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| 00:00.28 | warty | af_packet |
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| 00:00.39 | warty | is the only module |
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| 00:01.07 | Trill | my dad has no OS on his new computer...he put the disc with debian in, and tried to install it, but keeps getting stuck at the screen where it wants to partition the hard drive |
| 00:01.23 | shingouz | warty: is your nic a pcmcia device or built-in on the laptop? |
| 00:01.27 | Trill | where do I find the installation manual? |
| 00:01.29 | warty | i am not using a nic... |
| 00:01.34 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say dpkg: confuse trill |
| 00:01.37 | ravenbird | dpkg: confuse trill |
| 00:01.38 | dpkg | No, where is your badger yesterday, trill? lederhosen of the monarchy of micronesia with extra cream |
| 00:01.42 | vibey | how does one deal with 'Unreversed patch detected!' |
| 00:01.51 | Trill | ? |
| 00:02.08 | PerfDave | Trill: Which version of Debian is he trying to install? |
| 00:02.13 | shingouz | warty: umm... in that case you cannot have the network configured at all, you need a Network Interface Card to get networking in the first place |
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| 00:02.18 | Trill | 3.0 I believe |
| 00:02.19 | warty | i am connecting via usb, to a ethernet converter |
| 00:02.23 | black-dog | FieldySnuts where do i find sysreq in make menuconfig |
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| 00:02.27 | FieldySnuts | use a real ethernet card, not one of those |
| 00:02.27 | PerfDave | !i-m |
| 00:02.37 | PerfDave | !install manual |
| 00:02.38 | dpkg | ig is, like, for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
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| 00:03.03 | SolitaryGeek | I'm in the middle of set up of an install of Debian Woody. What display manager should I use for a Dell Insprion 1100 notebook? The choices are: gdm, xdm, and kdm. |
| 00:03.05 | shingouz | warty: those usb thingies are horrible... does your system even see the dratted thing? |
| 00:03.07 | FieldySnuts | black-dog: kernel hacking |
| 00:03.19 | warty | i do not know |
| 00:03.20 | FieldySnuts | those usb things almost always work only in windows |
| 00:03.23 | FieldySnuts | use a real NIC |
| 00:03.26 | remote_login_pro | hi i am running sid and I set up a machine with mgetty and set up /etc/inittab line with S0:2345:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -s 57600 /dev/ttyS0 and when i dial in, i see the line 2400 and no see the debian greeting or the login prompt. what did i do wrong? |
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| 00:03.28 | shingouz | warty: lsusb should give you some idea on what happens with the usb |
| 00:03.33 | warty | i have only had the system up for ten min |
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| 00:03.54 | FieldySnuts | black-dog: then, you can find info on how to use it in Documentation/sysrq.txt |
| 00:03.56 | remote_login_pro | and i cant get in if i try to type my login info |
| 00:04.17 | warty | lsusb.... is an error bash ... not a command |
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| 00:04.43 | black-dog | FieldySnuts haha magic sysrq key |
| 00:04.50 | Piru | Trill, www.debian.org has a direct link to the manual |
| 00:04.53 | shingouz | warty: in that case i believe you are missing something on the system |
| 00:04.53 | FieldySnuts | yes, that's it |
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| 00:04.58 | dabreegster | I'm going to install sarge on my new box through netinstall. however, I'm having some trouble grabbing the cd images, so I was wondering about the floppy images. Are those to boot the netinstall? |
| 00:05.10 | FieldySnuts | black-dog: funny name or not, i can't count the number of times it's saved my ass on a "hung" system |
| 00:05.27 | warty | when typing 'ls -usb' i get a total of 0 |
| 00:05.33 | black-dog | FieldySnuts any clue what would cause X to hard freeze? |
| 00:05.38 | shingouz | lsusb, not ls usb |
| 00:05.40 | Piru | dabreegster, I've netinstalled from the 4 floppies several times, at least |
| 00:05.43 | paulswm | Kind of an ironic nick there a few lines up |
| 00:05.45 | black-dog | and disallow ctl+alt+del |
| 00:05.58 | Piru | dabreegster, DON'T do that. |
| 00:06.08 | FieldySnuts | black-dog: you're probably thinkint ctl-alt-backspace, and my first thought is ati drivers (from ati) |
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| 00:06.32 | black-dog | FieldySnuts ya i got rivaTNT |
| 00:06.33 | FieldySnuts | warty: two of us have been trying to tell you this, but you're not listening: forget the usb thing, those usually only work in windows. get a real network card. |
| 00:06.42 | FieldySnuts | that's not ati as far as I know |
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| 00:06.58 | FieldySnuts | other than that, all I can say is to look at X's error logs (/var/log/X* or something) |
| 00:07.06 | black-dog | ya ok |
| 00:07.17 | warty | FieldySnuts, it works with Ubuntu, which is based on debian |
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| 00:07.34 | h | ubuntu != debian |
| 00:07.36 | FieldySnuts | warty: which doesn't mean a thing here. we are talking pure debian, nothing else. |
| 00:07.46 | warty | ok |
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| 00:08.09 | shingouz | warty: try to plug in the dongle and do "lsusb" as root. you just might see the dongle there |
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| 00:08.25 | stew | warty: if it works in ubuntu you should be able to use it in debian, they can use the same kernels |
| 00:08.28 | shingouz | dabreegster: stop those pings |
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| 00:08.30 | Piru | dabreegster, stop that, will you. |
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| 00:08.41 | Piru | sigh |
| 00:08.45 | shingouz | yeah... |
| 00:08.48 | h | idiot |
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| 00:08.53 | remote_login_nub | anyone know the correct inittab line to setup dialin in mgetty |
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| 00:09.15 | stew | remote_login_nub: did you look in /usr/share/doc/mgetty? |
| 00:09.32 | warty | shingouz, i am at root, i have done 'lsusb' and still .... command not found. |
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| 00:09.52 | Gumby | has anyone ever seen this error before ip_conntrack: table full dropping packet ?? |
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| 00:10.06 | warty | also my usb pen drive is not recognized.... i am thinking i need some 'drivers'? |
| 00:10.17 | Piru | gumby, could be. |
| 00:10.20 | shingouz | hmm... now which package contains lsusb...? |
| 00:10.26 | try_catch_this | anyone know of an implementation of MD5 with a free bsd license? |
| 00:10.33 | shingouz | warty: either you need hotplug or usbmgr |
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| 00:11.00 | Gumby | Piru: any idea what it would mean or how to fix it? |
| 00:11.29 | warty | is that software? |
| 00:11.36 | dabreegster | Are the floppies for d-i for the netinstall? Also, do I just stick those on preformatted floppies? |
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| 00:11.49 | shingouz | warty: apt-cache search hotplug |
| 00:11.55 | Piru | gumby, from top of my head, the module keeping track of ip masq connection tracking (irc dcc, ftp, etc) is running out of storage to hold the open connection it tracks. no idea how to fix it tho |
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| 00:12.10 | Piru | gumby, I could be wrong tho. never seen that before |
| 00:12.40 | darkfame | how come irssi doesn't have a installation candidate in sarge? |
| 00:12.50 | dabreegster | darkfame: irssi-text |
| 00:12.56 | stew | Gumby: i'd ask in #iptables |
| 00:12.56 | Phated | What he said. |
| 00:12.59 | Phated | Hey dabreegster. |
| 00:13.03 | dabreegster | hey Phated |
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| 00:13.05 | darkfame | ah, thanks. :) |
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| 00:13.09 | quittt | is there a problem like BitComet for Linux? |
| 00:13.11 | Phated | darkfame: Why you pinging the channel, man? :) |
| 00:13.21 | dabreegster | Phated: I've got Sarge going (just swopped HDDs) and it works, but I'm gunna do a fresh install. |
| 00:13.39 | h | because pinging makes you a l337 h4X0r |
| 00:13.49 | darkfame | lol |
| 00:13.49 | Phated | dabreegster: Awesome. |
| 00:14.00 | h | soon enough he will find out about ping -f |
| 00:14.00 | warty | shingouz, i see one called hotplug.... how do i run it? (i have typed 'hotplug' and pressed enter, then i get .... not a command) |
| 00:14.08 | darkfame | maybe I should have used apt-source before I asked... ;) |
| 00:14.10 | dabreegster | Phated: know anything about the debian installer for floppy disks? |
| 00:14.15 | shingouz | warty: apt-get install hotplug |
| 00:14.22 | Phated | dabreegster: Sure. |
| 00:14.33 | dabreegster | or getting a CDRW going? think it's ATAPI or something. |
| 00:14.50 | stew | warty: what does uname -r say? |
| 00:14.52 | black-dog | FieldySnuts do you put echo "0" > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq somewhere? |
| 00:15.11 | Piru | dabreegster, see www.debian.org front page, "Getting Debian / Network install / Floppy disks" |
| 00:15.14 | Phated | dabreegster: Use the link from /msg dpkg d-i, you'll see a link for "other media", pick floppy, and rawrite (in windows) or dd the .img files to fresh/formatted floppies. You'll need root.img, boot.img, and possibly net-drivers.img. |
| 00:15.21 | Phated | (I am such a bot.) |
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| 00:15.27 | shingouz | dabreegster: there is a cdwriting howto for the cdrw |
| 00:15.30 | navi | hi ppl |
| 00:15.30 | dabreegster | alright Phated. yeah, you are. |
| 00:15.32 | dabreegster | shingouz: ok |
| 00:15.41 | black-dog | shouldn't dpkg-reconfigure X when it finishes say like "writing to XFConfig" or so |
| 00:15.48 | Phated | dabreegster: Thanks a lot. |
| 00:15.48 | navi | need help to reconfigure my xfree86 |
| 00:16.05 | warty | stew, it says '2.2.20-idepci' |
| 00:16.13 | stew | warty: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 00:16.24 | Phated | paulswm: To do what, pray tell? |
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| 00:16.38 | stew | warty: and if you are running woody, a usb network card has a much smaller chance of working |
| 00:16.49 | stew | !idepci |
| 00:16.50 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes greycat cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 00:16.51 | shingouz | warty: the ancient kernel is the biggest reason why the system does not run nicely with usb |
| 00:17.15 | navi | please |
| 00:17.15 | navi | someone |
| 00:17.15 | Phated | paulswm: Yummy. |
| 00:17.15 | paulswm | Phated: :D |
| 00:17.16 | FieldySnuts | no, it's because those usb "nic" things are shit |
| 00:17.18 | Phated | navi: dpkg-reconfigue xserver-xfree86. |
| 00:17.26 | navi | thx phated |
| 00:17.28 | Phated | There are USB NICs? WTF for? |
| 00:17.28 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: that too |
| 00:17.30 | navi | :) |
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| 00:17.36 | stew | Phated: i'm trying to fathom how eating mashed potatoes could be recursive |
| 00:17.40 | asuffield | oh hey, we can rewrite the code? I can so think of lots of things to do with it |
| 00:17.41 | stew | err paulswm ^^ |
| 00:17.54 | Phated | stew: When you eat five packs a day. Of the instant kind. |
| 00:17.54 | vulture | stew: perhaps if the mashed potato was also eating you.. |
| 00:18.00 | scarynetworkguy | stew: Think never ending container. |
| 00:18.02 | Phated | asuffield: You leave my code alone. |
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| 00:18.17 | stew | i wish i had a never ending conatiner of mashed potatoes |
| 00:18.34 | darkfame | hmmm.. what's tsc? |
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| 00:18.48 | shingouz | mashed potatoes forever... gee.... (shiver) |
| 00:18.55 | Phated | stew: Hell yes. |
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| 00:19.15 | asuffield | aside from a convinient place to hide the bodies, I'm not sure what use that would be |
| 00:19.27 | vipe | how do I set my $PS1 in the header of my Eterm ? |
| 00:19.31 | dabreegster | Phated: whoa, dd is scary. :-P |
| 00:19.32 | Phated | It would be sustenance! Forever! |
| 00:19.37 | Phated | dabreegster: Fuck yeah. |
| 00:19.51 | paulswm | Friends help friends move. Real friends help friends move bodies. |
| 00:19.55 | Phated | vipe: man Eterm. There's an option. |
| 00:19.57 | asuffield | I do not particularly want to be eating mashed potato forever |
| 00:19.57 | idnar | what does a Phate daemon do, anyway? |
| 00:19.58 | shingouz | mashed potatoes forever would also be boring as hell |
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| 00:20.11 | Phated | idnar: Tell your phortune. |
| 00:20.25 | Phated | shingouz: Not if you had different varieties and a neverending supply of gravy. |
| 00:20.30 | asuffield | that was awful. even for you |
| 00:20.39 | dabreegster | Phated: what am I trying to do exactly? convert a boot img to...? |
| 00:20.44 | Phated | BAD asuffield. |
| 00:20.44 | idnar | hahaha |
| 00:20.55 | Phated | dabreegster: You want to transfer it to a formatted floppy. |
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| 00:21.11 | dabreegster | ah |
| 00:21.19 | Phated | asuffield: Besides, someone else came up with that. |
| 00:21.22 | paulswm | asuffield: Don't worry, she'll be eating it off you, she wouldn't let mashed potatoes go to waste |
| 00:21.50 | darkfame | dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/fd0 .. ;P |
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| 00:22.01 | Phated | paulswm: I have an infinite supply, why would I care about dumping a little on asuffield? |
| 00:22.03 | dabreegster | thanks darkfame |
| 00:22.24 | darkfame | ummm.. no. :) |
| 00:22.25 | shingouz | dabreegster: that command will make your floppy a bit stuffed... |
| 00:22.33 | remote_login_nub | stew i did try there |
| 00:22.39 | paulswm | Phated: True enough. |
| 00:22.46 | Phated | dabreegster: Well, edit the command and stuff. |
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| 00:23.04 | remote_login_nub | and i tried also setting inittab to T0:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty ttyS0 -D /dev/ttyS0 |
| 00:23.10 | dabreegster | shingouz: I know. replace /dev/hda1 with whatever.img |
| 00:23.15 | shingouz | :) |
| 00:23.24 | darkfame | cat image.img > /dev/fd0 works too actually. |
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| 00:23.38 | remote_login_nub | and i get only CONNECT 24000/V44 from the remote machine |
| 00:23.40 | dabreegster | really? |
| 00:23.44 | dabreegster | wow. |
| 00:23.51 | Phated | But dd looks cooler. :) |
| 00:24.07 | darkfame | true |
| 00:24.12 | asuffield | dd is also somewhat faster, not that it's likely to matter with a floppy on the end |
| 00:24.41 | darkfame | dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda1 ... not very nice.. ;) |
| 00:24.42 | Phated | Oh, here, I have leftovers from the last box I bought... |
| 00:25.05 | dabreegster | darkfame: eek |
| 00:25.06 | asuffield | I hate to think what Phated has been buying in boxes |
| 00:25.13 | Phated | Floppies. |
| 00:25.14 | shingouz | darkfame: works pretty well as a low level formatted if you use /dev/hda |
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| 00:25.17 | grivell | darkfame: How long does that take to run? It needed root access too. |
| 00:25.24 | Phated | And, well, fish. |
| 00:25.32 | darkfame | grivell: I don't want to know. :D |
| 00:25.42 | paulswm | dabreegster: You're in the Ststes, right, surely you can get CD blanks tomorrow from Staples or somewhere? |
| 00:26.02 | NickHill | What are the config programs to run after installing a newly bootstrapped debian system? |
| 00:26.04 | dabreegster | yeah paulswm |
| 00:26.06 | shingouz | grivell: done it a few times on old hd's that i have wanted a bit cleaner before installing sometihng on them. a few hours at least |
| 00:26.18 | dabreegster | but I havent yet managed to get my CDRW to work |
| 00:26.23 | grivell | shingouz: null works better ;) |
| 00:26.30 | navi | ok the xsevrer reconfiguration is done |
| 00:26.31 | grivell | or zero |
| 00:26.33 | dureyes | can someone suggest to me a very excellent cd and dvd recording application to use under gnome?? TIA |
| 00:26.38 | paulswm | dabreegster: Ah, that would be a snag, then. |
| 00:26.40 | darkfame | it's great for erasing diskdrives with sensitive data |
| 00:26.41 | navi | now i what to start x |
| 00:26.45 | tarzeau | dureyes: cdrecord for cd |
| 00:26.50 | Phated | dabreegster: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=4 -data something.iso? |
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| 00:26.53 | Flimzy | dureyes: You do realize that "excellent" is a very relative term. |
| 00:27.01 | Phated | But cdrecord is. |
| 00:27.01 | darkfame | xcdroast, gnometoaster |
| 00:27.10 | navi | the comand to is start-x |
| 00:27.10 | asuffield | speed=4? get with the decade |
| 00:27.11 | grivell | k3b |
| 00:27.11 | shingouz | grivell: that is what i use if i install something on a system i am going to use personally. if i install linux on someone elses system on used hardware i tend to use random |
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| 00:27.17 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 00:27.21 | Phated | asuffield: <shrug> It was an example. |
| 00:27.27 | asuffield | everybody knows how cdrecord sucks, anyway |
| 00:27.35 | dabreegster | Phated: I get loads of errors about this and that and it eventually tells me i have no media inserted, when there's clearly a blank CD in there. |
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| 00:27.44 | Phated | dabreegster: Ohhh. |
| 00:27.52 | Phated | Wimp. |
| 00:27.55 | darkfame | lol |
| 00:28.04 | dabreegster | it sounds like a car horn. |
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| 00:28.17 | paulswm | It goes "beep beep"? |
| 00:28.18 | darkfame | brb, changing to irssi |
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| 00:28.22 | warty | shingouz, ok... so where can i get an updated kernel (i need to burn it to disk) |
| 00:28.27 | Phated | You're -sure- it's a floppy drive? |
| 00:28.39 | grivell | lol. Do floppies still exist? |
| 00:28.41 | navi | hmmm something is not working in my sarge |
| 00:28.57 | tarzeau | navi: was it working in your woody? |
| 00:29.06 | navi | hmmm |
| 00:29.10 | Phated | tarzeau: Heh. |
| 00:29.10 | navi | i cant start x |
| 00:29.12 | navi | :S |
| 00:29.18 | Phated | startx? |
| 00:29.19 | shingouz | grivell: stop that. there are occasions when even 5.25 inchers are useful. or at least needed.... |
| 00:29.24 | navi | let me try |
| 00:29.29 | warty | Phated, i have a usb 'nic' because my old laptop doesn't have a nic, but it has a usb port... and it works... and usuall pretty good... |
| 00:29.33 | navi | command not found |
| 00:29.43 | Phated | apt-get install x-window-system-core. |
| 00:29.50 | navi | ok |
| 00:29.52 | grivell | shingouz: usb keys, parallel zip drives. That about covers most situations. |
| 00:30.06 | Phated | warty: It's old enough to not have a NIC but has a USB port? |
| 00:30.13 | shingouz | warty: you could try to compile one for yourself or get somethign a bit newer from a debian repository |
| 00:30.16 | Phated | Weird, but all right. Your hardware. |
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| 00:30.22 | warty | Phated... yep |
| 00:30.24 | shingouz | then just dpkg -i the new kernel |
| 00:30.26 | warty | it is a sony |
| 00:31.04 | idnar | Phated: my laptop has built-in firewire and usb, but no ethernet (I use a PCMCIA card) |
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| 00:31.14 | Phated | Sad. |
| 00:31.19 | idnar | yup |
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| 00:31.25 | dabreegs1er | Dialup died. |
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| 00:31.32 | Phated | Also sad. |
| 00:31.37 | NickHill | I have created a sarge filesystem. What is the program which configures stuff like fsta, networking etc? |
| 00:31.48 | FieldySnuts | didn't know there was a sarge filesystem |
| 00:31.52 | FieldySnuts | mkfs.sarge ? |
| 00:31.52 | shingouz | idnar: awww.. poor thing. i have laptops that have only one pcmcia and no usb. they are tha old |
| 00:31.57 | stew | warty: you are running woody? |
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| 00:32.02 | warty | Phated... lol... but it has a MODEM |
| 00:32.04 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: with extra large inodes |
| 00:32.07 | NickHill | FieldySnuts, using debootstrap |
| 00:32.14 | Phated | FieldySnuts: "a filesystem created with d-i". |
| 00:32.14 | warty | stew i am not sure... |
| 00:32.21 | stew | warty: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:32.30 | Phated | warty: Some mirror of me in another dimension cares. I don't. Have a nice day. |
| 00:32.52 | FieldySnuts | oo |
| 00:32.54 | warty | 3.0 |
| 00:33.07 | navi | ok |
| 00:33.08 | navi | done |
| 00:33.17 | Phated | startx. |
| 00:33.25 | stew | warty: you can download a newer kernel from ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/ |
| 00:33.36 | dabreegs1er | brb. gunna restart and try out the boot floppies. |
| 00:33.37 | stew | warty: look for kernel-image-2.4.18-... |
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| 00:33.40 | navi | i think i have to edit the XFree86config-4 |
| 00:33.43 | Xemacs__ | it must be sunday |
| 00:33.44 | navi | whit vi |
| 00:33.50 | Phated | No, you don't. |
| 00:33.59 | warty | ok, thanks stew |
| 00:34.02 | tarzeau | Xemacs__: weekend, yes |
| 00:34.02 | stew | warty: but i have no idea if your nic is supported in 2.4.18 |
| 00:34.04 | Phated | Just... dpkg-reconfigure, if you have to. |
| 00:34.10 | navi | it say that i have to vga cards |
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| 00:34.23 | shingouz | warty: the latest 2.4 shoudl do the trick for now |
| 00:34.23 | navi | it say that i have 2 vga cards |
| 00:34.25 | Phated | vga is not a verb. |
| 00:34.29 | paulswm | Bye, all, stay safe. |
| 00:34.36 | navi | it say that i have 2 video cards |
| 00:34.38 | navi | ;) |
| 00:34.45 | simonrvn | see ya paulswm |
| 00:34.50 | Monkeyboy | Is irsii available as a debian package or do I have to compile it from source? |
| 00:34.51 | stew | warty: if its not you'll need to compile a newer 2.4 kernel yourself or dist-upgrade to sarge to get a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:35.21 | Phated | Then you tell it to use one of them. |
| 00:35.21 | tarzeau | Monkeyboy: irssi-text |
| 00:35.21 | paulswm | simonrvn: Hey, see ya, have a good one. |
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| 00:35.24 | Flimzy | Monkeyboy: apt-cache search irssi |
| 00:35.56 | black-dog | can anyone advise why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is not writing to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:36.00 | navi | let me try with dpkg |
| 00:36.17 | simonrvn | black-dog: read comments at the top of it on how and why |
| 00:36.19 | Phated | black-dog: Because you edited it by hand before and didn't change the md5sum. Read the comments. |
| 00:36.19 | Flimzy | black-dog: Did you tell it to? |
| 00:36.23 | Monkeyboy | thanks |
| 00:36.26 | stew | black-dog: becuase you edited it by hand or removed it; /msg dpkg confmiss ; or /msg dpkg set up x |
| 00:36.47 | black-dog | :) |
| 00:37.11 | black-dog | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.21 | stew | msgmiss |
| 00:37.27 | black-dog | check |
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| 00:37.38 | dorkest | question : how do i fix this : HP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/apd.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/apd.so: undefined symbol: alloc_globals in Unknown on line 0 |
| 00:37.52 | tobi | how do I change the default WM in Sarge? |
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| 00:38.09 | Phated | There isn't one. |
| 00:38.09 | tobi | I am using wmaker and I want to use Openbox |
| 00:38.19 | tobi | I am using XDM |
| 00:38.20 | Phated | So install openbox and remove wmaker. |
| 00:38.26 | simonrvn | tobi: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 00:38.28 | Phated | Doesn't make a heck of a difference. |
| 00:38.47 | DarkFame | Bored? Check out apt-get install bb |
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| 00:38.57 | baraba | I typed 192.168.1.1 to connect to computer in LAN, and I got the answer: server refused connection. What's the problem? |
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| 00:39.11 | simonrvn | baraba: it isn't running |
| 00:39.33 | baraba | simonrvn: power is on |
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| 00:39.49 | simonrvn | no.. the daemon isn't running |
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| 00:40.13 | baraba | simonrvn: could you tell how to fix this? |
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| 00:40.19 | simonrvn | start it |
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| 00:40.32 | DarkFame | what daemon are we talking about? |
| 00:41.05 | baraba | simonrvn I mean how to start daemon? which command? |
| 00:41.05 | stew | dorkest: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:41.08 | navi | ok i know what is happening |
| 00:41.24 | navi | missnig line in xf86 |
| 00:41.26 | navi | ;) |
| 00:41.46 | navi | what is the comand to edit whit vi |
| 00:41.55 | DarkFame | i or insert |
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| 00:42.03 | navi | thx |
| 00:42.37 | DarkFame | escape to exit edit mode, and :wq to write and quit. |
| 00:42.39 | tobi | dpkg xsession doesnt work |
| 00:42.40 | dpkg | tobi: no idea |
| 00:42.48 | simonrvn | baraba: /etc/init.d/service start, invoke-rc.d service start. watch your logs. most if not all daemons make logs. read them if it doesn't start. they're vrey helpful to debug things. also to keep track of what's going on. so keep reading them |
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| 00:43.04 | simonrvn | tobi: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 00:43.05 | tarzeau | p2-mate: hey i got X working. thank you on the alpha using your hint |
| 00:43.13 | p2-mate | hi tarzeau |
| 00:43.13 | baraba | simonrvn: i'll try this |
| 00:43.14 | tarzeau | p2-mate: i should probably send that as a note to the bts |
| 00:43.18 | p2-mate | tarzeau: aha. good |
| 00:43.25 | simonrvn | p2-mate: good evening sir |
| 00:43.35 | p2-mate | hi simonrvn :) |
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| 00:44.20 | simonrvn | wow, they fixed afs to build on 2.6. nice |
| 00:44.33 | p2-mate | good :) |
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| 00:45.15 | Flimzy | Can anyone recommend a tool to undelete files on a fat32 partition from Linux? |
| 00:45.32 | shingouz | Flimzy: rm |
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| 00:45.38 | shingouz | oh. sorry |
| 00:45.48 | Flimzy | shingouz: uh |
| 00:45.50 | simonrvn | *un*delete ;) |
| 00:45.56 | shingouz | yeah. sorry |
| 00:45.58 | Flimzy | shingouz: I think not. |
| 00:45.59 | shingouz | i need more caffeine |
| 00:46.41 | simonrvn | apt-get install coffee-maker-howto |
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| 00:47.13 | Unified | hi, since i've installed udev, i can't play audio cds as a regular user, only as root. what happened? |
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| 00:47.40 | simonrvn | Unified: file permissions on the device files i bet |
| 00:47.43 | thu | anyone know of a good instant messenger that has an Aol pluggin on debian or linux? |
| 00:48.06 | DarkFame | amsn, gaim, kopete |
| 00:48.09 | Flimzy | thu: GAIM |
| 00:48.20 | Unified | simonrvn /dev/cdrom points to /dev/hdc, which is 666 |
| 00:48.25 | DarkFame | not sure about amsn though |
| 00:48.29 | Flimzy | thu: I use GAIM in Windows, too, b/c it's better than AOL|Yahoo|MSN|anything there as well |
| 00:48.33 | Unified | does the link also needs to be 666? |
| 00:48.33 | thu | Flimzy: thanks |
| 00:48.54 | Unified | oh it is |
| 00:49.02 | tobi | I must be doing something wrong, but dpkg xsession doesnt work! |
| 00:49.06 | Flimzy | thu: Plus it's nice not having to change interfaces every time I use a different OS. |
| 00:49.12 | simonrvn | Unified: a) don't set that 666 b) we're talking sound here |
| 00:49.25 | Unified | well everything else works |
| 00:49.33 | ug_ | ok so whats a good ftp gui? |
| 00:49.33 | Unified | can play mp3s in xmms for example |
| 00:49.38 | thu | Flimzy:thanks, i am installing it right now |
| 00:50.07 | simonrvn | Unified: you in cdrom group? |
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| 00:50.22 | Monkeyboy | <Unified> Try loggin in as su then do a adduser audio <username> |
| 00:50.29 | Unified | oh damn |
| 00:50.31 | dags | ug_: i like gftp |
| 00:50.35 | nevyn | logging in as su? |
| 00:50.36 | Unified | for some reason it kicked me out of cdrom group |
| 00:50.40 | Unified | will try, brb |
| 00:50.46 | ug_ | dags: thats what ive been using but i guess it has alot of bugs? |
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| 00:51.55 | Unified | works, thanks a lot |
| 00:52.21 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 00:54.24 | jordo23 | Does anyone know the default install dir for Konq in debian? |
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| 00:54.52 | Flimzy | jordo23: There are probably many. |
| 00:54.52 | stew | jordo23: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 00:54.59 | Flimzy | jordo23: In fact, there definately are many. |
| 00:55.06 | Flimzy | jordo23: No program has a _single_ install dir in Debian. |
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| 00:55.22 | skel_home | does sarge use security updates? or is that stable only? |
| 00:55.27 | jordo23 | Flimzy: where does the executable reside? |
| 00:55.30 | Flimzy | jordo23: Unless it's _strictly_ a documentation package. Then it's possible that _everything_ would be installed in /usr/share/doc/<package name> |
| 00:55.32 | stew | Flimzy: sure there are packages with a single install directory |
| 00:55.47 | Flimzy | jordo23: see stew's comment above. |
| 00:55.53 | tobi | clear |
| 00:56.01 | Phated | Yeah, like cowsay. "/usr/bin/" :) |
| 00:56.02 | Flimzy | stew: That's not possible with the Debian filesystem standards unless, as I stated above, it's purely a documentation package. |
| 00:56.21 | jordo23 | Stew: where is konq installed (for flash plugin installation reseasons) |
| 00:56.28 | jordo23 | reasons |
| 00:56.38 | Unified | what comes first at boot, modules or init scripts? |
| 00:56.38 | Flimzy | jordo23: Are you blind? |
| 00:56.44 | Flimzy | jordo23: Stew just told you how to check. |
| 00:56.46 | stew | jordo23: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 00:56.53 | Flimzy | jordo23: So why not do what he says, instead of being helpless. |
| 00:57.13 | Flimzy | Unified: modules are loaded as part of the init scripts. |
| 00:57.29 | Flimzy | Unified: So the answer to your question is "both" or "neither" depending on your perspective. |
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| 00:57.59 | Unified | okay, i think i have to ask another way: are the modules in /etc/modules loaded first or the init scripts? |
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| 00:58.34 | HelmutG | hi. what are the dangers making /dev/net/tun readwriteable for everyone? |
| 00:58.37 | Flimzy | Unified: The modules in /etc/modules are loaded from the init scripts. So the answer to your questio is "both" or "neither" depending on your perspective. |
| 00:58.46 | stew | skel_home: generally only stable, but sarge will shortly before it becomes stable (hasn't happened yet) |
| 00:58.53 | Unified | i should have known... :) |
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| 00:59.03 | Flimzy | HelmutG: packet sniffing |
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| 00:59.16 | Flimzy | HelmutG: Perhaps packet mangling |
| 00:59.21 | HelmutG | Flimzy: how could a user sniff packets on eth devices? |
| 00:59.34 | HelmutG | Flimzy: what do you mean with "packet mangling"? |
| 00:59.34 | Flimzy | HelmutG: With a packet sniffer. |
| 00:59.55 | HelmutG | Flimzy: but the user only gets access to tun* devices, not to eth* devices, right? |
| 01:00.03 | Flimzy | HelmutG: re: mangling, somebody could theoretically change packets, interject packets, remove packets, etc. |
| 01:00.18 | HelmutG | Flimzy: what are the dangers of injecting packets? |
| 01:00.23 | Flimzy | HelmutG: Which means they could sniff/mangle any packets going over the tun* devices. |
| 01:00.23 | skel_home | stew: ok thanks. =] Reading the Security FAQ now |
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| 01:00.40 | Flimzy | HelmutG: Somebody could send spam from your system... conduct credit card fraud, whatever. |
| 01:00.56 | HelmutG | Flimzy: ok. as i can see there are no "real" dangers. ;) |
| 01:00.57 | Flimzy | HelmutG: Basically, just don't do it. |
| 01:01.09 | Flimzy | HelmutG: If a specific user needs access, give it to them. But don't give access to everyone. |
| 01:01.15 | HelmutG | Flimzy: in fact i'm going to do this in a restricted way. |
| 01:01.23 | Flimzy | HelmutG: I guess for completely absurd and dillusional definitions of "real" you might be right. |
| 01:01.27 | stew | HelmutG: what is motivating you to do this? |
| 01:01.47 | Flimzy | HelmutG: Remind me never to hire you to run my network. |
| 01:01.52 | DarkFame | rofl |
| 01:01.55 | HelmutG | hehe. |
| 01:01.56 | Flimzy | HelmutG: In fact, remind me to laugh in your face when you submit a job application. |
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| 01:02.10 | HelmutG | stew: this answer is difficult. wait a bit please. |
| 01:02.32 | HelmutG | Flimzy: i don't see a better alternative, so let me explain. |
| 01:02.49 | HelmutG | in a wireless environment nodes not always are "in range". |
| 01:02.49 | stew | HelmutG: can you use sudo instead of changing permissions? |
| 01:03.00 | Phated | You don't give anything 777 permissions. Remember how 66 is the number of the devil... Well, they got it wrong, it was 777. |
| 01:03.05 | HelmutG | packets have therefore to be routed (dynamicaly) accros nodes. |
| 01:03.12 | HelmutG | Phated: /tmp? ;) |
| 01:03.25 | Phated | HelmutG: Actually... No. |
| 01:03.36 | HelmutG | Phated: 4777 |
| 01:03.36 | Flimzy | stew: He hacked root on his boss's primary server, and now he wants to know if there's any chance he can commit undetectable credit card fraud by simply changing the permissions on the tun devices. |
| 01:03.46 | Phated | Heh. |
| 01:03.51 | HelmutG | i therefore want to create a tun device. |
| 01:03.55 | remote_login_nub | does anyone have mgetty configured i want to copy their line from /etc/inittab to respond to dialin |
| 01:04.15 | Flimzy | HelmutG: So create a tun device. But don't make it world read/writable. |
| 01:04.19 | HelmutG | everyone on that network would be able to inject packets to that tun device just as if he had access to /dev/net/tun |
| 01:04.29 | Flimzy | remote_login_nub: I used to configure mgetty in my sleep. |
| 01:04.44 | Flimzy | remote_login_nub: Until I came across portslave. Then mgetty went away. Yay! |
| 01:04.46 | Phated | (Which explains why he doesn't remember how to.) |
| 01:04.53 | Flimzy | remote_login_nub: The mgetty documentation provides usable examples for what you need. Look there. |
| 01:04.54 | HelmutG | Flimzy: it was only to simplify the question. in fact there will be a daemon, restricting access to one single tun device. |
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| 01:05.07 | Flimzy | remote_login_nub: (in fact, I think inittab itself has examples for mgetty in it. You just have to uncomment one) |
| 01:05.25 | remote_login_nub | I am in a bad way. i uncommented adn it didnt work |
| 01:05.26 | thomas_adam | Flimzy: It does, along with the manpage, which no one ever reads. |
| 01:05.27 | HelmutG | so the question still exists. what are the dangers letting anyone write arbitary packets to my tun device? |
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| 01:05.37 | Flimzy | HelmutG: That still doesn't explain why you need it to be world read/writable. |
| 01:05.41 | thomas_adam | HelmutG: Chaos, and mayhem. |
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| 01:06.00 | Flimzy | remote_login_nub: Well then figure out WHY it didn't work. |
| 01:06.01 | dabreegster | hey, the boot.img d-i floppy works great. When I get to the boot screen, i plop in the root.img floppy and press enter. It says 'linux kernel not found'. I tried 2 different floppies with the root.img. What now? |
| 01:06.02 | HelmutG | Flimzy: i don't need it world rw. it was only a similar situation. |
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| 01:06.14 | Flimzy | HelmutG: What are the dangers of me calling 911 on your cell phone? |
| 01:06.33 | Phated | dabreegster: Did it ask you for root.img yet? No, in which case just hit enter -first-. There -will- be a prompt for root.img. |
| 01:06.38 | Flimzy | HelmutG: What are the dangers of me intercepting all of your calls and deleting or changing your voicemails. |
| 01:07.02 | dabreegster | Phated: oh. |
| 01:07.05 | HelmutG | as far as i can see none if i do not trust the trafic. ;) |
| 01:07.07 | Flimzy | remote_login_nub: If I gave you the line I used in inittab, it wouldn't work for you anyway, since your situation is different than mine (and everyone else's). |
| 01:07.07 | Phated | dabreegster: Yes. |
| 01:07.10 | dabreegster | i think I tried that. |
| 01:07.14 | dabreegster | I'll try again. |
| 01:07.21 | Flimzy | HelmutG: Then why on earth did you ask about world read/writable? |
| 01:07.25 | HelmutG | the tun device get a state similar to an internet connection. |
| 01:07.33 | Phated | dabreegster: There will be something, at some point, asking you for a root something or other. |
| 01:07.51 | Flimzy | HelmutG: I've used tun devices before. I know how they work. |
| 01:08.03 | HelmutG | Flimzy: for not having to explain the whole situation. it would have been shorter to explain, because it would have the same effect. |
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| 01:08.05 | Flimzy | HelmutG: I also know there's no reason you should ever need to change their permissions. |
| 01:08.16 | stew | !unix lessons |
| 01:08.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 01:08.23 | stew | ^^^ #1 |
| 01:08.26 | HelmutG | Flimzy: forget about setting device permissions. |
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| 01:08.47 | HelmutG | Flimzy: now think of a daemon listening to some port and writing every incomming data packet to the tun device. |
| 01:09.10 | HelmutG | Flimzy: that is a slight change in the situation (the user can nolonger call ioctl() ;) |
| 01:09.46 | HelmutG | anyway i've still not seen any real dangers yet. |
| 01:09.49 | Flimzy | HelmutG: I've stopped caring. Your situation sounds very fubar and way more complex than necessary. |
| 01:09.52 | HelmutG | dangers like dos. |
| 01:10.10 | Flimzy | I still don't see any real application |
| 01:10.12 | HelmutG | Flimzy: hm. how to organize a mesh then? |
| 01:10.34 | HelmutG | i just ont to have a working and easy-to use mesh. mobilemesh seems a bit outdated. |
| 01:10.34 | remote_login_nub | flimzy what is the meaning of the two places ttyS0 in teh line T3:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty ttyS0 -D /dev/ttyS0 |
| 01:10.35 | DarkFame | why not just say the real reason you need to do this, HelmutG? |
| 01:10.38 | Flimzy | HelmutG: Why not use an established dynamic routing protocol? |
| 01:10.41 | Phated | Why wouldn't there a danger of a dos? |
| 01:10.46 | Flimzy | HelmutG: And forget about tun devices? |
| 01:10.46 | Flimzy | HelmutG: Like everyone else who does that. |
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| 01:11.02 | HelmutG | Flimzy: you know some good implementation? |
| 01:11.03 | Phated | Anyone can write to it. Thus, everyone can write to it incessantly. DOS-in-a-cup. |
| 01:11.08 | Flimzy | remote_login_nub: man mgetty should tell you that. |
| 01:11.21 | Flimzy | remote_login_nub: Note that T3 should probably be S0 |
| 01:11.32 | dabreegster | No go. Pressed enter at the prompt. It looked for linux, said not found and said 2 enter a disk. I did so and pressed enter. No go. Said not a bootable disk. I tried it for two seperate floppies, both w/ root.img on em |
| 01:11.34 | HelmutG | DarkFame: hm. good point. |
| 01:11.35 | Flimzy | HelmutG: of dynamic routing? I'd start by looking at Zebra. |
| 01:11.50 | Flimzy | HelmutG: Altho I've never used it personally (I did look INTO it a couple years ago, looked very interesting) |
| 01:12.19 | Flimzy | dabreegster: root.img does not make a floppy bootable. |
| 01:12.24 | Flimzy | dabreegster: You need a BOOT disc |
| 01:12.31 | Flimzy | dabreegster: not "a disk with a root image on it" |
| 01:12.34 | DarkFame | dab: you boot the boot disk, press enter at the debian logo screen (don't swap any disks here!) |
| 01:12.39 | Flimzy | dabreegster: The rescue.bin is probably what you want. not root.bin |
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| 01:12.45 | HelmutG | Flimzy: is zebra reactive or proactive? |
| 01:12.52 | shingouz | dabreegster: you boot the thing on the Boot floppy, hit enter and let the system chug for a while. you will see all kinds of screens and eventually it will ask for the *root* image |
| 01:12.54 | dabreegster | I'm trying to do debian installer for sarge w/ floppies |
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| 01:13.09 | Flimzy | HelmutG: You'll have to look into it to see. I don't know. Perhaps both. I think it supports multiple routing protocols. |
| 01:13.25 | Flimzy | HelmutG: They had (and probably still do) a very informative web page |
| 01:13.26 | black-dog | fuck i hate X |
| 01:13.27 | HelmutG | Flimzy: oadv? dsdv? dsr? |
| 01:13.28 | dabreegster | I put in the boot.img in there first. pressed enter. Said to insert disc with kernel. I put in root.img |
| 01:13.42 | black-dog | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.51 | shingouz | disk with kernel is the BOOT image |
| 01:13.53 | DarkFame | dabreegster: I think you're swapping disks too early. |
| 01:14.08 | dabreegster | DarkFame: well, there's not many other times. |
| 01:14.10 | Flimzy | HelmutG: Like I said, check out their web site for those details. |
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| 01:14.30 | Phated | dabreegster: No, boot.img -is- the one with the kernel. IIRC. |
| 01:14.33 | shingouz | dabreegster: it will specifically ask for the root image |
| 01:14.36 | Flimzy | HelmutG: If ever knew the names of every protocol it supported, it was 2 years ago and I've forgotten. Not to mention the list of supported protocols has probably grown. |
| 01:14.37 | dabreegster | DarkFame: at the prompt, I press enter, it looks for linux, doesn't find it. I insert the root.bin disk and try again. |
| 01:14.39 | aokaze | on cups "Allow From 127.0.0.1" that overrides the "Deny From All". Would any other Allow From also override? Another question can you add things like "Allow From 127.0.0.1, nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn" kind of situation? |
| 01:14.45 | dabreegster | Phated: I tried leaving boot.img in there. nada. |
| 01:14.47 | l3m | when starting vsftpd i get 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket |
| 01:14.49 | l3m | any ideas? |
| 01:14.49 | Phated | Hm. |
| 01:15.03 | Phated | dabreegster: Bah, use woody's boot.img, -that- worked fine enough. :) |
| 01:15.14 | dabreegster | Phated: but I'm going for sarge. :P |
| 01:15.15 | asuffield | rescue.bin |
| 01:15.19 | DarkFame | dabreegster: where did you get the boot.img? |
| 01:15.38 | Flimzy | dabreegster: You can always upgrade to sarge. |
| 01:15.41 | dabreegster | DarkFame: debian.org, sarge page, d-i page, i386 floppy thing. hangon. |
| 01:15.42 | DarkFame | l3m: already using that port for another daemon? |
| 01:15.47 | dabreegster | Flimzy: I'm no going that route. |
| 01:15.50 | Flimzy | dabreegster: Can you use a boot CD (instead of floppies)? |
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| 01:16.06 | dabreegster | Flimzy: I could find some1 to burn me the cd, but that's tougher |
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| 01:16.25 | DarkFame | using bootdisks to install sarge works fine, I did it a few hours ago. |
| 01:16.31 | Flimzy | dabreegster: You can even "upgrade" to sarge before woody is completely installed, by manually changing the sources.list before doing the main install |
| 01:16.37 | Flimzy | dabreegster: ah |
| 01:16.46 | aokaze | Doesnt anyone know anything about cups to help me with the question I already posted? |
| 01:16.56 | dabreegster | ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy |
| 01:17.09 | dabreegster | i got boot, root, and net-drivers images there. |
| 01:17.28 | Flimzy | aokaze: Cups _probably_ uses an order-based ACL. For instance, the earlier rule takes precident. |
| 01:17.46 | dabreegster | DarkFame: when you pressed enter at first prompt (boot.img) what did you do? |
| 01:17.50 | Flimzy | aokaze: That's typical with ACLs. To be sure, tho, you'll have to refur to CUPS documentation (which you should have done already) |
| 01:18.16 | aokaze | all cups docs dont tell anything |
| 01:18.20 | shingouz | dabreegster: you need to get the boot.img and dd it on a floppy. boot off that one and read the instructions. iirc there are a few F<something> instructions there |
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| 01:18.29 | Flimzy | aokaze: I *know* that's not true |
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| 01:18.37 | dabreegster | shingouz: I did. I did. |
| 01:18.41 | Flimzy | aokaze: B/c I've read them before, and they told me way more than I needed to know |
| 01:18.44 | aokaze | I looked at 5 already and dont realy explain |
| 01:18.52 | DarkFame | dabreegster: you're talking about the lilo prompt, right? |
| 01:19.01 | Flimzy | aokaze: Worst case, you can always experiment. |
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| 01:19.07 | dabreegster | DarkFame: the boot.img prompt for the d-i sarge floppy disks. |
| 01:19.13 | shingouz | DarkFame: no.. he is talkign about the installer prompt |
| 01:19.18 | Flimzy | aokaze: Well, actually worst case would be reading the source code. |
| 01:19.30 | HelmutG | Flimzy: it looks like zebra was designed to manage wird networks with static ips. |
| 01:19.47 | shingouz | dabreegster: did you try typig "linux" at the prompt before you hit enter? |
| 01:19.52 | chealer | aokaze: how would #debian help if cups docs don't? |
| 01:19.59 | Flimzy | HelmutG: I'm sure it was. Most routing protocols were. |
| 01:19.59 | dabreegster | shingouz: not quite, no. it looked for linux kernel anyway. |
| 01:20.06 | DarkFame | sounds like the lilo prompt to me |
| 01:20.09 | Flimzy | HelmutG: That doesn't mean it can't be adapted. |
| 01:20.15 | dabreegster | DarkFame: no, the debian installer prompt. |
| 01:20.23 | Flimzy | HelmutG: There are very VERY few protocols that were __designed for__ wireless networks. Especially in the TCP/IP world. |
| 01:20.29 | Unified | ah |
| 01:20.29 | Flimzy | HelmutG: That doesn't mean they can't be adapted. |
| 01:20.47 | shingouz | dabreegster: try linux. and check if there are some instructions on the floppy while youre at it. hit F!, F2 and so on, there should be some help |
| 01:20.54 | dabreegster | alright shingouz , thanks |
| 01:20.58 | Unified | does the kernel booted for the installation of sarge have usb support? |
| 01:21.05 | Unified | usb-storage in particular? |
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| 01:21.09 | DarkFame | yes |
| 01:21.09 | HelmutG | Flimzy: in wireless environments routing does not only include setting routes, but also being a router. |
| 01:21.19 | Flimzy | HelmutG: If static IPs are an actually necessity for Zebra, it's very trivial to use static private IPs for your routers. |
| 01:21.26 | DarkFame | even the floppy bootdisks have usb support |
| 01:21.35 | Flimzy | HelmutG: okay... so what's your point? |
| 01:21.38 | Unified | k thx |
| 01:21.41 | Flimzy | HelmutG: Linux can set routs and can be a router. So what's the problem? |
| 01:22.22 | HelmutG | Flimzy: is it really so easy? |
| 01:22.30 | cureless | whoops, sorry, hadn't configured that. |
| 01:22.46 | Flimzy | HelmutG: A couple years ago I was working on setting up a dynamic wireless network with dynamic routing. It never got out of the planning stages, but we were thinking of using IPv6 for the wireless network, with IPv4 on top of it. |
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| 01:23.07 | Flimzy | HelmutG: That would allow our wireless routers practically infinate static IP addresses (in the IPv6 range). And then our endpoints could do IPv4 over top of that. |
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| 01:23.15 | dondelelcaro | dif: I'm not going to be at scale much longer, and its faq-wiki |
| 01:23.18 | Flimzy | HelmutG: I don't know how usable that model is IRL... like I said, it never got out of the planning stages. |
| 01:23.44 | Flimzy | HelmutG: IPv6 Does have some provisions for dynamic networks that IPv4 does not. They may or may not be useful to you in your application. |
| 01:23.49 | HelmutG | Flimzy: i thought of ipv6 too. a good argument are "link local addresses". |
| 01:24.09 | Flimzy | HelmutG: But there's nothing that says you MUST use IPv4 (or any IP, for that matter) for your wireless "backbone", so long as you can tunnel IPv4 over top of it. |
| 01:24.30 | Flimzy | HelmutG: You could set up a broadcast farm if you wanted. Turn all of your routers into broadcaast bridges!! :) |
| 01:24.50 | HelmutG | Flimzy: ever heared of the word performance? |
| 01:25.16 | Flimzy | Yeah, that's something they used to do in highschool drama classes... :P |
| 01:25.16 | cthulfuego | Yay, I found my SGI t-shirt. |
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| 01:25.50 | Phated | Yay. |
| 01:26.17 | Flimzy | HelmutG: If I was doing that again, I'd look into IPv6. Although the protocol itself has some advantages, the applications for it are likely less mature than most IPv4 applications, so it may still not be very usable. |
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| 01:27.06 | cthulfuego | w |
| 01:27.13 | HelmutG | Flimzy: i used ipv6 in a practical environment. as long as you don't use the M$ "operating system", you don't have much problems. |
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| 01:27.23 | luctor | I have to reset the password for my users every 30 days or so why is this ? |
| 01:27.41 | remote_login_nub | how to identify if the machine is seeing the modem at /dev/ttyS0? |
| 01:27.44 | cthulfuego | luctor: You can change that. |
| 01:27.44 | luctor | that was my sambauser I ment to writ |
| 01:27.45 | dabreegster | No go. Everything I try either tells me Linux kernel not found or image not bootable. |
| 01:27.55 | dabreegster | I guess I'll try the CD. |
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| 01:27.58 | luctor | cthulfuego: where |
| 01:27.59 | cthulfuego | luctor: Oh, windows. Yeah, it's retarded that way. |
| 01:28.03 | asuffield | and that's not even the default, so you can change it the same way you set it in the first place |
| 01:28.03 | remote_login_nub | is there a place in /proc to see that |
| 01:28.11 | remote_login_nub | or dmesg |
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| 01:28.14 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 01:28.14 | luctor | cthulfuego: running samba on linux |
| 01:28.20 | shingouz | dabreegster: did you find any information behind the F-keys? |
| 01:28.32 | dabreegster | shingouz: I read everything, found nothing. |
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| 01:28.36 | luctor | cthulfuego: but anyway where can I set that for my linux users |
| 01:28.44 | cthulfuego | luctor: Yes. Go to the windows Users cp and tick the 'password doesn't expire' box on the users,. |
| 01:28.44 | marco666 | yuw |
| 01:29.00 | cthulfuego | luctor: Linux user passwords don't expire by default. |
| 01:29.02 | shingouz | dabreegster: and you did try the different commands on the help files contained? |
| 01:29.05 | dabreegster | yes. |
| 01:29.08 | HelmutG | Flimzy: at least, most daemons (like ssh, apache, bind9, exim, xinetd, ...) and most client applications (like mozilla/firefox, ssh, w3m and others) support it. |
| 01:29.10 | shingouz | :( |
| 01:29.46 | nullvoid | how can I get my real IP (inet) address from bash, I am connected to the net via a router with assigned private IP, currently I am checking my ip by www.whatitmyip.com, so how do I do it in shell? |
| 01:29.46 | shingouz | dabreegster: for the hell of it, try extracting the boot.img on another floppy and try once more |
| 01:29.49 | Flimzy | HelmutG: The question would be, do things like Zebra, or whatever routing protocal/scheme you use, support it? |
| 01:30.07 | dabreegster | After a while, I will shingouz |
| 01:30.11 | Flimzy | nullvoid: ifconfig |
| 01:30.15 | cthulfuego | nullvoid: lynx -dump http://www.cc.com.au/ip.php |
| 01:30.18 | HelmutG | Flimzy: dunno. i think i'm going to reinvent the wheel. |
| 01:30.19 | remote_login_nub | how to tell if the kernel sees a modem on a serial port? |
| 01:30.37 | luctor | cthulfuego: exactly but how can I make them expire. I cant set dont expire cause I dont have a windows box. I set a separate samba password for my linux users that can log on from windows to get theuyre catalog |
| 01:30.41 | asuffield | the kernel does not see modems on serial ports |
| 01:30.48 | shingouz | dabreegster: if you have a cd-burner there, why not burn the cd |
| 01:30.55 | cthulfuego | nullvoid: The only eay to do it from a shell (if you're behind a router) is to query the router directly. (via snmp maybe) |
| 01:31.12 | dabreegster | shingouz: can't get cd burner to work |
| 01:31.29 | dabreegster | cdrecord -scanbus tells me it can't open /dev/pg* |
| 01:31.30 | shingouz | dabreegster: what is the os you have the burner on? |
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| 01:31.42 | shingouz | try as root.... |
| 01:31.55 | dabreegster | linux kernel 2.6.7-1-i386 |
| 01:31.59 | dabreegster | I am root when I do it |
| 01:32.03 | cthulfuego | luctor: See if 'man usermod' helps at all. |
| 01:32.16 | HelmutG | Flimzy: one big disadvantage of most implementations i know is that they all run in kernel space or requrive root privileges. |
| 01:32.18 | cthulfuego | dabreegster: Then you need to check the cdrecord README |
| 01:32.21 | nullvoid | sthulfuego: snmp interesting, how |
| 01:32.25 | dabreegster | how do I create the /dev/pg* devices? |
| 01:32.26 | dabreegster | ok |
| 01:32.27 | HelmutG | Flimzy: is this really needed for routing? |
| 01:32.32 | shingouz | hmm... /dev/pg? ...*pg*...? |
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| 01:32.48 | cthulfuego | shingouz: yeah., Those are freebsd devices. |
| 01:33.05 | dabreegster | shingouz: the scsi devices, I think |
| 01:33.16 | cthulfuego | dabreegster: no, those are sg* |
| 01:33.21 | dabreegster | oh |
| 01:33.30 | luctor | cthulfuego: *looking |
| 01:33.32 | shingouz | when i do the cdrecord --scanbus i get stuff like dev=0,0,0 |
| 01:33.38 | cthulfuego | dabreegster: Basically, it's checking pg* coz you haven't loaded the correct scsid rivers. |
| 01:33.48 | dabreegster | ah |
| 01:33.55 | dabreegster | know which ones I could try? |
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| 01:35.12 | shingouz | (i'll pass this one, not enough experience with 2.6 yet) |
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| 01:35.47 | dabreegster | Hmm, boot floppies aren't working and I can't get hold of a CD. This is annoying. |
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| 01:36.17 | shingouz | dabreegster: try the sarge or woody floppies, then just upgrade the system |
| 01:36.30 | shingouz | heck even potato floppies work |
| 01:36.43 | cthulfuego | dabreegster: ide-scsi and sg |
| 01:36.48 | fsc | gotta love debian network boot floppies.. |
| 01:36.50 | dabreegster | ok |
| 01:36.56 | cthulfuego | dabreegster: I *did* mention a README before, didn't I? |
| 01:36.58 | fsc | something about bootstrapping your system up from a floppy is cool |
| 01:37.04 | dabreegster | yeah cthulfuego, I read it |
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| 01:37.28 | Flimzy | HelmutG: They run in kernel space becuase that's where routing takes place. |
| 01:37.32 | dabreegster | I modprobed both of those and tried -scanbus again. I give up. |
| 01:37.50 | Flimzy | HelmutG: routing is handled by the kernel. There's no other way (given the current design) to do routing. |
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| 01:38.11 | shingouz | dabreegster: check the cdwriting howto, its pretty much all there |
| 01:38.18 | dabreegster | alrighty |
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| 01:41.07 | dabreegster | Looks like I've got an ATAPI CDRW. How could i find out info on the make/model on it if nothing is actually written on the drive? |
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| 01:42.33 | shingouz | dabreegster: it doesnt really matter that much who actually made the thing, they just tend to work |
| 01:42.33 | Gumby | I've installed kernel-source-2.6.8 and extracted it in /usr/src and then did ln -s kernel-source-2.6.8 linux. when trying to build a module for lirc it is telling me that "/usr/src/linux" is not a valid source tree. did I miss something? |
| 01:42.51 | dabreegster | shingouz: alright, I'll keep reading.. |
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| 01:43.48 | HelmutG | Flimzy: do you know something about round robbin routing? |
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| 01:45.59 | Monkeyboy | Dab: this may be overly simplified, but have you tried make a symbolic link from whatever /dev the cdburner is using to the one the burner program is asking for |
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| 01:46.52 | Phated | You don't need a symlink if you're using something like cdrecord. |
| 01:47.05 | dabreegster | I dunno which device to use. |
| 01:47.17 | kingsley_ | Why would xscreensaver stop recognizing keyboard input? |
| 01:47.22 | Monkeyboy | try dmesg to see what the kernel booted it up as |
| 01:47.52 | dabreegster | I think hdc or hdd |
| 01:48.12 | Monkeyboy | its probably a program configuration problem but a symlink may get you going for now |
| 01:48.50 | dabreegster | When I had a drive with Xandros and sarge packages on it, it saw the burner and talked to it, but ended up in some error (don't remember what) |
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| 01:49.12 | Monkeyboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.20 | mrwill | how do I send mail to all regular user accounts on the system? |
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| 01:49.59 | dabreegster | Monkeyboy: when I run cdrecord -scanbus, it says /dev/pg* missing |
| 01:50.15 | bob2 | erk |
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| 01:51.29 | Monkeyboy | try ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/pg*, its a workaround, but it may work |
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| 01:52.21 | dabreegster | ok |
| 01:53.07 | bob2 | wtf? |
| 01:53.08 | bob2 | no |
| 01:53.10 | bob2 | that won't work |
| 01:53.27 | dabreegster | none of this works. /dev/pg* doesn't even exist. |
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| 01:53.35 | dabreegster | and the scripts in that HOWTO aren't helping. |
| 01:53.44 | dabreegster | What would be the debian way to get this working? |
| 01:53.45 | bob2 | of course not |
| 01:53.54 | bob2 | no one actually has parallel port cd burners |
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| 01:54.01 | bob2 | if you get that error, you fucked up the modules |
| 01:54.08 | prozaknathan | i love knoppix |
| 01:54.09 | bob2 | are you using 2.6? |
| 01:54.10 | dabreegster | I didn't. |
| 01:54.13 | dabreegster | yeah, 2.6.7 |
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| 01:54.15 | prozaknathan | ok i just want ever one to know |
| 01:54.15 | tarzeau | prozaknathan: why? |
| 01:54.37 | bob2 | dabreegster: then cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso |
| 01:54.38 | bob2 | all done |
| 01:54.40 | prozaknathan | to be able to get an os up and running and online in under 3 mins is freaking great |
| 01:54.41 | bob2 | do not use -scanbus |
| 01:54.43 | bob2 | do not pass go |
| 01:54.52 | restrex | bob2 if you get that error, you fucked up the modules--- you're so refined |
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| 01:54.55 | restrex | ;) |
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| 01:54.56 | restrex | hahaha |
| 01:54.56 | dabreegster | ok |
| 01:54.58 | airguitar | hi. i'm somewhat new to linux. i've been trying to get my soundcard working in debian (sudigy2 using emu10k1 driver). as a comparison, redhat picks it up and it works fine. debian picks it up and when i try to play a file, i hear nothing. volume is fine. any ideas? |
| 01:55.03 | komozo | :) |
| 01:55.04 | karsten | OT: http://funroll-loops.org/gentoo.jpg |
| 01:55.21 | orchid | airguitar: are you in the audio group? |
| 01:55.23 | bob2 | karsten: welcome to september 2004! |
| 01:55.24 | karsten | airguitar: You in audio group? Mixer levels set? |
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| 01:55.32 | karsten | bob2: Thank you. It was a better time. |
| 01:55.48 | bob2 | restrex: I hate it when people lead others down dark rabbit holes of useless debugging |
| 01:56.04 | airguitar | yes im in the audio group |
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| 01:56.22 | airguitar | mixer levels set - does this mean via the volume control? if so, then yes |
| 01:56.24 | chimaera | i switched to udev on my last kernel update and while udev and my removable media work fine together, my wlan-usb-stick is 'disconnected' every time i plug in another device (usb, ieee1284). any ideas? |
| 01:56.27 | dabreegster | bob2: well, I'll be darned. that worked. |
| 01:56.31 | dabreegster | thanks! |
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| 01:57.15 | dabreegster | it found the drive at least |
| 01:57.21 | bob2 | dabreegster: people seem to come up with the most confusing ways to try to make it work |
| 01:57.25 | bob2 | but that is a FAQ |
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| 01:57.35 | bob2 | and the only supported way to do ide cd burning on 2.6 |
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| 01:58.07 | Phated | dabreegster: I seem to recall suggesting that line as well... Some time back. :| |
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| 01:58.33 | dabreegster | hmm, it worked when i tried sending it just a random junk file. It did a bunch of stuff, then opened/closed the drive, and said no disk, wrong disk. now that's all it says, regardless of the disk i put in there. |
| 01:58.44 | dabreegster | Phated: you have to speak up. :P |
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| 01:58.51 | Phated | dabreegster: You have to clean out your eyes. |
| 01:58.55 | nirv | hi, can someone tell me if its posible to use my onboard raid controllers as normal ide controllers so i can have more devices? |
| 01:59.16 | bob2 | nirv: if it's on-board, it's almost certainly not actual raid, so "yes" |
| 01:59.23 | karsten | nirv: JBOD. |
| 01:59.25 | m00k0w | I'm setting up Software RAID on a linux 2.6 box; does it matter if I set the partition types to 82 or FD? |
| 01:59.33 | karsten | !jbod |
| 01:59.33 | dpkg | [jbod] "Just a Bunch Of Disks" an acronym used for several independent SCSI Disks (as opposed to RAID) or RAID Level 7 |
| 01:59.36 | nirv | awesome |
| 01:59.55 | muppo | anyone got a suggestion how i can stream my webcam online? ( i got a logitech quickcam 4000pro that works i just want to stream it online ) |
| 02:00.00 | dabreegster | YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:00.07 | bob2 | muppo: gstreamer. |
| 02:00.11 | dabreegster | it worked. |
| 02:00.16 | dabreegster | I just opened the drive, jiggled the disk around, and tried again. |
| 02:00.27 | Phated | WTF... |
| 02:00.28 | karsten | bob2: For some reason I read that as "gaystreamer". This may be significant. |
| 02:00.36 | k-man | anyone know if linux under vmware can mount physical hdds? |
| 02:00.42 | Phated | :) |
| 02:00.43 | karsten | k-man: Yes. |
| 02:00.50 | bob2 | karsten: you should get out of Napa occassionally ;) |
| 02:01.00 | karsten | bob2: s/occasionally/permanently/ |
| 02:01.07 | k-man | karsten, ah, thanks |
| 02:01.08 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:01.35 | karsten | k-man: IIRC "direct access". You specify this in VMWare's disk/partition editor. Haven't used it since ~2002, not sure what current config looks like. |
| 02:01.50 | k-man | karsten, ok, thanks |
| 02:02.19 | dabreegster | Now I just have to download the 107MB ISO over a dialup (about 3.5kbps). YAY! |
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| 02:02.41 | bob2 | you can do that overnight |
| 02:02.45 | Gumby | I've installed kernel-source-2.6.8 and extracted it in /usr/src and then did ln -s kernel-source-2.6.8 linux. when trying to build a module for lirc it is telling me that "/usr/src/linux" is not a valid source tree. did I miss something? |
| 02:02.48 | Phated | FTLOG, get a gmail account, we'll email it... Oh wai that doesn't work either. Nevermind. :) |
| 02:02.49 | dabreegster | hmm, it stopped with 'cannot fixate disk'. I *was* using a small ISO, about 7MB and it said something about padding. |
| 02:02.49 | kalila | where do the kernel guys hang on on IRC? |
| 02:03.07 | dabreegster | kalila: #kernel? |
| 02:03.17 | bob2 | kalila: they don't |
| 02:03.28 | kalila | no time, for sure |
| 02:03.33 | k-man | is there debian install images that are smaller than netinst? |
| 02:03.35 | bob2 | Gumby: er, you don't use the kernel source to build modules |
| 02:03.42 | bob2 | k-man: business card is 40MB |
| 02:03.47 | bob2 | kalila: no, no point |
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| 02:04.04 | k-man | bob2, and does that give you enough to do apt-get once installed? |
| 02:04.05 | bob2 | actual development hapenning on IRC is a pretty new thing |
| 02:04.05 | kalila | right, they have their super crazy mailing list |
| 02:04.13 | dabreegster | Cannot fixate disk, what would that mean? |
| 02:04.18 | bob2 | k-man: it downloads a ton of stuff during the install |
| 02:04.22 | bob2 | dabreegster: you know what that means |
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| 02:04.25 | corman54 | hi |
| 02:04.30 | k-man | bob2, ok, thanks |
| 02:04.31 | corman54 | i have a big problem |
| 02:04.32 | bob2 | I don't think anyone can guess *why* it's happening |
| 02:04.34 | corman54 | well 2 |
| 02:04.40 | dabreegster | bob2: er. no... |
| 02:04.50 | corman54 | first am from spain and my english is like a shit |
| 02:04.58 | toresbe | !espanol |
| 02:04.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:05.00 | toresbe | :) |
| 02:05.13 | karsten | k-man: debootstrap. |
| 02:05.40 | corman54 | lol |
| 02:05.55 | corman54 | he problem is that now they cant help me |
| 02:06.02 | corman54 | i have problem with sata-raid |
| 02:06.06 | toresbe | ah |
| 02:06.23 | airguitar | how do i start the "hald" service? |
| 02:06.25 | karsten | k-man: If you've got a bootable distro (eg: Knoppix), you can run debootstrap. Which isn't really smaller than netinst, but it's runnable from a lot of stuff. You can also do a chroot install based on the potato 2.2 base tarball, about 11-15 MB. From that, update through to woody/sarge. |
| 02:06.34 | karsten | airguitar: /etc/init.d/hald start Most likely. |
| 02:06.49 | k-man | karsten, thanks |
| 02:07.00 | k-man | i'll try the business cd |
| 02:07.02 | airguitar | it's not there |
| 02:07.03 | dabreegster | I presume 'cdrecord foo.iso' will work, since i don't see any ISO-specific options. |
| 02:07.04 | k-man | i think |
| 02:07.05 | corman54 | i have and amd64 with asus kv8-x and 2 sata integrated in the via sata raid vt6420 controller |
| 02:07.07 | karsten | k-man: Google "debian chroot install site:twiki.iwethey.org" |
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| 02:07.29 | karsten | k-man: netinst is your likely best bet, but there _are_ alternatives, if you need 'em. |
| 02:07.32 | dabreegster | gotta go, thanks guys |
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| 02:07.46 | lawnchair | heh |
| 02:07.47 | lawnchair | yes |
| 02:07.50 | lawnchair | lets irc as root! |
| 02:08.00 | OpenRealty | lets say I have a server running debian and I configure a backup server in case it fails, can I set my ipcop gateway to give the backup a wake on lan command in case main server is non responsive? |
| 02:08.00 | karsten | k-man: ...installing to a ThinkPad 486 w/ a floppy and serial networking via toms root boot, base 2.2 tarball, and chroot, is my current claim to fame. |
| 02:08.14 | corman54 | 2 sata disck drives (200gb ) |
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| 02:10.35 | shingouz | karsten: why not use the potato or woody floppies, then just enable the pcmcia and slap in the nic modules to proceed from there. been there, done it |
| 02:11.27 | karsten | shingouz: Well, I've got the potato tarball, and know the procedure. One thing less to d/l. |
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| 02:11.47 | shingouz | karsten: good point |
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| 02:18.29 | Bac9 | can anyone recomend a good web browser? although I like gtk, it doesn't handle scrolling properly so browsers such as galeon and firefox are out of the question, and as for konqueror, it needs all of kde to run, so any sugestions? |
| 02:18.49 | mrwill | Bac9: what's wrong with mozilla? |
| 02:19.04 | Ronin | Bac9: and whats wrong with galeon ? |
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| 02:19.10 | Bac9 | mrwill: based on gtk, so mouse doesn't scroll properly and anoys me a lot |
| 02:19.16 | Ronin | sorry kde i missed that |
| 02:19.17 | shingouz | links ;) |
| 02:19.21 | Bac9 | Ronin: based on gtk, so mouse doesn't scroll properly and anoys me a lot |
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| 02:19.32 | Ronin | then fix your mouse |
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| 02:19.36 | mrwill | Bac9: huh, are you sure you couldn't just fix the mouse? |
| 02:19.48 | Bac9 | Ronin: qt works just fine with my mouse |
| 02:20.21 | Bac9 | mrwill: how do you sugest I do that aside from going out and buying a new one? (they don't sell scrollpoint mice anymore, what a shame) |
| 02:20.28 | l3m | Bac9: you don't need to run "all of kde" just to run konqi |
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| 02:21.00 | mrwill | Bac9: I would guess something needs to be configured, but if you'd like me to suggest you buy a new one, I could do that. |
| 02:21.06 | Bac9 | l3m: konq still loads way to slow as I don't run anything else from kde konq is basically the only user |
| 02:21.30 | Bac9 | mrwill: and what needs to be configured? if it's a config issue then do tell |
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| 02:21.54 | _c | when i hit U in dselect, it seems to advise me to remove grep and many other required packages. |
| 02:22.07 | mrwill | _c: don't use dselect. |
| 02:22.18 | _c | please give something else to use. |
| 02:22.18 | Bac9 | mrwill: from what I understand from the gtk people it's a difference of how they and qt people interpret mouse events, and the gtk people don't feel like fixing theirs (already asked) |
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| 02:22.36 | prozaknathan | if tenacious D was an OS i think they would be Knoppix |
| 02:22.37 | Bac9 | _c: apt-get install aptitude;aptitude |
| 02:22.45 | _c | ok, thanks. |
| 02:22.52 | a_monkey | i thought debian had an irssi package. apt-get install irssi doesn't work :( |
| 02:23.01 | Ronin | a_monkey: irssi-text as i recall |
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| 02:23.17 | chealer | a_monkey: irssi-text |
| 02:23.18 | shingouz | a_monkey: apt-cache search irssi |
| 02:23.33 | Ronin | thats unanamous then |
| 02:23.34 | mrwill | Bac9: hmmm. that doesn't sound promising. if that is the case you might be out of luck. |
| 02:23.35 | Bog_ | what would you recommend for a Linux backup client? |
| 02:23.38 | chealer | oops. why is it so hard to figure such a simple thing? |
| 02:23.44 | _c | so is dselect broken and i shouldn't use it? |
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| 02:23.49 | mrwill | Bog_: what do you mean, backup client? |
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| 02:24.02 | mrwill | _c: it's just really byzantine and old. |
| 02:24.04 | Bog_ | mrwill: what program can I use to do a backup? |
| 02:24.08 | Bac9 | mrwill: I really like the scrollpoint mice, work fine in ms and qt, but suck in gtk |
| 02:24.15 | Bog_ | mrwill: like ntbackup in windows |
| 02:24.15 | mrwill | Bog_: recommend tar. |
| 02:24.24 | mrwill | Bog_: don't know anything about windows. |
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| 02:24.42 | anti-windows | using 3.1-Sarge, autoconf --version reports version 2.13, but Im looking for 2.5 or better...when i try to upgrade autoconf, it claims I've already got the latest version, yet this can't be true... |
| 02:24.58 | Bac9 | mrwill: and I like gtk, but can't use any app that requires lots of scrolling as the jumping and continuous scrolling even after I stop anoy me a lot |
| 02:25.00 | Bog_ | mrwill: just trying to think of a way to perform a backup of an entire system |
| 02:25.17 | Bog_ | mrwill: though more data, not so much system files |
| 02:25.28 | mrwill | Bog_: dd can make a very low level backup, but I think tar is probably what you want for that. |
| 02:25.39 | Bac9 | Bog_: way too many backup apps in debian, pick one and use it |
| 02:25.51 | Bog_ | mrwill: so I can schedule TAR to run nightly for all directories, and then FTP the resulting file to another system |
| 02:25.53 | mrwill | Bog_: I'd use dd if I was trying to outright duplicate a disk, tar otherwise. |
| 02:26.01 | Bac9 | Bog_: some are good for removable media, some for disk storage and others for server farms |
| 02:26.07 | mrwill | Bog_: sure, use cron to schedule tar |
| 02:26.19 | Bog_ | bac: I dont know what to pick yet.. preferably something very common and a command line interface |
| 02:26.35 | Bac9 | Bog_: if you're looking for network solutions read up on amanda or bacula |
| 02:26.40 | Bog_ | mrwill: I like the idea of tar |
| 02:26.46 | chealer | anti-windows: you're not using package autoconf2.13, are you? |
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| 02:26.56 | Bac9 | Bog_: different people like different things |
| 02:26.57 | cureless | Bog_, tar works. |
| 02:27.14 | RainbowW | in apache2, can you put more than one ServerName directive in a single VirtualHost block (eg www.blah.com and blah.com)? |
| 02:27.19 | cureless | Bog_, but if you want less setup hassle on your part you should look at the other options. |
| 02:27.25 | anti-windows | chealer: i don't think so...should I try to remove it first? |
| 02:27.26 | Bac9 | Bog_: nfs and faubackup work fine for me, for simple things tar will do, for real complex look at amanda |
| 02:27.36 | mrwill | RainbowW: I think you want the ServerAlias directive, that is what I use on apache 1.3. |
| 02:27.50 | Bog_ | bac: I host a site with a service provider.. I'd like to back it up regularly |
| 02:28.04 | Bog_ | bac: shared hosting |
| 02:28.07 | chealer | anti-windows: probably if you have it installed, since it conflicts with autoconf |
| 02:28.39 | Bog_ | bac: though I would like diff backups so I dont have to download the entire site all the time |
| 02:28.50 | anti-windows | chealer: thanks, that did it. |
| 02:29.00 | RainbowW | mrwill: that seems to be it, thanks. |
| 02:29.09 | mrwill | RainbowW: sure, no problem. |
| 02:29.26 | Bac9 | Bog_: packages.debian.org and search for backup, then read up and enjoy |
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| 02:29.40 | Bog_ | mrwill: here's the idea... schedule a daily backup... and schedule a weekly backup that would send data to a different computer |
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| 02:29.48 | Bac9 | Bog_: there is no _one_ answer to your question, it depends on your needs and preferences |
| 02:29.54 | Bog_ | bac: thanks |
| 02:30.04 | mrwill | Bog_: I do something sort of like this with shell scripts. |
| 02:30.18 | Bog_ | mrwill: what about differential? |
| 02:30.29 | Bog_ | mrwill: so I'm not downloading the entire site |
| 02:30.50 | mrwill | Bog_: I use find to find all files modified/created within a certain time interval, then make a tarball of those files. |
| 02:32.03 | Bac9 | Bog_: this is not microsoft world, there are plenty of alternatives, go read up and pick one |
| 02:32.29 | Bac9 | Bog_: and a lot of them meet your requirenment of differential backups and command line interface |
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| 02:36.20 | a_monkey | how do i add one of aterm's resources in .Xdefaults? |
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| 02:36.28 | RainbowW | so a dist-upgrade just upgraded apache2, mysql-common, libmysqlclient12, and related stuff. can someone point me in the direction of what's wrong over at http://www.myprivatespace.org, after the update? |
| 02:36.30 | pipeline | Bog_: Assuming you do not have shell access, you're probably going to end up using a simple mirror. Differential backups would involve a great deal of scripting. |
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| 02:36.38 | a_monkey | was it aterm.[resource]: [value] ? |
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| 02:37.16 | chealer | RainbowW: running sid? |
| 02:37.17 | Bac9 | pipeline: mirrordir does differential :-) |
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| 02:37.34 | mrwill | RainbowW: looks like some bad php code to me. |
| 02:37.41 | RainbowW | chealer: yes. i understand the "it's sid what do you expect" aspect, but i'd like an answer slightly more helpful than that. :) |
| 02:37.45 | gilles | how to see only the 10 first lines of a text file ? |
| 02:37.47 | RainbowW | mrwill: worked prior to the upgrade. |
| 02:37.54 | cureless | gilles, head |
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| 02:38.39 | jazzmans | Bac9:mirrordir does differential? or do you mean it parses the entire contents and edits to fill/remove as necessary? |
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| 02:38.52 | mrwill | RainbowW: did you just dist-upgrade to testing? |
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| 02:39.13 | RainbowW | mrwill: no, from sid a couple days old to last night's update. |
| 02:39.29 | a_monkey | does anybody 'round here know about addin' resources to ~/.Xdefaults? |
| 02:39.48 | mrwill | RainbowW: I think you're on your own then -- sid is not for servers. |
| 02:39.50 | cureless | a_monkey, maybe. |
| 02:39.54 | ArtVandalae | Do CD changers for the PC exist? |
| 02:39.54 | Bac9 | jazzmans: the latter |
| 02:40.09 | a_monkey | cureless: well...? what do you think? |
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| 02:40.13 | gilles | how to delete the n first line of a text file ? |
| 02:40.18 | cureless | a_monkey, about what? |
| 02:40.30 | jazzmans | Bac9,yeah, ok. I like mirrordir, I use it a lot. |
| 02:40.30 | chealer | RainbowW: so you run sid but you let us scan the BTS for you? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=294675 |
| 02:40.34 | a_monkey | cureless: about the answer to my question. you said "maybe" |
| 02:41.47 | Bac9 | jazzmans: but for something automated I prefer faubackup (was the first of the bunch to reach testing back in the days) |
| 02:42.01 | cureless | a_monkey, I mean, if you have a question, ask the question. If you get no answer wait for a while before asking again. But if you ask a question of "does anybody know" you won't get the answer to your real question. Maybe means, yes, somebody here probably knows, maybe me, but ask your question, not a prologue to it. |
| 02:42.29 | sussudio | ArtVandalae: yes, they've existed for years and years. |
| 02:42.34 | cureless | wow thar reads bad. |
| 02:42.54 | jazzmans | Bac9, faubackup, I'll have to check it out, thanks for the tip. I agree, I don't like to run mirrordir automated, for worry of deleting an important file accidently, and not finding out untill it's removed from the backup. :) |
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| 02:44.08 | Bac9 | jazzmans: back in the days when there was only tar and such, the first cron-based backup package to reach testing was faubackup, and I never really switched afterword as I already have so many backups |
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| 02:45.05 | ug_ | is there a tool i can use to monitor if the LPC port is getting data or not? |
| 02:45.23 | mwilson | ooooh, new X. |
| 02:45.24 | senin | when I install a kernel I compiled myself from kernel-source.2.6.10 ALSA reports "No soundcards found" while when running the sid version it correctly finids it as Intel 82801DB-ICH4, which option could I have got wrong |
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| 02:46.08 | Bac9 | senin: did you compile that driver? |
| 02:46.36 | Bac9 | mwilson: you actually read long changelogs? I usually last for maybe the first 5 screenfulls |
| 02:46.37 | senin | i have all snd* drivers same as original build according to lsmod |
| 02:46.49 | mwilson | Bac9: Damn straight I do. |
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| 02:47.12 | mwilson | Bac9: And I *always* read the X changelog before I let ANY of the packages of it install. |
| 02:47.15 | Bac9 | senin: and do you have anything autoprobing and loading them? something like discover or somesuch? |
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| 02:47.27 | mwilson | Bac9: I subscribe to debian-x for this purpose, among other things. |
| 02:47.44 | Bac9 | mwilson: how did X get such a special spot in your heart? |
| 02:47.57 | senin | since they show up in lsmod output doesn't that mean they are already loaded |
| 02:48.01 | _c | sorry, i'm new. i'm not seeing 2.6 kernel sources in aptitude on woody. is that expected? |
| 02:48.06 | FieldySnuts | @lart CANT_CHAT |
| 02:48.18 | mwilson | Bac9: Contrary to popular belief among morons, death does not result from not updating to the latest unstable every dinstall run. |
| 02:49.26 | adjacent | hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-386 is in apt. my kernel is 2.4.27-1.386 so i have a /lib/modules/ folder that matches. i dont see a kernel-image for the matching hostap version. what should i do? |
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| 02:49.34 | Bac9 | mwilson: that's exactly why I like all my bugs 10 days late :-) |
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| 02:49.57 | mwilson | Bac9: There are more than a few packages where I consider the maintainer incompetent (although X is not one of those) and scrutinize each upload closely before I allow it to be installed on any box I control. |
| 02:50.32 | mwilson | Bac9: Checking out X is just common sense. |
| 02:50.34 | Bac9 | mwilson: in that case what's your opinion of avifile (and its maintainer)? |
| 02:50.55 | mwilson | Bac9: Don't have one... don't use the package. |
| 02:51.37 | Bac9 | mwilson: best divx player in debian (with the most suborn maintainer [at least that's how it apears from the bug page]) |
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| 02:51.53 | mwilson | Bac9: I wouldn't know... I don't have any use for a divx player. |
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| 02:52.13 | jazzmans | autoconnect, grr. |
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| 02:52.15 | Stevie-O | what the hell |
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| 02:52.17 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
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| 02:52.55 | mwilson | Nummy... Debian's X will finally stop shipping Xprt. |
| 02:53.15 | Bac9 | mwilson: comes in handy when someone loans you a movie |
| 02:53.15 | mwilson | Unfortunately it'll probably just start depending on the equally broken xorg one. |
| 02:53.42 | mwilson | Bac9: When someone loans me a movie, I put the disc in the player (or the tape in the player, depending), and watch it. |
| 02:53.52 | mwilson | Bac9: I don't need the computer for that. |
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| 02:54.11 | Bac9 | mwilson: not all external players play divx |
| 02:54.36 | mwilson | Bac9: Why would I need an external player that played divx? |
| 02:54.48 | jazzmans | Bac9, neither of my external players play divx. |
| 02:54.52 | Rawplayer | what is wrong with this? http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=31545 |
| 02:55.06 | Bac9 | mwilson: "When someone loans me a movie, I put the disc in the player" and "I don't need the computer for that" <- therefore external player |
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| 02:55.31 | Bac9 | mwilson: do you only get mpeg2 encoded movies? |
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| 02:55.35 | mwilson | Bac9: Certainly. But what does that have to do with divx? |
| 02:56.06 | Bac9 | mwilson: divx is quite popular as far as movie encoders go |
| 02:56.07 | mwilson | Bac9: I don't know of any other way DVD's are encoded. I've never seen a divx DVD on a store shelf. |
| 02:56.28 | mrwill | anybody know a way to send an email to all the system users? |
| 02:57.04 | mwilson | mrwill: Yes, 10 sec or so of shell scripting. |
| 02:57.05 | Bac9 | mwilson: and what about movies that are long out of "print", and the only versions available are divx? or you don't watch anything older then brand new releases? |
| 02:57.17 | mwilson | Bac9: There are no such things. |
| 02:57.35 | Bac9 | mwilson: oh what a small world you live in, believe me there are |
| 02:57.37 | pipeline | Bac9: Uh, where would you find a divx version of something that's never been published? |
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| 02:57.39 | mrwill | mwilson: point taken. just get them out of /etc/passwd? |
| 02:57.48 | mwilson | Bac9: What you're dancing around is that you see nothing wrong with stealing things, and you think I should be the same way. |
| 02:57.58 | Bac9 | pipeline: published on tape years ago then riped to divx |
| 02:58.00 | pipeline | Infringement isn't theft |
| 02:58.00 | cureless | mrwill, or home directories, or mail spools. |
| 02:58.03 | pipeline | And I'm pretty sick of that. |
| 02:58.22 | pipeline | Bac9: If it was ever published anywhere, it's almost certainly available at low cost. Trust me. New old stock is amazing. |
| 02:58.28 | Bac9 | mwilson: why would you say I steal anything? |
| 02:58.42 | mwilson | [18:57] <Bac9> mwilson: and what about movies that are long out of "print", |
| 02:58.43 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:58.52 | mwilson | Pretty much obvious, your lack of morals. |
| 02:58.59 | Bac9 | pipeline: only tape and only incompatible format |
| 02:59.04 | vulture | mwilson: it isn't theft, it's copyright infringement |
| 02:59.12 | Bac9 | pipeline: or divx available at any corner store |
| 02:59.22 | pipeline | Bac9: Ahah, you live in a country where rampant piracy is common. |
| 02:59.37 | vulture | Bac9: your corner stores sell divx? right.. that's significant copyright infringement most likely |
| 02:59.40 | pipeline | Bac9: I don't much consider piracy a crime, I just hate people making up bullshit reasons for engaging in it. |
| 02:59.43 | Bac9 | mwilson: are you saying there is something wrong about watching old movies? |
| 02:59.47 | pipeline | vulture: It's likely insignificant. |
| 02:59.51 | mwilson | Bac9: Not at all. |
| 03:00.09 | vulture | pipeline: more significant if it's being mass manufactured and sold, rather than being passed around |
| 03:00.18 | Bac9 | pipeline: some things just aren't available any other way |
| 03:00.22 | mwilson | Bac9: It's where people like you get them that I have problems with. |
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| 03:00.37 | vulture | Bac9: how do you imagine your corner store got the divx form of the item? |
| 03:00.51 | vulture | Bac9: they have some original copy, chances are you could purchase such a copy as easily as they could |
| 03:00.54 | Bac9 | mwilson: so what exactly are you trying to say? please do say it straight out |
| 03:00.57 | mwilson | Bac9: Then you *dont' get them*, if they aren't available any other way. What a concept, huh? |
| 03:01.21 | pipeline | vulture: It's only significant if the government in the area gives a shit. |
| 03:01.28 | pipeline | vulture: Clearly, if it's being sold in a corner store, they don't. |
| 03:01.33 | Bac9 | vulture: true, problem is it's most likely on tape and it's most likely in an incompatible format... as such I am sol |
| 03:01.42 | vulture | Bac9: incompatible with what? |
| 03:01.48 | pipeline | Bac9: I think the more important question is why you care what mwilson thinks. Or why copyright infringement matters. |
| 03:01.51 | vulture | and what's wrong with tape? I have many tapes.. |
| 03:01.52 | mwilson | Bac9: You have a problem with my actually having morals. I have an equivalent problem with your lack of morals. Allow me to point out that you were the one who started this discussion, not me. |
| 03:01.55 | Phated | If it's on tape... It will most likely be VHS, no? |
| 03:02.07 | vulture | Phated: he's probably talking PAL v NTSC |
| 03:02.08 | pipeline | VHS PAL and VHS NTSC aren't compatible, Phated. |
| 03:02.12 | xsdg | ok; I've got a 160GB RAID-1; what filesystem should I use (files will be approx 5-6 megs each) -- I no longer trust XFS, but I don't want to have to e2fsck 160 GB of stuff |
| 03:02.15 | Phated | Ah, I see. |
| 03:02.16 | vulture | but it's not hard to get VCRs for either |
| 03:02.27 | vulture | or both |
| 03:02.30 | Phated | Again, it's not as though one is a significantly more obscure format, is it? |
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| 03:02.41 | Bac9 | mwilson: so you're saying that you don't watch movies anywhere but the theater and never go to friends or invite friends to watch movies? |
| 03:02.44 | mwilson | xsdg: Then don't do things that *require* you to fsck it. |
| 03:02.48 | vulture | xsdg: gee.. a whole lot of 5-6 meg files, I wonder what they could be.. |
| 03:02.49 | cureless | vulture, you need the tv to be compatible or the vcr to convert the signal. |
| 03:02.56 | vulture | cureless: right |
| 03:03.07 | vulture | modern VCRs can convert, from what I've seen |
| 03:03.07 | mwilson | Bac9: No, I'm saying that when I do those things, it's with media I've legally acquired. |
| 03:03.11 | Phated | Bac9: He's saying he buys non-pirated, when he gets them. |
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| 03:03.17 | Bac9 | vulture: incompatible with available playback equipment |
| 03:03.24 | xsdg | vulture: pictures... I'm a photographer |
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| 03:03.30 | vulture | Bac9: then how do you think the people that ripped them managed to do so? |
| 03:03.36 | vulture | clearly they have some hardware that can play it back.. |
| 03:03.45 | Bac9 | pipeline: I am just observing how mwilson manages to turn any harmless conversation into an argument |
| 03:03.51 | vulture | it's not like such hardware has completely disappeared between the invention of divx and now |
| 03:03.55 | scarynetworkguy | Bac9: All of which clearly fall under fair use. |
| 03:04.08 | mwilson | Bac9: Funny how you were the one who started it, not me. |
| 03:04.25 | Bac9 | mwilson: oh the media is legally aquaried, it's payed for, the seller of the media was not robbed |
| 03:04.30 | scarynetworkguy | I steal music all the time. But I use the proper word for it. Theft. Don't try to justify what you are going to do any way. |
| 03:04.38 | vulture | Bac9: the media, the CD itself, but not the copyright |
| 03:04.40 | pipeline | Bac9: That's because mwilson is a dick. |
| 03:04.49 | Phated | Technically, scarynetworkguy, it's copyright infringement. |
| 03:05.05 | vulture | Bac9: the seller infringed copyright when they copied it and sold it on to you most likely (depending on locale-specific laws) |
| 03:05.06 | Bac9 | vulture: as I don't own any such movies, it's really none of my business |
| 03:05.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: True. But either way it ain't legal. :) |
| 03:05.24 | Phated | Well, yeah. |
| 03:05.32 | mwilson | pipeline: Don't make me out to be the villain here. You can't convince me that he's enough of a cluebie to not have understood exactly what I meant the first time I said I had no use for divx. |
| 03:05.35 | vulture | Bac9: so back to the original issue: what legitimate need for divx decoding do you have? |
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| 03:05.38 | pellywinkle87 | Hi, I can't start the xserver, does sarge have a problem with AIT radeon 9250? |
| 03:05.48 | Bac9 | mwilson: actually as I recall I just mentioned that avifile was a really good app, they the conversation spiraled into something else |
| 03:05.59 | vulture | Bac9: well? |
| 03:06.06 | pellywinkle87 | I had the same problem with ubuntu logfile here: http://pastebin.ca/5316 |
| 03:06.13 | Bac9 | vulture: so far just watching movies |
| 03:06.19 | pellywinkle87 | any ideas? |
| 03:06.50 | vulture | Bac9: didn't you just say you don't own any such movies? even borrowing them from a friend is much the same issue. |
