | RedPenguin | Though |
| 23:05.03 | draconian | Kvisle: I dunno man, gimme a sec |
| 23:05.12 | RedPenguin | I had the problem with refusing on port 80 a while while back |
| 23:05.20 | Kvisle | draconian: it's supposed to be a "realtek acl861", if that helps you |
| 23:05.37 | RedPenguin | I don't get it though, why it was blocked then unblocked then blocked again |
| 23:05.40 | bender-rw- | RedPenguin: maybe you should call your isp and ask them |
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| 23:05.48 | Flimzy | dgc: To do it efficiently, you'll probably have to violate a lot of Debian filesystem standards. |
| 23:06.02 | RedPenguin | But I am going to try to see if it is indeed my ISP |
| 23:06.11 | dgc | Flimzy: I'm betting that I won't; espeacially if the server is also debian |
| 23:06.15 | pipeline | Flimzy, dgc: The easiest way to do it is to have an NFS-rooted debian to boot, then mount the local /etc and /var after the system is running. |
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| 23:07.38 | dgc | pipeline: yeah, that sounds reasonable |
| 23:07.55 | pipeline | dgc: Heh, it's a bit overkill, but it's easy. And easy is what's important :) |
| 23:08.04 | dgc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:08.31 | pipeline | dgc: I don't think Debian maintains the strict distinction between root and /usr that FreeBSD and NetBSD do. Nobody has done the local-/, remote-/usr thing on a regular basis in so long, you see. |
| 23:08.40 | Flimzy | dgc: I'm not sure, off the top of my head, how you would mantain a networked /usr, and local /var, and keep them in sync over multiple boxes with potentially different Debian packages. Of course if all the workstations have identical hardware and software, then that eliminates that problem. |
| 23:08.56 | dgc | I figure we've got pleanty of local bandwidth, so it probably won't matter how much stuff is mounted remotely; I just don't want processes stepping on log files, etc. |
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| 23:09.28 | Flimzy | dgc: If you have identical hardware/software on all the machines, I would create a "master" workstation, with everything stored locally, then rsync to the nfs root and all the other workstations whenever a software update occurs, to ensure all the systems remain in sync. |
| 23:09.45 | pipeline | Flimzy, dgc: Well, the idea in having a remote /usr is to keep all of your packages identical. |
| 23:09.51 | dgc | Flimzy: well, most stuff in var ought to be generated by processes that use it |
| 23:10.13 | Flimzy | dgc: _most_ |
| 23:10.17 | pipeline | dgc: If you're hellbent on doing it this way, and not doing a full NFS root with local /home, I suggest you use FreeBSD or NetBSD. |
| 23:10.25 | Flimzy | dgc: An obvious exception would probably be the dpkg database, etc. |
| 23:10.29 | pipeline | dgc: Seriously, you should either go whole hog or pick up an OS that was designed with this in mind. |
| 23:10.34 | dgc | pipeline: yes, and that's sort of the point of doing this in the first place; I want to maintain _one_ machine, not a dozen |
| 23:10.35 | bucky | dgc, you don't wan't linux.. you want Plan 9 |
| 23:10.36 | Flimzy | dgc: Assuming you're mantaining identical software configurations |
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| 23:10.52 | saerdna | does x.org work well with debian? |
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| 23:11.05 | PerfDave | !topicsmite saerdna |
| 23:11.06 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon saerdna. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:11.06 | GauntletWizard | could someone help me figure out why Xinit doesn't find any of my screens as "Useable"? |
| 23:11.09 | pipeline | dgc: Oh, then it's easy as pie. Just have a master NFS filesystem that serves as root for all of them. Mount a tmpfs /var and /etc to hold temporary changes. |
| 23:11.10 | dgc | bucky: plan9 doesn't really have the right characteristics though |
| 23:11.11 | PeterPan | _ |
| 23:11.12 | Flimzy | dgc: I suggest a different model, actually... one they use at a local univ with Debian-based workstations: |
