| 00:00.04 | gboutwell | guestish: It's a VM debian sarge install. And it's worked until real recently. I've done some upgrades, so the only thing I can figure is I've gotten a bumb install as it worked with 3.3.4 |
| 00:00.05 | omry | when a process turns into zombie (defunct), it means the parent will not collect it, right? so to get rid of it I need to get rid of the parent. but what if the parent is init (pid = 1) ? |
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| 00:00.12 | guestish | gboutwell: ... |
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| 00:00.31 | guestish | gboutwell: well you can try doing apt-get --reinstall install gcc-3.3 |
| 00:00.48 | guestish | gboutwell: but in any case i am not a fan of windows linux installs |
| 00:01.02 | gboutwell | guestish: I've done that no difference, I've gone apt-get --reinstall install gcc-3.3 cpp-3.3 build-essentials |
| 00:01.15 | guestish | gboutwell: have you dont apt-get clean before reinstalling? |
| 00:01.19 | guestish | gboutwell: done* |
| 00:01.20 | gboutwell | And just about any others I can think of |
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| 00:01.30 | guestish | gboutwell: reinstalling from the same package over and over wont do anything |
| 00:01.32 | gboutwell | guestish: Yep, apt-get clean multiple times |
| 00:01.49 | guestish | gboutwell: probably just a VM bug |
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| 00:01.55 | gboutwell | It's pulled down a 'new' package each time. |
| 00:02.00 | ijurisic | hello |
| 00:02.00 | doub | omry: zombie processes don't use ressources. they're just an entry in the process table, containing their return value |
| 00:02.05 | guestish | gboutwell: try a different repository |
| 00:02.11 | ijurisic | please help with adftpd |
| 00:02.16 | bwalls | how do i delete the vesafb module running in my kernel? |
| 00:02.16 | hackeron | any ideas what it can be when I run nautilus or totem and they will just hang and not start? |
| 00:02.23 | ijurisic | I try uplad on tftp server file |
| 00:02.27 | gboutwell | guestish: Another of the same VM users has an debian sarge install and doesn't have an issue. Don't think it's the VM |
| 00:02.28 | doub | omry: you can try restarting init ('telinit q') |
| 00:02.38 | guestish | gboutwell: try a different repository |
| 00:02.41 | ijurisic | But I have error "Access violation" |
| 00:02.50 | strubbel | bwalls: modprobe -r <modulename> |
| 00:02.50 | bwalls | anyone, PLEASE? |
| 00:02.57 | omry | doub, my zombie is vmware. since its think its running, it wont start another instance. |
| 00:03.00 | bwalls | ook |
| 00:03.02 | bwalls | thankyou |
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| 00:03.39 | ijurisic | I set chmod 777 on dir /tftp , but my tftp client have error "access violation" |
| 00:03.45 | strubbel | bwalls: make sure the module isn't used by some process |
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| 00:03.52 | ijurisic | please...help |
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| 00:04.08 | gboutwell | guestish: Thanks for the help/suggestions. I'll give the different repository a try and come back after I've eaten. |
| 00:04.23 | gnuttela | hi |
| 00:04.25 | matteJ | Hello everybody! I use Debian sarge, but I don't want to use Xfree, I will use Xorg insteed, any tip how? |
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| 00:04.31 | gnuttela | any german here? |
| 00:04.35 | strubbel | bwalls: sometimes removing a stack of modules fails for some reason, then try to remove modules from top down |
| 00:04.36 | ijurisic | what is problem with adftpd? but when I set manual file in /tftp and I try get file all is ok. |
| 00:04.48 | SiliconViper | !tell matteJ about xorg |
| 00:04.51 | dvs | matteJ: /topic |
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| 00:05.00 | strubbel | s/remove/removing/ |
| 00:05.06 | gnuttela | why iam in #debian.de banned? |
| 00:05.06 | omry | doub, telinit q did not seem to work (according to the man page, it just reloads inittab) |
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| 00:05.17 | SiliconViper | matteJ, hope that helps. |
| 00:05.22 | omry | doub, any other suggestions? what will happen if I kill init? |
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| 00:05.52 | matteJ | SiliconViper, cool system ;) |
| 00:05.56 | bobbyd | hiw do I install gtk 1.2.0? |
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| 00:06.05 | matteJ | !tell matteJ get xorg |
| 00:06.17 | dvs | !wayttd bobbyd |
| 00:06.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bobbyd? |
| 00:06.19 | bobbyd | I see lots of gtk packages, but none look like the actual libs |
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| 00:06.20 | SiliconViper | matteJ, you can also use /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 00:06.28 | gnuttela | hi, i have a root with debian 3.1, now i will update the root, but die command apt-get update / upgrade don't get |
| 00:06.28 | matteJ | SiliconViper, thanks |
| 00:06.33 | directhex | !wayttd bobbyd |
| 00:06.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bobbyd? |
| 00:06.37 | SiliconViper | matteJ, always glad to help. |
| 00:06.54 | bobbyd | dvs, sorry, I'm trying to compile xmmd and it's complaining that I don't have GTK >= 1.2.0 |
| 00:06.56 | doub | omry: from manpage, 'telinit u' |
| 00:07.06 | dvs | !find libgtk sid |
| 00:07.08 | matteJ | SiliconViper, running Xorg yourself? |
| 00:07.08 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libgtk' (15 shown; 98 total): libgtk+2.0-directfb-udeb-dev ;; libgtk-canvas1 ;; libgtk-canvas1-dev ;; libgtk-cil ;; libgtk-imlib-perl ;; libgtk-perl ;; libgtk-pixbuf-perl ;; libgtk-ruby1.6 ;; libgtk-trayicon-ruby ;; libgtk-trayicon-ruby1.8 ;; libgtk0-java ;; libgtk0-jni ;; libgtk1.2 ;; libgtk1.2-common ;; libgtk1.2-dbg. |
| 00:07.21 | doub | omry: i bet if you kill init by hand all processes will be killed |
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| 00:07.23 | SiliconViper | bobbyd, whatcha compiling xmms for, just curious. |
| 00:07.24 | directhex | bob2, when compiling, you need dev packages. try libgtk1.2-dev or something |
| 00:07.29 | ijurisic | ss |
| 00:07.30 | omry | doub, right.. I missed it. |
| 00:07.32 | ijurisic | hm |
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| 00:07.45 | omry | doub, well, I`ll try it next time I want to reboot :) |
| 00:07.46 | bobbyd | SiliconViper, xmmsd not xmms :) |
| 00:07.48 | directhex | bobbyd, when compiling, you need dev packages. try libgtk1.2-dev or something |
| 00:07.54 | SiliconViper | bobbyd, ah, my bad. |
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| 00:08.11 | bobbyd | directhex, thanks |
| 00:08.51 | gnuttela | can any german querry me please? |
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| 00:09.02 | dvs | gnuttela: #debian-de |
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| 00:09.46 | omry | doub, still no luck. thats one persistant zombie. (telinit u) |
| 00:09.47 | gnuttela | this channel is enemy |
| 00:10.23 | guestish | gnuttela: excuse me? |
| 00:10.33 | doub | omry: what's the problem exactly ? |
| 00:11.11 | omry | vmware wont start. it claims another instance is running. the instance is a zombie. |
| 00:11.20 | guestish | gnuttela: do not private message me |
| 00:11.25 | omry | doub, and the parent of that zombie is init. |
| 00:11.27 | gnuttela | ok |
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| 00:11.33 | bobbyd | whenever I run apt-get intall, it sets up what I've asked for, then it tried to get the data for quake2 that I decided to install ages ago and now I dont want it. how do I stop it doing that? |
| 00:11.37 | darxeth | i've installed john the ripper (cd src -> make -> make SYSTEM) it installed the binary file (john) to ~/run directory, but how can i now run it? or maybe i should copy it to /sbin ? |
| 00:11.58 | guestish | thanks |
| 00:12.01 | jetscreamer | bobbyd, best way might be to let it finish, the apt-get remove --purge it |
| 00:12.17 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: just apt-get install john; |
| 00:12.18 | gnuttela | guestish: can you tell me with what command i my debian update? |
| 00:12.26 | daft_ | I have trouble with the freeswan module source it resolts in a error |
| 00:12.27 | guestish | gnuttela: apt-get update; apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 00:12.34 | bobbyd | jetscreamer, but the data is *big* and I don't want to download it :( |
| 00:12.45 | gnuttela | thanks |
| 00:12.48 | gnuttela | :D |
| 00:13.02 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : is every damn software for linux out there installed by apt-get install ?! :> |
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| 00:13.16 | dvs | darxeth: No, just Debian |
| 00:13.16 | dgc | darxeth: pretty much |
| 00:13.30 | darxeth | heh cool |
| 00:13.40 | doub | omry: what does '/proc/[process id]/stat' says ? |
| 00:13.41 | guestish | np |
| 00:13.43 | lakcaj | Hi. I just received a "vga to tv" cable that I ordered. Here is a link: |
| 00:13.44 | lakcaj | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41999&item=6741514854&rd=1 |
| 00:13.58 | darxeth | but sometimes you'll have to install a program offline, then there would be no apt-get install at all |
| 00:13.58 | daft_ | oO |
| 00:14.04 | lakcaj | However, when I plug it in (just using the RCA portion), my TV just goes black and wavy. |
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| 00:14.08 | sussudio | lakcaj: why are you pasting that shit in here? |
| 00:14.26 | daft_ | sussudio: spam |
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| 00:14.29 | sussudio | lakcaj: how does this have anything to do with debian? |
| 00:14.36 | strubbel | are the source ports for outgoing tcp connections assigned by the kernel or does the app select one? |
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| 00:15.02 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: then you have a cd with the .deb on it or similar. |
| 00:15.06 | dgc | strubbel: depends on the app; most let the kernel's stack choose |
| 00:15.26 | omry | doub, catting it, I get something that starts with : 30337 (vmware-vmx) Z 1 21870 21870 0 |
| 00:15.26 | guestish | lakcaj: your video card has to support tv out |
| 00:15.39 | omry | doub, the Z is for zombie, I suppose. |
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| 00:17.20 | doub | omry: yes. that's pretty strange... i bet the easiest solution is to reboot, then |
| 00:17.27 | strubbel | dgc: the kernel takes care of interleaving ports, thats his job, right? |
| 00:17.33 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : ok there's john an executable file on the run directory. how can i run it now? |
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| 00:18.01 | omry | doub, yeah.. that, or trying to nuke init and see what happens :) |
| 00:18.05 | dgc | strubbel: not sure what you mean by "interleaving", but yes |
| 00:18.15 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : i tried clicking on it from the browser but it didnt open |
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| 00:18.55 | strubbel | dgc: i meant conflicts of two identical source ports. |
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| 00:19.06 | doub | omry: as per default unix signal processing, all processes will be killed, so kernel would reboot |
| 00:19.07 | dgc | strubbel: oh. yes. |
| 00:19.21 | omry | doub, I tried to wait on that process, but it claimed its not a child of this shell. |
| 00:19.24 | doub | omry: but maybe init handles it differently |
| 00:19.33 | guestish | lakcaj: it says right in the description |
| 00:19.38 | omry | doub, if only I could collect this damned zombie myself.. |
| 00:19.40 | dondelelcaro | ok, the ask question and /quit is anoying |
| 00:19.48 | doub | omry: only the father can |
| 00:20.00 | guestish | lakcaj: really a pointless cable, cause most cards that support tv out have a svga jack |
| 00:20.14 | omry | doub, are you sure? |
| 00:20.19 | guestish | lakcaj: i suppose there are exceptions |
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| 00:20.40 | lakcaj | sussudio, well... I would like to get it working with debian... so that's what it has to do with debian. |
| 00:20.40 | omry | doub, I know that at least if the father exited without collecting, init will collect. |
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| 00:21.04 | lakcaj | guestish, ok... I was hoping that the cable would do the work for me, and that the laptop would just think it was an external monitor. |
| 00:21.12 | doub | omry: which it did not, actually |
| 00:21.20 | doub | omry: i'm not quite sh |
| 00:21.20 | guestish | lakcaj: nope, read the item describtion |
| 00:21.27 | guestish | lakcaj: nope, read the item description* |
| 00:21.28 | lakcaj | guestish: shit :) Ok... thanks. |
| 00:21.29 | strubbel | dgc: does any good app claim a very high source port (>30000), like ssh does with ports >=1020? |
| 00:21.29 | omry | doub, because it is the parent, and its still alive. |
| 00:21.31 | guestish | lakcaj: np |
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| 00:21.34 | doub | omry: .. shure about the wait thing, but that would make sense |
| 00:21.49 | guestish | lakcaj: meh, a cheap mistake to make :) |
| 00:21.49 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : sorry i got disconnected, did you say something? |
| 00:21.50 | omry | doub, init collects only when the parent is no longer running. |
| 00:21.56 | lakcaj | guestish, :) |
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| 00:22.04 | omry | doub, since init is also the parent, we have a situation :) |
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| 00:22.23 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: you open a term, and then run the problem from within the term. |
| 00:22.23 | doub | omry: that's what i think, too :) |
| 00:22.40 | dgc | strubbel: ports below 1024 are reserved for priveleged apps; like services (ssh, http, etc.) |
| 00:22.58 | dgc | strubbel: so outgoing source ports will almost always be >1024 |
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| 00:23.24 | dgc | strubbel: and often in the 20k range |
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| 00:23.31 | darxeth | damn :S |
| 00:23.31 | omry | doub, so why is that lazy init wont collect my zombie.. thats the big question. |
| 00:23.49 | Rebecca___ | is one of these debian testing? and if so, which one? 3.0_r1 3.0_r2 3.0_rev0 3.0_rev1 current ?? |
| 00:23.51 | omry | doub, as its parent, not as init. |
| 00:23.52 | guestish | no one likes a zombied process |
| 00:23.58 | guestish | Rebecca___: nope |
| 00:24.19 | guestish | Rebecca: all are revisions of woody :) |
| 00:24.29 | Rebecca___ | guestish: ahhhh |
| 00:24.35 | dgc | doub: if you kill it's parent, then it should be inherited by init and reaped |
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| 00:25.00 | Rebecca___ | guestish: what about: potato or jigdo? |
| 00:25.15 | guestish | Rebecca___: potato is ancient, and jigdo is a system to retrieve cd images |
| 00:25.24 | dvs | Rebecca: potato is an old release and jigdo is a method to download it |
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| 00:25.55 | strubbel | dgc: oh, sorry the ssh port number was wrong, but afaik ssh takes sports from 1023 down to 513. |
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| 00:26.35 | guestish | !sarge installer |
| 00:26.39 | m0rbid | wheres a good games for linux site? |
| 00:26.40 | guestish | hrm |
| 00:26.42 | guestish | !games |
| 00:26.43 | dpkg | it has been said that games is Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, quake, xevil, bzflag or the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program, or http://www.uniball-central.com, or #gametome for newer games. WikiWikiWeb:LinuxGames |
| 00:26.44 | m0rbid | that I can actually see screenshots |
| 00:26.46 | directhex | !d-i |
| 00:26.46 | lakcaj | brb |
| 00:26.46 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 00:26.50 | guestish | thats the one |
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| 00:27.12 | directhex | m0rbid, linux-gamers.net ? |
| 00:27.14 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : can you tell me how to run an executicble file? |
| 00:27.18 | directhex | m0rbid, what are you after? |
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| 00:27.31 | darxeth | or anyone |
| 00:27.35 | distempr | How do I check wtf my hd's doing? ie, what active filehandle is being read/written to? |
| 00:27.35 | m0rbid | directhex: stuff like mahjongg, poker and solitare games... |
| 00:28.10 | darxeth | distempr, : you should check the top 50 programs in www.astalavista.com |
| 00:28.22 | strubbel | dgc: sorry again, that was wrong theory, just checked it, ssh doesn't |
| 00:28.24 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: if it's in your path, you just open up a term and run it. |
| 00:28.26 | m0rbid | directhex: I only have a 233 processor, and 100mb ram, so I cant play anything else. |
| 00:28.28 | darxeth | its a great site, you can benifit from it alot |
| 00:28.39 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: if you installed it using apt-get, Debian stuck it into your path. |
| 00:28.41 | mosty | distempr, lsof |
| 00:28.42 | directhex | m0rbid, apt-cache search mahjongg |
| 00:28.42 | distempr | darxeth: :o meh... there's a gpl way I'm sure. |
| 00:28.44 | dondelelcaro | distempr: lsof, fuser. |
| 00:28.58 | distempr | mosty: lsof returns a billion results :x |
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| 00:29.10 | distempr | dondelelcaro: fuser? nice, never heard, I'll try it. |
| 00:29.16 | dondelelcaro | distempr: that's why you man lsof; and see that you can trivially restrict it to a single filesystem |
| 00:29.20 | mosty | distempr, perhaps that's why your drive is chugging |
| 00:29.22 | dgc | strubbel: yeah, I was going to say; you can see active connections with lsof -i |
| 00:29.27 | Laney | can i check my hdd's read/write access times? |
| 00:29.43 | distempr | dondelelcaro: ahh, gotcha will certainly man it :) |
| 00:29.57 | darxeth | distempr, : all the programs in the top 50 are more like the best for linux, like ethereal, nessus, snort, and so on... maybe there you'd find the program you're searching for, and also gpl |
| 00:30.00 | distempr | mosty: heh possibly :) I think it's the mass amount of errors being written to the logs. |
| 00:30.27 | distempr | I thought astalavista was all about cracks... |
| 00:30.32 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : i've fineshed installing it, i got the john executible file in the run directory, i type john, but it tells me command not found... |
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| 00:31.20 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: it's in /usr/sbin/john, so you'll have to have /usr/sbin in your path or type /usr/sbin/john |
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| 00:31.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell darxeth about debian reference |
| 00:31.41 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: this sort of basic question is covered in the Debian reference |
| 00:31.46 | Rebecca___ | is there a reason im having a hard time finding cd isos of debian testing? |
| 00:31.59 | dondelelcaro | Rebecca___: they exist, but they're basically totally pointless. |
| 00:32.04 | guestish | Rebecca: ya |
| 00:32.06 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : like how to put a specific file/program in my path? |
| 00:32.09 | nicedreams | Can someone direct me to a good website that helps me understand the 2.6 kernel and how to understand modules with 2.6 for debian? |
| 00:32.26 | guestish | nicedreams: developing or what? |
| 00:32.38 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: no, as in, how to change your path so that the program is in it. |
| 00:32.40 | guestish | Rebecca___: you gotta go to the debian website, lol |
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| 00:33.15 | nicedreams | guestish, i'm trying to remove agpgart and add nvagp and i'm using kernel 2.6.10 |
| 00:33.15 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: and more importantly, how to figure out where the program was installed to when dpkg installed the .deb |
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| 00:33.16 | dondelelcaro | WTF you're running a password ripper without understanding this sort of basic thing is beyond me, though |
| 00:33.16 | guestish | nicedreams: gotta recompile the kernel w/o the modules, or just delete the file agpgart.ko |
| 00:33.21 | nicedreams | guestish, and I'm getting way confused because there is a kernel 2.4 way and a 2.6 way |
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| 00:33.41 | guestish | nicedreams: beats me |
| 00:33.45 | shingoki | will the horrible nvidia breakage be fixed any time soon? |
| 00:33.48 | nicedreams | guestish, i'm trying to blacklist it...wouldn't that do it? |
| 00:33.54 | nicedreams | shingoki, no shit |
| 00:34.02 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : allright, thanks |
| 00:34.05 | guestish | nicedreams: like i said, beats me |
| 00:34.08 | nicedreams | i can't even have the nvidia drivers installed on my box without it hard locking |
| 00:34.10 | shingoki | nicedreams, is that a yes or a no? |
| 00:34.11 | nicedreams | i'm trying to fix that |
| 00:34.19 | guestish | nicedreams: check the NVIDIA docs |
| 00:34.21 | nicedreams | shingoki, it's an I WISH and HOPE SOOOOOON |
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| 00:34.37 | nicedreams | guestish, the docs don't tell you how to modify linux, just what to do |
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| 00:34.42 | shingoki | seems like it is really easy to fix, except that the debs aren't there any more |
| 00:34.48 | guestish | nicedreams: they do when it comes to agpgart :) |
| 00:34.51 | nicedreams | arg...this is pissing me off that I can't even play games in linux with my nvidia card |
| 00:35.00 | nicedreams | guestish, i'll look again then... thx |
| 00:35.06 | guestish | nicedreams: i know they do cause i've done it :) |
| 00:35.10 | nicedreams | k |
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| 00:35.29 | vulture | nvidia-kernel-source works for me, every time |
| 00:35.33 | vulture | for the last 3 years or so in fact |
| 00:35.41 | guestish | da |
| 00:35.45 | calmar | hi all. why is mplayer not included really in debian? because of the M$ codecs or so? Where is it non-free? |
| 00:35.48 | nicedreams | vulture, and you can play opengl games without a hard lock? |
| 00:35.53 | guestish | !mplayer license |
| 00:35.53 | dpkg | somebody said mplayer license was Many parts of MPlayer are covered by various software patents, which make it difficult for Debian to distribute MPlayer packages. Instead, grab debs from <marillat> or <rarewares>, or build them yourself. |
| 00:35.55 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : there's alot of contents in the debian reference webpage, in what tab should i look? |
| 00:36.00 | vulture | nicedreams: sure. Haven't done so for a few months though.. |
| 00:36.03 | mosty | calmar: just use the marillat apt source |
| 00:36.10 | vulture | so perhaps the latest ones I've built could cause such a failure, but I doubt it |
| 00:36.17 | nicedreams | vulture, i'm going to try that first then |
| 00:36.18 | strubbel | dgc: i just read my ssh client iptables configuration and was like f**k! |
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| 00:36.20 | guestish | vulture: na, im using it |
| 00:36.25 | nicedreams | been 3 months and same problem |
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| 00:36.34 | nicedreams | guestish, your using it and it locks? |
| 00:36.40 | guestish | nicedreams: nope :) |
| 00:36.43 | nicedreams | cool |
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| 00:36.46 | calmar | I see, thanks guestish |
| 00:36.47 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: you should read the entire thing. |
| 00:36.49 | dgc | strubbel: it can't be that bad... |
| 00:36.49 | guestish | no locking |
| 00:36.50 | Eno_ | i printed a huge emacs buffer, and noticed it thinks my printer paper is longer then it really is... so it prints "one page" over about 1 and 1/10 pieces of paper, it is a huge waste of paper... anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 00:37.08 | guestish | calmar: hum |
| 00:37.11 | dondelelcaro | Eno_: you've probably got A4 paper selected instead of letter |
| 00:37.11 | guestish | calmar: np |
| 00:37.15 | nicedreams | brb if this doesn't work |
| 00:37.16 | guestish | !tell calmar about marillat |
| 00:37.17 | dgc | strubbel: you just look for SYN on 22 |
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| 00:37.30 | jasz | ladies |
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| 00:37.41 | strubbel | strubbel: oh, do you think :) |
| 00:37.41 | strubbel | f**k |
| 00:37.55 | strubbel | dgc: s/strubbel/dgc/ |
| 00:38.02 | Eno_ | dondelelcaro: i had Letter before, but i went in the cups web config and changed it to A4 but it did the same thing... i don't have to restart cups do i? |
| 00:38.09 | shingoki | how can a bug that stops the most popular supported 3D card in linux from working, hang around since August 24th last year? |
| 00:38.13 | shingoki | is that not a bit pathetic? |
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| 00:38.26 | kobs | Anyone know where I could get the 'pretty' debian MOTD? It has a red debian logo in ascii..etc.. ;) |
| 00:38.27 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : i will of course, but i dont have the time for extensive reading atm, in fact, not even in this month! (studying...) |
| 00:38.34 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: do you want to be slightly more specific about what you're actually talking about? |
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| 00:39.16 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, no nvidia packages for sarge, because they are oh-so-slightly broken |
| 00:39.22 | shingoki | and no one seems to want to fix them? |
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| 00:39.44 | caphuso | shingoki: it's kinda hard to fix a binary-only module... |
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| 00:40.12 | shingoki | caphuso, I'm sure that is what is leading to the problem, politics, but it seems like there are about 10 workarounds |
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| 00:40.19 | shingoki | if the problem even is in the nvidia code |
| 00:40.37 | Aaton | humm... wonder what broke in php4 since I just apt-get upgraded... Warning: preg_match: internal pcre_fullinfo() error -3 |
| 00:40.38 | ScatterBrain | Anyone know when openswan will be back in Sarge? |
| 00:40.41 | caphuso | shingoki: well, pay someone to do that work |
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| 00:40.53 | caphuso | or do it yourself |
| 00:40.54 | shingouz | on 2.6.9 i get my system up nicely but 2.6.10 hangs on boot at Uniform CD-ROM Driver revision 3.20. the problem seems to be that the kernel enables DMA for the cdrom and as the computer has extremely long (unreplaceable) ide cables i get timeouts on the idebus. any way to disable the DMA from the beginning, hdparm kicks in too late for the system in question? |
| 00:40.56 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: if someone actually were to hand someone the code and the specs, it probably would be fixed by now... of course, no one has them. |
| 00:41.08 | shingoki | thats just an excuse though |
| 00:41.10 | guestish | shingoki: just use 2.6.9 |
| 00:41.12 | strubbel | dgc: i'll go to bed, good night |
| 00:41.12 | caphuso | shingoki: no, it's not |
| 00:41.24 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: it's reality. Call it what you will. |
| 00:41.27 | shingoki | I mean it would be lovely to have nvidia code, but it doesn't mean that its logicaly to flounce off and not fix it |
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| 00:41.35 | shingoki | does no one use debian for 3D work? |
| 00:42.08 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: no, it means that no one can figure out what the problem is without the code... you'll notice that the nvidia driver isn't even *in* Debian. |
| 00:42.10 | Delph | shingoki: what are you talking about? |
| 00:42.15 | mosty | shingoki, if you need to do 3D work, you could buy a commercial X server with support for the card |
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| 00:42.25 | shingoki | gah, sorry I asked |
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| 00:43.00 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: you didn't really ask... you basically assumed that volunteers were going to come out of the woodwork to fix your problem. Unfortunatly, that's not really the way things work... |
| 00:43.04 | daft_ | I cant get the freeswan module in my kernel it ends with a error after make-kpkg modules_image |
| 00:43.20 | dondelelcaro | daft_: use the paster bot to paste the error. |
| 00:43.21 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 00:43.21 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 00:43.21 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, I just asked if it might be fixed some time within say a year or two |
| 00:43.37 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, just seems like a major major thing |
| 00:43.41 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: it will if you fix it... you haven't even told us what the problem is... |
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| 00:43.56 | guestish | whats wrong with #flood? |
| 00:44.00 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2005/01/msg00136.html |
| 00:44.08 | dondelelcaro | guestish: nothing |
| 00:44.08 | m0rbid | gngeo - the NeoGeo emulator, does it come with games, if not, where do I get the roms from? |
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| 00:44.36 | Delph | m0rbid: you buy a legal copy of the game, then attend the shrine of google. |
| 00:44.37 | char0x30 | If I compiled iptables to /usr/local, what do I need to do to make sure that the libs in /usr/local/lib/iptables get used on boot and not the ones in /lib/iptables ? |
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| 00:45.29 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: have you even read the bug report in question? |
| 00:45.31 | daft_ | donderlelcaro i tryed some thing else so its compiling now |
| 00:45.45 | peter____ | Hello |
| 00:45.53 | _ijurisic | Hello,I have litle problem with nvidia driver for 64bit amd,When I start startx,I have error "(WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia" |
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| 00:46.04 | _ijurisic | what is problem with nvidia driver? |
| 00:46.13 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, yes, all the way through. It seems things could be fixed by adding module to auto load, or creating some nodes, or another method I can't remember |
| 00:46.19 | ScatterBrain | Anyone know when openswan will be back in Sarge? |
| 00:46.20 | peter____ | I have a problem with 'startx', XIO fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X Server , what could it be? |
| 00:46.36 | mosty | _ijurisic, it's closed source, is essentially the problem. |
| 00:46.40 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, with the biggest problem being - someone somewhere might install nvidia module without wanting to use it, and it might then be inconvenient |
| 00:46.48 | matt_ | Quick question .... when we boot our debian box we get a bunch of USB errors and it floods our screen. It seems some kernel modules are missing. We also get "this file is older than that file" when it comes to modules .... thats because we ran ntpdate to synch teh clock after the system was last updated. Does anyone know an easy way to fix these issues? |
| 00:47.09 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, but despite this, not only is the bug not fixed, but the packages aren't there for me to install and fix the bug myself |
| 00:47.12 | antonio_ | i have problem with sound ; soundblaster is not detect |
| 00:47.13 | _ijurisic | mosty: hm...but I have module in memory |
| 00:47.22 | guestish | matt_: can you replace the kernel with either a stock or custom kernel? |
| 00:47.32 | guestish | matt_: that would be the easiest... |
| 00:47.34 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: the packages exist, they're not in testing though. |
| 00:47.39 | dondelelcaro | !info nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:47.41 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.6629+1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1211 kB, Installed size: 1248 kB |
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| 00:47.47 | ijurisic | nvidia 4050332 0 |
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| 00:47.48 | mosty | matt: you could do something like find /foo/bar -type f -exec touch '{}' ';' maybe |
| 00:47.50 | matt_ | geustish: we did ... we did apt-get install and then the latest kernel and kernel header files |
| 00:48.04 | nexo | in the 2.6.10 xconfig i didnt see anything for smp... do they not include that anymore or did i overlook it |
| 00:48.05 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, is there a way for me to get the appropriate packages for sarge though? |
| 00:48.07 | guestish | matt_: so the kernel is up to date? |
| 00:48.08 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: packages with RC bugs that don't get fixed in a reasonable amount of time get removed from testing if they're not Essential: yes |
| 00:48.10 | matt_ | yes |
| 00:48.12 | guestish | matt_: try installing hotplug |
| 00:48.14 | mosty | nexo, you overlooked it |
| 00:48.18 | ijurisic | dondelelcaro: I use 64bit nvidia |
| 00:48.21 | matt_ | and what does hotplug do? |
| 00:48.25 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: that is the only package, and the package that was actually in sarge. |
| 00:48.27 | guestish | matt_: autoloads modules on demand |
| 00:48.29 | dondelelcaro | ijurisic: ? |
| 00:48.31 | guestish | matt_: great for usb |
| 00:48.41 | guestish | !tell matt_ about hotplug |
| 00:48.42 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, so is that it, debian will never support nvidia again? |
| 00:48.44 | matt_ | ah .... but we dont really need anything usb .. in fact, we could turn it off |
| 00:48.45 | ijurisic | dondelelcaro: Linux destructor 2.6.10-grsec #1 Mon Mar 7 00:09:43 CET 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:48.53 | matt_ | is there a debian equivelent to usbd_enable="NO" |
| 00:48.59 | matt_ | just ignore all usb stuff? |
| 00:49.00 | guestish | matt_: well it detects PCI and most anything else too |
| 00:49.10 | guestish | matt_: AGP, IDE, etc |
| 00:49.13 | matt_ | ah ... ok, so for production mail server you would recommend it? It wont make the system any less secure? |
| 00:49.17 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: you're not understanding how these things work... someone (the maintainer typically) fixes the bug. The maintainer (or another DD) uploads a fix for the bug. |
| 00:49.18 | guestish | matt_: not really |
| 00:49.43 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: the fact that no one has uploaded a fix for #267799 indicates that no one cares about it (users or developers) or that no one knows how to fix it |
| 00:49.48 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, when that happens, it can go back into sarge repo? |
| 00:49.49 | guestish | matt_: shouldnt hurt a thing |
| 00:49.52 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: yes. |
| 00:49.56 | ijurisic | !info nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:49.58 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.6629+1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1211 kB, Installed size: 1248 kB |
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| 00:50.08 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, what happens about the multiple fixes in that mailing list though? |
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| 00:50.14 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, none of them are good enough? |
| 00:50.16 | guestish | matt_: if you want ultimate security you are better off recompiling and making a monolithic kernel and eliminating module support all together |
| 00:50.37 | guestish | matt_: rootkits and the like cant load into the kernel then |
| 00:50.38 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: those are just people talking... the maintainer (Randall Donald <rdonald@debian.org>) is the person who has to arbitrate between them. |
| 00:50.41 | guestish | matt_: at least not as easily |
| 00:50.44 | initech | guestish: how does that improve security? |
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| 00:50.51 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: moreover, you'll note that none of those messages actually includes a patch that fixes the problem. |
| 00:50.53 | Delph | char0x30: you need to install the debian package? (not being funny, but why are you doing that?) |
| 00:50.53 | guestish | initech: well you cant load a rootkit module right? :) |
| 00:50.56 | Delph | uhhm |
| 00:51.00 | Delph | where did that come from. |
| 00:51.09 | matt_ | OK ... and one more question :) We just setup NFS, mount -a Nfs loads fine, but when the box reboots its not loading. Is that because we have pass=0,dump=0? Or maybe the network isn't up at the time it goes to load the mount? |
| 00:51.21 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, not a patch, but some pretty detailed fixes, that they have tried, and that work |
| 00:51.24 | initech | guestish: well, the grsecurity patch is pretty nice, but very troublesome |
| 00:51.34 | guestish | initech: meh, eliminating modules is easier |
| 00:51.35 | matt_ | guestish: i'd like to. My net admin is hellish on "from source" stuff because he likes it easily updated. I'm used to the ports collection which allows source compilation while keeping it easily upgradeable. |
| 00:51.43 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: then respond with a patch that applies the specified patch to the package to fix the problem. |
| 00:51.44 | initech | guestish: but I am not too worried about modules re rootkits |
| 00:51.46 | guestish | matt_: oo, nice, i like pkgsrc too |
| 00:51.54 | char0x30 | Delph: I need to use pptp_conntrack_nat from netfilter's patch-o-matic |
| 00:51.55 | guestish | initech: neither am i, but then again this isnt a production server :) |
| 00:52.00 | dondelelcaro | s/specified patch/specified fix/ |
| 00:52.07 | matt_ | guestish: So I assume I'd apt-get the 2.4 source? I remember seeing something about it. Or do I use cvs to get the source? |
| 00:52.11 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, ok, where do I get the package from though? |
| 00:52.16 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: from unstable |
| 00:52.17 | guestish | matt_: apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.xx |
| 00:52.24 | hypnox | so, cdrecord -dev=ATAPI --scanbus caused this to happen: ide_do_rw_disk - bad command: dev hdd: flags = REQ_RW REQ_NOMERGE REQ_STARTED REQ_BLOCK_PC |
| 00:52.25 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, is that the right version though? |
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| 00:52.41 | matt_ | guestish: OK, and that puts it where? Do you know? |
| 00:52.44 | guestish | matt_: well there are advantages to keeping things easily updated i suppose |
| 00:52.48 | char0x30 | Delph: If I compiled a custom kernel with those patches, will the debian iptables package work? |
| 00:52.56 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: 16:48:25 <dondelelcaro> shingoki: that is the only package, and the package that was actually in sarge. |
| 00:52.59 | guestish | matt_: dpkg -L will tell ya, but usually its a tbz2 archive in /usr/src |
| 00:53.04 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, any idea what quantity of money would allow this to be fixed, or was that just flippant? |
| 00:53.12 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, sorry missed that, thanks |
| 00:53.32 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: that depends on who is actually doing the fix. |
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| 00:53.45 | guestish | matt_: kernel-source-2.4.xx.tar.bz2 im pretty sure |
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| 00:54.10 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, there does seem to be nvidia-glx as well though, not just that nvidia kernel source |
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| 00:54.37 | ijurisic | please,any help for nvidia |
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| 00:54.45 | guestish | matt_: why is a mail server hooked up the internet? |
| 00:54.50 | Wekkel | What's your problem with Nvidia? |
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| 00:54.54 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: that's the X driver, not the kernel driver. |
| 00:55.01 | sphinxios | msg dpkg xorg |
| 00:55.01 | hypnox | now this: 0,1,0 1) '' '' '' NON CCS Disk -- familiar to anyone? |
| 00:55.01 | matt_ | guestish: eh? |
| 00:55.14 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: it doesn't have any RC bugs against it |
| 00:55.16 | guestish | matt_: you said its a email server, why is it hooked up to the internet and not just the intranet? |
| 00:55.16 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, but I can't see that either, unless I am missing something |
| 00:55.17 | Delph | char0x30: should do. |
| 00:55.32 | Delph | char0x30: if not, just as you've done, roll your own, and run it out of /usr/local |
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| 00:55.35 | matt_ | guestish: for an ISP |
| 00:55.40 | guestish | matt_: ah, ic |
| 00:55.44 | matt_ | guestish: needs to be accessible from off network too |
| 00:55.51 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: it's all part of the same source package. It would have been removed from sarge along with nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:55.52 | guestish | matt_: got it :) |
| 00:55.57 | matt_ | guestish: already tried :) Failed at the idea. |
| 00:56.00 | char0x30 | Delph: Do I need to do anything to make sure the libs in /usr/local/lib get used, and not those in /lib ? |
| 00:56.15 | guestish | matt_: heh, for an ISP having it not connected to the net is kinda pointless... |
| 00:56.20 | matt_ | yep :) |
| 00:56.25 | guestish | matt_: atopia.net? |
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| 00:56.30 | matt_ | guestish: nope |
| 00:56.45 | dondelelcaro | not to mention the fact that its in non-free anyway, so the number of people actually willing to mess with it is fairly tiny |
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| 00:57.02 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, ok so if I grab nvidia-kernel-source from unstable, I can try installing it at least. thanks for the help. I didn't mean to offend, I just honestly do actually love open source, and I hate to see these arguments about doctrine get in the way of a usable system |
| 00:57.06 | matt_ | hehe |
| 00:57.10 | matt_ | same block :) |
| 00:57.31 | guestish | eh? |
| 00:57.39 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, I'll be the first guy buying that new open source graphics card if it happens, but until then I need nvidia drivers |
| 00:57.46 | matt_ | brb |
| 00:57.50 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: it's not an argument about doctrine. It's simply the fact that 1) people don't want to waste their time on non-free closed-source crap 2) people in Debian aren't forced to work on things that they don't want to |
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| 00:58.31 | guestish | i wonder what my isp uses, all i know is that they have a crappy old red hat server for shell access |
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| 00:58.43 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, I don't want to force anyone, I'm just surprised that support for a major piece of hardware isn't seen as a key factor in wider adoption. I mean debian so far is looking great for me, but without nvidia support I just can't do what I want to |
| 00:58.49 | rob_ | at least you have a shell access server |
| 00:58.54 | rob_ | i dont even have that |
| 00:58.56 | rob_ | lol |
| 00:58.56 | asg | guestish: then sendmail or postfix (depending on the RH version.) |
| 00:58.57 | guestish | its crappy and old, but they still upgrade the kernel, heh |
| 00:58.59 | rob_ | my ISP doesnt |
| 00:59.03 | guestish | asg: eh?? |
| 00:59.05 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, sometimes people have to do stuff that is irritating just because it is pragmatic, even if it is in free time |
| 00:59.05 | mosty | shingoki, debian can't do much in this case |
| 00:59.12 | guestish | rob_: they still use ssh v1.5, lol |
| 00:59.16 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: that's the other falicy... that Debian is really worried about wider adoption... it's not. It's about Free Software and the people who already use it. |
| 00:59.24 | asg | guestish: nevermind |
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| 00:59.28 | darxeth | is there any command for resolving ip adresses and host names on the terminal like the DNS? |
| 00:59.30 | matt_ | What was that thing called again? Hotlpug? |
| 00:59.34 | asg | darxeth: dig |
| 00:59.34 | matt_ | s/Hotlpug/Hotplug? |
| 00:59.38 | guestish | MatsK: da |
| 00:59.38 | asg | darxeth: install dnsutils |
| 00:59.49 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, it might be a fallacy, but that doesn't meant that wider adoption is a bad thing |
| 01:00.07 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: people can choose to do things that are irittating if the payoff is good enough to balance it out... but since Debian doesn't pay salaries, good luck. |
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| 01:00.18 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, the more people using a distro the better, I would have thought |
| 01:00.20 | matt_ | OK ... and one more question :) We just setup NFS, mount -a Nfs loads fine, but when the box reboots its not loading. Is that because we have pass=0,dump=0? Or maybe the network isn't up at the time it goes to load the mount? |
| 01:00.25 | matt_ | ^ Anyone know about that |
| 01:00.40 | doub | shingoki: the better the popularity, yes, but what more? |
| 01:00.43 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: sure... if it happens, great. But sacrificing core values to attain wider adoption isn't something that Debian is about to do |
| 01:00.49 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, the number of times I've spent $50 on a commercial distro, I would far rather it went to supporting someone to fix stuff like this |
| 01:00.54 | mosty | shingoki, instead of complaining here, why don't you do something about it? |
| 01:00.58 | ijurisic | ROOT RULEZ !!!!!! |
| 01:01.09 | guestish | ijurisic: mm |
| 01:01.21 | shingoki | mosty, well dondelelcaro has very patiently pointed me to the stuff I need to look at, so I am going to at least try getting it installed for myself |
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| 01:01.55 | ijurisic | guestish: hi |
| 01:02.09 | ijurisic | guestish: You have amd 64 bit? |
| 01:02.15 | guestish | no |
| 01:02.22 | asg | ijurisic: #debian-amd64 |
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| 01:02.32 | shingoki | I mean this might be rubbish, but I was put off debian for a long time by the lack of a good installer, and I always got a slight impression that there was a feeling this was a good thing - that if you couldn't get through a long complex install, you didn't deserve debian |
| 01:02.37 | ijurisic | asg: I try.... |
| 01:02.47 | shingoki | but the new installer is so nice, it must help many more people use debian, and I can't see that that is bad |
| 01:03.01 | ijurisic | asg: no answer...too many mans |
| 01:03.06 | asg | shingoki: if you think that's bad, you ought to talk to the OpenBSD folks |
| 01:03.10 | shingoki | :) |
| 01:03.11 | asg | ijurisic: mans? |
| 01:03.23 | doub | shingoki: i think it's rather because no one bothered, as the people having the capability to make a new installer already had the ability to use the old one |
| 01:03.23 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: it's not that it's a good thing, it's that no one had reached the point of caring enough about it to fix the issue. |
| 01:03.24 | idimmu | openbsd is fun to install :) |
| 01:03.25 | mosty | shingoki, i actually prefer the old installer, bar the unsupported newer hardware (SATA, recent NIC drivers) |
| 01:03.40 | idimmu | the manual comes with loads of cartoons of pufferfish and stickers to play with! |
| 01:03.45 | doub | shingoki: there's no conspiracy against newbies |
| 01:03.52 | shingoki | I know 4 or 5 people who want me to go tell them how this install went, they want to run debian but they fear it ;) |
| 01:03.54 | asg | idimmu: and the spiffy release songs |
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| 01:04.04 | idimmu | yeah |
| 01:04.08 | shingoki | happily I can tell them its all pretty nice now :) just the nvidia thing :( |
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| 01:04.11 | ijurisic | asg: men |
| 01:04.12 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: the new installer has been in the works for years... but again, it's always a question of finding volunteers interested in doing the work. |
| 01:04.13 | idimmu | debian doesnt have release songs :( |
| 01:04.17 | mosty | shingoki, tell them to try it on a junk box, what can it hurt? |
| 01:04.18 | matteJ | Does anybody know any Ubunutu working packages for Xorg that will work in Debian sarge? |
| 01:04.34 | dondelelcaro | matteJ: read /topic |
| 01:04.42 | shingoki | mosty, this is my 3rd attempt, I kinda tried at yearl intervals... last time I ended up crying ;) |
| 01:04.46 | asg | ijurisic: there are 64 people in #debian-amd64 and 705 in here. We have more people. If you are looking for women, try #hottub |
| 01:04.56 | shingoki | then I tried mepis and ubuntu, and I just fell in love with apt |
| 01:05.05 | matteJ | dondelelcaro: I know Ubuntu isn't Debian, but my compiling from source won't work |
| 01:05.15 | char0x30 | A few years ago, I tried the pretty Caldera, Suse, Mandrake, and RedHat installers, none of which resulted in a working system. Somebody told me to try Debian, I had a working system on my first try with the text installer. If you read the docs and read the screen, its pretty straightforward. |
| 01:05.27 | shingoki | its very very longwinded though |
| 01:05.29 | dondelelcaro | matteJ: you're still not reading /topic closely enough... X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg |
| 01:05.52 | shingoki | I just lost the will to live configuring the tenth package for something I had never heard of. Probably my fault, but I know other peole who did the same |
| 01:05.59 | mosty | shingoki, it may be helpful if you document your install experiences (as they happen), that way you can get this info to the isntaller team |
| 01:06.00 | asg | shingoki: the sarge installer requires no more than 13 <ENTER> hits unless you need to do special configurations. |
| 01:06.03 | shingoki | anyway, its great now, vey nice installer |
| 01:06.09 | shingoki | no the installer is perfect now |
| 01:06.14 | shingoki | just the old one was bad |
| 01:06.17 | lu | Yes, i agree make your own little howto |
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| 01:06.30 | shingoki | only probs have been synaptic missing toolbar which I've fixed |
| 01:06.33 | shingoki | and this nvidia thing |
| 01:06.43 | shingoki | I agree, propr. drivers are always a pain though |
| 01:06.43 | dvs | shingoki: I haven't fixed my synaptic |
| 01:06.54 | doub | asg: it deals with partitions automatically? |
| 01:07.00 | lu | that was the only way i learned, i got to wrapped up in what software i could install i never realized that if you install you can get broken packages that'll screw everything |
| 01:07.00 | shingoki | dvs, get Glade-2, then open and save the windows_main glade file |
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| 01:07.16 | asg | doub: it can, it depends on what you want to do. |
| 01:07.24 | shingoki | one sec, ill get the page for synaptic fix |
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| 01:08.24 | doub | asg: say you have a disk full of crappy OEM OS stuff, i bet it can't deal with it automatically, can it? |
| 01:08.40 | matt_ | No ideas? |
| 01:08.43 | asg | doub: yes, it will happy remove the lot and install a fresh debian free of charge |
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| 01:09.18 | shingoki | "As a workaround, you can install a glade-2 and open and save the file /usr/share/synaptic/glade/window_main.glade" |
| 01:10.13 | shingoki | dvs, that worked for me |
| 01:10.19 | doub | asg: that's a way to handle it. quite harsh, but a good way however :). unfortunately, that's still not good for the average (l)user |
| 01:10.23 | bdp | hi i have some pbs with the kernel parameters in /proc/sys/kernel |
| 01:10.39 | bdp | I can t find SHMMIN |
| 01:10.45 | asg | doub: nothing will ever be good for the average (l)user |
| 01:10.49 | bdp | nor SHMSEG SEMMSL SEMOPM SEMMNS SEMMNI |
| 01:10.50 | barbablues | hi, anyone can help with installation of alsa (snd_atiixp driver) with sarge? |
| 01:10.53 | dvs | shingoki: By jove! It worked! Thx |
| 01:10.57 | shingoki | dvs, :) |
| 01:11.17 | asg | bdp: well, they won't be in CAPS, that's for sure. |
| 01:11.18 | doub | asg: quite true |
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| 01:12.03 | bdp | asg: is there such param in debian? |
| 01:12.12 | matt_ | hotplug was already installed :-( |
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| 01:12.47 | asg | bdp: /proc/sys/kernel/sh* (on a 2.6 kernel) |
| 01:13.14 | tatoo | has somebody seen the following syntax for _at_ : #at 7:00pm at>task at>ctrl+d ??? |
| 01:13.17 | matt_ | Can someone make it easy on me to find my own answers. Is there a way to scroll up once your system is rebooted to actually see the error messages? I used to think scroll lock and then page up/page down would work but it wont |
| 01:13.20 | matt_ | or does it depend on your shell? |
| 01:13.20 | asg | bdp: and on a 2.4.x kernel too |
| 01:13.49 | caphuso | tatoo: huh? |
| 01:13.49 | mosty | matt: shift (or ctrl, i forget) + pageup works if you have enough video ram |
| 01:14.07 | asg | matt_: if you have sarge or sid, enable bootlogd (/etc/defaults/bootlogd) and also look at /var/log/dmesg (for kernel info pre sysvinit) |
| 01:14.18 | mosty | matt: or just do "dmesg | less" or "less /var/log/dmesg" instead |
| 01:14.33 | tatoo | caphuso: that was my reaction too... |
| 01:14.51 | matt_ | I did, it doesn't show everything |
| 01:14.58 | matt_ | I'll find it, thanks :) |
| 01:15.02 | bdp | asg: I only have shmmni and shmmax |
| 01:15.03 | matt_ | I dnt mind googling but i gotta find the errors first |
| 01:15.04 | asg | tatoo: syntax as in 'you type it' or a shortcut for displaying 'at' entries interfactively entered at the keyboard? |
| 01:15.19 | asg | bdp: uname -r |
| 01:15.25 | bdp | 2.6.10 |
| 01:15.25 | caphuso | tatoo: i really don't understand what kind of answer you want |
| 01:15.33 | caphuso | tatoo: your whole question makes no sense at all |
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| 01:16.08 | tatoo | caphuso: i asked if someone could "translate" this kindda syntaxe for the at command. |
| 01:16.13 | bwalls | hi all, i need to recompile my kernel to not use rivafb, can anyone help? |
| 01:16.19 | caphuso | tatoo: which part? |
| 01:16.24 | caphuso | tatoo: the 7:00pm? |
| 01:16.34 | caphuso | tatoo: that's 19:00 in 24 hour format |
| 01:16.36 | tatoo | the whole one... |
| 01:17.09 | tatoo | caphuso: i got it from a doc...and that was my first doubt: the time format. |
| 01:17.15 | asg | bdp: asg@rob:~$ ls -1 /proc/sys/kernel/sh* | tr '\n' ' ' && uname -r |
| 01:17.16 | asg | /proc/sys/kernel/shmall /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax /proc/sys/kernel/shmmni 2.6.10-1-686 |
| 01:17.23 | asg | bdp: dunno why you don't have shmall |
| 01:17.27 | tatoo | asg: the question for at syntax |
| 01:17.30 | bwalls | hi all, i need to recompile my kernel to not use rivafb, can anyone help? |
| 01:17.36 | bwalls | PLEASE? |
| 01:18.06 | tatoo | asg: the redirections sound strange for me "at>...at>ctrl+d" |
| 01:18.13 | asg | tatoo: echo 'echo wakeup you bastard' | at 7:30am tomorrow |
| 01:18.32 | caphuso | tatoo: uh, that's a prompt, not a redirection |
| 01:18.34 | asg | tatoo: the 'at>' indicates interactive mode. You type stuff and then hit CTRL+D to complete the setup |
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| 01:19.11 | bwalls | can ANYONE help me?????????? |
| 01:19.23 | caphuso | bwalls: stop being annoying |
| 01:19.25 | shingoki | how about matrox cards, do they just work? |
| 01:19.25 | tatoo | asg: sorry...how come "to complete the setup"? |
| 01:19.33 | daft_ | when i want my pc to wake me I set it in the bios |
| 01:19.36 | dvs | bwalls: Just reconfigure it using make menuconfig |
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| 01:19.49 | asg | tatoo: if you don't hit CTRL+D, it will just sit there waiting for you to do so. |
| 01:20.10 | bwalls | make: *** No rule to make target `menueconfig'. Stop. |
| 01:20.21 | dvs | bwalls: spell it properly |
| 01:20.25 | mosty | does tcsh have an equivalent to bourne shell's "exec" ? i want to replace the current process with another, so that when the new process dies, i get logged out |
| 01:20.27 | asg | bwalls: install libncurses5-dev build-essential |
| 01:20.31 | lu | menuconfig bro |
| 01:20.48 | tatoo | asg: in ur example u didn't write ^D. is it necessary anyway? |
| 01:20.57 | stew | bwalls: what directory are you in when you typed make menuconfig? |
| 01:21.00 | asg | tatoo: ^D == CTRL+D |
| 01:21.00 | outlaw | can anyone here help me to interpret a message in a cups server log? |
| 01:21.08 | bwalls | ummm... |
| 01:21.15 | lu | put this in your browser file:///usr/share/doc/doc-linux-nonfree-html/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html |
| 01:21.18 | tatoo | asg: yes |
| 01:21.21 | bwalls | my home one lol |
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| 01:21.28 | bwalls | installed |
| 01:21.38 | r3m | how to show the line 72 of a text file please |
| 01:21.41 | lu | plethora of knowledge |
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| 01:21.54 | bwalls | ASG: installes |
| 01:21.58 | bwalls | installed** |
| 01:22.16 | caphuso | r3m: sed -n 72p file |
| 01:22.22 | r3m | thanks |
| 01:22.43 | bwalls | asg: now what |
| 01:22.59 | asg | bwalls: then type 'make menuconfig' in the kernel src tree |
| 01:23.16 | tatoo | asg: sorry, that was a question right? cuz i meant in ur example (echo 'wake up'|at 7:30am tomorrow) u didn't write ctrl+d |
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| 01:23.25 | bwalls | asg: where's that?? |
| 01:23.30 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:23.39 | asg | tatoo: no, it isn't necessary there since it isn't interactive waiting for a prompt. |
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| 01:24.06 | asg | bwalls: wherever you unpacked the kernel source you are attempting to compile. |
| 01:24.07 | tatoo | asg: hmm... |
| 01:24.15 | caphuso | tatoo: you want to equip yourself with a devent unix introduction book and learn about stdin and friends |
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| 01:24.26 | caphuso | ^dev^dec |
| 01:24.32 | guestish | stdio! |
| 01:24.54 | outlaw | does anyone have any suggestions were I might get some assistance for my printing problem .... I've been to linuxprinting .org |
| 01:25.03 | bwalls | and if we dont know where that is? |
| 01:25.06 | asg | tatoo: for example: type 'cat' it will echo what you type until you hit '^D' |
| 01:25.21 | guestish | or ^C |
| 01:25.22 | asg | bwalls: then use a pre-compiled kernel |
| 01:25.28 | bwalls | lol |
| 01:25.31 | tatoo | asg: got it |
| 01:25.34 | tatoo | asg: thanks |
| 01:25.35 | asg | tatoo: however, 'cat file' doesn't require it |
| 01:25.42 | tatoo | asg: yes |
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| 01:26.17 | bwalls | Where can i get them w/ apt-get? |
| 01:26.28 | bwalls | kernel-image-blablabla? |
| 01:26.31 | tatoo | asg: now it makes sense. i thought that would be some kindda redirection. |
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| 01:27.02 | florg | hi, i'm using gdm and fluxbox is my wm. My prob is, that the apps in my .xsession aren't started, so .xsession is not read when loggin in. I tried with .gnomerc to start my apps but doesn't work. Any ideas? |
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| 01:27.14 | asg | tatoo: it can be a bit confusing that the redirect in the shell == $PS2. (type 'echo $PS2') |
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| 01:27.46 | tatoo | asg: so when i wanna do bunddle of at's i must use 'at>' prompt right? |
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| 01:27.51 | asg | florg: /msg dpkg nodm ; startx |
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| 01:28.12 | bwalls | asg: is there any way just to stop the damn thing from loading? |
| 01:28.15 | Daffy-PKF | bwalls> apt-cache search is your friend... |
| 01:28.25 | stew | bwalls: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 01:28.32 | asg | bwalls: video=vga16:off (or somesuch to the kernel) |
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| 01:28.42 | caphuso | video=rivafb:off |
| 01:28.44 | qwerty | Is anyone else getting "error">charset conversion failed when trying to burn a vcd with k3b? |
| 01:29.15 | Flimzy | qwerty: No. But then I never try burning things with k3b :P |
| 01:29.24 | asg | tatoo: no, the prompt allows a single job to have muliple commands. |
| 01:29.38 | bwalls | so type that in terminal as root? |
| 01:29.42 | bwalls | and im good? |
| 01:29.52 | caphuso | bwalls: no, you need to have that in your kernel command line |
| 01:29.59 | bwalls | dang |
| 01:30.01 | caphuso | which means reconfiguring your bootloader |
| 01:30.04 | bwalls | how do i do that? |
| 01:30.13 | bwalls | can i PM you? |
| 01:30.26 | asg | tatoo: you could also put the commands you want to run in a file and do 'at 7:30am tomorrow </path/to/file' |
| 01:30.27 | caphuso | not me |
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| 01:30.38 | tatoo | asg: sorry...spelling mistake...a single job w/ multiple commands. |
| 01:30.56 | asg | tatoo: right |
| 01:31.04 | bwalls | stew: i dont get the backlist thing |
| 01:31.07 | tatoo | asg: thank you very much man |
| 01:31.11 | asg | tatoo: you're welcome |
| 01:31.18 | caphuso | or use "echo 'command1; command2; command3;' | at 7:30am tomorrow" |
| 01:31.31 | asg | caphuso: timtowtdi |
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| 01:31.36 | python | hi |
| 01:31.41 | caphuso | just get whatever you want into at's stdin, that's all that matters |
| 01:31.46 | tatoo | caphuso: thank you man! |
| 01:31.52 | stew | bwalls: forget it and listen to caphuso |
| 01:32.09 | python | i am wondering does anyone know what package i have to install for sdl |
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| 01:32.25 | outlaw | sorry to be a pain folks and keep asking but is anyone here a cups / printing "expert" |
| 01:32.26 | caphuso | python: apt-cache --names-only search ^libsdl |
| 01:32.34 | Daffy-PKF | python> sdl-debian i think... |
| 01:32.38 | pipeline | What's the easiest way to make a quick and dirty debian package? Because the new maintainers guide is an eldritch horror. Whoever wrote it should be shot. |
| 01:32.43 | neo10-CZE | I need help. Can I have own debian mirror for my site (120 computers)... ? If yes, where I find article about it |
| 01:32.43 | bwalls | ok im lost, offically |
| 01:33.00 | caphuso | python: the NMG is the quick and dirty way... |
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| 01:33.08 | caphuso | err, pipeline: ^^^^ |
| 01:33.09 | pipeline | neo10-CZE: Yeah, and it's not that hard to do. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 01:33.14 | caphuso | python: sorry, wrong nick |
| 01:33.19 | Flimzy | pipeline: I've never had that experience. I thought it was well written and consice. |
| 01:33.23 | Flimzy | er... concise |
| 01:33.25 | pipeline | caphuso: Gah, what's the long way, then? The automated tools are so godawful, I'd rather do it by hand than deal with it anymore. |
| 01:33.35 | Flimzy | whatever |
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| 01:33.40 | NewpZ | hi im using the cisco linux vpn client with kernel 2.6.10... i can connect to the network and ping stuff but i cant use rdesktop and websites only particily load.. i read that changing the MTU to 1500 fixes it but it doesnt work for me.. Any clues? |
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| 01:33.52 | python | what is ngm |
| 01:33.54 | bwalls | caphuso: how do i stop rivafb from loading? i am a noob |
| 01:34.05 | caphuso | pipeline: build a directory tree, write the metadata files by hand, use dpkg-deb |
| 01:34.10 | stew | pipeline: ask in #debian-mentors or the -mentors mailing list |
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| 01:34.14 | caphuso | bwalls: i already told you |
| 01:34.17 | Flimzy | pipeline: If you think the tools are awful (BTW, they aren't) then don't use Debian. Make an RPM or something. |
| 01:34.31 | Flimzy | python: New Guide for Mantainers? |
| 01:34.31 | Flimzy | :P |
| 01:34.31 | caphuso | Flimzy: he probably wants dh_dwim |
| 01:34.42 | barbablues | hi, anyone can help me, i have debian sarge with kernel 2.6 and my soundcard doesn't work |
| 01:34.46 | bwalls | caphuso: yea but i dont understand |
| 01:35.00 | caphuso | bwalls: then ask for clarification |
| 01:35.07 | pipeline | caphuso: dh_dwim is exactly what I want. But maybe writing the metadata by hand is the easiest way to do this. I'm going out of my mind with dh_make and debuild. |
| 01:35.16 | bwalls | what??? |
| 01:35.20 | dvs | caphuso: edit /etc/lilo.conf. Find the image=/linux line. Add the line append="rivafb:off" after that one. Run lilo as root |
| 01:35.37 | Flimzy | caphuso: I don't get the reference |
| 01:35.37 | caphuso | dvs: *slap* :) |
| 01:35.44 | dvs | Duh? |
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| 01:35.55 | bwalls | i dont use lilo, i use grub |
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| 01:36.08 | caphuso | Flimzy: dwim == Do What I Mean |
| 01:36.14 | Flimzy | caphuso: ah |
| 01:36.31 | outlaw | how can I get a channel list for this server? |
| 01:36.39 | sanxiyn | caphuso: dh-make is a good approximation of dh-dwim in usual cases. |
| 01:37.00 | caphuso | sanxiyn: tell that pipeline, he's the one thinking otherwise |
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| 01:37.12 | caphuso | outlaw: /msg chanserv help list |
| 01:37.15 | dvs | bwalls: edit /boot/grub/menu.list. find the "kernel" line. Add video=rivafb:off at the end of that line. Run update-grub as root |
| 01:37.18 | quitte | bwalls: dpkg-reconfigure hotplug. when asked if hotplug shall ignore pci display devices answer yes. but there are more possibilities why rivafb gets loaded. |
| 01:37.20 | outlaw | thank you |
| 01:37.32 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Well, do try to write metadata files by hand. It's instructive. |
| 01:37.52 | daft_ | quitte remove rivafb from your kernel |
| 01:38.03 | bwalls | PM me if you are interesed |
| 01:38.09 | bwalls | interested* |
| 01:38.10 | DrRighteous | Hey guys, installing 2.6.8 on a SuperMicro 6013A-T with the ICH5 raid controller. After configuring the RAID array, linux is showing both drives, not just one for the array |
| 01:38.12 | sanxiyn | If I recall correctly, writing metadata without debhelper is even one of New Maintainer technology question. |
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| 01:38.18 | quitte | daft i dont have rivafb. why is it that whenever i try to help i *am* helped? |
| 01:38.26 | caphuso | bwalls: oh god, _you_ are running a webhosting company? |
| 01:38.33 | bwalls | :) |
| 01:38.37 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: yes, doing a package without using dh is a typical part of T&S |
| 01:38.37 | bwalls | yessir |
| 01:38.49 | bwalls | i know how to do that stuff |
| 01:39.04 | quitte | just like stef does |
| 01:39.05 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 702] by debhelper |
| 01:39.06 | bwalls | but i just dont get how to get TwinView working |
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| 01:39.18 | bwalls | and ive been working forever on it |
| 01:39.20 | NewpZ | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1-386 root=/dev/hda1 video=rivafb:off ro |
| 01:39.24 | NewpZ | is that right? |
| 01:39.32 | bwalls | and im getting impatient |
| 01:39.34 | bwalls | :( |
| 01:39.35 | dvs | NewpZ: Looks good |
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| 01:40.02 | dvs | bwalls: NewpZ got it |
| 01:40.07 | pipeline | sanxiyn: This package is like five files for /usr/lib. I may actually find it easier to do it this way :| |
| 01:40.09 | NewpZ | sweet i saw that warning when i compiled my nvidia driver and ignored it.. i come here for a vpn issue and see the solution for that :) |
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| 01:40.12 | bwalls | ok now just how to do it lol |
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| 01:40.34 | bucky | bwalls, you just missed it |
| 01:40.56 | daft_ | asg and it is a damn good dog food brand |
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| 01:41.21 | sanxiyn | pipeline: You are making package for your own use, or to be included in debian archive? |
| 01:41.24 | NewpZ | err runing update-grub after u make that change removes t |
| 01:41.34 | asg | daft_: I prefer Iams myself |
| 01:41.39 | bwalls | 100 GB of transfer 10 GB of space, not bad at all |
| 01:41.47 | sanxiyn | pipeline: If the later, let's read Debian Library Packaging Guide. Really. |
| 01:41.54 | dvs | NewpZ: Put it at the "# kopt" line ;-) |
| 01:41.55 | asg | daft_: well, http://gimp.shacknet.nu/cats/webster/webster-couch-4.jpg, does |
| 01:42.12 | bwalls | bucky: missed what? |
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| 01:42.27 | NewpZ | dvs: really? |
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| 01:42.28 | bucky | bwalls, how to do it |
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| 01:42.37 | dvs | NewpZ: Yup. |
| 01:42.41 | NewpZ | ok |
| 01:42.46 | daft_ | asg cant see images im in console |
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| 01:42.58 | jetscreamer | try elinks |
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| 01:43.03 | dvs | NewpZ: Let's see it. |
| 01:43.04 | asg | daft_: ah, no worries, it's just a picture of the beast. |
| 01:43.19 | caphuso | asg: the beast and a really ugly cushion |
| 01:43.27 | NewpZ | # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro video=rivafb:off |
| 01:43.32 | dvs | NewpZ: Yeah |
| 01:43.34 | asg | caphuso: yeah, mrs. asg won't put it away |
| 01:43.39 | NewpZ | should the ro be after? |
| 01:43.47 | caphuso | NewpZ: doesn't matter |
| 01:43.50 | dvs | NewpZ: It shouldn't matter |
| 01:43.53 | NewpZ | ok |
| 01:43.56 | dvs | NewpZ: run update-grub again |
| 01:44.01 | Flimzy | Hmm... someone needs to write a Linux version of regedit, so I can hack registries of my brother's computer remotely via Samba |
| 01:44.04 | asg | caphuso: at least I managed to cover the couch with a decent cover now. |
| 01:44.14 | caphuso | asg: hehe |
| 01:44.31 | NewpZ | dvs: yup it added it now |
| 01:44.40 | jetscreamer | Flimzy, you could use wine maybe :) |
| 01:44.46 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: hehe... maybe |
| 01:44.46 | dvs | NewpZ: ;-). Now show bwalls |
| 01:44.49 | quitte | bwalls: rm /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/riva/* do i get dog food now? |
| 01:44.54 | daft_ | Flimzy I think regedit runs nicely in wine |
| 01:45.32 | NewpZ | i am via im |
| 01:45.32 | Flimzy | I'm not sure how efficiently I could run wine over a remote connection, tho |
| 01:46.07 | jetscreamer | group policy is more fun |
| 01:46.18 | bdp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.20 | jetscreamer | and wmi scripting |
| 01:46.25 | pipeline | sanxiyn: The former. I'm not so bold as to think I could be a competent package maintainer. |
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| 01:46.28 | daft_ | Flimzy: mount his windows dir and then wine regedit |
| 01:46.46 | Flimzy | daft_: His windows dir is 50 miles away |
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| 01:46.59 | Flimzy | daft_: And there's a ~128k connection between us |
| 01:47.23 | asg | Flimzy: if it has terminal services, use rdesktop |
| 01:47.25 | Flimzy | daft_: If I can run regedit via DOSEMU, that would make it much more likely. |
| 01:47.33 | jetscreamer | try running mmc in wine and connect that way |
| 01:47.42 | leonel | as sid is constantly been updated is it safe for production safe about crackers ? I know sometimes can break something but is it safe ? |
| 01:47.45 | Flimzy | I think he has Win98... so I could probably run the command line version of regedit from Win98 in Dosemu |
| 01:47.50 | Flimzy | on the Linux box I have on his LAN |
| 01:47.51 | jetscreamer | o nm |
| 01:47.58 | asg | leonel: no, sid is never safe (/msg dpkg sid faq) |
| 01:48.48 | jetscreamer | sid iz 4 1337 haxors |
| 01:50.03 | daft_ | every apt-get upgrade on sid is some kind of roulete |
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| 01:50.49 | asg | daft_: apt-listbugs helps |
| 01:50.57 | NewpZ | that was painful :) |
| 01:51.15 | dvs | NewpZ: I knew it would be |
| 01:51.36 | NewpZ | i better leave before he comes back |
| 01:51.46 | dvs | NewpZ: Hide! Hide! |
| 01:51.53 | leonel | asg: not safe if using sid as desktop with iptables blocking all ? |
| 01:51.57 | NewpZ | me hides behind dvs |
| 01:52.00 | NewpZ | hah |
| 01:52.04 | Flimzy | I'm bored... I need a newbie to ask a good question I can answer :P |
| 01:52.13 | NewpZ | ill ask you one |
| 01:52.18 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 01:52.23 | Flimzy | make sure it's a GOOD question |
| 01:52.31 | NewpZ | ok let me find it |
| 01:52.35 | Flimzy | heh |
| 01:52.41 | bucky | isn't knoppix debian |
| 01:52.49 | dvs | bucky: NO! |
| 01:52.50 | Flimzy | Somehow I'm not sure I like where this is going... |
| 01:52.51 | sussudio | NEIN |
| 01:52.51 | leonel | Flimzy: is SID safe if using sid as desktop with iptables blocking all ? |
| 01:52.52 | jetscreamer | yes! |
| 01:52.54 | NewpZ | Flimzy: im using the cisco linux vpn client with kernel 2.6.10... i can connect to the network and ping stuff but i cant use rdesktop and websites only particily load.. i read that changing the MTU to 1500 fixes it but it doesnt work for me.. Any clues? |
| 01:52.55 | sussudio | !fuck bucky |
| 01:53.04 | jetscreamer | sid is safe, knoppix is debian, and windows is your god |
| 01:53.05 | NewpZ | answer that and gold star |
| 01:53.10 | Flimzy | leonel: Maybe, depending on the day of the week, and your definition of 'safe' |
| 01:53.11 | bucky | that's a good newbie question |
| 01:53.21 | bucky | and a good newbie answer |
| 01:53.34 | leonel | Flimzy: well friday and safe == not external attacks |
| 01:53.44 | NewpZ | im running a sid kernel 2.6.10 |
| 01:53.46 | jetscreamer | !factinfo fuck |
| 01:53.46 | dpkg | fuck -- it has been requested 155 times, last by rmstar, 2d 11h 58s ago. |
| 01:53.49 | NewpZ | runs great |
| 01:53.56 | Flimzy | leonel: If you're only concerned about external attacks, then the kernel is the main issue to deal with. |
| 01:53.59 | jetscreamer | !author fuck |
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| 01:54.08 | NewpZ | Flimzy: wheres my answer? |
| 01:54.11 | Flimzy | leonel: Altho a truely anal admin would advise you to use an external router as well. |
| 01:54.13 | jetscreamer | how do you see who edited/created a factoid |
| 01:54.25 | asg | leonel: not safe as in simple oversights by DDs can cause your system to become unusable unless you know how to fix things. |
| 01:54.41 | asg | leonel: look at the 'horrible bugs' section of the sid faq for some examples. |
| 01:54.42 | calmar | hi all, how can I cut movie files? (besides of avidemux) any recommandation? |
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| 01:55.04 | leonel | Flimzy: so if there's no bugs on the actual kernel there's no security problems ? |
| 01:55.05 | drp | has anyone used virtual dub here |
| 01:55.09 | NewpZ | whats debian? |
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| 01:55.16 | drp | I was just wondering if thre was a debian package for it |
| 01:55.17 | asg | NewpZ: /msg dpkg debian |
| 01:55.17 | thenuke | http://www.hugi.is/hahradi/bigboxes.php?box_id=51208&f_id=929 Just have to paste this :D There is an monkey playing a bit, stake is monkey life =) |
| 01:55.18 | quitte | calmar heroinwarriors.com |
| 01:55.20 | NewpZ | ohoh |
| 01:55.28 | dvs | AHHH!! |
| 01:55.29 | NewpZ | bwalls: working good now? |
| 01:55.31 | Flimzy | NewpZ: It does sound like it's an MTU problem... you might try lowering it further. You can also test to see what the largest size packet that can go thru unfragmented is, and set your MTU to that size. |
| 01:55.34 | bwalls | no lol |
| 01:55.36 | jetscreamer | dvdrip dvr |
| 01:55.37 | Flimzy | NewpZ: There are various ways to test that. |
| 01:55.41 | leonel | asg: been with sid for 12 months and things have broken and got fixed |
| 01:55.41 | Flimzy | leonel: In theory. |
| 01:55.43 | bucky | bwalls, are you a girl? |
| 01:55.45 | jetscreamer | v4linux |
| 01:55.47 | bwalls | no |
| 01:55.50 | matt_ | anyone know how to delay something in fstab from loading? My NFS entry is getting no route to host which means its trying to get to the remote NFS server BEFORE the network drivers are loaded |
| 01:55.50 | Flimzy | leonel: That's assuming *every* inbound port is shut off. |
| 01:56.04 | NewpZ | Flimzy: getting close... ive set it from 1300-1500 |
| 01:56.09 | Flimzy | leonel: And that assumes that any protocols making outbound connections don't have any bugs. |
| 01:56.17 | leonel | Flimzy: nmap reports all closed |
| 01:56.17 | Flimzy | NewpZ: Try 500 or so... and inch up |
| 01:56.22 | asg | leonel: yes, things have been rather quiet recently. That doesn't mean that the next upgrade won't break pam, delete your root filesystem, and other nasties. |
| 01:56.28 | NewpZ | bwalls: did you reinstall the kernel module for nvidia? |
| 01:56.31 | bwalls | yea |
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| 01:56.42 | calmar | quitte: heroinwarriors.com? |
| 01:56.47 | NewpZ | did it complain about it? |
| 01:56.51 | bwalls | reinstalled the drivers, which recompiled the kernel as well |
| 01:56.53 | bwalls | yea |
| 01:56.55 | Flimzy | leonel: If security is really a huge issue for you, though, then you won't be running sid anyway |
| 01:57.02 | NewpZ | i dont think it recompiled your kernel |
| 01:57.11 | leonel | Flimzy: right |
| 01:57.17 | bwalls | well rebuilt or whatever it does |
| 01:57.18 | NewpZ | unless your on a cray that would be pretty fast |
| 01:57.40 | bwalls | idk the terms lol |
| 01:57.47 | quitte | calmar sorry heroine. |
| 01:57.49 | NewpZ | what version of driver u running? |
| 01:57.59 | leonel | asg: my concern is for security from internet |
| 01:57.59 | NewpZ | 6629? |
| 01:58.14 | bwalls | ja |
| 01:58.17 | quitte | calmar heroinewarrior.com |
| 01:58.18 | leonel | asg: I know sid can break in the next update |
| 01:58.28 | bwalls | w/ NFORCE drivers as well |
| 01:58.28 | quitte | calmar 99.9% ;) |
| 01:58.37 | NewpZ | Flimzy, what should i do ping it with -M or something? |
| 01:58.38 | asg | leonel: well, sid gets security updates and is probably as secure in that respect as any other distro out. |
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| 01:58.47 | calmar | quitte: thanks, I have a look there :) |
| 01:58.55 | NewpZ | bwalls: #nvidia, they can help ya |
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| 01:59.13 | leonel | asg: that's what I mean thanks |
| 01:59.18 | matt_ | no ideas? |
| 01:59.20 | Flimzy | NewpZ: To test? That might work. I've read of ways to test it (altho I haven't done any advanced IP networking in 2+ years, so I'm out of practice)... |
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| 01:59.42 | Flimzy | NewpZ: A general tunneling HOWTO would likely provide you with useful information on those kinds of tests |
| 02:00.00 | sanxiyn | Is "you cannot modify this software if you have seen rabbit on the moon" DFSG-free? |
| 02:00.01 | NewpZ | *yawn* |
| 02:00.07 | NewpZ | im not reading tonight hehe |
| 02:00.14 | asg | sanxiyn: no |
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| 02:00.51 | sanxiyn | Oops. Replace condition with <something obviously improvable>. |
| 02:01.06 | sanxiyn | probable |
| 02:01.15 | matt_ | What about all my ich2 scans? |
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| 02:02.22 | sanxiyn | "You can not run the software while the tip of your tongue is licking the back of your own neck" |
| 02:02.32 | asg | sanxiyn: anything that discriminates against a subset of people, things, ideologies, etc, etc, is not DFSG-free |
| 02:02.40 | sanxiyn | Thanks. |
| 02:02.41 | sanxiyn | Silly me. |
| 02:02.53 | asg | sanxiyn: check with debian-legal for further clarification |
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| 02:03.55 | sanxiyn | asg: Python's profile.py gives permission to copy/modify, provided that it is used as a Python module. That's very stupid, but profile.py uses very specific internal details of Python anyway... |
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| 02:04.02 | Flimzy | asg: What if it discriminates against all people, things, ideologies, etc? "Nobody, nowhere, at any time, under any circumstances, using any hardware whatsoever may use this software." |
| 02:04.08 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: profile.py isn't DFSG free... |
| 02:04.25 | asg | Flimzy: then it's pointless, who cares |
| 02:04.26 | sanxiyn | I know. What an unfortunate... |
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| 02:04.42 | Flimzy | asg: sanxiyn's examples were just as pointless |
| 02:04.46 | Flimzy | asg: *shrug* |
| 02:04.57 | asg | Flimzy: he didn't go as far as your example though |
| 02:05.15 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: then it isn't DFSG Free, but more importantly, it's totally useless. |
| 02:05.17 | Flimzy | asg: only b/c he hadn't thought of it yet, I'm sure :P |
| 02:05.31 | sanxiyn | "licking back of neck" is from http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-February/051465.html btw. |
| 02:05.39 | asg | Flimzy: a simple rule of thumb: if it smells, don't eat it or feed it to your friends. |
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| 02:07.37 | chealer | yay for topic change :) |
| 02:08.13 | asg | chealer: the /topic hasn't changed since 3:30pm EST today |
| 02:08.15 | bwalls | what is the newest debian kernel for sarge? |
| 02:08.39 | jstevens | bwalls: 2.6.9 isn't it? |
| 02:08.43 | chealer | bwalls: check the dependency of kernel-image-2.6-something |
| 02:08.47 | chealer | it's 2.6.8 |
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| 02:09.11 | chealer | asg: anyway I don't like ugly dates :) |
| 02:10.28 | chealer | I installed acpid, but I'm looking for an interface to it. I found gnome-applets seems to use it, but I used KDE. is there anything even at CLI, or this isn't worth trying? |
| 02:10.38 | asg | chealer: acpi -a |
| 02:10.49 | Flimzy | What if a software's license prohibits use for illegal purposes? Is that non-DFSG? |
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| 02:11.02 | bwalls | anyone know any good tutorials on building your own kernel? |
| 02:11.15 | Flimzy | bwalls: the kernel howto, of course |
| 02:11.25 | bwalls | where that be? |
| 02:11.27 | asg | Flimzy: yes |
| 02:11.31 | chealer | ah, wait I'm looking for something to DO ACPI stuff, like sleep/suspend. is that what you had in min asg? |
| 02:11.42 | asg | Flimzy: illegal is not the same in all locales. |
| 02:11.49 | pde | hello hello |
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| 02:12.11 | pde | have been observing bizarre clock behaviour on a new laptop |
| 02:12.11 | chealer | !tell bwalls about kp |
| 02:12.12 | asg | chealer: acpi is for information. acpid + scripts for your question |
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| 02:12.23 | Flimzy | asg: I understand that |
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| 02:12.34 | pde | may be acpi suspend |
| 02:12.40 | Flimzy | asg: But that doesn't mean a software's license cannot prohibit illegal uses |
| 02:12.47 | sanxiyn | pde: Doesn't exist. |
| 02:12.53 | pde | which kind of prompts the question, why doesn't acpid come with suspend scipts? |
| 02:13.03 | Flimzy | asg: Many software packages have similar licenses. (Altho I'm not aware of any free software with such restrictions right off hand) |
| 02:13.05 | chealer | asg: sorry I'm not sure I understand you right. you mean I have to do my own scripts? |
| 02:13.05 | CraigDu | hello. how do i stop the xscreensaver daemon from running when a user logs in? It doesnt run when root logs in, but it runs when a user logs in |
| 02:13.06 | pde | sanxiyn: have been doing echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep |
| 02:13.12 | asg | Flimzy: true but if illegality is variable, then it is based on locale and therefore a form of discrimination. |
| 02:13.38 | asg | chealer: yes, though there are examples in /etc/acpi/* if you have acpid installed. |
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| 02:13.52 | chealer | asg: ok...thanks |
| 02:13.53 | pde | which works, but if one needs to save the system clock over the hardware clock and back again... |
| 02:14.03 | sanxiyn | chealer: Also /usr/share/doc/acpid/examples |
| 02:14.05 | Flimzy | asg: non-us's legality is based on locale, but it's considered free by DFSG |
| 02:14.26 | Flimzy | asg: I don't think that's considered descrimination |
| 02:14.38 | asg | Flimzy: not DFSG free, that's why it has it's own area, i.e., non-free |
| 02:14.42 | pde | asg: ls /etc/acpi/events/ |
| 02:14.42 | pde | powerbtn |
| 02:15.00 | pde | asg: should there be a suspend script there too? |
| 02:15.01 | Flimzy | asg: At least no court in existance would consider it descrimination (I realize the DFSG isn't something that will ever be held up in court, tho) |
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| 02:15.10 | sanxiyn | pde: I think so... |
| 02:15.19 | asg | pde: no since acpi suspend is broken for a great many systems. |
| 02:15.23 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: software that requires you to obey the laws of a specific locality isn't DFSG free |
| 02:15.37 | CraigDu | hello. how do i stop the xscreensaver daemon from running when a user logs in? It doesnt run when root logs in, but it runs when a user logs in |
| 02:15.37 | pde | right, okay |
| 02:15.38 | Flimzy | asg: non-free is NOT the same as non-us |
| 02:15.38 | Flimzy | asg: Software can fall into either non-free or non-us, or both. But they are completely independant of each other. |
| 02:15.54 | asg | Flimzy: true but what dondelelcaro said holds |
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| 02:16.32 | pde | asg: Okay, fair point, just wondering if there should be a bug against acpid to at least document that & provide examples that work on some systems |
| 02:16.50 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: That's not what I'm talking about, tho. I'm talking about software that says something to the effect of "This software may not be used in violation of applicable laws in your area" |
| 02:16.52 | asg | pde: sanxiyn indicated /usr/share/doc/acpid/examples |
| 02:16.53 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: And that leads to... discussion regarding "choice of venue"? |
| 02:16.56 | Flimzy | asg: What dondelelcaro says doesn't apply to my question :) |
| 02:16.59 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: that's still not free |
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| 02:17.28 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: choice of venue is likewise not free. |
| 02:17.40 | pde | asg: thanks |
| 02:17.41 | asg | Flimzy: a person is free to break laws, once cannot prevent someone from doing so. |
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| 02:17.56 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: I think, something that restricts uses by anti-government associations can't be free. |
| 02:17.59 | asg | Flimzy: the consequences of such actions, however, are not covered. |
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| 02:18.01 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 02:18.15 | arango | Can someone help me get the trackstick working on the OQO ? |
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| 02:18.25 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: Let's say, Fa Lun Gong want to use Debian. |
| 02:18.40 | Flimzy | asg: indeed |
| 02:18.40 | pde | Although there's actually nothing of any interest in /usr/share/doc/acpid/examples |
| 02:18.50 | asg | Flimzy: in Virginia, for example, it is illegal for a woman to rearrange the furniture without her husband's consent. |
| 02:18.54 | pde | well, nothing relating to suspend or sleep ing |
| 02:18.55 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: that's not what I was asking about, tho |
| 02:19.01 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: the issue is primarily one of "I live in a fascist regime, which has totally arbitrary and capricious laws. I leave my fucked up country, and flee. You then sue me for copyright violation for violating your license because I disobeyed the fascist regimes laws" |
| 02:19.14 | pipeline | well |
| 02:19.21 | pipeline | you would only be able to sue under the fascist regime's law |
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| 02:19.32 | pipeline | otherwise how would you be able to prove infringement after-the-fact in another country? |
| 02:19.40 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: not if the license was written in the manner flimzy is claiming |
| 02:20.03 | arango | I need help setting up a trackstick |
| 02:20.10 | pde | dondelelcaro: usually, you can only sue people for contract violation for breaking a license |
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| 02:20.22 | dondelelcaro | pde: no, that's not true. |
| 02:20.36 | pde | dondelelcaro: the GPL is an exception because everything it tries to regulate corresponds to an exclusive right under copyright |
| 02:20.49 | pde | which is a bit non-obvious |
| 02:20.53 | dondelelcaro | pde: there are a whole host of things which you can instigate a civil case under, and two, contracts and licenses are slightly different beasties. |
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| 02:21.18 | pde | dondelelcaro: probably depends on where you are |
| 02:21.19 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: I see. Or even more likely (and silly)... Jon Doe uses my software to violate a local law (such as women not to rearrange furniture) that nobody cares about, and so I sue for (c) infringement, even tho he doesn't move. |
| 02:21.27 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: sure |
| 02:21.46 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, can I bother you again? I've just been through the nvidia install with the packages from unstable as you suggested, and it works perfectly, if "nvidia" is added to /etc/modules. Is it worth me working out how that would go in a deb and submitting to the maintainer? |
| 02:21.47 | dondelelcaro | pde: presumably, yes... although, the common law countries are rather similar in this regard |
| 02:22.12 | pde | dondelelcaro: I've had US law academics assure me that a license only does anything if it's a contract |
| 02:22.16 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, oops, was the last thing I said to you cut off? |
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| 02:22.41 | asg | pde: is that a signed contract or an implied one? |
| 02:22.41 | pipeline | FLimzy: Well, there's different sorts of infringement. More than likely, all you can do is sue to stop him from using the software anymore. |
| 02:23.03 | dondelelcaro | pde: there's some debate over that actually... but in the cases that I'm talking about, we'll assume that the license is granting things not allowed under applicable copyright law, not a case where it is restricting things specifically allowed by copyright law. |
| 02:23.08 | CraigDu | hello. how do i stop the xscreensaver daemon from running when a user logs in? It doesnt run when root logs in, but it runs when a user logs in |
| 02:23.18 | chealer | shingoki: it's a very well known issue |
| 02:23.23 | pde | asg: Either, but whether or not an implied contract exists would be uncertain until you went to court |
| 02:23.39 | Flimzy | pipeline: If my license says "You can use this softare only if you use it for legal activities." then the user is using UNlicensed software if he uses it to rearrange furniture |
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| 02:23.50 | Flimzy | pipeline: And would be in violation same as if he was using MS Word without paying for it. |
| 02:23.53 | asg | pde: ah the Heisenberg legal uncertainty principle |
| 02:24.01 | shingoki | chealer, so is it not worth saying anything? its just that adding nvidia to modules fixes it, so it seems that could just go in the deb, and all would be well |
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| 02:24.10 | pde | dondelelcaro: ahh, okay funny way of putting it but that's equivalent to the GPL case I think |
| 02:24.12 | pipeline | Flimzy: That's right. And Microsoft can't sue you for a terrible lot if you don't pay for Word. |
| 02:24.23 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: presumably. However, I'm not totally sure where the patch would need to go, since presumably, the package shouldn't be modifying /etc/modules, and hotplug or similar should actually be loading the module. |
| 02:24.24 | chealer | shingoki: there's already 1 or 2 bugs for debian about it anyway |
| 02:24.28 | pde | asg: yes |
| 02:24.43 | chealer | udev's the problem |
| 02:24.54 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, well thanks for all the help, at least I have nvidia support now, so I seem to have a perfect debian, I am very impressed :) |
| 02:25.07 | pde | sanxiyn,asg: might file that bug against acpid... |
| 02:25.14 | shingoki | chealer, so is a fix in progress for udev? |
| 02:25.20 | dondelelcaro | pde: yes... in the case of most free software licenses, there's some question about whether or not there is consideration or a meeting of the minds as required by copyright law... I've argued a few times that there is, but it's not something that's been specifically adressed by a court of law to my knowledge. |
| 02:25.37 | pde | sanxiyn,asg: or perhaps even acpi, since it claims to replace "apm" |
| 02:25.39 | chealer | shingoki: not necessarily, but unless you're a guru I don't think you can help |
| 02:25.39 | dondelelcaro | s/copyright/contract/ |
| 02:26.00 | pde | dondelelcaro: no, you're right |
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| 02:26.12 | asg | pde: well, the problem with acpi is simply that most hardware manufacturers don't implement it to spec. The kernel implementation works to spec but hardware doesn't. |
| 02:26.21 | shingoki | chealer, no I don't think I can help either :) just the whole situation makes me itch |
| 02:26.26 | directhex | dondelelcaro, the hotplug/udev maintainers won't touch nvidia with a barge pole, i've had bugs on the topic closed as not in keeping with the vision of those packages |
| 02:26.34 | scarynetworkguy | !bless me |
| 02:26.35 | chealer | shingoki: don't worry, the feeling is shared |
| 02:26.35 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child scarynetworkguy, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:26.37 | pde | dondelelcaro: in cases where the infringer knew about the license and went ahead with modifying the code, you'd have a strong case for it |
| 02:26.38 | CraigDu | hello. how do i stop the xscreensaver daemon from running when a user logs in? It doesnt run when root logs in, but it runs when a user logs in |
| 02:26.40 | shingoki | directhex, oh god that is awful |
| 02:26.41 | scarynetworkguy | Good bot. |
| 02:26.52 | chealer | shingoki: here's your man (directhex) |
| 02:26.53 | pde | asg: urgh |
| 02:27.00 | dondelelcaro | pde: oh, well, in those cases, you'd probably just go after them under the applicable copyright laws... |
| 02:27.03 | directhex | nah, i'm off to the land of wind & ghosts |
| 02:27.16 | dondelelcaro | pde: since they tend to be much easier to deal with than the copyright law case |
| 02:27.20 | dondelelcaro | s/copyright/contract/ |
| 02:27.21 | shingoki | directhex, is there anything I can do to help? like sign a petition or something? ;) |
| 02:27.29 | pde | dondelelcaro: right, and then there'd be the interesting question of whether you'd get GPL enforcement as a remedy from that lawsuit |
| 02:27.35 | asg | pde: yeah, acpi is a mess. It works for some, fails miserably for others. It doesn't work (i.e. suspend/resume) on my Latitude d600 for instance. |
| 02:27.44 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, I think if you click something, that is accepted as a contract, providing the licence isn't unreasonable |
| 02:27.46 | dondelelcaro | pde: yeah, could be... |
| 02:28.04 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, there was an article about it linked from /. which might well be complete rubbish, but did cover this |
| 02:28.16 | directhex | shingoki, think of a clean workaround, e.g. some kind of /etc/modules.d/ folder that the nvidia-kernel packages can add an entry to whilst still being compliant |
| 02:28.19 | asg | pde: apm worked will on my earlier laptops. Indeed, my Latitude CPi hasn't been rebooted in 2 months. |
| 02:28.21 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: there are specific requirements for a contract. I don't remember all of the tests, but at least, you need 1) consideration 2) meeting of the minds. If you don't have those to, you don't have a valid contract. |
| 02:28.24 | pde | asg: yeah, I have a new ibm x40 which is very nice except for the fact that the clock is sliding all over the place! |
| 02:28.29 | CraigDu | hello. how do i stop the xscreensaver daemon from running when a user logs in? It doesnt run when root logs in, but it runs when a user logs in |
| 02:28.36 | dondelelcaro | s/those to/those two/ |
| 02:28.37 | directhex | shingoki, adding /etc/discover.d/ was how the alsa people sorted some major alsa issues |
| 02:28.51 | pde | asg: I wanted to use acpi because (I presume) it does a much better job with the speedstep stuff |
| 02:28.52 | asg | pde: oh, does the hardware clock get frobbed during suspend or just the OS's idea of time? |
| 02:28.53 | dondelelcaro | CraigDu: remove it from your .xsession, or the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ or whatever is actually starting it. |
| 02:28.57 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, yes it mentioned the consideration, not sure about the meeting of minds. But apparently clickwrap has been enforced, its just people don't realise |
| 02:29.06 | resiak | pde: I don't think that acpi has anything to do with speedstep. |
| 02:29.12 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: in some cases it has, but in a few cases it hasn't. |
| 02:29.13 | directhex | resiak, it can do |
| 02:29.13 | pde | asg: haven't done enough controlled experiments, but I *think* it's just the system clock |
| 02:29.17 | asg | pde: if the latter, you can use 'hwclock --hctosys' to reset it |
| 02:29.26 | CraigDu | dondelelcaro: not sure what is starting it though. it doesnt start for root. just for users |
| 02:29.30 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: specifically, the contracts that can be accidentally aquiesed to, for example. |
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| 02:29.38 | dondelelcaro | CraigDu: how are the users starting X? |
| 02:29.40 | directhex | resiak, there are 2 ways of using cpufreq. check /usr/src/linux/Documentation/cpu-freq/ |
| 02:29.41 | shingoki | directhex, I'm not really the right guy for clean workarounds :) I'll put it on my list of things I know nothing about that I would love to help with ;) |
| 02:29.52 | pde | resiak: what about -- ls /proc/acpi/processor/CPU/ |
| 02:29.52 | pde | info limit power throttling |
| 02:30.06 | resiak | pde: :) I've already been corrected by directhex. |
| 02:30.10 | pde | asg: yeah, that's what I realised + wished that acpid was providing |
| 02:30.14 | dondelelcaro | CraigDu: if they're using startx, the four things to check are /etc/X11/Xsession.d/*; /etc/X11/Xsession; ~/.xsession and ~/.xinitrc |
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| 02:30.22 | directhex | resiak, ACPI mode is a last resort though for cpu speed alteration |
| 02:30.23 | shingoki | directhex, I hope this kind of stuff doesn't take off, I keep seeing examples of it, like the whole thing with the PWC driver for webcams |
| 02:30.32 | pde | resiak: yeah, channel scrolling nice and fast :) |
| 02:30.54 | directhex | shingoki, principles versus convenience? you could always fork the kernel |
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| 02:31.18 | pde | shingoki: clickwrap enforcement depends completely on jurisdiction (some us states do, some don't) |
| 02:31.49 | shingoki | directhex, well, I agree with not tainting the kernel, etc. But I don't agree with not even providing simple means for people to use proprietary software if they want to |
| 02:31.52 | pde | directhex: is cpufreqd through acpi sensible? |
| 02:32.16 | directhex | pde, 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:32.24 | pde | directhex: 2.6 |
| 02:32.31 | orfeu | it is a program where i can chose from kde , gnome or fluxbox in debian ??? |
| 02:32.46 | pde | directhex: although, I'm not sure if it's even working, |
| 02:32.46 | directhex | pde, powernowd and speedstep-centrino.ko would be a better bet |
| 02:32.55 | shingoki | directhex, because it seems like it starts with "We won't completely mess up the kernel to support this stupid proprietary stuff" which is good, then moves to "We won't even make easy changes to support propr. software" then moves to "You're not allowed to run proprietary software on our kernel" :) The good point is somewhere on that scale |
| 02:32.57 | directhex | orfeu, you use startx? |
| 02:32.59 | pde | directhex: cool, thanks |
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| 02:33.05 | orfeu | directhex yes |
| 02:33.07 | shingoki | directhex, the latter end of that scale is where people start going nuts :) |
| 02:33.19 | directhex | orfeu, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and x-session-manager |
| 02:33.22 | pde | directhex: scaling_governor was "performance", not "userspace", anyway, so I wasn't sure where cpufreqd sat |
| 02:33.35 | directhex | pde, oh. you really want userspace |
| 02:33.41 | dondelelcaro | shingoki: the latter two aren't happening, and the latter one can't happen. |
| 02:33.56 | CraigDu | dondelelcaro: i am using startx and its in none of those places :\ |
| 02:34.14 | pde | directhex: I thought that cpufreqd should be setting it itself but maybe its dated |
| 02:34.16 | dondelelcaro | CraigDu: find /etc -type f|xargs grep xscreensaver; then |
| 02:34.29 | dondelelcaro | CraigDu: or whatever the name of the executable is that is starting |
| 02:34.39 | shingoki | dondelelcaro, heh I hope so :) well, I know I've thanked you 3 times now but cheers for putting up with me ranting, and I will give thought to whether I can actually help, though I doubt it |
| 02:34.51 | shingoki | directhex, thanks to you as well :) |
| 02:35.16 | directhex | bedtime! >_< |
| 02:35.30 | pde | directhex: thanks for the advice |
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| 02:35.46 | shingoki | Actually I do know someone who did some work for nvidia, and his brain works with this kind of thing, so it isn't beyond the bounds of possibility that he might be able to think of something, I'll ask him |
| 02:35.53 | chealer | shingoki: your last call really smells like a rant |
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| 02:36.07 | shingoki | chealer, which last call? |
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| 02:36.26 | chealer | I mean about the steps to nutness |
| 02:37.04 | shingoki | chealer, oh yeah the last one wouldn't happen :) well, I dunno, its not too far from some RMS stuff |
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| 02:37.47 | shingoki | I'm not trying to troll though, I should go enjoy my system now it works |
| 02:38.08 | Thanatermesis | any person have this problem? hdparm -t /dev/hda = 10 Mb/s |
| 02:38.30 | x1bncwn | Thanatermesis no, 8 MB/s |
| 02:38.34 | x1bncwn | :P |
| 02:38.53 | asg | Thanatermesis: try /sbin/hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 02:38.58 | asg | Thanatermesis: then retest |
| 02:39.00 | x1bncwn | udma 2 junk |
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| 02:39.10 | Thanatermesis | x1bncwn, yes, 8 MB/s, this is a problem... my ancient value is 40 MB/s |
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| 02:39.34 | x1bncwn | well thats all my drive does on this box |
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| 02:39.51 | x1bncwn | i put it on a udma 4 capable box and it does 28-30 MB/s |
| 02:39.55 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.58 | x1bncwn | old box even, k6-2 machine |
| 02:40.03 | Thanatermesis | hummm... I have a little problem... :S |
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| 02:40.17 | Thanatermesis | my friend have an AMD-64 and have the = problem |
