| 00:00.11 | detritus | lu: ahh - interesting because i was using the old debian kernel config |
| 00:00.20 | PeterPan | - |
| 00:00.20 | Flimzy | Appo: ntpdate shouldn't care about the timezone. |
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| 00:00.26 | lu | any clues on dilema? cdrom busy with root using umount -f |
| 00:00.31 | Flimzy | Appo: If you want your local time in GMT, set your local timezone to GMT. ntpdate should update accordingly |
| 00:00.37 | Appo | Yes but why doesn't the date change ? |
| 00:00.49 | andi5 | Appo: 0.014777 does not look like a lot of time to change... |
| 00:01.00 | pingouin | if i'm start an screen -U i go for utf-8, i'm loosing the french accent why ? and how get them back ? |
| 00:01.05 | Bols | Appo is gay, don't care :p |
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| 00:01.08 | si|vercat | that worked :P |
| 00:01.16 | Appo | But the server with one I syncronise is in Paris ... So the time HAVE to change ... |
| 00:01.17 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: For what, sorry? |
| 00:01.22 | Piru | appo, no. |
| 00:01.23 | thechitowncubs | I am following this guide: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
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| 00:01.24 | lu | detritus, i don't know if it's the best solution, but I was shown this a two days ago, during menu|x config, make sure ide devices are compiled in statically, can't help if you need an initrd :( |
| 00:01.25 | nkuttler | si|vercat: btw, apt-get install screen irssi-text |
| 00:01.31 | Flimzy | Appo: Unless you run an update at less than 0.014777 seconds before midnight, it wouldn't change the date based on what you just pasted |
| 00:01.35 | Piru | appo, that'd be totally insane |
| 00:01.36 | sobersabre | citral, if they would be so much better,... who would use OSS solutions ? :) |
| 00:01.38 | Isil`Zha | PerfDave: i mean gnomemeeting won't work without gnome |
| 00:01.51 | Piru | appo, all ntp servers work 100% the same, regardless of their physical location |
| 00:01.53 | si|vercat | nkuttler :P |
| 00:01.56 | sobersabre | is here a chan for debian ia64 port ? |
| 00:02.07 | Piru | appo, else there would be total chaos. |
| 00:02.08 | sobersabre | or ppc port ? |
| 00:02.11 | citral | #debian-amd64 |
| 00:02.15 | citral | #debian-ppc |
| 00:02.17 | Flimzy | Appo: In a nutshell, ntp servers and ntp date ignore the timezone, and all convert to/from GMT, so they are consistant with each other. |
| 00:02.24 | sobersabre | citral, not amd itanium ... |
| 00:02.24 | Appo | Piru: Ok ... But my server is in US, the ntpd server in Paris ... time can't be the same ! |
| 00:02.26 | Piru | that'd be #debianppc I think |
| 00:02.33 | Flimzy | Appo: All that matters, with respect to timezones, is how your local machine is set. |
| 00:02.35 | Piru | appo, sigh. get a clue |
| 00:02.37 | lu | thechitowncubs, I've used this configuration process as well to no luck. there has to be some kind of a patch or configuration to mkinitrd.conf and in 3 weeks no one here has given me a lead. |
| 00:02.44 | citral | #debian-ppc is a link to #debianppc right |
| 00:02.45 | Flimzy | Appo: The time is always the same. |
| 00:02.55 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: Yeah, GnomeMeeting is an X application. |
| 00:03.00 | Appo | yes |
| 00:03.02 | thechitowncubs | Hmmm, so I'm basically screwed? |
| 00:03.05 | Tr0gd0r | is there an apt-get for the java plugin for mozilla? |
| 00:03.05 | andi5 | Appo: do you want french time locally? just use some program showing you times in different time zones |
| 00:03.23 | Flimzy | Appo: Unless you want to take into account special and general reletivity... but that's kinda beyond the scope of ntp |
| 00:03.24 | Appo | I want the french local time but using ntpdate |
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| 00:03.31 | lu | no, your not the chitowncubs, try using the classic method. that worked for me. |
| 00:03.40 | Flimzy | Appo: I suppose if you're traveling at near the speed of light, you might have a valid concern. |
| 00:03.43 | Isil`Zha | PerfDave: do you know an application that would work as well not needing x? |
| 00:03.48 | thechitowncubs | What do you mean classic method? |
| 00:03.48 | Piru | appo, then set the proper timezone and be done with it. it has absolutely nothing to do with ntp or ntpdate |
| 00:03.52 | Flimzy | Appo: then set your local timezone to whatever the timezone is in France |
| 00:03.54 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: No idea, sorry. |
| 00:04.01 | SaidinUnleashed | hmmm |
| 00:04.10 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: Try looking on http://www.openh323.org/ since most voice-chat clients are H323-based. |
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| 00:04.25 | Isil`Zha | PerfDave: k thnx |
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| 00:04.53 | thechitowncubs | I am a noob, so I need some guidance =( |
| 00:04.54 | Appo | So ntpdate take care of my timezone ? |
| 00:04.54 | andi5 | appo: its 00:04 in paris i guess ;) |
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| 00:05.09 | nkuttler | thechitowncubs: what's wrong with kp? |
| 00:05.10 | citral | it's 1:04 in Paris |
| 00:05.18 | andi5 | citral: damn, i hate time zones ;) |
| 00:05.20 | thechitowncubs | Is it easy to follow? |
| 00:05.20 | Flimzy | Appo: NO. YOU HAVE TO SET YOUR OWN TIMEZONE. NTP IGNORES THE TIMEZONE, FOR THE LAST FREAKING TIME |
| 00:05.22 | restrex | abrotman my friend http://restrex.dotgeek.org/blog |
| 00:05.22 | Piru | appo, no. ntpdate *ignores* your timezone. |
| 00:05.35 | lu | instead of dpkg builpackage --append-to-version kernel_image, you go through make, make bZimage, make modules, make modules_install |
| 00:05.49 | PerfDave | thechitowncubs: If you're a n00b, why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 00:05.52 | restrex | abrotman sorry trhe exabrut |
| 00:05.53 | restrex | :( |
| 00:05.59 | restrex | the exabrut |
| 00:05.59 | nkuttler | thechitowncubs: well.. yes |
| 00:06.03 | thechitowncubs | Because I need to put prism54 inside it |
| 00:06.04 | restrex | the exabrutp |
| 00:06.07 | PerfDave | lu: Why are you using dpkg-buildpackage to make a kernel, rather than make-kpkg? |
| 00:06.19 | nkuttler | thechitowncubs: isn't that in the debian 2.6 kernels? |
| 00:06.27 | holy_cow | thechitowncubs, why? |
| 00:06.29 | thechitowncubs | How can I tell? |
| 00:06.32 | holy_cow | i run prism54 |
| 00:06.32 | Appo | ... ok, ntpdate ignore my timezone ... So you're OK that ntp.nerim.net is based in Paris so -> French time ? |
| 00:06.32 | abrotman | restrex: what are you babbling about? |
| 00:06.33 | lu | that's what I mean, PerfDave, thanks :), a noobs job is to break it and learn in the fixing |
| 00:06.35 | citral | It's funny to see screenshots of Xorg... Where's the difference, uh. Two shades and a half |
| 00:06.37 | holy_cow | it automatically loads up the module |
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| 00:06.41 | holy_cow | you don't need to compile it |
| 00:06.42 | Piru | appo, NO |
| 00:06.46 | nkuttler | thechitowncubs: running woody? |
| 00:06.47 | thechitowncubs | Oh god |
| 00:06.50 | thechitowncubs | thats a relief |
| 00:06.51 | Piru | appo, for fucks sake, ntp does NOT USE TIME ZONES |
| 00:06.52 | restrex | abrotman babbling? |
| 00:06.55 | restrex | :) |
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| 00:06.58 | restrex | no |
| 00:06.59 | thechitowncubs | I'm running Ubuntu |
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| 00:07.06 | Flimzy | Appo: GOD. Are you REALLY that stupid? Or are you just ignoring everything anyone tells you? |
| 00:07.06 | abrotman | restrex: yes .. what are babbling about? |
| 00:07.10 | nkuttler | thechitowncubs: #ubuntu |
| 00:07.13 | abrotman | restrex: my spanish is very rusty :)_ |
| 00:07.14 | PerfDave | thechitowncubs: Then go to #ubuntu and ask for help! |
| 00:07.14 | holy_cow | thechitowncubs, do lsmod |
| 00:07.17 | restrex | abrotman I wanne be your friend |
| 00:07.20 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:07.26 | restrex | :) |
| 00:07.27 | restrex | :P |
| 00:07.28 | holy_cow | you should see prism54 listed as soon as you plug in the pcmcia card |
| 00:07.28 | Flimzy | Appo: ALL FREAKING NTP SERVERS report the time in GMT. |
| 00:07.29 | restrex | sorry |
| 00:07.32 | nkuttler | thechitowncubs: iirc my prism54 needed some firmware |
| 00:07.38 | holy_cow | yes |
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| 00:07.42 | PerfDave | Flimzy: No, they report the time in UTC. |
| 00:07.42 | holy_cow | prism needs firmware |
| 00:07.46 | restrex | * abrotman goes back to killing things ? why don't you want to be my friend? |
| 00:07.48 | holy_cow | go to prism54.org and download it |
| 00:07.51 | holy_cow | and follow the instructions |
| 00:07.52 | Flimzy | Appo: If your NTP server is in France, Australia, Poland, the U.S. Mars, or Middle Earth, the time is reported in freaking GMT |
| 00:07.52 | Flimzy | Appo: It is up to the individual client (i.e. your PC, my PC, Frodo's PC) to convert GMT to the local timezone. |
| 00:07.55 | holy_cow | you need to put it in the right place |
| 00:07.59 | holy_cow | and also rename the file |
| 00:07.59 | thechitowncubs | all it needs is firmware? |
| 00:08.02 | holy_cow | yep |
| 00:08.03 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Don't confuse him any more. |
| 00:08.13 | Flimzy | PerfDave: :P |
| 00:08.13 | abrotman | restrex: i'm killing people |
| 00:08.15 | thechitowncubs | I don't need to compile with the patch? |
| 00:08.16 | Appo | Ok so I change my ntp server |
| 00:08.18 | Appo | Ok ? |
| 00:08.18 | abrotman | restrex: and it has nothign to do with you |
| 00:08.20 | resiak | thechitowncubs: Go to #ubuntu |
| 00:08.22 | holy_cow | thechitowncubs, not at all |
| 00:08.23 | PerfDave | Flimzy: The point about UTC is that it's stable. GMT isn't. |
| 00:08.26 | restrex | abrotman oh |
| 00:08.30 | Piru | Appo, NO. |
| 00:08.31 | holy_cow | prism54 firmware cannot be redistributed freely |
| 00:08.33 | thechitowncubs | You guys are more helpful here |
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| 00:08.41 | restrex | these are my last minutes at the earth |
| 00:08.41 | holy_cow | so its not in ubuntu or debian |
| 00:08.42 | restrex | :( |
| 00:08.43 | Piru | Appo, you fix your timezone. please, just do that and leave us alone. |
| 00:08.45 | holy_cow | you haveto dl it manually |
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| 00:08.52 | holy_cow | remember to rename it |
| 00:08.55 | thechitowncubs | Ok, I'll give it a go |
| 00:08.58 | thechitowncubs | rename it to what |
| 00:09.00 | restrex | nooo |
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| 00:09.06 | Flimzy | Appo: I don't care if you change your NTP server. It doesn't matter what servers you use. If you want your PC to reflect the time in France, then set your local timezone to France's timezone. |
| 00:09.10 | holy_cow | prism54.org has all the instructions |
| 00:09.11 | citral | thechitowncubs, then install debian and we'll be really helpful |
| 00:09.16 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Understood. Your correction is appreciated (at least by me). I'm sure Appo would still be confused by that, tho. |
| 00:09.19 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:09.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:09.25 | thechitowncubs | Ubuntu is debian based... |
| 00:09.26 | SaidinUnleashed | I got my install done. it's on hda4. but when I do "kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda4" with grub i get a kernel panic saying it cannot mount the root device |
| 00:09.29 | resiak | !debian-based |
| 00:09.29 | PerfDave | thechitowncubs: Yes, but if you're using Ubuntu, then Debian-specific answers won't work for you because Debian isn't Ubuntu. |
| 00:09.33 | resiak | !debian based |
| 00:09.33 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 00:09.33 | citral | !debian ased |
| 00:09.34 | abrotman | !debian based |
| 00:09.40 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:09.40 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 00:09.45 | citral | !based on debian |
| 00:09.46 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 00:09.46 | resiak | !debian-based is <reply> see debian based |
| 00:09.46 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 00:09.49 | thechitowncubs | omfg |
| 00:09.53 | thechitowncubs | this is crazy |
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| 00:10.04 | resiak | thechitowncubs: No, it's not. |
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| 00:10.27 | thechitowncubs | im sorry |
| 00:10.29 | thechitowncubs | ill just not talk |
| 00:10.39 | citral | thechitowncubs, see above the number (that can be easily expended) of debian based distros... |
| 00:10.52 | abrotman | pan |
| 00:11.07 | citral | thechitowncubs, they all have their particularities, they are NOT debian... |
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| 00:11.27 | thechitowncubs | Ok, thats cool |
| 00:11.48 | resiak | thechitowncubs: If you install Debian, we're happy to help. We don't want to waste our time and yours giving you instructions that will fail because Ubuntu does things differently in ways that we don't know. |
| 00:11.50 | _gentgeen_ | does anyone have any suggestions (other then 'dd') for copying info from old 2GB hd onto new 10.3GB hd ? |
| 00:12.00 | PerfDave | _gentgeen_: cp -a |
| 00:12.00 | resiak | _gentgeen_: What's wrong with cp ? |
| 00:12.08 | SaidinUnleashed | I got my install done. it's on hda4. but when I do "kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda4" with grub i get a kernel panic saying it cannot mount the root device |
| 00:12.12 | bucky | there's 333 people in #ubuntu |
| 00:12.14 | abrotman | tar |
| 00:12.15 | SaidinUnleashed | any idea why? |
| 00:12.23 | citral | rabbit |
| 00:12.25 | PerfDave | SaidinUnleashed: Does your kernel have support for your root filesystem compiled in? |
| 00:12.27 | resiak | bucky: Well counted. |
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| 00:12.32 | bucky | one of them should know something about ubuntu |
| 00:12.36 | _gentgeen_ | wouldn't cp mess with permissions? |
| 00:12.39 | PerfDave | SaidinUnleashed: Are you using a Debian kernel-image? What is your filesystem on /dev/hda4? |
| 00:12.39 | resiak | _gentgeen_: man cp |
| 00:12.49 | _gentgeen_ | resiak, checking |
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| 00:12.51 | resiak | _gentgeen_: cp -a is what you want, as PerfDave said. |
| 00:13.02 | PerfDave | Why, thank you, resiak ;) |
| 00:13.02 | SaidinUnleashed | PerfDave, i would home so. it's on an ext2 partition, and its the standard 2.4 kernel from sarge |
| 00:13.04 | resiak | _gentgeen_: Do you realise how irritating typing _ to address you is? :) |
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| 00:13.17 | PerfDave | SaidinUnleashed: It's a kernel-image? You didn't hand-compile anything? |
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| 00:13.20 | sparr | using debian unstable, mozilla 1.7, root cannot run mozilla on user's X server. user has set the proper xhost permissions, the /usr/bin/mozilla script simply exits with no output. help? |
| 00:13.21 | PerfDave | !underscore |
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| 00:13.23 | js_ | is there a good gtk burning app? |
| 00:13.24 | caphuso | resiak: get a decent IRC client ;-) |
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| 00:13.26 | resiak | SaidinUnleashed: Have you the initrd entry? |
| 00:13.35 | abrotman | js_: nautilus ? |
| 00:13.38 | _gentgeen_ | resiak, be glad to change, but could not get back my old gentgeen -- fairly new to IRC stuff |
| 00:13.41 | SaidinUnleashed | resiak, nope. i'm an idiot |
| 00:13.46 | js_ | abrotman: oh, didn't know it could burn |
| 00:13.47 | SaidinUnleashed | resiak, forgot about that |
| 00:13.55 | PerfDave | _gentgeen_: Seems to work for me |
| 00:14.02 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 00:14.03 | Flimzy | me too |
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| 00:14.18 | _gentgeen_ | OK -- I get it :-) <GRIN> |
| 00:14.20 | Piru | sparr, good. running something like mozilla as root would be dangerous as hell |
| 00:14.26 | resiak | caphuso: Oh my god, I didn't know that irssi could do that! |
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| 00:14.57 | citral | Piru, thoughn it's what windows user do daily |
| 00:14.58 | resiak | caphuso: Many, many thanks. |
| 00:15.09 | caphuso | resiak: "/set completion_strict off" and it ignores those stupid chars |
| 00:15.20 | Piru | citral, yes, unfortunately |
| 00:15.26 | caphuso | gent<tab> => _gentgeen_ |
| 00:15.27 | resiak | caphuso: You are my deity of the day. |
| 00:15.31 | adjacent | anyone seen a good web interface for firewall/router systems built on debian? dont saywebmin... |
| 00:15.50 | PerfDave | adjacent: I doubt such a thing exists ;) |
| 00:16.14 | Flimzy | adjacent: FrazierWall has a read-only web interface. Not sure how "good" it is, or who else may have adapted it for other uses. |
| 00:16.21 | |ac3| | is there a way to enforce ldap based quota on linux? (i already use ldap authentication) |
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| 00:16.32 | adjacent | i like smoothwall and ipcop, but you have touse their system install |
| 00:16.38 | SaidinUnleashed | caphuso, that is very cool |
| 00:16.38 | sparr | Piru: i have to run it as root to install UI-replacing extensions globally |
| 00:16.45 | Flimzy | adjacent: If you know PHP, Perl, or any other language, it should be pretty easy to write an application that does what you want. |
| 00:16.47 | sparr | Piru: ive never had this problem before |
| 00:16.55 | Flimzy | adjacent: It shouldn't be hard to move their scripts to Debian. |
| 00:17.39 | _gentgeen_ | caphuso, that is a really cool tip |
| 00:17.42 | adjacent | Flimzy: ill probably end up writing it myself.. =/ nah, they have a config storage mecanism of their own. id ave to rewrite all the backend stuff |
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| 00:18.02 | Agrajag- | anyone know if a such a tool exists that will read in a bind config file (or i suppose even get dig output) and output a graphical view of a network? |
| 00:18.08 | Leonardo_Lopes | I had read the DVDrtools and CDrtools licenses, they have the same copyright text, why the first are in non-free section and the other are in main section? |
| 00:18.20 | Piru | sparr, ok, did you use su or what? forgot to use - ? |
| 00:18.22 | Flimzy | adjacent: At the very least, you could probably take segments of their code and adapt it to your own thingie if you really wanted. |
| 00:18.26 | Flimzy | adjacent: If it was me, tho, I'd write it from scratch I think. |
| 00:18.35 | adjacent | Flimzy: yeh. |
| 00:18.36 | sparr | Piru: with and without - |
| 00:18.38 | Flimzy | adjacent: And just look at other interfaces (such as those, and other soho routers) for good ideas |
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| 00:18.49 | Piru | sparr, groovy. doh |
| 00:18.57 | adjacent | thats what ill do then =) |
| 00:19.09 | sparr | aha |
| 00:19.20 | adjacent | at least no one recommended another dead end |
| 00:19.22 | sparr | without the - on su, and WITH a localhost:0 DISPLAY variable, it works |
| 00:19.24 | Flimzy | adjacent: You should make it general enough to be usable by others... and release a .deb of it |
| 00:19.25 | BucAWAY | hi all. i'm about to install sarge and use it as a web/database/application server what partitioning scheme should i use? |
| 00:19.28 | Piru | sparr, heh :D |
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| 00:20.08 | Flimzy | BucAWAY: The one that makes the most sense for your application. |
| 00:20.15 | PerfDave | Bah, what's that command to run something periodically, on the console? So "$command 5 ls" would run ls every five seconds |
| 00:20.25 | satHan | what's the state of pci-x devices? do they work well under 2.6? |
| 00:20.31 | Flimzy | BucAWAY: I'm about to host a football party. What kind of pizza should I order? |
| 00:20.44 | PerfDave | BucAWAY: You might not want to use Sarge on a server if it's public-facing, Sarge doesn't get security patches. |
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| 00:20.48 | Flimzy | PerfDave: while [ 1 ]; do $command 5 ls; sleep 5; done |
| 00:20.56 | Flimzy | PerfDave: That's how I do it. There may be easier ways. hehe |
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| 00:21.10 | BucAWAY | PerfDave it is internal |
| 00:21.41 | BucAWAY | Flimzy if i knew the sizes i wanted to go with do you think i'd be asking ? |
| 00:21.46 | BucAWAY | Flimzy NO. |
| 00:21.48 | resiak | Flimzy: Definitely Hawaiian. |
| 00:21.52 | caphuso | PerfDave: while sleep 5; do $command; done |
| 00:21.59 | thingfish | Flimzy: anything with canadian bacon. |
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| 00:22.08 | BucAWAY | i ask because i would like to know the recommended partitioning scheme |
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| 00:22.28 | Flimzy | BucAWAY: My point is... there is no way on earth we know enough about your situation to be able to provide you with any sort of useful answer. |
| 00:22.41 | adjacent | damn canadians. always trying to push their culture on us |
| 00:22.48 | bucky | Flimzy, Haiwian Swine |
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| 00:23.00 | citral | Flimzy, but you can't avoid cheese |
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| 00:23.05 | resiak | Cheese++ |
| 00:23.32 | BucAWAY | Flimzy k |
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| 00:23.46 | Flimzy | BucAWAY: Just as there's no way you know enough about the ppl I'm inviting to the football party to suggest pizza toppings for them. |
| 00:23.47 | PerfDave | caphuso: There is a command of the type I mentioned, damned if I know what it's called though. |
| 00:23.50 | Flimzy | (BTW, you're all invited!!) |
| 00:23.55 | Flimzy | BYOP |
| 00:24.05 | SaidinUnleashed | wow, it's amazing how well it works when you set it up right (initrd and grub) -_- |
| 00:24.13 | Nexus | If a debian package doesn't have the right things compiled in it, how do I customize it? courier-maildrop doesn't have mysql support, and I need it. |
| 00:24.23 | PerfDave | Nexus: Read the APT HOWTO |
| 00:24.25 | kawaiikune | hey, does anyone know where the amd64/debian channel is? |
| 00:24.29 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 00:24.29 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 00:24.31 | citral | BucAWAY, *my* way is always to separate / and /home, then for a web server you may want to create separates /var, /var/www partitions, for a mail server /var/mail etc. |
| 00:24.35 | PerfDave | Nexus: Basically, apt-get source, edit debian/rules, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:24.52 | Nexus | PerfDave, Cool. SOunds like what I need. |
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| 00:25.15 | Flimzy | Nexus: download the debian source... (apt-get source <package name>), then configure it as necessary, and build it (dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -us -uc usually does it), then install the resulting .deb(s) |
| 00:25.25 | pmitros | I'm running testing. gimp stopped working. It's complaining that I have an old version of fontconfig. I did apt-get update/dist-upgrade, but to no avail. Is this a known bug? |
| 00:25.33 | PerfDave | Flimzy: Or just read the APT HOWTO. |
| 00:25.36 | PerfDave | pmitros: Did you check the BTS? |
| 00:25.50 | pmitros | perfdave: I don't know what the BTS is... |
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| 00:25.59 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Maybe so. I've never done that before. |
| 00:26.01 | PerfDave | !btssmite pmitros |
| 00:26.18 | pmitros | Thanks. |
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| 00:26.34 | PerfDave | !tell Flimzy about spoon-feeding |
| 00:26.38 | BucAWAY | citral thanks |
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| 00:26.44 | jstevens | Running Sarge... I upgraded from discoverer1 to discoverer (2.0.6-3) and I lost sound! ... any Ideas as to how to get sound back would be appreciated. |
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| 00:27.09 | Flimzy | PerfDave: I don't think I was spoon feeding. |
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| 00:27.36 | PerfDave | Flimzy: You were telling someone exactly what they needed instead of where to find out what they need to know ;) |
| 00:27.44 | citral | BucAWAY, think on /var/log too, some like to create a /boot partition, some prefer anchovies |
| 00:27.52 | pmitros | Don't find anything relating to both gimp and fontconfig...l |
| 00:28.06 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Nah. I didn't tell him which source package to download... didn't tell him how a Debian source package is arranged, and thus how to reconfigure it, etc |
| 00:28.18 | PerfDave | Flimzy: *shrug* YMMV :p |
| 00:28.27 | nvz | pmitros: post, post, post your bug, on the bts ... |
| 00:28.31 | Flimzy | PerfDave: I was just trying to be helpful, dammit!! *sob* :P |
| 00:29.21 | nvz | hopefully, hopefully, someone will close it soon |
| 00:29.24 | Flimzy | I wonder if I should post my bug on the BTS... only thing is, I don't know what it's a bug in... is it an ext3 bug? |
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| 00:30.06 | Flimzy | I should upgrade my kernel and see if the bug follows |
| 00:30.22 | PerfDave | pmitros: apt-get install querybts reportbug; reportbug gimp |
| 00:30.36 | Flimzy | I hate doing kernel upgrades on remote headless boxen, tho |
| 00:31.39 | Flimzy | nah... why bother verifying the existence of a bug? Just report the darn thing! |
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| 00:32.13 | Flimzy | In fact, it can be fun even to make up bugs you've never experienced and report them :P |
| 00:32.24 | abrotman | !drxx mirza |
| 00:32.25 | dpkg | mirza: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 00:32.28 | Flimzy | mirza: You might try gpm with passthrough |
| 00:32.37 | abrotman | Flimzy: eww :) |
| 00:33.14 | Flimzy | abrotman: eww re: gpm? I never have problems with that... (well, rarely... once had a mouse that caused it to segfault) |
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| 00:33.29 | abrotman | Flimzy: i used to use it .. but i stopped using gpm |
| 00:33.32 | Flimzy | abrotman: At the very least, it's a useful debugging tool. |
| 00:33.53 | Flimzy | abrotman: with passthrough support, the device locking issues of old are gone |
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| 00:34.21 | abrotman | Flimzy: i suppose |
| 00:35.25 | abrotman | Flimzy: either way .. person gone |
| 00:36.14 | abrotman | alsa sucks |
| 00:36.17 | Flimzy | and speaking of gpm... peterS, I still need to give you that mouse that makes it crash :) |
| 00:36.26 | peterS | Flimzy: oh, heh |
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| 00:37.00 | Flimzy | I think I actually have it in my possession now |
| 00:37.24 | abrotman | alsa really sucks |
| 00:37.34 | peterS | abrotman: alsa is a mixed bag |
| 00:37.41 | abrotman | peterS: of dead rats? |
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| 00:38.00 | resiak | Nooo! Alsa is good! |
| 00:38.01 | peterS | abrotman: there are sound cards out there that are better supported under alsa than under any free alternatives |
| 00:38.12 | pmitros | Hmm... So something stuck an extra libfontconfig in /usr/X11R6/lib in addition to the proper one in /usr/lib/ |
| 00:38.17 | peterS | abrotman: OTOH, there are other cards that aren't |
| 00:38.33 | pmitros | Wonder if there's any good way to figure out if it came from an old packages, where the new one forgot to remove it... |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | peterS: well .. i'd like alsa for hte duplex for recording ... |
| 00:38.50 | abrotman | peterS: but since it seems to have problems ever loading a damn pcm module .. it doesn't really matter |
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| 00:39.04 | directhex | abrotman, your problems are not the problems of others |
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| 00:39.28 | abrotman | directhex: que? |
| 00:39.35 | directhex | abrotman, if $foo doesn't work for abrotman but works for everone else, what sucks - $foo or abrotman ? |
| 00:39.58 | peterS | directhex: abrotman isn't the only person I've seen who runs across a bug in a program and declares "it sucks" without looking for perspective on the matter |
| 00:40.09 | abrotman | directhex: well .. let's see .. run alsaconf .. shit doesn't work .. what did i do wrong? |
| 00:40.10 | peterS | directhex: a lot of people have that tendency |
| 00:40.11 | jstevens | Running Sarge... I upgraded from discover1 to discover (2.0.6-3) and I lost sound! ... any Ideas as to how to get sound back would be appreciated. |
| 00:40.21 | resiak | jstevens: Are you using ALSA? |
| 00:40.26 | abrotman | alsa sucks |
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| 00:40.31 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:40.33 | resiak | abrotman: Shut up :) |
| 00:40.33 | Flimzy | "it sucks" *can* be a very narrowly defined phrase, and still be valid... technically. |
| 00:40.38 | peterS | abrotman: the part I agree with you about is "alsaconf sucks" |
| 00:40.39 | jstevens | resiak: trying to... |
| 00:40.58 | Nexus | Flimzy, Is there a way to see what the configure options were for the current deb package? |
| 00:41.07 | simonrvn | Flimzy: is that a technical definition? |
| 00:41.12 | resiak | jstevens: Were you using ALSA before? |
| 00:41.18 | directhex | alsa works rather well for me |
| 00:41.26 | resiak | peterS: Interestingly, the Ubuntu people have taken out alsaconf. |
| 00:41.28 | Flimzy | Nexus: No. It depends on the package, and how the package is configured. |
| 00:41.30 | peterS | Nexus: not in general. some programs let you print out their config flags, like 'gcc -v' for example |
| 00:41.31 | jstevens | nope... wasn't able to get it to work |
| 00:41.37 | resiak | jstevens: What card do you have? |
| 00:41.44 | Flimzy | Nexus: You may have to modify the Makefile, or the debian/rules file, or hack the program yourself, or any or all of the above |
| 00:41.45 | jstevens | when sound broke I tried to add alsa to see if it'd help... it didn't help |
| 00:41.52 | peterS | Nexus: you *can* do 'apt-get source packagename' and then check packagename-version/debian/rules to see what it does |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | directhex: good .. fix mine |
| 00:42.07 | Flimzy | Nexus: Depending on what you need to do, how intuitive the package is, and how friendly the Debian mantainor is in his script writing. |
| 00:42.30 | jstevens | resiak: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 00:42.39 | jstevens | BTW, I'm on a laptop |
| 00:42.44 | resiak | jstevens: Are you perchance on a Centrino laptop? |
| 00:42.47 | Nexus | Flimzy, Hmm.. What packages do I need for compiling? |
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| 00:42.56 | cthulfuego | Nexus: build-essential |
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| 00:43.05 | resiak | jstevens: lsmod | grep 8x0 # Do you see snd-intel8x0m by any chance? |
| 00:43.07 | Flimzy | Nexus: at minimum, build-essentials |
| 00:43.19 | Flimzy | Nexus: And very likely some other packages, depending on the build dependancies of the package you're compiling. |
| 00:43.28 | detritus | for some odd reason, i cannot compile any kernel I try, whether it's with the debian patches or the stock kernel, using make-kpkg and not. see #flood for compile error output. |
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| 00:43.42 | jstevens | resiak: yep, it's there |
| 00:43.47 | SaidinUnleashed | okay, 1 more dumb question. Since I had to do a low-ram install, it did not set the locale (like US-english) and it set the consol fonts to ugly. How can I set this up right? |
| 00:43.49 | madclicker | hola |
| 00:44.16 | resiak | jstevens: echo snd-intel8x0m >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist; reboot. |
| 00:44.25 | directhex | abrotman, lsmod | grep snd into #flood |
| 00:44.30 | madclicker | hey guys, where could i find some info on rebuilding the x86 installer? |
| 00:44.45 | peterS | madclicker: which one? woody or sarge? |
| 00:44.50 | jstevens | resiak: why would it work w/ snd_intel8x0m before the upgrade, but not now after it? |
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| 00:45.06 | resiak | jstevens: Oh, did you say that you _were_ using ALSA before the upgrade? Sorry, I didn't get that. |
| 00:45.15 | samlander | good day all |
| 00:45.17 | madclicker | peterS: sarge |
| 00:45.34 | peterS | madclicker: for sarge, 'svn co svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/trunk' and read the README. it's pretty trivial, all things considered |
| 00:45.34 | jstevens | resiak: no, but I had sound before the upgrade... |
| 00:45.38 | resiak | jstevens: It probably _didn't_ work with snd-intel8x0m before the upgrade, because that's an ALSA driver (for the modem, as it happens). |
| 00:45.40 | Nyle | I have installed totem, mpleyer, everything works except for the dvd. I have meet the parents in the drive right now, and /dev/hdc is my dvd drive. permissios are set properly, and it read the disc in totem, but it tells me that totem cannot play this file:///dev/hdc because there is no plugin to handle that. I searched for xine|grep dvd and player|grep dvd but no luck so far. I did however install the dvd reading libs during search dvd in |
| 00:45.40 | Nyle | general |
| 00:45.47 | abrotman | directhex: i've been removing them one by one .. |
| 00:45.50 | jstevens | resiak: I will try that and will be back |
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| 00:45.56 | abrotman | directhex: i'd have to restart to get it back where it was |
| 00:45.56 | Nyle | i went through the list and installed the dvd packages i thought I would need |
| 00:46.06 | directhex | Nyle, libdvdcss2? |
| 00:46.12 | Nyle | let me check |
| 00:46.18 | resiak | jstevens: I've had much the experience you did. |
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| 00:46.33 | resiak | Nyle: Truncated at "search dvd in" |
| 00:46.42 | resiak | Nyle: Ignore me, directhex is on the case. |
| 00:46.46 | penta | is there any program like swatch ? because its seems to have lots problems ? |
| 00:46.48 | Nyle | no |
| 00:46.50 | jstevens | resiak: cool |
| 00:46.51 | abrotman | i kind of wish modprobe -r had a recursive thing |
| 00:46.52 | Nyle | probl |
| 00:46.56 | jstevens | resiak: BRB |
| 00:46.57 | madclicker | peterS: svn? how do i use that? |
| 00:47.19 | Nyle | directhex, yes it is already the newest version |
| 00:47.36 | peterS | madclicker: apt-get install subversion. then run the command I said. actually let me modify it a little: 'svn co svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/trunk d-i' |
| 00:47.44 | directhex | abrotman, fine. do you usually have oss modules loaded? do you use discover, hotplug, udev, or anything? |
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| 00:48.02 | BucAWAY | anyone ever use comedi ? |
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| 00:48.05 | BucAWAY | from comedi.org ? |
| 00:48.08 | abrotman | directhex: discover .. udev |
| 00:48.15 | samlander | sup peterS |
| 00:48.17 | madclicker | peterS: would i be asking to rebuild an installer if I had debian installed? |
| 00:48.18 | samlander | long time no see |
| 00:48.22 | abrotman | maybe hotplug too |
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| 00:48.36 | peterS | madclicker: I don't know how you'd expect to be building an installer if you didn't have debian installed |
| 00:48.40 | legis | What's the name of the file in X that i have to edit to make X stop listening on port 6000? |
| 00:48.49 | pingouin | how can i get ut8 fonts in xterm, eterm , kterm ? i CAN read/write japanase in Thunderbird, Mozilla (gtk apps) but if i cat the text i've receive/wrote in an xterm/kterm only ??? appears instead of jap fonts.... |
| 00:48.55 | kombi | I'm in a cold basement, what was the command to set up all links for start on boot again? |
| 00:48.58 | mais | excuse me, someboy know a perl room chat? |
| 00:48.59 | pingouin | i dont understand... |
| 00:49.03 | Nyle | i hear the drive running, and mplayer tells me it couldn't open /dev/hdc (the dvd drive) |
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| 00:49.11 | madclicker | peterS: on my work system which is a MDK |
| 00:49.14 | SaidinUnleashed | Since I had to do a low-ram install, it did not set the locale (like US-english) and it set the consol fonts to ugly. How can I set this up right? |
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| 00:49.38 | peterS | madclicker: well, you might be able to build an installer on a mandrake system, but I wouldn't expect it to be even close to painless |
| 00:49.43 | sunai | mais: #perl? |
| 00:49.59 | mais | sunai: yes, sorry |
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| 00:50.22 | madclicker | peterS: you see, the current installer doesn't support AHCI on intel 925X and debain's last release of the installer was in November :( |
| 00:50.47 | directhex | madclicker, have you reported as such in #debian-boot ? |
| 00:50.55 | SaidinUnleashed | the nightly builds might support it |
| 00:51.00 | peterS | madclicker: ahhh. yeah, I see your problem. the installer uses a lot of debian tools and infrastructure in its build system, so I wouldn't want to try it on mandrake. unfortunately. |
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| 00:51.32 | kombi | update-rc.d it was...! |
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| 00:51.50 | madclicker | peterS: thanks for info , i will try the fellows @ boot forum |
| 00:51.58 | peterS | madclicker: as directhex notes, #debian-boot is where the debian-installer people live. you might try getting some info there |
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| 00:52.04 | rizwank | Is there any way to get dpkg to install for a particular user (ala --prefix for configure?) |
| 00:52.04 | samlander | what's so hard about installing woody, switching sources, doing an apt update and apt dist-upgrade? |
| 00:52.04 | jstevens | 'back... still same problem w/ sound |
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| 00:52.22 | peterS | samlander: woody doesn't support fairly new SATA chipsets either |
| 00:52.25 | peterS | samlander: that's his problem |
| 00:52.28 | samlander | ahhhhhh |
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| 00:52.31 | samlander | ok ic now |
| 00:52.44 | samlander | pthth, go with raid lol ;) |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | directhex: ok .. how does alsa control /dev/mixer? |
| 00:52.51 | peterS | getting Debian onto your machine requires seeing the hard drives (: |
| 00:53.01 | resiak | jstevens: Bugger. As it happened, I just removed the fix I told you from my box and everything still works ... |
| 00:53.10 | resiak | jstevens: What exactly are the symptoms? |
| 00:53.25 | jstevens | resiak: well.. for instance... |
| 00:53.28 | jstevens | jstevens@GraniteLinux:~$ alsamixergui |
| 00:53.28 | jstevens | No mixer elems found |
| 00:53.28 | resiak | abrotman: Via alsa-oss, which simulates OSS. |
| 00:53.30 | directhex | abrotman, via the snd-mixer-oss module |
| 00:53.37 | abrotman | directhex: i solved it last time by loading the snd_mixer_oss |
| 00:53.44 | abrotman | yeah ... ok |
| 00:53.47 | jstevens | resiak: and I dont' hear any sound |
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| 00:53.54 | resiak | jstevens: Yeah, figures. Hmm... |
| 00:53.57 | directhex | resiak, nope. alsa-oss is a library which is ld_preloaded to make apps which usually write oss calls write alsa calls |
| 00:54.07 | JaMaLz | guys is there any small distro and it's live |
| 00:54.16 | JaMaLz | support pppoe and mounting and wget ? |
| 00:54.21 | abrotman | directhex: resiak: which still doesn't seem to work |
| 00:54.40 | bucky | JaMaLz, damn small linux |
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| 00:54.57 | resiak | directhex: Of course... My bad. |
| 00:54.58 | Charms | Anyone know how I can upgrade my woody distribution to sarge? What i did was change the sources.list file to sarge instead of woody, and apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade, and the installation failed during it. Am I out of luck when it comes to upgrading? |
| 00:55.08 | abrotman | audacity is freaking out .. more hints? |
| 00:55.14 | BucAWAY | what gives? i keep getting error saying cannot install base system on target |
| 00:55.14 | JaMaLz | bucky it's big i want it as 3 mb |
| 00:55.15 | abrotman | perhaps an OSS PCM ? |
| 00:55.17 | JaMaLz | not more |
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| 00:55.22 | PlanarPlatypus | Charms: what was the error? |
| 00:55.25 | BucAWAY | why is it giving me this error? |
| 00:55.25 | resiak | jstevens: Hmm, I'm not sure what to suggest, I'm afraid. |
| 00:55.29 | Flimzy | Charms: how exactly did it fail? |
| 00:55.32 | resiak | jstevens: I presume that you've tried alsaconf? |
| 00:55.34 | directhex | abrotman, if you have oss modules loaded, which is a Bad Thing(tm), then it'd cause major freak-outs |
| 00:55.44 | Nexus | Where would I find gdbm? What package? |
| 00:55.48 | Nexus | Or how can I search for it? |
| 00:55.50 | abrotman | directhex: if i don't .. it doesn't work |
| 00:55.54 | Charms | Planarplatypus Flimzy: I don't have the error up anymore.. but it was something to do with a package with the word "flux" in it.. sorry i can't be more specific =( |
| 00:55.55 | bucky | JaMaLz, debian b2.4 install floppies |
| 00:55.57 | abrotman | directhex: if i load snd_pcm_oss .. works fine |
| 00:56.11 | bucky | rescue and root |
| 00:56.14 | abrotman | directhex: and this is why alsa breaks ? |
| 00:56.16 | Flimzy | Charms: Just try apt-get dist-upgrade again |
| 00:56.17 | jstevens | resiak: yep :-) |
| 00:56.21 | sunai | going out on a limb here: Am I doing something insane by using SNAT and DNAT for the same (but inverse) targets? In the sense that outgoing 192.168.1.2 becomes 1.2.3.4, incoming 1.2.3.4 becomes 192.168.1.2? |
| 00:56.24 | Flimzy | Charms: If it had a problem getting a package, it will try again |
| 00:56.29 | directhex | abrotman, snd-pcm-oss is the alsa /dev/dsp compatability module. you need it loaded to have an alsa /dev/dsp |
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| 00:56.38 | Flimzy | Charms: At the very least, it should give the error again |
| 00:56.38 | Charms | Flimzy: Okay, I'm doing that now. It asks me to add the flag -f, since there are files with 'unmet dependencies" |
| 00:56.43 | Charms | Flimzy: Okay, good idea |
| 00:56.46 | jstevens | resiak: doing it one more time for good measure... |
| 00:57.08 | JaMaLz | bucky is it live |
| 00:57.14 | abrotman | directhex: well .. almost all working :) |
| 00:57.37 | JaMaLz | i want a command line |
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| 00:57.59 | directhex | abrotman, similarly, snd-mixer-oss is /dev/mixer compatability. neither are used by real alsa apps |
| 00:58.12 | resiak | directhex: I'm stumped by jstevens' problem, which is dead ALSA with intel8x0. My stock solution (echo snd-intel8x0m >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist; reboot;) does not help, and in fact is no longer needed for my laptop. |
| 00:58.16 | jstevens | resiak: WTF.... ater I blacklisted the "m" one, now running alsaconf works |
| 00:58.20 | bucky | JaMaLz, http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php |
| 00:58.24 | resiak | directhex: Ignore me. |
| 00:58.29 | abrotman | directhex: this is audacity .. dunno if it's a real alsa app |
| 00:58.32 | resiak | jstevens: Don't complain :) |
| 00:58.36 | directhex | abrotman, no, OSS iirc |
| 00:58.37 | resiak | jstevens: Does ALSA now work? |
| 00:58.39 | jstevens | resiak: LOL |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | directhex: and gnome doesn't seem to like what is setup either |
| 00:58.48 | jstevens | resiak: gaim is yelling at me now! |
| 00:58.58 | directhex | erm... isn't snd-intel8x0m for some onboard telephony stuff? |
| 00:59.01 | jstevens | resiak: in other words, it appears to |
| 00:59.01 | resiak | directhex: Yeah. |
| 00:59.15 | resiak | directhex: However, for me at least, it was broken and broke snd-intel8x0 as well. |
| 00:59.20 | resiak | jstevens: Ace. |
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| 00:59.30 | abrotman | see .. alsa is borked :) |
| 00:59.41 | resiak | directhex: It may be that it's been fixed in 2.6.10, since I know that many of the AC97s have been fixed in it, and I've just upgraded to that. |
| 01:00.04 | resiak | Anyway, I'm off to make an intel8x0 factoid. |
| 01:00.06 | directhex | abrotman, run gstreamer-properties, set the output sink to alsasink. iirc the gnome volume slider uses gstreamer, though i may be wrong on that |
| 01:00.36 | peterS | resiak: good idea. I bet a lot of people get bitten by the "intel8x0m stole my first alsa dsp output slot" thing |
| 01:00.45 | einsteinmg | does anyone using distcc? |
| 01:00.51 | resiak | peterS: I sure as hell did. |
| 01:00.53 | jstevens | resiak: BRB... again |
| 01:00.57 | resiak | jstevens: Heh. |
| 01:01.08 | directhex | oh. of course. it's all so obvious now. |
| 01:01.09 | toresbe | I'm setting up a thinnet coax network |
| 01:01.12 | directhex | !cookie peterS |
| 01:01.12 | peterS | resiak: yeah, and I'm pretty sure I've helped at least one or two people in #debian with that problem, some time in the past year or so |
| 01:01.15 | Charms | Flimzy: Okay, I got the error. Its "Unpacking replacement autotools-dev.... errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/flex_2.5.31-31_i386.deb. E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). |
| 01:01.22 | abrotman | directhex: i bet it helps to have gstreamer0.8-alsa installed :) |
| 01:01.27 | directhex | erm... not the intention |
| 01:01.30 | toresbe | i have a seriously long coax cable I'm using for a few xterms |
| 01:01.31 | directhex | abrotman, quite possibly |
| 01:01.43 | resiak | peterS: I'm pretty sure you showed me the answer in the first place :) |
| 01:01.51 | abrotman | directhex: but volume-control still no workie |
| 01:01.53 | toresbe | I've terminated both ends now |
| 01:01.53 | dondelelcaro | ok... wtf is up with that factoid? |
| 01:01.59 | pipeline | haha, thinnet |
| 01:02.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: the cookie factoid .. builtin |
| 01:02.19 | Flimzy | Charms: hmm. Did you do it with the -f as it suggested? |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 01:02.24 | peterS | resiak: hehehe. possible |
| 01:02.36 | resiak | peterS: The factoid is at intel8x0 |
| 01:02.42 | peterS | good deal |
| 01:02.46 | dondelelcaro | !forget sleipnir |
| 01:02.46 | dpkg | i forgot sleipnir, dondelelcaro |
| 01:02.48 | resiak | peterS: I'll add a see also to ac97 |
| 01:02.51 | Charms | Flimzy: Yes, it was the only way to get it to run. |
| 01:02.55 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no, the factoid that it pulled up |
| 01:03.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i realized what you meant after i said that :) |
| 01:03.09 | toresbe | one end is the server, a 3c509b, other end is a NE2k-compatible PCMCIA card |
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| 01:03.55 | toresbe | nothing works |
| 01:04.06 | jstevens | resiak: not working after the reboot |
| 01:04.11 | resiak | jstevens: Oh, bollocks. |
| 01:04.18 | toresbe | and there are so many potential error sources, hell, the 3com NIC isn't even known good |
| 01:04.22 | Flimzy | Charms: You might try installing flex alone (apt-get install flex), or even removing it, then upgrading, then installing it again |
| 01:04.28 | resiak | jstevens: Re-run alsaconf, just for fun :) |
| 01:04.34 | jstevens | LOL |
| 01:04.59 | Charms | Flimzy: okay.. i'll try installing it first. if that doesn't work, i'll remove it, then try upgarding.. |
| 01:05.00 | sussudio | !lol |
| 01:05.00 | dpkg | i heard lol is Loser On Line, good work sussudio, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 01:05.01 | resiak | peterS: Any ideas as to why after re-rebooting stuff would be re-borked? |
| 01:05.11 | jstevens | :-) |
| 01:05.36 | Nyle | I can't get my dvd rom to work under linux |
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| 01:05.46 | jstevens | resiak: yep... works again |
| 01:05.49 | peterS | resiak: the hotplug blacklist only affects what modules are loaded by hotplug. alsa has its own scheme for loading modules. |
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| 01:05.52 | PlanarPlatypus | Nyle: yes....... |
| 01:05.52 | Nyle | i have installed the libdvdcss2 |
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| 01:05.56 | Flimzy | Nyle: In what way? |
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| 01:06.09 | jstevens | resiak: any thoughts? |
| 01:06.11 | toresbe | why couldn't this just for once automagically work...? |
| 01:06.15 | Nyle | mplayer /dev/hdc says cannot find device |
| 01:06.20 | OvrLrd-Q | is there anyway to find out which package requested the installation of another package? |
| 01:06.22 | Nyle | stat /dev/hdc shows its on |
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| 01:06.25 | resiak | peterS: see jstevens :) |
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| 01:06.32 | Nyle | during bootup, dvd drive is said to be /dev/hdc |
| 01:06.39 | toresbe | Nyle: mplayer dvd:// |
| 01:06.43 | Nyle | xine can't play it either |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | directhex: all seems kosher ... |
| 01:07.00 | Nyle | toresbe, i'll try it, but i doubt it |
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| 01:07.15 | jstevens | peterS: so what do you reccomend? |
| 01:07.17 | abrotman | directhex: but .. i'm pretty sure i shouldn't be loading snd_intel8x0 eh? |
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| 01:07.26 | Nyle | Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd - Exiting... (End of file) |
| 01:07.35 | resiak | peterS: Sorry to throw you into this. |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | of course .. i guess if it works .. why fuck with it :) |
| 01:07.59 | directhex | abrotman, that's the alsa equivalent to i810_audio. just avoid snd-intel8x0m |
| 01:08.06 | Nyle | thats because there is no such thing as /dev/dvd. I havn't made a ln -s yet |
| 01:08.11 | abrotman | directhex: already loaded |
| 01:08.14 | peterS | resiak: I'll only be around another few minutes, but I guess I'll see what I can do |
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| 01:08.21 | Nyle | i just have been using /dev/hdc |
| 01:08.23 | abrotman | directhex: and in use .. remember .. laptop |
| 01:08.27 | stew | Nyle: mplayer -dvd-device /dev/hdc dvd:// |
| 01:08.30 | jstevens | snd_intel8x0m is still NOT loaded :-) |
| 01:08.33 | abrotman | mine is |
| 01:08.34 | Flimzy | Nyle: so make a symlink |
| 01:08.46 | peterS | jstevens: hard-coding modules into /etc/modules or /etc/modules-2.6 (if you're using kernel 2.6 and have one of those files - you might not) |
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| 01:09.12 | peterS | jstevens: basically, edit /etc/modules and add "snd-intel8x0" and "snd-pcm-oss" lines to it |
| 01:09.20 | abrotman | directhex: what does the 8x0m do? |
| 01:09.24 | resiak | abrotman: Modem. |
| 01:09.32 | abrotman | resiak: well .. i do have an onboard modem too :) |
| 01:09.32 | peterS | abrotman: makes the winmodem look like another sound card |
| 01:09.36 | abrotman | yay ... |
| 01:09.38 | directhex | abrotman, modem i think |
| 01:09.44 | abrotman | now my modem can squeal!! |
| 01:09.50 | resiak | abrotman: It doesn't kill 8x0 on 2.6.10, I've just discovered. |
| 01:09.52 | directhex | !poke Piggy |
| 01:09.58 | Nyle | libdvdread: Can't open /dev/hdc for reading - Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/hdc <-- no matter what I do, I get this error |
| 01:09.58 | abrotman | Piggy: squeal! |
| 01:10.14 | abrotman | resiak: i'm on .8 |
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| 01:10.31 | peterS | resiak: what it does is say "I am a DSP output, just like that other card". then your default output might end up being the modem rather than the sound card |
| 01:10.40 | resiak | peterS: Aaah. |
| 01:10.46 | resiak | abrotman: Then it breaks things :-) |
| 01:10.48 | peterS | resiak: it doesn't *kill* your sound, it just sort of redirects it, if you happened to load that module first |
| 01:10.50 | hp1 | Hey i need some help i just installed debian 3.0 r4 and i when i run startx it sais "no screen found" i am running and ATI 9800 pro and i selected the redeon drivers |
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| 01:10.52 | abrotman | resiak: seems fine to me ... |
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| 01:11.03 | jstevens | peterS: ok, added them to /etc/modules.. I am using 2.6, but there isn't an /etc/modules-2.6 |
| 01:11.04 | directhex | !tell hp1 about woody hardware support |
| 01:11.05 | peterS | resiak: load order makes all the difference |
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| 01:11.11 | abrotman | resiak: all my sounds work .. but i don't have the modem driver installed anyways |
| 01:11.18 | peterS | jstevens: right, /etc/modules-2.6 is optional - that's so you can have separate module lists for your 2.4 and 2.6 kernels |
| 01:11.22 | nz | hey, can someone help me with getting my usb pen drive to work ? |
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| 01:11.23 | toresbe | !tell meabout woody hardware support |
| 01:11.28 | Tr0gd0r | i did apt-get install vncserver how do i run the server now |
| 01:11.37 | directhex | :) @ people using that factoid |
| 01:11.42 | toresbe | !tell me about woody hardware support |
| 01:11.43 | nz | i just built my own kernel, and the drive is being detected, but it wont let me mount |
| 01:11.51 | jstevens | peterS: cool |
| 01:11.51 | resiak | peterS: That makes absolute sense. Reminds me of the joys of the "will eth0 be my actual ethernet card or will it be my 1394?" roulette. |
| 01:11.59 | peterS | resiak: exaaaaactly |
| 01:12.09 | Nyle | vncserver -depth blah -geometry blah :1 or whatever, read man vncserver |
| 01:12.20 | directhex | i had that shit at work with two eepro100's and an e1000 arguing over ordering |
| 01:12.21 | peterS | resiak: alsa-aware apps should present the user with a way to change the output device from the default one, but it's still confusing |
| 01:12.23 | abrotman | resiak: they stuff to fix that :) |
| 01:12.27 | jstevens | resiak: yeah, that's another t hing that I *noticed* on sarge... my firewire port is eth1 |
| 01:12.34 | resiak | peterS: Is there any sane way to fix that, incidentally? I've just blacklisted the 1394 eth module. |
| 01:12.42 | peterS | resiak: 'nameif' |
| 01:12.46 | resiak | peterS: Yeah. |
| 01:12.48 | Tr0gd0r | i did apt-get install vncserver how do i run the server now? |
| 01:12.54 | Flimzy | directhex: that's easy to fix with kernel options |
| 01:13.19 | directhex | Flimzy, you'd think that. it was quite persistant |
| 01:13.25 | peterS | jstevens: also true in Windows XP - firewire ports can be used as network devices, and show up as such in your config |
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| 01:13.43 | resiak | peterS: Again, thank you many times over :-) |
| 01:13.47 | Flimzy | directhex: kernel options were unsuccessful for you? |
| 01:13.49 | peterS | resiak: hehe. no problem. |
| 01:14.00 | abrotman | now my next problem ... my debian installed suse by accident |
| 01:14.04 | directhex | Flimzy, got it to behave eventually, s' all ni the past. we're throwing that cluster out anyway |
| 01:14.09 | Flimzy | directhex: eth0=irq,io eth1=irq,io, etc (or whatever the exact order was) |
| 01:14.09 | peterS | abrotman: oh, that would suck (: |
| 01:14.16 | rizwank | Is there any way to get dpkg to install for a particular user (ala --prefix for configure?) |
| 01:14.17 | resiak | abrotman: Hah. |
| 01:14.20 | madclicker | what is the current kernel on woody? |
| 01:14.22 | Flimzy | directhex: hehe |
| 01:14.24 | resiak | rizwank: No. |
| 01:14.27 | peterS | madclicker: 2.4.18 |
| 01:14.28 | jstevens | peterS: yep... this is an Inspiron 8200 and I'm dual-booting w/ XP... so I've seen that... haven't used the firewire networking though |
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| 01:14.32 | directhex | madclicker, 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 |
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| 01:14.43 | kaitiff | what would give me an error trying to tar xjf a kernel that said 'error exit delayed from previous errors'? |
| 01:14.46 | peterS | jstevens: nobody *uses* the firewire networking capability. but XP provides it and so does linux |
| 01:14.52 | Flimzy | abrotman: ha! I have Windows 2000 installed in Windows 98. How do I upgrade to Windows 95? |
| 01:14.55 | madclicker | sorry on sarge |
| 01:15.05 | peterS | madclicker: 2.6.8 I think |
| 01:15.05 | directhex | peterS, i believe some early playstation 2 games use firewire networking |
| 01:15.06 | resiak | madclicker: 2.6.8 |
| 01:15.10 | abrotman | Flimzy: format c: :) |
| 01:15.15 | peterS | madclicker: they're debating whether to ship 2.6.10 with sarge on some architectures |
| 01:15.20 | directhex | madclicker, 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 |
| 01:15.21 | jstevens | BRB.. rebooting again *to test* |
| 01:15.22 | peterS | madclicker: but it seems unlikely that they will |
| 01:15.29 | abrotman | directhex: that's the iLink |
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| 01:15.46 | Flimzy | abrotman: sad part is, ppl have actually asked me that question in the past. *sigh* gotta love 'em stupid users |
| 01:15.53 | madclicker | peterS: how about sid? |
| 01:16.04 | directhex | abrotman, yes, except ilink is sony's branding for firewire, just as firewire is apple's branding for it too |
| 01:16.09 | peterS | madclicker: 2.6.10 exists in sid. sid does not, however, have prepackaged install images |
| 01:16.13 | kaitiff | what is the latest stable kernel 2.4? |
| 01:16.23 | directhex | peterS, does on amd64, technically |
| 01:16.27 | FieldySnuts | kaitiff: visit http://www.kernel.org/ to find out |
| 01:16.28 | peterS | directhex: ahh |
| 01:16.29 | abrotman | directhex: well . i know .. but i'm not sure it's firewire .. i think it might be usb .. i just can't remember .. maybe i should look at my ps2 |
| 01:16.38 | peterS | kaitiff: 2.4.28 upstream, 2.4.27 in debian |
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| 01:16.49 | directhex | abrotman, two USb ports and an unpowered 4-pin firewire port |
| 01:16.50 | kaitiff | cool, thanks peter |
| 01:17.01 | abrotman | directhex: ok :) |
| 01:17.02 | resiak | abrotman: PS2s have 2 USB and one 1394 |
| 01:17.06 | directhex | abrotman, except on final-model ps2's and the new slimline model, which have no firewire |
| 01:17.09 | kaitiff | I'm trying to do my first kernel recompile on an older lapper, not having much success.. |
| 01:17.11 | resiak | directhex: Damn your typing speed. |
| 01:17.12 | abrotman | directhex: yeah ... |
| 01:17.14 | madclicker | peterS: so how would one go about installing sid? |
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| 01:17.28 | peterS | madclicker: with the sarge installer. it has an option for going straight to sid |
| 01:17.30 | Flimzy | resiak: strange... my PS2 only has 2 buttons and a scroll wheel.... |
| 01:17.34 | toresbe | argh |
| 01:17.41 | toresbe | stupid ne2000 pos card |
| 01:17.41 | resiak | Flimzy: Hah. |
| 01:17.56 | peterS | madclicker: I don't remember for sure, but I think that option appears only if you select expert mode at boot time |
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| 01:18.07 | kaitiff | is this the correct channel for n00b questions regarding recompiling a kernel? |
| 01:18.16 | ^c | kaitiff: not really |
| 01:18.21 | FieldySnuts | @noob |
| 01:18.22 | ravenbird | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 01:18.29 | cef | peterS: you can do that with the old woody installer too by 'editing the sources manually' during the install process |
| 01:18.32 | madclicker | peterS: i'll read up on it, thanks for the info. |
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| 01:18.53 | sussudio | kaitiff: try irc.oftc.net #kernel-newbies |
| 01:18.54 | stew | kaitiff: read the kernel-howto and /msg dpkg kp |
| 01:18.55 | peterS | cef: true enough. madclicker's real problem here is finding an install image that includes a 2.6.10 kernel, for his SATA chip |
| 01:19.40 | nz | hey, i need some help with usb pen drives, i've built my own kernel, and i have all the modules i needed (i think), and the drive is detected, but i cant mount it |
| 01:19.49 | Sim`zZz | hi can i want install ipv6 on a debian with a old kernel ??? |
| 01:20.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate Sim`zZz |
| 01:20.10 | ravenbird | !irritate Sim`zZz |
| 01:20.11 | dpkg | Sim`zZz: wenas how does I run teh edonkey lol |
| 01:20.14 | Flimzy | Sim`zZz: You can want anything. |
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| 01:20.36 | jstevens | peterS: Sound loaded fine this time after adding those to modules directly into /etc/modules ... why would it be that hotplug would "load" them, but not work like that? |
| 01:21.34 | ayam- | hi all, why the output from available space/used space is different between du -sh and df -h |
| 01:21.40 | peterS | jstevens: the problem as I see it is that snd-intel8x0m (the modem driver that makes your modem look like a sound card) somehow gets loaded before snd-intel8x0 (your real sound chip driver) |
| 01:22.05 | peterS | jstevens: so you get what appear to be two sound card outputs, and the first of these is what apps will normally pick for output, unless you configure your apps |
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| 01:22.13 | jstevens | peterS, I can see how that would be a problem |
| 01:22.28 | peterS | jstevens: and the first one, snd-intel8x0m, sends your pretty music to the modem port, where it's hard to hear |
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| 01:22.40 | jstevens | peterS: I follow |
| 01:23.02 | peterS | jstevens: anyway, by putting snd-intel8x0 directly in /etc/modules, you guarantee that it loads first, since that file is processed before hotplug starts up |
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| 01:24.40 | ayam- | hi all, why the output from available space/used space is different between du -sh and df -h |
| 01:24.56 | jstevens | peterS: cool, that makes sense and all, thanks for the help & for the explanation |
| 01:25.03 | peterS | jstevens: no problem |
| 01:25.07 | peterS | ayam-: because of filesystem overhead |
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| 01:25.51 | peterS | ayam-: du doesn't count space used by the journal in a journalling filesystem, or by the inodes and free block bitmaps and such |
| 01:26.06 | ayam- | peterS: how to sync thos output, i like to know the real usage ? |
| 01:26.18 | resiak | !worship peterS |
| 01:26.37 | directhex | peterS, that's some really great insight, thanks for sharing it. /me takes notes |
| 01:26.44 | peterS | ayam-: du is how much space your files take. df is how much space the filesystem is using as a whole. they're slightly different things, so it depends on which answer you care about |
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| 01:27.35 | distempr | Where can I check the status of sarge? |
| 01:27.46 | ayam- | peterS: total used space from du doesnt ,match with df |
| 01:28.28 | resiak | ayam-: That's what he's saying. |
| 01:28.28 | peterS | ayam-: right. it'll be close but it won't be exact |
| 01:28.44 | thechise | How and which file do I modify now to get my alsa devices working with udev. before, I changed the permissions in my udev.permissions file. but since the latest upgrade my dsp and mixer permissions won't hold after reboot again. i am running unstable....thanks |
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| 01:29.00 | peterS | ayam-: the other thing du doesn't count is files which have been deleted but are still open by some process. such files continue to take up disk space until they're closed - at which time they *really* go away |
| 01:29.00 | ayam- | peterS: its far away from close |
| 01:29.21 | ayam- | oic |
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| 01:29.34 | peterS | ayam-: occasionally the deleted-but-still-open file case will make a big difference, like if you're running cdrecord and you delete a 500 MB .iso file that cdrecord is still burning |
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| 01:29.41 | peterS | ayam-: du will no longer know about those 500 MB that are still in use |
| 01:29.42 | Charms | Flimzy: Hmm, okay, it went past that.. but now its failed processing "cvs". |
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| 01:29.51 | Smurg | How do I configure my mail box so that I can receive mail? |
| 01:30.01 | stew | ayam-: check lsof for files that are deleted but being kept open (like a big log file that has a tail -f still attached to it maybe) |
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| 01:30.22 | khanman | anyone using Smb4k? was wondering if someone might have an insight into why i cant mount samba shares correctly under the 2.6 kernel..but when i boot into 2.4 it works fine....under 2.6 the shares appear in the share browser but are like dimly lit..and when i open the mount-point i get garbage...this only happens under 2.6 |
| 01:30.26 | ayam- | ic, thanks all for the info |
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| 01:30.58 | peterS | ayam-: the other thing is the fs journal. ext3, reiserfs, xfs, etc. have a several-megabyte journal in the filesystem which du doesn't know about |
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| 01:31.44 | khanman | btw this problem doesnt occur using Linneighborhood... |
| 01:32.12 | nz | hey, i need some help with my kernel and usb pendrives.. |
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| 01:32.19 | drlion | should I generally prefer sending bug reports directly to upstream developers or to the Debian bug tracking system? |
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| 01:32.36 | resiak | drlion: BTS. |
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| 01:32.46 | jstevens | nz: what's the issue? |
| 01:33.04 | stew | nz: do you have hotplug installed? when you plug in the drive, if you are watching /var/log/messages you should see what /dev/ its attached to |
| 01:33.11 | zamolxes | nz, modprobe uhci-hcb usb-storage usbcore |
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| 01:33.16 | doub | hi there |
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| 01:33.52 | nz | jstevens, ste, zamolxes : the device is detected, but i cant mount it |
| 01:34.00 | nichos | is anyone using spam assasin? Im trying to get it to learn from my junk mailbox, which is in mbox format. I issue: sa-learn --spam Junk (which is the name of the junk mbox) and it says it examined only 1 messaged, and learned from 0. Is this right? |
| 01:34.02 | thu | can I theoretically have 1.2.3.4/24 and 1.2.3.4/16 on the same network segment without any conflicts? |
| 01:34.08 | zamolxes | nz, more details please :) |
| 01:34.15 | stew | nz: does fdisk -l show any partitions on it? |
| 01:34.16 | jstevens | do you have it in fstab? |
| 01:34.21 | nz | stew, yep |
| 01:34.25 | nz | can i paste 6lines in here? |
| 01:34.37 | stew | nz: no use paster or #flood |
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| 01:34.57 | zamolxes | thu, the former is included in the latter? |
| 01:35.01 | SaidinUnleashed | how can I edit my locale settings? |
| 01:35.02 | nz | zamolxes, stew : check flood |
| 01:35.21 | nz | zamolxes, stew : i put the dmesg output there |
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| 01:36.20 | drlion | resiak: the rationale being? |
| 01:36.46 | nz | stew, zamolxes : i am using vfat |
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| 01:38.17 | GauntletWizard | How do I get sarge to run X properly with my Nvidia graphics card? |
| 01:38.45 | ayam- | peterS: lsof helps alot, syslog-ng handle too much file, 3 syslog-ng is runnning, so i killall the syslog-ng first, updatedb, check again with lsof, and run again the syslog-ng, viola ... du and df are match :) |
| 01:38.54 | Charms | Has anyone successfully installed XFCE4 in sarge? I THINK i've upgraded correctly from woody to sarge (not sure how i can confirm that or not..) and I'm still having trouble getting xfce4 to work. |
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| 01:39.46 | abrotman | Charms: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
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| 01:40.07 | Charms | abrotman: I did those two steps. dist-upgrade says 0 packages to instlal/upgrade/etc. |
| 01:40.31 | abrotman | Charms: apt-get install xfce |
| 01:40.44 | abrotman | err xfce4 |
| 01:40.52 | Charms | abrotman: I thought xfce4 was downloaded from www.xfce.org? |
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| 01:41.08 | abrotman | Charms: hopefully you didn't do it that way |
| 01:41.10 | toresbe | Charms: the sources are. Debian packages them neatly for you |
| 01:41.16 | Charms | abrotman: i tried to =( |
| 01:41.26 | Doow | What's the best/easiest option to give someone access as a user to my hobbyserver? I want to limit them to a specific area of the filesystem(so chroot looks good) and only use ancrypted communication. Problem is that it looks lika a pita to get chroot to work for this |
| 01:41.29 | toresbe | Charms: good thing you didn't have build-essential :P |
| 01:41.34 | Charms | toresbe: Really? Wow, that would have saved me alot of time. My problem was that in woody, xfce4 doesn't exist as a package. |
| 01:41.39 | Charms | toresbe: Build essential? |
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| 01:41.55 | resiak | drlion: The rational being that the bug might be related to a Debian-specific change. In any case, it prevents unnecessary multiple notifications being sent to upstream. |
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| 01:42.03 | Doow | I've been looking at http://www.tjw.org/chroot-login-HOWTO/ |
| 01:42.04 | toresbe | Charms: it's a package containing the essential packages when building from source |
| 01:42.36 | abrotman | Doow: sounds about right |
| 01:42.38 | JRWR | can some one help me get my PCMCIA modem working (kernel 2.4.18 "woody" TI PCMCIA slot pII 333mhz laptop) |
| 01:42.51 | nz | stew, zamolxes : could it be because i didnt compile in files systems>pseudo filesystems>/dev ? |
| 01:42.57 | Charms | abrotman: Hm, thats concerning.. no package xfce4 found =( |
| 01:43.01 | Doow | abrotman: ok =( |
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| 01:43.15 | zamolxes | nz, don't know |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | Charms: apt-cache search xfce |
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| 01:43.33 | Nexus | I'm trying to do a custom compile of courier-maildrop and every time it configures it loops. Anyone seen that? |
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| 01:43.46 | abrotman | Nexus: debian sources or thiers? |
| 01:43.50 | khanman | here is the error from /var/messages Feb 8 20:41:59 sybil kernel: smb_proc_readdir_long: error=-2, breaking |
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| 01:43.52 | Doow | there's no easier way? all I need is filetransfer really |
| 01:43.56 | Charms | abrotman: xfce - the cholesterol free desktop environment? |
| 01:44.16 | drlion | resiak: I see |
| 01:44.17 | abrotman | Charms: in your /etc/apt/sources.list .. does it say woody/stable/sarge/testing ? |
| 01:44.19 | Doow | I know how to do it with proftpd, but that's not encrypted |
| 01:44.27 | JRWR | So any one willing to help? |
| 01:44.35 | toresbe | shit, I think the network card has been the fault of all my misery |
| 01:44.44 | toresbe | it sends but doesn't recieve :| |
| 01:44.46 | OpenRealty | how many simultaneous users approximately do thing a pII apache server could handle |
| 01:44.50 | Charms | abrotman: it has deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib, and similar stuff. |
| 01:45.01 | JRWR | about 10-20 |
| 01:45.04 | abrotman | OpenRealty: probably way more than your bandwidth can handle |
| 01:45.09 | JRWR | lol |
| 01:45.10 | Charms | abrotman: Hm.. perhaps if.. hm.. ah.. i did another apt-get update, and now cache search finds it. its still not in dselect though. |
| 01:45.12 | abrotman | Charms: well .. something isn't right |
| 01:45.12 | Nexus | abrotman, Debian sources |
| 01:45.16 | OpenRealty | haha yeah I only have adsl |
| 01:45.23 | abrotman | Nexus: maybe there's a bug on the package? |
| 01:45.35 | OpenRealty | I want to build a apache cluster |
| 01:45.43 | OpenRealty | out of old pcs |
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| 01:45.52 | Nexus | Why won't courier-maildrop just work...! |
| 01:46.00 | abrotman | why are you compiling it? |
| 01:46.13 | toresbe | OpenRealty: nah, make a graphics cluster instead |
| 01:46.15 | Nexus | Because it needs to have mysql support. |
| 01:46.23 | toresbe | OpenRealty: write it all in assembly, even the OS kernel |
| 01:46.31 | toresbe | ~ v~ |
| 01:46.33 | JRWR | Can ony one help me get my PCMCIA slot working linux does not whant to run the mods for PCMCIA |
| 01:46.36 | abrotman | Nexus: isn't there a courier-mysql package |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:46.37 | toresbe | oops |
| 01:46.45 | Nexus | I'm just a step away from having a working mail server after many times of trying and failing. The problem here is that maildrop isn't working with mysql. |
| 01:46.47 | abrotman | JRWR: apt-cache search pcmcia |
| 01:46.56 | OpenRealty | toresbe: you mean for rendering raytraced images? |
| 01:47.02 | toresbe | OpenRealty: yeah |
| 01:47.06 | thechise | How and which file do I modify now to get my alsa devices working with udev. before, I changed the permissions in my udev.permissions file. but since the latest upgrade my dsp and mixer permissions won't hold after reboot again. i am running unstable....thanks |
| 01:47.14 | meff | how do i change the gtk1,2 theme when using gnome? no matter what i do, if i choose a theme that only has a gtk2 theme, it'll overwrite my gtk1,2 theme with the default crap.. |
| 01:47.27 | JRWR | got all of them alreay |
| 01:47.43 | OpenRealty | toresbe: can I sell burnt cpu cycles |
| 01:48.03 | toresbe | OpenRealty: not in such a small volume |
| 01:48.34 | abrotman | JRWR: are you sure it's even supported in linux ? |
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| 01:48.42 | detritus | for some odd reason, i cannot compile any kernel I try, whether it's with the debian patches or the stock kernel, using make-kpkg and not. see #flood for compile error output. |
| 01:48.44 | JRWR | its a TI |
| 01:48.52 | abrotman | so what? |
| 01:48.54 | Nexus | abrotman, I've got courier-mysql. Maildrop is a separate package. |
| 01:49.02 | OpenRealty | toresbe: damn -- my dream is to have it wind powered |
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| 01:49.09 | abrotman | Nexus: oh .. i thought maybe it would give you mysql support |
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| 01:49.28 | abrotman | Nexus: you sure it's not just a config option? |
| 01:49.56 | JRWR | here we go |
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| 01:50.37 | JRWR | CardBus bridgeL Texas Intruments PCI 1211 |
| 01:50.51 | Nexus | abrotman, Pretty sure. I've tried a lot of things, and from what I read, debian took out mysql from the package default. Why I don't know... |
| 01:51.12 | abrotman | Nexus: lovely .. you could email the maintainer .. ask him ? |
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| 01:51.29 | asg | Nexus: read the changelog, it should indicate why (or the README.Debian file in /usr/share/doc/<pkg>) |
| 01:52.12 | JRWR | does linux even support CardBus bridge: Texas Intruments PCI 1211 |
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| 01:52.17 | abrotman | google |
| 01:52.21 | abrotman | !beer asg |
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| 01:52.26 | Nexus | This just sucks... The thing just loops and loops. |
| 01:52.26 | asg | abrotman: :) whoohoo |
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| 01:52.57 | x1bncwn | anyone have an idea about why i would have tiny fonts in gtk applications in kde, well in at least one gtk-application, which ive reinstalled several times with no fix |
| 01:52.58 | picard | what is the user that apt-getting apache2 creates? |
| 01:53.06 | abrotman | www-data |
| 01:53.10 | x1bncwn | ive tryed reconfiguring a few things also, but apparently not the right things |
| 01:53.23 | abrotman | !gtk fonts |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:53.34 | JRWR | so do i even have hope to get this thing online |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 01:53.37 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 01:53.39 | asg | JRWR: also, check tuxmobile.org for laptop user info |
| 01:53.42 | abrotman | i bet that's not right :) |
| 01:53.50 | abrotman | !gtk font change |
| 01:53.51 | dpkg | well, gtk font change is switch from the gtk-theme-switch package for gtk1 apps, switch2 from the same for gtk2. |
| 01:53.55 | x1bncwn | i think its gtk2 actually |
| 01:54.04 | x1bncwn | hrm |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | !gtk2 font |
| 01:54.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gtk2 font is to change the default font, add something like "gtk-font-name = "Verdana 12"" to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 01:54.34 | Nexus | Anyone here got maildrop working with mysql by chance? |
| 01:54.47 | x1bncwn | i didnt have to do anything for it to work yesterday |
| 01:55.05 | x1bncwn | but now that ive reinstalled some stuff, the fonts are tiny now, guess ill try that |
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| 01:55.37 | alexscott | ++ |
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| 01:55.42 | abrotman | Nexus: you might want to poke your head in #courier .. though they may just send you right back here |
| 01:55.57 | Nexus | abrotman, Yea, I just poked my head in there. See if anyone is awake... |
| 01:56.00 | JRWR | dam AOL |
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| 01:56.13 | abrotman | JRWR: tell your parents to switch |
| 01:56.26 | JRWR | she whant netzero them |
| 01:56.32 | JRWR | then* |
| 01:56.37 | karsten | OT, I just had to get this off my chest... http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/gnome-is-fucked-seven-ways-from-sunday.txt |
| 01:56.45 | abrotman | erm .. dunno .. i have earthlink as a back up .. works perfectly fine |
| 01:56.49 | asg | karsten: :) |
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| 01:57.03 | JRWR | is there a netrzero for linux yet? |
| 01:57.16 | cthulfuego | a what? |
| 01:57.25 | JRWR | netzero for linux |
| 01:57.32 | cthulfuego | what is netzero? |
| 01:57.40 | asg | cthulfuego: dialup ISP |
| 01:57.40 | karsten | asg: What's the smiley for baring your teeth, holding a bottle of ta'kill ya, and brandishing a 357 magnum? |
| 01:57.46 | OpenRealty | toresbe: do you know of an irc channel where cluster computing is discussed? |
| 01:57.55 | cthulfuego | JRWR: Linux works with any dialup ISP. |
| 01:57.56 | karsten | cthulfuego: netone-- ? |
| 01:58.04 | gdriller | #openmosix maybe |
| 01:58.04 | abrotman | karsten: is that your rant? |
| 01:58.05 | sussudio | cthulfuego: some ad-supported isp thing |
| 01:58.05 | asg | karsten: just a quick scan of the filename indicated the rant should be good |
| 01:58.10 | directhex | cthulfuego, aol? |
| 01:58.12 | abrotman | cthulfuego: cheap ISP in states |
| 01:58.12 | karsten | asg: Yes. |
| 01:58.16 | karsten | abrotman: ;-) |
| 01:58.29 | karsten | cthulfuego: netzero's a VOIP thing. |
| 01:58.32 | OpenRealty | thanks gdriller |
| 01:58.33 | cthulfuego | karsten: -5 + -2^2 + 1 |
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| 01:58.40 | directhex | OpenRealty, what do you need? besides myrinet |
| 01:58.54 | cthulfuego | karsten: Oh, I need to add an autoignore on VoIP i think |
| 01:58.56 | JRWR | cthulfuego| Netzero is like AOL |
| 01:59.10 | abrotman | karsten: dunno .. well not being trivial everywhere .. in debian .. afaik .. you install the app .. gets all the crap it needs |
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| 01:59.15 | Delparnel | Hi, I am having problems running Skype and Audacity at the same time.. any suggestions? |
| 01:59.16 | cthulfuego | JRWR: You're not making it any better |
| 01:59.24 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 01:59.27 | Doow | d |
| 01:59.32 | hery | hello all |
| 01:59.32 | Doow | oops |
| 01:59.35 | asg | karsten: > Oh, never mind, found it -- /etc/mailcap. <----- hahahahaha |
| 01:59.36 | abrotman | karsten: perhaps i should rephrase .. gtk apps :) |
| 01:59.39 | hery | I need some help |
| 01:59.43 | karsten | abrotman: See the Nautilus Usage Report link as well. |
| 01:59.44 | kenboo | how to detect slave devices on SMbus? |
| 01:59.50 | karsten | hery: I need some money. We got a deal? |
| 02:00.04 | hery | karsten, :D |
| 02:00.06 | karsten | kenboo: Look for the ones with the flog scars on their backs.... |
| 02:00.16 | abrotman | karsten: in the same link? |
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| 02:00.31 | quittt | something strange hapenned here |
| 02:00.33 | karsten | abrotman: referenced there. Link http://zgp.org/linux-elitists/20040202121712.GB32742@ix.netcom.com.html |
| 02:00.36 | quittt | I use aMSN |
| 02:00.41 | karsten | quittt: Frequently. |
| 02:00.43 | abrotman | karsten: and nautilus is far from a gnome app IMO |
| 02:00.46 | quittt | than I reboot the fonts changed... it is lower |
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| 02:00.53 | quittt | very strange |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | karsten: yes .. it's part of gnome .. but it's not really an app |
| 02:01.01 | JRWR | "tuxmobile.org" does not help me any |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | karsten: IMO anyways |
| 02:01.03 | karsten | abrotman: Um. It's the default GNOME desktop/file mangler. |
| 02:01.07 | xi | anybody here broken alot of php scripts lately? |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | karsten: but you don't need it if you run gnome |
| 02:01.13 | Nexus | abrotman, Is there a way for me to compile from normal source and then pretend the deb package is installed? |
| 02:01.20 | karsten | abrotman: Wrong. |
| 02:01.22 | abrotman | Nexus: ermm .. yes |
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| 02:01.25 | hery | i have installed a debian and my ican't use lessthan or greaterthan key |
| 02:01.27 | JRWR | or my Lucent MOdem working! |
| 02:01.32 | JRWR | ether one! |
| 02:01.32 | abrotman | karsten: i could kill it off now if i chose |
| 02:01.35 | hery | could someone hel p me |
| 02:01.37 | karsten | abrotman: Nautilus is The Master Hive Of All That Is MIME Extension Mappings. |
| 02:01.40 | hery | ? |
| 02:01.43 | karsten | abrotman: This according to the Galeon devs. |
| 02:02.13 | abrotman | karsten: i wasn't under that impression .. but since i start most files from a shell .. i may not notice :) |
| 02:02.22 | karsten | abrotman: So in order to map MIME bindings, I apparently need to either completely fuck up my existing desktop environment, or remember a half dozen arcane invocation argumantes. |
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| 02:02.28 | karsten | abrotman: Browser associations. |
| 02:03.29 | abrotman | karsten: then . erm .. don't run nautilus ? |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | karsten: nautilus is invasive ... |
| 02:03.52 | karsten | abrotman: Um. So how the FUCK do I set my MIME associations? |
| 02:03.57 | karsten | abrotman: There is no alternative. |
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| 02:04.55 | abrotman | karsten: i thought i had seen the damn thing somewhere |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | karsten: of course .. now i can't find it :) |
| 02:05.09 | abrotman | but i did just find some printer tool |
| 02:05.11 | resiak | karsten: I'm vaguely with you on this, much as I like Gnome. (Yes, I'm one of _those_ people.) Nautilus is unusable from within XFce, not only for the reasons that you state but also because it loses all its icons. |
| 02:05.15 | abrotman | not that i have a tree killer |
| 02:05.22 | quittt | do you know a good MSN client? |
| 02:05.27 | asg | quittt: bitlbee |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | pick a better protocol |
| 02:05.48 | quittt | asg, something strange hapenned here |
| 02:05.55 | karsten | resiak: Yeah, that's the "it clobbers the desktop" situation. |
| 02:06.01 | asg | quittt: then you can use irssi-text to talk to irc wannabe protocols the right way |
| 02:06.05 | quittt | asg, I use aMSN than when I reboot the fonts were lower!!! |
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| 02:06.17 | toresbe | quittt: gaim is briliant |
| 02:06.36 | quittt | toresbe, ICQ support sux |
| 02:06.43 | toresbe | quittt: it does |
| 02:06.52 | resiak | karsten: No, that's not what I mean. Nautilus' icons (within the windows) just display the I've-lost-my-pixmaps piece of paper. |
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| 02:06.55 | Ronin | quittt: works fine except apparently for file transfers |
| 02:07.02 | karsten | resiak: Oh. |
| 02:07.07 | resiak | karsten: But the icons too :) |
| 02:07.07 | quittt | Ronin, yes |
| 02:07.12 | quittt | and aMSN is crazy now |
| 02:07.18 | quittt | its fonts have got lower!! |
| 02:07.21 | quittt | and I dont know why |
| 02:07.26 | quittt | it hapenned suddenly! |
| 02:07.29 | resiak | !tell quittt -about enter |
| 02:07.30 | karsten | |rufius|: ...and your fucking point is? |
| 02:07.38 | sussudio | !irritate quitte |
| 02:07.38 | dpkg | quitte: HELP ME!!! who uses gnome thx |
| 02:07.40 | sussudio | meh. |
| 02:07.44 | asg | quittt: have you upgraded it recently? |
| 02:07.44 | resiak | If I had a penny for every time that I'd used !enter... |
| 02:07.51 | quittt | asg, no |
| 02:07.59 | toresbe | resiak: you'd have several pennies? :P |
| 02:08.03 | |rufius| | karsten: just taking note. |
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| 02:08.17 | quittt | sussudio, I am quittt not quitte |
| 02:08.25 | abrotman | karsten: i feel your pain though .. it's a pain to get oracle setup without a gui or a script |
| 02:08.31 | resiak | quittt: Your user name sucks either way ;) |
| 02:08.35 | resiak | toresbe: If I hadn't trashed my logs the other day, I'd grep them... |
| 02:08.37 | june | hi, any body know anything bout XEBIAN?? |
| 02:08.40 | june | hi, any body know anything bout XEBIAN?? |