| 23:11.27 | pipeline | dgc: I thought you wanted specifically to have a much more complicated setup. |
| 23:11.29 | dgc | bucky: if one node is offline, I don't want to lose it's disk |
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| 23:11.45 | PeterPan | _ * |
| 23:11.46 | bucky | run a cluster |
| 23:11.46 | Flimzy | dgc: Run Debian workstations, and a local debian mirror. In your local mirror, drop your own configs etc into .deb packages, and have the workstations automatically dist-upgrade each night |
| 23:12.08 | Flimzy | dgc: By running your own mirror, you control what gets updated and what doesn't |
| 23:12.10 | saerdna | (t |
| 23:12.25 | dgc | Flimzy: already doing that; it's a pain to maintain; espeacially when a package comes along that needs configuration |
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| 23:12.30 | Flimzy | dgc: And when you need to make a config change to all the workstations, test it on one, then put the change in your new localconfig-fobar.deb |
| 23:12.57 | PeterPan | - |
| 23:13.05 | saerdna | okey |
| 23:13.14 | saerdna | so whats so much better with xorg than xfree? |
| 23:13.16 | Flimzy | dgc: I don't see how what you're suggesting makes configuration any easier. You still have to config the package and test it on your workstation. The only difference is that you install it once on a server, rather than dump it into your local deb mirror |
| 23:13.25 | SaidinUnleashed | saerdna, nothing |
| 23:13.30 | saerdna | =D |
| 23:13.34 | SaidinUnleashed | saerdna, xorg runs slower |
| 23:13.39 | pipeline | saerdna: It's uh, newer. That's it. The Debian XF86 has all of the newer drivers backported to it, so there's really no point. |
| 23:13.48 | dgc | Flimzy: I have to make sure the dist-upgrade runs on all the clients |
| 23:14.09 | Flimzy | dgc: Are the clients all identical? |
| 23:14.17 | dgc | Flimzy: and if for some reason it doesn't, I have to tell the user to do it manually or go over and do it myself |
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| 23:14.26 | Biovore | anyone have some experiance with the ATI drivers for X11? They any good for gaming? |
| 23:14.29 | Flimzy | dgc: or ssh in and do it yourself |
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| 23:14.44 | Flimzy | Biovore: is X11 any good for gaming? |
| 23:14.44 | zinx | Biovore: which games? |
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| 23:14.51 | dgc | Flimzy: close enough to identical; a couple machines have nvidia drivers, but those users are clueful |
| 23:14.53 | Biovore | ut2k4 |
| 23:14.59 | Biovore | using nvidia right now.. |
| 23:15.05 | zinx | Biovore: it will be slower than nVidia |
| 23:15.15 | Biovore | ah.. ok.. thats what i figured.. |
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| 23:15.22 | SaidinUnleashed | Biovore, no, the ati drivers, when they work, are really choppy |
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| 23:15.57 | Flimzy | dgc: Well, I don't think I have any further advice I can offer beyond what pipeline and I have already said. I hope you find a good solution. |
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| 23:17.11 | dgc | Flimzy: okay; I guess I can afford a little trial and error |
| 23:18.44 | PerfDave | X11 is fine for gaming, with an nVidia card and the non-free drivers. |
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| 23:19.24 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, Do you know if I want the pci driver? |
| 23:19.26 | SilentBob | I do right? |
| 23:19.32 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Sorta. The X11 model really isn't very ideal for high-bandwidth video throughput to begin with. |
| 23:19.45 | PerfDave | Flimzy: This is why we have DRI :) |
| 23:19.59 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Yup... that's why we have to use ugly hacks :P |
| 23:20.04 | si|vercat | I get this weird error which causes my gnome-panel to not start.. can I reset the panel to a default somehow? |
| 23:20.11 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, is it a pci card? |
| 23:20.19 | PerfDave | Flimzy: DRI works just fine. And I get better refresh rates than I used to in Windows. |
