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| 00:00.31 | chfn | PerfDave, its something strange. do u know all the dependencies of lame ? im trying to use lame but i'm getting errors. Do you know if lame use FLAC too ? |
| 00:00.51 | PerfDave | chfn: I doubt that lame would use FLAC, since lame is an mp3 encoder. I don't know about lame, I don't use it. |
| 00:00.53 | valdyn | shek: /usr/share/doc/syslinux/ .. find one example there and read the manual |
| 00:01.03 | jackrabbit | abrotman: any ideas ? |
| 00:01.12 | abrotman | !tell jackrabbit about real kernel |
| 00:01.13 | chfn | PerfDave, its what i tought. but i'm getting errors too using lame. |
| 00:01.24 | PerfDave | chfn: I can't help you with lame errors, since it's not in Debian. |
| 00:01.25 | chfn | PerfDave, I'm using kaudiocreator to encode |
| 00:01.37 | humbolt | I need a simple wiki with good onsite documentation in order to enable newbies to find there way into the wiki syntax. if possible I would like to have the possibility to upload files to wiki pages as well, which wiki do you recommend? |
| 00:01.39 | chfn | PerfDave, and how can i fix FLAC ? |
| 00:01.43 | jackrabbit | if I dont have a real kernel then what do I have ?> |
| 00:01.45 | chfn | PerfDave, compiling ? |
| 00:02.06 | PerfDave | chfn: Check the BTS for the fix. |
| 00:02.35 | chfn | PerfDave, tks for now |
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| 00:03.05 | chfn | s/tks/thanks |
| 00:03.09 | chfn | s/tks/thanks/ |
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| 00:04.09 | trunks` | how do you change the resolution in X again? |
| 00:04.24 | doubleh1 | CTRL+ALT+'+' |
| 00:04.26 | doubleh1 | or |
| 00:04.30 | doubleh1 | CTRL+ALT+'-' |
| 00:04.37 | jackrabbit | abrotman: what kind of a kernel do I have then ? |
| 00:04.47 | PerfDave | humbolt: phpwiki is a bit of a pile. I was looking at moinmoin for having per-node permissions. |
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| 00:04.53 | PerfDave | jackrabbit: You have an installation kernel. |
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| 00:05.02 | jackrabbit | which means ? |
| 00:05.07 | trunks` | doublehl: anytime i do this it just gets all distorted; as if 1024x768 was the only res that worked |
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| 00:05.13 | abrotman | jackrabbit: the install kernel |
| 00:05.16 | PerfDave | jackrabbit: It's used for installing Woody systems. You should probably install a more recent / complete kernel-image pacakge. |
| 00:05.30 | abrotman | !idepci |
| 00:05.30 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jebus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 00:06.01 | jackrabbit | thanks guys |
| 00:06.34 | brynjarh | Hey, when I /msg dpkg kaffe flaw I get some text and this URL "http://http://www.kaffe.org/cgi-bin/kaffe/security?user=guest;addsignature=1" - notice the double http:// at the front of the URL, someone should fix this. :) |
| 00:07.01 | brynjarh | and the link doesn't work ether.. |
| 00:07.06 | brynjarh | either* |
| 00:07.19 | chealer | !kaffe flaw |
| 00:07.19 | dpkg | Kaffe has not implemented java.security. It is a mistake or an intention to make Java insecure? Ask me about kaffe, then read http://http://www.kaffe.org/cgi-bin/kaffe/security?user=guest;addsignature=1 |
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| 00:07.53 | PerfDave | !kaffe flaw |
| 00:07.53 | dpkg | Kaffe has not implemented java.security. It is a mistake or an intention to make Java insecure? Ask me about kaffe, then read http://www.kaffe.org/cgi-bin/kaffe/security?user=guest;addsignature=1 |
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| 00:08.15 | chealer | !kaffe flaw =~ s#http://h#h# |
| 00:08.15 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'http://h', chealer |
| 00:08.22 | chealer | doh |
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| 00:08.28 | bucky | http://www.kaffe.org/security.shtml |
| 00:08.29 | chealer | !lose chealer |
| 00:08.30 | dpkg | chealer: You Lose. |
| 00:09.04 | chealer | brynjarh: still, you can fix factoids yourself |
| 00:09.14 | warhead | Eh...last patch 2.6.11-rc4 not with last nvidia driver not work! |
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| 00:09.22 | brynjarh | chealer: oh.. :) |
| 00:10.03 | gilles | is SQLite by default in UTF-8 ? |
| 00:10.05 | chealer | warhead: #nvidia |
| 00:10.33 | PerfDave | warhead: They've probably changed the API again ;) |
| 00:11.03 | warhead | PerfDave: Grrrr.. |
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| 00:11.32 | PerfDave | warhead: That's what you get for using bleeding-edge kernels and non-Free drivers ;) |
| 00:11.51 | warhead | PerfDave: Tnx. |
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| 00:12.10 | PerfDave | !tnx |
| 00:12.11 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
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| 00:13.02 | gilles | I have three buttons on my laptop: one to put the volume up, another to put it down, and another to put it off. So, my question is : Can I do something to make it work on Linux, and how ? |
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| 00:13.16 | saerdna | Rebuilding the database. This may take some time. |
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| 00:13.33 | PerfDave | gilles: Depends on whether they return keyboard codes, xmodmap may help. |
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| 00:14.07 | chfn | PerfDave, whats another encode instead of lame,flac, oggenc ? |
| 00:14.11 | vibey | vibey |
| 00:14.16 | zOap | Hey guys, I need some help if you could. I had some problems with alsa, so I removed it and installed it again. But now in alsaconf he can't find the modules. I tried to install them but gets message that it's refferring to alsa-base, which I have installed... Any ideas? |
| 00:14.29 | PerfDave | chfn: Just use oggenc, it should be trivial to fix if you read the BTS. |
| 00:14.38 | clif4d | sid make-kpkg currently broken? |
| 00:14.43 | PerfDave | chfn: I use abcde to rip audio from CDs |
| 00:14.48 | PerfDave | clif4d: Check the BTS? |
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| 00:16.32 | nSe | ((chealer)) would not be better if i take http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/sarge-i386-1.iso instead of the netinst cd ? |
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| 00:17.15 | chealer | nSe: it's probably as good, just contains more that you won't need to download during your installation |
| 00:17.25 | Skaag | what's the deal with pure-ftpd and capabilities all of a sudden? |
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| 00:17.40 | chealer | nSe: I'm not 100% sure though |
| 00:17.46 | PerfDave | !full cd advocacy |
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| 00:17.54 | chealer | I always downloaded either 2 CDs or netinst |
| 00:17.58 | dpkg | full cd advocacy is probably you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. |
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| 00:18.18 | arango | Why is it that compiled third-party drivers sometimes print "kernel tainted" or "taints kernel" ? What does that mean ? |
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| 00:18.31 | Python_ | has anywone had a problem with debian locking up? |
| 00:18.47 | caphuso | arango: license issues |
| 00:18.54 | PerfDave | arango: It means that the driver's license is not GPL-compatiable, and that you are not allowed to redistribute kernels with that module loaded without violating licenses. |
| 00:18.59 | Python_ | the only apps that i have installed is kde superkaramba |
| 00:19.03 | PerfDave | Python_: Nope |
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| 00:19.09 | nSe | ((chealer)) i'm afraif of having problems during the install download, maybe i'll not know witch packages to download... |
| 00:19.17 | chealer | !tainted |
| 00:19.17 | dpkg | it has been said that tainted is the state of your kernel when non-free modules (e.g. NVdriver) are loaded into it. Kernel hackers will not support tainted kernels. |
| 00:19.19 | vibey | Python_: does forgetting my login/passwords count? |
| 00:19.23 | PerfDave | Python_: Hardware failure? Try memtest86 and see if that helps. |
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| 00:19.50 | Python_ | ok ill try that |
| 00:19.54 | arango | caphuso: thanks |
| 00:19.58 | Python_ | what will that tell me |
| 00:20.01 | arango | PrefDave: thanks |
| 00:20.08 | zOap | Anyone willing to help me? Please |
| 00:20.23 | chealer | nSe: with the netinstall, you just select between maximum of 10 tasks, like desktop, printing, etc. |
| 00:20.37 | Python_ | command not found |
| 00:20.39 | PerfDave | Python_: That will tell you if you have bad RAM, which may lead to system lockups. |
| 00:20.42 | PerfDave | !tell zOap about ask |
| 00:21.00 | PerfDave | chealer, nSe: Just like a full CD in fact |
| 00:21.08 | Python_ | im installing it |
| 00:21.10 | PerfDave | !faq Python_ |