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| 02:08.50 | karsten | abrotman: Does oracle still use the utterly fucked Java installer? |
| 02:08.51 | asg | june: please feel free to fuck off |
| 02:08.51 | *** mode/#debian [+q june!*@*] by caphuso |
| 02:08.54 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | karsten: oh yeah :) .. this was 9i |
| 02:09.06 | Vantage | where can you get the .config file that debian uses in its stock kernels? |
| 02:09.12 | caphuso | Vantage: /boot/config* |
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| 02:09.25 | Vantage | thanks |
| 02:09.29 | toresbe | june: Repeating is concidered horribly lame |
| 02:09.35 | karsten | abrotman: Ya gotta wonder about fuckwittedness like that. Though FWIW, DB2 was about equally fucked. |
| 02:09.45 | karsten | toresbe: June is long gone. It's February. |
| 02:09.48 | asg | caphuso: thanks, btw, I hacked the qotd parser in perl (3 times slower than your sed pipeline but it handles 2 boundary cases and par formatting works) |
| 02:09.49 | directhex | so is runnign dodgy debian-for-xbox |
| 02:09.52 | EvanCarroll | ok poll who likes melazyboy.no-ip.com I'm not a web designer but I was able to come up with that, any problems with colors or format? |
| 02:09.59 | caphuso | asg: nice job |
| 02:09.59 | toresbe | Piano For Dummies.pdf |
| 02:09.59 | toresbe | Piano For Dummies.torrent |
| 02:09.59 | toresbe | [Pirate Bay] MS Windows 98 SE Norsk |
| 02:09.59 | toresbe | [Pirate Bay] MS Windows 98 SE Norsk.torrent |
| 02:09.59 | toresbe | siggraph_movie.avi.torrent |
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| 02:10.04 | abrotman | karsten: well .. once i spent a bit of time .. oracle9i was cake .. but the Appserver sucks .. |
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| 02:10.11 | einsteinmg | hmmm it seems that firefox crashes on some inet sites |
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| 02:10.12 | toresbe | fuck |
| 02:10.13 | sussudio | ... |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | toresbe: don't flood .. jeez |
| 02:10.17 | toresbe | fuck fuck fuck |
| 02:10.17 | resiak | toresbe: You moron. |
| 02:10.19 | toresbe | sorry |
| 02:10.19 | einsteinmg | http://einsteinmg.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/remangle.cgi?=0x27b9b660 |
| 02:10.23 | resiak | toresbe: :) |
| 02:10.25 | directhex | !lose toresbe |
| 02:10.25 | karsten | einsteinmg: Name the sites and file a bug. |
| 02:10.25 | dpkg | toresbe: You Lose. |
| 02:10.27 | asg | caphuso: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/qotd2for |
| 02:10.32 | abrotman | toresbe: you're pirating win98 for a pdp7?? |
| 02:10.32 | directhex | !magic hate ball |
| 02:10.38 | toresbe | sneezed and a right-click became a middle-click :P |
| 02:10.39 | resiak | directhex: Debian Xbox? |
| 02:10.46 | sussudio | err. |
| 02:10.52 | einsteinmg | karsten: http://einsteinmg.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/remangle.cgi?=0x27b9b660 |
| 02:10.55 | sussudio | !factinfo CMD: magic (.*?) |
| 02:10.55 | dpkg | cmd: magic (.*?) -- created by cafuego <~cafuego@macchiato.cc.com.au> 1d 19h 40m 49s ago. |
| 02:10.56 | directhex | resiak, xebian |
| 02:11.02 | resiak | directhex: Ah, heh. |
| 02:11.06 | karsten | einsteinmg: I didn't say show me. I said file a bug. |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | einsteinmg: no .. file a bug |
| 02:11.11 | toresbe | abrotman: I have a legal OEM license. it's for some strange data recovery software for DOS |
| 02:11.11 | sussudio | !literal CMD: magic (.*?) |
| 02:11.11 | dpkg | CMD: magic (.*?) is ($1): <action> turns $1 into (a toad|a mushroom|a white dove|a smelly pigeon|a small child|an elephant|a badger) |
| 02:11.15 | resiak | june: Piss off. |
| 02:11.16 | karsten | einsteinmg: I've got no interest in crashing my browser. |
| 02:11.17 | directhex | cthulfuego, you broke the magic hate ball :( |
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| 02:11.38 | einsteinmg | karsten: debian bts or bugzilla? |
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| 02:11.46 | karsten | einsteinmg: either or both. |
| 02:11.48 | abrotman | einsteinmg: start with debians |
| 02:11.52 | einsteinmg | k :) |
| 02:11.54 | karsten | einsteinmg: I'd do Debian myself. |
| 02:11.54 | einsteinmg | thx |
| 02:11.59 | abrotman | einsteinmg: if they need to .. they ship upstream |
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| 02:12.12 | caphuso | asg: hehe, "use strict;" but not a single non-default variable in there :) |
| 02:12.33 | asg | caphuso: you always have to cover your ass ;) |
| 02:12.48 | asg | caphuso: it had variables during an earlier iteration |
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| 02:13.58 | jcook | kernel question: ... I have 2 boxes. One=2.4.27, Two=2.6.9. On the 2.4 kern, in /proc/stat there is "disk_io". Wehre is that in 2.6 ? |
| 02:14.30 | abrotman | karsten: it really does amaze that industry leading applications require X to install :) |
| 02:14.41 | asg | caphuso: I wasn't able to clearly figure out why par wanted to fubar some factoids but it seemed like '%\n\%\n' cause it to go ape and assume '<' was a prefix to be appended to some newline cases. |
| 02:14.43 | resiak | asg: What help topic should I read to learn how to use the vim: line at the bottom? |
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| 02:15.05 | abrotman | resiak: google "vim set options" |
| 02:15.09 | resiak | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 02:15.21 | abrotman | resiak: but there are a ton of things on the www.vim.org |
| 02:15.21 | asg | resiak: vim.org should have a good writeup |
| 02:15.50 | karsten | abrotman: The more "enterprise" the app, the more fucked the installer, IME. |
| 02:15.52 | resiak | asg, abrotman: Thanks :) |
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| 02:16.00 | mikkele | vimdoc.sf.net |
| 02:16.13 | abrotman | karsten: yeah ... sounds about right |
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| 02:18.09 | Lo_Meinix | mmmmmm MSFS |
| 02:18.45 | asg | s/Lo_Meinix/Pot_Noodle/ |
| 02:18.55 | Charms | Anyone know of a lighter browser than Firefox? It runs very slow on my pentium 200 |
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| 02:19.07 | pot | hi all |
| 02:19.07 | Lo_Meinix | A Unix flavored noodle thank you very much! |
| 02:19.08 | resiak | Charms: Dillo! |
| 02:19.08 | adjacent | Charms: links |
| 02:19.08 | ^c | Charms: lynx |
| 02:19.09 | asg | Charms: dillo, epiphany, lynx |
| 02:19.19 | Charms | Uh. something which has graphics, unlike LYnx =p |
| 02:19.19 | resiak | !poll |
| 02:19.19 | dpkg | You wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me! |
| 02:19.20 | adjacent | links rules lynx. |
| 02:19.25 | resiak | Charms: dillo] |
| 02:19.38 | Charms | resiak: Dillo? Okay, i'll try that.. let me sniff around for it. |
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| 02:19.48 | abrotman | Charms: apt-get install dillo ? |
| 02:19.55 | resiak | Charms: In case you didn't guess ... damn you, abrotman. |
| 02:20.06 | abrotman | that's right .. no guessing .. i'm damned! |
| 02:20.13 | Charms | resiak: I guessed that would be it.. i guess i'm just too dependent on deslect =p |
| 02:20.13 | Lo_Meinix | You know what I can't believe? |
| 02:20.27 | resiak | Lo_Meinix: Busted have broken up? |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | Lo_Meinix: canada isn't an american province? |
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| 02:20.43 | abrotman | err .us |
| 02:21.07 | Lo_Meinix | That this Celeron CPU can't drive full screen video as well as my old K6-2 450MHZ did. |
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| 02:21.32 | Lo_Meinix | Thats what pisses me off.....and I'm sitting here pondering what to do to improve the situation. |
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| 02:21.44 | abrotman | Lo_Meinix: capital investment |
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| 02:21.56 | caphuso | oh, there's a qotd involving me |
| 02:22.00 | GauntletWizard | How do I change the xserver to try and use an AGP device instead of PCI? |
| 02:22.09 | Lo_Meinix | resiak: I loved mine too until the cpu fan died on it.....unfortunately, being OC'ed to 550mhz didn't do well without some cooling. |
| 02:22.13 | asg | caphuso: yeah, I rather wish there was more context to it |
| 02:22.14 | jstevens | just installed mplayer... how do I get access to watching DVDs with it? |
| 02:22.21 | usr010 | help me debian says nvidia module not loaded or foundevery time i reconfig pakg X and change nv to nvidia wont start because of above ove |
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| 02:23.03 | resiak | !lose Lo_Meinix |
| 02:23.04 | dpkg | Lo_Meinix: You Lose. |
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| 02:23.17 | Lo_Meinix | I was walking through the house thinking...."what the hell is that smell?!?"......then it dawns on me |
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| 02:23.36 | karsten | asg: BTW, in my WindowMaker desktop... |
| 02:23.50 | karsten | asg: ...you can bind an action to the dock WM icon. |
| 02:24.06 | karsten | asg: Actually, seperate actions to left and middle mouse clicks. |
| 02:24.07 | Lo_Meinix | So are there any performance tweaks you guys/gals might be able to suggest....? |
| 02:24.32 | abrotman | stop running kde |
| 02:24.34 | Lo_Meinix | I can't OC the celeron....not without some fancy soldering and well....I tend to just make a mess when it comes to that. |
| 02:24.36 | asg | karsten: I don't use icons myself though that is a neat feature of WM |
| 02:24.40 | karsten | asg: Mine are the "I'm impatient with stupidity" line from The Day the Earth Stood Still", and "I'm not quite familiar with that phrase" from Princess bride. |
| 02:24.50 | asg | karsten: haha :) |
| 02:24.53 | karsten | asg: ...apropos the whole gnome fuckedness issue. |
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| 02:25.21 | Lo_Meinix | abrotman: so how do I start X without KDE loading?....I mean....I could try that and it would free some resources..... |
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| 02:25.38 | abrotman | Lo_Meinix: you really run kde? |
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| 02:26.03 | Lo_Meinix | Why is everyone shocked when I say I do run KDE? |
| 02:26.09 | abrotman | because it's a hog? |
| 02:26.16 | asg | abrotman: bacon sandwich? |
| 02:26.20 | Lo_Meinix | What would you suggest? |
| 02:26.21 | abrotman | asg: piggy!! |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | Lo_Meinix: anything else |
| 02:26.26 | Piggy | O_O |
| 02:26.34 | Nexus | How does a debian packages version compare to the actual source package versions? |
| 02:26.34 | Lo_Meinix | abrotman: windows? |
| 02:26.35 | Bols | Lo_Meinix, don't ask the question... just emerge -C kde-base :) |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | asg: oh .. may i have one? |
| 02:26.45 | abrotman | Bols: wrong channel |
| 02:26.53 | Bols | Argh.. lol |
| 02:26.54 | Bols | :p |
| 02:26.57 | Bols | sorry |
| 02:26.59 | resiak | Lo_Meinix: Fluxbox, XFce... |
| 02:27.05 | asg | abrotman: well, I made biscuits for dinner, so s/sandwich/biscuit/ |
| 02:27.13 | Lo_Meinix | resiak: what do you use? |
| 02:27.13 | resiak | Lo_Meinix: Both are usable on my old K6-2. |
| 02:27.25 | abrotman | asg: oh ok .. sounds good .. can i get some chowder with my biscuit? |
| 02:27.33 | resiak | Lo_Meinix: On the K6-2, I use tty6 and screen ;) |
| 02:27.36 | abrotman | Lo_Meinix: how much RAM? |
| 02:27.51 | resiak | Lo_Meinix: On this box, I use XFce. Flux is probably wiser. |
| 02:27.54 | Lo_Meinix | resiak: ok let me qualify my statement....my k6-2 ran full screen video smoothly w/ KDE :) |
| 02:27.59 | Lo_Meinix | 192mb ram |
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| 02:28.39 | asg | abrotman: lamb fry chowder? interesting. |
| 02:28.45 | common | without kde you can run a video and work in ooo |
| 02:28.55 | abrotman | asg: i prefer NE clam chowder .. fish chowder is ok too |
| 02:29.33 | asg | abrotman: yeah, the best you could get here is bottom-feeder chowder (unless you import from up north) |
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| 02:29.45 | steve-^ | hi all |
| 02:29.49 | steve-^ | how do I get into edit mode with vi? |
| 02:29.51 | abrotman | asg: you guys have clams down there .. you could make some :) |
| 02:29.56 | abrotman | !vi tutorial |
| 02:29.57 | detritus | hit insert |
| 02:29.57 | dpkg | it has been said that vi tutorial is at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html, or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 02:30.01 | Lo_Meinix | steve-^: INSERT |
| 02:30.01 | asg | steve-^: hit ESC a few times then 'i' |
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| 02:30.25 | detritus | for some odd reason, i cannot compile any kernel I try, whether it's with the debian patches or the stock kernel, using make-kpkg and not. see #flood for compile error output. |
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| 02:30.38 | asg | abrotman: not good clams, that's for sure. |
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| 02:31.03 | SilentBob | What is the kernel source package name in apt? |
| 02:31.05 | SilentBob | On the sarge cds |
| 02:31.09 | abrotman | asg: i thought NC had clams all over |
| 02:31.19 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 02:31.28 | caphuso | asg: http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/linagee |
| 02:31.29 | asg | abrotman: none that I've ever seen but I live a way from the sea. |
| 02:31.34 | abrotman | detritus: you have to tell us before you paste |
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| 02:31.42 | abrotman | asg: i guess ... |
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| 02:32.17 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:32.18 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
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| 02:33.25 | SilentBob | !kernel-source |
| 02:33.28 | detritus | pasted |
| 02:33.30 | SilentBob | !dpkg |
| 02:33.31 | dpkg | well, dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 02:33.35 | asg | caphuso: hehe, we managed to get slackware on a PB 486/33 many moons ago. |
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| 02:33.43 | sphyenx | hello. |
| 02:33.53 | abrotman | detritus: use the paste bot |
| 02:33.54 | jcurry | abrotman, i tried third-party tomcat5 packages, and i still get the same error...so it is a problem with su...would you know how to trouble-shoot this? |
| 02:33.55 | SilentBob | What is the name of the kernel source package for apt? |
| 02:34.08 | abrotman | jcurry: did you muck with pam stuff? |
| 02:34.26 | rxc | hello, i used to be able to type characters such as a superscript 2 by pressing MODESWITCH+2... but now i cannot.. any idea? |
| 02:34.28 | abrotman | SilentBob: apt-cache search kernel-source |
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| 02:34.55 | asg | SilentBob: apt-cache search kernel source |
| 02:35.05 | SilentBob | asg, That shows nothing |
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| 02:35.08 | eatmyshor | I am here to let you know of a new site that just launched. www.FreeStuffNation.com . get all kinds of free stuff (free ipods/free minimacs/free lcd monitors). |
| 02:35.11 | eatmyshor | www.freestuffnation.com |
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| 02:35.13 | SilentBob | er abrotman that shows nothing |
| 02:35.24 | asg | SilentBob: then pipe it to 'grep ^kernel-source' |
| 02:35.29 | jumbo | hello |
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| 02:35.41 | abrotman | SilentBob: then the kernel sources aren't on the CD |
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| 02:36.16 | jcurry | abrotman, i didn't change the su file, but i played around with pam_usb...at least, i don't think i touched it |
| 02:36.27 | jcurry | abrotman, how would i get it back to default? |
| 02:36.32 | asg | caphuso: 05:49 linagee> thomas_adam: LOL. it was a hard problem because it never said "can't get non-us from us.debian.org!" LOL <------ coup de grace |
| 02:36.45 | caphuso | asg: hahaha |
| 02:36.46 | GauntletWizard | How can I change the Nvidia driver for X from trying to use a PCI card to AGP? |
| 02:36.52 | thomas_adam | ? |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | jcurry: erm .. maybe reinstall it ? |
| 02:37.02 | Nexus | When I try to configure source, the thing goes in a loop. Why would this happen? |
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| 02:37.14 | caphuso | asg: we need another special case for qotd #48 :-( |
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| 02:37.32 | sphyenx | i use a sFTP for my webpage on windows.. but that was a month ago, how come gFTP wont let me connect to the site? |
| 02:37.36 | paster | "detritus" at 66.202.195.11 pasted "kernel compile error" (2568 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/255 |
| 02:37.37 | asg | caphuso: yeah, there are a few that are problematic. |
| 02:37.53 | jcurry | abrotman, the /etc/pam.d/su file is in the login package...but it doesn't give me a new copy (i backed up the old one) if i reinstall login...how else would i do it? |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | detritus: that's a lovely error |
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| 02:38.15 | asg | caphuso: also, the 'nick |' ones |
| 02:38.24 | detritus | abrotman: tell me about it. it's driving me up the wall |
| 02:38.32 | abrotman | !b-e detritus |
| 02:38.33 | dpkg | detritus: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 02:38.34 | abrotman | just to make sure |
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| 02:39.00 | abrotman | jcurry: i'm really not sure .. is this an external server? |
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| 02:39.09 | jcurry | abrotman, what do you mean? |
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| 02:39.34 | detritus | !beer abrotman |
| 02:39.34 | abrotman | jcurry: is it publicly accessibly? |
| 02:39.40 | abrotman | detritus: ? |
| 02:39.45 | detritus | that's it |
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| 02:39.54 | abrotman | detritus: yeah .. you kind of need tat |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | that |
| 02:39.55 | jcurry | abrotman, not yet, but it will be |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | !tell detritus about kp |
| 02:40.12 | drp | what's a decent java ide for debian |
| 02:40.12 | jcurry | abrotman, but it is for personal use, i am hiding it with .htaccess |
| 02:40.21 | jcurry | abrotman, how does this make a difference? |
| 02:40.21 | resiak | drp: vim, emacs. |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | jcurry: you' haven't put much work into it yet have you? |
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| 02:40.47 | abrotman | drp: eclipse / jedit |
| 02:41.03 | drp | abrotman, yeah i was thinking more along the lines of those I think |
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| 02:41.12 | drp | I have vim and emacs |
| 02:41.13 | `Rage | hey,when compiling tcl on a debian system, what dir do i want to install it to / specif in the --prefix= |
| 02:41.16 | detritus | abrotman: had make-kpkg, but not build-essential - been a long time since i last referenced the make-kpkg howto |
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| 02:41.34 | jcurry | abrotman, what do you mean? i can't even get it running locally, much less allowing public access |
| 02:41.34 | abrotman | detritus:gotcha |
| 02:41.50 | abrotman | jcurry: i was implying you may need to reinstall .. mucking with pam is bad |
| 02:42.03 | jcurry | abrotman, hmm, i see |
| 02:42.04 | scorpix | is it possible to play a wav file with xdm starts? |
| 02:42.16 | abrotman | jcurry: you can try `man dpkg` and see if there's an option to restore conf files |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | scorpix: ask #xfree86 |
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| 02:42.40 | jcurry | abrotman, i'll look...if it's not pam, what else could it be? |
| 02:42.52 | abrotman | jcurry: your housemate hacked your box ! :) |
| 02:43.31 | jcurry | abrotman, no, no one can touch this |
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| 02:45.06 | jcurry | abrotman, unless you know of an easier way to get ssh access from a webpage? java servlets was the only solution i found |
| 02:45.32 | Charms | hmmhesays, how do I nkow what resolution my screen is in, in X? It looks like 640x480 even though it should be800x600.. but i can't be sure |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | jcurry: i don't even want to think about the implications of that :) |
| 02:45.54 | jcurry | abrotman, why? ssl isn't secure enough? |
| 02:46.07 | abrotman | jcurry: i thought you were serving up a java ssh client |
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| 02:46.35 | jcurry | abrotman, i planned too...for my own personal use... |
| 02:46.37 | abrotman | Charms: xdpyinfo |
| 02:46.50 | jcurry | abrotman, my school's comps don't have an ssh client installed |
| 02:46.58 | abrotman | jcurry: carry putty on a floppy |
| 02:47.07 | Charms | abrotman: okay, thanks. |
| 02:47.12 | `Rage | better yet a memory stick ;] |
| 02:47.14 | jcurry | abrotman, hackish kludge |
| 02:47.23 | try_catch_this | I just found out about a nasty cross browser exploit that dosent effect internet explorer, only firexox et al |
| 02:47.24 | try_catch_this | http://www.apple-x.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1327&mode=&order=&thold= |
| 02:47.28 | jcurry | abrotman, and plus, sometimes they don't have floppy drives :) |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | try_catch_this: wow .. you and slashdot know .. you're so smart |
| 02:47.39 | caphuso | asg: echo -e '29a30\n> s/\\\\\\\\ /\n/g; # stupid edge case in qotd #48' | patch qotd2for |
| 02:47.41 | toresbe | jcurry: buy a USB stick |
| 02:47.56 | jcurry | toresbe, usb access is restricted completely |
| 02:47.56 | toresbe | jcurry: 128 meg ones go for nothing |
| 02:47.59 | asg | caphuso: ah, cool |
| 02:48.01 | jcurry | toresbe, i have one |
| 02:48.02 | try_catch_this | abrotman: not everyone reads slashdot |
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| 02:48.10 | try_catch_this | but good point :P |
| 02:48.11 | toresbe | jcurry: ah. |
| 02:48.18 | abrotman | try_catch_this: ok .. it's been on every geek site in the last 24 hours |
| 02:48.19 | caphuso | asg: uh, no wait, that's wrong |
| 02:48.24 | abrotman | how's that? |
| 02:49.05 | caphuso | asg: echo -e '29a30\n> s/\\\\\\\\ /\\n/g; # stupid edge case in qotd #48' | patch qotd2for |
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| 02:49.31 | asg | jcurry: and you presume that no system you ever use to access your 'ssh via java via web client' is running keyloggers? |
| 02:49.48 | jcurry | asg, so what do you suggest? |
| 02:50.01 | try_catch_this | my work is done |
| 02:50.07 | `Rage | anyone know the default install dir on debian that i should use for TCL? |
| 02:50.09 | jcurry | asg, bios is password-protected, so no knoppix |
| 02:50.20 | abrotman | `Rage: apt-get install tcl ? |
| 02:51.00 | `Rage | abortman: i need special options ;] |
| 02:51.05 | abrotman | of course you do |
| 02:51.09 | `Rage | lol |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | use the source package |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | it will put it where it belongs |
| 02:51.21 | `Rage | ahh |
| 02:51.25 | Faustus | hi |
| 02:51.33 | `Rage | thanks ;] i forgot about apt-get source |
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| 02:51.40 | jcurry | abrotman, i replaced /etc/pam.d/su, and it works |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | jcurry: with what? |
| 02:51.54 | jcurry | abrotman, pam is forbidden territory, huh? :) |
| 02:52.07 | jcurry | abrotman, the file in my latest login package |
| 02:52.08 | abrotman | jcurry: you just need to be careful |
| 02:52.30 | jcurry | nah, i didn't understand it, i shouldn't have touched it |
| 02:52.48 | jcurry | abrotman, sorry for wasting your time |
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| 02:53.02 | abrotman | jcurry: nah . don't worry ... |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | jcurry: you just didn't know |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | jcurry: now you know |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | !gijoe jcole |
| 02:53.18 | dpkg | Now you know, jcole, and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe! |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | !gijoe jcurry |
| 02:53.20 | dpkg | Now you know, jcurry, and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe! |
| 02:53.30 | jcurry | what's the other half? |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | duh .. blowing up cobra!! |
| 02:53.58 | caphuso | PAM isn't much of a problem. just triplecheck everything before quitting your root shell |
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| 02:54.00 | jcurry | abrotman, do you know all of dpkg's triggers, or is there a master list somewhere? |
| 02:54.20 | abrotman | jcurry: i've been here for a while :) |
| 02:54.21 | jcurry | now i gotta go and clo that bg |
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| 02:54.33 | jcurry | bug* |
| 02:54.33 | abrotman | jcurry: and probably reinsatll tomcat4 :) |
| 02:54.35 | jcurry | how do i do that? |
| 02:54.44 | jcurry | abrotman, even as we speak... |
| 02:54.47 | caphuso | jcurry: dpkg has about 25000 factoids, i don't think anyone remembers more than a tiny subset |
| 02:54.48 | bwalls | i am limited to 800x600 resolution, how can i fix it? |
| 02:54.51 | rxc | hello, i used to be able to type characters such as a superscript 2 by pressing MODESWITCH+2... but now i cannot.. any idea? |
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| 02:55.13 | jcurry | although reportbug tells me about my bug :) (i love debian) |
| 02:55.29 | Faustus | does anyone know if deb-src http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/debian woody main is kept up to date? Can I use with sarge or unstable? |
| 02:55.30 | abrotman | jcurry: you can send to bug#@bugs.debian.org |
| 02:55.34 | bwalls | !lol |
| 02:55.34 | dpkg | lol is probably Loser On Line, good work bwalls, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 02:55.41 | jcurry | abrotman, ok, will do |
| 02:55.48 | bwalls | i am limited to 800x600 resolution, how can i fix it? |
| 02:56.02 | abrotman | !drxx bwalls |
| 02:56.03 | dpkg | bwalls: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:56.10 | bwalls | ok thanks |
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| 02:56.46 | asg | caphuso: patch applied, thanks. |
| 02:57.29 | jcurry | what does 'drxx' stand for? |
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| 02:57.41 | asg | !drxx |
| 02:57.41 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 02:58.00 | jcurry | aah, ok |
| 02:58.02 | jcurry | i see it |
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| 03:00.16 | jcurry | abrotman, now, it doesn't give me any errors, it just fails silently |
| 03:00.40 | abrotman | jcurry: are you using tomcat4 now? |
| 03:01.02 | jcurry | yep |
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| 03:01.22 | abrotman | i doubt it fails sliently .. check the logs |
| 03:01.28 | lakcaj | Hi. If someone is on dialup, can they use the sarge net-installer with some of the 15 sarge CDs? I can't find any info on what the 15 CDs actually contain, or if they can be used with the net-installer. |
| 03:01.36 | jcurry | !smack jcurry |
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| 03:01.45 | jcurry | the logs! right! |
| 03:01.49 | abrotman | !logs |
| 03:01.49 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 03:01.52 | abrotman | and .. |
| 03:01.53 | abrotman | !log |
| 03:01.54 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your log!, or "It's log, log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's log, log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 03:02.11 | jcurry | lol, you have one for every occasion |
| 03:02.41 | abrotman | !hug jcurry |
| 03:02.47 | asg | !curse the eventual battery drainage |
| 03:02.48 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, the eventual battery drainage ! |
| 03:02.53 | GauntletWizard | What do I do if drxx doesn't help with the screen error? |
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| 03:03.44 | abrotman | night asg |
| 03:03.54 | jcurry | abrotman: 'JAVA_HOME should point to a JDK not a JRE', i have it pointing at /usr/share/j2sdk1.5-sun, what should it point to? |
| 03:04.08 | abrotman | jcurry: use java-package and it's associated helpers |
| 03:04.14 | jcurry | abrotman, i did |
| 03:04.14 | abrotman | !tell jcurry about java |
| 03:04.36 | jcurry | abrotman, we already went over this, i installed 1.5 with java-package |
| 03:04.48 | abrotman | jcurry: and the other package it tells you to? |
| 03:04.51 | jcurry | and it put it in /usr/share/j2sdk1.5-sun |
| 03:05.06 | abrotman | jcurry: and the other package it tells you to? |
| 03:05.13 | jcurry | abrotman, checking |
| 03:05.17 | jcurry | i'm pretty sure i did |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | i don't even have java installed here |
| 03:05.45 | jcurry | abrotman, do you remeber what the package is called? |
| 03:05.51 | abrotman | hrm |
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| 03:07.36 | abrotman | jcurry: i thought it was like sun1.5-jdk or some crap |
| 03:07.47 | abrotman | i'd like some chowder now |
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| 03:07.54 | abrotman | thanks to asg!!! |
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| 03:08.11 | lakcaj | Hi. If someone is on dialup, can they use the sarge net-installer with some of the 15 sarge CDs? I can't find any info on what the 15 CDs actually contain, or if they can be used with the net-installer. |
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| 03:08.29 | abrotman | lakcaj: they contain *everything* currently in sarge |
| 03:08.44 | abrotman | lakcaj: most people can install with the netinst .. or cd1 |
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| 03:09.25 | jcurry | abrotman, aha, it is /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun, not /usr/share/j2sdk1.5-sun |
| 03:09.27 | adam__ | So i'm having problems trying to get packages from the one of the debian repositories and synaptic tells me it can't stat source package from it |
| 03:09.34 | KB1FYR | How do I install a debian package that I have dl'd to the HD? |
| 03:09.45 | abrotman | jcurry: i meant the package |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | jcurry: dpkg -l | grep sun |
| 03:10.00 | jcurry | abrotman, now it starts, but localhost:8180 returns a 503 |
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| 03:10.08 | jcurry | abrotman, i did install the package |
| 03:10.19 | BucAWAY | i'm trying to install sarge on a VIA EPIA M10000 motherboard. all i get is the install splash screen. When i press enter the screen goes blank. what is the problem ? |
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| 03:10.23 | KB1FYR | adam__: you can edit the mirrors you use by editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:10.24 | abrotman | jcurry: now it seems you're up to a tomcat error |
| 03:10.32 | jcurry | abrotman, #tomcat, right? |
| 03:10.33 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 03:10.34 | jcurry | :) |
| 03:10.41 | abrotman | jcurry: yeah .. if they'll help you |
| 03:11.02 | jcurry | well, apprently, debian is not a real distro :) |
| 03:11.07 | abrotman | says who? |
| 03:11.13 | jcurry | #tomcat |
| 03:11.15 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 03:11.22 | abrotman | i'm not sure why .. but ok |
| 03:11.42 | jcurry | abrotman, thanks a bunch for all the help! |
| 03:11.58 | abrotman | jcurry: no problem |
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| 03:12.50 | BucAWAY | and my cd passed the integrity test |
| 03:12.53 | jcurry | abrotman, suddenly, it starts working :) |
| 03:13.00 | jcurry | abrotman, i guess java is just slow |
| 03:13.11 | abrotman | jcurry: erm .. yeah .. tomcat takes a bit to get situated |
| 03:13.19 | jcurry | abrotman, i had no idea |
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| 03:13.38 | abrotman | jcurry: the one at work takes about 15 seconds .. at least after it says it started |
| 03:13.48 | jetscreamer | does their idea of a real distro start with the letter R? |
| 03:14.05 | lakcaj | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 03:14.23 | jcurry | abrotman, so how would i execute a .war once it is in /usr/lib/tomcat4/webapps? |
| 03:14.29 | jcurry | jetscreamer, no idea. |
| 03:14.39 | abrotman | jcurry: oh .. that's beyond me |
| 03:14.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'd guess G |
| 03:14.59 | abrotman | jcurry: ask #java or #tomcat .. the .war's are beyond me |
| 03:15.13 | abrotman | jcurry: i'm just the admin .. i don't really pretend to know java :) |
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| 03:15.34 | BucAWAY | ok can someone please help me with my sarge install? |
| 03:15.41 | BucAWAY | all i get is blank screen |
| 03:15.48 | jcurry | abrotman, will do |
| 03:16.43 | abrotman | BucWheat: #debian-boot |
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| 03:17.52 | BucWheat | abrotman thanks |
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| 03:21.27 | abrotman | !fart |
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| 03:22.37 | abrotman | @pee on jcole |
| 03:22.39 | abrotman | oh well |
| 03:22.45 | guestish | !fart abrotman |
| 03:22.50 | abrotman | poor jcole ... i keep misfiring on him |
| 03:22.59 | abrotman | !seen g4lt |
| 03:23.00 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 125d 2h 46m 18s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 03:24.23 | abrotman | !seen johngalt |
| 03:24.23 | dpkg | johngalt <johngalt@cpe-66-75-109-186.socal.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 86d 5h 9m 40s ago, saying: 'citral: ur referring to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch-install-methods.en.html right?'. |
| 03:24.29 | abrotman | oh well |
| 03:24.43 | jetscreamer | 86 days |
| 03:24.59 | abrotman | i'm not sure that's the same person |
| 03:25.08 | abrotman | i don't remember him speaking with 'ur' :) |
| 03:25.29 | jcurry | abrotman, where would i put -D arguments for a specific servlet? in the initscript? |
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| 03:25.53 | abrotman | jcurry: not sure .. check the start) section ... |
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| 03:26.04 | jcurry | abrotman, will do |
| 03:27.07 | xsdg | AAAHHHH!!!! how does dhcpcd remember IP addresses even after I blast everything in /var/lib/dhcpc/? (specifically, I want it to listen to the DHCPOFFER instead of sending a REQUEST with a different IP) |
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| 03:27.37 | unixfool_ | anyone know how I can make postgres stop listening on port 5432 on external interfaces? |
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| 03:28.05 | abrotman | unixfool_: read the postgres docs |
| 03:28.05 | vulture | xsdg: /var/run/dhclient.ethX.leases ? |
| 03:28.14 | abrotman | unixfool_: it's in there ... trust me |
| 03:28.48 | unixfool_ | abrotman, where? |
| 03:28.53 | unixfool_ | abrotman, where are the docs |
| 03:28.54 | abrotman | postgresql.org ? |
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| 03:29.05 | xsdg | vulture: doesn't exist; I'm running SID with dhcpcd -- dhclient isn't installed |
| 03:29.05 | abrotman | /usr/share/postgresql ? |
| 03:29.16 | Rawplayer | adm group is that only for the log files? |
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| 03:29.25 | xsdg | Rawplayer: afaik |
| 03:29.49 | toresbe | I actually remember him telling me that |
| 03:30.01 | toresbe | g4lt, that is, about the base dependencies |
| 03:30.18 | vulture | xsdg: well I see stuff in /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases - I don't seem to have any /var/lib/dhcpc/ |
| 03:30.21 | vulture | *shrugs* |
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| 03:30.54 | unixfool_ | abrotman, how about "where _in_ the docs" i've been googling and reading the docs :) |
| 03:31.41 | abrotman | unixfool_: as a guess .. check the stuff for postmaster.conf |
| 03:31.41 | jetscreamer | the_docs omg you can't type |
| 03:32.13 | abrotman | !omg |
| 03:32.13 | dpkg | omg is, like, what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
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| 03:37.30 | MobyTurbo | quiet night |
| 03:37.35 | abrotman | !fart |
| 03:37.45 | abrotman | dpkg had beans earlier .. he keeps farting |
| 03:37.45 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, abrotman |
| 03:38.02 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 03:38.02 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 03:38.09 | sussudio | !buttabuse |
| 03:38.15 | Rawplayer | i just saw the movie tron \o/ |
| 03:38.18 | MobyTurbo | rahul? |
| 03:38.22 | sussudio | !rahul |
| 03:38.23 | dpkg | Rahul's ass site is at http://linux.rice.edu/~rahul/ You can find XF86Configs for XFree4 using DRI on voodoo3 as well as Xinerama there. rah0000 |
| 03:38.41 | MobyTurbo | I'm afraid to ask |
| 03:38.45 | lobezno | hi dpkg |
| 03:38.52 | Rawplayer | ho dpkg |
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| 03:38.59 | abrotman | !seen rahul |
| 03:38.59 | dpkg | rahul <rjain@66-234-32-170.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 110d 1h 29m 26s ago, saying: 'xmms: just use the debian installer....'. |
| 03:39.13 | abrotman | is he now rare0000 ? |
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| 03:42.20 | ProgramGeek | Hi.. |
| 03:43.22 | cthulfuego | rah00 is no more :-( |
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| 03:46.43 | a-plu | is there a way to manuly configure the way debian boots pci bus's? |
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| 03:49.25 | abrotman | cthulfuego: huh? |
| 03:49.41 | abrotman | cthulfuego: what do you mean? |
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| 03:51.53 | a-plu | is there a way to manuly configure the way debian boots pci bus's? |
| 03:53.09 | MobyTurbo | a-plu: what do you mean? |
| 03:53.10 | cthulfuego | abrotman: "last seen 110d ... " |
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| 03:53.58 | abrotman | cthulfuego: ah .. yeah .. but g4lt's been gone a while too |
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| 03:55.18 | GauntletWizard | what packages do I need to compile Nvidia's graphics drivers? |
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| 03:56.00 | cthulfuego | !tell GauntletWizard -about nvidia |
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| 03:56.14 | MobyTurbo | GauntletWizard: kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 03:56.42 | cthulfuego | abrotman: I suppose maybe they were both the same chatbot. |
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| 03:57.07 | robink | What does it mean if a new kernel I compiled gives me this error on bootup: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) |
| 03:57.25 | abrotman | cthulfuego: hrm .. i don't think so |
| 03:57.26 | cthulfuego | robink: Means you forgot something you need. |
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| 03:57.31 | robink | cthulfuego: Right, but what? |
| 03:57.57 | MobyTurbo | robink: looks like you're not passing it root= |
| 03:58.02 | cthulfuego | robink: IDe or fielsystem. |
| 03:58.12 | robink | Found it |
| 03:58.20 | robink | filesystem driver compiled as module, arg |
| 03:58.31 | cthulfuego | MobyTurbo: he is, 3,3 = hda3. |
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| 03:58.58 | cthulfuego | MobyTurbo: Not to mention that a self-comopiled kernel has root set in the bzImage via rdev anyway. |
| 03:59.03 | MobyTurbo | cthulfuego: OK, shows what I know |
| 03:59.19 | cthulfuego | nothing, bugger all, zip, zilch, niks! |
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| 04:01.08 | tico | i don't know what else i have to do |
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| 04:01.40 | tico | i'm configuring my network card with konsole |
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| 04:02.24 | tico | someone is avaliable to help me? |
| 04:02.36 | RainbowW | is there a howto on recompiling a package from the source deb? i need php4 compiled with gd support, and the debian version doesn't have it |
| 04:02.57 | usr010 | culd some1 point there browser to http://192.168.2.111 do you see my webpage? |
| 04:03.06 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: install php4-gd |
| 04:03.21 | abrotman | usr010: think about that? |
| 04:03.34 | netsurfer | heh |
| 04:03.41 | zignig | usr010: try my webserver http://127.0.0.1/ |
| 04:03.52 | zignig | usr010: amazing it looks just like your webpage |
| 04:03.53 | netsurfer | hey zignig - thats not urs thats mine! |
| 04:03.57 | abrotman | !ur |
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| 04:03.57 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 04:04.13 | usr010 | !ass |
| 04:04.13 | dpkg | it has been said that ass is what you have to get a piece of |
| 04:04.18 | zignig | netsurfer: OI , net theif ! |
| 04:04.22 | netsurfer | :oP |
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| 04:07.25 | hmmhesays | i'm having a mental block here what is the command to install a package regardless of dependencies |
| 04:07.44 | nevyn | --force-depends |
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| 04:08.40 | hmmhesays | haha yeah, that's it |
| 04:08.42 | hmmhesays | thanks |
| 04:10.52 | GauntletWizard | I'm trying to follow the "Debian way" to install the Nvidia 3d drivers, but I can't get the nvidia-kernel-common package |
| 04:11.32 | GauntletWizard | Any clue why that would happen? apt-get just says that it cannot find the package... |
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| 04:12.38 | cthulfuego | GauntletWizard: You need non-free in sources.list |
| 04:12.54 | GauntletWizard | oh |
| 04:13.04 | GauntletWizard | what's the proper server for that? |
| 04:13.28 | cthulfuego | GauntletWizard: any |
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| 04:14.39 | jfro | anybody know why modules would be loading not mentioned in /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf with my custom kernel? they're definitely not needed, like non-existing hardware like touch screen module |
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| 04:19.43 | unixfool_ | abrotman: "virtual_host" is the secret for postgres, how obvious |
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| 04:23.22 | GauntletWizard | The Nvidia drivers are no longer in the testing section because of bugs, how would I allow updates from the unstable releases? |
| 04:23.47 | mwilson | You wouldn't. |
| 04:24.07 | mwilson | There are no unstable releases. The only Debian release is the stable release. |
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| 04:24.52 | guestish | GauntletWizard: sid is called the unstable branch because it is never officially released |
| 04:25.23 | mwilson | No one who can't figure out how to get there should be using unstable. |
| 04:25.54 | guestish | GauntletWizard: its more recent, but its not as well tested |
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| 04:27.45 | zignig | common: boom! |
| 04:27.50 | kruzi | wb |
| 04:27.51 | guestish | netsplit |
| 04:29.22 | RainbowW | is there magic to know getting php4-gd working under apache2? i was under the impression apache2 looks for libapache-modphp4 and uses that instead. |
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| 04:34.16 | EvanCarroll | This machine hasn't been update for awhile, i have two questions, its running software raid, if i have to nuke the machien and the OS will i lose the stuff on the raid or can i set it up again without rebuilding the array and it acknowledging the old array. |
| 04:34.40 | [Cadet] | So do you have to create multiple md devices for different partitions? Can you not make 1 md device and then partition that? |
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| 04:34.58 | EvanCarroll | Second, When i dist-upgrade, im getting lots of packages that i don't have installed nor want, like xlibs and such can i see whats requiring them with a dpkg or apt command? i can't find one in the docs |
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| 04:35.25 | EvanCarroll | [Cadet]: was that directed at me? |
| 04:35.26 | arango | what windows app can I use to resize ntfs and make room for debian ? |
| 04:35.32 | bucky | RainbowW, apache2 would be looking for libapache2-mod-php4 and you might have to uncomment something in php.ini |
| 04:35.36 | guestish | EvanCarroll: for reverse dependencies check the apt-cache man page |
| 04:35.37 | dnyde | arango, partition magic |
| 04:35.40 | cthulfuego | arango: Partition Magic |
| 04:35.41 | [Cadet] | EvanCarroll: no directed at anybody that can answer it |
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| 04:35.52 | guestish | arango: there is a free one too, but partition magic is probably the best |
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| 04:36.06 | arango | cthulfuego, dnyde: anything else ? I am getting error 1556 with partition magic |
| 04:36.11 | cthulfuego | arango: Either way, you should backup all data first. |
| 04:36.11 | EvanCarroll | [Cadet]: no you create one md device consisting of multiple partitions |
| 04:36.11 | guestish | arango: you can also use a linux boot disk w/ the linux version |
| 04:36.23 | [Cadet] | The debian installer will let you set up 1 md device and let you partition it, but when it goes to actually create the filesystems it fails |
| 04:36.27 | RainbowW | bucky: my bad, yes, libapache2-mod-php4, found it, forgot to restart apache. |
| 04:36.43 | guestish | arango: such as knoppix |
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| 04:36.59 | arango | guestish: what is the name of the free one ? |
| 04:37.06 | cycom | arango: scandisk it maybe? I dunno what 1556 is, but it might be a fs error that scandisk can fix |
| 04:37.08 | cthulfuego | [Cadet]: md worked fine for me whenever I've used it. |
| 04:37.12 | [Cadet] | EvanCarroll: I know how to set it up, What I want to do is add 1 large partition from 2 disks to create 1 md device and then partition that |
| 04:37.20 | Nemoder | how do I make dhclient update resolv.conf? |
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| 04:37.25 | [Cadet] | cthulfuego: so what I just wrote should work? |
| 04:37.33 | guestish | arango: parted i think has incorperated ntfs support, otherwise just use ntfsresize (both are linux programs) |
| 04:37.40 | arango | cycom: I will try it, is scandisk in the accesories group ? |
| 04:37.40 | guestish | arango: i dont think it has ntfs support |
| 04:37.45 | cycom | yeah |
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| 04:37.46 | guestish | arango: and i cant remember the name at the moment |
| 04:38.00 | cthulfuego | [Cadet]: You make 2 md autodtect aprtitions, then add those 2 to one md0 device. then make a fs on the /dev/md0 |
| 04:38.07 | guestish | arango: stick in knoppix, use parted, easy |
| 04:38.17 | [Cadet] | cthulfuego: I want multiple partitions on that md0 device |
| 04:38.17 | guestish | arango: always backup first |
| 04:38.23 | cthulfuego | [Cadet]: Also, raid0 is shit. |
| 04:38.27 | [Cadet] | raid 1 |
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| 04:38.37 | EvanCarroll | guestish: xlibmesa-gl has no reverse depends, nor is it installed, i just want to see what package is requiring it because i don't even have X installed |
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| 04:39.03 | arango | guestish: I'm having trouble with knoppix. With freezes when booting |
| 04:39.06 | [Cadet] | hda1 + hdc1 = md0 raid1. Can I then partition that md0 device into say / /usr /var /home ... |
| 04:39.07 | jfro | anybody clarify what might cause modules to be laoded on boot that aren't in /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf, is there module laoding stuff on a initrd.img? |
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| 04:39.13 | guestish | arango: then try a different one |
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| 04:39.23 | guestish | arango: if a boot disk wont work then neither will debian |
| 04:39.23 | Gumby | can anyone in here tell me where apt-file gets its information from? |
| 04:39.40 | virgomoon | Has anyone used J2SE 5.0 with Debian from the .bin download from Sun? |
| 04:39.42 | guestish | arango: try morphix, F.I.R.E, gentoo's bootdisks, there are a million of them |
| 04:39.44 | arango | guestish: debian netinstall CD boots fine |
| 04:39.45 | EvanCarroll | [Cadet]: yes you can partition a raid device |
| 04:39.48 | [Cadet] | like creating mutiple logical device in hardware raid |
| 04:39.55 | guestish | EvanCarroll: well then i dont know, because rdepends are what depends on it |
| 04:40.05 | guestish | arango: then try another bootdisk |
| 04:40.05 | [Cadet] | EvanCarroll: hmm, keeps failing when creating filesystems |
| 04:40.11 | cthulfuego | [Cadet]: You could, but I wouldn't recommend it. You're better off making *several* raid p[artitioons one ach disk and then mounting /dev/md0-md5 as /, /usr, /var etc, |
| 04:40.24 | [Cadet] | cthulfuego: okay |
| 04:40.28 | arango | guestish: Once I boot linux, how do I resize ? |
| 04:40.34 | cthulfuego | [Cadet]: I know for a *fact* that works :-) |
| 04:40.35 | guestish | arango: i already told you |
| 04:40.40 | [Cadet] | cthulfuego: Why would you not recommend what I proposed? |
| 04:40.48 | arango | guestish: parted ? |
| 04:40.53 | guestish | arango: yes |
| 04:40.54 | cthulfuego | [Cadet]: Coz I don't know if it works and how well if it does. |
| 04:40.56 | [Cadet] | cthulfuego: Yes that does work, I've already done it that way |
| 04:40.57 | EvanCarroll | cthulfuego: but then you suffer from over parody |
| 04:41.05 | asuffield | md devices aren't partitionable. you can put lvm volumes on them, though |
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| 04:41.32 | guestish | arango: ntfsresize is better |
| 04:41.41 | cthulfuego | guestish: wiping windows is better |
| 04:41.48 | guestish | cthulfuego: that isnt what he wants |
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| 04:42.07 | cthulfuego | guestish: Then we need to adjust what he wants, no? ;-) |
| 04:42.10 | guestish | cthulfuego: no |
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| 04:42.47 | jfro | hmm |
| 04:42.52 | arango | cycom: Does scandisk come with XP ? |
| 04:42.58 | jfro | kernel definitely is loading these modules that aren't mentioned |
| 04:43.09 | guestish | arango: there might be an alternative program, but that is not a question for #debian |
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| 04:43.21 | cthulfuego | arango: The recovery console has a disk checker. |
| 04:43.46 | cycom | shit. my mistake. chkdsk from cmd arango |
| 04:43.57 | arango | cycom: thanks |
| 04:44.01 | cycom | guestish: he's asking so he can install debian. be nice. |
| 04:44.03 | arango | guestish: thanks |
| 04:44.18 | guestish | cycom: why would you need scandisk for installing debian? |
| 04:44.20 | guestish | arango: np |
| 04:44.22 | arango | guestish: I got an OQO to play with and I am trying to put debian in it |
| 04:44.31 | guestish | arango: OQO? |
| 04:44.32 | cycom | guestish: because he's having errors when repartitioning. |
| 04:44.45 | cycom | he needs to resize an NTFS partition. |
| 04:44.51 | cthulfuego | arango: Did you defrag before attempting the resize? |
| 04:44.56 | guestish | cycom: k, well i have never tried |
| 04:44.59 | cycom | so don't jump to contusions :) |
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| 04:45.03 | guestish | cycom: :) |
| 04:45.12 | arango | guestish: www.oqo.com |
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| 04:45.43 | cycom | I <3 Debian. |
| 04:45.45 | arango | cthulfuego: I did not defrag but I did run chkdsk c: /F /R |
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| 04:46.20 | guestish | arango: you can put debian on that? |
| 04:46.24 | cthulfuego | arango: Run defrag. |
| 04:46.28 | guestish | arango: nice |
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| 04:46.41 | cthulfuego | arango: chkdsk first, then defrag, then chkdsk again. |
| 04:46.43 | guestish | arango: i'd think the proprietary hardware to make something that small would pose a challenge |
| 04:46.53 | arango | guestish: I think so .... |
| 04:47.21 | arango | guestish: It is supposed to be PC compatible |
| 04:47.25 | cycom | stupid virus. |
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| 04:47.45 | guestish | arango: tiny :) |
| 04:47.48 | EvanCarroll | guestish: is there anyway i can pipe all of the returns of 'apt-cache rdepends' to apt-get remove, so they don't show up in a dist-upgrade anymore? as in a right way without me scripting something in perl? |
| 04:47.55 | guestish | arango: well windows and linux are 2 different things, worth a try though |
| 04:47.57 | arango | guestish: I am expecting to driver problems but at least it should boot |
| 04:48.19 | guestish | EvanCarroll: man apt_preferences |
| 04:48.26 | arango | cthulfuego: I will try that, What defrag options should I turn on ? |
| 04:48.40 | guestish | arango: like i said, worth a shot |
| 04:49.07 | guestish | EvanCarroll: you can "pin" a package preventing installation |
| 04:49.09 | cthulfuego | Agrajag-: Just the default. |
| 04:49.13 | cthulfuego | arango: Just the default |
| 04:50.09 | arango | cthulfuego: Thanks |
| 04:50.35 | arango | cthulfuego: Do you know of a winXP alternative for Partition Magic ? |
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| 04:51.16 | guestish | arango: unfortutately manufacuterers write drivers usually only for windows (and sometimes macs), linux drivers are written by others |
| 04:52.29 | ProgramGeek | That's x-chat for ya |
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| 04:52.50 | Meisterc | hey all |
| 04:52.55 | Meisterc | quick question... |
| 04:53.01 | guestish | ProgramGeek: heh |
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| 04:53.10 | guestish | Meisterc: no quick questions allowed ;) |
| 04:53.23 | Meisterc | I just upgraded thunderbird on Sarge (and it broke my previous version) |
| 04:53.25 | Meisterc | hehe |
| 04:53.27 | ProgramGeek | Guestish: Heh, yeah, I have no life, I just mess around with linux all evening |
| 04:53.34 | Meisterc | well I'll make it long then |
| 04:53.41 | guestish | ProgramGeek: whatever works for yas |
| 04:54.01 | cg0def | do external hdds work well in linux? |
| 04:54.03 | Meisterc | Is there a way to revert back to previous version of Thunderbird ? |
| 04:54.03 | ProgramGeek | guestish: Yes Yes. |
| 04:54.10 | ProgramGeek | External HD's? |
| 04:54.11 | ProgramGeek | Yes |
| 04:54.25 | guestish | cg0def: you mean scsi? |
| 04:54.30 | ProgramGeek | Cg0def -- It depends of the support the dist may have for firewire and usb. Debian is fine |
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| 04:54.35 | cg0def | no usb and firewire |
| 04:54.37 | ProgramGeek | You can have scsi externally? |
| 04:54.59 | guestish | ProgramGeek: you always could, it even uses the same cable interface |
| 04:55.01 | ProgramGeek | Hmm, Yeah, Debian has no problem detecting my Ipod via firewire and usb thumbdrive... |
| 04:55.14 | KB1FYR | Any PPC debian users here? |
| 04:55.16 | ProgramGeek | Guestish: I see I see -- what are the advantages of SCSI though? |
| 04:55.25 | cg0def | ProgramGeek: I use debian so that's what I was asking :) |
| 04:55.26 | guestish | ProgramGeek: faster, uniform, supported :) |
| 04:55.34 | guestish | ProgramGeek: much faster, much more expensive though |
| 04:55.47 | guestish | ProgramGeek: you can hook anything up to a scsi interface |
| 04:55.49 | ProgramGeek | cg0def: Yes, ofcourse. :-P |
| 04:56.20 | cg0def | I was asking because usb2.0 used to not work as fast as it should in linux |
| 04:56.21 | ProgramGeek | Guestish: Woah, I really got to look into it -- I guess I haven't because it's so expensive -- I'm still living with parents and going to school Xo |
| 04:56.35 | guestish | ProgramGeek: yes, well you can always get older scsi devices for cheaper |
| 04:56.38 | ProgramGeek | cg0def: I think the 2.6 kernel offers some improvements... I may be wrong |
| 04:56.49 | guestish | cg0def: it does now, its a kernel option |
| 04:56.54 | ProgramGeek | Guestish: Ah, pricewatch.com a good site to look at? |
| 04:56.58 | guestish | ProgramGeek: ebay :) |
| 04:57.00 | cg0def | ProgramGeek: yeah there are a lot of improvements in the usb drivers in 2.6 |
| 04:57.21 | guestish | ProgramGeek: if you want scsi, old macs and sparcs are good |
| 04:57.26 | ProgramGeek | cg0def: Ah.. |
| 04:57.26 | guestish | ProgramGeek: if you want it cheap that is |
| 04:57.34 | cg0def | guestish: that's good to know |
| 04:57.42 | guestish | ProgramGeek: another alternative is to get a scsi controller card |
| 04:57.50 | ProgramGeek | guestish: what IS a scsi, I thought it was a way to connect from your mobo to your hd -- |
| 04:58.00 | guestish | !tell ProgramGeek about scsi |
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| 04:58.20 | ProgramGeek | LoL |
| 04:58.28 | guestish | ProgramGeek: i dont think its a cabling nightmare, lol |
| 04:58.38 | cg0def | well scsi is still too expensive |
| 04:58.41 | ProgramGeek | guestish: Heh. |
| 04:58.52 | syntrx | You get what you pay for. |
| 04:59.05 | cg0def | not really |
| 04:59.17 | cg0def | no need for scsi unless you have a server |
| 04:59.18 | guestish | yup |
| 04:59.23 | ProgramGeek | !tell guestish about Linux |
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| 04:59.26 | ProgramGeek | heh |
| 04:59.27 | guestish | ProgramGeek: ... |
| 04:59.31 | guestish | !smack ProgramGeek |
| 04:59.37 | syntrx | cg0def: Nonsense. |
| 04:59.40 | ProgramGeek | :( |
| 04:59.44 | guestish | :) |
| 04:59.49 | ProgramGeek | guestish: I am just trying it out.. Sheesh |
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| 04:59.54 | guestish | ProgramGeek: mmm |
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| 04:59.56 | guestish | im sure |
| 05:00.00 | guestish | :) |
| 05:00.02 | Meisterc | ...anyone using thunderbird by any chance ? |
| 05:00.02 | cg0def | syntrx: well in that case you have more money than you need :) |
| 05:00.13 | guestish | !comfort ProgramGeek |
| 05:00.14 | dpkg | There, there, ProgramGeek. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:00.34 | syntrx | cg0def: Hell no. But I move tons of data around on my ws, and I'd like SCSI for that (tho I can't afford it) |
| 05:00.35 | ProgramGeek | guestish: I've made a friend... His name is dpkg |
| 05:00.50 | guestish | @say dpkg: you are the best |
| 05:00.53 | ravenbird | dpkg: you are the best |
| 05:00.54 | syntrx | Engineers and graphic artists like SCSI because of the huge amounts of data they work with |
| 05:01.02 | guestish | hrm... |
| 05:01.02 | ProgramGeek | dpkg: you are the best |
| 05:01.12 | guestish | nope, isnt programmed in |
| 05:01.22 | guestish | syntaxman: and anyone else who needs fast HD access |
| 05:01.25 | guestish | erm |
| 05:01.28 | common | Meisterc: i wanted to travel from evolution to thunderbird yesterday, because thunderbirds enigmail plugin is superior to evos poor gpg settings. but i gave up due to evos poor exporting capabilities |
| 05:01.29 | guestish | thats for syntrx |
| 05:01.31 | syntrx | Yep |
| 05:01.34 | ProgramGeek | dpkg: Please kill ravenbird |
| 05:01.34 | dpkg | ProgramGeek: wish i knew |
| 05:01.47 | dondelelcaro | ProgramGeek: you can /msg the bots |
| 05:01.48 | ProgramGeek | Grrr, if only, if only. |
| 05:01.57 | ProgramGeek | dondelelcaro: I see |
| 05:01.58 | Meisterc | I brok it just a sec ago ! |
| 05:02.03 | Meisterc | this ios insane |
| 05:02.11 | ProgramGeek | So, when I see the text in red on x-chat, it's really a private msg? |
| 05:02.14 | guestish | Meisterc: so is your grammar :) |
| 05:02.18 | Meisterc | I know |
| 05:02.33 | ProgramGeek | is guestish: blah the same as /msg guestish blah? |
| 05:02.40 | guestish | well, spelling actually |
| 05:02.42 | Meisterc | all settings gone! |
| 05:02.42 | guestish | ProgramGeek: no |
| 05:02.47 | Meisterc | all mail gone |
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| 05:02.53 | guestish | there we go, thats the bad grammar |
| 05:02.58 | guestish | j/k |
| 05:03.02 | ProgramGeek | guestish: when you said no, was it a pm, or you just saying... ProgramGeek: no |
| 05:03.03 | syntrx | dpkg needs a M-249 or similar squad gun |
| 05:03.03 | dpkg | syntrx: I give up, what is it? |
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| 05:03.14 | ProgramGeek | O.o |
| 05:03.16 | guestish | ProgramGeek: no |
| 05:03.23 | cg0def | ProgramGeek: red text in xchat is not a private msg |
| 05:03.24 | dondelelcaro | ProgramGeek: no, you can /msg the bots instead of bothering the channel |
| 05:03.30 | Meisterc | any way I can go back to previous version ? |
| 05:03.34 | cg0def | ProgramGeek: private msgs are in a new tab |
| 05:03.51 | guestish | Meisterc: yes, if you can find the earlier version .deb package |
| 05:03.53 | ProgramGeek | cg0def and dondelocaro and guestish: I see. |
| 05:03.55 | guestish | cg0def: sometimes |
| 05:04.01 | ProgramGeek | Heh. |
| 05:04.03 | dondelelcaro | Meisterc: yes, you can. Add the appropriate snapshot.debian.net line to your sources.list; and apt-get install foopkg=fooversion |
| 05:04.20 | Meisterc | well...I need the settings and mail to come back to me :) |
| 05:04.32 | pingouin | is it bad to set the locale (throught dpkg-reconfigure locales) in utf-8 ? for chatting etc.... |
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| 05:05.22 | cg0def | how do you switch to a newer release of gcc |
| 05:05.31 | ProgramGeek | I have learned alot tonight |
| 05:05.33 | ProgramGeek | Tee hee |
| 05:05.35 | cg0def | I have it installed but I'm trying to set it up as default |
| 05:05.54 | dondelelcaro | cg0def: you don't set it as the default. call it directly and/or set CC in makefiles |
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| 05:06.39 | EvanCarroll | Is glib2.0 needed if you don't use X ? |
| 05:07.08 | dnyde | it can be |
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| 05:07.39 | cg0def | dondelelcaro: so how does debian know to use 3.3.5 as default? |
| 05:07.50 | EvanCarroll | as in what case, i just ran a sexy script i wrote to remove all rdepends of xserver-common and it showed up and was removed, should i be afraid to shut down now? |
| 05:08.02 | dondelelcaro | cg0def: because that's what /usr/bin/gcc is |
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| 05:08.36 | dondelelcaro | cg0def: but randomly changing the default compiler without understanding all of the issues that can lead you down (ABI compatible, FE) is not something that you want to do. |
| 05:09.06 | guestish | dondelelcaro: are there major differences between 3.3 and 3.4? |
| 05:09.09 | dondelelcaro | (for /usr/bin/gcc this is less of an issue, but if you were to change /usr/bin/g++, you'll be in for a world of pain.) |
| 05:09.20 | cg0def | dondelelcaro: lol yeah I see now |
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| 05:09.56 | dondelelcaro | guestish: I don't think there were any changes for C... but C++ always seems to be breaking |
| 05:10.07 | guestish | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 05:10.26 | guestish | dondelelcaro: is that due to the lanaguage or constant changes to the compiler? |
| 05:10.50 | dondelelcaro | guestish: compiler, afaik... I'm not really an expert on that by any means... [which is one of the reasons why my /usr/bin/g++ is still the default] |
| 05:11.26 | dondelelcaro | (and if I actually cared enough to change it, I call CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 make; or make CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4; as appropriate) |
| 05:11.28 | guestish | dondelelcaro: btw, do you know of any decent C IDE's? im reading a beginers howto in C and i suppose using an IDE cant hurt |
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| 05:11.56 | dondelelcaro | guestish: I'm a gnu toolchain man myself... make+gdb+gcc+emacs |
| 05:12.24 | guestish | dondelelcaro: i literally started reading the book a few days ago |
| 05:12.26 | dondelelcaro | guestish: the advantage is that for basic things, you can just write the code using $EDITOR, then type make foo.c; |
| 05:12.28 | cg0def | guestish: anjuta, DiaSCE2 |
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| 05:12.49 | guestish | cg0def: thanks |
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| 05:13.22 | dondelelcaro | (and really complex projects don't seem to scale well with IDEs) |
| 05:13.50 | guestish | dondelelcaro: heh, im not going to be doing anything complex right away |
| 05:14.01 | guestish | dondelelcaro: if that happens then ill learn how to use make and all that |
| 05:14.24 | cg0def | dondelelcaro: you know pretty much all software for windows is written with visual studio and it is an IDE :) |
| 05:14.25 | guestish | cg0def: it'll work for non-gnome projects, right? |
| 05:14.41 | cg0def | guestish: which one? |
| 05:14.45 | guestish | cg0def: ajunta |
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| 05:15.01 | guestish | anjunta |
| 05:15.06 | guestish | gah |
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| 05:15.10 | guestish | i cant spell tonight |
| 05:15.10 | jayajay | hi anyone know the command to start apache in debian? |
| 05:15.12 | cg0def | guestish: it will work but you might have to work a little bit harder with qt |
| 05:15.31 | cg0def | guestish: works with wx pretty good though |
| 05:15.33 | guestish | cg0def: what about just text? |
| 05:15.39 | dnyde | is there some printing howto for debian out there? |
| 05:15.49 | cg0def | guestish: oh yeah there is no problem with console |
| 05:15.52 | guestish | cg0def: k |
| 05:15.53 | dnyde | ie, what is The One True way to print in debian? |
| 05:15.56 | dondelelcaro | cg0def: I've written code with VS and it's IDE. It doesn't scale well to small projects at all. |
| 05:16.01 | guestish | !tell dnyde about printing |
| 05:16.06 | dondelelcaro | s/it's/its/ |
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| 05:16.17 | Meisterc | fixed ! |
| 05:16.21 | jayajay | anyone know the command to start apache in debian? |
| 05:16.22 | guestish | !tell dnyde about printer |
| 05:16.23 | Meisterc | whooo |
| 05:16.27 | dondelelcaro | jayajay: /etc/init.d/apache start; |
| 05:16.28 | guestish | stupid factoid... |
| 05:16.32 | cg0def | dondelelcaro: well you really gotta get used to the M$ crap before it starts working for you |
| 05:16.39 | jayajay | dondelelcaro: cheers pal |
| 05:16.55 | cg0def | dondelelcaro: oh yeah and portability is awful if you use VS |
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| 05:17.03 | guestish | cg0def: this means i dont have to explicity run gcc, running the compie/run command works fine, right? |
| 05:17.26 | cg0def | guestish: yeah it does |
| 05:17.29 | guestish | cg0def: great, thanks |
| 05:17.39 | dnyde | guestish, thanks |
| 05:17.46 | cg0def | guestish: anjuta creates make files and they are a bitch sometimes |
| 05:17.47 | guestish | nice thing about just starting is i have simple needs :) |
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| 05:18.07 | cg0def | guestish: if you have to port a VS project to anjuta it's a heck of a job |
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| 05:18.10 | sirex | anyone know a way to slow down a usb mouse without slowing down a ps2 mouse ? |
| 05:18.20 | nbk | hi guys |
| 05:18.21 | guestish | sirex: slow down? |
| 05:18.21 | sirex | even on its lowest setting, its too fast |
| 05:18.27 | sirex | acceleration |
| 05:18.32 | cg0def | sirex: what do you mean slow down? |
| 05:18.34 | guestish | in gnome there is an option for it |
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| 05:19.01 | faw | any good "tips" about how to recovery and XFS filesystem after lost partition table? |
| 05:19.03 | sirex | yeah on the kde control center i set it to lowest (and in gneom etc) it worked, but its still way too fast |
| 05:19.13 | guestish | !tell faw about unerase |
| 05:19.18 | guestish | bah |
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| 05:19.23 | guestish | its actually gpart i think |
| 05:19.50 | faw | guestish, I check it |
| 05:19.58 | guestish | !gpart |
| 05:19.59 | dpkg | well, gpart is a great tool to recover partition table when deleted some partitions by mistakes or overwrited the partition table... go get it at: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/filesystems/gpart-0.1b.tar.gz, or more recent verstion at authors site: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/, or see also testdisk |
| 05:20.01 | guestish | yeah, thats the one |
| 05:20.15 | sirex | its as if the multiplyer is too high |
| 05:20.18 | faw | guestish, :) |
| 05:20.26 | guestish | faw: thats what you need right? |
| 05:20.27 | common | !quake |
| 05:20.28 | dpkg | somebody said quake was one of the few decent games for linux! Test packages of quake (including glquake) are aptable from "deb http://www.debian.org/%7Eknghtbrd/ quake/" or game that makes you puke;; newbies' guide for quake here: http://www.cheatersguild.com/quake/strategyguide.htm |
| 05:21.08 | common | strategy guide for quake ... |
| 05:21.32 | common | !porn |
| 05:21.32 | dpkg | i guess porn is see pr0n |
| 05:21.33 | faw | guestish, kind of |
| 05:21.37 | guestish | common: ... |
| 05:21.38 | faw | guestish, I will try testdisk |
| 05:21.43 | guestish | common: /msg dpkg for talking to bots |
| 05:21.48 | guestish | faw: that works too |
| 05:21.52 | faw | guestish, I almost rebuild the entire table |
| 05:21.59 | faw | guestish, but, can' t mount it |
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| 05:22.29 | common | guestish: dpkg does not reply to querries? |
| 05:22.48 | guestish | common: when messaged it does |
| 05:22.49 | guestish | faw: i dont know |
| 05:23.10 | faw | guestish, thanks. :) |
| 05:23.19 | guestish | sorry |
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| 05:28.06 | guestish | g'night |
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| 05:46.45 | cthulfuego | â‚¢? |
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| 05:46.54 | cthulfuego | !greenhouse |
| 05:46.54 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
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| 05:47.39 | Xemacs_ | cthulfuego, works for me |
| 05:47.53 | cthulfuego | Xemacs_: what does? |
| 05:47.59 | Xemacs_ | !lol |
| 05:47.59 | dpkg | [lol] Loser On Line, good work xemacs_, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 05:48.10 | Xemacs_ | your gentoo ad !! |
| 05:48.17 | cthulfuego | Xemacs_: :-) |
| 05:48.30 | cthulfuego | running gentoo destroys the planet |
| 05:49.01 | Flimzy | Needlessly recompiling causes hard drives to fail sooner, too |
| 05:49.01 | sanmarcos | in effect |
| 05:49.24 | cthulfuego | Flimzy: hardd rives go into landfil and power and resources are sued to create them. |
| 05:49.36 | common | Flimzy: i guess running torrent 24/7 to gain sharewarez weakens ide drives too |
| 05:49.38 | Flimzy | cthulfuego: exactly |
| 05:49.48 | Xemacs_ | but gentoo is job security for IT department because i dobt that you can compile world in less then 3 days |
| 05:50.10 | Flimzy | common: not as much... torrent's infrequent buffered writes cause much less wear than the constant I/O of compilation |
| 05:50.28 | Flimzy | Xemacs_: depends on how big your world is... and how fast |
| 05:50.37 | common | i run gentoo on a via epia board with aes in cpu, i gotta patch the kernel, openssl and all stuff which links against openssl, so i decided to use gentoo |
| 05:50.47 | common | aes in hardware kicks ass |
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| 05:50.57 | Flimzy | aes? |
| 05:51.00 | cthulfuego | common: What does patching akernel have do do with userland? |
| 05:51.19 | common | cthulfuego: i gotta patch openssl too |
| 05:51.34 | common | Flimzy: en/decryption |
| 05:51.41 | cthulfuego | common: So? |
| 05:51.44 | Flimzy | So why not apply that patch to Debian? |
| 05:51.56 | Flimzy | and recompile only the _effected_ things, rather than EVERYthing? |
| 05:52.03 | common | debian is very conservative to patches |
| 05:52.15 | Flimzy | common: Don't tell me you're one of people who doesn't understand apt-get source |
| 05:52.16 | common | thats why we all love it |
| 05:52.27 | common | i understand apt-get source |
| 05:52.39 | cthulfuego | common: The debian build scripts generally work fine on unpacked upstream tarballs too. |
| 05:52.40 | Flimzy | well that's a relief |
| 05:52.54 | cthulfuego | common is destroying our environment. |
| 05:53.00 | common | hey |
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| 05:53.12 | common | i got debian on all other machines |
| 05:53.15 | cthulfuego | republican-voting oil bastard |
| 05:53.17 | cthulfuego | ;-) |
| 05:53.18 | Flimzy | cthulfuego: If they don't, they will after you apply the diff |
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| 05:53.51 | Flimzy | cthulfuego: But then that's what apt-get source or dpkg-source -x does anyway. hehe |
| 05:54.08 | common | and apart from this compile fsck i really hate, gentoo has some minor advantages |
| 05:54.17 | common | but not enough to pay the cycles off |
| 05:54.39 | common | portage is that slow |
| 05:54.55 | common | my first gentoo was on a p1 200 box |
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| 05:55.03 | cthulfuego | Yeah. if you need speed, buy an AMD64. |
| 05:55.12 | underdog | has anyone had a problem with "undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion'" when compiling something? |
| 05:55.18 | common | and updating the portage, comparable to apt-get update took 45 minutes |
| 05:55.20 | underdog | i have all the x libs installed but it just won't cut it |
| 05:55.55 | Flimzy | underdog: you probably don't have all the xlib-dev's installed |
| 05:56.00 | common | the linespeed did not matter, the packagemanagement software is that fucking slow |
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| 05:56.41 | common | not to mention compiling minor stuff like lftp took ages |
| 05:57.51 | Flimzy | common: you should consider Debian... it helps with those things :P |
| 05:58.00 | kawaiikune | yeah, debian kicks some serious ass |
| 05:58.24 | xam | debian is too violent |
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| 05:58.45 | kingsley_ | !lart xam |
| 05:58.52 | common | as said before i got one box running gentoo and the rest is debianized |
| 05:59.01 | xam | !gothsmite kingsley_ |
| 05:59.22 | kingsley_ | Aghhhhhh!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:59.31 | common | sexy |
| 05:59.58 | Flimzy | common: And as we all said before, Debian is better than gentoo, on all machines, not just all but one :P |
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| 06:00.16 | chugga | how do i view the next page of a document in open office spreadsheet thing |
| 06:00.37 | Flimzy | hit the tab on the bottom left |
| 06:00.39 | common | its blind saying 'better than', i would say even gentoo has its advantages |
| 06:00.59 | FarrisG | is there anyway to connect remotely to an existing X session, a la Remote Desktop on winders? |
| 06:01.06 | common | yep |
| 06:01.07 | Flimzy | common: Yeah, I'm sure it does... but as you said, they aren't worth the wasted cycles |
| 06:01.19 | common | k :) |
| 06:01.55 | chugga | fargis, yeah, install vnc |
| 06:02.26 | common | Flimzy: if the box had x and stuff running i would never run gentoo |
| 06:02.35 | chugga | oh there we go, its crashed now. the thing i love about open office is the speed |
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| 06:03.00 | common | you dont have to worry to work too much a day using ooo |
| 06:04.31 | chugga | nice. it works now :) |
| 06:04.32 | chugga | bless |
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| 06:05.38 | common | another brick in thewall |
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| 06:06.37 | common | its really ashame linux lacks a audio player with database capabilities comparable to winamp, zinf is .. crap |
| 06:07.11 | chugga | common, oh please! be creative .. glue a bunch of things together - its the UNIX way |
| 06:07.25 | common | nope |
| 06:07.32 | meaculpa | mornin, just wandering, how can dselect tell if a package is 'new' ? man dselect gives nu clues... |
| 06:07.36 | common | glueing does not help creating stable software |
| 06:08.20 | common | using external databases like mysql or postgres wont help out here |
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| 06:09.07 | Flimzy | meaculpa: If it didn't exist before |
| 06:10.10 | meaculpa | Flimzy, that implies that dselect keeps some record of 'previous' packages, but I can't find where deselect records that. Doesn't seem to be /var/lib/apt/archives/* |
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| 06:11.36 | meaculpa | Flimzy, sorry, /var/cache/apt/archives/* |
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| 06:11.48 | Flimzy | meaculpa: Once you exit the listing and go back, the 'new' packages will no longer be 'new'... so it doesn't have to mantain it.. it just figures "Anything I merged into the db right now that wasn't already there is new". IOW, it only stores that in memory, and not on disk (AFAIK) |
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| 06:12.35 | meaculpa | Flimzy, okay, that means that only dselect provides this 'feature' and I can't get it from a prompt after running apt-get update? |
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| 06:13.34 | Flimzy | meaculpa: Yeah, as far as I know. |
| 06:14.28 | underdog | has anyone had a problem with "undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion'" when compiling something? |
| 06:14.36 | jayajay | hi can anyone tell me how to create a cron job to back a postgresql database every night? |
| 06:14.49 | common | chugga: seems xmms2 fixes this |
| 06:14.50 | jayajay | i'm after the command in cron |
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| 06:14.52 | Flimzy | jayajay: man crontab |
| 06:15.23 | jayajay | Flimzy: I know how to create a cron job, just don't know how to create the commmand to do the pg_dump? |
| 06:15.37 | Flimzy | jayajay: Then why are you administrating pg? |
| 06:15.49 | Flimzy | jayajay: refer to PG documentation for that part. |
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| 06:16.36 | jayajay | Flimzy: do you know the URL? |
| 06:16.45 | Flimzy | jayajay: Yeah |
| 06:16.47 | Flimzy | jayajay: google.com |
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| 06:17.06 | pingouin | how to have Eterm set unicode/utf8 ? like uxterm ? |
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| 06:21.19 | robink | Why would I get a bunch of 'unresolved dependency' errors installing a kernel package that I built? |
| 06:21.31 | robink | Is there anything obvious that I'm doing wrong? |
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| 06:23.28 | sussudio | !tell robink about kp |
| 06:24.27 | robink | I know about kp |
| 06:24.45 | robink | I've been doing things the way I normally do them |
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| 06:28.47 | pingouin | transparencies and no window border possible with Xterm ? (like Eterm) ? |
| 06:30.01 | MobyTurbo | pingouin: aterm is a lighter weight term that supports that |
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| 06:30.25 | mwilson | pingouin: Whether something has decorations or not is window-manager dependent. |
| 06:30.38 | underdog | has anyone had a problem with "undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion'" when compiling something? |
| 06:30.42 | mwilson | pingouin: And no, xterm doesn't support useless things like transparency. |
| 06:30.42 | jm_ | pingouin: it's possible if your window manager supports it |
| 06:30.55 | jm_ | underdog: yes, many people have |
| 06:30.56 | sussudio | underdog: you're not running debian, now are you. |
| 06:30.59 | pingouin | ok, but in fact, i need uxterm because it suport japanese display (unicode/utf8 i dont know) |
| 06:31.15 | pingouin | mwilson: no problem with Eterm+flwm work well ;) |
| 06:31.16 | underdog | sussudio, ubuntu |
| 06:31.19 | underdog | next best thing ;) |
| 06:31.21 | sussudio | underdog: bye |
| 06:31.22 | mwilson | pingouin: Then use uxterm. There's some problem with using uxterm? |
| 06:31.29 | sussudio | !topicbadger underdog |
| 06:31.30 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that underdog didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 06:31.53 | pingouin | mwilson: i wonder if it's suport transparencie and no border setting like Eterm do |
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| 06:32.05 | underdog | well ubuntu people won't help me |
| 06:32.10 | pingouin | mwilson: i just dont find how :/ |
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| 06:32.11 | mwilson | pingouin: You've already been told NO once. |
| 06:32.51 | MobyTurbo | underdog: then go to some non-distro specific channel like ##linux, who said that #debian was everyone else's help channel? |
| 06:33.40 | underdog | thanks |
| 06:34.24 | Elimin8or | I have a question.. I been trying to get my 6260 SCSI-2 card to work so I can use my tape device.. I compiled the Module aha152x and when I modprobe it.. it says: irq 10 possibly wrong. Please verify. , Now how would I do a modprobe with a difrent IRQ for that device? |
| 06:34.54 | jm_ | elimini;man modprobe; man modinfo |
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| 06:37.49 | robl^ | XFree86 is telling me that it can't find a device & "No screen found" on a newly installed 3.1 Alpha box. Any ideas? |
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| 06:39.33 | SJr | Whats that debian tool that does security audits |
| 06:39.37 | jm_ | robl^: read the logfile |
| 06:40.23 | dondelelcaro | SJr: chkrootkit |
| 06:40.23 | peterS | SJr: chkrootkit is one |
| 06:40.36 | robl^ | jm_: I have! it keeps telling me that there is no matching device using VGA driver/server.. |
| 06:40.42 | dondelelcaro | SJr: although, the standard cronjob set has a script that checks for changes in setuid files |
| 06:40.53 | SJr | no no not |
| 06:41.03 | jm_ | robl^: VGA server sounds like you're using XFree86 3.3.6 |
| 06:41.13 | dondelelcaro | !vagueness |
| 06:41.13 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 06:41.20 | SJr | no no not like a rootkit detector, but there was a tool that goes thru and checks things that are misconfigured or poorly configured |
| 06:41.31 | SJr | improper permissions on files |
| 06:41.37 | robl^ | jm_: yes. it was installed by the Debian 3.1 installer.. on an Alpha |
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| 06:41.41 | SJr | and the like |
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| 06:42.19 | dondelelcaro | SJr: improper permissions on files? the only things you care about are files that are setuid or setgid that have changed... and that's done in the standard cronjob |
| 06:42.34 | jm_ | robl^: alpha port has 4.3 just like other ports |
| 06:42.49 | SJr | dondelelcaro hmmmmmm its just an example. I mean I already ran rkhunter |
| 06:43.00 | SJr | basically I had a low level security breach on a system, so I want to harden it |
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| 06:43.14 | SJr | basically some people bruteforced an account |
| 06:43.18 | SJr | and were running an IRC Bot |
| 06:43.29 | robl^ | jm_: odd. considering I did nothing more than install the OS, select Desktop. nothing else. no extra packages. Re-isntalled 5x and downloaded the ISO 4 days ago |
| 06:43.38 | Enflam3D_89 | If I want to use Debian for personal use, should I get the "stable" version or the "testing/unstable" version? |
| 06:43.52 | SJr | whats a good way to find all files that are setuid and setgid |
| 06:44.00 | dondelelcaro | SJr: find |
| 06:44.53 | Enflam3D_89 | When I say personal use, I mean like as a desktop solution, not a server solution. :) |
| 06:45.20 | robl^ | jm_: actually -- you are right. it is 4.3 I am dyslexic. |
| 06:45.22 | dondelelcaro | Enflam3D_89: that depends on you. You probably want sarge. |
| 06:45.33 | meaculpa | Flimzy, do you know by heart what database dselect uses? |
| 06:45.52 | jm_ | robl^: ok, so check which driver you have to use |
| 06:46.09 | meaculpa | Enflam3D_89, go for 'testing', which will become 'sarge'. |
| 06:46.28 | dondelelcaro | meaculpa: testing is sarge currently. |
| 06:46.28 | Enflam3D_89 | Yes, I downloaded the Sarge installer. Somehow it didn't meet my needs... |
| 06:46.43 | meaculpa | SJr, man find? |
| 06:46.46 | dondelelcaro | Enflam3D_89: can you be more specific? |
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| 06:46.51 | eatmyshor | I am here to let you know of a new site that just launched. www.FreeStuffNation.com . get all kinds of free stuff (free ipods/free minimacs/free lcd monitors). |
| 06:46.53 | SJr | hmmmmmmm |
| 06:46.54 | eatmyshor | www.freestuffnation.com |
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| 06:47.00 | robl^ | jm_: according to what I've found, VGA. It's a Number 9 Motion 331 FX. |
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| 06:47.02 | meaculpa | dondelelcaro, sorry, I ment, testing will become 'stable'. ;-) |
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| 06:47.17 | igraltist | SJr, "find / -perm 4000 -type f " this i read is for finding setuid |
| 06:47.23 | cthulfuego | Can logrotate name rotaed logs based on date rather then just append a digit? |
| 06:47.30 | SJr | find -type f -uid 0 |
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| 06:47.40 | SJr | hmmmmm should I add -uid 0 |
| 06:47.41 | Enflam3D_89 | dondelelcaro: well when I installed it (and downloaded 500MB of packages) the graphics were terrible, and I had to reconfigure X, which wasn't too good. And when I tried a kernel recompile the Debian way, it wouldn't boot from the kernel. |
| 06:48.07 | meaculpa | Enflam3D_89, that probably means you've made mistakes... ;-) |
| 06:48.19 | Enflam3D_89 | meaculpa: Probably, I am a Linux novice after all :) |
| 06:48.26 | Enflam3D_89 | Is there a specific way I should go about it? |
| 06:48.30 | zu22 | any good linux blogs? |
| 06:48.35 | zu22 | or even better a debian blog! |
| 06:48.37 | meaculpa | Enflam3D_89, oh no, the blame is all mine! :-) |
| 06:48.39 | dondelelcaro | Enflam3D_89: if the kernel you made didn't boot, that usually means that you didn't select the right options. This usually means that you probably don't want to be compiling a kernel in the first place. |
| 06:48.43 | dondelelcaro | zu22: planet.debian.org |
| 06:48.50 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ok will check it out |