| 23:20.40 | Flimzy | PerfDave: On the two games that exist for both X11 and Windows :P |
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| 23:20.48 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, It's the card I told you. |
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| 23:20.55 | PerfDave | Flimzy: There are a few more than two. |
| 23:20.59 | SilentBob | It's a wireless orinoco |
| 23:21.03 | SilentBob | I put it in the side of my laptop |
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| 23:21.16 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Very few |
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| 23:21.24 | PerfDave | Flimzy: *shrug* Enough to keep me happy. |
| 23:21.29 | jharrison | SilentBob: wireless orinoco pci? |
| 23:21.34 | SaidinUnleashed | SilentBob, you want the cardbus/pcmcia driver |
| 23:21.34 | SaidinUnleashed | a'ight food time |
| 23:21.41 | SilentBob | SaidinUnleashed, k, thanks |
| 23:21.43 | directhex | Flimzy, to be fair, there are closer to 20 commerical games on linux && widnows |
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| 23:21.47 | anapivirtua | lo all |
| 23:21.49 | anapivirtua | french ? |
| 23:21.49 | Flimzy | PerfDave: hehe. Speaking of games... I need to get the Linux Neverwinter Nights client working... hopefully it will be more stable than the Win32 version |
| 23:21.50 | Saidin[food] | jharrison, it's not really an orinoco card |
| 23:21.56 | jharrison | oh |
| 23:21.58 | jharrison | that sucks |
| 23:21.59 | PerfDave | Flimzy: No idea, not played it. |
| 23:22.01 | Saidin[food] | jharrison, long story |
| 23:22.03 | jharrison | orinoco is nice stuff |
| 23:22.12 | Flimzy | directhex: I'm sure there are more than that. Of course, that depends on how far back you want to go. |
| 23:22.21 | cthulfuego | With the 0.15 driver off savannah it is, yes |
| 23:22.31 | directhex | Flimzy, taking Doom as the first commerical linux game, from 1994 |
| 23:23.08 | dgc | okay, silly question: my boss isn't impressed with dd/cdrecord; is there a cd cloning utility anyone would like to recommend? |
| 23:23.26 | PerfDave | dgc: k3b has a shiny frontend... |
| 23:23.32 | robl^ | k3b!! |
| 23:23.35 | directhex | k3b |
| 23:23.37 | dgc | heh |
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| 23:23.49 | hmmhesays | ok, wtf is going on i change my runlevel and debian still boots to the graphical login |
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| 23:23.51 | dgc | funny, I was just apt-geting it |
| 23:23.54 | directhex | !runlevel |
| 23:23.54 | dpkg | from memory, runlevel is 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
| 23:23.56 | Flimzy | directhex: If there's only 20 counting Doom, that's pretty sad |
| 23:23.57 | robl^ | k3b -- Linux ain't ugly any more! |
| 23:24.01 | nazim | connect irc.freenode.net |
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| 23:24.20 | Flimzy | directhex: b/c there are thousands for Windows since 1994 |
| 23:24.23 | hmmhesays | haha |
| 23:24.25 | websdale | si|vercat: did you have any joy with xmodmap |
| 23:24.40 | hmmhesays | I SAID i changed my runlevel and it did not work |
| 23:24.45 | hmmhesays | grrr |
| 23:24.47 | si|vercat | websdale, well my gnome-panel decided to crash on me.. |
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| 23:25.23 | l1fetime | is there a linuxconf-like tool built into debian already? for managing services and such? |
| 23:25.29 | l1fetime | command line |
| 23:25.29 | xam | !tell hmmhesays about nodm |
| 23:25.43 | si|vercat | how can I reset my gnome-panel to defaults? fail-safe-gnome didn't help :P |
| 23:25.46 | dondelelcaro | l1fetime: we call it an $EDITOR |
| 23:25.47 | hmmhesays | haha |
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| 23:25.50 | dgc | d'oh! accidently got "k3d" |
| 23:25.52 | hmmhesays | thanks |
| 23:26.07 | directhex | Flimzy, let's see. doom 1,2,3, quake 1,2,3, unreal tournament 99, 2003, 2004, neverwinter nights, medal of honor, return to castle wolfenstein, uplink, wolfenstein enemy territory, savage, serious sam 1st encounter, 2nd, darwinia, creatures, alpha centauri, civilisation call to power. have i forgotten anything relevant? |