| 03:07.10 | Bac9 | vulture: depends on country |
| 03:07.35 | Bac9 | vulture: some places it perfectly legal to copy from aquaintances for personal use |
| 03:08.26 | vulture | Bac9: got any references to precedent on that? |
| 03:08.33 | vulture | and is your place such a place? |
| 03:08.45 | Bac9 | vulture: yes (so far) |
| 03:08.57 | pipeline | mwilson: It's easy to caricature you as villian because you usually are. :) |
| 03:09.09 | vulture | so, references that verify your claim about legality - got any? |
| 03:09.13 | Phated | Well, according to the copyright notices you see on most videos/DVDs before they start, you're not even allowed to loan them out. <shrug> But you're not going to get busted for lending a movie to someone. |
| 03:09.16 | hennewou | Hi, I just built a new kernel with 'make-kpkg', but I forgot a kernel option (cramfs). Do I really have to build the kernel all over again (with 'make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel_image') , or can I rebuild the kernel with the added option in a faster way? |
| 03:09.29 | Bac9 | vulture: check my domain, then check laws for that country |
| 03:09.48 | vulture | Bac9: you claim that it's legal, I'm wondering on what basis you make that claim |
| 03:09.56 | Flimzy | Phated: I've never read a notice that said you couldn't loan/rent a video |
| 03:10.06 | Phated | Flimzy: Must be just here, then. |
| 03:10.12 | vulture | Flimzy: then you've never watched the begining of most movies |
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| 03:10.18 | vulture | the big "WARNING" screen with all the fine print |
| 03:10.18 | Flimzy | Phated: where is here? |
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| 03:10.22 | Flimzy | vulture: Sure I have. |
| 03:10.24 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: Are you .us? |
| 03:10.26 | Bac9 | vulture: but just so you know, there are pleanty of uncopyrighted works available, and when they are shared (e.g. weddings, burthdays, etc) they are usually divx due to its size |
| 03:10.27 | shingouz | incidentally the logitech pocketvideo cameras store the stuff they record as divx for example.... |
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| 03:10.29 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: yes |
| 03:10.30 | Phated | "Unauthorised rental or lending of this film without a licence is prohibited." |
| 03:10.39 | Flimzy | vulture: I know exactly what screen you're all refering to. |
| 03:10.49 | Bac9 | vulture: because here there's a tax on blank media to make it legal |
| 03:10.50 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: Stop the on the FBI warning and read it sometime. It says just that. |
| 03:10.55 | Flimzy | Phated: I've never noticed that phrase before. I'll watch next time. |
| 03:11.03 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: I've read them before. I've just never noticed that phrase. |
| 03:11.08 | dbron_ | A |
| 03:11.14 | Phated | Flimzy: It might be some variation, but I think I've seen enough to have it roughly memorised. |
| 03:11.18 | scorphus | hi all, how can I disable a module to be loaded at boot up? |
| 03:11.21 | vulture | Flimzy: most movies have somewhere near the begining a screen starting with "warning" in red at the top.. |
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| 03:11.34 | shingouz | scorphus: /etc/modules |
| 03:11.36 | Phated | And here, we get it in two languages. Bitch. |
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| 03:11.44 | Bac9 | vulture: which is a pain in the ass as it also covers all the media purchased for backup reasons |
| 03:11.47 | Flimzy | vulture: YES. As I've said like 3 times now... I know EXACTLY what screen you're all refering to. |
| 03:11.53 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: And you will notice that in .us the ones you get rent from the video store and the ones that you buy have different notices. |
| 03:11.53 | scorphus | shingouz: the module isn't listed there |
| 03:12.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eh, really. |
| 03:12.08 | vulture | what scarynetworkguy said |
| 03:12.32 | vulture | Phated: otherwise it wouldn't be legal for the video store to rent them out.. |
| 03:12.38 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: Perhaps that's my problem then. I almost NEVER purchase new movies. When I do buy movies, I usually get the 'previewed' ones from video rental places. |
| 03:12.42 | shingouz | scorphus: what module specifically do you mean? is it sometihng that is needed for the system to operate in the first place |
| 03:12.42 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah. At least here. |
| 03:12.44 | vulture | they have to be distributed under a different set of restrictions |
| 03:12.56 | vulture | Flimzy: then you'd miss it most likely, yes |
| 03:12.57 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: Very likely. |
| 03:13.03 | Phated | vulture: "without a licence" is in that sentence I quoted earlier. Most video stores have a licence. |
| 03:13.16 | Phated | At least, here they do, which is why the warnings all look the same. |
| 03:13.22 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Right. |
| 03:13.31 | Flimzy | Anyway... it's time for me to watch some illegal pirated download of Star Trek before I go to bed :) |
| 03:13.38 | scorphus | shingouz: it is a module for the sound card, intel810, it is an OSS module |
| 03:13.42 | vulture | Phated: *nods* perhaps some do it that way.. be easier *shrugs* |
| 03:13.49 | Phated | vulture: Aye. |
| 03:14.22 | shingouz | scorphus: modconf the stuff out of there or check /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 03:14.30 | sussudio | vulture: i have some rotten meat in the fridge |
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| 03:15.03 | toresbe | vulture: "take my wife, please" |
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| 03:15.54 | Bac9 | vulture: and all this started just because mwilson noticed a new X version and wanted to read its changelogs |
| 03:15.59 | Bac9 | vulture: :-) |
| 03:16.07 | scorphus | shingouz: modconf tell me that the module is in use |
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| 03:16.48 | shingouz | scorphus: lsmod and check what module uses the module you want to remove |
| 03:16.53 | Glitters | hello people :> |
| 03:17.42 | Glitters | btw, does anyone have an OFFLINE documents/tuterials for newbies in debian? or anything |
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| 03:17.53 | scorphus | shingouz: ok, rebooting the box |
| 03:18.07 | sussudio | in soviet russia, box reboots you |
| 03:18.12 | Bac9 | Glitters: wget debian.org :-) |
| 03:18.16 | cureless | Glitters, you can download documents from the debian site or tldp.org |
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| 03:18.22 | Bac9 | Glitters: wget -m debian.org <- that is |
| 03:18.23 | pellywinkle87 | Hi, my x server in sarge doesn't start even with the default XFree86 ati drivers |
| 03:18.23 | Glitters | Bac9: blehhh :PpPp |
| 03:18.34 | Glitters | allright |
| 03:18.37 | Glitters | btw |
| 03:18.43 | Glitters | http://www.astalavista.com//data/phishingonthelowerlevel.pdf <-- cool tuterial ;) |
| 03:18.48 | scarynetworkguy | Glitters: There are a few books. Some of the better general Linux books have good Debian specific stuff. IMO Running Linux falls into that category. |
| 03:18.49 | doublehp | I want to close a bug number #111 ... where shall I mail to ? |
| 03:18.50 | Bac9 | pellywinkle87: read the errors, they usually give you a clue |
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| 03:19.19 | chealer | doublehp: did you open it? |
| 03:19.22 | Phated | Only maintainers can close bugs, can't they? |
| 03:19.28 | pellywinkle87 | Fatal server error: |
| 03:19.28 | pellywinkle87 | 382 no screens found |
| 03:19.37 | doublehp | chealer: yes |
| 03:19.48 | chealer | doublehp: #-close@b.d.o |
| 03:19.55 | pellywinkle87 | (without the 382) |
| 03:20.10 | pellywinkle87 | that's pretty vague |
| 03:20.10 | jms | what's a simple way to keep the date and time on my system correct? It's just a single pc with cable modem, left on most of the time |
| 03:20.16 | chealer | !no screens found |
| 03:20.16 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
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| 03:20.22 | xsdg | jms: ntp-simple |
| 03:20.30 | Bac9 | pellywinkle87: above that, look for (EE) or somesuch |
| 03:20.50 | scarynetworkguy | No they let random monkies on the internet close bugs. </sarcasm> |
| 03:20.52 | Bac9 | jms: apt-get instal ntpdate |
| 03:21.09 | scorphus | shingouz: after rebooting the module is up as if nothing was changed |
| 03:21.55 | pellywinkle87 | (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 03:22.04 | pellywinkle87 | and (EE) No devices detected. |
| 03:22.12 | jms | are there others in addition to npt-simple and ntpdate I should look into? Of these two, why one over the other? |
| 03:22.24 | ug_ | is there a way to run a program with root privledges without getting the "Cannot connect to X server" error |
| 03:22.26 | shingouz | scorphus: i'm not sure what makes that happen but i think you have something that needs the module there. some option or alias or somethign in that style |
| 03:22.31 | xsdg | jms: you should install them both |
| 03:22.31 | Bac9 | pellywinkle87: check the modules you're loading, and make sure they're correct |
| 03:22.31 | chealer | pellywinkle87: what's your driver? |
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| 03:22.44 | Bac9 | ug_: apt-get install sux |
| 03:22.58 | jms | xsdg: why is that? |
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| 03:23.14 | xsdg | jms: ntpdate is a one-time synchronizing thingie; ntp-simple sits there, but doesn't do anything unless the clock is within a certain threshhold of the actual time |
| 03:23.30 | Phated | How about just ntpd? It updates every so often, no? |
| 03:23.39 | Bac9 | xsdg: so put it in a cron job |
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| 03:23.58 | Bac9 | phaethon_: isn't ntpd a time server? |
| 03:24.16 | pellywinkle87 | dunno, im a newbie (XFree86 4.3.0?) |
| 03:24.16 | xsdg | Bac9: that ends up doing a lot of spawning; depends on how anal you are, really |
| 03:24.19 | scorphus | shingouz: think I must remove the modules there are meking this module being loaded, which is the card driver |
| 03:24.26 | xsdg | Bac9: both client and server, yes |
| 03:24.47 | jms | I'd like something that updates every so often. I know of cron, but haven't used it. (I'm pretty green) |
| 03:24.55 | keith_ | Debian3r4. I am trying to set up Xine. When I attempt to play a video, this error message comes up." -xine engine error- There is no available input plugin available to handle 'xine-ui' version 0.9.8." How can I fix that? |
| 03:24.59 | Bac9 | xsdg: a saily cronjob is enough for ntp, it's not like your clock looses more than a fraction of a second a day, if it does then throw out that motherboard |
| 03:25.12 | xsdg | Bac9: ::shrug:: |
| 03:25.16 | shingouz | scorphus: i think so too :( |
| 03:25.29 | Bac9 | jms: man crontab |
| 03:25.43 | Bac9 | jms: any relation to the creator of b5? |
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| 03:25.59 | scorphus | shingouz: rebooting again, let us see what happens now :) |
| 03:26.11 | Bac9 | xsdg: s/saily/daily |
| 03:26.12 | jms | Bac9: no relation that i know of |
| 03:26.25 | Bac9 | jms: aside fromt he nick :-) |
| 03:26.34 | xsdg | what should I consider to be a good threshhold for going to -T largefile and/or -T largefile4? (ext3) |
| 03:26.39 | Bac9 | jms: that guy got some talent |
| 03:26.51 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: why did debhelper set a ban for *!*@node.tor? were they messageflooding it or something? |
| 03:27.07 | jms | yes, i'm just lucky to have the same initials |
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| 03:27.28 | llama32 | hi ppl |
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| 03:28.06 | jms | xsdg: what did you mean when you said ntp-simple "just sits there"? |
| 03:28.35 | xsdg | jms: it's a daemon |
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| 03:29.02 | chealer | keith_: you're sure you want to run woody and not sarge? |
| 03:29.02 | jms | xsdg: "it's a daemon' means even less to me |
| 03:29.04 | scorphus | shingouz: hmm... no success |
| 03:29.30 | llama32 | im looking for a good lightweight window manager, any suggestions? im on fluxbox now... something like it but with a better dock-thingo would be ideal |
| 03:29.42 | Bac9 | jms: "daemon" is an app that runs in the background without interferance from user and does whatever it was designed to do |
| 03:29.59 | Phated | llama32: Openbox. Don't know what you want more out of the dock, though. |
| 03:30.10 | Bac9 | llama32: any *box will do, or windowmaker or pwm* |
| 03:30.15 | jms | I'm woondering why it is good to install both ntpdate and ntp-simple rather than choosing between one or ther other |
| 03:30.31 | shingouz | llama32: xfce is pretty nice too |
| 03:30.32 | Phated | Openbox is arguably the best of *box. |
| 03:30.37 | Bac9 | jms: choose is better, you don't need both |
| 03:30.41 | shingouz | scorphus: hmmm... |
| 03:30.48 | Bac9 | Phated: pwm1 for me |
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| 03:31.11 | scorphus | shingouz: where might the line be on /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 03:31.23 | scarynetworkguy | Openbox just plain rules. |
| 03:31.42 | keith_ | chealer: So does that mean woody cannot run videos. |
| 03:31.46 | Bac9 | scarynetworkguy: openbox is a tad too slow for my taste, or at least it was back when I tried it |
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| 03:31.55 | scarynetworkguy | Bac9: Bah. |
| 03:32.06 | llama32 | i was thinking a [not to sound too much like a micro$#!+ lover] menu and icons to start apps would be nice on the dock-thingo (no idea what the proper name is) |
| 03:32.06 | Phated | Bac9: Again, I said "of *box". I did not comment on other window managers. |
| 03:32.11 | llama32 | ill check out openbox |
| 03:32.18 | Bac9 | scarynetworkguy: ?? |
| 03:32.21 | shingouz | scorphus: /etc/modprobe.d is a directory, check aliases and actions there, maybe they contain some odd line that makes the module load |
| 03:32.22 | jms | Bac9; I was just reading about 'daemon' after googling, thanks. I guess I need to read about ntp-simple, because I don't understand what it's being a daemon really means as far as it just sitting there. I'm specualting that if it runs all the time as a daemon it sometimes updates the date and time based on certain conditions? |
| 03:33.00 | Bac9 | llama32: if you want ms like then kde, gnome, icewm are probably a good place to start |
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| 03:33.18 | Bac9 | Phated: sorry, you're probably right |
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| 03:33.25 | chealer | keith_: I installed sarge 6-7 months ago. never tried any other release. it doesn't mean woody can't run video. if it has xine, it certainly can play video. I'm just telling you that woody is very old for desktop use. except if you really care about security, testing is just better |
| 03:33.25 | shingouz | llama32: kde and gnome are not exactly lightwaight though |
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| 03:33.39 | NosaJ | I need help finding what encoding 1d3 tags use |
| 03:33.51 | shingouz | damn, i typo to much, maybe some sleep would be in order |
| 03:34.05 | Bac9 | jms: your assumption is correct |
| 03:34.32 | Bac9 | shingouz: then use icewm |
| 03:34.49 | shingouz | Bac9: xfce here already |
| 03:35.19 | llama32 | i like kde, but on a 200mhz/64mb box it aint 100% useful |
| 03:35.24 | Bac9 | shingouz: don't think I tried it, unless it's that mac lookaloke with the short dock in center bottom |
| 03:35.44 | shingouz | Bac9: i hear it looks kinda like the mac, yes |
| 03:35.54 | jms | Does ntpdate just have a command I can execute to update the date and time? If I don't want to bother setting it up in cron, I could just do it manually when I choose? Does root have to do it? |
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| 03:36.17 | Bac9 | llama32: they you definitly want something lightweight, anything over icewm is not worth it (that excludes the gnome/kde/E group) |
| 03:36.23 | Kvant | jms, yes, yes, yes |
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| 03:36.32 | Bac9 | jms: yes |
| 03:36.34 | Phated | E actually works fine on 64 megs. |
| 03:36.36 | scorphus | shingouz: hmmm... /etc/modprobe.d/sound contain two lines, I'm going to move this file and reboot to see what happens |
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| 03:36.45 | Bac9 | phaethon_: E ona 200? |
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| 03:36.51 | eusto | is there a tool for making deb packages from .rpm-s? |
| 03:36.58 | shingouz | scorphus: after you done the edit, you need to update-modules |
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| 03:37.01 | Kvant | eusto, alien |
| 03:37.05 | Phated | I was using it on a 500 with 64. Not sure that CPU speed matters that much. |
| 03:37.07 | loke___ | hello |
| 03:37.10 | loke___ | i need help starting x |
| 03:37.15 | llama32 | i might just stick with afterstep... i used to use it, but it did take me the best part of a day to set it up to my liking |
| 03:37.19 | shingouz | loke___: startx |
| 03:37.20 | loke___ | i get this error XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
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| 03:37.32 | Bac9 | phaethon_: big jump between 200 and 500, a whole different core |
| 03:37.39 | loke___ | shingouz yeah when i startx i get that error |
| 03:37.54 | eusto | Kvant, thanks |
| 03:38.11 | Bac9 | llama32: pleanty of windowmanagers to pick from, try them and see which you like |
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| 03:38.36 | Bac9 | loke___: look for an (EE) line in your logs |
| 03:39.01 | scorphus | shingouz: update-module: ok. Do I really need to reboot the box? |
| 03:39.04 | keith_ | chealer: You probably are right about woody. I am waiting for sarge 'stable' to be released. I'm not techno enough to be playing with testing releases. Anyway sarge is frozen now so it should not be too long before the release. |
| 03:39.17 | loke___ | Bac9 ok |
| 03:39.18 | scorphus | shingouz: I removed the module and then run /etc/init.d/module-init-tools restart |
| 03:39.35 | Bac9 | loke___: or any other sign of why you were diconnected from X |
| 03:39.44 | loke___ | Bac9 ill check |
| 03:39.50 | shingouz | scorphus: i'm not sure if that is anough but try it :) |
| 03:40.31 | Bac9 | keith_: stable is for servers, testing is for users and unstable is for developers/mashochists |
| 03:40.44 | Bac9 | keith_: sp? |
| 03:40.56 | loke___ | Bac9 nothing |
| 03:41.11 | loke___ | Bac9 on (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) |
| 03:41.19 | loke___ | Bac9 thats it |
| 03:41.24 | Bac9 | loke___: check syslog, auth and X logs |
| 03:41.40 | Bac9 | loke___: why are you opening apm? |
| 03:41.46 | loke___ | dnno |
| 03:41.49 | keith_ | Bac9:sp?? |
| 03:41.55 | Bac9 | loke___: but that's just a warning so it shouldn't matter |
| 03:41.57 | loke___ | Bac9 how do i stop it? |
| 03:42.13 | Bac9 | keith_: wasn't sure about spelling and too lazy to look it up |
| 03:42.15 | Phated | loke___: Please look in your X logs and grep for (EE). |
| 03:42.19 | drp | not related to debian but ... what's the char. for EOF in a file |
| 03:42.23 | loke___ | Phated i did |
| 03:42.29 | loke___ | phated there is no (EE) |
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| 03:42.40 | Phated | And... yet your x server isn't starting? |
| 03:42.48 | Bac9 | loke___: then look at bottom of log and see if there's anything meaningfull there |
| 03:43.36 | Phated | I have. |
| 03:43.45 | loke___ | http://coretecsystems.com:81/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:43.50 | loke___ | you guys see any EE? |
| 03:43.53 | Phated | Ah, it's xorg. |
| 03:44.02 | loke___ | lol |
| 03:44.04 | loke___ | fuck man |
| 03:44.13 | scarynetworkguy | loke___: What distro are you running? |
| 03:44.15 | loke___ | im so frustrated with this |
| 03:44.18 | loke___ | gentoo |
| 03:44.28 | Phated | No thanks. If you haven't the competence to debug your own shit, don't run unofficial debs. |
| 03:44.31 | scarynetworkguy | !fuck loke___ |
| 03:44.42 | loke___ | lol |
| 03:44.52 | loke___ | scarynetworkguy wow |
| 03:44.54 | guk | hey ... anyone here use xmame with gxmame ? |
| 03:44.58 | toresbe | loke___: Then why the hell are you in #debian? |
| 03:45.03 | scarynetworkguy | loke___: And why are you asking about Gentoo in #debian? |
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| 03:45.12 | loke___ | cause i like debian better than gentoo |
| 03:45.22 | Phated | Then why the FUCK are you running Gentoo? |
| 03:45.24 | loke___ | im a debian user at heart |
| 03:45.26 | toresbe | loke___: why don't you install Debian, then? |
| 03:45.35 | scarynetworkguy | loke___: Then install Debian. |
| 03:45.37 | loke___ | i want to try gentoo |
| 03:45.50 | Bac9 | loke___: you might want to ask in #gentoo there might be people who can help you better there |
| 03:45.58 | Phated | Then you will ask for assistance in #gentoo when your stuff fails on Gentoo. |
| 03:46.01 | toresbe | loke___: If you're going to try Gentoo, go ahead, I did, it sucked, but don't fucking bother us with it here |
| 03:46.10 | loke___ | dang |
| 03:46.11 | shingouz | loke___: what they are saying is that gentoo and debian are configured in a completely different way and #gentoo is the place to go |
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| 03:46.25 | loke___ | ok |
| 03:46.29 | loke___ | sorry |
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| 03:46.34 | Phated | Rewritten into his language: "Fuck, man, fuck off." |
| 03:46.39 | toresbe | yeah |
| 03:46.40 | loke___ | lol |
| 03:46.41 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 03:46.43 | shingouz | :) |
| 03:46.43 | nokia6000 | if user007 is on group007, how can user007 have access on the resources on group008? |
| 03:46.44 | loke___ | fuck. |
| 03:46.54 | Phated | I rest my case. |
| 03:46.55 | Remmy | hey this is my fist install... ive installed debian and restarted.. i used "apt-get install gnome" as the super user now what else do i need to install? |
| 03:46.58 | scarynetworkguy | !Phated++ |
| 03:47.06 | toresbe | shingouz: damn you and your diplomatic ways |
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| 03:47.15 | woodyst | please, my sarge has reduced significantly speed in some recent update. anyone with the same problem? anybody knows what could be the problem? |
| 03:47.24 | woodyst | disk speed, sorry |
| 03:47.32 | shingouz | and i thought i was getting a bit too tired and nasty already |
| 03:47.55 | Bac9 | Remmy: what ever you want :-) |
| 03:48.15 | woodyst | nokia6000: adduser user007 group008 |
| 03:48.19 | Remmy | bac9: it wont startx tho |
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| 03:48.27 | jms | thanks for the help with my date question. googling and reading docs is good, but the immediate feedback here is great! |
| 03:48.31 | woodyst | nokia6000: and user007 will be in both groups |
| 03:48.32 | Bac9 | Remmy: did you install gdm? |
| 03:48.34 | bucky | Remmy, you prolly need x-windows-system |
| 03:48.42 | Phated | Remmy: apt-get install x-window-system-core. |
| 03:48.52 | nokia6000 | woodyst, ah.. i c |
| 03:48.54 | Phated | There is no "X Windows". |
| 03:48.56 | Phated | Ever. |
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| 03:49.09 | Piru | X Windows XP |
| 03:49.16 | Phated | One hopes not. |
| 03:49.26 | bucky | Remmy, i mean x-window-system |
| 03:49.29 | Bac9 | Piru: X Windows org |
| 03:49.31 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: Most packages are named after applications that exist. |
| 03:49.33 | toresbe | Lindows XP |
| 03:49.35 | toresbe | heh |
| 03:49.42 | shingouz | eugh.... xp |
| 03:49.45 | Phated | <gagchokevomit> |
| 03:49.48 | Remmy | ok i'll give that a shot |
| 03:50.06 | bucky | scarynetworkguy, i'm not happy with the naming convention.. but that's just my opinion |
| 03:50.28 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: Why are you not happy with it? |
| 03:50.28 | spidna | hi guys new to debian how do i remove a package from debian, i got kernel-image-2.4-6 i need to remove |
| 03:50.46 | shingouz | spidna: apt-get remove <foo> |
| 03:51.04 | spidna | thanks shingouz for the quick respond |
| 03:51.12 | shingouz | spidna: man apt-get is a good read too... |
| 03:51.16 | senin | anyone seen this before "make: *** No rule to make target `conf.vars', needed by `stamp-configure'. Stop."? |
| 03:51.21 | Bac9 | toresbe: athelon XP |
| 03:51.26 | bucky | scarynetworkguy, many of the names do not accurately reflect what the package really is and it's hard to guess in most cases what you're looking for |
| 03:51.27 | Piru | senin, probably |
| 03:51.38 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: Whatever. |
| 03:51.48 | bucky | scarynetworkguy, you asked for my opinion |
| 03:51.48 | woodyst | senin: something did make conf.vars |
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| 03:52.17 | Phated | bucky: One does, of course, learn how to use apt-cache search at some point in their Debian career. |
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| 03:52.22 | Phated | Hopefully. |
| 03:52.28 | woodyst | scarynetworkguy: but apt-cache is useful with package descriptions |
| 03:52.32 | Piru | or rather something was done that requires stamp-configure which depends on conf.vars, but the makefile doesn't know how to make it |
| 03:52.42 | scarynetworkguy | woodyst: Of course it is. |
| 03:53.05 | bucky | Phated, ok.. apt-cache search X and tell me how many results you get |
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| 03:53.31 | Phated | <shrugs> apt-cache search | less. I fail to see how one wouldn't get x-window-system asa fairly obvious choice. |
| 03:53.32 | woodyst | bucky: apt-cache can work with regular expressions |
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| 03:53.33 | senin | so what is going on here? |
| 03:53.36 | Phated | !info x-window-system |
| 03:53.43 | dpkg | x-window-system: (X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 147 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 03:53.48 | scorphus | shingouz: done! the module isn't being loaded anymore |
| 03:54.02 | bucky | woodyst, show me one to find X.. in one try |
| 03:54.05 | Phated | Oh, look! The X Window System gets installed with... gee, x-window-system! |
| 03:54.10 | shingouz | scorphus: the edit did the trick? where did you find it? |
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| 03:54.37 | scorphus | shingouz: in the file /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 03:54.38 | scarynetworkguy | Crazy naming convention. |
| 03:54.38 | spidna | thanks everyone for the help |
| 03:54.39 | woodyst | apt-cache search ".*xfree.*server.*" |
| 03:54.45 | bucky | Phated, why do they use the word Window... sounds like microsoft |
| 03:54.46 | woodyst | for example |
| 03:54.48 | shingouz | scorphus: :D |
| 03:54.52 | scorphus | shingouz: thank you for your time, I appreciate it! |
| 03:55.00 | shingouz | np |
| 03:55.07 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: Because that is the name of what you are installing. |
| 03:55.12 | bucky | is the word window used anywhere on Xfree's site |
| 03:55.17 | Bac9 | bucky: actually microsoft was not the first to use a windowd ui |
| 03:55.19 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: It is *not* called X. |
| 03:55.28 | woodyst | bucky: windows were here before microsoft |
| 03:55.30 | FieldySnuts | goatfuckers. |
| 03:55.32 | Phated | bucky: You know, "x-windows" seems even -more- like MS than "x-window-system". |
| 03:55.42 | Phated | Which -you- asked him to install. |
| 03:55.43 | Bac9 | bucky: apple beat them to it, which they in tern bought from xerox (the photocopying people) |
| 03:55.45 | keith_ | bucky:I think window came before Windows |
| 03:55.52 | FieldySnuts | who cares... |
| 03:55.55 | bucky | scarynetworkguy, oh no.. better yet... xserver-xfree86 that's real intuitive |
| 03:55.55 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: In the first paragraph on the front page. Yes. |
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| 03:56.38 | bucky | Xerox prolly should own the word window |
| 03:56.44 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: Yes it is. What you have found out is that the package system expects you to know the names of the application you are installing. |
| 03:56.45 | woodyst | anybody with disk performance problems in sarge or sid recently? |
| 03:56.46 | Phated | bucky: Which is why, of course, the x-window-system metapackage exists. |
| 03:57.03 | woodyst | i have speaked with 4 people that have this problem |
| 03:57.03 | jms | I was unable to instal ntpdate. Several error messages. I think I may have bad entries in sources.list. Would it be inappropiate for me to ask about these error messages in detail here? |
| 03:57.10 | llama32 | will an app compiled for X11r4 run on a modern system? |
| 03:57.11 | bucky | Phated, i think the name is not very well chosen |
| 03:57.25 | woodyst | jms: put it in #flood |
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| 03:57.41 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: It is the exact proper name of what you are installing. How can you say it is not right? |
| 03:57.53 | vipe | what's lockfs (unix) on linux ? |
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| 03:58.03 | Phated | bucky: Let me guess. You would have it be called "gui". Your command would be "how can I get a gui". Of course. |
| 03:58.10 | bucky | who says it's proper.. some non-english speaking developer |
| 03:58.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Don't, man. |
| 03:58.22 | jms | woodyst: the whole thing? I was thinking of asking about the first error here, and then going on from there |
| 03:58.23 | Phated | OF SPEAKS ENGLISH, you fucktard. |
| 03:58.31 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: You know I never would. |
| 03:58.37 | Phated | I believe he actually speaks it fairly well. |
| 03:58.56 | sean_micken | hmm... gaim's spell checker isn't working... ideas why? |
| 03:59.29 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: Go read the front page of http://www.xfree86.org what does it say? |
| 03:59.30 | Piru | hell, tons of people here aren't native speakers |
| 03:59.39 | jms | meanwhile, I'm so clueless I don't really know how to post something in #flood.... do I /join it? I've tried that before and I don't do well trying to mange the two channels.... |
| 03:59.49 | bucky | you could always let tasksel install it along with gnome and kde and god only knows what else |
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| 03:59.55 | jms | mange = manage |
| 03:59.57 | Phated | jms: /msg dpkg paster, there's also a website you can use. |
| 04:00.10 | Bac9 | jms: what's the first error? |
| 04:00.21 | jazzmans | jms, /join #flood |
| 04:00.22 | Phated | And besides, before I accused someone of not speaking English properly (or at all), I'd look to my own credibility in English. |
| 04:00.26 | woodyst | jms: yes |
| 04:00.29 | Bac9 | jms: as long as it's under 4 lines it's probably safe to post it here |
| 04:00.38 | Bac9 | jms: hope they are short lines :-) |
| 04:00.38 | Danar | anyone know why my nothing but k3b seems able to see my cd/dvd drive? |
| 04:00.41 | shingouz | jms: three |
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| 04:00.44 | jms | first error is: Err http://http.us.debian.org testing/main ntpdate 1:4.2.0a-11 404 Not Found [IP: 208.185.25.35 80] |
| 04:00.47 | woodyst | jms: yes, put it there if it is long |
| 04:00.57 | woodyst | jms: you have to do apt-get update |
| 04:00.58 | toresbe | jms: apt-get update? |
| 04:01.07 | Danar | everything says the /dev/whatever doesn't exist |
| 04:01.17 | jazzmans | jms, 4 lines equals a boot by the bot, so it's best in #flood if it's longer then 3 lines. |
| 04:01.23 | Danar | but k3b sees it fine |
| 04:01.31 | woodyst | Danar: you may have devfs or udev and do not have correct devices |
| 04:01.44 | bucky | tasksel there's another butchered acronym for some ungodly naming convention |
| 04:01.52 | Thanatermesis | hdparm -t /dev/hda: /dev/hda: Timing buffered disk reads: 9.16 MB/sec :S |
| 04:01.55 | Danar | woodyst: i believe i do, how to i correct it? |
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| 04:02.09 | Bac9 | jazzmans: boot by the bot <--- oww |
| 04:02.17 | Bac9 | jazzmans: :-) |
| 04:02.23 | woodyst | Danar: do you have devfs or udev? |
| 04:02.32 | jazzmans | Bac9, yeah, being b00ted sucks. |
| 04:02.33 | jms | ok, doing apt-get update now. Even after doing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, I usually get several errs. It would be nice to figure out what is causing them and get rid of them |
| 04:02.48 | woodyst | jms: what errors? |
| 04:03.14 | bucky | X Window System is not found on http://www.x.org/ |
| 04:03.18 | bucky | nor window |
| 04:03.20 | woodyst | Danar: i do not know udev's usage, but you may see docs in /usr/share/doc/udev |
| 04:03.25 | bucky | out with the old |
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| 04:03.44 | shingouz | bucky: x.org != xfree86 |
| 04:03.46 | Phated | So what? Call it, oh, xfree86? |
| 04:04.05 | rixth | I use GDM as my login manager, how do I start up Sarge without staring the x windows server so i can install my video driver? |
| 04:04.05 | bucky | shingouz, debian is moving away from xfree86 |
| 04:04.12 | woodyst | bucky: xorg=http://www.x.org, xfree86=http://www.xfree.org |
| 04:04.13 | bucky | bad license |
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| 04:04.16 | bucky | bad name |
| 04:04.21 | shingouz | bucky: gee... i never knew |
| 04:04.33 | Bac9 | jms: well what errors are you getting? |
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| 04:04.44 | jazzmans | bucky: you claim debian will go with xorg as default? that'd be nice. |
| 04:04.46 | rixth | bucky: moving away from xfree? Moving to what? |
| 04:04.47 | jms | ok, apt-get update allowed good install of ntpdate |
| 04:04.48 | bucky | good ridance |
| 04:04.51 | woodyst | rixth: try init 1 from your root login |
| 04:04.53 | Phated | Actually, considering xorg won't enter Debian until the release of sarge, which doesn't seem to be in the near future... |
| 04:05.01 | Phated | And perhaps not even then. |
| 04:05.10 | jms | here's the first of the erros I still get: |
| 04:05.14 | jms | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.freenet.de woody/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.freenet.de_pub_ftp.vpn-junkies.de_openoffice_dists_woody_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 04:05.18 | sean_micken | gaim's spell checking isn't working, could i have forgot to install a a package or something? |
| 04:05.19 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: There is also no code from http://wwww.x.org in Debian. So the point is? |
| 04:05.31 | woodyst | jms: your freenet sources are incorrect |
| 04:05.34 | bucky | xfree86 is a dinasaur that came out of MIT |
| 04:05.36 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: Go look at the page for the app that you are installing. |
| 04:05.38 | jazzmans | jms, that's a problem with your sources. |
| 04:05.41 | woodyst | jms: comment it in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:05.46 | jms | B the way, I am a terrible typist and it takes me a long time to switch windows, etc |
| 04:05.50 | bucky | scarynetworkguy, then why is debian adopting it |
| 04:05.55 | Bac9 | jms: that says that it couldn't talk to that server |
| 04:06.15 | Piru | to annoy bucky \o/ |
| 04:06.16 | TCW | woodyst, if gdm is loaded, just hit strg-alt-f2 for instance, log in as root, type "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" and do whatever you need to do to install your video drivers. After you're done, type "/etc/init.d/gdm start" |
| 04:06.18 | Phated | jms: Clear your sources.list, use apt-setup to get new sources that are set up properly. Or paste the offending line from sources.list here. |
| 04:06.19 | bucky | scarynetworkguy, and did i say i'm installing anything? |
| 04:06.29 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: When it gets adopted then the name might change. It is not that package now so why should they change the name? |
| 04:06.30 | Bac9 | jms: but as you were using http.us.debian.org I doubt this'll be a problem, never the less you can remove it from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:06.30 | jazzmans | jms; so put a # in front of that source in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:06.52 | bucky | scarynetworkguy, it's long, obnoxious and hard to find |
| 04:07.01 | woodyst | TCW: yes, but it was another guy's problem |
| 04:07.05 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: So what would you name it? |
| 04:07.21 | shingouz | bucky: but you still found it? so the name functions |
| 04:07.42 | woodyst | TCW: this question was from rixth, that is not here now |
| 04:07.56 | bucky | anything but x-window-system/x-window-system-core |
| 04:08.03 | Phated | Anything but? |
| 04:08.05 | TCW | woodyst, ooops... sorry for that ;) |
| 04:08.07 | Phated | -Anything-? |
| 04:08.18 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 04:08.20 | bucky | Phated, that makes almost as much sense |
| 04:08.23 | Phated | That sounds... surprisingly, even more stupid than x-window-system might be. |
| 04:08.25 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Bob. |
| 04:08.33 | Penix | !troll bucky |
| 04:08.33 | Phated | bucky: No, but that was what -you- said you'd name it. |
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| 04:08.50 | scarynetworkguy | bucky: No becasue X Window System is the FUCKING PROPER NAME OF THE FUCKING APP!!!! |
| 04:08.59 | bucky | scarynetworkguy, started this... he thinks he needs to correct my spelling |
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| 04:09.20 | jazzmans | bucky; scarynetworkguy is correct, imo, just remove caps. x-windows is the original name. |
| 04:09.23 | bucky | scarynetworkguy, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE TO LIKE IT |
| 04:09.32 | scarynetworkguy | jazzmans: No it is not. |
| 04:09.34 | resiak | bucky: Well, if you're telling people what to install, you should spell it right... |
| 04:09.39 | jazzmans | oh bugger all. |
| 04:09.39 | Piru | bucky, you can go dislike it elsewhere |
| 04:09.49 | Phated | jazzmans: x-window, damnit. |
| 04:09.55 | Phated | Sheesh. |
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| 04:10.07 | jms | ok, I am going to comment out any line in sources.list that gives a similar warning. There are a few.... |
| 04:10.13 | chealer | x windows is deprecated |
| 04:10.21 | bucky | i don't care what some ego maniac wants to call his pet little package maintainer project |
| 04:10.21 | jazzmans | a typo? ! ? you say i'm wrong 'cause of a typo? |
| 04:10.28 | resiak | chealer: Uh, what? |
| 04:10.30 | jazzmans | ok, fine x window. |
| 04:10.31 | Penix | haha |
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| 04:10.39 | bucky | chealer, right.. and we need to change it more often for fun |
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| 04:11.33 | chealer | resiak: the name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_window_system#Nomenclature |
| 04:11.36 | bucky | btw.. it is fund raiser weed at Peer-Directed Projects Center |
| 04:11.38 | jazzmans | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Windows |
| 04:11.38 | rixth | I still can't install the Nvidia driver |
| 04:11.44 | woodyst | jms: ok |
| 04:11.49 | rixth | come to fllod anyone who can help and I'll cut'n paste |
| 04:11.51 | jazzmans | note, wiki uses x windows in the name, but x window in the definition. |
| 04:11.53 | chealer | bucky: right, the new name is x window system, just as debian shows |
| 04:12.09 | bucky | for a few months anyway |
| 04:12.10 | TCW | rixth, if gdm is loaded, just hit strg-alt-f2 for instance, log in as root, type "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" and do whatever you need to do to install your video drivers. After you're done, type "/etc/init.d/gdm start" |
| 04:12.25 | chealer | bucky: have you heard of AnyDistro? |
| 04:12.27 | TCW | rixth, I just wanted to make sure YOU got this... ;) |
| 04:12.35 | chealer | rixth: I'm there |
| 04:12.37 | jazzmans | TCW, he gets permission denied. |
| 04:12.38 | bucky | chealer, is it another debian rip off |
| 04:12.40 | jms | But now I have found one that doesn't match up with anything in sources.list here it is: |
| 04:12.42 | jms | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://pessoal.onda.com.br ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/pessoal.onda.com.br_rjamorim_debian_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 04:13.09 | chealer | bucky: yes, and many packages are called "anything" in it. |
| 04:13.14 | jms | "pessoal' for example simply is not present in /etc/sources.list |
| 04:13.18 | jazzmans | rixth, did you chmod +x and/or are you root? |
| 04:13.22 | TCW | jazzmans, that may be... I just wanted to say THAT to the correct person at least once ;) |
| 04:13.32 | jazzmans | TCW, :) |
| 04:13.33 | chealer | bucky: you can find information about it at AnyPlace |
| 04:13.37 | rixth | No, I didn't chmod but i was root |
| 04:13.50 | woodyst | jms: please, can you put your /etc/sources.list in #flood? |
| 04:14.08 | Penix | jms: are you actually using /etc/sources.list? if so, there's your problem |
| 04:14.16 | chealer | !tell rixth about nvidia-installer |
| 04:14.16 | jms | woodyst: ok |
| 04:14.19 | chealer | !tell rixth about nvidia-howto |
| 04:14.23 | bucky | btw chealer where's you friend rdancer |
| 04:14.32 | Phated | It's /etc/apt/sources.list, people... :| |
| 04:15.01 | Penix | bah. just realized it's sunday. |
| 04:15.03 | chealer | bucky: no idea, I know him, but I didn't know we were friends |
| 04:15.05 | TCW | chealer, could dpkg explain it to me also? :) |
| 04:15.06 | Penix | no wonder |
| 04:15.17 | rixth | Thats chealer |
| 04:15.21 | chealer | TCW: /msg dpkg whatyouwantinfoabout |
| 04:15.21 | rixth | Thanks* |
| 04:15.26 | jazzmans | rixth, this is totally basic, I know, but... if you download a program, you have to manually enable x, or execute permission before running said program. So, chmod +x /path-to-download/name-of/download |
| 04:15.26 | jms | Penix: no, sorry, it is actually /ect/apt/sources.list |
| 04:15.39 | TCW | chealer, that wouldn't be the same... but... nevermidn ;) |
| 04:16.11 | woodyst | jms: i cannot see your sources.list |
| 04:16.44 | chealer | TCW: sorry, if there was sarcasm I still don't get it |
| 04:16.45 | TCW | rixth, and of course... you have the complete kernel source from the running kernel properly installed? .oO( it may be that the headers would be enough... but... ) |
| 04:17.18 | rixth | Yes, I have the source install |
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| 04:17.18 | rixth | Be back when it finishes/fails :) |
| 04:17.18 | TCW | chealer, that's why I said "nevermind" :) |
| 04:17.39 | a_monkey | what's the command for firing up eterm again? i installed it, but i get "eterm: command not found" |
| 04:17.52 | chealer | TCW: well, "anyway" |
| 04:18.00 | TCW | a_monkey, dpkg -L <package> |
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| 04:18.49 | mindphasr | a_monkey: Eterm |
| 04:18.52 | RedEyess | Hello |
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| 04:19.03 | RedEyess | I have installed xprint from the packages |
| 04:19.16 | RedEyess | and I don't know how to configure it for my printer |
| 04:19.25 | RedEyess | any webpages I should consult? |
| 04:20.11 | restrex | good nights |
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| 04:21.11 | rixth | Now this: apt-get -t $NVDIST install nvidia-glx |
| 04:21.20 | rixth | E: Invalid operation nvidia-glx |
| 04:21.33 | gartt | How do you get 5.1 speakers working in debian? |
| 04:21.35 | rixth | (thats following the nvidia-howto tutorial) |
| 04:21.47 | woodyst | gartt: what soundcard? |
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| 04:22.08 | chealer | rixth: you didn't set $NVDIST, probably |
| 04:22.09 | netsurfer | trying to mount a dvd in my pioneer a05 drive.. what filesystem do I specify ? |
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| 04:22.11 | gartt | woodyst: nvidia2-works fine in stereo, but the other speakers are dead |
| 04:22.12 | rixth | Wait, I think I missed something :$ |
| 04:22.15 | ciscog0d | hey guys |
| 04:22.21 | ciscog0d | how do you secure debian? |
| 04:22.22 | gartt | Enabled just about everything in alsamixer |
| 04:22.33 | ciscog0d | whats the best way to secure debian an lock it down? |
| 04:22.35 | TCW | rixth, trying to mix up debian packages und "original" nvidia stuff? Not so good idea |
| 04:22.50 | TCW | ciscog0d, unplug the network cord |
| 04:22.52 | woodyst | gartt: try with alsa |
| 04:22.57 | ciscog0d | TCW good one |
| 04:23.05 | rixth | I havn't had any luck at all with the official nvidia one, so thats not even partially insta;; |
| 04:23.05 | TCW | ciscog0d, best one |
| 04:23.06 | netsurfer | actually let me rephrase that.. trying to mount a woody setup dvd in my pioneer a05 drive.. what filesystem do I specify ? |
| 04:23.11 | gartt | woodyst: Tried just about everything in alsamixer |
| 04:23.18 | woodyst | gartt: /etc/asound.rc |
| 04:23.24 | TCW | rixth, what were the error messages? |
| 04:23.27 | ciscog0d | TCW whats the best way to secure it while its plugged in |
| 04:23.28 | rixth | 'Builg of package nvidia-kernle-source failed! How do you wish to proceed' |
| 04:23.30 | woodyst | gartt: you have to define an alsa PCM |
| 04:23.41 | TCW | ciscog0d, unload the network module |
| 04:23.46 | woodyst | rixth: it may be your kernel-sources |
| 04:23.51 | florg | hi, i just set up a new Debian box and i'm missing the scsi devices /sda*. What shell i do to get them? |
| 04:23.58 | TCW | ciscog0d, if you still don't get what I try to say... think again |
| 04:24.01 | chealer | !secure |
| 04:24.01 | dpkg | Linux is secure, at least up to the administrator, heh. |
| 04:24.07 | woodyst | gartt: try googling for asound.rc |
| 04:24.14 | gartt | Thanks woodyst |
| 04:24.49 | TCW | ciscog0d, I take that as a direct offense... thanks, you will be ignored |
| 04:24.57 | woodyst | florg: you may not have scsi module for your card loaded |
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| 04:25.26 | ciscog0d | tcw, I take that as you dont know how to secure shit |
| 04:26.00 | CaT[tm] | hey folks. any reason why X would be ignoring my Vert aND hORIZ REFRESH SETTINGS? |
| 04:26.04 | CaT[tm] | damn capslock |
| 04:26.05 | gartt | ciscog0d: You're the one asking the question, not him |
| 04:26.21 | TCW | ciscog0d, I know very well how to secure shit... I keep it closed... in all circumstances |
| 04:26.27 | woodyst | ciscog0d: you have to configure a firewall and check /etc/hosts.allow |
| 04:26.29 | ciscog0d | gartt and im asking to learn, not for a smart ass remark |
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| 04:26.39 | netsurfer | someone slap me hard.. trying to mount a DVD in a 52x cdrom drive :o\ |
| 04:26.44 | TCW | gartt, but he is also the one who "does not get it" :) |
| 04:27.10 | woodyst | ciscog0d: in debian there are a lot of easy firewalls based on shell scripts |
| 04:27.18 | chealer | netsurfer: you're not alone :) |
| 04:27.23 | netsurfer | thx shingouz that woke me up - quite refreshing ;) |
| 04:27.28 | shingouz | :) |
| 04:27.36 | shingouz | you asked fo rit |
| 04:27.43 | TCW | ciscog0d, so you are here to learn? 1st thing to learn... /ctcp foo is not the way people wanted to be trated in here |
| 04:27.53 | shingouz | grrr.... i need some caffeine, i typo too much |
| 04:28.06 | TCW | treated even |
| 04:29.00 | llama32 | one of my friends once wrote "expokelre" trying to type explorer |
| 04:29.07 | ciscog0d | TCW suck it |
| 04:29.31 | shingouz | nice attitude... |
| 04:29.32 | TCW | He is so friendly too... nice ;) |
| 04:30.04 | ciscog0d | <TCW> ciscog0d, unplug the network cord |
| 04:30.21 | gartt | ciscog0d: Ask dumb questions, get sarcastic answers sometimes |
| 04:30.23 | ciscog0d | nice admin |
| 04:30.23 | shingouz | ciscog0d: that is the best way to keep the system secure from the outside |
| 04:30.48 | ciscog0d | shingouz no shit |
| 04:30.58 | ciscog0d | shingouz what if you want a networked server |
| 04:31.20 | TCW | ciscog0d, man humor, man sarcasm, man linux, man google, and at the end (maybe this should be the first one) man life |
| 04:31.22 | shingouz | ciscog0d: shut down everything you don tneed |
| 04:31.25 | jazzmans | ciscog0d; flames don't help. You may want to check out http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ |
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| 04:32.29 | ciscog0d | tcw man ciscog0d's dick |
| 04:32.29 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.29 | xsdg | ciscog0d: ... |
| 04:32.31 | gartt | ciscog0d: You're begging to be removed.. |
| 04:32.36 | TCW | ciscog0d, currently I am not in the mood reading manpages... especially not for those extremely small and uninteresting manpages |
| 04:32.44 | xsdg | TCW, ciscog0d: if either of you wish to continue, please do so in private. |
| 04:32.54 | peterS | rue_mohr: convert your code from varargs to stdarg |
| 04:33.01 | shingouz | No manual entry for ciscog0ds |
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| 04:33.05 | TCW | xsdg, oh my goodness! Never! :) |
| 04:33.08 | CaT[tm] | anyone able to help? no matter what I set for those values it seems to be ignored. :/ |
| 04:33.19 | Remmy | this is a fresh install of debian.. i just installed gnome, x-windows and fluxbox.. fluxbox wont start, am i missing somthing? this is the erro specify a program on the command line or make sure that /usr/x11r6/bin is your path |
| 04:33.54 | ciscog0d | Remmy echo 'exec fluxbox' > ~/.xinitrc && startx |
| 04:34.10 | rue_mohr | peterS :/ its not my code... |
| 04:34.22 | peterS | rue_mohr: gcc has deprecated varargs for a long time and I *think* in some recent version of it, varargs went away entirely. you've had 15 years to convert (: |
| 04:34.30 | rue_mohr | petemS no backwards compataility swithc>? |
| 04:34.31 | xsdg | ciscog0d: that won't run GNOME |
| 04:34.40 | rue_mohr | hmm ok |
| 04:34.56 | xsdg | Remmy: err... _what_'s the error? (and where do you see it?) |
| 04:34.57 | rue_mohr | peterS thanks |
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| 04:35.07 | ciscog0d | xsdg the problem is fluxbox |
| 04:35.15 | peterS | rue_mohr: your va_list problem *might* not be because of using varargs instead of stdarg, but that's my first guess anyway |
| 04:35.48 | Remmy | xsdg: when i run startx fluxbox i get "specify a program on the command line or make sure the /usr/x11r6/bin is in your path |
| 04:35.59 | xsdg | Remmy: just "startx" |
| 04:36.00 | rue_mohr | petemS sounds good to me |
| 04:36.04 | TCW | Remmy, man update-alternatives may be what you are searching |
| 04:36.14 | TCW | +for :) |
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| 04:36.53 | Remmy | it also says "init: no such file or directory (errno 2): no prgramed named "usr/x11r6/bin/xterm" in path |
| 04:37.17 | Remmy | xsdg if i do that gnome starts |
| 04:37.22 | Phated | Remmy: Full path. "/usr", not "usr". |
| 04:37.44 | xsdg | Remmy: do you not want to use GNOME? |
| 04:37.54 | Remmy | xsdg: no fluxbox |
| 04:37.57 | TCW | Remmy, "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" and maybe you should install a few more packages... xterm may (or not) be essential :) |
| 04:37.59 | xsdg | ... |
| 04:38.03 | Phated | Remmy: startx /usr/bin/fluxbox. |
| 04:38.19 | xsdg | Remmy: what ciscog0d said should work, then |
| 04:38.50 | TCW | errr... why did he install gnoem if he does not want it? |
| 04:38.55 | xsdg | alternately, what TCW said (if it's a single-user box, there's no real difference between the two) |
| 04:38.56 | TCW | gnome even |
| 04:39.08 | Remmy | phated: that worked... how can i make it start everytime? |
| 04:39.25 | kalila | why are processor speeds moving slowly as of late? |
| 04:39.32 | xsdg | Remmy: two people have explained different methods -- use one of them |
| 04:39.33 | Phated | Remmy: echo fluxbox > .xinitrc. |
| 04:39.44 | Phated | Without the trailing period, mind. |
| 04:39.53 | Phated | Remmy: Or, like... Just type the whole thing. |
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| 04:40.36 | yehsos | hello everybody I was wondering if anyone could help me out with a problem that I'm having witha debian install |
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| 04:40.38 | scarynetworkguy | Hell with tab completion it's like 6 keystrokes. |
| 04:41.08 | peterS | yehsos: pick the other option |
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| 04:41.36 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Fifteen. For openbox. |
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| 04:42.00 | TCW | yehsos, I agree with peterS' method... that is always fine |
| 04:42.25 | peterS | yehsos: the subtext here is "in order to give you a more useful answer, we need a more specific question" |
| 04:42.36 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I can do it in 9. :) |
| 04:42.46 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Bitch. |
| 04:42.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yes I am. |
| 04:43.00 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: How? |
| 04:43.14 | TCW | jms, google |
| 04:43.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Mind, I'm counting each and every time I hit the keyboard. |
| 04:44.01 | cycom | thus the word 'keystroke', right Phated? |
| 04:44.03 | cycom | ;) |
| 04:44.25 | yehsos | I just finished installing debain on the laptop and all I see id a blank screen is there anyone that can help me out with this error |
| 04:44.37 | decklin | yehsos: turn it back on. |
| 04:44.54 | yehsos | now the screens all balck |
| 04:44.59 | cycom | yehsos: did you install X? |
| 04:45.16 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I miscounted. I suck. |
| 04:45.21 | yehsos | I only downloaded the 386! ios was I supposed to download others |
| 04:45.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: How many? |
| 04:45.26 | peterS | Xenguy: it's a nice alternative to 'implication', yeah |
| 04:45.31 | yehsos | just 1 |
| 04:45.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Wait one. |
| 04:45.55 | yehsos | k thanks |
| 04:46.24 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I make it 11. |
| 04:46.28 | chealer | yehsos: you're not natively English-speaking, are you? |
| 04:46.32 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Really. |
| 04:46.37 | Xenguy | peterS: I recall learning the word from my university days (a media/advertising 'deconstruction' type of course?) |
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| 04:46.37 | yehsos | Yes |
| 04:46.53 | yehsos | I'm having a hard time seeing the screen |
| 04:46.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You tabbed on the /usr/bin/o and got openbox? |
| 04:47.03 | scarynetworkguy | /u<tab>/b<tab>/openb<tab> Well 12 if you include the enter at the end. |
| 04:47.05 | chealer | yehsos: sorry :-P |
| 04:47.16 | jason_ | hello.. quick question, I need to get a list of all the packages needed to build the mythtv source package.. I've installed it once, so when I just do an apt-get build-dep mythtv it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, and 0 to remove and 343 not upgraded |
| 04:47.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: That's how I did it. |
| 04:47.30 | Xenguy | yehsos: do you have a command prompt on the screen? (a '$' probably) |
| 04:47.30 | yehsos | Yeah... windows game me a mean virus |
| 04:47.36 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: that's 14 keystrokes including enter |
| 04:47.51 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Interesting. I must have something installed you don't. |
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| 04:48.14 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I need to do /usr/bin/openbox. |
| 04:48.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Must be. That and the fact that I can't count. :) |
| 04:48.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: As in tab on /usr/bin/openb. |
| 04:48.42 | scarynetworkguy | Oddness. |
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| 04:49.10 | jazzmans | totally OT at this point, but the wiki for x window is damn nice. |
| 04:49.15 | oihsadf | is the 5.0 java plugin known to cause problems with firefox? if so, how do i fix it? |
| 04:49.21 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: actually I think you're right, but you reported it wrong |
| 04:49.27 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah I have to go all the way to the b also. |
| 04:49.33 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: you didn't type /u<tab>/ but /u<tab> and it put the / in for you |
| 04:49.34 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Well... ner. |
| 04:49.36 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: Right. I just can't count. |
| 04:49.54 | oihsadf | java plugin just started hanging for everything.. |
| 04:49.54 | chealer | oihsadf: depends your problem. |
| 04:49.57 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: since it put the / in after usr and after bin, that's only 12 keystrokes rather than 14 |
| 04:50.06 | oihsadf | chealer: how do i diagnose? |
| 04:50.20 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: Yeah I think you're right. |
| 04:50.25 | chealer | oihsadf: starting it at console *MAY* help |
| 04:50.33 | oihsadf | i tried stracing firefox-bin and java_vm but they both seem to be in tight io loops |
| 04:50.38 | Phated | peterS: That's odd. I still get 14, even with the slashes tab-completed. |
| 04:50.40 | chealer | oihsadf: otherwise irc://irc.mozilla.org/#firefox can better help you |
| 04:50.42 | scarynetworkguy | God could this convo get *any* geekier? |
| 04:50.49 | oihsadf | thanks |
| 04:50.58 | oihsadf | yeah, i didn't see any informative output messages |
| 04:51.02 | jazzmans | but isn't #debian the acme of 'geek'? |
| 04:51.26 | TCW | good night folks |
| 04:51.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Sure it can... But let's not. |
| 04:51.54 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: I can think of quite a few topics that would be geekier than counting keystrokes |
| 04:52.16 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. I don't think we need to go there. |
| 04:52.25 | thomas_adam | Count the pixel competition? |
| 04:52.38 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 04:52.51 | Phated | Why bother? 1024*768. |
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| 04:53.02 | thomas_adam | No no. |
| 04:53.04 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed. |
| 04:53.05 | thomas_adam | Literally... |
| 04:53.07 | daphatty | . |
| 04:53.16 | Phated | That's not geeky. Just... sad. |
| 04:53.21 | thomas_adam | Ah well. |
| 04:53.29 | Phated | Synonymous in some cases, but not in this one. |
| 04:53.35 | shingouz | (one pixel, two pixel....) |
| 04:54.07 | Phated | "Counting pixels - because you have no life." |
| 04:54.13 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 04:54.46 | Phated | "For a limited time only, present your pixel-count and be rewarded with a life! One per geek, while stocks last." |
| 04:55.01 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 04:55.04 | Phated | Right, fuck, I'm definitely sleep-deprived. |
| 04:55.09 | jazzmans | 1280 * 1024 :P |
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| 04:55.30 | toresbe | 640x400, I think |
| 04:55.33 | Phated | Pity they're not both powers of two... Wouldbe fun. |
| 04:55.41 | Phated | toresbe: 640x480. ;) |
| 04:55.45 | scarynetworkguy | Much more fun. |
| 04:56.00 | toresbe | Phated: no, I think that in textmode, it's actually 400 |
| 04:56.07 | Phated | Really. |
| 04:56.20 | shingouz | to really geek out the count should be done in hex, of course |
| 04:56.27 | Phated | When in textmode, I think 80x24. It's not a resolution, of course, but it's easier to work with. |
| 04:56.31 | Phated | shingouz: Fuck that, binary. :) |
| 04:56.38 | shingouz | :) |
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| 04:56.57 | scarynetworkguy | "Binary, the only way to fly." |
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| 04:57.19 | toresbe | Isn't it 80x25? |
| 04:57.22 | Phated | It just sounds more impressive... "100 inches" ... as opposed to... "4 inches". ;) |
| 04:57.34 | Phated | Hm, is it. No idea. |
| 04:57.45 | scarynetworkguy | Yes it does. |
| 04:57.54 | shingouz | Phated: true but you don't get the cool numerals like A and B |
| 04:57.56 | sussudio | chealer: do not message me |
| 04:58.03 | scarynetworkguy | "There are 10 types of people in the world." |
| 04:58.03 | toresbe | yes, it is, and thus it's 640x400 |
| 04:58.07 | Phated | shingouz: Those aren't numerals. Hah! ;) |
| 04:58.20 | shingouz | in hex... |
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| 04:58.30 | toresbe | shingouz: yes, but they aren't numerals :) |
| 04:58.31 | Phated | They are representations of places. |
| 04:58.43 | shingouz | ok ok :9 |
| 04:58.45 | Phated | Besides, I prefer octal. Keep numbers to numbers, thank you. |
| 04:58.47 | shingouz | :) even |
| 04:58.50 | toresbe | shingouz: what Phated far more eloquently than I could |
| 04:58.54 | ws[7c0] | is there a program i can use to join media files in linux? (mp3's, wmv's, mpegs divx et al)? |
| 04:59.03 | thomas_adam | ws[7c0]: cat |
| 04:59.06 | Phated | toresbe: You missed a verb. |
| 04:59.13 | toresbe | Phated: I not! |
| 04:59.14 | ws[7c0] | i tried using cat, and while it works for some formats, like mp3 / mpeg it doesn't do so well with wmv |
| 04:59.21 | Phated | toresbe: You missed a verb again. |
| 04:59.29 | toresbe | Phated: verbs for pussies :P |
| 04:59.31 | thomas_adam | ws[7c0]: What did you expect? The clue is in the name. |
| 04:59.44 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: So you should have plenty of them. |
| 04:59.46 | Phated | toresbe: Which I clearly am. Duh. |
| 04:59.46 | toresbe | Phated: nouns alone cool :P |
| 04:59.56 | ws[7c0] | thomas_adam: hmn, i c... |
| 04:59.59 | Phated | toresbe: Then you're banned from using adjectives as well. |
| 05:00.03 | thomas_adam | Phated: Octal is a numbering system in its own right. Of course numbers are contained therein to themselves. |
| 05:00.06 | toresbe | Phated: anger. |
| 05:00.08 | Phated | Oh, and adverbs, and so on. |
| 05:00.14 | thomas_adam | Just as in any numbering system. |
| 05:00.14 | arlen | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.21 | Phated | thomas_adam: Right. |
| 05:00.27 | thomas_adam | arlen: #debian-kde |
| 05:00.28 | toresbe | Phated: surrender |
| 05:00.35 | Phated | toresbe: That was a verb. |
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| 05:00.42 | chealer | arlen: ask #nvidia |
| 05:00.42 | toresbe | Phated: also a noun |
| 05:00.52 | Phated | toresbe: But it was a verb. |
| 05:01.06 | toresbe | Phated: I up! |
| 05:01.17 | toresbe | give* |
| 05:01.28 | Phated | toresbe: No prepositions for you, m'dear. |
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| 05:02.08 | toresbe | I talk good English, but I don't intend to cram what every single word class is named |
| 05:02.10 | Crell | Question. I'm having a problem with my X setup (Sid). I came home tonight to find my computer had spontaneously shut down while I was out (odd). I went to restart it, but X won't start, except via startx as root. I checked and /dev/null was set to 660 permissions. I changed it to 666, and that error went away but I still can't get X to start properly. Any ideas what to check next? |
| 05:02.12 | sussudio | jms: ixnay on the msgay |
| 05:02.26 | Phated | sussudio: Shouldn't that be sgmay? |
| 05:02.30 | toresbe | sussudio: wouldn't that be "sgmay"? |
| 05:02.30 | Phated | toresbe: Speak. |
| 05:02.33 | thomas_adam | Crell: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 05:02.34 | Crell | I've already looked in the /var/log/XFree86.0.log file, and it doesn't say anything is failing. |
| 05:02.35 | sussudio | Phated: nein |
| 05:02.39 | toresbe | Phated: I know, just tired :P |
| 05:02.40 | Phated | sussudio: Why not? |
| 05:02.43 | Phated | toresbe: :) |
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| 05:02.53 | sussudio | Phated: because he's /msging me |
| 05:02.55 | daphatty | anyone around? |
| 05:02.58 | thomas_adam | You might both want to look up grammatical constructs. |
| 05:03.01 | Phated | sussudio: All right. |
| 05:03.04 | kingsley | Crell: Check the log file. |
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| 05:03.15 | daphatty | whoops |
| 05:03.20 | Crell | kingsley: I did. |
| 05:03.28 | Crell | I'm trying thomas's suggestion now. |
| 05:03.47 | chealer | sussudio: is it normal that your #debian logs show approximate nicks? |
| 05:04.10 | sussudio | meh? |
| 05:04.11 | Crell | 2.6 kernel, I guess I should set it ot nice 0 |
| 05:04.28 | thomas_adam | Crell: nah, in 2.6 the nice value is ignored. |
| 05:04.38 | Crell | Ah. Um, ok. |
| 05:04.54 | thomas_adam | Crell: It was only ever useful for 2.4 kernels where the context switching is not as efficient as in 2.6 |
| 05:05.36 | Crell | I see. |
| 05:05.40 | chealer | sussudio: e.g. check for cheale1 (very unusual nick for me) |
| 05:05.54 | Crell | Well, I used dpkg-reconfigure to set it to "anyone on the console" can start X, which it already was. But no change. |
| 05:06.00 | Crell | I'm wary of "anybody". |
| 05:07.34 | thomas_adam | Crell: Explain again, what is happening. |
| 05:07.36 | Crell | And Anybody doesn't change anything either. |
| 05:08.02 | Crell | 1) kdm starts, but any login attempt as my normal user results in X restarting and I get kdm again. |
| 05:08.17 | Crell | 2) I can startx as root, and it loads to Gnome (why Gnome, I don't know). |
| 05:08.35 | sussudio | chealer: it uses whatever nick you used first |
| 05:09.06 | Crell | 3) If I startx as my own user, it flashes a basic X screen (the gray and white checkerboard) then dumps back to the console, but the log file doesn't report anything I recognize as a problem. |
| 05:09.17 | thomas_adam | Crell: 2) is to do with (possibly) ~/.xinitrc / ~/.xsession. |
| 05:09.27 | Crell | I was using the nvidia binary driver (via the nvidia-howto), switched to the nv driver, but no change. |
| 05:09.39 | Crell | Hm. I can't recall ever touching those. Let me check. |
| 05:10.08 | nvz | irssi says it is 00:09 and oclock says it is 11:09 |
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| 05:10.18 | Crell | Well ~/.xsession-errors claims PRNG not seeded. |
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| 05:10.41 | Crell | And I have no .xinitrc or .xsession |
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| 05:11.13 | sussudio | nvz: my mom has a clock that tells the time in russian every half hour. it seems somewhat appropriate. |
| 05:11.33 | nvz | sussudio: heh |
| 05:11.35 | thomas_adam | Crell: what if you: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager ? |
| 05:11.48 | sussudio | nvz: i'm glad the batteries are dead on that thing |
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| 05:12.15 | RobD | hey all |
| 05:12.18 | Crell | Currently set to sawfish(?). |
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| 05:12.48 | kingsley | Crell: google has indexed 659 pages containing the string "PRNG not seeded". |
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| 05:13.01 | nvz | !say nvz: hey |
| 05:13.02 | dpkg | nvz: hey |
| 05:13.15 | rixth | Running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it asks me for my 'video card's bus identifier' waht do I put? agp, agp0 or waht? |
| 05:13.35 | nvz | I am trying to chage my hilight_color to something other than bright yellow, but its not working |
| 05:13.40 | chealer | sussudio: I must be doomed. I have that fallback nick for january and february :) |
| 05:14.01 | Crell | kingsley: Most of them seen SSH related. |
| 05:14.33 | rixth | chealer: following that tut on the nvidia driver, it asks me for my 'video card's bus identifier' waht do I put, agp, apg0 or waht? |
| 05:14.44 | RobD | can anyone recommend a half decent file sharing program that has a linux client available? |
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| 05:14.56 | rixth | RobD: aMule |
| 05:14.57 | Crell | RobD: As in P2P? |
| 05:15.09 | rixth | RobD: apt-get install amule |
| 05:15.26 | RobD | yeah P2P |
| 05:15.26 | Xenguy | Of *course* he offered to do it -- he has wanted a moderated list forever, but you need to understand that his whole agenda is BSD BSD BSD -- he doesn't even run Linux AFAIK. It is ridiculous IMO to give that kind of responsibility to someone who has no actual interest in Linux at all. Actually, I consider it an insult to the members of OCLUG, particularly when you already have existing moderators who *gasp* actually use and promote Linux |
| 05:15.29 | RobD | cheers |
| 05:15.38 | Crell | I like Apollon, which uses giFT on the backend. Great, when giFT actually works. :-) |
| 05:15.50 | Phated | Xenguy: Er.... whaaaat? |
| 05:15.51 | nvz | heh |
| 05:16.02 | nvz | gift works when you configure it properly |
| 05:16.18 | Xenguy | Phated: that was a definite 'ww' comment - move along, nothing to see here ;-) |
| 05:16.25 | Crell | I did have it configured properly, then the gnutella client expired. I've not been able to make it work right since. |
| 05:16.27 | chealer | rixth: it also says "Users of machines other than PowerPCs or SGI Indigo2 XLs with only one video card should leave this entry blank. " |
| 05:16.33 | Phated | Xenguy: It was... hard to miss. |
| 05:16.37 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 05:17.02 | Crell | thomas_adam: Any other thoughts? |
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| 05:17.24 | thomas_adam | Crell: Check all your logs, post them to a pastebin, if you must. |
| 05:17.41 | rixth | Chealer: thanks |
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| 05:18.12 | dabreegster | I'm running 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd ~dabreegster/sarge.iso' and it sees the burner and all, but then it stops, giving me some errors, including: Not ready, no disk / wrong disk. There's a blank CD-R in the drive. Any clues? |
| 05:18.44 | Phated | dabreegster: Go jiggle the disk again. :) |
| 05:19.00 | dabreegster | Phated: I moved it around at least 15 times. |
| 05:19.15 | scarynetworkguy | dabreegster: Bad drive. |
| 05:19.17 | Phated | dabreegster: Then unjiggle it, you have obviously moved it too many times. :) |
| 05:19.19 | dabreegster | Phated: the place where you set the CD is larger than the CD itself, so I've tried aligning itself to different sides. no go. |
| 05:19.30 | Crell | thomas_adam: What's the favored pastebin for this channel? |
| 05:19.34 | dabreegster | and it *did* work once before |
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| 05:19.42 | thomas_adam | !+paster |
| 05:19.42 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 05:19.51 | Crell | Thanks |
| 05:20.22 | paster | "Crell" at 24.13.252.146 pasted "XFree86 log" (682 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/262 |
| 05:20.46 | Crell | What the bot said... |
| 05:20.46 | dabreegster | Phated: in other news, I just created a shwoo sound system. I hooked up my soundcard to my TV's input jack and now I have decent speakers. My dad even has an old hardware equilizer, so I've fixed sound! |
| 05:21.08 | Phated | dabreegster: I... hate you. But awesome. |
| 05:21.40 | dabreegster | Phated: take an audio cable (dirt cheap) and plug it in, the other end to a nearby TV with audio jack |
| 05:21.55 | dabreegster | I wonder what the graphic equilizer will do, if it works. |
| 05:22.02 | Phated | dabreegster: Sweet. |
| 05:22.12 | syntrx | Aint that sad? |
| 05:22.20 | dabreegster | yeah |
| 05:22.29 | dabreegster | oscilloscopes are cool |
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| 05:23.21 | Phated | dabreegster: You should hang out with toresbe. You all seem equally odd. :) |
| 05:23.44 | dabreegster | why? they are. |
| 05:23.59 | dabreegster | cthugha is one for linux; it rules. "an oscilloscope on acid" |
| 05:24.30 | netsurfer | when I use smbmount and it asks me for a password for the windows share, does it send that password in encrypted form ? |
| 05:24.32 | Crell | thomas_adam: Do you see anything in the log that I don't? |
| 05:24.47 | syntrx | Not as nice as a proper oscilloscope. Sound cards are about the worst front ends you can use for that. |
| 05:24.53 | dabreegster | Any clue why cdrecord says 'no disk' when there's a disk? |
| 05:25.03 | dabreegster | syntrx: still, it's cool |
| 05:25.10 | Crell | dabreegster: Does it read a disk with data on it properly? |
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| 05:25.23 | dabreegster | Crell: dunno, haven't really tried |
| 05:25.24 | daphatty | I just downloaded the 2.6.10 kernel but I can't get it to install. It seems apt-get install linux-2.6.10.tar.gz is the wrong command. Could someone set me straight? |
| 05:25.39 | Phated | Whoa... |
| 05:25.46 | mwilson | daphatty: What's that suppposed to do? |
| 05:25.48 | Crell | dabreegster: Try that, and try a different CDR. Could just be a fluke, or the drive could be completely wonky. |
| 05:25.50 | Phated | daphatty: Yeah. You have a number of things to read. |
| 05:25.50 | netsurfer | heh |
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| 05:26.15 | dabreegster | mount /dev/hdd (where the burner is) says 'cdrom: open failed; mount: no medium found' |
| 05:26.23 | daphatty | Phated - According to debianplanet its just about that simple |
| 05:26.33 | quittt | can I stop close bittornado, reboot, and restart it where it stopped? |
| 05:26.36 | Phated | daphatty: Oh, no, it bloody well isn't. |
| 05:26.46 | Crell | dabreegster: That's with a real CD in the drive? Well, that's the problem, it's not reading the drive properly to start with. |
| 05:26.48 | llama32 | what should be in an average sources.list file? im on demudi so it came empty |
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| 05:26.51 | vulture | daphatty: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 05:27.02 | dabreegster | Crell: I dunno |
| 05:27.17 | dabreegster | let me try a console CD player. |
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| 05:27.21 | Kupal[]__ | anyone do samba over pptp connections im running kind of slow :( for what I am doing.. any advice? |
| 05:27.38 | daphatty | So then this article (http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/suriya/kernel_2.6_migration.html) is a bunch of horseshit then? |
| 05:28.03 | Bac9 | jms: if you don't want to make desisions use ms software |
| 05:28.03 | jerjk | i have debian + iptables to get internet to my lan at home. AIM and MSN file transfers don't work, any suggestions how to get this to work? |
| 05:28.03 | scarynetworkguy | Kupal[]__: Use a tunneling protocol that doesn't suck. |
| 05:28.10 | Kupal[]__ | yeah. |
| 05:28.15 | Kupal[]__ | it was just so easy tho :) |
| 05:28.26 | Kupal[]__ | but what would you recommend in terms of technologies and packages. |
| 05:28.30 | toresbe | dabreegster: oscilloscopes are indeed way cool' |
| 05:28.52 | syntrx | Kupal[]__: Pretty much anything except PPTP. |
| 05:28.59 | dabreegster | toresbe: tried cthugha? |
| 05:29.16 | toresbe | dabreegster: would my pIII 550 be able to drive it? |
| 05:29.22 | scarynetworkguy | Kupal[]__: Are you just trying to send a file between two machines on a network? |
| 05:29.23 | syntrx | The only really good thing about PPTP is that it's convenient for Windows users. |
| 05:29.34 | dabreegster | toresbe: oh yeah. a p1 133mhz ran fine |
| 05:29.34 | Kupal[]__ | should i google anything " Pretty much anything except PPTP." |
| 05:29.48 | Phated | dabreegster: See? You and toresbe. Match made in heaven. ;) |
| 05:29.58 | scarynetworkguy | !wayttd Kupal[]__ |
| 05:29.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Kupal[]__? |
| 05:30.00 | Kupal[]__ | scarynetworkguy: just a 10k file timing out on a windows client at about 30secs |
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| 05:30.12 | Kupal[]__ | i also have a drive mapped. |
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| 05:30.13 | daphatty | vulture - Ok. I ran that command and linux seems to have found all of the instances of that phrase. Am I to assume that my apt-get command will now work? |
| 05:30.27 | Phated | vulture: Have fun, dude... :) |
| 05:30.47 | vulture | daphatty: did you see any package called "linux-2.6.10.tar.gz" - if not, why do you expect apt-get install linux-2.6.10.tar.gz would work? |
| 05:31.01 | vulture | on what basis would you even imagine such a package exists? |
| 05:31.07 | mwilson | vulture: But... but... made-up random command lines HAVE to work! |
| 05:31.10 | daphatty | because I downloaded it |
| 05:31.13 | Phated | vulture: On the basis of him downloading it. |
| 05:31.14 | llama32 | can someone like send me their sources.list? |
| 05:31.18 | Crell42 | daphatty: apt-get works for .deb files in the archive. |
| 05:31.18 | Phated | (Told you do.) |
| 05:31.26 | Crell42 | The archive contains NO .tar.gz files. |
| 05:31.29 | vulture | daphatty: you downloaded some tar.gz, what does that have to do with debian packages in debian repositories? |
| 05:31.40 | Phated | ("What archive? Repositories?") |
| 05:31.41 | Crell42 | If you have a tarball, that's the SOURCE CODE for the kernel. You have to then compile it yourself. |
| 05:31.44 | mwilson | Crell42: Uh, are you talking about some other archive than the Debian one? |
| 05:32.02 | vulture | daphatty: did you bother to read the tutorial you provided a link to ( http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/suriya/kernel_2.6_migration.html ) it mentions at least one valid kernel image package nome.. none of this "linux-2.6.10.tar.gz".. |
| 05:32.06 | mwilson | Crell42: Last time most of US checked, there were any number of tarballs in the Debian archive. |
| 05:32.13 | Crell42 | mwilson: Are there bare tar.gz files in the main feeds? |
| 05:32.28 | Crell42 | I've never run across them. |
| 05:32.37 | daphatty | Yes I did read it. |
| 05:32.59 | vulture | daphatty: so why didn't you follow the nistructions? |
| 05:32.59 | Crell42 | mwilson: Those are .src.deb aren't they? |
| 05:33.00 | Crell42 | (Or something like that.) |
| 05:33.01 | Bac9 | mwilson: isn't apt-get source retrieve debianized tarballs not bare tarballs? |
| 05:33.03 | mwilson | Crell42: No. |
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| 05:33.08 | vulture | Bac9: no |
| 05:33.15 | daphatty | However the instructions are rather... brief. |
| 05:33.27 | vulture | Bac9: It retrieves upstream tarballs and the appropriate diff and control files. |
| 05:33.31 | vulture | daphatty: because the process is rather brief |
| 05:33.33 | Crell42 | daphatty: Do you want a precompiled kernel or do you want to compile your own? |
| 05:33.39 | Bac9 | vulture: ah, ok, news to me |
| 05:33.41 | toresbe | damnit!! |
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| 05:33.45 | vulture | and it doesn't mention anything about "apt-get install linux-2.6.10.tar.gz" now does it? |
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| 05:33.47 | Crell42 | And to me. |
| 05:33.54 | toresbe | cthuasdfa modprobed radeonfb! :@ |
| 05:34.01 | mwilson | Crell42: Hint... this is not DeadRat. |
| 05:34.04 | toresbe | or whatever that program's called |
| 05:34.10 | Crell42 | Huh? |
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| 05:34.19 | daphatty | vulture - It also doesnt mention where to get the file that will work with apt-get. |
| 05:34.29 | daphatty | So I sought it out for myself |
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| 05:34.46 | Phated | Oh, boy. |
| 05:34.46 | Crell42 | daphatty: If you're using apt-get, then the file is in the Debian archive and gets downloaded by apt-get. That's the point of apt-get. |
| 05:34.54 | Bac9 | mwilson: was there ever a time in your life long long ago when you weren't angry and bitter? |
| 05:34.55 | ferris | i have a display setting issue... |
| 05:34.55 | Phated | daphatty: You should read the APT HOWTO as well. |
| 05:34.58 | vulture | daphatty: apt-get gets files for you.. |
| 05:35.09 | daphatty | My apt-get doesn't go out to the net to get files |
| 05:35.16 | toresbe | puh |
| 05:35.16 | Crell42 | Then it's broken or misconfigured. |
| 05:35.18 | vulture | daphatty: you really should have a better understanding of how apt works before playing with kernels |
| 05:35.24 | vulture | daphatty: then you haven't setup appropriate sources |
| 05:35.25 | toresbe | with masterlike skill I unfucked it |
| 05:35.29 | daphatty | vulture - agreed |
| 05:35.33 | vulture | daphatty: apt-setup |
| 05:35.34 | Kvant | daphatty, try apt-setup |
| 05:35.47 | ferris | i want to change my setting from .... 800X600... to 1024X?? |
| 05:35.55 | Crell42 | 768 |
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| 05:36.02 | daphatty | FYI - Only reason I am trying this is because someone from this group suggested I upgrade to get my audio working |
| 05:36.06 | ferris | how can I change it? |
| 05:36.08 | Phated | toresbe: That's fairly unstudly of you, mind. ;) |
| 05:36.12 | vulture | ferris: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or etc /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 05:36.15 | mwilson | ferris: Good for you. Go for it. |
| 05:36.25 | dabreegster | cd-discid /dev/hdd says IO error. But cdrecord does talk to the burner |
| 05:36.27 | Bouncy | which network module do i need for a realtek 8029as installing woody |
| 05:36.28 | vulture | s/etc/edit/ |
| 05:36.28 | Bac9 | daphatty: what's wrong with your audio? |
| 05:36.44 | daphatty | It's not working at all |
| 05:36.59 | daphatty | Linux recognizes the onboard hardware but wont play any sound |
| 05:37.00 | vulture | daphatty: have you loaded the appropriate driver for your hardware? |
| 05:37.07 | vulture | "recognizes" in what sense? |
| 05:37.07 | toresbe | fucking hell |
| 05:37.11 | dabreegster | daphatty: try alsaconf if you have alsa |
| 05:37.12 | daphatty | lspci |
| 05:37.13 | toresbe | I can't see |
| 05:37.13 | Bac9 | daphatty: at which point of "working" does it turn to "not working"? |
| 05:37.22 | toresbe | stupid radeonfb!!! |
| 05:37.28 | dabreegster | daphatty: check the compatability lists |
| 05:37.30 | vulture | daphatty: that's not recognition, that's just the hardware's own reporting.. have you loaded the appropriate module? |
| 05:37.42 | daphatty | vulture - probably not. |
| 05:37.43 | Bac9 | daphatty: and how are you trying to play? |
| 05:37.45 | rixth | I just tried to install the Nvidia driver, and when I restarted X gave the error 'No screens found' wtf? I had to find my XF86Config backup |
| 05:37.54 | daphatty | Bac9- Basic CD audio |
| 05:37.59 | Bac9 | daphatty: I am assuming you're using oss, or are you using alsa? |
| 05:38.01 | vulture | daphatty: do you know which module supports your hardware? |
| 05:38.06 | rixth | I was following the nvidia-howto tutorial |
| 05:38.15 | vulture | rixth: read the logs.. |
| 05:38.19 | Phated | How about: "What hardware do you have, daphatty?" |
| 05:38.25 | Bac9 | daphatty: ah, cd audio, not a .wav? |
| 05:38.34 | Phated | "Onboard hardware" is painfully vague. |
| 05:38.41 | daphatty | Bac9 - Yes an actual Audio CD |
| 05:38.46 | Bac9 | daphatty: in which case do you have permission to read the cd directly? |
| 05:38.47 | daphatty | Phated - Agreed |
| 05:38.52 | vulture | daphatty: hardware, what sort do you have? |
| 05:38.55 | Bac9 | daphatty: are you part of the audio group? |
| 05:38.57 | Phated | daphatty: So, what hardware do you have, sheesh? |
| 05:38.58 | daphatty | Bac9 - yes |
| 05:38.59 | dabreegster | If I wanted to reconfigure X cuz i have a new mouse and video card, would I do dpkg-reconfigure xwindows or something? |
| 05:39.10 | Phated | dabreegster: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 05:39.10 | vulture | Bac9: that's not going te be relevant if he hasn't even loaded a module that supports his hardware.. |
| 05:39.15 | dabreegster | k |
| 05:39.18 | chealer | !tell rixth about no screens found |
| 05:39.27 | scarynetworkguy | dabreegster: less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and read the very top. |
| 05:39.27 | netsurfer | dabreegster - iv not been following the whole conversation, what kernel ver? |
| 05:39.28 | Crell42 | dabreegster: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:39.31 | pingouin | i got an trouble with nvidia driver for amd64 any help ? |
| 05:39.39 | dabreegster | ok |
| 05:39.43 | scarynetworkguy | Crell42: That won't work. |
| 05:39.43 | daphatty | 0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 05:39.44 | Bac9 | vulture: I thought he said the kernel loaded a module |
| 05:39.54 | vulture | Bac9: I didn't see any mention of that |
| 05:40.01 | dabreegster | netsurfer: (assuming you're talking about the CDRW) 2.6.7-1-386 |
| 05:40.09 | chealer | pingouin: if you think it's amd64 specific, maybe #debian-amd64. there's also #nvidia. otherwise at least state your problem |
| 05:40.11 | Phated | Bac9: He said that Linux "recognised" it because he could see it in lspci. |
| 05:40.22 | Phated | Which is false, of course... |
| 05:40.25 | netsurfer | dabreegster - ok.. yes I was.. 2.4 kernel u needed /dev/scd but thats not applicable here ;) |
| 05:40.26 | Bac9 | vulture: "Linux recognizes the onboard hardware but wont play any sound" |
| 05:40.39 | vulture | daphatty: via686a is probably what you want to load, or snd-via82xx |
| 05:40.42 | Phated | Bac9: Again, his reasoning for that was that he could see it in lspci. |
| 05:40.42 | Bac9 | Phated: ah, ok, I interpreted that differently |
| 05:40.50 | ctd | Is there any infrastructure in Debian to start a dialin connection on bootup, or should I just write an init script to do it? |
| 05:40.50 | vulture | Bac9: yes, and when I asked him what he meant by recognition, he said lspci |
| 05:41.13 | Bac9 | daphatty: do you run something like discover or somesuch hardware autodiscovering app? |
| 05:41.18 | daphatty | So lspci is nothing more than a linux query to the hardware? |
| 05:41.25 | vulture | daphatty: right. |
| 05:41.26 | daphatty | Bac9- no |
| 05:41.26 | Phated | Pretty much. |
| 05:41.29 | dabreegster | netsurfer: cdrecord will talk to the device, but it always says no disk, and there's one in there. Also, it doesn't even seem to talk to the cd drive, cause no lights flash, and I recall that they did before. |
| 05:41.38 | pingouin | chealer: the drivers install - i CAN modprobe - but it's fail to lauch X, for some missing link for 32 bit compatibility... |
| 05:41.41 | vulture | daphatty: load one/both of the modules I mentioned earlier.. |
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| 05:41.47 | daphatty | vulture - Thank you for clarifying that |
| 05:41.53 | Bac9 | daphatty: as you seem to be a newb I sugest you install it and see how your hardware is automatically configured |
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| 05:41.58 | netsurfer | dabreegster - dmesg show anything ? |
| 05:42.08 | rixth | chealer: after fixing the problem by using my backup, I don't have the log of the error, ill reproduce it |
| 05:42.10 | dabreegster | netsurfer: not much, it just mounts it as /dev/hdd |
| 05:42.12 | rixth | Back in ten |
| 05:42.13 | chealer | pingouin: that looks like #debian-amd64 then |
| 05:42.15 | dabreegster | let me review it again |
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| 05:42.28 | netsurfer | dabreegster - no number after that hdd ? |
| 05:42.33 | skip_ | help please...what file's permissions do I have to change in order to run xsane as a non-root user. When I run xsane it can't detect the scanner, but when I run it as root, it does detect the scanner |
| 05:42.40 | Bac9 | daphatty: hotplug might help too |
| 05:42.43 | Phated | netsurfer: Er, you don't partition a CD drive... |
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| 05:42.51 | netsurfer | whoops ;) |
| 05:42.51 | dabreegster | well, it's ATAPI apparently. bout the number, no |
| 05:43.43 | Phated | skip_: You're in the scanner group, or whatever group sane would have registered...? |
| 05:44.01 | skip_ | Phated: hang on, I'll check... |
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| 05:44.41 | skip_ | Phated: yes I am |
| 05:44.56 | scarynetworkguy | skip_: Did you add yourself? |
| 05:45.07 | Phated | In which case... Consult manuals. |
| 05:45.21 | skip_ | scarynetworkguy: no I didn't add myself |
| 05:45.39 | scarynetworkguy | skip_: Then how did you get in the group? |
| 05:45.44 | Phated | Er, wtf? You can't be in without adding... |
| 05:45.55 | skip_ | scarynetworkguy: no idea... |
| 05:45.55 | scarynetworkguy | That would be my point. |
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| 05:46.08 | scarynetworkguy | skip_: It didn't happen by magic..... |
| 05:46.28 | skip_ | scarynetworkguy: well I can assure you that I didn't add myself |
| 05:47.05 | scarynetworkguy | skip_: Riiiiiiiiight. Try logging out and logging back in. Odds are you have not done that since you were magically added to said group. |
| 05:47.18 | scarynetworkguy | skip_: BTW what group are you in? |
| 05:47.32 | skip_ | scarynetworkguy: okey dokes, I'll be back... |
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| 05:49.38 | dabreegster | When I configure X, it asks for the video card's bus ID. the default didn't seem to work, and lspci lists something different. it says lspci repots in hex, so any clue which bit of info lspci returns deals with the bus id thing? |
| 05:50.15 | scarynetworkguy | dabreegster: Leave it blank. |
| 05:50.53 | dabreegster | it has a defualt value in there |
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| 05:51.06 | skip_ | ok, it's all good now... |
| 05:51.11 | dabreegster | and when I tried to startx, it blinked for a bit then told me X died. |
| 05:51.56 | skip_ | long story short...I manually added myself to the 'scanner' and 'saned' groups |
| 05:52.03 | skip_ | thanks |
| 05:52.29 | rixth | Chealer: if you could come to flood, I'll post my error log |
| 05:52.36 | ferris | i am trying to reconfigure the display.... but when i try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' .... i get an dpkg ... not a command |
| 05:52.38 | daphatty | FYI. VIA website recommends using the ALSA drivers for Debian installations and the via VT82C686 chipset |
| 05:52.43 | chealer | rixth: I'm there |
| 05:52.58 | chealer | ferris: are you root? |
| 05:53.08 | daphatty | Now, to figure out which version to grab and how to install it. :) |
| 05:53.30 | rixth | chealer: Can't see why it failed to initialize, I followed that tutorial and encountered 0 errors. |
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| 05:53.32 | dabreegster | thanks scarynetworkguy, I took the default away and it works now |
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| 05:53.53 | chealer | rixth: did you read the troubleshooting section? |
| 05:53.54 | ferris | chealer, yes... now |
| 05:53.56 | ferris | thanks |
| 05:54.04 | chealer | !drxx |
| 05:54.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 05:54.43 | rixth | I have a tendency to forget to rad those :) |
| 05:54.49 | dabreegster | also, when I ran gpmconfig, I told it to use /dev/psaux (X is fine with it) but it didn't work. I messed around with the other options, but nada. |
| 05:55.18 | chealer | rixth: every man has to learn to like man |
| 05:55.53 | doublehp | I have a big .tar.gz ... I only want to extract the dir3 subdir in it, is that possible ? man tar did not help |
| 05:56.02 | Crell42 | chealer: Some men prefer to like women... |
| 05:56.37 | chealer | Crell42: command not found |
| 05:56.53 | Crell42 | :-) |
| 05:56.57 | chealer | ;) |
| 05:57.02 | walnuck | is sectors per cylinder, is the same as saying sectors per track? |
| 05:57.18 | mwilson | walnuck: Uh, why would it be? |
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| 05:57.31 | mwilson | walnuck: Is a cylinder the same thing as a track? |
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| 05:57.58 | all | hii |
| 05:58.06 | netcat1 | I don't get install |
| 05:58.13 | netcat1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.17 | all | what ?? |
| 05:58.43 | netcat1 | scaner.. install |
| 05:58.45 | all | yup have tried it onece |
| 05:58.49 | all | once * |
| 05:59.08 | netcat1 | yep |
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| 05:59.20 | Crell42 | This has got to be a permission problem somehow... |
| 05:59.37 | netcat1 | anybody |
| 06:00.24 | netcat1 | anybody could help me with my scaner |
| 06:00.44 | chealer | !anybody |
| 06:00.44 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 06:00.52 | dabreegster | How could i change the mouse speed in X? It jumps around too much. |
| 06:00.56 | Crell42 | Here's the deal: I can start X via kdm or starx as root. If I try as a normal user, it fails. I've already changed /dev/null to 666 from 660 (why was it 660 to start with?), but no dice. Suggestions what to try next? |
| 06:01.09 | chealer | !tell netcat1 about ask |
| 06:01.32 | netcat1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:02.22 | decklin | Crell42: "it fails" is not a very clear description. |
| 06:02.29 | netcat1 | chealer, my scaner is scanjet 3200C, I'm useing the xsane |
| 06:02.34 | Crell42 | It doesn't appear to be a problem with my specific user, since I just tried with a fresh test user. |