| 06:49.05 | Enflam3D_89 | dondelelcaro: I just did 'make oldconfig' |
| 06:49.18 | dondelelcaro | Enflam3D_89: that's not going to work. |
| 06:49.18 | Enflam3D_89 | dondelelcaro: It worked fine on Mepis, which is based on Sid. |
| 06:49.27 | Eagle101 | help. anyone here installed kde via konstruct??? |
| 06:49.28 | Enflam3D_89 | dondelelcaro: I see. Why not? |
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| 06:49.48 | camh | how do I install a PPD file into CUPS for a new printer? |
| 06:50.04 | dondelelcaro | Enflam3D_89: and that's not the Debian way, either... running make oldconfig; will just use the configuration directives defined in .config. That may or may not be the right .config settings needed to boot your machine. |
| 06:50.07 | meaculpa | Enflam3D_89, check out 'kernel-package', which provides make-kpkg. That's the Debian way. |
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| 06:50.24 | Enflam3D_89 | meaculpa: Obviously I had kernel-package :P |
| 06:50.35 | meaculpa | Enflam3D_89, you didn't say so... ;-) |
| 06:50.37 | Enflam3D_89 | meaculpa: And I did use 'make-kpkg' |
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| 06:51.05 | meaculpa | so, where this your new kernel stopped? |
| 06:51.12 | meaculpa | s/this/did |
| 06:51.43 | Enflam3D_89 | When I tried to boot from it, it just refused |
| 06:52.07 | Eagle101 | help. anyone here installed kde via konstruct??? |
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| 06:52.40 | dondelelcaro | Enflam3D_89: why on earth would you do that? just apt-get install kde; |
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| 06:53.06 | Enflam3D_89 | dondelelcaro: Excuse me? My KDE is fine... |
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| 06:53.19 | dondelelcaro | s/Enflam3d_89/Eagle101/ |
| 06:53.28 | Enflam3D_89 | dondelelcaro: :P knew it :P |
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| 06:55.19 | Eagle101 | dondelelcaro: because i installed kde3.4 beta 1...apt-get install kde doesnt have the beta |
| 06:55.22 | ardy | How do I setup Jackd to work upon boot and with all users? |
| 06:55.46 | dondelelcaro | Eagle101: there's a reason why the beta version isn't in Debian... |
| 06:55.57 | dondelelcaro | Eagle101: #kde can help you |
| 06:56.02 | peterS | ardy: out of curiosity, why? jackd is started automatically for a user when the user needs it |
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| 06:56.31 | jm_ | robl^: tried vesa? |
| 06:57.13 | robl^ | jm_: no. not specifically vesa. I did try using XF86Config and selecting the exact card from that list |
| 06:57.15 | ardy | peterS: My problem is that kde ties up my alsa device, blocking it from all other apps including timidity ans I saw jackd as an alternative |
| 06:57.20 | common | ./xmms2 mlib query "select * from Media where artist = 'Smashing Pumpkins' " |
| 06:57.23 | common | this kicks ass |
| 06:57.30 | ardy | peterS:and as a way fox the problem |
| 06:57.39 | jm_ | robl^: no, don't use that tool, use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:57.43 | peterS | ardy: jackd isn't really intended as a sound multiplexer like aRts |
| 06:57.43 | ardy | peterS:and as a way fix the problem |
| 06:58.09 | peterS | ardy: in the KDE kontrol panel, I understand you *can* choose whether to run a sound server |
| 06:58.19 | peterS | (that being aRts) |
| 06:58.35 | ardy | peterS: but I want sound in kde as well in the applications |
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| 06:59.10 | peterS | ardy: if you're using alsa, you should be able to disable the sound server and everyone talks directly to alsa |
| 06:59.21 | peterS | ardy: but I don't use KDE, so I can't really tell you if this works or not |
| 07:00.05 | cthulfuego | or alternatively, both an app and the sound server can talk to alsa. |
| 07:01.01 | ardy | peterS: Then how do I configure alsa to allow multiple connections to it because currently there is a connection to it it blocks all other connections |
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| 07:01.34 | peterS | ardy: oh, I thought alsa always allowed multiple client connections. maybe I'm mistaken, or maybe it's a driver-specific thing after all |
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| 07:02.21 | ardy | peterS: is there a way to force alsa to allow multiple connections? |
| 07:02.23 | jm_ | ardy: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 07:02.30 | peterS | ardy: oh, I thought alsa always allowed multiple client connections. maybe I'm mistaken, or maybe it's a driver-specific thing after all |
| 07:03.10 | ardy | Cool let me check out dmix |
| 07:03.34 | jm_ | or just buy a card that supports hardware mixing :) |
| 07:04.07 | zu22 | my sound works fine if i boot off knoppix, but i'd like to get in working natively in debian (unstable with 2.4.18) kernel, how can i do this? have maestro3 in /etc/modules but when i try play sound nothing happens |
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| 07:07.11 | sansaway | dondelelcaro, can I in invite dpkg to #fai? |
| 07:07.31 | streuner_ | zu22: so you run unstable, right? |
| 07:07.50 | dondelelcaro | sanso: it won't join unless I tell it to... however, since there's only two people there, there's really not much point... |
| 07:08.29 | sanso | dondelelcaro, right now that is. Yesterday we were three! ;-) |
| 07:08.42 | sanso | dondelelcaro, the channel is only a couple of days old. |
| 07:08.50 | streuner_ | What's 'SCALE 3x'? |
| 07:09.00 | Scalpel | I have an 74G partition. Formated it in ext3 but df only shows 32G. Anyone know what could be the matter?? |
| 07:09.20 | jm_ | camh: you can use lpadmin command |
| 07:09.46 | dondelelcaro | !scale 3x is <reply> SCALE 3x is the Southern California Linux Expo #3 at the Los Angeles Convention Center. See http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ |
| 07:09.46 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 07:10.10 | sanso | dondelelcaro, and since fai is debian-related, maybe #debian and #fai could both profit from that. |
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| 07:10.59 | dondelelcaro | sanso: yeah, let me know in a bit if you start getting more people there, and I'll definetly bring it in... |
| 07:11.18 | sanso | dondelelcaro, thanks :-) |
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| 07:12.12 | abrocadabro | hi, i am trying to upgrade my server from 2.2 kernel to 2.6 kernel, the machine boots up fine and all services seem to be running, however 1, i can't ssh to the server in 2.6 kernel, it says stdin is not a tty, 2, the proxy server doesn't work, any ideas ? |
| 07:12.15 | zu22 | streuner_: ja unstable |
| 07:12.45 | streuner_ | zu22: and you have no clue how to configure sound in debian? |
| 07:13.04 | zu22 | streuner_: i never needed sound before :) |
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| 07:13.20 | streuner_ | zu22: /msg dpkg sound |
| 07:13.39 | abrocadabro | also can i use stable against 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:13.43 | Coke | can you call any gnu system that doesn't have a sendmail binary of any sort broken? |
| 07:14.53 | zu22 | streuner_: danke |
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| 07:15.14 | dondelelcaro | Coke: if it has cron and doesn't have /usr/sbin/sendmail, it's probably broken. |
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| 07:18.52 | Coke | dondelelcaro: I meant generally if you could consider it broken. |
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| 07:19.11 | Coke | dondelelcaro: perhaps it's even required in POSIX or UNIX95 (or some standard) |
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| 07:19.22 | dondelelcaro | Coke: it isn't... but LSB requires it |
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| 07:21.45 | deadcat | some help with my english please: "anotehr thing i concern about ..." or "another thing i am concern about ..." ? |
| 07:22.16 | streuner_ | the chance is 50:50 :-) |
| 07:22.20 | streuner_ | at aleast |
| 07:22.21 | deadcat | )= |
| 07:22.30 | sanso | deadcat, "...I am concerned about..." |
| 07:22.35 | deadcat | k |
| 07:22.48 | deadcat | sanso: sure right? its for my english paper (= |
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| 07:23.01 | benjamindees | yes that's right |
| 07:23.06 | deadcat | k |
| 07:23.08 | deadcat | thanks |
| 07:23.12 | sanso | pretty sure (/msg dpkg dict concern) |
| 07:23.13 | MobyTurbo | deadcat: go to #homework and ask there. ;-) |
| 07:23.36 | kneet | You can use concerned about or "another thing that concerns me". For a paper I'd probably use the first |
| 07:23.37 | Zimbabwe | I have installed Debian, how I can see my IP from my machine? |
| 07:23.40 | mestapheles | hi |
| 07:23.50 | streuner_ | Zimbabwe: ifconfig |
| 07:23.52 | Scalpel | Zimbabwe: ifconfig |
| 07:23.55 | Zimbabwe | Ok |
| 07:24.10 | Scalpel | I have an 74G partition. Formated it in ext3 but df only shows 32G. Anyone know what could be the matter?? coreutils are up to date. |
| 07:24.15 | Zimbabwe | "ifconfig - command not found" |
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| 07:24.37 | streuner_ | you haven't debian installed then... |
| 07:24.44 | Scalpel | Zimbabwe: as root :) |
| 07:24.49 | sanso | deadcat, hmmpf /msg dpkg dict concern doesn't really help :-) |
| 07:24.52 | Zimbabwe | How I can get to root? |
| 07:24.56 | streuner_ | su |
| 07:24.58 | Scalpel | Zimbabwe: su |
| 07:24.58 | Zimbabwe | Ok |
| 07:25.05 | sanso | Zimbabwe, or type /sbin/ifconfig as user |
| 07:25.31 | Zimbabwe | Now it works but |
| 07:25.38 | Zimbabwe | That cant be my IP address :) |
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| 07:25.45 | sanso | Zimbabwe, why are You also hanging out in #suse? |
| 07:25.49 | sanso | heretic! |
| 07:25.50 | sanso | :-) |
| 07:25.54 | Zimbabwe | I have suse in my second copmuter |
| 07:26.04 | deadcat | Zimbabwe: modify your .bashrc and add /sbin:/usr/sbin to the PATH variable |
| 07:26.28 | Zimbabwe | I write to console: ".bashrc" |
| 07:26.29 | Zimbabwe | ? |
| 07:26.57 | deadcat | Zimbabwe: edit ~/.bashrc |
| 07:27.17 | Zimbabwe | Ok |
| 07:27.44 | Zimbabwe | "edit - command not found" :-) |
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| 07:28.04 | ProgramGeek | zimbabwe: Eek, sometimes you may need to log out an log in again |
| 07:28.12 | zu22 | ed ~/.bashrc |
| 07:28.14 | Zimbabwe | Hmm |
| 07:28.24 | deadcat | $EDITOR ~/.bashrc |
| 07:28.33 | streuner_ | just run 'bash' |
| 07:28.38 | MobyTurbo | nano ~/.bashrc |
| 07:28.39 | sanso | Zimbabwe, or just source .bashrc :-) |
| 07:28.47 | ProgramGeek | and $editor would be the path to editor? |
| 07:28.48 | sanso | vim ~/.bashrc |
| 07:28.52 | zu22 | if he don't have ed then he has problem ;) |
| 07:28.54 | deadcat | or just do it with the GUI |
| 07:29.01 | ProgramGeek | No, stop, gedit ~/.bashrc |
| 07:29.04 | ProgramGeek | Go easy on the kid |
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| 07:29.37 | abrocadabro | what's the major changes system wide in between 2.2 kernel system and 2.6 kernel system? |
| 07:29.37 | ProgramGeek | vim may be cool to you -- but considering i haven't learned the 30000 shortcuts |
| 07:29.38 | sanso | :-) |
| 07:29.39 | ProgramGeek | Abrocadabro: usb + firewire support, faster read/write on the hd |
| 07:29.39 | zu22 | xemacs ~/.bashrc to waste memory :D |
| 07:29.45 | Zimbabwe | So what i should do? |
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| 07:29.50 | benjamindees | iptables instead of ipchains |
| 07:30.14 | deadcat | bootsplash (= |
| 07:30.16 | ProgramGeek | Abrocadabro: Support for ntfs experimentally? |
| 07:30.18 | sanso | Zimbabwe, nano should be ok for console, gedit if You like a gui :-) |
| 07:30.20 | ProgramGeek | I think |
| 07:30.23 | benjamindees | new, multiple schedulers |
| 07:30.24 | MobyTurbo | Zimbabwe: although it's not the most powerful editor, nano is one of the easiest. If you have it in your GUI, then try gedit |
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| 07:30.45 | ProgramGeek | Does anyone here like Gnome? Or not like KDE? What's your opinions on GUIs? |
| 07:30.49 | abrocadabro | ProgramGeek: i have just updated my kernel from 2.2 to 2.6, all servers seem to be running, how come the ssh and squid do work? ssh says stdin is not a tty, |
| 07:30.53 | ProgramGeek | I really want to make my gnome interface look pretty |
| 07:30.59 | debian-san | Which version of kernel would you recommend for a server? 2.4.18 or 2.4.26? |
| 07:30.59 | sanso | ProgramGeek, trolling uh? |
| 07:31.04 | bob2 | ProgramGeek: this isn't an advocacy channel |
| 07:31.09 | bob2 | try and see which you like |
| 07:31.16 | ProgramGeek | Sanso: I'm asking for opinion, not to argue, but I want to try things out |
| 07:31.17 | bob2 | debian-san: as recent as possible |
| 07:31.36 | ProgramGeek | These are programs coded by people and everything deserves a chance, I want reccomendations. |
| 07:31.40 | Zimbabwe | I havent maybe got Internetconnectiong in that debian, how I can somehow make it? |
| 07:31.41 | debian-san | bob2: Even though it's not "stable"? |
| 07:31.49 | bob2 | debian-san: it's plenty stable |
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| 07:32.03 | bob2 | the debian "meaning" of "stable" is not the same as in english. |
| 07:32.07 | bob2 | ProgramGeek: so try them both, duh |
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| 07:32.27 | abrocadabro | what's the easier way to get ssh to work in 2.6 kernel after upgrading from 2.2 kernel? |
| 07:32.30 | sanso | ProgramGeek, I understand. the thing is, You have to try it out. Maybe give xfce4 a chance - pretty sleek |
| 07:32.32 | ProgramGeek | Bob2: If it was that simple -- I'de prefer a variety of opinions |
| 07:32.34 | Zimbabwe | I havent maybe got Internetconnectiong in that debian, how I can somehow make it? |
| 07:32.36 | ProgramGeek | Ah |
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| 07:32.52 | debian-san | bob2: I know but I'm concerned about security updates. |
| 07:32.54 | ProgramGeek | It seems many people can be pretty sensitive when it comes to mentioning stuff like this |
| 07:32.56 | ProgramGeek | Heh |
| 07:33.13 | benjamindees | debian-san, use whatever's in Woody |
| 07:33.26 | streuner_ | abrocadabro: Do you think we don't need that feature in 2.6.x kernels anymore? |
| 07:33.44 | benjamindees | 2.4.26 just adds some better hw support, usb I think |
| 07:33.49 | sanso | ProgramGeek, there's missionaries everywhere a question like that can fire up a flame war. |
| 07:34.01 | debian-san | benjamindees: That would be 2.4.18 then. |
| 07:34.07 | streuner_ | abrocadabro: check out BTS, if you use an custom kernel fix it. |
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| 07:34.18 | bob2 | ProgramGeek: how can anyone possibly tell you which you'd prefer? |
| 07:34.18 | bob2 | abrocadabro: it broke? |
| 07:34.18 | sanso | ProgramGeek, add a ',' after 'everywhere' :-) |
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| 07:34.54 | Zimbabwe | I havent maybe got Internet connectiong in my debian, how I can somehow make it? |
| 07:35.14 | bob2 | ProgramGeek: no, it's just a pointless discussion that goes round and round |
| 07:35.28 | streuner_ | Zimbabwe: how are you connected to i-net at all? |
| 07:35.31 | ProgramGeek | Bob2: ... |
| 07:35.33 | debian-san | bob2: I don't really care about features. I would prefer "peace of mind". So I think I will stay with 2.4.18 (stable). |
| 07:35.35 | deadcat | Zimbabwe: are you on your suse box right now? |
| 07:35.36 | ProgramGeek | sanso: ahhh |
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| 07:35.49 | bob2 | debian-san: well, 2.4.18 isn't being updated on all arches in debian anymore |
| 07:36.00 | MobyTurbo | debian-san: 2.4.18 might have a local root exploit |
| 07:36.35 | Zimbabwe | streuner_, this is my second computer. My server which is running at Debian is in other room and I'm trying to get Internet Connectiong to that computer :) |
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| 07:36.37 | debian-san | Really...? So it's not really "stable" then... isn't it? |
| 07:36.51 | bob2 | 17:32:02 bob2 | the debian "meaning" of "stable" is not the same as in english. |
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| 07:37.43 | debian-san | I know that. Still, I would have tought that 2.4.18 would be more secure considering it's labeled "stable". |
| 07:37.50 | streuner_ | Zimbabwe: sure, are you connected via hardware router/gateway or using ADSL modem? |
| 07:38.00 | Zimbabwe | Router |
| 07:38.06 | streuner_ | hardware? |
| 07:38.07 | MobyTurbo | IHBT. Sigh |
| 07:38.09 | jetscreamer | there are no patches or security.debian.org's |
| 07:38.42 | Zimbabwe | I have intergrated network card and adsl router |
| 07:38.43 | streuner_ | Zimbabwe: and the hardware has DHCP? |
| 07:39.02 | streuner_ | Zimbabwe: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 07:39.12 | jetscreamer | some adsl modems have the router internally |
| 07:39.13 | debian-san | Anyway, thanks for your input. |
| 07:39.29 | jetscreamer | no problem |
| 07:39.39 | jetscreamer | anything else? |
| 07:39.44 | Zimbabwe | "edit the /etc/network/interfaces", how I can edit it? |
| 07:39.51 | jetscreamer | edit it with an editor |
| 07:39.52 | jm_ | debian-san: that's why Debian patches 2.4.18, check the DSA-s |
| 07:40.02 | jetscreamer | nano -w is one way |
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| 07:40.09 | streuner_ | Zimbabwe: use 'nano' |
| 07:40.14 | jetscreamer | nano -w |
| 07:40.16 | Zimbabwe | nano -w /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:40.18 | Zimbabwe | Like thaT? |
| 07:40.20 | jetscreamer | turns off wrapping |
| 07:40.24 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 07:40.27 | Zimbabwe | Ok |
| 07:40.51 | debian-san | jm_: DSA-s? |
| 07:41.01 | jetscreamer | ctrl k and ctrl u are cut & paste, but for entire line |
| 07:41.29 | jetscreamer | it functions, not feature filled i guess |
| 07:41.29 | jm_ | debian-san: /msg dpkg dsa |
| 07:42.29 | Zimbabwe | How I can save that file in nano? |
| 07:42.36 | jetscreamer | ooo -wk |
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| 07:42.46 | jetscreamer | when you exit it asks, but ctrl+o |
| 07:43.01 | jetscreamer | ctrl x is exit.. there should be a help thingy on the bottom |
| 07:43.05 | jm_ | "how do I exit nano?" :) |
| 07:43.26 | bucky | ctl - x |
| 07:43.51 | jetscreamer | et |
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| 07:44.36 | Zimbabwe | ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 07:44.43 | Zimbabwe | What that means... |
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| 07:44.56 | jetscreamer | you didn't load your nic's modules? |
| 07:45.06 | jetscreamer | or you didn't ifup eth0? |
| 07:45.11 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 07:45.18 | Zimbabwe | Well |
| 07:45.18 | sussudio | Zimbabwe: why are you in #suse? |
| 07:45.37 | Zimbabwe | "edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot" <-- That is what i made |
| 07:45.44 | Zimbabwe | sussudio, i have in my second computer suse |
| 07:45.49 | jetscreamer | got modules? |
| 07:45.53 | Zimbabwe | What modules? |
| 07:46.01 | jetscreamer | aka drivers |
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| 07:46.02 | streuner_ | Zimbabwe: the module for NIC isn't loaded |
| 07:46.05 | jetscreamer | the ones for your nic |
| 07:46.14 | Zimbabwe | What I should then do? |
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| 07:46.16 | streuner_ | !nic |
| 07:46.16 | dpkg | [nic] (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 07:46.16 | jetscreamer | http://scyld.com/network.html |
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| 07:46.49 | jetscreamer | that thing you plug the wire that looks like a fat telephone wire. |
| 07:46.56 | jetscreamer | into. |
| 07:47.09 | jetscreamer | into your computer. |
| 07:47.15 | Zimbabwe | In my network card? |
| 07:47.31 | jetscreamer | do you plug a big fat wire in your network card? |
| 07:47.39 | Zimbabwe | Rj-45 |
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| 07:47.59 | jetscreamer | then yes i mean your network card needs the modules, aka drivers, loaded before it will function. |
| 07:48.13 | Zimbabwe | Yes |
| 07:48.25 | jetscreamer | http://scyld.com/network.html |
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| 07:49.17 | Zimbabwe | But I have intergrated network card to mb |
| 07:49.44 | jetscreamer | but are the modules for the integrated nic card to mb loaded |
| 07:49.52 | jetscreamer | (you stil lneed the modules) |
| 07:49.56 | jetscreamer | sis? |
| 07:50.02 | jetscreamer | modprobe |
| 07:50.04 | ncp | is it okay to ask a question about a problem with iptables in here? the people in #iptables are asleep :\ |
| 07:50.32 | jetscreamer | Zimbabwe, what is your nic? is it an sis mb? |
| 07:50.37 | Zimbabwe | Yes |
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| 07:50.45 | jetscreamer | sis900 |
| 07:50.56 | valdyn | ncp: sure. at least when there's not to much trafficv |
| 07:51.00 | jetscreamer | modprobe sis900, edit /etc/modules and add that also. |
| 07:51.09 | ncp | [08:51] < ncp> im trying to forward port 5900 so i can connect to my windows machine, but i cant connect, this i what i have in my fw.sh script |
| 07:51.13 | ncp | [08:51] < ncp> $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 5900 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.0.30 |
| 07:51.16 | ncp | [08:51] < ncp> $IPT -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT |
| 07:51.23 | jetscreamer | then ifup eth0 should work |
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| 07:51.34 | Zimbabwe | So I type: "modprobe sis900"? |
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| 07:51.44 | jetscreamer | and adding that to /etc/modules will have it load on reboots |
| 07:51.46 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 07:51.53 | Zimbabwe | Ok |
| 07:52.36 | clojster | do anyone know how can I define which program will run after I press [ENTER] on some file in Midnight Commander? |
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| 07:53.06 | jetscreamer | you can also lspci -vv | less or grep |
| 07:53.29 | Agrajag- | does anyone happen to know of any good nfs servers for windows? |
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| 07:53.36 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: hahahahaha |
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| 07:54.07 | Agrajag- | heh, didn't realise it was that funny |
| 07:54.25 | zu22 | Agrajag-: wrong irc network dude :) |
| 07:54.43 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: I've never heard of one, and it's doubtful that it would work at all. Furthermore, this is the wrong channel for that question (and probably the wrong network too) |
| 07:54.54 | Agrajag- | zu22: well i was after an open source one |
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| 07:55.07 | netsurfer | Agrajag- - yup, but cant remember the name ;) |
| 07:55.11 | valdyn | ncp: i use shorewall for this, looks like i cant help |
| 07:55.18 | Agrajag- | hmm just found one http://opensource.franz.com/nfs/ |
| 07:55.23 | Agrajag- | oh well ta anyway |
| 07:56.00 | Zimbabwe | This says in "ifconfig" as my ip is: 127.0.0.0 , it cant be! |
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| 07:56.30 | ncp | valdyn: does it look correkt to you to? |
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| 07:56.35 | arango | Is it possible to set the framebuffer to 800x480 ? |
| 07:56.37 | vulture | Zimbabwe: that'd be your loopback device.. |
| 07:56.38 | jetscreamer | you need to do the dhcp or pppoe thing still/again, no idea i use static. |
| 07:56.43 | vulture | Zimbabwe: does it only show the one device? |
| 07:56.45 | jetscreamer | and that |
| 07:56.56 | vulture | s/device/interface/ |
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| 07:57.13 | jetscreamer | he means is that the only ip it shows |
| 07:57.27 | Zimbabwe | Local looppack? |
| 07:57.40 | jetscreamer | supposed to be 127.0.0.1 though isn't it? |
| 07:57.48 | valdyn | ncp: can you show me the rule your command creates? |
| 07:57.55 | vulture | yes, loopback is meant to be, and always will be, 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:58.11 | jetscreamer | so why the trailing 0 |
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| 07:58.18 | jetscreamer | typo or what |
| 07:58.19 | arango | how to set framebuffer to 800x480 ? |
| 07:58.27 | jetscreamer | fbset? |
| 07:58.34 | vulture | jetscreamer: typo I assume |
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| 07:58.47 | Zimbabwe | So how I can see my computer's IP |
| 07:58.54 | zu22 | vulture: what is loopback in ipv6 routing? ;) |
| 07:58.54 | jetscreamer | ifconfig |
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| 07:59.10 | valdyn | ncp: it does look correct, but this is very hard, me being not very familiar with it and not knowing how familiar you are - keep in mind too that rules are evaluated in order they appear in the table |
| 07:59.16 | Zimbabwe | But it says as my ip is that 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:59.25 | jetscreamer | Zimbabwe, did it say 127.0.0.1, or 127.0.0.0 .. ah |
| 07:59.39 | benjamindees | Zimbabwe, you need to enable a network interface, ie your hardware |
| 07:59.44 | jetscreamer | ok so like i said, you still need to reinitialize dhcp or pppoe, whatever |
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| 07:59.48 | vulture | zu22: good question, I dunno off hand |
| 07:59.55 | Zimbabwe | How benjamindees? |
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| 07:59.59 | arango | jetscreamer: do you know how to do it with a boot argument ? |
| 08:00.04 | jetscreamer | i use static ip's so can't help you there |
| 08:00.11 | benjamindees | Zimbabwe, depends on what your hardware is |
| 08:00.28 | Zimbabwe | I have integrated network card to MB and somekind adsl router |
| 08:00.35 | jetscreamer | arango, vga=whatever in lilo.conf is one way? |
| 08:01.00 | benjamindees | Zimbabwe, use the 'lspci' command to find your network card, then 'modprobe' the correct driver |
| 08:01.11 | jetscreamer | benjamindees, he's done that |
| 08:01.17 | jetscreamer | i hope |
| 08:01.19 | arango | jetscreamer: yes but I don't know what the value is for 800x480 |
| 08:01.24 | Zimbabwe | Ok |
| 08:01.43 | jetscreamer | now he needs the next step |
| 08:02.03 | benjamindees | that would be pppoe probably |
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| 08:02.05 | jetscreamer | arango, vga=ask |
| 08:02.06 | Zimbabwe | Cannot open /proc/bus/pci |
| 08:02.20 | d3s | how can I cpy my old ntfs (winxp) partition from one usb_hd to current hd using linux? |
| 08:02.33 | jetscreamer | ntfsclone |
| 08:02.39 | jetscreamer | but it's weird |
| 08:02.55 | d3s | jetscreamer: how weird? |
| 08:02.59 | jetscreamer | man ntfsprogs & ntfsclone (and ntfsfix) |
| 08:03.44 | jetscreamer | i dunno.. it functions but i didn't test it actually writing a partition... just an image. somebody was saying they use it and it works, but that's about all i know. |
| 08:04.11 | jetscreamer | or you could use dd maybe |
| 08:04.15 | arango | jetscreamer: ask = ? |
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| 08:04.38 | benjamindees | jetscreamer, do you see an eth0 interface in ifconfig? |
| 08:04.51 | benjamindees | er, Zimbabwe that was for you :-/ |
| 08:05.05 | jetscreamer | vga=ask |
| 08:05.08 | Zimbabwe | Can i see eth0 interface in ifconfig? |
| 08:05.20 | jetscreamer | benjamindees, he sees 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:05.34 | ncp | valdyn: if your up to it, ore just have the time, i have put the script online http://gaylord.dk/fw |
| 08:05.34 | koyaan | can anyone point me to the page where i can get the most recent net-install mini-cdrom for amd64? |
| 08:05.43 | koyaan | last i found was from 1th jan |
| 08:05.45 | d3s | jetscreamer: tried dd but no luck |
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| 08:05.50 | benjamindees | Zimbabwe, run 'ifconfig eth0 up' |
| 08:06.33 | SilentBob | How can I install kernel source on a box I just formatted with the latest debian sarge |
| 08:06.37 | Zimbabwe | ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 08:06.39 | SilentBob | I have disc1 disc2 and disc3 |
| 08:06.44 | SilentBob | Is the kernel source on any of those? |
| 08:06.59 | benjamindees | Zimbabwe, good that means you need to insert the driver for your network card |
| 08:07.04 | SilentBob | What is the name of the apt-get package. |
| 08:07.20 | piem | SilentBob: kernel-source-<version> |
| 08:07.37 | Zimbabwe | DRiver, i dont have any drivers |
| 08:08.02 | SilentBob | piem, kernel-source-2.4 |
| 08:08.04 | SilentBob | like that? |
| 08:08.06 | benjamindees | SilentBob, apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 08:08.11 | SilentBob | piem, Will it be on my sarge disc 1-3? |
| 08:08.26 | SilentBob | I don't have internet access. |
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| 08:08.31 | jm_ | SilentBob: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:08.36 | SilentBob | I need the kernel source for my wireless orinoco |
| 08:08.41 | AldeBaran_ | hi |
| 08:09.01 | benjamindees | this isn't yum :) apt doesn't need internet access |
| 08:09.06 | piem | SilentBob: kernel-source-2.4.27 or 2.6.8. i don't think so, but have look |
| 08:09.09 | piem | +a |
| 08:09.36 | bighead | anyone know why the "Export" to png/jpeg/etc in dia 0.94 doesn't work? I have all messed up colors :-/ |
| 08:09.50 | SilentBob | piem, Where can I download that package on the net? |
| 08:09.54 | SilentBob | It will be a .deb file? |
| 08:09.54 | AldeBaran_ | can one go from sid to sarge? |
| 08:10.24 | piem | SilentBob: http://packages.debian.org/kernel-source and follow the trail |
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| 08:11.06 | SilentBob | piem, Can't find that package. |
| 08:11.10 | SilentBob | "" |
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| 08:11.18 | piem | make it search, the last link\ |
| 08:11.37 | Zimbabwe | So Its impossible to get internetconnectiong to that fucking computer because i dont have any drivers for integrated networkcard?! |
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| 08:12.15 | piem | sorry the link "package names that contains" ... |
| 08:12.21 | benjamindees | Zimbabwe, chill, run lspci as root this time, and paste the entry for your network card |
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| 08:13.43 | quentusrex | what is a command line html viewer? |
| 08:13.46 | cthulfuego | Zimbabwe: Cool, innit? |
| 08:13.53 | cthulfuego | quentusrex: links/lynx |
| 08:13.54 | vulture | quentusrex: elinks, lynx, etc.. |
| 08:13.55 | cat | quentusrex nano html |
| 08:13.55 | quentusrex | i need to view a website through commandline |
| 08:13.59 | Zimbabwe | Cannot open /proc/bus/pci |
| 08:14.00 | quentusrex | thanks |
| 08:14.01 | cat | or lynx |
| 08:14.01 | AldeBaran_ | quentusrex: wget ? lynx? w3c |
| 08:14.07 | cthulfuego | Zimbabwe: 'lspci' |
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| 08:14.26 | cthulfuego | quentusrex: 'links' will probably give you the most joy. |
| 08:14.41 | bighead | how can I downgrade my dia package (0.94 currently) to a previous version? (say 0.91) |
| 08:14.50 | AldeBaran_ | w3m even |
| 08:15.04 | Zimbabwe | lspci: Cant find any access working plaaplaaplaa |
| 08:15.09 | cthulfuego | SilentBob: The orinoco 0.15 drivers are on savannah. http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/orinoco/ |
| 08:15.16 | piem | Zimbabwe: get a chip one, will be less than 7 $/€ |
| 08:15.21 | quentusrex | no |
| 08:15.27 | piem | Zimbabwe: and next time think before you buy crappy hardware :) |
| 08:15.29 | quentusrex | lynx is not the program I need |
| 08:15.36 | Zimbabwe | piem, no |
| 08:15.51 | SilentBob | thanks cthulfuego |
| 08:15.52 | cthulfuego | quentusrex: Then you're asking the wrong question. |
| 08:15.54 | SilentBob | very helpful |
| 08:15.56 | piem | Zimbabwe: no you don't want to think ? |
| 08:15.56 | Zimbabwe | SuSE ubuntu and all other os:s have found my network card |
| 08:15.58 | quentusrex | ok |
| 08:16.02 | quentusrex | wget was the program i needed |
| 08:16.12 | AldeBaran_ | quentusrex: wget will download but not display the webpage, w3m willdisplay it like lynx but it has some extra functionality that is quite nice |
| 08:16.14 | cthulfuego | SilentBob: Those also include support for monitor mode (kismet, airsnort etc) |
| 08:16.17 | AldeBaran_ | like image display |
| 08:16.26 | bighead | or rather, how can tell apt-get to install a specific version of a package? |
| 08:16.26 | quentusrex | wget -O- website.com was the command i needed |
| 08:16.34 | cthulfuego | quentusrex: wget is for downloading, not for viewing. |
| 08:16.53 | quentusrex | i need to stdout the website |
| 08:16.59 | piem | Zimbabwe: then find out why, get the missing patch, and _report_ it as wishlist (reportbug kernel-image-<version>) |
| 08:17.00 | quentusrex | because i need to script this. |
| 08:17.12 | cthulfuego | quentusrex: lynx -dump |
| 08:17.25 | cthulfuego | That outputs a *rendered* version. |
| 08:17.30 | quentusrex | beautiful |
| 08:17.32 | bucky | if you apt-get a kernel-patch how do you let make-kpkg know to use it? |
| 08:17.35 | quentusrex | even better |
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| 08:18.49 | AldeBaran_ | lynx -source website also outputs html :) |
| 08:19.09 | quentusrex | awesome |
| 08:19.18 | AldeBaran_ | bucky: if you put it in the correct place it will be used automatically |
| 08:19.18 | quentusrex | does anyone know of proxychains? |
| 08:19.21 | quentusrex | the program? |
| 08:19.34 | cthulfuego | !info proxychains |
| 08:19.50 | dpkg | proxychains: (Proxy Chains - redirect connections through proxy servers), section net, is optional. Version: 1.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
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| 08:20.20 | wishie | anyone using the nvidia driver with kernel 2.6.10 ? |
| 08:20.26 | cthulfuego | wishie: yes. |
| 08:20.31 | bucky | AldeBaran_, that's what it apparently did... thank you |
| 08:20.41 | wishie | cthulfuego: you install it 'the debian way' or using the nvidia installer ? |
| 08:20.42 | cthulfuego | wishie: With 2.6.11-rc3 even |
| 08:20.45 | clojster | is there a package with "tahoma" font? |
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| 08:21.00 | simonrvn | convert it or something |
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| 08:21.14 | cthulfuego | wishie: the debian way, with the patches for 2.6.9 and 2.6.10 support applied. See the topic in #nvidia |
| 08:21.20 | wishie | cthulfuego: well, im using the nvidia installer (as thats the way im used to) and it wont build |
| 08:21.24 | wishie | hmm, ok |
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| 08:21.30 | cthulfuego | clojster: msttcorefonts in non-free. |
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| 08:22.19 | wishie | ill look for those patches..thanks |
| 08:22.21 | wishie | gtg |
| 08:22.24 | clojster | cthulfuego: and where is non-free? |
| 08:22.31 | cthulfuego | clojster: On all debian mirrors. |
| 08:22.52 | TolkienLuver | is debian apt-get mirror still using nmap 3.75 ? |
| 08:23.05 | cthulfuego | !info nmap woody |
| 08:23.09 | TolkienLuver | !info nmap |
| 08:23.14 | dpkg | nmap: (The Network Mapper), section net, is extra. Version: 3.75-1 (sid), Packaged size: 548 kB, Installed size: 1840 kB |
| 08:23.15 | clojster | cthulfuego: when I search for msttcorefonts I get only one package and there is not TAHOMA font... |
| 08:23.18 | dpkg | nmap: (The Network Mapper), section net, is extra. Version: 2.54.31.BETA-1 (woody), Packaged size: 246 kB, Installed size: 731 kB |
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| 08:23.22 | TolkienLuver | thanks ! cthulfuego |
| 08:23.34 | TolkienLuver | jeez, its still the old version |
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| 08:24.04 | cthulfuego | TolkienLuver: Paxckage the new one after you make sure it compiles and works on all 12 arches, then submit a NMU. |
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| 08:24.19 | TolkienLuver | where can i find nmu? |
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| 08:24.34 | TolkienLuver | nmap3.81 works on my debian |
| 08:24.37 | voldy | i need an app that can extract from "kgb" archives... anyone know what can do that? dumb asshole can't just send a zip or a tar |
| 08:24.44 | TolkienLuver | >_< |
| 08:24.46 | TolkienLuver | i'm really new here |
| 08:24.50 | cthulfuego | TolkienLuver: Does it also work on amd64, ppc, sparc etc? |
| 08:24.56 | TolkienLuver | err.. just x86 |
| 08:24.57 | TolkienLuver | :| |
| 08:25.21 | TolkienLuver | ghehee |
| 08:25.26 | cthulfuego | TolkienLuver: Well, what good is that, then? |
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| 08:25.45 | cthulfuego | No serious computer user would run it on that shitty arch <heh> |
| 08:26.01 | TolkienLuver | oh. |
| 08:26.02 | cthulfuego | clojster: Got windows handy? |
| 08:26.11 | TolkienLuver | jeez. |
| 08:26.16 | clojster | cthulfuego: yes |
| 08:26.17 | TolkienLuver | thanks. |
| 08:26.24 | cthulfuego | clojster: Just copy tahoma.ttf to ~/.fonts |
| 08:26.31 | debian-san | bighead: I'm not sure but I think you should do : apt-get remove dia;apt-get install dia=0.91 |
| 08:26.37 | cthulfuego | TolkienLuver: It *will* enter debian, just be patient. |
| 08:26.45 | TolkienLuver | :) |
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| 08:26.54 | bighead | debian-san: no such version :-/ |
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| 08:27.57 | quentusrex | does anyone know of a good program that routes tcp connections through a proxy? |
| 08:28.09 | sussudio | !irritate quentusrex |
| 08:28.09 | dpkg | quentusrex: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound plz msg me, mea-away |
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| 08:28.21 | clojster | cthulfuego: thats it? I don't need to add somewhere path to it? |
| 08:28.32 | cthulfuego | clojster: Seems to work for me. |
| 08:28.35 | quentusrex | haha... sussudio |
| 08:28.41 | debian-san | bighead: You can build it from source then. |
| 08:28.45 | bighead | what is the package version for libfreetype 2.0.9? |
| 08:28.49 | cthulfuego | clojster: Yopu may or may not need to be running defoma for it to work, I dunno. |
| 08:28.52 | bighead | debian-san: how do I do that? |
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| 08:29.18 | debian-san | The source is available here : http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/ |
| 08:29.18 | clojster | cthulfuego: ok, thanks |
| 08:29.38 | voldy | anyone know how to extract from kgb archives please |
| 08:29.47 | cthulfuego | voldy: google |
| 08:29.49 | bighead | how do I view .eps files? |
| 08:29.54 | debian-san | I guess, you do the usual : ./configure;make clean;make;make install... |
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| 08:30.13 | gmaz | bighead : with gv ? |
| 08:30.14 | cthulfuego | bighead: with an eps viewer. GIMP can handle 'em, MAYME ghostview can, too. |
| 08:30.44 | piem | debian-san: and why would he want to do that? |
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| 08:32.45 | debian-san | piem: Well, he asked for version 0.91 of dia. |
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| 08:33.54 | gmaz | How can i open .jar files ? I try with sablevm, is it a good choice ? |
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| 08:34.11 | alx242 | gmaz: jar == zip |
| 08:34.24 | voldy | cthulfuego: only found windoze apps for it on google |
| 08:34.27 | juhov | if dia 0.91 was ever in debian, you can get it from snapshot.debian.net |
| 08:34.34 | bighead | debian-san: well the source requires libfreetype6 v2.0.9, and I have 2.1.7 install for that and I can't find the libfreetype6v2.0.9 in debian archives |
| 08:34.57 | gmaz | Thx alx242, in fact jar is just a compress archive of class files ? |
| 08:35.02 | piem | debian-san: i think if bighead was completing the entry at http://bugs.debian.org/275960 and pimp the maintainer to put upload the new upstream, it would be far more useful |
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| 08:35.08 | bighead | bottom line, I want dia to export my diagrams nicely. And I remember it worked for me for v0.90 or soemthing. Now it doesn't anymore :-/ |
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| 08:35.20 | piem | bighead: apt-get build-dep dia |
| 08:35.26 | debian-san | piem: Indeed. |
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| 08:36.25 | torc | hello, what is the /opt dir for? |
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| 08:36.57 | piem | bighead: look at the bug number i posted above, read it carefully, and bring your stone to it by explaining what exactly is your issue. |
| 08:37.07 | bucky | torc it's for everything that isn't FSF.. ;) |
| 08:37.25 | bucky | except for the kernel of course |
| 08:37.47 | alex__ | hi, i'm interested to known if with ham radio could i trasnfer file or nat a pc ? |
| 08:37.48 | torc | bucky: can i put optional self-compiled perl there for example? i do not want other apps to use it. should i remove /opt from path? |
| 08:37.48 | alex__ | but if i connect my cb with the serial port the isnt't too slow ? |
| 08:38.16 | piem | torc: it stands for optional, and a bunch of non debian binaries install here (openoffice for instance) |
| 08:38.42 | piem | bucky: /opt has nothing to do with FSF nor the kernel |
| 08:38.45 | torc | piem: so could some pkg ocassionally use the wrong perl? |
| 08:39.16 | piem | torc: do you have anothre perl inthere ? not if you don't mess your PATH variable |
| 08:39.26 | bucky | torc, i just use /usr/local/lib/site_perl for that because 'perl -V' shows it as being in the @INC already |
| 08:39.51 | torc | piem: i have a stock sarge perl, which is in /usr/lib for now. |
| 08:40.06 | piem | bucky: dpkg-divert |
| 08:40.12 | torc | piem: and i want an optional unstable one, should i just put it in some fancy dir, not even /opt ? |
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| 08:41.20 | piem | torc: yeah, you could. or you could just install it in your home |
| 08:41.23 | toresbe | I'm reading in some paper tapes here |
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| 08:41.39 | clojster | how can I have numlock switched on after reboot? |
| 08:41.39 | torc | piem: yep, home is nice :) thanks. |
| 08:41.47 | toresbe | clojster: that's in the BIOS |
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| 08:41.59 | toresbe | and some of the binaries have what is by the terminal driver interpreted as an EOF |
| 08:42.18 | clojster | toresbe: I have it turned on in BIOS |
| 08:42.20 | piem | torc: './configure --prefix=$HOME/here' is your friend |
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| 08:44.46 | sanso | clojster, numlockx on in Your {.profile|.bashrc|..} |
| 08:45.08 | clojster | sanso: ok, I'll look at it |
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| 08:45.50 | sanso | clojster, it'll only be on after login, not reboot, mind You. |
| 08:46.11 | ardy | I switched to using eSound inorder to be able to use alsa with dmix in kde and now my sound is kinda crackally |
| 08:46.19 | ardy | what should I do? |
| 08:46.27 | clojster | sanso: I see |
| 08:46.33 | clojster | sanso: thanks |
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| 08:46.53 | valdyn | ardy: you might have to specify your frequency for esd |
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| 08:47.18 | valdyn | ardy: esd -r 48000 or esd -r 44100 |
| 08:47.28 | clojster | sanso: but I don't see it in ~/.bashrc nor ~/.bashrc-profile |
| 08:48.06 | juhov | you're supposed to add it in there :) |
| 08:48.36 | clojster | juhov: but how :) |
| 08:48.46 | sanso | clojster, if You hat "numlockx on" there, numlock would be on already :-) ? You'll have to put it there (and check if You have the binary installed before You do) |
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| 08:49.00 | sanso | clojster, s/?/!/ |
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| 08:50.02 | piem | ardy: have a look at http://bugs.debian.org/283814 |
| 08:50.08 | sanso | clojster, if You want it turned on on Your consoles, look at /etc/console-tools/config |
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| 08:50.52 | clojster | sanso: thanks a lot |
| 08:51.01 | ardy | piem: huh.... damn |
| 08:51.10 | inetd | hmm does debian and has more pkgs than freebsd ? :) or gentoo |
| 08:51.27 | sussudio | inetd: fuck off |
| 08:51.32 | quentusrex | how do you make a debian package from a tar.gz file? |
| 08:51.36 | valdyn | ardy: specifying sample rate does not fix it? |
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| 08:52.04 | inetd | sussudio: ? u got fuckin PMS faggot/ |
| 08:52.25 | bob2 | inetd: you get no more warnings |
| 08:52.28 | bob2 | sussudio: and please don't |
| 08:52.39 | sussudio | bob2: he's already banned... evading it |
| 08:52.46 | piem | ardy: you could send a mail to 283814@bugs.debian.org to add more info about this. mentionning the output of '/sbin/lspci | grep -i audio' could help. |
| 08:53.14 | inetd | bob2: im not the one who started swearing ..the dumb ass there started it |
| 08:53.32 | bob2 | inetd: that's luverly, now you can stop it |
| 08:53.43 | piem | ardy: sorry, lspci is in /usr/bin, so just 'lspci | grep -i audio' would do |
| 08:53.47 | valdyn | piem: that "bug" looks like dmix uses a different sample rate than his alsa device understands |
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| 08:54.03 | valdyn | piem: or _whatever_ software in his chain |
| 08:54.24 | bighead | piem: I read it. Pretty much the same problems, however as one of them suggested, I tried from outside X, it exported fine then :-/ |
| 08:54.46 | piem | valdyn: i am not sure, if he has cracks, it should not be samplerate related. |
| 08:54.55 | valdyn | piem: picking wrong frequency for alsa = skips every few sec, picking wrong frequency in esd = cracks |
| 08:55.40 | inetd | bob2: meh |
| 08:55.42 | piem | bighead: how do you mean 'from outside X' ? |
| 08:55.54 | bob2 | lovely |
| 08:56.14 | valdyn | piem: unfortunately one needs to enable debugging options in the kernel for alsa to inform you when wrong frequ is chosen |
| 08:56.31 | bighead | piem: well I switch to the virtual terminal 2 (C-M-F2), and tried to export again (I'm using command line exporting in dia) |
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| 08:57.25 | inetd | you cant ask a legit question these days without idiots blowin up on your face |
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| 08:57.46 | bighead | piem: search for author Hamasaki in the bug report. He mentioned it |
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| 08:58.00 | piem | valdyn: crafting a better .asoundrc would fix that then |
| 08:58.11 | quentusrex | how do you apt-get install source from a local source? |
| 08:58.53 | valdyn | piem: yep |
| 08:59.03 | bighead | piem: although regarding the color, I get weirder colors than just black on white |
| 08:59.09 | bighead | I mean white on black |
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| 09:00.37 | piem | bighead: that's an odd bug. would be nice if you could use 'reportbug dia' to complete this 275960 entry. |
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| 09:00.51 | bighead | piem: ok, will do. |
| 09:01.15 | Elimin8or | Im trying to install my SCSI-2 Device so I can use my tape backup and I get this: aha152x0: vital data: rev=0, io=0x140 (0x140/0x140), irq=10, scsiid=7, reconnect=disabled, parity=enabled, synchronous=enabled, delay=1000, extended translation=disabled irq 10 possibly wrong. Please verify. |
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| 09:02.20 | bighead | piem: on a side note, I'm also having problems same as 273030 (font size with eps output) |
| 09:02.36 | flankk | anyone know of a utility in the repos that can probe and diagnose monitor issues? it would help me out quite a bit with monitor repairs. |
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| 09:03.30 | benjamindees | quentusrex, add a file;// url to sources.list |
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| 09:05.13 | valdyn | flankk: how the hell would that be supposd to work? |
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| 09:05.24 | piem | bighead: does it also complains about non-interactive mode then ? |
| 09:05.30 | ideafix | lol |
| 09:05.58 | bighead | piem: non-interactive mode? no I just get the "could not import gtkcons.py" warning. |
| 09:06.07 | valdyn | flankk: dont know about anything beyond read-edid |
| 09:06.16 | flankk | valdyn, something along the lines of seeing if the line is up, which pins, etc. why be an ass? |
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| 09:08.07 | piem | bighead: that was the error you get when exporting from a running X. same here then, complete the report to pimp the maintainer :) |
| 09:08.27 | bighead | :) ok |
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| 09:08.58 | flankk | valdyn, hrm. well i've got a monitor that's got no image, except for a bunch of scanlines. i would like to narrow down whether or not the cable and pins are inact before sending it to a repair shop for $50 |
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| 09:09.06 | quentusrex | I'm trying to install the newest version of proxychains. I enter the commands: ./configure(this goes well.) then make(this fails.) |
| 09:09.09 | quentusrex | help? |
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| 09:09.16 | bob2 | awesome |
| 09:09.24 | flankk | valdyn, some utility as simple as probing the interface would work great.. |
| 09:09.28 | quentusrex | cd . && aclocal |
| 09:09.28 | quentusrex | cd . && automake --foreign --include-deps Makefile |
| 09:09.28 | quentusrex | cd . && autoconf |
| 09:09.28 | quentusrex | aclocal.m4:549: error: m4_defn: undefined macro: _m4_divert_diversion |
| 09:09.28 | quentusrex | autoconf/lang.m4:172: AC_LANG_RESTORE is expanded from... |
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| 09:09.34 | bob2 | idiot |
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| 09:10.39 | quentusrex | could someone help me to install this program? |
| 09:10.45 | simon | i cant seem to use sudo anymore, now when try it says sudo : must be setuid root. I cant work out what I've done or how to solve this |
| 09:10.57 | inetd | awesome idiot? |
| 09:10.57 | piem | quentusrex: try 'autoreconf -f -i' |
| 09:11.45 | juhov | simon: check permissions on /usr/bin/sudo, or do you have /usr mounted nosuid or something? |
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| 09:12.12 | quentusrex | piem, no good. it keeps spitting out an error:aclocal.m4:549: error: m4_defn: undefined macro: _m4_divert_diversion |
| 09:12.16 | bob2 | inetd: please try to be useful |
| 09:12.21 | bob2 | quentusrex: talk to the author |
| 09:12.28 | bob2 | or, better still, don't run those command at all |
| 09:12.45 | bob2 | the Makefile is broken if it's running them for you |
| 09:12.51 | bob2 | simon: is / nosuid? |
| 09:12.56 | inetd | bob2: who are you tell me to be useful? |
| 09:13.06 | bob2 | inetd: someone who is annoyed at you |
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| 09:13.18 | inetd | bob2: for doing what? |
| 09:14.06 | simon | juhov : my permissions on /usr/bin/sudo are set at 777 |
| 09:14.11 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.17 | inetd | bob2: well? |
| 09:15.18 | simon | bob2 : i dont know how to check if / is nosuid |
| 09:15.26 | bob2 | simon: "mount" |
| 09:15.33 | bob2 | inetd: well what? just stop being annoying. |
| 09:15.57 | juhov | simon: is it a symlink then? otherwise those permissions don't make sense to me. it should be 4755 |
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| 09:16.37 | inetd | bob2: meh. speak for yourself |
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| 09:16.46 | bob2 | inetd: indeed. |
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| 09:17.01 | simon | juhov : i've been playing around with permissions of a lot of files - i might have changed it by accident |
| 09:17.16 | bob2 | simon: er, you should never be changing permissions in /usr/ |
| 09:17.24 | simon | juhov : should i change it back to 4755 |
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| 09:17.36 | juhov | simon: if you want it to work again, yes :) |
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| 09:19.15 | juhov | what were you trying to do anyway, giving write permission on binaries to everyone? |
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| 09:19.57 | Borszczuk | hi |
| 09:20.30 | EvanCarroll | anyone here have a second for a quick off subject poll? |
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| 09:21.03 | EvanCarroll | going to swap out a style sheet, want to know what one looks better. www.evancarroll.com the one thats on there now or the one that im going to put up in a minute |
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| 09:21.36 | MobyTurbo | !moron EvanCarroll |
| 09:21.36 | dpkg | EvanCarroll: You are moron #10 |
| 09:21.59 | EvanCarroll | ... thats not called for |
| 09:21.59 | simon | juhov : thanks for your help. |
| 09:22.08 | bob2 | can we not? |
| 09:22.08 | simon | bob2 : thanks |
| 09:22.42 | EvanCarroll | !moron MobyTurbo |
| 09:22.43 | dpkg | MobyTurbo: You are moron #18 |
| 09:23.06 | EvanCarroll | fight fire with fire =/ |
| 09:23.09 | bob2 | lovely |
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| 09:23.14 | bob2 | now you booth look like idiots |
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| 09:23.33 | MobyTurbo | bob2: I was just polling dpkg about what he thought of EvanCarroll |
| 09:23.42 | bob2 | whatever |
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| 09:23.53 | bob2 | it'd be awesome if everyone could stop being morons to each other |
| 09:24.08 | Borszczuk | how do I tell debian which ethernet card shall be eth0 (in case I have more in my machine? |
| 09:24.23 | bob2 | install ifrename |
| 09:24.26 | TolkienLuver | hey, |
| 09:24.28 | bob2 | if you're on woody, then you lose |
| 09:24.28 | jm_ | borscz;load modules in appropiate order or use ifrename |
| 09:24.37 | TolkienLuver | whenever i perform apt-get upgrade, the alsa-lib (1.0.7-1) unstable; urgency=high, keeps popping up |
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| 09:24.41 | TolkienLuver | then apt-get closes |
| 09:24.48 | TolkienLuver | what does that mean? |
| 09:25.07 | simon | is there any easy way to add a new user name to my system ? |
| 09:25.15 | juhov | simon: man adduser |
| 09:25.16 | MobyTurbo | simon: adduser |
| 09:25.18 | TolkienLuver | adduser |
| 09:25.18 | bob2 | "adduser blah" |
| 09:25.32 | MobyTurbo | GMTA |
| 09:25.50 | directhex|work | use a user friendly clicky adduser wrapper in $desktop_environment! |
| 09:26.18 | juhov | that would probably be harder than using adduser :) |
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| 09:26.23 | Agrajag- | anyone here happen to know what i have to do for "make modules_install" to make it install modules to somewhere other than /lib/modules/... ? |
| 09:26.24 | simon | thankyou everyone |
| 09:26.29 | directhex|work | juhov, always |
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| 09:26.37 | bob2 | Agrajag-: use make-kpkg |
| 09:27.09 | Agrajag- | bob2: this is for a diskless box, using an nfs share - i need to make the modules go somewhere else |
| 09:27.14 | Agrajag- | (the nfs share) |
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| 09:29.34 | Agrajag- | i did it a while ago but can't remember the command and google isn't helping too much |
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| 09:30.41 | jethro | wow |
| 09:30.45 | Borszczuk | Agrajag-: why you don't just build deb package of your kernel and install on your target box?\ |
| 09:31.10 | jethro | making this cd an iso on my disk fscking slows down my laptop to a point I wouldn't have imagined |
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| 09:32.50 | Agrajag- | Borszczuk: because the target box doesn't have a hard drive. |
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| 09:33.15 | Agrajag- | it's booting from this machine i've compiled it's kernel on |
| 09:33.45 | Agrajag- | think i've got it.. "modules modules_install INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/foo/bar" for anyone else who happens to want to know |
| 09:33.50 | TolkienLuver | whenever i perform apt-get upgrade, the alsa-lib (1.0.7-1) unstable; urgency=high, keeps popping up, what does this mean? |
| 09:34.15 | TolkienLuver | i cant perform apt-get if i cant get past that |
| 09:34.46 | MobyTurbo | jethro: maybe your CD and disk drive are master/slave? If they are on the same interface IDE devices serialize |
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| 09:36.02 | bob2 | TolkienLuver: blah |
| 09:36.08 | bob2 | don't install things you don't understand |
| 09:36.14 | bob2 | also, 'apt-get remove apt-listchanges' |
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| 09:36.29 | TolkienLuver | i only did the normal apt-get upgrade ? |
| 09:36.35 | bob2 | no, you didn't |
| 09:36.43 | bob2 | "someone" installed apt-listchanges |
| 09:37.01 | TolkienLuver | i freshed install debian couple of days ago |
| 09:37.08 | jethro | bob2: is apt-listchanges of no use ? I just installed it to try it |
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| 09:37.23 | bob2 | it's great |
| 09:37.34 | bob2 | but it seems to be confusing TolkienLuver |
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| 09:37.36 | jethro | ok |
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| 09:37.41 | TolkienLuver | yes. |
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| 09:37.57 | bob2 | all ones running sarge, anyway |
| 09:37.59 | TolkienLuver | i always believed in apt-get - update, upgrade, install, remove |
| 09:38.11 | TolkienLuver | never heard of apt-listchanges >_< |
| 09:38.36 | lobezno | is posible to launch totem with x11 output? |
| 09:38.38 | bob2 | awesome |
| 09:39.12 | Rebecca | hi hi, im wanting to download sarge via bittorrent. i followed the links on the debian site, but there are 15 cd isos on listed.. which ones do i need for a minimal debian install? |
| 09:39.21 | jethro | Rebecca: netinstall |
| 09:39.36 | jethro | Rebecca: I m not sure there is anytorrent for the netinst iso tho |
| 09:39.49 | Rebecca | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/torrents/i386/ |
| 09:39.57 | bob2 | the netinstall image is only 40MB, it's not worth a torrent |
| 09:39.59 | inetd | Rebecca: just download the netinstall..its not that big..so no need for torrent :) |
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| 09:40.09 | directhex|work | Rebecca, cd 1. al you _NEED_ is the 40mb ultraminimal cd really, though |
| 09:40.09 | r4zi3l | Hi |
| 09:40.17 | lobezno | is posible to launch totem with x11 output? |
| 09:40.25 | jethro | !tell lobezno about repeat |
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| 09:40.34 | bob2 | lobezno: how many people joined since you last asked? |
| 09:40.38 | Rebecca | jethro: i have netinstall here.. that's not what i asked about |
| 09:40.45 | lobezno | brr brbrbrbr |
| 09:40.49 | juhov | lobezno: man totem? totem --help? /usr/share/doc/totem? |
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| 09:41.00 | bob2 | idiot |
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| 09:41.28 | directhex|work | that was clever of him, i knew the answer |
| 09:41.31 | bob2 | Rebecca: for a minimal install, none of them, use a netinst image |
| 09:41.39 | bob2 | Rebecca: for a full install, all of them |
| 09:41.42 | r4zi3l | I have a question: how can I set http_proxy as environment variable for proxy in ipv6 (I mean, what's the syntax for the relative in ipv4 address:port???) |
| 09:41.45 | inetd | hey direct |
| 09:41.52 | bob2 | for something in between, it depends which cd has which packages you want |
| 09:41.58 | jethro | Rebecca: you asked for a minimal cd, and didn't mention you already had the netinst iso, so everyone answered netinst was what you needed, next time, provide more details, so you'll get a better answer |
| 09:42.05 | bob2 | r4zi3l: "use dns" is the obvious answer |
| 09:42.09 | jm_ | r4zi3l: something like http://[1234:...]:80/ I think |
| 09:42.10 | Rebecca | does cd1 provide X.org or Xf86? |
| 09:42.16 | jethro | !nickometer r4zi3l |
| 09:42.16 | dpkg | 'r4zi3l' is 99.220% lame, jethro |
| 09:42.18 | r4zi3l | in ipv6 |
| 09:42.19 | bob2 | r4zi3l: or http://[3ffe:55::]:80/ sort of thing |
| 09:42.25 | TheJay | lol jethro |
| 09:42.28 | jethro | Rebecca: xf86 |
| 09:42.29 | bob2 | Rebecca: x.org is not in Debian at all |
| 09:42.30 | TheJay | !nickometer TheJay |
| 09:42.32 | r4zi3l | i'll try |
| 09:42.35 | r4zi3l | thank you |
| 09:42.37 | bob2 | bah, stop it |
| 09:42.49 | Rebecca | ok |
| 09:42.49 | TheJay | [10:42:12] <dpkg> the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for TheJay is 0.000%, thejay |
| 09:42.52 | TheJay | I'm not lame :D |
| 09:42.58 | directhex|work | Rebecca, xfree86 4.3 with debian backports of xorg drivers |
| 09:43.00 | inetd | r4zi3l: if you got dns configured why put in an ip? |
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| 09:43.10 | Rebecca | alrighty :) |
| 09:43.10 | Rebecca | thanks :) |
| 09:43.14 | directhex|work | TheJay, your NICk isn't lame, you're lame in other ways |
| 09:43.18 | juhov | it just means your nick isn't lame :) |
| 09:43.19 | bob2 | gah |
| 09:43.20 | bob2 | stop it |
| 09:43.23 | TheJay | Oh damn :| |
| 09:43.34 | TheJay | Stop what bob2? |
| 09:43.42 | chugga | what is this netinstall? |
| 09:43.50 | bob2 | being idiotsa |
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| 09:44.01 | bob2 | chugga: it downloads all packages off a mirror |
| 09:44.03 | TheJay | Who? |
| 09:44.12 | TolkienLuver | bob2: have a break bob |
| 09:44.16 | inetd | chugga: installing pkgs via web/ftp |
| 09:44.16 | Rebecca | ok :) |
| 09:44.17 | TolkienLuver | >_< |
| 09:44.23 | TolkienLuver | you seem quite stress.. |
| 09:44.27 | TheJay | Totally... have a big break o_O |
| 09:44.34 | bob2 | yes, thanks for your amazingly useful advise |
| 09:44.37 | jethro | :) |
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| 09:46.05 | rue_mohr | dpkg find Arialn.ttf |
| 09:46.06 | r4zi3l | ok. it works. |
| 09:46.09 | r4zi3l | thank you all |
| 09:46.15 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Arialn.ttf' returned no results. |
| 09:46.19 | drac | Is there some meaning >_< o_O thingies? new regexps? |
| 09:46.54 | bob2 | it's a new era of annoying "emoticons" |
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| 09:47.03 | directhex|work | rue_mohr, apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 09:47.04 | inetd | drac: o_O small eye big eye :p |
| 09:47.07 | TolkienLuver | just smileys |
| 09:47.13 | drac | how lame. |
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| 09:48.34 | rue_mohr | dpkg find truetype |
| 09:48.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'truetype' (5 shown; 16 total): (/usr/share/m17n/truetype.fst) in text/m17n-db ;; (/usr/share/defoma/libhint-truetype.pl) in admin/defoma ;; (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/FDU/truetype.html) in doc/doc-linux-html ;; (/usr/share/doc/texmf/help/Catalogue/entries/truetype.html) in doc/tetex-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/mozilla-browser/enabling_truetype.html) in web/mozilla-browser. |
| 09:48.48 | AldeBaran_ | there is a "hack" to install xorg |
| 09:48.50 | TheJay | dpkg find a cave to hide in because they all spam you |
| 09:48.57 | inetd | anyone had weird font problems with firefox? |
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| 09:48.58 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'a cave to hide in because they all spam you' returned no results. |
| 09:49.06 | AldeBaran_ | bascially ubuntu comes with xorg and the debs work with debian |
| 09:49.07 | rue_mohr | what??? |
| 09:49.17 | rue_mohr | where do fonts come from????? |
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| 09:49.30 | directhex|work | !topicbadger AldeBaran_ |
| 09:49.31 | drac | AldeBaran_: ..and totally will screw entire package management. |
| 09:49.31 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that AldeBaran_ didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 09:49.42 | zuni_ | test |
| 09:49.54 | zuni_ | hi iris |
| 09:49.55 | directhex|work | no zuni_, you're not online anymore |
| 09:50.08 | inetd | ive installed msttcorefonts but i still get ugly fonts on firefox :p i think its bcoz of the font aliases |
| 09:50.19 | rue_mohr | dpkg find smbmount |
| 09:50.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'smbmount' (5 shown; 41 total): (/usr/bin/smbmount) in otherosfs/smbfs ;; (/usr/share/samba/swat/help/smbmount.8.html) in net/swat ;; (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/smbmount.8.html) in doc/samba-doc ;; (/usr/share/locale/tr/LC_MESSAGES/konq_smbmounterplugin.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-tr ;; (/usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/konq_smbmounterplugin.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-ja. |
| 09:50.53 | drac | rue_mohr: please do that in private with dpkg, or not at all. |
| 09:51.16 | zuni_ | check iris, greets to all open source programers |
| 09:51.19 | inetd | yer pick a private room :p |
| 09:51.33 | zuni_ | the wall is green |
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| 09:51.46 | zuni_ | hi steffen |
| 09:51.50 | zuni_ | hi micha |
| 09:52.05 | inetd | anyone heared about that browser bug ? IDN vuln? |
| 09:52.26 | webmind | it's not a bug |
| 09:52.43 | inetd | vuln? |
| 09:52.46 | michbeckberlin | hi zuni |
| 09:52.50 | webmind | it's just means the stupidity of user has yet again been underestimated |
| 09:53.03 | zuni_ | anyone wants to say something? |
| 09:53.36 | inetd | webmind: well its a big problem when it comes to ppl who shop online |
| 09:53.56 | bob2 | lord |
| 09:53.58 | inetd | webmind: did firefox work around work for you? |
| 09:53.59 | directhex|work | inetd, it was fixed in the head branch of mozilla within 12 hours |
| 09:54.14 | zuni_ | this i the OSP-course at the TU-berlin and we are checking a bot in this channel for a presentation |
| 09:54.17 | inetd | directhex|work: ahh k...thanks...so update firefox should do the trick yer? |
| 09:54.19 | webmind | inetd, firefox places the unicode char a few pixels lower here |
| 09:54.25 | zuni_ | hällo |
| 09:54.35 | webmind | inetd, which makes me suspisious |
| 09:54.43 | inetd | webmind: yer i heard..but something hard to notice |
| 09:54.43 | webmind | inetd, but yes.. it's a problem |
| 09:54.58 | webmind | how would you sugest it gets fixed ? |
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| 09:55.17 | directhex|work | inetd, you'd need to compile from cvs. |
| 09:55.26 | inetd | webmind: i think the temp work around was to disable idn ? |
| 09:55.37 | webmind | inetd, for temp.. yes.. |
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| 09:56.03 | Assid | when i install atlas3-3dnow.. it says that its not IEEE compliant |
| 09:56.04 | inetd | webmind: dunno what they did @ firefox...apparently its been fixed..according to direct |
| 09:56.16 | Assid | and it may give wrong results.. so whats the use of amd using these extensions |
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| 10:01.48 | possie | i want to execute a binary but i'm getting "bash: cannot execute binary" what can cause this? |
| 10:02.04 | Phated | Is the binary set +x? |
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| 10:02.27 | R1ck | what installer has support for a MegaRAID scsi card? |
| 10:02.31 | juhov | that would print Permission denied, woudln't it? |
| 10:02.52 | Phated | He can have perms to read it, but if bash can't execute it... <shrug> |
| 10:03.18 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.46 | r4zi3l | bye |
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| 10:04.52 | juhov | possie: maybe the binary is compiled for some other architecture that you're running. where did you get it? |
| 10:05.04 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:05.32 | voyd | !webmin |
| 10:05.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 10:05.47 | R1ck | how can I install debian on a MegaRAID scsi card? |
| 10:05.51 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 10:05.52 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 10:06.45 | kpanik_ | !iptables |
| 10:06.45 | dpkg | well, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.samba.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
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| 10:08.25 | drac | Hmm, i'm using currectly Firestarter on my desktop, and I don't think it supports IPV6 (ip6tables?). Is there something that will? |
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| 10:08.45 | simonrvn | yeh, ip6tables will |
| 10:09.02 | drac | No 'fancy' scripts for it? :) |
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| 10:09.29 | simonrvn | learn some shell scripting, then you'll have a fancy script |
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| 10:17.47 | otje | i don't understand how i can have load 1.4 and still 60% idle CPU |
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| 10:20.00 | Switched | otje, io? |
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| 10:24.58 | otje | yes, could be, where can i find some information on what 'load' exactly measures? |
| 10:25.25 | war- | Is there any SW windows or linux that can read (not a damaged DVD) but something is msessed with it, I cannot read the last file on the dvd. (no scratches) |
| 10:25.43 | Gathond | otje: load is the average number of processes in the ready queue |
| 10:26.08 | Gathond | otje: I dont have a link to an explanation though |
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| 10:28.04 | otje | Gathond: okay and that queue may not empty itself fast enough for CPU, IO, etc reasons |
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| 10:28.31 | Gathond | otje: yes, and it is over time, 1 5 and 15 minutes iirc |
| 10:28.53 | otje | Gathond okay, is there a way to check how busy IO operations are? |
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| 10:29.22 | Gathond | otje: I think 2.6 kernels provide that as part of CPU stats (ammount of CPU going to IP operations anyway) |
| 10:30.20 | valdyn_ | war-: some kind of copy protection? |
| 10:30.25 | Switched | otje, install the sysstat and iostat packages for the tools you need. |
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| 10:30.55 | war- | valdyn_: nope :0-\ - I think I used growisofs though |
| 10:31.23 | valdyn_ | war-: well then its a broken dvd |
| 10:31.26 | otje | Switched: tnx |
| 10:31.34 | Switched | otje, tools like sar, iostat, and vmstat can be useful for performance monitoring and trending. |
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| 10:38.40 | tyia | apt-get --purge remove package should completely wipe out a package, right? what can be the reason that conffiles don't get generated during reinstall |
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| 10:42.03 | Smurg | I want to reinstall Debian. I also want the packages which I downloaded using aptitude.Theyre in my /var/apt/cache..How do I put them on CD and install later using apt..I mean, any directory structure or anything? |
| 10:44.09 | Smurg | Hello ? |
| 10:44.51 | bob2 | indeed |
| 10:44.57 | bob2 | it's kinda pointless |
| 10:45.15 | sepski | Smurg, just burn them out to cd, and put them back into /var/apt/cache after you reinstalled then you can install them and dont have to dl them again ( i think ) |
| 10:45.16 | bob2 | but put them in a dir and run 'dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages' and burn it all |
| 10:46.18 | Smurg | bob2 : exact syntax ? |
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| 10:46.24 | bob2 | yes |
| 10:46.36 | Smurg | sepski : Hey, maybe youre right too! |
| 10:47.18 | jm_ | or use apt-zip |
| 10:47.26 | juhov | I'm curious. why do you need to reinstall debian? |
| 10:47.34 | sepski | Smurg, bob2's way would give you a repo you could install from, my way you still use the regular repositorys, but the file is in cache so it shoudnt have to dl again (again i think) |
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| 10:48.22 | Smurg | sepski : Yes youre right, but what if there is a log somewhere that apt uses that tells it the filenames in cache? Ok im stupid..but still |
| 10:48.51 | Smurg | juhov : I need to repartion my disk. |
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| 10:49.05 | juhov | ah |
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| 10:50.51 | Smurg | How do I burn using Linux ? |
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| 10:51.06 | piem | Smurg: try k3b |
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| 10:53.26 | Bangers | why when I apt-get remove apache2, then installed apache |
| 10:53.37 | Bangers | isnt apache2 directories removed? ie. /etc/apache2, and also the init.d script etc... |
| 10:53.48 | bob2 | because you didn't purge it |
| 10:53.49 | sepski | Bangers, apt-get --purge remove package |
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| 10:53.57 | MobyTurbo | Bangers: apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 10:54.02 | kingk | how do I set up dual monitors. I tried X -configure, but there were some error messages |
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| 10:54.48 | Bangers | thanks. |
| 10:55.23 | Bangers | Now that I already 'removed' it without purging it |
| 10:55.29 | Bangers | do i have to install it again, then purge? |
| 10:55.35 | juhov | dpkg -P package |
| 10:55.35 | dpkg | i don't know, juhov |
| 10:55.50 | Bangers | juhov, me? |
| 10:55.50 | jm_ | Bangers: no, read the FAQ |
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| 10:55.55 | juhov | bangers: yeah |
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| 10:57.21 | Bangers | jm_, cant find my question in the faq |
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| 10:57.44 | Bangers | juhov, dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache2 which isn't installed. |
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| 10:58.03 | alejandro_ | Bangers, install it again and purge it |
| 10:58.16 | bruno | Is anyone packaging eclipse 3.0 for debian ? |
| 10:58.18 | Noid | upon booting, instead of loading the usual stuff (scripts, gnome), one of my debians prompts a (none) login: and / is mounted read only... if i run runlevel i get "2 6" as a result, what must I look for to solve this? |
| 10:58.29 | alejandro_ | Bangers, apt-get install apache2 && apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 10:58.30 | bruno | Is anyone packaging php 5 for debian ? |
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| 10:58.33 | wnorrix | where can i find the emacs-url package |
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| 10:58.48 | alejandro_ | google |
| 10:58.50 | Bangers | alejandro_, I just did that...but the folders and start scripts still exists.... |
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| 10:59.00 | wnorrix | its suppose to be there in debian |
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| 10:59.08 | wnorrix | i just cant find where ? :( |
| 10:59.11 | manchot | how to make debian auto mount and umount usb drivers? |
| 10:59.14 | alejandro_ | Bangers, did you purge them? |
| 10:59.23 | jm_ | Bangers: should I prove you wrong? |
| 10:59.27 | manchot | s/drivers/drive |
| 10:59.43 | Bangers | yes, mp:~# apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 10:59.43 | Bangers | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 10:59.44 | jm_ | manchot: hotplug make it easy |
| 10:59.55 | Bangers | s -ltr /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 10:59.56 | Bangers | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2902 Nov 10 22:00 /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 11:00.03 | manchot | jm_: I have it installed, but it seems not working. |
| 11:00.10 | alejandro_ | wierd |
| 11:00.12 | jm_ | manchot: well it won't do it just like that |
| 11:00.18 | R | Hello, I got some trouble getting my system to work, it has a Intel D915GAV mainbord (ICH6) and I use a (P)ATA harddisk (I guess SATA would have been better, but what's done is done). The system works pretty well with a standard debian kernel, but not with a kernel I compile... anyone happen to have a deceent kernel config for this board (or knows where I could find the 2.4.18 kernel config of debian that comes with the installation)? |
| 11:00.25 | R | bruno: www.dotdeb.org |
| 11:00.53 | jm_ | Bangers: that file is not in package called apache2 |
| 11:01.01 | rebecca_ | what is the best way stop sarge netinstall from installing a predefined package set (eg fileserver, webserver), and to take over and manually install packages from that point? |
| 11:01.03 | manchot | jm_: then how to make it do it? |
| 11:01.18 | PerfDave | rebecca_: Don't tell it to install a predefined package set. |
| 11:01.41 | rebecca_ | PerfDave: ok :) |
| 11:01.53 | alejandro_ | LOL |
| 11:01.58 | jm_ | manchot: hotplug can run your own scripts when you plug-in the USB drive |
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| 11:02.51 | JYL57 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.20 | g8se | Does anyone know the setting to make nautilus manage the desktop? I've managed to prevent it, now I can't get it back. |
| 11:03.37 | alejandro_ | JYL57, google |
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| 11:07.53 | TheTom | anyone have a clue what i have to do to be able to have something executed when a certain window is active? does it necessarily have to involve my window manager? |
| 11:08.18 | chugga | TheTom, if you dont use xdm, gdm etc just edit .xinitrc |
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| 11:08.28 | chugga | otherwise im told Xsession but that doesnt work.. :-/ |
| 11:09.02 | g8se | chugga: I don't think that's what TheTom is after |
| 11:09.18 | TheTom | it's not. |
| 11:09.48 | g8se | TheTom: I would suspect it would be a very window manager specific issue |
| 11:10.01 | TheTom | g8se: i guess so. |
| 11:10.16 | g8se | TheTom: but I don't know of any window managers that would do that (not that I'm very familiar with any of them) |
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| 11:10.30 | Thumann | hi.. while trying to compile a module i get this error.. QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 11:10.34 | Thumann | Kernel 2.6.10 |
| 11:10.43 | bob2 | !+qm_modules |
| 11:10.45 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 11:10.51 | Gathond | Thumann: have you installed module-init-tools? |
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| 11:11.08 | Thumann | Gathond: well.. i can't... |
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| 11:11.22 | Thumann | if i do apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 11:11.31 | Thumann | there is no such package.. |
| 11:11.32 | TheTom | nah. not me either. i'm using wmi, and if any wm can do it, it's probably it. just not to many awake people in #wmi right now :/ . the thing is that i want to automatically change kbd layout when i use vim |
| 11:11.46 | Gathond | Thumann: then you cannot load modules under 2.6 kernels either |
| 11:11.50 | Thumann | if i download the deb... and install it.. it wants to uninstall modutils |
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| 11:12.01 | Thumann | and modconf etc.. |
| 11:12.05 | jm_ | Thumann: yes, they conflict |
| 11:12.21 | pinkie | can someone help me out with bug 246273, the error when you cant ssh from a box |
| 11:12.23 | Thumann | .. also modconf? |
| 11:13.16 | drac | Thumann: Hmm, I have them both installed at same time without conflicts. |
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| 11:13.20 | Thumann | :S |
| 11:13.27 | jm_ | no, it will install newer version of modconf with module-init-tools |
| 11:13.32 | Thumann | drac: what deb source are you using? |
| 11:13.39 | Thumann | jm_ ooh |
| 11:14.13 | petemc | pinkie: does the fix colin watson suggested in that bug report not work? |
| 11:14.27 | pinkie | well, the suggestion was to upgrade the makedev |
| 11:14.32 | chugga | what do i apt-get for a firewall |
| 11:14.40 | pinkie | to at least 2.3.1-69, and i have 2.3.1-75 now |
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| 11:14.44 | daxxar | Hm. My server only allows me to type my password wrong once when SSHing to it using PuTTY (I get "No authentication methods left to try" or it just closes the session). But SSHing to other machines using the same putty, with same settings, allows me to type it wrong 3 times, or so. |
| 11:14.56 | daxxar | Anyone know what setting on my sshd or pam or something that could cause this behaviour? |
| 11:14.56 | Thumann | jm_: what apt source are you using? |
| 11:15.05 | daxxar | SSHing using openssh from another machine yields no problems. |
| 11:15.16 | Gathond | daxxar: the number of attempts would be a setting in the server, not the client |
| 11:15.21 | g8se | chugga: firestarter is a good choice, for a desktop box |
| 11:15.45 | pinkie | but the problem persists still |
| 11:15.50 | daxxar | Gathond: Yes. But it does not occur using other clients. But using the same client when connecting to another host gives me more attempts. |
| 11:16.01 | jm_ | Thumann: Sarge |
| 11:16.15 | Thumann | i'm running sarge too.. |
| 11:16.33 | Thumann | but a apt-cache search module-init-tools reveals nothing |
| 11:16.36 | chugga | g8se, bless |
| 11:17.01 | jm_ | it should, it's in main |
| 11:17.06 | jm_ | Thumann: fix your sources.list |
| 11:17.16 | daxxar | PuTTY from my workstation -> my servers external IP = one attempt |
| 11:17.31 | daxxar | OpenSSH from anoter external machine -> my servers external IP = multiple attempts |
| 11:17.49 | daxxar | PuTTY from my workstation -> another external machine = multiple attempts |
| 11:17.51 | daxxar | Do you see, Gathond? |
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| 11:18.51 | Gathond | daxxar: what about openSSH from your mashine -> your servers external IP ? |
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| 11:19.10 | chugga | g8se, how do i run that as root .. it says cant open display |
| 11:19.19 | Gathond | daxxar: but it might be your sshd switches scheme for it during the auth process |
| 11:19.35 | g8se | pinkie: upgrading makedev might not fix the problem, as the permissions on the /dev/tty file might not have been changed. Check the permissions on /dev/tty, and see if altering them helps |
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| 11:20.19 | g8se | chugga: it's an X11 program, need x installed. That's why its good for desktop, not so good for console only box |
| 11:20.42 | chugga | g8se, yes, i mean im running x as another user |
| 11:20.48 | pinkie | ok, i have some other boxes which work correctly, i'll tar those tty* |
| 11:20.55 | pinkie | thanks |
| 11:21.08 | daxxar | Gathond: Is there openssh for win32 available? |
| 11:21.20 | Gathond | daxxar: no idea |
| 11:21.37 | daxxar | http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/ =) |
| 11:21.39 | daxxar | Let me try |
| 11:21.44 | g8se | chugga: use sudo to run it |
| 11:21.48 | directhex|work | not without mingw/cygwin |
| 11:21.55 | chugga | g8se, yeh.. aand it gives me that display error |
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| 11:22.29 | juhov | chugga: install sux |
| 11:22.46 | chugga | is that a joke? |
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| 11:22.49 | juhov | no :) |
| 11:22.51 | chugga | ok |
| 11:22.52 | g8se | chugga: I occasionally have problems where I can't run any X programs, maybe that has happened to you. (For me login out and in again gets me going) |
| 11:23.22 | Thumann | \o/ |
| 11:23.24 | Thumann | :D |
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| 11:23.36 | Thumann | compiling... |
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| 11:26.37 | g8se | chugga: Is there a difference between the outputs of '$ xauth list' and '$ sudo xauth list' |
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| 11:27.25 | daxxar | Gathond, openssh from this machine allows for multiple tries :O |
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| 11:27.41 | chugga | g8se, no worries, sux did the trick. about this firestarter, where do i get a set of decent defaults |
| 11:28.05 | g8se | chugga: it has a wizard you can run |
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| 11:28.43 | chugga | g8se, hmm, the wizard isnt of much use for setting rules |
| 11:29.02 | g8se | chugga: I don't understand, why not? |
| 11:29.37 | chugga | g8se, i mean all it asks for is the network interface and whether you wanna share the connection |
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| 11:30.17 | g8se | chugga: Ok, once that is done, you can go to the 'Policy' tab, and add things that you want to allow in |
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| 11:30.51 | g8se | chugga: Or you can watch the 'events' tab for things that get blocked, and then right click on them to get a menu that allows you to let them in |
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| 11:34.56 | giovanni | guys what is this error ? make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 (compiling error) |
| 11:34.59 | Overand_ | how can i tell what driver x is currently using? |
| 11:35.04 | Overand_ | ack |
| 11:35.45 | daxxar | Gathond, no idea? |
| 11:35.51 | Spark | giovanni: it means make encountered a compile error while recursively installing a piece of software |
| 11:36.15 | daxxar | It's not directly a problem with PuTTy, that's why I'm asking here. It's a problem with PuTTY and *my* sshd, but not with PuTTY and anyone elses sshd. :O |
| 11:36.17 | kalila | what do you guys think of slashdot.org |
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| 11:36.39 | Spark | low signal to noise ratio |
| 11:36.51 | daxxar | the error is, quote: |
| 11:36.52 | daxxar | Access denied |
| 11:36.52 | daxxar | No supported authentication methods left to try! |
| 11:36.58 | Gathond | daxxar: daxxar not any specific idea no |
| 11:37.20 | planckton | I'm here in school I have a set of boxes. One being the master box. how would I take care that all are synced? |
| 11:37.25 | planckton | using rsync or something? |
| 11:37.31 | daxxar | http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/wishlist/kbdint-failure.html |
| 11:37.36 | daxxar | Aha. I think that's my problem. :P |
| 11:37.39 | Gathond | daxxar: except that your server must use some authentication scheme that your putty apparently does not support when it is openSSH you use |
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| 11:37.56 | daxxar | Seems it's a putty bug. :) |