| 23:26.12 | dgc | spiffy tutorial though |
| 23:26.14 | l1fetime | oh like i don't know anything about linux cuz i ask a simple question... |
| 23:26.26 | GauntletWizard | What exactly does xinit mean when it says "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration", beyond the obvious? |
| 23:26.32 | dgc | I went through five or six frames before I realized it had nothing to do with disk burning |
| 23:26.34 | l1fetime | did it take you longer to think of an insult or the answer? |
| 23:26.43 | cthulfuego | !noscreensfound |
| 23:26.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 23:27.38 | Flimzy | directhex: That's 21. But I would consider Doom 1 - Quake 2, at the very least, irrelevant by now. Perhaps Civ2 CTP as well. |
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| 23:27.39 | GauntletWizard | that's really amazingly useful for a bot. |
| 23:27.40 | directhex | Flimzy, i think doom 1 is certainly relevant, as an official linux port in 1994 |
| 23:27.45 | dondelelcaro | l1fetime: I haven't insulted you yet, actually. An $EDITOR is actually what you're going to use to do configuration in Debian (or any sane distribution for that matter) |
| 23:27.51 | websdale | si|vercat: (sorry I've been away) - what- you only started getting this after you did the xmodmap stuff ?- what is the error? |
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| 23:28.17 | si|vercat | websdale, no this is probably something I screwed up earlier when I accidentally lost a panel, then rebuilt it.. :P |
| 23:28.33 | Flimzy | directhex: Historically relevant, sure. But practically, I don't consider a 10-year-old game to be relevant. At least not as a comparison of game availability on different platforms. |
| 23:28.37 | directhex | Flimzy, http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/a,1/?o=1 is more generous than i am, though includes a lot of open-source stuff |
| 23:28.39 | si|vercat | websdale, said something about separator.. |
| 23:28.40 | l1fetime | you know what im talkign about...a simple setup program after a fresh install that i could use on a machine w/ no monitor |
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| 23:28.46 | l1fetime | w/o vnc |
| 23:28.58 | Flimzy | directhex: I think the "Doom 1 works on Linux" argument is a bit like OS/2 Warp's argument that it can run DOS 1.0 applications and Win 95 cant. :P |
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| 23:29.34 | websdale | si|vercat: maybe you should remove the panel altogether & start again |
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| 23:29.53 | directhex | Flimzy, look at doom 3, ut2004, savage or darwinia for modern games which can be compared between platforms, then |
| 23:30.05 | si|vercat | websdale, is it dangerous to delete the .gconf/apps/panel folder? :P |
| 23:30.19 | Flimzy | directhex: Yeah, I would consider those very relevant. But still very low in number. |
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| 23:30.52 | directhex | Flimzy, don't blame me, blame The Man (tm) |
| 23:30.53 | |ac3| | how can i enable quota for ldap users? |
| 23:30.58 | Flimzy | directhex: hehe |
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| 23:31.26 | PerfDave | Right. I've got a former ext2 filesystem which has died horribly due to my system hanging while resizing the fs. All I can see in it is /lost+found, but e2fsck says "11/23842992 files, 2995628/48628755 blocks" which makes me hope that the data is there somewhere. Any idea how I can recover it? |
| 23:31.40 | si|vercat | websdale, problem is that the panel is gone so gnome is basically useless atm.. all I can do is start a terminal by right-clicking the desktop :P |
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| 23:32.27 | holy_cow | hey all |
| 23:32.30 | |ac3| | PerfDave: r-studio |
| 23:32.58 | holy_cow | what does it mean when debconf refuses to install during d-i installs and dist-upgrade from woody in general terms? |
| 23:33.19 | dondelelcaro | holy_cow: what is the output? [paste into #flood or with the paster bot] |
| 23:33.23 | holy_cow | debconf is the part that helps packages figure out what needs to be installed or not? |
| 23:33.41 | holy_cow | sec |