| 00:21.11 | dpkg | Python_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 00:21.20 | PerfDave | Python_: http://www.memtest86.org/ - download the bootable ISO. |
| 00:21.29 | zOap | PerfDave, I knew that... And I have done so, as spesific as I can... |
| 00:21.33 | chealer | PerfDave: yeah, sorry what I said could be confusing |
| 00:22.16 | nSe | perfdave, chealer: the program who let me download the rest is something like dselect or tasksel ? |
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| 00:23.15 | PerfDave | nSe: Tasksel installs sets of packages for you. apt-get and aptitude install packages and their dependencies. dselect eats your soul. |
| 00:23.28 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 00:23.37 | chealer | nSe: initially tasksel, then aptitude if you choosen "advanced" option |
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| 00:24.32 | chealer | nSe: stop asking your questions directly to me, many here know more than me on the topic |
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| 00:25.03 | nSe | ((chealer)) ok, but thanks at all! |
| 00:25.18 | chfn | PerfDave, i'm dunno with apt-listbugs. Is cdparanoia bugged? I'm getting segment fault. Lame is working fine. The problem is cdparanoia |
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| 00:25.27 | gilles | PerfDave: how can xmodmap help me to configure the three volume buttons of my latop ? |
| 00:25.29 | chfn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.35 | abrotman | yay |
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| 00:26.16 | brendan | anyone seen this bug? I'm getting it from horde2 but suspect it's a php4 problem: preg_match: internal pcre_fullinfo() error -3 in /usr/share/horde2/lib/Browser.php on line 136 |
| 00:26.20 | PerfDave | chfn: If you want to see if there are bugs in cdparanoia, check the BTS. apt-listbugs only helps at install time. |
| 00:26.26 | a_monkey | i wonder what'd happen if i did 'rm -rf /' |
| 00:26.42 | PerfDave | a_monkey: Bad things. |
| 00:26.47 | chfn | PerfDave, oh great.! sorry because i dunno that. |
| 00:26.55 | PerfDave | !btssmite chfn |
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| 00:27.15 | PerfDave | chfn: I think you should consider reinstalling with Sarge. |
| 00:27.17 | ncsu | Can someone help me out, I have a pretty new dell with debian sarge on it and i'm running a rarely used web server, I have 6 meg down 512 up cable but it seems to just crawl when im browsing the internet |
| 00:27.20 | PerfDave | !tell chfn -about sid faq |
| 00:27.24 | chfn | PerfDave, did you enjoy asking dpkg to beats my head ? |
| 00:27.33 | PerfDave | chfn: No, but it was necessary. |
| 00:27.40 | chfn | PerfDave, i already red that.! tks |
| 00:27.45 | PerfDave | ncsu: Use iftop to see what sort of traffic is going through your system? |
| 00:27.46 | ncsu | Has anyone ever heard of a common thing that could be wrong, DNS or router or something |
| 00:27.52 | PerfDave | !tks |
| 00:27.52 | dpkg | ur wlcme, perfdave |
| 00:28.02 | adri | anyone here willing to help a complete ignorant? |
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| 00:28.17 | PerfDave | !tell adri -about ask |
| 00:28.19 | PerfDave | !tell adri -about smart questions |
| 00:29.04 | chealer | brendan: probably http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=294675 |
| 00:29.30 | ncsu | thanks PerfDave, thats pretty cool, hard to understand though |
| 00:29.35 | brendan | chealer: thanks. didn't think to check apache |
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| 00:29.49 | PerfDave | ncsu: Well, it'll show you if there's any unexpected traffic, which would cause your internet to crawl. |
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| 00:30.04 | PerfDave | ncsu: What do you mean by "crawl"? Slow download speeds? Slow initial connections? |
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| 00:30.44 | stew | ncsu: are you (or anyone else) running p2p? |
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| 00:31.31 | chfn | PerfDave, instead of cdparanoia i can use ... ? |
| 00:31.38 | ncsu | nothing else it connecting, and slow meaning it feels like 56k, takes a minute to connect then images take a long time to load |
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| 00:32.10 | evarlast | how can I use ccache with debuild / dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 00:32.34 | stew | ncsu: i'd try tcpdump and see if there was traffic that you don't know about / forgot about |
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| 00:33.05 | nSe | ((PerfDave)) how many of the sarge cd's i need to have x with kde and some popular packages like an irc scipt? |
| 00:33.24 | drasko | did anyone had troubles with bootlog daemon? |
| 00:33.34 | PerfDave | nSe: I've never needed more than three, and the third was only for Psi, which is a reasonably uncommon Jabber client. |
| 00:33.37 | chfn | Instead of cdparanoia i can use ... ? |
| 00:33.39 | abrocadabro | hi, I am using webmin to setup my sendmail and it encounters problem when compiling cf files, it says NONE:0: m4: ERROR: EOF in string, any ideas? |
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| 00:34.20 | nSe | ((PerfDave)) so, you're meaning that i just need the first one for kde ? |
| 00:34.31 | PerfDave | nSe: You should do, yes. |
| 00:34.42 | PerfDave | chfn: No idea. "apt-cache search" is your friend. |
| 00:34.50 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: Don't use webmin. Don't use sendmail ;) |
| 00:35.15 | stew | hard to belive that anyone still uses sendmail by choice |
| 00:35.35 | PerfDave | Hard to believe that people bother replacing the default exim without any good reason. |
| 00:35.46 | stew | yeah |
| 00:36.00 | abrocadabro | PerfDave:I wanted to use exim, but all our perl files were written by using sendmail, so I guess I have to stick with it |
| 00:36.05 | ncsu | nothing unusual, it seems like some weird dns problem, i have 5 domains pointing here but they don't get hardly any traffic |
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| 00:36.12 | PerfDave | I mean, yeah, if you've got a good reason, then fine. But people keep going on about how they "heard postfix was better" or something. |
| 00:36.21 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: Which perl files? |
| 00:36.29 | PerfDave | !tell abrocadabro -about webmin |
| 00:37.02 | abrocadabro | PerlDave: the files we wrote to email people about their negative internet accounts |
| 00:37.24 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: What have they got to do with sendmail? |
| 00:37.39 | stew | abrocadabro: you realize all MTAs provide /usr/bin/sendmail right? |
| 00:37.44 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: Every MTA provides a sendmail-compatiable binary called "sendmail". |
| 00:37.44 | stew | sbin? |
| 00:38.08 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: And if your perl scripts are calling sendmail directly rather than just handing off to the system MTA, you need to have your Perl developers shot through the face. |
| 00:38.20 | PerfDave | And that's speaking as a Perl developer; ) |
| 00:38.57 | brendan | hmm, does anyone have a link to apache2-mpm-prefork-2.0.53-2? I seem to have autocleaned too recently... |
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| 00:39.15 | abrocadabro | Perldave: iopen(MAIL, "| /usr/lib/sendmail $user_address") |
| 00:39.25 | stew | brendan: why wouldn't you just download it from debian? |
| 00:39.35 | brendan | must be looking in the wrong place |
| 00:39.40 | stew | !seen Perldave |
| 00:39.40 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'perldave', stew |
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| 00:39.48 | brendan | (went to http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/) |
| 00:40.00 | stew | brendan: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 00:40.02 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: Have your Perl developers shot in the face. |
| 00:40.21 | brendan | stew: thanks |
| 00:40.30 | abrocadabro | perfdave: this programs were written several years old |
| 00:41.01 | abrocadabro | perldave: I have just upgraded the system from 2.2 kernel to 2.6 kernel |
| 00:41.11 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: There's still no excuse for that. |
| 00:41.18 | stew | !find usr/lib/sendmail |
| 00:41.20 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: Anyway, I have exim installed, and a /usr/lib/sendmail binary. |
| 00:41.43 | chfn | instead of using cdparanoia, i can use what? cdparanoia is not working. I gen the .wav file but it has no SOUND. i think its my debian version but I can not fix. whats another app to do that ? |
| 00:41.47 | stew | which dpkg will eventually tell us... |
| 00:41.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/lib/sendmail' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/sendmail) in mail/courier-mta,mail/xmail,mail/ssmtp,mail/smail,mail/postfix,mail/nullmailer,mail/masqmail,mail/exim4-daemon-light,mail/exim4-daemon-heavy,mail/exim,mail/esmtp-run. |