| 02:40.47 | nexo | just did a kernel upgrade and am getting a panic about VFS and needing to set a valid root=option... the kernel has the correct support for the fs, however in grub the difference between the new and old kernel is the old one has a initrd.img or some similar file. do i need this for my new kernel because there is not one in my boot folder |
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| 02:41.21 | x1bncwn | Timing buffered disk reads: 26 MB in 3.19 seconds = 8.15 MB/sec |
| 02:41.29 | x1bncwn | thats with dma, without its 4.24 |
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| 02:42.00 | ^c | nexo: make sure your ide is set to compile into the kernel and not as a module |
| 02:42.03 | x1bncwn | the kernel or distro or setting doesnt matter either, at udma 2 thats all its gonna do |
| 02:42.18 | x1bncwn | udma 4 i can get 28-30 MB/s |
| 02:42.18 | nexo | ^c: i used the old config as the base for the config |
| 02:42.26 | x1bncwn | still slow but not as bad, this box is just a pos |
| 02:42.29 | quittt | should I use Sid for servers? |
| 02:42.35 | quittt | !syd |
| 02:42.39 | quittt | !sid |
| 02:42.39 | dpkg | sid is probably the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 02:43.21 | x1bncwn | my console fonts are whacked again |
| 02:43.35 | x1bncwn | ive reconfigured console-tools 6 times now, and it aint fixing it anymore |
| 02:43.57 | x1bncwn | ÚÄ-> instead of --> |
| 02:44.26 | quittt | Sid will never get released??? |
| 02:44.36 | dondelelcaro | quittt: no, it never will. |
| 02:44.37 | chealer | quittt: /msg dpkg sid faq has an answer to both of these questions |
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| 02:44.59 | dondelelcaro | this is like asking "when will the song that never ends end?" |
| 02:45.04 | jazzmans | !sid |
| 02:45.05 | dpkg | methinks sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 02:45.17 | jazzmans | !unstable |
| 02:45.17 | dpkg | from memory, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
| 02:45.35 | ^c | nexo, then you need to add the initrd option into the make-kpkg I believe, I have never made an initrd |
| 02:45.39 | quittt | should I use Sid for server? |
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| 02:46.02 | nicedreams | quittt, I use sid in 3 servers with no problems at all for the past 7 months |
| 02:46.02 | chealer | !sid faq |
| 02:46.02 | dpkg | methinks sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 02:46.07 | Daffy-PKF | bye |
| 02:46.38 | dondelelcaro | oy vai. |
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| 02:46.52 | dondelelcaro | please, please. DO NOT RECOMMEND SID TO RANDOM PEOPLE. That is all. |
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| 02:46.58 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 02:47.14 | thomas_adam | Sid on a server is asking for trouble. |
| 02:47.27 | jazzmans | dpkg even says, if you have to ask, don't use sid. |
| 02:47.27 | dpkg | jazzmans: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:47.28 | dondelelcaro | (unless you plan on being on this channel 24x7 for the next 3 years and want to provide personalized support for them, of course.) |
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| 02:48.14 | jazzmans | quittt, check out woody, the latest stable, and possibly sarge, sarge will (someday) become stable. Sid is only if you don't mind your box breaking. |
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| 02:49.29 | xgabo | hi |
| 02:49.34 | a_monkey | in my xf86config, the only resolution i have set is "1280x960". yet when an x session starts up, my screen resolution is 1024x768. why is my better resolution being refused? |
| 02:49.56 | chealer | dondelelcaro: yeah, that sounds like a good excuse :) |
| 02:49.58 | thomas_adam | a_monkey: tail /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 02:50.19 | Flimzy | a_monkey: I don't know... but I have to wonder why you're using 1280x960 instead of 1280x1024. |
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| 02:50.40 | Flimzy | a_monkey: hrm... nevermind |
| 02:50.47 | Flimzy | a_monkey: it's b/c you like a standard aspect ratio |
| 02:50.56 | Flimzy | a_monkey: rather than a slightly higher resolution. heh |
| 02:51.08 | x1bncwn | who needs support, its sink or swim i always say |
| 02:51.19 | x1bncwn | heh |
| 02:51.31 | dondelelcaro | x1bncwn: hey, that's fine... just don't ask any questions here then. |
| 02:51.34 | quittt | when we are going to have Bus lightyear?? |
| 02:51.38 | x1bncwn | except for console-fonts, i need some support on those |
| 02:51.43 | x1bncwn | not in sid, in sarge |
| 02:51.52 | baver|laptop | I've installed debian sarge. All is well, but my mouse pointer, when it is suppose to look like certian things (i.e. cross when moving a window), turns into a big white box. I've tried changing cursor themes; no help. Any ideas? |
| 02:51.52 | dondelelcaro | quittt: we already did. |
| 02:51.53 | dondelelcaro | !buzz |
| 02:51.54 | dpkg | i guess buzz is Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg) |
| 02:51.57 | Flimzy | quitte: Some time after there's a Bus lightyear introduced to the Toy Story movie. |
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| 02:52.16 | Flimzy | quitte: If you mean Buzz, tho, then see what dpkg just said |
| 02:52.30 | quittt | I am quittt !! |
| 02:52.32 | Flimzy | 474 packages, eh? |
| 02:52.34 | Flimzy | man |
| 02:52.34 | quittt | not quitte !! |
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| 02:52.57 | Flimzy | and it came on 10 floppies too, right? :P |
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| 02:53.11 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: I think it was into the 20+ floppy range |
| 02:53.18 | a_monkey | i'm gonna try something. bbias |
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| 02:53.22 | quittt | !hamm |
| 02:53.22 | dpkg | hamm is, like, Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998 |
| 02:53.37 | dondelelcaro | quittt: you can /msg the bot |
| 02:53.39 | Kupal[] | anyone know how to a change a mac address on a cisco pix? |
| 02:53.53 | dondelelcaro | Kupal[]: no, but #cisco does |
| 02:54.21 | Kupal[] | i went thiere it was dead :) |
| 02:54.24 | Flimzy | Kupal[]: I'm a CCNA... if you pay me an average of +$40k/year, I'll tell you |
| 02:54.29 | Kupal[] | i will go back, just thought i would ask. |
| 02:54.35 | quittt | !slink |
| 02:54.35 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 02:54.36 | Kupal[] | Flimzy, ccna eh. |
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| 02:54.44 | quittt | !potato |
| 02:54.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 02:54.50 | Flimzy | Kupal[]: nah. I wouldn't waste my time, not to mention money, on such hogwash. |
| 02:54.53 | quittt | wow |
| 02:54.55 | dondelelcaro | quittt: /msg dpkg potato; stop using the bot in the channel |
| 02:55.04 | Kupal[] | Flimzy, im a ccna. |
| 02:55.06 | quittt | Woody took 4 years to be released |
| 02:55.10 | Kupal[] | but its been too long. |
| 02:55.12 | jetscreamer | quit or be quitted |
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| 02:55.50 | Flimzy | quittt: Yah... and sarge is at 5 years and counting |
| 02:56.05 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: you're forgetting about woody |
| 02:56.06 | Flimzy | s/5/3/ |
| 02:56.12 | dondelelcaro | (or just making a typo) |
| 02:56.24 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 02:56.32 | Flimzy | it doesn't much matter to me any more |
| 02:56.32 | quittt | Flimzy, 5 years??? |
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| 02:56.39 | Flimzy | since I use testing now |
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| 02:56.49 | Flimzy | and don't really have any need for "stable" software since I got rid of my biz that needed servers |
| 02:57.10 | mithro | hello! my /dev/null changes it permission randomly |
| 02:57.11 | jazzmans | !grok |
| 02:57.11 | dpkg | somebody said grok was to understand something completely, to take it in and make it part of you so that you never forget it,need consider it, as you simply *know*(grok) everything about it |
| 02:57.11 | a_monkey | whoops. i accidentally typed su' instead of su |
| 02:57.15 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: the groking, it is empty, not full. |
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| 02:57.25 | a_monkey | i was presented with a little '>' |
| 02:57.32 | a_monkey | what did su' do? |
| 02:57.41 | dondelelcaro | a_monkey: the > is the continuation of the ' line |
| 02:57.42 | jazzmans | that's not a complete definition, although I don't know how to make a complete definition of grok. It defies words in ways. |
| 02:57.52 | Flimzy | a_monkey: the shell thinks ' is the beginning of a quote, and so is waiting for you to close the quote |
| 02:58.00 | bob2 | !+find mimencode |
| 02:58.05 | a_monkey | ah |
| 02:58.05 | dondelelcaro | jazzmans: it really is only defined by analogy... |
| 02:58.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mimencode' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/mimencode) in mail/metamail ;; (/usr/lib/exmh/mimencode.tcl) in mail/exmh. |
| 02:58.24 | dondelelcaro | jazzmans: but somewhere in between oneness and understanding is probably a good start |
| 02:58.47 | jetscreamer | telepathy is the lost language of babylon |
| 02:58.56 | dondelelcaro | (but then, presumably you've already read _Stranger in a Strange Land_) |
| 02:59.01 | jazzmans | dondelelcaro; yeah, that's a good synopsis. I've got a freind reading 'stranger' for the first time. It's interesting hearing his perceptions. |
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| 02:59.15 | jazzmans | I first read 'stranger' in 1981. |
| 02:59.23 | mithro | anyone know how to figure out what is causing my dev null to change permission? |
| 02:59.42 | jetscreamer | i musta been in the 4th grade ... 70's? |
| 02:59.49 | x1bncwn | udev ? |
| 02:59.50 | jetscreamer | nah late 60's |
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| 03:00.06 | jazzmans | sixth grade here, I barely understood it. I came from 'have spacesuit will travel' to stranger, and job. |
| 03:00.09 | dondelelcaro | mithro: random sun spot cycles on vega are causing an influx in high energy gamma particles which are flipping the bits on your disk |
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| 03:00.39 | jetscreamer | mithro, it's that, or the dynamic fluctuations of your energy conduits are causing it |
| 03:00.48 | Phated | dondelelcaro: That's desktop quantom computing, that is. |
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| 03:00.55 | Phated | Eh, quantum. |
| 03:01.03 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 03:01.11 | jazzmans | !abuse Phated spelling. |
| 03:01.17 | jazzmans | baka. |
| 03:01.19 | dondelelcaro | Phated: them gamma rays, they be affecting your tty output too. |
| 03:01.36 | Phated | jazzmans: Don't make me abuse your punctuation. |
| 03:01.37 | jcarr | ah.. A Clockwork Orange ison |
| 03:01.39 | jcarr | solid |
| 03:01.40 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Aye. |
| 03:01.48 | jetscreamer | citizen of the galaxy is one of my favorites |
| 03:01.56 | Phated | jazzmans: Actually, that's grammar. |
| 03:01.57 | chealer | how can I list all package names that end in "su" at CLI? |
| 03:01.58 | jazzmans | my puncuation? ... IT's grate. |
| 03:02.09 | Phated | Ooooh, now it's your spelling! |
| 03:02.22 | jetscreamer | is that installed packages or just any package |
| 03:02.22 | jcarr | linux geeks are a sensitive bunch |
| 03:02.26 | jazzmans | chealer, apt-cache search *su |
| 03:02.34 | Phated | And heck, whoever the hell mixes English and Japanese? |
| 03:02.38 | jcarr | always quick to correct typos to try and act superior :) |
| 03:02.40 | dondelelcaro | chealer: use grep-avaliable, or dpkg -l '*su' |
| 03:02.44 | jetscreamer | Phated, my kid does |
| 03:02.46 | chealer | E: Regex compilation error |
| 03:02.52 | jazzmans | me. I mix any language I know any words in. |
| 03:02.57 | Phated | jetscreamer: That's scary. |
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| 03:02.58 | Overand | do you suppose you can put a video card in a cobalt raq 4? |
| 03:03.05 | Flimzy | chealer: dpkg -l *su would be the obvious way |
| 03:03.14 | dondelelcaro | Overand: sure. The question is, will it work? |
| 03:03.17 | jetscreamer | Phated, and she sleeps with her sword. seriously. |
| 03:03.18 | Overand | heh |
| 03:03.28 | jazzmans | penis envy eh, jetscreamer? |
| 03:03.29 | chealer | dondelelcaro: is there any question you don't have an answer for? |
| 03:03.33 | Phated | jetscreamer: Nothing wrong with that, though. |
| 03:03.54 | Phated | chealer: Sure he does. The question "will it work?" |
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| 03:04.23 | jazzmans | who's abusing? I'm just asking. :P |
| 03:04.43 | jazzmans | freud himself said swords were penis envy. |
| 03:04.46 | jetscreamer | and you think i'd find that comment about my daughter amusing eh. |
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| 03:04.56 | jazzmans | no, but I did. No offense meant jetscreamer. |
| 03:04.57 | Phated | jetscreamer: It's OK, I can kill him, he abused my spelling. With no honour, even. He sent dpkg to abuse me. |
| 03:05.10 | scarynetworkguy | Damn bastard. |
| 03:05.29 | Overand | nice, install of debian on a cobalt raq: http://cobalt.iceblink.org/debian/debian-cobalt-howto.txt |
| 03:05.49 | dondelelcaro | chealer: What do you get when you multiply six by nine? |
| 03:06.01 | Phated | Debian geeks. Is there anything they won't try to put Debian on. |
| 03:06.02 | dondelelcaro | oh, wait... I have that written down here somewhere too |
| 03:06.36 | Phated | Oh, come on. |
| 03:06.40 | jcarr | did someone say troll? |
| 03:06.45 | jcarr | don't get me started... |
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| 03:06.48 | Flimzy | Phated: Debian won't run on my m68k mac :( |
| 03:06.49 | Phated | All right, you all suck. |
| 03:07.05 | jcarr | Phated, I can do better than that |
| 03:07.06 | Phated | Flimzy: OK... |
| 03:07.09 | dondelelcaro | Phated: 19:05:02 -!- Irssi: Stopped moron BitchX message from matt_ [4007] 19:06:59 Irssi uptime: 125d 3h 6m 21s is good enough? |
| 03:07.12 | Phated | jcarr: No thanks. |
| 03:07.14 | Flimzy | Phated: thanks to non-standard video hardware. (I suppose I might be able to run it headlessly... but who needs a headless 40Mhz Mac?) |
| 03:07.18 | jcarr | I finally migrated all my linux servers to SCO Unixware |
| 03:07.27 | jcarr | because I believe stronbgly in IP rights |
| 03:07.32 | Phated | Flimzy: I dunno, some server somewhere. |
| 03:07.34 | dondelelcaro | 4007 morons in 125 days... not bad. |
| 03:07.48 | jetscreamer | Flimzy, you can get an adapter for the vid stuff |
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| 03:08.01 | jcarr | and linux users are a buncha damn transgressing software pirates who steal from the poor (SCO) and give to the rich(IBM)!!! |
| 03:08.03 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: I would have to replace the video card (which I think is soldered on) |
| 03:08.09 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Go on, divide those around and give us an average idiocy rate. |
| 03:08.12 | chealer | jcarr: haha |
| 03:08.30 | jcarr | linux would be great... if it was usable! You cant even use TrueType fonts! ;) |
| 03:08.34 | dondelelcaro | Phated: I'll leave that as an excercise to dpkg (and/or the reader) |
| 03:08.35 | jetscreamer | Flimzy, the monitor cable doesn't come out eh? or the vid card just isn't supported? |
| 03:08.44 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Heh. |
| 03:08.45 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: The vid card isn't supported. |
| 03:08.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:08.51 | Phated | !4007/125 |
| 03:08.51 | dpkg | 32.056 |
| 03:08.55 | Phated | Oh, dear. |
| 03:09.00 | jetscreamer | !6*9 |
| 03:09.00 | dpkg | methinks 6*9 is the question to wich the answer is 42 (if you use base 13 and belive that the earth is blown to bits by a vogon contructor fleet) |
| 03:09.09 | Phated | That's more than one idiot per hour! |
| 03:09.10 | jcarr | and linux is so expensive! The TCO of linux compared to windows is about 4 billion dollars higher |
| 03:09.18 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: It's one of the rare models like that. A Mac IIfx... it's a pretty kick-ass m68k machine. Has 32mb RAM, 40Mhz 68030, IIRC... and at one point had something like 3gb of SCSI space in it |
| 03:09.28 | jcarr | buncha damn commies :) |
| 03:09.31 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: could you do a pre-emptive +q on gorilla@c-395b70d5.041-5-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se ? |
| 03:09.49 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: who is that? |
| 03:10.03 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: some retarded troll roaming the channels on freenode |
| 03:10.10 | chealer | hehe, I had no idea 6*9 was 42 |
| 03:10.18 | jcarr | damn.. .I think I should have not mentioned I was going to troll.. no one fell for it |
| 03:10.32 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: ah... I'll keep an eye out for it |
| 03:10.40 | Wyzard | chealer: It's 54 |
| 03:10.40 | chealer | however, I thought about asking you in which base you were asking :) |
| 03:10.42 | jetscreamer | !10f*ffca |
| 03:10.49 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: he's using the nick 'smallfoot-' |
| 03:10.50 | jcarr | oh well, at least I can continue my work on KDE, which is the best window manager. in fact, they should do away with all the others and just have KDE |
| 03:10.52 | jcarr | it's fastest |
| 03:11.00 | chealer | Wyzard: ^^ !6*9 |
| 03:11.05 | jcarr | and sides, who'd want a desktop with a smelly foot! |
| 03:11.11 | jetscreamer | jcarr is the new leader of linux |
| 03:11.17 | Phated | KDE is -not- a window manager. |
| 03:11.23 | jazzmans | it's a desktop environment. |
| 03:11.24 | Wyzard | chealer: I know... but you didn't mention the base-13 part so I wanted to make sure you'd noticed that :-) |
| 03:11.29 | jetscreamer | lies, jcarr is god |
| 03:11.31 | Phated | It's not -fast-, either. |
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| 03:11.39 | x1bncwn | kwin is a window manager |
| 03:11.42 | jcarr | KDE handles memory effeciently :) |
| 03:11.44 | jetscreamer | i mean god's prophet |
| 03:12.12 | jcarr | bah, who am I kidding... the K in KDE stands for KRAP!! |
| 03:12.14 | Phated | More like foot rubber. |
| 03:12.21 | jcarr | xpde is the best window manager |
| 03:12.23 | x1bncwn | Kool |
| 03:12.24 | jetscreamer | kde is really ok |
| 03:12.26 | jcarr | feels just like XP :) |
| 03:12.27 | jetscreamer | xpde is cool |
| 03:12.28 | jazzmans | I prefer xfce4. |
| 03:12.34 | pipeline | KDE is really a plot to make CDE look good. |
| 03:12.44 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 03:12.45 | jetscreamer | i liked the morphix xpde minimod |
| 03:12.48 | bob2 | that's a tad harsh |
| 03:13.21 | Flimzy | I think we should get rid of all window managers, and all go back to using WindowMaker and dial-up Internet service. |
| 03:13.36 | bob2 | windomaker is pretty good as wm's go |
| 03:13.40 | Flimzy | s/window managers/desktop environments/ |
| 03:13.46 | bob2 | if only all the themes didn't look the same |
| 03:14.03 | Flimzy | bob2: that's one thing i liked about it :P |
| 03:14.11 | x1bncwn | i like kde, heh you can stay living in 1995 if you want |
| 03:14.14 | Phated | If only it didn't look so gosh darn ugly. |
| 03:14.15 | x1bncwn | ive moved on |
| 03:14.28 | Phated | Now move on to tuxtyper. |
| 03:14.32 | Flimzy | I would like KDE if it wasn't so damn slow |
| 03:14.39 | pipeline | x1bncwn: 1988, actually. |
| 03:14.42 | x1bncwn | im on a celeron 400mhz |
| 03:14.47 | common | haha |
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| 03:14.50 | x1bncwn | i dont mind it |
| 03:14.50 | jcarr | linux sucks guys... it doesnt even have a decent web server... |
| 03:14.51 | pipeline | x1bncwn: And KDE is as much a throwback to HP VUE as CDE ever was :P |
| 03:14.55 | jcarr | and it is TOTALLY insecure! |
| 03:14.57 | common | and you want to tell us you moved on? |
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| 03:15.02 | jcarr | I got rooted in like 10 minutes |
| 03:15.03 | adjacent | heh. KDE runs damn well on my 500MHz dual monitor |
| 03:15.08 | x1bncwn | well, desktop wise |
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| 03:15.16 | Flimzy | I'm on a 2Ghz Athlon, and KDE takes considerably longer to display the contents of a damn folder than Win2k does |
| 03:15.21 | jcarr | I've gone back to windows, and use IE for my browsing.. cuz it is secure |
| 03:15.21 | x1bncwn | this machine wasnt originally mine, i got it free |
| 03:15.24 | Flimzy | Even with previews turned off |
| 03:15.31 | Flimzy | tht's rediculious |
| 03:15.32 | x1bncwn | i had kde on k6-2 also |
| 03:15.37 | jetscreamer | heh fuck http://www.lokitorrent.com/ |
| 03:15.57 | common | im on a dual amd 1.2ghz |
| 03:15.58 | jazzmans | flimzy; kde on any of my machines is faster then win 2k. xp 1700, xp 2400, amd64 3000. |
| 03:16.03 | common | kde is fucking slow |
| 03:16.06 | adjacent | jetscreamer: they are old |
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| 03:16.18 | jetscreamer | they? |
| 03:16.24 | Flimzy | jazzmans: Linux is faster than Win2k in many respects. But in the area of file browsing, Windows wins hands down. |
| 03:16.26 | Nexus | If you have a custom script to start at boot, where do you put it? |
| 03:16.26 | adjacent | lokitorrent |
| 03:16.34 | jetscreamer | they are shutdown |
| 03:16.40 | x1bncwn | calmar usability |
| 03:16.55 | jazzmans | Flimzy, I'd beg to differ. I've got 700GB of files I browse regularly, kde is faster ime. |
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| 03:17.06 | adjacent | oh. bummer. see what i mean =) |
| 03:17.08 | calmar | x1bncwn: e.g? |
| 03:17.11 | x1bncwn | oh look, im in flux and i have my slit, im so leet, i cant do anything, but damn i feel special! |
| 03:17.13 | adjacent | since when? |
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| 03:17.15 | Flimzy | jazzmans: You can "beg to differ" all you want. I'm not debating opinion. I'm stating a fact. |
| 03:17.19 | jetscreamer | dunno i just found out |
| 03:17.26 | Flimzy | jazzmans: Of course this all depends on the local configuration, of course. |
| 03:17.32 | adjacent | glad i didnt donate |
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| 03:17.34 | jetscreamer | http://www.paidcontent.org/pc/arch/2005_02_10.shtml#012277 |
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| 03:17.35 | x1bncwn | of course you can install all the apps that a basic kde install would have |
| 03:17.43 | jetscreamer | says he turned over his logs, too |
| 03:17.45 | Flimzy | jazzmans: So the facts of your situation are always going to be different than the facts of my situation. |
| 03:18.01 | Nexus | If you have a custom script to start at boot, where do you put it? |
| 03:18.03 | x1bncwn | and have 100 diff looking apps all fighting each other and hope they all get along, id rather just it be there and work from the start |
| 03:18.10 | doub | x1bncwn: feeling special is not that difficult |
| 03:18.10 | jazzmans | and thats' why I said IME, in my experiance, kde file browsing is faster then 2k. |
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| 03:18.26 | Flimzy | jazzmans: But the fact of the matter is... KDE is significantly slower than W2k for that operation on my hardware and with my configuration (despite my best efforts to configure it not to suck so much) |
| 03:18.27 | doub | x1bncwn: the only problem is _being_ special |
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| 03:18.37 | adjacent | oh well. after /. saw the suit getting fought everyone is in the logs |
| 03:18.39 | calmar | x1bncwn: you can use those tools also without KDE. KDE is just *so* big (and slow) |
| 03:18.50 | x1bncwn | i like eye candy |
| 03:18.52 | Nexus | Does someone in here know how to use debian? |
| 03:19.02 | x1bncwn | where can i get a liquid them anyways? |
| 03:19.05 | jcarr | nope |
| 03:19.09 | Flimzy | Nexus: no, what's that? |
| 03:19.09 | doub | Nexus: i guess not |
| 03:19.15 | Nexus | :) |
| 03:19.17 | jcarr | Nexus, I have no idea what debian is |
| 03:19.22 | Nexus | If you have a custom script to start at boot, where do you put it? |
| 03:19.27 | common | Nexus: debian is like a hoe, hit her hard |
| 03:19.41 | Nexus | It's just interesting to see what people say when you ask a question like that... |
| 03:19.42 | DaPhatty | •common• nice |
| 03:19.43 | common | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.53 | chealer | bob2: could you answer Nexus's question? you last answer to something like that I heard would have been interesting for qotd :) |
| 03:20.27 | bob2 | Nexus: copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/blah, and edit blah to run whatever other script you want |
| 03:20.30 | adjacent | put it in the correct rc?.d or rcS.d and use an init script in init.d to start it |
| 03:20.31 | common | Nexus: then symlink it to your whished runlevel |
| 03:20.33 | jetscreamer | interesting http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/18/bittorrent_measurements_analysis/ |
| 03:20.36 | bob2 | then use update-rc.d to install it into the boot sequence |
| 03:20.38 | jetscreamer | ot but interesting |
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| 03:21.14 | Nexus | skeleton huh? |
| 03:21.18 | jcarr | hmmm.. I have windows xp installed on a partition, doesnt show up in grub, and I have no idea how to access it |
| 03:21.19 | calmar | x1bncwn: well, the only advantage off KDE is, you get a complete set of something (most of them you will never use) |
| 03:21.27 | Nexus | Not seeing a skeleton file... |
| 03:21.36 | doub | jcarr: what a pitty |
| 03:21.36 | Flimzy | jcarr: How do you know you have it then? |
| 03:21.56 | jetscreamer | jcarr, so is this a serious one, or still kidding |
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| 03:22.08 | Phated | Yeah, if it's serious, someone probably knows how. |
| 03:22.13 | chealer | bob2: what I liked was "bob2: ChrisW: sysv init like every other unix since 1943" :) |
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| 03:23.13 | a_monkey | what the...? i went through dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root, but no changes were written to my config! |
| 03:23.28 | x1bncwn | you get a bunch of apps, that all fit, they fit with the rest of the desktop, and are all uniform within each other |
| 03:23.33 | jetscreamer | that's because you hand edited it before and didn't read line 17 or so |
| 03:23.36 | jcarr | jetscreamer, nah, serious actually |
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| 03:23.40 | jetscreamer | a_monkey, |
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| 03:23.54 | jetscreamer | jcarr, i can't tell you how to do it with grub but i can with lilo |
| 03:23.56 | x1bncwn | you can even use gtk-apps and have them look uniform, with some themeing |
| 03:24.06 | Flimzy | a_monkey: Then either a) permissions are wrong, or b) you didn't tell it to write the changes when it asked, or c) it did write changes and for some reason you're wrong in thinking it didn't. |
| 03:24.09 | jetscreamer | jcarr, you can do it with grub i just don't know how |
| 03:24.10 | calmar | x1bncwn: yeah, they suit togheter, that's right. |
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| 03:24.19 | jcarr | jetscreamer, yeah, I know how to do it with lilo too |
| 03:24.24 | jcarr | but not grub :( |
| 03:24.25 | doub | jcarr: add 'root ([whatever is your winxp partition in grub notation)\n chainloader +1\n boot' in /etc/grub/menu.list |
| 03:24.28 | fcrick | if i install testing, can i later move to stable or unstable? |
| 03:24.31 | jetscreamer | a_monkey, i told you what the problem is |
| 03:24.38 | Phated | fcrick: To unstable, yes. To stable, no. |
| 03:24.44 | jetscreamer | fcrick, not to stable unless sarge goes stable |
| 03:24.50 | a_monkey | jetscreamer: you did? |
| 03:24.57 | Flimzy | a_monkey: or d) You have a non-standard version of dpkg-reconfigure installed that doesn't write any changes to disk or e) someone rooted you and kidnapped all your files and replaced them with lame copies or... or.... |
| 03:24.58 | jetscreamer | yes a_monkey i did |
| 03:25.01 | Phated | a_monkey: You haven't changed the md5sum of it. you were told this nearly eight hours ago. |
| 03:25.13 | jetscreamer | a_monkey, that's because you hand edited it before and didn't read line 17 or so |
| 03:25.16 | fcrick | so if i have a relatively new motherboard witha funny network controller, am i best off trying testing? |
| 03:25.16 | Flimzy | jcarr: so install lilo |
| 03:25.32 | a_monkey | oh |
| 03:25.36 | jetscreamer | jcarr man grub 'should' give you an example |
| 03:25.43 | RSSFeed | how should i burn a data cd so i can access its contents in debian? |
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| 03:25.45 | jetscreamer | i'm not saying it does, just it should |
| 03:25.52 | calmar | x1bncwn: I like to have only the apps I use (non of them is kdeish) plus a fast highly configurable powerful window manager. No need for anything else. |
| 03:26.03 | Flimzy | fcrick: You're best off trying a new kernel. Which distribution you use that new kernel with is entirely up to you. |
| 03:26.14 | jetscreamer | RSSFeed, if you mean in windows, any ole way |
| 03:26.19 | fcrick | if I have x86_64, should i use the i386 cd image? |
| 03:26.21 | calmar | x1bncwn: puristic.. |
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| 03:27.08 | jcarr | doub, I have no /etc/grub :/ |
| 03:27.18 | RSSFeed | I've tried any ole way and it won't even let me mount. I know the cd drive works since I can insert the debian disk and see its contents fine |
| 03:27.21 | Phated | Flimzy: It's hell getting 2.6 kernels on woody though. |
| 03:27.22 | doub | jcarr: so grub is not really installed, is it? |
| 03:27.31 | chealer | fcrick: how are you planning to use your PC? |
| 03:27.31 | bob2 | chealer: hah |
| 03:27.37 | doub | jcarr: /boot/grub my bad |
| 03:27.41 | fcrick | trying to build a mythtv system |
| 03:27.43 | jcarr | ah |
| 03:27.45 | bob2 | chealer: slackware users need to be trolled every now and then ;) |
| 03:27.48 | fcrick | trying being the key word |
| 03:27.49 | jcarr | doub, dont confuse me! :P |
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| 03:27.51 | Flimzy | RSSFeed: If you're a newbie, use a CD burning frontend such as XCDroast |
| 03:27.53 | Phated | RSSFeed: Use mkisofs on a directory with the contents, burn the resulting iso with the -data flag with cdrecord. |
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| 03:28.02 | chealer | bob2: when you have the occasion, say it again and I'll try to register your quote :) |
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| 03:28.17 | RSSFeed | thanks |
| 03:28.17 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 03:28.22 | doub | jcarr: drunk ircing is definitely not a good idea. better go to bed |
| 03:28.22 | fcrick | i was using Gentoo...but I could just not for the life of me get the network controller working |
| 03:28.31 | baver|laptop | I've installed debian, but I'm missing X cursors such as the "X". Anyone know why/how to fix it? |
| 03:28.34 | Flimzy | Phated: If that's hell, then hell ain't that bad :P |
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| 03:28.40 | chealer | fcrick: I think you're definitely looking for sarge/testing. unstable being unstable |
| 03:28.48 | bob2 | baver|laptop: do you have x-window-system installed? |
| 03:28.48 | fcrick | i installed Fedora Core 3 and it got the netwrk working, but then I was using fedora core... |
| 03:28.50 | Flimzy | baver|laptop: You're missing cursors? |
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| 03:29.06 | baver|laptop | bob2: yes |
| 03:29.13 | baver|laptop | Flimzy: yes |
| 03:29.15 | Phated | Flimzy: It's based on reports. I haven't bothered to try. I'm not about to direct someone with a wonky mobo to use woody and then try and get 2.6 on it though. |
| 03:29.26 | Flimzy | baver|laptop: The cursors are usually defined by the window manager. The 'X' is generally only there if you're not running a window manager. |
| 03:29.28 | dendrite | baver|laptop: But the screen goes into the X graphic mode? |
| 03:29.39 | baver|laptop | Flimzy: I get a big white/distorted box where there should be a cursor |
| 03:29.45 | Flimzy | baver|laptop: (or running one that doesn't define its own cursors) |
| 03:29.51 | doub | good night you all |
| 03:29.55 | dendrite | baver|laptop: Ah. What video card? |
| 03:29.58 | baver|laptop | Flimzy: well, when just X is running, no WM, I get no X. I get a big white box. |
| 03:30.03 | Flimzy | baver|laptop: sounds like a problem with your video card/driver |
| 03:30.10 | baver|laptop | dendrite: neomagic |
| 03:30.24 | baver|laptop | (sony vaio laptop, rather old) |
| 03:30.27 | dendrite | baver|laptop: Consider trying the vesa driver, and see if that works better. |
| 03:30.28 | Flimzy | Phated: I suppose that's probably fair |
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| 03:30.51 | baver|laptop | dendrite: ok, one sec |
| 03:30.52 | Phated | Flimzy: Lovely. We're in agreement. |
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| 03:30.56 | dendrite | baver|laptop: Also look up your machine on the linux-laptops site... |
| 03:31.19 | Flimzy | Phated: Yes! Isn't it glorious! :P |
| 03:31.23 | Phated | Ehhh, a big white box... an xterm? |
| 03:31.33 | x1bncwn | try chanigng it |
| 03:31.41 | x1bncwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.15 | bucky | baver|laptop, you need a couple of extra entries in XF86Config-4 |
| 03:32.22 | x1bncwn | you can set in core.theme Inherits=whiteglass |
| 03:32.23 | penta | does anybody know why does not the pure-ftpd does not show the file swhich is over 2GB and over ? |
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| 03:32.29 | x1bncwn | or something similar |
| 03:32.39 | chealer | fcrick: did you try knoppix? it's an excellent diagnostic tool, and debian-based :) |
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| 03:33.07 | _psycho_ | hi whats the default directory for kde install? |
| 03:33.14 | fcrick | chealer - should i? |
| 03:33.27 | fcrick | debian doesn't have that tool? |
| 03:33.33 | Flimzy | _psycho_: uh... KDE installs into many directories |
| 03:33.40 | dendrite | _psycho_: dpkg -L packagename to see installed files of a package. |
| 03:33.42 | bucky | baver|laptop, in the video driver section under Driver "nv" or whatever your driver is |
| 03:33.51 | chealer | fcrick: it's one CD. it's not like debian. it's a live CD. you don't have to install |
| 03:34.01 | Flimzy | _psycho_: That's kinda like asking "What room do I look in to find where they used nails to hold the walls in place?" |
| 03:34.08 | _psycho_ | lol |
| 03:34.09 | fcrick | a live mythtv cd? |
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| 03:34.30 | baver|laptop | dendrite/bucky/Flimzy: it's the driver; vesa works fine |
| 03:34.30 | chealer | fcrick: no, just a live cd to see if your network will work |
| 03:34.35 | fcrick | ahh |
| 03:34.37 | bucky | Option "HWCursor" "off" |
| 03:34.39 | Flimzy | baver|laptop: excellent |
| 03:34.39 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.43 | _psycho_ | i was wondering i thought it was /etc/kde3 but some tell me /opt/kde |
| 03:34.45 | muuh-gnu | hello, on installing blackbox the menu file from /usr/lib/menus/blackbox doesnt get processed, and a manual running of update-menus exists with an error and signal 11. what is there to be done? |
| 03:34.55 | fcrick | ahh so use it to figure out how to configure my kernel you mean? |
| 03:34.56 | baver|laptop | x1bncwn: yeah, that was my first idea, but didn't work; I tried 5 different themes |
| 03:34.56 | Flimzy | _psycho_: Debian *never* uses /opt |
| 03:35.05 | _psycho_ | oh ok then |
| 03:35.06 | dendrite | baver|laptop: Cool. Unless you're doing a lot of heavy graphics that need acceleration, that should do you just fine. |
| 03:35.12 | x1bncwn | isnt opt part of FHS |
| 03:35.13 | _psycho_ | Flimzy, thanks |
| 03:35.17 | x1bncwn | er, /opt rather |
| 03:35.29 | bucky | baver|laptop, ^^ Option "HWCursor" "off" Option "NoRenderExtension" "on" |
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| 03:35.33 | fcrick | there is a Knoppmyth distro i could try too |
| 03:35.36 | baver|laptop | dendrite: ok |
| 03:35.41 | baver|laptop | bucky: ok, I'll try that, thaks |
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| 03:35.54 | malice9610 | okay, i have a stupid question. i have Debian 2.6.8-2-k7 and Xfree86 4.3.0.1 and a radeon 9100 AGP videocard, what is the easiest way to install the hardware acceleration drivers, i have read and tried everything i could find on it, and nothing is working |
| 03:35.58 | bucky | baver|laptop, and restart x |
| 03:36.06 | a_monkey | that's weird. i get a `RADEON: No valid modes found' error if "UseFBDev" is "false". |
| 03:36.13 | Mole | "make[1]: g++: Command not found" <- i get this msg while trying to compile something. what package do i need? (sarge) |
| 03:36.22 | jcarr | doub! I dont understand grub notation... how do I type /dev/hdc2 in grub notation? |
| 03:36.25 | stew | x1bncwn: yes, but its only for use by the admin, not by anything that managed by debian |
| 03:36.44 | x1bncwn | Mole g++ perhaps? |
| 03:36.52 | Flimzy | malice9610: I don't know the answer to your question... but just FYI, there's no such thing as Debian 2.6.8-2-k7. That number refers to your kernel. |
| 03:37.05 | a_monkey | Mole: apt-get install gcc |
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| 03:37.42 | MitchK | Does anyone know how to just delete 1 rule inside the INPUT chain |
| 03:37.44 | dendrite | a_monkey: Does gcc require g++? |
| 03:37.52 | x1bncwn | g++ would probably install gcc as a dependency |
| 03:37.53 | Flimzy | a_monkey: g++ is part of the g++ package |
| 03:38.02 | x1bncwn | g++ - The GNU C++ compiler |
| 03:38.05 | quittt | how do I make Gnome menu be updated in KDE? |
| 03:38.13 | Flimzy | MitchK: man ipchains |
| 03:38.13 | baver|laptop | bucky: that's dsupposeto go in the device section? |
| 03:38.31 | Flimzy | !tell malice9610 about msg |
| 03:38.32 | dendrite | MitchK: I generally have a script that I run, that just resets everything... |
| 03:38.33 | x1bncwn | ipchains? |
| 03:38.34 | a_monkey | g++ is part of gcc |
| 03:38.39 | x1bncwn | heh, hah |
| 03:38.49 | Flimzy | a_monkey: g++ is not part of the gcc package |
| 03:38.52 | a_monkey | oh |
| 03:39.00 | Flimzy | a_monkey: g++ is in the g++ package |
| 03:39.05 | chealer | fcrick: I talked to you about knoppix because it's based on debian. I don't think knoppmyth is :? |
| 03:39.26 | x1bncwn | MitchK have you considered using iptables as opposed to ipchains?, that is unless your using a 2.2 kernel |
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| 03:39.49 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: If he has working ipchains scripts, there's probably no reason to upgrade. |
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| 03:39.56 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: Unless he likes unnecessary complexity. |
| 03:39.57 | fcrick | yeah its just Knoppix but it auto-installs stuff you need for MythTV i think |
| 03:40.01 | x1bncwn | ipchains isnt stateful |
| 03:40.09 | x1bncwn | and doesnt have a multitude of matches |
| 03:40.15 | x1bncwn | and NAT |
| 03:40.19 | x1bncwn | etc,etc |
| 03:40.22 | a_monkey | anyway, when i try to start an X session, i get this error: "RADEON: No valid modes found" or something similar. |
| 03:40.25 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: Like I said... "If he has working ipchains scripts" |
| 03:40.26 | a_monkey | can somebody help? |
| 03:40.33 | chealer | fcrick: well it might be a good idea then |
| 03:40.35 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: If he needs those features, then his ipchains scripts obviously aren't working for him. |
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| 03:40.39 | x1bncwn | working doesnt mean superior |
| 03:40.44 | x1bncwn | iptables = superior |
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| 03:41.02 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: iptables is only superior if the functionality you need isn't in ipchains |
| 03:41.06 | x1bncwn | why switch to 2.6? 2.0 works fine |
| 03:41.13 | dendrite | x1bncwn: ipchains does nat -- it's called masquerade, fwiw. |
| 03:41.18 | jcarr | I dont understand grub notation for devices |
| 03:41.23 | FieldySnuts | heh. 2.0 |
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| 03:41.30 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: If 2.0 works fine for you, I would advise you not to upgrade to 2.6. (I would probably advise an upgrade to 2.4, for secrity updates, however) |
| 03:41.38 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: "If it ain't broke don't fix it" |
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| 03:41.44 | x1bncwn | no,no |
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| 03:41.55 | x1bncwn | 'if it aint broke, break it, then fix it' |
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| 03:42.12 | alejandro | if I have a text file with some package names, how do I install/remove them? (are ~280) |
| 03:42.13 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: You use that philosophy on your network, then. Let the newbies do something that makes sense. |
| 03:42.23 | jcarr | how do I put something like /dev/hdc in grub speak? |
| 03:42.46 | x1bncwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.50 | x1bncwn | ? |
| 03:42.55 | slackd00d | is it easy to install the nvidia driver? ive done it before but dont remember |
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| 03:43.13 | Flimzy | slackd00d: That depends on your definition of 'easy', and on the method you use. |
| 03:43.15 | dendrite | alejandro: I'd probably just turn that into a shell script that does it. |
| 03:43.28 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.35 | alejandro | dendrite, nice one :))) |
| 03:43.39 | Flimzy | slackd00d: It has become possible to do it relatively easily. But it's still not as easy as using a driver that's open and comes with XF86 |
| 03:43.44 | alejandro | !tfti dendrite |
| 03:43.45 | dpkg | Thanks For The Info, dendrite! |
| 03:43.47 | jcarr | bucky, hdc1 shows up as hd0,0 ?? |
| 03:43.47 | slackd00d | Flimzy: just a couple of apt-get install's =) |
| 03:43.52 | dendrite | alejandro: Well, are the files one to a line? |
| 03:43.59 | Flimzy | slackd00d: Yeah, and a few make-kpkg's and dpkg -i's |
| 03:44.22 | chealer | although not necessarily |
| 03:44.24 | dendrite | alejandro: You can either put a ' \' on the end of each line (except the last), and put apt-get remove --purge \ on the first line... |
| 03:44.26 | Flimzy | slackd00d: It's covered in /usr/share/doc/<whatever the package is called that has the drivers in it>/README or so |
| 03:44.33 | chealer | !tell slackd00d about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:44.34 | alejandro | dendrite, only one line ;) |
| 03:44.45 | slackd00d | chealer: thanks =) |
| 03:44.46 | alejandro | dendrite, thanks :) |
| 03:45.20 | Flimzy | alejandro: cat foo.txt | while read n; do dpkg --purge $n; done |
| 03:45.21 | dendrite | alejandro: Or you can just try something like for i in `cat textfile`; do apt-get remove --purge $i; done -- but then you'll get noise when a previous operation removes something down the file. |
| 03:45.30 | Flimzy | alejandro: that's a quick way. You could do dendrite's method as well. |
| 03:45.38 | dendrite | alejandro: Or, am I completely missing your question? |
| 03:45.42 | Flimzy | alejandro: his method is probably more efficient. |
| 03:45.42 | x1bncwn | spaces |
| 03:45.56 | x1bncwn | cat file | while read; do |
| 03:46.00 | x1bncwn | or set IFS |
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| 03:46.26 | alejandro | dendrite, yes, that's what i want, but i will go with the script :) |
| 03:46.28 | slackd00d | cant i just get the nvidia bin from nvidia.com and run that? |
| 03:46.41 | Flimzy | slackd00d: Sure. |
| 03:46.44 | x1bncwn | yer spose to quote "$i" to |
| 03:46.46 | Flimzy | slackd00d: But it's not guaranteed to work |
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| 03:47.03 | baver|laptop | bucky: adding those lines didn't work in the devices section |
| 03:47.06 | Flimzy | slackd00d: And is almost certian to get fubared when you upgrade other things in Debian |
| 03:47.08 | slackd00d | why is that? |
| 03:47.12 | chealer | slackd00d: and not recommended for debian |
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| 03:47.22 | jackrabbit | I have a bind problem, we just passed over domain management to the ISP.. still keeping our dns servers for internal resolution.. I tried changing the A record to point to the ISP web server .. it does not like this... still goes to the server we have internally |
| 03:47.27 | bucky | baver|laptop, underneath Driver "vesa" ? |
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| 03:47.38 | slackd00d | ok, ill jjust use the 1 liner...but i make my own kernel, do i still need the kernel-headers package? |
| 03:47.44 | slackd00d | make = made |
| 03:47.47 | dendrite | jackrabbit: You want a forwarder stanza. |
| 03:47.48 | x1bncwn | is there any way to get 'true' color on a box with only 4mb video ram |
| 03:47.59 | baver|laptop | bucky: oh, under vesa, or neomagic? it works fine with just vesa, I thought you meant to add it under the actual driver |
| 03:48.04 | jackrabbit | dendrite: how is this setup ? |
| 03:48.06 | x1bncwn | i can get 1280x1024-16 but not 24bit |
| 03:48.08 | mwilson | x1bncwn: Do the math. |
| 03:48.14 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: If you set the resolution low enough. |
| 03:48.16 | x1bncwn | would using the fbdev device make any diff? |
| 03:48.27 | x1bncwn | or driver, or whatever |
| 03:48.29 | mwilson | No, doing the math would make a difference. |
| 03:48.39 | jcarr | so.. any ideas how I should put windows on hdc2 in my grub? hdc1 is listed as (hd0,0) |
| 03:48.41 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: Does using fbdev give you more physical video RAM? |
| 03:48.41 | chealer | !tell slackd00d about nvidia howto |
| 03:48.44 | jcarr | I'm so confused... |
| 03:48.47 | x1bncwn | well im thinking it got 24bit on windows |
| 03:48.49 | Pythe | hey -I noticed you talking about neomagic... using an HP laptop there? |
| 03:48.52 | dendrite | forwarders { ip.of.your.isp; another.ip.to.use; } |
| 03:48.56 | x1bncwn | so thats the reason for my question |
| 03:48.59 | jcarr | so would hdc2 be listed as (hd1,0)? |
| 03:48.59 | mwilson | x1bncwn: You'd be wrong. |
| 03:48.59 | chealer | slackd00d: the one-liner doesn't work with custom kernel |
| 03:49.01 | bucky | baver|laptop, like i said there's a line in /etc/XF86Config-4 that says Driver "vesa" ... put those two lines right underneath that |
| 03:49.02 | x1bncwn | it did |
| 03:49.06 | x1bncwn | it had win98 on it before |
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| 03:49.10 | dendrite | jackrabbit: Mine is in '/etc/bind/named.conf.options' |
| 03:49.20 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: If you had 24 bit in Windows, it was at a lower resolution, obviously. |
| 03:49.21 | chealer | slackd00d: the howto also compares nvidia-installer with the debian way |
| 03:49.22 | dendrite | jackrabbit: forwarders { ip.of.your.isp; another.ip.to.use; } |
| 03:49.22 | alejandro | ok, maybe i ask before i do something stupid, I just installed debian and gnome. something is going wrong so i can't open nautilus (no error message in the console) |
| 03:49.32 | x1bncwn | well i know that, but i dont want 800x600 |
| 03:49.33 | slackd00d | chealer: thanks agian |
| 03:49.39 | x1bncwn | and im not really sure how to 'do the math' |
| 03:49.44 | alejandro | and I can't figure it out what is the problem |
| 03:49.47 | baver|laptop | bucky: to what point? it works fine with just "vesa".... |
| 03:50.02 | Pythe | x1bncwn: You using an HP Omibook over there? |
| 03:50.04 | baver|laptop | bucky: I'm not following why.... |
| 03:50.09 | dendrite | alejandro: Look for recently modified files in your home directory, with 'ls -lart' |
| 03:50.15 | x1bncwn | no, and old pos celeron emachines i think it is |
| 03:50.16 | dendrite | alejandro: Maybe one of them is an error log. |
| 03:50.20 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: You should be able to get 24bpp at 640x480 on that card. |
| 03:50.22 | Pythe | I see |
| 03:50.40 | bucky | baver|laptop, it worked for me when i had that problem... i'm not saying to change your driver |
| 03:50.40 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: Well, "the math" is really quite simple... |
| 03:50.57 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: 16 bpp (bits per pixel) means for every pixel, it uses 16 bits of data (like, duh) |
| 03:50.59 | x1bncwn | ok, how mnay bits per mb? |
| 03:51.07 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
| 03:51.10 | x1bncwn | ok |
| 03:51.14 | bucky | baver|laptop, so your cursor is just fine? |
| 03:51.15 | jcarr | fuck it.. I am going to make it hd1,0 reboot and try |
| 03:51.16 | baver|laptop | bucky: hrm, according to a debian list message, using Option SWCursor might help' |
| 03:51.18 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: At 1280x768, how many pixels do you use? |
| 03:51.30 | baver|laptop | bucky: when using the vesa driver, yes. when using the neomagic driver, no |
| 03:51.34 | x1bncwn | 1280x1024 16bit |
| 03:51.51 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: So multiply those numbers together to get the number of bits necessary |
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| 03:51.58 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: (strange how that makes sense, huh?) |
| 03:52.09 | dendrite | !barbie math is so hard |
| 03:52.09 | dpkg | dendrite: okay |
| 03:52.13 | dendrite | Argh. |
| 03:52.20 | mwilson | x1bncwn: Actually, I owe you an apology... it's enough RAM, but it doesn't mean that the card will do it. |
| 03:52.27 | mwilson | Barely enough. |
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| 03:52.50 | alejandro | xsession-errors |
| 03:53.02 | mwilson | Flimzy: 3932160 bytes, if the card only uses 3 bytes per pixel. |
| 03:53.07 | alejandro | but there is not so much info about it.... |
| 03:53.15 | mwilson | Flimzy: If it uses four, he's SOL. |
| 03:53.17 | dendrite | alejandro: Probably .xsession-errors -- with that leading dot to make it hidden. |
| 03:53.30 | streuner__ | !factinfo barbie math |
| 03:53.30 | dpkg | barbie math -- created by dendrite <~ph@dsl093-083-117.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> 1m 21s ago; it has been requested once, last by streuner__, 20s ago. |
| 03:53.34 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: What chipset is your card using? |
| 03:53.43 | Pythe | does anyone here use a Netgear MA521 or another RealTek 8180 based WiFi card? I |
| 03:53.49 | streuner__ | dendrite: do you realize that the factoid still exist? |
| 03:54.00 | x1bncwn | ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage IIC AGP (rev 7a) |
| 03:54.05 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: Some chipset don't support certian bit-depth/resolution combinations very well |
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| 03:54.07 | x1bncwn | that? or the intel agp? |
| 03:54.08 | alejandro | dendrite, yes, is just i only selected the text without the . |
| 03:54.09 | alejandro | :) |
| 03:54.10 | baver|laptop | bucky: ok, fixed with the software cursor function |
| 03:54.11 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: (or at all) |
| 03:54.11 | dendrite | streuner__: Yes, but I don't intentionally set the bot. |
| 03:54.17 | x1bncwn | 440LX/EX - 82443LX/EX AGP bridge (rev 03) |
| 03:54.17 | alejandro | well, lets reboot and see :) |
| 03:54.23 | baver|laptop | bucky: thanks for the help; the hwcursor line actually led me in the right direction |
| 03:54.26 | bucky | baver|laptop, glad you thought of it |
| 03:54.41 | Flimzy | x1bncwn: I've never used that chipset, so I can't comment out of personal experience whether that will work |
| 03:54.42 | streuner__ | dendrite: dpkg, forget factoid would remove it. |
| 03:54.53 | dendrite | streuner__: I leave that to it's masters, and I didn't mean to set a factoid, and don't know where the documentation is to unset it, so I'll leave it alone.. |
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| 03:55.14 | dendrite | streuner__: As in "!forget barbie" ? |
| 03:55.23 | streuner__ | yep |
| 03:55.31 | dendrite | !forget barbie |
| 03:55.31 | dpkg | i forgot barbie, dendrite |
| 03:55.34 | streuner__ | dpkg, forget barbie math |
| 03:55.34 | dpkg | streuner__: i forgot barbie math |
| 03:55.40 | Flimzy | probably !forget barbie math is hard |
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| 03:56.09 | dendrite | Heh. Math is nothing compared to this maze of elsewhere-documented bot speak. |
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| 03:57.02 | streuner__ | dpkg, barbie is <reply> Reading the manual is HARD! |
| 03:57.02 | dpkg | okay, streuner__ |
| 03:57.02 | chealer | blootbot's doc is pretty partial |
| 03:57.32 | chealer | at least out of the package (which install's broke) |
| 03:57.42 | sussudio | blootbot.... doc? |
| 03:57.50 | chealer | s/install's broken/install was broken for me |
| 03:57.51 | Pythe | I don't mean to spam my question a lot here, but I think it got lost in an earlier flood... what's the ettiqite for that? |
| 03:58.21 | sussudio | Pythe: It wasn't a question |
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| 03:58.41 | alejandro_ | dendrite, done, its working now, thanks :) |
| 03:58.51 | Pythe | eh? I see... |
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| 03:59.09 | MitchK | Flimzy: ipchains.. ar you mad |
| 03:59.18 | sussudio | !tell Pythe about ask |
| 03:59.38 | Flimzy | MitchK: Welcome to 20 minutes ago. |
| 04:00.10 | Pythe | right then, here goes again. |
| 04:00.13 | Pythe | does anyone here use a Netgear MA521 or another RealTek 8180 based WiFi card? I need some help setting up my drivers... |
| 04:00.24 | sussudio | Pythe: umm. are you stupid? |
| 04:00.28 | Flimzy | !tell Pythe about ask |
| 04:00.31 | Pythe | maybe.. |
| 04:00.40 | sussudio | Flimzy: yes, i did that a minute ago |
| 04:00.54 | Flimzy | sussudio: ah |
| 04:01.06 | sussudio | Flimzy: _before_ he did it again |
| 04:01.15 | Flimzy | sussudio: Maybe he'll learn eventually. |
| 04:01.26 | sussudio | Flimzy: i doubtit |
| 04:01.30 | Pythe | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. <this part?> If somebody knows, they'll |
| 04:01.31 | Pythe | answer <or this one?> |
| 04:01.45 | sussudio | no, Pythe: this bit "Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. " |
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| 04:02.08 | Pythe | Oh, I thought that meand specifically asking about foo... |
| 04:02.13 | Pythe | *meant |
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| 04:02.19 | dondelelcaro | Pythe: just ask your actual question that you're going to ask after someone tells you that they use a ma521 or 8180 |
| 04:02.20 | sussudio | :-| |
| 04:02.34 | Flimzy | Pythe: So... do you know about or use foo? |
| 04:02.41 | chealer | !tell Pythe about foo |
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| 04:02.50 | Pythe | ok, I need assistance setting up a realtek 8191 driver. |
| 04:02.55 | dendrite | Pythe: Part of the issue is that the real question you need to ask is not if someone uses foo, but if anyone can help you with a _specific_ configuration issue... |
| 04:03.15 | Pythe | mm hmm |
| 04:03.19 | nevyn | Pythe: 8191 is that a 802.11 card? |
| 04:03.24 | ugexe | VFS: Cannot open root device sda1 or unknown-block(0,0); VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) <-- I am getting a kernel packic because of those, however sda1 works on my other kernel and the correct fs support is built into the new kernel. i tried make-kpkg initrd since the new kernel doesnt have a initrd line in grub but it said it couldnt find a target for "all" |
| 04:03.25 | Pythe | yes, it is |
| 04:03.25 | dendrite | Pythe: Note that if you describe what you've tried, and what sorts of error messages you've encountered, then maybe we can help even without specific experience. |
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| 04:03.47 | Pythe | Ok, I see |
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| 04:04.19 | Flimzy | Pythe: Try a question along these lines: I have a RealTek WiFi card which uses ____ chipset. I have tried installing it, but I get the error message "____________" when I run insmod. Can someone tell me what this means? |
| 04:04.41 | dendrite | ugexe: Is this a debian kernel, or some other tree? |
| 04:05.16 | ugexe | dendrite: i used apt-get install kernel-source which i believe is patched for debian |
| 04:05.18 | Flimzy | Pythe: Or "I have a ____ card, and don't have a clue how to install it. I've searched google for 3 hours and found no helpful results, and the kernel documentation seems void of any mention of my card. Can anyone tell me if I'm overlooking a vital resource for information on my card?" |
| 04:05.44 | dendrite | ugexe: Ah. I was asking because initrd built with make-kpkg needs that patch... |
| 04:06.04 | dendrite | ugexe: Is there a way you can just compile in the required boot drivers monolithically? |
| 04:06.18 | dendrite | ugexe: Also, is this a SATA drive? |
| 04:06.24 | ugexe | dendrite: yes sata drive |
| 04:06.32 | dendrite | ugexe: Because there is/was an issue with that... In the bts. |
| 04:06.34 | ugexe | and i have no initrd.img file for this new kernel |
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| 04:07.22 | dendrite | ugexe: Take a look at the BTS for initrd-tools. There's a bit of stuff that looks related. |
| 04:07.34 | ugexe | dendrite: ok |
| 04:07.35 | dendrite | ugexe: 290474 may be relevant. |
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| 04:08.07 | jcarr | argh, I tried (hd0,1), (hd0, 2), ),(hd1, 0) and (hd1,1) |
| 04:08.09 | jcarr | no luck |
| 04:08.10 | jcarr | dammit |
| 04:08.28 | dendrite | jcarr: What's the drive device name? |
| 04:08.31 | Pythe | I have a Netgear WiFi card which uses RealTek 8180 chipset. I have tried installing it(using the binary driver for RH7.3), but I get the error message "rtl8180_24x.o: unresolved symbol pci_register_driver(more of these follow)" when I run |
| 04:08.32 | Pythe | insmod -f. Can someone tell me what this means? |
| 04:08.45 | streuner__ | !dbugs 290474 |
| 04:08.49 | dpkg | #290474:[initrd-tools] kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686: impossible to mount the root partition on a SATA disk |
| 04:08.52 | dendrite | Pythe: you can't just mix and match kernel drivers like that. |
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| 04:09.04 | Pythe | yeah that's what I was thinking |
| 04:09.07 | dendrite | Pythe: Assuming you're not running that flavor of RedHat... |
| 04:09.07 | ugexe | this is kernel 2.6.8 |
| 04:09.17 | ^c | dendrite: the drive device name does not necessarily equate with the grub name |
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| 04:09.32 | dendrite | ^c: Isn't it a good starting point? |
| 04:09.46 | streuner__ | ugexe: that is a bug in the kernel-image 2.6.10 itself... |
| 04:09.59 | ^c | debian: yes, but my hd is /deb/hdc, and is hd(0,0) |
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| 04:10.12 | ^c | jcarr: have you tried (hd0,0) |
| 04:10.22 | ugexe | streuner__: yes but i dont have kernel-image 2.6.10 |
| 04:10.25 | streuner__ | ugexe: in other words, it has nothing to do with your problem.. |
| 04:10.27 | ^c | s/deb/dev |
| 04:10.36 | ugexe | streuner__: ok |
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| 04:10.49 | dondelelcaro | damnit... I must stop talking about religion and finish grading stupid midterms |
| 04:10.58 | dendrite | jcarr: I believe the second number might want to be 0, for the MBR. Not sure though. |
| 04:11.00 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
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| 04:11.07 | Endo_ | just curious; what file does xfree use for user startup apps? ive tried like 10 different files but nothings loading :/ |
| 04:11.23 | jcarr | dendrite, sorry, I was away |
| 04:11.27 | jcarr | the device is /dev/hdc2 |
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| 04:11.37 | Pythe | Now, with this RH driver, I *do* have source to compile from. Would compiling it against my own kernel help? or are drivers generally just incompatible with other kernels? |
| 04:11.47 | ^c | jcarr: try (hd2,1) |
| 04:11.52 | ugexe | brb |
| 04:11.59 | rdancer | do we have an unsupported install-only kernel in sarge *again*?: kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 and kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 04:12.23 | philv | For some reason I can't get status from my tape drive, but on boot, when the SCSI stuff loads, it detects all the information from the tape drive... anybody have any thoughts? I'm using kernel-image 2.6.8 FWIW. |
| 04:12.39 | rdancer | why do the kernel packages in debian suck so hard? |
| 04:12.48 | stazich | hi, could anyone please tell me where the file which i configure for Xfree86 located??? |
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| 04:12.54 | streuner__ | rdancer: they don't |
| 04:12.59 | gravity | rdancer: They do? They've worked great for me for a long time. |
| 04:13.01 | rdancer | streuner__: hahaha |
| 04:13.17 | chealer | rdancer: what's an install-only kernel? |
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| 04:13.40 | chealer | !drxx stazich |
| 04:13.41 | dpkg | stazich: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 04:13.42 | streuner__ | chealer: he means prolly some bf2.4 version kernel |
| 04:13.49 | stazich | whats that? |
| 04:13.56 | rdancer | !tell chealer about real kernel |
| 04:14.12 | stazich | !drxx |
| 04:14.12 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
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| 04:14.27 | streuner__ | rdancer: 'unsupported'? |
| 04:14.29 | Pythe | !tell pythe about real kernel |
| 04:14.46 | stazich | i dont have it in the shell |
| 04:14.52 | dendrite | Endo_: You mean .xsession? |
| 04:14.54 | rdancer | streuner__: sure... bf kernels have no updates in woody |
| 04:15.06 | chealer | stazich: a command to do it the debian way. otherwise for manual edit, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:15.10 | Endo_ | dendrite: well thats one i tried... nothing happens :S |
| 04:15.16 | stazich | thanx |
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| 04:15.18 | rdancer | streuner__: and kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 seems to be a dead end, too -- no kernel-headers, for example |
| 04:15.18 | dendrite | Endo_: As in ~/.xsession ? |
| 04:15.23 | Endo_ | yea |
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| 04:15.40 | dendrite | Endo_: Try running startx thusly: strace -eopen startx |
| 04:16.05 | dendrite | Endo_: And then look through the text output in the terminal, to see what files it's trying to open... |
| 04:16.05 | streuner__ | rdancer: sounds like a question for #debian-boot |
| 04:16.07 | rdancer | streuner__: and i don't mean bf24: 2.2 kernels on the woody boot-floppies are not upgraded either |
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| 04:16.24 | streuner__ | rdancer: that was an example... |
| 04:16.29 | Endo_ | dont have startx.. only options i got are X X11 and XFree86 |
| 04:16.38 | Pythe | ergh maybe I should switch to sarge or something... |
| 04:16.45 | rdancer | i think it's a question for installing a real OS |
| 04:16.49 | Endo_ | but ill do it with that one |
| 04:17.09 | dendrite | Endo_: You should have startx -- is xbase-clients package installed? |
| 04:17.50 | Endo_ | dendrite: apparently not |
| 04:17.56 | dendrite | Endo_: startx is the preferred way to start X from a console... |
| 04:18.09 | bucky | rdancer, kernel packages in debian don't suck... they're made so idiots like you can apt-cahe search kernel-image and find one that suit your hardware |
| 04:18.18 | rdancer | bucky: haha |
| 04:18.26 | Endo_ | dendrite: its what i used before, only it came as a dependancy :p |
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| 04:19.08 | dendrite | Endo_: startx? Yeah, I'd expect it to be installed as a dependency. |
| 04:19.24 | rdancer | bucky: unless you can tell me what is the kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 package for, please stfu |
| 04:19.47 | bucky | rdancer, kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 is the sarge installer image |
| 04:19.51 | bucky | fo stfu |
| 04:19.53 | chealer | rdancer: what's a Debian install kernel? |
| 04:20.10 | Endo_ | dendrite: for some reason nothign really was... i needed to go add fonts myself and some xkb stuff and now these... maybe im just dumb and goofed somewhere |
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| 04:20.21 | streuner__ | chealer: typical example is bf2.4 kernels |
| 04:20.24 | jcarr | ththat wasnt it... :( |
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| 04:20.33 | dendrite | Endo_: Rather odd... What flavor of Debian are you running? |
| 04:20.45 | dondelelcaro | Endo_: if you don't know exactly what packages to install, you probably wanted to install x-window-system; or x-window-system-core; |
| 04:20.49 | Endo_ | lastest... did ftp install |
| 04:21.31 | Endo_ | perhaps next time i should try an installer instead of doing packages myself lol |
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| 04:22.07 | dondelelcaro | Endo_: you can do whatever you want.... you just need to know what packages to install |
| 04:22.09 | dendrite | Endo_: Almost the entire point of Debian is it's package management system... I don't know why one would go and do it by hand. |
| 04:22.38 | Pythe | Ok, new Question: I am trying to install ndiswrapper (ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net). To build the modules I run the command "fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules". The build errors out saying "make: dh_tesdir: Command not found." I see a command in debian/rules that says "export DH_OPTIONS" with no = after it. Is this a common problem? What *is* this dh_testdir? |
| 04:23.03 | jcarr | dendrite, any other ideas on finding out how to put /dev/hdc2 in grub? |
| 04:23.04 | rdancer | bucky: clever boy... now why aren't there any corresponding kernel-headers? |
| 04:23.12 | bucky | rdancer, if you would have RTFM before installing you would have known this |
| 04:23.12 | Endo_ | dendrite: i mean doing the apt-get myself... the base system was still done automaticly... i just went and got xfree server... but i guess i got the wrong package or something |
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| 04:23.16 | dendrite | Pythe: dh_testdir is in the debhelper package. |
| 04:23.30 | Pythe | that explains some :) |
| 04:23.31 | rdancer | bucky: RTFM what? |
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| 04:23.40 | chealer | rdancer: what means bf? do these kernel still exist in sarge? |
| 04:23.42 | rdancer | s/M what/which M/ |
| 04:23.54 | dendrite | Endo_: What window manager did you install? |
| 04:23.54 | bucky | rdancer, what a FM? |
| 04:23.59 | streuner__ | rdancer: because you usually don't need them? |
| 04:24.04 | rdancer | !bf24 |
| 04:24.04 | dpkg | from memory, bf2.4 is boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
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| 04:24.15 | dendrite | jcarr: Sorry, I'm not entirely clear myself on grub math... |
| 04:24.16 | rdancer | bucky: which manual? |
| 04:24.28 | bucky | rdancer, exactly proves my point |
| 04:24.47 | rdancer | bucky: i mean, i'm not going to read the whole install manual, no |
| 04:24.48 | streuner__ | rdancer: usually you need kernel-headers to 'upgrade' modules for an existing kernel, bf2.4 wasn't designed for that purpose. |
| 04:24.53 | Endo_ | dendrite: aewm |
| 04:25.12 | dendrite | Endo_: What happens if you do apt-get install aewm ? |
| 04:25.13 | Pythe | dendrite: thanks man, the build went further this time :-p |
| 04:25.19 | dendrite | Endo_: After an apt-get update, of course... |
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| 04:25.40 | chealer | rdancer: bf is install only, but pure kernel-image is a real kernel? |
| 04:25.44 | dendrite | Pythe: Reminds me of when I was building Cinelerra... |
| 04:25.51 | Pythe | lol |
| 04:25.53 | rdancer | bucky: i think it proves i have somewhat more real life than you, therefore less time... |
| 04:25.59 | bucky | rdancer, apt-cache search kernel-image && upgrade that install kernel you have |
| 04:26.30 | bucky | rdancer, then apt-cache search kernel-headers and get the headers that match your new kernel |
| 04:26.40 | rdancer | bucky: which kernel should i chose? |
| 04:26.55 | bucky | rdancer, or just build your own kernel if your know what the hell your doing |
| 04:27.04 | rdancer | or, how do i know which kernel to chose? -1 looks as good to me as -2, or -69 -- the description is the same |
| 04:27.15 | Endo_ | dendrite: after update... nothing |
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| 04:27.30 | dendrite | Endo_: OK, now try that install command... |
| 04:27.31 | madsen | Yo! |
| 04:27.45 | dendrite | Endo_: the update just syncs your apt sources. |
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| 04:28.18 | Endo_ | dendrite: yea, after i ran update, the install command said 0 new packages, 0 update packages ect. |
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| 04:28.50 | orfeu | how i can install nvidia drivers on sarge ??? |
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| 04:29.04 | bucky | rdancer, debian assumes you know the difference between an athlon and a P4 ... etc |
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| 04:29.04 | rdancer | chealer: real kernel is whatever the debian kernel maintainers chose the real kernel to be -- this is what this whole flame is all about |
| 04:29.05 | dendrite | And you don't have startx? What happens if you run apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 04:29.12 | streuner__ | orfeu: /msg dpkg nividia |
| 04:29.15 | Endo_ | well i just installed it |
| 04:29.19 | Endo_ | so i got startx now |
| 04:29.26 | pook | i seem to be having problems with alsa, i'm using the 2.6.10 kernel and no sound will come out |
| 04:29.26 | jstevens | orfeu: you sure you need to? the nv drivers are pretty good |
| 04:29.38 | Pythe | Okay... so now the build errored out after checking for the kernel sources in "/lib/modules/2.2.20-compact/build" This build folder doesn't exist, I'm assuming that's because of my compact option. what package should I be looking for to get this build folder? |
| 04:29.41 | orfeu | jstevens i need for tux racer :) |
| 04:29.41 | madsen | I'm currently fetching the source pkg for php4, but how do I build it? |
| 04:29.42 | streuner__ | ofeu: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 04:29.42 | chealer | jstevens: *cough* 3d |
| 04:29.45 | dendrite | Endo_: It's possible tht aewm has some missing dependencies. |
| 04:30.23 | jstevens | orfeu: OIC |
| 04:30.23 | orfeu | thanx streuner__ and the rest |
| 04:30.23 | bucky | rdancer, why should anyone here bother to tell you why debian just copies the kernel off the install media for the initial kernel |
| 04:30.23 | bob2 | Pythe: don't bother |
| 04:30.23 | jstevens | chealer: :-) got ya |
| 04:30.23 | bob2 | Pythe: get a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel and try again |
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| 04:30.23 | dendrite | Endo_: Just curious, why aewm? |
| 04:30.24 | pook | is there anyone here who is an alsa pro? |
| 04:30.24 | Endo_ | dendrite: minimalist |
| 04:30.40 | chealer | madsen: apt-get -b source foo |
| 04:30.41 | quittt | where can I find N64 roms? |
| 04:30.42 | madsen | pook: Not pro... But what's your problem= |
| 04:30.43 | elPepo | hi friends |
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| 04:31.01 | dendrite | Endo_: Gotcha. |
| 04:31.11 | madsen | chealer: Cool! THanks... I'll need to mess a little around with the build parameters though... |
| 04:31.20 | chealer | quittt: does that qualify for topic? |
| 04:31.21 | madsen | quittt: Google |
| 04:31.45 | pook | madsen: well, i've done pretty much everything that has been suggested and i'm completely stumped....it seems as tho the drivers are working properly, but when i try to play sound nothing comes out |
| 04:31.47 | bob2 | quittt: go away |
| 04:31.48 | Endo_ | dendrite: well thanks for the help... perhaps if i uninstall all these x* packages and start over it might work right lol |
| 04:31.53 | bob2 | this is not a warez channel |
| 04:31.56 | ^c | quittt: on n64 cartridges |
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| 04:32.10 | dendrite | pook: run alsamixer, and make sure the volume is up. |
| 04:32.17 | pook | yes, its up... |
| 04:32.17 | bob2 | pook: and that it's unmuted |
| 04:32.21 | madsen | pook: It's not because you haven't turned up the volume, right? :) (I think it defaults to 0.) |
| 04:32.25 | bob2 | and unmuting is not the same as turning the volume up |
| 04:32.28 | pook | i have |
| 04:32.30 | dendrite | Endo_: Uninstall probably won't help. I suspect missing deps in aewm... |
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| 04:32.31 | bob2 | it defaults to muted, not 0 |
| 04:32.34 | pook | that's the first thing people suggest |
| 04:32.38 | madsen | bob2: Oh, ok... |
| 04:32.44 | x0563511 | can i ask a question? |
| 04:32.48 | rdancer | bucky: because there is no earthly reason these things don't work out of the box. |
| 04:32.51 | bucky | rdancer, why should anyone here bother to tell you why debian just copies the kernel off the install media for the initial kernel |
| 04:32.51 | dendrite | x0563511: You just did. |
| 04:32.54 | x0563511 | lol |
| 04:32.56 | rdancer | s/don't/shouldn't/ |
| 04:32.58 | pook | madsen: what's happening to me is a common problem....i've just never seen any solutions |
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| 04:33.00 | quittt | do you know N64 emulator? |
| 04:33.01 | Endo_ | dendrite: i suspect broken X for some reason.. donno why |
| 04:33.06 | bob2 | quittt: go away |
| 04:33.07 | rdancer | bucky: and i hear you well |
| 04:33.07 | Pythe | bob2: I'd love to up the kernel. do you know of any guides to this end? |
| 04:33.13 | madsen | pook: It is? |
| 04:33.13 | x0563511 | I want to run a NAT server with DHCP (think like windows' Internet Connection Sharing) |
| 04:33.15 | quittt | bob2, make me go away |
| 04:33.19 | pook | yah, i've googled it |
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| 04:33.24 | chealer | rdancer: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 is an install only kernel too? |
| 04:33.25 | dondelelcaro | bob2: heh |
| 04:33.30 | dendrite | Endo_: Perhaps try a different wm. Blackbox is pretty minimalistic. There are other ones too. |
| 04:33.31 | streuner__ | haha |
| 04:33.35 | Pythe | bob2: n1, m8 :-p |
| 04:33.36 | bob2 | Pythe: install kernel-image-2.4.X and follow the instructions it gives you should be enough |
| 04:33.37 | pook | it seems as tho it could possibly be a problem with 2.6...but i'm not sure |
| 04:33.37 | bucky | rdancer, have you printed out your refund form from the website? |
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| 04:33.38 | ^c | @cigar bob2 |
| 04:33.49 | quittt | bob2, since when roms are warez? |
| 04:33.52 | x0563511 | pook: are you pook from FreeAllegiance? |
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| 04:33.59 | pook | no... |
| 04:33.59 | chealer | someone should listen to quittt for once |
| 04:34.00 | dondelelcaro | quittt: since they were copyrighted. |
| 04:34.01 | bob2 | quittt: find me a single DFSG-Free n64 rom and you can stay |
| 04:34.05 | bob2 | quittt: else piss off |
| 04:34.06 | pook | what is that? |
| 04:34.14 | quittt | bob2, well I am asking now for an emulator... and there is Opensource emulators out there |
| 04:34.14 | nexo | anyone know why i get a gtk error when i try to start firefox as a normal user (even when su'd), but as root itself it works fine? |
| 04:34.25 | x0563511 | pook: www.freeallegiance.org its a windows game. The administrator is Pook |
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| 04:34.34 | x0563511 | anyways... |
| 04:34.38 | pook | ...oh..no its a coincidence |
| 04:34.51 | dendrite | Endo_: I generally install icewm on low power machines that want an X display... |
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| 04:35.17 | x0563511 | So can anyone tell me what i would want to install to get NAT listening on a particular interface? |
| 04:35.17 | elPepo | please, Ive configured my exim4 to send mails to internet, but the mail servers catch my mails like spam ... how do I fix that = |
| 04:35.21 | Endo_ | dendrite: will try, thanks man |
| 04:35.23 | rdancer | chealer: apparently, kernel-image-2.6.8-386 is the real kernel. but i really don't know |
| 04:35.23 | theaptitude | dendrite, check out LWM, it's really neat |
| 04:35.28 | pook | i'm just trying to find that one person who might give me a different path to go along in my quest to get alsa working |
| 04:35.30 | ^c | Endo_: try fvwm, it works great on slower machines, and it is possible to configure it to look like most any wm |
| 04:35.54 | dendrite | theaptitude: Next time I'm in that situation, I'll try to remember to try lwm, thanks. |
| 04:35.57 | chealer | rdancer: how can you know what's the real kernel? |
| 04:36.09 | madsen | Ok, did an apt-get source php4 and altered the "rules" file... Now how do I build it? |
| 04:36.13 | madsen | And install it. |
| 04:36.16 | Pythe | elPepo: what kind of connection do you have? |
| 04:36.40 | bucky | rdancer, what are you going to do.. upgrade your 8086 to a 2.6.x kernel ? |
| 04:36.49 | dondelelcaro | madsen: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; apt-get build-dep php4; fakeroot debian/rules binary; dpkg -i ../php4-blahblah.deb; |
| 04:36.53 | x0563511 | so no one can help me? I want NAT running on eth0, my WAN link is wlan0 |
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| 04:37.04 | elPepo | dial-up but im using ddns with http://ddns.nu/ |
| 04:37.04 | pook | madsen: I did find this one site where a guy, with my exact machine, got alsa working, but he had 2.6.9....I'm using 2.6.10....not sure if that makes a difference |
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| 04:37.39 | ^c | pook: it shouldn't |
| 04:37.44 | drac | x0563511: You haven't asked anything. What is the problem? |
| 04:37.45 | pook | http://lyapu.dsi.unifi.it/~materassi/gatewaym320.html |
| 04:37.51 | madsen | dondelelcaro: That was a hell of a lot to do for such a simple task... |
| 04:37.54 | dondelelcaro | !masq |
| 04:37.54 | pook | that's my machine |
| 04:37.54 | dpkg | masq is, like, See: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L, or >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html << url has changed |
| 04:38.05 | x0563511 | cant open link, im in ircII in a terminal |
| 04:38.07 | madsen | pook: I don't think that should be a problem... |
| 04:38.07 | Pythe | elPepo: ok, so here's the deal. Most admis just outright block Dial-up IP's. Problems with spammers, virus activity, etc. AFAIK, there's no workaround for that. |
| 04:38.18 | dendrite | x0563511: You'll want to read the iptables man page. |
| 04:38.26 | dondelelcaro | madsen: well, the first two you may not need to do if you've already got the build-deps, build-essential, and fakeroot installed. |
| 04:38.38 | dondelelcaro | madsen: the third one is what actually builds the package, and the forth installs it. |
| 04:38.43 | madsen | pook: Come to think of it... I had a problem where some other sound modules were blocking alsa. |
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| 04:38.45 | x0563511 | dendrite: so its not a third-party tool, its already in the system? I just need to configure it and enable it? |
| 04:38.53 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Oh, ok! Thanks a lot! :) |
| 04:38.57 | rdancer | chealer: you can't |
| 04:38.57 | ^c | pook: that is the same soundcard as mine, it works flawlessly with 2.6.10 |
| 04:39.02 | Pythe | elPepo: What's been suggested to me is that you use your mail server for incoming only and send through your ISP's server. |
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| 04:39.06 | pook | hmm |
| 04:39.12 | DrRighteous | ok this sucks... I have a number of supermicro servers with the X6DVL-EG motherboard. under the 2.4 kernel it sees the SATA HD as ata and the cdrom as ata fine.. all works, but when trying the 2.6 kernel it sees the SATA HD correctly as a sata hd, but then doesn't see the cdrom. In dmesg there is a message saying that ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe. |
| 04:39.13 | pook | could it be oss? |
| 04:39.13 | dendrite | x0563511: Yes, iptables should already be on your system. |
| 04:39.17 | elPepo | so dont fix that using Ddns ? |
| 04:39.17 | dondelelcaro | madsen: but it's really not a whole lot of things to do... those four commands will themselves do a few hundred things |
| 04:39.18 | ^c | pook: I use alsa |
| 04:39.21 | BucWheat | how do i disable the system speaker ? i'm sick of hearing the "beep" when doing tab completions |
| 04:39.34 | peterS | BucWheat: kernel 2.6: unload the 'pcspkr' kernel module |
| 04:39.36 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: unplug it |
| 04:39.37 | x0563511 | dendrite: can iptables send incoming packets to unopened ports to a particular IP on a particular interface? |
| 04:39.38 | pook | ^c: no i mean could alsa be conflicting..... |
| 04:39.39 | Endo_ | well time too eat... thanks again for the help guys |
| 04:39.41 | DrRighteous | I found an article: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3971, but dont know how to apply this to my sarge boot cd, its beyond me... |
| 04:39.44 | chealer | rdancer: I guess the kernel reality is a concept beyond me then |
| 04:39.47 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I know... But I didn't really think before commenting. ;) |
| 04:39.48 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro it is soldered onto the motherboard |
| 04:39.53 | deadcat | the f. cplay plays 1 song ans stops. |
| 04:39.56 | peterS | BucWheat: your shell might have a mode for disabling the beep, which is a simpler approach |
| 04:40.03 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: that shouldn't present a problem... (alternatively, you can use setterm or xset to disable it) |
| 04:40.04 | pook | ^c: i dont think that is the case tho....2.6.10 has alsa by default |
| 04:40.06 | dendrite | x0563511: Yes, though some of the routing would be handled by the kernel routing table. |
| 04:40.09 | BucWheat | peterS i'm using 2.4 |
| 04:40.13 | rdancer | chealer: basically, there is no real security support for woody's kernels; check the debian-security mailing list, if you want to |
| 04:40.14 | peterS | deadcat: add stuff to your playlist then play the playlist |
| 04:40.21 | rdancer | s/real// |
| 04:40.23 | ^c | pook: did you do what that site said to do |
| 04:40.25 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro k. thanks |
| 04:40.26 | deadcat | peterS: cant i just play a dir? |
| 04:40.34 | pook | yup....more than once |
| 04:40.35 | dendrite | x0563511: In other words, iptables can mangle packets, then the kernel would forward them according to it's routing table.. |
| 04:40.44 | peterS | deadcat: add the dir using 'a' then hit tab to get your playlist, and then <enter> to play |
| 04:40.50 | ^c | pook: and what does alsaconf say |
| 04:40.59 | x0563511 | dendrite: Do you think theres a HOWTO on tldp.org for this stuff? Im fairly new to linux |
| 04:40.59 | Pythe | elPepo: I'm afraid I'm not familiar with Ddns... It sounds like all it does is assign a name to your (dynamic) IP address... |
| 04:41.02 | deadcat | peterS: dang. alot of work. )= |
| 04:41.07 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Holy crap! It asks for like a gazillion packages to be installed just to build php4... Like apache AND apache2. (?) |
| 04:41.16 | dendrite | x0563511: There are TONS of examples availalbe for iptables. |
| 04:41.22 | x0563511 | i would check but apt is crunching away meanwhile, i have no web browser |
| 04:41.24 | peterS | deadcat: <a> <tab> <enter> - shrug, I find it pretty easy |
| 04:41.24 | strubbel | what's a good way or tool to test network throughput? |
| 04:41.34 | pook | ^c: it lets me pick the correct driver and then installs it.... |
| 04:41.35 | peterS | deadcat: do you have an idea for how it should work better? I'll consider it |
| 04:41.38 | x0563511 | thanks, ill go check it out when i can |
| 04:41.43 | dendrite | x0563511: To forward packets you'd use DNAT (destination NAT).. |
| 04:41.46 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Also a lot of -dev pkgs of course. |
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| 04:41.51 | chealer | rdancer: oh, I heard that. that's bad. I still don't understand real kernels though |
| 04:42.00 | BucWheat | what is the best way to install 2.6 kernel ? i need to do so to get this comedi driver working |
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| 04:42.13 | deadcat | peterS: i was using playmp3list, play a song and it goes through all the files in that dir |
| 04:42.13 | dendrite | strubbel: Get cited on slashdot. :-) |
| 04:42.19 | x0563511 | dendrite: i dont have a problem with manually opening ports to forward. What about outgoing connections? will i have to do anything exotic for those? |
| 04:42.22 | strubbel | BucWheat: install an image with apt-get |
| 04:42.35 | ^c | pook: then cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 04:42.39 | BucWheat | strubbel i need the source to patch |
| 04:42.42 | x0563511 | dendrite: im spoiled by Kerio (for windows) |
| 04:42.44 | ^c | pook: if you get static it works |
| 04:42.49 | BucWheat | strubbel just apt-get kernel-2.6-source ? |
| 04:42.49 | dendrite | x0563511: Outbound NAT is usually SNAT (source NAT). |
| 04:42.52 | pook | ^c: it asks me if i want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound (and /etc/modprobe.conf if present)? |
| 04:42.59 | ^c | pook: you do |
| 04:43.07 | pook | and i have said yes |
| 04:43.20 | ^c | pook: hmm, and alsamixer is set correct |
| 04:43.20 | dendrite | x0563511: If you're on a dynamic IP, then you can use the masqueade target, that will follow the ip of the outbound interface. |
| 04:43.21 | rdancer | chealer: yes, debian kernels suck. |
| 04:43.46 | dondelelcaro | madsen: yerp. It's going to build both the libapache1 and libapache2 modules |
| 04:43.53 | elPepo | tnx any way |
| 04:43.53 | strubbel | BucWheat: then you would need to kompile it, but there are precompiled images...try apt-cache kernel-image | sort |
| 04:44.03 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Isn't there some way of stopping it from doing that? |
| 04:44.04 | bucky | rdancer, how do you know.. you can't even install one |
| 04:44.05 | x0563511 | dendrite: NAT will automatically forward reply packets back, right? For example, my NAT client sends out for a webpage on 80. Will the reply packets pass back through without a lot of configuration? |
| 04:44.12 | drac | pook: and you are in 'audio' group? and there is /dev/mixer and dsp? if not, try udev. |
| 04:44.21 | dondelelcaro | madsen: depends on the rules file... there may be a target to build just one of the apache php4 modules |
| 04:44.22 | madsen | dondelelcaro: I mean, it's kinda silly to install apache when I'm only using apache2. |
| 04:44.23 | Pythe | elPepo: congrats, you're the first person I've "helped" in this channel :-p |
| 04:44.36 | ^c | pook: you've lost me now since alsamixer and alsoconf worked right, I had no problems on my laptop |
| 04:44.46 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Well, I'm not trying to compile libapache2-mod-php4, just php4. |
| 04:44.46 | elPepo | :) |
| 04:44.48 | bucky | rdancer, you haven't even figured out how to pick a kernel... let alone apt-get one |
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| 04:44.53 | dendrite | x0563511: Yes, SNAT mangles the source address to be that of the outbound interface, so packets should get routed back to that same interface. |
| 04:44.55 | strubbel | BucWheat: try apt-cache kernel-image and take one that fits best |
| 04:44.56 | pook | ^c: i find that usually the case |
| 04:45.00 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Do you know what I should look for? |
| 04:45.06 | dondelelcaro | madsen: you mean php4-cgi? |
| 04:45.16 | ^c | pook: does sound work as root |
| 04:45.17 | x0563511 | dendrite: thanks! |
| 04:45.35 | strubbel | BucWheat: if you need to compile one use the sources and kernel-package |
| 04:45.41 | pook | no |
| 04:45.50 | madsen | dondelelcaro: No, actually php4 for apache2, but libapache2-mod-php4 is a different package, right? |
| 04:45.55 | dondelelcaro | madsen: no. |
| 04:46.09 | pook | ^c: have you ever used the program speaker-test ? |
| 04:46.15 | pook | should it produce noise |
| 04:46.23 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Well, ok, then I AM trying to build mod_php4 for apache2 I guess. :) |
| 04:46.28 | x0563511 | dendrite: my NAT will only have one client. Would it be easier just to use static IPs for it? |
| 04:46.28 | dondelelcaro | madsen: php4 is the source package. It builds libapache2-mod-php4, php4, php4-cgi, php4-mysql php4-common, etc... |
| 04:46.29 | dendrite | x0563511: Here is the line I use to SNAT: $CMD -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s $NET_LAN -o $IF_DMZ -j SNAT --to-source $IP_DMZ |
| 04:46.30 | ^c | pook: no, I use cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 04:46.42 | quittt | bob2, ok... found what you wanted |
| 04:46.43 | x0563511 | dendrite: its just a simple node-to-node connection with a crossover cable |
| 04:46.56 | quittt | bob2, http://www.zophar.net/roms.phtml?op=show&type=snes all of them are free |
| 04:47.06 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Hmm, and I can't just build what's the equivalent of the binary php4-common package? |
| 04:47.07 | BucWheat | strubbel i'm about to d/l kernel-sources now. what does the kernel-package do ? |
| 04:47.09 | pook | ^c: nop...silence |
| 04:47.10 | pook | shit |
| 04:47.17 | dondelelcaro | madsen: that totally depends on the rules file |
| 04:47.18 | dendrite | x0563511: Then you can just set up routing entries, along the lines of route add -host x.x.x.x eth1 or whatever. |
| 04:47.35 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Hmm... And I've never looked in one before 2 minutes ago. |
| 04:47.36 | Pythe | quittt: they're still copyrighted, if I remember right |
| 04:47.38 | x0563511 | BucWheat: kernel package has all the build tools you need. Make sure you also get Ncurses5-dev |
| 04:47.45 | ^c | pook: sorry, wish you luck on it though |
| 04:47.48 | strubbel | BucWheat: it's used to build a debian kernel image, a deb file you can install |
| 04:47.53 | chealer | quittt: doesn't even the URL say SNES? ;) |
| 04:47.55 | dondelelcaro | madsen: so yeah, it doesn't look like it has the rules to build just one. |
| 04:48.11 | pook | i've tried everything, read all the manuals...anyone have a suggestion as to where i should look for answers next? |
| 04:48.17 | madsen | dondelelcaro: What should I look for? |
| 04:48.19 | dondelelcaro | madsen: it's not really a big deal though... you can just remove those packages afterwords, or, if you know exactly what you're doing, you can just use pbuilder. |
| 04:48.20 | bob2 | quittt: they look copyrighted, and they're for snes not n64 |
| 04:48.21 | x0563511 | BucWheat: dont forget ncurses5-dev. it lets you use "make menuconfig" |
| 04:48.24 | strubbel | BucWheat: make sure you fetch the debian sources for use with kernel-package |
| 04:48.26 | BucWheat | x0563511 k |
| 04:48.28 | dondelelcaro | madsen: what exactly *are* you doing, by the way? |
| 04:48.36 | ^c | quittt: there are 2 demos, no games |
| 04:48.58 | BucWheat | strubbel i'm still d/l'ing kernel-sources now. do i need to d/l kernel-package for the specific kernel-source ? |
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| 04:49.15 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Well, the binary php4 package is screwed up because it doesn't use the built-in PCRE library, so now I'm trying to build one that does. |
| 04:49.21 | quittt | bob2, all in all they are roms |
| 04:49.30 | dondelelcaro | madsen: screwed up in what way? |
| 04:49.31 | BucWheat | strubbel apt-get didn't suggest debian sources |
| 04:49.32 | chealer | quittt: are you always like this? |
| 04:49.36 | bucky | BucWheat, what are you going to patch the kernel with? |
| 04:49.38 | rdancer | bucky: i don't know why you think so. |
| 04:49.43 | bob2 | quittt: um, that's nice, but they're not DFSG-free, so I win |
| 04:49.46 | madsen | dondelelcaro: http://lillesvin.net/music <- That way |
| 04:49.50 | dondelelcaro | madsen: the package shouldn't be using the built-in pcre library, because that sort of redundancy is just asking for symbol conflicts. |
| 04:49.55 | chealer | !lose quittt |
| 04:49.55 | dpkg | quittt: You Lose. |
| 04:49.56 | BucWheat | bucky i'm trying to get www.comedi.org installed |
| 04:50.04 | rdancer | bucky: in fact, i've had apt-get install'ed kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 04:50.09 | strubbel | BucWheat: if it's in the same distro the answer is no. apt-get will have an eye on it, so you should be fine. |
| 04:50.11 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Well, I changed the rules file to _make_ it use the builtin pcre. |
| 04:50.20 | bucky | rdancer, you don't know the difference between k7 or 686 |
| 04:50.22 | madsen | dondelelcaro: It's either that or the link I just gave you. :( |
| 04:50.23 | dondelelcaro | madsen: have you filed a bug against php4 yet? |
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| 04:50.38 | rdancer | bucky: i still am waiting for the alleged docummentation of this versioning issue. but i really have to go to work now |
| 04:50.43 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Lots of people have and the PHP folks suggest using the builtin PCRE lib instead. |
| 04:51.03 | bucky | rdancer, well i really don't think you could find debian.og with google |
| 04:51.13 | rdancer | bucky: if you could tell ascii from ebcdic, you'd noticed the -1, -2, '' versioning system is what i was asking about |
| 04:51.14 | bucky | even if you had to |
| 04:51.18 | dondelelcaro | madsen: no, against the Debian php4 package |
| 04:51.30 | Pythe||food | bob2: yay, it finished apt-getting a 2.4 kernel :) hope this reboot works |
| 04:51.31 | madsen | dondelelcaro: But I'm more concerned with getting my PHP up and running again.. I'm hosting a couple of sites here and some peoples mail and they won't be too happy when it's not working. :( |
| 04:51.48 | rdancer | bucky: in other words, you don't have the rtfm pointer. ok, fine with me. |
| 04:51.49 | strubbel | BucWheat: if you like i can send you a file which describes all the steps you need to perform to build a debian kernel-image. |
| 04:51.52 | dondelelcaro | madsen: does it start working if you downgrade php4? |
| 04:51.53 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Nope, not yet... I want to fix this first... Then I can file a bug. |
| 04:51.53 | Pythe||food | oof, kernel panic |
| 04:51.56 | bob2 | Pythe||food: just make sure you follow the instructions |
| 04:51.59 | bucky | rdancer, i refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an un-armed man |
| 04:52.02 | pook | alsa is the shittiestshitshit ever |
| 04:52.07 | BucWheat | strubbel please do :) |
| 04:52.11 | madsen | dondelelcaro: I didn't even upgrade PHP. I upgraded Apache2. (?) |
| 04:52.21 | rdancer | bucky: haha, funny |
| 04:52.23 | BucWheat | hopefully this won't take long with 1ghz proc. and 512mb ram |
| 04:52.28 | dondelelcaro | madsen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=280823 |
| 04:52.32 | madsen | pook: Not when it works. :-p |
| 04:52.32 | dendrite | pook: Did you run alsaconf? |
| 04:52.39 | pook | yes |
| 04:52.44 | pook | millions of times |
| 04:52.47 | strubbel | was just about to type my pass to irc :) |
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| 04:53.05 | dendrite | pook: And your speakers are plugged into the right hole, etc? |
| 04:53.05 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Hmm, looks interesting. |
| 04:53.21 | pook | its a laptop...built in speakers |
| 04:53.25 | bucky | rdancer, http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 04:53.29 | Pythe||food | ok, so I boot now and get a kernel panic. It tells me to "Append a correct root= boot option" Where do I do that? |
| 04:53.30 | dondelelcaro | madsen: this is why you check the bts first... |
| 04:53.35 | dendrite | pook: And the volume knob is up? |
| 04:53.43 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 280823 |
| 04:53.47 | dpkg | DONE:#280823:I[libapache2-mod-php4] libapache2-mod-php4: regular expressions broken with php-4.3.9 when external libpcre is used |
| 04:54.02 | pook | dendrite: its not really a knob |
| 04:54.36 | dendrite | pook: Any clues in the logs? |
| 04:54.44 | BucWheat | strubbel you sending the doc where ? |
| 04:55.07 | strubbel | BucWheat: i'll try to dcc you, momento |
| 04:55.11 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I guess... But I just panicked... This shit just _got_ to work... I mean, a friend of mine is in Russia atm and the webmail on lillesvin.net is her only contact with everybody. :/ |
| 04:55.16 | Pythe||food | ach, brb. /msg me if anyone has answers :-p |
| 04:56.06 | Pythe | ok nevermind, no food to be had :-( |
| 04:56.10 | dendrite | madsen: Can you do a downgrade? |
| 04:56.49 | BucWheat | strubbel do you have web space? |
| 04:57.00 | BucWheat | strubbel if so could you place it there ? |
| 04:57.17 | madsen | dendrite: I would try if I knew how to. :/ |
| 04:57.40 | dendrite | madsen: Do you know the package name/version you had before, that worked? |
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| 04:58.01 | madsen | dendrite: Yeah, but that was _old_! |
| 04:58.40 | dendrite | madsen: read apt-get man page... "A specific version of a package can be selected for installation by following the package name with an equals and the version of the package to select." |
| 04:58.48 | dondelelcaro | madsen: anyway, the solution is to upgrade to the version of apache2 that's in sid currently. |
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| 04:59.21 | madsen | dondelelcaro: That was what fscked it up! My version is _newer_ than that he mentions in the post. :( |
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| 04:59.42 | madsen | dondelelcaro: I just installed 2.0.53-3 and he's talking about -1. |
| 04:59.55 | madsen | dondelelcaro: And I did it an hour ago. :( |
| 05:00.25 | madsen | But I guess if I could downgrade to 2.0.51 or 2.0.50, then it'd work again. |
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| 05:01.17 | Pythe | ok, so I boot now and get a kernel panic. It tells me to "Append a correct root= boot option" Where do I do that? |
| 05:01.34 | strubbel | BucWheat: sorry, i've no space...are you firewalled? |
| 05:01.43 | madsen | Pythe: In menu.lst (for grub) or in lilo.conf (for - surprise! - lilo) |
| 05:01.46 | dendrite | strubbel: How large is the file? |
| 05:02.09 | BucWheat | strubbel yea. could you email it ? |
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| 05:02.31 | strubbel | dendrite: 2kb |
| 05:02.39 | Pythe | madsen: thanks... what format should that be in? root=/dev/hda2 ? (hda2 is my root partition) |
| 05:02.40 | ugexe | !dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 05:02.43 | pook | help me, i think alsa is going to cause my suicide |
| 05:02.43 | strubbel | BucWheat: of course, yes |
| 05:02.51 | dondelelcaro | madsen: are you using testing or unstable? |
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| 05:02.55 | ugexe | can someone do that for me? i dunno how |
| 05:02.55 | madsen | Pythe: I think /dev/hda2 will be fine. |
| 05:02.59 | madsen | dondelelcaro: unstable |
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| 05:03.08 | strubbel | BucWheat: ok |
| 05:03.09 | simonrvn | suicide over software is rather pointless |
| 05:03.19 | x0563511 | OK, so i added something to iptables and it doesnt work. How can i clear my iptables? |
| 05:03.19 | Pythe | madsen: thanks. Once this bloody slow boot disk gets me up I'll go for it |
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| 05:03.30 | madsen | Pythe: hehe, good luck. :) |
| 05:03.39 | jstevens | test |
| 05:03.46 | simonrvn | at least fr a problem with it.. |
| 05:03.49 | dendrite | x0563511: iptables -F tablename |
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| 05:03.53 | BucWheat | hrmmm.. i have a via epia M10000 motherboard with 1ghz processor how do i find out which processor type to choose in kernel config ? |
| 05:04.27 | dendrite | x0563511: For your specific purpose, I'd just use kernel routing... |
| 05:04.43 | dondelelcaro | madsen: well, downgrading apache2 will work for starters, but you're going to need to file a bug report about that. |
| 05:04.45 | x0563511 | "no change/target/match by that name" |
| 05:04.56 | erikm | Are there known issues with Orinoco Gold WLAN cards, kernel 2.6, and the orinoco_cs driver? I'm trying to get mine to work (Agere Firmware 8.72) with absolutely no luck. The card is on, the drivers are loaded, I can change settings such as the essid and WEP key, but it no talkie with the access pointy... This makes no sense, I would be very grateful if someone was willing to help. |
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| 05:05.02 | dendrite | x0563511: What name did you supply to -F ? |
| 05:05.03 | ugexe | how do i get dpkg to tell me the nvidia 1 line install? |
| 05:05.07 | x0563511 | nat |
| 05:05.11 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Yeah, but still it'll have to wait untill I somehow get this working... |
| 05:05.12 | x0563511 | thats the table i put it in |
| 05:05.15 | chealer | ugexe: /msg dpkg foo |
| 05:05.18 | dondelelcaro | madsen: why? |
| 05:05.21 | dendrite | x0563511: POSTROUTING, perhaps? |
| 05:05.25 | x0563511 | thats it |
| 05:05.30 | x0563511 | -A POSTROUTING |
| 05:05.33 | dondelelcaro | madsen: downgrade, then use reportbug to file the bug |
| 05:05.37 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Because I'm pretty eager to get this working. |
| 05:05.38 | x0563511 | was in the command i passed |
| 05:05.53 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Exactly... First I'll get it working, then I'll file the bug... |
| 05:05.54 | dendrite | x0563511: iptables -t nat -F POSTROUTING |
| 05:05.59 | Pythe | that's odd... root=/dev/hda2 is already in there :-( |
| 05:06.01 | dendrite | x0563511: If I recall correctly. |
| 05:06.07 | madsen | dondelelcaro: And I don't have a clue as to how to downgrade properly. |
| 05:06.11 | dondelelcaro | !sdn |
| 05:06.11 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 05:06.30 | dondelelcaro | madsen: add the appropriate sdn line (see above) to your sources.list, then use aptitude or apt-get to install the specific version that you want. |
| 05:06.41 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Nice! Thanks! :) |
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| 05:06.48 | x0563511 | my "iptables-save" output git bigger... |
| 05:06.50 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: IIRC, sdn doesn't provide binaries any more? |
| 05:06.51 | dondelelcaro | madsen: ala, apt-get install foopkg=fooversion; [man apt-get] or just run aptitude |
| 05:06.52 | x0563511 | it duplicated it |
| 05:06.58 | slackd00d | whats better do do in synaptic for upgrading? smart or default |
| 05:06.58 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: it better. |
| 05:07.11 | slackd00d | to do i mean |
| 05:07.16 | dendrite | x0563511: I use custom scripts, and don't bother with iptables save. |
| 05:07.16 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Cool! Thanks! (Don't like aptitude so I'll stick with apt-get). ;) |
| 05:07.24 | x0563511 | is there no way to completely clear the iptables? |
| 05:07.31 | x0563511 | i had nothing in them before i started |
| 05:07.32 | dendrite | x0563511: The iptables save is a mess. |
| 05:07.46 | x0563511 | im just using it to see whats there |
| 05:07.47 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Oops I'm wrong. |
| 05:07.49 | dondelelcaro | madsen: *shrug* |
| 05:08.11 | madsen | dondelelcaro: And I should comment out most other lines in sources.list, right? |
| 05:08.12 | x0563511 | wait... does IPTABLES save over reboots? (will it still be there after rebooting?) |
| 05:08.16 | dendrite | x0563511: Did you set any chain policies, with -P ? |
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| 05:08.23 | dondelelcaro | madsen: no, you shouldn't. |
| 05:08.30 | Pythe | oh no! still getting kernel panic :-) |
| 05:08.32 | x0563511 | i dont think so |
| 05:08.39 | dendrite | x0563511: Whether it survives a boot depends on how you have it set up. |
| 05:08.51 | x0563511 | ok, i have a fairly basic install. |
| 05:08.55 | x0563511 | whatever is default i bet |
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| 05:09.01 | dendrite | x0563511: Did you have any packet filter rules at all before? |
| 05:09.01 | dondelelcaro | madsen: in fact, you shouldn't touch anything at all, besides adding the correct line for apache2. And you probably really do want to use aptitude, because it'll show you all the versions *and* allow you to hold the package trivially. |
| 05:09.10 | Pythe | methinks it's time to wipe and restart with the kernel I want :-p |
| 05:09.10 | x0563511 | no, i had nothing in it |
| 05:09.14 | dondelelcaro | madsen: otherwise, man dpkg; and read about --set-selections |
| 05:09.18 | x0563511 | my rules were completely empty |
| 05:09.31 | dendrite | So you can just -F (flush) the tables/chains you affected, to get it cleared. |