| 23:33.59 | Flimzy | holy_cow: d-i installs? |
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| 23:34.06 | PerfDave | |ac3|: What is that? It doesn't seem to be in apt-cache |
| 23:34.38 | si|vercat | websdale, Gtk-WARNING **: Ignoring the separator setting <- the error msg :P |
| 23:35.18 | holy_cow | flimzy no |
| 23:35.20 | holy_cow | :/ |
| 23:35.35 | Flimzy | holy_cow: no what? |
| 23:35.41 | holy_cow | my appologies |
| 23:35.47 | holy_cow | d-i fails to install too |
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| 23:36.10 | GauntletWizard | what does the line "(EE) VESA(0): VM86() syscall generated signal 4" in my x logfile mean? |
| 23:36.11 | Flimzy | holy_cow: what do you mean by "d-i"? |
| 23:36.11 | holy_cow | specifically at the base install ( right after partitioning ) when debconf is being installed |
| 23:36.23 | holy_cow | i mean via d-i installer |
| 23:36.43 | bwalls | can anyone help me install radeon 9600 pro drivers in linux? |
| 23:36.53 | bwalls | debian* |
| 23:36.59 | resiak | !ati |
| 23:36.59 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 23:37.04 | PerfDave | bwalls: Ask directhex, he loves it ;) |
| 23:37.11 | resiak | !tell bwalls about ati drivers |
| 23:37.13 | Flimzy | holy_cow: Okay, well I still have no idea what "d-i" means |
| 23:37.24 | resiak | Flimzy: The debian installer... |
| 23:37.37 | holy_cow | Flimzy, is this a rhetorical question? |
| 23:37.41 | si|vercat | how do I revert my gnome-panel back to default? |
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| 23:37.44 | streuner_ | !d-i |
| 23:37.44 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 23:37.50 | Flimzy | resiak: gotcha |
| 23:37.56 | holy_cow | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:37.57 | holy_cow | that |
| 23:38.02 | holy_cow | sarges installer |
| 23:38.39 | holy_cow | lol |
| 23:38.50 | holy_cow | i posted in flood, anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:38.55 | streuner_ | moo! |
| 23:39.01 | holy_cow | hey streuner :) |
| 23:39.14 | bwalls | help!? |
| 23:39.17 | websdale | si|vercat:have you looked at the settings in gconf? |
| 23:39.21 | holy_cow | it looks like perl fails to compile |
| 23:39.34 | resiak | holy_cow: You're not compiling as you install. |
| 23:39.39 | resiak | bwalls: I showed you instructions. |
| 23:40.16 | holy_cow | according to the error message, perl seems to be |
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| 23:40.22 | Alex | hi |
| 23:40.24 | caphuso | resiak: he means perl is failing to compile some script |
| 23:40.30 | holy_cow | of course your not compiling, i think perl is doing whatever it is perl is doing |
| 23:40.34 | holy_cow | what caphuso said |
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| 23:40.37 | Alex | how do I log out of the display manager and get to the console? |
| 23:40.45 | caphuso | Alex: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 23:40.53 | Alex | ty |
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| 23:41.07 | adjacent | crtl-alt-f7 to get back ;) |
| 23:41.13 | Alex | hehe |
| 23:41.26 | Alex | alt-right arrow got me back |
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| 23:41.39 | carrett | hey. my email provider only works over smtp, but i can't see a way to get reportbug to use ssmtp instead of smtp, anyone have a clue? |
| 23:41.51 | carrett | only works over ssmtp |
| 23:41.53 | carrett | ugh |
| 23:41.55 | resiak | caphuso: Ah, I see. Ignore me. |
| 23:41.59 | Alex | er, left arrow |
| 23:42.07 | SexyKen | Hey guys is there a such thing as a cable modem that's capable of 3997 kbytes/second? |
| 23:42.09 | holy_cow | http://woonjas.linuxnerd.org/stuff/debconf-error.txt <-- error message in easier format to read than #flood |
| 23:42.14 | si|vercat | websdale, you mean gnome-control-center? |
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| 23:42.20 | adjacent | SexyKen: sure |
| 23:42.39 | SexyKen | How many megabits would 3997kbytes/second be? |
| 23:42.49 | adjacent | SexyKen: its been a while since i checked, but i think coax currently peaks around 37Mbps |
| 23:42.53 | Alex | I need to shut off the xserver to work on something, how do I do that? |
