| 00:00.05 | Jeyrad | i dont think my web is configured correctly |
| 00:00.19 | cthulfuego | lu: any nvidia module taints any kernel. |
| 00:00.29 | Babbage | !tell Babbage about JFK_Shooting |
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| 00:00.47 | lu | and do I have to use the emerge command ala gentoo help site. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml |
| 00:00.58 | stew | omg |
| 00:01.07 | darxeth | why when i type: get [url] it tells me command not found!? |
| 00:01.10 | BucWheat | haha emerge and debian |
| 00:01.22 | Jeyrad | how do i d/l the latest xfree86? |
| 00:01.24 | dvs | darxeth: wget? |
| 00:01.28 | lu | ?? i've seen many howto's and i'm going batty |
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| 00:01.37 | stew | !friday |
| 00:01.37 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: because it's GET url; and even then you need libwww-perl; |
| 00:01.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 00:01.37 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, no change the ; to && in the middle |
| 00:01.39 | darxeth | dvs: allright |
| 00:01.54 | cthulfuego | lu: The debian-pckaged nviai debs come with docs un der /usr/share/doc. |
| 00:02.08 | jetscreamer | wget |
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| 00:02.36 | darxeth | dvs: whats the difference between GET and wget? |
| 00:02.36 | Jeyrad | 0 upgraded, 0 new, 0remove |
| 00:02.44 | Jeyrad | any other way? |
| 00:02.50 | jetscreamer | lu you need the kernel-headers, or the source you compiled your kernel from, to install the nvidia binary thingy |
| 00:02.52 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, I am now in the part of install other components to load like irda for infra red and console openssh and all that stuff I think later I can add those modules if I want right? |
| 00:02.52 | Jeyrad | i dont need the web? |
| 00:03.04 | Jeyrad | what do i change it to? |
| 00:03.14 | lu | gotcha, so pristine source or apt-get debian source |
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| 00:03.18 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: there is a huge difference. wget actually can download the pages and do useful things. GET just issues an HTTP GET request. |
| 00:03.20 | Jeyrad | and how do i know if my internet connection is configured right? |
| 00:03.23 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, sarge, woody, which? |
| 00:03.31 | Jeyrad | woody r2 fresh install |
| 00:03.35 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, sarge |
| 00:03.35 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: man wget; man GET; |
| 00:03.39 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 00:03.47 | jair_11 | IPv6 I should install it |
| 00:03.49 | PerfDave | lu: Debian doesn't have emerge. Just /msg dpkg nvidia, follow the instructions in that URL, use module-assistant and it'll do it all for you. |
| 00:03.49 | lu | then apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:03.51 | darxeth | dondelelcaro, : allright |
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| 00:03.58 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, is this a desktop or a server? if it's a desktop you should probably go sarge |
| 00:04.00 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, I shuld install ipv6? |
| 00:04.04 | Jeyrad | kk |
| 00:04.08 | Jeyrad | ill d/l sarge |
| 00:04.10 | Jeyrad | thanks |
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| 00:04.15 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, x-windows for woody is old |
| 00:04.20 | jetscreamer | jair_11, do you use ipv6? |
| 00:04.22 | PerfDave | lu: I have no idea what will break, since you used the nvidia-installer, but hopefully this might fix some of the damage you've caused. |
| 00:04.24 | Jeyrad | yeah i realized |
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| 00:04.46 | jetscreamer | !tell Jeyrad about woody->sarge |
| 00:04.58 | ^c | !poop ipv6 |
| 00:05.05 | Jeyrad | it doesnt support my nVidia g4 |
| 00:05.24 | felipe_br | does anybody know what's the status of Debian secure update? (apt-get checking signatures and md5 of downloaded packages, debsig-verify etc.) |
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| 00:05.57 | lu | thanks, do I have to apt-get remove everything previous, recompile from pristine source, |
| 00:06.10 | watchdog | Hello ! I'm looking for some Debian stickers to purchase. |
| 00:06.15 | watchdog | And I'm in France. |
| 00:06.15 | lu | then attempt or should I (cough) rebuild |
| 00:06.20 | watchdog | Can anyone help ? |
| 00:06.42 | PerfDave | lu: You shouldn't have to recompile anything, module-assistant should do it all for you. |
| 00:07.01 | watchdog | I know it's not extremely technical, but... :-) |
| 00:07.35 | lu | doh, man module-assitant in progress |
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| 00:08.31 | Jeyrad | my internet isnt working |
| 00:08.34 | Jeyrad | :( |
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| 00:08.36 | lu | I printed my own debian stickers for cd's and my laptop |
| 00:08.39 | abrocadabro | dpkg --configure exim4-config says that it has already been configured, how can i force it to reconfigure it again? |
| 00:08.40 | dpkg | You are moron #2, abrocadabro |
| 00:08.42 | PerfDave | lu: Just follow the damn instructions in the factoid already. |
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| 00:08.46 | Jeyrad | Failed to fetch .... |
| 00:08.47 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:08.54 | lu | ok perfect dave |
| 00:09.02 | Jeyrad | can anyone help? |
| 00:09.04 | abrocadabro | perfdave: thanks |
| 00:09.28 | watchdog | Thanks lu, but the result with my poor inkjet printer will not be correct, uh ? |
| 00:09.30 | Phated | Hehe, perfect dave. |
| 00:09.44 | lu | fyi, i've already failed following the sites you suggested. thanks for you help sincerely |
| 00:09.49 | Jeyrad | how do i get my internet working? |
| 00:10.00 | stew | Jeyrad: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 00:11.00 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, http://scyld.com/network.html |
| 00:11.12 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, woody kernel may or may not support your nic |
| 00:11.29 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, lspci -vv |
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| 00:11.44 | fflush | pcictl /dev/pci0 list |
| 00:11.48 | fflush | ouch |
| 00:11.49 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.53 | a_monkey | what does enable dpms in my xf86cfg do? |
| 00:11.54 | pattyand | hi there, is there a development environment for linux like there is Zend PHP Studio for Windows? |
| 00:11.58 | fflush | wrong channel |
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| 00:12.24 | Jeyrad | same thing happened |
| 00:12.33 | Jeyrad | it says failed to fetch .... |
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| 00:13.00 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, are the modules for your nic loaded |
| 00:13.08 | Jeyrad | no clue |
| 00:13.10 | Jeyrad | lol |
| 00:13.22 | Jeyrad | how do i check |
| 00:13.23 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, what nic |
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| 00:13.46 | aminal | Okay, I'm using imsp2(I think that's right?) mouse protol, I've been told that that is the correct protocol for my mouse, but I'm sitll having a problem that my mouse and keyboard have no functionality in X whatsoever |
| 00:13.50 | pattyand | oh, zend is haha |
| 00:13.51 | phorce1 | cool cups now prints over to the winbox ... on to the next crisis. |
| 00:13.52 | aminal | With no errors |
| 00:14.10 | dvs | aminal: It's ImPS/2 |
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| 00:14.27 | aminal | dvs: that's the one I was using then =) |
| 00:14.33 | dvs | amblin: u sure/ |
| 00:14.35 | Jeyrad | dunno that either,have it written down some where tho |
| 00:14.38 | aminal | Yeah |
| 00:14.40 | aminal | Positive |
| 00:14.41 | Phated | Jeyrad: Find it. |
| 00:14.47 | Jeyrad | kk |
| 00:14.53 | aminal | I just forgot the exact name |
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| 00:15.20 | aminal | I don't understand why x is launching, if it's configured properly |
| 00:15.26 | aminal | if it isn't, even |
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| 00:15.47 | aminal | But when Gnome comes up, I cna't type or move the cursor |
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| 00:15.51 | Jeyrad | shouldnt i just d/l sarge? |
| 00:15.54 | Jeyrad | wont it be easier |
| 00:16.01 | dvs | Jeyrad: much easier |
| 00:16.03 | Phated | <shrugs> I got my NIC working on woody fine. |
| 00:16.04 | aminal | Any idea on what I'm doing wrong? |
| 00:16.05 | Jeyrad | giid |
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| 00:16.08 | Jeyrad | good* |
| 00:16.13 | Phated | Unless you have sone crap NIC. |
| 00:16.23 | Phated | Which... one hopes you don't. |
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| 00:16.32 | Jeyrad | it worked with ubuntu |
| 00:16.32 | aminal | It picked up my RealTek fine =P |
| 00:16.34 | Jeyrad | O.o |
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| 00:16.54 | dvs | ubuntu is much closer to sid |
| 00:16.59 | a_monkey | wow. EnablePageFlip beefed up my framerate |
| 00:17.05 | Jeyrad | sid? |
| 00:17.06 | Phated | Doesn't matter. Really. |
| 00:17.10 | dvs | unstable |
| 00:17.14 | darkx | a_monkey, nvidia card? |
| 00:17.16 | Jeyrad | oh |
| 00:17.16 | aminal | But can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong with the config? |
| 00:17.26 | a_monkey | darkx: no radeon |
| 00:17.29 | darkx | ah |
| 00:17.58 | Phated | Good lord, 49 fps. |
| 00:18.08 | Phated | Need accel soon... |
| 00:18.33 | asuffield | 49Hz is good enough for television. don't be such a wimp |
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| 00:18.45 | Phated | I'm not watching TV on this, am I. :) |
| 00:18.51 | a_monkey | glxgears gives me about 830 fps. normally i get about 525 fps |
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| 00:19.05 | asuffield | that's almost as meaningless as bogomips |
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| 00:19.14 | khanman | is there a good newsreader for debian that can reassemble binaries and handle nzb lists? |
| 00:19.30 | Jeyrad | i have a Intel PRO/100 VE |
| 00:19.34 | phorce1 | next crisis (well -- semi-crisis). Using the debian-installer to put sarge on a Sparc Ultra-1. For some reason it won't let me set up raid partitions on the drives when I reach the partitioning stage. I wanted to raid0 any 'leftover' space into a big /home. No errors, just doesn't offer it when you get to the FS prompt page. Ideas? |
| 00:19.38 | ^c | khanman: pan works good |
| 00:19.48 | arango | I am trying to compile some third-party net drivers that for some reason need the entire kernel source. The kernel-headers package is not enough. My kernel image is kernel-image-2.6.8-13-i386. The question is, if I install kernel-source-2.6.8_2.6.8-13_all.deb, would that be the same source that the kernel-image was built with ? |
| 00:19.56 | asuffield | khanman: all known newsreaders suck. it's a perennial problem with usenet |
| 00:20.13 | Phated | (Which is why asuffield spends his time on IRC.) |
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| 00:20.22 | khanman | ^c: does it support nzb? |
| 00:20.45 | Phated | Ai, I'll complain to FieldySnuts, I will! |
| 00:20.58 | ^c | khanman: not sure, its about the only newsreader worth looking at though |
| 00:21.24 | jair_11 | when I was installing |
| 00:21.24 | FieldySnuts | whaa? |
| 00:21.28 | khanman | asuffield, there are some good windows one..im trying to get away from windows though |
| 00:21.33 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Heeee biiiit meeeeeee! |
| 00:21.39 | asuffield | these days, there's a tendancy for people to use news->mail gateways, just to get a halfway decent client |
| 00:21.41 | asuffield | khanman: nah, those all suck too |
| 00:21.50 | daaku | hey guys.. i'm completely confused about this, and google isnt being much help either.. does gnome support executing custom commands based on keyboard shortcuts? or do i have to use some external application to do this? |
| 00:21.53 | ^c | Phated: don't make tranquilize you honey |
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| 00:22.09 | Phated | ^c: I'm sure you could, but you lost your dictionary, sweetie. |
| 00:22.13 | Jeyrad | which sarge cd(s)do i dl |
| 00:22.18 | khanman | asuffield, you should look at newsleecher then..it doesnt suck |
| 00:22.19 | Phated | Jeyrad: 1. |
| 00:22.23 | Jeyrad | kk |
| 00:22.28 | asuffield | I'm pretty sure it sucks |
| 00:22.32 | ^c | s/make/make me/ |
| 00:22.48 | Jeyrad | ranging from popular packages to less popular packages? |
| 00:22.51 | khanman | asuffield, are you a bot? |
| 00:22.52 | Phated | khanman: Don't try to convince asuffield that anything doesn't suck. You'll save yourself a lot of pain. |
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| 00:23.13 | dvs | Jeyrad: It should be enough to get you on the internet |
| 00:23.18 | khanman | ./msg asuffield hello |
| 00:23.23 | ^c | Phated: now looky here darlin' my dictionary ain't lost, its just on vacation |
| 00:23.28 | Jeyrad | lol |
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| 00:23.33 | arango | How do I get a kernel source that is identical to the one my debian image was built with |
| 00:23.43 | Phated | ^c: Get back a proper voice, do. |
| 00:23.56 | Jeyrad | will the xserver work this time with a nvidia g4 max |
| 00:23.57 | dvs | arango: You're compiling a kernel module, are you? |
| 00:24.18 | Phated | Jeyrad: Depends on how badly you muck up your X config. |
| 00:24.22 | Jeyrad | lol |
| 00:24.35 | arango | dvs: third-party module |
| 00:24.40 | Phated | Why do they always thinks that's funny? |
| 00:24.45 | Jeyrad | what im wondering is why debian doesnt use auto-detect |
| 00:24.53 | dvs | arango: Everyone is using this module-assisstant to do that. |
| 00:24.55 | Jeyrad | like knoppix |
| 00:24.59 | ^c | Phated: I am in tennessee, this be my here proper voice, ya'll |
| 00:24.59 | dvs | Jeyrad: sarge does |
| 00:25.04 | Jeyrad | seriously |
| 00:25.07 | dvs | Jeyrad: yup |
| 00:25.18 | Jeyrad | thats a load off of me |
| 00:25.20 | Phated | Jeyrad: Yeah, sarge has all the stupid autodetect shit in for people too lazy to know their own hardware at install. |
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| 00:25.23 | Jeyrad | -.- |
| 00:25.26 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:25.37 | Jeyrad | well |
| 00:25.39 | sobersabre | q. will a program compiled with libc [GLIBC_2.0] run under GLIBC_2.3 ? |
| 00:25.40 | Jeyrad | im lazy |
| 00:25.42 | Jeyrad | :) |
| 00:25.44 | Phated | <shrugs> It also installs a larger base system than woody's. |
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| 00:25.54 | jeff_ | I'm having problems installing woody on a ppc system. It is a mac g4. For some reason the installer isn't finding the HD. If I pull the CD the system boots properly from the HD so i know it is working/plugged in...any ideas? |
| 00:25.54 | ^c | !kick module-assistant |
| 00:26.05 | Phated | Jeyrad: As evidenced by your preference to stay on IRC and whinge for help than to just... -do- some reading. |
| 00:26.16 | khanman | jeyrad, do what i did....boot knoppix...save the XF86Config-4 to a share (or ftp) and then copy it to your debian box |
| 00:26.32 | arango | dvs: what does it do ? |
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| 00:26.34 | khanman | backup your original first of coz |
| 00:27.14 | dvs | arango: It's suppose to compile third-party modules for your kernel |
| 00:27.14 | Jeyrad | holy crap, lol sarge is d/ling at 674 kb/s on dsl |
| 00:27.14 | followmearound | anyone know how to deal with usb errors? "usb 3-1: device not accepting address 5, error -110" and "usb 3-1: control timeout on ep0out" |
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| 00:27.18 | followmearound | it seems like every device on my box is sharing irq 11 |
| 00:28.10 | arango | dvs: What for ? most third-party drivers have a makefile |
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| 00:28.27 | Phated | arango: It makes it less painful, I'm told. |
| 00:28.42 | Phated | Should use it for nvidia sometime. |
| 00:28.46 | arango | for handling module-source packages that have been prepared for |
| 00:28.46 | arango | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:28.56 | arango | Mine is not prepared for debian |
| 00:29.11 | arango | its just a linux 2.6 driver |
| 00:29.26 | arango | I need the kernel source that matches my kernel image |
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| 00:29.42 | bsytko | does anyone know in what file the PATH variable is |
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| 00:30.01 | dvs | bsytko: /etc/profile |
| 00:30.08 | dvs | bsytko: If you're not root |
| 00:30.23 | bsytko | so editing .bash_profile and putting it there is wrong |
| 00:30.43 | dvs | bsytko: That's OK too if you want to change just your account |
| 00:30.59 | bsytko | dvs: well i put it there and now no commands work =( |
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| 00:31.04 | bsytko | i think i messed it up |
| 00:31.09 | Phated | bsytko: Nothing wrong with that. Depends what you put in it. |
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| 00:31.19 | dvs | bsytko: You probably specified it wrong. |
| 00:31.40 | dvs | bsytko: You probably don't have $PATH as part of the new PATH |
| 00:31.44 | Jeyrad | does sarge use ext3? |
| 00:31.49 | dvs | Jeyrad: yes |
| 00:31.50 | Phated | Jeyrad: It can. |
| 00:31.50 | bsytko | dvs: ahh..no..i dont |
| 00:31.52 | jair_11 | guys I create two partitions on the debian #1 swap and #2 the "/" with the rest of the space it is that ok any problem because the "/" is not the partition #1? |
| 00:31.58 | Jeyrad | good :) |
| 00:31.59 | dvs | bingo! |
| 00:32.00 | Phated | bsytko: That would be a problem. |
| 00:32.13 | bsytko | dvs: do you know where nano is so i can use it to edit he file |
| 00:32.15 | jair_11 | I shuld install LILO or GRUB for the boot loader? |
| 00:32.17 | Phated | jair_11: No. |
| 00:32.19 | bsytko | dvs: it says not found now =( |
| 00:32.21 | Phated | jair_11: And lilo. |
| 00:32.22 | dvs | bsytko: I don't use nano |
| 00:32.28 | bsytko | dvs: any editor... |
| 00:32.31 | jair_11 | Phated, thank you cool. |
| 00:32.33 | Phated | bsytko: Use the full path. /usr/bin/nano. |
| 00:32.41 | bsytko | phated: ty |
| 00:32.44 | dvs | bsytko: Probably in /usr/bin |
| 00:33.01 | jair_11 | Phated, what I am not sure is about the kernel 2.6 will recognize the centrino wifi. |
| 00:33.10 | followmearound | 2.6 will not |
| 00:33.16 | followmearound | you need either ndiswrapper or ipw2100 |
| 00:33.22 | Phated | bsytko: The reason it doesn't find it is, of course, because PATH was messed up. You probably just added something that you needed to it without including your old stuff. |
| 00:33.27 | jair_11 | followmearound, where and how can I get that? |
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| 00:33.37 | jair_11 | please I need to get that |
| 00:33.38 | Phated | jair_11: <shrugs> Should have checked before starting to install, shouldn't you. |
| 00:33.40 | followmearound | ipw2100.sf.net or ndiswrapper.sf.net |
| 00:33.49 | jeff_ | anyone have any ideas why the woody powerpc installer wouldn't find a HD? |
| 00:33.49 | followmearound | you'll need to be somewhat familair with kernels /building kernle modules |
| 00:33.55 | jair_11 | followmearound, just install those modules? |
| 00:34.04 | Phated | jair_11: Please, for the sake of your health and our sanities, learn to find your own answers as well. |
| 00:34.19 | followmearound | ipw2100 are the semi-legit intel sponsored ones, ndiswrapper is a binary wrapper around the windows driver ... I've been really happy with the ipw drivers |
| 00:34.23 | followmearound | pick one of them |
| 00:35.11 | Phated | ipw. Less complicated than ndiswrapper and arguably more Free. |
| 00:35.27 | followmearound | and significantly better at playing nice with linux |
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| 00:35.50 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 00:36.00 | asuffield | it's either free or it's not; there is no "more" :P |
| 00:36.02 | Phated | Well, if you use them and say so, anyway. |
| 00:36.08 | Phated | asuffield: Freeer! |
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| 00:36.32 | Phated | asuffield: He said semi-legit. Can't be completely free, or it would be in the kernel, wouldn't it? :) |
| 00:36.35 | Babbage | night all |
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| 00:37.03 | followmearound | they still load a binary firmware, and intel isn't entirely willing to claim ownership of the drivers |
| 00:37.21 | jair_11 | Phated, ok I am sorry again |
| 00:37.44 | Phated | Oh, stop saying sorry and go google on stuff or something. Sheesh. |
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| 00:39.05 | jair_11 | followmearound, but I will need to compile a lot of stuff because I am kind of newbie doing that, any good site on the internet that shows me that how to? |
| 00:39.21 | jair_11 | using the ipw or the ndiswrapper? |
| 00:39.47 | Phated | jair_11: google for a term, such as "ipw driver howto". Search engines are your friend. |
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| 00:40.14 | einsteinmg | hi all :) |
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| 00:40.35 | Babbage | Hi, I've just found that "apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to install a whole load of new stuff I have no use for. How do I discover which existing package now requires those new ones? |
| 00:40.35 | followmearound | jair_11: you will need to compile the driver, which means either having installed the correct kernel headers for your distro, or having compiled your kernel by hand |
| 00:40.36 | jair_11 | phated cool |
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| 00:40.48 | nichos | Hi all, i see by typing mailq i have pending messages, how can i kill them? Im using exim |
| 00:40.57 | arango | do the kernel-source packages have the debian patches ? |
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| 00:41.53 | jair_11 | I think will be good to install the boot loader on the master boot sector right? |
| 00:42.00 | jair_11 | MBR |
| 00:42.05 | Phated | Yes. |
| 00:42.09 | jair_11 | cool |
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| 00:43.36 | arango | Is there any difference between the kernel-source packages and the kernel.org sources ? |
| 00:43.38 | Babbage | I've just found that "apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to install a whole load of new stuff I have no use for. How do I discover which existing package now requires those new ones? |
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| 00:43.58 | einsteinmg | how will <packagename>.diff.gz be created within the buildprozess? |
| 00:44.13 | einsteinmg | what's wrong if i wont get the file? |
| 00:44.46 | arango | Is there any difference between the kernel-source packages and the kernel.org sources ? |
| 00:45.47 | Phated | arango: Debian patches, for whatever reasons. |
| 00:47.28 | arango | Phated: are the debian kernel-image packages built from kernel-source packages ? |
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| 00:48.23 | Phated | arango: I believe so. Not entirely sure. |
| 00:48.36 | nichos | Hi all, i see by typing mailq i have pending messages, how can i kill them? Im using exim |
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| 00:48.48 | Stevie-O | hello |
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| 00:50.56 | ^c | arango: yes |
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| 00:50.59 | spiekey | hello! |
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| 00:51.14 | spiekey | is there a sshd option for the timeout if you enter a wrong password? |
| 00:51.33 | einsteinmg | oh :(, sorry typo, whats goind wrong with a package, that don't produce a diff.gz? |
| 00:51.44 | Phated | Try looking in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, spiekey. |
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| 00:52.21 | Stevie-O | i'm trying to recompile grep |
| 00:52.27 | spiekey | Phated: i did, but couldnt find anything |
| 00:52.55 | Phated | spiekey: man sshd? |
| 00:52.58 | Stevie-O | i did apt-get source grep |
| 00:53.09 | Phated | Stevie-O: Why? |
| 00:53.17 | Stevie-O | because it has a bug and I want to fix it. |
| 00:53.25 | Phated | spiekey: Or man sshd_config. |
| 00:53.41 | Phated | Stevie-O: The source will be in your current working directory. |
| 00:53.49 | Phated | Stevie-O: Well, current at the time of apt-get source. |
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| 00:53.58 | Stevie-O | Phated: that's not my problem |
| 00:54.04 | BucWheat | it takes FOREVER to build a debian kernel |
| 00:54.05 | stone_ | newbe question : how do i remove all unecessey programs from debian, is there a list of programs that i never use. when my computer starts it run apache even if i dont need it |
| 00:54.06 | Phated | Ah well, I was hoping it was. |
| 00:54.14 | Stevie-O | my problem is that instead of being the source there |
| 00:54.16 | BucWheat | gees this thing has been going for 1.5 hours now |
| 00:54.19 | Stevie-O | it's in another .tar.gz |
| 00:54.22 | Phated | stone_: But you installed apache. |
| 00:54.51 | jair_11 | Phated, I am on the apt installation but it is asking about a none-free software availability? I mean that If I want to have those none-free software available? |
| 00:55.00 | Phated | stone_: Anyway, you can try debfoster. The first time it runs, it will go through all the packages on your system. |
| 00:55.03 | Phated | jair_11: Yes, you do. |
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| 00:55.28 | Phated | Stevie-O: Er, what? |
| 00:55.32 | jair_11 | and regarding the apt- configuration I installed the r2 sarge I want the ftp stable right? |
| 00:55.48 | jair_11 | I am configuring the ftp from where I will get the packages. |
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| 00:55.54 | jair_11 | I can change that later too right |
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| 00:55.58 | Phated | jair_11: I hardly see why that matters, if you haven't got your NIC up and running. |
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| 00:56.08 | jair_11 | Phated, right |
| 00:56.14 | arke | Hello, Can you manage debian with webmin? I didn't find anything about this in the docs |
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| 00:56.20 | jair_11 | Phated, ok but it is almost |
| 00:56.20 | Stevie-O | ~/grep-2.5.1-ds1/grep_2.5.1.tar.gz |
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| 00:56.33 | jcurry | where could i put export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=whatever, so it is executed before X starts? |
| 00:56.33 | jair_11 | remmenber I wanted to install X and kde on it |
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| 00:56.56 | Phated | jair_11: So... Finish your configuration, skip dselect and tasksel, go read the APT HOWTO (/msg dpkg apt howto). |
| 00:57.05 | Phated | jair_11: Oh, and then get your NIC running. |
| 00:57.13 | soundmaster80 | hello all, everytime i try to open mozilla firefox i get "GLib-ERROR **: The thread system is not yet initialized.".....could anyone help me with this ?? |
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| 00:57.20 | Phated | jcurry: .xinit or .xsession. |
| 00:57.29 | Phated | jcurry: You use startx, right...? |
| 00:57.37 | pingouin | cd /home/lamatriste/News/Pan/ |
| 00:57.49 | Phated | Nice username. |
| 00:57.54 | pingouin | ww |
| 00:58.01 | Phated | ww? |
| 00:58.06 | spiekey | Phated: i dont think you can change it ;/ |
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| 00:58.14 | pingouin | wrong window |
| 00:58.20 | Phated | spiekey: Oh. Well, that sucks. :) |
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| 00:58.23 | Phated | Ah. |
| 00:58.32 | jair_11 | Phated, actually I select the stable one from wisconsing which is very close to Chicago |
| 00:58.35 | soundmaster80 | hello all, everytime i try to open mozilla firefox i get "GLib-ERROR **: The thread system is not yet initialized.".....could anyone help me with this ?? |
| 00:58.41 | spiekey | Phated; it would make brute forcing so much more difficult ;) |
| 00:58.46 | Jevus | hello |
| 00:58.49 | Jevus | i have a problem |
| 00:58.56 | Jevus | with my sound card |
| 00:59.00 | jcurry | Phated, i think so... |
| 00:59.01 | jair_11 | Phated, and it shows me that is configured and can install 8673 packages |
| 00:59.02 | Phated | spiekey: Oh, true. |
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| 00:59.05 | Jevus | it sound loud and bad... with nouses |
| 00:59.07 | Jevus | slow |
| 00:59.10 | Phated | jcurry: How are you starting X? |
| 00:59.13 | Jevus | in windows sounds good |
| 00:59.17 | Phated | jair_11: Wait a minute. |
| 00:59.18 | Jevus | is an als4000 |
| 00:59.22 | Jevus | working with alsa |
| 00:59.28 | Phated | jair_11: In which case your NIC is up already, unless you had a wired link. |
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| 00:59.38 | jcurry | Phated, it starts by itself... |
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| 00:59.58 | Jevus | no ideas??? |
| 01:00.02 | Phated | jcurry: Then you have a display manager. Put it in .xsession. |
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| 01:00.08 | soundmaster80 | well, ok guess no one knows....thank you for you time anyways :) |
| 01:00.21 | jair_11 | Phated, right I am wired link also |
| 01:00.22 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 01:00.25 | jcurry | Phated, you see, i just upgraded to X.org |
| 01:00.38 | Phated | jcurry: Oh, screw that. I don't know what x.org uses. |
| 01:00.41 | jcurry | Phated, and i linked /usr/X11R6 to X11R6.8 |
| 01:01.08 | jcurry | Phated, but it still uses the same process...i just replaced the /usr/X11R6 dir |
| 01:01.09 | Phated | See above. I am unable at this time to support or provide assistance for x.org on Debian. |
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| 01:01.29 | Phated | jcurry: -But-, if you're sure it's all the same, away to edit .xsession you go. |
| 01:01.39 | jcurry | Phated, k, thanks! |
| 01:01.48 | Phated | Have a nice day. |
| 01:01.53 | jair_11 | Phated, but I think that it did not support the centrino pci that come with the lapt top |
| 01:02.09 | jair_11 | Phated, so I will need to compile or google about it hahaha :) |
| 01:02.32 | Phated | jair_11: I'm so glad you like the idea of actually doing things on your own. |
| 01:02.33 | jair_11 | Phated, it is ok you guys rocks you were helping me so much I really appreciate that |
| 01:02.41 | jair_11 | Phated, cool. |
| 01:02.47 | Phated | shingouz: Do better than that, jump in and help. |
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| 01:03.04 | Phated | Besides, I ignore all DCCs. :) |
| 01:03.10 | shingouz | :) |
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| 01:03.27 | shingouz | i am actually rtfm'ing here believe it or not |
| 01:03.29 | onkko | hello |
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| 01:03.36 | Phated | shingouz: On what? |
| 01:03.41 | jcurry | Phated, wait, i have a nice username? |
| 01:03.43 | Phated | Rather, which FM? |
| 01:03.46 | Phated | jcurry: What? |
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| 01:03.54 | Phated | No, whoever it was who did the cd command in here did. |
| 01:04.01 | Phated | lamatriste or something. Classy. |
| 01:04.08 | shingouz | the bose sound system, alsa and an ibm aptiva with the media console. such a pain to get to work |
| 01:04.14 | jcurry | Phated, '<Phated> Nice username.' |
| 01:04.31 | jair_11 | Phated, it is recommended get more than one source from the http or ftp for the packages? |
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| 01:04.33 | Phated | jcurry: Did you see "jcurry: " right before "Nice"? No, I didn't think so. |
| 01:04.35 | daaku | i'm setting up a fresh system.. i've been using sendmail (from postfix) as the specified mda in fetchmailrc, would it be better to use procmail here? |
| 01:04.35 | jair_11 | Phated, right |
| 01:04.40 | Phated | jair_11: Go on and get another. |
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| 01:05.00 | jcurry | Phated, lol...i didn't see any nick before that...so who has a nice username? |
| 01:05.05 | humbolto | I had an apt-get install running via ssh and ssh freezed. now I have a number of locks on dpkg system. what to do? |
| 01:05.07 | daaku | i understand postfix (atleast my config) ends up sending it to procmail anyways.. which is why i'm asking.. |
| 01:05.10 | Phated | jair_11: Two to three is fine. One is OK. Too many and it'll take forever to apt-get update. |
| 01:05.34 | Phated | jcurry: pingouin, I think. As I said, "whoever did the cd command in here". |
| 01:06.01 | jcurry | Phated, pk, cool, just checking....i think 'jcurry' is pretty cool anyhow :P |
| 01:06.18 | Phated | Not cooler than lamatriste or Phated. |
| 01:06.42 | jcurry | Phated, beauty (or coolness) is in the eye of the beholder :) |
| 01:06.58 | asuffield | 'phated' just has 'teenager' written all over it |
| 01:07.01 | jair_11 | nice |
| 01:07.08 | Phated | asuffield: I'm truthful about my age. |
| 01:07.09 | jcurry | Phated, anyway, i'm off, i gotta restart X...thanks again! |
| 01:07.14 | Phated | jcurry: Have fun. |
| 01:07.21 | jair_11 | eitehr later I can uninstall them or something else right |
| 01:07.36 | Phated | jair_11: Uninstall -what-, precisely? |
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| 01:12.33 | jair_11 | Phated, I mean add or remove some apt- sources |
| 01:12.39 | Phated | jair_11: Oh yeah. |
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| 01:14.34 | Phated | Yeah, it -finally- gets quiet and then you come in. :) |
| 01:14.49 | nvz | my internet was down most of the morning and afternoon.. I think it came back on-line around like 3:30pm |
| 01:14.55 | Phated | How come? |
| 01:15.02 | nvz | who knows |
| 01:15.10 | nvz | ISPs suck |
| 01:15.15 | chealer | amen |
| 01:15.22 | Stevie-O | nvz: do you know much about building source packages? |
| 01:15.27 | Phated | Hah. Happened to me once. Called them and they claimed it was scheduled maintanance. Bastards. |
| 01:15.41 | Phated | nvz: Remember, never be shy about calling your ISP. :) |
| 01:15.41 | nvz | whats this. the ask nvz random questions show? |
| 01:15.57 | Phated | nvz: No, but Stevie-O's trying to recompile grep. |
| 01:16.05 | nvz | Phated: I called, the voice recording said the service was disrupted in my area code |
| 01:16.11 | nvz | haha |
| 01:16.14 | nvz | fuck that |
| 01:16.14 | Phated | Why, the bastards. |
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| 01:16.40 | Phated | Actually, I always wait till the "to speak to technical support, press 0" tone. :) |
| 01:17.03 | nvz | I made a sound file once that played the DTMF tones properly |
| 01:17.12 | nvz | you could just hit play and walk away |
| 01:17.18 | Phated | I don't want to be told service is out in my area, I want to be told it's out and then be able to ask them why and then ask them why they didn't tell us. |
| 01:17.23 | nvz | dialed the number, and everything |
| 01:17.29 | Phated | Sweet. |
| 01:18.06 | Jeyrad | kk the sarge dl finished,now burning with nero :) |
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| 01:18.25 | EfaistOs | does someone have an ipod shuffle that works under linux ? |
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| 01:18.29 | Phated | Yeah, nvz will take over Debian support now. I'm off duty. |
| 01:18.45 | nvz | heh, not until this kids mother shows up |
| 01:18.50 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 01:18.53 | nvz | she's watching Ice Age right now |
| 01:19.00 | Phated | Good show. |
| 01:19.08 | chealer | rrr, I'm 4 km away from my ISP, getting under 700 kb/s instead of advertised 3 Mb/s |
| 01:19.16 | Phated | Hah. |
| 01:19.44 | Phated | Man, your download reads in bits instead of bytes? |
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| 01:20.59 | nvz | looks like greycat is off at the IRCA meeting already tonight.. I wont be seeing him today |
| 01:21.05 | Phated | IRCA? |
| 01:21.10 | fubared | how can I remove -dev packages which I installed with apt-get build=dep? |
| 01:21.13 | Phated | IRC Activits? :) |
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| 01:21.20 | Phated | Er, Activists? :) |
| 01:21.25 | nvz | Phated: well you made it up, I just dont remember what you said |
| 01:21.28 | liam | Hello, make-kpkg can't find a file called 'conf.vars', anyone know why this keeps happening? |
| 01:21.31 | fubared | apt-get build-dep, even. |
| 01:21.39 | Phated | nvz: What's IRCA? |
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| 01:21.48 | jair_11 | Phated, I am done with the configuration and I leave the email configuration for later. |
| 01:22.03 | jariep1_ | where can I have a list of Debian repositories? |
| 01:22.05 | nvz | greycats support group.. *shrug* |
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| 01:22.17 | nvz | you said he's in a 12 step program |
| 01:22.22 | Phated | jair_11: Yeah, screw that. I usually can't be bothered to configure my email. I went to postfix after a while. |
| 01:22.35 | Phated | nvz: Damn, man, I said he was in DEBIAN, not IRCA. |
| 01:22.35 | jair_11 | Phated, I want to install kde and x windows to see the graphic stuff? I should run: apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm |
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| 01:22.42 | liam | I even tried copying an old one from another dir, but it deleted it. :o |
| 01:23.00 | jariep1_ | can somebody tell me where I can find a list of Debian repositories? |
| 01:23.06 | jair_11 | Phated, actually I am trying to configure postfix on a server at home |
| 01:23.10 | mrwill | jariep1_: on the debian website. |
| 01:23.16 | Phated | jair_11: That should do it. BEfore you do... You -do- know all your hardware, no? Video card, monitor syncs, and so on? |
| 01:23.29 | Phated | jair_11: And... choose advanced for monitor configuration. Less pain. |
| 01:23.38 | jair_11 | Phated, hmmm it is on the IBM web site maybe |
| 01:23.43 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:23.46 | Rawplayer | how can i solve this? Can't allocate tap device tap0? |
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| 01:23.48 | Rawplayer | with vtund |
| 01:23.54 | Phated | jair_11: Find out. You should have a manual... :/ |
| 01:23.58 | jair_11 | Phated, I will have the specs of my laptop on the other screen |
| 01:24.01 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:24.03 | jair_11 | cool |
| 01:24.06 | Phated | Fair enough. |
| 01:24.12 | mrwill | Rawplayer: need to put vtun module in kernel first? |
| 01:24.21 | jair_11 | Phated, then I can run the command I showed you? |
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| 01:24.25 | Rawplayer | mrwill: i have already |
| 01:24.34 | mrwill | Rawplayer: sorry, it's been a while since I have done this. |
| 01:24.38 | Rawplayer | the devices are also in /dev/ |
| 01:24.41 | mrwill | Rawplayer: are you on woody? |
| 01:24.43 | Phated | jair_11: Yes, then you can. |
| 01:24.44 | Rawplayer | i upgraded my kernel |
| 01:24.45 | jair_11 | apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm but before run apt-get update? |
| 01:24.50 | Rawplayer | nope sarge |
| 01:25.03 | Phated | jair_11: No, your system has been apt-get updated already, when you configured your apt sources. |
| 01:25.35 | jariep1_ | rwill, I'm looking in the search engine at debian.org, but I can't find the page. Somebody gave me the url before, but I misplaced it. |
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| 01:27.20 | jharrison | must comment code |
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| 01:29.15 | Phated | Yes, you must. |
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| 01:29.33 | toubsu | what is the interface name for a wireless card? |
| 01:29.33 | jair_11 | Phated, cool |
| 01:29.46 | jair_11 | I found the parts info hardware info |
| 01:29.49 | Phated | toubsu: wlan0? eth0? |
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| 01:30.15 | jharrison | Phated: ok done |
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| 01:30.25 | jharrison | Phated: didnt have to comment much :-P |
| 01:30.29 | Phated | jharrison: Heh. What's up, man? |
| 01:30.39 | jharrison | Phated: nothing much |
| 01:30.42 | jharrison | Phated: how are you |
| 01:30.44 | jharrison | ? |
| 01:30.56 | Phated | jharrison: I'm OK. |
| 01:31.05 | jharrison | I feel like a traitor |
| 01:31.13 | Phated | How come? |
| 01:31.45 | liam | hehe, forget my stupidity, that'll teach me for not reading bug reports ;) |
| 01:32.02 | jair_11 | Phated, I shuld do this: #root apt-get install x-window-system or #root apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm? |
| 01:32.05 | jharrison | I just wrote a script that generates ifcfg-eth0:0, ifcfg-eth0:1 etc... with network configs in each file and all that for REDHAT |
| 01:32.15 | Jeyrad | im liking sarges installation :) |
| 01:32.18 | Rawplayer | good Jeyrad |
| 01:32.21 | Rawplayer | jharrison i mean |
| 01:32.24 | Rawplayer | sorry Jeyrad |
| 01:32.25 | jharrison | I dont have pleasant feelings toward redhat |
| 01:32.44 | Phated | jair_11: Ig you want KDE, do the latter. |
| 01:32.44 | jharrison | I guess so I feel better I should do one for debian systems that I can use |
| 01:32.53 | Phated | jharrison: Good god. |
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| 01:33.01 | jharrison | Phated: what |
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| 01:33.08 | Phated | jharrison: For REDHAT? |
| 01:33.12 | jharrison | Phated: :( |
| 01:33.18 | jharrison | Phated: we use it at work a little |
| 01:33.32 | jharrison | Phated: but im slowing changing that to debian :) |
| 01:33.42 | Phated | Ah well. |
| 01:34.01 | jharrison | but yes this script is for redhat systems |
| 01:34.10 | jharrison | it wont be hard to change it for debian though |
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| 01:34.26 | jharrison | just got to modify it so it will do to /etc/network/interfaces instead |
| 01:35.15 | Phated | Yeah, true. |
| 01:35.26 | jharrison | I need to add more error handling too |
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| 01:35.35 | jharrison | refine it a bit |
| 01:35.39 | jharrison | but it works |
| 01:35.45 | jharrison | thats the main thing |
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| 01:36.05 | jharrison | postfix with tls is sweet |
| 01:36.30 | jharrison | oh and pop3 with tls is sweet too |
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| 01:37.25 | ali7288 | hey when trying to add a network windows printer a warning is displayed in console: |
| 01:37.25 | ali7288 | ** (gnome-cups-add:4284): WARNING **: no smb browsing support |
| 01:37.32 | ali7288 | can anyone help? |
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| 01:37.45 | jharrison | ali7288: it relates to windows |
| 01:37.53 | jharrison | ali7288: I dont see how I can possibly help |
| 01:37.54 | ali7288 | hmm |
| 01:38.01 | ali7288 | ok |
| 01:38.06 | ali7288 | so it's not a linux problem |
| 01:38.09 | jharrison | ali7288: if it was to a linux machine I would consider it |
| 01:38.13 | YankDownUnder | Innit more a samba question or a cups question? |
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| 01:38.15 | ali7288 | it's ok |
| 01:38.16 | ali7288 | thanks:-) |
| 01:38.20 | jharrison | ali7288: but you had to throw the word windows in there |
| 01:38.24 | ali7288 | hahahaha |
| 01:38.30 | ali7288 | i don't like windows but hey i got to live with it |
| 01:38.34 | ali7288 | i am running debian |
| 01:38.39 | ali7288 | the computer with the printer is a windows box |
| 01:38.40 | ali7288 | :-( |
| 01:38.49 | jharrison | ali7288: is the print shared out from the windows system? |
| 01:38.52 | ali7288 | yes |
| 01:38.59 | YankDownUnder | Take it off the winders box and plug it in local to the deb box....eh? |
| 01:39.02 | jharrison | ali7288: does cups have a driver for your printer? |
| 01:39.04 | dmonchild | debian is brutal |
| 01:39.10 | dmonchild | i cant get dpkg to work |
| 01:39.11 | ali7288 | i think so |
| 01:39.12 | dmonchild | :)) |
| 01:39.20 | jharrison | ali7288: did you install the gimp-print drivers |
| 01:39.25 | fang11 | so i installed a desktop but every time it tries to run it says something like a problem with xfree86 any one know how i can get it to work? |
| 01:39.26 | jharrison | ali7288: those work pretty well |
| 01:39.27 | ali7288 | no i idnd't |
| 01:39.29 | jharrison | ali7288: what printer is it |
| 01:39.29 | jharrison | ? |
| 01:39.30 | ali7288 | alright |
| 01:39.46 | ali7288 | epson |
| 01:39.48 | ali7288 | black and white |
| 01:39.53 | ali7288 | i can't remember but i can go see |
| 01:39.54 | jharrison | ali7288: model? |
| 01:39.58 | jharrison | ali7288: yes go see |
| 01:39.58 | ali7288 | hold on |
| 01:40.26 | ali7288 | action laser 1500 |
| 01:40.42 | dmonchild | anyone know anything about using dpkg to find and install a .deb package IM me |
| 01:40.47 | dmonchild | im a little lost. |
| 01:40.52 | liam | bugger, didn't work. |
| 01:41.10 | jharrison | ali7288: hold on |
| 01:41.19 | ali7288 | ok |
| 01:42.09 | jharrison | mmmm nothing like a bit of cognac on a cold night |
| 01:42.25 | ali7288 | haha |
| 01:42.26 | jharrison | ali7288: we better work fast |
| 01:42.33 | YankDownUnder | Cognac would be right about now (hot midday) |
| 01:42.35 | jharrison | ali7288: try installing this package |
| 01:42.43 | jharrison | ali7288: cupsys-driver-gimpprint |
| 01:42.54 | ali7288 | ok |
| 01:43.09 | jharrison | ali7288: and this cupsys-bsd |
| 01:43.15 | ali7288 | hmm ok |
| 01:43.20 | ali7288 | why bsd tho? |
| 01:43.25 | jharrison | ali7288: if you get asked if you want to use bsd style something or other say yes |
| 01:43.30 | ali7288 | ok |
| 01:43.42 | jharrison | ali7288: I dont know something about postscript compat or something |
| 01:43.59 | ali7288 | ok it's set up |
| 01:44.20 | jharrison | ok now go to your cups admin page and set up your printer with the gimp driver for it |
| 01:44.58 | ali7288 | gnome-cups-manager? |
| 01:45.02 | jharrison | ali7288: remember to set it up the way the examples show for a windows printer such as smb:/user:pass/share |
| 01:45.05 | jharrison | or something |
| 01:45.12 | jharrison | ali7288: there should be a webpage |
| 01:45.20 | jharrison | ali7288: locahost:663 |
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| 01:45.26 | jharrison | 663? |
| 01:45.31 | jharrison | ali7288: netstat -lnp |
| 01:45.38 | jharrison | ali7288: I think the port is 663 |
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| 01:46.04 | fang11 | so i installed a desktop but every time it tries to run it says something like a problem with xfree86 any one know how i can get it to work? |
| 01:46.15 | ali7288 | doesn't look like i have one |
| 01:46.17 | vulture | fang11: read the lgos |
| 01:46.18 | jharrison | fang11: dont you have more then that? |
| 01:46.20 | vulture | s/gos/ogs/ |
| 01:46.37 | YankDownUnder | fang11: What you COULD do is fire up a Knoppix CD, then copy the X configs over to the HD..... |
| 01:46.45 | jharrison | ali7288: /j #bslug |
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| 01:47.11 | fang11 | so there is no difference between hd-install knoppix and debian |
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| 01:47.24 | jharrison | fang11: knoppix is not debian |
| 01:47.27 | jharrison | !knoppix |
| 01:47.28 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 01:47.38 | YankDownUnder | fang11: I didn't say to do the HD install for Knoppix - just copy over the /etc/X11 configuration files that you require.... |
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| 01:47.57 | ali7288 | man im confused... |
| 01:48.10 | jharrison | ali7288: join #bslug |
| 01:48.14 | sussudio | !confuse ali7288 |
| 01:48.14 | dpkg | No, how are your weasel today, ali7288? wellies of the republic of tibet with extra herring |
| 01:48.16 | ali7288 | ok |
| 01:48.17 | ali7288 | lol |
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| 01:48.59 | pb|Jac | Hi, can someone help me? I'm having trouble installing an RPM |
| 01:49.03 | fang11 | so what exactly am i looking to copy |
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| 01:49.23 | fang11 | the whole directory |
| 01:49.27 | minimec | fang: Have a look at the at the error output of XFree86.0.log. You find that file in /var/log Maybe we can help you then. |
| 01:49.28 | dmonchild | anyone know why godforsaken dpkg wont bloody woork |
| 01:49.32 | dmonchild | whats the update command |
| 01:49.42 | malte | hi, i have a rather disturbing problem: whenever i use apt-get it tells me to run "apt-get -f install", and when i do it tries to remove libdb1-compat but fails |
| 01:49.47 | jharrison | fang11: probably /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 01:49.59 | jannol | Please help, I accidently removed man run file ? |
| 01:50.24 | malte | with the error message: "cannot remove `/.': Invalid argument" |
| 01:50.38 | Jac | Hi, can someone help me? I'm having trouble installing an RPM.. I keep getting the message: "cannot open packages index using db3 - no such file or directory" |
| 01:50.38 | maynanian | hi... i am sick of using at windows 98, but i have no other choose!! please someone help me!!!!!!!! i am trying to use debian... but it said hdc: lost interrupt (hdc-my hard drive) and it's freeze.. i can move with the f1 f2 f3 between the terminals, but i can't do nothing, i have the same thing at windows xp, at windows xp it's just freeze, and i can't move the cursor, the same on x-windows..... |
| 01:50.42 | fang11 | i have XF86Config |
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| 01:50.51 | jharrison | ali7288: what happened? |
| 01:50.52 | ali7288 | sorry jharrison |
| 01:50.55 | ali7288 | got kicked |
| 01:50.57 | stone_ | which of these dir in j2SE contains right pluhin for firefox : ns4 ns610 ns610-32 |
| 01:51.00 | ali7288 | cuz it has enters afte each line |
| 01:51.05 | jharrison | ali7288: when you tried to paste? |
| 01:51.07 | ali7288 | yes |
| 01:51.16 | ali7288 | so it thought i was flooding |
| 01:51.26 | jharrison | ali7288: ok well lets try something else |
| 01:51.30 | ali7288 | ok |
| 01:51.30 | maynanian | i have another problem !!!! i need to configure my adsl usb modem (rotal ale-130) and i am not sure how to do it,,, it's my first time with adsl usb modem, at linux.. someone ? thanks, (btw - i have got the netinst cd) |
| 01:51.30 | jharrison | ali7288: dont paste in here though |
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| 01:51.33 | YankDownUnder | ns610-32 |
| 01:51.34 | ali7288 | ok |
| 01:51.35 | jharrison | ali7288: go to #bslug |
| 01:51.51 | jair_11 | I already configure the X window |
| 01:52.06 | jair_11 | now I suppouse to apt-get install the window manager I want? |
| 01:52.27 | minimec | fang try this: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 HTen restart your X-server |
| 01:52.27 | jair_11 | for example one that can run with 256 memory ram on a lapt top? |
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| 01:52.50 | jair_11 | I am fresh installing debian sarge |
| 01:53.11 | YankDownUnder | jair_11: XFce4.2 |
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| 01:53.25 | jair_11 | guys someone can give me a suggestion about what I shuld do now after configure X window for first time? |
| 01:53.34 | Phated | jair_11: How about starting it? |
| 01:53.41 | jair_11 | I do not have any window manager installed I think? |
| 01:53.45 | Phated | And KDE runs fine with 256. |
| 01:53.47 | jair_11 | hmmm |
| 01:53.56 | jair_11 | Phated, I need to type X |
| 01:54.00 | Phated | WTF did you install KDE for if you didn't think you would get a wm with it? |
| 01:54.01 | jair_11 | and it shuld start? |
| 01:54.04 | maynanian | jair_11: startx |
| 01:54.14 | Phated | jair_11: No, you don't. You can do this as root. /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 01:54.16 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:54.18 | Jac | anyone available to help me? :/ |
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| 01:54.20 | Jeyrad | or xinit |
| 01:54.24 | jair_11 | ohhh ok |
| 01:54.29 | stone_ | in firefox plugin dir i type ln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so , but it still chrashes on java pages. what am i doing worng |
| 01:54.30 | jair_11 | Phated, I will do that |
| 01:54.34 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:54.54 | Phated | jair_11: And then you get KDM started. Or you could just go lazy and reboot and if all is configured right, kdm will start at boot, presenting you with a graphical login. |
| 01:55.18 | YankDownUnder | stone_: What you might try doing is renaming the .mozilla dir (after, of course, you close Firefox) and then firing it up again.... |
| 01:55.24 | Jac | anyone? i'm having a bit of install trouble with the RPM database |
| 01:55.26 | jair_11 | Phated, it did not boot on graphical :( |
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| 01:55.42 | scarynetworkguy | jair_11: What errors did it throw? |
| 01:55.44 | dmonchild | why does dpkg give a "error exit status 2" message? |
| 01:55.44 | mrwill | how can I find out what drivers are compiled into my kernel? |
| 01:55.46 | Phated | jair_11: And why not? Give us proper error messages. |
| 01:55.57 | minimec | jair_11: What does the error output say? |
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| 01:56.18 | Jac | I keep getting the message: "cannot open packages index using db3 - no such file or directory" |
| 01:56.27 | dmonchild | mini u talkin to me? |
| 01:56.28 | jair_11 | ok I will check |
| 01:56.35 | jethro | 14:19:54 ricky_clarkso | jethro, make it so that it has a <url></url> type then. <<-- done |
| 01:56.36 | jair_11 | exacly this lines: |
| 01:56.38 | maynanian | someone can help me please..... my computer freezing..... lost interrupt, that's the error i get, when it is freezing randomly, and do you know how can i configure adsl modem ? |
| 01:56.50 | stone_ | so i just rename /usr/lib/mozilla into mozilla-backup |
| 01:56.55 | jair_11 | 1- starting x font server : xfs |
| 01:56.56 | mrwill | maynanian: sounds like a hardware problem, causing the freezing. |
| 01:57.03 | maynanian | ( iam now using windows 98 it's working without freezing..) |
| 01:57.19 | dmonchild | any of you using xebian on xbox? |
| 01:57.19 | jair_11 | 1- starting deferred execution scheduler: cron |
| 01:57.20 | YankDownUnder | stone_: No mate. Look. In your ~/ dir, there is a dir named .mozilla => rename THAT....eh? |
| 01:57.22 | maynanian | mrwill: can be, i thought about it, but the funny that windows 98 works non-stop with no any freeze |
| 01:57.24 | stone_ | finaly payed the gas bill |
| 01:57.32 | Phated | jair_11: FOR FUCK'S SAKE, THE ERROR. |
| 01:57.35 | maynanian | mrwill: windows xp does freeze.. |
| 01:57.42 | fang11 | i'm missing xsetup is that bad |
| 01:57.42 | Phated | Sheesh. |
| 01:57.44 | dmonchild | xp is solid. |
| 01:57.45 | jair_11 | Phated, not errors I think |
| 01:57.48 | mrwill | maynanian: could be a bad memory chip, one os might not access it, the other might. |
| 01:57.49 | dmonchild | as long as you get sp2. |
| 01:57.50 | minimec | jair_11: the last lines are important :-) |
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| 01:57.55 | Phated | jair_11: -obviously- not. |
| 01:57.55 | jair_11 | Phated, it just did not start X |
| 01:57.57 | Jac | I keep getting the message: "cannot open packages index using db3 - no such file or directory" while trying to install an RPM, can someone help me fix this? I'm a noob |
| 01:58.00 | YankDownUnder | XP is solid until you turn the machine on. |
| 01:58.02 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:58.05 | dmonchild | jac |
| 01:58.07 | dmonchild | i get that also |
| 01:58.09 | jair_11 | I will give you the last lines |
| 01:58.10 | Phated | jair_11: Oh, ffs. Just... /etc/init.d/kdm start. |
| 01:58.11 | dmonchild | thats my problem |
| 01:58.13 | scarynetworkguy | jair_11: Did you install KDM? The meta package doesn't install it by default. |
| 01:58.18 | Jac | you get it? |
| 01:58.25 | Jac | so you don't know how to fix it then? :/ |
| 01:58.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: He/she did. |
| 01:58.30 | dmonchild | yea the same error |
| 01:58.33 | jair_11 | yes I think the kdm is not installed |
| 01:58.36 | Phated | At least, after showing me that apt-get, he/she better have. |
| 01:58.40 | maher | Jac: are you using debian? |
| 01:58.41 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Coolness. I wasn't paying attention. |
| 01:58.41 | jair_11 | the last two lines are: |
| 01:58.49 | maynanian | mrwill: oh really :) thanks you did helped alot... so if i buy a new memory cards.. there is possible it will work, strangely how windows 98 didn't access it :) thanks.. can i maybe disable one memory card, to check or something? |
| 01:58.53 | Jac | maher: yes i'm using debian |
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| 01:58.57 | Phated | jair_11: Did you, or did you -not-, have the word "kdm" in your apt-get install command? |
| 01:59.00 | dmonchild | im on debian and a get an error while trying to dpkg .deb files |
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| 01:59.05 | maher | Jac: how are you attempting to install the rpm? |
| 01:59.08 | jair_11 | 4-starting periodic command scheduler : cron |
| 01:59.10 | dmonchild | well im on xebian |
| 01:59.17 | mrwill | maynanian: recommend memtest86 to check whether memory is working properly before you replace anything. |
| 01:59.19 | Phated | Jac: Try alien. |
| 01:59.29 | jair_11 | 5-startting X display manager : xdm |
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| 01:59.31 | Jac | i'm using the command rpm -Uh --force <rpmname>.rpm |
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| 01:59.37 | jair_11 | scarynetworkguy, that is all |
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| 01:59.43 | Jeyrad | YES |
| 01:59.45 | Jac | without the <> of course |
| 01:59.47 | jair_11 | Phated, I will do that |
| 01:59.50 | maher | Jac: that won't work - use alien to convert the rpm to a deb |
| 01:59.51 | Jeyrad | GUI Is Working! |
| 01:59.51 | Phated | jair_11: Those. Are. Not. Errors. |
| 01:59.52 | jethro | </#chepers> cmd: jfgi (.*?) (.*?) is ($1,$2): $1 click that -> <URL>http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/search?q=$2</URL> ---> </#chepers> aaaa click that -> http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/search?%71%3d%62%62%62%62%20%61%61%61%61 |
| 01:59.58 | Jac | How do I get alien? |
| 02:00.04 | maynanian | mrwill: it's lin program ? or win ? i have another problem with linux... to configure my usb adsl modem (rotal ale-130) i just don't know how to configure it.. |
| 02:00.08 | scarynetworkguy | Jac: apt-get install alien |
| 02:00.09 | Phated | You apt-get it, normally, Jac. |
| 02:00.18 | stone_ | no it didn t work firefox chrashes |
| 02:00.25 | Jac | thanks :_ |
| 02:00.27 | dmonchild | damn the bash consol to hell |
| 02:00.33 | dmonchild | the thing never works properly :| |
| 02:00.38 | Phated | With that typing, why not. |
| 02:00.45 | dmonchild | :)) |
| 02:00.51 | mrwill | maynanian: memtest86 is its own little os, you can boot from cd just to run that program. I can't help you with the modem, though. |
| 02:00.51 | YankDownUnder | stone_: Are you sure the link you created was created properly mate? |
| 02:00.57 | Phated | And it -does- work fine. |
| 02:01.05 | stone_ | yes |
| 02:01.08 | Phated | stone_: You're trying to do Java on Firefox, right? |
| 02:01.11 | jair_11 | Phated, the directory /etc/init.d/kdm start no such file or directory |
| 02:01.19 | Phated | Just guessing, from what you're saying, stone_. |
| 02:01.22 | dmonchild | shit im switching to gentoo. |
| 02:01.25 | scarynetworkguy | jair_11: apt-get install kdm |
| 02:01.27 | stone_ | yes |
| 02:01.28 | jair_11 | ok |
| 02:01.29 | fang11 | bad idea |
| 02:01.30 | dmonchild | xebian officaly blows. |
| 02:01.31 | scarynetworkguy | as rook. |
| 02:01.34 | stone_ | in firefox plugin dir i type ln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so , but it still chrashes on java pages. what am i doing worng |
| 02:01.35 | fang11 | i tried installing gentoo |
| 02:01.36 | dmonchild | OFFICALY |
| 02:01.37 | Phated | jair_11: Then you don't bloody... -have- it installed. Fuck, you HAD THE DAMN THING IN YOUR APT-GET LINE. |
| 02:01.40 | stone_ | mt origial post |
| 02:01.41 | fang11 | it will give you hell |
| 02:01.48 | Phated | stone_: And then firefox doesn't start. Did that to me too. |
| 02:01.50 | dmonchild | xebian is brutal |
| 02:01.53 | jannol | I accidently removed my man command from /usr/bin , how can I fix it ? |
| 02:01.55 | dmonchild | im running it on my xbox |
| 02:01.56 | stone_ | it s starts |
| 02:02.00 | jair_11 | scarynetworkguy, installing kdm |
| 02:02.02 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 02:02.05 | maynanian | mrwill: thanks !!! and i have been downloaded the memtest86 it's 93kb... ? |
| 02:02.06 | Phated | stone_: Actually, at least yours starts. |
| 02:02.10 | stone_ | only when i access pages with java it chrashes |
| 02:02.23 | Jac | I tried the apt-get command and it gave me this: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permission denied) |
| 02:02.24 | scarynetworkguy | jair_11: So you did *not* have it in your apt-get line, eh? |
| 02:02.24 | mrwill | maynanian: yes, memtest86 is not a big program. |
| 02:02.31 | jair_11 | Phated, I don't know why it did not installed by default? |
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| 02:02.41 | Phated | jair_11: I'm giving up on you. As of now. Your apt-get line didn't coincide with what you actually had. |
| 02:02.43 | jair_11 | scarynetworkguy, probably not? |
| 02:02.45 | dmonchild | im on it right now tryin to figure out how to get dpkg to work but i think maybe on xbox there is limits to things you can install.. either that or im just doing something wrong.............. |
| 02:02.47 | Jac | it also gave me: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 02:02.53 | YankDownUnder | stone_: And yer absolutely sure that the link you created was done properly? (Sometimes just a little mistype can be dangerous) |
| 02:02.54 | maynanian | mrwill: ok thanks !!! i will rawrite and check it out, be blessed thanks, you have been helped me alot!!! |
| 02:03.01 | scarynetworkguy | jair_11: I know for a fact and I too am giving up. |
| 02:03.08 | Phated | jair_11: No, you're an idiot. YOU HAD THE LINE "apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm". <-- SEE "kdm" there? |
| 02:03.16 | jair_11 | scarynetworkguy, Phated what do you guys means? |
| 02:03.17 | mrwill | maynanian: you are welcome. good luck! |
| 02:03.21 | stone_ | i copy pasted it from file menager |
| 02:03.24 | maynanian | mrwill: thanks, cya! |
| 02:03.25 | stone_ | i ll try again |
| 02:03.33 | scarynetworkguy | jair_11: What Phated said. |
| 02:03.34 | Phated | Or, at lest, you showed me that line. Don't, please, type a different line than what you tell people you're typing. |
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| 02:03.43 | Servo888 | Anybody know what package provides lisp? |
| 02:03.47 | jair_11 | Phated, when I was trying to run that it was giving me an brake error |
| 02:04.05 | YankDownUnder | stone_: Mate, something to make sure as well is that the bin dir for java is in the path.....(or link to it in the /usr/bin dir) |
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| 02:04.06 | Phated | jair_11: You didn't report that either. Why ever not? |
| 02:04.06 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite jair_11 |
| 02:04.22 | toresbe | !away |
| 02:04.22 | dpkg | We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'. If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. so please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, as there are over 700 people here. If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. in BX, /set auto_away off, /saveirc, or nick changes are just as annoying |
| 02:04.27 | jair_11 | scarynetworkguy, and Phated guys please be patient with a newbie. I will be with the next generation I promess I will not say a bad word. |
| 02:04.30 | sussudio | !fist toresbe |
| 02:04.40 | cthulfuego | I quit smoking 2 months, 4 weeks, 20 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
| 02:04.44 | jair_11 | hmmm |
| 02:04.48 | jair_11 | ok |
| 02:04.51 | toresbe | cthulfuego: kudos :) |
| 02:04.54 | cthulfuego | !lose minimec |
| 02:04.55 | dpkg | minimec: You Lose. |
| 02:04.57 | jono | does anyone have nay idea when Apache 1.3.27 will make it into stable to it can fix the SIGUSR1 vulnerability in 1.3.26? |
| 02:05.05 | mrwill | is there any way to show what drivers are compiled in a running kernel? |
| 02:05.08 | sussudio | !win me |
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| 02:05.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, sussudio! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 02:05.10 | minimec | lose what? |
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| 02:05.27 | cthulfuego | minimec: This channel prefers you don't set away messages. |
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| 02:05.31 | Phated | jair_11: Beyond that, though... It's not what you say, or the language you use. It's the fact that a) you type things differently then what you told people you wre going to type. b) When there was an error, you did not report it. |
| 02:05.39 | jono | mrwill, you can do it in 2.6.x with something in /proc I believe |
| 02:05.45 | Phated | jono: Probably a security update... Soon... |
| 02:05.49 | jair_11 | guys when I was doingthe command: apt-get install X-window-system kde kdm it was giving me the error then I just try the: apt-get install X-window-system by itself and works. |
| 02:06.03 | jono | Phated, this seems to have been reported for quite some time |
| 02:06.06 | stone_ | well java works under mozilla only not firefox |
| 02:06.11 | minimec | cthulfuego: :-) Oh I see. Won't do it again. |
| 02:06.12 | mrwill | jono: ok, I'll poke around /proc, then. |
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| 02:06.20 | jair_11 | Phated, right sorry I may get concentrate on the x questions configuration |
| 02:06.21 | jono | Phated, reported in Oct 2002 in fact |
| 02:06.23 | Phated | jono: Oh, really. I wasn't aware, thought it might be a recent change. |
| 02:06.34 | fang11 | i can't get my desktop working and it sucks |
| 02:06.37 | jono | Phated, http://xforce.iss.net/xforce/xfdb/10280 |
| 02:06.41 | Phated | jono: Report, that is. In that case... Time to email maintainers? :) |
| 02:06.44 | cthulfuego | shit |
| 02:06.48 | jair_11 | but kdm is not kde right? |
| 02:06.53 | YankDownUnder | fang11: Go and get a good wm like xfce |
| 02:07.06 | Phated | NO, IT IS NOT. BUT YOU HAD KDM -AND- KDE IN YOUR APT-GET LINE. |
| 02:07.07 | jharrison | heheh |
| 02:07.17 | jair_11 | right |
| 02:07.20 | Phated | Someone tell greycat he's a bad influence on me. |
| 02:07.22 | jair_11 | but by the way |
| 02:07.27 | scarynetworkguy | jair_11: Or at least you said you did. |
| 02:07.28 | Jac | I tried the apt-get command and it gave me this: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permission denied) |
| 02:07.29 | Jac | it also gave me: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 02:07.43 | jono | Phated, ok thanks |
| 02:07.46 | jharrison | mmmm cognac |
| 02:07.52 | jariep1_ | I'm trying to run apt-setup, but it won't recognize the command. I have apt installed. What other package do I need? |
| 02:07.55 | Phated | Jac: And... -are- you root? |
| 02:07.56 | jair_11 | scarynetworkguy, and Phated when I am trying to do: apt-get install kde it gives me an brake error. |
| 02:08.02 | jharrison | I better go lay down soon |
| 02:08.03 | Phated | I mean, the error is -plain-! |
| 02:08.06 | jethro | Jac: the question is, are you root? |
| 02:08.13 | jair_11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.14 | mentor | !tell jariep1_ about pdo |
| 02:08.15 | scarynetworkguy | jair_11: And you did not tell us. See the problem? |
| 02:08.18 | mentor | !find apt-setup |
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| 02:08.20 | jair_11 | yes |
| 02:08.23 | Phated | jair_11: And... You report this -now-, instead of when the error actually occured, why? |
| 02:08.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-setup' (2 shown): (/usr/sbin/apt-setup, /usr/lib/base-config/menu/{apt-setup|apt-setup.mnu}) in base/base-config ;; (/usr/share/debian-cd/data/woody/apt-setup.html.in, /usr/share/debian-cd/data/potato/apt-setup.html.in) in admin/debian-cd. |
| 02:08.26 | jair_11 | I am telling you right now |
| 02:08.29 | Phated | mentor: base-config. |
| 02:08.38 | Jeyrad | how do i mount my windows hd |
| 02:08.39 | Jeyrad | ? |
| 02:08.46 | mentor | Phated: dpkg was faster. |
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| 02:08.58 | mentor | raspberry. |
| 02:09.01 | Phated | Jeyrad: mount -t vfat /dev/yourwindowshdx /mnt/pnt. |
| 02:09.03 | jharrison | damn flu |
| 02:09.20 | mentor | jariep1_: base-config :) |
| 02:09.28 | Phated | mentor: I know. Ah well. Raspberry right back atcha. |
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| 02:09.51 | jariep1_ | mentor, thanks |
| 02:09.56 | Jac | jethro: I can't remember what my root is :/ |
| 02:10.04 | jethro | !lose Jac |
| 02:10.05 | dpkg | Jac: You Lose. |
| 02:10.07 | Jac | what's the default? |
| 02:10.11 | Jeyrad | it says it cant be found |
| 02:10.12 | jethro | there is no default |
| 02:10.14 | Phated | There is no default, ffs. |
| 02:10.19 | jethro | haha |
| 02:10.20 | Jac | uhg |
| 02:10.24 | Jac | I installed a month ago |
| 02:10.27 | Jac | and I can't remember shit |
| 02:10.35 | stone_ | C:/ is default |
| 02:10.37 | Phated | Jeyrad: NO SHIT. Tell me you didn't just COPY AND PASTE the mount line I gave. |
| 02:10.37 | mentor | Phated: greycat is a bad influence on you, in case you hadn't noticed. |
| 02:10.37 | cthulfuego | lay off the crack, then. |
| 02:10.43 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 02:10.44 | Phated | mentor: Oh? |
| 02:10.49 | cthulfuego | stone_: '\' |
| 02:10.54 | jethro | Jac: reboot, and at the boot prompt, boot with linux s (in lilo) or edit your grub cmdline to append an s |
| 02:10.57 | dondelelcaro | mmmm... crack |
| 02:10.57 | Jeyrad | no jackass |
| 02:10.58 | maher | Phated: do you have blood pressure issues? |
| 02:10.59 | Phated | cthulfuego: Heheh. |
| 02:10.59 | jethro | hmm |
| 02:11.04 | Jeyrad | i changed it to hda1 |
| 02:11.07 | Jeyrad | my windows drive |
| 02:11.08 | Phated | maher: I'm still young for it. |
| 02:11.12 | jethro | Jac: replace s with init=/bin/bash actually :) |
| 02:11.22 | maher | Phated: remember to keep breathing |
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| 02:11.40 | mentor | Futurama - Vending Machine - "Nice, Refreshing Crack!" |
| 02:11.46 | Phated | Jeyrad: Right. In that case... still not found? |
| 02:11.49 | Jac | i'm just going to install a new version of xfree86 all-together, which binary should I get from ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.4.0/binaries/ ? |
| 02:11.54 | Phated | maher: I fail to see the relevance of your input. |
| 02:11.58 | Jeyrad | stillnot found |
| 02:12.02 | scarynetworkguy | maher: You are working under the assumpting that anger is bad. Some of us use it as energy to get through the day. |
| 02:12.06 | jethro | Jac: I think you need root before you can install anything |
| 02:12.08 | zinx | Jac: uh, you shouldn't. |
| 02:12.23 | Phated | Jeyrad: You're -sure- that your windows is on /dev/hda1? |
| 02:12.41 | mentor | Jac: I think that if you can't work that out, you probably shouldn't be installing non-Debian packages... |
| 02:12.43 | Jeyrad | im 99.9% sure |
| 02:12.52 | Phated | Why only that? |
| 02:13.01 | RichiH | what device name do irda devices usually get? |
| 02:13.01 | Jeyrad | sarcasm |
| 02:13.03 | Jeyrad | :P |
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| 02:13.10 | Phated | irda? |
| 02:13.24 | RichiH | Phated: infrared ports |
| 02:13.26 | jair_11 | Phated, I am getting a message regarding the kdm starts X with default of 100dpi |
| 02:13.40 | Phated | jair_11: It. Is. A. MESSAGE. |
| 02:13.46 | maher | Phated: its something you say to people who seem to be over excited |
| 02:13.50 | Phated | RichiH: Thank you. |
| 02:13.51 | mentor | RichiH: Aren't they just ttys? |
| 02:13.51 | chuggaz | hey ppl |
| 02:14.01 | RichiH | mentor: i wouldn't know, i never used one |
| 02:14.02 | Phated | maher: You don't get it. I'm calm as can be. |
| 02:14.04 | jair_11 | if I have a laptop R51 24deepth color I shuld edit that and add the -dpi 100 argument? |
| 02:14.04 | Jac | I just remembered my root :D |
| 02:14.10 | mentor | RichiH: *shrug* |
| 02:14.15 | maher | Phated: ah - my mistake |
| 02:14.19 | mentor | eep. |
| 02:14.26 | mentor | Phated's gonna blow...run! |
| 02:14.27 | Jeyrad | how do i view all mounted devices? |
| 02:14.35 | mentor | Jeyrad: mount ? |
| 02:14.36 | RichiH | Jeyrad: mount |
| 02:14.38 | Phated | Jeyrad: mount. |
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| 02:14.41 | mentor | Jeyrad: mount ? |
| 02:14.41 | Jeyrad | lol |
| 02:14.48 | mentor | sorry, got carried away. |
| 02:14.55 | RichiH | mentor: mount |
| 02:15.00 | ugexe | how do i make a file executable? |
| 02:15.01 | Phated | mentor: I was faster. :) |
| 02:15.08 | Phated | ugexe: man chmod. |
| 02:15.08 | RichiH | ugexe: chmod +x file |
| 02:15.13 | mentor | mount: Phated |
| 02:15.16 | nvz | heh |
| 02:15.21 | RichiH | Phated: you were not |
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| 02:15.29 | jethro | finger mentor |
| 02:15.38 | mentor | erm, that's not what I meant. |
| 02:15.38 | Phated | RichiH: In which case, he's lagging. :) |
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| 02:15.43 | RichiH | Phated: you need to learn about latencies and the way irc works ;) |
| 02:15.46 | nvz | damn I actually didnt even see that when I said heh, so heh x2 |
| 02:15.57 | Jac | Ok I just tried installing alien and it said E: Package alien has no installation candidate. |
| 02:15.58 | Phated | Hehheh? |
| 02:16.05 | nvz | something like that |
| 02:16.06 | RichiH | Phated: your client displays what you say immediately. it does not wait til it gets the message bck from the server |
| 02:16.14 | Phated | RichiH: I see. |
| 02:16.45 | RichiH | Phated: of course, someone on the same server as you might see your answer before mentor's because it needs to travel some way to your server |
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| 02:16.59 | Phated | Of course. |
| 02:17.09 | mentor | All messages should be timestamped and signed! |
| 02:17.23 | YankDownUnder | !time |
| 02:17.23 | dpkg | somebody said time was found on http://www.time.com/, or Sat Feb 12 02:17:24 2005 |
| 02:17.28 | mentor | That way they can be arranged chronologically, automatically. |
| 02:17.31 | darxeth_ | can someone please lead me to a great linux firewall? |
| 02:17.32 | Jeyrad | which would you preffer: Gnome or KDE. I want to know what works best with sarge, ihave no prefference. |
| 02:17.32 | RichiH | Phated: i am pretty near to mentor, but you were 2 seconds late from my pov, so i am pretty sure you lost |
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| 02:17.42 | Phated | RichiH: Ah well. |
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| 02:17.48 | RichiH | darxeth_: ipcop |
| 02:17.58 | mentor | darxeth_: Define what you mean by firewall... |
| 02:18.18 | Jeyrad | gah |
| 02:18.19 | mentor | darxeth_: Most of the actual firewalling is done by iptables...but that doesn't automagically set up the rules... |
| 02:18.30 | Jeyrad | anyone know how to add screen resolutions? |
| 02:18.31 | jair_11 | phated I want to install kde and I still getting a message and it saying that this is a bug and need to be repoted. |
| 02:18.36 | Phated | Jeyrad: Then use the CLI. |
| 02:18.36 | jair_11 | reported |
| 02:18.43 | jethro | Jeyrad: no we all use the defaults |
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| 02:18.50 | jair_11 | E: broken packages |
| 02:19.03 | nvz | Jeyrad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:19.04 | jair_11 | is the messages after a lot of dependecies information |
| 02:19.12 | Jeyrad | thank you nvz |
| 02:19.20 | Phated | jair_11: Well then. Quite obviously, you need to a) report a bug b) leave yourself in the CLi for about two months. |
| 02:19.21 | mentor | jair_11: Are you using odd sources? |
| 02:19.36 | Phated | jair_11: Maybe even three. |
| 02:19.43 | darxeth_ | mentor, : well... i got this NetFilter infront of me ready to download... its recommended where i'm reading right now so i just asked for advsory porpus |
| 02:19.51 | mrwill | supposing I never want postinst configuration scripts to be run when a package is updated, say by security update. what would I do? |
| 02:19.51 | scarynetworkguy | 4 or 5 at least. |
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| 02:20.01 | jair_11 | mentor, odd? |
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| 02:20.25 | mentor | darxeth_: netfilter is a Linux subsystem...it's usually in the Linux packages in Debian already... |
| 02:20.27 | jair_11 | hahah thank you guys, but configure debian is a big hassle everybody know that. |
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| 02:20.32 | Phated | mentor: I'm fairly sure he/she has used only the Debian list, ie those accessible through apt-setup. |
| 02:20.41 | Phated | jair_11: Yeah, get lost and go use Knoppix, really. |
| 02:21.00 | Phated | Well... Don't get lost, stick around and ask for Knoppix help sometime. |
| 02:21.05 | mentor | jair_11: ah, well, in that case oyu probably need to report a bug. |
| 02:21.07 | jair_11 | not that will mean that I will be giving up and I hate that |
| 02:21.23 | jair_11 | yes i will report the BUG |
| 02:21.24 | Phated | No, please, give up. We've mostly given up anyway. |
| 02:21.24 | darxeth_ | mentor, : i'll guess i'll get it now :> |
| 02:21.34 | mentor | jair_11: Try pasting the relevant lines about the errors in #flood |