| 11:40.40 | sepski | planckton, use rsync of periodic sync is ok, if you need sync at all times, use some distributed network file system |
| 11:40.48 | daxxar | Ah. Updating PuTTY to latest dev. snapshot fixed it. Sorry for this. =) |
| 11:41.02 | planckton | sepski, nah I think of syncing once a week or so |
| 11:41.05 | daxxar | Was a PuTTY problem after all. Probably only works on other machines because they do not prefer keyboard-interactive auth. |
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| 11:41.10 | daxxar | Thanks Gathond, for your time. |
| 11:41.15 | sepski | planckton, that's rsync definiftiftly |
| 11:41.18 | w1tt | !seen golgo* |
| 11:41.19 | dpkg | w1tt: i haven't seen 'golgo*' |
| 11:41.19 | jethro | nobody wants kbdint auth |
| 11:41.23 | planckton | sepski, and using DD over network for 40gigs of data takes 1h ... for 20 boxes that'S WAY too much time |
| 11:41.34 | planckton | sepski, do I need to init 1 on master and client boxes? |
| 11:41.41 | planckton | sepski, remind you I want to mirror / |
| 11:41.53 | jethro | planckton: dump | nc |
| 11:42.01 | jethro | err sepski even |
| 11:42.11 | jethro | err planckton |
| 11:42.20 | planckton | dump? |
| 11:42.31 | jethro | man dump |
| 11:42.59 | jethro | planckton: from dump&restore tools |
| 11:43.00 | sepski | planckton, you might need to apt-get install dump firsth tho |
| 11:43.31 | planckton | jethro, that works only on ext2 :/ |
| 11:43.36 | planckton | at least is sais |
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| 11:43.37 | sepski | jethro, woudnt that take a lot more bandwith then a rsync ? |
| 11:43.47 | planckton | sepski, that's what I was thinking too |
| 11:44.08 | jethro | I read dd over network, thought dump | nc, sorry I jumped in your conversation |
| 11:44.44 | planckton | I used dd when I was trashing the previous windows partion in favor of a 3 partition system. Win,spare,linux. |
| 11:45.06 | planckton | sepski, so On the master system I install an rsync Server I guess? |
| 11:45.21 | petemc | an hour to dd 40gig over a network isnt bad |
| 11:45.27 | sepski | planckton, i just install rsync on all boxes, then run it with ssh |
| 11:45.29 | Maxzorin123 | goodmorrow |
| 11:45.48 | planckton | sepski, okay. but do I need to care about files that are in use? |
| 11:45.50 | sepski | planckton, you dont realy _need_ an rsync server running at all times if you init if from ssh |
| 11:46.00 | TolkienLuver | does debian use rpm packages? |
| 11:46.10 | directhex|work | TolkienLuver, erm... no |
| 11:46.12 | planckton | sepski, well if I'd place it into ident. So it wouldn't run all the time. |
| 11:46.15 | jethro | TolkienLuver: it can use rpm but deb is the prefered format |
| 11:46.23 | directhex|work | TolkienLuver, though you can convert rpm to better formats with alien |
| 11:46.35 | planckton | sepski, what is more importatnt to me is if I have to care about running programs or if rsync will take care of those |
| 11:46.43 | TolkienLuver | hmm.. imma trying to install zlib, however rpm isnt available, where can i learn more about alien? |
| 11:46.47 | piem | TolkienLuver: converting is probably not what you want to do though |
| 11:46.49 | TolkienLuver | or how do i get zlib running first? |
| 11:46.53 | sepski | planckton, the difference is initd/daemon uses rsync protocol, ssh uses rsync over ssh |
| 11:46.55 | TolkienLuver | certainly if debian doesnt like rpm |
| 11:47.09 | directhex|work | !info zlib1g |
| 11:47.12 | TolkienLuver | !info zlib1g |
| 11:47.14 | dpkg | zlib1g: (compression library - runtime), section libs, is required. Version: 1:1.2.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 11:47.20 | TolkienLuver | woops |
| 11:47.36 | TolkienLuver | zlib1g is already the newest version. |
| 11:47.38 | piem | TolkienLuver: you have to learn a bit about apt: try 'apt-cache search zlib' |
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| 11:47.43 | sepski | planckton, as any other program if the file can't be read it wont be copied, so if you are doing database stuff, wither dump the db to files before rsync or stop the db |
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| 11:48.11 | piem | TolkienLuver: and you will probably want to use 'apt-get install <something>' soon |
| 11:48.14 | planckton | sepski, so init 1 would be appropriet? huh? |
| 11:48.22 | TolkienLuver | piem: yea i guess. yum has been my favourite tool since fedora |
| 11:48.35 | jethro | !yum |
| 11:48.38 | piem | TolkienLuver: meet apt, it will become your friend :) |
| 11:48.41 | sepski | planckton, i dont know your system, i'd never init1 on mine, i'd just etc/init.d/service sstop |
| 11:48.41 | TolkienLuver | apt-get seems alittle slugish |
| 11:48.42 | OsRo | como puedo exportar una video .avi a .mpeg |
| 11:48.42 | TolkienLuver | lol |
| 11:48.43 | OsRo | ? |
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| 11:48.53 | directhex|work | TolkienLuver, yum is a tool for updating yellow dog linux, and it's a pale imitation of apt for a bad package management system (rpm) |
| 11:49.14 | TolkienLuver | hm. |
| 11:49.15 | planckton | sepski, yea but what services do I need to take care of? only DB? |
| 11:49.16 | TolkienLuver | understood. |
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| 11:49.43 | OsRo | sorry, |
| 11:49.44 | sepski | planckton, we dont know what your running, i dont stop databases, i just dump them to textfiles and backup that |
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| 11:50.00 | directhex|work | TolkienLuver, plus, normal debian repositories have about 20,000 packages, with complete dependancy info, whcih is why it's not 101% snappy to install things. |
| 11:50.09 | planckton | sepski, okay |
| 11:50.10 | kalila | does capturing packets in promiscuous mode using something like etherereal in a network prevent them from reaching their destinations? |
| 11:50.17 | planckton | I'm going to try that. |
| 11:50.20 | TolkienLuver | ah. |
| 11:50.25 | OsRo | what software export video .avi to .mpg ? |
| 11:50.32 | g8se | kalila: no |
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| 11:50.53 | sepski | TolkienLuver, i was a rh user before.. (but i dont rpm-rebuilddb no more) apt-get is the best thing since sliced bread! |
| 11:50.56 | giovanni | on irc.debian.org there is an italian channel? |
| 11:51.05 | Glitch_Master | I know this isn't exactly the place to ask, but I'm having a problem with timidity and I thought somebody might have experienced and overcome this particular problem. |
| 11:51.08 | piem | OsRo: i only know of mencoder |
| 11:51.31 | piem | OsRo: http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 11:51.32 | sepski | !italian |
| 11:51.32 | dpkg | well, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 11:51.41 | sepski | if a freenode channel is good enoughf |
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| 11:51.56 | OsRo | piem: thanks i see your link |
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| 11:52.03 | TolkienLuver | sepski: that would be be the best quote for debian in this week i've ever seen. |
| 11:52.09 | OsRo | sorry, for my english :-) |
| 11:52.09 | TolkienLuver | for aptget* |
| 11:52.11 | TolkienLuver | =x |
| 11:52.16 | TolkienLuver | :) |
| 11:52.33 | piem | OsRo: don't worry about your englus ;) |
| 11:52.36 | sepski | TolkienLuver, well it rocks so it deserves all the praise it can get :) |
| 11:52.48 | piem | Osro: see how mine is broken |
| 11:53.03 | TolkienLuver | well ever since i met debian, i immediately took down all my redhat/fedora/mandrake boxes |
| 11:53.03 | TolkienLuver | lol |
| 11:53.05 | TolkienLuver | :P |
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| 11:53.35 | piem | TolkienLuver: spread the word, i wish that happened earlier to me :) |
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| 11:54.16 | sepski | TolkienLuver, im in the prosess of converting, i still have 2 boxes left, but the majority runs debian now |
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| 11:54.45 | flankk | any recommendations on an ftp client that can recursively upload directories? |
| 11:55.04 | flankk | lftp doesn't seem to create directories on the fly.. |
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| 11:55.17 | kpanik_ | sepski: what's so good in sliced bread? :) |
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| 11:56.01 | sepski | kpanik_, less cumbes then breaking it with your fingers |
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| 11:56.47 | Coax | help... my mplayer wont play URL's, it just says "Option stream url: This URL doesn't have a hostname part." |
| 11:56.53 | raz_ | does anyone knows how to configure the sound kernel options to make work a SB audigy gamer properly ? |
| 11:57.00 | lu | halo, halo... how to umount /cdrom if it says busy and no processes tied to it found with ps aux | grep cdrom? |
| 11:57.07 | SlayerXP | lu: lsod |
| 11:57.08 | SlayerXP | err |
| 11:57.10 | SlayerXP | lu: lsof |
| 11:57.15 | raz_ | yup |
| 11:57.23 | directhex|work | lu, lsof |
| 11:57.24 | lu | did lsof | grep cdrom and to no avail |
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| 11:57.36 | raz_ | leave the cdrom directory |
| 11:57.43 | lu | no in cdrom dir |
| 11:57.46 | petemc | Coax: show us an example url |
| 11:57.48 | lu | not in sorry |
| 11:57.49 | raz_ | leave it. |
| 11:57.57 | raz_ | if u dont leave it.. ull never umount it |
| 11:58.03 | raz_ | on each program. |
| 11:58.16 | Coax | http://192.168.16.8:80/storage/auto/Escenic/tva5023.19429926wmv?MSWMExt=.asf |
| 11:58.23 | sepski | lu use lsof /cdrom |
| 11:58.26 | lu | arrgh how to do install second cd of return to castle wolfenstein then, aaah |
| 11:58.36 | raz_ | : ) |
| 11:58.47 | raz_ | make iso :D |
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| 11:59.05 | lu | iso, please explain |
| 11:59.27 | petemc | Coax: well, it should play .asf or .wmv with the right codecs, but that may not be a direct link to a file |
| 11:59.32 | gothtec | Kommer dere til å referere meg til en norsk irc-kanal om jeg snakker norsk her? |
| 11:59.36 | dawg | you should be able to umount it fine |
| 11:59.41 | raz_ | mh.. perhaps someone there could help you... i dont remember how to create iso. |
| 11:59.46 | raz_ | i just know mount it. |
| 12:00.03 | raz_ | i got problm with my krnl.. sry... but i work on it since 7am. :( |
| 12:00.27 | lu | kernel, compilation is very tenacious |
| 12:00.40 | gothtec | heh |
| 12:00.43 | raz_ | lu, if you leave the /cdrom/ directory... im sure u could umount ur cdrom... |
| 12:00.49 | raz_ | this is strange u cant. |
| 12:00.51 | Coax | petemc: thats just one of menny url i have try'ed it wont play mp3 streams from shoutcast as well... |
| 12:00.59 | Glitch_Master | lu: Is this a Windows game installation disc? |
| 12:01.02 | gothtec | Nobody telling me to go to #debian-no or something for norwegian. |
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| 12:01.07 | gothtec | Yeah, I'm bored. |
| 12:01.32 | lu | i'm not in it bro, i got a whole list either lsof | grep cdrom or ps aux | grep cdrom |
| 12:01.56 | chugga | Goth whats the topic |
| 12:01.56 | lu | the only thing going is wine |
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| 12:02.17 | kingk | I am trying to set up multiple monitors. Is there a debian specific support page. I am using HOWTOS on linux docs and I tried the following with no output: XFree86 -scanpci |
| 12:02.23 | gothtec | chugga: measuring rotation speed with a tachometer |
| 12:02.23 | Glitch_Master | lu: WINE and a bunch of other background processes that you don't see. |
| 12:02.49 | chugga | gothec, ok |
| 12:03.00 | chugga | goth, how does it work? |
| 12:03.06 | raz_ | does anyone knows how to configure the sound kernel options to make work a SB audigy gamer properly ? |
| 12:03.11 | gothtec | and now my laptop is running out of battery.. splendid :/ |
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| 12:03.24 | dawg | lu, so lsof /cdrom gives *nothing* ? |
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| 12:03.32 | sepski | gothtec, us norwegians are good in english it's not nessecary |
| 12:03.42 | sepski | :)) |
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| 12:04.06 | gothtec | chugga: it's a digital one. it just sends a hundred pulses for every lap |
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| 12:04.28 | sepski | lu: its a gentoo site, but the technique is usable iguess http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_games_in_winex_without_switching_CDs_(through_image_mounting) |
| 12:04.45 | chugga | goth, can you use that to measure the speed of light |
| 12:04.47 | gothtec | sepski: i've seen lots of examples of bad english from norwegians. you should see the project report the guy next to me is writing. yes, guy next to me, i am critisizing your english |
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| 12:05.15 | lu | yes nothing |
| 12:05.16 | sepski | gothtec, yes i write to fast myself, but thats more typos then now knowing what to write |
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| 12:05.27 | sepski | lol |
| 12:05.31 | gothtec | chugga: since anything going by the speed of light is probably not travelling in circles, nor has the physical mass to run a tachometer... no, i don't think so |
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| 12:05.47 | gothtec | sepski: excellent place for a typo |
| 12:05.48 | valdyn_ | lu: i use this method to install multi-cd games: "cat /dev/cdrom > cd1.iso" etc, then mount -o loop each of them |
| 12:06.06 | chugga | gothtec, no man, you use a wheel and the wheel spins at a known speed and it blocks of the beam of light at regular intervals |
| 12:06.24 | lu | thankyou valdyn, debian rocks |
| 12:06.40 | kingk | would #XFree86 -scanpci be the same as $lspci |
| 12:06.40 | gothtec | chugga: that requires a whole bunch of other stuff though |
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| 12:06.50 | kingk | what is lspci for AGP? |
| 12:06.52 | chugga | gothtec, true. but its really cool |
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| 12:07.04 | lu | hmm maybe lspci -v |
| 12:07.09 | lu | | grep agp |
| 12:07.10 | valdyn_ | kingk: agp is just a special pci slot, so lspci |
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| 12:07.25 | abrocadabro | hi, how do i define intenet zone in shorewall ? |
| 12:07.32 | gothtec | aaaand we're at 2% battery capacity. i'm going for a proper shutdown.. so.. cu guys later |
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| 12:07.42 | valdyn_ | abrocadabro: use the default? |
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| 12:07.45 | lu | chao gothtec |
| 12:07.49 | sepski | abrocadabro, thats the net zone |
| 12:07.57 | chugga | kids these days.. |
| 12:08.12 | kingk | my agp card isn't showing up when I do lspci. A new pci vid card was added |
| 12:08.13 | PerfDave | When I'm accessing mail over IMAPS in mutt, and I get "Mailbox vulnerable - directory /var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection", is it talking about my local mail folder, or the remote one? Is there any way I can suppress the warning, since my local mailbox is set up to the Debian default and my remote one I can't change? |
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| 12:08.49 | valdyn_ | kingk: then its not properly plugged in or its broken |
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| 12:08.51 | abrocadabro | sepski: but how do i define it? i have another zone which is local and i defined it as 150.203.233.0/24, what about the net zone? |
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| 12:09.28 | sepski | abrocadabro, zone file defines your zones, interfaces files map interfaces to zones, policy say how zones can comunicate, and rules are explixit rules |
| 12:10.07 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 12:10.08 | sepski | abrocadabro, and unless you have more then 1 ip range on eatch interface _dont_ touch the hosts file and you dont need to define the ip's |
| 12:10.21 | kingk | valdyn, I better look for in some more then, cause it isn't broken or unpligged |
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| 12:10.41 | valdyn_ | kingk: yea i guess you just oversaw it |
| 12:10.59 | sepski | abrocadabro, and www.shorewall.net explaines all this a lot betten then I |
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| 12:11.09 | salsaman_ | hi quick question, after i add a new source to /etc/apt/sources.list what must i run to update the apt-cache ? |
| 12:11.19 | sepski | apt-get update |
| 12:11.25 | salsaman_ | thanks |
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| 12:11.28 | ideafix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:11.49 | kingk | valdyn, or maybe I need to make a change in BIOS? I have an AGP bridge but it doesn't say vid card or ati |
| 12:11.57 | abrocadabro | sepski: i have a server with public ip and have a group of hosts behind it, and i intend to make a rule which accpets all connections between the internet and all my hosts behind my server, how many zones do i need to define to do that? |
| 12:12.18 | kingk | valdyn_, ALso it the AGP isn't number 1 |
| 12:12.26 | valdyn_ | kingk: everyone having agp has an agp bridge, maybe some bios enable you to disable agp, most certainly do not |
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| 12:13.09 | valdyn_ | kingk: maybe #flood your lspci |
| 12:13.10 | sepski | abrocadabro, 2 net (internet) and loc (localnetwork) and unless you have more then 1 public ip, you need to do forwarding based on ports, |
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| 12:13.38 | kingk | valdyn_, so I will have the agp brigde and the agp card itself when I list pci? |
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| 12:13.51 | abrocadabro | sepski: ok, the local zone is 150.203.233.0/24, what about the net zone? |
| 12:14.14 | valdyn_ | kingk: yes |
| 12:14.22 | sepski | dont define ip's just assigne interfaces to the zones |
| 12:14.51 | sepski | abrocadabro, and your local zone sounds a lot like public ip's is that correct ? |
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| 12:14.53 | kpanik_ | kingk: u should have a VGA controller and a AGP/PCI bridge imho |
| 12:15.25 | kingk | can you guys check out the lspci output on #flood |
| 12:15.28 | abrocadabro | sepski: yes they are, but they are not accessiable from outside the network |
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| 12:15.44 | kingk | Is there my card there. I was using the AGP before I installed the new pci |
| 12:16.03 | ideafix | how do i know if im using ALSA or OSS ? |
| 12:16.04 | takatumi | ideafix: the linux logo? |
| 12:16.12 | sepski | abrocadabro, well look in the interfaces file there you assign zonenames to the interfaces assign net to the interface connected to internet, and loc to the other. |
| 12:16.32 | ideafix | some one already told me it was linus during a trip to the zoo |
| 12:16.33 | valdyn_ | kingk: the second entry seems to be your agp bridge |
| 12:16.46 | takatumi | ideafix: lsmod - modules with snd-* are ALSA |
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| 12:16.58 | sepski | abrocadabro, and as i said the tutorials on www.shorewall.net gives all this step by step |
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| 12:17.26 | kingk | valdyn_, But the agp vid card itself isn't there |
| 12:17.37 | valdyn_ | kingk: that radeon is onboard? |
| 12:17.41 | abrocadabro | sepski: thanks, i have been reading the tuts from shorewall, i will have a close look at them |
| 12:17.51 | sepski | abrocadabro, assigning ip |
| 12:17.59 | sepski | s just makes it dificult |
| 12:18.13 | kingk | valdyn_, Yep, thats the new one I installed, and before I was using agp card which is still installed with another monitor plugged into it |
| 12:18.38 | ideafix | Module Size Used by |
| 12:18.38 | ideafix | snd_pcm_oss 57896 0 |
| 12:18.38 | ideafix | snd_mixer_oss 19200 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 12:18.38 | ideafix | snd_seq 53008 1 |
| 12:18.38 | ideafix | snd_seq_device 8716 1 snd_seq |
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| 12:18.55 | ideafix | sorry |
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| 12:19.10 | abrocadabro | sepski: if i don't assign ip, how does the firewall know which zone is which and what hosts are inside which zone? |
| 12:19.15 | ideafix | its strange because i though i was using ALSA |
| 12:19.30 | sepski | by interface |
| 12:19.37 | TolkienLuver | are there any commands to ensure my system synchronises with my preferred ntp servers? |
| 12:19.39 | sepski | as you assign them in the interfaces file |
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| 12:20.07 | valdyn_ | kingk: all gfx interfaces should start w/ VGA compatible controller: |
| 12:20.09 | sepski | abrocadabro, if you need more then 1 ip series on eatch interface you can do that with the hosts file, but few need or use that, it's often a lot easier to just add one more interface |
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| 12:20.33 | takatumi | ideafix: you are. |
| 12:20.35 | valdyn_ | kingk: look into your bios and if your card is really properly plugged in |
| 12:20.55 | ideafix | im using ALSA ? |
| 12:21.26 | ideafix | takatumi: ? |
| 12:21.39 | kingk | valdyn_, Yeah, I better look in the bios to see whats happenning there |
| 12:21.45 | ideafix | why im not using ALSA ? |
| 12:21.49 | takatumi | ideafix: yes, the oss modules you pasted are ALSA OSS emulation ones |
| 12:21.56 | ideafix | i used ALSA on other distros |
| 12:22.04 | sepski | abrocadabro, your debian need ofcouse the ip's in it's network config but that's compleatly unrelated to shorewall |
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| 12:22.12 | ideafix | emulation ? |
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| 12:22.33 | ideafix | emulation sucks right ? |
| 12:22.52 | ideafix | it slows preformance doesnt it ? |
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| 12:23.41 | takatumi | ideafix: http://www.alsa-project.org/~iwai/OSS-Emulation.html |
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| 12:24.01 | valdyn_ | ideafix: no, not at all |
| 12:24.05 | kpanik_ | what is the command in irssi to paste the result of a cmd in the current chan ? |
| 12:24.18 | ideafix | i mean generaly if something is emulated has opsed to nativly suported that degrads preformace |
| 12:24.24 | dystopia^ | kpanik_: /exec -o |
| 12:24.26 | valdyn_ | ideafix: NO |
| 12:24.34 | ideafix | ok if you say so |
| 12:24.35 | kingk | kpanik_, just copy and paste |
| 12:24.36 | kpanik_ | dystopia^: ty |
| 12:24.40 | wilhelm_ | why is it, that when i transfer files (host2host or disc2disc) i get high transfer speeds at first for a while, then transfer speed drops? example: backup to my extarnal usb harddrive.. first minutes of transfer: 10MB/s.. later: 1MB/s. is there some limiting going on that im unaware of? (this even occur if im root (at both ends)) |
| 12:25.28 | ideafix | it just seemed logical to supse that it would |
| 12:25.31 | valdyn_ | ideafix: emulation describes an interface thing, it sais nothing at all about its implementation |
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| 12:25.50 | sepski | wilhelm_, when i observe that it's ususly that the memory buffer fills at 10MB then when it actualy starts writing to usb it drops to 1MB, make sure you'r at usb2.0 if your not |
| 12:27.42 | Albacker | which version of kernel does debian woody has |
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| 12:27.42 | sepski | Albacker, several apt-cache search kernel-image tells you |
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| 12:27.54 | directhex|work | Albacker, 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 |
| 12:28.14 | ideafix | i hope next debian release will soon be finished |
| 12:28.27 | wilhelm_ | sepski: well.. im on usb2 for sure.. (and usb doesnt apply to for example ftp transfers does it) |
| 12:28.31 | ideafix | i bet its gona blow the rating |
| 12:28.34 | Albacker | ok thanks |
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| 12:28.51 | sepski | wilhelm_, only if you save to a usb on the remote end |
| 12:29.05 | wilhelm_ | sepski: :) |
| 12:29.13 | valdyn_ | wilhelm_: what do you mean " i am on usb2 for sure " ? that you have plugged it into an usb2 plug or that your driver supports usb2 ? |
| 12:29.13 | ideafix | to hell with ubuntu mepis and all other debian look a likes |
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| 12:29.38 | lu | Rah rah rah debian |
| 12:29.38 | chugga | ideafix, shame on you |
| 12:29.45 | wilhelm_ | sepski: well, im not.. this happens for all kind of transfers.. |
| 12:29.56 | Albacker | guys how Do I install the kernel source code ? apt-get install kernel-source?? ? |
| 12:29.56 | wilhelm_ | valdyn_: both |
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| 12:30.05 | feistel | hi |
| 12:30.11 | feistel | my debian write logs with bad time |
| 12:30.24 | directhex|work | Albacker, kernel-source-2.something.somethingelse |
| 12:30.26 | feistel | my time is 9:20 and logs says 13:20 |
| 12:30.37 | valdyn_ | wilhelm_: lsmod | grep ehci to test |
| 12:30.42 | ideafix | mabey its out of sync |
| 12:30.51 | ideafix | heh |
| 12:30.52 | possie | i have build a kernel module, that i want to use, but the my problem is that when my system boot it loads the module out initrd, is there away to disable loading a certain module from initrd file? and use the module in /lib/modules instead? |
| 12:31.04 | Noid | upon booting, instead of loading the usual stuff (scripts, gnome), one of my debians prompts a (none) login: and / is mounted read only... if i run runlevel i get "2 6" as a result, what must I look for to solve this? |
| 12:31.19 | sepski | possie, make new initrd excluding the module in question |
| 12:31.38 | lu | possie, yes |
| 12:31.43 | valdyn_ | wilhelm_: and usage count needs to be above zero while you transfer data |
| 12:32.01 | lu | please correct me sepski, you have to statically compile it in the kernel |
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| 12:32.13 | Delicates1 | how much space can you recommend for /? |
| 12:32.27 | directhex|work | Delicates1, depends |
| 12:32.28 | lu | speski, could you show a site/howto for making initrds? |
| 12:32.37 | lu | having loads of trouble |
| 12:32.44 | valdyn_ | Delicates1: thats not a valid question, whats your partitioning scheme? |
| 12:32.45 | sepski | man mkinitrd ? |
| 12:32.52 | possie | lu: yes? :-) |
| 12:33.02 | resiak | lu: If you use make-kpkg, just add --initrd |
| 12:33.03 | sepski | also man mkinitrd.conf |
| 12:33.19 | lu | idd that, lol, and when ever i do the --initrd with make-kpkg i get kernel panic |
| 12:33.21 | wilhelm_ | valdyn_: got ehci allright.. |
| 12:33.21 | Delicates1 | directhex|work: desktop PC, small /boot partition, / partition and the rest of space for /home |
| 12:33.35 | valdyn_ | wilhelm_: and what about usage count? |
| 12:34.32 | jm_ | lu: do you need to useinitrd image? |
| 12:34.32 | directhex|work | Delicates1, what software do you plan on installing? |
| 12:34.32 | directhex|work | Delicates1, how big's the disk? |
| 12:34.32 | lu | my reading has lead to a wall, do i have to configure mkinitrd.conf somehow? |
| 12:34.32 | directhex|work | Delicates1, etc |
| 12:34.32 | Delicates1 | directhex|work: 74GB, desktop software |
| 12:34.32 | lu | well, default installs with debian apt-get install kernel_image use it |
| 12:34.32 | sepski | Delicates1, for a desktop pc, just swap and one big / |
| 12:34.34 | lu | so i figured why not attempt to keep the same process |
| 12:34.39 | jm_ | yes, but that doesn't mean your custom kernel has to use it as well |
| 12:34.40 | lu | i can make static kernels |
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| 12:34.51 | piem | lu: no you don't need to |
| 12:34.54 | jm_ | !tell lu -about initrd |
| 12:34.55 | Delicates1 | sepski: I'm using reiser4 for /, so I would rather keep /boot and /homr separate |
| 12:35.15 | lu | i'd like to understand how initrd works, mkinitrd.conf and the 2.6 kernel |
| 12:35.22 | jm_ | read initrd.txt |
| 12:35.29 | directhex|work | Delicates1, well, say 5gb for normal software with lots of room for expansion & bloated logs, plus 7gb for unreal tournament 2004 |
| 12:36.05 | Delicates1 | hahaha okkkay... |
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| 12:36.05 | Delicates1 | 22GB it is then |
| 12:36.05 | wilhelm_ | valdyn_: |
| 12:36.29 | valdyn_ | yes? |
| 12:36.43 | SlayerXP | Delicates1: you know that reiser4 has been kicked out of the mainstream kernel? |
| 12:36.59 | valdyn_ | SlayerXP: eh? it was ever in? |
| 12:37.05 | valdyn_ | SlayerXP: no it wasnt.. |
| 12:37.08 | Delicates1 | SlayerXP: as far as I know it never been in it in the first place |
| 12:37.26 | SlayerXP | valdyn_: Hans submitted patches, which were then torn apart my Andrew Morton and others, whilst Hans whined about it |
| 12:37.53 | valdyn_ | SlayerXP: thats true, they kicked out the semantic extensions |
| 12:37.53 | SlayerXP | valdyn_: it was reiser3 all over again |
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| 12:38.05 | valdyn_ | SlayerXP: but reiser4 is in mm |
| 12:38.06 | lu | initrd.txt, is this on a /doc/library or are you being silly |
| 12:38.07 | sepski | Delicates1, use LVM and add as you need to |
| 12:38.14 | valdyn_ | SlayerXP: and never was in mainstream |
| 12:38.32 | SlayerXP | rephrase: it was refused inclusion in the mainstream kernel |
| 12:38.58 | lu | thankyou jm |
| 12:39.04 | valdyn_ | SlayerXP: naturally, its a new fs, it has to be tested first... |
| 12:39.38 | jm_ | lu: it's in kernel docs |
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| 12:39.47 | SlayerXP | valdyn_: actually, it needs taking out a shooting. |
| 12:40.03 | valdyn_ | SlayerXP: though that raises the question why on earth someone who doesnt know how to partition his system would try to use it |
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| 12:40.11 | lu | locate kernel docs commensing now, thanks a noob appreciates the help |
| 12:40.36 | SlayerXP | valdyn_: makes perfect sense to me. people who don't know any better _would_ use it. |
| 12:41.32 | Delicates1 | LVM I think would add more headache than solutions |
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| 12:41.53 | valdyn_ | Delicates1: 3 months ago i could destroy my reiserfs with just tar xfvj some archives, why do you want to use it? |
| 12:42.07 | valdyn_ | Delicates1: err s/reiserfs/reiser4/ |
| 12:42.36 | Delicates1 | valdyn_: speed? |
| 12:42.59 | SlayerXP | Delicates1: there much faster ways of destroying data than using reiserfs |
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| 12:43.21 | SlayerXP | there are |
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| 12:43.32 | memic | hi |
| 12:43.46 | Delicates1 | well they claim it doesn't crash anymore |
| 12:43.56 | valdyn_ | Delicates1: i would worry about backup/restore speed ) |
| 12:43.57 | SlayerXP | Delicates1: they said that about reiser3 an awful lot too |
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| 12:44.02 | memic | when i build a new 2.6 kernel, do i need to build an new initrd.img? |
| 12:44.07 | SlayerXP | "no, no, we've _really_ fixed it this time" |
| 12:44.11 | directhex|work | SlayerXP, my only toasted partition has been with ext3. that's lower reliability for me than fat16. |
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| 12:44.17 | Delicates1 | yes, which is why I will keep my /home stuff separate |
| 12:44.20 | directhex|work | plus, we've had ext3's just implode at work |
| 12:44.21 | streuner_ | memic: only if you have INITRD enabled |
| 12:44.36 | SlayerXP | directhex|work: never lost a single byte of data with ext3 |
| 12:44.36 | memic | k |
| 12:44.48 | streuner_ | memic: grep INITRD your_config |
| 12:44.53 | valdyn_ | i use reiser, but power outages dont happen here so uh, i cant comment on its stability after power outages.. |
| 12:44.54 | memic | k |
| 12:45.08 | directhex|work | SlayerXP, i lost my ~, and /etc on a cluster node |
| 12:45.15 | memic | how do i rebuild initrd image? |
| 12:45.32 | streuner_ | memic: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 12:45.51 | SlayerXP | memic: initrds are intended for installing systems, really. don't use one unless you have to |
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| 12:46.18 | memic | hm ok |
| 12:46.33 | memic | in debian its enabled |
| 12:46.41 | streuner_ | SlayerXP: official debian kernels have that by default... |
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| 12:46.49 | Delicates1 | memic: if all your drivers are compiled as part of the kernel image and not modules, there's no point in using initrd |
| 12:46.58 | memic | i can disable and take out of lili.con? |
| 12:47.09 | Peter | whats the best way to convert a heiserf partition to fat32? |
| 12:47.09 | streuner_ | yes |
| 12:47.11 | memic | ok |
| 12:47.23 | directhex|work | Peter, back up the data, format |
| 12:47.28 | memic | wish me some luck i dont kill this remote box ;) |
| 12:47.32 | streuner_ | Peter: backup the data and cp it back |
| 12:47.52 | streuner_ | good luck |
| 12:47.58 | memic | thx :) |
| 12:48.33 | Peter | ack |
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| 12:48.33 | SlayerXP | streuner: well, yes, they're intended for installing systems, really |
| 12:48.33 | Peter | i have a ntfs partition and a heiserf partition |
| 12:48.34 | streuner_ | SlayerXP: did you ever use bf2.4 kernels? |
| 12:48.36 | TSGC | I'm having a problem with installing Debian from my CD. |
| 12:48.47 | valdyn_ | Peter: are you trying to put / on a fat32? |
| 12:48.47 | memic | which 2.6 kernel to take? |
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| 12:49.00 | memic | lol / on fat32 |
| 12:49.09 | SlayerXP | streuner: to install, yes. and then I always drop a custom kernel on a box. |
| 12:49.15 | Peter | valdyn_: my sata storage disk is heiserfs, i need to access it on windows. |
| 12:49.19 | streuner_ | SlayerXP: Zomb's install bf2.4 doesn't use initrd either... |
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| 12:49.33 | Peter | so i booted into knoppix, and i need to convert it to fat/ext |
| 12:49.35 | valdyn_ | Peter: ok |
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| 12:50.45 | R | I can't get my kernel to work right with my hd, the default (woody, 2.4) debian kernel works but if I try to compile something the hd becomes terribly slow, any ideas? |
| 12:51.48 | valdyn_ | R: hdparm /dev/whatever - is using_dma set to 1 ? |
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| 12:52.01 | Peter | so can i convert reiserfs to ext3? |
| 12:52.11 | streuner_ | no |
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| 12:52.17 | Peter | d'oh. |
| 12:52.24 | anols | heisann |
| 12:52.26 | R | valdyn_: yes, it is, hdparm -tT gives pretty good results, bonnie++ gives very poor results... |
| 12:52.30 | sepski | Peter,yes you can -- backup , repartition, mkfs, restore |
| 12:52.37 | Peter | backup to where? :> |
| 12:52.39 | anols | går'e? |
| 12:52.41 | Peter | my only other drive is ntfs |
| 12:52.45 | anols | driv me? |
| 12:52.51 | anols | svartepetter |
| 12:52.55 | humbolt | is there a tool in debian sarge that mounts my usbstick, ... on plugin, creates the proper fstab entries, ... ?? |
| 12:52.58 | anols | pipelort |
| 12:53.00 | anols | svartepetter |
| 12:53.01 | anols | pipelort |
| 12:53.02 | streuner_ | Peter: you need to backup your data, soon or later ;-) |
| 12:53.03 | R | it's a ICH6 board btw using PATA |
| 12:53.04 | martin__ | hello :) I use fluxbox as my WM and every time I startx the gnome screen appears, I click it, it disappears, and after some minutes, the nautilus desktop appears over fluxbox. How can I disable this (gnome & nautilus starting) |
| 12:53.09 | anols | yo niggaz |
| 12:53.14 | Peter | ... |
| 12:53.16 | anols | wazzuup homie |
| 12:53.18 | Peter | ... |
| 12:53.25 | anols | doing holmes |
| 12:53.26 | streuner_ | anols: stop that |
| 12:53.27 | valdyn_ | R: did you manually switch dma on? |
| 12:53.33 | anols | sure thing |
| 12:53.38 | R | no, dma is enabled by default |
| 12:53.38 | streuner_ | !tell anols about enter |
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| 12:53.48 | drac | Quality of this channel is dropping for some mysterious reason.. |
| 12:53.53 | valdyn_ | R: does cat /dev/hda > /dev/null put load on your cpu? |
| 12:54.04 | R | + the speed difference is more then a dma issue (it's 30000 K/s in bonnie++ vs 300 K/s) |
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| 12:54.58 | R | valdyn_: yes it does |
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| 12:55.08 | valdyn_ | R: how much? |
| 12:55.10 | dystopia^ | anols: supp G |
| 12:55.17 | Gandalfar | is there a way to tell debootstrap to use a real proxy instead of apt-proxy? |
| 12:55.25 | R | slowly raising, currently 0.75 |
| 12:55.50 | Halahad | got some prob when i use the nvidia kernel module...i have to rebuild it each time |
| 12:56.03 | R | valdyn_: now it's 1 |
| 12:56.08 | valdyn_ | R: not loadavg please, i want to know how heavily your cpu is used |
| 12:56.09 | Gandalfar | Halahad: udev probably probably |
| 12:56.25 | Halahad | udev? |
| 12:56.30 | R | valdyn_: cat uses around 7.5 percent |
| 12:56.37 | R | valdyn_: no mem |
| 12:56.38 | Gandalfar | Halahad: do you have gnome installed? |
| 12:56.45 | Halahad | yah |
| 12:57.14 | Gandalfar | Halahad: http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php#nvidia |
| 12:57.14 | valdyn_ | R: which value is idle ( "id" ) at in "top" ? |
| 12:57.35 | R | valdyn_: Cpu(s): 8.0% user, 10.8% system, 0.0% nice, 81.2% idle |
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| 12:57.49 | Halahad | Thx for yr help, Gandalfar |
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| 12:59.05 | Peter | what about mounting my ntfs drive so i can write to it |
| 12:59.08 | Peter | is that possible? |
| 12:59.14 | valdyn_ | R: not sure theres a problem at all then, bonnie giving 300k/s for some stuff doesnt seem unreasonable |
| 12:59.16 | sepski | Peter, dangerous, |
| 12:59.23 | Peter | :/ |
| 12:59.46 | sepski | Peter, buy another drive, it's cheap |
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| 13:00.19 | Peter | i have two drives :> |
| 13:00.19 | Peter | just that they're in awkward formats |
| 13:00.19 | R | valdyn_: there really is a problem, 300 K/s is for the stuff I get 30000 K/s (and higher) on other servers |
| 13:00.25 | sepski | Peter, get anotherone then , and never ever use ntfs again |
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| 13:00.46 | guadalinex | fffff |
| 13:00.49 | guadalinex | fhbnm |
| 13:00.53 | R | valdyn_: i can only use bonnie++ with -s 10 -r 5 because otherwise bonnie++ takes hours to finish |
| 13:00.58 | Peter | haha |
| 13:01.00 | guadalinex | ola |
| 13:01.04 | Peter | i said that last time |
| 13:01.19 | guadalinex | ola |
| 13:01.33 | ricky_clarkson | guadalinex: espanol? #debian-es - troll? /quit |
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| 13:01.41 | Peter | so what formats can you convert reiserf to? :/ |
| 13:01.52 | ricky_clarkson | Peter: With a hammer? |
| 13:01.53 | guadalinex | no se k dices |
| 13:02.04 | guadalinex | como |
| 13:02.06 | ricky_clarkson | guadalinex: /join #debian-es |
| 13:02.11 | guadalinex | what |
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| 13:02.22 | ricky_clarkson | !spanish |
| 13:02.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:02.22 | Gandalfar | Peter: none really, you copy data somewhere, reformat and copy back |
| 13:02.31 | valdyn_ | R: i assume you checked logs already. You may alsa try smartmontools and a different kernel. This obviously is a pretty low level problem i think |
| 13:02.34 | dystopia^ | guadalinex: te agguingi a #debian-es |
| 13:02.41 | guadalinex | a mi en español |
| 13:02.48 | guadalinex | aora |
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| 13:03.08 | dystopia^ | guadalinex: scrivi "/join #debian-es" parla lo spagnolo la' |
| 13:03.27 | R | valdyn_: I think so too, but I can't find it anywhere... tried a bunch of kernels and the only one that works is the 2.4 woody kernel from the install cd... but that one has no supprt for my network card :( |
| 13:03.42 | ricky_clarkson | guadalinex: aqui es para ingles solo. No usa espanol aqui, por favor. con el teclado, "/join #debian-es". Es no dificil. |
| 13:03.49 | guadalinex | ola quieres escribir ya |
| 13:03.56 | ricky_clarkson | Stupid cunt. |
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| 13:04.02 | guadalinex | contestame |
| 13:04.07 | Peter | :/ |
| 13:04.10 | bob2 | this is an english channel |
| 13:04.12 | dystopia^ | ricky_clarkson: ? |
| 13:04.13 | bob2 | so byebye |
| 13:04.25 | R | valdyn_: it actually is one that doesn't even support my chipset... so without dma it is a lot faster then my other kernel with dma |
| 13:04.26 | ricky_clarkson | dystopia^: ?? |
| 13:04.41 | dystopia^ | ricky_clarkson: Ur words were a bit harsh. |
| 13:04.55 | ricky_clarkson | dystopia^: urs r a byt abbrvitd. |
| 13:05.01 | guadalinex | ay alguien español |
| 13:05.03 | guadalinex | ? |
| 13:05.06 | guadalinex | por dios mio |
| 13:05.08 | Noid | guadalinex: te van a largar de aquí, únete al canal #debian-es |
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| 13:05.17 | dystopia^ | ricky_clarkson: at least its my words and not my brain thats truncated. |
| 13:05.22 | ricky_clarkson | guadalinex: no aqui. /joing #d... |
| 13:05.27 | bob2 | thanks! |
| 13:05.55 | ricky_clarkson | dystopia^: Please leave me alone. |
| 13:06.03 | plagatox | guadalinex: /join #debian-es |
| 13:06.20 | _mauser_ | hey.. has somebody experiences with linux-wlan-ng with kernel 2.6 under debian ? |
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| 13:06.26 | bob2 | lots of people |
| 13:06.30 | martin__ | Anyone? how do I do make gnome not starting when I load fluxbox? |
| 13:06.35 | bob2 | ask a non-vague question and someone might share them |
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| 13:06.46 | dystopia^ | martin__: do you have "gnome-session" in your xinit ? |
| 13:06.48 | ricky_clarkson | martin__: Which desktop manager do you use? |
| 13:07.02 | _mauser_ | i'm looking for a howto to compile the modules.. |
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| 13:07.11 | bob2 | _mauser_: you don't need a howto |
| 13:07.20 | martin__ | ricky_clarkson: I don't want a desktop manager, I just want to use fluxbox (I think it's just the wm) |
| 13:07.28 | ricky_clarkson | martin__: Do you use startx? |
| 13:07.37 | bob2 | _mauser_: install the kernel-headers for your kernel and read the README that comes in the wlan source tarball |
| 13:07.51 | martin__ | dystopia^: maybe I can remove the x-session-manager alternative? |
| 13:08.01 | martin__ | ricky_clarkson: it's the same with startx or gdm (I tried both) |
| 13:08.05 | dystopia^ | martin__: cat ~/.xinitrc , what does it say |
| 13:08.27 | directhex|work | sigh |
| 13:08.41 | martin__ | dystopia^: I don't have it |
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| 13:08.48 | directhex|work | _mauser_, apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng |
| 13:08.48 | shastry | hi all |
| 13:08.57 | shastry | is there anyway to get all the dev stuff with a package ? |
| 13:09.00 | martin__ | dystopia^: what can I use instead of gnome-session for x-session-manager? |
| 13:09.07 | jm_ | shastry: try b-e |
| 13:09.08 | _mauser_ | bob2: thx, i'll try it |
| 13:09.09 | shastry | i mean if i want qt, i want qt headers also with it |
| 13:09.17 | shastry | jm_: b-e ? |
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| 13:09.41 | memic | streuner rebuilding kernel without, initrd, after that i will take out initrd option from lilo.. are u sure box will boot again? ;P |
| 13:09.56 | dystopia^ | martin__: do you use gdm ? |
| 13:10.09 | dystopia^ | maybe thats your problem. |
| 13:10.09 | R | valdyn_: i just noticed my hd gives an error during boot: hda: task_no_data_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } (I already tried replacing the hd, no difference) |
| 13:10.15 | kingk | How do you see all the ide drives on a system like lspci for pci cards? |
| 13:10.20 | jm_ | shastry: ahh no, ignore that - you need to install them manually (or just install the dev, it will also install the lib) |
| 13:10.23 | bob2 | kingk: dmesg |
| 13:10.36 | shastry | jm_: k |
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| 13:11.32 | _mauser_ | directhex|work: i get an error, debian/control.orig was not found |
| 13:11.51 | directhex|work | _mauser_, file a bug. |
| 13:11.57 | ElGamel | is OpenOffice any good or is it a load of pants ? |
| 13:12.07 | ElGamel | dont wanna spend 10 years compiling it if its shite. |
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| 13:12.09 | bob2 | try it and see, duh |
| 13:12.14 | bob2 | then dont compile it |
| 13:12.20 | directhex|work | ElGamel, compiling? what the hell? |
| 13:12.29 | bob2 | if only there was some group that built binary packages for debian systems |
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| 13:12.34 | ElGamel | bob2: well there is that. it'll still take me an age to download it on this connection |
| 13:12.35 | bob2 | oh, wait, it's called DEBIAN. |
| 13:12.41 | SlayerXP | bob2: that'd be awesome! |
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| 13:13.06 | SlayerXP | bob2: you could have one repository per architecture |
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| 13:13.19 | SlayerXP | bob2: it even occurs to me that you could have differnet levels of package quality. |
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| 13:13.21 | cahoot | debin? |
| 13:13.28 | ElGamel | bob2: yes but erm.. what version comes with debian. probably version 0.0.9. i love debian but for desktop apps i must say i prefer to get the latest source and stick it under /usr/local. no harm in that when you NEED the latest and greatest. |
| 13:13.29 | SlayerXP | bob2: one for stuff that's really well tested |
| 13:13.48 | SlayerXP | bob2: one for stuff that's thought to be nearly bug free and one for stuff that changes a lot. |
| 13:13.51 | bob2 | ElGamel: if only there was some version of Debian that was updated every day with new software |
| 13:14.05 | bob2 | hm, I have no sid systems left to check |
| 13:14.11 | bob2 | !+info openoffice.org-bin sid |
| 13:14.16 | dpkg | openoffice.org-bin: (OpenOffice.org office suite binary files), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 42792 kB, Installed size: 127084 kB |
| 13:14.26 | bob2 | hah. 127MB |
| 13:14.28 | directhex|work | ElGamel, smoking anything interesting? |
| 13:14.40 | directhex|work | !info openoffice.org-bin sarge |
| 13:14.41 | bob2 | ElGamel: but it's an office "suite" |
| 13:14.44 | dpkg | openoffice.org-bin: (OpenOffice.org office suite binary files), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.2dfsg1-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 42634 kB, Installed size: 126604 kB |
| 13:14.45 | bob2 | and therefore shit |
| 13:14.52 | ElGamel | bob2: lol. |
| 13:14.53 | bob2 | if you don't have to use one, you don't, because it just hurts |
| 13:15.25 | directhex|work | !d-i ElGamel |
| 13:15.25 | ElGamel | i'll stick to vim , mysql and calc instead of OpenOffice hen |
| 13:15.26 | dpkg | ElGamel, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:15.36 | bob2 | lord |
| 13:15.39 | bob2 | feel the love |
| 13:16.10 | ElGamel | directhex|work: no.. i use woody. i can probably imagine how outdated openoffice is in stable. sure i could use sid, or testing. |
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| 13:16.35 | SlayerXP | bob2: I noticed you completely refused to help me with that extended troll :) |
| 13:16.47 | bob2 | hah |
| 13:16.50 | petemc | ElGamel: or you could come in here and complain a lot about all this free software you have access to |
| 13:16.55 | bob2 | I woke up at 6am today, I'm too tired to troll |
| 13:17.16 | R | anyone here a genius when it comes to kernels / IDE... I'm getting desperate? |
| 13:17.26 | directhex|work | ElGamel, s/could/should/. sarge is more than ready for desktop use. |
| 13:17.40 | bob2 | R: please don't tell us you're building you're own kernel and having trouble when it panics on boot |
| 13:17.53 | R | bob2: not quite |
| 13:17.54 | guim | burning cd with nautilus don't work : it says in a popup that my cd is not writable (but it is a new one!) anyone knows what could cause this? |
| 13:17.54 | ElGamel | Who's complaining? My question was "is openoffice any good", The response was less than friendly ranging from "download that phat file and see for yourself" to "its shite no matter how good it is coz its an offie suite" |
| 13:18.00 | cahoot | R: doesn't the install kernel provide a .config to use if you need a recompile? |
| 13:18.06 | ElGamel | openoffice.org didn't have any screen shots so i was just asking. wish i didn't now. |
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| 13:18.16 | bob2 | screenshots don't help |
| 13:18.19 | petemc | ElGamel: yes, opinions often vary wildy, its the nature of the beast |
| 13:18.19 | bob2 | it's just an office suite |
| 13:18.23 | ElGamel | directhex|work: sid is ok for desktop use aye.. perhaps i'll try it then |
| 13:18.29 | bob2 | surely you've seen word or something? |
| 13:18.32 | ricky_clarkson | ElGamel: It works. |
| 13:18.32 | ElGamel | well i dont use ANY office suites |
| 13:18.37 | bob2 | they're all fat and horrible |
| 13:18.38 | ElGamel | yeah ive seen word but i dont use it .. |
| 13:18.41 | directhex|work | ElGamel, are you selectivel;y not seeing the word 'sarge'? |
| 13:18.44 | ElGamel | i dont use ANY office products |
| 13:18.45 | R | cahoot: well, the standard kernel doesn't recognize much of my hardware |
| 13:18.46 | bob2 | everyone avoids it unless they have to |
| 13:18.51 | ElGamel | occasionally excel for doing my expenses |
| 13:18.56 | bob2 | R: so install a new one |
| 13:19.00 | ElGamel | in fact it was a spreadsheet app i was wanting anyway |
| 13:19.04 | R | cahoot,bob2: my recompiled kernel does recognize everything |
| 13:19.09 | bob2 | ElGamel: use gnumeric |
| 13:19.10 | takatumi | ElGamel: sc |
| 13:19.11 | bob2 | R: shockingly |
| 13:19.13 | Gandalfar | ElGamel: try gnumerics then |
| 13:19.13 | directhex|work | !tell r about woody hardware support |
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| 13:19.20 | ElGamel | directhex|work: sure but sarge is testing right ? i mean the future 4.0 ? |
| 13:19.26 | ElGamel | oops |
| 13:19.34 | R | cahoot,bob2: but slow the system down terrible (IO with IDE goes to 300 and less K/s) |
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| 13:19.55 | directhex|work | ElGamel, 3.1, yes |
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| 13:20.08 | ElGamel | yeah 3.1 |
| 13:20.15 | bob2 | R: if you're using woody on modern hardware, you have lost |
| 13:20.23 | bob2 | go to backports.org and get a modern kernel |
| 13:20.39 | R | bob2: I use sarge with a 2.4.28 kernel (and have already tried 2.6.9) |
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| 13:21.00 | R | bob2: got the kernel from kernel.org |
| 13:21.01 | ElGamel | i guess sarge is very very close now to being stable... |
| 13:21.13 | bob2 | R: yes, but you're configuring it wrong |
| 13:21.19 | bob2 | use a properly bulit one from backports.org |
| 13:21.22 | R | bob2: obviously |
| 13:22.01 | firef0x | darn.. name taken |
| 13:22.03 | bob2 | bah |
| 13:22.10 | bob2 | stop using such stupid nicks |
| 13:22.13 | abrocadabro | after an upgrade from kernel 2.2 to 2.6, ssh no longer works, as the client hangs after a complaint from server "stdin: not a tty", any ideas? |
| 13:22.19 | pwned | I know a nick noone took |
| 13:22.27 | bob2 | you're obviously not the author of firefox, so don't use it as your nick |
| 13:22.34 | bob2 | it just makes you look annoying and 16 years old |
| 13:22.42 | R | bob2: i'll try the backport 2.4.27 |
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| 13:22.49 | kromagg | yeah, call yourself firebird instead |
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| 13:22.51 | firef0x | bob2: well you got out of the wrong side of the bed today didn't you. you not seen the film FIREFOX ? |
| 13:22.52 | bob2 | R: that would be my suggestion |
| 13:23.01 | bob2 | firef0x: oh, so you wrote a movie? |
| 13:23.04 | bob2 | or did you just watch it? |
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| 13:23.13 | bob2 | if so, then you're still lame and 16 years old. |
| 13:23.18 | firef0x | it was shakespeare that said "what is a name but.. etc yada yada" |
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| 13:23.37 | firef0x | bob2: you haven't seen the other nicks in the channel then ? |
| 13:23.37 | bob2 | yeah |
| 13:23.40 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: Are you using Woody? |
| 13:23.40 | kingk_ | How do I add another os to Grubs boot loader |
| 13:23.47 | bob2 | firef0x: yes, lots of people have stupid and annoying nicknames |
| 13:23.50 | jm_ | kingk: edit its config file |
| 13:23.52 | abrocadabro | perfdave: yes |
| 13:23.58 | bob2 | but you're the one who actually *changed* to a stupid and annoying nickname while I was watching |
| 13:24.01 | firef0x | bob2: well go tell them , coz perhpas they'll give a shit unlike me. |
| 13:24.05 | kingk_ | jm_ where is it located? |
| 13:24.08 | firef0x | bob2: i guess i was the lucky one then |
| 13:24.11 | bob2 | firef0x: u r k-rad |
| 13:24.17 | sanso | kingk_ less /usr/share/doc/grub/* |
| 13:24.18 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: You do know that 2.6 kernels don't work on Woody without extra packages, right? |
| 13:24.21 | firef0x | bob2: why thank you sir bob. |
| 13:24.37 | firef0x | i guess thre was already one bob in your family when you were born and they called you bob2 right ? |
| 13:24.46 | abrocadabro | perldave: no, actually not, what extra packages are needed? |
| 13:24.52 | jm_ | kingk_: install grub-doc, you'll need it, then info grub (or use pinfo/tkinfo/emacs to read it) |
| 13:25.01 | bob2 | thank you, I appreciate it |
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| 13:25.03 | Simon_ | thre you go. hope youre happy now bob. |
| 13:25.08 | valdyn_ | !bunk 2.6 |
| 13:25.08 | dpkg | well, bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 13:25.08 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: /msg dpkg woody 2.6 |
| 13:27.30 | Simon_ | no one wants to talk now that firef0x is dead. |
| 13:27.40 | Simon_ | see what happens. everyone is in mourning. |
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| 13:29.08 | manchot | how to make root have access to Xserver and launch graphic applications in a normal user? |
| 13:29.23 | ricky_clarkson | Simon_: What're you on about? |
| 13:29.32 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: He was called firef0x. |
| 13:29.39 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: And is a twat ;) |
| 13:29.42 | Simon_ | lol |
| 13:29.47 | ricky_clarkson | Ah! |
| 13:29.57 | ricky_clarkson | I thought maybe firefox had changed name again |
| 13:30.02 | resiak | Heh. |
| 13:30.03 | ricky_clarkson | firethenamers |
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| 13:30.51 | Simon_ | my nicknam is actually firefox but not through no fault of my own i must add. its a v. long story that wont redeem me im afraid. |
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| 13:31.15 | ricky_clarkson | Simon_: My nick is very cryptic. |
| 13:31.16 | digitalbit | can some one tell where is the sources.list of the unstable debian (official) |
| 13:31.25 | manchot | I have already set display permission by: |
| 13:31.26 | resiak | digitalbit: If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 13:31.27 | manchot | xhost +localhost |
| 13:31.28 | ricky_clarkson | I'm actually Clark Rickyson. |
| 13:31.36 | ricky_clarkson | j/k |
| 13:31.52 | manchot | and in root's .bashrc, I did: export DISPLAY=localhost:0 |
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| 13:31.59 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: And when you take off your glasses, you become ricky_clarkson, and nobody can tell the difference? ;) |
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| 13:32.12 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: You blew my secret, you git. |
| 13:32.13 | karsten | OT: Carly's stepped down from HP. |
| 13:32.14 | PerfDave | Simon_: You're a furry, aren't you? ;p |
| 13:32.18 | manchot | but still, I got this error:konqueror: cannot connect to X server localhost:0 |
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| 13:32.27 | digitalbit | resiak: cannot find it in debian.org :( |
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| 13:33.32 | xogon | this is too much: a "review" of arch linux in which the author states "one thing that really bothered me about Debian's APT is Debconf." |
| 13:33.33 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Bah! I have a full beard now ;) |
| 13:33.49 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: You don't *now*. ;) |
| 13:34.07 | xogon | " it can be really annoying when you have to install a lot of packages" |
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| 13:34.11 | resiak | digitalbit: Like I say, if you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 13:34.13 | karsten | L'Inq article: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21175 |
| 13:34.20 | Simon_ | ricky_clarkson: your nick reminds me of the person Jeremey Clarkson.. you know him ? motoring journalist (uk) |
| 13:34.23 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Godo god, I look like James Hetfield ;) |
| 13:34.27 | resiak | manchot: Why are you trying to start a browser as root? o.O |
| 13:34.39 | ricky_clarkson | Simon_: He's my father. |
| 13:34.46 | ricky_clarkson | Simon_: Kelly Clarkson is my little sister too. |
| 13:35.01 | ricky_clarkson | I'm the ugly relative who nobody talks about ;( |
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| 13:35.09 | Simon_ | Heh. |
| 13:35.22 | manchot | resiak: that's just an example, I need root's access to Xserver |
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| 13:35.37 | R | bob2: what's the difference between the 2.4.27 kernel on backports.org and the 2.4.27 kernel in sarge? |
| 13:35.42 | ricky_clarkson | Simon_: Theories have it that the Osmonds have a younger brother with bad teeth, who they keep locked up. I'm his best mate. |
| 13:35.47 | Simon_ | loads of people in here.. 778 my goodness |
| 13:35.57 | ricky_clarkson | Simon_: Loads of clients, less people. |
| 13:36.12 | resiak | !tell manchot about sshx |
| 13:36.20 | Simon_ | nice to see no flooders n such like , like you do on the undernet |
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| 13:36.33 | ricky_clarkson | Simon_: We have bots to handle floods. |
| 13:36.39 | Simon_ | apart from people getting funny over quirky nicknames this channel is quite cool. as good as a mailing list even |
| 13:36.57 | ricky_clarkson | Depends on the problem. We're good at one-line answers. |
| 13:37.05 | ricky_clarkson | .. and one line questions. |
| 13:37.05 | Simon_ | ricky_clarkson: I can see. |
| 13:37.06 | Simon_ | :P |
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| 13:37.29 | kpanik_ | !tell me about sshx |
| 13:37.29 | resiak | manchot: You really shouldn't need to use X as root. |
| 13:37.33 | resiak | kpanik_: ; |
| 13:37.37 | resiak | kpanik_: /msg dpkg factoid |
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| 13:37.50 | kpanik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.51 | manchot | resiak: no I do need |
| 13:38.05 | resiak | manchot: No, you really don't. But read the factoid dpkg gave you. |
| 13:38.09 | Simon_ | the program "screen"... can it resume a lost connection ? |
| 13:38.12 | manchot | resiak: just on localhost |
| 13:38.19 | resiak | manchot: Read the factoid. |
| 13:39.07 | resiak | Simon_: If you start an app in screen, then you can detach the screen (such as when you lose your connection) and reattach later. man screen |
| 13:39.18 | Simon_ | resiak: ahhhhh! ok .. "detach". |
| 13:39.21 | resiak | Simon_: Yeah. |
| 13:39.22 | Simon_ | i saw that in the man page. |
| 13:39.24 | Simon_ | cheers. |
| 13:39.31 | resiak | Simon_: It's kinda the whole point :-) |
| 13:39.46 | Simon_ | but what happens if its ABORTED , unwittingly |
| 13:39.50 | resiak | Simon_: Same thing. |
| 13:40.00 | Simon_ | ok nice. |
| 13:40.02 | Simon_ | i'll go play |
| 13:40.04 | Simon_ | i like screen. |
| 13:40.09 | resiak | Simon_: Like I say, that's kinda the whole point. |
| 13:40.55 | pzs | What do you do if dpkg starts giving segmentation faults |
| 13:40.56 | pzs | ? |
| 13:40.58 | resiak | !tell Simon_ about enter |
| 13:41.09 | ricky_clarkson | pzs: Panic. |
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| 13:41.14 | pzs | Thanks. |
| 13:41.17 | ricky_clarkson | No problem. |
| 13:41.18 | Simon_ | resiak: LOL. sorry man. i do it subconciously. |
| 13:41.26 | pzs | I've tried that - what's next? |
| 13:41.27 | resiak | pzs: Are you on unstable? |
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| 13:41.43 | resiak | Simon_: Well, consciously stop yourself :-) |
| 13:41.51 | pzs | Yes... |
| 13:41.57 | Simon_ | dpkg's coments have been noted ;P |
| 13:42.03 | abrocadabro | PerfDave: i have update all my package from http://www.fs.tum.de, the ssh still doesn't seem to work but |
| 13:42.12 | resiak | !bt |
| 13:42.12 | dpkg | bt sux0rs. Bhutan, or bluetooth. British Telecom |
| 13:42.13 | resiak | !bts |
| 13:42.13 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:42.17 | manchot | resiak: do I need to run sshd to use your method? |
| 13:42.17 | resiak | pzs: ^^ |
| 13:42.25 | resiak | manchot: Yes. What, you don't already? |
| 13:42.36 | resiak | pzs: Note the bit about "anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight". |
| 13:43.00 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: I don't know, sorry, I don't run 2.6 on Woody. |
| 13:43.13 | NiklasH_1ork | hi, anyone had success with the 'mac' match in iptables and Linux 2.6.10? |
| 13:43.17 | pzs | Right. Thanks. |
| 13:43.24 | resiak | pzs: :-) |
| 13:43.40 | kingk_ | I"m tring to add another OS on GRUB. I did grub> rootnoverify (hd1,0), then, grub>makeactive. But error "disk does not exist |
| 13:43.56 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: i could never get it to work... however there are two options for it in the config so make sure you enable both |
| 13:44.03 | pzs | It's just hard to tell whether it's dpkg or the package itself which is broken. |
| 13:44.23 | jm_ | no it's not |
| 13:44.30 | resiak | pzs: Well, there's one easy way: try installing another package. In any case, a dud package won't make dpkg segfault. |
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| 13:44.41 | ricky_clarkson | pzs: dpkg --help should eliminate the package. |
| 13:44.44 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Tell me that the Sid breakage you were hoping for has happened? |
| 13:44.52 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: Dunno. |
| 13:44.52 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon (is that your nick? My colors are crappy...) thanks, maybe i forgot one of them. I'll check that |
| 13:45.01 | ricky_clarkson | NiklasH_1ork: Add an underscore. |
| 13:45.01 | Simon_ | like ipt_MAC and ipt_mac one is for ht kernel and one is for the netfilter code |
| 13:45.03 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: I really hope so. It'll teach them all. |
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| 13:45.30 | NiklasH_1ork | ricky_clarskson thanks |
| 13:45.35 | NiklasH_1ork | *clarkson |
| 13:45.49 | pzs | Other packages are fine. |
| 13:45.50 | resiak | NiklasH_1ork: Learn to use tab completion. :-) |
| 13:45.59 | pzs | But it still seg faults on gs-common |
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| 13:46.08 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: I can't genuinely hope for bugs in software, it goes against my religion. |
| 13:46.12 | stew | NiklasH_1ork: #iptables would also probably be a better place to ask |
| 13:46.39 | ricky_clarkson | pzs: What output? (don't flood) |
| 13:46.39 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Fair enough. |
| 13:47.05 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: imo if sid was shittier, less people would use Debian. |
| 13:47.20 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Uh, I guess so. |
| 13:47.30 | NiklasH_1ork | thanks for the help, guys. I checked #netfilter, but that seems to be dead. Too little coffee in my head to think of #iptables... :) |
| 13:47.34 | ricky_clarkson | That might not be a bad thing, but I'm pretty ambivolent(sp?). |
| 13:47.41 | pzs | Sorry, it's gs-gpl, but here's the output |
| 13:47.51 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: what question do you have regarding iptables ? |
| 13:47.59 | Simon_ | i've used near on ALL the features |
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| 13:48.24 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ I'm trying to open my sshd for the mac of my home box, but it won't recognize it. |
| 13:48.32 | ricky_clarkson | pzs: Checked the bts for that package? |
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| 13:48.52 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: what is your rule ? |
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| 13:49.31 | NiklasH_1ork | This is what I try: iptables -A INPUT -m tcp --dport 22 -m mac --mac-source 12:34:AB:CD:DE:EF -j ACCEPT (fake MAC, since I'm paranoid ;) ) |
| 13:49.34 | xogon | they should rename osnews.com to ricerreviews.com |
| 13:49.45 | chitiri | what is the usage of /.dev, is it safe to delete it? where can i read about it |
| 13:49.46 | R1ck | how the f*ck am I ever going to install debian on this megaraid controller :| |
| 13:49.54 | pzs | The bts does not list any seg-fault severity problems |
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| 13:50.11 | ricky_clarkson | pzs: For gs-gpl? |
| 13:50.14 | pzs | no |
| 13:50.21 | ricky_clarkson | For what? |
| 13:50.28 | pzs | Most severe bug is about pdf printing (gs-gpl) |
| 13:50.34 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
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| 13:50.37 | jcoiron | hello |
| 13:50.41 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ And I've double-checked the mac address, so that's not it |
| 13:50.41 | ricky_clarkson | So by no, you meant 'yes'. Interesting. |
| 13:50.45 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: ok that looks fine to me however the packet counter doesn't increment ? |
| 13:51.06 | pzs | Sorry, you're right. My brain seems to be seg-faulting as well. |
| 13:51.08 | ricky_clarkson | pzs: Best log a bug then. |
| 13:51.09 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ How do you mean? |
| 13:51.09 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: iptables -Z INPUT, telnet localhost sshd, iptables -L INPUT -v, shows 1 packet ? |
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| 13:51.44 | ricky_clarkson | pzs: Meanwhile, you might want to try an older version of gs-gpl from somewhere like testing or stable. |
| 13:52.01 | ricky_clarkson | /quit |
| 13:52.23 | pzs | OK, thanks. I'll go and fight with it. |
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| 13:53.15 | towopo | OT: any one knows of videos of stark raving mad (Tony Shalhoub), a show that was killed for unknown reasons |
| 13:53.46 | ricky_clarkson | !tell Eleazar -about away |
| 13:53.49 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: if the rule generates no errors like "module mac not found" etc, then you need to put a rule that explicitly blocks the sshd connection and logs it.. so you can debug it |
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| 13:54.09 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ hard to tell, since I have a few other things running that I can't interrupt right now, but when I change the target to LOG, nothing shows up |
| 13:54.15 | sfm-paryl | how do I remove all records of a package from apt-get without doing remove? I installed the package from source after installing it using apt and now apt wants to 'update' it |
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| 13:54.42 | ricky_clarkson | sfm-paryl: Where did you install it from source? |
| 13:54.47 | ricky_clarkson | /usr/local? |
| 13:54.53 | PerfDave | sfm-paryl: Uhm, just remove it from apt. Because you *did* source-compile into /usr/local, right? So removing the apt package won't break anything. |
| 13:54.56 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ I have the module loaded, and my logs show nothing... But i'll try blocking instead |
| 13:54.58 | sanso | sfm-paryl, put it on hold (in aptitude that's hitting '=' IIRC) |
| 13:55.02 | PerfDave | sfm-paryl: And if you need it for dependency resolution, use equivs and pin. |
| 13:55.08 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: ...-p tcp --dport 22 -j LOG --log-prefix "[HERE IT IS] |
| 13:55.19 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: same as the previous rule but LOG it so you can see it |
| 13:55.29 | sfm-paryl | ah... but won't apt-get remove also remove the config files? |
| 13:55.30 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Might be better to apt-get source and patch the source, then build and install a package. |
| 13:55.41 | resiak | sfm-paryl: But, of course, you installed it all into /usr/local |
| 13:55.50 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: failing that you can just use tcpdump but the log ability of tables is the better way of doing it |
| 13:55.58 | PerfDave | sfm-paryl: Not unless you --purge. |
| 13:56.20 | sfm-paryl | so there's no way to just... clear apt's memory of the package? |
| 13:56.23 | PerfDave | Hmm, does stuff compiled into /usr/local use /usr/local/etc for configuration |
| 13:56.36 | sfm-paryl | perfdave: yes... at least this one does |
| 13:56.37 | kingk_ | hwo do I go back when navigating info pages with menus |
| 13:56.38 | PerfDave | sfm-paryl: Did you compile into /usr/local or not? |
| 13:56.41 | resiak | PerfDave: Yeah. |
| 13:56.44 | sfm-paryl | yes |
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| 13:56.54 | PerfDave | sfm-paryl: So just apt-get --purge remove the package and nothing will break. |
| 13:57.07 | sfm-paryl | ok, great |
| 13:57.09 | sfm-paryl | thanks! |
| 13:57.40 | stew | sfm-paryl: --purge will remove configuration files in /etc but not /usr/local/... |
| 13:57.44 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: iptables -P INPUT DROP ; iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp --dport 22 -m mac --mac-source 12:34:AB:CD:DE:EF -j ACCEPT ; iptables -I INPUT 2 -p tcp --dport 22 -j LOG --log-prefix "Here is the packet that is dropped" |
| 13:57.50 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: that should do it for you |
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| 14:00.19 | jethro | Simon_: mac address filtering is pointless |
| 14:00.36 | Simon_ | jethro: its not me that requires it. read NiklasH_1ork 's question. |
| 14:00.42 | quittt | !slackware |
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| 14:00.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, slackware is what we used to use before we had real distributions, or has 4,999 users, now that zatmac uses debian, or for the terminally masochistic, or like debian but without the good things, or the best linux distribution =), or smackware, or the best distrbution evar, or crackware |
| 14:00.43 | Simon_ | and yes you're right it is |
| 14:00.53 | jethro | NiklasH_1ork: mac address filtering is pointless |
| 14:00.57 | quittt | !debian |
| 14:00.57 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 14:00.59 | Simon_ | since its easy to completely violate any given rule by changing the MAC address. |
| 14:01.00 | quittt | !debian-br |
| 14:01.00 | dpkg | debian-br is, like, The Brazilian Debian Translation Project visit at: http://debian-br.cipsga.org.br or #debian-br |
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| 14:01.15 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ I tried logging, but nothing show up. I have policy drop and match state RELATED,ESTABLISHED. That shouldn't be any problems, right? |
| 14:01.17 | Simon_ | not to mention how easy it is to do the same without even going that far. |
| 14:01.30 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: if nothing showed up then it was accepted. |
| 14:01.36 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: run "nc -l 22" |
| 14:01.39 | grivell | !gentoo |
| 14:01.39 | dpkg | i guess gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. |
| 14:01.43 | grivell | lol |
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| 14:02.09 | Simon_ | gentoo is nice but i certainly agree with the part about not wanting to administrate more than two of. |
| 14:02.12 | Simon_ | for me ONE is enough. |
| 14:02.26 | jethro | one is already too much work |
| 14:02.30 | Simon_ | Heh. |
| 14:02.45 | grivell | One is a toy. More is a hassle. |
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| 14:02.47 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ but my home box doesn't get any response? |
| 14:03.00 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ that should be the DROP policy, i guess? |
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| 14:03.05 | jethro | hey greycat |
| 14:03.40 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: look. the packet was either accepted or it wasn't. the policy dictates that its dropped if it doesn't match an accept rule. you have ONE accept rule. if there is nothing in your log it was therefore accepted. its not your rules here that are at fault its something else. |
| 14:03.59 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: try simplifying the problem... use telnet, netcat and tcpdump. they're all you need. |
| 14:04.55 | Simon_ | grivell: it does make for a nice toy. certainly does have its quirks but i like it :) |
| 14:05.02 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ ok, thanks for the help. I'll look around a bit by myself. Cheers! |
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| 14:05.33 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: no worries. you're gonna need to learn to use those tools if you ever want to be able to diagnose any kind of networking problem. have fun! |
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| 14:06.03 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ yeah, i've looked a bit at them before, but now seems to be the time to use them for real :) |
| 14:06.04 | Simon_ | hping2 is also very good for testing your firewall if you ever get it working :P |
| 14:06.24 | Simon_ | NiklasH_1ork: the filters for tcpdump are very powerful. dont do what most people do and use grep! |
| 14:06.43 | Simon_ | when i say most i mean , noobs of course. |
| 14:06.47 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ will (won't?) do. |
| 14:07.06 | jethro | Simon_: using hping2 is harder then using iptables :) |
| 14:07.10 | NiklasH_1ork | Simon_ thanks for not writing n00bs :) |
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| 14:07.39 | quittt | is Debian i486 or i386?? |
| 14:07.49 | Gathond | quitt i386 |
| 14:08.12 | jharrisonwk | quittt: it runs on whatever the kernel supports |
| 14:08.17 | quittt | great! |
| 14:08.23 | quittt | jharrison, because Slackware isnt! |
| 14:08.59 | jharrisonwk | quittt: well there is no reason it should not unless the slackware guys have not ported it |
| 14:09.46 | jethro | Slackware is the slackers distro |
| 14:09.54 | Gathond | quitt there might be other things making most 386 not excatly suited, iird the installer needs 12 MB ram for instance |
| 14:10.04 | greycat | quittt: woody runs on a 386. sarge does not. |
| 14:10.09 | jharrisonwk | quittt: currently slackware runs on x86 and S/390 |
| 14:10.15 | jharrisonwk | quittt: as this link indicates |
| 14:10.18 | jharrisonwk | quittt: http://www.slackware.com/ports/ |
| 14:10.23 | quittt | jharrison, it is only i486 now |
| 14:10.38 | jharrisonwk | quittt: you are mistaken |
| 14:10.53 | jharrisonwk | quittt: what would be the point of slackware running on old i486? |
| 14:11.10 | FieldySnuts | what a silly quesiton |
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| 14:11.54 | greycat | yeah, it should've been "what would be the point of slackware" |
| 14:12.10 | kingk | how do I make grub boot the primary slave hd |
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| 14:12.37 | jharrisonwk | kingk: tell it to |
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| 14:12.43 | abrocadabro | how can i fix it if the ssh server says "stdin is not a tty?" |
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| 14:12.53 | FieldySnuts | "it"? |
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| 14:14.00 | jharrisonwk | FieldySnuts: yes "it" |
| 14:14.06 | Simon_ | god i haven't used slackware since '96 |
| 14:14.21 | kingk | jharrisonwk, how? |
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| 14:14.39 | jharrisonwk | kingk: man menu.lst |
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| 14:15.00 | jharrisonwk | hhmm |
| 14:15.03 | jharrisonwk | kingk: info grub |
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| 14:15.19 | kingk | jharrisonwk, I can't make sense of it |
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| 14:16.31 | Simon_ | the only thing i ever liked about slackware was the default solaris style shell prompt. |
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| 14:16.36 | Simon_ | which aint saying much. |
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| 14:16.58 | ricky_clarkson | Simon_: csh? |
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| 14:17.34 | Simon_ | i meant the actual prompt not the shell. i usually use korn shell. |
| 14:17.41 | ricky_clarkson | Right, gotcha. |
| 14:18.09 | Simon_ | ricky_clarkson: \u@\h:\w\$ |
| 14:18.15 | Simon_ | which is my favorite |
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| 14:19.00 | Simon_ | wow. i really DID drink way too much last night.. this hangover's taking its toll. |
| 14:19.13 | stew | Simon_: you realize that is debian's default prompt as well, right? |
| 14:19.20 | Simon_ | stew: yes i know. |
| 14:19.21 | stein | Problem with two gfx cards. Is this the correct channel ? Details : both work independently, but not at the same time. |
| 14:19.27 | snail | I'm running unstable and currently my mime type appear to be all messed up. how do I set / change which applications are invoked to handle http: and mailto: url ands different file types? |
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| 14:19.29 | chugga | this bash is too slow. any ideas on how what to do? |
| 14:19.46 | ricky_clarkson | [\u@\h \W]\$ |
| 14:19.51 | ricky_clarkson | Simon_: ^^ |
| 14:20.05 | SlayerXP | chugga: use a different one |
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| 14:20.14 | njan | snail, update-mime-database /usr/share/mime |
| 14:20.18 | Simon_ | stew: I was just saying that when i first saw slackware it was the prompt that appealed to me the most. some of the distro's back in '96 had really silly prompts. |
| 14:20.27 | snail | njan thanks. |
| 14:20.34 | Simon_ | and i didn't try debian until perhaps 99/2000 |
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| 14:20.50 | njan | snail, yvw. I've had that happen to me twice, and I forgot what I did for the second time, so I made a note of it; it might be worth you doing the same :p |
| 14:21.11 | stew | gotcha, i personally like the same prompt but with a newline at the end which lets me triple click to get a path in the clipboard which i can past onto a scp command or whatever |
| 14:21.15 | stew | Simon_: ^^ |
| 14:21.22 | chugga | SlayerXP, how do i compile my bash? will apt do that for me? |
| 14:21.33 | chitiri | what is the usage of /.dev? |
| 14:21.34 | SlayerXP | chugga: why would it? |
| 14:21.39 | chugga | SlayerXP, gentoo would |
| 14:21.41 | Simon_ | to be honest i have no idea what distros' there are these days since there seems to be so many of them. it was debians philosophy and common sense that appealed to me back then and of course now (oh .. and that fact that apt rules) |
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| 14:21.48 | stew | chugga: why would you want to compile it? |
| 14:21.49 | SlayerXP | chugga: this is debian, not gentoo |
| 14:21.56 | chugga | so it gets faster. duh. |
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| 14:22.08 | chugga | its too slow right now, it takes a full second to start |
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| 14:22.14 | Simon_ | stew: oh right, that's an idea. |
| 14:22.20 | SlayerXP | chugga: the average bash shell spends 99.95% of its time doing nothing but waiting for user input. why does it need to do that faster? |
| 14:22.24 | resiak | !gentoosmite chugga |
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| 14:22.27 | PerfDave | chugga: You think compiling it will make it run faster? |
| 14:22.35 | zeeble | what do you mean bash takes a fill second to start? maybe your puter is slow. maybe something else is the bottleneck |
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| 14:22.40 | stew | chugga: i doub't you would make it noticably faster by compiling |
| 14:22.42 | chugga | PerfDave, hopefully? i've had a quicker, much quicker bash before |
| 14:22.44 | stew | s/'// |
| 14:22.59 | chugga | SlayerXP, yeah, im not worried about that. just load up speed |
| 14:23.04 | stew | chugga: what compile options would you change? |
| 14:23.07 | SlayerXP | chugga: you're a fool, please use a different linux distro. |
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| 14:23.12 | PerfDave | chugga: Just use sh. |
| 14:23.13 | Simon_ | chugga: lol. bash has a large startup time ? |
| 14:23.15 | resiak | chugga: If your bash load speed is noticable, you must be running it on a cow. |
| 14:23.27 | Simon_ | resiak: lol. my sentiments exactly. |
| 14:23.27 | chugga | it takes a full second, like i said |
| 14:23.29 | PerfDave | chugga: You could just prelink bash. |
| 14:23.29 | chugga | how fast are yours? |
| 14:23.36 | stew | chugga: i'd sooner blame your .bashrc and the like |
| 14:23.36 | chugga | PerfDave, ok. im listening |
| 14:23.39 | resiak | chugga: For smeg's sake, man. Are you sure it's not your terminal? |
| 14:23.40 | zeeble | mine are fast enough. |
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| 14:24.14 | chugga | sh is much faster. so no, its not my terminal |
| 14:24.25 | kraftwerk | hey, where can i define how my debian-package should be named after building it with "dpkg-deb --build directory/"? all my generated debian-packages named automatically ".deb"... :-( |
| 14:24.38 | ricky_clarkson | chugga: Create a new user. Delete their ~/.bash*. Try stuff. |
| 14:24.53 | chugga | Ricky, my bashrc has two lines |
| 14:24.53 | resiak | !apt-build |
| 14:24.54 | dpkg | [apt-build] an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 14:24.57 | greycat | kraftwerk: package versions and so on are defined by the files in the debian/ subdirectory. Specifically, versions are defined in debian/changelog |
| 14:24.59 | chugga | # /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 14:24.59 | chugga | [ -f /etc/profile ] && . /etc/profile |
| 14:25.04 | chugga | and one of them is a comment... |
| 14:25.06 | SlayerXP | postel:~# time bash --version | grep 0m0 |
| 14:25.06 | SlayerXP | real 0m0.005s |
| 14:25.06 | SlayerXP | user 0m0.000s |
| 14:25.07 | SlayerXP | sys 0m0.000s |
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| 14:25.14 | SlayerXP | bah |
| 14:25.23 | SlayerXP | that's on a 1ghz c4 processor |
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| 14:25.34 | SlayerXP | c3 even |
| 14:25.34 | stew | i get the same real time as Slayer (i did bash -c echo) and thats on a pentium 133 |
| 14:25.38 | chugga | mine is an order of magnitude slower :( |
| 14:25.49 | chugga | real 0m0.011s |
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| 14:25.59 | abrotman | on what? .. a P100 ? |
| 14:26.03 | resiak | chugga: Oh for smeg's sake, 0.01 seconds is NOTHING. |
| 14:26.03 | SlayerXP | that's not an order of magnitude slower |
| 14:26.03 | chugga | P3 |
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| 14:26.11 | stew | chugga: so it takes 10 miliseconds and you are complaining? |
| 14:26.18 | abrotman | chugga: you obviously need a new sound card if your bash shell is that slow |
| 14:26.19 | chugga | resiak, yeah. but it seems plenty slow. im used to hitting a key and have it bring up an xterm |
| 14:26.20 | resiak | !tell chugga about apt-build |
| 14:26.22 | jm_ | you can't even detect that :) |
| 14:26.29 | Simon_ | LMAO this conversation is surreal. |
| 14:26.33 | kraftwerk | gradzac: ah ok. so i have to make a debian/changelog-file an put a version in it? (i've got a sample for a changelog-file). |
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| 14:26.40 | resiak | chugga: If bash is taking 10 milliseconds, it _is_ your term, not your shell. |
| 14:26.42 | Gathond | chugga: unless that result scales to all processes who cares |
| 14:26.52 | kraftwerk | greycat: ah ok. so i have to make a debian/changelog-file an put a version in it? (i've got a sample for a changelog-file). |
| 14:26.52 | chugga | resiak, but i can start sh in a fraction of the time |
| 14:27.00 | resiak | chugga: Anyway, if you insist, read the stuff that dpkg just told you. |
| 14:27.05 | Simon_ | chugga: is your time really that important ? heh :-P |
| 14:27.06 | chugga | ok |
| 14:27.14 | Simon_ | i mean what else would you be doing in those 10 milisecs ? |
| 14:27.21 | abrotman | resiak: i've got a cyrix200 that takes .024 for that :) |
| 14:27.22 | Occulis | attacking |
| 14:27.31 | SlayerXP | Simon_: clearly he's an open source luminary who's time is invaluable to the human race |
| 14:27.38 | Simon_ | chugga: just use ash if speed is important |
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| 14:27.48 | Occulis | yoiu could equip yourself in helmets (on both heads) and attack a thing in 0.10 seconds |
| 14:27.53 | asg | SlayerXP: and that's why he's wasting it yackin' in irc? |
| 14:27.54 | chugga | typing stuff in my shell. its usually quicker for me to start a new xterm and type the commands than look for an already running one |
| 14:27.55 | resiak | abrotman: Heh. Hang on, it starts ?term in .024? |
| 14:28.11 | SlayerXP | Simon_: another option is that he's a clueless moron, who's been brainwashed by gentoo users |
| 14:28.24 | resiak | chugga: Go, recompile bash. It _won't_ be any faster. |
| 14:28.25 | abrotman | resiak: no ... $ time bash --version .. you think i'd run X on a cyrix200 ? |
| 14:28.26 | SlayerXP | whos for "2" ? |
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| 14:28.30 | chugga | no i only know one gentoo user and hes a great guy .. dont say anything bad about him please |