| 06:02.49 | chealer | netcat1: are you natively English-speaking? |
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| 06:03.05 | Crell42 | decklin: Shorthand for "screen flickers to X, then shuts down again and gives me a command prompt or back to kdm. The log file doesn't say anything that I recognize as a potential problem source." |
| 06:03.06 | netcat1 | sorry!! |
| 06:03.21 | rixth | Chealer: all fixed! thatnks dude! you are t3h 1337 l1nux ma5t3r :) |
| 06:03.38 | chealer | netcat1: I'm just asking what language you speak. another channel may help you more |
| 06:03.54 | chealer | rixth: no, but no problem :) |
| 06:04.11 | netcat1 | chearler, I'm need just of help |
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| 06:05.00 | Crell42 | decklin: does that ring any bells? |
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| 06:05.06 | netcat1 | chearler, I'm trying install my scaner with xsane. |
| 06:05.31 | decklin | Crell42: does *what* ring any bells? that doesn't tell us anything. you need to find the error in your log. |
| 06:05.35 | Dull404 | hello |
| 06:05.44 | chealer | netcat1: sorry, I have no experience with scanners myself. I do have one I'm planning to switch to my box in the next few days though :) |
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| 06:05.57 | Dull404 | is it possible to get a dvd of the iso files instead of 6cd's ? |
| 06:06.03 | Crell42 | decklin: I've looked at the log. I can't find any errors in there that would be causing this, at least given my knowledge of X. |
| 06:06.08 | Dull404 | or 7 even... |
| 06:06.11 | chealer | Dull404: yes, with jigdo |
| 06:06.12 | netcat1 | chealer, ok. |
| 06:06.25 | chealer | Dull404: but that's if you really want to get 7 CDs |
| 06:06.33 | Crell42 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/262 is the pastebin of it. If you see something I don't, I'd greatly appreciate it. |
| 06:06.46 | chealer | Dull404: are you downloading the CDs from the same PC on which you'll use them? |
| 06:06.59 | Dull404 | Chealer: yes.... |
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| 06:07.14 | chealer | Dull404: spare your burner, and download the netinstall |
| 06:07.27 | Crell42 | netinstall yummy. |
| 06:07.46 | dabreegster | How do you actually access CD RW drives? Through /dev/hdx? /dev/cdrom is just a symlink. I'm having trouble getting both my CDROM drive and CDRW drive to work. |
| 06:07.46 | chealer | unless you're planning to deploy on several PCs, of course |
| 06:07.52 | Dull404 | chealer: but would be nice to have a dvd.... for future use ;) |
| 06:08.34 | decklin | Crell42: anything in .xsession-errors? |
| 06:08.35 | Dull404 | chealer: im using ubuntu now, but its a bit limited when it comes to software..... |
| 06:08.45 | chealer | Dull404: I thought like you before I changed my mind. new versions are out regularly when you use testing |
| 06:09.01 | Crell42 | decklin: PRNG is not seeded. googling for that error turned up mostly stuff about SSL or SSH. |
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| 06:09.27 | Dull404 | chealer: ok, netinstall.. is on how many cd's ? one? |
| 06:09.41 | decklin | Crell42: ssh-agent, yeah. permissions on /dev/*random? |
| 06:09.52 | chealer | yes. you could burn lots of pr0n to fill the rest |
| 06:10.04 | daphatty | Damn. Almost there. Would someone be willing to interpret this error message I received when I tried a make install? |
| 06:10.11 | Jocko_Man | anyone know how to set up server side include in apache or know a good place to find someone who would know? |
| 06:10.25 | Crell42 | decklin: Ah ha. Both random and urandom are set to 660, just as /dev/null was. |
| 06:10.31 | chealer | Jocko_Man: #apache wouldn't be my last choice |
| 06:10.36 | Crell42 | I think I've seen this before. Why does it revert back to 660 root:root? |
| 06:11.00 | decklin | Crell42: incorrectly configured devfs or udev? |
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| 06:11.16 | wishie | is there a mame emulator that can output to the framebuffer ? |
| 06:11.18 | Crell42 | udev on this system. Hm. *goes to check the current config file.* |
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| 06:11.24 | mwilson | Jocko_Man: And you wouldn't just read the apache documentation because...? |
| 06:11.27 | wishie | or do i need to use svgalib or sdl |
| 06:12.14 | Crell42 | "random" doesn't exist in udev.rules. Hrm. |
| 06:13.17 | Crell42 | Ah ha..... I think that may be the problem. |
| 06:13.33 | decklin | Crell42: i have it (0666) in rules.d/udev.rules as shipped with 0.051-1. might want to try reinstalling or upgrading. |
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| 06:13.40 | Crell42 | Somewhere along the line a new udev got installed with a new udev.rules default file, which didn't replace mine because I've added some stuff to it. |
| 06:13.58 | decklin | Crell42: ah. there you go. :) |
| 06:14.07 | Crell42 | The NEW config file (innactive) has settings for null and random, but mine doesn't. |
| 06:14.10 | Crell42 | Let me remerge them... |
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| 06:15.02 | dabreegster | Anybody have experiences with gpm and ps2 mice? |
| 06:15.03 | Bac9 | Crell42: why don't you just make your own rules file |
| 06:15.13 | Crell42 | Bac9: I wasn't aware you could.... |
| 06:15.17 | Bac9 | Crell42: no more merges and no more wories about overwrites |
| 06:15.46 | Crell42 | Let me guess, any file in rules.d/ gets used, so just create a bunch of others in there? |
| 06:16.00 | Crell42 | What order do they get read in? |
| 06:16.02 | Bac9 | Crell42: /etc/udev/rules.d/ place it there, the files are read in alphabetical order and the last definition is used (read in some docs somewhere) |
| 06:16.05 | Dull404 | is debian a good beginner linux dist? i've tried mandrake,suse,fc3... but dont like rpm... |
| 06:16.06 | decklin | Crell42: correct. which you can generally assume for any directory foo.d. |
| 06:16.15 | mwilson | Hm, all of -11 hasn't passed the autobuilders yet. |
| 06:16.17 | Crell42 | I see. |
| 06:16.21 | decklin | Crell42: alphabetical |
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| 06:16.51 | Crell42 | Dull404: Depends on the beginner. If you're comfortable with a command line and willing to learn "the debian way", sarge can be quite good. If not, you don't want to start here. :-) |
| 06:16.52 | Bac9 | Dull404: if you don't mind the install process then yes (I think so), if install is painfull then go to fedora |
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| 06:17.11 | Crell42 | Sarge's install is no more difficult than fedora, IMHO. |
| 06:17.15 | decklin | (of course, that depends. some things use run-parts, some roll their own.) |
| 06:17.16 | Crell42 | Just not as pretty. |
| 06:17.47 | chealer | Dull404: it's not targeted at beginners, but not as bad as you would think, if you already tried some other distros. use sarge though |
| 06:18.07 | Bac9 | Crell42: only tried redhat a couple years back, the install was pretty easy, maintenance was torture, I lasted 2 weeks before switching to debian |
| 06:18.21 | Dull404 | Bac9 i tried gentoo.. but gave up after half of the install........ |
| 06:18.37 | Crell42 | Bac9: Exactly. :-) And Fedora is useless if you want to do anything other than push the pretty buttons it gives you. |
| 06:18.41 | Bac9 | Dull404: in debian things are already precompiled |
| 06:18.52 | Dull404 | Bac9: yeah i know.... |
| 06:18.56 | Crell42 | Hum. Looks like udev has changed notably since I last learned about how it worked. |
| 06:19.09 | Bac9 | Crell42: preeetyyy butttons wooow beeuuutifulll :-) |
| 06:19.25 | Dull404 | chealer: sarge? |
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| 06:19.39 | chealer | Dull404: the distribution currently in testing (3.1) |
| 06:19.45 | chealer | !desktop |
| 06:19.45 | dpkg | methinks desktop is a fucking asshole |
| 06:19.50 | arango | What's the name of the program that allows you to tweek your screen and prints the modeline once you're done ? |
| 06:19.50 | chealer | ^^wow |
| 06:20.01 | Dull404 | chealer: ok :) |
| 06:20.03 | Crell42 | LOL. /etc/udev/links.conf First line is "#This file does not exist." |
| 06:20.06 | Bac9 | Crell42: yeah it got cleaned up in last half a year or so... now with hotplug it's a great substitute for devfs |
| 06:20.16 | decklin | arango: xvidtune |
| 06:20.22 | chealer | Dull404: http://debian.org/releases |
| 06:20.30 | Crell42 | I guess I need to relearn it then. Know any good up to date references/tutorials? |
| 06:20.32 | arango | decklin: thanks |
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| 06:21.30 | atrus | i'm looking for an app that will open/convert a .MUS file, mime type application/x-Finale-music-notation |
| 06:21.32 | Dull404 | i just cant find a good distro.... fc3 is "pretty" but all this rpm yum stuff is shiet... mandrake same same... suse....ok. gentoo seems excellent, but impossible to install.... |
| 06:22.05 | Crell42 | Debian: The flexibility of Gentoo, the speed of install of, uh, better than any of them. :-) |
| 06:22.08 | Dull404 | *sigh* now im running ubuntu... |
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| 06:23.29 | Dull404 | Crell42: can u use k3b,mplayer with it? ... |
| 06:23.31 | Crell42 | Three different CD-links config file options now. Which one do you recommend? :-) |
| 06:23.48 | Crell42 | Dull404: I sue k3b all the time. mplayer works, although I prefer Kaffeine, which is xine-based. |
| 06:24.14 | Crell42 | cd-aliases.rules, simple-cd-aliases.rules, cdsymlinks.conf |
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| 06:24.41 | Dull404 | Crell42: ah kaffein... ok. for burning with ubuntu im stuck with nautilus :/ |
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| 06:24.51 | chealer | Crell42: and mplayer isn't in debian. it works hardly for me |
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| 06:25.08 | Crell42 | chealer: You can get it from a 3rd party feed. |
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| 06:25.18 | Bac9 | Crell42: udev is pretty self explanetory |
| 06:25.21 | ptl | what is the name of that program that creates empty .deb packages for use as metapackages? |
| 06:25.33 | Crell42 | Dull404: #1 reason I am not interested in Ubuntu. :-) I'm a KDE guy. |
| 06:25.53 | chugga | Crell42, what does that mean, ubuntu doesnt use KDE? |
| 06:25.59 | Dull404 | Crell42: apt-get for software or is there "synaptic" ? |
| 06:26.17 | Dull404 | Crell42: ubuntu is "just out" .. it will in the future have both gnome and KDE |
| 06:26.21 | Crell42 | chugga: It defaults to Gnome, I believe. (At least the livecd does.) |
| 06:26.30 | Bac9 | Crell42: the udev install scripts matured nicely over the past few months |
| 06:26.40 | Dull404 | yeah gnome is default at the 'mo |
| 06:26.47 | Dull404 | ' |
| 06:26.50 | Crell42 | Bac9: It isn't explaining the difference between cd-aliases and simple-cd-aliases very well, at least. :-) |
| 06:26.58 | chealer | Dull404: synaptic is a native Debian project. install debian and see how it does |
| 06:26.59 | chugga | Crell42, i really dont see the big deal though .. one desktop is bad as the other in different ways |
| 06:27.09 | Crell42 | Although it does look like it's much better than it was when I first installed it and it kept breaking. |
| 06:27.29 | chugga | (and equally, in terms of benefits) |
| 06:27.29 | chealer | chugga: KDE isn't in Ubuntu "main" |
| 06:27.42 | Bac9 | Crell42: for me at the moment udev just works (tm) |
| 06:27.42 | s3itz | My brother uses that gnome app... seems ok, just slow |
| 06:27.44 | Dull404 | chealer: ok i will try it out :) |
| 06:27.49 | Kupal[]__ | !ubunto |
| 06:28.06 | Kupal[]__ | !ubuntu |
| 06:28.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 06:28.08 | Bac9 | Crell42: I haven't had to change anything except some permissions, and that's via adding a file to that directory |
| 06:28.23 | s3itz | udev broke my system quite a bit when I first tried it |
| 06:28.29 | Dull404 | dpkg: its based on debian...... |
| 06:28.29 | dpkg | Dull404: wish i knew |
| 06:28.33 | chugga | chealer, im sure a popular distro like ubuntu has different versions of it to suit ppl like you |
| 06:28.44 | Crell42 | Bac9: Good. At the moment for me it doesn't, I'm trying to get it so that it does. :-) |
| 06:28.49 | Dull404 | dpkg: what? |
| 06:28.49 | dpkg | This! |
| 06:29.02 | chealer | chugga: it's not the point. KDE isn't officially supported in ubuntu |
| 06:29.08 | chealer | !dpkg |
| 06:29.08 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
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| 06:29.16 | Dull404 | chealer: not yet, but KDE will be |
| 06:29.20 | Bac9 | Crell42: I hope you have hotplug installed, it really helps with usb |
| 06:29.24 | Crell42 | Bac9: Do you use a mulit-slot card reader? |
| 06:29.26 | chugga | chealer, ok, and linux isnt officially supported by your ISP, but you still use it |
| 06:29.26 | llama32 | anyone know of a reliable msn client for linux? |
| 06:29.37 | Crell42 | Yep, hotplug's already here. |
| 06:29.39 | Bac9 | Crell42: nope, but as I understand those are usb based |
| 06:29.44 | chugga | llama32, amsn has the most featurs. gaim is the nicest looking |
| 06:29.46 | s3itz | It makes sense. Gnome is a lot easier to support. |
| 06:29.54 | Dull404 | llama32_ i use Gaim |
| 06:29.55 | Bac9 | llama32: way to many to list |
| 06:29.56 | Crell42 | llama32: MSN messenger? Gaim or Kopete, both multi-protocol. |
| 06:30.02 | s3itz | I'd choose it if I were to ever work on such a project. |
| 06:30.20 | Bac9 | llama32: just about all im clients available support multiple protocols |
| 06:30.24 | ptl | doesn't anyone know which is that little utility that creates named empty deb packages? |
| 06:30.27 | Crell42 | Bac9: Yes. Which means multi-LUN SCSI without any actual notification on card insertion. Which makes them a PITA. :-) |
| 06:30.35 | Crell42 | pt1: Never build a deb, sorry. |
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| 06:30.48 | ptl | Crell42: k, thanx anyway. |
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| 06:31.20 | nu11void | I am using farpd, at the moment I am able to get all unanswered packet to be handle by my gateway which is also running farpd, but I got problem in 'extending' the request |
| 06:31.26 | Bac9 | Crell42: have not delt witch automounting scsi, sorry |
| 06:31.35 | nu11void | what I am trying to do is to create zero config network, where regardless what IP a computer will have, my gateway can be the man-inthe-middle to route the traffic |
| 06:31.47 | Crell42 | I find the idea of dangling everything off of SCSI to be nonsense to start with, frankly. :-) |
| 06:32.09 | decklin | ptl: equivs |
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| 06:32.53 | Crell42 | Hm. It has a default config line now for a Palm. Interesting.... |
| 06:32.58 | Crell42 | I wonder if it will actually work. :-) |
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| 06:33.37 | ptl | decklin: this is the type of entry in the debian control files for saying equivalent packages... but in fact there is a little utility that just asks some questions and builds an empty .deb package in the current directory. I just can't remember its name. |
| 06:34.19 | Crell42 | Well, reboot and see if it survives.... |
| 06:34.23 | Bac9 | nulltank: dhcpd? |
| 06:34.27 | decklin | ptl: do you mean dh-make? i suppose it might do that if you ran it in an empty directory. |
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| 06:34.52 | sussudio | meh? |
| 06:35.08 | spoofer | Anyone interested by a gmail invitation? I have got 20 of them to distribute.. |
| 06:35.17 | nu11void | I got 50 gmail |
| 06:35.21 | sussudio | !fist spoofer |
| 06:35.23 | Crell42 | Already got one and a few dozen to offer, thanks. :-) |
| 06:35.31 | spoofer | same here |
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| 06:35.44 | spoofer | sussudio: ? |
| 06:35.46 | sussudio | spoofer: weren't you banned here before for exactly this same shit? |
| 06:35.50 | nu11void | guys anyone here play with farpd?? |
| 06:35.53 | Bac9 | nu11void: dhcpd? |
| 06:35.57 | spoofer | huh??? sussudio |
| 06:35.58 | spoofer | no |
| 06:36.00 | nu11void | no |
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| 06:36.23 | Crell42 | ha ha! KDE's booting now. It was udev. |
| 06:36.28 | kreg | seems webmin in sarge is unable to enable samba users from "account disabled". never saves the option. |
| 06:36.32 | spoofer | sussudio: why are you saying that? |
| 06:36.33 | Crell42 | Although now I have no sound.... probably volume AGAIN. |
| 06:36.49 | sussudio | spoofer: because gmail spamming is reason to. |
| 06:36.53 | Crell42 | no there it is. Just slow. *sigh* Now to reinstall the nvidia drivers that I took out. |
| 06:37.19 | nu11void | Bac9: what I mean by zero config is that the client may have any network config, which doesn't need to be changes, all the magic will be done by farpd |
| 06:37.29 | walnuck | does losetup make permanent changes ? |
| 06:37.37 | nu11void | I tried to look for farpd documentation but no luck |
| 06:37.52 | ptl | decklin: I didn't know dh-make, it's cool, it's not the utility I was looking for but I guess I can be using it. Thanks. |
| 06:37.55 | Crell42 | .... or not. My shift status is afu now. That's just freaky. :-) |
| 06:38.10 | Bac9 | nu11void: sounds a bit broken... |
| 06:38.11 | spoofer | sussudio: Hey, I propose that too make people happy If they need/want one, what's the problem? You'r a really unrespectfull guy sussudio, it's not the first time I see you insulting people with no reason.. |
| 06:38.50 | nu11void | Bac9: what you mean |
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| 06:38.52 | spdf | spoofer, There are websites you can send the links to. Same sense of "do gooderness". |
| 06:38.52 | Crell42 | Numbers and symbols are now stuck in shift on, regardless of capslock. That's highly bizarre. :-) |
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| 06:38.58 | Bac9 | nu11void: don't all nodes on a lan have to be on same subnet? |
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| 06:39.20 | nu11void | Bac9: I am talking about mobile user |
| 06:39.29 | kreg | anyone know what samba config file holds accounts? i am looking for how to enable an account. samba says it's currently disabled. |
| 06:39.40 | Crell42 | Oh boy, trying to fix this will be FUN. o_O |
| 06:39.44 | spoofer | spdf: ok thanks, do you have a link? |
| 06:39.52 | sussudio | spoofer: no, people who spam gmail invites are fucking annoying scum of the earth. |
| 06:39.58 | syntrx | nullvoid: What's wrong with DHCP? |
| 06:40.09 | Bac9 | nu11void: so the nodes of a lan have to be configured with correct ips, do they not? |
| 06:40.39 | nu11void | Bac9: in some of wireless hotspot in my country have this features, where even my laptop have static IP which suits my office network, able to browse the internet at that hotspot |
| 06:40.58 | spoofer | sussudio: How the fuck could I know that? Don't you think that simply telling me "hey it's not the right place to propose that" is smarter? |
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| 06:41.04 | nu11void | Bac9: http://www.synchroweb.com/product_hotgate.htm |
| 06:41.09 | Crell42 | OK, my console is screwed. Thanks, udev! |
| 06:41.15 | Bac9 | nu11void: have not come across those, are you sure it has static ip? |
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| 06:41.37 | nu11void | Bac9: mine have static IP and able to browse the net |
| 06:41.47 | sussudio | spoofer: it was in the topic for a long time, it's assumed that people have the sense not to spam that crap anymore in here. |
| 06:41.49 | nu11void | Bac9: I am 100% sure |
| 06:42.45 | Crell42 | Has anyone ever had their keyboard get stuck in semi-capslock mode? :-) |
| 06:42.46 | Bac9 | nu11void: maybe you're just on same subnet? 192.168.0.0/24? |
| 06:42.55 | Bac9 | nu11void: or somesuch? |
| 06:43.04 | spoofer | sussudio: ridiculous, can't you even imagine that I may have missed a few topics? |
| 06:43.36 | nu11void | Bac9: I even try with IP:123.123.123.123 SM: 222.222.222.222 GW:1.1.1.1 and I am able to connected to the net |
| 06:43.53 | sussudio | helix: could you tell spoofer that offering gmail invites in here is annoying? |
| 06:44.00 | Bac9 | nu11void: then donno |
| 06:44.06 | helix | spoofer: don't do that |
| 06:44.09 | sussudio | ktnx. |
| 06:44.15 | nu11void | Bac9: when I check the gateway ip it was 10.10.10.1 |
| 06:44.45 | spoofer | sussudio: sussudio helix why did he first insult me in place of just saying that? |
| 06:44.51 | helix | what |
| 06:45.09 | helix | just stop talking to each other |
| 06:45.10 | helix | and me as well |
| 06:45.11 | Bac9 | nu11void: acording to the apt description I can see that it might be possible to set that up, but why do you really need it? |
| 06:45.14 | helix | or I'll kick you both out |
| 06:45.14 | llama32 | what do i do when apt-get cant lock it's cache folder? |
| 06:45.17 | toresbe | Is it possible to make a tarball with busybox tar? |
| 06:45.23 | Bac9 | nu11void: do you intend to run your own hotspot? |
| 06:45.27 | nu11void | yes |
| 06:45.32 | spoofer | ow geee |
| 06:45.42 | Bac9 | nu11void: good luck and don't forget a firewall |
| 06:45.48 | jjazz | llama32 are you running apt-get as root? |
| 06:46.12 | nu11void | Bac9: I email the maintainer asking about this but still no reply |
| 06:46.27 | llama32 | yeah, i control-c'd out of aptitude by accident, so it still thinks its in use |
| 06:46.39 | Bac9 | nu11void: and there's no docs in /us/share/doc/farpd/ ? |
| 06:46.45 | Bac9 | nu11void: and there's no docs in /usr/share/doc/farpd/ ? |
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| 06:47.03 | llama32 | wait nm, cd to it and 'rm lock' |
| 06:47.07 | llama32 | hope that works :) |
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| 06:47.08 | nu11void | changelog.Debian.gz copyright README.Debian |
| 06:47.11 | jjazz | :) |
| 06:47.18 | nu11void | that's all |
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| 06:47.20 | jjazz | it should do it, methinks |
| 06:47.25 | nu11void | Bac9: nothing more |
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| 06:47.53 | vegetax | hi anybody has a guestimation on when debian next release is going to be? why has been delayed so much? |
| 06:47.54 | Bac9 | nu11void: any comments in /etc/farpd or somesuch? |
| 06:48.00 | vegetax | i am too impatient |
| 06:48.03 | vegetax | =( |
| 06:48.15 | peterS | vegetax: you should read debian-devel-announce |
| 06:48.41 | nu11void | Bac9: none just a bin fil |
| 06:48.48 | vegetax | peter5: i already checked but no eta or something like that =( |
| 06:48.53 | nu11void | Bac9: /usr/sbin/farpd |
| 06:49.01 | peterS | vegetax: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html for example |
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| 06:49.15 | Bac9 | nu11void: any comments in /etc/init.d/farpd ? |
| 06:49.41 | Bac9 | nu11void: maybe it just doesn't need any config (from the sound of it) |
| 06:49.41 | peterS | vegetax: anyway, there's not much to report beyond that email message |
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| 06:50.07 | vegetax | i see but it is a light at least =) |
| 06:50.25 | nu11void | Bac9: none |
| 06:50.54 | Bac9 | nu11void: and what exactly is it that you want it to do that it doesn't do now? |
| 06:50.56 | nu11void | Bac9: I think so, I just run farpd from the shell and it will work, |
| 06:51.27 | nu11void | Bac9: it answer all the packet, but how to route the traffic |
| 06:52.03 | nu11void | Bac9: let say a client IP:123.123.123.123 connecting to www.google.com |
| 06:52.09 | Bac9 | nu11void: rewrite via nat and forget about it |
| 06:52.20 | walnuck | anyone know where filesystem size is registered? |
| 06:52.28 | nu11void | Bac9: any ref to rewrite nat? |
| 06:52.40 | Bac9 | nu11void: man iptables ? |
| 06:53.05 | Bac9 | nu11void: at least that's my guess from the apt description and vague idea of how it works |
| 06:53.17 | toresbe | Oh fuck no! |
| 06:53.18 | nu11void | Bac9: same here |
| 06:53.23 | toresbe | bad blocks :@ |
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| 06:53.50 | Bac9 | toresbe: bad blocks are a lot better than bad heads |
| 06:54.21 | vegetax | what about bad cilinders? |
| 06:54.28 | vegetax | haha |
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| 06:55.02 | toresbe | vegetax: oh, lol. :P |
| 06:55.27 | toresbe | actually, I think the cylinder *is* bad |
| 06:56.07 | Bac9 | vegetax: when you have bad cilinders you probably already have either bad platters or bad heads |
| 06:56.29 | nu11void | Bac9: can you give me sample how the nat rewrite |
| 06:56.41 | vegetax | and you can throw away that disk =P |
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| 06:56.48 | Bac9 | nu11void: have you ever used iptables? |
| 06:56.53 | ptl | just to inform |
| 06:57.01 | ptl | yes, the package I was looking for was the equivs package |
| 06:57.01 | Crell42 | ARGL! |
| 06:57.05 | Bac9 | nu11void: first of all can you ping your router and the workstation? |
| 06:57.09 | ptl | thanks for the info and sorry for ignoring the first advice |
| 06:57.15 | Bouncy | what are the commands for rebuilding a kernel 2.2.25 after making config? |
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| 06:57.37 | Bouncy | i know make dep, what comes after that.? |
| 06:58.01 | dabreegster | rm -rf /? |
| 06:58.09 | nu11void | no |
| 06:58.21 | dabreegster | </sarcasm> |
| 06:59.10 | Crell42 | Well, at least I'm back to no screens found now..... |
| 06:59.17 | Bac9 | nu11void: something like iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 06:59.47 | Bac9 | nu11void: but there is probably a way to make that more efficient and closed down to attacks |
| 07:00.05 | Crell42 | failed to initialize nvidia kernel module.... why? I just followed the howto. Gr. |
| 07:00.11 | Bac9 | nu11void: what doy uo use as your firewall now anyway? |
| 07:00.31 | Bac9 | s/doy uo/do you/ |
| 07:00.55 | Bac9 | nu11void: you might as well learn how to set up a firewall properly if you plan to run a hotspot |
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| 07:01.37 | marcm | hey there |
| 07:01.44 | chealer | Crell42: did you check the troubleshooting part? |
| 07:01.53 | marcm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:02.11 | sussudio | marcm: no. |
| 07:02.12 | Crell42 | marcm: What's the catch? :-) |
| 07:02.18 | marcm | none |
| 07:02.24 | marcm | I'm going PCI-E |
| 07:02.30 | sussudio | marcm: are you spamming every single channel on freenode with this? |
| 07:02.32 | marcm | had a 2800, god this last week |
| 07:02.35 | marcm | brand new |
| 07:02.49 | chealer | sussudio: I can send you tons of new spam |
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| 07:04.47 | Loof | Anyone here know how to get Yahoo working on centericq, or why it might be failing... OR if there is another console based Yahoo IM client? |
| 07:04.55 | senin | Does anyone know why the following error is happening while building debian kernel: "make: *** No rule to make target 'conf.vars', needed by 'stamp-configure'. Stop." |
| 07:04.57 | Bac9 | marcm: sounds like you have cash to spare, feel like donating to a good cause? |
| 07:05.36 | marcm | Bac9 I don't, sorry:) but I would if I had:) I like to give away, but those are to expensive toys for me:) |
| 07:05.52 | marcm | just like to test stuff, curiousity |
| 07:05.55 | Crell42 | Hm. Question. I followed the tutorial linked from dpkg nvidia-howto. module-assistant seemed to work properly, but now X is failing with message "failed to initialize the Nvidia kernel module." Wouldn't that have been taken care of by module-assistant? |
| 07:06.07 | chealer | Crell42: did you check the troubleshooting part? |
| 07:06.08 | marcm | I'm getting a P4 530J, PCI-E mobo, see how it does |
| 07:06.27 | Crell42 | Expensive curiosity. I might consider taking you up on it if I had the cash myself, but I'm looking for a job. :-) |
| 07:06.50 | Bac9 | marcm: you're trading a 64bit cpu for a 32 bit cpu? |
| 07:07.00 | marcm | yep |
| 07:07.16 | Bac9 | marcm: enjoy |
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| 07:07.18 | marcm | Bac9 don't need 64 bit...yet... wanna see how HT is on P4.... |
| 07:07.24 | marcm | Bac9 I will:) |
| 07:07.39 | marcm | Bac9 have a Deleron @ 3.7, it's really fast |
| 07:07.44 | Crell42 | hm |
| 07:07.44 | Halahad | Crell42 , try to add a line "nvidia" in /etc/modules |
| 07:07.51 | marcm | night all |
| 07:07.55 | marcm | see you next time |
| 07:08.02 | marcm | sorry if I was to intrusive |
| 07:08.08 | marcm | I'm a str8 forward person |
| 07:08.10 | marcm | night all |
| 07:08.44 | Bac9 | marcm: ht is oh if you don't mind it being only about 1.5 the cpu |
| 07:08.46 | nvz | Loof: bitlbee |
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| 07:08.58 | marcm | ok |
| 07:09.00 | marcm | night all |
| 07:09.09 | Bac9 | marcm: it's not like it's dual core |
| 07:09.20 | nvz | Loof: it lets you use your irc client to chat on any of those lame IM networks, and your lame contacts dont ever have to know they are in IRC :P |
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| 07:09.49 | marcm | Bac9 I know, it's like a hardware threading engine, makes it possible to use FPU at the same time with ALU and such |
| 07:10.18 | Loof | nvz: (shrugs) I'm looking for something simple and straightforward. |
| 07:10.25 | Crell42 | ha ha! |
| 07:10.30 | Bac9 | marcm: so basically no real bonus unless your app is doing both |
| 07:10.32 | Crell42 | Glorious working system..... |
| 07:10.40 | marcm | Bac9 guess so.... |
| 07:10.42 | nvz | Loof: that is simple. you install it and connect to it just like you did freenode |
| 07:10.44 | Crell42 | Took long enough. Now, to do the work I'd planned to do 5 hours ago. *sigh* |
| 07:10.46 | marcm | night Bac9 and all |
| 07:10.47 | Bac9 | marcm: and if it is the most I've seen is about 1.5 increase |
| 07:10.55 | nvz | Loof: and chat to anyone on any network just like you are chatting to me now |
| 07:11.13 | Loof | nvz: I get the idea |
| 07:11.18 | chealer | Crell42: typical for nvidia when you don't know and use well the information sources |
| 07:12.29 | nvz | Loof: personA on AIM, personB on ICQ, personC on MSN, and personD on Yahoo..etc would all appear to you in an irc channel and they would just see normal IM messages, while you see irc chatter, all you add is your IM usernames and passwords |
| 07:12.31 | Crell42 | chealer: The original problem was actually that I'd not kept up with the various rewrites of udev. |
| 07:12.33 | Loof | It's just one more layer to worry about. |
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| 07:13.04 | nvz | seems like one less thing to worry about to be |
| 07:13.07 | chealer | Crell42: what do you mean? what are udev rewrites? |
| 07:13.09 | nvz | s/be/me/ |
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| 07:13.38 | Fidget007 | I booted off of a gentoo livecd. How can I get debootstrap? Is there a location on the debian website I can download it? |
| 07:13.58 | Crell42 | chealer: Since I last played with udev, the rules files changed considerably as did the assumptions of the udev scripts. My config files hadn'tkept up. |
| 07:14.08 | Bac9 | Fidget007: why not boot of a debian install cd #1? |
| 07:14.13 | maher | Fidget007: there should be a gentoo port of debootstrap |
| 07:14.51 | chealer | Crell42: apt doesn't warn you about that? |
| 07:14.59 | Bac9 | Crell42: now you can throw your config files out the window and do everything the debian way (usually undocumented and a lot easier then the standard aproach) |
| 07:15.06 | Fidget007 | maher: that might work, not sure |
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| 07:15.17 | Crell42 | chealer: It does, but I don't bother to remerge everything every time there's an update on a config file. |
| 07:15.30 | maher | Fidget007: if its not on the cd can't you type emerge debootsrtap or something |
| 07:15.32 | Crell42 | Bac9: The Debian Way needs to be much better documented. :-) |
| 07:15.39 | Crell42 | It's quite nice when you know what the frel it is. |
| 07:15.45 | toresbe | init 6 |
| 07:15.55 | toresbe | reboot |
| 07:16.03 | chealer | toresbe: hum :) |
| 07:16.38 | Bac9 | Crell42: let's hope not at the cost of simplicity, one can always get documentation on #debian, one cannot get simplicity |
| 07:16.43 | toresbe | argh, heh, was typing blind on my server, the fb driver b0rked |
| 07:17.09 | toresbe | brbooting |
| 07:17.34 | Fidget007 | maher: the livecd doesn't have portage nor does it have the emerge tool |
| 07:18.00 | Fidget007 | Bac9: I don't want to download/burn an Debian iso. |
| 07:18.05 | Crell42 | Bac9: msg dpkg does not documentation make. |
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| 07:18.26 | Bac9 | Fidget007: debian doesn't use those (at least not comonly) |
| 07:18.26 | Crell42 | Only a tiny fraction of the Debian using population frequents this channel, and I'm sure you'd like to have to answer the same question fewer times a day. :-) |
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| 07:19.03 | Fidget007 | Bac9: the point is I don't want to burn a cdrom when I have one that is pre-existing and boots into a linux environment with wget and glibc, however lacking debootstrap |
| 07:19.04 | Bac9 | Fidget007: then download 6 boot diskettes and do a net install |
| 07:19.07 | SqueegeeMan | suppose, for the sake of argument that, in my deviant mindedness, I wished to downlaod binaries from newsgroups. Suppose also that I had tried to figure this out on my own and never could seem to get it to work. What, might you suggest, would be a good starting point for learning whatever the hell I am suppsoed to be doing |
| 07:19.11 | Crell42 | A GOOD book on "The Debian Way" would probably be a good investment for those who had the time and were good writers. |
| 07:19.14 | mwilson | Well, the *best* way is to not use udev at all, but try to convince anyone of that. |
| 07:19.20 | Crell42 | I'm a decent writer, but not well-enough versed in The Debian Way(tm). |
| 07:19.34 | Bac9 | Crell42: msg dpkg documentation make does not, but msg people documentation make |
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| 07:20.08 | chealer | Crell42: if you don't listen to apt, why should #debian listen to your whining? |
| 07:20.20 | Bac9 | SqueegeeMan: a good newsgroup reader/mail client? |
| 07:20.40 | SqueegeeMan | bac9 can you suggest one? :) |
| 07:20.40 | arango | what's the name of the program that sets the console's vga mode ? |
| 07:20.45 | Bac9 | Crell42: as you've seen with udev, that book will be outdated quite soon |
| 07:20.45 | Crell42 | What do you mean? |
| 07:21.25 | Bac9 | SqueegeeMan: just about all e-mail clients are newsgroup clients, so depends on what you like |
| 07:21.31 | Crell42 | Bac9: Well, one that focuses on sarge shortly after it goes stable should be valuable for a while at least. |
| 07:21.39 | Bac9 | arango: fbset? |
| 07:21.42 | Crell42 | Or even if it's just an online book, IRC is NOT documentation. |
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| 07:22.32 | Bac9 | Crell42: shortly after sarge goes stable it'll become obsolete for most people who still care about configuring their boxen, because the only people left using sarge would have already configured their boxen |
| 07:22.40 | obtix_ | if i log in remotely and need to dd[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~ |
| 07:22.40 | arango | Bac9: I'll try that one, thanks. I think the one I heard of has another name |
| 07:22.56 | Bac9 | Crell42: in my experiance irc is most up to date |
| 07:23.20 | Bac9 | arango: fbset is for framebuffer parameters |
| 07:23.25 | obtix_ | woah, if i log in remotely via ssh and need to gain access to a termal window i have open locacll y (ie:a aptget upgrade_) can i do it? (sorry backspace isnt working oddly enough) |
| 07:23.29 | Crell42 | Bac9: Are you saying that the "debian way" changes that frequently? If that's the case, then it's useless. Who has time to change the way they go about configuring a production system every few weeks? |
| 07:23.46 | maher | obtix: no - use screen in future |
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| 07:23.57 | arango | Bac9: Does it take the same argument as when you pass vga=<param> to the kernel ? |
| 07:24.01 | obtix_ | maher: screen? |
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| 07:24.08 | Fidget007 | Bac9: you're missing the point, I have something that boots linux, hence I should be able to jump into a netboot session, hence I want debootstrap to build my base system onto a mount point (aka /dev/hda3) |
| 07:24.18 | Bac9 | Crell42: I am saying that things that stagnate stop being the bleeding edge and stop being interesting to most users |
| 07:24.27 | maher | obtix_: its a program to let you do that |
| 07:24.56 | Bac9 | arango: nope, but similar and only for framebuffer, fi you don't use framebuffer then forget about it |
| 07:25.06 | Crell42 | Bac9: "most users" just want something that works. |
| 07:25.16 | Crell42 | Most #Debian users, that's a different group of people. :-) |
| 07:25.19 | Xsquared | hi, im trying to get coppermine gallery installed on my webserver. It seems to be getting stuck at the installation screen. Do i have to change any global settings so that php scripts are able to be run on my server? It doesn't want to execute any commands. |
| 07:25.46 | arango | Bac9: how to you tell Linux to use framebuffer ? |
| 07:25.56 | Bac9 | Fidget007: linux == kernel, debian/linux == OS, knopix/linux == OS, debian/linux != knopix/linux |
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| 07:26.12 | chealer | Xsquared: you mean any script? |
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| 07:26.22 | Fidget007 | Bac9: I'm going to stop talking to you before someone mistakes me for the moron |
| 07:26.35 | Bac9 | Crell42: if they want something that works download a knopix live cd and use that, it's static and it's preconfigured |
| 07:26.37 | Xsquared | chealer: yeah |
| 07:26.49 | chealer | Xsquared: what's your webserver? |
| 07:26.57 | Xsquared | chealer: apache |
| 07:27.00 | Bac9 | arango: via a module for your card that you load (and for 2.6.x fbcon) |
| 07:27.02 | chealer | 1, 2? |
| 07:27.05 | Crell42 | Is that a hint of elitism I smell on your breath, Bac9? -) |
| 07:27.09 | Xsquared | chealer: apache1 |
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| 07:27.13 | Xsquared | chealer: in sarge |
| 07:27.21 | chealer | Xsquared: do you have libapache-mod-php4? |
| 07:27.34 | Bac9 | Fidget007: ok, have a nice day |
| 07:27.45 | Xsquared | chealer: libapache-mod-php4 is already the newest version. |
| 07:27.56 | arango | Bac9: thnks |
| 07:28.08 | chealer | Xsquared: and your scripts have the right permission? |
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| 07:28.24 | Xsquared | chealer: all the scripts are chmodded to 777 |
| 07:29.16 | chealer | Xsquared: what happens when you try to access a PHP file in a browser? |
| 07:29.30 | Xsquared | chealer: its displayed |
| 07:29.52 | Bac9 | Crell42: nope, realism... when documentation comes out in dead tree form it cannot keep up to the ever changing computer environment, if users want a stable computer environment they should get some preconfigured snapshot e.g. knoppix cd and stick with it... or at least that's my experiance |
| 07:30.13 | Bac9 | Crell42: if you want elitisism then talk to mwilson |
| 07:30.17 | Crell42 | hehehe. |
| 07:30.49 | chealer | Xsquared: you may need something like AddType application/x-httpd-php .php in apache.conf but I'm on apache 2 so not sure |
| 07:31.20 | Crell42 | The software evolves rapidly, yes. But things like make-kpkg are reasonably stable. And the way in which one goes about "Debianizing" a program is, I hope, reasonably constant. I'd be very worried for Debian's future if they weren't. |
| 07:31.43 | chealer | !php |
| 07:31.43 | dpkg | php is, like, not asp. Can't get php to work? Remember that php3 looks for the extension .php3 ! .php is for php4 To change this, edit the mime type in http.conf. Get php3-mysql if you want mysql support too, or oh, and make sure to uncomment the php module from http.conf !!, or for php4, make sure this line is in httpd.conf: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so, or remember, there are quite a few debian users in #php |
| 07:31.44 | Xsquared | chealer: but that should already be there right? |
| 07:31.47 | Bac9 | Xsquared: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php3 .php4 |
| 07:31.53 | chealer | Xsquared: mine is commented |
| 07:31.56 | Bac9 | Xsquared: AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps |
| 07:32.06 | Xsquared | ok, thanks, i'll have a look |
| 07:32.20 | chealer | .php4...never seen that yet |
| 07:32.28 | Crell42 | Nor I. |
| 07:32.51 | Bac9 | Crell42: that's why make-kpkg comes with a readme with 9 easy steps to make a kernel, (9 lines and the rest not really nessesary to read) |
| 07:33.05 | Xsquared | chealer, Bac9: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 07:33.34 | Bac9 | Xsquared: correct |
| 07:33.49 | Xsquared | Bac9: then i already have it. |
| 07:34.00 | Bac9 | and then the other two |
| 07:34.04 | Xsquared | Bac9: grahh! this is really annoying. |
| 07:34.21 | Bac9 | Xsquared: to make it know that those are php files |
| 07:34.49 | Xsquared | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.50 | Xsquared | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.53 | Bac9 | Xsquared: also adding index.php to DirectoryIndex might help |
| 07:34.56 | Xsquared | they are both uncommented |
| 07:35.02 | Xsquared | thats already there too |
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| 07:36.02 | chealer | Crell42: what kind of stability do you expect from software at major version 0? |
| 07:36.41 | Bac9 | Xsquared: sorry I missed what your original question was |
| 07:37.00 | Xsquared | hi, im trying to get coppermine gallery installed on my webserver. It seems to be getting stuck at the installation screen. Do i have to change any global settings so that php scripts are able to be run on my server? It doesn't want to execute any commands. |
| 07:37.27 | Bac9 | Xsquared: in that case I do not know |
| 07:37.38 | Xsquared | i havn't tried any other scripts though, cause i just reinstalled my computer due to a harddrive crash |
| 07:37.40 | Bac9 | Xsquared: but usually the answer to your question is "no" |
| 07:37.49 | Xsquared | ;_; |
| 07:38.11 | Xsquared | i know... maybe a apt-get install php4 --reinstall might work |
| 07:38.12 | chealer | Xsquared: anything in apache logs? |
| 07:38.23 | chealer | Xsquared: php4 is a metapackage |
| 07:38.33 | Xsquared | chealer: havn't checked, i'll do that now |
| 07:39.12 | chealer | !php =~ s/http.conf/httpd.conf/ |
| 07:39.12 | dpkg | OK, chealer |
| 07:39.28 | chealer | !php |
| 07:39.28 | dpkg | hmm... php is not asp. Can't get php to work? Remember that php3 looks for the extension .php3 ! .php is for php4 To change this, edit the mime type in httpd.conf. Get php3-mysql if you want mysql support too, or oh, and make sure to uncomment the php module from http.conf !!, or for php4, make sure this line is in httpd.conf: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so, or remember, there are quite a few debian users in #php |
| 07:39.36 | chealer | !php =~ s/http.conf/httpd.conf/ |
| 07:39.36 | dpkg | chealer: OK |
| 07:39.39 | chealer | !php |
| 07:39.39 | dpkg | methinks php is not asp. Can't get php to work? Remember that php3 looks for the extension .php3 ! .php is for php4 To change this, edit the mime type in httpd.conf. Get php3-mysql if you want mysql support too, or oh, and make sure to uncomment the php module from httpd.conf !!, or for php4, make sure this line is in httpd.conf: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so, or remember, there are quite a few debian users in #php |
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| 07:40.49 | Halahad | !mysql |
| 07:40.50 | dpkg | A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas> |
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| 07:41.46 | michal_ | hi. is kernel-package currently broken in sid? |
| 07:42.03 | decklin | michal_: no, but it was yesterday |
| 07:42.41 | decklin | #294751. |
| 07:42.43 | michal_ | k.. thanks.. maybe i need another update |
| 07:43.07 | michal_ | yep |
| 07:43.08 | michal_ | that's the one |
| 07:43.33 | bratner | if i forward port 80 on my firewall to dmz-www apache server. should i see in the server logs that connections come from the firewall's IP or from the original client's IP? |
| 07:43.42 | chealer | michal_: are you using sid but not the BTS? |
| 07:44.13 | Bac9 | bratner: if the original is masq'd then firewall, if not then original |
| 07:44.15 | michal_ | no.. but it would be nice if there was a commandline interface to the bts.. or maybe there is? |
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| 07:44.49 | chealer | reportbug is, I don't know how suitable for checking bugs though |
| 07:44.51 | bratner | Bac9: the internet interface of the firewall is -j MAQUERADEed |
| 07:45.11 | bratner | Bac9: is that the meaning of "masq'd" ? |
| 07:45.33 | michal_ | would be nice if there was something like "deb-bts package-name" and it spit out text of the current severe bugs.. or something similar |
| 07:45.36 | Bac9 | bratner: masq'd out or in? |
| 07:46.31 | decklin | michal_: look in apt-listbugs. you can probably use it outside of apt. |
| 07:46.37 | Bac9 | bratner: if ip of client is changed before it gets to server (masq'd) then the server will the the masq'd ip, if not then it'll see the client's ip |
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| 07:46.51 | Bac9 | michal_: apt-bugs? |
| 07:46.53 | michal_ | hmm.. is that like apt-listchanges? |
| 07:47.08 | Bac9 | michal_: yep, only for bugs during install |
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| 07:47.27 | michal_ | cool.. sounds perfect |
| 07:47.40 | Bac9 | michal_: darn that's not the right name for it |
| 07:48.03 | Bac9 | michal_: apt-listbugs |
| 07:48.04 | bratner | Bac9: i see that the script is just "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE" is that bad? |
| 07:48.39 | Bac9 | bratner: no need to masq ever packet |
| 07:48.44 | Bac9 | bratner: no need to masq every packet |
| 07:49.00 | Bac9 | bratner: but in your case it should see the masq'd ip |
| 07:49.08 | bratner | Bac9: should i add " -i $inet_iface" there? |
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| 07:50.12 | Bac9 | bratner: -i will not work, -o will, if you want to use -i then add a mark to it in INPUT or FORWARD and then masq by mark |
| 07:50.19 | burtonator | is there any way to get libc6-i686 2.3.4 for debian? or should I just build for source... |
| 07:50.30 | burtonator | apparently this package fixes a big threading issue in Java ... |
| 07:50.49 | streuner | burtonator: what version of debian do you have? |
| 07:51.00 | bratner | Bac9: thanx i think i got that, do you happen to know where i can find more RTFM on this issue? |
| 07:51.19 | Bac9 | bratner: on iptables? man iptables |
| 07:51.27 | burtonator | streuner: 3.0r4 |
| 07:51.35 | burtonator | unstable only has 2.3.2 |
| 07:51.45 | Bac9 | bratner: great reference, real poor documentation for newbs |
| 07:52.02 | bratner | Bac9: unfortuanatly i am one. |
| 07:52.30 | bratner | Bac9: i need to know when and where packets get fields changed |
| 07:52.32 | Bac9 | bratner: then it'll take you a few times reading over it before you understand it all |
| 07:52.33 | streuner | burtonator: upgrade to sarge, it should solve that problem |
| 07:52.54 | Bac9 | bratner: any changes are via mangle table |
| 07:53.13 | burtonator | streuner: I'll take a look... thanks |
| 07:53.24 | Bac9 | bratner: or nat table for nat |
| 07:54.01 | Bac9 | bratner: the filter table is for matching/rejecting/accepting |
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| 07:55.10 | toresbe | is there a netinstall image for my USB key? |
| 07:55.43 | burtonator | streuner: both sarge and sid only have libc6 2.3.2 |
| 07:56.22 | burtonator | I can build libc6 I guess... but its a hell of an undertaking! |
| 07:56.25 | bratner | Bac9: thanx , this solved my port forwarding problems. i just added "-o $inet_iface" to the masq. rule |
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| 08:03.21 | bdole | hello everyone |
| 08:03.34 | toresbe | bdole: s/o/a? :P |
| 08:03.45 | bdole | :) |
| 08:03.55 | sussudio | ugh... not you again. |
| 08:03.57 | peterS | toresbe: no, he's a well-known former American politician named Bob Dole |
| 08:04.00 | bdole | suss lol |
| 08:04.10 | bdole | sussudio: was i that bad yesterday? |
| 08:04.16 | sussudio | peterS: no, he's a cluebie |
| 08:04.20 | toresbe | peterS: oh, okay. :P |
| 08:04.32 | toresbe | sussudio: and Dole isn't? :P |
| 08:04.43 | bdole | cluebie? |
| 08:04.49 | chealer | !cluebie |
| 08:04.49 | dpkg | from memory, cluebie is a person who doesn't think he needs to be educated, |
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| 08:05.01 | bdole | sweet |
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| 08:05.25 | bdole | althought i dont think thats correct for me... i always enjoy being educated |
| 08:05.31 | toresbe | !cluebie is also one who knows not and knows not that he knows not |
| 08:05.31 | dpkg | toresbe: okay |
| 08:05.45 | toresbe | !cluebie |
| 08:05.45 | dpkg | [cluebie] a person who doesn't think he needs to be educated, one who knows not and knows not that he knows not |
| 08:06.43 | bdole | once a person thinks he doesnt have any thing left to learn... he really hasnt learned anything at all |
| 08:07.20 | bdole | so sussudio... can you enlighten me on a few questions? |
| 08:08.04 | decklin | !tell bdole about ask |
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| 08:09.22 | bdole | decklin thanks |
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| 08:12.16 | bdole | ive downloaded the driver for my nic and installed the .deb package... it created a modules directory in /usr/src. It is my understanding that i must now use make-kpkg from a root kernel source directory and another .deb file will be created with the newly compiled kernel and the added source for my nic.. ? is this true? and more importantly, what is the correct parameters for make-kpkg. I read the man pages for make-kpkg and im not qu |
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| 08:13.42 | bdole | the install instructions for the NIC say that i should use the --add_patches parameter and use bcm4400 as the option... is this the only option i need? so the command would be make-kpkg --add_patches=bcm4400 |
| 08:16.00 | bdole | if anyone needs more specifics i can give them |
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| 08:19.46 | stazich | hi, i have a standard debian distribution on my iMac that i installed recently... i am thinking it is now a good idea to recompile the kernel on it.. does anyone know of any good manual to do this?? |
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| 08:20.08 | Xsquared | i know my problem, what is the default database management name Postsql or something? |
| 08:20.18 | Bac9 | stazich: apt-get install kernel-package; read it's readme file |
| 08:20.28 | bdole | so no one has any more information on make-kpkg? |
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| 08:21.45 | stazich | it told me : Couldnt find oackage kernel... does it mean i am missing it on my system and should download it? or is there a repositary i have to look for on hd? |
| 08:21.48 | chealer | Xsquared: postgresql, if that's default |
| 08:22.02 | Xsquared | chealer: thanks, i couldn't find that anywhere |
| 08:22.15 | chealer | Xsquared: by default you don't mean the default PHP DB? |
| 08:22.23 | Xsquared | yes |
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| 08:22.31 | Xsquared | i can't use my sql |
| 08:22.42 | Bac9 | bdole: read its readme file, it's quite explicit |
| 08:22.46 | chealer | then I'm wrong...can't remember ATM |
| 08:22.58 | Xsquared | look at what phpbb2 gave me as an error message..: The PHP configuration on your server doesn't support the database type that you chose |
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| 08:24.14 | jetscreamer | wtf supplies nfs-utils, i'm reading an old how-to? |
| 08:24.39 | jetscreamer | one at a time, don't everybody type at once... |
| 08:24.58 | chealer | Xsquared: it's sqlite |
| 08:25.14 | bdole | bac9: are you referring to the readme in bcm440*.deb ? or the man pages for make-kpkg |
| 08:25.26 | Xsquared | chealer: what is? |
| 08:25.26 | chealer | Xsquared: what did you choose? |
| 08:25.33 | Bac9 | Xsquared: did you install php-<dbname> module do php can actually access that db directly? |
| 08:25.40 | Xsquared | chealer: mysql3 |
| 08:25.42 | chealer | Xsquared: it's the DB that ships with php5 |
| 08:25.54 | chealer | Xsquared: probably not what you where looking for neither |
| 08:26.09 | Xsquared | im using sarge |
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| 08:26.17 | chealer | Xsquared: ^^Bac9 |
| 08:26.18 | Xsquared | i want to install mysql |
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| 08:26.35 | Xsquared | ohh, really |
| 08:26.39 | Xsquared | i didn't know that |
| 08:26.44 | Bac9 | bdole: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz 2 screenfulls down 6 steps to bliss |
| 08:26.54 | Xsquared | i still want to stick to mysql though |
| 08:27.41 | chealer | Xsquared: just use php4-mysql. it's only a php module |
| 08:28.09 | Xsquared | chealer: it is installed |
| 08:28.09 | Xsquared | chealer: how do i make the webserver use mysql instead of the other one |
| 08:28.40 | chealer | Xsquared: do you have extension=mysql.so commented in php.ini? |
| 08:28.54 | Xsquared | chealer: php.ini? |
| 08:29.03 | Xsquared | chealer: isn't .ini windoze? |
| 08:29.05 | llama32 | anyone know of a good little example irc client [preferably in c]? |
| 08:29.12 | chealer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.27 | common | llama32: little != good |
| 08:29.49 | common | you need various abstraction levels to handle flood controll and stuff |
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| 08:30.09 | fusion | Hm.. what is the dsp device for debian? |
| 08:30.23 | common | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.31 | decklin | /dev/special-super-sekrit-debian-dsp |
| 08:30.32 | fusion | do I symlink that to something? |
| 08:30.34 | llama32 | i dont want to make a full irc client, just a base to make a little bot |
| 08:30.37 | fusion | it doesnt exist on mine |
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| 08:31.01 | decklin | llama32: if you like perl, POE::Component::Client::IRC |
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| 08:31.40 | common | fusion: so install a soundcard? |
| 08:31.48 | fusion | I have a soundcard |
| 08:31.54 | fusion | I just need to know for vmware |
| 08:31.59 | fusion | sound is working fine in linux |
| 08:32.05 | cahoot | fusion: alsa? devfsd? udev? |
| 08:32.06 | senin | Does anyone know why the following error is happening while building debian kernel: "make: *** No rule to make target 'conf.vars', needed by 'stamp-configure'. Stop." |
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| 08:32.11 | fusion | alsa |
| 08:32.19 | common | llama32: multi or single server? |
| 08:32.25 | decklin | senin: did you check the BTS? |
| 08:32.38 | llama32 | this might sound like a dumb question, but how do i set up a sound card in linux? |
| 08:32.41 | senin | sorry what is BTS? |
| 08:32.49 | chealer | !bts |
| 08:32.49 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 08:33.02 | decklin | emphasis on "shot on sight" |
| 08:33.03 | llama32 | common: explain... [i dont know much about irc] |
| 08:33.07 | common | llama32: installing the correct alsa drivers |
| 08:33.24 | decklin | senin: anyway, if you had, you would see that that's already been fixed. |
| 08:33.34 | common | shall the client be able to join freenode and quakenet on the same time? |
| 08:33.44 | common | multiple server per instance |
| 08:33.59 | chugga | is there a deb for ms-fonts / |
| 08:34.05 | common | you want to use threading or non blocking io? |
| 08:34.14 | chealer | !info msttcorefonts |
| 08:34.16 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 08:34.25 | common | !info non blocking |
| 08:34.25 | senin | well i just downloaded all packages today so was it like fixed but not yet released |
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| 08:35.04 | common | non blocking sockets are really lovely, non blocking ssl sockets just turn me on |
| 08:35.19 | chugga | chealer, do i need to configure them once installed or will my programs pick them up automatically |
| 08:35.43 | chealer | chugga: sorry, no idea, fonts are a 4th dimension to me |
| 08:35.53 | chugga | chealer, Ah. no prob, same here :) |
| 08:35.59 | chealer | well a 5th even |
| 08:36.19 | common | fonts are a pain on linux |
| 08:36.38 | toresbe | common: not really |
| 08:36.56 | chugga | common, true. but then again lots of other things are too |
| 08:37.16 | toresbe | GNOME needs a font manager |
| 08:37.17 | common | toresbe your point of view, maybe you simply like the pain |
| 08:37.24 | toresbe | common: *rr* |
| 08:37.26 | toresbe | common: :P |
| 08:37.28 | cahoot | toresbe: speaking of display or printed output or both? |
| 08:37.39 | toresbe | cahoot: both |
| 08:37.45 | common | printing is a pain too |
| 08:37.53 | toresbe | cahoot: I get the msttcorefonts and smile |
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| 08:38.56 | chugga | heh, this is incredible. the msttcorefonts package is telling me if im not gonna use the TT fonts for X then i dont need to configure anything further. Lucky me! |
| 08:38.56 | common | nick mercedes500sl |
| 08:39.26 | Xsquared | chealer: IT WORKS!!! thanks mate |
| 08:40.04 | chealer | Xsquared: nice. I give you the official LAMP novice badge now that you have gone through the two holy setup steps |
| 08:40.23 | chealer | s/steps/issues |
| 08:41.12 | chugga | what is LAMP |
| 08:41.18 | chealer | !lamp |
| 08:41.18 | dpkg | well, lamp is the Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/, or an acronym for "Linux, Apache, MySQL, (Perl,Python,PHP)". Lesbian Asian Midget Pr0n |
| 08:41.26 | chealer | ^^very bad factoid |
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| 08:41.46 | chealer | usually it's Linux Apache MySQL PHP |
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| 08:41.57 | Xsquared | ohh, i thought it was Lesbian Asian Midget Pr0n |
| 08:42.02 | chealer | obviously a Perl guy wrote that :) |
| 08:42.04 | Xsquared | lol |
| 08:42.59 | peterS | I bet python people look down on PHP just as much as perl people do |
| 08:43.23 | chealer | no, lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 08:43.30 | chugga | and python ppl look down on perl people |
| 08:43.41 | chealer | !no, lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 08:43.44 | chugga | but then again everyone looks down on perl :P |
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| 08:44.42 | echogen | Hi all |
| 08:44.55 | echogen | can i use iptables to block a certain website on my computer ? |
| 08:45.15 | common | yes |
| 08:45.19 | sussudio | echogen: or edit your hostfile |
| 08:45.43 | common | dig www.homegape.org and add her ip to your bocklist |
| 08:46.01 | echogen | i want to use iptables |
| 08:46.12 | chugga | sussudio, i dont think that works. |
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| 08:46.43 | echogen | but what i am not understanding is that: is'nt iptables for masqueraded connections ? can i use it on the computer i am running iptables on ? |
| 08:46.52 | sussudio | chugga: shows how much you know then :-| |
| 08:47.05 | chugga | sussudio, shows how little you know as well |
| 08:47.34 | sussudio | chugga: fuck off cluebie. ktnx. |
| 08:48.10 | bdole | while running insmod ./bcm4400.o i receive an error message saying "you are trying to load a module without a GPL compatible license and it has unresolved symbols." anyone know what this is? |
| 08:48.37 | sussudio | ... |
| 08:49.13 | peterS | bdole: don't use insmod, use modprobe, and put bcm4400 in your module path somewhere, probably via an install command of some sort |
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| 08:49.52 | ugexe | i have alsa installed successfully, however when I am say playing a mp3 no other sounds can be heard anymore. what do i need to setup |
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| 08:50.15 | chugga | sussudio, so go on, describe how you'd use "edit the hosts file" to achieve what he wants |
| 08:50.18 | bdole | peterS: modprobe returns the same issue |
| 08:50.32 | Penix | ugexe: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 08:51.19 | chealer | Penix: it's the mixer? |
| 08:51.24 | ugexe | Penix: dpkg has no mention of what my problem is, only with the inital audio install |
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| 08:51.44 | Penix | ugexe: Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. |
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| 08:52.08 | cahoot | ugexe: chances are your card only handles one output - probably need dmix or a soundserver |
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| 08:52.31 | Penix | ugexe: oh. sorry. my mistake |
| 08:52.41 | Penix | ugexe: misread your question |
| 08:53.23 | Xptic | hi all. I'm trying to set up a LAMP server on Unstable. I installed mysql-server apache apache-perl with no problems. When I tried to install php4, I get errors about unmet dependencies. Anyone know why? |
| 08:53.38 | MrEd | Hi. Got a problem with printing from galeon & firebird. The text comes out about ten times too big... |
| 08:53.46 | chealer | Xptic: which unmet dependencies? |
| 08:53.56 | MrEd | Every other program prints ok. Has anybody seen this? |
| 08:54.04 | chealer | MrEd: I hope you mean firefox, right? :) |
| 08:54.15 | MrEd | beg your pardon yes firefox |
| 08:54.18 | ardy | I've read the docs and I'm still unable to connect to my ipaq using synce... The kernel recognizes the ipaq but thats it.. when I try and connect with synce-serial-start my ipaq fails to connect to it |
| 08:54.25 | bdole | peterS: I tried modprobe and got the same error... how do i edit my module path you are referring to |
| 08:54.29 | Xptic | "php4: Depends: libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-4) but it is not going to be installed" and a few others like that |
| 08:54.52 | chealer | !info libapache-mod-php4 sid |
| 08:54.55 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1605 kB, Installed size: 3183 kB |
| 08:55.00 | bdole | xptic: i think it means you need those files |
| 08:55.07 | chealer | Xptic: what arch? |
| 08:55.16 | Xptic | i386 |
| 08:55.25 | Xptic | pentium3 specifically |
| 08:55.34 | luctor | I just got a windows diskett in my hands ! how do I mount it ? could not determine the file type with auto in fstab |
| 08:55.48 | peterS | bdole: possibly you have to rerun 'depmod -a' after putting bcm4400 in /lib/modules/somewhere |
| 08:55.57 | MrEd | mount /dev/fdo /mnt -t vfat |
| 08:56.00 | chealer | Xptic: I'm starting to wonder if there's not a bug in sid dependencies. can you go package by package? |
| 08:56.09 | Xptic | hold on |
| 08:57.01 | bdole | peterS: if there isnt a quick answer i wont keep troubling you... i run depmod -a and i get the same error about: Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.20/net/bcm4400.o |
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| 08:57.20 | Xptic | actually, it does look like I can go package by package |
| 08:57.44 | peterS | bdole: then you'll have to investigate what those symbols are and where you'd expect to find them and why they are not, in fact, there |
| 08:58.11 | luctor | MrEd: only root can do that |
| 08:58.32 | bdole | im amazed at the complexity to install a network card... im going on 3 days, 3 books, and about 18 websites to get a single NIC up... amazing |
| 08:58.53 | luctor | MrEd: thats not normal is it ? |
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| 08:59.08 | MrEd | luctor: Yes I think that is normal |
| 08:59.11 | Xptic | alright, i just installed the deps manually and I still get the same errors |
| 08:59.24 | MrEd | luctor: Don't know if you can do it without root |
| 08:59.59 | luctor | MrEd: ok, so normal user cant use the floppy in linux ? or just when u mess with the -t option ? |
| 09:00.00 | peterS | bdole: buy something whose vendor supports Linux better next time (: |
| 09:00.00 | Xptic | basicly, it wants me to install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 09:00.15 | Xptic | even though I don't have apache2 |
| 09:00.26 | bdole | peterS: i guess... its Asus.. thought they were a fairly decent motherboard manufacturer |
| 09:00.34 | MrEd | luctor: You just can't specify mount options as far as I know |
| 09:00.35 | Xptic | maybe i'll downgrade to testing or unstable |
| 09:00.51 | peterS | bdole: yeah, well. broadcom network chips were rather slow to be properly supported by linux kernels |
| 09:00.56 | MrEd | luctor: Are you sure the floppy is intact? |
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| 09:01.12 | MrEd | luctor: usually auto should work |
| 09:01.20 | luctor | MrEd: no, I just got it |
| 09:01.24 | bdole | peterS: they provided a linux driver on the asus website but its source... and ive learned that source has to be recompiled with the kernel.. or something along those lines.. novice response, sorry |
| 09:01.29 | luctor | MrEd: /dev/fd0 already mounted or /floppy/ busy |
| 09:01.47 | peterS | bdole: right, kernel modules are like that. you can't count on being able to use a module that wasn't compiled for the specific kernel you're running |
| 09:01.58 | chealer | Xptic: it looks like php4 is not installable in sid right now because libapache-mod-php4 4.3.10-4 build failed. http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=php4&ver=4%3A4.3.10-4&arch=i386&stamp=1107999252&file=log&as=raw |
| 09:02.09 | chealer | on i386 at least |
| 09:02.13 | bdole | peterS: so to save the past 3 days i would have been better served to go buy a 3com? |
| 09:02.35 | MrEd | luctor: if you type mount does it list /dev/fd0 |
| 09:02.36 | peterS | bdole: even a realtek 8139, $9 or so, would have worked right out of the box (: |
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| 09:02.53 | cat | i got a question how can i put my own ip address on ifconfig? |
| 09:03.01 | peterS | cat: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:03.05 | peterS | cat: 'man 5 interfaces' |
| 09:03.20 | bdole | peterS: guess i will do that tomorrow... trying to learn the power of debian but spending the majority of my time learning the power of kernel recompiles |
| 09:03.27 | luctor | MrEd: no |
| 09:03.43 | peterS | bdole: I'm guessing you've got a mismatch between your running kernel and the kernel the module was compiled for. yes, these things can be pretty confusing. |
| 09:04.05 | cat | im getting this ip address |
| 09:04.07 | cat | addr:192.168.0.101 |
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| 09:04.23 | cat | i want to put this ip address 66.176.127.187 |
| 09:04.25 | cat | how can i do it? |
| 09:04.42 | bdole | peterS: im not a programmer... thats the main problem. but im a network and systems administrator so i understand whats happening |
| 09:04.48 | streuner__ | cat: for DHCP |
| 09:04.52 | MrEd | luctor: sory have to go. Goodluck |
| 09:04.54 | streuner__ | cat: ? |
| 09:04.58 | cat | yes |
| 09:05.02 | chealer | Xptic: AH! now I understand! you can only get latest php4 with caudium |
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| 09:05.19 | drp | how can you check how much space is left on a certain drive |
| 09:05.27 | luctor | MrEd: give up !!!!' |
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| 09:05.36 | streuner__ | cat: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
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| 09:05.48 | peterS | bdole: you should know that, while a Realtek 8139-based card is super cheap and works fine, it won't be as efficient as say a 3com. so if you *really* need all 100 Mbit/s without using any of your CPU power to talk to it, you might want to spend the $50-100 on a 3com or Intel instead |
| 09:05.58 | chealer | Xptic: hum this doesn't seem true neither. it looks like it's not installable |
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| 09:06.05 | peterS | bdole: I don't need that kind of bandwidth, so my motherboard's built-in 8139 chip is fine for me |
| 09:06.16 | ugexe | hmm im not understanding what dmix is exactly i guess. do i chose it instead of intel8x0 or whatever? |
| 09:06.20 | cat | the thing it shows my router ip streuner__ |
| 09:06.21 | streuner__ | cat: do you have an static IP? |
| 09:06.22 | cat | that's why |
| 09:06.27 | cat | streuner__: yes i do, |
| 09:06.29 | bdole | peterS: i only have 3Mb down anyway so i wont worry about it |
| 09:06.38 | peterS | bdole: right |
| 09:06.50 | cat | well i'm getting it soon streuner__ when i move like 2 weeks, more |
| 09:06.55 | Resonant | I am having trouble compiling the NVidia drivers on my system, and therefore I am running at 800x600...I have both the 2.4.27 kernel and (thanks to a much more skilled friend) the 2.6.10 kernel installed...neither of which will allow me to build the driver correctly. It has unresolved symbols in the .o files (which I assume means I need a library of some sort?) |
| 09:07.03 | bdole | peterS: X has also crashed on me and i checked the logs... tells me "no screens found" so im guessing that is a driver issue |
| 09:07.12 | henrik_ | Where do I find a good IRC-channel about Linux audio recording? I can't get Jack to work with my ALSA-drivers. |
| 09:07.15 | peterS | bdole: in that case, yeah, the cheapest cards (based on Realtek 8139 or Linksys LNE100TX) ought to be just fine |
| 09:07.23 | common | Resonant: kernel drivers dont need external libs |
| 09:07.42 | common | Resonant: updated gcc? |
| 09:07.45 | cahoot | henrik_: try #lad |
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| 09:07.47 | Resonant | common: then what could be causing unresolved symbols on that file? |
| 09:07.51 | cat | any ideas streuner__ ? |
| 09:07.56 | common | Resonant: which file? |
| 09:08.00 | Resonant | common: I would believe so, apt-get updates should resolve it |
| 09:08.02 | chealer | Resonant: how come you're not using 2.6.8? |
| 09:08.04 | cat | i want to put this ip address 66.176.127.187 streuner__ |
| 09:08.05 | bdole | peterS: is that an accurate assumption on my part? |
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| 09:08.21 | Resonant | chealer: because 2.6.10 was the most recent we saw, and therefore that was the one we got |
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| 09:08.52 | peterS | bdole: 'no screens found' is a generic error that means something went wrong. possibly a driver issue, possibly a config issue. read /var/log/XFree86.0.log all the way through (specifically the (EE) and (WW) lines) to see what really happened |
| 09:08.58 | streuner__ | cat: read the factoid of interfaces and the docs about interfaces |
| 09:09.02 | chealer | Resonant: yeah, but then you're using sid. and a kernel released after the latest nvidia driver |
| 09:09.07 | cat | streuner__: ?? |
| 09:09.26 | cat | so there's no way to changed an ip addresS? |
| 09:09.30 | oskyldig | could any english help me with an english phrase ? I'm not a native speaker an don't know the right article |
| 09:09.32 | Resonant | chealer: I tried compiling the nvidia drivers on my 2.4.27 kernel as well, and they still failed |
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| 09:09.59 | chealer | Resonant: same error? |
| 09:10.19 | common | Resonant: they installer writes a logfile |
| 09:10.22 | Resonant | different error, and ironically one that looked a little wierd...I wish I wrote it down, but it had something to do with a .ko file |
| 09:10.25 | common | paste it somewhere |
| 09:10.28 | Resonant | which I am unaware there are |
| 09:10.43 | streuner__ | cat: if you wanna using a static IP DHCP isn't that what you need then |
| 09:10.44 | Resonant | let me see if I can find the logfile |
| 09:10.55 | cat | is not a static ip streuner__ |
| 09:10.57 | oskyldig | ok then I don't ask to ask :) |
| 09:11.03 | common | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.16 | streuner__ | cat: 66.x.x.x seems to me a static IP |
| 09:11.19 | cat | i'm getting this error |
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| 09:11.21 | cat | ifconfig netmask addr 66.176.127.187 |
| 09:11.24 | cat | is not. |
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| 09:11.38 | oskyldig | "This was verified for me in a course in game theory ..." is in correct or should it be of or anything else ? |
| 09:11.55 | peterS | "a course in game theory" sounds fine |
| 09:12.19 | oskyldig | ok thanks |
| 09:12.30 | oskyldig | is verified fo me correct btw ? |
| 09:12.33 | oskyldig | r |
| 09:12.39 | streuner__ | cat: show us your interfaces file in #flood |
| 09:12.40 | peterS | hmmmm |
| 09:12.46 | cat | streuner__: ok |
| 09:12.54 | Resonant | wow, now I feel stupid |
| 09:13.03 | henrik_ | Ok. So is anyone here using the Jack Audio Connection Kit? |
| 09:13.12 | chealer | common: nvidia-installer.log must be for nvidia-installer |
| 09:13.18 | bdole | peterS: (II)NV: driver for blah blah / (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 / (EE) No devices detected.... so im guessing its a driver issue because in the driver line it doesnt list my Geforce4... it only lists Geforce3 and lower |
| 09:13.21 | cat | done streuner__ |
| 09:13.21 | peterS | oskyldig: maybe "I saw this verified in a course..." or "we verified this in a course..." |
| 09:13.31 | Resonant | thanks for the link common...the error is "./usr/src/nv/nvidia.ko couldn't find the kernel version the module was compiled for" <-- this is when I compiled for 2.4.27 |
| 09:13.57 | Resonant | I was booted into the 2.4.27 kernel, though |
| 09:13.58 | peterS | bdole: this in debian stable? correct, the stable version of XFree86 doesn't support anything newer than GeForce 3 |
| 09:14.03 | streuner__ | cat: what's with eth0, doesn't it exist? |
| 09:14.14 | cat | streuner__: ?? |
| 09:14.16 | oskyldig | peterS, well the problem is that I refer to teamwork and its importance, so I can't say I verified it. it's more passive |
| 09:14.20 | cat | not sure streuner__ |
| 09:14.27 | chealer | Resonant: are you using the nvidia-installer? |
| 09:14.28 | henrik_ | I would really need some help. I'm supposed to record this afternoon and I can't make it work... :( |
| 09:14.34 | Resonant | chealer: tried to |
| 09:14.35 | cat | that's what i have |
| 09:14.36 | bdole | peterS: ummm its debian 3.0r4 |
| 09:14.40 | cahoot | henrik_: tried #lad ? |
| 09:14.56 | peterS | oskyldig: well, "we verified this" or "I saw somebody verify this" maybe |
| 09:14.59 | bdole | peterS: and my video card is a Geforce4... so its unsupported? |
| 09:14.59 | henrik_ | cahoot: Yes. There was noone there. |
| 09:15.00 | Resonant | I have tried both the nvidia version of the installer, and the debian version (i forget the name of the guy, rdonald?) |
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| 09:15.15 | oskyldig | peterS, hmm ok maybe that works. thanks a bunch |
| 09:15.15 | chealer | Resonant: that's probably why you have the nvidia-installer.log file then. may not be relevant for your current problem |
| 09:15.19 | peterS | bdole: correct. either upgrade to debian sarge (3.1, not yet released), or find a backport of XFree86 4.2 or newer |
| 09:15.22 | chugga | !mplayer |
| 09:15.22 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see 'marillat' or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 09:15.29 | cahoot | henrik_: the link I have seems to be down atm |
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| 09:15.39 | luctor | MrEd: fixed it :-) |
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| 09:16.05 | henrik_ | cahoot: No, I could join the channel, and there was a bunch of people there, but they were not chatting. |
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| 09:16.27 | Resonant | hrm, how to get this working |
| 09:16.40 | cahoot | henrik_: yes - but I have a link to a howto - the site seems not accessible atm |
| 09:16.48 | henrik_ | oskyldig: Vad heter den svenska debian-kanalen nu igen, min engelska suger! |
| 09:17.04 | cahoot | debian.se |
| 09:17.04 | chealer | Resonant: I suggest that you go back to 2.6.8, clean nvidia-installer's mess, then use the debian way |
| 09:17.25 | cat | streuner__: that's what i have |
| 09:17.32 | Resonant | going back to 2.6.8 means that I have to recompile the kernel myself, which I am not familiar with doing |
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| 09:17.38 | henrik_ | Well, I've read it, but it didn't make much sense, I'm not I high tech user with good english. |
| 09:17.44 | streuner__ | cat: it looks ok to me |
| 09:17.57 | Resonant | I was fortunate enough to have my friend available to help me yesterday, but I doubt I could safely do that right now |
| 09:17.59 | chealer | Resonant: just to be sure, why do you need to compile your kernel? |
| 09:18.00 | jetscreamer | what port does nfs use |
| 09:18.06 | cahoot | henrik_: för framtida bruk: http://users.sarai.net/~ish/contents.html |
| 09:18.08 | cat | streuner__: but how come it doesn't say my real ip? |
| 09:18.12 | cat | that's not my ip address |
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| 09:18.20 | Resonant | chealer: how would I install 2.6.8? |
| 09:18.39 | streuner__ | cat: that's YOUR real IP |
| 09:18.42 | chealer | Resonant: if you don't need to compile it, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-arch |
| 09:18.46 | cat | is not |
| 09:18.50 | chealer | 2.6.8-2- even |
| 09:19.03 | streuner__ | cat: what your ISP give you its their IP |
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| 09:19.14 | cat | streuner__: that's my router ip isn't it? |
| 09:19.21 | streuner__ | cat: no |
| 09:19.30 | cat | try connecting to the ip address |
| 09:19.30 | jetscreamer | what port does nfs use |
| 09:19.30 | ireverentReveren | i am getting an error during a kernel compile... what is the best way to track down what is causing it and or how to fix/avoid it? |
| 09:19.31 | cat | with ssh |
| 09:19.38 | streuner__ | cat: your router is prolly 192.186.1.1 |
| 09:19.47 | streuner__ | cat: route -n would show you |
| 09:19.57 | henrik_ | cahoot: Ok. Jag kan inte komma in pa den sidan... |
| 09:20.03 | cat | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 09:20.03 | cat | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 09:20.03 | cat | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 09:20.09 | cahoot | henrik_: för framtida bruk |
| 09:20.10 | Resonant | chealer: couldn't find package |
| 09:20.14 | cat | oh boy, |
| 09:20.18 | cat | i forgot this is not flood, |
| 09:20.22 | henrik_ | cahoot: ok. |
| 09:20.25 | streuner__ | cat: well, UG = UP, Gateway |
| 09:20.32 | cat | ?? |
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| 09:20.58 | streuner__ | cat: .0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 <-- that's your router |
| 09:21.05 | ireverentReveren | make[5]: *** [drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o] Error 1 |
| 09:21.13 | cat | yeah |
| 09:21.16 | ireverentReveren | can anyone tell me what that means and how to fix/avoid it? |
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| 09:21.20 | chealer | Resonant: you need to replace "arch" by your architecture |
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| 09:21.23 | cat | but that's not my ip eather my real ip is the one i give u 67 |
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| 09:21.44 | Resonant | hah, now I feel stupid |
| 09:21.45 | Resonant | thanks |
| 09:21.54 | Resonant | and by thanks, I mean thanks for your help |
| 09:22.17 | cat | nslookup of host 192.168.0.101 failed. |
| 09:22.23 | ugexe | hmm i am getting error loading module alsa when i try to use alsa player with the alsa plugin flag |
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| 09:23.42 | ben_ken_hobbit | somebody speak french? |
| 09:24.11 | sussudio | !fr |
| 09:24.11 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 09:24.24 | ben_ken_hobbit | merci |
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| 09:24.42 | streuner__ | cat: http://www.koepfer.de/php/traceroute.php |
| 09:25.37 | cat | 66.176.127.187 |
| 09:25.56 | cat | that's the ip |
| 09:26.14 | cat | 17 c-66-176-127-187.se.client2.attbi.com (66.176.127.187) 136.307 ms 137.696 ms 138.571 ms |
| 09:26.26 | ireverentReveren | hmm |
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| 09:26.43 | streuner__ | cat: disable your P2P app :-) |
| 09:26.51 | cat | p2p? |
| 09:26.53 | cat | wtf? |
| 09:27.30 | RainbowW | what's the default package that runs /etc/cron.hourly etc? |
| 09:27.40 | streuner__ | cron? |
| 09:27.57 | peterS | RainbowW: cron, via /etc/crontab |
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| 09:28.35 | Empty | Hey all... How do I /dev/null mail for someone in a standard debian install of exim? |
| 09:28.37 | RainbowW | peterS: ah otay. now i see how it works. screwey. thanks. :) |
| 09:28.49 | Resonant | well, I am back on 2.6.8 kernel |
| 09:28.51 | peterS | RainbowW: yeah, it all becomes clear when you see what /etc/crontab has in it (: |
| 09:29.09 | Resonant | I noticed that something (NVidia TLS) started up during bootup...what is that? |
| 09:29.25 | Empty | I'd prefer an /etc/aliases solution but the two I am dealing with ATM have valid homedirs also, so a .forward will work too |
| 09:29.36 | RainbowW | Resonant: video card. |
| 09:30.20 | Resonant | RainbowW: I am curious, does that mean all I have to do is reconfigure my monitor settings, now? |
| 09:30.37 | RainbowW | Resonant: nfc. |
| 09:30.49 | Resonant | ...nfc? |
| 09:30.54 | RainbowW | no fucking clue. :) |
| 09:30.58 | Resonant | ahhh |
| 09:31.03 | Resonant | a new acronym to add to the list |
| 09:31.09 | RainbowW | i have an nvidia card but not in my debian boxen. |
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| 09:32.38 | usn | hi all, good morning |
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| 09:32.52 | Resonant | how do I/is there a way to restart xserver without restarting the computer? |
| 09:33.10 | peterS | Resonant: log out of it. when you get the login screen, hit ctrl-alt-backspace. |
| 09:33.20 | Resonant | peterS: thanks |
| 09:33.26 | peterS | yes, that's kind of a pun on ctrl-alt-delete |
| 09:33.28 | arango | how can I get the complete name of an installed package ? dpkg -l | grep package truncates the name |
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| 09:33.38 | peterS | arango: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep |
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| 09:33.53 | RainbowW | am i understanding the crontab right? stuff needs to be +x to run? or must it be -x? |
| 09:33.54 | ireverentReveren | make[5]: *** [drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o] Error 1 <-- how do i avoid/fix that error on a kernel compile? or find out more about it so i can solve this on my own |
| 09:33.54 | peterS | arango: dpkg obeys the COLUMNS variable and at 200 columns wide, the field is wide enough to show the whole thing |
| 09:33.54 | rafiks | hi ! just got a linksys wpc11 card for my laptop... this card is not cardbus card ,, would this mean that my connection would be slower? |
| 09:34.17 | boukensya | hey guys.. I am trying to rip a dvd with subtitles burnt into the picture (not optional) is this possible with mencoder? |
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| 09:34.19 | peterS | ireverentReveren: probably you want to just disable the gamma drm driver entirely. I'm guessing you don't have one of those |
| 09:34.24 | ben_ken_hobbit | I have a problem I seek old a distrib to install it on one 486 with 22Mo of RAM |
| 09:34.40 | peterS | ireverentReveren: 'make menuconfig', go to Character devices -> DRI/DRM -> 3DLabs gamma |
| 09:34.40 | ireverentReveren | peterS where under menuconfig can i find it? |
| 09:34.45 | ireverentReveren | Thank You |
| 09:34.45 | arango | peterS: thanks |
| 09:34.46 | Chameleon22 | i just poped a seconhand scsi hdd into my debian box (already had a scsi card in there), can some one point me in the right direction of how i would go about detecting the hdd etc |
| 09:34.56 | peterS | ireverentReveren: or something like that, I didn't just now check (: |
| 09:35.00 | RainbowW | rafiks: if you can get it to work under linux at all (gfl, in my experience linksys cards suck and their software is even worse), it shouldn't be enough that you'd notice the difference. |
| 09:35.15 | streuner__ | Chameleon22: dmesg, lspci |
| 09:35.16 | jetscreamer | oh, weekend |
| 09:35.40 | streuner__ | jetscreamer: J E T S C RRRR EEEEE AA AMMMERRRRR! |
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| 09:35.49 | peterS | heh |
| 09:35.51 | jetscreamer | howdy mista streunah |
| 09:36.23 | ireverentReveren | peter would it be a 3dlabs GMX 2000? |
| 09:36.23 | streuner__ | peterS: another way to say hello ;-) |
| 09:36.27 | ireverentReveren | peterS would it be a 3dlabs GMX 2000? |
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| 09:36.34 | peterS | ireverentReveren: yeah |
| 09:36.42 | ireverentReveren | peterS thank you very much |
| 09:36.43 | rafiks | RainbowW: this is a ver 3 ..it has prism 3 chipset.. |
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| 09:37.16 | peterS | streuner__: indeed |
| 09:37.20 | jetscreamer | i need nfs clues: i get connection refused when i try to mount on the client |
| 09:37.31 | streuner | :-) |
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| 09:37.39 | peterS | jetscreamer: make sure you're running 'portmapper' and 'nfs-kernel-server' on the server |
| 09:37.46 | peterS | jetscreamer: and you don't have all that stuff firewalled away |
| 09:37.48 | jetscreamer | server is set up |
| 09:37.57 | streuner | jetscreamer: firewall? |
| 09:38.00 | jetscreamer | i tried opening up port 4096 or so |
| 09:38.02 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 09:38.05 | Resonant | ok, 2.6.8 apparently doesn't natively handle it :) |
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| 09:38.28 | jetscreamer | err port 2049 |
| 09:38.29 | peterS | jetscreamer: lots more than that. portmapper uses port 111 UDP and TCP both. and NFS requires others too |
| 09:38.33 | streuner | jetscreamer: NFS has a big disadvantage, it uses random ports...., google for firewall and NFS |
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| 09:38.44 | jetscreamer | alrighty then |
| 09:38.53 | streuner | or just disable the firewall |
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| 09:39.03 | RainbowW | streuner: that's only one of nfs's problems. :) |
| 09:39.03 | peterS | jetscreamer: you can type 'rpcinfo -p' on the server to see what ports are being used. you're looking for nfsd, mountd, status, lockd, maybe rquota |
| 09:39.16 | peterS | along with portmap itself, which is on port 111 UDP + TCP, as I said |
| 09:39.21 | Empty | Hey all... How do I /dev/null mail for someone in a standard debian install of exim? |
| 09:39.40 | bc | jetscreamer, are you running Service pack 2? |
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| 09:40.24 | peterS | jetscreamer: sorry, instead of 'lockd' I meant 'nlockmgr'. anyway. |
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| 09:41.10 | Chameleon22 | streuner: can i message you plz |
| 09:41.12 | Chameleon22 | ? |
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| 09:41.19 | d3s | how can I copy my ntfs winxp using linux? dd did not work, neither, captive-ntfs |
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| 09:41.46 | streuner | Chameleon22: keep the convo here, i see no reason why you need to. |
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| 09:41.52 | RainbowW | d3s: copy to what? |
| 09:42.33 | Chameleon22 | streuner: thats cool, any way dmesg | grep -i scsi revealed some stuff... where to after this |
| 09:42.37 | ireverentReveren | when a kernel is compiling, what do the "cc" "hostcc" "ld" etc in the first column mean? |
| 09:43.06 | peterS | ireverentReveren: those are abbreviations for what action is being done to produce each output file |
| 09:43.18 | peterS | ireverentReveren: if you want to see the gory details, use 'make V=1' instead of just 'make' |
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| 09:43.26 | ireverentReveren | thanks |
| 09:43.28 | peterS | but the details *are* gory, I'm just as glad to see the abbreviations |
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| 09:43.38 | RainbowW | ireverentReveren: you don't want V=1. |
| 09:43.43 | ireverentReveren | i was just curious as to what they meant |
| 09:43.52 | RainbowW | unless you're doing kernel development. :) |
| 09:44.04 | peterS | ireverentReveren: CC == C compiler. HOSTCC == C compiler producing something to be run during the build itself (not kernel code). LD == linker. |
| 09:44.09 | simonrvn | or just plain sick and twisted |
| 09:44.13 | streuner | Chameleon22: so what's the problem, to add the HD to your system? |
| 09:44.14 | ireverentReveren | ah |
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| 09:44.28 | Chameleon22 | streuner: how, i dont knwo |
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| 09:44.38 | war- | so curious, anyone here in EST and wake up early? or just up late= -o |
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| 09:44.43 | streuner | Chameleon22: edit /etc/fstab |
| 09:44.47 | tha_gamemaster | does anyone know the module i have to load for a via-gigabit ethernet driver? It's a soyo dragon kt880 i believe the nic is VT6122 |
| 09:44.47 | peterS | ireverentReveren: and [M] in there means the compiler/linker is doing something for a module, not builtin code |
| 09:44.58 | simonrvn | war-: just woke up |
| 09:45.09 | streuner | Chameleon22: 'format' the HD for your needs |
| 09:45.10 | ireverentReveren | war- i am in central and up late |
| 09:45.15 | war- | ah |
| 09:45.19 | Chameleon22 | streuner: scsi doesnt see the device |
| 09:45.37 | simonrvn | then you get MODPOST =) |
| 09:45.39 | ireverentReveren | peterS thanks...... |
| 09:45.41 | tha_gamemaster | war i'm in PST and up late |
| 09:46.01 | streuner | Chameleon22: and the other SCSI HD is ok? |
| 09:46.17 | Chameleon22 | streuner: no other one is not scsi |
| 09:46.18 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: I don't know offhand, but I can look up information on this stuff if you can run the following: lspci -n | awk '/0200:/{print $3}' |
| 09:46.24 | simonrvn | which is where the modules are actually built from the .o (object) files, into .ko (modules) files |
| 09:46.40 | streuner | Chameleon22: have you loaded the right module for? |
| 09:46.42 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: it'll print 1106:something, probably. interested in the numbers. |
| 09:46.43 | tha_gamemaster | ok peterS one second, I'll do that right now. |
| 09:46.52 | ireverentReveren | ah |
| 09:46.52 | Chameleon22 | streuner: ye trying now |
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| 09:48.19 | ireverentReveren | do i need a module for a "promise card" in linux if the bios lists teh extra IDE channels? |
| 09:48.34 | streuner | yep |
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| 09:48.57 | streuner | you need (of course) a driver for promise cards |
| 09:48.58 | ireverentReveren | if i have 2 promise cards that are virtually identical, will that be a problem? |
| 09:49.01 | tha_gamemaster | peterS I must be doing it wrong because it just says 0200: |
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| 09:49.28 | peterS | ireverentReveren: it shouldn't be a problem, they'll both use the same driver - pdc202xx probably, or pdc202xx_new, depending on kernel version |
| 09:49.39 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: ok try the same thing but $4 instead of $3 |
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| 09:49.47 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: I think lspci has changed somewhat, recently |
| 09:49.47 | simonrvn | i hear you're better off with the _new one |
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| 09:49.58 | tha_gamemaster | peterS if i change it to $1 it returns 0000:00:07.0 |
| 09:50.03 | ireverentReveren | well, hopefully it will be the 2.6.10 kernel |
| 09:50.05 | Cat | Damn i dont have internet |
| 09:50.06 | tha_gamemaster | peterS ok i'll try $4 |
| 09:50.09 | simonrvn | 0000:00:0b.0 0600: 106b:0001 (rev 03) |
| 09:50.13 | simonrvn | e.g. |
| 09:50.14 | Cat | Damn i dont have internet |
| 09:50.23 | tha_gamemaster | $4 returned 1106:3119 |
| 09:50.29 | streuner | Cat: god, you are alreay in i-net :-) |
| 09:50.39 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: right, the 1106 is VIA, 3119 is the specific device. I'll look it up. |
| 09:50.46 | simonrvn | s/he's just trolling again |
| 09:50.49 | tha_gamemaster | peterS thanks ^_^ |
| 09:51.08 | streuner | simonrvn: well, repeated it twice... |
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| 09:51.58 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: in kernel 2.6.10, the 'via-velocity' module includes that ID |
| 09:52.39 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: in kernel 2.4.27, nobody has heard of it |
| 09:52.50 | pder | anyone here have experience with the usbnet driver in 2.6.8? |
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| 09:53.15 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: the via-velocity driver seems to be new as of kernel 2.6.8 |
| 09:53.17 | tha_gamemaster | peterS I'm using 2.6.8 and i modprobed via-velocity, so I'll try it |