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| 02:22.15 | jair_11 | mentor how I have the debian lap top with not x chat |
| 02:22.23 | mentor | darxeth_: netfilter is the core infrastructure...then there is an iptables system built on top of that, which interfaces between your rules and netfilter; then you can have somehting generating hte rules for you... |
| 02:22.25 | jair_11 | I will need to use everything in text mode right |
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| 02:22.57 | Phated | jair_11: Could just type them. |
| 02:23.05 | mentor | jair_11: Sorry, I'm going to need coherent sentences or punctuation to understand what you are saying... |
| 02:23.18 | mentor | jair_11: Might be best to dump them to a file then... |
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| 02:23.46 | darxeth_ | mentor, : i tried to apt-get install netfilter but i couldnt locate the package... |
| 02:24.10 | stone_ | and it work now, i dont know why , and i dont care, did the same thing 50 times. maby it had some loop for(i<50) fail; |
| 02:24.13 | Penix | !cluebat darxeth_ |
| 02:24.15 | mentor | darxeth_: No...it's included in the Linux packages (the kernel) |
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| 02:25.32 | darxeth_ | mentor, : you mean i dont have to download it? then how to run it? |
| 02:25.55 | jair_11 | this debian is &**^% it gave me an error now that no screen founds when I was starting the X: |
| 02:25.55 | jair_11 | start X |
| 02:26.02 | beth | so, configure X properly |
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| 02:26.09 | beth | /msg dpkg setup x |
| 02:26.10 | mentor | jair_11: So configure X. |
| 02:26.10 | jethro | !tell jair_11 about pebcak |
| 02:26.21 | Phated | Brilliant leap of logic there, beth. :) |
| 02:26.23 | minimec | jair_11: That's it. These were the error lines that we needed. :-) |
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| 02:26.27 | mentor | darxeth_: Do you understand what I mean by kernel? |
| 02:26.33 | beth | Phated: I am SMRT |
| 02:26.39 | indes | yes you are. |
| 02:26.42 | darxeth_ | mentor, : yeah... |
| 02:26.43 | Phated | beth: Yeeesss... |
| 02:26.55 | jair_11 | and I did the /etc/init.d/kdm start and it was good but nothing happend |
| 02:27.02 | jair_11 | it just say done |
| 02:27.05 | minimec | jair_11: What graphic card are you using? |
| 02:27.17 | mentor | darxeth_: So you understand that you don't 'run' things that are in the kernel...? |
| 02:27.17 | Phated | Again, it was you not -configuring- X properly. |
| 02:27.41 | beth | !tell jair_11 about setup x |
| 02:27.50 | mentor | jair_11: What makes you think /etc/init.d/kdm start configures X? |
| 02:28.03 | darxeth_ | mentor, : yeah... but how can i "interface" with it |
| 02:28.23 | darxeth_ | mentor, : i want to use the firewall and set rules using it... |
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| 02:28.58 | maher | darxeth_: is this for a personal firewall? |
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| 02:29.02 | mentor | darxeth_: OK. Well, you can either interface with it directly using iptables, or you can use something like IPCop to create the rules for you. |
| 02:29.03 | Phated | mentor: No, that would be my fault, I told jair_11 to do it back when I thought he/she had kdm installed and X configured right. |
| 02:29.09 | darxeth_ | mentor, : yeah |
| 02:29.21 | dabreegster | I'm gunna take another stab at getting my new Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy LS PCI card to work. When I run alsaconf, it sees the onboard card, but not the audigy ls. |
| 02:29.35 | darxeth_ | mentor, : well... allright |
| 02:29.46 | dabreegster | How would I get alsa to recognize and use it? i think I need a module |
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| 02:29.47 | mentor | bad Phated! |
| 02:29.54 | mentor | jair_11: My apologies. |
| 02:30.02 | dabreegster | hey Phated,long time no see |
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| 02:30.12 | Phated | mentor: :( |
| 02:30.13 | mentor | /me you are feeling sleepy... |
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| 02:30.18 | guestish | dabreegster: it might recognize it, but you might not be using it as the default card |
| 02:30.23 | Phated | Hey, dabreegster. What's up? :) |
| 02:30.33 | darxeth_ | mentor, : i just got confused because i'm looking in a page where the description of netfilter and a download link... |
| 02:30.37 | guestish | dabreegster: alsa can use multiple sound cards |
| 02:30.42 | mg | hello, I can´t mount my vfat volume to an user, only root has access. The type of the volume is unknown to a common user.... Why? Please, I need some help. Thanks... |
| 02:30.44 | dabreegster | Phated: n/m, just popped HDD into new 500mhz amd machine. worked beautifully |
| 02:30.51 | mentor | darxeth_: No problem. I did try to explain the difference :/ |
| 02:30.54 | Phated | dabreegster: Sweet. |
| 02:30.58 | MacSociety | Hello. Anyone here using Debian Linux on their Apple Powermac G5 or know a little about it? |
| 02:31.00 | dabreegster | guestish: alsaconf doesn't seem to see it |
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| 02:31.12 | mg | By the way, I´m using Debian-br-cdd |
| 02:31.13 | guestish | dabreegster: you sure it isnt listed? |
| 02:31.17 | dabreegster | guestish: their site says its supported |
| 02:31.19 | dabreegster | guestish: positive. |
| 02:31.38 | guestish | dabreegster: huh...have you tried hotplug? |
| 02:31.41 | mentor | mg: Only root can mount things willy nilly. If you set up your fstab correctly you can allow users to mount specified volumes though. man fstab |
| 02:31.49 | beth | You: very cute. Now stop. |
| 02:31.50 | guestish | You: stop please |
| 02:31.50 | dabreegster | guestish: er, no. how do I do it? |
| 02:31.56 | guestish | dabreegster: apt-get install hotplug |
| 02:31.59 | mentor | !tell MacSociety about ask |
| 02:32.00 | darxeth_ | mentor, : ok then i suppose i should download ipcop atm... |
| 02:32.01 | maher | You: gone |
| 02:32.10 | cycom | wow. having a cat across your arms makes it kinda dificult to type. |
| 02:32.12 | mentor | #debian-ppc? |
| 02:32.14 | dabreegster | guestish: I think i've got it (bootup lists something about it) |
| 02:32.17 | mg | I use defaults in mount options |
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| 02:32.23 | mg | is that wrong? |
| 02:32.26 | guestish | dabreegster: well it should detect and load it, if it isnt blacklisted |
| 02:32.32 | mg | my fstab is ok |
| 02:32.33 | guestish | dabreegster: try #alas |
| 02:32.36 | guestish | dabreegster: try #alsa |
| 02:32.48 | dabreegster | guestish: wow,didn't think they had a #alsa; thanks |
| 02:32.50 | mg | I did it in the other debian-br iso... it´s a new one |
| 02:32.52 | Phated | Heheh, #alas... |
| 02:32.56 | guestish | dabreegster: np |
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| 02:32.57 | mentor | MacSociety: hmmm. Were you looking for specific information. |
| 02:32.58 | mentor | ? |
| 02:32.59 | guestish | Phated: :) |
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| 02:33.33 | guestish | Phated: alas, it isnt meant to be |
| 02:33.35 | mentor | mg: Yes, you need to read how to give users permissions to mount it. It is documented in man fstab IIRC. |
| 02:33.43 | Phated | guestish: Alas. |
| 02:33.51 | guestish | Phated: :) |
| 02:34.10 | Phated | If you use defaults in your fstab though, doesn't it just get mounted at boot anyway? |
| 02:34.56 | MacSociety | I am confused on what version I supposed to download for a PM G5. I did download a Net Install version, 180MB, for PPC, but dates on the installs files show like Sept 2002. Seem real old. Will this work on a G5? |
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| 02:35.23 | mentor | Yeah, you have to specify noauto if you don't want it mounted. |
| 02:35.31 | guestish | MacSociety: woody or sarge netinstall? |
| 02:35.33 | Phated | MacSociety: So get sarge instead. /msg dpkg d-i. |
| 02:35.38 | MacSociety | I downloadeed the Woody PPC version. |
| 02:35.40 | Phated | guestish: Sept 2002.... |
| 02:35.52 | guestish | Phated: meh, maybe its just 1 or 2 old files :) |
| 02:35.54 | mentor | MacSociety: That would be the stable release of Debian yes. |
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| 02:36.14 | Phated | guestish: Which wouldn't be in sarge. They're doing daily builds and stuff. |
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| 02:36.19 | mentor | MacSociety: You may want to upgrade to Sarge or Sid...but be warned...it is broken. |
| 02:36.20 | jair_11 | sorry guys, I will try debian again when some one perfection the hassle of the installation and also the support for centrino and newer harware good night |
| 02:36.21 | guestish | Phated: yeah...thats true... |
| 02:36.31 | RichiH | heh |
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| 02:36.40 | Phated | Finally. Fucking idiot. |
| 02:36.41 | RichiH | at least he is gone *shrug* |
| 02:36.45 | mg | thanks |
| 02:36.47 | guestish | lol |
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| 02:36.57 | zeier | what is the fastest way to determine the sum of the size of all files inside a directory? (plus subdirectories) |
| 02:37.02 | guestish | always at least 1 of'm |
| 02:37.02 | mentor | Yeah...all we need is for hardware manufacturers to support Linux.... |
| 02:37.06 | RichiH | zeier: du |
| 02:37.10 | MacSociety | So how will a version so old, from Sept 2002, be able to boot on a 2004 created system like the G5? I downloaded this version as it was the only option I could find for PPC. |
| 02:37.11 | Phated | zeier: du? |
| 02:37.19 | Phated | mentor: We need to perfection the install too. |
| 02:37.20 | mentor | zeier: du is sometimes inaccurate though. |
| 02:37.32 | jcurry | where would i put an export statement so it is executed before x starts, and the env var is applied globally |
| 02:37.32 | RichiH | Phated: this time, you were definately slower than me |
| 02:37.34 | guestish | MacSociety: he just said to use sarge |
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| 02:37.40 | jcurry | Phated, .xsession didn't work |
| 02:37.41 | RichiH | Phated: but faster than mentor |
| 02:37.43 | Phated | There's a sarge build for ppc, no? |
| 02:38.03 | guestish | ya |
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| 02:38.06 | maher | jcurry: for one user or global |
| 02:38.06 | zeier | mentor: in what cases? |
| 02:38.12 | Phated | jcurry: Again, it was x.org. I have thrown you the normal disclaimer, ie, that I don't know how the fuck X.org does its stuff. |
| 02:38.13 | MacSociety | OK, so Sarge it is. Is Sarge considered stable and will this ISO I download boot on a G5? |
| 02:38.15 | jcurry | maher, global... |
| 02:38.16 | Phated | RichiH: Why thank you. |
| 02:38.25 | mentor | zeier: When the filesystem does odd things with blocksizes and small files. |
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| 02:38.29 | jcurry | Phated, ah, i'm sorry, i musta missed that...sorry |
| 02:38.29 | guestish | MacSociety: stable? techinically no. newer? yes |
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| 02:38.36 | guestish | MacSociety: woody is currently classified as stable |
| 02:38.38 | maher | jcurry: try /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 02:38.42 | guestish | Dunky`: come back as a user account |
| 02:38.42 | daaku | i'm getting a: make: *** No rule to make target `conf.vars', needed by `stamp-configure'. Stop. --- when trying to compile a kernel using make-kpkg, am i doing something wrong? |
| 02:38.49 | mentor | MacSociety: No...it's still broken. I don't know which ISO you downloaded.... |
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| 02:39.09 | mike_ | hi, if i wanted to setup Virtual IMAP accounts which would be the best package to install? |
| 02:39.18 | guestish | MacSociety: it is reasonably stable, though not up to debian standards yet |
| 02:39.24 | mentor | daaku: Which Linux version? Where did you get the source from? |
| 02:39.27 | jcurry | maher, ok, thanks |
| 02:39.33 | einsteinmg | [Announce] cryptsetup with luks support: http://einsteinmg.dyndns.org/repos/ |
| 02:39.35 | RichiH | Phated: you are welcome |
| 02:39.56 | daaku | mentor: stock 2.6.10 |
| 02:40.15 | daaku | mentor: last apt-get upgrade got a new kernel-package, could that be the cause? |
| 02:40.25 | einsteinmg | LUKS is a secure way to store key's for a cryptopartition |
| 02:40.44 | mentor | daaku: Well, yes, that might be the problem. |
| 02:40.46 | MacSociety | Never done a Net Insall before. So, I download the PPC Sarge, burn the ISO to CD, boot my G5 to it, and install from there. If the install needs something, does it just get it from the Internet like it name implies, "netinstall"? |
| 02:40.53 | mentor | einsteinmg: This may not be the best place to advertise. |
| 02:40.58 | mentor | MacSociety: yes. |
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| 02:41.06 | mentor | !tell MacSociety about d-i |
| 02:41.09 | biotech78 | hey, whats the channel for knoppix? |
| 02:41.22 | einsteinmg | mentor: sorry :(, what place is the right place? |
| 02:41.22 | mentor | Hmmm. does that include docs? |
| 02:41.39 | sanxiyn | biotech78: You said it. |
| 02:41.41 | mentor | einsteinmg: apt-get.org? |
| 02:41.44 | maher | biotech78: #knoppix |
| 02:41.59 | biotech78 | i tryed it it said channel not found???? |
| 02:42.07 | mentor | einsteinmg: Maybe you could put a factoid in dpkg... |
| 02:42.11 | sanxiyn | biotech78: Works for me. |
| 02:42.13 | mentor | !tell biotech78 about ep |
| 02:42.33 | maher | biotech78: did you have the # |
| 02:42.43 | mike_ | cyrus-imapd or courier-imap or dovecot-imapd? |
| 02:42.48 | biotech78 | mentor...ep? |
| 02:42.59 | Phated | Hm, interestingly, /list *knoppix* shows nothing. |
| 02:43.03 | biotech78 | and no i really should put the # :) |
| 02:43.15 | MacSociety | Last question, when booted, is this a text installer, follow the prompts, like other Linux distos or is there an elaborit install procedure I need to read up on first. I tried installing YDL 4 and Ubuntu with no luck on both. Ubuntu installs fine, will not boot, and YDL will not even install, so that is why I am looking at Debian. |
| 02:43.26 | Phated | Apparently it has a sum total of one person in it... |
| 02:43.29 | mentor | biotech78: dpkg should have messaged you. |
| 02:43.34 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 02:43.38 | sanxiyn | biotech78: In short, don't use too many punctuations!!! |
| 02:43.44 | einsteinmg | mentor: ah, thx :) |
| 02:43.45 | orchid | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.58 | einsteinmg | mentor: what do you mean with "Maybe you could put a factoid in dpkg..."? |
| 02:44.11 | biotech78 | i did not get any messages |
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| 02:44.40 | mentor | !dpkg luks is cryptsetup with luks support: "http://einsteinmg.dyndns.org/repos/". LUKS is a secure way to store key's for a cryptopartition |
| 02:44.41 | dpkg | mentor: okay |
| 02:44.43 | mentor | !luks |
| 02:44.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, luks is cryptsetup with luks support: "http://einsteinmg.dyndns.org/repos/". LUKS is a secure way to store key's for a cryptopartition |
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| 02:45.31 | mentor | biotech78: What client are you using? |
| 02:45.46 | biotech78 | x chat, it came wih knoppix |
| 02:46.18 | daaku | mentor: so you're saying it could be a bug in kernel-package? |
| 02:46.19 | biotech78 | iim brand new to linux. windows can not compare :) |
| 02:46.22 | einsteinmg | mentor: oh :), thx |
| 02:46.32 | guestish | biotech78: try joining it and not just trying to #whois it |
| 02:46.41 | guestish | biotech78: erm, whois i mean :) |
| 02:46.55 | guestish | biotech78: it exists, trust me |
| 02:46.57 | MacSociety | Thanks all. I will give it a go, |
| 02:47.09 | mentor | daaku: Yes. You should probably do a make-kpkg clean first. Then see if you cna reproduce the error...otherwise it's just that the debian/ directory was from the old make-kpkg. |
| 02:47.10 | sanxiyn | biotech78: Type /join #knoppix. Thanks. |
| 02:47.33 | mentor | biotech78: Well, there should be a little tab next to your channels, saying 'dpkg'. |
| 02:47.41 | mentor | biotech78: Now. /join #knoppix. |
| 02:47.56 | biotech78 | ok, thnks |
| 02:48.07 | guestish | :) |
| 02:48.18 | dabreegster | Hey, why isn't there alsa-modules for a 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:48.29 | guestish | dabreegster: cause its included in the kernel |
| 02:48.38 | dabreegster | ah |
| 02:48.39 | guestish | dabreegster: you can always install alsa-source if you want the external module package |
| 02:48.51 | guestish | though there is no need |
| 02:48.55 | dabreegster | ok |
| 02:49.00 | dabreegster | thanks |
| 02:49.00 | daaku | mentor: i tried it with a clean tree, had the same problem.. |
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| 02:49.19 | mentor | daaku: I would say it's probably a bug in kp then. Check the bug pages. |
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| 02:50.36 | guestish | !sing sarge |
| 02:50.36 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 02:51.30 | jstevens | change it to "Tomorrow, Tomorrow, you're only a day away!" |
| 02:51.45 | guestish | jstevens: copyright infringement ;) |
| 02:51.54 | daaku | mentor: yup, probably should have checked first! thanks.. |
| 02:51.56 | bsytko | Is it just me, or does bzip2 not come installed as default? |
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| 02:52.00 | YankDownUnder | <plug>(Just as a side-note, there is a channel called #lfd = linux for dummies. Very specific for "n00bs") </plug> |
| 02:52.02 | jstevens | guestich: yeah, probably right |
| 02:52.03 | spaztastic | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.03 | spaztastic | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.03 | spaztastic | . / __/ _ \ / __| |/ / __| '_ \ / _` | '__| '__/ _ \ \ /\ / / __| |
| 02:52.03 | spaztastic | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.03 | spaztastic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:52.05 | sanxiyn | bsytko: Not default. |
| 02:52.07 | guestish | ... |
| 02:52.11 | guestish | what a spaz |
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| 02:52.15 | spaztastic | oops |
| 02:52.19 | spaztastic | wrong butotn |
| 02:52.21 | bsytko | sanxiyn: =/ ok |
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| 02:52.28 | guestish | spaztastic: im sure |
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| 02:52.38 | lilo | gee, imagine that |
| 02:52.43 | *** mode/#Debian [+q *!~shitoff@82-39-115-87.cable.ubr03.newy.blueyonder.co.uk] by mentor |
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| 02:52.50 | guestish | k-lined, heh |
| 02:52.59 | mentor | yeah...these accidents seem to happen in groups... |
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| 02:53.09 | guestish | mentor: true enough.. |
| 02:53.12 | *** mode/#Debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
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| 02:53.27 | dondelelcaro | mentor: the +q when you're k-lined is a bit anti-climactic... ;-) |
| 02:53.34 | mentor | yeah. |
| 02:53.44 | Phated | Looky all the ops! |
| 02:53.49 | guestish | how long is he banned for when k-lined? |
| 02:53.59 | Phated | guestish: Think it's foreva. :D |
| 02:54.01 | dondelelcaro | guestish: lilo would know |
| 02:54.08 | guestish | lilo: you here? |
| 02:54.10 | lilo | guestish: long enough for his attention to wander to another network ;) |
| 02:54.13 | guestish | lol |
| 02:54.13 | Phated | guestish: s/Think/Hope/ now. :) |
| 02:54.14 | lilo | guestish: yes |
| 02:54.18 | guestish | k |
| 02:54.21 | lilo | there is no forever here |
| 02:54.30 | jcurry | !k-lined |
| 02:54.31 | lilo | but forever is rarely needed |
| 02:54.34 | jcurry | !k-line |
| 02:54.36 | guestish | hopefully he'll wander back to dalnet |
| 02:54.45 | lilo | presumably |
| 02:54.48 | lilo | or Quakenet |
| 02:54.52 | dondelelcaro | jcurry: it's a server wide ban... /msg dpkg fn modes |
| 02:54.56 | lilo | sanxiyn: and here you are ;) |
| 02:55.03 | mentor | server or network? |
| 02:55.04 | lilo | sanxiyn: and nobody's upset with you |
| 02:55.09 | dondelelcaro | mentor: network, rather... |
| 02:55.10 | lilo | sanxiyn: situations change |
| 02:55.11 | guestish | pretty sure its network |
| 02:55.31 | ubuh-huntuh | anyone here using ultramonkey/lvs to load balance ftp with NAT method? I have both ip_vs_ftp and ftp_conntract_ftp loaded but the data connections keep getting blocked by iptables. Anyone got the same prob? |
| 02:56.10 | lilo | when we kline, we kline from the whole network |
| 02:56.16 | lilo | and we never make it permanent |
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| 02:56.23 | guestish | 14 days or so? |
| 02:56.28 | lilo | it varies |
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| 02:56.40 | ubuh-huntuh | anyone here using ultramonkey/lvs to load balance ftp with NAT method? I have both ip_vs_ftp and ftp_conntract_ftp loaded but the data connections keep getting blocked by iptables. Anyone got the same prob? |
| 02:56.49 | guestish | ubuh-huntuh: we heard you the first time |
| 02:56.52 | hassan | hello |
| 02:56.55 | guestish | ubuh-huntuh: i have no idea |
| 02:56.58 | RichiH | jcurry, sanxiyn: we have central configs and central privileges for staff, so a kline == dline -> only klines exist |
| 02:57.02 | lilo | ubuh-huntuh: probably best not to repeat so quickly |
| 02:57.05 | mentor | hassan: hello |
| 02:57.14 | guestish | d-line? |
| 02:57.16 | hassan | hello mentor |
| 02:57.27 | guestish | never heard of that one |
| 02:57.43 | mentor | did he mean gline? |
| 02:57.47 | RichiH | no wait, i think i mixed the lines in my head |
| 02:57.52 | RichiH | mentor: that's the one :) |
| 02:57.56 | mentor | :) |
| 02:58.58 | RichiH | guestish: dlines exist, too. they are different from klines, but the end result is about the same ;) but yes, glines were deprecated because the central config makes a kline do the same, basically |
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| 02:59.42 | Davidcc6 | how can i burn a .nrg (nero image) in my debian ??? |
| 02:59.52 | ubuh-huntuh | sorry i used /amsg and the server said only one processed so I repeated the in the last two rooms |
| 03:00.19 | sanxiyn | Davidcc6: apt-get install nrg2iso |
| 03:00.41 | sanxiyn | Davidcc6: And burn ISO. |
| 03:00.47 | mentor | !tell Davidcc6 about ep |
| 03:01.17 | Davidcc6 | thx all |
| 03:01.19 | sanxiyn | Davidcc6: Actually, "apt-cache search nrg" would have told you. |
| 03:02.15 | orchid | the "play" command is part of what package? |
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| 03:03.30 | ubuh-huntuh | anyone here using ultramonkey/lvs to load balance ftp with NAT method? I have both ip_vs_ftp and ftp_conntract_ftp loaded but the data connections keep getting blocked by iptables. Anyone got the same prob? |
| 03:03.37 | sanxiyn | orchid: packages.debian.org has "search the contents of packages". |
| 03:03.42 | ubuh-huntuh | eh duh sorry again |
| 03:03.57 | ubuh-huntuh | it's late i should go home |
| 03:03.59 | ubuh-huntuh | bye |
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| 03:04.15 | sanxiyn | orchid: It says "sox" has /usr/bin/play. |
| 03:04.17 | orchid | sanxiyn: yeah, I'm trying apt-file too, but its a far too common word, its in a gazillion packages |
| 03:04.31 | TSGC | Hi. I am trying to install the driver for my internal modem. It is giving me an error: "invalid operands to binary" |
| 03:04.35 | orchid | sanxiyn: ahh ok |
| 03:04.36 | sanxiyn | orchid: Good trick is searching for "bin/play" instead of "play" :-) |
| 03:04.39 | Davidcc6 | sanxiyn, its working, thx so much |
| 03:04.41 | orchid | :) |
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| 03:05.05 | mentor | orchid: or even bin/play$ |
| 03:05.36 | orchid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:08.53 | Davidcc6 | sanxiyn, now i have the file .iso, but when i try to emulated whit qemu, dont work, is that normal? |
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| 03:09.18 | sanxiyn | Davidcc6: Dunno much about qemu. :( |
| 03:09.29 | Davidcc6 | sanxiyn, bye, thx |
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| 03:12.07 | stego | I've always wondered. If I apt-get upgrade say, X or say xterm and I am currently using both, is it better to exit out of both to the command line? How does the upgrade work? Is the file copied over the top whilst the in-use version is being accessed from RAM? |
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| 03:13.42 | biotech78 | how can i find other channels to join? is there a list or scan command? |
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| 03:14.34 | simonrvn | biotech78: /msg chanserv help list or such |
| 03:15.34 | biotech78 | list |
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| 03:17.53 | biotech78 | thnks im still new to irc and linux |
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| 03:26.28 | OUTsider | maybe short, simple and dumb question, how to change which tmp directory dpkg/apt should use ? |
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| 03:26.59 | OUTsider | because of security reasons I changed my /tmp to noexec, which dpkg preconfigure doesn't seem to like |
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| 03:28.18 | Roadrunne | how can i find out since which kernel the HP Smart Array 6i SCSI controller is supported? |
| 03:29.10 | drp | can you use the tar utility to extract rar archives |
| 03:29.13 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: by reading kernel changelogs |
| 03:29.16 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: That's a strange thing to need to know |
| 03:29.23 | Kobaz | Roadrunne: you can download 2.6.11-rc3, and if its not in that, its doubtful its in any of them |
| 03:29.24 | jetscreamer | drp no don't htink so |
| 03:29.33 | Flimzy | drp: Only if you can use a can opener to drive a nail. |
| 03:29.34 | jetscreamer | apt-get install unrar |
| 03:29.46 | drp | Flimzy, it's been done |
| 03:29.48 | jetscreamer | i can use a can opener to drive a nail.. |
| 03:29.59 | drp | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 03:30.01 | Flimzy | drp: Then have fun opening rar files with tar |
| 03:30.09 | Kobaz | heh |
| 03:30.10 | drp | lol Flimzy |
| 03:30.13 | Kobaz | rar != tar |
| 03:30.13 | Flimzy | rar == compressed. tar == uncompressed |
| 03:30.14 | jetscreamer | see also apt-get install rar |
| 03:30.18 | Flimzy | They're completely different |
| 03:30.29 | Flimzy | Their only similarity is that the rhyme :P |
| 03:30.45 | drp | well i just wondered |
| 03:30.53 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: i want to install a HP DL360 server and want to figure out how i can easily install it. the standard woody cd doesn't work. |
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| 03:31.08 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: woody is very old. If that's new hardware, then it probably won't work. |
| 03:31.16 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: Try a new kernel and see if it works. |
| 03:31.28 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: Or look at a new kernel source tree and see if it has drivers for it |
| 03:31.34 | cthulfuego | Roadrunne: If woody works at all, it would be with the 'compact' boot set. |
| 03:31.46 | cthulfuego | Roadrunne: More likely you'd want one of the newer sarge kernels. |
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| 03:32.05 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: can i install the sarge version without any major bugs? |
| 03:32.21 | drp | jetscreamer, are you sure that's the name of the package |
| 03:32.35 | jetscreamer | drp it might be in non-free |
| 03:32.37 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: sarge version of what? |
| 03:32.38 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: debian? Probably not. |
| 03:32.38 | jetscreamer | !info unrar |
| 03:32.51 | jetscreamer | ~info unrar |
| 03:32.52 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 03:32.53 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: If it's for a production server, your best bet is to use a (more) modern kernel in woody |
| 03:32.54 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:33.03 | jetscreamer | oopsies |
| 03:33.08 | jetscreamer | sowwy |
| 03:33.15 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: Now look at what you did!! :P |
| 03:33.16 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: ok, so i have to create own boot disks to install the woody? |
| 03:33.22 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: Perhaps |
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| 03:33.39 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: There is a 2.4 boot disk for woody. That may or may not be new enough for your needs. |
| 03:33.42 | OUTsider | maybe short, simple and dumb question, how to change which tmp directory dpkg/apt should use ? because of security reasons I changed my /tmp to noexec, which dpkg preconfigure doesn't seem to like. So I am getting issues updating packages. |
| 03:33.48 | jetscreamer | !info unrar sarge |
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| 03:34.06 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: ok, i think i'll give it a try :-) |
| 03:34.07 | jetscreamer | [21.33.51] <dpkg> Package 'unrar' does not exist. |
| 03:34.20 | OUTsider | rar x <file> |
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| 03:34.45 | jetscreamer | drp, you can get them from marillat, or go to p.d.org and d/l a sid .deb |
| 03:35.00 | jetscreamer | no rar for sarge |
| 03:35.04 | jetscreamer | well unrar |
| 03:35.14 | OUTsider | rar x = unrar |
| 03:35.15 | SilvioSantoZ | hello, where would be a good place to talk about java-package? |
| 03:35.42 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 03:35.45 | SilvioSantoZ | (contrib's java-package) |
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| 03:36.06 | jetscreamer | okie so apt-get install rar and do the rar x thang drp |
| 03:36.06 | OUTsider | looks like noone seems to know the answer to my question |
| 03:36.26 | jetscreamer | man apt maybe |
| 03:36.31 | jetscreamer | or dpkg |
| 03:37.10 | drp | package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 03:37.23 | SilvioSantoZ | rar is in non-free |
| 03:37.46 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: where can i find out what hardware is supported by a specific kernel? do i have to search in the kernel package or is there any database/website? |
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| 03:38.54 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: I always look in the Documentation directory in the source tree first. Failing that, I grep the actual source code. |
| 03:40.17 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: damn, the 2.4.18 seems to support only the 5i downwards but not the 6i. |
| 03:40.23 | cthulfuego | You know, vsystem also makes pretty depend trees. |
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| 03:44.53 | Endo_ | i finally got xfree working good, only new problems have arisen :x ... when i startx the screen is off-centered.. it regesters the clicks in the right spots, but the sceen is almost 1/2 off, and loops back to the other side of the screen. Ive tried to play with the refresh rates, resolution ect.. nothing seems to work. any idea what im doing wrong? |
| 03:45.32 | mentor | working well. |
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| 03:46.09 | mentor | Endo_: When, you say reigsterd the clicks in the right place...do you mean in the same place that the cursor is? |
| 03:46.50 | Endo_ | mentor: yes |
| 03:46.53 | Endo_ | well |
| 03:47.17 | Endo_ | say i click on the "menu" button.. i would have to click where is should be, not where it is |
| 03:47.35 | wabbittwaks | hey guys, i'm a newcomer to debian, and i'm trying to install kernel 2.6, but running "apt-cache search kernel-source" yields kernels up to 2.4.19 only, i suspect that's because debian doesn't think anything past 2.4.19 is stable enough, am i correct and if so, how do i enable more unstable packages to appear in apt-get (and dselect)? |
| 03:47.57 | mentor | Endo_: So the cursor is not over the menu button when you click it? |
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| 03:48.07 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: debian installer allows me to install additional modules from disk during install, s there any howto about it, how this disks must look like and where to get the modules from? |
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| 03:48.28 | Endo_ | mentor: no, since the screen is like 1/2 off |
| 03:48.38 | Endo_ | the menu bar is around mid screen |
| 03:48.44 | pipeline | wabbittwaks: Upgrade to sarge. |
| 03:48.46 | Endo_ | *button |
| 03:48.56 | pipeline | wabbittwaks: All you have to do is edit your sources.list and do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it should go fine. |
| 03:48.58 | spoofer | wabbittwaks: have you heard about stable testing and unstable? |
| 03:49.02 | mentor | Endo_: What kind of screen is it? |
| 03:49.15 | flankk | hey, with apache-ssl/mod_ssl, should i be setting my DocumentRoot to /var/www, or reserve another directory in /var/? i cannot find anything in the documentation about the recommended method. |
| 03:49.21 | wabbittwaks | spoofer: i've heard about it only |
| 03:49.33 | nik | i have used debian for a few years now but i have an install taht seems flakey. I have a compaq ML330 with SCSI Ultra2 controller and i dropped in a Promis Ultra66 IDE card too. well when i load any of the 686 kernels (2.4.27 or 2.6.8) and edit the fstab to include the drive on the ultra66 i get fsck errors because checkfs.sh runs before the drives/controller are id'd/init'd ... anyone seen this. |
| 03:49.41 | wabbittwaks | pipeline: is it safe to upgrade from woody to sarge, or should i start over |
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| 03:49.50 | IHATEDNS | Hello? |
| 03:49.53 | jcb | do someone know if qpopper also support imap? |
| 03:49.56 | Endo_ | mentor: and old one. samsung sync master 3 to be specific |
| 03:50.16 | IHATEDNS | Can anybody help me with a DNS problem? |
| 03:50.22 | bob2 | IHATEDNS: not until you ask |
| 03:50.26 | bob2 | jcb: just use dovecot |
| 03:50.26 | mentor | Endo_: Is there any dostortion of the picture? |
| 03:50.38 | mentor | !tell IHATEDNS about ask |
| 03:50.45 | spoofer | wabbittwaks: safe to upgrade |
| 03:50.54 | mentor | s/dos/dis/ |
| 03:50.54 | IHATEDNS | the problem is I have bind9 |
| 03:50.56 | Endo_ | mentor: nothing besides the off-center thing |
| 03:51.04 | IHATEDNS | and I already did zone files and everything |
| 03:51.19 | IHATEDNS | yet godaddy says its not a dns server |
| 03:51.20 | mentor | Endo_: Sounds like it's drawing to the framebuffer wrongly then... |
| 03:51.23 | mentor | Endo_: What video card? |
| 03:51.38 | Endo_ | mentor: selected no frame buffer |
| 03:51.46 | IHATEDNS | http://www.pastebin.com/240807 <-- named.conf |
| 03:51.46 | Endo_ | unless it didnt listen |
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| 03:52.01 | wabbittwaks | spoofer: do you have a link to a good explanation of debian's release terminology (stable vs. unstable, etc) |
| 03:52.01 | IHATEDNS | http://www.pastebin.com/240806 |
| 03:52.09 | IHATEDNS | zone file |
| 03:52.14 | Endo_ | mentor: rendition 2100 |
| 03:52.41 | wabbittwaks | pipeline: what do i have to change in sourcles.list, right now i have a bunch of sources followed by "stable main non-free contrib" |
| 03:52.50 | spoofer | wabbittwaks: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 03:53.07 | mentor | Endo_: No, I mean that on the video card it has a portion of the video RAM set aside as a current pixel buffer of the screen which gets fed directly to the RAMDAC. |
| 03:53.12 | nik | can anyone help me on the Promise Ultra66 issue? |
| 03:53.49 | mentor | nik: Do you have the modules in /etc/modules? |
| 03:53.57 | Endo_ | mentor: oh, could be.. i let xfree "guess" ram size |
| 03:54.09 | nik | mentor : yes. i even put it first. pdc202xx_new |
| 03:54.22 | spoofer | sid>sarge |
| 03:54.38 | nik | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.47 | bob2 | nik: er, does it have your root filesystem on it? |
| 03:54.50 | mentor | Endo_: Oh yeah. You need to set the pass in /etc/fstab so fsck waits for the modules to be mounted. |
| 03:54.52 | bob2 | nik: and are you using a custom kernel? |
| 03:54.54 | nik | bob2 : no |
| 03:54.54 | mentor | loaded. |
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| 03:55.08 | nik | bob2 :no kernel-image-2.6.8.something... |
| 03:55.21 | mentor | Endo_: That might be the problem. Can you find out how much video RAM you have? |
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| 03:55.31 | x1bncwn | 2.6.8-2-$arch |
| 03:55.43 | Endo_ | mentor: ill try, brb |
| 03:55.49 | bob2 | nik: what's not working? |
| 03:56.46 | nik | bob2 : for some reason it doesn't look like the module loads and discover ends up finding and init'ing the drives but not until after checkfs.sh has run and pops an fsck error about the drives not existing ( i added the drive mount points in fstab) |
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| 03:57.09 | bob2 | nik: discover with 2.6 is bong |
| 03:57.12 | Epilog | hi there |
| 03:57.12 | bob2 | just install hotplug |
| 03:57.16 | Epilog | having a little problem with routes |
| 03:57.32 | nik | bong=screwed? |
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| 03:57.39 | bob2 | well, silly |
| 03:57.46 | bob2 | I'm not sure if it's supposed to work well or not |
| 03:57.51 | Epilog | how do I specify that a certain IP or range of IPs go to PPP0 and not eth0? |
| 03:58.01 | bob2 | you create a route |
| 03:58.05 | nik | bob2 : so why does the netinstall image install it by default |
| 03:58.19 | bob2 | ip route add W.X.Y.Z/whatever dev ppp0 via your.gate.way |
| 03:58.45 | Epilog | bob2: tks, gonna try that |
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| 03:59.54 | Endo_ | mentor: 4MB |
| 03:59.54 | nik | bob2 : i think hotplug is installed too |
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| 04:00.05 | Endo_ | mentor: ill check how much xfree was usgin after boot |
| 04:00.06 | mentor | Endo_: What does X guess? |
| 04:00.07 | bob2 | hah |
| 04:00.09 | mentor | :) |
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| 04:02.39 | nik | looks like i have the drives mounted with a one pass fsck in the fstab but i am betting that it won't mount them still. |
| 04:02.48 | nik | bb in a minute |
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| 04:03.55 | Endo_ | mentor: videoRam 4096 kBytes |
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| 04:04.11 | mentor | Endo_: That probably wasn't it then. |
| 04:04.13 | Endo_ | mentor: theres also a ton of modules im not even sure what they do ;p |
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| 04:04.38 | mentor | nik: No. Not one pass of fscking. This is the pass on which fsck check the drive. |
| 04:05.03 | mentor | Endo_: The ways and things of XF86 are many and unknown |
| 04:05.35 | jetscreamer | the 1 and 2 don't mean passes it's the order they are checked |
| 04:05.53 | mentor | nik: ie. some passes run later. |
| 04:06.02 | Endo_ | mentor: apparently heh |
| 04:06.07 | mentor | Endo_: Might be a case of googling now. |
| 04:06.17 | Endo_ | mentor: always my first try |
| 04:06.21 | mentor | Endo_: Maybe then asking X devels. |
| 04:06.25 | mentor | Endo_: :( |
| 04:06.33 | Endo_ | mentor: ever try y windows? ;) |
| 04:06.36 | dabreegster | I've got a PS2 mouse plugged in and am trying to get gpm going. In gpmconfig, I said the mouse is at /dev/psaux (that's right, right?) and is a ms mouse (cuz it is). test failed. |
| 04:06.38 | mentor | right. gn all. |
| 04:06.46 | Endo_ | night mentor |
| 04:06.54 | Endo_ | thanks for the help |
| 04:06.57 | mentor | dabreegster: What Linux version? |
| 04:07.03 | mentor | bah. I am going to bed. honestly. |
| 04:07.20 | dabreegster | 2.6.7 |
| 04:07.20 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: If you have a module, either one you compiled, or got from a manufactuerer, or whatever, just put it on a floppy disk and point the installer to it. |
| 04:07.26 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: the module will typically be something.o |
| 04:07.31 | mentor | dabreegster: /dev/input/mouse0? |
| 04:07.34 | jetscreamer | psaux is if it's a ps/2 mouse, as opposed to a serial or usb moust |
| 04:07.36 | jetscreamer | mouse |
| 04:07.37 | dabreegster | mentor: I'll try |
| 04:07.45 | mentor | debhelper: You might not even have the appropriate input modules loaded. |
| 04:07.46 | dabreegster | jetscreamer: it's a ps2 |
| 04:07.53 | jetscreamer | then psaux is correct |
| 04:08.02 | dabreegster | doesn't see it.hmm |
| 04:08.23 | jetscreamer | what kernel dabreegster |
| 04:08.27 | mentor | jetscreamer: Well, only if Linux is compiled with CONFIG_MOUSEDEV_PSAUX... |
| 04:08.28 | dabreegster | 2.6.7 |
| 04:08.40 | jetscreamer | do you have mousedev and psmouse loaded? |
| 04:08.44 | mentor | jethro: dejá vu |
| 04:08.48 | dabreegster | dunno, lemme check |
| 04:08.51 | mentor | jetscreamer: even. |
| 04:08.56 | jetscreamer | tabtabtab |
| 04:09.06 | dabreegster | psmouse yes, lemme modprobe mousedev |
| 04:09.20 | jetscreamer | i know nothing of gpm |
| 04:09.31 | jetscreamer | !pay attention to mentor |
| 04:09.34 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: just in the root of the floppy? |
| 04:09.36 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 04:12.29 | stazich | Hi everyone, i am trying to get xWindows to work on an iMac, does anyone know how to do it?i always get an error : no screens found |
| 04:12.49 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 stazich |
| 04:12.55 | vulture | stazich: read yer logs.. |
| 04:13.02 | jetscreamer | yeah read logs first |
| 04:13.07 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.25 | jetscreamer | know thy monitor refresh rates |
| 04:13.41 | jetscreamer | have mice stuff loaded (psmouse mousedev) |
| 04:14.14 | stazich | ok, i am going to try now |
| 04:14.23 | dabreegster | jetscreamer: nope. oh well. |
| 04:14.34 | jetscreamer | there's a gpm howto i think |
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| 04:14.53 | jetscreamer | !tell dabreegster about gpm |
| 04:14.59 | jetscreamer | did you see that one? |
| 04:15.23 | dabreegster | yep I'll try it |
| 04:15.38 | nik | bob2 : i think i found the problem... i needed pdc202xx_old not pdc202xx_new in /etc/modules for a Promise Ultra66. |
| 04:15.43 | nik | thanks guyz. |
| 04:15.49 | bob2 | ouch |
| 04:16.17 | nik | i think they moved it from one to the other at some rev of the driver. |
| 04:16.43 | mrwill | will suexec under apache 1.3 on woody allow me to execute scripts that are located outside the document root, but symlinked from within it? |
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| 04:19.12 | mrwill | ok, in the process of trying it... |
| 04:25.38 | stazich | hey, i was trying dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as much as i cud using all possible variances, but couldnt get it to work... i am now trying to edit the /etc/X11/XF86config-4 file manually... anyone know of a simple editor besides pico to use? i dont have pico installed :( |
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| 04:26.29 | drp | stazich, vi |
| 04:26.35 | maher | stazich: use dpkg-reconfigure to set the values to what you think they should be then tell us the error you get |
| 04:27.00 | stazich | the error i constantly get is :no screens found |
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| 04:27.15 | holy_cow | oi |
| 04:27.23 | maher | stazich: what's the error with EE in front of it |
| 04:27.40 | simonrvn | @+dict cud |
| 04:27.47 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'cud' (2 shown; 7 total): Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat. --Levit. xi. 3 ;; a wad of something chewable as tobacco . |
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| 04:29.15 | stazich | no devices detected |
| 04:29.36 | maher | stazich: what machien do you have |
| 04:29.42 | stazich | iMac |
| 04:29.55 | maher | stazich: what model |
| 04:30.30 | stazich | Lime |
| 04:30.31 | stazich | :) |
| 04:30.33 | stazich | 333 |
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| 04:32.16 | maher | stazich: what graphic card |
| 04:32.31 | stazich | actually i just got it to worjk with some of the settings i tried after reconfiguring that stuff... buti doesnot load any window manager or anything.. just a white screen with a cross in middle.. i can move pointer thats it... trl+z or x do not work |
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| 04:32.47 | maher | stazich: ok - that means X works and something else is wrong |
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| 04:33.06 | stazich | what command should i be using to start X? i just enter X... |
| 04:33.09 | maher | stazich: what window manager / desktop do you wish to use |
| 04:33.23 | stazich | i think it was XFM |
| 04:33.25 | stazich | ...? |
| 04:33.27 | maher | stazich: try startx |
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| 04:34.25 | YankDownUnder | Wazza kernel ver for 3.0r2....? |
| 04:34.47 | maher | YankDownUnder: either 2.2 or 2.4 |
| 04:34.57 | YankDownUnder | roger that. ta. |
| 04:35.39 | stazich | ok, i somehow managed to get out of that screen by pressing the whole keyboard at once... it took me out to a new login where i logged in as root, now trying to startx but it tells me im already running it.... tells me "remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again" how do i do that? |
| 04:35.48 | first | Is there an easy way to fix GNOME so it automatically shows CDs on the desktop when I put them in? gnome-volume-manager is running, but the CD never shows up on the desktop. |
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| 04:36.07 | maher | stazich: try pressing ctrl-alt f7 |
| 04:36.27 | maher | stazich: do you have k/g/xdm insatlled? |
| 04:36.33 | stazich | nothing happens... remember its an imac keyboard ;( |
| 04:36.38 | stazich | ok, il just restart |
| 04:36.45 | stazich | xdm i believe |
| 04:36.55 | maher | stazich: try /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
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| 04:41.59 | michal_ | hi. does anyone know what the upstream source of the exiftran package is? I havn't been able to find it |
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| 04:43.32 | Jeyrad | can someone help me to get access to my windows hd so i can use some of the fileson there |
| 04:43.43 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 04:43.43 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 04:44.22 | Jeyrad | ?? |
| 04:44.35 | jetscreamer | clear and self-explanatory |
| 04:44.41 | Jeyrad | i know |
| 04:44.50 | jetscreamer | ok so... |
| 04:44.58 | Jeyrad | butwill it work or not? i already tried mounting it,but it didnt work |
| 04:45.07 | jetscreamer | you're damn straight it works |
| 04:45.08 | dondelelcaro | Jeyrad: it works here. |
| 04:45.30 | jetscreamer | it took me over an hour to try every little fmask and dmask checking and testing |
| 04:45.38 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 04:45.38 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 vfat rw,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0222,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 04:45.52 | jetscreamer | i didn't post the rw-ntfs |
| 04:46.01 | jetscreamer | which is what i origianlly wanted |
| 04:46.04 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:46.05 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: there really isn't such a thing |
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| 04:46.42 | jetscreamer | i've written to my ntfs partition before (when it's actually installed in the computer) |
| 04:47.28 | La_Vie_En_Rose | hello everyone |
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| 04:49.12 | slocate | is there a difference (obviously) between how outlook interacts with an IMAP server than how say thunderbird does? |
| 04:50.46 | slocate | sorry i meant SMTP |
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| 04:51.43 | ChrysalisM | the 2.6 ufs fs driver munged a whole FreeBSD system trying to write to it today |
| 04:51.46 | fsc | what's that tool to choose the default version for a number of packages...say if you have multiple versions of vi like elvi and vim? |
| 04:52.06 | ChrysalisM | rw is supposed to be supported but I've given up on that shit |
| 04:52.13 | nevyn_ | fsc: update-alternatives |
| 04:52.21 | fsc | nevyn_, : yep...yep. thanks |
| 04:52.28 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:53.55 | fsc | and the problem is with ruby |
| 04:54.33 | fsc | of course i'm on ubuntu so it might be its fault, but shouldn't ruby have an entry in update-alternatives beause i've got this script calling on ruby and not ruby1.8 |
| 04:54.46 | fsc | of course i could just ln -s it |
| 04:54.55 | fsc | but....i thought update-alternatives would be the "official" way |
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| 04:55.20 | SpanKY | could someone please run `grep -- -word$ /etc/inputrc` and give me the output ? |
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| 04:57.05 | maher | stazich: talk in the channel |
| 04:57.07 | ivan | # "\e[5C": forward-word |
| 04:57.07 | ivan | # "\e[5D": backward-word |
| 04:57.07 | ivan | # "\e\e[C": forward-word |
| 04:57.07 | ivan | # "\e\e[D": backward-word |
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| 04:57.31 | maher | stazich: don't msh me- talk in the channel |
| 04:57.46 | factor | what command do I use to by pass the gnome panel error install so I can get the other stuff installed. |
| 04:58.07 | stazich | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.16 | maher | stazich: if you use g/kdm it should give you an option to switch desktop |
| 04:58.17 | SpanKY | thanks ivan, that's what i was looking for confirmed |
| 04:58.26 | ivan | np |
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| 04:58.46 | stazich | it doesnt... just logs in to KDE |
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| 04:59.05 | maher | stazich: kdm or xdm? |
| 04:59.32 | guestish | heh |
| 05:01.09 | ugexe | what do i use to access a file share on another computer? |
| 05:01.14 | Nurbs_ | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager ? |
| 05:01.23 | guestish | ugexe: samba if its windows, nfs if its a un*x |
| 05:01.40 | ChrysalisM | stazich: create a file .xsession in your home directory that contains only 'exec gnome-session' |
| 05:01.46 | nevyn_ | ugexe: netatalk if it's macos <10 |
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| 05:03.01 | jetscreamer | must be xdm |
| 05:03.08 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kdm |
| 05:03.20 | cdc | i am using Sarge i am able to play mp3 files using KDE but i am unable to do that when i use gnome |
| 05:03.25 | jetscreamer | or dpkg-reconfigure kdm if you have it already |
| 05:03.26 | cdc | could any one help me out |
| 05:03.33 | cdc | i guess its a problem with ALSA |
| 05:03.34 | jetscreamer | turn the audio stuff on |
| 05:03.36 | cdc | how do i configure alsa |
| 05:03.52 | jetscreamer | why would you need to reconfigure alsa if it works under kde |
| 05:04.07 | cdc | jetscreamer,what do i do now |
| 05:04.09 | jetscreamer | you need to get gnome set up properly |
| 05:04.25 | cdc | jetscreamer, i get an error when i play mp3 in xmms |
| 05:04.37 | cdc | it says ur sound card is not configured properly |
| 05:04.50 | jetscreamer | does it work in kde though? |
| 05:04.56 | jetscreamer | xmms? |
| 05:05.02 | ChrysalisM | cdc: what output plugin are you using in xmms |
| 05:05.02 | cdc | jetscreamer, yes in kde it works perfectly |
| 05:05.02 | Jeyrad | jetscreamer:It didnt work |
| 05:05.08 | cdc | OSS |
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| 05:05.18 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, i forgot... where were we |
| 05:05.29 | jetscreamer | oss or alsa |
| 05:05.34 | jetscreamer | you only get to use one |
| 05:05.38 | cdc | ChrysalisM, i use OSS |
| 05:05.42 | Jeyrad | writing the thing to the fstab |
| 05:05.43 | rajasun | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.43 | rajasun | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.43 | rajasun | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.53 | Jeyrad | i wrote it, reboot, didnt work |
| 05:06.02 | ChrysalisM | cdc: whats listed if you do 'lsmod | grep oss' |
| 05:06.14 | guestish | cdc: whats wrong with oss? |
| 05:06.19 | arnon | helo, I got error xlib;connection to ":0.0" refused by server xlib:no protocol specified when I run xfontsel, please help |
| 05:06.20 | Stevie-O | 250 Stevie-O |
| 05:06.23 | jetscreamer | you don't have to reboot, just remount |
| 05:06.24 | ChrysalisM | snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss hopefully then |
| 05:06.29 | Jeyrad | well |
| 05:06.34 | Jeyrad | its still not working |
| 05:06.37 | Jeyrad | its mounted now |
| 05:06.37 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, did you change the uid ? |
| 05:06.44 | cdc | snd_mixer_oss 16640 0 |
| 05:06.44 | cdc | snd 50660 8 snd_mixer_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device |
| 05:06.49 | Jeyrad | what do i change the uid to?rofl |
| 05:06.58 | cdc | ChrysalisM, this is what i get |
| 05:06.59 | jetscreamer | Jeyrad, do id at cli |
| 05:07.05 | jetscreamer | type id |
| 05:07.14 | jetscreamer | change it to your uid |
| 05:07.15 | ChrysalisM | cdc: do a 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' as root then try xmms |
| 05:07.20 | jetscreamer | id tells you your uid |
| 05:07.25 | jetscreamer | u...id... |
| 05:07.46 | Jeyrad | lol |
| 05:08.11 | slocate | i'm able to send email with outlook but not with thunderbird |
| 05:08.12 | cdc | ChrysalisM, no its not working still the same error |
| 05:08.16 | jetscreamer | bbl.... btw 24 is cdrom group |
| 05:08.27 | cdc | ChrysalisM, but it works perfectly in KDE |
| 05:08.35 | guestish | jetscreamer: that joke hurts... |
| 05:08.43 | jetscreamer | bbl :( |
| 05:08.46 | guestish | ;) |
| 05:08.59 | ChrysalisM | cdc: if you don't have the snd-pcm-oss module loaded its not going to work did it load after the modprobe |
| 05:09.10 | guestish | puns scare me |
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| 05:09.14 | ChrysalisM | cdc: lsmod | grep oss |
| 05:09.40 | cdc | ChrysalisM, i ve already done lsmod | grep oss |
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| 05:09.44 | Jeyrad | god i hate gnome |
| 05:09.54 | ChrysalisM | cdc: did you do the modprobe |
| 05:09.59 | cdc | yes ChrysalisM |
| 05:10.01 | Jeyrad | WHOA |
| 05:10.07 | cdc | i did and then tried out xmms |
| 05:10.10 | cdc | it didnt work |
| 05:10.11 | ChrysalisM | then lsmod again and see if it loaded |
| 05:10.13 | Jeyrad | it worked on root |
| 05:10.21 | Jeyrad | :D |
| 05:10.27 | ChrysalisM | snd-pcm-oss |
| 05:10.39 | cdc | snd_pcm_oss 48168 0 |
| 05:10.55 | ChrysalisM | thats good then |
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| 05:11.27 | cdc | ChrysalisM, but still not working |
| 05:11.29 | Jeyrad | how do i make it so users can use it? the UID thing? |
| 05:11.34 | cdc | even the sound mixer is not working |
| 05:11.52 | cdc | i think ALSA is not configured properly |
| 05:11.55 | cdc | right? |
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| 05:13.04 | ChrysalisM | cdc: what happens if you change to output plugin in xmms to alsa |
| 05:13.20 | Essobi | Any ideas why I don't have a /etc/ld.so.conf on a new install? |
| 05:13.22 | guestish | mmm...alsa |
| 05:13.43 | cdc | ChrysalisM, still the same error and same problem |
| 05:14.17 | ChrysalisM | whats does /var/log/syslog say about it |
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| 05:14.38 | excelblue | I always wondered, how much stuff do I have to download if I get a businesscard CD and do a netinstall of debian |
| 05:14.42 | excelblue | with only the base |
| 05:14.46 | excelblue | then, I aptget everything else |
| 05:14.54 | vulture | excelblue: depends how much stuff you want.. |
| 05:15.47 | zu22 | dmesg seems to only log kernel messages, is there way to log ALL startup messages on boot to a logfile? |
| 05:15.49 | guestish | excelblue: 100 megs or so |
| 05:16.06 | excelblue | I'll only do a base install |
| 05:16.14 | cdc | ChrysalisM, i guess i would switch back to KDE |
| 05:16.16 | cdc | :-( |
| 05:16.22 | guestish | whats the name of that stuff...something green |
| 05:16.31 | cdc | i think thats better KDE is the best i would say |
| 05:16.33 | excelblue | I just notice that whenever I do a netinstall, I'd select a reliable mirror or an unreliable one |
| 05:16.37 | cdc | :-) |
| 05:16.40 | guestish | soylent green |
| 05:16.41 | guestish | thats it |
| 05:16.43 | excelblue | if it's reliable, I press a few things, sleep, and it's installed 3hr later |
| 05:16.44 | guestish | !soylent green |
| 05:16.44 | dpkg | well, soylent green is "Made from the best stuff on Earth!" |
| 05:16.48 | excelblue | if it's unreliable, I see a red background |
| 05:16.51 | excelblue | and it's really fun |
| 05:16.51 | Jeyrad | jetscreamer? |
| 05:16.52 | guestish | mmmm...soylent green... |
| 05:17.00 | cdc | Gnome is just screwing things up |
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| 05:17.14 | ChrysalisM | cdc: i dont run either of them bloatware bastards |
| 05:17.25 | ChrysalisM | cdc: i like gnome better though |
| 05:17.40 | tzafrir_laptop | is there a reliable way to check for the existance of a mysaql database on the system that is cleaner than test -d /var/lib/mysql/database_name ? |
| 05:17.40 | guestish | what about gnome? |
| 05:17.41 | cdc | ChrysalisM, why is that |
| 05:17.45 | guestish | gnome is messed up for me |
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| 05:17.56 | ChrysalisM | i just like the way it looks |
| 05:17.57 | cdc | ChrysalisM, is gnome 2.8 really better than KDE 3.3.2? |
| 05:18.03 | guestish | cdc: yes |
| 05:18.04 | guestish | cdc: no |
| 05:18.05 | ChrysalisM | the widgets and such |
| 05:18.07 | guestish | cdc: maybe so |
| 05:18.17 | cdc | guestish, u use Gnome ? |
| 05:18.19 | Jeyrad | !ro-ntfs |
| 05:18.19 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 05:18.20 | guestish | cdc: ya |
| 05:18.23 | cdc | guestish, u like it ? |
| 05:18.29 | guestish | cdc: sure, its gnomey |
| 05:18.34 | guestish | cdc: though i disabled most of nautilus |
| 05:18.40 | cdc | guestish, better than kde ? |
| 05:18.56 | guestish | cdc: well kde is much more tightly integrated |
| 05:19.03 | guestish | cdc: aka more cpu usage :) |
| 05:19.14 | guestish | cdc: looks nice though |
| 05:19.23 | guestish | cdc: and it has a better cdburning frontend :) |
| 05:19.34 | cdc | guestish, u mean k3b? |
| 05:19.38 | guestish | yup |
| 05:19.38 | ChrysalisM | cdc: do a 'lsof | grep dsp' and see if anything shows up |
| 05:19.48 | cdc | ChrysalisM, one sec will do that |
| 05:20.22 | cdc | esd 2488 cdc 5w CHR 14,3 733648 /dev/dsp |
| 05:20.27 | slackd00d | does anyone know why when in synaptic i choose apache 1.3 it selects apache-utils2 instead of apache-util 1.3 |
| 05:20.37 | ChrysalisM | thats your problem |
| 05:20.50 | ChrysalisM | kill -9 2488 |
| 05:20.52 | Jeyrad | how do i find my UID? |
| 05:20.52 | cdc | ChrysalisM, hey tell me what should be done |
| 05:21.07 | cdc | ChrysalisM, done |
| 05:21.08 | cdc | then |
| 05:21.10 | ChrysalisM | cdc: or say killall esd |
| 05:21.22 | ChrysalisM | do the lsof and make sure its dead |
| 05:21.24 | ChrysalisM | then try xmms |
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| 05:21.50 | cdc | ChrysalisM, no |
| 05:21.52 | cdc | :-( |
| 05:22.01 | ChrysalisM | is it dead |
| 05:22.07 | cdc | yes |
| 05:22.11 | cdc | checked that |
| 05:22.12 | cdc | too |
| 05:22.19 | ChrysalisM | type esd do you hear beeps |
| 05:22.49 | cdc | unsupported playback rate: 44100 |
| 05:22.49 | cdc | Audio device open for 44.1Khz, stereo, 16bit failed |
| 05:22.49 | cdc | Trying 44.1Khz, 8bit stereo. |
| 05:22.49 | cdc | unsupported sound format: 32 |
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| 05:23.06 | cdc | ChrysalisM, thats what i got |
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| 05:23.10 | ChrysalisM | from esd |
| 05:23.43 | cdc | yes |
| 05:24.14 | guestish | cdc: heh |
| 05:24.45 | ChrysalisM | try fuser -k /dev/dsp as root and see if kills anything |
| 05:27.20 | Jeyrad | anyone know how i can find my uid? |
| 05:27.32 | guestish | Jeyrad: id' |
| 05:27.34 | guestish | Jeyrad: id |
| 05:27.39 | slackd00d | you the only user on the box besides root? |
| 05:27.43 | guestish | thank jetscreamer, not me |
| 05:27.54 | Jeyrad | just type id in a terminal? |
| 05:27.59 | guestish | im on a single user multiuser box! |
| 05:28.00 | guestish | ya |
| 05:28.05 | slackd00d | your probLLY 0 |
| 05:28.08 | slackd00d | opps |
| 05:28.09 | guestish | na, 1000 |
| 05:28.10 | Jeyrad | lolol |
| 05:28.10 | slackd00d | i mean 1000 |
| 05:28.11 | guestish | root is 0 |
| 05:28.16 | slackd00d | typo |
| 05:28.18 | guestish | :) |
| 05:28.33 | Jeyrad | 1000 off typo |
| 05:28.34 | Jeyrad | :P |
| 05:28.35 | guestish | toor is my friend... |
| 05:28.41 | guestish | !rot13 root |
| 05:28.42 | dpkg | ebbg |
| 05:28.44 | guestish | ebbg then |
| 05:28.59 | guestish | that would be a great nick...ebbg... |
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| 05:29.05 | slackd00d | !dpkg your so sexy |
| 05:29.12 | guestish | !your so sexy |
| 05:29.15 | guestish | lol |
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| 05:29.25 | guestish | !love slackd00d |
| 05:29.26 | Jeyrad | !sexy-beast |
| 05:29.32 | slackd00d | heh |
| 05:29.35 | Jeyrad | :P |
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| 05:29.50 | candy | hi |
| 05:29.54 | candy | hi |
| 05:29.56 | candy | ho |
| 05:29.57 | candy | hi |
| 05:29.59 | Jeyrad | !kick candy |
| 05:30.08 | slackd00d | !kick dpkg |
| 05:30.12 | candy | whos dis |
| 05:30.13 | slackd00d | heh |
| 05:30.15 | Jeyrad | hahaha |
| 05:30.24 | guestish | :) |
| 05:30.25 | zinx | spambot? |
| 05:30.28 | candy | wtf |
| 05:30.31 | guestish | poor dpkg |
| 05:30.33 | zinx | it's an odd creature, it is |
| 05:30.41 | guestish | !botabuse |
| 05:30.41 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 05:30.46 | ChrysalisM | that bot shit gets old pretty fast |
| 05:30.50 | Jeyrad | !ntfs |
| 05:30.50 | dpkg | i guess ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 05:31.04 | candy | hi |
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| 05:31.18 | Jeyrad | !superuser |
| 05:31.22 | Jeyrad | damn |
| 05:31.23 | Jeyrad | lol |
| 05:31.43 | candy | stop it |
| 05:31.48 | Jeyrad | shutup |
| 05:31.53 | ChrysalisM | too bad Linux doesnt run Counterstrike |
| 05:32.03 | Jeyrad | !kick bot |
| 05:32.58 | cdc | ChrysalisM, sound works now |
| 05:32.59 | cdc | :-) |
| 05:33.04 | cdc | ChrysalisM, thanks |
| 05:33.07 | cdc | ChrysalisM, made it work |
| 05:33.19 | guestish | !!! |
| 05:33.19 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 05:33.22 | guestish | you people scare me |
| 05:33.23 | ChrysalisM | cdc: something is grabbing it that shouldnt be in gnome |
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| 05:33.36 | Jeyrad | !apt-get |
| 05:33.36 | dpkg | methinks apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about apt-howto |
| 05:33.42 | ChrysalisM | cdc: what worked the fuser -k |
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| 05:33.52 | Jeyrad | methinks lol |
| 05:34.41 | ChrysalisM | cdc: whats a good band to listen to that I might not have in my 61G mp3 directory? |
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| 05:35.13 | cdc | ChrysalisM, i just selected esd as the plugin |
| 05:35.23 | cdc | ChrysalisM, instead of OSS and started esd again and it worked |
| 05:35.34 | cdc | but the volume control is not working :-) |
| 05:35.44 | ChrysalisM | cdc: sounds good then |
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| 05:36.23 | cdc | ChrysalisM, but when i executed gstreamer-properties i get an error |
| 05:38.00 | ChrysalisM | cdc: do you have that "Enable sound server at startup" checked in Desktop preferences sound |
| 05:38.07 | slackd00d | i remember seeing a screen shot before of a terminal open and the motd had the debian swirl logo written in ascii...anyone know where i could get it? or does anyone even know what im talking about? |
| 05:38.11 | cdc | ChrysalisM, yes |
| 05:38.59 | cdc | ChrysalisM, volume control is not working thats because i need gstreamer-esd plugin |
| 05:39.07 | ChrysalisM | cdc: try not checking that and just using the oss you might have to log in and out though to test it |
| 05:39.10 | cdc | ChrysalisM, how do i install gstreamer-esd plugin |
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| 05:40.23 | ChrysalisM | apt-get install gstreamer0.8-esd |
| 05:40.57 | TSGC | Hi, I'm installing Debian on my Dell laptop. I'm at the "Configuring Xserver-xfree86" screen and I'm not quite sure what to select. Any ideas? |
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| 05:41.28 | nevyn_ | TSGC: what videocard is in the laptop? |
| 05:42.01 | el_ | Why are package kept back? |
| 05:42.06 | el_ | packages^ |
| 05:42.11 | TSGC | nevyn: I'm not sure. Give me a second and I'll find out. |
| 05:42.44 | TSGC | nevyn: It's a Intel Corp. 82845G/GL. |
| 05:43.15 | ChrysalisM | TSGC: i810 |
| 05:43.27 | nevyn_ | TSGC: which debian are you trying to install? |
| 05:43.36 | TSGC | ChrysalisM: Thanks. |
| 05:43.47 | TSGC | nevyn: Woody, if that's what your asking. |
| 05:43.50 | YankDownUnder | Anyone using Sarge w/ the 2.6.8.1 kernel? |
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| 05:44.17 | cdc | ChrysalisM, there is a small problem |
| 05:44.23 | cdc | ChrysalisM, i ve installed esd plugin |
| 05:44.36 | guestish | cdc: why do you want esd anyways??? |
| 05:44.40 | guestish | cdc: its like arts, useless |
| 05:44.47 | cdc | and i ve also selected esd in gstreamer-properties but still not able to get volume control running |
| 05:44.53 | cdc | guestish, but thats what works :-) |
| 05:44.58 | guestish | cdc: no it doesnt! |
| 05:45.10 | guestish | cdc: it steals your dsp device and doesnt let anything else use it |
| 05:45.23 | cdc | guestish, what else should i use |
| 05:45.31 | TSGC | Anyone have any ideas on if I should use the kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 05:45.34 | guestish | cdc: esd uses either oss or alsa, its not a driver |
| 05:45.35 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 05:45.35 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a handful of three-legged platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 05:45.37 | ChrysalisM | TSGC: if you go to intel.com there is a driver they have that enables acceleration for a 82845G |
| 05:46.03 | TSGC | ChrysalisM: Thanks again. |
| 05:46.08 | guestish | sussudio: cool, me wanty |
| 05:46.16 | bjb | slackd00d, you mean like this? http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=548&page=1 |
| 05:46.23 | cdc | guestish, when i select oss its not working |
| 05:46.46 | guestish | cdc: cause esd is taking control |
| 05:46.53 | guestish | cdc: is this an alsa or oss driver you are using? |
| 05:46.59 | cdc | in xmms? |
| 05:47.08 | guestish | cdc: no, on your comp |
| 05:47.14 | slackd00d | bjb: thats it =) |
| 05:47.16 | slackd00d | thank you |
| 05:47.17 | cdc | how do i find out that |
| 05:47.35 | ChrysalisM | cdc: you are using alsa |
| 05:47.54 | guestish | cdc: lsmod | grep snd |
| 05:48.00 | guestish | cdc: you get anything its alsa, otherwise its oss |
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| 05:48.20 | cdc | its Oss |
| 05:48.32 | guestish | cdc: no results from lsmod | grep snd? |
| 05:48.40 | cdc | oops sorry its alsa |
| 05:48.41 | cdc | sorry |
| 05:48.47 | cdc | i get results so its alsa |
| 05:48.52 | cdc | sorry for that |
| 05:48.53 | guestish | cdc: k, then make sure your user is part of the group "audio" |
| 05:49.08 | cdc | how to check that ? :-( |
| 05:49.10 | guestish | cdc: id |
| 05:49.33 | guestish | cdc: then get rid of all your esd junk |
| 05:49.45 | cdc | guestish, how do i check that ? |
| 05:49.48 | guestish | cdc: id |
| 05:49.53 | cdc | id means |
| 05:49.55 | guestish | cdc: type in 'id' |
| 05:49.57 | guestish | :) |
| 05:50.01 | guestish | !id |
| 05:50.03 | dpkg | i heard id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n |
| 05:50.03 | cdc | ok then |
| 05:50.09 | guestish | bah, stupid factoid |
| 05:50.11 | TSGC | Hi, again. Debian is giving errors in the unpacking stage. Is everything okay? |
| 05:50.24 | guestish | TSGC: is it an error? |
| 05:50.28 | cdc | uid=1000(balaji) gid=1000(balaji) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),1000(balaji) |
| 05:50.33 | cdc | guestish, this is wht i get |
| 05:50.40 | guestish | cdc: are you a member of audio? |
| 05:50.45 | guestish | cdc: read the line carefully and let me know |
| 05:51.04 | cdc | yes 29(audio) |
| 05:51.05 | el_ | Hey, anyone know why packages are being kept back when I apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 05:51.05 | cdc | right? |
| 05:51.13 | TSGC | guestish: It said that it had multiple errors and it was going to continue to install packages. |
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| 05:51.39 | guestish | TSGC: beats me then |
| 05:51.42 | guestish | cdc: yup |
| 05:51.47 | guestish | cdc: now stop esd |
| 05:51.53 | TSGC | guestish: Thanks anyway! |
| 05:52.13 | cdc | ok then |
| 05:52.26 | cdc | guestish, now what? |
| 05:52.34 | guestish | cdc: now go into xmms |
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| 05:52.40 | cdc | ok then |
| 05:52.41 | guestish | cdc: change the output plugin to alsa |
| 05:53.05 | cdc | guestish, its not working |
| 05:53.07 | cdc | :-( |
| 05:53.20 | guestish | cdc: did you change the plugin? |
| 05:53.23 | TSGC | Okay. Something is screwed up. It is continiously flashing the error: "gzip: stdout: No space left on device. Failed to preserve keymap!" |
| 05:53.26 | cdc | yes |
| 05:53.28 | guestish | cdc: and stop esd forcefully? |
| 05:53.31 | ChrysalisM | guestish: i already had him do this stuff |
| 05:53.42 | guestish | cdc: now what format is the file you are playing? |
| 05:53.42 | ChrysalisM | cant hurt to try it again though |
| 05:53.44 | cdc | guestish, i killed it |
| 05:53.56 | guestish | cdc: what format is the file? |
| 05:54.02 | cdc | guestish, mp3 |
| 05:54.10 | ChrysalisM | TSGC: you dont have enough space for what you are trying to install |
| 05:54.19 | guestish | cdc: have you tried a different file? |
| 05:54.28 | cdc | tried it |
| 05:54.33 | cdc | does not work |
| 05:54.41 | guestish | how many files haveyou tried? |
| 05:54.45 | cdc | many |
| 05:54.50 | TSGC | ChrysalisM: I have over 60GB of space on the emtpy hard drive. Shouldn't that be enough for everything? |
| 05:54.53 | cdc | all of them are mp3 |
| 05:54.56 | guestish | cdc: try a different program |
| 05:54.59 | guestish | cdc: get xine |
| 05:55.04 | ChrysalisM | TSGC: should be |
| 05:55.07 | guestish | cdc: er, totem i mean |
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| 05:56.13 | guestish | cdc: apt-get install totem |
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| 05:56.23 | cdc | guestish, it works in totem |
| 05:56.29 | TSGC | ChrysalisM: It's now flashing "open: NO space left on device" |
| 05:56.29 | cdc | :-) |
| 05:56.32 | guestish | cdc: then its a xmms problem |
| 05:56.36 | guestish | cdc: scrap xmms :) |
| 05:56.51 | cdc | guestish, still not able to start volume control |
| 05:56.54 | cdc | why is that |
| 05:56.55 | guestish | cdc: i hate it anyways, its too old |
| 05:57.00 | cdc | it says no mixers found |
| 05:57.00 | guestish | cdc: try running alsamixer |
| 05:57.01 | cdc | :-( |
| 05:57.28 | guestish | and alsamixer? |
| 05:57.41 | cdc | i have alsamixergui alone |
| 05:57.43 | cdc | its not working |
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| 05:57.47 | guestish | install alsamixer and run it |
| 05:58.06 | drac | devices not created? udev? |
| 05:58.33 | TSGC | ChrysalisM: I'm just going to give up and reinstall XP. Hm... |
| 05:58.35 | cdc | it says couldnt find package alsa-mixer |
| 05:58.41 | guestish | cdc: alsamixer, not alsa-mixer |
| 05:59.16 | cdc | yes not working |
| 05:59.21 | cdc | thats not the package |
| 05:59.22 | cdc | i guess |
| 05:59.29 | guestish | install alsa-utils |
| 05:59.34 | guestish | and alsa-base |
| 05:59.53 | drac | and udev? |
| 05:59.57 | cdc | installing alsa-utils |
| 05:59.58 | guestish | screw udev =P |
| 06:00.00 | cdc | what player do u use |
| 06:00.03 | drac | :) |
| 06:00.04 | guestish | udev is the devil |
| 06:00.08 | guestish | the devil i say! |
| 06:00.10 | cdc | guestish, i use sarge cant i install amarok? |
| 06:00.13 | ChrysalisM | TSGC: dont give you must have chosen something wrong |
| 06:00.17 | ChrysalisM | give up |
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| 06:00.25 | cdc | or is there any other player than xmms |
| 06:00.26 | guestish | cdc: sure, why not |
| 06:00.34 | guestish | cdc: there are a million ones |
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| 06:00.41 | cdc | guestish, what do u use? |
| 06:00.41 | guestish | cdc: totem has a cool visulation thingy |
| 06:00.43 | guestish | cdc: me? mplayer |
| 06:00.44 | Unition- | openbsd > debian ? |
| 06:00.47 | guestish | cdc: texty goodness |
| 06:00.48 | slackd00d | i love amarok |
| 06:00.50 | slackd00d | = ) |
| 06:00.53 | ChrysalisM | cdc: uncheck that start sound server at startup, logout, and reboot and see if its still broken |
| 06:00.59 | guestish | Unition-: nay my misguided friend |
| 06:01.05 | Unition- | :) |
| 06:01.10 | guestish | :) |
| 06:01.15 | guestish | !educate Unition- |
| 06:01.17 | cdc | guestish, but every time i have to add files manually |
| 06:01.20 | guestish | oh come on... |
| 06:01.24 | guestish | cdc: for what? totem? |
| 06:01.27 | guestish | cdc: theres a playlist |
| 06:01.28 | cdc | guestish, yes |
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| 06:01.41 | ChrysalisM | xmms is the best |
| 06:01.49 | guestish | cdc: under view |
| 06:01.54 | TSGC | I'm going to just hit the sack, goodnight all. Thanks to guestish and ChrysalisM for the help! |
| 06:02.03 | guestish | i didnt do anything... |
| 06:02.06 | guestish | o_O |
| 06:02.15 | el_ | Hey, anyone know why packages are being kept back when I apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 06:02.23 | el_ | Just curious |
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| 06:02.30 | guestish | el_: yes |
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| 06:02.40 | ChrysalisM | i got a 13 thousand mp3 playlist and xmms works just fine |
| 06:02.41 | Unition- | guestish what makes debain great ? |
| 06:02.44 | guestish | Unition-: pie |
| 06:02.48 | soundmaster80 | hi, i'm getting this weird error message when starting firefox |
| 06:02.48 | soundmaster80 | GLib-ERROR **: The thread system is not yet initialized |
| 06:02.48 | soundmaster80 | it worked when i first installed it, i updated the system and now i get that message |
| 06:02.49 | guestish | Unition-: lots of pie |
| 06:02.50 | el_ | What? |
| 06:02.56 | guestish | el_: i said yes |
| 06:02.57 | guestish | :) |
| 06:03.04 | el_ | lol, so tell me |
| 06:03.05 | el_ | :) |
| 06:03.09 | guestish | el_: ooohhh, ok |
| 06:03.24 | guestish | el_: either its a pinned package or it cant be upgraded due to lack of dependency availibility |
| 06:03.36 | el_ | well, its apt and apt-utils |
| 06:04.03 | soundmaster80 | anyone got any idea about my problem....i could really use the help |
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| 06:04.35 | cdc | guestish, installed alsabase and alsautils |
| 06:04.36 | bob2 | hah, ANU |
| 06:04.45 | guestish | cdc: now try |
| 06:04.48 | Unition- | pie can be used on other distro's aswell ? |
| 06:04.53 | cdc | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device] |
| 06:04.54 | abrocadabro | hi there, how can I force postmaster to send root an email for testing? |
| 06:04.56 | guestish | cdc: and do /etc/init.d/alsa start |
| 06:05.00 | cdc | guestish, this is what i get |
| 06:05.03 | Unition- | like gentoo |
| 06:05.05 | guestish | Unition-: nope, a debian exclusive |
| 06:05.29 | guestish | cdc: do ^^^ |
| 06:05.36 | guestish | Unition-: we are proud pie people |
| 06:05.39 | bob2 | abrocadabro: same way you normally sen demail... |
| 06:05.43 | cdc | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 06:05.48 | guestish | cdc: ....do the init.d thingy |
| 06:05.59 | cdc | guestish, this is what i get after i did init.d |
| 06:06.10 | guestish | cdc: print the line after you did the init.d thing |
| 06:06.23 | guestish | cdc: paste it |
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| 06:06.48 | abrocadabro | bob2: what way would that be? |
| 06:07.15 | Unition- | so pie just breaks programs up in the memory ? |
| 06:07.16 | cdc | Invalid card number. |
| 06:07.17 | cdc | Usage: amixer <options> command |
| 06:07.18 | soundmaster80 | well, ok guess no one has a clue about mine |
| 06:07.22 | bob2 | abrocadabro: with mutt/mail/nail/etc, as you normally do. |
| 06:07.27 | guestish | soundmaster80: try irc.gimp.net |
| 06:07.27 | Unition- | so people cant use the memory space for exploits ? |
| 06:07.30 | soundmaster80 | thanks anyways :) |
| 06:07.35 | guestish | Unition-: sure, whatever |
| 06:07.36 | bob2 | do you mean PaX? |
| 06:07.36 | soundmaster80 | oh |
| 06:07.42 | Unition- | ? |
| 06:07.44 | soundmaster80 | gimp?? |
| 06:07.49 | soundmaster80 | ok...thanks i will |
| 06:07.51 | guestish | soundmaster80: hrm |
| 06:07.52 | guestish | soundmaster80: wait |
| 06:07.52 | cdc | guestish, what is it |
| 06:07.56 | soundmaster80 | ok |
| 06:08.00 | guestish | soundmaster80: irc.mozdev.org |
| 06:08.04 | guestish | soundmaster80: ask the firefox people |
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| 06:08.09 | soundmaster80 | oh....duh |
| 06:08.16 | guestish | cdc: oh, thats for multiple sound cards |
| 06:08.19 | guestish | cdc: if you have'm |
| 06:08.23 | cdc | guestish, no |
| 06:08.24 | abrocadabro | bob2: what i am trying to do is that if cron job fails, it sends a mai to root, and my email is aliased with root so eventually the system notification(email) goes to my account |