| 14:28.31 | jethro | a quick question on aptitude, I just aptitude update'ed then aptitude upgrade'ed and it wants to remove vim/vim-common, telling me they are not used, tho I use vim as my $editor, why is that? |
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| 14:28.37 | eugenesan | hi all, how can i change nice priority of sh-script in script itself? |
| 14:28.39 | resiak | abrotman: Heh, fair enough. |
| 14:28.41 | jethro | (new to aptitude) |
| 14:28.41 | SlayerXP | chugga: I'm talking about you, not him |
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| 14:28.55 | resiak | jethro: aptitude doesn't think you want vim. |
| 14:28.56 | abrotman | resiak: that said .. on a Dual PPro 200 .. takes .015 :) |
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| 14:29.06 | resiak | abrotman: Heh. |
| 14:29.07 | jethro | resiak: how can I tell it I *do* want vim |
| 14:29.28 | resiak | jethro: I don't know. I don't use aptitude for this very reason. aptitude install vim ? |
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| 14:29.37 | jcalavia | hi |
| 14:29.46 | jethro | resiak: but it is installed .. does aptitude suck that much? |
| 14:29.50 | abrotman | jethro: you could let it go then reinstall it |
| 14:29.54 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 14:29.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 14:30.08 | jethro | abrotman: of course I could, but it's not the behavior I was expecting :) |
| 14:30.24 | Simon_ | SlayerXP: well gentoo has some advantages fair enough.. but a compiled bash shell optimised for the architecture and stripped of any uncesssary compile time options will NOT be something that on initialisation time alone , cause any interesting or even significant benchmark findings. perhaps this gentoo proselytisment does actually exist after all and its not just rumour :P |
| 14:30.26 | resiak | jethro: It's because you probably didn't explicitly install vim. |
| 14:30.29 | jcalavia | i've a problem installing my usb camera. someone can help me to configure it? |
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| 14:30.55 | jethro | resiak: you mean with aptitude? cause I explicitely typed "apt-get install vim" a while ago :) |
| 14:31.02 | stew | jcalavia: what have you tried so far... |
| 14:31.08 | abrotman | doesn't aptitude keep its own db ? |
| 14:31.15 | resiak | jethro: See abrotman :) |
| 14:31.17 | jethro | tss |
| 14:31.27 | abrotman | more like FFS |
| 14:31.37 | stew | jcalavia: have you read /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2/*? |
| 14:31.40 | Simon_ | as someone here said a lil' while ago.. it makes for a nice "toy" to play with. |
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| 14:32.02 | jcalavia | i've found that the camera behaves like an usvb massive storage but don't know how to configure it |
| 14:32.10 | abrotman | !usb-storage |
| 14:32.10 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 14:32.20 | snail | njan: i've rerun that and regenerated all the files there. what I still need to be able to do is edit which application gets called fro the different mime type. do you know where that information is stored? |
| 14:32.26 | jeaneid | xscreensaver uses too much cpu. |
| 14:32.35 | jcalavia | ok , i'll go |
| 14:32.37 | zeeble | heh |
| 14:32.40 | jcalavia | thanks |
| 14:32.41 | abrotman | go? |
| 14:32.53 | abrotman | !tell jcalavia about usb-storage |
| 14:32.55 | chugga | SlayerXP, i dont think the --version thing measures it very well .. that doesnt get very far in the main() function |
| 14:32.59 | xpato | how much memory the 2.4 linux kernels support |
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| 14:33.13 | stew | hmm, that factiod should possibly be s/mnt/media/g for fhs compliance, but i'm not going mess with it just now |
| 14:33.15 | abrotman | xpato: depends :) |
| 14:33.28 | resiak | chugga: time echo 'echo hello world' | bash |
| 14:33.33 | SlayerXP | chugga: you were whining about load times. that's how long it took to load bash |
| 14:34.00 | Simon_ | a whopping great 10 miliseconds |
| 14:34.03 | chugga | resiak, ok. so that is much quicker than when i just plain run bash |
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| 14:34.09 | chugga | so is it my terminal? |
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| 14:34.17 | resiak | jethro: Hah, aptitude wants to replace my vim-gnome with kvim. |
| 14:34.18 | SlayerXP | !cluedrill chugga |
| 14:34.18 | abrotman | chugga: you're running kde aren't you? |
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| 14:34.33 | chugga | abrotman, no, just kicker |
| 14:34.33 | Coke | chugga: could it be something to do with network? bash trying to resolve some hostname or something? |
| 14:34.34 | jethro | resiak: you must bu kidding me |
| 14:34.36 | Simon_ | lol @ dpkg |
| 14:34.38 | zeeble | haha |
| 14:34.38 | jethro | s/bu/be/ |
| 14:34.39 | resiak | chugga: In other words, yes. |
| 14:34.40 | abrotman | chugga: but still part of KDE? |
| 14:34.42 | resiak | !lol |
| 14:34.42 | dpkg | it has been said that lol is Loser On Line, good work resiak, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 14:34.47 | win32 | bleh. latest unstable libxml2 broke dcgui-qt |
| 14:34.47 | zeeble | you're running KDE and blaming bash? |
| 14:34.51 | abrotman | chugga: are you're bitching your Term is slow? .. you're truly an idiot |
| 14:34.52 | alexcs | hi |
| 14:34.55 | abrotman | err and |
| 14:35.08 | chugga | Coke, how do i check that |
| 14:35.08 | alexcs | do you know brazilian distribution kurumin, based on debian? |
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| 14:35.17 | Coke | chugga: strace bash |
| 14:35.18 | asg | alexcs: #kurumin does |
| 14:35.20 | resiak | !debian based |
| 14:35.21 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 14:35.29 | jm_ | chugga: why not try another terminal first? |
| 14:35.52 | PerfDave | !kurumin |
| 14:35.53 | jethro | linspire, the former lindows os? it's based on debian? |
| 14:35.54 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 14:35.56 | chugga | jm_, do you mean shell? |
| 14:35.58 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 14:35.59 | jethro | hahahah |
| 14:36.05 | Coke | chugga: strace -s 512 -f bash |
| 14:36.13 | zeeble | chugga: do Ctrl Alt F1/F2 goto a terminal and check out bash. |
| 14:36.13 | elephantman | Does scp keeps sym links during transfert ? |
| 14:36.18 | Halahad | how to setup an internet connection sharing |
| 14:36.19 | chugga | abrotman, that was overly harsh :-| |
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| 14:36.20 | Simon_ | ok finally installed openoffice lets see if it can read these st00pid word documents |
| 14:36.29 | asg | elephantman: try it and see |
| 14:36.29 | resiak | chugga: Go use fluxbox or something if you care that much about speed. |
| 14:36.38 | jethro | heya asg |
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| 14:36.50 | abrotman | chugga: not really .. you're complaining your shit is slow .. but you're running an obviously bloated desktop environment .. if you want speed .. use something designed for speed |
| 14:36.53 | PerfDave | resiak, chugga: Or turn off anti-aliasing in KDE which makes it about three times faster on old machine. |
| 14:37.07 | alexcs | ok, I am not trying to get help, just inviting you to #kurumin. By the way, kurumin *is* Debian. It uses .deb packages and structure, and its sources.list is pointed to ftp.debian.org... |
| 14:37.08 | resiak | PerfDave: Yeah, well, flux is still faster :-) |
| 14:37.16 | alexcs | Kurumin is a Debian |
| 14:37.19 | chugga | resiak, im using blackbox! |
| 14:37.20 | asg | jethro: hiya, how are things in the office today? |
| 14:37.20 | resiak | alexcs: No, Kurumin _isn't_ Debian. |
| 14:37.23 | greycat | alexcs: go the fuck away. |
| 14:37.24 | abrotman | chugga: how much RAM do you have .. what's the speed of your HDD .. video ram is? .. CPU speed .. these are all factors .. and running KDE will not speed things up |
| 14:37.25 | resiak | alexcs: There is only one Debian. |
| 14:37.25 | elephantman | asg: ok |
| 14:37.27 | stew | chugga: try rxvt and see if it makes a difference |
| 14:37.28 | directhex|work | !notdeb Kurumin |
| 14:37.29 | ciga | I want a user's crontab email to go to root instead. is there a way to do so? |
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| 14:37.34 | directhex|work | !nondeb Kurumin |
| 14:37.35 | dpkg | Go to channel #Kurumin for help with Kurumin. If Kurumin were Debian, it would be called Debian and not Kurumin. |
| 14:37.38 | greycat | ciga: man 5 crontab, look for EMAIL |
| 14:37.39 | asg | elephantman: if it doesn't work, use rsync + ssh or tar + ssh |
| 14:37.50 | alexcs | :) |
| 14:37.54 | ciga | greycat: thanks |
| 14:37.55 | incorrect | by the looks for it, sarge must be very close to a release? |
| 14:37.57 | jethro | asg: better then yesterday definitely :) |
| 14:37.58 | resiak | !wwsr |
| 14:37.59 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
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| 14:38.01 | PerfDave | resiak: No, there is the holy trinity of Woody, Sarge and Sid. The three in one Debian, the one in three branches. |
| 14:38.01 | chugga | abrotman, no no, i wish i could run KDE properly but at the moment i can only afford to run kicker (the kde menu bar thingy on the bottom) |
| 14:38.03 | elephantman | asg: ok thanks |
| 14:38.08 | abrotman | chugga: and if you're running kicker .. you're started a good chunk of KDE .. just like starting nautilus starts a sick amount of Gnome |
| 14:38.09 | ThePiratemaster | dns use wich port? |
| 14:38.09 | asg | jethro: ah :) |
| 14:38.09 | resiak | PerfDave: Heh, fair enough. |
| 14:38.09 | greycat | ciga: correction: MAILTO, not EMAIL |
| 14:38.13 | asg | elephantman: you're welcome |
| 14:38.13 | stew | incorrect: what are you looking at? |
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| 14:38.24 | jethro | asg: had a few assholes to cope with yesterday, but they're gone :) |
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| 14:38.30 | stew | incorrect: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 14:38.33 | PoWeRKiLL | hi |
| 14:38.33 | chugga | stew, i use Eterm - the best term in the universe :) |
| 14:38.38 | asg | ThePiratemaster: 53 udp (and sometimes tcp) |
| 14:38.40 | jethro | !best |
| 14:38.41 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 14:38.43 | abrotman | chugga: i'm trying to be helpful here .. if you want something faster .. stop using kicker .. |
| 14:38.46 | zeeble | chugga: then why not run a light window manager that will run, like icewm, or xfce4? |
| 14:38.47 | incorrect | stew, yeah im looking at that |
| 14:38.47 | abrotman | oh god .. Eterm?> |
| 14:38.48 | asg | jethro: yeah, me too. |
| 14:38.53 | PerfDave | chugga: The fuck? Eterm is bloated as all unholy hell! |
| 14:38.56 | stew | chugga: possibly most bloated term available, |
| 14:38.56 | zeeble | eterm is light? eterm is the best? |
| 14:38.57 | zeeble | hahaha |
| 14:39.00 | incorrect | stew, its looking very promising :) |
| 14:39.01 | resiak | chugga: You use Eterm and complain about speed? hahah. |
| 14:39.02 | PoWeRKiLL | how do I change the default Ctrl-A in screen command ? |
| 14:39.07 | greycat | WHY is chugga still here trolling? |
| 14:39.07 | ThePiratemaster | !win asg |
| 14:39.08 | resiak | PoWeRKiLL: man screen |
| 14:39.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won the US presidency! |
| 14:39.10 | PerfDave | Eterm makes Konsole look lean and stripped-down ;) |
| 14:39.15 | stew | incorrect: there are more rc bugs than there were 6 months ago |
| 14:39.16 | ThePiratemaster | thnx |
| 14:39.17 | PerfDave | greycat: Because you haven't +q'd him yet? :) |
| 14:39.19 | chugga | greycat, im not trolling |
| 14:39.23 | greycat | chugga: bullshit. |
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| 14:39.26 | asg | ThePiratemaster: in the future, grepping through /etc/services will also provide such answers |
| 14:39.27 | abrotman | chugga: you are |
| 14:39.28 | resiak | PoWeRKiLL: Specifically, look for -e |
| 14:39.31 | ThePiratemaster | me neither |
| 14:39.34 | njan | greycat, he's not trolling, he's actually being given crap by everyone else in the channel :) |
| 14:39.34 | greycat | chugga: every time I look at this window and see you, you're in the middle of a fucking war. |
| 14:39.36 | incorrect | does anyone use debootstrap to install their systems? |
| 14:39.42 | ThePiratemaster | !win you_two |
| 14:39.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, you_two! You have won the US presidency! |
| 14:39.43 | njan | greycat, he may be stupid, but that isn't the same thing :) |
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| 14:39.48 | stew | incorrect: lots of people |
| 14:39.48 | alexcs | greycat: Why go the fuck away? why are you so mad about? |
| 14:39.52 | chugga | greycat, theres no war - we're discussing Eterm |
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| 14:40.03 | abrotman | njan: but he's being inflamatory on purpose .. and it's been going on for days |
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| 14:40.13 | stew | oh boy |
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| 14:40.17 | Simon_ | i use gnome-terminal im not sure how lightweight that is but then usually i use pty and screen |
| 14:40.19 | greycat | alexcs: 1) you spammed us with some other distro. 2) you claimed your other distro "is debian". 3) you didn't read /topic or the FAQ (such as it is now that your other spamming friends have destroyed our wiki) |
| 14:40.24 | chugga | ok, im gonna go compile my bash and see if makes a difference. brb. |
| 14:40.28 | resiak | Simon_: Insanely slow. |
| 14:40.32 | kingk | How do you get grub to boot a Windos OS on the prim slave HD. I tried rootnoverify (dh1,0), makeactive, chainloader +1. But it didn't work. Pleasehelp |
| 14:40.56 | asg | kingk: did you type 'dh1' or 'hd1'? |
| 14:40.58 | incorrect | stew, i must admit it does seem very sweet, you wouldn't know if there is a live debian cd with debootstrap? |
| 14:41.00 | R | bob2: tried the kernel 2.4.27 from sarge (downloaded patches source and made some small changes... mostly in network options)... no change, I really have no idea what the ^(*@ i'm doing wrong |
| 14:41.01 | zeeble | if someone is clued enough to compile bash, its sad hey have to complain about it being slow :/ |
| 14:41.03 | abrotman | kingk: google "debian grub install myrdrin" |
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| 14:41.08 | resiak | kingk: apt-get install grub-doc; info grub; read the bit about booting Windows from non-first disks. |
| 14:41.12 | kingk | hd one |
| 14:41.24 | Simon_ | resiak: i only load up gnome when i want to impress windows users , the type that base the quality of a product on what it looks liek rather than how it performs or its suitability for the task.. its adherence to standards and all the other thigns which win32 is and linux is not. |
| 14:41.27 | directhex|work | greycat, you don't like sailor moon hentai? |
| 14:41.29 | stew | incorrect: i know for sure that knoppix and ubuntu come with debbootstrap |
| 14:41.38 | stew | incorrect: but there is no debian livecd |
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| 14:41.54 | snail | njan: sorted. i need to set the BROWSER variable |
| 14:41.56 | njan | abrotman, maybe. If he has, I haven't seen him. The response to his questions about terminals has been way over the top. |
| 14:41.59 | asg | incorrect: of course, you can make your own custom debian live cds painlessly with the bootcd package. |
| 14:42.05 | Simon_ | is knoppix the CDROM based linux distro ? |
| 14:42.06 | resiak | Simon_: Well then. Use rxvt at other times :=) |
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| 14:42.11 | Simon_ | resiak: :) |
| 14:42.11 | resiak | Simon_: One of the many. |
| 14:42.11 | abrotman | njan: because he's been trolling for days .... |
| 14:42.13 | alexcs | What's your definition of spam? I invited you, not spammed you. And about Kurumin=debian, it's just a point of view. Is there democracy on this chat room? |
| 14:42.13 | kingk | resiak, I hear ya, I also put map (hd0) (hd1), map (hd1) (hd0) |
| 14:42.17 | njan | abrotman, just because someone's new and asks lots of questions which don't make sense to you, that doesn't mean they're trolling. |
| 14:42.25 | zeeble | njan: if you were reading, his question was about "bash" being slow. not terminals. |
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| 14:42.28 | njan | abrotman, but again, like I said, I haven't seen either way. I only have this conversation to go by |
| 14:42.30 | resiak | alexcs: No, it's not a point of view, it's _wrong_. |
| 14:42.30 | abrotman | njan: they do make sense .. and like i said .. he's been at it for days |
| 14:42.33 | asg | alexcs: no, irc is not a democracy |
| 14:42.41 | njan | zeeble, and for someone who doesn't know much about linux, that's about what I'd expect. |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | njan: he started on me a few days ago .. i don't remember what for anymore .. but he's been doing it for days |
| 14:43.08 | zeeble | njan: no. he can compile 'bash'. that's fairly decent knowledge. |
| 14:43.12 | sanso | alexcs, that is not a point of view. If it were debian, it would be called debian, now could you just stop whining? |
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| 14:43.19 | alexcs | ok, it's wrong. And now what? you'll kick me off because of that? |
| 14:43.25 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Meet dondelelcaro at SCALE 3x [2/12/05] |
| 14:43.25 | R | anyone here willing to review my kernel-config to see where I might be messing things up? |
| 14:43.26 | njan | abrotman, again, like I said, I only have this conversation to go by. But if you measure your response to something someone by something they said days ago, you're the one at fault, not him. |
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| 14:44.01 | abrotman | njan: no .. actually .. it shows a repeated pattern .. i'm not at fault at all |
| 14:44.08 | njan | zeeble, then he may just be totally unable to troubleshoot a unix/linux system. That still doesn't make him a troll. again, as I pointed out to abrotman, I haven't seen his case history, I just didn't think peoples reaction to what I saw as a fairly reasonable question to be terribly fair. |
| 14:44.08 | stew | njan: abrotman, everyone, lets just drop it for now... |
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| 14:44.13 | njan | stew, agreed :) |
| 14:44.28 | abrotman | njan: if your gf cheated on you last week .. and then again today .. maybe you should dump her |
| 14:44.49 | directhex|work | greycat, i think the list is a little short - http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence |
| 14:45.11 | Simon_ | abrotman: how come you know _so_ much about his girlfriend and her whereabouts last week? :-P |
| 14:45.16 | chugga | njan, abrotman is ok, im sorry guys. i should keep my silly problems to myself |
| 14:45.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:45.29 | greycat | directhex|work: I added /Kurumin because of recent trolling/spamming. |
| 14:45.42 | abrotman | chugga: we're not saying that .. but you're not measuring bash directly .. you're going through a crap load of layerts to get to bash |
| 14:45.45 | directhex|work | greycat, we get Kanotix occasionally too |
| 14:45.51 | greycat | if we tried to fit ALL of the not-Debian distros in the /topic they'd not fit.... |
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| 14:45.57 | njan | abrotman, poor analagy ;) |
| 14:46.03 | zeeble | heh |
| 14:46.04 | abrotman | njan: right .. if you say so |
| 14:46.10 | ricky_clarkson | !not support |
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| 14:46.23 | chugga | abrotman, you are right about that, thats why i started bash from a running bash shell and it was still sluggish |
| 14:46.34 | abrotman | from an eterm? |
| 14:46.37 | abrotman | an xterm? |
| 14:46.41 | chugga | yes, Eterm |
| 14:46.46 | greycat | it's ETERM that's slow, not bash. |
| 14:46.57 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting Kanotix |
| 14:46.58 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support Kanotix too. Try #Kanotix or donating money to charity. |
| 14:47.01 | chugga | grey, but running sh from there starts instantenously |
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| 14:47.09 | greycat | chugga: then it's your dot-files. |
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| 14:47.25 | chugga | grey, i tried deleting it and same thing. maybe its the global file thats at fault |
| 14:47.30 | greycat | sh *is* bash, just with a different set of rules about what it invokes at start-up, etc. |
| 14:47.36 | abrotman | chugga: Eterm is a fairly heavy xterm-ish terminal .. it supports crap like 'transparency',etc |
| 14:47.36 | humbolt | is there a tool in debian sarge that mounts my usbstick, ... on plugin, creates the proper fstab entries, ... ?? |
| 14:47.41 | chugga | grey, oh? |
| 14:47.45 | greycat | ls -ld /bin/sh |
| 14:48.03 | resiak | humbolt: gnome-volume-manager, if you're on gnome. |
| 14:48.04 | directhex|work | humbolt, yes, but they're messy. |
| 14:48.07 | greycat | (that is... sh *is* bash in a default Debian installation) |
| 14:48.08 | ricky_clarkson | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jul 23 2003 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 14:48.09 | chugga | wow. so it must be my .dot files then |
| 14:48.19 | greycat | or you turned on that autocompletion crap. |
| 14:48.19 | humbolt | kde?? |
| 14:48.24 | directhex|work | humbolt, see what resiak said. being in the plugdev group helps. |
| 14:48.32 | greycat | I'd imagine the autocompletion stuff could really be a hog |
| 14:48.35 | chugga | grey, i have file name completion enabled |
| 14:48.37 | humbolt | I heard good things from gnome-volume-manager |
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| 14:48.47 | directhex|work | humbolt, i like it, i use it on xfce4 |
| 14:48.50 | scarynetworkguy | chugga: Have you tried from a xterm. Granted I've had no problems with Eterm but YMMV. |
| 14:48.52 | sanso | humbolt, udev creates the device-files, You could use autofs |
| 14:49.03 | resiak | directhex|work: What does it do about umounting? |
| 14:49.04 | abrotman | someday i'll have directhex|work explain that gnome-volume thingie :) |
| 14:49.10 | sanso | bye people :) |
| 14:49.11 | chugga | scary, yes, same thing |
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| 14:49.16 | humbolt | does autofs unmount on timeout? |
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| 14:49.28 | directhex|work | resiak, nothing flashy, but doesn't seem to moan if you violently unplug the thing without asking nicely first |
| 14:49.41 | resiak | directhex|work: Well, your filesystem might :-) |
| 14:49.43 | directhex|work | resiak, gf's laptop has a VERY dodgy usb port, didn't seem to really care |
| 14:49.49 | humbolt | does anybody know why supermount does not make it into the kernel? |
| 14:50.03 | resiak | humbolt: FGI |
| 14:50.14 | chugga | greycat, i've just checked. bash_completion IS enabled |
| 14:50.18 | resiak | chugga: Then that's why. |
| 14:50.24 | resiak | chugga: bash_completion is _insanely_ slow. |
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| 14:50.37 | humbolt | FGI?? |
| 14:50.42 | chugga | resiak, ok, i have to disable this crap now. thanks guys :) |
| 14:50.43 | resiak | humbolt: Google it. |
| 14:50.44 | scarynetworkguy | !fgi |
| 14:50.45 | dpkg | hmm... fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 14:50.48 | ricky_clarkson | Fashion Group International |
| 14:51.09 | asg | ricky_clarkson: Vyv got a new hamseter? |
| 14:51.28 | elephantman | How can i desactivate the "bip" made by the computer when autocompletion needs more character ("tab") in the shell ? |
| 14:51.35 | asg | ricky_clarkson: don't remember the Young Ones eh? |
| 14:51.46 | ricky_clarkson | asg: I'm too Young. |
| 14:51.47 | greycat | elephantman: /msg dpkg bell |
| 14:51.51 | greycat | elephantman: or use vi mode instead of emacs mode. |
| 14:52.02 | ricky_clarkson | I've seen the Young Ones, but Rick Whatever is a complete tosser. |
| 14:52.04 | greycat | I think the bash developers must HATE emacs users, because they made bash beep in emacs mode but not in vi mode. |
| 14:52.07 | elephantman | greycat: ok thank a lot - gonna check this |
| 14:52.09 | asg | ricky_clarkson: ah, okay (the punk character in the show had a hamster named 'Special Patrol Group') |
| 14:52.10 | Simon_ | Rick Mayall |
| 14:52.15 | ricky_clarkson | That's it. |
| 14:52.16 | Simon_ | he was funnier in "Bottom" |
| 14:52.31 | ricky_clarkson | Bottom was (pardon the pun) shit too. |
| 14:52.40 | zakame | greycat: heh |
| 14:52.54 | asg | Simon_: it wasn't rick, it was Ade Edmondson |
| 14:53.05 | Simon_ | The only thing i've ever found truly funny was Red Dwarf |
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| 14:53.33 | Simon_ | My god i rememebr one episode i almost had to leave the room i was laughing so much i couldn't breathe |
| 14:53.41 | Simon_ | these days i only get the same effect when i see my pay check. |
| 14:53.42 | njan | greycat, doesn't everyone? :p |
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| 14:55.08 | jethro | eterm is not only slow, it's also ugly |
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| 14:56.04 | chugga | jethro, you can make it pretty with a little effort |
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| 14:56.18 | jason^ | are there sarge iso's available? |
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| 14:56.39 | Simon_ | jethro: people just like the transparency |
| 14:56.42 | Simon_ | that's all. |
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| 14:56.47 | resiak | !d-i jason^ |
| 14:56.48 | dpkg | jason^, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:56.49 | Simon_ | i agree its shite. |
| 14:56.50 | greycat | jason^: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:56.50 | elephantman | greycat: thanks - it was "xset b off" |
| 14:56.52 | chugga | jethro, i think xterm, rxvt and Eterm are pretty much the same in terms of speed. Konsole on the other hand... |
| 14:56.53 | scarynetworkguy | !tell jason^ about d-i |
| 14:57.08 | Simon_ | chugga: eterm is bloatware. |
| 14:57.17 | Simon_ | just like Enlightenment. |
| 14:57.20 | chugga | Simon_, feature wise? |
| 14:57.23 | ricky_clarkson | jason^: Hey, you might want to try messaging a bot and asking him about d-i |
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| 14:58.16 | zeeble | jason^: yeah, 15 sarge isos built every week are available. but download the netinstall iso and go ahead. works great. |
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| 14:58.49 | jethro | hah |
| 14:58.52 | jethro | nice quit message |
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| 14:59.01 | chugga | WHOA. now bash is sexily fast :) Thanks debian! |
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| 14:59.15 | PoWeRKiLL | thanks resiak |
| 14:59.15 | zeeble | chugga: and what's wrong with your kde? |
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| 14:59.30 | chugga | zeeble, i dont think i have enough memory for it (256mb) |
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| 14:59.40 | greycat | that's enough RAM |
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| 15:00.00 | zeeble | chugga: umm, i have 256M too but it works fine. just turn off all the useless bells and whistles in KDE using its control centre |
| 15:00.06 | zeeble | chugga: or try xfce :p its fast |
| 15:00.09 | chugga | grey i also run xmms, xchat, webbrowser a couple of Eterms, gaim etc .. it all adds up |
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| 15:00.20 | chugga | zeeble blackbox is just fine thankyou :) |
| 15:00.23 | sunai | having assigned my machine two public IPs, how can I control which of these IPs will be used by programs/servers initiating an outbound connection? |
| 15:00.32 | SlayerXP | chugga: buy a dual opteron 242 with 2gb of RAM. then you won't give a crap. |
| 15:00.32 | zeeble | chugga: great. blackbox is even better |
| 15:00.35 | SlayerXP | rather like me. |
| 15:00.39 | zeeble | SlayerXP: haha |
| 15:00.39 | jethro | ion > * |
| 15:00.44 | jethro | !start a wm war |
| 15:00.44 | dpkg | fvwm95 makes me vomit! |
| 15:00.46 | gaim_Ta1 | hell, even a dual opteron 240 with 1gb of ram would be ok |
| 15:00.47 | chugga | SlayerXP, yeah hmm. |
| 15:00.50 | gaim_Ta1 | like mine :-P |
| 15:00.52 | scarynetworkguy | If you like blackbox you will *love* Openbox. |
| 15:00.58 | Simon_ | is there a fvwm98 ? |
| 15:00.59 | Simon_ | Heh. |
| 15:00.59 | zeeble | jethro: yeahm, ion2 on a laptop = sexy |
| 15:01.08 | zeeble | fvwm95 |
| 15:01.08 | chugga | scary, what special about it from bb? |
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| 15:05.27 | gdriller | there are no weekly news this week? |
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| 15:06.05 | zlost1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.16 | asg | gdriller: apparently not |
| 15:06.37 | gdriller | :-( |
| 15:06.42 | asg | zlost1: don't set a gateway in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 |
| 15:07.04 | asg | zlost1: manually create a static route for it with route(8) |
| 15:07.09 | ricky_clarkson | gdriller: One week we got an empty weekly news. |
| 15:07.16 | gdriller | lol |
| 15:07.30 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe they decided this approach was more efficient. |
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| 15:07.33 | asg | ricky_clarkson: no news is good news with Gary Gnus |
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| 15:07.52 | gdriller | how is the stable release going? |
| 15:07.59 | asg | gdriller: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 15:07.59 | ricky_clarkson | Fine. |
| 15:08.08 | ricky_clarkson | It's been around for about 10 years now, I think. |
| 15:08.15 | gdriller | lol |
| 15:08.30 | zlost1 | is there any truth to the rumor that k3b can burn linux isos as hfs+ so mac's can boot them ? |
| 15:08.42 | scarynetworkguy | !wayttd zlost1 |
| 15:08.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, zlost1? |
| 15:09.00 | greycat | k3b doesn't burn anything. it's a front-end to cdrecord, cdrdao and/or dvd+rw-tools |
| 15:09.21 | Simon_ | what software do i need to watch dvd films on my laptop ? |
| 15:09.25 | greycat | Simon_: ogle |
| 15:09.25 | Simon_ | will totem do it ? |
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| 15:09.31 | Simon_ | ogle.. ok thanks. |
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| 15:09.38 | greycat | or mplayer, etc. |
| 15:09.43 | directhex|work | it's a front-end to a lot of linux burning tools, and it does a pretty damn good job |
| 15:09.44 | Simon_ | ahhh i have mplayer already |
| 15:09.45 | Halahad | totem is ok |
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| 15:09.51 | directhex|work | i'm praising a KDE app here, this is abnormal |
| 15:10.03 | scarynetworkguy | xine and or Gxine is good. |
| 15:10.18 | chugga | k3b? |
| 15:10.31 | chugga | i installed kde just for k3b. Nuff said. |
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| 15:10.39 | gdriller | k3b is a great kde tool |
| 15:11.10 | gdriller | why gnome team does not create something similar instead of gtoaster? |
| 15:11.12 | Simon_ | and erm... you need to mount the dvd someplace or does ogle/totem/mplayer do this for you ? |
| 15:11.36 | chugga | caphuso, you must be an old school cdrecord user .. for everyone else stuff like xcdroast and craptoaster and ... SUCK |
| 15:11.49 | caphuso | gdriller: because gnome developers are in reality just finite amount of monkeys typing random things into their editors |
| 15:12.21 | gdriller | like microsoft does? |
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| 15:12.22 | directhex|work | gdriller, because that functionality is being integrated into nautilus instead. shame you can't burn isos... |
| 15:12.22 | Simon_ | caphuso: lol |
| 15:12.25 | resiak | Simon_: You don't mount the DVD. |
| 15:12.29 | resiak | directhex|work: You can, I think. |
| 15:12.40 | gdriller | directhex|work, yes, you can with nautilus |
| 15:12.42 | resiak | directhex|work: In fact, I know that you can. |
| 15:12.44 | jethro | does mplayer have dvdmenu support now? too lazy to check their site to know |
| 15:12.52 | caphuso | jethro: no |
| 15:12.53 | stew | chugga: why would you install kde for k3b, you could just install k3b... |
| 15:12.54 | directhex|work | jethro, no. use ogle. |
| 15:13.04 | Simon_ | resiak: well i have mplayer and it didn't work.. |
| 15:13.05 | gdriller | jeaneid, compile with dvd-nav support (libdvdnav) |
| 15:13.13 | chugga | stew, well what i said was misleading, but meh |
| 15:13.15 | jethro | directhex|work: you should tell me to write it not use ogle :) |
| 15:13.16 | Simon_ | i just wondered if you need to mount the dvd like you would a cd |
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| 15:13.17 | gdriller | bu for that is better to use xine/ogle |
| 15:13.25 | daxxar | "/usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference at /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1/DynaLoader.pm line 202." -- what could cause this? (debian/stable) |
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| 15:14.37 | resiak | Simon_: You don't mount audio CDs either. |
| 15:14.53 | Simon_ | hrmmmm. i've never played anything on linux other than mp3s |
| 15:14.59 | gdriller | audio cds are read in raw format |
| 15:15.00 | Simon_ | which i guess is fairly obvious. |
| 15:15.07 | PerfDave | daxxar: How did you install MySQL? |
| 15:15.07 | gdriller | not need to mount |
| 15:15.11 | Simon_ | well in that case i wonder why mplayer didn't "see" my dvd disk |
| 15:15.14 | Simon_ | :-/ |
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| 15:15.25 | chugga | would you think twice before adding a second hard drive to your computer? |
| 15:15.26 | greycat | Simon_: ask #mplayer |
| 15:15.32 | gdriller | Simon_, is that a DVD-Video? |
| 15:15.38 | Simon_ | greycat: okie dokie. |
| 15:15.43 | greycat | chugga: with some of the people here, we're lucky if they think *once* |
| 15:15.46 | ricky_clarkson | chugga: I don't have time to think twice. |
| 15:15.46 | daxxar | PerfDave, apt-get |
| 15:15.47 | Simon_ | gdriller: yes it is a dvd cd. |
| 15:15.53 | Simon_ | sorry a DVD-ROM |
| 15:15.54 | stew | Simon_: is your /dev/dvd link correct? or did you specify -dvd-device onthe command line? |
| 15:15.58 | SlayerXP | chugga: many people just don't think at all |
| 15:16.00 | chugga | grey, true .. bad question |
| 15:16.00 | daxxar | PerfDave, this is from perl's CPAN module. |
| 15:16.01 | gdriller | a video Dvd-Rom? |
| 15:16.03 | Simon_ | i specified the device on the command line |
| 15:16.04 | PerfDave | daxxar: And what Perl module are you using, and how did you install that? |
| 15:16.07 | ricky_clarkson | SlayerXP: I don't think so. |
| 15:16.08 | Simon_ | a video dvd-rom yes |
| 15:16.12 | Simon_ | with VOB etc files on it |
| 15:16.25 | gdriller | /dev/dvd points to where the dvd is insterted? |
| 15:16.27 | Simon_ | yes |
| 15:16.28 | jethro | real men act, and don't think |
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| 15:16.31 | gdriller | then |
| 15:16.36 | gdriller | mplayer dvd://1 |
| 15:16.38 | gaim_Ta1 | LOL @ jethro |
| 15:16.39 | stew | daxxar: why are you using cpan instead of apt-get? |
| 15:16.43 | chugga | because i've done it before but apparently its not always a good idea if your power supply cant handle the extra load |
| 15:16.43 | daxxar | PerfDave, I'm trying to install Mysql / DBI::Mysql |
| 15:16.47 | gaim_Ta1 | I guess the us elected a real man as president again then |
| 15:16.48 | Simon_ | gdriller: ill try... |
| 15:16.52 | asg | daxxar: then apt-get install it |
| 15:17.00 | jethro | gaim_Ta1: word! |
| 15:17.02 | gdriller | or dvd://2 .3 .4 .5... chapters in the dvd-video |
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| 15:17.04 | PerfDave | daxxar: DBI::MySQL? Do you mean DBD::MySQL? |
| 15:17.12 | ricky_clarkson | gaim_Ta1: No, they elected a religious nut. |
| 15:17.14 | PerfDave | daxxar: Don't use CPAN.pm to install Perl modules on Debian systems. |
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| 15:17.22 | SlayerXP | daxxar: hint: don't install perl modules using CPAN on debian. |
| 15:17.22 | daxxar | PerfDave; Eh, I mean DBD::Mysql and DBI |
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| 15:17.25 | gaim_Ta1 | ricky_clarkson: well, I was applying jethro's definition... |
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| 15:17.25 | daxxar | Sigh. |
| 15:17.28 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: you mean gwb can *think* on his own? |
| 15:17.42 | PerfDave | daxxar: Many common Perl modules are already packaged for Debian, as libsomething-perl, and you can create new ones with dh-make-perl |
| 15:17.52 | PerfDave | !info libdbi-perl woody |
| 15:17.53 | greycat | jethro: the voices tell him what to think |
| 15:17.54 | dpkg | libdbi-perl: (The Perl5 Database Interface by Tim Bunce), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.21-2 (woody), Packaged size: 329 kB, Installed size: 884 kB |
| 15:18.01 | asg | daxxar: libdbd-mysql-perl (is what you want) |
| 15:18.02 | jethro | greycat: :) |
| 15:18.04 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Yes. |
| 15:18.21 | daxxar | stew, because I'm trying to fix this. I'm not sure what previous admins have done re: installing modules, but I got an error using the installed module. So I tried reinstalling it using apt-get, but with no luck. |
| 15:18.35 | daxxar | So I asked in a perl help channel, and I was told to use CPAN to install it. |
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| 15:18.58 | lonewolff | hey there everyone |
| 15:19.00 | SlayerXP | !lose daxxar |
| 15:19.01 | dpkg | daxxar: You Lose. |
| 15:19.06 | daxxar | I lose, indeed. |
| 15:19.45 | lonewolff | i wonder if anyone can help me, im trying to install sarge on a machine and i have booted froma netist iso but it just says checking hit instruction and has been as this point for a good 5 minutes |
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| 15:20.00 | jethro | daxxar: you should bastardize your debian box with stuff built from CPAN unless you package it |
| 15:20.03 | SlayerXP | lonewolff: what processor? |
| 15:20.16 | SlayerXP | jethro: itym "shouldn't" |
| 15:20.20 | lonewolff | Cyrix Media GX |
| 15:20.22 | jethro | ya shouldn't |
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| 15:20.27 | jethro | daxxar: ^^ |
| 15:20.29 | daxxar | jethro, it's a bit too late. can i unbastardize it? :P |
| 15:20.33 | FieldySnuts | @lart cyrix |
| 15:20.44 | FieldySnuts | it's AN/M8 not AN/M-8 |
| 15:20.47 | PerfDave | lonewolff: Have you read the errata and/or Installation Manual for Sarge? |
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| 15:20.49 | SlayerXP | lonewolff: use a boot disk that supports that processor. I don't think the generic install will. |
| 15:21.01 | jethro | daxxar: ENOCLUE |
| 15:21.02 | SlayerXP | lonewolff: better still, throw that machine away and buy something AMD64ish |
| 15:21.06 | gdriller | cyrix is now Via |
| 15:21.09 | jethro | daxxar: I d say yes, but can't tell you how |
| 15:21.18 | lonewolff | SlayerXP: i got it for free |
| 15:21.19 | jethro | daxxar: neither how long it'll take |
| 15:21.19 | asg | SlayerXP: didn't know you were a reseller now? :) |
| 15:21.21 | lonewolff | didnt knwo it was cyrix |
| 15:21.25 | daxxar | jethro, hehe |
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| 15:21.32 | lonewolff | its a compaq presarios 2100, lovely little machine |
| 15:21.42 | SlayerXP | lonewolff: yes, I doubt anyone would pay actual money for a cyrix machine |
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| 15:21.56 | gdriller | why not? |
| 15:22.12 | jethro | SlayerXP: a museum? |
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| 15:22.19 | tombs | hi |
| 15:22.26 | SlayerXP | cyrix == 486 technology, but slower |
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| 15:22.32 | Daffy-PKF | re |
| 15:22.42 | gdriller | if Via sells C3 processors |
| 15:22.57 | SlayerXP | the nehemiah cored stuff is pretty good |
| 15:23.03 | gdriller | and transmeta does the same with theirs |
| 15:23.52 | Grumbler | to whoever fixed the uw-imap packages, thank you, thank you, thank you...........if its not some one here, pass it on.....gah, it final works without the hesitations |
| 15:24.13 | PerfDave | Grumbler: apt-cache show uw-imap, e-mail the maintainer ;) |
| 15:24.18 | asg | Grumbler: they fixed it by replacing it with courier-imap or dovecot? |
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| 15:24.31 | Grumbler | PerfDave, danke |
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| 15:25.13 | AP03 | can anyone help a n00b upgrade a kernel? i need to upgrade to be able to load some drivers |
| 15:25.39 | SlayerXP | AP03: parse error at or near "help a n00b" |
| 15:25.45 | greycat | AP03: upgrade to sarge first. then apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-386 |
| 15:25.55 | SlayerXP | AP03: is that the name of a robot from star wars? |
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| 15:26.28 | AP03 | greycat: I think i need a 2.6.x kernel for my wireless driver |
| 15:26.29 | SlayerXP | C3P0's _very_ special friend? |
| 15:26.37 | AP03 | SlayerXP: nah, ap is just my initials |
| 15:26.39 | greycat | AP03: then modify the instructions accordingly. |
| 15:26.57 | zacmoody | how do i enable direct rendering ....w/0 recompiliing the kernel |
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| 15:27.23 | zacmoody | how do i enable direct rendering ....w/0 recompiliing the kernel |
| 15:27.23 | SlayerXP | zacmoody: vi /proc/kcore |
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| 15:27.40 | AP03 | greycat: i am using grub, so apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 should be it? |
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| 15:28.01 | AP03 | greycat: do i not need to make an initrd or anything? |
| 15:28.03 | heyciao | hi, why with the last apt-get update, apt wants to install caudium and pike? |
| 15:28.15 | daxxar | Ok. Now I've removed the DBI and DBD::mysql gotten from CPAN, and I get this error running my use Mysql; perlscript: |
| 15:28.16 | ricky_clarkson | heyciao: apt-get update doesn't install anything. |
| 15:28.19 | daxxar | Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so' for module DBD::mysql: /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference at /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1/DynaLoader.pm line 202. |
| 15:28.28 | ricky_clarkson | !swym |
| 15:28.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, swym is Say What You Mean. See also MWYS. |
| 15:28.30 | SlayerXP | heyciao: apt-get update doesn't install anything |
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| 15:28.38 | ricky_clarkson | SlayerXP: You're great. |
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| 15:28.41 | SlayerXP | ricky_clarkson: dammit, that's twice you've outtyped me |
| 15:28.49 | panda | I want my X to accept outer connections. what to do? nmap myip show no listenning ports |
| 15:28.50 | heyciao | ricky_clarkson: dist-upgrade, sorry |
| 15:28.53 | greycat | daxxar: have you tried reinstalling the perl packages yet? |
| 15:28.56 | daxxar | dpkg -S /usr/lib/perl5/DBD/mysql.pm /usr/lib/perl5/Bundle/DBD/mysql.pm /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10 /usr/lib/perl5/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so gives me 3x libdbd-mysql-perl, 1x libmysqlclient10. |
| 15:28.57 | dpkg | Package: /usr/lib/perl5/DBD/mysql.pm /usr/lib/perl5/Bundle/DBD/mysql.pm /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10 /usr/lib/perl5/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so gives me 3x libdbd-mysql-perl, 1x libmysqlclient10.: Status: install ok installed |
| 15:28.59 | SlayerXP | heyciao: new dependancies is all |
| 15:29.02 | greycat | panda: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 15:29.21 | greycat | daxxar: I mean perl itself. |
| 15:29.25 | zacmoody | slayerxp: vi /proc/kcore is some ascii stuff |
| 15:29.28 | daxxar | greycat, no. |
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| 15:29.38 | ricky_clarkson | heyciao: Because a package you are upgrading depends on those packages. |
| 15:29.39 | greycat | zacmoody: uh. |
| 15:29.40 | daxxar | apt-get --purge then install, or just install --reinstall? |
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| 15:29.47 | greycat | daxxar: DO NOT PURGE PERL!! |
| 15:29.50 | ricky_clarkson | heyciao: Do an apt-get upgrade |
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| 15:29.53 | SlayerXP | zacmoody: that's your kernel's running image. if you don't want to recompile you'll need to hand edit that so it does what you want. |
| 15:29.55 | greycat | daxxar: just.... reinstall. that's all. |
| 15:30.00 | daxxar | greycat, ok. :) |
| 15:30.01 | heyciao | SlayerXP:ok, but caudium is another wdb server? I dont' need it, and with it, it will remove php4-gd2. That's crazy |
| 15:30.03 | daxxar | Thanks. =) |
| 15:30.04 | zacmoody | oh |
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| 15:30.51 | heyciao | web, not wbd |
| 15:30.51 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Sometimes one should make root's shell /bin/false |
| 15:30.51 | AP03 | greycat: i have a pentium centrino, what kernel image should i use? |
| 15:30.51 | zacmoody | thanks a lot .....but me new to all this ...what do i look in for exactly |
| 15:30.51 | panda | greycat, i don't want ssh at the first step |
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| 15:30.54 | exerion | hello |
| 15:30.57 | heyciao | ricky_clarkson: only upgrade? thank you. I try. |
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| 15:31.05 | panda | greycat, just want to connect plainly |
| 15:31.12 | greycat | panda: /msg dpkg nolisten |
| 15:31.28 | greycat | AP03: 686 or 386 |
| 15:31.29 | exerion | did any1 try to install logitech mouse applet? |
| 15:31.35 | ricky_clarkson | heyciao: Others would recommend using aptitude or synaptic to manage packages instead of apt-get. I don't know. |
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| 15:32.12 | daxxar | greycat, ok. same error :/ |
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| 15:32.34 | heyciao | ok, thank you a lot. bye |
| 15:32.38 | doublehp | I have Sarge on PPC, I am said it has to be frame buffer. Is there a way to switch off the screen in console mode ? |
| 15:32.47 | greycat | daxxar: do other modules have the same problem, or just that one? |
| 15:32.50 | exerion | ok then? who knows where usblib libraries are? thing asks about them try to recompile and stuck |
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| 15:34.33 | hacim | what do I have to reconfigure to get exim to ask me the setup/config questions it asks on installation? |
| 15:34.44 | greycat | in woody or sarge? |
| 15:34.49 | hacim | in sarge |
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| 15:34.56 | greycat | dpkg-reconfigure exim-config I thin. |
| 15:34.58 | greycat | think* |
| 15:35.01 | asg | hacim: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 15:35.11 | greycat | bloody digits. |
| 15:35.12 | hacim | thanks |
| 15:35.18 | komseh | is there a way to set the speed and duplex on an ethernet interface. I want to set eth0 and eth1 to 10mbps full duplex. |
| 15:35.25 | quittt | is Sid better than Sarge? |
| 15:35.26 | greycat | komseh: you can try mii-tool |
| 15:35.29 | greycat | quittt: no |
| 15:35.32 | asg | quittt: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:35.35 | Simon_ | quitt: sid is unstable |
| 15:35.43 | quittt | I know |
| 15:35.47 | doublehp | is there a way in console mode to switch off the screen ? |
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| 15:35.53 | quittt | but a lot of package misses in Sarge |
| 15:35.58 | greycat | doublehp: /msg dpkg blank |
| 15:36.31 | greycat | quittt: that doesn't make it worse. just smaller. |
| 15:37.03 | FieldySnuts | @pee |
| 15:37.03 | ravenbird | Ok. |
| 15:37.08 | FieldySnuts | good answer |
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| 15:38.51 | zacmoody | i want to enable direct rendering ....how? |
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| 15:39.02 | jcb | "echo "aaa" | egrep '[0-9]*'" will match aaa, since [0-9]* will match 0 to infinite digits. how can i get it to match from 1 to infinite digits? |
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| 15:39.12 | asg | jcb: s/*/+/ |
| 15:39.16 | CSRx | hey |
| 15:39.16 | tdonahue | Hi all |
| 15:39.23 | jcb | asg: ah yes, thanks :) |
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| 15:40.51 | greycat | jcb: or the ever-popular [0-9][0-9]* |
| 15:40.58 | CSRx | is there a command to see how long a server has been running for? |
| 15:41.07 | asg | jcb: or [0-9]{1,} |
| 15:41.07 | petemc | CSRx: uptime |
| 15:41.08 | coachz | If you are backing up a server config info, NOT applications, what dirs do you need to backup to help doing a restore? Just /etc ? |
| 15:41.25 | daxxar | or \d{1,} |
| 15:41.34 | tdonahue | coachz, it depends upon the application |
| 15:41.51 | coachz | just to restore the server, not the apps |
| 15:41.53 | ricky_clarkson | Assume the application is a Debian one. |
| 15:41.59 | zacmoody | how do i enable direct rendering |
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| 15:42.39 | daxxar | greycat, like, any module in general? |
| 15:42.51 | tdonahue | coachz, for example, on our SMTP gateways, we need to back up /etc as well as /var/amavisd/etc to get the configuration for amavisd-new (runs in a chroot) |
| 15:43.13 | quittt | how do I make a radio via XMMS? |
| 15:43.15 | quittt | !xmms |
| 15:43.15 | dpkg | [xmms] X MultiMedia System. Leach it from http://www.xmms.org/, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it. |
| 15:43.16 | coachz | ok |
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| 15:44.26 | coachz | greycat, i'm VIM'ing away now |
| 15:44.39 | coachz | it's easy |
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| 15:44.52 | coachz | lots of yanking going on |
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| 15:44.58 | greycat | "Leach"? |
| 15:45.14 | greycat | what is this, Lifestyles of the Rich and Clueless? |
| 15:45.23 | coachz | hehe |
| 15:45.40 | directhex|work | dpkg, xmms =~ s/Leach/Obtain/ |
| 15:45.40 | dpkg | OK, directhex|work |
| 15:45.43 | directhex|work | -_- |
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| 15:46.19 | hmakholm | Wow, my /var/www just disappeared. The timestamp of /var indicates that it may have happened while aptitude was removing a lot of packages. Anybody ever experience something similar? |
| 15:46.30 | daxxar | greycat: I just installed libc-scan-perl: |
| 15:46.30 | daxxar | $ perl -MC::Scan -le 'print "foo"'; |
| 15:46.30 | daxxar | foo |
| 15:46.45 | daxxar | So yes, atleast not *every* module has that problem. |
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| 15:47.59 | greycat | daxxar: then I don't know what's wrong. My first guess would be that you have DBD/DBI modules in two places, and you reinstalled the one it's not using by default. |
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| 15:49.26 | daxxar | Aha. |
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| 15:49.32 | daxxar | I found a DBI.pm not owned by any package |
| 15:49.40 | daxxar | find `perl -le 'print join("\n", @INC);'` -iname mysql.pm -or -iname dbi.pm =) |
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| 15:50.31 | hmakholm | Ah, found it. The data are intact, but something removed my /var/www -> /home/www symlink. |
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| 15:51.21 | AP03 | if i cant find a package on my apt tree, how can i install it using a .deb file i download? |
| 15:51.27 | greycat | AP03: man dpkg |
| 15:51.46 | directhex|work | !tell greycat about linux man pages |
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| 15:51.54 | PerfDave | !faq AP03 |
| 15:51.55 | dpkg | AP03: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
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| 15:52.29 | greycat | directhex|work: I'm sure "man dpkg" |
| 15:52.36 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.38 | directhex|work | greycat, yeah, on line 70ish. the man page even has exmaples, which is extraordinary for most man pages |
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| 15:55.29 | witless | can someone suggest an on-line guide for the simplest, easiest way to get ldap authentication working for shell, samba, apache, etc. logins? |
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| 15:56.50 | GarySaved | I am trying to install an audio player, and it depends on libflac6. I have libflac4 installed. Apt-get does not find any newer versions. How can I get this? |
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| 15:57.39 | Hal9002 | "Sarge Base+Standard frozen" <- since when? :) |
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| 15:57.51 | ricky_clarkson | !lb |
| 15:57.51 | dpkg | methinks lb is Lebanon |
| 15:58.10 | PerfDave | GarySaved: What version of Sarge? Have you checked the BTS? |
| 15:58.14 | PerfDave | s/Sarge/Debian/ |
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| 15:59.01 | GarySaved | PerfDave, What is BTS ? |
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| 15:59.09 | jethro | !bts |
| 15:59.09 | zeeble | bug tracking system |
| 15:59.09 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 15:59.25 | mindframe | should i get the latest 3c905x drivers from 3com, or is there a more developed version somewhere? |
| 15:59.40 | PerfDave | mindframe: Why not just use the version in your kernel? |
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| 15:59.46 | jethro | !latest |
| 15:59.46 | dpkg | i guess newest is For your Debian, say "3.0", "Sarge",similar. |
| 15:59.47 | xelam | mindframe: why dont you use the linux ones? |
| 15:59.51 | xelam | i.e. builtin |
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| 16:00.03 | Phated | mindframe: Why would you want to? |
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| 16:00.45 | VoX | just out of curiosity, how would a system report a load avg of 2.8+, yet only showing ~30% proc load? |
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| 16:01.12 | Gathond | VoX: because load is not directly connected to CPU usage? |
| 16:01.12 | mindframe | PerfDave: for some reason they're not detecting 100Mbps. I have one 3C905B and one 3c905c-TX. eth0 is autodetecting at 10MB-half duplex. |
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| 16:01.16 | bender-RW- | VoX: processes waiting for i/o, say network/disk |
| 16:01.24 | mindframe | PerfDave: i cant even hard set it with mii-tool |
| 16:01.26 | PerfDave | mindframe: Probably incompatiable switch hardware |
| 16:01.32 | panda | i have to two NICs and two IPs, as a normal user, how can i use eth1 for all network programs insted of the default eth0? |
| 16:01.37 | GarySaved | Thanks. Where can I find a list of possible deb repositories ? |
| 16:01.45 | VoX | ahh |
| 16:01.52 | zeeble | GarySaved: apt-get.org |
| 16:01.56 | mindframe | PerfDave: shrug its a catalyst 2900, im pretty sure the port is set to 100mb-fd |
| 16:01.58 | VoX | that would explain it |
| 16:01.59 | VoX | cheers |
| 16:02.01 | zeeble | GarySaved: or apt-setup |
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| 16:02.33 | PerfDave | !wayttd panda |
| 16:02.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, panda? |
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| 16:03.09 | mindframe | PerfDave: might the driver in the 2.4.26 kernel be outdated? |
| 16:03.27 | AP03 | what is make-kpkg? |
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| 16:03.42 | dvs | AP03: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 16:03.53 | quittt | how do I check dependencies that arent used? |
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| 16:04.01 | PerfDave | mindframe: I doubt it. |
| 16:04.02 | dvs | quittt: deborphan |
| 16:04.16 | panda | PerfDave, in the remote box, when i run xterm, i want xterm to use eth1, but the box's default NIC is eth0 |
| 16:04.24 | mindframe | PerfDave: isnt there a way to set speed and duplex when the module loads? |
| 16:04.24 | AP03 | ayyy anyone installed the intel2200 drivers yet? |
| 16:04.32 | PerfDave | panda: You don't understand how networking works. |
| 16:04.39 | panda | PerfDave, i do |
| 16:04.44 | PerfDave | AP03: Something you use to compile your own kernels on Debian, but you should use kernel-image packages, they're easier. |
| 16:04.48 | PerfDave | panda: You clearly don't. |
| 16:04.49 | KarlosII | if I knew where the xfree channel was I'd ask there |
| 16:04.52 | quittt | dvs, THANKS |
| 16:05.00 | dvs | quittt: np |
| 16:05.00 | panda | PerfDave, eth0 is the default route, but i want to use eth1 |
| 16:05.21 | panda | PerfDave, eth0 and eth1 are on the same network, but different IPs |
| 16:05.25 | PerfDave | panda: Default routes are IPs, not interfaces. |
| 16:05.29 | panda | PerfDave, i need to use the eth1 IP |
| 16:05.33 | dvs | panda: Which make no sense whatsoever |
| 16:05.38 | PerfDave | If you want to use eth1, then talk to IPs on eth1's network |
| 16:05.38 | panda | PerfDave, yes, i mean IP |
| 16:06.01 | panda | PerfDave, the two IPs are on the same network |
| 16:06.06 | PerfDave | panda: What's the point of that? |
| 16:06.14 | panda | PerfDave, like x.x.x.0 and x.x.x.1 |
| 16:06.32 | PerfDave | panda: You've got an IP on .0? |
| 16:06.34 | panda | PerfDave, well, IP1 is the default, but blocked, so i need IP2 |
| 16:06.43 | Phated | Why would you use an IP of x.x.x.0? |
| 16:06.43 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 16:06.54 | FieldySnuts | if you have a funky subnet mask you can. not likely |
| 16:06.56 | Phated | Oh, FFS. |
| 16:07.00 | Phated | !ops Carelos |
| 16:07.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Carelos |
| 16:07.05 | panda | PerfDave, like x.x.x.180 and x.x.x.181 |
| 16:07.09 | FieldySnuts | Carelos is spamming via msg |
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| 16:07.19 | Phated | Yes, he is. |
| 16:07.20 | PerfDave | panda: Why do you have two IPs on the same network? |
| 16:07.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 16:07.25 | Phated | Well, it, whatever. |
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| 16:07.39 | quittt | caphuso, ??? |
| 16:07.46 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 16:07.46 | panda | PerfDave, a backup IP |
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| 16:07.51 | caphuso | quittt: !!! |
| 16:07.51 | Phated | Go caphuso go. |
| 16:07.57 | FieldySnuts | panda: what is your subnet mask? (or netmask) |
| 16:07.58 | mentor | hmmm |
| 16:08.07 | PerfDave | panda: What do you mean by the first IP being blocked? |
| 16:08.37 | jethro | s/g// |
| 16:08.45 | panda | PerfDave, offtopic to my issue |
| 16:08.52 | PerfDave | panda: Not at all. |
| 16:08.57 | FieldySnuts | panda: what is your subnet mask? (or netmask) |
| 16:09.00 | mindframe | where is modules.conf located? |
| 16:09.05 | Noid | is there a command to find the latest files transfered to a computer, via let's say scp? |
| 16:09.06 | caphuso | mindframe: /etc |
| 16:09.09 | panda | FieldySnuts, idot |
| 16:09.14 | FieldySnuts | @fuck panda |
| 16:09.15 | KarlosII | if anyone knows why xfree86 would start using 99.x % of cpu all of the sudden? On any drivers from 5336 to 6111, and driver 6629 stops working and crashes? the log shows 6629 to fail to load but any earlier driver loads but uses 99%+ cpu... |
| 16:09.21 | FieldySnuts | panda: have fun finguring out why you can't use .0, then. |
| 16:09.23 | jethro | !tell KarlosII about repeat |
| 16:09.23 | Phated | Well, he technically doesn't have afunky mask anymoe, since he did say he had IPs of x.x.x.180 and x.x.x.181, but... |
| 16:09.29 | KarlosII | jethro, get lost |
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| 16:09.33 | panda | Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 16:09.34 | KarlosII | it's not repeating |
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| 16:09.46 | FieldySnuts | too late, should have called me an idiot afterwards. enjoy! |
| 16:09.48 | panda | FieldySnuts, like x.x.x.180 and x.x.x.181 |
| 16:09.55 | jethro | KarlosII: true you changed like 2 3 words, my bad |
| 16:09.59 | PerfDave | KarlosII: Which drivers? |
| 16:10.07 | KarlosII | nvidia |
| 16:10.20 | KarlosII | jethro, I rephrased to explain it better |
| 16:10.44 | jethro | KarlosII: I got lost, don't talk to me please |
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| 16:10.47 | jethro | hi pingouin |
| 16:10.55 | panda | FieldySnuts, Mask:255.255.255.0 |
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| 16:11.23 | KarlosII | PerfDave, did you get tat info... I'm using nvidia drivers... |
| 16:11.25 | panda | FieldySnuts, so, ok |
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| 16:11.36 | PerfDave | KarlosII: How did you install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 16:11.56 | usn | hi all |
| 16:11.58 | KarlosII | I use a script |
| 16:12.11 | PerfDave | KarlosII: What script? |
| 16:12.17 | iceman | is it not possible to store a string containing whitespaces, in a shell script? |
| 16:12.19 | KarlosII | PerfDave, funnything is the drivers just stopped working |
| 16:12.36 | xai | I'm looking for a winXX rescue system that works in debian. Need something that can clone an entire disk or partition and make it bootable. Hopefully it doesnt need to copy all the data like dd. |
| 16:12.38 | PerfDave | iceman: It should be. Quote the spaces, or the entire string. |
| 16:12.50 | kraftwerk | if i build a debian-binary-package with "dpkg-deb --build debian/" -> where can i specify the name of the output (.deb-file) - name? all my packages named ".deb" after packaging. :-( |
| 16:12.59 | PerfDave | xai: How do you clone an entire disk without copying all the data? |
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| 16:13.07 | KarlosII | PerfDave, install-nvidia-6629-debian.sh , the thing was everything was working fine and then all of sudden stopped ont hat machine |
| 16:13.08 | PerfDave | xai: I use partimage to back up partitions over the network. |
| 16:13.13 | ajr | hello, I have one problem con vmware |
| 16:13.16 | ajr | The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is an existing directory, but it does not |
| 16:13.16 | ajr | contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected. |
| 16:13.16 | ajr | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 16:13.16 | ajr | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
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| 16:13.24 | Xemacs_ | iceman, e.g. export SHELL="/usr/bin/xemacs .bashrc" |
| 16:13.32 | ajr | Can somebody help me? |
| 16:13.34 | PerfDave | KarlosII: You should have used the Debian nvidia installation method. |
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| 16:13.35 | directhex|work | KarlosII, what on earth is that script? |
| 16:13.39 | SlayerXP | ajr: vmware provide free technical support to its users |
| 16:13.43 | directhex|work | !tell KarlosII about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:13.45 | jethro | KarlosII: what do you want, if not .deb ? |
| 16:13.51 | jethro | kraftwerk: ^^ |
| 16:13.53 | KarlosII | jethro, err |
| 16:13.58 | jethro | KarlosII: sry tab issue |
| 16:14.03 | jethro | sorry even |
| 16:14.05 | KarlosII | not the point the scripts work perfectly |
| 16:14.06 | ethicsgradient | Hey, a couple of months ago I installed the lame mp3 encoder from apt-get, but now the package seems gone. I've been Sing the FW, but I can't find much about what might have replaced it. Can someone help me? |
| 16:14.18 | KarlosII | I want to know what causes 99% cusage |
| 16:14.21 | kraftwerk | jethro: hm i'd like packagename_x.x-x_i386.deb and not only .deb ;-) |
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| 16:14.31 | SlayerXP | KarlosII: 99% of the cpu being in use, I imagine |
| 16:14.32 | directhex|work | !telll ethicsgradient about marillat |
| 16:14.33 | kraftwerk | jethro: i have DEBIAN/control |
| 16:14.38 | KarlosII | usage |
| 16:14.43 | directhex|work | kraftwerk, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:14.55 | jethro | kraftwerk: think you need a changelog too |
| 16:14.56 | KarlosII | directhex|work, it's a script I've been usingf or the last 2 years |
| 16:14.59 | kraftwerk | directhex|work: is that easy to use? i dont know |
| 16:15.03 | iceman | yes I have quoted the strings, wich are filenames, it doesn't seem to work though.. If I go for example ls $files it tries to ls word by word and not the quoted strings |
| 16:15.09 | xai | perfdave: will partimage make a bootable disk once restored? |
| 16:15.13 | kraftwerk | jethro: i have a changelog file but that's not what i need |
| 16:15.13 | FieldySnuts | ask whoever made the script then, not debian for sure |
| 16:15.17 | jethro | kraftwerk: debian package maintainer guide would tell you better then me, cause I m not sure |
| 16:15.24 | directhex|work | KarlosII, that's lovely, but means nothing. |
| 16:15.32 | jethro | kraftwerk: I don't know exactly where these value come from sorry |
| 16:15.32 | panda | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.36 | directhex|work | KarlosII, additionally, nvidia-glx 6629 has been out for less than 2 years |
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| 16:15.47 | Xemacs_ | iceman, what is the line please |
| 16:15.50 | toresbe | PerfDave: I have a DLT drive on my Ultra, could I back up / (18 GB) on fortran over the network to the 20GB drive? |
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| 16:16.03 | xai | perfdave: to answer your question. Rsync does a good job of copying differences in files. It only needs to copy the entire disk once. |
| 16:16.24 | KarlosII | PerfDave, directhex|work I mean using that script with a few minor changes as per version release |
| 16:16.29 | chugga | is rsync easy to use and is it portable? |
| 16:16.30 | FieldySnuts | rsync is a great way to back up, especially if you want that backup kept up to date frequently |
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| 16:16.38 | PerfDave | xai: Uhm, disks aren't bootable, partitions are. |
| 16:16.42 | FieldySnuts | backup all my nix machines using it |
| 16:16.46 | PerfDave | xai: Between them, partimage and parted can be used to do what you want. |
| 16:16.49 | iceman | Xemacs_: #flood |
| 16:17.05 | directhex|work | aha, found it. install-nvidia-6629-debian.sh is a kanotix script |
| 16:17.11 | toresbe | y'know what, people? (*suspense*) |
| 16:17.13 | chugga | PerfDave, but you can look at the MBR of a disk - thats almost the same |
| 16:17.16 | panda | help me |
| 16:17.19 | toresbe | I'm going to bed! night! |
| 16:17.38 | xai | Perfdave: there is that one small issue of the boot sector. |
| 16:17.48 | FieldySnuts | panda: tip: calling people you're asking help from idiots tends to piss people off. |
| 16:18.15 | dvs | panda: plus, your request makes no sense. |
| 16:18.22 | panda | FieldySnuts, i said i don't understand mask, but i do, that's a typo |
| 16:18.27 | FieldySnuts | you're also not asking very good questions, most people probably don't knwo what you want, ask dpkg about "smart questions", it's not meant as an insult |
| 16:18.33 | panda | FieldySnuts, 180 vs 0 |
| 16:18.35 | Phated | FieldySnuts: And here I thought you'd had him on ignore already. |
| 16:18.42 | FieldySnuts | Phated: just did |
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| 16:18.51 | directhex|work | and whilst it's a nice script, it (of course) uses nvidia-installer, whihc makes it a pile of steaming ass for debian use |
| 16:18.56 | Phated | FieldySnuts: You go. :) |
| 16:19.00 | tmc | Has any used IP chains to impliment reverse nat for WAN connections where several devices on different sites may have the same ip address? |
| 16:19.17 | panda | dvs This is my problem: i connect to this box by IP2, so i want to(have to) go out by IP2 too, but IP1 is the default IP. any help? |
| 16:19.21 | PerfDave | xai: When installing a new machine, I boot off something like Knoppix, use Partimage to stick a pre-installed system on it, chroot into it and run lilo / grub. |
| 16:19.36 | PerfDave | panda: You don't understand the way that IP works. |
| 16:19.50 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: his netmask is 255.255.255.0 , so obviously, no he doesn't. |
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| 16:19.54 | dvs | panda: Your question make no sense. |
| 16:19.54 | PerfDave | panda: You *might* be able to do what you want with lartc, but I doubt it. |
| 16:19.58 | Occulis | a "pile of steaming ass" is a good phrase |
| 16:20.03 | directhex|work | KarlosII, #kanotix are your support area. when you want the debian solution, install debian sarge, /msg dpkg debian solutions; /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:20.34 | panda | dvs, still no sense? you don't understan my problem? |
| 16:20.46 | Phated | Fuck, that's a long one-liner. |
| 16:20.52 | dvs | *plonk* |
| 16:20.53 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say dpkg: confuse panda |
| 16:20.55 | ravenbird | dpkg: confuse panda |
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| 16:20.57 | unixorn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.02 | dpkg | Yes, those are their gouda today, panda? shirts of the republic of tibet with extra cheese |
| 16:21.06 | panda | PerfDave, if i'm root, i'll use lartc, but i'm not root on this box |
| 16:21.10 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Cool trick there. :) |
| 16:21.35 | directhex|work | Phated, its expansion is due to udev and maintainer error. |
| 16:21.43 | Phated | directhex|work: I see. |
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| 16:21.57 | akos | Can you tell me where can I find a full description how to automount an ntfs partition to be able to write it as non-root? |
| 16:22.09 | Phated | Don't write ntfs in Linux. |
| 16:22.18 | directhex|work | Phated, ideally, all you need is: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential && m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 16:22.30 | Phated | directhex|work: Ah, I see. Lovely. |
| 16:22.35 | directhex|work | oh, and install nvidia-glx too |
| 16:22.41 | KarlosII | directhex|work, xfree has nthing to do with kanotix |
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| 16:23.01 | wrtpeeps | whats the latest stable version |
| 16:23.12 | wrtpeeps | 3.0r4? |
| 16:23.21 | dvs | wrtpeeps: yup |
| 16:23.23 | directhex|work | KarlosII, your script is from kanotix.com, for installing nvidia drivers in kanotix. it sucks for SEVERAL reasons. |
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| 16:24.01 | KarlosII | oh and why's that? |
| 16:24.04 | directhex|work | wrtpeeps, yes, but use sarge on desktops |
| 16:24.27 | wrtpeeps | dvs: when i click get debian etc, and it comes to a "index of /debian" page, i just right click and save link as on "3.0 r4" |
| 16:24.49 | akos | Thanx |
| 16:24.52 | dvs | wrtpeeps: Click "get Debian" on what? |
| 16:24.55 | PerfDave | directhex|work: You don't even need to install anything other than module-assistant, since module-assistant will install whatever it needs for you. |
| 16:25.03 | directhex|work | KarlosII, fine. number 1, it overwrites files which are part of dpkg-controlled packages. if you update or upgrade those packages (anything xfree86 or kernel realted), your 3d and possibly x server break, messily. number 2, it badly implements TLS, causing breakage with many 3d apps |
| 16:25.10 | directhex|work | PerfDave, really? |
| 16:25.13 | tmc | looking to put a debian host on a site to VPN to, that will translate traffic to a host on the same lan - is this possible? |
| 16:25.15 | wrtpeeps | dvs: at debian webiste |
| 16:25.18 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Think so, yeah. |
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| 16:25.27 | PerfDave | directhex|work: It's certainly grabbed kernel-headers for me before |
| 16:25.30 | directhex|work | wrtpeeps, are you _SURE_ you want woody? |
| 16:25.43 | directhex|work | wrtpeeps, this is for a front-facing server? |
| 16:25.59 | wrtpeeps | no, just for my pleasure, for my dual boot |
| 16:26.08 | directhex|work | wrtpeeps, is your kit 3 years old or older? |
| 16:26.17 | wrtpeeps | kit = pc? |
| 16:26.19 | jk3 | kernel: Documenation/kernel-parameters.txt: "quiet= [KNL] Disable log messages" what argument is needed? I want to boot without that kernel msgs |
| 16:26.25 | directhex|work | !woody desktop |
| 16:26.26 | dpkg | If you're running a desktop machine, odds are you want to install Sarge instead. However, if you really require the stability that woody offers, you can install woody. If you do, please don't complain to Debian about the age of software in stable, etc. |
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| 16:26.39 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 16:26.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 16:26.42 | wrtpeeps | directhex|work: my pc is 4 years old |
| 16:27.20 | directhex|work | PerfDave, cast your steely gaze over http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-6629-debian.sh as an easy replacement for debian packages && m-a |
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| 16:28.04 | PerfDave | directhex|work: will it make me cry? |
| 16:28.18 | zoghome | what is the best/easiest dyndns style domain system that works well with debian/pppoe with straighforward apt-get style setup? |
| 16:28.25 | directhex|work | PerfDave, definitely. get it! |
| 16:28.30 | Phated | PerfDave: You have a steely gaze! You can't cry! |
| 16:28.35 | Phated | Think of the rust and the pain. |
| 16:28.38 | PerfDave | And why isn't it called install-nvidia-6629-kanotix.sh |
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| 16:28.48 | PerfDave | Phated: It's *stainless* steel ;) |
| 16:28.55 | Phated | PerfDave: Oooh, sexy. |
| 16:28.59 | PerfDave | zoghome: dyndns.org has always worked fine with Debian for me. |
| 16:29.00 | possie | when i try to load a module i'm getting "Unresolved symbols" is there away to see which symbols are unresolved? |
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| 16:29.57 | zoghome | PerfDave: cool, thanks.. that was the obvious one but just wanted to see |
| 16:29.59 | directhex|work | PerfDave, because kanotix is debian really. take a look at http://www.kanotix.com/files/ for all the debianness |
| 16:30.32 | PerfDave | directhex|work: I approve of any shell script which has a variable $HACK |
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| 16:31.33 | PerfDave | I'm also loving the use of perl where sed would be fine |
| 16:32.18 | PerfDave | directhex|work: It didn't make me cry, it made me laugh and remember to stab the next Kanotix "developer" I see. |
| 16:32.18 | Hal9002 | where can i read the announcement about "Sarge Base+Standard frozen"? |
| 16:32.31 | insanekane | hi ... i need to set up my locale and LC_COLLATE variables before going into X. I have kdm setup so in which script should I place my locale settings to make this work ? |
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| 16:32.45 | Hal9002 | i'm looking through the obvious (for me) mailinglist archives but can't find any info |
| 16:32.56 | Crell42 | Is anyone else having a problem with mysql under Sid? Mine won't start for some reason, and I want to make sure it's not a known issue. |
| 16:32.57 | directhex|work | PerfDave, try #debian-amd64, "Kano the Master" is in there |
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| 16:33.10 | PerfDave | Crell42: Did you check the BTS? |
| 16:33.15 | directhex|work | PerfDave, i'm querying the use of a dpkg-breaking script |
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| 16:33.47 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Job done? |
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| 16:34.32 | directhex|work | <Kano> directhex|work: because i can update my script faster |
| 16:34.56 | Crell42 | PerfDave: I see nothing there about it not starting. |
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| 16:35.09 | PerfDave | Crell42: Why won't it start? |
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| 16:35.14 | Diozaka | hi |
| 16:35.38 | Crell42 | According to syslog, nice can't set priority due to permission denied. |
| 16:35.40 | AP03 | I'm trying to compile a program and apparently i dont have "stdio.h" and "stdlib.h" |
| 16:35.45 | AP03 | where i get thesE? |
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| 16:36.08 | directhex|work | !b-e AP03 |
| 16:36.08 | dpkg | AP03: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:36.16 | PerfDave | AP03: What are you trying to compile? |
| 16:36.23 | PerfDave | Crell42: Odd. Are you starting it as root? |
| 16:36.27 | AP03 | a c prog that apparently configures the intel 855 chip |
| 16:36.35 | AP03 | for my video on my laptop |
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| 16:37.36 | Crell42 | PerfDave: Gah. I hate it when I do something stupid. Don't most init scripts tell you specifically that's the problem rather than just saying "go look at syslog"? |
| 16:38.19 | PerfDave | Crell42: Most init scripts shouldn't be run manually ;) |
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| 16:38.40 | Crell42 | PerfDave: Normally I wouldn't, but mysql was crashed for some reason so that was the easiest way to kick it. |
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| 16:39.04 | js_ | is thera a known problem with 2.6 and sata_promise when booting the system? |
| 16:39.09 | daxxar | hm. greycat, now i've cleaned out a lot of the stuff related to DBI / DBD from the non-apt sources. I got "DBI object version 1.42 does not match $DBI::VERSION 1.21", but I deleted the other (CPAN) copy of Bundle/DBI/DBI.pm (or somesuch), and now I'm back to: |
| 16:39.13 | daxxar | Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so' for module DBD::mysql: /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference at /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1/DynaLoader.pm line 202. |
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| 16:39.14 | js_ | it works with 2.4, but 2.6 doesnt do it for me |
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| 16:39.49 | jannol | hi |
| 16:39.51 | directhex|work | js_, i expect the drive names have changed |
| 16:40.30 | jannol | can I take a screendump of 'desktop size 2' into one image ? |
| 16:40.51 | js_ | directhex|work: seems it hasnt |
| 16:40.51 | jannol | or I ment, how do I do that |
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| 16:41.08 | jasz | jannol, .. you mean.. a screenshot? |
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| 16:41.26 | wrtpeeps | anyone got any debian screenshots |
| 16:41.35 | Rawplayer | ? |
| 16:41.38 | jannol | yes but I use virtual desktop size 2 and I want both into one image |
| 16:41.58 | mythsmith | hi! how can I stop my firewall from writing all packet infos on all terminals? They are almost unusable with all this stuff running ... |
| 16:42.13 | Simon_ | mythsmith: change the level of iptables |
| 16:42.18 | jasz | jannol, do import -window root ScreenShot.jpg (you need the ImageMagick package to use "import" ) |
| 16:42.19 | Simon_ | from warning to debug |
| 16:42.40 | mythsmith | Simon_: sysv level? |
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| 16:42.57 | petemc | mythsmith: /msg dpkg printk console |
| 16:43.06 | jetscreamer | mythsmith, dual booting eh |
| 16:43.18 | jetscreamer | mythsmith, yes printk |
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| 16:43.51 | directhex|work | wrtpeeps, http://www.apebox.net/imglibrary.php?section=three&browse=//Desktops |
| 16:44.02 | directhex|work | wrtpeeps, that assumes sarge & not woody. did i mention sarge yet? |
| 16:44.15 | jetscreamer | iptables thing might work though, i dunno. |
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| 16:44.42 | wrtpeeps | directhex|work: yea |
| 16:44.44 | jannol | jasz, I did that but I wonder if it is possible to get 2 desktops into one image |
| 16:44.57 | ChrisW | does this look like the "top" of a server that's experiencing swap-death: http://rafb.net/paste/results/n2xxET19.html ?# |
| 16:44.59 | directhex|work | !d-i wrtpeeps |
| 16:44.59 | dpkg | wrtpeeps, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:45.12 | FieldySnuts | wenas |
| 16:45.24 | jasz | jannol, each desktop is running on a different X session ? |
| 16:45.28 | daxxar | gradzac, I can't find a single DBI/DBD/Mysql perl module file that isn't in any package. |
| 16:45.32 | daxxar | eh. |
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| 16:45.33 | daxxar | not gradzac, greycat. :) |
| 16:45.44 | jannol | jasz, no |
| 16:45.46 | gilles | hi |
| 16:46.03 | jasz | jannol, ... do you use two monitors and two video cards ? |
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| 16:46.07 | wrtpeeps | directhex|work: thanks :) |
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| 16:46.46 | js_ | are sata drives /dev/sdX in 2.6? |
| 16:46.47 | gilles | is there a way to launch a netinstall of linux on a iMac (1st generation) without using a cd ? |
| 16:47.09 | directhex|work | !rube goldberg install |
| 16:47.09 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 16:47.12 | wrtpeeps | directhex|work: is there a recommended memory/ram etc that linux needs? |
| 16:47.14 | Gathond | gilles: not that I know of |
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| 16:47.30 | directhex|work | wrtpeeps, sarge? 486 with 24mb ram. woody, 386 with 16mb ram |
| 16:47.54 | wrtpeeps | ah, so they run basically on nothing |
| 16:48.04 | Gathond | gilles: of cause my experience is limited to one installation :) |
| 16:48.14 | Crell42 | wrtpeeps: Well, for certain definitions of "run". |
| 16:48.26 | wrtpeeps | directhex|work: didnt you say get sarge? |
| 16:48.28 | wrtpeeps | or was it woody |
| 16:48.33 | Gathond | gilles: most of which spent on google trying to find out how excatly you could make the damn thing boot from anything but the harddrive |
| 16:48.43 | directhex|work | wrtpeeps, personally, i'd say 500mhz and 128mb ram are a start for a comfortable existance in a graphical environment |
| 16:48.45 | directhex|work | wrtpeeps, sarge |
| 16:49.01 | wrtpeeps | thanks |
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| 16:49.14 | wrtpeeps | [i386, thats the one i need right |
| 16:49.20 | Crell42 | wrtpeeps: Yes. |
| 16:49.24 | wrtpeeps | for intel system |
| 16:49.32 | wrtpeeps | thanks |
| 16:49.40 | gilles | Gathond: i have mac os installed, if i could download a something that would run an net install of debian, that would be nice |
| 16:49.40 | Crell42 | As a general rule, if you don't know what you have then it's i386. :-) |
| 16:49.50 | Gathond | gilles: you can |
| 16:49.58 | daxxar | Ok, this seems to be a bigger problem. |
| 16:49.59 | gilles | Gathond: how? |
| 16:50.06 | Gathond | gilles: download either a netinstall iso (not sure they exist) or CD one |
| 16:50.11 | daxxar | I'm getting the following on ldd -d -r /usr/bin/mysqladmin: |
| 16:50.12 | daxxar | symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference (/usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10) |
| 16:50.35 | Gathond | gilles: boot the installer from a CD (at least on x86 there are reduced netinstall CD images) |
| 16:51.01 | gilles | Gathond: my cd drive doesn't work |
| 16:51.17 | Gathond | gilles: arrgh |
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| 16:51.26 | jetscreamer | use net install boot floppies |
| 16:51.38 | Gathond | gilles: network booting perhaps |
| 16:51.50 | Gathond | jetscreamer: iirc an iMac have no floppy drive |
| 16:51.52 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 16:51.56 | jetscreamer | maaaac |
| 16:52.00 | petemc | gilles: have you read the ppc install guide? |
| 16:52.16 | gilles | petemc: i haven't |
| 16:52.22 | petemc | maybe you should |
| 16:52.42 | VoX | i'm wanting to remove the kde-games package, but when i tell apt to do it, it also wants to remove 'kde'. how can i just remove the package without removing kde itself? |
| 16:52.46 | daxxar | Hm. My problem seems to relate with this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00128.html |
| 16:52.52 | daxxar | Anyone know any workaround for it? |
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| 16:52.56 | gilles | in possible to make a network booting on an iMac first generation to install debian ? |
| 16:53.00 | caphuso | VoX: you can't. but then, you don't need the kde package |
| 16:53.07 | VoX | you dont? |
| 16:53.13 | caphuso | VoX: no |
| 16:53.26 | VoX | mmkay.. |
| 16:53.47 | mythsmith | petemc: can't understand what to do with sysctl ... there are hundreds of values, which one should I change? (anyway, almost one year ago i had the same problem with another installation and I rememnber that with one simple command the firewall stopped to broadcast messages) |
| 16:53.51 | VoX | so removing the 'kde' package wont remove /kde/ itself? |
| 16:53.59 | jetscreamer | vox, they are meta packages, correct it wont |
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| 16:54.07 | VoX | sweet |
| 16:54.11 | VoX | thanks guys |
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| 16:54.32 | jetscreamer | removing udev removes gnome though |
| 16:54.42 | petemc | mythsmith: edit /etc/sysctl.conf , add kernel.printk = 3 4 1 7 , save the file, run sysctl -p |
| 16:55.21 | jetscreamer | mythsmith, i know exactly what you are seeing on your screen... it sucks eh. |
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| 16:55.28 | saabin | hello all |
| 16:55.33 | saabin | what a day today |
| 16:55.56 | saabin | I have a question. A small rule of thumb expertise |
| 16:56.06 | jetscreamer | 3 lines so far... |
| 16:56.10 | saabin | To connect two switches I use 1 cross-over cable, switches are 100mbps. |
| 16:56.10 | ricky_clarkson | No question. |
| 16:56.20 | mythsmith | petemc: thanks! |
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| 16:56.26 | jetscreamer | you only get 3 lines to ask a question on_join |
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| 16:56.30 | saabin | Now if I connect these two switches using two cables instead of one can users in both siwtches can see some network/bandwidth performance? |
| 16:56.34 | jetscreamer | tabtabtab |
| 16:56.45 | nvz | saabin: quit using enter in place of punctuation |
| 16:56.48 | saabin | jetscreamer? two lines 1 question! |
| 16:57.11 | abeco | hello Does somebody knows a webpage in which explains well the elf format. I have to write a program to read parts of elf and i am a little lost... |
| 16:57.11 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