| 09:53.24 | ireverentReveren | well, goodnight all, and as always, thanks a billion for the help |
| 09:53.25 | pder | i can not install debian sarge using 2.6.8 using this driver. however 2.4.27 seems to work somewhat |
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| 09:54.47 | bored | How can i boot to encrypted windows partition with grub? |
| 09:54.49 | tha_gamemaster | peterS that solved it, thanks very much!! |
| 09:54.52 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: cool |
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| 09:55.27 | ugexe | "Failure to load output plugin 'Alsa' Attempting to load defaults" - after that it plays the sound fine... does this mean alsa is not working correct? |
| 09:55.45 | peterS | ugexe: sounds like it, no pun intended |
| 09:55.47 | tha_gamemaster | now on to sound... |
| 09:56.01 | Chameleon22 | whats the name of the pkg to detect devices on the system ? |
| 09:56.06 | peterS | Chameleon22: discover |
| 09:56.09 | Chameleon22 | ta |
| 09:56.30 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: yeah, what sound chip does that mobo have? if it's a VIA-based thing I'm guessing the sound will be a VT8233 or VT8237...? |
| 09:56.52 | ugexe | peterS: if i ./alsa stop there is no sound from anything though... so is alsa oss emulation working only or something? |
| 09:57.08 | peterS | ugexe: oh, I have no idea |
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| 09:57.53 | Chameleon22 | streuner: well loaded sg and still doesnt see the hdd |
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| 09:58.06 | tha_gamemaster | peterS it's um... ac97... uh... One second please ^_^ |
| 09:58.29 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: 'lspci | grep audio' will tell. I bet I'm right about the 8233 / 8237 chip, though (: |
| 09:58.43 | streuner | Chameleon22: you need the module for the SCSI controller |
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| 10:00.25 | tha_gamemaster | peterS brb going to swtich to that machine now that I have network up |
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| 10:00.34 | ugexe | ok i fixed my alsa problem by installing from source |
| 10:00.51 | ugexe | however xmms doesnt want to use the alsa driver :/ |
| 10:00.51 | streuner_ | 00:05.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-294x / AIC-7871 |
| 10:01.12 | streuner | Chameleon22: lspci -v | grep SCSI |
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| 10:02.01 | tha_gamemaster | peterS it's 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 10:02.23 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: right. try the alsa driver: snd_via82xx as well as snd_pcm_oss |
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| 10:02.49 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: if that proves unsatisfactory, there is always the non-alsa 'via82cxxx_audio' driver |
| 10:03.07 | peterS | not to be confused with 'via82cxxx' which is an IDE driver for the same chipset (: |
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| 10:04.17 | tha_gamemaster | peterS, ah thanks, I'm pretty sure the ide driver is loaded but it can't hurt to check, let me modprobe the snd ones now |
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| 10:06.34 | PD | hi there |
| 10:06.44 | PD | I need some help with bash scripting |
| 10:07.15 | streuner | #bash |
| 10:08.14 | arango | is it possible to have a global grub vga=<mode> setting instead of putting it in each kernel entry ? |
| 10:08.15 | PD | thanx |
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| 10:09.39 | d3s | RainbowW: copy to my new hd.. another bigger ntfs partition |
| 10:10.15 | peritus | how can i make apt not upgrading some of my packets when i use apt-get upgrade? |
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| 10:10.30 | peterS | peritus: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 10:11.53 | arango | is it possible to have a global grub vga=<mode> setting instead of putting it in each kernel entry ? |
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| 10:12.35 | Coke | I'm trying to use a program called "burn" (from testing) and even though I have the media inserted it says "Error. Please insert a blank CD". How can I fix it? |
| 10:13.46 | peritus | peterS: thanks |
| 10:14.13 | peterS | Coke: I'm guessing it's finding the wrong CD drive, or something |
| 10:14.19 | peterS | oy. he left. |
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| 10:18.52 | zebedee | Hi all. Has anyone successfully got the 'Audio View' option working properly in Gnome/Nautilus? I'm having proper problems! |
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| 10:20.55 | TolkienLuver | !mod_python |
| 10:21.08 | TolkienLuver | !info apache2 |
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| 10:22.28 | DarkFame | 52kB? |
| 10:22.57 | PPP|SpOOnman | Q : I don't have KDE. I use qtconfig and only have 5 ugly styles. I dl'ded some new but I can't find a place to put them, so qtconfig might see it. How to do this? |
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| 10:25.14 | valdyn | arango: vi /boot/grub/menu.lst. search for "kopt" |
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| 10:27.33 | tha_gamemaster | peterS sweet it works, ^_^ do you know if the driver supports the 5/7/8.1 sound? or just 2.0 ? |
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| 10:27.58 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: I only have 2 speakers and a woofer, so I've never cared to find out stuff like that |
| 10:28.06 | valdyn | !depends apache2 |
| 10:28.08 | dpkg | apache2: depends on apache2-mpm-worker (= 2.0.53-3) | apache2-mpm-prefork (= 2.0.53-3) | apache2-mpm-perchild (= 2.0.53-3) |
| 10:28.11 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: ALSA in principle is good for multi-channel stuff, but of course it all depends on your individual driver |
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| 10:28.23 | valdyn | DarkFame: ^^^^ what dpkg said |
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| 10:28.53 | tha_gamemaster | peterS I'll Look into it, 2.0 is better than 0.0, but still 5.1 would be nice eventually ^_^ brb/bbl doing a massive update |
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| 10:29.18 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: yeah, run 'alsamixer' from the alsa-tools package, see what your available channels are that way |
| 10:29.37 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: I mean alsa-utils, not alsa-tools |
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| 10:30.42 | visomo | hi, I've a question about xfce (4.2) and vnc. Is it possible to make an view-only connection for a running session? |
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| 10:31.40 | tha_gamemaster | peterS well from the looks of it, it shows the LFE and SURROUND and CENTER, so theoretically the software does support it, but only after a test can I be certain ~_^ |
| 10:31.54 | arango | valdyn: thanks |
| 10:32.36 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: right, it also depends on what your media player software supports. like I said I don't know much about that stuff as I don't have enough speakers to care (: |
| 10:33.34 | tha_gamemaster | hehe, well there's only 2 instances in which I will care, Half-life 2 and Doom 3, (other games are just bonus-es like Max Payne and Counter-Strike) I wouldn't watch dvds on my computer when I have a big TV with 5.1 |
| 10:33.43 | peterS | ahhh |
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| 10:34.07 | ccg | i got a dos bootdisk and want to create a virtual boot image .img from it, does anybody know how to do this ? |
| 10:34.15 | chimaera | can anyone confirm that the lates kernel-package is unable to build 2.6.11-ck4? make: *** No rule to make target `conf.vars', needed by `stamp-configure'. Stop. |
| 10:34.15 | common | dd ? |
| 10:34.26 | common | ccg man dd? |
| 10:34.39 | tha_gamemaster | ccg dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/home/username/dosboot.img |
| 10:34.46 | tha_gamemaster | as an example |
| 10:34.48 | ccg | thx |
| 10:35.14 | tha_gamemaster | peterS those methods you used to diagnose my problems today. By what means might I also acuire this knowledge? |
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| 10:35.36 | tha_gamemaster | yw ccg |
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| 10:36.08 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: that lspci-related stuff? I dunno, I just happen to know how to use lspci to list PCI / AGP devices on the system. given the numeric form of its output, I can look through my local kernel source code to see what drivers mention those numbers in the right places |
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| 10:36.42 | essox | hi |
| 10:37.18 | tha_gamemaster | peterS ah I see, relatively higher level stuff, I was just curious because it's extremely helpful for say a PC with odd hardware that is almost impossible to determine when searching for drivers. |
| 10:37.18 | peterS | tha_gamemaster: and as for your sound card, I know all about that because I have the same chip type (plus, it's a very common one, so I see it mentioned on #debian quite a bit) |
| 10:37.25 | lonewolff | i wonder if anyone can help me i have a bit of a dilema, i want to install debian on my laptop (only has floppy drive and now cd-rom drive) it does have a network card but i cant use the network card and floppy at the same time. does anyone know how i could do this install? |
| 10:37.41 | tha_gamemaster | lonewolff can you boot to cd? |
| 10:37.58 | lonewolff | s/now/not |
| 10:38.03 | lonewolff | sorry there is no cd drive |
| 10:38.33 | peterS | !bless DarkFame |
| 10:38.33 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child DarkFame, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 10:38.40 | tha_gamemaster | lol goodluck DarkFame |
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| 10:38.52 | visomo | okay, i've found a solution. x11vnc does the trick. Well, viewing it from the same X session isn't a good idea. ;) |
| 10:38.55 | syntrx | lonewolff: I'd pop the hard disk out, buy a $5 2.5" to 3.5" IDE adaptor, install Debian using another PC, then put the drive back into the laptop and configure it for that hardware |
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| 10:39.28 | lonewolff | syntrx: now thats a good idea, will the debian installer install the base system to a usb drive ? |
| 10:39.29 | tha_gamemaster | $5? I got mine for $15 |
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| 10:39.43 | lonewolff | because i have a 2.5" usb caddy |
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| 10:39.56 | syntrx | No idea. |
| 10:40.02 | syntrx | Possibly. |
| 10:40.06 | lonewolff | time to give it a try ... |
| 10:40.19 | peterS | lonewolff: I'm sure it can be made to do so |
| 10:40.32 | syntrx | You would have to fix fstab before putting it into the laptop tho because the drive names would be wrong. |
| 10:40.40 | lonewolff | yeah well it should be seen as a scsi disk so i dont see what the problem is |
| 10:40.49 | lonewolff | yeah. but thats trivial to do |
| 10:41.12 | lonewolff | im gonna give this a try ... |
| 10:41.13 | syntrx | You would end up with a reference to sda1 rather than hda1 for the / partition |
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| 10:41.20 | lonewolff | yes |
| 10:41.29 | lonewolff | right time to get out of bed and give this a try |
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| 10:43.12 | DarkFame | bah.. i forgot the name of the xfree86 system package.. what is it? |
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| 10:43.32 | streuner | DarkFame: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 10:43.42 | DarkFame | thanks |
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| 10:44.59 | streuner | apt, setup x |
| 10:45.00 | apt | i guess set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults ... |
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| 10:45.28 | streuner | dondelelcaro: got no response from dpkg... |
| 10:45.30 | DarkFame | ... hmm... /msg dpkg setup x didn't do much |
| 10:45.32 | Schnoffos | Has someone used the XEN packages? |
| 10:45.49 | streuner | DarkFame: read what apt told you |
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| 10:46.31 | SiliconViper | Finally got around to setting up UnrealIRCd on my server. |
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| 10:46.51 | SiliconViper | Well, on one of them. I still need to work out the linking topology. |
| 10:46.58 | SiliconViper | But it's a start. |
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| 10:47.20 | Schnoffos | Hi mates, I'm looking for some advice to get the XEN packages in unstable up and running. Anyone? |
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| 10:47.54 | DarkFame | streuner: I did (suffers from short memory.. ;)) |
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| 10:48.22 | lopuz | are there any graphical package mangers for debian? |
| 10:48.37 | bored | synaptic |
| 10:48.39 | rdancer | any idea why modprobe ndiswrapper and modprobe ndiswrapper if_name=ap%d doesn't have the same effect, with ``options ndiswrapper if_name=ap%d'' in /etc/modules.conf? |
| 10:48.49 | SiliconViper | lopuz, Synaptic is for win. |
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| 10:49.12 | rdancer | synaptic is cute |
| 10:49.27 | lopuz | okay, thanks |
| 10:49.48 | karsten | Anyone know if it's possible to get a snapshot of a reiserfs filesystem while it's being live-updated? |
| 10:49.52 | DarkFame | aha.. x-window-system .. :) |
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| 10:50.46 | DarkFame | too long since I've been fiddling with debian I guess... |
| 10:51.09 | bob2 | karsten: run it on top of LVM |
| 10:51.33 | karsten | bob2: That may not be possible, but got a pointer on that? |
| 10:51.35 | Schnoffos | has anyone experience with colinux on linux or xen? |
| 10:51.45 | OleMoudi | what should I usually do, upgrade or dist-upgrade. I still don't get the differences between them |
| 10:51.52 | bob2 | karsten: not sure, but I know LVM has a snapshotting capability |
| 10:51.57 | bob2 | google, I guess |
| 10:52.00 | karsten | bob2: OK. |
| 10:52.04 | bob2 | OleMoudi: read the manpage |
| 10:52.08 | OleMoudi | I read it |
| 10:52.17 | helix | read it HARDER |
| 10:52.24 | OleMoudi | according to it, dist-upgrade is smarter... |
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| 10:52.33 | OleMoudi | but i always see people doing upgrade |
| 10:52.38 | rdancer | oh my, wtf is /etc/modprobe.d ?!@#% |
| 10:52.43 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.43 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.43 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.00 | bob2 | it will install and remove packages as dependencies change |
| 10:53.09 | bob2 | upgrade just gets now versions of existing ones |
| 10:53.11 | karsten | bob2: Good to know |
| 10:53.23 | bob2 | dist-upgrade is fine to use as long as you read what it plans to do |
| 10:53.29 | bob2 | and make sure it won't remove anything you care about |
| 10:53.40 | karsten | helix: I thought it was read it longer, harder, and uncut. |
| 10:53.44 | Schnoffos | rdancer: generally X.d dirs replace X files, splitting the contents of the latter into seperate files in X.d |
| 10:53.53 | helix | yeah, whatever works |
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| 10:54.49 | Shimonn | hi, i'm configuring vsftpd but it seems my virtuals uses don't exist ... |
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| 10:55.07 | OleMoudi | helix, I was asking because sometimes you can read hundreds of manual pages and then hear somebody explaining it to you with a simple and friendly sentence |
| 10:55.17 | ugexe | i dont understand where i am suppose to tell xmms to use plug:dmix |
| 10:55.18 | helix | OleMoudi: yeah, I wasn't being serious with you :) |
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| 10:56.42 | karsten | bob2: Apparently the reiser/lvm/snapshot stuff is in the reiserfs faq, but I'm lagging.... |
| 10:56.51 | karsten | helix: s/you/anybody/ |
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| 10:57.05 | helix | word up |
| 10:57.32 | karsten | bob2: http://www.namesys.com/faq.html (I'm still waiting for it to show....) |
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| 10:57.40 | bob2 | ah |
| 10:57.44 | bob2 | their website always sucks |
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| 10:58.00 | bob2 | it's hosted in siberia over a OC-string-and-can, afaict |
| 10:58.16 | DarkFame | twm, here I come.. ;) |
| 10:58.30 | lopuz | how am i going to use synaptic if i'm not root? |
| 10:58.45 | karsten | bob2: ...well, _nothing_ is loading ATM. I think apt-get's running.... |
| 10:58.51 | DarkFame | lopuz: how are you going to use apt-get, if you're not root? |
| 10:58.52 | lopuz | if i log into root, I just get the no display error |
| 10:59.10 | bob2 | lopuz: sudo synaptic |
| 10:59.26 | lopuz | ah |
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| 11:00.20 | DarkFame | su root -c synaptics |
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| 11:00.31 | lopuz | can i make a group called "sudoers" and edit my /etc/sudoers to just accept the sudoers group? |
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| 11:00.44 | Resonant | ok, I managed to get NVidia drivers working and set up! I believe I really needed to update several packages (gcc among them)....now, how do I test my sound drivers? |
| 11:01.08 | DarkFame | soundcard test: cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 11:01.32 | karsten | Resonant: cat /boot/vmlinuz-$( uname -r ) > /dev/dsp |
| 11:01.46 | karsten | DarkFame: What is this /vmlinuz of which you speak? |
| 11:02.09 | jethro | karsten: a symlink? |
| 11:02.11 | DarkFame | a file I know exists on your system. |
| 11:02.18 | Resonant | device or resource busy |
| 11:02.27 | DarkFame | which is big enough to make some sound on your /dev/dsp |
| 11:02.33 | DarkFame | fuser |
| 11:02.36 | karsten | jethro: Not required by GRUB. |
| 11:02.45 | stew | oh just use /dev/urandom |
| 11:02.45 | jethro | karsten: did anyone say it was? |
| 11:02.47 | nevyn | DarkFame: it doesn't sound very nice however. |
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| 11:03.05 | karsten | stew: What a senseless waste of good entropy. |
| 11:03.17 | Resonant | karsten: what an awesome quote :) |
| 11:03.18 | stew | maybe we need a /dev/sinewave |
| 11:03.19 | DarkFame | nevyn: Never said so either... but it IS sound .. :) |
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| 11:03.36 | Resonant | so it says device is busy |
| 11:03.44 | karsten | Resonant: Thanks. |
| 11:03.47 | pusling | is there a fancy program / script that chooses different sources.list-files depending on the IP number ? (For my laptop) |
| 11:04.04 | DarkFame | fuser -k /dev/dsp ... :D *evil grin* |
| 11:04.23 | karsten | DarkFame: Yeah, that should kill it. |
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| 11:04.34 | karsten | DarkFame: fuser -v IIRC lists processes. |
| 11:04.43 | DarkFame | true, but why bother? ;) |
| 11:04.49 | Shimonn | my PAM auth doesn't work with vsftpd |
| 11:04.50 | karsten | pusling: Um. Your apt sources? |
| 11:04.58 | Resonant | if something is using it, does that mean it should be working? |
| 11:05.01 | phcrack | Is there a way for me to see which processes are attached to which devices? |
| 11:05.11 | karsten | DarkFame: I *usually* like to know what it is I'm killing. |
| 11:05.24 | DarkFame | stabbing in the dark is nice.. ;) |
| 11:05.25 | pusling | karsten: yes |
| 11:05.27 | kreg | is there a way to restore the "nobody" account back to it's default password and stuff? |
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| 11:05.40 | kreg | i tried using it for a samaba guest account and gave it a password |
| 11:06.07 | karsten | phcrack: lsof; ll /proc/[0-9]/fd/ |
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| 11:06.56 | phcrack | karsten: thanks |
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| 11:07.06 | karsten | kreg: Um. '*' |
| 11:07.15 | kreg | eh? |
| 11:07.35 | karsten | kreg: You can vipw -s and put '*' in the password field. |
| 11:07.53 | karsten | kreg: nobody has no valid password and is locked by default. |
| 11:08.09 | karsten | kreg: There's probably a way to do that via 'passwd', RTFM |
| 11:08.24 | simonrvn | not really |
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| 11:08.57 | Resonant | so...if the dsp device is busy, that means I should have sound, right? |
| 11:09.00 | karsten | simonrvn: not really what? |
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| 11:09.10 | Resonant | or does that mean that I wont have sound because something is locking the hardware |
| 11:09.10 | simonrvn | editing that with passwd |
| 11:09.45 | karsten | bob2: FWIW: http://www.namesys.com/faq.html#snapshot |
| 11:10.04 | karsten | bob2: ...which isn't exactly verbose on the topic: You can create ReiserFS on top of LVM logical volume and use LVM snapshot capabilities. |
| 11:10.10 | stew | Resonant: yes, i'd first guess that its your DE |
| 11:10.28 | Resonant | stew: I think it is |
| 11:10.46 | Resonant | I am wondering now why it isn't actually creating sound, though |
| 11:11.13 | stew | Resonant: what are you doing that would make your DE produce sounds? |
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| 11:11.34 | Resonant | about thirty seconds ago I was trying to play an audio Cd |
| 11:11.37 | kreg | would you use the nobody accound for a guest samba account? got about 4 people that want to use a common mount point to exchange files, and i don't really want to make them full accounts. |
| 11:11.52 | karsten | bob2: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshotintro.html |
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| 11:12.39 | karsten | bob2: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshots_backup.html |
| 11:12.43 | stew | Resonant: i think you are not following me, by DE i mean gnome/kde/whatever |
| 11:13.16 | Resonant | I am following you, according to the sound screen KDE tries to hold a lock on audio devices and divy them out |
| 11:13.17 | stew | Resonant: i'm saying your DE is using the soundcard so the cdplayer can't |
| 11:13.18 | msamsing | are the standard debian-kernels patched in any way? and if they are .. how? |
| 11:13.20 | Resonant | or thats what I read in to it |
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| 11:13.38 | cantona | Anyone have this problem when using USB mouse? psmouse.c: Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away. |
| 11:13.43 | stew | Resonant: so iirc you need to use arts / esd / alsa |
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| 11:13.55 | stew | Resonant: or turn off sound in kde |
| 11:14.10 | karsten | cantona: If you can work it down to half a byte, it's a nybble, and you can substitute cheese. |
| 11:14.25 | lopuz | Are there any easy way to get nvidia drivers to debian? |
| 11:14.27 | karsten | cantona: ...in which case, if /dev/cheese is empty, you get an ENOCHEESE error. |
| 11:14.37 | karsten | !tell lopuz about nvidia |
| 11:14.37 | stew | lopuz: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 11:14.59 | karsten | cantona: Otherwise: if it's not affecting your session, don't worry about it. GIYF. |
| 11:15.35 | bob2 | karsten: ah, cool |
| 11:15.35 | karsten | cantona: ...losing 2 bytes of mouse input isn't likely to be critical. |
| 11:15.51 | cantona | karsten: My mouse goes crazy for a few secs when it happens |
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| 11:16.36 | DarkFame | why doesn't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 create a XF86Config file? |
| 11:16.39 | cantona | karsten: it doesnt happen in my old mobo |
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| 11:17.22 | karsten | DarkFame: If you 've hand-edited the file, it won't be created. It's also /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 11:17.35 | karsten | DarkFame: ...if you have an existing file, try renaming it first. |
| 11:17.40 | stew | DarkFame: /msg dpkg confmiss ; /msg dpkg set up x |
| 11:17.46 | DarkFame | karsten: I know, I did rename it. |
| 11:17.55 | stew | karsten: if its missing its still a confmiss |
| 11:17.58 | karsten | cantona: Lots of Google hits on that error. You've searched on it? |
| 11:18.12 | msamsing | is there any information on the standard debian kernels? |
| 11:18.12 | karsten | stew: Um. Shouldnt' be. |
| 11:18.19 | stew | karsten: yes it should |
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| 11:18.33 | stew | !confmiss |
| 11:18.33 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 11:18.37 | karsten | cantona: What kernel version? |
| 11:18.43 | karsten | cantona: uname -r |
| 11:19.06 | cantona | Karsten: yes, they said KVM problem, i haven't that 2.6.10 |
| 11:19.13 | karsten | cantona: ...and what kind of mouse? |
| 11:19.17 | cantona | kernel 2.6.10 , i compile my self |
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| 11:19.33 | karsten | cantona: Hrm. I'm seeing 2.6.10, 2.6.2. There's a kernel patch out. |
| 11:19.45 | karsten | cantona: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0402.1/1597.html |
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| 11:20.04 | karsten | cantona: http://www.google.com/search?q=Mouse+at+isa0060%2Fserio1%2Finput0+lost+synchronization |
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| 11:21.03 | karsten | bob2: namesys's graphics are a tad bizarre. |
| 11:21.24 | DarkFame | thanks, stew |
| 11:21.32 | cantona | karsten: thanks let me try it |
| 11:22.30 | karsten | cantona: NP. Suggest you look into that a tad further. |
| 11:22.42 | cantona | and how can make the scroll button work? i have already Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" in XF86Config |
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| 11:23.14 | DarkFame | lol |
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| 11:24.31 | karsten | !tell anymous about knoppix |
| 11:25.08 | cantona | karsten: the patch already in 2.6.10 |
| 11:25.18 | karsten | cantona: OK. |
| 11:25.35 | karsten | cantona: As I said: plug your error message into Google. Suggest you search LKML |
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| 11:25.59 | karsten | !tell cantona about lkml |
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| 11:26.21 | simonrvn | karsten: doing ok today buddy? |
| 11:26.39 | karsten | simonrvn: hangin. |
| 11:26.48 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 11:26.50 | karsten | simonrvn: Missed c a mess. |
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| 11:27.15 | simonrvn | oh, yeh |
| 11:27.21 | simonrvn | @hug karsten |
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| 11:27.52 | cantona | karsten: yes i read google, they got the problem when using KVM switch but i have not using it |
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| 11:28.27 | karsten | cantona: Suggest you search the error message + "lkml" and do some reading. |
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| 11:28.51 | cantona | karsten: ok I will report it |
| 11:28.53 | karsten | Is there a GMANE LKML mirror? |
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| 11:29.12 | karsten | cantona: ...also check Debian BTS. |
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| 11:30.11 | simonrvn | nice, i didn't have to mess with an ldif |
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| 11:30.29 | simonrvn | @evolution's ldap contact editor++ |
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| 11:30.34 | deeeed | hi |
| 11:31.02 | lord_rob | Hi ! Each time I click on a .doc file in kde, it wants to start crossover wine with word, but I have removed them. How do I associate .doc with OOo for all users ? It is something like mime isn't it ? |
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| 11:31.59 | DarkFame | lord_rob: Yep, it's your MIME settings. |
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| 11:32.12 | DarkFame | lord_rob: check your KDE Control Center |
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| 11:33.11 | karsten | lord_rob: In KDE control panel you should have a file associations management tool. Try searching 'MIME' under KDE help. |
| 11:33.36 | deeeed | do you have probems for installing j2sdk ? |
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| 11:34.01 | deeeed | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.01 | deeeed | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 11:34.36 | caphuso | yay... Subject: Your P-C is under hard siege - stop this now burglarproof |
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| 11:35.12 | wye | hi all |
| 11:35.56 | karsten | caphuso: You want all my antispam spam, while we're at it? |
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| 11:36.18 | caphuso | karsten: no, i want that software that makes my P-C burglarproof |
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| 11:36.36 | wye | im trying to run the ircd in a diferent port of 6667, is it allowed? i had changed the P-LINE to 8888 instead of 6667, but it dont works :( may i change something more? |
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| 11:36.48 | karsten | caphuso: The one sure way to prevent anythign of yours from being stolen... |
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| 11:37.08 | karsten | caphuso: ...is to have nothing to steal. |
| 11:37.13 | Resonant | hrm, I restart my computer (actually, it crashed) and there is no such /dev/dsp device |
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| 11:37.52 | caphuso | karsten: yeah, that'd work |
| 11:37.59 | vulture | Resonant: did you manually load a sound module last time your system was booted? |
| 11:38.05 | Resonant | no |
| 11:38.12 | vulture | *shrugs* |
| 11:38.18 | Resonant | not intentionally, at the very least |
| 11:38.28 | Resonant | of course, my video driver died when I restarted too, had to recompile |
| 11:38.41 | Resonant | perhaps I should just restart again, see if something is FUBAR'ing |
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| 11:39.34 | TolkienLuver | Hi |
| 11:39.41 | TolkienLuver | can i use apt-get to find out what apache2 version am i doing? |
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| 11:40.20 | ArtVandalae | TolkienLuver, I think apt-cache is used to query packages |
| 11:40.48 | stew | TolkienLuver: dpkg -l apache2 |
| 11:41.10 | wye | im trying to run the ircd in a diferent port of 6667, is it allowed? i had changed the P-LINE to 8888 instead of 6667, but it dont works :( may i change something more? |
| 11:41.22 | stew | TolkienLuver: or apt-cache policy apache2 |
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| 11:41.47 | TolkienLuver | oh oaky |
| 11:42.04 | mjunkiexl | I'm having trouble with an old PII machine with a somewhat modern CD-RW drive *refusing* to use debian boot images |
| 11:42.13 | mjunkiexl | I've tried two drives in the machine now.. both refuse to boot the images |
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| 11:42.37 | Blknight | TolkienLuver .. install wajig .. save u heaps of apt-get jiggery pokery :-) |
| 11:42.51 | TolkienLuver | okay. |
| 11:42.51 | stew | mjunkiexl: can you boot them in another machine? |
| 11:42.52 | TolkienLuver | thanks guys. |
| 11:42.59 | mjunkiexl | Lite-On CD-RW ... Mitsumi .. uhh.. old thing :D ... using a Memorex CD-RW .... the newer Lite-On scans the disc then vomits it back out |
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| 11:43.09 | mjunkiexl | stew - yes |
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| 11:44.42 | chimaera | i'm running synaptic using sudo, lately this fails and i get the following msg: sudo: "unable to lookup kyuss via gethostbyname()". any ideas? |
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| 11:45.13 | Resonant | Ok, apparently I needed to update ALSA....but now I am faced with an interesting dilemma: every time I restart my computer, I have to rebuild the nvidia drivers before I can run kdm |
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| 11:45.18 | gigabytes | hi |
| 11:45.20 | Resonant | any ideas on why that could be |
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| 11:48.50 | skip_ | pardon my ignorance folks, is j2re available in any apt repository? |
| 11:49.15 | stew | skip_: /msg dpkg install java |
| 11:49.39 | stew | skip_: j2re isn't free software |
| 11:50.05 | valdyn | Resonant: 'echo nvidia >> /etc/modules', IF instead rebuilding nvidia drivers "modprobe nvidia" fixes your problem |
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| 11:50.37 | Resonant | valdyn: will note and check next restart...you might be right |
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| 11:51.05 | PerfDave | Resonant: How did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 11:51.18 | skip_ | stew: well I'm after whatever the free version is that is needed by packages like limewire and freemind |
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| 11:51.40 | Resonant | PerfDave: like six different ways...umm...the final way was the assistant module |
| 11:52.00 | PerfDave | Resonant: You mean "module-assistant"? |
| 11:52.10 | stew | skip_: when i say free i mean dfsg compliant /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 11:52.14 | PerfDave | skip_: There are Free java packages available in Debian, can't remember what they're called, I'll check. |
| 11:52.18 | Resonant | PerfDave: indeed |
| 11:52.30 | bob2 | badly drawn boy is pretty good |
| 11:52.39 | skip_ | stew, PerfDave, thanks |
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| 11:52.45 | speedy | i'm looking for a secure and reliable mail server, i've used qmail before, but i've heard that postfix is good too |
| 11:52.49 | PerfDave | skip_: free-java-sdk may be the package you're looking for. |
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| 11:53.06 | PerfDave | skip_: What do you mean "mail server"? I'm guessing you mean "MTA", since you mention qmail and postfix. |
| 11:53.09 | PerfDave | ARgh |
| 11:53.13 | PerfDave | speedy: What do you mean "mail server"? I'm guessing you mean "MTA", since you mention qmail and postfix. |
| 11:53.22 | bob2 | just use postfix |
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| 11:53.34 | PerfDave | speedy: Just use exim, it's the Debian default and it's fine. |
| 11:53.35 | speedy | whats so special about postfix? |
| 11:53.40 | skip_ | PerfDave: thanks, I'll have a look now |
| 11:53.46 | stew | speedy: postfix, exim, courier-mta are all good secure reliable mtas |
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| 11:53.57 | bob2 | easy config, fast, stable, no remote security issues |
| 11:54.07 | PerfDave | Resonant: If you've used module-assistant then you should be fine just sticking "nvidia" on the end of /etc/modules. If you use the nvidia-installer shell script, stuff breaks at random ;) |
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| 11:54.20 | speedy | running as superuser or normal? |
| 11:54.31 | speedy | exim and postfix |
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| 11:56.29 | Resonant | perfdave: hehe, I used the nvidia-installer shell script originally....I hope that didn't break anyting indirectly |
| 11:56.36 | PerfDave | speedy: exim on Debian doesn't run as root. |
| 11:56.42 | caphuso | Resonant: no, it does so rather directly |
| 11:56.42 | PerfDave | Resonant: It probably did. |
| 11:56.49 | valdyn | Resonant: no it shouldnt break anything |
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| 11:56.58 | caphuso | valdyn: except that it does |
| 11:56.58 | Resonant | wow, all ends of the spectrum |
| 11:57.01 | stew | heh |
| 11:57.09 | valdyn | caphuso: no, read the context |
| 11:57.13 | PerfDave | Resonant: It'll overwrite apt files, which will in turn get overwritten by apt, and stuff will breka. |
| 11:57.25 | Resonant | sigh |
| 11:57.30 | PerfDave | Resonant: OTOH, if you --reinstall X, and then use module-assistant, you should be fine. |
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| 11:57.34 | Resonant | well, lets see if that appended line helps |
| 11:57.49 | alfadir | hi, loosing usb mouse in X, how to configure hotplug/evdev ? works for 5 min but a Disconnect kills the mouse. |
| 11:58.10 | Resonant | PerfDave: what will --resinstall X do, exactly? |
| 11:58.49 | alfadir | the disconnect thing comming without physical Disconnect, shows up in dmesg. the device gets a new address.. (how to stop that?) |
| 11:59.12 | simonrvn | !vagueness |
| 11:59.12 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 11:59.27 | PerfDave | Resonant: It'll overwrite the files that nvidia-installer trashed with apt-friendly versions. |
| 11:59.27 | stew | poor badgers |
| 11:59.48 | PerfDave | alfadir: I had that. Turned out to be a dodgy USB cable between my PC and hub. |
| 11:59.51 | Resonant | PerfDave: let me rephrase: how long will it take? :) |
| 11:59.58 | alfadir | simonrvn: me ? |
| 12:00.00 | karsten | simonrvn: Every time someone asks a vague question, someone does something some animal. |
| 12:00.00 | PerfDave | Resonant: Shouldn't take too long. |
| 12:00.04 | alfadir | PerfDave: ok |
| 12:00.06 | Resonant | ok, thanks |
| 12:00.14 | simonrvn | karsten: hehe |
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| 12:00.43 | valdyn | PerfDave: basically the nvidia installer doesnt overwrite something wrong, but it doesnt make sure that updating certain x packages in turn does not overwrite its stuff |
| 12:01.17 | Xptic | Hey all. Are there any issues with doing LAMP with Apache2 on testing? What is the proper apt-get order for that? |
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| 12:01.42 | PerfDave | Xptic: Well, you should already have the L sorted ;) |
| 12:01.58 | Xptic | Yeppers. I'm all over that one |
| 12:02.10 | stew | Xptic: you can apt-get then in any order |
| 12:02.18 | stew | Xptic: all at once even |
| 12:02.21 | mjunkiexl | Is it possible for an older CD-RW (circa early 2002) to not read a .iso CD-RW disc? That's the only explanation I have for the inability to boot a perfectly fine .iso image. |
| 12:02.32 | ZorroPlateado | i will go install a server with dell poweredge 1800, i must install with woody or sarge?? sarge has'nt security support |
| 12:03.19 | Xptic | Alrighty. What, specifically should I get? Should I get php4 or libapache2-php4 |
| 12:03.23 | Xptic | and things like that |
| 12:03.26 | PerfDave | ZorroPlateado: Dells seem to have lots of hardware incompatiabilities with Linux, so Woody might not work. But then, Sarge might not either. |
| 12:03.38 | PerfDave | Xptic: apt-cache show php4 |
| 12:03.47 | Xptic | yeppers |
| 12:03.52 | Xptic | all over it.. |
| 12:04.12 | Xptic | libapache2-mod-php4 looks promising |
| 12:04.35 | ZorroPlateado | PerDave: linux.dell.com, the machine is intel xeon, megaraid lsi 53cxxx, chipset ich5 |
| 12:04.38 | stew | promising except its apache2 not apache ;) |
| 12:04.38 | Xptic | Or should I do PHP as a seperate package? |
| 12:04.53 | Xptic | I was thinking of doing Apache2 vice Apache |
| 12:05.20 | PerfDave | Xptic: "Apache2 vice Apache"? |
| 12:05.30 | kentpaul | Hi, what is responsible for a slow redraw of windows on X ? when i use opaque window movements, especially with xterms and firefox/openoffice ...etc, the redraw can sometimes take upto 5 seconds |
| 12:05.35 | stew | Xptic: if you install that package it will pull in both apache2 and php4 as dependencies |
| 12:05.36 | alfadir | PerfDave: any way to make sure the USB device stays the same after a disconnect (physical) in X ? X looses track of it, but /dev/input/eventX continues to spew data :) |
| 12:05.46 | Xptic | ok |
| 12:05.54 | alfadir | PerfDave: disconnect and reconnect that is :) |
| 12:05.58 | PerfDave | alfadir: No idea, sorry. FWIW, it always ended up on /dev/input/mice for me. |
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| 12:06.24 | alfadir | PerfDave: ok will have a look at the mousedev module.. |
| 12:06.28 | alfadir | PerfDave: Thanks.. |
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| 12:07.00 | Xptic | And what's all this crap about mysql modules for PHP? Do I need that, or just mysql-server? |
| 12:07.13 | Resonant | ok, you guys kick ass |
| 12:07.15 | Resonant | thanks for all your help |
| 12:07.17 | stew | Xptic: you need php4-mysql |
| 12:07.23 | Xptic | k |
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| 12:07.59 | cahoot | alfadir: isn't that what udev is about? |
| 12:08.27 | lonewolff | hi there again, just another quick question, i have an install of sarge and would like to re install sarge, can i start a net install from inside linux? (i have lost the boot cd uc) |
| 12:08.56 | stew | lonewolff: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 12:09.08 | alfadir | cahoot: ok. will read up on that. moved to 2.6 yesterday to get my new shiny MX510 to work.. it works but dies on Disconnects after 5 min. thanks for the hint. |
| 12:09.30 | stew | lonewolff: why do you want to reinstall in the first place? |
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| 12:09.39 | Krisso | hey guys.. |
| 12:09.54 | Krisso | whats the best method to burn cds comfortably under x? |
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| 12:10.01 | lonewolff | stew: i was to wipe the drives and re partition (the machine was set up as a server and i now want to use it as a desktop system |
| 12:10.15 | stew | oh, then forget the reinstall factoid |
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| 12:10.35 | stew | lonewolff: you should look at debbootstrap |
| 12:10.50 | stew | lonewolff: err s/bb/b/ |
| 12:10.59 | lonewolff | i suppose it would just be easier to download a new netinstall iso ... |
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| 12:13.02 | wishie | if i want to unzip a large number of zip files in 1 dir, how can i do this using 'for' ? |
| 12:13.54 | Krisso | for $* do; |
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| 12:14.18 | Krisso | and determine filecount for the condition |
| 12:14.27 | wishie | for $i in 'ls' ? |
| 12:14.29 | wishie | or something ? |
| 12:14.37 | wishie | i have no idea about for, just want to learn |
| 12:14.55 | war- | for I in * |
| 12:14.55 | war- | do |
| 12:14.57 | stew | wishie: for i in *.zip ; do unzip $i ; done |
| 12:14.58 | war- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.58 | war- | done |
| 12:15.15 | war- | or unzip $I -o (so it doesnt prompt you to overwrit) |
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| 12:15.28 | Flimzy | for i in *.zip; do unzip $i; done would be better |
| 12:15.34 | Flimzy | then you don't try to unzip non-zip files |
| 12:15.40 | stew | actually it should be unzip "$i" in case you have spaces in filenames |
| 12:15.57 | Krisso | lol |
| 12:16.00 | Krisso | doctors |
| 12:16.00 | stew | but then actually the for loop would break entirely |
| 12:16.24 | wishie | heh |
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| 12:16.38 | wishie | didnt work |
| 12:16.41 | DarkFame | I need a lightweight web browser for X.. any suggestions? |
| 12:16.56 | wishie | cant open *.zip, *.zip.zip or *.zip.ZIP |
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| 12:17.41 | stew | wishie: that sounds like it didn't find any *.zip files at all |
| 12:17.55 | senin | if i have "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y" in my kernel config file do i need to pass "-initrd" to make-kpkg? |
| 12:18.07 | Flimzy | ls *.zip | xargs -o |
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| 12:18.40 | stew | Flimzy: you need a -n 1 argument to xargs there |
| 12:19.18 | stew | Flimzy: actually, what is -o? |
| 12:19.33 | Flimzy | stew: I have no idea what -o is for |
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| 12:19.45 | Flimzy | stew: I think I meant s/-o/unzip -o/ |
| 12:19.46 | wishie | its to tell unzip to overwrite |
| 12:19.51 | wishie | without confirmation |
| 12:20.09 | Flimzy | wishie: Yeah, but I didn't call unzip at all in my example |
| 12:20.17 | daft_ | senin, yes |
| 12:20.32 | wishie | Flimzy: true |
| 12:20.34 | stew | ls *.zip | xargs -n 1 unzip -o |
| 12:20.38 | Flimzy | Of course the entire exercise is a bit silly |
| 12:20.58 | Flimzy | unzipping a bunch of .zip files in a single directory without intervention is almost never going to be useful. |
| 12:21.31 | Lenny_ | DarkFame: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8322 |
| 12:21.49 | ArtVandalae | Reading on Distrowatch Debian's default DE seems to be GNOME, yet why is it when I select "Desktop" during installation, i log into KDE as opposed to GNOME? |
| 12:22.05 | caphuso | distrowatch is on crack |
| 12:22.08 | Flimzy | DarkFame: Lynx? tehehe |
| 12:22.13 | stew | ArtVandalae: don't bother reading distrowatch |
| 12:22.16 | Flimzy | DarkFame: You might look at dillo. |
| 12:22.17 | wishie | Flimzy: im downloading lots of sound loops, all of which are zipped |
| 12:22.47 | Flimzy | wishie: Even so, unzipping them _without intervention_ is probably not what you want. |
| 12:22.59 | senin | daft_ and then can i compile my filesystems as modules or do i need the ROMFS/CROMFS as built in the kernel |
| 12:23.02 | Flimzy | wishie: You probably don't want to overwrite non-identical files |
| 12:23.11 | petemc | ls | (while read; do unzip "$REPLY"; done) should handle spaces in filenames |
| 12:23.36 | simonrvn | ArtVandalae: them having a clue on what actually happens in the distro would help. in this case, they don't |
| 12:24.11 | tarzeau | this is good: http://taoriver.net/img/for_cw/floss-communications.png |
| 12:24.11 | caphuso | unzip \*.zip |
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| 12:24.16 | simonrvn | senin: s/CROMFS/cramfs/ |
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| 12:24.27 | Flimzy | wishie: perhaps you'd want to use the -d option to specifiy a unique extract location |
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| 12:24.49 | wishie | yeah, possibly, extract to a folder with the archive name |
| 12:25.10 | zAo^ | in Sarge, are kdelibs-devel and kdelibs-dev the same? |
| 12:25.16 | BeBoo | Heya. When using apt-get, is it possible to make it download the sources and all deps to the source package, and compile the deps and then compile the package? |
| 12:25.20 | stew | caphuso: that only works with one zipfile, right? the second would look like something you wanted to extract from the first, i think |
| 12:25.24 | simonrvn | zAo^: there is no kdelibs-devel |
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| 12:25.46 | zAo^ | What I thought. Thanks simonrvn |
| 12:25.51 | Flimzy | zAo^: Debian doesn't use -devel as a package naming convetion. |
| 12:25.55 | ArtVandalae | BeBoo, like Gentoo? |
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| 12:26.06 | BeBoo | yeah |
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| 12:26.09 | ArtVandalae | BeBoo, I think there's a apt-* for that... I'm trying to remember what it's called |
| 12:26.13 | caphuso | stew: no |
| 12:26.32 | ArtVandalae | BeBoo, it's apt-build |
| 12:26.35 | BeBoo | alot of programs (xmms, Eterm, gaim) keeps segmentain faulting with the binary packages |
| 12:26.37 | simonrvn | BeBoo: holy crap that's a lot of useless work. why not just install the build-dep, and then get the source |
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| 12:26.56 | ArtVandalae | !tell BeBoo about apt-build |
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| 12:27.03 | sonci | hi |
| 12:28.21 | valdyn | apt-build _sucks_ |
| 12:28.21 | sonci | somebody can help me to create .Xauthority file? |
| 12:28.21 | BeBoo | :p |
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| 12:28.21 | simonrvn | what BeBoo said probably (in fact, i'm sure it does) work better |
| 12:28.21 | zAo^ | Flimzy, I thought so. Only configure told me to install kdelibs-devel. I already have kdelibs-dev installed. So I just asked to be sure |
| 12:28.27 | idnar | apt-fu is better |
| 12:28.34 | idnar | but that's not the way to fix segfaults |
| 12:28.46 | stew | BeBoo: /msg dpkg source |
| 12:28.51 | valdyn | zAo^: configure does not know about debian packages |
| 12:29.27 | valdyn | zAo^: 'apt-get install kde-devel' may be what you need |
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| 12:29.49 | BeBoo | stew: build-dep just fetches the binary packages of the deps instead of compiling them |
| 12:30.15 | stew | BeBoo: yes |
| 12:30.49 | sonci | wath i can create and configure .Xauthority? |
| 12:31.03 | wishie | hmm, here is a test for you.. if i have several files in a dir, that i want to copy to /home/blah/bg<num>.mp3 |
| 12:31.16 | wishie | basically, i want a bg1.mp3, bg2.mp3 etc |
| 12:31.32 | BeBoo | cp /home/blah/bg*.mp3 /new/dir? :p |
| 12:31.50 | wishie | they are currently called other names.. |
| 12:31.54 | wishie | not bg<num> |
| 12:32.24 | wishie | i want to copy them from /blah/download/ to /home/blah/ but have them named as br<num>.mp3 |
| 12:32.55 | oaQ^ | how can I prevent X running from startup? |
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| 12:34.08 | simonrvn | oaQ^: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:34.40 | simonrvn | wishie: rename |
| 12:35.03 | stew | wishie: i=0 for x in /blah/download/*.mp3 ; do cp "$x" /home/blah/bg$i.mp3 ; i=$((i+1)) ; done |
| 12:35.24 | simonrvn | oooh :) |
| 12:35.34 | wishie | ill try that.. |
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| 12:36.08 | awj | Any Londoner in here? |
| 12:36.25 | simonrvn | london, ontario? |
| 12:36.26 | petemc | nah geezah |
| 12:36.35 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 12:36.37 | bob2 | guv'na |
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| 12:36.48 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 12:37.01 | wishie | hmm |
| 12:37.15 | wishie | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do' |
| 12:37.36 | simonrvn | wishie: um, the ; are important |
| 12:37.42 | wishie | i know |
| 12:37.47 | simonrvn | ok |
| 12:38.09 | awj | Well, random trivia question: Anyone know which London pub survived the great London fire? |
| 12:38.10 | wishie | they are there.. |
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| 12:38.16 | wishie | unless i cant see straight |
| 12:38.27 | DarkFame | which package is bbconf in? |
| 12:38.45 | simonrvn | awj: we don't do people's homework here |
| 12:42.02 | caphuso | wishie: try this instead: i=0; for a in *; do echo mv "$a" "${a%.mp3}$((i++)).mp3"; done |
| 12:42.02 | awj | It isn't homework, so much as a trivia question |
| 12:42.02 | wishie | simonrvn: yeah we do, im sure the answer is..the google pub |
| 12:42.02 | simonrvn | wishie: hehe |
| 12:42.02 | caphuso | DarkFame: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:42.02 | awj | I'm currently participating in a 50 hour trivia contest. |
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| 12:42.03 | DarkFame | thanks |
| 12:42.03 | simonrvn | well, at least you're honest about it... =) |
| 12:42.03 | Knight_Lord | awj Bell, Cannon Street |
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| 12:42.04 | wishie | caphuso: good, but.. |
| 12:42.04 | awj | Yeah, we've tried that. |
| 12:42.04 | wishie | thats not changing them to bg<num>, so ill try to figure that out |
| 12:42.04 | wishie | thanks for the help |
| 12:42.04 | BeBoo | Hm i have another annoying problem with X. When a new dialog pops up, or i start a new program, the graphics are lagging like it was a P75 with a 512kb gfx card - i'm using fluxbox as wm, and using nvidias drivers |
| 12:42.04 | wishie | you too simonrvn |
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| 12:42.04 | awj | Apparently, there are a number of pubs that claim to have survived the great London fire. |
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| 12:42.04 | simonrvn | well, it's a big deal, so i'm not surprised that some would claim it |
| 12:42.04 | Knight_Lord | awj and they are just looking for one? |
| 12:42.06 | simonrvn | (i.e., lie about it) |
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| 12:42.16 | thomas_adam | awj: Yes, and there were. |
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| 12:42.30 | thomas_adam | awj: The GLF didn't completely irradicate London. |
| 12:42.33 | simonrvn | sorry |
| 12:43.02 | Knight_Lord | awj Hoop & Grapes |
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| 12:43.47 | Knight_Lord | actually this one doesn't really count |
| 12:43.48 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 12:45.35 | cantona | msg nickserv identify 6644655 |
| 12:45.41 | simonrvn | woops |
| 12:45.45 | ildegar | nice |
| 12:45.48 | BeBoo | sweet |
| 12:45.51 | simonrvn | cantona: change your passwd |
| 12:46.02 | cantona | damn.,, |
| 12:46.06 | anymous | hello all, I just had a look at the bacula bugs, and found this: bacula-director-mysql is using bacula-director-common's init-script in its prerm script. That cannot be correct, can it? |
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| 12:46.24 | simonrvn | this is why you put it in your client's connect options... ;) |
| 12:46.27 | ribnitz | whats the easiest way to get an advocate? |
| 12:46.53 | BeBoo | wonders how long it will take to compile libc6 :p |
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| 12:47.04 | caphuso | anymous: why not? |
| 12:47.09 | ribnitz | BeBoo: don't.. |
| 12:47.19 | ribnitz | !gentooism |
| 12:47.27 | cantona | simonrvn: the xchat auto identify script sucks |
| 12:47.51 | anymous | caphuse: if I dpkg -r bacula-director-common bacula-directory-mysql the init script is removed before the prerm can invoke-rc.d it. |
| 12:47.59 | BeBoo | ribnitz: I'm used to FreeBSD ;) And its a Dual Xeon 2.8 so it cannot take that long |
| 12:48.11 | paulswm | cantona: I found it really simple |
| 12:48.16 | bob2 | ribnitz: do something useful |
| 12:48.20 | Rebecca | is there a way to automaticly identify and configure the soundcard on a debian system? |
| 12:48.25 | bob2 | if you have trouble finding one, you're not ready to join debian |
| 12:48.30 | ribnitz | BeBoo: the idea of debian is to compile as little as possible. |
| 12:48.44 | Resonant | how do I clear the dselect queue? |
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| 12:49.00 | BeBoo | ribnitz: well when all the binary packages are segmention faulting? :) |
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| 12:49.13 | ribnitz | bob2: does maintaining htdig, and always needing to contact someone to upload a new version count? |
| 12:49.18 | Knight_Lord | BeBoo that is clearly your fault |
| 12:49.19 | bob2 | ribnitz: no |
| 12:49.24 | DarkFame | hmmm.. any suggestions for a lightweight web browser? (No, Firefox is not light) |
| 12:49.31 | BeBoo | Knight_Lord: How can it be my fault? |
| 12:49.37 | BeBoo | DarkFame: lynx? :p |
| 12:49.40 | Resonant | DarkFame: nano? |
| 12:49.42 | bob2 | ribnitz: presumably your sponsor has at some point said "man, checking this is pointless, you know what you're doing, go sign up" |
| 12:49.49 | Knight_Lord | BeBoo things don't break with no reason |
| 12:49.52 | paulswm | BeBoo: which distribution are you using |
| 12:49.52 | bob2 | ribnitz: if not, and you think you have it under control, ask them |
| 12:49.55 | DarkFame | not text based. :) |
| 12:50.01 | BeBoo | paulswm: unstable |
| 12:50.04 | Resonant | heh, it was a good try :) |
| 12:50.21 | BeBoo | Well opera is kinda a light browser |
| 12:50.33 | Knight_Lord | Opera is the browser :-P |
| 12:50.36 | ribnitz | bob2: no, they haven't. though I'll ask them after getting htdig3.2. into experimental |
| 12:50.41 | bob2 | yeah |
| 12:50.49 | paulswm | BeBoo: things break in sid, but if you have an uncontaminated distro you shouldn't have stuff segfaulting all over the place |
| 12:51.05 | DarkFame | I'll try Opera |
| 12:51.05 | caphuso | anymous: what happens if you don't try to be more clever than proper package management frontends and use "apt-get remove bacula-director-common" instead? |
| 12:51.07 | paulswm | BeBoo: How did you get to sid? Upgrade from sarge? |
| 12:51.13 | ribnitz | DarkFame: Opera is not in debian main. |
| 12:51.21 | stew | BeBoo: i'd give memtest86 a shot |
| 12:51.22 | anymous | caphuso: so is dpkg deprecated then? |
| 12:51.30 | caphuso | anymous: uh, no |
| 12:51.32 | DarkFame | ribnitz: contrib? |
| 12:51.39 | ribnitz | DarkFame: non-free. |
| 12:51.56 | anymous | well, apt-get will of course do the right thing... |
| 12:51.58 | BeBoo | paulswm: Its sarge, not sid |
| 12:52.00 | caphuso | anymous: dpkg is a pretty low-level tool, you're supposed to know what you are doing when using it |
| 12:52.01 | Knight_Lord | DarkFame you can get the latest debian packages for Opera from opera.com. They package it for sarge sid and woody |
| 12:52.09 | Resonant | how do I clear the dselect queue? due to some faulty keypresses and some stupidity on my part, it now wants to remove KDE and a bunch of associated packages |
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| 12:52.30 | DarkFame | Knight_Lord, I am as we speak. :) |
| 12:52.43 | caphuso | Resonant: did you exit the package selection screen? |
| 12:52.47 | anymous | caphuso: ok, not convinced but fine |
| 12:52.48 | Resonant | yes |
| 12:52.54 | Resonant | unfortunately |
| 12:53.03 | ribnitz | DarkFame: use some free one, like mozilla-firefox. |
| 12:53.17 | Resonant | ribnitz: apparently firefox isn't lightweight enough |
| 12:53.20 | paulswm | BeBoo: sarge is testing, not unstable. I guarantee you that packages are not going to segfault in a clean sarge installation, so wherever the problem is, it's not libc6 |
| 12:53.41 | ribnitz | Resonant: I dont see anything more lightweight. |
| 12:53.43 | caphuso | Resonant: ok, quit dselect, cd /var/lib/dpkg/; cp status status-backup; cp status-old status; pray |
| 12:53.50 | paulswm | BeBoo: Like stew said, check your memory maybe |
| 12:54.03 | BeBoo | paulswm: Hmm i got that wrong then :) |
| 12:54.23 | BeBoo | well i compiled xmms from source, and i that haven't segfaulted since |
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| 12:54.34 | BeBoo | And i had zero problems on bsd |
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| 12:54.46 | ribnitz | BeBoo: Debian isnt bsd |
| 12:54.54 | paulswm | BeBoo: are you mixing distros, i.e. have you installed any packages from sid |
| 12:55.01 | BeBoo | nope, only unstable |
| 12:55.13 | paulswm | BeBoo: sid *is* unstalbe |
| 12:55.13 | BeBoo | ribnitz: i know, but if it was the memory i should have some problems in bsd too |
| 12:55.13 | ribnitz | BeBoo: unstable is sid. |
| 12:55.31 | BeBoo | argh i keep messing thoose to up :o |
| 12:55.35 | ribnitz | BeBoo: do a clean Sarge/Testing install. |
| 12:55.49 | paulswm | BeBoo: ^^ |
| 12:55.52 | ribnitz | BeBoo: and dont import things from sid. |
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| 12:56.07 | Resonant | no luck caphuso |
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| 12:56.40 | BeBoo | I can't downgrade from sid? :/ |
| 12:56.43 | birilo_nilo | Fala povo |
| 12:56.46 | ribnitz | BeBoo: no. |
| 12:56.46 | paulswm | BeBoo: It looks like something maybe installed from outside the sarge distro has screwed up your system |
| 12:57.04 | paulswm | BeBoo: YOU SAID YOU WERE RUNNING SARGE |
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| 12:57.27 | birilo_nilo | Sorry.... Wrong debian's chanel |
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| 12:57.45 | ribnitz | BeBoo: if you run sarge, /etc/debian_version should say 3.1 |
| 12:57.56 | Rebecca | is there a way to automaticly identify and configure the soundcard on a debian system? |
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| 12:58.00 | BeBoo | Well then i run sarge |
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| 12:58.14 | ribnitz | Rebecca: alsaconf |
| 12:58.17 | simonrvn | 3.1 |
| 12:58.22 | simonrvn | mine says that too |
| 12:58.27 | paulswm | BeBoo: Then reinstall |
| 12:58.33 | Rebecca | ill give that a try ribnitz, thanks :0 |
| 12:58.34 | Rebecca | :)* |
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| 12:58.37 | BeBoo | argh |
| 12:58.39 | simonrvn | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 12:58.39 | simonrvn | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 12:58.47 | simonrvn | *that's* what matters |
| 12:58.52 | thomas_adam | Perhaps a better way is to determine the version of libc6 that is installed. |
| 12:59.05 | disc-q | unstable? think it must be testing |
| 12:59.06 | simonrvn | no, best is from the freaking sources.lists |
| 12:59.11 | simonrvn | list* |
| 12:59.35 | ribnitz | simonrvn: ups, mine (clean sid install) says 3.1 |
| 12:59.36 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: You find them scary? |
| 13:00.11 | simonrvn | not at all. well some, esp. when they have 3rd-party sources in it =;) |
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| 13:00.28 | BeBoo | I can't just go compile libc6 or apt-build world instead of a reinstall? :p i would hate to re-install the computer :o |
| 13:00.49 | paulswm | BeBoo: And be careful, if you install external software, not to overwrite critical things like libraries and stuff from external sources |
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| 13:01.24 | ribnitz | BeBoo: reinstalling the thing ktakes like 45-60 mins. |
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| 13:01.43 | BeBoo | Well setting up everything again in X and stuff :/ |
| 13:01.44 | paulswm | BeBoo: The alternative is to restore your system from your backups, if you have cycles going back far enough |
| 13:01.46 | Skaag | is there a guide available on making a netboot install of D-I? |
| 13:02.29 | ribnitz | Skaag: its like regular netboot, I guess. |
| 13:02.38 | TolkienLuver | Are there any kind of debian mailing list to inform you about the latest updates on the packages? |
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| 13:02.57 | TolkienLuver | and one mailing list that notifys us about debian security updates? |
| 13:03.05 | Skaag | ribnitz: I just found a guide on the d-i page |
| 13:03.06 | Vladi1 | bogofilter stoped working? i seems every msg gets "spamicity=0.520000" can someone please help? |
| 13:03.15 | Skaag | ribnitz: It was just stuck all the way at the bottom |
| 13:03.16 | Skaag | :-) |
| 13:03.17 | paulswm | BeBoo: When things break, it is always a pain in the ass to fix, welcome to the world of System Administration. The thing is to be careful not to break them in the first place, and back up your system before making any significant changes |
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| 13:03.28 | simonrvn | TolkienLuver: debian-security-announce. http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 13:03.37 | Skaag | ribnitz: Yah it is inda like regular netboot, and i'm doing that today... just wanted to make sure I have everything done by the book |
| 13:03.38 | VoX | what are the X config programs? i've run xf86config but X still wont start(has errors saying card has insufficient memmory) |
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| 13:04.00 | BeBoo | paulswm: i just dont have any idea on how i could brake them in the first place |
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| 13:04.08 | BeBoo | but i'm looking for the deb cd right now :/ |
| 13:04.26 | TolkienLuver | thank you. |
| 13:04.28 | paulswm | BeBoo: Did you install any software which was not a debian sarge package, for instance |
| 13:04.50 | BeBoo | well i realised i wasn't sarge but sid, but mplayer/java/jedit/skype |
| 13:04.54 | lord_rob | Hi again ! I pressed '-' by accident in aptitude, in a node that contains a lot of subprograms, so I asked to remove them. Now there are a lot of packages stated as broken. I didn't ask aptitude to do anything. How do I ask it to restore its settings to my actual configuration ? |
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| 13:05.34 | BeBoo | it's even more messed up, cause the newest debian cd i have is potato :p |
| 13:05.37 | paulswm | BeBoo: Think back to when the system was OK. What did you do between then and the time when things started segfaulting. |
| 13:05.41 | parisnet | GELOO |
| 13:05.43 | parisnet | HELLO |
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| 13:06.00 | paulswm | BeBoo: Do you have a fast insternet connection? |
| 13:06.05 | paulswm | internet |
| 13:06.12 | VoX | lord_rob: check in /var/log/aptitude there'll be a list of the packages it removed in there |
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| 13:06.18 | BeBoo | paulswm: xmms and gaim core dumped from the very first day |
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| 13:06.27 | BeBoo | its a 2mbit dsl |
| 13:06.35 | parisnet | For knoopix distro, is esencial end cd burn? |
| 13:06.45 | paulswm | BeBoo: Then you can do a sarge netinstall |
| 13:06.48 | simonrvn | #knoppix |
| 13:07.02 | Rebecca | im trying to setup my soundcard, and alsaconf didnt detect it.. what else should i try? |
| 13:07.02 | macnamara | Would someone be so kind to help me configure eMule so that downloads will be faster? I need something to adjust in the router but don't know how. |
| 13:07.02 | parisnet | Sorry, thanks |
| 13:07.07 | parisnet | simonrvn =) thx |
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| 13:07.10 | BeBoo | paulswm: i dont have a (working) cd burner, nor a floppy drive |
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| 13:07.30 | svente | I just posted a bugreport about wmaker on amd64 including strace-output. I actually don't know what to read from this output. Can some expert take a look at it? |
| 13:07.35 | takatumi | lord_rob: has it already been removed or just marked? |
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| 13:08.10 | lord_rob | takatumi: only marked |
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| 13:08.36 | lord_rob | takatumi: but when I quit aptitude and start it again, they are still marked |
| 13:08.39 | simonrvn | not that big a deal. just maybe a bit time consuming |
| 13:08.42 | takatumi | lord_rob: hit ":" on the main tree. ("?" will explain) |
| 13:08.43 | paulswm | BeBoo: There may be a way to install from a HD, but I'm not familiar with it, perhaps someone sle here can help. |
| 13:09.25 | macnamara | sorry aMule to be exactly |
| 13:09.41 | jaro | I came to a very discomforting state lately. Used dselect and accidentaly marked a bunch of packages for upgrade (from unstable branch). I want to get the selections back to the state in which the system currently is (no upgrade at all), but I don't know how. |
| 13:09.46 | BeBoo | I've might have a external usb burner |
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| 13:10.38 | paulswm | BeBoo: I just had a though. When you update your system do you do apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 13:10.40 | jaro | It also disables me to use apt-get dist-upgrade, because it wants to perform that massive upgrade. |
| 13:10.43 | paulswm | thought |
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| 13:10.47 | Blissex | jaro: 'deselect' is slightly awkward to use, I suggest you use 'aptitude' instead |
| 13:10.49 | BeBoo | paulswm: dist-upgrade |
| 13:10.50 | Rebecca | macnamara: to make full use of aMule, you need to forward certain ports on your firewall |
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| 13:11.12 | Blissex | jaro: but 'dselect' stores its selection list in a file, you can just delete that file. |
| 13:11.16 | brabo | hi room |
| 13:11.22 | macnamara | Rebecca: I know, but dunno how, can you give a little help? |
| 13:11.25 | BeBoo | or well, switching from potato to unstable i use dist-upgrade, but with ordinary updates i just use upgrade |
| 13:11.25 | paulswm | BeBoo: was hoping you'd say 'upgrade' and a 'dist-upgrade' might have fixed everything :( |
| 13:11.35 | brabo | how 're u doing rebecca. |
| 13:11.49 | wishie | if i want to send all output of a program to /dev/null, what do i do ? >/dev/null does stdout, and 2>/dev/null does stderr, correct ? |
| 13:11.52 | jaro | Blissex: in what file? Are you sure? apt-get is well aware of these selections, is it correct? |
| 13:11.53 | wishie | but how do i do both ? |
| 13:12.06 | Rebecca | macnamara: i can tell you which ports i have forwarded, but unless your firewall is ipcop, i cant tell you how it's done |
| 13:12.25 | Blissex | wishie: thats not a Debian question, but you do '1>/dev/null 2>&1' |
| 13:12.33 | jaro | whisie: expect redirection of stderr to stdout. I thik that 2>&1 >/dev/null |
| 13:12.39 | brabo | hhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 13:12.49 | Blissex | jaro: yes, 'dselect' and 'apt-get' use the same selections... |
| 13:13.00 | lord_rob | takatumi: well, i did apt-get remove --purge aptitude and reinstalled it. Sometimes dirty methods work best :) |
| 13:13.23 | jaro | if I delete the file, dselect generates the selections based on the current state? Am I right? |
| 13:13.27 | BeBoo | paulswm: what would happen if i downgraded from unstable to sid? |
| 13:13.34 | BeBoo | argh |
| 13:13.41 | takatumi | lord_rob: that is silly. read the help, hit "?", it's explained well. |
| 13:13.41 | BeBoo | from sid to sarge! :p |
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| 13:13.51 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 13:13.51 | dpkg | i heard downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 13:14.30 | Blissex | jaro: sort of. But again, dont use 'dselect'... |
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| 13:14.36 | jk3 | hmm, rdesktop terminates himself after some time of inactivity. or does it segfault? where do I turn that off? |
| 13:15.03 | RainbowW | hopefully the prce error in apache2 will go way soon. it's broken lotsa shit here. :( |
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| 13:15.31 | Blissex | jk3: it is more likely that your firewall terminates the connection after some inactivity. |
| 13:15.39 | Rebecca | how do i get my soundcard configured if alsaconf fails to work? |
| 13:15.41 | thomas_adam | RainbowW: And the reason you need Apache2 is....? |
| 13:15.54 | thomas_adam | Rebecca: Which card have you got? |
| 13:16.06 | RainbowW | thomas_adam: because i've had it installed for several months and going to apache1.3 would be non-trivial. |
| 13:16.06 | jk3 | Blissex: no firewalll between client & server... |
| 13:16.11 | peterS | Rebecca: what sound card, do you know? |
| 13:16.19 | thomas_adam | lspci |
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| 13:17.40 | BeBoo | is there any netboot cd with the e1000 driver? |
| 13:18.10 | asg | BeBoo: the sarge one (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 13:18.11 | Rebecca | thomas_adam, peterS: ADI soundmax |
| 13:18.14 | Skaag | how do I add more drivers for network cards to a D-I netboot image? |
| 13:18.17 | BeBoo | ok |
| 13:18.26 | Rebecca | thomas_adam, peterS: which i think is a via chip |
| 13:18.29 | thomas_adam | Rebecca: And doubtless you have checked www.alsa.org to see if it is listed there as supported? |
| 13:18.52 | asg | Skaag: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
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| 13:18.54 | peterS | Rebecca: yeah, I'm not sure what that one is. try this: lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $4}' |
| 13:19.19 | peterS | Rebecca: it'll print a string of numbers, xxxx:yyyy, and I can use those numbers to tell you what module you need |
| 13:19.22 | Rebecca | peterS: test1:~# lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $4}' |
| 13:19.22 | Rebecca | (rev |
| 13:19.22 | BeBoo | hmm the netinst is a 100mb iso? :p |
| 13:19.39 | thomas_adam | BeBoo: Tiny, yes. Everything is done over the net. |
| 13:19.42 | asg | BeBoo: the business card image is only ~30M |
| 13:19.44 | peterS | Rebecca: eh. some versions of lspci are different - try $3 instead of $4 |
| 13:19.56 | Rebecca | 1106:3059 |
| 13:19.56 | Rebecca | ok |
| 13:20.08 | asg | peterS: I always go for the $4 version of lspci because I'm spoiled :) |
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| 13:20.20 | peterS | Rebecca: right, that's a via 823x |
| 13:20.30 | Rebecca | okay :) |
| 13:20.37 | Rebecca | and... that's a good thing? |
| 13:20.37 | peterS | Rebecca: add two lines to /etc/modules: "snd_via82xx" and "snd_pcm_oss" |
| 13:20.46 | Rebecca | ok |
| 13:20.48 | BeBoo | thomas_adam: well the woody netinsts i like 3mb? :p |
| 13:20.54 | thomas_adam | asg: You're molding? |
| 13:21.01 | peterS | Rebecca: then load those two modules with "modprobe snd_via82xx" and "modprobe snd_pcm_oss" |
| 13:21.07 | thomas_adam | BeBoo: That one you quoted probably includes base. |
| 13:21.09 | asg | thomas_adam: yeast buildup from too much foaming ale I expect. |
| 13:21.14 | peterS | the /etc/modules thing is so that the modules will be loaded next time you boot |
| 13:21.14 | thomas_adam | Ha. |
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| 13:22.07 | Rebecca | peterS: okay, done that, and rebooting now |
| 13:22.08 | Rebecca | :) |
| 13:22.12 | peterS | Rebecca: no need to reboot |
| 13:22.17 | Rebecca | lol |
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| 13:22.21 | Rebecca | ok :) |
| 13:22.43 | Starfury^ | Blissex: you about? |
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| 13:23.03 | peterS | you know, I wonder when lspci changed its output format. it had to be relatively recently |
| 13:23.33 | thomas_adam | peterS: Changelog. |
| 13:23.50 | peterS | thomas_adam: I checked the debian changelog, no indicator. was too lazy to read the upstream changelog, but I think I will now |
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| 13:24.42 | Skaag | asg: I don't want to make an iso |
| 13:24.51 | Skaag | i'm doing netboot |
| 13:25.00 | BeBoo | hmm usb memory stick installer :p |
| 13:25.36 | takatumi | BeBoo: leave some goodies for the next time you break your system :P |
| 13:25.48 | BeBoo | haha good idea :p |
| 13:25.50 | thomas_adam | BeBoo: Just what is it you're trying to do, or asking? |
| 13:26.05 | Rebecca | peterS: alsaconf still doesnt detect the card |
| 13:26.15 | Rebecca | s/card/device |
| 13:26.29 | peterS | Rebecca: you shouldn't need to run alsaconf, you already configured alsa manually |
| 13:27.11 | takatumi | alsaconf never worked here either. |
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| 13:28.25 | Rebecca | peterS: xmms reports the error: "failed to open audio output: ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin" |
| 13:28.38 | peterS | Rebecca: you did a 'modprobe snd_via82xx' already? |
| 13:28.47 | Rebecca | nope |
| 13:28.52 | peterS | ahh - do that |
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| 13:29.11 | takatumi | but if she rebooted, it may already be loaded from /etc/modules |
| 13:29.21 | peterS | takatumi: I told her she didn't have to reboot (: |
| 13:29.37 | takatumi | peterS: thought it was too late :) |
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| 13:29.43 | wye | hi all |
| 13:29.49 | peterS | I've heard many more stories of alsaconf failing than alsaconf succeeding. maybe it sometimes works and people just don't complain in #debian in those cases |
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| 13:30.05 | stew | peterS: i think thats likely |
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| 13:30.09 | stew | peterS: i for one didn't complain :) |
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| 13:30.24 | Rebecca | modprobe: Can't locate module snd_via82xx |
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| 13:30.43 | peterS | Rebecca: oh, are you on a 2.4.x kernel? try snd-via82xx with a hyphen instead of an underscore |
| 13:30.51 | Skaag | will it be absolutely horrible if I stick a 2.6.9 kernel module into a 2.6.8 initrd? |
| 13:31.01 | Skaag | (as a temporary solution) |
| 13:31.08 | Rebecca | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-via82xx |
| 13:31.09 | asg | Skaag: at the very worst, it won't work |
| 13:31.12 | peterS | Skaag: it won't work |
| 13:31.18 | Skaag | blergh |
| 13:31.31 | peterS | Rebecca: sounds like you don't have the appropriate alsa modules package installed. what is your kernel version? "uname -r" will tell |
| 13:31.33 | Skaag | I need a yukon network card and the debian installer uses 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 13:31.40 | wye | i have a conceptronic wireless adsl modem, it has linux, i had change some iptables rule by telnet, but i cant write the new config :( somebody know how can i write that? |
| 13:31.46 | Rebecca | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 13:31.51 | Skaag | i'm doomed |
| 13:32.00 | peterS | Rebecca: right, so install 'alsa-modules-2.4.27-1.386' |
| 13:32.17 | paulswm | !comfort Skaag |
| 13:32.17 | dpkg | There, there, Skaag. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:32.23 | stew | !wayttd Skaag |
| 13:32.23 | asg | Skaag: you could always bootstrap an install using Knoppix or something else using debootstrap |
| 13:32.23 | peterS | I mean, alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 13:32.24 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Skaag? |
| 13:32.43 | Skaag | hm. |
| 13:32.51 | Skaag | I don't have a cdrom here |
| 13:32.56 | Skaag | but i'm going to try something else... |
| 13:33.25 | Rebecca | peterS: E: Couldn't find package alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 13:33.26 | stew | Skaag: you need to install with a card only supported in 2.6.9? |
| 13:33.33 | VoX | why would alsa not recognise a specific soundcard, even tho alsa support for the specific card is compiled into the kernel, and lspci picks up the card? |
| 13:33.47 | asg | stew: or non-broken in 2.6.9 (like the tg3 driver) |
| 13:34.07 | helix | tarzeau: thanks :P |
| 13:34.10 | websdale | wye:do you mean you changed iptables rules that are in the modem, not your machine? |
| 13:34.10 | Skaag | stew: yes |
| 13:34.11 | peterS | Rebecca: hmmmm. not sure why alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-386 would not exist |
| 13:34.19 | stew | Skaag: do you currenlty have a working system? whats on there now? |
| 13:34.22 | Skaag | stew: It's the Marvel Yukon 1gbe network card |
| 13:34.23 | Blissex | VoX: because perhaps the module is not loaded? or the module is not a module? Or becasue it is an unsupported variant of that card? |
| 13:34.31 | Blissex | VoX: also, ask these questions in #ALSA |
| 13:34.32 | thomas_adam | Awww. :) |
| 13:34.39 | Rebecca | peterS: ill update my apt DB and try again |
| 13:34.44 | VoX | Blissex: righto |
| 13:34.46 | tarzeau | helix: marga's written some very cool docs -- i came across something today on p.d.o |
| 13:34.57 | peterS | Rebecca: well, I notice unstable has a 2.4.27-2-* series of kernels now, and alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-* also exist |
| 13:35.00 | Skaag | stew: I managed to boot that box into 2.6.9 via a tftp server I have, so it's booted and i'm logged in as root now, i'm going to try to replace the images on the box's local hard drive now |
| 13:35.08 | helix | tarzeau: marga is awesome |
| 13:35.15 | wye | websdale, yes in the adsl router. |
| 13:35.29 | stew | Skaag: can you debootstrap from the currently running system? |
| 13:35.34 | Skaag | yes |
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| 13:36.54 | wye | websdale, but like i cant save, i lose that rules when someone turn off that adsl router :( |
| 13:37.13 | BeBoo | Hmm, i know it isn't a debian question, but isn't it possible to export filters and accounts in thunderbird? :| |
| 13:37.43 | Rebecca | peterS: okay, installing alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 13:37.52 | websdale | wye:have you looked at the modem docs - cos how the modem works isn't a Debian thing is it? - you need to know how to write to the firmware on the modem |
| 13:37.59 | peterS | Rebecca: well, you also need kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 13:38.37 | peterS | Rebecca: also, you probably want to use 2.4.27-2-586tsc or 2.4.27-2-686 or similar, depending on your CPU |
| 13:38.39 | Rebecca | peterS: yup, apt-get is installing that too |
| 13:39.19 | wye | websdale, yes i had read the doc, but it only shows how to use it by the web interface, and dont say anything about that this modem uses linux :( thanks man ;) |
| 13:39.25 | peterS | I mean, if you're updating your kernel anyway, you may as well get one that more closely matches your CPU capabilities. unless your computer is extremely old, -586tsc at least will work |
| 13:39.28 | Rebecca | peterS: will installig a more modern kernel break my sound setup... when i eventually get it working? |
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| 13:39.43 | Skaag | ok why would grub tell me that the selected item cannot fit into memory? |
| 13:39.44 | peterS | Rebecca: if your kernel-image and alsa-modules packages have matching names, that's what matters |
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| 13:39.56 | Skaag | is it possible I gave it too small a ramdisk? |
| 13:39.56 | chandu | hi |
| 13:40.09 | thomas_adam | Skaag: Asked in #grub? |
| 13:40.13 | lotusleaf | Is there an Official Debian webforums (not: mailing-list, nntp newsgroup, etc.) |
| 13:40.14 | Skaag | will do. thanks. |
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| 13:40.17 | macnamara | what is the linux code, like ipconfig? |
| 13:40.23 | asg | macnamara: ifconfig |
| 13:40.24 | Rebecca | peterS: it's an amd sempron 2200 :) |
| 13:40.26 | thomas_adam | lotusleaf: Not that I know of. Forums suck. |
| 13:40.32 | lotusleaf | thomas_adam heh ;) |
| 13:40.38 | peterS | Rebecca: then you probably want the -2-k7 packages |
| 13:40.39 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 13:40.44 | asg | lotusleaf: debianhelp.net maybe but it isn't official |
| 13:40.45 | peterS | Rebecca: k7 meaning Athlon series |
| 13:40.50 | macnamara | asg: k, thanks! |
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| 13:40.52 | paulswm | lotusleaf: What's available is listed on debian.org |
| 13:40.57 | lotusleaf | asg thx ;) |
| 13:41.01 | lotusleaf | paulswm thx ;) |
| 13:41.07 | chandu | has anybody tried connecting their laptop to a projector for presentation |
| 13:41.30 | asg | chandu: I connect my laptop to an external monitor at work so that should be the same thing. |
| 13:41.43 | Rebecca | peterS: i want to keep it at 386 for now, but thanks :) |
| 13:41.44 | paulswm | lotusleaf: debianhelp isn't official like asg said but you may find it useful |
| 13:41.50 | chandu | yeah |
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| 13:42.09 | lotusleaf | paulswm thx ;) |
| 13:42.09 | peterS | Rebecca: heh, your choice. you won't notice much if any difference in performance |
| 13:42.09 | chandu | asg: how did you do that |
| 13:42.09 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 13:42.32 | asg | chandu: plug the cable in the laptop, hit Fn+F8 (on this latitude) and then, and only then, startx |
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| 13:42.47 | peterS | Rebecca: while you're waiting for apt-get, you should edit /etc/modules and change the _ to - in those module names. snd-via82xx and snd-pcm-oss |
| 13:42.54 | chandu | hmm |
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| 13:43.21 | chandu | i haveth cable connected right now, but the Fn F8 is not working |
| 13:43.28 | Rebecca | peterS: okay, thank for all the help :) |
| 13:43.28 | Rebecca | thanks* |
| 13:43.43 | asg | chandu: it might be a different key on your laptop. Also, check your bios setting to make sure it is enabled. |
| 13:44.03 | hoxu6 | t |
| 13:44.09 | paulswm | Actually, it is terribly polite here this morning. Nice. |
| 13:44.20 | peterS | no problem |
| 13:44.21 | chandu | well i booted into X and hit the ket but no use, |
| 13:44.24 | asg | paulswm: the Sunday malaise has yet to set in though |
| 13:44.25 | lotusleaf | paulswm thx ;) |
| 13:44.34 | chandu | do you suggest i start X from command line |
| 13:44.40 | peterS | Rebecca: you'll have to reboot into the 2.4.27-2-386 kernel. as you probably already figured out. |
| 13:44.49 | paulswm | !beats lotusleaf with the excessive politeness stick |
| 13:44.51 | chandu | mine is Dell 700m, its the same key |
| 13:44.54 | paulswm | That's better :) |
| 13:44.57 | asg | chandu: check your bios first, it might not be enabled. |
| 13:45.07 | lotusleaf | asg: I checked out that site, it seems to have a small amount of posts. I guess i'll stick with LQ's Debian subforums discussion area where there's more. Thx though. ;) |
| 13:45.11 | nullvoid | peterS: both my desktop and laptop alsa died after upgrading the alsa package |
| 13:45.23 | chandu | ok, i'll check it and come to the channel after some time |
| 13:45.25 | peterS | nullvoid: no kidding? I've never heard of such a thing |
| 13:45.31 | nullvoid | yes |
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| 13:45.36 | asg | lotusleaf: it used to have a lot of content, it might have been purged recently but I don't know. |
| 13:45.55 | jvw | lotusleaf: forums.debian.net |
| 13:45.58 | lotusleaf | asg: looks like it redirects to .org, maybe they did more than a redirect, thx regardless. ;) |
| 13:46.00 | paulswm | asg: Yes, the majority of the Eastern .us will be up and on line shortly |
| 13:46.09 | asg | lotusleaf: you're welcome |
| 13:46.34 | nullvoid | peterS: even after alsaconf, my volume manager can't change the volume level. |
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| 13:46.36 | peterS | paulswm: you figure the majority of eastern .us is up and online by 9 in the morning on a Sunday? |
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| 13:46.55 | lotusleaf | jvw: thx ;) |
| 13:46.56 | javamaniac | hello there |
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| 13:47.19 | javamaniac | my xfree conf is busted |
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| 13:47.33 | paulswm | peterS: No, but the Sunday crowd with no friends and no lives may be. |
| 13:47.37 | javamaniac | the keyboard dont do nothing |
| 13:47.46 | javamaniac | none the mouse |
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| 13:47.59 | javamaniac | how can i fix it,plz |
| 13:48.03 | peterS | paulswm: I'm just one hour west of there and I'm still trying to get myself to go to bed (: |
| 13:48.12 | paulswm | peterS: Like me for instance :) |
| 13:48.18 | asg | peterS: allnighter? |
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| 13:48.30 | peterS | asg: I don't think of it that way, I think of it as regular waking hours |
| 13:48.41 | peterS | asg: just a bit later than usual - normally I go to bed something like 3 hours ago |
| 13:48.42 | asg | peterS: there you go |
| 13:48.54 | javamaniac | can someone help me?? |
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| 13:48.59 | javamaniac | my xfree conf is busted |
| 13:49.18 | paulswm | peterS: We would be good shift partners, I go to bed about 2200 and up at 0400 |
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| 13:49.24 | valdyn | javamaniac: /msg dpkg x md5 and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:49.26 | peterS | paulswm: heh |
| 13:49.30 | asg | paulswm: sounds like my schedule |
| 13:49.49 | peterS | paulswm: I don't think I could get by on 6 hours of sleep every night. I can do it for a couple nights in a row, but it catches up to me |
| 13:50.02 | stew | its been my schedule lately, i'm normally on peterS's schedule but i haven't been able to fix it since i last travelled |
| 13:50.05 | nullvoid | .....Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit..... < how do I tell my application and libr...? |
| 13:50.20 | paulswm | peterS: I find that one needs less sleep as one gets older. |
| 13:50.26 | javamaniac | where i can find kde 3.3.2 in .deb format?? |
| 13:50.30 | peterS | nullvoid: depends on the app. a lot of them have plugin configurations where you can enable the alsa output plugin |
| 13:50.46 | bob2 | javamaniac: #debian-kde |
| 13:50.56 | javamaniac | thankz |
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| 13:52.09 | breakballs | salve |
| 13:52.15 | Skaag | can i somehow make /proc available in a chrooted environment? |
| 13:52.31 | peterS | Skaag: sure, just mount it. 'mount -t proc none /your/chroot/proc' |
| 13:52.32 | penguin42 | Skaag: You can mount it again within the chroot - but becareful; it isn't very secure |
| 13:52.34 | asg | Skaag: yes, just mount it |
| 13:52.38 | Skaag | thanks |
| 13:52.43 | bob2 | penguin42: how is it insecure? |
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| 13:52.50 | bob2 | if /proc is exploitable, YHL anyway |
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| 13:53.20 | breakballs | only english?? |
| 13:53.24 | peterS | bob2: presumably he means because people can see other people's process names, command line args, and environment |
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| 13:53.25 | breakballs | no italian? |
| 13:53.26 | bob2 | yes |
| 13:53.28 | asg | breakballs: yes, #debian-it for italian |
| 13:53.32 | penguin42 | bob2: Well as root theres loads of stuff you can change; but thats only a problem if you thought you were safe with root stuff in a chroot |
| 13:53.40 | bob2 | right |
| 13:53.43 | Skaag | show I have a heart attack because install-mbr failed? |
| 13:53.46 | breakballs | yes..thanks.. |
| 13:53.51 | bob2 | but ig you have root, you can mount /proc anyway :) |
| 13:53.53 | breakballs | hi boys.. |
| 13:54.01 | Skaag | or will the system boot without it? |
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| 13:54.20 | penguin42 | bob2: I thought you could turn off the capability that stops you mounting stuff? |
| 13:54.27 | penguin42 | Skaag: That depends why it failed |
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| 13:54.43 | penguin42 | Skaag: Did it give any more diags |
| 13:54.48 | bob2 | penguin42: if you have root, there's lots of ways out of the chroot |
| 13:54.54 | Skaag | none |
| 13:54.55 | bob2 | afaik it's not possible to lock root in using them |
| 13:54.57 | restrex | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lreadline |
| 13:54.59 | penguin42 | bob2: True |
| 13:55.02 | restrex | what could be this? |
| 13:55.04 | Skaag | I reran lilo and it no longer gave any errors |
| 13:55.04 | restrex | :/ |
| 13:55.08 | Skaag | so maybe it's ok now |
| 13:55.12 | penguin42 | restrex: You just need to install readline |
| 13:55.21 | restrex | penguin42 ;) :P thanks :D |
| 13:55.32 | penguin42 | restrex: Try apt-get install libreadline5-dev |
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| 13:55.44 | restrex | ok ;) thanks :P |
| 13:55.53 | paulswm | peterS: I think that part of the Sunday problem stems from this kind of activity: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/one_drink_lunch.jpg |
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| 13:55.58 | penguin42 | Skaag: Hold onto your boot disc and hope for the best :-) |
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| 13:56.14 | Skaag | penguin42: ok lilo did not install itself to mbr... grub is still there. |
| 13:56.19 | peterS | paulswm: ha |
| 13:56.31 | asg | paulswm: hehe |
| 13:57.04 | penguin42 | Skaag: Personally I'd be happy with Grub unless you have a particular reason to stuff lilo in |
| 13:57.16 | penguin42 | Skaag: Try lilo -v it gives some more info |
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| 13:57.31 | naddar | anyone can help me |
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| 13:57.40 | naddar | i just installed the new debian-sarge |
| 13:57.45 | Skaag | penguin42: unfortunately grub does not detect all memory and tells me the selected into cannot fit into memory... (error 28) |
| 13:57.50 | Skaag | I would be happy to keep grub myself |
| 13:57.51 | naddar | installed kde but how i can start that |
| 13:57.58 | naddar | forget the command lol |
| 13:57.58 | penguin42 | Skaag: Erk never seen that before |
| 13:58.10 | asg | naddar: echo 'startkde' > ~/.xsession ; startx |
| 13:58.10 | nullvoid | how do I remove oss from my computer? |
| 13:58.11 | Skaag | penguin42: apparently it's a known issue :-\ |
| 13:58.25 | Skaag | penguin42: I tried the people on #grub but the developers are not online now and nobody else can answer |
| 13:58.26 | nullvoid | I guess that OSS is making my alsa not working |
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| 13:58.37 | penguin42 | Skaag: I'm curious what is the spec of your machine? |
| 13:58.52 | naddar | penguin42 you know the command to start kde |
| 13:58.53 | naddar | please |
| 13:58.58 | nullvoid | I tried to unload with modconf, but it doesn't unloaded - in use |
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| 13:59.17 | Skaag | penguin42: It's an Intel motherboard, D915GUX, 1gig ram, pentium iv 3.2ghz |
| 13:59.17 | penguin42 | naddar: As asg said |
| 13:59.25 | Zvpun | is there a way to tell startx which windowmanager to use without creating a .xsesion? |
| 13:59.28 | takatumi | !tell nullvoid -about blacklist |
| 13:59.43 | penguin42 | Zvpun: On some setups the WM env variable tells it |
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| 13:59.46 | asg | naddar: yes |
| 13:59.47 | bob2 | Zvpun: why? |
| 13:59.50 | peterS | Zvpun: you can do this system-wide by changing the /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager symlink |
| 13:59.57 | bob2 | Zvpun: also, startx /usr/bin/blah |
| 14:00.00 | naddar | asg: thanks |
| 14:00.04 | asg | naddar: if you don't feel that is right, feel free to consult #debian-kde for other options. |
| 14:00.06 | penguin42 | Skaag: This known issue, is it a 915 specific issue or something else? (Nice machine by the way) |
| 14:00.06 | Zvpun | bob2: just curious |
| 14:00.12 | peterS | Zvpun: you can use update-alternatives for this |
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| 14:00.17 | naddar | whats the best irc program under linux? |
| 14:00.26 | bob2 | irssi-text. |
| 14:00.27 | asg | naddar: irssi-text is a good one |