| 06:08.26 | cdc | :-( |
| 06:08.30 | guestish | cdc: such as an integrated one |
| 06:08.34 | cdc | i ve an onboard sound card |
| 06:08.35 | cdc | thats it |
| 06:08.36 | soundmaster80 | it ran once....and i added the unstable repository and updated my system from there |
| 06:08.40 | guestish | cdc: only 1? |
| 06:08.42 | soundmaster80 | from then on i get that message |
| 06:08.44 | guestish | cdc: no pci card? |
| 06:08.46 | cdc | yes |
| 06:08.49 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 06:08.49 | cdc | no |
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| 06:08.53 | guestish | cdc: ??? which is it? |
| 06:09.05 | cdc | AC97 |
| 06:09.11 | guestish | ah, k |
| 06:09.15 | jetscreamer | cdc that's ac97 compliant |
| 06:09.25 | guestish | cdc: do /etc/init.d/alsa force-restart, and paste the output |
| 06:09.26 | jetscreamer | what exact chip |
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| 06:09.38 | abrocadabro | bob2: but i think all other system failures are sent to postmaster then forwarded to root then to me |
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| 06:10.54 | McQuaid | Hello, does anyone use totem in sid? |
| 06:11.02 | jetscreamer | lspci -vv |grep audio |
| 06:11.05 | guestish | McQuaid: no |
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| 06:11.30 | guestish | McQuaid: actually most likely yes, if you want a not so scarcastic answer :) |
| 06:11.39 | Joris | I have a MTU/MSS problem while masquerading an adsl pppoe connection, despite having applied the fix |
| 06:11.49 | jetscreamer | i refuse, totem-xine borks with dual heads |
| 06:11.58 | McQuaid | hmm, my system was grinding there a sec, forgot i had that gnome osd thing for xchat |
| 06:12.29 | McQuaid | the reason I ask about totem, is it has been crashing on me on launch for the last couple of weeks, not sure what I updated that started this |
| 06:12.43 | guestish | jetscreamer: bork bork bork! |
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| 06:12.55 | McQuaid | but anyways there was a new release yesterday and they closed the crash bug for this but it's still crashing for me |
| 06:13.02 | McQuaid | wondering if it's happening to anyone else |
| 06:13.07 | Halahad | "shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x5" what is shpchp and pciehp?? |
| 06:13.17 | guestish | it crashes when it tap it the wrong way, but other than that its fine |
| 06:13.22 | guestish | so just use gxine =P |
| 06:13.40 | guestish | cdc: wakey wakey |
| 06:13.44 | McQuaid | i'm talking about this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289470 |
| 06:13.53 | McQuaid | gxine, bleh don't really like it |
| 06:14.05 | guestish | well bleh to you too =P |
| 06:14.22 | McQuaid | do you use totem or gxine? |
| 06:14.31 | McQuaid | what i'm getting at is have you launched totem recently in sid? |
| 06:14.47 | guestish | yes, 5 seconds ago |
| 06:14.51 | McQuaid | ah |
| 06:14.53 | guestish | :) |
| 06:15.17 | McQuaid | hmm, i think i've let some pkgs slip in from other sources or something |
| 06:15.21 | factor | I dont know if anyone had answered my question earlier, I am having a problem with gnome-spanel, and I need to install some of the other progs, but it wont let me. what option do I use to bypass that error. |
| 06:15.36 | McQuaid | is there a cmd to force reinstallation of all dependancies? |
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| 06:15.45 | guestish | if there is i dunno it |
| 06:16.44 | factor | is anyone else haveing problems with gnome-panel? |
| 06:16.51 | factor | or is this just a local problem |
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| 06:16.57 | factor | with the latest debian relsease. |
| 06:17.00 | guestish | factor: aye, i am |
| 06:17.02 | guestish | factor: on sid |
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| 06:17.04 | factor | k |
| 06:17.06 | factor | thanks |
| 06:17.10 | McQuaid | what problem with the panel? |
| 06:17.24 | guestish | its all white when i start up gnome |
| 06:17.34 | McQuaid | yesh |
| 06:17.37 | factor | I use kde |
| 06:17.41 | factor | so it is ok. |
| 06:17.47 | guestish | McQuaid: yuppers |
| 06:17.49 | factor | but I can not load any other progs. |
| 06:17.53 | guestish | o_OOOOO |
| 06:18.04 | Halahad | pciehp and shpchp fail to load, any solution here?? how to disable this error message? |
| 06:18.27 | guestish | never heard of it |
| 06:19.28 | cdc | guestish, i am sorry i was not at desk |
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| 06:19.35 | cdc | guestish, sorry for the delay |
| 06:19.45 | McQuaid | i don't have that, mabye there were some releases since last night |
| 06:19.46 | guestish | cdc: paste away! :) |
| 06:19.55 | McQuaid | tha problem i mean |
| 06:20.10 | cdc | Invalid card number. |
| 06:20.10 | cdc | Usage: amixer <options> command |
| 06:20.11 | Elimin8or | I keep getting this error everytime I do make on an eggdrop bot and many other scripts as well: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <-- any idea on how to fix this? |
| 06:20.16 | cdc | guestish, this is what i get |
| 06:20.31 | guestish | cdc: with /etc/init.d/alsa? |
| 06:20.36 | cdc | yes |
| 06:20.37 | guestish | cdc: well uh...that is a problem... |
| 06:20.42 | guestish | cdc: a very large problem... |
| 06:20.50 | guestish | cdc: means your alsa install is borked, borked borked |
| 06:20.58 | cdc | guestish, thats what i told u my alsa is not properly installed :-) |
| 06:21.00 | cdc | i guess |
| 06:21.06 | guestish | cdc: you tried #alsa/ |
| 06:21.07 | guestish | ? |
| 06:21.09 | cdc | guestish, now how do i solve this issue |
| 06:21.11 | cdc | no |
| 06:21.21 | guestish | well ask them |
| 06:21.26 | guestish | they made the thing afterall |
| 06:21.27 | cdc | :-( |
| 06:21.36 | guestish | tell them that /etc/init.d/alsa start is failing |
| 06:21.43 | guestish | it means your driver isnt properly installed |
| 06:21.46 | cdc | k |
| 06:22.30 | chealer | Halahad: what kernel? |
| 06:23.10 | guestish | cdc: yes im handing you off, but its cause im lost as to how to fix it |
| 06:23.17 | guestish | cdc: i dont know much about the inner workings of alsa |
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| 06:23.52 | cdc | guestish, i got the answer |
| 06:23.59 | cdc | the answer is sarge currently has a nice, broken alsa thanks to some overly-zealous versioning |
| 06:24.01 | guestish | cdc: wow, that was fast |
| 06:24.06 | McQuaid | i just got dmix/dsnoop stuff working, get sound in pretty much everything now, but some video files have a little static for some reason |
| 06:24.08 | cdc | sarge currently has a nice, broken alsa thanks to some overly-zealous versioning |
| 06:24.13 | guestish | cdc: very fast |
| 06:24.22 | first | cdc, have you run alsaconf? |
| 06:24.23 | cdc | tomorrow afternoon it will be fixed in sid, and within 3 days those packages will propagate into sarge |
| 06:24.29 | guestish | cdc: well then, just wait i guess |
| 06:24.33 | McQuaid | and the esddaemon doens't seem to play nice when using gdmflexiserver |
| 06:24.48 | factor | does anyone know if the gnome-panel issue is being resolved? |
| 06:25.24 | McQuaid | hmm, i jsut updated last night, i don't seem to have this panel prob |
| 06:25.26 | guestish | factor: beats me |
| 06:25.36 | cdc | first, i just executed alsaconf |
| 06:25.37 | cdc | now what |
| 06:26.03 | first | cdc: go through all the steps, and when it's finished, try `aplay -l` I think, to list cards |
| 06:26.14 | cdc | first, it configured my card |
| 06:26.44 | guestish | according to this i have 2 cards and 40 or so channels |
| 06:26.51 | guestish | when i only have 1 o_O |
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| 06:27.06 | first | cdc, does it show your card in the list now? |
| 06:27.06 | cdc | its a problem i guess |
| 06:27.11 | cdc | first, yes |
| 06:27.17 | m0rbid | any program that will take snapshots off my webcam? |
| 06:27.19 | first | well, try to play a sound |
| 06:27.40 | first | try `aplay something.wav` |
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| 06:28.29 | cdc | no its a problem in sarge |
| 06:28.37 | cdc | thats why its behaving like this |
| 06:28.43 | cdc | thts what ppl in alsa told me |
| 06:28.48 | cdc | thats in sarge alsa is broken |
| 06:28.53 | first | hm...well, I'm on sarge and it works...but I installed it...yesterday |
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| 06:29.29 | cdc | first, but here it does not work :-( |
| 06:29.30 | cdc | unusual |
| 06:29.41 | cdc | ALSA lib confmisc.c:550:(snd_determine_driver) could not open control for card 0 |
| 06:29.41 | cdc | ALSA lib conf.c:3463:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device |
| 06:29.57 | cdc | when i executed aplay 1.mp3 i got the above error |
| 06:30.04 | cdc | first, that was the error that i got |
| 06:30.08 | abrocadabro | hi, i have changed my proxy setting in /etc/profile, $home/.bashrc , but every time i reboot the machine the settings went back to the old version, where else should i make changes to ? |
| 06:30.16 | first | cdc, wait I guess, or force the alsa packages to use the versions in sid |
| 06:30.57 | McQuaid | where else would load a module besides /etc/modules? the lp module keeps getting loaded when i start gnome and i always manually remove it |
| 06:31.10 | first | mcquaid did you run modconf? |
| 06:31.24 | McQuaid | nope |
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| 06:31.35 | first | try that, might help |
| 06:31.37 | McQuaid | i believe it started when i installed gnome cups |
| 06:31.41 | McQuaid | alright i'll try that |
| 06:32.02 | McQuaid | it's conflicts with gamcon, so i don't want lp loaded as my printer is usb |
| 06:32.03 | nvz | McQuaid: well could be discover, hotplug, or if you have automatic module loading in the kernel, it will load modules on demand |
| 06:32.22 | McQuaid | i think it's hotplug |
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| 06:32.31 | nvz | modconf just runs modprobe and modifies /etc/modules |
| 06:32.44 | McQuaid | how would i stop hotplug from doing this? |
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| 06:33.05 | nvz | I'd just kill hotplug |
| 06:33.12 | Charmy | Can anyone help? I can't get X to run. http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=31471 this is my error log. |
| 06:33.18 | nvz | like apt-get --purge remove hotplug |
| 06:33.28 | Charmy | Xserver 3.x in SVGA runs, Xserver 4.x in VESA runs, but Xserver 4.x in rendition does not. |
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| 06:33.46 | nvz | cdc: I just dont like gnome-session and megashitty |
| 06:34.07 | McQuaid | well, how do i permanently kill hotplug? |
| 06:34.13 | McQuaid | ah nm |
| 06:34.16 | bob2 | you don't |
| 06:34.41 | guestish | McQuaid: with a shotgun and a stiff drink |
| 06:34.45 | nvz | you can blacklist modules in hotplug if its really the problem, but I dont know how.. I think purging it is easier |
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| 06:34.58 | bob2 | gah |
| 06:35.02 | McQuaid | i only recently installed gnome, always used xfce, but i reallly gnome so far |
| 06:35.04 | bob2 | stop giving such terrible advice |
| 06:35.09 | nvz | heh |
| 06:35.09 | bob2 | \edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 06:35.10 | guestish | bob2: :) |
| 06:35.18 | McQuaid | btw, is fam borked in gnome, nautilus was crawling until i switched to ganim |
| 06:35.21 | guestish | bob2: but i feel scarcastic tonight |
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| 06:35.32 | bob2 | if you tell people to remove hotplug, I espect you to sit here all night and manually figure out which modules they need to load |
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| 06:35.38 | bob2 | McQuaid: gnome doesn't use fam anymore |
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| 06:35.45 | cdc | everything works perfectly in KDE |
| 06:35.49 | guestish | cdc: cool |
| 06:36.17 | bob2 | as it does in gnome |
| 06:36.21 | bob2 | and gnome even Depends on gamin now |
| 06:36.21 | guestish | how many modules are there in a kernel... |
| 06:36.41 | McQuaid | hmm, sid didn't intall it for me |
| 06:36.44 | cdc | guestish, KDE is perfect but Gnome is the problem |
| 06:36.46 | cdc | :-) |
| 06:36.52 | McQuaid | jsut reading about fam, i discovered ganim |
| 06:36.54 | Charmy | Anyone have any idea what I can do about this server crash? Its the right driver, and the card is detected properly.. why on earth would it crash? |
| 06:36.59 | guestish | cdc: so sad |
| 06:37.11 | guestish | Charmy: there are more reasons then grains of sand |
| 06:37.18 | guestish | Charmy: meaning i have NFI |
| 06:37.23 | cdc | guestish, thought of switching to gnome but would stay with KDE itself |
| 06:37.27 | Charmy | guestish: =( |
| 06:37.30 | cdc | i have installed kde 3.3.2 |
| 06:37.39 | guestish | cdc: go for it |
| 06:37.43 | McQuaid | what is it you like about kde over gnome? jsut curious |
| 06:37.43 | Charmy | guestish: But it does work when using VESA.. |
| 06:37.58 | guestish | Charmy: im sorry, im going to go to sleep, ask bob2 |
| 06:38.00 | cdc | guestish, go for it ? it means ? :-) |
| 06:38.07 | Charmy | bob2: Do you know..? |
| 06:38.19 | bob2 | because some drivers are buggy |
| 06:38.20 | bob2 | file bugs |
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| 06:38.26 | bob2 | the X FAQ explains how |
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| 06:38.43 | guestish | cdc: whatever i want it to |
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| 06:39.11 | cdc | u mean the one that works perfectly is yes then its KDE |
| 06:39.20 | bob2 | lord |
| 06:39.35 | bob2 | just because you like making your eyes bleed doesn't mean you need to inflict it on everyone |
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| 06:39.42 | guestish | bob2: religion does not exist in this channel |
| 06:39.44 | McQuaid | heh |
| 06:40.00 | guestish | bob2: you a soylent green fan? |
| 06:40.03 | vordul | Bottle - I'd suggest http://www.autogk.net/ |
| 06:40.03 | vordul | AutoGK |
| 06:40.17 | bob2 | guestish: soylent cola's my favourite. |
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| 06:40.30 | McQuaid | i've been playing with gdmflexiserver for multiple users, works ok but it's too bad that there isn't a tie in to xscreensaver |
| 06:41.00 | factor | how do I downgrade a package? |
| 06:41.05 | bob2 | you can't, generally |
| 06:41.12 | bob2 | why do you want to? |
| 06:41.27 | factor | gnome-panel is borked. |
| 06:41.29 | guestish | factor: snapshot.debian.net |
| 06:41.44 | bob2 | not all packages are downgradable |
| 06:41.48 | bob2 | but that one probably is |
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| 06:42.01 | Charmy | bob2: I was told by Guestish you might be able to help me? |
| 06:42.11 | bob2 | 16:38:19 bob2 | because some drivers are buggy |
| 06:42.11 | bob2 | 16:38:20 bob2 | file bugs |
| 06:42.12 | McQuaid | thats the only thing i dislike with apt, there's no going back |
| 06:42.13 | bob2 | 16:38:26 bob2 | the X FAQ explains how |
| 06:42.20 | bob2 | McQuaid: no, that's not true |
| 06:42.27 | bob2 | and it's extremely complicated to fix |
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| 06:42.38 | rituraj | i am willing to become new maintainer |
| 06:42.52 | bob2 | think about it...everytime a package upgrades some data file to a new format, you want the package to include a tool to convert it back |
| 06:42.53 | rituraj | i have chosen a package from wnpp web page |
| 06:42.59 | rituraj | how do i contact the author? |
| 06:43.01 | bob2 | what if the new format stores more information than the old one? |
| 06:43.07 | bob2 | rituraj: email them |
| 06:43.12 | rituraj | directly |
| 06:43.15 | rituraj | ? |
| 06:43.18 | dondelelcaro | rituraj: read through the nm guide, see nm.debian.org; and/or find a sponsor for your package. |
| 06:43.21 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 06:43.22 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 06:43.25 | bob2 | you're being too vague, too |
| 06:43.44 | bob2 | if you want to follow up to a RFA, O or RFP, just package it and sponsorwhore on debian-mentors@lists.d.o |
| 06:43.54 | McQuaid | then it should be backwards and forwards compatible, the old version should be designed in a way that it would ignore new/unknown data |
| 06:44.06 | bob2 | hahahahaha |
| 06:44.08 | bob2 | hahahahahahahaha |
| 06:44.14 | gartt | What makes debian robust? Pardon the dumb question |
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| 06:44.24 | bob2 | you should send patches to, say, the BDB authors |
| 06:44.26 | gartt | Is it the pkg management system? |
| 06:44.27 | bob2 | and postgresql |
| 06:44.27 | guestish | gartt: good eatin' |
| 06:44.28 | bob2 | and mysql |
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| 06:44.38 | dondelelcaro | gartt: policy, primarily. |
| 06:44.40 | McQuaid | why is that funny |
| 06:44.43 | guestish | gartt: and a healthy lifestyle |
| 06:44.48 | gartt | dondelelcaro: What do you mean? |
| 06:44.52 | dondelelcaro | !policy |
| 06:44.53 | dpkg | i heard policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/, the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices |
| 06:44.54 | bob2 | McQuaid: think about all the random binary file formats in the world |
| 06:44.58 | dondelelcaro | gartt: see above |
| 06:44.59 | gartt | k |
| 06:45.08 | bob2 | McQuaid: and you want everyone of them to be reversible |
| 06:45.12 | guestish | gartt: the debian packaging guidelines are extremely strict encouraging very good controll of what goes in and out |
| 06:45.23 | bob2 | McQuaid: and every program to be able to handle having random bits of information disappear from their data files |
| 06:45.31 | guestish | gartt: meaning that after 3 levels of testing and relocation of files it runs awfully good :) |
| 06:45.50 | gartt | I see |
| 06:46.00 | McQuaid | yes i do, and it's doable, if a designer builds a program that way |
| 06:46.05 | bob2 | indeed |
| 06:46.09 | bob2 | but extremely complicated |
| 06:46.15 | bob2 | and pointless in the vast majority of cases |
| 06:46.20 | gartt | But if an app doesn't exist as a deb package, what do you do: |
| 06:46.23 | gartt | ?* |
| 06:46.33 | bob2 | gartt: that very rarely happens in practice |
| 06:46.40 | McQuaid | i grab what ever dev libs i need an compile myself |
| 06:46.44 | jagerman | McQuaid: For a software designer, it is very nice and *useful* to start over once in a while |
| 06:46.47 | dondelelcaro | gartt: usually it already exists. If it doesn't, you package it, ask someone else to package it, or just install it. |
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| 06:46.55 | guestish | gartt: pray to the debian gods |
| 06:46.57 | McQuaid | but i've never liked doing that, i tried checkinstall but fails sometimes |
| 06:47.01 | guestish | gartt: or install an unofficial package |
| 06:47.03 | jagerman | Otherwise your design can start to be held back due to maintaining legacy crud |
| 06:47.11 | gartt | ah |
| 06:47.12 | McQuaid | is it easy for one to build his own debs when compiling something? |
| 06:47.16 | bob2 | yes |
| 06:47.18 | guestish | it takes FOREVER to get a package through debian's guidelines |
| 06:47.21 | bob2 | if you have a bit of practice |
| 06:47.24 | guestish | and i mean forever |
| 06:47.26 | guestish | !sing sarge |
| 06:47.26 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 06:47.38 | guestish | its insane |
| 06:47.38 | dondelelcaro | guestish: nah, it's pretty easy if you know what you're doing |
| 06:47.45 | chealer | guestish: forever? |
| 06:47.55 | guestish | dondelelcaro: i see some packages on the waiting list that have been there like a half a year |
| 06:47.59 | guestish | chealer: near enough :) |
| 06:48.10 | dondelelcaro | guestish: oh, well that's usually because people aren't interested in them at all |
| 06:48.13 | McQuaid | hell, i dunno, maybe even hold a backup cfg files for last install, so one can go back gracefully |
| 06:48.15 | bob2 | guestish: some stuff isn't ready to be in Debian yet, too |
| 06:48.20 | guestish | dondelelcaro: tvtime took a long time =( |
| 06:48.20 | bob2 | McQuaid: send a patch |
| 06:48.29 | bob2 | McQuaid: it's an enormous amount of work for no gain for most people |
| 06:48.39 | guestish | bob2: i guess |
| 06:48.43 | guestish | anyways thats why i dont use stable |
| 06:48.44 | bob2 | e.g. I have an outstanding ITP because the upstream wanted me to wait |
| 06:48.57 | bob2 | which reminds me, it's time for the 6-monthly ping ;) |
| 06:49.00 | McQuaid | believe me, i know this ain't going anywhere in deb, but i think it's a flaw nonetheless |
| 06:49.11 | bob2 | McQuaid: it's a huge amount of work |
| 06:49.17 | bob2 | if you want it done in debian, do it |
| 06:49.21 | dondelelcaro | McQuaid: then do the work to fix the flaw. |
| 06:49.26 | bob2 | it's soooooooooooo little gain, tho |
| 06:49.52 | McQuaid | example, my gf has her resume it abiword, sometime last year an update borked abiword, my gf said go back a version |
| 06:49.54 | Charmy | Calling for help again in case anyone knows... I can't get X to run. http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=31471 this is my error log. |
| 06:49.56 | bob2 | yeah |
| 06:50.04 | dondelelcaro | McQuaid: so go back a version |
| 06:50.05 | bob2 | Charmy: er, are you just ignoring me or what? |
| 06:50.13 | bob2 | Charmy: the X FAQ explains how to usefully report a bug |
| 06:50.15 | Charmy | bob2: This is the first message i've got from ya |
| 06:50.16 | McQuaid | ya so how with apt? |
| 06:50.16 | guestish | McQuaid: institute it if you, if not then dont |
| 06:50.24 | dondelelcaro | McQuaid: man apt-get; read about = |
| 06:50.40 | bob2 | McQuaid: point it at snapshot.debian.net for the day you want, then use the apt-get install blah=2.3 syntax |
| 06:50.43 | Charmy | bob2: Okay, I'll report it then. |
| 06:50.51 | bob2 | 16:42:12 bob2 | 16:38:19 bob2 | because some drivers are buggy |
| 06:50.54 | bob2 | 16:42:12 bob2 | 16:38:20 bob2 | file bugs |
| 06:50.56 | bob2 | Charmy: ^ |
| 06:50.58 | bob2 | 16:42:14 bob2 | 16:38:26 bob2 | the X FAQ explains how |
| 06:51.08 | Charmy | bob2: oh, you didn't use my name, so i didn't see it, sorry. |
| 06:51.09 | McQuaid | ok didn't know about snapshot, good to know |
| 06:51.16 | dondelelcaro | man, that's like the third time... |
| 06:52.09 | gartt | How much of a distro like debian is done by Ian to make it debian and how much of it is just the kernel? |
| 06:52.30 | bob2 | Ian does nothing anymore. |
| 06:52.34 | gartt | I never understood how big the kernel was to the rest of what makes it a distro |
| 06:52.39 | bob2 | the kernel is a very very very very small part |
| 06:52.54 | dondelelcaro | gartt: that's a meaningless question. There are almost 1k developers and thosands of non-developers who work on Debian |
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| 06:53.03 | chealer | that's what RMS says at least :) |
| 06:53.19 | dondelelcaro | chealer: in terms of LoC, it is, actually... |
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| 06:54.49 | chealer | yeah I know, I don't know why I said that (maybe time for sleep). I also think GNU/Linux is the right order |
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| 06:55.27 | dondelelcaro | chealer: oh, that's what you're talking about. *shrug* a name's just a name. |
| 06:55.31 | McQuaid | bob2: i missed your comment on it being bad to remove hotplug, i've never needed it before, can't see what it would screw up now |
| 06:56.01 | bob2 | McQuaid: it loads modules for you on boot |
| 06:56.05 | arcseconds | a name by any other rose would smell as sweet. |
| 06:56.25 | dondelelcaro | arcseconds: your rosing leaves much to be desired |
| 06:56.31 | McQuaid | hmm, well what i mean is, prior to me installing gnome and hotplug, all my modules loaded fine and dandy |
| 06:56.51 | bob2 | ok |
| 06:57.14 | McQuaid | so why wouldn't they continue to so |
| 06:57.26 | bob2 | ok |
| 06:57.46 | alfTx | ok... things are going pretty well with my decision to move from mdk to deb (sarge) ... seem to be resolving most of my problems without assistance but this one is a bummer.. i have a plantonics usb headset plugged in AND a SB Live PCI card installed at the same time during the install. Now all I get sound from is the headset... Installed ALSA cause I noticed it was missing but still no luck... Any ideas?? TIA mike.. |
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| 06:58.47 | McQuaid | alfTx: lots of info here http://alsa.opensrc.org |
| 06:58.50 | alfTx | btw.. lspci shows the card but it isn't in dmesg |
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| 06:59.18 | alfTx | but will it help me with a hw issue? |
| 06:59.43 | ugexe | alfTx you did remove the oss references from modules.conf right? |
| 06:59.49 | McQuaid | if you search enough, there is a page there on dealing with multiple sound cards |
| 06:59.57 | bob2 | !+find glib.h |
| 07:00.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glib.h' (6 shown; 19 total): (/usr/include/oop-glib.h) in libdevel/liboop-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/mrtg/html/mrtglib.html) in net/mrtg ;; (/usr/include/taglib/taglib.h) in libdevel/libtag1-dev ;; (/usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h) in libdevel/libglib2.0-dev ;; (/usr/include/glib-1.2/glib.h) in libdevel/libglib1.2-dev ;; (/usr/include/mozilla/jpeg/jpeglib.h) in devel/mozilla-dev. |
| 07:00.20 | alfTx | ugexe: don't know... let me look real quick.. |
| 07:00.34 | ugexe | alfTx: oss crap starts with sound- instead of snd- |
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| 07:01.20 | McQuaid | i don't get why home users go with sarge, my primary reason for going deb, was to have access to recent pkgs and not dealing with rpm nightmares |
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| 07:01.45 | bob2 | so what do you suggest they use? |
| 07:01.45 | chealer | McQuaid: ?? |
| 07:01.46 | bob2 | ubuntu? |
| 07:01.49 | McQuaid | sid |
| 07:01.50 | alfTx | upexe: do I use comment (#) to take them out? |
| 07:01.55 | gartt | Is there a linux flavor that's 'bare' without premade packages or package management systems? |
| 07:01.59 | ugexe | aflTx: whatever suits you |
| 07:02.15 | chealer | everyone knows sid is for home users </sarcasm> |
| 07:02.30 | bob2 | gartt: LFS or do it completely from scratch |
| 07:02.38 | bob2 | factor: there's no point aside from learning what each bit does, tho |
| 07:02.39 | gartt | ah |
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| 07:03.05 | ugexe | alfTx: also when you run alsaconf it lets you chose 1 sound card so you will end up having to manually modify something i would assume |
| 07:03.07 | McQuaid | hmm, why does that comment seem to be out in left field to you guys... |
| 07:03.09 | factor | bob2:I was just want to resolve the gnome-panel issue. |
| 07:03.10 | bob2 | er, not to you, factor |
| 07:03.14 | factor | heh |
| 07:03.18 | bob2 | factor: sorry, typo |
| 07:03.19 | factor | k |
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| 07:04.28 | alfTx | alsaconf is awsome.. let me try this out.. thanks guys... |
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| 07:05.02 | rixth | How do I change the default login manager to GDM from XDM? |
| 07:05.15 | bob2 | uninstall gdm |
| 07:05.17 | bob2 | install xdm |
| 07:05.25 | McQuaid | reverse ;) |
| 07:05.31 | bob2 | oh yeah |
| 07:06.06 | chealer | !tell McQuaid about sid |
| 07:06.09 | rixth | debian:/home/rixth# apt-get remove xdm |
| 07:06.09 | rixth | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 07:06.09 | rixth | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 07:06.09 | rixth | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 07:06.09 | rixth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:06.42 | McQuaid | hmm, been on sid for almost 3 years with hardly any issue |
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| 07:06.54 | rixth | I dont think I want to remove the x-window system |
| 07:06.59 | bob2 | rixth: that's fine |
| 07:07.00 | McQuaid | yes u do |
| 07:07.03 | juhov | rixth: go ahead and remove x-window-system, it's just a metapackage |
| 07:07.06 | McQuaid | xdm gone, gdm in |
| 07:07.09 | rixth | But to apt-get remove xdm it sasys xwindow will also be removed |
| 07:07.18 | bob2 | that's fine |
| 07:07.21 | ugexe | rixth: its not what you think |
| 07:07.33 | rixth | Ok, thanks |
| 07:07.38 | bob2 | read the package description |
| 07:07.51 | rixth | Oh yes, it says only 1200kb will be freed ^_^ |
| 07:08.10 | chuggaz | anyone have experience making vcds out of avis on linux? k3b only seems to deal with mpg :=/ |
| 07:08.38 | McQuaid | chuggaz: not much on the gnome/gtk side afaik |
| 07:08.44 | McQuaid | unfortunately |
| 07:08.56 | McQuaid | try avidemux but it's kinda clunky |
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| 07:09.02 | chuggaz | McQuaid, yeah, thats sad, but i dont care what toolkit it uses .. as long as it works |
| 07:09.08 | rixth | Anyone here use gDesklets? Many desklets say I need the Netowrk sensor but I can't find it on gdesklets.gnome.... |
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| 07:09.36 | arnon | is there a way to change gaim's window color ? |
| 07:09.42 | McQuaid | memencoder is what you want to use probably, finding a good front end is another matter |
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| 07:10.14 | VoX | i'm having trouble with gtk-based apps. all the text colours are wrong(either green or multi-coloured). i've tried removing, purging, and re-installing anything gtk-related but it hasnt fixed it. any ideas? |
| 07:10.20 | chuggaz | McQuaid, aww. |
| 07:10.51 | McQuaid | mencoder even |
| 07:11.23 | wolfsong | i'm running woody and would like to upgrade my kernel. can someone point me to a good tutorial? |
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| 07:12.09 | rixth | Being a total noob, could someone point out to me the advantages of recompiling the kernel? |
| 07:12.21 | McQuaid | headaches? |
| 07:12.35 | bob2 | rixth: there isn't one for most people |
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| 07:12.56 | wolfsong | audio |
| 07:13.06 | rixth | I'm running 2.6.8-2 |
| 07:13.15 | rixth | Whats the latest? 2.6.10? |
| 07:13.15 | ugexe | kernel compiling skills, bowstaff skills.. |
| 07:13.26 | McQuaid | i did cause of some patches i wanted to try, otherwise i probably wouldn't have bothered |
| 07:13.31 | chealer | ugexe: hehe :) |
| 07:13.40 | chealer | rixth: check kernel.org |
| 07:13.42 | McQuaid | but compiling the kern isn't that hard |
| 07:13.50 | wolfsong | the one that comes with woody is muuuuch older than that |
| 07:14.09 | rixth | I'm using Sarge, install with command linux26 |
| 07:14.22 | wolfsong | and it doesn't have support for sound card by default |
| 07:14.28 | chealer | rixth: the latest kernel in sarge is 2.6.8 |
| 07:14.37 | McQuaid | this error always concerned me with running lilo in 2.6 |
| 07:14.42 | McQuaid | Warning: Kernel & BIOS return differing head/sector geometries for device 0x80... |
| 07:14.56 | rixth | Sounds omnious (sp?) |
| 07:15.16 | McQuaid | i've read conflicting things on this, some say safely ignore, others say there can be issues if fat partitions exist on the same drive |
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| 07:17.51 | wolfsong | while i'm thinking about it... why do some installed apps not appear in the programs menu? |
| 07:18.09 | bob2 | they don't include menu files |
| 07:18.14 | bob2 | which is annoying and a bug, probably |
| 07:18.32 | wolfsong | bob2: ok thanks |
| 07:18.58 | McQuaid | even i first installed gnome, it had a whole wack of kde apps overflowing in the menu, then after relogging in, all those kde/xfce links were all gone |
| 07:19.10 | McQuaid | s even/when |
| 07:19.25 | bob2 | the gnome menu system is in a bit of flux |
| 07:19.30 | bob2 | KDE will make the same change soon |
| 07:19.34 | bob2 | in 3.4, iirc |
| 07:20.28 | chealer | what change? |
| 07:20.39 | bob2 | moving to fd.o .desktop files for the menus |
| 07:20.51 | tchino | what is NFC |
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| 07:21.18 | streuner__ | !nfc |
| 07:21.18 | dpkg | methinks nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 07:21.28 | McQuaid | i like nautilus for the most part but a few little annoying things bug me, hope some are addressed in future versions |
| 07:22.22 | chealer | cool move, then |
| 07:22.37 | Epilog | I'm trying to connect to a openssh |
| 07:22.52 | McQuaid | for ex, i turned off count # of items, but now right clicking on a folder no longer gives me the contents size |
| 07:23.04 | Epilog | and with password all is ok but I can't set my public keys |
| 07:23.09 | McQuaid | why those two are tied together i don't get |
| 07:23.42 | Epilog | I always get a connection closed after a message -> debug: try pubkey: /home/ip/aulas/ip15g4/.ssh/id_dsa /// debug: read DSA private key done /// debug: sig size 20 20 /// Connection closed by |
| 07:23.55 | tchino | !nfc |
| 07:23.55 | dpkg | [nfc] No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 07:24.23 | tchino | why I can't print with gimp, i get the messages: |
| 07:24.23 | drp | !nfi |
| 07:24.23 | dpkg | well, nfi is No Fucking Idea |
| 07:24.42 | tchino | %!PS-Adobe-3.0 reator: Print plug-in V4.2 for GIMP/Gimp-Print 4.2.7 withmany empty pages from the printer |
| 07:24.55 | chealer | how come 1.0.7-1 doesn't appear in http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alsa-lib.html ? |
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| 07:27.00 | tchino | why you gives so freaky answers, i give you one question and i expect a normal answer |
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| 07:27.48 | chealer | tchino: freaky answers? |
| 07:27.59 | drp | !IIRC |
| 07:27.59 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 07:28.40 | tchino | with the other programs like pdf-viewer, konqueror, you can print normal with cups, but gimp can't print right |
| 07:28.58 | tchino | chaeler: NFC??? |
| 07:29.03 | tchino | chealer: NFC??? |
| 07:29.09 | cat | tchino: u can print with gimp, |
| 07:29.19 | tchino | cat: and why |
| 07:29.28 | cat | y ? |
| 07:29.37 | Jenns | hey all, I've got a broken packages problem. apt-get install php4 is reporting unmet depdencies even though I have met them :-( |
| 07:29.50 | chealer | tchino: what? |
| 07:29.53 | cat | Jenns: try apt-get -f install |
| 07:30.02 | tchino | cat: you have the choice in gimp 2.2 |
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| 07:30.11 | Jenns | cat: tried that, :-/ |
| 07:30.12 | cat | yes u do tchino |
| 07:30.18 | cat | yes Jenns |
| 07:30.28 | streuner__ | dpkg, kernel avail is http://people.debian.org/~dannf/kernel-stats/kernel-avail.html |
| 07:30.29 | dpkg | streuner__: okay |
| 07:30.36 | tchino | cat: and you don't have any idea?! |
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| 07:30.52 | cat | tchino: have any ideas of what? |
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| 07:31.00 | chealer | streuner__: nice :) |
| 07:31.03 | tchino | print with gimp |
| 07:31.12 | cat | i've done it before, |
| 07:31.22 | tchino | and? |
| 07:31.28 | Jenns | cat: and... it just does the same as apt-get install does when theres no new packages awaiting to be installed, doesnt output any info or fix anything :-( |
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| 07:31.39 | cat | Jenns: what errors do u get? |
| 07:31.45 | cat | can u pasted them on #flood? |
| 07:31.49 | tchino | what appearience do you have collect |
| 07:31.53 | streuner__ | chealer: yeah, its almost unbelievable how many archs are supported by debian... |
| 07:31.59 | Jenns | one moment |
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| 07:33.41 | Jenns | pasted |
| 07:33.45 | chealer | streuner__: such as apus? :) but really, I heard that netbsd is the leader in that domain (although debian is very good) |
| 07:33.48 | Jenns | cat :-) |
| 07:34.29 | streuner__ | !listkeys apus |
| 07:34.31 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'apus' by key returned no results. |
| 07:34.57 | streuner__ | chealer: maybe you can make some light into the factoids of 'apus'? |
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| 07:35.20 | streuner__ | s/of/for/ |
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| 07:36.51 | chealer | streuner__: apus : This kernel flavour supports the Amiga Power-UP System. |
| 07:36.51 | chealer | that's what google told me, otherwise I couldn't |
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| 07:37.27 | chealer | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/ch02s01.html |
| 07:37.43 | streuner__ | chealer: heh? Does that mean Amiga has a new CPU? |
| 07:38.53 | streuner__ | chealer: nm, found it. |
| 07:39.13 | chealer | streuner__: amiga is primarily tha female form of amigo for me. otherwise that table is really cool to fix my newbieness in the domain |
| 07:39.19 | streuner__ | Model Name/Number |
| 07:39.19 | streuner__ | Amiga Power-UP Systems (APUS) A1200, A3000, A4000 |
| 07:39.31 | drac | What, you can install Linux on A1200?! |
| 07:39.50 | streuner__ | well, it sounds like it :-) |
| 07:39.55 | drac | I have one of those in my closet! |
| 07:39.58 | drac | %) |
| 07:40.52 | Epilog | besides copying the id_dsa.pub and cat'ting that to the authorized_keys |
| 07:41.13 | Epilog | what else do I need to enable the ssh auth by hostkey ? |
| 07:41.32 | streuner__ | dpkg, apus is <reply> Amiga Power-UP Systems (APUS) A1200, A3000, A4000 |
| 07:41.32 | dpkg | okay, streuner__ |
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| 07:42.05 | VoX | i'm having trouble with gtk-based apps. all the text colours are wrong(either green or multi-coloured). i've tried removing, purging, and re-installing anything gtk-related but it hasnt fixed it. any ideas? |
| 07:42.21 | cat | VoX: maybe you'r video carD? |
| 07:42.23 | jagerman | Anyone know if the sarge rc2 netinst CD has Serial ATA support? |
| 07:42.27 | takatumi | I have HTTP_PROXY set in /etc/environment, lynx still ain't picking this up, is there anything more to be done? |
| 07:42.43 | Epilog | takatumi: profile |
| 07:42.46 | VoX | cat: it's running over VNC |
| 07:43.53 | streuner__ | jagerman: i doubt that the 2.6.x kernel in sarge's netinstall CD hasn''t that feature... |
| 07:44.01 | takatumi | Epilog: /etc/profile? |
| 07:44.12 | cat | yeah where else? |
| 07:44.33 | jagerman | streuner__: You doubt that it hasn't, in other words, you suppose that it does? |
| 07:44.52 | streuner__ | jagerman: yes, but ask in #debian-boot for details |
| 07:45.19 | chealer | what's the speakup flavor? is it really a kernel modified for blind people? |
| 07:45.21 | drac | jagerman: you can allways change your bios settings sata to 'legacy' so it will 'emulate' ATA, and after installation change it back. |
| 07:45.46 | jagerman | drac: That depends entirely on the bios and serial ata controller |
| 07:45.51 | drac | true |
| 07:46.13 | chealer | nevermind, apt answered me already |
| 07:48.26 | chealer | streuner__: I shouldn't have said that thing about debian archs support...until it supports amd64 :( |
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| 07:49.25 | streuner__ | !amd64 |
| 07:49.26 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
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| 07:55.06 | groulder | earlier i tried to install a deb file which had unmet dependencies, so i decided to forget about it. now i'm doing an apt-get install something and it's complaining about the deb from hours ago. |
| 07:55.13 | groulder | how do i make it forget about it? |
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| 07:55.27 | cat | apt-get -f install |
| 07:55.29 | cat | or man apt |
| 07:55.29 | ugexe | is there a way to install KDE without all the extra programs? (calculators, etc) |
| 07:55.30 | streuner__ | remove the deb itself |
| 07:55.45 | streuner__ | ugexe: apt-get install kde ? |
| 07:55.57 | ugexe | streuner__, that includes all of that |
| 07:56.03 | streuner__ | ugexe: apt-get install konqueror |
| 07:56.14 | groulder | cat, but i don't want to install it. |
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| 07:56.28 | streuner__ | ugexe: konqueror should give you an basic install of KDE |
| 07:56.30 | cat | what's this thing called about linux documents ltpd.org? |
| 07:56.32 | cat | or lpd.org? |
| 07:56.40 | groulder | tldp.org |
| 07:56.40 | streuner__ | tldp.org |
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| 07:56.58 | takatumi | groulder: what about kdebase? |
| 07:57.11 | takatumi | ugexe: ^^ |
| 07:57.18 | takatumi | groulder: sorry. |
| 07:57.45 | McQuaid | sigh, it's sad how many apps screw up when your drive fills |
| 07:57.50 | ugexe | takatumi: havnt tried that... i suppose there is no easy way to uninstall kde along with all the stuff it just installed is there |
| 07:58.08 | McQuaid | for ex. i lost all my xchat settings,servers etc |
| 07:58.20 | McQuaid | this should never happen imo |
| 07:58.34 | takatumi | ugexe: haven't tried kde, too much bloat. |
| 07:59.10 | ugexe | takatumi: yea i can see that now... |
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| 08:01.18 | takatumi | I have HTTP_PROXY set in /etc/environment, lynx still ain't picking this up... no takers on this one? |
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| 08:04.39 | ugexe | meh screw it, i'll just remove kde* |
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| 08:04.44 | chealer | ugexe: #debian-kde |
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| 08:06.20 | takatumi | lilo: the pie chart? |
| 08:06.25 | lilo | takatumi: yes |
| 08:06.44 | lilo | someone noticed 8) |
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| 08:07.04 | ugexe | well that seemed to work well enough |
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| 08:07.54 | takatumi | lilo: you probably need a legend there for readability sakes. |
| 08:08.30 | lilo | takatumi: there's a legend on the one on the fundraiser page, the url points there |
| 08:08.40 | takatumi | lilo: ah, ok. |
| 08:08.42 | lilo | takatumi: I figured the legend would clutter ascii art |
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| 08:10.00 | lilo | I'm not really great at this fundraising thing, it's very time-consuming |
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| 08:11.53 | lilo | hey chealer |
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| 08:12.18 | VoX | ah this is pissing me off |
| 08:12.22 | lilo | hallo Freek_NL |
| 08:12.35 | VoX | lilo: know much about gtk? |
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| 08:12.37 | chealer | lilo: hey. since when do you greet nonames? |
| 08:12.41 | Freek_NL | hi lilo |
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| 08:12.54 | Freek_NL | chealer, thanks |
| 08:13.00 | \SjN\ | debian is nub friendly? |
| 08:13.04 | lilo | chealer: well, I haven't been around much in a while, but usually when I'm active on a channel and nobody objects, I say hi to people as they enter 8) |
| 08:13.06 | chealer | Freek_NL: I was referring to me ;) |
| 08:13.17 | lilo | hey \SjN\ |
| 08:13.19 | Freek_NL | lol |
| 08:13.41 | chealer | lilo: I didn't think an IRC op could survive with such habits, but nice to know :) |
| 08:13.56 | lilo | chealer: well, I'm a medium-sized fish in a small pond, I try not to let it go to my head 8) |
| 08:14.36 | VoX | lilo: know much about gtk? |
| 08:14.42 | Freek_NL | well, I think its a positive thing to greet people |
| 08:14.52 | lilo | VoX: just odds and ends, I bring up pieces of it when I need them |
| 08:14.58 | lilo | Freek_NL: thanks....I think so too |
| 08:15.01 | takatumi | lilo: I remember a few months ago, when your cat got your keyboard, I called the ops on you here in #debian...hehe |
| 08:15.02 | VoX | damn |
| 08:15.03 | VoX | ok |
| 08:15.13 | wye | hi, im using woody, can i install the cdrecord version 2.XX? |
| 08:15.23 | lilo | hehe takatumi....I don't have a cat....I do have a son who doesn't type in Adult Speak much yet 8) |
| 08:15.33 | Freek_NL | wye, shure, use a backport from backports.org |
| 08:15.35 | lilo | takatumi: though by now he's a lot better at it |
| 08:15.38 | takatumi | lilo: :) |
| 08:15.56 | wye | freek_nl, ok thanks i gonna see :) |
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| 08:16.19 | groulder | how can i give a specific user read access to apache log files? what do i have to put in /etc/logrotate.d/apache? |
| 08:16.25 | McQuaid | anyone try this ifolder thing in deb yet? |
| 08:16.27 | tromca02 | whats a good ftp client for x? |
| 08:16.31 | lilo | VoX: the gnome and gtk people have a whole network, and I think we have some small support channels that are more end-user oriented here |
| 08:16.34 | Freek_NL | tromca02, gftp |
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| 08:17.32 | lilo | hey takatumi |
| 08:17.33 | lilo | oops |
| 08:17.44 | lilo | I started using tab a while back and have regretted it ever since 8) |
| 08:17.46 | VoX | lilo: know the name of the network? :) |
| 08:17.47 | lilo | hey tak_ |
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| 08:18.15 | chealer | !ifolder |
| 08:18.20 | chealer | McQuaid: what is it? |
| 08:18.24 | lilo | VoX: irc.gimp.org probably, though be careful, sometimes you'll walk into a developer channel and they may not be 100% happy answering questions |
| 08:18.31 | lilo | VoX: worth a shot though |
| 08:18.37 | VoX | *nods* cheers :) |
| 08:18.47 | lilo | hi nokia6000 |
| 08:18.52 | nokia6000 | i think debian's status should be update on distrowatch.com, woody is stated as being on kernel 2.2. |
| 08:19.02 | nokia6000 | yo lilo |
| 08:19.11 | chealer | nokia6000: it is, by default |
| 08:19.12 | lilo | nokia6000: wow, *nod* |
| 08:19.18 | lilo | chealer: bit scary though |
| 08:19.27 | McQuaid | http://www.ifolder.com/ it's by novel and basically shares a folder with a group of friends works, in lin/win/osx |
| 08:19.37 | McQuaid | and has naut intergration |
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| 08:19.39 | chealer | kindof...sarge won't be born before its time |
| 08:19.45 | lilo | re TokenGoth |
| 08:19.53 | nokia6000 | but debian.org says The current “stable†distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 3.0r4, codenamed woody. It was released on January 1st, 2005. |
| 08:20.09 | lilo | nokia6000: *nod* |
| 08:20.15 | nokia6000 | distrowatch.com has it on 2001 or something |
| 08:20.36 | lilo | yah, they haven't caught the upgrades |
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| 08:20.42 | chealer | nokia6000: it is revision 4. the original was released in 2002 |
| 08:20.44 | lilo | hallo acidblue |
| 08:20.47 | chealer | !woody |
| 08:20.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 08:20.59 | lilo | phorce1: that would seem to be correct 8) |
| 08:21.17 | WiFiTux | wow, sarge was really delayed... |
| 08:21.58 | phorce1 | WiFiTux: no it wasn't. It's been available since before woody was released. ;-D |
| 08:22.11 | chealer | McQuaid: seems interesting. surprising to see a typo in their homepage |
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| 08:22.39 | lilo | re michal_ |
| 08:22.48 | michal_ | hi.. anyone know what might be causing this error when I try to build a kernel with kernel-package? |
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| 08:22.50 | McQuaid | typo?! the bastards... |
| 08:22.50 | michal_ | make: *** No rule to make target `conf.vars', needed by `stamp-configure'. Stop. |
| 08:24.00 | McQuaid | trying to figure out which one is the stable version from the source to try it out |
| 08:24.07 | McQuaid | there were 3 for that day |
| 08:24.39 | michal_ | i haven't been able to build a bootable kernel since 2.6.10-rc1 |
| 08:25.14 | takatumi | michal_: what error? |
| 08:25.29 | michal_ | right now the one i just pasted |
| 08:25.42 | takatumi | michal_: ah, tried kernel-package? |
| 08:25.59 | bdole | anyone have time to help me get a ethernet adapter up? i have the source for the card and im trying to make |
| 08:25.59 | michal_ | did you read what I said? |
| 08:26.00 | takatumi | michal_: ignore, I've just lost it. |
| 08:26.15 | bdole | getting no such file or directory on the make.... small make file |
| 08:26.33 | takatumi | michal_: you ran make-kpkg clean as well right? |
| 08:26.50 | SiliconViper | Well, that's special. |
| 08:27.18 | michal_ | yes. not that I should have needed it on the first build attempt |
| 08:27.44 | SiliconViper | Running 'apt-get dist-upgrade', adds Caudium for installation. Does anyone know why this is? I suspect it is related to php, but I don't know... |
| 08:28.02 | lilo | (hi bdole) |
| 08:28.12 | bdole | hi there lilo |
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| 08:29.15 | SiliconViper | Herm... Pike also gets added. |
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| 08:29.24 | bdole | anyone have any experience with make and network adapters? |
| 08:29.59 | tromca02 | where can i conf my network? |
| 08:30.04 | chealer | SiliconViper: are you using sid sources? |
| 08:30.17 | chealer | tromca02: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:30.22 | SiliconViper | chealer, /me nods. Indeed I am. |
| 08:30.25 | takatumi | michal_: the vanilla 2.6.10 from kernel.org compiled fine, running that now, haven't tried any other flavors. |
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| 08:31.20 | chealer | SiliconViper: I had the same issue today before I fixed my default release to testing. look at php4-mysql dependencies or something like that |
| 08:31.54 | nokia6000 | if i download all 7 ISO, is there an app to combine the 7 ISOs into one DVD ISO? |
| 08:32.02 | bob2 | no |
| 08:32.10 | bob2 | you could use jigdo, tho |
| 08:32.14 | bob2 | or debian-cd |
| 08:32.16 | SiliconViper | chealer, I see. Find any clues as to the rationale for this? |
| 08:32.19 | nokia6000 | =| |
| 08:32.46 | SiliconViper | chealer, I know that caudium's PHP is the only thread-safe one for Debian, or so I hear. |
| 08:32.47 | bob2 | huh? |
| 08:32.51 | nokia6000 | that means 7 times changing. jigdo sounds dangerous |
| 08:33.06 | bob2 | just use debian-cd |
| 08:33.06 | bob2 | no, it's not |
| 08:33.06 | SiliconViper | chealer, think that might have something to do with it? |
| 08:33.06 | takatumi | nokia6000: why do you need all 7 of them? |
| 08:33.06 | bob2 | or download a freaking dvd iso |
| 08:33.45 | nokia6000 | takatumi, ok, maybe i don't. so how many i need? |
| 08:34.03 | SiliconViper | nokia6000, it would not be advisable to attempt combining them, unless you wanted to manually fix the releases.gz files. |
| 08:34.10 | SiliconViper | Or whatever it is called. |
| 08:34.10 | takatumi | nokia6000: is this a server or a desktop? |
| 08:34.17 | chealer | SiliconViper: what means thread-safe? to be exact I was trying to install php4-mysql or another package when it proposed me to install caudium |
| 08:34.25 | chealer | not just an upgrade |
| 08:34.38 | chealer | looking at php4-mysql/php4-common gives me no clues |
| 08:34.43 | SiliconViper | chealer, this isn't 'recommending' anything. It's a depend. |
| 08:34.46 | simonrvn | anyone know why Net::LDAP and IO::Socket::SSL aren't liking each other lately? like WTF... former can't find TIEHANDLE in the latter, even though i've checked the source, and it seems to be there |
| 08:34.48 | chealer | I meant their dependencies |
| 08:34.59 | nokia6000 | takatumi, just desktop. |
| 08:35.09 | takatumi | nokia6000: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 08:35.11 | simonrvn | very confusing to a perl newb |
| 08:35.27 | SiliconViper | chealer, Google thread-safe, if you are interested. I couldn't explain it properly. |
| 08:35.44 | simonrvn | @dict thread-safe |
| 08:35.48 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'thread-safe' (2 shown): 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "threadsafe" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" thread-safe ;; <programming> A description of code which is either re-entrant or protected from multiple simultaneous execution by some form of mutual exclusion.. |
| 08:36.04 | bob2 | it means the code can safely be used in threads |
| 08:36.12 | simonrvn | basically, yes |
| 08:36.13 | bob2 | ie it's ok if two copies of it run in the sam address space |
| 08:36.24 | chealer | thanks, found the wikipedia article :) |
| 08:36.37 | simonrvn | @wikipedia++ |
| 08:36.39 | nokia6000 | does !dpkg do spelling check? |
| 08:37.04 | simonrvn | all the blootbots do, if enabled (in this channel, yes) |
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| 08:38.13 | sussudio | !spell badger |
| 08:38.13 | dpkg | 'badger' may be spelled correctly |
| 08:38.19 | sussudio | !britsnack |
| 08:38.37 | simonrvn | @sing sussudio |
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| 08:38.49 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 08:38.57 | valdyn_ | `+ |
| 08:39.07 | chealer | SiliconViper: it's not trying to remove something? |
| 08:39.41 | nokia6000 | !spell chickem |
| 08:39.41 | dpkg | possible spellings for chickem: chicken chick em chick-em |
| 08:40.43 | nokia6000 | !spell fatso |
| 08:40.43 | dpkg | 'fatso' may be spelled correctly |
| 08:40.50 | nokia6000 | hahaha |
| 08:40.59 | bdole | anyone here familiar with installing a NIC ? |
| 08:41.17 | bob2 | everyone is |
| 08:41.21 | nokia6000 | bdole, yes a lot |
| 08:41.26 | bob2 | perhaps you should expand on your problem instead of asking vague questions |
| 08:41.33 | [maynani] | hello.... i need a hint!!!! it's making me nutz!!!!! my computer is freezing i get hdc: lost interrupt (hdc - my hard drive), windows 98 works without any freeze, xp does freeze, i checked the memory with memtest86 it says pass... (no error) what hardware you think i have problem with ? do someone know diagnosis programs or such ? |
| 08:41.49 | bdole | i shot it out earlier and didnt get a response... i thought i would try a little vagu-er |
| 08:42.12 | bdole | so on to more specific |
| 08:42.13 | sussudio | bdole: open your pc case, be sure to keep one hand on the metal so you're grounded... etc |
| 08:42.33 | bdole | just got done installing r4... everything appears to be functional |
| 08:42.39 | sussudio | bdole: then take down your pants and underpants and violently shove the nic up your bum |
| 08:42.45 | beardy | [maynani]: is this related to debian in any way at all? |
| 08:42.59 | bdole | i have the source for my NIC and ive tried to run make... it errors out with: |
| 08:43.02 | [maynani] | nokia6000: i think you are absolutly right !!! but it's on debian !!! |
| 08:43.10 | bob2 | bdole: no, first mistake right there |
| 08:43.12 | SiliconViper | chealer, Well, it's getting removed. Installing it, knocked the primary mirror for my site offline. |
| 08:43.13 | bdole | modversions.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:43.13 | bob2 | bdole: what card is it? |
| 08:43.14 | [maynani] | beardy: yes the problem, is that i can't run debian because of it!! |
| 08:43.25 | bdole | broadcom gigabit 4400 |
| 08:43.36 | [maynani] | beardy: and i am forced to use windows 98 against my will... :( |
| 08:43.37 | bob2 | bdole: so, don't you just need the tg3 driver? |
| 08:43.40 | SiliconViper | Well, less 'knocked offline' and more 'not able to use it. |
| 08:43.42 | SiliconViper | ' |
| 08:44.06 | bdole | bob2: any ideas? |
| 08:44.15 | bob2 | bdole: what I just said |
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| 08:44.46 | bdole | im not familiar with the tg3 driver.... is this a generic driver? |
| 08:44.46 | chealer | SiliconViper: sorry, caudium is getting removed? |
| 08:44.52 | bob2 | bdole: no |
| 08:44.57 | SiliconViper | chealer, Hell yes. |
| 08:45.18 | bdole | bob2: how can i use the tg3 driver |
| 08:45.19 | chealer | strange if apt allows you to remove it after |
| 08:45.27 | bob2 | bdole: modprobe tg3 |
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| 08:45.44 | nokia6000 | hahahahaa |
| 08:45.53 | nokia6000 | i am ok |
| 08:45.59 | bdole | bob: cant locate module tg3 |
| 08:46.04 | bob2 | oh well |
| 08:46.07 | wye | somebody know the conceptronic wireless router? it uses linux and iptables, but i dont know to save my config, there is a program called /sbin/flashwrite but it dont seems to work :( |
| 08:46.15 | phorce1 | hmph -- been using IRC and BitchX for several years and just now set up my first auto-identify script. Now if I could just get it to let me set myself /away without spamming the channel <sigh> |
| 08:46.20 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure the instructions in the bcm4400-source package don't say "run make" |
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| 08:46.25 | bob2 | phorce1: use a less shit client |
| 08:46.28 | bob2 | like irssi-text. |
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| 08:46.47 | bdole | i actually have the install references for it next to me.... i always RTFM before asking questions |
| 08:47.03 | SiliconViper | chealer, it allows me to remove it, and only removes the caudium-specific modules, but leaves my site in a broken state. |
| 08:47.09 | [maynani] | beardy: you did not understand... iam trying to say, that windows 98 can works, eternally without any freeze, and in debian, it's randomly gives me the error message ... hdc - lost interrupt... and i can switch with the f1,f2,f3 terminals...., and nothing more then that, if i am using X-Windows then the mouse is freeze, the same is on windows xp.( i am using netinst cd of debian 3.0, kernel 2.2.4) |
| 08:47.11 | SiliconViper | Vastly uncool. |
| 08:47.22 | phorce1 | bob2: may play with others at some point but this is the first time I've bumped into something that feels "broke" so I haven't ever tried to "fix it" |
| 08:47.50 | bdole | Building Driver From TAR File |
| 08:47.52 | bdole | ============================= |
| 08:47.52 | bdole | 1. Create a directory and extract the files: |
| 08:47.52 | bdole | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.03 | bdole | 2. Build the driver bcm4400.o as a loadable module for the running kernel: |
| 08:48.05 | bdole | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.05 | bdole | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.19 | bdole | thats what im going off of... step two |
| 08:48.30 | bob2 | so, the instructions suck |
| 08:48.36 | bdole | i would agree |
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| 08:48.49 | chealer | SiliconViper: hum, you're using apache 2? |
| 08:48.52 | bob2 | this is from bcm4400-source? |
| 08:49.06 | bdole | this is from asus... is there a better place to get the driver? |
| 08:49.09 | [maynani] | someone ? |
| 08:49.39 | bdole | its an onboard gigabit controller on an asus board so i went there first... but i can certainly roll somewhere else if there is a better driver |
| 08:49.47 | bob2 | bdole: yes, the bcm4400-source package |
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| 08:50.29 | VoX | i'm having trouble with gtk-based apps. all the text colours are wrong(either green or multi-coloured). i've tried removing, purging, and re-installing anything gtk-related but it hasnt fixed it. any ideas? |
| 08:50.38 | domme | hotkeys: Unable to open `/dev/mixer': No such device |
| 08:50.42 | domme | why is this? |
| 08:50.46 | domme | /dev/mixer is there |
| 08:50.48 | beardy | [maynani]: It's hard, impossible, to say what's wrong with your disk. But, take backup of everything you care about on the disk. Check the cables. Check the filesystems. Maybe get a new disk. |
| 08:50.51 | domme | it links to /dev/mixer0 |
| 08:50.57 | bdole | bob2: thanks im googling now |
| 08:50.57 | domme | and that's also there |
| 08:51.16 | bob2 | bdole: it's a package in Debian |
| 08:51.36 | bdole | so the package should be on my source CDs? its not on the system i did a locate already |
| 08:51.47 | bob2 | nope |
| 08:52.09 | SiliconViper | chealer, yes, I am. |
| 08:52.13 | [maynani] | beardy: i tried with 2 hard drives.... it's still freezing... but it's strange why at windows 98 it dosen't that's why, i am so angry more at my computer :( like he is betraying me, and forcing me using windows 98, i downloaded sword modules for windows, it's not the same as bibletime at all :( bibletime much beautiful and easier, and i am so sad !!! |
| 08:52.35 | [maynani] | beardy: maybe cables :) |
| 08:52.49 | [maynani] | beardy: ok, thanks alot, i will try at monday, or such.. |
| 08:53.05 | [maynani] | beardy: but again, why windows 98 is working / |
| 08:53.11 | helix | . |
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| 08:53.12 | helix | hmm |
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| 08:53.57 | phorce1 | hmm? |
| 08:54.05 | ugexe | how do i change a files 'modifiable' flag |
| 08:54.25 | bdole | bob2: ahh i found a testing and a unstable package... this is starting to look better.... thank you friend |
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| 08:54.27 | chealer | SiliconViper: you really shouldn't understand that I can help you, but you have apache2 running and you can't access it from localhost? how offline is it exactly? |
| 08:54.47 | bob2 | ugexe: chmod |
| 08:54.47 | chealer | ugexe: use chmod. |
| 08:55.03 | ugexe | chmod +x didn't do it |
| 08:55.19 | chealer | +w |
| 08:55.24 | ugexe | oh ok |
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| 08:55.28 | chealer | x is executable |
| 08:55.29 | phorce1 | ugexe: that's eXecutable |
| 08:55.31 | SiliconViper | chealer, I can access it, but all MySQL connectivity is down. |
| 08:55.40 | domme | does noone have an idea how to fix my problem with hotkeys? sometimes it suddenly works.. without changing anything :\ |
| 08:55.40 | SiliconViper | chealer, I'm working on fixing it right now. |
| 08:56.13 | SiliconViper | chealer, any suggestions you can offer will be greatly appreciated. |
| 08:56.22 | phorce1 | ugexe: Read Write (change/modify) eXecute RWX |
| 08:56.25 | chealer | SiliconViper: looks like I may have remembered right about php4-mysql being the problem. I still can't figure out what dependency would be problematic though |
| 08:56.45 | ugexe | hmm it didnt help |
| 08:56.48 | SiliconViper | chealer, -_- Thanks anyways... |
| 08:56.53 | ugexe | still saying modifiable is turned off |
| 08:56.56 | chealer | domme: what's hotkeys? |
| 08:57.06 | ugexe | i am trying to edit a menu file if it means anything |
| 08:57.08 | [maynani] | beady: oh i now remember, it's can't be cables, since it's happens with hda-b, hdc-d.... both :( |
| 08:57.21 | domme | chealer: it's a program for multimedia-keyboards.. |
| 08:57.24 | phorce1 | ugexe: you do already have to be a user/group that has 'W'rite priveleges to the file to change it |
| 08:57.39 | ugexe | phorcel: i am |
| 08:57.40 | domme | chealer: withit i can control the sound with the wheel on my keyboard |
| 08:57.50 | domme | normally ;( |
| 08:58.11 | phorce1 | ugexe: what does 'ls -l filename' say? |
| 08:58.50 | chealer | domme: haha, I only saw that on HP and win. how do you get that program? |
| 08:58.51 | ugexe | -rw-r--r-- |
| 08:59.06 | SiliconViper | chealer, Alright, so I got the database back online... now to fix all the errors. |
| 08:59.11 | bdole | bob2: im not familiar with .deb files.... dpkg -i is the appropriate syntax for the installation? |
| 08:59.17 | phorce1 | what about the username/groupname on it? |
| 08:59.27 | bob2 | bdole: yes |
| 08:59.33 | bdole | bob2: danke |
| 08:59.50 | phorce1 | ugexe: what about the username/groupname on it? |
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| 09:00.23 | ugexe | phorcel: root |
| 09:00.40 | ugexe | i'm not root though... |
| 09:00.51 | phorce1 | ugexe: and you are logged in to the terminal where you are playing with it as root (or su -) |
| 09:01.21 | beardy | [maynani]: Then it probably is your motherboards IDE interface. Take out and put in the cables again, sometimes it helps.. :) |
| 09:01.22 | ugexe | phorce1: no |
| 09:01.24 | phorce1 | ugexe: if it says root root rw-r--r-- then you have to be root to change it |
| 09:01.37 | ugexe | hmm ok |
| 09:01.58 | jeff_ | i've got a machine (Mac G4) running woody. When i try to reload the network with "/etc/init.d/networking restart" it appears to reload properly, but I can't get anywhere. I know the config is proper as on reboot things work fine. Any clue why it would load proper on reboot but restart |
| 09:02.47 | [maynani] | beardy: unfortunatly when i used debian, and it freezed i have to do it, since sometimes i did reset, and it's did not boot, it says error about like he find no drive (at primary, neither secondary) you know.., |
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| 09:03.19 | chealer | SiliconViper: I get the same thing trying to update php4-mysql 4.3.10-2 to 4.3.10-3 on my own desktop. very suspicious. there seems to be nothing in the BTS yet |
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| 09:03.52 | phorce1 | ugexe: the two names (root root) are owner(user) and owner(group) the 3 groups of letters rwx rwx rwx apply to owner(user) owner(group) and "anybody/everybody" Only those with a "w" in their section can modify a file, including modifying the permissions. |
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| 09:04.33 | bdole | this would almost be easier to just buy a supported NIC.... so many dependencies and i cant use apt-get to get them |
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| 09:04.55 | ugexe | phorce1: ah |
| 09:05.12 | bob2 | there are no dependencies |
| 09:05.14 | [maynani] | beardy: i need to replace the motherboard in other words? |
| 09:05.17 | bob2 | aside from a working toolchain |
| 09:05.27 | bdole | its telling me package module-assistant is not installed.. |
| 09:05.59 | domme | chealer: with apt?! |
| 09:06.10 | domme | chealer: apt-get install hotkeys |
| 09:06.11 | chealer | SiliconViper: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php4.html shows that there seem to be some important problem with the new packages. 4.3.10-3 was released 5 days ago, so someone would definitely have reported if there was a bug on php4-mysql |
| 09:06.18 | bdole | dependency prolems - leaving unconfigured |
| 09:06.22 | phorce1 | ugexe: same applies to (R)eading and e(X)ecuting (running a program) a file. Only those with the appropriate letter in their section can do it. |
| 09:06.36 | chealer | domme: hum, I must have mistyped that package name earlier :) |
| 09:06.44 | domme | :) |
| 09:06.58 | stazich | hey guys, can anyone help me set up sound on a ppc box? |
| 09:07.01 | domme | it had been working very well for a long time.. |
| 09:07.17 | domme | but now the sound is a problem :\ |
| 09:07.30 | bdole | bob2: so download module assistant? |
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| 09:07.56 | United | is there anyway to define a php doc root for each virtual host? |
| 09:07.59 | bob2 | I don't know, I've never bulit it |
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| 09:08.09 | bob2 | United: php doesn't have a docroot |
| 09:08.15 | bdole | bob2: np... thanks for your assistnce thus far... i will attempt that now |
| 09:08.20 | domme | chealer: do you have an idea why hotkeys cannot open the mixer? |
| 09:08.23 | phorce1 | ugexe: and /me has no idea where to point you to documentation further explaining file permissions. It's something that I learned too long ago. And I actually tend to use numbers instead of letters with chmod still because that's how I learned. |
| 09:08.28 | beardy | [maynani]: Probably yes. If you can't find anything else that's wrong, check with other cables first. |
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| 09:09.34 | chealer | domme: unfortunately not |
| 09:09.40 | domme | hm :( |
| 09:09.52 | United | bob2 i know it dont have a doc root, is there anyway to provide one? |
| 09:09.58 | domme | as said before: both devices are there.. and they are chmod 777 |
| 09:10.05 | bob2 | United: that makes no sense |
| 09:10.10 | bob2 | United: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:10.21 | simonrvn | ok. that's fixed. |
| 09:10.35 | [maynani] | beardy: ok i will have to take it to check at computer store... :) thanks alot !! i will try with the cables, btw - do you know how to install usb adsl modem rotal ale-130 at debian ?? i heard it is supported by debian.. and i have the eciadsl package whom support it.. can you give me a hand with that ? i started debian from scratch (with the netinst cd)... |
| 09:10.40 | Yildirim | hello, im now using mdk 10.0 on my pc. I want to install debian netinstall. Which config files can i backup for using debian ( like as X config ) ? |
| 09:10.43 | ugexe | phorcel: i am already a little familar with the number system but thats it |
| 09:10.46 | United | bob2 i want to be able to do something like include(/home.php); and it will read my doc root /home.php i dont want to use something like $PATH either. |
| 09:10.49 | simonrvn | /usr/lib/perl5/Net/LDAP.pm, line 793: |
| 09:10.49 | simonrvn | - (IO::Socket::SSL::socketToSSL($sock) and tie *{$sock}, 'IO::Socket::SSL', $sock) |
| 09:10.52 | simonrvn | + IO::Socket::SSL::socketToSSL($sock) |
| 09:10.54 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 09:11.06 | simonrvn | (bug reported) |
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| 09:11.19 | simonrvn | United: wtf |
| 09:11.27 | United | ? |
| 09:12.05 | bdole | bob2: excellent... installed the module-assistant and now the bcm4400 worked |
| 09:12.47 | bdole | bob2: but not sure where to go from here.... did the dpkg -i and it says successful... is there something i can read on next steps to bringing up this interface? |
| 09:13.00 | bob2 | load the module |
| 09:13.05 | bob2 | edit /etc/network/interfaces to add it |
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| 09:13.27 | United | bob2 do you get what i am wanting or no? :\ |
| 09:13.36 | bob2 | United: no, it sounds silly |
| 09:13.39 | United | ok |
| 09:13.43 | bob2 | maybe #php knows |
| 09:13.48 | United | they dont either |
| 09:14.29 | phorce1 | gigabit switches are starting to drop nicely in price. Ebarf has some going for under USD $30. I may start uprading soon |
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| 09:15.09 | beardy | [maynani]: Yeah, take it to the computer store if you don't want/can't fix it yourself. About your modem, read the documentation, plug it in, and if you have trouble, ask a good question here, maybe someone can help you. |
| 09:15.30 | United | <? $PATH = "/var/www/staff/www/projects"; ?> <? include("$PATH/ssf/control.php"); ?> instead of that i want to be able to make something in a apache conf or something so it knows that its doc root path is = $PATH. So i dont have to supply it incase it ever changes. |
| 09:15.34 | United | that make more sense? |
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| 09:16.47 | VoX | what packages do i need to remove to get rid of kde, then re-install it? |
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| 09:17.04 | jester^^ | hi |
| 09:17.10 | [maynani] | beardy: thanks... ooh i am so sorry, it's a long time i didn't used debian because of all that freezes, i forgot about the documentation, i am reading it right now, at windows :) thanks alot!!!!!! |
| 09:17.14 | chealer | VoX: kdelibs will generate a nice cleaning |
| 09:17.29 | Koffa | anyone gotten xfree86 4.3.0 + i810 + xinerama to work? |
| 09:17.36 | chealer | VoX: #debian-kde |
| 09:17.58 | beardy | [maynani]: No problem. Good luck :) |
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| 09:18.57 | Shaun | is there a key i can press to stop shit from logging to my console? |
| 09:18.58 | ugexe | VoX: i just did remove kde* which did a decent job, but it is kinda sloppy |
| 09:19.02 | Shaun | i though there was a sysrq key for it |
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| 09:19.31 | SiliconViper | chealer, FIXED IT. |
| 09:19.41 | phorce1 | United: you're goint to have to tell it SOMEWHERE if it ever changes. Where is that path info, in a php script? You keep talking about doc_root and that's an httpd.conf term for the place that all web files are "based" for a given server. |
| 09:19.44 | SiliconViper | Apparently, the problem is Apache, not php. |
| 09:19.54 | Koffa | I keep getting 'requested entity already in use' |
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| 09:20.18 | sussudio | There must be another fucking microsoft exploit or two out. |
| 09:20.26 | SiliconViper | I just manually reinstalled the previous release (2.0.53-2, instead of 2.0.53-3), and it fixed itself. |
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| 09:20.38 | beardy | Shaun: "shit" that logs to your console probably needs attention. |
| 09:20.54 | phorce1 | sussudio: ports 139/445 getting hammered? |
| 09:21.02 | United | phorce1, basically is there any kind of php flag i can give it to go in the httpd? |
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| 09:21.32 | sussudio | phorce1: 1025/5554 |
| 09:21.57 | sussudio | phorce1: every 3 seconds |
| 09:22.09 | bdole | bob2: shouldnt the deb file have placed the bcm4400 module in to /lib/modules/kernel/drivers/net ? |
| 09:23.43 | phorce1 | sussudio: looking for stray smtp on 1025 probably. No idea what they think may be on 5554. I run most services that I use on my personal box on oddball ports so it takes a full portscan to find the open ones -- and I'll see that and slap someone's pee-pee for it. |
| 09:24.13 | chealer | SiliconViper: wow, I know there have been LAMP problems very recently |
| 09:25.00 | chealer | SiliconViper: I still don't get it though. apt-get -t unstable install php4-common upgraded php4-mysql to 4.3.10-3 by dependencies without installing caudium |
| 09:25.22 | phorce1 | United: you didn't answer my question. Is that specifically in an external script -- and why would it need to cahnge apache's docroot. |
| 09:25.24 | chealer | apt-get -t unstable install php4-mysql would force me to install caudium. could it be an APT bug? |
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| 09:25.54 | SiliconViper | chealer, no. |
| 09:25.56 | SiliconViper | Not apt. |
| 09:25.57 | SiliconViper | for sure. |
| 09:26.09 | chealer | what is it then? |
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| 09:26.46 | bdole | bob2: do you have time for a few more? |
| 09:26.59 | Yildirim | where can i find netinstall? |
| 09:27.11 | drac | !tell Yildirim about d-i |
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| 09:27.25 | SiliconViper | Dunno, it's something to do with apache, though. Because removing caudium, and reloading a backed-up mysql config, and restarting mysqld, fixes the database. The errors, however, require me to revert apache2 to the previous release, and it works fine. |
| 09:27.58 | chealer | SiliconViper: maybe not a bug, but some ppor behavior when complex dependencies occur |
| 09:28.21 | Yildirim | drac is this one woody ? |
| 09:28.24 | SiliconViper | chealer, in the decade or so of Debian, you'd expect that to have been noticed before, no? |
| 09:29.05 | bdole | can anyone give me some short guidance on how to load a network module so i can bring up an ethernet card |
| 09:29.05 | SiliconViper | Yildirim, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 09:29.14 | SiliconViper | ^_~ |
| 09:29.25 | jester^^ | hi |
| 09:29.32 | SiliconViper | d-i is Sarge, isn't it? |
| 09:29.51 | phorce1 | United: I don't know if you can get httpd to read an environment variable for a setting like docroot but if yes you could use php to externally 'EXPORT PHPDOCROOT = /whatever/wherever' then set docroot in httpd.conf to $PHPDOCROOT. You'd just have to reload apache to enact the change. Have to ask others if apache will use an env var in httpd.conf |
| 09:30.01 | Yildirim | yes SiliconViper is sarge.. |
| 09:30.07 | SiliconViper | Speaking of that... any speculation on what the version number will be when Sarge hits stable? |
| 09:30.18 | SiliconViper | Yildirim, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ is Woody. |
| 09:30.28 | Koffa | damnit |
| 09:30.32 | phorce1 | SiliconViper: 42 |
| 09:30.38 | SiliconViper | Yildirim, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is Sarge |
| 09:30.43 | Koffa | google isn't very helpful on this :/ |
| 09:31.01 | SiliconViper | phorce1, what of the Great Answer now? |
| 09:31.04 | phorce1 | Oh, wait, that's the answer to life. Sorry. ;-) |
| 09:31.09 | SiliconViper | ^_^ |
| 09:33.25 | chealer | bdole: you load a kernel module with modprobe modulename |
| 09:33.52 | SiliconViper | phorce1, build a robot to do it, and write some code to interface via HTTP or something. ^_^ |
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| 09:35.52 | jensca | hi is there a program called deamon? |
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| 09:36.14 | muhoo | a long time ago i figured out how to get bash to stop changing my xterm titles to be the current directory. but i forgot how now. |
| 09:36.19 | phorce1 | SiliconViper: would be nice. I'm multitasking as cable puller, harware/software tech, plumber, and carpenter to make the office more liveable since I stay here 3 or 4 days at a time. REALLY need to get that shower install finished. |
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| 09:37.15 | SiliconViper | phorce1, See? A robot would solve all of this! |
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| 09:37.22 | phorce1 | heh |
| 09:37.26 | SiliconViper | Except maybe the hardware/software tech part. |
| 09:37.38 | SiliconViper | But you can get a monkey to help with that. |
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| 09:38.23 | SiliconViper | They have those opposable thumbs. Good for hardware work. |
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| 09:38.43 | muhoo | hmm. $PROMPT |
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| 09:39.07 | Giovanni | hi guys i want execute a daemon on startup where can i put the command? |
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| 09:40.04 | phorce1 | SiliconViper: spent several jours trying to figure out why I couldn't get cups to print to a shared winprinter. I've always gone the other way and attached shared printers to the linux box but the boss had to be difficult and insist the printer be at his desk. Stupid thing wants a username/pass when printing to it from Debian but all of the winboxen in the house can grab it without. |
| 09:40.17 | muhoo | Giovanni: /etc/init.d/skeleton as a start |
| 09:40.59 | Giovanni | ok muhoo thank's |
| 09:41.07 | Zvpun | does freenode not require ident? |
| 09:41.09 | phorce1 | SiliconViper: Once I figured that out it was as easy as mapping the printer as smb://user:pass@server/printer <sigh> |