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| 23:43.08 | adjacent | google: 3997 kbits to megabits |
| 23:43.09 | Alex | I need to tell it to use a different video card |
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| 23:43.37 | ^c | wouldn't it be around 3997 megabits |
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| 23:43.47 | ^c | err never mind I'm stupid |
| 23:43.48 | otje | or 3997 kilobits to megabits |
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| 23:44.21 | adjacent | otje: yeh. =) |
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| 23:44.39 | ^c | around 30 megabits no? |
| 23:44.40 | adjacent | google calc is great though |
| 23:44.47 | adjacent | ^c: no |
| 23:44.48 | otje | yes, better then ^c :] |
| 23:44.50 | thechitowncubs | When I try to patch the kernel with this: sudo patch -p1 < /home/steve/patch-2.6.7-prism54-1.2 |
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| 23:44.56 | adjacent | haha |
| 23:44.57 | thechitowncubs | it comes up with : File to patch: (what should I put here?) |
| 23:45.03 | Alex | Anyone? |
| 23:45.33 | ^c | I only have 10 fingers |
| 23:45.33 | kombi | people, how do I make grub boot my new kernel as default? |
| 23:45.33 | adjacent | alex, ps for the xserver pid and kil -9 it |
| 23:45.39 | Alex | ok |
| 23:45.42 | adjacent | might be a cleaner way though |
| 23:45.45 | Alex | thnx, byes... |
| 23:45.52 | caphuso | thechitowncubs: ctrl-c |
| 23:45.57 | Sadus | r |
| 23:46.08 | ^c | 3 997 kilobytes = 31.2265625 megabits , from google |
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| 23:46.14 | ^c | 3997 kilobytes = 31.2265625 megabits , from google |
| 23:46.23 | chrisb89 | what does the mode "pi" mean in dpkg? |
| 23:46.24 | thechitowncubs | caphuso what? |
| 23:46.29 | adjacent | ^c: kilobits |
| 23:46.34 | kombi | I'am used to lilo, how does grub do it? |
| 23:46.41 | caphuso | thechitowncubs: that's what you need to put there. ctrl-c |
| 23:46.44 | ^c | oh, oops |
| 23:46.52 | thechitowncubs | type it or do it? |
| 23:46.52 | carrett | hey. my email provider only works over ssmtp, but i can't see a way to get reportbug to use ssmtp instead of smtp, anyone have a clue? |
| 23:46.53 | adjacent | ^c: speed is in bits, size is in bytes |
| 23:47.21 | caphuso | thechitowncubs: you either used the wrong strip level or you are in the wrong directory or you are trying to apply a patch for something else |
| 23:47.22 | otje | I always thought speed was bit or byes per second, and size in bits or bytes |
| 23:47.32 | ^c | adjacent: a byte = 8 bits |
| 23:47.33 | bwalls | hey im stuck in 800x600 mode any way to fix? |
| 23:47.47 | thechitowncubs | can't find file to patch at input line 4 |
| 23:47.56 | holy_cow | bwalls, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree 86 |
| 23:47.58 | thechitowncubs | i just downloaded it from the prism54.org website |
| 23:48.02 | holy_cow | bwalls, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 even |
| 23:48.02 | thechitowncubs | so do i have to modify it? |
| 23:48.09 | adjacent | ^c: really? |
| 23:48.10 | kombi | where is grub's config file? |
| 23:48.14 | si|vercat | how do I revert my gnome-panel settings to default? |
| 23:48.17 | holy_cow | or config your /etc/X11/x11configfile |
| 23:48.20 | ^c | adjacent: yes really |
| 23:49.03 | thechitowncubs | nvm |
| 23:49.04 | thechitowncubs | i got it |
| 23:49.05 | thechitowncubs | thanks |
| 23:49.40 | adjacent | yes. i know. but transfer speed is refered to in bits, or kbits, or mbits, and size is measured in bytes, or kB, etc. |
| 23:50.23 | adjacent | so a cable modem doing 3776 kb is always going to mean kilobits, even if Word decides to make it lower case for you. |
| 23:50.26 | websdale | si|vercat: maybe you could reinstall gnome-panel & purge the config files-if you're the only user |
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| 23:51.44 | nkuttler | si|vercat: try mv .gconf* and .gnome* backup/ |
| 23:51.49 | otje | adjacent: that's just convention, there's nothing wrong in saying your modem does blabla bytes/second |
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| 23:51.58 | adjacent | ok |