| 00:41.54 | abrocadabro | perfdave: if I replace sendmail with exim, do I need to change the perl files? |
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| 00:42.11 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: You shouldn't do, though you will want to rewrite them just for being horrible ;) |
| 00:42.20 | broke | what's the best linux alternative for ad-aware ? |
| 00:42.29 | PerfDave | broke: What do you mean? What are you trying to do? |
| 00:42.32 | stew | abrocadabro: as dpkg just said, all the mtas provide a /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 00:42.42 | thenuke | broke: are you so sure that your linux has spy/adware? |
| 00:42.45 | evarlast | how can I use ccache with debuild / dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 00:43.01 | broke | thenuke > is it wrong to assume that ? |
| 00:43.15 | thenuke | I just think it is :) |
| 00:43.16 | caphuso | evarlast: man ccache |
| 00:43.20 | PerfDave | broke: Linux machines don't get spyware AFAIK. |
| 00:43.33 | abrocadabro | stew: could you explain what that means? |
| 00:43.50 | PerfDave | stew: It means you should be able to install exim or whatever and have your perl scripts work. |
| 00:43.57 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: It means you should be able to install exim or whatever and have your perl scripts work. |
| 00:44.00 | PerfDave | ARGH |
| 00:44.07 | stew | hear hear |
| 00:44.14 | evarlast | caphuso: been there, done that. I know how to use ccache. dpkg-buildpackage says "compile cannot build binaries" |
| 00:44.16 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: You could always, y'know, *test* it. |
| 00:44.24 | chealer | broke: the alternative to ad-aware on linux is linux |
| 00:44.36 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: Or are you using webmin to configure sendmail on a *live* server? *fear* |
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| 00:45.04 | Loevborg | r00tk1ts might be considered spyware, in a way :) |
| 00:45.10 | PerfDave | Loevborg: chkrootkit ;) |
| 00:45.17 | abrocadabro | PerlDave: I don't know much about sendmail or exim so I guess webmin would make it easier |
| 00:45.18 | brrrrt | dbian amd-64 howto |
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| 00:45.41 | stew | brrrrt: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 00:45.42 | stew | i guess |
| 00:45.51 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: FOR FUCKS SAKE MY NICK IS NOT PERLDAVE LEARN TO READ |
| 00:45.57 | brrrrt | ups |
| 00:46.06 | stew | abrocadabro: or learn to tab-complete at least |
| 00:46.11 | brrrrt | jes copy paste didnt work :( |
| 00:46.17 | brrrrt | sory |
| 00:46.41 | abrocadabro | PerfDave: just mistaken once |
| 00:46.44 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it. Webmin spews shit over your config files and breaks things, it's a heap of shit, and it's only used by people who shouldn't be allowed near real computers. |
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| 00:46.46 | sussudio | PervDave |
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| 00:47.26 | PerfDave | sussudio: Shhh, you ;p |
| 00:47.46 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: Configuring exim isn't hard. There are scripts to do it for you. |
| 00:48.01 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (on Sarge) and /sbin/eximconfig (on Woody) |
| 00:48.31 | abrocadabro | PerfDave: exim is conflicting with sendmail, I gotta have to remove sendmail first according to apt-get |
| 00:48.37 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: Well, yes. |
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| 00:49.18 | adri | Hi, I' just installed Firefox (using KPackage) under KDE, but when I browse web pages with japanese characters, these appear as rectangles. I've tried changing the encoding, but nothing changes. So my question is: is the problem Firefox's or is it a more general thing? |
| 00:49.27 | brrrrt | anyone tried to run a plain woody on a amd 64 machine (for real, not in a chroot) |
| 00:49.30 | brrrrt | ? |
| 00:49.47 | gravity | adri: You probably don't have the right fonts |
| 00:49.49 | caphuso | evarlast: what exactly did you do? |
| 00:49.59 | caphuso | damnit |
| 00:50.20 | caphuso | adri: did you install some japanese fonts? |
| 00:50.25 | adri | so I just get some extra fonts? |
| 00:50.26 | chealer | Adri: are you sure sure you want to use kpackage? its development stopped in 2000. synaptic is so much better if you don't mind it being GTK |
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| 00:51.10 | adri | I just used KPackage because it was already there.. |
| 00:51.29 | adri | no, I guess I'll get some more fonts, then.. |
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| 00:51.45 | abrotman | brrrrt: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 00:52.09 | warhead | kpackage is nice... |
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| 00:52.16 | saerdna | anyeone running firefox and gnome? |
| 00:52.25 | gravity | !anyone |
| 00:52.25 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 00:52.42 | chealer | warhead: did you try synaptic? |
| 00:52.56 | saerdna | i get xlib connection refused by server when i try to run mozilla-firefox |
| 00:53.05 | factotum | during disk partitioning, the not-smiley face, does that mean buggy or something? |
| 00:53.15 | adri | But is there a big advantage in using Synaptic compared to KPackage? |
| 00:53.36 | factotum | adri: yea, your not using mepis |
| 00:53.44 | warhead | chealer: Yes, but that is not part of kde, better is aptitude from console world. |
| 00:53.52 | chealer | Adri: I just suggest it to you because it's better in my book |
| 00:54.03 | factotum | j/k |
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| 00:54.39 | adri | fair enough. Thank you very much! |
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| 00:55.11 | doub | hi there |
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| 00:56.44 | factotum | i cant tell it that is supposed to be a skull-and-crossbones, or bug. Maybe Im just being paranoid |
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| 00:57.49 | thingfish | do people use/try to use ndiswrapper in debian, or is that just a redhat/fedora thing? |
| 00:57.57 | green_earz | factotum: i think it maens that that partition is going to be formantde ? |
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| 00:58.13 | Azure_Ag | I have tried to use ndiswrapper. |
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| 00:58.27 | green_earz | factotum: formanted |
| 00:58.29 | thingfish | ok, thought I'd seen talk of it in here. |
| 00:58.31 | Azure_Ag | of course, after an hour of poking at it I said, "I'm not supporting THIS company." took the card back and got something else. |
| 00:58.48 | factotum | green_earz: could be? Well if it means there is a problem, I guess I will find out eventually. |
| 00:58.51 | gurubie | I am correct in staying with ext3 because reiser lags stability on the lastest Kernel like 2.6.20? |
| 00:59.04 | gurubie | 2.6.10 ops |
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| 00:59.15 | FieldySnuts | gurubie: some people like it others don't, i trust reiserfs3.6 enough to use in production |
| 00:59.30 | FieldySnuts | gurubie: but you certainly won't hurt anything using ext3 |
| 00:59.54 | gurubie | FieldySnuts: Is there more problems whem pushing the latest kernels? |
| 01:00.02 | FieldySnuts | gurubie: not sure what you mean |
| 01:00.10 | doub | gurubie: you can also try JFS or XFS |
| 01:00.23 | green_earz | factotum: and there is another image for the booting the / root file system |
| 01:00.26 | FieldySnuts | my advice is to not use xfs unless you have battery backup or some such though (reacts bad to power loss) |
| 01:00.53 | adjacent | chown says too many levels of symbolic links. most i can find is that this happens on some archetectures. anyone know a way aroudn this error? |
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| 01:01.00 | dureyes | is there some way I can remove the jitters when XMMS is playing and I am downloading stuff? |
| 01:01.00 | pertz | Anyone here familiar with RAID1 boot arrays? |
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| 01:01.09 | gurubie | Has ext3 in fact (historically) had less problems utilizing the latest kernel such as 2.6.10 today? |
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| 01:01.29 | factotum | dureyes: are you listening to streaming audio or somthing? |
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| 01:01.40 | doub | dureyes: are you playing something on your hard disk or from a stream ? |
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| 01:02.02 | dureyes | factotum: from hard disk and downloading with pan |
| 01:02.27 | Jerub | hi, I'm using exim, and I can't figure out how to get mail to be delivered to the external MX from the webserver? |
| 01:02.47 | factotum | hmmm... pan is a hefty app, but im not sure what a resolution for that would be. |
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| 01:03.16 | doub | dureyes: is the system on high load? ie, what does "uptime" say? |