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| 09:42.10 | SiliconViper | phorce1, ;p |
| 09:42.52 | phorce1 | monkey could do the cable pull faster -- small enough to set them loose on top of the drop ceiling instead of having to go 2 or three panels at a time (lift -- toss -- move -- lift -- toss --...) |
| 09:43.42 | Giovanni | muhoo but i must create a script with skeleton? |
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| 09:44.53 | VoX | i'm having trouble with gtk-based apps. all the text is weird colours. i've tried removing, purging and re-installing any gtk apps, the gtk libs and kde, to no effect. any ideas? |
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| 09:45.26 | Zvpun | VoX: what about deleting your gtk-configuration files in ~ |
| 09:45.46 | Giovanni | how can i know the pid of a file? |
| 09:45.46 | VoX | the only .gtk file in ~ is .gtk-bookbarks |
| 09:45.48 | Zvpun | VoX: or try with another user. If it is the same for a fresh user |
| 09:45.53 | VoX | *bookmarks |
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| 09:46.02 | VoX | mmm thats a good point |
| 09:46.03 | Zvpun | Giovanni: the pid of a file? |
| 09:47.36 | bdole | anyone here familiar with make-kpkg |
| 09:47.43 | sussudio | !irritate bdole |
| 09:47.44 | dpkg | bdole: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd ???/ |
| 09:48.01 | Shaun | how can i make iptables stop logging to console? i still want logs in /var/messages though |
| 09:48.12 | Giovanni | Zvpun for kill an application it require the pid |
| 09:48.31 | paulswm | Giovanni: man ps |
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| 09:49.11 | Zvpun | Giovanni: yes, you can kill a process (which is an executed file) if you know its pid. But a file itself doesnt have a pid. |
| 09:49.31 | jensca | im getting a "line 61: daemon: command not found" where can i find the deamon program? |
| 09:49.48 | VoX | Zvpun: ok, tried with a different user, works fine |
| 09:50.10 | bdole | what is "a top level linux kernel directory" |
| 09:50.53 | Giovanni | Zvpun: ok |
| 09:51.53 | Giovanni | Zvpun: i've created a script for execute on the boot the daemon cpufreqd now where i can place this script? |
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| 09:53.52 | Zvpun | Shaun: did you check your /etc/syslog.conf? |
| 09:55.05 | Zvpun | Giovanni: is it a init-script? It would belong to /etc/init.d/. What does the script do? |
| 09:55.06 | yhg | I'm trying to remove all the packages I got from a non-debian source, and it seems like I can do so if I comment out the sources I want to keep, update the package lists, and use synaptic to remove everything else... am I crazy? |
| 09:57.03 | Giovanni | Zvpun: the script is for cpu/fan control |
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| 09:57.58 | Zvpun | yhg: do you know about apt-show-versions. I used it to remove all woody packages after upgrade. |
| 09:58.05 | paulswm | Giovanni: man update-rc.d |
| 09:58.15 | jensca | im getting a "line 61: daemon: command not found" where can i find the deamon program? |
| 09:58.40 | bdole | anyone know anyhthing about make-kpkg |
| 09:58.47 | chealer | !tell jensca about repeat |
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| 09:59.29 | yhg | Zvpun: No, I didn't. thanks. |
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| 09:59.54 | chealer | yhg: remove everything else than what? |
| 10:00.24 | yhg | chealer: all the packages that are not from the debian repositories. |
| 10:00.38 | Zvpun | bdole: I am sure somepeople know something about something |
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| 10:01.11 | zlost1 | i did an apt-get upgrade and it downloaded everything correctly and began the install. it installed almost everything and then tried to install atmel-firmware and dpkg gives an error and exites with half the packages waiting to be installed. i tried apt-get -f upgrade. what else can be done to skip this 1 package or to make it install ? |
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| 10:03.05 | Zvpun | zlost1: can you remove atmel-firmware? |
| 10:03.25 | zlost1 | no i cant |
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| 10:04.13 | Giovanni | Guys it's ok? update-rc.d cpufreqd start 99 2 . |
| 10:04.24 | phorce1 | zlost1: perhaps go into aptitude and set its status to (H)old so it gets "held back" during the upgrade run. |
| 10:05.02 | zlost1 | i apologize, i looked over the man and help file, how is hold done ? |
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| 10:05.39 | chealer | yhg: how do you do that in synaptic? |
| 10:05.57 | Giovanni | paulswm Zvpun it's ok? update-rc.d startup start 99 2 . |
| 10:06.33 | phorce1 | zlost1: heh -- I know it CAN be done. I tend to site and figure out why a package failed to install rather than work around it. I avoid "GUI" package installers like the plague. Gimme a second to look at aptitude. |
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| 10:07.00 | zlost1 | its not a gui |
| 10:07.09 | zlost1 | i did it from cli with apt-get |
| 10:07.13 | yhg | chealer: I don't know, I was assuming that once I'd removed the debian sources I could just have it list all packages and then I could go through and get rid of them all. |
| 10:07.15 | alejandro_ | is there anyway that apt can log what have been installed? I made an script and have some problems with it (can't select from text menus or cancel, only reboot) |
| 10:08.21 | zlost1 | the dpkg error code is this...Setting up atmel-firmware (1.2-2) ... |
| 10:08.21 | zlost1 | /var/lib/dpkg/info/atmel-firmware.postinst: line 20: kill: (1653) - No such process |
| 10:08.49 | chealer | yhg: ah, ok, I red you too fast. wise if it works :) |
| 10:08.54 | phorce1 | zlost1: run 'aptitude' it makes setting the hold status easier. After using it to set atmel-firmware to "hold" just Quit aptitude and re-rung the apt-get upgrade. |
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| 10:09.05 | paulswm | Giovanni: It looks syntactically corrrect if your script is named 'startup', and if you don't want to put a stop in there for shutdown |
| 10:09.50 | zlost1 | bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 10:10.05 | yhg | I don't suppose anyone else here is using the XFCE 4.2 packages from os-cillation.com? |
| 10:10.11 | Giovanni | paulswm i'vn't unserstand what's the runlevel... |
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| 10:11.00 | Giovanni | paulswm ... and why i need a stop... |
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| 10:11.58 | phorce1 | zlost1: erkkk -- OK. I'll check how to do it with dpkg then |
| 10:13.05 | paulswm | Giovanni: check out section 2.4 of the Debian REference Manual |
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| 10:13.22 | zlost1 | thanks man |
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| 10:14.16 | paulswm | Giovanni: Also section 9.3 of the Debian Policy manual |
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| 10:14.48 | fooz | nvidia is evil :/ |
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| 10:15.59 | Shearer | hello |
| 10:16.56 | paulswm | Giovanni: You mahave to apt-get install debian-policy for that doc, but it explains runlevels and script numbering pretty well. Also, ls -l the different runlevel directories, look at the links back to /etc/init.d, and you'll get a better feel for how your system boots and where to put your script |
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| 10:18.45 | Giovanni | paulswm thank's |
| 10:18.57 | paulswm | Giovanni: You are most welcome. |
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| 10:19.26 | phorce1 | zlost1: OK -- use 'dselect'. When it's running hit "2" to select packages. Hit [SPACE] to get out of the help screen hit "/" to start a search. Search for "atmel-fi". hit "=" to put it on hold. hit "Q" to get out of the select screen. hit "6" to quit and save the state of the packages. |
| 10:19.36 | Albacker | can anyone tell me why cant I run applications from a root terminal ? |
| 10:19.50 | Shearer | existe a package for lucent winmodem for kernel 2.4.18 ? |
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| 10:20.31 | zlost1 | thank you |
| 10:20.37 | zlost1 | brb fixing |
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| 10:21.22 | Albacker | can anyone tell me why cant I run applications from a root terminal ? |
| 10:21.41 | Eclipser_ | umm |
| 10:21.44 | Eclipser_ | x applications? |
| 10:21.54 | Albacker | yes. |
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| 10:22.17 | Eclipser_ | try sux? |
| 10:22.18 | Albacker | xlib connection refused by server [something like this] |
| 10:22.33 | Albacker | what should I do with it ? |
| 10:22.50 | Eclipser_ | it's like su |
| 10:23.03 | Albacker | I dont have it :S |
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| 10:23.58 | Eclipser_ | 'xhost +' works as well as the user you're logged in X |
| 10:24.52 | Albacker | i did su - |
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| 10:25.03 | Albacker | and than kwrite and it said kwrite cannot connect to X serber |
| 10:25.18 | Zvpun | xhost + is unsafe |
| 10:25.24 | Eclipser_ | Zvpun, I know :) |
| 10:25.27 | Eclipser_ | but I'm too busy to help |
| 10:25.27 | Zvpun | use ssh -CX root@localhost |
| 10:25.40 | Zvpun | that doesnt make sense |
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| 10:26.08 | Zvpun | if you are too busy to help, why do you give bad advice? |
| 10:26.21 | paulswm | !win Zvpun |
| 10:26.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, Zvpun! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 10:26.25 | wolfsong | how do i make a boot floppy? |
| 10:26.39 | arango | What's the name of the app that changes console resolutions ? |
| 10:26.46 | wolfsong | when i try mkboot it says command not found |
| 10:27.00 | Albacker | it says connection refused |
| 10:27.04 | Albacker | :S |
| 10:27.48 | Zvpun | paulswm: wtf? |
| 10:28.06 | Zvpun | Albacker: use ssh |
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| 10:28.22 | paulswm | Zvpun: agreeing with your remark: <Zvpun> if you are too busy to help, why do you give bad advice? |
| 10:28.37 | Zvpun | paulswm: i thought it was ironic. |
| 10:28.54 | Albacker | it doesnt work Zvpun : connection refused |
| 10:29.07 | paulswm | Zvpun: Yes, you beat me to a similar reply :) |
| 10:29.27 | Zvpun | paulswm: so you actually won the 2nd place not me :-) |
| 10:29.34 | Zvpun | !win paulswm |
| 10:29.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, paulswm! You have won the US presidency! |
| 10:29.36 | Albacker | port 22 |
| 10:29.39 | arango | What's the name of the app that changes the console resolution ? |
| 10:29.42 | Zvpun | paulswm: shit |
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| 10:29.45 | paulswm | Heh! |
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| 10:30.13 | Albacker | paulswm you must go to #happy_kids |
| 10:30.20 | Albacker | :D |
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| 10:31.23 | paulswm | Zvpun: The only way I'd win 2nd place in a beauty contest is if there were just two contestants |
| 10:32.27 | jvw | SiliconViper: #debian-java |
| 10:32.30 | paulswm | Albacker: Days of being a kid are long past, I'm one of the resident ol' geezers |
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| 10:32.52 | ed_ | hi, im running debian unstable. where is the tomcat package? i cant find it with apt-cache |
| 10:33.13 | paulswm | And obviously with no life, as here I am on debian at 0533 local |
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| 10:33.33 | wee | dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture i686 |
| 10:33.34 | pzin | paulswm, what age range is the old geezer |
| 10:33.39 | wee | any suggestion? :S |
| 10:33.56 | ed_ | paulswm, 1033 here |
| 10:34.29 | paulswm | pzin: well most people here are young, so 54 makes me a geezer according to a discussion a couple weeks ago |
| 10:34.29 | wee | sorry: this is the complete error, dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture i686 does not appear in package's list |
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| 10:35.04 | paulswm | ed_: You are, I assume, in .uk |
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| 10:36.00 | ed_ | paulswm, you are correct |
| 10:36.29 | paulswm | ed_: I'm Welsh, resident in central Florida, much better weather :) |
| 10:36.59 | ed_ | paulswm, yeah but the air is not as clean over there |
| 10:37.01 | stew | paulswm: i think i'd probably prefer welsh weather |
| 10:37.21 | paulswm | Well, apart from my house getting direct hits from three out of four hurricanes last year |
| 10:37.53 | ed_ | paulswm, did you loose uptime? |
| 10:37.57 | paulswm | ed_: That statement is ony true in a few big cities |
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| 10:39.12 | paulswm | ed_: Not sure what you mean, we lost power for about a week with one, about 3 days each with the other two, not surprising as we had 100mph+ winds |
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| 10:40.15 | ed_ | oh, just wondering. i guess a bad place to have a site hosted is in Florida |
| 10:40.23 | paulswm | No TV, no A/C, no fans, but a gas stove, so hot food, but it was *very* hot in the house, almost impossible to sleep |
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| 10:41.21 | paulswm | ed_: You can get a generator for a couple thousand bucks which will keep your fridge, fans, TV and computers up |
| 10:41.23 | ed_ | paulswm, greek summer is ok with no A/C if you walk around butt naked that is. |
| 10:41.42 | ardy | I have automount set up but when I go to my directory where it should be mounting drives, it fails to even check if there are drives to mount |
| 10:41.44 | paulswm | ed_: I was brought up in Malaya with no a/c, tell me about it |
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| 10:44.30 | paulswm | Hey, for all you fellow vim users: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/viman.gif |
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| 10:45.35 | ed_ | .. notepad |
| 10:45.39 | arango | What's the name of the app that changes the console resolution ? |
| 10:45.53 | paulswm | Good morning, karsten :) |
| 10:45.57 | karsten | arango: SVGATextMode |
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| 10:46.10 | karsten | paulswm: The only good morning's a dead morning. |
| 10:46.11 | domme | can anyone tell me what "to outstare" means? |
| 10:46.16 | ed_ | arango, whats wrong with 80x25? |
| 10:46.33 | karsten | domme: Find a cat. |
| 10:46.40 | karsten | domme: Look deeply into its eyes. |
| 10:46.45 | karsten | domme: Do not blink. |
| 10:46.46 | ed_ | ./msg domme o.o |
| 10:46.46 | paulswm | karsten: The way I see it, any morning when I wake up and I don't have a chalk line drawn around me is a good morning :) |
| 10:46.46 | stew | !dict outstare |
| 10:46.48 | dpkg | Dictionary 'outstare' (2 shown): overcome or cause to waver or submit by (or as if by) staring; "He simply stared down his opponent" ;; Outstare \Out*stare"\, v. t. To excel or overcome in staring; to face down.. |
| 10:47.04 | domme | karsten: thank you :) |
| 10:47.32 | paulswm | Heh! |
| 10:47.46 | karsten | ed_: Um. About 35. |
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| 10:54.25 | dureyes | what is the most used office suite by debian users? |
| 10:54.36 | syd | Anyone online? I have some problems with apt-get and unstable packages.. |
| 10:55.03 | syd | Anyone avaiable for little help? |
| 10:55.06 | ed_ | dureyes: openoffice |
| 10:55.17 | syd | Unmet dependencies: with php4. |
| 10:55.28 | ed_ | syd |
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| 10:55.49 | ed_ | apt-get update, apt-get remove php4, apt-get install *php* |
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| 10:56.27 | dureyes | ed_: Thank you |
| 10:57.05 | syd | ed: :) |
| 10:57.08 | ed_ | dureyes, many users use vi and awk as a access replacement |
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| 10:58.12 | dureyes | ed_: what is the apt syntax to get openoffice, apt-get install openoffice did not work for me? |
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| 10:59.01 | ed_ | dureyes, the syntax is apt-cache search openoffice |
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| 10:59.35 | ed_ | or to be more precise, apt-get install $( apt-cache search openoffice | cut -f 1 ) |
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| 10:59.53 | dureyes | thanks |
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| 11:00.30 | sobersabre | i am so stupid asking this... but i can't find out: started using KDE, and the desktop is grainy. it's 1024x768, 24 bit, hsync, vsync set by the manual of the monitor. stoill - sometihng is ugly |
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| 11:00.37 | sobersabre | what shall i be looking at ? |
| 11:01.07 | ed_ | sobersabre, vidtune |
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| 11:01.43 | sobersabre | well and ... ? vidtune is only a tool. I have symptoms.... i need to understand, not to play with vidtune... |
| 11:01.52 | sobersabre | what is wrong ? |
| 11:02.09 | ed_ | sobersabre, your monitor has a high dot pitch |
| 11:02.22 | sobersabre | i have disabled renderAccel in nvidia card. can it be this ? |
| 11:02.34 | sobersabre | ed_ how can i tell ? |
| 11:02.57 | ed_ | get the nvida driver from nvidia.com, follow their readme, should be ok |
| 11:03.41 | valdyn | sobersabre: do not do that |
| 11:03.46 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 11:03.46 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia is To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 11:03.50 | sobersabre | :) |
| 11:04.20 | valdyn | sobersabre: nvidia.com's installer fucks up things, use the debs |
| 11:04.31 | valdyn | !nvidia howto |
| 11:04.31 | dpkg | i guess nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody |
| 11:04.49 | sobersabre | valdyn, I can't agree :) |
| 11:05.15 | sobersabre | but I take your words as good input. |
| 11:05.24 | ed_ | !tomcat howto |
| 11:05.26 | valdyn | sobersabre: i dont care, i dont have to fix your broken system later on.. |
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| 11:05.35 | ed_ | !jakarta howto |
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| 11:05.54 | sobersabre | :) I had X lockups earlier. and after i disabled accelrender - it worked smoothly. |
| 11:05.59 | greenfly | ed_: eh, the 2.6 kernel hackers are too busy breaking other things to break nvidia :p |
| 11:06.11 | sobersabre | now something has changed since my last apt-get upgrade |
| 11:06.20 | greenfly | s/ed_/valdyn/ |
| 11:06.53 | ed_ | greenfly, whats broken in 2.6? |
| 11:07.15 | sobersabre | guys... which pm i should use for taking ps output [proc table] and analyzng it ? |
| 11:07.15 | greenfly | there's been a number of random issues post 2.6.7 |
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| 11:07.33 | greenfly | the latest 2.6 looks okay ATM |
| 11:07.35 | DuaneAllman | what do you suggest for a desktop user? sarge or sid? |
| 11:07.40 | sobersabre | i mean is there a proc something pragma ? |
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| 11:07.55 | valdyn | DuaneAllman: sarge |
| 11:08.02 | sobersabre | sarge. |
| 11:08.19 | domme | sarge with additional unstable sources :) |
| 11:08.21 | deb-fun | yeah, Sarge |
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| 11:09.07 | valdyn | DuaneAllman: unstable ( sid ) is untested, last year one package did "rm -rf /", you dont want to use it on a desktop/workstation if you want to get work don |
| 11:09.18 | DuaneAllman | I've installed sarge but I need some packages provided by sid. hope installing them won't break my system |
| 11:09.36 | ed_ | valdyn, what package was that? |
| 11:09.41 | DuaneAllman | valdyn, ok, thanks |
| 11:10.02 | valdyn | ed_: no idea, try the bts |
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| 11:11.35 | DuaneAllman | just another question, will mono for debian (http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/) break my system? |
| 11:11.50 | valdyn | !info mono sarge |
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| 11:11.58 | DuaneAllman | !info mono sarge |
| 11:12.01 | sobersabre | valdyn, the nvidia page rox. |
| 11:12.07 | sobersabre | thanks. |
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| 11:12.39 | valdyn | !info mono sid |
| 11:12.54 | dpkg | mono: (The Mono .NET development environment), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 11:14.40 | DuaneAllman | is there a good rule to follow in order to mix sid and sarge packages without breaking the system? |
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| 11:15.23 | stew | !quick sarge/sid mix |
| 11:15.23 | valdyn | DuaneAllman: use brain, dont use packages from sid if you can avoid it, don't use packages that depend on even more sid packages |
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| 11:15.44 | stew | !quick sid/sarge mix |
| 11:15.46 | dpkg | i heard quick sid/sarge mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than sarge (e.g. nvidia-glx) |
| 11:16.21 | stew | DuaneAllman: but definately listen to valdyn |
| 11:17.22 | DuaneAllman | so, now, suppose I have package X installed from the sid repo, If I remove sid from sources.list how do I revert back to the sarge X version? |
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| 11:17.57 | stew | DuaneAllman: by purging it and all other packages it depends on, in general downgrading isn't supported by apt |
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| 11:18.01 | Zvpun | can anyone recommend a cd backup startegy? |
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| 11:18.41 | Bouncy | when installing debian 3, how do you set a second hdd to /home, when selecting mount another partition it only give's me the option to mound partitions on /dev/hda not on /dev/hdb.. any ideas.? or do i have to mount the other drive on /home after installation.? |
| 11:18.52 | DuaneAllman | ok, thanks for now. I have to reboot using a sid kernel... |
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| 11:19.13 | sml | Bouncy: you need to add /dev/hdb to fstab |
| 11:19.22 | Bouncy | when installing.? |
| 11:19.38 | sml | no no either during or after is fine |
| 11:20.29 | sml | just make sure /dev/hdb is recognised by linux.. ie you have used fdisk to put a filesystem on it, and then put those details in fstab. |
| 11:20.59 | sml | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.12 | Bouncy | sml: cool ill try that, thanks |
| 11:21.38 | hellfire | sml: what is "noatime" ? |
| 11:21.52 | sml | but if /home is already a mount point either change the other mount point or remove it, OR put /home/Bouncy as the mount point coz you cant mount two filesystems on the same mount point |
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| 11:22.20 | Shay | sml; yes you can |
| 11:22.48 | hellfire | sml: i RTFM. forget the question. |
| 11:23.12 | Bouncy | dam old cdrom drive cant read the cd properley :( |
| 11:23.15 | sml | Shay: can you? |
| 11:23.49 | sml | Bouncy: anyway everthing is in man fstab. |
| 11:24.06 | Bouncy | sml: cool thanks for the help |
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| 11:26.42 | Shay | smacnay_; it ain't that healthy, but yes, you can |
| 11:26.42 | Zvpun | can anyone recommend a cd backup startegy? |
| 11:26.49 | Shay | zarchne; /bin/sh :-) |
| 11:27.06 | Shay | err |
| 11:27.12 | Shay | Zvpun; /bin/sh :-) |
| 11:27.13 | sml | Zvpun: dump, tar, nc... |
| 11:27.18 | stew | you definately can have 2 partitions mounted to the same mount point |
| 11:27.25 | Guerin | Zvpun: rsnapshot |
| 11:27.30 | sml | stew: well i've learned something new today then stew :) |
| 11:27.37 | sml | and fancy that i've been using linux 10 years |
| 11:27.48 | karsten | Zvpun: Tape. |
| 11:27.52 | sml | mind you i've never tried it i just assumed you'd get mount point busy.. |
| 11:28.59 | Zvpun | sml: Guerin: karsten: do they split at let's say 650 MB? |
| 11:29.03 | sml | stew: i think i might document all my findings on Oracle on linux since i've used it on NT and Solaris. just migrating all our servers now but i'll document the findings |
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| 11:29.29 | sml | found some bugs in Ocal. |
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| 11:30.18 | sml | Zvpun: split ? |
| 11:30.38 | sml | you want to back up in blocks of 650MB iso9660 ?? |
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| 11:31.09 | Guerin | Zvpun: rsnapshot just makes rsync copies of your data. You can also use tar and split to achieve the same thing |
| 11:31.29 | Guerin | Zvpun: or you could just buy a spare HDD in an enclosure |
| 11:31.40 | Guerin | which would be 650 times saner |
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| 11:32.25 | Zvpun | sml: split splits the file, so it is impossible to read the archive without cating it all together again, that needs more hdspace that I have |
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| 11:32.36 | sml | Zvpun: easy. pipe tar to split. |
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| 11:33.17 | sml | tar -c -y /foo/bar - | split -b 600000000 usav us |
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| 11:33.32 | Guerin | Zvpun: tar has a volumerising function too |
| 11:33.50 | Guerin | to span an archive over more than one volume |
| 11:33.55 | Guerin | like |
| 11:34.39 | sml | or use cddump |
| 11:35.13 | sml | Zvpun: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Backup/ |
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| 11:35.21 | sml | i personallly just use tar and dat tape |
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| 11:37.03 | sml | well time to go find the ol' coffee machine. |
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| 11:39.50 | Bouncy | what is better, ext2 or ext3.? |
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| 11:40.05 | karsten | !better |
| 11:40.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 11:40.48 | Zvpun | Bouncy: ext3 is ext2 + a jornal |
| 11:41.01 | ketamine-usp | on filesystem, what would be best choice for laptop linux system |
| 11:41.04 | Zvpun | Bouncy: you can even mount a ext3 as ext2. So you probably want ext3 |
| 11:41.14 | karsten | Bouncy: You'll probably want ext3. It's got journaling, faster recovery. Doesn't let you recover deleted files. Journal file takes up more space on small (< ~100 MB) partitions. |
| 11:41.14 | Bouncy | ok thx |
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| 11:41.37 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 11:41.44 | alex_joni | can anyone point me to some basic exim4 docs? |
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| 11:42.01 | nullvoid | I am using ddns3-client, how do I know if it's working? |
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| 11:42.08 | karsten | alex_joni: /usr/share/doc/exim4/ |
| 11:42.08 | alex_joni | switching from a sendmail system, coverting mailboxes, etc (what would be needed) |
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| 11:42.32 | ketamine-usp | hi.. |
| 11:42.39 | sml | alex_joni: sendmail doesn't use mailboxes. do you mean the mail spool ? |
| 11:42.42 | karsten | alex_joni: Um. User mailboxes shouldn't need changing. /var/spool is mbox format. |
| 11:42.50 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.51 | alex_joni | yeah |
| 11:43.03 | nullvoid | I use ddns3-client with dyndns.org domain , but when I ping mydebian.ath.cx it resolve at my local ip, I even try to ping from outside but no reply |
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| 11:43.10 | sml | alex_joni: exim can use those. apt-get --purge sendmail, apt-get install exim |
| 11:43.10 | alex_joni | I plan to reinstall a machine |
| 11:43.19 | alex_joni | currently running RH8 |
| 11:43.46 | alex_joni | and I installed debian (sarge) on a new harddisk |
| 11:44.10 | alex_joni | I need to make the change transparent |
| 11:44.24 | sml | why not just carry on using sendmail ? |
| 11:44.29 | karsten | alex_joni: How many users / mailboxes? |
| 11:44.32 | sml | copy the /etc/sendmail.cf file across onto debian |
| 11:44.45 | ketamine-usp | what would be the best filesystem for use on a debian installation on laptop/ |
| 11:44.51 | nullvoid | alex_joni: consider postfix instead of exim |
| 11:44.52 | sml | add all the users to the debian box, away you go |
| 11:45.12 | karsten | ketamine-usp: What are you trying to optimize? |
| 11:45.22 | sml | nullvoid: i've heard that postfix is more error tollerant and secure but why do you say postfix over exim ? |
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| 11:45.40 | ketamine-usp | karsten, battery life & recovery |
| 11:45.43 | karsten | ketamine-usp: Generally: ext3. Journalled. More reliable than reiserfs with sudden power outs. |
| 11:46.11 | alex_joni | karsten: a few (around 30) |
| 11:46.16 | sml | ketamine-usp: ext3 might be better on a laptop if you frequently let the batteries drain and dont use suspend to disk |
| 11:46.17 | ketamine-usp | karsten, people said ext3 did lots writes, is it so? |
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| 11:46.25 | karsten | ketamine-usp: recovery: ext3. Life: that's setting spinup/spindown. There are laptop howtos which cover disk settings. Suggest you Google. |
| 11:46.36 | alex_joni | I don't have any favor for exim, but sarge installed it by default? |
| 11:46.38 | ketamine-usp | karsten, thanks |
| 11:46.42 | karsten | ketamine-usp: It's tunable. However, what's not written isn't saved. |
| 11:46.52 | karsten | ketamine-usp: ...how long are you planning not to have power? |
| 11:47.04 | alex_joni | sml: that would work without adjustments? |
| 11:47.43 | sml | erm exim works out of the box.. took me about a week to tune my sendmail.cf (well it would have taken less time had i of known about mc4) |
| 11:47.54 | ketamine-usp | karsten, that's a laptop i use mainly at school. |
| 11:48.06 | sml | vim and sendmail.cf. its only chapter 12 of the bat book that you are told about the macros language m4 |
| 11:48.16 | sml | i guess they do that to make you learn it the hard way. |
| 11:48.27 | alex_joni | I remember having to tune a sendmail.cf onxe, it was not something I'd like to do again |
| 11:48.43 | karsten | ketamine-usp: IME you can rarely get more than an hour or two's good go w/o power at best. |
| 11:48.50 | karsten | ketamine-usp: Really depends on what you're doing. |
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| 11:48.56 | sml | alex_joni: well i use exim (now) and its a doddle. but someone here suggested postfix, i cant really comment on how easy that is to setup |
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| 11:49.12 | ketamine-usp | karsten, i can do 4-5 hours in windows; can i do the same with linux? |
| 11:49.16 | sml | exim is more like configuring any other daemon whereas sendmail is like well.. a nightmare. |
| 11:49.19 | alex_joni | sml: what's a doddle? |
| 11:49.33 | sml | mind you.. that said i never had ANY problems with sendmail in all the years i ran it. |
| 11:49.37 | sml | a doggle = simple. |
| 11:49.39 | sml | oops |
| 11:49.45 | sml | s/gg/dd/ |
| 11:49.46 | alex_joni | thx |
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| 11:49.55 | alex_joni | problems with exim? |
| 11:50.11 | sml | erm.. none with exim. my stupidty YES, but not with exim. |
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| 11:50.30 | sml | I had to change some things to keep compatibility with my procmail scripts |
| 11:50.45 | alex_joni | another question: do you guys use antivir programs? |
| 11:50.52 | sml | of which i have LOADS. /etc/procmailrc and various. if you have any $SENDMAIL -t oi, type stuff.. it may break. |
| 11:51.06 | ketamine-usp | ah, can anybody suggest some site for using wireless lan on linux given good networking background? |
| 11:51.21 | alex_joni | ketamine-usp: what wifi chip? |
| 11:51.29 | sml | alex_joni: do you make extensive use of calling sendmail from procmail scripts ? if so you will need to make sure the switches are compatible or dont need altering. |
| 11:51.38 | ketamine-usp | alex_joni, centrino, ipw2100. |
| 11:51.40 | alex_joni | sml: don't think so |
| 11:51.49 | sml | alex_joni: ok you'll find it easy using exim then. |
| 11:52.15 | alex_joni | don't know if the drivers are out for ipw2100, there was (last time I checked, half a year ago) a comercial driver |
| 11:52.19 | ketamine-usp | alex_joni, i mean stuff like where can i put the default ESSID and WEP keys... etc. |
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| 11:52.25 | ketamine-usp | alex_joni, the drivers are there. |
| 11:52.29 | sml | alex_joni: as for viruses are the email clients win32 systems ? |
| 11:52.31 | alex_joni | nice to hear that |
| 11:52.32 | paulswm | ketamine-usp: what encryption are you going to use |
| 11:52.36 | alex_joni | sml: yes |
| 11:52.40 | alex_joni | WEP or WPA? |
| 11:52.44 | ketamine-usp | WEP |
| 11:53.05 | alex_joni | I used to use SuSE |
| 11:53.19 | alex_joni | SuSE had the wireless stuff in /etc/sysconfig/network |
| 11:53.29 | sml | alex_joni: I honestly dont know if there's any free virus software you can run on the mail server. |
| 11:53.37 | alex_joni | sml: thx |
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| 11:53.52 | alex_joni | that's what was my impression too |
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| 11:54.06 | suncomet | what's wrong and how to fix when I get: version magic '2.6.8-2-686 PENTIUM4 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.8-2-686 preempt 686 gcc-3.3' in dmesg, when trying to modprobe ath_pci? |
| 11:54.29 | alex_joni | ath_pci compiled for different kernel? |
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| 11:54.35 | VoX | i'm having trouble with GTK. it's displaying text in weird colours. i've tried removing all gtk apps and gtk-based libs, purging confs and reinstalling them to no effect. any ideas? |
| 11:54.36 | paulswm | ketamine-usp: there's a Linux wireless howto, and lots of stuff on google |
| 11:54.39 | sml | alex_joni: i've heard that some windows viruss now work in WINE! |
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| 11:54.47 | alex_joni | sml: really? |
| 11:55.03 | alex_joni | I'm not playing to install X on this machine, so wine is out of the question ;) |
| 11:55.07 | suncomet | alex_joni, i thought that i compiled it in my system :/ |
| 11:55.14 | sml | ketamine-usp: if you use WEP in a secure environment you should really run another form of encryption on the data, like a vpn or ssh.. |
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| 11:55.32 | Zvpun | VoX: but you dont have this trouble with a different user. So you still have a configuration file in your home directory which you should find |
| 11:55.38 | alex_joni | suncomet: seems the module is compiled for a generic preemt kernel, you have an optimized P4 kernel running |
| 11:55.44 | kpanik | hello |
| 11:55.49 | VoX | Zvpun: it's now happening with any user |
| 11:56.02 | ketamine-usp | paulswm, thanks |
| 11:56.09 | alex_joni | ketamine-usp: look into freeswan, ipsec |
| 11:56.17 | sml | alex_joni: I like X but only coz the terminals are clearer than when im running screen. |
| 11:56.20 | suncomet | alex_joni, so i have not compiled it for my system and i should compile it, right? |
| 11:56.20 | ketamine-usp | sml, heh. that's just my home stuff and it doesn't matter even if others can see it :) |
| 11:56.30 | ketamine-usp | sml, thanks for your advice anyway :) |
| 11:56.31 | sml | alex_joni: the laptop i use has some kind of screen problem so i use X to run my rxvts |
| 11:56.34 | ketamine-usp | alex_joni, thanks |
| 11:56.43 | arcus | alex_joni: you have to jump through hoops to get viruses to work in wine... |
| 11:56.44 | paulswm | ketamine-usp: np, your setup will all be in /etc/network/interfaces as you're using WEP |
| 11:56.45 | alex_joni | suncomet: if you compiled the kernel, you should compile the modules too |
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| 11:56.52 | sml | ketamine-usp: you should look into Diceware(tm) |
| 11:56.58 | sml | ketamine-usp: "seriously" |
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| 11:57.24 | sml | ketamine-usp: its a way of choosing a cryptographically "good" passphrase, that's easy to remember and hard to suss out. |
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| 11:57.35 | paulswm | ketamine-usp: If there isn't a Linux driver for your card you'll need to use the Windows driver with ndiswrapper |
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| 11:57.48 | alex_joni | how do you guys admin iptables usually? |
| 11:57.55 | suncomet | alex_joni, i got the kernel-image via apt-get, so i should compile the kernel for my self? |
| 11:57.58 | sml | alex_joni: with the userspace command "iptables" :-) |
| 11:57.58 | DuaneAllman | so, I have another problem. fstab-sync doesn't want to update fstab |
| 11:58.02 | alex_joni | I used to have a custom script run from /etc/init.d |
| 11:58.08 | sml | alex_joni: netfilter is the code, iptables is the tool :) |
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| 11:58.21 | ketamine-usp | sml, i'm using gpg with my daily work thanks for your advice anyway |
| 11:58.23 | alex_joni | I know that |
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| 11:58.54 | alex_joni | sml: I wanted to ask if there's no default admin-script |
| 11:58.56 | sml | ketamine-usp: I use gpg too but i use a smartcard. most private keys can be stolen quite trivially and broken in just an easy a way. |
| 11:59.00 | alex_joni | sml: there is one on SuSE |
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| 11:59.15 | alex_joni | but I ended up using my own, so I have no problem with that |
| 11:59.21 | sml | alex_joni: oh i see. you mean a way to create an iptables script. |
| 11:59.28 | ketamine-usp | sml, true, though. |
| 11:59.38 | sml | alex_joni: in the old days there was firewall.sh... back in the ipfwadm days. i dunno about now |
| 11:59.59 | alex_joni | sml: ok, don't worry... I'm prefectly good with running my own script |
| 12:00.29 | sml | alex_joni: you really are better off writing your own though.. if there is a bug in the program it could be a chink in the armour of your defences and not only that but you really should be able to know what every rule does and why its there. you also get to take advantage of advanced features not catered for by any "admin" scripts |
| 12:00.34 | ketamine-usp | btw where is the nice bot dpkg that has been here for a time before? |
| 12:00.42 | DuaneAllman | how do I tell hal to fire fstab-sync when hotplugging a device? |
| 12:00.44 | alex_joni | sml: so true |
| 12:01.01 | alex_joni | sml: SuSE's firewall script produces around 20 pages of rules ;) |
| 12:01.07 | sml | Heh. |
| 12:01.09 | alex_joni | I gave up hacking that |
| 12:01.14 | karsten | ketamine-usp: dpkg is pretty much always here. |
| 12:01.14 | sml | i've never used SuSe. |
| 12:01.16 | alex_joni | so I wrote my own a few years ago |
| 12:01.17 | suncomet | alex_joni, i go and compile my kernel, thanks :) |
| 12:01.18 | karsten | ketamine-usp: /msg dpkg test |
| 12:01.26 | alex_joni | suncomet: didn't say that |
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| 12:01.45 | alex_joni | suncomet: I said IF you compile a kernel, you SHOULD compile modules too |
| 12:02.08 | suncomet | alex_joni, i haven't compile my kernel but that module i had to |
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| 12:02.18 | alex_joni | ahh.. I see |
| 12:02.28 | alex_joni | the other way around ;) |
| 12:02.37 | suncomet | alex_joni, yep :) |
| 12:02.43 | ketamine-usp | thanks karsten |
| 12:02.48 | alex_joni | maybe you need to load the debian config for the kernel |
| 12:02.58 | alex_joni | that way the module compiled will fit the running kernel |
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| 12:03.01 | sml | ketamine-usp: have you ever tried Ketamin ? |
| 12:03.07 | ketamine-usp | these days things really changes a lot. now the default 'desktop' installation of debian is like 1.4G... |
| 12:03.20 | suncomet | alex_joni, hmm, not know about that... how to load debian config for the kernel? |
| 12:03.27 | ketamine-usp | sml, ah, not really. i've seen child operated on ketamine before though. |
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| 12:03.31 | si|vercat | how do I flash my bios without a floppy? |
| 12:03.33 | sml | i was reading an article on KDE vs Gnome in my linux journal from back '99 last night. was a funny read. |
| 12:03.38 | alex_joni | suncomet: sorry, don't know enough about debian to tell you that |
| 12:03.48 | krepstukosow | duxai |
| 12:03.49 | alex_joni | usually there is a file .config |
| 12:03.56 | alex_joni | in /usr/src/kernel |
| 12:03.57 | sml | ketamine-usp: really? i thought it was only for animals. |
| 12:04.08 | ketamine-usp | sml, that's for childrens in the 1980s. |
| 12:04.18 | alex_joni | suncomet: and if you compile a kernel and install it to /boot I usually copy the config there too |
| 12:04.22 | sml | well thats the second thing i've learned today! |
| 12:04.25 | suncomet | alex_joni, ah, ok, i will see, i should compile my kernel nevertheless thought, but thanks :) |
| 12:04.30 | alex_joni | suncomet: don't know how deb does it by default |
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| 12:04.38 | alex_joni | suncomt: well then.. enjoy ;) |
| 12:04.44 | sml | so has anyone got any cool night planned for tonight then ? |
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| 12:04.56 | PerfDave | suncomet: Why should you compile a kernel? Debian's kernel-image packages are great. |
| 12:05.00 | ketamine-usp | i'm not sure whether its also for adults though, but from the records of the children (now-adults) i've seen they usually had that in the 1980s |
| 12:05.11 | alex_joni | PerfDave: he's missing a module |
| 12:05.15 | suncomet | PerfDave, well, i have module that i have compiled and it won't fit |
| 12:05.22 | PerfDave | suncomet: Which module? |
| 12:05.25 | sml | suncomet: there is kernel-package, or some such. tells you in the FAQ how to compile a kernel from sources "the debian way" |
| 12:05.40 | Zvpun | does anyone know details about cloop. Is it possible to create an ext2 file which uses cloop comprssion? |
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| 12:05.44 | sml | I use debian in production so i dont compile a new kernel unless i NEED a new feature. |
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| 12:05.45 | PerfDave | suncomet: Compiling a third-party module normally doesn't involve recompiling your entire kernel. |
| 12:06.00 | suncomet | PerfDave, i know, madwifi's ath_pci |
| 12:06.04 | sml | some of my machines have uptimes of over three years. |
| 12:06.06 | ketamine-usp | do i need to rebuilt a kernel by myself if i need the ipw2100 driver? |
| 12:06.13 | xogon | Zvpun: create_compressed_fs and extract_compressed_fs are the tools |
| 12:06.14 | PerfDave | sml: I'm lazy, so I just use kernel-image packages ;) |
| 12:06.24 | alex_joni | ketamine-usp: no |
| 12:06.38 | Zvpun | xogon: did you use them? |
| 12:06.40 | sml | 12:07:25 up 234 days, 14:00, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 12:06.44 | sml | that's just this machine.. |
| 12:06.45 | sml | :_) |
| 12:06.45 | alex_joni | sml: what kernels do you run on those ;) |
| 12:06.59 | sml | this one is 2.4.22 |
| 12:07.02 | PerfDave | ketamine-usp: No, use module-assistant |
| 12:07.07 | alex_joni | I have a 4-years old machine, running 2.2.13 :) |
| 12:07.14 | sml | alex_joni: :-) nice. |
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| 12:07.22 | alex_joni | sml: not network connected though |
| 12:07.25 | PerfDave | suncomet: No idea about that, but you shouldn't need to recompile your kernel to compile a third-party module against it. |
| 12:07.30 | sml | 2.2.9 is on my longest running "i think" i'd have to check. |
| 12:07.35 | suncomet | PerfDave, when i compile that and try to get the module to the kernel i get: version magic '2.6.8-2-686 PENTIUM4 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.8-2-686 preempt 686 gcc-3.3' |
| 12:07.39 | sml | alex_joni: oh right.. all of mine are in CONSTANT use. |
| 12:07.51 | sml | the most recent is my laptop (of course) that i use for ... daily buggerin about :) |
| 12:08.07 | PerfDave | suncomet: looks like you've got a version mismatch. You should fix that ;) |
| 12:08.17 | suncomet | PerfDave, oh really :) |
| 12:08.29 | alex_joni | suncomet: try doing a make menuconfig |
| 12:08.29 | ketamine-usp | PerfDave, what've module-assistant? |
| 12:08.30 | infrared | I have a couple debian boxes and I'm installing Gentoo on my laptop (pentium m), so I want to use gcc 3.4. what would be the proper way of telling the debian boxes to use gcc-3.4 as the default? and is that a wise choice or should I make it distcc's default only? |
| 12:08.45 | alex_joni | suncomet: and select preemt for processor |
| 12:08.53 | PerfDave | ketamine-usp: apt-get install module-assistant; module-assistant auto-install ipw2100-source |
| 12:09.11 | sml | infrared: you need a beowulf system to compile stuff for gentoo :) |
| 12:09.12 | Zvpun | xogon: I want to know if this would be possible: multicd creates ext2-image-file of size 650 MB and copies the backup data into it. Could I somehow use cloop to compress this image such that it is still of size 650 MB? |
| 12:09.19 | ketamine-usp | does it also download the ipw2100-fw? |
| 12:09.21 | alex_joni | PerfDave: that should work for suncomet too? |
| 12:09.26 | suncomet | alex_joni, hmm, i check |
| 12:09.26 | PerfDave | ketamine-usp: That will download everything it needs, compile the ipw2100 driver and load it. |
| 12:09.42 | sml | infrared: the easiest way to not have problems, IMHO, would be to use gentoo distcc boxen |
| 12:09.45 | PerfDave | alex_joni: Doesn't look like it. Install module-assistant and do "module-assistant list" as root. |
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| 12:09.58 | ketamine-usp | sml, we probably need a beowulf cluster of cell processors to do compilation for gent00 |
| 12:10.00 | sml | coz if you distribute compile some code and one of them uses the wrong gcc...... |
| 12:10.05 | alex_joni | bummer ;) |
| 12:10.15 | PerfDave | infrared: If you install a gcc-3.4 package, then Debian will use it as default AFAIK. If not, then you should be able to use update-alternatives to set it. |
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| 12:10.22 | sml | ketamine-usp: i compiled openoffice on a gentoo box once. wasn't pleasent. |
| 12:10.29 | sml | s/se/sa |
| 12:10.32 | PerfDave | sml: I used Gentoo once. Wasn't pleasant. |
| 12:10.38 | infrared | PerfDave: oh okay, I did install gcc-3.4 but it didn't default, let me take a look at this update-alternatives you mentioned.. |
| 12:10.47 | alex_joni | is there a one-place system config tool in debian? |
| 12:10.53 | PerfDave | alex_joni: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:10.56 | ketamine-usp | i find it hard to use actually... :) |
| 12:11.03 | ketamine-usp | several years of debian usage makes people lazy |
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| 12:11.10 | alex_joni | I used dpkg-reconfigure a little |
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| 12:11.18 | xogon | Zvpun: i think there's a way to mount a cloop compressed CD rom, if that's what you mean. that's what knoppix does also |
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| 12:11.24 | sml | ketamine-usp: gentoo is very easy to use once you work out that YOU are in charge of all the dependencies :-) |
| 12:11.28 | bender-rw- | ketamine-usp: thats true |
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| 12:11.33 | alex_joni | I used to use YAST a lot, and it was very nice |
| 12:12.02 | PerfDave | Gentoo is easy to use once you realise that it's not *supposed* to work, and reinstall Debian ;) |
| 12:12.04 | Zvpun | xogon: know I mean how do I know about the compressed image size. I must not exceed 650 MB |
| 12:12.12 | Zvpun | xogon: s/know/no/ |
| 12:12.26 | xogon | Zvpun: man create_compressed_fs ? i don't know |
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| 12:12.50 | war- | Does this exist in Debian Linux as a package or is there anyway to find out? http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/datetime/ |
| 12:12.58 | PerfDave | war-: apt-cache search |
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| 12:13.14 | xogon | Zvpun: what happens if you loopback mount it and copy data into it? does the loopback mount limit the size? I don't remember. i don't think so |
| 12:13.20 | Unition- | is it easy to emulate mac stuff on debian ? |
| 12:13.21 | ketamine-usp | sml, and i hate compiling stuff when it is probably unnecessary and speed is not important for me.... |
| 12:13.29 | Unition- | or does it need to be ported ? |
| 12:13.37 | PerfDave | Unition-: What do you mean by "emulate mac stuff"? |
| 12:13.41 | sml | PerfDave: LOL. well it does work if you know what you're doing. if you're a newbie then... heh good luck. its very easy to hose your box. it reminds me of when i used to use slackware '96, on a 2.0.27 kernel... during the install it would ask things like "what inode density would you like" LOL. now that is gonna confuse MANY n00bs and possibly scare them off from using linux. that is far worse than worrying about how sensible the distro is |
| 12:13.47 | pingouin | hey guys, what is the chipset to get for linux, with an amd 64/32 atlon ? nvidia3 or via kt8 ? what is the best, and the best suport under linux ? |
| 12:13.58 | Unition- | well there is this software called 3d globe and atlas software I wana run from mac |
| 12:14.02 | xogon | war-: apt-cache search <string> to search |
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| 12:14.25 | alex_joni | sml: I gotta say I was surprised how easy it was to set-up deb |
| 12:14.29 | sml | pingouin: best support under linux is i386. |
| 12:14.39 | alex_joni | you need anything: apt-get install foo |
| 12:14.41 | PerfDave | sml: I never hosed my box. Just every package I installed needed manual source patching and recompilation or using CVS emerge scripts or old ones... nothing just worked straight out of the box. |
| 12:14.45 | sml | many things are still being ported to 64 plus its new and therefore you could have teething probz. |
| 12:14.47 | ketamine-usp | sml, it is more pathetic than SLS linux then |
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| 12:14.49 | war- | ok |
| 12:14.54 | Unition- | can you run mac programs on unix ? |
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| 12:15.10 | alex_joni | mac-osX is unix like |
| 12:15.14 | Unition- | yes |
| 12:15.17 | pingouin | sml: what do you mean ? i dont care the 64 bits part of the atlon 64 just want to make it run classic 32 |
| 12:15.21 | PerfDave | Unition-: Do you mean "can you run programs compiled for Mac architecture on i386"? |
| 12:15.25 | suncomet | alex_joni, using module-assistant didn't help, so i will compile my kernel |
| 12:15.27 | PerfDave | Mac OS X is a steaming pile of shit. |
| 12:15.32 | Unition- | yes |
| 12:15.36 | Unition- | x86 |
| 12:15.50 | ketamine-usp | Unition-, you probably need an emulator either 68k or ppc |
| 12:15.52 | alex_joni | suncomet: if you are up to it, go ahead |
| 12:16.00 | pingouin | sml: but my retailer doesnt have no more classic xp, just 64, and i dont know what motherboard get nvidia/via ? |
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| 12:16.14 | sml | PerfDave: well i cheated with OpenOffice in the end. i installed the binary. it was at that point that i thought maybe i should just use Sarge. the problem with debian is that when the new realease comes out its GREAT. its perfect. but after a long long while you are running old software. i had functionality not work in woody that i NEEDED. i actually solved these problems the "debian way" but thats not the point :-) i just wish it didn't t |
| 12:16.15 | PerfDave | Unition-: And the answer is "not easily". Qemu, bochs, possibly VMWare, will let you run MacOS (very slowly) inside Linux on i386. |
| 12:16.18 | suncomet | PerfDave, hmph, i like the macosx :/ |
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| 12:16.41 | PerfDave | suncomet: If I wanted to pay for an operating system, I'd pay for the one that has games ;) |
| 12:17.05 | bender-rw- | PerfDave: vmware is x86 only |
| 12:17.15 | ketamine-usp | PerfDave, you mean, like the proprietary OS on playstation? :D |
| 12:17.31 | suncomet | PerfDave, i wouldn't buy it, but it did come with my mac so... :) |
| 12:17.34 | PerfDave | ketamine-usp: Nah, playstation doesn't really have any games I'm interested. |
| 12:17.35 | sml | PerfDave: a good example is apache-ssl which in woody will not work unless the passphrase is stripped from the PEM encoded key. |
| 12:17.37 | infrared | PerfDave: do you know how I would use update-alternatives? I've tried update-alternatives --config gcc and update-alternatives --config target-alias-gcc (got the second from a post online), neither work |
| 12:17.48 | ketamine-usp | PerfDave, do you like xBill, then? :P |
| 12:17.52 | PerfDave | infrared: man update-alternatives |
| 12:17.56 | PerfDave | ketamine-usp: No, but I like Doom 3. |
| 12:18.05 | xogon | sml: why not just use sid? |
| 12:18.07 | ketamine-usp | PerfDave, then you probably want windows :p |
| 12:18.21 | PerfDave | ketamine-usp: Uhm, I run Doom 3 perfectly happily on my Linux box, thanks. |
| 12:18.30 | sml | xogon: yes its easy to say that NOW.. now its FROZEN.. im talking about when i needed it a year ago :-) |
| 12:18.36 | ketamine-usp | ah, you are using nvidia cards? |
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| 12:18.41 | PerfDave | ketamine-usp: Yes |
| 12:18.47 | xogon | sml: sid is not frozen it never will be |
| 12:18.49 | sml | xogon: erm.. sorry i thought you said Sarge... read you too fast. |
| 12:18.50 | pingouin | PerfDave: what is your box ? (mobo.cpu.graphic ?) |
| 12:18.54 | ketamine-usp | PerfDave, unfortunate me, i'm using ATI... :( |
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| 12:18.58 | sml | i would NEVER EVER use sid in a production environment |
| 12:19.05 | sml | that's just STUPID and asking for trouble. |
| 12:19.09 | xogon | sml: ah, a production box |
| 12:19.11 | PerfDave | pingouin: Athlon 1.2GHz, 768Mb DDR 2100 RAM, nVidia GeForce FX 5200 |
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| 12:19.22 | Knight_Lord | I'm using a chrooted debian inside of redhat and for some reason i can't access the man pages. What should i set to be able to access the manpages? |
| 12:19.23 | pingouin | PerfDave: ok thx |
| 12:19.26 | xogon | sml: well i've done it and never have problems |
| 12:19.29 | ketamine-usp | PerfDave, how did you run doom3 with THAT..? |
| 12:19.41 | xogon | sml: i disagree about it being stupid |
| 12:20.00 | xogon | sml: maybe for some inept people it would be stupid |
| 12:20.03 | PerfDave | ketamine-usp: I downloaded the Doom 3 installer from http://zerowing.idsoftware.com:6969/ over BitTorrent, ran it, copied the pk4 files across from the CD, typed "doom3" and it worked. |
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| 12:20.10 | PerfDave | sml: I agree that woody is kind of old, but there have been unusual circumstances surrounding Sarge's release which hopefully won't happen again. |
| 12:20.13 | sml | xogon: I found many other problems in woody so i just have to wait patiently coz the only updates are the security updates. of course i could compile apache from scratch under /usr/local/ and sym link it and tell debian's packagemanagement abouit it. |
| 12:20.22 | PerfDave | xogon: No, running Sid in a production environment is stupid. |
| 12:20.25 | xogon | sml: for spoonfeed type people it might well be |
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| 12:20.41 | PerfDave | sml: Or you could backport Apache from Sarge or Sid, which is a slightly easier option. |
| 12:20.52 | sml | PerfDave: well put it this way. not once did i give up on debian in the five years i've been using it in production. ive used ham, slink, potato, woody... and soon i'll be using sarge. in fact i've already upgraded one box :) |
| 12:21.19 | ketamine-usp | xogon, it's not about elitism, it's about stability. sometimes packages breaks themselves under some particular situation, and sid are not as hard-tested as stable or testing... |
| 12:21.24 | PerfDave | sml: I found Potato and switched from FreeBSD at about the time that Woody released. |
| 12:21.46 | sml | so that says it all. basically debian is perfect for what i want, its great to maintain, apply securityy updates its dependable :-) ok there were minor issues i found with it but i fixed them all in the end and didn't just , install another distro which comes with its own set of problems :) |
| 12:21.54 | ketamine-usp | PerfDave, what i mean is with your 5200 card it's quite hard to run it well... |
| 12:22.21 | sml | another problem i found was in iptables.. i now run an iptables compiled from source. |
| 12:22.28 | xogon | well, i disagree with simple analysis that says something is "stupid". it highly depends on how the system is administered, what its purpose is, etc. there may be some cases where it is less recommended... |
| 12:22.38 | sml | also .. proftpd and agai, ssl certificates but i installed vsftpd instead and that worked for me. |
| 12:23.15 | Knight_Lord | "No manual entry for man". What can be the cause for this? |
| 12:23.15 | PerfDave | ketamine-usp: *shrug* It runs, it's playable, I've completed it. |
| 12:23.19 | ketamine-usp | wow cool. |
| 12:23.22 | PerfDave | xogon: No, running Sid on a production system is stupid, full stop. |
| 12:23.23 | paulswm | jethro: you there? |
| 12:23.30 | sml | xogon: its not very sensible to install sid in a PRODUCTION environment. its subject to BREAK your entire box at very short notice. unless you make careful backups, know whats broken, how to fix it, and are able to explain to the end users WHY the box has gone down (a good one) there is no point running it. |
| 12:23.47 | nullvoid | PerfDave: I am running Sid in production system and I am not stupid |
| 12:23.51 | PerfDave | nullvoid: Yes you are. |
| 12:24.09 | xogon | i'm sorry, all these people crying about how sid can BREAK a system. please. i've never seen that happen. |
| 12:24.11 | PerfDave | sml: Even then, there's no advantage to running Sid in a production environment, and lots of disadvantages. |
| 12:24.14 | sml | sid is ok if you want to play with the latest and greatest stuff on your PERSONAL workstation and dont mind filing reports back to debian when you find bugs , issues, problems in the packaging or dependenices etc. |
| 12:24.20 | ketamine-usp | nullvoid, sometimes, things are stupid per se and you are rendered stupid in some eyes.. |
| 12:24.24 | paulswm | Tht's not stupid, that's insane, running sid as a production system |
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| 12:24.27 | ketamine-usp | xogon, let me give you a story. |
| 12:24.27 | sml | PerfDave: i've never even considered it for a second. i think its stupid :) |
| 12:24.31 | nullvoid | It depends |
| 12:24.36 | PerfDave | xogon: Oh, you don't remember when libc broke, rendering Sid installations unusable? |
| 12:24.46 | PerfDave | xogon: Or when that PAM bug broke logins? |
| 12:24.48 | xogon | worst-case scenario is some package has a problem and i downgrade. really-worse scenario i have to use a rescue Cd to fix something. that might happen once every 5 years |
| 12:24.53 | ketamine-usp | xogon, at the time when potato is stil lthe unstable distro... one thing occured - its the libc upgrade done. |
| 12:25.06 | nullvoid | PerfDave: in my case I have 2 box one is production (running sid) and one more is testing (running sid) |
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| 12:25.36 | PerfDave | "I live in a minefield, and I've not trodden on a mine yet, so living in a minefield isn't stupid" |
| 12:25.37 | nullvoid | ever update will be tested on testing box, and if everything goes fine, the I will update the production server |
| 12:25.39 | ketamine-usp | at the time every part of the i18n of my enlightenment box has become dead and nothing is going to revive it, but then eh, nevermind. |
| 12:25.42 | paulswm | The mind boggles. Well, I guess it's the weekend. |
| 12:25.52 | sml | nullvoid: one day you will get bitten no matter how great your admin skills are and your understanding of debian. thigns will break. its almost guaranteed in an unstable distribution. |
| 12:25.53 | xogon | that's why i have a sandbox environment that is a mirror of the production one |
| 12:25.54 | nullvoid | and I am ok with that and have no problem, my downtime is minimum |
| 12:25.56 | PerfDave | nullvoid: Why not just not run Sid in the first place? |
| 12:26.05 | jethro | paulswm: yes, playing in blootbot's internals :p |
| 12:26.06 | PerfDave | nullvoid: It'd save you all the hassle. |
| 12:26.13 | sml | i personally cant wait till sarge gets realease. i'll make this company pay for it , i always make them donate :) |
| 12:26.24 | nullvoid | PerfDave: not all package available in woody |
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| 12:26.41 | xogon | i would say not having a sandbox environment is worse/stupider than just relying on woody exclusively for stability |
| 12:26.52 | ketamine-usp | If i need to stay always upfront for some packages only i'd be happier sticking with stable/testing and compiling stuff myself. |
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| 12:26.58 | nullvoid | and I want to feal the heat to handle these challenges ;) |
| 12:27.07 | takatumi | PerfDave | nullvoid: Why not just not run Sid in the first place? for or against? |
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| 12:27.32 | nullvoid | takatumi: well I like challenge ;) |
| 12:27.33 | PerfDave | takatumi: Sid doesn't get security updates, and is liable to break to the point of unusability / eating all your data with any update. |
| 12:27.41 | PerfDave | nullvoid: Backports. Or run Sarge. |
| 12:27.57 | ketamine-usp | nullvoid, ah, most people like stable system without too much of intervention.. :) |
| 12:28.00 | PerfDave | xogon: Yes, but we've already ascertained that you're an idiot ;) |
| 12:28.00 | nullvoid | hah! backports this is worst |
| 12:28.08 | xogon | any apt administrator should be able to quickly/adequately deal with problems |
| 12:28.17 | nullvoid | ketamine-usp: not me, |
| 12:28.22 | paulswm | jethro: thx for your help yesterday, but I had already tried what was in your config. I've got WEP running in ndiswrapper at least, I think there may be an issue with communication between wpa_supplicant and ndiswrapper. I'll do some more searching but I'm partly secure at least and this is a home LAN. |
| 12:28.22 | sml | ketamine-usp: yes us admins love not having to do anything for our money :) |
| 12:28.26 | takatumi | PerfDave: I understand your point, just didn't get that line. |
| 12:28.43 | sml | danamania: LOL |
| 12:28.53 | takatumi | PerfDave: ah not not |
| 12:29.00 | ketamine-usp | xogon, and any apt administrators do not create unnecessary worktime for themselves. |
| 12:29.00 | jethro | paulswm: then it might be limitations of ndiswrapper with your card |
| 12:29.04 | nullvoid | to use backports in woody - worst than running sid |
| 12:29.04 | sml | danamania: you're also blindfolded whilst your're driving right ? |
| 12:29.08 | PerfDave | xogon: Any good sysadmin will minimise the potential for downtime, and the necessity for manual intervention in their systems. Running Sid and having to hand test everything on a seperate system doesnt' do that. |
| 12:29.14 | PerfDave | nullvoid: Why? |
| 12:29.30 | nullvoid | I done that earlier before migrate to sid |
| 12:29.32 | danamania | sml: and sitting in the back seat! |
| 12:29.54 | paulswm | jethro: Yes, as it is the ndiswrapper in debian sarge/sid wouldn't even do WEP so I had to get newer sources and compile it myself |
| 12:29.55 | PerfDave | danamania: With no seatbelt! |
| 12:29.59 | danamania | (while driving uphill, in the snow, and liking it) |
| 12:30.13 | jethro | paulswm: had to do the same, and forgot to point that out yesterday |
| 12:30.24 | nullvoid | issue stop here! for me anyone should use what ever they are comfortable with |
| 12:30.27 | xogon | PerfDave: no need to hand test. time. |
| 12:30.48 | PerfDave | xogon: So you just slap Sid updates on your box and pray it stay up? You're insane. |
| 12:30.52 | sml | nullvoid: sure they should :-) but no one here should be advocating sid for a production environment. FULL STOP. |
| 12:31.03 | sml | its bad advice. |
| 12:31.14 | PerfDave | nullvoid: You're entitled to use Sid in a production environment, I'm entitled to call you stupid for doing so. |
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| 12:31.16 | paulswm | jethro: interstingly, the LAN controller in my router is the same as in the card, and I have access to the firmware sources, might see if I can cross compile the driver for wpa_supplicant |
| 12:31.19 | PerfDave | paulswm: Well, if you will use hardware that isn't supported in Linux... ;) |
| 12:31.24 | sml | nullvoid: you should play the lottery coz you're a lucky man if you've had no problems so far. |
| 12:31.29 | ketamine-usp | PerfDave, we may as well stop the flame here :) |
| 12:31.44 | paulswm | PerfDave: Well thank you, Dr. Obvious. :) |
| 12:32.05 | xogon | nullvoid: they may call you stupid but your system will run fine |
| 12:32.11 | PerfDave | ketamine-usp: It's not a flame, it's stating the obvious ;) |
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| 12:32.16 | nullvoid | sml: like I said I have 2 box, one is a testing box and one more a real one, if no breaks then I will get update on my production box |
| 12:32.27 | AMIGrAve | how can I configure ssh (Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/sftp-server) so that user see only their home folder and can't go backward in the directory structure ? |
| 12:32.40 | skip_ | hi all. Question from a newb: is it possible to upgrade kernels via apt-get? |
| 12:32.43 | PerfDave | AMIGrAve: I don't think you can. |
| 12:32.43 | xogon | nullvoid: that's what i do |
| 12:32.44 | PerfDave | skip_: Yes |
| 12:32.46 | infodroid | nullvoid: why don't you just set up a chroot dammit |
| 12:32.51 | PerfDave | skip_: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 12:33.04 | nullvoid | AMIGrAve: man chown |
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| 12:33.20 | skip_ | PerfDave: so the only file I need is the relevant kernel-image? |
| 12:33.24 | ketamine-usp | ah, its getting hotter and hotter |
| 12:33.28 | nullvoid | infodroid: wtf you are saying |
| 12:33.32 | alex_joni | nullvoid: same conditions for testing as later during actuall load? |
| 12:33.37 | PerfDave | skip_: "apt-get install kernel-image-$whatever" should be all you ened. |
| 12:33.45 | skip_ | PerfDave: possible to go from 2.4.x to 2.6? |
| 12:33.50 | alex_joni | nullvoid: same number of users/conections, whatever your system does? |
| 12:33.51 | PerfDave | skip_: Are you on Woody? |
| 12:34.17 | AMIGrAve | nulltank: i can chown /home folder but i don't want to chown all my root structure |
| 12:34.17 | skip_ | sarge |
| 12:34.17 | PerfDave | skip_: On Sarge, yes. |
| 12:34.17 | infodroid | nullvoid: you can have chroots instead of multiple workstations |
| 12:34.17 | nullvoid | alex_joni: go and learn then come and ask |
| 12:34.21 | skip_ | PerfDave: thanks, I'll give it a shot later |
| 12:34.26 | PerfDave | skip_: No worries |
| 12:34.39 | takatumi | would Doom3 run on ATI cards? |
| 12:34.46 | alex_joni | some breaks appear only after a while of running (that's why it's TESTING) |
| 12:34.48 | nullvoid | infodroid: same goes to you, go and read and then ask that question on yourself |
| 12:34.59 | paulswm | Linux doesn't have folders, it has directories |
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| 12:35.21 | PerfDave | takatumi: On Linux? Maybe with the new flgrx drivers (or whatever they're called). |
| 12:35.26 | infodroid | what do you say to someone who doesn't want to switch to linux because they'll miss their games? |
| 12:35.34 | PerfDave | infodroid: Cedega? |
| 12:35.41 | nullvoid | paulswm: folders or directory what's make dif, the dif is the partition |
| 12:35.48 | skip_ | anybody running a Radeon 9600 video card? |
| 12:35.50 | drac | takatumi: it runs, i'm playing it with radeon9250. |
| 12:35.53 | paulswm | infodroid: "Enjoy the spyware" |
| 12:35.53 | ketamine-usp | skip_, here. |
| 12:35.59 | xogon | people speak of BREAK like its cancer. what is BREAK? 99% of issues are very minor |
| 12:36.09 | skip_ | did you install the ATI driver? |
| 12:36.13 | takatumi | PerfDave: flgrx drivers won't work on my radeon340 IGP card, got DRI with xorg. |
| 12:36.21 | nullvoid | infodroid: ask the someone to read about wine, or just forget about linux if they are happy with winblows |
| 12:36.23 | infodroid | PerfDave: good one, dunno about performance though |
| 12:36.26 | PerfDave | takatumi: No idea then, sorry. I'm an nVidia person. |
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| 12:36.31 | infodroid | paulswm: yes thats what i say |
| 12:36.38 | jethro | paulswm: sounds like you're gonna have a good week end :) |
| 12:36.38 | Overand | infodroid: 'You should set up your system to dualboot, leave your games on your windows partition and run linux for everything else.' |
| 12:36.51 | paulswm | jethro: I love this stuff really |
| 12:36.55 | xogon | so much FUDspeak. why can't people at least try to be accurate. words like BREAK are just useless FUD |
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| 12:37.00 | jethro | paulswm: so do I :) |
| 12:37.12 | nullvoid | window gamers check winex |
| 12:37.14 | skip_ | ketamine_usp: did you install the ATI driver? |
| 12:37.34 | xogon | PerfDave: hehe |
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| 12:37.45 | jethro | paulswm: I really had fun playing with xsupplicant and wpa_supplicant, too bad I never finished the howto I started writing, hope to do that someday, but writing is really the more boring of it |
| 12:37.50 | sml | PerfDave: nice to see that a charity is not wasting its money on windows software |
| 12:38.05 | takatumi | ketamine-usp: do you run sid? |
| 12:38.14 | takatumi | or have you run it? |
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| 12:38.28 | ketamine-usp | takatumi, no, i don't run sid now. and yes, of course i've run it before. |
| 12:38.29 | skip_ | ketamine-usp: did you install the ATI driver? |
| 12:38.29 | nullvoid | takatumi: I run sid, why |
| 12:38.40 | ketamine-usp | skip_, not really. |
| 12:39.02 | skip_ | ketamine-usp: so do you have 3d accel working? |
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| 12:39.11 | ketamine-usp | not really |
| 12:39.20 | skip_ | ketamine-usp: I see... |
| 12:39.45 | takatumi | nullvoid: I run it here on 2 machines, yet to break, so was just questioning his statement. |
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| 12:42.02 | nullvoid | oic |
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| 12:42.02 | nullvoid | takatumi: if you have alsa, you'll see it breaks like hell |
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| 12:42.03 | takatumi | nullvoid: I run alsa as well. :P |
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| 12:42.03 | ketamine-usp | takatumi, something doesn't break for you doesn't meant that it doesn't break for everybody; a slight increase in the chance of breaking is unnecessary and is usually untolerated in any business environment |
| 12:42.03 | chugga | whats the debian replacement for xv? |
| 12:42.03 | sml | takatumi: what is the hostname of your box? ticking-bomb ? |
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| 12:42.03 | paulswm | jethro: Real Programmer syndrome, documentation put off till later never gets done. |
| 12:42.03 | takatumi | sml: :) |
| 12:42.04 | takatumi | well it ain't a production box, just home desktops. |
| 12:42.04 | sml | paulswm: it takes longer to write documentation that to actually implement the code. took me six hours on friday to write the design docs and 2 hours to do the coding. |
| 12:42.04 | skip_ | and now for my next stupid question...when is the next stable version of Deb (3.1?) going to be released? Googling this didn't help... |
| 12:42.04 | ketamine-usp | skip_, /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 12:42.04 | grivell | !wwsr |
| 12:42.04 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
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| 12:42.11 | Nestar_ | hi, i'm looking for a software like BPM-Studio for windoof. It's a dj mixing software. Is there anything available for linux? |
| 12:42.12 | sml | paulswm: mind you what do i care, i get paid to code. |
| 12:42.16 | skip_ | right then |
| 12:42.33 | paulswm | sml: "Real Programmers don't document their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand." Heh. |
| 12:42.34 | chugga | something to quickly a picture - xv picture.jpg - style |
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| 12:42.38 | grivell | Sarge is released right now skip_. If you feel it is ready ;) |
| 12:42.47 | sml | paulswm: that sounds like eXtreme programming to me ;) |
| 12:42.55 | paulswm | sml: Actually, I write the comments first, then the code. |
| 12:42.58 | sml | if you need comments in your code your code is too complicatedx etc etc |
| 12:43.03 | sml | paulswm: :) |
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| 12:43.07 | alex_joni | sml: make that eXtreme (tm) programming |
| 12:43.08 | ketamine-usp | paulswm, sml, may as well try the guide to bad programming |
| 12:43.24 | sml | alex_joni: :)) i have the book right here on my desk. right along side design patterns |
| 12:43.33 | sml | do you want me to tell you a funny story about design patterns lol |
| 12:43.40 | skip_ | grivell: I'm actually using it. It's more than ready for me, especially having come from a FC/Mdk type of distro |
| 12:43.40 | alex_joni | sml: been there, done that |
| 12:43.47 | alex_joni | sml: go right ahead |
| 12:43.51 | paulswm | ketamine-usp: I write good, docmented code actually |
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| 12:44.06 | sml | alex_joni: we had one guy here read the book then retro-fit lots of patterns (the more the merrier) to code he had already written. i think he misunderstood the book. :> |
| 12:44.06 | ketamine-usp | paulswm, have a look on this: http://mindprod.com/unmain.html |
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| 12:44.25 | alex_joni | sml: LOL |
| 12:44.41 | paulswm | ketamine-usp: that's funny. |
| 12:44.42 | grivell | skip_: Yeah, well FC is known for excellence. Its quality is unmatched ;) |
| 12:44.53 | sml | alex_joni: one of his programs which i unfortunately now MAINTAIN coz he was a contracter used about six. plus it had lots of STUPID dependencies. my god i dont even want to think about it. everytime a bug is found in that bit of code i book holiday. |
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| 12:45.30 | alex_joni | bummer ;) |
| 12:45.38 | ketamine-usp | the way they smuggle octals '179,162,012,181' into decimals is excellent |
| 12:45.40 | skip_ | grivell: he he...at one time that was all I knew, so I was happy with that type of distro...then I had the patience to install Debian and I can't imagine switching back |
| 12:46.00 | sml | alex_joni: Yes but I dont write software for linux. I use that "other" operating system to code. Its' a NIGHTMARE. |
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| 12:46.30 | takatumi | sml: bah. |
| 12:46.30 | alex_joni | sml: I used that too .. but I decided I like linux better for coding |
| 12:46.37 | alex_joni | not easier, but better |
| 12:47.21 | grivell | skip_: Yeah. I started with Slackware in 95. Went to RedHat in 96, Mandrake. Then had a friend bug me to death about Debian. Finally installed it, and besides a bit of Gentoo braindeadness, I never looked back. |
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| 12:48.02 | sml | alex_joni: well this program effectively compares a set of data to another set within a CSV file then gives you a wizard to help you merge changes. it has about 10 dependenices on third party software (fortunately distributable but thats not the point) and uses six patterns. what a muppet. IT contractors aye, dont you just love 'em. |
| 12:48.08 | admin_ | i just installed sarge and now my iptables isnt working properley, can any one help me with this,? |
| 12:48.46 | alex_joni | sml: 10 deps for that? |
| 12:48.47 | skip_ | grivell: started with RH7, then Mdk 8, 9, 10, FC 1, 2, 3 and was never entirely satisfied. I probably shouldn't mention the word 'Mepis' in here, but that's what convinced me that Deb was the way to go |
| 12:48.52 | ketamine-usp | B0uncy, how is it not working properly? |
| 12:49.03 | alex_joni | sml: I'd use CVS for the task |
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| 12:49.09 | alex_joni | :P |
| 12:49.32 | B0uncy | well ping works, but web and mirc etc are not working for some reason |
| 12:49.46 | sml | alex_joni: exactly. now one of the dependenices is on excel just to perform a pivot table to modify some data. now that is a JOKE. plus this guy used to eat TUna fish every day. Tuna fish every day for two years that he was with us. He used to stack on the mayoinaise in the fridge. man i cant even look at a cat anymore now. |
| 12:49.47 | B0uncy | icq can connect though |
| 12:49.47 | grivell | skip_: lol. That, and Debian works on most hardware (x86, ppc, etc). |
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| 12:50.35 | sml | alex_joni: its the sort of thing you'd recode on a wet day when nuffin else much is happening ;) but it works at the moment (after i spent a week fixing it) and we know what we do with horrible thing that work: we dont touch them :) |
| 12:50.37 | paulswm | ketamine-usp: A funny on a slightly different topic: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp |
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| 12:51.25 | alex_joni | sml: I soooo agree with that |
| 12:51.48 | sml | alex_joni: haha :) |
| 12:51.50 | B0uncy | im using iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE and iptables -tA FORWARD --in-interface eth0 -j ACCEPT |
| 12:51.55 | skip_ | ok have to go, thanks for your advice ppl |