| 05:09.32 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Ok, will check it out. :) Thanks again! |
| 05:09.50 | pook | no its a laptop |
| 05:10.00 | dendrite | x0563511: So you can just -F (flush) the tables/chains you affected, to get it cleared. |
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| 05:10.07 | incognit0 | will someone please visit this website and tell me what they see http://www.epaphoto.com |
| 05:10.13 | incognit0 | please |
| 05:10.20 | incognit0 | it is a really easy thihng to do |
| 05:10.22 | simonrvn | yeh. the php4 deps + apache2 are very borkked right now; put libapache-mod-php4 and php4* on hold... |
| 05:10.25 | incognit0 | and you would be helping someone out |
| 05:10.30 | incognit0 | its that difficult |
| 05:10.32 | simonrvn | s/kk/k/ |
| 05:10.34 | incognit0 | it wont cost anything |
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| 05:10.52 | x0563511 | ok, i did "iptables -F" and got no output |
| 05:10.55 | bob2 | incognit0: stop being annoying |
| 05:11.13 | simonrvn | x0563511: do you know what -F does? |
| 05:11.25 | dendrite | x0563511: Not sure if a bare -F works... Lemme check the man page... |
| 05:11.39 | x0563511 | i have no idea |
| 05:11.45 | incognit0 | will someone please visit this website and tell me what they see http://www.epaphoto.com |
| 05:11.46 | x0563511 | that MAN page was hell, i dont understand any of it |
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| 05:11.57 | madsen | simonrvn: Uhm, can't really put it on hold... Simply not an option as I and others rely on it. |
| 05:11.59 | x0563511 | useless COMPTIA Net+ :) |
| 05:12.00 | chealer | !tell incognit0 about repeat |
| 05:12.00 | incognit0 | omg wtf is wrong with people? |
| 05:12.04 | simonrvn | read the man page then, or iptables --help | less |
| 05:12.17 | incognit0 | can you jsut check the god damn website and tell me what you see |
| 05:12.18 | simonrvn | madsen: on hold is not deinstalling it |
| 05:12.21 | x0563511 | read above statements |
| 05:12.34 | simonrvn | re-read what i said |
| 05:12.48 | dendrite | x0563511: Ah, you can just supply a table name. I expect 'filter' is it's default table... |
| 05:12.51 | x0563511 | i did that and im still clueless |
| 05:12.52 | incognit0 | i would go to aol but god knows what browser they are using |
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| 05:12.56 | madsen | simonrvn: True, but when one is upgraded and nothing works, then you gotta figure out something. |
| 05:13.03 | x0563511 | I wish someone would make a GUI for this. |
| 05:13.06 | incognit0 | hello are there any decent human beings left amongst all these assholes here? |
| 05:13.09 | dondelelcaro | madsen: that's why you put the packages on hold... so they don't break randomly. |
| 05:13.14 | x0563511 | so what command should i pass? |
| 05:13.16 | incognit0 | will someone please visit this website and tell me what they see http://www.epaphoto.com |
| 05:13.17 | incognit0 | hello are there any decent human beings left amongst all these assholes here? |
| 05:13.17 | incognit0 | will someone please visit this website and tell me what they see http://www.epaphoto.com |
| 05:13.18 | incognit0 | hello are there any decent human beings left amongst all these assholes here? |
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| 05:13.18 | dendrite | x0563511: Well, thrashing aside, iptables is worth coming to understand... |
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| 05:13.34 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Because I wanted to upgrade them! |
| 05:13.36 | bob2 | damn, too slow |
| 05:13.41 | madsen | dondelelcaro: They were getting old! |
| 05:13.46 | dondelelcaro | madsen: hahahahaha. |
| 05:13.58 | simonrvn | madsen: not a security issue, so it can wait. |
| 05:13.59 | x0563511 | ok, what command should i pass? I know i tried to add masquerading with "-t nat" |
| 05:14.11 | BucWheat | strubbel you still there? i have yet to receive email |
| 05:14.11 | dondelelcaro | madsen: let that be a lesson. When you care if something works, you don't run unstable, and you don't randomly upgrade. ;-) |
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| 05:14.34 | strubbel | BucWheat: i just sent it |
| 05:14.36 | simonrvn | i run unstable, but i don't ransomly upgrade ;) |
| 05:14.36 | madsen | dondelelcaro: Believe me, I don't randomly upgrade... I just upgraded at a bad time. :( |
| 05:14.40 | simonrvn | rand* |
| 05:14.42 | madsen | simonrvn: True... |
| 05:14.44 | BucWheat | strubbel sorry for being impatient. i just got it :) |
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| 05:15.02 | Malice961 | okay, new Question, im installing the ATI Propri. drivers, and im at the ./make.sh part, and its erroring saying that my /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h file isnt there, yet i know it is, im looking at it right now, any suggestions? |
| 05:15.05 | simonrvn | i *always* run it through aptitude or dselect |
| 05:15.06 | dondelelcaro | madsen: it's unstable... it's very difficult to know when a good time is. |
| 05:15.06 | strubbel | BucWheat: i hope it helps |
| 05:15.16 | BucWheat | strubbel heh me too. i'm sure it will. thanks again |
| 05:15.20 | dendrite | x0563511: for t in filter nat mangle; do iptables -t $t -F; done |
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| 05:15.31 | x0563511 | ; done? |
| 05:15.40 | simonrvn | yes, "; done" |
| 05:15.43 | dendrite | x0563511: ; done closes the for statement. |
| 05:15.44 | madsen | dondelelcaro: I know... But stable doesn't even have apache2... |
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| 05:15.49 | strubbel | BucWheat: np |
| 05:15.52 | madsen | dondelelcaro: And a lot of the ruby-stuff I use. |
| 05:15.58 | x0563511 | syntax error |
| 05:16.05 | x0563511 | unexpected token |
| 05:16.23 | x0563511 | "done" |
| 05:16.30 | simonrvn | left off a ; i bet |
| 05:16.33 | dendrite | x0563511: Did you enter it in exactly as I typed it, all one line? |
| 05:16.41 | x0563511 | yes |
| 05:16.46 | dendrite | x0563511: Cut and paste is your friend... |
| 05:16.48 | x0563511 | "iptables -t $t -F; done" |
| 05:16.48 | dondelelcaro | madsen: sure, but testing does... |
| 05:16.53 | x0563511 | no cut/paste in a term... |
| 05:16.58 | dendrite | x0563511: for t in ... is part of that. |
| 05:17.03 | simonrvn | uh |
| 05:17.08 | CraigDu | hello im running debian sarge on 2.6.8-2 on my laptop. My battery monitor sometimes craps out. So i mentioned this to the gnome developers and they told me to run acpi_listen (im running apci). I did and it didnt show any events unless i plugged in or unplugged the power cord. They said this wasnt normal and that it should be showing events often sayin that the battery has discharged a little bit. Is there anything i can |
| 05:17.20 | dendrite | x0563511: all of the stuff between the quotes: "for t in filter nat mangle; do iptables -t $t -F; done" |
| 05:17.23 | x0563511 | what? i just lost it after Craig's LOOONG post |
| 05:17.27 | dendrite | x0563511: all of the stuff between the quotes: "for t in filter nat mangle; do iptables -t $t -F; done" |
| 05:17.29 | madsen | dondelelcaro: True... But if I've never really had any problems with unstable before... And I've been running it for some years now. |
| 05:17.40 | simonrvn | madsen: o_O |
| 05:17.42 | sanxiyn | madsen: Good luck to you. |
| 05:18.04 | x0563511 | ooh, i see now. |
| 05:18.14 | madsen | simonrvn: ? |
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| 05:18.20 | madsen | sanxiyn: Well... Thanks... I guess... |
| 05:18.24 | x0563511 | hard to see that crap in "ircII" on tty |
| 05:18.30 | simonrvn | never got a problem with sid? :) |
| 05:18.35 | dendrite | x0563511: A loop in bash... Most handy, those. |
| 05:18.37 | x0563511 | table does not exist |
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| 05:18.46 | x0563511 | "+mangle" |
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| 05:19.03 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: ;) |
| 05:19.04 | madsen | simonrvn: Well, once, when Gnome was missing some packages it depended on, but it was fixed the day after I tried upgrading... No biggie... |
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| 05:19.14 | dendrite | x0563511: Are you using cut and paste? That might help... |
| 05:19.17 | x0563511 | i cant |
| 05:19.21 | x0563511 | i dont have a window manager |
| 05:19.25 | simonrvn | a few PAM incidents |
| 05:19.30 | simonrvn | gpm |
| 05:19.35 | CraigDu | anyone? |
| 05:19.35 | simonrvn | apt-get install gpm |
| 05:19.44 | x0563511 | ... i cant do that stuff right now |
| 05:20.01 | x0563511 | aptitude is running upgrading right now |
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| 05:20.06 | madsen | Arg! Why the fsck is apt so keen on removing php4-sqlite, php4-gd2 and php4-imagick!?! *grr* |
| 05:20.20 | x0563511 | and its waiting for my input for configuration (which i am going to do after i get iptables straightened out) |
| 05:20.23 | Python_ | hello everyone |
| 05:20.25 | x0563511 | wtf |
| 05:20.26 | dendrite | Well, I'm guessing you left off a bit of punctuation. So just run iptables -t xxx -F once each for filter, nat and mangle. |
| 05:20.27 | x0563511 | i get it |
| 05:20.29 | simonrvn | madsen: look at what dselect or aptitude is telling you |
| 05:20.36 | nvz | Python_: surely not everyone? |
| 05:20.42 | x0563511 | +mangle, in ircII it puts a + at the start of a wrapped line |
| 05:20.46 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: I think there was C++ breakage too. |
| 05:20.59 | dendrite | x0563511: Argh. |
| 05:21.01 | simonrvn | yeh. minor compared to PAM ;) |
| 05:21.01 | x0563511 | ok, it worked i think. no output |
| 05:21.06 | chealer | how do I know if procfs/sysf is mounted? |
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| 05:21.27 | dendrite | x0563511: Now, is that other machine just attached via a crossover cable on eth1? |
| 05:21.27 | madsen | simonrvn: Well, I'm actually not as interested in "why" as I said I would be... I'm more interested in keeping it from happening. |
| 05:21.32 | x0563511 | eth0 |
| 05:21.40 | dendrite | x0563511: And what's it's IP address? |
| 05:21.42 | chealer | it's strange, /topic doesn't have borked ending anymore |
| 05:21.42 | x0563511 | yea. my internet access is on link wlan0 |
| 05:21.45 | x0563511 | 192.168.0.2 |
| 05:21.51 | x0563511 | eth0 is x.x.x.1 |
| 05:21.54 | BucWheat | strubbel so i can use kernel-package instead of doing make && make modules, etc.. ? |
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| 05:22.10 | dendrite | x0563511: So try 'route add -host 192.168.0.2 eth0' |
| 05:22.43 | x0563511 | no such device? |
| 05:22.44 | CraigDu | anyone? |
| 05:22.45 | Python_ | dous anyone know of a good network file server for linux. what i am wanting to do is basicly mount a hardrive or folder from my server to my desktop. dous anyone know of a good program for that i am thinking of samba |
| 05:22.46 | CraigDu | hello im running debian sarge on 2.6.8-2 on my laptop. My battery monitor sometimes craps out. So i mentioned this to the gnome developers and they told me to run acpi_listen (im running apci). I did and it didnt show any events unless i plugged in or unplugged the power cord. They said this wasnt normal and that it should be showing events often sayin that the battery has discharged a little bit. Is there anything i can |
| 05:22.47 | strubbel | BucWheat: yes, thats the debian way |
| 05:22.58 | nvz | chealer: it says meet dondelelcaro at SCALE 3x [2005-02-12]. wtf ever that means |
| 05:22.59 | chealer | !tell CraigDu about repeat |
| 05:23.01 | dendrite | x0563511: Unless you've already defined that if to have the entire 192.168.0.0/30 subnet... |
| 05:23.13 | x0563511 | ? |
| 05:23.20 | strubbel | BucWheat: some like it some don't |
| 05:23.22 | chealer | nvz: it's a computing meething |
| 05:23.36 | BucWheat | strubbel but i need to patch it with an external driver |
| 05:23.40 | chealer | nvz: or meeting about computers |
| 05:23.50 | x0563511 | i havent done anything exotic to my networking besides getting NDISWrapper running. eth0 is static |
| 05:23.55 | chealer | they talked about it on /. |
| 05:24.02 | BucWheat | strubbel i'm trying to follow these instructions: https://cvs.comedi.org/pipermail/comedi/2005-January/006694.html |
| 05:24.17 | nvz | seems to me they talk about anything on /. |
| 05:24.23 | dendrite | x0563511: What does "/sbin/ifconfig eth0|grep 'inet addr'" tell you? |
| 05:24.26 | strubbel | BucWheat: you can do so before the menuconfig |
| 05:24.31 | Python_ | dous anyone know how to mount a drive from one linux machine to another |
| 05:24.32 | dondelelcaro | !scale 3x |
| 05:24.32 | dpkg | SCALE 3x is the Southern California Linux Expo #3 at the Los Angeles Convention Center. See http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ |
| 05:24.49 | nvz | Python_: with nfs or samba most likely |
| 05:24.53 | strubbel | BucWheat: but it may fail, because the debian-sources are prepatched |
| 05:25.03 | nvz | Python_: nfs is easier |
| 05:25.11 | Python_ | what is nfs |
| 05:25.11 | strubbel | BucWheat: just try |
| 05:25.23 | x0563511 | nothing |
| 05:25.27 | x0563511 | blank |
| 05:25.36 | dendrite | x0563511: Um, is eth0 configured?? |
| 05:25.39 | x0563511 | wtf |
| 05:25.46 | x0563511 | ip6 is but ip4 isnt? |
| 05:25.53 | CraigDu | no one can help me? |
| 05:26.11 | strubbel | BucWheat: also, you can look for the patch as debian one with apt-get search patch |
| 05:26.13 | x0563511 | wth, im not using ipv6 |
| 05:26.14 | WhITe_MaN | i can help u Craig |
| 05:26.20 | dendrite | x0563511: How very 21st century of you. :-) |
| 05:26.47 | BucWheat | strubbel k. thanks for all your help |
| 05:26.51 | x0563511 | Im not ready for it yet |
| 05:27.13 | Pythe | hehe playing with the dpkg bot is fun :-) |
| 05:27.21 | strubbel | BucWheat: else you need to do handicrafts or do it the traditional way with official linux sources |
| 05:27.24 | chealer | !nfs |
| 05:27.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or http://www.j-mulders.demon.nl/unix/nis-rpc/doc/rpc/nfs-v2-protocol-specification.html for some gory details.. No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs' |
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| 05:27.36 | chealer | is nfs really that bad? |
| 05:27.39 | x0563511 | hrm my /etc/network/interfaces doesnt have any ipv6 in it. only my static ipv4-style stuff |
| 05:27.41 | CraigDu | WhITe_MaN: when i use acpi_listen i see no events unless i plug in or unplug my ac cord. the guys over at gnome told me i should see events every time my battery discharges a little bit. how can i fix this? |
| 05:27.41 | dendrite | x0563511: Well, simply put, if you sort out your networking, you don't need to do anything else special to set up that point to point link. |
| 05:27.52 | eraser | I'm having trouble locating mplayer in apt, could somebody tell me what it's called? |
| 05:28.02 | chealer | !tell eraser about mplayer |
| 05:28.04 | strubbel | BucWheat: it was a pleasure ;) |
| 05:28.15 | nvz | eraser: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 05:28.22 | BucWheat | oh boy i get gcc3.3 error when make'ing kernel |
| 05:28.30 | eraser | yep it pmed me automatically, thanks |
| 05:28.36 | cycom | chealer: have you used it before? |
| 05:28.40 | BucWheat | In file included from include/linux/percpu.h:346: |
| 05:28.40 | BucWheat | include/asm/string.h:331: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 05:28.54 | chealer | cycom: no, only have a redmond neighbor |
| 05:28.55 | BucWheat | make[1]: *** [fs/bad_inode.o] Error 1 |
| 05:28.55 | BucWheat | make: *** [fs] Error 2 |
| 05:29.01 | strubbel | BucWheat: is it sid? |
| 05:29.01 | BucWheat | what does all of this mean ? |
| 05:29.10 | BucWheat | no sarge |
| 05:29.10 | x0563511 | er, helo? |
| 05:29.12 | cycom | chealer: I've been using samba. It seems ok. |
| 05:29.13 | x0563511 | i mean help |
| 05:29.23 | x0563511 | wait |
| 05:29.25 | x0563511 | im gona reboot. |
| 05:29.27 | nvz | nfs is way easier to work with |
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| 05:29.38 | x0563511 | when i had my iptables in, and i tried to ping this machine from my NAT client |
| 05:29.38 | cycom | nvz: how so? |
| 05:29.46 | x0563511 | my link died, and it switched ipv6 |
| 05:29.56 | cycom | uh... |
| 05:30.00 | dendrite | nvz: YOu know why portmapper + nfs-user-server would bind two rpc.statd udp listeners, along with the one tcp? |
| 05:30.04 | nvz | cycom: simple one line export configuration |
| 05:30.05 | chealer | cycom: yeah...far from perfect too. I thought samba was something you used only when you had to deal with M$ |
| 05:30.08 | CraigDu | WhITe_MaN: when i use acpi_listen i see no events unless i plug in or unplug my ac cord. the guys over at gnome told me i should see events every time my battery discharges a little bit. how can i fix this? |
| 05:30.23 | cycom | chealer: guess what I have to do? |
| 05:30.41 | chealer | cycom: ? no idea? |
| 05:30.53 | cycom | I would use scp for almost everything, but it's slow in windows. |
| 05:30.56 | nvz | dendrite: mountd, portmapper and nfs is normally what you see |
| 05:31.00 | strubbel | BucWheat: sorry i use stable, maybe kernel-package depends on gcc 2.95 |
| 05:31.06 | BucWheat | k |
| 05:31.09 | Malice961 | what does the command cp /home/malice/tmp/boot/config-2.6.8-2-k7-386 .config do? |
| 05:31.29 | dendrite | nvz: Well, I also get rpc.statd. This is on sarge... |
| 05:31.31 | strubbel | BucWheat: check /etc/alternatives/gcc |
| 05:31.47 | dondelelcaro | Malice961: it copies /home/malice/tmp/boot/config-2.6.8-2-k7-386 to .config |
| 05:31.50 | dendrite | nvz: I'd like to think it's something I'm doing wrong, but so far I haven't cracked it. See 289958 |
| 05:32.00 | cycom | chealer: I tried pscp (putty scp) but it was giving me like 800kb/s transfers instead of the usual 3-4mb/s I could get |
| 05:32.01 | dondelelcaro | "ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer" |
| 05:32.02 | nvz | I dont know I have been using samba lately since I have windows pcs on the home network |
| 05:32.37 | chealer | cycom: nice, I'll try to remember that alternative |
| 05:32.42 | dendrite | nvz: Yeah, samba makes sense for that sort of setup. |
| 05:32.44 | CraigDu | dondelelcaro: do u know any reason why acpi_listen wouldnt show events when my battery is discharging? |
| 05:32.45 | BucWheat | k. i'll have to tinker with it more tomorrow |
| 05:32.52 | BucWheat | thanks |
| 05:32.57 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 05:32.57 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:32.57 | Malice961 | ight, thanks |
| 05:33.00 | BucSLEEP | i'm going to go sleep on it |
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| 05:33.06 | jordo23 | What's the command to check your IP address??>? |
| 05:33.09 | cycom | nvz: same here. |
| 05:33.15 | strubbel | BucSLEEP: sleep well |
| 05:33.17 | cycom | actually, it's a dual boot |
| 05:33.19 | CraigDu | dondelelcaro: do you know any reason why acpi_listen wouldnt show events when my battery is discharging? |
| 05:33.25 | nvz | jordo23: ifconfig ??>? |
| 05:33.32 | BucSLEEP | strubbel will do thanks again |
| 05:33.36 | dondelelcaro | !myip |
| 05:33.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, myip is /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)/ {print qq|$1\n|}' |
| 05:34.00 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: Good grief, someone has too much time on their hands... =8-o |
| 05:34.03 | strubbel | BucSLEEP: i really envy you, since i can't...toothaches |
| 05:34.07 | Pythe | oh, fsckberries... my windows box just shut off of its own free will... too many penguins surrounding it I guess :-p |
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| 05:34.14 | jordo23 | nvz: that didn't work... |
| 05:34.23 | nvz | jordo23: you have to be root |
| 05:34.29 | dendrite | jordo23: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 05:34.32 | cycom | wow. finger leapage. from ? to . |
| 05:34.37 | cycom | er...> |
| 05:34.46 | strubbel | BucSLEEP: see you |
| 05:34.49 | jordo23 | nvz: that worked. |
| 05:35.01 | chealer | # /etc/init.d/lm-sensors start is outputting "Setting sensors limits:Can't access procfs/sysfs file" [...] |
| 05:35.01 | chealer | what should I do to know if procfs and sysfs are mounted? |
| 05:35.18 | nvz | chealer: read dmesg |
| 05:36.10 | Resonant | I am new to debian, just installed it on my other hard drive and am currently dual booting. I got it installed and set up, but my network card (integrated card on a intel PERL motherboard) is not detected automatically, and I am having trouble finding a driver for it. Any suggestions? |
| 05:36.16 | jordo23 | nvz: That gives me the IP assigned by my linksys router.....is there a way to see the main IP address? |
| 05:36.29 | madsen | This is just great... Now aptitude died on me... |
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| 05:36.34 | madsen | Why does my server hate me?!?! |
| 05:36.38 | cycom | Resonat: what does lspci say it is? |
| 05:36.38 | nvz | jordo23: yeah |
| 05:36.48 | cycom | madsen: it doesn't. It hates itself |
| 05:36.54 | Resonant | cycom: forgive my stupidity, but lspci? |
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| 05:37.14 | cycom | it tells you about some of your hardware |
| 05:37.15 | madsen | cycom: If I sucked as bad as it does, I _would_ hate myself a great deal... |
| 05:37.21 | cycom | hehe |
| 05:37.27 | nvz | jordo23: whatismyip.com |
| 05:37.48 | nvz | its for special people just like you |
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| 05:37.58 | cycom | look for the line that says 'ethernet controller' |
| 05:38.00 | chealer | nvz: I find nothing relevant grepping for "sys" or "proc". should I conclude they're not mounted? |
| 05:38.08 | MitchK | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.10 | Resonant | cycom: Is that worth rebooting system to check? |
| 05:38.10 | MitchK | dont use it |
| 05:38.16 | rellik | which package do I need so that I can 'man printf' and get the c programmers manpage? |
| 05:38.30 | MitchK | eg: its wrong for me :) because my ISP does transparent proxy |
| 05:38.39 | Flav | rellik: try man 3 printf |
| 05:38.41 | nvz | chealer: I dont know, I just think they are kernel modules, so they would if anywhere be there.. otherwise just look in /proc/ ffs |
| 05:38.57 | cycom | Resonant: unless you know exactly what your network card is, yes. |
| 05:39.03 | nvz | MitchK: he wants to know his external ip |
| 05:39.07 | rellik | Flav, yeah, I need the package so that I can do that |
| 05:39.17 | Resonant | I do know exactly what my network card is (at the very least I can find it on intel's website given 30 seconds |
| 05:39.23 | nvz | MitchK: he should look in his router |
| 05:39.41 | nvz | MitchK: but since he's special he use's the first google hit for "what's my ip?" |
| 05:39.42 | MitchK | nvz or ifconfig if he ses pppoe |
| 05:39.46 | Flav | rellik: manpages-dev |
| 05:39.53 | rellik | Flav, cool thanks |
| 05:39.58 | Resonant | would a link to the driver page on intels website be helpful? |
| 05:40.32 | cycom | Resonant: not really. try googling the name of your nic and linux. |
| 05:40.52 | chealer | nvz: nodev proc, nodev sysfs. but that doesn't tell me if they're mounted, right? |
| 05:41.07 | Flav | rellik: just wanted to point out that "man printf" will likely keep showing you the /usr/bin/printf utility and you'll need to man 3 printf instead, that's all :) |
| 05:41.09 | nvz | Resonant: lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 05:41.31 | cycom | I'm not trying to be rude Resonant, that is seriously the best way to figure out what to do. Talking to us doesn't really help on stuff like finding specific drivers. |
| 05:41.41 | nvz | chealer: I dont know 'nodev' is not in my dictionary |
| 05:41.50 | wilbertoki | how many years can you expect a server to last |
| 05:41.57 | MitchK | just search for the first 3 chars of the MAC address of the nic... like N0:00:BE |
| 05:42.14 | Flav | if only N were a valid hex char |
| 05:42.15 | nvz | wilbertoki: how many years do you expect to last, that you ponder such things? |
| 05:42.36 | MitchK | ok... B0:00:BE |
| 05:42.40 | wilbertoki | nvz: I am thinking of purchasing a used dell server that is about 5 years old |
| 05:42.42 | chealer | nvz: strange, it doesn't appear in man filesystems. do you have nodev-s in your /proc/filesystems ? |
| 05:42.47 | Flav | 0xDECAFBAD |
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| 05:43.22 | wilbertoki | nvz: I am wondering how many more years it is expected to last |
| 05:43.26 | chealer | !dell |
| 05:43.26 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
| 05:43.27 | MitchK | A5:BA:DC:0D:ED |
| 05:43.44 | Resonant | cycom: I understand, I am just having trouble due to my lack of knowledge with linux base system setup |
| 05:43.45 | nvz | wilbertoki: being a dell we are suprised to hear its lasted at all |
| 05:44.06 | wilbertoki | nvz: so it is a bad idea |
| 05:44.28 | nvz | did I say that? you're putting words in my mouth :P |
| 05:44.38 | wilbertoki | nvz: no, sorry |
| 05:44.48 | Resonant | thank you for your help, I shall see if I can find it |
| 05:44.50 | Malice961 | okay, so how can i install the kernel source for the 2.6.8-2-k7 Debian kernel? |
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| 05:46.43 | madsen | Hmm... Seems I finally solved the puzzle about Apache2/PHP4 and Debian binaries... To bad I'll only get 1h of sleep tonight. :/ |
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| 05:46.59 | wilbertoki | nvz: It is only 300 dollars and has 6 scsi hard drives, dual xeon 700s and 1 gb of ram, a dell 6400 -- I want it to serve a few web sites with moderate traffic |
| 05:47.05 | chealer | Malice961: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 05:47.29 | gimp_sun | hi.. is anyone so bored, they can help me test irc dcc send.. |
| 05:47.33 | nvz | wilbertoki: I figure its like a cat.. if its lived in a safe environment and been fed, its good for about 15years or so.. though in a rough environment they usually only last 2-5 years :P |
| 05:47.38 | peterS | wilbertoki: assuming it's in good working order, I'd definitely buy it |
| 05:47.49 | Malice961 | okay, and that should install it to the /usr/src/ right? |
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| 05:48.12 | wilbertoki | thank you that helps me very much |
| 05:48.13 | chealer | Malice961: I think, otherwise dpkg -L package |
| 05:48.25 | wilbertoki | it is coming from a large pc recycler |
| 05:48.34 | roo9 | isn't Ubuntu debian? it has apt-get |
| 05:48.37 | strubbel | gimp_sun: do you have some nice graphics to offer? |
| 05:49.02 | gimp_sun | hehe.. not really, strubbel .. but maybe a desktop shot! |
| 05:49.34 | gimp_sun | can i send it to you, strubbel ? |
| 05:49.40 | gimp_sun | or at least try to :) |
| 05:49.42 | Pythe | !tell roo9 about ubuntu |
| 05:49.54 | peterS | wilbertoki: well, I don't know how the liquidation / recycling market goes - maybe that's not a good price in that field. but server-class hardware tends to be built to last a bit longer than desktop-class, so the fact that something is a few years old shouldn't be cause for concern, assuming it still works fine |
| 05:50.00 | strubbel | gimp_sun: try, you'll have no luck |
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| 05:50.17 | Malice961 | its telling me that its a virtual package.... |
| 05:50.25 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:50.30 | strubbel | gimp_sun: oh, i was wrong |
| 05:50.46 | roo9 | Pythe: i was just satirizing the topic |
| 05:50.55 | Pythe | lol oh |
| 05:50.59 | gimp_sun | will you accept, strubbel ? |
| 05:51.01 | skip_ | hi all...can I install a workable debian from just the first CD or do I need more disks? |
| 05:51.06 | chealer | Malice961: I don't think |
| 05:51.08 | gimp_sun | ahh.. great stuff.. much appreciated, strubbel :) |
| 05:51.09 | Pythe | I wasn't really listening... I'm doing physics :-p |
| 05:51.14 | gimp_sun | it's a very boring snapshot! |
| 05:51.27 | strubbel | gimp_sun: i accepted, but i'm firewalled |
| 05:51.42 | roo9 | roo9 is bored waiting for ettercap to compile |
| 05:51.44 | gimp_sun | thank god for that.. i've been faffing about with irc kernel modules all afternoon :) |
| 05:51.44 | chealer | doublehp: kde? |
| 05:51.58 | cycom | !blanket |
| 05:51.58 | dpkg | /me brings <who> a nice, warm blanket:) |
| 05:52.02 | doublehp | chealer: E16 |
| 05:52.06 | gimp_sun | it got off to start, so i'm happy.. cheers, strubbel :) |
| 05:52.10 | wilbertoki | peters: that is good news, thank you |
| 05:52.22 | peterS | wilbertoki: yeah, good luck with it |
| 05:52.37 | strubbel | !beer gimp_sun |
| 05:52.45 | lawnchair | dpkg, <3 |
| 05:52.45 | dpkg | lawnchair: no idea |
| 05:52.46 | strubbel | gimp_sun: cheers :) |
| 05:52.48 | gimp_sun | hehe! |
| 05:52.48 | lawnchair | dpkg, kiss me? |
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| 05:53.42 | thd | I can no longer find the website I had found with an index of unofficial debain packages. |
| 05:54.17 | gimp_sun | what's the buzz with ubuntu? someone was getting very excited about it? |
| 05:55.35 | Flav | thd: like http://www.apt-get.org/ ? |
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| 05:56.43 | Biovore | dose that meen the alien wares are coming.. hehe |
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| 05:57.47 | thd | Flav: yes, thank you. I kept searching for dpkg and had blocked apt out of my thought. |
| 05:58.10 | Flav | thd: fwiw, my google search was on "debian apt sites" |
| 05:58.23 | madsen | Even redhat never presented me with a package mess like this. :( |
| 05:58.38 | Flav | thd: but yeah, gotta get to "apt" first :) |
| 05:58.38 | peterS | Biovore: yes. yes, they are. |
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| 06:00.00 | BrianAnthony | What is that package name for XFree86? |
| 06:00.20 | chealer | BrianAnthony: x-window-system-core |
| 06:00.26 | BrianAnthony | thanks |
| 06:00.28 | Flav | i thought it was xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:00.29 | Flav | hunh |
| 06:00.30 | chealer | or xserver-xfree86... |
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| 06:01.00 | chealer | !whine madsen |
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| 06:01.15 | BrianAnthony | and also... |
| 06:01.21 | Pythe | BrianAnthony : try http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#view |
| 06:01.25 | BrianAnthony | are not the F# keys for the virtual console? |
| 06:02.09 | bob2 | 8/win195 |
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| 06:04.06 | Malice961 | im downloading the kernel-source files now ( i think, ) and its downloading a tar file and a dsc file. whats the dsc file? |
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| 06:04.37 | Phated | Read it after it.s downloaded. |
| 06:04.55 | strubbel | Malice961: signature |
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| 06:05.05 | Edward021 | Alguem brasileiro aew? |
| 06:05.07 | Malice961 | ahhh... okay, thanks |
| 06:05.11 | scarynetworkguy | strubbel: Wrong. |
| 06:05.16 | chealer | eh, a simple "mount" told me that I do have procfs and syfs mounted |
| 06:05.16 | strubbel | Malice961: try gpg --verify and md5sum |
| 06:05.24 | chealer | !br |
| 06:05.24 | dpkg | i guess br is Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 06:05.51 | strubbel | scarynetworkguy: could you clear me up? |
| 06:06.06 | Edward021 | Esse canal eh brasileiro? |
| 06:06.28 | chealer | !tell Edward021 about br |
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| 06:06.50 | strubbel | brb ? |
| 06:06.51 | suzzi_ | Hello all |
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| 06:07.12 | Edward021 | hello |
| 06:07.46 | strubbel | scarynetworkguy: so whats dsc then? |
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| 06:08.18 | Resonant | lspci for ethernet connector is Intel Corp.: Unkown device 1050 (rev 01) google yielded nothing of interest |
| 06:08.36 | dondelelcaro | strubbel: the description file. It tells you what you need to unpack to make a .deb |
| 06:08.46 | xoz | dsc for package mgt |
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| 06:09.00 | dondelelcaro | (it also has the side effect of having the md5sum for the .orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz if there is one) |
| 06:09.15 | suzzi_ | does any one know how I would connect to a device over a serial cable? I can do it with hypertermanal in windows, but how would I set that up in linux? |
| 06:09.38 | strubbel | dondelelcaro: thanks, now i can sleep calm |
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| 06:10.34 | nevyn | suzzi_: minicom there's a kde thing like hyperterm |
| 06:11.01 | wilbertoki | if I have a dedicated internet gateway pc going into a hub what is the best way to add a wireless hotspot but keep it seperate from trusted network (internet access only) |
| 06:11.03 | suzzi_ | nevyn: is there any way to do it via CLI? |
| 06:11.10 | nevyn | suzzi_: minicom |
| 06:11.26 | nevyn | suzzi_: minicom is the console serial tool.. |
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| 06:11.33 | strubbel | dondelelcaro: is it used by apt-get build-deb? |
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| 06:11.55 | strubbel | dondelelcaro: does apt-get check the sig? |
| 06:12.09 | suzzi_ | nevyn: cool I'll look in to that, thanks |
| 06:12.36 | xoz | suzzi_: there's a serial howto |
| 06:12.44 | philv | Anybody have experience with DAT DDS drives under Linux? |
| 06:12.52 | Resonant | question: if I am using debian and cannot find a driver, but knoppix has already proven to load the driver, 1] is the a compatible debian driver? 2] is there a way I can simply install it off the knoppix cd? |
| 06:13.19 | nevyn | Resonant: 1 yes 2 probably not. |
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| 06:13.29 | nevyn | Resonant: driver for what? |
| 06:13.33 | nevyn | philv: yep. |
| 06:13.40 | nevyn | ~tell philv about ask |
| 06:13.49 | Resonant | nevyn: a damned intel motherboard ethernet adapter |
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| 06:14.07 | suzzi_ | xoz: cool on linux doc, I guess I could have just googled first. thanks |
| 06:14.10 | Resonant | PERL board, "unkown device 1050" (rev 01) |
| 06:14.20 | nevyn | Resonant: which debian are you attempting to install? |
| 06:14.34 | Edward021 | aff...vcs entendem o q eu falo? |
| 06:14.36 | dondelelcaro | strubbel: not to my knowledge, no. It's checked by the archive, though. |
| 06:14.39 | Edward021 | vai geral se fuder |
| 06:14.39 | Malice961 | Resonant: i was going to say, if its a ATI video card, i feel your pain... |
| 06:14.39 | Resonant | the current debian installed is simply the bare-bones 3.0 stable |
| 06:14.57 | xoz | Malice961: *ethernet* |
| 06:15.00 | nevyn | Resonant: are you planning to USE stable? |
| 06:15.18 | nevyn | Resonant: for the task it may be appropriate. |
| 06:15.30 | Resonant | no, but I figured I would just apt-get everything...I failed to remember the damned card driver issue |
| 06:15.54 | nevyn | Resonant: try starting with a recent DI installer image if it's going to be a desktop. |
| 06:16.15 | Resonant | excuse me...DI? |
| 06:16.26 | Edward021 | Fuck you |
| 06:16.28 | Edward021 | fuck off |
| 06:16.33 | Edward021 | mother fucker |
| 06:16.45 | nevyn | Resonant: debian installer the new installer for sarge and future releases |
| 06:16.51 | nevyn | bob2: ping |
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| 06:17.11 | bucky | !br |
| 06:17.11 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 06:17.15 | Resonant | thank you nevyn...I shall go google and I guess redownload/burn |
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| 06:17.40 | nevyn | Resonant: it should only be ~50mb |
| 06:18.21 | Resonant | um...that is definitely not what I pulled up...could you perhaps grace me with a link? |
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| 06:18.43 | xoz | Resonant: debian.org? |
| 06:18.55 | Resonant | xoz indead :) I seem to have the wrong thing |
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| 06:19.05 | Resonant | indead = indeed |
| 06:19.30 | philv | nevyn: Any ideas why a DEC TLZ06 DAT drive will work until I shove in a tape, and then mt, dd and cpio return Input/output error, even when I use mt to just get status? |
| 06:19.46 | nevyn | Resonant: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:20.19 | nevyn | philv: do the lights on the front do anything interesting? |
| 06:20.27 | nevyn | philv: sure it doesn't want to be cleaned? |
| 06:20.57 | philv | nevyn: yeah, the write-protect blinks non-stop, about 2 Hz, but it doesn't _seem_ to be asking for cleaning (service manual says both LEDs blinking) |
| 06:21.00 | Resonant | nevyn: I am sorry, I feel stupid....I brought up that link but was looking at the wrong part |
| 06:21.22 | Resonant | is this cd basically a huge compilation of network drivers to allow you to get specific components? |
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| 06:21.52 | nevyn | philv: does service manual say anything about 1 led blinking? |
| 06:21.56 | eraser | does alsa by default play out all available cards or is there somewhere where one is configured? |
| 06:22.02 | nevyn | philv: do you know all leds work? |
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| 06:22.21 | philv | nevyn: I know all LEDs work yeah. |
| 06:22.22 | philv | Haha. |
| 06:22.24 | philv | Look at this. |
| 06:22.34 | philv | There's a different section in the service manual I found on Google. |
| 06:22.36 | philv | Bloody hell |
| 06:22.44 | philv | The manual I have doesn't have one LED. |
| 06:22.56 | philv | However, this one I got from google has one for one LED. |
| 06:22.59 | philv | It needs cleaning |
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| 06:23.04 | philv | Man I'm an idiot :) |
| 06:23.08 | philv | Cheers for the help, nevyn |
| 06:23.08 | nevyn | got a cleaning tape handy? |
| 06:23.12 | philv | That I don't. |
| 06:23.17 | philv | I'm going to have to find one |
| 06:23.38 | xoz | eraser: bothered to read the readme of alsa-base? |
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| 06:26.02 | philv | nevyn: This is a pain -- I think I threw out the DAT cleaning tape and only have my VXA-1 cleaning tape... oh well. |
| 06:26.05 | philv | Thanks for the help |
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| 06:27.01 | nevyn | philv: cleaning tapes only have a life of 20 cleans or so anyway |
| 06:27.39 | philv | Yeah. I'm going to have to find somewhere I can get some cheap... any old cleaning tape should do the job, eh? |
| 06:28.01 | philv | DAT cleaning tape, I mean :) |
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| 06:30.00 | Enflam3D_89 | How can I set the default login manager to KDM? |
| 06:30.13 | cat | apt-get remove gdm |
| 06:30.32 | Enflam3D_89 | Isn't there a file I can edit? |
| 06:30.33 | zinx | update-alternatives might do it.. i think it's "x-display-manager" or something |
| 06:30.50 | Enflam3D_89 | zinx: Thanks, I will try that now. |
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| 06:30.54 | nevyn | philv: yeah a dat cleaning tape is a dat cleaning tape. |
| 06:30.58 | cat | Enflam3D_89 dpkg-reconfigure default-display-manage |
| 06:31.02 | cat | Enflam3D_89 dpkg-reconfigure default-display-manager |
| 06:31.04 | cat | there we go =-) |
| 06:31.13 | Enflam3D_89 | cat: thank you :) |
| 06:31.17 | cat | np |
| 06:31.36 | Rennegade | hey guys real quick question. Where is a user login scrpit stored? |
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| 06:31.45 | Enflam3D_89 | cat: Package `default-display-manager' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 06:31.48 | cat | Rennegade /etc/init.d |
| 06:31.57 | cat | interesting |
| 06:32.10 | Biovore | maybe some more detail rennegade.. witch one? |
| 06:32.12 | nevyn | Rennegade: which one? |
| 06:32.17 | chealer | default-display-manager?? |
| 06:32.18 | nevyn | cat: WRONG. |
| 06:32.39 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.40 | nevyn | cat: /etc/init.d/ are the system initialisation scripts |
| 06:32.41 | cat | there we go =) |
| 06:32.44 | Enflam3D_89 | Thanks :) |
| 06:33.08 | nevyn | Rennegade: for most purposes /etc/profile should suffice tho |
| 06:33.10 | Enflam3D_89 | ah I see |
| 06:33.18 | cat | Enflam3D_89 did it work? |
| 06:33.23 | Enflam3D_89 | cat: I just edit it, and replace 'gdm' with 'kdm' right? |
| 06:33.28 | Rennegade | nevyn: not the system ones. Just a echo my friend put in I want to change |
| 06:33.30 | cat | yes |
| 06:33.37 | Enflam3D_89 | Okay, I will test it now. |
| 06:34.10 | nevyn | Rennegade: your own is probably .bash_profile but may be .profile or .bashrc depending on your shell |
| 06:34.43 | nevyn | Rennegade: bash has lots of startup files read the docs for details. |
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| 06:37.21 | Rennegade | I still cant find it. What are some of the auto-run scripts? |
| 06:37.35 | pestilen1e | could somebody help me, i seem to have lost my voice |
| 06:37.42 | peterS | pestilen1e: huh? |
| 06:37.59 | pestilen1e | one of the ops took my voice away |
| 06:38.02 | pestilen1e | see: pestilence |
| 06:38.35 | cat | there's no voice here, |
| 06:38.54 | pestilen1e | well, anytime i write something to the channel, this appears in my control window |
| 06:39.06 | pestilen1e | #debian The channel demigods have stolen your voice |
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| 06:39.34 | nevyn | pestilen1e: you need to /cycle if that happens |
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| 06:39.47 | peterS | nevyn: it'll say that if he's got a +q flag |
| 06:40.02 | pestilen1e | nevyn: nope, didn't work |
| 06:40.11 | nevyn | I also get it on #debian-overflow sometimes. |
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| 06:41.35 | pestilen1e | it's quite annoying...the "incident" which resulted in my loss of voice was fairly mild, imo |
| 06:41.42 | Rennegade | let me try this. Where would I put in a command to start screen when a user logs in? |
| 06:41.58 | pestilen1e | logs into a console? |
| 06:42.04 | Rennegade | yeah |
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| 06:43.53 | pestilen1e | what shell are you running? |
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| 06:44.27 | nevyn | Rennegade: depends on the shell. |
| 06:44.41 | Rennegade | bash |
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| 06:45.08 | pestilen1e | that got me curious, could you change shell to "screen bash"? |
| 06:45.21 | pestilen1e | probably not |
| 06:45.50 | nevyn | pestilen1e: umm sure. |
| 06:46.01 | pestilen1e | but, would it work :) |
| 06:46.04 | nevyn | pestilen1e: you'd need to be root tho. |
| 06:46.07 | Rennegade | pestilen1e: My linux guru friend just edited some file that loads screen on login |
| 06:46.36 | pestilen1e | perhaps .bash_profile |
| 06:46.59 | ksteward | i'm trying to assess the best linux to use. I've been using RedHat versions since 1995 upto v9. Tonight i ran into the dreaded corrupted rpm problem on RH9 and decided to look at Debian. I've tended to avoid Debian because i suspected it lacked the integrated testing of a single party like RH. With RH9 problems though, and with RH8 being stabler but old now, i'm considering Debian. Q: how stable and reliable is Debian compared to RedHat 8? |
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| 06:47.43 | nevyn | ksteward: umm that's going to be an unpopular viewpoint here. |
| 06:47.43 | pestilen1e | if it doesn't exist, create it |
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| 06:48.32 | nevyn | ksteward: I would consider debian far more integrated consistant and reliable than any of redhats releases. why havn't you progressed to fedora? |
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| 06:48.48 | ksteward | i'm not trying to create a flame or religious war -- just to learn how reliable Debian is. |
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| 06:49.08 | nevyn | ksteward: what's the critera for assessment of reliability? |
| 06:49.09 | pestilen1e | ksteward: debian stable is *very* stable |
| 06:49.59 | nevyn | ksteward: I have debian machines that have run sid for many years. |
| 06:50.05 | ksteward | Fedora sounds like its too bleading edge -- lots of new technologies being added, which is why RH backed off of Fedora to focus on their RH Enterprise linux. |
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| 06:50.39 | Enflam3D_89 | Argh! My X is stuffed... |
| 06:50.42 | nevyn | that's not exactly the case... |
| 06:51.05 | pestilen1e | so, the question i came here for: i have a cron job that is very i/o intensive. every time it runs, my machine practically becomes unuseable. i have the process nice'd to 19, is there anything else i can do? |
| 06:51.10 | ksteward | i'm looking for reliability rather than cutting edge features, but i'm too cheap to pay the $1400+ for RH Enterprise linux. |
| 06:51.36 | ksteward | i've mostly used RH8 because it seemed more reliable than RH9. |
| 06:51.45 | maher | ksteward: stable is stable - it only gets security fixes |
| 06:51.59 | nevyn | ksteward: debian stable sounds like it would fit your requirements admirably |
| 06:52.04 | maher | ksteward: what is the corrupted rpm problem? |
| 06:52.20 | nevyn | maher: the rpm binary database gets foobar |
| 06:52.25 | Enflam3D_89 | XF86 gets an error when I try to start it. It can't seem to find the 'radeon' driver, but I guess I can fix that by making it use vesa, but the other problem is that it can't seem to find my mouse. I assumed my mouse was located at /dev/mouse but I don't think it seems to be. How can I find out where it is? |
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| 06:52.56 | ksteward | rpm problem has hit me several times, mostly on RH9 -- stops working. Have to clear out lock files and rebuild the rpm db |
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| 06:53.14 | nevyn | ksteward: debian has the same data in a flat text file. |
| 06:53.33 | nevyn | which is slower. but it means you can dive in with vi and remove/repair junk data. |
| 06:53.37 | blujay | Hi, I just put in a new hard drive and installed Sarge on it. Is there a way I can copy all of my home directory from my old disk to my home directory on the new disk and get all of my data and program settings, config files, etc? |
| 06:53.39 | ksteward | i like the apt-get system that came from Debian. Pretty slick. |
| 06:53.47 | chealer | Enflam3D_89: /dev/input/mice |
| 06:53.52 | maher | nevyn: ksteward but if the file gets corrupt its still a bunch of work to fix it - that's what backups are for |
| 06:54.04 | pestilen1e | Enflam3D_89: maybe not the best way, but you can cat a /dev file you suspect, and look for output when you move the mouse |
| 06:54.06 | chealer | Enflam3D_89: hum not 100% sure though |
| 06:54.17 | pestilen1e | Enflam3D_89: for example, "cat /dev/input/mice" :) |
| 06:54.19 | maher | blujay: mount the old drive and use cp |
| 06:54.24 | nevyn | maher: sure but at least you CAN fix it. on rh it's a berkley db but you can't dump it if it's corrupt. so your SOL |
| 06:54.27 | Enflam3D_89 | pestilen1e: X won't even start. |
| 06:54.36 | pestilen1e | Enflam3D_89: doesn't matter |
| 06:54.51 | pestilen1e | for the mouse, anyways ;) |
| 06:54.53 | blujay | maher, I've tried that, but doing `cp -a` doesn't seem to copy .files |
| 06:54.55 | Enflam3D_89 | pestilen1e: Alright, I will reboot and try it. I will also try and get irssi working. |
| 06:55.32 | nevyn | nevyn@gophed:~/kernel/kernel-source-2.6.10$ df |
| 06:55.33 | nevyn | -bash: /bin/df: Input/output error |
| 06:55.35 | ksteward | so are people running mission critical functions on Debian? What kind of results? |
| 06:55.43 | chealer | !mouse |
| 06:55.44 | dpkg | mouse is probably if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. |
| 06:55.45 | nevyn | ksteward: define mission critical. |
| 06:55.47 | chealer | ^^wow |
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| 06:56.21 | ksteward | corporate databases, ERPs, accounting, DNS, ec |
| 06:56.27 | pestilen1e | ksteward: my understanding is that debian stable is considered "production" stable |
| 06:56.28 | nevyn | I have a hosting company that use debian stable for virtualhosting 40 or 50 clients web sites..dns mail. |
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| 06:56.43 | nevyn | ksteward: debian stable is a production enterprise os. |
| 06:56.49 | blujay | nevyn, did you have to use packages from testing to get things like PHP4? |
| 06:56.58 | pestilen1e | blujay: use backports |
| 06:56.59 | nevyn | blujay: don't provide php4 |
| 06:57.09 | blujay | ah...wow |
| 06:57.16 | pestilen1e | http://www.backports.org/ |
| 06:57.20 | nevyn | blujay: this is mostly straight flat html and a few simple forms |
| 06:57.24 | maher | blujay: try rsync |
| 06:57.39 | Pythe | dang I need sleep. -Out |
| 06:57.47 | blujay | maher: ok, thanks...that may be a bit over my head but maybe I can get it to work |
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| 06:58.00 | ksteward | back to my orig. question: anyone used both RH8 and Debian? Which do they prefer? |
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| 06:58.21 | pestilen1e | here in #debian, we prefer debian. go figure |
| 06:58.23 | m0rbid|gone | rh8 suck |
| 06:58.29 | nevyn | ~tell Phirez about root |
| 06:58.42 | ksteward | right, i guess my question has an obvious answer here. |
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| 06:59.11 | BrianAnthony | can someone tell me how to change my screen resolution |
| 06:59.23 | nevyn | BrianAnthony: reconfigure X |
| 06:59.27 | BrianAnthony | 800x600 is hurting my eyes |
| 06:59.27 | chealer | ksteward: indeed |
| 06:59.46 | BrianAnthony | I have to go through the whole configuration to change it? |
| 06:59.47 | blujay | BrianAnthony, you might have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 also |
| 07:00.12 | nevyn | ksteward: I've had to do work on RH7.2 and rh 8 machiens I found the experience extremely painful. |
| 07:00.14 | ksteward | let me rephrase -- anyone having used Debian see it fail in any way. Anything to be cautious about? |
| 07:00.43 | nevyn | ksteward: I've had some doozies on my desktop running sid but rarely anything using stable. |
| 07:00.48 | jetscreamer | !xrandr |
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| 07:00.56 | ksteward | sorry, sid? |
| 07:00.58 | jetscreamer | tabtabtab |
| 07:01.01 | nevyn | occasionally the age of stable hurts (particularly drivers) |
| 07:01.04 | jetscreamer | !xrander |
| 07:01.08 | nevyn | ksteward: the unstable release of debian |
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| 07:01.22 | nevyn | ksteward: debian comes in three flavors stable, testing, and unstable |
| 07:01.26 | joe666 | hi, how can I force the check of the root filesystem upon next reboot ? |
| 07:01.35 | ksteward | sid=..? |
| 07:01.37 | nevyn | unstable is bleeding edge and quite similar to fedora core. |
| 07:01.39 | jetscreamer | shutdown -Fr now joe666 |
| 07:01.40 | nevyn | ksteward: unstable |
| 07:01.48 | joe666 | jetscreamer, thanksç |
| 07:02.00 | nevyn | ksteward: stable=woody, testing=sarge, unstable=sid |
| 07:02.04 | jetscreamer | dpkg, xrandr is used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. |
| 07:02.04 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 07:02.10 | pestilen1e | does anybody know how long dvd+rw's are supposed to last? i thought i read 1000 writes, but i don't understand how that is defined....i had a dvdrw with bad sectors after about 50 writes |
| 07:02.14 | peterS | joe666: or just 'touch /forcefsck' and then shut down normally |
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| 07:02.35 | pestilen1e | is one write = one execution of growisofs? |
| 07:02.40 | joe666 | peterS, okay thanks, already trying with the shutdown comand, but is good to know |
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| 07:02.40 | jetscreamer | peterS, does that file get autodeleted? |
| 07:02.46 | peterS | jetscreamer: yep |
| 07:02.51 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 07:02.56 | blujay | pestilen1e, it probably depends on the individual media, who made it, quality-control, luck of the draw, etc |
| 07:02.58 | nokia6000 | anyone know how to remaster a bootable .iso file? |
| 07:03.15 | ksteward | ok. Sounds like no complaints about Debian from this crowd. I guess i'll just have to give it a try. |
| 07:03.17 | pestilen1e | blujay: i hope it was just luck of the draw, i think the media is quality (from everything i have read) |
| 07:03.17 | peterS | jetscreamer: /etc/rcS.d/S30checkfs.sh: rm -f /fastboot /forcefsck |
| 07:03.19 | blujay | nokia6000, check Google? :) |
| 07:03.25 | blujay | pestilen1e, what brand is it? |
| 07:03.31 | pestilen1e | blujay: ridata |
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| 07:03.37 | blujay | pestilen1e, never heard of it |
| 07:03.48 | ksteward | thanks! Adios amigos! |
| 07:03.51 | pestilen1e | blujay: what brand do you go with |
| 07:03.53 | jetscreamer | what exactly does /fastboot do, as opposed to normal |
| 07:04.09 | blujay | pestilen1e, I don't have a DVD burner, only a CD burner, but some good brands I know of are TDK and Taiyo Yuden |
| 07:04.24 | blujay | pestilen1e, never had any probs with TDK |
| 07:04.29 | pestilen1e | http://www.newegg.com/app/searchProductResult.asp?Submit=Go&Range=1&DEPA=0&bop=and&description=ridata&InnerManu=2015 |
| 07:04.44 | blujay | pestilen1e, google for "good dvd-rw brands" or something like that |
| 07:04.50 | blujay | pestilen1e, that's how I found good CD brands |
| 07:04.55 | pestilen1e | blujay: i think tdk buys cd's and relabels them, i could be wrong |
| 07:05.10 | blujay | pestilen1e: no, they make them themselves |
| 07:05.14 | pestilen1e | blujay: oh, ok |
| 07:05.29 | peterS | pestilen1e: relabeling a CD as a DVD-RW is likely to not work too well (: |
| 07:05.34 | blujay | pestilen1e: I like them also because you can get ones that have nothing on the label side, so you get maximum writing surface |
| 07:05.38 | pestilen1e | blujay: that's how i found out about ridata/ritek |
| 07:05.43 | jetscreamer | tdk made cassettes, and probably 8tracks too |
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| 07:05.50 | pestilen1e | peterS: that's not what i meant |
| 07:05.55 | peterS | I know |
| 07:06.00 | pestilen1e | peterS: :) |
| 07:06.11 | lawnchair | PALUKA |
| 07:06.19 | nevyn | ok anyone got any ideas on this: nevyn@gophed:~$ vim |
| 07:06.20 | nevyn | -bash: /usr/bin/vim: Input/output error |
| 07:06.25 | m0rbid|gone | ok this might be a dumb question, but does the gngeo package come with the roms???! |
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| 07:06.40 | pestilen1e | blujay: how does having nothing on the label side affect writing surface? |
| 07:06.53 | nevyn | m0rbid|gone: I can safely say the answer to that is if it does they suck. |
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| 07:06.59 | idnar | m0rbid|gone: no |
| 07:07.01 | blujay | pestilen1e: what I mean is, it's not cluttered up with a bunch of logos or brand names, or "write your label here" type stuff |
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| 07:07.13 | pestilen1e | blujay: oh, i get it now :) |
| 07:07.15 | nevyn | m0rbid|gone: it possibly ships with some free homebrew stuff. |
| 07:07.23 | peterS | m0rbid|gone: in general, the fact that you're talking about "ROMs" implies that nothing in Debian probably ships them, since they're rarely free software (and in fact sometimes they're not even legal to redistribute) |
| 07:07.26 | pestilen1e | blujay: i was thinking data writing surface |
| 07:07.37 | blujay | pestilen1e: :) sometimes you have to look twice to see which side is which |
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| 07:07.42 | blujay | pestilen1e: especially with RW's |
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| 07:07.54 | jetscreamer | heh the apt update in sid is borked |
| 07:07.56 | nevyn | peterS: there are free homebrew roms for a number of platforms and emulators. |
| 07:08.15 | peterS | nevyn: hey, could be. I only report what I hear, I haven't tried these things |
| 07:08.17 | pestilen1e | blujay: that doesn't happen with the dvd+rw's i bought...the write side is a totally different color than the label side |
| 07:08.17 | nevyn | now I have to reboot... |
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| 07:08.47 | blujay | pestilen1e: yeah. I've *heard* that the best CDs are ones whose data surface is almost the same color as the label surface. i.e. the green ones are the worst |
| 07:08.48 | pestilen1e | blujay: then again, it does have a logo on it (albeit a hard to read one) |
| 07:08.50 | chealer | jetscreamer: nice /topic? |
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| 07:09.02 | jetscreamer | i dunno is it in the topic? |
| 07:09.10 | chealer | no, but a good candidate |
| 07:09.37 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:10.11 | chealer | hum, not sure what you mean. is it as cool as PAM problems? |
| 07:10.26 | ugexe | what utility do i use to create a ntfs partition? |
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| 07:10.33 | jetscreamer | cfdisk |
| 07:10.46 | jetscreamer | it's just a missing libcc1 or something |
| 07:10.56 | jetscreamer | you can use fdisk also |
| 07:10.59 | chealer | I guess I need to go sleep. thanks for all |
| 07:11.03 | peterS | ugexe: right, cfdisk. to format an ntfs filesystem, you use mkfs.ntfs from the ntfsprogs package, but if you just need to allocate a partition, you can do that in cfdisk |
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| 07:11.26 | jetscreamer | it's type 07 or 0b i forget |
| 07:11.45 | Enflam3D_89 | Okay, well I got X working just fine now, but when I typed 'startx' it automatically logged me in to GNOME. :S |
| 07:11.58 | jetscreamer | got something besides gnome? |
| 07:12.19 | Enflam3D_89 | jetscreamer: Yes, I have KDE, and have used it. |
| 07:12.28 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kdm |
| 07:12.35 | Enflam3D_89 | jetscreamer: I also have it configured to start kdm by default |
| 07:12.35 | blujay | Enflam3D_89: choose KDE as your session before you log in |
| 07:12.35 | jetscreamer | or gdm |
| 07:12.54 | jetscreamer | yeah it's under the right hand button iirc |
| 07:12.55 | Enflam3D_89 | blujay: A login manager didn't appear when I typed 'startx' |
| 07:13.01 | ugexe | cfdisk gives me illegal heads value |
| 07:13.02 | blujay | Enflam3D_89: oh, sorry |
| 07:13.02 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:13.15 | maher | Enflam3D_89: because you were already logged in |
| 07:13.24 | jetscreamer | Enflam3D_89, try alt+F7 |
| 07:13.26 | Enflam3D_89 | I suppose... |
| 07:13.33 | Enflam3D_89 | Oh! It appears KDM wasn't installed :S |
| 07:13.52 | Enflam3D_89 | I think I have it sorted now, BRB, I will try. |
| 07:13.55 | jetscreamer | it's not installed with the kde metapackage iirc, but i'm not sure |
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| 07:14.17 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.22 | jetscreamer | doh |
| 07:14.40 | jetscreamer | ugexe, that's weird |
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| 07:15.58 | jetscreamer | ugexe, what exactly did you type? cfdisk /dev/??? |
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| 07:16.27 | Enflam3D_89 | Sweet, I got it working now. |
| 07:16.34 | jetscreamer | hoorah |
| 07:16.37 | joe666 | is there a way to tell lilo that a particular filesystem should be mounted read-only ? |
| 07:16.42 | ugexe | jetscreamer, just cfdisk |
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| 07:17.00 | jetscreamer | ugexe, cfdisk /dev/hda or b or c or d |
| 07:17.01 | pook | as a reminder.... can you guys tell me how to play random noise |
| 07:17.12 | jetscreamer | joe666, man fstab |
| 07:17.19 | pook | its something like cat /dev/random > /dev/... |
| 07:17.38 | ugexe | jetscreamer, how do i know which one i need to cfdisk? the drive isnt partitioned or mounted |
| 07:17.42 | jetscreamer | /dev/dsp maybe |
| 07:17.49 | pook | yah..thx |
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| 07:18.02 | ugexe | its a second sata drive |
| 07:18.04 | jetscreamer | ugexe, what ide is it on, on the ribbon cable? |
| 07:18.05 | BrianAnthony | My driver for my Radeon 9550 is only in RPM. I downloaded RPM and it wouldn't unpackage it... so I used what it suggested in the error. alien. alien said in converted the file to .deb, so I tryed to run it from nautilus and got an error |
| 07:18.05 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:18.09 | joe666 | jetscreamer, well, that's the issue, some fool here changed fstab, and set readonly on the root filesystem, now the system can't boot, even worse, he has no boot floppy nor a debian or another linux CD at hand |
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| 07:18.15 | BrianAnthony | can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong |
| 07:18.39 | ugexe | jetscreamer, sda1, 3, 5 are what are being used by linux... i dont know which sda ones this drive would be on |
| 07:18.57 | ugexe | jetscreamer, i would guess 6 but i dunno |
| 07:18.59 | jetscreamer | mount --remount -o rw or something maybe joe666 not exactly sure |
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| 07:19.04 | blujay | pook... |
| 07:19.19 | blujay | try something like `aplay /dev/random`...but turn down your speakers first, wouldn't want to damage them |
| 07:19.30 | jetscreamer | ugexe, it'd be /dev/sda or b or c or d or e |
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| 07:19.41 | jetscreamer | you don't add a partition number |
| 07:19.47 | jetscreamer | jsut specify the hd |
| 07:19.55 | ugexe | oh so since its the second one it would most likely be b then right |
| 07:19.57 | joe666 | jetscreamer, ok, the problem is he can't boot, but well, he deserves it |
| 07:20.02 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 07:20.17 | jetscreamer | joe666, maybe single at the boot: prompt, but i'm not sure |
| 07:20.36 | joe666 | jetscreamer, let me try that to see if he can get a prompt, thanks for the help |
| 07:20.41 | BrianAnthony | anyone? |
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| 07:20.53 | jetscreamer | joe666, i mean when the system first boots |
| 07:20.58 | jetscreamer | and you see boot: |
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| 07:21.02 | joe666 | jetscreamer, yes, at the linux prompt |
| 07:21.09 | jetscreamer | ah okie |
| 07:21.39 | jetscreamer | ugexe, yeah... just try it, and if it's empty you found it |
| 07:21.48 | blujay | BrianAnthony: use dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 07:22.11 | blujay | BrianAnthony: But I wouldn't count on it working properly, since it was an RPM |
| 07:22.21 | ugexe | jetscreamer, HPFS/NTFS is the correct one for ntfs then? not one of the 2 NTFS VOLUME SETs? |
| 07:22.25 | BrianAnthony | what other options do I have? |
| 07:22.31 | jetscreamer | correct ugexe |
| 07:22.32 | blujay | BrianAnthony: I don't know, I'm sorry |
| 07:22.39 | BrianAnthony | X doesn't have my particular driver =/ |
| 07:22.43 | sepski | BrianAnthony, ask dpkg with /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 07:22.46 | BrianAnthony | They only have a genric Radeon |
| 07:22.53 | blujay | BrianAnthony: I suppose extract the RPM and see if you can install it manually |
| 07:22.53 | sepski | BrianAnthony, also ask about ati and radeon |
| 07:22.54 | jetscreamer | ugexe, the other is for a dynamic disk windows style i think, maybe |
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| 07:23.03 | jetscreamer | volume |
| 07:23.10 | blujay | Whoooo! rsync rocks! |
| 07:23.23 | ugexe | well time to test, thanks for the help jetscreamer |
| 07:23.56 | jetscreamer | well no ntfsfix for him if he writes to it after 'format' |
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| 07:27.37 | mattilius | may i ask a routing question? |
| 07:27.57 | pook | you may sir knight |
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| 07:28.02 | bkw-lth | :] |
| 07:28.04 | jetscreamer | apt depends on libgcc1 (>= 4.0) |
| 07:28.36 | jetscreamer | !tell mattilius about ask |
| 07:28.45 | mattilius | Is there a way that i could make any incoming connections forward to a particular IP on a particular interface, if the incoming port is closed? |
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| 07:29.42 | mattilius | i have masquerading set up properly, the address i want to forward to is static |
| 07:30.09 | sepski | mattilius, if we assume your asking about port forwarding a port, then yes ofcourse, ask dpkg about port forwarding, or use shorewall and read the easy tutorials on www.shorewall.net |
| 07:30.26 | mattilius | well, i have to set particular ports right? |
| 07:30.27 | the_g0d | i get this error when trying to open openvpn: Fri Feb 11 09:28:56 2005 us=68776 Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such device (errno=19) ... but the file /dev/net/tun is there |
| 07:30.33 | mattilius | What i want: |
| 07:30.55 | mattilius | say, someone tries to connect to me at port 7674, i want the connection to passed down my NAT to a different address |
| 07:31.13 | mattilius | but at the same time, if i had anything on the NAT listening on 7674, i would want it to be connected, instead of forwarded |
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| 07:31.58 | sepski | then script something that removes the forwarding when you start whatever listening on 7674 |
| 07:32.10 | mattilius | i would rather it not be scripted |
| 07:32.37 | mattilius | well, i could forward the ports by hand, but its too bad i cant have it work automatically |
| 07:32.45 | mattilius | unless... |
| 07:32.49 | mattilius | brb |
| 07:33.00 | sepski | mattilius, im not saying it cant be done, only that I dont know how |
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| 07:35.46 | jazzmanss | what is a symlink? mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/btcompletedirgui.1.gz is a dangling symlink? |
| 07:35.56 | jetscreamer | no |
| 07:36.03 | jetscreamer | .gz is a gzipped file |
| 07:36.14 | jazzmanss | cron is writing this to /var/mail/username |
| 07:36.19 | jm_ | it's a symbloic link, man ln |
| 07:36.24 | jetscreamer | but that means the symlink which refers to that file is missing |
| 07:36.28 | jm_ | symbolic even |
| 07:36.31 | jetscreamer | err |
| 07:36.37 | jetscreamer | the file the symlink refers to |
| 07:36.43 | jazzmanss | man ln ? |
| 07:36.47 | jetscreamer | L |
| 07:36.49 | jetscreamer | l |
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| 07:37.07 | jazzmanss | no manual entry for li |
| 07:37.12 | jetscreamer | ln |
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| 07:37.24 | jazzmanss | ok, larry nevada |
| 07:37.29 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 07:37.47 | jetscreamer | !lart n00b |
| 07:38.05 | jazzmanss | yes, I am total n00b on some things, linux is/has been totally self taught. |
| 07:38.22 | jetscreamer | no... larry nevada... lart noob... |
| 07:38.24 | jetscreamer | ln |
| 07:38.30 | bcerhart | is it technically possible for a dvd writer to cause hard drives to fail if connected to the same power cord from a power supply? |
| 07:38.40 | jazzmanss | ya, i figured that out ten seconds after I hit enter lol! |
| 07:38.44 | jm_ | bcerhart: yes, if it can't get enough power |
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| 07:39.16 | the_g0d | is there a way to make a kernel module without rebuilding the kernel (i don't whant to reboot) ? |
| 07:39.25 | bcerhart | jm_: would you consider yourself very technically apt? |
| 07:39.45 | jm_ | bcerhart: that depends on the area |
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| 07:40.26 | jetscreamer | bcerhart, sometimes on some boxes, which hd's or cd's you have hooked up where determines if it likes cable select or detests it |
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| 07:40.42 | bcerhart | i've been having a lot of problems with this dvd writer that i bought. i think the model may actually have a design flaw that has caused one of my SATA HDs to fail & the other I think is failing too |
| 07:40.49 | Ashtars_fanclub | how long before 2.6.10 gets to sarge? |
| 07:40.56 | jazzmanss | ok, man ln doesn't help enough, should I just remove the symbolic link(s) that are dangling? |
| 07:41.33 | jetscreamer | jazzmans, the documentation for that bittorrent thing is missing |
| 07:41.37 | bcerhart | i have a lot of reasons to think that too, although i've never heard of it happening before |
| 07:41.55 | jetscreamer | you 'can' remove it, or reinstall bittorrent or somelthing |
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| 07:42.11 | daaani | how do i check my ip? |
| 07:42.16 | jetscreamer | ifconfig |
| 07:42.19 | jazzmanss | I never had bittorrent installed AFAIK, using sarge rcII and amd64 sid, |
| 07:42.19 | the_g0d | ifconfig |
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| 07:42.46 | bcerhart | can you recommend a channel where i can get more support for this? |
| 07:42.55 | jetscreamer | well that's definitely bittorrent or bittornado or so |
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| 07:43.18 | jazzmanss | If it was a meta package of kde or xfce maybe. Otherwise, I don't know how/why it is installed in the first place. |
| 07:43.28 | the_g0d | i get this error when trying to open openvpn: Fri Feb 11 09:28:56 2005 us=68776 Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such device (errno=19) ... but the file /dev/net/tun is there, can anyone help me with this one ? |
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| 07:43.41 | daaani | ipconfig not found?? how do i install it? |
| 07:43.41 | jetscreamer | try apt-get remove --purge bittor* |
| 07:43.48 | jetscreamer | IF not IP |
| 07:43.49 | bcerhart | omg lokitorrent is down |
| 07:43.51 | jetscreamer | if |
| 07:43.56 | jetscreamer | no it's closed |
| 07:44.07 | bcerhart | yeah |
| 07:44.07 | bcerhart | gone |
| 07:44.13 | jetscreamer | he turned over his logs, too |
| 07:44.18 | Ashtars_fanclub | lokitorrent what is that? |
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| 07:44.34 | jetscreamer | it's a 1337 haxor site |
| 07:44.40 | Ashtars_fanclub | warez? |
| 07:44.50 | sussudio | 31337 \/\/4nkz0r5! |
| 07:45.08 | jetscreamer | !torrent |
| 07:45.14 | Ashtars_fanclub | hmm |
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| 07:45.19 | jazzmanss | if I do apt-get remove --purge bittor* bittorrent and bittorent=gui are removed. hmm. |
| 07:45.19 | jetscreamer | heh everybody knows what a torrent is |
| 07:45.26 | Ashtars_fanclub | we have a swedish torrent site |
| 07:45.31 | Ashtars_fanclub | thepiratebay.org |
| 07:45.38 | sussudio | Svenskä gruskä wit dü teflon un dü birdie birdie un dü břrk břrk břrk |
| 07:45.39 | jetscreamer | there are 1000's |
| 07:45.42 | peterS | if I ever write a bt client I'm naming it bittorment. assuming the name isn't taken by then for a competing implementation |
| 07:45.44 | jetscreamer | been there |
| 07:45.59 | sussudio | bitbadgerer |
| 07:46.06 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 07:46.18 | blujay | Is there a grep-like tool that does replacing instead of just searching? |
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| 07:46.28 | jm_ | blujay: sed, sarep, ... |
| 07:46.28 | peterS | blujay: sed s/foo/bar/ |
| 07:46.34 | blujay | thank you |
| 07:46.40 | peterS | blujay: sed -i s/foo/bar/ if you want it to replace the input files directly, instead of just producing output files |
| 07:46.53 | jm_ | or ed, vim and so on |
| 07:47.19 | blujay | what I'm trying to do is replace all instances of "/home/username1" with "/home/username2" after copying an entire home directory to another user's home directory |
| 07:47.24 | jetscreamer | perl is cool |
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| 07:47.40 | mattilius | Ok, i need some help with iptables |
| 07:47.42 | peterS | blujay: right, sed -i 's,/home/username1,/home/username2,g' filenames.... |
| 07:47.43 | jm_ | yes, perl also knows -i, in fact, it had it long before GNU sed |
| 07:47.53 | mattilius | i just tried the man page, --help, and some tutorials online. |
| 07:47.55 | peterS | jm_: indeed, but perl is overkill for such a simple search/replace |
| 07:47.56 | Ashtars_fanclub | is xfce 4.2 in sid? |
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| 07:47.59 | mattilius | Waaay to much info |
| 07:48.03 | jake | hi all |
| 07:48.07 | mattilius | all i need to know is how to forward a range of ports |
| 07:48.10 | blujay | peterS: thanks... |
| 07:48.25 | jm_ | peterS: true, but it may help, because sed in Woody can't do this |
| 07:48.30 | peterS | blujay: the traditional separator in sed 's/foo/bar/' is inconvenient when you're talking about pathnames, so you pick a different one, like you just saw me do (: |
| 07:48.38 | peterS | jm_: it can't? wow, I did not know that |
| 07:48.38 | mattilius | and how to drop any other incomming connection attempts |
| 07:48.40 | blujay | peterS: is there an easy way to make sed recurse directories? |
| 07:48.48 | jm_ | peterS: it was introduced sometime last year IIRC |
| 07:48.51 | jake | This may be a dumb question, but whats a good terminal? I mean one I can make the text look nice. No matter what font i use, it looks crappy.... |
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| 07:48.55 | peterS | blujay: find /somewhere -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i .... |
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| 07:49.04 | peterS | blujay: that's your best bet, although I know it's a lot of typing |
| 07:49.05 | jetscreamer | you escape the paths |
| 07:49.20 | blujay | peterS: hm...wow...thanks |
| 07:49.45 | peterS | blujay: unfortunately, sed doesn't have a -r like grep does. well, sed has a -r but it doesn't mean that |
| 07:50.10 | marcus_attilius | So, can anyone help me out with iptables? (damn overcomplex and non-user friendly) |
| 07:50.30 | marcus_attilius | ... a gui for basic settings would be nice :/ |
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| 07:50.36 | jetscreamer | lokkit |
| 07:50.48 | jetscreamer | very basic |
| 07:50.54 | jake | marcus_attilius, one such thing exists. Cant remember what its called.... |
| 07:51.06 | marcus_attilius | can it do forwardign and port ranges? |
| 07:51.13 | jetscreamer | nooooo |
| 07:51.24 | jetscreamer | sory i forgot |
| 07:51.25 | blujay | peterS: by any chance have you done this before? copying one user profile to another with a different name? |
| 07:51.48 | jetscreamer | shorewall maybe? |
| 07:51.52 | TolkienLuver | 0-59/1 * * * * /usr/local/mysql/bin/safe_mysqld start>/dev/null |
| 07:51.53 | peterS | blujay: yeah, I do that sort of thing pretty much as you're describing |
| 07:51.55 | TolkienLuver | oops.... |
| 07:51.55 | peterS | you should know, as jm_ points out, that the 'sed' in debian 3.0 (woody) does not support the -i option. fortunately, perl has almost exactly the same syntax for such simple things |
| 07:51.56 | TolkienLuver | -_- |
| 07:52.00 | peterS | blujay: ^^^ |
| 07:52.01 | marcus_attilius | :/ basically i have two ranges i want forwarded, and everything else (except echo) closed (not stealthed) |
| 07:52.02 | jake | marcus_attilius, iptables, or the gui ? yeah both can |
| 07:52.29 | blujay | peterS: thank you again...I'm running testing though... yeah I copied the files with rsync but when I try to log in to GNOME I get some errors, so I grep'ed and saw that /home/username1 is in a lot of files :( |
| 07:52.39 | peterS | blujay: with perl, you'd say "perl -pi -e s,/home/user1,/home/user2,g" instead of "sed -i s,/home/user1,/home/user2,g" |
| 07:52.59 | marcus_attilius | is webmin safe? |
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| 07:53.04 | peterS | blujay: other than perl having a -p in there, it's identical for this case (sed can have a -e too but it's non-optional in perl) |
| 07:53.07 | marcus_attilius | its got an iptables module |
| 07:53.12 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 07:53.13 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 07:53.13 | blujay | peterS: thanks, you're the man :) |
| 07:53.17 | peterS | no problem |
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| 07:53.42 | marcus_attilius | ok, it wont be exposed :) |
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| 07:54.16 | marcus_attilius | is there any other GUI based one? Im trying to avoid fighting with syntax |
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| 07:54.32 | jetscreamer | shorewall maybe |
| 07:54.51 | marcus_attilius | shorewall is an iptables replacement |
| 07:55.00 | marcus_attilius | at least thats what i get from the package description |
| 07:55.01 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 07:55.05 | marcus_attilius | lol |
| 07:55.06 | jetscreamer | not afaik |
| 07:55.09 | jetscreamer | cr |
| 07:55.28 | jetscreamer | !shorewall |
| 07:55.28 | dpkg | The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. See http://www.shorewall.net/ |
| 07:55.53 | marcus_attilius | so does it USE iptables or replace it? |
| 07:55.57 | sepski | USE |
| 07:56.32 | TolkienLuver | !m0n0wall |
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| 07:57.20 | jetscreamer | go to the site |
| 07:58.16 | mike_ | hi, im trying to add a user account to mysql using phpmyadmin. it keeps saying #1045 - Access denied for user: 'mike@localhost' (Using password: YES) . I have added the account correctly. Anyone know whats wrong? or point out something i missed. |
| 07:58.34 | jm_ | peterS: I was way off, the change was introduced back in 2001, but sed from Woody is actually that old |
| 07:58.37 | valdyn | marcus_attilius: shorewall uses iptables to createa firewall from its config files, which are quite a bit easier to admin than iptables scripts.. |
| 07:58.54 | marcus_attilius | i was just looking, it doesn't look like it handles ranges |
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| 07:59.07 | marcus_attilius | at least the config file examples dont show that well |
| 07:59.14 | peterS | jm_: ah, heh. so the sed in woody does *not* support -i, as you said, then? |
| 07:59.21 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: you might want to look at firehol |
| 07:59.23 | jm_ | peterS: yes, that's correct |
| 07:59.30 | peterS | jm_: good to know, thanks |
| 07:59.47 | jm_ | that's why I installed ed on Woody ;) |
| 08:00.00 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: http://firehol.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:00.02 | marcus_attilius | well... i occasionally will need to forward 11k ports in the emphireal range... |
| 08:00.07 | valdyn | marcus_attilius: it does handle ranges |
| 08:00.29 | marcus_attilius | TYTYTYTY |
| 08:00.45 | valdyn | marcus_attilius: im referring to shorewal btw ) |
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| 08:01.17 | marcus_attilius | wonder why firehol isnt in the debian mirrors |
| 08:01.21 | TolkienLuver | wats so bad about webmin? |
| 08:01.35 | valdyn | !info firehol |
| 08:01.37 | dpkg | firehol: (An easy to use but powerful iptables stateful firewall), section net, is optional. Version: 1.214-3 (sid), Packaged size: 152 kB, Installed size: 772 kB |
| 08:01.39 | sussudio | firehol? sounds like the result of too much mexican food. |
| 08:01.47 | marcus_attilius | !info webmin |
| 08:01.47 | valdyn | !info firehol sarge |
| 08:01.54 | dpkg | webmin: (web-based administration toolkit), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.180-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1071 kB, Installed size: 5908 kB |
| 08:01.56 | TolkienLuver | lol |
| 08:02.08 | marcus_attilius | it didnt say... |
| 08:02.20 | TolkienLuver | !webmin |
| 08:02.21 | marcus_attilius | last time i did it sayed it was pretty insecure |
| 08:02.21 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 08:02.42 | valdyn | marcus_attilius: that "!info" i did was for you, apt-cache search webmin is easier and more verbose.. |
| 08:02.55 | zamolxes | apt-cache show webmin |
| 08:03.34 | marcus_attilius | i have aptitude up, i checked it out. im going to try firehol |
| 08:03.41 | marcus_attilius | which does sound like too much mexican |
| 08:04.03 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: its much simple compared to shorewall :) |
| 08:04.15 | alakdan | imho |
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| 08:04.33 | zamolxes | yea, or read rusty's unreliable howtos |
| 08:04.37 | marcus_attilius | cool. i dont need insanely powerful firewalling, i only need flexible & simple |
| 08:04.50 | dabo | hi there |
| 08:04.51 | zamolxes | although i hear reading docs is overrated anyway |
| 08:04.58 | marcus_attilius | i tried. |
| 08:05.10 | marcus_attilius | man iptables hurted my brainses |
| 08:05.17 | marcus_attilius | :) |
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| 08:05.32 | zamolxes | not man iptables , look at /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/ |
| 08:05.49 | dabo | does anyone knows how to install debian on a p4p800 with RAID??? |
| 08:06.04 | common | dabo: really fast |
| 08:06.15 | dabo | ;) |
| 08:06.41 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: dont forget to look at the tutorial section |
| 08:06.47 | marcus_attilius | i will |
| 08:06.50 | zamolxes | dabo: there are some installers with update kernels that know about raid. i'm using http://oss-us.sns.ro/Hilux.html when i need it |
| 08:06.54 | marcus_attilius | README-ing atm |
| 08:07.10 | zamolxes | s/update/updated |
| 08:07.43 | eraser | despite reading some guides on getting debian working properly on the thinkpad t42 I can't seem to get sound to function properly |
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| 08:08.03 | eraser | I have the 810 module loaded, alsaconf detected it fine, and the volume settings are up and unmuted |
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| 08:08.20 | eraser | could anybody help? |
| 08:08.37 | marcus_attilius | ive got sarge... |
| 08:08.45 | marcus_attilius | which runlevel should i put firehol in? |
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| 08:09.16 | valdyn | marcus_attilius: the default? |
| 08:09.41 | dabo | the RAID shoukd be an SATA-RAID |
| 08:09.42 | marcus_attilius | which is? rcX.d |
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| 08:09.52 | zamolxes | dabo: yea, it can install on sata-raid |
| 08:10.06 | dabo | ICH5R? |
| 08:10.06 | marcus_attilius | i liked how gentoo has rc-update |
| 08:10.25 | dabo | or just the promise controllers etc.? |
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| 08:10.47 | valdyn | marcus_attilius: debian has update-rc.d or rcconf but you should not need to adjust anything there |
| 08:10.53 | sepski | marcus_attilius, update-rc.d |
| 08:11.14 | marcus_attilius | usage? |
| 08:11.20 | sepski | man update-rc.d |
| 08:11.28 | marcus_attilius | update-rc.d [-n] <basename> start|stop NN runlvl [runlvl] [...] |
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| 08:11.31 | marcus_attilius | makes NO sense to me |
| 08:11.45 | sepski | marcus_attilius, that's what the man pages are for |
| 08:11.46 | valdyn | marcus_attilius: itll be started in all networked runlevels by default, which is perfectly fine |
| 08:11.56 | valdyn | marcus_attilius: apt-get install rcconf ( easier ) |
| 08:11.57 | marcus_attilius | valdyn i got the tar.gz |
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| 08:12.22 | marcus_attilius | i have to install it by hand they only have RPMs and tarballs |
| 08:12.28 | drac | marcus_attilius: apt-get install firehol |
| 08:12.34 | marcus_attilius | its not there |
| 08:12.42 | sepski | marcus_attilius, use shorewall its better (IMHO) and has been around since woody apt-get install shorewall |
| 08:12.55 | sepski | firehol is in sid only. |
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| 08:13.06 | marcus_attilius | ok, ill use shorewall then |
| 08:13.07 | marcus_attilius | BTW |
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| 08:13.23 | valdyn | marcus_attilius: firehol should not be problematic to use in sarge even if its only in sid |
| 08:13.32 | marcus_attilius | i set a rule for masquerading NAT, will that persist beyond reboots? |
| 08:13.43 | marcus_attilius | i dont want to bother crossing mirrors |
| 08:13.47 | sepski | marcus_attilius, you set that in shorewall's masq file |
| 08:13.53 | eraser | drac: it's ich4 |
| 08:13.55 | valdyn | !simpl sid backport |
| 08:13.58 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 08:13.58 | dpkg | i guess simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 08:14.29 | drac | eraser: ich4? |
| 08:14.35 | valdyn | marcus_attilius: not persistent, thats handled by the init scripts.. |
| 08:14.51 | marcus_attilius | can shorewall do it? |
| 08:15.05 | valdyn | marcus_attilius: it does it |
| 08:15.08 | sepski | valdyn, isnt it easierand safer to just use software that's been thru the testing prosess, then to meddle with sid backports |
| 08:15.09 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/pool/main/f/firehol/firehol_1.214-4_all.deb |
| 08:15.10 | eraser | err, mean to say that to dabo :p |
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| 08:15.25 | marcus_attilius | aah! shorewall or firehol! |
| 08:15.32 | marcus_attilius | which one is simpler and more powerful? |
| 08:15.45 | dabo | eraser: are you sure? |
| 08:15.47 | valdyn | sepski: sure. assuming both do what you want. |
| 08:15.48 | marcus_attilius | and can set masquerading... |
| 08:15.53 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: I can say firehol is simpler vs shorewall |
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| 08:16.02 | blujay | peterS: you are a genius. I had to reboot to make it work, but now I'm logged in as username2 and all the settings are here :) |
| 08:16.04 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: i use both |
| 08:16.16 | peterS | blujay: oh, cool |
| 08:16.19 | eraser | it's in the thinkpad t42, /proc/asound/cards reports Intel 82801DB-ICH4 |
| 08:16.27 | sepski | marcus_attilius, shorwall is more powerful and can do everything that can be done with iptables (almost) |
| 08:16.30 | blujay | now off to write this down so I can do it again! :) |
| 08:16.44 | dabo | i have this one http://www.asuscom.de/products/mb/socket478/p4p800/overview.htm |
| 08:16.45 | marcus_attilius | sepski, that sells me |
| 08:16.55 | sepski | marcus_attilius, every fw script in the world can do masquerading |
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| 08:17.22 | marcus_attilius | its messing with scripts is what im trying to avoid |
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| 08:17.30 | peterS | blujay: come to think of it, the last time I had to do something like this, the setup was such that not only the file contents but in a few cases, the *filenames* were dependent on the username. so my 'create a batch of users and put a default config in each home dir' scripts were rather elaborate |
| 08:17.37 | marcus_attilius | .. in a way i kinda miss windows ICS |
| 08:17.41 | marcus_attilius | but not much |
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| 08:18.11 | blujay | peterS: ouch. :( Man. I was hoping Linux would be pretty much /home/$USER...this is barely better than Windows :/ |
| 08:18.20 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: My suggestion, read the tutorial of firehol and compare it with the tutorial of shorewall |
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| 08:19.02 | peterS | blujay: with things like the gnome gconf registry, unix config *is* slowly getting closer to the windows "huge blob of config data, please don't touch" mess |
| 08:19.06 | marcus_attilius | already got shorewall in. |
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| 08:19.27 | dabo | i only found how to install debian on sata http://www.timkaufmann.de/linux/debian_asus-p4p800.php but not in RAID - Does anyone has an idea? |
| 08:19.29 | blujay | peterS: yep, exactly...gconf was complaining about its database...*sigh* well at least with your help it works :) |
| 08:19.32 | peterS | blujay: however, the difference is that even with stuff like that, the unix application writers are aware of the advantages of plain text files, so you can still use your 'sed -i' tricks and things like that |
| 08:19.35 | sepski | marcus_attilius, now wasnt that a lot easier then messing with tar.gz's ? :) |
| 08:19.51 | blujay | peterS: yep :) at least there is that |
| 08:19.57 | marcus_attilius | well, only because this tarball was retarded and didnt have an install script |
| 08:20.06 | blujay | peterS: it's funny, there are some Windows programmers now that are moving towards plain-text or XML config files for this very reason |
| 08:20.07 | marcus_attilius | most of them have a Make Install or something |
| 08:20.12 | peterS | blujay: heh |
| 08:20.37 | marcus_attilius | um... |
| 08:20.48 | marcus_attilius | is there a way to get gnome to put window titles on the bottom of the screen |
| 08:21.02 | marcus_attilius | in order of launch, left to right (leftmost being first launched)? |
| 08:21.18 | blujay | peterS: Now to see if KDE's settings made it... |
| 08:21.43 | Ashtars_fanclub | is xfce 4.2 in sid? |
| 08:21.54 | MrKrystal | hi |
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| 08:22.55 | peterS | Ashtars_fanclub: /msg dpkg info xfce4 sid |
| 08:23.04 | peterS | Ashtars_fanclub: short answer: it says 4.0.5-1 on my system |
| 08:23.06 | jazzmanss | Asthars_fanclub, no. |
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| 08:23.22 | jazzmanss | 4.0.5-1 on my system. sid. |
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| 08:23.57 | marcus_attilius | what the hell is dnat snat anyways |
| 08:24.11 | marcus_attilius | i want something coming in on wlan0 to go to x.x.x.x on eth0 |
| 08:24.15 | jazzmanss | peterS, I didn't know I could query dpkg, cool. |
| 08:24.16 | MrKrystal | wich is the best OCR software for Gnu/linux ? (http://www.linux-ocr.ekitap.gen.tr/ <-- i found this page, but dunno wich one to choose) ? |
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| 08:24.30 | marcus_attilius | and i want x.x.x.x on eth0 to have access to anything beyond wlan0 |
| 08:24.40 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: this will help you get started http://rafb.net/paste/results/vdptJQ29.html for firehol |
| 08:25.22 | marcus_attilius | :/ i just put shorewall on |
| 08:26.03 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: and you are experiencing headaches already understanding the config ;) |
| 08:26.05 | peterS | jazzmanss: yeah, that's the preferred thing to do if you want to ask it something that isn't of general interest to the channel (: |
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| 08:26.31 | marcus_attilius | no, but i dont have firehol on and i dont have the files anymore either |
| 08:26.34 | peterS | jazzmanss: btw - dpkg will ignore you if you are not in at least one channel that it is in. just so you know. |
| 08:26.40 | marcus_attilius | im sorry im used to GUIs |
| 08:26.46 | marcus_attilius | migrating from winxp |
| 08:26.48 | jazzmanss | I didn't know dpkg had information about package versions for the flavours. |
| 08:27.03 | marcus_attilius | (using the win2k style interface, of course) |
| 08:27.04 | Ashtars_fanclub | peterS: wouldnt the short answer be just; no? |
| 08:27.10 | marcus_attilius | and DOS was a looong time ago |
| 08:27.24 | sepski | marcus_attilius, shorewall is set up of files the zone file defines your zones you want 2 zones, net and loc, then use interfaces to map what interface to what zone |
| 08:27.24 | peterS | Ashtars_fanclub: heh, I guess |
| 08:27.34 | marcus_attilius | ?? |
| 08:28.02 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: oh well, its up to you, I can only recommend :) |
| 08:28.08 | peterS | jazzmanss: it doesn't "have" the information, technically - it performs an equivalent to 'apt-cache search' and 'apt-cache show', and automatically runs 'apt-get update' if it thinks it's been too long since it has done so |
| 08:28.11 | marcus_attilius | ok shorewall is going to hell |
| 08:28.16 | Ashtars_fanclub | i need help slowing down my mouse its way too fast, nothing i've tried seems to work |
| 08:28.17 | peterS | jazzmanss: but yeah (: |
| 08:28.18 | marcus_attilius | mutli-files i dont want to deal with |
| 08:28.26 | sepski | marcus_attilius, then you use policy to say how the zones can talk, loc can talk to net but not the other way around, then masq to masq your loc to your net, then rules to all your dnat (portforwarding rules) |
| 08:28.29 | vladkao | marcus_attilius: shorewall is very good IMHO |
| 08:28.42 | marcus_attilius | :/ this is why linux isnt desktop ready |
| 08:28.53 | sepski | marcus_attilius, it might be a bit hard the very first time, but that's becouse it's horriblely powerful |
| 08:29.19 | marcus_attilius | how hard is it to make a GUI that lets you say: allow this, dont allow this, send this here |
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| 08:29.35 | marcus_attilius | its also 3:30 am here :) |
| 08:29.49 | sepski | also the tutorials on www.shorewall.net is rather easy to follow. |
| 08:30.18 | vladkao | marcus_attilius: there are GUI firewalls |
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| 08:30.20 | vladkao | just search freshmeat |
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| 08:30.41 | marcus_attilius | what tutorials? |
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| 08:30.48 | slackd00d | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.53 | peterS | hairy_potter: hey, how are ya? |
| 08:30.56 | slackd00d | opps, minus the minicm part |
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| 08:31.10 | dabo | IpCop I think is also a good firewall |
| 08:31.14 | marcus_attilius | OK, you know how to use shorewall? |
| 08:31.17 | dabo | www.ipcop.org |
| 08:31.28 | drac | marcus_attilius: I know you are confused now, but there is GTK based firewall (using iptables) called Firestarted and it's really look-an-like with windoze firewalls, and can handle masq. |
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| 08:31.43 | drac | Firestarter. |
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| 08:31.47 | sepski | marcus_attilius, http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm |
| 08:31.56 | sepski | is what you'r doing i assume |
| 08:31.56 | marcus_attilius | ... why cant apt have a "firewall" catagory? |
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| 08:32.06 | marcus_attilius | arg. i REALLY like some of the things about portage |
| 08:32.28 | php-- | hi, Is zyxel 630-11 prestige supporting Linux? |
| 08:32.32 | MrKrystal | errrmmmm |
| 08:32.34 | _7eicher | is there a way to reconfigure a kernel-module without installing a new kernel? what have to be done? |
| 08:32.41 | marcus_attilius | im gona try firestarter |
| 08:32.44 | marcus_attilius | seems like what i want |
| 08:32.46 | sepski | marcus_attilius, most people that run firewalls dont have X on them you know :) |
| 08:33.04 | marcus_attilius | my gateway also happens to be my laptop, thats why |
| 08:33.15 | peterS | marcus_attilius: a Gateway laptop? (: |
| 08:33.15 | sepski | heck i don't even have a monitor on mine |
| 08:33.18 | sepski | lol |
| 08:33.20 | MrKrystal | wich is the best OCR software for Gnu/linux ? |
| 08:33.38 | peterS | MrKrystal: a long time ago I heard clara was the best. but I really have no idea |
| 08:33.41 | marcus_attilius | i dont see why now. the only difference between a hard/soft firewall is that a soft has other stuff on it too |
| 08:33.46 | marcus_attilius | *why not |
| 08:33.47 | MrKrystal | peterS: ok, thanks |
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| 08:33.56 | MrKrystal | OCR= optical character recognition |
| 08:34.12 | ncsu | Im making a floppy disk with debian but will it work on windows computer? |
| 08:34.31 | sepski | marcus_attilius, becouse a firewall is suposed to secure you'r net, and the more you run on it the more may or may not have exploitable bugs |
| 08:34.35 | php-- | Who can help me about Zyxel 630-11 Prestige Adsl modem installing? |
| 08:35.00 | marcus_attilius | im not that paranoid. nearly so, but not that bad |
| 08:35.02 | sepski | marcus_attilius, i use a 8 Meg flash rom chip for my linux+shorewall firewalls and do all config thru ssh |
| 08:35.09 | marcus_attilius | i've lived with windows since 95 |
| 08:35.19 | marcus_attilius | and ive only used firewalls since 2k/XP |
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| 08:36.03 | ncsu | anyone? |
| 08:36.04 | alakdan | marcus_attilius: have you seen what I posted on rafb? what it does is masquearade, and allow certain services . this one is more complex http://www.xs4all.nl/~abvuijk/darkfader/=%3Ehttp://darkfader.net/toolbox/files/firehol.conf |
| 08:36.07 | warthawg | what is windows? does it run on red hat? |
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| 08:36.35 | marcus_attilius | who recommended firestarter? |
| 08:36.47 | sepski | ncsu, if you mkfs -t msdos it will work., any other filesystem wont |
| 08:36.51 | marcus_attilius | does it forward incoming connections to closed (and not blacklisted) ports? |
| 08:37.12 | marcus_attilius | i dont see how to forward with it, but i did enable "internet connection sharing" |
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| 08:38.43 | ncsu | sepski: cool, thanks, whats the device name i should use though |
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| 08:38.48 | marcus_attilius | nevermind im blind |
| 08:38.50 | marcus_attilius | :) |
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| 08:39.35 | pif | hi, is it possible to run two dhcp servers (1 backup) on the same lan? |
| 08:39.46 | marcus_attilius | OK im happy. |
| 08:39.52 | marcus_attilius | firestarter is perfect i think |
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| 08:40.12 | ncsu | is fd0 the floppy drive? |
| 08:40.16 | LordLamer | hello. i have a problem with mysql. sometimes my tables are broken. myisamchk tell me that table.MYI is broken. how can this table be broken? its a table where i save sessions. i use a odbc connection to mysql. does somebody has an ida? |
| 08:41.02 | ncsu | well, now i get "mount: mount point /media/floppy0 does not exist" |
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| 08:42.41 | SpamHog | VMWare: I read it's not supported on Debian, but.... does it work? |
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| 08:42.56 | sepski | ncsu, yes /dev/fd0 if youwant windows compatibility, and you need to make the mountpoint if it dosn't exsists |
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| 08:43.09 | blujay | Is there a simple command to quickly allocate a file of a certain size, without writing the entire file to disk? |
| 08:43.38 | sepski | SpamHog, yes |
| 08:43.39 | sanso | SpamHog, yes |
| 08:43.43 | kneet | SpamHog, I have it running (sadly) now |
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| 08:44.24 | ncsu | sepski: ok, but now how do i write to it, i tried putting stuff in /media/floppy0 but that didn't do anything |
| 08:44.42 | sepski | mount /dev/fd0 /your/favorite/mountpoint |
| 08:44.45 | sanso | in which manpage are .Xdefaults explained again? |
| 08:45.02 | sepski | then you can copy to it, then you can umount it |
| 08:45.14 | ncsu | ah ok, thanks |
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| 08:48.24 | sanso | got it: man X :-) |
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| 08:50.29 | ncsu | umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy |
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| 08:50.34 | ncsu | can't get past this |
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| 08:50.44 | common | ncsu: |
| 08:50.49 | boycer | ncsu: try a large hammer |
| 08:50.55 | common | you gotta remove all shells from the dir |
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| 08:51.05 | common | cd / |
| 08:51.07 | common | will do |
| 08:51.32 | mike_ | does anyone know a good web based admin area for proftpd? |
| 08:51.41 | ncsu | that didn't seem to do it |
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| 08:54.36 | mike_ | ? |
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| 08:55.36 | ncsu | got it umount -l /dev/fd0 |
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| 08:56.25 | EvanCarroll | you could also force a umount as root with -f |
| 08:57.03 | EvanCarroll | but i do believe with flopies&cd-roms on kernels without supermount your supposed to 'eject' not unmount |
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| 08:57.32 | ncsu | ok, one more thing, how do i format it |
| 08:57.54 | Buck1 | Theres a formatter buolt in |
| 08:57.57 | Buck1 | *Built |
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| 08:58.25 | barra | Hello I've Debian on my Server installed, exim4-daemon-light also. I've some people who want to send mails out of their php sciirpts. Exim4 doesn't send them. How must I configure it to send the mails ? |
| 08:58.37 | ncsu | built into what |
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| 08:59.10 | ericP | i have two Sid boxes which have a presumably broken notion of broken dependencies. |
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| 08:59.14 | Active2 | barra: read the documentation... |
| 08:59.18 | sussudio | ericP: and? |
| 08:59.19 | ericP | for instance, it want's to removed base-config. |
| 08:59.28 | sussudio | !tell ericP about sid faq |
| 08:59.36 | ericP | i'm kinda used to having /win go 20 |
| 08:59.40 | ericP | oops. |
| 08:59.51 | barra | Active2: You can't help me ? |
| 09:00.18 | Buck1 | I solved my X problem...sort of |
| 09:00.21 | Active2 | barra: most of the time the mailserver is configured for only delivering to localhost |
| 09:00.51 | barra | Active2: but what must I do to set it up just sending mails to other hosts like sendmail... |
| 09:01.09 | barra | Active2: as sendmail was on another server installed, there was no problem. But exim makes problems |
| 09:01.14 | directhex|work | ericP, if you're using sid, you should already be fully aware of the consequences of doing so, the risks involved, the correct ways to limit those risks |
| 09:01.21 | Active2 | barra: you can change that in the debconf configuration... but i think you should also read the documentation about mailservers, otherwise you get interesting problems like open relay stuff |
| 09:01.25 | ericP | sussudio, apt-get is happy with my package state. and list-bugs didn't tell me i was getting into trouble with my last dist-upgrade |
| 09:01.30 | ncsu | Buck1: what is the formatter built into |
| 09:01.42 | Buck1 | The isnatller, sarge |
| 09:01.45 | Buck1 | *installer |
| 09:01.45 | ericP | directhex|work, yeah, i just want to fix things |
| 09:02.04 | ncsu | what? |
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| 09:02.29 | ncsu | no, to format a floppy disk |
| 09:02.35 | Buck1 | Oooooh |
| 09:02.38 | ericP | as i was saying above, i've gotten used to haveing base-config around. suspect i'll suffer if i let aptitude (or dpkg) have its way and remove it. |
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| 09:02.49 | Buck1 | I haven't gotten that far yet |
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| 09:03.24 | ericP | anyone have any idea why aptitude and dpkg think my dependencies are all broken but apt-get is happy with them? |
| 09:03.31 | barra | Active2: I tried with dpkg-reconfigure exim-config but this doesn't work: I got the message remote host address is the local host: xxx.com but thats not ture |
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| 09:04.00 | sussudio | ericP: run dselect update |
| 09:04.15 | Giovanni | hi guys i'm trying to install toshiba laptop utility but it show me this error "the kernel is most likely not compiled with CONFIG_ACPI and CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA. |
| 09:04.16 | Giovanni | Please recompile your kernel with the ACPI drivers or have a look for a precompiled kernel for your distribution which has ACPI and ACPI Toshiba support. " |
| 09:04.28 | Giovanni | how can i do? |
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| 09:05.46 | resiak | Giovanni: Well, one solution is to do as it says and recompile the kernel :-) |
| 09:06.20 | mattilius | is the kernel-source-2.6.8 the same as used in kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686? I assume the -1 is the configuration right? Or is it a patch? |
| 09:06.30 | Giovanni | resiak how can recompile the kernel? |
| 09:06.40 | Active2 | barra: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:06.56 | Active2 | barra: look at that one and i suggest you to read the documentation |
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| 09:07.01 | mattilius | i want to rebuild the same kernel i have now, but with a couple options changed |
| 09:07.10 | mattilius | i know how to do it, i just need the right source |
| 09:07.12 | resiak | !tell Giovanni about debian reference |
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| 09:07.35 | mattilius | ... no one is answering |
| 09:07.45 | resiak | mattilius: I'm typing. |
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| 09:08.27 | EvanCarroll | Giovanni: you can either use kernel-package (the easist way -- i don't use it though) apt-get the source, or download it from kernel.org and untar unbz it symlink, you will also need build essentials |
| 09:08.28 | resiak | mattilius: apt-cache search kernel-source, pick the right one, apt-get install kernel-source-whatever-is-right. You can get the current one's config from /boot |
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| 09:08.53 | mattilius | apt doesnt have the 2.6.8-1 only 2.6.8 |
| 09:08.56 | resiak | Giovanni: There's a chapter on compiling the kernel in the debian reference that I just sent you. |
| 09:08.58 | Giovanni | evancarroll: with apt? |
| 09:09.13 | Giovanni | resiak: 2.7.1 Compiling a kernel from non-Debian source ??? |
| 09:09.21 | resiak | mattilius: Well, get the newest release of your 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 09:09.25 | mattilius | if i take the 2.6.8 and buld with the 2.6.8-1 config, would i get the 2.6.8-1 kernel? |
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| 09:10.07 | EvanCarroll | Giovanni: yes `apt-cache search 2.6.10` |