| 01:03.26 | factotum | well, a lighter newsreader app maybe, but i dont know what to recommend |
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| 01:04.41 | marccd | what package provides the "modconf" util? |
| 01:04.48 | dureyes | doub: I paste on #flood |
| 01:04.54 | doub | marccd: modconf |
| 01:05.15 | green_earz | marccd: apt-get install modconf |
| 01:05.24 | marccd | thanks |
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| 01:05.28 | gurubie | I get the impression (from apt-get) that my data is safer with ext3 when using cutting edge Kernels. What I'm asking, is this unfounded or correct from your trials of resier and new kernels. |
| 01:05.55 | FieldySnuts | i've found that to be unfounded |
| 01:05.57 | doub | dureyes: and the jitter only happens while downloading ? |
| 01:05.58 | Jerub | gurubie: I've had resier kill system.s |
| 01:06.06 | stew | !ricerfs |
| 01:06.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for more info. |
| 01:06.07 | dureyes | yes |
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| 01:06.23 | FieldySnuts | some people would strongly disagree, but i'm talking my experiences here, over 7 years (yes I know reiser hasn't been around that long, nor has ext3) |
| 01:06.33 | Jerub | gurubie: reiserfs garuntees the file system will be in a valid state, it doesn't save your data. the data might be full of gibberish, but 'ls' will still work. :( |
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| 01:06.40 | bslayer | hi |
| 01:06.49 | dureyes | at first I thought it was bad tracks but it was downloading |
| 01:06.49 | FieldySnuts | @start a fs war |
| 01:06.49 | ravenbird | ext2 is better than EFS!! |
| 01:07.12 | Lynx | hi |
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| 01:07.17 | Jerub | I don't know anything about the latest rewrite of reiser tho |
| 01:07.20 | Lynx | i need help |
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| 01:07.34 | Lynx | im using knoppix 3.1 |
| 01:07.40 | FieldySnuts | i've messed with 4 a bit, been happy. not on anything important though. the thing I noticed was speed, speed speed |
| 01:07.44 | Lynx | and i need to use msn and yahoo |
| 01:07.46 | doub | Jerub: that's like xfs |
| 01:07.51 | FieldySnuts | no more of that long wait for deleting large trees crap |
| 01:07.56 | FieldySnuts | just boom, gone, and overall way way faster |
| 01:07.59 | Bac9 | Lynx: /join #knoppix |
| 01:08.12 | Lynx | thanx |
| 01:08.33 | FieldySnuts | just irritating at this point to use it, have to patch the kernel, install libaal or something, reiser4progs etc |
| 01:08.36 | green_earz | Lynx: have look at gaim |
| 01:08.40 | doub | dureyes: is dmesg saying anything about your audio card having trouble? |
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| 01:08.57 | dureyes | I'll check... |
| 01:09.18 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: that faster deletion with reisefs4 means not much more than that you won't be able to stop it from recursively deleting / by pulling the plug :-) |
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| 01:09.43 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: hehe true |
| 01:09.44 | factotum | lol |
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| 01:10.25 | nSe | oh gosh, i love debian |
| 01:10.29 | gurubie | Speed is good and reiser is supposed to be faster at small files but I don't know if I could tell the difference (w/2.6.7). Now that I'm with 2.6.10 I guess it's wise to stick to ext3 for beter possible stability. (less warnings and bad reports). Thank you all. |
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| 01:10.40 | dureyes | doub: It gave a long list, don't know what I am looking for here |
| 01:10.55 | trc-clone | hi all |
| 01:10.58 | caphuso | gurubie: ext3 is a safe bet, as long as you don't mess too much with its default settings |
| 01:11.31 | doub | dureyes: probably at the end, maybe a line begining with your sound card driver name |
| 01:11.46 | gurubie | caphuso: Point taken and thanks. hdparm is ok though, right? |
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| 01:12.06 | Jerub | gurubie: I think the point is, do you have a ups? |
| 01:12.10 | bslayer | whats the knoppix room |
| 01:12.12 | caphuso | gurubie: hdparm doesn't affect filesystems, at least not directly |
| 01:12.16 | caphuso | bslayer: #knoppix |
| 01:12.17 | Jerub | bslayer: #knoppix |
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| 01:12.32 | bslayer | thanx |
| 01:12.47 | gurubie | Jerub: Nope, so I'll stay at default. Are there big gains w/UPS? |
| 01:12.51 | bslayer | no ones talking there |
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| 01:13.16 | gurubie | ..for ext3 tweaks ,that is? |
| 01:13.48 | doub | gurubie: not performance, but it will prevent hd corruption if power fails |
| 01:14.06 | Jerub | gurubie: with reiser, if the power dies, you will lose data. |
| 01:14.09 | caphuso | gurubie: an UPS would allow to relax some of ext3's _really_ conservative settings to gain some speed |
| 01:14.16 | Jerub | therefore, a ups is essential |
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| 01:14.40 | Jerub | oh, I thought you were still talking reiser. |
| 01:14.59 | elephantman | With ls or grep : Is it possible to get the path |
| 01:15.06 | gurubie | OK got it. No reiserfs without UPS. Ext3 might be better w/UPS. tanks |
| 01:15.16 | elephantman | I try to find a file with : ls -l -R | grep filename |
| 01:15.25 | FieldySnuts | can't agree there, reiserfs has always handled power losses fine here, it's xfs that doesn't |
| 01:15.28 | elephantman | But it give me only the name, not where the file is |
| 01:15.34 | caphuso | elephantman: find -name filename |
| 01:15.48 | Lynx | im using knoppix 3.1 is there anyway i can use msn and yahoo on there |
| 01:15.50 | Lynx | or just 1 |
| 01:15.53 | elephantman | caphuso: ok thanx :\ |
| 01:15.58 | factotum | you could always go down to your fuse box and experiment |
| 01:16.09 | FieldySnuts | Lynx: you were already told twice: #knoppix , this is NOT a knoppix channel. read the topic, please |
| 01:16.16 | green_earz | Lynx: have look for the app gaim |
| 01:16.37 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: reiserfs suffers from the same problem as xfs: it journals only metadata, so without much luck you'll end with wrong (normally old, sometimes random) data in otherwise correct files |
| 01:16.50 | gurubie | So guess that discourages Suse on a Laptop. (It's battery might go down without safe power off) |
| 01:16.59 | FieldySnuts | i guess in theory, shrug, enjoy |
| 01:17.23 | caphuso | you get the same behaviour with ext3 and data=writeback |
| 01:17.31 | factotum | heh, I always discourage suse on a laptop, but thats a different channel |
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| 01:17.37 | green_earz | Lynx: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ for what it dose |
| 01:17.44 | Bac9 | green_earz: gaim is far from the only multi-protocol im client |
| 01:17.53 | green_earz | yes |
| 01:18.12 | gurubie | Lynx: If you already have accouts perhaps you could use GAIM or Kopete? |
| 01:18.14 | Bac9 | green_earz: and then there are multi-protocol servers (jabber) |
| 01:19.04 | Bac9 | green_earz: I think everybuddy and friends support multiple protocols, rare to find clients that don't |
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| 01:20.23 | green_earz | Lynx: when you have the time download the sarge netinstaller and have a go at installing debian http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050212/ |
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| 01:20.45 | green_earz | Lynx: sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:21.17 | stego | What do people recommend as a good book on Debian? O'Reilly's "Learning Debian GNU/Linux", or perhaps "Debian GNU/Linux Bible"? |
| 01:21.39 | suifur | stego, i recommend anything O'Reilly |
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| 01:22.21 | stew | stego: i recommend debian.org plus lurking here. books are so 20th century |
| 01:22.21 | factotum | the o'reilly book was pretty decent. might be a bit dated, but still a good read |
| 01:22.38 | factotum | heh |
| 01:22.44 | pertz | Anyone have experience with RAID1 boot arrays? I had it running, but after recompiling my kernel I've hit a snag and I'm looking for some insight from someone who's been down that road a few times...? |
| 01:23.11 | green_earz | stego: http://debianbook.info/ |
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| 01:25.01 | bignose-ork | kernel 2.6, Debian's udev package. |
| 01:25.12 | bignose-ork | how do I access non-1440k modes of the floppy device? |
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| 01:25.46 | bignose-ork | an access to '/dev/fd0u1722' gives "No such file or directory" |
| 01:26.03 | Remmy | im creating a script using vi, how do i exit/save? |
| 01:26.08 | stego | green_earz, that looks interesting, although yet to be released. |