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| 12:52.11 | alex_joni | but if it's not runnig: tear it appart ;) |
| 12:52.36 | sml | alex_joni: the problem is not the re-writing but the re-testing and then of course new bugs or the resurfacing of old bugs.. |
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| 12:52.50 | sml | from a commercial company's point of view : if it aint broke dont fix it |
| 12:53.35 | alex_joni | right |
| 12:53.51 | sml | we used to have Cygnus solutions right across the street from us :-) |
| 12:53.59 | sml | Then it became RedHat :-) |
| 12:54.00 | alex_joni | or maybe: make it better, but don't break it |
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| 12:54.20 | paulswm | IIWDFWI: If It Works, Don't Fuck With It |
| 12:54.24 | sml | alex_joni: how much time does one waste on something that really should never have been written. |
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| 12:54.31 | alex_joni | I tried RH a while back (around 5.2 I think) |
| 12:54.58 | alex_joni | didn't like it back then ;) |
| 12:54.58 | alex_joni | switched to SuSE.. stayed with them till 9.2 |
| 12:55.01 | PerfDave | sml: Eating tinned tuna every day is really bad for you. |
| 12:55.04 | sml | i tried it 5.1. in 7 when gcc was broke and you needed kgcc to recomile a kernel i thought , I should NOT be using a distribution that makes bad decisions. |
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| 12:55.23 | sml | PerfDave: I can immagine. but all that Mayonaise! he put on about two stones in weight |
| 12:55.24 | alex_joni | now they're gone too (SuSE I mean) |
| 12:55.35 | takatumi | PerfDave: better that red meat. |
| 12:55.44 | PerfDave | sml: We're the most efficient bit of Cancer Research. Our use of Free Software has kept our admin load to a minimum and saved us $$$ on licensing. |
| 12:56.05 | alex_joni | sml: I catched an eating-contest once (on telly), people had to eat mayonaise |
| 12:56.08 | PerfDave | sml: We still use 'doze on the desktops mostly, but we're moving some staff across to Sarge, with more to come. |
| 12:56.18 | alex_joni | the winner ate around 1.5 kg |
| 12:56.44 | alex_joni | nothing else, just mayo |
| 12:56.47 | sml | well i used debian to keep all our licensing costs down to negligible :-) we just took on a project that required us to generate our own client certificates for authentication of web requests. tehy were going to use windows server 2003! idiots. i told them about openssl. |
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| 12:57.26 | sml | PerfDave: we have lots of 'dowz boxes here but since i admin them.. i put things like enigmail, thunderbird, firefox etc as apps on the desktop and force them to use them |
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| 12:58.09 | PerfDave | sml: Yeah. We're using Firefox, looking at Thunderbird migration. Some people use OOo but since we have a site license for Office XP we'll probably keep using that for now. |
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| 12:58.28 | sml | ok maybe that's not ethical but im making an informed choice for them and it eases the amount of support i have to do due to products not ahdereing to standards. im not an admin, but i get the role since no one else knows seet fa. we're a small software house and well developers dont always make good admins :) |
| 12:58.30 | infrared | man I'm getting annoyed of gentoo already |
| 12:58.43 | PerfDave | sml: Trouble is a lot of the documents we deal with have macro stuff in which don't work in OOo. And they're sent by external people so we can't easily tell them to do things differently. |
| 12:58.46 | sml | I use OOo only to open word docs on my linux laptop |
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| 12:59.19 | PerfDave | sml: I don't see what's unethical about using Free softwre on the desktop as much as possible, if you can make a business case for it cutting down your workload and saving money on licensing. |
| 12:59.22 | sml | PerfDave: i know that feeling. i've had to make changes on unix boxes here to take into account BROKEN standards. our clients softweare and machines are soooooo mis-configured and WRONG. |
| 12:59.43 | PerfDave | I think the cutting down workload is the most important bit, really. If we ran all Windows we'd need at least one extra IT staff member. |
| 12:59.55 | sml | PerfDave: the unethical part is me forcing my choices on them. they should be free to use what they want the trouble is they all wear blinkers like a horse does and they have no clue. i decide for them |
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| 13:00.09 | sml | they now LOVE enigmail.. and of course it uses gpg so no licening costs. |
| 13:00.10 | danielon | hello |
| 13:00.13 | alex_joni | I remember my admin-days before samba |
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| 13:00.27 | sml | i even set it up so that they dont have to type antying in when we recieve encrypted email. |
| 13:00.29 | alex_joni | that was a taken right out of a horrormovie |
| 13:00.42 | alex_joni | I had an win95 network at work :) |
| 13:01.07 | sml | alex_joni: i can immagine. i used to use the netware linux stuff ages ago. erm.. i dont even remember the name but there was a fake novel fileserver deamon. |
| 13:01.08 | alex_joni | if you can call that networking |
| 13:01.19 | alex_joni | yeah... |
| 13:01.30 | sml | i setup a device once that could't even be bought in the shops. |
| 13:01.32 | alex_joni | I even considered using it back then, but then I found samba |
| 13:01.43 | sml | it ran ipx/spx briding on two interfaces and ip routing across threee. |
| 13:01.44 | alex_joni | and it all changed ;) |
| 13:01.52 | sml | does it still exist ? |
| 13:01.58 | alex_joni | what? |
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| 13:02.04 | sml | the netware daemon. |
| 13:02.04 | alex_joni | novel stuff? |
| 13:02.08 | sml | yar. |
| 13:02.08 | alex_joni | yup |
| 13:02.17 | alex_joni | Novell even bought SuSE |
| 13:02.18 | PerfDave | sml: We use the Netware Linux stuff, complete with emulated fileservers ;) |
| 13:02.21 | sml | Well it was great way back then... that was back in '98 |
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| 13:02.35 | alex_joni | so...they are releasing linuxbased servers now |
| 13:02.43 | sml | there is still a place in my heart for all that novel netware 3.12 stuff :) |
| 13:02.46 | sml | 5 was poor. |
| 13:02.51 | PerfDave | sml: I don't think it's unethical for you to make choices for other people. If people were free to use what they want your network would be bogged down with all kinds of shit. |
| 13:03.10 | sml | PerfDave: well my main problem was spyware... and mal-ware. |
| 13:03.14 | alex_joni | and the company charged with all kind of licences |
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| 13:03.31 | sml | and the amount of support calls i started getting. and dont forget im a developer, i only get called coz tehy cant call no one else :) |
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| 13:03.44 | PerfDave | sml: Exactly. We banned MSN for example, to stop people sending confidential information out of the workplace. |
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| 13:03.54 | mentor | hmmm... |
| 13:04.11 | alex_joni | PerfDave: did you ban YahooMsgr too? |
| 13:04.14 | sml | it was a sad day coz for once , and for the first time, i had to employ egress filtering. i felt guilty about that too, coz it blocked all the lovely lil' apps they like running. but i had to. |
| 13:04.23 | PerfDave | alex_joni: Yes, and AIM and all the rest. |
| 13:04.25 | zerotime | hi, I just did apt-get install msttcorefonts, but I dont see any change on my fonts, how to enable them? |
| 13:04.40 | sml | banning MSN is no easy feat it tries everything . basically it tries to hack your fireall FOR YOU auto-magically. |
| 13:04.47 | sml | even tries tunneling port 80 if you block it. |
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| 13:04.48 | alex_joni | PerfDave: how did you do that? |
| 13:05.03 | PerfDave | alex_joni: We went round with big sticks to each and every desktop, and removed it ;) |
| 13:05.06 | sml | its easy to block MSN if you run a DNS server ;) |
| 13:05.13 | alex_joni | oh :) |
| 13:05.16 | sml | PerfDave: oh.. that's one way hah! |
| 13:05.22 | alex_joni | thought you did it on a firewall |
| 13:05.24 | moshii | zerotime: configure what ever you're using to use the fonts.. |
| 13:05.32 | sml | alex_joni: too many iptables rules :-) |
| 13:05.32 | PerfDave | alex_joni: And told our users that if they used it, we would be able to spot them using it, and they would face disciplinary action. |
| 13:05.38 | sml | you'd need your own "MSN" chain. |
| 13:05.47 | mentor | PerfDave: Do you wipe people's memories as they leave in the evening too? ;) |
| 13:06.01 | PerfDave | mentor: No, we just hypnotise them. |
| 13:06.09 | sml | well the users no longer had, kazaa, e-Donkey, bittorrent , various games... they felt like i was deliberately being nasty. |
| 13:06.09 | paulswm | Is there a tool in debian for testing network interface speeds? |
| 13:06.09 | PerfDave | sml: Nah, just a default DENY rule. We don't even allow outgoing port 80 from the desktops, only from the Squid server. |
| 13:06.19 | sml | was hard to explain to them that those apps were the cause of all their problems |
| 13:06.25 | sml | i even found one VERY VERY VERY worring machine. |
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| 13:07.00 | sml | it had all hte root CA certificates wiped.. and wouldn't pop up a warning if a certificate is invalid, or if there's an invalid one in the chain or the signer is unkown or untrusted. |
| 13:07.02 | runedude | Hi guys, My Win2k kinda got corrupted, and I want to change the files back.. Any ideas how to mount my drive (NTFS) under debian for write access too? |
| 13:07.36 | alex_joni | yahoo works even from a web-page |
| 13:07.47 | alex_joni | there is a java-version at yahoo.com |
| 13:08.04 | sml | PerfDave: yes its sensible using a proxy for port 80 and an iptables for all other ports. |
| 13:08.06 | paulswm | sml: Computing Darwinism, they'll screw up their computers, get off that thar Intarweb and leave the bandwith for the rest of us :) |
| 13:08.07 | PerfDave | alex_joni: If it's a Java applet, then if you've blocked it at the firewall, it won't work. If it's CGI then it will. |
| 13:08.08 | moshii | runedude: use BartPE or Microsofts PE builder and make a windows live cd... write access in linux will just make things worse |
| 13:08.14 | zerotime | what are the names of the fonts that msttcorefonts install? |
| 13:08.15 | alex_joni | runedude: sure you wanna do that? |
| 13:08.22 | sml | too many apps try and tunnel port 80.. you could use inspectiion with tables but my god that would be a kludge. |
| 13:08.27 | PerfDave | paulswm: Unfortunately, they just get their machines pwned and turned into zombies which eat all our bandwidth. |
| 13:08.31 | runedude | Well... I cannot boot my Windows system up and it's kinda just pissing me off |
| 13:08.41 | runedude | You know.. SYSTEMced .. error.. :( |
| 13:08.42 | PerfDave | runedude: Restore from backups ;) |
| 13:08.44 | sml | PerfDave: well they cant if they cant get out |
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| 13:08.53 | alex_joni | PerfDave: Opera runs wap-pages.. |
| 13:08.59 | runedude | PerfDave: if you mean the windows XP repair disk, I kinda lost it. |
| 13:09.03 | paulswm | PerfDave: They'll get enough adware/spyware to stop their boxes eventually |
| 13:09.04 | alex_joni | you can easily open the wap version of yahoo ;) |
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| 13:09.18 | sml | PerfDave: i modified the firewall, to cut off all the malware.. then went around applying security patches and running anti spyware products. all clean now . too me a week though and thats when i decided enough is enough! |
| 13:09.22 | alex_joni | but it's a click version (need to check for new messages, etc) |
| 13:09.29 | infodroid | runedude: look at the positive, its a good opportunity not to go back to windows |
| 13:09.34 | PerfDave | runedude: Nah, restore from your backups. |
| 13:09.44 | Bouncy | sorry to bother you ppl with this again, but i was using a crappy client and wasnt sure if anyone replyed to my iptables problem. |
| 13:09.46 | runedude | infodroid: It's not for my computer, it's for my brothers. |
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| 13:10.00 | PerfDave | Anyway, I'm going for lunch, later. |
| 13:10.04 | runedude | infodroid: he plays games with me.. and when his computer isn't working, he gets pissed. |
| 13:10.06 | sml | paulswm: some of our test development boxes were behaving strangely as well. a developer said "how come" i said "stop using development boxes to access the INTERNET!" then i blocked them and put them on their own network. |
| 13:10.23 | sml | i've made lots of changes here , but i do feel sometimes like they think im the big bad wolf. |
| 13:10.29 | runedude | Luckily, he has a dual boot with Debian :) |
| 13:10.37 | moshii | runedude: make a bootable windows cd, use it's network support to copy the files off, reinstall |
| 13:10.47 | moshii | runedude: google: bartPE |
| 13:10.48 | runedude | moshii: but I don't have a cdwriter |
| 13:10.51 | infodroid | runedude: cool :) |
| 13:10.59 | Bouncy | my iptables setup is not working proberley, ping and icq work , but from what i can tell nothing else works |
| 13:11.32 | sml | are there any good X clients/servers for windows. |
| 13:11.38 | moshii | runedude: boot something like knoppix on the machine and scp or ftp the files somewhere else |
| 13:11.39 | pingouin | painful to run in real 64 bit mode / debian hu ? |
| 13:11.46 | sml | so i can conect to my boxes that use X. |
| 13:11.50 | alex_joni | sml: I used cygwin/X |
| 13:11.54 | sml | alex_joni: good ? |
| 13:11.55 | infodroid | runedude: maybe get the files off of the windows partition before you tinker |
| 13:12.04 | alex_joni | I used it with ssh -X (putty) |
| 13:12.04 | sml | works with the cygwin.dll ? |
| 13:12.07 | alex_joni | worked for me |
| 13:12.11 | sml | ok i already use putty |
| 13:12.13 | runedude | moshii: I have something like Knoppix, but, will it read it with Write access too? |
| 13:12.25 | alex_joni | Open the installer (cygwin-install) |
| 13:12.29 | alex_joni | and add X stuff |
| 13:12.35 | runedude | the machine has debian on it too, which is why i dont see why to run knoppix |
| 13:12.42 | valdyn | runedude: this isnt a windows support channel |
| 13:12.43 | sml | alex_joni: i'll take a look monday. i think im gonna go down the pub soon. |
| 13:12.44 | paulswm | sml: a bit off the subject, but a couple years back we fired a guy who was DLing 100s of megs of pr0n at work **and storing it on a LAN server**. What a complete and utter dipstick. |
| 13:12.49 | moshii | runedude: write access will most likely kill the files, use linux to read the files off to somewhere else |
| 13:13.01 | alex_joni | sml: it works ok, it's free ;) |
| 13:13.11 | sml | i only came in coz i turned on some loggin yesterday and forgot to turn it off. should have written a cron job to turn it off for me doh! would have saved me the trip to work |
| 13:13.11 | runedude | moshii: mm.. but will I have to make any CDs? |
| 13:13.12 | runedude | OH |
| 13:13.15 | alex_joni | sml: I tried a few others, but all comercial versions |
| 13:13.24 | runedude | I do have a Windows 2K laptop, it probably has the system files? |
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| 13:13.40 | alex_joni | didn't see any improvement for the comercial ones |
| 13:13.48 | sml | paulswm: i recently did a find / -iname '*.mp3' -exec rm {} \;, and it deleted 15 GB of files. |
| 13:13.56 | sml | paulswm: that is BAD. |
| 13:13.58 | runedude | CanI just upload the files off of my laptop to the debian mount? |
| 13:14.22 | sml | paulswm: we've only ever had one pr0n incident and I really had a guy at that bloke. not so much coz of the pr0n but because of all the shit the site had installed on his machine! |
| 13:14.24 | alex_joni | runedude: be advised that NTFS-writing support is still experimental |
| 13:14.35 | runedude | alex_joni: im ready to take a chance with it |
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| 13:14.42 | alex_joni | to fix a broken doze install, use the Windows rescue disk |
| 13:14.49 | saerdna | (14:14) ( mikkele) how can I find out why I am banned from a channel? I'm banned from #debian but I have no idea why. |
| 13:14.50 | alex_joni | or reinstall it |
| 13:14.51 | paulswm | sml: track who's doing it and have somebody break their fingers |
| 13:14.53 | paulswm | heh |
| 13:14.54 | runedude | alex_joni: i kinda lost the CDs |
| 13:14.56 | moshii | runedude: you want to fix a windows install by mashing bits from somewhere else? that's bad even by windows standards |
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| 13:15.04 | jcoiron | hello there |
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| 13:15.06 | runedude | I don't have anymore Windows XP/2000 disks |
| 13:15.08 | sml | paulswm: well now they dont have all those p2p software i dont think we'll be seeing any more |
| 13:15.15 | runedude | I lost my oldcopy, and this was my dads machine earlier |
| 13:15.18 | sml | paulswm: we have about 10 iPods in the office i was kinda expecting that find |
| 13:15.20 | alex_joni | install wine on the debian |
| 13:15.30 | sml | paulswm: those lil poddders :)) |
| 13:15.35 | runedude | alex_joni: ok, i have wine actually |
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| 13:15.49 | paulswm | Those bastards! |
| 13:16.04 | alex_joni | runedude: I think you'll be wasting time trying to fix it |
| 13:16.13 | alex_joni | not sure you'll be able to |
| 13:16.14 | sml | I ordered an OpenPGP smartcard yesterday. |
| 13:16.17 | sml | cant wait till it arrives |
| 13:16.19 | runedude | alex_joni: i want to try atleast |
| 13:16.25 | alex_joni | mount should work |
| 13:16.28 | runedude | if it doesnt work, i can just ask my dad to reinstall it |
| 13:16.40 | runedude | alex_joni: it only mounts with read only access, and it displays it on the machine too |
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| 13:16.48 | alex_joni | mount -t ntfs /dev/hdx /mntpoint |
| 13:16.50 | alex_joni | check man mount |
| 13:16.56 | runedude | k. |
| 13:16.59 | runedude | i did |
| 13:17.01 | sml | I guess I should go home and eat sommink. |
| 13:17.07 | alex_joni | don't mount /dev/hdx (that will use fstab) |
| 13:17.23 | runedude | lol. Okay. |
| 13:17.26 | paulswm | sml: hand these round to the problem PC users: http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=computer-burning.jpg&category=Computer&date=2004-11-24 |
| 13:17.27 | alex_joni | and in /etc/fstab it's written that it's supposed to be readonly |
| 13:17.35 | runedude | I'll mount /dev/hdb1, (C drive) |
| 13:17.39 | alex_joni | you might want to change fstab |
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| 13:18.04 | Demon` | do you guys of any dual boot bugs with kernel 2.6? |
| 13:18.20 | sml | i got an apology from the IT business manager the other day |
| 13:18.25 | sml | he said "sorry i said firefox was shit" |
| 13:18.38 | runedude | it says read only, alex_joni |
| 13:18.40 | alex_joni | sml: I said that too ;) |
| 13:18.51 | alex_joni | but I changed my mind after using it ;) |
| 13:18.58 | alex_joni | runedude: remove the readonly |
| 13:19.00 | sml | i said "what made you change your mind". he said "oh some program on tv the other night mentioned how popular it was with the spate of Internet Explorer incidentes. even CERT recommend using it" |
| 13:19.09 | sml | alex_joni: well i use links ! so there! |
| 13:19.09 | runedude | alex_joni: how? |
| 13:19.10 | runedude | :/ |
| 13:19.15 | runedude | in fstab? |
| 13:19.19 | alex_joni | yup |
| 13:19.20 | sml | alex_joni: imagine if i tried making our windows ueers use that! |
| 13:19.22 | runedude | mmkay |
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| 13:19.28 | sml | They'd gang up on me and beat me up. |
| 13:19.32 | alex_joni | links? |
| 13:19.35 | alex_joni | lol |
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| 13:19.40 | alex_joni | how about w3c ? |
| 13:19.40 | alex_joni | :D |
| 13:19.41 | sml | they already hate me after "i took their mp3's away" |
| 13:19.50 | alex_joni | on a telnet window :D |
| 13:19.51 | sml | lynx or links. i run most of my apps through ssh and screen. |
| 13:20.20 | sml | whats wrong with "echo -e 'GET /HTTP/1.0\r\r' | nc www.blah.com 80" |
| 13:20.21 | sml | heh |
| 13:20.31 | alex_joni | I set a system once up, that had lynx as the user-shell ;) |
| 13:20.36 | sml | alex_joni: you know what i should have said. |
| 13:20.50 | runedude | alex_joni: if its not only there, do I add it, if it doesnt exist |
| 13:20.53 | sml | i should have said "ok tell me which mp3's are licenced/paid for, and you can keep them in your home share" |
| 13:21.04 | sml | something tells me that find command would have been redundant |
| 13:21.16 | alex_joni | runedude: the filesystem module might not know how to write to the partition |
| 13:21.32 | runedude | alex_joni: lol.. is there any way to make it? ;) |
| 13:21.33 | alex_joni | in that case you'll need to recompile the module (maybe kernel too) |
| 13:21.44 | alex_joni | yes, sure |
| 13:21.45 | runedude | Maybe I can do that with apt-get? |
| 13:21.50 | alex_joni | but.. you don't want to go there |
| 13:22.02 | alex_joni | dunno.. gotta ask debian gurus for that |
| 13:22.03 | sml | PerfDave, alex_joni have a good weekend. im gonna chip. the pub awaits me :-) gonna put my feet up and chat up any lovely ladies that pass my way. |
| 13:22.11 | alex_joni | I use debian for about 2 days :D |
| 13:22.16 | alex_joni | sml: ditto |
| 13:22.22 | dr_killer | hi to all |
| 13:22.34 | runedude | well |
| 13:22.36 | runedude | ill do it later |
| 13:22.43 | runedude | toodles for now, ill just find the disk :P |
| 13:22.50 | alex_joni | bye |
| 13:22.51 | runedude | and im off for game. so bye |
| 13:22.55 | runedude | andthanks alex for help |
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| 13:23.30 | dr_killer | any spanish??? |
| 13:23.42 | dr_killer | alguien habla español?¿? |
| 13:23.50 | caphuso | dr_killer: use #debian-es |
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| 13:29.36 | Feiten | Can i just update to sarge from woody? |
| 13:29.51 | RichiH | Feiten: sure |
| 13:30.14 | Feiten | Whothout restarting the server? |
| 13:30.19 | Feiten | Without |
| 13:30.21 | Feiten | :p |
| 13:30.32 | RichiH | Feiten: edit your /etc/apt/sources-list from stable to testing, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, done |
| 13:31.07 | RichiH | Feiten: i would restart the whole system after an upgrade that large |
| 13:32.28 | Feiten | R1ck: like this: deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing |
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| 13:40.38 | Smurg | I need to reinstall windows, and the damn thing erases the partition tables...so I have to reinstal GRUB once I install Win.How do I install GRUB from Knoppix ? Im running Debian. |
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| 13:44.55 | infodroid | Smurg: methinks you chroot into your /dev/debiandrive and then run 'update-grub' |
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| 13:45.12 | infodroid | no? |
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| 13:45.28 | Smurg | infodroid : GRUB doesnt even show up after reinstalling Win |
| 13:45.37 | Smurg | infodroid : I dont have a rescue disk either |
| 13:45.45 | Smurg | infodroid : All I got is Knoppix |
| 13:45.56 | infodroid | Smurg: windows never played well with any dual boot system i set up, so i never used it again |
| 13:46.06 | pzin | Smurg, windows overwrites the mbr, where grub is installed |
| 13:46.20 | Smurg | pzin : Yes I know that |
| 13:46.26 | caphuso | Smurg: and someone's forcing you with a gun to not use your knoppix disk as rescue disk? |
| 13:46.31 | infodroid | Smurg: on knoppix hit the terminal, chroot into your local hd, and then run 'update-grub' |
| 13:46.59 | Smurg | infodroid : update-grub good enuf? or should i say grub-install --root-directory /mnt/whatever /dev/hda |
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| 13:47.40 | rituraj | Debian home page seems to be having outdated info |
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| 13:47.48 | infodroid | Smurg: unless windows has been messing with your partitions and your /boot/grub/menu.lst is wacked out, you probably don't need the switches |
| 13:47.56 | rituraj | "....it comes with more than 8710 packages....." |
| 13:48.16 | rituraj | number of package have increased to nearly 16000 |
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| 13:48.29 | rituraj | need to Update Home page |
| 13:48.43 | infodroid | Smurg: you should, however, make sure that your menu.lst is properly configured |
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| 13:49.33 | Enkahel | hi all |
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| 13:50.15 | Evon150 | is gnome 2.2 stable on debian |
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| 13:50.22 | Evon150 | newbe question |
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| 13:50.38 | FieldySnuts | newbie spelling |
| 13:50.57 | infodroid | http://packages.debian.org |
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| 13:51.23 | Enkahel | ok guys, I encounter some problems while configuring X on my laptop |
| 13:51.30 | vox | if i'm changing from stable to testing, do i remove non-free and contrib from sources.list? |
| 13:51.41 | Enkahel | I tried to find solution on the net, but I din't manage to find anything |
| 13:51.43 | paulswm | vox: no |
| 13:51.52 | paulswm | vox: you don't have to |
| 13:52.01 | vox | so just change stable to testing and thats it? |
| 13:52.04 | Enkahel | so, just before commit suicide, I come here to explain my prob' |
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| 13:52.12 | paulswm | vox: yes |
| 13:52.28 | paulswm | vox: then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:52.39 | vox | what about security.debian.org, do i change that or remove it? |
| 13:52.42 | Enkahel | I have a laptop with ATI 9600 (or 9700) in it |
| 13:52.51 | Evon150 | FiedlySnuts thanks fo pointing on that |
| 13:53.10 | Enkahel | screen is able to display 1400x1050 75Hz with 24Bits color |
| 13:53.26 | paulswm | vox: I have mine commented out |
| 13:53.31 | Enkahel | prob is I block while trying to config X |
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| 13:54.33 | Enkahel | config' ask me for horizontal and vertical refresh, but I can't find them anywhere, so I entered the largest ranges |
| 13:55.09 | Enkahel | the prob is that X is bind to a poor 800x600 resolution, and that I can't use "X -configure" 'cause it tells me : |
| 13:55.24 | infodroid | Enkahel: #1 google your monitor for the correct freq, or apt-get install read-edid and look in your /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 13:55.51 | Enkahel | infodroid, I already tried to google my monitor |
| 13:56.00 | Enkahel | prob' is that I didn't find anything |
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| 13:56.17 | infodroid | Enkahel: you have read-edid? |
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| 13:56.26 | infodroid | Enkahel: you have discover? |
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| 13:57.10 | Enkahel | no, but I don't think the prob stands here... while I can't launch "X -configure" |
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| 13:57.47 | vox | paulswm: thanks for your help |
| 13:57.49 | Enkahel | error returned is "Failed to launch module 'glide' (a required submodule could not be loaded, 2)" |
| 13:58.06 | paulswm | vox: My pleasure. Enjoy sarge! |
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| 13:58.32 | Enkahel | I'm going to install discover and read-edid right now, just to see... |
| 13:58.35 | infodroid | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-hdetect-x |
| 13:58.41 | infodroid | Enkahel: check that |
| 13:59.08 | vox | paulswm: heh i've been using it for about 4 years now, but i ran into a GTK problem a few days back that no-one could solve, had to do a re-install.. now im trying to remember how i set everything up :) |
| 13:59.25 | Cheetah | hey hey :) |
| 13:59.50 | Enkahel | infodroid, I'm on it, but do you know why I can't decently use "X -configure" ? |
| 14:00.01 | Cheetah | what is the best way to monitor the health a lot of servers remotely? my health i mean disk usage, free memory/swap, servvices/processes and so on |
| 14:00.14 | paulswm | vox: Oh, I thought you were upgrading for the first time. Well good luck, and **keep notes** :) |
| 14:00.15 | infodroid | Enkahel: wtf is "X -configure"? call me lame but i've never used that switch before |
| 14:00.40 | vox | paulswm: heh i'll lose the notes :P |
| 14:01.22 | Enkahel | infodroid, X -configure is able to config X, and generate a decent X configuration file... |
| 14:01.53 | Enkahel | ... or I thought so : Xorg -configure allows to configure Xorg on other linux, I thought it would be the same on Sarge |
| 14:01.57 | caphuso | for some definitions of "decent" |
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| 14:02.30 | infodroid | Enkahel: i've always written my own configs |
| 14:02.41 | infodroid | Enkahel: are you using Xorg already? |
| 14:02.48 | Enkahel | infodroid, no |
| 14:02.53 | nevyn | Enkahel: debian uses dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 14:03.14 | Enkahel | I tried an "apt-cache search xorg" but nothing was returned |
| 14:03.50 | valdyn | !xorg |
| 14:03.50 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 14:03.57 | Enkahel | caphuso, by "decent", I mean a config file automaticaly generated but which does not contains errors |
| 14:04.17 | caphuso | Enkahel: that's called "basic", not "decent" |
| 14:04.34 | Enkahel | caphuso, ok, my mistake ;) |
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| 14:05.17 | infodroid | Enkahel: i fail to see the problem. apt-get install read-edid, discover, mdetect. then get "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to make you a basic file, and change the lines that aren't appropriate by hand. |
| 14:05.35 | Enkahel | ok |
| 14:05.58 | Enkahel | but I didn't understand how I get the refresh rates of my monitor ? |
| 14:06.21 | stego | If I'm running on an amd64 chip, and I don't want to cross over to 64bit yet, which kernel image do I want? 386, 686 or amd64? |
| 14:06.33 | caphuso | Enkahel: monitor manual |
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| 14:07.06 | Enkahel | caphuso, no prob, I already tried that as I said... it's a laptop and it's not mentionned anywhere |
| 14:07.09 | Enkahel | even on Net |
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| 14:07.17 | nevyn | read-edid should fix that. |
| 14:07.18 | fernando_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.21 | infodroid | Enkahel: yes, or google your monitor model number for the appropriate refresh rate, or look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log - IT WILL TELL YOU |
| 14:07.25 | fernando_ | the client say me: Cant found PXE file |
| 14:07.35 | fernando_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.43 | paulswm | Enkahel: What is your laptop make/model |
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| 14:09.30 | valdyn | stego: probably k7 |
| 14:09.37 | Enkahel | paulswm, Xbook XB7... also called... Compal CL56 |
| 14:10.50 | valdyn | stego: amd64 would be a 64 bit kernel, which you can also use in a 32 bit debian since the 32 bit emulation layer ( or whatever you call it ) is enabled |
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| 14:13.09 | stego | valdyn, thanks. |
| 14:13.19 | simonrvn | 1963 # numbers of times a compromised host tried to connect on port 22. i was watching it fly by in my logs, it was hilarious :) |
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| 14:16.02 | RichiH | simonrvn: apparently :) |
| 14:16.11 | simonrvn | hi RichiH |
| 14:16.19 | RichiH | hi |
| 14:16.56 | tid-wave | i've installed linux-2.6.10 from source with serial mouse support, but my mouse doesn't work .. i see a /dev/ttyS0 but gpm setserial and xfree say it's invalid. what can i do ? |
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| 14:17.45 | simonrvn | try /dev/input/mice *shrug* |
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| 14:18.12 | nevyn | tid-wave: did you compile actual serial device support? |
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| 14:18.45 | tid-wave | nevyn: hmmm looking |
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| 14:19.11 | infodroid | tid-wave: looking in /proc/bus/input/devices may be helpful |
| 14:19.36 | RichiH | simonrvn: how's you? |
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| 14:19.50 | tid-wave | i don't have serial support enabled .. :) |
| 14:19.54 | tid-wave | thanks nevyn |
| 14:20.18 | simonrvn | RichiH: doing ok. busy as fucking ever. you? |
| 14:20.36 | danielon | i want to make a question about vserver |
| 14:21.16 | danielon | i have installed util-vserver |
| 14:21.45 | danielon | backported to woody |
| 14:22.01 | h4mm3r` | did anyone install sasl2-bin ?? i can't start saslauthd daemon |
| 14:22.30 | RichiH | simonrvn: hopefully, it will get more quiet after next week |
| 14:22.58 | danielon | but i wont have it full backported |
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| 14:23.20 | danielon | teh vserver-debian is not backported |
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| 14:23.38 | danielon | how should i make my new vserver without that package |
| 14:23.54 | danielon | is that possible |
| 14:24.00 | Enkahel | infodroid, caphuso, nevyn, paulswm : great ! thank you ! It's working now :) |
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| 14:24.33 | paulswm | Enkahel: sorry, was afk. LCDs don't do refreshes like CRTs... I stopped typing when I saw your message , glad it's working :) |
| 14:24.33 | Enkahel | :xorg |
| 14:24.45 | Enkahel | !xorg |
| 14:24.45 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 14:25.37 | Enkahel | paulswm, yeah, it's working... now, I'm going to config OpenGL, and it will be perfect :) |
| 14:25.56 | danielon | get vserver-debian |
| 14:26.10 | danielon | !get vserver-debian |
| 14:26.13 | paulswm | Enkahel: is it wireless, and do you have that working yet? |
| 14:26.27 | danielon | !vserver-debian |
| 14:26.37 | Enkahel | paulswm, yeah, wifi is working perfectly |
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| 14:27.05 | paulswm | Enkahel: Cool. That is something I have been forced to learn a lot about :) |
| 14:27.11 | danielon | :xorg |
| 14:27.14 | danielon | !xorg |
| 14:27.14 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 14:27.25 | danielon | :vserver-debian |
| 14:27.33 | danielon | !vserver-debian |
| 14:27.35 | drac | stop it |
| 14:27.39 | drac | now |
| 14:27.50 | paulswm | danielon: /msg the bots, as per /topic |
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| 14:28.25 | danielon | paulswm: how should i leran it without damage |
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| 14:28.41 | Enkahel | paulswm, on this laptop, it was not so hard to configure... because the wireless card is recognised |
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| 14:29.04 | fairway | hi |
| 14:29.28 | fairway | upgrading apache->apache2 gives me this problem with mysql webstuff: MySQL functions missing, have you compiled PHP with the --with-mysql option? |
| 14:29.36 | fairway | the mysql mod is installed though |
| 14:29.50 | paulswm | danielon: I don't know, I don't use vserver |
| 14:30.03 | danielon | paulswm: thanks anywhay |
| 14:30.15 | paulswm | danielon: Sorry, good luck :) |
| 14:30.26 | danielon | mai be is too bad thing question it here |
| 14:30.48 | danielon | paulswm: good luck too |
| 14:30.52 | danielon | bye |
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| 14:32.34 | paulswm | Enkahel: No dirver with my wife's card, so I was in ndiswrapper hell for a while, and eventually got it working with WEP, now I am in wpa_supplicant hell trying to get WPA-PSK working, card is very fast though |
| 14:32.41 | fairway | how do i activate the mysql mod in apache2? |
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| 14:33.35 | Enkahel | paulswm, I don't use the security tools offered by WiFi |
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| 14:34.09 | infodroid | Enkahel: just got back, very cool - did you get your hands dirty in XF86Config-4? |
| 14:34.18 | FieldySnuts | s/adn/and/ |
| 14:34.29 | Enkahel | infodroid, as you say ! |
| 14:34.40 | paulswm | Enkahel: well, if you decide to, WEP is easy to set up, although of course it's quite weak, WPA is another ball game, easy for some |
| 14:34.50 | Enkahel | just because my f*** laptop has a wide screen, I had to config the file by hand :) |
| 14:35.02 | black_girl | cya all |
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| 14:35.46 | paulswm | Enkahel: and what FieldySnuts is saying is of course true, if you don't secure your network, keep an eye on your gateway's thoughput :) |
| 14:36.05 | Enkahel | paulswm, when I had to secure my wireless network at home as at work, I prefered putting a RADIUS server and prevent all access except mail and web |
| 14:36.42 | Enkahel | it's far better than try to slow the wireless speed with WEP or WPA |
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| 14:36.53 | jethro | Enkahel: heard of 802.11 mitm attacks? |
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| 14:37.38 | infodroid | someone tell me of a wifi protocol that isn't crackable |
| 14:38.00 | fairway | quantum cryphtography |
| 14:38.02 | paulswm | Enkahel: yes, I have been considering that also. I'm running four boxes here, and the only wifi is my wife's laptop (the box in question), she usually runs XP, so I think I'll leave the AP at WPA-PSK and only switch it to weaker security when I'm running sarge on her box. |
| 14:38.02 | infodroid | hehe |
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| 14:38.14 | jethro | wpa-eap with ccmp is nice |
| 14:38.18 | scarynetworkguy | infodroid: There is not one. If you want to do WiFi you need to encrypt everything you care about with something real. Both WEP and WPA are total shite. |
| 14:38.27 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: ^^ |
| 14:38.32 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: nice is a odd misspelling of shite. |
| 14:38.36 | infodroid | scarynetworkguy: i'm scared already |
| 14:38.45 | jethro | what's wrong with wpa-eap and ccmp ? |
| 14:38.47 | infodroid | don't get near my house |
| 14:38.47 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: No it's not. Not at all. |
| 14:39.00 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: or WPA-PSK with TKIP for that matter |
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| 14:39.10 | zered1 | Hi everybody |
| 14:39.17 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: I agree psk is shite, but strong auth and frequent key renewal is safe |
| 14:39.24 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: At best they are maybe speedbumps. Tottally useless. |
| 14:39.24 | Enkahel | jethro, no, but I'm google it :) so... mitm attacks.... |
| 14:39.28 | zered1 | Someone is using debian on an hp laptop here ? |
| 14:39.51 | Enkahel | maybe I heard this term, but in my own language :) |
| 14:39.52 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: Not even fuck around with it. Just tunnel everything you care about with real crypto. Easy peasy safe and secure. |
| 14:40.01 | scarynetworkguy | s/Not/Don't |
| 14:40.13 | simonrvn | Enkahel: MITM attack = man-in-the-middle attack |
| 14:40.17 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: the question is why wouldn't I, not what are my alternatives |
| 14:40.18 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Becasue as crypto schemes they all suck. |
| 14:40.26 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: I'm not trying to challenge you, but do you have a reference on which I could read up, I have an interest in security anyway |
| 14:40.42 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: Because it is useless as crypto. |
| 14:40.51 | paulswm | I thought WPA was relatively safe |
| 14:40.56 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: how would you break in then? |
| 14:41.14 | simonrvn | 48 bits is not strong enough by any means. a G3 or G4 or some recent x86 can crack that in minutes |
| 14:41.21 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: I doubt you can be fast enough to break ccmp renewed on a regular basis |
| 14:41.28 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: Sniff it and apply one of the many cracking tools that are out there to break it. |
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| 14:41.30 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: I m not talking 40bit wep keys |
| 14:41.45 | FieldySnuts | in the end it's over wireless. that right there screams 'INSECURE', I don't care what crypto you're using. |
| 14:41.46 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: well that's true of WEP of course |
| 14:41.49 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: there ain't no such tool for ccmp and you have to know that you need to collect a decent amout of data |
| 14:42.10 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: that's where the renewal gets important |
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| 14:42.36 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: anyone with some skill and a UHF radio can get at it ;p |
| 14:42.47 | FieldySnuts | it's a lot higher than UHF |
| 14:42.48 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: plus you'd need to break the authentication which is not done by the wep keys when you use wpa-psk / wpa-eap |
| 14:42.55 | paulswm | Even with WEP you have to collect up to 100Mbits of transmission before the keys have cycled |
| 14:43.15 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: jethro And any of the others. None of them have been in use long enough or looked at by enough real crypto people to be considered safe in any way shape or form They are all complex and based off of non-standard crypto schemes. |
| 14:43.17 | FieldySnuts | anyway. see my last statement on this. |
| 14:43.24 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: i know. lame joke. it's in the GHz |
| 14:43.34 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: And this has been tested for how long, that you have such confidence in it? |
| 14:43.36 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: sounds like FUD to me, sorry |
| 14:44.21 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: I understand, and respect your networking skills, but if you have a reference for this re. WPA, I'd be grateful, but I can always google if you don't have one or the time. |
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| 14:44.44 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: Do you know the first thing about how real crypto is tested? Granted it may not be easily breakable today but till it has been in use for *years* and pounded on by many thousands of cyrpto experts it's shite. |
| 14:45.04 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: This is about crypto in general. How long has WPA beenin use? |
| 14:45.48 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: Not very long, a couple years or so max? A guess. |
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| 14:46.10 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: on the one hand, wep is weak, as you just said, but on the other end there are countermeasures to wep's weakness, and I m not even talking wep and the buggy RC4, I m talking ccmp/aes, now if you give some pointers I d be more then happy to learn, if you can't I consider it FUD |
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| 14:46.30 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Right. This in a science where a couple of years is nowhere close to long enough. |
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| 14:46.40 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: SSH/SSL for anything you care about. |
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| 14:46.46 | jethro | ffs |
| 14:46.49 | FieldySnuts | amazing what people will trust their data to. |
| 14:47.03 | scarynetworkguy | Simple, tested, secure. Done and done. |
| 14:47.16 | Enkahel | scarynetworkguy, agree |
| 14:47.35 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: Even with WPA I would always use SSH even on my internal home LAN |
| 14:47.50 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: Think about it you send %99 of your data over the internet non-encrypted. Why are you so worried about the few seconds it spends in the air? Just use real crypto. |
| 14:47.51 | oramirez | Hi, where can I learn how the debian package tree works? |
| 14:48.09 | simonrvn | tree? such as? |
| 14:48.22 | valdyn | oramirez: no such thing. |
| 14:48.24 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Right but why go through all that pain to use something that doesn't meet any of the guidlines for good crypto when it is so very easy to do it right? |
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| 14:48.32 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: yeah sure, leave my wlan open and use ssh/ssl, that's a good idea |
| 14:48.50 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: What AP do you use? |
| 14:48.53 | Enkahel | I didn't took so much effort in securing my wireless network... I thought RADIUS was enough... and I'm still thinking so :) I'm not in a large city, I'm not a big research company, and I don't have "for you eyes only" data on my computers... |
| 14:49.03 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: And yes there is a very real legal argument for that being a good idea. |
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| 14:49.20 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: I m fine with my wpa-eap setup using ccmp as the key renewal protocol, I ll just wait until you get better arguments to switch to ssh/ssl only :) |
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| 14:50.19 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: I use many different tastes of AP, but they are all wpa-eap compliant and can all do ccmp |
| 14:50.30 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: Who developed the protocol? How long has it been tested? Who in the cyrpto community has blessed it? You have to remember that in this game you are brining a new protocol to the table. It is your job to defend it. This is the way crypto testing works. |
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| 14:50.48 | simonrvn | jethro: FYI, "flavour" is the word you're looking for, i think |
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| 14:50.59 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: using ssh over a wireless network doens't prevent someone getting in to the network and using my gateway or attemtping to hack the LAN machines |
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| 14:51.06 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: it's based on AES for the 'crypto' part (I guess you are refering to keys, similar to wep), and the authentication part is based on x509 certs |
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| 14:51.32 | jethro | simonrvn: sorry I m not a native english speaker, thanks for the info tho |
| 14:51.40 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: I'd bet .us $100 that you can limit your AP by MAC address. |
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| 14:51.47 | soften | I know of a company that has completely secure wireless lan solution; they filter at the arp level |
| 14:51.55 | simonrvn | jethro: np |
| 14:52.03 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: and I work in the information security field, did a lot on wifi networks too, so I guess I know what I m talking about |
| 14:52.11 | infodroid | scarynetworkguy: yea but will that stop someone sniffing your packets? |
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| 14:52.19 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: Based on being the key words there. You have to keep in mind that in this game a new protocol is guilty till proven innnocent. |
| 14:52.20 | penta | How can i start process on different user id ? for exampl ei wanna start svnserver with svnuser |
| 14:52.26 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: But that can be spoofed. It's a good backup if you're using the weak WEP I suppose. |
| 14:52.31 | linoleum | hello, I would like to have some adice : I am under fluxbox , and I want to use amarok (it's a KDE app to listen music) , and I have the choice between Arts, GStreamer and Xine audio systems ... which one should I use/choose ??? |
| 14:52.47 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: which protocol are you talking about? |
| 14:52.47 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: Gotta disagree. If you are sitting up WiFi you know shite about security. |
| 14:53.03 | scarynetworkguy | infodroid: Anything you care about is encrypted with real encryption. |
| 14:53.04 | asg | penta: su, sudo |
| 14:53.08 | mwilson | linoleum: What does your choice of window manager have to do with that? |
| 14:53.08 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy, jethro: Thanks for making me think., guys |
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| 14:53.20 | FieldySnuts | what it comes down here is this: some people care about security, others don't. you're not going to make one side jump to the other. so kwityerbitchin. |
| 14:53.23 | oramirez | valdyn, mmm... when I make an apt-get install xxx packages... how does debian know where they belong? |
| 14:53.41 | FieldySnuts | besides, how else can I get online when I"m away from home, please, leave some AP's open! |
| 14:53.46 | skip_ | hi all...can't burn a file to DVD using k3b. I can create a new DVD project, but the burn process finishes within a few seconds and says it was successful, but nothing is written to the DVD |
| 14:53.53 | linoleum | mwilson: because if I was under KDE , I will choose the ARts audio system, it's obvious |
| 14:54.01 | oramirez | valdyn, apt-get update is calling just a list of packages right? |
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| 14:54.05 | FieldySnuts | arts is dung |
| 14:54.17 | infodroid | linoleum: a lot of people believe that gstreamer is the way forward, arts is defunct now |
| 14:54.18 | mwilson | linoleum: To you, maybe. |
| 14:54.19 | valdyn | oramirez: apt downloads package lists when you do apt-get update. Those lists include dependency information |
| 14:54.20 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: yeah, and to a greater extent, if you care about security, you shouldn't be connected to any network |
| 14:54.29 | mwilson | linoleum: To anyone sane, no, they wouldn't use arts. |
| 14:54.31 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: That's no true. |
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| 14:54.40 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: think there is no point in going on |
| 14:54.46 | FieldySnuts | i'll pass on any sound daemon, i mean, come on, it's sound. oh no, I can't play two stupid sounds at the same time! |
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| 14:54.56 | scarynetworkguy | jethro: Cleary not since you don't grok how crypto is done. |
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| 14:55.06 | FieldySnuts | @win scarynetworkguy |
| 14:55.08 | ravenbird | Congratulations, scarynetworkguy! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 14:55.10 | jethro | scarynetworkguy: yes sure, I m the one narrowminded :) |
| 14:55.15 | valdyn | oramirez: type "apt-cache show <somepackage>" then you will see an entry in the package list for <packagename> |
| 14:55.42 | linoleum | mwilson: by the way it's write on the description of the amarok-arts engince : "Most KDE users will find this engine to just work for them." |
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| 14:56.01 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: Heh. |
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| 14:56.08 | Enkahel | gg |
| 14:56.19 | lopuz | Hi. I am new to debian and I am trying to install a new kernel. I downloaded the 2.6.8-368 kernel via apt-get, but when i am to boot with the kernel, I get the "unable to mount root on 03:03 (hda3) |
| 14:56.28 | infodroid | besides people, wifi is just as secure as your line to your isp |
| 14:56.43 | valdyn | oramirez: /var/lib/apt/lists has the complete lists of packages |
| 14:56.50 | jethro | infodroid: no it's shite, as per the wise scarynetworkguy |
| 14:56.55 | FieldySnuts | people in a 360 degree circle can't pick p data off your "isp line" |
| 14:57.04 | rdancer | where should i put nfs exports for individual hosts, and boot images to be retrieved over tftp -- /exports and /tftpboot doesn't look like the right place? |
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| 14:57.12 | FieldySnuts | unless they have some very, very high end equipment, and if it's shielded, no go |
| 14:57.12 | jethro | hi jetscreamer |
| 14:57.19 | oramirez | valdyn, does apt-get ever gets confuse? |
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| 14:57.31 | infodroid | well no, i don't see the big fuss about wifi being insecure - anyone in your WAN or along the way to your isp can sniff your packets |
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| 14:57.55 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 14:58.00 | FieldySnuts | you have a cable. some random person can't just drive up two houses down and park themselves on your network. with wireless they can. with today's "security" on wireless, they still can with work, ranging from a little, to a lot |
| 14:58.05 | paulswm | jetscreamer! |
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| 14:58.14 | FieldySnuts | but i think this talk ended, so out I am |
| 14:58.27 | valdyn | oramirez: not unless you hit a bug in apt-get or a bug in the Packages dependency information or conflicting package lists |
| 14:58.29 | rdancer | infodroid: but they will most likely be traceable, especially if they did it over a longer period of time |
| 14:58.32 | soften | sitting here in this chair, in a residential neighborhood of a small town 25 miles from the nearest major interstate highway, I can get onto three different wifi networks. all having 1mbps or greater downstream as reported by dslreports. |
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| 14:58.45 | paulswm | Was interesting, though |
| 14:58.47 | lopuz | Anyone who knows what's wrong with my problem? |
| 14:58.49 | tombs | hi |
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| 14:58.57 | FieldySnuts | @lart "wifi" |
| 14:58.57 | soften | this leads me to suspect that wifi in itself may not be "just as secure" as much of anything |
| 14:59.01 | asg | soften: there are 6 from my couch here. |
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| 14:59.41 | FieldySnuts | i've been in peoples apartments where there are so many AP',s all "channels" (note, some overlap) are used and they interfere with each other |
| 14:59.43 | jethro | please stop the FUD about wireless |
| 14:59.44 | rdancer | soften: that just means the admins are a bit hippy |
| 14:59.45 | valdyn | oramirez: the way to calculate dependencies is a straightforward mathematical algorithm, so as long as theres no bugs it will work |
| 14:59.47 | paulswm | lopuz: what debian version and boot loader are you using |
| 14:59.49 | jethro | or at least give good arguments |
| 14:59.58 | FieldySnuts | it's not fud. just some people here obviously lack a clue |
| 15:00.28 | soften | jethro: observation of total insecurity of widely available default configurations is a splendid argument, not fud. perhaps study the terms to see what they mean, |
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| 15:00.48 | lopuz | paulswm: I started with a woody install disk, upgraded to stable. my lilo version is 22.6.1 |
| 15:01.01 | soften | wifi which depends on unencrypted or wep for its security is insecure. |
| 15:01.14 | valdyn | oramirez: oh and the "tree" you may have been referring to isnt stored anyway, its created each time you run apt-get |
| 15:01.35 | soften | additional network precautions must be taken to secure a wireless network. this is not even up for debate anywhere in the known universe.... |
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| 15:01.57 | asuffield | with current market hardware, the only way to get a remotely secure network is to either use a linux box with a card in it instead of an AP, or put a real router behind each AP |
| 15:01.58 | paulswm | lopuz: check your lilo.conf, or even run lilo and see if they're any errors |
| 15:01.59 | oramirez | valdyn, YEAH!!! |
| 15:02.00 | FieldySnuts | jetscreamer: he never actually said |
| 15:02.09 | oramirez | valdyn, you have resolve my question!! |
| 15:02.14 | rdancer | fwiw, /me plans to use ipsec p2p tunnels with every wifi client 8-) |
| 15:02.21 | lopuz | jetscreamer: you may want to look above |
| 15:02.33 | jetscreamer | lopuz, i just got here musta missed it |
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| 15:02.52 | lopuz | Hi. I am new to debian and I am trying to install a new kernel. I downloaded the 2.6.8-368 kernel via apt-get, but when i am to boot with the kernel, I get the "unable to mount root on 03:03 (hda3) |
| 15:02.56 | soften | rdancer, that protects the content of the traffic but not access to the transport of course; anyone not interested in the content of your traffic can still jack your network. |
| 15:03.02 | lopuz | was the message |
| 15:03.04 | oramirez | valdyn, is there more info than man apt-? |
| 15:03.12 | ketamine-usp | does debian use x.org or XFree86? |
| 15:03.14 | valdyn | oramirez: that is also one reason why apt-get will suck on slow machines if you have huge repositories, as debian does |
| 15:03.15 | lopuz | paulswm: i cant see to find any errors |
| 15:03.18 | asg | ketamine-usp: the latter |
| 15:03.19 | infodroid | isn't it possible to have a machine on the lan act as a proxy? wrap packets via ssh to and from this machine to any wifi clients? |
| 15:03.29 | jetscreamer | lopuz did you add initrd=initrd.img to lilo.conf |
| 15:03.36 | FieldySnuts | vpn or something sure |
| 15:03.42 | oramirez | valdyn, you are right. |
| 15:03.42 | FieldySnuts | problem is you're adding overhead and all that. |
| 15:03.44 | FieldySnuts | oh well |
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| 15:03.54 | infodroid | FieldySnuts: vpn then? |
| 15:03.58 | soften | I manage a server which runs on a pentium-75 with 80 megs of ram. apt-get is not fast (nothing is on that machine) but it's not overly slow either. |
| 15:04.02 | lopuz | jetscreamer: nope. That's the problem? |
| 15:04.17 | paulswm | lopuz: probably |
| 15:04.19 | jetscreamer | lopuz, usually from a woody 2.2 ... |
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| 15:04.27 | lopuz | ah |
| 15:04.30 | valdyn | oramirez: i don't know where the best docs about apt-get are, probably its source code |
| 15:04.36 | paulswm | !beer jetscreamer |
| 15:04.38 | lopuz | i'll try. thanks a lot:) |
| 15:04.47 | FieldySnuts | the solution is not to use RF for carrying data. thanks. |
| 15:04.56 | FieldySnuts | ok, RF not on a wire. |
| 15:05.05 | paulswm | heh |
| 15:05.07 | oramirez | valdyn, :) |
| 15:05.08 | jetscreamer | lopuz, similar to image=/vmlinuz" |
| 15:05.08 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:05.16 | jetscreamer | err no " |
| 15:05.28 | soften | How To Use apt-get : http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/apt-get-intro/apt-and-install.html.en |
| 15:05.30 | jetscreamer | thenrerun lilo |
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| 15:06.25 | oramirez | valdyn, thanks for helping out :) |
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| 15:06.32 | infodroid | also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 15:06.40 | valdyn | oramirez: welcome |
| 15:06.43 | pif_ | hi I am trying to get devfsd to create /dev/psaux dynamically when loading the psmouse module |
| 15:06.52 | Cheetah | hey again |
| 15:07.09 | bob2 | devfs is massively deprecated |
| 15:07.13 | Cheetah | is there an easy way to create/modify/edit the init scripts for the different runlevels? On suses there is a tool called chkconfig |
| 15:07.13 | valdyn | infodroid: he was more looking on how apt works, not on how apt-get is used i think |
| 15:07.15 | jetscreamer | i was gonna say that |
| 15:07.16 | paulswm | but works |
| 15:07.42 | bob2 | Cheetah: what do yo uwant to change? |
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| 15:07.50 | infodroid | valdyn: ok |
| 15:07.55 | Baard | I upgraded my Debian Sarge server yesterday, and now spamassassin fails with "bayes db version 0 is not able to be used, aborting! at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin/BayesStore/DBM.pm line 160". Any idea why ? If I run `sa-learn --sync` bayes db get fixed, but then later the same error reapear |
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| 15:07.57 | Cheetah | well, i want to disable the portmapper script for runlevel 5 |
| 15:08.17 | Cheetah | without deleting the link by hand |
| 15:08.19 | bob2 | Baard: SA might have broken bayes DB compatibility |
| 15:08.22 | bob2 | ie you have to retrain |
| 15:08.27 | bob2 | Cheetah: update-rc.d |
| 15:08.29 | jethro | soften: of course, as with anything, there is some work to secure it |
| 15:08.31 | bob2 | but using rm is just as as easy |
| 15:08.33 | valdyn | Cheetah: apt-get install rcconf |
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| 15:08.49 | jethro | soften: but 'wireless' isn't insecure as is, just default configurations are |
| 15:08.49 | paulswm | Cheetah: man update-rc.d - I think that's what you're looking for. If you just want to disable a script, you could make the first line 'exit 0' I suppose |
| 15:08.51 | bob2 | rcconf is broken |
| 15:08.56 | bob2 | sysv-rc-conf is the replacement |
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| 15:09.06 | Baard | bob2: But when running sa-learn --sync the db seem ok again |
| 15:09.06 | valdyn | bob2: ack, ops |
| 15:09.36 | jethro | FieldySnuts: like on *-eap and the new standards or temporal key renewal ? |
| 15:09.41 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
| 15:09.44 | jethro | FieldySnuts: if so, I agree, some people like clues |
| 15:09.49 | hdo781 | Does anyone know how to get cookies and SSL working on links2, the text and graphical web browser? |
| 15:09.50 | jethro | s/like/lack/ even |
| 15:09.56 | FieldySnuts | it's okay i dun care right now |
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| 15:10.37 | Cheetah | well, do I have to run identd, rpc and portmap on a standard dns server? |
| 15:11.16 | jethro | Cheetah: no |
| 15:11.33 | Cheetah | alright. i wonder why debian-installer puts them on by default tho :D |
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| 15:13.39 | valdyn | !info identd |
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| 15:14.23 | valdyn | !info pidentd |
| 15:14.28 | dpkg | pidentd: (TCP/IP IDENT protocol server with DES support), section net, is standard. Version: 3.0.18-2 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
| 15:15.08 | infodroid | paulswm: will that withstand the EMP death rays? |
| 15:15.15 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 15:15.21 | valdyn | paulswm: and you CRT |
| 15:15.24 | valdyn | paulswm: and your CRT |
| 15:16.14 | hdo781 | Does anyone know how to get cookies and SSL working on links2, the text and graphical web browser? |
| 15:16.46 | paulswm | Problem is, I'd have to build it over the whole property :) |
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| 15:17.22 | paulswm | infodroid: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/viman.gif |
| 15:17.55 | infodroid | paulswm: oh yes, we're all real mean not hippies |
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| 15:18.12 | stego | What do you call a dead parrot? |
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| 15:18.17 | spark_ | Hi there people. |
| 15:18.20 | spark_ | Can _anyone_ here tell me how I can enable syntax highlighting for php files in emacs (> v21) ? |
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| 15:18.56 | infodroid | a dead parrot |
| 15:18.59 | infodroid | ? |
| 15:19.02 | stego | polygon |
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| 15:19.14 | paulswm | !beat stego |
| 15:19.20 | stego | So, what do you call a hungry parrot? |
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| 15:19.55 | stego | Polynomial! |
| 15:20.30 | stego | Just trying to give back to the community... |
| 15:20.34 | paulswm | !beat stego harder |
| 15:20.40 | paulswm | :) |
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| 15:21.34 | Cheetah | is there a standard way of hardening and securing a freshly installed debian machine? |
| 15:22.02 | stew | Cheetah: /msg dpkg security |
| 15:22.12 | paulswm | A service for regulars in this channel who may need this as it's a weekend: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/PrepH.jpg |
| 15:22.40 | Cheetah | well, i didnt mean patches and software updates |
| 15:22.41 | stew | paulswm: heh |
| 15:22.56 | Cheetah | mainly things I should do after I installed it, like disableing root-login for ssh |
| 15:22.57 | Cheetah | and so on |
| 15:22.59 | infodroid | hehe thats gotta hurt |
| 15:23.21 | stew | Cheetah: debian.org/security |
| 15:23.26 | paulswm | stew: Stupid and puerile I know, but that just tickles me :) |
| 15:23.40 | Cheetah | okay |
| 15:24.03 | thingfish | hehe paulswm |
| 15:24.03 | stew | Cheetah: apt-get install harden-doc |
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| 15:24.30 | Cheetah | thx |
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| 15:25.30 | infodroid | stew: is that like http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 15:25.40 | tarzeau | paulswm: or www.linuks.mine.nu/pod.jpg |
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| 15:26.10 | paulswm | tarzeau: Oh, that is *so* good. |
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| 15:26.34 | stew | infodroid: i dunno |
| 15:26.42 | apfel | Any ideas on how to access my digital camera over USB? |
| 15:26.53 | tarzeau | apfel: using gtkam or Camera.app |
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| 15:27.21 | stego | apfel, gphoto2? |
| 15:27.24 | infodroid | tarzeau: that linked to http://apt-get.mine.nu/ |
| 15:27.49 | stego | apfel, it's a little outdated, but it helped me... http://jace.seacrow.com/tech/linux/usbcam |
| 15:27.50 | paulswm | infodroid: not for me, I got the image |
| 15:27.55 | tarzeau | infodroid: yeah the banners on linuks.mine.nu are random... |
| 15:28.27 | paulswm | infodroid: sorry, forget what I said |
| 15:28.27 | apfel | Thanks alot! |
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| 15:28.45 | sumo | hi |
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| 15:29.47 | infodroid | paulswm: np :) |
| 15:29.53 | Oswald | im looking for a good program to rip cd's straight to mp3's ... ideas? |
| 15:30.08 | tarzeau | Oswald: ripperx, jack? |
| 15:30.23 | asg | Oswald: abcde |
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| 15:30.40 | tarzeau | Oswald: you sure don't want ogg? |
| 15:30.51 | chugga | hah @ ogg |
| 15:30.53 | Oswald | im curious about ogg .... whats the difference |
| 15:30.54 | lopuz | I have an USB mouse. i have loaded the usbmouse module, but which device should i use for X |
| 15:31.07 | nevyn | lopuz: /dev/input/mice |
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| 15:31.27 | asg | Oswald: ogg is not encumbered by licensing issues like mp3 |
| 15:31.29 | FieldySnuts | Oswald: if you have fair to good speakers, the difference is noticable. higher quality for a given bitrate, less loss of highs and much less loss of lows |
| 15:31.31 | infodroid | Oswald: apples, oranges |
| 15:31.34 | chugga | Oswald, ogg is the format almost no one apart from linux geeks uses. but its technically better and whatever |
| 15:31.43 | FieldySnuts | @troll chugga |
| 15:31.56 | chugga | rabid fanboys |
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| 15:31.59 | FieldySnuts | funny. 3 out of 4 of my windows buddies use ogg, and prefer it to mp3. but oh well, flame debate |
| 15:32.07 | asg | chugga: it's supported on a number of devices (including the Neuros) |
| 15:32.10 | FieldySnuts | yeah. troll. thanks for making it clear that anything you say is worthless, cheers |
| 15:32.18 | chugga | asg, who cares |
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| 15:32.28 | asg | chugga: I do, and that's all the matters |
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| 15:32.33 | FieldySnuts | asg: :) |
| 15:32.47 | Oswald | im not trolling just getting some info ;-) |
| 15:33.00 | asg | Oswald: we know your not |
| 15:33.18 | Phated | Woo. |
| 15:33.24 | FieldySnuts | wee hi Phated |
| 15:33.24 | paulswm | Phated! |
| 15:33.28 | FieldySnuts | grr too many ph nicks |
| 15:33.32 | lopuz | xf86openserial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice. No such device |
| 15:33.33 | lopuz | why? |
| 15:33.41 | Phated | I should join pop-con. :) |
| 15:33.42 | Oswald | i tried using kaudio creator and it has problems ripping for some reason |
| 15:33.52 | Phated | paulswm: Hello. |
| 15:33.59 | FieldySnuts | it's a kde app, no surprise. kde apps focus on looking good over functionality. |
| 15:34.11 | gradzac | Oswald: I like grip |
| 15:34.12 | FieldySnuts | you could try grip, or abcde |
| 15:34.20 | asg | Phated: then CD1 would be full of fluffles and xteddy packages ;) |
| 15:34.23 | chugga | grip sucks |
| 15:34.25 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 15:34.29 | paulswm | kde apps look good? |
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| 15:34.31 | Phated | asg: And openbox. |
| 15:34.36 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: some say so. not me. |
| 15:34.40 | asg | Phated: :) |
| 15:34.41 | Phated | GTK2 over all. :) |
| 15:34.49 | chugga | cdparanoia is cool |
| 15:34.57 | FieldySnuts | dumbass. grip USES cdparanoia. |
| 15:35.00 | vwirem | Am I the only one who believes that it is stupid to start (and arrage it to start by default) a server after installing it? (for ex apache) |
| 15:35.01 | gradzac | grip uses cdparanoia |
| 15:35.13 | chugga | FieldySnuts, grip sucks |
| 15:35.18 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Me neither, I can see why others might think so though |
| 15:35.18 | FieldySnuts | then don't use it |
| 15:35.22 | lopuz | nevyn: I get this error that the device doesnt exist. why? |
| 15:35.24 | gradzac | also interfaces with freedb, uses any encoder you want, etc, etc |
| 15:35.25 | asg | vwirem: not unless you plan to use it rarely. |
| 15:35.29 | Phated | It's just a frontend. Sheesh. |
| 15:35.35 | FieldySnuts | no kiddin |
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| 15:35.41 | GDL | ello, does anyone here use kingate proxy ? |
| 15:35.44 | FieldySnuts | when i do work i use abcde, nice console ap |
| 15:35.44 | chugga | Phated, and it sucks.. whats the big deal? |
| 15:35.56 | FieldySnuts | @ops chugga trolling |
| 15:35.56 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: chugga trolling |
| 15:35.58 | nevyn | lopuz: /dev/input/mice doesn't exist? |
| 15:36.07 | lopuz | well |
| 15:36.11 | vwirem | asg, I want to configure it first... Is there any way to tell dpkg not to start the server after installing it? |
| 15:36.12 | lopuz | no such device i meant |
| 15:36.12 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Never tried it. cdparanoia foreva! :) |
| 15:36.28 | Oswald | so it seems most favor cdparanoia |
| 15:36.40 | asg | vwirem: not really, though you could use netcat to listen on port 80 during the install which will prevent apache from starting. |
| 15:36.55 | gradzac | cdparanoia is definately the best for ripping cds |
| 15:36.55 | sumo | i've installed kdebase and kde-i18n-de, and want kde to be german, but i can not set the german language in the kde settings, i can hit it with the mouse, but it doesn't appears on the active languages. when i remove the ~/.kde* folders/files, and set the language german on first config of kde, it also doesn't work. has anybody a idea what the mistake can be? |
| 15:36.58 | asg | vwirem: or use ipchains/iptables to block inbound to that port. |
| 15:37.01 | scarynetworkguy | Oswald: Almost everything else is just a frontend for it. Cut out the middleman. |
| 15:37.04 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: don't call for ops without a reason |
| 15:37.04 | jetscreamer | no i didn't mean he was a troll |
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| 15:37.20 | asg | vwirem: an unconfigured apache won't hurt anything and a simple /etc/init.d/apache stop will bring it down. |
| 15:37.22 | Tinky | anyone know where i can download mephis? |
| 15:37.23 | Oswald | alright time to apt get |
| 15:37.24 | Phated | Oswald: It's not going to rip -directly- to mp3 or ogg. |
| 15:37.28 | asg | Tinky: #mephis |
| 15:37.37 | Tinky | asg : incorrect |
| 15:37.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Man, you sound like a Dell advert. :D |
| 15:37.47 | Oswald | Phated, really? |
| 15:37.47 | lopuz | nevyn: any idea? |
| 15:37.48 | tsw | I have cupsys installed and when lookin localhost:631 printer (hp psc 1310) is shown correnctly " Printer State: idle, accepting jobs. " but I cant print anything (on debian/sarge) any pointers? |
| 15:37.48 | vwirem | asg, so stupid behaviour from a so wonderful package system.... |
| 15:37.49 | tyranix_ | vwirem: I agree with you. I think it would be better to not start things by default when you just installed it. It could tell you instead, start with /etc/init.d/... start. |
| 15:37.49 | Phated | Tinky: #mepis, even. |
| 15:37.50 | chugga | Oswald, it will give you wav files which you can pass through an mp3 encoder |
| 15:37.50 | jetscreamer | oswald != sid oswald eh |
| 15:37.54 | GDL | ello, does anyone here use Kingate proxy ? |
| 15:37.59 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Do I? I've not seen it. |
| 15:38.04 | Tinky | oh sorry |
| 15:38.07 | Tinky | my bad |
| 15:38.14 | asg | Tinky: you are not referring to Mephis the based-on-but-not-debian distro? |
| 15:38.21 | Tinky | thanks dudes |
| 15:38.23 | Phated | Oswald: No duh. Check it out. It rips to .wav. Use sox or lame to encode to ogg or mp3 later. |
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| 15:38.27 | Tinky | lol nvm |
| 15:38.28 | Tinky | thanks |
| 15:38.30 | asg | Phated: he called you a dude |
| 15:38.31 | FieldySnuts | Oswald: grip uses cdparanoia anyway. as does abcde. |
| 15:38.36 | Phated | asg: It's Mepis, anyway. |
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| 15:38.40 | asg | Phated: granted |
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| 15:38.42 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: It's here. |
| 15:38.49 | Oswald | is abcde a frontend ? |
| 15:38.51 | infodroid | sumo: Control Centre > Regional & Accessibility > Country/Region & Language |
| 15:38.52 | asg | Oswald: yes |
| 15:38.53 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Coolnes. |
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| 15:39.00 | Oswald | asg, ok |
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| 15:39.08 | tyranix_ | Oswald: it's just a shell script. |
| 15:39.22 | Phated | Besides, use ogg! :) |
| 15:39.30 | chugga | nah dont use ogg |
| 15:39.39 | scarynetworkguy | As do all good hearted people. |
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| 15:39.48 | chugga | you'll regret it in a few years when you have a bunch of directories full of crappy ogg files |
| 15:39.49 | FieldySnuts | Oswald: don't listen to chugga , he has zero reasons behind what he says, also known as a "troll" |
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| 15:40.03 | FieldySnuts | funny. I regret ever using mp3s, as I have a bunch of directories full of crappy mp3 files. |
| 15:40.05 | sumo | infodroid, i've found out the problem, it is because the kdebase version is > than the kde-i18n-de version, that's the problem :) |
| 15:40.09 | chugga | FieldySnuts, i do so have reasons, you didnt even want to hear me before calling me troll |
| 15:40.10 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: *nod* |
| 15:40.11 | gradzac | the only problem with ogg in my experience is that you have to be very careful when buying potable music players |
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| 15:40.14 | sumo | thanx, problem sloved |
| 15:40.23 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Oh aye. |
| 15:40.29 | asg | gradzac: /msg dpkg vorbis hardware |
| 15:40.29 | gradzac | but ogg works great on my rio karma! |
| 15:40.37 | FieldySnuts | gah i've been sucessfully trolled, sorry |
| 15:40.41 | Oswald | gradzac, if thats the case couldn't you convert select songs to mp3? |
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| 15:40.42 | Giovanni | Guys i've a problem with usb storage who can help me? |
| 15:40.43 | scarynetworkguy | gradzac: Rio Karma. Done and done. There are some projects to hack the Creative players but they aren't there yet. |
| 15:40.43 | Phated | Oh, it works on a Karma? Brilliant, I'm getting that then. |
| 15:40.55 | chugga | good luck on getting that to work on linux |
| 15:40.57 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah. |
| 15:40.57 | gradzac | Oswald: yes you can |
| 15:41.10 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Woohoo. |
| 15:41.19 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Whoo. |
| 15:41.21 | grivell | scarynetworkguy: iRiver |
| 15:41.46 | gradzac | Oswald: going from ogg direct to mp3 will loose quality, but depending on the quality of your player, you may or may not notice it |
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| 15:42.01 | chugga | Oswald, when you send your non geek friends an ogg they'll ask you what is this, and how do i open it - and they'll not fully trust you anyway .. they probably wont even be able to play that file so be careful |
| 15:42.01 | scarynetworkguy | grivell: Yeah. That too. I'm either going to get a karma or more likely they will be done hacking the creative by the time I get the dosh for one. |