| 09:10.14 | resiak | mattilius: Well, actually, yes, essentially: the -1 is just a revision, as I understand it. |
| 09:10.23 | resiak | EvanCarroll: If he's on testing, that won't be in there. |
| 09:10.33 | mattilius | really? so what do you do if you alter the source? |
| 09:10.35 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: No the -1 is the build number, if you rebuild it you will get -2 |
| 09:10.36 | Giovanni | evancarroll: but i've just the 2.6.10 |
| 09:10.36 | ericP | sussudio, $(delsect update) seemed to help. I had assumed that $(apt-get update), $(dselect update) and $(aptitued <u>) were all identical. was i mistaken? |
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| 09:10.58 | mattilius | EvanCarroll, no i will get whatever i put in the config.... |
| 09:11.10 | resiak | Giovanni: No, the whole Chapter 7 is the kernel chapter. |
| 09:11.13 | sussudio | ericP: yes, they're different |
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| 09:11.27 | mattilius | So if i were to take the 2.6.8 source, use the 2.6.8-1-686 config from /boot, i should get the _same_ kernel? |
| 09:11.32 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: you can overide it... if you want to for what ever reason |
| 09:11.33 | resiak | mattilius: Yes. |
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| 09:11.44 | Giovanni | resiak: tnx |
| 09:11.45 | mattilius | resiak, ty, thats what i needed to know |
| 09:11.48 | directhex|work | mattilius, if you used the DEBIAN 2.6.8 source, yes |
| 09:11.57 | resiak | mattilius: That's why the /boot/config-* are there. |
| 09:12.06 | Giovanni | evancarroll: i've try it shows many files |
| 09:12.14 | mattilius | well im using the apt from ftp.us.debian.org (not exact, but its the debian main mirror) |
| 09:12.26 | Giovanni | evancarroll: what's the mine? |
| 09:12.48 | resiak | Giovanni: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6.10 |
| 09:13.17 | mattilius | resiak, 2.6.10? |
| 09:13.24 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: if you build from the same sources with the same options, and override the autoincrement, you will get the same kernel. however that sounds entrily to non-productive. |
| 09:13.25 | resiak | mattilius: Unless you installed a kernel from somewhere else, and unless you install the source from somewhere else, then you're using the Debian source and kernel and all is good. |
| 09:13.26 | mattilius | resiak, thats not in my list, is that sid? |
| 09:13.36 | resiak | mattilius: Yes. Someone told him to use that: I assumed he's on Sid. |
| 09:13.43 | Giovanni | resiak :the my question is "this is the whole kernel?" i've just the 2.6.10 version |
| 09:13.51 | resiak | mattilius: Told you :) |
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| 09:14.03 | resiak | Giovanni: It's the entire source, yes. |
| 09:14.07 | mattilius | i cant wait for 3.0 |
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| 09:14.20 | mattilius | maybe it will be HURD based? (i can hope) |
| 09:14.22 | EvanCarroll | Giovanni: it should rad something like either linux-tree-2.6.10, or linux-source-2.6.10 or kernel-source-2.6.10 |
| 09:14.30 | sussudio | !hurd mattilius |
| 09:14.31 | resiak | mattilius: Linux will never be HURD-based, by definition. |
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| 09:14.50 | EvanCarroll | Giovanni: linux-tree if available denotes that it comes identical to what was used to make the binaries |
| 09:14.50 | mattilius | doh! |
| 09:14.52 | Giovanni | resiak .i've mepis and it mount the 2.6.10 kernel |
| 09:15.03 | mattilius | Well, maybe it will be heavily cleaned up by 3.o |
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| 09:15.15 | resiak | Giovanni: MEPIS IS NOT DEBIAN! |
| 09:15.19 | resiak | Giovanni: #mepis |
| 09:15.29 | mattilius | as i understand it, the kernel source is a mess, and getting REALLY complex |
| 09:15.37 | resiak | Giovanni: We can't really help you here, if you're using Mepis and not Debian. |
| 09:15.57 | mattilius | !tell mattilius about hurd |
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| 09:16.07 | Giovanni | but thei're similar... |
| 09:16.13 | resiak | !debian based |
| 09:16.13 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 09:16.27 | resiak | !debian based =~ s/Ubuntu/Ubuntu, Mepis/ |
| 09:16.27 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
| 09:16.54 | EvanCarroll | the kernels complexity reflects its own complexity you have thousands of people/organizations contributing things can get messy |
| 09:16.58 | resiak | Giovanni: If it's not Debian, it's not Debian. Full stop. How are we to know that some change has been made that renders our instructions useless? |
| 09:17.05 | EvanCarroll | it's only fair to assume hurd will suffer the same |
| 09:17.19 | mattilius | I have a modern HP laptop (pavillion ze5730us, specifically). Should i use apm or acpi? Or support both? |
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| 09:17.44 | resiak | mattilius: ACPI. |
| 09:18.07 | mattilius | because as it is, if i yank the power cord (even will a full battery) it shuts off. Windows didnt, so i know its not a hardware fault |
| 09:18.28 | resiak | mattilius: That's, erm, somewhat weird. |
| 09:18.52 | EvanCarroll | isn't it though.. |
| 09:18.56 | mattilius | The battery meter is working correct to. its at 100% (right), and unplugging the bat changes it to N/A |
| 09:18.56 | EvanCarroll | deep voodo in your battery |
| 09:19.04 | ncsu | why does it rename stuff when copying to a floppy disk? |
| 09:19.06 | mattilius | deep voodo in two seperate ones? |
| 09:19.13 | resiak | ncsu: Uh, what? |
| 09:19.35 | directhex|work | !tell Giovanni about debian solutions |
| 09:19.48 | mattilius | does 2.6.8-1-686 have full acpi support? |
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| 09:20.13 | mattilius | as far as is available to it... i mean did they build all the options in as modules? |
| 09:20.15 | ncsu | cp MysteriousGreatGatsby.doc /media/floppy0/MysteriousGreatGatsby.doc copys it as mysterio.doc and if i try to copy something with a similar name it overwrites it |
| 09:20.21 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: yes. when you unplug the batery from the AC it should continue to power the computer, even if it requires an interface -- for batery state and such, how can the computer determine what to do with the battery state information when its off.... |
| 09:20.28 | Giovanni | ok guys i've understand |
| 09:20.31 | resiak | mattilius: The more pressing question is whether your BIOS has full support. |
| 09:20.47 | mattilius | resiak, being a modern laptop. it should. |
| 09:20.50 | resiak | ncsu: Because you've not mounted the disk as a FAT variant that does long file names. |
| 09:20.59 | resiak | mattilius: On the contrary: the manufacturers still fuck up the spec. |
| 09:21.09 | mattilius | stupid pheonix |
| 09:21.12 | mattilius | i hate them |
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| 09:21.18 | mattilius | Award/AMI rocks |
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| 09:21.32 | ncsu | resiak i did mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 |
| 09:21.35 | directhex|work | mattilius, www.amibiosornot.com |
| 09:21.36 | mattilius | i cant even set the time/date in my bios, freaking HP |
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| 09:21.42 | EvanCarroll | ncsu: try -vfat |
| 09:21.45 | resiak | ncsu: mount -t vfat |
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| 09:21.53 | EvanCarroll | err ncsu -t vfat rather |
| 09:21.54 | resiak | directhex|work: Hahah. |
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| 09:22.33 | mattilius | after aptitude is done installing the kernel source i may dissapear. im gona try my battery again. |
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| 09:22.57 | ericP | ~.\a |
| 09:23.15 | SiliconViper | Mmmm.... unreadable garbage... |
| 09:23.51 | ncsu | will windows still be able to read it? |
| 09:23.55 | resiak | ncsu: Yes. |
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| 09:24.39 | ncsu | mount: /dev/fd0 already mounted or /media/floppy0 busy umount: /dev/fd0: not mounted |
| 09:24.55 | mattilius | ... how would you flash the BIOS of a system completely lacking a floppy drive? |
| 09:24.57 | resiak | ncsu: umount /media/floppy0 ? |
| 09:25.05 | resiak | mattilius: With a boot CD. |
| 09:25.16 | mattilius | ooh yea |
| 09:25.17 | EvanCarroll | ncsu: umount -f /mnt/flopy |
| 09:25.25 | resiak | mattilius: I've just yesterday seen a motherboard that came with a FreeDOS-based boot CD. |
| 09:25.29 | mattilius | !irritate mattilius |
| 09:25.30 | dpkg | mattilius: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 09:25.34 | EvanCarroll | ncsu: you unmount the mount point not the /dev/ location |
| 09:25.42 | resiak | EvanCarroll: You can umount either. |
| 09:25.44 | ncsu | umount: /media/floppy0: not mounted |
| 09:25.49 | mattilius | really? |
| 09:25.55 | resiak | Really what? |
| 09:26.00 | mattilius | i wonder if HP would ever fix their bios |
| 09:26.00 | EvanCarroll | ncsu: try eject /mnt/floppy0 |
| 09:26.14 | EvanCarroll | or just floppy0 for that matter |
| 09:26.15 | resiak | mattilius: I was only hypothesising that your BIOS is borked. |
| 09:26.20 | ncsu | eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument |
| 09:26.31 | mattilius | Well its so stripped down and useless i wouldn't be suprised |
| 09:26.36 | ericP | sussudio, tx. $(dselect update) got things into a state where i could convince aptitude to keep my fave packages around. |
| 09:26.37 | resiak | mattilius: The next step is probably to STFW. |
| 09:26.42 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: whats wrong with hps bios? |
| 09:26.53 | mattilius | i cant even set the time |
| 09:26.56 | mattilius | so featureless |
| 09:27.03 | EvanCarroll | ncsu: try eject floppy0 |
| 09:27.05 | ncsu | eject: unable to eject, last error: Device or resource busy |
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| 09:27.22 | sussudio | ericP: k |
| 09:27.24 | EvanCarroll | ncsu: try forcing it as root. |
| 09:27.31 | ncsu | tried |
| 09:27.41 | EvanCarroll | ncsu: hrm try getting lsof and grepping for floppy |
| 09:28.09 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: have you disabled the protection in the bios if it's there... |
| 09:28.20 | ncsu | not real sure how to do that |
| 09:28.30 | EvanCarroll | ncsu: send it the -f flag |
| 09:28.33 | TolkienLuver | hey anybody has /etc/init.d/apache for debian? |
| 09:28.52 | ncsu | lsof? |
| 09:28.52 | sussudio | TolkienLuver: yes, i'd guess anyone who installed apache...... |
| 09:28.59 | EvanCarroll | ncsu: man umount | grep '\-f' |
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| 09:29.22 | ncsu | i've done that |
| 09:29.23 | mattilius | EvanCarroll, i dont think there is any. The supervisor (retarded name) password is blank |
| 09:29.24 | EvanCarroll | ncsu: lsof is 'ls open files' shows you what is reading/writting to what |
| 09:29.57 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: yes but there is in many bios the option to disable control delagation, they word it differently |
| 09:29.57 | TolkienLuver | sussudio: hmmmmmmm... |
| 09:30.15 | TolkienLuver | sussudio: how do i get apache running with my system? |
| 09:30.24 | TolkienLuver | on-startup |
| 09:30.31 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: Its often called virus protection - it protects from virus executed on the OS level from borking your system, like the win32.cih did =/ |
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| 09:30.41 | sussudio | TolkienLuver: are you not running Debian? |
| 09:30.51 | resiak | TolkienLuver: apt-get install apache; man update-rc.d |
| 09:31.02 | TolkienLuver | i am running debian |
| 09:31.04 | EvanCarroll | 'dpkg-reconfigure apache' |
| 09:31.07 | resiak | TolkienLuver: What version? |
| 09:31.11 | ncsu | mount -t vfat says its busy msdos mounts ok |
| 09:31.11 | TolkienLuver | 2.0.53 |
| 09:31.12 | mattilius | EvanCarroll, nothing like that in there. The most advanced function there is to low-level format the drive. |
| 09:31.19 | resiak | TolkienLuver: Interesting version number. |
| 09:31.25 | TolkienLuver | i did not use apt-get to install apache |
| 09:31.26 | mattilius | and you can change some port settigns, and boot order |
| 09:31.27 | TolkienLuver | !info apache |
| 09:31.29 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.33-4 (sid), Packaged size: 373 kB, Installed size: 696 kB |
| 09:31.31 | resiak | TolkienLuver: Well, why the hell not? |
| 09:31.42 | resiak | TolkienLuver: In any case, are you talking apache2 here? |
| 09:31.46 | ncsu | !info apache2 |
| 09:31.47 | TolkienLuver | because i need to utilise 2.x.* functionality |
| 09:31.47 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.53-2 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 09:31.49 | TolkienLuver | yes. |
| 09:31.56 | resiak | TolkienLuver: Well, apt-get install apache2! |
| 09:32.03 | TolkienLuver | hmm.. |
| 09:32.10 | TolkienLuver | then all my configuration would be destroyed |
| 09:32.20 | resiak | TolkienLuver: Guuuuuh, you can back it up and redo it. |
| 09:32.20 | directhex|work | already sounds pretty fecked to me |
| 09:32.21 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: try running 'hwclock' see if it works |
| 09:32.33 | TolkienLuver | resiak: ok. |
| 09:32.35 | TolkienLuver | sigh. |
| 09:32.56 | mattilius | it ran |
| 09:32.59 | TolkienLuver | well i thought it would be best to install apache on my own rather than relying on debian apt |
| 09:32.59 | TolkienLuver | :x |
| 09:33.00 | resiak | TolkienLuver: Tell me you built your own apache2 into /usr/local rather than /usr ? |
| 09:33.07 | TolkienLuver | reamtS: yes. |
| 09:33.11 | TolkienLuver | resiak: yes |
| 09:33.11 | resiak | TolkienLuver: Why the hell not? Apt is the whole entire point! |
| 09:33.15 | TolkienLuver | haha.. |
| 09:33.16 | resiak | TolkienLuver: Good, good :) |
| 09:33.25 | TolkienLuver | /usr/local/apache2 |
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| 09:33.43 | resiak | TolkienLuver: No, I'm utterly serious. If you don't think that a package manager should be used, then why not use Linux from Scratch? |
| 09:33.44 | TolkienLuver | how about mysql? apt too? |
| 09:33.54 | resiak | !tell TolkienLuver about search |
| 09:33.59 | TolkienLuver | resiak: no i compiled from sauce |
| 09:34.02 | resiak | TolkienLuver: Yes, and mysql, and anything else that you would ever want. |
| 09:34.04 | hypnox | anyone know what would cause cdrecord to list my atapi cdrw as "'' '' '' NON CCS Disk |
| 09:34.05 | hypnox | "? I'm on sid with a debian 2.6 kernel |
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| 09:34.14 | sussudio | TolkienLuver: what kind of sauce? hollandaise? |
| 09:34.17 | TolkienLuver | sourcE* |
| 09:34.18 | TolkienLuver | lol |
| 09:34.19 | resiak | TolkienLuver: That's exactly my point. Why compile from source unnecessarily? |
| 09:34.22 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: so you are able to receive the hardware clock info which would otherwise only be editable through the bios, try changing the clock and running hwclock if you can then you have some level of support |
| 09:34.26 | ncsu | god why doesn't linux handle hardware like windows |
| 09:34.32 | warhead | I need some program vncserver but, I need better software... |
| 09:34.34 | mike_ | hi, who in here uses virtual email accounts with sarge? |
| 09:34.35 | TolkienLuver | resiak: ah.. |
| 09:34.36 | resiak | ncsu: Because that would be a nightmare. |
| 09:34.40 | resiak | warhead: Define better. |
| 09:34.41 | sussudio | ncsu: you like the pretty blue screen? |
| 09:34.42 | mattilius | hrm. my kernel has full ACPI support and APM support |
| 09:34.46 | TolkienLuver | apt-cache search mysql seems messy tho |
| 09:34.47 | TolkienLuver | :X |
| 09:34.49 | directhex|work | ncsu, you mean demand reinstallation of drivers if you change the port a usb device gets plugged into? |
| 09:35.09 | resiak | TolkienLuver: I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you're after PHP? |
| 09:35.18 | TolkienLuver | yup |
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| 09:35.30 | ncsu | so what, everythings works without configuring it, perfectly, clicking ok if you move something at worse |
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| 09:36.00 | ncsu | my dvdrw doesn't work and floppys a pain in the ass |
| 09:36.01 | resiak | TolkienLuver: apt-get install php apache2-prefork-mpm libapache2-mod-php4 mysql-server |
| 09:36.19 | resiak | TolkienLuver: (for starters.) |
| 09:36.22 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: disable APM and send it the flag ACPI=ON |
| 09:36.31 | TolkienLuver | resiak: ah. |
| 09:36.33 | ncsu | php4? |
| 09:36.34 | mike_ | ok, anyone here use mysql with virtual email accounts? |
| 09:36.36 | TolkienLuver | yup php4. |
| 09:36.43 | TolkienLuver | lovely. |
| 09:36.47 | mattilius | EvanCarroll, can i do that as a boot argument? its a debian kernel |
| 09:36.50 | TolkienLuver | how does apt compile the modules then? |
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| 09:36.57 | resiak | TolkienLuver: It _doesn't_. |
| 09:36.58 | TolkienLuver | i mean modules for apache |
| 09:37.00 | TolkienLuver | !? |
| 09:37.07 | resiak | TolkienLuver: Someone else builds and packages them. You're downloading binariesl |
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| 09:37.11 | TolkienLuver | it would be default eh. |
| 09:37.14 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: im not sure you can do APM=OFF as a boot arg -- i would imagine so, but you can do ACPI=ON as a boot arg |
| 09:37.24 | TolkienLuver | argh omg. |
| 09:37.24 | resiak | TolkienLuver: Default what? |
| 09:37.25 | jethro | when you love meeee |
| 09:37.31 | TolkienLuver | default apache package? |
| 09:37.44 | TolkienLuver | then the unnecessary modules would be loaded isnti t |
| 09:37.47 | mattilius | be back, going to try it. |
| 09:37.53 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: the kernel should gracefull ignore any invalid boot arguement, so try it =D |
| 09:38.03 | boycer | TolkienLuver: you can change that in httpd.conf once it's installed |
| 09:38.17 | resiak | TolkienLuver: Once you install it, man a2enmod |
| 09:38.53 | resiak | TolkienLuver: And, in any case, Debian's apache2 is quite cautious in terms of what modules are loaded by default. |
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| 09:39.50 | TolkienLuver | okay ill remove all the apps and install via apt |
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| 09:42.12 | EvanCarroll | TolkienLuver: just install with apt anyway, it will override any existing files, unless maybe a few dead ones that you have that the deb apache2 doesn't are in place, in which case they will just fall inactive |
| 09:42.32 | EvanCarroll | EvanCarroll: and when it asks about your confs answer apropriatly - N - |
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| 09:42.59 | resiak | EvanCarroll: That's not gonna work, since he (correctly) installed entirely within /usr/local/apache2 |
| 09:44.05 | EvanCarroll | resiak: so shoulden't apt just inform him of prexisting files and overwrite them |
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| 09:44.51 | resiak | EvanCarroll: Not a chance. |
| 09:45.09 | resiak | EvanCarroll: The whole point is that you don't meddle with stuff outside of /usr/local or /opt, and apt doesn't meddle within them. |
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| 09:46.16 | EvanCarroll | resiak: so everyone's /usr/local who hasn't built from source should be empty? |
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| 09:46.58 | directhex|work | EvanCarroll, or installed games. ut2004 goes in /usr/local/games |
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| 09:47.27 | resiak | directhex|work: As it should. |
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| 09:47.53 | mattilius | OK, it works. Now, how can i make my laptop suspend with a command? |
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| 09:48.15 | Jarod51 | Hi |
| 09:48.46 | Jarod51 | I would like to install a FTP server on my Debian, any advice on the one I should choose ? |
| 09:49.29 | jethro | Jarod51: anything but wu-ftpd |
| 09:49.30 | Sunblade | Jarod51: proftpd or vsftpd |
| 09:49.32 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: thats slightly more complex |
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| 09:49.50 | mattilius | EvanCarroll, well with APM all you do is "apm -s" |
| 09:49.52 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: you have to have suspend built into APCI which is highly experimental |
| 09:50.12 | mattilius | suspend-to-disk? |
| 09:50.25 | Jarod51 | Sunblade, thank you :) |
| 09:50.38 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: yes, by my understanding anyway, correct me if im wrong, your going to have to google don't know the answer |
| 09:50.39 | mattilius | ok, ill have to live without that. Ive checked it out, didnt sound too stable |
| 09:51.07 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: aucutally i don't know how to turn off a montier with APCI either i could use that command though |
| 09:51.10 | mike_ | ok, anyone here use mysql with virtual email accounts on debian? |
| 09:51.14 | mattilius | OK, can i make it "sleep" drop into sleep? (screen and hd power down, ect) |
| 09:51.25 | mattilius | i guess not lol |
| 09:51.36 | EvanCarroll | acpi -b will show a battery |
| 09:51.52 | mattilius | EvanCarroll, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Battery-Powered/powersav.html#SUSPEND |
| 09:52.02 | mattilius | wanted to know about suspend-to-disk |
| 09:52.25 | EvanCarroll | don't have the time now |
| 09:52.27 | EvanCarroll | its 4am |
| 09:52.30 | EvanCarroll | and i have spanish homework |
| 09:52.34 | mattilius | lol |
| 09:52.35 | EvanCarroll | 3 more problems i cant figure out =[ |
| 09:52.36 | mattilius | hrm |
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| 09:52.52 | mattilius | is my LCD display DPMS compliant? |
| 09:52.54 | resiak | EvanCarroll: The obvious solution is to go do your Spanish homework. |
| 09:53.02 | mattilius | whats the questions? |
| 09:53.04 | mattilius | i know a little |
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| 09:53.24 | EvanCarroll | resiak: thats like telling an drug addict the obvious solution is to quit. |
| 09:53.46 | cat | lol |
| 09:54.01 | EvanCarroll | its fill in the blank with mi(s) tu(s) su(s) nuestro(s)/a(s) |
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| 09:54.22 | mattilius | YEA! |
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| 09:54.39 | mattilius | i just figured out how to use DPMS to standby/suspend/shutdown monitors/LCDs |
| 09:54.44 | mattilius | try this EvanCarroll |
| 09:54.48 | EvanCarroll | Marisa y Clarisa. !(upside down)que(accent) bonitas son _____ faldas! ?(upsidedown) Son nuevas? |
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| 09:55.05 | mattilius | xset dpms force standby |
| 09:55.08 | mattilius | in a console |
| 09:55.23 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: wow v. l33t |
| 09:55.27 | mattilius | you can set X to do those things at particular times |
| 09:55.33 | EvanCarroll | xset is nice you can do alot with it |
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| 09:55.45 | EvanCarroll | xset m 20 |
| 09:56.14 | EvanCarroll | i love doing that to ppl =/ |
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| 09:56.39 | mattilius | whats it do? |
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| 09:56.49 | EvanCarroll | hyper mouse |
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| 09:57.03 | mattilius | super-sensitivity? |
| 09:57.04 | kbat | EvanCarroll: :) |
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| 09:57.09 | mattilius | dont forget acceleration :) |
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| 09:57.51 | EvanCarroll | xset so l33t |
| 09:58.02 | gilles | when doing a "cat shuowen-SQL-alt.sql > shuowenUTF8.txt", what to do so that the text file will be in utf8 ? |
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| 09:58.30 | mattilius | Well, a laptop LCD really doesnt have standby/suspend. Should i just set it to turn off in 10 min of idle? |
| 09:58.35 | mattilius | or 5 min? |
| 09:58.49 | mattilius | nah, 10. 5 gets irritating on slashdot |
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| 09:59.45 | keta | 10 minutes is politically correct |
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| 10:02.09 | mattilius | i have all kinds of extra buttons on my laptop. Any way i can set those to do something or other? |
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| 10:02.38 | mattilius | Most important to me is the volumn and mute buttons, but those "internet" keys could be handy shortcuts |
| 10:03.41 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: try this because i have always wondered something of that sort |
| 10:03.49 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: try catting your char device for your keyboard and hitting them |
| 10:03.54 | EvanCarroll | btw im done with spanish homework |
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| 10:04.09 | mattilius | under proc or dev? |
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| 10:04.41 | zappy | mattilius, EvanCarroll : you're speaking about special keys on keyboards ? Did you mention lineakd ? |
| 10:04.52 | EvanCarroll | wow i was right |
| 10:04.55 | EvanCarroll | i just tried it myself |
| 10:05.03 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: /dev/input/ |
| 10:05.11 | zappy | lineak.sourceforge.net |
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| 10:05.55 | mattilius | i get goodies from /dev/input/event0 but its a complex return (looks like 50+ characters) |
| 10:06.07 | EvanCarroll | my event0 is keyboard event1, mice and mouse0 all seem to be mouse |
| 10:06.10 | EvanCarroll | wonder why there is 3 |
| 10:06.27 | cat | !lineakd |
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| 10:06.44 | mattilius | ooh looks lice |
| 10:06.45 | mattilius | nice |
| 10:06.48 | mattilius | i wonder if it supports the pavillion laptop keys |
| 10:06.49 | EvanCarroll | interesting |
| 10:07.04 | mattilius | (hopefully not my radio button though. i dont like having a button that toggles my wifi) |
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| 10:07.41 | mike_ | virtual email accounts on debian, what is the best way to do it? |
| 10:07.50 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: it would apear as if mouse0/mice are the same |
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| 10:07.59 | mattilius | Oh i knew that |
| 10:08.06 | mattilius | i use that to figure out which device is which mouse |
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| 10:08.11 | mattilius | during setup |
| 10:08.15 | EvanCarroll | mattilius: and even1, is some sort of other type of mouse event while it coresponds to mouse actions its formatting is vastly different |
| 10:08.32 | EvanCarroll | i was just wondering hwy my mouse had 3 |
| 10:08.49 | EvanCarroll | anway to bed with me |
| 10:08.50 | EvanCarroll | later all |
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| 10:09.15 | mattilius | later |
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| 10:09.37 | mattilius | !lineak |
| 10:09.45 | mattilius | !lineakd |
| 10:09.58 | mattilius | !irritate dpkg |
| 10:09.59 | dpkg | dpkg: wenas who uses cable ???/ |
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| 10:11.15 | vijay | i cant able to copy a vcd on my harddisk. its throwing I/O error. |
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| 10:11.29 | vijay | so how to copy it? |
| 10:12.17 | mattilius | is it a protected disk? |
| 10:12.31 | mattilius | or a custom one |
| 10:12.43 | TerminX | or a damaged one |
| 10:12.45 | TerminX | ;) |
| 10:12.47 | kbat | :) |
| 10:12.52 | jm_ | vijay: of course you can't copy it with cp |
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| 10:13.38 | directhex|work | VCD you can copy fine with cp, bearing in mind VCD burns data without error correction so is very sensitive to scratches |
| 10:14.21 | vijay | ok |
| 10:14.41 | vijay | jm_ is there any other way to copy it |
| 10:15.00 | kbat | vijay: try to decrease the head-reate of the cdrom - it will probably help: setcd -x 1 or eject -x 1 |
| 10:15.11 | jm_ | vijay: cdrdao |
| 10:17.26 | vijay | thanx |
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| 10:17.59 | streuner1 | what are big mail provider which work good for linux (debian) in US? |
| 10:18.01 | SerajewelKS | does anyone know of a universal game trainer for linux? |
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| 10:18.11 | SlayerXP | SerajewelKS: vi |
| 10:18.15 | mattilius | vijay, some CDROMS let you hold the eject button for a few seconds and its speed will drop. try that |
| 10:18.24 | war- | About 2-3 days ago, Microsoft put out 9-10 patches for 2K,XP, from my 2K box --> copying --> to linux, when I drag a file on to any of my Linux/SAMBA machines, it puts a circle with a (/) slash through it saying I cannot copy to it, has anyone else experienced this problem? Did one of Microsoft's patches break Samba/Win2K compatibility? I can copy from the share to windows as well as delete files/etc and I can xcopy file \\to\drive but I cannot drag files (within exp |
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| 10:18.27 | war- | orer, any clues? |
| 10:18.29 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP, do you even know what i mean? |
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| 10:18.52 | SlayerXP | SerajewelKS: yes, I think so. you're crap at games so you want to cheat. |
| 10:18.53 | mattilius | war-, typical from MS... bastards |
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| 10:19.14 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP, that's one way to put it |
| 10:19.25 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP, but vi isn't a game trainer |
| 10:19.35 | mattilius | SerajewelKS, like GameWiz? |
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| 10:19.54 | SerajewelKS | mattilius, never used that |
| 10:19.56 | SlayerXP | SerajewelKS: it is, you can modify the binary to not deduct lives and so on |
| 10:19.57 | mattilius | something that scans memory for a value, scans for a changed value, narrows it down, ect. untill you find the specific location? |
| 10:20.03 | mattilius | gamewiz is windows |
| 10:20.07 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP, that's not what a trainer is |
| 10:20.22 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP, trainers modify memory addresses while the game is running. you're talking about a patcher. |
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| 10:20.27 | mattilius | THen you can change whatever is in that memory location (be it gold, health, MS office clippy animation frame, whatever) |
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| 10:20.47 | SlayerXP | SerajewelKS: a better solution would be for you to stop sucking at games |
| 10:20.50 | SerajewelKS | mattilius, yes, that's the idea. the closest thing i can find for linux is kcheat (kcheat.sf.net) |
| 10:21.06 | mattilius | huh, i havent seen anything actually |
| 10:21.11 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP, i'm not interested in pursuing this conversation |
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| 10:21.39 | Zvpun | what package provides ctags? |
| 10:22.03 | ricky_clarkson | !find ctags |
| 10:22.03 | SlayerXP | Zvpun: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 10:22.17 | Zvpun | SlayerXP: I tried that. |
| 10:22.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ctags' (6 shown; 7 total): (/usr/bin/gctags) in devel/global ;; (/usr/bin/ctags-exuberant) in editors/exuberant-ctags ;; (/usr/bin/ctags.emacs21) in editors/emacs21-bin-common ;; (/usr/lib/cruft/filters/exuberant-ctags) in admin/cruft ;; (/usr/share/apps/kdevctags/kdevctags.rc) in kde/kdevelop3-data ;; (/usr/lib/kde3/{libkdevctags.la|libkdevctags.so|libkdevctags2.la|...}) in kde/kdevelop3-plugins. |
| 10:22.27 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to compile qt-1.4 apps on a system with qt-3 installed? |
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| 10:22.41 | SerajewelKS | and/or is there a compatibility library? |
| 10:22.57 | SlayerXP | mute:~# apt-cache search --names-only ctags |
| 10:22.57 | SlayerXP | exuberant-ctags - build tag file indexes of source code definitions |
| 10:23.04 | SlayerXP | Zvpun: you didn't try very hard |
| 10:23.11 | slackd00d | is there a howo for making package i made into a apt-get respotory? |
| 10:23.14 | slackd00d | howto |
| 10:23.20 | mike_ | virtual email accounts on debian, what is the best way to do it? |
| 10:23.20 | Zvpun | yes I did. I installed exuberant-ctags but kdevelop doesnt find it |
| 10:23.26 | slackd00d | man, typo city |
| 10:23.45 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun, does bash find it? |
| 10:23.52 | kbat | !find gcc |
| 10:23.53 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gcc' (15 shown; 25 total): altgcc ;; colorgcc ;; gcc ;; gcc-2.95 ;; gcc-2.95-doc ;; gcc-3.2 ;; gcc-3.2-base ;; gcc-3.2-doc ;; gcc-3.3 ;; gcc-3.3-base ;; gcc-3.3-doc ;; gcc-3.4 ;; gcc-3.4-base ;; gcc-3.4-doc ;; gcc-avr. |
| 10:24.06 | kbat | !find ctags |
| 10:24.10 | dpkg | exuberant-ctags: (build tag file indexes of source code definitions), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:5.5.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 100 kB, Installed size: 232 kB |
| 10:24.23 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: no, bash findes ctags-exuberant |
| 10:24.33 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: *finds |
| 10:24.41 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun, so the problem is kdevelop, not ctags. |
| 10:24.45 | raghu | !find quanta |
| 10:24.47 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'quanta' (2 shown): quanta ;; quanta-data. |
| 10:24.49 | streuner | slackd00d: yes |
| 10:24.57 | streuner | !listauth peterS |
| 10:24.57 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'peterS' (15 shown; 17 total): lied ;; make error ;; i845 ;; uce ;; usb-storage ;; chkrootkit ;; CMD: be a (.*?) barbie ;; shit #DEL# ;; uuoc ;; fricandelle ;; ' ;; sarge pool 4 ;; good answer ;; qotd27 ;; peters. |
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| 10:25.16 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: well i dont know yet |
| 10:25.26 | slackd00d | streuner: where is it? |
| 10:25.28 | peterS | streuner: whoa. I don't remember creating nearly all of those |
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| 10:25.49 | streuner | peterS: iam looking for the HOWTO (local mirror)? |
| 10:26.01 | peterS | streuner: "!own repo" perhaps? |
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| 10:26.14 | streuner | slackd00d: ^^^^ |
| 10:26.16 | raghu | streuner: apt-cacher |
| 10:26.19 | streuner | peterS: thanks |
| 10:26.28 | jethro | !fricandelle |
| 10:26.40 | streuner | !factinfo own repo |
| 10:26.40 | dpkg | own repo -- last modified at Wed Aug 4 01:28:17 2004 by peterS!~peterS~@adsl-66-138-124-254.dsl.wcfltx.swbell.net; it has been requested 25 times, last by Demosthenes at Sun Nov 28 20:55:27 2004. |
| 10:27.23 | SerajewelKS | wtf?! |
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| 10:27.44 | peterS | SerajewelKS? |
| 10:27.46 | jethro | who removed the fricandelle factoid ? |
| 10:27.46 | SerajewelKS | how come libqutil1 depends on libqt2, but libqt2 conflicts with libqutil1? |
| 10:28.04 | peterS | SerajewelKS: maybe those are versioned depends or conflicts? |
| 10:28.05 | TerminX | SerajewelKS: packages are made by humans. Humans make errors. |
| 10:28.19 | SerajewelKS | mmkay, so how can i compile qt1 programs? |
| 10:28.25 | raghu | SerajewelKS: it is called backward compatibility |
| 10:28.26 | streuner | jethro: that feature isn't implentated yet, maybe 'Don' create it. |
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| 10:29.09 | raghu | SerajewelKS: sorry it is called non backward compatibility |
| 10:29.16 | arango | Why does debian create two mouse sections in XF86Config ? What not one, what's the purpose of two ? |
| 10:29.24 | jethro | streuner: I see a fricandelle factoid reported by listauth peterS, that's what I m asking about |
| 10:29.32 | peterS | arango: it'll take a bit of explaining, so be patient |
| 10:29.40 | streuner | jethro: try 'apt', 'ravenbird' or 'badgers' too, might be that they have it. |
| 10:29.44 | SerajewelKS | is there a qt1 compat library? |
| 10:30.01 | arango | peterS: ok |
| 10:30.12 | raghu | !find qt1 |
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| 10:30.19 | dpkg | libsmokeqt1: (SMOKE Binding Library to Qt), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1264 kB, Installed size: 4920 kB |
| 10:30.23 | Zvpun | my ctags problem was solved by update-alternatives --auto ctags |
| 10:30.27 | peterS | arango: basically, one is for /dev/input/mice which is where USB mice show up. (and all other mice, in kernel 2.6). The other is for the mouse that you actually specified when configuring. |
| 10:30.35 | streuner | jethro: hm, 'own repro' wasn't reported either |
| 10:31.15 | peterS | arango: so, if you plug in a USB mouse, it'll suddenly work, painlessly. (assuming you load the right kernel modules.) |
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| 10:32.11 | streuner | own repo |
| 10:32.27 | streuner | sorry typo |
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| 10:32.31 | peterS | arango: the reason the X config does this specifically for /dev/input/mice is that the exact mouse parameters are already known. this is because /dev/input/mice is actually an *emulated* mouse interface, implemented by the kernel, as a sort of wrapper around the USB mouse protocol. since the latter is not easily representable as a direct device |
| 10:33.20 | peterS | arango: in kernel 2.6, /dev/input/mice, that synthesized mouse device implemented entirely by the kernel, acts as a frontend to all other kinds of mice as well - you just load the appropriate mouse modules and they feed mouse events into the /dev/input/mice frontend automatically |
| 10:33.40 | peterS | arango: once again, the configuration for that device is already known in advance, because the kernel always implements the same interface no matter what your physical mouse type is |
| 10:33.41 | directhex|work | peterS, i think later 2.4 kernels also use /dev/input/mice for non-usb mice. might be wrong on that tough |
| 10:33.59 | peterS | directhex|work: for ADB mice, yes. most people who aren't using Macintoshes don't have those. |
| 10:34.19 | SerajewelKS | oh hey |
| 10:34.20 | directhex|work | peterS, i was more thinking ps/2 |
| 10:34.27 | arango | peterS: So what's the other one for ? the one that has /dev/psaux ? |
| 10:34.27 | SerajewelKS | libqt3-compat-headers - Qt 1.x and 2.x compatibility includes |
| 10:34.30 | SerajewelKS | how about that |
| 10:34.38 | peterS | directhex|work: if the serio and psmouse drivers have been backported to kernel 2.4, I'd be pretty surprised |
| 10:34.49 | Zvpun | argh, kdevelop complains about missing kdelibs-doc but I installed kdelibs4-doc |
| 10:35.21 | peterS | arango: /dev/psaux is the mouse you specifically configured when you set up X. that's the PS/2 port, as it happens. |
| 10:35.37 | mike_ | Is courier MTA any better than Exim ... i see it has a webadmin module for easy integration with virtual mail accounts.. |
| 10:35.38 | lord_rob | Is gcc 4.0 going to become default compiler of sid ? Because the most current version of apt in sid depends of libgcc4.0 (not available). |
| 10:35.38 | streuner | Zvpun: you need to configure kdevelop, IIRC |
| 10:35.38 | peterS | arango: this is unnecessary in kernel 2.6, but the X configure process doesn't assume you're always going to be running 2.6 |
| 10:36.20 | arango | peterS: is /dev/input/mice also used for ps/2 ? |
| 10:36.24 | Zvpun | streuner: there is a startup wizard, it complains about it |
| 10:36.42 | peterS | lord_rob: the apt breakage is known |
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| 10:36.48 | streuner | Zvpun: sure |
| 10:36.53 | peterS | arango: in kernel 2.6, yes. in kernel 2.2 and 2.4, no |
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| 10:37.14 | pro | anyone have, or know where i can find a asci pic of tux? |
| 10:37.22 | peterS | arango: kernel 2.6 actually provides /dev/psaux as a sort of alias for /dev/input/mice, for backward compatibility for people who have /dev/psaux specified in config files |
| 10:37.36 | streuner | pro: google for, there are plenty for. |
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| 10:37.44 | directhex|work | pro, first link on google for 'ascii tux' |
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| 10:37.49 | peterS | pro: the 'linuxlogo' package has one |
| 10:37.50 | lord_rob | peterS: I have no problem with that (aptitute solves the problem automatically). That just made wonder whether gcc 4.0 was to become default |
| 10:38.03 | pro | directhex|work, thanks |
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| 10:38.23 | peterS | lord_rob: default in sid? eventually, yes. before gcc 4.0 is actually released? very unlikely. before sarge is released? even more unlikely. |
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| 10:38.40 | Zvpun | SlayerXP: I am sorry. I used the wrong option at packages.debian.org but my problem turned out to be a broken alternatives link |
| 10:38.44 | peterS | lord_rob: the reason not to change something like this before sarge is released is, you don't want packages filtering down into sarge depending on a new libgcc |
| 10:38.56 | Zvpun | streuner: sure? I dont like it complaining. Why sure? |
| 10:38.57 | arango | peterS: I also noticed that one has the option "CorePointer" and the other has "SendCoreEvents". What is all that about ? |
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| 10:39.28 | peterS | arango: you can have multiple mice specified to the X server, but one of these is designated the "core pointer" - the one that controls your actual mouse cursor |
| 10:39.57 | peterS | arango: you might want your other mouse-like things (such as a graphics tablet) to only be considered auxilliary input devices which are queried for and used specifically by applications that want that sort of thing, for example |
| 10:40.17 | arango | peterS: I see, thanks |
| 10:40.20 | peterS | arango: anyway, what you probably want in the debian situation is for all mice to be tied to the "core pointer" |
| 10:41.05 | peterS | arango: so, you tell one mouse in the config thing that it *is* the core pointer, and you tell other mice to pretend they are. more or less. I'm actually not sure, but I think it would work to just tell *all* the mouse sections Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" |
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| 10:41.19 | nomed | hi |
| 10:41.55 | peterS | arango: there's an analogous situation with the "core keyboard" but nobody cares much about that because nobody ever bothers to hook up more than one keyboard (: |
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| 10:42.48 | nomed | i need to change the root partition (so all the installation) from hda3 to hda2... is it possible? |
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| 10:43.29 | Zvpun | nomed: If you have enough disk space, yes it is possible |
| 10:43.32 | peterS | nomed: have you already copied all your root partition data onto /dev/hda2? how far along in the whole process are you? |
| 10:43.55 | arango | peterS: I am trying to learn about this mouse stuff because I am trying to get X working on the OQO (www.oqo.com) which seems to have some type of special trackstick |
| 10:43.58 | nomed | peterS: i made it with the ubuntu installer |
| 10:44.39 | nomed | peterS: now i'm on hda2 but it was so easy that i need a confermation before to format it |
| 10:44.52 | peterS | nomed: ok, that tells me exactly nothing. I have no idea what the ubuntu installer does. how have you got your disk arranged? do you have two partitions with root filesystem data on them? |
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| 10:45.36 | nomed | peterS: i just can't belive it.... now i'm o hda2 and yes i've two |
| 10:46.00 | peterS | nomed: I should also warn you, in case you missed reading the /topic, that if you get advice on your situation that doesn't seem to match how your installer works - then the solution is to ask ubuntu questions in #ubuntu rather than in #debian |
| 10:46.18 | nomed | peterS: i'm just afraid about links and so on.... |
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| 10:46.27 | nomed | peterS: ok |
| 10:46.39 | peterS | nomed: if your two installations were both from scratch, then there won't be any references from one to the other |
| 10:46.40 | arango | peterS: thanks a lot for all that info ... |
| 10:47.05 | peterS | nomed: it only remains to make sure /boot/grub/menu.lst lists the correct root filesystem partition, and that grub has been properly installed to use hda2 |
| 10:47.23 | nomed | peterS: just next step... now i want to enlarge the hda2 to hda3 |
| 10:47.25 | peterS | arango: no problem |
| 10:48.13 | nomed | peterS: how can i do that? |
| 10:48.15 | peterS | nomed: you can't do that while it is functioning as a live root partition. you'll have to do it from debian-installer, or its close kin, the ubuntu installer. I can't walk you through how to do it from the ubuntu installer (or from the debian installer, as I haven't done that sort of thing in quite awhile) |
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| 10:48.50 | noid2 | good morning.. |
| 10:48.54 | lord_rob | nomed: I did simillar things using a knoppix live CD. Maybe a knoppix would be useful to you too |
| 10:49.02 | peterS | nomed: it should be possible, though, inside 'partman', the menu-driven partition manager thingy |
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| 10:49.48 | noid2 | how do you sort an "ls -l" result by date |
| 10:49.57 | nomed | lord_rob: i've tryed knoppix but it seems i can't write on fs |
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| 10:50.49 | nomed | lord_rob: should i use resize2fs? |
| 10:50.51 | Zvpun | noid2: man ls |
| 10:51.05 | Zvpun | noid2: i thnink ls -ltc should work |
| 10:51.58 | lord_rob | nomed: if you mount a partition in knoppix by clicking on the icon (in the kde interface) then it's mounted read only. But if you go in a tty (CTRL+ALT+F1 for example) then you can mount your partitions read/write |
| 10:52.11 | Zvpun | is ftp always without encryption. I know about sftp which comes with openssh but if a normal (let's say Windows) users uses ftp is it not encrypted? |
| 10:52.15 | nomed | ahh ok |
| 10:52.38 | nomed | lord_rob: and the cmd is resize2fs |
| 10:52.45 | marinos | Zvpun: normal ftp is not encrypted |
| 10:52.47 | slackd00d | !own repo |
| 10:52.47 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
| 10:52.48 | nomed | lord_rob: ? |
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| 10:53.29 | peterS | Zvpun: right. actually ftp and sftp have nothing in common, except for a similar name. sftp isn't just a variation of ftp, it's a completely different protocol that runs on top of ssh |
| 10:53.44 | mattilius | how can i set something to be run for a user, right after they log onto gnome/kde? |
| 10:53.49 | lord_rob | nomed: hmmm I don't know that sorry. I didn't resize partitions, but copied the files from one disk to another. That's why I said I did simillar things |
| 10:54.02 | Zvpun | marinos: a Windows user asked me what he could install at work to make ftp more secure. Is there something or should I point him to putty? |
| 10:54.29 | mattilius | putty through to a machine on the network with the FTP would be decent |
| 10:54.30 | marinos | if he is going to connect to a sftp server |
| 10:54.33 | mattilius | i think |
| 10:54.46 | mattilius | how can i set something to be run for a user, right after they log onto gnome/kde? i just want to launch "lineakd" |
| 10:54.46 | marinos | putty wouldn be bad |
| 10:54.49 | Zvpun | ptereS: interesting. a Windows user asked me what he could install at work to make ftp more secure. Is there something or should I point him to putty? |
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| 10:55.02 | peterS | Zvpun: yeah, ftp is not at all a friendly protocol for tunneling over something more secure than itself. replacing it with something like putty's pscp or psftp (both using 'ssh' on the server) is probably best |
| 10:55.03 | mattilius | can putty save files? |
| 10:55.04 | Zvpun | marinos: there is a sftp client with it |
| 10:55.20 | marinos | Zvpun: but it is up to the server on how secure is ftp |
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| 10:55.34 | Zvpun | mattilius: you mean if it can copy files? Yes. |
| 10:55.47 | pro | mattilius, yeah, it saves a putty.rnd with your settings in |
| 10:55.59 | Zvpun | mattilius: not putty itself but there is a suite of putty like programs |
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| 10:56.06 | nomed | the last question ... the new root partition should have the flags=bootable? |
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| 10:56.13 | mattilius | well can anyone answer this: |
| 10:56.15 | pro | mattilius, unless you mean copy files then you need putty scp or something like that |
| 10:56.18 | mattilius | how can i set something to be run for a user, right after they log onto gnome/kde? |
| 10:56.25 | raz_ | since the last night.. .when i installed nvidia module, on dont manage to launch a X shell... |
| 10:56.25 | peterS | nomed: it honestly doesn't matter, if you're using grub or lilo from the MBR, which is the default thing to do |
| 10:56.41 | peterS | nomed: it only matters if you are using the Windows boot sector, and having *it* chain-boot your linux boot loader |
| 10:56.51 | marinos | Zvpun: if the server doesnt support secure/encrypted connection ... you may install what you want ...ftp wont be more secure |
| 10:57.00 | nomed | peterS: ok thank you |
| 10:57.02 | peterS | nomed: but, by convention, you *do* set the 'boot' flag in your root partition. certainly there's no harm in doing so |
| 10:57.03 | mattilius | arg, does anyone know? |
| 10:57.05 | pro | mattilius, gnome and KDE both have their own ways, but look into .xinitrc aswell |
| 10:57.16 | simonrvn | .xsession |
| 10:57.23 | lord_rob | nomed: In my case, I booted using debian woody install and rescue CD in rescue mode, then I ran lilo from there |
| 10:57.37 | mattilius | .xsession? it doesnt exist in ~/ |
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| 10:57.48 | MitchK | its on /home/USERNAME |
| 10:57.54 | peterS | mattilius: no, you have to create one if you want to override the default xsession script |
| 10:57.55 | mattilius | its not there |
| 10:57.55 | pro | mattilius, then make one |
| 10:57.57 | MitchK | or /root if your tha much of a retard |
| 10:58.09 | mattilius | do i have to copy over the origional and modify it? |
| 10:58.11 | mattilius | where is it? |
| 10:58.14 | peterS | mattilius: (note, "override", meaning, you have to take care of everything you want to run at login, if you do this) |
| 10:58.27 | mattilius | so where is the default? |
| 10:58.33 | simonrvn | peterS: not an override, in addition |
| 10:58.34 | peterS | mattilius: the short version is a script that simply runs "gnome-session". you can run other things before that, if you wish |
| 10:58.40 | Zvpun | marinos: so does there exist ftp encryption? |
| 10:58.57 | mattilius | well where is it? i dont know if anything else is run |
| 10:59.11 | raz_ | does anyone has ever met this kind of problm ! i can't load a Xshell since i set up the Nvidia module. |
| 10:59.32 | mattilius | er |
| 10:59.33 | marinos | Zvpun: with putty or similars ..that can use it of course :) |
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| 10:59.35 | peterS | Zvpun: the FTP protocol is really not flexible enough to run it inside an encryption layer. not unless that layer is like a VPN or something, which encompasses *all* your network traffic |
| 10:59.46 | mattilius | the only .xsession on the entire system is .xsession-errors on my home |
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| 10:59.57 | raz_ | plz... |
| 10:59.59 | simonrvn | well, sf.net cvs is really down now... |
| 11:00.11 | arango | peterS: do you know how to write modelines ? |
| 11:00.28 | simonrvn | !xsession |
| 11:00.28 | dpkg | well, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 11:00.38 | peterS | mattilius: if you don't have ~/.xsession, the system one is /etc/X11/Xsession |
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| 11:01.25 | peterS | mattilius: that in turn is broken out into /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* scripts, and other weirdness |
| 11:01.40 | trogger | what have people used, and liked, for webmail servers in stable? |
| 11:01.48 | marinos | arango: you may use a proggy xvidtune if you are already in x |
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| 11:02.02 | mattilius | so i should add it to gnomerc under /etc/X11/Xsession.d? |
| 11:02.14 | mattilius | as i want anyone logging into gnome to have the volume keys working |
| 11:02.17 | peterS | mattilius: something like that |
| 11:02.26 | raz_ | plz m8 is there any chann where i could found someone for help me on the nvidia module and XFree? |
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| 11:02.43 | arango | marinos: what does it do ? |
| 11:02.49 | Zvpun | peterS: so one should not use FTP at all because it is completly unsecure? |
| 11:02.58 | simonrvn | !tell raz_ -about ask |
| 11:03.07 | peterS | Zvpun: that depends on what you want to use it for and what your security needs are |
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| 11:03.15 | mike_ | ok, anyone here use mysql with virtual email accounts on debian? |
| 11:03.31 | simonrvn | no |
| 11:03.45 | jethro | !tell mike about repeat |
| 11:03.46 | Zvpun | peterS: okay. lets say everybody with a sniffer can easily break FTP. is that correct? |
| 11:03.49 | peterS | Zvpun: ftp sends usernames and passwords across a network with no encryption. it sends and receives files with no encryption and no further authentication except the password exchange at the beginning of the session |
| 11:03.57 | marinos | arango: you can tune your display window |
| 11:04.12 | Zvpun | peterS: Thank you very much. |
| 11:04.14 | marinos | arango: an it gives you a modline at the end |
| 11:04.18 | raz_ | sry ty. |
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| 11:04.32 | arango | marinos: thanks |
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| 11:04.59 | peterS | Zvpun: note that sniffers aren't quite as easy to use as they once were. these days, almost everybody uses switches instead of hubs, so ethernet traffic is mainly only visible to the destination machine |
| 11:05.31 | peterS | Zvpun: getting around this requires fooling the switch. it can be done, but it's harder than it was 10 years ago when everybody used hubs because switches were so expensive |
| 11:05.37 | trogger | peterS: unless they're on wireless (even with encryption) |
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| 11:05.53 | jerome | arango: stfw for "xfree86 modeline" + 'I'm feeling lucky" plz |
| 11:06.17 | peterS | jerome: is that the xfree86 video timings howto? |
| 11:06.20 | mike_ | jethro: it'd be nicer if u told me to piss off and actually acknowledge my question than to leave it floating. |
| 11:06.21 | peterS | jerome: you're a cruel man, if so |
| 11:06.31 | jerome | peterS: non, a generator |
| 11:06.35 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 11:06.35 | jerome | peterS: works nice |
| 11:06.55 | jerome | peterS: he can use read-edid | parse-edid too, which is pretty fine |
| 11:07.02 | peterS | true (: |
| 11:07.07 | peterS | at least, when it works |
| 11:07.11 | jerome | sure |
| 11:07.22 | jerome | most monitors are EDID compliant |
| 11:07.24 | peterS | I've seen plenty of combinations of video cards + monitors where it did not |
| 11:07.28 | jerome | except laptop flat panel :) |
| 11:07.50 | peterS | some KVM switches don't pass along EDID information correctly, I think |
| 11:07.58 | jerome | yep |
| 11:08.08 | jerome | let's consider a normal configuration |
| 11:08.56 | jerome | I have two dual screen setup involving ATI, matrox, laptop, CRT and LCD |
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| 11:09.06 | jerome | works fine except for the laptop panel |
| 11:09.08 | peterS | jerome: even a normal configuration - not all video card drivers seem to let get-edid actually do its job reliably |
| 11:09.17 | jerome | maybe ... |
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| 11:09.52 | peterS | I don't know just how get-edid works or what cooperation it needs with the video drivers. I just know I've seen it fail on hardware I would expect to support EDID with no problems |
| 11:10.15 | jerome | I was thinking my configs were statistically pretty relevant, maybe they are far from being significant |
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| 11:10.54 | t31 | someone knows how to force firefox to use totem to play .mov files? |
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| 11:11.27 | trogger | t31: edit -> preferences -> downloads -> plug ins |
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| 11:11.44 | peterS | t31: you're asking the wrong question - the correct question is how to force firefox to use totem to play content of type "Video/quicktime" |
| 11:11.54 | peterS | t31: but anyway, what trogger said |
| 11:12.05 | trogger | t31: what I said isn't quite right, but close :) |
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| 11:13.07 | mattilius | its not working |
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| 11:13.43 | jerome | mattilius: are you sure ? The internet is working fine here. |
| 11:14.17 | mattilius | lol |
| 11:14.41 | arango | what device file is used for wacom tablets ? |
| 11:14.44 | pro | mattilius, what is not working? |
| 11:15.08 | mattilius | im trying to launch "lineakd" after login, when gnome comes up |
| 11:15.17 | valdyn | mattilius: youre using gnome's gnome-keybinding-properties for this? |
| 11:15.26 | t31 | excuse me :) and thx! |
| 11:15.29 | mattilius | only when you log in through gdm |
| 11:15.33 | mattilius | ? |
| 11:15.34 | mattilius | no |
| 11:15.47 | jethro | mike_: if someone had an answer they would tell you about it, as dpkg told you when I ordered him to tell about repeat |
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| 11:15.57 | raz_ | i dont manage to load xshell since i set nvidia module ... |
| 11:15.59 | Zvpun | mattilius: did you setup a .xsession? |
| 11:16.06 | KimHansen | jerome: Both of my laptops have working EDID |
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| 11:16.18 | jerome | KimHansen: not on the flat panel there :/ |
| 11:16.22 | Zvpun | raz_: what happens if you deinstall nvidia? |
| 11:16.32 | raz_ | i could try.... |
| 11:16.38 | mattilius | what goes into .xsession? |
| 11:16.47 | raz_ | but i have to leave X |
| 11:16.48 | ^nicko^ | evening all :) |
| 11:16.49 | valdyn | mattilius: so add lineakd to your gnome session |
| 11:16.54 | pro | mattilius, anything you want to start |
| 11:16.57 | raz_ | i try ... brb. |
| 11:17.00 | mattilius | HOW |
| 11:17.05 | t31 | trogger: more thing please how can i make this to use just totem to play them? |
| 11:17.19 | t31 | trogger: sometimes use xine and everything crash |
| 11:17.31 | mattilius | the only xsession on my system is a huge bash/C mess |
| 11:17.32 | valdyn | mattilius: please preced your questions with "name:", this is hella confusing otherwise |
| 11:17.44 | trogger | t31: je ne comprend pas |
| 11:17.57 | pro | mattilius, echo -en "xterm &\n xclock &\n exec twm\n" > .xinitrc |
| 11:18.03 | jethro | !fr |
| 11:18.04 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:18.08 | pro | then type xinit in console |
| 11:18.14 | mattilius | pro, ? |
| 11:18.36 | mattilius | pro, i dont want twm xclock or xterm |
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| 11:18.41 | cmug | Entäs suomenkieliset? |
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| 11:18.47 | mattilius | pro, im using gnome/kde |
| 11:18.50 | jethro | mattilius: then substitute with what you want |
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| 11:18.58 | t31 | trogger: i want firefox to play them only with totem player, the gnome player,couse with xine doesnt work |
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| 11:19.02 | raz_ | after uninstall nvidia module : same thing. |
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| 11:19.07 | raz_ | no xshelle |
| 11:19.09 | KimHansen | I am trying to find a .deb with Maven (http://maven.apache.org/), I have looked in debian.org and apt-get.org, but I haven't found anything. Is there a license issue with Maven? |
| 11:19.20 | mattilius | the file doesnt exist. if i create it will it ovverride something? |
| 11:19.26 | mattilius | jethro, that was for you |
| 11:19.27 | arango | peterS: I have /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice but X aborts saying that those devices do not exist ? What does this mean ? I checked and these devices files are in the file system |
| 11:19.37 | jerome | cmug: go #debian-martian |
| 11:19.41 | trogger | t31: if you go to the place I mentioned up above, does that not have what you're after? |
| 11:19.53 | jethro | mattilius: just create the damn file |
| 11:19.59 | peterS | arango: 'device does not exist' is not the same as 'file does not exist'. the latter is what you are thinking of |
| 11:20.04 | jethro | mattilius: in your ~ |
| 11:20.06 | mattilius | jethro, is that overriding anything. |
| 11:20.26 | t31 | trogger: i did that already and firefox is downloading the videos but doesnt give me the chance to change the player |
| 11:20.28 | jethro | mattilius: man xinit |
| 11:20.30 | jerome | arango: try cat /dev/input/event2, move your pen, and so on |
| 11:20.44 | arango | thanks |
| 11:20.48 | peterS | arango: 'device not found' means the kernel has no driver corresponding to the filesystem entries. in your case it means loading the 'mousedev' kernel module. plus probably the 'psmouse' module (I'm assuming you're talking about kernel 2.6) |
| 11:20.53 | Zvpun | raz_ so nvidia doesnt seem to be the problem |
| 11:20.56 | valdyn | ok this is annoying, ark ninja manipulates my /etc/mailcap, how is this suppused to be handled though? |
| 11:21.01 | mattilius | im not reading the whole man page on xinit, just to find out how to do what windows simply had as a "Startup" folder |
| 11:21.02 | jerome | arango: I pm'd you a working config file, have a look at it |
| 11:21.02 | pro | mattilius, that is an example! FS try reading |
| 11:21.08 | ^nicko^ | is there any major |
| 11:21.14 | ^nicko^ | grr |
| 11:21.19 | arango | jerome: thanks |
| 11:21.22 | jethro | mattilius: then fucking stick with windows if you're not willing to get clues on your own |
| 11:21.36 | pro | amen jethro |
| 11:21.40 | jethro | mattilius: no one here will think on behalf of you, and all you'll get is flame, acting like that |
| 11:21.42 | mattilius | jethro, it helps when there isnt a freakin novel written on something im gona add one line to! |
| 11:21.44 | Zap-W | how can i tell if Debian-installer netinst supports via 6105 rhine chip? |
| 11:21.46 | Zvpun | mattilius: create it and make it executable |
| 11:21.49 | ^nicko^ | is there any major issue with not installing a kernel "the debian way"? Am looking to go to 2.6.10 and testing's latest is 2.6.8 .... |
| 11:22.01 | resiak | ^nicko^: Install 2.6.10 from Sid. |
| 11:22.04 | trogger | t31: perhaps go to your gnome menu -> applications -> desktop preferences -> advanced -> preferred applications |
| 11:22.12 | trogger | ^nicko^: no probs |
| 11:22.12 | resiak | ^nicko^: But then don't moan at us if things b0rk on you. |
| 11:22.20 | valdyn | ^nicko^: it makes your work harder, you can install kernel.org kernels the debian way too |
| 11:22.22 | pro | although i dont agree with not helping a person move from windows to linux, but you can make a horse drink |
| 11:22.23 | jethro | mattilius: man xinit and if you don't want/can't get clues, then I give up |
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| 11:22.30 | mattilius | jethro, im sorry, every time i try man pages and such theres so much i cant handle it |
| 11:22.34 | pro | scan/cant/ |
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| 11:22.40 | valdyn | ^nicko^: or _any_ kernel, for that matter |
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| 11:22.43 | ^nicko^ | resiak: [nods] if things go b0rk, I'll just revert to prior kernel |
| 11:22.48 | resiak | ^nicko^: good good. |
| 11:22.54 | ^nicko^ | thanks folks :) |
| 11:22.56 | jethro | mattilius: that's futile excuses, if you don't get used to learn stuff, you will never manage to learn |
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| 11:23.08 | joaopaulo | i'm trying to use vga16 frame buffer, but when boot, i only see colored things on the screen, somebody can help me? |
| 11:23.11 | ^nicko^ | been a while since I've used linux and debian - just trying to get my feet wet again |
| 11:23.13 | pro | mattilius, create a file in your home dir called .xsession then make a link to it called .xinitrc |
| 11:23.16 | boycer | ^nicko^: I install kernel.org kernels - man make-kpkg |
| 11:23.18 | jethro | mattilius: you can even get localized manpages in case you're not a native english speaker |
| 11:23.18 | mattilius | jethro, you cant understand why i would rather be told "create ~/.xinitrc, it wont override anything" than read through a giant man page that i wont remember in 2 days |
| 11:23.22 | t31 | trogger: im in xfce |
| 11:23.30 | resiak | ^nicko^: You can build pristine kernel sources with make-kpkg, but you have to heed the warnings about initrd. |
| 11:23.31 | ^nicko^ | boycer: ah cool -thanks |
| 11:23.41 | trogger | t31: I don't know then |
| 11:23.41 | arango | jerome: For the wacom, do you need to load any kernel modules ? |
| 11:23.51 | valdyn | mattilius: manpages have a / search feature ) |
| 11:23.51 | jethro | mattilius: reading manpages helps you to keep stuff in mind, whereas having someone think for you and give you a one liner answer does not |
| 11:23.51 | pro | mattilius, then put in it exec gnome-wm ( or what ever command starts gnome) |
| 11:23.55 | t31 | trogger :P |
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| 11:23.57 | boycer | ^nicko^: makes it nice n easy :) |
| 11:24.06 | mattilius | jethro, i am, but its 6:30 am, i havent slept yet, and ive been fighting with this thing since 5 PM yesterday |
| 11:24.08 | valdyn | mattilius: no one sane reads _whole_ manpages at once if theyre huge |
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| 11:24.10 | jethro | mattilius: moving to a new system implies that one wants to learn about the system he/she's moving to |
| 11:24.30 | pro | then open your (XGK)DM and go into the settings and choose the default session, not kde, not gnome not any of that shit, add one if you need |
| 11:24.35 | jethro | mattilius: that's not *my* problem, I m volunteer to help here, not to think on behalf of clueless people |
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| 11:25.31 | mattilius | jethro, well i asked for a one sentence answer and i was told to go read a 10 page manual. Im sorry i got pissed off |
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| 11:25.32 | jethro | mattilius: and answering that you don't want to read a manpage for a thing windows does in one click is definitely not the appropriate answer |
| 11:25.39 | valdyn | valdyn: rephrasing my question: if ark just overwrites the settings in my /etc/mailcap without asking for confirmation, is that a bug? |
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| 11:26.10 | jethro | mattilius: now good luck |
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| 11:26.32 | _7eicher | i have a problem with my hylafax server, i know hylafax can be quite complicated, but i have allready done the job, hyla worked fine, but with version 4.2.1 he allways sends blank pages with a header |
| 11:26.40 | Zvpun | mattilius: back to your problem. I would recommend that you start the program with gnomes internal startup mechanism |
| 11:26.52 | pro | mattilius, to test that its working, start the system without a GUI, then login and type xinit |
| 11:26.58 | _7eicher | the docq/*.ps files are looking ok |
| 11:27.21 | pro | the file .xsession and .xinitrc are the same thing |
| 11:27.22 | mattilius | Zvpun, what is that mechanism? Ive been trying to find it |
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| 11:27.30 | caphuso | valdyn: did it remove your "User Section"? |
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| 11:27.48 | valdyn | caphuso: probably not, i know nothing about it. |
| 11:27.56 | Zvpun | mattilius: I dont know where exactly it is but it is in the menu |
| 11:27.59 | pro | mattilius, look if there is a #gnome you will have better luck asking there |
| 11:28.07 | valdyn | caphuso: just overwrote file-rollers settings |
| 11:28.07 | Zvpun | mattilius: probably under settings |
| 11:28.12 | mattilius | i asked there about half an hour ago and noone has responded |
| 11:28.29 | trogger | yay for using a Palm as a serial terminal :) |
| 11:28.29 | Zvpun | mattilius: there is no bases for you to DEMAND anything here! |
| 11:28.34 | pro | i speak for my self, but i dont use gnome, im enlightened (e.16) |
| 11:28.41 | caphuso | valdyn: how did those settings get in that file? |
| 11:28.45 | mattilius | FInally found it |
| 11:28.54 | raz_ | Hello, Idont manage to launch xshell , i just reconfigure Xserver and x-window ... uninstall nvidia module |
| 11:29.02 | valdyn | caphuso: by file-roller i suppose, i havent touched /etc/mailcap directly |
| 11:29.02 | pro | mattilius, , let me take a guess? you looked? |
| 11:29.06 | mattilius | Zvpun, i wasnt demanding |
| 11:29.18 | mattilius | pro, ive been looking for almost an hour. |
| 11:29.41 | pro | so then why all of a sudden is it now there? |
| 11:29.52 | jethro | so am i |
| 11:29.56 | trogger | that's, like, over 60 minutes!!!! |
| 11:29.57 | mattilius | Desktop Settings -> Sessions -> startup tab |
| 11:29.59 | jethro | woooow |
| 11:30.00 | valdyn | caphuso: now it seems to me that packages just manipulate /etc/mailcap as they want - thats supposed to be like that? |
| 11:30.01 | trogger | or nearly, at least :| |
| 11:30.03 | Zvpun | what does the c102 mean in libqt3c102-mt? |
| 11:30.05 | mattilius | how was i supposed to know its under sessions? |
| 11:30.11 | jethro | mattilius: you need a better SLA with #debian |
| 11:30.13 | pro | ok guys who sshed to mattilius machine and changed his menus? |
| 11:30.14 | Zvpun | isn't it very confusing? |
| 11:30.20 | caphuso | valdyn: if you don't configure your it, yes |
| 11:30.21 | jethro | mattilius: by searching by yourself? |
| 11:30.27 | Zvpun | jethro: what does SLA mean? |
| 11:30.30 | valdyn | caphuso: ok, thanks - reading it |
| 11:30.33 | jethro | Zvpun: Service Level Agreement |
| 11:30.34 | resiak | mattilius: What the hell are you trying to do? |
| 11:30.41 | trogger | jethro: heh |
| 11:30.48 | mattilius | get lineakd to run at login. |
| 11:30.50 | pro | mattilius, you play with it, over and over and over, how did you learn windows? |
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| 11:30.53 | mattilius | i finally figured it out |
| 11:31.02 | jethro | !win mattilius |
| 11:31.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, mattilius! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 11:31.09 | mattilius | pro, exactly like this . Fighting with it forever untill i get it |
| 11:31.32 | arango | peterS, jerome: when I do "cat /dev/input/<name>" I get a "No such device" on all of them except event0 and event1. Does this mean I have devices attached to these two ? I don't get any garbish output for event0 or event1 though |
| 11:31.39 | resiak | mattilius: If you're using startx, put it in .xsession. If you're using GNOME/KDE/XFce/whatever, look at what it provides for doing that. |
| 11:31.40 | raz_ | sorry but i dont ask if someone could help me... and nobody have answered me. |
| 11:31.40 | Zvpun | mattilius: see. it is always the same for all of us, just on different levels/problems |
| 11:31.40 | pro | mattilius, have you looked into farming at all? or maybe a millitery career? |
| 11:31.41 | mattilius | although im used to spartin help files requiring me to ask, instead of research |
| 11:31.52 | resiak | mattilius: I'm amazed that no-one could give you a straight answer... |
| 11:31.52 | raz_ | i just put my problm. |
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| 11:31.58 | valdyn | caphuso: look of /etc/mailcap will then depend on the order i install packages in =/ |
| 11:32.08 | peterS | arango: cat /proc/bus/input/handlers |
| 11:32.09 | mattilius | resiak, i wasnt helping much either, though |
| 11:32.09 | jethro | resiak: we told that already |
| 11:32.11 | Zvpun | raz: what was your problem? |
| 11:32.15 | peterS | arango: and /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 11:32.16 | raz_ | Hello, Idont manage to launch xshell , i just reconfigure Xserver and x-window ... uninstall nvidia module |
| 11:32.16 | resiak | jethro: Oh. Well, figures :) |
| 11:32.21 | peterS | arango: that'll give you something of a picture of what's going on |
| 11:32.21 | jethro | :) |
| 11:32.23 | resiak | !drxx raz_ |
| 11:32.24 | dpkg | raz_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 11:32.26 | pro | anyway, i have work to do |
| 11:32.30 | caphuso | valdyn: you know, that's why you you have the user section and ~/.mailcap |
| 11:32.33 | raz_ | i just did it |
| 11:32.37 | mattilius | well, its safe to say im never using this nick again lol |
| 11:32.45 | resiak | raz_: So wait, what's the problem? |
| 11:32.54 | raz_ | i dont manage to launch xshelle |
| 11:32.55 | trogger | mattilius: heh |
| 11:32.56 | valdyn | caphuso: still its somewhat ugly, i can live with that though np |
| 11:33.00 | raz_ | no shell.. no life ... :( |
| 11:33.03 | Zvpun | raz: what do you mean by you cant run xshells, does X startup? |
| 11:33.04 | trogger | mattilius: the real question is, what have you been previously? :) |
| 11:33.06 | jethro | mattilius: we have your hostmask as well, you can't fool us ;) |
| 11:33.09 | raz_ | eterm |
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| 11:33.10 | raz_ | aterm |
| 11:33.12 | raz_ | xterm |
| 11:33.12 | mattilius | lol |
| 11:33.17 | mattilius | hey, Tor works with freenode |
| 11:33.23 | mattilius | :p |
| 11:33.23 | peterS | mattilius: not really |
| 11:33.32 | mattilius | i was on just yesterday |
| 11:33.34 | raz_ | x startup yes |
| 11:33.34 | peterS | mattilius: freenode staff k-line tor nodes whenever they notice them |
| 11:33.40 | raz_ | i am under X... |
| 11:33.42 | resiak | raz_: Are xterm and aterm and eterm even installed? |
| 11:33.44 | sml | is acpi just a laptop thing ? |
| 11:33.47 | caphuso | peterS: no, they don't |
| 11:33.49 | peterS | mattilius: since it's so easy for lamers to abuse the network with |
| 11:33.51 | trogger | sml: no |
| 11:33.51 | raz_ | yes they are m8.. |
| 11:33.55 | Zvpun | raz_ and what happens if you start xterm? nothing? |
| 11:33.56 | resiak | raz_: Well, you never know. |
| 11:34.01 | raz_ | nothing yes |
| 11:34.06 | mattilius | well, its one thing to abuse it, its another to rather not give out your IP |
| 11:34.08 | jethro | what is tor? |
| 11:34.11 | peterS | caphuso: they've been known to. maybe this isn't a standing policy |
| 11:34.15 | raz_ | with aterm, the shell is laucnhing it.. but no prompt |
| 11:34.16 | raz_ | and it close |
| 11:34.28 | sml | yeah what's a tor node .. ? |
| 11:34.38 | resiak | raz_: Is your .bash_profile buggered? |
| 11:34.39 | mattilius | SSHed anonymous proxy network |
| 11:34.46 | raz_ | i go see it |
| 11:34.52 | caphuso | but... -!- 6 - #debian: ban [%*!*@node.tor] [by LoRez!lorez@lorez.staff.freenode, 70264 secs ago] |
| 11:34.55 | Zvpun | raz_: loggin to a console (ALT-CTRL-F1) and check for errors in your startup files |
| 11:35.03 | Zvpun | raz_: *login |
| 11:35.10 | debian-san | Why do some package names end with .woody2 or .woody3 ? |
| 11:35.25 | sml | mattilius: so its like using a bouncer only the channels are encrypted ? |
| 11:35.27 | mattilius | caphuso, um, one of the nodes i was on came from umich.edu or something, no .tor |
| 11:35.27 | caphuso | debian-san: security updates |
| 11:35.32 | mattilius | sml, yea |
| 11:35.34 | jethro | tor looks like the kiddies best friend |
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| 11:35.53 | debian-san | caphuso: Thanks. |
| 11:35.53 | mattilius | sml, it works with Privoxy, strips DNS, allows http/ssl/socks4 through it |
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| 11:36.02 | caphuso | mattilius: tell #freenode about it |
| 11:36.02 | sml | wow. |
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| 11:36.19 | raz_ | which log i could see to found errors ? |
| 11:36.32 | sml | mattilius: but what's wrong with these people just using a bouncer for irc if they want to protect their ip.. they surely are doing something that they dont want to be caught up on.. |
| 11:36.34 | Zvpun | raz: ? |
| 11:36.34 | mattilius | caphuso, about that particular server? i dont remember exactly what it was but it was a network you really wouldn't want to block |
| 11:36.42 | raz_ | XFree log have no error, same for syslog |
| 11:36.53 | sml | probably coding a spl0it for yesterdays messenger 6.2 bulletin on bugtraq no less :-P |
| 11:36.58 | raz_ | i dont have error on my 1st shell . |
| 11:37.03 | mattilius | sml, well, a couple months ago someone rootkitted me for having IRC open and having a su'ed term on the same session |
| 11:37.03 | Zvpun | raz_: you login on a console and see if if there are erros |
| 11:37.13 | caphuso | mattilius: no, about that problem with their tor cloaker |
| 11:37.13 | Zvpun | raz_: do you use bash? |
| 11:37.20 | jethro | mattilius: using tor will not help you being secured |
| 11:37.25 | Zvpun | raz_: if .bash_profile or .bashrc are broke |
| 11:37.27 | raz_ | xinit : unexpected signal is the last line of my 1st tty |
| 11:37.30 | raz_ | bash yes |
| 11:37.35 | Vladi1 | how can i get a user's password which i created? |
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| 11:37.41 | raz_ | non broke.. i dont touch it. |
| 11:37.43 | jethro | Vladi1: john the ripper |
| 11:37.44 | resiak | Vladi1: You can't unencrypt the password. |
| 11:37.45 | sml | mattilius: someone rootkitted you? you mean they exploited your ircd service and installed a rootkit ? |
| 11:37.46 | trogger | Vladi1: you can't. you can reset it though |
| 11:38.01 | trogger | sml: sounds like a good description of rootkitting someone :) |
| 11:38.05 | jethro | you can get a user's pass if it's a bad one! |
| 11:38.08 | Vladi1 | ahh ok thanks guy |
| 11:38.08 | mattilius | sml, not sure. all i know is the guy listed off what was in /root |
| 11:38.08 | Vladi1 | s |
| 11:38.11 | sml | trogger: lol |
| 11:38.14 | Zvpun | raz_: did you login and there were no errors? |
| 11:38.17 | arango | peterS: what is evdev ? |
| 11:38.21 | raz_ | no error |
| 11:38.27 | jethro | mattilius: /root is world readable on debian systems by default |
| 11:38.34 | jethro | mattilius: it doesn't mean they got root privs |
| 11:38.38 | sml | mattilius: well he could use a suid root program to list the contents.. doesn't necessarily mean he had root. |
| 11:38.41 | mattilius | jethro, it was a gentoo system with hyper-permissions |
| 11:38.54 | jethro | hah gentoo sucks! |
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| 11:38.56 | mattilius | sml, still... |
| 11:38.56 | Zvpun | raz_: can you launch any x applications? |
| 11:38.59 | jethro | !start a distro war |
| 11:38.59 | dpkg | Slackware 0wnz! |
| 11:38.59 | Speedy2 | Hi all. I have a problem. I deleted my Linux installation and now I get a "Grub Error 22" on start-up. I've tried to re-write the bootsector using "bootpart" but I still keep getting the error. Any suggestions? |
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| 11:39.07 | peterS | arango: it's a unified driver framework for all sorts of input devices. you almost certainly don't need it. your apps almost certainly want to use the old backwards-compatible drivers instead, like kbd and mousedev |
| 11:39.08 | Zvpun | raz_: is your harddisk full=? check with df -h |
| 11:39.08 | mattilius | sml, i would rather they had NO access |
| 11:39.13 | trogger | dpkg: you're right. |
| 11:39.13 | dpkg | wish i knew, trogger |
| 11:39.17 | Speedy2 | Note: My WinXP partition is still present on the drive |
| 11:39.21 | trogger | dpkg: then don't talk about it. |
| 11:39.21 | dpkg | trogger: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:39.27 | trogger | dpkg: bite me. |
| 11:39.27 | sml | mattilius: well if it was a debian system and you had done apt-get update, with security.debian.org in your sources you wouldn't have been rooted unless it was an unknown issue with debians ircd. |
| 11:39.30 | jethro | mattilius: hyper-loosy-permissions if you got owned |
| 11:39.30 | resiak | Speedy2: That was an unwise thing to do, since Grub stores its config in /boot. Boot with a WinXP CD, choose the recovery console, and do fixmbr |
| 11:39.31 | raz_ | no full. |
| 11:39.32 | peterS | arango: it also does no harm, though. it just sits there and if nobody uses it, nobody uses it |
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| 11:39.46 | mattilius | sml, i had just updated and built, so i had the very latest. |
| 11:39.53 | mattilius | jethro, hyper-strict i mean |
| 11:39.57 | raz_ | Zvpun, i just compile a new kernel.... and it make me this since i start on it. |
| 11:40.04 | Speedy2 | resiak: Here's the shitty part -- I don't have the CD, it's a Thinkpad and the recovery "CD" is a partition that gets accessed from within Windows |
| 11:40.04 | suzzi_ | any one know if this is a debian specific problem (no one on #apache can help) but autoindex is not working? if I go to host/~user or host/~user/ I get Forbidden , though host/~user/file works just fine. I though it was a permissions error but cranked everyghing to 777 and still same result? any clues? |
| 11:40.14 | jethro | mattilius: well the hardened gentoo is not worth a default debian install then |
| 11:40.16 | Zvpun | raz_: how much space is on your root partition? |
| 11:40.18 | mattilius | jethro, i had to give permissions to /usr/local/bin |
| 11:40.20 | resiak | Speedy2: Then you lose :) |
| 11:40.23 | Zvpun | raz_: reboot the old kernel |
| 11:40.24 | raz_ | Zvpun, but i dont remove options.... i dont know options concern the x-terms |
| 11:40.28 | mattilius | jethro, well it wasnt hardened-gentoo |
| 11:40.28 | raz_ | root : |
| 11:40.31 | Speedy2 | resiak: /boot == /boot on my Linux partition? |
| 11:40.34 | jethro | mattilius: are you sure it's not pebcak which lead to compromise of your system? |
| 11:40.36 | mattilius | Point is, someone got in because they had my IP |
| 11:40.36 | raz_ | 90% free |
| 11:40.36 | resiak | Speedy2: Yes, exactly. |
| 11:40.39 | Speedy2 | Shit. |
| 11:40.40 | Zvpun | raz_: okay |
| 11:40.46 | mattilius | jethro, pebcak? |
| 11:40.47 | arango | peterS: thanks |
| 11:40.51 | Zvpun | raz_: reboot your old working kernel |
| 11:40.52 | jethro | !tell mattilius about pebcak |
| 11:40.54 | Zap-W | procinfo -a |
| 11:40.56 | Zap-W | er |
| 11:40.57 | resiak | Speedy2: Install Debian again: grub should re-pickup your WinXP. Then boot into WinXP and do the restore thing. |
| 11:41.04 | mattilius | lol |
| 11:41.09 | Zvpun | raz_: can you start other X apps? |
| 11:41.09 | resiak | Speedy2: I mean, do fixmbr |
| 11:41.11 | mattilius | no, it wasn't an id10-T error |
| 11:41.14 | resiak | Speedy2: Then you can re-remove Debian. |
| 11:41.17 | raz_ | mh |
| 11:41.20 | sml | mattilius: seems strange that someone would waste making it be known public that ircd can be exploited on just a home user. there are better irc servers' im sure.. unless you run a network mattilius, which im guessing you dont. |
| 11:41.21 | Zvpun | mh? |
| 11:41.22 | resiak | Speedy2: Alternatively, just go borrow a friend's WinXP disk. |
| 11:41.28 | raz_ | such as firefox, xchat , yes np. |
| 11:41.29 | Speedy2 | resiak: There has to be a smarter way. I mean, how does Debian boot WinXP? |
| 11:41.32 | mattilius | sml, it wasnt ircd |
| 11:41.39 | resiak | Speedy2: It chainloads its bootloader. |
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| 11:41.44 | jethro | sml: he said he wass IRCing, not running an ircd |
| 11:41.54 | Zvpun | raz_: so you may lack some kind of virtual terminal support |
| 11:41.54 | jethro | s/ss/s/ |
| 11:41.56 | sml | jethro, mattilius ok ok.. sorry.. |
| 11:42.01 | mattilius | a whois nets you an IP doesnt it? |
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| 11:42.03 | resiak | Speedy2: It's your computer manufacturer's fault for you not having a Window CD. |
| 11:42.09 | raghu | can somebody tell me the url to download kismat????????/ |
| 11:42.14 | resiak | !annoy raghu |
| 11:42.15 | dpkg | raghu: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!! |
| 11:42.22 | t1ng | can anyone tell me how to use tramsport and virtual on postfix to diliver 1 domain locally (virtual) and relay another domain to an exchange (yuck) server |
| 11:42.24 | trogger | Speedy2: you will need to reinstall grub - I've had this issue lots on my IBM when I have fiddled. |
| 11:42.30 | mattilius | well, i have to go get some sleep |
| 11:42.35 | Speedy2 | trogger: Thinpad? |
| 11:42.35 | jethro | raghu: try http://127.0.0.1/w4r3z/ |
| 11:42.36 | mattilius | almost 7am |
| 11:42.41 | trogger | Speedy2: very thin :) |
| 11:42.42 | Speedy2 | resiak: I agree, I'm not blaming anyone. |
| 11:42.48 | Speedy2 | trogger: Thinkpad, heh |
| 11:42.53 | resiak | raghu: Firstly, spell it right: kismet. Secondly, apt-cache search kismet |
| 11:42.59 | raz_ | Zvpun, i was sure of something like that.... |
| 11:43.02 | mattilius | Thanks for dealing with me, i know i was being a bit of an ass |
| 11:43.13 | raghu | resiak: thx |
| 11:43.17 | resiak | !thx |
| 11:43.17 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 11:43.18 | jethro | mattilius: just a bit, really :) |
| 11:43.20 | trogger | Speedy2: do you have access to a linux live cd at all? (e.g. knoppix and friends) |
| 11:43.21 | Speedy2 | Ok, here's my scandal: Laptop must be in tomorrow for work and boot XP...It's 3:40 AM...I'm open to suggestions |
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| 11:43.30 | Speedy2 | trogger: Yeah, I have the laptop in Knoppix now |
| 11:43.30 | raz_ | but...i already gone to the xconfig kernel.. and i dont found lacked :/ or perhaps i dont see on the good place |
| 11:43.39 | mattilius | im off |
| 11:43.45 | trogger | Speedy2: sweet. and if you do a grub-install, does it work properly? |
| 11:43.48 | resiak | Mmm, dirty filthy acrobatics with dd coming up, I suspect. |
| 11:43.55 | Speedy2 | trogger: let me try |
| 11:44.18 | Zvpun | raz_: is there a way to get the error messages of a starting terminal emulator? |
| 11:44.26 | simonrvn | that dirty dirty little dd |
| 11:44.35 | resiak | Zvpun: Yeah, start it from another term ... oh, wait :) |
| 11:44.38 | trogger | someone should clean dd :| |
| 11:44.43 | resiak | !clean dd |
| 11:44.48 | Speedy2 | trogger: grub-install asks for which drive... |
| 11:44.49 | resiak | Bah, dpkg, you're a cock. |
| 11:44.54 | simonrvn | @spank dd |
| 11:44.54 | raz_ | where can i found terminal error messages ? |
| 11:45.00 | Zvpun | raz_: what about kdes or gnomes startup dialog? |
| 11:45.02 | resiak | !abuse dd |
| 11:45.04 | dpkg | dd: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 11:45.06 | raz_ | fluxbox |
| 11:45.10 | resiak | Hahah. |
| 11:45.12 | trogger | Speedy2: do you have a boot partition? |
| 11:45.21 | Speedy2 | trogger: Not that I'm aware of. |
| 11:45.25 | Zvpun | raz_: so? try with kde |
| 11:45.35 | Zvpun | raz_: it has a startup dialog |
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| 11:45.48 | Speedy2 | trogger: I think grub is sitting in the damn MBR |
| 11:45.51 | trogger | ok. so you'll want to do grub-install /dev/hda |
| 11:45.56 | Zvpun | raz_: maybe you can type something like xterm 2> /home/raz_/log.txt |
| 11:45.56 | trogger | Speedy2: that's ok |
| 11:46.02 | Speedy2 | trogger: You sure? /dev/hda1 is NTFS |
| 11:46.03 | jethro | @spank me |
| 11:46.04 | Buck1 | Anyone know how to make my Monitor work |
| 11:46.10 | Buck1 | Because i just get black screen |
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| 11:46.16 | Buck1 | and occasional PC beeps'd |
| 11:46.18 | jethro | thank you ravigehlot |
| 11:46.18 | t1ng | can anyone tell me how to use tramsport and virtual on postfix to diliver 1 domain locally (virtual) and relay another domain to an exchange (yuck) server |
| 11:46.19 | trogger | Speedy2: sorry, append the number of your debian partition |
| 11:46.19 | Zvpun | raz_: But I really would reinstall the old kernel and diff the kernel configs |
| 11:46.20 | jethro | ravenbird |
| 11:46.28 | Speedy2 | trogger: That's the bad part, I blew them away |
| 11:46.49 | Speedy2 | Thinking I could get to the IBM restore partition, not realizing they make you access it from within Windows! |
| 11:46.50 | trogger | ok, so you have just the windows partition, and no other partitions? |
| 11:47.01 | Zvpun | Speedy2: get a knoppix, it has a working grup installed on it |
| 11:47.01 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 11:47.07 | Speedy2 | Zvpun: I have knoppix |
| 11:47.08 | resiak | Zvpun: You're a step behind :) |
| 11:47.08 | raz_ | i dont have problm with the base kernel |
| 11:47.09 | trogger | Speedy2: do you have any spare room |
| 11:47.10 | trogger | ? |
| 11:47.18 | Zvpun | resiak: sorry I will shut up then |
| 11:47.20 | Speedy2 | trogger: Yeah, there's free space...create an ext2 in there and grub it? |
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| 11:47.34 | Zvpun | raz_: so diff your config with base kernel config |
| 11:47.36 | trogger | Speedy2: yes. just create something small, say 30 MB or so, then as you say |
| 11:47.38 | Speedy2 | trogger: Question, does fixmbr run from a DOS bootdisk? |
| 11:47.43 | resiak | Zvpun: Where does his kernel come into anything? |
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| 11:47.59 | trogger | Speedy2: possibly? |
| 11:48.01 | Capkirk | some time ago i locked some packages on a debian system now i forgot which how can i get info if a packages is keept back locally on my computer |
| 11:48.02 | Speedy2 | trogger: hrm. |
| 11:48.04 | resiak | Zvpun: :) Sorry, I appear to be on your back. |
| 11:48.12 | trogger | Speedy2: it's ok, the grub root is ok... I can help you through this |
| 11:48.28 | Speedy2 | trogger: I do have the Systernals recovery CD |
| 11:48.33 | Speedy2 | ...I haven't tried that one yet |
| 11:48.40 | Speedy2 | trogger: Ok, let me load fdisk |
| 11:48.45 | trogger | Speedy2: hang in there, try grub, give it 30 minutes |
| 11:48.54 | trogger | Speedy2: cfdisk is better :) |
| 11:49.00 | raz_ | Zvpun, thx for all... i will try to see the xconfig under my old kernel. |
| 11:49.03 | raz_ | brb =) |
| 11:49.17 | stew | Capkirk: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold |
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| 11:49.23 | Capkirk | stew: ahh yes |
| 11:49.24 | resiak | Zvpun: Uh, yeah, sorry, I'm being a dick and forgot that raz_ had just switched kernel. |
| 11:49.25 | Capkirk | stew: thanks |
| 11:49.31 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 11:49.38 | Capkirk | stew: thanks |
| 11:49.45 | Zvpun | raz_: no dont use xconfig for that! use diff -u oldconfigfile newconfigfile|less |
| 11:49.49 | stew | Capkirk: you're welcome |
| 11:49.51 | simonrvn | resiak: you're so clingy. need a hug? |
| 11:50.05 | resiak | !hug simonrvn |
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| 11:50.13 | resiak | simonrvn: I'm merely a monkey. |
| 11:50.24 | stew | !mokeysmite resiak |
| 11:50.24 | raz_ | ok i note |
| 11:50.26 | Zvpun | heh, how do I type in an emotion? |
| 11:50.26 | simonrvn | resiak: you cheeky monkey! |
| 11:50.29 | Speedy2 | trogger: Ok, I need to format the partition once it's been created via commandline, right (mkext2fs ?) |
| 11:50.31 | resiak | !speelingsmite stew |
| 11:50.35 | trogger | mkfs.ext2 |
| 11:50.38 | stew | crap ;0 |
| 11:50.41 | trogger | or equivalent, yes :) |
| 11:50.42 | Speedy2 | (it's been awhile and I haven't slept in almost 1.5 days) |
| 11:51.05 | Zvpun | Speedy2: and it seems like you cant sleep this night either :-) |
| 11:51.07 | raz_ | but i think they were lot of difference ( 2.6.7 <-> 2.6.10 ) =) |
| 11:51.08 | Speedy2 | trogger: Ugh, must reboot the machine, one sec |
| 11:51.11 | Speedy2 | raz_: You're telling me! |
| 11:51.15 | simonrvn | fuck yeh |
| 11:51.15 | resiak | Zvpun: :D is an emotion :) |
| 11:51.23 | trogger | Speedy2: why? |
| 11:51.28 | trogger | Speedy2: why need to reboot? |
| 11:51.28 | Zvpun | raz_: so? if it works you can go from there in small steps |
| 11:51.30 | simonrvn | emoticon, FYI |
| 11:51.36 | Speedy2 | trogger: It said device busy, I guess I had some partitions mounted? |
| 11:51.39 | resiak | STFU, FYI :) |
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| 11:51.49 | Speedy2 | I dunno, I don't care atm |
| 11:51.50 | trogger | Speedy2: what did? mkfs.ext2? |
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| 11:52.01 | Zvpun | resiak: no, i mean how does the * foo gives bar a hook thing work in IRC |
| 11:52.04 | trogger | Speedy2: shouldn't have |
| 11:52.09 | resiak | Zvpun: /me hits you with a sponge. |
| 11:52.10 | Zvpun | resiak: what would I have to type |
| 11:52.14 | Speedy2 | trogger: fdisk told me that, said partition table would be re-read on reboot |
| 11:52.19 | simonrvn | s |
| 11:52.26 | trogger | Speedy2: nope, it's ok |
| 11:52.27 | resiak | simonrvn: Can I guess what you're laughing at? |
| 11:52.44 | trogger | Speedy2: what's the new partition called? /dev/hda2 or so? |
| 11:52.50 | Zvpun | ah |
| 11:52.57 | Speedy2 | It's /dev/hda3 |
| 11:53.00 | simonrvn | why not |
| 11:53.01 | Speedy2 | Let me get knoppix up and format it |
| 11:53.06 | trogger | Speedy2: ok, so mkfs.ext2 /dev/hda3 |
| 11:53.08 | Speedy2 | yea |
| 11:53.11 | Speedy2 | Let it boot ;) |
| 11:53.11 | trogger | shouldn't need to reboot |
| 11:53.14 | trogger | ok |
| 11:53.15 | trogger | :) |
| 11:53.35 | J_P | people, have anyone problem i am booting debian linux "/" as ro file system ? |
| 11:53.49 | J_P | i like do one base install embedded with woody in 256mb |
| 11:53.52 | trogger | J_P: that's ok, as long as you don't want to write anything on it |
| 11:54.28 | Speedy2 | Ok, this is fucked up |
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| 11:54.37 | Zvpun | J_P: or unless you dont want to change passwords |
| 11:54.38 | trogger | Speedy2: what's wrong? |
| 11:54.43 | Speedy2 | mkfs.ext2 /dev/hda3 ; /dev/hda3 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 11:54.46 | Speedy2 | But it's not mounted |
| 11:54.48 | Speedy2 | not in fstab |
| 11:54.51 | trogger | just type mount |
| 11:54.52 | Speedy2 | and mount does not show it mounted |
| 11:54.53 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 11:54.54 | trogger | ok |
| 11:54.54 | Speedy2 | I did |
| 11:54.55 | J_P | trogger: i have this message whn boot as ro : Freeing unused Kernel memory : 112K freed |
| 11:54.56 | J_P | /sbin/init: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libc.so.6: undefined symbol: _dl_initial_searchlist, version GLIBC_2.0. Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 11:54.56 | trogger | :) |
| 11:55.04 | raz_ | Zvpun, my First kernel is the base-kernel i installed at the firt time, and i dont have .config file for it. |
| 11:55.10 | Speedy2 | gah, kill me now |
| 11:55.12 | arango | what type of USB device would ID 0000:0000 in lsusb ? |
| 11:55.20 | trogger | Speedy2: that is strange |
| 11:55.29 | Zvpun | raz: it is /boot/config-.... |
| 11:55.31 | simonrvn | J_P: that's more than just / mounted r/o |
| 11:55.34 | raz_ | ho |
| 11:55.36 | raz_ | :x |
| 11:55.45 | trogger | J_P: and independent of the mounted r/o |
| 11:55.50 | Speedy2 | trogger: You're telling me |
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| 11:56.15 | J_P | trogger: humm what you think is problem.. ? |
| 11:56.15 | Speedy2 | oh shit |
| 11:56.20 | Speedy2 | Knoppix mounted it as swap |
| 11:56.20 | Speedy2 | one sec |
| 11:56.23 | trogger | ah |
| 11:56.30 | trogger | swapoff /dev/hde3 ? |
| 11:56.32 | stew | J_P: have you been installig sarge packages on a woody system or something? |
| 11:56.39 | trogger | s/e/a |
| 11:56.40 | Zvpun | Speedy2: so why do you have to create another partition to run a bootmanager? |
| 11:56.53 | trogger | Zvpun: grub needs a place to put it's stuff |
| 11:56.56 | trogger | s/it's/its |
| 11:56.59 | Speedy2 | Zvpun: I don't know...because grub can be retarded? |
| 11:57.01 | Speedy2 | ok |
| 11:57.06 | Speedy2 | let me do a grub-install /dev/hda3 |
| 11:57.07 | trogger | Zvpun: mbr is too small |
| 11:57.10 | J_P | stew: not, ONLY woody packages.. |
| 11:57.12 | trogger | Speedy2: :) |
| 11:57.42 | Speedy2 | fuck, no pico or nano in knoppix? |
| 11:57.47 | trogger | vim |
| 11:57.56 | trogger | but nano should be there, I would have thought... |
| 11:58.21 | Zvpun | trogger: why dont you use lilo then? afaik all he wants to do is boot windows, lilo should be sufficient |
| 11:58.24 | trogger | it's strange, though... knoppix has all the bloat of kde, yet misses some very small, very useful tools like oftpd or equivalent |
| 11:58.34 | trogger | Zvpun: was using grub before |
| 11:58.40 | trogger | Zvpun: lilo is the same |
| 11:58.45 | Speedy2 | trogger: The POS tells me it's read-only because of the fstab entry |
| 11:58.47 | Speedy2 | I need to fix it |
| 11:58.48 | Speedy2 | gah |
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| 11:58.52 | arango | jerome: can you show me your output for "cat /proc/bus/input/devices" ? |
| 11:58.55 | matteo | hi |
| 11:58.57 | raghu | trogger: you can apt-get no? |
| 11:59.06 | trogger | raghu: come again? |
| 11:59.14 | trogger | raghu: ah sorry yes |
| 11:59.20 | matteo | i have to reisntall debian due to an hd failure |
| 11:59.26 | raghu | trogger: np |
| 11:59.29 | matteo | i have an ampty hd on my laptop |
| 11:59.36 | matteo | what netistall i have to use? |
| 11:59.42 | matteo | i want to install sid |
| 11:59.44 | trogger | Speedy2: do you want step-by-step instructions with vim? |
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| 11:59.55 | Speedy2 | trogger: Sure, thanks |
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| 12:00.08 | sml | is there a MSN compatible message program for debian ? |
| 12:00.08 | trogger | ok, so obviously vim /etc/fstab |
| 12:00.14 | Speedy2 | right |
| 12:00.15 | Zvpun | trogger: all you need is a lilo.conf and a lilo (from knoppix) you add the other=/dev/hda? line and run lilo |
| 12:00.16 | trogger | press j to go down to the relevant line |
| 12:00.18 | J_P | stew: debian are running in one Compact Flash.. |
| 12:00.19 | trogger | then dd |
| 12:00.20 | Speedy2 | ok |
| 12:00.21 | Zvpun | trogger: that is it, no new partition |
| 12:00.23 | simonrvn | matteo: same one. doesn't make much difference |
| 12:00.23 | trogger | then :wq |
| 12:00.25 | Speedy2 | k |
| 12:00.27 | caphuso | sml: several |
| 12:00.37 | sml | caphuso: is there a text based one ? |
| 12:00.40 | matteo | sml: use kopete |
| 12:00.43 | trogger | Zvpun: tell me precisely where the lilo.conf is going to go, eh? |
| 12:00.44 | sml | with minimal features.. |
| 12:00.45 | caphuso | sml: several |
| 12:00.54 | sml | caphuso: can you .. recommend a good one ? |
| 12:00.57 | trogger | sml: gaim |
| 12:01.02 | caphuso | sml: bitlbee |
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| 12:01.06 | trogger | sml: isn't minimal features, but the best |
| 12:01.13 | Speedy2 | ok, I deleted the line |
| 12:01.16 | Zvpun | trogger: oh my god |
| 12:01.17 | sml | ok thanks all :) |
| 12:01.19 | Speedy2 | Now I take it I need to add a line to make it rw? |
| 12:01.22 | Zvpun | trogger: you have a /tmp/ |
| 12:01.25 | simonrvn | off the top of me head there's centericq. dunno if it groks M$N proto |
| 12:01.31 | petemc | it used to |
| 12:01.34 | Zvpun | trogger: you cant be serious |
| 12:01.52 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 12:01.52 | Zvpun | trogger: You told him to create a partition to save a file? that cant be true |
| 12:01.56 | Speedy2 | I did mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/hda3 |
| 12:01.59 | trogger | Speedy2: should be able to just leave it off altogether, mount later with mount -t ext2 /dev/hda3 /mountpoint |
| 12:02.00 | Speedy2 | mount claims it's rw |
| 12:02.06 | Speedy2 | but grun-install says it's read-only |
| 12:02.06 | trogger | Zvpun: you don't know what you're talking about, dude |
| 12:02.07 | Zvpun | trogger: i am missing something right? otherwise it would be so incredibly funny |
| 12:02.10 | Speedy2 | gah |
| 12:02.15 | TolkienLuver | !info phpMyAdmin |
| 12:02.16 | Speedy2 | It's trying to create /boot/grub |
| 12:02.17 | js_ | does debian/linux have some kind of fork protection? |
| 12:02.18 | J_P | trogger: anyone problem running debian woody in CF ? |
| 12:02.20 | dpkg | phpmyadmin: (set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW), section web, is extra. Version: 3:2.6.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2419 kB, Installed size: 9228 kB |
| 12:02.21 | Speedy2 | and that's what's read-only |
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| 12:02.27 | simonrvn | /etc/mtab is confuzzled |
| 12:02.32 | trogger | Zvpun: I am talking about where you are going to save the lilo.conf while you boot, you're trying to take me back to preschool. |
| 12:02.38 | Zvpun | trogger: okay: he creates a /tmp/lilo.conf with the other=/dev/hda? entry |
| 12:02.50 | trogger | Zvpun: and, clever guy, as soon as he boots /tmp is gone. |
| 12:02.55 | simonrvn | js_: like exec-shield? grsec? selinux? |
| 12:03.02 | trogger | Zvpun: along with lilo |
| 12:03.05 | Zvpun | trogger: lilo.conf is NOT needed to boot. it is just needed to install the boot record |
| 12:03.10 | js_ | simonrvn: ah, thanks |
| 12:03.15 | Zvpun | trogger: after you run lilo you can remove the lilo.conf |
| 12:03.28 | Speedy2 | trogger: grub-install is trying to install itself to /boot |
| 12:03.33 | Speedy2 | And /boot on knoppix is read-only |
| 12:03.36 | Speedy2 | It's not stuffing it on /dev/hda3 |
| 12:03.39 | Speedy2 | (or /mnt/hda3) |
| 12:03.41 | Zvpun | trogger: /tmp is not needed all he needs to to is run lilo ONCE |
| 12:03.42 | trogger | Speedy2: grub-install /dev/hda3 ? |
| 12:03.44 | Speedy2 | yeah |
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| 12:03.46 | Speedy2 | Doing that |
| 12:03.47 | Speedy2 | still |
| 12:03.57 | Speedy2 | "cannot create directory /boot/grub: read-only file system" |
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| 12:04.02 | trogger | Zvpun: ok, good point, but where is the lilo binary going to sit? |
| 12:04.09 | matteo | mount /boot -oremount,rw |
| 12:04.15 | Zvpun | trogger: the lilo binary is installed on the knoppix CD |
| 12:04.15 | simonrvn | so remount it already... |
| 12:04.21 | Zvpun | trogger: you dont have to create a partition |
| 12:04.27 | Speedy2 | matteo: Yeah, but this is on knoppix, isn't / on the RAMDISK? |
| 12:04.28 | Zvpun | trogger: you create a lilo.conf |
| 12:04.31 | Zvpun | trogger: you run lilo |
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| 12:04.43 | Zvpun | trogger: you can delete lilo and lilo.conf now it is no longer needed |
| 12:04.58 | trogger | Zvpun: yes, I understand your strategy, but doesn't lilo need to have it's main prog sitting on a partition somewhere, with the mbr just pointing to where the main prog lives? |
| 12:05.05 | Zvpun | trogger: no |
| 12:05.13 | trogger | Zvpun: are you sure? |
| 12:05.19 | Zvpun | trogger: yes |
| 12:05.22 | trogger | ok |
| 12:05.29 | Speedy2 | ok, fuck this, I'm trying Winternals bootdisk |
| 12:05.32 | trogger | ok |
| 12:05.40 | Zvpun | trogger: it is okay |
| 12:05.43 | Souza10 | Does any body know how to resolve it? I instaled Debian and got blackbox. if I don't make anything during 5 minutes approximately every window close and the login and passwd is asked again. How could I control it in Debian? |
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| 12:06.05 | resiak | Souza10: Uh, you mean a screensaver? |
| 12:06.17 | Zvpun | okay guys have a nice night |
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| 12:07.06 | resiak | Souza10: Run xscreensaver-demo and turn off locking of the screen.; |
| 12:07.13 | _7eicher | anyone here who have some experience with c2faxsend? my prob is actually, that c2faxsend sends successfully but allways with blank page, just the header will send... any idea why? |
| 12:07.17 | ncsu | how do you get the file size of something? |
| 12:07.23 | resiak | ncsu: du |
| 12:07.26 | ncsu | ty |
| 12:07.27 | resiak | ncsu: or stat |
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| 12:07.31 | resiak | ncsu: or ls -l |
| 12:07.33 | resiak | !ty |
| 12:07.34 | dpkg | it has been said that ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player |
| 12:07.40 | Souza10 | resiak: Not a screesaver. it's like another user will login. all is closed and let me very boring |
| 12:08.07 | resiak | Souza10: Oh. Well, I'd guess that's a Blackbox "feature", and I know nothing about Blackbox. |
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| 12:08.54 | raz_ | im bored. im gona try to solv it another time. cya. thx. i dont found |
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| 12:09.44 | Souza10 | resiak: thanks any way |
| 12:09.51 | ncsu | is du in KB or bytes? |
| 12:09.57 | arango | Do usb devices have device file in /dev ? |
| 12:10.01 | resiak | ncsu: man du |
| 12:10.05 | resiak | ncsu: Try -h |
| 12:10.08 | stew | ncsu: du -h |
| 12:10.17 | trogger | kb |
| 12:10.23 | trogger | arango: no |
| 12:10.24 | ncsu | gotcha, thanks |