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| 01:26.17 | BrianAnthony | god, someone please help me!!! =S |
| 01:26.22 | stego | Thanks for the suggestions |
| 01:26.27 | stew | Remmy: :w to write, :q to quite, can be done both at once with :wq |
| 01:26.36 | caphuso | or ZZ |
| 01:26.42 | stew | s/quite/quit/ |
| 01:27.01 | green_earz | stego: but keep a track on it |
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| 01:27.11 | bignose-ork | Remmy: you'll want to either learn something about vi, or 'apt-get install nano' if you're not wanting to learn vi |
| 01:27.33 | bignose-ork | Remmy: (serious suggestion. nano is a nice editor, and vi is overkill if you don't do much editing.) |
| 01:27.37 | caphuso | !vimtutor |
| 01:27.37 | dpkg | methinks vimtutor is check /usr/share/doc/nvi/vi.{beginner,advanced}.gz for a much better alternative |
| 01:27.58 | stew | hmm, never know about that |
| 01:28.04 | stego | green_earz, do you have anything to do with the book? Why are you so interested in it? |
| 01:28.20 | green_earz | no |
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| 01:28.44 | Drizzt321 | anyone running amd64 compiled system? |
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| 01:29.04 | resiak | !amd-64 |
| 01:29.09 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 01:29.09 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 01:29.29 | Drizzt321 | resiak: well, its more my question is how to get i386 packages installed on amd64... |
| 01:29.35 | resiak | Drizzt321: Go there... |
| 01:29.43 | green_earz | stego: it be the most upto date and some very good topics |
| 01:29.43 | Drizzt321 | resiak: it does explain there? thank you! |
| 01:29.53 | resiak | Drizzt321: I meant /j #debian-amd64 |
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| 01:30.02 | resiak | Drizzt321: But I'm sure that the howto tells you. |
| 01:30.39 | Drizzt321 | resiak: ah. I actually installed ubuntu, but pretty close |
| 01:30.47 | Drizzt321 | resiak: yea, looks like the how-to does |
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| 01:31.24 | bignose-ork | does the 'floppy' driver trigger udev properly for over-1440k floppy modes? |
| 01:31.25 | SlicerDicer | how do you use reiserfs and debian? |
| 01:31.42 | bignose-ork | i.e. if I'm accessing '/dev/fd0u1722' how does udev know what to do? |
| 01:31.44 | resiak | Drizzt321: Ubuntu != Debian. |
| 01:31.47 | resiak | Drizzt321: #ubuntu |
| 01:31.50 | bignose-ork | ('cause it's apparently not doing it) |
| 01:32.19 | FieldySnuts | if people would read the topic first thing. but i know i'm expecting too much: common sense |
| 01:32.40 | factotum | heh |
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| 01:32.54 | Drizzt321 | resiak: yes, I'm in there as well, and I know they are not exactly the same |
| 01:32.57 | grendal_prime | brethren |
| 01:32.58 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 01:33.15 | grendal_prime | hey is there a way to do...ummmm multiple files with scp? |
| 01:33.17 | doubleh1 | FieldySnuts: hehe ^^ |
| 01:33.59 | FieldySnuts | grendal_prime: don't think so, scp is annoyingly limited (lack of completion most annoying to me) |
| 01:34.05 | bignose-ork | grendal_prime: 'man scp' |
| 01:34.06 | FieldySnuts | actually I'm thinking sftp, oops |
| 01:34.08 | resiak | Drizzt321: You should not ask for help in #debian or #debian-* if you're not using Debian. There will be differences, and it's a waste of everyone's time. #ubuntu is a better bet for you. |
| 01:34.19 | bignose-ork | grendal_prime: just a matter of specifying multiple source files |
| 01:34.19 | grendal_prime | hmmm...well crap |
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| 01:34.39 | anti-windows | Is there a way I can list all the files related to one package? |
| 01:34.50 | resiak | anti-windows: dpkg -L package |
| 01:34.52 | bignose-ork | grendal_prime: did the man page give you the impression it couldn't? |
| 01:35.10 | anti-windows | resiak: thanks. |
| 01:35.37 | Drizzt321 | resiak: I've found that not really many people in #ubuntu are running amd64, however I have found that more peole in #debian are running systems like that, I thought I would give it a try |
| 01:35.45 | resiak | Drizzt321: That's not our problem. |
| 01:35.47 | bignose-ork | anti-windows: 'dpkg --listfiles foo' shows the files installed by package 'foo'. |
| 01:35.51 | FieldySnuts | Drizzt321: THIS IS #DEBIAN NOT #UBUNTU, GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEAD |
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| 01:35.54 | grendal_prime | well i thougth there was arecursive |
| 01:35.56 | grendal_prime | and there is |
| 01:35.58 | FieldySnuts | god DAMN |
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| 01:36.06 | resiak | Drizzt321: If you want our help, why are you not running our distro? |
| 01:36.08 | bignose-ork | anti-windows: which will not include files, e.g., created *after* unpacking. |
| 01:36.13 | grendal_prime | i dont want the.....well i guess i could just rename the dir right? |
| 01:36.28 | grendal_prime | ill give it a shot |
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| 01:36.39 | Drizzt321 | resiak: I am, just not on my amd64, I thought I'd try another .deb based distro and see how I liked it |
| 01:36.43 | grendal_prime | its just kinda an important dir..i dont want ti ace it |
| 01:37.04 | resiak | Drizzt321: Grand. Now, don't go bothering the #debian-amd64 people with Ubuntu questions. |
| 01:37.16 | bignose-ork | grendal_prime: are you sure you're not looking for 'rsync -e ssh' ? |
| 01:37.26 | Drizzt321 | resiak: but I'm not asking ubuntu questions, I'm asking linux on amd64 questions |
| 01:37.37 | kreg | anyone know if samba can hide behind a nat firewall? wondering what ports to DNAT for outside (not internet) connections. |
| 01:37.37 | resiak | Drizzt321: No, you're asking Ubuntu questions. How many times? |
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| 01:38.06 | FieldySnuts | finally |
| 01:38.08 | grendal_prime | no im building a second server..i need to copy the html dir from a redhat webserver onto a debian web server on the same network |
| 01:38.09 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:38.28 | bignose-ork | grendal_prime: sure sounds like a job for rsync to me. |
| 01:38.39 | grendal_prime | getting rid of the redhat server |
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| 01:38.51 | FieldySnuts | grendal_prime: it'd be easier to tar the directory up, then untar it on the other side. tar cf blah.tar /path/to/dir (NO trailing slash) , then get blah.tar over there somehow, tar xf blah.tar wherver you want it |
| 01:38.53 | abrotman | !prize grendal_prime |
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| 01:39.14 | FieldySnuts | one less redhat server in the world is always good, doing so myself at wokr |
| 01:39.15 | FieldySnuts | work |
| 01:39.38 | grendal_prime | rsync is for keeping to copys of the same thing on two diff servers right? |
| 01:39.40 | Bac9| | grendal_prime: scp -r ./ otherbox:/var/www/ |
| 01:39.49 | bignose-ork | grendal_prime: 'rsync -a -e ssh othermachine:/source/directory/. /local/directory/.' |
| 01:39.52 | grendal_prime | ya bac...thats looking good |
| 01:39.57 | bignose-ork | grendal_prime: no |
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| 01:40.13 | bignose-ork | grendal_prime: rsync takes a copy, once, of another file or set of files |
| 01:40.14 | FieldySnuts | rsync is like an advanced cp, with networking ability |
| 01:40.22 | stew | bignose-ork: no need for -e ssh on debian unless you actually changed the rsh alternative |
| 01:40.30 | FieldySnuts | and yes lots more than that, i use rsync and rsync servers myself |
| 01:40.32 | bignose-ork | grendal_prime: then makes sure a destination file or set of files is "in sync" with the source. |
| 01:40.40 | Bac9| | grendal_prime: or from the otherbox scp -r sourcebox:/var/www /var |
| 01:41.40 | bignose-ork | grendal_prime: the main advantage being that it copies only chunks of files, so changes to existing files are much mroe efficient to update |
| 01:41.53 | bignose-ork | grendal_prime: but it's just damned easy to grab a whole copy of a directory tree |
| 01:42.29 | DB7654321 | Is there some way I can install dllwrap on a debian system? |
| 01:42.40 | drp | is there a command to view all the available printers on the network |
| 01:43.15 | DB7654321 | nevermind. I'm an idiot |
| 01:43.15 | bignose-ork | drp: define "available" |
| 01:43.29 | bignose-ork | drp: available via SMB (Windows networking)? available via a CUPS server? |
| 01:43.36 | drp | SMB |
| 01:43.39 | bignose-ork | drp: some other "available"? |
| 01:44.16 | bignose-ork | drp: 'apt-get install smbclient' would be the lowest-level |
| 01:44.25 | drp | bignose-ork, I have samba installed |
| 01:44.37 | bignose-ork | drp: otherwise look into the "smb browsers" giving a browse-style interface |
| 01:44.53 | bignose-ork | drp: better read up on it, and/or ask in samba channels for help. |
| 01:45.58 | drp | bignose-ork, well actually I just want to print to one printer on the network ... the share name is "optimus" but I'm not sure what else I need to do on my side(debian) to see the shared printer |