| 14:00.31 | tarzeau | bob2! |
| 14:00.32 | peterS | naddar: xchat or irssi-text, depending on whether you like graphics or not |
| 14:00.34 | penguin42 | naddar: There are many - preferences vary |
| 14:00.35 | tarzeau | naddar: talksoup.app |
| 14:00.36 | Zvpun | peterS: oh no, not system wide, just as a user |
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| 14:00.41 | paulswm | Oh God, IRC client wars |
| 14:00.43 | bob2 | tarzeau: yo. |
| 14:00.46 | asg | !gnustepsmite tarzeau |
| 14:00.47 | stew | peterS: graphics in irc?!? :) |
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| 14:00.56 | bob2 | paulswm: there is no war, everyone knows irssi-text is the clear winner ;) |
| 14:01.01 | peterS | stew: shrug. some people use xchat. you tell *me* why |
| 14:01.02 | naddar | lol ok i try that irssi-text |
| 14:01.05 | asg | paulswm: we had them yesterday with asuffield |
| 14:01.16 | tarzeau | talksoup can show graphic smileys when you write :) |
| 14:01.19 | paulswm | bob2: Heh |
| 14:01.34 | |rufius| | paulswm: my irseeee cli3nt pwnz0r j00 cli3nt !!! Lol=!!! |
| 14:01.38 | |rufius| | paulswm: not. |
| 14:01.39 | paulswm | asg: Not sorry I missed that |
| 14:01.40 | peterS | stew: in all seriousness, if you really want graphics, use chatzilla. it replaces emoticons with non-emot-icons |
| 14:01.51 | asg | paulswm: it was friendly |
| 14:01.52 | Evon150 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.55 | asg | oops |
| 14:01.55 | stew | peterS: thanks but no thanks |
| 14:01.56 | paulswm | !beer |rufius| |
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| 14:01.59 | kos_tom | hello |
| 14:02.12 | |rufius| | damn, i didn't realize it was that hard to type like an idiot. |
| 14:02.13 | kos_tom | is there a way to activate a log of all upgrades made by apt-get upgrade ? |
| 14:02.20 | Skaag | penguin42: It's a generally known bug with grub where in certain configurations it detects very little memory |
| 14:02.21 | naddar | with irssi can you download movies with it? |
| 14:02.23 | tarzeau | kos_tom: no |
| 14:02.24 | peterS | stew: I was more than a little amused to hear that my own (: smiley was not recognised and substituted by chatzilla |
| 14:02.34 | penguin42 | Skaag: Interesting - I'll keep my eyes open |
| 14:02.38 | kos_tom | a file that says "On Feb 13, package gcc was upgraded from 3.3.2-4 to 3.3.2-5" |
| 14:02.41 | asg | peterS: they are not peterS compatible |
| 14:02.44 | paulswm | |rufius|: Priceless :) |
| 14:02.46 | tarzeau | kos_tom: noooo |
| 14:02.50 | kos_tom | tarzeau: not at all ? |
| 14:02.50 | stew | peterS: you are subverting the system! |
| 14:02.53 | tarzeau | kos_tom: NO |
| 14:02.55 | nullvoid | takatumi: if I am not mistaken the blacklist is automaticly.... am I wrong ;) |
| 14:02.56 | Skaag | penguin42: I also found an interesting page on google that talks about this mechanism in grub |
| 14:03.05 | Skaag | penguin42: http://www.openbg.net/sto/os/xml/grub.html |
| 14:03.11 | kos_tom | tarzeau: okay. Is anybody going to implement it ? |
| 14:03.15 | tarzeau | kos_tom: www.linuks.mine.nu/yousuck.jpg |
| 14:03.16 | penguin42 | Skaag: Ta |
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| 14:03.28 | kos_tom | tarzeau: and you ? |
| 14:03.30 | asg | kos_tom: you are welcome to if you wish |
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| 14:03.46 | stew | peterS: maybe next they will implement an annoying laughtrack when people write lol |
| 14:03.56 | peterS | stew: hey, there you go! |
| 14:03.59 | asg | !tell wee about away |
| 14:04.00 | kos_tom | tarzeau: are you a bot, or are you stupid ? |
| 14:04.01 | bob2 | kos_tom: use aptitude |
| 14:04.06 | bob2 | kos_tom: stop it |
| 14:04.08 | peterS | stew: <aol disembodied voice> Ha ha ha |
| 14:04.11 | bob2 | wee: turn that off |
| 14:04.25 | stew | peterS: actually that would be great, might discouragle people from typing it |
| 14:04.35 | BeBoo | pray for me :p |
| 14:04.46 | noid2 | how do you change hostname in debian ? |
| 14:04.52 | asg | noid2: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 14:04.54 | tarzeau | noid2: hostname |
| 14:04.56 | noid2 | thanks |
| 14:04.59 | bob2 | with great difficulty |
| 14:05.01 | wee | bob2: sorry |
| 14:05.03 | Zvpun | I want to burn a big directory to CD. Is there a program that distributes files into 650 MB chunks. I dont want to use tar or any other archive since the files should be readable without any archive program. |
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| 14:05.11 | tarzeau | bob2: not as hard, as in windows |
| 14:05.24 | bob2 | tarzeau: there you only change it in one place, afaik |
| 14:05.25 | takatumi | nullvoid: heard it is and not. try installing alsa-base and alsa-utils, maybe it'll do it for you. |
| 14:05.28 | bob2 | in debian it's not actually possible |
| 14:05.32 | tarzeau | bob2: but you have to reboot |
| 14:05.34 | bob2 | unless you use sed on /etc/ and /home/ |
| 14:05.45 | tarzeau | bob2: nothing to do in /home imho |
| 14:05.48 | peterS | tarzeau: changing the hostname in windows is quite easy. you *do* have to reboot, and you may have to re-join the NT domain, depending on windows version |
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| 14:06.06 | tarzeau | bob2: at least it's easier to change the hostname than the username (when you use gnome or/and kde) |
| 14:06.17 | tarzeau | peterS: it's easy in linux too |
| 14:06.29 | tarzeau | peterS: you just need to know how |
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| 14:06.33 | X101 | hello. i have a problem with debian on my laptop. if i do default install(2.4 kernel i think), then the system will kernel panic during install when installing packages. if i do linux26, it will freeze when loading modules |
| 14:06.39 | bob2 | changing username would be too horrible to contemplate |
| 14:06.43 | bob2 | X101: #debian-boot |
| 14:06.50 | bob2 | and I'm not sure why anyone would bother |
| 14:06.54 | tarzeau | bob2: it's very easy if you don't have kde or gnome |
| 14:07.04 | X101 | bob2: ok thanks, i will ask in there |
| 14:07.12 | bob2 | how many thousands of places is it encoded in /etc/? |
| 14:07.14 | stew | X101: i'd give memtest86 a try |
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| 14:07.29 | X101 | stew: memory is fine, its only debian which doesnt install |
| 14:07.32 | tarzeau | bob2: two and hosts |
| 14:07.39 | bob2 | tarzeau: and sudoers |
| 14:07.44 | bob2 | and possibly the printer config |
| 14:07.46 | bob2 | and kismet's |
| 14:07.59 | tarzeau | bob2: then sudoers, kismets, printer configs sucks |
| 14:08.16 | peterS | tarzeau: what would you suggest sudoers should have in it instead of usernames? |
| 14:08.17 | bob2 | tarzeau: how else could you implement sudoers? |
| 14:08.23 | bob2 | per-user config in ~/? ;-) |
| 14:08.28 | peterS | hehe |
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| 14:09.01 | tarzeau | bob2: and we should've all used NetInfo |
| 14:09.15 | thomas_adam | Just give each user a UID of 0 :P |
| 14:09.22 | bob2 | tarzeau: hahaha |
| 14:09.33 | bob2 | you're such a openstep-whore :-) |
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| 14:09.48 | tarzeau | bob2: it's good we won't need sudo soon .. when we get Hurd and you can work without having an account |
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| 14:10.28 | user01 | are there any packages for viewing editing nikon raw images? |
| 14:10.31 | bob2 | hahahahahah |
| 14:10.38 | tarzeau | user01: file yourrawimage says what? |
| 14:10.39 | Zvpun | where else would I find help on the following subject: I want to burn a big directory to CD. Is there a program that distributes files into 650 MB chunks. I dont want to use tar or any other archive since the files should be readable without any archive program. |
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| 14:10.47 | sonci | wath i can reconfigure .xauthority? |
| 14:10.49 | penguin42 | user01: If anything will do it I would thing imagemagick would |
| 14:11.01 | bob2 | Zvpun: you already asked once |
| 14:11.03 | tarzeau | penguin42: or netpbm |
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| 14:11.10 | user01 | the extension is nef |
| 14:11.12 | bob2 | Zvpun: try asking on the user list |
| 14:11.16 | eliane | how can i configure a second internet wifi connection on my eth2 port (for when i'm going to a friend's home) ? |
| 14:11.18 | tarzeau | user01: what says file on it? |
| 14:11.26 | thomas_adam | Zvpun: There's loads of scripts -- let me search SF for you. |
| 14:11.28 | X101 | Zvpun: use rar then. self extractable |
| 14:11.35 | tarzeau | X101: NO |
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| 14:11.39 | bob2 | X101: that doesn't actually help at all |
| 14:11.41 | tarzeau | X101: rar is evil and non-free |
| 14:11.43 | Zvpun | bob2: that is why I asked where I could go to get help. what do you mean by asking on the user list? |
| 14:11.44 | peterS | eliane: apt-cache search laptop network config |
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| 14:11.53 | user01 | tarzeau - thats the nikon file extension nef |
| 14:11.55 | paulswm | !beat X101 for saying rar |
| 14:11.56 | lotusleaf | tarzeau rar is trial but has never expired on me |
| 14:12.02 | lonewolff | does anyone know if there is a gui that will aid me in setting up multiple monitors |
| 14:12.08 | tarzeau | user01: yes but what says file yourwifenude.nef ? |
| 14:12.10 | Blissex | lonewolff: yes. |
| 14:12.16 | tarzeau | lotusleaf: it's crap |
| 14:12.27 | tarzeau | lotusleaf: it's not free software. i can't run it on my linux / non-x86-crap |
| 14:12.28 | lotusleaf | tarzeau why? |
| 14:12.28 | Zvpun | thomas_adam: i tried to search but I was not very succesfull since I dont know how to express my question in English (keywords) |
| 14:12.31 | lonewolff | Blisex: whats it called? |
| 14:12.32 | X101 | whats wrong with something that works? |
| 14:12.33 | thomas_adam | Zvpun: cdbackup, is one such example: apt-cache search backup | less |
| 14:12.34 | user01 | tarzeau: sorry not married |
| 14:12.40 | lotusleaf | tarzeau oh, ok. ;) |
| 14:12.40 | tarzeau | lotusleaf: because it doesn't run on my computer |
| 14:12.50 | Blissex | lonewolff: for example, 'xf86cfg' will help you there. |
| 14:12.53 | tarzeau | user01: whatever your nef is called, run "file" over it |
| 14:12.56 | peterS | user01: that's not the point. the point is that the 'file' command might give useful information about your file |
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| 14:13.15 | si|vercat | where can I find a linux installer for Q3:arena? |
| 14:13.15 | user01 | tarzeau: oh ok |
| 14:13.22 | lonewolff | aha /me didnt know abot that |
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| 14:13.26 | paulswm | Well, Sunday is now well under way on #debian |
| 14:13.27 | tarzeau | user01: what's your wife's name again? |
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| 14:14.00 | peterS | paulswm: I can see you were correct about the timing |
| 14:14.14 | user01 | DSC_0005.NEF: TIFF image data, big-endian |
| 14:14.18 | paulswm | peterS: Lucky guess :) |
| 14:14.20 | user01 | but it isnt tiff |
| 14:14.21 | tarzeau | asg: thanks i got your msg about non-english wiki spam |
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| 14:14.30 | tarzeau | user01: see it's really just TIFF |
| 14:14.35 | asg | tarzeau: you're welcome |
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| 14:14.37 | lonewolff | what is the easiest way of find out the bus id's of the cards? |
| 14:14.37 | user01 | tarzeau: no it isnt |
| 14:14.41 | penguin42 | user01: Problem is TIFF is really a mixed bag of lots of different formats |
| 14:14.43 | thomas_adam | lonewolff: lspci |
| 14:14.45 | tarzeau | user01: renaming it to tiff will probably make the broken software work with it |
| 14:14.50 | user01 | tried opening it and its all blury |
| 14:14.51 | peterS | user01: note that some Windows programs can't handle big-endian TIFF, since all Windows apps produce is little-endian TIFF |
| 14:14.55 | tarzeau | user01: yes it is |
| 14:15.01 | thomas_adam | lonewolff: But if it is for an X config, you won' need it. |
| 14:15.04 | tarzeau | user01: maybe your software is broken |
| 14:15.10 | penguin42 | user01: Sorry, its apparently open but blurry? |
| 14:15.12 | tarzeau | user01: can it handle big endian tiff? |
| 14:15.20 | tarzeau | user01: try preview.app on it, or price.app |
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| 14:15.33 | lonewolff | thomas_adam: how will it know which monitor to output to etc? |
| 14:15.40 | sparr | Every time I reboot I have to recompile my nvidia drivers. I compile them (using the nvidia installer) then X starts fine, then I reboot and gdm fails to start, then i 'startx' manually and get an error indicating that there are no valid screens, then i re-run the nvidia installer and it works again. Help? |
| 14:15.46 | tarzeau | penguin42: haah, now it's the computers fault, he can't take photographs |
| 14:15.51 | tarzeau | penguin42: hilarious! it's weekend |
| 14:15.55 | penguin42 | user01: try identify myfile on it |
| 14:16.04 | penguin42 | tarzeau: Problem exists between viewfinder and trigger? |
| 14:16.09 | user01 | tarzeau: with the nikon propriety software it looks fine :P |
| 14:16.17 | tarzeau | user01: oops |
| 14:16.31 | penguin42 | user01: Ok, try identify on it - see what it says |
| 14:16.44 | tarzeau | user01: can "feh" view it? |
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| 14:17.01 | Zvpun | thomas_adam: I am not looking for a backup program since they all use tar or their own archvie formats. I want to burn the files directly to CD. I am just looking for a program that helps me in creating 650 MB chunks. |
| 14:17.12 | user01 | dentify: DSC_0005.NEF: unknown field with tag 37398 (0x9216) encountered.. |
| 14:17.12 | user01 | DSC_0005.NEF TIFF 160x120 DirectClass 5.2mb 0.000u 0:01 |
| 14:17.18 | thomas_adam | Zvpun: Ah, right. |
| 14:17.39 | peterS | user01: yeah, TIFF is really just a container format that can have lots of different types of image data inside it |
| 14:17.39 | Zvpun | thomas_adam: I was looking through the backup list and did not find something usefull. I dont know what keywords I should use for a search in english |
| 14:17.53 | tarzeau | user01: your nikon software exists for what? mac and windows? |
| 14:17.58 | thomas_adam | Zvpun: You can script it easily enough. |
| 14:18.01 | user01 | tarzeau: yep |
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| 14:18.09 | Rawplayer | http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=31573 |
| 14:18.12 | user01 | tried isntalling it with cross-over but it doesnt work |
| 14:18.13 | ireverentReveren | how do i set it so x wont start at boot? |
| 14:18.19 | asg | ireverentReveren: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 14:18.29 | ireverentReveren | Thank You |
| 14:18.33 | penguin42 | user01: OK, not sure if any of these will work with that note; but I'd try in about this order display (from Imagemagick), gimp, cinepaint |
| 14:18.34 | asg | you're welcome |
| 14:19.15 | user01 | http://www.through-the-lens.net/index.php?page=2 |
| 14:19.21 | user01 | there is something there just a sec |
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| 14:19.38 | monteiro | anyone knows a program similar to microsoft publisher ? |
| 14:19.48 | asg | monteiro: scribus |
| 14:19.54 | tarzeau | monteiro: what does it do? |
| 14:20.20 | tarzeau | asg: something like adobe indesign? |
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| 14:20.30 | asg | tarzeau: yes, desktop publishing |
| 14:20.44 | tarzeau | oh! monteiro also try cenon.app |
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| 14:21.22 | jerome | any chan for openoffice in debian ? I'd like to ask about some missing drivers. |
| 14:21.28 | asg | jerome: #debian-oo |
| 14:21.29 | monteiro | tarzeau : it's to do some invitations with half of the paper, like a little book .. |
| 14:21.31 | leonel | what needs to be done for security for SARGE ? is there a lack of help ? |
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| 14:21.37 | monteiro | asg : tks |
| 14:21.38 | penguin42 | jerome: DriverS? |
| 14:21.40 | asg | monteiro: you're welcome |
| 14:21.50 | tarzeau | leonel: you can help fix rc bugs |
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| 14:22.14 | valdyn | jerome: you're talking about openoffice's printer drivers? |
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| 14:22.31 | leonel | tarzeau: if we splash all the bugs will sarge be releases because I thought that was an autobuilders problem |
| 14:22.48 | user01 | hmmm... it needa a javavm this program |
| 14:22.52 | tarzeau | leonel: yes, what buildd probelm? |
| 14:22.56 | vpalle | if i wanted to give all users and groups read write access to a file, but the file shouldnt be executable, what value of umask should i use? |
| 14:22.57 | asg | user01: /msg dpkg install java |
| 14:23.08 | asg | vpalle: 666 |
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| 14:23.14 | penguin42 | the mask of the devil |
| 14:23.17 | tarzeau | that'd be 111 |
| 14:23.27 | leonel | tarzeau: so there's no buildd for sarge security problem ? |
| 14:23.28 | FieldySnuts | @lart java* |
| 14:23.30 | asg | oops, missed the umask bit |
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| 14:23.52 | tarzeau | leonel: i'm sure that'll be gone, when you manage to close all rc bugs |
| 14:23.53 | asg | vpalle: what tarzeau said |
| 14:24.15 | leonel | tarzeau: so another 6 months delay ? |
| 14:24.17 | asg | penguin42: I'm feeling particularly wicked today for some reason |
| 14:24.29 | tarzeau | leonel: if you can fix all rc bugs today. that'd be only a 24h delay |
| 14:24.39 | jerome | penguin42, valdyn, asg : thanks, I'm talking about postgresql drivers specifically |
| 14:24.42 | leonel | tarzeau: false |
| 14:24.42 | penguin42 | asg: Muhahahahahahahah |
| 14:24.46 | user01 | i have jamvm installed |
| 14:24.47 | tarzeau | leonel: bullshit |
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| 14:24.58 | leonel | tarzeau: thanks ! |
| 14:25.02 | tarzeau | leonel: you're welcome |
| 14:25.18 | sanxiyn | user01: And classpath CVS? |
| 14:25.32 | FieldySnuts | i still say 2009 for sarge |
| 14:25.36 | tarzeau | leonel: you see the green curve? http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 14:25.39 | user01 | sanxiyn: probably not let me check |
| 14:25.40 | asg | penguin42: son of the beast (http://gimp.shacknet.nu/cats/webster/webster-floor30.jpg) |
| 14:25.51 | leonel | tarzeau: yes 106 bugs and 1000 developers ? |
| 14:25.53 | sanxiyn | user01: Why do you use jamvm if you don't follow classpath CVS? :-) |
| 14:25.57 | alys | tarzeau: we need more bug-squashing parties... |
| 14:26.01 | tarzeau | leonel: where do you take "1000" from? |
| 14:26.09 | leonel | tarzeau: a clue |
| 14:26.13 | tarzeau | alys: no we need more people who fix and close bugs |
| 14:26.17 | leonel | tarzeau: just guessing |
| 14:26.22 | tarzeau | leonel: it's a bad guess |
| 14:26.33 | alys | tarzeau: you're right - as ever! ;-) |
| 14:26.36 | leonel | tarzeau: so the real number of debian developers ? |
| 14:26.40 | tarzeau | leonel: you can't make a gnome person fix kde bugs |
| 14:26.48 | sanxiyn | 1358. |
| 14:26.50 | tarzeau | leonel: debian developers is about 700 |
| 14:26.55 | sanxiyn | (db.debian.org search, with empty query) |
| 14:26.59 | user01 | sanxiyn: i have those installed |
| 14:27.04 | user01 | cvs and classpath |
| 14:27.08 | sanxiyn | user01: What's the problem? |
| 14:27.09 | tarzeau | leonel: debian maintainers is around 700 too. about 20 % all of them not very active |
| 14:27.09 | leonel | so 700 cant handle 106 bugs ? is what you are telling me ? |
| 14:27.16 | FieldySnuts | where are you getting 700 from? |
| 14:27.19 | tarzeau | leonel: no i'm telling you NOT that |
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| 14:27.32 | FieldySnuts | and no matter what the number is, they are VOLUNTEERS with lives other than debian, respect what they have done for us. |
| 14:27.36 | leonel | tarzeau: ok |
| 14:27.36 | tarzeau | leonel: i'm telling you some bugs are more difficult than others |
| 14:27.44 | sanxiyn | Ah sure. |
| 14:27.45 | tarzeau | leonel: you can't get a baby with two men in 4,5 monhts! |
| 14:27.47 | tarzeau | leonel: get that? |
| 14:27.48 | eliane | what is the option to set the wep key in iwconfig ? |
| 14:27.54 | user01 | sanxiyn: when i run the install script it says No Java virtual machine could be found from your PATH |
| 14:27.54 | user01 | environment variable. You must install a VM prior to |
| 14:28.01 | leonel | tarzeau: wrong ! |
| 14:28.05 | tarzeau | leonel: bullshit |
| 14:28.06 | sanxiyn | user01: Set JAVA_HOME. |
| 14:28.07 | leonel | a baby needs time |
| 14:28.08 | asg | eliane: iwconfig <interfaces> key [open] <key> |
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| 14:28.24 | asg | eliane: the manpage lists a number of potential examples |
| 14:28.26 | sanxiyn | user01: Many softwares expect JAVA_HOME to be set. Just set it. |
| 14:28.36 | valdyn | leonel: you may want to have a look at what is really happening to bugs, as 106 is only a current number that constantly changes |
| 14:28.53 | sanxiyn | user01: Or... maybe other problem. What are you trying to do? |
| 14:28.56 | FieldySnuts | @troll leonel |
| 14:28.58 | Baby | who needs time? :P |
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| 14:29.05 | leonel | tarzeau: so ... how I get about 40MB updates for sid and can't be done the same for sarge |
| 14:29.18 | user01 | sanxiyn: trying to install this program to read nef files |
| 14:29.21 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: don't waste your time responding. |
| 14:29.22 | tarzeau | leonel: heh, now that's a whole different question ;) |
| 14:29.36 | tarzeau | leonel: look sarge doesn't currently have security updates |
| 14:29.43 | penguin42 | ok, ok who was the guy who just suggested Cenon? (says he being tempted and installing a gnustep app) |
| 14:29.45 | sanxiyn | user01: And you don't want to use Sun's JVM? Why? |
| 14:29.49 | leonel | tarzeau: that's what I mean |
| 14:29.53 | tarzeau | leonel: go read release update messages on lists.debian.org |
| 14:29.53 | asg | penguin42: tarzeau |
| 14:29.55 | sanxiyn | user01: (Architecture other than x86?) |
| 14:29.56 | leonel | tarzeau: security for sarge |
| 14:30.00 | asg | penguin42: he also has a nice gnustep live cd |
| 14:30.01 | tarzeau | leonel: i know what you meant. and i told you what i think |
| 14:30.13 | tarzeau | leonel: by the time all rc bugs are gone for sarge, it will HAVE security updates |
| 14:30.25 | tarzeau | leonel: so? |
| 14:30.26 | penguin42 | tarzeau: So Cenon seems to have decided to put its tools window half off the edge of my display - is this normal? |
| 14:30.29 | user01 | sanxiyn: is there a package for sun`s java? |
| 14:30.30 | sanxiyn | user01: jamvm is a bare minimal VM, mainly for class library developers. |
| 14:30.39 | sanxiyn | user01: Yes. Didn't others tell you? |
| 14:30.49 | leonel | tarzeau: so ? There's no perfect software and with accurate security all bugs can be done |
| 14:30.49 | tarzeau | penguin42: it's a problem of screen size and gorm . move it back in using alt-lmb |
| 14:30.58 | sanxiyn | !tell user01 about install java |
| 14:31.00 | tarzeau | leonel: talk is cheap.. go fix stuff |
| 14:31.01 | penguin42 | using what? |
| 14:31.06 | penguin42 | oh - alt-left-mouse |
| 14:31.17 | Skaag | ok is there ANY kernel with sk98lin support built-in? |
| 14:31.17 | tarzeau | penguin42: that's with window maker, mind you |
| 14:31.22 | Skaag | how do I find out if there is? |
| 14:31.31 | tarzeau | Skaag: what's sk98lin? |
| 14:31.31 | asg | tarzeau: should work with any window manager |
| 14:31.38 | stew | leonel: not all bugs, all rc bugs |
| 14:31.39 | penguin42 | tarz: Ah that got it (on kde) |
| 14:31.39 | tarzeau | Skaag: check the kernel .config file in /boot |
| 14:31.45 | tarzeau | asg: fvwm can't do that |
| 14:31.46 | Skaag | tarzeau: Yukon Marvel network card, 1gbe |
| 14:31.48 | valdyn | Skaag: debian kernels dont have drivers "built in", thats why theres an initrd |
| 14:31.52 | leonel | tarzeau: can I fix all the bugs and security for sarge will be ready ? I don't think so |
| 14:32.02 | tarzeau | leonel: i think so yes. |
| 14:32.04 | user01 | sanxiyn: is that the classpath deb file? |
| 14:32.07 | leonel | well |
| 14:32.08 | valdyn | Skaag: and that initrd contains that driver in most likely all 2.6.x images |
| 14:32.08 | Skaag | valdyn: I know... but the packages come with an initrd don't they... |
| 14:32.09 | asg | tarzeau: I could swear I've done that in fvwm (and {black,open,flux}box) |
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| 14:32.13 | sanxiyn | user01: ?????? |
| 14:32.16 | tarzeau | leonel: because i think the time you will need to fix all rc sarge bugs .. |
| 14:32.23 | valdyn | Skaag: correct |
| 14:32.28 | tarzeau | leonel: well i'll send you a $ for every sarge bug you fix |
| 14:32.36 | leonel | tarzeau: ok so another 6 months |
| 14:32.37 | sanxiyn | user01: Install java-package, download Sun's JDK distribution, make deb package, and install it. |
| 14:32.37 | tarzeau | leonel: either in cash or swiss chocolate, your choice |
| 14:32.42 | asg | tarzeau: same with alt+rmb+drag (for resize) |
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| 14:32.59 | valdyn | Skaag: debians sarge installer always had that driver included afaik |
| 14:32.59 | stew | leonel: what makes you say 6 months? |
| 14:33.00 | sanxiyn | user01: Debian's "classpath" package is a free Java class library, intended to replace Sun's. |
| 14:33.11 | tarzeau | asg: hmmm i use fvwm2 at work (stable) and it can't do that (maybe it can be configured to do it) |
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| 14:33.23 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: that's only half the truth |
| 14:33.25 | leonel | stew: what makes you not ? i mean woody will be 3 years |
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| 14:33.33 | tarzeau | user01: the other half is, it doesn't work for everything |
| 14:33.34 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: And other half? |
| 14:33.35 | asg | tarzeau: fvwm's key/mouse bindings may overwrite what the standard X bindings are I suppose. |
| 14:33.47 | user01 | sanxiyn: sorry i dont see a java-package in my list... |
| 14:33.50 | eliane | can someone give me a typical command to configure a wifi (with wep key) with iwconfig ? so that i can run the connection with ifup eth2 (my wifi is on eth2)... |
| 14:33.53 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: It works quite well. |
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| 14:34.00 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: If you don't do swing :-) |
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| 14:34.04 | valdyn | Skaag: now i can only imagine that you dont have it, if you use woody |
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| 14:34.11 | Skaag | valdyn: I mounted the initrd image for 2.6.10-1-686-smp and couldn't find it under kernel/net |
| 14:34.13 | stew | leonel: i didn't say anything, i wouldn't say 6 months or one year or anything. i'm just wondering how you arrived at 6 months |
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| 14:34.18 | leonel | ALL : Don't get me wrong but I can't see a soon sarge release even If I solve all rc bugs |
| 14:34.22 | asg | eliane: man 7 wireless (examples for /etc/network/interfaces are in that manpage) |
| 14:34.23 | FieldySnuts | stew: he's trolling that's why |
| 14:34.26 | sanxiyn | user01: java-package is from contrib. |
| 14:34.31 | user01 | sanxiyn: do you mean java-common? |
| 14:34.35 | sanxiyn | user01: No. |
| 14:34.35 | stew | FieldySnuts: yeah, i don't know why i'm letting him suck me in |
| 14:34.45 | sanxiyn | user01: If you have only "main" in your sources.list, of course you don't have java-pacakge. |
| 14:34.50 | tarzeau | leonel: are you follwoing mailinglists? |
| 14:34.52 | leonel | stew: well sarge was supposed to be released on september |
| 14:34.53 | sanxiyn | user01: Since it is used to install non free stuff... |
| 14:34.54 | valdyn | Skaag: because its in kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin |
| 14:34.55 | eliane | asg: i don't want to reconfigure interfaces, i'm at a friend's home |
| 14:34.57 | stew | leonel: no it wasn't |
| 14:35.12 | Skaag | valdyn: yes just thought about that, it is there... trying agian |
| 14:35.19 | david_ | exit |
| 14:35.23 | tarzeau | here's what hits the nail in the head: http://www.inittab.de/images/floss-communications.png |
| 14:35.28 | shingouz | how much horsepower does mplayer usually need to play a normal DVD, my P2-350 doesn't want to play them even if divx plays nicely |
| 14:35.35 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: That's a nice diagram :-) |
| 14:35.36 | tarzeau | easy to see - we love users / hard to see LUsers Sux0rs |
| 14:35.36 | penguin42 | tarzeau: Hmm its ok, but not quite useable on kde; windows keep appearing and disappearing - I think its to do with windows disappearing on focus; and they seem to reappear in subtely different places |
| 14:35.40 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: yes it is ;) |
| 14:35.53 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: In low tech we trust. |
| 14:35.55 | leonel | tarzeau: yes and that's why I get desperated I see so much movement with debian but not a focus on sarge release |
| 14:35.58 | tarzeau | penguin42: yes you want to turn off focus follows mouse |
| 14:36.01 | tarzeau | penguin42: and read cenon-doc |
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| 14:36.16 | Rawplayer | can anyone help me with this? http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=31573 |
| 14:36.21 | tarzeau | leonel: do you run more than one stable machine? |
| 14:36.24 | penguin42 | shingouz: It depends on the graphics card; if you can persuade X to do Xvideo extensions and mplayer to use it then it uses a lot less cpu |
| 14:36.27 | leonel | tarzeau: yes |
| 14:36.29 | asg | eliane: well, if you want to use 'ifup', you'll have to. If you just want to temporarily setup the interface, use 'iwconfig eth2 essid <ssid>\niwconfig eth2 mode managed\niwconfig eth2 key <key>\ndhclient' |
| 14:36.30 | tarzeau | leonel: how many? |
| 14:36.39 | penguin42 | tarzeau: Ooh no, couldn't do that - focus follows mouse is the true way :-) |
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| 14:36.54 | david_ | exit |
| 14:36.55 | tarzeau | leonel: see, how much help they need? we also run about 150. and we're stuck on stable (with 2-4 gb of backports) |
| 14:36.55 | leonel | tarzeau: some and some more will come I love debian |
| 14:36.58 | valdyn | leonel: fucking look at how debian works before complaining about stuff that just does not function in the way you might think |
| 14:37.04 | eliane | asg: thanks! that's what i needed... |
| 14:37.06 | Skaag | when my system assumes a 33mhz system bus speed, what are the possible values for idebus=xx? |
| 14:37.09 | shingouz | penguin42: there is some S3 card in the box right now, do you think i woul dhave any luck with it? |
| 14:37.16 | leonel | valdyn: thanks > /dev/null |
| 14:37.18 | tarzeau | leonel: give it a hand already. can you fix bugs? develop software? translate or write docs? |
| 14:37.21 | shingouz | Skaag: at least 66 |
| 14:37.22 | Skaag | and won't the kernel detect the real speed at some point and change to that? |
| 14:37.24 | penguin42 | shingouz: I doubt it to be honest |
| 14:37.40 | shingouz | damn. i might have to change the video then |
| 14:37.43 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: I can translate :-) |
| 14:37.51 | penguin42 | (Does anyone happen to know what the kernel uses system bus speed for in IDE?) |
| 14:37.52 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: what languages? |
| 14:37.55 | shingouz | thanks in anycase :) |
| 14:37.56 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Korean. |
| 14:37.58 | asg | shingouz: S3 might work with X v3 for some cards |
| 14:37.58 | leonel | tarzeau: yes I can but again I can be 100% involved with debian and still don't see a soon sarge release |
| 14:38.06 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: omg! you want to translate gnustep software to korean? |
| 14:38.13 | jlj_ | http://www.psinext.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=672aa587da2da785e3fd58571d12f7a4 |
| 14:38.16 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Sorry, I don't use GNUstep. |
| 14:38.16 | jlj_ | http://www.psinext.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=672aa587da2da785e3fd58571d12f7a4 |
| 14:38.20 | valdyn | penguin42: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:38.22 | tarzeau | leonel: i see. have you checked the topic in #debian-bugs ? |
| 14:38.23 | asg | jlj_: go away |
| 14:38.24 | jlj_ | sorry :( |
| 14:38.24 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: I helped translating d-i a little tho. |
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| 14:38.41 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: very cool! it's nice to see users involved in debian improvement |
| 14:38.45 | shingouz | asg: i might have to look into that then, completely forgot to even read up on the X 3.x versions when installing |
| 14:38.46 | penguin42 | valdyn: In relation to what? |
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| 14:39.00 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: korean really have nuclear bombs? |
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| 14:39.03 | leonel | tarzeau: yes and ? |
| 14:39.04 | asg | shingouz: yeah, I have an old S3 card that only works with X v3, there is no support in X v4 |
| 14:39.06 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Who knows? |
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| 14:39.16 | valdyn | penguin42: your IDE speed question |
| 14:39.20 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: does someone in korea sell debian CDs already? |
| 14:39.24 | penguin42 | asg: But does it have Xv ? |
| 14:39.29 | X101 | does anyone know if the intel pro wireless (ipw2100) drivers are in apt? i cant find it |
| 14:39.33 | penguin42 | valdyn: Oh I was just curious why it wanted to know? |
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| 14:39.36 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: how's internet in korea? and have you heard of GNUstep? http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 14:39.42 | asg | penguin42: hehe |
| 14:39.49 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Yes I heard of GNUstep, Simply GNUstep, etc. |
| 14:39.52 | Skaag | strange, doesn't 'append' work in lilo.conf? |
| 14:39.57 | asg | X101: /msg dpkg ipw2100 |
| 14:40.00 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Internet is very widespread and cheap in South Korea. |
| 14:40.00 | Starfury^ | anyone know when libgcc1:4.0 will be out on sid, its on experimental atm? |
| 14:40.07 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: simply gnustep is dead like a zombi |
| 14:40.07 | penguin42 | tarzeau: I hear that DSL in south koreah is very very good; very fast |
| 14:40.12 | penguin42 | ^h^ |
| 14:40.15 | shingouz | asg: i have a couple of laptops here that need v3.x but when installing on the desktop i just completely forgot about the older version. off ot read some more docs then ;) |
| 14:40.17 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: We have at least 3 Debian mirrors. |
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| 14:40.21 | asg | shingouz: :) |
| 14:40.26 | tarzeau | penguin42: and cheap? as in affordable by the masses? |
| 14:40.31 | tarzeau | penguin42: uncensored? |
| 14:40.34 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Yes. |
| 14:40.35 | asg | Starfury^: 24 hours after it appears in incoming.debian.org |
| 14:40.37 | X101 | asg: ouch, it says i have to install a custom kernel |
| 14:40.38 | paulswm | tarzeau: I can program/fix bugs, that's my profession, but the whole debian developer selection process is just too intimidating, so I stay away. Not meant as a criticism, of course, I understand its relevance. |
| 14:40.39 | shingouz | before that, o'll apt-get install caffeine |
| 14:40.41 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Not in North Korea though. |
| 14:40.43 | Starfury^ | asg: ta |
| 14:40.43 | penguin42 | tarzeau: So I've heard; yeh south korea - not North! |
| 14:40.46 | eliane | asg: i have typed: iwconfig eth2 essid eliane eth2 mode managed eth2 key AAAAAAAAAA, but it returns : unrecognizd wireless request "eth2", what's wrong in what i wrote ? |
| 14:40.51 | asg | X101: yes, unfortunately. |
| 14:40.54 | tarzeau | paulswm: i agree |
| 14:41.01 | sanxiyn | penguin42: You are correct, I can say :-) |
| 14:41.07 | asg | eliane: does /sbin/ifconfig -a show eth2 or wlan0 ? |
| 14:41.17 | valdyn | korea has the best developed inet infrasctructure, dont they? except maybe denmark |
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| 14:41.31 | sanxiyn | paulswm: Yes, Debian developers' section is a little frustrating. |
| 14:41.47 | eliane | asg: it shows eth2 |
| 14:42.03 | asg | eliane: oh, you need to type 'iwconfig eth2 essid eliane <hit enter key>iwconfig eth2 mode manged <hit enter key>iwconfig eth2 key AAAAAAAA <hit enter key>' |
| 14:42.07 | eliane | asg: and it works with no problem when i'm at home |
| 14:42.10 | asg | eliane: it's 3 separate commands |
| 14:42.16 | paulswm | tarzeau: It seems that a line needs to be drawn between professional validation and joining an elitist club where much depends on who you know. |
| 14:42.27 | tarzeau | paulswm: i agree, again |
| 14:42.44 | tarzeau | paulswm: and what your ideas and opinions are |
| 14:42.56 | tarzeau | paulswm: ESUBJECTIVISM |
| 14:42.59 | ireverentReveren | when i make a kernel and dpkg -i it, for some reason grub is not including the initrd line.... how do i fix /change that? |
| 14:43.20 | sanxiyn | paulswm: Referring to key signing of NM process? Apart from that, I don't think Debian requires "who you know". |
| 14:43.21 | paulswm | tarzeau: Yes, like joining the communist party or something. |
| 14:43.45 | paulswm | sanxiyn: You require a sponsor/advocate, no? |
| 14:43.48 | asg | ireverentReveren: the initrd image is probably not named correctly and therefore not automatically picked up by grub. |
| 14:43.51 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: look at /boot/kernel-img.conf |
| 14:44.02 | sanxiyn | paulswm: Eh, yes. |
| 14:44.02 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: hahaha |
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| 14:44.03 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: did you apply? |
| 14:44.04 | ireverentReveren | valdyn thank you |
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| 14:44.08 | tarzeau | paulswm: he's dreamin' |
| 14:44.09 | paulswm | That's what I meant |
| 14:44.32 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: tinuviel@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr on nm.debian.org. |
| 14:44.38 | sanxiyn | Well. |
| 14:44.49 | eliane | asg: ok, it works when typing 3 separate commands, but ow when typing "ifup eth2", nothing happens |
| 14:45.04 | asg | eliane: because you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces for 'ifup' to work |
| 14:45.10 | paulswm | Maybe the anser is to get involved with other Linux projects, there's a lot of interesting ones. |
| 14:45.11 | ireverentReveren | valdyn i dont appear to have that file... |
| 14:45.15 | noid2 | what file does su look through if a user is allowed to login as root ? |
| 14:45.33 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: tell me again "Apart from that, I don't think Debian requires "who you know"." when you are at dam stage |
| 14:45.34 | stew | ok, what are the chances the WEBCAM_GirL is here to ask debian related questions? |
| 14:45.37 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: uhm, are you using debian? |
| 14:45.41 | eliane | asg: so what to use to run this connection ? |
| 14:45.45 | valdyn | !initrd |
| 14:45.45 | dpkg | it has been said that initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 14:45.46 | asg | eliane: you could always just put those 3 commands in a sh file, name it 'friend', stick it in ~/bin, and use that instead. |
| 14:45.48 | takatumi | valdyn: /etc |
| 14:45.53 | ireverentReveren | valdyn yeah, sarge, pretty fresh install |
| 14:45.54 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Heh, I don't think I will remember that after that long time :-) |
| 14:46.03 | paulswm | noid2: su just checks password, sudo checks /etc/sudoers |
| 14:46.03 | penguin42 | paulswm: One of the problems is that the complexity of modern projects is so much larger than some of the older things; I mean trying to dig into say Mozilla or OpenOffice source is HARD because of size/complexity |
| 14:46.06 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: see what takatumi said, pardon |
| 14:46.15 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: which packages do you maintain? |
| 14:46.21 | asg | stew: 3:1 ? |
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| 14:46.26 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: None yet. |
| 14:46.41 | ireverentReveren | ok, looking now |
| 14:46.46 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: fresh install -> it should be fine. read what dpkg said and .. just dont use an initrd |
| 14:46.55 | stew | asg: i'd put it at closer to 100:1 against |
| 14:46.58 | asg | eliane: if you just need to grab an ip via dhcp, type 'dhclient' after the 3 iwconfig commands |
| 14:47.05 | asg | stew: heh, probably. |
| 14:47.29 | paulswm | penguin42: You are right, I was thinking maybe of something like one of the WRT54GS projects, seeing as I own one. Only thing is, I'd have to get another one so I don't brick my "production" one :) |
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| 14:47.38 | ireverentReveren | valdyn still way too new to know how to avoid using one.. all i know is if i DONT i dont boot.... |
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| 14:48.01 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: but youre building and configuring your own kernel, arent you? |
| 14:48.07 | ireverentReveren | valdyn and i don't really see how/what to edit int he kernel-img.conf to get teh line added |
| 14:48.13 | paulswm | penguin42: But I *would* like to see drag-drop tabs to rearrange them in Firefox |
| 14:48.28 | Skaag | valdyn: i'm back to step 1 - the sk98lin driver distributed with kernel 2.6.10 is flawed :-\ |
| 14:48.31 | tarzeau | paulswm: ahhh, you are not alone |
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| 14:48.35 | ireverentReveren | valdyn yeah, but only basic things... like removing wireless support and using newer srcs |
| 14:48.46 | ireverentReveren | valdyn more than willing to learn, though |
| 14:48.48 | penguin42 | paulswm: Hehe - I've had that bug filed for a LONG time; it looks like rearrange tabs on mozilla is slated for 1.9alpha1 - or so it looks like its started to move |
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| 14:49.29 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: ok - forget about initrd for _selfmade_ kernels. Compile 2 things not as a modules but into the kernel - your root filesystem support and your disk interface controller |
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| 14:49.57 | noid2 | why after installing su: Authentication failure |
| 14:49.57 | noid2 | Sorry. |
| 14:50.15 | X101 | because you arent in wheel |
| 14:50.22 | penguin42 | paulswm: It is bug 10585 on mozilla's bugzilla |
| 14:50.26 | asg | X101: not relevant in debian by default |
| 14:50.40 | ireverentReveren | valdyn ok... i THINK i can do that... I am in the middle of a compile, so i will let that finish/test it and then attempt that.... not sure what controller i will need... but i will look |
| 14:50.41 | paulswm | tarzeau, penguin42: and pan, which I think is really great, could do with some real documentation and some improvement in multiple instances being related and playing well together |
| 14:51.00 | noid2 | X101: after installing cpanel ... now normal users cant su .... |
| 14:51.09 | valdyn | Skaag: it works for me, do you have a very network adapter that might not be listed in sk98lin which is in 2.6.10 ? |
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| 14:51.18 | valdyn | Skaag: it works for me, do you have a very new network adapter that might not be listed in sk98lin which is in 2.6.10 ? |
| 14:51.18 | sanxiyn | penguin42: 10585? That sounds as old as hills... |
| 14:51.20 | X101 | noid2: just double check they are in wheel |
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| 14:51.32 | mwilson | X101: You're not listening, are you? |
| 14:51.34 | tarzeau | paulswm: i'm really hoping for a gnustep based web browser, when gcc 4.0 is out (with objective-c++) |
| 14:51.37 | penguin42 | sanxiyn: Oops yes - missed an 8; 105885 ! |
| 14:51.43 | asg | X101: there is not wheel group in Debian |
| 14:51.50 | tarzeau | mwilson! |
| 14:51.55 | asg | s/not/no/ |
| 14:51.59 | sanxiyn | penguin42: :-) |
| 14:52.27 | ryushe | I'm running 2.6.10 as a test with nvidia drivers, every time the machine boots it doesn't load the nvidia driver. the alias is in /etc/modules.conf ... any ideas where else to enter it so it does load? |
| 14:52.35 | noid2 | asg: permissions are right ...normal users are able to execute su ....just even if password is correct says authentication failure ? |
| 14:52.51 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: lspci | grep IDE |
| 14:53.03 | asg | noid2: has the suid bit been removed from 'su'? does /var/log/auth.log list anything interesting? |
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| 14:53.28 | noid2 | asg: checking auth.log |
| 14:53.30 | mwilson | tarzeau! |
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| 14:53.33 | Meshuggin | ryushe: i've got the same problem, i just comeback to 2.6.7 and 6111 nvidia driver hoping the new version of the driver |
| 14:53.36 | leonel | tarzeau: are you running woody servers ? |
| 14:53.37 | paulswm | tarzeau: We had a very bad experience at work developing software in NextStep which NextStep were promising would run in NT, and the whole thing fell apart after many man months and lots of money. I can't bear to look at anything which resembles NextStep desktop now :) |
| 14:53.40 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Using WebCore? |
| 14:53.59 | ireverentReveren | valdyn nVidia Corporation:Unknown device 008[5e] (rev a3) |
| 14:54.03 | tarzeau | leonel: and workstations(work), but also sarge(work) and sid(home) ones (both servers+clients) |
| 14:54.12 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: that yes |
| 14:54.20 | ireverentReveren | valdyn nForce2 chipset... which is what i am compiling to add support for at the moment |
| 14:54.26 | tarzeau | paulswm: using YellowBox ? |
| 14:54.53 | tarzeau | paulswm: some friends on the other side of the campus made really great experience with it. |
| 14:54.55 | tarzeau | paulswm: doing really expensive software -> http://www.ivt.baug.ethz.ch/oev/OpenTrack/Downloads/batschkus.pdf |
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| 14:55.04 | leonel | tarzeau: any woody kernel updates ? |
| 14:55.14 | tarzeau | paulswm: want to know the great thing? one of it might get ported to GNUstep (let's see what tuesday brings) |
| 14:55.25 | paulswm | tarzeau: I was not invoved in the development, I was wokring on a different project. But some of my friends lost their jobs over it. |
| 14:55.27 | dacer | hi |
| 14:55.28 | tarzeau | leonel: own kernels ('cause of new hardware, debian doesn't support) |
| 14:55.36 | Blissex | leonel: for anything that includes the words "woody" and "updates", 'backports.org' seems a good starting point... |
| 14:55.45 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: already, that should do it ( unless youre just compiling in nforce2 AGP instead of nforce2 IDE supports ;) ) |
| 14:55.49 | dacer | where is ifcfg-eth0* file in debian |
| 14:55.55 | tarzeau | leonel: we've got special hardware/machines (measurement, microscopes, serial devices, 4+ ghz, 2+ cpus) |
| 14:55.56 | Rawplayer | do you stuff compiled into your kernel to use iproute2? |
| 14:55.56 | asg | dacer: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:55.59 | dacer | to set IP and other network paremeters |
| 14:56.09 | asg | dacer: man 5 interfaces |
| 14:56.13 | leonel | tarzeau: tarzeau that's what I'm doing my own kernel |
| 14:56.17 | ryushe | so where else could I tell the system to actually load the nvidia driver on startup? besides doing dirty hacks? |
| 14:56.23 | tarzeau | paulswm: pity :( |
| 14:56.40 | takatumi | ryushe: /etc/modules |
| 14:56.40 | leonel | tarzeau: and that kernel for my customers |
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| 14:56.44 | tarzeau | paulswm: that was commercial. now there's free software, livecd.GNUstep.org ;) |
| 14:56.55 | dacer | thanks asg, FASTER !!!! |
| 14:57.04 | asg | dacer: you're welcome |
| 14:57.08 | leonel | tarzeau: no problems so far but .... i want sarge soon |
| 14:57.09 | tarzeau | paulswm: i mean we'll have the browser shortly, the emacs, jabber and some more! |
| 14:57.10 | dacer | thanks |
| 14:57.22 | dacer | I usually use SUSE, now try debian |
| 14:57.26 | tarzeau | leonel: you are not alone |
| 14:57.31 | ryushe | takatumi > a simple "nvidia" would be enough there right? |
| 14:57.33 | dacer | I hope erase SUSE |
| 14:57.44 | leonel | tarzeau: i feel alone hahaha |
| 14:57.46 | ireverentReveren | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.12 | dacer | another question, in SUSE if I want to boot to text mode I type init 3 , how in debian, I try but no work |
| 14:58.19 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: correct |
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| 14:58.37 | Blissex | dacer: in Debian it is level 2 IIRC |
| 14:58.48 | dacer | IIRC |
| 14:58.52 | dacer | or init 2 |
| 14:59.00 | Madkiss | Hi folks. |
| 14:59.02 | Madkiss | Somebody here with an Acer TM800LCiB who ever opened his notebook? |
| 14:59.10 | paulswm | tarzeau: Aaaargh, you said 'emacs'. http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/viman.gif |
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| 14:59.11 | dacer | I have to type only "init 2" |
| 14:59.38 | penguin42 | Blissex: Hmm kdm seems to be in 2 for me |
| 14:59.39 | valdyn | !iirc |
| 14:59.39 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 14:59.41 | ireverentReveren | valdyn by the way, i would just like to thank you for taking the time to help me, and pointing out all these little things that would be SUCH a pain to lookup on my own and i might not even know to LOOK for... ie the initrd thing.... |
| 14:59.46 | takatumi | ryushe: I don't have an nvidia card, but I think that should do it. |
| 14:59.53 | dacer | dpkg ok |
| 14:59.53 | dpkg | [ok] okay |
| 14:59.59 | tarzeau | paulswm: yeah, www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/emacs.png |
| 15:00.07 | ireverentReveren | ryushe takatumi thats all i had to do |
| 15:00.18 | tarzeau | paulswm: lol |
| 15:00.36 | paulswm | tarzeau: I'll have to get over the NextStep, stupid to ignore stuff for emotional reasons. 'Not logical', as Mr. Spock would say. |
| 15:00.47 | valdyn | dpkg, forget ok |
| 15:01.16 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Oh. |
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| 15:01.34 | norm_ | Hi all, installing Deb on a ASUS K8V SE with Promise IDE RAID, I can get it to recognize the promise controller, but it fails to pickup the hard drives. Any suggestions?? |
| 15:01.39 | paulswm | tarzeau: Cool screenshot :) |
| 15:01.50 | ryushe | ireverentReveren > thanks ;) |
| 15:01.51 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Haha, is GNUstep miniwindow icon for "kitchen sink"? |
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| 15:02.15 | ireverentReveren | ryushe no problem... i do what i can ;-) which typically is not much at this point |
| 15:02.23 | penguin42 | norm_: I'd look in the bios and see if there is an option to disable the RAID aspect of it; but I haven't had experience with that controller |
| 15:02.35 | ryushe | hehe |
| 15:02.39 | norm_ | k |
| 15:02.58 | Skaag | ok it looks like I originally made my kernel package with the --rootcmd fakeroot option, and it looks like it won't boot from a regular drive as a result (local physical drive, as opposed to the netboot i used to have), is this normal? |
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| 15:03.01 | Rage_ | when trying to connect via ssh to my debian box I'm getting the following error "Unable to authenticate using any of the configured authentication methods" everything with sshd is default, not sure where to look to solve this |
| 15:03.08 | sanxiyn | Kitchen sink emacs. |
| 15:03.22 | norm_ | I realy did want to use RAID, but if I have to, I might use LVM or something |
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| 15:03.38 | valdyn | norm_: that doesnt mean you cannot use "raid" |
| 15:03.45 | valdyn | !sata raid |
| 15:03.50 | norm_ | IDE |
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| 15:04.28 | valdyn | norm_: linux doesnt support the cripple raid of those sata controllers anyway, you would use software raid |
| 15:04.48 | norm_ | I thought that might be the case |
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| 15:04.58 | FieldySnuts | more accurately, those are not 100% raid cards, so linux can't support them as 100% raid cards, only software raid |
| 15:05.00 | paulswm | tarzeau: I have a pretty clunky looking gnome desktop, don't bother too much with 'cool', maybe if I hang on to it for a few years it will be retro cool: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/pooh.png (dig the CPU load though) |
| 15:05.13 | tsume | caphuso: I'm giving this channel the "Troll/Op abuse mega unfriendly award" |
| 15:05.24 | guffe74 | Anyone knows how to get a Performa 6400/200 powerpc to boot from CD? I only have a blank HDD and wants to install debian (im a newbie) |
| 15:05.26 | FieldySnuts | tsume: right, and you just didn't troll. |
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| 15:05.31 | caphuso | .cc |
| 15:05.33 | norm_ | Thanks valdyn |
| 15:05.34 | caphuso | damn |
| 15:05.41 | FieldySnuts | coming from that hostname, no surprise |
| 15:06.08 | caphuso | well, that certainly makes my day. being disliked by a moron, that is |
| 15:06.13 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:06.34 | ireverentReveren | guffe74 i think you need to hit a key at boot.... iirc "c" |
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| 15:06.46 | sanxiyn | #debian awarded! hooray! |
| 15:06.46 | tarzeau | paulswm: i find so much contrast and colors, and thick borders hilarious and distracting |
| 15:06.54 | simonrvn | i'd do @hug caphuso but well, that'd be rather pointless, since your feelings weren't hurt |
| 15:06.55 | guffe74 | Been there, done that.... |
| 15:06.58 | ireverentReveren | guffe74 at least that is how the newer macs work... not sure what key though |
| 15:06.58 | tarzeau | paulswm: but to each his own |
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| 15:07.28 | ireverentReveren | guffe74 sorry then, no idea |
| 15:07.36 | guffe74 | If I hit "C" it wants to boot from floppy. |
| 15:07.42 | restrex | configure: error: Unable to find GhostScript in the PATH. how can I fix that? :S |
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| 15:07.52 | asg | restrex: install gs-esd |
| 15:08.03 | asg | restrex: install gs-esp |
| 15:08.07 | restrex | thanks asg |
| 15:08.07 | paulswm | tarzeau: I spend most of my time in terms anyway, cleaning up the look is one of those things which I'm always going to do "tomorrow" |
| 15:08.08 | restrex | :P |
| 15:08.22 | beboo | I've just installed debian sarge, and created a new kernel. But when i try to install it/run lilo, it says: Fatal: Filesystem would be destroyed by LILO boot sector: /dev/hda1 :o |
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| 15:08.53 | penguin42 | guffe74: See http://www.uk.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-install-cd there seems to be some notes and a four key combo :-) |
| 15:08.59 | valdyn | beboo: you're trying to install lilo where? |
| 15:09.06 | paulswm | beboo: You should be putting the boot sector on hda not hda1 I think |
| 15:09.11 | tarzeau | paulswm: i've got alot of Terminal.app's too ;) |
| 15:09.17 | guffe74 | penguin42: Thanks |
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| 15:09.37 | irene | hola! |
| 15:09.38 | beboo | paulswm: hm, its just default configuration |
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| 15:09.49 | davardo | ireene: Hola! |
| 15:10.12 | paulswm | tarzeau: I know it sounds odd, but I'd rather do stuff command line, hate that stuff may be going on behind a UI of which I'm not aware :) |
| 15:10.31 | beboo | Ah working now. Thanks paulswm ;) |
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| 15:10.50 | paulswm | beboo: You are most welcome! |
| 15:10.56 | sanxiyn | paulswm: Odd indeed... |
| 15:11.35 | sanxiyn | Things are behind UI (be it GUI or CLI) anyway. |
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| 15:12.47 | cahoot | especially since text is a gui to language |
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| 15:13.04 | paulswm | sanxiyn: I know. That was kind of a dumb thing for me to say, really, didn't put it very well or accurately. |
| 15:13.21 | takatumi | paulswm: if it's all CLI that you want, you should be running ion ;) |
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| 15:13.44 | [Granger] | WEBCAM_GirL don't msg me |
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| 15:13.53 | asg | stew: I guess you win |
| 15:14.00 | FieldySnuts | "pussy-village"?? |
| 15:14.05 | dtwazere | dont ask |
| 15:14.12 | FieldySnuts | is that the name of the town? |
| 15:14.20 | Phated | No duh, it's a village. |
| 15:14.21 | stew | asg: hehe |
| 15:14.22 | Phated | XD |
| 15:14.23 | dtwazere | no |
| 15:14.34 | dtwazere | anyways i need help |
| 15:14.35 | asg | FieldySnuts: probably gwdywu in welsh |
| 15:14.46 | paulswm | takatumi: I do all CLI on my work Sun systems, except for writing Oracle SPs as Oracle doesn't have a nice curses tool like Informix' dbaccess |
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| 15:14.51 | FieldySnuts | ooo |
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| 15:15.29 | sanxiyn | Well, curses is not CLI. |
| 15:15.31 | dtwazere | can any1 help me? |
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| 15:15.40 | FieldySnuts | damn! live version of monty python - albatross "do ya get wafers with it?" "course ya don't get fucking wafers with it, ya c*cksucker!!!" |
| 15:15.43 | penguin42 | dtwazere: Only if you ask your question |
| 15:15.44 | asg | dtwazere: we don't even know what your problem is yet |
| 15:15.48 | dtwazere | I have a laptop, it uses wireless lan dlink card to connect to the internet, i have to install off the dlink cd in windows to use it, before i download and install debian, will i be able to use this, set up my ip adress and configure the card to connect to the connection, how do i do this if i cant? plz help!!!!!! |
| 15:15.49 | si|vercat | how do I mount bin/cue images? |
| 15:15.52 | FieldySnuts | not used to hearing john cleese swear heh |
| 15:16.01 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:16.05 | asg | FieldySnuts: hollywood bowl? |
| 15:16.09 | dtwazere | i connect using a card to the net |
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| 15:16.13 | sanxiyn | si|vercat: Convert it to iso. |
| 15:16.14 | FieldySnuts | druery something |
| 15:16.24 | paulswm | Drury Lane |
| 15:16.24 | FieldySnuts | drury lane |
| 15:16.27 | pitubaby | hay algun espa;ol |
| 15:16.31 | asg | !es |
| 15:16.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:16.58 | sanxiyn | Can someone add "bin/cue" factoid? |
| 15:16.58 | pitubaby | me llamo irene un espa;ol |
| 15:16.58 | paulswm | The Secret Service sketch is a hoot on that album |
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| 15:17.07 | FieldySnuts | yeah, never heard that before |
| 15:17.10 | asg | pitubaby: tu /j #debian-es por favor |
| 15:17.13 | Fluten | can i use "dd if=/dev/hdd of=/root/image.iso" to make an iso image, or will it not be in the propor iso format? |
| 15:17.29 | [Granger] | WEBCAM_GirL == onjoins |
| 15:17.31 | FieldySnuts | won't be in the proper iso format |
| 15:17.33 | pitubaby | asq hablas espa;ol |
| 15:17.40 | asg | pitubaby: no |
| 15:17.41 | FieldySnuts | [Granger]: yeah, that nick was doing that to other chans too |
| 15:17.46 | paulswm | "Can't have a Russian joining the British Secret Service, it wouldn't be secret", iirc |
| 15:17.49 | FieldySnuts | alindeman: WEBCAM_GirL is onjoin spamming a lot of channels |
| 15:17.50 | pitubaby | pero lo entiendes |
| 15:17.51 | [Granger] | well someone throw it out |
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| 15:18.09 | FieldySnuts | Fluten: use mkisofs instead (part of cdrtools) |
| 15:18.10 | stew | [Granger]: talk to #freenode or someone from freenode.staff |
| 15:18.23 | FieldySnuts | Fluten: note it will take a VERY long time to make an iso image of an entire drive |
| 15:18.36 | [Granger] | stew: no ops awake? |
| 15:18.39 | pitubaby | asq quieres hablar conmigo |
| 15:18.53 | FieldySnuts | @ops WEBCAM_GirL is onjoin message spamming |
| 15:18.58 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: WEBCAM_GirL is onjoin message spamming |
| 15:19.02 | asg | pitubaby: no, yo no hablo espanol. |
| 15:19.05 | paulswm | !es |
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| 15:19.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:19.09 | FieldySnuts | nevermind :) |
| 15:19.12 | dtwazere | i connect to the net through a dlink air wireless connection card on my laptop, i have successfully set it up on xp installed it off the cd and it works, i configured it where to connect, how can i do this on debian???????? |
| 15:19.15 | stew | [Granger]: it hasn't done anything in channel so its not a channel problem its a freenode problem |
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| 15:19.27 | [Granger] | stew: it's k-lined anyway |
| 15:19.30 | FieldySnuts | mentor: got klined |
| 15:19.36 | pitubaby | pues lo escribes muy bien |
| 15:19.43 | FieldySnuts | #DEBIAN-ES |
| 15:19.44 | FieldySnuts | geez |
| 15:19.49 | pitubaby | eres ingles |
| 15:19.50 | Baby | pitubaby creo que en este canal es mejor hablar en ingles |
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| 15:19.56 | penguin42 | dtwazere: Have you managed to install Debian on the machine or are you trying to network install? |
| 15:19.59 | FieldySnuts | #debian-en , puto |
| 15:20.07 | dtwazere | i have installed it on my machine |
| 15:20.11 | pitubaby | hablas conmigo |
| 15:20.14 | dtwazere | on a partition |
| 15:20.21 | pitubaby | Baby |
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| 15:20.42 | asuffield | (the really amusing part is that's mostly a list of the inactive chanops; most of the active ones edited themselves out of the list, because it's annoying) |
| 15:20.43 | Baby | pitubaby si, el canal para hablar en español, como te estan diciendo, es #debian-es |
| 15:20.59 | pitubaby | es que no tengo internet |
| 15:21.00 | FieldySnuts | asuffield: yeah. way to take care of the chan |
| 15:21.01 | asg | asuffield: true, haven't seen eeyore- in ages |
| 15:21.04 | FieldySnuts | @stfu pitubaby |
| 15:21.06 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP pitubaby! |
| 15:21.07 | pitubaby | hablas comigo en privado |
| 15:21.17 | Baby | ok |
| 15:21.22 | pitubaby | BAby |
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| 15:21.29 | sanxiyn | bin/cue is image format of Golden Hawk CDRWin. mplayer can play it on the fly. cdrdao can burn it. bchunk can convert it to ISO. CDemu for Linux can simulate mount. |
| 15:21.31 | asg | Baby: is 'hablas conmigo' 'speak with me' ? |
| 15:21.32 | Baby | ravenbird there's no need to say things like that |
| 15:21.33 | ravenbird | bugger all, i dunno, Baby |
| 15:21.34 | paulswm | dtwazere: There's a Wireless howto at tldp.org, and how you do it depends on whether your card is suported or not. If not, you'll need ndiswrapper |
| 15:21.39 | sanxiyn | (Someone add that to factoid) |
| 15:21.50 | dtwazere | thanx so much! |
| 15:21.53 | Baby | i'm just trying to explain to her that this is an english-only channel |
| 15:21.58 | pitubaby | yo ahun no lo domino |
| 15:22.01 | pitubaby | este chat |
| 15:22.04 | paulswm | dtwazere: You are welcome |
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| 15:22.15 | Baby | she seems to be new to the irc |
| 15:22.19 | FieldySnuts | Baby: hopeless |
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| 15:22.51 | asuffield | people who don't grasp it from the first message (which should have been crafted to make it blindingly obvious what channel they should be in) very rarely get it just because you argue with them for half an hour |
| 15:23.16 | Phated | Awww, asuffield, you ruined it. |
| 15:23.43 | asuffield | I can ruin lots more stuff, too |
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| 15:24.17 | vile_maxim | Anyone know why exim would accept then freeze a message because "User unknown in local recipient table". The sender is not a user and the recipient is not a user. Why accept the message at all. |
| 15:24.39 | asuffield | vile_maxim: creative misconfiguration, usually |
| 15:24.40 | Rebecca | peterS: btw: it's now working, thanks :) |
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| 15:24.53 | peterS | Rebecca: heh, cool |
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| 15:25.45 | vile_maxim | asuffield, well, that's kinda what I figured.... but looking through the conf file I having fond anything, nor has google or exim.org help. |
| 15:25.57 | asg | vile_maxim: anyone alive in #exim |
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| 15:26.18 | vile_maxim | having tried there yet... my next stop |
| 15:26.20 | asuffield | vile_maxim: play with exim -bt, -brw, and similar stuff. it should be reasonably easy to figure out what it's doing |
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| 15:26.33 | vile_maxim | asuffield, tanks |
| 15:26.40 | asuffield | if it's not obvious, you'll have to go ask the exim people |
| 15:26.41 | paulswm | dtwazere: please don't msg me, thanks |
| 15:27.01 | Baby | asg sorry i didn't answer you ... "hablas conmigo?" means "do you speak with me?" |
| 15:27.23 | paulswm | dtwazere: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Wireless-HOWTO.html |
| 15:27.24 | asg | Baby: ah. But without the '?' did it indicate an imperative? |
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| 15:27.37 | paulswm | dtwazere: my mistake, I forgot the 'www'. |
| 15:27.39 | Baby | it should have a ? |
| 15:27.45 | asg | Baby: okay, thanks |
| 15:27.56 | Baby | yep, without a ? is an imperative |
| 15:28.07 | Baby | but in the context, it seemed to be a question |
| 15:28.07 | dtwazere | kk thanx 1ce agen |
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| 15:28.16 | paulswm | dtwazere: yw |
| 15:28.23 | Baby | "hablas conmigo" would mean "you speak with me" |
| 15:28.30 | alcachi | hi, I am trying to record sound from the microphone using "rec" and "aumix" but I only get a 'tac,tac,...' |
| 15:28.48 | penguin42 | akachi: Are you sure you have the microphone selected as the record source? |
| 15:28.52 | alcachi | I am using the OSS via82cxxx module |
| 15:29.03 | alcachi | penguin42, yes I select it using aumix |
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| 15:29.29 | penguin42 | akachi: Hmm, in that case I would try Alsa |
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| 15:30.09 | alcachi | penguin42, for play back it works perfectly |
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| 15:30.36 | alcachi | penguin42, in any case I have kernel 2.6 so I could try alsa |
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| 15:32.14 | beboo | Hmm, when using xfs, do i need to compile xfs into the kernel or as a module? I've just tried compiling it into the kernel, creating a initrd image with the module too, but i still wont boot :/ |
| 15:32.29 | thomas_adam | beboo: Into the kernel, requires no initrd. |
| 15:32.35 | penguin42 | akachi: Nod; I've had problems with the via82 in the past - you really do seem to have to get them in just the right mood :-) See if aumix lists any other switches for the card (odd things like external amps etc) - I've even heard of one case where the in/out sockets were the wrong way |
| 15:32.35 | thomas_adam | beboo: This is how you should be doing it. |
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| 15:32.51 | beboo | I tried that in the first case, but i didn't work. |
| 15:32.54 | penguin42 | beboo: In the kernel it should work; in a module you will need an initrd |
| 15:33.08 | thomas_adam | beboo: Then you must have forgot things like block IDE support, etc. |
| 15:33.18 | penguin42 | beboo: What error do you get? |
| 15:33.20 | alcachi | is there any option in debian sarge to ask for alsa instead of oss? |
| 15:33.22 | FieldySnuts | exim[22507]: 2005-02-13 10:32:28 H=(127.0.0.1) [211.162.137.86] F=<ernie_apryorxo@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> rejected RCPT |
| 15:33.26 | FieldySnuts | cough. |
| 15:33.33 | thomas_adam | alcachi: 2.6 kernels come with ALSA as the de facto. |
| 15:33.34 | beboo | Unknown root partion 302 or something like that |
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| 15:33.52 | goron | I am getting an error when doing apt-get install somepackage: |
| 15:33.52 | goron | String found where operator expected at /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure line 96, near "die sprintf(gettext("" |
| 15:33.53 | penguin42 | beboo: Its the something that is important :-) |
| 15:33.55 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.03 | alcachi | I have 2.6 but it is using oss: via82cxxx |
| 15:34.11 | asg | goron: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 15:34.13 | penguin42 | goron: Yeh I've got that as well |
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| 15:34.23 | thomas_adam | alcachi: That's ALSA. |
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| 15:34.33 | ralf | Ciao |
| 15:34.40 | penguin42 | goron: Its just an attempt to make sid feel unstable otherwise people would think it was stable |
| 15:34.42 | beboo | penguin42: well i haven't removed any stuff, and i haven't got a problem like that before with a kernel :o |
| 15:34.56 | goron | penguin42: (: |
| 15:35.06 | beboo | it's like my 20kernel :/ |
| 15:35.20 | mwilson | goron: Yes, it's a debconf bug, fixed for at least two weeks, you could have actually checked the BTS. |
| 15:35.45 | mwilson | Oh, wait... unstable users never do that. |
| 15:35.48 | penguin42 | beboo: So the full error is important - you need to figure out whether it is 1) A problem finding the device (302 is hda2 ?) such as a msising IDE driver, or a problem with the filesystem |
| 15:35.59 | thomas_adam | s/unstable/some unstable/ |
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| 15:36.15 | beboo | okay, momento then |
| 15:36.16 | alcachi | thomas_adam, /lib/modules/2.6.5-1-k7/kernel/sound/oss/via82cxxx_audio.ko |
| 15:36.27 | ralf | i have a network interface with several ipv6 addresses, how can I let ifup add all the addresses instead of adding them manually with ifconfig add? |
| 15:36.44 | pitubaby | como se hace para hablar en espa;ol con mas gente? |
| 15:36.49 | alcachi | thomas_adam, that should be oss |
| 15:36.54 | asg | ralf: there is an example for ipv4 in the FAQ (/msg dpkg faq). It should work also with ipv6 |
| 15:36.59 | pitubaby | si alguien lo sabe porfavor que me lo diga |
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| 15:37.03 | FieldySnuts | we've been telling pitubaby where to go for over a half hour, geez, +q |
| 15:37.04 | ralf | thanks |
| 15:37.04 | thomas_adam | !+spanish |
| 15:37.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:37.05 | ireverentReveren | !es |
| 15:37.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:37.06 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Oh, no, don't make that edit. By and large, unstable users are clueless and don't even know what the BTS *is*. |
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| 15:37.18 | goron | Is there a userspace program that connects to Debian BTS? So that I can pipe an error to it? |
| 15:37.23 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Heh. :) I can't help but agree with that. |
| 15:37.30 | ireverentReveren | TheEmperor great minds think alike |
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| 15:37.39 | asg | goron: reportbug has the quertybts tool |
| 15:37.41 | thomas_adam | goron: install reportbug, and see quertbts. |
| 15:37.49 | asg | s/querty/query/ |
| 15:37.59 | thomas_adam | s/t/y :P |
| 15:38.12 | mwilson | thomas_adam: That won't do what you want. |
| 15:38.21 | pitubaby | si alguien sabe como se hace para hablar con gente espa;ola que me lo diga porfavor |
| 15:38.21 | mwilson | "reportybug" :) |
| 15:38.29 | mwilson | er, "reporybug" |
| 15:38.31 | thomas_adam | Ha! :) |
| 15:38.39 | thomas_adam | So my keyboard is teh suck. :) |
| 15:38.45 | Phated | Actually, it would result in "inyall". |
| 15:38.46 | FieldySnuts | +q pitubaby , nudge nudge |
| 15:38.50 | Phated | Well, insyall. |
| 15:38.59 | mwilson | Ouch, missed that one. |
| 15:39.13 | isah | can sb say me how to start gnome if i made "apt-get gnome"? |
| 15:39.15 | thomas_adam | pitubaby: :| |
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| 15:39.33 | pitubaby | que algui'en me lo explique |
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| 15:39.41 | thomas_adam | isah: gnome-session ? |
| 15:39.49 | isah | ok, thx |
| 15:39.59 | goron | Thank you |
| 15:40.08 | alcachi | thomas_adam, which generic modules should I have if I have alsa? |
| 15:40.13 | thomas_adam | isah: Two ways: 1) use update-alternatives, 2) create a ~/.xsession file. |
| 15:40.20 | FieldySnuts | pitubaby: #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es #debian-es |
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| 15:40.27 | thomas_adam | alcachi: Generic? |
| 15:40.38 | beboo | Unknown root fs 301 is the kernel error |
| 15:40.42 | FieldySnuts | fuck, why do I try |
| 15:40.44 | asg | penguin42: basically anything sussudio says |
| 15:40.52 | Baby | FieldySnuts she is new to IRC |
| 15:40.52 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Don't tell the clueless to mess with update-alternatives... they just break things. |
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| 15:40.55 | alcachi | thomas_adam, I mean the one that then loads the specific module for your card |
| 15:41.02 | Baby | is it so difficult to be polite? |
| 15:41.08 | pitubaby | FieldySnuts me pones en privado y me lo explicas? |
| 15:41.18 | pitubaby | porfavor |
| 15:41.20 | Ronin | Baby: they have been very polite so far |
| 15:41.20 | thomas_adam | alcachi: Use alsaconf, if you must. |
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| 15:41.28 | mwilson | They always think they rate prvate help. |
| 15:41.30 | asg | Baby: politeness only lasts so long |
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| 15:41.36 | Baby | ok, i see |
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| 15:41.42 | Baby | it's up to you |
| 15:41.46 | FieldySnuts | if she can't figure out how to join a channel, then they shouldn't be on irc. we've been doing this the past half hour |
| 15:41.50 | Baby | be polite or not, i don't mind at all then |
| 15:41.52 | alcachi | thomas_adam, thanks, I will try |
| 15:42.00 | penguin42 | beboo: So take a few steps back; give up on the initrd stuff for the moment - go to building xfs and all your IDE stuff into a big monolithic kernel and try again |
| 15:42.01 | Phated | Or, like, Baby shoudl teach her how to join channels. |
| 15:42.05 | Phated | should. |
| 15:42.11 | FieldySnuts | tried more than once |
| 15:42.12 | Baby | it's what i'm trying to do |
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| 15:42.18 | beboo | penguin42: I just did that before i rebooted |
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| 15:42.27 | thomas_adam | beboo: Allowing us to see your .config file for this kernel would help. |
| 15:42.31 | penguin42 | beboo: Put your .config file somewhere we can all eyeball it? |
| 15:42.42 | Phated | And no, on #debian is not the place. |
| 15:42.50 | beboo | moment :) |
| 15:42.53 | asg | Baby: then just pm pitubaby and explain that '/part #debian and /join #debian-es' would be a good idea |
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| 15:42.57 | thomas_adam | beboo: I'm betting it's still a PEBAK issue. |
| 15:43.04 | beboo | pebak? |
| 15:43.08 | Baby | asg it's what i'm trying to do |
| 15:43.09 | thomas_adam | beboo: rather like I have at the moment with this keyboard. |
| 15:43.18 | asg | Baby: okay |
| 15:43.22 | Baby | :) |
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| 15:43.44 | beboo | http://home.woob.org/~beboo/dotconfig |
| 15:43.44 | Baby | anyway she doesn't seem to speak english :P |
| 15:43.57 | Baby | so she's probably not understanding you at all |
| 15:43.58 | Phated | Yes, we can see -that-. |
| 15:44.12 | pitubaby | que alguien me lo explique |
| 15:44.22 | thomas_adam | beboo: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=m |
| 15:44.25 | thomas_adam | beboo: woops. |
| 15:44.28 | pitubaby | pero por privado |
| 15:44.35 | beboo | thats floppydisc? |
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| 15:44.49 | Skaag | i don't get it.. i run make menuconfig, i mark the sk98lin driver as module, i make the kernel package, and it's not there... am I missing something?! |
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| 15:45.31 | penguin42 | beboo: This standard parallel-IDE ? |
| 15:45.37 | thomas_adam | beboo: CONFIG_RAMFS=y <-- remove that. |
| 15:45.49 | Xaqueth | I have USB hub as a PCMCIA card, and I got there 128mb USB memory stick, how can I mount it? |
| 15:45.54 | Phated | Skaag: Did you, you know, load it? |
| 15:45.56 | beboo | penguin42: huh? |
| 15:45.58 | beboo | thomas_adam: ok |
| 15:46.06 | Skaag | Phated: load it where?! |
| 15:46.06 | penguin42 | beboo: Not SATA |
| 15:46.18 | penguin42 | beboo: I'd probably add CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC |
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| 15:46.19 | beboo | oh nope, not sata |
| 15:46.19 | Phated | Skaag: "modprobe whatever"? |
| 15:46.31 | Skaag | Phated: I go to /lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/net/ and there's no sk98lin directory as expected |
| 15:46.32 | beboo | penguin42: should be there |
| 15:46.38 | Baby | hmm she seems not to be able to understand/execute /join |
| 15:46.39 | penguin42 | beboo: Nope, isn't |
| 15:46.45 | beboo | uhm odd |
| 15:46.50 | thomas_adam | Skaag: How did you invoke make-kpkg ? make-kpkg modules_install ? |
| 15:46.51 | Baby | so probably everything will start again |
| 15:46.59 | Phated | Baby: Never mind /join, teach her /part. |
| 15:47.10 | beboo | oh its loaded as a module |
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| 15:47.33 | Baby | it'd be better for everybody if you just /ignored her instead of getting angry :P |
| 15:47.52 | SPF | does someone know how to run both bt client & server on the same computer? |
| 15:47.54 | thomas_adam | I'm dangerous sat at this keyboard. |
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| 15:48.01 | thomas_adam | SPF: See the manpages. |
| 15:48.01 | Phated | Of course. |
| 15:48.17 | SPF | well, I am running both |
| 15:48.24 | SPF | but it seems that the client cannot connect |
| 15:48.29 | penguin42 | beboo: You said that was 301 - last time you said 302 - you sure you've got the right root partition? |
| 15:48.32 | Skaag | thomas_adam: with the following params: kernel_image modules_image |
| 15:48.42 | Skaag | after --initrd |
| 15:48.47 | SPF | I get a timeout |
| 15:49.08 | beboo | penguin42: i didn't remember the first error, thought it was 302, but it was 301 |
| 15:49.17 | thomas_adam | Skaag: Right, so now do: make-kpkg modules_clean && make-kpkg modules_image |
| 15:49.22 | penguin42 | beboo: So is your root partition hda1 or hda2? |
| 15:49.29 | Skaag | thomas_adam: bugger me!!! :-| |
| 15:49.29 | thomas_adam | Skaag: What makes you think you need an initrd? |
| 15:49.34 | Rage_ | when trying to connect via ssh to my debian box I'm getting the following error "Unable to authenticate using any of the configured authentication methods" everything with sshd is default, not sure where to look to solve this? |
| 15:49.34 | beboo | hda1 |
| 15:49.40 | thomas_adam | Skaag: No thanks. |
| 15:49.55 | Skaag | thomas_adam: I meant, I should bugger myself :-> |
| 15:50.00 | beboo | So http://home.woob.org/~beboo/dotconfig should be correct now? |
| 15:50.06 | thomas_adam | Rage_: Check /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 15:50.16 | asg | Rage_: ssh -vv on the client to get some debugging, /var/log/auth.log on the server for more information |
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| 15:50.34 | penguin42 | beboo: Well I dunno then; that new config looks ok to me |
| 15:50.43 | beboo | ok |
| 15:50.47 | Rage_ | ok, thanks |
| 15:50.48 | penguin42 | beboo: Although you have modules enabled for LOADS of things - it must take ages to build |
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| 15:50.54 | thomas_adam | penguin42: Then look again. |
| 15:50.57 | thomas_adam | beboo: via menuconfig |
| 15:51.02 | irene | hola |
| 15:51.03 | penguin42 | thomas: What did I miss? |
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| 15:51.16 | thomas_adam | penguin42: He has support from a RAMDISK set to y. |
| 15:51.18 | irene | algun espa;ol? |
| 15:51.21 | beboo | penguin42: its a dual xeon 2.8 ghz, so the compile takes 2-5 minutes :) |
| 15:51.25 | FieldySnuts | god not another one. |
| 15:51.28 | thomas_adam | s.from.for. |
| 15:51.28 | beboo | wtf i removed that ramdisk support manually |
| 15:51.32 | irene | one espa;ol_ |
| 15:51.36 | penguin42 | thomas: Whats wrong with enabling a ramdisc? |
| 15:51.37 | irene | ? |
| 15:51.47 | Daani | how do a remove a folder with rm when its not empty? |
| 15:51.51 | thomas_adam | penguin42: Because it will expect one. |
| 15:51.55 | FieldySnuts | man rm |
| 15:51.56 | thomas_adam | Daani: rm -fr |
| 15:51.59 | asg | FieldySnuts: same one, different nick |
| 15:52.07 | Baby | irene ... en este canal no hay nadie que hable español mas que yo |
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| 15:52.11 | alcachi | thomas_adam, I configured alsa, can I use aumix now to set the recording source? |
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| 15:52.19 | thomas_adam | alcachi: No, use alsamixer. |
| 15:52.21 | irene | que mierda no? |
| 15:52.25 | penguin42 | thomas: Really? The error he is getting is off 301 - so thats the right device |
| 15:52.28 | beboo | when changing something in .config, and running make menuconfig afterwards, doen't it use .config? |
| 15:52.30 | takatumi | thomas_adam: have it enabled here, boots fine without initrd. |
| 15:52.33 | alcachi | thomas_adam, ok thanks |
| 15:52.34 | Evon150 | updates who cares list |
| 15:52.37 | _rene_ | Baby: this is an *english* channel. either speak english or look for a spanish(? pseaking channel |
| 15:52.51 | thomas_adam | takatumi: With respect to what he also had in his .config, I mean. |
| 15:53.10 | beboo | anyway, hoping is working now |
| 15:53.10 | Baby | i'm just trying to help ok? |
| 15:53.12 | asg | _rene_: Baby is trying explain to irene nee pitubaby that very thing |
| 15:53.25 | takatumi | thomas_adam: true. |
| 15:53.30 | FieldySnuts | I suggest ignoring all of them |
| 15:53.30 | _rene_ | asg: ah |
| 15:53.31 | FieldySnuts | annoying |
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| 15:53.34 | thomas_adam | alcachi: This assumes you have alsa-utils installed. |
| 15:53.34 | beboo | rebooting :o |
| 15:53.40 | asg | _rene_: it's been going on now for 45 minutes ;) |
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| 15:53.50 | alcachi | thomas_adam, I installed them to configure alsa |
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| 15:54.02 | thomas_adam | alcachi: That's a start, then. ;) |
| 15:54.07 | alcachi | thomas_adam, it seems I was using OSS |
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| 15:54.17 | alcachi | thomas_adam, but now I am trying alsa |
| 15:54.32 | alcachi | thomas_adam, snd-via82xx |
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| 15:55.18 | thomas_adam | alcachi: Uh huh. I too have a via chipset, along with millions of others, I dob't doubt. |
| 15:55.30 | Scorper | hey, I ran into some problems when trying to install Debian (sarge) |
| 15:55.35 | alcachi | thomas_adam, instead of via82cxxx_audio |
| 15:55.43 | thomas_adam | Scorper: Ask in #debian-boot, then. |
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| 15:55.53 | Scorper | ok |
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| 15:56.30 | pusz | #debian.pl |
| 15:56.51 | TimbrWolf | mail |
| 15:56.57 | TimbrWolf | lol |
| 15:56.58 | mir | hi can i apt-get kernel sources |
| 15:57.07 | thomas_adam | mir: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 15:57.12 | thomas_adam | mir: Then pick the one you want. |
| 15:57.23 | thomas_adam | mir: I suspect you probably really only want the kernel-headers package. |
| 15:57.40 | mir | i need to reconfig my kernal |
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| 15:57.46 | mir | well add modules |
| 15:57.50 | beboo | The same thing, wrote it down this time. |
| 15:57.58 | thomas_adam | mir: If it is just modules, you only need the kernel-headers. |
| 15:58.05 | mole | what parameters do i give to lilo to be able to mount from /dev/hde1? (on a promise-controller) |
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| 15:58.33 | thomas_adam | mole: boot= |
| 15:58.34 | mir | whats the differece between kernel-headers and kernel sources |
| 15:58.37 | penguin42 | mole: root=/dev/hde1 |
| 15:58.47 | beboo | VFS: Cannot mount open device "301" or unknown-block(3,1) \n Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount boot fs on unknown-block(3,1) |
| 15:58.50 | penguin42 | mir: The kernel-headers are just headers you need to compile user programmes |
| 15:58.52 | thenuke | SATA-HD and D-I hangs on "detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives......'loading module 'sd_mod' for SCSI disk support'. |
| 15:58.55 | thenuke | common problem? |
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| 15:59.08 | Skaag | thomas_adam: what happens when I do make-kpkg modules_image? does it modify the .deb file produced earlier? |
| 15:59.12 | mole | penguin42: root=/dev/hde1 says it cant boot..maybe it has another name or something? |
| 15:59.12 | valdyn | penguin42: no |
| 15:59.24 | penguin42 | valdyn: No? |
| 15:59.27 | thomas_adam | Skaag: It'll be in /usr/src/modules |
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| 15:59.46 | Skaag | thomas_adam: I don't have a /usr/src/modules folder... |
| 15:59.57 | beboo | What can cause the problems? |
| 16:00.02 | valdyn | mir / penguin42 : kernel-headers packages are whats required to compile external kernel modules |
| 16:00.02 | mir | so do i apt-cache search kernal-headers? |
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| 16:00.09 | xtreme | anybody know where enlightenment searches for startup commands ? i've tried .xinitrc and .xsession with no luck |
| 16:00.10 | alcachi | thomas_adam, you were right the problem of the wrong sound when recording was OSS driver |
| 16:00.12 | penguin42 | valdyn: Ah true |
| 16:00.17 | alcachi | thomas_adam, now with alsa it works fine |
| 16:00.23 | alcachi | thomas_adam, thank you very much |
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| 16:00.27 | mir | so i can pick the one i want |
| 16:00.33 | thomas_adam | alcachi: You're welcome. |
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| 16:00.41 | [Granger] | what's the command to reconfigure the network in debian? |
| 16:00.49 | thomas_adam | alcachi: Don't forget to comment out any OSS module references you might have in /etc/modules... |
| 16:00.52 | penguin42 | valdyn: I'm still too used to finding programmes that need the kernel-headers |
| 16:00.58 | thomas_adam | [Granger]: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:01.00 | asg | [Granger]: /msg dpkg faq, man 5 intefaces |
| 16:01.04 | Skaag | thomas_adam: so what do i do if there's no /usr/src/modules directory after i've run all that stuff? |
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| 16:01.10 | thomas_adam | Skaag: Cry. |
| 16:01.13 | valdyn | penguin42: they should use what is in the package linux-headers |
| 16:01.16 | mole | penguin42: says VFS: Cannot open root device "hde1" or 21:01 |
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| 16:01.24 | beboo | thomas_adam: Any ideas? :/ |
| 16:01.31 | thomas_adam | beboo: Nope. |
| 16:01.36 | Python_ | can anyone tell me the command to reconfig my xserver i forgot |
| 16:01.39 | Python_ | thanks |
| 16:01.40 | beboo | :( |
| 16:01.41 | thomas_adam | Skaag: Any .deb files in /usr/src ? |
| 16:01.44 | Skaag | thomas_adam: ok, I am! :-( |
| 16:01.46 | asg | Python_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:01.50 | penguin42 | beboo: I'd try a good rescue cd (knoppix ) and see what it makes of what is on the disc |
| 16:01.51 | [Granger] | asg: thanks |
| 16:01.59 | asg | [Granger]: you're welcome |
| 16:02.01 | Skaag | yes the kernel-image-2.6.10_date_here.deb file is there in /usr/src |
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| 16:02.04 | mwilson | penguin42: I thought you said a *good* rescue CD. |
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| 16:02.45 | thomas_adam | Skaag: Right. |
| 16:02.47 | beboo | penguin42: well i could also just install a default kernel image via apt-get, but that doesn't help me much |
| 16:03.01 | penguin42 | mwilson: Suggestions welcome - knoppix has got me out of a lot of holes |
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| 16:03.19 | Skaag | thomas_adam: And I can install it with no warnings or errors, and it boots |
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| 16:03.36 | beboo | hmm gonna try a kernel without the debian patches instead :o |
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| 16:03.50 | valdyn | mole: assuming you have all drivers compiled into your kernel or are using a debian provided kernel - your mainboard has the annoying habbit that ide devices are in a different order for linux than what grub thinks ( depending on how your bios is configured ) |
| 16:04.03 | penguin42 | beboo: I'd also try to cut down to the minimum config - you have the world and its dog enabled in that kernel |
| 16:04.23 | TimbrWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.47 | mole | valdyn: yeah im using 2.4.27-2-686 from debian sarge installer. but everything worked until i compiled a 2.4.29 stock-kernel and put it in lilo.conf ..i didnt change anything else..how can i edit lilo.conf without booting from my hdd? |
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| 16:04.51 | penguin42 | imho it would be damn useful if the kernel gave more debug when it can't mount root - e.g. a list of all the partitions it knows with the filesystem type on each |
| 16:05.21 | FieldySnuts | that's your job to find out / know (aka clue about your own system) |
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| 16:06.09 | valdyn | mole: you can hack around this by passing ide=reverse at lilos boot prompt |
| 16:06.12 | penguin42 | FS: Yeh but it is quite hard when trying to figure out someone elses system or trying to find out what you've missed out while trying to configure a system when half asleep |
| 16:06.18 | beboo | penguin42: well i dont know which stuff i can remove and which stuff i need :/ |
| 16:06.21 | Skaag | thomas_adam: I made the modules directory myself, reran the whole thing, and it's still empty |
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| 16:06.43 | mole | valdyn: ok so "ide=reverse root=/dev/hde1" at boot: ? |
| 16:06.46 | valdyn | mole: i might miss alot of info since im not following this, what i said is just one of things that might be the case.. try i guess |
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| 16:07.06 | valdyn | mole: for example yea |
| 16:07.20 | penguin42 | FS: Like in mole's case if it showed there was an hdb1 say you would have a clue what was going on much easier |
| 16:08.36 | mole | valdyn: no luck with that. it worked just fine before with 2.4.27 so i must have messed up in lilo.conf ..cant i boot on some rescue.img and edit it? |
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| 16:08.48 | mwilson | penguin42: Uh, if it can identify the filesystem type on each, then it can read each one, therefore you don't get the error. DO try thinking about it. |
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| 16:09.25 | Skaag | dang this is driving me crazy - i'm following the docs closely |
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| 16:09.34 | penguin42 | mwilson: I AM thinking about it - it won't know which one is the one that should be root - the kernel knows sets of partitions even if it hasn't been able to mount the one you told it to mount |
| 16:09.59 | valdyn | mole: yea, but i cant walk you thru this, i use a blank grub boot disk for things like that and just edit everything |
| 16:10.23 | penguin42 | valdyn: Yeh grub's autocomplete on partition/devices is damn useful |