| 12:10.34 | trogger | arango: not unless the driver puts one there |
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| 12:11.06 | arango | trogger: Thanks |
| 12:11.10 | resiak | !tell directhex|work about nvidia |
| 12:11.17 | ArtVandalae | I remember Tux Racer a commercial program (where you could get extra content if you purchased it). Now Tux Racer seems to be completely free, am I thinking about the same game, or do I have it confused? |
| 12:11.17 | trogger | arango: np |
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| 12:11.40 | ncsu | and umount will write files form /media/floppy0 to the disk? |
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| 12:12.05 | ncsu | because it didn't sound like it was copying anything when i was moving them |
| 12:12.18 | stew | ncsu: unmount will, or sync will without unmounting |
| 12:12.28 | stew | s/un/u/ |
| 12:12.33 | arango | lsusb is reporting ID 0000:0000 for some of my usb devices. Is there a way to find these IDs ? |
| 12:12.43 | trogger | Speedy2: you still here? |
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| 12:12.58 | Zitter | sorry, I've asked to dpkg-bot for bind |
| 12:13.04 | Zitter | dpkg, bind |
| 12:13.05 | dpkg | somebody said bind was the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/view.cgi?/products/BIND/index.phtml, or read the brilliant docs at http://www.nominum.com/resources/documentation/Bv9ARM.pdf. |
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| 12:13.26 | Zitter | second link doesn't work... anyone knows where's doc? |
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| 12:13.35 | petemc | Zitter: apt-get install bind9-doc |
| 12:14.04 | stew | Zitter: google for Bv9ARM.pdf |
| 12:15.02 | flart | any postfix-experts here? |
| 12:15.05 | valdyn | arango: ID 0000:0000 is one of your usb buses? |
| 12:15.18 | stew | flart: possibly, but there are lots of them in #postfix |
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| 12:15.32 | scarynetworkguy | !tell flart about ask |
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| 12:15.53 | arango | valdyn: I don't know |
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| 12:16.04 | Zitter | ok, if someone wants to correct link... www.ing-steen.se/share/unix/net/named/Bv9ARM.pdf see you |
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| 12:16.11 | Patrick_ | anyone know any nice bt clients that dont chew uploads |
| 12:16.44 | valdyn | arango: a bus: Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000, a plugged in device: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 047f:0ca1 Plantronics, Inc. |
| 12:16.49 | flart | stew: #postfix seems to be asleep ;) |
| 12:16.50 | stew | Patrick_: btdownloadcurses -max_upload_rate=blah |
| 12:17.06 | Patrick_ | stew, exactly what i needed |
| 12:17.11 | flart | how do i make postfix send a 553 error back, when the recipient address is invalid? some hints? |
| 12:17.13 | petemc | stew: no = |
| 12:17.14 | flart | thats what i need |
| 12:17.22 | petemc | max_upload_rate 75 |
| 12:17.25 | Patrick_ | stew, downloads r unlimited yes? |
| 12:17.29 | stew | petemc: ok, make that man btdownloadcurses |
| 12:17.35 | petemc | :) |
| 12:17.35 | stew | Patrick_: ^^ |
| 12:18.02 | Patrick_ | stew, so btdownloadcurses -max_upload_rate=4 ?? |
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| 12:20.28 | stew | petemc: no, as petemc said, no =, read the manpage |
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| 12:21.39 | florisbarthel | Hi, how come I cannot alt-tab out of SDL applications such as Neverwinter Nights or America's Army |
| 12:22.20 | stew | flart: what is it doing now? 550? |
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| 12:24.50 | noid2 | whats is the most popular dns ? BIND ? |
| 12:24.56 | trogger | noid2: yep |
| 12:24.59 | trogger | bind9 |
| 12:25.02 | trogger | is good |
| 12:25.18 | noid2 | cool thanks |
| 12:25.22 | Speedy2 | FUCK YES |
| 12:25.22 | grubby | exit |
| 12:25.29 | trogger | Speedy2: what's up |
| 12:25.32 | Speedy2 | Thank god for ERD |
| 12:25.33 | ledet | Noid: the most popular might not be the best... or what you want |
| 12:25.36 | Speedy2 | (Systernals tools) |
| 12:25.39 | Speedy2 | Wiped the MBR correctly |
| 12:25.39 | trogger | Speedy2: good |
| 12:25.42 | Speedy2 | And the fucker boots Linux |
| 12:25.46 | Speedy2 | Gah |
| 12:25.50 | trogger | Speedy2: you sound like a happy chappy |
| 12:25.52 | Speedy2 | And now I find this |
| 12:25.52 | Speedy2 | http://www.geocities.com/thestarman3/asm/mbr/BootToolsRefs.htm |
| 12:25.55 | Noid | ledet: you mean noid2 (-; |
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| 12:26.09 | noid2 | ledet: the most popular means most documented |
| 12:26.13 | Speedy2 | trogger: Dude, thanks *SO* MUCH for trying to help me out. And thanks to everyone else who offered suggestions |
| 12:26.23 | noid2 | Noid: holy shit ive been useing noid2 for my life |
| 12:26.26 | Speedy2 | Don't take my aggrivated state for being ungrateful |
| 12:26.43 | ledet | Noid: yes, sorry |
| 12:26.52 | trogger | Speedy2: np, sorry I couldn't produce a fast fix... I've learnt a lot from the process too. |
| 12:26.58 | ledet | noid2: not necessarily... |
| 12:27.01 | Noid | noid2: haha funny d-: |
| 12:27.02 | Speedy2 | Yeah...grub can suck. |
| 12:27.04 | Noid | ledet: np |
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| 12:28.50 | trogger | can you use an arbitrary directory on an ext2 disk for swap? |
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| 12:28.51 | jm_ | yes |
| 12:28.59 | jm_ | with a swapfile that is |
| 12:29.00 | caphuso | trogger: no, you need to use either a swap partition or a file |
| 12:29.03 | nome | hi |
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| 12:29.23 | nome | i still can't find a solution to expand root fs |
| 12:29.26 | simonrvn | 6 94 3 ~favx |
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| 12:29.33 | stew | trogger: man mkswap |
| 12:29.33 | trogger | how do I export a partition via nfs? |
| 12:29.44 | nome | is there someone that has never expanded root partition? |
| 12:29.46 | trogger | stew: yep |
| 12:29.47 | BrianAnthony | Hey, I have a question a couple drivers, those being the keyboard. and mouse, I can't find a driver that works. My mouse is a logitech wireless optical on a usb port. and my keyboard is a standard 101 key |
| 12:29.50 | BrianAnthony | err |
| 12:29.51 | simonrvn | ////// |
| 12:29.54 | BrianAnthony | maybe 104 |
| 12:30.04 | BrianAnthony | or something... =/ |
| 12:30.09 | Noid | simonrvn: haha |
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| 12:30.52 | johny | nome, tune2fs? |
| 12:31.01 | simonrvn | Noid: was unintentional :) |
| 12:31.03 | nome | simonrvn: was that an expanded root partition? |
| 12:31.04 | Patrick_ | hey, that argument max_total_uploads didnt work for btdownloadcurses |
| 12:31.32 | Noid | simonrvn: i thought you were answering nome, expanding the / partition (-X |
| 12:31.34 | caphuso | Patrick_: how do you know? |
| 12:31.39 | Patrick_ | i tried |
| 12:31.41 | simonrvn | nome: wasn't meant to be, but i guess if you're in for a small chucle, i suppose you can take it that way =) |
| 12:31.48 | simonrvn | chuckle even |
| 12:31.48 | nome | Noid: actually me tooo |
| 12:31.51 | caphuso | Patrick_: and you counted the number of uploading connections how? |
| 12:32.29 | Patrick_ | no it didnt start |
| 12:32.29 | Patrick_ | the argument is invalid |
| 12:32.29 | Noid | nome: i think parted lets you play with partitions |
| 12:32.30 | stew | Patrick_: did you read the manpage? thats not even the argument i told you to use |
| 12:32.36 | caphuso | Patrick_: then you invented a new option instead of reading the man page |
| 12:32.38 | Patrick_ | im reading now |
| 12:32.41 | Patrick_ | lol |
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| 12:32.49 | nome | Noid: it seems i can't expand without formating |
| 12:32.52 | Patrick_ | -max_upload_rate 4 |
| 12:32.53 | orfeu | i have a provblem when i install nvidia modules |
| 12:32.54 | orfeu | Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386 (1.0.6629+1-1) ... |
| 12:32.55 | orfeu | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/nvidia/nvidia.o |
| 12:33.13 | simonrvn | nome: depends on the fs |
| 12:33.19 | nome | ext3 |
| 12:33.27 | simonrvn | nome: al or most can expand, but you gotta have the room ;) |
| 12:33.42 | Patrick_ | it says too many arguments - 1 max |
| 12:33.44 | simonrvn | ext2 and ext3 can go both ways |
| 12:33.51 | Noid | nome: it should be expandable |
| 12:34.06 | nome | 7 Gb of Pri/Log Free Space |
| 12:34.07 | simonrvn | (no, doesn't mean they're bisexual, but anyway ;) |
| 12:34.18 | nome | Noid: you mean with parted? |
| 12:34.54 | Noid | nome: yes |
| 12:34.57 | Patrick_ | stew, it sayed that error message |
| 12:35.09 | Patrick_ | stew, too amny args |
| 12:35.15 | stew | Patrick_: ffs |
| 12:35.18 | Noid | nome: qtparted for a frontend |
| 12:35.20 | stew | Patrick_: thats still the wrong argument |
| 12:35.27 | Patrick_ | stew, its in the manual |
| 12:35.46 | stew | Patrick_: --max_upload_rate |
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| 12:36.01 | Patrick_ | stew, i forgot that other -, lol |
| 12:36.05 | nome | Noid: umm but how can i just expand? |
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| 12:36.56 | Patrick_ | stew, now im getting a unknown url type lol |
| 12:37.00 | nome | Noid i can just format not resize with parted |
| 12:37.07 | nome | sorry qtparted |
| 12:37.39 | Noid | nome: i'm pretty sure there is a resize command in parted, man parted |
| 12:37.40 | simonrvn | so get down and dirty with parted |
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| 12:40.35 | Noid | nome: besides, there is a resize option in qtparted too, i just checked (curiosity killed the cat) |
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| 12:40.36 | nome | Noid: actually it's true :P |
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| 12:40.36 | nome | maybe with knoppix i can do that |
| 12:40.55 | Noid | nome: i'm pretty sure you can, afair knoppix has that kind of tools |
| 12:41.11 | |fire| | hi, I need to install apache+mod_perl and have heard about the problems with the rpm packages, are the .deb packages ok, or is it better to hand-compile the packages? |
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| 12:41.49 | simonrvn | wtf are you even bothering with rpms? |
| 12:41.55 | nome | Noid: i was just checking for a command .... i didn't check strongly qtparted |
| 12:42.16 | nome | Noid: so sorry for the unuseful questions |
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| 12:43.47 | |fire| | simonrvn, nothing, only with precompiled packages and source packages -> compiled |
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| 12:44.15 | |fire| | simonrvn, mean, if it is better to compile the sources, or the deb packages are ok, so I don't need to compile it |
| 12:44.28 | |fire| | simonrvn, and would be simplier when updating the system... |
| 12:44.29 | simonrvn | of course you don't |
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| 12:44.35 | Giovanni | hi guys i must execute every boot a modprobe command how can i do? |
| 12:44.53 | |fire| | Giovanni, modules.conf |
| 12:45.06 | stew | Giovanni: /etc/modules |
| 12:45.23 | stew | |fire|: woody or sarge? |
| 12:45.25 | Giovanni | /etc/modules/module.conf? |
| 12:45.31 | stew | Giovanni: no, just /etc/modules |
| 12:45.34 | |fire| | stew, sarge |
| 12:45.49 | |fire| | Giovanni, as stew say.. only /etc/modules |
| 12:46.04 | stew | |fire|: any problems will be documented in the bts: bugs.debian.org/apache |
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| 12:46.13 | Giovanni | module is a file? |
| 12:46.25 | Giovanni | i can insert the string? |
| 12:46.33 | stew | Giovanni: modules is a file, yes |
| 12:46.52 | Giovanni | ok |
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| 12:47.27 | Giovanni | what's the syntax i've try it but when reboot the pc it can't recognize the comand |
| 12:47.49 | mike_ | hi, i've installed exim on sarge (because i quickly wanted to use my exim.conf from my old woody install). Now i can send mail and receive it but i cannot log onto the POP3 server to receive it on my client computers. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 12:47.55 | Giovanni | modprob ac i'ts ok? |
| 12:48.05 | stew | Giovanni: no, just ac |
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| 12:48.09 | Giovanni | ok |
| 12:48.12 | Giovanni | tnx guys |
| 12:48.39 | stew | Giovanni: did you read the documentation at the top of that file? |
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| 12:49.09 | stew | mike_: which pop3 server are you running (pop3 has nothing to do with exim) |
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| 12:49.47 | mike_ | stew: qpopper |
| 12:49.47 | |fire| | stew, but this are bugs with the deb packages or are they bugs from apache webserver version? |
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| 12:50.12 | mike_ | stew: dw, fixed it |
| 12:50.17 | mike_ | stew: thanks mate |
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| 12:50.52 | Speedy2 | Here's a question...any easy way to get a machine to boot a certain partition? |
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| 12:52.05 | qwer_ | hello |
| 12:52.10 | stew | |fire|: both, but i don't see any real bugs there that you should worry about, most are old and probably unreproducable, or also exist upstream |
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| 12:55.20 | toresbe | My X display has an 8-bit default visual |
| 12:55.36 | toresbe | How can I set the default visual (or override it)? |
| 12:55.37 | Giovanni | stew : if must i insert more than 1 command?? |
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| 12:56.12 | stew | Giovanni: you don't insert commands, you insert names of modules, one per line, just as it says in the documentation at the top of the file. did you read this documentation/ |
| 12:56.25 | CarlosAlex | Hello |
| 12:56.27 | CarlosAlex | How do I uninstall hpoj package??? |
| 12:56.30 | valdyn | toresbe: "DefaultDepth 16" in Screen Section |
| 12:56.32 | Giovanni | stew : yes i've make it |
| 12:56.33 | qwer_ | hello |
| 12:56.39 | stew | Giovanni: make it or read it? |
| 12:56.54 | toresbe | valdyn: Well, it's not a Linux X server, but all my clients are running on a Linux server |
| 12:56.55 | Giovanni | stew : also read |
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| 12:57.13 | CarlosAlex | I have problems using cups |
| 12:57.15 | qwer_ | why i setup the k3bsetup |
| 12:57.22 | johny | CarlosAlex, dpkg -r |
| 12:57.32 | CarlosAlex | Its installed, recognize the printer, but, when I send file to printer, nothing happens |
| 12:58.00 | PitchForkLinux | Hey all, is there a wysiwyg web page design software available for Linux/Debian? |
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| 12:58.13 | CarlosAlex | PitchForkLinux, nvu |
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| 12:58.46 | johny | CarlosAlex, cups is started? |
| 12:59.10 | CarlosAlex | yes |
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| 12:59.37 | johny | CarlosAlex, what say lpq? |
| 12:59.37 | qwer_ | why i setup the k3bsetup |
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| 12:59.54 | CarlosAlex | hp692 is ready |
| 12:59.55 | petemc | qwer_: that question makes no sense |
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| 13:00.19 | johny | CarlosAlex, and if u send somth to printer , lpq what say? |
| 13:00.19 | jstevens | how do I *permanantly* create "ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd" ? as of right now I have to recreate the ln after a reboot |
| 13:00.23 | d22 | is there some kind of limit on number of files on a hard disk drive? I have a lot of files on one of my drives and it says "no space left on the device" but there is like 20gb free |
| 13:00.45 | SlayerXP | d22: yes, you can have one file per inode. see df -i |
| 13:01.25 | CarlosAlex | johny, say nothing |
| 13:01.30 | CarlosAlex | nothing different |
| 13:01.34 | CarlosAlex | lpr -P hp692c /usr/share/cups/data/testprint.ps |
| 13:01.41 | CarlosAlex | lpq |
| 13:01.41 | CarlosAlex | hp692c is ready |
| 13:01.44 | d22 | SlayerXP /dev/sdb1 8962048 8962048 0 100% /backup # how can I increase that? |
| 13:01.45 | CarlosAlex | no entries |
| 13:01.52 | SlayerXP | d22: delete files |
| 13:01.58 | d22 | SlayerXP no other way? |
| 13:02.00 | CarlosAlex | Its so strange |
| 13:02.03 | SlayerXP | d22: nope. |
| 13:02.10 | johny | CarlosAlex, ur sure this is lpq.cups? |
| 13:02.13 | resiak | jstevens: Are you, by any chance, using udev? |
| 13:02.17 | CarlosAlex | no |
| 13:02.18 | johny | and lpr.cups? |
| 13:02.24 | resiak | jstevens: You'll have to look into the misleadingly-named udev.rules file. |
| 13:02.27 | resiak | jstevens: (I think.) |
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| 13:02.49 | johny | CarlosAlex, cat /dev/ur_printer what say? |
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| 13:03.04 | jstevens | resiak: I think I am.. well I am if Sarge does by default :-) |
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| 13:03.12 | resiak | jstevens: Are you using Gnome? |
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| 13:03.17 | resiak | jstevens: Are you using discover? |
| 13:03.19 | Zvpun | Speedy2: still working on your XP? |
| 13:03.20 | resiak | jstevens: So many questions :-) |
| 13:03.29 | CarlosAlex | cat /dev/lp0 |
| 13:03.29 | CarlosAlex | say nothing |
| 13:04.01 | jstevens | resiak: tis ok, questions are allowed... |
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| 13:04.09 | valdyn | d22: recreate the fs w/ more inodes |
| 13:04.11 | johny | CarlosAlex, and ur configuration for your printer is with device /dev/lp0? |
| 13:04.16 | kneet | jstevens, on sid (at least) there's a cd-aliases.rules - I simply ran "ln -s ../cd-aliases.rules ." in rules.d - and it works (it's a 2.6.10 kernel so I'm using ide-cd module |
| 13:04.17 | jstevens | resiak: no to Gnome, yes to discover |
| 13:04.25 | johny | CarlosAlex, the try lsof | grep /dev/lp0 |
| 13:04.41 | CarlosAlex | say nothing |
| 13:04.44 | CarlosAlex | say nothing too |
| 13:04.50 | t31 | someone knows how to make xine play xine? |
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| 13:04.59 | t31 | sorry quicktime |
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| 13:05.05 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 13:05.05 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 13:05.10 | PitchForkLinux | CarlosAlex thank you |
| 13:05.14 | stew | t31: install w32codecs |
| 13:05.21 | johny | CarlosAlex, try to load modules for printer.. lp, it thing.. |
| 13:05.32 | t31 | stew: i have them already i can play with everysingle player but xine |
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| 13:06.00 | stew | t31: dunno then, ask in #xine maybe |
| 13:06.10 | t31 | stew: thx :) |
| 13:06.19 | CarlosAlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.19 | CarlosAlex | hp692c accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00 |
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| 13:06.35 | resiak | jstevens: I don't really know the answer, I'm afraid, but you want to look into whether udev is running, and whether you can force it to make a /dev/dvd for you. |
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| 13:07.28 | valdyn | jstevens: look at /etc/udev/links.conf |
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| 13:07.30 | gholen | If i got a problem in debian, I ´can ask here, right, its a problem whith Xorg+ |
| 13:07.37 | johny | CarlosAlex, u are sure ur printer is working? |
| 13:07.37 | resiak | gholen: Xorg isn't in Debian. |
| 13:07.43 | resiak | gholen: What Debian-based distro are you using? |
| 13:07.45 | CarlosAlex | Yes. |
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| 13:08.03 | CarlosAlex | I have installed slackware too, then I printed some things |
| 13:08.09 | gholen | Ubuntu, but I don't seem to get any help from there |
| 13:08.10 | CarlosAlex | When I came to debian, it doesnt work |
| 13:08.13 | resiak | gholen: So go seek help in #ubuntu |
| 13:08.19 | resiak | gholen: We _cannot_ support Ubuntu. |
| 13:08.38 | gholen | OK, sorry. |
| 13:08.39 | stew | gholen: /topic |
| 13:08.51 | stew | we certainly cannot support xorg |
| 13:09.03 | johny | CarlosAlex, try to connect to localhost:631 |
| 13:09.25 | johny | CarlosAlex, with any browser |
| 13:09.36 | jstevens | resiak: cool, thanks... |
| 13:09.37 | jethro | Total Messages Processed: 24,235 - Total Spam Detected: 70 (0.3%) << spamd(8) owns |
| 13:09.55 | CarlosAlex | Ok |
| 13:09.57 | CarlosAlex | Connected |
| 13:10.01 | CarlosAlex | theres no printer there |
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| 13:10.36 | johny | CarlosAlex, :d and where so you set ur printer? are u setting printer 4 cups? try to add printer ther |
| 13:10.40 | jstevens | kneet: so you added the ln command w/ parameters to the bottom of it? |
| 13:10.42 | johny | there |
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| 13:10.57 | CarlosAlex | ok, Im doing that |
| 13:11.06 | jstevens | kneet: "it" being cd-aliases.rules of course |
| 13:11.12 | johny | CarlosAlex, and try to send a test page from there.. |
| 13:11.20 | PitchForkLinux | CarlosAlex Is nvu available in the debian repositories? |
| 13:11.36 | stew | !nvu |
| 13:11.36 | dpkg | i guess nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com/. No Debian package yet. |
| 13:11.43 | CarlosAlex | I did, |
| 13:11.48 | kneet | jstevens, No - the rules.d catalog is a set of files that is read in alphabetical order. udev.rules is present (linked from /etc/udev) - and in /etc/udev there's a cd-aliases.rules - i just symlinked that the same way. |
| 13:11.50 | CarlosAlex | didnt work johny |
| 13:12.01 | CarlosAlex | PitchForkLinux, is not in repositories |
| 13:12.04 | johny | CarlosAlex, ok.. what say? |
| 13:12.06 | CarlosAlex | do donwload |
| 13:12.08 | CarlosAlex | say nothing |
| 13:12.15 | CarlosAlex | say that the test was done |
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| 13:12.36 | PitchForkLinux | ok...so If I ned to use this I have to go to some other os besides Debian |
| 13:12.38 | johny | CarlosAlex, and the printer don't say the some thing:) |
| 13:12.39 | CarlosAlex | HP DeskJet 692C Foomatic/hpijs (recommended) Im using this driver |
| 13:12.44 | jstevens | kneet: ok, I don't quite understand that, *yet*, but this looks like it's what I'm looking for |
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| 13:12.59 | Delph | PitchForkLinux: no; you can either roll your own package, or you can install it from source. |
| 13:13.06 | kneet | jstevens, OK - two things - do you have a script /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules ? |
| 13:13.06 | CarlosAlex | the same choosed in slackware |
| 13:13.19 | jstevens | kneet: yep, do have that |
| 13:13.30 | jstevens | kneet: am looking at it now |
| 13:13.31 | CarlosAlex | oh oh |
| 13:13.37 | CarlosAlex | when I click in Admintration |
| 13:13.40 | PitchForkLinux | OK. Ill have to read up on how to do that. Can someone point me to some docs on installing from source? |
| 13:13.40 | CarlosAlex | theres no printer |
| 13:13.47 | kneet | OK - as root then - cd /etc/udev/rules.d; ln -s ../cd-aliases.rules . |
| 13:13.51 | johny | CarlosAlex, ? |
| 13:13.51 | CarlosAlex | if I click in printers, there has my printer |
| 13:13.53 | kneet | And restart udev |
| 13:14.05 | Akbar | someone got a good howto for creating debs? |
| 13:14.18 | johny | CarlosAlex, You need to have printer in the printer "tab" |
| 13:14.27 | CarlosAlex | Yes |
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| 13:14.36 | CarlosAlex | there is the printer there |
| 13:14.41 | jazzcat | hello |
| 13:14.47 | CarlosAlex | idle, and accepting jobs |
| 13:14.55 | CarlosAlex | device URI parallel:/dev/lp0 |
| 13:14.55 | jazzcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.03 | CarlosAlex | everything normal |
| 13:15.11 | jethro | jazzcat: get the latest orinoco code |
| 13:15.15 | CarlosAlex | I dunno what to do |
| 13:15.23 | jethro | jazzcat: depending on the version you might not be able to use RF_MON |
| 13:15.24 | jazzcat | jethro, wheres?? |
| 13:15.35 | johny | CarlosAlex, ok.. i don't know what is the problem... u can try turboprint |
| 13:15.46 | jethro | jazzcat: and have a look at hostap too, since it provides better fonctionnalities then the orinoco driver imho |
| 13:15.56 | johny | CarlosAlex, u know what is turboprint? |
| 13:15.58 | jethro | jazzcat: jfgi? |
| 13:16.02 | CarlosAlex | Not |
| 13:16.13 | johny | google it. |
| 13:16.19 | jethro | !fgi jazzcat orinoco drivers linux |
| 13:16.19 | CarlosAlex | ok. |
| 13:16.20 | dpkg | jazzcat: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=orinoco drivers linux |
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| 13:16.23 | jazzcat | jethro, jfgi ????? |
| 13:16.25 | CarlosAlex | I need to uninstall cups ? |
| 13:16.28 | vda | Can't locate RRDs.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ../../lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./diagrams.pl line 9. - Which lib do i need? |
| 13:16.30 | johny | no |
| 13:16.36 | jethro | can I update the fgi cmd? |
| 13:16.47 | johny | CarlosAlex, turboprint is using cups or lprng |
| 13:16.51 | jethro | so that it replaces ' ' with + or %20 |
| 13:16.57 | CarlosAlex | hummm... |
| 13:16.58 | resiak | jethro: Blootbots can't do that. |
| 13:17.07 | CarlosAlex | I will look for information about the instalation |
| 13:17.15 | jethro | resiak: if it's perl then you can |
| 13:17.17 | t31 | how can i move whole folder files to a different place, can i use mv /bla/bla/*.*? |
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| 13:17.36 | jstevens | kneet: ok, umm... I'm sorry, but I'm loosing something... |
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| 13:17.48 | stew | jethro: you can by editing the source maybe, but not as it stands currently |
| 13:17.50 | jstevens | kneet: cd /etc/udev/rules.d; ln -s ../cd-aliases.rules |
| 13:17.57 | jazzcat | dpkg... i have already tried with all orinoco drivers realases, and also parched them |
| 13:18.07 | jstevens | kneet: so CD into the rules DIR |
| 13:18.12 | johny | !bin2iso |
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| 13:18.17 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 13:18.17 | dpkg | <nevyn_> lazybone: DIE <lazybone> nevyn_: What is DIE? |
| 13:18.19 | jethro | stew: how come I saw people declare and update CMD on dpkg then? |
| 13:18.27 | Zvpun | heh, someone said that X.org isn't in debian, is that really true? Dont they use X.org in unstable do they still use xfree86? |
| 13:18.33 | kneet | yes - in the rules.d dir there should be a symlink to either udev.rules or a set of devfs compat rules |
| 13:18.33 | ricky_clarkson | jethro, wayttd? |
| 13:18.42 | kneet | Depending on what you like your dev to look like |
| 13:18.42 | resiak | jethro: I run one. It would require source patches. |
| 13:18.46 | jerome | Zvpun: mostly true |
| 13:19.03 | directhex|work | Zvpun, debian uses xfree86 4.3, with many drivers backported from xorg. |
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| 13:19.05 | vda | Can't locate RRDs.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ../../lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./diagrams.pl line 9. - Which lib do i need? |
| 13:19.08 | Xybernaut | hi! eth0-> 192.168.0.1 my local network. eth0:1 -> 128.0.0.1 this second my ip i run iptables script forward 80 port to: 3128 Script command: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.255:3128 how i stop port forwarding to 128.0.0.1 ip number ? |
| 13:19.09 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: have dpkg reply "jazzcat: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=orinoco+drivers+linux" when I !fgi foo linux drivers orinoco |
| 13:19.10 | oobe | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.10 | oobe | <[Tw]XdCc--Happyjoes-28-> --> ** BrOuGhT_To_U_By_#TrOuBlE-WaReZ ** |
| 13:19.12 | Zvpun | t31: what do you want to do? Why doesnt mv foo bar; work? |
| 13:19.17 | jstevens | kneet: aaah, I think I just caught what you mean... make a symlink to cd-aliases in the rules.d directory |
| 13:19.23 | ricky_clarkson | jethro, it can't automatically put in the + signs. |
| 13:19.27 | jethro | sucky |
| 13:19.32 | jethro | I ll send a patch then :) |
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| 13:19.38 | resiak | jethro: I'd love you to. |
| 13:19.42 | kneet | jstevens, Yes - that's right - I have: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Dec 6 10:13 cd-aliases.rules -> ../cd-aliases.rules |
| 13:19.42 | jethro | would you? |
| 13:19.43 | Zvpun | jerome: will they use X.org in the future? isn't x.org heavily under development while xfree86 is basically dead? |
| 13:19.47 | jethro | who shall I send it too then? |
| 13:19.53 | ricky_clarkson | jethro, make it so that it has a <url></url> type then. |
| 13:19.54 | jethro | and where can I get dpkg source ode? |
| 13:19.55 | resiak | jethro: If you can think of a sane way to implement it, without making "fgi" a built-in. |
| 13:20.01 | ricky_clarkson | jethro, apt-get source blootbot |
| 13:20.04 | stew | Zvpun: /topic, /msg dpkg xorg ; /msg dpkg x.org |
| 13:20.05 | jethro | aight |
| 13:20.05 | resiak | jethro: blootbot.sf.net |
| 13:20.12 | resiak | jethro: The package is out of date. |
| 13:20.20 | directhex|work | Zvpun, they'll use xorg after the current testing version, 3.1 (sarge) releases |
| 13:20.20 | jethro | resiak: !fgi is builtin? |
| 13:20.24 | jerome | Zvpun: sure, listen to stew |
| 13:20.28 | ricky_clarkson | jethro, then when you're done, do the same for javabot :) |
| 13:20.30 | resiak | jethro: It's not, which is the point. But ricky_clarkson's idea is good. |
| 13:20.32 | jethro | my bad I misread |
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| 13:20.38 | jstevens | kneet: cool, sorry about that.. now will that also catch the fact that I have 2 CD drives, and that hdc is the one that's the DVD ? |
| 13:20.47 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: I d rather have my balls chopped |
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| 13:20.55 | directhex|work | Zvpun, it's pointless changing unstable to xorg if it means you can't rely on unstable for packages suitable for implementing in testing anymore |
| 13:20.56 | ricky_clarkson | jethro, consider it done. |
| 13:20.57 | nick01 | hi |
| 13:20.58 | jethro | :) |
| 13:21.03 | kneet | jstevens, does here |
| 13:21.07 | nick01 | how do I disable hotplug ? |
| 13:21.16 | ricky_clarkson | Hell, even *Cygwin* can do xorg! |
| 13:21.18 | jstevens | kneet: sweet |
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| 13:21.37 | jethro | xorg is not worth it |
| 13:21.39 | stew | nick01: apt-get remove hotplug, or /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 13:21.51 | jstevens | kneet: now I wonder if it'll agree w/ hotswap |
| 13:21.56 | jerome | someone should tell dpkg about xserver (Keith Packard's work) |
| 13:22.00 | vda | Can't locate RRDs.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ../../lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./diagrams.pl line 9. - Which lib do i need? |
| 13:22.03 | kneet | jstevens, it creates for me /dev/cdrw /dev/cdrom both pointing to hdc and /dev/cdrom0 pointing to hdd |
| 13:22.14 | ricky_clarkson | vda, the one that makes you repeat indefinitely in IRC. |
| 13:22.18 | directhex|work | !irritate vda |
| 13:22.18 | dpkg | vda: hi every1 how does I run teh mouse lol |
| 13:22.21 | valdyn | jerome: go ahead do it |
| 13:22.22 | ricky_clarkson | vda, oh, sorry, you already have that. #perl |
| 13:22.34 | directhex|work | !find RRDs.pm |
| 13:22.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'RRDs.pm' (2 shown): (/usr/lib/perl5/RRDs.pm) in perl/librrds-perl ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Log/Log4perl/Appender/RRDs.pm) in perl/liblog-log4perl-perl. |
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| 13:22.54 | resiak | !tell vda -about search |
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| 13:22.58 | ricky_clarkson | What a horrible package name, liblog-log4perl-perl |
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| 13:23.05 | Xybernaut | hi! eth0-> 192.168.0.1 my local network. eth0:1 -> 128.0.0.1 this second my ip i run iptables script forward 80 port to: 3128 Script command: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.255:3128 how i stop port forwarding to 128.0.0.1 ip number ? |
| 13:23.27 | nick01 | strew: I just wanna disable it not remove it; 'msg didn't help |
| 13:23.28 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, logloglog! |
| 13:23.39 | jethro | how do I use literal to show me how fgi is defined (the cmd not the factoid) |
| 13:23.40 | jethro | ? |
| 13:23.46 | resiak | !literal fgi |
| 13:23.46 | dpkg | fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 13:23.51 | ricky_clarkson | !literal cmd: fgi (.*?) |
| 13:23.53 | jethro | not this one :) |
| 13:23.54 | stew | nick01: update-rc.d -f remove hotplug |
| 13:23.55 | resiak | !lose me |
| 13:23.55 | dpkg | resiak: You Lose. |
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| 13:24.07 | resiak | !+literal: cmd: fgi (.*?) (.*?) |
| 13:24.14 | caphuso | Xybernaut: why are you using 127.0.0.1 for eth0:1? |
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| 13:24.23 | nick01 | stew: tks- and how do I enable it again ? |
| 13:24.27 | ricky_clarkson | waht tehe f |
| 13:24.29 | resiak | literal: cmd: fgi (.*?) (.*?) |
| 13:24.33 | resiak | Shit. |
| 13:24.53 | Xybernaut | caphuso: No 128.0.0.1 other network ip adress.. |
| 13:24.58 | caphuso | Xybernaut: what? |
| 13:25.14 | ricky_clarkson | <dpkg> CMD: fgi (.*?) (.*?) is ($1,$2): <reply>$1: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=$2 |
| 13:25.23 | stew | nick01: update-rc.d hotplug defaults (read the update-rc.d manpage) |
| 13:25.35 | nick01 | tks |
| 13:26.22 | dbron | Hi all, I need to set up a linux firewall this weekend and in the past have just used iptables or ipchains. I have been interested in the debs such as smoothwall, but found they were a little difficult to set up. Is there a package that is worth the effort - or is iptables from scratch the best method. It would be nice to be able to delegate some simple changes - with iptables, this really isn't an option. |
| 13:26.36 | nick01 | T90:~# update-rc.d -f remove hotplug |
| 13:26.36 | nick01 | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/remove: file does not exist |
| 13:26.36 | nick01 | T90:~# |
| 13:26.39 | nick01 | stew: ? |
| 13:26.39 | valdyn | dbron: shorewall |
| 13:26.57 | stew | nick01: hotplug remove |
| 13:26.58 | dbron | valdyn: maybe it was shorewall I tried last time |
| 13:27.10 | dbron | valdyn: s/smoothwall/shorewall/ |
| 13:27.16 | nick01 | tks |
| 13:27.17 | stew | nick01: the manpage would be more reliable than i would |
| 13:27.20 | valdyn | dbron: well, i found it really easy compared to raw iptables |
| 13:27.35 | dbron | valdyn: heh, I will try it again |
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| 13:27.55 | valdyn | dbron: and so should it be for you if you have used raw iptables |
| 13:27.57 | dbron | valdyn: it is a three nic config, and I know the howto was specific to that |
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| 13:28.47 | valdyn | dbron: /usr/share/doc/shorewall has nice documentation to start, the default config files are pretty much self explanatory |
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| 13:29.00 | dbron | valdyn: I really didn't give it a great effort, I knew how to do what I needed with iptables, I didn't consider the delegation part well enough though. |
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| 13:29.58 | dbron | valdyn: I have some good reliable help, but I have locked myself out of boxes with iptables enough that I prefer not to let anyone else work on it |
| 13:30.12 | dbron | valdyn: thanks for the input |
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| 13:32.03 | suzzi_ | any one know what I need to install to make this go away? configure: error: No curses/termcap library found |
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| 13:32.47 | jm_ | suzzi_: ncurses devl lib, "/msg dpkg menuconfig" for a hint |
| 13:32.51 | rubixXx | does anyone know of an apt-get list of sources that are up-to-date with the current software? |
| 13:32.58 | noid2 | does anyone know if wu-ftpd is capable of Name based virtual FTP serving |
| 13:33.00 | suzzi_ | jm_: cool thanks |
| 13:33.16 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: you mean unstable? |
| 13:33.28 | jethro | noid2: wu-ftpd is only able to provide rootshells |
| 13:33.36 | jethro | noid2: keep away from it |
| 13:33.46 | rubixXx | suzzi_, no i mean something with a version of xchat that is like not .4 ver's behind |
| 13:33.47 | Zvpun | noid2: if you use ftp, dont you worry about password sniffing? |
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| 13:34.14 | noid2 | Zvpun: what is the best alternative ? |
| 13:34.22 | jethro | noid2: scp/sftp |
| 13:34.47 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: theres always a src install, |
| 13:34.50 | noid2 | does sftp require sftp clients ? |
| 13:34.53 | rubixXx | for instance my "up to date" version of xhcat is 2.0.8 while sourceforge has a STABLE release of 2.4.1 |
| 13:35.13 | rubixXx | so you are saying that there are no up to date software mirrors for apt-get? |
| 13:35.17 | Zvpun | noid2: I think so |
| 13:35.20 | noid2 | or can normal ftp clients connect to sftp ? |
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| 13:35.25 | jethro | noid2: no |
| 13:35.28 | racoontje|clone | rubixXx, is that on stable, unstable, or testing |
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| 13:35.50 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: well did you do a search to see if some one built a custom deb for xchat? |
| 13:35.51 | racoontje|clone | rubixXx, I have 2.4.1 on ubuntu hoary. No idea what is in debian though. 2.4.1 is probably in unstable. |
| 13:36.14 | jethro | noid2: if what you need is anonymous ftp for downloads only, then go ahead with ftp, just don't use wu-ftpd since it proved to be a bad ftpd quite a few times |
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| 13:36.19 | rubixXx | basically, i'm comparing this to mandrake and deciding which i want to use...im on ubuntu right now...and i'm just wondering why this supposedly "up to date" distro has software that is almost a year old |
| 13:36.25 | Devi0s | hello all - how do I make virtual ethernet interfaces in debian... in redhat, I could make a file ifcfg_eth0:1 - what is the equivalent? |
| 13:36.25 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xchat&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
| 13:36.35 | jethro | noid2: if you're concerned about security and need a per user access, then go with scp/sftp |
| 13:36.37 | rubixXx | suzzi_, why should i have to when i can get updated apt-get mirrors |
| 13:36.41 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: are you tracking stable??? |
| 13:36.58 | rubixXx | i'm new to debian in general |
| 13:37.00 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: why should you have to what??? |
| 13:37.12 | noid2 | ok thanks ...i will switch to sftp...since i do need per client access.... this channel is great ..btw ..thanks |
| 13:37.17 | rubixXx | i'm actually a mandrake user, and i like debian better as a nice OS, but apt-get is kinda dumb |
| 13:37.31 | petemc | Devi0s: just add an entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:37.33 | jethro | rubixXx: it's not apt-get which is dumb |
| 13:37.41 | rubixXx | suzzi_, why should i have to find an xchat 2.4 .deb when i should be able to apt-get it |
| 13:38.02 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: ok heres how things work, Stable is old tried and true, only securty patches are folded back. Testing is the next stable version, a few changes here and there and security patches. unstable is what every other distro thinks of as current |
| 13:38.03 | Devi0s | petemc: thanks |
| 13:38.05 | jethro | rubixXx: as soon as you tell apt-get to fetch stuff from a repo which has xchat 2.4 |
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| 13:38.43 | rubixXx | jethro, why beat around the bush, when i just asked if anyone knew an uptodate mirror or the apt-get repositories? |
| 13:38.44 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: update your /etc/apt/sources to track unstable and then apt-get distupgrade |
| 13:39.01 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: we all told you to track unstable |
| 13:39.02 | rubixXx | suzzi_, which will have me running an unstable version of my OS? |
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| 13:39.08 | jstevens | kneet: any Idea why it's telling me: ln: accessing `cd-aliases.rules': No such file or directory |
| 13:39.16 | suzzi_ | unstable |
| 13:39.20 | jstevens | kneet: i'm in /etc/udev/fules.d |
| 13:39.21 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: unstable |
| 13:39.31 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: track unstable |
| 13:39.31 | jethro | rubixXx: apt-get.org |
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| 13:40.09 | jethro | rubixXx: you need to understand that stable is not concerned about being 'up to date' when it comes to software versions |
| 13:40.15 | SiliconViper | ** apt-get install sleep && dpkg-reconfigure dreams |
| 13:40.24 | SiliconViper | Night everyone, I'm off to sleep. |
| 13:40.27 | rubixXx | i gotcha |
| 13:40.27 | suzzi_ | SiliconViper: heeh |
| 13:40.32 | jethro | rubixXx: if you're worried about it, then just track unstable if you have the balls, or use another distro |
| 13:40.33 | tazle | hmm, I wonder why the NSS-end of my NIS doesn't seem to be working |
| 13:40.36 | rubixXx | so its use old software or an unstable system that could break any time |
| 13:40.43 | SiliconViper | suzzi_, ^_~ |
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| 13:40.45 | kneet | jstevens, can you paste ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d either in #flood or via the paster bot? |
| 13:41.08 | suzzi_ | jethro: I never had any problems tracking unstable... it's not any diffrent from tracking current in any other distro. |
| 13:41.14 | noid2 | is there any way to widen the ssh console width? |
| 13:41.23 | ricky_clarkson | noid2, make your terminal bigger. |
| 13:41.24 | rubixXx | ok |
| 13:41.27 | suzzi_ | jethro: you just need to know that everytime you apt-get upgrade... you will have upgrades |
| 13:41.29 | rubixXx | thank you guys, i appreciate it |
| 13:41.38 | jstevens | kneet: joined flood.. pasting |
| 13:41.39 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: np thats what were here for |
| 13:41.54 | noid2 | ricky_clarkso: where is the config file for that ...? |
| 13:42.00 | rubixXx | so stable is the last release of the OS and unstable is like the cooker for mandrake |
| 13:42.04 | ricky_clarkson | noid2, what's your terminal? |
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| 13:42.07 | rdancer | !install x |
| 13:42.07 | dpkg | from memory, install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 13:42.11 | suzzi_ | noid2: how are you connecting? |
| 13:42.16 | noid2 | putty |
| 13:42.20 | suzzi_ | noid2: CLI to CLI? |
| 13:42.20 | rdancer | why is it not in one single apt-get install command?^^ |
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| 13:42.41 | ricky_clarkson | noid2, resize your putty window! |
| 13:42.43 | rubixXx | lol |
| 13:42.44 | suzzi_ | noid2: just resize your window... it should follow |
| 13:42.46 | TolkienLuver | !info nmap |
| 13:42.51 | dpkg | nmap: (The Network Mapper), section net, is extra. Version: 3.75-1 (sid), Packaged size: 548 kB, Installed size: 1840 kB |
| 13:42.52 | noid2 | it doesnt |
| 13:42.52 | rubixXx | so the unbuntu project is one big fucking joke |
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| 13:43.12 | noid2 | i mean ...for example theres a line wrap ..if i type netstat --inet -tap |
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| 13:43.15 | rubixXx | excuse my last sentance |
| 13:43.20 | suzzi_ | noid2: ok when you say rezise you want more chars accross the screen right? |
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| 13:43.22 | SiliconViper | rubixXx, no, it's a different project. |
| 13:43.37 | Delph | rubixXx: its hard to keep track when you're trolling multiple channels at once? |
| 13:43.39 | Delph | =;) |
| 13:43.43 | noid2 | suzzi_:yes |
| 13:43.49 | rubixXx | lol |
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| 13:43.51 | rubixXx | i'm out of smokes |
| 13:43.55 | rubixXx | don't mean to be a prick |
| 13:44.28 | suzzi_ | noid2: and if you resize the screen, and re run netstat, it still keeps the same width? |
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| 13:45.11 | stuNNed | hi rubixXx ! |
| 13:45.12 | stuNNed | lol |
| 13:45.12 | rdancer | noid2: play with $COLUMNS and $LINES: export COLUMNS=132 |
| 13:45.13 | noid2 | suzzi_: nope ....thanks ...such simple things .... thanks alot |
| 13:45.20 | rubixXx | sup stuNNed |
| 13:45.24 | noid2 | heheheh |
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| 13:45.27 | rdancer | noid2: or kill -WINCH $$ might help |
| 13:45.27 | stuNNed | fscking cold it is |
| 13:45.31 | ricky_clarkson | noid2, putty->config->window. Rows=24, cols=80 - alter these. |
| 13:45.34 | suzzi_ | noid2: so it does work? |
| 13:45.43 | noid2 | yes .. |
| 13:45.58 | suzzi_ | noid2: I though I was going all batty, I was like it worked for me this afternoon? |
| 13:46.02 | suzzi_ | yaaa |
| 13:46.09 | noid2 | heheh ....thanks |
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| 13:46.19 | noid2 | no on to my next challange wish me luck |
| 13:46.30 | ricky_clarkson | noid2, installing Cygwin? |
| 13:46.34 | suzzi_ | best of luck noid2 |
| 13:46.51 | noid2 | no configuring BIND and apache vhosts |
| 13:46.54 | suzzi_ | ricky_clarkson: thats not much of a chalange... but who knows |
| 13:47.04 | ricky_clarkson | Different strokes for different folks. |
| 13:47.11 | rubixXx | hey for all you people that just told me the wrong things, next time refer a user like me to "Testing" as opposed to unstable....this tidbit has been brought to ME by he knows who |
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| 13:47.20 | suzzi_ | noid2: thats more chalanging then resizing a window... think you can handle it??? hehe |
| 13:47.36 | ricky_clarkson | rubixXx, we do refer you to testing, unless you have a requirement above testing. |
| 13:47.40 | Devi0s | noid2: there's a shopt -o checkwinsize command (or similar) that will update the terminal based on window size |
| 13:47.47 | stuNNed | rubixXx: unstable is too unstable for most |
| 13:48.19 | rubixXx | i just want a nice stable system that does'nt have year old software |
| 13:48.33 | Ronin` | rubixXx: then run testing |
| 13:48.43 | stuNNed | or ubuntu |
| 13:48.44 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: well thats the issue... current is not 'stable' |
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| 13:48.50 | rubixXx | its like standing on a street corner nakey with a wet paper bag on my head and saying "hack my butthole with your nmapfe penis) |
| 13:49.01 | valdyn | rubixXx: no one here usually advices anyone to run sid |
| 13:49.03 | valdyn | !sid |
| 13:49.03 | dpkg | i guess sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 13:49.08 | Ronin` | no it not, stable is very stable and very secure |
| 13:49.08 | rubixXx | suzzi_, your wrong |
| 13:49.16 | rubixXx | suzzi_, testing is the newest stable |
| 13:49.28 | suzzi_ | rubixXx: I told you that like 10 minutes ago |
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| 13:49.36 | valdyn | rubixXx: no, sarge _will_ be the _next_ stable |
| 13:50.03 | rubixXx | along with 10 million other answers of the same or lesser status quo |
| 13:50.08 | stew | rubixXx: stable (aka woody) is the latest stable |
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| 13:50.20 | rdancer | assuming there will be next stable... |
| 13:50.29 | suzzi_ | ok rubixXx you're making my head hurt... I'm off to get some homework done. |
| 13:50.35 | suzzi_ | have a good eve everyone |
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| 13:50.49 | rubixXx | have fun |
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| 13:52.01 | rdancer | Ronin`: why do you think stable is secure? |
| 13:52.09 | rdancer | s/think/say/ |
| 13:52.13 | valdyn | rubixXx: either way you have no reason to complain, its all on debian.org |
| 13:52.34 | rubixXx | next time i shoudln't waste my time talking to you guys...is that what your trying to tell me? |
| 13:52.41 | stew | rubixXx: begone then |
| 13:52.49 | rubixXx | lol |
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| 13:52.51 | rdancer | rubixXx: yes, yes, yes |
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| 13:52.56 | stuNNed | hi all :D |
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| 13:53.12 | stuNNed | mang, this chann is huge :D |
| 13:53.16 | valdyn | rubixXx: this is a public channel, my gorilla could have the nick "guru" here, what do you expect? |
| 13:53.20 | rubixXx | i think i'll just stay here and chill, i don't wanna start trouble but i gotta deal with confusing answers, then telling me not to ask a question in here, then get told how i shoudl leave |
| 13:53.23 | stuNNed | valdyn: lol |
| 13:53.32 | rubixXx | i expect nothing from you |
| 13:53.32 | stew | rubixXx: what are you currently confused about? |
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| 13:53.39 | stuNNed | you guys be nice to rubixXx he is out of smokes :P |
| 13:53.44 | rubixXx | stew: nothing just defending my good name |
| 13:53.51 | greycat | !torch rubixXx |
| 13:53.55 | stew | rubixXx: i'm not sure you are doing that well |
| 13:53.56 | ricky_clarkson | rubixXx, good? rubixXx is a shit nick. What's wrong? |
| 13:53.59 | rubixXx | i know i started the flame session....just a little wierd |
| 13:54.04 | lanzm | can I delete windows ? |
| 13:54.06 | rubixXx | lol |
| 13:54.09 | rubixXx | here come the flames |
| 13:54.10 | rdancer | lanzm: yes |
| 13:54.11 | greycat | lanzm: yes. |
| 13:54.11 | rubixXx | here come the flames |
| 13:54.16 | ricky_clarkson | Don't repeat. |
| 13:54.23 | rubixXx | here come the flames |
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| 13:54.28 | greycat | 08:54 rubixXx [~rubix@ip68-103-55-163.ks.ok.cox.net] |
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| 13:54.33 | greycat | 08:54 channels : #debian #creative #lfd #ubuntu #mandrake |
| 13:54.41 | CarlosAlex | is possible to update kernel automatically ?? |
| 13:54.47 | lanzm | ok, deleted. what should I do now ? |
| 13:54.49 | ricky_clarkson | CarlosAlex, apt-get install kernel-image-whatever |
| 13:54.50 | rdancer | CarlosAlex: sor of |
| 13:54.53 | greycat | CarlosAlex: that would be stupid. |
| 13:54.56 | rdancer | *sort |
| 13:54.56 | valdyn | CarlosAlex: define "update" |
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| 13:55.11 | greycat | you do NOT EVER want to update ANYTHING automatically. That goes QUADRUPLE for your kernel. |
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| 13:56.10 | si|vercat | how do I move the (msgs)-window to one of the split-windows in irssi? |
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| 13:56.33 | infodroid | whats the best way to have a script run when a user logs in and logs out? |
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| 13:56.34 | rdancer | si|vercat: #irssi |
| 13:56.43 | Zvpun | silvercat: how did you create split-windows? how does that work? |
| 13:56.51 | jstevens | kneet: thanks, funny how restarting udev resets your volume levels |
| 13:57.00 | valdyn | infodroid: ~/bash_profile |
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| 13:57.19 | si|vercat | Zvpun: I found this guide on irssi.org/?page=beginner |
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| 13:57.33 | dbron | :window split |
| 13:57.35 | valdyn | infodroid: though one user can log in alot as often as he wants at a time - so keep that in mind.. |
| 13:57.43 | Zvpun | si|vercat: hanks |
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| 13:58.07 | CarlosAlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.10 | CarlosAlex | good |
| 13:58.13 | CarlosAlex | I will do that |
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| 13:58.16 | infodroid | valdyn: i think i mean the {x,k,g}?dm login of a user |
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| 13:58.36 | greycat | CarlosAlex: man apt-get |
| 13:58.44 | greycat | CarlosAlex: your command shown above is utterly fucking WRONG. |
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| 14:00.04 | valdyn | infodroid: each desktop environment ( kde , gnome, xfce ) have their way to add something to their sessions specifically, is that what you want? |
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| 14:01.05 | valdyn | infodroid: and the generic way would be to add everything to start to ~/.xsession |
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| 14:01.29 | infodroid | valdyn: i wrote gdm scripts in /etc/gdm/{PostLogin,PreSession,PostSession} but debian has already done some work on them already, i was wondering if someone was doing something different |
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| 14:03.40 | jstevens | kneet: sweet, /dev/dvd and /dev/dvd1 now exist.. /dev/cdrw points to hdb etc... in other words it saw both drives and saw them correctly... thanks! |
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| 14:04.18 | infodroid | valdyn: you think .xsession will play well with gdm? |
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| 14:04.47 | noid2 | whats the apt package name for sftpd ? |
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| 14:04.59 | valdyn | infodroid: sure. in gdm when logging in chose the default session thatn ~/.xsession of the user logging in will be executed, if it exists |
| 14:05.05 | greycat | noid2: man apt-cache; lynx http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 14:05.12 | noid2 | thanks |
| 14:05.20 | TolkienLuver | !tell noid2 -about search |
| 14:05.34 | greycat | valdyn: the *default* gnome session does not read .xsession. it reads .gnomerc. |
| 14:05.37 | TolkienLuver | !torch greycat |
| 14:05.55 | greycat | Fortunatley, I'm wearing my asbestos fur today. |
| 14:06.00 | TolkienLuver | ;) |
| 14:06.06 | greycat | But as you can see, it interferes with my typing. |
| 14:06.08 | bender-RW- | holy plasmafire batman |
| 14:06.16 | valdyn | greycat: but i was talking about the default session, not the default gnome session - checking |
| 14:06.26 | maxxle | Is there a "howto install a kernel the debian-way"? |
| 14:06.43 | Zvpun | noid2: it is ssh |
| 14:06.48 | infodroid | greycat: you know a good way to run a script at login and logout, other than in /etc/gdm/{Pre,Post,etc..} |
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| 14:07.45 | Phated | infodroid: You can run it at login by placing the command to run it in .bash_profile. |
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| 14:07.52 | Phated | At logout... dunno. |
| 14:07.53 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:07.54 | infodroid | greycat: thats because debian have already customised them (/etc/gdm/PostSession/Default and /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default) |
| 14:07.55 | runedude | sorry to bother, but do you guys know where I can get any psybnc help? (i know this isnt related to debian:/) |
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| 14:08.33 | jethro | runedude: if you need to ask, then you should probably not be using a bouncer |
| 14:08.36 | infodroid | Phated: is it .bash_profile that gets executed? or .profile? is this whenever i bring up a terminal, or only at login? |
| 14:08.41 | noid2 | Zvpun: i have ssh installed but ....but i dont understand ...how ssh servers as a ftpd |
| 14:08.45 | runedude | jethro, no, i get a compile error. |
| 14:08.56 | runedude | I fixed one of them,the other I couldn't find anywhere on google too. |
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| 14:09.08 | bender-RW- | infodroid: i've seen a pam module that does that kind of stuff |
| 14:09.12 | Phated | infodroid: At login. .bash_profile, of course, presuming that you're using bash. If you're using something else, then .profile. |
| 14:09.25 | jethro | runedude: /j #c |
| 14:09.28 | infodroid | bender-RW: very cool - i will definitely look this up |
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| 14:09.31 | greycat | infodroid: if you don't like gdm, don't use it. I don't like it, and I don't use it. |
| 14:09.32 | runedude | Thanks |
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| 14:09.49 | greycat | gdm is designed to MAKE you run gnome. if you WANT to run gnome, then it's fine. |
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| 14:10.24 | Zvpun | infodruid: how much do you now about linux in general? |
| 14:10.33 | dhuv | i am using the debian unstable branch and I regularly do updates, today when I was trying to update the system I notice that apt was on the list but it complained that libgcc1 >=1:4.0 but 1:3.4.3-9 is to be installed |
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| 14:10.53 | Zvpun | infodroid: you could change XSession.d such that it starts the default login shell |
| 14:10.54 | bender-RW- | infodroid: pam_script or something |
| 14:10.54 | asg | dhuv: /msg dpkg bts, /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 14:11.06 | valdyn | infodroid: since greycat tried to confused me.. i tried and it works just fine. |
| 14:11.07 | infodroid | greycat: i do want a graphical login and don't like kdm as it is now |
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| 14:11.10 | bfk42 | hello |
| 14:11.11 | Zvpun | infodroid: then you could use ~/.profile and ~/.logout |
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| 14:11.15 | infodroid | Zvpun: enough |
| 14:11.20 | bfk42 | anyone know how to setup php with vpopmail support? |
| 14:11.21 | bender-RW- | infodroid: http://freshmeat.net/projects/pam_script/ |
| 14:11.21 | ricky_clarkson | dhuv, probably libgcc1 hasn't reached unstable yet. Try holding apt. |
| 14:11.28 | phanter | hi there |
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| 14:11.52 | infodroid | Zvpun: would those run when i bring up a terminal though? |
| 14:11.54 | Zvpun | infodroid: for bash it would be ~/.bash_profile resp. ~/.bash_logout |
| 14:12.01 | greycat | infodroid: and it never occurred to you to use the normal standard xdm that everyone's been using for 20 years? |
| 14:12.14 | Zvpun | infodroid: that is why I asked if you are an experienced user |
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| 14:12.26 | phanter | dump question for this channel,, but how can I register my name for #fedora ? |
| 14:12.27 | Zvpun | infodroid: you would have to change 2 lines in 2 different files |
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| 14:12.41 | stew | phanter: /msg nickserv help |
| 14:12.45 | dhuv | ricky_clarkson: i have upgraded everything besides that, so i guess i will wait longer, thanks |
| 14:12.59 | bfk42 | does anyone know how to setup up php with vpopmail libraries? |
| 14:13.09 | dhuv | asg: i am not sure if this is a bug or not but i will see if someoneelse has reported it |
| 14:13.09 | asg | bfk42: #php probably does |
| 14:13.10 | infodroid | greycat: i think it looks revolting. personal preferences, i suppose. |
| 14:13.10 | bfk42 | i've installed php already.. but i can not install vpopmail libraries |
| 14:13.13 | bfk42 | no |
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| 14:13.17 | bfk42 | they dont |
| 14:13.23 | infodroid | Zvpun: will play around with that |
| 14:13.24 | bfk42 | its a debian fact i think |
| 14:13.46 | valdyn | infodroid: i tried, .xsession works just fine _if_ you run the default session from gdm |
| 14:13.46 | infodroid | bender-RW: looked up pam-script, its quite cool and does the job. will have to play with it now... |
| 14:13.59 | Zvpun | infodroid: in /etc/Xsession you change #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash and in /etx/Xsession.d/99xfree86-common_start you change |
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| 14:14.10 | phanter | thannk you a lot. |
| 14:14.15 | Zvpun | the last exec to: exec -l $SHELL -c "$STARTUP" |
| 14:14.15 | asg | bfk42: then maybe php4-pear provides such support, but I don't know for sure. |
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| 14:14.30 | bfk42 | hmm |
| 14:14.45 | Zvpun | infodroid: this ensures that the user get's his or here shell at X login |
| 14:14.58 | phanter | some other dump question. Everybody is so keen on the HW detection f knoppix, but why isn't that detection in (for example) debian? |
| 14:14.58 | stew | bfk42: apt-cache search php vpopmail |
| 14:14.59 | Zvpun | infodroid: In my opinion X login is totally fucked up |
| 14:15.04 | stew | bfk42: maybe make that php4 |
| 14:15.27 | gilles | how can i set the utf8 encoding to an existing text file, is there a command for that ? |
| 14:15.55 | MobyTurbo | phanter: d-i, the new installer for sarge, has some but not all-encompassing hardware detection. |
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| 14:15.57 | Zvpun | phanter: I asked Klaus Knopper if he incoperates the Knoppix changes into debian. He said that would be cool if someone did it. |
| 14:16.05 | dhuv | i also have a question about su, i remember that you can edit /ets/suauth and configure what password a user must enter to become root, currently the file is not there and su asks for the user's password. I wanted to know if this can be changed. I tried adding a file with proper values but that does not change the way it works |
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| 14:16.17 | asg | stew: there's a php4-vpopmail in woody (contrib), dunno about sarge/sid |
| 14:16.22 | infodroid | thanks Zvpun, valdyn, greycat, valdyn |
| 14:16.26 | Zvpun | dhuv: do you know about sudo? |
| 14:16.29 | greycat | gilles: iconv or conv or something like that, maybe. |
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| 14:16.41 | phanter | So there is no legal issue to not do this... it would be a great idea... |
| 14:16.53 | bfk42 | hmm |
| 14:16.54 | Zvpun | phanter: why should there be a legal issue with open source? |
| 14:17.01 | valdyn | gilles: "recode" that text file |
| 14:17.04 | dhuv | Zvpun: yes but sometimes i want to do many things as root and would like to become root for a short time |
| 14:17.06 | greycat | there's legal issues with *everything*. |
| 14:17.08 | stew | phanter: the hardware detection in the newer versions of debian is very good |
| 14:17.08 | bfk42 | i've downloaded libvpopmail lbiraries |
| 14:17.14 | dhuv | rather than sudo every command |
| 14:17.22 | bfk42 | but i had lots of errors when i try to install the packages |
| 14:17.27 | greycat | dhuv: sudo bash |
| 14:17.31 | MobyTurbo | dhuv: you can do that with sudo too. "sudu -s" |
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| 14:17.48 | phanter | well, free is not always open source and I did not chech any copyright otices from knoppix (since I use Debian for my server I never needed to) |
| 14:18.01 | wasted | xkb broken? |
| 14:18.02 | gilles | valdyn: its content is well encoded already |
| 14:18.19 | valdyn | gilles: then what is the problem? |
| 14:18.35 | dhuv | greycat: thats a good way around it :) |
| 14:18.38 | Zvpun | phanter: but if knoppix uses Debian, than Knoppix has to respect Debians policies and not the other way around |
| 14:18.45 | wasted | my xkb wont set keymap. but if i set with "setxkbmap se" it works.. after X is started :( |
| 14:18.49 | pjv | what's a good program that benchmark the max fps my video card can do? |
| 14:18.53 | dhuv | MobyTurbo: sudo -s also asks for the user's password, not configurable to root's password |
| 14:18.59 | asg | dhuv: glxgears |
| 14:19.00 | stew | phanter: the way knoppix does hardware detection woulnd't work well at in debian. he's removed ever script from /etc/rcS.d and just has one big nasty script that tries to detect everything, thats not going to fly in debian |
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| 14:19.04 | asg | oops |
| 14:19.09 | asg | pjv: glxgears |
| 14:19.10 | gilles | valdyn: it's badly read with gedit, and the encoding is a mess when load it into a mysql database |
| 14:19.12 | dhuv | asg: whats that? |
| 14:19.18 | Zvpun | stew: and nasty is so true! |
| 14:19.26 | asg | dhuv: that should have gone to pjv, my apologies. |
| 14:19.33 | dhuv | asg: ok |
| 14:19.44 | pjv | asg: cheers |
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| 14:20.11 | phanter | I recently read something about XServer Xgl, anybody has any experience with it? Does it work and is there an apt-get for debian ()unofficial tapt-get of course |
| 14:20.12 | valdyn | gilles: you have to set mysql to read utf8, i dont know anything on how to do that |
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| 14:21.11 | valdyn | gilles: for gedit, you select the encoding when loading it |
| 14:21.17 | phanter | hmm did not know that stew |
| 14:21.21 | asg | bfk42: what debian version are you using? |
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| 14:21.30 | intx | how do I disable the 5% disk space reserved for uid 0? |
| 14:21.40 | valdyn | gilles: default is your current locale, is that not something.utf8 ? |
| 14:21.49 | valdyn | gilles: default is your current locale, is that not something.UTF-8 ? |
| 14:21.56 | asg | intx: tune2fs |
| 14:22.08 | mwilson | intx: If you're smart, you don't. |
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| 14:22.27 | zakame | intx: mke2fs -m 0 |
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| 14:22.50 | mwilson | zakame: You would tell him to destroy the existing filesystem because...? |
| 14:22.55 | greycat | mwilson: depends on the file system, and what's in it |
| 14:22.58 | sanso_ | zakame, :-) |
| 14:23.11 | mwilson | greycat: Of course it does. But do you think HE knows that? |
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| 14:23.49 | SlayerXP | ...because it's reiserfs and destroying it now will save time. |
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| 14:24.33 | valdyn | intx: man tune2fs if you're using ext2/3 |
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| 14:25.03 | Zvpun | how can I create a CD with long filenames for both Unix and Windows? When I select Rockridge and Joliet Extensions in K3b the Rock-Filenames get cropped. Only if I deselect Joliet that won't happen. |
| 14:25.20 | bfk42 | asg i am using sarge |
| 14:25.22 | intx | is tune2fs temporary? will the changes be lost on reboot? |
| 14:25.32 | asg | bfk42: /msg dpkg why is php4-vpopmail not in testing |
| 14:25.40 | stew | intx: its permanant |
| 14:25.45 | asg | bfk42: it will show you the reasons why. It's in sid apparently so should filter down to testing in time. |
| 14:25.48 | mwilson | Gee, if you actually read the man page, you'd know. |
| 14:25.56 | valdyn | Zvpun: which unix has problems reading joliet? |
| 14:25.57 | KonvIRC | Howto mount /tmp on linux box in my lan (on that pc I don't have samba) nfs? |
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| 14:26.12 | mwilson | Zvpun: Other than use an application besides the crap K3B? |
| 14:26.15 | [SemTeX] | lo |
| 14:26.41 | bfk42 | thank you |
| 14:26.42 | bfk42 | :> |
| 14:26.44 | [SemTeX] | is there a known problem with squid in sarge? (missing /usr/lib/squid/mime.conf) |
| 14:26.58 | stew | [SemTeX]: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:27.18 | MobyTurbo | Zvpun: the information on how to do so is in the mkisofs manual |
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| 14:28.00 | asg | noid2: screen |
| 14:28.03 | FieldySnuts | gee, any surprise i had Zvpun on my ignore list from yesterday or even earlier. |
| 14:28.06 | Zvpun | valdyn: I tried mount -o nojoliet,norock ; ls -l; and arbitrary permutations of no* |
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| 14:28.10 | MobyTurbo | noid2: screen |
| 14:28.16 | noid2 | thanks |
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| 14:28.27 | Zvpun | mwilson: I dont understand what you are saying |
| 14:28.32 | intx | stew, valdyn, thanks |
| 14:28.37 | Phated | noid2: twin, too. |
| 14:28.53 | Zvpun | MobyTurbo: I thought it is just -R -J but that is what k3b does, as far as I can tell from the debug output |
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| 14:29.17 | wasted | hey |
| 14:29.18 | noid2 | Phated: will look into to it thanks |
| 14:29.20 | valdyn | Zvpun: why not just burn with _just_ joliet extension? Linux reads that just fine |
| 14:29.22 | wasted | is xlibs broken? |
| 14:29.32 | wasted | fucking homo bitch gay xkb wont set right keymap on start of X |
| 14:29.32 | FieldySnuts | @vaugeness |
| 14:29.37 | FieldySnuts | erm.. |
| 14:29.37 | wasted | but works after set with setxkbmap |
| 14:29.41 | asg | wasted: check the bts |
| 14:29.42 | greycat | !tell wasted about gay |
| 14:29.45 | FieldySnuts | greycat: HEH |
| 14:29.53 | greycat | !test |
| 14:29.56 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 14:29.56 | dpkg | Yes, greycat, you're still online. |
| 14:30.00 | Zvpun | valdyn: because joliet filenames are to short, as far as I can tell |
| 14:30.02 | greycat | some lag... |
| 14:30.03 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird still has it |
| 14:30.04 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you using Windows? |
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| 14:30.07 | asg | greycat: once had a professor named bill gay, his login was bgay. |
| 14:30.09 | bfk42 | i didn't like the reason |
| 14:30.11 | bfk42 | hehe |
| 14:30.15 | greycat | asg: ouch. |
| 14:30.33 | asg | greycat: looked like Karl Marx though, had the Philosophy look down :) |
| 14:30.38 | Phated | asg: Heh. |
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| 14:30.51 | greycat | asg: if I had to grow up with that name, I'd probably look like Karl Marx too. |
| 14:30.52 | FieldySnuts | !seen chomsky |
| 14:30.52 | stew | asg: a fiend of my mother in law is named "Gay Bunch" |
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| 14:31.01 | asg | greycat: true |
| 14:31.04 | johny | !pureftpd |
| 14:31.04 | dpkg | well, pureftpd is A secure small feature full ftp server located at http://download.sourceforge.net/pureftpd/ |
| 14:31.07 | wasted | bleh nothing on bts |
| 14:31.14 | wasted | and this is a newly fresh installed |
| 14:31.15 | wasted | hehe |
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| 14:31.48 | asg | stew: I went to school with a girl named 'Cinnamon Applegate' |
| 14:31.54 | stew | oh man |
| 14:32.01 | Zvpun | johny: how could a ftp server be secure? |
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| 14:32.20 | scarynetworkguy | sftp is the *only* secure ftp. |
| 14:32.31 | asuffield | not quite. there's also kerberised ftp |
| 14:32.33 | davizinho` | e ae gatas |
| 14:32.38 | asuffield | you very rarely see that, but it does exist |
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| 14:32.46 | greycat | Zvpun: they mean secure as in "not full of buffer overruns", not secure as in "nobody can sniff your password that you just sent in the clear" |
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| 14:34.29 | Phated | asg: I once met a man called Tou Yang Yang. Roughly translated from Chinese would be "itchy head". |
| 14:34.35 | asg | hehe |
| 14:35.00 | Phated | (Don't you love tonal languages?) |
| 14:35.01 | asuffield | parents can be really cruel sometimes |
| 14:35.27 | asg | asuffield: my crackhead brother was named after Newton. They totally dropped the ball on that one. |
| 14:35.33 | codc | i try to make an accesspoint with hostap. now i have a problem with the configuration of the module hostap - how can i bind hostap on eth1 |
| 14:35.38 | becobaf | If I want http://192.168.0.12/index.php?p=personalise to show as http://192.168.0.12/personalise in the url bar of a browser is that done by php? or with mod_rewrite ? |
| 14:35.57 | greycat | it's done by using a POST method instead of a GET method on the form. |
| 14:36.02 | infodroid | bender-RW: just compiled pam-script, its excellent. weird thing, i noticed a /debian/ folder in there, have you heard of anyone packaging this? |
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| 14:36.32 | stew | becobaf: mod_rewite |
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| 14:36.59 | becobaf | stew, thanks, i'll dig in the docs then... |
| 14:37.01 | warthawg | i would just like to say, if any of you were planning on sending me a valentines day card, you've probably waited too long. |
| 14:37.05 | asg | hehe, gizoogle.com |
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| 14:37.11 | greycat | asuffield: you'll be please to know that my kids have nice, normal American English names. |
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| 14:37.25 | Phated | greycat: What? |
| 14:37.30 | greycat | Phated: Alexander and Ryan |
| 14:37.38 | Phated | greycat: Lovely. |
| 14:37.48 | asg | greycat: refreshing |
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| 14:38.05 | Phated | D'you call him Alexander, or shorten it? |
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| 14:39.04 | MrKrystal | how could i "debmirror" a debian mirror with lftp (single line) ? |
| 14:39.13 | greycat | Phated: normally "Alex" |
| 14:39.20 | Phated | greycat: Ah, cool. |
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| 14:42.14 | PerfDave | Alexander is a good name. |
| 14:42.24 | PerfDave | Although it's technically Greek, not English ;) |
| 14:42.46 | MobyTurbo | PerfDave: Macedonian. :-) |
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| 14:43.05 | warthawg | Alexander was gay |
| 14:43.17 | PerfDave | warthawg: Wasn't he bi? |
| 14:43.18 | bfk42 | Alaxander is a Macedonian name |
| 14:43.21 | asuffield | 'Alexander' makes me think of the big summon-critter from Final Fantasy, that casts a variation on Pearl |
| 14:43.31 | warthawg | PerfDave: you may be right |
| 14:43.42 | MobyTurbo | bfk42: GMTA |
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| 14:43.57 | PerfDave | Nothing wrong with being gay or bi anyway. Though gay might be a bit of a fucker for carrying on the family to future generations ;) |
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| 14:44.06 | R0bNyc | Hello |
| 14:44.09 | warthawg | amen |
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| 14:44.14 | warthawg | breeders have a big advantage |
| 14:44.17 | R0bNyc | Anyone heard of DEbToo ? |
| 14:44.22 | R0bNyc | or APt-BUild |
| 14:44.24 | bfk42 | Istanbul |
| 14:44.27 | PerfDave | R0bNyc: We saw, we laughted, it was funny. |
| 14:44.34 | stew | !apt-gentoo |
| 14:44.34 | dpkg | apt-gentoo is a way of simulating the waste of time that is gentoo on your Debian system. Experience the thrill of compiling your own apps from source without actually bothering to compile them! Download it from http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/apt-gentoo/ Announcement at: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040331.230648.aa390e61.html |
| 14:45.03 | R0bNyc | PerfDave, what you mean |
| 14:45.12 | PerfDave | R0bNyc: Debtoo is a piss-take, a joke site. |
| 14:45.18 | R0bNyc | oh |
| 14:45.21 | greycat | R0bNyc: just like you. |
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| 14:45.42 | R0bNyc | greycat, your funny |
| 14:45.44 | greycat | R0bNyc: hey, troll, why not join a few more channels? |
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| 14:45.59 | R0bNyc | greycat, why not let me live? |
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| 14:46.09 | Phated | Why would we want to do -that-? |
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| 14:46.15 | R0bNyc | go to www.fedora.com or something |
| 14:46.31 | R0bNyc | dont confuse me with yourself (troll) |
| 14:46.36 | greycat | The Moon is Waxing Crescent (10% of Full) |
| 14:46.42 | greycat | hmm, it's not *that*... |
| 14:46.45 | R0bNyc | Geek get a life |
| 14:46.47 | greycat | must be "because it's Friday" |
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| 14:46.50 | asuffield | oh, do sod off |
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| 14:47.18 | Flimzy | Hey R0bNyc, can you help me get my nvidia drivers working? |
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| 14:47.45 | bfk42 | is there a way to install php4-vpopmail? |
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| 14:48.07 | Phated | greycat: They get easier to influence nowadays. Smaller brains, easier to get sucked into the moon's gravity field. |
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| 14:48.32 | bfk42 | i dont care if it is unsecure or experimantal. i wanna make that vpopmail libraries installed to php |
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| 14:48.53 | BucSLEEP | quick question. I'm getting intermittent gcc errors while make bzImage process of my kernel could this be because I'm using DDR400 when the motherboard specs call for DDR266 memory? |
| 14:48.53 | warthawg | i have a serious newbie question: what is the best way to stay up to date with security patches? |
| 14:49.00 | greycat | warthawg: /msg dpkg security |
| 14:49.08 | warthawg | greycat: thanks |
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| 14:49.29 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: No. DDR400 should work fine on a board that supports DDR266 (unless you have a REALLLY cheap and REALLLY finicky board) |
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| 14:49.41 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: If your RAM was the problem, you'd almost certianly be having much more serious errors, too |
| 14:50.08 | BucSLEEP | Flimzy well i'm using a via epia m10000 motherboard with via 1ghz cpu on board |
| 14:50.09 | warthawg | greycat: that updates everything, right? i was wondering about just security updates |
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| 14:50.25 | asuffield | BucSLEEP: if the errors are in the same places, it's a software problem. if they're in different places each time, it's a hardware problem |
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| 14:50.27 | toresbe | BucSLEEP: Cool, I'm thinking of getting one of them |
| 14:50.33 | greycat | warthawg: woody doesn't *get* any other kind of updates. |
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| 14:50.41 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: The only time I've heard of a motherboard not accepting RAM that was "too good" for it, was on some older 100Mhz bus systems. |
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| 14:50.45 | toresbe | BucSLEEP: how's the Linux support for those? |
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| 14:51.01 | BucSLEEP | Flimzy i'm running make bzImage now and i've noticed i only have 18mb ram free out of the 512mb and make bzImage is the only thing i'm really running |
| 14:51.06 | Flimzy | toresbe: Apparantly fine, unless you want to compile a kernel :P |
| 14:51.15 | toresbe | Flimzy: heh ;) |
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| 14:51.24 | toresbe | I want a media box |
| 14:51.36 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: ignore the 'free' value |
| 14:51.56 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: free - buffers - cached is a more accurate picture of how much RAM you have available |
| 14:51.58 | stew | BucSLEEP: /msg dpkg free memory |
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| 14:52.17 | MrP | Do you have to compile java applets any different than code that was designed to run in the console? |
| 14:52.19 | BucSLEEP | toresbe it installed flawlessly i just need to figure out why gcc keeps seg. faulting |
| 14:52.24 | toresbe | BucSLEEP: Cool |
| 14:52.26 | Wdup | morning |
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| 14:52.45 | valdyn_ | MrP: no |
| 14:52.45 | BucSLEEP | Flimzy i tried to compile another application with ./compile && make and it seg. faulted as well |
| 14:52.47 | maxmc99 | hi gekubo |
| 14:52.52 | Zvpun | how dos a IRC bot work? Where is the source for dpkg? |
| 14:53.02 | stew | Zvpun: apt-get source blootbot |
| 14:53.12 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun, google for pircbot |
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| 14:53.35 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: Seg faults during a compile can be the result of memery errors or CPU errors. Some things to try: Downclock your CPU. Remove one RAM stick at a time, to see if one is bad. Disable any L2 cache on the motherboard, etc. |
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| 14:53.58 | BucSLEEP | Flimzy i only have 1 512mb stick |
| 14:54.01 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: You might rum memtest86 and see if your RAM checks out okay. |
| 14:54.02 | toresbe | BucSLEEP: I want to make a media box - Does the cardbus work? TV out? |
| 14:54.05 | MrP | This makes no sense. I copied and pasted one of the most basic java applets ever, compiled it, tossed the applet html on the page, and the box shows up with a red X in the top corner |
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| 14:54.21 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: Then you obviously can't remove your stick :) Unless you have another spare (of any size) lying around somewhere. |
| 14:54.30 | BucSLEEP | toresbe haven't tried it yet. i too am going to make a media box with this board running mythTV |
| 14:54.48 | BucSLEEP | Flimzy i have another 512 ddr400 around |
| 14:54.51 | Flimzy | MrP: Java development is probably way beyond the scope of this channel |
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| 14:55.03 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: Try compiling with that stick and see what happens. |
| 14:55.10 | BucSLEEP | k |
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| 14:55.14 | carbon60 | I feel like a twit: I've been reading the New Maintainer's Guide but I can't figure out how to make an _all.deb instead of i386.deb. Is there another doc? |
| 14:55.14 | BucSLEEP | let me run memtest86 first |
| 14:55.15 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: If the results are the same, then your RAM is __probably__ just fine |
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| 14:55.19 | mejo | hello |
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| 14:55.27 | Phated | Flimzy: Or both sticks are bad. |
| 14:55.30 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: It would be quicker to change RAM sticks |
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| 14:55.48 | asuffield | or it's not the memory, but some other hardware problem entirely |
| 14:55.48 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: memtest86 can run for hours, _and_ it's not 100% accurate |
| 14:55.49 | mejo | does anybody run phpmyadmin with apache2-mpm-worker libapache2-mod-php4? |
| 14:55.56 | mejo | it doesn't work here for me. |
| 14:56.08 | BucSLEEP | Flimzy k. cause i just did apt-get install memtest86 it installed but i can't run the binary says no such file |
| 14:56.15 | Flimzy | Phated: The odds of two mem sticks being bad in such a way that the exact same error occurs only under the same circumstances is possible, but unlikely |
| 14:56.18 | mejo | with apache phpmyadmin worked well, so is this normal? |
| 14:56.24 | Phated | Flimzy: True enough. |
| 14:56.27 | Flimzy | BucSLEEP: You have to put it on a floppy and boot from it |
| 14:56.41 | mejo | i didn't find any bugs for phpmyadmin, libapache2-mod-php4 etc. |
| 14:56.43 | BucSLEEP | Flimzy ahh, ok i can see why it can take hours now |
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| 14:56.47 | asuffield | however, the odds of the problem being with the motherboard, and being unaffected by changing the memory, are fairly high |
| 14:56.49 | Zvpun | who is running the dpkg bot? |
| 14:56.57 | caphuso | Zvpun: dondelelcaro |
| 14:56.58 | asg | Zvpun: /msg <bot> who owns you |
| 14:56.59 | fez | Hello people, isn't that package with everything needed to build stuff called build-essentials, or am I losing my memory? |
| 14:56.59 | greycat | !who owns you |
| 14:56.59 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 14:57.10 | asg | fez: build-essential |
| 14:57.14 | greycat | fez: no 's' on the end |
| 14:57.16 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 14:57.18 | stew | caphuso: Architecture: all in the control file |
| 14:57.20 | fez | hah damn |
| 14:57.22 | stew | carbon60: ^^^ |
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| 14:57.30 | carbon60 | stew: Thanks! |
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| 14:57.46 | stew | carbon60: this type of question is more suited to #debian-mentors |
| 14:58.22 | MattF | I am missing the file "Intrinsic.h" any idea where I could find it? |
| 14:58.35 | greycat | MattF: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:58.49 | zakame` | 5 |
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| 14:59.22 | Wdup | where can i find open proxies |
| 14:59.37 | stew | Wdup: why? |
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| 14:59.49 | Wdup | need it |
| 14:59.55 | Wdup | do you know where |
| 14:59.57 | nevyn | Wdup: ask an op. |
| 15:00.12 | Wdup | who are |
| 15:00.18 | Wdup | ops |
| 15:00.26 | nevyn | like dondelelcaro or bob2 :) |
| 15:00.26 | stew | !wayttd Wdup |
| 15:00.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Wdup? |
| 15:00.46 | Wdup | well |
| 15:00.50 | Wdup | just need it mate |
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| 15:00.54 | Zvpun | MattF: apt-file search foo |
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| 15:00.59 | Wdup | dondelelcaro |
| 15:01.02 | *** mode/#Debian [+q *!*@dslam24-116-58-81.adsl.versatel.nl] by asuffield |
| 15:01.06 | stew | Wdup: stop that |
| 15:01.06 | asg | Wdup: knock it off |
| 15:01.07 | asuffield | I just needed to do it |
| 15:01.11 | nevyn | don't repeat. |
| 15:01.13 | Phated | Go asuffield. |
| 15:01.17 | valdyn_ | !tell wdup about repeat |
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| 15:01.21 | Ronin` | must be a full moon again all the loonies are on irc |
| 15:01.30 | Phated | Could have let him do it once more and get kicked. :) |
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| 15:01.54 | nevyn | Phated: good point. that's after all what my advice was intended to achieve.. |
| 15:01.56 | MattF | yeah, I 'm just getting apt-file now |
| 15:01.58 | Phated | Don't wanna know. |
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| 15:02.09 | scarynetworkguy | *shudder* |
| 15:02.10 | asuffield | asg: everybody thinks you're a prat |
| 15:02.10 | Phated | nevyn: Heh. |
| 15:02.14 | scarynetworkguy | Gotta be a bad thing. |
| 15:02.23 | asg | asuffield: I'm sure everyone things that anyway |
| 15:02.25 | directhex|work | dondelelcaro's more of a 'say it 3 times at a mirror, be hanted by scary man with claws' type |
| 15:02.26 | asg | s/things/thinks/ |
| 15:02.30 | directhex|work | *haunted |
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| 15:02.40 | superlinux | hi all |
| 15:02.48 | superlinux | i am using debian sarge.. |
| 15:02.52 | Phated | directhex|work: Your monitor is a mirror! |
| 15:03.10 | nevyn | superlinux: happy for you. |
| 15:03.13 | asg | Wdup: don't /msg me |
| 15:03.22 | stew | !no CMD: wayttd (.*?) is ($1): <reply> $1: What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 15:03.23 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 15:03.25 | zeffy | how do I change the monitor settings under KDE? |
| 15:03.45 | superlinux | my system has acpi and my config is apm and my system does not auto-poweroff |
| 15:04.02 | superlinux | so i need it poweroff |
| 15:04.11 | nevyn | superlinux: ummm |
| 15:04.16 | Phated | Pull the plug. |
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| 15:04.19 | nevyn | superlinux: that would appear to be obvious |
| 15:04.20 | quitte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.40 | nevyn | superlinux: you've configured apm on a system that has acpi and it's not powering off.. well.. DUH |
| 15:04.45 | superlinux | the modules.conf has it wanna see my file? |
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| 15:04.50 | quitte | no |
| 15:04.53 | valdyn_ | superlinux: what does not make it poweroff? |
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| 15:05.02 | quitte | superlinux does lsmod show apm? |
| 15:05.05 | jethro | how does one set the ! or % or @ command shortcut in blootbot? in the blootbot.config? or shall I create a special factoid for that? |
| 15:05.08 | nevyn | superlinux: is this a very new system? |
| 15:05.10 | Phated | <sigh> |
| 15:05.11 | dw | greetings. how would i go about replacing mail-transport-agent provided by exim4-daemon-heavy with a dummy mail-transport-agent that i've just created with equivs? i'd like apt's removal-then-install functionality, but using dpkg it seems |
| 15:05.32 | asg | dw: create a deb out of the equivs control file and dpkg -i it |
| 15:05.38 | superlinux | on knoppix i was able to poweroff |
| 15:05.41 | asg | dw: exim4 will be removed automatically |
| 15:05.52 | valdyn_ | superlinux: poweroff BY DOING WHAT? |
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| 15:06.00 | dw | asg: i tried that, but it gives me: exim4-daemon-heavy conflicts with mail-transport-agent |
| 15:06.22 | nevyn | superlinux: how old is the hardware? |
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| 15:06.29 | Phated | dw: Try to apt-get a new mta? |
| 15:06.30 | superlinux | nothing normal commands.. poweroff commend or the K-menu |
| 15:06.40 | scarynetworkguy | Postfix rules. |
| 15:06.42 | superlinux | it's very new |
| 15:06.47 | dw | --force-conflicts perhaps? then remove exim4-daemon-heavy? |
| 15:06.52 | nevyn | superlinux: and did you configure ACPI? |
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| 15:07.04 | BucWheat | Flimzy make bzImage ran to completion :) what is the next step in compiling/building my kernel ? |
| 15:07.04 | BucWheat | heh |
| 15:07.06 | superlinux | how to do that? |
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| 15:07.11 | stein | I sent a bug to submit@bugs.debian.org yesterday and had no response until now. IS there anything wrong with the system ? |
| 15:07.11 | dw | woo, that worked. :) |
| 15:07.13 | nevyn | superlinux: many very new systems don't have APM at all anymore |
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| 15:07.20 | rituraj | hi room |
| 15:07.30 | nevyn | superlinux: what's the kernel say? |
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| 15:07.35 | Phated | dw: AFAIK, if you install another mta, your existing one will be removed. |
| 15:07.38 | nevyn | superlinux: dmesg|grep acpi |
| 15:07.47 | rituraj | i would like to contribute to the debian..i am not a developer yet and would like to maintain some packages |
| 15:07.53 | dw | Phated: yes, but then i can't remove that mta, because a lot of the base system depends on mail-transport-agent. :) |
| 15:07.56 | superlinux | shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _CRS fail=0x6 |
| 15:07.57 | superlinux | shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _CRS fail=0x6 |
| 15:07.57 | superlinux | pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _CRS fail=0x6 |
| 15:07.57 | superlinux | pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _CRS fail=0x6 |
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| 15:07.57 | asg | rituraj: www.debian.org/devel (read) |
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| 15:08.03 | J_P | people, anyone here try install debian in Compact flash ? |
| 15:08.04 | rituraj | i have taken a look at orphaned package list |
| 15:08.05 | BucWheat | i'm trying to follow this howto https://cvs.comedi.org/pipermail/comedi/2005-January/006694.html |
| 15:08.09 | dw | --force-conflicts worked :) |
| 15:08.13 | scarynetworkguy | dw: Right. Because a *nix box without a mta is borken. |
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| 15:08.19 | superlinux | pardon me |
| 15:08.22 | Phated | dw: Don't see why you wouldn't want at least one MTA, anyway. |
| 15:08.30 | rituraj | what do i do then...where do i register for being a maintainer and how do i adopt a package |
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| 15:08.38 | thomas_adam | Or even a nullmailer... |
| 15:08.39 | Phated | Well, s/at least one/an/ |
| 15:08.40 | dw | scarynetworkguy: did you read my question? i was asking how to replace the mta :) |
| 15:08.42 | stew | rituraj: nm.debian.org |
| 15:08.47 | superlinux | nevyn, soo |
| 15:08.47 | asg | rituraj: read the developer's reference, policy guides, etc. All are explained. |
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| 15:08.57 | rituraj | thanks asg and stew |
| 15:09.01 | asg | rituraj: you're welcome |
| 15:09.03 | dw | Phated: i do want an mta, i just dont want a packaged one, as we have our own framework for updates |
| 15:09.03 | nevyn | superlinux: what's that say put it in your favorite pastebin. |
| 15:09.03 | scarynetworkguy | dw: By apt-get installing whatever the new one you want is. You have been told this. Many times. |
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| 15:09.05 | zeffy | how do I change monitor settings? |
| 15:09.15 | Phated | dw: Oh, I see. |
| 15:09.23 | scorphus | I have a notebook and wish you could help me to configure the tap-to-click on X |
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| 15:09.33 | scarynetworkguy | dw: Package your own and and install it. Not hard. |
| 15:09.34 | dw | scarynetworkguy: based on the assumption that debian even provides my mta, and on the assumption that i trust dpkg to manage it. neither applies |
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| 15:09.40 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx zeffy |
| 15:09.41 | dpkg | zeffy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 15:09.43 | thomas_adam | dw: Technically qmail is not a package, so use that. :P |
| 15:09.51 | dw | heh :) |
| 15:09.53 | nevyn | zeffy: go to controlcentre -> peripherals -> display. this will allow you to change gamma and such if you want to change resolution you need to reconfigure X with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:09.57 | dw | i've got a dummy mail-transport-agent installed now |
| 15:09.57 | scarynetworkguy | dw: So package your own. It's fun and easy. |
| 15:10.07 | superlinux | shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _CRS fail=0x6 shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _CRS fail=0x6 |
| 15:10.07 | superlinux | pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _CRS fail=0x6 pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _CRS fail=0x6 |
| 15:10.09 | dw | scarynetworkguy: it's not fun. i'd rather use rpm than dpkg :/ |
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| 15:10.14 | thomas_adam | dw: You'll need that, as all MTAs provide that. |
| 15:10.38 | valdyn_ | superlinux: uname -r - what does it say? |
| 15:10.41 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam, good day, sir. 15 months on, how's life? |
| 15:10.50 | superlinux | 2.4.27-1-686 |
| 15:10.54 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Shit. Fifteen months on, how's yours? |
| 15:11.00 | adjacent | thats a good point. i run debian most of the time, but my mail servers have always been slack because i need to custom build my MTA. is there a way to do all this in debian without breaking the package manager? |
| 15:11.05 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam, I elbowed a woman in the forehead. |
| 15:11.06 | valdyn_ | superlinux: and which kernel did you knoppix use? |
| 15:11.12 | superlinux | the same |
| 15:11.13 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Line dancing? |
| 15:11.18 | ricky_clarkson | Salsa. |
| 15:11.22 | adjacent | i use qmail/courier/procmail |
| 15:11.24 | thomas_adam | Same difference. |
| 15:11.24 | thomas_adam | :P |
| 15:11.27 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam, I now share a bed with her. |
| 15:11.32 | thomas_adam | Hehehehe. |
| 15:11.37 | valdyn_ | superlinux: you got to be shitting me, thats hardly possible |
| 15:11.40 | asuffield | so you got her concussed and then got laid |
| 15:11.42 | asuffield | I guess that works |
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| 15:11.57 | rubixXx | asuffield, whens the last time you got booty |
| 15:11.58 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield, took a week from the elbow to the lay. |
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| 15:12.20 | stew | ricky_clarkson: if they say no, give them sharp blows to the head until they say yes? |
| 15:12.22 | Phated | asuffield: When that week goes down to two hours, it becomes date rape. |
| 15:12.27 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, i've heard of fisting, but elbowing? O_o |
| 15:12.31 | ricky_clarkson | stew, a stonking idea. |
| 15:12.37 | Phated | directhex|work: In the -head-? |
| 15:12.46 | scarynetworkguy | Ouchies. |
| 15:12.57 | dw | thanks people |
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| 15:13.05 | rubixXx | Phated, lol, na, i've met chicks before that just wanna fuck you right whent hey meet you |
| 15:13.32 | Phated | rubixXx: God, please wear a condom, it would be such a pity if you accidentally reproduced. |
| 15:13.36 | ricky_clarkson | rubixXx, me too. A Japanese girl liked my facial hair. |
| 15:13.50 | ricky_clarkson | rubixXx, hundreds of millions of sperm, and you won? |
| 15:13.50 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: That was bum fluff... |
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| 15:13.55 | jair_11 | hello everubody |
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| 15:14.25 | rubixXx | lol |
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| 15:14.26 | jair_11 | I was trying to install debian the version woody like 1 year ago, and I could not success? |
| 15:14.29 | jair_11 | ! |
| 15:14.33 | rubixXx | when your drunk at a party, pussy is pussy |
| 15:14.39 | MattF | y00 leik inglesh?! |
| 15:14.40 | directhex|work | jair_11, how old was the hardware? |
| 15:14.41 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11, that's useful. |
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| 15:14.49 | rubixXx | chicks know wether or not you can get any from the day they meet you |
| 15:14.49 | Phated | A... -year- ago? |
| 15:14.55 | Phated | What is this, the ultimate in lag? |
| 15:15.02 | jair_11 | now I download the first rc4 now and I want to install it on my lap top. |
| 15:15.03 | thomas_adam | jair_11: Use Sarge. |
| 15:15.06 | greycat | rubixXx: do you have anything Debian related to discuss? |
| 15:15.12 | asuffield | he probably spent that long trying to figure out how to spell '#debian' |
| 15:15.17 | MattF | IT's INSTALL!?>! |
| 15:15.29 | thomas_adam | MattF: Dvorak keybaord layout? |
| 15:15.30 | directhex|work | jair_11, there is no rc4. there is debian 3.0 r4, which is 3.0 with security updates, or 3.1 rc2 |
| 15:15.31 | jair_11 | ricky_clarkson, yes I was kind of trying but to many questions and hassele |
| 15:15.42 | jair_11 | directhex|work, now I really want to try again |
| 15:15.42 | MattF | thomas_adam, wtf? |
| 15:15.49 | rubixXx | greycat, well, adding my fat32 partition to /etc/fstab :-P |
| 15:15.51 | directhex|work | jair_11, desktop machine? |
| 15:15.57 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: It's the reply that ultimately determines it. :P |
| 15:15.59 | Phated | With the equally rhetorical answer of pong. |
| 15:15.59 | scorphus | do you know if touchpad's tap-to-click work on X? |
| 15:16.09 | stew | ricky_clarkson: thats not a question |
| 15:16.12 | directhex|work | scorphus, with the synaptics touchpad driver |
| 15:16.13 | asuffield | Phated: that's not rhetorical |
| 15:16.15 | thomas_adam | scorphus: synaptics mouse? |
| 15:16.16 | stew | scorphus: yeah you need to synaptics driver |
| 15:16.16 | jair_11 | thomas_adam, I donwload this: debian 30r4 |
| 15:16.24 | stew | !synaptics |
| 15:16.24 | dpkg | somebody said synaptics was http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download |
| 15:16.26 | thomas_adam | jair_11: You mistake me for one who cares. |
| 15:16.27 | Phated | asuffield: Yes, I just realised that. Ah well. |
| 15:16.32 | stew | that should be updated |
| 15:16.33 | scorphus | thanks |
| 15:16.34 | directhex|work | jair_11, desktop machine? |
| 15:16.43 | jair_11 | directhex|work, I want to install it in a IBM r51 brand new |
| 15:16.44 | _7eicher | hallo, i have compiled a new kernel in debian manner using make-kpkg, have install the kernel-image(2.6.10-xxx). when i boot from that new kernel he cant mount root fs... i looked around and mentioned that there is no initrd, thats normal? |
| 15:16.55 | greycat | !tell jair_11 about woody hardware support |
| 15:16.55 | directhex|work | !tell jair_11 about woody hardware support |
| 15:17.01 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:17.03 | directhex|work | !tell jair_11 abour d-i jair_11 |
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| 15:17.07 | BucWheat | what is the proper way to set static ip address in debian for eth0 ? |
| 15:17.08 | thomas_adam | _7eicher: No, it means you don't know how to compile your kernel. |
| 15:17.17 | greycat | BucWheat: man interfaces (or /msg dpkg man interfaces) |
| 15:17.17 | rubixXx | well i get something debian related, and get no answers, imagine that :-) |
| 15:17.17 | stew | !synaptics is also for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 15:17.18 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 15:17.21 | directhex|work | !tell jair_11 about woody desktop |
| 15:17.24 | greycat | BucWheat: dpkg's is more succinct. |
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| 15:17.34 | thomas_adam | _7eicher: If you're doing it yourself you DO NOT NEED AN INITRD. This means you needs to COMPILE IN, statically support for your FS, IDE controller, etc... |
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| 15:17.35 | stew | rubixXx: you didn't ask a question |
| 15:17.39 | valdyn_ | _7eicher: yes, thats fine, but you forget to compile your filesystem driver and/or your disk interface driver in statically |
| 15:17.43 | rubixXx | yea i did |
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| 15:17.49 | _7eicher | thomas_adam: yes! but whats the problem now? |
| 15:17.49 | ricky_clarkson | BucWheat, ifconfig eth0 up xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.xxx.xxx |
| 15:17.52 | BucWheat | greycat thanks |
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| 15:18.00 | ricky_clarkson | That'll work, but not be permanent. |
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| 15:18.04 | rubixXx | quote "greycat, well, adding my fat32 partition to /etc/fstab :-P" |
| 15:18.08 | stew | thats not a question |
| 15:18.14 | Phated | How is that a question? |
| 15:18.18 | rubixXx | close enough |
| 15:18.19 | jp | Hi everybody. Would someone know enriched-mode in Emacs? |
| 15:18.21 | greycat | rubixXx: no, you made a statement. A setence fragment, actually, but definitely *not* an interrogative sentence. |
| 15:18.28 | thomas_adam | jp: #emacs |
| 15:18.29 | rubixXx | hahahhahahahhahaha |
| 15:18.32 | Phated | And really, editing /etc/fstab...? |
| 15:18.32 | rubixXx | this is so funny |
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| 15:18.43 | greycat | rubixXx: not for much longer if you keep it up. |
| 15:18.43 | Phated | 's not hard. |
| 15:18.43 | stew | rubixXx: really, if you have a quesiton ask it |
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| 15:18.50 | scarynetworkguy | Not hard at all |
| 15:18.52 | jair_11 | guys in the web site I download a cd 1 that say debian 3.0r4 I don't know if is sarge or woody? |
| 15:18.54 | ricky_clarkson | rubixXx, please, laugh to yourself. |
| 15:18.57 | rubixXx | flaming hypocritical little kids...and for some reason i like it here (excluding a few) |
| 15:18.58 | greycat | jair_11: it's woody. |
| 15:18.59 | jair_11 | how can I know? |
| 15:19.02 | directhex|work | jair_11, 3.0 is woody. |
| 15:19.03 | jair_11 | okkk |
| 15:19.04 | greycat | jair_11: 3.0 is woody. 3.1 is sarge. |
| 15:19.05 | thomas_adam | jair_11: You have trouble reading? /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:19.06 | rubixXx | stew, i can google the answer, but thank you for offering to help |
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| 15:19.06 | MattF | STEAM R WORKING! |
| 15:19.12 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 15:19.12 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
| 15:19.15 | jair_11 | hahahah |
| 15:19.16 | jair_11 | ok |
| 15:19.18 | Phated | rubixXx: Simple answer. /dev/fat32part /mnt/pnt vfat rw,users,noauto 0 0. |
| 15:19.18 | greycat | rubixXx: the answer TO WHAT? You did not ask anything! |
| 15:19.21 | jair_11 | sorry guys |
| 15:19.23 | directhex|work | MattF, and windows-based drm platforms are debian related how? |
| 15:19.28 | jair_11 | so then it is better sarge? |
| 15:19.33 | thomas_adam | !better |
| 15:19.33 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 15:19.35 | MattF | it's running in debian |
| 15:19.36 | rubixXx | Phated, thank you |
| 15:19.40 | jp | I have a few questions about using this mode. |
| 15:19.43 | MattF | that's the only relationship :/ |
| 15:19.44 | jair_11 | please a ftp or site where I can donwload the sarge then? |
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| 15:19.47 | vile_maxim | Having trouble with exim+amavis+spamassassin it seems the quartenteen all email as spam, even if I have quartenteen off for spam. Though I have to admin the logs are hard to read and help from the the websites are limited. |
| 15:19.48 | thomas_adam | jp: Again, #emacs |
| 15:19.48 | grigora | hi, I have a directory with a LOT of files in it, when I do "ls | wc -l" I get a "ls: memory exhausted" error, anyone knows a way around this? |
| 15:19.51 | jair_11 | I have a pretty fast internet |
| 15:19.52 | greycat | !d-i jair_11 |