| 01:46.29 | bignose-ork | drp: get help on samba and/or cups |
| 01:46.35 | bignose-ork | drp: nothing debian-specific about how to do it |
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| 01:46.46 | drp | bignose-ork, #samba ? |
| 01:46.58 | bignose-ork | drp: seems likely. |
| 01:47.08 | drp | bignose-ork, k thanks for the help |
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| 01:47.25 | bronaugh | does gdb suck, or do debian's packages just suck? |
| 01:47.36 | bronaugh | trying to run X inside gdb; can't step through a function without having it crash. |
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| 01:48.05 | khanman | drp: try smb4k nice gui interface to see/mount samba shares |
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| 01:49.30 | FieldySnuts | @lart bronaugh |
| 01:49.40 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:49.49 | FieldySnuts | somebody's getting creative |
| 01:49.55 | stew | i want an extra strength sleepin pill! |
| 01:50.06 | FieldySnuts | yeah me too; one that works monday - friday. |
| 01:50.33 | bronaugh | fieldySnuts: do you have anything serious to contribute here? |
| 01:50.42 | FieldySnuts | yes, but i'm not going to do it |
| 01:50.52 | bronaugh | ok, have fun. |
| 01:50.55 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 01:50.58 | jetscreamer | does nfs require sshd to be running? |
| 01:51.06 | FieldySnuts | nfs has nothing to do with ssh or sshd |
| 01:51.07 | jetscreamer | on the nfs server |
| 01:51.09 | jetscreamer | k |
| 01:51.18 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 01:51.21 | bronaugh | but I'd hate to have to run Mandrake simply because Debian has a broken gdb. |
| 01:51.26 | bignose-ork | jetscreamer: nfs requires RPC |
| 01:51.29 | jetscreamer | wtf is gdb anyway |
| 01:51.41 | bignose-ork | jetscreamer: so you'll need to ensure the package dependencies are okay |
| 01:51.43 | FieldySnuts | okay so 1) you come in here trolling first sentance 2) you then threaten to use another distro yeah, we care |
| 01:51.47 | gravity | gdb works fine in Debian |
| 01:51.49 | factotum | id hate to have to run mandrake period |
| 01:51.54 | FieldySnuts | no doubt |
| 01:51.56 | jetscreamer | bignose-ork, yeah got that... still working on doing it right on the client i think, and then the firewall on the server |
| 01:51.56 | FieldySnuts | rpm HAHAH |
| 01:52.06 | factotum | ^ yup |
| 01:52.12 | bignose-ork | jetscreamer: then, read the docs for the nfs server in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
| 01:52.12 | stew | bronaugh: sounds like more of a question for #xfree86, there should be no problems with debian's version of gdb, else it would be documented in the bts |
| 01:52.35 | FieldySnuts | indeed, if debiang gdb had issues, devs would be screaming murder |
| 01:52.38 | jetscreamer | bignose-ork, thanks. i read the nfs how-to, but so far it's not working :) |
| 01:52.40 | FieldySnuts | er debians |
| 01:52.41 | bignose-ork | jetscreamer: uh. please tell me you're not trying to do NFS through a firewall. |
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| 01:52.59 | jetscreamer | bignose-ork, yeah i am ... (i know i know) |
| 01:53.05 | FieldySnuts | nfs through a firewall is a nightmare, due to the seemingly random ports portmapper uses |
| 01:53.08 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 01:53.10 | FieldySnuts | ain't gonna happen |
| 01:53.12 | bronaugh | stew: gdb 6.3; I've compiled Xorg with all symbols, I attach to the process, I set a breakpoint... X hits that breakpoint, I try to single step, and that's the end of the game. |
| 01:53.25 | bignose-ork | jetscreamer: give it up. use SFTP if you must. |
| 01:53.27 | bronaugh | gdb says "do you want a core file or not?" |
| 01:53.38 | jetscreamer | no, i've got that, mostly... specifiying mountd's port is eluding me... the howtosays edit something that's not there |
| 01:53.41 | grendal_prime | rsync is not working |
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| 01:53.52 | stew | bronaugh: ok then s/xfree86/xorg/ in my previous comment, but there should be nothing wrong with gdb, or it would be in the bts |
| 01:53.55 | drp | khanman, thanks that is a nice utility |
| 01:54.00 | bignose-ork | jetscreamer: allowing persistent file access (such as NFS) through something that's supposed to *separate* networks from each other, is doomed. |
| 01:54.07 | FieldySnuts | you can't specify the ports portmapper is going to use, there is a pattern but it's insanely complex; you'd have to open up an unreasonable number of ports |
| 01:54.24 | FieldySnuts | in short, nfs is for lans not wans, but maybe somebody has a solution |
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| 01:54.39 | FieldySnuts | also, exposing the daemons nfs uses to the world is a very, very bad idea security wise |
| 01:54.46 | FieldySnuts | maybe a vpn? |
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| 01:54.56 | StereoSkit | Hi, everybody, i need some help, Is there an option like "dpkg -reconfigure xserver" to reconfigure my xserver (hehe) in sarge?? |
| 01:55.04 | FieldySnuts | make em think it's local |
| 01:55.13 | jetscreamer | all 3 boxes are in my house, but i don't have a central firewall... each box has it's own. |
| 01:55.34 | FieldySnuts | might be nfs iptables modules, but i dunno |
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| 01:55.40 | chealer | !drxx StereoSkit |
| 01:55.41 | dpkg | StereoSkit: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:55.44 | bignose-ork | StereoSkit: 'dpkg-reconfigure foo' will reconfigure the 'foo' package |
| 01:55.59 | jetscreamer | ah gahd brbbl :/ wife wants computer to watch movie :) |
| 01:55.59 | bignose-ork | StereoSkit: you want to reconfigure the 'xserver-xfree86' package |
| 01:56.08 | jetscreamer | thanks all |
| 01:56.21 | bignose-ork | "Be Right Back Back Later"? |
| 01:56.24 | StereoSkit | bignose-ork, yes i know, i only didint now the name of it, tnx all \o/ |
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| 01:57.55 | bronaugh | stew: it doesn't blow up in gnat-gdb (5.3); but it doesn't really make progress either. |
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| 01:58.11 | marccd | how would I know if my isp is blocking port 25 outbound? |
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| 01:58.33 | marccd | all my mails get stuck in my mta, it says connection time out, to gmail, yahoo mx, etc.. |
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| 01:58.52 | stew | bronaugh: file a bug against gdb then, you should probably ask in #xorg then |
| 01:58.55 | BrianAnthony | !dpkg Xorg |
| 01:58.56 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 01:59.17 | stew | s/then/first/ |
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| 02:00.58 | Lynx | so when i get the new version of knoppix do i just insert the cd |
| 02:00.58 | Lynx | and it will boot up well if not then change the bios to boot from cd then will it run off the cd or does it install to hard drive |
| 02:00.58 | Lynx | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.58 | Lynx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:01.05 | FieldySnuts | nice paste |
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| 02:02.08 | usual | anyone own or know anyone who owns a passat? |
| 02:02.21 | FieldySnuts | troll? |
| 02:02.35 | usual | ass? |
| 02:02.43 | FieldySnuts | rack? |
| 02:02.48 | FieldySnuts | asl pls? |
| 02:02.48 | stew | badger! |
| 02:02.59 | chealer | !anyone |
| 02:02.59 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 02:03.01 | usual | corn |
| 02:03.04 | cycom | cheese? |
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| 02:03.14 | caphuso | usual: this is #debian, not #volkswagen |
| 02:03.22 | usual | caphuso, I am aware of that thank you |
| 02:03.28 | usual | caphuso, I've been coming here for years |
| 02:03.40 | caphuso | usual: you are aware that you're asking off-topic questions? |
| 02:03.42 | cycom | usual: then you should know better. |
| 02:03.44 | usual | caphuso, I am |
| 02:03.49 | caphuso | usual: then you have no excuse |
| 02:03.52 | *** mode/#Debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 02:03.54 | FieldySnuts | like I said; troll |
| 02:03.55 | *** mode/#Debian [+q usual!*@*] by caphuso |
| 02:03.58 | *** mode/#Debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 02:03.58 | FieldySnuts | thanks. |
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| 02:04.11 | FieldySnuts | heh don't msg me... |
| 02:04.13 | FieldySnuts | i didn't set it |
| 02:04.18 | caphuso | and don't /msg me either |
| 02:04.31 | caphuso | 03:04 [usual] nice abuse |
| 02:04.32 | atrus | i'm looking for an app that will open/convert a .MUS file, mime type application/x-Finale-music-notation |
| 02:04.40 | FieldySnuts | sigh |
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| 02:04.51 | FieldySnuts | must be sunday... I never could get a hang of Sundays. |