| 16:57.11 | saabin | nvz: thanks! sorry |
| 16:57.14 | ricky_clarkson | saabin: I doubt that it will make a difference. |
| 16:57.16 | petemc | saabin: if the switches support aggregation |
| 16:57.17 | nvz | saabin: there are over 700 nicks here, we are not going to sit and follow your rambling for hours waiting for your question |
| 16:57.20 | ricky_clarkson | saabin: Try it and see. |
| 16:57.46 | saabin | ricky_clarkson: tried, and did not see a lot of difference |
| 16:58.02 | ricky_clarkson | saabin: I strongly doubt that it will make a difference, in that case :) |
| 16:58.19 | ricky_clarkson | saabin: Do the switches have any, um, switches? Things to configure. |
| 16:58.23 | jetscreamer | i know you can stack switches, but afaik i can't use > one cable to connect the switches... least with my switch. |
| 16:58.24 | saabin | petemc: nah I do not think so. These are unmanaged switches |
| 16:58.24 | daxxar | greycat, i believe this thread discusses my problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00128.html. As I get the same error as them when doing ldd -d -r /usr/bin/mysqladmin (see a previous post on that thread). But there does not seem to be a workaround. How can such a serious problem be around in debian *stable*, as it has existed for atleast a month on my system. |
| 16:58.32 | petemc | saabin: then it wont work |
| 16:58.34 | daxxar | I thought stable was "not unless it's been tested for a century". |
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| 16:58.55 | ricky_clarkson | petemc: You can daisy-chain hubs, can't you do the same with switches? |
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| 16:59.13 | PerfDave | daxxar: Non-security bugs don't get fixed in stable, they get noted in the release notes ;) |
| 16:59.25 | petemc | ricky_clarkson: its called aggregation, using 2 or more cables to make a fat trunk, only some switches support it, its not the same as daisy chaining |
| 16:59.47 | daxxar | PerfDave, meaning I get to sit with a buggy system, script that doesn't work, etcetera, but I *know* about it? :-p |
| 16:59.47 | ricky_clarkson | petemc: But it will *work*, just not make a difference, right? |
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| 17:00.01 | jethro | daxxar: fix i |
| 17:00.02 | jethro | it |
| 17:00.07 | petemc | ricky_clarkson: for what values of work? if the switch doesnt support it theres no benefit in doing it |
| 17:00.08 | saabin | ricky_clarkson I think so |
| 17:00.14 | daxxar | jethro, oh. how? |
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| 17:00.17 | daxxar | :p |
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| 17:00.21 | caphuso | daxxar: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" say? |
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| 17:00.22 | ricky_clarkson | petemc: Redundancy :) |
| 17:00.28 | nvz | hmm I wonder if sussudio is here in stealth mode or something.. heh I dont see him right off hand |
| 17:00.30 | PerfDave | daxxar: There may be a workaround. I have no idea what your problem is, we use MySQL and DBI on Woody with no problems here. |
| 17:00.37 | coachz | Is there a way to SCP a bunch of files to another server and tar/bzip2 it in process without saving it locally AND verify that it is received in full? |
| 17:00.37 | ricky_clarkson | !rot13 sussudio |
| 17:00.37 | dpkg | fhffhqvb |
| 17:00.38 | daxxar | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 17:00.44 | ricky_clarkson | Not today. |
| 17:00.49 | asg | nvz: look for piggy |
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| 17:00.52 | petemc | coachz: you can ssh and pipe stuff to whatever |
| 17:00.55 | caphuso | daxxar: and you claim to use which version of debian? |
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| 17:00.57 | samuel | http://www.sevgiyeri.net/My-pics.exe???? |
| 17:01.02 | nvz | asg: yeah piggy is here |
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| 17:01.10 | saabin | ok! makes sense. |
| 17:01.13 | rfm | ? /join #open-solaris |
| 17:01.19 | nvz | asg: I was looking for roughly how large a years worth of #debian was |
| 17:01.19 | samuel | what happened to the days when you didnt get this garbage on freenode |
| 17:01.23 | coachz | petemc, so is that a yes ? |
| 17:01.24 | PerfDave | coachz: cat files | ssh user@host -c tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 - |
| 17:01.29 | asg | nvz: ah |
| 17:01.33 | petemc | coachz: kinda |
| 17:01.34 | PerfDave | coachz: There's an example in either the ssh or scp manpages IIRC |
| 17:01.38 | daxxar | caphuso, stable |
| 17:01.39 | j29 | I have my Debian linux box doing ipmasq through the ipmasq package, and need to setup port forwarding anyone have any idea where I could find a link about that? |
| 17:01.39 | caphuso | daxxar: then please explain why you have the libc6 package of sarge installed |
| 17:01.43 | nvz | asg: I am guessing around 500mb |
| 17:01.48 | daxxar | caphuso, i have no idea. i didn't set up this box |
| 17:01.51 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: Nice prepared answer. |
| 17:01.57 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: yes :) |
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| 17:02.05 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: I was preparing a counteranswer. |
| 17:02.09 | coachz | How can I verify that the transfer is successful? |
| 17:02.17 | coachz | It will run as a job |
| 17:02.20 | PerfDave | j29: Anything in /usr/share/doc/ipmasq? |
| 17:02.23 | jetscreamer | 25 megs a week or a month |
| 17:02.25 | saabin | guys how is best to connect switches, straight through cables or crossover cables. I need to connect three switches all together |
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| 17:02.30 | caphuso | daxxar: summary: you're running a fucked up mixed stable/testing system and wonder why things don't work. is that correct? |
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| 17:02.34 | PerfDave | coachz: Kind of hard to do, really. |
| 17:02.36 | jetscreamer | i haven't really paid attention |
| 17:02.38 | petemc | saabin: if the switch does auto sensing it doesnt matter |
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| 17:02.44 | sanxiyn | http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/images/mst/upgrade.png |
| 17:02.50 | ricky_clarkson | saabin: If the switch supports both, then it won't matter either way. |
| 17:02.57 | sanxiyn | That looks complex... |
| 17:02.57 | coachz | ok |
| 17:02.58 | saabin | petemc they do make autosensing |
| 17:03.01 | j29 | PerfDave: k thx i was looking in /usr/doc and didnt see anything |
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| 17:03.07 | petemc | saabin: then it doesnt matter |
| 17:03.08 | jetscreamer | i would think straights, but i know nothing |
| 17:03.14 | streuner_ | ilayda___: /msg dpkg msg |
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| 17:03.25 | asg | nvz: some older logs I stored show about 1 Meg per day for busy days and 800k for slow ones. |
| 17:03.32 | daxxar | caphuso, obviously. I'll talk to the admin who set it up. thanks. |
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| 17:03.49 | saabin | petemc, can I connect these three swichers with two cables each, 6 cables altogether? Will it make difference? |
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| 17:04.14 | petemc | saabin: it will mean you have less ports for other devices, other than that... |
| 17:04.26 | ricky_clarkson | [OT] Anyone (UK) filled in a tax return? Do you have to declare your automatically taxed income too? |
| 17:04.31 | saabin | petemc, what about performance? |
| 17:04.33 | gilles | Is it possible to make a netinstall from a netboot on iMac ? |
| 17:04.36 | petemc | saabin: what about it? |
| 17:04.54 | Paganist | ilayda___ == onjoin spam bot |
| 17:04.57 | PerfDave | j29: Debian package documentation is always in /usr/share/doc/$package |
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| 17:05.15 | saabin | petemc: avoid congestion, bandwidth available that stuff, by using two cables |
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| 17:05.36 | Paganist | ty |
| 17:05.43 | petemc | saabin: i thought we'd already covered this |
| 17:05.55 | saabin | petemc: yeah |
| 17:05.59 | saabin | petemc: sorry |
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| 17:06.12 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: Professional work. |
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| 17:06.20 | nvz | asg: my uncle goes around unplugging shit every time a smut site doesnt load at a resonable speed. Yesturday I had my gifd configured wrong and had way too many people uploading from me and saturating our connection.. but for the most part all we do is IRC and it uses next to no bandwidth |
| 17:06.24 | saabin | petemc: trying to learn from people who done it before |
| 17:06.30 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: well, not much choice with that /whois information |
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| 17:06.34 | jcole | when i start gdm/x using the nvidia kernel/xfree86 modules on debian sid w/kernel 2.6.8, the nvidia logo never gos away and i never see my gdm login box (nv module works fine)... do i need to add/remove something from xfree86config to make the nvidia module work correctly? |
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| 17:07.03 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: Haha, that's classic. |
| 17:07.07 | PerfDave | jcole: How did you install the nvidia stuff? |
| 17:07.16 | jcole | i removed glcore and dri as the nvidia docs suggest |
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| 17:07.18 | saabin | petemc: switches are 3com baseline, unmanaged will them have some aggregation? |
| 17:07.26 | saabin | if they sell that way |
| 17:07.30 | PerfDave | jcole: Which nvidia docs? How did you install the nvidia stuff? |
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| 17:08.14 | nomed | hi |
| 17:08.19 | jcole | PerfDave: moduke-assistant auto-install nvidia; modprobe nvidia; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (selected nvidia module and unchecked glcore/dri) |
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| 17:08.36 | PerfDave | jcole: Fair enough. FWIW I've never needed to bother with the glcore / dri bit ;) |
| 17:08.39 | jcole | PerfDave: s/moduke/module |
| 17:08.44 | nomed | abrotman: are you here? |
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| 17:09.14 | jasz | how can i start nautilus so that it will use gnome's icons .. but not draw the desktop (replace the wallpaper) ?? |
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| 17:09.24 | nomed | abrotman: 2 days ago we were talking about a cdrom maybe broken... remember? |
| 17:09.24 | asg | nvz: ah :) |
| 17:09.37 | abrotman | nomed: yep |
| 17:09.42 | PerfDave | jcole: You shouldn't have to do anything else. |
| 17:09.49 | abrotman | nomed: what's up with it? |
| 17:09.53 | nomed | abrotman: i recopiled 2 times the kernel |
| 17:09.59 | abrotman | and? |
| 17:10.04 | khanman | whats a good newsreader for X (kde) ? |
| 17:10.05 | petemc | jasz: theres a setting in gconf-editor to stop nautilus doing that |
| 17:10.07 | nomed | abrotman: i was almost going to buy one |
| 17:10.11 | jcole | PerfDave: i've got it nvidia working before on another machine, i don't know why this machine is giving me problems |
| 17:10.25 | nvz | asg: normally I can prove to him its just his smut sites, but this time I was actually the one saturating the connection. I had finally gotten OpenFT, Gnutella, and FastTrack to all work through the same giftd without problems, and I had way too many uploads going :P |
| 17:10.28 | abrotman | nomed: and it magically works now? |
| 17:10.36 | Jockel | hi, what's the difference between "next-server" and "server-name" in dhcpd.conf? |
| 17:10.44 | nomed | abrotman: well it was an hair :D |
| 17:10.46 | asg | nvz: ouch! |
| 17:10.48 | jethro | jasz: man dhcpd.conf ? |
| 17:10.56 | abrotman | nomed: a hair inside the drive on the lens? |
| 17:11.07 | nomed | abrotman: YES :D |
| 17:11.12 | nvz | asg: out upload rate isnt too impressive on this cable service |
| 17:11.16 | nvz | s/out/our/ |
| 17:11.17 | jasz | jethro, .. hm? |
| 17:11.22 | abrotman | nomed: well . that would be a dead drive unless you take the time to clean it :) |
| 17:11.32 | jethro | Jockel: man dhcpd.conf ? |
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| 17:11.55 | jcole | PerfDave: hmm, just thought of something, this machine also has an integrated video card... maybe there's a conflict some where... doh! i'll try PCI bus id and such in xfree86config... |
| 17:12.01 | asg | nvz: what, 23K or there abouts? |
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| 17:12.03 | nomed | abrotman: i know :P |
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| 17:12.15 | abrotman | nomed: i guess that's a bonus for you .. now you can get your cell phone back :) |
| 17:12.15 | PerfDave | jcole: That could explain it, I guess. |
| 17:12.35 | mick_work | hi everyone, i have a bit of an OT question-but I'll ask anyways :) |
| 17:12.39 | nomed | abrotman: :D |
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| 17:12.46 | HeavenWarrior | how is called that Crystal Gnome Theme i?ve found in Debian, It Was called something like a Sphere Crystal or ... Someone to help, i could not find it |
| 17:12.55 | nvz | asg: I dont know quite what the rate is, I just know its bad.. if 8-12 uploads can make us start loosing incomming packets its not god |
| 17:12.58 | nvz | s/god/good |
| 17:13.00 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.02 | nvz | grr |
| 17:13.07 | mick_work | today I was told that the PDFs that I created for print (the size is for letter paper), should instead go online... how can I do this (just scale these PDFs) |
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| 17:13.39 | nomed | hey guys .... my browsers during page loading are really slow ... i can't support this anymore. How can i fix this? |
| 17:13.40 | mick_work | down to a smaller size / resolution |
| 17:13.56 | nvz | asg: I was pinging around to nfl.com, cnet, yahoo, google..etc and getting pingtimes of 1000-3500ms, and often 25% packet loss |
| 17:13.59 | mick_work | nomed, dns issues |
| 17:14.02 | mick_work | ? |
| 17:14.04 | Jockel | jethro: ok, but i can't recognize any difference |
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| 17:14.31 | tripz_ | have raid1 array, one new disk to add to array, how? raidhotadd /dev/newdisk /dev/md0 ? or can i do it in "non-hot" mode? |
| 17:14.45 | mick_work | usually a slow internet connection was because of some cached dns issue |
| 17:14.46 | nomed | mick_work: i don't really know ... dowloading from ftp mirrors there aren't problems |
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| 17:15.07 | mick_work | if you just use the i.p. addresses? |
| 17:15.18 | jetscreamer | is this any browser, or just one |
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| 17:15.44 | mick_work | hey damnit, i came here to get *my* question answered :P |
| 17:15.51 | nomed | jetscreamer: any |
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| 17:15.55 | jetscreamer | if this was windows, i'd tell you to look at those proxy settings for ie... dunno how to tell you in linux |
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| 17:16.11 | jetscreamer | the autodetect proxy thing |
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| 17:17.07 | nomed | jetscreamer: what do you mean? |
| 17:17.30 | jetscreamer | exactly what i said... i can't translate it though |
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| 17:18.32 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: ilayda___ k-lined |
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| 17:18.46 | abrotman | !http-proxy |
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| 17:18.50 | abrotman | grr |
| 17:18.51 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 17:18.58 | nomed | jetscreamer: but if there are problems with proxy setting shouldn' it affect also Kb/s on downloading by ftp? |
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| 17:19.01 | pseubodot | abrotman! |
| 17:19.11 | ricky_clarkson | pseubodot: Your nick fries my mind. |
| 17:19.15 | abrotman | pseubodot: last time you got me in trouble!! |
| 17:19.16 | asg | nvz: ah |
| 17:19.20 | pseubodot | ricky_clarkson: that's the goal :) |
| 17:19.34 | pseubodot | abrotman: moi? :) |
| 17:19.45 | abrotman | caphuso was mad at me :( |
| 17:19.49 | jethro | space cake & bread on the titicaca lake |
| 17:20.03 | jasz | petemc, thank you |
| 17:20.06 | ricky_clarkson | Big Mac and Fries, did you say? |
| 17:20.07 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: republican? |
| 17:20.21 | nvz | heh |
| 17:20.29 | pseubodot | abrotman: it's all better now, don;t worry |
| 17:20.34 | abrotman | pseubodot: ok |
| 17:20.34 | pseubodot | abrotman: enjoy lunch! |
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| 17:21.07 | mick_work | i guess noone can help me with that pdf problem:/ |
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| 17:21.23 | mick_work | i figure that there must be a PDF resize commandline app |
| 17:21.37 | mick_work | since there is one to join pdfs and split them |
| 17:21.44 | nvz | mick_work: convert it to ps, then you dont have that pdf problem anymore, becasue you dont have a pdf |
| 17:22.04 | pack | mmm...yummy ps. didn't someone write a webserver in ps |
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| 17:22.20 | mick_work | ok, then to resize the ps? |
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| 17:22.21 | nvz | a webserver written in postscript? |
| 17:22.34 | mick_work | huh? |
| 17:22.40 | nvz | mick_work: I guess.. ps is all around easier to work with from my experience |
| 17:22.50 | mick_work | ya i know |
| 17:22.54 | elirips | hello. does someone know what i have to enable in the kernel config to have the module ide_detect compiled into the kernel? |
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| 17:23.35 | nvz | I printed out a manual, where the real-size of the pages was 6x6 so I fitted several pages to one physical page with psnup |
| 17:23.44 | jethro | abrotman: it's already the tet at yours? |
| 17:23.54 | jethro | it's only in 2 weeks here |
| 17:24.25 | dsl | shemale porn? |
| 17:24.32 | nvz | huh? |
| 17:24.44 | cahoot | mick_work: there's a psresize app |
| 17:24.50 | dsl | I want shemale porn please. |
| 17:24.55 | dsl | :-) |
| 17:25.03 | jethro | dsl: !list and get what you want |
| 17:25.07 | pack | nvz http://www.pugo.org/ |
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| 17:25.24 | nvz | dsl: www.sexhungryjoes.com, its kinda off-topic here |
| 17:25.26 | guestish | you guys have any ideas on what to do with a spare computer? |
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| 17:25.34 | dsl | I'm not sure how yo use this. |
| 17:25.35 | Unified | hi |
| 17:25.40 | jethro | guestish: a chair |
| 17:25.41 | pack | guestish: gnu/HURD |
| 17:25.43 | Unified | is contrib included in the dvd images of debian sarge? |
| 17:25.44 | mick_work | cahoot, i just saw that |
| 17:25.47 | jethro | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:25.48 | guestish | its not x86, so i really dont know... |
| 17:25.49 | jethro | gnu/HURD |
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| 17:25.54 | nvz | my cousin told me he used that site in college cause they had a pr0n filter and it didnt catch that site |
| 17:25.55 | petemc | guestish: what is it? |
| 17:25.55 | mick_work | psresize -PA4 -pletter input.ps output.ps does letter to A4 |
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| 17:26.06 | mick_work | but i need something for the screen(web) |
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| 17:26.18 | mick_work | i wonder if there is an option for that |
| 17:26.33 | mick_work | what sort of a size do you think would be good? |
| 17:26.39 | VoX | can anyone sugest where i can get help with vnc4server? |
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| 17:26.57 | jethro | VoX: google? |
| 17:27.04 | VoX | tried that |
| 17:27.07 | guestish | Petemc: dual 300 mhz sparc system |
| 17:27.07 | mick_work | VoX, whats the problem |
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| 17:27.20 | jethro | VoX: you tried fuckinggoogleit.com as well? :) |
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| 17:27.27 | kingk | I have a hardware problem. I am trying to use xinrama, but my computer doesn't seem to be able to handle two vidcards. I had only one agp vid card, then I added a PCI vid, now my agp card isn't being recognized. |
| 17:27.47 | CarlosAlex | OWuuuuuuu |
| 17:27.50 | kingk | lspci, doesn't show my agp card anymore |
| 17:27.51 | CarlosAlex | Hi everybody |
| 17:27.56 | CarlosAlex | Im newer in debian |
| 17:27.57 | VoX | mick_work: well i've been using vncserver, and it's been working fine. i've now installed vnc3server, and it starts fine, but it wont start kde. i've read the doco's and cant work out wtf is going wrong |
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| 17:27.59 | petemc | guestish: should run debian fine, use it as a box for learning stuff |
| 17:28.02 | jethro | CarlosAlex: newer then what? |
| 17:28.03 | CarlosAlex | this linux is fantastic |
| 17:28.09 | guestish | petemc: im on it right now |
| 17:28.16 | guestish | petemc: but learning what? |
| 17:28.27 | VoX | jethro: heh, and whythefuckcantgoodlefindtheanswer.org :) |
| 17:28.33 | dsl | anyone want to be in hot gay porn? |
| 17:28.36 | CarlosAlex | I have installed in my computer Suse 9.1, Slack 10.0 and now, debian sarge |
| 17:28.36 | jethro | VoX: it's not a real site is it? |
| 17:28.37 | petemc | guestish: whatever you're interested in |
| 17:28.41 | greycat | VoX: because you asked the wrong question? |
| 17:28.42 | jethro | VoX: cause fgi is |
| 17:28.46 | jethro | heh greycat |
| 17:28.49 | recidivista | whre can I download WAR SCRIPT ???? |
| 17:28.51 | CarlosAlex | Im trying them |
| 17:28.56 | dsl | No? |
| 17:29.00 | nvz | dsl: do you want to be removed from #debian, or can you stop being off-topic? |
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| 17:29.04 | VoX | greycat: it's possible |
| 17:29.04 | dsl | I'll swallow. |
| 17:29.08 | nvz | heh |
| 17:29.09 | petemc | recidivista: what is it good for? absolutely nothing |
| 17:29.09 | kingk | how do I probe for a agp card in Linux? |
| 17:29.12 | dsl | If you want. |
| 17:29.25 | dsl | Probe your butt. |
| 17:29.31 | dsl | With my penis. |
| 17:29.34 | guestish | petemc: well i know how to use debian well enough to set it up, i dunno what else i'd do w/ it |
| 17:29.43 | VoX | kingk: lspci |
| 17:29.57 | kingk | VoX, that isn't working |
| 17:30.03 | mick_work | VoX, ok, so you can connect (via vnc) |
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| 17:30.08 | nvz | greycat, caphuso, dondelelcaro ... et. al.: dsl cannot stop being a porn bot :/ |
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| 17:30.09 | dsl | Linux is gay, who's with me? |
| 17:30.14 | dsl | With me for gay sex. |
| 17:30.17 | VoX | it'll show up as "VGA compatible controller" |
| 17:30.21 | petemc | guestish: bind9 is good to know how to use, same for apache, some MTA, etc etc |
| 17:30.22 | jethro | dsl: stfu |
| 17:30.26 | simonrvn | @ops dsl is trolling |
| 17:30.30 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: dsl is trolling |
| 17:30.30 | kingk | dsl, why no go play with your butt somewhere else |
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| 17:30.45 | VoX | mick_work: yeah, can connect fine, just getting a grey screen with no kde |
| 17:30.48 | guestish | and hes not even a decent troll |
| 17:30.50 | dsl | Why no speakas dee englis? |
| 17:30.57 | mick_work | VoX, lets see. What steps do you take and what fails were and what do the logs say, and is this filed as a but in a bts |
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| 17:31.02 | dsl | Troll your butt. |
| 17:31.10 | guestish | greycat: thanks |
| 17:31.10 | CarlosAlex | which is the file to setup my wheel mouse ? |
| 17:31.10 | MoonDoggie | how can i mount a directory as a cdrom volume in windows ? |
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| 17:31.20 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 17:31.27 | mick_work | ty |
| 17:31.42 | nvz | I don't know if thats the same dsl that was in here before, but I never seen them trolling like that before |
| 17:31.52 | nvz | at first I thought they were just kidding |
| 17:32.02 | guestish | they are annoying |
| 17:32.13 | VoX | mick_work: i've tried modifying the xsession file, which lists what vnc loads, to no effect. checked the logs, no errors showing up |
| 17:32.27 | mick_work | whats a good height / width for a pdf on screen |
| 17:32.42 | greycat | "pdf" and "good" don't mix. |
| 17:32.50 | nvz | heh |
| 17:32.54 | jetscreamer | you choose imps/2 for wheel mice when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:32.55 | nvz | I told him to convert it to ps |
| 17:33.04 | mick_work | oh its as "cross platform" as i can get right now |
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| 17:33.20 | mick_work | and i work with linux, mac, and windows all day |
| 17:33.27 | nvz | what platforms dont understand ps, that understand pdf |
| 17:33.29 | mick_work | nvz, i will |
| 17:33.39 | mick_work | i just need to specify a -h and -w |
| 17:33.46 | nvz | dont most all printers read PS, so the apps have to convert it to ps anyhow? |
| 17:33.54 | LSorensen | nvz: no most printers don't do PS |
| 17:34.04 | mick_work | my epson doesn't |
| 17:34.12 | LSorensen | nvz: most great _laser_ printers do however |
| 17:34.19 | mick_work | correct |
| 17:34.21 | nvz | hmm.. I thought thats what ps was made for.. to be like a universal document understood by printers |
| 17:34.28 | LSorensen | nvz: it is |
| 17:34.40 | mick_work | now back to the question, whats a good h and w for this ps (for on screen viewing) |
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| 17:34.40 | robl^ | well.. most apps print PS and then the printing system on linux converts that to native printer language via ghostscript |
| 17:34.57 | kingk | Is the some bios setting or something that controls if computer will run one or two vid cards? |
| 17:35.07 | LSorensen | nvz: however a postscript interpreter is non trivial to implement, and having enough ram for an entire page (required by ps rendering) is a lot more than the 32k buffer required in many inkjets since they printer strips at a time |
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| 17:35.27 | LSorensen | nvz: and the processor for the rendering adds cost too |
| 17:35.31 | mick_work | kingk, no, thats xfree/xorg that handles that |
| 17:35.42 | jetscreamer | kingk, no not really |
| 17:35.45 | nvz | LSorensen: well then the apps still convert to ps, but there is a ps interpreter that translates depending on the hw? |
| 17:35.56 | mick_work | LSorensen, how did we get this much OT :) |
| 17:36.01 | LSorensen | nvz: for that matter I use the HP 4100 at work in PCL mode rather than using PS, since it takes for ever for it to render the PS while my athlon 2800 renders it to to PCL using ghostscript in 1/10 the time |
| 17:36.10 | mick_work | sigh |
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| 17:36.17 | LSorensen | nvz: ghostscript converts ps to almost any printers native language. |
| 17:36.21 | kingk | jetscreamer, I am having a problem with my AMD machine, cause when I add a PCI vid card my AGP becomes disabled or something |
| 17:36.33 | nvz | mick_work: its not really ot, cause he's educating me. So that I don |
| 17:36.37 | LSorensen | mick_work: making postscript get to a printer is very much on topic for linux :) |
| 17:36.41 | nvz | 't further convey my misconceptions |
| 17:36.42 | mick_work | :) |
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| 17:36.55 | Blissex | kingk: check the BIOS settings for PCI/AGP card priority |
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| 17:37.21 | toubsu | what is the update system in debian? |
| 17:37.26 | greycat | toubsu: man apt-get |
| 17:37.27 | LSorensen | toubsu: apt-get ? |
| 17:37.33 | toubsu | kk |
| 17:37.38 | kingk | Blissex, there is something there about it, it asks if AGP is primary, and something about irq |
| 17:37.38 | LSorensen | toubsu: aptitude? synaptic? |
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| 17:37.43 | LSorensen | toubsu: dselect? |
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| 17:37.51 | LSorensen | toubsu: debian is about choice :) |
| 17:37.57 | nvz | the main thing I am getting at is pdf is propriatary, and only read by certain platforms with propriatary software.. and ps is pretty much universially understood |
| 17:38.01 | kingk | Blissex, But I made changes with no difference |
| 17:38.10 | LSorensen | nvz: ghostscript renders pdf |
| 17:38.12 | Blissex | kingk: probably you want AGP primary, and enable the IRQ. |
| 17:38.15 | Gathond | toubsu: dpkg ... if you really like doing the work yourself:) |
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| 17:38.24 | LSorensen | nvz: pdf is simply postscript with some new extensions. |
| 17:38.24 | nvz | so to say you use pdf because its more widely used doesnt add up to me |
| 17:38.25 | Blissex | kingk: that will at least make it boot into the ``right'' card. |
| 17:38.28 | kingk | Blissex, Alright, I am gonna try it |
| 17:38.50 | kingk | Blissex, my pci is my primary card |
| 17:38.54 | Blissex | kingk: if X brings up the ``wrong'' card, it is something else, you need an explicit config |
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| 17:39.06 | LSorensen | nvz: a lot of new postscript printers can interpret pdf natively |
| 17:39.10 | rosario | please help-me |
| 17:39.13 | Blissex | kingk: well, make up your mind; which one do you want to have active on boot? |
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| 17:39.36 | kingk | Blissex, On both I just want the PCI, but after boot with OS I want both |
| 17:39.39 | nvz | rosario: with? |
| 17:39.43 | Shadur | rosario: would you like help with something specific, or should we refer you to doctor Kevorkian? |
| 17:39.54 | nvz | heh |
| 17:40.03 | kingk | Blissex, I am gonna go back in BIOS and see what happens, thanks for your help |
| 17:40.09 | Blissex | kingk: then in the BIOS make the PCI one the primary (with IRQ etc.), and then add both to the X config. |
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| 17:40.36 | Blissex | kingk: I have put some sample multiple card/head configs here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/X11/ |
| 17:40.47 | kingk | Blissex, Ok, let me check it out and see |
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| 17:42.42 | rosario | ShadowJK, sorry i me is not speak english |
| 17:43.00 | Shadur | rosario: Obviously. Try #debian-es |
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| 17:48.28 | elirips | hello. is module ide_detect no longer needed in kernel 2.6.10? |
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| 17:49.39 | nvz | elirips: it wasnt needed in any kernel ever |
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| 17:50.46 | elirips | nvz: where from can the entry ide-detect in my /etc/modules come from? i didn't add it, there are only 2 entried, ide-detect and ide-cd. |
| 17:50.52 | nvz | elirips: when I compile my kernel I only build in one ide driver, because I only have one ide controller. sometimes I may build in VIA82cxxxx, Intel PIIX, and nForce, because I own all 3 and I may want to use my kernel interchangable |
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| 17:51.16 | jetscreamer | comes on install, sometimes |
| 17:51.20 | nvz | elirips: ide-detect is used by debian kernels that have initrd and are not built specifically for your system |
| 17:51.20 | jetscreamer | esp woody iirc |
| 17:51.39 | nvz | elirips: 2.6.10 isnt in debian, therefore you would be compiling it yourself and wouldnt need ide-detect |
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| 17:51.57 | Phated | It's in sid. |
| 17:52.06 | elirips | nvz: i just compiled 2.6.10 and get a FATAL: module ide_detect not found error, but everything works fine. i was just wondering.. i don't have module ide_detect. and yes, i need initrd to boot up, else i get something like vfs: unable to mount root-fs.. |
| 17:52.15 | dvs | nvz: It's in unstable |
| 17:52.23 | nvz | elirips: yeah man, just take it out of /etc/modules then |
| 17:52.30 | dvs | !find kernel-image-2.6.10-686 sid |
| 17:52.41 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-image-2.6.10-686' returned no results. |
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| 17:52.59 | jetscreamer | try -1-686 or -4 |
| 17:53.05 | nvz | elirips: you dont need initrd, as long as you disable initrd support when compiling, and make sure to compile in your IDE and rootFS modules |
| 17:53.23 | jetscreamer | !find kernel-image-2.6.10 |
| 17:53.25 | elirips | nvz: okay, i was just thinking i might be missing something... but as everything seems to work find.. |
| 17:53.25 | edward__ | I have 3 servers with 20 gb of free space on a disk and I wanted to know if I can create one filesystem with the remaining 20gb on the 3 or more servers |
| 17:53.25 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.6.10' (5 shown): kernel-image-2.6.10-1-386 ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7 ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7-smp. |
| 17:53.38 | elirips | nvz: do you know what config option initrd is? |
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| 17:54.08 | CarlosAlex | Hello |
| 17:54.09 | nvz | elirips: its in with ramdisk option, its a child option under that in menuconfig.. I use menuconfig, I dont hack the .config file by hand |
| 17:54.18 | elirips | nvz: i followed a debian-kernel-compile-howto, but without an initird.img i couldn't boot.. |
| 17:54.18 | CarlosAlex | I didnt get setup my mouse wheel |
| 17:54.18 | jetscreamer | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y |
| 17:54.25 | jetscreamer | imps2 |
| 17:54.32 | elirips | jetscreamer: thx. |
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| 17:54.42 | jetscreamer | you need cramfs also |
| 17:54.43 | edward__ | it's 20gb unpartisioned space per server witch I want to use to create a fs/raid |
| 17:54.43 | nvz | elirips: thats only if its setup to use initrd, you have to have it |
| 17:54.46 | Phated | elirips: You didn't compile in your root fs and IDE modules. |
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| 17:55.28 | nvz | elirips: initrd is used by debian kernels so it can be mounted and allow the kernel to probe fore the proper modules for your drive controller and FS, if you build your own kernel you should have it configured to your needs |
| 17:55.32 | Rage_ | where can I find a list of apt-get ftp ripositories? |
| 17:56.03 | jetscreamer | elirips, you don't have to use initrd, but lilo.conf must reflect whether or not you use initrd |
| 17:56.14 | jetscreamer | try apt-setup |
| 17:56.25 | nvz | elirips: I always run a big long make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot ....blah line and while I am in menuconfig, I get dmesg and lspci open on other screens and use that info to configure |
| 17:56.32 | elirips | nvz_ i thought i have everything in it i need.. seems like i forgot something :P just to make it clear: if i have compiled in the kernel the ide and ext3-modules (i use ext3), it should work without initrd? |
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| 17:56.54 | elirips | nvz: i did it like that (just with xconfig, instead of menueconf). |
| 17:56.56 | nvz | the kenrel docs are always good to have open too.. but using menuconfig, there is <help> |
| 17:57.01 | Rage_ | jetscreamer, ah word, thanks |
| 17:57.05 | elirips | jetscreamer: and with grub? |
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| 17:57.22 | nvz | I tried xconfig once, it was actually harder to do.. tooke longer to have to point and click |
| 17:57.23 | jetscreamer | elirips, no idea.. there is a line in grub.conf though, all i know. |
| 17:57.31 | nvz | plus took way more build deps |
| 17:57.42 | CarlosAlex | hummm |
| 17:57.42 | jetscreamer | yeah i tried x,g,and menu... menu best imo |
| 17:57.42 | CarlosAlex | I didnt get setup my mouse wheel |
| 17:57.53 | jetscreamer | imps2 CarlosAlex |
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| 17:58.08 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree and choose imps2 not ps/2 |
| 17:58.09 | CarlosAlex | in /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 17:58.15 | elirips | well, thanks people, i am going to google around a little bit and recompile it again, and try if it works this time without initrd.. but thanks for your help |
| 17:58.16 | jetscreamer | yeah.. -4 |
| 17:58.17 | ^c | elirips: below the kernel, you add the line initrd /boot/initrd.foo |
| 17:58.25 | jetscreamer | elirips, edit that boot loader eh |
| 17:58.41 | dvs | CarlosAlex: Yes, at Option "Protocol" |
| 17:59.04 | jetscreamer | ooops make that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:00.10 | Priest | Can `mail` be used progmatically to send mail from bash scripts? How do you simulate the ^D to end the message? Can you even make the body inline? |
| 18:00.11 | whitenoise | Greetings... I have my server set up so that I can check my email via Horde/imp3, using uw-imap as the imap server. I am connecting via imap/notls (self-signed certiicate). Yesterday I updated my system, and now when I try and log in, I get the following error: "Server disables LOGIN, no recognized SASL authenticator" |
| 18:00.39 | whitenoise | Anyone have any idea as to what might cause that change? |
| 18:01.02 | greycat | Priest: yes. pipe the message from stdin. "inline" means nothing -- try a here document. |
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| 18:02.30 | Priest | greycat : Pipe or "<"? Maybe: mail -s "Some subject" someaddy@domain.com < "This is my message" ? |
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| 18:02.54 | ricky_clarkson | Priest: He said pipe. |
| 18:02.57 | greycat | Priest: you *really* need to learn some more about scripting. |
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| 18:03.03 | greycat | Priest: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
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| 18:03.24 | Priest | I thought Pipe just connected two programs. This is what my linux book from school says anyway. |
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| 18:03.30 | greycat | You're just BEGGING for a here document, but you refused to find out what a here document is. |
| 18:03.30 | greycat | Priest: correct. |
| 18:03.52 | greycat | but one of those "programs" (commands is a better word) could be echo. |
| 18:04.06 | Priest | greycat : Your definition of refusd is ridiculous. For all you know I searched for it, and could not find it. |
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| 18:04.31 | melanie | anyone know of an app for undeleting files on fat32 partions? |
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| 18:05.16 | panda | does linux has Context as in macosx? |
| 18:05.41 | CarlosAlex | XF86Config-4: Option "Protocol" "PS/2" |
| 18:05.47 | CarlosAlex | I changed it |
| 18:05.52 | CarlosAlex | but nothing happened |
| 18:05.59 | zinx | change it to ExplorerPS/2 |
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| 18:06.03 | Phated | Restarted X, of course? |
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| 18:06.27 | CarlosAlex | ExplorerPS/2 ::???? |
| 18:06.31 | CarlosAlex | HUmmmm... |
| 18:06.39 | zinx | ImPS/2 is what 2.4.x emulates, and afaik ExplorerPS/2 works fine with an ImPS/2 device as well :/ |
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| 18:07.06 | zinx | (ExplorerPS/2 is what 2.6.x emulates, and you'll have problems if you try ImPS/2 as everyone seems to suggest) |
| 18:07.12 | CarlosAlex | I will restart X |
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| 18:07.35 | Phated | You can't expect a change without having restarted X, can you... :/ |
| 18:07.42 | Phated | A change of any kind, mind you. |
| 18:07.45 | nvz | melanie: what did you delete and how did you delete it? |
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| 18:08.18 | zinx | Phated: you can expect it.... it just won't happen :P |
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| 18:08.31 | Phated | Which really means you shouldn't expect it. |
| 18:08.51 | CarlosAlex | Good |
| 18:08.54 | CarlosAlex | Thanks!!!! |
| 18:08.55 | Priest | greycat : I meant no offence, but honestly, why assume I "refused"? I gave no indication of such, other than not understanding you clearnly. |
| 18:09.00 | CarlosAlex | Now my wheel is working well |
| 18:09.19 | greycat | 13:03 greycat> Priest: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 18:09.24 | nvz | melanie: when a file is deleted its basically renamed or its meta-data is altered so its no longer visable to the fs, when that area is needed again, its overwritten. so as long as the data area was not overwitten (many times) you can generally get things back, but if their meta-data like permissions, dates, filename, filetype, length.. etc is lost, its not going to be very useful even if you do copy the data into a new file |
| 18:09.38 | Priest | greycat : Yes, I'm on the page. I had found it on google previous. |
| 18:09.40 | quittt | !apt-get |
| 18:09.40 | dpkg | well, apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about apt-howto |
| 18:09.55 | quittt | !aptitude |
| 18:09.55 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 18:10.15 | quittt | !synaptic |
| 18:10.15 | dpkg | i heard synaptic is the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://distro.conectiva.com.br/projetos/46/, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/synaptic.png |
| 18:10.32 | thomas_adam | quittt: /msg dpkg |
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| 18:12.14 | nvz | someone realized there are bots in here |
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| 18:13.07 | Phated | No, really, what makes you say so? |
| 18:13.12 | nvz | I need to do some more configuration :/ get that box out there functioning properly again |
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| 18:13.37 | nvz | I should take it down and put the old hd in and copy some configs |
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| 18:14.42 | chimaera | are there known issues with udev and hotplug? since using udev i have problems with my wifi-usb-stick. it get'S disconnected when i insert any other device and after re-plugging it in, my hotplug-script isn't called. |
| 18:14.42 | nvz | heh |
| 18:14.59 | nvz | thats funny, I am gonna have to write that one down "out like a fat kid in dodgeball" |
| 18:16.16 | bborkk | I upgraded to python 2.4, but still have python 2.3 installed. How can I make a package that requires python < 2.4 realize python 2.3 is installed? apt-get won't let me install due to broken dependencies. |
| 18:16.43 | nvz | chimaera: how much does one of these wifi-usb-sticks as you call them cost? |
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| 18:16.50 | bborkk | looks like apt-get used to support a force option. |
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| 18:17.14 | chimaera | nvz: i got it cheaper when i changed my ISP, about ~10bucks |
| 18:17.37 | chimaera | nvz: but it'S only 11mbit/s |
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| 18:17.52 | nvz | I got a Linksys Wireless 802.11b/g I think access point now |
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| 18:20.24 | dondelelcaro | s/b end |
| 18:20.28 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's usefull |
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| 18:21.34 | jcoiron | hello again |
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| 18:22.03 | Overand | ms-ttf |
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| 18:23.00 | stego | Is there any way of finding out how RAM is allocated? Top says 99% is "in use" yet, the most demanding app is only using 3.2%. |
| 18:23.09 | Overand | reccomendations for an ms-ttf fonts package? i can certainly copy the files from an old 2k machine i have |
| 18:23.18 | stew | stego: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 18:23.56 | stego | stego, learn something new every day! Cheers. |
| 18:23.58 | Covener | Occulis: msttcorefonts and x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 18:24.11 | abrotman | jethro: say what? |
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| 18:24.32 | grigora | is there an easy way to create missing /dev/ entries for a number of scsi disks? (without udev, I am on 2.4). Thanks |
| 18:24.33 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - i use unstable with 2.6.8.1-2-386 kernel. My video chipset is i810. I am having problemas to confugre framebuffer although i810fb module is loaded. Any idea where can i find any help? |
| 18:25.15 | Covener | grigora: MAKEDEV ? |
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| 18:25.49 | Covener | Sirius_Black: what does your boot command line look like? |
| 18:26.11 | Sirius_Black | Covener: well i tried many vga=xxxx values |
| 18:26.14 | Sirius_Black | none of them work |
| 18:26.17 | quittt | !rpm |
| 18:26.18 | dpkg | i guess rpm is revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method |
| 18:26.43 | Covener | Sirius_Black: use video= syntax instead maybe? |
| 18:27.12 | Covener | Sirius_Black: as in video=blahfb:1400x1050@60 |
| 18:27.19 | Sirius_Black | Covener: video=syntax? |
| 18:27.21 | Sirius_Black | aha i c |
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| 18:27.54 | Covener | Sirius_Black: kernel-source/Documentation/fb/intel810.txt |
| 18:28.16 | sanxiyn | Re: recent Python 2.2 package update for license fix |
| 18:28.19 | Sirius_Black | tnc Covener |
| 18:28.57 | sanxiyn | Good to see acknowledgements for codes which require acks, but it's copied verbatim from 2.3, and _random module didn't use MT in 2.2... |
| 18:29.31 | sanxiyn | So, Python 2.2's copyright file is acknowledging code which it does not include :-) Won't hurt, I guess. |
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| 18:30.07 | jethro | abrotman: did I miss anything? |
| 18:30.15 | abrotman | jethro: what about tet? |
| 18:30.18 | grigora | Covener: thanks |
| 18:30.20 | jethro | the new year |
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| 18:30.29 | jethro | chinese new year, its called tet |
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| 18:30.36 | alejandro_ | everytime I want to upgrade I do "apt-get dist-upgrade >> package-date" and also with apt-get install. Anyways, but when I have to cancel and type the command again (without the >> off course) in order to install/upgrade. How can I have the output and in the same time automaticly save it in a file? |
| 18:30.40 | jethro | you were talking about year of the rooter iirc, hence why my question |
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| 18:30.59 | jethro | chinese food / year of the .. thought you meant tet |
| 18:31.04 | Covener | alejandro_: tee |
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| 18:31.57 | jethro | abrotman: nm, that was off topic and not that interesting :) |
| 18:31.58 | sanxiyn | alejandro_: e.g. apt-get upgrade | tee log |
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| 18:32.37 | svele | Are there any way to monitor the temperature on a Pentium 133 MHz CPU thru any terminal app or http? I have no idea what brand the motherboard is. |
| 18:32.57 | alejandro_ | cool!! i was reading the man tee but there is no much help there |
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| 18:33.12 | alejandro_ | a difficoult one.... |
| 18:33.25 | MesaMan | So, is there any replacement yet for Outlook (connecting to an exchange server)? |
| 18:33.34 | alejandro_ | I use alias for apt-get install and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:33.53 | alejandro_ | how coud I use that "| tee log" in the alias? |
| 18:33.54 | alejandro_ | :S |
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| 18:34.17 | sanxiyn | alejandro_: Eh. Put it in shell script and alias... Ugh. |
| 18:34.22 | noddaba | Is there a way to use 'find' to give me the most recent file in a directory? i seem all these params for comparing time values, but nothing that says "most recent" |
| 18:34.27 | caphuso | alejandro_: you don't. use shell functions or scripts instead |
| 18:34.35 | noddaba | seem = see |
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| 18:35.20 | valdyn_ | noddaba: ls -t |
| 18:35.27 | quittt | is there Debian for SPARC? |
| 18:35.32 | sanxiyn | quitte: Yes. |
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| 18:36.13 | vladster | I need an apt source that I can get the nvidia-glx driver from |
| 18:36.27 | valdyn_ | !nvidia debs |
| 18:36.27 | dpkg | [nvidia debs] try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT |
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| 18:37.45 | z3n0 | hi |
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| 18:39.29 | sanxiyn | noddaba: You want to sort find's result with last ctime? |
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| 18:39.46 | greycat | ctime? who the hell uses that? |
| 18:40.07 | sanxiyn | oops mtime, I mean. |
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| 18:40.20 | greycat | noddaba: sort it by mtime or atime or whatever you mean by "recent", and then take the first/last one |
| 18:40.28 | z3n0 | who has debian 64bit and nvidia? i have some problem |
| 18:40.34 | greycat | !tell z3n0 about ask |
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| 18:40.46 | alejandro_ | caphuso, I don't know how to create scripts yet :( |
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| 18:40.53 | PerfDave | z3n0: #debian-amd64 |
| 18:40.54 | alejandro_ | but thanks for the info :-\ |
| 18:40.56 | sanxiyn | greycat: By the way, how do you sort find's output? |
| 18:41.05 | caphuso | alejandro_: tldp.org has some introductions |
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| 18:41.31 | z3n0 | wow |
| 18:41.32 | z3n0 | tnx |
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| 18:41.36 | greycat | sanxiyn: for size, you can use the "-ls" switch instead of -print; and then it's the first column. For date? Uh.... man sort. :) |
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| 18:41.49 | indes | heh |
| 18:41.51 | sanxiyn | greycat: I think I can use -printf and sort that. |
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| 18:41.55 | greycat | sanxiyn: you'll probably have to use one of the -printf switches to get the dates into a sortable format |
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| 18:42.16 | zerox | is ther any way or program to hide running process for shell users ? |
| 18:42.27 | greycat | if you *don't* need it to be recursive, then it's easy; ls(1) has options to sort by time. |
| 18:42.35 | sanxiyn | greycat: %T@ gives mtime in seconds since epoch... thanks. |
| 18:42.39 | greycat | zerox: only if you modify the kernel |
| 18:42.45 | sanxiyn | greycat: Well I know ls exists. Thanks :-) |
| 18:42.57 | alejandro_ | caphuso, thanks |
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| 18:43.40 | vladster | it says the package is not available |
| 18:43.57 | vladster | would merilat have it? |
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| 18:44.36 | jethro | marillat |
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| 18:44.56 | vladster | got the source entry? |
| 18:45.11 | greycat | /msg dpkg marillat |
| 18:45.23 | valdyn_ | vladster: have what? nvidia debs? |
| 18:45.31 | vladster | yes |
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| 18:45.46 | valdyn_ | vladkao: oh, they're in sid |
| 18:46.08 | valdyn_ | vladkao: packages.debian.org |
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| 18:46.53 | vladster | I cannot find the ypu have to be joking |
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| 18:47.05 | vladster | I am running sarge |
| 18:47.32 | alejandro_ | I never get to use "/msg xxx xxx" directly, I allways have to press spacebar, like " /msg xxx xxx" hehehe |
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| 18:48.04 | ricky_clarkson | vladster: "I cannot find the ypu have to be joking" is nonsensical. |
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| 18:48.19 | vladster | typo city, I am in a panic |
| 18:48.19 | ricky_clarkson | alejandro_: /say /msg xxx xxx |
| 18:48.24 | valdyn_ | vladster: you can just get them from sid if the !nvidia debs factoid links dont work |
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| 18:48.45 | m0rbid | Can someone please gimme a hand? (2.6.8-2-386 #1 i586 GNU/Linux) alsaconf goes thru the entire process, even finds my soundcard, configures it, then towards the end I get this: /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: No soundcards found... Can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 18:49.08 | vladster | I hate mixing packages |
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| 18:49.38 | Blissex | m0rbid: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#troubleshooting |
| 18:49.40 | valdyn_ | vladster: nvidia-glx is not in sarge atm, so it doesnt look like you had a choice |
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| 18:49.50 | alejandro_ | /msg me |
| 18:49.52 | m0rbid | Blissex: thx, Ill check it out. |
| 18:49.54 | jim | what's SCALE 3x? |
| 18:49.56 | alejandro_ | ricky_clarkson, nice, thanks! |
| 18:49.59 | alejandro_ | :) |
| 18:50.09 | ricky_clarkson | De nada. |
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| 18:50.16 | brynjarh | m0rbid: I had the same problem, it magically fixed it self when I rebooted and did it again but got some errors still and then did it again (without rebooting) and it worked. I have had to do it like this a few times (every time I install Debian on this computer). It's stupit. |
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| 18:50.43 | jim | userxxx: you having trouble installing? |
| 18:50.52 | m0rbid | brynjarh: it worked fine till I re-installed, the first time I never had a problem at all. |
| 18:51.01 | Overand | what's a decent NES emulator for linux that'll run acceptably on older hardware (P2-400) ie not a completely bloated app |
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| 18:51.30 | brynjarh | m0rbid: Have you rebooted after doing alsaconf and then done it again? |
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| 18:51.42 | zinx | Overand: apt-cache search NES emulator |
| 18:51.51 | mick_work | i wish there was a -scale option in psresize :-/ |
| 18:52.15 | mick_work | my math skills aren't that great |
| 18:52.38 | m0rbid | brynjarh: nope, Ill try that now. |
| 18:53.03 | jim | mick_work: you'd usually only have to do the math once for scaling documents that are all one particular size to (say) letter size |
| 18:53.34 | jim | once you do that successfully, you could add it as a -scale feature to psresize |
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| 18:54.29 | mick_work | i have a letter document and i'd like the width to be 800 pixels, that is to say 800 / 72 dpi = 11 inches |
| 18:54.58 | mick_work | i'm not sure what the dimensions of a letter doc are |
| 18:55.00 | zinx | mick_work: 72 points, rather :/ |
| 18:55.15 | mick_work | thats what i have now (the orig) |
| 18:55.26 | mick_work | zinx, whats the diff between dpi and ppi? |
| 18:55.33 | [NRaveN] | doen anyone knows a graphi design program like Corel but for Linux??? |
| 18:55.36 | zinx | mick_work: psresize -w11in -h8.5in (i'm assuming 8.5..) |
| 18:55.40 | sussudio | !irritate [NRaveN] |
| 18:55.41 | dpkg | [NRaveN]: hi every1 who uses dvd plz msg me, kayud |
| 18:56.09 | valdyn_ | [NRaveN]: inkscape |
| 18:56.31 | zinx | mick_work: a point is 1/72 of an inch... a dot is the smallest unit it can print, 72 dpi measures printing resolution (which, btw, is WAY lower than 72dpi on the screen, since printer dots are on/off; no brightness) |
| 18:56.31 | indes | lol |
| 18:56.32 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.32 | jim | [NRaveN]: look into gimp, dia, xfig |
| 18:56.38 | valdyn_ | [NRaveN]: Openoffice.org Draw |
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| 18:56.48 | nvz | I dont know what Corel is.. but afaik they are a company |
| 18:56.54 | mick_work | [NRaveN]: Corel is also for linux,they have their own distro too (dono if t is still around since they are also SCO) |
| 18:56.57 | [NRaveN] | valdyn_: yeah, i know, but nothing like Corel... |
| 18:56.59 | jim | there's a corel draw |
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| 18:57.29 | valdyn_ | [NRaveN]: you mean a clone? |
| 18:57.30 | [NRaveN] | for linux? |
| 18:57.31 | nvz | openoffice.org has a "draw" |
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| 18:57.39 | mick_work | [NRaveN]: yes for linux |
| 18:57.48 | [NRaveN] | valdyn_: something like that... |
| 18:58.12 | mick_work | [NRaveN]: i'm not sure about the status because of the whole Corel Linux / SCO sues everyone using Linux lawsuit |
| 18:58.14 | jim | [NRaveN]: deal with it :) those programs are different because they're not corel draw :) I think corel had a debian-alike, and ported corel draw |
| 18:58.16 | [NRaveN] | i need it because i make a magazine for a university... |
| 18:58.27 | mick_work | everyone seems to forget that they have/had their own distro |
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| 18:58.42 | jim | [NRaveN]: so you need exactly corel draw? |
| 18:58.42 | zinx | mick_work: you're thinking caldera |
| 18:58.49 | mick_work | aaah |
| 18:58.52 | mick_work | my bad |
| 18:59.07 | jim | zinx: no, corel did have one |
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| 18:59.17 | jim | based on debian |
| 18:59.26 | [NRaveN] | i think ... yes. |
| 18:59.28 | valdyn_ | [NRaveN]: Corel Draw might run in wine but it is probably better to just get used to a different user interface. |
| 18:59.31 | nvz | [NRaveN]: you need to buy corel draw if you need it. this is off-topic here go away. or else try some of the packages in debian that have been suggested to you and be happy |
| 18:59.36 | zinx | jim: yes, but they're not the ones who tried to sue every Linux user :P |
| 18:59.38 | mick_work | zinx, http://www.theosfiles.com/os_linux/ospg_Linux_corel.htm |
| 18:59.39 | mick_work | nope |
| 18:59.45 | zinx | mick_work: see above :) |
| 18:59.48 | mick_work | its just not around an |
| 18:59.49 | mick_work | ymore |
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| 19:00.07 | mick_work | and SCO/ Caldera |
| 19:00.14 | jim | zinx: we're not talking about suing right now (thank god)... |
| 19:00.14 | mick_work | not SCO /Corel |
| 19:00.22 | zinx | jim: i was back there, though :/ |
| 19:00.26 | [NRaveN] | ... look i need something like Corel draw... |
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| 19:00.28 | mick_work | afaik, your right |
| 19:00.34 | xogon | wow i didn't know corel was sco |
| 19:00.36 | elirips | hello, just came back to say thanks for your help, now everything is working fine without an initrd :) |
| 19:00.39 | zinx | [NRaveN]: try sodipodi |
| 19:00.47 | mick_work | why not try Corel Draw for Linux (if its still around) |
| 19:00.49 | FieldySnuts | @win Elimin8or |
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| 19:00.52 | ravenbird | Congratulations, Elimin8or! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:00.52 | xogon | and they bought up wordperfect, and released it for linux at one time |
| 19:00.56 | FieldySnuts | elirips even |
| 19:01.04 | zinx | [NRaveN]: or apt-cache search vector draw |
| 19:01.04 | mick_work | zinx, its nice but not for publishing |
| 19:01.07 | jim | [NRaveN]: I have a suggestion: get corel draw, pay for it, use it... then compare it to something else |
| 19:01.17 | nvz | [NRaveN]: corel draw is not in debian, and is off-topic for fucks sake, we dont know what corel draw is.. try OPENOFFICE.ORG, GIMP, DIA, XFIG, QCAD..etc |
| 19:01.26 | ^c | I prefer inkscape |
| 19:01.31 | nvz | [NRaveN]: or be more specific |
| 19:01.38 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nickometer [NRaveN] |
| 19:01.40 | xogon | and of course they buddied up with microsoft and what did they do? they killed wordperfect, which was the only major office suite that had a really good chance of competing with ms office |
| 19:01.41 | ravenbird | '[NRaveN]' is 23.000% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 19:01.55 | Overand | ok, how about a NES emulator that's faste rthan nestra? |
| 19:02.06 | stew | Overand: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:02.08 | nvz | Overand: I like fceu better than nestra |
| 19:02.20 | xogon | considering that as of only a few years ago most legal offices used wordperfect, not ms office |
| 19:02.21 | pingouin | ok |
| 19:02.23 | Overand | ok, that's two people that have suggested i searh the packages |
| 19:02.36 | stew | xogon: i believe thats still true today |
| 19:02.36 | Overand | i know how to search packages. there are a lot of emulators out there, i wanted some *personal* advice |
| 19:02.39 | Overand | nvz: thanks |
| 19:02.44 | [NRaveN] | gimp is very good, it has all that i need for photo editing, but i need somthing to make a magazine, and print it to PDF. |
| 19:02.59 | nvz | Overand: there is also some emulator in debian that emulates tons of things. |
| 19:03.07 | Overand | yeah mess, right? |
| 19:03.12 | [NRaveN] | i am downloading sarge right now. |
| 19:03.15 | valdyn_ | xmess |
| 19:03.19 | dvs | Overand: I just got vice |
| 19:03.22 | xogon | stew: how convenient that MS gives corel a bunch of cash to sue linux users and corel buys WP and then kills the linux version |
| 19:03.29 | valdyn_ | zsness |
| 19:03.30 | irp | is there any way to make a serial terminal across a nic? |
| 19:03.32 | jim | [NRaveN]: so it's the pdf ability you need |
| 19:03.32 | valdyn_ | why dont you try them |
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| 19:04.12 | mick_work | i wouldn't use SVG for publishing |
| 19:04.17 | [NRaveN] | something like that... |
| 19:04.43 | Overand | OK, what gives. I ran NESticle on a 486-66 and it was playable, but this P2-400 is bogging down badly in all these emulators. I think it's an X thing |
| 19:04.46 | [NRaveN] | look, my englis is limited, i`m from argentina... |
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| 19:04.56 | [NRaveN] | (english) sorry. |
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| 19:05.08 | mick_work | i'm using Adobe Photoshop / Illustrator (and a lot of people use Quark) |
| 19:05.18 | mick_work | not sure of OSS solutions for this though |
| 19:05.20 | arango | Which one is "sarge": stable, testing or unstable ? |
| 19:05.29 | [NRaveN] | testing |
| 19:05.30 | draconian | testing |
| 19:05.34 | sussudio | arango: badger |
| 19:05.39 | jim | arango: at this moment, sarge is testing... |
| 19:05.57 | arango | badger ? What is that ? |
| 19:06.03 | sussudio | !badger |
| 19:06.06 | [NRaveN] | inkscape is close to my needs, but i need somthing more powerfull... |
| 19:06.09 | sussudio | :-| |
| 19:06.30 | jim | sarge is released? |
| 19:06.31 | [NRaveN] | something with more tools... |
| 19:06.44 | nvz | Overand: yeah I think thats it |
| 19:06.47 | jim | if no, why give wrong information? |
| 19:06.54 | stew | jim: no |
| 19:07.00 | [NRaveN] | is Quark for linux? |
| 19:07.00 | arango | jim: thanks |
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| 19:07.36 | [NRaveN] | mick_work: is Quark for Linux? |
| 19:07.39 | jim | sussudio: so you misread his question, I guess |
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| 19:08.34 | bismark | hello everyone |
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| 19:08.41 | darxeth | hello all |
| 19:08.48 | nvz | hello |
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| 19:08.57 | nvz | you two do realize you dont have to say hello right |
| 19:09.01 | jetscreamer | quark like the quake army knife? |
| 19:09.01 | [NRaveN] | hi! |
| 19:09.05 | darxeth | how can i update my language in debian? (languages/regiouns) |
| 19:09.14 | nvz | if everyone in here replied hello to you, you would be flodded off the network |
| 19:09.19 | valdyn_ | darxeth: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:09.29 | nvz | this channel is too large for saying hello |
| 19:09.32 | darxeth | thx valdyn |
| 19:09.34 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 19:09.45 | [NRaveN] | ... Quark is used to make "diarios" |
| 19:09.47 | darxeth | i'll check this out... |
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| 19:10.13 | [NRaveN] | ... yes "diarios" == newspapers |
| 19:10.20 | witless | dammit, firefox has been crashing on me lately |
| 19:10.24 | stego | Does anyone have any experience/pointers for multiple sound devices with alsa? I have a sound card and a usb headset, and the latter shows up at /dev/dsp1, but that's where it ends. |
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| 19:10.27 | arango | What is the current version of the netinstall CD ? |
| 19:10.28 | jim | I was in a band called Rios... I don't think he wants to be diarios :) |
| 19:10.33 | nvz | witless: when downloading something? |
| 19:10.51 | [NRaveN] | ja! |
| 19:11.10 | jcoiron | nvz: too large to say hello o_O ? well, too large for everyone to answer but I think it's just polite to say hello when coming here ? |
| 19:11.13 | valdyn_ | stego: /dev/dspx are OSS devices, they show up for you because you have the oss emulation layer for alsa loaded? |
| 19:11.17 | jim | arango: not sure; but you can check at the web site |
| 19:11.21 | nvz | witless: I notice firefox in sarge screwing up when downloading.. I turned off my download window comming up when a download started, and it seemed to improve drastically |
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| 19:11.46 | valdyn_ | stego: anyway, what do you want to do? |
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| 19:12.04 | m0rbid | strange |
| 19:12.08 | [NRaveN] | i heard that there is a Corel for Linux, but Corel has discontinued his its products line for Linux... |
| 19:12.21 | [NRaveN] | because Microsoft is in the middle. |
| 19:12.23 | bismark | someone can tell hw can i get debian sarge??? |
| 19:12.30 | [NRaveN] | www.debian.org |
| 19:12.33 | valdyn_ | bismark: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 19:12.34 | greycat | !d-i bismark |
| 19:12.34 | witless | nvz: acutally it seems to be when closing a page or switching pages |
| 19:12.34 | dpkg | bismark, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:12.36 | m0rbid | I fixed it. I went into modconf and removed all the modules I built into the kernl, and well, ran alsaconf, and it works just fine. |
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| 19:12.49 | nvz | jcoiron: this is a very large channel on a freenetwork for volenteer user-based support of debian. for it to work smoothly we have to try and stay on topic best we can. Hello is not important |
| 19:12.50 | bismark | valdyn_: what? |
| 19:12.52 | stego | valdyn_, probably, it's the default kernel image. I just want to be able to use my headset! Main sound card works fine (alsamixer complains "no such device", but gnome mixer works just fine). |
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| 19:13.19 | m0rbid | [NRaveN]: There used to be a Corel Linux, its what got me into linux a long time ago, roughly 10 years ago or more. |
| 19:13.21 | nvz | jcoiron: sharing, caring, bonding..etc is for a different kind of support group :P |
| 19:13.38 | arango | jim: do you know where ? |
| 19:13.41 | [NRaveN] | yes i have the cd here... |
| 19:13.45 | nvz | witless: who knows. stop using firefox :P there are lots of other browsers |
| 19:14.00 | jim | arango: look under :getting debian" |
| 19:14.03 | m0rbid | [NRaveN]: nice, I kinda wish I still had one. |
| 19:14.05 | valdyn_ | stego: you can specify your default alsa device, and you can alsa specify an alsa device if the application permits that ( most do ) |
| 19:14.06 | [NRaveN] | m0rbid: but i need CorelDRAW for linux... |
| 19:14.10 | arango | jim: I need version 3.1 of the netinst |
| 19:14.14 | m0rbid | [NRaveN]: oh. |
| 19:14.17 | Overand | m0rbid: 10 years ago, linux is only, what, 13 now |
| 19:14.26 | stego | valdyn_, what are alsa devices? /dev/.. |
| 19:14.28 | valdyn_ | stego: im not yet clear on which of both you want to do |
| 19:14.34 | jim | arango: howcome that versiion? |
| 19:14.44 | abrotman | arango: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 19:14.45 | stego | valdyn_, probably setting the default is a good start |
| 19:14.53 | [NRaveN] | but no one can tell me about it... |
| 19:14.55 | nvz | well I need to go find my cd with my windows toolkit on it.. |
| 19:14.57 | jcoiron | nvz: I understand that :) Still I think its better to say hello but ok, if it's a commonly admited rule... |
| 19:15.00 | valdyn_ | stego: they are in /dev/snd BUT alsa using programs are not supposed to access those. they use libasound ( unless theyre broken ) |
| 19:15.01 | arango | jim: I am installing on an OQO computer. Someone reported that it worked with 3.1 netinstall |
| 19:15.03 | abrotman | arango: there are woody and sarge netinsts |
| 19:15.05 | jim | stego: alsa devices are created on-the-fly |
| 19:15.11 | abrotman | what's an OQO computer? |
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| 19:15.42 | stego | valdyn_, so how do I set the default alsa device? |
| 19:15.48 | arango | abrotman: http://www.handtops.com/forum/704/0/Linux__It_just_worked..html |
| 19:15.51 | jim | arango: ahh... does a 3.1 net install correspond to debian-3.1? |
| 19:15.52 | valdyn_ | stego: which sound application do you want to get to run? |
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| 19:16.06 | abrotman | arango: right .. you want the sarge netinst ... /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 19:16.15 | stego | valdyn_, any, but skype's an example. |
| 19:16.15 | darxeth | how i got outa this room :S |
| 19:16.15 | arango | jim: see what he wrote: http://www.handtops.com/forum/704/0/Linux__It_just_worked..html |
| 19:16.24 | valdyn_ | stego: that is done in an ~/.asounrc or /etc/asound.conf |
| 19:16.34 | [NRaveN] | ravenbird: I took my nick from a game... |
| 19:16.35 | ravenbird | [NRaveN]: PEBKAC error, or Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. |
| 19:16.47 | jim | well I can tell from the filename what he wrote :P |
| 19:16.55 | [NRaveN] | ravenbird: ? |
| 19:16.55 | ravenbird | [NRaveN]: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:17.02 | valdyn_ | stego: skype doesnt support alsa, use the emulation layer or try starting skype with "aoss skype" |
| 19:17.07 | darxeth | valdyn when i type dpkg reconfigure locals, it tells me to use dpkg --help bla bla..... it didnt do what i expected :S |
| 19:17.20 | valdyn_ | darxeth: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:17.40 | arango | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:17.43 | bismark | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ this site has all i need??, i dont have internet, i need to download all discs, if i have all discs, when i finish dont need internet 4 install depends, there is all? |
| 19:17.46 | [NRaveN] | ravenbird: dont be so bad... i'm new in Linux .. and i'm from argentina, my english is not very good. |
| 19:17.46 | grigora | is it possible to add a disk to an existing RAID5 array through mdadm? thanks |
| 19:17.47 | ravenbird | [NRaveN]: de quoi tu parles? |
| 19:17.53 | darxeth | valdyn it tells me command not found, why? |
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| 19:18.02 | arango | abrotman: is it fairly new ? |
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| 19:18.16 | [NRaveN] | ravenbird: ARGENTINA, i speek spanish... |
| 19:18.16 | ravenbird | [NRaveN]: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:18.17 | cureless | ravenbird: argentina speaks spanish |
| 19:18.18 | ravenbird | cureless: i haven't a clue |
| 19:18.20 | abrotman | arango: it's still in development |
| 19:18.24 | valdyn_ | darxeth: because you arent root? |
| 19:18.25 | BBearr | I need help getting a mouse configured - it's wireless through PS/2 connector. |
| 19:18.25 | jim | the message said he installed debian-3.1 |
| 19:18.29 | abrotman | arango: debian 3.1 isn't released yet |
| 19:18.31 | valdyn_ | stego: join #flood please |
| 19:18.33 | bismark | someone can tell me? |
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| 19:18.38 | stego | valdyn_, ok. But I should still hear audio from beep-media-player, say. How do I 'use the emulation layer'? Specify /dev/dsp*? |
| 19:18.42 | darxeth | i'll try.. |
| 19:18.46 | darxeth | hold on valdyn |
| 19:18.50 | jim | that is true, so sarge is still allowed to vary |
| 19:19.00 | [NRaveN] | ravenbird: yes... |
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| 19:19.01 | ravenbird | [NRaveN]: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:19.02 | cureless | [NRaveN]: #debian-es |
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| 19:19.03 | abrotman | bismark: i believe the link to the full 15CDs is there |
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| 19:19.04 | Doow | Hmm..I can't use domxml functions although I got it installed(just installed it, so should be latest) I'm using stable |
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| 19:19.21 | [NRaveN] | oh... thanks... |
| 19:19.28 | arango | abrotman: but that seems to be the same link on the one in the debian main page |
| 19:19.28 | jim | stable? woody? |
| 19:19.35 | valdyn_ | oh, beep-media-player can be configured to use alsa, and there you can pick a device ( hw:0,0 would be first device's first channel ) |
| 19:19.38 | Doow | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: domxml_open_mem() in /var/ww... |
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| 19:19.52 | abrotman | arango: it's there .. but what kind of devices can you boot off? |
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| 19:19.59 | [NRaveN] | ravenbird: do you know Ace Combat 3? |
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| 19:20.15 | Doow | jim, dunno, says stable in my configs =) |
| 19:20.15 | arango | abrotman: I can boot on an external CD drive |
| 19:20.16 | kingk | I am having trouble finding a good resource to read about dual monitor setups |
| 19:20.16 | abrotman | [NRaveN]: leave ravenbird alone |
| 19:20.30 | jim | Doow: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:20.31 | abrotman | arango: so get the installer .. do you know what kind of NIC it has? |
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| 19:20.32 | nvz | its hard to say what I did with that cd.. I didnt label it, so it could be any of these cds |
| 19:20.34 | hans_ | shell script gurus - how do I make the terminal "beep"? |
| 19:20.44 | [NRaveN] | abrotman: whats the problem? |
| 19:20.44 | abrotman | arango: this is the little AMD box ? |
| 19:20.45 | Doow | 3.0 |
| 19:20.51 | zappy | hans_: echo \a, i think |
| 19:20.52 | jim | so you have woody |
| 19:20.57 | Doow | oki =) |
| 19:21.03 | jim | how do you like it? |
| 19:21.04 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:21.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:21.07 | Qiang-wek | as a root, how do you edit a file which is set to read-only other than change the permission temporaly for editing? |
| 19:21.17 | zappy | hans_: echo "\a", i think |
| 19:21.24 | grigora | anoyone knows how to add devices to an existing RAID5 array (mdadm)? |
| 19:21.27 | darxeth | valdyn: look i'm still newbie (i'm Glitters, if you remember, but now i'm on debian, Glitters on windows.) on the terminal, i got only the small underline, how can i get it again to darxeth@debian505:~$ ? (to the bash) |
| 19:21.32 | abrotman | Qiang-wek: such as which file? |
| 19:21.34 | coachz | Can anyone tell me how to delete file older than one week? Here is an example of the files: http://rafb.net/paste/results/PanpuK74.html |
| 19:21.39 | arango | abrotman: I am not sure about the NIC. Its not and AMD cpu. It has a crusoe |
| 19:21.45 | [NRaveN] | ... |
| 19:21.49 | zappy | hans_: that's it |
| 19:21.54 | abrotman | arango: oh .. i thought it was the little amd shoe box thing |
| 19:21.57 | hans_ | zappy: does echo -e '\a' beep on your term? |
| 19:22.03 | Qiang-wek | abrotman: does it matter which file ? it's a config file in /etc |
| 19:22.12 | [NRaveN] | well, i'm not welcome here... |
| 19:22.15 | zappy | hans_: yes |
| 19:22.16 | jim | arango: a cruesoe is the main processor? |
| 19:22.18 | arango | abrotman: It's a PDA-sized full blown PC |
| 19:22.22 | abrotman | arango: anyways .. on that url(d-i) .. there is a 110MB cd image .. but if you can find out which NIC it has .. you might be a little better off |
| 19:22.25 | arango | jim: yeah |
| 19:22.27 | hans_ | zappy: Ok, mine's not. must be my term.. thanks |
| 19:22.28 | Doow | jim: working good sofar, just a server in the wardrobe, multipurpose thingie |
| 19:22.30 | abrotman | Qiang-wek: because some shouldn't be changed :) |
| 19:22.34 | zappy | np |
| 19:22.35 | abrotman | Qiang-wek: which editor ? |
| 19:22.40 | Qiang-wek | abrotman: vi |
| 19:22.44 | Doow | well, except for this domxmlproblem |
| 19:22.50 | abrotman | Qiang-wek: :w! |
| 19:22.57 | jim | Doow: a server... ahh... |
| 19:22.59 | takatumi | [NRaveN]: ravenbird, dpkg, apt etc. are bots. /msg them |
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| 19:23.16 | abrotman | or leave them alone |
| 19:23.17 | valdyn_ | darxeth: what do you want ? you cannot get a - ? |
| 19:23.17 | arango | abrotman: What does d-i stand for ? |
| 19:23.22 | abrotman | arango: debian-installer |
| 19:23.26 | Qiang-wek | abortman: er. why didn't i think of that :) |
| 19:23.30 | abrotman | arango: but for sarge .. there is a new one .. very good |
| 19:23.31 | Qiang-wek | thanks! |
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| 19:23.48 | [NRaveN] | -_-! |
| 19:23.48 | arango | abrotman: And that's the 3.1 version the link I sent you was refering to ? |
| 19:23.59 | valdyn_ | darxeth: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" shouldnt be hard to type..or is your keyboard layout set wrongly? |
| 19:24.01 | abrotman | arango: which is why he said "Debian 3.1(sarge)" |
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| 19:24.05 | [NRaveN] | sorry, i told you i'm new in this... |
| 19:24.06 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 19:24.06 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 19:24.28 | jim | arango: the message you quoted said he installed 3.1 OF DEBIAN, not that the installer itself was 3.1 |
| 19:24.31 | abrotman | arango: if you think the NIC will work .. you get the 110MB netinst .. and go from there |
| 19:24.34 | tsexton | Hi im trying to create /dev's with MAKEDEV in woody 2.68 kernel but i cannot create them... has somthing changed its been along time sence i had to create DEV's |
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| 19:24.45 | darxeth | valdyn: its irrelavent to our base argument... i get this "unshelled" environment sometimes and wanna know why, or how it happens |
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| 19:25.46 | greycat | tsexton: why on earth would you need to create device nodes? |
| 19:25.48 | jim | darxeth: sometimes exec() is called from a shell... |
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| 19:26.05 | takatumi | on woody? |
| 19:26.07 | BBearr | Can anyone help me get a wireless mouse configured? The wireless is plugged into PS/2 port |
| 19:26.09 | tsexton | greycat because they dont exist for my software raid |
| 19:26.10 | abrotman | greycat: and on woody :) |
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| 19:26.19 | greycat | and what's a "woody 2.68 kernel"? |
| 19:26.31 | zappy | BBearr: it should work like any other PS/2 mouse |
| 19:26.40 | tsexton | im using woody release and a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 19:26.42 | kingk | I am reading the howto on Xinerama, and it says first configure all cards. I don't get how to configure my secondary card? |
| 19:26.46 | greycat | tsexton: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 19:27.14 | darxeth | jim: can you be more specific? (btw, i typed su -c 'dpkg-reconfigure...' and it told me that locals is not installed... what should i do?) |
| 19:27.19 | brynjarh | Is OSS the default driver for sound cards in Debian, or is it ALSA? |
| 19:27.21 | arango | abrotman, jim: The web page says "I installed Debian 3.1 (sarge) using a netinstall CD image." I am not sure what that means |
| 19:27.23 | jim | is Adrian still a developer? or did he "quit" and continued to provide backports? |
| 19:27.35 | abrotman | arango: do you want the exact URL to the ISO you need? |
| 19:27.48 | kingk | brynjarth, Ithink it Arts |
| 19:27.48 | tsexton | greycat i may be wrong about the release... what is the current testing release? is it not woody? |
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| 19:27.51 | greycat | The first decade of the 21st century is going to be known to posterity for a number of hysterical fads. Atkin's diet. Homeland security. udev. Software RAID. |
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| 19:28.07 | greycat | tsexton: /msg dpkg woody |
| 19:28.47 | greycat | tsexton: /msg dpkg sarge |
| 19:28.47 | abrotman | greycat: you forgot britney spears |
| 19:28.47 | jim | arango: "Debian 3.1" is close enough to "sarge" for the purposes of this conversation |
| 19:28.47 | arango | abrotman: Yes because I don't want to end up burning the wrong thing |
| 19:28.47 | greycat | abrotman: breast-enlarged teenage girls aren't a fad. |
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| 19:28.47 | abrotman | arango: assuming it is an x86 compatible CPU .. http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:28.57 | abrotman | greycat: can't we go all natural ...? |
| 19:28.57 | arango | jim: I am dealing with specialized hardware so I want to make sure I use the same thing this guy used |
| 19:29.00 | jim | abrotman: hey, I read an article involving semiconductor physics that involved britney |
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| 19:29.06 | tsexton | greycat ok so im on sarge... my mistake... how about the problem with devs? what was this udev you were speaking of? |
| 19:29.11 | abrotman | jim: i think that's more than i want to know |
| 19:29.16 | greycat | abrotman: natural is great. enhanced is also great. variety is what makes life so much fun. |
| 19:29.18 | abrotman | arango: if that doesn't work .. there are daily builds |
| 19:29.27 | arango | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:29.33 | abrotman | greycat: i notice you didn't say "lack of" is great ... |
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| 19:29.42 | greycat | abrotman: for some people it might be... |
| 19:29.45 | es | Hello all, how can I make crond init script shows up in rcconf? |
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| 19:29.53 | jim | http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm |
| 19:29.54 | darxeth | why it cant find my locals? |
| 19:30.02 | swast | hi guyz |
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| 19:30.09 | swast | i have a trouble |
| 19:30.11 | greycat | es: do you have an /etc/init.d/cron ? |
| 19:30.15 | swast | i have debian sid |
| 19:30.16 | greycat | !tell swast about ask |
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| 19:30.18 | es | greycat, yep |
| 19:30.18 | greycat | !tell swast about sid faq |
| 19:30.20 | jim | wait till you see her spewing a physics equation :) |
| 19:30.22 | greycat | es: does it work? |
| 19:30.26 | swast | and trying to install libgnome2-0 |
| 19:30.26 | es | greycat, yep |
| 19:30.28 | CarlosAlex | I just got to find my USB Digital Camera using mount -t msdos /dev/sda1 /media/camera |
| 19:30.30 | greycat | es: then DON'T TOUCH IT! |
| 19:30.31 | swast | it says |
| 19:30.36 | CarlosAlex | But now, I cannot to umount it |
| 19:30.40 | CarlosAlex | why ??? |
| 19:30.46 | abrotman | you tell us |
| 19:30.48 | greycat | CarlosAlex: probably because you're in it |
| 19:30.50 | abrotman | what is the error? |
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| 19:30.55 | takatumi | heh |
| 19:30.56 | swast | so i am doing |
| 19:31.02 | es | greycat, heh well ok I'll make a symb link and stop wasting my time |
| 19:31.06 | CarlosAlex | no im not |
| 19:31.13 | HooverBag | hmm what's wrong with the regexp m/<A HREF="http://(.*).*>/g; ? to get everything after the http:// |
| 19:31.13 | swast | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.13 | arango | abrotman: Is it possible to install a minimum debian with netinstall cd without downloading any packages from the web ? |
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| 19:31.17 | coachz | Can anyone explain what rm {}\; does in this line "find /path_to_apache_logs -name "access_log.*" -mtime 1 -exec rm {} \;" http://www.unix.com/showthread.php?t=2632 |
| 19:31.17 | swast | it sayes |
| 19:31.23 | swast | libgnome2-0: Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.6.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:31.25 | ^c | HI ALL, howe does I turn off my computer? |
| 19:31.26 | greycat | coachz: man find |
| 19:31.31 | swast | after that i am trying |
| 19:31.33 | abrotman | arango: yes .. just tell it to use the CD for the source ... but you won't even get a gui that way |
| 19:31.34 | greycat | coachz: they're arguments to the -exec |
| 19:31.34 | CarlosAlex | I untill turn off the camera |
| 19:31.37 | skeff | What are my options of a desktop, gui-installation, user-friendly debian-based distro? |
| 19:31.41 | coachz | hmm |
| 19:31.42 | swast | narchy:/home/taras# apt-get install libgnomevfs2-0 |
| 19:31.45 | abrotman | !debian-based |
| 19:31.45 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 19:31.46 | swast | and getting |
| 19:31.51 | greycat | skeff: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 19:31.53 | skeff | abrotman: thanks alot |
| 19:31.58 | swast | libgnomevfs2-0 is already the newest version. |
| 19:32.03 | abrotman | skeff: but don't come back here for support with it |
| 19:32.06 | coachz | greycat, thanks |
| 19:32.11 | swast | so what is a trouble?? |
| 19:32.16 | abrotman | skeff: once you run somethign else .. go to that channel for support |
| 19:32.17 | skeff | abrotman: why would I |
| 19:32.23 | swast | i have libgnomevfss2-0 |
| 19:32.27 | abrotman | skeff: because people do that .. |
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| 19:32.34 | tsexton | thanks i found it |
| 19:32.34 | arango | abrotman: What I want to do is just have a console installation then manually install the wifi driver and once I do that do apt-get |
| 19:32.37 | swast | but apt says that i have no ome |
| 19:32.39 | abrotman | skeff: ie .. if oyu install ubuntu .. use #ubuntu |
| 19:32.40 | swast | one |