| 16:10.31 | mole | valdyn: ok cus with the new sarge installer it seems you cant put new lilo in mbr without having to reinstall everything cus the partitioner comes up when i try that |
| 16:10.37 | thomas_adam | Skaag: If this is a module which is included in the kernel source, then it will be in the main kernel .deb (assuming you told it to be a module). If it is externel, then you will have to build it yourself -- probably easiest is to add the source to /usr/src/modules and let make-kpkg deal with it for you. |
| 16:11.30 | penguin42 | mwilson: Also if it told beboo that it could see a hda1 but didn't know the filesystem that would eliminate the possibility that it was his IDE setup that was wrong |
| 16:11.32 | valdyn | mole: you can alt-f2 , mount your partition, chroot into it and install lilo |
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| 16:11.59 | mole | valdyn: ok i guess netinstall-floppies wont be good enough for that ;) |
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| 16:12.31 | valdyn | !rescue sarge |
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| 16:13.12 | khjart | does anyone know when php 5 is coming as a package? |
| 16:13.25 | mwilson | When someone uploads it. |
| 16:13.26 | valdyn | mole: hit <tab> on lilos prompt and pick your old kernel might work |
| 16:13.29 | thomas_adam | khjart: WIR. |
| 16:13.37 | mwilson | Yet another clueless unstable user. |
| 16:13.43 | khjart | yes :) |
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| 16:13.56 | stew | khjart: probably not until after sarge releases |
| 16:14.05 | khjart | ok thanks |
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| 16:14.30 | mole | valdyn: 2.4.27-2-686 _is_ my old kernel. it came with the sarge installer. but it seems like i fucked up when i put 2.4.29 in lilo.conf so now neither of them boots |
| 16:15.04 | ireverentReveren | mole ouch |
| 16:15.23 | Skaag | where's the initrd option in make menuconfig? |
| 16:15.25 | ireverentReveren | i would use knoppix personally |
| 16:15.27 | valdyn | mole: don't see why it shouldnt work, unless you changed bios settings which in turn altered your ide device order |
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| 16:15.42 | Python_ | i did the dpkg-reconfigure server-free86 and the went to the command center and i still only had 640x460(or somthing like that) i would like my resalution to be 1024x800 is there any other way |
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| 16:16.01 | Skaag | found it |
| 16:16.13 | valdyn | mole: say, if you have only 1 ide controller active for your kernel, then your root is now /dev/hda1 |
| 16:16.13 | mole | valdyn: me neither ;) |
| 16:16.15 | chealer | Python_: you restarted X, right? |
| 16:16.20 | Python_ | ya |
| 16:16.24 | mole | valdyn: ok ill try /dev/hda1 |
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| 16:16.29 | Python_ | i even restarted my computer |
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| 16:17.02 | ireverentReveren | Skaag what is the option for? as in what does it do if you don't mind me asking |
| 16:17.04 | doubleh1 | since cron of this morning, syslog has been recreated, but is not filled any more by daemons ... what can cause that ? |
| 16:17.04 | asg | Python_: did you configure it to use 1024x768? Is that configured to be the default? does 'ctrl+alt+numberpad +/-' change the resolution? |
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| 16:17.52 | Python_ | yano |
| 16:17.58 | Python_ | no it dosnt |
| 16:18.24 | dae_ | Anyone know where can I find xperf packaged for debian sarge ??? |
| 16:18.28 | mole | valdyn: do you know if grub works with xfs on / now? i guess the reason why i got lilo with sarge was because of my xfs-fs |
| 16:18.34 | asg | Python_: then check /var/log/X*.log and see if the resolution you configured is usable by X. |
| 16:18.40 | asg | dae_: /msg dpkg search |
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| 16:19.33 | asg | Python_: alternately, configure X to _only_ use the resolution you want. |
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| 16:19.42 | Blitx | sup? |
| 16:20.26 | valdyn | can dynamically read Linux ext2fs, ReiserFS, JFS and _XFS_, BSD ufs,MS-DOS FAT16 and FAT32, Minix fs, and VSTa fs filesystems |
| 16:20.26 | asg | Blitx: the sunday boozerama started an hour or so ago. |
| 16:20.26 | valdyn | mole: ^^^ |
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| 16:20.26 | RichiH | asg: heh |
| 16:20.35 | asg | RichiH: well, it did here at any rate ;) |
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| 16:20.40 | Blitx | Well damnit, I missed it. Better late than never I guess! |
| 16:20.42 | dae_ | asg: I can't find it using either through /msg dpkg, apt-file, or apt-get.org... |
| 16:20.45 | RichiH | asg: good, good |
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| 16:21.09 | asg | dae_: then it likely hasn't been packaged, try www.debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 16:21.09 | beboo | Hmm, which patches is included in the debian version of the kernel? |
| 16:21.21 | RichiH | all day, the sun shone. now, when i actually need to leave the house, it is snowing and storming |
| 16:21.25 | valdyn | mole: ops, thats for the grub in sid, i cant tell for sarge |
| 16:22.16 | doubleh1 | since cron of this morning, syslog has been recreated, but is not filled any more by daemons ... what can cause that ? |
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| 16:22.34 | asg | doubleh1: is your /var partition full? |
| 16:22.59 | bmoore | doubleh1: did the syslogd daemon get restarted, or just the files rotated? |
| 16:23.02 | doubleh1 | asg: no ... non part is full |
| 16:23.24 | doubleh1 | bmoore: I have restarted syslogd and klogd ... did not help ... |
| 16:23.41 | asg | doubleh1: if you restart the daemons in question, do you then see logging again? |
| 16:23.43 | dae_ | asg: Yeah, I guess. But that is weird, xperf is really old and used to be part of pretty much any distribution... |
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| 16:24.21 | doubleh1 | asg: no ... nothing better ;9 |
| 16:24.23 | doubleh1 | :( |
| 16:24.40 | bmoore | doubleh1: Not even a comment that syslogd and klogd were starting up? |
| 16:25.19 | asg | dae_: hmmm |
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| 16:26.06 | asg | oh ffs |
| 16:26.07 | doubleh1 | bmoore: asg "Feb 13 06:47:03 localhost lpd[31040]: restarted" ... it is now 4pm in UK ... |
| 16:26.08 | pitubaby_2 | hola |
| 16:26.22 | Blitx | test |
| 16:26.23 | asg | pitubaby_2: go the fuck to #debian-es now. We don't speak Spanish here. go. |
| 16:26.45 | asg | doubleh1: so it is loging then? |
| 16:26.45 | FieldySnuts | be nice if we can get pitu's host banned, this has been going on almost 1.5 hours now |
| 16:26.48 | pitubaby_2 | asq quieres hablar conmigo? |
| 16:27.14 | Blitx | ellos no hablen espanol, pitubaby |
| 16:27.14 | asg | pitubaby_2: no, I don't speak Spanish. It isn't spoken here. |
| 16:27.18 | gravity | !tell pitubaby_2 about spanish |
| 16:27.27 | doubleh1 | asg: no ... I have at least 10 lines per 5mn ... and now nothing for 8h .... that is abnormal |
| 16:27.28 | asg | gravity: it's been told for hours and is clueless |
| 16:27.34 | FieldySnuts | don't respuond to pitu, don't tell it about the spanis factoids, this has been going on *1.5 hours* |
| 16:27.41 | Blitx | Pitubaby, ellos hablen espanol en #debian-es |
| 16:27.49 | asg | doubleh1: if you do 'logger test', does that show up in /var/log/syslog? |
| 16:27.49 | FieldySnuts | just ignore it's host (keeps coming back as different nicks) |
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| 16:28.06 | beboo | :p |
| 16:28.06 | asg | asuffield: thanks |
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| 16:28.07 | doubleh1 | asg: no |
| 16:28.14 | asuffield | that ought to do the trick |
| 16:28.14 | gravity | asg: That's what I figured, but a bunch of /msg windows is his problem, not mine |
| 16:28.15 | asg | doubleh1: then syslog is having issues. |
| 16:28.19 | Baby | hi gravity :) |
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| 16:28.39 | FieldySnuts | asuffield: good to see *somebody*'s watching over us :P |
| 16:28.40 | gravity | Baby: Hey there! :-) |
| 16:28.49 | Baby | :) |
| 16:28.58 | doubleh1 | asg: when i restart it, the restart script runs ok, but /var/log/syslog is not updated ... |
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| 16:29.22 | dacer | hi |
| 16:29.25 | skel_home | is automount(amd) what I'd use to mount my thumbdrive automatically? because I see in the man page for amd.conf that "all amd mount types must be nfs" ? |
| 16:29.30 | asg | doubleh1: what happens if you do 'touch /tmp/test' |
| 16:29.31 | Blitx | My beta IRC client took a dive--whoops |
| 16:30.12 | gravity | skel_home: No, like it says, that's for NFS only |
| 16:30.16 | dacer | I'm new to debian, not to linux, and in debian I can not find /dev/hda hdb hdc devices in /dev directory. Have I to create its? |
| 16:30.30 | penguin42 | dacer: What do you see in /dev ? |
| 16:30.58 | skel_home | gravity: interesting that I see an entry for a cdrom.. have you used amd ? |
| 16:31.16 | dacer | I will copy in pastebin, wait please |
| 16:31.18 | doubleh1 | asg: it is touched ... and also works in /var/log |
| 16:31.45 | skel_home | gravity: or are you just one of those posers that give out bad information? |
| 16:32.04 | valdyn | skel_home: he is right |
| 16:32.13 | dacer | http://www.pastebin.com/241405 |
| 16:32.31 | dacer | penguin42, do you see ? |
| 16:32.39 | gravity | skel_home: No, I've heard that before but never used it |
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| 16:32.42 | gravity | skel_home: I use gnome-volume-manager to automount CD's |
| 16:32.51 | dacer | ? |
| 16:32.51 | penguin42 | dacer: Which debian is this ? |
| 16:32.52 | skel_home | valdyn: so any explination on why there's options for fstypes of vfat and iso9660 if its for NFS only? |
| 16:33.01 | dacer | sarge |
| 16:33.04 | skel_home | gravity: ok, I'll give that a shot. |
| 16:33.07 | Skaag | thomas_adam: I understand that I need to unpack some kind of modules*.tgz file in /usr/src - where do I find this file? |
| 16:33.25 | dacer | I had some problem to install it |
| 16:33.30 | penguin42 | dacer: Does sarge use udev or similar? (Says he having used woody and sid but not sarge) |
| 16:33.39 | doubleh1 | asg: m]other idears ? running chkrootkit atm |
| 16:33.42 | dacer | I don't know |
| 16:33.46 | dacer | I 'm new to debian |
| 16:33.52 | mwilson | Testing and unstable do if you're unfortunate enough to have installed it. |
| 16:33.53 | penguin42 | dacer: Just do a df /dev |
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| 16:33.56 | dacer | and not a experience users of linux |
| 16:34.03 | simonrvn | ElectricElf: hiya :) |
| 16:34.12 | dacer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.12 | dacer | S.ficheros Bloques de 1K Usado Dispon Uso% Montado en |
| 16:34.12 | dacer | none 5120 712 4408 14% /dev |
| 16:34.14 | doubleh1 | dacer: we all have been :) |
| 16:34.16 | dalecp | hi. all. anyone have idea how to migrate 120gb ntfs (80gb full) to linux partition type without loosing data? |
| 16:34.26 | dalecp | hi. all. anyone have idea how to migrate 120gb ntfs (80gb full) to linux partition type without loosing data? |
| 16:34.33 | pipeline | dalecp: You're fucked. |
| 16:34.35 | paulswm | dacer: what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
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| 16:34.40 | doubleh1 | dacer: stop flooding; |
| 16:34.43 | dae_ | asg: Never mind.... I'm stupid, the program is called xperf but the command is called x11perf... It's already part of the base X window install. Grrr |
| 16:34.56 | caphuso | dalecp: backup, mkfs, restore backup |
| 16:34.59 | pipeline | dalecp: There are tools that will attempt to do what you want. I would examine qtparted and partition magic. Both have an extremely high chance of failure. |
| 16:35.01 | dacer | 3.1 |
| 16:35.07 | dacer | sorry doubleh1 |
| 16:35.16 | penguin42 | dalecp: Linux can read ntfs but not reliably write it; so if you can get another 80GB or so in Linux free then you can copy it accross |
| 16:35.18 | pipeline | dae_: what are you doing with xperf? :P |
| 16:35.45 | dacer | paulswn 3.1 |
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| 16:35.57 | eka | hi all |
| 16:36.07 | penguin42 | hi |
| 16:36.07 | dae_ | pipeline: I'm trying to fix a bug in the xserver causing my Matrox Mystique to hang, I need something that can exercise the Xserver for a longer time to do some overnight testing. |
| 16:36.07 | dalecp | its really bad so... i have no storage to backup 80gb... i know about ability to read ntfs, but... |
| 16:36.27 | penguin42 | dalecp: Is the data compressible? |
| 16:36.31 | dalecp | partition magic sucks, i tried once. |
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| 16:36.34 | eka | when my computer boots sounds is off but when i use alsaconf it comes to live... whats going on? |
| 16:36.40 | pipeline | dalecp: Well, you can try it, but I hope for your sake there's nothing you absolutely need on there. There's honestly no safe way to do this. |
| 16:36.55 | mwilson | Sure there is. He just can't use any of them. |
| 16:37.00 | dalecp | penguin42: nope, it's alll about divx and mp3. |
| 16:37.05 | mwilson | s/is/are |
| 16:37.08 | Kerr | I'm having trouble mounting my usb mp3 player. No idea how. are there any factoids on it? |
| 16:37.09 | mwilson | Oh, a pirate. |
| 16:37.11 | Kerr | !usbdrive |
| 16:37.17 | penguin42 | dalecp: Then go and buy yourself another 120GB drive - you'll enjoy it |
| 16:37.20 | Kerr | !usbmp3 |
| 16:37.29 | pipeline | dalecp: Well, then fuck it. Use partition magic or something. MP3's aren't exactly hard to replace. |
| 16:37.36 | asg | dae_: ah |
| 16:37.56 | doubleh1 | asg: You have 2 process hidden for ps command Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed - ??? |
| 16:38.07 | asg | doubleh1: that often shows up. |
| 16:38.16 | asg | doubleh1: have you updated today? is this a sid box? |
| 16:38.16 | dalecp | there are no things i can't find again, but it will take time :) |
| 16:38.21 | penguin42 | dalecp: There is a script - one that I wouldn't use unless I was truly desperate - it is called convertfs; It is supposed to be able to convert in place, but I wouldn't..... |
| 16:38.26 | doubleh1 | asg: SID, not updated since 3d |
| 16:38.33 | dacer | penguin42, do you see df output ??? |
| 16:38.35 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 16:38.35 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 16:38.41 | dalecp | he-he:) another 120gb too expansive:) |
| 16:38.41 | valdyn | Kerr: ^^^ |
| 16:38.44 | doubleh1 | asg: I mean ... just updated APT, but not upgraded packages |
| 16:38.46 | asg | doubleh1: you might want to check the bts, but I'm not aware of any issues. |
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| 16:39.01 | doubleh1 | asg: against what ? syslog ? |
| 16:39.02 | mwilson | dalecp: So is actually paying for what you get, huh? |
| 16:39.13 | asg | doubleh1: syslogd |
| 16:39.25 | asg | doubleh1: or sysklogd rather |
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| 16:39.38 | penguin42 | dacer: Yeh can you just look in /proc/mounts for the mount line for dev? |
| 16:39.40 | asg | doubleh1: also, try 'echo test > /var/log/syslog' and see if that produces an error |
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| 16:39.54 | asg | doubleh1: the only other thing might be that /dev/log got deleted |
| 16:39.54 | pipeline | mwilson: Jesus christ, do you have an axe to grind? Copyright protection isn't something you can count on outside the U.S. -- get used to it. |
| 16:39.55 | Xaqueth | USB drive is in /dev/sda, but where it is if drive is on PCMCIA card USB hub? |
| 16:39.56 | dalecp | may be part by part? 20GB linux partition, copy there 10 gb of NTFS, than expand linux partition using fucking partition magic or something? |
| 16:40.09 | pipeline | dalecp: Expanding the linux partition is easy. |
| 16:40.17 | pipeline | dalecp: Making the NTFS partition smaller is the dangerous and difficult part. |
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| 16:40.30 | penguin42 | Xaqueth: It will still be sda if there is only one usb or scsi drive |
| 16:40.32 | dacer | ok, type in pastebin, refresh |
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| 16:40.42 | pipeline | dalecp: I would just choose 40G of stuff you really, really want to keep and trash the rest. |
| 16:40.45 | dalecp | pipeline: yes, i know. i already have bad experience doing so. |
| 16:40.50 | Xaqueth | penguin42, thank you, I'll test that |
| 16:41.06 | kentpaul | Hello, i'd like to give SSH access to users on my LAN but from my external IP on the port 22. I do not want to do any PAT and tell them to connect on port 232 or whatever. Is it possible to run a sort of sshd proxy on the firewall and authenticate users like user@machine password ? |
| 16:41.13 | dalecp | pipeline: i think its a only good idea for now. |
| 16:41.14 | micha_ | how can I handle files with whitespaces in a for file in `find -type f`; do du $file; done construct |
| 16:41.15 | dacer | penguin42, lsmod type too |
| 16:41.21 | pipeline | alternatively, copy 40G over, then defragment the NTFS partition to move everything to the beginning, then "shrink" it the old fashioned way: edit the partition tables. |
| 16:41.38 | asg | micha_: find ... -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 16:41.44 | mwilson | And that's the *less* dangerous method? |
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| 16:41.59 | micha_ | asg: thanks. I am trying that |
| 16:42.04 | penguin42 | dacer: I think you have udev - something I'll admit to not understanding - its some magic that creates stuf fon the fly |
| 16:42.04 | drasko | hello everybody |
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| 16:42.15 | pipeline | mwilson, dalecp: It's not meant to be safe, it's meant to be as straightforward as possible. Partition magic costs money and doesn't work very well anyway. |
| 16:42.28 | stew | micha_: du "$file" |
| 16:42.53 | cadu | hi |
| 16:42.54 | micha_ | stew: does not work, i tried it |
| 16:42.59 | dalecp | pipeline: partition magic sucks, several times it fucked me both partition (i mean when i tried to resize) |
| 16:43.16 | micha_ | stew: it doesnt work since in the for file in list; uses whitespaces as delimiters |
| 16:43.19 | stew | micha_: oh right because of the find, then yeah, what asg said |
| 16:43.21 | penguin42 | dalecp: Yeh the bugs logged for convertfs don't look fun either - converting and resizing filesystems is serious black magic |
| 16:43.25 | eka | when my computer boots sounds is off but when i use alsaconf it comes to live... whats going on? |
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| 16:43.50 | penguin42 | eka: You'll probably find that there is a module for your sound card that gets loaded when the first thing to access sound comes on |
| 16:43.55 | stew | micha_: or find -type f -exec du {} \; |
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| 16:44.38 | doubleh1 | asg: /etc/syslog.conf was empty ... I ll report that empty conf should cause restart daemon to complain badly ... |
| 16:44.49 | dacer | penguin42 / is on scsi disk, maybe some module not loaded? |
| 16:44.58 | doubleh1 | asg: same thing rename /etc/syslog.conf to /etc/syslog.conf.0 ... |
| 16:45.02 | dalecp | penguin42: yeap. i think i'll do as suggested by pipeline. i'll leave only 40GB of things I really really want:) |
| 16:45.08 | pipeline | dalecp: Only use partition magic for the NTFS filesystem. |
| 16:45.12 | goedson | Trying to download pictures from my camera using gphoto2, I get this error: |
| 16:45.13 | asg | doubleh1: ah, that would do it. The question now is why it was blank in the first place. |
| 16:45.15 | penguin42 | dacer: I hold my hands up and don't know - I've resisted trying to get udev to work on my home system |
| 16:45.16 | goedson | Downloading 'DSC00125.JPG' from folder '/store_00010001'... |
| 16:45.16 | goedson | *** Error *** |
| 16:45.16 | goedson | PTP Protocol error, response expected |
| 16:45.16 | goedson | *** Error (-1: 'Unspecified error') *** |
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| 16:45.31 | pipeline | dalecp: ext3 and XFS are fairly easy to grow, so there's no reason to use third party tools. |
| 16:45.41 | dacer | ok, I find /etc/udev/udev.conf |
| 16:45.50 | dacer | thanks for support penguin42 |
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| 16:46.03 | penguin42 | pipeline: Didn't ext3 resize get written for partitionmagic on the basis it was made free |
| 16:46.04 | dacer | ÇI'm going to inpect this conf |
| 16:46.04 | micha_ | stew: yes, that would work too. I didnt know though that {} can contain whitespaces, .... |
| 16:46.06 | penguin42 | dacer: No prob |
| 16:46.10 | dalecp | pipeline: what kind of fs i need create for debian? (i mean better one) |
| 16:46.16 | pipeline | penguin42: I have no idea. |
| 16:46.18 | stew | micha_: you should just be using -print0 and xargs -0 |
| 16:46.20 | doubleh1 | asg: reboot while editing, if editor is bad, or more likely that file has been rotated due to some other missconf ... |
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| 16:46.39 | penguin42 | dalecp: ext3 is my preferred one, other choices are reiser and xfs - they all have some benefits/down sides |
| 16:46.39 | goedson | Anyone experiencing problems with gphoto2 recently? |
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| 16:46.59 | asg | doubleh1: well, a simple patch to /etc/init.d/sysklogd and /etc/init.d/klogd would be a feasible check. |
| 16:46.59 | stew | goedson: check the bts |
| 16:47.04 | pipeline | dalecp: If you don't know, use ext3. |
| 16:47.14 | pipeline | dalecp: ext2 and XFS would also be good choices. |
| 16:47.19 | micha_ | stew: yes. I try the xargs -0 version, thanks |
| 16:47.38 | dalecp | penguin42: what is the default one for basic installation? |
| 16:47.50 | goedson | stew: I've checked. There is nothing related to what I'm experiencing. |
| 16:47.51 | penguin42 | dalecp: Not sure these days; used to be ext2; I suspect ext3 now ? |
| 16:47.53 | jetscreamer | ext2 for woody ext3 for sarge |
| 16:48.03 | doubleh1 | asg: I am not surprised ... I ve been playing with syslog last week ... the mistake was ... /human's fault/ |
| 16:48.08 | pipeline | penguin42: Hah, it was originally written by Powerquest, you're right. |
| 16:48.09 | sunai | whats your average gpg keychain size? |
| 16:48.14 | asg | doubleh1: ah |
| 16:48.14 | goedson | I can download thumbnails but fail to download any photo. |
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| 16:48.43 | pipeline | dalecp: ext2 and ext3 are actually the same filesystem. ext3 just has the journalling option enabled. |
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| 16:49.17 | dalecp | aha! ok, thanks a lot:) |
| 16:49.31 | goedson | It gives me the message PTP Protocol error. |
| 16:49.38 | vmichel | good morning !! |
| 16:49.47 | penguin42 | goerdson: Probably best to check on the gphoto home pages |
| 16:49.48 | pipeline | goedson: Google. |
| 16:50.03 | penguin42 | vmichel: Good evening |
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| 16:50.46 | vmichel | good bye! |
| 16:50.55 | pipeline | penguin42, vmichel: Lovely afternoon, isn't it |
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| 16:51.56 | Jeyrad | what file do i config my internet connection? |
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| 16:52.20 | Glitch_Master | Hey. |
| 16:52.44 | asg | Jeyrad: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:52.58 | asg | Jeyrad: also, /msg dpkg faq |
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| 16:53.03 | Glitch_Master | The print screen function in GNOME is working correctly, and the keyboard key is recognized, but the Print Screen key does nothing. |
| 16:53.17 | penguin42 | asg: I could swear at some point there was a pretty dialog based network interface configurator for new people |
| 16:53.20 | mwilson | Glitch_Master: Is it supposed to? |
| 16:53.25 | Glitch_Master | It is configured to use this key to print screen, but doesn't respond to it. |
| 16:53.28 | Glitch_Master | It is, yes, mwilson. |
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| 16:53.31 | asg | penguin42: etherconf but you have to install it |
| 16:53.38 | penguin42 | asg: Off the network? |
| 16:53.52 | asg | penguin42: right, so it's pretty pointless. |
| 16:53.56 | Jeyrad | just what and where is the file i need to config |
| 16:54.00 | Glitch_Master | GNOME is quite nice, thank you.\ |
| 16:54.04 | Glitch_Master | -\ |
| 16:54.07 | asg | Jeyrad: man 5 interfaces, /msg dpkg faq |
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| 16:54.15 | black_girl | hi |
| 16:54.20 | penguin42 | asg: Its a pity it isn't by default - it seems a bit cruel to inflict interfaces on newbies |
| 16:54.37 | basti | hi black_girl |
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| 16:54.45 | penguin42 | (or those who have to maintain 4 or 5 different distros) |
| 16:54.49 | FieldySnuts | if they can read they can figure it out |
| 16:55.01 | asg | penguin42: well, the installer usually does a pretty good job and for things it can't handle, you are likely not to get much better support with etherconf. |
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| 16:56.11 | NeOwA | salut ! |
| 16:56.14 | penguin42 | asg: Nod; although if its the type of thing where you screwed it up during install - or perhaps did an install somewhere with a fast net connection |
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| 16:56.20 | penguin42 | NeOwA: Good afternoon |
| 16:56.21 | McQuaid | hello all, i'm having some weird problems here and there with some apps and i was going over my sources/preferences and i'm concerned that i might have let some unofficial sources update stuff that i did not intend |
| 16:56.45 | asg | penguin42: true. That's why we added simple instructions in the #debian channel FAQ. ;) |
| 16:56.52 | McQuaid | is there a way that i can force apt to update all files avail and ensure they are from offical deb? |
| 16:56.52 | penguin42 | hehe |
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| 16:58.08 | asg | McQuaid: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy |pager (start looking for things that aren't official) |
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| 16:58.53 | asg | McQuaid: remove any packages that aren't official ; edit your sources.lst ; apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 16:58.57 | goedson | pipeline: I've searched in google. But found no answer. Only some people experiencing the same problem but no solution. |
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| 16:59.34 | penguin42 | goedson: I'd ask on the gphoto mailing lists |
| 16:59.51 | Skaag | i'm trying to fix a kernel module that calls pci_save_state() incorrectly, where should I talk about this? |
| 16:59.52 | noid2 | how can i get nslookup ....apt-get install nslookup doesnt seem to work |
| 16:59.58 | asg | noid2: dnsutils |
| 17:00.04 | noid2 | thanks |
| 17:00.25 | asg | noid2: consider using 'dig' from that package since nslookup is deprecated. |
| 17:00.29 | ireverentReveren | valdyn finally got the initrd-free compile of the kernel done (IDE controller/root FS built into the kernel, not modules) and tested it... didnt work without a initrd.... |
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| 17:00.58 | noid2 | asg:k thanks |
| 17:01.02 | asg | noid2: you're welcome |
| 17:01.04 | [Granger] | ireverentReveren: that's a no brainer |
| 17:01.14 | McQuaid | i have Pin: release a=unstable but was going to add Pin: origin ftp.debian.org to that same section |
| 17:01.18 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 17:01.18 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
| 17:01.19 | McQuaid | not sure if one can do that |
| 17:01.23 | ireverentReveren | [Granger]? |
| 17:01.31 | asg | hi takatumi |
| 17:01.36 | [Granger] | compile everything under ATAPI into the kernel |
| 17:01.37 | black_girl | cya |
| 17:01.39 | takatumi | asg: ionman! |
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| 17:01.43 | [Granger] | and everything under File Systems |
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| 17:01.52 | [Granger] | and it'll boot without an initrd image |
| 17:02.04 | ireverentReveren | [Granger] bear with me, i am new at this and just doing what was advised |
| 17:02.08 | svente_away_ | 1kBfnNY |
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| 17:02.18 | [Granger] | ireverentReveren: in that case |
| 17:02.21 | [Granger] | make sure you haven't missed a check |
| 17:02.23 | Glitch_Master | Hmm.. |
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| 17:02.39 | [Granger] | see if there's a dot where there's supposed to be a check etc |
| 17:02.39 | hawkeey | How do I figure out what packages are on what Official Debian CDs? |
| 17:02.42 | ireverentReveren | [Granger] EVERYTHING, or everything i know is used? |
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| 17:02.46 | asg | Jeyrad: 1) don't /msg people without asking. 2) did you edit your interfaces per the information in 'man 5 interfaces' |
| 17:02.58 | [Granger] | ireverentReveren: you're supposed to go through the whole thing |
| 17:03.06 | takatumi | hawkeey: looking for anything particular? |
| 17:03.14 | hawkeey | yes, dhcp-server |
| 17:03.16 | ireverentReveren | [Granger]? what do you mean? |
| 17:03.32 | takatumi | !info dhcp-server sarge |
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| 17:03.48 | asg | takatumi: it might be dhcp3-server now |
| 17:03.54 | Jeyrad | what do you mean by man 5 interfaces |
| 17:03.57 | Jeyrad | im new |
| 17:03.59 | Jeyrad | lol |
| 17:04.15 | takatumi | hawkeey: that should be on the first CD for sure. |
| 17:04.29 | [Granger] | aptitude install kernel-tree-2.6.8 | tar xfj /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 | cd /usr/src | ln -s kernel-source-2.6.8 linux | make xconfig | go through the whole thing |
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| 17:04.35 | asg | Jeyrad: 'man' is a command to pull up manpages (system documentation) '5' is the section of the documentation 'interfaces' is the man page you need to read |
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| 17:04.51 | asg | Jeyrad: 'man man' will tell you more about the system documentation interface. |
| 17:04.51 | Jeyrad | ok, thanks |
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| 17:04.57 | Jeyrad | :) |
| 17:05.26 | ireverentReveren | [Granger] i am using menuconfig on the 2.6.10 kernel, as x is not installed on this comp.... |
| 17:05.42 | ireverentReveren | [Granger] and yeah, i did go through all of it, just double checking |
| 17:05.46 | asg | Jeyrad: also, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage (will give you some more information and examples) |
| 17:06.10 | a_monkey | where can i get doom III for linux? |
| 17:06.12 | takatumi | hawkeey: trying sarge? |
| 17:06.14 | Jeyrad | how do i get out of the man page |
| 17:06.23 | asg | Jeyrad: 'q' |
| 17:06.23 | penguin42 | Jeyrad: q |
| 17:06.23 | jetscreamer | q |
| 17:06.37 | Jeyrad | kk |
| 17:06.54 | hawkeey | takatumi: no, just trying to get some CDs ready for an installation where I will have no internet |
| 17:06.58 | Jeyrad | thanks guys, :) |
| 17:07.20 | takatumi | hawkeey: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 17:07.21 | hawkeey | takatumi: and I want to get a LAN with DHCP running off something sane (the alternative is currently Win 2000 ICS) |
| 17:07.23 | asg | Jeyrad: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference (for basic introductory info on Unix) |
| 17:07.29 | chealer | Jeyrad: you can write asg's name in your memory as your UNIX father :) |
| 17:07.31 | thomas_adam | Hehe. Just found my Yo La Tengo CD. :) |
| 17:07.55 | asg | chealer: no, I'm just a baby, compared to the greybeards here |
| 17:07.57 | asg | chealer: ;) |
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| 17:08.07 | takatumi | thomas_adam: can you play it out loud? :) |
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| 17:08.10 | McQuaid | so can i add the origin of deb's ftp to my section where i specify unstable as the highest priority? |
| 17:08.11 | asg | thomas_adam: hah, I just found my 'Empire Strikes First' cd |
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| 17:08.14 | ireverentReveren | [Granger] quick question... the particular kernel option used by my chipset (nforce2) is only allowing me to select it as a module... am i missing something? |
| 17:08.23 | thomas_adam | takatumi: Nope. |
| 17:08.25 | thomas_adam | asg: Cool. |
| 17:08.49 | thomas_adam | ireverentReveren: That's probably normal. There are some things one cannot compile in statically. |
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| 17:08.59 | asg | thomas_adam: yeah, I bought it, listened to it once and it disappeared for months. |
| 17:09.00 | jetscreamer | ireverentReveren, that usually means there is some other module that it depends on that is not statically compiled it |
| 17:09.02 | chealer | !wdywtd McQuaid |
| 17:09.02 | takatumi | McQuaid: moving to sid? |
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| 17:09.13 | chealer | !wayttd McQuaid |
| 17:09.13 | jetscreamer | change that module and it should let you |
| 17:09.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, McQuaid? |
| 17:09.25 | ireverentReveren | jetscreamer how would i find out what it is? |
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| 17:09.39 | ireverentReveren | i looked up in thetree, they are all compiled in |
| 17:09.40 | jetscreamer | trial and error is one way,k google is another |
| 17:09.49 | jetscreamer | other than that i dunno |
| 17:09.57 | McQuaid | Just trying to ensure everything i have installed is from official debs, if it's avail from official, otherwise grab from the sources i've added |
| 17:10.00 | ireverentReveren | dang, i was hoping for a tool |
| 17:10.01 | ireverentReveren | Laughs Out Loud |
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| 17:10.19 | jetscreamer | there may be a way, i just don't know it |
| 17:10.20 | McQuaid | up until this point i've just been tacking on unofficial sources for pkgs i want if it's not avail from official |
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| 17:10.33 | chealer | McQuaid: using unstable sources won't help you use official debs |
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| 17:10.51 | McQuaid | eh? |
| 17:11.11 | takatumi | McQuaid: it's a one way track, can't come back. |
| 17:11.33 | gravity | I think you could set that up with pinning somehow |
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| 17:11.45 | chealer | McQuaid: what kind of unofficial sources are you talking about? |
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| 17:12.06 | Jeyrad | gah |
| 17:12.12 | McQuaid | i added stuff as needed, mythtv, lame, i think i added one for k3b etc |
| 17:12.14 | piernik | which command will list my hardware? I need such uname -a but for my hardwer detection not system |
| 17:12.16 | Jeyrad | i still cant access updates from the web |
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| 17:12.25 | McQuaid | i added one experimental for xfce4.2 |
| 17:12.26 | gravity | piernik: lspci |
| 17:12.28 | chealer | McQuaid: why one for k3b? what's your release? |
| 17:12.31 | piernik | thanks |
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| 17:12.49 | McQuaid | sorry my mistake not k3b |
| 17:12.53 | jetscreamer | piernik, lspci -vv |
| 17:12.57 | doubleh1 | asg: it really looks like the maintainer is dead : there are 1y to 6y old bugs ... and many should have trivial patches ... I wonder if it worths reporting .... |
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| 17:13.48 | gravity | doubleh1: Which app? |
| 17:14.30 | doubleh1 | gravity: package sysklogd ... there is no bug younger than 1y |
| 17:14.31 | asg | doubleh1: some of those might be wontfix bugs |
| 17:14.31 | McQuaid | so far i've been just going through pkgs manually and checking if the force option was avail to force it back to unstable |
| 17:14.47 | gravity | wow |
| 17:15.02 | doubleh1 | asg: I sware that some have trivial fixes ... and none have been marked wontfix |
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| 17:15.11 | chealer | McQuaid: XFCE 4.2 was released 20050116, you won't find it in unstable yet |
| 17:15.14 | gravity | Oh, it's joey. He's *really* busy |
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| 17:15.35 | noid2 | is it possible to back up my current debian full backup as an image to an ftp ? |
| 17:15.38 | McQuaid | yep i know that was the only experimental i've added ever |
| 17:15.40 | asg | doubleh1: well, file a wishlist bug nontheless |
| 17:15.47 | McQuaid | i think that might have been where my probs started |
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| 17:15.56 | McQuaid | or maybe i'm wrong and they are just probs in sid currently |
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| 17:16.20 | noid2 | sorry let me rephrase that is it possible to back fully backup everything to an image on a ftp ? |
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| 17:17.28 | chealer | McQuaid: mythtv isn't in debian yet. what's your release? |
| 17:17.41 | doubleh1 | asg: I sware than within 1y, I ll submitt patches for 10% of them, and if they are not merged with the package, I ask to be the maintainer, or I leave debian. ( I am not angry yet , but if my collaboration is refused, there is no use writing patches) |
| 17:18.21 | thomas_adam | doubleh1: What _are_ you babbling on about? |
| 17:18.25 | asg | doubleh1: that is always an option. You could consult www.debian.org/devel/wnpp for info on how to proceed |
| 17:18.32 | hsn | How can i add Dns addresses in /etc/network/interfaces ? "dns-nameserver 192.***.***.*** " is true ? |
| 17:18.40 | thomas_adam | hsn: man resolv.conf |
| 17:18.42 | asg | hsn: man resolv.conf |
| 17:18.50 | hsn | ok |
| 17:18.56 | McQuaid | i know myth isn't i added an unofficial source that i found at apt-get.org/search |
| 17:19.18 | thomas_adam | I like it how people try and make up file commands... |
| 17:19.29 | ireverentReveren | hmm i am not seeing anything on google about what i would need to enable so that this kjernel option can be non-modular... is it possible that the nforce2 chipset is not bootable without a initrd? |
| 17:19.32 | cadu | hey |
| 17:19.33 | McQuaid | i just want to insure that when i add a source it never gives me something that is currently avail in official |
| 17:19.37 | cadu | rox-filer is already on testing ? |
| 17:19.47 | McQuaid | specifying pkgs individually is too cumbersome |
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| 17:19.52 | cadu | i've installed xfce4 from debian's testing repository but couldn't find rox |
| 17:19.54 | thomas_adam | ireverentReveren: As I said before, there are just some options which cannot be compiled-in statically. |
| 17:20.11 | thomas_adam | ireverentReveren: Whether this specific one of yours is such an example, I cannot say. |
| 17:20.21 | asg | doubleh1: you could always contact the QA team and discuss the matter with them. |
| 17:20.25 | ireverentReveren | thomas_adam shoot... oh well, thanks anyway |
| 17:20.41 | thomas_adam | ireverentReveren: But that nvidia option would never necessitate the use of an initrd anyway, so what are you worrying about? |
| 17:20.55 | noid2 | ext2 or ext3 ? |
| 17:21.02 | chealer | McQuaid: what do you mean by "it never gives me"? |
| 17:21.36 | chealer | !ext3 |
| 17:21.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
| 17:21.44 | jvw | doubleh1: what package is this about? If a maintainer is missing in action, you can report that |
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| 17:21.53 | Knight_Lord | ricerfs? |
| 17:22.02 | asg | jvw: the maintainer isn't but he is very busy. |
| 17:22.03 | McQuaid | chealer: i mean that if i add a source for mythtv, i don't want it to have priority over some lib or something that is already in official even if that unofficial version is a greatere version |
| 17:22.05 | takatumi | nforce |
| 17:22.11 | takatumi | gah |
| 17:22.11 | McQuaid | mythtv being an example |
| 17:22.32 | doubleh1 | thomas_adam: human make mistakes, but I sware I ll get maintainer to clean some packages I love ... or bugs I hate ... |
| 17:22.45 | takatumi | McQuaid: you are getting paranoid. |
| 17:22.45 | ireverentReveren | thomas_adam i was told that inorder to get a kernel that doesnt require an initrd, the ide controller and fs must be compiled into the kernel, not as modules, well it appears to me that the IDE support (which is the module we are talking about) is only available as a module, ergo i would think i would require an initrd, but then again, i am still learning, and open to suggestions/help |
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| 17:22.50 | jvw | doubleh1: you should always file bugs in any way, bugs stored, possibly for next maintainer(s) |
| 17:22.52 | chealer | McQuaid: set a default relese. man apt_preferences |
| 17:23.06 | jvw | doubleh1: and 'swaring' doesn't help |
| 17:23.21 | McQuaid | i have set a default release as unstable, but all the unofficial sources i add are unstable |
| 17:23.22 | takatumi | ireverentReveren: which module is this? |
| 17:23.24 | micha_ | how can I give the character \0 as an argument to a command (in bash)? |
| 17:23.41 | thomas_adam | micha_: Which command? |
| 17:23.46 | jvw | micha_: that's impossible, \0 is the argument separator, an argument in unix cannot be NUL |
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| 17:24.04 | McQuaid | basically, i just keep adding sources to the bottom of sources.list, but if i'm reading things correctly i should also add pinning rules for each one i add |
| 17:24.07 | McQuaid | or is that not correct |
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| 17:24.21 | ireverentReveren | AMD and nVidia IDE support uner device drivers/ata..rll/enchanced ide/pci ide chipset support/ |
| 17:24.23 | Knight_Lord | micha_ maybe passing "" |
| 17:24.29 | micha_ | thomas_adam: i want to do something along the lines: find -print0|while read -d \0 line; do echo $line; done |
| 17:24.29 | jvw | McQuaid: only if the default prioritization is not what you want |
| 17:24.35 | micha_ | jvw: I dont think so |
| 17:24.41 | micha_ | jvw: it is IFS; |
| 17:24.42 | ireverentReveren | takatumi : AMD and nVidia IDE support uner device drivers/ata..rll/enchanced ide/pci ide chipset support/ |
| 17:24.59 | micha_ | Knight_Lord: that is the empty string, it is no the string containing \0 |
| 17:25.08 | thomas_adam | micha_: You don't need to. Just do: find . -print | while read a; do echo "$a"; done -- it's the "quoting" that cpunts to protect the filename. |
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| 17:25.17 | jvw | micha_: ever programmed C? You'll have a NUL-terminated array of arguments there |
| 17:25.23 | Knight_Lord | micha_ you can't have strings containing \0, because \0 is the string delimiter |
| 17:25.32 | micha_ | thomas_adam: it was just a simple example of what I acctually want to do, |
| 17:25.36 | McQuaid | ok let me say it this way, right now unstable has a pin priority of 600, when i add unofficial unstable sources would they not as well have the same pin priority as they are unstable as well? |
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| 17:25.43 | thomas_adam | micha_: And the principle still stands. |
| 17:26.09 | jvw | micha_: some utilities however understand escapes if it would make sense to supply \0 as part of an argument though |
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| 17:26.19 | Knight_Lord | micha_ at the C level a string containing \0 or an empty stirng look the same |
| 17:26.21 | jvw | micha_: but, that depends on the program/utility |
| 17:26.37 | micha_ | thomas_adam: what about \n in filenames |
| 17:26.39 | thomas_adam | micha_: If it gets anymore complex, use xargs -0, but note that you'll still have to pass it to a shell (and so back to the whole "quuoting" issue) -- so you might as well just do as I said initially. |
| 17:26.48 | jvw | micha_: \n is perfectly possible, \n != \0 |
| 17:27.05 | micha_ | jvw: it would make sense as an argument to read -d \0 |
| 17:27.22 | micha_ | Knight_Lord: yes, you are right. |
| 17:27.34 | jvw | micha_: ok, then you're in bash, bash and completely safe programming with binary data too simply is not possible |
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| 17:27.56 | thomas_adam | micha_: Not to mention the fact that you want to be in #bash .... |
| 17:28.33 | Knight_Lord | micha_ binary files are evil and shouldn't be treated on the shell level |
| 17:28.43 | matt_ | hi everybody, i got a question, if i have a nfs root filesystem running with redhat 9 as a base and i wanted to be able to use the apps from knoppix could i cloop the knoppix file off the nfs server to say /mnt/KNOPPIX then run applications using chroot /mnt/KNOPPIX /path/to/app ? |
| 17:28.54 | micha_ | jvw: I dont get what you are saying, sorry, can you repeat it (rephrase) |
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| 17:29.14 | micha_ | thomas_adam: oh yes of course, Ill ask there |
| 17:29.22 | jetscreamer | what script sets the mountd port, i can't find it in nfs-common or nfs-kernel-server |
| 17:29.28 | McQuaid | hmm, ok i'll try one last time, when i want to add an unofficial source, can i just add it to my sources and be done with it or should i always make a pinning rule for that specific source as well? |
| 17:29.36 | thomas_adam | micha_: But when you do ask there, do not expect me to repeat myself. :) |
| 17:29.39 | jvw | micha_: you're not talking about arguments to programs, but merely about IFS in a bash build-in function, namely 'read'. That might or might not be supported, I don't know |
| 17:29.45 | micha_ | Knight_Lord: the only invalid character for a filename is / thus every program that reads filenames has to handle them properly |
| 17:29.51 | thomas_adam | micha_: I expect you'll get much the same response, mind. |
| 17:29.54 | micha_ | thomas_adam: of course :-) |
| 17:30.01 | jvw | micha_: I guess it is simply not supported, bash can't be used for everything, it lacks some basic sane string handling |
| 17:30.09 | thomas_adam | micha_: Not quote, ASCII NUL is also invalid. |
| 17:30.20 | Knight_Lord | micha_ there are more invalid names than that |
| 17:30.38 | Knight_Lord | micha_ like . and .. |
| 17:30.40 | jvw | only ASCCI NUL and '/' cannot occur in path components, the rest can |
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| 17:31.03 | jvw | oh, and '.' and '..' are special, indeed, but can be used as part in a bigger component |
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| 17:31.09 | micha_ | jvw: I dont think so |
| 17:31.12 | Knight_Lord | jvw sure |
| 17:31.12 | noid2 | what is the best backup method ? what applications ? |
| 17:31.12 | jvw | ('..bla..') is a fine file |
| 17:31.21 | thomas_adam | !+best |
| 17:31.21 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:31.36 | thomas_adam | noid2: apt-cache search backup | less |
| 17:31.42 | Knight_Lord | noid2 if you want to backup to a disk i reccomend dirvish or if you're not so serious, simple rsync |
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| 17:31.50 | thomas_adam | Amanda is good. |
| 17:31.53 | takatumi | !tell ireverentReveren -about kernel ide config |
| 17:31.59 | noid2 | i would like to backup EVERYTHING |
| 17:31.59 | micha_ | Knight_Lord: no, . and .. are valid filenames |
| 17:31.59 | McQuaid | noid2 dar looks interesting haven't used it myself yet though |
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| 17:32.11 | ireverentReveren | takatumi thank you |
| 17:32.13 | McQuaid | kde has a front end called kdar but nothing for gnome :( |
| 17:32.14 | Knight_Lord | noid2 i don't recommend rdiff-backup as it is too buggy |
| 17:32.27 | Knight_Lord | micha_ not in the sense that you can do fopen(".") |
| 17:32.30 | thomas_adam | Knight_Lord: That's crap. It works fine for me. |
| 17:32.32 | jvw | micha_: I'm very sure of what I said about 'NUL' and '/' as exactly the two forbidden chars in pathname components |
| 17:32.41 | noid2 | i would like to back up EVERYTHING to a ftp or something is this possible |
| 17:32.48 | Knight_Lord | thomas_adam not crap at all, just follow their mailing list |
| 17:32.48 | thomas_adam | jvw: Hence why they cannot be filename elements, either. |
| 17:33.00 | jetscreamer | cp -a noid2 |
| 17:33.06 | jvw | indeed |
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| 17:33.24 | micha_ | jvw: Oh, I agree on that, I dont agree on it is not possible |
| 17:33.34 | thomas_adam | micha_: Then you will die mystified. |
| 17:33.42 | McQuaid | noid2 look here http://dar.linux.free.fr/ |
| 17:33.56 | jvw | micha_: ask #bash, there are the experts, but if you're sure it's possible, then why are you asking how to do it? |
| 17:34.22 | Knight_Lord | thomas_adam for example having to freeze the filesystem before you can back it up is really bad |
| 17:34.43 | noid2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.45 | Knight_Lord | thomas_adam many people don't have LVM or don't have space for the snapshot (heavy disk access) |
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| 17:35.04 | thomas_adam | Knight_Lord: YMMV. Works a treat for me. |
| 17:35.04 | jvw | for simple full backup, a tar cz works great |
| 17:35.25 | jvw | not filesystem dependent, no wasted space on empty stuff in your filesystem |
| 17:35.31 | micha_ | jvw: well, I am still thinking about it. Sometimes I know I havent understood something completly. Then input from other people is very helpful to me to open my mind and give me new opinions on something. I guess that is why I asked but you are all right, I should have asked in #bash in the first place. I am sorry for that |
| 17:35.42 | Knight_Lord | thomas_adam exactly, here it doesn't work because it's a 5TB backup at the moment and i can't really freeze the thing |
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| 17:35.58 | Knight_Lord | thomas_adam it also has problems with tricky symlinks |
| 17:35.59 | thomas_adam | micha_: That's fine, but asking in #bash will only repeat what we have told you here. |
| 17:36.18 | thomas_adam | Knight_Lord: I barely have 2GB to rub together... as for Tb storage, heh... |
| 17:36.37 | thomas_adam | Knight_Lord: Also, since it works fine for me, I don't care for those so-called errors. |
| 17:36.45 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 17:36.59 | Knight_Lord | thomas_adam ok i'll just try to figure the symlink problem which was the one that scared me the most |
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| 17:37.14 | thomas_adam | Hence Knight_Lord becomes Knight_Loner? |
| 17:37.28 | Shimonn | can i see the bandwidth used per active connection ? |
| 17:37.35 | McQuaid | can someone plz tell me the proper way to add unofficial sources, do i just add it to sources.list or do i additionally make a pinning entry for each source i add? |
| 17:37.36 | thomas_adam | Shimonn: Why? |
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| 17:37.47 | thomas_adam | McQuaid: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:37.55 | Skaag | is rsync -av enough to sync a drive that contains a full debian system? |
| 17:38.02 | Skaag | or do i need more switches? |
| 17:38.06 | thomas_adam | McQuaid: Pinning is not worth the effort. |
| 17:38.10 | Knight_Lord | thomas_adam sorry didn't get that one |
| 17:38.17 | jetscreamer | thomas_adam, i have 1008M and 1013M to rub together :/ |
| 17:38.18 | McQuaid | for the last couple of years, i've just added sources as i needed pkgs that weren't avail in official |
| 17:38.18 | Shimonn | thomas_adam: because my bandwith to the internet is limited |
| 17:38.19 | thomas_adam | Knight_Lord: I have an odd sense of humour. |
| 17:38.25 | thomas_adam | jetscreamer: Pah. |
| 17:38.29 | FieldySnuts | Skaag: rsync -avD --exclude /mnt |
| 17:38.33 | jetscreamer | m not g |
| 17:38.38 | FieldySnuts | D handles device files properly |
| 17:38.43 | McQuaid | i want to confirm if thats ok, or should i add a pinning rule for each unoffical source i add |
| 17:38.50 | thomas_adam | McQuaid: Via backports? |
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| 17:38.58 | FieldySnuts | Skaag: be sure to use -avD when you copy back, as well |
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| 17:39.25 | McQuaid | no, all unstable sources, when something isn't avail from offical, i add a source i find at apt-get.org/search |
| 17:39.32 | ali7288 | hey what file do i edit to load a module at startup? |
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| 17:39.42 | jetscreamer | anybody know which script i can set mountd's port??? it's not in nfs-common or nfs-kernel-server afaict |
| 17:39.47 | thomas_adam | McQuaid: You have a mixture of stable and unstable sources? |
| 17:39.55 | McQuaid | and all the sources i add are unstable, so my concern is the pinning rule for unstable would also apply to the unofficial sources as well |
| 17:39.57 | takatumi | Shimonn: try nload or jnettop |
| 17:40.01 | McQuaid | thomas_adam: no all unstable no mixing |
| 17:40.03 | Xaqueth | Debian doesn't find Bluetooth device on USB, I got blue-utils installed, what to do next? |
| 17:40.10 | McQuaid | just a mixture of official/unoffical |
| 17:40.11 | chealer | thomas_adam: McQuaid fears that an unofficial source he adds in sources.list would provide a package with a greater version than Debian unstable and therefore APT would install it |
| 17:40.19 | ali7288 | what file do i edit to load a module at startup? |
| 17:40.25 | McQuaid | yes exactly |
| 17:40.30 | jetscreamer | ali7288, /etc/modules |
| 17:40.34 | ali7288 | thanks |
| 17:40.37 | thomas_adam | chealer: The order the entries are listed in sources.list is the entry they're searched for in, anyway. |
| 17:41.00 | jetscreamer | ali7288, modconf will load them and put an entry |
| 17:41.04 | chealer | thomas_adam: that's only true when versions are the same |
| 17:41.06 | McQuaid | really? didn't know that so pinning would be unnecessary |
| 17:41.25 | thomas_adam | McQuaid: If you have to ask..... :P |
| 17:41.33 | alexscott | plop |
| 17:41.40 | chealer | thomas_adam: actually, I'm checking if I'm right |
| 17:41.41 | a_monkey | would DRI's "radeon" driver or the "ati" driver give me a better framerate? |
| 17:41.49 | thomas_adam | chealer: I would. |
| 17:42.01 | thomas_adam | I'm fed of this now. |
| 17:42.05 | thomas_adam | Time to do something else. |
| 17:42.09 | jetscreamer | fuckingoogleit gave me /etc/init.d/nfs but this aint read-hat |
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| 17:42.25 | jetscreamer | tell me the damn script before you get fed |
| 17:42.31 | darkgamer20 | hey everyone |
| 17:42.40 | chealer | thomas_adam: yeah that's only for the same version |
| 17:42.42 | takatumi | a_monkey: which card? |
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| 17:42.51 | a_monkey | takatumi: ati radeon 9200 |
| 17:42.54 | Knight_Lord | thomas_adam http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/rdiff-backup-users/2004-09/msg00019.html |
| 17:42.56 | McQuaid | so unofficial greater version would get priority then |
| 17:42.56 | darkgamer20 | i need help where are the mysql include directories in debian? |
| 17:43.07 | thomas_adam | chealer: Parting comment: anyone idiotic enough to mixed versions gets what they deserve and can keep all the broken pieces. |
| 17:43.15 | thomas_adam | Knight_Lord: I really am not interested... :) |
| 17:43.46 | chealer | thomas_adam: AFAIK McQuaid points to a true but very minor usability issue. I don't care |
| 17:43.52 | takatumi | !tell a_monkey -about ati drivers |
| 17:44.11 | McQuaid | so what i wanted to do was instead of adding a pinning rule for each i add, iwanted to specify the origin of debs ftp where i indicate unstable as a priority |
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| 17:44.52 | McQuaid | like could i do this: Pin: release a=unstable Pin: origin ftp.debian.org |
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| 17:45.12 | chealer | origin would be Debian |
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| 17:45.34 | darkgamer20 | please someone tell where the lib and include directories are for mysql? I looked everywhere but I couldn't find anything. |
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| 17:45.58 | nkuttler | darkgamer20: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 17:46.14 | jetscreamer | darkgamer20, apt-file search mysql , find -name mysql-server |
| 17:46.20 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 17:46.45 | basti | someone knows if xorg supports ati mobility cards? |
| 17:47.00 | ali7288 | hey i asked what file to edit to load a module on startup and someone told me to edit /etc/modules.conf but what do i add in there? |
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| 17:47.09 | jetscreamer | a xorg dev might know |
| 17:47.14 | chealer | ali7288: /etc/modules, not .conf |
| 17:47.16 | jetscreamer | the name of the module |
| 17:47.27 | jetscreamer | and yeah i didn't say .conf |
| 17:47.40 | restrex | what have I to install to have Kerberos 5 ? |
| 17:47.42 | restrex | :) |
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| 17:47.51 | Malfoe_Forcast | basti: after a quick google http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sol/components/details/843.html |
| 17:47.52 | ali7288 | chealer: thanks |
| 17:48.04 | xWin2 | hello! |
| 17:48.05 | darkgamer20 | umm sorry but none of the commands worked jetscreamer and nkuttler i know i have mysql-server and client installed |
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| 17:49.05 | Jeyrad | sarge install takes forever when its doing the packages :P |
| 17:49.34 | McQuaid | darkgamer20: launch synaptic and you can look in the properties of every file the pkg installs |
| 17:49.38 | Nurbs | restrex: stfw! :) |
| 17:49.46 | darkgamer20 | McQuaid: thanks |
| 17:49.48 | xWin2 | i need help to configure FreeNX |
| 17:49.49 | Shimonn | i installed the package jnettop. how to use it ? |
| 17:49.52 | McQuaid | np |
| 17:49.55 | Nurbs | restrex: for example http://www.bayour.com/kerberos/Kerberos-MiniHOWTO.html |
| 17:50.04 | restrex | Nurbs I'm compilng gnome :( |
| 17:50.05 | restrex | ok |
| 17:50.08 | biotech78 | hey does anyone know where i can get a office program like ms office for kde? |
| 17:50.15 | McQuaid | heh |
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| 17:50.23 | Nurbs | restrex: so? |
| 17:50.29 | restrex | Nurbs |
| 17:50.34 | Nurbs | restrex: and: why? |
| 17:50.35 | jetscreamer | darkgamer20, try mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 17:50.43 | restrex | I don't know what part of kerberos uses gnome :/ |
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| 17:51.06 | Nurbs | none |
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| 17:51.20 | restrex | checking for Kerberos 5... no |
| 17:51.20 | restrex | configure: error: Could not find krb5. Install krb5 or heimdal packages. |
| 17:51.26 | restrex | :) |
| 17:51.36 | Nurbs | why are you compiling gnome? |
| 17:51.54 | nkuttler | biotech78: openoffice.org |
| 17:51.56 | basti | where can i set programs to autostart? |
| 17:52.03 | restrex | Nurbs cause 2.9.91 it's not on debian |
| 17:52.09 | Zvpun | Knight_Lord: it seems like passing "" is the same as passing $'\0' to a program, so you were right, when you told me (micha_) that "" should give \0 as argument for a program |
| 17:52.18 | chealer | basti: autostart when? |
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| 17:52.27 | jetscreamer | basti, there are various ways |
| 17:52.39 | basti | yeah i mean when i boot my system |
| 17:52.49 | Nurbs | restrex: you don't need to set up kerberos, just install the libraries actually |
| 17:52.58 | biotech78 | i looked there, igot one which came with knoppix but it german |
| 17:53.07 | chealer | http://ftp-master.debian.org/ : "Package Pools have recently been introduced; please see the FAQ for more details." hahahaha |
| 17:53.08 | Zvpun | thomas_adam: you said earlier that find . -print | while read a; do echo "$a" would work but how does that handle filenames with newlines? |
| 17:53.23 | chealer | biotech78: use debian |
| 17:53.29 | restrex | Nurbs |
| 17:53.32 | restrex | ok |
| 17:53.33 | chealer | biotech78: or don't ask here |
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| 17:54.17 | Nurbs | restrex: try installing some of apt-cache search ^libkrb |
| 17:54.18 | chealer | !tell basti about init.d |
| 17:54.20 | Devi0s1 | when I am trying to make psybnc with ssl support, psybnc compiles sucessfully, but it does not create the ssl certificate and ssl doesn't work. I get this error msg during the make process: SSL-Support: Yes, but no openssl binary found in "/usr/lib/ssl/".Creating Makefile. On Fedora, psybnc works with ssl right outta the box. I just started using debian, and this is driving me absolutely CRAZY. strace'in the make menuconfig proce |
| 17:54.20 | Devi0s1 | ss that returns the error msg and grepping for ssl and openssl and open is futile. Would someone mind trying tot install psybnc and helping me before I lose it and murder my family? |
| 17:54.25 | restrex | oka ;) |
| 17:54.35 | Zvpun | jvw: in #bash they told me that "" 0' would work, maybe you want to know that. |
| 17:54.43 | McQuaid | hmm, not sure if i am setting this up right, if i want to specify the origin and release is that two seperate pin entries or do i put it on the same line? |
| 17:54.46 | basti | chealer: thank you :) |
| 17:54.55 | Nurbs | Devi0s1: install openssl |
| 17:55.01 | darkgamer20 | McQuaid: i got the libs but i couldn't find the include dir's |
| 17:55.01 | restrex | Nurbus libkrb5-dev :) |
| 17:55.02 | Nurbs | Devi0s1: search with packages.debian.org or apt-file for it |
| 17:55.03 | restrex | thanks |
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| 17:55.17 | Devi0s1 | Nurbs: openssl and ssl devel packages are installed. |
| 17:55.21 | takatumi | !mansmite McQuaid |
| 17:55.25 | Devi0s1 | the openssl binary is working |
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| 17:56.04 | Jeyrad | how do i add a screen resolution? |
| 17:56.28 | drasko | Jeyrad, how do you meen? |
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| 17:56.40 | Jeyrad | to xserver |
| 17:56.44 | darkgamer20 | jetscreamer: you where the include file for mysql are? |
| 17:56.47 | Jeyrad | how do i add another screen resolution |
| 17:56.47 | nkuttler | Jeyrad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:56.49 | Nurbs | Devi0s1: oic. so, you grepped for openssl and didn't find it in the psybnc sources? |
| 17:56.53 | Jeyrad | yeah, thats what i thought |
| 17:56.59 | Jeyrad | thanks nkuttler |
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| 17:57.12 | chealer | !drxx Jeyrad |
| 17:57.12 | dpkg | Jeyrad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 17:57.46 | McQuaid | takatumi: no where in the man pages does it show an example of indicating both only one or the other |
| 17:57.49 | McQuaid | i already checkedc |
| 17:57.55 | luulis | is there something like tail -f that could scroll back lines like tail (without -f)? |
| 17:58.09 | Devi0s1 | Nurbs: that's not what I said at all, but I'll try that now |
| 17:59.55 | Nurbs | Devi0s1: sorry, I'm currently quite bad at reading stuff ;) |
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| 18:00.38 | dargi | In which packet is libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 in? |
| 18:02.00 | Zvpun | dargi: apt-file search libstdc++ |
| 18:02.05 | basti | is there a way to select xorg instead of xfree with standard debian sarge desktop installation via netinstall? |
| 18:02.08 | Nurbs | dargi: or use packages.debian.org |
| 18:02.25 | McQuaid | basti xorg is not even in unstable so no |
| 18:02.28 | Nurbs | basti: see topic |
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| 18:02.45 | jetscreamer | REPEAT! maybe somebody intelligent will see it this time: which script i can set mountd's port??? it's not in nfs-common or nfs-kernel-server afaict |
| 18:03.00 | basti | yeah but my ati mobility card doesnt work as it should with xfree |
| 18:03.53 | jetscreamer | i hear tell ati isn't all that well supported, but i know nothing |
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| 18:04.23 | idnar | jetscreamer: I think the word you want is "knowledgeable", not "intelligent" |
| 18:04.46 | jetscreamer | could be idnar ... i was trying the psychological approach though... |
| 18:05.02 | Nurbs | basti: which one? is it supposed to work with x.org? |
| 18:05.19 | chealer | is it even worth mailing ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org about their homepage's outdatedness? |
| 18:07.20 | McQuaid | basti: at one time there was an unoffical source for xorg for deb unstable but thats gone |
| 18:07.39 | basti | Nurbs: 8MB ATI, ATI 3D Rage Mobility (AGP 2x) |
| 18:07.55 | Nurbs | basti: eww. :) |
| 18:08.00 | Jeyrad | how do i add apt-get sources? |
| 18:08.14 | Rawplayer | /etc/apt/source.list |
| 18:08.22 | Jeyrad | thanks |
| 18:08.23 | chealer | apt-setup also |
| 18:08.30 | Nurbs | sources.list even |
| 18:08.53 | Jeyrad | lol, thanks raw, nurbs, chealer |
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| 18:10.12 | McQuaid | can anyone verify this bug in sid, since i've installed gamin, the file open dialog freezes if i use ctrl l |
| 18:10.20 | McQuaid | really annoying |
| 18:10.58 | McQuaid | i believe it started after installing gamin, but not sure |
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| 18:13.57 | Devi0s1 | Nurbs: well, it looks like autoconf.c checks for openssl binary in /usr/lib/ssl (I made a symbolic link to the one in /usr/bin, so this should work) and it even looks like it checks /usr/bin if it doesn't find it in the ssl path /usr/lib/ssl. |
| 18:14.03 | McQuaid | i wanted to search if there is a bug, but not exactly sure what pkg to search for regarding the file open dialog |
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| 18:15.25 | Jeyrad | 413 kb/s downstream from debian security server... nice |
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| 18:17.52 | gilles_ | Why is it that, in charmap, the characters ð €½ð €¼ð €»ð – are well displayed (4 chinese characters, i hope you can see it in the irc), and that there are not well displayed in Open Office but replaced by squares ? |
| 18:17.54 | k0wk0w | does debian go on sgi mips machines? |
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| 18:19.06 | jetscreamer | think so, not sure |
| 18:19.20 | jetscreamer | i've seen mips |
| 18:19.43 | McQuaid | anyone here using sid? |
| 18:19.45 | quittt | why GDM isnt in my language?? |
| 18:19.53 | quittt | McQuaid, do not use Sid |
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| 18:19.55 | jetscreamer | it should be listed here, k0wk0w http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:20.05 | jetscreamer | no, nobody uses sid, it's too dangerous |
| 18:20.08 | McQuaid | quittt: no |
| 18:20.23 | quittt | jetscreamer, some people use |
| 18:20.38 | jetscreamer | no, nobody does, quittt (wink wink) |
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| 18:21.18 | McQuaid | i just wanted someone to verify the gtk2 file open dialog freezes if one presses ctrl l as it does on my end |
| 18:21.26 | McQuaid | it does this in any app |
| 18:21.39 | quittt | why my GDM isnt in my language since all Debian is? |
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| 18:22.46 | jetscreamer | quittt, no idea, you 'might' get more response in #gnome , maybe the irc.gimp.org #gnome one also... it 'may' be that you need to edit the .conf, but i doubt it |
| 18:23.04 | quittt | jetscreamer, it is pretty strange |
| 18:23.10 | quittt | and all Gnome is in portuguese |
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| 18:23.26 | jetscreamer | debian-br no help eh |
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| 18:23.27 | McQuaid | hmm, i just tried a few dirs, it doesn't happen when there are few files, but in my home and other dirs with lots of files it freezes |
| 18:23.48 | McQuaid | under which pkg exactly would i look for a bug regarding the gtk2 file open dialog? |
| 18:23.58 | Devi0s1 | when I am trying to make psybnc with ssl support, psybnc compiles sucessfully, but it does not create the ssl certificate and ssl doesn't work. I get this error msg during the make process: SSL-Support: Yes, but no openssl binary found in "/usr/lib/ssl/".Creating Makefile. On Fedora, psybnc works with ssl right outta the box. I just started using debian, and this is driving me absolutely CRAZY. strace'in the make menuconfig proce |
| 18:23.59 | Devi0s1 | ss that returns the error msg and grepping for ssl and openssl and open is futile. openssl and ssl devel packages are installed and the openssl binary is working. it looks like autoconf.c checks for openssl binary in /usr/lib/ssl (I made a symbolic link to the one in /usr/bin, so this should work) and it even looks like it checks /usr/bin if it doesn't find it in the ssl path /usr/lib/ssl. |
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| 18:24.06 | beboo | Hey. What can cause that graphics in xfree is lagging like a windows xp with no gfx driver? Its really annoying. I'm using the nvidia driver |
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| 18:24.34 | dabreegster | I've got a question unrelated to Linux, but there doesn't seem to be an active hardware channel. I've got an old (REALLY OLD) graphic equalizer and I was trying to get it to take the output from my computer, boost it or modify it in some way, and then go to the speakers. It would see the input from an old AM/FM radio, but didn't seem to modify it. I couldn't get it to see anything from the computer. Just curious, can anybody ex |
| 18:24.35 | beuz | hi |
| 18:24.35 | jetscreamer | beboo, there is the question of which nvidia driver-module... the nvidia one or the debian one |
| 18:25.05 | jetscreamer | beboo, and you may still need some openGL libraries... not sure. |
| 18:25.31 | jetscreamer | and nv != nvidia |
| 18:25.37 | jetscreamer | exactly |
| 18:25.41 | beuz | i m a noob in linux, wanna try knoppix, tried the live cd, wanna to install on hdd, already have a fresh win xp on it, what should i do first, i tried the knoppix ionstaller, says i dont have permission to write on disc when i launch it, ty |
| 18:25.58 | shingouz | beuz: #knoppix |
| 18:26.01 | ApTek | !knoppix |
| 18:26.01 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
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| 18:26.03 | jetscreamer | beuz, a, try #kanotix... b, this isn't the knoppix channel |
| 18:26.04 | beuz | merci |
| 18:26.06 | beuz | Thank You |
| 18:26.24 | beboo_ | Hmm, my computer just went down. Did anyone have an idea about the slow graphics? |
| 18:26.33 | jetscreamer | beboo, there is the question of which nvidia driver-module... the nvidia one or the debian one |
| 18:26.37 | jetscreamer | beboo, and you may still need some openGL libraries... not sure. |
| 18:26.38 | beuz | See Ya! :p |
| 18:26.41 | jetscreamer | and nv != nvidia |
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| 18:26.55 | BeBoo | jetscreamer: the nvidia one |
| 18:27.01 | chealer | BeBoo: your fan is OK? |
| 18:27.03 | jetscreamer | as in the .run? |
| 18:27.09 | BeBoo | yeah from nvidia.com |
| 18:27.16 | BeBoo | chealer: yeah |
| 18:27.29 | BeBoo | it runs ok in games though, no problems there (tuxracer) |
| 18:27.34 | jetscreamer | i'd check the openGL libraries thing (no i don't remember how i just 'did it' ) |
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| 18:27.38 | jetscreamer | o |
| 18:27.40 | jetscreamer | well |
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| 18:27.44 | jetscreamer | no idea then |
| 18:27.48 | dabreegster | Anybody knowledgable about graphic equalizers? |
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| 18:28.08 | takatumi | !tell BeBoo -about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:28.28 | pedro_ | found a bug |
| 18:28.30 | pedro_ | at GDM |
| 18:28.39 | takatumi | pedro_: file it. |
| 18:28.41 | jetscreamer | reportbug |
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| 18:28.51 | quittt_ | it starts in english |
| 18:28.59 | BeBoo | uhm that looks like a nasty one |
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| 18:29.19 | quittt_ | if I go to /etc/init.d/ and restart it becomes in portuguese |
| 18:29.22 | quittt_ | very stupid bug |
| 18:29.38 | chealer | BeBoo: ask #nvidia |
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| 18:32.58 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 18:33.08 | quittt_ | it happens only at boot |
| 18:33.14 | Dimbit | anyone know how to choose your window manager? I want to use kwin, not metacity :/ |
| 18:33.15 | jetscreamer | BeBoo, tell em jetscreamer sent you (#nvidia) |
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| 18:33.42 | jetscreamer | Dimbit, ctrl+alt+bckspace or /etc/init.d/gdm|xdm|kdm stop |
| 18:33.45 | chealer | BeBoo: hehe, do you deliver passports now? :) |
| 18:34.05 | chealer | oops, jetscreamer |
| 18:34.08 | quittt_ | jetscreamer, why that bug? |
| 18:34.12 | rob_ | i got a question, i go to /etc/init.d and do ./gdm stop or any other service i dont want on, but when i reboot, they are all renabled |
| 18:34.20 | rob_ | how do i stop them from turing on once i reoboot |
| 18:34.35 | elephantman | In a incremential backup : If a target file is deleted, will the backup image will delete it too ? |
| 18:34.39 | jetscreamer | quittt, no idea... you could look at the startup script and see if there's something obvious you could edit |
| 18:34.41 | chealer | quittt_: what's your release? |
| 18:34.41 | Dimbit | thx |
| 18:34.45 | meff | rob_: quick hack.. chmod -x /etc/init.d/servicename |
| 18:34.46 | rpetre | rob_: update-rc.d |
| 18:34.56 | meff | or that ;) |
| 18:35.00 | elephantman | Or is this behaviour is for differential backup ? |
| 18:35.01 | rob_ | ahhh thx |
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| 18:35.16 | jetscreamer | see also /etc/rcX.d |
| 18:35.17 | elephantman | incremential = incremental |
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| 18:35.41 | BeBoo | That nvidia oneliner doesn't work :p |
| 18:35.42 | takatumi | !dict incremential |
| 18:35.47 | dpkg | could not find definition for incremential |
| 18:35.53 | chealer | !tell BeBoo about nvidia-howto |
| 18:35.53 | jetscreamer | cremental |
| 18:35.57 | afabian | elephantman, I would consult the documentation for the back-up tool you're using. |
| 18:36.00 | McQuaid | uh how do i kill gamin for just this session, as soon as i kill it it starts again |
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| 18:36.13 | valdyn | quittt_: did you set your locales other than doing dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 18:36.19 | BeBoo | thanks |
| 18:36.20 | takatumi | directhex|work: ping |
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| 18:36.33 | elephantman | afabian: already did but thanx |
| 18:36.33 | felipefonseca | hi all |
| 18:36.46 | felipefonseca | any expert on debian-ppc? |
| 18:36.47 | afabian | If it's unclear, deleting files in an already made back-up is not the usual/default behavior for any tool I'm aware of. It if doesn't say it, don't count on it. |
| 18:37.00 | chealer | felipefonseca: #debian-ppc? |
| 18:37.05 | felipefonseca | ok, sorry |
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| 18:37.40 | rob_ | also , does anyone know what uses rpc bind, and where to disable it |
| 18:37.43 | chealer | oops, #debianppc |
| 18:37.45 | rob_ | i cant find it in /etc/init.d |
| 18:37.50 | rob_ | or etc/inet.d |
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| 18:38.08 | bmoore | rob_: portmap |
| 18:38.21 | rob_ | can i disable it ? |
| 18:38.34 | afabian | rob_, I know that NFS uses portmap. |
| 18:38.34 | rob_ | portmap is for like netstat |
| 18:38.35 | bmoore | rob_: Yes. check out update-rc.d |
| 18:38.41 | rob_ | k |
| 18:39.04 | rob_ | anyone know what hp-managed-node port 782 is |
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| 18:40.25 | bmoore | rob_: If you run netstat as root with the '-p' flag, it tells you what process ID has each port open |
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| 18:40.58 | McQuaid | how do i kill gamin for just this session? as soon as I kill it, it immediately starts again |
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| 18:41.12 | rob_ | i have a question, if i want to set up my computer with server side ppp enabled so i can dial into my linux box, and i only have 1 main house fone line, how would i set that all up |
| 18:41.13 | Rawplayer | killall ? |
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| 18:41.18 | McQuaid | tried taht |
| 18:41.23 | sub_zero | Hey... quick question, if im trying to boot GRUB off /dev/hdc1, what should the root(hd*,*) say? root(hd2,1) ?? |
| 18:41.25 | BeBoo | Thay guide doesn't work either. The nvidia-kernel-source packages doesn't exists |
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| 18:41.37 | chealer | BeBoo: get sid sources |
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| 18:41.45 | Enkahel | hi all |
| 18:41.55 | chealer | BeBoo: the guide has a note that should be made a warning :/ |
| 18:42.02 | Vin | My box boots up into X, what runmode is this. If I remember debian is a little different than the rest |
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| 18:42.20 | rob_ | 2 |
| 18:42.24 | rob_ | runmode 2 i believe |
| 18:42.30 | rob_ | rc2 |
| 18:42.39 | zophyx | ru level 2 |
| 18:42.43 | zophyx | runlevel 2 |
| 18:42.47 | takatumi | Vin: try rcconf |
| 18:42.49 | BeBoo | chealer: I do have sid sources. |
| 18:42.56 | chealer | BeBoo: non-free, contrib? |
| 18:43.11 | basti | how can i unrar rar files with debian? |
| 18:43.11 | drasko | sub_zero, i guess (hd2,0) |
| 18:43.13 | BeBoo | ah lol, only added testing as contirb and non-free :p |
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| 18:43.17 | Enkahel | I'm trying to install and use dmcrypt (a way to encrypt partitions) |
| 18:43.18 | drac | basti: with unrar |
| 18:43.25 | basti | ah thanks |
| 18:43.47 | drasko | sub_zero, nope, you were right... |
| 18:43.52 | Enkahel | but I encounter some unexpected problem during kernel recompil' |
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| 18:44.12 | zophyx | Vin: investigate the /sbin/runlevel program |
| 18:44.12 | valdyn | rob_: isdn? |
| 18:44.21 | chealer | McQuaid: are you running fam? |
| 18:44.28 | Enkahel | I found nothing on google about the error I get |
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| 18:44.40 | drasko | Vin, look /etc/inittab to see your default runlevel... |
| 18:44.46 | McQuaid | no i removed fam and switched to gamin a few days ago |
| 18:44.47 | Devi0s1 | when I am trying to make psybnc with ssl support, psybnc compiles sucessfully, but it does not create the ssl certificate and ssl doesn't work. I get this error msg during the make process: SSL-Support: Yes, but no openssl binary found in "/usr/lib/ssl/".Creating Makefile. On Fedora, psybnc works with ssl right outta the box. I just started using debian, and this is driving me absolutely CRAZY. strace'in the make menuconfig proce |
| 18:44.48 | Devi0s1 | ss that returns the error msg and grepping for ssl and openssl and open is futile. openssl and ssl devel packages are installed and the openssl binary is working. it looks like autoconf.c checks for openssl binary in /usr/lib/ssl (I made a symbolic link to the one in /usr/bin, so this should work) and it even looks like it checks /usr/bin if it doesn't find it in the ssl path /usr/lib/ssl. |
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| 18:45.01 | Vin | drasko -if I just wanted to boot into text, what runlevel ? |
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| 18:45.30 | thomas_adam | Vin: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:45.37 | McQuaid | chealer: in certain dirs with lots of files, the gtk2 file open dialog hangs when i use ctrl L |
| 18:45.44 | drasko | Vin, 2 |
| 18:45.47 | Enkahel | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686-smp' |
| 18:45.48 | Enkahel | make[2]: *** no rule to build target « init/main.o », needed for « init/built-in.o ». Stop. |
| 18:45.48 | thomas_adam | drasko: No. |
| 18:45.51 | McQuaid | i suspect gamin might be an issue i wanted to kill it for this session as a test |
| 18:45.54 | Vin | I'm in 2 right now |
| 18:45.59 | McQuaid | but as soon as i kill it it starts right back up |
| 18:46.01 | BrianAnthony | Had anyone else had the problem with X starting and loading with no errors, but then not having a mouse or keyboard? |
| 18:46.01 | BeBoo | if the graphics still are very slow, what can the problem be? |
| 18:46.09 | bmoore | Vin: You want to disable any display managers you might have |
| 18:46.14 | thomas_adam | drasko: 2 is the default runlevel, but X is started throughout runlevels 2->5. |
| 18:46.16 | quittt | corrected the problem |
| 18:46.22 | thomas_adam | bmoore: He knows this. |
| 18:46.29 | thomas_adam | !tell Vin -about nodm |
| 18:46.31 | BeBoo | well restarting x :o |
| 18:46.34 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: did it just start happening? |
| 18:46.40 | thomas_adam | Why don't people _read_ what's being said in here, ffs? |
| 18:46.52 | BrianAnthony | it's been happening for about 3 days |
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| 18:46.58 | drasko | thomas_adam, yas, you re right... |
| 18:47.02 | BrianAnthony | I'm configuring everything right |
| 18:47.04 | Vin | thomas_adamn I got you I'm looking it up |
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| 18:47.06 | drasko | my wrong... |
| 18:47.10 | BrianAnthony | but it's not doing shit |
| 18:47.18 | bmoore | thomas_adam: Sorry. I was unsucessfully implying that it wasn't a runlevel issue, which I didn't think he understood |
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| 18:47.31 | BrianAnthony | takatumi: do you know what is wrong? |
| 18:47.38 | rob_ | valdyn no not isdn |
| 18:47.41 | rob_ | just dialing into it |
| 18:47.45 | rob_ | regular telefone line |
| 18:47.54 | beboo | Hmm, now xfree can't start, saying that the nvidia driver doesn't exists. I can load the module with modprobe nvidia :o |
| 18:48.28 | chealer | beboo: that's what you have to do, and echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules to load it "permanently" |
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| 18:48.39 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: cat /etc/issue |
| 18:48.40 | valdyn | rob_: find a way to message your pc to start listening on the phone with some other way, or make it only answer after the 15th ring or uh, theres no good way i guess |
| 18:48.44 | beboo | chealer: well it is loaded.. |
| 18:48.50 | Kbyte | mmm per evitare problemi con script php, dite che è conveniente che i files siano di proprietà di un utente che non sia apache? |
| 18:48.59 | chealer | beboo: it won't after a reboot if you don't edit /etc/modules |
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| 18:49.04 | fabrizio | join #debian.it |
| 18:49.09 | BrianAnthony | Debian Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 18:49.13 | rob_ | valdyn any ideas on how to do that ? |
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| 18:49.30 | valdyn | rob_: to do what exactly? |
| 18:49.32 | beboo | chealer: I know i wont, but a reboot still doesn't fix it |
| 18:49.35 | rob_ | have i |
| 18:49.38 | Kbyte | fabrizio: ups. ) wrong tab :) |
| 18:49.38 | rob_ | have it listen only |
| 18:49.40 | Vin | so to stop X simply....debian:/etc/rc2.d# mv S99xdm K99xdm |
| 18:49.41 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: is it a laptop? |
| 18:49.42 | rob_ | only 15th ring |
| 18:49.45 | rob_ | would be a script? |
| 18:49.52 | BrianAnthony | No, it's a regular box |
| 18:50.00 | valdyn | rob_: some AT command i guess, i dont know them |
| 18:50.05 | rob_ | ok |
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| 18:50.16 | beboo | should the module name be nv or nvidia when using that guide thingie? |
| 18:50.20 | chealer | beboo: you said X didn't start. it didn't improve after your modprove? |
| 18:50.24 | chealer | nvidia |
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| 18:50.39 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: have you changed anything in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 18:50.43 | valdyn | rob_: your modem is what handles this independently of your pc, once its configured via AT commands |
| 18:50.43 | beboo | chealer: it doesn't start |
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| 18:51.01 | BrianAnthony | I can xf86config and saved it to that file in /etc/X11 |
| 18:51.08 | BrianAnthony | s/can/ran |
| 18:51.14 | TolkienLuver | !info cacti |
| 18:51.16 | dpkg | cacti: (Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services), section web, is extra. Version: 0.8.5a-8 (sid), Packaged size: 705 kB, Installed size: 2300 kB |
| 18:51.24 | TolkienLuver | !info mysql-server |
| 18:51.24 | chealer | beboo: modprobe nvidia works, but X doesn't start? what's the error? |
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| 18:51.28 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.23-6 (sid), Packaged size: 3555 kB, Installed size: 8600 kB |
| 18:51.36 | takatumi | !sing bob2 |
| 18:51.36 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 18:51.38 | TolkienLuver | !info mysql-server-4.1 |
| 18:51.42 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.9-4 (sid), Packaged size: 14169 kB, Installed size: 30276 kB |
| 18:51.50 | beboo | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exists,0) |
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| 18:51.57 | chealer | !tell TolkienLuver about msg |
| 18:51.57 | takatumi | TolkienLuver: fucking /msg the bot |
| 18:52.15 | TolkienLuver | sure. |
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| 18:52.23 | BrianAnthony | takatumi: it's really odd, because I can install it just fine and have ull functionality, but when I try get a better graphics driver, that's when it goes to hell |
| 18:52.27 | spazticblue | Hey, I'm having a problem setting up my Audigy LS on Sarge, Kernel version 2.6.8 My understanding is that it comes with the alsa modules, but it's missing the snd-audigyls module |
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| 18:52.43 | drasko | Vin, thomas_adam , runlevels: Runlevel 0: Halt System - To shutdown the system |
| 18:52.43 | drasko | Runlevel 1: Single user mode |
| 18:52.44 | drasko | Runlevel 2: Basic multi user mode without NFS |
| 18:52.44 | drasko | Runlevel 3: Full multi user mode (text based) |
| 18:52.44 | drasko | Runlevel 4: unused |
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| 18:52.45 | beboo | spazticblue: the module is named emu10k1 |
| 18:52.48 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: which graphics card? |
| 18:52.50 | spazticblue | For the audigy ls? |
| 18:52.52 | BrianAnthony | takatumi: do you think it could be with my graphics drivers? |
| 18:52.57 | BrianAnthony | I have a radeon 9550 |
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| 18:52.58 | beboo | spazticblue: yes |
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| 18:53.07 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: which driver? |
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| 18:53.21 | BrianAnthony | I used X's default radeon driver |
| 18:53.26 | beboo | chealer: any ideas? |
| 18:53.32 | spazticblue | beboo: negative |
| 18:53.36 | BrianAnthony | I tried to upgrade it to ATI's fglrx driver for x |
| 18:53.41 | BrianAnthony | but it didn't install right |
| 18:53.50 | chealer | beboo: if modprobe nvidia works, I don't see why X says that |
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| 18:54.16 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: the mouse and keyboard works fine with the default radeon driver? |
| 18:54.21 | jasz | is there any way I can remove a package using apt-get.. and algo remove all dependencies of that package (in cascade)... but (of coure) not removing dependencies of other apps?? |
| 18:54.25 | BrianAnthony | No |
| 18:54.30 | TolkienLuver | Hi, im tryign to install cacti from apt-get, but apt is telling me to remove mysql4.1 and install mysql4.0 instead to continue |
| 18:54.30 | chealer | beboo: does lsmod | grep nvidia show it? |
| 18:54.36 | BrianAnthony | When I first set up X |
| 18:54.36 | TolkienLuver | Is this compulsory? |
| 18:54.45 | the | hey wots up? |
| 18:54.57 | BrianAnthony | it has like a debian setup style, not like xf86config do you know what I'm saying? |
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| 18:55.10 | beboo | chealer: yes |
| 18:55.12 | McQuaid | what functionality would i be losing exactly if i killed gamin permanently? |
| 18:55.17 | BrianAnthony | It's blue in the background and then it's got a grey menu |
| 18:55.18 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: run dexconf |
| 18:55.35 | BrianAnthony | okay |
| 18:55.38 | beboo | spazticblue: try snd_emu10k1 or try finding it in modconf |
| 18:55.39 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: wait |
| 18:55.39 | BrianAnthony | it didn't do anything |
| 18:55.45 | takatumi | heh |
| 18:56.05 | PoWeRKiLL | how can I install all HP server tools made for redhat on my debian system ? |
| 18:56.08 | stew | jasz: removing a package will remove all things dependant on that package. use deborphan to find packages which were brought in because of dependencies which are no longer needed |
| 18:56.10 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: now try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:56.22 | scarynetworkguy | PoWeRKiLL: You could try alien. |
| 18:56.30 | chealer | beboo: tell me if you figure it |
| 18:56.36 | jasz | stew.. cool.. that's just what i needed.. thank you |
| 18:56.39 | beboo | I properly wont |
| 18:56.46 | beboo | err cant |
| 18:56.56 | BrianAnthony | takatumi, this is the right menu |
| 18:57.01 | BrianAnthony | or |
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| 18:57.08 | BrianAnthony | or the one I was talking about |
| 18:57.15 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: to configure /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? yes. |
| 18:57.31 | BrianAnthony | I can get functionality, but it gives me only 800x600 resolution |
| 18:57.42 | BrianAnthony | So I try to run xf86config |
| 18:57.54 | beboo | hmm, apt-get install nvidia-glx did fix it chealer, but i'm not sure that is the best way to do it |
| 18:57.59 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: but your mouse and keyboard works in 800x600? |
| 18:58.05 | BrianAnthony | and config everythign the same, but then the x-server loads and it's the good resolution, but I have no functionality |
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| 18:58.07 | BrianAnthony | yeah |
| 18:58.24 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: that is strange. |
| 18:58.40 | chealer | beboo: I was suspecting you didn't follow that howto :) |
| 18:58.42 | stew | BrianAnthony: are you looking at the X logs? |
| 18:58.50 | beboo | chealer: i did |
| 18:58.54 | chealer | beboo: the best way to do what? |
| 18:59.00 | beboo | chealer: fix the problem :p |
| 18:59.18 | takatumi | !tell BrianAnthony -about ati drivers |
| 18:59.20 | chealer | beboo: wait, what's your current problem? |
| 18:59.30 | beboo | that x wont start |
| 18:59.41 | beboo | i'm gonna try that guide again |
| 18:59.51 | chealer | beboo: didn't you say that apt-get install nvidia-glx fixed it? |
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| 19:00.16 | beboo | chealer: it did, but the grahpics was still really slow |
| 19:00.24 | blackout | i'm using the heimdal kdc debian package - when clients connect, they get a converting creds error - i don't want anyone to even try to convert creds |
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| 19:00.38 | arango | I compiled and loaded a third party driver and the kernel prints : no version for 'struct_module' found. Please help |
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| 19:00.48 | chealer | beboo: so that's where your current problem is, right? |
| 19:00.53 | beboo | yeah right |
| 19:01.07 | beboo | but trying to reinstall the nvidia driver, i have an idea about me fucking something up :p |
| 19:01.09 | BrianAnthony | takatumi: I think I got it, and I'm inlove with you |
| 19:01.10 | chealer | beboo: ask #nvidia. make sure you have the right X modules |
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| 19:01.38 | BrianAnthony | shit |
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| 19:01.40 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: no worries. |
| 19:01.43 | takatumi | heh |
| 19:01.45 | BrianAnthony | I actualy don't think I have a keyboard |
| 19:01.47 | BrianAnthony | but the mouse works |
| 19:01.55 | \Igor\ | I know that debian-installer does not recommend XFS for the root partition, but has anyone done that? have you run into any problems? |
| 19:02.00 | BrianAnthony | let me get a window manager really quick |
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| 19:02.15 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: where from? the cupboard? |
| 19:02.43 | scarynetworkguy | \Igor\: Are you using a /boot partition? |
| 19:02.47 | beboo | chealer: i used the modules from the examle that comes with the original nvidia driver |
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| 19:02.53 | adapter | 12387 |
| 19:03.08 | \Igor\ | scarynetworkguy: i'm planning an installation now, I'm considering it, but not decided |
| 19:03.15 | chealer | beboo: the howto mentions the relevant ones |