| 15:19.52 | dpkg | jair_11, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:19.55 | directhex|work | !d-i jair_11 |
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| 15:20.01 | directhex|work | jair_11, you've been told five times now |
| 15:20.02 | jp | sorry, I dign't understand. Thanks |
| 15:20.12 | Noid | i need a program called aclocal, it is located in automake, but there are several versions, how do i know which one i need? |
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| 15:20.24 | greycat | grigora: uh... add more paging/swap space? |
| 15:20.24 | jair_11 | directhex|work, what is "!d-i? |
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| 15:20.29 | greycat | jair_11: READ IT! |
| 15:20.32 | stew | Noid: what are you trying to compile? |
| 15:20.33 | jair_11 | directhex|work, you okk |
| 15:20.38 | jetscreamer | jair_11, go to the link and read |
| 15:20.42 | rubixXx | not sure which part is my fat32 1 |
| 15:20.45 | Noid | stew: eagle usb adsl modem drivers |
| 15:20.46 | thomas_adam | grigora: possibly: ls | xargs wc -l |
| 15:20.48 | greycat | rubixXx: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 15:20.56 | BucWheat | i just performed make install to install my kernel and rebooted my box and it doesn't appear in grub menu why is this ? |
| 15:20.57 | jair_11 | ok |
| 15:20.58 | Phated | rubixXx: The one with vfat under "type". |
| 15:21.01 | jair_11 | guy thank you |
| 15:21.01 | jetscreamer | jair_11, i already think you may be a troll, and i just joined :) |
| 15:21.14 | greycat | jetscreamer: rubixXx definitely is. jair_11 may not be. |
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| 15:21.21 | valdyn_ | BucWheat: because make install does not even try to do that |
| 15:21.21 | stew | Noid: probably any would work, just try one |
| 15:21.26 | jair_11 | hahahah |
| 15:21.44 | Noid | stew: thanks |
| 15:21.54 | rubixXx | trolls are cool |
| 15:21.59 | rubixXx | but i'm a juggalo |
| 15:22.02 | jair_11 | I am not american not very good english sorry guys, but I think that for Linux language does not matter ;) |
| 15:22.04 | greycat | you know what else is cool? |
| 15:22.06 | jetscreamer | vfat in linux |
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| 15:22.13 | BucWheat | valdyn_ hrm. it said it updated grub i thought. well let me do it manually |
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| 15:22.18 | thomas_adam | Juggalo? Circus? |
| 15:22.25 | rubixXx | wicked |
| 15:22.26 | jetscreamer | jigalo |
| 15:22.27 | Phated | You do -not- need to be american to speak English properly. |
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| 15:22.31 | BucWheat | valdyn_ was i suppose to do make modules && make modules install with 2.6.x ? |
| 15:22.33 | stego | What's a good command line program to play .oggs? I need to use an external player in KDE. |
| 15:22.33 | Phated | gigolo, methinks. |
| 15:22.33 | greycat | !dict gigolo |
| 15:22.34 | rubixXx | no juggalo, not jigalo |
| 15:22.35 | greycat | JESUS. |
| 15:22.35 | grigora | thomas_adam: it's ls that's running out of memory, not wc |
| 15:22.36 | dpkg | Dictionary 'gigolo' a man who has sex with and is supported by a woman |
| 15:22.37 | PerfDave | BucWheat: No |
| 15:22.38 | directhex|work | thomas_adam, fans of the 'insane clown posse' "musical" group |
| 15:22.43 | jetscreamer | yeah gigalo |
| 15:22.45 | PerfDave | BucWheat: make-kpkg |
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| 15:22.52 | asuffield | being american is probably a hindrance to speaking english properly |
| 15:22.53 | PerfDave | stego: ogg123 |
| 15:22.55 | rubixXx | do you guys ever get sick of flaming like little kids? |
| 15:22.56 | grigora | greycat: thanks, I guess I am going to have to do that |
| 15:22.59 | jetscreamer | sorry my brother is the gigalo i don't know how (or how to spell it) |
| 15:23.01 | stego | PerfDave, thanks. |
| 15:23.02 | asuffield | americans are pretty thick |
| 15:23.08 | Phated | rubixXx: You're free to leave, really. |
| 15:23.09 | directhex|work | !juggalo is http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=476 |
| 15:23.09 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 15:23.10 | greycat | Phated: let's run away together and form our own country where citizenship requires the ability to spell. |
| 15:23.14 | Essobi | Can I build a woody R4 iso with a 2.6 kernel using Jigdo? I got an IBM server with a raid that's only supported in 2.6. |
| 15:23.15 | quitte | rubixXx got a painted face? |
| 15:23.17 | rubixXx | Phated, then you would win, and i'm not a looser |
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| 15:23.25 | r3tex | is there an apt-get for the mplayer plugin that lets me see quicktime in my browser for example? |
| 15:23.29 | valdyn_ | BucWheat: /usr/src/linux/Documention or do it the debian way and /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:23.32 | directhex|work | Essobi, not easily. look into bunk 2.6 |
| 15:23.34 | rubixXx | quitte, na, i don't paint my face every day so i don't paint it ever, that would be fake |
| 15:23.39 | directhex|work | !tell r3tex about marillat |
| 15:23.39 | evangineer | hi guys, Leeds, talking about pdfs I've been trying to programmatically fill in a pdf form using pdftk. The main hitch is that an owner password has been set, stopping me from querying the form fields that need to be populated. any ideas? |
| 15:23.40 | BucWheat | PerfDave i'm trying to follow this doc: https://cvs.comedi.org/pipermail/comedi/2005-January/006694.html to get comedi to work so i can't do kpkg just yet |
| 15:23.42 | Essobi | directhex|work bunk what what? |
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| 15:23.49 | Phated | greycat: Yes, please. |
| 15:23.52 | quitte | rubixXx: heh |
| 15:24.00 | Phated | rubixXx: <snickers> |
| 15:24.06 | greycat | Essobi: you can't *run* 2.6 in woody. /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 15:24.09 | jetscreamer | !tell Essobi about bunk 2.6 |
| 15:24.10 | Essobi | What's bunk? |
| 15:24.12 | Phated | Gosh, the irony. |
| 15:24.13 | vile_maxim | r3tex, I forget the apt source, but check apt-get.org |
| 15:24.14 | Essobi | Oh. |
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| 15:24.23 | PerfDave | BucWheat: I don't know what comedi is, but you use make-kpkg to compile kernels in Debian. |
| 15:24.24 | directhex|work | Essobi, woody can not & does not support modular 2.6 kernels. you need assorted backported packages to try, /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 15:24.25 | asuffield | ...okay, so greycat and Phated are eloping. that's somewhat off the wall |
| 15:24.29 | Essobi | Ahh hell with it |
| 15:24.33 | Phated | asuffield: Pft. :) |
| 15:24.33 | Essobi | I'll just load sarge |
| 15:24.36 | jetscreamer | try make-kpkg --targets |
| 15:24.37 | greycat | asuffield: I didn't say elope. |
| 15:24.38 | stego | PerfDave, if it has no installation candidate, how do I install it? |
| 15:24.46 | Phated | asuffield: Join us! :) |
| 15:24.49 | PerfDave | stego: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:25.06 | directhex|work | stego, kernel-package package. |
| 15:25.06 | BucWheat | PerfDave did you look at the doc i'm following ? |
| 15:25.11 | jair_11 | now guys, I remmeber that debian it is an huge OS, with a lot of applications, it is possible for me boot and install a very light part of debian on the laptop ans also X, kde, then later add the applications I need using apt-get? |
| 15:25.15 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Yes, and it says to use make-kpkg |
| 15:25.16 | Essobi | Okay, welp thanks for the info guys. |
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| 15:25.24 | Phated | jair_11: Yes. |
| 15:25.25 | PerfDave | jair_11: Yes |
| 15:25.25 | jetscreamer | yes jair_11 |
| 15:25.39 | daft | Im looking for a new desktop pc and I wonderd if Debian runs on the Athlon 64 64 bit mode? |
| 15:25.43 | rubixXx | jair_11, get the unbuntu spinoff, its easy to install, and only 1 cd |
| 15:25.44 | jair_11 | it is a way I can just download an small cd and boot from it, then later use the internet to download the applications. |
| 15:25.45 | jetscreamer | jair_11, apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm |
| 15:25.48 | BucWheat | PerfDave yea well when i do debian/rules i get an error saying no --linuxdir this step is crucial to comedi working |
| 15:25.51 | stew | daft: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 15:25.54 | rubixXx | daft, yes it has amd 64 support |
| 15:25.55 | jetscreamer | jair_11, what do you think d-i is |
| 15:25.58 | Shadur | ~tell jair_11 about d-i |
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| 15:26.44 | jetscreamer | jair_11, you would want the netinst cd image, not the business card if you wanted base packages on the cd. |
| 15:26.50 | directhex|work | daft, there's a (currently unofficial) Unstable debian for amd64, runnign it right now |
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| 15:27.42 | jetscreamer | jair_11, go here (like you've been botted to do) http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:27.52 | shingoki | Anyone know of a quick easy way to install wacom tablet on sarge? |
| 15:28.01 | asuffield | plug it in |
| 15:28.02 | Phated | jetscreamer: Botted. That's good. :) |
| 15:28.03 | jetscreamer | load the modules for one |
| 15:28.06 | PerfDave | BucWheat: "do debian/rules"? |
| 15:28.07 | asuffield | it's just a strange looking mouse |
| 15:28.18 | shingoki | asuffield, no that doesn't work |
| 15:28.27 | shingoki | asuffield, even if it did I think you would be missing pressure |
| 15:28.33 | BucWheat | PerfDave when i do so i get this error: (where can i paste?) |
| 15:28.33 | rubixXx | is there an apt-get package name for xchat-systray? |
| 15:28.46 | asg | rubixXx: apt-cache search <keywords> ; /msg dpkg search |
| 15:28.48 | jetscreamer | no not that i've seen |
| 15:29.03 | jetscreamer | just xchat xchat-common and xchat-text |
| 15:29.09 | jetscreamer | use icewm, send to tray |
| 15:29.16 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Uhm, it looks like you can install Comedi from the comedi-source package with module-assistant. |
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| 15:29.55 | BucWheat | PerfDave yea i'm going to try that one again |
| 15:29.57 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Just forget the instructions you're reading, do "apt-get install module-assistant; module-assistant auto-install comedi-source" |
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| 15:30.56 | Jrz | hello |
| 15:31.50 | Jrz | I'm currently a freebsd user (server). But Java support is still not very good. Is debian a good choice? I'm looking for a clean / maintainable linux distro |
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| 15:32.05 | asg | Jrz: /msg dpkg why debian ; /msg dpkg install java |
| 15:32.11 | juan | how to compile a ircd with + 1024 ,,, |
| 15:32.15 | juan | in debian |
| 15:32.21 | greycat | Jrz: Debian is very good, yes. Surprised to hear that in #debian? |
| 15:32.30 | linoleum | hello : do you have probleme when you do aptitude dist-upgrade?? I got problem actually |
| 15:32.40 | greycat | !iyhtays |
| 15:32.40 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 15:32.42 | Jrz | greycat, I was hoping for some arguments.. |
| 15:32.43 | greycat | juan: ^^^ |
| 15:32.44 | jetscreamer | Jrz, server means using woody though |
| 15:32.49 | juan | greycat |
| 15:32.51 | jetscreamer | unless you're bold |
| 15:32.56 | asuffield | Jrz: because my house is made from bricks |
| 15:32.57 | PerfDave | Jrz: Debian is a good choice of distro. I switched from FreeBSD to Debian. However, Java isn't natively packaged in Debian because it's non-Free. There are packages to minimise the pain of using Java. |
| 15:32.58 | asg | Jrz: arguments? no this is abuse. |
| 15:33.00 | greycat | jetscreamer: not necessarily. he could always subscribe to d-s-a and track security changes himself. |
| 15:33.06 | greycat | !abuse asg |
| 15:33.21 | maxxle | hi! I've configured my wlan with linux-wlan-ng drivers. The card is up and running. I want to list the available accesspoints in range - how can i do this? |
| 15:33.23 | jetscreamer | bold, cocky, security expert.... |
| 15:33.35 | BucWheat | PerfDave i did what you just said and it tells me i need to install kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 15:33.47 | BucWheat | PerfDave but i don't see that with apt-cache search |
| 15:33.54 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Hmm, it should have done that for you. |
| 15:34.00 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 15:34.03 | jetscreamer | you should be able to see that package |
| 15:34.06 | BucWheat | PerfDave sarge |
| 15:34.07 | jetscreamer | unless it's woody |
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| 15:34.15 | Phated | !info kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 sarge |
| 15:34.16 | PerfDave | !info kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 sarge |
| 15:34.17 | Jrz | PerfDave, that's ok.. as long as I don't have to compile java itself like on freebsd.. Back in '97 I ran redhat and slack.. slack was very nice.. but freebsd was nicer.. Now I'm looking to step back to linux |
| 15:34.18 | BucWheat | PerfDave but i'm using unstable in sources.list |
| 15:34.31 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Then you're not running Sarge! |
| 15:34.32 | Phated | Then you're running sid. |
| 15:34.38 | PerfDave | !info kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 sid |
| 15:34.38 | jetscreamer | unless hey is that a stock d-i kernel |
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| 15:34.51 | jetscreamer | that's the default install kernel isn't it |
| 15:34.53 | daft | directhex|work, is the 32bit chroot smooth or anoying at some points? |
| 15:35.02 | BucWheat | PerfDave well i downloaded and installed the sarge net-install cd |
| 15:35.05 | juan | hi! |
| 15:35.14 | PerfDave | BucWheat: You're running a kernel-image from Sarge, on a Sid system which doesn't have that kernel version. Install a kernel-image package from Sid, then do it. Or reinstall your system with Sarge. |
| 15:35.17 | jetscreamer | !win jetscreamer |
| 15:35.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetscreamer! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:35.23 | PerfDave | BucWheat: So why did you start using Sid sources? |
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| 15:35.46 | BucWheat | PerfDave because i read on the mailing list that i posted to you that i needed to get the sid comedi-source pacakge :( |
| 15:35.53 | directhex|work | daft, depends how you set it up. it's more involved than having a single arch, sure, but the guide goes a long way towards making it painless (via the dchroot script) |
| 15:36.05 | PerfDave | !info comedi-source sarge |
| 15:36.07 | dpkg | comedi-source: (Comedi kernel module source), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.7.68-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 869 kB, Installed size: 916 kB |
| 15:36.09 | jetscreamer | BucWheat, paste an applicable line from /etc/apt/sources.list and show if it says sid or sarge or what |
| 15:36.10 | BucWheat | PerfDave i can change my sources.list back to sarge and reinstall modules-assit |
| 15:36.18 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
| 15:36.19 | Jrz | I'm aware of UML and chroots. But is there anything similar to FreeBSD jails on linux? |
| 15:36.34 | directhex|work | daft, i have internet explorer for windows installed in the sarge chroot, laucnhed by /usr/local/msie6. i have vmware 5 beta 32bit installed on the 64 bit setup & using compatability libraries. anything's possible |
| 15:36.35 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Not if you've installed stuff from Sid, no. Well, not without risking b reakage. |
| 15:36.39 | rubixXx | now i got one more question....with rhythmbox i can't play mp3 files, whats the name of that plugin |
| 15:36.43 | BucWheat | deb ftp://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ unstable main |
| 15:36.56 | rituraj | i have just now installed sarge |
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| 15:37.06 | rituraj | with apt-get install xfce4 |
| 15:37.08 | BucWheat | PerfDave i will uninstall all packages that i installed with sid and then go back to sarge |
| 15:37.14 | rituraj | when i give startxfce4 |
| 15:37.16 | jetscreamer | !congratulate rituraj |
| 15:37.17 | dpkg | Good show rituraj, you did it! |
| 15:37.19 | PerfDave | BucWheat: What about upgraded dependencies? |
| 15:37.24 | rituraj | it gives error cannot find xinit |
| 15:37.29 | directhex|work | rituraj, you need an x server too. apt-get install x-window-system |
| 15:37.30 | BucWheat | PerfDave good question |
| 15:37.31 | PerfDave | BucWheat: You can try it, but it may not work. |
| 15:37.36 | valdyn_ | !info kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 sarge |
| 15:37.39 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386: (Linux 2.4.27 kernel headers for 386), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 290 kB, Installed size: 19076 kB |
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| 15:37.47 | Albacker | guys can i use 2.6.X in woody ? |
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| 15:37.55 | rituraj | but why doesnt xfce4 install xwindow system as an dependecy |
| 15:37.55 | directhex|work | !tell Albacker about bunk 2.6 |
| 15:38.00 | jetscreamer | !tell Albacker about... ok don't |
| 15:38.06 | PerfDave | Albacker: Not easily. "/msg dpkg bunk 2.6" if you absolutely have to, but I wouldn't. |
| 15:38.06 | Phated | rituraj: Because it isn't. |
| 15:38.09 | BucWheat | valdyn_ my uname -r shows |
| 15:38.10 | BucWheat | 2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 15:38.15 | directhex|work | rituraj, no, it's not dependant. you can run xfce4 from a aystem without x installed via SSH & x FORWARDING |
| 15:38.25 | directhex|work | bah @ capslock |
| 15:38.40 | Phated | directhex|work: It capitalised all the right bits, though. :) |
| 15:38.43 | asg | directhex|work: that was some selective capslocking |
| 15:38.49 | ricky_clarkson | If you don't use FORTRAN, you can safely throw away your caps lock key. |
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| 15:38.52 | BucWheat | !info kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 15:38.55 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386: (Linux 2.4.27 kernel headers for 386), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-8 (sid), Packaged size: 290 kB, Installed size: 19076 kB |
| 15:38.55 | rituraj | oh ok |
| 15:38.56 | valdyn_ | BucWheat: thats no longer in sarge, so I would update to 2.4.27-2-386 after you fixed your sources.list |
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| 15:39.26 | rituraj | good idea |
| 15:39.33 | BucWheat | k |
| 15:39.42 | PerfDave | BucWheat: You need to be running a kernel-image package which has a matching kernel-headers package, which may mean upgrading your kernel and rebooting but shouldn't be too hard. |
| 15:40.10 | BucWheat | PerfDave ok. so i should be able to do this with sid sources right ? |
| 15:40.18 | PerfDave | BucWheat: No, don't do it with sid sources. |
| 15:40.24 | BucWheat | k |
| 15:40.27 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Because you'll end up running Unstable, and you don't want that. |
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| 15:40.36 | oneo | hey guys - whenever i try to compile anything with the -lXext i get this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext. anyone know how to fix this? i think i have all the needed libraries including xlibs-dev |
| 15:40.59 | PerfDave | oneo: Why are you trying to hand-compile stuff? |
| 15:41.13 | BucWheat | PerfDave k. |
| 15:41.16 | usn | hi al |
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| 15:41.23 | bogon | hallo |
| 15:41.24 | PerfDave | BucWheat: What have you installed since changing your sources.list to point to sid? Whatever it is, remove it. Change your sources.list back, apt-get update. |
| 15:41.41 | BucWheat | PerfDave i've just completed all those steps :) |
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| 15:41.47 | oobe | dpkg, best distro |
| 15:41.47 | dpkg | well, best distro is /topic |
| 15:41.56 | jetscreamer | attention people: whenever i finally try to compile various stuff (cept a kernel) it will be because i want to, don't know how, and want to learn. that is all. |
| 15:42.01 | ricky_clarkson | Where I can dl /topic? |
| 15:42.08 | oneo | perf - because i've just made a new change to my code |
| 15:42.14 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson, from microsoft |
| 15:42.15 | Albacker | should I get all the packages listed here or just packages.gz ? |
| 15:42.17 | Albacker | http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian/dists/woody/kernel-26/main/binary-i386/ |
| 15:42.22 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: /join #knoppix |
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| 15:42.30 | PerfDave | Albacker: Uhm, add it to your sources.list? |
| 15:42.39 | jetscreamer | packages.gz is like a list of packages, Albacker |
| 15:42.42 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Good. Now install module-assistant and comedi-source from Sarge ;) |
| 15:42.44 | greycat | Albacker: please stop being a twit. |
| 15:42.46 | jetscreamer | aka table of contents |
| 15:42.48 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer, mircosoft is teh scuk. Can I use Gen2 insted?//? |
| 15:43.00 | ricky_clarkson | Wen is Gen3 out? |
| 15:43.01 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson, mandrake is preferred, but you can ty |
| 15:43.04 | jetscreamer | try |
| 15:43.10 | greycat | Albacker: either run sarge, or run woody as intended, or grow a clue and then DECIDE whether you want to do something as half-brained as running woody + bunk + linux2.6. |
| 15:43.12 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson, tomorrow! |
| 15:44.28 | stego | Why is apt-file looking for security.d.o/.../ Contents.gz when it's not there? Is there anyway to fix this and tell it not to? |
| 15:44.29 | Phated | greycat: Chill, breathe... Think of speller's-lands... |
| 15:44.32 | sml | does anyone here use Oracle on a debian box? |
| 15:44.54 | jetscreamer | stego, because it's in your sources.list |
| 15:44.56 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 15:45.03 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, so the netins with debian base means that I will be able to install it, partition my disk, and add the x window and kde? or I will need to get all that from the apt-get? |
| 15:45.12 | sml | dont worry i know how to install oracle and i also know about dba'ing and development my questions is PURELY to do with benchmarking :) |
| 15:45.13 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/apt/sources.list and look, stego |
| 15:45.15 | stego | Should security.d.o not be in a testing sources.list? |
| 15:45.18 | rituraj | when i do copy export DISPLAY=host1:0.0 and gie startxfce4 it says |
| 15:45.22 | asg | Phated: you should turn that into a mmorpg and make $$ |
| 15:45.23 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, what is exacly the benefit of the "netinst"? |
| 15:45.23 | Phated | stego: Remove entry from sources.list (unless you're running woody), apt-get update. |
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| 15:45.30 | googli | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 15:45.32 | googli | Eclipser_: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 15:45.32 | googli | Eclipser_: Error occured while processing ocaml-omom (NewVersion1) |
| 15:45.32 | googli | Eclipser_: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 15:45.32 | googli | Eclipser_: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 15:45.32 | Jrz | anyone tried to compile a whole distro+kernel using icc? |
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| 15:45.34 | sml | i want to replace an NT box with a debian Oracle box.. but so far.. the same queries are taking longer on the debian box.. which i cant just believe. |
| 15:45.37 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, rather than the other ones. |
| 15:45.39 | jordin | hi guys |
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| 15:45.40 | Phated | asg: It will be a GPL'ed mmporpg, thank you. FREEEE! |
| 15:45.40 | rituraj | connection refured by server Xlib no protocol specified |
| 15:45.41 | asg | googli: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 15:45.43 | jordin | :-D |
| 15:45.45 | jetscreamer | jair_11, you will need to d/l kde and x via internet, but yes to the rest |
| 15:45.56 | sml | is there any way of being able to benchmark the debian box in a way that shoes a result that is significant. |
| 15:45.56 | asg | Phated: doesn't mean you can't charge $$ for it. |
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| 15:46.02 | rituraj | i hae copied .Xauthority also |
| 15:46.04 | Phated | asg: FREEE both ways. |
| 15:46.13 | asg | Phated: perhaps you could float it to schools for a nominal maintenance fee. |
| 15:46.32 | asg | Phated: we've considered using lambda moo here to teach ESL |
| 15:46.32 | rituraj | copied .Xauthority to system from where i am giving startxfce4 |
| 15:46.37 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, cool. |
| 15:46.39 | greycat | sml: benchmark it against what? for what task? |
| 15:46.45 | directhex|work | jair_11, net install has the base system on it. it installs, partitions, gives a working system. you can then apt-get install what you like, i.e. x-window-system kde kdm |
| 15:46.47 | Phated | asg: I refuse to work with schools. They all suck. |
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| 15:47.04 | jethro | I m wondering, my HR director (female) just told me about her dream last night, shall I consider that harassment? |
| 15:47.08 | jetscreamer | jair_11, you only download what you need, via internet, is the idea behind the netinst, instead of a big cd you have no use for 75% of |
| 15:47.09 | asg | Phated: ;) |
| 15:47.11 | jethro | as I was part of the dream |
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| 15:47.12 | stego | Right... so s.d.o/dists/testings/updates just contains empty files. Am I right in thinking testing doesnt get security updates? They just filter through? |
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| 15:47.15 | greycat | jethro: depends on the dream. |
| 15:47.17 | jair_11 | directhex|work, nice I always wanted to install debian, the thing is I was newbie that time. |
| 15:47.18 | asg | jethro: was it good for you? |
| 15:47.20 | jethro | heya tabbuddy & asg |
| 15:47.27 | zeiter_ | hey guys, how do I select a program to play a file...i mean..where are they after u installed them? |
| 15:47.29 | jethro | she said I went homeless and she hosted me for a while |
| 15:47.29 | asg | jethro: morning |
| 15:47.40 | jair_11 | I was install before debian like systems, Libranet, Knoppix, Kanotix, |
| 15:47.40 | jetscreamer | stego, not all testing security update mechanisms are in place, it's a work in progress |
| 15:47.46 | jethro | and I saved some 2 years old girl in the street, and she adopted the girl then |
| 15:47.50 | jair_11 | but I really want to use the giant. |
| 15:47.55 | Phated | jethro: That's harassment. |
| 15:48.01 | jethro | how much should I ask ? :) |
| 15:48.03 | Phated | She stole the kid you saved! |
| 15:48.06 | jair_11 | I heard a lot of good things about debian |
| 15:48.07 | jethro | heh |
| 15:48.13 | asg | jethro: did she have good rackspace? |
| 15:48.15 | stego | jetscreamer, so I should leave it out of my sources.list? |
| 15:48.18 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11, they are all lies. |
| 15:48.21 | jetscreamer | it's cool once you get your bearings |
| 15:48.22 | rituraj | Xlib: connection to "192.168.2.69:0.0" refused by server |
| 15:48.22 | rituraj | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 15:48.22 | rituraj | (xfce4-session:5196): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 15:48.27 | jethro | asg: I think so, but not enough for all my gear |
| 15:48.36 | jair_11 | ricky_clarkson, hahah been sarcasttic? |
| 15:48.43 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11, yes. |
| 15:48.45 | asg | jethro: ah, too bad then. |
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| 15:48.49 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:48.51 | greycat | bah! |
| 15:48.52 | sml | greycat: well i basically am using a dual 1GHZ intel architecture with 1GB RAM to run Oracle on debian (sarge).. however its slower than a single cpu'd machine running NT4 when running "my queries",. i was wondering if there was any way of somehow seeing how much faster/slower oracle is at performing the same tasks. |
| 15:48.54 | oneo | hey guys - whenever i try to compile anything with the -lXext i get this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext. anyone know how to fix this? i think i have all the needed libraries including xlibs-dev |
| 15:48.54 | greycat | rituraj: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:48.56 | jetscreamer | stego, that's up to you.... iirc, there are some sarge security updates atm, but not all. you need to do the research and decide for yourself though. |
| 15:49.11 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Are there any Sarge security updats? |
| 15:49.13 | ricky_clarkson | /msg dpkg tell greycat about friendly fire |
| 15:49.21 | jetscreamer | PerfDave, ^^ |
| 15:49.24 | jair_11 | so guys the next step after successfully install the debian base, I should edit my .source.list? |
| 15:49.32 | jetscreamer | jethro, that's a bug |
| 15:49.34 | jair_11 | for the apt-get mirror servers? |
| 15:49.35 | greycat | sml: so what you *really* wanted to ask was "how do I make Oracle run faster on Debian". I don't know the answers. What have you learned so far in the investigation? |
| 15:49.45 | jetscreamer | jair_11, it should be part of the install process |
| 15:49.45 | jethro | jetscreamer: should I use the cvs version then? |
| 15:49.50 | jair_11 | I was reading about that on the apt-get.org site |
| 15:49.56 | rituraj | sshx? |
| 15:50.00 | directhex|work | jair_11, apt-get.org is for woody users. |
| 15:50.04 | rituraj | shall i install sshx? |
| 15:50.08 | jair_11 | directhex|work, ohhh |
| 15:50.10 | asg | rituraj: no, read the factoid |
| 15:50.12 | jetscreamer | jethro, maybe.. ask dondelelcaro he's the bot god.. or aussfeld. try supybot. |
| 15:50.15 | jair_11 | did not kno |
| 15:50.18 | sml | greycat: well basically we're thinking about buying 2GB ram which i think is pointless until we determine WHY oracle on debian is slower than oracle on NT4 when the hardware is superior and they're both intel |
| 15:50.29 | jethro | !supybot |
| 15:50.36 | jair_11 | directhex|work, so where is a good web site where tells me about sarge? |
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| 15:50.46 | Delph | jair_11: i'd suggest debian.org |
| 15:50.47 | greycat | sml: so you're also asking "How do I determine the bottlenecks of my Oracle database on a Unix system?" |
| 15:50.55 | sml | i haven't looked into (yet) the init.ora to check things like oracles global address space parameters coz oracle performance tuning is exactly that.. fine tuning. |
| 15:50.55 | greycat | sml: man top, man vmstat, man sar, ... |
| 15:51.01 | jethro | jetscreamer: thanks for the tip, I ll dig into it |
| 15:51.03 | rituraj | i didnt get ...whats that |
| 15:51.06 | rituraj | :( |
| 15:51.07 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, so during the process I will be able to choose the best and fastest mirror server fro packages download.? |
| 15:51.10 | greycat | sml: check dmesg, make sure disks are running in the proper DMA modes, etc. |
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| 15:51.19 | jair_11 | Delph, cool thank you |
| 15:51.20 | sml | greycat: its hardware raid5 |
| 15:51.25 | greycat | sml: SCSI? |
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| 15:51.32 | sml | linux see's them as a blockdevice |
| 15:51.34 | jetscreamer | jethro #supybot !info supybot http://supybot.com/ |
| 15:51.36 | jair_11 | directhex|work, so which one is for sarge users? |
| 15:51.39 | greycat | as a *SCSI* block device? |
| 15:51.40 | rubixXx | i like debian |
| 15:51.41 | sml | greycat: yes |
| 15:51.44 | greycat | sml: ok. |
| 15:51.46 | sml | SCSCI block device |
| 15:51.46 | rubixXx | this ubuntu splinter is pretty nice |
| 15:51.53 | sml | Ultra3 SCSI |
| 15:51.59 | jetscreamer | jair_11, fpt.<country>.debian.org works well |
| 15:52.01 | Phated | That's not Debian, sheesh. |
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| 15:52.17 | jair_11 | by the way guys do you recommend me to install reiser on the file systems? |
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| 15:52.22 | jetscreamer | no |
| 15:52.24 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting rubixXx |
| 15:52.25 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support rubixXx too. Try #rubixXx or donating money to charity. |
| 15:52.26 | jair_11 | I heard that is faster than ext3? |
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| 15:52.27 | Phated | jair_11: Not really. |
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| 15:52.30 | SlayerXP | jair_11: do you have a tested backup strategy? |
| 15:52.33 | PerfDave | jair_11: Not if you like your data in one piece, no. |
| 15:52.37 | jetscreamer | i would not install reiser |
| 15:52.41 | jair_11 | SlayerXP, nope |
| 15:52.43 | Phated | Go greycat. |
| 15:52.45 | PerfDave | !ricerfs |
| 15:52.45 | dpkg | methinks ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for more info. |
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| 15:52.51 | jair_11 | ohh |
| 15:52.53 | SlayerXP | jair_11: then only use reiser if you enjoy losing data |
| 15:53.02 | jair_11 | I would like to be able of back up easy the information. |
| 15:53.07 | sml | greycat: the other machine which is FASTER is only a p2 400MHZ..... i.e vastly inferior. it also has half the RAM (512MB) |
| 15:53.09 | jair_11 | SlayerXP, hahahah |
| 15:53.09 | greycat | jair_11: man tar; man cpio |
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| 15:53.11 | jetscreamer | jair_11, stick with ext3 until you want to do the experimentation thing |
| 15:53.13 | greycat | jair_11: man rsync |
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| 15:53.24 | jethro | jetscreamer: I just should read english better, it's ~ by default, found out where to change that |
| 15:53.27 | jair_11 | ohhh |
| 15:53.27 | sml | greycat: so obviously im at a loss to explain why something that should be vastly superior runs like a dog. |
| 15:53.32 | Phated | Ah, ext3. |
| 15:53.34 | Jrz | sml, it could be some caching issue on your disk. look into write through caching.... Also, raid-5 is slower than a single disk |
| 15:53.39 | jair_11 | greycat, that utils are for back up? |
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| 15:53.44 | greycat | sml: I'd suspect I/O or memory issues first. |
| 15:53.45 | jair_11 | ok |
| 15:53.54 | Jrz | asdas |
| 15:53.56 | jair_11 | guys I will stick with ext3 |
| 15:54.00 | greycat | good idea. |
| 15:54.00 | mejo | simple question: if i import a module in my module, do i have to import it in the program too? |
| 15:54.03 | jetscreamer | jethro, i guess they fixed the bug |
| 15:54.10 | greycat | mejo: in... what language? |
| 15:54.11 | jethro | ok |
| 15:54.23 | jetscreamer | jethro, supybot is stil cool though |
| 15:54.32 | jethro | I ll look into it then :) |
| 15:54.36 | mejo | greycat: sorry, wrong channel *g* |
| 15:54.39 | bwlang | Jrz: your assertion that raid5 is slower than a single disk is only true for 3 disk, non hardware controlled raid... with 4 disk or a hardware controller raid5 reads are significantly faster in my hands... writes are about the same |
| 15:54.44 | sml | Jrz: i had already thought about NOT using raid5. i even had a meeting about this , this morning with our developers |
| 15:54.50 | jetscreamer | it's a lot like a blootbot on steroids |
| 15:55.01 | jethro | heh |
| 15:55.10 | jethro | perl as well? |
| 15:55.10 | stew | bwlang: you must have significantly more expensive raid hardware than i do |
| 15:55.15 | sml | i mean we dont need the raid5 if we make good backups. its not like we need a real time system |
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| 15:55.27 | jetscreamer | python iirc |
| 15:55.40 | jair_11 | greycat, what about a good utility to control the old tape drives, I have bunches of bran new tapes and a old tape drive to back up data. |
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| 15:55.44 | rituraj | please help me i am not able to strtxfce4 by exporting display |
| 15:55.45 | bwlang | stew: could be - i also run with 6 disks... - not that i'm a huge fan of raid 5... if you can afford the disk raid 10 is better in all ways |
| 15:55.48 | greycat | sml: well, find out where the bottlenecks are first. |
| 15:55.53 | Jrz | bwlang, out shitty dell server perform OOB: (6xSCSI 10K raid-5) perc-3 controller: 45mb/sec perc-4 controller: 60mb/sec my ide hdd single disk is 55mb/sec |
| 15:55.55 | jair_11 | greycat, that I would like to use under Linux. |
| 15:56.00 | greycat | jair_11: tar, cpio, mt |
| 15:56.02 | MrP | lol, I unmounted my cdrom drive, but I can't eject it, what up doc? |
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| 15:56.11 | sml | the solution here was "buy another gig of ram" but i've beeen googling for any ways of making a sensible comparison in speed of two oracle systems runing on different platforms and hardware. obviously this is not a simple task and something im not really skilled at. :) |
| 15:56.12 | thomas_adam | *Anything* that begins with 'py' or has 'py' in it, can almost _always_ be said to have been implemented in Python. |
| 15:56.15 | Jrz | sml, I'd run raid-5 on a db.. |
| 15:56.16 | jair_11 | cool |
| 15:56.24 | greycat | MrP: check dmesg for errors. try again. try 'eject' (package/program). |
| 15:56.40 | asg | thomas_adam: pyongyang? |
| 15:56.41 | greycat | thomas_adam: you hippy! |
| 15:56.47 | thomas_adam | Ha! |
| 15:56.50 | jetscreamer | MrP, sometimes nautilus or konq are still 'pointing' at the cd and that locks it |
| 15:56.53 | greycat | thomas_adam: I hope you're happy! |
| 15:56.59 | jair_11 | greycat, I heard about amanda, but that is a redhat app right? |
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| 15:57.06 | jair_11 | or it works with debian? |
| 15:57.09 | greycat | jair_11: GODS save me from the idiocy. PLEASE. |
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| 15:57.21 | jair_11 | greycat, hahahah sorry |
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| 15:57.24 | sml | the only thing i can think of is that the debian package defaults for the configuartion files are badly off when using oracle in my configuration. |
| 15:57.35 | jair_11 | greycat, what is wrong with what i said? |
| 15:57.39 | jair_11 | :( |
| 15:57.40 | asg | thomas_adam: est pub date on LDH is march |
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| 15:57.47 | thomas_adam | asg: Cool. |
| 15:57.49 | jetscreamer | he probably doesn't like amanda |
| 15:58.03 | Jrz | sml, do you have write-through or write-back enabled on your controller |
| 15:58.03 | jair_11 | ohhh got it |
| 15:58.10 | jair_11 | I like this room guys |
| 15:58.17 | jair_11 | hahaha funny and interesting |
| 15:58.17 | quitte | !room |
| 15:58.17 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 15:58.27 | jair_11 | channel sorry |
| 15:58.31 | sml | Jrz: not sure. i would have to check. |
| 15:58.32 | Phated | Please leave, please leave... |
| 15:58.32 | jair_11 | oki |
| 15:58.36 | thomas_adam | asg: I filled that form out that Jono sent out, and sent it back via email to that guy at O'Reilly, but heard nothing, so I assume everything is Ok... I've never dealt with these people before, so... |
| 15:58.42 | Phated | (Whooops, that came out loud.) |
| 15:58.45 | sml | Jrz: i wonder if i could do some kind of test with dd to rest the speed ? |
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| 15:59.11 | jair_11 | guys I almost have the "netinst" |
| 15:59.12 | Little_Dump | does anyone know why when i run acpi_listen i wouldnt see events indicating that my battery is discharging? |
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| 15:59.17 | asg | thomas_adam: yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure they won't stiff you. |
| 15:59.21 | sml | obvisously something is slowign this box down... maybe the RAM is faulty? |
| 15:59.23 | jair_11 | I will prepare my IBM laptop bye bye crap windows. |
| 15:59.32 | jair_11 | I will be back one sec. |
| 15:59.32 | thomas_adam | Little_Dump: tail the apci log file. |
| 15:59.46 | jair_11 | I will burn it |
| 16:00.13 | bwlang | sml: bad ram would likely show up as instability rather than slowness... |
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| 16:00.30 | Phated | You really don't need to give us blow-by-blow accounts of your intrepid expedition into the territory of Linux. |
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| 16:00.40 | Jrz | sml, dunno.. I'd do a dd test to check the speed.. |
| 16:00.42 | sml | thre seems to be no options for write-back or write through |
| 16:00.48 | abrotman | is there an RSS feed for the security.d.o notices? |
| 16:00.56 | Jrz | sml, what queries are slow, update/insert or read? |
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| 16:01.06 | priest | is it posible to configure postfix to -send- mail trough a relay smtp with password on the relay-server? |
| 16:01.14 | sml | Jrz: well so far i've only tested one of our queries which i KNOW hits the oracle box hard. |
| 16:01.19 | asg | thomas_adam: interestingly, Jono's bio at O'Reilly indicated he was co-authoring it with Telsa but the info on the book shows Nicholas Petreley is the co-author. |
| 16:01.24 | sml | takes 1.5 minutes on NT to finish.... 2 minutes on Linus |
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| 16:01.26 | sml | linux |
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| 16:01.36 | Jrz | sml, are you sure all indexes are built ? |
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| 16:01.41 | thomas_adam | asg: Heh. |
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| 16:01.47 | sml | Jrz: yes its an exported live database. |
| 16:01.53 | sml | its identical to the one on the NT box |
| 16:01.54 | stew | sml: tsk tsk, posting benchmarks violates your oracle user agreement :) |
| 16:02.01 | Jrz | hehehe |
| 16:02.01 | thomas_adam | asg: I noticed it, but assumed that something changed last minute and that webpage had fallen by the wayside. |
| 16:02.01 | sml | stew: LOL. |
| 16:02.10 | asg | thomas_adam: yeah, probably. |
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| 16:02.29 | abrotman | sml: have you considered that the oracle port to linux could suck? |
| 16:02.30 | sml | i've done "update statistics" etc etc looked at different query paths of execution.. etc etc |
| 16:02.33 | asg | thomas_adam: I know he was rushed when he asked here for donated hacks; the timeline was rather strained. |
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| 16:03.00 | sml | abrotman: i used to run oracle on my laptop and it was faster than our production systems. im sure its not a bad port.. |
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| 16:03.10 | thomas_adam | Presumably, Telsa is at the bottom of her garden with her GNOME? :P |
| 16:03.19 | abrotman | sml: i bet it's the DBA then |
| 16:03.22 | asg | thomas_adam: getting the 'lurgy again |
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| 16:03.31 | sml | i've even run a Sybase box for six years... ever since it first became availabel instead of MS SQL and it blew it away. im actually rather shocked at what im seeing here. |
| 16:03.32 | FieldySnuts | it's oracle, it's proprietary good luck |
| 16:03.34 | thomas_adam | Yes, boyo. |
| 16:03.36 | sml | HAS to be the hardware. |
| 16:03.40 | bwlang | i need to figure out how to get gnome to NOT display a window manager on my second head (:0.1) - i'm about start reading source... can anybody point me in the right direction? |
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| 16:04.01 | thomas_adam | !#gnome |
| 16:04.01 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 16:04.11 | sml | abrotman: unless the DBA bolloxed up the export somehow... |
| 16:04.18 | sml | exported SYSTEM. |
| 16:04.19 | abrotman | sml: castrate him! |
| 16:04.20 | bwlang | thomas_adam: dude - those channels are totally dead... |
| 16:04.29 | thomas_adam | bwlang: Dude! /msg dpkg piav |
| 16:04.32 | sml | i'll do more than that if that's what it is... :-S |
| 16:04.46 | bwlang | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:05.05 | thomas_adam | bwlang: Delete the trailing space. |
| 16:05.06 | sml | oh well it looks like im gonna be living in the server room for a long while. better go pack my tent and flask of coffee. |
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| 16:05.14 | Jrz | sml, what kind of controller is in it? |
| 16:05.14 | bwlang | thomas_adam: hah- patience is for the patient... ;) |
| 16:05.22 | sml | Jrz: lemme go check. |
| 16:05.40 | greycat | sml: you should really be able to do all the work you need from an ssh connection. |
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| 16:05.49 | greycat | sml: unless you actually need to *replace* a piece of hardware |
| 16:05.54 | sml | Jrz: compaq smart-array 5304-128 |
| 16:05.58 | FieldySnuts | LOL compaq |
| 16:06.00 | Jrz | sml, and what filesystem, is it journaled? |
| 16:06.18 | sml | Jrz: its journaled "i think". ext3 |
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| 16:06.40 | sml | i didn't set up the box. my colleage did it whilst i was at lunch. |
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| 16:06.48 | sml | all i know is its sarge.. i can ssh into it and tell ya.. |
| 16:06.51 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Awfully giggly you are today, dollface. XD |
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| 16:07.21 | FieldySnuts | Phated: kinda have to, sick last night, late for work, have a recurring headache that keeps slamming into me, sucks |
| 16:07.33 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Poor thing. Take a day off, girl. |
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| 16:08.20 | sml | yes its journald. |
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| 16:08.25 | Jenns | Heya, is /lib/modules/*/build meant to be a link to /usr/src/kerenl* ? |
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| 16:08.27 | FieldySnuts | the way things are goin here about to take eternity off, screw em |
| 16:08.31 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 16:08.35 | Phated | You go. :) |
| 16:08.53 | valdyn_ | Jenns: or to your kernel-headers |
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| 16:09.13 | sml | greycat: i cant access the raid controller stuff using ssh.. at least i dont THINK i can. |
| 16:09.37 | sml | only accessible on boot through the bios |
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| 16:09.38 | FieldySnuts | what do you mean by stuff |
| 16:09.40 | adamh | I've got some modems which are apparently locked (maybe by a process, maybe by a kernel bug?) but I have no idea why they're locked. How can I: (a) find out what's locking them, and (b) unlock them? |
| 16:09.41 | FieldySnuts | oh yeah that |
| 16:09.52 | FieldySnuts | if you're lucky there is linux software to do it, but it's probably proprietary and very old, if at all |
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| 16:10.11 | FieldySnuts | like for the adaptec cards here there's software but it only runs in X11, and only very, very old X11 at that, aka, totally useless to me |
| 16:10.27 | Evon150 | how do i clean the system man, tmp files, downloaded files from apt-get and usless junk |
| 16:10.29 | sml | oh well maybe i should just scrap this dual 1GHZ machine with its gig of ram and use it to make boot floppies for gentoo :P |
| 16:10.33 | Jenns | valdyn_: so ln -S /usr/src/kernel* /lib/modules/*/build is suffecient to stop the ati drivers from breaking when I run the install script? |
| 16:10.34 | quitte_ | adamh lsof |
| 16:10.42 | FieldySnuts | heh iw ouldn't say that here |
| 16:10.44 | Jrz | hehe |
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| 16:10.53 | sml | FieldySnuts: well maybe i should have used the controller software on the pc whilst it still had NT on it.. |
| 16:11.03 | stew | sml: what is the hardware? |
| 16:11.07 | shingoki | How would I file a bug report to say that wacom-kernel-source is broken? |
| 16:11.08 | FieldySnuts | some compaq shit |
| 16:11.17 | asg | shingoki: use reportbug |
| 16:11.20 | stew | sml: no ilo? |
| 16:11.21 | J0el | i need some help with instlling my sound drivers |
| 16:11.21 | Phated | shingoki: Use reportbug. |
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| 16:11.25 | sml | compaq proliant |
| 16:11.27 | adamh | quitte_: Nah, doesn't work. And it really ought to, because faxsend is running on another modem (which *is* working properly and is sending a fax right now) |
| 16:11.34 | valdyn_ | Jenns: yes, if youre kernel-source is configured properly, but uhm, i think that step should not be required, so maybe youre trying to shortcut a mistake elsewhere |
| 16:11.36 | FieldySnuts | sussudio likes compaq |
| 16:11.40 | stew | sml: how new, does it have an ilo board? |
| 16:11.41 | J0el | its an onboard ac97 |
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| 16:11.44 | gilles | i realised with charmap that the code of all the characters refused by mysql is above U+20000, does someone know why ? |
| 16:11.49 | sml | ml530, dual pIII zeon, 1 ghz ram , raid 5 (hardware) |
| 16:11.52 | shingoki | anyone know how to actually get a wacom tablet working? |
| 16:11.54 | J0el | i tried modprobe ac97 |
| 16:11.59 | valdyn_ | Jenns: nonetheless it will work then.. |
| 16:12.02 | J0el | it wont work |
| 16:12.05 | quitte_ | adamh: lsof the modem device to find out what has opened it |
| 16:12.10 | Jenns | valdyn_: yeah I figured as much :-) I'll give this ago first before I retrace my steps |
| 16:12.11 | sml | stew: now you're asking! i've absolutely no idea what that is or how to tell. im not really a hardware guy |
| 16:12.18 | valdyn_ | Jenns: finally.. you want to /msg dpkg ati if you are using the drivers from ati.com |
| 16:12.20 | adamh | quitte_: Ooh, didn't know you could do that :). Thanks! |
| 16:12.30 | stew | sml: if its got ilo you can remotely get at the bios screens from a java app, i manage a raid array from 3 timezones away that way |
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| 16:12.39 | Jenns | valdyn_: yup, I'm reading that guide now :-) |
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| 16:12.53 | shingoki | I get this when I try to use the wacom driver: wacom: Unknown symbol wacom_intuos_inout |
| 16:12.53 | sml | stew: interesting. how do i tell if it has this ilo thing ? |
| 16:12.58 | jcoiron | I would like to know the package list for each debian-CD, weekly generated, present on ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/, but don't want to download it. Could someone advise me a way to do it ? |
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| 16:13.21 | moonix | <after apt-get update I've this error:Dynamic MMap ran out of room. What does it mean?> |
| 16:13.27 | asg | moonix: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
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| 16:13.36 | adamh | Okay, well, lsof comes up empty, and if I run "minicom ttySHSF0" I get "Device /dev/ttySHSF0 is locked" |
| 16:13.42 | simonrvn | apache2 is fucked. do not upgrade |
| 16:13.49 | stew | sml: actually i'm not sure how you'd know remotely, it would prabably be 'ask the admin' |
| 16:13.55 | scytheman | it isn't |
| 16:13.56 | simonrvn | haven't filed bug report yet |
| 16:13.57 | valdyn_ | ahamh: fuser /dev/ttySHSF0 |
| 16:13.58 | bfk42 | php does not exec sudo |
| 16:14.00 | scytheman | at least not my apage2 |
| 16:14.10 | sml | stew: i have physical access to it if you can tell me what to look for. |
| 16:14.11 | scytheman | *apache |
| 16:14.11 | FieldySnuts | good, php shouldn't |
| 16:14.14 | simonrvn | sid's |
| 16:14.17 | bfk42 | hehe |
| 16:14.18 | adamh | valdyn_: Comes up empty |
| 16:14.19 | mastertet | Hello, I installed Sarge yesterday. I would like to know which command to use for printing, lpr and lp are not there? |
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| 16:14.25 | bfk42 | but i need |
| 16:14.30 | adamh | (return value 1) |
| 16:14.30 | asg | mastertet: cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client |
| 16:14.41 | valdyn_ | adamh: try cat /dev/ttySHSF0 |
| 16:14.47 | FieldySnuts | have fun getting rooted some day then, but then again, anyone running php pretty much says that |
| 16:14.49 | bfk42 | www-data user is in the sudoers file |
| 16:14.52 | mastertet | cupsys bla.pdf for exemple? |
| 16:14.53 | stew | sml: it would be an extra rj45 |
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| 16:14.55 | abrotman | !security rss |
| 16:14.55 | dpkg | it has been said that security rss is http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long.en.rdf |
| 16:15.00 | adamh | "No such device" (?) |
| 16:15.03 | sml | stew: cool. |
| 16:15.03 | FieldySnuts | you're a moron if you're trying to allow php to sudo. |
| 16:15.05 | J0el | i need some help with instlling my sound drivers |
| 16:15.06 | asg | mastertet: you have to install and configure those packages then use lp / lpr |
| 16:15.10 | BucWheat | PerfDave still around ? |
| 16:15.11 | bfk42 | dude |
| 16:15.17 | adamh | Wow. That's odd :) |
| 16:15.17 | asg | J0el: /msg dpkg sound |
| 16:15.18 | PerfDave | BucWheat: 'sup? |
| 16:15.21 | stew | sml: it sets up a wevserver where you can do all kinds of stuff to the hardware even when the machines not powered |
| 16:15.23 | bfk42 | i am sick and tired of being moron and lamer and newbie |
| 16:15.25 | mastertet | ok thanks asg |
| 16:15.28 | BucWheat | PerfDave module-assistant still says i need to have kernel-headers-2.4.27 installed |
| 16:15.33 | FieldySnuts | athen don't act like one |
| 16:15.38 | PerfDave | BucWheat: So install it? |
| 16:15.39 | BucWheat | PerfDave i do but yet it still doesnt install comedi-source |
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| 16:15.43 | stew | sml: and lets you do stuff from the webpage like "hit the reset button" or "press and hold the power button" |
| 16:15.50 | bfk42 | since i dont have vpopmail libraries for php |
| 16:15.51 | PerfDave | BucWheat: What doesn't install comedi-source? |
| 16:15.54 | valdyn_ | adamh: /nod |
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| 16:15.59 | FieldySnuts | stew: that's slick |
| 16:16.00 | bfk42 | because my php version does not support them for security issues |
| 16:16.02 | stew | sml: but iirc the dl series didn't always have them |
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| 16:16.09 | thomas_adam | Peh. |
| 16:16.09 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman, Hmm? |
| 16:16.10 | sml | stew: unfortunately no spare rj45 |
| 16:16.13 | BucWheat | PerfDave when i do module-assistant auto-install comedi-source |
| 16:16.16 | bfk42 | i am trying to add email accounts manually |
| 16:16.18 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: sorry .. joke .. bad sense of humor |
| 16:16.24 | sml | stew: i wish it did though from what you describe! |
| 16:16.25 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman, s/bad/American/ |
| 16:16.28 | Phated | stew: Cool. |
| 16:16.29 | stew | FieldySnuts: yeah its pretty sweet. it gives you a java applet that gives you remote keyboard / console access even to the bios screens |
| 16:16.32 | BucWheat | PerfDave it says i need kernel-headers-2.4.27 which i do |
| 16:16.33 | thomas_adam | abrotman: That's 'humour' to you. |
| 16:16.35 | bfk42 | you see bucwheat |
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| 16:16.41 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam, it's not, really, is it. |
| 16:16.43 | abrotman | thomas_adam: don't make me make you fatty foods! |
| 16:16.47 | sml | stew: i guess i'll just have to go up to it and flip the power. |
| 16:16.48 | FieldySnuts | other than the java part, sounds cool |
| 16:16.49 | thomas_adam | Mmmmmm. |
| 16:16.52 | PerfDave | BucWheat: So when you install the kernel-headers-2.4.27 package, and run module-assistant again, what happens? |
| 16:16.56 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman, you have a habit of omitting. |
| 16:16.56 | abrotman | thomas_adam: did i show you the soup? |
| 16:17.02 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: no |
| 16:17.04 | thomas_adam | abrotman: No...show me. :) |
| 16:17.16 | abrotman | thomas_adam: /msg it? |
| 16:17.17 | sml | im pretty certain , or at least the admin tells me, there is nothing in there that even hints at write-through or any option even close to that. just "create raid 5" etc type options |
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| 16:17.29 | thomas_adam | abrotman: By all means. |
| 16:17.30 | sml | i guess its all pretty much transparent to linux.. |
| 16:17.46 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i very much want to try that |
| 16:18.13 | e2e | Hi i'm trying to install sarge, from net-inst CD, it boots, and starts installation but stops partitioning time. It creates ext3 file system but do nothing after it get %100, meanwhile Ctrl+Alt+F2 prints this message: No volume groups found Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... What could be the problem |
| 16:18.16 | Phated | The cheesh? |
| 16:18.19 | thomas_adam | Mmmmmmmm. |
| 16:18.20 | Phated | Er, cheese? |
| 16:18.24 | abrotman | Phated: yes |
| 16:18.27 | abrotman | thomas_adam: looks good no? |
| 16:18.32 | Phated | Any cheese is good cheese. |
| 16:18.33 | thomas_adam | Indeed it does. :) |
| 16:18.40 | abrotman | Phated: toe cheese? |
| 16:18.45 | petemc | smegma |
| 16:18.46 | ricky_clarkson | Dick cheese? |
| 16:18.47 | Phated | Isn't real cheese. |
| 16:18.50 | ricky_clarkson | Did I say that out loud? |
| 16:19.00 | adamh | valdyn_, quitte_: Thank you very much for your help :) |
| 16:19.01 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: No idea, your mic was off. |
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| 16:19.04 | PerfDave | e2e: You might want to ask on #debian-boot for Sarge installer problems. |
| 16:19.12 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i don't even like brocolli |
| 16:19.20 | e2e | PerfDave: Thanks... |
| 16:19.25 | abrotman | thomas_adam: no cup measuring cup ? |
| 16:19.28 | sml | stew: the smart array bios is very simple. only allows you to create a logial device of raid 0, 1 or 5. that;s about it. |
| 16:19.33 | Phated | AIEEE. |
| 16:19.41 | abrotman | !convert 1 cup to liter |
| 16:19.42 | dpkg | 1 cup is approximately 0.236588 liter |
| 16:19.45 | sml | stew: i dont think even the admin here could mess up somethig that simple. |
| 16:19.47 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 16:19.48 | abrotman | how do you guys measure dry goods ? |
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| 16:19.53 | PerfDave | e2e: But come back if they can't help, yeah? |
| 16:19.53 | greycat | a cup is 8 fluid ounces, half a pint. |
| 16:19.55 | bugged | hi ppl |
| 16:20.02 | bugged | need a little help here.. |
| 16:20.02 | sml | doesn't appear to be even the slightest bit of rope of which to hang onself |
| 16:20.03 | greycat | abrotman: usually by the pound |
| 16:20.13 | abrotman | erm .. that's not right |
| 16:20.16 | stew | greycat: can't use pint like that when talking to a brit... |
| 16:20.20 | abrotman | they want a quantity .. not a weight |
| 16:20.21 | BucWheat | PerfDave i finally get it running but it says configure failed. should i just hit continue ? |
| 16:20.24 | abrotman | oh well |
| 16:20.31 | thomas_adam | abrotman: We weigh them. I use pounds/ounces. Others use grammes. |
| 16:20.32 | greycat | abrotman: "42" |
| 16:20.38 | BucWheat | checking for Linux 2.4 make flags... configure: error: ¦ |
| 16:20.38 | BucWheat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.38 | BucWheat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.38 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Uhm, read the rest of the error log to see why configure failed, try to fix it? |
| 16:20.41 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i'd be very interested to know how it is |
| 16:20.44 | Phated | abrotman: By weight, I think. |
| 16:20.49 | bugged | i can't get kismet working on a Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 16:20.51 | e2e | PerfDave: I've asked, and i'm waiting for reply, but it seems nobody will reply me... :( |
| 16:20.52 | Phated | grammes over all. |
| 16:20.53 | abrotman | greycat: grand moff tarkin! |
| 16:21.00 | greycat | abrotman: if you want volume of dry goods like flour/sugar, you can use teaspoons, tablespoons, cups, etc. |
| 16:21.02 | BucWheat | PerfDave scroll up i pasted what was in error log |
| 16:21.04 | PerfDave | BucWheat: I'd go into your kernel-headers source and type "make dep" |
| 16:21.05 | asg | bugged: have you checked kismetwireless.net for compatibility? |
| 16:21.14 | BucWheat | k |
| 16:21.16 | thomas_adam | Even then, we still _weigh_ them. |
| 16:21.18 | bugged | asg: yes... |
| 16:21.34 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Look in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.* |
| 16:21.39 | abrotman | thomas_adam: hmm .. well .. let me know how it is .. but i fear it will not come close to kaniddles or boston creme pie |
| 16:21.48 | bugged | asg: do you know another good wireless sniffer? |
| 16:21.50 | thomas_adam | Ah, BCP! |
| 16:21.50 | abrotman | thomas_adam: or even perhaps pecan rolls :) |
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| 16:22.00 | BucWheat | PerfDave when i do so i get no such file or directory Stop! |
| 16:22.02 | bugged | like... i can't find any AP and i'm surround of it |
| 16:22.03 | asg | bugged: if kismet doesn't work, you are likely out of luck. |
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| 16:22.07 | sml | ok im gonna re-run the query and do what greycat said.. vmstat, top, check /dev/proc/dev etc etc |
| 16:22.09 | PerfDave | BucWheat: When you do what? |
| 16:22.12 | asg | bugged: btw, are you using intel's driver or ndiswrapper? |
| 16:22.17 | sml | Thanks for all your ideas.. I guess I'm on my own now. |
| 16:22.22 | asg | bugged: the latter doesn't and probably never will work with kismet. |
| 16:22.43 | bugged | i'm using ipw2200 |
| 16:22.44 | Jrz | sml, do you need the 2disk-space of the 3 disks? |
| 16:22.51 | BucWheat | PerfDave type make dep in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 16:23.01 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you really going to try it? |
| 16:23.16 | shingoki | ok can someone help me with this wacom thing? it seems that the wacom.c provided by sarge wacom stuff is mussing some functions, this seems really bizarre |
| 16:23.25 | shingoki | *missing |
| 16:23.26 | bugged | asg: but i should at least connect with kwifimanager |
| 16:23.37 | bugged | but he can't find any AP |
| 16:23.39 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Hmm, that's odd. I'm afraid I don't think I can help you any further, since I've not done this myself. But I think that module-assistant is the way to go - try looking for a module-assistant mailing list to ask for help? |
| 16:23.46 | sml | Jrz: what do you mean exactly ? DO i need the full capacity of three disks you mean ? If you implying not using raid 5 I had already thought about that, and even recommended it this morning in the meeting we had.. but they said leave it on raid 5. |
| 16:23.50 | bugged | and on windows i have at least 10 of it |
| 16:23.54 | BucWheat | PerfDave k |
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| 16:24.00 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Gotta run now anyway, sorry. |
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| 16:24.01 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Yes, but it wont be for the next few weeks yet. I really have tried all the recipes you have sent me thus far. |
| 16:24.10 | abrotman | thomas_adam: and the best was? |
| 16:24.16 | BucWheat | PerfDave np. thanks for all of your help |
| 16:24.16 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Pecan rolls. :P |
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| 16:24.28 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Best of luck |
| 16:24.32 | abrotman | thomas_adam: though .. i must say .. i've not tried this ... but it looks good |
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| 16:24.48 | mooded | hi all.. anybody knows how one can get information about a mounted cdrom / dvd -media in debian ? like there is some cd-id-string, the title and size and so on ? |
| 16:25.08 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i'd also like to make some NE clam chowder :) |
| 16:25.16 | asg | bugged: try 'iwlist <interface> scan' |
| 16:25.29 | Evon150 | how do i remove kde ,unistal it |
| 16:25.41 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 16:25.44 | abrotman | !uninstall kde |
| 16:25.48 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:25.51 | dvs | !remove kde |
| 16:25.51 | dpkg | from memory, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 16:25.53 | bugged | :| |
| 16:25.55 | bugged | wlan Interface doesn't support scanning. |
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| 16:25.55 | Jenns | Anyone know a program that can split up a single terminal into two terminals? sorta like vi or ytalk? |
| 16:25.59 | bugged | shi*t |
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| 16:26.05 | stew | Jenns: screen |
| 16:26.09 | dikdust | hi |
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| 16:26.23 | bugged | i can't understand why this is happening |
| 16:26.46 | abrotman | *cough*PEBCAK*cough* |
| 16:26.48 | abrotman | sorry |
| 16:27.02 | Jenns | stew: screen can do that? cool, *goes of to read the man page* |
| 16:27.11 | PerfDave | Jenns: ^a S |
| 16:27.16 | stew | Jenns: ^a S |
| 16:27.16 | bugged | one:/home/bugged# iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 16:27.16 | bugged | wlan0 No scan results |
| 16:27.16 | bugged | one:/home/bugged# |
| 16:27.18 | thomas_adam | mooded: http://linuxgazette.net/issue74/tag/7.html |
| 16:27.27 | dbron | screen is the coolest of cool |
| 16:27.27 | Jenns | ta stew, PerfDave :-) |
| 16:27.34 | Phated | PerfDave: And how does one undo it? |
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| 16:27.41 | PerfDave | Phated: Buggered if I know ;) |
| 16:27.45 | Phated | Bother. |
| 16:27.46 | wee | anybody has build xbase-clients before apt-get source -b xbase-clients? |
| 16:27.48 | Evon150 | thanks abrot, why did i try paste/copy that text from this computer to my laptop :S |
| 16:27.55 | thomas_adam | Jenns: see 'splitvt', also. |
| 16:27.57 | stew | Phated: you go "crap i can't remember" then you go ^a ? :) |
| 16:27.59 | bugged | asg: can' find nothing :S |
| 16:28.16 | Phated | stew: Heh. |
| 16:28.17 | Jenns | thomas_adam: Ok, I'm inclided to use the screen solution though |
| 16:28.21 | dikdust | Is possible to tell apt-get to not install a deb that I have compiled ? |
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| 16:28.29 | ricky_clarkson | dikdust, hold it. |
| 16:28.31 | abrotman | dikdust: yes |
| 16:28.32 | stew | Phated: ^a Q |
| 16:28.33 | thomas_adam | Jenns: Still check it out, as a matter of curiosity. |
| 16:28.39 | WillR | Anyone know of a debian guide anywhere for MRTG ? |
| 16:28.39 | Jenns | thomas_adam: ok :-) |
| 16:28.40 | stew | Phated: ^a <tab> to switch focus |
| 16:28.48 | dikdust | man apt-get ? |
| 16:28.48 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 16:28.48 | dpkg | hmm... equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/* |
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| 16:29.15 | Malice961 | i have a simple question, i donwload the source files for kernel 2.6.8.1 , decompress them , and i always seem to be missing the version.h file, where can i get this file for kernel 2.6.8.1 so i can get this stupid thing working |
| 16:29.18 | jethro | screen splitting is awesome |
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| 16:29.23 | Phated | stew: Well... Even if my screen looks like hell now... |
| 16:29.26 | jethro | I wish there wass a vertical split tho |
| 16:29.36 | jethro | Phated: once you're used to it, it kicks ass |
| 16:30.25 | stew | jethro: code it up, submit a patch! :) |
| 16:30.25 | Phated | jethro: I'm sure. How does one close one of the splits, then? |
| 16:30.25 | jethro | Phated: ^a Q |
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| 16:30.25 | Jrz | sml, http://www.baarf.com/ |
| 16:30.25 | Phated | jethro: Thank you. |
| 16:30.25 | thomas_adam | Phated: RTFM. |
| 16:30.25 | fernando | a question... |
| 16:30.25 | jethro | Phated: ass stew just said :) |
| 16:30.25 | WillR | (Malice961): apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 ? tar -vxjf kernel-2.6.8.tar.gz |
| 16:30.28 | thomas_adam | !tell fernando -about ask |
| 16:30.29 | jethro | s/ss/s |
| 16:30.33 | stew | jethro: don't call me ass stew! |
| 16:30.34 | Phated | thomas_adam: I ought to, really. |
| 16:30.38 | jethro | stew: typo :p |
| 16:30.54 | mooded | thanks thomas_adam :) |
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| 16:31.01 | Malice961 | willr: thats the thing, i have done that exact thing about 5 times now..... |
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| 16:31.10 | jethro | stew: mind if I just file a bug for the wishlist instead of coding it? :) |
| 16:31.17 | WillR | ive never had a problem with apt-getting it.. |
| 16:31.37 | fernando | i am tried to install Sarge in a Sony Vaio... when start to install the base system show me the error: debootstrat error, return 2 |
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| 16:32.16 | WillR | (fernando): bad cd? bad burn? bad cdrom? |
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| 16:32.19 | thomas_adam | fernando: Ask in #debain-boot |
| 16:32.43 | drac | fernando did something so bad, he needs () ? :/ |
| 16:33.00 | fernando | with the same CD i installed in another machine and works fine |
| 16:33.12 | WillR | ide cable? |
| 16:33.19 | WillR | ive had that prblem many times |
| 16:33.22 | WillR | i had it this morning... |
| 16:33.27 | WillR | chagned cdrom.. works now.. |
| 16:33.47 | sml | stew, greycat , Jrz you may be interested in what i've just read : http://www.quest-pipelines.com/newsletter-v2/linux2.htm |
| 16:33.51 | netsurfer | just done a fresh install of sarge on a dual processor machine, does the kernel have smp enabled as standard or do I need to recompile ? |
| 16:34.04 | sml | basically ext3 runs like a dawgggggg when using Oracle. |
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| 16:34.29 | sml | netsurfer: you can check the .config to see if its set to "Y".. |
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| 16:34.31 | petemc | netsurfer: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:34.57 | netsurfer | :( thx.. just 1 running at the mo |
| 16:35.00 | stew | sml: what do they recommend instead? |
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| 16:35.12 | sml | ext2 or raw |
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| 16:35.30 | sml | but there are limitations on using raw devices.. and other things to take into account |
| 16:35.31 | WillR | (Malice961): start over... follow this ..http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm except subsitie 6 for 8 |
| 16:35.46 | sml | its amzing just how much ext2 is over ext3... on an oracle system. |
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| 16:36.07 | Phated | WillR: Why are you using the -j option for a gzipped tarball? |
| 16:36.09 | jp|work | i've been reading around google trying to figure out how to make exim listen on a custom port, daemon_smtp_port supposedly is the option, but when i add it to `update-exim4.conf.conf' and run update-exim4.conf i get errors about it. any ideas on what i'm doing wrong? |
| 16:36.12 | abrotman | who is -mm on kernels ? |
| 16:36.27 | jethro | abrotman: andrew morton? |
| 16:36.34 | abrotman | is he? ... |
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| 16:36.55 | nevyn | abrotman: a kernel developer? |
| 16:36.57 | petemc | jp|work: im not sure if thats the file you're supposed to edit, tho i dont use debconf to manage exim, check with exim -bP |
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| 16:37.02 | WillR | im not sure if thats how its zipped i was just gving example.. i dont rememebr if the source comes packd that way |
| 16:37.54 | jethro | abrotman: I think so |
| 16:38.04 | WillR | its tar.bz2 |
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| 16:38.22 | Phated | In which case -j would work, but nevermind. |
| 16:38.59 | jp|work | petemc: there is no option for setting the port in the exim configuration presented by debian, atleast that i saw |
| 16:39.03 | shingoki | is kernel 2.6.8 missing wacom_intuos_inout? |
| 16:39.09 | CSWookie | I rebooted my computer yesterday, and now I can't insert my ndiswrapper module. I get "Operation not permitted." I'd done a few apt-get upgrades before the reboot. Is it possible that I upgraded modutils to a version that doesn't work with the module? Could I fix it by recompiling the module? |
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| 16:39.18 | jp|work | which is why i'm trying to add it myself, with no luck |
| 16:39.21 | simonrvn | jp|work: hence the need for an editor ;) |
| 16:39.29 | CSWookie | I'm using kernel 2.6.9, on sid, btw. |
| 16:39.47 | Jrz | sml, thanks intersting |
| 16:39.48 | simonrvn | apt-get install exim4-doc-html |
| 16:39.49 | petemc | jp|work: then your best bet is to copy /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated to /etc/exim4/exim4.conf , edit that and restart exim |
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| 16:40.12 | jp|work | alright, thanks. |
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| 16:40.36 | Unified | hi |
| 16:40.42 | Unified | anyone here's using debmirror? |
| 16:40.51 | simonrvn | petemc: -rw-r--r-- 1 root mail 8.9K 2003-12-01 03:07 /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated ;) |
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| 16:41.03 | petemc | simonrvn: mmm? |
| 16:41.13 | simonrvn | petemc: check the last mod date |
| 16:41.34 | petemc | simonrvn: do you use that file? |
| 16:41.41 | simonrvn | no :) |
| 16:41.44 | petemc | obviously not :) |
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| 16:42.03 | sanso | !tell petemc about polls |
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| 16:42.13 | simonrvn | it's probably not even close to what the current running one looks like |
| 16:42.25 | petemc | sanso: thats great, thanks |
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| 16:42.37 | kombi | anyone here know his way around the windows registry? |
| 16:43.01 | kombi | or maybe point me somewhere.. |
| 16:43.08 | stew | kombi: lay off the dope |
| 16:43.09 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.10 | Malice961 | it keeps telling me that " kernel source is already at newest version " |
| 16:43.23 | kombi | stew: lol |
| 16:43.25 | Malice961 | yet its not there |
| 16:43.31 | asg | kombi: #windows |
| 16:43.42 | kombi | asg: been there, all empty.. |
| 16:43.47 | simonrvn | talk about off-topic |
| 16:43.55 | asg | kombi: then utilize Microsoft's fine support |
| 16:43.57 | stew | Malice961: it should be in a .tar.bz2 in /usr/src/ |
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| 16:44.03 | kombi | asg: lol .. |
| 16:44.06 | dvs | on freenet? Why am I not surprised? |
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| 16:44.13 | sanso | petemc, sorry, shoul have been Unified .. |
| 16:44.13 | dikdust | abrotman: damn I haven't thought that !equivs was for me :P |
| 16:44.20 | simonrvn | freenode =) |
| 16:44.21 | Malice961 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.25 | abrotman | dikdust: oh .. yes .. sorry . it was |
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| 16:44.42 | Malice961 | and i removed the other old one..... |
| 16:44.50 | stew | Malice961: --reinstall |
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| 16:45.06 | kombi | just don't know where to find blokes that write windows apps.. |
| 16:45.09 | samuel | sup all |
| 16:45.13 | Malice961 | a complete reinstall? |
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| 16:45.20 | Malice961 | as in the WHOLE DAMN thing? |
| 16:45.31 | simonrvn | what? |
| 16:45.32 | samuel | anyone know what package i need for a 4470c HP scanner under linux? |
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| 16:45.42 | asg | samuel: sane I would expect |
| 16:45.44 | stew | Malice961: the whole dame thing is just re downloading the .tar.bz2 you deleted |
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| 16:46.02 | stew | Malice961: i mena --reinstall argument to apt-get (man apt-get) |
| 16:46.33 | Malice961 | i thought you ment a OS reinstall |
| 16:46.48 | samuel | asg, sane doesnt find it, so im thinking about some backend, but in google i cant find what one |
| 16:46.55 | dikdust | np lost only 10 minutes :P |
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| 16:47.00 | asg | samuel: oh, hmmm |
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| 16:47.49 | jetscreamer | hp released some stuff recently, dunno if it would help but it's for linux... said it would do my 4-1in-1 officejet |
| 16:48.04 | Malice961 | it isnt finding a .tar.bz2, |
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| 16:48.29 | samuel | asg, sane-project doesnt even list my scanner!!! |
| 16:49.57 | toresbe | samuel: justfuckinggoogleit.com |
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| 16:50.21 | Malice961 | okay, when i apt-cache search kernel-source | grep 2.6.8 it comes up with 2 files, the patches for the kernel, and the kernel its self.... |
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| 16:50.45 | jetscreamer | the kernel comes in .bz2 format |
| 16:50.51 | jetscreamer | when it gets d/l'd |
| 16:50.55 | jetscreamer | then you tar xvjf it |
| 16:51.01 | Malice961 | when i try to apt-get install the kernel sources, it tells me the kernel is already updated to current |
| 16:51.17 | jetscreamer | install --reinstall then |
| 16:51.17 | jethro | Malice961: ls /usr/src/*.bz2 |
| 16:51.21 | samuel | toresbe, i justfuckingdid several times |
| 16:51.50 | jetscreamer | samuel, hp.com no joy eh |
| 16:51.55 | Malice961 | install --reinsall.... i dont get that? |
| 16:52.04 | jetscreamer | why not |
| 16:52.12 | jethro | Malice961: man apt-get, then apt-get --reintall install |
| 16:52.14 | jetscreamer | apt-get install --reinstall kernel-blah |
| 16:52.19 | jethro | Malice961: man apt-get, then apt-get --reinstall install |
| 16:52.38 | toresbe | samuel: Still, learn google better, I think it's well supported |
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| 16:52.58 | samuel | jetscreamer, im looking, but no, its no joy |
| 16:53.07 | jetscreamer | apt-get install life didn't work :( |
| 16:53.15 | jetscreamer | i stil have no life |
| 16:53.20 | jethro | don't you have kids? |
| 16:53.37 | Malice961 | its not understanding the command |
| 16:53.42 | jethro | Malice961: pebcak |
| 16:53.53 | jetscreamer | Malice961, as root |
| 16:54.15 | jetscreamer | Malice961, also, it's not kernel-blah, you're supposed to change blah to what it's supposed to be |
| 16:54.15 | gboutwel1 | I have debian sarge/testing, gcc is 'broke' in it. I've apt-get update and apt-get updated. I think that's what caused it. when I go to do most compiles I get gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory |
| 16:54.24 | Malice961 | as root... |
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| 16:54.35 | Malice961 | yeah i know that part. |
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| 16:55.15 | Malice961 | to install the stupid ATI drivers, i aint recompiling shit.... just trying to make a driver module |
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| 16:55.19 | jetscreamer | jethro, yes... no adventures for me. |
| 16:55.25 | nome | hi |
| 16:55.39 | jethro | Malice961: you have the debian kernel image at the moment? |
| 16:55.46 | Malice961 | o |
| 16:55.48 | Malice961 | err no |
| 16:55.48 | jethro | if yes,just get the kernel-headers matching your image |
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| 16:55.58 | jethro | Malice961: what is your current kernel? a custom one? |
| 16:56.00 | nomed | i'm trying to understand a step explained on the parted man |
| 16:56.11 | nomed | http://nopaste.phpfi.com/50612 |
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| 16:56.33 | nomed | i really can't understand the 4th step |
| 16:56.35 | stew | Malice961: if you are just compiling some third party drivers, you should ust need the kernel-headers package for your running kernel |
| 16:56.44 | nomed | could you help me? |
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| 16:56.51 | jethro | nomed: /j #parted |
| 16:57.01 | nomed | ok |
| 16:57.13 | jetscreamer | parted isn't great for ext3 i hear, no idea |
| 16:57.17 | jethro | yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 16:57.20 | jethro | week end time! |
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| 16:57.24 | Noid | is there a way to make a usb flash pendrive bootable under debian? |
| 16:57.37 | jetscreamer | yes but i don't know how |
| 16:57.40 | jethro | Noid: it's a bios thing, not really a debian thing |
| 16:57.46 | njan | Noid, have a look at feather linux. |
| 16:57.47 | Malice961 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.50 | gboutwel1 | I have debian sarge/testing, when I go to do most compiles I get gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory |
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| 16:58.10 | dvs | !b-e gboutwel1 |
| 16:58.11 | dpkg | gboutwel1: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:58.14 | mannyto | Hi guys, i got some problem starting mi win2k, i install debian sarge with 2.4.27-speakup kernel |
| 16:58.18 | jetscreamer | Malice961, yes i read that there are some times when the headers won't work |
| 16:58.20 | jethro | speakup? |
| 16:58.26 | jetscreamer | er some driver modules that is |
| 16:58.27 | jethro | wtf is that speakup you're talking about? |
| 16:58.32 | gboutwel1 | I've apt-get --reinstall install gcc-3.3 cpp-3.3 build-essentials till I'm blue in the face and it still doesn't work |
| 16:58.44 | Noid | jethro: njan: but does the flash need something special or is it 100% a bios thing? i mean, like a special filesystem or something |
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| 16:58.46 | jasz | hello |
| 16:58.49 | Phated | gboutwel1: build-essential, no s. |
| 16:58.51 | gboutwel1 | I've even apt-get clean between them |
| 16:58.55 | jethro | Noid: you just need a bootsector on it |
| 16:58.57 | jetscreamer | it's build-essential, not essentials |
| 16:58.58 | gboutwel1 | Phated: that's what I meant |
| 16:59.03 | jethro | Noid: and the bios to be able to boot on usb devices |
| 16:59.07 | jethro | Noid: it's all I'd say |
| 16:59.20 | Noid | jethro: the bios can boot usb cdroms |
| 16:59.28 | WillR | anyone know where i can get a guie on how to setup MRTG in debian??? |
| 16:59.30 | jethro | Noid: then try it with the flash and tell us |
| 16:59.31 | gboutwel1 | dpkg -l | grep build-essential reutrn ii build-essentia 10.1 |
| 16:59.32 | dpkg | grep build-essential reutrn ii build-essentia 10.1 1.2-14.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:59.33 | jethro | !anyone |
| 16:59.33 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 16:59.33 | WillR | guide* |
| 16:59.55 | jethro | WillR: usually /usr/share/doc/<package>/* is a good start |
| 17:00.04 | Noid | jethro: hehe i will as soon as it's done |
| 17:00.08 | gboutwel1 | I run dpkg -l | grep build-essential reutrn ii build-essentia 10.1 |
| 17:00.08 | jasz | i'm trying to mount a windows share on my debian machine... I did mount -t smbfs //winpc/share /mnt ... i prompts me for a password.. but i dont use passwords on the winXP machine... so I hit "enter" and then it mounts the share.. but when I try to ls -al /mnt .. i get a "permission denied" message .. and I am root.. what could the problem be? do i need to set up something on the windows machine? |
| 17:00.18 | jetscreamer | gboutwel1, there are 2 options i can think of. remove --purge && install, or man dpkg --force-help and look for what you need.. is it a config filie? |
| 17:00.41 | jethro | jasz: #samba |
| 17:00.44 | gboutwel1 | jetscreamer: I don't know what's causing gcc to do this. |
| 17:00.57 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 17:01.00 | jasz | jethro, .. thanks :) |
| 17:01.04 | jetscreamer | beyond me then. |
| 17:01.10 | jethro | jasz: you're more then welcome |
| 17:01.31 | greycat | gboutwel1: what does "locate cc1" tell you? |
| 17:01.36 | gboutwel1 | jetscreamer: I'd like way to force the removal of those packages without totally hosing my system... Is there away to remove the packages (but not any of the other packages claiming it as a dependancy? |
| 17:01.50 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 17:02.08 | jetscreamer | there is, but you're not supposed to :) |
| 17:02.17 | jetscreamer | man dpkg --force-help |
| 17:02.19 | greycat | gboutwel1: because... for *me* it says /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/cc1 and when I run a "dpkg -S" on that file, I see that it's *not* in any of the 3 packages you just named as your --reinstall candidates. |
| 17:02.22 | jetscreamer | byebye tabbuddy |
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| 17:02.55 | jetscreamer | 486? is that 64bit or a 486? |
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| 17:03.01 | asg | jethro: have a good day |
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| 17:03.06 | greycat | jetscreamer: it's a straight i386 sarge box. |
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| 17:04.03 | gboutwel1 | greycat : locate returns the /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-lib/3.3.5/cc1 like yours |
| 17:04.06 | jetscreamer | heh i got one too |
| 17:04.10 | greycat | gboutwel1: now use "dpkg -S" on that. |
| 17:04.24 | jetscreamer | ok so apt-file it |
| 17:04.27 | jetscreamer | or that |
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| 17:04.32 | gboutwel1 | greycat: Odd. I used packages.debian.org to search of cc1 and that's the package it said was for that file. |
| 17:04.41 | gboutwel1 | greycat: I'll try dpkg -S and see. |
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| 17:05.08 | jetscreamer | speaking of, did the libgcc1 borkedness in sid get fixed and apt now gets updated? |
| 17:05.13 | Albacker | guys I got ppp working in my debian woody. all I did was apt-get remove ppp and apt-get install ppp :D |
| 17:05.25 | greycat | gboutwel1: you probably forgot to change it to 'testing' on the p.d.o form. |
| 17:05.27 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 17:05.35 | gboutwel1 | greycat: says cpp-3.3 |
| 17:05.40 | jasz | jethro, .. #samba smells like a western ghost town :S |
| 17:05.40 | gboutwel1 | which is one I named |
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| 17:06.00 | greycat | gboutwel1: oh, sorry. I must have misread. |
| 17:06.09 | DanC | ugh... F keys on this Logitech Internet Navigator aren't working... keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 247 |
| 17:06.12 | greycat | gboutwel1: well... does that file actually exist on your disk? |
| 17:06.19 | DanC | googling shows few clues |
| 17:06.31 | gboutwel1 | greycat: cc1? or cpp-3.3 ? |
| 17:06.35 | greycat | gboutwel1: the *file*. |
| 17:07.10 | gboutwel1 | greycat: Yes, cc1 is in fact in the directory locate says it is. |
| 17:07.17 | burd | small question: I am on a dialup and it appears that my ISP's entire range of dialup ip's is blocked from viewing the debian.org site.. I can view it from any of my servers with lynx but not locally on my dialup.. Any suggestions as to how I may be able to find out how and why it is blocked and possibly a way to get it unblocked? |
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| 17:07.49 | greycat | burd: what makes you think it's blocked? |
| 17:08.02 | greycat | gboutwel1: what's the first line of output for "gcc -v"? |
| 17:08.10 | jetscreamer | DanC, is that a mouse or what |
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| 17:08.12 | greycat | should be "reading specs from..." |
| 17:08.22 | jetscreamer | oh nm fkeys |
| 17:08.30 | DanC | no a USB keyboard, jetscreamer |
| 17:08.33 | burd | greycat: because I haven't been able to view the site form here since I got the dialup.. it finds the DNS entry, acts like it is going to connect and times out |
| 17:08.42 | gboutwel1 | greycat: Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486/3.3.5/specs |
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| 17:09.24 | greycat | gboutwel1: very strange. |
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| 17:09.36 | greycat | gboutwel1: just for grins did you try reinstalling "gcc" also? |
| 17:09.46 | gboutwel1 | greycat: You're telling me |
| 17:09.46 | stew | burd: try http://www.xx.debian.org where xx is a country code (like de, us, uk,...) |
| 17:10.08 | gboutwel1 | greycat: I think i've tried about everything compile releated with --reinstall install |
| 17:10.16 | gboutwel1 | Including most the meta-packages |
| 17:10.22 | gboutwel1 | Very frusrating |
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| 17:10.33 | gboutwel1 | I even tried a different repository/mirror and same thing |
| 17:11.14 | burd | stew: same thing.. website fount, connecting, time out |
| 17:11.23 | burd | found^ |
| 17:11.30 | noid2 | do users like man and deamon sync sys or mysql have a password ...out of curiosity ? |
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| 17:11.54 | stew | burd: try a different browser maybe, or restarting the current browser |
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| 17:12.22 | ricky_clarkson | noid2, not by default. Look in /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd for an encrypted password. I think you should see !!, meaning that the account has no password (but you can't log in as them). |
| 17:12.36 | burd | stew: tried firefox, lynx, etc etc.. I cant connect to that server |
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| 17:13.25 | greycat | gboutwel1: the next thing *I* would try would be "strace -s 512 -o /tmp/log gcc -c hello.c" (where hello.c is just hello, world) and then read through the strace log file to see where it's screwing up. But nobody here is going to want to read it *for* you. It's pretty challenging. |
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| 17:13.49 | Spec | What does strace do? |
| 17:13.55 | JohnFlux | man strace |
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| 17:14.15 | Spec | oh |
| 17:14.16 | gboutwel1 | greycat: That's the odd thing about it. I've done a gcc helloworld.c and it compiles. but an make vmlinux in a kernel tree doesn't |
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| 17:14.33 | JohnFlux | Spec: see also ptrace |
| 17:14.42 | ricky_clarkson | echo man strace > /bin/strace; chmod +x /bin/strace |
| 17:14.47 | ricky_clarkson | I see. |
| 17:14.58 | greycat | gboutwel1: oh! |
| 17:15.01 | gboutwel1 | greycat: That's why I said somethings won't compile |
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| 17:15.13 | greycat | gboutwel1: well... what's the difference between a file that works and one that doesnt? |
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| 17:15.31 | gboutwel1 | greycat: Not sure |
| 17:15.40 | zinx | gboutwel1: what error does it fail with? |
| 17:16.05 | Noid | greycat: the working one is more edified |
| 17:16.07 | gboutwel1 | zinx: gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': no such file or directory |
| 17:16.10 | jetscreamer | version mismatch maybe |
| 17:16.23 | zinx | gboutwel1: your system is screwed |
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| 17:16.39 | gboutwel1 | zinx: Ok... How do I un-screw it? |
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| 17:17.00 | bfk42 | i have a directory called 'domains' at '/home/vpopmail/' |
| 17:17.04 | zinx | gboutwel1: i don't know, i've never seen that particular problem before |
| 17:17.07 | bfk42 | the user of this directory is vpopmail |
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| 17:17.18 | zinx | gboutwel1: especially not in a debian system :/ |
| 17:17.26 | greycat | gboutwel1: that has GOT to be something in your Makefile that's causing it. |
| 17:17.31 | bfk42 | i want my php ( which has the user id www-data ) can create folders in that directory |
| 17:17.37 | gboutwel1 | zinx: I see, I haven't either. |
| 17:17.38 | greycat | gboutwel1: what is the ACTUAL command it's running that causes that error? |
| 17:17.38 | bfk42 | since php does not sudo |
| 17:17.59 | greycat | (if you say you're building linux 2.6 and it doesn't tell you the commands, I shall point and laugh.) |
| 17:18.02 | gboutwel1 | greycat: Hang on I'm running make V=1 vmlinux now |
| 17:18.08 | bfk42 | how can i configure debian to enable php write in that dir? |
| 17:18.23 | greycat | bfk42: man chown; man chmod |
| 17:18.38 | bfk42 | ok greycat |
| 17:18.47 | bfk42 | when i chown -R www-data domains directory |
| 17:18.53 | bfk42 | imap server does not let me in |
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| 17:19.14 | greycat | bfk42: did I say to use -R? No, I said to read the man pages. |
| 17:19.49 | bfk42 | ok |
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| 17:20.11 | guestish | hallo |
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| 17:21.14 | dazedyugo | hello all |
| 17:21.38 | noid2 | man needs to learn dummy english .. or maybe i need to learn mans supreme language |
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| 17:22.03 | dazedyugo | i just installed cups and it's running but for some reason I can't connect to it on localhost:631 ... lpstat -v and lpinfo -v also report "Unable to connect to server: Connection refused" but cupsd is running |
| 17:22.11 | wye | hi all |
| 17:22.25 | asg | dazedyugo: how are you trying to connect to it on localhost:631? |
| 17:22.41 | dazedyugo | asg: via web browser |
| 17:23.00 | dazedyugo | asg: web browser says connection refused |
| 17:23.02 | asg | dazedyugo: look in /var/log/cups* and see if anything interesting is listed |
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| 17:23.56 | dazedyugo | asg: i've been monitoring cups_error and it doesn't show any problems ... it even shows how it's adding printers it discovers on the network |
| 17:24.18 | asg | dazedyugo: does netstat -ntl list 631 as a listening port? |
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| 17:24.49 | dazedyugo | asg: yes it does; 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 17:24.54 | wye | im using woody, kernel 2.6.9, and i wanna write a cd, i had read that i dont need scsi emulation, so i compile it like a ide-cd, but when i use the cdrecord it says: cdrecord: Read-only file system. Cannot open '/dev/hdc'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 17:24.58 | wye | some idea? |
| 17:25.14 | asg | dazedyugo: hmmf. Does 'telnet localhost 631' also say connection refused? |
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| 17:25.29 | caphuso | dazedyugo: and what does "ping -c1 localhost | head -1 |
| 17:25.29 | dazedyugo | asg: yes it does |
| 17:25.33 | caphuso | " say? |
| 17:25.40 | bfk42 | greycat |
| 17:25.51 | dazedyugo | caphuso: PING localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1): 56 data bytes |
| 17:25.56 | greycat | bfk42: just change the ownership of the ONE directory you want to write to, NOT the entire thing. |
| 17:26.06 | asg | dazedyugo: then stop the service and restart it and check the error log. |
| 17:26.12 | bfk42 | greycat |
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| 17:26.19 | bfk42 | when i change the owner of the directory |
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| 17:26.26 | bfk42 | imap does not allow me in from web |
| 17:26.37 | asg | dazedyugo: also, use fuser -v 631/tcp (and make sure the pid listed is in fact the cupsys daemon and not, say 'mug-o-teh-foaming-ale-d' |
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| 17:26.43 | dazedyugo | asg: that's what I've been doing and there's no mention of any problems |
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| 17:27.02 | gboutwel1 | Hey all, thanks for all your help. Not a debian issue |
| 17:27.04 | fez | Hello, How do I upgrade to a package from unstable when my basic setup is set to use stable? |
| 17:27.13 | caphuso | fez: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:27.15 | dazedyugo | asg: this is what fuser says: 631/tcp root 6562 f.... cupsd |
| 17:27.16 | greycat | gboutwel1: haha |
| 17:27.55 | caphuso | dazedyugo: does "telnet localhost.localdomain 631" work? |
| 17:27.57 | asg | dazedyugo: then it's gone loopy unless ... (your browser is actually the one on the same machine as cupsd and not, say, another machine?) |
| 17:28.04 | dazedyugo | caphuso: no it does not |
| 17:28.23 | dazedyugo | asg: I'm working at the machine that cups is running on |
| 17:28.28 | greycat | caphuso: wrong question. "What does it say?" works better. |
| 17:28.30 | asg | dazedyugo: just making sure. |
| 17:28.30 | gboutwel1 | Extremely sorry for wasting ya'lls time |
| 17:28.31 | fez | caphuso> Thanks, I'll try that route |
| 17:28.33 | burd | conexant d480 mdc v.9x modem << any suggestions on what net driver to use for this before I start? |
| 17:28.45 | caphuso | greycat: good point |
| 17:28.48 | jetscreamer | when are they going to fix the damn update, i hate it when it's stupid. |
| 17:28.52 | jetscreamer | apt depends on libgcc1 (>= 4.0) |
| 17:28.53 | dazedyugo | caphuso: Trying 127.0.0.1.. telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 17:28.56 | stew | gboutwel1: out of curiosity, what was the problem? |
| 17:29.06 | greycat | stew: I'm guessing "locally installed copy of gcc in /usr/local" |
| 17:29.09 | burd | oops wrong device lol |
| 17:29.11 | Noid | burd: good luck, that's quite possibly a winmodem |
| 17:29.26 | jetscreamer | linmodems.org |
| 17:29.26 | burd | Noid: yah need nic not modem 1 sec |
| 17:29.40 | guestish | cruel cruel! |
| 17:29.41 | gboutwel1 | stew: I have a cross compiler... mingw and for some reason it's getting chosen instead of the native gcc. |
| 17:30.01 | jetscreamer | alternatives? |
| 17:30.05 | burd | broadcam 440x 10/100 integrated controller <<< looking for advice for net driver for this sorry about confusion |
| 17:30.12 | gboutwel1 | stew: but only when I use the make for the project, if i go into the kernel tree myself and run make it chooses the right one |
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| 17:30.29 | greycat | burd: use sarge. pray. |
| 17:30.35 | asg | dazedyugo: did you fool with /etc/cups/cupsd.conf? (check that localhost is indeed allowed as it is by default (the <Location> directives at the bottom of the file.)) |
| 17:30.40 | burd | greycat: thanks |
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| 17:30.46 | gboutwel1 | jetscreamer: Not likely, It's no an installed package.. It's an built from source mingw |
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| 17:31.13 | guestish | gboutwel1: you have a lot of issues with linux in windows dont you... |
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| 17:31.29 | dazedyugo | asg: Location is ... Allow From 127.0.0.1 |
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| 17:31.48 | gboutwel1 | guestish: Not really... This is the first real problem I've had. |
| 17:31.59 | guestish | gboutwel1: other than the cc1 error, right? |
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| 17:32.24 | asg | dazedyugo: did you edit it though, or is that how it was installed? (just curious) |
| 17:32.45 | gboutwel1 | guestish: this is an makefile/environment variable problem... |
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| 17:32.48 | jeaneid | I added an xemacs launcher in the gnome panel. But once it launched it does not repsect either .bashrc or .bash_profile. I needed to read these files becuase of path exports. any idea |
| 17:33.07 | dazedyugo | asg: I just changed it to say Allow From All and it still doesn't work ... When it was installed right out of the box, it wasn't working. So I tried changing the Port 631 line to say Listen localhost:631, neither of which worked. |
| 17:33.07 | guestish | im talking about yesterday, unless that was someone else |
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| 17:33.20 | guestish | which i doubt it was |
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| 17:33.38 | asg | dazedyugo: does /var/log/cups/access_log show you trying to connect? |
| 17:33.59 | jetscreamer | i was bitching about apt depends on libgcc1 (>= 4.0) |
| 17:34.03 | dazedyugo | asg: there is no /var/log/cups/access_log ... I guess that means that there have never been any connections |
| 17:34.05 | jetscreamer | but not a lot |
| 17:34.10 | jetscreamer | yesterday |
| 17:34.29 | asg | dazedyugo: yeah, it's loopy. If you put 'http://127.0.0.1:631' in your browser, does it work? |
| 17:34.36 | gboutwell | guestish: Nope, same person. |
| 17:34.46 | gboutwell | guestish: I guess I don't understand your question |
| 17:34.53 | dazedyugo | asg: as I am new to this machine, is there any way I can monitor what iptables might be dropping, in case there's some screwy firewall rule that's preventing stuff from localhost to work? .... I have tried http://127.0.0.1:631 and it does not go through. |
| 17:34.58 | guestish | gboutwell: nvm...dont worry about it... |
| 17:35.02 | asg | dazedyugo: iptables -vL |
| 17:35.29 | asg | dazedyugo: if that doesn't show anything silly, I'd stick your files on a cd and bugger off to Kinko's or something and print there |
| 17:35.44 | gboutwell | guestish: Hmm... Ok. I'm just saying that I've run linux inside windows via the VM for around a year with various distros and normally I don't have many issues. |
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| 17:36.24 | gboutwell | guestish: Someone messed-up the Make system for the project I was on, that's what caused this issue, but I hadn't even considered that it could be choosing the cross-compiler instead of the native one |
| 17:37.11 | gboutwell | guestish: In a nutshell, debian is solid as ever, even running in a VM under windows :) |
| 17:37.19 | guestish | gboutwell: sounds good |
| 17:37.22 | dazedyugo | asg: haha thanks ... I'm looking at this and not really finding much of anything, so yeah. |
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| 17:37.33 | asg | dazedyugo: I'm utterly perplexed, sorry. |
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| 17:38.02 | asg | dazedyugo: just for shits and giggles, does /sbin/ifconfig show 'lo' as configured and up? |
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| 17:38.05 | jetscreamer | ntop |
| 17:38.06 | gboutwell | Again, thanks everyone for you help |
| 17:38.28 | dazedyugo | asg: it's okay, thanks for your help, we tried a lot of things. yes, the lo device is up with 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:38.38 | vineet | gboutwell: did you figure out the Make problem? |
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| 17:38.56 | sml | ok stew , greycat i found the problem with running oracle on linux. |
| 17:39.00 | asg | dazedyugo: well, if you figure it out, let us know; I'm interested in what it might have been. |
| 17:39.17 | Essobi | how do I change the frontend debconf uses by default when apt-geting install X? I've been googling to no avail, and read over the man pages. |
| 17:39.26 | dazedyugo | asg: will do, thanks again |
| 17:39.30 | asg | dazedyugo: maybe also start it out with 'LogLevel debug2' |
| 17:39.41 | dazedyugo | asg: how do I do that ? |
| 17:39.49 | asg | dazedyugo: in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf (near the top) |
| 17:39.52 | greycat | sml: what did you find? |
| 17:39.55 | dazedyugo | asg: ok |
| 17:40.18 | stew | Essobi: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 17:40.25 | sml | greycat: i found that the default SGA size is a joke |
| 17:40.34 | greycat | !sga |
| 17:40.36 | sml | greycat: oracle was using 135MB out of the 1GB available |
| 17:40.40 | dazedyugo | asg: holy ... that's a lot of log |
| 17:40.50 | greycat | sml: ok. whatever an SGA is :) |
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| 17:40.56 | sml | and these are the defaults! |
| 17:41.12 | Essobi | stew: Thanks. |
| 17:41.16 | sml | Global Address Space. its based on many many factors.... such as available ram , type of cache etc etc |
| 17:41.22 | greycat | sml: well, it's commercial software that grew up in a legacy unix universe where you normally have to rebuild your kernel to get more than 500 open files. |
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| 17:41.27 | asg | dazedyugo: yeah, but there might be some nugget that points you in the right direction. |
| 17:41.44 | asg | dazedyugo: you could also try some of the less verbose levels also if it's too much. |
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| 17:41.58 | dazedyugo | asg: i'd agree, and what amazes me is that there's absolutely nothing here indicating that any kind of connection was refused |
| 17:42.04 | wye | im using woody, kernel 2.6.9, and i wanna write a cd, i had read that i dont need scsi emulation, so i compile it like a ide-cd, but when i use the cdrecord it says: cdrecord: Read-only file system. Cannot open '/dev/hdc'. Cannot open SCSI driver. some idea? |
| 17:42.07 | sml | greycat: well hopefully in 30 minutes when this new import is done... we'll see a flagship in place of that NT joke of a machine |
| 17:42.22 | sml | and if thats the case then my attempts have not been in vain. another M$ box bites the dust. |