| 23:52.04 | otje | doing 3776 kb is sloppy, you mean 3776 kb/s |
| 23:52.20 | ^c | adjacent: you don't have to measure them in that method, I for one choose to use words = 2 bytes |
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| 23:52.51 | si|vercat | nkuttler, I'll try that.. |
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| 23:52.52 | si|vercat | brb |
| 23:52.54 | carrett | hey. my email provider only works over smtps, but i can't see a way to get reportbug to use smtps instead of smtp, anyone have a clue? |
| 23:52.55 | adjacent | ^c: thats great. but youll get laughed at in the industry =) conventions are there for a reason |
| 23:52.56 | Flimzy | otje: The problem with that is that "byte" _can_ have different meanings. Although it generally means 8 bits, in the context of data transfers, it can mean anywhere from 6 bits to 16 bits, and probably any other number of bits as well. |
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| 23:53.18 | ^c | adjacent: nibbles are even better, they = 4 bits |
| 23:53.25 | websdale | si|vercat: remember to logout & back in again after |
| 23:53.34 | Flimzy | carrett: Then don't use your mail provider to send mail :P |
| 23:53.36 | otje | Flimzy: ok |
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| 23:53.51 | adjacent | heh. thats good. my internet connection is one meganibble up =) hahaha |
| 23:53.59 | carrett | Flimzy: shouldn't reportbug be able to do smtps? |
| 23:54.04 | Flimzy | otje: in ASCII, a byte has 7 bits. In Unicode, a byte has 16 bits. |
| 23:54.08 | sobersabre | anybody tried sarge on itaniumX2 zx6000 workstation ? |
| 23:54.11 | carrett | Flimzy: I mean, it couldn't hurt |
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| 23:54.27 | Flimzy | carrett: I dunno. You could always install your own MTA that supports smtps and does forwarding for you. |
| 23:54.28 | caphuso | Flimzy: that's characters, not bytes |
| 23:54.34 | adjacent | heh. im going to put that on sales forms if i ca slide it past the marketing guys ;) geat description |
| 23:54.44 | carrett | Flimzy: but installing MTAs is a pain |
| 23:54.48 | carrett | :-P |
| 23:54.52 | detritus | for some odd reason, i cannot compile any kernel I try, whether it's with the debian patches or the stock kernel. see #flood for compile error output. |
| 23:54.54 | andi5 | Flimzy: you mean UTF-16? |
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| 23:55.15 | ^c | adjacent: thats a lot of nibbles. |
| 23:55.20 | si|vercat | well that didn't work.. |
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| 23:55.23 | Flimzy | caphuso: the terms "byte" and "character" are often interchangable (and often not) |
| 23:55.25 | R4Ndom | How do I install a .bin file? |
| 23:55.36 | Appo | Hello people |
| 23:55.37 | Flimzy | R4Ndom: You probably don't. |
| 23:55.45 | zinx | Flimzy: a modern byte is always exactly 8 bits |
| 23:55.45 | caphuso | Flimzy: they are about completely uninterchangeable in unicode, which is by definition a multibyte encoding scheme |
| 23:55.48 | sobersabre | is USB support bug fixed in current debian installer for ia64? |
| 23:55.53 | adjacent | R4Ndom: probably sh blah.bin |
| 23:55.53 | citral | reading stupid useless flaming posts on usenet about a "best" unix flavor, I was wondering about a better question: what does the commercial unix flavors (HP-UX, Solaris) bring more, except support, than free unix flavors (linux, *bsd) ? Other said, what do you pay so much for? |
| 23:55.54 | nkuttler | si|vercat: it should. log out of x, do it on the command line, log into x |
| 23:56.02 | andi5 | R4Ndom: execute it with relative or absolute path, probably ./file.bin will do the job |
| 23:56.14 | si|vercat | okay.. |
| 23:56.15 | Flimzy | R4Ndom: Altho .bin has different meanings, and it's possible that some .bin file is actually installable. |
| 23:56.15 | si|vercat | brb |
| 23:56.20 | Isil`Zha | hi. is there a voice chat server package for debian which allows windows clients? |
| 23:56.31 | Flimzy | caphuso: Very well. I'll give you that one... seeing as I admitedly know very little about unicode |
| 23:56.37 | R4Ndom | Would I type anything in the terminal? |