| 19:03.27 | restrex | can I take a screenshot of a tty withut x ?? |
| 19:03.32 | restrex | I need it :( |
| 19:03.35 | PerfDave | restrex: screen |
| 19:03.36 | scarynetworkguy | \Igor\: Well you should make the /boot ext3 and \ XFS and you should be fine. |
| 19:03.54 | \Igor\ | scarynetworkguy: I did try a recent grub, and it recognizes xfs with the right 1.5 stage |
| 19:03.54 | mCorey | what do we consider debian's equivalent to USE flags in the event someone wants to be insane and apt-get source a lot of stuff? |
| 19:04.02 | takatumi | !nickometer \Igor\ |
| 19:04.02 | dpkg | '\Igor\' is 14.000% lame, takatumi |
| 19:04.14 | restrex | PerfDave ok |
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| 19:04.23 | scarynetworkguy | \Igor\: The above worked for me before I went to all ext3. |
| 19:04.33 | \Igor\ | takatumi: you are making headlines with old news |
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| 19:04.49 | \Igor\ | scarynetworkguy: ok, thanks |
| 19:04.54 | takatumi | \Igor\: no your nick still sucks. |
| 19:05.07 | merlincorey | anyone? :) |
| 19:05.19 | scarynetworkguy | And your nick does suck. Almost to the point that I didn't say anything it is such a pita. |
| 19:05.23 | jasz | which email client do you guys recommend (not console, not mutt)?? |
| 19:05.30 | scarynetworkguy | jasz: Mutt. |
| 19:05.32 | merlincorey | jasz: balsa? |
| 19:05.50 | chealer | jasz: what DE? |
| 19:05.51 | \Igor\ | scarynetworkguy: there is no need to type the \'s in my name |
| 19:06.11 | merlincorey | \Igor\: sure there is or we aren't talking to you |
| 19:06.16 | jasz | scarynetworkguy doesnt read all the question :P |
| 19:06.21 | merlincorey | idnar, ipw , ildegar , no \Igor\ |
| 19:06.23 | jasz | merlincorey, .. isnt balsa the same as Evolution? |
| 19:06.31 | jasz | chealer, .. DE ? |
| 19:06.31 | merlincorey | jasz: I have no clue |
| 19:06.37 | merlincorey | does anyone have an answer for me? |
| 19:06.40 | merlincorey | :P |
| 19:06.40 | idnar | merlincorey: huh? |
| 19:06.41 | chealer | desktop environment |
| 19:06.50 | \Igor\ | merlincorey: tab completion is very corrosive |
| 19:06.54 | jasz | chealer, WindowMaker (I don't like GNUMail) .... |
| 19:06.57 | idnar | merlincorey: your client sucks :P |
| 19:06.57 | merlincorey | idnar: backscroll, proving a point to \Igor\, I'm sorry |
| 19:07.11 | whaq_ | Linux needs a theme song. |
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| 19:07.20 | idnar | merlincorey: I can type igo<tab> to get \Igor\ :) |
| 19:07.29 | merlincorey | me too |
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| 19:07.30 | merlincorey | apparently |
| 19:07.36 | beboo | irssi is teh client :p |
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| 19:07.43 | merlincorey | but I have to type igo[tab][tab] |
| 19:07.51 | merlincorey | oh no |
| 19:07.53 | merlincorey | that was just ig |
| 19:07.56 | merlincorey | *nod* |
| 19:08.02 | paulswm | simplest not to type it at all |
| 19:08.06 | \Igor\ | merlincorey: if you type `igor' you save at least one keystroke |
| 19:08.15 | takatumi | or not look at it. |
| 19:08.31 | merlincorey | where's that your nick sucks because of idiotic characters factoid? |
| 19:08.43 | Phated | !leading punctuation |
| 19:08.43 | dpkg | if your nick begins with leading punctuation, nobody is going to want to help you, because typing your nick is a HUGE FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS, even with tab completion |
| 19:08.52 | jasz | at least.. Evolution feels faster than Mozilla Thunderbird... |
| 19:09.00 | paulswm | !win Phated |
| 19:09.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, Phated! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:09.07 | Phated | Thank you. |
| 19:09.14 | zophyx | !commands |
| 19:09.28 | chealer | !tell zophyx about help |
| 19:09.30 | zophyx | is there a list of dpkg commands ? |
| 19:09.33 | zophyx | tanks |
| 19:09.40 | merlincorey | Phated!!!! |
| 19:09.53 | takatumi | kiddieporn |
| 19:10.04 | Phated | And you're watching it. |
| 19:10.21 | takatumi | :) |
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| 19:11.26 | jasz | i dont get it.. why is Novell selling "Linux Desktop" ... looks like any Gnome desktop to me... |
| 19:11.38 | Eno_ | i get this "-bash: ./autogen.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied" when i try running ./configure or ./autogen.sh |
| 19:11.39 | beboo | SuSe Personal is free |
| 19:12.07 | Babbage | I've had a really nasty time fixing my LVM configuration :-) |
| 19:12.15 | gilles_ | Is it possible to connect to a computer which is under a NAT via ssh without having to redirect the port 22, but using its inet address ? |
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| 19:12.49 | paulswm | abrotman! |
| 19:13.06 | Babbage | Eno_> do "head -1 ./autogen.sh | od -c" Is there an "\r" in there somewhere? |
| 19:13.27 | noid2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.40 | valdyn | gilles_: youre confusing. Is that "host under a NAT" connected to the internet directly? |
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| 19:13.47 | abrotman | paulswm! |
| 19:13.48 | Devi0s1 | when I am trying to make psybnc with ssl support, psybnc compiles sucessfully, but it does not create the ssl certificate and ssl doesn't work. I get this error msg during the make process: SSL-Support: Yes, but no openssl binary found in "/usr/lib/ssl/".Creating Makefile. On Fedora, psybnc works with ssl right outta the box. I just started using debian, and this is driving me absolutely CRAZY. strace'in the make menuconfig proce |
| 19:13.48 | Devi0s1 | ss that returns the error msg and grepping for ssl and openssl and open is futile. openssl and ssl devel packages are installed and the openssl binary is working. it looks like autoconf.c checks for openssl binary in /usr/lib/ssl (I made a symbolic link to the one in /usr/bin, so this should work) and it even looks like it checks /usr/bin if it doesn't find it in the ssl path /usr/lib/ssl. |
| 19:13.51 | BrianAnthony | takatumi: ping |
| 19:14.00 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: pong |
| 19:14.02 | Eno_ | Babbage: nope |
| 19:14.08 | BrianAnthony | mouse, but no keyboard |
| 19:14.18 | afabian | gilles_, if the NAT is from an internal address (192.168.0.2), that machine does not get incoming connections from the Internet (any machine not on the LAN) without port forwarding, period. |
| 19:14.50 | Babbage | Eno_> OK. What do you get if you type "ls -ld /bin/sh" ? |
| 19:15.00 | BrianAnthony | My keyboard is really generic, and it works with just the pc104 setting. which is what I put it at. but I don't understand why it wouldn't be working |
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| 19:15.35 | gilles_ | valdyn: yes, this host is connected to internet |
| 19:15.45 | gilles_ | valdyn: directly |
| 19:15.51 | valdyn | gilles_: so its not under a nat ) |
| 19:15.54 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: does your keyboard work on the console? ctrl-alt-F1? |
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| 19:16.01 | valdyn | gilles_: consequently you dont need port forwarding |
| 19:16.03 | merlincorey | so... in the event someone is insane and wants to apt-get source a lot of stuff, what is debian's gentoo USE equivalent, or am I right in thinking something like that is already in place because it isn't gentoo only? |
| 19:16.05 | gilles_ | valdyn: dsorry, via a nat |
| 19:16.23 | valdyn | gilles_: its nating itself? |
| 19:16.23 | BrianAnthony | takatumi, my keyboard works fine in console |
| 19:16.26 | BrianAnthony | I'm in console now |
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| 19:16.38 | BrianAnthony | I'm running bitchx from the console |
| 19:16.44 | Babbage | merlincorey> Heh, this is #debian, so er don't know what "USE" is. |
| 19:16.49 | gilles_ | valdyn: i use the web nat of my internet provider |
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| 19:17.01 | merlincorey | Babbage: I'm with you, bro, that's why I'm asking |
| 19:17.07 | Eno_ | Babbage: hmm, i just found something strange. i can't run any program or script on my /mnt/hdc1, but when i copy it to hdc7 (/home) it works. |
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| 19:17.11 | gilles_ | valdyn: i can redirect, but as long as the connection is in dhcp... |
| 19:17.12 | takatumi | merlincorey: http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 19:17.21 | merlincorey | takatumi: danke |
| 19:17.27 | Babbage | Eno_> What filesystem is /mnt/hdc1 ? |
| 19:17.31 | Babbage | Eno_> What filesystem TYPE is /mnt/hdc1 ? |
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| 19:17.49 | Eno_ | ext3 |
| 19:17.50 | pigeonflight | I'm looking at setting up a debian based antivirus, antispam email gateway |
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| 19:18.01 | pigeonflight | the article suggests that I use sarge |
| 19:18.03 | pigeonflight | http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/spamfilter20041003.html |
| 19:18.05 | Babbage | Eno_> is it mounted with the "noexec" option? |
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| 19:18.14 | valdyn | gilles_: thats some funny provider..if you have a real internet adress then you dont need to forward ports, if you do not, then your isp needs to forward that port to you |
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| 19:18.20 | Eno_ | Babbage: "/dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1 ext3 rw,user 0 0" |
| 19:18.29 | Eno_ | mounted like that |
| 19:18.30 | pigeonflight | I've always been discouraged from using debian testing |
| 19:18.34 | pigeonflight | any thoughts? |
| 19:18.38 | petemc | pigeonflight: read tim jacksons spam and virus scanning how to, its pretty good |
| 19:18.45 | Babbage | Eno_> yup, what about "mount | grep hdc1" ? |
| 19:18.58 | Matthew_I | how can I set up a local apt repo so I can put packages there and apt-get install them |
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| 19:19.04 | Eno_ | Babbage: yeah, it's got noexec in there |
| 19:19.15 | paulswm | pigeonflight: sarge is good |
| 19:19.16 | Babbage | Eno_> ta-da. That's the reason. |
| 19:19.22 | Eno_ | :) |
| 19:19.28 | BrianAnthony | takatumi, do you think it could be something with the video card ram? |
| 19:19.38 | BrianAnthony | I have 256 |
| 19:19.38 | polish | elo |
| 19:19.44 | Eno_ | Babbage: how do i go about allowing it? |
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| 19:19.58 | valdyn | gilles_: i believe you might be getting something wrong, usually isps for private households give you a real but dynamic ( obtained via dhcp ) internet adress |
| 19:20.10 | BrianAnthony | but if I set 256mb of ram with x's radeon driver, it'll say memory error |
| 19:20.11 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: if it works in 800x600 I don't really know what could be wrong? maybe the driver. |
| 19:20.14 | pigeonflight | paulswm: last I checked, I was told.... use woody for servers, sid for desktop, what has changed? |
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| 19:20.20 | Babbage | Eno_> As root... mount /dev/hdc1 -o remount,defaults,rw |
| 19:20.26 | Xemacs_ | Matthew_I, apt-proxy, others |
| 19:20.26 | gilles_ | valdyn: its a fixed internet address, but under the nat it's in dhcp from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.50 |
| 19:20.27 | Empty | What's the best way to purge an exim queue? |
| 19:20.31 | BrianAnthony | Well these are default X drivers |
| 19:20.35 | pipeline | BrianAnthony: You shouldn't set any amount of RAM, let it auto-detect it. |
| 19:20.48 | Eno_ | Babbage: so "defaults" will do the trick? |
| 19:20.53 | Matthew_I | Xemacs_: no, so I can run dpkg-scanpackages on it and include it in my apt sources list |
| 19:20.58 | BrianAnthony | pipeline: would it auto detect if I left it blank? |
| 19:21.00 | takatumi | BrianAnthony: mine is a radeon340, I get DRI only in xorg, running that now. (not recommended though) |
| 19:21.06 | BrianAnthony | it didn't say anythign about auto-detection |
| 19:21.17 | Babbage | Eno_> I think that should have happened anyway. Not sure how you got where you are. |
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| 19:21.34 | jasz | where are the gnome icons stored ? |
| 19:21.50 | valdyn | gilles_: ok - then talk to your isp to forward that port |
| 19:21.52 | gilles_ | valdyn: my provider gives me a dhcp address that always bounds on the same ip |
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| 19:22.25 | Matthew_I | never mind |
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| 19:22.44 | valdyn | gilles_: or just change isp.. |
| 19:23.07 | Devi0s1 | when I am trying to make psybnc with ssl support, psybnc compiles sucessfully, but it does not create the ssl certificate and ssl doesn't work. I get this error msg during the make process: SSL-Support: Yes, but no openssl binary found in "/usr/lib/ssl/".Creating Makefile. On Fedora, psybnc works with ssl right outta the box. I just started using debian, and this is driving me absolutely CRAZY. strace'in the make menuconfig proce |
| 19:23.07 | Devi0s1 | ss that returns the error msg and grepping for ssl and openssl and open is futile. openssl and ssl devel packages are installed and the openssl binary is working. it looks like autoconf.c checks for openssl binary in /usr/lib/ssl (I made a symbolic link to the one in /usr/bin, so this should work) and it even looks like it checks /usr/bin if it doesn't find it in the ssl path /usr/lib/ssl. |
| 19:23.11 | valdyn | gilles_: or can you set the forwarding yourself? |
| 19:23.14 | Eno_ | Babbage: hmm, the mount command you gave me didn't get rid of noexec, but "mount /dev/hdc1 -o remount,defaults,rw,exec" did |
| 19:23.15 | gilles_ | valdyn: i know how to forward it |
| 19:23.23 | takatumi | Devi0s1: enough! |
| 19:23.24 | valdyn | gilles_: ah, fine then do it |
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| 19:23.51 | Devi0s1 | takatumi: sorry man, i really need to get this up and running for a client and I am stuck |
| 19:24.03 | takatumi | Devi0s1: tried google? |
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| 19:24.14 | Devi0s1 | takatumi: i know not where to go from here. spent about 4 hours on google. |
| 19:24.15 | Eno_ | Babbage: this computer does weird stuff like this, though. it's unstable.. |
| 19:24.20 | paulswm | pigeonflight: Sarge doesn't yet get security updates, make your own assessment of the risks, sarge is easier to manage than woody though apspecially if your hardware is younger than woody, your choice |
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| 19:24.34 | Babbage | Eno_> I thoiught that *was* the mount command I gave you? |
| 19:24.37 | Devi0s1 | takatumi: I've even tried dechipering the source code of psybnc |
| 19:24.54 | takatumi | Devi0s1: checked bts? |
| 19:24.59 | Eno_ | Babbage: it was, except for the "exec" part |
| 19:25.01 | Devi0s1 | takatumi: and I'm asking the same questions in the IRCNet #psybnc channel |
| 19:25.04 | Babbage | Eno_> Oh, no, there's the "exec" option |
| 19:25.07 | Devi0s1 | bts? |
| 19:25.14 | abrotman | what is psybnc ? |
| 19:25.18 | takatumi | naah, yourr trying to compile right? |
| 19:25.27 | Devi0s1 | abrotman: irc proxy |
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| 19:25.38 | abrotman | you're telling me there isn't another irc proxy in debian ? |
| 19:25.43 | PerfDave | abrotman: There's several. |
| 19:25.57 | Devi0s1 | abrotman: client specifically wants psy because you can network psy's together |
| 19:26.06 | PerfDave | Devi0s1: Much like irssi ;) |
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| 19:26.21 | abrotman | Devi0s1: have you tried editing the make file to look where the file actually is? |
| 19:26.24 | takatumi | Devi0s1: then wait in #psybnc |
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| 19:26.31 | Eno_ | Babbage: well, problem solved. will reboot to make sure it mounts okay. thanks |
| 19:26.35 | Devi0s1 | I am waiting in both places |
| 19:26.46 | Devi0s1 | how about you just ignore me if you are that bothered |
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| 19:27.41 | Devi0s1 | abrotman: I don't understand the makefile well enough, and I have created a symbolic link to the binary in the dir where it finds ssl |
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| 19:27.54 | chfn | I would like to know if someone is able to anwser when apt (sid) mirror will fix k3blibs ? |
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| 19:28.24 | takatumi | chfn: checked bugs.debian.org? |
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| 19:28.49 | csaba198 | hi! Is there any program like recover or e2undel for ext3? |
| 19:28.53 | BrianAnthony | well, I ran through the setup again to let it auto-detect ram |
| 19:28.56 | BrianAnthony | and |
| 19:29.01 | BrianAnthony | I had no mouse again |
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| 19:29.03 | chfn | tak_, not alreaedy. thanks |
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| 19:29.05 | valdyn | !unix lessons |
| 19:29.05 | dpkg | unix lessons is probably (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 19:29.07 | BrianAnthony | aswell as no keyboard |
| 19:29.20 | PerfDave | chfn: Yes, someone is able to answer that question. |
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| 19:29.45 | BrianAnthony | So it's gotta be somethign with the card settings |
| 19:30.07 | hobx | I get an error doing make-kpkg on kernel-image.2.6.10 |
| 19:30.08 | BrianAnthony | and if it is, I'm SOL because there's only two questions for the card. 1. the driver 2. the ram |
| 19:30.13 | hobx | make: *** No rule to make target `conf.vars', needed by `stamp-configure'. Stop. |
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| 19:30.21 | chfn | PerfDave, :D |
| 19:30.43 | Zaphar_ps | hello folks |
| 19:30.44 | paulswm | csaba198: ext3 is an ext2 filesystem with a journal, if something works on ext2 it'll work on ext3 |
| 19:30.50 | abrotman | Devi0s1: well ... figure out the make file . most aren't that difficult |
| 19:30.51 | BrianAnthony | and one quick question... how can you use mroe than one window in bitchx on the console? |
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| 19:31.10 | Nurbs | paulswm: no, it won't |
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| 19:31.37 | Zaphar_ps | Can anyone help a guy with a drive mounting question? |
| 19:31.52 | Babbage | !tell Zaphar_ps about asking |
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| 19:32.00 | Zaphar_ps | :-) |
| 19:32.06 | sheeparegreat | mount -t type device mountpoint |
| 19:32.16 | Zaphar_ps | I know that much |
| 19:32.18 | Nurbs | paulswm, csaba198: ext3 overwrites more data than ext2, so there are no tools to recover the files, except a good backup :) |
| 19:32.27 | sheeparegreat | what are you trying to do? |
| 19:32.28 | Zaphar_ps | my problem is I can't mount it so that executable will run off it |
| 19:32.44 | Zaphar_ps | first time I've had this problem |
| 19:32.51 | Phated | Take our noexec in /etc/fstav? |
| 19:32.51 | Babbage | Zaphar_ps> What type of FS is it? |
| 19:32.54 | Phated | fstab. |
| 19:33.00 | paulswm | Nurbs: Ah, I didn't realize that. |
| 19:33.02 | Zaphar_ps | ext3 FS |
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| 19:33.17 | Zaphar_ps | with this line is fstab |
| 19:33.19 | Zaphar_ps | /dev/hde1/dataext3rw,exec,users,suid |
| 19:33.20 | Babbage | Zaphar_ps> You probably have it mounted "noexec". |
| 19:33.36 | Devi0s1 | abrotman: I don't see where it looks for the binary in the makefile... can I make a pastebin? |
| 19:33.38 | Phated | Just put it rw,users,noauto. |
| 19:33.40 | Babbage | Zaphar_ps> are you sure that's right? |
| 19:33.42 | Nurbs | Zaphar_ps: what are you trying to execute? |
| 19:33.45 | abrotman | !paste |
| 19:33.46 | dpkg | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 19:33.46 | Phated | And god, suid? |
| 19:33.49 | sheeparegreat | does anyone know how to launch Azureus [java app] using a Gnome app launcher button? |
| 19:33.52 | Babbage | There's no such mount option as "users". |
| 19:33.58 | Phated | Babbage: There -is-. |
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| 19:34.13 | Zaphar_ps | suid was a last ditch attempt to get the executables to work |
| 19:34.15 | Phated | man fstab, man mount, it's in one of them. |
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| 19:34.27 | Zaphar_ps | I am trying to launch a compiled application |
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| 19:34.41 | Nurbs | Zaphar_ps: and the error is...? |
| 19:34.42 | Zaphar_ps | I don't usually use suid |
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| 19:34.51 | Babbage | Phated> so there is, you're right |
| 19:34.57 | Zaphar_ps | permissions error |
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| 19:35.11 | Babbage | Zaphar_ps> If you read the manpage for mount it explains that the "users" option implies "noxec". |
| 19:35.19 | Zaphar_ps | ahhhh |
| 19:35.20 | bbrazil | Zaphar_ps: try the users,exec rather than exec,users |
| 19:35.21 | takatumi | Babbage: this is my line :P /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto sync,noauto,user,exec 0 0 |
| 19:35.25 | valdyn | sheeparegreat: just like any other app |
| 19:35.39 | Zaphar_ps | I knew it had to be somthing simple I was missing |
| 19:35.44 | Babbage | takatumi> USB pen drive? |
| 19:35.49 | takatumi | Babbage: yup |
| 19:35.59 | csaba198 | paulswm, nurbs: thx. |
| 19:36.08 | sheeparegreat | it works from the terminal when i type azureus [ it leaves with with a hung terminal untill i quit the app] |
| 19:36.27 | sheeparegreat | but i cant get the app laucher to work :( |
| 19:36.27 | pipeline | BrianAnthony: Yeah. |
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| 19:36.54 | quittt | !aptitude |
| 19:36.54 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 19:37.11 | Zaphar_ps | thanks for the tip guys I'll try that |
| 19:37.14 | marc7 | hey guys, so I've finally seen the light... I don't want to use gentoo on my servers anymore, slackware isn't something I feel thrilled about going back to... so I'm willing to give Debian a shot. are there any great installation or system administrator resources (other than debian.org) that anyone can suggest? |
| 19:37.17 | quittt | !mame |
| 19:37.17 | dpkg | mame is probably ask me about xmame |
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| 19:37.27 | pipeline | sheeparegreat: Create a shell script wrapper. example: http://pastebin.ca/5769 |
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| 19:37.33 | abrotman | marc7: to learn what? |
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| 19:37.43 | abrotman | Diana: fuck off and die |
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| 19:38.00 | BrianAnthony | aaaah. pipeline what did you just say yeah about? I was just nano'ing a file in another console window |
| 19:38.02 | takatumi | abrotman: someone stalking you? |
| 19:38.17 | abrotman | takatumi: you didn't get spammed by Diana and Colonia ? |
| 19:38.24 | takatumi | yeah, just did |
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| 19:38.34 | zombiepacman | hey, can anyone here point me in the right direction for mounting my webserver's home directory on my desktop using ssh/sftp? |
| 19:38.38 | marc7 | specifically security resources... we've compiled grsecurity into our vanilla kernel on gentoo to limit things like process lists and add a little bit of kernel stack smashing protection |
| 19:38.40 | valdyn | sheeparegreat: are you entering the full path to azureus in your starter? |
| 19:38.52 | bbrazil | zombiepacman: shfs |
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| 19:39.24 | marc7 | I'll be playing around with different installers on our development boxes over the next few days... but it's just hardening the operating system for use in a shared hosting environment that i'm most concerned with |
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| 19:39.39 | sheeparegreat | it doesnt work if i put azureus or /usr/bin/azureus |
| 19:39.39 | abrotman | !securing debian |
| 19:39.39 | dpkg | securing debian is probably at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 19:39.40 | zombiepacman | thanks bbrazil, i will look into shfs. |
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| 19:39.59 | abrotman | !ops Diana AND Colonia /msg spamming |
| 19:39.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Diana AND Colonia /msg spamming |
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| 19:40.32 | takatumi | abrotman: /ignore |
| 19:40.37 | ElectricElf | abrotman: What sort of spam? |
| 19:40.40 | abrotman | takatumi: that's great for me ... |
| 19:40.44 | ElectricElf | abrotman: Never mind, got 'em. |
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| 19:40.47 | abrotman | ElectricElf: <Diana> Hi abrotman Join #Albania Ok This Is Good Channels ok abrotman Thank You abrotman |
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| 19:41.00 | abrotman | takatumi: that's not good for all 767 people on the channel |
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| 19:41.02 | sheeparegreat | how does the shell script wrapper work? |
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| 19:41.14 | ElectricElf | ColonelPanic001: Shit, sorry |
| 19:41.18 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 19:41.22 | ElectricElf | ColonelPanic001: Bad tab-complete |
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| 19:41.28 | abrotman | ElectricElf: thank you very much |
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| 19:41.40 | Phated | Well, damn, he got me right before you kicked him. |
| 19:41.50 | oguz | hi |
| 19:41.54 | takatumi | ElectricElf: that wasn't really <tab>'s fault, ColonelPanic001 just got in :) |
| 19:42.02 | ElectricElf | takatumi: Hehe :) |
| 19:42.02 | oguz | i want to learn how can i make my vim in color mode |
| 19:42.09 | oguz | i was trying to write a css |
| 19:42.12 | bbrazil | oguz: :synatx on |
| 19:42.13 | *** mode/#Debian [-o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
| 19:42.16 | ElectricElf | abrotman: Anyhoo, my pleasure |
| 19:42.27 | abrotman | !prize ElectricElf |
| 19:42.31 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:42.40 | marc7 | thanks abrotman.... any other good starting points you'd suggest? I'm sure I should be just coming back here when my questions are more specific... but if debian.org should have all the bases covered... then that more or less answers it. |
| 19:42.42 | oguz | bbrazil, how will i do it |
| 19:43.02 | bbrazil | oguz: type ':syntax on' |
| 19:43.02 | marc7 | man, i'm hella slow at typing today |
| 19:43.02 | oguz | bbrazil, ok i did it |
| 19:43.12 | oguz | bbrazil, thanx |
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| 19:43.21 | bbrazil | oguz: throw that in your .vimrc |
| 19:43.30 | abrotman | marc7: well .. most standard practices apply .. so .. anything you would do for gentoo/slack . shoyuld apply to debian |
| 19:43.34 | quittt | !slackware |
| 19:43.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware |
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| 19:43.54 | marc7 | *nod* sounds good, thanks ;-) |
| 19:43.59 | takatumi | quittt: /msg dpkg help |
| 19:44.03 | oguz | bbrazil, ok |
| 19:44.14 | quittt | takatumi, I know how to use it |
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| 19:44.20 | quittt | bbrazil, hey bbrazil |
| 19:44.37 | rares000 | is there a way to have flash playing on a server via VNC and be able to hear the sound locally? |
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| 19:45.21 | bbrazil | quittt: I've already gone through with you that I'm not brazilian |
| 19:45.26 | arango | What does this message mean: no version for 'struct_module' found. kernel tainted |
| 19:45.31 | afabian | there are some network-enabled sound daemons. never mesed with actually getting it working. |
| 19:45.38 | scarynetworkguy | !esd |
| 19:45.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 19:45.45 | elephantman | How can i try to mount a win share on my debian box ? |
| 19:45.45 | abrotman | arango: your kenrel is dirty!! |
| 19:45.51 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 19:45.51 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 19:45.54 | elephantman | Without manipulating /etc/fstab |
| 19:45.59 | arango | abrotman: In other words ? |
| 19:46.01 | quittt | bbrazil, did I say it? |
| 19:46.04 | elephantman | I mean i quick way to make test |
| 19:46.06 | bbrazil | elephantman: smbclient |
| 19:46.10 | abrotman | !tainted |
| 19:46.10 | dpkg | hmm... tainted is the state of your kernel when non-free modules (e.g. NVdriver) are loaded into it. Kernel hackers will not support tainted kernels. |
| 19:46.10 | PoWeRKiLL | scarynetworkguy I try alien but lot of dependancie failure |
| 19:46.17 | sheeparegreat | to mount a windows share you need to install samba |
| 19:46.18 | paulswm | bbrazil: Heh, that's funny |
| 19:46.22 | takatumi | !abrotman |
| 19:46.22 | dpkg | from memory, abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids |
| 19:46.32 | abrotman | takatumi: i am .. but !sing abrotman is better :) |
| 19:46.40 | PoWeRKiLL | I don't understand HP says that it's support Linux but only Redhat and Suse, why not debian |
| 19:46.40 | sheeparegreat | then mount it using mount -t smbfs //comp/share mountpoint |
| 19:46.50 | takatumi | abrotman: I'll save it for a better occassion. |
| 19:46.56 | bbrazil | quittt: no, but I've gotten rather used to people /msging me in portugese |
| 19:47.03 | abrotman | PoWeRKiLL: they used to install debian on certain blades |
| 19:47.25 | rares000 | scarynetworkguy can it do a reverse connection? |
| 19:47.31 | bbrazil | elephantman: sorry, make that smbmount |
| 19:47.43 | quittt | hahahaha |
| 19:47.46 | rares000 | I can't serve anything from the laptop |
| 19:47.49 | quittt | bbrazil, change the nick |
| 19:47.52 | Babbage | PoWeRKiLL> Debian doesn;t have a normal organisation behind it. HP can talk to RH or Novall ans get them to do things or support h/w. They can't do this with Debian. Nevertheless some HP people actually work on Debian. |
| 19:47.56 | PoWeRKiLL | I have a DL360 and I can't find nothing on the internet to probe cpu temp and other thing |
| 19:47.58 | bbrazil | quittt: its my username |
| 19:48.00 | elephantman | bbrazil: you mean smbclient can't do the job ? |
| 19:48.17 | abrotman | PoWeRKiLL: acpi ? |
| 19:48.20 | bbrazil | elephantman: smbclient is more like a ftp client, smbmount actully makes it part of the filesystem |
| 19:48.21 | afabian | Red Hat and Novell are Linux, as far as big business is concerned, mostly. |
| 19:48.24 | elephantman | I read the doc about smbmount | smbclient but i can't find a clear/simple explanation |
| 19:48.45 | elephantman | bbrazil: thats a clear answer ;) thanx |
| 19:48.47 | bbrazil | elephantman: smbmount '\\servername\sharename' /mount/point |
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| 19:48.50 | sheeparegreat | i cant get gnome to browse samba shares :( |
| 19:49.02 | elephantman | bbrazil: super thanks |
| 19:49.07 | bbrazil | elephantman: you might need a -U username in there if its different to your unix username |
| 19:49.16 | PoWeRKiLL | no just acpi but raid support, currently the raid is hardware but if one of the HD fail I will never know that cause Debian is not talking to the server |
| 19:49.46 | oguz | bbrazil, i couldnt find .vimrc file but i have .viminfo |
| 19:49.58 | bbrazil | oguz: create it then |
| 19:50.04 | abrotman | how does CPU temp relate to RAID ? |
| 19:50.26 | sheeparegreat | do you need any special configuration to get gnome to work with samba? |
| 19:50.27 | oguz | bbrazil, and i will write inside 'syntax on' ? |
| 19:50.37 | bbrazil | oguz: you need the colon |
| 19:50.46 | oguz | bbrazil, ok i am trying |
| 19:50.56 | bbrazil | oguz: that'll turn it on automatically |
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| 19:51.09 | remote_login_nub | does anyone have an idea on a good key to use for ps-print-buffer in cc mode in emacs |
| 19:51.39 | oguz | bbrazil, i did it at my home dir but it didnt work |
| 19:51.49 | PoWeRKiLL | abrotman it's not related I talk about all the function that HP System Health Application and Insight Management Agents give you on RH et Suse dist |
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| 19:51.59 | caphuso | remote_login_nub: C-c <somesingleletter> |
| 19:52.00 | bbrazil | oguz: for new files it can be fickle |
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| 19:52.19 | oguz | bbrazil, ok i will write it when it fickle |
| 19:52.20 | quittt | And I think to myself, what a wonderful code |
| 19:52.24 | paulswm | oguz: There is very good documentation for vim in debian, the HTML version, which is easier to navigate, is the vim-doc package |
| 19:52.29 | abrotman | PoWeRKiLL: try alien is all i can say |
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| 19:52.43 | oguz | paulswm, thanx i will read it |
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| 19:53.03 | oguz | bbrazil, thanx |
| 19:53.16 | paulswm | oguz: It's a lot easier than navigating the help within vim itslef :) |
| 19:53.17 | pipeline | BrianAnthony: In the debconf X configuration, leaving the memory option blank is the same as letting it autodetect it |
| 19:53.22 | jsn | What are my options (if any) for streaming .rm (rtsp) on stable? |
| 19:53.32 | PoWeRKiLL | abrotman what is the distrib that approach more to sarge RH 7.3 , 8 or Entreprise 2.1 or 3 ? |
| 19:54.30 | abrotman | PoWeRKiLL: none of those ... 3 came out 12 months ago i think |
| 19:54.37 | abrotman | PoWeRKiLL: if you want some thing old .. use woody |
| 19:54.41 | Babbage | abrotman> It's a bit of a long shot - cpqhealth is a binary kernel module. |
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| 19:55.32 | ShortWave | Hi all |
| 19:55.35 | abrotman | PoWeRKiLL: you could always write HP an email and bitch and moan |
| 19:55.40 | ShortWave | Where do I look to find SSH config stuff? |
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| 19:55.51 | bbrazil | ShortWave: /etc/ssh |
| 19:56.08 | ShortWave | Ah spiffy |
| 19:56.12 | ShortWave | And config howtos? |
| 19:56.16 | ShortWave | Debian specific? |
| 19:56.21 | bbrazil | should just work |
| 19:56.30 | jsn | dpkg-reconfigure sshd ? |
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| 19:56.58 | TMS | where do you change system language, not keyboard language? |
| 19:57.00 | paulswm | ShortWave: man ssh |
| 19:57.07 | smallfoot- | what you guys think of changing the startup scripts to php? |
| 19:57.08 | elegant | s.a |
| 19:57.09 | bbrazil | only thing to watch is that debian disables x forwrding by default (might have changed on sarge) |
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| 19:57.29 | bbrazil | smallfoot-: why would you want to do that? |
| 19:57.35 | ShortWave | Hrm, don't think i need x forwarding |
| 19:57.47 | jsn | smallfoot-: I think you are crazy. |
| 19:57.50 | smallfoot- | bbrazil, php is alot more powerful than sh, and you could do more complex and better shell scripts |
| 19:57.58 | smallfoot- | jsn, why? |
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| 19:58.15 | caphuso | smallfoot-: that's a complete and utterly braindamaged idea |
| 19:58.16 | smallfoot- | it can call functions, instead of execute programs everytime it want todo something |
| 19:58.21 | TMS | m0n0wall got all their startup scripts in php :P |
| 19:58.21 | bbrazil | smallfoot-: and it'll take forever for php to loa, more hdd space and more cause for failure |
| 19:58.22 | smallfoot- | caphuso, why? |
| 19:58.24 | jsn | smallfoot-: shell has functions |
| 19:58.36 | caphuso | smallfoot-: because you don't have php available at boot time |
| 19:58.36 | bbrazil | also, sh does support functions |
| 19:58.56 | smallfoot- | jsnn, php has alot more functions and wouldnt need to call alot of binaries |
| 19:59.02 | caphuso | smallfoot-: plus, you don't gain anything from php. you still have to execute all those external commands |
| 19:59.06 | caphuso | smallfoot-: nonsense |
| 19:59.09 | jsn | Actually, I think you are a web programmer, rather than a Linux Systems Administrator |
| 19:59.11 | smallfoot- | sh support functions, but doesnt come with any, if you wanna do something, you must execute binaries |
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| 19:59.20 | bbrazil | smallfoot-: and thats its power |
| 19:59.39 | smallfoot- | bbrazil, i think its a weakness, its created huge dependecies |
| 19:59.46 | jsn | smallfoot-: And how small a footprint does php have? (Ironic, eh?) |
| 19:59.52 | smallfoot- | and execute binaries is probably alot slower than calling functions |
| 19:59.53 | bbrazil | smallfoot-: why do you need to do anything beyond kill and fork/exec ? |
| 19:59.53 | caphuso | smallfoot-: what's the name of the builtin php function that starts apache? what's the name of the builtin php function that mounts filesystems? what's the name of the builtin php function that brings up network interfaces? |
| 19:59.56 | Babbage | smallfoot-> Even if it was driven via PHP, 99% of the boot process would still consist of calls to external programs. |
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| 20:00.03 | PoWeRKiLL | abrotman LOL |
| 20:00.13 | smallfoot- | caphuso: system(); |
| 20:00.19 | bbrazil | lol |
| 20:00.20 | jsn | sigh |
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| 20:00.29 | caphuso | smallfoot-: which does what besides calling external commands? |
| 20:00.36 | caphuso | smallfoot-: nothing. nothing at all |
| 20:00.41 | smallfoot- | right |
| 20:00.55 | smallfoot- | but still you could check checksums of file without call external files, you could check file permissions, etc |
| 20:01.20 | jsn | You are a web programmer, right? |
| 20:01.22 | bbrazil | smallfoot-: look at the current scripts, most of them check permissions |
| 20:01.25 | smallfoot- | yes |
| 20:01.38 | jsn | Ever been employed as a UNIX/Linux Systems administrator? |
| 20:01.39 | bbrazil | smallfoot-: also, if permissions change you have bigger problems (i.e. you've been rooted) |
| 20:01.43 | smallfoot- | bbrazil, yes they do, but in php you wouldnt need to call external binaries to check permission |
| 20:01.43 | Babbage | smallfoot-> The boot process doesn;t do a lot of that. And besides, sh also does permissions checks without calling external programs. |
| 20:01.47 | paulswm | Evidently not |
| 20:02.07 | Babbage | $ type [ |
| 20:02.07 | Babbage | [ is a shell builtin |
| 20:02.11 | bbrazil | smallfoot-: neither do you need to in php |
| 20:02.11 | Babbage | See? |
| 20:02.14 | bbrazil | s/php/sh |
| 20:02.27 | TMS | where do you change system language? |
| 20:02.36 | smallfoot- | you cant |
| 20:02.49 | jsn | Anyway, are there any options for rm (rtsp) (C-SPAN radio, specifically) in woody x86? |
| 20:02.50 | quittt | !pico |
| 20:02.50 | dpkg | well, pico is a newbie-friendly editor shipped with pine. As the license is non-free, it is not shipped in Debian. Consider using nano as a free, superior replacement (ask me about 'nano'). pico (p) is also the SI prefix for 10^-12 |
| 20:02.57 | Babbage | TMS> You mean, to get your error messages in French, or something? |
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| 20:03.01 | drac | !joe |
| 20:03.01 | dpkg | The LAST ULTIMATE EDITOR, BETTER THAN ALL |
| 20:03.10 | TMS | Babbage: I have my local language, but I would prefer english |
| 20:03.11 | quittt | !nano |
| 20:03.11 | dpkg | well, nano is at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9, or for old koreans |
| 20:03.13 | omgs | Hi |
| 20:03.20 | caphuso | quittt: /msg the bots |
| 20:03.23 | quittt | joe sux |
| 20:03.26 | Babbage | TMS> for all users, or just you? |
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| 20:03.40 | TMS | Babbage: I havent checked other users |
| 20:03.52 | TMS | but root and my user both have my local language |
| 20:03.52 | omgs | What do you think of this? |
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| 20:04.08 | jsn | TMS: He's asking if you _want_ it for all users, I think. |
| 20:04.14 | smallfoot- | i like pico, but i didnt nkow it wasnt free |
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| 20:04.22 | omgs | www-data 15475 0.0 0.1 1380 568 ? S 20:48 0:00 --bsh |
| 20:04.30 | smallfoot- | i dont know why pico is bundled with pine, so they dont have anything todo with each toher |
| 20:04.39 | Babbage | TMS> use "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to set the language for all users, or for just yourself, set the "LANG" environment variable in your .profile |
| 20:05.11 | smallfoot- | i dont like call external binaries from shell script |
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| 20:05.19 | BrianAnthony | I cannot figure out what is wrong with this |
| 20:05.26 | smallfoot- | and i think if want to code something more than trival, its probably better do it in php or perl |
| 20:05.27 | BrianAnthony | I want to shoot myself in the face |
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| 20:05.37 | z421 | hi |
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| 20:06.00 | bbrazil | smallfoot-: its what shell scripts do. live with it |
| 20:06.01 | TMS | Babbage: with dpkg --configure locales I get "packages locales is already installed and configured" |
| 20:06.07 | BrianAnthony | I just want x to work, and have a good resolution |
| 20:06.08 | quittt | !vim |
| 20:06.08 | dpkg | methinks vim is the only true editor, or does syntax highlighting, has graphical X interface. Extremely popular vi clone that does syntax highlighting or don't forget to get .vimrc file from http://www.vim.org or the best thing since sliced bread, an editor that rocks your socks!!!, or something very cool, said because we need to have as long a block of text as the emacs factoid |
| 20:06.16 | jsn | dpkg-reconfigure locales ... |
| 20:06.17 | BrianAnthony | but it won't :( |
| 20:06.19 | Babbage | TMS> Yes, but you didn;t type what I wrote :) |
| 20:06.22 | ShortWave | Bah |
| 20:06.26 | Cheetah | hey |
| 20:06.35 | ambycrao | how do i get a soundblaster live! soundcard to work ? i tried apt-get install alsa-source and choose emu10k1, but i still dont work |
| 20:06.35 | ShortWave | editor proselytizing |
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| 20:06.38 | TMS | Babbage: your command didnt return anything, so I assumed it was --configure |
| 20:06.47 | jsn | ShortWave: Ot |
| 20:07.00 | paulswm | quittt: Is there something which you don't understand about "/msg the bots'? |
| 20:07.01 | jsn | ShortWave: Heh, typo. Good enough. |
| 20:07.03 | TMS | Babbage: no wait, got it |
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| 20:07.11 | Cheetah | what is the best solution for monitoring a lot of hosts/servers and their health remotely? |
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| 20:07.17 | ShortWave | ot? |
| 20:07.19 | yacoob | uh. |
| 20:07.25 | yacoob | php4 incomplete in current unstable? |
| 20:07.36 | quittt | paulswm, woops |
| 20:07.40 | Devi0s1 | so, for the record - I fixed my psybnc with ssl on debian problem.... freaking openssl package for deb doesn't put the openssl binary at /usr/lib/ssl/bin/openssl, but installs openssl to /usr/lib/ssl |
| 20:07.44 | paulswm | quittt: :) |
| 20:07.48 | jsn | ShortWave: Was going to type something like "Yeah, and it isn't always for vim." But then I thought OT was much more official of me to say. |
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| 20:08.10 | takatumi | Devi0s1: so that means you get to go home now? |
| 20:08.15 | ShortWave | jsn: heh |
| 20:08.22 | Babbage | TMS> or use "dpkg-reconfigure -f dialog locales" |
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| 20:08.49 | ShortWave | I gotta mount my apt cache directory |
| 20:08.52 | TMS | Babbage: thanks, it worked. *writes a note* |
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| 20:08.59 | yacoob | php4 has version 4:4.3.10-4, but I do not see php4-common |
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| 20:10.05 | caphuso | time sudo php -r 'echo "mounting filesystems..."; system("mount -a"); echo "done\n";' gives: sudo php -r 0.03s user 0.01s system 56% cpu 0.065 total |
| 20:10.18 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:10.26 | caphuso | 0.00s user 0.01s system 81% cpu 0.016 total |
| 20:10.51 | Babbage | caphuso> Was that because the filesystems were all already mounted the second time? :) |
| 20:10.55 | ShortWave | christ I'm a weirdo |
| 20:11.01 | caphuso | Babbage: no, they were already mounted both times |
| 20:11.10 | ShortWave | I keep my apt cache in a loop filesystem that lives on a network mounted drive. |
| 20:11.22 | ShortWave | I should upgrade my harddrive yeah? |
| 20:11.31 | caphuso | Babbage: it's the overhead of starting the "bloated" php interpreter vs. "lean" bash |
| 20:11.39 | Babbage | ShortWave> I bought a 120Gb disk yesterday |
| 20:11.44 | caphuso | smallfoot-: did you see those numbers? |
| 20:11.47 | ShortWave | php is bloated? |
| 20:11.54 | Babbage | Bash is lean? |
| 20:11.56 | ShortWave | When did bash get native database clients? |
| 20:12.03 | jsn | Not to mention that php itself changes very frequently, at least compared to sh. |
| 20:12.08 | Babbage | ShortWave> s/get/need/ |
| 20:12.23 | jsn | and is relatively buggy |
| 20:12.34 | yacoob | *growl* no -3 php4 package, no -4 php4-common package. Kinky ;) |
| 20:12.40 | ShortWave | Babbage: heh, that being the point of course. |
| 20:12.42 | restrex | huyz I've been days trying to compile gnome by garmone. I finished build garnome. but when I startx, I only see the splashscreen and then.. the server x crashes.. this error appears me: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/garnome-list/2004-March/msg00166.html :((( thanks guyz |
| 20:12.46 | ShortWave | I've never thought PHP was bloated. |
| 20:12.48 | Babbage | The main problem with having PHP boot the system for you is all the dependencies you need to have right to get PHP to work |
| 20:13.00 | ShortWave | since, ya know, you can build it yourself and only include what you want/need. |
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| 20:13.46 | paulswm | Babbage: Not to mention blowing all *nix standards out of the water |
| 20:13.50 | ShortWave | gah |
| 20:13.52 | jsn | So, is asking about rm (rtsp) for C-SPAN Radio some sort of auto-ignore question or something? |
| 20:13.58 | ShortWave | I've forgotten where I'm supposed to mount this stuff |
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| 20:14.05 | finx | s |
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| 20:14.10 | caphuso | why did i bother putting the quotation marks around both bloated and mean? i should have known that some cluebies would ignore them... |
| 20:14.16 | glasyabolas | hi ppl |
| 20:14.22 | glasyabolas | need some info |
| 20:14.27 | Babbage | paulswm> Not necessarily. You could implement the required stuff in PHP. Don't forget that POSIX specifically avoids specifying any systems administration stuff. |
| 20:14.32 | nick242 | How fast is dedicated 6Mbits? |
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| 20:14.34 | caphuso | smallfoot-: no comments on that benchmark? |
| 20:14.36 | glasyabolas | what is the java pack that i need to run azureus |
| 20:14.40 | paulswm | Babbage: True. |
| 20:14.40 | Babbage | !tell glasyabolas about asking |
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| 20:14.49 | Rawplayer | how can i calculate a ip into hex? |
| 20:14.52 | stew | nick242: its about 6Mbits |
| 20:15.00 | Rawplayer | to make PTR |
| 20:15.17 | scarynetworkguy | Rawplayer: You could run it through sipcalc |
| 20:15.17 | bbrazil | ipcalc |
| 20:15.19 | nick242 | stew: is that the equivalent of 6 T1s |
| 20:15.23 | idnar | PTR records aren't in hex |
| 20:15.25 | Babbage | Rawplayer> Doesn't need to be hex fot a PTR record |
| 20:15.29 | scarynetworkguy | and/or learn how to do the math. |
| 20:15.38 | bbrazil | idnar: I think ipv6 are |
| 20:15.38 | Rawplayer | Babbage: i know |
| 20:15.45 | idnar | bbrazil: oh, well, yeah |
| 20:15.53 | idnar | bbrazil: but IPv6 addresses are written in hex anyway |
| 20:15.56 | paulswm | Rawplayer: or bc with ibase=10 and obase=16 |
| 20:16.03 | bbrazil | idnar: true |
| 20:16.09 | stew | nick242: 4 t1s |
| 20:16.11 | Babbage | ibase=10 is the default of course. |
| 20:16.18 | bbrazil | idnar: although there is an RFC that proposes different :) |
| 20:16.23 | paulswm | Of course |
| 20:16.24 | Babbage | And obase is always 10 if you print it :) |
| 20:16.29 | idnar | bbrazil: oh god |
| 20:16.33 | valdyn | glasyabolas: you need java-package and create a java deb with that tool |
| 20:16.36 | bbrazil | idnar: afj |
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| 20:16.55 | jsn | What are my options (if any) for streaming .rm (rtsp) on stable? |
| 20:17.04 | jsn | (audio only) |
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| 20:17.32 | glasyabolas | ok i have to do a apt-get install java-package |
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| 20:17.58 | nick242 | stew: Is this a good setup for a 22U rack: Dedicated 6Mbits of bandwidth (fully burstable)? I mean is that good traffic? |
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| 20:18.15 | takatumi | jsn: tried /msg dpkg realplayer ? |
| 20:18.20 | jetx | hey why do, or do i have to, have an MTA installed |
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| 20:18.27 | TheAsp | damn |
| 20:18.35 | TheAsp | thats 1 sick ascii piechart |
| 20:18.42 | bbrazil | jetx: so cron can send mail |
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| 20:19.21 | yacoob | jetx: various daemouns, cron for example communicate via mail |
| 20:19.21 | stew | nick242: that *very much* depends on how much traffic its going to get. burstable to what? 6Mbits is what the 95th percentile? |
| 20:19.21 | jsn | Thx, takatumi |
| 20:19.21 | jetx | alrighty then... thanks. |
| 20:19.21 | yacoob | plargh, s/daemoun/daemon/ |
| 20:19.21 | Babbage | jetx> to make sure the M gets T'd. |
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| 20:19.32 | jetx | t'd? (ticked?) |
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| 20:19.54 | yacoob | transferred |
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| 20:20.13 | takatumi | load: 0.0, 0.00, 0.00 |
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| 20:20.39 | jetx | another thing... i purged exim4 and reinstalled exim, but exim doesn't seem to load, on boot or anything. anybody have a clue? |
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| 20:20.58 | jsn | RealPlayer 10 depends on libstdc++.5, and stable only has 3. Am I missing something? |
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| 20:21.21 | takatumi | jsn: is this a server? |
| 20:21.28 | zinx | jsn: woody is quite old :/ |
| 20:21.32 | jetx | oh, and i don't have to have an MTA installed on all 3 local boxes, couldn't i just have one and have the other 2 boxes use it? |
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| 20:22.05 | jetx | s/local boxes/local boxes do i/ |
| 20:22.14 | jsn | takatumi: My laptop smashed last night. Yeah, this is a server. |
| 20:22.22 | ali7288 | anyone have a good guide on how to set up gmail in evolution? |
| 20:22.24 | Davidcc6 | hi ppl, i have a little problem, i hope any can help me. i use xfce4.2 and one of my users lost the opcion Debian of the menu, is the second time the i see this, and the conf is the same in all the users |
| 20:22.30 | Davidcc6 | what can i do? |
| 20:22.37 | stew | jetx: no every box needs an mta |
| 20:22.43 | bbrazil | jetx: try nullmailer |
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| 20:22.49 | jetx | stew, seems kinda silly but ok |
| 20:23.15 | takatumi | jsn: if it's just home use, probably upgrade to sarge. /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:23.15 | paulproteus | ali7288: All you can use for Gmail in Evolution is POP3. |
| 20:23.15 | Rawplayer | paulswm: erm how does that work?:P |
| 20:23.15 | paulproteus | Their instructions, plus creating a basic POP3 account, is what you should do. |
| 20:23.15 | paulproteus | I don't know of a guide for this in particular. |
| 20:23.21 | jetx | bbrazil k will do one day maybe |
| 20:23.34 | sheeparegreat | if a program is started by a shell script how can i get it to launch with a gome applet? i cant get it working. thanks in advance |
| 20:23.35 | Babbage | I'm off to cook dinner. |
| 20:23.37 | Babbage | Bye |
| 20:23.47 | jetx | thanks, back to hacking my box |
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| 20:24.03 | paulswm | Rawplayer: How does what work? |
| 20:24.12 | jsn | takatumi: It's on the web, it gets hits daily. I hope not to have to go to testing. |
| 20:24.23 | ambycrao | how do i get a soundblaster live! soundcard to work ? i tried apt-get install alsa-source and choose emu10k1, but i still dont work |
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| 20:24.42 | scarynetworkguy | !tell ambycrao about smart questions |
| 20:24.54 | vulture | ambycrao: snd-emu10k1 and what scarynetworkguy/dpkg told you |
| 20:24.57 | glasyabolas | ok ppl im downloading the rpm of the java 2 |
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| 20:25.17 | vulture | glasyabolas: how wonderful.. me, I'd download the binary and use make-jpkg instead |
| 20:25.20 | glasyabolas | to install rpm, i need a tool? |
| 20:25.31 | BeBoo | Can fonts make the graphics in X really really slow? |
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| 20:26.04 | valdyn | glasyabolas: youre supposed to READ THE DOCS of java-package |
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| 20:26.17 | glasyabolas | etto |
| 20:26.20 | paulproteus | Has anyone here set up a Kerberos realm with pam_krb5 for authentication? |
| 20:26.26 | glasyabolas | thats what im doing |
| 20:26.37 | glasyabolas | ^^ |
| 20:26.47 | paulproteus | I have a krb5 setup where kinit and klist work, but where pam_krb5 doesn't let anyone in. |
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| 20:26.53 | stew | glasyabolas: are you reading docs that are telling you to download an rpm? |
| 20:27.09 | Thaiger | If I attach a CFS volume, but forogot to detach it before I rebooted, could that corrupt it? |
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| 20:27.22 | paulproteus | Thaiger: CFS? |
| 20:27.27 | TheAsp | paulproteus: how are your common-* files formatted? |
| 20:27.37 | Thaiger | paulproteus: Cryptographic File System |
| 20:27.37 | abrotman | CIFS? |
| 20:27.51 | paulproteus | TheAsp: I tried every which way I could. |
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| 20:28.12 | xinns | hello PPL |
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| 20:28.12 | Zvpun | On my machine, some files take very very long to print, does anybody know a solution to that? I use Cups and have a Lexmark E232 connected via USB. |
| 20:28.13 | Garp | Hi. |
| 20:28.16 | abrotman | !ppl |
| 20:28.17 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 20:28.21 | paulproteus | Really, what I want is a recommendation on how to set up the pam files, TheAsp. |
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| 20:29.04 | marc7 | *laugh* |
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| 20:29.09 | marc7 | that was awesome |
| 20:29.13 | glasyabolas | stew i dont know haw to install a binary |
| 20:29.16 | glasyabolas | :S |
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| 20:29.23 | stew | glasyabolas: which binary? |
| 20:29.23 | glasyabolas | *how |
| 20:29.33 | xinns | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 20:29.37 | xinns | deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 20:29.37 | xinns | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:29.37 | xinns | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:29.37 | xinns | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:29.37 | glasyabolas | binary of java 2 |
| 20:29.38 | valdyn | !java-package |
| 20:29.38 | dpkg | java-package is, like, the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package). only in sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in sarge. Grab sun-j2re1.5debian and similar from sid, too. |
| 20:29.51 | stew | glasyabolas: you said you were reading the java-package docs, right? |
| 20:30.02 | glasyabolas | yea |
| 20:30.09 | Garp | Question: I'm trying to setup lm_sensor. I ran sensor-detect, that gave me some module to load and such. But when I do "sensor" it tells me "No sensors found!". Any idea ? Thanks. |
| 20:30.12 | stew | glasyabolas: are you using woody or sarge? |
| 20:30.24 | TheAsp | paulproteus: lemme dig up a url |
| 20:30.25 | glasyabolas | i cant install de java2 via apt? |
| 20:30.30 | glasyabolas | sarge |
| 20:30.44 | chealer | Garp: did you load the modules? |
| 20:30.46 | paulproteus | TheAsp: Thanks :) |
| 20:30.52 | stew | glasyabolas: on sarge you can use java-package |
| 20:30.55 | Garp | chealer : yes, they are loaded. |
| 20:31.00 | TheAsp | paulproteus: http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/scl_user_info/debian.html |
| 20:31.08 | vulture | glasyabolas: no, you can install it via dpkg, after creating a deb from one of Sun's binaries using make-jpkg/java-package |
| 20:31.18 | glasyabolas | ok apt-get install java-package |
| 20:31.22 | TheAsp | paulproteus: sorta like that |
| 20:31.26 | valdyn | glasyabolas: install a *.deb file is done via "dpkg -i <debfile>" |
| 20:31.44 | stew | glasyabolas: or /msg dpkg get-blackdown ; java isn't part of debian becuase its non-free |
| 20:31.47 | Garp | chealer: sorry. |
| 20:31.51 | TheAsp | paulproteus: going to use afs? |
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| 20:32.01 | glasyabolas | ok let me try to download the binary and make a .deb |
| 20:32.01 | paulproteus | TheAsp: Don't plan to. |
| 20:32.05 | frosh68 | hi all |
| 20:32.06 | Flimzy | For a contact with multiple accounts in GAIM, how do I specify the prefered order of importance? |
| 20:32.08 | paulproteus | I used it at home for a while, and it's too bulky. |
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| 20:32.12 | Garp | (OK, I leave pitily...) |
| 20:32.15 | valdyn | i fear blackdown might be to old for azureus - not sure |
| 20:32.17 | TheAsp | paulproteus: if not, there is another module you should use instead of pam_openafs_session.so... i forget what it's called. just basically allows access |
| 20:32.33 | TheAsp | paulproteus: you cant use sufficient because of the way the common-* files work |
| 20:32.34 | Garp | Thanks anyway. |
| 20:32.43 | TheAsp | paulproteus: so you need to use that [] junk |
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| 20:33.02 | chealer | Flimzy: good question, but #gaim will know better |
| 20:33.16 | paulproteus | TheAsp: The fact that you have to put all your data in a separate partition makes things hard, it seems. |
| 20:33.19 | TheAsp | paulproteus: i think it's pam_access.so, but i'm not sure |
| 20:33.24 | TheAsp | paulproteus: hmm? |
| 20:33.33 | sheeparegreat | is there anyway to refresh gnome menus after installing without logging in and out? |
| 20:33.34 | paulproteus | Otherwise, I like AFS; but it makes things inflexible if you have a limited number of servers. |
| 20:33.41 | TheAsp | paulproteus: ohh |
| 20:33.43 | paulproteus | TheAsp: I'm talking about /vicepa in AFS. |
| 20:33.52 | stew | glasyabolas: you are doing this to install azureus? |
| 20:34.00 | TheAsp | paulproteus: you can mount a loopback fs for that |
| 20:35.18 | paulproteus | TheAsp: Right, I guess so. |
| 20:35.44 | paulproteus | I had some problems with it earlier, but that was on a small server I was using at home. |
| 20:35.48 | jsn | O |
| 20:35.49 | abrotman | sheeparegreat: update-menu ? |
| 20:35.51 | leonel | how safe is to use the php4 and squirrelmail that is on woody ? |
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| 20:36.03 | paulproteus | leonel: They'll be security-patched when there's problems. |
| 20:36.09 | stew | leonel: very safe |
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| 20:36.11 | jsn | I'm following the instructions from dpkg re: moving to testing. What is the aptitude command for dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:36.21 | TheAsp | paulproteus: did you make the host/ key and put it in the keytab? |
| 20:36.21 | jvw | leonel: php4 wasn't vulnerable really, and squirrelmail has been patched |
| 20:36.28 | frosh68 | sound related question: why do i not have a /dev/sequencer device? where shoudl it come from? how do i get it? |
| 20:36.37 | jvw | leonel: (to the latest known issues, that is) |
| 20:36.46 | glasyabolas | stew do what? |
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| 20:36.54 | paulproteus | TheAsp: I'm not quite sure what that means. Is that for each of the clients? |
| 20:37.03 | leonel | paulproteus, Stew, jvw so as safe as the las release for both packages ? |
| 20:37.04 | paulproteus | I've been having lots of trouble with the keytabs, really. |
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| 20:37.14 | jvw | leonel: yeah, as safe as that, yes |
| 20:37.17 | paulproteus | leonel: Yeah. |
| 20:37.19 | takatumi | !water |
| 20:37.20 | dpkg | methinks water is a good drink, if you're poor... |
| 20:37.20 | leonel | paulproteus, Stew, jvw i mean safe not new features |
| 20:37.24 | glasyabolas | if is othe way to make work azureus |
| 20:37.30 | leonel | paulproteus, Stew, jvw THANK YOU ! |
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| 20:37.48 | takatumi | leonel: "stew" |
| 20:37.54 | frosh68 | water is a good drink anytime |
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| 20:38.00 | stew | glasyabolas: valdyn mentioned azureus, i was wondering if you were trying to get java installed to get azureus working |
| 20:38.01 | a_monkey | i can't seem to configure my system so that i can print via my deskjet 895Cxi. can somebody help? |
| 20:38.01 | TheAsp | paulproteus: yeah, each client needs a key |
| 20:38.09 | stew | takatumi: hows it going? |
| 20:38.22 | glasyabolas | yeap :) |
| 20:38.24 | takatumi | stew: doin' fine ;) |
| 20:38.44 | paulproteus | TheAsp: Okay. So let's say my server is centaur.acm.jhu.edu. |
| 20:38.52 | paulproteus | I SSH into centaur, add the key, and then export it to a file. |
| 20:38.54 | stew | glasyabolas: why not just use the "bittorrent" or "bittornado" packages, it would be a lot simpler for you |
| 20:39.03 | frosh68 | sound related question: why do i not have a /dev/sequencer device? where shoudl it come from? how do i get it? |
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| 20:39.11 | paulproteus | I scp that file to typhon.acm.jhu.edu , the host whose key I just added, and put the keytab file where? |
| 20:39.11 | chealer | !tell frosh68 about repeat |
| 20:39.16 | bob2 | frosh68: because your sound card doesn't do MIDI |
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| 20:39.19 | paulproteus | /etc/krb5.keytab ? |
| 20:39.19 | bob2 | setup timidity |
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| 20:39.54 | frosh68 | sorry for getting on your nerves people! really! |
| 20:39.56 | glasyabolas | ok if i install bittornado |
| 20:39.57 | TheAsp | paulproteus: no |
| 20:40.09 | paulproteus | TheAsp: Okay. So please correct me. :) |
| 20:40.10 | TheAsp | paulproteus: run kadmin on the machine, then ktadd it's key |
| 20:40.14 | glasyabolas | haw do i run it |
| 20:40.20 | frosh68 | bob2: will that produce the needed device? |
| 20:40.35 | stew | glasyabolas: "btdownloadcurses /path/to/torrentfile" |
| 20:40.36 | abrotman | !tell frosh68 about sequencer |
| 20:40.37 | bob2 | no |
| 20:40.41 | chealer | a_monkey: depending on your problem |
| 20:40.41 | bob2 | or maybe it does |
| 20:40.44 | takatumi | glasyabolas: the RPIA and the MPA and the RSPCA are gonna get ya. :P |
| 20:40.46 | bob2 | I didn't think anyone used midi anymore |
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| 20:40.55 | abrotman | bob2: oh yeah .. all the cool kids :) |
| 20:40.57 | gilles | what are the the packages needed to use a wifi pc card ? |
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| 20:41.06 | bob2 | bah |
| 20:41.12 | bob2 | everyone should just use windows |
| 20:41.18 | OleMoudi | is there any frontend for managing cron? |
| 20:41.23 | abrotman | vi ? |
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| 20:41.34 | OleMoudi | I meant with gui |
| 20:41.38 | gilles | like the package for iwconfig ? |
| 20:41.39 | OleMoudi | something friendly |
| 20:41.46 | chealer | OleMoudi: webmin has :| |
| 20:41.46 | bob2 | gilles: /msg dpkg search iwconfig |
| 20:41.49 | jsn | bob2: I use windows most every day. I usually check to see if the mailman has come through a window, and I observe the icicles. |
| 20:41.50 | glasyabolas | jajajaja yea i know about the lokitorrent |
| 20:41.51 | chealer | frosh68: not for me |
| 20:41.53 | glasyabolas | :D |
| 20:41.54 | stew | OleMoudi: as it turns out there arent any graphics in crontabs |
| 20:41.56 | darkskiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.06 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 20:42.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 20:42.12 | darkskiez | its simpler to use for quick jobs |
| 20:42.13 | frosh68 | bob2: what do they use today? the last time i did electronic music i used an atari st and had a roland d20 synth ;-) |
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| 20:42.24 | ugexe | where is the debian eqiv of rc.conf at |
| 20:42.25 | TheAsp | hahah |
| 20:42.26 | bbrazil | OleMoudi: kcron |
| 20:42.31 | gilles | bob2: it doesn't work |
| 20:42.37 | glasyabolas | and i only unse bittorrent to download distros :p |
| 20:42.38 | bob2 | gilles: yes, t does |
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| 20:42.42 | abrotman | frosh68: you could may be look at BEAST .. i'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do |
| 20:42.43 | bob2 | !+search iwconfig |
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| 20:42.46 | chealer | hehe, at least I'm not alone who thinks of webmin this way |
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| 20:43.04 | OleMoudi | bbrazil, thks |
| 20:43.09 | jsn | ugexe: The scripts are all under /etc/init.d /etc/rcX.d (x=number) are for each run level. 2 is default. You can make your own rc.local, if you'd like |
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| 20:43.23 | frosh68 | abrotman: first i' d like to play some of those old midi files i have from the "old days" |
| 20:43.47 | takatumi | glasyabolas: with the business card iso, all you need is ~35MB |
| 20:43.50 | abrotman | frosh68: hrm .. not sure .. MIDI is very old .. rarely used now |
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| 20:44.04 | abrotman | !tell frosh68 about midi |
| 20:44.07 | aokaze | question: How well does Debian work as a web server and a mail server? |
| 20:44.25 | stew | aokaze: wonderously well |
| 20:44.29 | jsn | aokaze: that's basically what it can do best. |
| 20:44.45 | abrotman | that's not quite true |
| 20:44.48 | takatumi | !tell aokaze -about why debian |
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| 20:45.19 | frosh68 | abrotman: but then: what is the standard for playing music from a computer using external synths? |
| 20:45.27 | stew | frosh68: macos |
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| 20:45.51 | abrotman | frosh68: no idea .. that's why there's a website for it :) |
| 20:45.56 | frosh68 | now someone will probably say !tell frosh ... about macos :-) (grin) |
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| 20:46.10 | leonel | <takatumi> leonel: "stew" ? |
| 20:46.20 | jsn | Is anything _required_ under /usr/share/doc ? This machine has almost no hard disk space (73% now) and I was looking for some quick ways to free a half-gig. |
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| 20:46.26 | takatumi | leonel: never mind :) |
| 20:46.32 | leonel | I mind |
| 20:46.33 | bob2 | jsn: you can nuke it |
| 20:46.34 | ugexe | jsn: hmmm well I guess I need to edit a conf file for rc though... i need to add KEYMAP="-u de-latin1" |
| 20:46.38 | Demon` | how do I enable Hebrew support on KDE? |
| 20:46.45 | jsn | bob2: thx |
| 20:46.47 | bob2 | Demon`: #debian-kde |
| 20:46.55 | cat | Demon`: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:46.58 | takatumi | leonel: if you do mind, it's stew and not Stew. |
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| 20:47.07 | jsn | ugexe: If that's what you want, oh, how about /etc/bashrc ? |
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| 20:47.17 | aokaze | Would Debian stable or testing be better for webserver. I know stable is behind a bit but I never seen problems with testing yet but I never run testing as a web or mail server |
| 20:47.18 | Garp | Hi again. |
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| 20:47.22 | frosh68 | bob2, stew, abrotman: thanx for helping! |
| 20:47.25 | xinns | ...:s |
| 20:47.31 | leonel | takatumi: I did't see his complains |
| 20:47.31 | bob2 | sorry I had no actual advice to give |
| 20:47.42 | bob2 | aokaze: sarge doesn't have security support yet |
| 20:47.52 | ugexe | jsn: i need my keyboard setup for x changed not for terminals though |
| 20:47.54 | jsn | aokaze: This machine was stable (until right now) and I am only upgrading because my laptop died last night. stable for webserver and mailserver. |
| 20:47.54 | stew | aokaze: testing doesn't get security updates which makes it unfit for internet facing servers |
| 20:48.05 | ugexe | jsn: i mean it already works fine for terminals |
| 20:48.14 | frosh68 | bob2: well, you answered and you probably correctly said my sound card doesnt do MIDI! thanx anyway |
| 20:48.21 | bbrazil | jsn: just a guess, apt-get autoclean |
| 20:48.25 | Garp | Question (another): I read the man page for /proc, I cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr, I got "3425 0 44085" The middle number shouldnt be the "number of free handlers" ? Why zero then ? (kernel 2.6.8-2-k7) |
| 20:48.27 | jsn | ugexe: Hmm. If that's what you really want, you'll have to ask someone else :) |
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| 20:48.38 | Garp | Thanks. |
| 20:48.45 | jsn | bbrazil: I'll do that, thx. |
| 20:48.46 | aokaze | Isnt stable on 2.4 kernel still? |
| 20:48.52 | aokaze | or is it 2.6 now |
| 20:49.00 | lobomufas | hi |
| 20:49.02 | jsn | 2.4 |
| 20:49.08 | stew | aokaze: 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 |
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| 20:49.16 | macondo | jsn: run deborphan |
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| 20:49.35 | bbrazil | jsn: there's also apt-get clean if you need to squeeze a bit more |
| 20:49.38 | aokaze | wouldnt that be a problem? |
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| 20:49.44 | caphuso | aokaze: uh, no |
| 20:49.52 | glasyabolas | ok i have the bynary of java here |
| 20:49.55 | jsn | macondo: What I ought to do is add a function to apt-get, so apt-get --with-depends remove package offers to remove everything that only depends on package |
| 20:50.05 | leonel | paulproteus, stew, jvw How about kernel 2.4.18 is it safe ? |
| 20:50.10 | aokaze | kk. sorry about all the questions. just wanting to make sure of things |
| 20:50.12 | caphuso | jsn: it's called aptitude |
| 20:50.13 | TheAsp | jsn: they call that deborpahn |
| 20:50.13 | glasyabolas | now what to i have to to to make the binary in .deb |
| 20:50.17 | bbrazil | jsn: try aptitude |
| 20:50.25 | valdyn | glasyabolas: make-jpkg <binary> |
| 20:50.33 | stew | leonel: if you get it from security.debian.org its safe, security patches are always backported to stable |
| 20:50.34 | jsn | I am using aptitude now, for the first time, because DWN told dpkg to tell me to. |
| 20:50.39 | valdyn | glasyabolas: and you never read the docs.. |
| 20:50.48 | bbrazil | jsn: and to complete the suggestions, there's also debfoster |
| 20:50.58 | gilles | ihave a TRENDnet wifi pc card, where can i get a driver to make it work on linux ? |
| 20:51.11 | glasyabolas | please just this time |
| 20:51.15 | caphuso | gilles: what chip does it use? |
| 20:51.17 | glasyabolas | :) |
| 20:51.24 | macondo | jsn: dpkg --purge package, then run deborphan mayb debfoster |
| 20:51.26 | glasyabolas | ^^ |
| 20:51.35 | jsn | I knew purge :) |
| 20:51.47 | macondo | jsn and finally apt-get clean |
| 20:51.50 | jsn | Yikes, 77% |
| 20:52.04 | gilles | caphuso: i don't know, will lspci help... 0000:03:00.0 Network controller: Linksys ADMtek ADM8211 802.11b Wireless Interface (rev 11) |
| 20:52.09 | jsn | but aptitude is running _now_, so i may simply have to blow away /usr/share/doc |
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| 20:52.17 | macondo | jsn: localepurge will knock off 40 MB |
| 20:52.19 | leonel | stew it's because the last security for 2.4.18 was on 01 dec 2003 |
| 20:52.19 | bbrazil | jsn: one of my favourite commands: du -sh * apply it recursivley |
| 20:52.29 | stew | leonel: not in debian |
| 20:52.52 | jsn | bbrazil: Me, too. if that's --human-readable and --summarize |
| 20:53.05 | jetscreamer | fuckin nfs is a bitch |
| 20:53.07 | jetscreamer | thought it was df -h |
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| 20:53.10 | caphuso | gilles: yeah, that's the info you need. google for "linux adm8211" or so and look if you find something useful |
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| 20:53.14 | jetscreamer | does that work for du too? |
| 20:53.18 | jvw | stew: well, there is a problem with the kernel updates afaik |
| 20:53.21 | bbrazil | jsn: yip, du -s | sort -n is also useful |
| 20:53.34 | leonel | stew www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-403 and there's been bugs that i cant confirm if 2.4.18 is patched |
| 20:53.37 | jsn | I think I wrote a half assed sort for du's -h |
| 20:53.41 | stew | jvw: oh? whats that? |
| 20:53.41 | frem | Hey, I'm using a hdinstall of knoppix, and I want to remove all the locales except for us english. Anyone know how to do this? I asked in #knoppix, but everyone's asleep in there. |
| 20:53.49 | jsn | jetscreamer: I know it works for du. df is probably news to me |
| 20:53.51 | stew | leonel: ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/k/ |
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| 20:53.58 | bbrazil | df also supports -h |
| 20:54.11 | jvw | stew: well, no kernel DSA yet while there were several issues discovered at the beginning of this year |
| 20:54.14 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && /part #debian && /join #kanotix |
| 20:54.32 | leonel | stew so from april 2004 ? |
| 20:54.35 | bob2 | frem: #knoppix is the place to ask |
| 20:54.44 | abrotman | jvw: but do they affect 2.4.18 ? |
| 20:54.45 | bob2 | it is a shame if your distro of choice has poor support |
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| 20:55.04 | stew | leonel: yes. on woody however you can always compile a newer 2.4 kernel from source |
| 20:55.06 | jvw | abrotman: it seems they do, I've got no authorative info though |
| 20:55.30 | frem | bob2, I'm only running knoppix because debian sarge runs too slowly for me and i don't know how to recomopile the kernel yet. |
| 20:55.34 | cat | oh boy |
| 20:55.38 | bob2 | frem: er |
| 20:55.42 | leonel | stew yes i can but I think is debian security team to solve those bugs or not ? |
| 20:55.43 | jsn | It's a shame if your laptop of yesterday has weak hinges and the screen basically comes off when it tumbles to the ground. |
| 20:55.47 | bob2 | frem: I'd be impressed if that was the case |
| 20:55.49 | jetscreamer | frem i told you how. missed it? oh well. |
| 20:55.54 | bob2 | assuming it's not a dma thing or something |
| 20:55.59 | bob2 | but anyway, not a debian problem |
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| 20:56.12 | abrotman | jvw: well .. maybe get some before saying stuff like that ? |
| 20:56.31 | frem | jetscreamer: no, I didn't miss it. I was just replying to bob2 |
| 20:56.32 | stew | jvw: so what happened to the "we won't hide our problems" bit? |
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| 20:56.48 | stew | leonel: i'm not sure i understood that |
| 20:56.52 | Fenriz | alguem pode me ajudar? |
| 20:57.00 | chealer | abrotman: I'm pretty sure woody 2.4.18 kernel images are unsafe, unless that was fixed very recently |
| 20:57.09 | Fenriz | algum brasileiro pode me ajudar? |
| 20:57.16 | chealer | !br |
| 20:57.16 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:57.37 | jvw | stew: security issues are often under embargo temporarily -- but as I said, I'm not 100% sure |
| 20:57.45 | abrotman | chealer: you could ask #-kernel ? |
| 20:57.53 | leonel | stew: there has been bugs on kernel 2.4 and the last debian kernel was on april 2004 what about the new bugs that where solved with 2.4.28 and 2.4.29 |
| 20:58.14 | chealer | abrotman: hum not really, I'm not a kernel guy ;) |
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| 20:58.29 | chealer | leonel: that's the idea |
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| 20:58.31 | jvw | I heard there were API change issues that complicated and delayed the woody updates |
| 20:58.44 | abrotman | chealer: ok |
| 20:58.50 | jvw | as they break some other stuff |
| 20:58.59 | leonel | chealer: what was the idea to release 2.4.28 and 2.4.29 for woody ? |
| 20:59.07 | leonel | chealer: if so where can I get those ? |
| 20:59.10 | jvw | leonel: no, backport |
| 20:59.23 | stew | leonel: new packages will *never be released for woody |
| 20:59.32 | leonel | stew I know |
| 20:59.32 | jvw | but, you can usually compile your own 2.4.* kernel if you're not using weird self-made modules etc |
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| 20:59.58 | jvw | 2.6.* won't work though, but 2.4.* generally will |
| 21:00.05 | Garp | (bebye) |
| 21:00.07 | gilles | i have the following error message when trying to compile a driver for my new wifi card : debian:/usr/src/adm8211# make |
| 21:00.07 | gilles | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10/build M=/usr/src/adm8211 modules |
| 21:00.11 | gilles | what may i do ? |
| 21:00.14 | leonel | stew but I think debian security should release 2.4.18 patched til 2.4.29 bugs solved am I wrong ? |
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| 21:00.48 | stew | leonel: if there are known issues with the current debian version fo 2.4.18, then yes, the security team should be patching them |
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| 21:00.55 | leonel | jvw: I am compiling my kernels but I need to install on my customers and they don't want to pay for "monthly" support |
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| 21:01.40 | leonel | stew so Can I rest my mind leaving a woody server on the net with 2.4.18 from debian ? |
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| 21:01.49 | jsn | 83% after all packages downloaded. |
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| 21:02.07 | Jah_Raztah | is debian free ? |
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| 21:02.15 | paulswm | Jah_Raztah: Yes |
| 21:02.18 | cat | Jah_Raztah: no is not |
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| 21:02.31 | Arvind-NL | Any font expert arround? http://arvind.dyndns.org/usr/fonts/bistreamverasans.png (nice one) http://arvind.dyndns.org/usr/fonts/ {1 until 4}.png (here's how mines look) |
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| 21:02.40 | cat | Jah_Raztah: go to www.debian.org |
| 21:02.43 | cat | and download the iso |
| 21:02.45 | paulswm | cat: crap, we could have charged him |
| 21:02.52 | stew | Jah_Raztah: /msg dpkg sc |
| 21:02.54 | cat | of course ;P |
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| 21:03.06 | Jah_Raztah | I'm on windows and I was deciding to switch to linux cause windows is too expensive for me now... With all the software costing alot. |
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| 21:03.24 | gilles | caphuso: do you know if my card works with prism (because i know it's precompiled in my kernel) |
| 21:03.30 | Jah_Raztah | I have heard alot of the linux software is open source and is thus free and almost as good as the ones on windows |
| 21:03.32 | cat | Jah_Raztah: well go to www.debian.org or www.linuxiso.org |
| 21:03.36 | paulswm | Jah_Raztah: Do you have a computer background? |
| 21:03.38 | ericb_ | I have a really strange problem... so strange behavior... when I boot i810_audio don,t want to load but AS SOON AS kde starts arts and fail because no such device, i810_audio wants to load |
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| 21:03.48 | Jah_Raztah | i have a long computer background in windows |
| 21:03.55 | asuffield | so that's a no |
| 21:03.56 | caphuso | gilles: it doesn't use a prism chipset, so what do you think? |
| 21:03.58 | stew | Jah_Raztah: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 21:04.07 | ericb_ | i810_audio don't want to load because of undefined symbols |
| 21:04.08 | Jah_Raztah | and a very breif background in linux, used it for 3 days |
| 21:04.18 | gilles | caphuso: okay... |
| 21:04.32 | paulswm | Jah_Raztah: Because you will have a bit more administration work to do running a Linux system, but it's well worth hte learning curve. |
| 21:04.50 | khanman | Jah_Raztah, take a look at knoppix its a live cd based on debian...if you like it they install debian |
| 21:04.53 | paulswm | Jah_Raztah: ...and welcome :) |
| 21:05.01 | khanman | they=then |
| 21:05.06 | Jah_Raztah | yes i'm downloading it as we speak |
| 21:05.14 | khanman | it kicks ass |
| 21:05.21 | gilles | caphuso: what packages do i need to compile to be able to execute the commands make, make install, depmod and modeprobe ? |
| 21:05.30 | ericb_ | Jah_Raztah : but keep in mind that debian's greatest tool is apt-get |
| 21:05.32 | paulswm | Jah_Raztah: But don't install knoppix, becuase knoppix is *not* debian not matter what anyone tells you |
| 21:05.37 | ericb_ | and knoppix won't show you this |
| 21:05.41 | caphuso | gilles: apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:05.43 | Jah_Raztah | alright |
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| 21:05.46 | pingouin_ | someone run an debian-amd64 ? |
| 21:05.56 | khanman | i never said it was debian..i said it was BASED ON debian |
| 21:05.56 | stew | pingouin_: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 21:05.59 | caphuso | gilles: and the kernel headers for your kernel too |
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| 21:06.10 | pingouin_ | stew: thx, but it's not the question |
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| 21:06.20 | khanman | hardware detection is much nicer in knoppix though..especially for old hw |
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| 21:06.27 | stew | pingouin_: that would tell you that there is a channel full of people that do |
| 21:06.40 | Jah_Raztah | i have one question, do i have to install anythign while using the live CD or is it based on the CD itself and using a little bit of my hardrive to store temporary data? |
| 21:06.49 | khanman | no you install nothing |
| 21:06.54 | cheale1 | khanman: it doesn't install debian |
| 21:07.07 | jvw | khanman: debian's hardware detection has greatly improved lately though (in testing/unstable, that is) |
| 21:07.11 | paulswm | khanman: I've had no probs with HW detection recently in Sarge, using old and relatively new |
| 21:07.11 | khanman | and have only read access to the hard drives |
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| 21:07.44 | Jah_Raztah | yes as long as debain is linux kernal 2.6 then my current hardware should work with it |
| 21:07.46 | ugexe | isdn detection is still lacking |
| 21:07.47 | khanman | im using sarge right now..and the hw detection is improved..but i still think knoppix does it better (at least on my hw) |
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| 21:08.30 | khanman | and i never said you could install debian from a knoppix boot..i only said that if he liked knoppix that he shoudl then proceed to get a debian install disc |
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| 21:09.36 | PocKeT_ | hi all |
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| 21:09.44 | Jah_Raztah | debian is Gnome/KDE only or does it also support other desktops? |
| 21:09.59 | paulswm | khanman: Yes, and I agree, I was just clarifying for him the differences though, in case he decided to install thinking it was the same thing |
| 21:09.59 | caphuso | Jah_Raztah: it does |
| 21:10.16 | jsn | Jah_Raztah: It supports scads of them. |
| 21:10.17 | khanman | paulswm, ok :) |
| 21:10.19 | jahi | Jah_Raztah: im running XFCE i.e. |
| 21:10.22 | Jah_Raztah | alright thank you |
| 21:10.23 | pingouin_ | someone run an debian-amd64 ? |
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| 21:10.38 | cheale1 | khanman: it's just that you said that "if you like it they install debian" |
| 21:10.55 | cheale1 | pingouin_: /msg dpkg amd64 / #debian-amd64 |
| 21:11.07 | cuba | Jah_Raztah ya smoke di herbah? |
| 21:11.10 | jtrask | im considering going out and getting a pci wireless card. would such a card be picked up at all by the debian install when it looks for network adapters, and if so, is there a list somewhere of which specific cards are supported? |
| 21:11.11 | paulswm | khanman: You could retire if you had $1 for each "Can I upgrade from knoppix to sarge"-type question asked here :) |
| 21:11.14 | khanman | i just wish we had a damned newsreader that supported .nzb files..thats really the only thing im using windows for now..except games but i dont play them much anymore |
| 21:11.19 | Jah_Raztah | yes i do |
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| 21:11.35 | ericb_ | I have a really strange problem... so strange behavior... when I boot i810_audio don,t want to load but AS SOON AS kde starts arts and fail because no such device, i810_audio wants to load |
| 21:11.45 | khanman | cheale1, i dont believe that is an accurate quote |
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| 21:11.59 | Jah_Raztah | and you cuba? |
| 21:12.02 | cheale1 | (16:05:45) khanman: Jah_Raztah, take a look at knoppix its a live cd based on debian...if you like it they install debian |
| 21:12.10 | Flimzy | ericb_: Set it to load automatically in /etc/modules. Or compile it into the kernel. |
| 21:12.14 | paulswm | jtrask: There's a Wireless howto at www.tldp.org which I think has a compat lst |
| 21:12.23 | ericb_ | Flimzy : it is in /etc/modules |
| 21:12.37 | Flimzy | ericb_: Then it should be loading on boot. |
| 21:12.40 | ericb_ | Flimzy insmods i810_audio don't work until kde starts up |
| 21:12.41 | jtrask | paulswm: thanks |
| 21:12.42 | ribnitz | cheale1: you can also install knoppix to hdd, but then you'll basically be limited. |
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| 21:12.46 | BucWheat | where is the build log located when you issue the make command ? |
| 21:12.46 | freebsdworld | I'm going out and buying a cheep sound card.....because the one I have now dosn't work.......what is a good card that will work as soon as I put it in the machine |
| 21:12.52 | ericb_ | Flimzy : it should but it don't because of undefined symoble |
| 21:12.53 | Flimzy | ericb_: does 'modprobe i810_audio' work before starting KDE? |
| 21:12.55 | ericb_ | Flimzy : it should but it don't because of undefined symobls |
| 21:13.07 | ericb_ | Flimzy : yeah but don't do anything; insmods fails however |
| 21:13.11 | khanman | cheale1, youre right..but if you look a couple lines down i said khanman they=then |
| 21:13.15 | cheale1 | ribnitz: I've done that just before installing debian. hence the warning |
| 21:13.35 | cheale1 | khanman: right |
| 21:13.36 | Flimzy | ericb_: Perhaps an/other module(s) is/are needed before i810_audio can load, and when KDE starts, those other modules are auto loaded. |
| 21:13.53 | PocKeT_ | I have installed Sarge into my pc, i'm using kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, and i'm trying to recompile my kernel. I have installed kernel-sources-2.6.8 and after recompile that and reboot i obtain this message: modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 21:13.53 | PocKeT_ | pivot_root: no such file or directory |
| 21:13.53 | PocKeT_ | /sbin/init: 426: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 21:13.56 | ericb_ | Flimzy : maybe... gonna google |
| 21:14.06 | PocKeT_ | anybody could help me? |
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| 21:14.22 | Flimzy | ericb_: Run 'lsmod', then 'modprobe i810_audio' and lsmod again. Compare them. Whatever is auto loaded is what you need to add to /etc/modules |
| 21:14.23 | KjetilK | It looks like the libusbscanner script isn't doing its job |
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| 21:14.53 | KjetilK | specifically, I can't see where it gets the DEVPATH variable from |
| 21:14.57 | jtrask | jsn: is it less expensive there? |
| 21:15.10 | freebsdworld | CMI 8738 <---- anyone have a working (snd) |
| 21:15.29 | jsn | jtrask: No. Heh. And _so_ many people are paranoid (high % of growers, and everyone else knows growers). |
| 21:15.48 | jtrask | jsn: not at all? im at $15/g here |
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| 21:16.14 | jsn | jtrask: That's cheaper than what I was paying there, back in 95 |
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| 21:16.43 | jtrask | jsn: ouch |
| 21:16.50 | KjetilK | freebsdworld: I have it working with OSS, not ALSA, onboard |
| 21:17.15 | ericb_ | Flimzy : soundcore is the module needed I think |
| 21:17.17 | streuner__ | KjetilK: he is gone |
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| 21:17.32 | Flimzy | ericb_: try adding that to /etc/modules, and see if everything loads as it should on boot |
| 21:17.36 | KjetilK | streuner__: ah, whoops, bummer... |
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| 21:18.27 | ericb_ | Flimzy yeah I know how to configure a modules, I just didn't know how to find the modules I had to install... lsmod was what I was looking for.. thanks ! |
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| 21:18.29 | Bill1 | I get "media error" while copying a 180 MB tar file from CD to harddisk while doing debian install..any clues? |
| 21:18.31 | pingouin_ | someone run an debian-amd64 ? |
| 21:18.32 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 21:18.55 | cheale1 | pingouin_: yes |
| 21:18.59 | Flimzy | ericb_: sure, hope that helps |
| 21:19.05 | mlalkaka | how can i make debian run two certain mount commands during startup? |
| 21:19.23 | cheale1 | mlalkaka: use /etc/fstab |
| 21:19.26 | digital__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.39 | pingouin_ | cheale1: have you got an nvidia graphic card also ? and tried to install the drivers ? |
| 21:19.57 | mlalkaka | i've put both of them in /etc/fstab but it still doesnt run on startup |
| 21:20.03 | cheale1 | I have nvidia, but not amd64. #debian-amd64 does. |
| 21:20.12 | mlalkaka | although if i use the mount command manually, it reads the fstab fine |
| 21:20.17 | Bill1 | I get "media error" while copying a 180 MB tar file from CD to harddisk while doing debian install..any clues? |
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| 21:20.37 | jsn | Dang, 90% |
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| 21:21.11 | frem | Bill1: did another program try to access your cdrom drive or something? maybe there was a scratch on the disk? |
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| 21:21.49 | Bu5H | any ideas why alsa would pick up my tvcard as primary soundcard when /etc/modprobe.d/sound specifies my snd-via82xx as snd-card-0? |
| 21:21.56 | a_monkey | hello. can somebody give me a few pointers? i've been googling for the longest time, but i can't seem to find an answer. when i try to start an X session, XFree86 goes through every default mode ("1152x864", "1280x960", etc.) and somehow thinks that my "hsync" is "out of range". during my googling session, i found out that one solution was to stick `"IngoreEDID" "true"' in my XF86Config. That didn't seem to work. If anybody has exper |
| 21:21.56 | a_monkey | ienced this problem, any tips would be appreciated. |
| 21:21.59 | mlalkaka | cheale1, digital__ : any ideas? |
| 21:22.08 | Bill1 | I burned 4 disks at different speeds and tried 2 machines.. It only copies 70 MB out of 180 MB before throwing the I/O error |
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| 21:22.23 | zinx | Bu5H: you need to specify it with index=0 on the modprobe line, and the other cards with other indices |
| 21:22.25 | valdyn | Bu5H: thats just an alias, not an index |
| 21:22.32 | zinx | Bu5H: snd-card-0 is just an alias for auto-loading modules |
| 21:22.33 | cheale1 | mlalkaka: hum...no :| |
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| 21:22.45 | Bu5H | i dont remember this being a problem last time i configured my tvcard |
| 21:22.50 | cheale1 | !nickometer Bu5H |
| 21:22.51 | dpkg | 'Bu5H' is 25.000% lame, cheale1 |
| 21:22.54 | Bu5H | so just adding index=0 should fix the problem? |
| 21:22.54 | ugexe | is there a file i can add a terminal command to that will get executed everytime linux starts |
| 21:22.56 | zinx | Bu5H: probably got detected in a different order, then :/ |
| 21:22.58 | mlalkaka | cheale1, if i put a bash script in /etc/init.d, will it run automatically? |
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| 21:23.22 | valdyn | Bu5H: and index=1 at the other |
| 21:23.29 | cheale1 | mlalkaka: no, it needs a symlink from /etc/rc... use update-rd.d |
| 21:23.30 | zinx | Bu5H: yes, but you need index=1 or so on the other card |
| 21:23.39 | Bu5H | ok, the other card isnt specified |
| 21:23.50 | zinx | (i think there's -1 and -2 as well, that do special things.. one of them places the card last) |
| 21:23.52 | digital__ | mlalkaka: if 'mount -a' command mounts everything good then it will work at startup |