| 15:42.06 | Giovanni | Guys i've a problem with usb storage who can help me? |
| 15:42.14 | GDL | ello, does anyone here use Kingate proxy ? |
| 15:42.20 | RichiH | chugga: winamp plays ogg, nuff said |
| 15:42.21 | tmthanh | hi all |
| 15:42.28 | scarynetworkguy | What does this phrase "non geek friends" mean? |
| 15:42.30 | Phated | Actually, winamp plays oggs without much else. |
| 15:42.32 | chugga | RichiH, ppl use windows media player these days |
| 15:42.41 | bmoore | lopuz: just create the device. Major 13, Minor 63 |
| 15:42.41 | grivell | scarynetworkguy: I have a Karma. It is excellent. But needs a Java interface for Linux. Not a big deal. iRiver is usb hd. |
| 15:42.46 | FieldySnuts | god, can we please get rid of this guy |
| 15:42.47 | rdancer | will LVM survive partition number shifting (hda9 -> hda10)? |
| 15:42.53 | paulswm | chugga: The purpose of this channel is to for debian users to help each other, so why don't you do the decent thing and ask a question, help, or just shut up |
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| 15:43.07 | FieldySnuts | guess the ops are sleepin, already did an @Ops |
| 15:43.09 | gradzac | yeah Rio Karma is very nice |
| 15:43.10 | scarynetworkguy | grivell: Coolness. |
| 15:43.11 | Phated | grivell: Oh, you couldn't have said that earlier, now my mom thinks I want a karma and not an iRiver. :) |
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| 15:43.21 | chugga | paulswm, im trying to help the guy by giving him information that you biased ogg fans wont |
| 15:43.29 | chromate | hello-- when configuring /etc/network/interfaces with multiple logical interfaces, is there a way to set up your mapping scheme so that if none of the networks you are looking for are found, the device just stops and does not continue trying to initialize? |
| 15:43.30 | asg | RichiH: we all had this argument days ago, chugga refuses to clue in non-geek friends and therefore lambastes anything that doesn't appear on a Start Menu by default. |
| 15:43.31 | rdancer | i just have created a new partition, the numbers shifted, and i wonder if i have to do something? |
| 15:43.36 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Tell her you changed your mind. :) |
| 15:43.37 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: he's just trolling. see the past 30 minutes. |
| 15:43.47 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: unfortunately we can't get the attention of the ops |
| 15:43.50 | grivell | Phated: lol. It is not a huge deal. Java interface is nice. But iRiver is easier to deal with. |
| 15:43.53 | RichiH | asg: expect someone to +q him shortly |
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| 15:43.55 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hell no, I'm not going to yell again. |
| 15:44.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Heh. |
| 15:44.05 | Phated | grivell: Exactly. USB foreva. :) |
| 15:44.05 | FieldySnuts | RichiH: i hope so, you know somethin we don't? |
| 15:44.06 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: I know, just one last attempt to get him to be nice |
| 15:44.09 | Shimonn | hi, i set an hostname and domainname during the install. how to change it ? |
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| 15:44.21 | asg | RichiH: nah, he's immune to such things apparently. Probably the pope in disguise. |
| 15:44.26 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 15:44.34 | Phated | Shimonn: hostname. |
| 15:44.40 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: blaireau chugga |
| 15:44.42 | ravenbird | chugga: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 15:44.47 | FieldySnuts | take that |
| 15:44.53 | Phated | Ah, come on, don't counter-troll. |
| 15:44.54 | Oswald | ok im apt getting abcde |
| 15:44.59 | Oswald | thanks guys! |
| 15:45.01 | grivell | chugga: Swallow your pills now please. Stop the trolling ;) |
| 15:45.03 | FieldySnuts | #knoppix +#mepis |
| 15:45.06 | FieldySnuts | that explains a lot. |
| 15:45.23 | chugga | grivell, im just giving my opinion on the file format? what is so trolling about that? |
| 15:45.40 | grivell | chugga: You gave it about 50 times. |
| 15:45.57 | hool | how do i get alsa working with my soundblaster audigy? |
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| 15:46.40 | gradzac | hool: read alsa's website |
| 15:46.42 | chugga | *sigh* ogg or die |
| 15:46.47 | chugga | later guys. |
| 15:46.54 | FieldySnuts | thanks for leaving |
| 15:47.13 | FieldySnuts | you're in a debian channel, what views did you expect? sheesh |
| 15:47.13 | gradzac | hehe....what is his problem. I use mp3 and ogg....whichever does what I need best |
| 15:47.46 | Phated | I dunno. My mp3's are the illegal ones. My oggs are the legal ones. How fitting. :) |
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| 15:47.55 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed. |
| 15:47.59 | FieldySnuts | heh. kind of counterracting karma |
| 15:48.02 | grivell | gradzac: Or do what people with 200 gb usb drives do, FLAC. Then make a script to go OGG or MP3 depending on who you are sending it to, or which device you feel like using. |
| 15:48.12 | Phated | "MP3 - Because Windows pirates don't have oggencode!" |
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| 15:48.27 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 15:48.29 | idnar | haha |
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| 15:48.36 | gradzac | grivell: yes...but I already have too much music encoded in other formats :) |
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| 15:49.58 | FieldySnuts | oi vey. very nice 300mM (35mM equiv of 600mm) telephoto lense for my new cam is almost us$1000 |
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| 15:50.23 | tarzeau | dpkg kurumin |
| 15:50.23 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 15:50.25 | FieldySnuts | wish i could try one first... |
| 15:50.31 | FieldySnuts | lol "go away" |
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| 15:50.41 | nitro03 | exit |
| 15:50.46 | grivell | gradzac: I rip mine from cd. Would be much easier if some service offered flac's. Never buy another cd again then. |
| 15:50.47 | FieldySnuts | wait! it's based on knoppix, so send him to #knoppix! that'll teach em |
| 15:50.52 | FieldySnuts | use their same reasoning :P |
| 15:51.06 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 15:51.06 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 15:51.33 | asuffield | oh, camera porn |
| 15:51.35 | gradzac | grivell: supposedly that is what Apple is doing with iTunes and their Apple Lossless format |
| 15:51.40 | FieldySnuts | nobody said that heh |
| 15:51.51 | Phated | Only asuffield. :) |
| 15:51.59 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 15:52.00 | FieldySnuts | though from what I understand, I could pull in a person 100+ feet away to full frame... god that'd be nice |
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| 15:52.07 | asuffield | I just call 'em like I see 'em |
| 15:52.11 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:52.22 | jetscreamer | dildocams |
| 15:52.25 | soften | I have two web sites that I am working on that would be best organized with the content as an outline. what simple content management systems are there for, say, php/mysql? |
| 15:52.26 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:52.40 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Sweet. |
| 15:52.47 | gradzac | soften: check out the wikis |
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| 15:53.16 | FieldySnuts | anyway.. |
| 15:53.42 | bactis | is there a console browser in debian? |
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| 15:53.45 | soften | gradzac, a wiki would do it, but I'd like something that manages the levels of outline automatically rather than my having to maintain links. |
| 15:53.49 | asg | bactis: links, lynx |
| 15:53.50 | vulture | bactis: yes, several |
| 15:53.52 | Phated | elinks, w3m, lynx. |
| 15:53.58 | Phated | Take your pick. But not lynx. |
| 15:53.59 | Phated | :) |
| 15:54.01 | bactis | ah thanks |
| 15:54.02 | jetscreamer | link2 for graphic? |
| 15:54.03 | bactis | :) |
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| 15:54.09 | jetscreamer | !info links2 |
| 15:54.13 | asg | soften: if you aren't adverse to python, try zope + plone. |
| 15:54.14 | dpkg | links2: (Web browser running in both graphics and text mode), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1pre16-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1960 kB, Installed size: 3136 kB |
| 15:54.18 | FieldySnuts | links2 can do x11 and framebuffer yes |
| 15:54.27 | Phated | Cool. |
| 15:54.36 | FieldySnuts | I think the only x11 browser faster than links2 is dillo. and links2 is a lot more useful. |
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| 15:55.10 | rdancer | soften: i mean, only traffic from/to specific IPs will be forwarded by the accesspoint, so that unauthorized hosts will be able to DoS, but that's all |
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| 15:55.43 | apfel | gphoto2 --auto-detect says "USB PTP Class Camera (Port: usb:001,008)" and I was able to access the pictures with gtkam (currently only as root) but I can't just mount it? I tried mount -t vfat /dev/sda (with a trailing 1 to 15) but none worked: mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device. Any ideas? |
| 15:55.49 | Phated | Man, dillo can't even do frames... |
| 15:55.55 | FieldySnuts | no, it's very, very basic |
| 15:56.03 | soften | rdancer, a scenario a friend of mine points out in response that is -- well they can set up a quake server and use our AP as its hub. |
| 15:56.05 | FieldySnuts | i'm old I miss the days before frames... |
| 15:56.20 | Phated | It's got a more advanced GUI than links2 but links2 is just... better. |
| 15:56.36 | FieldySnuts | links2 is just lightning, and i'm talking x11 mode here (links -g) |
| 15:56.36 | soften | so in short, you're right -- that locks down... ah, nm, you already left. |
| 15:56.37 | asuffield | dillo is for running on cellphones and shit |
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| 15:56.47 | FieldySnuts | no,t hey use java BS for that... |
| 15:56.58 | asuffield | and any similar device which can't support a real web browser |
| 15:56.59 | scarynetworkguy | links2 rules. It is a *sweet* tool for firewall testing. |
| 15:57.19 | soften | thanks asg and gradzac |
| 15:57.22 | grivell | gradzac: Apple lossless format? With DRM? cool :) Nah, I don't think I'll bite on that. I'll stick with their sexy hardware, but that is all. |
| 15:57.27 | Phated | FieldySnuts: I don't think we'd compare a non-x11 and an x11 browser... Actually, we could, since dillo just sucks more than any browser. Even lynx. |
| 15:58.07 | chugga | Phated, what the hell. dillo rocks. |
| 15:58.20 | Phated | Oh, not AGAIN. |
| 15:58.21 | vulture | Phated: dillo ownz j0. |
| 15:58.22 | FieldySnuts | and if it wasn't obvious he was a troll (thought he was leaving) |
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| 15:58.36 | Phated | vulture: Pish. |
| 15:58.43 | vulture | Phated: phfft. |
| 15:58.47 | FieldySnuts | @tease Phated |
| 15:58.52 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 15:58.59 | FieldySnuts | what the hell is rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 15:59.00 | einsteinmg | dillo is the default browser on grml *g* |
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| 15:59.34 | FieldySnuts | comeon rsync |
| 15:59.41 | FieldySnuts | guess i shouldn't have niced it to 10... |
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| 16:01.04 | Led_Zeppelin | are the 108Mbps Wireless Router/Wireless NIC card combination faster then 10/100 wired? |
| 16:01.05 | jetscreamer | how do you get dpkgthebot to show you the info blurb about a particular package? |
| 16:01.17 | jetscreamer | not info, not depends, but the description |
| 16:01.30 | Phated | jetscreamer: info? I don't think it shows more than that. |
| 16:01.45 | chugga | Led_Zeppelin, faster, how? they'll have more latency but higher throughput |
| 16:02.03 | Phated | jetscreamer: 'sides, don't get lazy, run apt-cache show on your own box.:) |
| 16:02.08 | Led_Zeppelin | chugga: really? more throughput then wired solution? |
| 16:02.16 | chugga | Led_Zeppelin, yeah |
| 16:02.18 | asuffield | Led_Zeppelin: not bloody likely |
| 16:02.21 | asg | jetscreamer: use 'apt-cache show <pkg>' in a terminal. |
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| 16:02.24 | grivell | chugga: no. |
| 16:02.31 | chugga | grivell, yes. |
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| 16:02.34 | grivell | chugga: wireless overhead kills the trhoughput |
| 16:02.40 | Led_Zeppelin | i though wired solution with full duplex can blow that out. |
| 16:02.48 | chugga | grivell, conceivably. thats subject to real world conditions :) |
| 16:02.57 | asuffield | Led_Zeppelin: you'll never see 108Mbit/sec outside a lab |
| 16:03.07 | asuffield | normally you see about 40-50 |
| 16:03.24 | chugga | grivell, think of a truck full of backup tapes, it might be slow to transfer data that way - but you can trasfer a shitload |
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| 16:03.53 | Led_Zeppelin | asuffield: i should just chill with my 11MbpS eh? heheh |
| 16:03.56 | asuffield | 100Mbit/sec ethernet usually manages about 70-80, unless your hardware sucks |
| 16:04.08 | Led_Zeppelin | 10/100 is very nice IMO. |
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| 16:04.16 | Phated | What's S? A kilosecond? :) |
| 16:04.18 | grivell | chugga: 108 mbit is the pipe. Now add wireless overhead, which is per packet. I think asuffield has it right. 40-50. |
| 16:04.24 | Phated | Or a secyte. |
| 16:04.33 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
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| 16:04.44 | asuffield | grigora: biggest loss is to poor signals |
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| 16:04.52 | asuffield | s/grigora/grivell/ |
| 16:05.00 | Led_Zeppelin | is data over power lines fast enough now? :-) |
| 16:05.00 | asuffield | obviously this build of xchat is fucked up again |
| 16:05.07 | lopuz | My usb optical mouse doesnt light. Why? |
| 16:05.08 | asuffield | Led_Zeppelin: no, it's pathetic |
| 16:05.13 | grivell | asuffield: or if 802.11b joins network ;) |
| 16:05.14 | thomas_adam | Nom, asuffield -- your typing sucks. |
| 16:05.19 | Phated | And you're using xchat why, asuffield? :) |
| 16:05.20 | Led_Zeppelin | lol |
| 16:05.21 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: use irssi like all good people. |
| 16:05.28 | asuffield | Phated: best of a bad bunch |
| 16:05.31 | Led_Zeppelin | xchat is not free for windows :-( |
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| 16:05.37 | chugga | agreed xchat is the ogg |
| 16:05.40 | Anynomous | I have a problem. I have an nvidia gfx card, and I want to use it with sarge. I cannot find the right package to install the driver though? |
| 16:05.40 | Phated | asuffield: irssi? |
| 16:05.47 | asuffield | I am not going to use a mouse-ignorant, smarter-than-thou client that fucks up mode strings |
| 16:06.00 | Anynomous | Led_Zeppelin : Only morons use windows anyhow ;-) |
| 16:06.02 | jetscreamer | !tell Anynomous about nvidia |
| 16:06.02 | scarynetworkguy | CLI forevva. |
| 16:06.03 | asuffield | irssi is just braindamaged. xchat at least knows enough to fuck the hell out of the command stream |
| 16:06.23 | thomas_adam | Who needs a mouse anyway? It's IRC - text all the way. |
| 16:06.25 | chugga | i dedicate this conversation to screen :) |
| 16:06.28 | Phated | What he said, |
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| 16:06.34 | Anynomous | thomas_adam : Well spoken! |
| 16:06.44 | chugga | how do you do copy paste? |
| 16:06.52 | Anynomous | chugga : You infidel! |
| 16:06.54 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: Can you run xchat in a screeen session and then ssh in use it from whereever you might be? |
| 16:06.57 | Phated | Hilight-middleclick? |
| 16:06.58 | jetscreamer | ctrl v/c/x |
| 16:07.05 | Anynomous | chugga : You use the /paste command of course! |
| 16:07.08 | Phated | Or hilight-rightclick, depending where I am. |
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| 16:07.10 | chugga | bah.. |
| 16:07.19 | Anynomous | Phated : Thats hard with no mouse. ;-) |
| 16:07.19 | chugga | you use a mouse, thats what :P |
| 16:07.19 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: no, why would I want to do that? screen doesn't support a mouse |
| 16:07.30 | thomas_adam | And if you babble at me about copy/paste -- use xclip(1) or use a plugin like I do, which shunts URLs to a location that dnotify(1) monitors and opens URLs on demand. |
| 16:07.33 | Phated | Anynomous: It's not my fault you don't have a mouse. |
| 16:07.39 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: I use my mouse in screen sessions all the time. |
| 16:07.49 | lopuz | What modules do i need to have an USB mouse? |
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| 16:08.02 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: you're just piddling with the terminal, not manipulating the application |
| 16:08.06 | bmoore | lopuz: modprobe mousedev |
| 16:08.07 | thomas_adam | lopuz: /msg dpkg usb-mouse |
| 16:08.07 | chugga | lopuz, you dont need a mouse. listen to #debian |
| 16:08.24 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: Yeah and your point is? |
| 16:08.28 | Phated | Now who the fuck said you didn't need a mouse? |
| 16:08.36 | Phated | Oh, wait, silly me, chugga of course. |
| 16:08.37 | asg | Phated: thomas_adam ;) |
| 16:08.43 | Anynomous | Phated : You don't. |
| 16:08.45 | soften | I use a mouse on systems that I sit in front of; no mouse on systems that I usually don't. |
| 16:08.52 | Anynomous | Phated : I prefer rats myself. |
| 16:08.58 | Phated | No, he uses a mouse, asg, whether he likes to admit it or not. :) |
| 16:09.02 | Anynomous | Phated : More flesh. |
| 16:09.03 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: I'm not going to use a mouse-ignorant client when I could use one which supports a mouse properly |
| 16:09.21 | asg | Phated: ah, secret midnight mousing |
| 16:09.24 | petemc | what part of irc needs a mouse? |
| 16:09.25 | Phated | Anynomous: Mice are more tender. I am not eating anything that isn't homebred. |
| 16:09.31 | Phated | Copy-paste urls. |
| 16:09.31 | chugga | !ratpoison |
| 16:09.32 | dpkg | it has been said that ratpoison is the window manager for people who don't like apps taking up any less than the entire screen; http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net for more info The WM with No Flashy Wank! |
| 16:09.36 | jethro | asg: where's the need for a mouse in an IRC client? |
| 16:09.37 | Anynomous | petemc : The moron part. |
| 16:09.53 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: *shrug* I mostly use X to get FF and the mouse as a way to point at terms. Don't see the point to most other GUI apps. |
| 16:09.54 | asuffield | the part where you select channels and users from a set |
| 16:09.58 | jethro | asuffield: ^^ even |
| 16:10.01 | thingfish | I would think you would want to dust the cleaned mice with a little flour and seasoning, and then probably fry them. |
| 16:10.14 | asg | jethro: there isn't but if asuffield feels more comfortable using one with xchat, more power to him. |
| 16:10.15 | thomas_adam | asuffield: You mean the part where you use /bind? Ah... :P |
| 16:10.19 | Phated | And copy-paste other channel's conversations to other channels for entertainment value. |
| 16:10.19 | Anynomous | asuffield : Are you as stupid as a flying fuck, or do you jsut pretend to be? |
| 16:10.26 | asg | hahaha |
| 16:10.26 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed. |
| 16:10.28 | jethro | asg: sorry I bothered you :) |
| 16:10.34 | asg | jethro: no bother. |
| 16:10.44 | asuffield | thomas_adam: there are 730 users in this channel. there are not 730 keys on your keyboard |
| 16:10.50 | Anynomous | Phated : Use the /paste command for that. |
| 16:10.54 | petemc | how stupid is a flying fuck? |
| 16:10.58 | asuffield | mice are vastly better at this task |
| 16:11.01 | Phated | Anynomous: Eh, back off. Just because you don't need or use a mouse doesn't mean other people can't use them. |
| 16:11.09 | thomas_adam | asuffield: To which you can also /alias -- but this is not #irssi. |
| 16:11.10 | chugga | petemc, stupider than a walking one? |
| 16:11.11 | soften | petemc, actually I think the more favorable term is "the mile high club" |
| 16:11.12 | Anynomous | petemc : Ask greycat .. he doesn't give them away. |
| 16:11.21 | asg | petemc: duck, you might get a faceful |
| 16:11.22 | lopuz | thomas_adam: do i need anything else. like hid support? |
| 16:11.27 | petemc | heh |
| 16:11.28 | Anynomous | Phated : I use a mouse all the time! |
| 16:11.28 | grivell | This irc client thing causes more chat than ogg/mp3. Can we go vi/emacs next? |
| 16:11.35 | Anynomous | Phated : Well, not all the time. |
| 16:11.36 | thomas_adam | lopuz: Do what the factoid tells you. |
| 16:11.38 | asuffield | thomas_adam: that would be rather silly, you'd have to type *more* to set up an alias |
| 16:11.43 | lopuz | ok |
| 16:11.45 | jethro | !start a editor war |
| 16:11.47 | Phated | Anynomous: But you don't need one! |
| 16:11.51 | thomas_adam | asuffield: Only once, since you then do /save |
| 16:11.53 | Phated | </snipe> |
| 16:11.54 | Anynomous | Phated : Thats true. |
| 16:12.00 | thomas_adam | asuffield: You can make it persistent, you know. :) |
| 16:12.09 | grivell | jethro: I'll start it. Kate is the one true editor. |
| 16:12.18 | Anynomous | Phated : Snipe? |
| 16:12.33 | asuffield | thomas_adam: why on earth would I want to do that? I rarely want to pick out a user more than once |
| 16:12.39 | Anynomous | grivell : Everybody knows the only real editor is ed! |
| 16:12.49 | FieldySnuts | @start an editor war |
| 16:12.51 | ravenbird | emacs bites |
| 16:12.54 | FieldySnuts | uh oh. |
| 16:12.54 | grivell | lol |
| 16:12.58 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 16:13.07 | soften | ed is for wussies. cat is the read editor. |
| 16:13.12 | grivell | sed |
| 16:13.22 | chugga | emacs is the best Editor |
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| 16:13.26 | Anynomous | soften : Hah .. cat is too bloated! |
| 16:13.28 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a browser war |
| 16:13.28 | nevyn | sigh. |
| 16:13.30 | ravenbird | * is more secure than squealing into a telephone |
| 16:13.33 | soften | :) |
| 16:13.36 | thomas_adam | asuffield: It's situation dependant, of course. You can aggregate functions/operations, and whatnot. |
| 16:13.36 | tyranix_ | What's the correct severity for a program that has unmet dependencies so you cannot install it? Grave? |
| 16:13.44 | nevyn | no. |
| 16:13.51 | scarynetworkguy | tyranix_: In what branch? |
| 16:13.51 | Anynomous | soften : Use /bin/echo ! |
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| 16:13.59 | tyranix_ | scarynetworkguy: sid |
| 16:14.00 | nevyn | tyranix_: important at most.. but probably standard |
| 16:14.03 | scarynetworkguy | tyranix_: Wait. |
| 16:14.16 | chugga | i installed IE in wine yesterday, without using any windows partitions |
| 16:14.19 | nevyn | tyranix_: grave is destroys user data. |
| 16:14.28 | Anynomous | chugga : And you admit that openly? |
| 16:14.32 | asuffield | thomas_adam: you'll never be able to select from a set of several hundred with a keyboard anywhere as quickly and easily as you can with a mouse |
| 16:14.40 | grivell | chugga: And why did you do that? Miss the adware? |
| 16:14.41 | asuffield | s/anywhere/anywhere near/ |
| 16:14.42 | tyranix_ | It seemed a little extreme but looking at the description of grave "makes the package in question unusable" ... I can't use it if I can't install it. |
| 16:14.43 | chugga | Anynomous, not too openly |
| 16:14.45 | thomas_adam | asuffield: I disagree. |
| 16:14.53 | asuffield | thomas_adam: this is one of the tasks mice were *invented* for |
| 16:14.53 | nevyn | asuffield: I dunno about that. |
| 16:14.56 | pif_ | chugga : can you run IE with only wine? |
| 16:15.02 | Anynomous | t chugga : Right .. only 727 people in here. :O) |
| 16:15.03 | chugga | grivell, the retards who made my router made its web interface only work correctly in IE - even though it runs linux |
| 16:15.09 | tyranix_ | scarynetworkguy: Wait for? |
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| 16:15.15 | chugga | pif, yes, its quite amazing. windows media player too |
| 16:15.19 | thomas_adam | asuffield: No. That's a *facet* of the operation of the mouse. |
| 16:15.21 | Phated | tyranix_: The dependency to b fixed. |
| 16:15.24 | Phated | Er be. |
| 16:15.25 | Anynomous | chugga : What about the turd how bought it? |
| 16:15.26 | grivell | chugga: Linksys ? Works in Konqy. |
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| 16:15.33 | pif_ | chugga : not crossover, plain wine? what version? |
| 16:15.35 | chugga | grigora, dlink |
| 16:15.45 | scarynetworkguy | tyranix_: It's sid odds are it will be fixed with a upload in the near future. |
| 16:15.46 | chugga | chugga, just wine cvs |
| 16:15.48 | asuffield | thomas_adam: eh? this *is* one of the tasks mice were invented for |
| 16:15.49 | Anynomous | chugga: Who. |
| 16:15.59 | nevyn | tyranix_: I'd be very hesitant about filing a grave bug at this point in time.. it's probably important. |
| 16:16.00 | grivell | Why is everyone calling me grigora |
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| 16:16.09 | asuffield | thomas_adam: keyboards are slow at selection from a large set. mice were invented to make it easier and faster |
| 16:16.11 | Anynomous | ok... back to fixing my problem. |
| 16:16.13 | chugga | i mean pif, Wine 20040914 |
| 16:16.20 | Anynomous | grivell : You look like grigora. |
| 16:16.26 | thingfish | grivell: tab completion. |
| 16:16.26 | dbron | hi all, I left an lvm volume unconfigured during an install, how do I go back to the install config tool for lvm? |
| 16:16.33 | grivell | thingfish: I know :) |
| 16:16.35 | dureyes | can someone suggest to me a very excellent cd and dvd recording application to use under gnome?? TIA |
| 16:16.36 | thomas_adam | asuffield: Although I've finished this dick-waving contest now. Suffice it to say, the choice is down to the individual. |
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| 16:16.51 | grivell | Anynomous: Must be my twin. |
| 16:16.54 | soften | the mouse was developed as a useful concept in 1969 at palo alto research center by xerox. selecting several hundred items at that time was un-heard of |
| 16:16.56 | FieldySnuts | heh dick-waving |
| 16:17.04 | asuffield | thomas_adam: sure, everybody can choose to do things the hard and slow way. that doesn't make it easier and faster |
| 16:17.07 | chugga | !ogg |
| 16:17.07 | dpkg | methinks ogg is a wrapper format, much like avi, which is designed to be streamable and accept a variety of multimedia codecs. It is patent free and open. Currently, the only widely used codec for Ogg is Vorbis, an audio codec; ask me about vorbis for more information. Some people have put DivX into ogg as well, apparently. See http://www.xiph.org or join #vorbis for details on the format. Ogg files generally end in .ogg, regardless of codec. |
| 16:17.13 | thomas_adam | asuffield: That's subjective. |
| 16:17.15 | asuffield | thomas_adam: that's quite irrelevant really |
| 16:17.24 | asuffield | thomas_adam: no. that's experimentally verifiable. |
| 16:17.29 | chugga | haha @ widely used |
| 16:17.38 | chugga | gotta love the delusion :) |
| 16:17.38 | tarzeau | sorry for the fucked up debian-faq-wiki |
| 16:17.43 | FieldySnuts | @ops chugga trolling over the past hour |
| 16:17.43 | Anynomous | WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? |
| 16:17.45 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: chugga trolling over the past hour |
| 16:17.46 | grivell | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.59 | chugga | FieldySnuts, relax. i was just checking to see if you were still alive :P |
| 16:18.43 | soften | @start an audio codec wa ... oh, I see you already got started :) |
| 16:18.48 | lopuz | thomas_adam: I have done as the bot said, but i still cant get the mouse to work |
| 16:19.01 | grivell | soften: muhaha |
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| 16:19.09 | Anynomous | WHY IN THE NAME OF LINUS DO I NEED SID SOURCES TO INSTALL nvidia drivers? (Sorry for shouting). |
| 16:19.10 | mirak | is there a way to mount iso in user mode ? |
| 16:19.17 | thomas_adam | asuffield: I feel sorry in a way. I mean, where's the proof that using the mouse is any *quicker* than the keyboard? I can type one command that might well then operate on any number of subsets of people in this channel. You'd still be left getting pissed, because your mouse got stuck. |
| 16:19.31 | soften | Anynomous, closed source drivers have nothing to do with the name of linus, I assure you |
| 16:19.31 | FieldySnuts | mirak: unless it's an entry in fstab with the user or users option, no |
| 16:19.33 | asuffield | thomas_adam: what? "stuck"? |
| 16:19.35 | asg | thomas_adam: it's application dependant really. |
| 16:19.45 | soften | he is much more neutral -- 'use what works' |
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| 16:19.52 | Anynomous | soften: Proprietary drivers. :-) |
| 16:19.57 | jetscreamer | actually, when you know your keyboard, kb is faster. |
| 16:20.05 | mirak | FieldySnuts: so nothing dynamical possible |
| 16:20.11 | asuffield | thomas_adam: as for "proof", there have been any number of studies showing performance of the mouse compared to the keyboard |
| 16:20.14 | thomas_adam | asg: I said that way ^^^ there. |
| 16:20.15 | asuffield | jetscreamer: no, that's simply not true |
| 16:20.20 | FieldySnuts | mirak: you need to be root, or what i said. end of story |
| 16:20.21 | Anynomous | soften: Heh .. actually he has a stronger opinion on proprietary drivers. :-) |
| 16:20.30 | asg | thomas_adam: ah, missed it. My mistake. |
| 16:20.33 | soften | i say closed-source instead of proprietary to acknowledge that though proprietary, they are freely available. but they're proprietary just the same. |
| 16:20.36 | asuffield | jetscreamer: feel free to try and use the gimp using only a keyboard |
| 16:21.14 | Anynomous | soften: Yeah .. they are. :) |
| 16:21.14 | jetscreamer | asuffield, in my experience, it is. there are some actions that can be quicker with a mouse, but not a long list of actions. |
| 16:21.16 | Anynomous | soften : Wether you have to pay for them or not, isn't relevant to me. |
| 16:21.18 | soften | I note that it's possible to load a module which taints the kernel, so he at least allows their existence. not a ringing endorsement, but neither a stinging condemnation |
| 16:21.18 | asuffield | jetscreamer: your experience is flawed. you've probably only been entering text-equivalent data |
| 16:21.29 | jetscreamer | asuffield, i didn't mean there is no place for a mouse, and lately i'm so lazy i have to have a mouse. |
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| 16:21.35 | soften | well, I just want to avoid saying "free" about a non-free product |
| 16:21.37 | Anynomous | soften : Yeah .. he allows them, but thats all. |
| 16:21.48 | FieldySnuts | screw the political correctness, call it what you want. |
| 16:21.49 | jetscreamer | asuffield, yeah there is that |
| 16:21.51 | asuffield | jetscreamer: there's a very wide range of things which are easier and faster with a mouse, ranging from large-set selection to analog input |
| 16:22.02 | jetscreamer | and that too |
| 16:22.08 | soften | he is against them, but "use what works" seems to be an excellent philosophy |
| 16:22.12 | Anynomous | soften : He refuses to include any ABI in the kernel, whatsoever. :-) |
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| 16:22.38 | Jooon | asuffield: isn't that the core of the argment here. some applications are highly tuned to do stuff with mouse, others with keyboard |
| 16:23.02 | asuffield | try browsing the web without using a mouse, for example. most non-trivial web pages are N-dimensional and thusly really need analog selection |
| 16:23.06 | Anynomous | soften : I use them .. not because I don't care wether they are taint my kernel, or are free software .. but because they work unlike everything else. |
| 16:23.21 | asuffield | Jooon: it's not really the application, it's the problem you're trying to solve |
| 16:23.31 | thomas_adam | asuffield: That's a poor choice. [e]links, lynx, and any of the mozilla-based browsers work without the mouse just fine. |
| 16:23.32 | soften | I use modules which taint my kernel. something I needed to get my parallel port scanner working. |
| 16:23.59 | chugga | thomas_adam, hitting tab a few hundred times? |
| 16:24.06 | thomas_adam | chugga: Indeed. |
| 16:24.06 | asg | chugga: /search |
| 16:24.09 | asuffield | thomas_adam: yaright. try browsing a complex site without using the mouse sometime |
| 16:24.19 | Jooon | asuffield: browsing is a really good example of a task tuned to a mouse. |
| 16:24.25 | thomas_adam | asuffield: Define "complex". |
| 16:24.39 | Phated | Slashdot. XD |
| 16:24.40 | asuffield | thomas_adam: www.dabs.com/uk is pretty complex |
| 16:24.59 | thomas_adam | asuffield: No, in your opinion, what constitutes a "complex" site? |
| 16:25.12 | asuffield | that does |
| 16:25.14 | soften | I use matrox video on this machine, which I use for development and desktop office/web/email. I have a multimedia machine which uses an ATI Rage. not the best but they work with free drivers. |
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| 16:25.31 | asuffield | first thing I had open that was complex |
| 16:25.57 | soften | though may I hasten to add, that the free driver I use on this machine is called "vesa" |
| 16:26.02 | mirak | FieldySnuts: maybe there is a way with lufs |
| 16:26.09 | chugga | what does debian mean? |
| 16:26.12 | FieldySnuts | mirak: i have no idea |
| 16:26.17 | Anynomous | Whoever gave me that dpkg-answer .. thanks! |
| 16:26.20 | thomas_adam | mirak: shfs. |
| 16:26.23 | chugga | !debian |
| 16:26.23 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 16:26.24 | asg | chugga: it's a contraction of Ian and Deborah |
| 16:26.37 | chugga | asg, ok. and what about gentoo? |
| 16:26.39 | mirak | thomas_adam: what ? |
| 16:26.43 | FieldySnuts | ask them? |
| 16:26.44 | asg | chugga: gentoo is a fat penguin |
| 16:26.51 | Anynomous | asg: How is Debra doing, and murdock? |
| 16:27.00 | asg | Anynomous: not a clue, I don't know them personally |
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| 16:27.13 | Bogdar | hiall |
| 16:27.26 | Bogdar | how could I test my video card in debian ? |
| 16:27.28 | Vladi1 | hi, how can i tell spamassassin to take all the messages i have in a folder are spam that it missed beofre? |
| 16:27.48 | asg | Vladi1: have you asked in #spamassassin? |
| 16:27.49 | Bogdar | I want to run heavy-load opengl test |
| 16:27.50 | thomas_adam | Vladi1: formail |
| 16:28.01 | Vladi1 | asg: nope |
| 16:28.06 | thomas_adam | Vladi1: Shunt it back through. |
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| 16:28.24 | Anynomous | Bogdar : Test? Try "glxinfo" |
| 16:28.28 | pif_ | chugga : any special config for wine? iesetup doesn't complete successfully for me... |
| 16:28.28 | Vladi1 | thomas_adam: is there a command line? i tried spamassassin -r < * but didnt work |
| 16:28.34 | Anynomous | Bogdar : glxgears |
| 16:28.35 | FieldySnuts | he means benchmark. no, glxgears is not a benchmark. |
| 16:28.44 | Anynomous | its not? |
| 16:28.47 | Anynomous | What then? |
| 16:28.53 | Bogdar | Anynomous, no, heavy load test. |
| 16:28.59 | FieldySnuts | no idea. ask any xfree or xorg dev, they will tell you it's not a benchmark |
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| 16:29.43 | Bogdar | FieldySnuts, no benchamrk, just very heavy load. For all nigth to be sure about overheat. It's 'second hand' card. |
| 16:30.04 | asg | dondelelcaro: fyi, if you didn't see the last wallop, lilo is looking for bot coders to do something *interesting* |
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| 16:31.00 | chugga | pif, sure, i can help you with that |
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| 16:31.24 | chugga | pif, http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/ |
| 16:31.52 | soften | with wine, you can run winamp? (ok, kidding) |
| 16:32.17 | chugga | pif, find this http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/files/wine-config-sidenet-1.8.1.tgz and download it then run ./setup |
| 16:32.18 | FieldySnuts | @fuck wine |
| 16:32.22 | FieldySnuts | (no need to emulate shittyness) |
| 16:32.31 | Anynomous | soften: Heh .. thank your God, that you got "(ok, kidding)" in that sentence. Otherwise I might have used strong words on you! ;-) |
| 16:32.34 | chugga | FieldySnuts, sometimes its out of necessity |
| 16:32.42 | FieldySnuts | uh huh. use that tired excuse. |
| 16:32.44 | asg | Bogdar: or foobillard |
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| 16:33.01 | chugga | FieldySnuts, you shouldnt have reported me as a troll, greycat already wanted to ban me :-/ |
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| 16:33.41 | asg | thomas_adam: I just want an original Moon Patrol coin-op |
| 16:33.43 | chugga | FieldySnuts, some sites arent written properly and you sometimes have to view them - then wine comes handy |
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| 16:36.19 | Inspiran | help! |
| 16:36.20 | Inspiran | :-) |
| 16:36.26 | Anynomous | !pleh |
| 16:36.31 | Anynomous | (-: |
| 16:36.45 | Inspiran | any idea when a new apache2 package will come available? |
| 16:36.53 | Inspiran | my last upgrade fucked up php |
| 16:37.00 | Anynomous | Inspiran : Yes. |
| 16:37.01 | asg | Inspiran: check the bts |
| 16:37.06 | Inspiran | bts? |
| 16:37.10 | asg | !bts |
| 16:37.10 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 16:37.35 | Anynomous | asg: Thats another quesiton I have .. how do I install querybts? |
| 16:37.37 | asg | Inspiran: when the bts says the package is fixed, check incoming.debian.org or wait 24 hours |
| 16:37.54 | Inspiran | aha |
| 16:37.55 | asg | Inspiran: or just get the previous working deb from snapshot.debian.net |
| 16:37.55 | Inspiran | this one: |
| 16:37.56 | Inspiran | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=294673 |
| 16:37.57 | chugga | i reported a bug the other day. it felt really warming :) im gonna miss this debian community - it felt almost like a family |
| 16:38.04 | asg | Inspiran: and read the sid faq as well. |
| 16:38.35 | asg | Anynomous: /msg dpkg querybts |
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| 16:39.13 | Inspiran | hmm |
| 16:39.25 | Inspiran | where should i see 'fixed' |
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| 16:39.39 | Inspiran | (on that page) |
| 16:39.49 | asg | Inspiran: the bottom of the bug should indicate a message saying, 'we belive your problem is fixed in blah package version ....' |
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| 16:40.10 | pif_ | chugga : thanks |
| 16:40.22 | Inspiran | damn |
| 16:40.24 | chugga | pif, welcome :) |
| 16:40.25 | Inspiran | still not ixed |
| 16:40.28 | Inspiran | fixed |
| 16:40.33 | Anynomous | It *has* become more easy to install nvidia driver? |
| 16:41.03 | Blissex | Anynomous: yes, and President Kerry has captured Osama. |
| 16:41.04 | Bogdar | Hmmm... I have Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" Is it normal with "nvidia" driver ? |
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| 16:41.09 | chugga | Anynomous, sure, you download a file and run it - it does most things for you |
| 16:41.10 | asg | Inspiran: then grab the previous one from snapshot.debian.net and dpkg -i it. |
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| 16:41.16 | tim | can anyone help?!!! My optical drive folders (/media/cdrom0 etc) keep disappearing on reboot |
| 16:41.20 | Anynomous | Blissex : Who is that? |
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| 16:41.46 | Inspiran | problem is that i have apache2-php5 package that requires apach2...-3 |
| 16:42.10 | Anynomous | Blissex : And what have they to do with nvidia drivers in debian? |
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| 16:42.12 | Inspiran | so i can't rever tto -2 |
| 16:42.17 | asg | Inspiran: well, you'll have to wait. |
| 16:42.43 | Inspiran | dammed :-( |
| 16:42.56 | Anynomous | Blissex : Well .. forces in Nasa are talking about creating global warming on Mars ..so you might just return. |
| 16:43.02 | Blissex | Anynomous: it was an attempt at answering your question with humour... |
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| 16:43.09 | Inspiran | asg: fix it! |
| 16:43.10 | Inspiran | :-) |
| 16:43.19 | tarzeau | i restored the frontpage of http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:43.19 | Anynomous | Blissex : THanks for trying. |
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| 16:43.23 | asg | Inspiran: or contact the person who packaged your php5 deb and ask them; we can't help with non-official packages really. |
| 16:43.24 | Anynomous | Blissex :) |
| 16:43.28 | asg | tarzeau: :) |
| 16:43.31 | tarzeau | and it's currently only write-by-me |
| 16:43.40 | Anynomous | tarzeau : frontpage is broken. |
| 16:43.43 | tarzeau | anyone who wants to be able to edit it, can request accounts from me |
| 16:43.43 | asg | tarzeau: probably a good thing |
| 16:43.47 | tarzeau | Anynomous: what's broken? |
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| 16:43.59 | tarzeau | asg: damn PENIS SEX SHEEP spammers |
| 16:43.59 | Inspiran | is it possible to force an old version of apache, even other requires newer versions? |
| 16:44.00 | asg | tarzeau: do you still have my old account info? |
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| 16:44.04 | Anynomous | tarzeau : frontpage - it generates html that breaks opera on purpose. |
| 16:44.09 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: How would one request a login? |
| 16:44.10 | asg | tarzeau: yeah |
| 16:44.16 | tarzeau | asg: i have no idea, probably, i only did it ro- add write suppport by me, fixed frontpage |
| 16:44.26 | chugga | Phated, are you from singapore? |
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| 16:44.37 | asg | tarzeau: okay, if you get a sec, add w support for my asg account. |
| 16:44.39 | Anynomous | chugga : Nah .. its a vanity host. :-P |
| 16:44.41 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: ask me here. but i'll only give it to people i know (that's greycat, asg, and those i know who contributed to it) |
| 16:44.43 | Phated | Yes, chugga. |
| 16:44.53 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Fair enough. |
| 16:44.54 | tarzeau | asg: okay, let me try |
| 16:44.57 | chugga | Phated, cool, i love that place. |
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| 16:45.20 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Do you consider me known? I did the nvidia bit on the old one. :) |
| 16:45.29 | frood | hey all |
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| 16:45.55 | chugga | hah, dont worry |
| 16:46.10 | chugga | im not going there anytime soon :P |
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| 16:46.18 | Phated | I sure don't want to live in a place -you- like. |
| 16:46.24 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: ahh yes i think so |
| 16:46.28 | tarzeau | asg: what was your account name? |
| 16:46.31 | asg | tarzeau: asg |
| 16:46.34 | tarzeau | caphuso: and yours? |
| 16:46.37 | tarzeau | asg: no capital letters? |
| 16:46.38 | stew | Phated: are you planning on staying in .sg after you graduate? |
| 16:46.41 | asg | tarzeau: nope |
| 16:46.46 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Coolness. I'd like to work on it if you would be so kind. |
| 16:46.55 | chugga | Phated, were just two guys on either side of ogg, it shouldnt stop us being friends |
| 16:46.59 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: your MoinUserName? |
| 16:47.09 | Anynomous | Phated : Is chugga your ex-spouse? |
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| 16:47.19 | Phated | chugga: We're just one guy now, thank you. |
| 16:47.20 | dvs | ha! |
| 16:47.22 | Inspiran | asg > is it possible to force an old version of apache, even other requires newer versions? |
| 16:47.36 | tarzeau | asg: can you try to login? |
| 16:47.46 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: scarynetworkguy? |
| 16:48.19 | asg | Inspiran: dpkg --force-help (beware though, your non-standard package is not guaranteed to work.) |
| 16:48.29 | frood | yeah, there's an article about that. |
| 16:48.31 | pif_ | chugga : did you run the sidenet install script as root? |
| 16:48.37 | frood | about using apache 1.4 rather than 2.x |
| 16:48.47 | frood | i'll try and find it if you like |
| 16:48.52 | chugga | pif, definitely not |
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| 16:49.16 | chugga | i dont trust microsoft code with Root :P |
| 16:49.19 | soften | what "sides?" ogg is a wrapper format for multimedia encoding. it doesn't have "sides" does it? |
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| 16:49.29 | asg | tarzeau: what's the login action to pass to the URL again? |
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| 16:51.00 | tarzeau | asg: let me find out |
| 16:51.11 | Phated | soften: Course it does. The side I'm on and the side chugga says he's on. |
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| 16:51.51 | pif_ | chugga : do you have a "wineboot" binary? |
| 16:51.51 | scarynetworkguy | soften: Some of us like it because it is good and free and free. Others don't like it for some reason. |
| 16:51.57 | tarzeau | asg: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/BenutzerEinstellungen?action=highlight&value=UserPreferences |
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| 16:52.11 | soften | Well, I'm on the side that acknowledges that ogg is a multimedia wrapper format. |
| 16:52.17 | chugga | pif, hmm, in my wine distribution? |
| 16:52.21 | pif_ | yes |
| 16:52.23 | chugga | pif, ,yes, i do |
| 16:52.34 | pif_ | to what package does it belong? |
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| 16:52.43 | soften | personally I like it because it's free and it works and, I also like vorbis because it's free and it works |
| 16:52.44 | chugga | im not sure |
| 16:52.52 | pif_ | dpkg -S wineboot |
| 16:52.52 | dpkg | Badgers ate my wineboot! |
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| 16:53.24 | chugga | pif, wine-utils |
| 16:53.58 | pif_ | ok |
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| 16:54.19 | soften | there are really anti-ogg people? |
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| 16:54.38 | dvs | soften: Besides Microsoft and Apple? |
| 16:54.50 | Phated | And chugga. |
| 16:54.51 | chugga | soften, sadly, yes for practical reasons |
| 16:54.52 | soften | dvs, I meant, are there really responsible anti-ogg positions? |
| 16:55.09 | Phated | soften: Sure there are. Microsoft is -responsible- for WMP not handling ogg. :) |
| 16:55.35 | soften | I listen to ogg files in wmp from time to time on my laptop. didn't know it was an issue. |
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| 16:56.02 | chugga | soften, you probably have some library installed that most people dont |
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| 16:56.28 | grivell | soften: No practical reasons for being anti-ogg. Other than short tunnel vision of "here is the standard patent codec you must use because it has always been used". |
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| 16:57.13 | soften | chugga, I installed one of the large codec bundles sometime in the past. codec are dependencies, many softwares and formats have dependencies. |
| 16:57.41 | grivell | chugga: Are you against OpenOffice too? |
| 16:57.45 | chugga | soften, that is true, but most people just play mp3s |
| 16:57.49 | chugga | or dvds |
| 16:58.06 | Anynomous | grivell : OpenOffice has fallen into the Java-trap - no? |
| 16:58.08 | chugga | grivell, no, openoffice is really cool, but a bit slow :) |
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| 16:58.20 | asg | tarzeau: I'm logged in but it still won't allow me to edit the frontpage |
| 16:58.29 | tarzeau | asg: ok let me try once more |
| 16:58.39 | soften | chugga, haven't really done a survey to see what most people do overall. in my experience most wmp users scratch their heads clueless and play music from acrylic discs. |
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| 16:58.49 | tarzeau | asg: can you retry please? |
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| 16:58.53 | lopuz | XDM authorization key matches an existing client. Connection refused. Why does this come up when i am starting firefox? |
| 16:58.58 | phiip | never underestimate the love between a man and a ham |
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| 16:59.02 | phiip | sorry, wrong window |
| 16:59.08 | asg | tarzeau: cool, works |
| 16:59.31 | grivell | phiip: You mean, their is a right window for that? |
| 16:59.39 | tarzeau | asg: COOL! i can add the rest very simple too, then |
| 16:59.46 | asg | tarzeau: excellent |
| 16:59.50 | soften | ogg isn't a mainstream format, but that doesn't make it bad. it didn't hurt the fringe, proprietary, almost completley unsupported mp3 format some years back. |
| 17:00.02 | soften | being non-mainstream I mean. |
| 17:00.08 | tarzeau | asg: brilliant |
| 17:00.19 | phiip | grivell, i was speaking to someone about the beauty of meat products |
| 17:00.36 | Phated | You can eat them, cook them, cook them -and- eat them... |
| 17:00.43 | Phated | What's more to say? Meat is good. |
| 17:00.47 | grivell | lol |
| 17:01.32 | phiip | Phated, sometimes they don't need to be cooked .. .like ham |
| 17:01.38 | Phated | phiip: And I didn't even see your thing about a man and a ham... Kind of makes me wish I hadn't said the above now. :) |
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| 17:01.41 | phiip | hence it's tremendous beauty |
| 17:01.46 | chugga | soften, mp3 is really entrenched right now - use ogg and you are restricted, perhaps less than using mp3s would restrict your Freedom or something |
| 17:01.47 | Phated | phiip: I know, thus "You can eat them". |
| 17:01.58 | Phated | phiip: BEsides, hams are technically cooked. |
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| 17:02.11 | asg | Phated: raw pig would be nasty |
| 17:02.15 | phiip | Phated, yes, my point exactly |
| 17:02.24 | Phated | asg: You ain't never tried one, have you. |
| 17:02.33 | Phated | phiip: Meatlover, eh. :) |
| 17:02.33 | phiip | asg, yes, a man can admire raw pork, but should never love it |
| 17:02.34 | soften | chugga, as I just simply and succinctly explained, mp3 started out the same way and it doesn't seem to have affected its acceptance or success. |
| 17:02.37 | phiip | he may even respect it |
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| 17:02.53 | thingfish | now you guys have me craving prosciutto or westphalian ham. |
| 17:02.55 | asg | Phated: no, the last time I ate ham was before I had to dig a tumor out of one before selling it to a customer. |
| 17:02.57 | grivell | chugga: What am I restricted from doing with ogg? Playing on portable device? No I buy ogg capable players. Playing on PC or ppc? nope. hmm. Weird, nothing is restricted. |
| 17:02.57 | soften | it's possible to prepare and serve raw pig and make it delicious. |
| 17:02.58 | Phated | A woman, however, is safe in loving any and all forms of pork, raw or not. |
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| 17:02.58 | RedPenguin | I don't understand this |
| 17:03.02 | ulisses | hi all |
| 17:03.06 | chugga | soften, that involved a change in medium, not format. its a totally different issue |
| 17:03.09 | RedPenguin | I have installed Apache and my server works nicely |
| 17:03.13 | ulisses | anybody using swsuspend2 ? |
| 17:03.15 | phiip | Phated, i disagree. One can never really love a fat chick |
| 17:03.17 | RedPenguin | If I just type in my web server I see a Debian place holder |
| 17:03.24 | RedPenguin | If I add index.html I actually see my pages |
| 17:03.37 | soften | chugga, the move from waveform/uncompressed audio files to mp3 compressed files was not one of "medium" here on planet earth. |
| 17:03.39 | RedPenguin | Why doesn't just my webserver name without index.html work? |
| 17:03.39 | chugga | grivell, music is meant to be shared, isnt it? and i dont mean that in some p2p sense, i mean sharing it with your friends, family and what have you |
| 17:03.42 | Phated | phiip: I -was- talking about the meat product. I sincerely hope you don't eat girls. |
| 17:03.47 | ulisses | I have installed it but I have a question on how X-server should be resumed |
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| 17:03.53 | phiip | RedPenguin, i take it you haven't examined the httpd.conf? |
| 17:04.00 | RedPenguin | I have |
| 17:04.04 | phiip | Phated, i do, but not in a literal way |
| 17:04.06 | tarzeau | peterS: there? can you update your mirror too please? remove 0.2, 0.5, 0.9.4, and put 0.9.4.2 there: http://gnustep.ethz.ch/pub/gnustep/ |
| 17:04.07 | grivell | chugga: And ogg's play anywhere. |
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| 17:04.08 | RedPenguin | And index.html is a DirectoryInex |
| 17:04.12 | RedPenguin | *Index |
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| 17:04.15 | stew | RedPenguin: is it cached? try shift-refresh, or restart your browser |
| 17:04.17 | chugga | soften, if you are gonna be pedantic fine, but hard disks and internet pipes constitute a medium of some kind |
| 17:04.22 | ulisses | afer resume I get the login and not the desktop as of it's shutdown state |
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| 17:04.40 | AKX | Is there an utility to read .deb files on Windows? |
| 17:04.41 | ulisses | is this the supossed behaviour? I didn't found the answer to this in the wiki/faq/howto |
| 17:04.54 | soften | ok, I see what you guys are talking about. thanks for the explanation, and thanks go out to chugga for the splendid example and illustrations. |
| 17:04.55 | Phated | phiip: Well, fair enough. I will, however, issue a restriction to this conversation, ie, we only talk about beef, pork, and chicken. |
| 17:05.03 | Phated | phiip: And, well, fish, but that doesn't count. |
| 17:05.04 | RedPenguin | The shift refresh thing worked |
| 17:05.12 | phiip | Phated, agreed |
| 17:05.12 | chugga | grivell, sure, fi you remember to bundle a player/codec with your music collection, but the same could be said for almost any format, no? |
| 17:05.18 | RedPenguin | Never heard of Shift Refresh before though |
| 17:05.20 | thingfish | darn, I like game. |
| 17:05.23 | phiip | Phated, ah the relationship between man and fish is complex |
| 17:05.35 | phiip | Phated, we should, perhaps, leave that to another time |
| 17:05.41 | Phated | phiip: I did a couple of fairly good fish fillets last night. My mom liked them. |
| 17:05.50 | phiip | Phated, what kind of fish? |
| 17:05.56 | paulswm | And lamb. |
| 17:05.58 | RedPenguin | Now I just have to wonder why the hell my router is blocking port 80 even if I forward it to the machine and even DMZ the machine |
| 17:06.04 | thingfish | lamb is good |
| 17:06.09 | Phated | phiip: Red grouper. |
| 17:06.11 | RedPenguin | It has block WAN requests on, but it only seems to block port 80 |
| 17:06.13 | RedPenguin | And that is it |
| 17:06.14 | chugga | RedPenguin, its probably your ISP. |
| 17:06.25 | RedPenguin | I called my ISP, and for sure they don't block 80 |
| 17:06.28 | soften | first you freeze the pork, around zero degrees, for a few weeks to kill any harmful pathogens, if you suspect that any exist. then, you marinate the raw pork in salt and seasonings and water and sugar. then you dry the pork at low temperature until it's only slightly pliable and cracks appear when you try to bend the pieces. |
| 17:06.33 | phiip | Phated, nice choice |
| 17:06.37 | soften | presto, delicious raw pork. |
| 17:06.40 | RedPenguin | I know for a fact because I had a web server working on port 80 like a couple of days ago |
| 17:06.40 | Phated | phiip: Aye. |
| 17:06.43 | RedPenguin | And long before that |
| 17:06.50 | Phated | Man, you can't kill pathogens with cold... |
| 17:06.53 | chugga | RedPenguin, check, http://www.canyouseeme.org/ |
| 17:07.04 | Anynomous | Phated : Don't you value human life? |
| 17:07.04 | soften | known commonly as "pork jerky" |
| 17:07.06 | Phated | Well, cold -enough-, you can, but does 0 degC cut it? |
| 17:07.15 | Phated | Anynomous: Not really. |
| 17:07.21 | scarynetworkguy | No it would not. |
| 17:07.37 | grivell | chugga: This is getting fairly obtuse now. You can play ogg's anywhere. It's not a big deal. I don't see your issue. And glad nobody else does ;) |
| 17:07.53 | Anynomous | Phated : You don't value human life? |
| 17:07.53 | FieldySnuts | grivell: he's been trolling on and off about it for the past nearly 2 hours now. ignore him |
| 17:07.58 | RedPenguin | Can you see me gets |
| 17:07.59 | RedPenguin | "Reason: Connection timed out" |
| 17:08.01 | Phated | Anynomous: Not really. |
| 17:08.07 | soften | sorry, i forget that I live in the only country that doesn't use a reasonable temperature scale. zero degrees F is much colder than zero C. zero C is NOT cold enough. |
| 17:08.09 | Anynomous | Phated : How come? |
| 17:08.18 | RedPenguin | Oh no wonder |
| 17:08.19 | grivell | FieldySnuts: Yeah I keep getting trapped. |
| 17:08.24 | Phated | soften: Ahhh, thank you for the clarification. 0 degF is fine. |
| 17:08.25 | chugga | grivell, its fairly acute actually. you guys are willing to sacrifice reality in the sake of defending a philsophical choice |
| 17:08.25 | RedPenguin | It is trying to use 192.168.1.101 for the IP |
| 17:08.29 | Phated | Anynomous: #debian. |
| 17:08.34 | phiip | Anynomous, because he loves fish and ham |
| 17:08.53 | Phated | phiip: She, if you mean me. |
| 17:09.02 | phiip | Phated, apologies |
| 17:09.08 | Phated | And I love beef too, thank you. |
| 17:09.16 | phiip | Phated, oh, don't get me started on beef |
| 17:09.17 | chugga | RedPenguin, well thats negative, but what kind? |
| 17:09.23 | grivell | Phated: What about pizza? With meat sauce. |
| 17:09.24 | Anynomous | phiip : You were trying to be funny? |
| 17:09.25 | Phated | phiip: Oh, go on. |
| 17:09.27 | phiip | Phated, i am particularly enamoured of it |
| 17:09.33 | phiip | Anynomous, not at all |
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| 17:09.42 | RedPenguin | It is odd |
| 17:09.46 | RedPenguin | When I first load the page |
| 17:09.53 | Phated | grivell: I eat two types of pizza, and two types only. Cheese Supreme, with extra cheese, and hawaiian, again with extra cheese. |
| 17:09.53 | RedPenguin | It gets my external IP |
| 17:09.57 | stego | what are all these /tmp/,ICE-unix entries? I often see errors to do with ICE and have no idea what they are. |
| 17:09.57 | RedPenguin | But after typing in a port |
| 17:09.57 | thingfish | fish and ham actually go well together. There's a Chinese dish where you slice a pomfret and stick slices of ham in the cuts and then steam the whole thing. |
| 17:09.59 | phiip | Phated, if it gets below 30C soon i'll make some roast beef |
| 17:10.01 | RedPenguin | It gets my LAN IP |
| 17:10.04 | soften | beef, ham, -- in short, I like to eat most dead animals. subject to social custom, though there are some animals I don't have social problems with that others shy away from. |
| 17:10.06 | RedPenguin | And tries to use it |
| 17:10.06 | Anynomous | Phated : You are very cynical. |
| 17:10.09 | Phated | phiip: Oh, aye. Steak was the greatest invention of man. |
| 17:10.21 | Phated | Anynomous: I've been told. Repeating it won't help to stop it. |
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| 17:10.23 | phiip | soften, horse? |
| 17:10.29 | thingfish | soften: me too, I've eaten quite a few things most westerners shy away from. |
| 17:10.30 | soften | phiip, yummy. |
| 17:10.38 | Phated | thingfish: Offal, I presume. |
| 17:10.39 | phiip | thingfish, hmm sounds good |
| 17:10.41 | scarynetworkguy | Mmmmmmmmmmm, steak. |
| 17:10.50 | phiip | soften, as you said, it's subject to social custom |
| 17:10.52 | Phated | Offal is surprisingly delicious. |
| 17:10.56 | scarynetworkguy | Offal good. |
| 17:10.58 | phiip | soften, the french love it |
| 17:10.59 | soften | "there's room for all God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatos" |
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| 17:11.07 | phiip | Phated, i've never tried it .... |
| 17:11.10 | scarynetworkguy | thingfish: You should get a copy of Anthony Bourdains book. |
| 17:11.12 | phiip | lol soften |
| 17:11.24 | Anynomous | OK :: I have tried to install an nvidia kernel, and restarting GDM, the display looks strange. |
| 17:11.26 | RedPenguin | Squid tells me connection refused |
| 17:11.27 | Phated | phiip: Go to some kind of Chinese place sometime. I love the stuff, but then again, I do live in an Asian country. :) |
| 17:11.29 | burd | what kernel is installed by default from the weekly sarge images? |
| 17:11.30 | thingfish | hehe offal. actually, yes, some organ meats. but mainly things like sea cucumber, squid, squirrel, etc. |
| 17:11.37 | Phated | burd: 2.4.27, I think. |
| 17:11.39 | RedPenguin | Is there a tool to find out exactly if it is my router or ISP? |
| 17:11.42 | Phated | Pft, sea cucumber. |
| 17:11.55 | AKX | Hey... How can I open dpkg files on Windows? |
| 17:11.59 | Phated | What's wrong with squid, anyway? You all eat calamaru, don't you? |
| 17:12.03 | Phated | calamri. |
| 17:12.05 | thingfish | my dad used to bring home squirrel and rabbit a lot. |
| 17:12.08 | FieldySnuts | if you don't know your isp, you have bigger problems than can be solved here. as far as your route, route -n |
| 17:12.08 | Rawplayer | lol AKX why do you want that? |
| 17:12.09 | AKX | Er, deb files, that is. |
| 17:12.09 | scarynetworkguy | Of course. |
| 17:12.10 | Phated | Argh, calamari. |
| 17:12.13 | burd | does anyone know of an installer that will install the 2.6 kernel by default? |
| 17:12.19 | AKX | Because I want the finnish dictionaries, for example |
| 17:12.25 | AKX | Or fortunes. |
| 17:12.25 | FieldySnuts | as for squid refusing connections, check your acl's (no i'm not gonna explain it) |
| 17:12.29 | phiip | Phated, squid is ok, when it's cooked properly |
| 17:12.36 | paulswm | burd: the sarge installer, linux26 |
| 17:12.45 | Phated | phiip: Squid is brilliant, especially when calamari-ed. |
| 17:12.53 | chugga | soften, grivell i respect that you might choose to use a format for Freedom - thats fine and very cool. But what isnt cool is the attitude that is no downside to using ogg over mp3 in the real world - when theres plenty of difficulties involved |
| 17:12.57 | burd | tyvm |
| 17:12.59 | Phated | phiip: Otherwise, it's open to discussion. |
| 17:13.04 | tzafrir_laptop | burd, why would you need that? |
| 17:13.06 | bbrazil | AKX: try 7zip, I think it does them |
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| 17:13.16 | RedPenguin | Maybe it was because of Block WAN Request |
| 17:13.22 | RedPenguin | Because it seems to be working now |
| 17:13.22 | AKX | bbrazil: thanks, I'll try it |
| 17:13.23 | paulswm | burd: I mean type linux26 at the installer boot prompt, and yw :) |
| 17:13.29 | RedPenguin | Odd since I had a web server working with it before |
| 17:13.34 | phiip | Phated, next time i'm in singapore we should have a meal together |
| 17:13.41 | soften | chugga, please stop talking to me. you are ascribing a position to me that does not exist. I decline to participate. |
| 17:13.45 | Phated | phiip: Done deal. When's good for you? :) |
| 17:13.47 | thingfish | I love squid. my italian relatives make a casserole with a bunch of them stuffed with their tentacles and some bread type stuff, covered with red sauce and baked for a long time. |
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| 17:13.57 | tzafrir_laptop | btw: can 7zip be built for linux? |
| 17:13.58 | Phated | Sounds good. |
| 17:14.06 | thingfish | oh it is |
| 17:14.19 | Phated | Cool. |
| 17:14.21 | nolf | could someone tell mehow to enable java support in firefox |
| 17:14.23 | thingfish | they get real tender |
| 17:14.29 | phiip | Phated, heh, i only just finished holidays ... but i hope to get away again soon |
| 17:14.31 | AKX | bbrazil: thanks!! it works |
| 17:14.37 | Anynomous | nolf: Yeah .. they could |
| 17:14.39 | Phated | Get the recipe for the "bread stuff", and we'll see about making it, thingfish. |
| 17:14.40 | tyranix_ | tzafrir_laptop: In experimental, there is a package for p7zip (command line version). 7zip itself is windows only. |
| 17:14.45 | Phated | phiip: Hah, brilliant. :) |
| 17:14.46 | bbrazil | tzafrir_laptop: why would you need it? try ark maybe... |
| 17:14.48 | paulswm | soften: chugga did the same to me referring to me as an ogg person when I've never had an ogg file on any of my boxes |
| 17:14.57 | thingfish | Phated: ok, I'll see if my mom can get me the recipe. |
| 17:14.59 | Anynomous | nolf: You could also read the instructions either at the mozilla site, or at suns site. |
| 17:15.00 | Phated | paulswm: Never? |
| 17:15.12 | Anynomous | !java |
| 17:15.12 | Phated | thingfish: Thank you. Put it up somewhere. Squid fans will thank you. |
| 17:15.12 | dpkg | somebody said java was a platform independent OO language. People usually associate Java with eye-candy applets, this is in fact a relatively weak use of Java. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere |
| 17:15.18 | thingfish | hehe |
| 17:15.22 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed we will. |
| 17:15.31 | paulswm | Phated: wel, not knowingly, unless there's one in an install somewhere, I don't use my PCs for music |
| 17:15.35 | nolf | anynomous: the instructions are too vague for debian users |
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| 17:15.38 | Phated | paulswm: Oh, fair enough then. |
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| 17:15.43 | alex323 | If you have a pppoe connection, do you need dhclient? |
| 17:15.44 | stego | nolan, /msg dpkg mozilla-java |
| 17:15.48 | stego | nolf, too. |
| 17:15.57 | Anynomous | nolf : Take it from one who got it working. No. |
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| 17:16.21 | Anynomous | nolf: I will try to spare you from my opinion on the quality of your statements. |
| 17:16.32 | Phated | And he calls me cynical. |
| 17:16.40 | stego | nolf, or /msg dpkg firefox java |
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| 17:16.51 | nolf | well sir i am a novice so plz... |
| 17:16.56 | alex323 | Anynomous: If you have a pppoe connection, do you need dhclient? |
| 17:16.57 | Anynomous | Phated : Well, I have respect for human life. |
| 17:17.01 | soften | postscript is to ghostscript as java is to ... what? |
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| 17:17.04 | burd | oh speakin of java.. I installed the sun jre.. there's a problem though because kaffe already has a java binary in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin not sure.. anyhow has anyone worked around this so the sun java executable is accessible by users? |
| 17:17.10 | Anynomous | nolf: Debian is not really for novices. Try Ubuntu. |
| 17:17.10 | phiip | Anynomous, i bet you get accused of pendantry a fair bit, no? |
| 17:17.15 | thingfish | hehe |
| 17:17.16 | chugga | burd, yeah, avoiding java? |
| 17:17.17 | Phated | Anynomous: That has nothing to do with cynicism. |
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| 17:17.20 | soften | wouldn't it be nice if some groups fills in that blank. |
| 17:17.26 | Anynomous | phiip : Is that a bad thing? |
| 17:17.31 | Phated | Oh, come on, you can use Debian as a novice! |
| 17:17.32 | nolf | anynomous: if i leave it then i wouldn't learn it |
| 17:17.33 | phiip | Anynomous, hmm, i recommend debian for novices |
| 17:17.34 | gradzac | there is a package that takes Sun's JRE and packages it for debian |
| 17:17.39 | burd | chugga: now that doesn't answer anything but who's a smartass |
| 17:17.49 | chugga | burd, ok |
| 17:17.51 | Anynomous | Phated : Yes and no. |
| 17:18.10 | Phated | burd: You could add the path of the Sun JRE to their paths. |
| 17:18.14 | phiip | Anynomous, but i confess i haven't used debian in some time |
| 17:18.18 | chugga | burd, but it is a workaround for some of us :) |
| 17:18.29 | phiip | Anynomous, slap me, but i use freebsd exclusively now |
| 17:18.44 | chugga | phiip, should you be admitting that in here? :-/ |
| 17:18.49 | burd | Phated: but the jre executable is "java and there is already a 'java" in their path |
| 17:19.02 | gradzac | burd: remove kaffe |
| 17:19.18 | Phated | burd: Oh, I see... Well... I dunno, then. Remove kaffe, as gradzac suggested. |
| 17:19.22 | burd | gradzac: will that have any effect on KDE |
| 17:19.26 | Anynomous | Phated : I just installed the nvidia thing - but it didn't work. |
| 17:19.32 | gradzac | works for me! :) |
| 17:19.51 | phiip | chugga, why not? |
| 17:19.53 | Anynomous | Phated : I have a very old card here. Diamond viper v550 |
| 17:20.05 | phiip | chugga, people surely aren't petty in here |
| 17:20.10 | Anynomous | Phated : The screen goes all strange. |
| 17:20.11 | gradzac | seriously though...there is a debian package that will package the JRE and take care of the links for you...I just can't remember its name right now |
| 17:20.12 | Phated | Anynomous: Eh? |
| 17:20.22 | Anynomous | Phated : I am going with the "nv" driver instead now. |
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| 17:20.32 | soften | you can search through the packages at apt-get.org and find a nice prepackaged java |
| 17:20.37 | burd | hmmm never knew that |
| 17:20.42 | Phated | Anynomous: Er... so? |
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| 17:20.46 | Anynomous | Phated : So yes, in some cases novice can use debian .. other times its hard. |
| 17:20.56 | Anynomous | Phated : Well .. the free driver sucks. |
| 17:21.19 | chugga | phiip, well when it comes to sound formats, i wouldnt be so sure |
| 17:21.23 | tyranix_ | burd: Are you sure kaffe is /usr/bin/java? On my system (with kaffe, sablevm etc), /usr/bin/java is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/java which is a symlink to /usr/bin/java-sablevm. It would seem that you could add /usr/bin/java-sunjre and then set the /etc/alternatives/java symlink. |
| 17:21.48 | gradzac | burd: try java-package |
| 17:21.52 | Phated | I don't see how difficulty of installing one driver, one old hardware, will make Debian harder to use for novices. |
| 17:21.52 | mumeon | are u linux gurus in here? |
| 17:21.52 | chugga | free driver for nvidia? i dont think it sucks at all .. i was using it fine for a week or two |
| 17:21.53 | burd | tyranix.. yah your right |
| 17:22.05 | Phated | The nv driver works fine for my purposes. |
| 17:22.09 | phiip | chugga, you hate mp3 and love ogg? |
| 17:22.10 | chugga | same here phaethon_ |
| 17:22.21 | burd | i wouldn't even care about java but I have a daemon we use that uses the sun jre |
| 17:22.23 | chugga | phiip, i wish, that'd not get me kicked out of #debian |
| 17:22.57 | Anynomous | Phated : Without that driver .. you have no decent 3d-graphics ... most novices are focused on what they can see. Otherwise they're tempted to dualboot into a legacy operating system. |
| 17:23.19 | phiip | chugga, what did get you kicked, my fellow australian .. fellow perthite maybe even |
| 17:23.24 | Phated | Again, I don't see why I care. They all seem to have gforces anyway. |
| 17:23.36 | Anynomous | Phated : Then you don't exploid the card much. |
| 17:23.47 | Phated | I'm not some gamer chick. |
| 17:23.53 | chugga | phiip, oh ive been reported as a troll, i think i'll be banned soon enough. and yes, perthite :) |
| 17:23.54 | Anynomous | Phated : Exactly. |
| 17:23.57 | Phated | I don't need to "exploit" a card. |
| 17:24.18 | Feiten | When iam typing ps x i see a prosess i just ran, now its in background. how can i pick it up? |
| 17:24.23 | Anynomous | Phated : I am sure you're ok. But most novices wants to exploid their expensive gfx-cards. |
| 17:24.41 | stew | Feiten: does it show up when you type jobs? |
| 17:24.53 | chugga | Anynomous, i sure most of those will happily dual boot into window anyway |
| 17:25.01 | Phated | Anynomous: As you said. You have old hardware. Novices can fucking well learn, can't they. If they can't, then I'm sorry, they're not novices, they're idiots. |
| 17:25.06 | Feiten | stew: No it just here: 1743 pts/0 S 0:02 apt-get -f install |
| 17:25.13 | phiip | chugga, well living in perth you should never be banned from anywhere, ever .. unless you are from the eastern suburbs |
| 17:25.14 | scarynetworkguy | Amen. |
| 17:25.20 | burd | I'm no tmuch of a gamer anymore but the gaming graphics and kickin screensavers and multi-monitor support are excellent with the nvidia drivers |
| 17:25.35 | stew | Feiten: you can only foreground that application from pts/0, it needs to show up when you type jobs |
| 17:25.39 | chugga | phiip, lucky for me then :P |
| 17:25.44 | phiip | chugga, whew |
| 17:25.57 | Feiten | stew: So i need to kill it? And then run it again? |
| 17:26.22 | Phated | How does apt-get -f install get backgrounded, anyway? |
| 17:26.28 | stew | Feiten: that would work as well |
| 17:26.33 | stew | Feiten: you should look into using screen |
| 17:26.43 | scarynetworkguy | Pilot error. |
| 17:26.45 | Feiten | Phated: I had to make a new user. |
| 17:26.50 | Feiten | stew: i know :p |
| 17:26.59 | Phated | Feiten: So you ctrl-z' ed it? |
| 17:27.08 | Feiten | No |
| 17:27.28 | Phated | I truly am not getting it, but nevermind. You can just kill it and restart it... |
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| 17:28.21 | Anynomous | Phated : This is why I advised our "novice" to explore the documentation given on the net. |
| 17:28.58 | Phated | Anynomous: You did, also, however, say, explicitly, that "Debian is not for novices". |
| 17:29.03 | Phated | That wasn't advising. |
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| 17:29.41 | soften | debian is linux, a very polished and well-managed full-featured distribution. *great* for novices. |
| 17:30.08 | Phated | Debian is, however, a little more... unforgiving of errors. |
| 17:30.24 | gilles | when will php5 be indebian "testing" ? |
| 17:30.31 | gilles | and xorg ? |
| 17:30.34 | Phated | Sometime in the future. |
| 17:30.42 | Phated | !x.org |
| 17:30.42 | dpkg | <daniels> x.org won't make it into sid for at least a while, possibly ever. right now we're working on making the modular tree (fd.o) actually work and be useful with the xfree86/xorg drivers, and that's where debian is probably going. Ask me about 'xorg' for more up-to-date information. http://tinyurl.com/5uo7a, or http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909#installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 17:30.53 | Phated | Hmmm... No, not that one. |
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| 17:31.18 | soften | gilles, you can get php5 from backports |
| 17:31.22 | Phated | Anyway, x.org will be in Debian, possibly -after- the release of sarge as stable. Thus, it will not be in sarge. |
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| 17:31.41 | burd | I think Linux in general is easy enough .. problem is everyone that migrates expects it to act like Windows because that is what they know.. I think this fact alone makes Linux harder for people from the getgo |
| 17:31.45 | phiip | i think debian is great for novices, as long as you use sarge .. you can't really screw up |
| 17:31.53 | Phated | Sure you can. |
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| 17:32.16 | Enkahel | opengl configured ! :) |
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| 17:32.40 | Phated | You can, for example, try to compile your own stuff instead of apt-getting it, creating minor chaos when attempting to manage your system through dpkg and apt, you can mix your sources, resulting in yet more minor chaos. |
| 17:33.06 | Phated | And yes, it -is- possible to totally screw up a Debian system to the point where it is unbootable. |
| 17:33.16 | scarynetworkguy | "I've seen things you people would'nt believe" |
| 17:33.26 | Phated | What he said, |
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| 17:34.04 | burd | I have this theory.. take two children at 10 y/o give one windows and one Linux.. I think both would become equally adept at either OS in time.. after 4 years amke then switch and I would bet you would hear groaning from both |
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| 17:34.23 | Phated | I agree. |
| 17:34.27 | seba | its posible to autodetect a USB device (for example a mouse) when i connect it to the computer? |
| 17:34.36 | dvs | Seb: Sure |
| 17:34.39 | Blissex | seba: yes. |
| 17:34.40 | Phated | Now that I use Linux fulltime, I actually find Windows harder. |
| 17:34.46 | Demon` | is it possible for windows to say that my partitions are fine, but for linux to say that I have some overlaping shit? |
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| 17:34.56 | seba | i need some package? |
| 17:34.56 | soften | I miss linux when I'm away from it, yes |
| 17:35.02 | dvs | seba: hotplug |
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| 17:35.38 | seba | dvs: hotplug is installed in my system, but when i connect the USB mouse in my notebook not work |
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| 17:36.48 | gilles | soften: which backport ? |
| 17:37.12 | burd | seba: did you restart the x server and add the device to the XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 17:37.29 | dvs | seba: What does the Device option for your mouse point to? |
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| 17:38.56 | phiip^ | hmm, note to self .. move the power cord away from my feet |
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| 17:39.32 | gcbirzan | Hey. Shouldn't Apache (at least 2) support large files? (According to its changelog, it should, there's a mention of patches and closed bug reports. But when I try to read a 2+GB file, I get an error: http://wolfheart.ro/~gcbirzan/test ) |