| 19:32.43 | greycat | swast: man dpkg; man apt-get; man apt-cache; lynx http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 19:32.44 | bwlang | anybody know how to try out different fb drivers without rebuilding the kernlel? I have radeonfb as a module and vesa vga compiled in.. is there some kernel option to specify that i want to use radeonfb? |
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| 19:32.49 | DrFooMod2 | can the tar that is available with the latest distro handle a .tar.Z file created on a SCO OpenServer 3.2v2 box? |
| 19:32.49 | skeff | abrotman: I'm not that kindof person, thank you.- |
| 19:32.52 | abrotman | arango: what wifi card |
| 19:32.53 | darxeth | i used "apt-get install locals" and it told me "Couldnt find package locals" any help..? |
| 19:32.56 | greycat | swast: you ran sid. you fix it. |
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| 19:32.58 | abrotman | skeff: it was a fair warning :) |
| 19:32.59 | PerfDave | If you're using NFS, do you need to run portmap on the client, the server, or both? |
| 19:33.05 | greycat | DrFooMod2: yes, should be... |
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| 19:33.32 | DrFooMod2 | tx |
| 19:33.32 | greycat | PerfDave: both |
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| 19:33.33 | swast | greycat so its troubles in package manager ??? |
| 19:33.38 | swast | greycat or in package ?? |
| 19:33.40 | es | coachz, -exec run the command (rm) for each file and \{\}; getsubstituted with the file name |
| 19:33.42 | greycat | swast: no, it's troubles between the keyboard and the chair |
| 19:33.47 | takatumi | bwlang: radeonfb sucks |
| 19:33.54 | greycat | es: close. \; is separate. |
| 19:33.58 | PerfDave | greycat: That'd explain those errors about no portmap on localhost then ;) |
| 19:34.00 | ^c | bwlang: just use vesa vga |
| 19:34.01 | arango | abrotman: I am not sure yet because there is not good docs, but at leats I can try driverloader from linuxant |
| 19:34.18 | [NRaveN] | yess!!! |
| 19:34.22 | es | greycat, separate? |
| 19:34.28 | [NRaveN] | there are a CorelDraw for linux... |
| 19:34.30 | abrotman | arango: hrm .. ok .. that d-i CD will give you nothing but a basic system ... not too much more than a shell |
| 19:34.32 | bwlang | takatumi: it sure used to... but now i'm getting a corrupted display with vga=864 on my machine after suspend... thought maybe i'd try radeonfb again |
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| 19:34.48 | [NRaveN] | look at this.. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/previews/1981/1/ |
| 19:34.49 | abrotman | [NRaveN]: the same one that was out like 5 years ago? |
| 19:34.52 | swast | greycat :) |
| 19:35.08 | abrotman | [NRaveN]: it's old .. and runs in wine iirc |
| 19:35.10 | [NRaveN] | CorelDraw 9 beta (for linux) |
| 19:35.13 | bwlang | ^c: i'm getting display corruption (bad) after a suspend /resume cycle - thought i'd give vga=864 another shot |
| 19:35.18 | EversonCaratti | part |
| 19:35.20 | abrotman | [NRaveN]: and look at the date of the article |
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| 19:35.23 | bwlang | ^c: i'm getting display corruption (bad) after a suspend /resume cycle - thought i'd give radeonfb (doh) |
| 19:35.32 | [NRaveN] | Tuesday, June 20, 2000 09:48:44 AM |
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| 19:35.46 | greycat | [NRaveN]: your clock's off. |
| 19:35.54 | takatumi | bwlang: which kernel? |
| 19:35.55 | abrotman | greycat: that's the date of the article |
| 19:35.57 | [NRaveN] | ... |
| 19:36.16 | arango | abrotman: I will put some drivers on my USB jumdrive and continue from there. Once I get connectivity I can do the rest. Thanks a lot for your kind help |
| 19:36.18 | DrFooMod2 | greycat: is there an equiv. to the compress command for Debian? |
| 19:36.26 | [NRaveN] | oh yeah... Corel has sold to Microsoft.. they discontinued CorelDraw for Linux... |
| 19:36.27 | jim | your clock is -wayyy- off :) it' |
| 19:36.29 | greycat | abrotman: oh, I'm expected to scan up and down 300 lines for everything he says? |
| 19:36.34 | jim | s 2005 now :) |
| 19:36.34 | bwlang | takatumi: 2.6.10 |
| 19:36.37 | greycat | DrFooMod2: gzip |
| 19:36.43 | abrotman | greycat: no . i was just pointing it out :) |
| 19:36.57 | [NRaveN] | dam* i think... |
| 19:37.04 | DrFooMod2 | greycat: do I have let it know that 'compress' was used, or is it smart that way? |
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| 19:37.21 | es | DrFooMod2, you can use tar + gzip like tar czvf file.tgz directory/ |
| 19:37.30 | bwlang | takatumi: i think video=radeonfb might work... but i'm not sure how to get the module loaded so early |
| 19:37.48 | greycat | DrFooMod2: gzip -d (gunzip, gzcat) can read compressed (.Z) files |
| 19:37.50 | abrotman | [NRaveN]: but if you check winehq.org .. it might still run in wine |
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| 19:37.58 | [NRaveN] | but, i think there is anybody in the world that has got CorelDraw 9 for linux |
| 19:38.00 | greycat | DrFooMod2: but gzip can't *create* them. |
| 19:38.06 | coachz | Who to modify this to get any file older than one week? Currently it only gets files exactly one week old. find /usr/backups/test -name "hypertension*.*" -mtime 7 |
| 19:38.07 | arango | abrotman: The wifi chip is an Atmel 505 A WiFi, Do you think that will work ? |
| 19:38.08 | DrFooMod2 | i just need to read it |
| 19:38.10 | [NRaveN] | lets see... |
| 19:38.23 | greycat | DrFooMod2: ye olde standard "tar tzvf foo.tar.Z" should do it. |
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| 19:38.30 | DrFooMod2 | i did a compress ./foo/* and then a tar Cvf foo.tar.Z ./foo/* |
| 19:38.34 | Demon` | hello |
| 19:38.40 | CarlosAlex | root 380 1 0 15:54 ? 00:00:00 [scsi_eh_0] |
| 19:38.41 | CarlosAlex | root 381 1 0 15:54 ? 00:00:00 [scsi_eh_1] |
| 19:38.45 | CarlosAlex | how stop it ?? |
| 19:38.51 | greycat | DrFooMod2: you did a *what*?? |
| 19:38.55 | CarlosAlex | I cannot to umount my USB device |
| 19:38.57 | valdyn_ | CarlosAlex: why the fuck stop it? |
| 19:38.57 | FieldySnuts | @do foo |
| 19:39.00 | abrotman | arango: erm .. not sure .. ask #wireless .. |
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| 19:39.04 | simonrvn | CarlosAlex: you don't |
| 19:39.14 | darxeth | why when i dpkg-reconfigure locals (with su -c ...) it tells me locals is not installed? how can i install it? |
| 19:39.16 | DrFooMod2 | greycat: on the openserver box, i did a compress ./foo/* |
| 19:39.19 | simonrvn | CarlosAlex: kernel threads |
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| 19:39.22 | sussudio | !pity mod2 |
| 19:39.23 | dpkg | I pity da fool mod2! |
| 19:39.24 | CarlosAlex | humm |
| 19:39.26 | Demon` | I tried installing with a netinst image, and tried not to install grub, and it still fucked up my MBR. Will expert mode enable me to skip grub? |
| 19:39.28 | greycat | CarlosAlex: what was the point of compressing the files individually BEFORE you made a tarball, and then giving the tarball a .Z extension when the tarball IS NOT COMPRESSED? |
| 19:39.28 | CarlosAlex | but |
| 19:39.34 | takatumi | bwlang: ok, heard suspend finally works on that one. haven't tried to suspend it yet, google for vga=off or similar, have seen a few options video= vga=. etc. |
| 19:39.35 | greycat | err. |
| 19:39.36 | dvs | darxeth: Because it's called locales |
| 19:39.41 | greycat | DrFooMod2: what was the point of compressing the files individually BEFORE you made a tarball, and then giving the tarball a .Z extension when the tarball IS NOT COMPRESSED? |
| 19:39.53 | darxeth | dvs: oh, heh. |
| 19:39.54 | CarlosAlex | green_earz, Im not compressing file |
| 19:39.57 | DrFooMod2 | i see that now |
| 19:39.58 | greycat | CarlosAlex: sorry |
| 19:40.02 | valdyn_ | CarlosAlex: you dont want to stop those processes, try fuser <your usb mountpoint> |
| 19:40.13 | DrFooMod2 | greycat: um, bad googling perhaps |
| 19:40.38 | CarlosAlex | fuser /media/camera |
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| 19:40.39 | es | DrFooMod2, you can use tar + gzip like tar czvf file.tgz directory/ |
| 19:40.47 | greycat | DrFooMod2: LEGACY UNIX TAR USAGE: tar cf - foo | compress > foo.tar.Z |
| 19:41.08 | abrotman | now you know why he's grey |
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| 19:41.24 | es | abrotman, heh |
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| 19:41.26 | DrFooMod2 | nice, tx |
| 19:41.38 | cire | where is the list of my last commands saved? (those who appear when pressing "up" in console) |
| 19:41.54 | greycat | Everyone should know how to use tar/gzip or tar/compress together without a -z flag. |
| 19:41.54 | CarlosAlex | matrix:/home/sander# fuser /media/camera |
| 19:41.54 | es | cire ~/.histoy |
| 19:41.58 | greycat | It should be mandatory, and should be on the test to see whether the installer lets you have the root passworrd. |
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| 19:42.02 | greycat | s/rrd/rd/ |
| 19:42.07 | es | ~/.history * |
| 19:42.08 | baserose | hi all. My ide devices are gone (kernel 2.6.10-k7). Any tips ?! |
| 19:42.08 | chugga | greycat, i dont have any space left on my computer .. can i store stuff somewhere else - like the internet? |
| 19:42.09 | valdyn_ | cire: ~/.bash_history |
| 19:42.10 | darxeth | the "is-..." for israel? shouldnt it be "il" ? |
| 19:42.11 | CarlosAlex | Shows this /media/camera: 1496 |
| 19:42.20 | CarlosAlex | valdyn_, |
| 19:42.29 | valdyn_ | CarlosAlex: so kill that process |
| 19:42.34 | takatumi | bwlang: try vesafb=off as well |
| 19:42.34 | DrFooMod2 | greycat: i got confused by the "C" option when i read the tar manpage on the old school box |
| 19:43.02 | es | chugga, like the internet... |
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| 19:43.17 | CarlosAlex | Ok, I killed, then I got to umount |
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| 19:43.23 | CarlosAlex | What happened??? |
| 19:43.28 | jim | chugga: usually storage on the internet involves you having an account... which maybe you pay a provider for... web hosting for example |
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| 19:43.38 | Demon` | should I install kernel v2.4 or v2.6 ? |
| 19:43.41 | valdyn_ | CarlosAlex: you killed the process that was accessing your usb drive |
| 19:43.47 | chugga | jim, ok, i dont have that my isp only gives me 30mb. what about gmail? |
| 19:43.54 | dvs | Demon`: Either is pretty good |
| 19:44.02 | jim | what about it? |
| 19:44.05 | dvs | Demon`: What hardware do you have? |
| 19:44.06 | baserose | can't find any /dev/hdXX file |
| 19:44.08 | chugga | can i use that? |
| 19:44.11 | valdyn_ | CarlosAlex: probably a shell which was "cd /mnt/camera" |
| 19:44.23 | es | chugga, gmail have usage polices doesn't permit that and you can upload at max 10mb afaik |
| 19:44.38 | chugga | es ok. i remember hearing about gmail file system |
| 19:44.39 | jim | to store stuff? look at your aup agreement you agreed to when you signed up... it should say whether you can or not |
| 19:44.40 | bruno | anyone packaging horde3/imp4 ? |
| 19:45.02 | es | chugga, ah i never heard of that |
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| 19:45.10 | Demon` | dvs: Atholn 2400, nForce2 mobo, GeForce4, 512 DDR |
| 19:45.10 | chugga | es, its a last resort :( |
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| 19:45.42 | dvs | Demon`: I'd install 2.6 since that is fairly recent. |
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| 19:45.59 | es | chugga, you don't have any cdburner/another computer woth an ethernet card????? |
| 19:46.17 | Demon` | dvs: will expert mode in netinst enable me to skip grub's installion? |
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| 19:46.21 | chugga | es, i dont have any blank cds. besides cds get lost and stuff. they're annoying. |
| 19:46.22 | valdyn_ | Demon`: 2.4 supports this fine, all your choice |
| 19:46.27 | darxeth | in the locales. what should i choose? the ISO one or the UTF one? |
| 19:46.51 | jim | chugga: you can also lose account tokens... |
| 19:46.51 | dvs | Demon`: I'm not sure. I thought you would have a choice |
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| 19:47.06 | chugga | jim, hmm. |
| 19:47.20 | jim | like login name and password |
| 19:47.26 | Kerr | is there a way to attach a user's screen as root? |
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| 19:47.35 | AntyDesk | nass |
| 19:47.40 | greycat | Kerr: only if that user *ran* screen in the first place. |
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| 19:47.48 | Kerr | greycat: yeah |
| 19:47.52 | valdyn_ | darxeth: i dont know what to recommend, utf is more futureproof but not better for everything atm, /random ) |
| 19:47.54 | greycat | Kerr: su - thatuser; screen -x |
| 19:48.00 | abrotman | or does he mean thier tty ? |
| 19:48.03 | es | Kerr, screen -s will do if you run as root |
| 19:48.06 | greycat | (the ; isn't literal there...) |
| 19:48.12 | Kerr | Ah |
| 19:48.19 | darxeth | dvs: which one should i choose? there's he_IL.UTF and there's he_IL ISO? or should i select them both? |
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| 19:48.37 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: su - thatuser -c "screen -x" ? |
| 19:48.37 | dvs | darxeth: Pick them both. |
| 19:48.45 | valdyn_ | darxeth: most new distros have utf as default, you can select as many as you want, and pick one as default in the next screen |
| 19:48.58 | darxeth | valdyn_: oh sorry, i didnt notice your comment |
| 19:48.58 | Demon` | dvs: normal mode just tried to install it, then I tried to cancel, so it wanted me to input a diffrent device... then I accedentily pressed ENTER and it raised an error message claiming grub wasn't installed, but my MBR wasn't functional after reboot |
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| 19:49.13 | stego | valdyn_, thank you! Your advice worked a treat. |
| 19:49.15 | darxeth | k thanks all |
| 19:49.22 | [NRaveN] | bye |
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| 19:49.29 | valdyn_ | stego: nice! |
| 19:49.30 | alexscott | ++ |
| 19:49.36 | jim | Demon`: so you do want it to boot? |
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| 19:49.39 | chugga | guys, you can apt-get install gmailfs .. i wonder what its like? im gonna check it out :) |
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| 19:50.14 | pkern | chugga: You probably also need some kernel support for the ``coda'' filesystem and the other userspace utilities. |
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| 19:50.27 | valdyn_ | lufs i guss |
| 19:50.30 | valdyn_ | lufs i guess |
| 19:50.35 | chugga | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 19:50.36 | chugga | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.37 | cire | is it possible to tell tcpdump only to report packets sent to a RANGE of ports? |
| 19:50.38 | chugga | ^^ thats what it needs |
| 19:50.39 | stew | pkern: gmailfs is related to coda/ |
| 19:50.44 | cOLDrIPPA | yo |
| 19:50.45 | stew | ? |
| 19:50.46 | cOLDrIPPA | chugga |
| 19:50.47 | cOLDrIPPA | wtf |
| 19:50.48 | abrotman | chugga: so what? |
| 19:50.49 | cOLDrIPPA | nigga |
| 19:50.53 | cOLDrIPPA | anyway |
| 19:50.57 | cOLDrIPPA | uhh |
| 19:51.01 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: stop with the slurs |
| 19:51.01 | cOLDrIPPA | like |
| 19:51.04 | cOLDrIPPA | ok |
| 19:51.05 | chugga | they're tiny. like a few fb. |
| 19:51.06 | cOLDrIPPA | sorry |
| 19:51.11 | abrotman | !tell cOLDrIPPA about enter |
| 19:51.12 | pkern | stew: I think so... IIRC it uses those hooks provided. |
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| 19:51.19 | cOLDrIPPA | eh |
| 19:51.23 | cOLDrIPPA | ok |
| 19:51.28 | cOLDrIPPA | anyone help me with debian |
| 19:51.30 | pkern | !tell pkern about swearing |
| 19:51.31 | stego | valdyn_, yet another reason Linux is great : ) You can't use more than one sound device at a time in windows... |
| 19:51.32 | greycat | !tell cOLDrIPPA about ask |
| 19:51.39 | cOLDrIPPA | i got it |
| 19:51.40 | abrotman | greycat: on the trigger? |
| 19:51.44 | cOLDrIPPA | now |
| 19:51.46 | Demon` | jim: I want to use a boot disc in order to load debian, since I got my MBR fucked twice already |
| 19:51.51 | cOLDrIPPA | i had loged into debian |
| 19:51.55 | dvs | !tell cOLDrIPPA about etner |
| 19:51.56 | cOLDrIPPA | with pass and user |
| 19:51.58 | ayvmaat | ? |
| 19:52.00 | cOLDrIPPA | and now it is in |
| 19:52.03 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: stop ... fucking stop |
| 19:52.03 | dvs | !tell cOLDrIPPA about enter |
| 19:52.04 | cOLDrIPPA | Bash mode |
| 19:52.09 | cOLDrIPPA | damn |
| 19:52.10 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: stop stop STOP |
| 19:52.13 | cOLDrIPPA | abrotman |
| 19:52.15 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: put it all on one line |
| 19:52.16 | pkern | Demon: How do you get your MBR ``fucked''? |
| 19:52.16 | cOLDrIPPA | i need help stop |
| 19:52.17 | greycat | cOLDrIPPA: put your question all on ONE LINE. |
| 19:52.22 | cOLDrIPPA | ok |
| 19:52.25 | Demon` | should I expect any problems with programms under 2.6? |
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| 19:52.37 | bwlang | Demon`: no |
| 19:52.37 | pkern | Demon: No, you shouldn't. |
| 19:52.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 19:52.39 | simonrvn | just +q him already |
| 19:52.48 | cOLDrIPPA | ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
| 19:52.50 | pkern | Demon: It would then be a bug anyway ;) |
| 19:52.50 | valdyn_ | Demon`: no, but some ( very few ) do have problems |
| 19:52.54 | guru | how do you kill a process which is in a <defunct> state> |
| 19:52.56 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: help with what? |
| 19:52.58 | asg | haha, dos mode for windows |
| 19:53.04 | cOLDrIPPA | getting into debian |
| 19:53.06 | pkern | cOLDrIPPA: Get a clue. |
| 19:53.07 | abrotman | that is debian |
| 19:53.12 | cOLDrIPPA | omfg |
| 19:53.13 | es | hehe |
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| 19:53.14 | chugga | this gmailfs thing has no documentation? |
| 19:53.17 | cOLDrIPPA | the main GUI |
| 19:53.17 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: would you like a GUI |
| 19:53.18 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.21 | cOLDrIPPA | yes |
| 19:53.23 | abrotman | like your beloved windows? |
| 19:53.25 | beatlenet54 | hello |
| 19:53.27 | pkern | chugga: Did you look into /usr/share/doc/gmailfs ? |
| 19:53.28 | stew | chugga: did you look at /usr/share/doc/gmailfs? |
| 19:53.31 | directhex | cOLDrIPPA, type 'startx' |
| 19:53.31 | cOLDrIPPA | fck winblowz |
| 19:53.32 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: does your internet work yet? |
| 19:53.33 | pkern | *g* |
| 19:53.35 | chugga | pkern, no, i'll check htere now |
| 19:53.36 | PerfDave | cOLDrIPPA: Did you install a GUI? |
| 19:53.39 | cOLDrIPPA | lol |
| 19:53.40 | cOLDrIPPA | no |
| 19:53.46 | beatlenet54 | does anyone knows how to installa a webcam with knoppix? |
| 19:53.46 | abrotman | !lol |
| 19:53.46 | dpkg | somebody said lol was Loser On Line, good work abrotman, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 19:53.48 | draconian | lmao |
| 19:53.49 | Demon` | pkern: first time grub didn't boot into XP even though it had it on it's menu (it showed the boot message and hanged). the second time when I tried not to install grub it actually made my MBR unable to load any OS |
| 19:53.50 | PerfDave | cOLDrIPPA: Maybe you should install one ;) |
| 19:53.54 | Phated | The "main GUI"? Oh, lord. |
| 19:53.54 | PerfDave | beatlenet54: #knoppix |
| 19:53.55 | abrotman | why me? |
| 19:54.01 | cOLDrIPPA | how |
| 19:54.03 | valdyn_ | beatlenet54: read the /TOPIC, join #knoppix |
| 19:54.05 | cire | is it possible to tell tcpdump only to report packets sent to a RANGE of ports? (sorry for reposting) |
| 19:54.09 | PerfDave | cOLDrIPPA: apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm |
| 19:54.13 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: does your internet work ... ? |
| 19:54.15 | PerfDave | cOLDrIPPA: That should sort you out. |
| 19:54.19 | cOLDrIPPA | yes |
| 19:54.24 | cOLDrIPPA | i am at work |
| 19:54.25 | pkern | Demon: Grub's cool. One line with chainloader and it loads up XP just fine. ;) |
| 19:54.26 | cOLDrIPPA | but yes it does |
| 19:54.34 | jim | beatlenet54: #knoppix is in the next room over... to install a webcam, connect it to your machine using the instructions in the webcam manual |
| 19:54.38 | cOLDrIPPA | so |
| 19:54.50 | PerfDave | abrotman: Hey, I'm about to go to the pub |
| 19:54.52 | jim | 2l8. |
| 19:55.00 | cOLDrIPPA | brb |
| 19:55.01 | abrotman | PerfDave: oh no . don't leave me with your KDE mess |
| 19:55.02 | Demon` | pkern: it did work once for me, but that one time I had to fix the MBR makes me not want to try and install it again |
| 19:55.02 | asg | PerfDave: me too |
| 19:55.03 | *** part/#debian smj (~hogwartz@ip68-99-108-4.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 19:55.16 | pkern | Demon`: A boot disk is a dirty way to solve this (: |
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| 19:55.25 | Demon` | pkern: a safe one |
| 19:55.35 | khanman | actually i think #debian.se is the next room over ;) |
| 19:55.38 | pkern | Demon`: Yes... as long as your floppy doesn't fail ;) |
| 19:55.55 | cOLDrIPPA | back |
| 19:55.57 | cOLDrIPPA | it says |
| 19:55.58 | Demon` | pkern: for the 2-4 times a month that I actually load up linux |
| 19:56.05 | Demon` | pkern: that's why it's a boot disc |
| 19:56.05 | cOLDrIPPA | command not found |
| 19:56.08 | pkern | Demon`: Shame on you :P |
| 19:56.17 | pkern | ;) |
| 19:56.21 | asg | cOLDrIPPA: did you run it as root? |
| 19:56.23 | jim | khanman: no, that's to the left... #knoppix is the next room southwest and just below... |
| 19:56.26 | cOLDrIPPA | yeah |
| 19:56.29 | abrotman | NO |
| 19:56.31 | cOLDrIPPA | /root |
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| 19:56.34 | abrotman | grr .. capslock |
| 19:56.35 | es | cOLDrIPPA, can you please put your word one after the other in one sentence? |
| 19:56.36 | cOLDrIPPA | /root/StarX |
| 19:56.40 | Phated | Oh, god. |
| 19:56.43 | cOLDrIPPA | ok |
| 19:56.47 | khanman | jim: my appologies...you are most correct :) |
| 19:56.50 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: just god damn stop a second |
| 19:56.50 | greycat | Phated: god's dead, haven't you heard? |
| 19:56.50 | cOLDrIPPA | /root/StartX |
| 19:56.51 | Phated | All right, he has not fucking installed X. |
| 19:56.54 | asg | cOLDrIPPA: you typed 'apt-get install x-windows-system kde kdm' as root and you got command not found? |
| 19:56.57 | Phated | greycat: Obviously. |
| 19:57.03 | stew | Phated: he at least hasn't installed StarX |
| 19:57.05 | Demon` | while we're on the subject... how do I make debian netinst boot disc boot into my installed system? |
| 19:57.06 | cOLDrIPPA | ahh br |
| 19:57.10 | cOLDrIPPA | brb* |
| 19:57.11 | Phated | greycat: Apparently evolution's stopped too. |
| 19:57.14 | jim | Phated: damn girl! potty potty! :) |
| 19:57.25 | directhex | cOLDrIPPA, type 'su' to become the administrative user. when you're the root user, type 'apt-get install x-window-system gdm gnome' |
| 19:57.26 | greycat | !fuck jim |
| 19:57.33 | Phated | jim: Fuck off. I don't see you lecturing abrotman. |
| 19:57.37 | abrotman | can't we just kill him .. for all of debian's sake |
| 19:57.53 | abrotman | lecturing me about what? |
| 19:57.57 | Phated | abrotman: For humanity too. He must not be allowed to reproduce. |
| 19:57.58 | FieldySnuts | lewdness? |
| 19:58.02 | Phated | Using the word fuck. |
| 19:58.03 | abrotman | about what? |
| 19:58.08 | FieldySnuts | fuck fuck fuck fuck. |
| 19:58.09 | abrotman | what's wrong with fuck? |
| 19:58.09 | cOLDrIPPA | ok nback |
| 19:58.09 | Phated | (-ing), and so on. |
| 19:58.16 | asg | Phated: but it's a useful word (when you don't use it like FieldySnuts) |
| 19:58.18 | cOLDrIPPA | /root-StartX = no dir found |
| 19:58.19 | Phated | abrotman: Exactly why I told him to fuck off. |
| 19:58.20 | ricky_clarkson | !listvals fuck |
| 19:58.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fuck' by value (15 shown; 323 total): wta ;; fs ;; CMD: fuck (.*?) ;; CMD: htfswk (.*?) ;; loana ;; idc ;; faithless ;; nfw ;; cmd: stfu (.*?) ;; get a room ;; mwilson #DEL# ;; siff ;; karsten #DEL# ;; CMD: ayfq (.*?) ;; start a gentoo war #DEL#. |
| 19:58.27 | ricky_clarkson | 323 total |
| 19:58.29 | pkern | How many people in here are actually DDs? |
| 19:58.29 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: stop what you are doing .. whatever it is |
| 19:58.30 | simonrvn | 323 :) |
| 19:58.34 | FieldySnuts | heh gentoo war |
| 19:58.35 | cOLDrIPPA | ok |
| 19:58.35 | Phated | cOLDrIPPA: Please, please, -stop-. You need to read a debian book. Deperately. |
| 19:58.38 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: pay very very close attention |
| 19:58.45 | directhex | cOLDrIPPA, christ almighty. firstly, STOP what you;re doing |
| 19:58.51 | cOLDrIPPA | ok, |
| 19:58.54 | ricky_clarkson | pkern: Not very many afaik. There is another channel for that. |
| 19:58.54 | cOLDrIPPA | lsitens' |
| 19:58.57 | Phated | directhex: It's not to late for you to pull out. |
| 19:58.57 | supaman | or just any basic linux guide would do ... |
| 19:58.58 | greycat | directhex: what, the trolling? yes, he should stop that. |
| 19:59.02 | directhex | cOLDrIPPA, next. linux is cAsE sEnSiTiVe. |
| 19:59.02 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say dpkg: irritate cOLDrIPPA |
| 19:59.02 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: go back .. and do this .. `apt-get update;apt-get install x-window-system kdm kde` |
| 19:59.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 810] by debhelper |
| 19:59.04 | ravenbird | dpkg: irritate cOLDrIPPA |
| 19:59.05 | dpkg | cOLDrIPPA: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd kk |
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| 19:59.12 | pkern | ricky_clarkson: Also on freenode? Which one? |
| 19:59.15 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: and write it down exactly as i did .. and what does it say? |
| 19:59.15 | es | cOLDrIPPA, please can you make what people suggesst you insted of typing mindless dangerous command? do apt-get install x-windows-system kde kdm |
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| 19:59.17 | ricky_clarkson | #debian-devel |
| 19:59.19 | jim | I don't need this |
| 19:59.21 | pkern | thx |
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| 19:59.35 | cOLDrIPPA | ok |
| 19:59.36 | cOLDrIPPA | brb |
| 19:59.38 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: please don't say that |
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| 19:59.57 | pkern | simonrvn: Why? |
| 20:00.00 | Phated | aol.com? Oh, wtf. |
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| 20:00.08 | dvs | That explains everything |
| 20:00.09 | pkern | simonrvn: Keeping normal users out of it? |
| 20:00.15 | simonrvn | pkern: private |
| 20:00.25 | pkern | simonrvn: Okay. |
| 20:00.52 | ricky_clarkson | /quit fucking profane bastards |
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| 20:01.11 | es | ricky_clarkson, what's wrog |
| 20:01.19 | fenn | hello, how do I get X to start automatically without using XDM? |
| 20:01.21 | ricky_clarkson | Nothing, it was sarcasm. |
| 20:01.36 | darxeth | ok now i've configured new languages, what next? i went to the control center -> languages/regions -> i picked up Israel, but couldnt find Hebrew in it, in fact, when i pick any country, still find US Englesh in it... |
| 20:01.39 | ricky_clarkson | fenn: Using gdm, kdm, sdm, wdm or init.d |
| 20:01.47 | directhex | fenn, you use gdm, or kdm, or sdm, or wdm? |
| 20:01.50 | valdyn_ | fenn: you are looking for a way to have logging in done automatically? |
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| 20:02.02 | directhex | kdm and gdm can do automatic logins. |
| 20:02.10 | FieldySnuts | damn aol users |
| 20:02.14 | fenn | init.d, it will be a dumb terminal, all I want it to do is run the command "X -broadcast" |
| 20:02.15 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Indeed. |
| 20:02.30 | cire | please... I've read the tcpdump manual for 3 times now, but didn't find any answer. How may I tell tcpdump to only report packets sent to a Port greater x? (sth like: tcpdump -A host [HOST] and port >10000") |
| 20:02.31 | Demon` | pkern: when the boot disc prompt for parameters, what do I need to input in order to boot into my install system? |
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| 20:02.35 | asuffield | they're pretty damned already |
| 20:02.39 | chugga | can anyone help me with the fuse kernel module? what section is it under in the kernel? |
| 20:02.46 | es | fenn, add it at rc.local or such |
| 20:02.49 | pkern | Demon`: my install system or my installed system? |
| 20:03.02 | pkern | Demon`: It should work out of the box for the installed system if you wrote the boot disk within d-i. |
| 20:03.04 | Phated | asuffield: They're only getting worse. |
| 20:03.10 | stew | es: rc.local??? |
| 20:03.19 | gilles | i have net-installed debian on an old iMac, it works fine, but when i run it, the screen turns off when starting gdm, what can i do ? |
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| 20:03.23 | Demon` | pkern: installed obviously ;)... d-i? |
| 20:03.33 | pkern | Demon`: debian-installer |
| 20:03.33 | es | stew, mmm well I run to many distro heh |
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| 20:04.01 | Demon` | pkern: hmm... what about the boot= root= stuff |
| 20:04.01 | Demon` | ? |
| 20:04.17 | pkern | You use LILO? |
| 20:04.20 | CSRx | i was installing sarge and i got a new wireless network card, where could i get the driver for that? |
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| 20:04.28 | pkern | root=/dev/<your root partition> |
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| 20:04.42 | pkern | boot=/vmlinuz |
| 20:04.53 | m0rbid | CSRx: which card? |
| 20:04.58 | Demon` | thanks |
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| 20:05.03 | CSRx | realtek rtl8180 |
| 20:05.14 | CSRx | its an edimax, but thats the chipset |
| 20:05.19 | fenn | es: what is the rc.local for debian, I get them mixed up too |
| 20:05.25 | m0rbid | You might have to use ndiswrapper |
| 20:05.36 | m0rbid | I dont think theres a driver for that card yet |
| 20:05.44 | m0rbid | but I could be mistaken |
| 20:05.44 | CSRx | ah crap |
| 20:05.58 | m0rbid | I have a Linksys V4 card, and it has the realtek chipset |
| 20:06.03 | Demon` | what's the best way to install the geforce driver for x? |
| 20:06.04 | m0rbid | I had to use ndiswrapper |
| 20:06.07 | CSRx | ndiswrapper is that thing that lets you use win drivers isnt it? |
| 20:06.14 | es | fenn, do you have id:2:initdefault: in /etc/inittab ? |
| 20:06.20 | pkern | Demon`: Hm. |
| 20:06.22 | fenn | es: yes |
| 20:06.26 | stego | Might not be debian specific, but does anyone know why it's impossible to kill evolution-data-server? |
| 20:06.26 | abrotman | that's freaking lovely .. butthead |
| 20:06.28 | wept | when i do an apt-get dist-upgrade in unstable, its trying to force me to install caudium and a bunch of other related crap. im unsure how to trace what is causing this to occur.. |
| 20:06.30 | CSRx | m0rbid: does it work with debian? whats the model #? |
| 20:06.31 | stego | I don't even run evolution. |
| 20:06.34 | pkern | Demon`: You need to compile the nvidia drivers. |
| 20:06.56 | pkern | Demon`: But the free drivers work out-of-the-box. |
| 20:06.59 | m0rbid | CSRx: yah, just get eh winXP drivers, and install ndiswrapper from http://ndiswrapper.sf.net |
| 20:07.05 | greycat | fenn: there is no rc.local unless you create one (and make it get executed). /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 20:07.11 | Demon` | pkern: right, but would I have to configure xfree86-4.conf ? |
| 20:07.12 | es | fenn, ok then make a simple script in /etc/init.d with X -broadcast inside and make a simlink in /etc/rc2.d dir |
| 20:07.15 | pkern | Demon`: You want 3D acceleration, right? |
| 20:07.22 | pkern | Demon`: Hm. |
| 20:07.37 | pkern | Demon`: How did you install Debian? Or what did you install... Debian woody? |
| 20:07.39 | abrotman | cOLDrIPPA: stop with the slurs you idiot |
| 20:07.42 | CSRx | m0rbid: but how will i install sarge in the meantime? is there anyway to install the driver before installation of sarge? |
| 20:07.43 | es | fenn, and of course do chmod +x /etc/init.d/myscript |
| 20:07.47 | greycat | abrotman? |
| 20:07.50 | Demon` | pkern: yeah, and I want to change the vertical retrace frequency |
| 20:07.54 | Phated | abrotman: Msging you now, is he. |
| 20:07.54 | abrotman | greycat: -cOLDrIPPA- talk |
| 20:07.54 | abrotman | -cOLDrIPPA- shit |
| 20:08.01 | greycat | abrotman: he's +q'd here already. |
| 20:08.05 | Phated | Ahh, notices. |
| 20:08.05 | abrotman | not msging .. it's coming in my #debian channel |
| 20:08.06 | paster | "Laibsch" at 80.185.4.144 pasted "debootstrap fails" (19 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/256 |
| 20:08.09 | m0rbid | CSRx: not sure, unless you go see if your particular card or chipset is supported |
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| 20:08.16 | greycat | abrotman: no, it's not... it's /notice |
| 20:08.17 | stew | abrotman: /ig |
| 20:08.19 | m0rbid | Im not sure where exactly the supported cards list is located |
| 20:08.22 | m0rbid | search google |
| 20:08.22 | Demon` | pkern: didn't install it again yet, and I downloaded the testing netinst image |
| 20:08.29 | abrotman | greycat: well .. yes .. but it's not a /msg i guess |
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| 20:08.34 | pkern | Demon`: How long ago? ;) |
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| 20:08.43 | pkern | Demon`: Yes you probably need to access the config file in /etc/X11 |
| 20:08.48 | Demon` | pkern: three days ago... ;) |
| 20:08.49 | Phated | greycat: Think he might be asking for his voice back. Wouldn't do it if I were you. |
| 20:08.53 | pkern | Demon`: Hm. |
| 20:08.57 | greycat | /notice -- the *other* /msg (because obviously you need two different ones) |
| 20:09.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:09.04 | pkern | Demon`: So you used debian-installer, which *should* take care of this. |
| 20:09.33 | pkern | Demon`: So X didn't start up? |
| 20:09.37 | js_ | how do i disable the autoprobing of framebuffer modules on boot+ |
| 20:09.45 | Phated | All right, the fucker is /notice-ing me now. |
| 20:09.50 | Demon` | I don't think that it did, because I couldn't change the vertical retrace freq, or does that have to do with some monitor drivers? |
| 20:09.51 | asuffield | so ignore the idiot |
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| 20:10.04 | Phated | Just did. |
| 20:10.07 | abrotman | Phated: i noticed you a long time ago :) |
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| 20:10.39 | Phated | abrotman: Bah. |
| 20:10.49 | abrotman | aw |
| 20:10.50 | pkern | Demon`: Normally it's auto-detected. However I recall that if you choose to install the X environment after the first reboot it prompts you for the monitor data if you want to. |
| 20:10.51 | asuffield | ooh, abrotman's into lolicon |
| 20:10.52 | chugga | if i apt-get install a something source - where will i find that source stored? |
| 20:11.03 | abrotman | asuffield: if you say so |
| 20:11.11 | pkern | chugga: You mean apt-get source? |
| 20:11.11 | Rawplayer | chugga: /usr/src/ |
| 20:11.12 | stew | chugga: pwd |
| 20:11.12 | greycat | chugga: . |
| 20:11.20 | Rawplayer | k |
| 20:11.22 | greycat | chugga: unless you meant "kernel-source-..." in which case, /usr/src |
| 20:11.24 | chugga | pkern, no it was just a packege called something source |
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| 20:11.29 | directhex | greycat, set +b rather than +q on that idiot, so he can't add more people to his /msg rampage |
| 20:11.33 | greycat | !info something-source sid |
| 20:11.35 | pkern | chugga: Yeah, /usr/src then. |
| 20:11.37 | greycat | 15:11 <-dpkg[~dpkg@dpkg.user] Package 'something-source' does not exist. |
| 20:11.42 | greycat | I think you mistyped it. |
| 20:11.42 | pkern | You probably get a .tar.gz with the source ;) |
| 20:11.53 | pkern | greycat: lol |
| 20:12.07 | Laibsch | Anybody has an idea what is going on with debootstrap failing as described in http://channels.debian.net/paste/256 |
| 20:12.07 | Demon` | pkern: well, I think it did, and I specified the vr as 60-85, but KDE didn't have anything other then 60 |
| 20:12.16 | chugga | grey, its called fuse-user source |
| 20:12.27 | Phated | asuffield: Clearly, he is. |
| 20:12.31 | greycat | !find fuser-user sid |
| 20:13.04 | greycat | err. |
| 20:13.04 | greycat | !find fuse-user sid |
| 20:13.04 | CarlosAlex | thanks all |
| 20:13.04 | CarlosAlex | bye |
| 20:13.40 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'fuser-user' returned no results. |
| 20:13.40 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'fuse-user' returned no results. |
| 20:14.07 | chugga | its ok, i found it in /usr/src :) thanks ! |
| 20:16.13 | pkern | Demon`: Depends on the resolution. |
| 20:16.13 | pkern | Demon`: Might be 60 only on the highest one. |
| 20:16.13 | pkern | Oh yeah... fuse... *g* |
| 20:16.14 | wept | apparently caudium is now a dependency for php4...wtf? |
| 20:16.14 | johnnyST | How likely is it that the file system (ext3) get's so corrupted so that it will not boot when one is powering off the computer on the pwer button instead of shutting it down cleanly? |
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| 20:16.16 | chugga | ok, thats done. ive got a gig of space to work with now. *phew* |
| 20:16.16 | chugga | gmailfs on /mnt/gmail type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev) |
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| 20:16.31 | chugga | fuse-source i meant :-/ |
| 20:16.31 | js_ | can someone point me where i need to read if i want to find out about automatic module loading during boot on sarge? (or something like that :S) |
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| 20:16.31 | valdyn_ | cire: figured it out yet? |
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| 20:16.35 | greycat | oh my GOD, no wonder I had never heard of it. gmail shit. |
| 20:16.35 | uGexe | does anyone know if i can use alsaplayer without a gui? i cant find the option for it |
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| 20:16.53 | simonrvn | uGexe: yes |
| 20:16.54 | chugga | greycat, yes, it mounts a filesystem on gmail |
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| 20:17.00 | Laibsch | Maybe I should add that at the time it was working, I installed to a single / partition. Today I want to have /usr /boot /var separate. |
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| 20:17.09 | greycat | js_: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 20:17.25 | greycat | simonrvn: microsoft poisoning. |
| 20:17.26 | js_ | ah |
| 20:17.44 | debian_novice | how do i change the hostname of my system?? |
| 20:17.50 | simonrvn | greycat: yeh. apple too... |
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| 20:18.19 | [F]LuiD | Hi, im fairly new to Linux. I'm trying to change the system time. I know about date and hwclock and I have read the manuals but can someone give me an example because I am still lost... |
| 20:18.41 | pkern | But I didn't yet install it on Debian ;) |
| 20:18.41 | pkern | wept: It is? |
| 20:18.41 | pkern | wept: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/php4 |
| 20:18.41 | pkern | wept: I don't think so. |
| 20:18.41 | manjo | how can I get fluxbox to launch apps after it starts up |
| 20:18.41 | _rene_ | wept: sid? there is a transition ongoing atm |
| 20:18.42 | debian_novice | anyone? |
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| 20:18.45 | abrotman | greycat: it's still dead? |
| 20:18.45 | simonrvn | greycat: what happened? |
| 20:18.45 | uGexe | simonrvm: the only remotely similar option i can find is --interface and the only choice it allows is gtk |
| 20:18.50 | abrotman | simonrvn: edited .. full of porn links |
| 20:18.53 | Blissex | debhelper: edit '/etc/hostname' |
| 20:18.55 | greycat | simonrvn: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:19.01 | simonrvn | uGexe: install the normal one, without a -foo on it |
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| 20:19.17 | simonrvn | oh. hasn't been changed yet |
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| 20:19.23 | valdyn_ | !time |
| 20:19.23 | dpkg | i guess time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Wed Feb 9 20:19:24 2005 |
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| 20:19.31 | FieldySnuts | oh god how lame |
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| 20:19.37 | FieldySnuts | (the wiki) :( |
| 20:19.52 | valdyn_ | [F]LuiD: /msg dpkg set time |
| 20:19.58 | debian_novice | how do i change the hostname of my system?? |
| 20:19.58 | FieldySnuts | geez, takes one idiot out of a million people to fsck something up. |
| 20:20.04 | greycat | FieldySnuts: someone will have to set up a register-to-edit version |
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| 20:20.30 | greycat | lilo: 15:20 <- notice[T3ChN1C41_h4x0r] i will fucking nuke this serve to hell and back i have over 40,000 fuckin bots ready to kill this hell hole of a server |
| 20:21.00 | greycat | (not that I believe him, but...) |
| 20:21.00 | Phated | Hah. |
| 20:21.15 | FieldySnuts | oh great. he thinks this is dalnet. |
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| 20:22.20 | [F]LuiD | valdyn_: Thanks |
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| 20:22.20 | abrotman | but he already tried me and phated i think |
| 20:22.20 | m0rbid | lmfao |
| 20:22.20 | m0rbid | script kiddies fucking rock |
| 20:22.20 | m0rbid | they make me laugh |
| 20:22.20 | m0rbid | hahaha |
| 20:22.50 | sussudio | fuckin bots? that sounds painful. |
| 20:22.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:23.02 | abrotman | bot orgy? |
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| 20:24.16 | directhex | Kupal[]_, MCSE's don't use IRC, they use microsoft newsgroups via outlook express |
| 20:24.18 | directhex | moo! |
| 20:24.19 | FieldySnuts | how annoying |
| 20:24.26 | simonrvn | wee |
| 20:24.37 | Laibsch | Anybody familiar with debootstrap? |
| 20:24.47 | paulswm | well that was a pisser |
| 20:24.47 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's 40k bots .. help help! |
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| 20:24.48 | Occulis | Kupal[]_, MCSE's don't use IRC, they use microsoft newsgroups via outlook express <-- haha |
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| 20:26.46 | deadcat | anyone using bootsplash on 2.6.10? the patch i have failed 1 file during patching. |
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| 20:27.12 | orchid | debian_novice: as root: hostname <whatever> ; this wont survive a reboot I dont think, so edit /etc/hostname also |
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| 20:27.27 | js_ | is there an option i can pass to my bootloader to prevent it from loading a certain module from the initrd image? |
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| 20:27.41 | deadcat | edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts as well. |
| 20:27.45 | jasz | fn A.. this channel is always so fn full |
| 20:27.46 | simonrvn | grep -r current_hostname /etc/, then edit everything |
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| 20:28.25 | dondelelcaro | jasz: this isn't even a full channel. channels can often have more than a few thousand people in them |
| 20:28.37 | greycat | #gentoo is probably still bigger |
| 20:28.47 | greycat | yes, by 200. |
| 20:28.48 | takatumi | not by much |
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| 20:29.26 | jasz | damn.. that's a lot of people.. let's organize a big party.... |
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| 20:30.09 | dondelelcaro | jasz: if you pay all the air fares, by all means... |
| 20:30.23 | deadcat | common. has to be somebody here using bootsplash on 2.6.10 (= |
| 20:30.29 | simonrvn | there goes 50 000$ |
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| 20:30.36 | jasz | all the air fares.. yeah right.. there's people here from all over the world.. |
| 20:31.05 | dondelelcaro | exactly why few people on #debian have met IRL |
| 20:31.07 | chugga | is there a kde app for extracting rar files that doesnt use unrar underneath? |
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| 20:31.18 | takatumi | Laibsch: which version of debootstrap is this? |
| 20:31.22 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's ok . i'll get you a beer if you come to my neck of the woods :) |
| 20:31.25 | dondelelcaro | chugga: why not just use rar? |
| 20:31.27 | kaplanfx | chugga: why does it matter? |
| 20:31.29 | simonrvn | deadcat: common what? |
| 20:31.32 | chugga | rar doesnt work |
| 20:31.39 | abrotman | yeah .. bad format :) |
| 20:31.42 | tyia | is there a way to install debian from a working openbsd box (without floppies/cd-s)? |
| 20:31.48 | dondelelcaro | chugga: if unrar, and rar both don't work, then you're screwed. |
| 20:31.55 | kaplanfx | chugga: u using ark? |
| 20:31.56 | ricky_clarkson | tyia: debootstrap or debtakeover |
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| 20:31.58 | chugga | dondelelcaro, isnt unrar just a wrapper for rar? |
| 20:32.02 | dondelelcaro | chugga: no, it's not. |
| 20:32.04 | deadcat | simonrvn: i am trying to patchy 2.6.10 with the bootsplash diff and it fails 1 file. wondering if anyone been able to do it successfully. |
| 20:32.05 | chugga | oh. |
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| 20:32.15 | kaplanfx | chugga: you might need to apt-get install unrar |
| 20:32.20 | kaplanfx | its a seperate package |
| 20:32.21 | simonrvn | deadcat: why? |
| 20:32.29 | deadcat | simonrvn: i dont know. |
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| 20:32.37 | Occulis | it's annoying that way everywhere |
| 20:32.38 | chugga | kaplanfx, ok, cuz i have unrar and that sucks. how do i get rar? |
| 20:32.45 | fenn | es: thank you so much, it works great, i finally got this dumb terminal working, i can't tell how much i appreciate the help |
| 20:32.50 | arango | abrotman: I think I will need more CDs than just the netinstall. I need keadernel headers, gcc and build utilities, X and KDE. All this before I can actually get my network to work. The questions is: how many CDs do I need ? |
| 20:32.57 | deadcat | Hunk #1 succeeded at 198 (offset 23 lines. |
| 20:33.04 | abrotman | arango: then also get the first CD the full one |
| 20:33.06 | kaplanfx | chugga: unrar is the extracting, rar is for compressing |
| 20:33.08 | simonrvn | arango: 1 |
| 20:33.10 | ricky_clarkson | Hunk #1? That's me. |
| 20:33.11 | dondelelcaro | arango: probably just the first one, possibly the second. |
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| 20:33.16 | chugga | kaplanfx, what package does rar come in? |
| 20:33.16 | abrotman | arango: and you don't need kde to get your network working |
| 20:33.19 | simonrvn | deadcat: hand patch then |
| 20:33.23 | ricky_clarkson | !rar |
| 20:33.23 | dpkg | methinks rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz ;), or unrar to unrar things, or the worst file format ever, designed by morons FFS, use split and cat like a sane person!, or (better get parchive too, lest your pr0n be incomplete) |
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| 20:33.30 | deadcat | simonrvn: no clue whats going on in the file. |
| 20:33.39 | dondelelcaro | chugga: it's in rar. |
| 20:33.39 | chugga | haha dpkg |
| 20:33.40 | dondelelcaro | !info rar |
| 20:33.42 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 419 kB |
| 20:33.49 | Azathot | m0rbid!!!! |
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| 20:33.52 | MattS | m0rbid: you suck! :p |
| 20:33.54 | m0rbid | sup Azathot |
| 20:34.01 | Azathot | lol |
| 20:34.04 | chugga | cool, so its just rar |
| 20:34.07 | m0rbid | MattS: lick-a-dick, NOW IN FRUIT FLAVORS! |
| 20:34.09 | arango | abrotman: linuxant driverloader uses a web configuration |
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| 20:34.12 | WiFiTux_ | who would be in charge here in IRC of the lspci command? |
| 20:34.20 | greycat | m0rbid: can you take the #teenchat elsewhere? |
| 20:34.21 | abrotman | arango: well that's just dirty |
| 20:34.33 | greycat | WiFiTux_: you are. |
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| 20:34.36 | dondelelcaro | !maint pciutils |
| 20:34.41 | dpkg | pciutils: Remco van de Meent <remco@debian.org> |
| 20:34.45 | m0rbid | greycat: I love you too, I was just kidding. |
| 20:34.46 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux_: see above. |
| 20:34.47 | kaplanfx | chugga: if you are doing the compressing yourself, just use tar.bz2 |
| 20:34.51 | abrotman | arango: doesn't work with links or lynx ? |
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| 20:35.11 | arango | abrotman: Don't know, I guess it could |
| 20:35.12 | FieldySnuts | @fuck "win"hardware |
| 20:35.14 | chugga | kaplanfx, i love you. rar worked :D |
| 20:35.22 | arango | What's the URL for the CD(s) I need ? |
| 20:35.24 | abrotman | arango: i honestly don't know .. |
| 20:35.27 | m0rbid | sup abrotman |
| 20:35.27 | abrotman | arango: moment |
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| 20:35.28 | dondelelcaro | arango: debian.org/CD |
| 20:35.31 | WiFiTux_ | greycat: :) I need to lspci -n like command and get the output of all the /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/subsystem_device |
| 20:35.43 | FieldySnuts | lspci -vvv |
| 20:35.43 | digerati | ravenbird/#debian fucks "win"hardware roughly like a crazed weasel from |
| 20:35.46 | abrotman | arango: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ |
| 20:35.47 | WiFiTux_ | abrotman: driverloader is cool |
| 20:35.47 | kaplanfx | chugga: I didn't even realize I gave you any advice :) |
| 20:35.48 | abrotman | m0rbid: hey |
| 20:35.54 | abrotman | WiFiTux_: i'll take your word for it |
| 20:36.01 | Azathot | i wanna see a quit message like... (Read error: 74 (Fat man sat on workstation)) |
| 20:36.06 | arango | abrotman: does the first CD also have X/KDE ? |
| 20:36.23 | abrotman | arango: i have no idea .. probably X .. hopefully not KDE .. but probably aonther WM |
| 20:36.24 | dondelelcaro | arango: if X and/or KDE is popular enough, yes. |
| 20:36.30 | chugga | kaplanfx, hehe. i didnt realise rar and unrar were different. and that unrar sucked so bad. this rocks! |
| 20:36.48 | abrotman | erm .. why is CD14 450MB and CD15 30MB ? |
| 20:37.06 | kaplanfx | chugga: your still not getting it, unrar is for extracting, rar is for compressing |
| 20:37.07 | WiFiTux_ | abrotman: :) |
| 20:37.09 | Phated | To discourage you from downloading them and just doing a netinst. |
| 20:37.12 | arango | How do I the CD with apt-get ? Is there something I have to put in my sources file ? |
| 20:37.15 | WiFiTux_ | FieldySnuts: no. that won't show it. |
| 20:37.20 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: hey, they're unofficial cds... what did you expect? |
| 20:37.22 | abrotman | arango: apt-setup |
| 20:37.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: a little conservation of plastic? :) |
| 20:37.36 | chugga | kaplanfx, right, but rar e extracts :) |
| 20:37.39 | dondelelcaro | arango: you don't use apt-get to get them. Visit debian.org/CD already, and follow the handy dandy prompts |
| 20:37.42 | kaplanfx | ah I see that now |
| 20:37.52 | kaplanfx | ark doesn't love you unless you install unrar |
| 20:37.56 | chugga | kaplanfx, and unrar doesnt :) |
| 20:37.57 | Laibsch | takatumi: Thank you for the reply. It is the one from the latest Knoppix, 3.7. I tried finding |
| 20:37.57 | Laibsch | the version of debootstrap but --version did not reveal that. Where is the newest version? |
| 20:38.14 | FieldySnuts | WiFiTux_: I don't know then, that's the extent of lspci |
| 20:38.16 | chugga | kaplanfx, whats ark? |
| 20:38.26 | FieldySnuts | @topicsmite Laibsch |
| 20:38.26 | dondelelcaro | 3.7? WTF is knoppix smokign? |
| 20:38.26 | kaplanfx | the kde archive program |
| 20:38.28 | ravenbird | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Laibsch. And all the people marvelled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:38.36 | dondelelcaro | !info debootstrap |
| 20:38.38 | chugga | kaplanfx, ah, interesting. i was looking for a kde too too |
| 20:38.38 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.45-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 20:38.38 | kaplanfx | its a multiformat compressor/decompressor |
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| 20:38.53 | kaplanfx | chugga: its part of the kde distribution IIRC |
| 20:38.57 | jstevens | is it possible to set up fstab to auto-mount when you put a CD in (instead of havign to manually issue the mount command) ? |
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| 20:39.03 | chugga | kaplanfx, sexiness. nexst time i'll check that out |
| 20:39.04 | kaplanfx | so if you are using kde you probably already have it |
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| 20:39.13 | chugga | yes, i just glanced it over |
| 20:39.15 | arango | dondelelcaro: What I mean is once I have the CD burned, how do I make apt-get fetch packages from the CD ? |
| 20:39.18 | greycat | jstevens: apt-get install autofs; read the fine manuals. |
| 20:39.22 | kaplanfx | chugga: its not elegant, but I've never had a problem with it |
| 20:39.26 | dondelelcaro | arango: run apt-cdrom; or apt-setup; |
| 20:39.32 | ralfWORK | anyone had issues with latest perl in sarge segfaulting? |
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| 20:39.35 | js_ | how can i in grub append something to the kernel? |
| 20:39.39 | js_ | like append="" with lilo |
| 20:39.41 | DimmuR | Where in Gnome can i see settings for applications that lunch wne Gnome starts? |
| 20:39.44 | takatumi | Laibsch: that could be your problem, try a newer version, 2.45 is the one in sid. |
| 20:39.50 | dondelelcaro | ralfWORK: if they did, there would be bugs filed against it in the BTS. |
| 20:39.50 | robl^ | what is the proper pkg to install for adding a basic xserver/cleints (not kde/gnome) on a minimal install system? |
| 20:39.56 | chugga | kaplanfx, fair enough. as long as it works |
| 20:39.57 | Laibsch | FieldySnuts: Knoppix is a debian system and I only use it to install a real Deb system! |
| 20:39.58 | dvs | js_: Just put it on the same line as the kernel file name |
| 20:40.02 | abrotman | robl^: which WM ? |
| 20:40.03 | arango | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 20:40.10 | FieldySnuts | Laibsch: i care |
| 20:40.14 | jstevens | greycat: autofs, got it... (yeah, spent time the fstab & mount man pages before even coming into IRC) |
| 20:40.15 | dondelelcaro | robl^: apt-get install xwindow-system-base somewindowmanager; |
| 20:40.22 | abrotman | -core ? |
| 20:40.34 | ralfWORK | dondelelcaro: what is the URL for that? |
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| 20:40.56 | robl^ | ahh! ok. I want just a base and then windowmaker (wmaker) |
| 20:40.59 | dondelelcaro | damnit, x-window-system-core |
| 20:41.18 | FieldySnuts | oo |
| 20:41.36 | dondelelcaro | s/virtual/meta/ |
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| 20:41.50 | chealer | js_: press "e" in grub |
| 20:41.58 | js_ | ah |
| 20:42.01 | FieldySnuts | no, edit grub.conf. |
| 20:42.10 | FieldySnuts | though what you said can be useful for one-time edits |
| 20:42.15 | js_ | im gonna do like dvs said in menu.1st |
| 20:42.15 | asuffield | ooh, more porn |
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| 20:42.30 | bucky | deadcat, i think you might need the latest bootsplash from http://bootsplash.de/ for 2.6.10 |
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| 20:43.07 | Laibsch | dondelelcaro: Thank you! Will see if there is a newer one than the one I am using. Installing woody apparently worked fine now. Sarge was impossible before. I will do try a dist-upgrade after completion of installation. |
| 20:43.08 | tyia | ricky_clarkson: thanks |
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| 20:44.07 | robl^ | thanks for the info guys |
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| 20:44.11 | tyia | ricky_clarkson: will debootstrap compile on openbsd? |
| 20:44.28 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 20:44.52 | greycat | tyia: try it and see. |
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| 20:45.01 | FieldySnuts | timo: heh |
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| 20:45.13 | ricky_clarkson | tyia: No clue. |
| 20:45.34 | tyia | greycat: thanks for being so useful |
| 20:46.01 | tyia | greycat: the box has extremely limited resources so I would like to know beforehand |
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| 20:46.19 | mozart | hi |
| 20:46.20 | greycat | how on earth should *we* know whether something compiles on a non-Debian system? |
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| 20:46.40 | ralfWORK | that's hilarious |
| 20:46.56 | ricky_clarkson | tyia: You could google for "compile debootstrap openbsd", or just try it yourself. |
| 20:47.00 | FieldySnuts | it's sad, his line of reasoning (or none) |
| 20:47.08 | greycat | grab a pentium 90 from the trash bin, install obsd on it, and try. |
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| 20:47.19 | ralfWORK | better yet |
| 20:47.32 | ricky_clarkson | tyia: Then when you've tried it, write a page that you can find by googling for "compile debootstrap openbsd" that describes the process, or just says "try it yourself". |
| 20:47.37 | ralfWORK | grab a P90 from the trash, install obsd on it, and place it back in the trash bin :D |
| 20:47.47 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:47.50 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: win ralfWORK |
| 20:47.52 | ravenbird | Congratulations, ralfWORK! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 20:47.56 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
| 20:48.00 | ralfWORK | lol |
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| 20:48.35 | kingk | I've been trying to get dual monitor working for too many hours, someone save me |
| 20:48.48 | greycat | !save kingk |
| 20:48.51 | chugga | kingk, try several months and i'll consider it |
| 20:49.09 | ralfWORK | hah |
| 20:49.11 | kingk | chugga, several months, thats too too bad |
| 20:49.19 | davehoust | Hi there, how do I change the IRQ on a NIC from 0 to (how do I find out what IRQ its ment to be?) |
| 20:49.26 | takatumi | tyia: and add google adwords and make some money as well :) |
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| 20:49.45 | kingk | I am gonna paste the error in #flood, please have a look if you know about this topic |
| 20:49.59 | chugga | kingk, what sort of setup are you running. give a small summary |
| 20:50.06 | bucky | kingk what kind of video card? |
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| 20:50.45 | kingk | I have ati card 64mb and nvidia card 16mb |
| 20:50.59 | chugga | kingk, oh, so thats simple .. two cards make life trivial |
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| 20:53.15 | takatumi | ralfWORK: apt-spy might help |
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| 20:57.04 | ricky_clarkson | ralfWORK: f.u.d.o |
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| 20:59.02 | alejandro_ | yeah... |
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| 21:00.22 | MattS | 0.o |
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| 21:00.22 | Blissex | ViChO: you looking for a non standard Debian package? |
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| 21:00.23 | Blissex | ViChO: note also there is a spanish channel for Debian users |
| 21:00.24 | debian_novice | if i am using kernel 2.4, should i upgrade to 2.6? |
| 21:00.24 | dvs | debian_novice: Only if you have a reason to |
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| 21:00.24 | dondelelcaro | debian_novice: unless you have a specific reason, there's no point. |
| 21:00.24 | ViChO | which one? |
| 21:00.24 | Gathond | debian_novice: does 2.6 have anything you need that 2.4 have not? |
| 21:00.24 | PerfDave | debian_novice: If you're using Woody, then definitely not. |
| 21:00.24 | debian_novice | no i am using sarge |
| 21:00.26 | Blissex | ViChO: I think #debian-es or #debian.es |
| 21:00.26 | greycat | debian_novice: if 2.4 works, use 2.4. |
| 21:00.26 | Gathond | debian_novice: if the answer is yes, probably, else only if you get some thrill from having the newest shinny thing |
| 21:00.26 | Blissex | ViChO: for finding packages look at http://WWW.apt-get.org |
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| 21:00.27 | debian_novice | i have k3b installed, but i don't know where to find it..i can only run it from the command terminal |
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| 21:00.32 | kingk | This is the error I am getting when I try to start X with xinerama-> ParoramiX error: Incompatible screens No common visuals. Also, --> Fatal Server Error: Could not creat connection block info |
| 21:00.35 | debian_novice | how do i get it to the desktop? |
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| 21:00.54 | ViChO | thanx Blissex |
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| 21:01.03 | Darkdevil | hi can you say me the german channel ???? |
| 21:01.03 | mxldr | hey- why do people use slackware? |
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| 21:01.12 | valdyn_ | !german |
| 21:01.12 | dpkg | [german] #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 21:01.17 | Blissex | !spanish |
| 21:01.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:01.18 | dvs | mxldr: single-digit IQ? |
| 21:01.22 | Darkdevil | oki danke |
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| 21:01.38 | debian_novice | i have k3b installed, but i don't know where to find it..i can only run it from the command terminal |
| 21:01.38 | mxldr | well, i mean- is it just for the challenge? |
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| 21:01.44 | debian_novice | how do i get it to the desktop? |
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| 21:01.59 | dvs | debian_novice: install X? |
| 21:02.10 | debian_novice | i have X |
| 21:02.10 | Blissex | debian: probably it is in some submenu... |
| 21:02.15 | bucky | kingk, are you specifying a PCI:x:x:x bus for each card in each device stanza? |
| 21:02.18 | jstevens | debian_novice: startX |
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| 21:02.49 | kingk | bucky, yep |
| 21:02.49 | mxldr | one more Q, not to be a troll, but what are the pro's and con's of kde and gnome? |
| 21:02.49 | dvs | debian_novice: Do you use Gnome or KDE? |
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| 21:02.50 | kingk | bucky, I will past my XF86Config-4 file in #flood |
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| 21:03.00 | valdyn_ | mxldr: /msg dpkg polls |
| 21:03.00 | Blissex | debian_novice: on my Debian KDE it is under Multimedia in the main meu (KDE) |
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| 21:03.09 | piem | mxldr: try and see it yourself :) |
| 21:03.20 | alfTx | i've been trying to find network interface device information in /proc (ie: eth0, ppp0, etc) but just NOT haveing any luck. (just installed sarge about 4 days ago) TIA mike.. |
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| 21:03.24 | debian_novice | found it |
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| 21:03.27 | debian_novice | thanks |
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| 21:03.34 | bucky | kingk, check out these examples and see if any apply http://dotfiles.com/index.php3?app_id=13 |
| 21:03.39 | valdyn_ | alfTx: ifconfig -a |
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| 21:04.01 | jstevens | debian_nov: you might want to look into xdm, kdm, or gdm |
| 21:04.14 | jcole | how can i take a web page and export it to a *jpg* in firefox?? |
| 21:04.18 | alfTx | yes i can do ifconfig but I want/need to look directly into /proc :-( |
| 21:04.36 | valdyn_ | jcole: make a screenshot? |
| 21:04.52 | daxxar | Hm. caphuso helped me a few hours ago to realize the sysadm. on our server obviously has installed libc6 from sarge on stable, not that i thought he was capable of such a thing. is there any "remedy"? (since this breaks libmysqlclient10 totally, among other things. |
| 21:04.52 | MobyTurbo | jcole: maybe print it to a postscript file and use something to convert that. |
| 21:04.52 | jcole | valdyn_: lol, what if it's 14 pages |
| 21:05.15 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 21:05.29 | valdyn_ | jcole: so make 14 screenshots, < 1 minute |
| 21:05.37 | Aegi1 | Hello, i know theres a key combination to make a a search in the command-line history (bash) but cant remember it... any ideas ? |
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| 21:05.46 | piem | jcole: print it in a ps file |
| 21:05.49 | Blissex | Aegi1: ^r |
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| 21:06.14 | Aegi1 | Blissex: works, thanks ) |
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| 21:07.13 | PerfDave | daxxar: Reinstall from scratch |
| 21:07.33 | kingk | bucky, cool thx |
| 21:07.42 | bwlang | anybody know how to modify the mime type -> program associations in gnome 2.8... used to be an applet in gnomecc but i don't see it anymore. |
| 21:07.46 | jcole | piem: how do i ps->jpg ? |
| 21:07.56 | dondelelcaro | jcole: convert foo.ps foo.jpg; surprisingly enoug |
| 21:08.08 | piem | jcole: convert is in imagemagick |
| 21:08.10 | jcole | dondelelcaro: wow |
| 21:08.11 | valdyn_ | bwlang: rightclick with your mouse on a file |
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| 21:08.29 | dondelelcaro | jcole: odds are you'll want some sort of -density argument to set the resolution, but that usually will do what you want |
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| 21:08.58 | blop39 | hello, i use a compaq presario laptop and i want to know the spec of the lcd |
| 21:09.17 | Blissex | blop39: do a google search. |
| 21:09.26 | blop39 | yes Blissex |
| 21:09.27 | daxxar | PerfDave, that's the only solution? |
| 21:09.30 | Blissex | blop39: or check on the HP/Compaq web site... |
| 21:09.30 | dvs | blop39: or go tot he compag website |
| 21:09.37 | daxxar | God I hate this guy. ;p |
| 21:09.40 | dvs | Blissex: jinx ;-) |
| 21:09.43 | blop39 | i do too |
| 21:09.48 | bwlang | valdyn_: the particular trouble i'm having is with email attachments... with mime type set to application/msword... i want to add openoffice to the list. so there is northing to right click on... |
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| 21:10.03 | daxxar | PerfDave, also, how could he have managed to install libc6 from sarge without noticing? |
| 21:10.05 | Blissex | bwlang: depends on the app, but check '/etc/mailcap' |
| 21:10.30 | daxxar | Could he have been running debian testing, updated, and switched apt-sources to stable? |
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| 21:10.30 | blop39 | i chat with hotline campaq now but the man don't know any spec on their LCD OEM monitor (WXGA 1280x800) |
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| 21:10.53 | piem | blop39: what do you miss exactly ? |
| 21:11.02 | valdyn_ | bwlang: yea thats not a gnome thing tho |
| 21:11.12 | blop39 | i need Horizfre et Vrerefresh to create modeline in my XFREE |
| 21:11.16 | Blissex | blop39: look at the model number tag and use that as a key. |
| 21:11.22 | Blissex | blop39: LCDs dont have that. |
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| 21:11.37 | Blissex | blop39: LCDs dont have modelines. |
| 21:11.43 | PerfDave | daxxar: Probably by being totally incompetent and not reading the documentation. |
| 21:11.46 | Blissex | blop39: LCDs dont have modelines. Actuaklly they do... |
| 21:11.48 | bwlang | Blissex, valdyn_: this is evolution... which uses the gnome mime type db... - looks like gnome 2.8 has switched over to using some other mime type database as its source. |
| 21:11.51 | PerfDave | daxxar: It's the only real way without being a total Debian expert, yes. |
| 21:12.11 | blop39 | Blissex, but my laptop use 1280x800 and is not a standard mode |
| 21:12.13 | daxxar | Damn. |
| 21:12.18 | Blissex | blop39: the best thing you can do is to Google for a 1280x800 modeline someone else has done. |
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| 21:12.22 | PerfDave | daxxar: And if you're a total debian expert, you'd realise that it'd be quicker and easier just to reinstall ;) |
| 21:12.23 | daxxar | Hah, he's not a total Debian expert. ;-) |
| 21:12.27 | asg | daxxar: it might be a bobbitt box |
| 21:12.32 | Blissex | blop39: also, your monitor should report a modeline for that using DDC. |
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| 21:12.39 | hibla | hi, is there any way i can add glibc-2.1 to my debian sarge? (it has ver2.2 but a gameserver depends on v2.1... ) ? |
| 21:12.44 | alfTx | not being able to locate ppp0 in the /proc system is a real problem for me. I have old mdk scripts that I wrote to determine if ppp0 was up that by looking for a ppp0 directory in /proc but now using Sarge, they just don't work. Any help Pls! |
| 21:12.53 | Tronic | There's a program called gtf that will create any modeline. |
| 21:12.56 | daxxar | Nah, I'm not either. But I did get him to switch from RedHat to Debian, since they have like, eh ~20-40 servers down there. PITA to maintain it, sigh. |
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| 21:12.59 | Blissex | blop39: you can use any fake values as long as the resulting vertical refresh is around 60Hz. |
| 21:12.59 | daxxar | asg, bobbitt? |
| 21:13.02 | daxxar | !bobbitt |
| 21:13.02 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 21:13.03 | Tronic | (comes with Xorg-X11) |
| 21:13.04 | asg | !bobbitt |
| 21:13.04 | t35t0r | anyone know how to specify a file if there is a space in the path leading to it for an scp command ? e.g. scp -r root@ip:/mnt/windows/Program Files/something . Using \ doesn't work nor do using (" and \) or (' and \) |
| 21:13.13 | daxxar | =P |
| 21:13.17 | blop39 | Blissex, i do it to but don"'t work and the EDID is bizar . with it i can use 1280x800 ... perhaps it lies (EDID) |
| 21:13.22 | Tronic | (dunno if it also comes with XF86 because I haven't used that since forever) |
| 21:13.26 | daxxar | Thanks. :) |
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| 21:13.51 | Blissex | blop39: I just did a Google search that returns a few examples: xf86config modeline "1280x800" |
| 21:14.03 | zappy | t35t0r: just put it in "" |
| 21:14.11 | piem | t35t0r: yes, your\ file works |
| 21:14.18 | t35t0r | man ppl really must not read what gets written |
| 21:14.26 | hibla | anyone? , is there any way i can add glibc-2.1 to my debian sarge? (it has ver2.2 but a gameserver depends on v2.1... ) ? |
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| 21:14.56 | blop39 | Blissex, ok thank a lot i'm relooking for information. |
| 21:14.57 | piem | t35t0r: i insist, \ works |
| 21:14.58 | t35t0r | i tried the quotes before "root at root@ip:"/mnt... and at "Program Files" and "Program\ Files" it doesn't work!!! |
| 21:15.01 | asg | t35t0r: are you sure it's a space? |
| 21:15.06 | Blissex | blop39: for example this looks good: Modeline "1280x800" 107.21 1280 1360 1496 1712 800 801 804 835 |
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| 21:15.08 | t35t0r | asg: hahaha |
| 21:15.16 | PerfDave | hibla: Ooh, that's just asking for trouble. I'd be tempted to set up a chroot to do that in. |
| 21:15.20 | Blissex | piem: SCP paths gets expanded twice... |
| 21:15.31 | t35t0r | what a waste of time i'll just copy the dir to something without spaces |
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| 21:15.47 | asg | hibla: maybe run it in a woody chroot |
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| 21:16.18 | greycat | dirs with spaces in their names are *evil*. |
| 21:16.18 | piem | Blissex: no |
| 21:16.32 | x0563511 | i agree greycat |
| 21:16.32 | asg | hibla: or /msg dpkg redhat crap |
| 21:16.34 | blop39 | Yes Blissex but i not sure that my laptop can use a 107.21 refresh thaht why i want spec .... but i say thank you Blissex for your help |
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| 21:16.36 | piem | t35t0r: you should use "" or \ , not both |
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| 21:16.55 | x0563511 | im insane. joining #debian from windows |
| 21:17.13 | hibla | PerfDave : so its either 2.2 or 2.1 ? one gameserv needs 2.2 and the other needs 2.1 hehe help :) |
| 21:17.13 | asg | t35t0r: you could also use 'tar + ssh' instead |
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| 21:17.29 | Blissex | blop39: this one look bette3r then: Modeline "1280x800" 83.91 1280 1312 1624 1656 800 816 824 841 |
| 21:17.29 | t35t0r | piem: i tried it every conceivable way with and without quotes and with both |
| 21:17.30 | daxxar | hibla, as he said. he advices you to run a woody chroot. |
| 21:17.49 | Blissex | blop39: the 83.91 MHz pixel clock is low and nice. |
| 21:18.32 | piem | t35t0r: it works well here |
| 21:18.32 | witless | witch! burn him! |
| 21:18.32 | Blissex | blop39: in any case LCDs on laptops dont really have a pixel clock. |
| 21:18.32 | asg | witless: this isn't #holy-grail |
| 21:18.35 | blop39 | Thank again Blissex i'm tired bye perhaps tomorrow ok i use this but with EDID not active ok Blissex |
| 21:18.36 | Blissex | piem: perhaps things get expanded twice if the path contains shell metacharacters. |
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| 21:18.50 | blop39 | bye Blissex and thank you for your help |
| 21:18.50 | guestish | hello |
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| 21:19.18 | hibla | daxxar : explain please, woody chroot ? :) |
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| 21:19.43 | piem | t35t0r: i tried the other way, you need to double escape: |
| 21:19.51 | daxxar | hibla, I assume he means a separate "system" in a dir, only that the libs it's running are from woody. Don't ask me for details, I've never set one up. |
| 21:19.54 | piem | t35t0r: $ scp -pr seagoon.elec.qmul.ac.uk:/tmp/test\\\ file.txt . |
| 21:19.54 | piem | test file.txt 100% 0 0.0KB/s 00:00 |
| 21:20.21 | t35t0r | piem: ok the problem seems to be that i can't write into the local NTFS partition , it's mounted RW and i have CONFIG_NTFS_RW set in the kernel, and i'm root |
| 21:20.25 | Moritz| | I got the following load average: 122.17, 102.82, 101.81 on a Dual Xeon 2.8 Ghz, 2GB DDR Ram |
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| 21:21.58 | Moritz| | I tried top, but can't find any significant info there. Overall CPU usage is 40.1% |
| 21:21.58 | hibla | PerfDave : can you guide me trough this or ? |
| 21:21.58 | piem | t35t0r: that's something else then :) |
| 21:21.58 | asg | hibla: /msg dpkg redhat crap (see if that fixes your issue) |
| 21:21.58 | Moritz| | Anyone suggestions how to check what's causing the load? |
| 21:21.58 | piem | t35t0r: and never ssh as root |
| 21:21.59 | t35t0r | piem: i know that |
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| 21:21.59 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: programs waiting for disk add to load but not to cpu usage |
| 21:21.59 | t35t0r | piem: i'm behind a firewall and i'm the only on in it |
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| 21:21.59 | asg | t35t0r: writing to NTFS partitions from Linux is not supported (or at least not recommended) |
| 21:21.59 | piem | t35t0r: root should not even be able to login |
| 21:21.59 | sxpert-carpc | hi there. I was just attempting to install on an oldworld mac 8600/250 and the install process crashed right after writing the partition table... |
| 21:21.59 | t35t0r | asg: yeah most debian 2.4 users would say that |
| 21:21.59 | Moritz| | valdyn_: Hmm, right, cheers that clarifies it a bit for me. But my system is in fact running slowly... |
| 21:21.59 | t35t0r | having never ventured to 2.6 |
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| 21:22.06 | asg | t35t0r: good luck then |
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| 21:22.15 | sxpert-carpc | any ideas, or I really need floppies ? |
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| 21:22.35 | guestish | sxpert-carpc: if its ppc you can try #debian-ppc |
| 21:22.46 | sxpert-carpc | guestish: ah.. thanks |
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| 21:22.57 | guestish | sxpert-carpc: np |
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| 21:23.28 | Moritz| | Btw, the main proces there is apache, but I'm not very sure if that is what is causing the extrordinary high load. |
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| 21:23.58 | n0mad` | i'm running debian sarge on my notebook asus M6842NEUH, i use console with framebuffer at 1024*768, is it possible configure it to run at 1400*1050 ? |
| 21:24.11 | guestish | odd resolution... |
| 21:24.13 | phobetor | Hiyas... I have a problem with totem crashing, far as I can tell it's because it want me to have a /dev/cdrom.... |
| 21:24.18 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: if its apache then ps aux | grep apache | wc -l should be quite a high number |
| 21:24.22 | dvs | n0mad`: If your notebook supports it. |
| 21:24.23 | phobetor | ...but I have no cd-rom drive |
| 21:24.34 | Demon` | man, this is screwed up... I installed the basic system for netinst again, I used expert mode so I chose not to install grub and just finished and tried to boot XP... I got an "Error loadig OS" message, again, wtf is wrong with this? even XP repair console didn't work... luckily I have a boot disk with a working MBR I could recover from |
| 21:24.40 | guestish | n0mad`: google around for docs on how to change the framebuffer resolution |
| 21:24.49 | PerfDave | hibla: Not really, it's not something I've done myself. |
| 21:24.50 | n0mad` | dvs: yup, it's the highest res that it supports |
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| 21:24.56 | Moritz| | valdyn_: that number is 297 |
| 21:25.02 | guestish | Demon`: did you configure lilo correctly? |
| 21:25.22 | guestish | Demon`: well, obviously you didnt, but did you think you did? :) |
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| 21:25.34 | piem | Demon`, guestish meant grub |
| 21:25.43 | Demon` | I didn't install either |
| 21:25.46 | kingk | I manually edited my X config file (/etc/X11/XF86Config-4) and now when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it doesn't seem to change the file |
| 21:25.48 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: so 297 apache workers are started, i have no idea if that makes sense for your system |
| 21:25.49 | guestish | piem: he chose not to install grub |
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| 21:25.55 | guestish | Demon`: well you have to install a boot loader |
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| 21:26.02 | Demon` | no, I don't |
| 21:26.08 | Phated | Just... Choose one! |
| 21:26.10 | guestish | Demon`: ... |
| 21:26.11 | Demon` | I want to boot off a boot disk |
| 21:26.17 | guestish | Demon`: you still need a boot loader |
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| 21:26.47 | guestish | Demon`: even if its just for windows, you need a bootloader |
| 21:26.47 | Demon` | guestish: not if I boot using a boot disk |
| 21:26.47 | piem | Demon`, then it works already doesn't it ? |
| 21:26.47 | arango | what is the IRC for X11-related questions ? |
| 21:26.47 | Demon` | guestish: it shouldn't touch my MBR |
| 21:26.47 | Moritz| | valdyn_: Hmm, my webserver runs a game on it which has more than 3000 users online in the peaks, average pagerequests is about 15 per minute, so a totally of 45.000 pagerequests per minute. So I guess it makes sense |
| 21:26.58 | asg | arango: #xfree86 |
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| 21:26.58 | guestish | Demon`: ... |
| 21:26.58 | greycat | arango: depends on the question. |
| 21:27.03 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: yep |
| 21:27.04 | jstevens | kingk: that's cause it's saving as XF86Config |
| 21:27.15 | arango | greycat: modelines |
| 21:27.15 | asg | arango: here if they are debian specific |
| 21:27.16 | greycat | arango: #xfree86 |
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| 21:27.23 | jstevens | kingk: you need to manually move the file from XF86Config to XF86Config-4 |
| 21:27.28 | Demon` | I didn't want it to screw up my MBR again, but it did even though I explicitly didn't install grub nor lilo |
| 21:27.40 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: the load makes sense too then. |
| 21:27.42 | jstevens | kingk: at least that's what I had to do. |
| 21:27.46 | guestish | Demon`: there is a setting for lilo to not display the menu without holding the shift key, that is worth a try, but if you insist on not using a boot loader you are on your own to find docs on how to do it |
| 21:27.50 | guestish | Demon`: unless someone else knows |
| 21:27.52 | guestish | i sure dont |
| 21:28.04 | kingk | jstevens, but why is it doing that now suddenly, and where is the XF86Config file? |
| 21:28.22 | jstevens | kingk: it's im the same /etc/X11/ folder |
| 21:28.25 | Moritz| | valdyn_: hmmm, I guess it does, a bit, but 3 weeks ago it had a loadaverage of 5.. That can't be increased with 20 times.. |
| 21:28.31 | PerfDave | kingk: If you've hand-edited your file, dpkg-reconfigure won't update it. |
| 21:28.33 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: hmm no it doesnt, some of your number was wrong |
| 21:28.35 | PerfDave | kingk: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 21:28.39 | zappy | i don't remember ... does windows need something in the mbr if it's first on the disk ? if so, just dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 21:28.50 | Phated | kingk: No, that's not what's happening. Read the comments in XF86Config-4 about md5sums before doing dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 21:28.51 | zappy | if not so, in fact ;) |
| 21:28.51 | piem | guestish: Demon` wants to boot off a disk (floppy or cd i guess) and he just did, so he's sorted |
| 21:29.01 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: 15 pagerequest per minute? |
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| 21:29.06 | arango | I need some help seeting up a modeline for the OQO. The resolution is 800x480 |
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| 21:29.15 | kingk | thx guys |
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| 21:29.36 | helix | woo |
| 21:29.36 | Moritz| | valdyn_: per user yes. in peaktimes 45.000 requests per minute in total |
| 21:29.36 | jstevens | kingk: as far as "why all of a sudden" .. I dunno.. it did that from the start when I installed Sarge on my laptop |
| 21:29.36 | Demon` | guestish: I had a working debian installion, but I removed grub and deleted it to start over, the second time I installed, grub didn't load XP, so I had to recover my MBR |
| 21:29.36 | PerfDave | Phated: or /msg dpkg x md5sum, which tells you how to diagnose *and* fix the problem ;) |
| 21:29.36 | zappy | piem: lol. I think he want to use a bootdisk just for linux |
| 21:29.36 | Phated | Why, helix. You're aliiive! |
| 21:29.36 | helix | I is |
| 21:29.45 | guestish | Demon`: did you install grub the second time? |
| 21:29.47 | Phated | PerfDave: Or read the bloody comments before complaining. |
| 21:29.54 | PerfDave | What do you mean, helix approaching? |
| 21:29.57 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: guess you may be running out of ram, but ill stop here, im really no apache expert.. |
| 21:30.00 | kingk | jstevens, I mean all of a sudden, ie. after I hand edited |
| 21:30.16 | guestish | Demon`: grub has to configured after each installation in order to boot into windows |
| 21:30.18 | Demon` | guestish: I did, and it failed to load XP, it just hung the system |
| 21:30.21 | jstevens | kingk: OIC, got ya |
| 21:30.24 | helix | why is this channel named "#Debian" now when I join? |
| 21:30.26 | guestish | Demon`: did you use chainloader? |
| 21:30.27 | Phated | kingk: dpkg-reconfigure won't touch a file that you've hand-edited, trusting that you are wise enough to make good changes. |
| 21:30.31 | Moritz| | valdyn_: Cheers so far, but still not sure if it is apache, there might be another progress that is causing the load, isn't it? |
| 21:30.33 | guestish | helix: named #debian for me |
| 21:30.37 | helix | that annoys me for some reason |
| 21:30.39 | asuffield | helix: don't ask |
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| 21:30.44 | Demon` | guestish: it already had the chainload +1 thingy |
| 21:30.44 | zappy | Demon`: you should just reinstall grub with the good options for booting windows |
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| 21:30.47 | helix | asuffield: whyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 21:30.50 | Phated | guestish: Not the name, in the message. |
| 21:30.51 | guestish | Demon`: from when? |
| 21:30.55 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: one single process can only add a load of 1 |
| 21:31.03 | zappy | ow |
| 21:31.04 | guestish | Phated: message? |
| 21:31.09 | Phated | Hm, yes, why -is- it #Debian? |
| 21:31.11 | helix | asuffield: any update on the finland thing? |
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| 21:31.19 | Demon` | guestish: I completly remove grub with XP's repair, and then reinstalled debian |
| 21:31.19 | asuffield | what finland thing? |
| 21:31.23 | Phated | guestish: That you get from Chanserv when you join. Typically in your status window. |
| 21:31.28 | helix | asuffield: debconf, duh |
| 21:31.38 | asuffield | helix: why are you asking me? |
| 21:31.40 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: load is defined as number of processes waiting to be run |
| 21:31.42 | Moritz| | valdyn_: allright, I see that, but what if that one process is taking so long, so that 100 apache childs have to wait for their turn, then it can be that progress, right? |
| 21:31.42 | guestish | Phated: well what do you know, its in caps |
| 21:31.46 | helix | because you said you might go |
| 21:31.47 | guestish | Phated: :) |
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| 21:31.56 | Phated | guestish: I think that's what helix was saying. :) |
| 21:32.01 | asuffield | oh, I have no idea right now |
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| 21:32.02 | helix | and I want to see eva, whatever that is |
| 21:32.05 | guestish | Demon`: and then you configured the same way as before, and now it wont boot into windows, right? |