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| 02:05.12 | cycom | Arthur Dent could never get the hang of thursdays. |
| 02:05.24 | FieldySnuts | that was the referance |
| 02:05.46 | marccd | how could I specify "mail" to use my isp's mail server? |
| 02:05.47 | cycom | I kinda figured. |
| 02:05.50 | jjazz | FieldySnuts: Really, I thought that was a Winnie the Pooh reference. I must be mixed up... damn Sundays. |
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| 02:06.23 | cycom | See FieldySnuts! I was explaining it for people like jjazz. |
| 02:06.38 | jjazz | Indeed, I am a person of very little brain. |
| 02:07.00 | cycom | ..or very little reading of the hhgttg |
| 02:07.04 | cycom | !hhgttg |
| 02:07.05 | dpkg | hhgttg is probably Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. A fine, fine book, with practical travel tips for galactic tourists. Don't forget your towel! |
| 02:07.21 | SlicerDicer | I am a bit confused about this my ethernet does not work nor can I find my yukon chipset listed as it is with the 2.6.9 kernels that I used with gentoo... I cant seem to locate this any help? |
| 02:07.23 | jjazz | cycom: Yes, it's been a while on that front as well. |
| 02:07.48 | caphuso | SlicerDicer: yukon gigabit onboard thingie? |
| 02:07.51 | jazzmanss | !42 |
| 02:07.51 | dpkg | hmm... 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 02:07.58 | SlicerDicer | caphuso: yes sir :) |
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| 02:08.16 | caphuso | SlicerDicer: the module for that one is called "sk98lin" |
| 02:08.27 | SlicerDicer | yes I know but its not working |
| 02:08.46 | SlicerDicer | also I would like to use reiserfs and many other things but I cant figure out how to do it |
| 02:09.08 | SlicerDicer | I guess easy things confuse me heh I dont know.... |
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| 02:09.36 | jjazz | SlicerDicer: Are you aware of the modprobe command? |
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| 02:09.49 | SlicerDicer | jjazz: yeppers |
| 02:10.19 | pder | i am attempting to use debian-installer to install sarge on a laptop with a broken CDROM. I would like to boot off of floppy and use a netboot.iso on a USB device to install a base image. The problem is, after i loopback mount the iso in /cdrom the installer cant find the Release file. |
| 02:10.29 | SlicerDicer | it would help if I could get to a terminal heh I cant use the commands... |
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| 02:13.41 | SlicerDicer | well I ran a modprobe on sk98lin and it says that device is busy incorrect paramaters etc. it failed |
| 02:13.53 | cr4sh | witam !!! mam pytanie chce zainstalowac debiana w wersji bardzo okrojonej ktora plyte mam sobie sciagnac zebym mogl zainstalowac debka |
| 02:14.01 | SlicerDicer | so I really dont know what to do here honestly. |
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| 02:14.23 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say dpkg: confuse cr4sh |
| 02:14.26 | ravenbird | dpkg: confuse cr4sh |
| 02:14.27 | dpkg | No, how is your hamster tomorrow, cr4sh? pants of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra herring |
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| 02:17.20 | cycom | how would I change the language settings in debain? |
| 02:17.34 | caphuso | cycom: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:17.43 | cycom | thanks |
| 02:18.08 | bjb | marccd, you want your mail server to use your isp's mail server as a smarthost? |
| 02:18.46 | chealer | !locale |
| 02:18.46 | dpkg | locale is, like, something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. |
| 02:18.54 | chealer | ^^haha |
| 02:18.56 | caphuso | haha |
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| 02:19.21 | caphuso | germanized lynx works that way |
| 02:19.56 | caphuso | they translated "cookie"... |
| 02:20.05 | chealer | french translations are pretty good |
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| 02:21.01 | MrPan | _ |
| 02:21.58 | cycom | caphuso: wow. what's cookie in deutch? |
| 02:22.07 | caphuso | cycom: keks |
| 02:22.20 | cycom | wow. I wish it was that in english. sounds much cooler. |
| 02:22.46 | cycom | and a lot less heartbreaking to delete. NOOO I DELETED ALL MY CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES! |
| 02:23.00 | cycom | Nein! Mein Keks!? |
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| 02:23.57 | Phated | caphuso: Why was usual silenced? |
| 02:24.15 | FieldySnuts | being offtopic after warned, then admitting they knew better |
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| 02:24.27 | caphuso | Phated: came in here to ask an off-topic question on purpose |
| 02:24.46 | Phated | Ah, thank you. No abuse, no racism, nothing that would give me an excuse to kick them off -offtopic? |
| 02:24.53 | aokaze | can Debian run on a computer with 4mb of ram? |
| 02:24.55 | Phated | FieldySnuts: *nibbles* Moinmoin. |
| 02:25.02 | FieldySnuts | yum |
| 02:25.02 | thomas_adam | aokaze: Hamm might. |
| 02:25.12 | aokaze | hamm? |
| 02:25.37 | cycom | aokaze: is it an apple? |
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| 02:26.06 | aokaze | its a zeos 486 laptop |
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| 02:26.49 | cycom | I've been looking for some mac 7.0.1 system disks so I can reinstall and finally get potato on my computer |
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| 02:27.00 | superCow | ok, so |
| 02:27.05 | aokaze | but the manuals say it can run xwindows v1.0 sco |
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| 02:27.13 | FieldySnuts | HEH sco |
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| 02:27.22 | aokaze | so I assume it will run linux too |
| 02:27.33 | maher | what's a good way to embed a spreadsheet in a web page? |
| 02:27.44 | FieldySnuts | ask #html ? |
| 02:27.54 | Phated | There's a #html? |
| 02:27.56 | frem | d an unofficial debian package for fspanel 0.8? |
| 02:28.02 | superCow | ok, so I am told that my kernel headers should match the ones that glibc was compiled with.. so if I install the latest kernel image do my headers and glibc both get automatically updated? |
| 02:28.14 | Gnea | caphuso: i disagree with you. |
| 02:28.17 | caphuso | superCow: you were told wrong stuff |
| 02:28.30 | caphuso | Gnea: you're free to do so |
| 02:28.30 | maher | superCow: do you have the powers? |
| 02:28.44 | aokaze | so can you run a command prompt debian system on 4mb of ram? |
| 02:28.51 | Gnea | caphuso: he asked for a purpose, but not on purpose to troll. |
| 02:28.51 | superCow | oh yes I do |
| 02:28.58 | frem | sry, does anyone know of an unofficial debian package for fspanel 0.8? |
| 02:29.04 | caphuso | aokaze: theoretically yes, but you don't really want to |
| 02:29.16 | superCow | shh.. though.. can't talk about super-secret superCow powers in a public chat room.. |
| 02:29.29 | superCow | hrmm.. wrong stuffs eh |
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| 02:31.10 | caphuso | Gnea: i told him that he's off topic, he didn't care. what else should i've done? |
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| 02:31.19 | Gnea | caphuso: listened? |
| 02:31.23 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 02:31.42 | aokaze | hmmm is there another choice that would be better that would work on 4mb of ram? I only know the minimal on this computer is 4mb at most it could have been expanded to 8mb |
| 02:31.46 | [bono] | Question: Anyone of you know of a tool to convert sql create statements into er model representation (whatever the format)? |
| 02:31.47 | Gnea | caphuso: i tell ya, as if 80% of the conversation in this channel is ever really on-topic as it is |
| 02:32.04 | [bono] | Question: ... or the other way around? |
| 02:32.17 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: who gives a shit? they can come back later. |
| 02:32.18 | nevyn | aokaze: what do you want to do on it? |
| 02:32.21 | Gnea | caphuso: yer such a scumbag y'know that? but oh well, you're free to be :) |
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| 02:32.35 | nevyn | aokaze: bash is 1.5mb or so in core. |
| 02:32.42 | FieldySnuts | how is that a scumbag? he was warned, knew anyway, and did it anyway |
| 02:32.45 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: eh, not worth pursuing |
| 02:33.01 | aokaze | bash uses 1.5mb of ram? |
| 02:33.02 | FieldySnuts | that's about as "fair" as it's gonna get round here |
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| 02:33.03 | Gnea | how it that NOT a scumbag? |
| 02:33.08 | FieldySnuts | @troll Gnea |
| 02:33.10 | esher | hi fellas |
| 02:33.11 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 02:33.17 | Gnea | anyway |
| 02:33.21 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: i'm perfectly capable of defending myself |
| 02:33.35 | aokaze | hmmm what I want to do with it is unknown but I wanna put linux on it some way or another |
| 02:33.36 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: yeah I know, it's just a dumb side to take I though (them) |