| 17:40.07 | bbrazil | gcbirzan: 403 |
| 17:40.18 | gcbirzan | Yes.-rw-r--r-- 1 gcbirzan gcbirzan 2.1G 2005-02-12 19:36 /home/gcbirzan/public_html/test |
| 17:40.28 | soften | gilles, http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=php5 |
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| 17:40.41 | gcbirzan | And, look at http://wolfheart.ro/~gcbirzan/a, which is: ---------- 1 gcbirzan gcbirzan 0 2005-02-12 19:37 /home/gcbirzan/public_html/a |
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| 17:41.04 | linuxfreck | gcbirzan: check the directory permissions, too |
| 17:41.09 | gcbirzan | linuxfreck: It's not. |
| 17:41.10 | gcbirzan | That. |
| 17:41.11 | burd | gcbirzan: we don't see that we get a 403 Forbidden error when trying to view |
| 17:41.18 | gcbirzan | I know! |
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| 17:41.27 | burd | ahhh k |
| 17:41.35 | Phated | Heh. |
| 17:41.48 | gcbirzan | That's my point. -rw-r--r-- 1 gcbirzan gcbirzan 0 2005-02-12 19:44 /home/gcbirzan/public_html/thisworks , http://wolfheart.ro/~gcbirzan/thisworks |
| 17:41.49 | Phated | gcbirzan: Perhaps if you put the errors in a file... |
| 17:42.14 | gcbirzan | You don't get the "Additionally, blah blah" when you actually try to view a file you don't have permissions to. |
| 17:42.19 | gcbirzan | (http://wolfheart.ro/~gcbirzan/a) |
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| 17:42.47 | gcbirzan | What I'm asking is, is this supposed to work? |
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| 17:42.56 | gcbirzan | dd if=/dev/zero of=test seek=2048 count=1 bs=1M, for example. |
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| 17:43.45 | gcbirzan | And, no, Apache doesn't have problems with sparse files. |
| 17:44.10 | phiip^ | a quick google says that debian builds apache with large file support |
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| 17:44.58 | _rene_ | wtf? why do you need to google for this? :) |
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| 17:45.22 | gcbirzan | phiip^: Yes, same can be understood from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=244897 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=264645 |
| 17:45.31 | phiip^ | he asked if apache had large file support |
| 17:45.33 | gcbirzan | phiip^: (I'm supposed to get it in a directory listing - the second bug - but I don't) |
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| 17:46.07 | phiip^ | _rene_, and 'cause i don't use debian i don't keep all the info about it in my head :) |
| 17:46.20 | _rene_ | phiip^: but you can use the source package |
| 17:46.49 | phiip^ | _rene_, exactly, which i compiled with large file support |
| 17:47.38 | phiip^ | _rene_, i didn't know if sarges idiot proofing did this, so i googled to find out |
| 17:47.47 | gcbirzan | It says on the bug report it's supposed to work out of the box with Apache 2.0.50, I have 2.0.52-3. |
| 17:47.49 | _rene_ | I don't mean apaches original source. I meant the debian source package |
| 17:48.06 | _rene_ | which incidenticlly aontains everything debian does for building... |
| 17:48.17 | phiip^ | _rene_, hot diggity |
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| 17:48.36 | Phated | (doo) |
| 17:48.42 | phiip^ | or dawg |
| 17:48.48 | phiip^ | either way, something with a 'd' |
| 17:48.57 | Phated | Didi. |
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| 17:49.16 | nksen | 'umount /dev/hdc1' 'Device is busy' 'lsof /dev/hdc1' gives an empty line. what can I do? |
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| 17:49.24 | muhoo | and "export PROMPT_COMMAND=" saves the day |
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| 17:49.34 | muhoo | that was easy |
| 17:49.44 | phiip^ | _rene_, well, as i said, because i don't use debian, i wouldn't have known that |
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| 17:49.51 | phiip^ | _rene_, now let's hug and sing hymns |
| 17:49.59 | thomas_adam | muhoo: you could have just 'unset PROMPT_COMMAND'. |
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| 17:51.02 | _rene_ | phiip^: it's the same as .src.rpm in conecpt |
| 17:51.18 | _rene_ | phiip^: if we didn't provide it we would violate many licenses |
| 17:51.21 | shingouz | how the hell do i fix this? alsa is installed and everything seems to be ok but still no sound, amixer -i gives me umpteen lines that have this in them: "Front Left: 47 [66%] Playback [off] Capture [off]" <-- note the "off" there, how do i set it to on? |
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| 17:51.29 | _rene_ | phiip^: so *of course* the source is there |
| 17:51.51 | phiip^ | _rene_, i'm a freebsd user .. licenses mean nothing to me lol |
| 17:51.53 | thomas_adam | Weems: Turn that shit off. |
| 17:51.54 | phiip^ | just jokes |
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| 17:52.17 | Demon` | I currently have 2 partitions, Primary for XP, and Extended for an NTFS and FAT32 drives. How should I partitionize for linux and linux swap? |
| 17:52.27 | thomas_adam | Demon`: However you like. |
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| 17:53.01 | Demon` | does the linux partition required to be Primary? |
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| 17:53.18 | dvs | Demon`: no |
| 17:53.26 | hellfire_ | demon: no |
| 17:53.58 | mikeman | hey, does anybody know about default access control for apache? seems it works fine from localhost, but not from any clients on my lan. |
| 17:54.23 | mikeman | i could go ask them but it's the debian package version so i figure it's some kind of default debian security thing |
| 17:54.54 | phiip^ | mikeman, are you trying to access it by fqn? |
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| 17:55.55 | mikeman | phiip^ : no, by ip. on the inside there is a fqdn for it, i could try that; but on the outside, it's going through NAT and being port-forwarded so i'd like to let it be accessed by IP |
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| 17:56.28 | Anynomous | Phated: I said "Debian is not /really/ for novices" or something like that. Didn't I? |
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| 17:56.46 | phiip^ | linux in general is for novices |
| 17:56.48 | mikeman | phiip^: also having just tested, it does not work by fqdn either. |
| 17:56.52 | phiip^ | the big boys move to a bsd :) |
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| 17:56.56 | phiip^ | i'd better go now :))))) |
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| 17:57.02 | mikeman | damn it |
| 17:57.19 | mikeman | anybody else have any ideas for apache access control? i'd like to let client machines access it |
| 17:57.22 | kristoffer | im using nvidia driver, xfree86 server and kde 3.3, i have a problem setting the resolution in kde to 1280*1024 because it only goes to 800*600, everything is working fine except this problem, i have tryed to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it wil not go abowe 800*600 in kde |
| 17:57.23 | FieldySnuts | troll |
| 17:57.24 | mikeman | but only localhost works |
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| 17:57.43 | thomas_adam | kristoffer: #debian-kde ? |
| 17:57.46 | kristoffer | i have SubSection "Display" |
| 17:57.46 | kristoffer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.46 | kristoffer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.46 | kristoffer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.46 | kristoffer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:57.54 | Phated | Anynomous: <shrugs> You did, but it was, at least, still telling someone to not use Debian. |
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| 18:02.13 | chugga | pif, did you get it working? |
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| 18:06.22 | watchdog | Hello ! |
| 18:06.28 | lawnchair | watchdog, HI! |
| 18:06.33 | watchdog | Any Grub expert here ? |
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| 18:06.56 | lawnchair | ask your question my fat friend |
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| 18:07.09 | watchdog | I have a problem : at boottime, Grub hangs after stage 1.5 |
| 18:07.20 | lawnchair | maybe it hates you |
| 18:07.29 | watchdog | maybe :-) |
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| 18:07.49 | watchdog | sometimes I believe so |
| 18:08.13 | lawnchair | http://lists.progeny.com/archive/progeny-debian/200105/msg00186.html |
| 18:08.13 | takatumi | watchdog: no error? just hangs? |
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| 18:08.31 | watchdog | Just hangs. |
| 18:08.40 | lawnchair | watchdog, read that |
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| 18:08.59 | watchdog | But hangs with optimism : "Please wait, Grub is loading..." or something like that |
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| 18:10.11 | watchdog | Thanks lawnchair, but I have already seen the page you mention |
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| 18:10.51 | watchdog | And I'm dealing with a recent Tosh laptop, so I dont think it will help... |
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| 18:11.18 | maffelu | in a shellscript, how do you change a letter space´s color? |
| 18:11.30 | maffelu | say from normal black background, to white, in just that letter frame? |
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| 18:12.59 | takatumi | watchdog: running sarge? |
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| 18:13.20 | samuel | sup all |
| 18:13.32 | watchdog | yes, taka |
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| 18:13.40 | slocate | hello, anybody familiar with using bash_completion? |
| 18:13.56 | takatumi | watchdog: maybe try #debian-boot |
| 18:14.14 | caphuso | slocate: you use it by hitting tab |
| 18:14.17 | Oryn | slocate: yeah, you just press tab |
| 18:14.18 | samuel | is it possible that someone has "hijacked" my computer? ive got a bunch of emails in my email queue that i didnt send... or just using the smtp server for sending spam? |
| 18:14.24 | samuel | that happen alot? |
| 18:14.34 | watchdog | thx, taka |
| 18:14.35 | slocate | caphuso: i know that |
| 18:14.52 | caphuso | samuel: check your MTA's log files to find out what happened |
| 18:15.11 | samuel | caphuso, lets see... |
| 18:15.21 | slocate | caphuso: i mean /etc/bash_completion |
| 18:15.35 | caphuso | slocate: then why are you asking how to use it if you already know it? |
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| 18:16.52 | slocate | caphuso: cause i haven't being able to figure out this bash_completion |
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| 18:17.42 | caphuso | slocate: can't you ask a decent question instead of letting everybody guess what your problem is? |
| 18:18.05 | lizthegrey | Quick question: has anyone seen Adam Conrad or Jonathan Oxer recently? |
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| 18:18.18 | lizthegrey | Adam said he'd NMU turck-mmcache so it would work with the newest PHP upload. |
| 18:18.19 | FieldySnuts | yeah. we all know people by their real names here. |
| 18:19.13 | slocate | i'm asking about bash_completion (notice the underscore) |
| 18:19.21 | samuel | caphuso, looks like someone used exim on my computer to redirect their email... cant even hace that open anymore... |
| 18:19.36 | slocate | a feature in Bash-2.05a |
| 18:19.38 | caphuso | samuel: so you configured exim to be an open relay? |
| 18:19.47 | caphuso | slocate: FFS, WHAT are you asking? |
| 18:20.18 | samuel | caphuso, yeah, but that was before i thought anyone would try to use it! |
| 18:20.33 | caphuso | samuel: stupid. really stupid |
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| 18:20.53 | caphuso | samuel: stop running an MTA exposed to the internet if you can't configure it properly |
| 18:20.59 | slocate | how does use it, ie, like how/what does it complete |
| 18:21.21 | caphuso | slocate: it completes whatever is defined in that file |
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| 18:21.34 | Rawplayer | to use openvpn what should i have compiled into my kernel? |
| 18:21.54 | caphuso | plus the stuff in /etc/bash_completion.d/ and ~/.bash_completion |
| 18:22.07 | samuel | caphuso, i can configure it properly, i just didnt think anyone would be scanning random ip adresses to find mtas! |
| 18:22.20 | samuel | caphuso, but yeah, pretty stupid |
| 18:22.27 | lizthegrey | Umm, there are more than plenty of worms out there that do that. |
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| 18:23.59 | samuel | lizthegrey, didnt know that |
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| 18:24.38 | tyranix_ | slocate: It's made to complete based on the command. So for instance, xpdf will only complete (with tab) files that end with *.pdf and directories. |
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| 18:24.59 | slocate | tyranix_: right |
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| 18:25.20 | rapha | Hi all |
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| 18:25.58 | rapha | How can you tell apt-get to ABSOLUTELY FRIGGIN get a package out of its database? apt-get --purge remove doesn't work, since the package seems to be horribly broken. |
| 18:26.04 | wolfsong | how do you make a boot disk in woody? when i try mkboot i get "command not found" |
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| 18:27.27 | slocate | tyranix_: guess there is somethign wrong cause it is not completing |
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| 18:28.51 | isah_ | hi, my english isn't so good, can i ask a question here? |
| 18:29.13 | jcurry | isah_, sure, fire away |
| 18:29.16 | hellfire_ | isah_: go ahead |
| 18:29.25 | tyranix_ | slocate: Does one of your setup files source it? /etc/bash.bashrc or ~/.bashrc etc? |
| 18:29.49 | slocate | tyranix_: /etc/bash.bashrc does |
| 18:29.57 | isah_ | :) thx, i have ubuntu on my pc the first time, i read the howtos but i dont know how to set a "default sound device" |
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| 18:30.27 | tyranix_ | slocate: what command are you using? |
| 18:30.31 | zinx | isah_: try #ubuntu? :x |
| 18:30.34 | leikh | when using sendmail and message has the norwegian characters æøå, some clients display the characters as ? and X. recepients using eudora do not have this problem. are there some mime tweaking i have to do with sendmail? |
| 18:30.45 | isah_ | nobody wants to help me there |
| 18:30.45 | slocate | tyranix_: esting it with qiv and xv |
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| 18:31.06 | zinx | isah_: no one knows -how- to help you here.. ubuntu does that stuff different from debian |
| 18:31.13 | isah_ | oh |
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| 18:31.28 | isah_ | ok, i thought maybe it would be the same |
| 18:31.35 | isah_ | thx |
| 18:31.56 | zinx | isah_: ubuntu has a lot of autodetection stuff AIUI, so must stuff related to hardware setup is going to be different :( |
| 18:32.04 | tyranix_ | slocate: Hmm that works for me. $ xv <TAB> lists files and directories that it can use. What if you explicitly source it with ". /etc/bash_completion"? |
| 18:33.00 | isah_ | zinx, i have a oboard sound card and a pci 5.1 sound card, but no sound :( mpg123 says "can't open default sound device" |
| 18:33.02 | slocate | nada |
| 18:33.11 | Albacker | guys where does debian install the fonts as default ? |
| 18:33.30 | FieldySnuts | wankle |
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| 18:34.15 | zinx | isah_: you either need OSS emulation, or it didn't detect either of your sound cards :x |
| 18:35.20 | zinx | isah_: more likely OSS emulation, i think.. but debian auto-loads oss emu :x |
| 18:35.37 | x1bncwn | modprobe snd-pcm-oss && modprobe snd-<name> |
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| 18:36.04 | Albacker | guys where does debian install the fonts as default ? |
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| 18:36.14 | x1bncwn | or add the line 'above snd-<name> snd-pcm-oss' to /etc/modutils somewhere |
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| 18:36.31 | tyranix_ | slocate: Try typing in 'complete' and it should list everything programmed. |
| 18:37.01 | tyranix_ | slocate: When I type 'bash --noprofile --norc', then 'complete' displays nothing. When I type 'bash', then 'complete', it lists lots of commands. |
| 18:37.13 | isah_ | zinx, i have a driver for the pci card and the onboard thing, i can configure it (louder, mute, ..) but i dont know where to set a defautl (the pci card) |
| 18:37.31 | zinx | isah_: the first is the default |
| 18:37.42 | zinx | isah_: you probably need to load oss emulation for mpg123 |
| 18:38.01 | zinx | isah_: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 18:38.01 | zinx | and modprobe snd-mixer-oss |
| 18:38.39 | isah_ | zinx, yes i want the second as defualt |
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| 18:39.08 | slocate | complete -p | grep xv yields complete -o filenames -F _filedir_xspec xv |
| 18:39.18 | slocate | so it should work |
| 18:39.30 | zinx | isah_: twiddle with the indexes then; you'll need to read some ALSA documentation for that |
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| 18:39.48 | else_ | http://nopaste.php-q.net/114567 could someone please help? |
| 18:40.04 | zinx | isah_: but the message mpg123 is giving makes it seem much more like it needs oss emulation |
| 18:40.23 | isah_ | ok, thx, i'll read |
| 18:40.25 | tyranix_ | slocate: Yeah, that's what mine displays too. Hmm sorry, not sure what else to try (I use zsh). |
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| 18:40.48 | slocate | tyranix_: thnks |
| 18:42.22 | slocate | tyranix_: surprisingly other things work ie, man 3 str will yield an output of all man pages starting with str |
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| 18:43.24 | Gigs | I'm after the first reboot in a sarge installation, it's asking me to apt-get stuff now, but it never set up my pcmcia network, even though I did see something related to it during boot.. is there something else I need to do? |
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| 18:44.03 | Blissex | zinx: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#appConfig |
| 18:44.11 | eduac | http://templar.sunwave.com.br/bill_tux.gif |
| 18:44.13 | Blissex | isah_: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#appConfig |
| 18:44.25 | dave | hi |
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| 18:44.35 | dave | somebody can help me please? |
| 18:44.51 | zinx | Blissex: mpg123 is an OSS app |
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| 18:45.13 | dave | i have problems when i going to compile my kernel |
| 18:45.30 | hellfire_ | by the way, whats the difference between alsa and oss? |
| 18:45.32 | Blissex | zinx: depends... |
| 18:45.59 | Blissex | zinx: 'mpg123' is a 'libao' app. Also, usually people should prefer 'mpg321', which is a freeware clone. |
| 18:46.03 | slocate | dave: ask |
| 18:46.36 | dave | slocate: well I need to send the message, but it seems like a flood |
| 18:47.29 | zinx | Blissex: strange, my package doesn't seem to depend on libao |
| 18:48.05 | slocate | dave: did you ask permission to flood me? |
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| 18:48.25 | dave | oh excuse me |
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| 18:48.50 | dave | slocate: excuse me |
| 18:48.52 | Blissex | zinx: then it may be very old... |
| 18:49.04 | zinx | Blissex: it's the one in sid :P |
| 18:49.07 | else | http://nopaste.php-q.net/114567 could someone please help? |
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| 18:49.15 | Blissex | zinx: in any case, just use 'mpg321', which is freeware. |
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| 18:51.07 | slocate | dave: what are you trying to o? |
| 18:51.10 | slocate | do* |
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| 18:51.23 | pennybridge | hey im looking for help on installing debian along side my xp OS, i have been following a tutorial provided to create the partition. Im as far as having just scanned and defragmenting C |
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| 18:51.57 | hellfire_ | else: is that device connected per usb? |
| 18:52.06 | pennybridge | i was going to use fips from the floppy but i dont think this works |
| 18:52.55 | slocate | pennybridge: try partition magic if you have it handy |
| 18:53.31 | dave | slocate: compile a kernel to can use a PCMCIA wireless card |
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| 18:53.32 | pennybridge | hmm no i dont, is that commercial software? |
| 18:53.54 | slocate | unfortunately |
| 18:54.22 | pennybridge | hmm damn |
| 18:55.09 | pennybridge | so there is no other way of doing this? |
| 18:55.32 | FieldySnuts | it'd be a lot easier to grab a second drive, even if it's small, and install there |
| 18:55.56 | Xemacs_ | safer also |
| 18:56.12 | pennybridge | hmm it would be easy, just im taking a hard way of using a laptop here.. |
| 18:56.20 | hellfire_ | pennybridge: maybe downloading knoppix. there is a programm called partition image. |
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| 18:57.42 | websdale | pennybridge: don't Mandrake have an app which resizes NTFS partitions? |
| 18:57.52 | Gigs | is there some way to get back into a "user friendly" network config util? I tried hacking /etc/interfaces and doing an ifup -a, but no DHCP reply, which makes sense since the PCMCIA dongle has no lights on. ifconfig eth0 shows a down interface with no IP though. |
| 18:57.54 | pennybridge | maybe i cant install linux i guess, i tryed knoppix and it took forever just to get to a background with the mouse pointer and thats all, i feel like my drive is reading to slowly |
| 18:57.54 | hellfire_ | pennybridge: forget my last hint. its just a backup tool. |
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| 18:58.17 | tyranix_ | Anyone know if you can hot plug a PS/2 keyboard with a PS2->USB adapter? |
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| 18:58.44 | sean_micken | what's the package name for the File module in Perl? |
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| 18:58.57 | port99 | hmm. hi... |
| 18:59.27 | pennybridge | hmm i could try mandrake |
| 18:59.32 | pennybridge | il check into this |
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| 18:59.44 | port99 | debian-installer wont recognize my IDE drive.. do i need to build a custom kernel? |
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| 19:00.16 | Blissex | tyranix: the PS2 port does not support hot-plug, but if you use a PS2-USB adapter the keyboard becomes to most effects a USB keyboard. |
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| 19:01.22 | ducky | just installed debian for for the first time... how do I use apt-get to get firefox? |
| 19:01.24 | maynanian | i need help!!! please help me so i will be happy finally!!!! i need to install usb adsl modem rotal ale-130... how can i do it ? i just installed the netinst cd.. and i have no x-windows, no nothing, i tried to install the eciadsl package but it says i need newer libc6... somone ? |
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| 19:01.58 | tyranix_ | Blissex: Okay, thanks. Does anyone routinely hot plug keyboards here? I'd like to use the same keyboard on my desktop and laptop. |
| 19:02.12 | Gigs | is there any way I can tell the sarge installer to go back and probe my hardware again, now that I'm booted into the full kernel? |
| 19:02.34 | Blissex | tyranix_: USB keyboards can be hotplugged allright. |
| 19:02.58 | tyranix_ | Blissex: thanks |
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| 19:04.13 | takatumi | Gigs: what hardware are you missing? |
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| 19:04.42 | Gigs | takatumi: my pcmcia network |
| 19:05.11 | Gigs | it seems to have loaded several pcmcia modules, ifconfig eth0 shows it up with no IP, the lights on the dongle are off though |
| 19:05.15 | estel | what program is used by the debian-installer to modify my partition table? |
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| 19:05.20 | asg | estel: cfdisk |
| 19:05.52 | port99 | seriously why would the debian installer be ignoring my HDD? its a normal IDE one, worked before with no hassle, now no hard drives show up at all?? |
| 19:05.53 | estel | asg: that curses based fdisk-clone? |
| 19:06.18 | slocate | port99: check your cables |
| 19:06.20 | estel | asg: isn't it hard to write another frontend for it? |
| 19:06.25 | takatumi | Gigs: if it's supported by the kernel, load the right modules if it ain't loaded with modconf |
| 19:06.31 | port99 | its working, ive got xp installed on another partition |
| 19:06.36 | port99 | plus its laptop so it has no cables |
| 19:07.09 | websdale | Gigs: etherconf will help you with ethernet interface config... |
| 19:07.17 | port99 | if i build a custom kernel will it work with the debian instller ramdisk? or is there anything i have to do? |
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| 19:07.20 | eka | hi |
| 19:07.35 | Gigs | webmind: ok thanks, I tried editing /etc/interfaces but I've never done that with pcmcia before |
| 19:07.38 | eka | i got this: ALSA device "default" is already in use by another program |
| 19:07.51 | eka | how to fix? |
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| 19:10.05 | eka | !tel eka about dmix |
| 19:10.11 | eka | !tell eka about dmix |
| 19:10.13 | Blissex | eka: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#sharing |
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| 19:10.21 | takatumi | port99: tried booting the installer with linux26? |
| 19:10.24 | pennybridge | ok is there an easier way to partition the disk in xp than downloading mandrake which has 3 cds!? |
| 19:10.27 | port99 | yep same thing |
| 19:10.37 | ducky | were do you go to get a list of apts you can install with apt-get? |
| 19:10.38 | nvz | eka: /msg dpkg |
| 19:11.05 | chealer | ducky: you mean a list of packages? |
| 19:11.09 | eka | nvz: i was looking .. there is no automatic way? |
| 19:11.09 | nvz | ducky: use a package manager. would you prefer a console or X app? |
| 19:11.10 | Blissex | ducky: apt-get.org |
| 19:11.12 | dbron | Hi all, I have a box with three sata drives, they come up as hde, hdg, and hdi, hde and hdg show up fine, but hdi is not shown in /dev do I need to create hdi there? |
| 19:11.15 | hellfire_ | pennybrigde: does your current partition use the whole space on the disk? |
| 19:11.24 | ducky | Chealer: yes |
| 19:11.45 | Blissex | dbron: if you dont use 'devfs' you must create extra '/dev/' entries. use 'MAKEDEV' |
| 19:11.46 | chealer | !tell ducky about apt-howto |
| 19:11.49 | nvz | eka: dont use !tell in here, /msg dpkg foo |
| 19:11.58 | dbron | Blissex: k, thanks |
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| 19:12.03 | pennybridge | yeah i guess it does its a laptop with xp home files on C |
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| 19:12.16 | Gigs | I unplugged and replugged the pcmcia network card and a message popped up saying "eth1" now |
| 19:12.24 | hellfire_ | pennybridge: is there a drive d too? |
| 19:12.47 | Gigs | so it looks like all the modules are in it needs |
| 19:13.04 | pennybridge | yeah Drive D for my DVD/CDRW , drive A, and a mounted E for somereason, when trying iso backups |
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| 19:13.43 | eka | ok |
| 19:14.07 | nvz | pennybridge: wtf are you talking about? |
| 19:14.19 | nvz | pennybridge: is this a word puzzle with letters? |
| 19:14.23 | pennybridge | i have close to 19GB of data used in xp and its on a 40GB hd |
| 19:14.29 | dbron | Blissex: I haven't used MAKEDEV before, the manpage says cd /dev and ./MAKEDEV hdi (is my understanding) does that look right to you? |
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| 19:14.50 | nvz | and? |
| 19:15.01 | takatumi | port99: the only other thing to try is probably a daily build iso |
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| 19:15.05 | pennybridge | <hellfire_> was asking questions |
| 19:15.12 | port99 | hmm yes tried that too |
| 19:15.16 | port99 | :( |
| 19:15.17 | port99 | nvm |
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| 19:15.36 | pennybridge | im trying to partition |
| 19:15.47 | asg | estel: probably; someone may already have done so. |
| 19:15.54 | dbron | Blissex: that worked, thanks |
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| 19:16.07 | sobersabre | i have installed esvn + esvn-doc. |
| 19:16.16 | sobersabre | the help won't show itself |
| 19:16.26 | dbron | Blissex: is devfs "better"? |
| 19:16.34 | estel | asg: i think partman is used by the new d-i |
| 19:16.53 | hellfire_ | pennybrige: well the only programm i know to reduce the size of an existing partition is partitionmagic(win32) i dont know of another way. |
| 19:16.57 | asg | estel: ah, could be. |
| 19:17.06 | maynanian | i need help!!! please help me so i will be happy finally!!!! i need to install usb adsl modem rotal (askey) ale-130... how can i do it ? i just installed the netinst cd.. and i have no x-windows, no nothing, i tried to install the eciadsl package but it says i need newer libc6... somone ? |
| 19:17.08 | sobersabre | [not that i need to use it :), but still it would be nice if help worked..] |
| 19:17.28 | pennybridge | hmm thats no good |
| 19:17.35 | estel | asg: i want to create partitions, create a filesystem on it and mount them without rebooting |
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| 19:18.10 | Blissex | maynanian: setting up an USB ADSL modem can be very painful, and almost surely from what you say you have 'stable' and you need to upgrade at least to 'testing'. |
| 19:18.36 | ducky | I ran 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox' and it ran without any problems, however I don't see an icons for it in gnome |
| 19:18.41 | Gigs | ok, every time I plug the network card in, axnet_cs module makes a new interface, up to eth2 now :) |
| 19:18.52 | maynanian | Blissex: i knew it!!!! i asked and they say here that netinst can install it, i asked usb, they said big-time... |
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| 19:19.08 | Rakkis | hey, does anyone know where to find apache2-mpm-prefork 2.0.53-2? -3 is the latest but it has that reported pcre bug |
| 19:19.20 | asg | Rakkis: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 19:19.43 | takatumi | Gigs: your network is breeding. |
| 19:19.46 | Rakkis | asg: thanks |
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| 19:20.18 | maynanian | Blissex: okay tell me what i need to download, i have that site http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/modems.php?lang=en&modem=59 , here it's says that my modem is supported |
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| 19:20.40 | Blissex | maynanian: if you are very very lucky is supported, there are several variants. |
| 19:20.50 | Gigs | takatumi: yeah it's annoying |
| 19:21.05 | Gigs | is there any way to get rid of the other interfaces without rebooting? |
| 19:21.27 | Gigs | by the time I get this right, I'll be up to eth28 |
| 19:21.34 | takatumi | heh |
| 19:21.46 | Blissex | maynanian: I think you first have to upgrade to 'testing' or 'unstable', then run 'apt-cache search adsl | sort -u' and you shall see... |
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| 19:22.22 | maynanian | Blissex: i can't run it, since i don't have access to internet at linux, i have only adsl connection, and it is not working now at linux |
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| 19:22.45 | maynanian | Blissex: there is cd's or packages, i can download ? (fat32 partition, i am using...) |
| 19:22.58 | hellfire_ | pennybridge: well there is a prog called "parted" on linux which can resize partitions as well. but i dont know if it does it right for ntfs filesystems. |
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| 19:23.38 | pennybridge | ok im thinking i will have to change somethings in the debian bios or other files to get it to work right, |
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| 19:24.09 | Blissex | maynanian: thaqts not terribly good news... However you need then some 'testing' or 'unstable' upgrade CDs/DVD and to downlaod the 'eciadsl' '.deb' package. |
| 19:24.16 | pennybridge | i had trouble with dynebolic cd, and knoppix as well i think it was something about atadrive |
| 19:24.39 | maynanian | Blissex: i can find them at www.debian.org ? |
| 19:24.42 | dbron | what is the difference between lvm2 and lvm10? |
| 19:24.45 | ducky | I ran apt-get install mozilla-firefox and it ran just fine, however it didn't install any shotcuts in gnome how do I get the shotcuts installed? |
| 19:24.45 | Blissex | maynanian: yes. |
| 19:25.05 | maynanian | Blissex: ok ! thanks i will ... :) hope we will talk again from linux, next time :) |
| 19:25.06 | ducky | s/shotcuts/shortcuts |
| 19:25.08 | Blissex | maynanian: however if you are not an expert it is going to be a bit hard work. |
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| 19:25.41 | maynanian | Blissex: i am not an expert, last time i used linux is before 5 years in approx. and we must agree, everything changed... for good! but it's all diffrent |
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| 19:26.00 | sobersabre | guys.. has usb bug in sarge installer for ia64 been fixed or not ? |
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| 19:26.24 | Blissex | maynanian: perhaps if you are not experienced it would be quicker to install a Debian derived thing like Ubuntu/Kanotix/Knoppix and then installing the 'eciadsl' package to that would be pretty easy I think (some of those may alreayd have it). |
| 19:26.37 | nvz | sobersabre: bugs.debian.org? kernel.org changelog? |
| 19:26.39 | jonis | suck my dick ahil |
| 19:26.52 | stew | sobersabre: #debian-boot |
| 19:26.57 | asg | !seen ahil |
| 19:26.57 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'ahil', asg |
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| 19:27.07 | sobersabre | nvz.. it should be in bugs.debian stew, thanks. |
| 19:27.16 | maynanian | Blissex: but i want debian distribution, it's the best it has "dselect" :) |
| 19:27.18 | nvz | DWN |
| 19:27.21 | devi0s | where is openssl installed on debian? |
| 19:27.21 | JJ995 | hello, I am having trouble setting up Server Side Include on a Debian testing with Apache 2, can somebody help me out? |
| 19:27.31 | asg | devi0s: locate openssl |
| 19:27.32 | devi0s | i.e. path/to/ssl |
| 19:27.41 | nvz | *shrug* you say that like EVERYONE here would know there even was a problem with usb on ia64 |
| 19:27.47 | maynanian | Blissex: oh Knoppix has dselect :) |
| 19:27.54 | nvz | thats vague :P |
| 19:27.55 | stew | JJ995: you might wanna try #apache |
| 19:27.59 | jonis | nvz gaidys |
| 19:28.02 | maynanian | Blissex: those distributions, is based on debian ? |
| 19:28.04 | asg | devi0s: dpkg -L openssl | pager |
| 19:28.06 | JJ995 | ok, thanks stew |
| 19:28.10 | Blissex | maynanian: yes, all of them. |
| 19:28.27 | nvz | jonis: moi? |
| 19:28.51 | maynanian | Blissex: oh thanks, i will try :) |
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| 19:29.24 | Blissex | maynanian: in any case dont use 'dselect', use 'aptitude' or 'synaptic'.... |
| 19:29.40 | jonis | nnnnnn |
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| 19:29.56 | valarking | salut |
| 19:29.58 | ducky | how do you get the firefox shortcuts in gnome after you apt-get to install firefox? |
| 19:30.11 | asg | jonis: do you have anything constructive to say or are you just being, to quote sussudio, a 'Sad Wanker'? |
| 19:30.19 | nvz | ducky: apt-get install menu && update-menus |
| 19:30.30 | maynanian | Blissex: what is them, and why, and what it is, before many years, i all the time used dselect, to update packages.. |
| 19:30.35 | takatumi | nvz: he needs an icon |
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| 19:31.10 | stew | maynanian: if you are comfortable with dselect, then I doubt there is much reason to switch |
| 19:31.24 | valarking | je besoin assistance svp |
| 19:31.29 | stew | !fr |
| 19:31.29 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 19:31.40 | valarking | merci :) |
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| 19:31.49 | stew | valarking: de rien |
| 19:32.00 | nvz | its going to rain today? |
| 19:32.02 | nvz | heh |
| 19:32.22 | stew | actually i think it is |
| 19:32.49 | maynanian | Blissex: and there is no other way to install adsl modem on my current distribution, or can i download the unstable directory, and save it at fat 32 hard-drive, and install packages from linux ? i mean, all the x-windows, and stuff, ? |
| 19:32.50 | stew | doesn't really affect us internet shut ins though |
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| 19:33.15 | ducky | nvz: O upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded. |
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| 19:33.23 | devi0s | AUGH. stupid arse psybnc. openssl *IS* installed at /usr/lib/ssl - Stop telling me openssl is not installed before I kill your damn family... |
| 19:33.24 | Blissex | maynanian: you can, but it is a bit complicated and not so obvious if you are not experienced. |
| 19:33.47 | stew | devi0s: are you trying to compile? do you need the -dev libraries? |
| 19:33.58 | nvz | ducky: *shrug* the package 'menu' updates all debian menus for me |
| 19:34.13 | devi0s | stew: i did apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:34.20 | nvz | the main gnome menu not in "debian menu" seems to update itself only with gnome apps |
| 19:34.29 | stew | devi0s: i mean the ssl -dev packages |
| 19:34.34 | chealer | ducky: don't you have it at least in your debian menu? |
| 19:34.36 | Gigs | gah, physical layer.. bad patch cable |
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| 19:34.43 | Gigs | thanks for help anyway guys |
| 19:34.49 | devi0s | stew: maybe... know what packages? |
| 19:34.59 | maynanian | Blissex: i know how to add mirrors.. and i know the dpkg -i command...., my question is if the fat32 won't show the packages name currently.. when i downloading... i never tried, fat32 and ext3 is diffrent fs you know... |
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| 19:35.50 | ducky | chealer: it doesn't have firefox |
| 19:35.56 | stew | devi0s: probably something like libssl-dev. apt-cache search ssl | grep dev |
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| 19:37.07 | chealer | ducky: even debian->Apps->Net->Mozilla Firefox? |
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| 19:37.44 | ducky | chealer: nope |
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| 19:39.02 | stew | !psybnc |
| 19:39.02 | dpkg | [psyBNC] One of the most popular IRC bouncers ( http://www.psychoid.net/psybnc.html ) |
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| 19:39.08 | stew | what is an irc bouncer? |
| 19:39.21 | ducky | Firefox runs if I double click on it in /usr/bin/ under the file manager |
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| 19:40.20 | chealer | ducky: sorry, you're using testing? |
| 19:40.37 | asg | stew: looks like an anonymizer / encryption client or somesuch |
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| 19:41.06 | else | http://nopaste.php-q.net/114567 could someone please help? |
| 19:41.07 | Laney | Is there a package for psybnc? |
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| 19:41.20 | maynanian | libc6 does not need any dependencies ? |
| 19:41.21 | stew | Laney: aparantly not |
| 19:41.24 | generic_daman | Someone please help me. IE will run this site, but Mozilla in Debian won't.. |
| 19:41.33 | ducky | chealer: Debian Sarge Network Install RC 2 |
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| 19:41.41 | generic_daman | http://www.tubgirl.com |
| 19:41.41 | stew | maynanian: /msg dpkg depends libc6 |
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| 19:41.57 | Laney | ah, muh's there. that'll do |
| 19:42.00 | Ronin | gee generic_daman that bored are you? |
| 19:42.01 | asg | generic_daman: go away |
| 19:42.03 | generic_daman | Someone please help me. IE will run this site, but Mozilla in Debian won't - http://www.tubgirl.com |
| 19:42.04 | else | generic_daman, you needn't see this page |
| 19:42.07 | pingouin | which command allow me to load/unload libusb by hand ? |
| 19:42.14 | generic_daman | or |
| 19:42.14 | stew | generic_daman: go away |
| 19:42.16 | Ronin | another day another troll |
| 19:42.19 | generic_daman | www.lemonparty.org |
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| 19:42.34 | tarzeau | sometimes bad is better than good? www.linuks.mine.nu/ninnu1054151-wheniamgoodiamprettygoodbutwheniambadiamevenbetter.jpg |
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| 19:42.39 | chealer | ducky: I have no idea. try to logout, if anything |
| 19:42.49 | generic_daman | www.lemonparty.org |
| 19:43.01 | asg | generic_daman: go away or you will be dealt with |
| 19:43.01 | Ronin | someone wake up an op :) |
| 19:43.03 | else | generic_daman, GO AWAY |
| 19:43.05 | generic_daman | www.lemonparty.org |
| 19:43.07 | generic_daman | Someone please help me. IE will run this site, but Mozilla in Debian won't - http://www.tubgirl.com |
| 19:43.07 | chealer | hey tarzeau. is your wiki going to be fixed? |
| 19:43.08 | generic_daman | www.lemonparty.org |
| 19:43.10 | asg | !ops generic_daman spamming gchannel |
| 19:43.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: generic_daman spamming gchannel |
| 19:43.11 | stew | !ops generic_daman |
| 19:43.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: generic_daman |
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| 19:43.20 | tarzeau | chealer: wasn't it already? |
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| 19:43.25 | chealer | !tell generic_daman about repeat |
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| 19:43.31 | generic_daman | www.lemonparty.org |
| 19:43.34 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@ip68-224-242-72.lv.lv.cox.net] by ElectricElf |
| 19:43.35 | *** mode/#Debian [-o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
| 19:43.36 | asg | ElectricElf: thanks |
| 19:43.38 | tarzeau | chealer: yes of course it will be fixed, you want an account? |
| 19:43.40 | ElectricElf | No probs |
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| 19:43.45 | else | :) |
| 19:43.47 | paulswm | ElectricElf: Thnk you **very** much |
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| 19:43.59 | gurubie | Guru's! Will gigabit LAN alow a fast (raptor) 3ms (or so) HD to run full speed from a (debian) server? Or is there a bottle neck? |
| 19:44.08 | ducky | exit |
| 19:44.29 | chealer | tarzeau: well the homepage "http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/" doesn't seem to be fixed at least :( |
| 19:44.34 | pipeline | gurubie: There are some bottlenecks. |
| 19:44.44 | pipeline | gurubie: For general purpose usage, like just as a file server, you won't notice them. |
| 19:44.46 | chealer | tarzeau: still "fucking" spammed :-P |
| 19:44.59 | pipeline | gurubie: For an NFS rooted remote system, the bottlenecks rapidly become significant. |
| 19:45.25 | gurubie | How about video? |
| 19:45.26 | tarzeau | chealer: huh? |
| 19:45.27 | asg | chealer: refresh your browser, it's fine here |
| 19:45.28 | pipeline | gurubie: The sustained transfer speed should be the same over the ethernet as it is locally, if that's what you mean. That is, assuming you have the PCI bandwidth. |
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| 19:45.35 | tarzeau | chealer: you're browser cache? |
| 19:45.47 | takatumi | chealer: looks fine here. |
| 19:45.51 | stew | gurubie: what bandwidth video? |
| 19:45.58 | gurubie | mpg2 |
| 19:45.59 | pipeline | gurubie: The bottlenecks are in things like symlinks and "special" files. Not transfer speed |
| 19:46.05 | stew | gurubie: like what resolution/framerate? |
| 19:46.26 | pipeline | gurubie: Let's put it this way: Anything you could get off the disk at a sustained rate locally should be fine over the ethernet. |
| 19:46.26 | gurubie | stew DVD quality I guess. |
| 19:46.36 | pipeline | DVD-quality MPEG2 streams fine over 100 mbit. |
| 19:46.40 | pipeline | much less gigabit |
| 19:46.47 | stew | gurubie: i watch tv over 100mb via nfs |
| 19:46.51 | pipeline | hell |
| 19:47.01 | pipeline | I've watched DVD-bitrate video over *10* mbit |
| 19:47.05 | pipeline | Most DVD's never go over 4mbit |
| 19:47.14 | stew | yeah |
| 19:47.18 | gurubie | Lastly, how about over super "G" type 108G (stated) wireless (close by)? |
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| 19:47.43 | pipeline | gurubie: More than likely not at all. Even "108 mbit" wireless usually tops out around 5 mbit, and the reliability is shit. It really depends on your environment. Try it, but don't expect it to work. |
| 19:47.46 | stew | tv doesn't work well over 802.11b in my experience but anything better is fine |
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| 19:48.01 | chealer | tarzeau/asg/takatumi: thanks, it's cache indeed. that's strange though, I've never seen firefox cache during so long. |
| 19:48.02 | pipeline | God I hate wireless. |
| 19:48.20 | gurubie | Excellent answers guys! Thank you. out. |
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| 19:48.31 | chealer | tarzeau: in this case maybe /topic should be changed. or is it gaim's cache now? :) |
| 19:48.46 | Esaj | how does one benchmark memory usage for an arbitrary program? |
| 19:48.48 | asg | pipeline: still zippy quick compared to 2400 baud |
| 19:48.58 | tarzeau | chealer: YUCK you use gaim for irc? |
| 19:49.06 | tarzeau | chealer: yes the /topic should be changed back |
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| 19:49.34 | asg | leet jesus? how original |
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| 19:49.53 | chealer | tarzeau: I'm also known to be masochist :) maybe one day I'll try something real |
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| 19:50.23 | stew | chealer: irssi + bitlbee is a much nicer irc + aim + msn solution |
| 19:50.38 | stew | nvz: its bound to rain somehwere today :) |
| 19:50.49 | Devi0s1 | ok, installing the libssl-dev package helped, but it's still not working. SSL-Support: Yes, but no openssl binary found in "/usr/lib/ssl/".Creating Makefile |
| 19:50.50 | tarzeau | chealer: like GNUstep? masochists use GNOME, right? you got gnome? |
| 19:51.02 | Devi0s1 | stew: any clue on that one? |
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| 19:51.44 | stew | Devi0s1: which binary is it looking for? figure out and find it: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:52.10 | stew | Devi0s1: or just apt-file search /usr/lib/ssl |
| 19:52.38 | Devi0s1 | stew: how do I figure out what binary it's looking for? I tried cp /usr/bin/openssl to that dir and it still can't find it. |
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| 19:53.44 | stew | Devi0s1: with strace. you have the openssl library installed? its probably looking for the "openssl" binary, debian might install it in /usr/bin instead of /usr/lib/ssl or something |
| 19:54.06 | chealer | tarzeau: I use gaim in KDE, and for IRC purposes. plus MSN through jabber transport :D |
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| 19:54.59 | chealer | stew: hey I didn't know about bitlbee, but not sure I'll try it. irssi is on my apt-get install list though |
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| 19:55.33 | stew | chealer: bitlbee starts in irc -> aim/msn gateway on your machine, so you can send IMs via irc |
| 19:55.34 | tarzeau | chealer: ahh true, KDE are masochists. and GNOME sadists (i had it wrong in mind, sorry) |
| 19:56.00 | tarzeau | chealer: have you tried GNU Screen ever? and irssi-text ? fantastic i tell you |
| 19:56.05 | stew | !bitlbee |
| 19:56.06 | dpkg | hmm... bitlbee is an irc to other chat networks gateway, connect to irc, icq, msn, jabber, aim, etc... with your favorite irc client! |
| 19:56.08 | chealer | tarzeau: "masochist" was from me, don't le me confuse you |
| 19:56.25 | chealer | GNU screen, no. I'm installing irssi-text ATM |
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| 19:56.43 | paulswm | So the KDE masochist says, "Beat me!", and the GNOME sadist says, "no." |
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| 19:56.51 | Unified | hi |
| 19:56.56 | tarzeau | paulswm: hehe ;) |
| 19:56.59 | reamtS | what is a good "pdf" viewer? |
| 19:57.00 | Unified | anyone's using debmirror? |
| 19:57.01 | stew | chealer: screen is at the top of the "must use" apps in my mine (and many others) |
| 19:57.06 | resiak | reamtS: xpdf |
| 19:57.07 | stew | s/mine/mind/ |
| 19:57.07 | tarzeau | chealer: screen is great, install it too,and i'll show you some tricks |
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| 19:57.14 | tarzeau | resiak: viewpdf.app |
| 19:57.20 | resiak | tarzeau: Heh. |
| 19:57.27 | Blissex | paulswm: the GNOME masochists does no say "no", he installs Nautilus instead :-) |
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| 19:57.49 | Unified | or in another way: if i run debmirror on a already set up local mirror, will it update just the newer packages or download the complete mirror again? |
| 19:57.56 | stew | i read something funny once that was trying to claim that over 50% of the people that use screen first learned it in order to stay connected to irc for continuous periods of time :) |
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| 19:58.14 | resiak | stew: Do you not believe that? |
| 19:58.17 | Ronin | stew: not surprised actually at that one |
| 19:58.24 | chugga | me either. makes sense |
| 19:58.27 | _Alleria | when I try to use route to add a route through a tunne, I get a "SIOCADDRT: No such device". Can anyone help? |
| 19:58.29 | Blissex | stew: sound pretty plausible to me :-) |
| 19:58.34 | tarzeau | stew: i was sick of reconnecting that many channels and servers, let me show you an irssi screenshot: |
| 19:58.37 | stew | yeah, i agree, its probably likely |
| 19:58.38 | tarzeau | [20:58][tarzeau(+ei)][69:#debian(+JLPcflnt[Act: 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,13,14,15,17,20,21,25,28,29,40,43,46,47,48,49,53,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,67,70,71,72,74,76] |
| 19:58.48 | stew | 76? cripes |
| 19:58.59 | tarzeau | stew: only because of the powerfailure |
| 19:59.02 | asg | tarzeau: doesn't bob2 have the record? |
| 19:59.03 | stew | and my wife thinks i'm crazy for having 30 |
| 19:59.07 | tarzeau | stew: it was like 300 (after 6 months) |
| 19:59.17 | tarzeau | asg: i doubt, i am sure i'm more lazy closing windows |
| 19:59.18 | Phated | Good lord, I only have 5! |
| 19:59.20 | Phated | Well, six. |
| 19:59.22 | asg | tarzeau: hehe |
| 19:59.23 | Ronin | 76? i have trouble with 5 for crying out loud, what the point no one can follow that many anyhow tarzeau |
| 19:59.31 | tarzeau | Ronin: you don't know the alt-a key? |
| 19:59.47 | Phated | Very funny, stew. |
| 19:59.49 | tarzeau | Ronin: my irc is a instant messaging |
| 19:59.52 | Devi0s1 | stew: but i copied openssl from /usr/bin to /usr/lib/ssl and it still fails... I am trying to use strace now but can't seem to find what it's looking for... |
| 19:59.53 | Ronin | tarzeau: i do and i use it a lot but your in so many you cant follow any of them :) |
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| 20:00.00 | Phated | Yes, you can. |
| 20:00.03 | tarzeau | Ronin: i follow the ones i want |
| 20:00.09 | Phated | You need to multi-thread your mind. |
| 20:00.17 | stew | Devi0s1: strace ./configure 2>&1 | grep open |
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| 20:00.33 | asg | Devi0s1: did you do make clean or make distclean before rerunning ./configure? |
| 20:00.37 | Ronin | im old Phated it can only multi-thread so much now a days |
| 20:00.55 | Phated | <shrugs> Age is no excuse for not keeping your mind sharp. |
| 20:00.57 | NixDix | is pan on SARGE available ? |
| 20:01.05 | asg | NixDix: should be |
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| 20:01.11 | asg | NixDix: if not, /msg dpkg why is pan not in testing |
| 20:01.17 | stew | NixDix: packages.debian.org will tell you |
| 20:01.29 | NixDix | i dont find it with apt-file search pan |
| 20:01.33 | stew | NixDix: more specifically packages.debian.org/pan |
| 20:01.41 | Ronin | NixDix: apt-cache search |
| 20:01.47 | NixDix | ahhh ok |
| 20:01.53 | NixDix | thx |
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| 20:02.15 | paulswm | NixDix: pan is on sarge and it works great, been using it for ages |
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| 20:02.29 | NixDix | thx @paulswm |
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| 20:02.35 | NixDix | good to know |
| 20:02.46 | rockwilder | hi |
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| 20:03.18 | yildirim | hi, who can help me with api/apci/apm/apcid or anything.. im using debian on my laptop because the cpu cooler is always running. How can i stop them and run if they need.? |
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| 20:03.50 | factor | how do I delete a file that had no node info? |
| 20:04.06 | NixDix | sry how do i install pan with apt |
| 20:04.14 | rockwilder | i have a problem with the ati-radeon drivers cd /usr/src/modules/fglrx-kernel-src./make.sh |
| 20:04.14 | asg | NixDix: apt-get install pan |
| 20:04.20 | factor | and also has attribs of 0000 |
| 20:04.41 | asg | factor: no 'node' info? |
| 20:04.43 | NixDix | thx ! sry for my stupidy ;-) |
| 20:04.45 | Devi0s1 | stew: found nothing related to the openssl binary - in fact, it's like it's not even looking for it from my limited ability to dechiper strace. |
| 20:04.47 | factor | asg:yup |
| 20:04.51 | Devi0s1 | asg: yes |
| 20:04.58 | factor | I can not remove a package because of it. |
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| 20:05.09 | asg | factor: and you can't delete it as root? |
| 20:05.13 | factor | nope |
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| 20:05.23 | factor | how can I unlink a directory. |
| 20:05.29 | asg | factor: well, I'd suggest dropping to single user mode and running 'fsck' |
| 20:06.01 | factor | asg alright sounds like a plan but it is reiserfs |
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| 20:06.41 | lopuz | what's the group and user id for "users" ? |
| 20:06.43 | stew | Devi0s1: then its not the openssl binary but something else, try the same | grep /usr/lib/ssl or whatever |
| 20:06.43 | asg | factor: then whatever reiser uses to do such things (I don't know offhand.) |
| 20:06.44 | ama | when is the next major release of debian going to be released? |
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| 20:07.02 | factor | asg ok brb will do. |
| 20:07.13 | pennybridge | ok i might need a bit of help partitioning using partition magic, i have it running and im at the point of install anothe operating system |
| 20:07.17 | s3itz | ama, when it's released |
| 20:07.21 | asg | lopuz: grep user /etc/group ; grep user /etc/passwd |
| 20:07.32 | asg | ama: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 20:07.34 | stew | ama: /msg dpkg wwsr ; /msg dpkg wir |
| 20:07.37 | ama | s3itz: do you have a road map or an idea? |
| 20:07.39 | lopuz | okay. thanks |
| 20:07.42 | stew | ama: /msg dpkg siyh |
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| 20:07.58 | Devi0s1 | stew: check this: |
| 20:08.00 | Devi0s1 | gofer@redrubberball:~/psybnc$ strace make menuconfig 2>&1 | grep ssl |
| 20:08.00 | Devi0s1 | SSL-Support: Yes, but no openssl binary found in "/usr/lib/ssl/".Creating Makefile |
| 20:08.02 | pennybridge | i picked linux now its asking me where do i want to create the new partition, before or after C |
| 20:08.07 | ama | im confused by the bot? |
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| 20:08.25 | ama | it dosnt matter pennybridge |
| 20:08.26 | stew | Devi0s1: "creating Makefile" sounds like it worked |
| 20:08.27 | ama | or it shouldnt |
| 20:08.32 | pennybridge | ok |
| 20:08.41 | asg | ama: 30 days after sarge's security package infrastructure is up and running (give or take) |
| 20:08.51 | Devi0s1 | stew: it works, but ssl support does NOT work... |
| 20:09.01 | seba | it is posible to automount a pen drive when i connect it? |
| 20:09.06 | Devi0s1 | stew: no openssl binary found |
| 20:09.15 | asg | Devi0s1: does ./configure --help indicate an option for specifying the exact location of /usr/bin/openssl ? |
| 20:09.18 | dud | does anyone know if linux keeps a cache of resolved nameserver lookups? |
| 20:09.22 | stew | Devi0s1: maybe there is a ./configure switch where you can point it to the openssl binary |
| 20:09.40 | asg | dud: no, though you can install one |
| 20:09.47 | stew | dud: browsers do and nameservers do |
| 20:09.54 | stew | dud: but linux doesn't |
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| 20:10.05 | dud | more specifically, i have a domain on my webserver which I've changed which IP adress it points to... but its taking forever to resolv to the new ip for me from my home pc :( |
| 20:10.24 | dud | eg, I've changed the nameserver entry... |
| 20:10.27 | ama | asg: when will sarges security infrastructure be up and running |
| 20:10.38 | paulswm | *sigh* |
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| 20:11.01 | dud | its might be possible that my ISP has a cached nameserver? |
| 20:11.04 | NixDix | pan is really cool |
| 20:11.05 | asg | ama: that's is not known. |
| 20:11.18 | pennybridge | ok what do i do for the part where you set partition active, do i click immediately, or later? |
| 20:11.25 | asg | ama: as soon as that is known, we can pretty much say that a month afterwards, sarge will be released. |
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| 20:11.59 | ama | exactly what is sarges security infrastructure |
| 20:12.02 | stew | ama: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical is the other thing holding it up |
| 20:12.25 | MarGarina | any idea why a 'dist-upgrade' decided to install the caudium webserver? |
| 20:12.25 | paulswm | NixDix: yes, pan is really good |
| 20:12.42 | ama | generally how does debian decide when it is ok to make a package stable? |
| 20:12.50 | asg | ama: when DSAs result in immediate fixes to sarge packages as opposed to them filtering through sid for 2 to 10 days first. |
| 20:13.08 | asg | ama: www.debian.org/devel (you really should read the documentation) |
| 20:13.12 | stew | MarGarina: apt-cache rdepends caudium might give you some insight |
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| 20:13.37 | ama | and i shall |
| 20:13.39 | dowan | hello mindenki |
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| 20:13.56 | zeo33x | im trying to build kernel using make-kpkg, but no luck |
| 20:14.09 | dowan | sorry :)) |
| 20:14.17 | zeo33x | make: *** No rule to make target `conf.vars', needed by `stamp-configure'. Stop. |
| 20:14.17 | MarGarina | stew: cool, didn't know about the existance of this command. |
| 20:14.25 | ama | does debian maintain its own repository of bugs for individual applications outside of a programs native repository of unresolved bugs? |
| 20:14.28 | zeo33x | i never get that error |
| 20:14.31 | dowan | i misstyped the channel name :)) |
| 20:14.36 | stew | MarGarina: apt-cache has lots of good ones, read the manpage |
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| 20:14.47 | pennybridge | really in need of help ok what do i do for the part where you set partition active, do i click immediately, or later? |
| 20:14.49 | Devi0s1 | asg: stew: there is no configure script for psybnc |
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| 20:15.03 | stew | Devi0s1: what are you running? i figured it was ./configure |
| 20:15.03 | lopuz | asg, when i mount with gid 100 which is users or gid 1000 which is for my user (lopuz,) why do i still get the permission denied error? |
| 20:15.11 | Devi0s1 | make |
| 20:15.15 | Devi0s1 | make menuconfig |
| 20:15.19 | stew | Devi0s1: is there a "INSTALL" document or anything? |
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| 20:15.24 | Devi0s1 | (reveesr order) |
| 20:15.33 | shadowrun | would anyone know the package name for a nvidia geforce4 driver? |
| 20:15.35 | stew | Devi0s1: edit the makefile then |
| 20:15.59 | stew | shadowrun: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 20:16.08 | amppas | hi all |
| 20:16.08 | rockwilder | wich tool creat this directory /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build? |
| 20:16.14 | rockwilder | create |
| 20:16.23 | pennybridge | shadowrun what type of computer are you installing to? |
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| 20:16.29 | a1t | hi |
| 20:16.31 | stew | shadowrun: if you don't care about 3d then use the bulit in "nv" driver, otherwise look at the nvidia factoid |
| 20:16.40 | pennybridge | i have the same graphics |
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| 20:16.49 | MacSociety | Just downloaded the Sarge installer for PowerPC and created a CD from it, booted the Apple G5 fine, type "install-power4" at the prompt, I get the graphical installer window, but now the keyboard will not allow me to make my selections, it is like the keyboard becomes null and void once this install screen appears. Tried with my stock Apple keyboard and also a generic USB Macally. Any reason why this installer should not work on a G5. Thanks |
| 20:16.49 | MacSociety | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.14 | shadowrun | i tried using the nv driver. X will not work with my card under this driver. |
| 20:17.14 | shadowrun | i am using a ti4400 |
| 20:17.14 | stew | rockwilder: install kernel-headers-2.6.8-1 |
| 20:17.14 | rockwilder | all right |
| 20:17.22 | shadowrun | and lynx does not like the nvidia website. |
| 20:17.49 | NixDix | SARGE is a wonderful project . this distribution is so good everything that i want is possible and this system is really fast !!! i dont need a very good computer thats nice ! i am satisfied |
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| 20:18.14 | stew | shadowrun: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
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| 20:18.23 | pennybridge | ANYone here install debian on a toshiba Satellite 2410 laptop? |
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| 20:19.12 | MacSociety | Basically the same thing the Ubuntu 4.10 CD I got in the mail did so I had to download the Ubuntu Hoary CD, and that installs fine, but will not boot Linux after the install seemed to go fine. Are these Linux installs juts not meant for a G5? |
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| 20:19.21 | ama | #ubuntu |
| 20:19.28 | ama | and read the topic |
| 20:19.31 | asg | MacSociety: #ubuntu would be a better forum for such questions |
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| 20:19.53 | slocate | is ti posible to upgrade just ONE pkg in a system? |
| 20:19.54 | pennybridge | if someone could help me it would be GREAT! im trying to partionmagic my C on winXP |
| 20:19.57 | Yildirim | #debian.nl |
| 20:20.08 | Phated | slocate: apt-get install that package. |
| 20:20.08 | asg | slocate: apt-get update ; apt-get install <pkg> |
| 20:20.09 | a_monkey | http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto-6.html#ss6.1 <-- where do i select powermac and stop-procs? |
| 20:20.14 | MacSociety | asg, see my question above. It is Debian I am having issue with. I just noted that I had similar issue with another Linux is all. |
| 20:20.18 | asg | slocate: that will update only that package (and grab any dependancies.) |
| 20:20.26 | slocate | kool |
| 20:20.28 | asg | MacSociety: oh, try #debian-boot then |
| 20:20.38 | asg | MacSociety: and #debian-ppc also |
| 20:20.52 | MacSociety | OK, thanks. Did not know that board existed. Will see there. Thanks |
| 20:20.52 | pennybridge | IM not sure if i should set my partition active, to immediately, or later!? |
| 20:20.53 | asg | MacSociety: err #debianppc |
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| 20:21.10 | pipeline | MacSociety: Have you tried using a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 20:21.11 | Gumby | anyone know if there are any tools available to tell you exactly what a specific driver module is for hardware wise? (besides googl |
| 20:21.14 | asg | pennybridge: does the install guide not tell you what to do? |
| 20:21.27 | pipeline | Gumby: There cannot be such a thing due to the horrible rebranding manufacturers do. |
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| 20:21.32 | asg | Gumby: modinfo <module> might give a little info |
| 20:21.35 | pennybridge | debian install guide? |
| 20:21.43 | pipeline | Gumby: "Hotplug" tries to do it at boot time using PCI ID's and probing, however. |
| 20:21.45 | asg | Gumby: the Documentation/ director in the kernel src tree |
| 20:21.49 | slocate | asg: but the pkg (bash) is already nstalled |
| 20:21.58 | asg | slocate: then it doesn't need to be updated |
| 20:22.12 | asg | slocate: or a newer version doesn't exist on whatever mirror you are using. |
| 20:22.13 | stew | slocate: install means install or upgrade |
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| 20:23.30 | Davidcc6 | how can i print in linux, whit out x |
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| 20:23.36 | prozaknathan | sup all |
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| 20:23.57 | Davidcc6 | (laserjet 6l installed whit cups) |
| 20:24.15 | pipeline | Davidcc6: I would start by writing like a reasonable person instead of a drooling moron |
| 20:24.15 | xam | !sup |
| 20:24.16 | dpkg | Watchin' the game, havin' a pisswater... software usage poll |
| 20:24.20 | asg | Davidcc6: apt-get install cupsys-bsd cupsys-client (use lp or lpr) |
| 20:24.40 | a_monkey | anybody know what the author means by "Select powermac (PowerMac)" and "Select stop-procs"? |
| 20:24.48 | Davidcc6 | asg thx |
| 20:24.49 | a_monkey | select it where? |
| 20:24.55 | Davidcc6 | pipeline sorry |
| 20:25.09 | Zim | does anyone know how i can enable midi output on my maestro 2e soundcard? |
| 20:25.20 | Zim | (i'm using ALSA) |
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| 20:25.50 | pipeline | Zim: MIDI output is easier than input because you can install timidity and do it in software. |
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| 20:26.02 | noloK | hi |
| 20:26.04 | pipeline | Zim: That chip isn't documented well, so I don't know if MIDI works correctly in hardware :| |
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| 20:26.26 | noloK | how i can enlarge the picture of the mplayer, because the original size is too small? |
| 20:26.34 | restrex | Is necessary reboot the system when it's dist-upgraded? |
| 20:26.40 | pipeline | noloK: press "f", I believe |
| 20:26.43 | noloK | (WAF release) |
| 20:26.45 | asg | noloK: type 'f' or resize the window with the mouse |
| 20:26.48 | Zim | pipeline, arg! i have a project that needs to play midi files using the JAVA API...is there any way that I can pipe the java API through timidity? |
| 20:26.53 | pipeline | restrex: Not unless you want to. |
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| 20:27.13 | noloK | pipeline,asg not the fullscreen, the 'resolution' |
| 20:27.18 | asg | restrex: the only time a reboot is needed is if you install a new kernel |
| 20:27.26 | pipeline | Zim: If the java would have worked with hardware MIDI, it would work the same way with timidity. |
| 20:27.41 | restrex | oh ok thanks pipeline and asg :) |
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| 20:28.27 | pennybridge | is file system ext2 right for making a linux partition in partitionmagic? |
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| 20:28.36 | seba | it is posible to automount a pen drive when i connect it? |
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| 20:28.55 | asg | pennybridge: you are better off leaving blank space and letting the installer partition and create filesystems |
| 20:28.57 | pipeline | pennybridge: Yes. Ext2 and Ext3 are the same thing. Be careful with partition magic -- it fails sometimes. |
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| 20:29.12 | pennybridge | hmm |
| 20:29.58 | noloK | pipeline, asg any suggestions? |
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| 20:30.23 | asg | noloK: not a clue. |
| 20:30.32 | keith_ | Debian3r4. What is a good application to watch DVDs other than Xine. Xine is too difficult for me to setup. |
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| 20:30.45 | asg | noloK: other than finding a higher resolution recording of whatever it is you are watching |
| 20:30.51 | nicholas_ | is there a hppa port channel? |
| 20:30.53 | phil | hi |
| 20:31.10 | phil | i installed zope via apt-get but i forgot my admin password .. any ideas how to recover it? |
| 20:31.25 | Zim | ok thanks pipeline |
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| 20:31.30 | asg | phil: /usr/share/doc/zope*/README.Debian |
| 20:31.58 | maxo | hello everyone - does anyone know how I can stop APT from checking GPG signatures? |
| 20:32.06 | asg | phil: or the FAQ in there indicate how to do that. |
| 20:32.18 | phil | asg: already had a look there, but i couldn't find an answer |
| 20:32.31 | stew | phil: is the password stored in a database somewhere where you can retrieve it? may dpkg-reconfigure -plow ? |
| 20:32.43 | phil | dunno |
| 20:32.53 | phil | i know that i was prompted for it when installing zope |
| 20:33.09 | asg | stew: there is a util you need to use 'zpasswd' or somesuch |
| 20:33.11 | phil | but i don't know the exact package name for re-doing this with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:33.16 | asg | phil: hang on ... |
| 20:33.20 | phil | k |
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| 20:33.48 | noloK | asg, something like -vf expand maybe? |
| 20:34.20 | asg | phil: Starting/Accessing your Zope installation (item 6.) in sarge's Zope 2.7 FAQ. |
| 20:34.33 | asg | noloK: you can try it but I don't know personally. |
| 20:35.06 | stew | noloK: or try #mplayer |
| 20:35.15 | NixDix | on SARGE which firewall should i use or which is best! i need a simple one but high secure |
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| 20:35.36 | stew | !best |
| 20:35.37 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 20:35.42 | Guerin | NixDix: if you have to ask, it's already too late |
| 20:35.52 | stew | NixDix: what are you trying to firewall off? |
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| 20:36.41 | NixDix | maybe firestarter fits my needs |
| 20:36.47 | restrex | Do i need to use the bootstrap directory to build garnome? |
| 20:37.11 | asg | restrex: #gnome on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:37.26 | maxo | is there a way to stop APT checking gpg signatures because I can't install packages which don't have one at the moment? |
| 20:37.44 | streuner | maxo: How did you enable it? |
| 20:38.01 | maxo | and I've looked on google and it said to add Ignore {"gpg-pubkey"; }; to my apt.conf file but this hasn't helped |
| 20:38.08 | maxo | streuner: I didn't, it already was enabled |
| 20:38.25 | maxo | so I get stuff like: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#b7afc211) |
| 20:38.27 | streuner | strange, i never had that feature ... :-) |
| 20:38.47 | asg | streuner: me neither *shrug* |
| 20:38.52 | asg | maxo: what version of debian are you using? |
| 20:38.57 | nicholas_ | how do i boot an old kernel with PALO? |
| 20:39.20 | maxo | asg: at the moment I'm trying out apt-rpm |
| 20:39.36 | phil | asg: somehow this didn't help .. :/ though in entered a password and a user, this access-file is empty |
| 20:39.40 | streuner | maxo: so what do you use? |
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| 20:39.52 | asg | nicholas_: did typing 'how do i boot an old kernel with PALO' in google provide any info? |
| 20:39.54 | maxo | streuner: I'm experimenting with suse, but I'm not too sure about it yet |
| 20:40.00 | stew | nicholas_: whats PALO? |
| 20:40.15 | asg | stew: hppa boot firmware iirc |
| 20:40.20 | stew | ahh |
| 20:40.42 | gilles | Doesn somone know how to open a database and execute a function on a table with SQLite ? |
| 20:40.57 | gilles | with php |
| 20:41.01 | gilles | (sorry) |
| 20:41.02 | asg | phil: make sure you do it with a user who has rights to write that file (i.e. root.); make sure the file is then viewable by the user zope runs as (usually zope); restart zope. |
| 20:41.16 | asg | gilles: try #php |
| 20:41.28 | phil | asg: where do i have to put the file? |
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| 20:42.08 | Demon` | x won't load because of nvidia-glx, what can I do? |
| 20:42.20 | darkgamer20 | anyone got debian probs? |
| 20:42.27 | chugga | Demon`, install it? |
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| 20:42.51 | asg | phil: the directory where zope is installed, or the instance of zope you can't access. |
| 20:43.01 | asg | phil: #zope might also know more |
| 20:43.05 | Demon` | chugga: already did |
| 20:43.06 | Blissex | Demon`: you can disable the NVIDIA GLX stuff in the X config file |
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| 20:43.23 | asg | darkgamer20: no, check the bts if you do. |
| 20:43.29 | Blissex | Demon`: there is a long and detailed list of things at http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxNVIDIA.html |
| 20:43.31 | chugga | Demon`, k, what error are you getting |
| 20:43.36 | phil | asg: ok |
| 20:43.40 | maxo | ok thanks asg streuner I fixed it |
| 20:43.46 | darkgamer20 | ummm bts? |
| 20:43.53 | Blissex | Demon`: however, in order to use the 'nvidia_glx' package you need also to install the NVIDIA kernel drivers... |
| 20:43.58 | streuner | !bts |
| 20:43.58 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:43.59 | asg | phil: also, /usr/share/doc/zope*/SECURITY.txt has expanded coverage. |
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| 20:44.10 | darkgamer20 | thanks |
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| 20:44.48 | Demon` | Blissex ;,àùôãôdãôôùôù |
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| 20:45.20 | a_monkey | when i type "display" to start up imagemagick, i get this error: "display: unable to open X server `'." |
| 20:46.24 | chugga | a_monkey, starting it with a different user? |
| 20:46.41 | a_monkey | chugga, huh? |
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| 20:46.58 | Blissex | a_monkey: check the role of the 'DISPLAY' environment variable.... |
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| 20:47.24 | Blissex | anusaya: a_monkey: or check 'man xauth', which is what chugga really means... |
| 20:47.33 | Blissex | a_monkey: or check 'man xauth', which is what chugga really means... |
| 20:48.24 | asg | a_monkey: do you have X running? |
| 20:48.42 | _avatar | i'm thinking about installing debian on my box again, and am wondering if unstable has x.org yet? |
| 20:48.52 | asg | _avatar: no, /msg dpkg xorg |
| 20:48.54 | chugga | _avatar, no |
| 20:48.57 | _avatar | cheers |
| 20:49.01 | rapha | _avatar: Try Ubuntu |
| 20:49.05 | rapha | It's got x.org |
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| 20:50.16 | _avatar | i don't care for ubuntu much. i've run it on a few boxes. thanks though :) |
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| 20:50.50 | noloK | stew thanks, #mplayer helps me :) |
| 20:50.53 | chugga | _avatar, is there a compelling reason for running x.org? |
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| 20:51.05 | streuner | rapha: if you going to recommend other versions, just join to their channel, thanks. |
| 20:51.16 | streuner | s/versions/distros/ |
| 20:51.18 | _avatar | chugga: i've had better luck with my radeon mobility with x.org than xfree |
| 20:51.32 | chugga | Ah, i see |
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| 20:51.46 | a_monkey | asg: of course i have X running. |
| 20:52.01 | asg | a_monkey: are you running it as the same user you started X as? |
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| 20:52.11 | a_monkey | asg: yes |
| 20:52.37 | rapha | streuner: He was looking for x.org. And Ubuntu is a Debian-based distro that has it, so could be of interest to him. Apart from that, I don't remember knowing of any such rivalries within the OpenSource world, it must be a new thing for sure. But then let me think... #debian has got an award for being the most unfriendly and hostile Linux-related IRC channel this year, hasn't it? |
| 20:52.40 | asg | a_monkey: then try stracing it 'strace -s 512 disply' and see if you can see why it is failing. |
| 20:52.44 | salva | hola |
| 20:53.27 | chugga | rapha, word |
| 20:53.30 | Award | rapha: Get lost loser. |
| 20:53.33 | Award | rapha: ;) |
| 20:53.38 | _avatar | jesus, this place is just how i remember it |
| 20:53.39 | a_monkey | asg: i get a "strace: command not found" error |
| 20:53.43 | _avatar | now i remember why i switched to gentoo, later |
| 20:53.46 | asg | a_monkey: apt-get install strace |
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| 20:54.07 | streuner | rapha: well, debian-based OR not, we prefer debian here... |
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| 20:54.38 | rapha | streuner: Are you speaking for ever other person in this room as well? |
| 20:54.52 | totzilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.54 | slackd00d | ya |
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| 20:55.00 | lopuz | I have done the alsaconf, but i still get the error: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 20:55.03 | lopuz | why? |
| 20:55.13 | chugga | lopuz, because the device doesnt exist |
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| 20:55.23 | chugga | lopuz, try /etc/init.d/alsa start |
| 20:55.33 | lopuz | ok |
| 20:55.37 | Blissex | lopuz: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#troubleshooting |
| 20:55.45 | quittt | can I write NTFS? |
| 20:55.58 | chugga | quitt, no, and yes |
| 20:55.58 | Blissex | chugga: '/etc/init.d/alsa' only initializes ALSA, does not configure/install it... |
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| 20:56.09 | Blissex | quittt: not really, not reliably, not quickly. |
| 20:56.17 | chugga | bliss he said he ran alsaconf so maybe its configured :P |