| 21:32.19 | Moritz| | valdyn_: Another progress than apache I mean.. (Not likely, but there is a slight chance) |
| 21:32.20 | guestish | Phated: mmk |
| 21:32.23 | asuffield | that would take hours |
| 21:32.34 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: normal processes cant hog the cpu like that. |
| 21:32.35 | helix | well, I'll probably be in the UK before debconf |
| 21:32.44 | guestish | Demon`: am i warm? |
| 21:32.44 | piem | Demon`, you need to have an mbr somehow. windows one if you don't want a clever one (that'll be odd though) |
| 21:32.50 | Demon` | guestish: it configured itself, and it did tell me that I have xp installed, but it wouldn't boot after showing it's configuration on screen |
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| 21:33.07 | guestish | Demon`: never trust it to configure itself |
| 21:33.09 | Demon` | guestish: I then recovered from a working MBR |
| 21:33.12 | asuffield | it's not really what I'd consider a *good* series anyway. it's just infamous for various reasons, notably the unexpected skull-fucking |
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| 21:33.14 | Moritz| | valdyn_: fair enough, but what if its other (buggy?) software, like Postfix, my mailserver? |
| 21:33.30 | helix | hum |
| 21:33.30 | guestish | Demon`: always verify that its correct before using it |
| 21:33.30 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: or your disk for that matter, but sure its possible yes. |
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| 21:33.37 | guestish | Demon`: you used windows mbr recovery tool? |
| 21:33.40 | Demon` | guestish: it was correct |
| 21:33.44 | helix | well, I was under the impression you were going to use it to make me appreciate anime |
| 21:34.09 | mxldr | hey- i want to have a best eye-candy desktop to impress people. what window manager would you reccommend? |
| 21:34.09 | helix | but we'll work something out |
| 21:34.09 | guestish | Demon`: did grub hang or did windows? |
| 21:34.09 | asg | mxldr: ion |
| 21:34.09 | helix | ionnnnnnnnnnn |
| 21:34.09 | mxldr | ion? |
| 21:34.09 | Demon` | guestish: on the first installion, thoguh it refused to even boot the cd after the second one |
| 21:34.09 | helix | ion++ |
| 21:34.10 | Phated | For eyecandy? |
| 21:34.10 | asuffield | no, eva's how you make somebody take anime seriously, by scaring the fuck out of them >:) |
| 21:34.19 | asg | mxldr: yes, they won't understand it at all. |
| 21:34.19 | helix | asuffield: whatever works. |
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| 21:34.26 | guestish | Demon`: tell me what hung |
| 21:34.27 | Phated | mxldr: Try xfce4. |
| 21:34.30 | guestish | Demon`: you are being too vauge |
| 21:34.30 | asg | Phated: sure, just have some xterms doing something sexy |
| 21:34.32 | Demon` | guestish: grub showed it's "blah blah, chainload +1" message and then nothing would happen |
| 21:34.34 | jhawk | Demon if I understand you installed grub and lost windows: You can run fdisk /mbr (clears mbr) then install grub to root of partition then in linux dd if=/root/partion of=./dos_to_debian bs=512 count =1 then add dos_to_debian in windows boot.ini |
| 21:34.36 | helix | like mine! |
| 21:34.37 | Moritz| | valdyn_: any recommendations to find the exact software which is causing the load? Is there some software which shows me the proces that costs the most time for other processes that are in the queue? |
| 21:34.40 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: it would have to run with higher priority and uh,details on that depends on your schedular, which goes way over my head |
| 21:34.45 | guestish | Demon`: so windows, not grub, hung? |
| 21:34.47 | Phated | asg: Right. |
| 21:34.58 | Phated | Define "something sexy". |
| 21:35.06 | chugga | !sexy |
| 21:35.07 | valdyn_ | Moritz|: stop them in turn |
| 21:35.12 | helix | Phated: like my urxvts |
| 21:35.15 | helix | Phated: PASTEL |
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| 21:35.18 | asg | Phated: because xterms containing things doing work is far better than a picture of a stupid field |
| 21:35.20 | Phated | helix: Those aren't sexy, those are scary. |
| 21:35.20 | Demon` | guestish: looks like grub |
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| 21:35.23 | helix | :( |
| 21:35.23 | asuffield | to actually make somebody appreciate anime you'd want something like.... oh, Full Metal Panic, or Mai Hime, or so |
| 21:35.27 | greycat | Phated: "it makes you horny" |
| 21:35.30 | Phated | Which... in some circles is sexy, but. |
| 21:35.37 | helix | asuffield: ok, well gather whatever is necessary |
| 21:35.40 | guestish | Demon`: did you get to the OS selection screen unmolested? |
| 21:35.40 | Moritz| | valdyn_: Hmm, prolly the best thing, shame that that means some downtime for my site, but might go faster afterwards. Thanks for your time |
| 21:35.44 | Demon` | guestish: it didn't show the windows logo or anything |
| 21:35.44 | Phated | greycat: I've never been made horny by an xterm. |
| 21:36.11 | guestish | Demon`: tell me what you want and the reasoning behind it |
| 21:36.12 | mxldr | how does xfce4 look good? |
| 21:36.12 | helix | I hope summer in the UK isn't gross and horrible |
| 21:36.14 | asg | Phated: well, some Enlightenment decorations give xterms horns |
| 21:36.17 | Phated | helix: Sorreeee. I was badly traumatised in early childhood at nursery. Many pastels around. Bad memories. :) |
| 21:36.17 | guestish | Demon`: ill wait :) |
| 21:36.24 | helix | pastels are rad |
| 21:36.25 | asuffield | Phated: clearly you are not a male american teenage nerd |
| 21:36.28 | greycat | Phated: I can't say I have, either. |
| 21:36.32 | Phated | mxldr: I dunno, it's glossy and stuff? |
| 21:36.41 | Phated | asuffield: No, I'm a female asian teenage nerd. |
| 21:36.52 | piem | helix: it could be sometimes :) |
| 21:36.52 | Phated | greycat: Indeed. |
| 21:36.52 | greycat | asuffield: thank god. we have enough of those already. |
| 21:36.52 | Demon` | guestish: listen, I'm tired of recovering my MBR, I want to install debian without any boot loader and without it trying to mess with my MBR |
| 21:36.52 | helix | Phated: he's hitting on you |
| 21:37.00 | guestish | Demon`: i need more than that |
| 21:37.14 | mxldr | i mean like if i was making a movie about hackers- that "cool" |
| 21:37.16 | Phated | helix: By telling me I'm not male? He needs work on his technique. |
| 21:37.20 | Phated | mxldr: HAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:37.29 | helix | well, asuffield is not known for his 'game' |
| 21:37.35 | mxldr | i mean, i used gdesklets and karamba |
| 21:37.39 | guestish | Demon`: you know everything, i have no clue who you are, why you are doing this, and i only have a vauge inkling of your situation |
| 21:37.40 | Phated | mxldr: Most hackers consider a bash shell cool. That's about it. |
| 21:37.54 | guestish | Demon`: so far i have windows wouldnt boot after a second reinstall due to something grubish |
| 21:37.56 | Phated | helix: Heh. |
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| 21:37.59 | asuffield | Phated: it's what you do with it that counts |
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| 21:38.01 | mxldr | oh- i prefer sh |
| 21:38.02 | doublehp | rahhhh greycat .... plz come back |
| 21:38.04 | asuffield | helix: you've never seen me 'try' :P |
| 21:38.04 | mxldr | but anyway |
| 21:38.07 | alejandro_ | when using aptitude dist-upgrade, it tries to uninstall postfix and install exim4, is that normal? :S |
| 21:38.15 | Phated | helix: Oh now he's hitting on you. |
| 21:38.17 | helix | asuffield: are you actually nice to girls you like? |
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| 21:38.21 | doublehp | how can I redefine a definition for dpkg ? |
| 21:38.22 | helix | Phated: no :) |
| 21:38.24 | asg | mxldr: sh is bash by default on debian |
| 21:38.28 | asuffield | helix: that would depend on your definitions |
| 21:38.29 | Phated | helix: :D |
| 21:38.33 | asg | doublehp: /msg dpkg help |
| 21:38.43 | Phated | Yes, he needs a definition of "girls" too. *ducks* |
| 21:38.49 | guestish | Demon`: so as a result you simply dont want to deal with a bootloader and want to boot off a disk? |
| 21:38.52 | sussudio | badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerpeanutpeanutbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerFOXooohit'safox |
| 21:38.52 | helix | asuffield: well, for example: if you liked a girl, would you ask her how her day was? |
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| 21:38.54 | Demon` | guestish: look it's simple, I don't want a boot loader, and I want windows to boot normally, without any change to my boot sector or anything, because I tried for 3 times already and always got my boot sector fucked and unable to boot any OS |
| 21:38.58 | mxldr | like if they were going to make an MTV movie about "superhacjers", what would the coolest GUI be? |
| 21:39.07 | alejandro_ | doublehp, the bot? or the package? |
| 21:39.18 | sussudio | superhacjers? |
| 21:39.19 | Phated | Something totally bloated and unproductive? |
| 21:39.24 | asg | mxldr: ion + rxvts doing stuff. Use a matrix screensaver if you have to |
| 21:39.25 | asuffield | helix: not without reason. I operate under the assumption that people will say something if they have something worth saying |
| 21:39.26 | doublehp | asg: it says it cant forget java, so how can I redefine it ? |
| 21:39.29 | Phated | gdesklets, maybe... |
| 21:39.31 | dondelelcaro | mxldr: it would be a glowing amber screen with cryptic characters in unicode being displayed |
| 21:39.34 | Phated | A couple of applets... |
| 21:39.40 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Why amber? |
| 21:39.43 | sussudio | that kid on "Huff" used KDE |
| 21:39.43 | guestish | Demon`: ok, hows this, you can boot without a linux MBR bootloader using a grub rescue disk, but i would try first to use lilo. like i said earlier lilo can be set up to boot directly into windows unless a shift key is held at system boot |
| 21:39.43 | Nosf3ratu | i just had a few processes killed by OOM killer. i don't think this should have happened, but what are some common causes? |
| 21:39.50 | guestish | Demon`: your error sounds grub specific |
| 21:39.50 | dondelelcaro | Phated: it's cooler than greenchrome |
| 21:40.01 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Electric blue? :) |
| 21:40.03 | Nosf3ratu | the entire machine locked up (i lost my ssh tunnel to it) for about a half hour and 3 procs were killed (irssi, xmms, and mysqld) |
| 21:40.07 | asg | dondelelcaro: xterm -fg orange? |
| 21:40.09 | helix | asuffield: ok. hmm. and do you do nice things for girls you like? |
| 21:40.10 | Phated | sussudio: Apparently gnome was used in "Antitrust". |
| 21:40.20 | helix | I'm having a hard time thinking of an example |
| 21:40.23 | guestish | Demon`: if you want a grub rescue disk there are plenty of docs on how to do it on the web, as far as lilo the process is simple and i'd be happy to see if i could walk you through it |
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| 21:40.28 | asg | doublehp: why do you want the bot to forget it? |
| 21:40.32 | Demon` | guestish: I don't want grub, and I managed to install without it, but somehow the installion messed my boot sector |
| 21:40.38 | sussudio | Phated: it was totally unconvincing though... first the kid runs "GAME.EXE" and then the 3d game actually works... |
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| 21:40.45 | Phated | helix: Like... Carry books? XD |
| 21:40.55 | Phated | sussudio: On KDE? o.o |
| 21:41.05 | helix | heh |
| 21:41.07 | sussudio | Phated: what are the odds of getting 3d support under X? |
| 21:41.13 | guestish | Demon`: restoring the windows MBR is easy, im sure you know that |
| 21:41.15 | helix | I'm trying to think of nice things people have done for me |
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| 21:41.22 | asuffield | helix: you're going to run up against my somewhat unconventional definition of 'nice' with a question like that... |
| 21:41.27 | Phated | sussudio: What are the odds of getting .exes to work without "wine" before it? :) |
| 21:41.27 | alejandro_ | how can I stop aptitude removing postfix and trying to install exim4? |
| 21:41.38 | asg | alejandro_: don't install exim4 |
| 21:41.43 | sussudio | :-| |
| 21:41.44 | asuffield | helix: most things that most people would put in that class, I'd label as "patronising" or "irritating" |
| 21:41.44 | Phated | asuffield: No, removing all her toys is -not- nice. |
| 21:41.45 | helix | asuffield: yeah, I'm being terribly vague. |
| 21:41.56 | helix | asuffield: right, I don't mean like that -- I mean something you know she'd like |
| 21:42.02 | guestish | Demon`: so you want to go with the GRUB rescue disk for booting into linux? |
| 21:42.07 | Phated | Carry books! |
| 21:42.11 | asg | buy beer |
| 21:42.20 | guestish | Demon`: it fits on a floppy, and you can use it solely for linux, not for windows |
| 21:42.20 | asuffield | Phated: geez, you must have too many books or somethinb |
| 21:42.22 | Phated | Buy a book. |
| 21:42.27 | Demon` | guestish: I used "fixmbr" and "fixboot" a few minutes ago, and it didn't fix anything this time, I had to use a backup of my MBR on a boot disc |
| 21:42.27 | doublehp | asg: some workarounh were missing, but I added them in some side topic ... |
| 21:42.35 | Phated | asuffield: I study in Singapore. You think? |
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| 21:42.45 | guestish | Demon`: did that work? |
| 21:43.01 | alejandro_ | asg, that's what i want, not to install exim4, but when I do a aptitude dist-upgrade tries to do that |
| 21:43.01 | asg | doublehp: oh, if you wanted to add to it, a simple '/msg <bot> <factoid> is also "your text here"' |
| 21:43.01 | asuffield | Phated: means nothing to me. and I can't imagine why you'd need them carrying around all over the place either |
| 21:43.12 | Demon` | guestish: restoring from the backup mbr worked |
| 21:43.17 | asg | alejandro_: then un-mark it for addition or find out what you did mark that wants it. |
| 21:43.26 | Phated | asuffield: Me neither. I did however have to carry a fairly large load to school. |
| 21:43.39 | guestish | Demon`: k |
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| 21:43.49 | asg | alejandro_: you'll have to ask someone else how though, it's particularly for these reasons that I only use apt-get. |
| 21:43.56 | helix | I don't think I ever remembered my books for school |
| 21:44.13 | asg | helix: I find that very hard to believe |
| 21:44.26 | Phated | Hah. |
| 21:44.31 | helix | why does my jewish boss have to be so stereotypical |
| 21:45.12 | sussudio | oy! |
| 21:45.13 | dvs | helix: how so? |
| 21:45.13 | PerfDave | helix: Is he running around shouting "oy vey" every five minutes? |
| 21:45.13 | Phated | Well, that was sudden. |
| 21:45.13 | guestish | helix: ... |
| 21:45.13 | alejandro_ | asg, me to, but someone told me aptitude was better :S |
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| 21:45.13 | helix | no, he's just all the stereotypes come true |
| 21:45.17 | Phated | -All-? |
| 21:45.25 | Phated | That sounds scary. |
| 21:45.25 | guestish | what are the stereotypes? |
| 21:45.27 | Blissex | helix: a lot of people are steortypical. Some people try hard to be. For example many nerds try hard to look like nerds and behave like nerds. |
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| 21:45.39 | helix | Blissex: indeed |
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| 21:45.44 | helix | it's always sucky to see though |
| 21:45.51 | Phated | helix: Is he the embodiment of the stereotypes, or does he stereotype? |
| 21:46.00 | helix | he's the embodiment |
| 21:46.03 | Phated | Ah. |
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| 21:46.06 | hibla | hmm can anyone please explain more about 'redhat crap' (which apt source i have to add...) > 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' |
| 21:46.08 | ed | 738 nicks ! :) |
| 21:46.08 | helix | I always rejected them until I worked here |
| 21:46.21 | junix|work | anyone had any trouble mounting a nfs share from a different linux distro, like suse perhaps? |
| 21:46.27 | char0x30 | Anybody know of any docs explaining how to handle VPN connections to a server behind a box doing NAT? |
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| 21:46.41 | tatoo | could please somebody tell me what's the difference between _telinit_ and _init_ (if it exists)? |
| 21:46.45 | bucky | helix you ever see that movie braincandy? |
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| 21:47.11 | Nosf3ratu | What are some common causes of running out of memory? |
| 21:47.21 | Demon` | man, why would the installion mess with my MBR/boot sector if I don't install grub or lilo? |
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| 21:47.21 | Phated | Using too much memory. |
| 21:47.22 | Nosf3ratu | Using the box remotely, with little to nothing actually going on on it. |
| 21:47.23 | helix | bucky: no |
| 21:47.25 | asg | Nosf3ratu: not having swap |
| 21:47.26 | bucky | Nosf3ratu, memory leak |
| 21:47.36 | Nosf3ratu | asg, I have 1G. |
| 21:47.37 | takatumi | Nosf3ratu: old age |
| 21:47.37 | guestish | Demon`: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialRecoveryAndBootDisk.html |
| 21:47.40 | bucky | helix, it's about those kind of things.. kind of |
| 21:47.40 | Nosf3ratu | bucky, that's what I'm thinking, too... |
| 21:47.40 | dvs | Nosf3ratu: Too many processes |
| 21:47.46 | Nosf3ratu | Any way to detect memory leaks? |
| 21:47.54 | helix | bucky: ah |
| 21:47.54 | Nosf3ratu | Perhaps my own badly written pl scripts, etc? |
| 21:48.02 | itom | hi all, I need a webmail for my mailserver, have any suggest? how webmail do you prefer? |
| 21:48.04 | Nosf3ratu | dvs, it was only around 120 |
| 21:48.06 | Nosf3ratu | at the very most. |
| 21:48.07 | guestish | Demon`: make a rescue disk and you should be in good shape |
| 21:48.11 | asg | Nosf3ratu: probably buffer cache then |
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| 21:48.17 | guestish | snailmail! :) |
| 21:48.17 | Demon` | guestish: thanks, I'll take a llok |
| 21:48.28 | katabroc | How can I mount ccd images on linux? |
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| 21:48.47 | PerfDave | How can I remove the journal from an ext3 partition and convert it to ext2? |
| 21:48.49 | stew | itom: squrrellmail |
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| 21:48.56 | stew | PerfDave: /msg dpkg ext3->ext2 |
| 21:49.06 | Nosf3ratu | asg, what do you mean by that? |
| 21:49.20 | guestish | erm, thats what i meant |
| 21:49.20 | j29 | I am trying to get port forwarding to work with ipmasq on a debian box with iptables, any got any link that might be able to help me /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/ isn't of any help |
| 21:49.20 | guestish | squirrelmail |
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| 21:49.20 | guestish | snailmail is something else, heh |
| 21:49.23 | stew | badgermail |
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| 21:49.27 | asg | Nosf3ratu: when you run programs and they end, they are cached. Also, filesystem buffers increase memory usage. |
| 21:49.32 | Nosf3ratu | asg, I'm suspicious that I have bad ram, as well, I should point out. My machine locks up solid regularly... |
| 21:49.40 | asg | !free memory |
| 21:49.40 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 21:49.41 | katabroc | How can I mount .ccd files??? |
| 21:49.53 | asg | Nosf3ratu: oh, if you get lockups, try memtest86 |
| 21:50.07 | Nosf3ratu | asg, afaik, every stick failed. |
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| 21:50.17 | PerfDave | stew: Cheers |
| 21:50.17 | Nosf3ratu | i did a test a couple months back... |
| 21:50.22 | asg | Nosf3ratu: not a good sign then. |
| 21:50.24 | soccos | i used to have something that would automount my (usb) pen drive when I connected it, any ideas what it might be? |
| 21:50.28 | jerome_ | Help !!! i'm trying to configure xkbsel to switch to arabic layout but... |
| 21:50.31 | Nosf3ratu | the real question is, though, would bad ram have more issues "running out" than good ram? |
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| 21:50.35 | Nosf3ratu | makes no sense, i know... |
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| 21:50.41 | junix|work | anyone had any trouble mounting a nfs share from a different linux distro, like suse perhaps? |
| 21:50.44 | jstevens | jerome_: was it autofs ? |
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| 21:50.55 | asg | Nosf3ratu: bad ram will cause lockups if that's what you mean. |
| 21:51.19 | katabroc | How can I mount .ccd files??? |
| 21:51.20 | Nosf3ratu | asg, I know that, but let me reiterate the question: does OOM killer freeze up the box while it cleans up? |
| 21:51.32 | Nosf3ratu | because my box was completely unresponsive for about 30 minutes. |
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| 21:51.44 | asg | Nosf3ratu: oh, hmmm. That I don't know. |
| 21:51.49 | j29 | I am trying to get port forwarding to work with ipmasq on a debian box with iptables, any got any link that might be able to help me /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/ isn't of any help |
| 21:51.50 | jstevens | jerome_: greycat mentioned it to me when I asked that question a little bit ago |
| 21:51.50 | Nosf3ratu | and if i were at home, i would have interpreted that as a solid lockup and reset it. |
| 21:51.57 | Nosf3ratu | but being that i was remote, i closed putty and disregarded it. |
| 21:51.59 | simonrvn | Nosf3ratu: no, unless the load was high too (usually) |
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| 21:52.09 | Nosf3ratu | simonrvn, that's doubtful. |
| 21:52.10 | jerome_ | i dont think , i don't see the link between autofs and xkbsel, (i'm a newbie) |
| 21:52.22 | Nosf3ratu | i need to build a new machine and deal with this afterwards, methinks. |
| 21:52.51 | jstevens | jermoe: what does xkbsel & a USB pen drive have to do w/ each other? |
| 21:53.41 | Nosf3ratu | Thanks for all your help. |
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| 21:54.14 | jerome_ | i don't have usb pen, i've got a multi lingual keyboard.. |
| 21:54.16 | itom | stew, thanks squirrelmail is what I search |
| 21:54.26 | Maneit | anything broken with gimp/gtk in sid? |
| 21:54.29 | asg | Maneit: the bts would know |
| 21:54.34 | guestish | gnome borked today for me in sid |
| 21:54.34 | Maneit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.37 | asg | !bts |
| 21:54.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:54.46 | asg | Maneit: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:54.46 | jstevens | jerome_: eyah, I think I read the wrong name, I thought someone asked about mounting a pen drive... sorry about that |
| 21:54.52 | guestish | it was a friggin resolution error...again! |
| 21:54.52 | Maneit | gimp: relocation error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_option_context_new <- something like that, guestish? |
| 21:54.53 | guestish | bah |
| 21:54.55 | PerfDave | !btssmite Maneit |
| 21:54.58 | soccos | jstevens: that was me |
| 21:54.59 | guestish | Maneit: na |
| 21:55.01 | jerome_ | i'm soory too... |
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| 21:55.09 | guestish | Maneit: check the bts |
| 21:55.14 | Maneit | i am |
| 21:55.35 | jstevens | soccos: I jsut scrolled up and saw that.. did you see my statement about autofs ? |
| 21:55.40 | Maneit | Don't seem to find any |
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| 21:56.57 | sussudio | asg: http://badgercam.webhop.org/ |
| 21:57.01 | Maneit | relocation error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_option_context_new <- I get that nomatter what gtk app I try to start.. |
| 21:57.08 | jerome_ | sarge, cannot swith to arabic kb help !!! |
| 21:57.15 | soccos | jstevens: autofs isn't installed atm, maybe that's what I need |
| 21:57.26 | jstevens | jerome_: no clue about the arabic... |
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| 21:58.30 | soccos | jstevens: apparently not |
| 21:58.31 | jstevens | soccos: greycat mentioned it to me when I asked the auto-mounting question earlier.. I'm thinking it'll work on CDs, CF cards, and USB sticks... but haven't tried it.. the description that apt gives for it seems to match |
| 21:59.01 | jstevens | soccos: ... "apparently not" ?? |
| 21:59.03 | soccos | jstevens: something used to do it. it got accidentally uninstalled |
| 21:59.30 | soccos | jstevens: an icon used to just appear on my desktop when I plugged the drive in |
| 22:00.00 | bucky | how can i stream a mp3 / ogg / shoutcast from the command line ? |
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| 22:00.22 | jstevens | soccos: dunno... I'm interested in what the answer is though! |
| 22:00.24 | asg | sussudio: ah, feeding time. |
| 22:00.40 | asg | sussudio: and an interloper |
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| 22:00.55 | scorphus | Hi all, my box is getting 'No space left on device'. When browsing I can see a file named wtmp with size of 1.5GB. Can I delete it? |
| 22:01.05 | takatumi | soccos: in gnome? gnome-volume-manager |
| 22:01.18 | scorphus | the file is /var/log/wtmp |
| 22:01.19 | asg | scorphus: :> /var/log/wtmp |
| 22:01.24 | scorphus | yep |
| 22:01.33 | asg | scorphus: :> /var/log/wtmp (will truncate it) |
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| 22:01.57 | katabroc | what :> does to the file? |
| 22:02.00 | soccos | takatumi: that sounds promising |
| 22:02.03 | asg | katabroc: truncates it |
| 22:02.10 | scorphus | asg: and what is this wtmp file all about |
| 22:02.11 | katabroc | truncates means? |
| 22:02.18 | asg | scorphus: it records logins, reboots, etc. |
| 22:02.23 | asg | katabroc: set it to 0 size |
| 22:02.26 | katabroc | =) |
| 22:02.30 | katabroc | cooool |
| 22:02.32 | katabroc | :) |
| 22:02.32 | asg | katabroc: without deleting it |
| 22:02.32 | scorphus | nice |
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| 22:02.42 | scorphus | asg: thanks |
| 22:02.42 | katabroc | asg, and if I need it back? |
| 22:02.44 | asg | scorphus: you're welcome |
| 22:02.49 | asg | katabroc: resore from backups |
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| 22:02.57 | asg | katabroc: or use a better log rotation strategy |
| 22:03.02 | katabroc | hmm.. interesting... thanks |
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| 22:03.43 | asg | katabroc: it's used by the 'last' command |
| 22:03.46 | soccos | takatumi: thx |
| 22:04.11 | soccos | jstevens: gnome-volume-manager |
| 22:04.12 | asg | katabroc: though not 'the last command' which was an 80's metal album by the band WASP. |
| 22:04.15 | jstevens | soccos: cool |
| 22:04.47 | jstevens | takatumi: how well does that work if you are using a different window manager (I'm using enlightenment) |
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| 22:05.17 | takatumi | jstevens: haven't tried it, maybe look at pmount instead. |
| 22:05.27 | Guerin | so is sarge released yet? |
| 22:05.40 | Guerin | asg: you and your '80s met'l |
| 22:05.47 | takatumi | Guerin: yeah right. :) |
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| 22:06.05 | Guerin | takatumi: just checkin' |
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| 22:06.34 | Guerin | well, I found today that ppp is really trivial to set up on debian |
| 22:06.41 | Guerin | unsurprisingly |
| 22:06.53 | PerfDave | Guerin: Good, I'll be doing it when I pick up some PCI ADSL modems soon ;) |
| 22:06.59 | directhex | assuming you have a real modem |
| 22:07.11 | directhex | setting up ppp on anything with an ltmodem is non-trivial |
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| 22:07.15 | streuner_ | Guerin: everything is easy if you know how ... |
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| 22:07.17 | Guerin | yeah, I'm lucky enough that my laptop is old enough to not have a builtin |
| 22:07.33 | Guerin | streuner_: but I didn't know how... |
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| 22:07.58 | takatumi | actually once you get the right driver for the wincrapmodem, setting up ppp is trivial there too |
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| 22:08.09 | Guerin | takatumi: does it need a glob? |
| 22:08.15 | Guerin | err, blob |
| 22:08.24 | Guerin | y'know, one of those binary thingas |
| 22:08.34 | takatumi | Guerin: yup |
| 22:08.37 | asg | Guerin: hah |
| 22:08.46 | SARGE_User | i need a dyndns auto updater but free and working on sarge |
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| 22:09.05 | PerfDave | SARGE_User: There are several |
| 22:09.11 | asg | SARGE_User: the dyndns website has a number of easy to work with cronable scripts |
| 22:09.13 | SARGE_User | just pick the best |
| 22:09.14 | streuner_ | SARGE_User: apt-cache search dyndns |
| 22:09.19 | Guerin | !tell SARGE_User about search |
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| 22:09.28 | justdust | hmm |
| 22:09.29 | asg | !info ddclient sarge |
| 22:09.31 | justdust | hello all |
| 22:09.36 | justdust | what's up ? |
| 22:09.55 | PerfDave | SARGE_User: apt-cache search dynamic dns; apt-cache search dyndns; apt-cache search ddns |
| 22:09.55 | dpkg | ddclient: (Update dynamic IP address at DynDNS.org), section net, is extra. Version: 3.6.2-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 244 kB |
| 22:09.55 | asg | SARGE_User: ^^^ |
| 22:10.02 | SARGE_User | thx!! @ll |
| 22:10.05 | asg | !qotd110 |
| 22:10.05 | dpkg | < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
| 22:10.14 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 22:10.40 | justdust | sure missed that chat talk ! |
| 22:10.48 | Phated | Didn't miss much. |
| 22:10.54 | takatumi | how did he log into debian and then type the user and pass? |
| 22:11.06 | jetscreamer | console? |
| 22:11.07 | asg | takatumi: it was a long and painful exchange |
| 22:11.20 | jetscreamer | deja vu! |
| 22:11.22 | takatumi | asg: :) |
| 22:11.22 | Phated | To say the least. |
| 22:11.29 | asg | takatumi: logged in means 'pushed the power button' |
| 22:11.31 | Phated | "How can I get onto the main GUI". |
| 22:11.32 | justdust | Phated, nothing hapened in two weks ? |
| 22:11.35 | justdust | weeks |
| 22:11.37 | takatumi | asg: ah. |
| 22:11.38 | asg | Phated: hehe |
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| 22:12.02 | Phated | justdust: Plenty happened. People like cOLDrIPPA evolved from pond scum. |
| 22:12.04 | streuner_ | Those quotes aren't that helpful... |
| 22:12.18 | justdust | nice |
| 22:12.25 | Demon` | when I get the "boot:" prompt on a debian boot disc, what should I input in order to boot from /dev/hda3 ? |
| 22:12.26 | asg | Phated: caphuso and I cooked up a parser for the bot database to generate qotd fortune files |
| 22:12.26 | justdust | glad I misse dthat... |
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| 22:12.38 | Phated | asg: Lovely. |
| 22:12.46 | justdust | something's wrong with my keyboard.. |
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| 22:13.10 | asg | Phated: as soon as I add some automation, we'll have daily updates. |
| 22:13.26 | Phated | asg: Cool. Packages for Debian yet? |
| 22:13.31 | drac | is there something i can say to 'dpkg' to make good statement 'bout NON-DEBIAN (e.g. knoppix) |
| 22:13.38 | robl^ | hrmm. what is the debian equiv of /etc/rc.local? |
| 22:13.47 | jetscreamer | drac, no it's impossible |
| 22:13.54 | Phated | drac: /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 22:13.57 | streuner_ | robl^: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 22:13.57 | asg | Phated: not yet |
| 22:14.06 | Phated | asg: Ah well. |
| 22:14.17 | abrotman | asg: does it do flw also? |
| 22:14.20 | abrotman | !flw0 |
| 22:14.23 | abrotman | !flw |
| 22:14.24 | dpkg | somebody said flw27 was <topa_> Guerin, tis ok i know what i'm doin |
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| 22:14.36 | jetscreamer | dpkg, good statement about non-debian is <reply> Anathema! |
| 22:14.37 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 22:14.46 | jetscreamer | !good statement about non-debian |
| 22:14.47 | Phated | I'm fairly sure I got a flw once. |
| 22:14.56 | drac | Phated: Ah, kind of what I was looking. |
| 22:15.00 | jetscreamer | phhht |
| 22:15.01 | takatumi | !badgerknoppix |
| 22:15.10 | asg | abrotman: no, only factoids that begin with 'qotd[0-9]+' |
| 22:15.16 | thingfish | it should be the whole thing, "anathema sit" |
| 22:15.28 | justdust | Phated, asg &co like Guerin, give me a few weeks, good news on the way... |
| 22:15.31 | abrotman | asg: why not just have it call qotd0 ? |
| 22:15.43 | Phated | justdust: What kind of good news? |
| 22:15.46 | asg | abrotman: because we generate a fortune(6) file out of the data. |
| 22:15.52 | abrotman | justdust: you're bill gates and you love debian ? |
| 22:15.53 | justdust | GOOD news |
| 22:16.06 | Phated | asg: Those will become my new login greetings once I get bored of the BOFH ones. |
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| 22:16.10 | abrotman | !fart me |
| 22:16.10 | asg | justdust: as in we can't touch Europa 'good news'? |
| 22:16.15 | asg | Phated: hehe |
| 22:16.17 | justdust | I ain't Billl... |
| 22:16.17 | abrotman | is dpkg dying again? |
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| 22:16.19 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 22:16.23 | Phated | justdust: Why asg, Phated, Guerin, and so on? |
| 22:16.24 | jetscreamer | yeah abrotman |
| 22:16.31 | Phated | asg: Check it out on dotfiles.org. :) |
| 22:16.39 | jetscreamer | maybe i borked him |
| 22:16.46 | abrotman | he won't answer in msg either |
| 22:16.49 | Phated | !test |
| 22:16.51 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 22:16.53 | justdust | because you'rz the guys who are allwaye here... |
| 22:16.56 | Phated | Uh-oh... |
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| 22:17.06 | jetscreamer | ~i broke dpkg! |
| 22:17.08 | asg | jetscreamer: it might have been me asking for ddclient sarge |
| 22:17.10 | Phated | justdust: So why does this good news have to do with us, even if we're always here? |
| 22:17.31 | justdust | duno |
| 22:17.50 | Phated | So it's just random good news. |
| 22:18.17 | Phated | Hm, are all the bots dead? |
| 22:18.20 | justdust | for me it's allot of work.. |
| 22:18.23 | abrotman | apt: hi |
| 22:18.24 | apt | hello, abrotman |
| 22:18.27 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 22:18.32 | thingfish | maybe they're on strike... |
| 22:18.34 | abrotman | bah . he answered me once |
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| 22:18.51 | Phated | Oh, dear. |
| 22:18.52 | takatumi | abrotman: that was the last. |
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| 22:18.53 | jetscreamer | ~dpkg |
| 22:18.54 | apt | dpkg is, like, a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
| 22:18.54 | Phated | Poor bots. |
| 22:19.10 | pbryan | Anyone else having segfaults with apt-get? |
| 22:19.24 | asg | pbryan: what debian? |
| 22:19.27 | KB1FYR | Who here uses gnome? |
| 22:19.28 | pbryan | Yup. |
| 22:19.30 | pbryan | Oh, sarge. |
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| 22:19.39 | pbryan | I use GNOME. |
| 22:19.44 | justdust | Who's the Debian chief moderator over here ? |
| 22:19.45 | pbryan | (that was to KB1) |
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| 22:19.54 | Phated | justdust: No one. |
| 22:19.56 | jetscreamer | there is no kdegnome |
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| 22:20.12 | justdust | well |
| 22:20.13 | KB1FYR | pbryan: You know the bar at the bottom of the gnome screen? |
| 22:20.19 | pbryan | Yup. |
| 22:20.21 | KB1FYR | It's like the KDE kicker... |
| 22:20.22 | Phated | The panel. |
| 22:20.24 | justdust | then |
| 22:20.25 | KB1FYR | I have nothing on mine |
| 22:20.25 | pbryan | Kicker/ |
| 22:20.26 | pbryan | ? |
| 22:20.28 | jetscreamer | there is no bar |
| 22:20.33 | pbryan | No bar at top or bottom? |
| 22:20.34 | Phated | Kicker is the name of the KDE panel. |
| 22:20.39 | KB1FYR | How do I configure it? |
| 22:20.40 | pbryan | Oh. |
| 22:20.43 | Ronin | jetscreamer: totally off topic but what kind of bot is dpkg? infobot, rubybot? |
| 22:20.44 | Phated | I believe he means he has a bar, but nothing on it. |
| 22:20.45 | pbryan | Right click on it. |
| 22:20.47 | jetscreamer | if it was a bar i could get a drink |
| 22:20.52 | KB1FYR | I have both bars, but the bottom one doesn't work |
| 22:20.56 | pbryan | Add to panel. |
| 22:20.56 | jetscreamer | Ronin, it's a blootbot |
| 22:20.57 | KB1FYR | oh, ok |
| 22:21.04 | justdust | for all of us there will be one more mirror http / ftp... |
| 22:21.08 | Ronin | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 22:21.11 | dondelelcaro | justdust: what is the problem? |
| 22:21.16 | pbryan | In the default install of GNOME, the bottom bar is generally intended to hold the currently opened windows. |
| 22:21.25 | jetscreamer | Ronin, check out supybot also, it's cool |
| 22:21.25 | pbryan | So, nobody else is getting segfaults with apt-get? |
| 22:21.27 | KB1FYR | yeah |
| 22:21.52 | KB1FYR | try a different mirror pbryan |
| 22:21.59 | justdust | dondelelcaro, no problem |
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| 22:22.17 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Incidentally, dpkg seems borkish... |
| 22:22.31 | jetscreamer | more like borked. |
| 22:22.54 | dondelelcaro | !test |
| 22:23.02 | SARGE_User | oh my god |
| 22:23.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he won't even fart |
| 22:23.16 | Phated | Or anything. I think we broke him. :( |
| 22:23.16 | jetscreamer | maybe he's constipated |
| 22:23.26 | abrotman | i asked him something .. and he died |
| 22:23.30 | SARGE_User | lol |
| 22:23.33 | abrotman | ~punish me for killing dpkg |
| 22:23.35 | apt | ACTION makes abrotman administer HP-UX for killing dpkg |
| 22:23.35 | jetscreamer | heh... constiphated |
| 22:23.35 | Phated | I asked him something too. |
| 22:23.45 | abrotman | ack! |
| 22:23.46 | Phated | @lart me for killing dpkg |
| 22:23.48 | dondelelcaro | stupid thing keeps dying |
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| 22:24.08 | abrotman | dpkg: feel better? |
| 22:24.09 | dpkg | no idea, abrotman |
| 22:24.12 | stew | !wb |
| 22:24.15 | Phated | Poor dpkg. |
| 22:24.16 | dpkg | thanks, stew. It's good to be back. |
| 22:24.18 | pbryan | dpkg: what's wrong with apt-get? |
| 22:24.25 | jetscreamer | !good statement about non-debian |
| 22:24.26 | dpkg | pbryan: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 22:24.31 | pbryan | Heh. |
| 22:24.36 | stew | pbryan: which version of debian are you running? |
| 22:24.36 | Phated | Think he's lagging too. |
| 22:24.36 | dpkg | Anathema! |
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| 22:24.40 | pbryan | stew: sarge |
| 22:24.41 | jetscreamer | laaaag |
| 22:24.46 | Phated | jetscreamer: :p |
| 22:24.56 | dondelelcaro | nah, there's just 8 people asking the bot questions at once |
| 22:25.11 | dondelelcaro | !test |
| 22:25.20 | dpkg | Yes, dondelelcaro, you're still online. |
| 22:25.21 | jetscreamer | cpu lag ok |
| 22:25.22 | pbryan | !apt-get |
| 22:25.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me |
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| 22:25.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: we're really killing him eh? |
| 22:25.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, it can only do so many things at once, and it has to be careful not to flood itself off the network |
| 22:25.52 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: gotcha |
| 22:25.54 | stew | pbryan: check the bts but i doubt you'd find anything, i'd try memtest86 and check for overheating |
| 22:26.14 | jetscreamer | you need to give dpkg his own box with quad xeons and a terrabyte of ram |
| 22:26.24 | jetscreamer | ht enabled of course |
| 22:26.34 | justdust | anyway, does anyone care about 300 users switching from Win2000 to debian this year ? |
| 22:26.37 | asg | jetscreamer: apparently ht slows things down. |
| 22:26.48 | jetscreamer | ok disabled then |
| 22:26.49 | bwlang | is there a gui version of reportbug? |
| 22:26.56 | asg | bwlang: xterm -e reportbug |
| 22:26.58 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: you don't need one |
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| 22:27.13 | justdust | guess not... |
| 22:27.15 | jetscreamer | there's bugbuddy for gnome, but i dunno if it does debian br |
| 22:27.18 | asg | justdust: groovy, send a submission to debian weekly news. |
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| 22:27.32 | caphuso | yeah, 'cause writing text in a gtk window instead of a xterm makes it so much easier... |
| 22:27.35 | jetscreamer | there's bugs.debian.org |
| 22:27.43 | justdust | for sure |
| 22:27.48 | dondelelcaro | justdust: that's great... but market sharea hasn't ever been a prime concern |
| 22:28.08 | bwlang | bugs.debian.org is NOT a replacement for reportbug... |
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| 22:28.24 | bwlang | caphuso: i prefer cli... some of my users do not... |
| 22:28.26 | caphuso | bwlang: no, it's the backend of reportbug |
| 22:28.29 | jetscreamer | they don't have an html submission page? |
| 22:28.36 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: no. |
| 22:28.41 | jetscreamer | weird |
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| 22:29.01 | asg | bwlang: then have them report the bugs to you and you submit them with reportbug. |
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| 22:29.24 | caphuso | let's have wiki.bugs.debian.org! |
| 22:29.24 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: we expect users to have valid e-mail addresses when they submit bugs... otherwise it's impossible to verify/communicate with them |
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| 22:29.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:29.24 | bwlang | jetscreamer: no - and that woudl be stupid... you'd get no system information about the bugs... |
| 22:29.24 | jetscreamer | yeah yeah yeah okie |
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| 22:29.24 | jetscreamer | !moron jetscreamer |
| 22:29.25 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You are moron #64 |
| 22:29.34 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: it's not like it's difficult to use reportbug or bts or any of the other methods of submitting bugs and/or querying the bts... |
| 22:29.39 | asg | caphuso: then it would be more advertisements for penis enlargement |
| 22:29.48 | bwlang | asg: perfect... more user interaction to maximize my efficience ;) |
| 22:29.50 | nvz | man fillets-ng-data is like 63MB.. I didnt realize how big the data files were for that game. I've only played the first 4 or so levels.. its pretty cool game though |
| 22:29.55 | asg | bwlang: of course |
| 22:29.58 | dondelelcaro | (although, someone was making (has made?) a web->mail frontend for the bts) |
| 22:30.05 | asg | justdust: cool |
| 22:30.06 | xtreme | i'm having some problems connecting to wlan with ipw2100, it worked yesterday, now it dont, the module is loaded, the network is detected with iwlist but I can't get a link, i'm sitting 2 metres from the AP and just used in in windows. |
| 22:30.44 | bwlang | anyway - i didn't find anything gui - i guess there is nothing. |
| 22:30.44 | scorphus | asg: Hi, you helped me with the wtmp issue a little while ago. I was wondering what a better logrotate strategy could be. |
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| 22:30.47 | takatumi | nvz: lots of netsplits |
| 22:30.57 | asg | justdust: well, write up an article about the switch and post it somewhere. |
| 22:31.03 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: basically, you should be asking yourself: "Is a user who can only use a GUI capable of submitting useful bug reports to Debian?" |
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| 22:31.07 | darxeth | hey whats the best word proccessor out there for linux? :) |
| 22:31.13 | abrotman | !best |
| 22:31.13 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 22:31.20 | asg | scorphus: man 8 logrotate. |
| 22:31.23 | caphuso | no word processor is the best word processor |
| 22:31.25 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: I submit that generally the answer is no... they tend to just end up wasting developers time |
| 22:31.31 | scorphus | asg: great |
| 22:31.37 | nvz | takatumi: hmm.. I guess netsplit could cause that if I got separated from chanserv, and then tossed into #debian-overflow |
| 22:31.49 | jetscreamer | !vim |
| 22:31.49 | dpkg | [vim] the only true editor, or does syntax highlighting, has graphical X interface. Extremely popular vi clone that does syntax highlighting or don't forget to get .vimrc file from http://www.vim.org or the best thing since sliced bread, an editor that rocks your socks!!!, or something very cool, said because we need to have as long a block of text as the emacs factoid |
| 22:31.59 | bucky | darxeth, abiword |
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| 22:32.11 | asg | scorphus: rotate monthly and keep a few months (unless you have security/audit requirements) |
| 22:32.11 | takatumi | nvz: possible |
| 22:32.20 | justdust | I'd like to kow... |
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| 22:32.24 | nvz | takatumi: I mean nickserv btw |
| 22:32.25 | justdust | know |
| 22:32.25 | bwlang | dondelelcaro: well - just because somebody is afraid of cli it is not rational to assume that they are stupid. people have been programmed to think that gui apps are more "modern" |
| 22:32.34 | nvz | takatumi: you dont have to believe me when I type shit wrong :P |
| 22:32.42 | takatumi | nvz: :) |
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| 22:33.13 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: no, no... it's not that they are stupid or not. The question is, are they capable of submitting a useful bug report that isn't going to waste the developer's time? Usually the answer tends to be no if they can't use reportbug. (which is rediculously simple, as you know) |
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| 22:33.40 | darxeth | bucky: is it better than microsoft word office? :D |
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| 22:33.52 | jetscreamer | it's very similar to word |
| 22:33.58 | jetscreamer | works well |
| 22:34.03 | jetscreamer | looks nice |
| 22:34.05 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: writing with a broken pen in your own blood is better than word |
| 22:34.10 | asg | hehe |
| 22:34.15 | justdust | I have a "rather fast" internet connection now, can I contribute here somewhere ? |
| 22:34.23 | asg | dondelelcaro: at least the grammar checker doesn't trip you up. |
| 22:34.24 | caphuso | "similar to word", "works well", "looks nice"?!? damn, when did i enter the twilight zone? |
| 22:34.35 | asg | caphuso: #touch-feely-debian |
| 22:34.40 | asg | s/touch/touchy/ |
| 22:35.00 | dondelelcaro | asg: yeah. Too bad the grammar checker usually ends up being nearly totally useless |
| 22:35.04 | jetscreamer | well i was comparing it to oo writer in my mind |
| 22:35.05 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : oh man not that much!! :P |
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| 22:35.15 | jetscreamer | i don't care for oo much |
| 22:35.29 | asg | dondelelcaro: agreed, it has a penchant for being an active voice nazi as well. |
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| 22:36.41 | directhex | just because you CAN use CLI for things, doesn't neccessarily mean you should |
| 22:37.02 | asg | directhex: no but dondelelcaro's statement about useful bug reports is valid. |
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| 22:37.21 | directhex | asg, so who gets to submit the bugs on gui software? |
| 22:37.47 | jetscreamer | nobody |
| 22:37.52 | dondelelcaro | directhex: anyone who can drive reportbug or drive an MUA and read bugs.debian.org can |
| 22:37.53 | jetscreamer | there is no gui |
| 22:38.02 | dondelelcaro | directhex: it's not like you *have* to use reportbug |
| 22:38.02 | jetscreamer | there are no bugs |
| 22:38.09 | stew | there is no spoon |
| 22:38.19 | asg | !spoon |
| 22:38.19 | dpkg | There is no spoon. |
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| 22:38.20 | jetscreamer | there is no fork |
| 22:38.23 | directhex | i'm happy enough with reportbug, assuming i got my exim config right |
| 22:38.32 | dondelelcaro | directhex: you don't even need to have exim configured. |
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| 22:38.34 | caphuso | then what's all that soup for? |
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| 22:38.42 | directhex | dondelelcaro, it helps though |
| 22:38.53 | dondelelcaro | directhex: reportbug can communicate directly with the bugs.debian.org SMTP server |
| 22:38.55 | jetscreamer | sisyphus action |
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| 22:39.12 | dondelelcaro | (I think that's even the default now) |
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| 22:39.37 | ChrisW | hi |
| 22:39.48 | ChrisW | is there any way I can detach a running process from a terminal? |
| 22:39.54 | nvz | ChrisW: ^Z |
| 22:40.00 | nvz | ChrisW: use screen from now on |
| 22:40.08 | ChrisW | nvz: urm? |
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| 22:40.16 | jetscreamer | man screen |
| 22:40.16 | nvz | ChrisW: urm? |
| 22:40.21 | ChrisW | I have a process which has been running for a good few hours |
| 22:40.33 | cureless | ChrisW: you might need to install screen first |
| 22:40.35 | ChrisW | if I'd known it'd take that long, I would have run it under screen |
| 22:40.38 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: ^Z will just suspend it... next time use dtach or screen |
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| 22:41.00 | nvz | ChrisW: screen is a shell multiplexer, lets you run multiple screens on one terminal, and detach and reattach anywhere anytime |
| 22:41.02 | ChrisW | but, is there any way I can take the running process, and put it in a screen, or some such? |
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| 22:41.04 | SARGE_User | can somebody tell me how to add a user to vsftpd ? he has to login in his homedirectory and he should read and write execute |
| 22:41.07 | nvz | ChrisW: no |
| 22:41.12 | ChrisW | moo :-( |
| 22:41.14 | cureless | ChrisW: ^Z then bg will put in on the background but that's not what you want, is it? |
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| 22:41.20 | nvz | ChrisW: best you can do is Ctrl-Z and background it |
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| 22:41.27 | ama | i\ |
| 22:41.29 | ChrisW | cureless: well no, if my ssh connection dies, then so does the process, right? |
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| 22:41.36 | nvz | ChrisW: and use screen next time |
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| 22:41.46 | cureless | ChrisW: right, use screen or run the process with nohup. |
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| 22:42.02 | nvz | ChrisW: you really want to be using screen when you login via ssh |
| 22:42.10 | nvz | ChrisW: that way when you logout screen detaches |
| 22:42.13 | gImp | hello! i dist-upgraded and somehow the window/display manager got changed to gnome/sawfish from KDE.. what is the debian equivalent to redhat's "desktop switching tool" ? |
| 22:42.19 | ChrisW | cureless: yeah, but once I've started, I can't pause it and move it to a screen, can I? |
| 22:42.20 | nvz | ChrisW: and you can reattach again anytime from anywhere |
| 22:42.21 | SARGE_User | nohup ./process start& > /dev/null |
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| 22:42.36 | cureless | ChrisW: not as far as I know, but I don't know everything. |
| 22:42.39 | nvz | screw that, just yse screen |
| 22:42.41 | nvz | :P |
| 22:42.42 | ChrisW | :-( |
| 22:42.47 | takatumi | dist-upgrade switched WM? strange |
| 22:42.47 | SARGE_User | can somebody tell me how to add a user to vsftpd ? he has to login in his homedirectory and he should read and write execute |
| 22:42.53 | ChrisW | nvz: yeah, I usually do |
| 22:43.05 | nvz | ChrisW: well then dont be unusual now |
| 22:43.05 | ChrisW | but i didn't here, 'cos I didn't think it'd take this long ;-) |
| 22:43.11 | cureless | SARGE_User: I don't know vsftpd but why not use sftp? |
| 22:43.16 | gImp | yeah, takatumi , this is on debian/sparc so things are a bit iffy now and then.. |
| 22:43.23 | ChrisW | I'm processing logs with awstats |
| 22:43.30 | takatumi | gImp: how are you starting X? |
| 22:43.34 | directhex | gImp, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager (or x-session-manager) |
| 22:43.41 | gImp | startx, takatumi |
| 22:43.42 | cureless | ChrisW: can't awstats resume after some processing? |
| 22:43.45 | ChrisW | it's only after it'd been going for 6hrs that I realised the log in question was 2.1GB in size ;-) |
| 22:43.53 | gImp | aha.. thanks directhex.. i'll give that a spin! |
| 22:43.53 | ChrisW | cureless: I dunno, can it? |
| 22:43.58 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
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| 22:44.06 | cureless | ChrisW: most log processors will "resume" where they left off. That way you can process logs incrementally. I don't know awstats though. |
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| 22:44.53 | SARGE_User | how do i set a password for a ftp user??? |
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| 22:45.07 | SARGE_User | on vsftpd |
| 22:45.15 | cureless | SARGE_User: it depends on the ftp daemon. Ask the vsftpd people. |
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| 22:45.30 | cureless | SARGE_User: isn't that in the docs? or google? |
| 22:45.31 | SARGE_User | where are they ? :-( |
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| 22:45.40 | Ronin | SARGE_User: www.vsftpdrocks.org |
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| 22:45.50 | SARGE_User | thx! |
| 22:45.51 | caphuso | vsftpd uses normal system users, which means passwd(1) works |
| 22:46.02 | SARGE_User | ok big thx |
| 22:46.03 | Lars_G | Question is there a reason XOrg is not in Sid yet? any pointers to installing XOrg in SID overruling XFree86? |
| 22:46.06 | Ronin | SARGE_User: its got nice easy to follow directions |
| 22:46.10 | Blissex | SARGE_User: or you can use PAM. |
| 22:46.11 | caphuso | Lars_G: yes. yes. |
| 22:46.29 | Lars_G | caphuso: What are they (the reason, and the pointers) please? |
| 22:46.32 | gImp | directhex.. that was spot on.. it's a very slow box (400MHz).. so it took a while to find out if it was going to work! Cheers, buddie! |
| 22:46.54 | Blissex | !xorg |
| 22:46.54 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 22:47.01 | caphuso | Lars_G: sorry. people to lazy to read the /topic don't deserve to get proper answer to their questions |
| 22:47.06 | Lars_G | thanks |
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| 22:47.36 | Lars_G | caphuso: Excuse me, where in the topic is anything related to my question? |
| 22:47.43 | Lars_G | The faq? |
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| 22:47.52 | Lars_G | a "check the faq" would suffice. |
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| 22:48.05 | caphuso | Lars_G: the part where it says "X.org => /msg dpkg xorg" |
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| 22:48.34 | Lars_G | Oh I missed it on the last. |
| 22:48.35 | Lars_G | thanks |
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| 22:49.21 | bwlang | i've got two heads... :0.0 and :0.1 ... i want :0.1 to have no window manager but gnome starts up on there automaticallly ( no xinerama involved two distinct heads) anybody know how to get gnome to NOT put a windowmanager on the other head? |
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| 22:50.55 | gImp | cheers, directhex :) |
| 22:50.55 | piem | bwlang: killall metacity && DISPLAY=:0.0 metacity |
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| 22:51.16 | edrx | is there a way to do the equivalent of "apt-get build-dep packagename" but using a .dsc (or control) file instead of the name of a package that is in apt's database? |
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| 22:51.22 | gImp | gnome could do with a manager switching tool.. or is that part of a conspiracy to keep people gnoming? |
| 22:51.58 | Neil3 | there is switchdesk-gui |
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| 22:52.19 | piem | edrx: just copy/paste/clean the Build-Depends line |
| 22:52.26 | gImp | ahh.. i'll have to find it.. thanks Neil3 :) |
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| 22:53.08 | bwlang | piem: well .. .that's one way to do it... but i'd rather not hose my current wm to kill the other head... |
| 22:53.17 | bwlang | piem: better to just not start it at all |
| 22:53.54 | piem | bwlang: then craft it in your startup script |
| 22:54.13 | Neil3 | no probs gImp ;) |
| 22:54.26 | bwlang | piem: i'll have a look to see if i can find where metacity get's started up... |
| 22:54.47 | bwlang | Neil3: apt-cache search does not find switchdesk-gui... in what package is that? |
| 22:55.19 | edrx | piem: that's what I've been doing, but I was hoping that there would an automated way... and when I clean the line by hand to use it in an "apt-get install" I drop the version specs... |
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| 22:56.33 | piem | edrx: not that i know of, you could write a simple script to do so, but you still have to drop the versions |
| 22:56.44 | bwlang | piem: do you know where metacity gets started? i can't seem to find anything in /etc/X11 referring to metacity (rgrep metacity *) |
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| 22:57.30 | edrx | piem: ok, thanks... |
| 22:57.38 | edrx | oi wormikky |
| 22:57.56 | piem | bwlang: you won't find metacity explicitely defined there, but you could set a DISPLAY somewhere like /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55gnome-session_gnomerc |
| 22:57.59 | wormikky | edrx, blz! |
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| 22:58.31 | bwlang | hmm - i'll try that |
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| 22:59.11 | cthulfuego | bwlang: x-session-manager starts x-window-manager |
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| 22:59.41 | cthulfuego | bwlang: update-alernatives --config x-window-manager should see you sorted. |
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| 23:00.06 | bwlang | cthulfuego: i'm not trying to switch window managers... i'm trying to get metacity to NOT start on the second head of my config... |
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| 23:01.02 | cthulfuego | bwlang: maybe a switch in the startup command in gdm.conf would do. |
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| 23:01.26 | TSGC | Can anyone help me with CD install? |
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| 23:02.44 | infodroid | TSGC: sarge or woody? |
| 23:02.49 | wormikky | edrx, tô debian-br como fike. |
| 23:02.57 | TSGC | Woody. |
| 23:03.18 | infodroid | TSGC: what's going wrong? |
| 23:03.30 | gImp | gnite guys, and thanks for the help! |
| 23:03.32 | gImp | bye! |
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| 23:03.45 | TSGC | infordriod: I'm not sure. It's not even showing the same screen as described in the installation manual. |
| 23:03.56 | cthulfuego | TSGC: Which screen? |
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| 23:04.35 | bwlang | piem: setting DISPLAY=":0.0" in 55... had no obvious effect - in fact my DISPLAY always was 0.0... i think this is the wrong path |
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| 23:04.57 | TSGC | cthulfuego: It's on a screen, it's while it's loading. It's freezing. |
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| 23:05.09 | piem | bwlang: try first with something simpler: what does DISPLAY=:0.0 xlogo gives you ? |
| 23:05.15 | cthulfuego | TSGC: Does that screen have a title? |
| 23:05.37 | TSGC | cthulfuego: No, it's loading all of the drivers. |
| 23:05.53 | bwlang | piem: that will give me an xlogo on display :0.0.... simple stuff works... i want gnome to NOT work... - i'm taking it to #gnome |
| 23:05.59 | cthulfuego | TSGC: See if you can boot with the noacpi option. |
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| 23:06.17 | piem | bwlang: oki |
| 23:06.27 | TSGC | cthulfuego: I only have CD one, also, it gives no options to input anything. |
| 23:06.46 | infodroid | bwlang: what do you want on the other head? |
| 23:07.00 | cthulfuego | TSGC: When it boots, you can choose all sorts of help screens. just boot with 'linux noacpi' |
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| 23:07.44 | TSGC | cthulfuego: You can't. Like I said, it's loading the CD itself. There is no options nor input command lines. |
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| 23:08.06 | bwlang | infodroid: nothing |
| 23:08.09 | cthulfuego | TSGC: yes, you can. I've installed debian many times, I _do_ know what I'm talking about. |
| 23:08.32 | cthulfuego | TSGC: Feel free to not even try, but also feel free to not receive help. |
| 23:08.32 | TSGC | cthulfuego: Okay, I'll be right back. Let me load the CD. |
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| 23:08.36 | bwlang | infodroid: i'll manually start a full screen vncclient sometimes... but usually nothing |
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| 23:08.38 | infodroid | bwlang: then i think you just disable xinerama in your XF86Config-4 |
| 23:08.44 | Pred1 | which pop3 server should i use, if i want mysql auth? |
| 23:09.06 | bwlang | infodroid: xinerama is disabled.... this is a distinct head |
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| 23:09.07 | infodroid | bwlang: and then in your gdm.conf you manually change the startup line for [standard] |
| 23:09.08 | Evaso | hi guys, when i change my video card on a machine there is a way to automatically fix x/x.org with the right driver? |
| 23:09.11 | cthulfuego | Pred1: I use courier. Also handy if you have many virtual domains. |
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| 23:09.23 | cureless | Pred1: I'm sure many work with mysql. courier should work and there is a bunch of docs. |
| 23:09.27 | infodroid | bwlang: so that it like -display 0:0 or 0:1 |
| 23:09.30 | PocKeT | hi all |
| 23:09.35 | infodroid | bwlang: have you tried that? |
| 23:09.48 | cthulfuego | Any and all that use pam would work with pam_mysql anyway. |
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| 23:10.18 | directhex | bah. how can i force apt-build's hand with regard to which gcc it uses? |
| 23:10.25 | bwlang | infodroid: i'm checking out gdm.conf now... to see if i have any options in there... |
| 23:10.26 | infodroid | bwlang: search in gdm.conf for [server-Standard], change the line command= |
| 23:10.33 | cthulfuego | directhex: export GCC=gcc-foo |
| 23:10.39 | PocKeT | ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. |
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| 23:10.59 | PocKeT | anybody could help me? |
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| 23:11.50 | infodroid | PocKeT: what's up |
| 23:11.54 | FieldySnuts | oh go to #mirc already |
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| 23:12.22 | Blissex | PocKeT: ask in #nvidia |
| 23:12.31 | PocKeT | hi infodroid, i'm trying to install nvidia drivers into my new sarge... |
| 23:12.34 | PocKeT | mm |
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| 23:12.40 | PocKeT | ok Blissex thanks |
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| 23:12.52 | infodroid | PocKeT: don't know much about doing that |
| 23:12.55 | infodroid | anyone? |
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| 23:13.13 | takatumi | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:13.14 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
| 23:13.15 | PerfDave | Argh, FFS! Even after removing the journal, parted can't resize my fucking partition! |
| 23:13.55 | PocKeT | infodroid, i launch: sh NVIDIA_................, and i obtain this error mesage: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. |
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| 23:14.22 | directhex | cthulfuego, found it, it's using the i386-linux-gcc symlink |
| 23:14.30 | directhex | !tell PocKeT about nvidia-installer |
| 23:14.36 | directhex | !tell PocKeT about nvidia one-liner |
| 23:14.49 | PocKeT | thx :)) |
| 23:15.03 | PerfDave | Does anybody know how I can resize a partition when I get this error from parted: No Implementation: This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout! Parted can't resize this (yet). |
| 23:15.09 | cthulfuego | !magic directhex |
| 23:15.10 | bwlang | infodroid: looks like i could get gdm to not start X on the other head... but i want X onthere - just no window manager. |
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| 23:15.49 | infodroid | bwlang: so you want X on both displays, but no WM on one of them? |
| 23:16.13 | PiErNoDoYuNa | sorry, i distupgrade my debian and kde was completly de-instaled ¿why? y try to reintall but i haven the dependencies for "kdelibs4" and"kdebin" |
| 23:16.18 | phcrack | I'm having problems with setting up the serial information for a snd_intel8x0m modem using slmodemd. Anyone have experience? |
| 23:16.21 | shingouz | on a fresh custom 2.6.10 configured with the same parameters as my previous working 2.6.9 i get: "hdc: request sense failure: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error} hdc: request sense failure: error=0x20 LastFailedSense 0x02" either on boot or when i try to mount the dvd/cd-rw. the atapi driver is statically compiled into the kernel |
| 23:16.23 | PerfDave | PiErNoDoYuNa: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:17.01 | directhex | welcome to sid, PiErNoDoYuNa |
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| 23:17.37 | bwlang | infodroid: right |
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| 23:17.44 | infodroid | bwlang |
| 23:18.09 | bwlang | yeah? |
| 23:18.21 | sunai | I'm interested in a running a debian distro from my USB stick; most projects google returned (eg LMS) speak of a 'customized' linux. Just how customized is it? |
| 23:18.32 | infodroid | bwlang: all i found was XineramaScreen=... |
| 23:18.37 | infodroid | in gdm.conf |
| 23:18.59 | PiErNoDoYuNa | panic im running debian sid |
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| 23:19.06 | bwlang | infodroid: yeah... when gdm loads there is nothing on the other head... |
| 23:19.13 | FieldySnuts | @lart PiErNoDoYuNa |
| 23:19.14 | PerfDave | PiErNoDoYuNa: Did you check the BTS? |
| 23:19.15 | PiErNoDoYuNa | i think maybe any dependency problem? |
| 23:19.31 | PerfDave | PiErNoDoYuNa: Why are you running Sid, when you can't sort out packaging problems yourself? |
| 23:19.34 | PiErNoDoYuNa | what is the bts? |
| 23:19.42 | Zap-W | /msg dpkg find ccp.h |
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| 23:19.48 | FieldySnuts | running sid and don't know what the bts is. smart. |
| 23:20.02 | PerfDave | !btssmite PiErNoDoYuNa |
| 23:20.05 | PiErNoDoYuNa | perfdave, i like some of the programs of sid |
| 23:20.10 | PerfDave | PiErNoDoYuNa: I suggest you reinstall with Sarge. |
| 23:20.20 | PiErNoDoYuNa | !btssmite |
| 23:20.21 | infodroid | bwlang: that is definitely a gnome issue, when your wm takes over from GDM |
| 23:20.27 | PerfDave | !tell PiErNoDoYuNa about sid faq |
| 23:20.36 | infodroid | bwlang: so it won't be in gdm.conf |
| 23:20.49 | PiErNoDoYuNa | i like sid, uddually runs well |
| 23:20.52 | PiErNoDoYuNa | usually |
| 23:21.10 | PerfDave | PiErNoDoYuNa: Yes, and then it breaks, and you don't know how to fix it, you don't even know where to look for solutions. |
| 23:21.25 | PiErNoDoYuNa | can i "downgrade" my debian sid or i must reinstall? |
| 23:21.26 | PerfDave | PiErNoDoYuNa: Sarge usually runs well as well, and has fewer problems |
| 23:21.29 | PerfDave | PiErNoDoYuNa: Reinstall |
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| 23:23.28 | PiErNoDoYuNa | ok thanks, tomorrow i try to reinstall my debian |
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| 23:23.48 | PerfDave | PiErNoDoYuNa: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - use the Sarge installer, READ THE INSTALLATION MANUAL |
| 23:24.02 | alexandre | hellow people |
| 23:24.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell infodroid about away |
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| 23:24.34 | alexandre | i dont speack, english, but i try, because i need yours help. |
| 23:24.45 | PerfDave | alexandre: What language do you speak? |
| 23:24.51 | alexandre | portuguese |
| 23:24.58 | PerfDave | !portugese |
| 23:24.58 | dpkg | Por favor, fale em ingles quando estiver no #Debian, assim todos poderão entender. Se você quiser usar um outro idioma, entre em #debian-rs. Para ser ajudado em portugues, use o canal #Debian-BR |
| 23:25.45 | alexandre | i from debian-br, but thet not help-me. are bads. |
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| 23:26.48 | PerfDave | alexandre: Are you using Debian, and not Kurumin? |
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| 23:28.13 | alexandre | PerDave: i using Kalango, debian-kurumin-kalango. understand? |
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| 23:28.30 | PerfDave | alexandre: If you're not using Debian proper, we can't help you here. Try asking on #kurumin? |
| 23:28.38 | PerfDave | alexandre: I don't know what Kalango is, I'm sorry. |
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| 23:29.03 | alexandre | PerfDave: kalango is Kurumin remasterize. |
| 23:29.04 | TSGC | cthulfegu? |
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| 23:29.16 | PerfDave | alexandre: Then ask on #kurumin, you're not running Debian. |
| 23:29.49 | alexandre | PerfDave: if run Kurumin or Debian, run too kalango. |
| 23:30.03 | PerfDave | alexandre: Uhm, no, I'm running Debian, not Kalango or Kurumin. |
| 23:30.33 | directhex | kalango is a kurumin-based distro |
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| 23:30.33 | directhex | it's not kurumin, and certainly not debian |
| 23:30.42 | PerfDave | directhex: There's no #kalango ;) |
| 23:30.49 | geddeth | Hi ppl - I've just made the worst mistake ever .. I accidentally ran rm -rf /* as root and wiped out my bin and etc directories over SSH. :-( |
| 23:30.57 | alexandre | PerfDave: Kalango is a debian-kanoppix-kurumin |
| 23:30.58 | directhex | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kalango |
| 23:31.07 | geddeth | Can a rescue floppy help me out? |
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| 23:31.18 | TSGC | Can anyone help me out? |
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| 23:31.30 | PerfDave | geddeth: Well, it can help you boot your system if you broke stuff it needs to boot, but you'll need to restore from backups. |
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| 23:32.02 | PerfDave | alexandre: I think you should ask on http://forum.kalangolinux.org/ |
| 23:32.04 | geddeth | as long as I can get it up again, the configuration files aren't a problem |
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| 23:32.15 | directhex | woo, gcc-3.4 -mtune=pentium-m -march=pentium-m is feasting on libc6 |
| 23:32.27 | directhex | !debian solutions |
| 23:32.27 | dpkg | debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distributions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 23:32.40 | geddeth | PerfDave: I'm just not sure how much the rescue floppy can help me restore. |
| 23:32.42 | VoX | anyone able to help me with a vncserver problem? vncserver will start and run fine, but when i run vnc4server, i just get a blank X screen with no wm. i've read the doc's and faq's and it doesnt mention anything.. any ideas? |
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| 23:33.03 | G400 | How to add multiple options to a module in /etc/modutils/actions? Should they be comma or space separated? Specific issue is with matroxfb_base. I can use add options vesa=0x117 to get a result but if I add further options, none are understood. |
| 23:33.15 | TSGC | I burned my Debian disk disk with Nero, it installed Calder DR-DOS. I have to choose the program to run... Which and how do I run it? |
| 23:33.17 | PerfDave | geddeth: It can probably make the system bootable |
| 23:33.33 | alexandre | working kalango is = working debian |
| 23:33.33 | PerfDave | geddeth: But restoring from backups is the way to go. |
| 23:33.43 | FieldySnuts | @troll alexandre |
| 23:33.46 | PerfDave | alexandre: No it isn't, otherwise it'd be called Debian, not Kalango. |
| 23:34.10 | geddeth | PerfDave: yeah .. ugh. Thanks though. |
| 23:34.16 | kentpaul | Hello, i have small question. I download debian 3.0 iso debian-30r4 and when installing i only have the option to use the ext2 filesystem. is this normal ? |
| 23:34.18 | alexandre | PerfDave: my english is over .. |
| 23:34.19 | FieldySnuts | alexandre: we kinda tried to be nice about it, but since you don't get it, go away, this is #debian and deals with strictly pure debian. |
| 23:34.40 | caphuso | kentpaul: what do you want to use? |
| 23:34.50 | kentpaul | ext3 or reiserfs |
| 23:35.09 | alexandre | ok, so, tel-me whit i can using my webcam in on debian, please. |
| 23:35.14 | caphuso | kentpaul: should both be supported when installing with the 2.4 kernel |
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| 23:35.22 | FieldySnuts | we know you're not using debian, so quit asking us |
| 23:35.29 | Xemacs_ | geddeth, if you have the debs you can get knoppix, and the do dpkg -i --root=/wherever/rootwas ................... |
| 23:35.39 | kentpaul | also, it boots on a 2.2 kernel and thats really old. why doesnt it use a more modern kernel like a 2.4 ? |
| 23:35.43 | caphuso | kentpaul: and converting ext2 to ext3 is trivial, so if everything else fails you could simply do that after the installation |
| 23:35.49 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: true |
| 23:35.49 | kentpaul | ah |
| 23:35.49 | caphuso | kentpaul: because you didn't read the install guide |
| 23:36.02 | directhex | kentpaul, is this a desktop machine? |
| 23:36.09 | kentpaul | yep |
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| 23:36.16 | EfaistOs | do u know an app to merge some mpeg files ? |
| 23:36.20 | directhex | !tell kentpaul about woody hardware support |
| 23:36.23 | directhex | !tell kentpaul about woody desktop |
| 23:36.25 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 23:36.26 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 23:36.29 | directhex | !tell kentpaul about d-i kentpaul |
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| 23:37.00 | VoX | anyone? |
| 23:37.15 | caphuso | directhex: that's not necessary |
| 23:37.17 | FieldySnuts | anyone what? |
| 23:37.25 | kentpaul | thanks :) that'll keep me busy |
| 23:37.27 | alexandre | my englihs is over ... go my dicionary ... |
| 23:37.34 | PerfDave | alexandre: Assuming it's a quickcam USB camera, "module-assistant auto-install qce-usb" will sort it all out on Debian. |
| 23:37.35 | karsten | kentpaul: Um. You're not in NC by any chance. |
| 23:37.37 | VoX | anyone able to help with my problem? |
| 23:37.39 | directhex | caphuso, i beg to differ |
| 23:37.47 | karsten | !tell VoX about repeat |
| 23:37.47 | kentpaul | NC ? |
| 23:38.02 | PerfDave | kentpaul: If you read the installation manual, you would see that 3.0r4 can boot on a 2.4 kernel. |
| 23:38.07 | geddeth | Xemacs: oh yeah .. hadn't thought of that. I might try that first .. I need to point dpkg to the partition/dir or something, right? |
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| 23:38.29 | kentpaul | chances are i didnt read the spash screen :-/ |
| 23:38.35 | karsten | VoX: Sounds as if vnc4server's not reading your X initialization / startup stuff. Read docs and find out where it specifies your X session. |
| 23:38.41 | FieldySnuts | they're talking about the INSTALL MANUAL not the splash screen |
| 23:38.47 | kentpaul | ah right |
| 23:39.03 | arango | Is there a way to set the console to 800x480. I installed debian on an OQO whose LCD native resolution is 800x480. Right now the display is shifted upwards. That is, the upper lines of the display do not show on the screen and the lower part of the screen shows nothing .... |
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| 23:39.11 | karsten | VoX: Alternatively, figure out what X display it's using, and launch: xterm -display <DISPLAY_NUMBER> |
| 23:39.13 | Xemacs_ | geddeth, worth a try , yes --root=/WhereYourOldTooWas |
| 23:39.42 | karsten | arango: X? |
| 23:39.45 | alexandre | PerfDave: ok, i try |
| 23:39.48 | thomas_adam | Or run Gnome on it.. :P |
| 23:39.54 | karsten | arango: dpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
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| 23:39.57 | alexandre | PerfDave: thank you, very much. |
| 23:39.59 | arango | karsten: not yet, this is in console mode |
| 23:40.04 | karsten | thomas_adam: Shoot a GNOME for Jesus. |
| 23:40.09 | PerfDave | alexandre: But if it doesn't work, you're on your own, because you're not running Debian. |
| 23:40.13 | thomas_adam | Heh heh heh. |
| 23:40.23 | G400 | arango: use vesafb |
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| 23:40.32 | karsten | arango: Um. 'vga=ask' in your LILO/GRUB configuration. Try different configs until you get one that works for you. |
| 23:40.42 | geddeth | Xemacs: seems I still have access to dpkg on the broken box via SSH, anything I can try right now you think? |
| 23:40.47 | arango | G400: is this for console mode ? |
| 23:40.51 | G400 | yes |
| 23:41.00 | XTF | Hi. How do I keep strace running after logout? nohup strace -p 15814 2>strace2.txt & doesn't work. |
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| 23:41.13 | thomas_adam | XTF: Use xcreen. |
| 23:41.16 | Rawplayer | XTF: run it in a screen |
| 23:41.17 | thomas_adam | s/x/s/ |
| 23:41.29 | XTF | Why doesn't it work with nohup like another app? |
| 23:41.32 | karsten | arango: ...you'll have to reboot until you find something that works. Otherwise, suggest you JFGI and look for someone who's got your hardware. |
| 23:41.42 | FieldySnuts | JFGI? |
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| 23:42.20 | AcidChild | what is the tracerout for ipv6 called? |
| 23:42.21 | arango | karsten: with vga=ask will it ask me for resolutions or some type of vesa values ? |
| 23:42.26 | AcidChild | is it not traceroute6? |
| 23:42.35 | AcidChild | i cant find it on apt-cache |
| 23:42.37 | NewpZ | hi i want to dload package mono.. it @ "http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mono/mono_1.0.5-1_i386.deb" what do i add to my sources.list so it sees all the pakages here? |
| 23:42.59 | cthulfuego | XTF: 'nohup strace -ostrace.txt foo.app' would work just fine, though. |
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| 23:43.10 | karsten | arango: You get a list of all supported VGA display modes. Select one. If you like it, you can set 'vga=<number>'. If not, try antoher. |
| 23:43.12 | NewpZ | sorry closed wrong window :) |
| 23:43.13 | cthulfuego | AcidChild: traceroute6, yes. |
| 23:43.17 | thomas_adam | XTF: backgrounding it, is your problem. |
| 23:43.31 | karsten | arango: You might also try SVGATextMode, or framebuffer, though latter messes with your X session. |
| 23:43.31 | cthulfuego | Part of iputils-tracepath |
| 23:43.48 | karsten | arango: What's OQO? |
| 23:43.53 | thomas_adam | NewpZ: You already have it -- see 'apt-setup'. |
| 23:43.53 | cthulfuego | NewpZ: Nothing, it's already there. |
| 23:43.57 | XTF | cthulfuego: I tried, but it goes away when I log out. |
| 23:44.12 | cthulfuego | XTF: screen it is, then. |
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| 23:44.18 | EfaistOs | do u know an app to merge some mpeg files ? |
| 23:44.20 | XTF | thomas_adam: But why does nohup & work with other apps but not strace? |
| 23:44.21 | FieldySnuts | use screen. do whatever, detatch the session, log out. come back, reattach. |
| 23:44.30 | FieldySnuts | eh he's not listening, screw it |
| 23:44.34 | astronut | I had an AES loopback filesystem, and it won't moutn all of a sudden |
| 23:44.39 | astronut | mount* |
| 23:44.40 | cthulfuego | XTF: Email the strace authoer and ask them. |
| 23:44.45 | stew | NewpZ: you'd have to switch to unstable, and if you have to ask you shouldn't |
| 23:44.49 | astronut | I need help to remount it |
| 23:45.02 | cthulfuego | EfaistOs: try 'transcode' |
| 23:45.11 | PerfDave | EfaistOs: kino might do it |
| 23:45.14 | arango | karsten: Its a PC the size of a PDA (www.oqo.com) |
| 23:45.15 | XTF | FieldySnuts: I'm listening, but does that mean I'm not allowed to try to find out why things (don't) work? |
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| 23:45.21 | AcidChild | thx cthulfuego |
| 23:45.28 | FieldySnuts | @lart XTF |
| 23:45.47 | karsten | arango: OK. |
| 23:46.07 | arango | karsten: What is SVGATextMode and framebuffer ? |
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| 23:46.20 | G400 | arango:actually, it looks like vesafb only supports standard VESA modes not 800x480... Sorry |
| 23:47.11 | karsten | arango: SVGATextMode is a program that changes console resolution on the fly. framebuffer is an alternate video driver that tends to allow high-resolution console. Knoppix uses it, as do other bootable distros. |
| 23:47.19 | astronut | I need help to remount it+ |
| 23:47.24 | karsten | !tell arango about framebuffer |
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| 23:48.53 | arango | karsten: Does vga=ask allow 800x480 ? |
| 23:49.19 | uGexe | i cannot find how to set the volume of alsamixer from the terminal.. anyone know? |
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| 23:49.59 | piem | uGexe: what exactly are you missing? alsamixer should let you do so. |
| 23:50.28 | NewpZ | stew: actully this box had unstable before.. but the hard drive crashed.. i know before i could pass apt-get unstable and grab from ther... but i set that up over a year ago :) .. can ya refrsh my mem? |
| 23:50.52 | NewpZ | err actully i know what do in sources.list |
| 23:51.02 | uGexe | peim: alsamixer -help doesn't list the command to do it, and I havnt found it in the docs either |
| 23:51.30 | piem | uGexe: try 'man alsamixer', but it should be quite simple really: |
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| 23:51.43 | directhex | !tell NewpZ about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 23:52.21 | piem | uGexe: you can use the left and right arrows to move from one channel to the other, and up and down to slide the faders. |
| 23:52.31 | karsten | arango: Sorry, dropped out for a minute. |
| 23:52.45 | NewpZ | directhex, thanks dude.. thats what i had before :) |
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| 23:53.03 | astronut | Can anyone help me? I think my AES loopback did something weird, it won't mount... |
| 23:53.15 | arango | karsten: no problem, thanks for helping |
| 23:53.23 | dvs | uGexe: More importantly, "m" will mute and unmute your channels |
| 23:53.34 | FieldySnuts | hint: alsa is muted by default |
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| 23:53.46 | FieldySnuts | be sure to do an alsactl store afterwards, too |
| 23:53.49 | arango | karsten: Is it possible to have framebuffer for console and the card's native driver for X ? |
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| 23:53.57 | stew | uGexe: if you are looking for a command line mixer you want amixer not alsamixer |
| 23:54.05 | karsten | arango: AFAIU, no. |
| 23:54.10 | dvs | stew: alsamixer is a console one |
| 23:54.12 | bucky | @lart FieldySnuts |
| 23:54.12 | piem | woo. Too much information guys ! |
| 23:54.28 | FieldySnuts | ow |
| 23:54.37 | stew | dvs: yes, but from his original comment it sounded like maybe he wanted a command line one (like a scriptable one) |
| 23:54.39 | piem | give him time, he must be trying now |
| 23:54.40 | dvs | piem: No, unmuting the channels is the most common problem |
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| 23:54.52 | dvs | stew: oh ok |
| 23:55.08 | piem | dvs: you seem to know that by heart, are you on #arrogance too ? |
| 23:55.24 | dvs | piem: I wrote the book. |
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| 23:55.34 | FieldySnuts | @troll piem |
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| 23:56.21 | piem | s/if/he/ |
| 23:56.23 | sussudio | !kill piem |
| 23:56.29 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:56.39 | sussudio | !smite piem |
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| 23:56.48 | FieldySnuts | evil |
| 23:57.05 | PerfDave | Delph: Septicaemia? |
| 23:57.10 | PerfDave | Delph: Tetanus? |
| 23:57.27 | Delph | PerfDave: still doesn't cover all cases |
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| 23:57.31 | sussudio | snake? |
| 23:57.36 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:57.37 | Delph | !highly-likely-death piem, maybe |
| 23:57.42 | arango | karsten: but framebuffer works fine with X right ? |
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| 23:57.46 | astronut | Can anyone help me? I think my AES loopback did something weird, it won't mount... |
| 23:57.50 | thumbs | i want to create a simple backup of a small partition on another partition, including the mbr and everything. is there a simple way to accomplish this? |
| 23:58.06 | piem | no seriously, i think we can do far better than giving 10 different answers to a simple question in 30 seconds. |
| 23:58.07 | astronut | thumbs: dd |
| 23:58.08 | caphuso | thumbs: cp /dev/blah /some/where/imagefile |
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| 23:58.32 | PerfDave | thumbs: partitions don't have mbrs ;) |
| 23:58.32 | thumbs | yes, ive dded before and it didnt include the mbr, |
| 23:58.33 | caphuso | piem: you completely fail to understand how IRC works |
| 23:58.37 | Delph | piem: patently the question was too simple. |
| 23:59.01 | caphuso | there is no central instance which tells who gets to answer a question |
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| 23:59.04 | piem | Delph, caphuso: then the channel fails to fullfill its task |
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| 23:59.08 | PerfDave | thumbs: If you dd a disk device rather than a partition, it should include the MBR |
| 23:59.11 | astronut | thumbs: it should...check the command line? |
| 23:59.19 | caphuso | piem: ok. stop trolling. last warning |
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| 23:59.46 | thumbs | i have a small install on one partition, and want to save it to another, so that if i dded it back, the box would still boot.. |
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