| 23:56.42 | zinx | Flimzy: and the full unicode character space requires 32 bits :/ (UCS-4), or some encoding scheme (UTF-8, UTF-16) |
| 23:56.44 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: GnomeMeeting can talk to NetMeeting |
| 23:56.48 | andi5 | R4Ndom: if it is not executable, do "chmod +x file.bin" before it :) |
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| 23:56.49 | detritus | Isil`Zha: asterisk-h323? |
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| 23:56.54 | zinx | Flimzy: Windows uses UCS-2, which can't support the full 32-bit space :P~ |
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| 23:57.03 | Flimzy | zinx: fun |
| 23:57.10 | sobersabre | citral, Solaris supports better SMP than linux on sparcs more than 2-3 way machines... as i have heard. |
| 23:57.13 | Appo | 8 Feb 18:57:08 ntpdate[31020]: adjust time server 62.4.16.80 offset 0.014777 sec |
| 23:57.16 | Appo | I have a problem with an US server ... I want to put it with GMT time but ntpdate can't change it's time ... Have you an idea ? (I use commad ntpdate ntp.nreim;net & have this awser : 8 Feb 18:57:08 ntpdate[31020]: adjust time server 62.4.16.80 offset 0.014777 sec |
| 23:57.27 | lu | greetings, my cdrom says device busy when i'm root and I use umount -f /cdrom, any clues? |
| 23:57.34 | Appo | But date doesn't change :( |
| 23:57.39 | detritus | for some odd reason, i cannot compile any kernel I try, whether it's with the debian patches or the stock kernel, using make-kpkg and not. see #flood for compile error output. |
| 23:57.46 | vulture | lu: I guess your device is busy.. go find what's using it, and stop it |
| 23:57.47 | carrett | Flimzy: do you know any MTAs that do smtps? |
| 23:57.47 | adjacent | R4Ndom: or just do a sh blah.bin like i said =) |
| 23:58.08 | citral | sobersabre, mmm, special features for hi-tech hardware that would be a good reason |
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| 23:58.23 | carrett | fuck...i'm going to have to use sendmail aren't i? |
| 23:58.24 | Flimzy | carraca: Most/all popular ones I'd imagine would |
| 23:58.25 | lu | i do the ps aux | grep cdrom and the only listing is for grep cdrom? |
| 23:58.51 | Isil`Zha | PerfDave: i guess i need x11 installed for that? |
| 23:58.54 | thechitowncubs | I have a problem when running "make xconfig" in an attempt t compile the kernel: it gives me this garbage. in/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found |
| 23:58.54 | thechitowncubs | thechitowncubs make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 127 |
| 23:58.54 | thechitowncubs | thechitowncubs make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2 |
| 23:58.57 | sobersabre | citral, i am not too familiar with smp thing.. so i give u general direction, sorry. |
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| 23:59.00 | Flimzy | carraca: there are probably easier ones to install |
| 23:59.03 | lu | detritus, i had the same issue until i learned that you have to statically compile ide devices during the configuration |
| 23:59.05 | *** mode/#debian [+l 755] by debhelper |
| 23:59.07 | Flimzy | carraca: You could probably do a webmail thingie... send it via hotmail if nothing else |
| 23:59.07 | Isil`Zha | detritus: sounds interesting. I'll look at this one. thnx ;) |
| 23:59.14 | citral | sobersabre, roger |
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| 23:59.22 | Bols | Appo; :> |
| 23:59.23 | *** part/#debian addi (~arre_st@regulus3.student.uu.se) |
| 23:59.29 | nkuttler | thechitowncubs: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 23:59.38 | Appo | I have a problem with an US server ... I want to put it with GMT time but ntpdate can't change it's time ... Have you an idea ? (I use commad ntpdate ntp.nreim;net & have this awser : 8 Feb 18:57:08 ntpdate[31020]: adjust time server 62.4.16.80 offset 0.014777 sec but date doesn' change .... Anyone have ideas ? |
| 23:59.43 | thechitowncubs | nkuttler: what |
| 23:59.44 | *** part/#debian bwalls (~bwalls@adsl-67-37-225-111.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 23:59.53 | nkuttler | !tell thechitowncubs about kp |
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