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| 20:56.29 | a_monkey | 'strace -s 512 display' is giving me an enourmous output |
| 20:56.29 | Guerin | chugga: if you don't know, don't guess. |
| 20:56.30 | quittt | chugga, no and yes? |
| 20:56.36 | slackd00d | quittt: you can write to a file that already exists and that is the same size =) |
| 20:56.36 | chugga | !ntfs |
| 20:56.36 | dpkg | well, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 20:56.41 | Guerin | chugga: and you DON'T know. |
| 20:56.45 | resiak | chugga: To correct _avatar, Debian's xfree86 has backported all the new drivers from xorg, so that's not an advantage. |
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| 20:56.56 | chugga | Guerin, i do know. you need a special driver from a windows install |
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| 20:57.05 | chugga | if you have it, then you and do write fairly reliably.. |
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| 20:57.10 | Starfury^ | hmmm |
| 20:57.24 | Starfury^ | anyone having problems downloading packages from ftp.uk.debian.org? |
| 20:57.25 | gurubie | Guru's! Any recomendations for a buget linux compatible laptop for Debian with speed, 3D, and sharp screen? |
| 20:57.43 | resiak | Starfury^: Try a different mirror. |
| 20:57.46 | chugga | s/do/can |
| 20:57.56 | Demon` | I installed nvidia-glx and x-window-system, but x won't boot, it cries about not being able to work the nvidia driver |
| 20:57.58 | resiak | !captiventfs |
| 20:57.59 | Starfury^ | resiak: i would but i cant be bothered to edit my apt sources |
| 20:58.05 | a_monkey | asg, does strace's output ever end? |
| 20:58.06 | resiak | Starfury^: Oh ffs, it's three second's work. |
| 20:58.11 | Guerin | gurubie: cheap, good, fast: choose two. |
| 20:58.11 | Starfury^ | just wondering if its me or if its everyone |
| 20:58.15 | chugga | gurubie, http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 20:58.27 | Gumby | with so many gcc versions to choose, which is the recommended one? |
| 20:58.28 | resiak | Demon`: Did you build the nvidia kernel module? |
| 20:58.38 | resiak | !captiventfs is http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 20:58.38 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 20:58.39 | Starfury^ | resiak: it takes 3 seconds to change directory and load the file |
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| 20:58.56 | a_monkey | wierd. strace opened up "display". |
| 20:58.58 | Demon` | resiak: I couldn't get apt to download it, it claims there's no canidatte |
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| 20:59.06 | Demon` | unless it's in the stable release |
| 20:59.10 | Evon150 | does macromedia flash player work on debian? |
| 20:59.11 | resiak | Starfury^: perl -pi.bak -e 's{ftp.uk.debian.org}{mirror.ox.ac.uk}' /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:59.15 | Starfury^ | resiak: oh and regarding nvidia i ended up building it the way i have always done using the headers :) |
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| 20:59.20 | resiak | !tell Demon` about nvidia-howto |
| 20:59.26 | Evon150 | and to install it? |
| 20:59.32 | resiak | Starfury^: I'm not even going to get started on this again. |
| 20:59.34 | Starfury^ | and it worked perfectly |
| 20:59.35 | Starfury^ | :) |
| 20:59.39 | gurubie | Guerin: Point taken. It would help if I we didn't have to pay for freakin useless XPee! |
| 20:59.45 | streuner | rapha: well, imagine you have a car shop and you selling BMW, somebody came to your shop and says to other buy Mercedes, you told him not do that again, what would you think if he says you are unfriendly? |
| 20:59.52 | Demon` | resiak: thanks dude |
| 20:59.57 | resiak | Demon`: No problem. |
| 21:00.03 | gurubie | ..not that I'm biased. :) |
| 21:00.16 | a_monkey | can i go ahead and ctrl+c strace? |
| 21:00.20 | Starfury^ | or you can download the kernel headers and then just run the nvidia installer from a CLI |
| 21:00.25 | resiak | Starfury^: Shut up, please. |
| 21:00.28 | Starfury^ | lol |
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| 21:00.36 | resiak | Demon`: Please don't listen to Starfury^. The method that he's suggesting is NOT a good idea. |
| 21:00.40 | Starfury^ | surely it should be whatever works for you |
| 21:00.44 | paulswm | !lol |
| 21:00.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, lol is Loser On Line, good work paulswm, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 21:00.56 | Starfury^ | resiak: if its that bad then why have i never had a problem in a year of doing |
| 21:00.57 | Starfury^ | it |
| 21:01.05 | rockwilder | what file ist missing? ./firegl_public.c: required file is missing in build directory |
| 21:01.12 | resiak | Demon`: The method I showed you is easier, more reliable, and generally better. |
| 21:01.17 | Shay | where is the #debian LOL list? |
| 21:01.24 | resiak | Shay: There isn't one. |
| 21:01.32 | Starfury^ | resiak: i dont know about easier, i looked through that site and it was very longwinded |
| 21:01.37 | Shay | too big to be stored? |
| 21:01.37 | paulswm | dammit, I meant !lol Starfury^ |
| 21:01.37 | Shay | hehe |
| 21:01.47 | Starfury^ | and you havent answered my question |
| 21:01.50 | Starfury^ | resiak: if its that bad then why have i never had a problem in a year of doing |
| 21:02.06 | rapha | streuner: And this is exactly the point. This is OpenSource, this is Free Software. If people go ahead and begin treating it like a thing of capitalism it will stop being what it is, it will loose all that is great about it. |
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| 21:02.11 | Starfury^ | !lol Starfury^ |
| 21:02.16 | Starfury^ | there you go paulswm |
| 21:02.24 | paulswm | Heh |
| 21:02.24 | resiak | Starfury^: I'm not interested in arguing with you again. The method I recommend does work every time, and doesn't break, ever. It's easier. I don't want Demon` coming in here with a broken system. Please, just shut the fuck up. |
| 21:02.25 | Starfury^ | thing is i am already there |
| 21:02.28 | streuner | rapha: do that in #linux |
| 21:02.47 | rapha | streuner: and btw do I have set up a Debian box here as well, so you might not want to use the metaphore of me coming into a "foreign brand's shop". |
| 21:02.51 | chugga | has Demon consider the opensource nv driver? |
| 21:03.02 | resiak | Demon`: Have you, as chugga asks? |
| 21:03.44 | Starfury^ | resiak: excuse me? i am talkign to you as an adult asking for an explanation.... the way i do it has worked everytime (8 times now and counting) and its a LOT easier than yours (IN MY OPINION) and you respond with abuse and swearing.... real mature |
| 21:04.13 | rapha | streuner: What kind of problem is it that you have? Are you afraid there might be two or three lines too many spoken here? Or do you fear loosing yet another frustrated Debian user to another distribution. Tell you what: don't worry. Because Debian has got its place in the world like everything else has, and it is not going to go away so soon. |
| 21:04.29 | caphuso | Starfury^: no, your way has never can't possibly work, as dozens of people have pointed out hundreds of times in the past few years over and over again |
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| 21:04.44 | resiak | caphuso: It's not worth it :) |
| 21:05.06 | Guerin | Starfury^: opinions are like arseholes, and you appear to have a very ugly one. |
| 21:05.08 | caphuso | Starfury^: but every odd week we get another moron who hasn't bothered to actually look at the problem come here and tell everyone else how wrong they are. this times it's you |
| 21:05.36 | Phated | Starfury^: You had to install Debian (and corresponding nvidia drivers) 8 times in a year? Real reliable. |
| 21:05.42 | Starfury^ | caphuso: what have I got to gain by lieing, I upgrade my kernel, I then download the headers for that kernel, reboot X doesnt start, i log in to the CLI and run the installer for nvidia, that runs builds the drivers, i reboot and it all works |
| 21:05.56 | resiak | Starfury^: That's _easy_? |
| 21:05.56 | Starfury^ | Phated: no i havent had to reinstall debian ever, |
| 21:05.57 | caphuso | Starfury^: see, that's not "working", that's fucked up |
| 21:06.08 | Phated | And... 8 times in a year? |
| 21:06.12 | Starfury^ | resiak: yeah |
| 21:06.28 | Phated | WHy would you need to do that if you hadn't had to reinstall Debian? New drivers just for fun? |
| 21:06.31 | caphuso | Starfury^: and you tell other people the fuck up their system, which is not only stupid but also very, very rude and certainly not "mature" at all |
| 21:06.45 | Starfury^ | Phated: errr no, 8 kernel revision, |
| 21:06.59 | Starfury^ | each time i change the kernel i have to rerun the nvidia installer |
| 21:07.05 | caphuso | Starfury^: so, how about you go and tell both resiak and Demon` that you are sorry and try to behave better next time |
| 21:07.17 | Phated | 8 times in a year? Why the heck would you need a new kernel 8 times in one year? |
| 21:07.27 | Starfury^ | caphuso: i ahvent suggested anyone do this, i am jsut saying that it works fine for me, and ask why i am being given abuse for stating that |
| 21:07.36 | Phated | Actually... After seeing his logic, I don't want to know why. |
| 21:07.50 | scarynetworkguy | Should be good for a laugh. |
| 21:08.03 | scarynetworkguy | Starfury^: WTF did you get *8* kernels in a year? |
| 21:08.21 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: if you run Sid, that's not too incommon |
| 21:08.25 | toresbe | s/in/un |
| 21:08.29 | anusaya | incidentally, where is the nvidia howto for debian? |
| 21:08.38 | resiak | !tell anusaya about nvidia-howto |
| 21:08.47 | anusaya | resiak: thanks |
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| 21:09.33 | Phated | toresbe: But you don't actually need new kernels. I mean, for security, yes, but beyond that...? |
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| 21:09.49 | toresbe | Phated: device support? |
| 21:10.06 | caphuso | toresbe: for the same computer? |
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| 21:10.12 | caphuso | nonsense |
| 21:10.15 | toresbe | caphuso: yeah, actually |
| 21:10.15 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: In this case it seems that the new kernels are breaking device support. |
| 21:10.21 | Phated | toresbe: Same computer... |
| 21:10.23 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: true |
| 21:10.33 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: Of course it is. |
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| 21:10.40 | a_monkey | has anyone tried pmming dpkg and typing random things? dpkg knows *everything*! |
| 21:10.41 | Phated | toresbe: He says he's never had to reinstall. Thus his first kernel should have worked for the computer we speak of. For a year. |
| 21:10.52 | toresbe | this was on my laptop, though, not exactly a production server |
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| 21:11.00 | Phated | a_monkey: Yeah, no shit. Over 20000 factoids can't be wrong. |
| 21:11.01 | resiak | a_monkey: Yes, he does. Yes, we know. |
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| 21:12.01 | Starfury^ | Phated: brb food |
| 21:12.08 | Phated | Starfury^: Please choke and die. |
| 21:12.33 | toresbe | I had ACPI problems on early 2.6, 2.4 (which it came installed with) just didn't work, and I needed 2.6.5 and up for the prism card I got |
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| 21:12.52 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Starfury^ about away |
| 21:12.52 | Phated | paulswm: I don't give a shit. (if he dies) |
| 21:13.14 | a_monkey | just curious, how do i create a bot like dpkg for my channel? |
| 21:13.29 | scarynetworkguy | a_monkey: He's a blootbot google on it. |
| 21:13.30 | Phated | Your channel? What, #monkey? |
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| 21:13.34 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 21:13.47 | streuner | a_monkey: /msg dpkg what are you? |
| 21:13.54 | toresbe | plus, on stuff that can feel free to break as much as it pleases, I'm a cutting-edge slut |
| 21:13.57 | rockwilder | what file ist missing? ./firegl_public.c: required file is missing in build directory |
| 21:14.00 | streuner | a_monkey: its in debian... |
| 21:14.04 | rockwilder | wich |
| 21:14.08 | toresbe | (doing CVS releases of stuff, etc) |
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| 21:14.14 | rockwilder | t |
| 21:14.23 | resiak | a_monkey: The version in Debian is kinda old, though. |
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| 21:15.05 | resiak | a_monkey: They're easy enough to set up and run. blootbot.sf.net. |
| 21:15.13 | punkrockguy318 | how do I switch the dpkg configuaration from dialog to gnome? |
| 21:15.33 | streuner | punkrockguy318: tried 'dpkg-reconfigure dialog'? |
| 21:15.49 | ghent | hello, is there a way to find out if there is a module compiled for my raid card in the 2.4.27 from woody ? |
| 21:15.55 | punkrockguy318 | streuner, no, that's not what I mean |
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| 21:16.11 | Phated | dpkg-reconfigure debconf? |
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| 21:16.28 | punkrockguy318 | Phated, thanks, just what i needed |
| 21:16.30 | streuner | punkrockguy318: ^^^ |
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| 21:16.42 | noid2 | good evening |
| 21:16.59 | noid2 | is there any good config tools for bind9 ? |
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| 21:17.51 | jdhutchin1 | noid2, vi? emacs? |
| 21:18.03 | stew | ghent: 2.4.27 isn't in woody |
| 21:18.20 | ghent | stego, i meant sarge sorry |
| 21:18.42 | stew | ghent: google is going to be your best bet |
| 21:18.47 | stew | ghent: what card? |
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| 21:19.01 | noid2 | stew: yes but i am having a hell of a time understanding the config files |
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| 21:19.23 | stew | noid2: #dns |
| 21:19.31 | ghent | stew, it's what i'm doing with no luck, the card is sil680, i'm having a "cannot open dev/console" when booting |
| 21:19.41 | noid2 | stew: i am alrady there ...:) |
| 21:19.46 | chugga | hmm the mepis dpkg factoid is interesting |
| 21:19.58 | chugga | "It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt." |
| 21:20.16 | chugga | do ppl really care that debian based distros use apt repositories? |
| 21:20.27 | Phated | Yes, they do. |
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| 21:20.38 | chugga | Phated, i dont understand. Why? |
| 21:20.46 | Phated | Because then they break their distros because of some funky config and then they whine in here instead of in their own channels. |
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| 21:20.52 | Phated | Wait, this is chugga. |
| 21:20.57 | stew | ghent: is your root on the raid? i'm not sure how that error message is related |
| 21:21.11 | ghent | stew, yes and i loaded initrd |
| 21:21.15 | chugga | Phated, oh. you cant resist me :P |
| 21:22.24 | factor | guess asg is gone. |
| 21:22.31 | factor | or ot here. |
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| 21:23.17 | factor | looks like the gnome-pamle problem was text file that was unlinmk to the filesystem(xfs) run the xfs_repair prog and fixed it. |
| 21:23.45 | stew | ghent: if it couldn't mount your root fs you would get a "VFS: could not mount root fs" or something |
| 21:24.54 | lopuz | Is there a wolfenstein enemy territory package for debian? |
| 21:25.11 | a_monkey | what's a dbi perl module? |
| 21:25.13 | lopuz | or is this the wrong place to ask? |
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| 21:25.57 | ghent | stew, no that's the strange thing, i only have this message and nothing about my card while probing pci bus |
| 21:26.05 | chealer | lopuz: is it a free game? |
| 21:26.13 | lopuz | chealer: yes, it is |
| 21:26.30 | stew | ghent: well it should show up in a pci probe whether there is a driver or not |
| 21:26.44 | lopuz | it's a free online game based on RTCW |
| 21:27.01 | chugga | !bless |
| 21:27.01 | dpkg | Oh $DEITY, bless our child chugga, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 21:27.29 | ghent | stew, it's not :( |
| 21:28.36 | Roadrunne | hi, how can i configure debian to send mails for root to a specific external mail address? |
| 21:28.48 | caphuso | Roadrunne: /etc/aliases |
| 21:29.23 | chugga | "I essentially started using Gentoo because my ....ing KDE clock would never show the right time in Red Hat." |
| 21:29.28 | chugga | hahahah.. this site is great |
| 21:30.00 | Myren | "sitting back on your laurels" is a valid english expression, is it not? |
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| 21:30.07 | chugga | Myren, yeah |
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| 21:30.16 | zinx | lopuz: i don't think it can be legally distributed by debian, in debian package form |
| 21:30.17 | Myren | even though laurels are trees or coins? |
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| 21:30.28 | zinx | lopuz: since the user has to read/agree to the license |
| 21:30.38 | lopuz | hum |
| 21:30.44 | dort | resting on your laurels is the way i've heard it expressed |
| 21:30.50 | Phated | Resting, yes. |
| 21:30.56 | zinx | lopuz: it installs everything to one directory anyway |
| 21:30.59 | paulswm | Myren: not really, the expression is "Resting on your laurels" |
| 21:31.04 | lopuz | yeah |
| 21:31.10 | chugga | bollocks |
| 21:31.11 | Roadrunne | caphuso: thx. i'll try it. can i configure exim to send mails outgoing but not to accept mails (and not open port25)? |
| 21:31.12 | lopuz | wont do to much damage |
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| 21:31.22 | caphuso | Roadrunne: yes |
| 21:31.41 | Phated | Laurels were used by the greeks for rewarding their best athletes; resting on your laurels, thus being smug/complacent about your victories. |
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| 21:31.53 | Phated | And a perfectly reasonable expression. |
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| 21:32.20 | paulswm | Myren: Laurel crowns were awarded to winners in the original Greeek games, so the expression means to depend on past successes |
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| 21:32.27 | paulswm | s/eee/ee |
| 21:32.52 | chugga | scarynetworkguy, how |
| 21:32.56 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 21:33.34 | Myren | hm, excellent. i need to find that old "book of sayings" again sometime |
| 21:33.40 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: My packets apprear to be the slowest though. |
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| 21:33.55 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Heh. |
| 21:33.58 | Phated | Visit IRC, get a free definition! (For a limited time only.) |
| 21:34.12 | scarynetworkguy | *nice* |
| 21:34.12 | scorphus | hi, how do I know which sound system is installed on my box ALSA or OSS? |
| 21:34.17 | Phated | ie, while Phated and paulswm remain around to throw out completely unasked for ones. |
| 21:34.32 | paulswm | Phated: :D |
| 21:34.32 | Roadrunne | caphuso: hm, exim is trying to send that mail, but the remote mailserver doesn't accept it, because it's from an dial-up account. can i set up a smtp-account to use for outgoing mail? |
| 21:34.38 | Phated | paulswm: :) |
| 21:34.44 | Myren | thanks for the reply Phated & paulswm, btw |
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| 21:34.50 | caphuso | Roadrunne: yes |
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| 21:34.52 | streuner | scorphus: run 'lsmod' if you find some modules which starts 'snd-foo' you run ALSA |
| 21:34.58 | caphuso | Roadrunne: the keyword is "smarthost" |
| 21:35.03 | Phated | Pft, we pedantics love throwing out random snippets of info. |
| 21:35.05 | scarynetworkguy | And today only you can get a security rant to go with your defination. One per customer. |
| 21:35.07 | paulswm | Myren: You are most welcome, and so polite :) |
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| 21:35.15 | sorieta | hi... |
| 21:35.22 | restrex | hi :) |
| 21:35.27 | sorieta | how can i do a floppy disk bott? |
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| 21:35.30 | sorieta | *boot? |
| 21:35.34 | Roadrunne | caphuso: in exim, or a package? |
| 21:35.35 | Phated | Insert disk, boot. |
| 21:35.43 | caphuso | Roadrunne: in exim |
| 21:35.48 | chugga | "I don't think that Debian can really compete with Gentoo. Sure it might be okay, but when it comes to dependencies, you probably are still going to have to get them all on your own. Or is there something like portage in the Debian world as well?" |
| 21:35.49 | pwn4ge | i have a box with apache2 set up behind another box with a fairly strict ebtables firewall, some people cant get the the web site but others can |
| 21:35.57 | sorieta | Phated, sorry? |
| 21:36.05 | Roadrunne | caphuso: ok, i'll read the man |
| 21:36.13 | caphuso | Roadrunne: no, you dont |
| 21:36.17 | caphuso | err, don't |
| 21:36.18 | Phated | "insert disk, boot". That isn't complicated. |
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| 21:36.23 | pwn4ge | and i know for sure its something wrong with my firewall, because when i turn off the firewall everyone can access the site |
| 21:36.41 | skip_ | help pls somebody, I have a problem with k3b |
| 21:36.51 | Seb | pwn4ge: why do you use ebtables ? |
| 21:36.52 | chugga | skip_, yeh ok, whats the problem |
| 21:36.55 | pwn4ge | i cant seem to figure out what the problem is, because i'm allowing all traffic on port 80 |
| 21:36.58 | scorphus | !guidelines |
| 21:36.58 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't repeat questions. Read and grow; show growth in new questions. 3) Reading technical documentation is a skill, please persevere, it's worth it. 4) If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later. 5) Please use /msg to talk to the bots. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood, not here. 8) Don't use colours or bold, do not run scripts. 9) No Trolls. 10) see <msg> |
| 21:37.02 | sorieta | Phated, boot is not a valid comand |
| 21:37.14 | scarynetworkguy | Well the disk *does* have to go in right side up. |
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| 21:37.29 | skip_ | chugga: I can't burn to DVD. I can create a new DVD project and the burning process says it was successful, but nothing was written to disc |
| 21:37.30 | pwn4ge | Seb: because i wanted to run a firewall on my bridge box |
| 21:37.30 | scarynetworkguy | sorieta: Push the power button. After all you are reinstaling. |
| 21:37.37 | Phated | sorieta: No, see, "boot" is a verb, meaning "shutdown -r now". |
| 21:38.11 | Roadrunne | caphuso: i not read it yet, but i'll do it now with knowing to search for smarthost... thx |
| 21:38.21 | pwn4ge | Seb: i suppose i could use iptables, but is it any better than ebtables? |
| 21:38.23 | chugga | skip_, is it doing some kind of test recording? |
| 21:38.30 | sorieta | i wanna make a floppy boot with my 2.6.10 kernel. |
| 21:38.36 | caphuso | Roadrunne: 1) run "eximconfig" and 2) the exim man page doesn't cover the configuration |
| 21:38.41 | skip_ | chugga: not as far as I can tell |
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| 21:38.54 | Seb | pwn4ge: it's simpler... iS your bridge a transparent bridge ? Or does it have an IP ? |
| 21:39.00 | pingouin | is the Suspend To Ram setting in the bios have effect under linux ? (STR) with the apm/acpi ? |
| 21:39.03 | skip_ | chugga: the whole write process takes only a few seconds, which is not right |
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| 21:39.22 | Seb | skip_: tried dvdrecord ? |
| 21:39.25 | Lynoure | hi |
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| 21:39.50 | skip_ | Seb: is that a command line thing or from within k3b? |
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| 21:40.01 | Seb | skip_: command-line |
| 21:40.05 | chugga | skip_, sorry, dont have any experience with dvd stuff in k3b |
| 21:40.14 | pwn4ge | Seb: it has an ip |
| 21:40.15 | Roadrunne | caphuso: ok. thx. |
| 21:40.18 | scorphus | streuner: hi, thanks for reply. could you please take a look to the output of lsmod on #flood? |
| 21:40.24 | pwn4ge | Seb: otherwise i couldn't ssh to it :) |
| 21:40.27 | skip_ | ok, thanks ppl |
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| 21:40.54 | Seb | pwn4ge: then you could use iptables. Do you "keep state" on your rule allowing incoming 80 ? |
| 21:41.05 | skip_ | I think it might be a permissions problem. When I drag the file to copy, it has a padlock symbol on it |
| 21:41.12 | Seb | or does ebtables not support that ? |
| 21:41.17 | pwn4ge | Seb: i'm not sure, what is "keep state" ? |
| 21:41.25 | Seb | pwn4ge: read the netfiler docs |
| 21:41.27 | mne | hi ! I need some irc XDCC linux application. I trief XDCC-fetch, but unfortunately the linux version seems to alpha and doesn't work for me. |
| 21:41.29 | pwn4ge | Seb: i do allow incoming port 80 |
| 21:41.51 | Seb | pwn4ge: heard the term "stateful firewall" before ? |
| 21:42.00 | Lynoure | Anybody know where to get a slightly newer maradns for woody than the one that comes with it? |
| 21:42.16 | Guerin | Lynoure: backports.org? |
| 21:42.17 | Seb | pwn4ge: you do want to read the netfilter docs |
| 21:42.29 | Seb | skip_: tried dvdrecord ? |
| 21:42.51 | mne | skip_, what's the problem with your k3b and dvds ? |
| 21:43.17 | Lynoure | Guarin: I might be blind with grief, but I couldn't see maradns there at all |
| 21:43.33 | pwn4ge | Seb: i have been reading them alot lately, but i guess i havent read enough :) |
| 21:43.39 | skip_ | mne: I can't write to DVD. I can create a new DVD project but the burn process takes only a few seconds. It finishes successfully but nothing is written to disc |
| 21:43.44 | stew | Lynoure: you might need to backport it yourself, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:43.45 | Seb | Lynoure: i think he just suggested it might be there :) Tried apt-get.org ? |
| 21:44.06 | Lynoure | Guarin: I know at least a slightly newer version exists already... had it until the raid failed and washed my server away |
| 21:44.15 | mne | skip_, strange. Did you try to start it from the shell so that you can see error messages that are printed out ? |
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| 21:44.36 | skip_ | mne: no, I'll try that now |
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| 21:45.43 | Lynoure | Seb: not there either, it seems. Perhaps I'll be naughtly/impatient and run unstable on a production machine... |
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| 21:46.07 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite Lynoure |
| 21:46.16 | paulswm | !beat Lynoure for considering running sid on a production machine |
| 21:46.32 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: race condition again |
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| 21:46.40 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Heh. |
| 21:46.40 | a_monkey | how do i set up printing support? |
| 21:46.48 | Lynoure | paulswm: I have been beaten enough already today... nothing feels like anyhting anymore |
| 21:46.52 | a_monkey | by default, trying to print a document doesn't work. |
| 21:46.56 | Seb | paulswm: you need to talk to your ISP, those slow packets are not tolerable :> |
| 21:47.21 | paulswm | Seb: I know, and I'm on a 5Mbit connection! |
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| 21:47.39 | Seb | paulswm: threaten to sue ! |
| 21:47.51 | skip_ | mne: only error was 'ERROR: (KFileItem) lstat failed.' |
| 21:48.22 | Seb | skip_: try burning some other file, one you have access to for sure |
| 21:48.28 | paulswm | Lynoure: Yes I see that you are blind with gried, I feel for you really |
| 21:48.44 | mne | skip_, hmm, don't know what lstat is. I'll have a look for it at google :) |
| 21:48.56 | skip_ | Seb: strangely, I can burn an ISO image, but can't burn files to the DVD, if you know what I mean |
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| 21:49.06 | paulswm | Seb: the thing is that scarynetworkguy has a turbocharged keyboard |
| 21:49.28 | Seb | skip_: you can burn an iso to a DVD ? |
| 21:49.37 | skip_ | Seb: yes |
| 21:49.40 | paulswm | grif I mean |
| 21:49.41 | Lynoure | paulswm: It's mostly my stupidity. On anyone elses server I would not have neglected backups so and trusted the isp raid... Result, lost 20 megs of business emails + about everything else minus the website design |
| 21:49.43 | paulswm | grief |
| 21:49.44 | Seb | paulswm: i heard those are expensive ;) |
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| 21:50.16 | Seb | skip_: then try burning some other file, as I said |
| 21:50.32 | mne | skip_, man lstat says that it gets the status of a file. do you get the same error message if you try to burn a cd ? |
| 21:50.45 | paulswm | Lynoure: IT people are the worst at backing up their *own* stuff |
| 21:50.46 | skip_ | Seb: ok |
| 21:50.57 | skip_ | mne: haven't tried a CD yet |
| 21:51.36 | a_monkey | when i try to open up the "Printing" system tool, i get an error saying that the CUPS server could not be contacted. |
| 21:51.43 | Lynoure | paulswm: I'm not officially an it person anymore :) Or at least the business isn't (I'm weird, I do costuming&corsets for living and IT stuff for fun) |
| 21:51.43 | Roadrunne | caphuso: where to set the login information for the remote SMTP host in exim? |
| 21:51.49 | a_monkey | maybe i need to install CUPS? |
| 21:52.08 | caphuso | Roadrunne: apt-get install exim-doc && infobrowser exim |
| 21:52.08 | Evon150 | what is the channel for general bullshit questions about linux |
| 21:52.13 | paulswm | Lynoure: well you have a more balanced life than me; I do IT tech stuff for a living and for fun :) |
| 21:52.16 | Seb | a_monkey: how did you come up with this fancy conclusion ? :> |
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| 21:52.34 | Seb | Evon150: if it's not distro-specific you might try your luck here |
| 21:52.44 | Roadrunne | caphuso: thx. |
| 21:52.47 | mne | skip_, well, then trying to burn some other file might be a good idea. could be that the failing lstat() makes constructing a iso9660 image impossible ... youst a thought |
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| 21:52.49 | a_monkey | how do i install CUPS? apt-get install cups gives me an error saying that there is no package called `cups'. |
| 21:52.50 | deeeed | hey |
| 21:52.52 | paulswm | Evon150: #linux I think |
| 21:53.03 | deeeed | i really need help with apache tomcat :( |
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| 21:53.09 | Seb | a_monkey: apt-cache search cups |
| 21:53.10 | deeeed | it does want to run :( |
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| 21:53.19 | Evon150 | ok Kde based on Qt and Gnome is not or am i wrong here |
| 21:53.22 | deeeed | i follow many doc but nothing works |
| 21:53.22 | Seb | deeeed: then let it run |
| 21:53.33 | deeeed | Seb: did you use it ? |
| 21:53.46 | deeeed | i try with default installation |
| 21:53.52 | deeeed | to run tomcat4 |
| 21:54.07 | deeeed | but there are some errors when i launch it |
| 21:54.07 | Seb | deeeed: i have set it up before, it's fairly straightforward. How does it not run ? |
| 21:54.08 | Lynoure | paulswm: I wish I did more it stuff for fun, but I cannot find a paircoding pair (see above... yep, weird) |
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| 21:54.20 | deeeed | Seb: i see a lot of errors in log |
| 21:54.32 | deeeed | Apache Tomcat/4.1 |
| 21:54.32 | deeeed | Catalina.start: LifecycleException: Context startup failed due to previous errors |
| 21:54.32 | deeeed | LifecycleException: Context startup failed due to previous errors |
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| 21:54.44 | Seb | deeeed: i didn't ask you to paste |
| 21:55.01 | Seb | and if you paste, at least you could paste something that doesn't refer to a "previous error" for chrissake |
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| 21:55.29 | deeeed | but i don't see theses previous errors ;) |
| 21:56.01 | paulswm | I think I'm having a LifecycleException myself. Oh, wait a minute, I don't have a life. |
| 21:56.11 | deeeed | hmm i will paste it on a paste site ;) |
| 21:56.12 | Seb | deeeed: then ask google |
| 21:56.18 | deeeed | Seb: for sure i did |
| 21:57.34 | skip_ | ok, burning to CD works |
| 21:57.48 | mne | skip_, the same file(s) ? |
| 21:57.53 | skip_ | mne: yes |
| 21:58.00 | mne | skip_, still get the lstat error ? |
| 21:58.11 | skip_ | mne: nope |
| 21:58.12 | deeeed | Seb: http://rafb.net/paste/results/WVW1wU22.html can you look at this ? |
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| 21:59.46 | a_monkey | there doesn't seem to be a main CUPS package. |
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| 21:59.57 | a_monkey | anyone know how to install the core of CUPS? |
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| 22:00.17 | valdyn_ | a_monkey: cupsys and you likely want cupsys-bsd too |
| 22:00.26 | jordo23 | Is there a way to install java and flash browser plugins through apt or dpkg? |
| 22:00.55 | restrex | eys |
| 22:00.57 | restrex | eys |
| 22:00.59 | restrex | yes |
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| 22:01.42 | mne | a_monkey, apt-cache search cupsys. maybe you'll need some printer driver like hpoj too |
| 22:02.05 | valdyn_ | jordo23: apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 22:02.16 | valdyn_ | !java package |
| 22:02.20 | jordo23 | valdyn_: what about firefox and konq? |
| 22:02.34 | mne | jordo23, you will eventually need some additional sources (sources.list) for java |
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| 22:02.53 | valdyn_ | jordo23: both can use mozilla plugins |
| 22:03.06 | dnobles | hello all |
| 22:03.07 | jordo23 | vladyn_: that package wasn't found. |
| 22:03.08 | valdyn_ | jordo23: firefox will use that by default, i dont know about konq |
| 22:03.19 | restrex | konq sucks |
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| 22:03.25 | restrex | :) |
| 22:03.42 | deeeed | Seb: an idea ? |
| 22:03.43 | jordo23 | restrex: what do you like? |
| 22:03.45 | valdyn_ | jordo23: get java-package from sid, read the docs, install the package you create, that will include a browser plugin |
| 22:03.59 | restrex | jordo23 firefox :) |
| 22:04.29 | jvw | java-package nowadays is in sarge too, vtw |
| 22:04.30 | jvw | btw |
| 22:04.39 | Seb | deeeed: what part of "Document base /var/lib/tomcat4/webapps/tomca |
| 22:04.40 | valdyn_ | jvw: i see |
| 22:04.41 | Seb | t-docs does not exist or is not a readable directory" |
| 22:04.50 | Seb | ... is it you don't understand ? |
| 22:04.59 | deeeed | Seb: i tried to get uid 0 for tomcat4 user |
| 22:05.16 | deeeed | lol |
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| 22:05.19 | Seb | deeeed: how about using chmod ? |
| 22:05.21 | chealer | !tell jordo23 about flash |
| 22:05.35 | Seb | deeeed: ain't nothing funny, why that fuck didn't you say right away that you had a permisions problem ? |
| 22:05.36 | valdyn_ | !flash |
| 22:05.36 | dpkg | it has been said that flash is If you want the flashplayer browser plugin, go to http://www.flash.com and follow the instructions there. Or look at the flashplugin-nonfree package, or most flash crap you see is from banner ads, and very little of it actual real and potentially interesting content. get yourself some object blocking/filtering extensions in your favourite browser |
| 22:05.47 | toubsu | where do you see the driver for eth0? |
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| 22:06.22 | Seb | i'm not sure how to find that out :) |
| 22:06.36 | deeeed | Seb: nothing but i thought it could be a right problem |
| 22:06.37 | neoneo | Hello people does anyone know a way to sync my pocketpc with debian kpilot doest see the pocketpc but usbview does |
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| 22:06.55 | Seb | neoneo: #kde ? |
| 22:07.06 | neoneo | Seb: Yes |
| 22:07.14 | neoneo | thnx |
| 22:07.45 | Seb | deeeed: use chmod, and make an effort to provide accurate information when you seek help |
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| 22:07.56 | mne | toubsu, I'm just looking through /proc , it's possible that the aswer is somewhere in there :)) |
| 22:08.48 | deeeed | Seb: sorry but i have some problems with my english ... what do you recommend me to have tomcat working correctly ? |
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| 22:09.04 | toubsu | mne: somewhere in /etc you can change the config, for example from 3com 509 to 905 |
| 22:09.24 | Seb | deeeed: chmod 777 /var/... (the directory it's complaining about) |
| 22:09.26 | Seb | sheee |
| 22:09.30 | cahoot | apt-listbugs errors out here on srage - can't find any mention of this on bts - local error or noticed by others? |
| 22:09.45 | Thaiger | I had ALSA working and I recompiled my kernel now it doesn't work and I only changed one thing my kernel .config and that was a usb driver does anyone know how to get alsa working again? |
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| 22:10.00 | Seb | Thaiger: recompile the alsa modules |
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| 22:10.40 | mne | mhmm, have to go ... have a nice day/night :) |
| 22:10.45 | Thaiger | Seb: Recompile even though I used apt-get to get them before? |
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| 22:10.53 | a_monkey | i configured a printer using gnome's "Printer" system tool. but when i tried to print a test page, nothing happened. |
| 22:11.04 | a_monkey | anybody know what's happening? |
| 22:11.07 | vwirem | I have a package that it it broken (but works perfectly). Is there any way to stop apt from removing it and stop complaining? |
| 22:11.22 | jordo23 | Does anyone know a website that archives .deb files? |
| 22:11.31 | chealer | vwirem: reinstall it? |
| 22:11.34 | deeeed | Seb: ... |
| 22:11.39 | chealer | !snapshot |
| 22:11.39 | dpkg | debian snapshot is, like, http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 22:11.44 | soreata | can anybody tell me how to do a floppy a boot disk ? |
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| 22:13.49 | deeeed | Seb: as you said it's not a right problem so what sort of problem is it ? |
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| 22:16.43 | jordo23 | Does anyone know where I can get a .deb file to install browser plugins? |
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| 22:19.16 | CraigDu | hello. by default on desktop install of sarge, what starts xscreensaver? It only starts for a user not for root. I've looked just about everywhere i can think of. I'm noting using xdm or gdm |
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| 22:21.29 | chealer | what's the default DE under woody? was there even one? |
| 22:21.44 | SolitaryGeek | Hi, I am installing Debian Woody on my Dell Insprion 1100. It's having trouble with X-Windows. I was told to use i810... X-Windows is not starting. |
| 22:22.00 | slackd00d | SolitaryGeek: use vesa |
| 22:22.02 | valdyn_ | !d-i SolitaryGeek |
| 22:22.02 | dpkg | SolitaryGeek, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:22.21 | slackd00d | o woody..ewww =) |
| 22:22.28 | valdyn_ | SolitaryGeek: thats only if you're not setting up a critical server |
| 22:22.34 | Thaiger | I went into my /etc/init.d and did an alsa start but all I get is "Setting up ALSA...done (not loaded)" What does that mean? |
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| 22:22.51 | SolitaryGeek | valdyn: wht is !d-i? |
| 22:23.05 | valdyn_ | SolitaryGeek: made dpkg say what it said, read it |
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| 22:24.12 | paulswm | SolitaryGeek: I'm running sarge on exactly the same model as you, install sarge |
| 22:24.47 | CraigDu | does anyone know? |
| 22:24.51 | paulswm | SolitaryGeek: better to start off with a fresh net install, as you are just installing anyway |
| 22:25.00 | SolitaryGeek | paulswm: I really can |
| 22:25.06 | SolitaryGeek | n't. |
| 22:25.36 | SolitaryGeek | paulswm: I'm on a dialup connection and I kept our line busy for almost 3 days downloading it. |
| 22:25.52 | deeeed | Seb: ok it's good now it runs correctly |
| 22:26.03 | CraigDu | hello. by default on desktop install of sarge, what starts xscreensaver? It only starts for a user not for root. I've looked just about everywhere i can think of. I'm noting using xdm or gdm |
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| 22:26.40 | paulswm | Ah. well then good luck. But it's sarge you should be running, woody doesn't always play well with hardware that's news than it is. |
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| 22:26.44 | Seb | deeeed: you're welcome :) |
| 22:26.49 | dasunt | I have a problem: I can't load module es1370 (for a soundcard): It fails silently. |
| 22:26.50 | paulswm | s/news/newer/ |
| 22:27.13 | Seb | dasunt: nah, with modprobe, silence => success |
| 22:27.19 | b0ef | I'm interested in the nptl issue problem that some debian distros had; any pointers that describes this problem? |
| 22:27.28 | Seb | dasunt: modprobe es1370 && echo success :) |
| 22:27.30 | dasunt | Seb: If so, why isn't it showing up in lsmod? |
| 22:27.55 | skip_ | ok, why can't I umount a usbflash devive? I can mount it ok but umount says the device is busy... |
| 22:28.09 | dasunt | modprobe es1370 && (lsmod | grep es) => silence |
| 22:28.15 | zinx | because something has it as a working directory, most likely |
| 22:28.21 | zinx | lsof /mount/point |
| 22:28.44 | CraigDu | hello can someone help me? |
| 22:29.00 | skip_ | zinx: returns nothing |
| 22:29.16 | vwirem | chealer, Isn' t there any to way to just force apt to think that it is not broken? |
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| 22:29.22 | stew | CraigDu: xscreensaver wont run as root, read the manpage |
| 22:29.37 | quittt | how put graphical boot in Debian? |
| 22:29.51 | dasunt | Seb: Stumped ya, huh? |
| 22:30.20 | CraigDu | stew: ok good i dont want it to run at all. i wanna know what is starting it when i log in as a user. I looked in Xsession but its not there. where else might it be? |
| 22:30.32 | CraigDu | stew: by default in sarge where is it started? |
| 22:30.36 | skip_ | zinx: correction...running that as su returns a bunch of directories on the flash drive |
| 22:30.40 | Seb | dasunt: no, my point was to see if modprobe returned 0 |
| 22:31.00 | abouttogocrazy | ok maybe someone can help me, trying to install with debian-installer, and it doest pick my IDE drive, if i use another kernel it picks it up fine, but it doesnt mount the ramdisk...... |
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| 22:31.10 | chealer | vwirem: I don't know, but you may be better getting apt to recognize it's ok by itself |
| 22:31.24 | abouttogocrazy | oh an im using netinst booting from PXE |
| 22:31.24 | stew | CraigDu: its probably started by your DE |
| 22:31.31 | Seb | dasunt: your test's sielnce could be triggered by 2 possible outcomes |
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| 22:31.51 | CraigDu | stew: where would i look then? im kinda new at this? |
| 22:32.24 | stew | CraigDu: what desktop environment / window manager are you using? |
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| 22:32.37 | CraigDu | stew: i use gnome on xfree86 |
| 22:32.45 | dasunt | Seb: I found it. |
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| 22:33.03 | dasunt | /etc/modutils/alsa-base had "alias es1370 off" |
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| 22:33.11 | dasunt | Uncommented that line, ran sudo update-modules |
| 22:33.15 | stew | CraigDu: it would be in the gnome-control-center if my memory serves |
| 22:33.16 | Seb | dasunt: k |
| 22:33.19 | florg | hi, how can i remove the menus from Eterm? To comment out the respective lines in /usr/share/Eterm/themes/Eterm/theme.cfg doesn't help anymore... |
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| 22:33.28 | Seb | dasunt: I still wanna know what RC modprobe returned, though :) |
| 22:33.37 | dasunt | Seb: RC? |
| 22:33.40 | Seb | return code |
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| 22:34.14 | dasunt | Seb: Try "sudo modprobe off && echo 'success'" |
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| 22:34.40 | stew | dasunt: or sudo modprobe off ; echo $? |
| 22:34.49 | kryptech | I am trying to install sarge but when I reboot the machine after I put the first disk in and install it just sits there |
| 22:35.00 | kryptech | it does not ask me to further configure it |
| 22:35.15 | kryptech | anyone know whats wrong? |
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| 22:35.39 | abouttogocrazy | anybody?? |
| 22:35.58 | chealer | abouttogocrazy: try #debian-boot |
| 22:35.59 | Seb | dasunt: hrm, dude, I was interested in *your* experience |
| 22:36.14 | Seb | dasunt: like, when you turn a module off and try to insert it, what does modprobe return ? |
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| 22:37.07 | dasunt | Seb: Well, its not turning a module off, as far as I can tell. Its aliasing the name of that module: so 'modprobe es1370' was actually doing 'modprobe off'. |
| 22:37.15 | dasunt | off always succeeds, it seems. |
| 22:37.20 | Seb | dasunt: I see |
| 22:37.36 | Seb | dasunt: for me, I get "FATAL: Module off not found." THAT'S WHY i WAS ASKING YOU :) |
| 22:37.40 | Seb | oops sorry for the caps |
| 22:37.55 | dasunt | alsa seems to want to use their own drivers: I have alsa because I wanted to use a specific tool that depends on alsa-base. |
| 22:38.02 | dasunt | Seb: Hmmm, odd. I always get success. |
| 22:38.12 | dasunt | Heh. |
| 22:38.16 | Seb | dasunt: i guess i just don't have this alias altogether |
| 22:38.22 | dasunt | Yep. |
| 22:38.33 | Seb | although switching those 2 keys is guaranteed to highly confuse the girlfriend |
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| 22:39.56 | b_lebowski | I can't get nfs mounted. rpcinfo -p (server) from the client gives "... No route to host", but I can ping. What could be the problem? |
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| 22:40.42 | guestish | is there a way to view the output on 1 terminal on another one? |
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| 22:41.19 | CraigDu | does anyone know my problem here: when i stop acpid and i goto view /proc/acpi/event i get device or resource busy. so when i try to restart acpid i get some other error. is this correctable? |
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| 22:42.38 | NixDix | has someone vsftpd working ? need help |
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| 22:43.19 | Blissex | NixDix: ask a question. |
| 22:43.28 | Blissex | NixDix: a real question, not a polll. |
| 22:43.37 | NixDix | how can i enable fxp modus on vsftpd |
| 22:43.58 | Blissex | guestish: redirect stdout to the other terminal. Terminals are just files. |
| 22:44.11 | NixDix | fxp mode |
| 22:44.15 | stew | b_lebowski: can you mount it from anywhere else? do you have portmap started? |
| 22:44.21 | guestish | Blissex: you mean cat /dev/tty2 > /dev/pts/1 or whatever? |
| 22:44.41 | guestish | Blissex: how can i tell what pts i am on? |
| 22:44.51 | Blissex | guestish: no, something like 'date >/dev/tty3' when run on '/dev/tty2' for example. |
| 22:45.26 | NixDix | in the faq of vsftpd there stands somtehing but not a real mode to set |
| 22:45.28 | guestish | Blissex: i have a process running on tty2, but i want to view the output currently on tty2 on a pts |
| 22:45.53 | b_lebowski | stew: no, I only have two machines! portmap's running on both machines. showmount -e on server works as expected. |
| 22:45.55 | chealer | guestish: $tty |
| 22:46.08 | guestish | chealer: got nothin |
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| 22:47.07 | chealer | guestish: it should be in coreutils |
| 22:47.16 | guestish | chealer: what is? |
| 22:47.31 | guestish | chealer: oh, i see |
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| 22:48.38 | guestish | chealer: thanks |
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| 22:49.32 | Blissex | guestish: it depends if you want to mirror whatever is on '/dev/tty2' on '/dev/tty3', or redirect the output of a program running on '/dev/tty2' to '/dev/tty3' |
| 22:49.54 | Blissex | NixDix: I think you dont have to enable anything special. |
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| 22:50.14 | Blissex | NixDix: however, check the description of 'pasv_promiscuous' in 'man vsftpd.conf' |
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| 22:50.16 | NixDix | it has to because i cant transfer files |
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| 22:50.46 | NixDix | i checked this but i dont have the man page this part is missing |
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| 22:51.08 | NixDix | sry |
| 22:51.16 | NixDix | i found it thx @Blissex |
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| 22:52.04 | Blissex | NixDix: note that FXP mode, especially with 'pasv_promiscuous', is a bit risky. |
| 22:52.14 | dondelelcaro | ^/topic |
| 22:52.15 | Starfury^ | lo Blissex mate |
| 22:52.24 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 22:52.30 | *** topic/#Debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Meet dondelelcaro at SCALE 3x [now] |
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| 22:52.45 | stew | dondelelcaro: how's scale? |
| 22:53.00 | chealer | dondelelcaro: :) could you also change debian-faq to debian-faq-wiki please? |
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| 22:53.19 | dondelelcaro | stew: good... bunch of people at the debian booth which is good. |
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| 22:53.28 | stew | cool |
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| 22:54.21 | alfadir | hi, have a problem with my new usbmouse, installed it allright, works for 5 min then it hangs. found some comments about acpi, correcting this. anyone know? 2.6 kernel. |
| 22:54.29 | walnuck | i tried keybinding a certain key after checking with xev, and still no luck... |
| 22:55.18 | Blissex | Starfury^: hi there! |
| 22:55.21 | b_lebowski | also, "tcpdump -n tcp" on server shows 2 events when the client attempt connection. |
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| 22:56.12 | quittt | !bootsplash |
| 22:56.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates) see also gensplash |
| 22:56.27 | a_monkey | what is "wingating"? |
| 22:56.28 | quittt | !gensplash |
| 22:56.29 | dpkg | gensplash is, like, a total re-write of the bootsplash project see: http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/gensplash/ |
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| 22:58.59 | scorphus | can anybody please help me fix my soundcard problem? |
| 22:59.20 | M_Squared | Hello to everyone. I'm gonna install Debian tomorrow, I'm so excited and after using Red hat, Suse and Mandrake I believe that Debian is the best distro that I can use. |
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| 22:59.38 | cthulfuego | M_Squared: belief doesn't come into it. it is. |
| 22:59.39 | chealer | M_Squared: sure :) |
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| 23:00.23 | chealer | how do you register a quote of the day? |
| 23:00.37 | nix | hi |
| 23:00.40 | M_Squared | I always thought that Debian is HARD, but after talking with a friend who's using it, I saw that it's not THAT hard...right? |
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| 23:01.03 | chealer | right |
| 23:01.14 | nix | where can i found kmyfirewall.deb? |
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| 23:02.11 | M_Squared | Can someone tell me if Audigy is supported with Debian? Didn't find any info on that (that's why I'm asking) and I took that as a sign that it is supported. |
| 23:02.18 | chealer | it is |
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| 23:02.44 | BlacKNasH | somebody know about gekkoware ? |
| 23:02.48 | b_lebowski | scorphus: "Don't ask to ask: just ask". What's the problem? (/me no expert, but I learned a lot agonising over getting mine to work!)? |
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| 23:03.34 | scorphus | b_lebowski: sorry... can't even know what the problem is |
| 23:03.42 | Demon` | I need to update my kernel because of nvidia's kernel module... is there a simple way to do it without changing my prefrences and getting anotger entry on grub? |
| 23:04.37 | chealer | Demon`: you have a custom kernel? |
| 23:04.41 | vibey | yay.. libapache2-mod-php4:4.3.10-4 doesn't exist |
| 23:04.47 | nix | sorry... i search the Kmyfirewall packages... |
| 23:04.56 | chealer | scorphus: if you don't know what the problem is, don't ask about it? |
| 23:04.59 | Demon` | chealer: no, it's the sarge installion one |
| 23:05.11 | chealer | !info libapache2-mod-php4 sid |
| 23:05.17 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1603 kB, Installed size: 3177 kB |
| 23:05.44 | chealer | Demon`: apt-get install kernel-image-2... will automatically add a grub entry. not sure which preferences you're talking about |
| 23:06.15 | chealer | vibey: it does on hppa ia64 powerpc . http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 23:06.58 | Demon` | chealer: kernel-image-2.6 -686 or -K7 ? |
| 23:07.02 | guestish | O_O |
| 23:07.11 | chealer | Demon`: which CPU?... |
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| 23:07.29 | Demon` | chealer: AMD, so that sound like K7, (and also like 686) |
| 23:07.30 | a_monkey | i configured my printer via gnome's "Printing" system tool, but when i tell something to print, nothing happens. |
| 23:07.33 | M_Squared | is it true that kernel update is easier in Debian with apt - get commands ? |
| 23:07.37 | a_monkey | can somebody help? |
| 23:07.40 | chealer | Demon`: it depends which AMD |
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| 23:07.55 | chealer | M_Squared: yes |
| 23:08.01 | Demon` | chealer: Athlon |
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| 23:08.11 | chealer | Demon`: k7 then |
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| 23:08.26 | b_lebowski | scorphus: has it ever worked (is it dead)? Are you using alsa or oss? What card is it? |
| 23:08.30 | Jaak | hey guys, i got a question about something... weird |
| 23:08.47 | Demon` | chealer: k, but will it act like my former kernel? the one sarge installed? |
| 23:08.56 | Jaak | there is "modutlis" in init.d, but its not symlinked in any rc?.d |
| 23:09.04 | Jaak | is it normal or something is fishy? |
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| 23:09.09 | chealer | Demon`: I guess pretty much. what's your former kernel? |
| 23:09.11 | vibey | chealer: thank you sir! =D |
| 23:09.18 | chealer | vibey: my pleasure |
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| 23:09.23 | Blissex | Jaak: it could be both normal and fishy :-) |
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| 23:09.41 | baraba | bob2: can you help with one simple thing? |
| 23:09.44 | Jaak | Blissex: well, i was wondering why my alsa stuff didnt get loaded |
| 23:09.52 | Jaak | so i looked into it |
| 23:09.52 | scorphus | b_lebowski: mmm.. I just installet the alsa-ect packages |
| 23:09.56 | Demon` | chealer: well, it's 2.6.8-1-386 ... too old for headers... |
| 23:09.56 | Blissex | Jaak: thats a totally different story. |
| 23:09.57 | vibey | asking to ask .. no no.. |
| 23:10.02 | senin | does the kernel-source that comes as part of kernel-tree debian package have all the debian patches applied to it or is it the vanilla kernel? |
| 23:10.25 | Blissex | Jaak: modules gets loaded either because they are in ''/etc/modules', or by 'devfsd'/'hotplug'/'discover'/... whatever |
| 23:10.27 | Demon` | chealer: will I have to do some kind of crazy reconfiguration on it? |
| 23:10.27 | scorphus | b_lebowski: sounds seems to be playing (XMMS) but no sound (MUTE) |
| 23:10.30 | Jaak | Blissex: but the "alsa stuff" is correctly configured in modutils.conf or something |
| 23:10.32 | gentoox | hey can someone help me with partitionmagic |
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| 23:11.04 | chealer | Demon`: not at all. the transition will be seemless once you have recompiled nvidia for it |
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| 23:11.17 | baraba | is someone good at KDE ? |
| 23:11.22 | Demon` | chealer: hmm... k |
| 23:11.22 | Jaak | Blissex: hmmm... so far i have had to add all the modules into the /etc/modules file |
| 23:11.24 | chealer | baraba: #debian-kde should |
| 23:11.36 | Jaak | manually, nvidia, snd stuff |
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| 23:11.54 | baraba | chealer: how to connect to files and folder on the computer in network? |
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| 23:12.06 | gentoox | i had everything going and it was on about the 5th objective when i got a black screen with different coloured pixles are showing flashing.,... is this a good thing or bad/> |
| 23:12.09 | paper | + |
| 23:12.46 | baraba | chealer: I mean to browse files on the other computer than on this which you are working at? |
| 23:13.03 | gentoox | .... |
| 23:13.21 | b_lebowski | baraba: nfs. See FAQ "Can I have nfs?" |
| 23:13.34 | scorphus | b_lebowski: mizer doesn't show a thing, can't mix the channels |
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| 23:13.45 | baraba | lebowski: i just want to start simple network |
| 23:13.54 | baraba | lebowski: ping is working |
| 23:14.03 | Gigs | I'm losing the keyboard after dselect goes to apt-get |
| 23:14.09 | ctd | So, I'm having a bit of an issue with kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686: It doesn't detect a ps2 mouse with mousedev loaded, but then needs to load mousedev after detecting the mouse for /dev/psaux to be created/work. |
| 23:14.11 | Gigs | apt-get is asking me to press enter now and nothing is working |
| 23:14.23 | gentoox | am i in this channel even? |
| 23:14.29 | Gigs | this is on a laptop, I'll try plugging in an external keyboard |
| 23:15.06 | gentoox | cann somone help i think i corupted my hard drive... |
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| 23:15.21 | Gigs | nothing on external keyboard eithr |
| 23:15.27 | chealer | baraba: why do you ask me? |
| 23:15.38 | draconian | gentoox wish i could |
| 23:15.39 | Gigs | keyboard works up to the point where dselect starts apt-get |
| 23:15.40 | baraba | i thougt maybe you know |
| 23:15.48 | sussudio | gentoox: this channel is for debian help. partition magic is not even close. |
| 23:15.54 | draconian | don't know much about that though |
| 23:16.05 | stew | gentoox: partitionmagic.com/support |
| 23:16.16 | gentoox | well what can you make of a black screen with flashing coloured pixles?? |
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| 23:16.23 | b_lebowski | baraba: That's what nfs is for. |
| 23:16.30 | chealer | !tell M_Squared about msg |
| 23:16.35 | Gigs | sounds like your bios is booting random trash gentoox |
| 23:16.41 | Jaak | Blissex: okay that cleared some up, but what about the stuff in /etc/modules.conf? |
| 23:16.49 | chealer | baraba: even if I do, ask the channel |
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| 23:17.18 | Rawplayer | in which package is iproute2? |
| 23:17.31 | stew | Rawplayer: iproute |
| 23:17.46 | Gigs | in addition to my keyboard not working, when apt-get was running, I got a million "eth0: next frame inconsistency, 0x##" where ## is some hex. The download it was on stops and sometimes finishes after 10 minutes or so, sometimes fails |
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| 23:17.57 | astronut | How hard is it to migrate to xorg from xfree86 on sid? |
| 23:18.15 | slackd00d | if im making a .deb and to compile it i need libxpm-dev, do i need to put that as a dependincy for the package? or is it just needed to compile it |
| 23:18.17 | Blissex | astronut: not very hard, and not much reason to do it either. |
| 23:18.22 | Gigs | google search on that next frame inconsistency error comes up with nearly nothing |
| 23:18.27 | astronut | Blissex: why not? |
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| 23:18.31 | Gigs | mostly stuff from kernel 2.0 or 1.0 |
| 23:18.56 | stew | slackd00d: it needs to be a build-dep then |
| 23:18.56 | gentoox | damn i got x'ed out i cant understand this crappy program on an xbox |
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| 23:19.25 | slackd00d | stew: ok, thanks |
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| 23:19.39 | gentoox | what was the channel i should go to again? |
| 23:19.43 | astronut | Blissex: why would you recomend not doing so? |
| 23:20.14 | Blissex | astronut: because there are very few differences, and almost no advantages. |
| 23:20.43 | astronut | Blissex: x does somethings weird, i think xorg may not do those |
| 23:20.51 | astronut | so for the sake of arguement, how would i do it? apt-get install xorg? |
| 23:20.59 | gentoox | ... |
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| 23:21.03 | h | http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 |
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| 23:21.29 | Blissex | astronut: type /msg dpkg xorg |
| 23:21.41 | astronut | ty |
| 23:21.48 | Blissex | astronut: you should hve read the /topic |
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| 23:21.53 | astronut | oops |
| 23:21.56 | astronut | didn't see topic |
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| 23:22.02 | revengeuser | hello |
| 23:22.14 | revengeuser | on sid there is still no update on php4? |
| 23:22.26 | gentoox | i close the program, who was it that sent me the channel link to help with partitionmagic? |
| 23:22.32 | stew | dorkest: packages.debian.org/php4 |
| 23:22.42 | stew | gentoox: http://partitionmagic.com/support |
| 23:22.45 | dorkest | stego thanks |
| 23:23.14 | dorkest | stew second question sid is testing? |
| 23:23.26 | stew | dorkest: sid is unstable, sarge is testing |
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| 23:23.45 | dorkest | stew thank u |
| 23:23.53 | stew | dorkest: you're w |
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| 23:24.14 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 23:24.17 | dorkest | wierd |
| 23:24.34 | dorkest | when i apt-get dist-upgrade it tell me that php4 and php4-pear is keeped back |
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| 23:24.50 | dorkest | but on unstable there is a new version then my version on system |
| 23:25.00 | inetd | did anyone find a scroll bug in aterm (sid) |
| 23:25.01 | inetd | ? |
| 23:25.12 | stew | dorkest: your mirror probably hasn't updated yet |
| 23:25.15 | [Granger] | dorkest: why are you running unstable? |
| 23:25.17 | pinho | alo |
| 23:25.25 | stew | inetd: check the bts |
| 23:25.44 | dorkest | [Granger] cause i installed debian 1st want to use the latest good version |
| 23:25.46 | dorkest | and i thought is sid |
| 23:25.47 | dorkest | :. |
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| 23:25.52 | dorkest | so i screw it up |
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| 23:26.02 | [Granger] | heh latest good version |
| 23:26.03 | dorkest | only chance is reinstall |
| 23:26.07 | fooz | kurumin? never heard of that one |
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| 23:26.12 | [Granger] | Sid != good |
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| 23:26.23 | [Granger] | and you obviously don't have a clue as to what you're doing |
| 23:26.23 | dorkest | i find that out now |
| 23:26.28 | prozaknathan | SUP ALL!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:26.31 | dorkest | [Granger] sord of |
| 23:26.39 | [Granger] | dorkest: did you even bother reading the install manual? |
| 23:26.46 | fooz | sid is great. except for people other than myself |
| 23:26.49 | dorkest | [Granger] most part of it |
| 23:27.02 | [Granger] | fooz: ya, every aptitude upgrade can be your last |
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| 23:27.29 | undertow | anyone familiar with gtk-gnutella? and why it endlessly receives error 500(invalid handshake)...? do i need to have a daemon running that i am unaware of? |
| 23:27.36 | dorkest | anyway wonder if my php script will work after they gona update the php4 |
| 23:27.39 | dorkest | but i dought it |
| 23:27.41 | pinho | install kurumin br???? |
| 23:27.47 | dorkest | so my box is screwed |
| 23:27.54 | fooz | [Granger], nah |
| 23:28.04 | gentoox | ok no that link did not help me |
| 23:28.44 | gentoox | nowhere does it say anything about a black screen with coloured pixles flashing then after. turning to black screen |
| 23:29.10 | stew | gentoox: call tech support. if you are not using free software, you might as well get your money's worth |
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| 23:29.32 | gentoox | .... |
| 23:29.32 | YankDownUnder | Anyone know of a better mirror to d/l Sarge from? |
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| 23:30.13 | stew | YankDownUnder: tried www.au.debian.org? |
| 23:30.20 | dorkest | stew if i gona switch in sources.list to sarge i dont distroy my system? |
| 23:30.30 | YankDownUnder | stew: Will check it out now - tanx |
| 23:30.44 | gentoox | anyone else have any insite on this? |
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| 23:31.11 | stew | dorkest: what are you running now? sarge? |
| 23:31.19 | dorkest | nope sid |
| 23:31.24 | dorkest | i use sid |
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| 23:31.36 | stew | dorkest: it won't break your system, but it won't transform you into sarge either |
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| 23:31.52 | tarzeau | http://planet.debian.org/ haha ubuntu removes names that do debian work and puts their own names in!!! |
| 23:32.04 | dorkest | so there is any possible way to make my php scripts works agains? |
| 23:32.18 | dorkest | or should i wait till they gona update the php4 and php4-pear |
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| 23:32.57 | gentoox | can i just assume that it went through as planned and reboot the computer and install debian from disk to partition? |
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| 23:33.26 | gentoox | or do i need to boot up to xp first and set up some things? |
| 23:33.55 | pellywinkle87 | do i need the 2nd sarge dvd to get a fully running install? |
| 23:33.58 | stew | dorkest: you need install the older packages and put them on hold |
| 23:34.22 | dorkest | i got the old ones |
| 23:34.26 | pellywinkle87 | and is it easy to install packages from the 2nd dvd later? |
| 23:34.30 | dorkest | but used to work till i made the update |
| 23:34.37 | dorkest | then i get alot of errors in errors.log |
| 23:34.48 | stew | dorkest: did you check the bts? |
| 23:34.54 | gentoox | anybody |
| 23:35.03 | gentoox | IM GETTING PISSED |
| 23:35.24 | pellywinkle87 | someone? |
| 23:35.27 | Vladi1 | hi, im trying to make a recipe to put the logcheck emails from different servers in different folders can somone please help? |
| 23:35.27 | dorkest | bts? |
| 23:35.46 | stew | dorkest: /topic ; /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 23:36.26 | dorkest | thank u very much stew |
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| 23:36.44 | sussudio | gentoox: you have long outstayed your welcome. leave now or i will call the bouncer to escort you out. |
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| 23:37.39 | gentoox | thats great |
| 23:37.44 | gentoox | thanks for the help |
| 23:38.02 | gentoox | screw you guys |
| 23:38.14 | gentoox | hope you feel good about yourselves |
| 23:38.15 | fooz | gentoox, are you propositioning me? |
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| 23:38.43 | senin | does the kernel-source that comes as part of kernel-tree debian package have all the debian patches applied to it or is it the vanilla kernel? |
| 23:38.48 | dondelelcaro | gentoox: when you're ready to calmly discuss your problem, let me know. |
| 23:38.50 | stew | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 23:38.56 | sussudio | senin: yes. |
| 23:39.02 | senin | thanks |
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| 23:39.06 | FieldySnuts | indeed thanks |
| 23:39.20 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: he demands support for his warezed partition magic. |
| 23:39.25 | hacim | anyone know what plays .mpc files? |
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| 23:39.33 | sussudio | hacim: musepack.sourceforge.net |
| 23:39.38 | thomas_adam | sussudio: mpc ? |
| 23:39.40 | hacim | sussudio: dang you are fast |
| 23:39.49 | hacim | sussudio: pass the coffee |
| 23:39.51 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Not you... :) |
| 23:39.51 | sussudio | thomas_adam: meh? |
| 23:39.54 | FieldySnuts | it's only because badgers are chasing him |
| 23:40.05 | hacim | hehe |
| 23:40.33 | hacim | sussudio: unfortunately musepack.sourceforge.net is 404 |
| 23:40.35 | sussudio | hacim: or www.musepack.net whatever it is now. |
| 23:40.40 | FieldySnuts | god. my computer desk is pretty broken up, which makes me nervous, there's a 75 pound monitor on it... might hurt me a bit if it falls through |
| 23:40.41 | hacim | k, I'll look |
| 23:40.44 | sussudio | hacim: you might want to learn how to use google... |
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| 23:41.01 | pellywinkle87 | do i need the 2nd sarge dvd to get a fully running install? |
| 23:41.02 | FieldySnuts | @fgi badgers |
| 23:41.04 | hacim | sussudio: I've been meaning to |
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| 23:41.13 | sussudio | !tell pellywinkle87 about repeating |
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| 23:41.25 | stew | pellywinkle87: no |
| 23:41.33 | pellywinkle87 | k soeey |
| 23:41.38 | hacim | sussudio: what I was really looking for is the debian package that does .mpcs |
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| 23:41.45 | sussudio | !do mpc's |
| 23:42.07 | YankDownUnder | stew: Oy mate - so now I need to grab all 15 of those Sarge ISO's eh? |
| 23:42.15 | resiak | !d-i YankDownUnder |
| 23:42.15 | dpkg | YankDownUnder, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:42.34 | senin | when I install a kernel I compiled myself from kernel-source.2.6.10 ALSA reports "No soundcards found" while when running the sid version it correctly finids it as Intel 82801DB-ICH4, which option could I have got wrong |
| 23:42.39 | stew | YankDownUnder: /msg dpkg netinst |
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| 23:44.29 | black-dog | can someone who knows about config'ing X with TFT help me |
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| 23:44.56 | black-dog | i've got a frustratin problem, with each attempt to reconfig X by hand or with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:45.23 | black-dog | when i'm unsuccessful X freezes and i Have to hard reboot and e2fsck and it takes like 30 minutes to reboot |
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| 23:46.05 | black-dog | i need a way to config X correctly or not have it freeze |
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| 23:46.13 | black-dog | ctl+alt+del won't even work |
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| 23:46.27 | Demon` | hey |
| 23:46.41 | FieldySnuts | backspace |
| 23:47.40 | stew | black-dog: you might wanna give memtest86 a try to see if your freezing is related to bad memory. |
| 23:47.47 | Demon` | I got the nvidia drivers installed with module-assitance, pretty nice, but I have another problem now, I can't get my vertical refresh rate about 60Hz on 1024x768, if I edit XFree86-4 and put only 85 then I only get 640x480. how do I fix it? |
| 23:48.21 | Trill | Hello |
| 23:48.23 | PerfDave | Demon`: For starters, don't hand-edit your X config file. |
| 23:48.27 | PerfDave | Demon`: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 23:49.07 | Trill | Can I get help? |
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| 23:49.15 | black-dog | stew would that only happen with X? |
| 23:49.29 | Demon` | PerfDave, how will that help? |
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| 23:49.53 | stew | black-dog: who knows. it might be that you never use much memory until x starts |
| 23:50.01 | PerfDave | Demon`: It should allow you to autoconfigure your X. |
| 23:50.03 | black-dog | only hand config cause dpkg-reconfigure not working |
| 23:50.35 | Trill | I have a question |
| 23:50.41 | FieldySnuts | black-dog: to help avoid unclean shutdowns , if you don't already have it, compile sysreq into your kernel. i'm sure someone else here can tell you more, but what it comes down to is you can force all filesystems to sync up, remount them readonly, and force a reboot. this most likely avoids having to wait for fsck at astartup. |
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| 23:50.57 | inetd | ive submitted the problem to bugs |
| 23:51.11 | inetd | anyway this is the error ive got aterm: ../../src/screen.c:872: scr_add_lines: Assertion `screen.cur.row >= -TermWin.nscrolled' failed. |
| 23:51.20 | black-dog | FieldySnuts how would i force anything with X frozen? |
| 23:51.26 | dorkest | stew i find out why i get those errors |
| 23:51.30 | dorkest | but i cant solve them out |
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| 23:52.06 | vibey | I just want to say i love debian and everyone here.. |
| 23:52.12 | linux2 | i get an error when i try to compile some source code for adm8211 drivers |
| 23:52.16 | FieldySnuts | <3 |
| 23:52.20 | linux2 | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.9/build M=/home/kitty/tmp/adm8211 modules |
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| 23:52.25 | crderivative | man, i cant get x to work on my ibook |
| 23:52.26 | linux2 | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.9/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 23:52.30 | linux2 | make: *** [modules] Error 2 |
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| 23:52.39 | linux2 | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 23:52.42 | crderivative | anyone got an idea on config of x? |
| 23:52.45 | warty | is this a help room? |
| 23:52.53 | warty | if so I need it |
| 23:52.59 | FieldySnuts | @room |
| 23:53.00 | ravenbird | CHANNEL! |
| 23:53.01 | Trill | me too..and cant find it |
| 23:53.22 | FieldySnuts | Trill: you didn't even say what your problem is yet, we aren't mind readers. |
| 23:53.26 | slackd00d | !dpkg own respo |
| 23:53.33 | inetd | linux2, that doesnt give us enough information to tell you why it wont compile |
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| 23:53.40 | warty | i have just installed debian... and I need to set up the network... how do i set it up? |
| 23:53.47 | linux2 | well that is the error |
| 23:53.57 | Trill | sorry, just want to make sure somone was listening. I dont want to interrupt...but here is my issue.... |
| 23:53.59 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: smart questions? |
| 23:53.59 | linux2 | what else do you want? |
| 23:54.00 | ravenbird | from memory, smart questions is "Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html", or http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 23:54.14 | quinten | hey |
| 23:54.18 | dorkest | i remove mcrypt libmcrypt4 and libmcrypt-dev |
| 23:54.20 | warty | i was using ubuntu... but replaced it with debian |
| 23:54.24 | crderivative | hmm... think there might be some sarcasm around here! |
| 23:54.27 | quinten | i have this swf_play plugin installed...how can i disable it? |
| 23:54.32 | shingouz | warty: how far have you got with the network already? |
| 23:54.36 | dorkest | i reinstalled them but i dont get the mcrypt.so file in /usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/ |
| 23:54.38 | vibey | nothing cooler than watching something compile... |
| 23:54.39 | quinten | it does a really bad job of playing flash movies and it uses 100% of the CPU power |
| 23:54.44 | black-dog | anyone else got an idea why x would freeze no matter how many times i try to reconfigure? |
| 23:54.49 | warty | the only thing i have done is boot into gnome |
| 23:54.53 | Trill | My father just built himself a computer, and got this software for his OS, but he is having problems installing it. Is there someone that can tell me what he is to do, step by step, so I can tell him? |
| 23:54.59 | quinten | but, i do want to keep the commandline tool as a backup, just not th ebrowser integration |
| 23:55.17 | black-dog | apt foo |
| 23:55.18 | apt | bar |
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| 23:55.25 | black-dog | apt X |
| 23:55.27 | shingouz | warty: when you installed debian, did you let the installer do ay network configuration? |
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| 23:55.37 | FieldySnuts | sunday... |
| 23:55.44 | inetd | linux2, is that the full error it spits out? im sure there is more |
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| 23:56.02 | linux2 | inetd: that is it |
| 23:56.04 | warty | shingouz, it did but it wanted an ip address and my system is set up as dynamic |
| 23:56.11 | dorkest | is some mirror who updates very well? |
| 23:56.19 | warty | so yes, but i screwed it up |
| 23:56.21 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
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| 23:56.58 | shingouz | warty: just to get this straight, the install you have on your computer is a fresh debian, not something that has been installed with ubuntu? |
| 23:57.23 | warty | that is correct... i am ONLY running debian on my laptop |
| 23:57.35 | shingouz | k |
| 23:57.47 | Trill | In a new computer..with no existing OS, how do we get the Debian software installed to run the computer? |
| 23:57.48 | shingouz | warty: open up a terminal and do ifconfig as root |
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| 23:58.03 | shingouz | warty: do you get eth0 or just lo? |
| 23:58.12 | inetd | linux2, are you compiling this with kernel source? |
| 23:58.18 | linux2 | yes |
| 23:59.06 | warty | shingouz... lo |
| 23:59.12 | inetd | linux2, when you compile your kernel and do make modules, did it work ok? |
| 23:59.35 | Piru | Trill, hmm you can install from another os? didn't know that |
| 23:59.48 | Piru | Trill, seriously, download the installation manual and follow it? |
| 23:59.50 | shingouz | warty: ok, in that case you should check lsmod if you have anything that looks like a module for your nic |