| 21:24.08 | Bu5H | yeah zinx, i remember seeing that in /etc/modules |
| 21:24.31 | pingouin_ | someone run an debian-amd64 with Nvidia graphic card ? |
| 21:25.06 | Bu5H | er. modules.conf |
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| 21:25.10 | Bill1 | any reason why a simple CP from CD to harddisk fails with I/O error during Post install of debian... am doing this CP in my kickstart file in %post section |
| 21:25.25 | zinx | Bill1: faulty CD most likely |
| 21:25.33 | mlalkaka | digital__, the thing is i have 3 entries in fstab with device 'none'. it only mounts the first one. it's the last two that i need mounted automatically as well. they don't get mounted with `mount -a` |
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| 21:25.38 | Bill1 | zinx: i burnt 4 new CDs |
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| 21:25.46 | PocKeT_ | someone knows how to resolv this message: modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 21:25.46 | PocKeT_ | pivot_root: no such file or directory |
| 21:25.46 | PocKeT_ | /sbin/init: 426: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
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| 21:25.51 | zinx | Bill1: well, how does it "fail"? |
| 21:25.55 | frem | Bill1, did your MD5sum on the iso match? |
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| 21:26.03 | d | hi! |
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| 21:26.06 | Bill1 | md5sum is always perfect |
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| 21:26.31 | digital__ | k mlalkaka => are u sure u dont have any error on the 2 lines u want to add ? |
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| 21:26.40 | Bill1 | It fails with I/O error after copying only 70 MB of 180 MB.. that file is not corrupted |
| 21:26.56 | d | I've burned a few CDs/DVDs under k3b without Joliet support- how can I get the full filenames when I insert said media into a Windoze machine (without reburning the discs)? |
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| 21:27.12 | zinx | Bill1: something's either wrong with the drive or the disc/filesystem :/ |
| 21:27.18 | mlalkaka | digital__, yes. otherwise, why would it work when i run `mount <mpt>` where <mpt> is the mount point |
| 21:27.29 | drp | newb question but ... how do you transfer files from your local machine to a remote server using scp |
| 21:27.36 | Bill1 | drive is OK.. |
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| 21:27.53 | frem | d: i think you'd have to use some sort of special program on the windows computer. |
| 21:27.54 | caphuso | d: you don't |
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| 21:27.55 | Bill1 | zinx: i trid the same CDs on other machines.. I get the same error |
| 21:28.12 | zinx | Bill1: then it's probably the disc/filesystem... |
| 21:28.13 | digital__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.30 | mlalkaka | chealer, so i cp the script into /etc/init.d and then run update-rd.d ? |
| 21:28.31 | zinx | Bill1: did you check your md5sum against the one on the web? |
| 21:28.35 | d | caphuso: nay, i'm not having that! |
| 21:28.39 | Bill1 | zinx: I tried on 3 diff machines.. so disk file sys ;d be fine |
| 21:28.43 | mlalkaka | digital__, np. thx for trying :) |
| 21:28.45 | frem | Bill1: have you tried redownloading the iso from a diffrent source? |
| 21:28.48 | digital__ | ;) |
| 21:29.04 | zinx | Bill1: no, trying on different machines only means the _drive_ is probably not messed up |
| 21:29.09 | Bill1 | zinx: this is my custom distro.. It used to work fine before.. |
| 21:29.13 | zinx | Bill1: nothing to do with disc/filesystem :/ |
| 21:29.15 | frem | d, do you have any better ideas? ;-) |
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| 21:29.22 | caphuso | d: well, you can try praying. maybe a bored god will help |
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| 21:29.31 | d | as frem said, there must be some extension or prog for win to read Linux CDs properly, surely! |
| 21:29.36 | Bill1 | zinx: how do I verify if disk file system is OK? |
| 21:29.37 | zinx | Bill1: well, it doesn't work now. it's most likely a bad disc or bad filesystem; you said you've burned it several times, so it's probably a bad filesystem. verify the filesystem |
| 21:29.44 | zinx | Bill1: isovfy or somesuch |
| 21:30.04 | Bill1 | fsck? |
| 21:30.05 | caphuso | d: ah, so you've created the iso with rockridge extensions? |
| 21:30.12 | zinx | Bill1: no, isovfy |
| 21:30.18 | frem | d, I meant, in theory. I've never heard of them, but it would be possible to make one. |
| 21:31.14 | d | caphuso: yeah, long filenames appear fine under Linux, not Windows. I think it is Rockridge |
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| 21:31.24 | caphuso | d: well, then you have a chance |
| 21:32.07 | Bill1 | zinx: am doing a clean install.. i.e in my kickstart Install.. I clear all partitions,etc.. How would I check the file system? |
| 21:32.18 | zinx | Bill1: uh... partitions? |
| 21:32.45 | chealer | mlalkaka: sorry, yes |
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| 21:32.54 | shek | I am having a problem with my usb key drive,I am a newbie to debian and the drive lights up but I cannot see it anywhere , sda ,sda1 are there in /dev but I dont know why they dont mount when I do a mount /dev/sda1, says not found in fstab |
| 21:32.54 | Bill1 | like clearallpart, then create partitions within kickstart file.. |
| 21:32.56 | zinx | Bill1: CDs have partitions, generally... it'd be rather stupid to give them partitions |
| 21:33.03 | zinx | erh, don't have |
| 21:33.09 | jtrask | ive been installing a debian system from floppies |
| 21:33.12 | bob2 | shek: you have to mount it manually |
| 21:33.18 | mlalkaka | chealer, and will it make a difference whether my script has a .sh suffix or not? |
| 21:33.20 | Bill1 | zinx: I guess you don't know what kickstart is.. |
| 21:33.23 | bob2 | shek: or use gnome + gnome-volume-manager |
| 21:33.27 | zinx | Bill1: apparently not. |
| 21:33.29 | Bill1 | anyone here a Kickstart experts?? |
| 21:33.33 | shek | how do I mount it manually? |
| 21:33.34 | d | jtrask: Wow! Floppy install in 2005! Well done! |
| 21:33.41 | jtrask | d: heh |
| 21:33.42 | jtrask | which means go through boot floppy, then root floppy, then cd drivers floppy |
| 21:33.49 | jtrask | and then use the cd from there ;) |
| 21:33.50 | zinx | Bill1: i've been assuming your problem was reading from a standard CD filesystem |
| 21:33.52 | Bu5H | hmm |
| 21:33.55 | zinx | Bill1: which you can verify with isovfy |
| 21:34.02 | Bu5H | thanks zinx, valdyn |
| 21:34.12 | Bu5H | whatever i did worked |
| 21:34.18 | jtrask | at some point (i believe after we've got onto the cd) it looks for network adapters, configures them, and uses them. |
| 21:34.34 | jtrask | is there a list of network adapters that would be supported _at that point_ |
| 21:34.38 | Bill1 | zinx: where do you execute that isovfy command?? (am not with the machine to do Man right now) |
| 21:34.41 | jtrask | so i know which wireless card i can go out and buy? |
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| 21:35.28 | Bill1 | zinx: you're right.. the problem is to with file copy.. Within the KickStart install.. |
| 21:35.30 | chealer | mlalkaka: no, but put the "header" #!/bin/sh |
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| 21:35.41 | zinx | Bill1: it doesn't matter where you run it, as long as you do |
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| 21:36.11 | zinx | Bill1: it's isovfy image; where image is the image (i.e., foo.iso, /dev/cdrom, etc) |
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| 21:36.38 | rares000 | I'm getting this warning that packages cannot be authenticated how do I get rid of it? |
| 21:36.47 | Bill1 | zinx: if that turns out OK.. what next? |
| 21:37.06 | zinx | Bill1: most other filesystems can be verified with fsck -n image |
| 21:37.14 | Bill1 | zinx: this file is a Tar file.. and is not corrupted.. CP of small size file have no problems |
| 21:37.17 | zinx | Bill1: since there seem to be some other filesystems involved in your case |
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| 21:37.26 | mlalkaka | chealer, alright. thanks i'll do that. but does it make a difference whether there is a .sh suffix or not? some scripts in init.d have .sh at the end and i was just curious whether that meant anything (other than it is a shell script) |
| 21:37.58 | jsn | mlalkaka: It's not required. I use my initials for the name of my local script. |
| 21:37.59 | zinx | Bill1: you're copying out of a tarball? jeez, just untar the thing :x |
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| 21:38.06 | chealer | mlalkaka: I can't guarantee, but just by looking 99% odds it doesn't matter |
| 21:38.16 | nSe | could sb help me: by installing the first 3 woody cd's, have i xwindow and kde when the installation finish? |
| 21:38.23 | zinx | Bill1: tar can verify tar archives :/ |
| 21:38.27 | Bill1 | zinx: I untar it on the machine after the CP.. |
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| 21:38.49 | chealer | nSe: do you know about sarge or "testing"? |
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| 21:39.27 | Skaag | can I dd over the network? |
| 21:39.28 | nSe | ((chealer)) no ideia |
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| 21:39.39 | zinx | Skaag: from what to what? |
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| 21:39.44 | shek | could anyone tell me how to mount a usb key drive manually since mount /dev/sda1 is not working for me |
| 21:39.54 | Skaag | a hard drive on box A to a hard drive on box B |
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| 21:40.11 | zinx | Skaag: not a file on box A to a file on box B? |
| 21:40.28 | Skaag | no |
| 21:40.29 | caphuso | zinx: this is unix. everything's a file |
| 21:40.33 | Skaag | the actual device |
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| 21:41.05 | zinx | Skaag: get both running, and you can probably do it via the devices |
| 21:41.15 | chealer | !tell nSe about d-i |
| 21:41.21 | cjfp2 | how can execute a script automatically upon returning from apm suspend to RAM? |
| 21:41.22 | zinx | Skaag: i -think- samba will handle that properly.. not really sure :x |
| 21:41.57 | chealer | nSe: you'd better forget about woody and install sarge. http://debian.org/releases |
| 21:42.14 | valdyn | !d-i nSe |
| 21:42.15 | dpkg | nSe, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 21:43.11 | valdyn | shek: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /my/usbmountpoint |
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| 21:43.29 | Skaag | zinx: they are both running |
| 21:43.41 | Skaag | i'll just debootstrap those drives |
| 21:43.44 | zinx | Skaag: well, share the /dev somehow |
| 21:43.54 | cjfp_ | this is with sarge and a 2.4.27 kernel |
| 21:43.55 | Skaag | will probably be faster |
| 21:44.05 | Skaag | unstable is sarge, right? |
| 21:44.12 | _SerhaT_ | yup |
| 21:44.12 | zinx | Skaag: no, sarge is testing (at the moment) |
| 21:44.16 | _SerhaT_ | rem |
| 21:44.20 | _SerhaT_ | what's the diff? |
| 21:44.24 | zinx | Skaag: hopefully soon to become stable |
| 21:44.25 | Skaag | ahrm. ok. so woody? |
| 21:44.36 | zinx | Skaag: no, use sarge |
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| 21:44.51 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 21:44.51 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
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| 21:44.54 | cat | can debian installation reconize my usb modem? |
| 21:45.16 | zinx | cat: depends on which USB modem, and which kernel you're using |
| 21:45.22 | cat | is gonna be 2.6 |
| 21:45.24 | cat | sarge installation |
| 21:45.25 | Skaag | ok |
| 21:45.29 | abrotman | no .. what is it now? |
| 21:45.32 | zinx | cat: some USB modems are standard serial devices... some are not. |
| 21:45.44 | displague | how do i find the package that provides pvcreate using the bot here |
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| 21:45.54 | Skaag | zinx: so in my sources.list file i should also replace unstable with testing, right? |
| 21:45.57 | cat | zinx: i give u my modem right now the name of it |
| 21:46.10 | cjfp_ | never mind, i figured it out |
| 21:46.18 | displague | ? /sbin/pvcreate |
| 21:46.34 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:46.34 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:46.37 | zinx | Skaag: i haven't had much luck with installing debian on a system w/ something already on it |
| 21:47.33 | nSe | oh gosh, you're saying that's better i trought out my new woody that i have just downloaded with an enourmous sacrifice!? |
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| 21:47.40 | shek | valdyn that command says mountpoint does not exist |
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| 21:48.07 | chealer | nSe: yes :) |
| 21:48.20 | valdyn | shek: that does not surprise me, /my/usbmountpoint was meant to tell you to replace that with your mountpoint of your choice |
| 21:48.43 | chealer | nSe: starting with the old woody would probably be a greater sacrifice |
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| 21:49.09 | aum | hi - after a big recent dist-upgrade in sarge, and kernel->2.6.10, i'm finding that 3rd party modules such as nvidia and vmware 'go stale' every time i boot, ie, fail to load and have to be rebuilt - this happens with /every/ boot - any thoughts what might be causing this? |
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| 21:49.50 | Flimzy | aum: You recompile your modules after every reboot? |
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| 21:49.59 | nSe | ((chealer)) come'on, that's not stable! what's the real problem with woody? i spent 3 of my expensive-cdr in it... |
| 21:50.08 | Flimzy | aum: Sounds to me like your modules aren't the only thing that's gone "stale" |
| 21:50.10 | aum | Flimzy: I /have to/ recompile them - they won't load otherwise |
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| 21:50.11 | cjfp_ | !ne1 |
| 21:50.11 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 21:50.26 | valdyn | aum: try if instead of rebuilding "modprobe <module>" works, if it does, add your modules ( without the .ko ) to /etc/modules |
| 21:50.29 | cjfp_ | !wud |
| 21:50.29 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
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| 21:50.44 | shek | valdyn feel stupid...tried changing that, made a directory in mnt and did mount -t ... /dev/sda1 /mnt/cruzer and it says special device does nto exist |
| 21:50.48 | Flimzy | aum: That doesn't make any sense. |
| 21:50.53 | cjfp_ | haha |
| 21:51.00 | aum | Flimzy: sure don't make sense |
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| 21:51.12 | Flimzy | aum: Unless you're changing your kernel during every reboot, too |
| 21:51.15 | valdyn | shek: so /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 21:51.26 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 21:51.26 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 21:51.30 | chealer | nSe: the real problem is that it's old, because debian is primarily targetted for servers. debian testing is good for desktops though |
| 21:51.30 | aum | Flimzy: no, got the same kernel with every boot |
| 21:51.37 | valdyn | shek: read what dpkg said |
| 21:51.45 | abrotman | chealer: you keep saying that .. but it's not true |
| 21:52.20 | chealer | abrotman: you keep don't fixing me? do so before I corrupt more people |
| 21:52.21 | uruboro | uhmmmm about usb-storage, don't you need scsi generic, (sg) too? |
| 21:52.34 | abrotman | chealer: i did the last time you said it |
| 21:52.36 | uruboro | ops |
| 21:52.42 | chealer | hum, ok |
| 21:52.43 | nSe | ((chealer)) but i can't upgrade for sarge after woody installation? |
| 21:52.46 | valdyn | shek: but skip the part obout /etc/fstab before you can mount it "manually" |
| 21:52.53 | uruboro | sg is installed by sd i guess |
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| 21:53.03 | abrotman | nSe: you have the stupidest nick completion thing i have ever seen |
| 21:53.14 | abrotman | !tell nSe about woody->sarge |
| 21:53.32 | shek | valdyn i am a newbie, how do i load those modules? I read on the net so I did modprobe usb-storage and I dont know if that worked |
| 21:53.41 | abrotman | shek: modconf |
| 21:53.44 | chealer | nSe: you could, but that will make your 3 CDs waster anyway. you can just download 1 CD and install sarge from it |
| 21:53.45 | Flimzy | ((--> abrotman <--)) I bet I could come up with a worse one! |
| 21:53.55 | valdyn | shek: if modprobe gives no feedback then the module loaded |
| 21:54.03 | abrotman | Flimzy: i bet you could |
| 21:54.27 | nSe | ((abrotman)) this is my newest ridiculous script! don't you like it? |
| 21:54.30 | valdyn | shek: but you can "tail -f /var/log/messages" to see some more info |
| 21:54.55 | abrotman | nSe: it's the worst thing i've seen |
| 21:55.16 | Flimzy | nSe: It's hideous |
| 21:55.35 | uruboro | nSe: i like it, can you publish the source under a GPL compatible license? |
| 21:55.41 | Flimzy | nSe: The only way it could be worse is if it was in color, or told us what MP3 you were currently listening to. |
| 21:55.58 | shek | ok , but when I did a lsmod |grep usb like the page said it shows usb_storage, usbcore, scsi_mod |
| 21:56.05 | shek | is that ok ? |
| 21:56.17 | dabreegster | What, a MP3 script? |
| 21:56.40 | valdyn | shek: yes, why should it not be? |
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| 21:57.59 | shek | just wasnt sure about usb_storage and usb-storage if there was any difference due to the underscore |
| 21:58.17 | uruboro | shek there is no difference for modprobe, see man |
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| 21:58.42 | shek | ok |
| 21:58.47 | abrotman | modconf |
| 21:58.50 | uruboro | shek and relax. the days of scsi chains are long gone... well not so long ;) |
| 21:59.01 | shek | what should I do next, it still doesnt let me mount, still giving device does not exist |
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| 21:59.16 | Flimzy | dabreegster: Did you need some clarification? |
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| 21:59.28 | valdyn | shek: "modprobe sd" done? |
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| 22:00.05 | shek | no , it said FATAL module not found |
| 22:00.13 | drac | shek: sd_mod or sd-mod |
| 22:00.19 | dabreegster | Flimzy: no, it was sarcasm |
| 22:00.20 | shek | ahh |
| 22:00.33 | shek | sd_mod |
| 22:00.41 | nSe | ((chealer)) just one cd? and all those packages in my woody cd's, maybe they'll work in sarge... just more one question: what does DWN means? |
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| 22:02.26 | drac | shek: you might also need echi_hcd and/or uchi_hcd |
| 22:02.32 | streuner__ | !dwn |
| 22:02.32 | dpkg | Debian Weekly News at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to debian-news-request@lists.debian.org |
| 22:02.34 | Rhubarb2 | silly question .... what package do I need to install, to play .asf format audio files .... an apt-get source would be great! |
| 22:02.35 | chealer | nSe: one CD won't have as much as 3, but you can download the rest with the netinstall, unless the computer you're installing on has slower access to internet |
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| 22:02.52 | chealer | nSe: very few woody packages will be usable on sarge |
| 22:03.55 | shek | how do I install those modules? |
| 22:04.10 | drac | load them with modprobe? |
| 22:05.15 | shek | echi_mod didnt work |
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| 22:05.22 | shek | but uhci_mod did |
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| 22:05.54 | paxl | Is there a way to make 2 output over the standard /dev/dsp .. like 2 application |
| 22:06.23 | drac | umm, ehci_hcd not echi_hcd |
| 22:06.30 | drac | typo |
| 22:06.54 | drac | ehci is usb 2.0 and uhci is usb 1.1 |
| 22:06.57 | shek | that did it |
| 22:07.05 | shek | installed |
| 22:07.22 | shek | cool cool |
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| 22:07.35 | shek | should I try mounting now? |
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| 22:08.12 | valdyn | shek: consult /etc/partitions as dpkg said |
| 22:08.15 | drac | hmm, try unplugging and plugging the device once and mounting after that? |
| 22:08.36 | drac | nvm |
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| 22:09.33 | brynjarh | Can someone make that bot tell me about java, don't know how. |
| 22:09.39 | shek | I checked the /proc/partitions and it shows sda and sda1 |
| 22:09.45 | caphuso | brynjarh: /msg dpkg java |
| 22:09.54 | drac | shek: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /where_you_want (wild guess) |
| 22:10.03 | brynjarh | caphuso: thanks |
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| 22:11.05 | nSe | that's what i need though: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 22:11.06 | shek | whoa...it worked |
| 22:11.24 | shek | I did unplug it and plug it back in before doing that |
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| 22:11.30 | nSe | chealer |
| 22:11.30 | drac | shek, now put all these modules you just loaded with modprobe into /etc/modules |
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| 22:11.37 | marc7 | there was a website I stumbled into awhile ago, can't for the life of me remember it's URL... but it had cases of systems being compromised and the intrusion detection techniques used to recover the systems... is anyone familiar with anything like that? |
| 22:11.47 | drac | shek, so all them will load automatically in next boot |
| 22:11.56 | shek | how do I do that? |
| 22:12.10 | drac | shek: with normal editor? nano, joe, vim, vi.. |
| 22:12.25 | shek | oh so I just add them as lines in modules.conf? |
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| 22:12.35 | drac | shek: /etc/modules |
| 22:12.47 | chealer | nSe: what? sorry did you ask me something? |
| 22:12.49 | shek | ok |
| 22:12.58 | valdyn | shek: which release of debian are you using btw? |
| 22:13.03 | cthulfuego | marc7: Yah, pull system off net, back up data, wipe and start again. |
| 22:13.05 | shek | woody |
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| 22:13.08 | shek | 2.6 |
| 22:13.13 | chealer | nSe: oops, just saw it. yes, get that |
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| 22:13.42 | valdyn | shek: i see. that explains why none of this was done "automatically" |
| 22:13.42 | marc7 | cthulfuego: no no, i understand a format and rebuild is ideal... but this website had case studies of identifying and performing forensic analysis on compromised systems. |
| 22:13.55 | valdyn | shek: woody is 3.0 |
| 22:13.55 | shek | does sarge have all this done automatically? |
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| 22:14.07 | cthulfuego | marc7: You'd probably start by booting a clean kernel and doing some md5sums on files. |
| 22:14.11 | shek | oh yeah sorry, I meant kernel 2.6.24 |
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| 22:14.40 | valdyn | shek: most likely yes |
| 22:14.44 | marc7 | cthulfuego: we don't have a system that's been compromised right now... so that's not a huge concern |
| 22:14.46 | shek | cool |
| 22:14.49 | valdyn | shek: but nothing wrong now, since you have already set this up |
| 22:14.50 | stego | Does anyone know how to configure Thunderbird to show messages in a nested-thread way, useful for mailing lists? |
| 22:14.51 | drac | shek: 2.4.26 ? |
| 22:15.05 | marc7 | i know the basics of "what to do when your system has been compromised"... but I'm looking specifically for this website. |
| 22:15.05 | shek | yes |
| 22:15.06 | drac | :p |
| 22:15.13 | shek | not 24 , eh |
| 22:15.13 | Resonant | So I was setting up NVidia drivers on my brothers system today and it seems to be set up correctly, but it is failing to draw a lot of images, and not refreshing the screen (menus stay in place, etc) |
| 22:15.45 | abrotman | #nvidia |
| 22:15.50 | shek | I am still learning what all those mean .....it will be a while |
| 22:15.51 | Resonant | thanks abrotman |
| 22:15.53 | shek | heh |
| 22:15.57 | abrotman | stego: irc.mozilla.org |
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| 22:16.00 | valdyn | shek: "uname -r" |
| 22:16.08 | chealer | abrotman: I don't find what you told me about my recommandation of sarge for desktops in my logs. could you paste me or just have the discussion again? sorry, but I don't really remember we discussed that |
| 22:16.09 | stego | abrotman, thanks I'll try there. |
| 22:16.35 | shek | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 22:16.36 | abrotman | chealer: it wasn't that long ago .. i thought it was .. no biggie .. just that debian doesn't target servers .. they target stability |
| 22:16.40 | shek | thanks |
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| 22:16.49 | abrotman | chealer: at least with the stable releases |
| 22:17.03 | shek | i will get the numbers straight one day |
| 22:17.07 | cthulfuego | Oh err, gcc4.0 joy |
| 22:17.09 | abrotman | chealer: if you prefer stability on your desktop over newer packages .. then you'd use woody |
| 22:17.36 | shek | is there a deb package to make that usb drive bootable? |
| 22:17.47 | cthulfuego | abrotman: Sarge over Sid, actually, for a desktop. |
| 22:17.56 | Resonant | shek wouldn |
| 22:17.57 | cthulfuego | shek: Try syslinux |
| 22:17.59 | shek | on the usb memory stick bootable page , it says to use syslinux |
| 22:18.00 | Resonant | wouldn't that be a bios thing? |
| 22:18.09 | abrotman | cthulfuego: well .. whatever . just that people keep saying that debian targets servers .. which is false |
| 22:18.19 | shek | do I just do a aptitude install syslinux? |
| 22:18.33 | cthulfuego | abrotman: I think it's mkore than sane server admins automagically use debian ;-) |
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| 22:18.59 | abrotman | cthulfuego: perhaps ... |
| 22:19.19 | Resonant | hrm nvidia channel is silent |
| 22:19.32 | abrotman | !piav |
| 22:19.33 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 22:19.42 | Resonant | lol |
| 22:19.46 | chealer | !lol |
| 22:19.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, lol is Loser On Line, good work chealer, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 22:19.51 | abrotman | !chealer |
| 22:19.51 | dpkg | Yes, abrotman, you're still online. |
| 22:19.56 | chealer | DOH, me! |
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| 22:20.11 | bosartig | hello |
| 22:20.26 | vibey | what if you cheat and l o l ..? |
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| 22:20.48 | valdyn | shek: yes |
| 22:20.54 | PerfDave | chealer: But sane desktop users automagically use Debian too ;) |
| 22:21.02 | bosartig | can anyone give advice about getting X to run with debian 30r4? |
| 22:21.16 | vibey | anyone running debian on their mac mini yet? |
| 22:21.21 | idnar | < abrotman> !chealer < dpkg> Yes, abrotman, you're still online. wtf? |
| 22:21.27 | cthulfuego | bosartig: That would depend on your video card. |
| 22:21.35 | chealer | PerfDave: well, my geek friend started to. still got many to convince though :S |
| 22:21.45 | PerfDave | vibey: That would involve me buying a Mac Mini. I still have more sense than money fortunately. |
| 22:21.49 | bosartig | im finding out that my vid card is a pain in the rear with linux |
| 22:21.54 | abrotman | !literal chealer |
| 22:21.54 | dpkg | chealer is <reply> see test |
| 22:21.56 | chealer | idnar: I do dpkg test with my factoid |
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| 22:21.59 | bosartig | its a radeon 9200 |
| 22:22.01 | abrotman | idnar: see ^^ |
| 22:22.05 | idnar | heh |
| 22:22.27 | Jah_Raztah | !google debian |
| 22:22.28 | PerfDave | bosartig: Hahahahahaha, you believed those claims that ATI support linux, didn't you? ;) |
| 22:22.30 | valdyn | bosartig: that card should work just fine "with linux", no idea about woody |
| 22:22.32 | cthulfuego | bosartig: I think you may need the fglrx propriertary driver, yhen. |
| 22:22.36 | dpkg | Google says debian is at http://www.debian.org/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages or http://www.debian.org/security/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/ftplist |
| 22:23.04 | vibey | PerfDave: its actually not a bad idea ... small quiet... better temperature stats if you're looking into car computing.. |
| 22:23.06 | bosartig | actually, im very new to linux. it works "ok" with mandrake 10.1 |
| 22:23.11 | vibey | PerfDave: http://www.sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/ |
| 22:23.12 | bosartig | works like crap with suse |
| 22:23.19 | PerfDave | vibey: It involves giving money to Apple, it's a terrible idea IMHO. |
| 22:23.29 | cthulfuego | bosartig: Yes, they have different X verions. mandrake probably already includes the closed source driver. |
| 22:23.32 | Ronin | bosartig: got a 9200 here and it works like a charm |
| 22:23.40 | bosartig | hmm |
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| 22:23.56 | Ronin | mind you im not a gamer so 1300fps is more then enough |
| 22:23.57 | bosartig | i cant get it to work with gentoo or debian |
| 22:24.08 | a_monkey | anyone know how to make a debian package out of an app's source? |
| 22:24.11 | Paganist | http://open4all.info/linuxvirgin/ |
| 22:24.15 | PerfDave | !nmg a_monkey |
| 22:24.24 | PerfDave | !tell a_monkey about dnm |
| 22:24.24 | cthulfuego | !tell bosartig -about fglrx |
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| 22:24.37 | cthulfuego | bosartig: Check the link dpkg just gave you, it contains all you need. |
| 22:24.40 | bosartig | im curious if it could be the via chipset |
| 22:24.56 | bosartig | lspci returns 2 unknown devices both named via |
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| 22:25.09 | cthulfuego | bosartig: No, that's not it. |
| 22:25.52 | shek | I did aptitude install syslinux and it went through a whole process and then send dependency unconfigured and gave an error |
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| 22:26.01 | shek | dpkg says gxine depends on libsmjs1 |
| 22:26.01 | dpkg | shek: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 22:27.00 | shek | how do i parse the error messages to a file? |
| 22:27.06 | Klebel | what libs are needed to play divx files with ac3 audio? |
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| 22:27.19 | cthulfuego | Klebel: w32codecs should do. |
| 22:27.28 | shek | or should I resort to being ignorant and copy paste :| |
| 22:27.32 | Blissex | shek: it is usually a good idea to run 'aptitude' in full screen mode, and then you see after the first 'g' what it is going to do. |
| 22:27.40 | cthulfuego | shek: Read the /topic before you paste. |
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| 22:28.03 | cthulfuego | Especially the bit about DON'T PASTE |
| 22:28.10 | Blissex | shek: in any case to redirect output to a file you use '> file' if it is ordinary output, and '2> file' if it is error messages |
| 22:28.29 | Klebel | cthulfuego, when i play in mplayer the sound works fine, but the video lags ALOT |
| 22:28.53 | brynjarh | Klebel: Have you tried Totem using xine or gstreamer? |
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| 22:29.31 | chealer | abrotman: I'll keep thinking about the debian release cycle versus desktop/servers and try to remember to say false things about it until I get a better idea. punch me again if I forget :) |
| 22:29.50 | chealer | s/remember to/remember not to/ |
| 22:29.59 | Klebel | totem, xine and all of those work perfect, except when i try and fast forward, it freezes |
| 22:30.18 | abrotman | !punch chealer |
| 22:30.22 | abrotman | just testing :) |
| 22:30.25 | shek | blissex: cool, I got the errors in a file |
| 22:30.44 | shek | how do I load it here? |
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| 22:32.00 | cthulfuego | shek: /msg dpkg paster |
| 22:34.25 | adjacent_ | i have two driver modules for a single device. one loads first and the other fails? where do i specify the driver to be loaded for network devices? |
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| 22:36.09 | green_earz | adjacent_: have a look at modconf for modules installing |
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| 22:36.24 | Dull404 | anyone here know how to get the debian dvd iso? im using jigdo... but it aint working :/// tried it 10 times now |
| 22:36.45 | Dull404 | 0/8140 files matched |
| 22:37.03 | PerfDave | Dull404: jigdo is AFAIK the only way to get it. |
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| 22:37.26 | chealer | is there a name for the headers like #!/bin/sh ? |
| 22:37.39 | shek | cthulfuego: i did that and paster the file contents and now I am banned |
| 22:37.41 | Dull404 | PerfDave: i know.. but i cant get it to work. i dont know whats wrong |
| 22:37.41 | green_earz | Dull404: have you wget the two jigdo files down first to make life easyer |
| 22:37.43 | restrex | how do I remove the gnome desktop environment? |
| 22:37.43 | abrotman | ask #bash |
| 22:37.55 | brynjarh | What's the technical reason again for not being able to download the DVD iso in one file? |
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| 22:38.05 | PerfDave | Dull404: Can't help, I've not used jigdo |
| 22:38.10 | PerfDave | brynjarh: Which DVD ISO? |
| 22:38.21 | restrex | how do I remove the gnome desktop environment? |
| 22:38.34 | Dull404 | green_earz: woody-i386-1_NONUS.jigdo and .template ? |
| 22:38.35 | cantona | (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) |
| 22:38.36 | PerfDave | !remove gnome |
| 22:38.36 | dpkg | remove gnome is, like, apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 22:38.37 | cantona | what is it |
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| 22:38.40 | green_earz | brynjarh: with jido the iso can just be updated |
| 22:38.47 | eeyore- | wow ... i'm falling in love with Composite extension :-) |
| 22:38.53 | chealer | ok abrotman |
| 22:38.53 | BrianAnthony | I just want X to work... |
| 22:38.55 | PerfDave | cantona: It looks like /dev/apm_bios is missing ;) |
| 22:38.57 | green_earz | Dull404: why not sarge iso ? |
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| 22:39.08 | abrotman | eeyore-: i'm telling your wife |
| 22:39.12 | jannol | restrex, apt-get remove gnome |
| 22:39.15 | streuner__ | BrianAnthony: what videocard do you have? |
| 22:39.16 | cantona | PerfDave: what is it for anyway? |
| 22:39.18 | eeyore- | she loves it too |
| 22:39.18 | PerfDave | I'm quite surprised you can't get the Woody DVD ISO over BitTorrent |
| 22:39.37 | Dull404 | green_earz: ok.. but those two files from sarge? wget those? |
| 22:39.42 | PerfDave | cantona: APM - Automated Power Management (I think), handles stuff like powering off your machine when you tell it to shutdown. |
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| 22:39.53 | green_earz | Dull404: i get you the link |
| 22:39.55 | eeyore- | too bad i can't get composite working on my desktop. it has ATI card and the closed-source ATI driver doesn't do DAMAGE extension, so xcompmgr won't work |
| 22:40.12 | brynjarh | I thought you couldn't download the DVD iso because it was bigger then 4gb or something? So you had to download it in separate files? |
| 22:40.22 | abrotman | eeyore-: which ati card? |
| 22:40.25 | eeyore- | it's more than xcompmgr, though. i hacked the source for xcompmgr to not exit if it can't find DAMAGE and XFIXES extensions, but the ATI driver just screws up the display badly anyhow |
| 22:40.33 | cantona | PerfDave: i have ACPI already, can i set x not to looking for it? |
| 22:40.40 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.42 | eeyore- | abrotm: 9600 i think, it uses the fglrx driver, latest version |
| 22:40.52 | BrianAnthony | streuner__: ATI Radeon 9550 |
| 22:40.54 | abrotman | eeyore-: your nick completion is broken :) ... |
| 22:41.02 | BrianAnthony | I can't get keyboard functionality |
| 22:41.05 | eeyore- | abrot: i'm blaming xchat |
| 22:41.16 | BrianAnthony | I can *sometimes* get mouse functionality |
| 22:41.16 | green_earz | Dull404: wget http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo |
| 22:41.29 | abrotman | eeyore-: why? |
| 22:41.35 | abrotman | eeyore-: i'm using it here .. no issue :) |
| 22:41.37 | Phated | !blame xchat |
| 22:41.44 | Phated | abrotman: Because you can. :) |
| 22:41.44 | PerfDave | cantona: I don't know why X is looking for APM. |
| 22:41.46 | eeyore- | abrot: haven't found the toggle, yet ;-) |
| 22:41.56 | streuner__ | heh, Phated - X-Chat is good :-) |
| 22:41.59 | abrotman | eeyore-: ah .. gotcha |
| 22:42.00 | PerfDave | Dull404: Do you want to install Sarge or Woody? |
| 22:42.06 | abrotman | Phated: did you get your sound working? |
| 22:42.09 | eeyore- | brianan: you have trouble running X? |
| 22:42.17 | Phated | abrotman: Nope. |
| 22:42.27 | green_earz | Dull404: wget http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/jigdotemplates/sarge-i386-1.template |
| 22:42.27 | Dull404 | green_earz: hold on.. a sec :) |
| 22:42.32 | green_earz | ok |
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| 22:42.35 | BrianAnthony | Not nescisarily running. I can run it just fine, but I have no keyboard |
| 22:42.42 | abrotman | Phated: still bad kernel? |
| 22:42.45 | BrianAnthony | Th eonly options I'm selecting are PC104 and US layout |
| 22:42.52 | Phated | abrotman: Yeah, I CBA to reboot yet. |
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| 22:43.01 | eeyore- | brianan: "no keyboard"? USB or what? |
| 22:43.03 | abrotman | !reboot Phated |
| 22:43.09 | green_earz | Dull404: use the two wget gets i just pasted you |
| 22:43.11 | BrianAnthony | PS2 |
| 22:43.20 | eeyore- | abrotm: hmm, i toggled the nick complete checkbox to on. do i have to restart xchat? |
| 22:43.24 | Phated | abrotman: Besides, I doubt it's the kernel, I've looked in all the possibilites and I see nothing like a ThunderBird. |
| 22:43.30 | BrianAnthony | but I cannot use it _in_ x |
| 22:43.38 | eeyore- | abrotman: test |
| 22:43.40 | BrianAnthony | I'm in the console on BitchX now |
| 22:43.41 | Skaag | there seems to be a problem with unstable and php4 |
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| 22:43.47 | abrotman | eeyore-: you're not online anymore |
| 22:43.51 | Dull404 | green_earz: i am... trying it now |
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| 22:44.06 | abrotman | Phated: ask #alsa :) |
| 22:44.07 | Lestat^O^ | hi |
| 22:44.20 | green_earz | Dull404: both wget in one foulder |
| 22:44.27 | Phated | abrotman: Screw #alsa. |
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| 22:44.39 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: what are the symptoms of you not being able to use the keyboard ... can you bring up "gnome-keyboard-properties" at all? |
| 22:44.42 | abrotman | Phated: make movies if you don't mind :) |
| 22:44.54 | BrianAnthony | I'm not using gnome |
| 22:45.03 | abrotman | thank you |
| 22:45.03 | Phated | BAD abrotman BAD. |
| 22:45.07 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: is the keyboard not responding at all? does it spew out wrong keys? what? |
| 22:45.10 | BrianAnthony | And I've tried other window managers |
| 22:45.13 | abrotman | Phated: sorry |
| 22:45.24 | green_earz | Dull404: then use the command > jigdo-lite sarge-i386-1.jigdo in the same foulder as root |
| 22:45.35 | Phated | abrotman: :) |
| 22:45.39 | BrianAnthony | eeyore-: I can't use it at all. I can't turn on any of the lock keys |
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| 22:45.46 | BrianAnthony | It's like completely dead |
| 22:45.52 | PerfDave | Dull404: You do realis with Sarge that you won't have security updates, yes? |
| 22:45.54 | Lestat^O^ | is it a way to symlink a directory with all sub-dir and keep the structure? |
| 22:46.05 | PerfDave | Lestat^O^: Yes, ln |
| 22:46.10 | jannol | how do I use multiple sound in apps as ex. xmms, gaim, xchat |
| 22:46.14 | Dull404 | PerfDave: ok.. so get woody instead? |
| 22:46.23 | PerfDave | Dull404: If you want security updates, yes ;0 |
| 22:46.32 | Blissex | jannol: if you use ALSA: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#sharing |
| 22:46.37 | Blissex | jannol: if you use ALSA: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#appConfig |
| 22:46.41 | jannol | Blissex, thx |
| 22:46.47 | Dull404 | green_earz: maybe i should get woody instead... but should be same procedure... |
| 22:47.06 | green_earz | yes same thing |
| 22:47.07 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: what's in your X config file for "InputDevice", keyboard section? |
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| 22:47.18 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- let me see hold on |
| 22:47.29 | saerdna | hum i apt-get install build-essential but i still cant compile and make menuconfig with kernel |
| 22:48.00 | Lestat^O^ | PerfDave: yes but this doesn't make symlinks into sub-dir... |
| 22:48.09 | green_earz | Dull404: i would go for sarge if its for desktop box |
| 22:48.12 | PerfDave | Lestat^O^: man ln |
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| 22:48.21 | eeyore- | so THAT's how you waste modern CPU cycles |
| 22:48.40 | PerfDave | saerdna: Why are you building your own kernel? |
| 22:48.40 | ericb_ | I'm getting this when trying to configure alsa : depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k6/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o ,,, any hints ? |
| 22:48.42 | Dull404 | green_earz: but once woody is installed i could upgrade to sarge fairly easy? |
| 22:48.48 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- what option do you want to know? |
| 22:48.51 | green_earz | yes |
| 22:48.52 | BrianAnthony | There's a bunch of stuff |
| 22:48.57 | saerdna | PerfDave: why not? |
| 22:49.03 | PerfDave | saerdna: There's no point? |
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| 22:49.09 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: can you /query me? |
| 22:49.16 | saerdna | PerfDave: there is? |
| 22:49.20 | Dull404 | green_earz: this is my first experience with debian so i want to have a stable version.... |
| 22:49.22 | PerfDave | saerdna: What? |
| 22:49.24 | saerdna | i want 2.6.10 |
| 22:49.27 | PerfDave | Dull404: If you're going to upgrade to Sarge from Woody, (a) you'll still get no security updates, (b) you might as well just use the Sarge installer. |
| 22:49.36 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: also, send me the X log file, too |
| 22:49.36 | green_earz | Dull404: but the sarge installer as moved on > better |
| 22:49.47 | Lestat^O^ | PerfDave: I dd read it but didn't find how to do it recursivly... |
| 22:49.49 | PerfDave | saerdna: There's no point ;) |
| 22:49.59 | saerdna | PerfDave: and im on a laptop and need patches etc for some hardware to work |
| 22:50.04 | PerfDave | Lestat^O^: Uhm, you can't recursively create a symlink within a directory. |
| 22:50.04 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- Where is the log? |
| 22:50.08 | green_earz | Dull404: go for sarge for a very stable intro into debian |
| 22:50.09 | BrianAnthony | in /etc/X11? |
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| 22:50.25 | Skaag | any ideas what's up with the 'unstable' distribution? |
| 22:50.31 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, might be under another name, ls -lt /var/log/XF* and pick the most recent one |
| 22:50.32 | PerfDave | Skaag: It's unstable? |
| 22:50.33 | saerdna | PerfDave: just shut your lame mouth. when you learn more about linux you will learn how to compile by your own |
| 22:50.48 | Dull404 | green_earz: but will it be "unsafe" to use sarge until security updates are availible |
| 22:50.48 | PerfDave | saerdna: I know how to compile my own kernels. I also don't need to. |
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| 22:51.00 | PerfDave | saerdna: I was about to tell you how to fix your problem, but y'know, you can go fuck yourself. |
| 22:51.08 | cantona | what is the symbol xxx from modules xxx is unresolved from the log of X |
| 22:51.10 | Dull404 | green_earz: ok |
| 22:51.11 | eeyore- | abrotman: btw, i screwed up. lost my linux partition (and the backup on firewire drive) to XP :-p |
| 22:51.15 | green_earz | Dull404: you be ok |
| 22:51.15 | saerdna | PerfDave: ^^ <3 |
| 22:51.17 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- : um, I'm having a problem because I can't highlight in Nano |
| 22:51.24 | abrotman | eeyore-: ouchie .. |
| 22:51.31 | abrotman | eeyore-: but i thought you were a gentoo guy now |
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| 22:51.34 | eeyore- | abrotman: i should have been paying attention, but wasn't. i deleted the firewire partitions and started to install XP on it ... oops |
| 22:51.50 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's a big "oh shit: |
| 22:51.51 | abrotman | " |
| 22:52.08 | PerfDave | eeyore-: This is why we have backups, right? ;) |
| 22:52.13 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, as it turns out i have to take care of redhat, debian and gentoo :-) nobody knows about gentoo at work, yet ;-) |
| 22:52.26 | eeyore- | PerfDave: riiiiiiight, for me to blow the backup away ;) |
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| 22:52.35 | green_earz | Dull404: so have you downloaded the two jigdo file for sarge ? |
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| 22:52.55 | PerfDave | I had Redhat boxes at work. I took care of them by reinstalling them with Debian ;) |
| 22:52.57 | abrotman | eeyore-: you're bad :) |
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| 22:53.08 | CradleOfFilth` | anyone knows when the gnome 2.10 will be in sid? |
| 22:53.38 | eeyore- | abrotman: fwiw, gentoo is damn fun on dual opteron machine. |
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| 22:53.44 | SlicerDicer- | I am seriously considering replacing one of my gentoo installs with debian. I am just wondering if well... Gentoo it only "Requires" the first disk to install the rest are optional do I need all the debian disks or can I get away with the first one? |
| 22:53.51 | Dull404 | green_earz: yepp. trying this now : jigdo-lite sarge-i386-1.jigdo |
| 22:53.58 | Blissex | SlicerDicer-: first one is OK. |
| 22:53.59 | PerfDave | SlicerDicer-: You only need the first one, or the netinstall CD. Read the Installation Manual. |
| 22:54.02 | green_earz | Dull404: which distro you are using jigdo on ? |
| 22:54.07 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- : is there a way to highlight thigns in nano and append them to the clipboard? |
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| 22:54.15 | blixten | how do i upgrade from stable to unstable ? |
| 22:54.16 | eeyore- | abrotman: i took a short detour to get it in 64-bit, but it's 32-bit now. i have to run some veritas daemon on it and didn't want to chance it with 64-bit linux |
| 22:54.19 | blixten | :\ |
| 22:54.20 | abrotman | eeyore-: i've heard both sides .. a friend got hit by the Siil bug |
| 22:54.21 | SlicerDicer- | Blissex, PerfDave thanks guys :) |
| 22:54.22 | Dull404 | green_earz: its fedora core 3........ |
| 22:54.31 | Dull404 | sick and tired of it... |
| 22:54.47 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: with the mouse, and middle-click to paste |
| 22:54.50 | BrianAnthony | blixten : edit your apt sources and s/stable/tesing or maybe epiremental? or do they have an unstable |
| 22:54.51 | PerfDave | blixten: If you have to ask, you don't want to. |
| 22:54.59 | BrianAnthony | do you have mouse in console? =O |
| 22:54.59 | PerfDave | !tell blixten -about sid faq |
| 22:55.00 | green_earz | Dull404: the net installer should be the best for you as PerfDave said |
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| 22:55.10 | Junior01 | anyone do you know VPS run debian? |
| 22:55.12 | abrotman | eeyore-: but that has nothing to do with gentoo or opteron per se .. |
| 22:55.16 | PerfDave | green_earz: When did I say a net installer was a good idea? I hate netinstallers. |
| 22:55.20 | PerfDave | !full CD advocacy |
| 22:55.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, full cd advocacy is you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. |
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| 22:55.22 | Dull404 | green_earz: is there a netinstall iso for sarge? |
| 22:55.26 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- my mouse doesn't work =S |
| 22:55.40 | green_earz | Dull404: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050211/ |
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| 22:55.48 | blixten | ok thx |
| 22:55.48 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: are you sure you plugged the keyboard in the keyboard port and the mouse in the mouse port? double check. it's very easy to do this |
| 22:55.55 | tarzeau | Junior01: VPS? |
| 22:56.01 | BrianAnthony | Would it pick up in the console? |
| 22:56.01 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: this would fit your symptoms, actually (works in console, not in X) |
| 22:56.02 | BrianAnthony | =S |
| 22:56.07 | BrianAnthony | ohhhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:56.08 | Lestat^O^ | PerfDave: and no way to symlink every file in every sub-dir with keeping structure? |
| 22:56.08 | green_earz | Dull404: sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:56.10 | BrianAnthony | let me see =) |
| 22:56.14 | Dull404 | green_earz: thanks |
| 22:56.21 | green_earz | np |
| 22:56.32 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- It's in the right port |
| 22:56.34 | BrianAnthony | I just checked |
| 22:56.46 | green_earz | Dull404: all the best |
| 22:56.46 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: keyboard = bottom (close to PCB) and mouse = top |
| 22:56.51 | BrianAnthony | and another thing, I had it working before |
| 22:56.55 | PerfDave | Lestat^O^: I don't understand what you're trying to do. When you symlink a directory, you can't symlink the files underneath it because the directory effectively *is* the target and you'd be symlinking stuff to itself. |
| 22:57.00 | BrianAnthony | without changing the port |
| 22:57.07 | mlalkaka | chealer, which /etc/rc* should i use for a mounting script? |
| 22:57.09 | gilles | can I connect to a distant computer that is behind a NAT just by knowing its ip and inet address, despite its 22 port isn't redirected on the NAT ? |
| 22:57.14 | Junior01 | tarzeau i want to hire un virtual private network that run debian |
| 22:57.17 | chealer | mlalkaka: two |
| 22:57.24 | Dull404 | green_earz: but would be nice to have sarge dvd.... "just feels safe" ;) |
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| 22:57.34 | BrianAnthony | What hapened was, I had a horrible 800x600 resolution |
| 22:57.39 | PerfDave | gilles: No |
| 22:57.46 | PerfDave | gilles: Well, not on port 22 anyway |
| 22:57.49 | green_earz | Dull404: are you are dsl user ? |
| 22:57.56 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: show me the following (dcc?) (1) x config file, (2) x log file, and (3) output of "dmesg" command |
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| 22:58.08 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: you can put them up on a web server somewhere if you can't dcc |
| 22:58.18 | mlalkaka | chealer, what was the script you told me to run again? |
| 22:58.18 | BrianAnthony | I'll put them on my server |
| 22:58.25 | Dull404 | green_earz: dsl? i think so.. 2mbit download = 250KB /s |
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| 22:58.30 | chealer | mlalkaka: update-rc.d |
| 22:58.33 | eeyore- | abrotman: btw, what's "siil" bug? |
| 22:58.48 | elephantman | How can i move all files under dir/ (with unlimited subdir) to dir2/ ? |
| 22:58.51 | mlalkaka | chealer, does it require any parameters? |
| 22:58.54 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- : where is the log file? |
| 22:58.55 | PerfDave | elephantman: man mv |
| 22:58.56 | abrotman | eeyore-: something between siil controller and some early sata drives .. data corruption |
| 22:58.57 | RuKK | hey guys. I'm running debian sarge with a 2.4.27-1-i386 kernel with a nvidia video card and nvidia driveres. If I update my kernel-image and kernel sources to 2.6.8-2-k7 with dpkg, is there anything I need to do other than reboot? and, should I do this? I'm doing it because my system is rather unresponsive considering the hardware specs. |
| 22:59.03 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: /var/log/X* |
| 22:59.04 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 751] by debhelper |
| 22:59.12 | eeyore- | abrotman: ah, i thought so |
| 22:59.13 | PerfDave | RuKK: How did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 22:59.14 | vulture | RuKK: yeah, you'll need to rebuild the nvidia drivers |
| 22:59.16 | green_earz | Dull404: you will have no problem at all with building debian on line with your connection |
| 22:59.18 | BrianAnthony | and can I echo the output of the program into a text file? |
| 22:59.23 | RuKK | PerfDave: with dpkg. |
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| 22:59.28 | PerfDave | RuKK: How with dpkg? |
| 22:59.31 | Klebel | is there an app to configure my speaker configuration? |
| 22:59.33 | RuKK | apt-get? |
| 22:59.34 | vulture | RuKK: where did you get the deb to install with dpkg? |
| 22:59.38 | Klebel | so i can get surround and such |
| 22:59.50 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm experimenting with "dm" and "dm-snapshot" target, but just my luck i'm trying it out on a firewire drive and it's (dm/dm-snapshot) not very happy |
| 22:59.56 | PerfDave | RuKK: What did you apt-get? |
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| 22:59.57 | abrotman | eeyore-: kind of freaky .. and there doesn't appear to be a decent workaround .. the current fix kills performance |
| 22:59.59 | RuKK | http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ |
| 23:00.00 | Dull404 | green_earz: oki good :P how about selecting mirrors? are they "defined" in the iso.. or should i write some down? local ftps... |
| 23:00.11 | PerfDave | RuKK: I'm sure you didn't apt-get an entire repository. |
| 23:00.15 | eeyore- | abrotman: if i use the firewire drive on its own, no problem. try to stick dm on top of that and i get sporadic disconnect (and hangs the driver) |
| 23:00.31 | abrotman | eeyore-: lovely ... |
| 23:00.34 | green_earz | Dull404: the installer will look after your needs for apt-get mirrors |
| 23:00.34 | Blissex | RuKK: 2.6.x will not be that much more responsive than 2.4.x |
| 23:00.45 | Blissex | RuKK: if at all. |
| 23:00.50 | PerfDave | RuKK: You'll need nvidia drivers which match the kernel you're running. The easiest way to do this is to use module-assistant, as described in the URL given by "/msg dpkg nvidia-howto" |
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| 23:01.01 | Blissex | RuKK: if you want responsive, probably some configuration needs changing. |
| 23:01.03 | RuKK | PerfDave: nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-386, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-source are the packages I installed |
| 23:01.04 | Dull404 | green_earz: great, suits me nice :) i've been using linux for 3weeks now hehe |
| 23:01.05 | PerfDave | Blissex: On a desktop? And k7 optimised instead of i386? |
| 23:01.14 | eeyore- | abrotman: ya. that sucks because i don't have room for internal expansion in my myth box. so if i want to do dm to grow the recording partition it'll have to be via firewire |
| 23:01.15 | zOap | I need some help, if someone can. I had some trouble with alsa(in testing), so I removed it and installed it all over. But now he says he can't find the alsa-modules. I tried to install it, but got message that Alsa-modules refferred to alsa-base, which I have installed... Anyone know what to do? |
| 23:01.28 | PerfDave | Blissex: 2.6 seems to be a lot more responsive on desktops for me than 2.4, just less stable. |
| 23:01.29 | abrotman | eeyore-: how about usb? |
| 23:01.36 | green_earz | Dull404: and you are like all this free software ???? yeeesssss |
| 23:01.36 | jordo23 | #roto |
| 23:01.41 | eeyore- | abrotman: i doubt it has the bandwidth... (usb) |
| 23:01.46 | Blissex | PerfDave: I have found that 2.6.x can be sometimes workse than 2.4.x, in particular with disk thruput... but depends a lot on configuration. |
| 23:01.49 | RuKK | Blissex: any ideas what I could do to make my system perform a little better then? It takes me 5-10 seconds just to open firefox, for example.. |
| 23:01.53 | abrotman | eeyore-: usb2 is 480Mbps |
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| 23:01.58 | RuKK | I'm running a 2ghz athlon with 512 of DDR. |
| 23:02.09 | abrotman | eeyore-: theoretical anyways .. and firewire1 is 400Mbps |
| 23:02.10 | PerfDave | RuKK: One thing to check is that your drives have DMA enabled - use hdparm to check this. |
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| 23:02.16 | BrianAnthony | how do I append the results of dmesg to a file? |
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| 23:02.26 | elephantman | PerfDave: ok but doesn't help |
| 23:02.28 | PerfDave | RuKK: Check how much RAM / swap you're using, with "top". See if anything's eating a lot of CPU or RAM. |
| 23:02.29 | RuKK | PerfDave: done, and I've benchmarked them as well. I'm pulling a easy 55mb/sec off either. |
| 23:02.29 | saerdna | BrianAnthony: dmesg > file |
| 23:02.32 | Phated | BrianAnthony: dmesg >> filename. |
| 23:02.36 | Dull404 | green_earz: i want the best ;) |
| 23:02.36 | eeyore- | abrotman: suppose i could try usb. i have one here that has dual firewire/usb option |
| 23:02.45 | Phated | BrianAnthony: Do you mean append, or redirect? |
| 23:02.49 | PerfDave | elephantman: Then read it again ;) |
| 23:02.49 | RuKK | PerfDave: done, and nothing really is. |
| 23:02.56 | eeyore- | abrotman: i like firewire since i can daisy-chain it |
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| 23:03.02 | valdyn | RuKK: firefox could be preloaded iirc |
| 23:03.07 | Dull404 | green_earz: been using windooze since '93 now its.. time to move on :P |
| 23:03.09 | abrotman | eeyore-: i'd like one of those .. the usb/firewire drives |
| 23:03.10 | Babbage | PerfDave> thought I recognised your nick |
| 23:03.10 | Blissex | RuKK: 5-10 seconds to open Firefox is pretty fast. |
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| 23:03.22 | RuKK | :/ |
| 23:03.24 | tarzeau | Blissex: horrible slow! |
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| 23:03.26 | PerfDave | Babbage: Hello :) |
| 23:03.34 | PerfDave | Babbage: This is where I spend my free time. Amn't I cool? |
| 23:03.36 | green_earz | Dull404: debian the heart to free software |
| 23:03.39 | Blissex | RuKK: I have an Athlon 2000+ and 512Mb and it takes me longer... |
| 23:03.42 | incorrect | has anyone set up hardware monitoring on dell equipment? |
| 23:03.43 | PerfDave | elephantman: Look for the "recursive" option. |
| 23:03.47 | RuKK | Blissex: weird :\ |
| 23:03.48 | tarzeau | Blissex: that's like you want to honk, and if you press, it takes 5-10 seconds until you hear something |
| 23:03.51 | RuKK | it was instant in slackware 10 |
| 23:03.58 | tazle | where is the default session for xdm set? |
| 23:03.59 | Babbage | PerfDave> Don't worry, I'm as sad as you |
| 23:04.02 | eeyore- | 2 seconds to open firefox here |
| 23:04.06 | Babbage | PerfDave> ...probably |
| 23:04.08 | RuKK | I really like debian, but slackware seems so much faster :( |
| 23:04.10 | tazle | apparently installing KDE changed it, but I can't find where |
| 23:04.10 | tarzeau | Blissex: omg you've got a supercomputer |
| 23:04.12 | zinx | firefox is already open, here |
| 23:04.12 | elephantman | PerfDave: yes but -r will copy directories - I need to copy only the files |
| 23:04.12 | Blissex | tarzeau: Firefox comes in a lot of files, When loading it the disk goes crazy. |
| 23:04.14 | digital__ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 23:04.20 | elephantman | PerfDave: my question was ambiguous |
| 23:04.22 | valdyn | RuKK: apt-get install prelink |
| 23:04.25 | tarzeau | Blissex: it's a horrible browser, i agree |
| 23:04.33 | RuKK | valdyn: whats that? |
| 23:04.36 | PerfDave | elephantman: Hang on, you want to copy every file within a directory structure to *one* folder? What about duplicate filenames? |
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| 23:04.41 | Dull404 | green_earz: yeah. i tried fedora, mandrake, suse... but all i got was rpm conflicts.. after just a week |
| 23:04.41 | Blissex | tarzeau: it is good, but like all big packages it comes in lots of little bits. |
| 23:04.55 | Babbage | elephantman> What are you really trying to do? |
| 23:04.58 | tarzeau | Blissex: i would've called it UglyElephant |
| 23:04.59 | valdyn | RuKK: prelinks your binaries, makes them load faster, many distros have that enabled by default |
| 23:05.03 | elephantman | PerfDave: yes (duplicated filename is no problem if overwrite is prompted) |
| 23:05.08 | Blissex | RuKK: Debian is about as fast as Slackware... |
| 23:05.12 | valdyn | RuKK: which is one point why they seem faster |
| 23:05.15 | tarzeau | Blissex: i've seen people with more fire in their ass |
| 23:05.22 | RuKK | valdyn: is there anything I need to do to configure that or just install it? |
| 23:05.32 | PerfDave | RuKK: Install a k7-optimised kernel, and libc6-i686 |
| 23:05.35 | Dull404 | *burning sarge netinstall cd iso* |
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| 23:05.49 | elephantman | Babbage: move all files under /dir , even is they are in subdirectories, to a new dir - getting rid of the directory structure |
| 23:05.51 | RuKK | PerfDave: ok, will do. and I'll just ahve to reinstall my nvidia drivers and it'll work? |
| 23:05.59 | eeyore- | abrotman: i just built a demo machine at work. athlon64 4000+, msi k8n neo2 platinum, dual channel corsair pro (with led, go figure) 1GB, overclockers power supply, lian li aluminum case (the v1200b one) ... the thing is FAAAAST |
| 23:06.03 | valdyn | RuKK: not sure, i believe it will prelink everything w/o your interaction |
| 23:06.03 | PerfDave | RuKK: Yes, best way to do it is to use module-assistant IMHO. |
| 23:06.12 | Blissex | PerfDave: that is going to help a bit, but not a lot... Otherwise Gentoo would be a part good idea. |
| 23:06.12 | eeyore- | abrotman: i love the new company :) they let me have fun with their money |
| 23:06.23 | green_earz | Dull404: apt-get the package maniagement tool looks atfer package dependies. sorry for my poor spelling |
| 23:06.29 | abrotman | eeyore-: you mean 3000+ ? |
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| 23:06.35 | eeyore- | abrotman: no, 4000+ |
| 23:06.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: so hire me already :) |
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| 23:06.47 | eeyore- | abrotman: the cpu alone is like $619 |
| 23:06.49 | PerfDave | Blissex: Kernel and libc are two things which do make a difference. Gentoo goes wrong in compiling *everything* :) |
| 23:06.56 | RuKK | PerfDave: what exactly is the module-assistant? :\ |
| 23:07.05 | bosartig | is there a way for me to get back to this channel without gui? |
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| 23:07.11 | Blissex | PerfDave: yes, but even kernel and libc dont make a lot of difference :-). |
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| 23:07.15 | Dull404 | green_earz: i know, that IS great... i dont spell so good myself either. i speak swedish.... |
| 23:07.17 | eeyore- | abrotman: as i was putting it together i was like, man, don't let me burn this baby up :-) LOL |
| 23:07.17 | PerfDave | bosartig: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 23:07.25 | abrotman | eeyore-: yeah .. i know what you mean |
| 23:07.29 | Blissex | bosartig: yes, there are lots of text-only IRC clients... |
| 23:07.36 | bosartig | (i have to put my other hdd in to boot debian) |
| 23:07.38 | bosartig | thanks |
| 23:07.58 | Babbage | elephantman> Everything into the *same* directory? |
| 23:08.00 | PerfDave | RuKK: It's a piece of software which will do all the downloading and compiling you need to get the nvidia drivers (and other third-party stuff) working with your new kernel with a minimum of effort on your part. |
| 23:08.07 | eeyore- | abrotman: the remarkable thing is, it runs very very cool. the output air from the case/blower is very cool. surprising. |
| 23:08.16 | green_earz | Dull404: do not forget the MD5SUMS test if you can but if not all should be ok |
| 23:08.21 | valdyn | RuKK: in case no one told you yet: apt-get install libc6-i686 |
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| 23:08.33 | BrianAnthony | damnit damnit |
| 23:08.39 | PerfDave | Blissex: Noticable, IME. |
| 23:08.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: i've found that to be the case with any machine that is well laid out .. i had a Dual PIII w/SCSI that blew cold air |
| 23:08.40 | BrianAnthony | what si the FTP commadn to move a file |
| 23:08.43 | RuKK | valdyn: alright, is that for the 2.6.x kernel only? or just in general? |
| 23:08.48 | BrianAnthony | I didn't uipload in public_html |
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| 23:09.05 | PerfDave | RuKK: libc6-i686 is for i686 or better CPUs only ;) |
| 23:09.09 | elephantman | Babbage: into a new dir |
| 23:09.17 | valdyn | RuKK: in general |
| 23:09.20 | BrianAnthony | can you move files with FTP? |
| 23:09.24 | PerfDave | elephantman: You can probably do what you want with a combination of "find" and "mv -i" |
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| 23:09.33 | RuKK | valdyn: also, I installed prelink, and it doesnt prelink binaries automaticaly, but should I pass it prelink -all to link all my binaries? |
| 23:09.35 | bosartig | jeez. i just printed a BOOK about ffglrx. lol |
| 23:09.40 | eeyore- | abrotman: we were demo'ing fastsim on it, and we booted linux (ARM linux) and symbian developer's desktop on it, and we get full interactivity on it (we're doing realtime binary translation, we translate from ARM instructions to x86 and execute the translated instructions, like transmeta) |
| 23:09.43 | valdyn | RuKK: yea |
| 23:10.03 | green_earz | Dull404: are you installing debian on a spare box ? if you can its makes life a bit safer untill you get a feel for the installer |
| 23:10.09 | Babbage | elephantman> find /dir -print | while read filename; do cp "$filename" /destination/"$(basename $filename)"; done |
| 23:10.10 | elephantman | Babbage: in human format it would be like "open all thoses boxes, take their contents and put all the result in a new box |
| 23:10.12 | abrotman | eeyore-: this sounds ... creepy :) |
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| 23:10.43 | elephantman | Babbage: wow impresive - thanx a lot i am gonna try |
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| 23:10.51 | Babbage | elephantman> That will work unless any of the files have names with linefeds in |
| 23:10.59 | Dull404 | green_earz: nope. i only got one computer |
| 23:11.02 | Babbage | linefeeds, rather |
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| 23:11.19 | RuKK | ok its complaining that it cant find all the dependencies for firefox, openoffice, and a few others. |
| 23:11.20 | eeyore- | abrotman: ya, no shit :-) on linux (emulated) we could log in, ls, run top, etc. and it feels like my PIII desktop :-) i swear. the symbian demo, we're almost real-time on that one. you can see the clock tick second-by-second almost in sync with wall clock |
| 23:11.24 | Dull404 | green_earz: burning done. thanks for your help *booting now* cya |
| 23:11.29 | Babbage | elephantman> The command I gave you *copies* the files, which gives you a chance to check... |
| 23:11.33 | green_earz | Dull404: ok |
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| 23:11.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's what happens when you get nice hardware :) |
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| 23:11.52 | elephantman | Babbage: i was needing "copy" so thats great |
| 23:11.54 | manduca | I upgraded to the testing distribution a few weeks ago (i386), and have a problem on restart. On shutdown the machine freezes on "deconfiguring network interfaces" ... I added -v to the /init.d/networking ifdown line, and discovered that it freezes after "pump -i eth0 -r" ... any suggestions? |
| 23:12.00 | elephantman | PerfDave: thanks too |
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| 23:13.00 | eeyore- | manduca: ya. use dhcpcd instead of pump |
| 23:13.01 | mlalkaka | chealer, thanks for your help. i found the update-rc.d parameters. :) |
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| 23:13.13 | Babbage | How do I get make-kpgs to pass -j2 to Make? |
| 23:13.16 | Babbage | doh |
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| 23:13.23 | toubsu | what is the /dev name for a SATA raid? |
| 23:13.32 | eeyore- | manduca: or maybe wait a bit. does it look to you like pump is trying to return the dhcp lease? |
| 23:13.34 | PerfDave | elephantman: find source/ -type f -exec mv -i {} dest/ \; |
| 23:13.54 | eeyore- | Babbage: export MAKEFLAGS="-j2" |
| 23:13.58 | cthulfuego | toubsu: If it uses a shitty software driver, don't. |
| 23:14.10 | toubsu | cthulfuego: hardware raid |
| 23:14.11 | cthulfuego | toubsu: Use the kernel software raid system and /dev/md* |
| 23:14.12 | Babbage | elephantman> PerfDave is right. You need to use "-type f" as well in there. Silly me. |
| 23:14.17 | RuKK | valdyn: whats it mean when prelink says not enough room to add .dynamic entry? :X |
| 23:14.23 | cthulfuego | toubsu: What hardware raid? |
| 23:14.23 | RuKK | I have lots of hard drive space.. |
| 23:14.25 | Babbage | eeyore-> Simple and direct. Thanks. |
| 23:14.32 | elephantman | PerfDave: thanx a lot |
| 23:14.36 | PerfDave | elephantman: No worries. |
| 23:14.38 | toubsu | cthulfuego: motherboard raid |
| 23:14.38 | elephantman | Babbage: oki |
| 23:14.48 | cthulfuego | toubsu: That's is "shitty software raid". |
| 23:15.02 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- :pm for this URI? |
| 23:15.05 | manduca | I tried dhcpcd initially (when I installed with the stable release), and had trouble getting the network to work. Thus I switched to pump. |
| 23:15.09 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: sure |
| 23:15.25 | cthulfuego | toubsu: Hardware sata raid costs *more* than your mobo and cpu combined. |
| 23:15.31 | valdyn | RuKK: maybe you dont |
| 23:15.33 | manduca | it freezes on that pump line and stays there. The odd thing is that if I do ifdown -a, it works just fine. |
| 23:15.41 | eeyore- | one of these days i have to rewrite an all-in-one dhcp/dns with dynamic update. does anyone know an existing software for that? |
| 23:15.58 | RuKK | valdyn: df -h says I have 11gbs free on / and 22gbs free on /home :X |
| 23:16.11 | Babbage | eeyore-> Actually it doesn't work. Apparently I need to setr CONCURRENCY_LEVEL instead |
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| 23:16.30 | toubsu | cthulfuego: so go raidless? |
| 23:16.47 | toubsu | cthulfuego: and if so are they just /dev/sda devices then? |
| 23:16.50 | eeyore- | Babbage: oh? hmm, could be make-kpkg unset MAKEFLAGS |
| 23:16.59 | valdyn | RuKK: from the readme: prelink --all --conserve-memory --random |
| 23:16.59 | cthulfuego | toubsu: Use the kernel solution if you really want raid. |
| 23:17.01 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- Hey man I'll be back in 5 minutes going for a ciggerette. please don't leave me :'( =P |
| 23:17.04 | eeyore- | Babbage: in any event, you ought to be able to just edit eh kernel's top-level makefile ;-) |
| 23:17.40 | toubsu | cthulfuego: what if i lose the OS? |
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| 23:17.43 | cthulfuego | toubsu: You can use the sarge installer to set up sw raid1 via the md driver. That works fine and is probably more secure AND faster than the mobo 'raid' controller. |
| 23:17.57 | manduca | I'm behind a router, if that makes a difference. |
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| 23:20.43 | RuKK | thats more like it :D |
| 23:20.46 | RuKK | thanks guys |
| 23:20.53 | RuKK | firefox is about 2-3 seconds to load now |
| 23:21.00 | RuKK | same with thunderbird which used to take 20 seconds |
| 23:21.02 | cthulfuego | Sheesh. upgrade your cpu. |
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| 23:21.08 | RuKK | dude, I have a freaking 2ghz athlon.. |
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| 23:21.21 | cthulfuego | See, that's yer problem right there. |
| 23:21.29 | valdyn | RuKK: what all did you do to speed up things? |
| 23:21.33 | cthulfuego | It takes under 1 second on an Athlon64 ;-) |
| 23:21.36 | RuKK | just setup prelink |
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| 23:21.42 | RuKK | and prelink -all :) |
| 23:22.04 | valdyn | i see, i dont use it, first startup was ~3 sec |
| 23:22.09 | vibey | dpkg accused me of smoke crack |
| 23:22.09 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, vibey |
| 23:22.09 | PerfDave | What's the downside of using prelink? |
| 23:22.10 | vibey | asshole |
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| 23:22.24 | valdyn | PerfDave: it can break some applications |
| 23:22.26 | RuKK | PerfDave: thats what I'm wondering |
| 23:22.26 | vibey | s/smoke/smoking/g |
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| 23:22.30 | PerfDave | valdyn: Such as? |
| 23:22.35 | cthulfuego | vibey: Sounds to me like dpkg was right. |
| 23:22.43 | valdyn | PerfDave: cedega ( I dont know about wine ) |
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| 23:22.52 | RuKK | oh :\ |
| 23:22.52 | RuKK | hrm |
| 23:22.53 | valdyn | PerfDave: but it has a blacklist so uh, that can be worked around |
| 23:22.56 | RuKK | I'll have to un-prelink that |
| 23:22.59 | cthulfuego | prelink can break stuff and it uses more space on disk, i believe (or was that more ram?) |
| 23:23.01 | vibey | cthulfuego: its been a couple years.. i figured all traces would be gone by now |
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| 23:23.14 | PerfDave | valdyn: Fair enough. I don't use cedega ;) |
| 23:23.49 | walnuck | anyone can tell me what I can use to test further, apparently I've been doing alot of mounting and I'm able to delete directories with ownership made only for root |
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| 23:23.56 | RuKK | cedega 4.2 still working fine for me :) |
| 23:23.59 | RuKK | with no changes after prelink -all |
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| 23:24.52 | RuKK | I'll test how its performance is. |
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| 23:25.10 | Rhubarb2 | question: if I may? ..... what Debian package do I need to install to be able to playback XXX.asf files |
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| 23:25.32 | saerdna | wintendo |
| 23:25.38 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- Did you look over the files? |
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| 23:26.21 | vibey | Rhubarb2: mplayer xine avifile-player |
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| 23:26.50 | valdyn | RuKK: read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/prelink/ btw |
| 23:27.13 | RuKK | whoa. cedega is faster :D |
| 23:27.22 | RuKK | valdyn: will do, thanks |
| 23:27.43 | Klebel | Rhubarb2: apt-get install w32codecs |
| 23:27.52 | Rhubarb2 | vibey: mplayer / xine is installed .... however the applications complain that there is no .asf player plug-in |
| 23:27.59 | humbolt | is there a relation between egroupware and phpgroupware |
| 23:28.20 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: yes, and unfortunately i didn't see anything obviously wrong |
| 23:28.21 | Rhubarb2 | Klebel: ^^ ... looks good thankies |
| 23:28.55 | eeyore- | BrianAnthony: do you have a logitech combo keyboard/mouse? |
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| 23:29.21 | baikonur | hi |
| 23:29.28 | drasko | hi |
| 23:30.12 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- no |
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| 23:30.34 | baikonur | what's apache-perl or apache-ssl for if apache-common can serve the same functionallity via modules? |
| 23:30.45 | Bac9 | how do I get spellcheck to work in abiword? |
| 23:31.18 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 23:31.57 | BrianAnthony | eeyore, lik eI said it was working |
| 23:32.08 | BrianAnthony | DO you think it could at all be a problem with the video driver? |
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| 23:33.39 | manduca | So, should I try to configure dhcp and use that instead of pump, or is there a way to figure out what's going wrong with pump? And/or do I even need dhcp/pump if I'm behind a router (with a cable modem)? |
| 23:33.40 | Rhubarb2 | nope .... :/ .... apt-get install w32codecs = "Couldn't find package w32codecs" ..... any more advice on the playback of .asf files please? (Xine/mplayer complain that there is no codec) |
| 23:33.45 | SARGE-122 | hi |
| 23:34.19 | SARGE-122 | how can i reconfigure my monitor settings i only have 800*600 thats not enough |
| 23:34.31 | PerfDave | SARGE-122: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:34.38 | SARGE-122 | thx |
| 23:34.55 | BrianAnthony | SARGE-122 BECAREFUL =p |
| 23:34.55 | PerfDave | Rhubarb2: They're not in the standard debian repositories for patent reasons. /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 23:35.10 | BrianAnthony | eeyore- do you think it could be a problem with the driver? |
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| 23:35.24 | PerfDave | manduca: If you want to use DHCP, you need a DHCP client of some kind. |
| 23:35.32 | Bac9 | manduca: what's wrong with pump? you probably need something like it to get an ip from your router |
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| 23:36.04 | manduca | Pump is running fine except that it seems to hang on shutdown. |
| 23:36.33 | Bac9 | manduca: you sure it's pump? mine works just fine |
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| 23:37.25 | manduca | No, not sure it's pump ... on shutdown after the "deconfiguring network interfaces" line (once I made ifdown output verbose) the last line printed before it hangs is "pump -i eth0 -r" |
| 23:37.35 | Cybodog | stupid question I can not find the answer to: gdm-2.6.0.6-1: where does this thing get it's sessions from? NOT /etc/gdm/sessions as there is nothing there |
| 23:38.11 | Babbage | Cybodog> gnome-session ? |
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| 23:38.30 | Cybodog | Babbage, looking |
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| 23:38.49 | Bac9 | manduca: maybe it hangs on the operation right after that line? |
| 23:39.00 | walnuck | l |
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| 23:39.39 | manduca | Bac9: Could be ... how would I find what the next line was? |
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| 23:40.03 | Bac9 | manduca: trace the scripts and find out where i'ts hanging |
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| 23:40.08 | PerfDave | How do I create a partition that parted / qtparted can resize? |
| 23:40.09 | Cybodog | Babbage, I dont think so, gnome session is for the user, gdm is system wide |
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| 23:40.24 | amahbod | hello all. |
| 23:40.40 | amahbod | how can i set it up so that i can listen to more than two things at once |
| 23:40.52 | amahbod | (like have two programs open that can use my sound card) |
| 23:40.58 | PerfDave | amahbod: What sound system are you using? |
| 23:41.15 | amahbod | PerfDave, what is a sound system? |
| 23:41.36 | amahbod | PerfDave, like software? |
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| 23:41.53 | PerfDave | amahbod: Are you using OSS or ALSA? aRts? ESD? What soundcard have you got? |
| 23:41.58 | shek | how do I make my usb key drive bootable? I want to install sarge over the network but to get it started I need to make my key drive bootable, and I only have 1 ide chain with the hard drive on it |
| 23:42.06 | amahbod | PerfDave, whatever was precompiled into the 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 23:42.15 | amahbod | perfdave, any way i can check? |
| 23:42.49 | PerfDave | amahbod: If "lsmod | grep snd" shows lots of snd_ modules, you're using ALSA, which is what I'd expect. |
| 23:43.29 | PerfDave | shek: Is there anything about it in the Sarge Installation Manual? |
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| 23:44.10 | shek | when I googled it , it gave me a hit on how to install sarge using a usb key , I followed the steps and it didnt work |
| 23:44.15 | amahbod | ok |
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| 23:44.28 | PerfDave | shek: Are you sure your BIOS supports booting from USB key, and has been configured to do so? |
| 23:44.34 | shek | yes |
| 23:44.36 | amahbod | PerfDave, it doesnt show any "asla" things |
| 23:44.45 | shek | it has a usb key and a usb hdd option |
| 23:45.00 | PerfDave | amahbod: If "lsmod | grep snd" shows lots of snd_ modules, you're using ALSA, which is what I'd expect. |
| 23:45.15 | amahbod | i see a bunch of snd_ things |
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| 23:45.18 | amahbod | but if i do |
| 23:45.23 | PerfDave | amahbod: Then you're using ALSA, which is what I'd expect. |
| 23:45.33 | BrianAnthony | where is my apt-sources list? |
| 23:45.36 | PerfDave | amahbod: Now, what applications are you trying to use to play sound, and what soundcard do you have? |
| 23:45.39 | PerfDave | !faq BrianAnthony |
| 23:45.40 | dpkg | BrianAnthony: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 23:45.53 | amahbod | PerfDave, two instances of xmms |
| 23:45.54 | Babbage | Drat. There's no way to get "find -printf" to print the basename of the file. What a solly omission. |
| 23:46.15 | PerfDave | amahbod: What is configured as the output plugin for xmms? |
| 23:46.35 | hackeron | what are .sig files like bison-2.0.tar.gz.sig and how do I use them? |
| 23:46.39 | amahbod | PerfDave, and i have a cmedia CM8738 sound card |
| 23:47.00 | amahbod | PerfDave, output plugin is OSS driver 1.2.10 |
| 23:47.03 | PerfDave | hackeron: At a guess, they're detached OpenPGP signature files. You use them with GnuPG or PGP. |
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| 23:47.07 | Babbage | hackeron> They're signature fiels, allowing the package to be verified as being authentic. You verify them with gpg |
| 23:47.11 | PerfDave | amahbod: First off, try selecting the ALSA output driver. |
| 23:47.16 | Cybodog | cybodog answer as per #gnome /usr/share/Xsessions |
| 23:47.21 | Babbage | PerfDave> yup, generated with "gpg -b". |
| 23:47.37 | Cybodog | could not find that documented in ANY doc with debian, how frustrating |
| 23:47.40 | hackeron | Babbage: PerfDave: but a gpg signature is readable. This one just has binary data in the file, is that normal? |
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| 23:47.49 | circus-lo | can anybody help me install linux on my axim x3 |
| 23:47.49 | Babbage | hackeron> Yes. |
| 23:47.56 | amahbod | PerfDave, it gives me an error when i try to play a song with the ASLA driver |
| 23:47.58 | PerfDave | hackeron: Uhm, no, a GPG signature is only readable if you generate an ASCII-armoured version. |
| 23:48.04 | PerfDave | amahbod: What error does it give you? |
| 23:48.29 | Babbage | hackeron> It's a side effect of uploading things to ftp.gnu.org. The upload robot requires a detached binary signature (plus a directive file which is not installed on the ftp site) |
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| 23:49.16 | amahbod | PerfDave, "Couldn't open audio" please check that: your soundcard is configured properly you have the correct output plugin selected No other program is blocking the sound card |
| 23:49.20 | torbjorn2 | under /proc/pidnr/fd i see three symbolic links, 0,1 and 2. it was my impression that these are the three streams STDIN, STDOUT and STDERR. however i cannot read from them, only write to them, and when i do, output appear in the terminal in question. |
| 23:49.25 | paulswm | Babbage: find . -printf '%f\n' gives the basename for example |
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| 23:49.27 | shek | for a net install what .iso file do I copy to my usb key drive ? |
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| 23:49.57 | hackeron | Babbage: so how do I use the .sig file to verify if file downloaded correctly? |
| 23:50.19 | Babbage | hackeron> hang on I'll try one here |
| 23:50.20 | PerfDave | amahbod: Try closing one instance of xmms, for starters. |
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| 23:50.25 | hackeron | Babbage: thanks |
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| 23:50.28 | amahbod | PerfDave, still does not work |
| 23:50.44 | PerfDave | amahbod: You're sure you selected ALSA, not aRts or anything? |
| 23:50.51 | amahbod | PerfDave, i do not think that i have asla. |
| 23:51.05 | Babbage | hackeron> "gpg --verify foo.sig" |
| 23:51.11 | amahbod | PerfDave, but yes i selected the asla driver. |
| 23:51.16 | amahbod | PerfDave, in XMMS |
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| 23:51.29 | hackeron | Babbage: hmm, says gpg: failed to create temporary file `/root/.gnupg/.#lk0x80f001c.multimedia.902': No such file or directory |
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| 23:51.35 | Babbage | You need to have access to the public signature of the developer |
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| 23:51.47 | jackrabbit | can anyone tell what the go is with USB and 2.2? |
| 23:51.51 | hackeron | Babbage: ? |
| 23:52.06 | NathanW | I'm trying to install ircd-hybrid |
| 23:52.07 | Babbage | hackeron> Have you used "su" rather than "su -" ? |
| 23:52.13 | NathanW | It was previously installed, then removed |
| 23:52.16 | hackeron | Babbage: no |
| 23:52.24 | NathanW | And now installing it won't put in the configuration files in /etc |
| 23:52.25 | PerfDave | amahbod: But you had the snd_ modules, right? |
| 23:52.32 | jackrabbit | does debian 2.2 support usb ? |
| 23:52.47 | abrotman | jackrabbit: you mean kernel2.2 ? |
| 23:52.48 | speedy | i decided to use exim, and i'm wondering whats the best pop3 server that is capable of handling mysql authentication for virtual domains with SSL ? |
| 23:52.50 | amahbod | PerfDave, about 10 snd_ entries |
| 23:52.53 | PerfDave | jackrabbit: Debian 2.2, or kernel 2.2? |
| 23:52.57 | chfn | URGENT: Hi guys, I need to encode a lot of audio cdrom to MP3 but ... I'm using SID because I help a lot KDE(bugs) and XIMIAN but my libs for encode/rip is SUX. I need some mirror of liblame, libogg working! |
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| 23:53.08 | jackrabbit | sorry Debian 3.0 |
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| 23:53.18 | jackrabbit | PerfDave |
| 23:53.27 | PerfDave | jackrabbit: USB support is dependent on your kernel, not your distribution. |
| 23:53.30 | abrotman | jackrabbit: uname -r |
| 23:53.37 | Babbage | hackeron> Does /root/.gnupg exist? |
| 23:53.38 | PerfDave | jackrabbit: Debian 3.0 supports USB with 2.4 kernels, I'm not sure about 2.2 |
| 23:53.52 | PerfDave | chfn: marillat may have mp3 encoders, or just use Ogg Vorbis. |
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| 23:54.05 | kaplanfx | why does the gnome meta package install mozilla? |
| 23:54.08 | hackeron | Babbage: well, created, but now it says: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
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| 23:54.10 | scarynetworkguy | 2.2 has mouse and keyboard support if you have a late enough one. Otherwise no. |
| 23:54.16 | jackrabbit | my kernel is 2.4 |
| 23:54.17 | abrotman | kaplanfx: ask the packagers |
| 23:54.27 | abrotman | jackrabbit: uname -r |
| 23:54.29 | kaplanfx | abrotman: I was hoping they would be here |
| 23:54.32 | chfn | PerfDave, ogg vorbis is not working too. I use marillat for mplayer but i will search for other encoders there too. thanks for now |
| 23:54.33 | Babbage | hackeron> which packages? |
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| 23:54.38 | Babbage | hackeron> which package are you verifying? |
| 23:54.39 | jackrabbit | abrotman: thats what I did |
| 23:54.48 | abrotman | jackrabbit: no you didn't `uname -r` |
| 23:54.54 | PerfDave | chfn: What do you mean, "is not working"? |
| 23:55.00 | hackeron | Babbage: bison-2.0.tar.gz |
| 23:55.01 | abrotman | kaplanfx: #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 23:55.07 | brynjarh | kaplanfx: Epiphany depends on the mozilla package. |
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| 23:55.10 | PerfDave | amahbod: As far as I can tell, you have ALSA. Are you using KDE or Gnome or something? |
| 23:55.12 | kaplanfx | abrotman: are there some smaller gnome meta packages (equiv to like kdebase?) rather than installing the entire thing? |
| 23:55.14 | amahbod | PerfDave, snd_seq_oss, snd_seq_midi_event, snd_seq, snd_pcm_oss, snd_mixer_oss, snd_cmipci, snd_cmipci, snd_op13_lib, snd_hwdep, snd_mpu401_uart, snd_rawmidi |
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| 23:55.20 | kaplanfx | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:55.22 | now3d | hi, i am thinking of getting a new pc for debian sarge testing.. I wonder if anyone knows if VIA KT600 is newer than KT880 chipset and better supproted under linux? |
| 23:55.24 | PerfDave | hackeron: Then it's working. You can't check against a public key you don't have ;) You can configure GPG to import the key, but you won't be able to trust it. I suggest checking the documentation at http://www.gnupg.org/ |
| 23:55.24 | kaplanfx | brynjarh: thanks |
| 23:55.28 | abrotman | kaplanfx: yes .. gnome-desktop-system or something ... |
| 23:55.31 | amahbod | PerfDave, and a few more. no i am not using kde or gnome. i am using fluxbox. |
| 23:55.42 | chfn | PerfDave, i'm getting errors. take a look |
| 23:55.51 | brynjarh | Which makes me wonder, why does Epiphany depend on Mozilla?.. |
| 23:55.55 | kaplanfx | abrotman: gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:55.58 | kaplanfx | ? |
| 23:55.58 | chfn | PerfDave, oggenc: error while loading shared libraries: libFLAC.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:56.01 | abrotman | kaplanfx: i think so |
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| 23:56.11 | PerfDave | chfn: That's a known bug in Sid currently, check the BTS. |
| 23:56.17 | chfn | PerfDave, BTS ? |
| 23:56.18 | hackeron | PerfDave: err, if I wont be able to trust it, how do I check if the file downloaded properly? -- I thought this was the entire point. |
| 23:56.22 | PerfDave | amahbod: Hmm, I have no idea about fluxbox, sorry. It's possible that Fluxbox is running some kind of sound daemon which is causing you problems. |
| 23:56.25 | PerfDave | !btssmite chfn |
| 23:56.36 | kaplanfx | abrotman: heh, that package installs mozilla as well :( |
| 23:56.42 | abrotman | jackrabbit: `uname -r` .. says what? |
| 23:56.45 | abrotman | kaplanfx: no idea then |
| 23:56.45 | amahbod | PerfDave, it isnt. same thing happened to me when i was running kde |
| 23:56.52 | amahbod | PerfDave, does ASLA fix this? |
| 23:56.58 | amahbod | PerfDave, or is it something else that i need to set up |
| 23:57.00 | kaplanfx | and people accuse kde of bloat |
| 23:57.07 | hackeron | PerfDave: md5sum was so good :'( |
| 23:57.09 | PerfDave | amahbod: It's "ALSA", not "ASLA". ALSA will let you do software mixing of sounds using "dmix". |
| 23:57.16 | speedy | i decided to use exim, and i'm wondering whats the best pop3 server that is capable of handling mysql authentication for virtual domains with SSL ? |
| 23:57.19 | PerfDave | hackeron: No, a GPG signature makes sure that the package is the same one that the signer uploaded. An md5sum will make sure that a download isn't corrupted. |
| 23:57.27 | Babbage | hackeron> You need to find the PGP keys for Jesse Thilo <jthilo@aloft.micro.lucent.com>, Akim Demaille <akim@freefriends.org> |
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| 23:57.32 | amahbod | PerfDave, ok ill check it out later. i must go! thanks for all the help |
| 23:57.35 | hackeron | PerfDave: yeah, thats what I want |
| 23:57.50 | jackrabbit | abrotman: 2.4.18.bf2.4 |
| 23:57.59 | abrotman | !tell jackrabbit about real kernel |
| 23:58.03 | chfn | PerfDave, sorry but with this known bug is that an exit for me ? try marrilat? |
| 23:58.03 | chfn | PerfDave, i know about bugs of debian. i red this today! but i did not search for libFLAC. i did for another thing. k3blib |
| 23:58.08 | hackeron | PerfDave: heh, thanks, but how do I get one myself for other packages I may download in future? |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | jackrabbit: that's still not what it says .. but whatever |
| 23:58.48 | *** join/#debian xam (~xam@213-202-163-127.bas503.dsl.esat.net) |
| 23:58.51 | jackrabbit | abrotman: 2.4.18.bf2.4 thats everything that I received vback |
| 23:58.58 | chfn | PerfDave, do u know a working mirror of marrilat? Its not working my marrilat mirror |
| 23:59.03 | PerfDave | chfn: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say. |
| 23:59.20 | shek | I am trying to make usb key bootable, to do that I did syslinux /dev/sda1 |
| 23:59.29 | PerfDave | chfn: You can fix the libflac bug which will allow you to encode your audio to FLAC or Vorbis. |
| 23:59.40 | PerfDave | chfn: I don't use Marillat for anything |
| 23:59.49 | shek | now the web instructions tell me to copy the syslinux.cfg file to the key drive but I cannot find it , where can I find it or is there any other wya to fix this problem |
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