| 17:42.24 | rdancer | when modprobe ndiswrapper if_name=ap%d, it configures device ap0, but when i add option ndiswrapper if_name=ap%d to /etc/modules.conf, and modprobe ndiswrapper (without options), it configures device wlan0 (as if without if_name specified) |
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| 17:42.27 | asg | dazedyugo: yeah that's very odd. Can you connect on localhost to any other daemons? ssh for instance? |
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| 17:42.51 | dazedyugo | asg: yes, for example, SSH works fine |
| 17:43.01 | asg | dazedyugo: hmmm |
| 17:43.04 | stew | wye: whats the exact command line you are trying? |
| 17:43.04 | vineet | wye: try cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus |
| 17:43.12 | greycat | sml: no matter what the results of the run, you learned something useful. |
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| 17:43.37 | dazedyugo | asg: the thing is, I didn't set this machine up, so there might be something quirky going on that I just don't know about ... which is super annoying |
| 17:43.44 | nad | hello, I have problems with my 64-bit machine when installing any form of debian, I get segmentation faults, i wandered if anyone can help |
| 17:43.48 | rdancer | why doesn't option stanza in /etc/modules.conf work? |
| 17:43.49 | stew | wye: woody + 2.6? are you using the bunk packages? |
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| 17:43.50 | asg | dazedyugo: true |
| 17:44.02 | asg | nad: try #debian-adm64 |
| 17:44.05 | asg | oops |
| 17:44.06 | rdancer | at the same time, another option works with the same module |
| 17:44.08 | asg | nad: try #debian-amd64 |
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| 17:44.29 | nad | asg yeah I tried it :( |
| 17:44.42 | dazedyugo | asg: I figured that there might be a problem with the latest sarge cups package, which is why i came, but i guess no one else has experienced it this way lately |
| 17:45.03 | asg | dazedyugo: the bts may have some info but I'm not aware of a problem. |
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| 17:45.18 | dazedyugo | asg: bts ? |
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| 17:45.24 | asg | dazedyugo: bugs.debian.org |
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| 17:45.29 | asg | dazedyugo: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:45.36 | nad | there is nothing wrong with my HD or my processor because windows installs fine |
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| 17:45.38 | dazedyugo | asg: ok thx |
| 17:45.42 | asg | dazedyugo: you're welcome |
| 17:46.40 | donpaolo | Hi guys! I have a testing gateway, which connects to the internet via a modem. I need a little help. In order the gateway to be the router for the local net do I have to set something like a domain in the other local pc's? thank you! |
| 17:47.04 | Jrz | nope |
| 17:47.05 | greycat | donpaolo: no, just the gateway |
| 17:47.10 | kobs | you need to set the default gateway on the client machines, to the new gateway ip |
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| 17:48.07 | donpaolo | greycat: what could be the reason why a ubuntu pc in the local net isn't routed to the internet? |
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| 17:48.29 | nad | anyone with any ideas? |
| 17:48.48 | greycat | donpaolo: 1) forgot to set the gateway address on the client, 2) client is not in the right subnet, 3) forgot to enable IP forwarding on the gateway, 4) forgot to turn on NAT on the gateway |
| 17:48.54 | Shadda | aye. I have a problem. running knoppix/debian SARGE and i ran apt-get upgrade and update yesterday |
| 17:48.56 | sml | !mm |
| 17:48.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mm is Myanmar (Burma) |
| 17:49.03 | sml | !-mm |
| 17:49.03 | dpkg | i guess -mm is a set of patches, released by Andrew Morton, against the official kernel series, and is frequently more experimental in nature than the official series. |
| 17:49.08 | Shadda | it updated my PCMCIA drivers |
| 17:49.12 | Shadda | and now i can't use my wlan card |
| 17:49.21 | Shadda | says cannot bind to socket 0: device or resource busy |
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| 17:49.34 | Shadda | is there any way i can reinstall my old PCMCIA drivers/config ? |
| 17:49.34 | drac | Shadda: try #knoppix |
| 17:49.39 | Shadda | oh ok |
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| 17:50.02 | Romano | hi everyone. i got a problem with gd2 under my debian sid. bot apache2 and php4.3.10-3 are working fine, i apt-getted php4-gd, uncommented extension=gd.so in the php.ini |
| 17:50.07 | Romano | but it still does not work |
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| 17:50.43 | Alcore | hi |
| 17:50.52 | Shadda | Romano have you restarted apache? |
| 17:51.10 | Romano | better than juste restart it, i stopped then started it |
| 17:51.35 | Shadda | ok. what does phpinfo() give you? |
| 17:51.47 | Romano | www.romano2k.biz/scripts/phpinfo.php :) |
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| 17:52.34 | dazedyugo | asg: well, as a follow-up to the cups thing, it definately is an iptables problem, but there are so many friggin rules on this thing that it's hard to see where/why, but I thought I'd let you know. sorry about that. |
| 17:52.36 | BucWheat | how do i setup apt-get to go through a proxy ? the proxy is 192.168.0.2 port 9011 ? |
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| 17:52.41 | Shadda | and you're editing /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini ? |
| 17:52.47 | Shadda | and not some other php.ini? |
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| 17:53.00 | Romano | /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini yes |
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| 17:53.20 | Romano | my /var/log/apache2/error.log gives me this error : |
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| 17:53.20 | Romano | PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/gd.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/gd.so: undefined symbol: gdImageCreateFromGif in Unknown on line 0 |
| 17:53.20 | Shadda | locate gd.so |
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| 17:53.36 | Shadda | oh |
| 17:53.43 | Shadda | incompatible versions |
| 17:53.49 | baysap | how do i install he newest kde with debian (im new to it) |
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| 17:53.53 | Shadda | IMNSHO you should just compile php manually anyway |
| 17:54.03 | Romano | /usr/lib/libgd.so.2, /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so and /usr/local/lib/libgd.so |
| 17:54.10 | Shadda | i never do automated installs for php, mysql, postgres, or apache |
| 17:54.15 | Romano | Shadda: it's too dificult for me :/ |
| 17:54.23 | KB1FYR | where is the x11 keyboard file? |
| 17:54.23 | Shadda | nah it's pretty easy |
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| 17:54.27 | Shadda | come on over to efnet #php |
| 17:54.32 | Shadda | we'll help ya out |
| 17:54.32 | Alcore | got a problem with my packet system... i'm using a full set of official debian cdroms (3.0r3) and the system cannot read some *.deb files (something like "failed to extract, probably not signed") |
| 17:54.40 | donpaolo | greycat: I changed the client ip 192.168.0.150 to 192.168.0.15, and now it works. Why? |
| 17:54.57 | Romano | Shadda: but i managed to get it working on my second server |
| 17:55.01 | arango | Is it possible to move the mouse pointer with the keyboard arrows ? |
| 17:55.18 | polm | Why am I seeing occasional errors in my kern.log : "kernel: APIC error on CPU1: 40(40)" ? |
| 17:55.24 | vineet | arango: shift + numlock should do it |
| 17:55.28 | Shadda | Romano what version of GD are you installing? |
| 17:55.49 | Romano | i'm simply apt-getting php4-gd |
| 17:56.02 | Romano | but i had some trouble a few weeks ago with it |
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| 17:56.11 | polm | I am also seeing these APIC error for CPU0, as well. |
| 17:56.17 | Romano | so i tried to see if it was better on my second server, and it worked |
| 17:56.20 | arango | vineet: no |
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| 17:56.57 | BucWheat | what does depmod: QM_MODULES not implemented mean ? |
| 17:56.58 | Essobi | Baah.. I blew out my /etc/apache/httpd.conf.. so I apt-get remove apache && apt-get install apache and it won't recreate the default conf with the error.. Not replacing deleted config file /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 17:57.00 | vineet | arango: using the numeric keypad, not the standalone cursor arrows? |
| 17:57.03 | Shadda | the most likely problem here is that PHP is expecting shared modules |
| 17:57.07 | Essobi | Anyone got an idea how to force that to update? |
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| 17:57.21 | vineet | Essobi: purge the packages, rather than just removing |
| 17:57.28 | BucWheat | i get that when i try to modprobe a module ? |
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| 17:57.29 | Essobi | ahh |
| 17:57.31 | zeo33x | if i call a script which calls bunch of different process (configure/make/install. etc.. gcc/perl/sh) is there a way to kill them all at once? is there something like process group? |
| 17:57.34 | Shadda | yer best bet above all would be to grab php5 and compile :) |
| 17:57.41 | Shadda | takes two minutes to setup |
| 17:57.44 | vineet | Essobi: that will remove all config files |
| 17:58.02 | vineet | Essobi: so make sure you save anyting you want to keep! |
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| 17:58.28 | Romano | Shadda: php5 is compatible with php4 ? :> |
| 17:58.33 | VoX | how do i make apt remove all conf files when removing an app? |
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| 17:58.37 | Shadda | about 99% backwards compat yes |
| 17:58.47 | vineet | VoX: --purge |
| 17:58.49 | Romano | hum :/ |
| 17:58.51 | VoX | danke |
| 17:58.52 | Shadda | generally php5 only breaks on php4 code if the code is shady/obscure/shitty |
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| 17:59.05 | Spec | shady code? |
| 17:59.07 | Essobi | vineet Thanks. |
| 17:59.08 | Spec | found in the backalley? |
| 17:59.19 | Spec | lurking, and waiting for some poor fool to execute it |
| 17:59.21 | Shadda | Spec in a wet cardboard box |
| 17:59.23 | asg | dazedyugo: ah, glad you isolated it. |
| 17:59.49 | Romano | hum i'm not kean on compiling such a complicated program |
| 18:00.02 | Romano | i'll try to fix this by another way |
| 18:00.05 | Romano | anyway thank you :) |
| 18:00.13 | Shadda | heh I dunno why people are so afraid of a little compile |
| 18:00.20 | baysap | how do i install he newest kde with debian (im new to it) |
| 18:00.39 | noid2 | can anyone suggest a good dns tutorial.... i cant find any understandable ones ...? |
| 18:00.52 | asg | noid2: lifewithdjbdns.org |
| 18:00.55 | vineet | baysap: do you know what version of debian you have installed? |
| 18:01.09 | Shadda | ./configure --with-gd --with-mysql --with-apxs2=/etc/apache2/bin/apxs --with-zlib --with-zlib-dir=/usr/include/zlib.h --with-libxml=/i/forget/the/path/name |
| 18:01.11 | Shadda | make |
| 18:01.13 | Shadda | make install |
| 18:01.19 | Shadda | dun-dun-dun-Done |
| 18:01.22 | cahoot | arango: ctl+shift+numlock first then use the arrow keys |
| 18:01.26 | noid2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.27 | Alcore | has anybody ever experienced problems with *.iso images stored on a ntfs partition? |
| 18:01.43 | noid2 | Alcore: no but i have with fat |
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| 18:02.01 | Alcore | hm what kind of problems do you have? |
| 18:02.07 | Alcore | corrupt images? |
| 18:02.24 | noid2 | Alcore: no the image was too big for fat .... it was a dvd image :) |
| 18:02.57 | Alcore | i'm talking of simple cd images... is it possible that ntfs breaks them? |
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| 18:03.10 | Romano | Shadda: u sure it's so easy ? |
| 18:03.17 | Alcore | i could not mount any iso image stored on a ntfs partition, mounting from fat worked |
| 18:03.49 | asg | noid2: that link is specific to djbdns though, if you are looking for a good bind8/9 resource, I'd grab the O'Reilly DNS and Bind 4th. ed. |
| 18:03.51 | njan | Alcore, I've used iso images stored on ntfs dozens of times without problem, although only in windows |
| 18:03.56 | njan | Alcore, I refuse to touch ntfs under linux :) |
| 18:04.05 | Shadda | Romano i do it all the time |
| 18:04.05 | Alcore | i was just reading... |
| 18:04.21 | Romano | hum ... |
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| 18:04.25 | BucWheat | ughh... i cannot make menuconfig inside kernel-headers-2.4.27 says config.in file does not exist |
| 18:04.36 | BucWheat | i get same error for kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 18:04.36 | Romano | what do i need to apt-get remove ? :> |
| 18:04.47 | noid2 | asg: yeah ...i think its off to the book place for me |
| 18:04.53 | Alcore | well a cd burnt from a broken image might at least explain that the packets cannot be extracted... |
| 18:04.53 | Shadda | Romano apt-get remove php4 should remove php and all its dependencies |
| 18:05.05 | asg | noid2: okay |
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| 18:05.19 | Shadda | anybody here ever have a problem with apt-get fucking up their PCMCIA drivers? |
| 18:05.27 | Romano | Shadda: --purge ? |
| 18:05.27 | Shadda | i ran update/upgrade yesterday |
| 18:05.38 | Shadda | n' now my WLAN card doesn't work |
| 18:05.45 | Shadda | i get Cannot bind to socket 0: device or resource busy |
| 18:05.46 | jasz | hey.. how can i use the LaunchCast (plus or not) internet radio service from Yahoo.. on linux? |
| 18:05.51 | Shadda | anybody? :) |
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| 18:06.09 | Romano | haha Shadda, it says that php4 isn't installed (i got php4-common in fatc) |
| 18:06.12 | asg | Shadda: anything in /var/log/syslog? dmesg? |
| 18:06.14 | Romano | may be that's the point ? :> |
| 18:06.25 | Alcore | im off |
| 18:06.25 | Alcore | cu |
| 18:06.35 | Shadda | asg heh I'd check, but i'm not on linux right now |
| 18:06.42 | Shadda | if i was, i wouldn't be on IRC talking to you ;)( |
| 18:07.00 | asg | Shadda: well, I'd check there when you are on your box :) |
| 18:07.11 | Shadda | thing is |
| 18:07.14 | Shadda | when i boot up |
| 18:07.23 | Shadda | it checks my network, starts up eth0 and all that good stuff |
| 18:07.28 | Shadda | and it appears that my card is working |
| 18:07.31 | diepes | hi, how do one setup wifi auto detection in Debian for different wlan's ? any recommendations ? |
| 18:07.40 | Shadda | the little light quits blinking and stays on |
| 18:07.50 | Shadda | but then it gets toward the end of boot up |
| 18:07.53 | Shadda | and it checks eth0 again |
| 18:07.57 | Shadda | and the socket is "busy" |
| 18:08.17 | Shadda | I've tried manually starting/reseting/ejecting/inserting, but no luck |
| 18:08.22 | jethro | diepes: like autodetect a list of predifined wlans ? |
| 18:08.33 | diepes | jethro: yes. |
| 18:08.34 | jethro | s/ct a/ct using a/ |
| 18:08.35 | asg | Shadda: hmmm |
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| 18:08.57 | diepes | jethro: and then pick wep key, etc. |
| 18:09.01 | Shadda | asg I'm thinking all i need to do is reinstall the old drivers/config |
| 18:09.10 | Oryn | Shadda: this a a pcmcia card? |
| 18:09.13 | Shadda | yep |
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| 18:09.18 | jethro | diepes: you can use wpa_supplicant even if not doing wpa |
| 18:09.40 | Shadda | It worked great til i updated PCMCIA via apt-get |
| 18:09.43 | diepes | jethro: even for picking static ip or dhcp ? |
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| 18:09.55 | Romano | Shadda: i'm working on PHP5's installation :) |
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| 18:09.55 | jethro | diepes: iirc, yes |
| 18:09.57 | gaspercat | hi |
| 18:10.01 | Shadda | Romano++ |
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| 18:10.10 | diepes | jethro: thanks. |
| 18:10.11 | Shadda | php5 is candy |
| 18:10.23 | Shadda | It's oh-so-nice |
| 18:10.28 | Romano | :) |
| 18:10.30 | rdancer | why is the fstype in /etc/fstab iso9660 for cdroms? |
| 18:10.37 | Romano | u're an enthousiast dev |
| 18:10.39 | Romano | :) |
| 18:10.45 | jethro | diepes: with wpa_supplicant you have to define a list of network, on the other hand, I dont know how you can limit to these networks only |
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| 18:10.58 | jethro | diepes: you can also use some custom shell script you'd have written |
| 18:11.09 | gaspercat | can anyone help me? i installed a new harddrive as secondary and formatted it with a reiserfs partition, i can moiunt it but it mounts in read-only mode, what can i do? |
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| 18:11.25 | lu | yo, in kernel 2.6 you have to include srv in fstab, why and how? |
| 18:11.26 | Romano | Shadda: './configure --with-gd --with-mysql --with-apxs2=/etc/apache2/bin/apxs --with-zlib --with-zlib-dir=/usr/include/zlib.h' should be ok ? |
| 18:11.42 | Oryn | Shadda: its probably mashed your config file |
| 18:11.43 | rdancer | gaspercat: mount -o remount,rw /path/to/mountpoint |
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| 18:11.47 | x1bncwn | srv? |
| 18:11.51 | Shadda | it'll probably bitch about libxml romano |
| 18:11.56 | jethro | diepes: also have a look a things like laptop-netconf and similar packages, they might be doing it as well |
| 18:11.57 | Shadda | you need to specify a libxml path |
| 18:12.01 | Shadda | locate libxml |
| 18:12.01 | Romano | hum |
| 18:12.05 | gaspercat | srv?? |
| 18:12.14 | Shadda | and you'll need to verify the location of apxs |
| 18:12.18 | Romano | /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so <- that's it ? |
| 18:12.20 | lu | yep, ive read in most of the 2.6 howtos that you need to include it in your fstab |
| 18:12.24 | lu | srv |
| 18:12.26 | Shadda | just because its in /etc/apache2/bin on my ssystem, doesn't mean it is on yours |
| 18:12.30 | Shadda | Romano that'd be it |
| 18:12.32 | x1bncwn | for what? |
| 18:12.36 | x1bncwn | nobody uses that dir |
| 18:12.37 | lu | no clue |
| 18:12.37 | Shadda | --with-libxml=/usr/local/lib |
| 18:12.43 | Romano | ok |
| 18:12.44 | Oryn | Shadda: have a look in /etc/pcmcia for foobar.dpkg-old or such like |
| 18:12.45 | Shadda | now locate apxs |
| 18:12.54 | Shadda | Oryn yeah i looked around for something like that |
| 18:13.00 | Shadda | didn't find any archived/old drivers |
| 18:13.00 | Romano | strange : /usr/share/man/fr/man1/apxs.1 |
| 18:13.03 | lu | it works fine with out me including it, but i figured one of you wizards would know |
| 18:13.05 | diepes | jethro: i will try the wpasupplicant wanted to play with it for awhile |
| 18:13.08 | Shadda | Romano that's not it |
| 18:13.09 | Romano | it's the only thing it locates |
| 18:13.15 | Oryn | Shadda: you running sid? |
| 18:13.21 | Shadda | sid? |
| 18:13.34 | jethro | diepes: cool |
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| 18:13.46 | Oryn | Shadda: version of debian? |
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| 18:14.22 | rdancer | is there a gui (curses preferabily) for LVM management? like the d-i partitioner? |
| 18:14.34 | lu | also, trying to configure a LAMP, what package do i need for mysql "apt-get" , every time i do an apt-get install mysqld, it's missing package(running unstable) |
| 18:14.46 | Shadda | Oryn it's Knoppix debian hdd install. becomes SARGE as soon as its installed to hdd |
| 18:15.00 | Oryn | oic |
| 18:15.05 | asg | lu: install mysql-server |
| 18:15.09 | stew | lu: its scary that you are running unstable and don't know how to find it, but its mysql-server, you should /msg dpkg search |
| 18:15.10 | Romano | lu: apt-cache search mysql :) |
| 18:15.20 | lu | If I haven't mentioned it before, thanks so much for your help |
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| 18:15.36 | soccos | what's up with my printer: gnome-cups-manager says 'Paused 1 jobs' but 'resume' is unselectable, lsusb shows the device |
| 18:15.44 | lu | i did the apt-cache seach, and didn't get any listings.. |
| 18:15.51 | lu | thanks |
| 18:15.57 | Romano | u're welcome |
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| 18:16.08 | lu | (yes very scary, a noob with unstable, mwuaahahhaha |
| 18:16.10 | Shadda | I'm gonna get fried for this, but debian's automated installs of mysql, php, apache, postgres, etc are the worst |
| 18:16.17 | parabola | hallo erst mal an alle |
| 18:16.18 | Oryn | Shadda: I'll bet its mashed your config files, I'd boot up knoppix and compare the files in /etc/pcmcia to the ones on your hdd and manualy merge / apply the differences |
| 18:16.21 | fernando | i have a compatibity problem with the CD-ROM of my notebook and sarge install system... |
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| 18:16.30 | lu | ok, so i should compile my own? |
| 18:16.31 | asg | Shadda: never been a problem here *shrug* |
| 18:16.31 | fernando | there another way to install Debian |
| 18:16.34 | fernando | ? |
| 18:16.43 | Oryn | fernando: is it firewire? |
| 18:17.03 | fernando | Oryn: no IDE |
| 18:17.05 | asg | fernando: check the install manual at www.debian.org (it lists alternate installation methodologies.) |
| 18:17.15 | Shadda | asg eh its not just debian either. I find most automated installs, urpmi, yum, apt-get, or ports on FBSD are kind of crappy |
| 18:17.21 | fernando | asg: thanks! |
| 18:17.22 | Shadda | especially ports. --disable-all in your face |
| 18:17.22 | Oryn | fernando: so what happens? |
| 18:17.25 | parabola | Frage: Kennt sich jemand mit SANE aus und hat zufällig einen Avision 630CS Scanner? Meiner möchte nur in Graustufen und NICHT in Farbe scannen. |
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| 18:17.39 | Romano | Shadda: can't find anything named apxs ... o_O |
| 18:17.50 | Shadda | Romano might need to go compile apache, bwahaha |
| 18:17.52 | stew | Shadda: what dont' you like about the way debian installs them? |
| 18:17.58 | Romano | ok :/ |
| 18:17.58 | asg | Shadda: well, most debian packages that can't be fully automated with debconf list necessary manual steps in /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/README.Debian |
| 18:18.03 | Shadda | stew mostly configuration details |
| 18:18.08 | Shadda | apache for instance |
| 18:18.12 | Shadda | debian breaks up one conf file |
| 18:18.15 | Shadda | into like 10 others |
| 18:18.19 | stew | it does? |
| 18:18.21 | Shadda | yep |
| 18:18.23 | asg | Shadda: only in sarge/sid, not woody |
| 18:18.27 | fernando | Oryn: a rare problem, where start to install de base system show me a error mesagges. dmesg show hdc: media error (bad sector): status = 0x51 |
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| 18:19.05 | lu | My understanding is to only run LAMP in stable, any obvious objections to unstable? I'm a noob. |
| 18:19.09 | Shadda | and the php installs are never very recent, they have shady config, and it's a bitch to install anything non-proprietary into the mix |
| 18:19.11 | Oryn | fernando: what version of debian are you trying to install? |
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| 18:19.22 | Shadda | I prefer the control of compiling everything on my server |
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| 18:19.29 | Delph | lu: unstable is what it says on the tin. Unstable. |
| 18:19.29 | fernando | Oryn: Sarge, netinstall |
| 18:19.33 | Shadda | little applications i could care less about |
| 18:19.37 | asg | lu: unstable is unstable and can therefore break easily. If you must run something with newer packages than stable, at least use sarge. |
| 18:19.43 | Shadda | but things i'm going to be devving on every day i have to know inside and out |
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| 18:19.54 | stew | lu: unstable is a bad idea unless you are ready to fix stuff when you all the sudden can't log in at all for instance |
| 18:20.01 | lu | I knew that, was curious if there was a different nuance |
| 18:20.03 | Delph | lu: indeed. sarge (aka Testing) is the way to go. |
| 18:20.12 | stew | Delph: not for an exposed server |
| 18:20.27 | lu | learning in linux for me has been the experience of breaking and then fixing |
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| 18:20.37 | lu | can't fix windows, only rebuild |
| 18:20.37 | Oryn | fernando: well you could always use the older woody bf2.4 disk images (you need 6 of them) |
| 18:20.37 | asg | stew: unless you know what you are doing. |
| 18:20.42 | nevyn | Delph: exposed servers should be either stable. or sid and closely monitored |
| 18:20.46 | stew | asg: precicely |
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| 18:21.03 | fernando | Oryn: yes, it is a way |
| 18:21.22 | Shadda | Blah. I gotta start this damn job in an hour |
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| 18:21.29 | lu | gotcha, only my impatience breaks linux, not linux. Back to the old box running stable |
| 18:21.34 | Shadda | which means i gotta get my wlan workin |
| 18:21.35 | fernando | Oryn: but before, i will see if there another way to install sarge |
| 18:21.35 | Shadda | brb |
| 18:21.38 | asg | Shadda: I've been at mine for the last 6 ;) |
| 18:21.44 | lu | thanks again |
| 18:21.48 | stew | lu: if you want newer lamp packages on woody look at dotdeb |
| 18:22.07 | lu | stew, pls explain ".deb" |
| 18:22.07 | stew | lu: .org that is |
| 18:22.15 | stew | lu: dotdeb.org |
| 18:22.19 | lu | aaahh |
| 18:22.24 | Delph | nevyn: closely monitored is the way forward. |
| 18:22.25 | lu | very suttle |
| 18:22.33 | lu | thanks stew |
| 18:22.50 | lu | linux rocks, chao for now |
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| 18:22.58 | nevyn | Delph: I thought better of that after I wrote it. |
| 18:23.01 | Delph | nevyn: and at some point there's no use in a box that has more backports than there are trolls on ircnetworks. |
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| 18:23.16 | nevyn | facing servers should be closely monitored regardless of dist. |
| 18:23.33 | nevyn | regardless of distribution release or OS :) |
| 18:24.03 | stew | hear hear |
| 18:26.01 | Delph | nevyn: on that topic, would you suggest logcheck as being a good start along those lines? |
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| 18:26.23 | Delph | just for a random stable box that i've inflicted on my parents as a firewall, and i cba to actually travel to maintain. |
| 18:26.42 | lu | fyi, dotdeb.org, is down... but i'm looking at the google cache :) |
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| 18:27.10 | tzafrir_laptop | Is there anything similar to adduser but also prompts for the gecos? And something that tries to guess a user name from the gecos? |
| 18:27.16 | abrotman | lu: or check backports.org |
| 18:27.24 | nevyn | Delph: tripwire. |
| 18:27.26 | lu | thanks abrotman |
| 18:27.45 | jerkie | Hello After apt-get update i've Dynamic MMap ran out of room.. what does it mean? |
| 18:27.48 | nevyn | Delph: but I ment by humans. |
| 18:27.50 | stew | lu: their repositories are up, just their wiki is down |
| 18:27.57 | stew | lu: packages.dotdeb.org |
| 18:27.57 | Delph | nevyn: yeah, i know. |
| 18:28.15 | lu | gotcha, thanks |
| 18:28.36 | tzafrir_laptop | jerkie, you get that from what, exactly? |
| 18:28.53 | stew | !dynamic mmap |
| 18:28.53 | dpkg | i heard dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 18:29.23 | greycat | dpkg, dynamic mmap =~ s/exist add it/exist, add it/ |
| 18:29.23 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 18:30.01 | asg | stew: that's the third dynamic mmap today, haven't seen so many in a while. |
| 18:30.14 | abrotman | little buggers are breeding |
| 18:30.32 | asg | abrotman: guess they must have 'spring' in their sources.list |
| 18:30.38 | stew | heh |
| 18:30.43 | abrotman | wrong :) |
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| 18:31.35 | soccos | hmm, isn't there some kind of web UI to cups? |
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| 18:32.37 | jerkie | i edit my source.list for install something from testing, then i do apt-get update. |
| 18:32.41 | asg | soccos: localhost:631 |
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| 18:32.57 | soccos | asg: thx |
| 18:33.09 | abrotman | !tell jerkie about woody->sarge |
| 18:33.13 | greycat | !tell jerkie about bobbitt |
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| 18:34.10 | ellmist | #help |
| 18:34.11 | soccos | asg: arg, where is the auth config? |
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| 18:34.39 | asg | soccos: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 18:35.06 | parabola | Ich hfrag einfach nochmal: Kennt sich jemand mit SANE aus und hat zufällig einen Avision 630CS Scanner? Meiner möchte nur in Graustufen und NICHT in Farbe scannen. Benutze Debian Kernel 2.4.27-1-386, sane 1.0.13-2 |
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| 18:35.16 | abrotman | !german |
| 18:35.16 | dpkg | it has been said that german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 18:35.19 | abrotman | i think |
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| 18:35.59 | Shadda | Ok i'm on linux right now |
| 18:36.00 | Shadda | my livecd |
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| 18:36.08 | Shadda | Any suggestions on how i can fix my problem? |
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| 18:37.25 | Lee__ | Shadda: what's your problem? |
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| 18:37.46 | parabola | danke @ dpkg |
| 18:37.57 | Shadda | Lee__ I ran apt-get update/upgrade yesterday, and it updated my PCMCIA drivers |
| 18:38.00 | Shadda | now my wlan card doesn't work |
| 18:38.14 | soccos | asg: thx, another tree dies |
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| 18:38.18 | Shadda | i get open_sock(socket 0) failed: resource or device busy |
| 18:38.18 | MobyTurbo | Shadda: I noticed you said you were doing a "Debian install" from your live Knoppix CD. Knoppix is not Debian, and there are several things that are always different regardless of repository. |
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| 18:38.42 | Shadda | MobyTurbo once installed to hdd, knoppix becomes debian sarge |
| 18:38.50 | stew | Shadda: wrong |
| 18:38.53 | MobyTurbo | Shadda: no, it doesn't |
| 18:38.57 | Lee__ | Shadda: no it doesn't |
| 18:39.04 | Shadda | That's what they say directly on their site |
| 18:39.08 | abrotman | Shadda: so so very wrong |
| 18:39.12 | abrotman | Shadda: they lie .. very much |
| 18:39.16 | Lee__ | very, very, very wrong |
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| 18:39.27 | Lee__ | in fact, you can tell by opening /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:39.38 | Lee__ | you will see many lines, including some for unstable, which is named sid |
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| 18:39.57 | abrotman | and it's still not debian .. even if it does pull from sid/sarge |
| 18:40.02 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 18:40.02 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 18:40.09 | Lee__ | Shadda: you should join #knoppix |
| 18:40.16 | MobyTurbo | there are some things, like knoppix's different init, that keep it from being Debian even if you use Debian repos. |
| 18:40.20 | J_1 | people, what mean "defaults,noatime" in /etc/fstab ? |
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| 18:40.22 | abrotman | and quickly |
| 18:40.29 | greycat | J_1: man fstab, man mount |
| 18:40.30 | abrotman | J_1: man fstab;man mount |
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| 18:40.37 | Shadda | Nobody talking in knoppix, been there for an hour |
| 18:40.43 | greycat | Shadda: maybe knoppix sucks. |
| 18:40.44 | abrotman | this is not our fault |
| 18:40.45 | Lee__ | oh well, that sucks. |
| 18:40.45 | thomas_adam | Shadda: Aww. |
| 18:40.48 | J_1 | abrotman: and greycat heheeh i try.. not have doc for this.. |
| 18:40.50 | stew | Shadda: try a mailing list, /msg dpkg piav |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | !d-i Shadda |
| 18:40.54 | dpkg | Shadda, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:40.58 | J_1 | not say about this.. |
| 18:41.03 | abrotman | J_1: erm .. you do |
| 18:41.03 | MobyTurbo | Shadda: then that's your fault for picking a distro without IRC support. |
| 18:41.06 | Lee__ | c'mon, Knoppix is useful |
| 18:41.13 | J_1 | abrotman: what ? |
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| 18:41.14 | Lee__ | it shouldn't touch your hard disk though |
| 18:41.33 | Shadda | Knoppix is the only distro in the debian family that even supports my hardware |
| 18:41.40 | greycat | knoppix is great for mounting your windows file system read-only to back it up over the network. |
| 18:41.40 | Lee__ | with persistant home dirs you can make a knoppix CD almost like a real OS |
| 18:41.45 | abrotman | J_1: if you don't have those man pages .. then your install is messed up |
| 18:41.46 | Shadda | Debian Sarge and Woody can't even get past boot menu |
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| 18:41.47 | J_1 | abrotman: where i see man about defaults,noatime 0 0 in fstab ? |
| 18:41.50 | greycat | or for seeing what NIC is in the windows box so you know what driver to grab. |
| 18:41.58 | Lee__ | Shadda: you must have some pretty weird hardware |
| 18:41.59 | abrotman | J_1: man mount |
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| 18:42.04 | Shadda | Lee__ not at all |
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| 18:42.09 | stew | Shadda: the kernel is the thing that supports your hardware, and you can use the same kernels in debian or redhat as you do in knoppix |
| 18:42.10 | Shadda | Dell Inspiron 8000 |
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| 18:42.24 | J_1 | abrotman: ahh ok, i try only man fstab and man fs.. thanks |
| 18:42.26 | MobyTurbo | Shadda: try pressing the function key to list boot options, there's probably something that will work. |
| 18:42.26 | greycat | laptops are weird by definition. |
| 18:42.33 | Shadda | MobyTurbo yeah i know |
| 18:42.35 | abrotman | J_1: man mount |
| 18:42.44 | Shadda | and Debian "vanilla" boot is the only thing that got past boot |
| 18:42.50 | dave_ | Shadda: Check out www.linux-laptops.net |
| 18:42.51 | Shadda | and it wouldn't recognize my LCD |
| 18:42.57 | Shadda | dave been there |
| 18:43.05 | greycat | you mean your video chipset. |
| 18:43.16 | Shadda | I'm happy with knoppix. I'm just trying to get this little problem fixed |
| 18:43.17 | greycat | Shadda: have you tried sarge yet? |
| 18:43.21 | Shadda | yes |
| 18:43.22 | Lee__ | Knoppix has some drivers in the running kernel that you can optionally install with other distros, so that means Knoppix is not the only distro that supports your hardware |
| 18:43.28 | abrotman | Shadda: either go to #knoppix .. or install debian |
| 18:43.33 | Shadda | blah |
| 18:43.41 | Lee__ | cool |
| 18:43.47 | greycat | Shadda: did you file an installation report describing your problem installing sarge, so that the developers can fix it? |
| 18:43.49 | Kerr | eww... bitchx |
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| 18:43.53 | jerkie | i dont really want update. i only want install some packages from sarge e.g Firefox and it uses libstdc++5_3... |
| 18:44.07 | stew | jerkie: you cannot mix woody and sarge |
| 18:44.13 | greycat | jerkie: you MUST upgrade to sarge in order to accomplish that. NO work-arounds. |
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| 18:44.24 | stew | jerkie: you either upgrade to sarge, or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 18:45.52 | bender-rw- | greycat: what about backports.org? |
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| 18:46.23 | greycat | bender-rw-: what about d-i? |
| 18:46.32 | ratonn | Problem: travelling around with laptop using private networks sending clear text data |
| 18:46.36 | VoX | i'm having this problem with xchat that has just started occuring, whereby all the colours are wrong. according to xchat's prefernces all the colours should be correct, but they arent.. any ideas as to what could be causing the issue? |
| 18:46.56 | ratonn | Is there a way to setup an SSL proxy server through which I can run all my laptop's requests? |
| 18:47.01 | azreal | VoX: LSD? |
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| 18:47.11 | VoX | i've tried removing and reinstalling xchat, removing all conf files to no effect |
| 18:47.26 | VoX | azreal: you're not the first to suggest that :) |
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| 18:47.36 | stew | VoX: i'd ask in #xchat |
| 18:48.04 | mattilius | is there a way i can find out what keycodes (should be a number, or at least a bytecode i can tramsform to a number) certain keys are? |
| 18:48.10 | VoX | stew: i have - they suggested asking in here :)) |
| 18:48.14 | stew | mattilius: xev |
| 18:48.15 | bender-rw- | greycat: i just wanted to know wether something is wrong with packages from backports.org, as in why is it not considered? |
| 18:48.18 | mattilius | when i cat my input devices, i dont get anyhting readable (just junk) |
| 18:48.20 | VoX | gah damn keyboard |
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| 18:48.33 | mattilius | ty stew |
| 18:48.37 | Spec | LSD has a bad effect on xchat. It makes the lines curvey and the colours wrong. Xchat needs better developers. |
| 18:48.39 | Lee__ | xev from a terminal |
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| 18:49.07 | mattilius | ... odd. my Mute button doesn't send an event |
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| 18:49.19 | mattilius | everything else does |
| 18:49.22 | sundial | any have any thoughts on if the udf for dvd+r will ever be in the kernel? |
| 18:49.37 | FieldySnuts | wenas who uses kde lol |
| 18:49.43 | stew | mattilius: yeah, its probably using a non standard ps2 extension, it means you're out of luck for that key |
| 18:50.11 | VoX | anyone have any ideas, apart from drug-induced psycosis, as to why this could be happening? |
| 18:50.26 | greycat | bender-rw-: in theory they can be OK. in practice, why bother? |
| 18:50.26 | drac | FieldySnuts: i've been wondering what "wenas" means for months, can you please share this information? ;) |
| 18:50.27 | sundial | psychosis |
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| 18:50.32 | VoX | that too |
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| 18:50.35 | FieldySnuts | drac: i think sussudio knows |
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| 18:50.45 | stew | badgers? |
| 18:50.50 | FieldySnuts | where? |
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| 18:50.58 | stew | FieldySnuts: ask sussudio |
| 18:51.01 | mattilius | stew, probably has to do with having a light showing it being on or off. Damn white-box manufacturers and their standard breaking :) |
| 18:51.02 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:51.21 | mattilius | stew, ill just set one of those worthless "internet" buttons to it instead |
| 18:51.23 | VoX | ok i'll take that as a no |
| 18:51.35 | arango | Is there such a thing a PS/2 mouse on a COM port ? |
| 18:51.47 | nevyn | yes. |
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| 18:51.56 | chalcedony | Vox /me points to where we met. |
| 18:52.00 | stew | mattilius: yup, i've been throught the same thing, i have a kb with ff, rw, pause, play buttons and it was somehting silly like i could use all of them except rewind |
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| 18:52.22 | mattilius | stew, same kind of thing here. i can only use 2 of the 5 buttons |
| 18:52.29 | mattilius | stew, at least volumn up and down works :) |
| 18:52.41 | arango | I need help seeting up a mouse (trackstick) in X, it seems to be PS/2 but I am not sure |
| 18:53.10 | stew | arango: tried mdetect? |
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| 18:53.29 | ChrysalisM | is there a BSD disklabel I can use from Linux |
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| 18:54.14 | arango | stew: yes (without arguments). The thing is I don't know much about the device. This is an OQO computer (www.oqo.com). Windows XP reports both a wacom stylus and a PS/2 mouse |
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| 18:54.45 | felix | hello |
| 18:54.50 | felix | is a kernel option? |
| 18:54.53 | felix | what i must do to run a program (irc server) to use more than 1024 connections at the same time? |
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| 18:55.03 | felix | swap 3,2 :-D |
| 18:55.05 | greycat | no, hello is not a kernel option |
| 18:55.20 | greycat | felix: help ulimit; ulimit -a |
| 18:55.24 | mattilius | Anyone know what options i can use for X with my synaptics pad? (I already have driver it, tapping/ect works) |
| 18:55.32 | felix | greycat: ok, thanks a lot. |
| 18:55.47 | Yaroon | Does Debian testing's Linux kernel come with CONFIG_NETLINK and CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV compiled in by default? |
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| 18:55.57 | greycat | Yaroon: less /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 18:56.16 | Yaroon | Don't have that file. |
| 18:56.32 | mattilius | check under /boot for the config-* that matches your kernel |
| 18:56.45 | Yaroon | There's no config file there. |
| 18:56.51 | greycat | Yaroon: then install DEBIAN, motherfucker. |
| 18:56.53 | stew | mattilius: /msg dpkg synaptics the url there has lots of info |
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| 18:57.09 | mattilius | thanks stew |
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| 18:57.16 | stew | mattilius: i have both touchpad and trackpoint, i have my touchpad set to only do scrolling, which i like |
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| 18:58.00 | Frem | hey, what filesystem do I have to use to work with windows long filenames? dos cuts all my filenames short. |
| 18:58.03 | Yaroon | greycat: this is Debian. But it's been years since I compiled this kernel, so it might not have been installed in the "debian" way. |
| 18:58.05 | greycat | Frem: vfat |
| 18:58.06 | juhov | frem: vfat |
| 18:58.11 | Frem | thanks |
| 18:58.14 | greycat | Yaroon: then install a debian kernel. |
| 18:58.25 | greycat | Yaroon: /msg dpkg config-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
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| 18:58.40 | infodroid | don't debian kernels come with debian-specific patches? isn't that why you need a "debian" kernel? |
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| 19:00.02 | ericb_ | anyone knows a good program to draw network graphs and schemes ? like... to draw the structure of a network... beside gimp ? |
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| 19:00.13 | drasko | hello everybody |
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| 19:00.43 | greycat | infodroid: they are indeed patched, but not all of the patches are "debian specific" |
| 19:00.45 | bfk42 | hello |
| 19:01.00 | infodroid | ericb: dia - kivio - openoffice's graph component |
| 19:01.06 | arango | Everytime I boot into windows it removes grub from the MBR |
| 19:01.14 | greycat | infodroid: and there's no explicit *need* to run a "debian kernel" just because you run Debian. I have one woody box with a custom redhat-based kernel for one piece of hardware that NOTHING supports except linux 2.4.7-ish (and of course openbsd). |
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| 19:01.21 | drasko | where is /dev/ttyzf -it's missing on my machine, an so I am haveing problems with bootlogd |
| 19:01.54 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.02 | veleno | my epson usb scanner has always worked properly. now when I launch it as user, i get "no device available" in xsane, and as root it get stuck while trying to scan something. suggestions? |
| 19:02.10 | infodroid | greycat: what do the patches add? are they security patches? |
| 19:02.30 | BaREmE | Selam |
| 19:02.35 | BaREmE | aranýzda turk warmý :)) |
| 19:02.43 | felix | greycat: the problem is maximum number of file descriptors. |
| 19:02.56 | felix | greycat: did you know how can i grow up the max number of file descriptors? |
| 19:03.10 | stew | !tr |
| 19:03.10 | dpkg | trke yardm iin #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr |
| 19:03.16 | arango | I heard there is a way to add grub to the boot.ini in Windows. How is this done ? |
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| 19:04.25 | blowfish | hello |
| 19:04.31 | blowfish | there are problem with updateing? |
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| 19:04.39 | BaREmE | Thnks |
| 19:04.39 | stew | blowfish: gcc on sid? |
| 19:04.39 | BaREmE | :) |
| 19:04.40 | blowfish | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 19:04.40 | blowfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.42 | blowfish | sid |
| 19:04.47 | blowfish | i get these problems |
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| 19:04.51 | blowfish | and all my php scripts are dead |
| 19:04.52 | stew | blowfish: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 19:04.55 | blowfish | errors after error |
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| 19:05.42 | Jooon | does anyone have any experience with Usermode Linux hosting companies? prefererbly those that does debian? |
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| 19:06.39 | blowfish | stew depends problems |
| 19:06.44 | Yaroon | config_netlink_dev=m seems to be the only thing returned from less /boot-config-* | grep netlink |
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| 19:07.05 | stew | blowfish: what happens when you "apt-get install apt-utils php4 php4-pear" ? |
| 19:07.17 | stew | blowfish: are you getting the libgcc1 > 4.0 problem? |
| 19:07.37 | blowfish | nope |
| 19:07.41 | blowfish | other stuff |
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| 19:07.46 | blowfish | apt-utils ya |
| 19:07.48 | blowfish | that one |
| 19:07.51 | Athon_Solo | Jooon: I use Bytemark Hosting, based in the UK. Very good service to date. |
| 19:07.51 | blowfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.57 | blowfish | but php on other |
| 19:08.03 | blowfish | so they dont update that lib? |
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| 19:08.18 | stew | you have to hold apt-utils to the previous version until libgcc1 gets uploaded |
| 19:08.32 | blowfish | that wont be a problem |
| 19:08.32 | TheNewNewUser | does anyone know how to use a HighPoint Rocket 133 IDE-Controller with Debian 3.0 r4 at Installation? |
| 19:08.41 | blowfish | there is any possible way to undo this update i;ve made |
| 19:08.52 | blowfish | cause all my php script failed to work |
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| 19:09.20 | infodroid | blowfish: u can do apt-get install ...=versionnumber |
| 19:09.24 | stew | blowfish: whats the problem with instlaling the newer php? |
| 19:09.36 | Jooon | Athon_Solo: ah. I have heard of them. that domain you see everywhere kai.vm.bytemark.co.uk :) |
| 19:09.40 | blowfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.43 | J_1 | anyone know anyone doc about dbootstrap ? name is dbootstrap for create another roo fs into debian... ? |
| 19:09.56 | blowfish | and i got this version : 4.3.10-3 |
| 19:10.17 | stew | blowfish: you have to put that on hold too then |
| 19:10.32 | blowfish | so there isnt any other way |
| 19:10.33 | blowfish | just wait |
| 19:10.34 | infodroid | J_!: u mean debootstrap |
| 19:10.47 | blowfish | there is any apt-get go-back? |
| 19:10.49 | greycat | blowfish: no. |
| 19:10.59 | stew | blowfish: welcome to sid |
| 19:11.03 | blowfish | :> |
| 19:11.06 | blowfish | ok thanks for the info |
| 19:11.12 | kasthood | hi, knows anyone how to configure smb.conf the way a share can only accessed by two unix-users??? |
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| 19:11.36 | greycat | kasthood: make a group, make it 770, etc. |
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| 19:12.17 | kasthood | ok |
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| 19:13.12 | kasthood | sorry so on the fon .. |
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| 19:18.17 | Lee__ | kasthood: try #samba. helpful people are there |
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| 19:19.47 | joebob2000 | can anyone explain why the wheel on my usb wheel mouse randomly works |
| 19:19.55 | kasthood | your are right im using the wrong channel ;) |
| 19:20.00 | mattilius | joebob2000, dirty? |
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| 19:20.15 | joebob2000 | im using the default x/gnome packages in sarge |
| 19:20.18 | mattilius | joebob2000, try poping your mouse and cleaning it (dont break it though) |
| 19:20.27 | mattilius | it could just be a hair over the sensor |
| 19:20.31 | kasthood | knows anyone how to configure smb.conf the way a share can only accessed by two unix-users??? |
| 19:20.32 | joebob2000 | not randomly like that, randomly as in if i reboot 'maybe' it will work |
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| 19:20.39 | mattilius | oh |
| 19:20.39 | Shadda | Alright, I think i've found the issue |
| 19:20.42 | joebob2000 | but probably not, if i reboot again my chances go up |
| 19:20.43 | Shadda | but i need a little help |
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| 19:20.51 | mattilius | nevermind, i wouldn't know what is causing that joebob2000 |
| 19:20.59 | Shadda | It looks like linux is trying to start my network twice on boot up |
| 19:21.17 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: yes, that's almost exactly what it does. |
| 19:21.18 | Shadda | it does ifconfig eth0 up once, then loads a few other things, then repeats |
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| 19:21.25 | stew | Shadda: #knoppix |
| 19:21.28 | asg | Shadda: 2nd time's a charm |
| 19:21.36 | Shadda | asg is it supposed to be doing that? |
| 19:21.50 | Shadda | it works on the first try |
| 19:21.54 | mattilius | which APT utility do i use to install a deb file (including dependancies)? |
| 19:21.56 | a_monkey | whenever X starts, i get an error from xfree saying "(EE) RADEON: No valid modes found ; (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a useable configuration" |
| 19:21.59 | Shadda | the second time it gives me open_sock(socket 0) failed |
| 19:22.04 | Shadda | device or resource busy |
| 19:22.07 | Lee__ | mattilius: dpkg |
| 19:22.13 | mattilius | Lee__, ty |
| 19:22.32 | a_monkey | i tried to install debian on another machine and i got the exact same error |
| 19:22.53 | stew | dondelelcaro: has any work been done to make a web page for querying blootbot factoids? |
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| 19:23.00 | dondelelcaro | stew: nope |
| 19:23.03 | a_monkey | seems like my modes are "valid" |
| 19:23.18 | a_monkey | can somebody help? i've been screwing around with my xf86config all morning trying to figure this out |
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| 19:23.29 | stew | dondelelcaro: i might look into throwing one together |
| 19:23.39 | stew | (as if i need another side project :) |
| 19:24.04 | Lee__ | a_monkey: there's a dpkg command to reconfigure a package. I forget the xfree one. |
| 19:24.32 | a_monkey | Lee__: i did that, but i still get the error |
| 19:24.34 | mattilius | yay. no more 2-finger-tap=middle button |
| 19:24.38 | mattilius | and 3-finger=right |
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| 19:25.04 | a_monkey | the only display mode i have set is "1280x960" |
| 19:25.04 | Shadda | So its normal for it to start the network twice? |
| 19:25.05 | p88 | debian vs. BSD? |
| 19:25.10 | Lee__ | !tell a_monkey configure xf4 |
| 19:25.10 | Shadda | and...fail on the second time |
| 19:25.25 | a_monkey | why is "1280x960" not valid? |
| 19:25.29 | mattilius | p88, debian for software availability |
| 19:25.33 | xuser | What's the line to add to startx for it to not listen in any ports? |
| 19:25.35 | abrotman | !tell p88 about why debian |
| 19:25.40 | mattilius | i dont know about BSD |
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| 19:25.42 | abrotman | !tell p88 about why debian bsd |
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| 19:25.53 | abrotman | !tell p88 about debian bsd |
| 19:26.06 | joebob2000 | if at first you dont succeed |
| 19:26.13 | mattilius | force it |
| 19:26.14 | abrotman | yeah well |
| 19:26.17 | p88 | okay |
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| 19:26.26 | a_monkey | seems like our trusty little bot isn't working today. |
| 19:26.35 | mattilius | !irritate dpkg |
| 19:26.35 | dpkg | dpkg: wenas how can I make my knoppix werkz kthx |
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| 19:26.41 | mattilius | its working |
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| 19:27.02 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 19:27.03 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
| 19:27.10 | mattilius | what is wenas supposed to be anyway |
| 19:27.18 | juhov | !wenas |
| 19:27.18 | kirbymeister | !why debian |
| 19:27.18 | dpkg | [wenas] Spanish term for someone who likes to stuff small rodents and tomatoes up their rectum. |
| 19:27.18 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 19:27.28 | joebob2000 | this mouse thing is really absurd, ive read every guide and asked several times and noone can give me a straight answer |
| 19:27.31 | mattilius | What! |
| 19:27.38 | takatumi | mattilius: :P |
| 19:27.39 | joebob2000 | how is it so hard for debian to make my FING MOUSE WORK |
| 19:27.42 | Lee__ | !start an mta war |
| 19:27.42 | dpkg | postfix is a spam magnet |
| 19:27.51 | takatumi | joebob2000: FING?? |
| 19:27.52 | mattilius | joebob2000, what kind of mouse and what port is it plugged into? |
| 19:28.09 | joebob2000 | its a logitech usb wheel mouse |
| 19:28.13 | abrotman | takatumi: you know .. fucking ? |
| 19:28.15 | abrotman | more like f'ing |
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| 19:28.35 | abrotman | dunno .. if i were fucking .. i wouldn't want to go to work either |
| 19:28.38 | takatumi | abrotman: hyper, no fucky fucky. |
| 19:28.38 | a_monkey | how do i make sure /etc/X11/X points to my X server? |
| 19:28.39 | mattilius | joebob2000, make sure the mouse is using dev/input/mice in /etc/X11/XF86config-4 |
| 19:28.51 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 19:28.51 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
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| 19:28.57 | mattilius | and make sure it has Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 19:29.02 | mattilius | i think that s right |
| 19:29.06 | joebob2000 | the problem isnt getting it to point at stuff, its getting it to do it reliably |
| 19:29.17 | joebob2000 | ive tried a dozen configs |
| 19:29.24 | takatumi | joebob2000: that usually always the problem |
| 19:29.30 | joebob2000 | it will never work unless theres also a ps/2 mouse plugged in at the same time |
| 19:29.30 | otjeohoh | i just compiled my first kernel but i'd like to read about what happend... i saw directories making and tarring things etc, where can i read some background about it? |
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| 19:29.33 | takatumi | s/that/that's |
| 19:29.40 | mattilius | joebob2000, sounds like a BIOS problem |
| 19:29.46 | mattilius | joebob2000, do you have "Legacy USB" on? |
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| 19:29.52 | mattilius | joebob2000, if so, try turning it off |
| 19:29.58 | joebob2000 | thats funny bc windows 2000 works great on the same hardware |
| 19:30.08 | Lee__ | that's because Windows 2000 is rad! |
| 19:30.09 | joebob2000 | no its not turned on in bios |
| 19:30.13 | Lee__ | </sarcasm> |
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| 19:30.24 | abrotman | gnarly? |
| 19:30.33 | mattilius | does it do the same thing with another USB mouse with the same features? |
| 19:30.59 | joebob2000 | well minus the sarcasm, at this point im fairly convinced deb is an inadequate desktop |
| 19:31.01 | joebob2000 | yes i have several logitech usb wheels, some wireless |
| 19:31.02 | takatumi | joebob2000: this one's mine, works fine. http://gpoppy.org/XF86Config-4 |
| 19:31.12 | Shadda | alright does *anybody* know how i can make linux stop trying to start my network twice? |
| 19:31.16 | mattilius | joebob2000, i just got Debian working on a laptop. Completely. |
| 19:31.17 | joebob2000 | they all behave the exact same way on this machine, and perfectly fine on any windows machine i use |
| 19:31.23 | mattilius | joebob2000, and noone has tested it before |
| 19:31.40 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 19:31.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 19:31.51 | mattilius | hmm |
| 19:31.54 | mattilius | motherboard? |
| 19:32.14 | abrotman | joebob2000: my usb mouse works perfectly fine .. you do have hotplug or usbmgr installed right ? |
| 19:32.15 | mattilius | im serious, it sounds like some kind of hardware/firmware issue that windows doesnt trip |
| 19:32.29 | jjazz | joebob2000: At the risk of having the entire channel flame me, I have a suggestion: boot from a knoppix CD, steal its XF86Config-4 file, reboot without the CD and see if that works |
| 19:32.31 | joebob2000 | yeah, the mouse always gets picked up |
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| 19:32.45 | abrotman | jjazz: you assume it's an X problem .. it might not be |
| 19:32.59 | mattilius | joebob2000, |
| 19:33.03 | joebob2000 | theres something with the x config, ive tried just about every example i can find and none works very well |
| 19:33.05 | jjazz | abrotman: I assume nothing... I'm not saying it will work... but it's worth a shot. |
| 19:33.07 | mattilius | run this as root in a terminal |
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| 19:33.15 | mattilius | cat /dev/input/mice |
| 19:33.25 | mattilius | then, move your mousewheel and see if you get any output |
| 19:33.33 | ChrysalisM | joebob2000: what protocol are you using |
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| 19:33.35 | joebob2000 | no i dont |
| 19:33.36 | mattilius | if so, and the wheel isnt working, its X |
| 19:33.50 | mattilius | control-c it to cancel CAT |
| 19:33.54 | FieldySnuts | i'm trying to access the vnc server i started at home, from work. via ssh. i've done this in the past. vncviewer -via `ssh -l username home-ip -p home-port -C` :1 . ssh logs me in, but then nothing else happens. vncserver's logs don't help. |
| 19:33.54 | takatumi | and try mdetect |
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| 19:34.00 | ChrysalisM | joebob2000: in your XF86Config |
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| 19:34.04 | mattilius | its not X |
| 19:34.11 | joebob2000 | okay fair enough |
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| 19:34.55 | mattilius | joebob2000, try an Ubuntu liveCD. its close enough to debian, and you can use the debian mirrors if you really want to. |
| 19:34.59 | mattilius | joebob2000, it may work there |
| 19:35.02 | joebob2000 | the mouse stays plugged in all the time. last time i booted the wheel worked great. this time, i had no such luck |
| 19:35.25 | abrotman | all this for a wheel? |
| 19:35.38 | mattilius | joebob2000, try unplugging it and plugging it back in? |
| 19:35.45 | mattilius | joebob2000, should reinitialize the mouse |
| 19:35.57 | mattilius | abrotman, thats not helping... |
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| 19:36.01 | abrotman | he could always ask #xfree86 :) |
| 19:36.07 | abrotman | mattilius: what isn't ? |
| 19:36.15 | abrotman | taking the wheel and button? |
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| 19:36.19 | mattilius | nevermind |
| 19:36.23 | joebob2000 | abrotman: it seems its not an xfree86 problem |
| 19:36.23 | abrotman | it just makes it a mac mouse :) |
| 19:36.26 | scorphus | someone help me remeber the name of the program that limits the use of a connection |
| 19:36.39 | mattilius | joebob2000, did you do the cat thing? |
| 19:36.40 | scorphus | or the use of the bandwidth |
| 19:36.42 | abrotman | joebob2000: dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 19:36.56 | joebob2000 | mattilius: yes, no output when i move the wheel |
| 19:37.07 | abrotman | scorphus: trickle |
| 19:37.07 | mattilius | joebob2000, did you get output when you moved the mouse or clicked? |
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| 19:37.20 | scorphus | nope... |
| 19:37.23 | joebob2000 | yes i did |
| 19:37.28 | mattilius | ok, its not X |
| 19:37.34 | abrotman | scorphus: what's wrong with trickle? |
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| 19:37.57 | magdy | hello |
| 19:37.57 | mattilius | and its not an incorrect protocol, /dev/input/mice is raw data |
| 19:38.17 | mattilius | sounds like its a buggy mouse, or a buggy chipset/BIOS |
| 19:38.17 | abrotman | scorphus: ?? |
| 19:38.18 | scorphus | abrotman: once agor I used a comand like this <command> -t10000 apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:38.26 | joebob2000 | well thats great |
| 19:38.33 | joebob2000 | hotplugging it killed it entirely |
| 19:38.34 | abrotman | scorphus: i'd guess trickle .. or netbrake |
| 19:38.40 | scorphus | abrotman: where <command>... |
| 19:38.40 | magdy | wha't the result of apt-get source package? how I can replicate this command with dpkg and dsc diff tgz?:) |
| 19:38.42 | abrotman | !info trickle |
| 19:38.43 | scorphus | netbrake! |
| 19:38.44 | mattilius | joebob2000, wait a sec |
| 19:38.47 | scorphus | abrotman: thanks! |
| 19:38.48 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-3 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 19:38.51 | abrotman | scorphus: afaik .. netbarke isn't in debian |
| 19:38.57 | abrotman | scorphus: but it does build on sarge |
| 19:39.02 | greycat | magdy: man dpkg-source |
| 19:39.08 | abrotman | scorphus: but maybe try trickle |
| 19:39.18 | abrotman | !info netbrake |
| 19:39.25 | mattilius | crap, no init script for usb |
| 19:39.25 | scorphus | abrotman: I'll try it! Do you think it is better? |
| 19:39.41 | abrotman | scorphus: well .. from what i remember .. netbrake hasn't been developed in about 5 years :) |
| 19:40.04 | scorphus | abrotman: K, thanks again! |
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| 19:40.20 | mattilius | joebob2000, try "lsmod" and use "rmmod <modulename> && modprobe <modulename" for each USB related module |
| 19:40.39 | mattilius | mattilius, that should reinitialize all of your usb devices |
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| 19:40.45 | takatumi | greycat: will be catching up with you next week. |
| 19:40.48 | fromfc2deb | what is the equivalent debian package to fedora's mplayerplug-in? |
| 19:40.55 | mattilius | joebob2000, UHCI/OHCI is usb related |
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| 19:41.00 | yuber | hi |
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| 19:41.16 | yuber | i got a bttv with radio .... the driver is build into the kernel |
| 19:41.17 | magdy | tanx greycat |
| 19:41.23 | abrotman | !tell fromfc2deb about mplayer |
| 19:41.31 | yuber | whats the best way to give a radio=1? |
| 19:41.45 | luctor | cat /proc/bus/usb/devices show my scanner but it isnt recognisez when I start xsane ? did I miss some modules ? hp 5200c |
| 19:41.49 | a_monkey | i was told to make sure that /etc/X11/X linked to /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86, but my /etc/X11/X links to another location: /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 19:41.51 | joebob2000 | i was able to remove the *hci but it wont let me remove usbcore |
| 19:41.57 | a_monkey | what the? |
| 19:41.58 | fromfc2deb | abrotman: what? |
| 19:42.02 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: mozilla-mplayer |
| 19:42.13 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 19:42.13 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see 'marillat' or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 19:42.25 | abrotman | !tell fromfc2deb about marillat |
| 19:42.31 | a_monkey | is that sentence complete, my first one? |
| 19:42.33 | abrotman | fromfc2deb: dpkg is telling you stuff |
| 19:42.40 | mattilius | joebob2000, "rmmod -f <modulename" should force it. be careful, you may have to reboot. |
| 19:42.44 | joebob2000 | in getting rid of those though the mouse started working again |
| 19:42.45 | a_monkey | oh, never mind |
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| 19:42.47 | joebob2000 | no wheel yet though |
| 19:42.47 | Jooon | doesn't vlc and xine have the same licensing issues as mplayer? |
| 19:42.48 | abrotman | fromfc2deb: and iirc .. the plugin you want is in those sources |
| 19:42.56 | vmstat | hello |
| 19:43.00 | abrotman | Jooon: ask debian-legal |
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| 19:43.14 | a_monkey | can somebody help? |
| 19:43.17 | mattilius | Jooon, tightvnc is gpl i believe |
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| 19:43.27 | mattilius | Jooon, good replacement for vnc IMO |
| 19:43.31 | abrotman | a_monkey: what's wrong with that ? |
| 19:43.36 | vmstat | Can anyone here help-me with ht://Dig |
| 19:43.40 | abrotman | mattilius: VLC .. not vnc |
| 19:43.43 | takatumi | a_monkey: you said, nevermind. |
| 19:43.44 | vmstat | How i change result per page? |
| 19:43.48 | mattilius | abrotman, oops :) |
| 19:43.49 | fromfc2deb | but i already have that package installed and whenever i try to view a video firefox prompts me to save it or open it with an app. i chose mplayer and nothing happened! |
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| 19:44.08 | abrotman | !mplayerplugin |
| 19:44.08 | dpkg | well, mplayerplugin is http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:44.15 | abrotman | !mplayerplug-in |
| 19:44.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayerplug-in is http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 19:44.19 | a_monkey | nevermind my nevermind. how do i change the link target of /etc/X11/X ? |
| 19:44.36 | abrotman | a_monkey: why would you want to? |
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| 19:45.00 | takatumi | a_monkey: ok, nevermind. |
| 19:45.00 | mattilius | joebob2000, i really don't know whats going on. My USB mice work fine, without any setup at all (besides what the debian installer does) |
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| 19:45.18 | a_monkey | abrotman: dpgk says its link target should be something else than what it is right now. |
| 19:45.23 | joebob2000 | you don't know what youve got til its gone |
| 19:45.27 | mattilius | joebob2000, there MS mice though, but i believe they have Logitek hardware (last time i looked) |
| 19:45.28 | joebob2000 | wheel, why have you forsaken me |
| 19:45.28 | abrotman | a_monkey: why do you think that? |
| 19:45.33 | juhov | a_monkey: but /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 and /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 are the same thing |
| 19:45.42 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: then I think you have found a bug |
| 19:45.50 | yuber | hu? whats the best way to give radio=1 to a in kernel buildin bttv-card? |
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| 19:46.06 | mattilius | joebob2000, you could always go find a USB->PS2 converter and plug it in the ps2 port, if you have to. That should work. |
| 19:46.07 | a_monkey | juhov: oh, thx |
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| 19:46.10 | fromfc2deb | abrotman: are you saying i have to download the source and compile it?? |
| 19:46.12 | mattilius | joebob2000, i had one, worked great |
| 19:46.29 | abrotman | fromfc2deb: i think .. i'm not an mplayer person .. you might do better to come back in an hour or so and ask again |
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| 19:46.40 | abrotman | fromfc2deb: there are many mplayer people here .. but none at the moment |
| 19:46.53 | mattilius | fromfc2deb, ive used mplayer. Its a pain in the arse. |
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| 19:47.02 | mattilius | fromfc2deb, but nice once you get it right |
| 19:47.04 | hool | i have a 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel that i apted... does it have alsa support built in or do i need a newer one? |
| 19:47.15 | stew | hool: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 19:47.16 | mattilius | google for marrilot |
| 19:47.17 | abrotman | !tell hool about real kernel |
| 19:47.21 | stew | !marillat |
| 19:47.22 | dpkg | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 19:47.22 | abrotman | mattilius: marillat |
| 19:47.26 | grivell | abrotman: marillat doesn't have mplayer plugin, etc? |
| 19:47.29 | abrotman | and i already told him |
| 19:47.30 | takatumi | mplayer works fine here, tried running one in framebuffer and one in X concurrently and they both worked fine. |
| 19:47.35 | mattilius | !tell fromfc2deb about marillat |
| 19:47.36 | abrotman | grivell: dunno .. don't use mplayer :) |
| 19:47.47 | mattilius | fromfc2deb, marillat has an mplayer DEB package |
| 19:47.54 | grivell | Neither do I, but I will bet a lefty that marillat has it ;) |
| 19:48.05 | mattilius | fromfc2deb, and a legally-questionable w32 codec pack that lets you use WMV, xvid, ect. |
| 19:48.10 | Jooon | the mplayer plugin is in debian. it is called mozilla-mplayer. there is no license issues there. it however depends on mplayer which is not in debian |
| 19:48.31 | abrotman | grivell: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/ .. not that i see |
| 19:48.41 | stew | grivell: its not there |
| 19:48.43 | abrotman | !info mozilla-mplayer sarge |
| 19:48.51 | abrotman | Jooon: guess not |
| 19:48.53 | abrotman | !info mozilla-mplayer |
| 19:48.55 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1 (sid), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
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| 19:48.59 | drasko | I have problem with bootlogd having problems with /dev/ttyzf |
| 19:48.59 | abrotman | but it is in sid :) |
| 19:49.08 | mattilius | its in there |
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| 19:49.12 | mattilius | i used it in Ubuntu |
| 19:49.17 | abrotman | !why isn't mozilla-mplayer in testing |
| 19:49.20 | fromfc2deb | i installed mplayer from marillat and the codecs a week ago. so what gives? |
| 19:49.21 | tid-wave | hello can i instal X.Org in debian sid ? |
| 19:49.21 | mattilius | ... its just hiding! |
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| 19:49.24 | abrotman | mattilius: not in sarge |
| 19:49.32 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: did you apt-get install mozilla-mplayer ? |
| 19:49.33 | greycat | !listkeys why isn't |
| 19:49.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'why isn't' by key returned no results. |
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| 19:49.39 | greycat | !listkeys why is |
| 19:49.39 | abrotman | tid-wave: why are oyu asking us? |
| 19:49.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'why is' by key (2 shown): why is god in heaven ;; cmd: why is (.*?) not in testing. |
| 19:49.42 | takatumi | tid-wave: yes, its possible. |
| 19:49.43 | abrotman | !why isnt mozilla-mplayer in testing |
| 19:49.52 | greycat | abrotman: see above |
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| 19:49.55 | stew | !why is mozilla-mplayer not in testing |
| 19:49.56 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mozilla-mplayer |
| 19:49.58 | tid-wave | takatumi: is there a debian package for it ? |
| 19:50.03 | abrotman | greycat: i see |
| 19:50.04 | takatumi | tid-wave: no. |
| 19:50.09 | tid-wave | takatumi: why ? |
| 19:50.11 | fromfc2deb | Jooon: yes i did! |
| 19:50.18 | mattilius | damn its getting cold. I hate snow. |
| 19:50.20 | abrotman | well .. that's a crappy reason |
| 19:50.22 | takatumi | tid-wave: awaiting the release of sarge. |
| 19:50.28 | diepes | does wpa_supplicant support setting wifi connection in adhoc mode ? |
| 19:50.30 | drasko | bootlogd io ctl ttyzf problems... |
| 19:50.36 | abrotman | !fuck alpha |
| 19:50.47 | hool | mattilius: here there's too little snow to snowmobile and too much for it to be spring.. |
| 19:50.52 | stew | tid-wave: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 19:50.59 | takatumi | drasko: still having trouble with bootlogd eh? |
| 19:51.08 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: I installed that package. after restarting galeon it "just worked". apparently it does not for you. you found a bug. congratulation :) |
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| 19:51.53 | mattilius | hool, we had almost no snow, and now we have over a foot. Weather is nuts |
| 19:52.17 | drasko | takatumi, Yes.. I found out that there is some general problem with this script.. something with udev and /dev/ttyzf - whatever thet would be... |
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| 19:52.32 | hool | i need about 5 feet of powder, a real mountain special with 800+ cc and someone else to pay for the gas =) |
| 19:52.36 | hool | then im happy |
| 19:52.46 | mattilius | lol |
| 19:52.48 | asg | hool: I'd rather just hang in the hottub with a beer |
| 19:53.01 | hool | asg: one thing doesn't exclude the other? |
| 19:53.03 | hool | n00b ;) |
| 19:53.06 | takatumi | drasko: I run udev and bootlogd works just fine. which version of udev you running? |
| 19:53.09 | brynjarh | wtf, I just spent 20 minutes writing about a certain thing to my friend, pressed enter and got "(20:36:31) Unable to send message. The message is too large." !! And no way to recover what I just wrote! (Gaim using the MSN Messenger protocol..). aah! |
| 19:53.13 | fromfc2deb | well, i had some many problems with debian that i am considering going back to fedora which my girlfriend likes very much!. yes i know, it sounds blasphemous but... |
| 19:53.22 | drasko | takatumi, but it worked fine at home, though... Just as you suggested it... tnx |
| 19:53.26 | mattilius | hool, how do you snowmobile and sit in a hottub at the same time? Am i missing something? |
| 19:53.30 | stew | brynjarh: don't you have gaim logging? |
| 19:53.30 | asg | hool: don't think the bike will be allowed in the hottub though |
| 19:53.48 | asg | s/bike/snowmobile/ |
| 19:53.51 | brynjarh | stew: the only thing that was loged was "(20:36:31) Unable to send message. The message is too large." |
| 19:54.14 | hool | mattilius: beginners.. first you snowmobile.. then you soak in the hottub so you're fresh for the next days snowmobileing |
| 19:54.30 | stew | man, i hate snowmobiles |
| 19:54.39 | drasko | takatumi, udev version 0.050-6 |
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| 19:55.12 | stew | snowmobiles can very quickly ruin a nice peaceful afternoon of backcountry skiing |
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| 19:55.21 | drasko | I will remeber this bootlogd trouble for a long long time...!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:55.25 | takatumi | drasko: hmm, I'm running -5, check bts /msg dpkg bts |
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| 19:55.31 | asg | stew: that's what the claymores are for |
| 19:55.40 | abrotman | drasko: will you tell stories to your children ? |
| 19:55.57 | hool | stew: every green trekking nazi hates snowmobiles. but they just love to ski in the tracks :) |
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| 19:56.12 | drasko | abrotman, uh, hope not... |
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| 19:56.28 | abrotman | hool: not quite true |
| 19:56.36 | hool | it is here at least |
| 19:56.43 | abrotman | here where? |
| 19:56.46 | hool | sweden |
| 19:56.51 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: what does about:plugins say? |
| 19:56.54 | abrotman | right .. lazy europeans |
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| 19:57.12 | hool | there's lit prepared ski lanes for that shit |
| 19:57.36 | stew | hool: "backcountry" "afternoon" not lit, lanes |
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| 19:57.45 | hool | the best exerscise i ever had was on a snowmobile :D |
| 19:57.54 | abrotman | right .. lazy europeans |
| 19:57.55 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:58.03 | hool | yeah whatever.. |
| 19:58.16 | hool | damn canadians for manufacuting them ;P |
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| 19:58.27 | abrotman | i don't think they do |
| 19:58.38 | Jooon | canadians makes swedish people? |
| 19:58.39 | hool | bombardier is canadian? |
| 19:58.40 | abrotman | i don't tihnk polaris is canadian |
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| 19:58.46 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:58.48 | abrotman | duno about them |
| 19:58.50 | hool | i said snowmobiles :P |
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| 19:58.57 | abrotman | polaris makes snowmobiles |
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| 19:59.06 | matt__ | How do I get back into my X window once I use ALT+F<number> to get out of it? |
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| 19:59.15 | Rawplayer | alt+f7 |
| 19:59.16 | asg | matt__: alt F7 usually |
| 19:59.17 | matt__ | It's pissing me off something chronic |
| 19:59.19 | abrotman | hool: http://snowmobiles.polarisindustries.com/snowmobiles/default.aspx |
| 19:59.37 | hool | abrotman: i know they make them.. but i say they suck ;P |
| 19:59.39 | matt__ | nope |
| 19:59.41 | matt__ | that's not it |
| 19:59.51 | asg | matt__: then start at ALT+F1 and go to the end of the keyboard |
| 19:59.53 | abrotman | hool: dunno .. you say lots of things .. i haven't seen a true one yet :) |
| 19:59.54 | Jooon | matt__: either X died or it is somewhere else |
| 19:59.55 | matt__ | sure it's alt + f<something> ? |
| 19:59.56 | takatumi | matt__: to get out is ctrl alt FX to get back in alt F7 |
| 20:00.03 | matt__ | hrm |
| 20:00.06 | matt__ | well it ain't working :/ |
| 20:00.13 | hool | abrotman: well.. just trust me, ok? :) |
| 20:00.14 | matt__ | and x must be still running |
| 20:00.18 | abrotman | hool: not likely |
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| 20:00.23 | asg | matt__: ps aux | grep X |
| 20:00.26 | hool | RACIST! ;) |
| 20:00.30 | abrotman | right |
| 20:00.42 | asg | whoohoo |
| 20:00.44 | asg | !beertime |
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| 20:00.47 | fromfc2deb | about:plugins says the mplayer plugin is installed but i do not see ram (realplayer) support |
| 20:00.47 | asg | !pubtime |
| 20:00.48 | dpkg | pubtime is probably time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 20:00.55 | abrotman | asg: yay |
| 20:01.08 | stew | !gettingclosetopubtime |
| 20:01.09 | takatumi | asg: have fun! |
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| 20:01.17 | matt__ | think it is still running |
| 20:01.24 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: it can only do realplayer format if it was compiled in |
| 20:01.27 | matt__ | put it this way, I can still hear my music from rhythmmbox |
| 20:01.36 | matt__ | which is running in X |
| 20:01.38 | hool | well.. there's new 4 stroke snowmobiles out now.. they're cleaner, quieter and still goes as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuscK :) |
| 20:01.44 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: and you have the right libraries for it |
| 20:01.53 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: ie. you have to install realplayer to get them |
| 20:01.57 | takatumi | matt__: you want to kill it and restart another one? |
| 20:02.02 | matt__ | just seems like my keyboard has stoped working or something :/ |
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| 20:02.24 | chealer | hool: finally. there was no point in using skidoos before |
| 20:02.25 | matt__ | i'd like to be able to just get back into it really |
| 20:02.33 | abrotman | stew: getting close to driving all the way up home time |
| 20:02.37 | kobs | does anyone have the ssh-installkey binary? |
| 20:02.37 | fromfc2deb | Jooon: i did not have to install realplayer on fedora to view ram files! |
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| 20:02.44 | abrotman | stew: but when i get there .. pubtime! |
| 20:02.51 | hool | yah |
| 20:03.02 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: you can probably get away by install mplayer + needed libraries |
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| 20:03.05 | matt__ | i should be able to use ALT+F1 etc to get to the other text terminals too shouldn't i? |
| 20:03.07 | a_monkey | how do i know how much memory i have on my ati radeon 9200? |
| 20:03.15 | hool | one classic joke here is that if you have a skidoo.. you dont need any tie down straps when you gonna trailer it.. |
| 20:03.16 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: in fedora "needed libraries" probably went in by itself somehow |
| 20:03.21 | jjazz | a_monkey: check top |
| 20:03.22 | abrotman | a_monkey: look in your X log |
| 20:03.24 | jreina | could somebody help me, i am trying to use mailscanner on my debian woody, but it doesnt mark my mails. |
| 20:03.25 | hool | just showel up some snow on the trailer and it stuck fast =) |
| 20:03.26 | abrotman | jjazz: wrong |
| 20:03.36 | jjazz | abrotman: Why's it wrong? |
| 20:03.39 | jreina | i dont know why |
| 20:03.44 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: can you play realmedia files from command line if you download them? |
| 20:03.46 | takatumi | matt__: for sure, is it a laptop? |
| 20:03.46 | fromfc2deb | Jooon: mplayer is already installed, do i have to remove it and compile from source? |
| 20:03.51 | abrotman | jjazz: read his question again |
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| 20:04.03 | jjazz | abrotman: Ah, I see. |
| 20:04.06 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: don't know |
| 20:04.10 | Malice961 | would renaming the version.debian to version.h fix my error when in ./make.sh where it says that the /usr/src/linux/version.h file cant be found |
| 20:04.15 | fromfc2deb | Jooon: from the comand line how? |
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| 20:04.18 | thomas_adam | Malice961: No. |
| 20:04.23 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: mplayer movie.rm |
| 20:04.24 | Malice961 | didnt think so |
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| 20:04.34 | takatumi | Malice961: install kernel-headers |
| 20:04.40 | matt__ | it's a PC |
| 20:04.46 | matt__ | with a USB keyboard |
| 20:04.54 | Araldit | I am about to install mythtv 0.17. I already got 0.16 running. So can I just make install without removing the old 0.16 |
| 20:04.55 | matt__ | keyboard works fine normally :/ |
| 20:04.56 | joebob2000 | well that was nice i tried disabling high speed usb in bios thinking it would help my mouse issue, and it caused X to crash immediately on loading, every boot |
| 20:05.17 | takatumi | matt__: try turning off legacy USB support in the BIOS |
| 20:05.24 | jreina | hello, could somebody help me with mailscanner |
| 20:05.28 | a_monkey | something's wrong with my internet connection right now, and i can't google it. |
| 20:05.37 | stew | abrotman: i'm already at home, when the time comes, its walk one block to the pubtime :) |
| 20:05.41 | takatumi | matt__: if it worked fine before, no need to fiddle with the BIOS |
| 20:05.47 | abrotman | stew: i have to drive up near I80 |
| 20:05.54 | stew | yikes, what for? |
| 20:05.56 | abrotman | stew: about 3 hour drive from my office |
| 20:05.57 | fromfc2deb | Jooon: no |
| 20:05.58 | matt__ | the keyboard works in the console |
| 20:06.02 | abrotman | stew: it's where i grew up .. danville! |
| 20:06.05 | matt__ | but just not to change tty |
| 20:06.10 | thomas_adam | Drury Lane. |
| 20:06.11 | Malice961 | takatumi : is that where the version.h file comes from? |
| 20:06.15 | abrotman | thomas_adam: in philly! |
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| 20:06.32 | matt__ | when I press the F7 key on it;'s own it displays {18~ |
| 20:06.34 | fromfc2deb | Jooon: can not play from the command line. but do i perhaps have to specify the full URL? |
| 20:06.36 | suncomet | noniin, nyt on resot kunnossa |
| 20:06.39 | suncomet | sorry |
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| 20:06.46 | takatumi | Malice961: what are you compiling? |
| 20:06.49 | stew | maps.google.com is pretty sweet |
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| 20:06.59 | joebob2000 | does mouse wheel operation have anything to do with being a 'core pointer'? |
| 20:07.01 | takatumi | stew: only in the US |
| 20:07.02 | abrotman | stew: it is very sweet .. did you find danville ? |
| 20:07.04 | matt__ | ffs, me presses the reset button |
| 20:07.14 | matt__ | cheers |
| 20:07.17 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: what url are trying to play? I want to test the same thing you do with the marillat packages. this shouldn't be so hard :) |
| 20:07.18 | thomas_adam | stew: http://jgwebber.blogspot.com/2005/02/mapping-google.html |
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| 20:07.27 | stew | abrotman: yeah, looks to be pretty much in the smack dab of nowheresville, pa :) |
| 20:07.37 | Yaroon | Is there a tool to see the names and IPs of other computers in the same network in Linux? |
| 20:07.42 | fromfc2deb | http://www.bbc.co.uk/collective/tracks/mrspilgrim_loveidontshow.ram |
| 20:07.46 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. pretty much .. sad thing is . i went to school a bit farther to the northwest |
| 20:07.51 | abrotman | stew: er .. Uni |
| 20:07.51 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: apt-get install w32codecs if you haven't already |
| 20:07.52 | boow | finger |
| 20:08.04 | joebob2000 | can anyone tell me what a core pointer is/ |
| 20:08.17 | chealer | greycat: thanks for your help with bootlog yesterday, that was very helpful |
| 20:08.19 | abrotman | the middle of your finger |
| 20:08.27 | thomas_adam | joebob2000: My mother's wagging finger. |
| 20:08.32 | stew | thomas_adam: interesting |
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| 20:08.34 | joebob2000 | good one |
| 20:08.42 | veleno | how can i use xsane as user and not as root ? sane-find-scanner reports "found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x011e) at libusb:001:002" |
| 20:09.03 | thomas_adam | veleno: The README.Debian file tells you. |
| 20:09.13 | veleno | thomas_adam, where is that? |
| 20:09.18 | fromfc2deb | w32codecs is not a deb package |
| 20:09.27 | thomas_adam | veleno: /usr/share/docs/xsane/ I'd expect. |
| 20:09.30 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: true. it's a marillat package |
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| 20:11.21 | arango | I am trying to get the mouse/trackstick working on an OQO computer (www.oqo.com). It has a trackstick similar to the IBM thinkpads and it shows up in XP as a PS/2 Mouse but it doesn't work in Linux. Can someone please help |
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| 20:11.32 | veleno | thomas_adam, there's no README.Debian |
| 20:12.32 | stew | arango: does it show up in mdetect? do you see garbage when you cat /dev/psmouse and move the stick? |
| 20:13.05 | arango | stew: let me try and I will get back to you |
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| 20:14.03 | arango | stew: before I reboot I'd like to give you some info on how XP reports it. Can I paste you ? |
| 20:14.19 | stew | arango: i'm not really interested |
| 20:14.25 | stew | arango: i doubt it would help |
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| 20:14.56 | arango | stew: will the XP info help determine the properties of the device ? |
| 20:15.22 | stew | arango: i don't see how |
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| 20:15.51 | stew | arango: if you want, paste it into #flood or /msg dpkg paster |
| 20:16.21 | arango | stew: if you don't think it will help then .... |
| 20:16.41 | stew | arango: what kernel are you using? |
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| 20:17.13 | arango | stew: 2.6.8-13 |
| 20:18.06 | stew | arango: do you have psmouse and mosedev modules loaded? |
| 20:18.11 | stew | err mousedev |
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| 20:18.25 | arango | stew: its going to take me a few minutes to boot linux again. XP removes grub from the MBR each time I use XP |
| 20:18.40 | stew | what? thats crazy |
| 20:19.21 | arango | stew: Yes, its irritating. I guess I will have to install grub on the / partition |
| 20:19.26 | fromfc2deb | Jooon: i am downloading these codecs: rp8codecs-win32-20040626.tar.bz2 and rp9codecs-win32-20050115.tar.bz2 from mplayer's ftp site, is that ok? |
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| 20:20.52 | jreina | hello, could somebody help me wit setting mailscanner in debian woody? |
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| 20:21.51 | arango | stew: Is there any potential problems in installing grub on / partition instead of MBR ? |
| 20:22.22 | stew | arango: no but you'll have to convince whatever bootloader is on the mbr to chainload grub off another partition |
| 20:22.40 | boow | you'll need a floppy if you install grub to partition |
| 20:22.58 | Jooon | fromfc2deb: they are in the w32codecs package as well, but yeah, those are the files that you need |
| 20:23.14 | boow | what he said |
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| 20:23.19 | stew | arango: i haven't heard of the situation you describe where xp overwrites the mbr *every time, certainly doesn't happen here |
| 20:23.45 | cthulfuego | I think it's either anti-virus OR the BIOS. |
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| 20:23.52 | boow | install xp first |
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| 20:23.57 | greg_work | if i have a mac address of a device on my LAN, how can I find the IP? |
| 20:24.18 | cthulfuego | greg_work: 'arp' |
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| 20:24.35 | greg_work | cthulfuego: that only shows recently contacted hosts |
| 20:24.40 | boow | you can boot linux with ntldr too |
| 20:24.47 | cthulfuego | greg_work: indeed. |
| 20:25.02 | greg_work | cthulfuego: so how can I contact it when I don't know it's IP? |
| 20:25.03 | ryushe | can I simply change from grub to lilo by running lilo and removing the grub packages? |
| 20:25.10 | greg_work | and it doesn't respond to broadcast pings |
| 20:25.13 | cthulfuego | greg_work: "not" basically. |
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| 20:25.19 | Occulis | i'm not sure that indeed is supposed to mean when used like that. this has always puzzled me. does it mean, "I agree." or "Yes it does" or what |
| 20:25.32 | Occulis | it seems stuffy |
| 20:25.39 | boow | i hate lilo |
| 20:26.00 | ryushe | I still dislike grub, but it seems to be the new standard for debian |
| 20:26.05 | cthulfuego | greg_work: You could check the dhcp leases file and see if that has the mac in it. |
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| 20:26.21 | idnar | Occulis: in that context it means "I agree", generally |
| 20:26.26 | Occulis | oh okay |
| 20:26.31 | Occulis | except stuffier |
| 20:26.35 | boow | i use grub to boot my 3 os's |
| 20:26.36 | greg_work | cthulfuego: yeah, i thought of that, but i'm trying to make somewhat of a general case tool, and the dhcp server might be remote |
| 20:26.53 | greg_work | maybe i should ping the entire subnet |
| 20:26.54 | distempr | Anyone know how i can make gnome's bg transparent so I can see the root window? |
| 20:26.55 | vulture | greg_work: arp only (as I understand it) allows you to go address->MAC, so the cache is all you have to work with when going the other way |
| 20:26.57 | MobyTurbo | ryushe: make sure, if apt already doesn't do it for you, to have only one installed. Else upgrading your kernel could change your bootloader. |
| 20:27.17 | greg_work | vulture: yeah, and the cache expires fairly quickly |
| 20:27.22 | ryushe | MobyTurbo > that's exactly what I want, to change the bootloader ;) |
| 20:27.30 | greg_work | is there a nice tool anyone knows that'll quickly pingscan a network? |
| 20:27.31 | vulture | greg_work: rarp (reverse arp) is the alternative, but it requires a rarp server and is really more of a dhcp thing.. |
| 20:27.36 | greycat | greg_work: nmap |
| 20:27.38 | vulture | s/dhcp/dhcp-like/ |
| 20:27.50 | vulture | what greycat said |
| 20:27.52 | greg_work | i don't even care about ping times, or non-response, i just need to ping all the hosts so I can get the mac addr's into arp |
| 20:28.14 | vulture | nmap can scan ranges of IPs |
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| 20:28.15 | arango | stew: psmouse was loaded automatically at boot but mousedev was not. I loaded it manually using modprobe mousedev |
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| 20:28.21 | ribnitz | abend. |
| 20:28.29 | ryushe | but basically I can simply install and run lilo if it's not allready installed, and that should change the bootloader right? |
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| 20:29.21 | stew | arango: that might be your problem |
| 20:29.37 | boow | i can never install lilo manually i've to use scripts like liloconfig |
| 20:29.55 | greg_work | ok, that works i guess. thanks vulture/greycat/cthulfuego |
| 20:29.57 | arango | stew: I also don't have a device file name /dev/psmouse |
| 20:30.09 | greg_work | nmap -sP 1.2.3.0/24; arp -a -n |
| 20:30.14 | cthulfuego | it's not, however, a pretty solution. |
| 20:30.16 | stew | arango: that should be /dev/psaux, sorry |
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| 20:30.30 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 20:30.48 | ribnitz | how long will it take to become a nem maintainer? |
| 20:30.54 | cthulfuego | morgen. |
| 20:30.55 | cat | years |
| 20:31.09 | stew | ribnitz: nm.debian.org shows some data, i believe |
| 20:31.09 | ribnitz | cat: literally? |
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| 20:31.22 | greycat | months at the very minimum |
| 20:31.42 | stew | ribnitz: median days: 439 |
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| 20:31.45 | cthulfuego | months easily. longer to become a DD. |
| 20:32.12 | mattboll | hi |
| 20:32.18 | ribnitz | stew: thats 1.5 years. |
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| 20:32.45 | stew | !convert 439 days to years |
| 20:32.46 | dpkg | 439 days is approximately 1.20194 years |
| 20:33.05 | greycat | dpkg: botsnack |
| 20:33.05 | dpkg | greycat: thanks |
| 20:33.20 | bender-rw- | is there a list? |
| 20:33.27 | stew | bender-rw-: /msg dpkg help |
| 20:33.29 | cthulfuego | bender-rw-: yes. |
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| 20:33.37 | cthulfuego | bender-rw-: You can download its entire database. |
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| 20:36.12 | takatumi | thomas_adam: very interesting. (just finished reading half through the commentary) |
| 20:36.27 | thomas_adam | takatumi: ? |
| 20:36.27 | takatumi | s/half/half way/ |
| 20:36.29 | bender-rw- | cthulfuego: hmm 'help' isnt very verbose? are there docs somewhere? |
| 20:36.56 | stew | bender-rw-: there's always apt-get source blootbot |
| 20:37.16 | bender-rw- | stego: good pointer, thanks |
| 20:37.17 | takatumi | thomas_adam: maps.google.com |
| 20:37.22 | thomas_adam | takatumi: Ah, yes. :) |
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| 20:37.29 | bender-rw- | argh damn complete |
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| 20:39.29 | FieldySnuts | i'm trying to access the vnc server i started at home, from work. via ssh. i've done this in the past. vncviewer -via `ssh -l username home-ip -p home-port -C` :1 . ssh logs me in, but then nothing else happens. vncserver's logs don't help. any ideas? |
| 20:39.37 | ribnitz | the existing developer-advocacy is new? |
| 20:40.00 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: sneaking in home eh? |
| 20:40.35 | FieldySnuts | takatumi: I'm an admin, i don't have to sneak, just one app comes through ssh X tunneling extremely slow |
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| 20:41.12 | Occulis | FieldySnuts: consider adjusting your brain to accept that one app, and that slowness is okay. once you have made these changes, your problem is solved |
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| 20:41.26 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: miss admin, get on with it then. |
| 20:41.27 | FieldySnuts | Occulis: if you can't offer constructive advice, keep your mouth shut. |
| 20:41.38 | greycat | !comfort FieldySnuts |
| 20:41.38 | dpkg | There, there, FieldySnuts. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:41.53 | FieldySnuts | i guess that makes me a hipocrite, but hehe, oh well! |
| 20:41.55 | DuaneAllman | hi, what should I do to make the check gpg package signature besides installing debsig-verify and debian-keyring? |
| 20:42.09 | DuaneAllman | to make those thing work, I mean |
| 20:42.29 | Occulis | :p |
| 20:42.45 | arango | stew: do you know what an I8042 port is ? |
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| 20:43.54 | FieldySnuts | wahoo! i got it. quote types are so important: vncviewer -via "username@home-host -p home-port" home-system-name:1 |
| 20:43.57 | stew | arango: nope |
| 20:44.10 | paulswm | !win FieldySnuts |
| 20:44.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, FieldySnuts! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:44.11 | takatumi | !win FieldySnuts |
| 20:44.14 | FieldySnuts | damn. vnc has gotten a lot faster |
| 20:44.24 | takatumi | paulswm: damn. |
| 20:44.35 | paulswm | takatumi: :D |
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| 20:45.40 | Occulis | FieldySnuts: what kind of connection do you have @ home |
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| 20:46.26 | takatumi | paulswm: "23:44 dpkg | Someone already said that 1 seconds ago" but that ain't true though. |
| 20:46.53 | greycat | takatumi: why isn't it? |
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| 20:47.09 | paulswm | takatumi: I thought it was within a second |
| 20:47.17 | takatumi | greycat: it was much closer than 1 second. |
| 20:47.43 | arango | Is there something special about configuring HID-enabled PS/2 mouse ? |
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| 20:48.37 | paulswm | Our packets were racing across the internet almost simultaneously |
| 20:48.52 | greycat | mine just sort of meander. |
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| 20:49.03 | FieldySnuts | 11/02/05 15:49:08 raw bytes equivalent 69445960, compression ratio 59.936702 |
| 20:49.05 | FieldySnuts | mm compression |
| 20:49.31 | paulswm | 'rm -fr /' : 100% compression |
| 20:49.38 | greycat | lossy, though. |
| 20:49.44 | paulswm | heh |
| 20:49.59 | paulswm | It's also how to find out if you're root |
| 20:50.08 | greycat | I've had to use the "rmf" compression algorithm on a few sets of data in my time, though... |
| 20:50.26 | d3s | what the diff between deborphan with apt-get remove? |
| 20:50.39 | greycat | d3s: one spits out a list. the other removes things. |
| 20:50.40 | vulture | d3s: orphan tracking |
| 20:50.47 | takatumi | greycat: you make that "in my time" sound so ancient, it scares me. |
| 20:50.53 | ribnitz | d3s: deborphan/debfoster help get rid of leftover stuff.. |
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| 20:51.06 | d3s | greycat: but I think I can use deborphan -R foobar |
| 20:51.13 | vulture | aptitude also does orphan tracking |
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| 20:52.03 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: yet another reason why you should never be root when you don't need to be |
| 20:52.21 | ribnitz | how would I get a recommendation for by an existing dd for applying? |
| 20:52.45 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: That was many years ago, and I needed to do that as root, was cleaning up an old backup |
| 20:53.08 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: a DD will advocate you based on the work that you've already done for Debian, typically. |
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| 20:53.20 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: got me a shiny new insstall out of it though, and still had /etc, /var and /home :) |
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| 20:53.21 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: generally that's the person who is sponsoring your packages, etc. |
| 20:53.26 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: heh |
| 20:53.28 | greycat | paulswm: "and /lib!" |
| 20:53.34 | jjazz | When removing a package with synaptic, does it do the equivalent of apt-get remove? apt-get remove -purge? |
| 20:53.37 | paulswm | Yes! |
| 20:53.49 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: i my case, that has not been one person. |
| 20:53.55 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: depends on what options you use... |
| 20:54.08 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: well, you only need one person to advocate you |
| 20:54.29 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: so if there's multiple people, it's not a big deal. |
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| 20:55.00 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: Hmm... I checked the options in the preferences dialog several times but didn't see it. You know where it is, offhand? |
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| 20:55.14 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: My last AM thought it was a good idea to redo the thing, after some time passed. Must have had a horrible record. |
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| 20:55.50 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: there should be a remove and purge command or similar. |
| 20:55.51 | jannol | I started xsetroot from term and now I always have a crosshair ( X ) pointer all the time, how do I unset xsetroot ? |
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| 20:56.04 | mikkele | in fluxbox, isn't the session.screen[X].toolbar.maxOver init setting supposed to toggle whether windows will maximize over the toolbar? |
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| 20:56.10 | penta | say for example if you have around 20 server and you wanna keep the configuration on place and mirror it how can i do it ? |
| 20:56.16 | mikkele | because I can't seem to make my windows stop maximizing over the toolbar |
| 20:56.18 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: FE, in aptitude, _ will purge a package |
| 20:56.20 | cthulfuego | penta: rsync |
| 20:56.30 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, svn |
| 20:56.35 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I'm looking for the option again... |
| 20:56.46 | cthulfuego | penta: Alternatively, netboot and mount / (including cfg files) via nfs. |
| 20:56.49 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: yeah, I don't use synaptic, so... |
| 20:56.55 | MobyTurbo | jannol: xsetroot -cursor_name arrow |
| 20:56.56 | pll | hi all, is there a web site somewhere that lists the total number of packages available in each of the debian repositories? |
| 20:57.03 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: cool. thanks |
| 20:57.04 | dondelelcaro | !dstats sid |
| 20:57.13 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16314 packages, 1437 maintainers, 32034 MB installed size, 10314 MB compressed size. |
| 20:57.18 | dondelelcaro | pll: ^^^ |
| 20:57.24 | d3s | what ntfs backup/partition copy for linux beside partimage? |
| 20:57.25 | pll | Very cool! |
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| 20:57.33 | dondelelcaro | pll: you can /msg dpkg dstats {otherdistribution}; |
| 20:57.48 | cthulfuego | !dstats fedora core 2 |
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| 20:57.52 | greycat | heh |
| 20:57.57 | cthulfuego | dondelelcaro: liar |
| 20:58.00 | jjazz | Does that mean if you installed every package in sid, you'd only need 32 gigs? |
| 20:58.03 | RichiH | 32 gb. nice |
| 20:58.07 | penta | cthulfuego, thx but you can not revert the configuration with rsync am i right |
| 20:58.17 | cthulfuego | penta: cvs it is, then. |
| 20:58.20 | dondelelcaro | cthulfuego: heh. Those things aren't otherdistribution. They're "masquarading as distributions" |
| 20:58.23 | pll | dondelelcaro: is there a web site with those stats? I need to point a non-IRC capable person to thiese numbers? |
| 20:58.26 | RichiH | cthulfuego: dondelelcaro does that, sometimes |
| 20:58.27 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: you can't install every package on sid |
| 20:58.27 | hool | what does /boot/os2_d.b have for function? can i delete it? |
| 20:58.32 | ribnitz | jjazz: thats probably the biggest contigious set installable. |
| 20:58.33 | penta | cthulfuego, can you do it with cvs or subversion just wondering |
| 20:58.34 | greycat | pll: write them in an e-mail |
| 20:58.45 | RichiH | jjazz: many are mutually exclusive |
| 20:58.48 | jannol | MobyTurbo, thx but it is a lefty pointer ;) ? is there others ? |
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| 20:58.50 | dondelelcaro | pll: those stats are pretty much totally useless, though... so... |
| 20:59.01 | cthulfuego | penta: I'd probably use cvs on one host and then rsync out to other hosts. |
| 20:59.07 | jjazz | dondelelcaro, ribnitz , RichiH : Yes, I suppose that's right. |
| 20:59.17 | RichiH | pll: msg the bot and c&p it to a website :) |
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| 20:59.21 | pll | dondelelcaro: that's okay, it for a marketing person, and they're pretty much useless too :) |
| 20:59.27 | cthulfuego | That's 32GB worth of 12 arches, is it not? |
| 20:59.33 | RichiH | ribnitz: i doubt that |
| 20:59.33 | dondelelcaro | cthulfuego: no, that's just i386 |
| 20:59.33 | MobyTurbo | jannol: I don't know, try google |
| 20:59.43 | cthulfuego | dondelelcaro: Yuck. |
| 20:59.47 | dondelelcaro | well, Arch: all; Arch: i386 |
| 20:59.55 | cthulfuego | dondelelcaro: Is that true or are you lying *again* ? ;-) |
| 20:59.55 | pll | !dstats woody |
| 21:00.01 | jannol | ok, is that only names for variables, where is those on my comp ? |
| 21:00.07 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: what is the syntax to query all archs? |
| 21:00.08 | penta | cthulfuego, some time rsyn kill the server load do you nkow why just wondering say i have 60G data no the mail and i have already rsynced the data to backup but when i do it again it kill the server by hight load |
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| 21:00.18 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on woody... 8974 packages, 986 maintainers, 13435 MB installed size, 4305 MB compressed size. |
| 21:00.20 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: there isn't one, unfortunatly... probably should make one |
| 21:00.35 | cthulfuego | RichiH: I think dpkg is an ia32 bigot. |
| 21:00.44 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: would be nice, yes. sometimes, you can shut up windows peons using large numbers ;) |
| 21:00.48 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: although, ravenbird will search ppc iirc |
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| 21:00.56 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 21:00.58 | ribnitz | RichiH: you mean there's a set of packages thats bigger than 32G and non-conflicing? |
| 21:01.00 | RichiH | simonrvn: that true? |
| 21:01.10 | dondelelcaro | @info yaboot |
| 21:01.13 | cthulfuego | When etch becomes active, dpkg should start doing amd64 too. |
| 21:01.16 | RichiH | ribnitz: i think the 32gb are already conflicting |
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| 21:01.29 | RichiH | cthulfuego: aren't we all= |
| 21:01.31 | pll | !dstats sarge |
| 21:01.39 | dondelelcaro | pll: you can /msg dpkg dstats sarge |
| 21:01.40 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15436 packages, 1397 maintainers, 28407 MB installed size, 9122 MB compressed size. |
| 21:01.48 | RichiH | @dstats sid |
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| 21:02.06 | ravenbird | yaboot: (Yet Another Bootloader), section base, is important. Version: 1.3.13-3 (sid), Packaged size: 178 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
| 21:02.17 | ravenbird | Debian Distro Stats on unstable... 15764 packages, 1422 maintainers, 30389 MB installed size, 9939 MB compressed size. |
| 21:02.18 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: see above... [yaboot is only ppc] |
| 21:02.21 | ribnitz | Anyone interested in finding out the maximum installable set of debian packages? (non-conflicing) |
| 21:02.28 | greycat | Dammit. my kid just rebooted my desktop box at home. |
| 21:02.39 | dondelelcaro | greycat: time to write your kid out of the will |
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| 21:02.50 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: You need another hobby. |
| 21:02.58 | greycat | dondelelcaro: it's because I've been lazy and haven't reinstalled his Windows XP box yet, after he did GOD knows what to it. |
| 21:03.10 | cthulfuego | greycat: Serves you right for breeding. |
| 21:03.13 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: ah, ok. didn't know what yaboot is |
| 21:03.25 | jjazz | greycat: How old is he? |
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| 21:03.29 | fang11 | i have a completely noob question i installed debian but theres no desktop just terminal do i have to reinstall to fix this? |
| 21:03.30 | greycat | jjazz: he'll be 11 this month |
| 21:03.46 | paulswm | If he lives that long |
| 21:03.47 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: why, wouldnt it be an interesting question? (basically knapsack with side-conditions). |
| 21:03.48 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: it's the newworld ppc bootloader |
| 21:03.49 | cthulfuego | fang11: no, just install ' |
| 21:03.59 | cthulfuego | x-window-system' and then pick a desktop to add. |
| 21:04.10 | cthulfuego | fang11: Are you after Gnome, KDE or another one? |
| 21:04.13 | jjazz | greycat: Might be old enough to install WinXP himself ;) |
| 21:04.19 | RichiH | ribnitz: if you build a graph of all the packages, you should be able to find that out without too much coding. it's np-complete though |
| 21:04.22 | greycat | jjazz: not skilled enough. |
| 21:04.36 | hool | what files in /boot are _essential_ ? |
| 21:04.41 | greycat | hool: the kernel. |
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| 21:04.57 | greycat | also your initrd if you use one of those |
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| 21:05.02 | RichiH | hool: the kernel, the grub config if there, initrd if there |
| 21:05.11 | ribnitz | RichiH: is it np-complete, or only np-hard? |
| 21:05.13 | greycat | hool: .... Why? |
| 21:05.15 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: BAsically, run through the package lists and add all installed-size fields (making sure you get no conflicts) - I imagine you could do that in a couple of minutes with a php script and a bunch of arrays. |
| 21:05.15 | fang11 | cthulfuego: um i think gnome but not completely sure what you mean |
| 21:05.29 | phorce1 | Would someone point me where to read up on printing to a printer that is connected to a Windoze box. I've played with lp, cups, etc for a week now to no avail. I'm used to having something on a jetdirect or straight on the Deb parallel port. |
| 21:05.30 | hool | im about to install a new kernel and i am short of space to unpack the new one |
| 21:05.32 | paulswm | Just last week I cleaned up an adware- and virus-laden XP box was almost completely unuseable becuase the owner let her kid brother borrow it |
| 21:05.36 | streuner__ | hool: that doesn't use _that_ much space, so leave it alone. |
| 21:05.38 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: its at least np hard |
| 21:05.40 | RichiH | ribnitz: complet |
| 21:05.47 | cthulfuego | fang11: *nod* 'ap-get install x-window-system gnome' should see you sorted then. |
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| 21:05.48 | RichiH | ribnitz: it's the rucksack problem, basically |
| 21:05.50 | greycat | paulswm: this one's fucked beyond that point. I have NO idea how. |
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| 21:06.12 | greycat | paulswm: I've been cleaning adware from it at least once a month, usually more. But it's just totally fucked by something I can't even begin to understand now. |
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| 21:06.30 | RichiH | ribnitz: just get that quantum box running and start rocking ;) |
| 21:06.38 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Nah. Just need a nice amount of ram to hold and expand a few arrays of ALL pkgs in ram :-) |
| 21:06.39 | paulswm | greycat: Proble with cleaning adware is that sometimes things break anyway |
| 21:06.42 | paulswm | Problem |
| 21:06.52 | slackd00d | is there a good howto somewhere for making a apt respotory? the one from /msg dpkg own respo orwhatever doesnt have the /pool and /dist |
| 21:07.01 | jjazz | phorce1: I would imagine a SAMBA howto might be what you need. |
| 21:07.06 | greycat | paulswm: at least I've got the kid trained to accept Linux as a partial alternative |
| 21:07.15 | paulswm | !beat XP for being crap |
| 21:07.18 | ribnitz | RichiH: Its np-hard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapsack_problem |
| 21:07.19 | cthulfuego | slackd00d: Do you have enough space on your hdd for that? |
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| 21:07.39 | stew | slackd00d: /msg dpkg repository howto |
| 21:07.42 | slackd00d | i just want it for my own packages....one that i can put on my ftp server |
| 21:07.52 | arango | What is the name of the package that changes console resolution on the fly ? |
| 21:07.55 | jjazz | greycat: I imagine the big factor for an 11-year-old is games... Windows pretty much wins that one. |
| 21:08.00 | greycat | jjazz: yup. |
| 21:08.02 | slackd00d | stew: thank you |
| 21:08.16 | cthulfuego | slackd00d: Ah ok, just copy the directory/file structure from any mirror and add your own pkgs. |
| 21:08.20 | fang11 | so all i have to do is get an x-window-system installed and desktop should be working? |
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| 21:08.27 | paulswm | greycat: That's good but peer pressure is going to have him back on XP using the dreadful free version of Kazaa, etc |
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| 21:08.41 | jjazz | greycat: I have to get my 9-yr-old nephew a birthday present. Could you recommend a game? |
| 21:08.42 | greycat | paulswm: they don't use file sharing stuff yet |
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| 21:08.47 | MobyTurbo | fang11: you still have to install the desktop you want, unless you like twm that is. |
| 21:08.49 | greycat | jjazz: ask him. |
| 21:08.56 | phorce1 | jjazz: layed with Samba too -- I can get unformatted text to spew from the printer. What I need is a way for a local program to print to it though -- by calling lpr I think (I have to dig in the code, it's perl). |
| 21:08.59 | jjazz | greycat: It's a surprise |
| 21:09.00 | hool | can i remove system map and config<current kernel> before apt is finished? |
| 21:09.09 | stew | jjazz: nethack? :) |
| 21:09.11 | fang11 | so what is a good one to choose? |
| 21:09.13 | greycat | stew: haha |
| 21:09.15 | hool | or can i use a different partition to compile? |
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| 21:09.18 | jjazz | stew: ha! |
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| 21:09.37 | streuner__ | jjazz: just listen... |
| 21:09.39 | hedonick | stew: nethack rules!!! (But perhaps not for 9 year old boys =-) |
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| 21:09.59 | greycat | hool: the system.map is *tiny* compared to the kernel. I can't imagine you need to remove it for spatial purposes. |
| 21:10.08 | jjazz | phorce1: I've gone the other way (printing from a win box to a printer on my debian box), and from what I read, I think SAMBA is really essential for what you want to do. |
| 21:10.15 | phorce1 | jjazz: ask him anyway -- when doing something completely un-birthday related. "Hey, that's cool, what kind of games do you usually like to play? I have {so and so} at home." |
| 21:10.35 | hool | greycat: im a cpl of kb away from getting my new kernel to "finish" |
| 21:10.38 | jjazz | phorce1: Yes, good idea. |
| 21:10.44 | hool | stalls with "disk full" in the end |
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| 21:11.11 | arango | What is the name of the package/program that changes console resolution on the fly ? |
| 21:11.32 | fang11 | so can i install an x-window-system with apt-get? |
| 21:11.35 | jethro | paulswm: what card are you using ndiswrapper with ? |
| 21:12.12 | phorce1 | jjazz: so I need to see if there's a way to direct lpr to use smbprint as it's default. Sucks too becuase the printer actually has a CUPS driver so I could use it direct. |
| 21:12.26 | ^c | arango: fbset? |
| 21:12.58 | jjazz | phorce1: No, you can use CUPS. |
| 21:13.02 | arango | ^c: it was something like *VGA* |
| 21:13.08 | jjazz | phorce1: CUPS and SAMBA get along |
| 21:13.59 | phorce1 | jjazz: I haven't been able to see the printer in CUPS. I guess I need to dig through my samba settings again. I can dump a text file to the printer using smbprint though. |
| 21:14.05 | jjazz | phorce1: Take a look at http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html#printing_to_windows |
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| 21:14.22 | fang11 | so does any one know if i can install an x-window-system with apt-get? |
| 21:14.40 | paulswm | jethro: Linksys WPC54GS (BCM4306) and Linksys WRT54GS router, works fine in XP, works fine unencrypted with ndiswrapper both with broadcast and hidden SSID, just haven't got them handshaking with wpa_supplicant yet |
| 21:14.41 | jjazz | fang11: Yes, you can |
| 21:15.07 | RichiH | ribnitz: both my theoretical informatics book and de.wikipedia.org tell me it's np-complete, but oh well. gotta run |
| 21:15.24 | phorce1 | jjazz: AHA! (I didn't know about the faqs.org collection) thanks. |
| 21:15.34 | marejava | fang11: yes, you can.. |
| 21:15.34 | ribnitz | RichiH: well... |
| 21:15.39 | arango | how do I change the vga=* value on the prompt instead of doing it as a kernel param ? |
| 21:16.00 | jjazz | phorce1: FWIW, when using google, the keyword 'howto' is pretty useful, as in 'windows linux printer samba howto' or something like that. |
| 21:16.07 | fang11 | is there a specific one to get or do i just put apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:16.18 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: "Read information about 15453 packages." |
| 21:16.57 | jjazz | fang11: That should work, IIRC |
| 21:17.15 | paulswm | jethro: I'm pretty sure it's because I haven't yet figured out the correct combination of wpa_supplicant options, and I really don't understand the nuts and bolts of the negototiation, so I'm having to teach myself on the way |
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| 21:18.03 | paulswm | !blame Broadcom |
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| 21:18.10 | jethro | paulswm: I had it working with a ipw2200bg, I can provide you with the configuration I used if you want, AP was a linksys too |
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| 21:18.34 | jethro | wpa-psk and tkip |
| 21:18.54 | jjazz | fang11: In order for the setup to be actually useful, you'll also need a window manager or desktop environment, like gnome, kde, twm or the like. |
| 21:19.06 | DuaneAllman | hi, what should I do to make apt check for gpg signatures when installing packages? |
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| 21:20.09 | paulswm | jethro: You are very kind. Anything might help. If you have the time and the inclination, I'd like to see your /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant, passwords removed of course |
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| 21:20.30 | jethro | hold on a sec |
| 21:20.35 | fang11 | k and i can also use apt-get to get gnome? |
| 21:20.49 | jjazz | fang11: Yep. apt-get will get just about anything :) |
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| 21:20.51 | paulswm | /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf I mean |
| 21:20.59 | jethro | yes I got it |
| 21:21.01 | jjazz | fang11: To find out package names, use apt-get search |
| 21:21.01 | fang11 | :) k i think i got it thx |
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| 21:21.28 | jjazz | fang11 I mean apt-search |
| 21:21.45 | marejava | jjazz: is apt-cache search? |
| 21:21.49 | MobyTurbo | jjazz: apt-cache search |
| 21:21.52 | jjazz | yes, that's what I meant |
| 21:21.52 | jjazz | thanks |
| 21:22.20 | Porks | hi.. i know how-to install debian woody with floopys... anyone can tel me if there are some floopys for debian sarge? |
| 21:22.53 | jurjen | Porks: there is an install CD ... very small |
| 21:23.10 | MobyTurbo | !tell Porks about d-i |
| 21:23.22 | marejava | Someone have compile java source into .deb ? |
| 21:23.23 | Porks | yeah.. i know.. but in my case i really need install with floppy |
| 21:23.25 | Porks | :| |
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| 21:23.36 | greycat | Porks: ask #debian-boot |
| 21:23.37 | MobyTurbo | marejava: use java-package |
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| 21:23.45 | Porks | greycat jjazz thanks :) |
| 21:24.02 | shingouz | Porks: how about installing a very minor woody and then just hack the sources.list and go dist-upgrade |
| 21:24.07 | MobyTurbo | marejava: oops, you mean source, not the binaries? |
| 21:24.31 | greycat | !d-i |
| 21:24.31 | dpkg | d-i is, like, the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 21:24.37 | shingouz | i think there are some install floppies on the sarge cd's but i forget |
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| 21:24.48 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.48 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.48 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.50 | marejava | MobyTurbo: yes |
| 21:24.53 | MobyTurbo | I dist-upgrade from an unofficial woody netinstall iso myself |
| 21:24.54 | Zvpun | were is the smbpasswd file saved? |
| 21:25.10 | greycat | Zvpun: /var/lib/samba/*.tdb |
| 21:25.17 | Zvpun | thanks |
| 21:25.18 | MobyTurbo | marejava: what reason do you have for doing that? |
| 21:25.30 | Zvpun | greycat: cause there is no link in the manpage |
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| 21:26.01 | greycat | the samba man pages aren't quite up to the greycat man page standard of excellence |
| 21:26.05 | marejava | MobyTurbo: :) I just try copile Eclipse! |
| 21:26.16 | greycat | they're not the worst I've ever seen, though. |
| 21:26.21 | Porks | shingouz ok :) |
| 21:26.25 | jannol | MobyTurbo, Got it know |
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| 21:26.46 | MobyTurbo | marejava: you don't need to compile Java from source to run Eclipse |
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| 21:26.56 | marejava | MobyTurbo: it is possible whith gcj-4.0 and gij.. |
| 21:27.42 | marejava | MobyTurbo: yes, i now! the problem is make best performance |
| 21:27.42 | nxvl | hi, has someone use netapplet?? |
| 21:27.45 | MobyTurbo | marejava: then you needed to be clearer with your question. |
| 21:27.46 | jannol | MobyTurbo, I used 'xsetroot -cursor cursor.xbm cursor.xbm.mask' cause I found my pointer there |
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| 21:27.59 | jannol | in my homedir |
| 21:28.03 | nxvl | im having problems adding it to the gnome panel |
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| 21:28.21 | MobyTurbo | jannol: thanks for finding that out, I'll try to remember that. |
| 21:28.27 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Read information about 15452 packages into 2.7 Mb. |
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| 21:28.56 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: That includes The Depends, Pre-Depends, Conflicts and installed-size for alls arge packages. |
| 21:28.57 | penguin | What is the MTA for Sarge? |
| 21:29.00 | MobyTurbo | marejava: compiling Java to binaries with gcj rarely gives better performance than the latest Sun or IBM Java. |
| 21:29.10 | cthulfuego | penguin: exim4 by default, postfix by sanity. |
| 21:29.15 | greycat | !when will sarge be released |
| 21:29.16 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some entrails... ok, sarge should be out by the time you graduate. |
| 21:29.16 | marejava | MobyTurbo: i use Eclipse on my pc and i want improve the performance with binary code... |
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| 21:29.48 | MobyTurbo | marejava: a JIT for Java performs better than gcj... |
| 21:29.57 | penguin | Seems to me Sarge is more stable than Woody. |
| 21:29.58 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: thats not the problem, its the time you'll need to get through all those permutations. |
| 21:29.59 | jannol | MobyTurbo, I had a dir named .themes/cursor where I found it and now it even changes my cursor if there is any in some other theme |
| 21:30.19 | vulture | marejava: stop thinking so much |
| 21:30.23 | MobyTurbo | marejava: the only reason for using gcj at present is either adherence to OSS principles or for distributing binaries that you don't want to depend on a JRE. |
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| 21:30.34 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: yeah, first runw e do a simple "start with libc6 and then do an alphabetical add" |
| 21:30.37 | greycat | MobyTurbo: or for a platform that HAS no Sun JRE. |
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| 21:30.51 | MobyTurbo | greycat: yeah, that too. |
| 21:31.14 | marejava | MobyTurbo: yes, it's a good reason! |
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| 21:31.27 | marejava | MobyTurbo: :) |
| 21:31.55 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: believe me, its not that easy. |
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| 21:32.17 | t4 | does so know where dpkg-reconfigure stores my config vars (ie for xserver-xfree86) |
| 21:32.23 | marejava | MobyTurbo: what you think about gij and kaffe ? |
| 21:32.33 | greycat | t4: for *that*, they're in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:32.48 | greycat | t4: but the super-s3kr3t debconf stuff like the md5 sums... god only knows. |
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| 21:33.14 | MobyTurbo | marejava: kaffe is mostly an implementation of Java pre-1.2, gij is even less mature. SableVM looks promising but is also unfinished. |
| 21:33.24 | abrotman | kaffe is bad |
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| 21:33.28 | greycat | $ man debconf.... search for "FILES"... oh gee, they aren't listed. why am I not surprised? |
| 21:33.28 | t4 | greycat: but it doesnt generate a new one (i got a new monitor and need to change several things) |
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| 21:33.44 | greycat | SEE ALSO |
| 21:33.44 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.46 | MobyTurbo | marejava: I would be all in favor of runinning OSS Java if I felt it was ready for prime-time, but it is not. |
| 21:33.46 | greycat | No manual entry for debconf in section 7 |
| 21:33.50 | abrotman | t4: you edited the conf file manually didn't you ? |
| 21:33.55 | sinned | hi all- i need some help with WEP configuration. |
| 21:33.59 | krakhen | what is this packeged called ncurse or ncursed |
| 21:34.05 | MobyTurbo | s/runinning/running/ |
| 21:34.10 | ribnitz | krakhen: ncurses |
| 21:34.11 | t4 | greycat: for the old one, yes, but i moved it out of the way |
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| 21:34.13 | Albacker | guys when I changed the fonts setting there wastns sans. how can I install it ? is it in the Debian Woody cd set [7-cd set] ? |
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| 21:34.24 | krakhen | oh ok, |
| 21:34.25 | krakhen | thnx |
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| 21:34.27 | greycat | t4: you MOVED the config file away?? my god. |
| 21:34.37 | greycat | t4: no WONDER it's not doing anything! |
| 21:34.47 | greycat | !confmiss |
| 21:34.47 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 21:35.01 | t4 | greycat: it actually still knows the old values, thats why i ask |
| 21:35.21 | greycat | t4: yes, there's a database somewhere. |
| 21:35.29 | greycat | t4: its location is a secret. it's not in the man pages. |
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| 21:35.47 | t4 | greycat: tks for the confmiss, didnt know that |
| 21:36.23 | marejava | MobyTurbo: how you think is good for improve the performance of eclipse? |
| 21:36.56 | MobyTurbo | marejava: certainly not gcj. Just run the latest Sun or IBM Java. |
| 21:37.22 | MobyTurbo | marejava: I wish I could say otherwise, but gcj with regards to running eclipse is at an experimental stage. |
| 21:37.40 | MobyTurbo | marejava: and with regards to speed gcj doesn't optimize enough. |
| 21:38.05 | Malice961 | okay, from following the stanchina.net ATI driver install, im running intoa problem, i have gotten to the point where it says to copy the module to the " Correct /lib/modules " dir, does that mean the dir itself, or into one of the 2.x folders ( coresponding with kernel number ) |
| 21:38.05 | Albacker | guys when I changed the fonts setting there wastns sans. how can I install it ? is it in the Debian Woody cd set [7-cd set] ? |
| 21:38.21 | MobyTurbo | marejava: I've found that Sun's 1.5 performs a tad better than earlier versions |
| 21:38.37 | greycat | Malice961: the latter. |
| 21:38.40 | ribnitz | Albacker: Sans and Serif are Font types, not fonts |
| 21:38.51 | Malice961 | greycat: thanks |
| 21:38.59 | ribnitz | Albacker: Arial is Sans Serif, Times is Serif. |
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| 21:39.15 | greycat | !start a language war |
| 21:39.15 | dpkg | csh is cleaner than Ruby |
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| 21:39.23 | Albacker | ok thanks, ribnitz |
| 21:39.27 | kaiowa | anyone know a frontend to work againts sqlserver??? |
| 21:39.33 | MobyTurbo | greycat: that's a good one. :-) |
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| 21:39.59 | ribnitz | Albacker: There are like 42 fonts in postscript, about half of them are sans serif. |
| 21:40.02 | marejava | MobyTurbo: you have also experience with JIT ? |
| 21:40.18 | greycat | marejava: just /join #java already! |
| 21:40.20 | Albacker | nope there appears something like 14 font types. |
| 21:40.25 | Malice961 | now its telling me there not a ELF file |
| 21:40.28 | Albacker | ribnitz ^ |
| 21:40.30 | greycat | marejava: (Jeez!) |
| 21:41.00 | MobyTurbo | marejava: I only do Java for the money or school, and since #debian isn't paying me.... |
| 21:41.05 | ribnitz | Albacker: If you need more than three fonts in a document you schoul seriously reconsider. |
| 21:41.07 | marejava | greycat: thanks |
| 21:41.14 | invsblduck | i ask apt what berkeleydb is and he asks if i'm smoking crack. |
| 21:41.25 | greycat | invsblduck: it's the "libdb*" packages |
| 21:41.35 | Albacker | ribnitz : i mean there isnt sans or serif or arial. |
| 21:41.39 | invsblduck | greycat: any tools to decompile or read those db's easily? |
| 21:42.04 | sinned | i need some help understanding WEP configuration under linux. anyone? |
| 21:42.13 | Albacker | do you know it's name so I can install it with apt-get ? |
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| 21:42.24 | greycat | libdb3-util looks promising. |
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| 21:42.32 | marejava | MobyTurbo: ok, tks! |
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| 21:43.02 | ribnitz | Albacker: then you are missing some fonts. |
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| 21:43.34 | ribnitz | Albacker fonts for what application btw? |
| 21:43.57 | Albacker | ribnitz : I want the package name. fonts like arial sans serif etc. |
| 21:44.33 | Malice961 | greycat: when i run the depmod -ae /lib/modules/2,4.27-1-386/fglrx-kernel-src it comes up telling me all the files in that dir are not ELF files... any thoughts? |
| 21:44.55 | greycat | Malice961: are you using module-assistant? if not, *why* not? |
| 21:44.58 | invsblduck | greycat: thanks... i'm actually working with a freebsd system atm |
| 21:45.10 | ribnitz | Albacker: xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi,gsfonts-x11.. |
| 21:45.13 | greycat | invsblduck: then you're in the wrong god damned channel. |
| 21:45.18 | Malice961 | make-kpkg looked easier... but i guess not |
| 21:45.24 | invsblduck | greycat: that's not true ;) |
| 21:45.27 | Albacker | ok thanks ribnitz |
| 21:45.36 | greycat | invsblduck: funny, it says "#debian" on my screen. |
| 21:45.51 | ribnitz | Albacker: but font packages are big.. |
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| 21:46.05 | invsblduck | greycat: i'm typing this from irssi running under screen on a debian system; i'm ssh'd into a freebsd server admin'ing qmail |
| 21:46.05 | hool | yay! |
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| 21:46.22 | hool | i finally got a new kernel going.. |
| 21:46.25 | greycat | invsblduck: so what? apt-get install libdb3-util |
| 21:46.28 | fc2deb | i managed to lsiten to realaudio with mplayer *from the command line* after installing the rp codecs. however, i have a bigger problem now. i can no longer hear sound when watching videos on mplayer (gui). i get error : New face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. i have not installed any new skins |
| 21:46.28 | invsblduck | greycat: just wondered if you knew the names of user tools to decompile berkdb easily |
| 21:46.30 | hool | then X dies on me =) |
| 21:46.33 | hool | hehehe |
| 21:46.38 | invsblduck | greycat: bite me :^) |
| 21:46.42 | greycat | invsblduck: I do. libdb3-util. I even SEARCHED THROUGH A PACKAGE LIST FOR YOU. |
| 21:46.46 | greycat | You ungrateful little dipshit. |
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| 21:46.55 | invsblduck | greycat: j/k, man |
| 21:46.56 | invsblduck | no! |
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| 21:47.07 | azreal | lol |
| 21:47.19 | hool | greycat: im grateful... if it makes you feel better =) |
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| 21:47.28 | hool | geateful dead dum di dum |
| 21:47.43 | Albacker | ribnitz : so what should I do ? I have the 7 cd set |
| 21:48.03 | hool | i'd have beercoasters for myself and 6 buds :D |
| 21:48.08 | hool | but that's me.. |
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| 21:48.31 | hool | in the rest of the world i hear bandwith costs money 0_o |
| 21:48.54 | ugexe | anyone know how i can set fluxbox to use a different keyboard type? its set on US but i need to use a different country type. Gnome uses the correct type but flux wont |
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| 21:49.07 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Total non-depend required install size: 48.5 Mb |
| 21:49.22 | hool | so anyway.. i forgot what the x system is called when you want to play with dpkg-reconfigure.. |
| 21:49.22 | MobyTurbo | someone should add a critique of O_o to dpkg's database |
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| 21:49.42 | hool | MobyTurbo: i could get som leet mIRC colors just for you tho ;) |
| 21:50.07 | MobyTurbo | arghhh!!!! |
| 21:50.14 | FieldySnuts | erm |
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| 21:50.47 | MobyTurbo | I've gotta go, have a nice day #debianers. |
| 21:50.49 | hool | MobyTurbo: relax.. they dont work in irssi-text? |
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| 21:50.52 | fang11 | so i tried apt-get install gnome and it diddn't work |
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| 21:50.58 | takatumi | MobyTurbo: =_= |
| 21:51.04 | walnuck | I have a dos-restore (multi-disk volume) set I'd like to restore, I believe dos 5's restore/backup was used, anyone can think of a tool i can use? (i know i can resort a longer way under dosbox+dos install) |
| 21:51.04 | takatumi | pfft. |
| 21:51.10 | stew | ugexe: setxkbmap or /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 21:51.37 | fang11 | i also tried apt-get search and it diddn't bring up anything it said that it wasn't a command or something |
| 21:51.45 | marejava | MobyTurbo: have fun.. ! |
| 21:51.52 | Defenestrator | fang11: apt-cache search |
| 21:51.55 | cureless | fang11: apt-cache search toy mean? |
| 21:52.01 | cureless | s/toy/you/ |
| 21:52.08 | hool | argh.. i was turning on the monitor to my #2 box to google.. and i forgot i turned it off. |
| 21:52.22 | hool | the disk in that sounds like it's a diesel tho :/ |
| 21:52.25 | stew | fang11: are you on woody? |
| 21:52.32 | naudix | Hello, how can I close my X11 port ? |
| 21:52.52 | fang11 | i'm not on debian now no |
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| 21:53.44 | stew | fang11: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:53.54 | fang11 | install gnome using apt-get |
| 21:54.01 | Phated | !install gnome |
| 21:54.01 | dpkg | from memory, install gnome is in woody: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sarge and sid: apt-get install gnome |
| 21:54.04 | stew | fang11: but you are not on debian? |
| 21:54.21 | fang11 | not now |
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| 21:54.42 | idnar | fang11: you mean you want to install it on a debian box, but you're currently irc'ing from something else? |
| 21:55.05 | fang11 | no i installed debian on a partition |
| 21:55.13 | ugexe | stew: gnome uses the correct keyboard but flux doesnt... this makes me believe that it isn't X-windows |
| 21:55.17 | adjacent | maildrop or procmail? |
| 21:55.26 | adjacent | which do you use? |
| 21:55.39 | stew | !tell adjacent about polls |
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| 21:56.28 | fang11 | so apt-cache search will bring up a list of stuff i can install using apt-get? |
| 21:56.30 | sinned | PLEASE- i NEED help with WEP configuration. anyone? |
| 21:56.30 | stew | ugexe: i'd guess gnome uses its own thing and flux will use whatever x is setup for, but i don't use either, give setxkbmap a try |
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| 21:56.37 | adjacent | let me rephrase. which is more popular and why should i use it. maildrop or procmail...? |
| 21:56.53 | Occulis | i recommend procmail |
| 21:56.54 | adjacent | sinned: ill tell you how in #wireless |
| 21:57.02 | sinned | thanks! |
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| 21:57.08 | Blissex | sinned: consider #wireless |
| 21:57.11 | Occulis | my .procmailrc is really huge |
| 21:57.19 | Flimzy | I use maildrop because procmail doesn't do what I need. |
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| 21:57.27 | Flimzy | I can't think of any other reason to use something... use what works for you. |
| 21:57.29 | Occulis | i have it printed out and use the paper as a blanket |
| 21:57.46 | Occulis | procmail is warmer at night. you don't want to be cold - do you? |
| 21:57.52 | adjacent | haha |
| 21:58.05 | stew | adjacent: more popular? look at popcon.debian.org |
| 21:58.09 | fang11 | so apt-cache search will bring up a list of stuff i can install using apt-get? |
| 21:58.12 | hool | only webthing i can see being warm at night is a spam assasin box.. |
| 21:58.20 | Occulis | haha |
| 21:58.23 | hool | but i could be wrong.. i usually am |
| 21:58.25 | Flimzy | adjacent: Rather than asking everyone what they use and why, perhaps you would tell us what you're doing, and which would work better for you. |
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| 21:58.39 | Flimzy | adjacent: If you just want a feature list, look at the products' respective web pages. |
| 21:59.00 | Flimzy | hool: webthing? spamassassin? |
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| 21:59.04 | adjacent | im installing qmail+daemontools+ucspi-tcp-src+courier-imap+courier-imap-ssl+vmailmgr+ezmlm-src +courier-authvmailmrg+courier-authdaemon+spamassassin+clamav+imp+horde+awstats and want to use procmail or maildrop also |
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| 21:59.07 | Flimzy | hool: sounds like a mailthing to me :P |
| 21:59.11 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Running scary recursive version now :-) |
| 21:59.21 | Occulis | i'm having a good time with CPAN right now |
| 21:59.36 | hool | Flimzy: hmm.. web mail.. same shit different name :D |
| 21:59.42 | Occulis | the MD5 module doesn't want to install without an existing MD5 module installed |
| 21:59.50 | cthulfuego | Arrgh |
| 21:59.52 | fang11 | any one know what the exact name for gnome on apt-get is? |
| 21:59.57 | Flimzy | adjacent: I use maildrop with my Courier-* setup, because it's friendlier for my type of virtual domain hosting. |
| 21:59.58 | stew | Occulis: you know using CPAN + debian is considered bad, right? |
| 21:59.59 | pipeline | fang11: gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 22:00.09 | Occulis | stew: no sir - how come |
| 22:00.11 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: its at least np hard, you get at least (n/2)! tests to do. |
| 22:00.13 | pipeline | fang11: You can also "apt-get install gnome," but that gives you tons of crap in addition to gnome itself. |
| 22:00.17 | Flimzy | adjacent: And was easier to create per-user spamassassin configs with |
| 22:00.32 | pipeline | fang11: You probably want to install "gnome-desktop-environment gnome-utils gnome-system-tools" |
| 22:00.46 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Running out of ram atm. |
| 22:00.47 | adjacent | basically im using a qmailrocks installation with extra stuff. |
| 22:00.49 | stew | Occulis: becuase its all packaged for debian, why use another packaging system? |
| 22:00.56 | pipeline | fang11: The stuff that's in gnome-system-tools and gnome-utils now is not in the official gnome distribution until version 2.10, which is why they're separate in Debian. |
| 22:00.56 | Occulis | oh |
| 22:00.57 | stew | s/all/mostly/ at least |
| 22:00.59 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Lemme move the whole lot to the AMD64 |
| 22:01.04 | adjacent | Flimzy: ok. this is for a large number of emails... |
| 22:01.08 | pipeline | Occulis: CPAN makes baby jesus cry |
| 22:01.11 | Occulis | i wasn't aware the debian packaging went so far as to include perl modules |
| 22:01.12 | cthulfuego | Oh crud, that's not running Linux. |
| 22:01.16 | Occulis | that might be my problem |
| 22:01.16 | stew | Occulis: or use dh_make_perl |
| 22:01.31 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Rebooting, brb,. |
| 22:01.38 | Flimzy | Occulis: It includes many. Altho CPAN includes more than Debian does. Sometimes you'll hafta use CPAN (as I am doing right now, as a matter of fact) |
| 22:01.40 | fang11 | k thx |
| 22:01.59 | adjacent | Flimzy: and baysian spamassassin learning should automate peruser SA rules |
| 22:02.17 | Occulis | it seems to have completely borked my perl installation |
| 22:02.21 | Occulis | cpan has, i mean |
| 22:02.33 | stew | Occulis: there's a good reason not to use it |
| 22:02.34 | Guerin | if you don't use dh-make-perl, it does that |
| 22:02.34 | zinx | CPAN is *evil* |
| 22:02.35 | Lee__ | Sometimes it can do that |
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| 22:02.38 | Malice961 | okay, after using module-assistant, its still not working when i try with the modprobe fglrx command, says module not found..... |
| 22:02.39 | Flimzy | Occulis: You did install the Debian package of CPAN, right? |
| 22:02.40 | Guerin | cpan is good |
| 22:02.50 | Guerin | you just need to sanitise it with dh-make-perl |
| 22:02.59 | Occulis | E: Couldn't find package CPAN |
| 22:03.02 | zinx | running perl as root to install perl scripts as root from a source i certainly don't trust? No thanks. |
| 22:03.03 | Lee__ | !cpan |
| 22:03.04 | dpkg | [cpan] the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network at http://www.perl.com/CPAN/, or perl -MCPAN -eshell, or it's probably better to use dh-make-perl --cpan |
| 22:03.05 | Occulis | maybe i'm a bit dumb :-\ |
| 22:03.10 | stew | Occulis: package names are always lowercase |
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| 22:03.16 | Occulis | bash: dh-make-perl: command not found |
| 22:03.17 | zinx | dh-make-perl pwnz |
| 22:03.23 | zinx | Occulis: you have to install it |
| 22:03.25 | stew | Occulis: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:03.26 | Occulis | Apparently occypoo needs more reading |
| 22:03.32 | Occulis | okay thank you a bunch |
| 22:03.49 | Occulis | hm |
| 22:04.15 | Flimzy | I've never heard of dh-make-perl |
| 22:04.18 | Flimzy | sounds interesting |
| 22:04.25 | hool | does 2.6.8 kernel use a different name for the mouse? something else than /dev/psaux ? |
| 22:04.29 | Occulis | dpkg is truly at a loss for 'search perl' and 'search Perl' |
| 22:04.30 | dpkg | Occulis: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:04.36 | Occulis | yes, exactly |
| 22:04.47 | stew | hool: /dev/psaux works in 2.6 |
| 22:05.10 | hool | what might the problem be if it can't find my ps2 mouse?? |
| 22:05.23 | stew | hool: modprobe mousedev ; modprobe psmouse |
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| 22:05.54 | Blissex | hool: depends... unless you PS2 mouse was plugged in at boot and enabled in the BIOS, the PS2 port will be disabled. |
| 22:06.19 | Blissex | hool: the other possibility is that as <stew> wrote, your mouse modules are not loaded. |
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| 22:06.47 | Occulis | maybe i should be running sarge instead of woody |
| 22:07.05 | Flimzy | okay, I like dh-make-perl already |
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| 22:08.01 | nvcuong | HI everybody, I have this problem : I ve installed ALSA for my Creative Sound Blaster Live , it works fine, but I cant adjust the bass n treble in alsamix , could anyone help me? |
| 22:08.04 | greg_work | on one of my machines, running nmap -sP 1.2.3.4/24 runs: Nmap run completed -- 256 IP addresses (19 hosts up) scanned in 5.932 seconds and on another, it returns: Nmap run completed -- 256 IP addresses (17 hosts up) scanned in 89.655 seconds .... why the discrepancy in # of hosts, and times? |
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| 22:08.24 | grigora | is there a way to tell rsync not to try to get the file list in a directory, but to do it in chunks, i am trying to run rsync on a huge directory and it runs out of memory building the file list, TIA |
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| 22:09.07 | nvcuong | HI everybody, I have this problem : I ve installed ALSA for my Creative Sound Blaster Live , it works fine, but I cant adjust the bass n treble in alsamix , could anyone help me? |
| 22:09.23 | Guerin | nvcuong: you need to repeat your question more often |
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| 22:09.34 | Guerin | and you should abbreviate things like 'u' and 'm8' |
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| 22:09.41 | Guerin | otherwise people won't pay attention |
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| 22:09.49 | smederevo | any one from serbia ? |
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| 22:10.00 | nvcuong | HI everybody, I have this problem : I ve installed ALSA for my Creative Sound Blaster Live , it works fine, but I cant adjust the bass n treble in alsamix , could anyone help me? |
| 22:10.03 | nvcuong | HI everybody, I have this problem : I ve installed ALSA for my Creative Sound Blaster Live , it works fine, but I cant adjust the bass n treble in alsamix , could anyone help me? |
| 22:10.07 | nvcuong | HI everybody, I have this problem : I ve installed ALSA for my Creative Sound Blaster Live , it works fine, but I cant adjust the bass n treble in alsamix , could anyone help me? |
| 22:10.17 | Guerin | ... |
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| 22:10.24 | azreal | nvcuong: quit being a repeating dork. |
| 22:10.28 | LoRez | nvcuong: Hi dope, could you please stop repeating? |
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| 22:11.05 | mike_ | what does it mean when i get this message? NO Error in IMAP command received by server. I'm trying to setup virtual mail accounts using courier imap. Does anyone use this combination? |
| 22:11.13 | LoRez | Guerin: and don't encourage that type of behavior |
| 22:11.19 | hool | brb |
| 22:11.28 | Guerin | LoRez: i'm sorry, people normally realise I'm being sarcastic. |
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| 22:12.08 | LoRez | obviously there are some people in this channel that haven't yet achieved enough to get their darwin award. |
| 22:12.26 | njan | LoRez, it's ok, you can keep trying! :) |
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| 22:12.48 | nvcuong | well, nobody pays any attention to my question ... , what to do? |
| 22:12.53 | Blissex | nvcuong: that is very odd |
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| 22:13.07 | Phated | Annoy people by reapeating more often so that they continue ignoring you, of course. |
| 22:13.08 | Guerin | i bet nvcuong has oss modules loaded |
| 22:13.08 | Blissex | nvcuong: also, usually wait at least 5 minutes between repetitions of a question. |
| 22:13.11 | azreal | nvcuong: you can kill yourself, or umm, try google. |
| 22:13.15 | Occulis | nvcuong: Your question is very important. |
| 22:13.16 | Blissex | nvcuong: also, ask in #ALSA |
| 22:13.19 | cthulfuego | Phated: really? |
| 22:13.24 | LoRez | nvcuong: you gave them exactly 63 seconds to respond. |
| 22:13.24 | cthulfuego | Phated: really? |
| 22:13.31 | Occulis | I would expect everyone watching their screens to fall over themselves trying to help you. |
| 22:13.32 | cthulfuego | Phated: really? |
| 22:13.36 | nvcuong | ok, I ll wait.. |
| 22:13.48 | Phated | LoRez: You're one of those wackos who has seconds in his timestamps, don't you. |
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| 22:14.04 | LoRez | Phated: what of it? |
| 22:14.06 | nvcuong | Guerin, u meant I shouldnt load oss modules? |
| 22:14.07 | Occulis | i wonder if WoW runs in any Wine-like emu |
| 22:14.15 | Blissex | nvcuong: also, just go thru this: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#troubleshooting just to make sure your ALSA stuff is all in order. |
| 22:14.25 | Phated | LoRez: Wastes space. :) |
| 22:14.27 | mike_ | does anyone here use virtual mail accounts with courier imapd? |
| 22:14.32 | grivell | Phated: I have milliseconds. |
| 22:14.46 | Phated | ... and then we have the real wackos. |
| 22:14.51 | grivell | lol |
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| 22:15.26 | cthulfuego | mike_: Yes. |
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| 22:15.51 | nvcuong | thanx Blissex, I ll take a look at that .. |
| 22:15.52 | Guerin | nvcuong: no. Either oss or alsa; never both. |
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| 22:16.14 | clarkeo | how stable is SID compared to SARGE? |
| 22:16.27 | grivell | clarkeo: Go with Sarge. |
| 22:16.32 | azreal | clarkeo: sid=unstable |
| 22:16.41 | Blissex | clarkeo: depends on whether you are good with the Debian package system and are able to fix occasional mishaps. |
| 22:16.59 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 1073741824 bytes exhausted. |
| 22:17.01 | nvcuong | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.01 | nvcuong | Module Size Used by |
| 22:17.01 | nvcuong | nvidia 3467804 - |
| 22:17.01 | nvcuong | md5 3884 - |
| 22:17.01 | nvcuong | ipv6 251040 - |
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| 22:17.02 | Phated | If there aare mishaps, it stands to reason you can't call it stable, can you. |
| 22:17.03 | clarkeo | never used debian |
| 22:17.03 | clarkeo | on mandrake at the moment |
| 22:17.06 | hool | how is alsa configured in debian? |
| 22:17.07 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Maybe I have a recursion error ;-) |
| 22:17.32 | mike_ | cthulfuego: how the bloody hell did u do it? im doing something wrong. Im following http://www.tty1.net/virtual_domains_en.html as a guide. It keeps saying NO Error in IMAP command received by server. when i try and log in to it. do u have any idea? |
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| 22:17.48 | nvcuong | that was my lsmod.. |
| 22:18.28 | azreal | nvcuong: we are thankful you shared that with us. |
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| 22:18.43 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapsack_problem |
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| 22:18.59 | azreal | nvcuong: now can you cat your /proc/kcore to /dev/dsp? |
| 22:19.02 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: how many packages are there? |
| 22:19.07 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: No, it's a recursion problem. |
| 22:19.15 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: 15-odd thousand |
| 22:19.27 | mrproper | How do I setup ip forwarding in Debian under a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 22:20.12 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: so you need to do 15k*15k/2 comparisons, roughly. |
| 22:20.18 | mike_ | what is authpam? |
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| 22:20.59 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: yes, but THIS was a recursion problem. |
| 22:21.38 | Blissex | mrproper: depends, as always... |
| 22:22.00 | mrproper | Blissex: On? |
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| 22:22.16 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: do you know what NP means? |
| 22:23.00 | Blissex | mrproper: exactly which forwarding you want to do and what you have enabled. |
| 22:23.24 | mrproper | Blissex: I can't find the iptables rules on my system. I just want to forward from 8086 to 80. |
| 22:23.54 | nvcuong | what does it mean when I have this : #emu-config |
| 22:23.54 | nvcuong | SOUND_MIXER_PRIVATE3: Input/output error |
| 22:24.00 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Yes. I'm not writing this to *exactly* find out the maximum installable size. |
| 22:24.01 | Blissex | mrproper: well, Debian does not come with a default firewall config. |
| 22:24.12 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: never do recursuion without forgetting the exit case. |
| 22:24.32 | Blissex | mrproper: so there are no firewall rules by default... |
| 22:24.43 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: no, it was looping through ALL 15,000 packages for each newly installed package and replicating the list of 15,000 |
| 22:24.53 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Removed a loop level, happy now. |
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| 22:25.02 | Blissex | mrproper: however, IIRC 'firestarter' is sort of the 'iptables' configurator of choice under Debian. |
| 22:25.26 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: This is written in PHP and I reckon that a web pahe that allows you to choose packages and then tells you how much disk space you need (minimum) might be nice. |
| 22:25.44 | Blissex | mrproper: or you can roll your own configuration script, put it under '/etc/init.d/' and then use 'update-rc.d' to symlink it into the appropriate runlevels. |
| 22:25.44 | mrproper | Blissex: This is on a server. |
| 22:25.46 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: yep |
| 22:26.03 | mrproper | Blissex: Is there a tutorial for this? |
| 22:26.06 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Or alternatively it'll go "Broken packages!" if a required depends is also conflicting. |
| 22:26.17 | mrproper | Blissex: What do I need to name it? |
| 22:26.26 | azreal | mrproper: i got a good link, sec... |
| 22:26.29 | mrproper | k |
| 22:26.33 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: or the other way round. I have 15G available, give me a possible solution to fill that. |
| 22:26.42 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: emacs and KDe. |
| 22:26.43 | Blissex | mrproper: there are some docs with a title called 'the Debian boot concept', but <azreal> by have something more direct. |
| 22:26.59 | azreal | mrproper: have a look at this, very nicely done: http://people.unix-fu.org/andreasson/index.html |
| 22:27.28 | mrproper | Yeah, I saw that earlier. |
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| 22:28.05 | Blissex | mrproper: what do you actually want? tutorial for configuring a boot script for Debian, or configuring port forwarding for 'iptables'? |
| 22:28.05 | trilogy | hello |
| 22:28.19 | trilogy | c'č qualche italiano? |
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| 22:28.27 | mrproper | blissex: the latter. |
| 22:28.27 | ribnitz | !it |
| 22:28.27 | dpkg | well, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 22:28.36 | azreal | Blissex: i thought he was asking about iptables, but i could be wrong. |
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| 22:28.54 | sussudio | tasso, fungo, serpente. |
| 22:29.09 | Blissex | trilogy: e perche` fai di queste domande inutili? |
| 22:29.22 | fang11 | so i tried apt-get install gnome-desktop- environment |
| 22:29.33 | fang11 | and it said that it diddn't exist |
| 22:29.40 | fang11 | so i tried gnome-desktop |
| 22:29.53 | trilogy | thanks |
| 22:29.56 | fang11 | it said it existed but something like it is no longer available |
| 22:30.01 | Blissex | mrproper: for 'iptables' related questions, try #iptables and also the tutorial section of http://WWW.Netfilter.org/ which has some specific stuff on port forwarding IIRC |
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| 22:30.57 | fang11 | so how would i get gnome dekstop environment? |
| 22:31.06 | Jooon | apt-get install gnome ? |
| 22:31.19 | azreal | mrproper: the link i pasted is an excellent tutorial on how to do anything with iptables |
| 22:31.22 | fang11 | no that doesn't work |
| 22:31.37 | Phated | Isn't there a gnome-desktop-environment, though. |
| 22:31.59 | nvcuong | what does it mean when I have this : #emu-config |
| 22:32.02 | fang11 | i tried it diddn't work it said it diddn't exist |
| 22:32.03 | nvcuong | SOUND_MIXER_PRIVATE3: Input/output error |
| 22:32.10 | azreal | fang11: what do you get from typeing apt-get install gnome? |
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| 22:32.14 | Phated | No, you said you tried gnome-desktop. |
| 22:32.20 | fang11 | and that |
| 22:32.25 | fang11 | i tried both |
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| 22:32.28 | Jooon | gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment. if installing gnome doesn't work, chanses are gnome-desktop-environment doesn't work either |
| 22:32.31 | juhov | fang11: did you type it correctly, without that extra space? |
| 22:32.45 | fang11 | yes |
| 22:32.47 | Phated | <shrugs> You're running some weird system. |
| 22:32.59 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Seems to work! :-) |
| 22:33.00 | azreal | !gnome |
| 22:33.00 | dpkg | well, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager |
| 22:33.01 | anti-windows | This might not be the right place to ask, but, when will the 'clamav' package be updated in the repositories? there is currently a new version, and freshclam complains about it |
| 22:33.21 | Occulis | clam jousters |
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| 22:33.43 | azreal | !tell fang11 about install gnome |
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| 22:33.55 | Jooon | anti-windows: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=294095 |
| 22:33.58 | ribnitz | cthulfuego: grats. |
| 22:34.02 | Zvpun | where would I find a helvetica font in Debian?= |
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| 22:34.14 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: base+x+gnome = 370.3 Mb of stuff (in 262 packages) |
| 22:34.36 | Evon150 | !firefox 1.0 on debian |
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| 22:35.06 | fang11 | dpkg is a bot? |
| 22:35.07 | dpkg | no idea, fang11 |
| 22:35.09 | juhov | Zvpun: xfonts-75dpi or xfonts-100dpi I think |
| 22:35.22 | paulswm | fang11: yes |
| 22:35.22 | anti-windows | Jooon: thanks. Looks like the new package is already out for ftp.debian.org - mirrors.kernel.org is wacked for me...cant get a single thing from it. |
| 22:35.27 | Phated | Zvpun: msttcorefonts. |
| 22:35.46 | Phated | Hmmm, no, or was that verdana... Well, verdana looks better anyway. |
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| 22:36.17 | Blissex | ribnitz: in any case you should switch to using 'aptitude' or 'synaptic' for things like that. They list all available packages, grouped by topic, so it is easy to pick and choose all the GNOME packages or just those you want. |
| 22:36.18 | Jooon | Phated: arial is in that package as well, which looks a lot like helvetica |
| 22:36.19 | ribnitz | Phated: shouldnt little innocent girls be asleep at that time of day? |
| 22:36.20 | Zvpun | Phated: aren't they nonfree? |
| 22:36.22 | Evon150 | how do i install firefox 1,0 on debian? |
| 22:36.36 | Phated | ribnitz: I used to be in school by this time. |
| 22:36.41 | Ronin | Evon150: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 22:36.44 | Phated | Jooon: Yippee, I guess. |
| 22:36.46 | Evon150 | aha |
| 22:36.48 | Phated | Evon150: On sid only. |
| 22:36.48 | Blissex | Evon150: install the relevant Firefox package, there are a few variants... |
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| 22:37.01 | Phated | Zyroth: Of course they are. So? |
| 22:37.14 | ribnitz | Blissex: my initial problenm was: whats the largest contiguous set of installable packages? |
| 22:37.30 | Zyroth | Whatever you are talking about: "Okay" =) |
| 22:37.31 | Jooon | Zvpun: yes, they are non-free. there are many different font formats. I have never understand really how many. but in xfonts-75dpi xfonts-100dpi you can find helvetica. there also pmf files in xprint package, and afm files in openoffice.org packages |
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| 22:37.37 | ribnitz | Phated: almost 7am there? |
| 22:37.44 | Phated | Er, to Zvpun. Sorry, Zyroth. |
| 22:37.48 | Zyroth | np ;) |
| 22:37.52 | Phated | ribnitz: 0638. |
| 22:38.03 | Blissex | ribnitz: ooops, that's a really mad question. |
| 22:38.32 | ribnitz | Blissex: why? Suppose I wanted to get the maximum out of debian.. |
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| 22:38.52 | Hugle | Hello all. how i can make cron not to mail me after every executed job? |
| 22:39.11 | Blissex | Jooon: Zvpun: the font situation under Linux is an awful mess. I have started writing up some explanation here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxFonts.html |
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| 22:41.04 | Jooon | Blissex: wow. that's excellent |
| 22:41.09 | ribnitz | Blissex: I know the thing is in the np category. |
| 22:41.37 | Blissex | ribnitz: yes, and it will take a bit of time... There are quite a few packages to solve that kind of problem I think. |
| 22:41.58 | ribnitz | Blissex: there are? |
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| 22:42.42 | Babbage | Which is the right channel for discussing MD? |
| 22:42.51 | Phated | MD...? |
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| 22:43.10 | ribnitz | Phated: Minidisc? |
| 22:43.27 | ribnitz | Phated: Maryland, Doctors,.. |
| 22:43.36 | Phated | Lovely, acronyms. |
| 22:43.37 | chris4 | finally. |
| 22:43.50 | Babbage | Phated> software RAID |
| 22:44.04 | ribnitz | Babbage: then say so. |
| 22:44.06 | Phated | I dunno, here I guess. As long as it's in debian. |
| 22:44.08 | Blissex | ribnitz: check Netlib.org or the Stanford Graphbase, and IIRC there are at l;east a couple of OpResearch sw repositories... |
| 22:44.25 | war- | Anyone have problems with Samba with Windows 2000 latest patcheS? |
| 22:44.26 | war- | About 2-3 days ago, Microsoft put out 9-10 patches for 2K,XP, from my 2K box --> copying --> to linux, when I drag a file on to any of my Linux/SAMBA machines, it puts a circle with a (/) slash through it saying I cannot copy to it, has anyone else experienced this problem? Did one of Microsoft's patches break Samba/Win2K compatibility? I can copy from the share to windows as well as delete files/etc and I can xcopy file \\to\drive but I cannot drag files (within exp |
| 22:44.26 | war- | orer, any clues? |
| 22:44.31 | Babbage | ribnitz> Well, I did. md.ko is the name of the kernel module, after all. |
| 22:44.50 | Blissex | war-: try asking in #Samba |
| 22:44.53 | ribnitz | Babbage: yes. and it works fine. have a softraid up |
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| 22:45.09 | Phated | Babbage: Which wasn't MD, was it. |
| 22:45.34 | Zvpun | Blissex: seems like you did a good job on the font stuff |
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| 22:45.44 | pestilen1e | does anybody know how to get xine to output to a file or get it to pipe to something like mplayer? |
| 22:45.48 | pestilen1e | err, mencoder |
| 22:45.49 | Blissex | Zvpun: it is rather incomplete though... |
| 22:45.54 | Babbage | ribnitz> I have a degraded raid1 array. Both halves have identical last-update times, but one of them has been used (by LVM) and a PV. Hence one of them is actually much newer than the other. How do I force MD to rebuild one device from the other and not the other way around? |
| 22:45.57 | Blissex | Zvpun: but thanks :-) |
| 22:46.16 | Babbage | sorry, "by LVM *as* a PV" |
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| 22:46.39 | Babbage | ribnitz> mdadm --fail doesn't weork. |
| 22:46.41 | Fluxions | is there a way to recover a file deleted with the "rm" command????? |
| 22:46.46 | ribnitz | Babbage: sounds unhealthy. |
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| 22:47.06 | ribnitz | Fluxions: depends on fileysystem used, but generally no. |
| 22:47.07 | Babbage | ribnitz> Yup, I booted a kernel with LVM but without raid, by accident. |
| 22:47.11 | bender-rw- | Babbage: since the second one is garbage data anyway maybe just wipe all metadata from it and re-add |
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| 22:47.23 | Babbage | bender-rw-> sound like a plan, but how do I do that? |
| 22:47.30 | Fluxions | ribnitz, ext3, no? |
| 22:47.55 | ribnitz | Fluxions: there might be some undelete. |
| 22:48.00 | bender-rw- | Babbage: overwrite the disk with dd, then lookup the docs on howto replace a failed disk |
| 22:48.05 | ribnitz | Fluxions: xfs or jfs is harder. |
| 22:48.10 | Phated | The best undelete is a current backup. |
| 22:48.13 | pestilen1e | Fluxions: first advice: unmount the disk asap |
| 22:48.13 | Babbage | Fluxions> see http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/faq/coreutils-faq.html#I-used-rm-to-remove-a-file_002e-How-can-I-get-it-back-now_003f |
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| 22:48.27 | walnuck | anyone know worked with Dos 5 backup, I'd like to restore my disks |
| 22:48.32 | ribnitz | Phated: Backup is the thing you dont have when you need it. |
| 22:48.47 | Fluxions | hey thanks alot |
| 22:48.51 | Phated | ribnitz: Which is why we get questions like "how do I undelete a file". |
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| 22:49.00 | Babbage | !undelete |
| 22:49.00 | dpkg | i heard undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc |
| 22:49.03 | ribnitz | Phated: exactly |
| 22:49.21 | Phated | Which is why you should have a backup whether you need it or not. Because someday, your heart will thank you for it. |
| 22:49.34 | Babbage | bender-rw-> Thanks. |
| 22:49.35 | carrett | hi, my / partition has 70 free gigs, some of which i'd like to use for testing out other OSs. what's the easiest most painless method for shrinking a partition? |
| 22:49.39 | Phated | Hm, does mc do undeleting, then. |
| 22:49.48 | carrett | (and creating a new one) |
| 22:49.58 | ribnitz | carrett: resinstall. |
| 22:49.59 | Phated | carrett: Parted, fdisk. |
| 22:50.10 | Phated | Not sure how painless parted is. |
| 22:50.15 | bender-rw- | Babbage: thank me after it worked :) |
| 22:50.18 | bruno | anyone able to run an external monitor on a powerbook albook g4 (kernel 2.6.9 and xfree86 radeon 9600m10) ? |
| 22:50.19 | Phated | But once you have free space you should be OK. |
| 22:50.23 | phorce1 | Phated: I think that's only if you have safe-delete turned on and do the deleting WITH mc |
| 22:50.36 | carrett | Phated: parted will resize it and then i have to go edit the partition table with fdisk or cfdisk or whatever? |
| 22:50.40 | Babbage | carrett> "man resize2fs" |
| 22:50.51 | carrett | Babbage: recommended over parted? |
| 22:50.52 | Phated | phorce1: Which... kind of nulls the whole usefulness of it. Thanks for the info. |
| 22:51.07 | Babbage | carrett> Probably not |
| 22:51.11 | Evon150 | i have just installd mozilla-firefox , it hasn t got java plugin , do i just cp mozilla/plugin/j**.so mozilla-firefox/plugin or what something else? |
| 22:51.14 | phorce1 | Phated: mc sets up a "recycle bin" type folder and rm just does an mv to there. |
| 22:51.35 | Phated | phorce1: Oh, I see. A rather cheap way of getting around it, if you ask me. |
| 22:51.48 | Phated | Which you don't. But anyway. |
| 22:51.51 | carrett | ok. thanks everyone. o/o |
| 22:52.31 | Babbage | bender-rw-> The LV on that volume group has /usr, /var and /home on it. So I will have to boot in single-user-mode to do this. Gulp. |
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| 22:53.04 | jair_11 | hello guys I am ready to install debian using the D-I netinst |
| 22:53.09 | phorce1 | i, personally, use 'alias rm = 'rm -i' -- makes me verify I REALLY wanted to delete something (which I don't recall the last time I told it "no" -- hard to make a mistake in a non-point-n-click environment -- too much typing to get the name wrong. |
| 22:53.18 | Babbage | bender-rw-> Actually I think I'll go buy a hard disk tomorrow and copy stuff over to it. I don't need to reconstruct the array right now. |
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| 22:53.25 | jair_11 | I have an IBM r51 I shuld just do the installation default |
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| 22:53.32 | jair_11 | "enter" |
| 22:53.36 | jair_11 | and continue |
| 22:53.41 | bender-rw- | Babbage: sounds like a good plan :-) |
| 22:53.42 | Phated | phorce1: It's the whole tab-complete thing. |
| 22:53.44 | jair_11 | ohhh |
| 22:53.47 | Phated | jair_11: Type linux26. |
| 22:53.53 | Babbage | bender-rw-> Hmm, maybe buy some RAM too. |
| 22:53.57 | jair_11 | I was concern about the partitioning |
| 22:53.59 | Phated | jair_11: Oh, and lay off your enter key. |
| 22:54.19 | jair_11 | Phated, you mean to run using the kernel 2.6 |
| 22:54.26 | jetscreamer | jair_11, or expert26 |
| 22:54.36 | jetscreamer | jair_11, you should read up on it first eh |
| 22:54.46 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, that will run with a different kernel? |
| 22:54.48 | Phated | jair_11: How about you actually try reading for once? It says, -explicitly-, that you can hit F2 or F3 for options. |
| 22:54.58 | jetscreamer | that's what those 26's do |
| 22:55.01 | phorce1 | when using a samba printer via cups and setting it up using lpadmin -- how does one get the stupid thing to take a username/password at setup? I finally got it to see the printer but printing fails because of bad user/pass on the share |
| 22:55.05 | jair_11 | yes |
| 22:55.07 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 22:55.14 | jair_11 | I was just doing it default |
| 22:55.15 | pingouiin | ok |
| 22:55.17 | Phated | jetscreamer: You don't want this one to be working with expert mode. |
| 22:55.25 | jetscreamer | it's either 2.6 with blah26 or a default 2.4 |
| 22:55.28 | jair_11 | but I need some advices on the partitionning |
| 22:55.29 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:55.36 | phorce1 | I used something similar to this to add it: |
| 22:55.37 | phorce1 | lpadmin -p RicePrinter -v smb://rice/INKJET -P /root/inkjet.ppd |
| 22:55.44 | Phated | jetscreamer: Take my word for it, really. |
| 22:55.45 | Evon150 | how do i enable java plugin in newly installed firefox |
| 22:56.12 | phorce1 | but can't find any info on getting a user/pass into that that in the correct place. |
| 22:56.27 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, I got it, I saw the options you guys gave me. |
| 22:56.29 | Phated | jair_11: What's to advise? Delete your old partitions, create a new, large one for /, and some amount of swap space. |
| 22:56.44 | jetscreamer | jair_11, basically all you need is one partition for / and some swap... 2 partitions total for linux.. you can get fancy later |
| 22:56.47 | jair_11 | so all in the "/" |
| 22:56.57 | war- | Does anyone know where I can see the ID (19384-KB) of the latest 10 microsoft windows 2000 patcheS? |
| 22:57.06 | jetscreamer | jair_11, what she said, yeah |
| 22:57.10 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, but I want to partitioning for the future easy upgrade. |
| 22:57.12 | Phated | microsoft.com, war-? |
| 22:57.26 | jetscreamer | support.microsoft.com |
| 22:57.30 | jair_11 | without need to format all the disk. for future release of sarge debian |
| 22:57.37 | jetscreamer | jair_11, it's easier just to add more hd's |
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| 22:57.54 | jair_11 | it is a LAPTOP |
| 22:57.57 | jetscreamer | jair_11, you won't need to reinstall, it will upgrade automatically\ |
| 22:58.00 | Phated | jair_11: Just... do that. And why the fuck would you need a new partition for a future sarge? You already fuckin have sarge. |
| 22:58.00 | war- | jethro: k |
| 22:58.02 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 22:58.12 | jetscreamer | tabtabtab |
| 22:58.42 | Phated | jair_11: You can't have spent -this- long downloading the CD and burning it and NOT READING any of the large amounts of information available on the Debian site. |
| 22:58.48 | comadreja | hello, I'm trying to use nerim's packages to listen to mms radio stations but for some reason mozilla-mplayer just hangs |
| 22:58.52 | jair_11 | Phated, I am saying is that If I want to upgrade to a new version of linux I do not want to delete the partitions and install the new OS version |
| 22:58.53 | jetscreamer | still, one / and some swap, jair_11, is all you need for now |
| 22:59.09 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, ok |
| 22:59.11 | jair_11 | thank you |
| 22:59.15 | jetscreamer | jair_11, no need to delete the partitions even if you do erase everything |
| 22:59.19 | Phated | jair_11: Again, NOT READING. YOU DO NOT NEED, repeat, DO NOT NEED, to -INSTALL- a new version of Debian. |
| 22:59.20 | grigora | anyone knows how to make rsync work incrementally on a very large directory so it does not run out of memory while building the file list? TIA |
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| 22:59.24 | Demon` | hello |
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| 22:59.36 | jetscreamer | jair_11, and what she said |
| 22:59.36 | Phated | If and when one does come out. </disclaimer> |
| 22:59.43 | PlanarPlatypus | grigora: how large is very large in this case? |
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| 23:00.12 | comadreja | I need help on getting mozilla-mplayer to work |
| 23:00.27 | jetscreamer | why |
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| 23:00.41 | Demon` | I tried netinst for four times now, each time it screwed up my MBR ("Error loading OS" bios message) even when told to install grub to a diffrent partition, why is that? |
| 23:00.43 | mrcheeks | comadreja:what are u missing about it |
| 23:00.54 | nikolas | hello, how can i mail a text document from the console ? |
| 23:01.03 | comadreja | mrcheeks : it just hangs on mms streams, no play |
| 23:01.04 | Phated | nikolas: man mail. |
| 23:01.09 | jetscreamer | Demon`, grub always does that with d-i. least for me, ymmv |
| 23:01.16 | jetscreamer | Demon`, do lilo |
| 23:01.22 | nikolas | Phated: i don't fint anything about files there |
| 23:01.25 | nikolas | *find |
| 23:01.29 | jetscreamer | Demon`, or boot a rescue cd/floppy and fix grub |
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| 23:01.38 | dli | nikolas: mutt, pine |
| 23:01.39 | Demon` | jetscreamer: it did the same thing even when I tried not installing grub at all |
| 23:01.45 | Phated | nikolas: Look around. See attachments. Or pipe your file to it. |
| 23:01.55 | grigora | PlanarPlatypus: I don't know the exact number (doing a count right now) but in the millions, i have 125M of RAM + 0.5G of SWAP |
| 23:01.56 | mrcheeks | comadreja:which version of mplayer 686, <arch>, do you have options in .mplayer/config |
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| 23:02.38 | Phated | nikolas: Something like cat file | (mail command) -should- work, IIRC. |
| 23:02.39 | comadreja | mrcheeks I'm using mplayer-k7 , and I have no options in .mplayer/config |
| 23:02.41 | jetscreamer | Demon`, http://www.sysresccd.org/ i always take grub out, easier than learning to fix it :) |
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| 23:02.53 | jetscreamer | but use that boot into it and fix |
| 23:02.56 | kvossen | Can anybody tell me the name of the mozilla sound wrapper package? |
| 23:03.06 | dli | Demon`, boot from the debian installation cd, using " root=/dev/hd??" |
| 23:03.11 | lu | hey fella's, installed my nvidia driver"nvidia.com" and after my initial install it work but when i reboot, no dice |
| 23:03.13 | PlanarPlatypus | grigora: this meaning number of files I assume |
| 23:03.23 | jetscreamer | kvossen, apt-cache search mozilla or soundwrapper |
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| 23:03.41 | dli | lu: lsmod ? |
| 23:03.44 | Phated | lu: Your module isn't loaded at reboot. Reload whatever module it was, add that module to /etc/modules. |
| 23:03.49 | lu | it's in there |
| 23:03.50 | jasz | what is the mozilla soundwrapped package for? |
| 23:03.53 | dli | lu: modconf |
| 23:04.15 | grigora | PlanarPlatypus: yes, the number of files is in the millions |
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| 23:04.18 | jetscreamer | lu that's a known bug iirc the workaround/fix is on the nvidia site, or ask in #nvidia |
| 23:04.19 | lu | when i do a insmod it can't find it, when i do a modconf it shows it there |
| 23:04.21 | Demon` | jetscreamer: thanx |
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| 23:04.28 | kvossen | jetscreamer, well I tried that, but it doesn't show up |
| 23:04.39 | Demon` | dli: the problem is that it screws up my xp boot |
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| 23:04.54 | Phated | As though XP didn't screw itself up enough. |
| 23:04.59 | jetscreamer | Demon`, you can use lilo or grub to boot xp |
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| 23:05.09 | dli | Demon`, read the /boot/grub/menu.lst file, and add your XP entry |
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| 23:05.38 | Demon` | jetscreamer: I know, but the last time I did that grub just hanged after showing me the configuration data of xp's boot |
| 23:06.19 | dli | Demon`, your entry is incorrect, check by "fdisk -l" |
| 23:06.25 | comadreja | mrcheeks ? |
| 23:06.37 | Demon` | dli: it was correct and was actually configured by the installer |
| 23:06.51 | dli | Demon`, check yourself |
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| 23:07.19 | Demon` | dli: I can't it doesn't exist anymore, but it did have all the (hd0, 0), chailoader +1 shit on |
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| 23:07.34 | kvossen | I remember it asking me during installation to choose between esd/artsd/auto and I'd like to reconfigure it |
| 23:07.46 | jetscreamer | lilo seems so easy in comparison |
| 23:07.49 | dli | Demon`, which doesn't exist? |
| 23:07.53 | Phated | I love lilo. |
| 23:07.56 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 23:07.59 | jetscreamer | that |
| 23:08.08 | Demon` | dli: debian |
| 23:08.09 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure mozilla ? |
| 23:08.17 | jetscreamer | mozilla-browser? |
| 23:08.20 | Phated | mozilla-firefox, even? |
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| 23:08.32 | mrcheeks | comadreja:i am here, had something to do |
| 23:08.41 | dli | jetscreamer, grub allow you to boot manually, with a wrong menu.lst, while you need a rescue disk with a wrong lilo.conf |
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| 23:08.55 | mrcheeks | do you have w32codecs installed |
| 23:08.59 | Phated | But lilo.conf is so much harder to mess up. :) |
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| 23:09.34 | mrcheeks | comadreja:try also cache=8192 in .mplayer/config |
| 23:09.39 | jetscreamer | kvossen, sudo /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser |
| 23:09.44 | dli | Phated, not so hard for n00b |
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| 23:10.01 | jair_11 | guys If I want to use a very light waight windows manager for another old desktop which one do you guys recommend me? |
| 23:10.03 | Phated | <shrugs> And grub is easier for a "n00b"? |
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| 23:10.13 | dli | jair_11, icewm |
| 23:10.19 | Phated | jair_11: None whatsoever. Learn the fucking command line. |
| 23:10.24 | jetscreamer | jair_11, icewm |
| 23:10.32 | jetscreamer | jair_11, or that.... :) |
| 23:10.40 | jair_11 | Phated, are you a girl or boy? |
| 23:10.42 | jetscreamer | jair_11, xfce4 is ok i hear |
| 23:10.45 | PlanarPlatypus | grigora: the best solution I can offer is to do it incrementally with something like for i in * type loop |
| 23:10.46 | jetscreamer | enlightenment |
| 23:10.49 | kvossen | jetscreamer, thanks a lot! |
| 23:10.52 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, thank you |
| 23:10.56 | takatumi | Phated: actually it is, I haven't used lilo yet, so started with grub. |
| 23:10.57 | jair_11 | ok |
| 23:10.58 | jetscreamer | but i prefer icewm myself |
| 23:11.04 | Phated | jair_11: Don't see what that has to do with anything. I recommend Openbox by the way. |
| 23:11.16 | Phated | takatumi: I've used both, and I prefer lilo. Win me. :) |
| 23:11.26 | jair_11 | ok |
| 23:11.29 | jair_11 | thank you guys. |
| 23:11.36 | Demon` | I'll give you the whole story: had a debian installation I wanted to remove, so I used xp's fixmbr to remove grub (which did boot to xp), and then erased the ext3fs partition. I then proceeded to do a netinst, installed grub which detected XP and configured itself. after the installation I tried booting to XP, but the boot just hanged every time I tried |
| 23:11.39 | Phated | xfce4 is heavier than *box, actually. IME. |
| 23:11.42 | takatumi | Phated: :P |
| 23:11.46 | Phated | takatumi: :) |
| 23:12.05 | PlanarPlatypus | grigora: that being what I do and it seems to work, not sure how many files are in the directory thoguh |
| 23:12.08 | PlanarPlatypus | *though |
| 23:12.10 | dli | which C function to read in a line? |
| 23:12.12 | takatumi | Phated: *box is heavier than ion IME |
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| 23:12.21 | Phated | Never used ion. No comment. |
| 23:12.25 | jetscreamer | Demon`, that could still be grub |
| 23:12.26 | Babbage | dli> getline |
| 23:12.34 | jair_11 | concerning the IBM laptop I am on the stage where is asking me about "accept load-time parameter" "prompt fro module parameters"? |
| 23:12.35 | Babbage | dli> or fgets |
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| 23:12.49 | jetscreamer | Demon`, w98 boot disk, fdisk /mbr |
| 23:12.52 | jair_11 | I shuld accept that or not, I am using the "expert26" |
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| 23:12.56 | dli | Babbage, fgets stops at ' ', right? |
| 23:13.00 | jetscreamer | to restore ms bootloaders |
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| 23:13.11 | Babbage | grigora: what was it you were trying to do? |
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| 23:13.15 | Demon` | jetscreamer: I have a working copy of my MBR, and I had to recover it all four times I tried to install |
| 23:13.17 | comadreja | mrcheeks where can I find a .deb with windows codecs ? |
| 23:13.33 | jetscreamer | jair_11, if you don't know any parameters to tell it, i suggest you say no or whatever |
| 23:13.36 | Babbage | dli> no, stops at EOF or newline. |
| 23:13.42 | jetscreamer | comadreja, marillat |
| 23:13.42 | Phated | comadreja: It's just a tar.bz2, just extract it to /usr/lib/win32 or something. |
| 23:13.53 | xlulux | hey guys i have some problems with setting up colinux with the latest debian kernel, the problem is with networking. i dont know how to set up the networking portion can anyone help? |
| 23:13.55 | Babbage | dli> scanf("%s") stops at whitespace |
| 23:13.56 | jetscreamer | !tell comadreja about marillat |
| 23:13.56 | jetscreamer | w32codecs |
| 23:14.17 | dli | Babbage, I need to readin lines of numbers, I used, scanf("%lg%c",), and check the following char for '\n', silly to me |
| 23:15.17 | Babbage | dli> Doesn;t seem that stupid. Most of the other alternatives are quite a bit more code |
| 23:15.22 | dli | Babbage, then, fgets sounds better, it checks for buffer size |
| 23:15.26 | bender-rw- | std::string::readline |
| 23:15.29 | bender-rw- | :-P |
| 23:15.50 | Babbage | dli> If portability is not a concern, use getline(). It allocates the buffer for you. |
| 23:16.12 | comadreja | Phated I've got marillat mozilla-mplayer installed but still can't listen to mms radio stations |
| 23:16.14 | dli | Babbage, "%lg%c", fails with "%g"+' '+' '+'\n' |
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| 23:16.28 | dli | Babbages thanks :) |
| 23:16.36 | jetscreamer | Phated, omg! |
| 23:16.49 | Phated | comadreja: How is that relevant? If you want the win32 codecs, untar them to a folder of your choice, and point your application at them. |
| 23:16.53 | Phated | jetscreamer: Yes, my son? |
| 23:16.56 | Babbage | dli> The scanf() %[ format specifier is also worth knowing about |
| 23:17.14 | jetscreamer | omg he/she can't play mms stuff |
| 23:17.16 | Babbage | Phated> Heh, I used to know someone else who used to do that |
| 23:17.25 | jetscreamer | hey comadreja vlc does mms iirc |
| 23:17.30 | dli | Babbage, one example? to use scanf ? |
| 23:17.39 | toresbe | How do I do a lookup based on host on IRC? |
| 23:17.42 | Phated | Babbage: Yes, so many are blasphemous of true godhood. |
| 23:17.44 | cthulfuego | Woo! My Virtual Debian System works :-) |
| 23:17.49 | toresbe | Like, all users on IP x.x.x.x |
| 23:17.51 | Babbage | dli> You're probably better off with getline() than scanf. |
| 23:17.52 | comadreja | Phated, I've got the codecs in /usr/lib/win32 too |
| 23:17.53 | grivell | aviplayer plays mms too |
| 23:18.06 | Phated | comadreja: Does your application, however, know that they're there? |
| 23:18.08 | comadreja | jetscreamer they are mms:....asx |
| 23:18.23 | comadreja | I guess so, I can watch divx movies |
| 23:18.24 | dli | comadreja, if mplayer doesn't work, go to mplayerhq.hu, download, and compile yourself |
| 23:18.38 | jetscreamer | just install the codecs with the .deb it's a lot easier eh, and just works |
| 23:18.41 | jetscreamer | lol@dli |
| 23:18.42 | comadreja | dli, I have compiled myself, and it works |
| 23:18.54 | comadreja | I ust have problems with online radio stations |
| 23:18.54 | toresbe | nm |
| 23:18.54 | jetscreamer | o |
| 23:18.56 | Phated | There's an aviplayer, is there... And I've been using gxine all thie while. |
| 23:18.59 | Phated | this. |
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| 23:19.05 | comadreja | just |
| 23:19.15 | jetscreamer | xine-ui > *-xine |
| 23:19.22 | grivell | comadreja: Use mimms to download mms streams to disk. |
| 23:19.35 | jetscreamer | esp totem-xine, on dual heads |
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| 23:19.44 | Phated | jetscreamer: Nothing against it, gxine has that gtk2 thing going for it, though. |
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| 23:19.55 | comadreja | grivell : why can't I listen to them online ? |
| 23:20.23 | grivell | comadreja: I don't know. Never bothered with mms radio. I can use Rhythmbox for that stuff if I wanted. |
| 23:20.46 | jetscreamer | Phated, i've only noticed differences in dual monitor support, and audio |
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| 23:21.01 | jetscreamer | but i'll give gxine a try |
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| 23:21.39 | Phated | jetscreamer: Man, do not talk to me about audio on this POS I have. I don't know about dual monitor support, though. AFAIK gxine is just xine with a nicer file open dialog. <shrug> |
| 23:22.18 | pingouiin | the AMD athlon 64 32/64 have not trouble with debian ? and the apps ? i dont care the 64, just want to run it «normal» but retailer doesnt have «clasic» althlon XP |
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| 23:22.57 | jetscreamer | totem-xine works fine cept when it's dualies it still draws some window shit in fullscreen |
| 23:23.08 | cthulfuego | pingouiin: They run 32bit stuff just fine, only faster. |
| 23:23.12 | mike_ | how do i list all the available groups at a shell? |
| 23:23.17 | jetscreamer | running mplayer in console and watching videos freaked me |
| 23:23.31 | comadreja | I get this: |
| 23:23.34 | comadreja | alert! eof |
| 23:23.34 | comadreja | read error:: Operation now in progress |
| 23:23.34 | comadreja | pre-header read failed |
| 23:23.40 | jetscreamer | groups |
| 23:23.47 | dli | Babbage, just realized, getline doesn't solve my problem, because I still need to read in numbers from a string, still need to check for '\0' |
| 23:23.53 | pingouiin | cthulfuego: ok, good, i was afraid that the 64 part make troubles... |
| 23:23.57 | jetscreamer | mike_, groups maybe |
| 23:23.57 | Phated | jetscreamer: I love aalib. Or whatever it is that mplayer uses for it. |
| 23:24.11 | cthulfuego | pingouiin: No, it's a backwards comparible system (unlike that 64bit intel shite) |
| 23:24.19 | arango | My kernel is packing... it says it can't find root /dev/hda2... |
| 23:24.32 | jetscreamer | packing? |
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| 23:24.40 | mike_ | jetscreamer: thanks, oh yeah, remember how i couldn't get my hd to work, and trying to use dd? |
| 23:24.42 | arango | My kernel is panicking... it says it can't find root /dev/hda2... |
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| 23:24.56 | dli | arango, file system? |
| 23:24.58 | mrcheeks | comadreja:deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 23:25.02 | Babbage | dli> Yes, but then you can use sscanf() to parse the string, and use the %n conversion specifier to find out how much of the string you have consumed so far. |
| 23:25.02 | jetscreamer | arango, usually when you make a new kernel and reboot and get that it's lack of initrd properly configured |
| 23:25.22 | mrcheeks | i never had problems with stream videos except in first versions of mplayerplug-in |
| 23:25.27 | arango | jetscreamer: I am not using initrd |
| 23:25.43 | mrcheeks | comadreja:where did you get the plugin, from unstable |
| 23:25.44 | jetscreamer | arango, did you take the initrd statement out of your bootloader? |
| 23:25.45 | mike_ | jetscreamer: had to do a format and installed sarge. The HD was broken. Sector 0 was corrupt or something |
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| 23:25.56 | jetscreamer | and did you compile support for you fs into the kernel? |
| 23:26.06 | arango | jetscreamer: yes, all I left was the name, kernel and root lines |
| 23:26.14 | stew | Phated: have you watched 'bb'? its the aalib 'demo' |
| 23:26.37 | jetscreamer | mike_, sounds familiar |
| 23:26.39 | Phated | stew: Can't say it's popping out at me, but if it involves some fireballs and stuff then yeah, pretty cool. |
| 23:26.46 | jetscreamer | i guess you got it workinig |
| 23:27.12 | dli | Babbage, like, sscanf(linebuf,"%lg%n",&a,&i) ? |
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| 23:27.32 | Babbage | dli> looks right. Check the return value too. |
| 23:27.37 | mike_ | Unknown group 'nobody'. on line 22 of '/etc/proftpd.conf'. do i have to make a new group? |
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| 23:28.07 | dli | Babbage, while ( sscanf(linebuf,"%lg%n",&a,&i) ==2) |
| 23:28.08 | Codyman | hello |
| 23:28.13 | jetscreamer | mike_, there is a nobody group, but apparently you don't have one. all i know. |
| 23:28.15 | Babbage | mike_> or use "nogroup" |
| 23:28.19 | Codyman | anyone here running kde beta 2 3.4 |
| 23:28.59 | Babbage | dli> no, the return value is 1 since %n does not itself contribute towards the count, as the manpage says |
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| 23:29.20 | mike_ | thanks mate :) |
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| 23:29.39 | arango | jetscreamer: what should go in the root line grub conf ? |
| 23:29.52 | jetscreamer | n8 is pronounced 'nate' not 'nite' |
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| 23:30.04 | dli | Babbage, thanks :) sscanf() would fail across '\0', then, why do I need %n ? |
| 23:30.11 | jetscreamer | arango, i have no idea it's always been easier for me to use lilo than learn grub |
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| 23:30.26 | Babbage | dli> I assumed you would have more than one floating-point number per line. |
| 23:31.05 | dli | Babbage, maybe, while( sscanf(linebuf,"%lg", a+i++) ) ; |
| 23:31.31 | dli | Babbage, no, that would be a dead loop |
| 23:31.39 | dli | Babbage, got your point, testing |
| 23:32.02 | Babbage | dli> No, you need to add the number of bytes consumed last time onto the pointer passed as the first argument. |
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| 23:32.48 | Phated | Oh don't all die once I join. |
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| 23:33.13 | Rawplayer | how can i solve this? |
| 23:33.14 | Phated | "MEDIC!" |
| 23:33.16 | Rawplayer | Feb 12 02:30:56 witch vtund[559]: Can't allocate tap device tap0. Device or resource busy(16) |
| 23:33.19 | Rawplayer | Feb 12 02:30:56 witch vtund[559]: Session kdekok[195.149.88.250] closed |
| 23:33.21 | Rawplayer | Feb 12 02:30:56 witch vtund[559]: Exit |
| 23:33.24 | J_P | people, I am have one network card vt 6105(via), i try add module via-rhine, but not work, anyone know what module work with this card ? |
| 23:33.26 | Rawplayer | it is not busy and its compiled into my kernel |
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| 23:34.47 | abrocadabro | hi there, what should I do to get the system to sent me a email whenever a problem occurs? |
| 23:34.52 | jetscreamer | J_P, http://scyld.com/network.html |
| 23:34.59 | Babbage | abrocadabro> define "problem"... |
| 23:35.18 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-conf 'maybe' |
| 23:35.29 | abrocadabro | Babbage: system failure or server failure, e.g postgres failed to start |
| 23:35.43 | arango | VFS: Cannot open root device "hda2" or unknown-block (0,0) |
| 23:36.07 | abrocadabro | jetscreamer: i'll have a go |
| 23:36.10 | arango | Please append a correct "boot=" option |
| 23:36.12 | njan | abrocadabro, write a script which checks whether or not the process exists / is accepting connections to e-mail you. |
| 23:36.22 | arango | help !! |
| 23:36.29 | Babbage | abrocadabro> how about apt-cache search analysis | grep log ? |
| 23:36.34 | njan | abrocadabro, or you could look at something designed specifically for that, like nagios |
| 23:36.41 | jetscreamer | abrocadabro, when exim gets setup, it asks you that question (who do you wnat the mail sent to) |
| 23:37.01 | jetscreamer | abrocadabro, i 'think' the exim4 one does too |
| 23:37.10 | arango | Is it because of the way the kernel was compiled ? |
| 23:37.19 | abrocadabro | sent to my own email address so that i kown if there is a problem in the server or not |
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| 23:37.36 | jetscreamer | arango, do you have support for your / filesystem compiled into the kernel? |
| 23:37.56 | jetscreamer | abrocadabro, can't swear. |
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| 23:38.27 | arango | jetscreamer: I think that's the problem. I compiled the kernel with a debian config file |
| 23:38.31 | jetscreamer | arango, those other guys' answers are probably better than mine btw |
| 23:38.50 | jetscreamer | arango, re do the kernel |
| 23:38.53 | arango | jetscreamer: so IDE drivers are probaly modules |
| 23:39.07 | arango | How do I make an initrd file ? |
| 23:39.16 | stew | arango: did you compile yourself or apt-get a kernel? |
| 23:39.17 | jetscreamer | arango, you have to have the basic stuff compiled in, not as a module |
| 23:39.20 | Babbage | arango> "man mkinitrd" |
| 23:39.29 | jetscreamer | arango, man mkinitrd (never done it) |
| 23:39.30 | mrcheeks | arango:you don't need an initrd... i don't use one |
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| 23:39.36 | jetscreamer | or what babbage said |
| 23:39.37 | Babbage | jetscreamer> not if you use GRUB I suppose |
| 23:39.46 | arango | stew: I compiled it myself using the config file from debian |
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| 23:40.07 | stew | arango: then you should have passed the --initrd option to make-kpkg |
| 23:40.15 | stew | arango: did you use debian kernel-sources? |
| 23:40.28 | Babbage | There's nothing like completely hosing things to REALLY help you learn how things work :) |
| 23:40.29 | stew | !wayc arango |
| 23:40.30 | dpkg | arango: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 23:40.32 | arango | stew: yes |
| 23:40.32 | mrcheeks | for 2.6.X make && make modules_install;cp arch/path/bzImage /boot/image;...;update-grub... |
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| 23:40.48 | jetscreamer | Babbage, you'll have to explain that one... what doesn't need fs modules compiled in, if you don't use initrd? |
| 23:41.28 | stew | arango: if you used the debian config without altering it then you needed to have passed the --initrd option to make-kpkg when you compiled |
| 23:41.28 | jcb | what is the most widely ised imap daemon? |
| 23:41.30 | Babbage | jetscreamer> Well, OK, you'd need to compile the cramfs filesystem in, obviously :) |
| 23:41.30 | arango | dpkg: because I am installing some drivers that give me "tainted" messages so I wanted to see if that would fix it |
| 23:41.30 | dpkg | You are moron #1, arango |
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| 23:41.36 | stew | jcb: popcon.debian.org |
| 23:41.39 | zakk | please stop sending your users to #nvidia |
| 23:41.47 | zakk | we don't know, or use, debian |
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| 23:42.00 | zakk | thanks. |
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| 23:42.22 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 23:42.24 | jasz | !tell me about ext2->ext3 |
| 23:42.28 | arango | stew: I never used make-kpkg, what is that ? |
| 23:42.37 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: any idea why zakk just said what he did? |
| 23:42.38 | stew | arango: the tainted message means that you are using non-free modules, and you shouldn't worry about and wont be able to change that, save writing your own drivers |
| 23:42.42 | stew | arango: /msg dpkg kp |
| 23:42.46 | mrcheeks | jasz:tune2fs -j /dev/partition |
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| 23:43.19 | Babbage | !tell me about birds&&bees |
| 23:43.22 | Rawplayer | how can i solve this? Feb 12 02:38:28 witch ovpn-openvpn[587]: Note: Cannot set tx queue length on : No such device (errno=19) |
| 23:43.28 | jasz | mrcheeks, .. yeah.. i already did that but.. i wanted to remember the line tocheck if the kernel can handle ext3 FS |
| 23:43.32 | stew | !tell Babbage about sex |
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| 23:43.36 | jasz | (for anothe machine) |
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| 23:43.43 | mrcheeks | ... :-) |
| 23:43.44 | jasz | !tell me about sex |
| 23:43.51 | Phated | FTLOG, /msg dpkg. |
| 23:43.51 | Babbage | stew> It's not mine, is it? |
| 23:44.00 | stew | hrm someone broke that factoid |
| 23:44.09 | jasz | hahaha.. dpkg is a hermaphroditic |
| 23:44.09 | Phated | No, it was changed. |
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| 23:44.38 | Babbage | What was the factoid before? |
| 23:44.42 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 23:44.53 | arango | stew: let me explain. I am trying to compile some drivers that are not part of the kernel source. These drivers for some reason need the entire kernel source (the header packages won't do, and I don't know why). So I downloaded the kernel source for the same kernel image that I have installed, but I am suspecting there is something different between the source and the actual modules and image I have. |
| 23:44.56 | Phated | Something about touch, man, fsck, more, yes, yes, yes, make clean, and so on. |
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| 23:45.00 | tarzeau | peterS: can you update your mirror? 0.9.4.2 is there. all the others are not needed anymore |
| 23:45.01 | sobersabre | hi guys.. |
| 23:45.05 | FieldySnuts | @lart zakk and #nvidia |
| 23:45.11 | Phated | Wahee. |
| 23:45.18 | peterS | tarzeau: sure |
| 23:45.21 | stew | arango: what makes you say the headers wouldn't be enough? |
| 23:45.24 | FieldySnuts | Phated: scroll up a bit to zakk to see why, jerks |
| 23:45.26 | Babbage | arango> You should copy the Debian ".config" file and do "make oldconfig" at least. |
| 23:45.27 | Phated | Fuck, does this mean I can't go there to ask them about nvidia anymore? |
| 23:45.27 | jetscreamer | FieldySnuts, yeah probably because i sent somebody to #nvidia to ask about a problem with the nvidia-installer, silly me thinking #nvidia was about nvidia and it's .run's |
| 23:45.34 | Phated | FieldySnuts: I saw, sweetie. *snuggles* |
| 23:45.40 | FieldySnuts | jetscreamer: lamers |
| 23:45.42 | arango | Babbage: that is what |
| 23:45.43 | jetscreamer | Babbage, arango, no. |
| 23:45.44 | arango | Babbage: that is what I did |
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| 23:45.48 | Babbage | stew> depends how the foreign module expects to be built. |
| 23:46.17 | jetscreamer | from a pristine kernel-source, uname -r is used if you don't cp anything or act weird |
| 23:46.28 | Babbage | arango> Also see http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=626 |
| 23:46.28 | sobersabre | is there a way [except netstat -anp | grep grpegrpegrergreg ... ] to see a list of ssh connected clients ? |
| 23:46.35 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.40 | Phated | FieldySnuts: I wasn't away I was exceptionally naughty on fridays, but all right. *huggles* |
| 23:46.53 | peterS | tarzeau: I notice gnustep.ethz.ch has an rsync server running. is /pub/gnustep/ available in there? if so, that'll save a lot of time pulling down 0.9.4.2.... |
| 23:47.00 | arango | stew: because the drivers did not compile with kernel headers but they did compile with kernel-source. The problem is that when I load the compiled drivers they bitch about not finding struct_module |
| 23:47.14 | confrey | I can't use gnome-volume-manager; hald is installed; while trying to configure gnome-volume-manager, I obtain this : The "hald" service is required but not currently running. Enable the service and rerun this applet, or contact your system administrator. What can I do? |
| 23:47.15 | stew | sobersabre: ps aux | grep sshd |
| 23:47.30 | arango | Anyway, I need to make an initrd to be able to boot, how do I do that ? |
| 23:47.30 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, regarding the pc |
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| 23:47.38 | Babbage | sobersabre> "pgrep ssh"? |
| 23:47.43 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, It is asking me about the PCMCIA |
| 23:47.45 | tarzeau | peterS: i have no idea. try it |
| 23:47.47 | jetscreamer | arango, man mkinitrd |
| 23:47.48 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hehe |
| 23:47.55 | jair_11 | I shuld start the services of PCMCIA |
| 23:47.56 | jetscreamer | jair_11, do you use pcmcia? |
| 23:48.00 | stew | arango: you should really be using make-kpkg, but if you arent, then man mkinird |
| 23:48.03 | jetscreamer | i don't |
| 23:48.11 | peterS | tarzeau: it doesn't seem to serve those files anywhere, unfortunately. oh well, I'll pull down the whole 400 MB then |
| 23:48.13 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, I have PCMCIA but I don't think I will; need it |
| 23:48.13 | sobersabre | Babbage, i would like to know uid's of the clients. |
| 23:48.16 | jetscreamer | jair_11, the little cards you plug in.. cardbus? |
| 23:48.17 | stew | arango: if you use make-kpkg, then pass it the --initrd argument |
| 23:48.30 | stew | sobersabre: what about "who" or "w" |
| 23:48.33 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) *rrrawr* |
| 23:48.33 | jetscreamer | jair_11, you can always put it back later if you need |
| 23:48.34 | dli | Babbage, it works, but still tricky, while( sscanf(linebuf+ks,"%lg%n",d+k,&ks2) == 1) { k++; ks += ks2;} |
| 23:48.35 | Babbage | sobersabre> On the remote machines? |
| 23:48.39 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, right I some times use it but I will not use it now for install. |
| 23:48.47 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, right |
| 23:48.53 | arango | mkinitrd seems complex, what's the easiest way ? |
| 23:49.01 | Babbage | dli> looks OK to me. |
| 23:49.03 | jetscreamer | recompile |
| 23:49.10 | sobersabre | stew, there are console users too ... so who won't do :)\ |
| 23:49.13 | arango | stew: what is this kpkg thing ? |
| 23:49.18 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, and other thing is that I know that "kanotix which is a debian like distro" recognize the centrino wireless |
| 23:49.19 | stew | arango: /msg dpkg kp |
| 23:49.23 | Babbage | arango> Also see http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=626 |
| 23:49.29 | jetscreamer | trust me, i'm a very laz... errr efficient person |
| 23:49.38 | dli | Babbage, I tested it, numbers are correctly repeated |
| 23:49.49 | Babbage | dli> Good news |
| 23:50.03 | jetscreamer | jair_11, no idea, can happen though, kano has great hw detection scripts |
| 23:50.13 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, do you know if the debian I am installing will support the Centrino? |
| 23:50.21 | jair_11 | kano right |
| 23:50.34 | arango | Babbage: thanks |
| 23:50.36 | sobersabre | my prob is: i need to give exclusive access to a machine. at the moment it is applied, i need to notify all illegal users to pissof, warn them and kick'em out. |
| 23:50.42 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, if not I will then probably need the pcmcia |
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| 23:50.48 | jetscreamer | jair_11, it 'will' work, you just need the modules.. it depends on the kernel and if it supports it. not the debian package itself. |
| 23:50.52 | PerfDave | sobersabre: slay! :) |
| 23:50.57 | Babbage | sobersabre> /etc/nologin ? |
| 23:51.02 | dli | Babbage, should I do this in perl? |
| 23:51.02 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, oohhhh ok |
| 23:51.07 | jetscreamer | jair_11, there are also 3rd party modules that can be compiled sometimes |
| 23:51.16 | Babbage | dli> I thought you'd got it working. |
| 23:51.19 | jetscreamer | jair_11, i'd look around on intel.com or something |
| 23:51.23 | sobersabre | Babbage, nologin is ... for new logins. |
| 23:51.24 | arango | Sometimes I debate if it would take me less time to reinstall |
| 23:51.36 | Babbage | sobersabre> yeah |
| 23:51.53 | jetscreamer | arango, if you practice you can get stuff installed in 30 min or less |
| 23:51.57 | fflush | ls |
| 23:52.03 | sobersabre | i am writing a script... so i am consulting with you all :) |
| 23:52.04 | jetscreamer | arango, but not updated |
| 23:52.35 | confrey | I can't use gnome-volume-manager; hald is installed; while trying to configure gnome-volume-manager, I obtain this : The "hald" service is required but not currently running. Enable the service and rerun this applet, or contact your system administrator. What can I do? |
| 23:52.37 | arango | Can I some how run the debian installer and tell it to only put a new kernel in my system ? |
| 23:52.40 | dli | Babbage, just some thought, I always keep those in C, but sounds like reinventing the wheel everyday |
| 23:53.13 | dli | arango, why not apt-get or make-kpkg ? |
| 23:53.20 | BrianAnthony | hi |
| 23:53.57 | BrianAnthony | can someone tell me the path to a USB mouse drive? |
| 23:54.02 | Babbage | sobersabre> one alternative is somethign complex involving "lsof | grep ^sshd" |
| 23:54.10 | BrianAnthony | X is working, but I have no mouse or keyboard |
| 23:54.10 | PerfDave | "USB mouse drive"? |
| 23:54.12 | dli | BrianAnthony, for 2.6 kernel, use /dev/input/mice |
| 23:54.16 | jetscreamer | arango, boot the old kernel wtf and fix it |
| 23:54.20 | BrianAnthony | It's a 2.4.x |
| 23:54.42 | PerfDave | confrey: Possibly "/etc/init.d/hald start" as root, but I've not used HAL. |
| 23:54.47 | Babbage | PerfDave> Sure, haven't you got one? |
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| 23:55.05 | jetscreamer | mine's on backorder |
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| 23:55.15 | sobersabre | Babbage, why not find / -iname * ? :) |
| 23:55.24 | confrey | PerfDave, I have no hald in /etc/init.d |
| 23:55.36 | PerfDave | confrey: No idea then, sorry. |
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| 23:55.43 | lkj | is there anything like the cobalt cube (a small business server [hard and software]) out there based on debian? |
| 23:55.48 | BrianAnthony | I've got a wireless logitech optical mouse, and it was working fine, but I reconfigured x with the same options (I swear) and my mouse nor keyboard will not work |
| 23:55.56 | PerfDave | lkj: What does a cobalt cube do? |
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| 23:56.06 | PerfDave | lkj: You could stick Debian on a shuttle PC or similar. |
| 23:56.11 | jetscreamer | lkj distrowatch.org |
| 23:56.31 | sobersabre | lkj, buy a cobalt cube and load it with debian. |
| 23:56.45 | lkj | having an interface that enables total dummies to setup mail accounts, .... |
| 23:56.47 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 23:56.48 | BrianAnthony | maybe I'm using the wrong mouse protocol? |
| 23:57.09 | BrianAnthony | But I have no idea which one I'm supposed to use |
| 23:57.27 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, so it is ok If I start the use of pcmacia services at the installation. |
| 23:57.34 | Babbage | sobersabre> Itym find / -iname \* |
| 23:57.47 | Babbage | sobersabre> :-P |
| 23:58.02 | stew | good thing you used the case insensitive version there |
| 23:58.04 | lu | nvidia help plz., !lan party manana!, installed sh NVID...sh installer. in that session x with glx works great, BUT on reboot no dice., #nvidia group says go back and bother #debian, ;( sorry |
| 23:58.04 | lkj | I do not want debian on a fancy hardware. I want something that every 08/15 admin can work with on a fancy hardware but still debian based if possible |
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| 23:58.25 | cthulfuego | lu: Install it the deboan way. '/msg dpkg nvidia'. |
| 23:58.29 | jetscreamer | jair_11, i would think it wouldn't hurt... hey you can always turn it off |
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| 23:58.56 | Jeyrad | hey |
| 23:59.07 | lu | hmm, if i do it the debian way, do i have to recompile the kernel from scratch? it's been tainted by nvidia's kernel |
| 23:59.13 | PerfDave | 08/15 admin? |
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| 23:59.21 | Jeyrad | i need some help with getting an up-to-date version of XServer fromthe command line |
| 23:59.28 | Jeyrad | can anyone help? |
| 23:59.34 | darxeth | is the command "get" to download from the terminal or what? |
| 23:59.38 | dli | Jeyrad, apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 23:59.44 | PerfDave | !tell lu about nvidia-installer |
| 23:59.55 | nextime | anyone with mysql-client-4.1 on sarge? |
| 23:59.57 | Jeyrad | type that exactly? |