| 02:33.39 | esher | how can i simply reinstall ALL installed debian-packages ? i messed up some binarys |
| 02:33.45 | Phated | caphuso: I was about to defend you too, but... :/ :) |
| 02:33.53 | thomas_adam | esher: That's in the FAQ. |
| 02:33.55 | caphuso | esher: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 02:34.01 | aokaze | eather that or try putting AIX but I dont feel like supporting sco |
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| 02:34.26 | Danar | erm, help... i can't eject my cd! |
| 02:34.27 | esher | k tnx |
| 02:34.38 | chealer | Danar: is it mounted? |
| 02:34.42 | Danar | not any more |
| 02:34.47 | Danar | i tried both mounted & not |
| 02:35.20 | Danar | the button won't eject it either |
| 02:35.44 | aokaze | did you try umount |
| 02:36.05 | aokaze | umount /mnt/mountspot |
| 02:36.07 | esher | hehe yeah, apt-get --reinstall install <- thats nice, but i want all installed packages :P |
| 02:36.19 | aokaze | something like that |
| 02:36.30 | aokaze | possibly umount /mnt/cdrom |
| 02:36.39 | chealer | msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 02:37.29 | superCow | hrmm.. let me re-ask that question.. will installing a newer kernel-image package using "aptitude install" install the kernel headers in /usr/include? |
| 02:37.32 | Danar | it's not mounted |
| 02:37.38 | esher | chealer youre a really leet guy |
| 02:37.40 | caphuso | superCow: no, of course not |
| 02:37.57 | jjazz | Danar: Sometimes you can't umount a drive if you're in that dir (like in a terminal or somesuch) |
| 02:38.16 | superCow | what if I had an older kernel-headers package installed.. would it be automatically updated? |
| 02:38.18 | chealer | esher: what means leet? |
| 02:38.31 | Danar | i know. for the third time, it's no longer mounted... |
| 02:38.33 | shingouz | aokaze: you might be able to install either potato or slink on the laptop and then dist-upgrade it. just keep the software as light as possible |
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| 02:38.56 | caphuso | superCow: not automatically |
| 02:39.06 | jjazz | Danar: use a paper clip then :P |
| 02:39.27 | tkinias | hey there... I'm looking for some help setting remote printing (lprng/samba) |
| 02:39.37 | Danar | and nothing is trying to access the cd |
| 02:39.44 | Gnea | cups > lprng |
| 02:39.48 | Danar | (says lsof) |
| 02:40.05 | Danar | jjazz: a paper clip? |
| 02:40.06 | caphuso | superCow: you can, of course, select both the kernel-image and the matching kernel-headers package for installation |
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| 02:40.22 | Danar | it opened fine to put the cd in, but now it won't give it back! |
| 02:40.29 | superCow | does one suggest or depend on the other? is there somewhere I can find that information? |
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| 02:40.32 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 02:40.41 | Danar | wtf |
| 02:40.46 | jjazz | Danar: There should be a little hole in the front of the drive. Unbend a paperclip, stick it in the hole, push. You'll get mild resistance. As you push, the drive tray will slide out. |
| 02:40.47 | Danar | i just tried again, and it worked |
| 02:40.50 | tkinias | Gnea, no cups here -- just lprng and samba (the winxp box sees and can print to the samba queue, but the debian boxes can't print to the samba queue or directly to lprng...) |
| 02:40.56 | jjazz | Danar: Not elegant, but it works. |
| 02:41.11 | Danar | jjazz: ah, good to know. thx |
| 02:41.16 | Gnea | tkinias: so ditch lprng and install cups |
| 02:41.24 | jjazz | Danar: np |
| 02:41.28 | Danar | i just pushed the button again on the off chance, and it worked :/ |
| 02:41.29 | Danar | weird |
| 02:41.40 | Danar | i tried several times over the past couple mins and it wouldn't work |
| 02:42.13 | nullvoid | dpkg -l | grep madwifi ---------- will give me all installed package for madwifi* but how can I remove all of them, I tried dpkg -P madwifi*, it doesn't work |
| 02:42.14 | dpkg | grep madwifi ---------- will give me all installed package for madwifi* but how can I remove all of them, I tried dpkg -P madwifi*, it doesn't work |
| 02:42.17 | tkinias | haven't used cups for about three years -- but I couldn't ever get anything to work when I encountered it back then (on a Mandrake box) |
| 02:42.27 | Danar | ok, thx |
| 02:42.35 | nevyn | cups is the bomb. |
| 02:42.37 | Gnea | tkinias: that was 3 years ago and this is debian. you think it hasn't changed? think again. |
| 02:42.46 | nullvoid | using: dpkg -l | grep madwifi ---------- will give me all installed package for madwifi* but how can I remove all of them, I tried dpkg -P madwifi*, it doesn't work |
| 02:42.56 | SlicerDicer | I have been reading debian docs I dont see anyway to use reiserfs. Also I cant find out why the sk98lin driver wont work I am confused honestly... |
| 02:42.58 | tkinias | Gnea, no... just that up 'til now lprng has done what I needed it to do |
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| 02:43.00 | jjazz | tkinias: CUPS is pretty easy to use these days. |
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| 02:43.41 | Gnea | tkinias: i've been using CUPS to accomplish what you wish lprng could do for a couple years now in multiple situations/setups |
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| 02:44.13 | bmoore | nullvoid: try using apt-get remove madwifi\* |
| 02:44.50 | tkinias | OK... I'll give it a try... any gotchas I should know about moving a queue from lprng to cups? |
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| 02:45.31 | Gnea | well for network stuff, make sure you have nmap installed along with foomatic-gui |
| 02:45.50 | tkinias | Gnea, of course |
| 02:47.47 | mrwill | Gnea: nmap? |
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| 02:48.06 | tkinias | mrwill, to see what ports are open... |
| 02:48.19 | mrwill | tkinias: oh, right... |
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| 02:50.00 | nullvoid | bmoore: ok! is there a way to use dpkg ? |
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| 02:50.35 | saerdna | wich version of gnome is it in testing? |
| 02:50.54 | nullvoid | saerdna: the one in sarge ;) |
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| 02:51.21 | ugexe | anyone know why when i set konsole's scheme to transparent, that its not transparent at all? |
| 02:51.34 | sparr | Starting MTA: (90 second pause) exim4 <--- help? |
| 02:51.36 | bmoore | nullvoid: dpkg -l madwifi | egrep ^ii | xargs dpkg -p |
| 02:51.52 | bmoore | nullvoid: er, that won't work, actually |
| 02:51.57 | saerdna | nullvoid: yeah and thats wich verison? |
| 02:52.05 | draconian | with apt-build are there any options you have to add to gcc? |
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| 02:52.57 | stoicheia | saerdna: I believe that it's GNOME 2.8.1 currently in test (Debian Sarge) at this time |
| 02:53.02 | arango | How do enable the battery meter, power management, suspend and all that stuff ? |
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| 02:53.24 | saerdna | stoicheia: kk |
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| 02:53.56 | superCow | is there a quick way to search for packages that also lists their state (installed, unpacked, etc..)? |
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| 02:54.08 | Cindux | woo my acpi problem is fixed :P |
| 02:54.08 | nullvoid | saarango: apmd acpid |
| 02:54.13 | saerdna | why do i need to run alsaconf every time i reboot to get sound working? |
| 02:54.15 | Cindux | hey again all |
| 02:54.15 | chealer | superCow: synaptic? |
| 02:54.32 | Cindux | um |
| 02:54.36 | superCow | from the command line? |
| 02:54.36 | Cindux | I had 2 questions though |
| 02:54.53 | nullvoid | superCow: dpkg |
| 02:54.57 | nullvoid | superCow: man dpkg |
| 02:55.04 | superCow | I am reading it now nullvoid |
| 02:55.21 | nullvoid | good |
| 02:56.02 | Dull404 | is sarge really on 2dvd if you want to download it? |
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| 02:56.55 | Cindux | Could anyone help me with 2 really simple questions ? |
| 02:57.05 | Cindux | yes / no questions actually |
| 02:57.23 | thenuke | no one knows if they are able to help you. |
| 02:57.27 | mrwill | what directories should I include in the php.ini to use pear? |
| 02:57.29 | gravity | Cindux: Just ask your questions. If someone can answer they will. |
| 02:57.29 | Kvant | Dull404, you can install with only the 1st cd |
| 02:57.49 | thenuke | so dont bother asking something like reading your mind instead of asking to question itself in the first place |
| 02:57.59 | Cindux | ah |
| 02:58.00 | Cindux | lol |
| 02:58.01 | Cindux | well |
| 02:58.02 | Dull404 | Kvant: ok good. dvd2 is just "extra" ? |
| 02:58.10 | Cindux | I was wondering if we can change the name of your system? |
| 02:58.11 | chealer | !dstats sarge |
| 02:58.19 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15440 packages, 1399 maintainers, 28430 MB installed size, 9133 MB compressed size. |
| 02:58.24 | Cindux | (i.e I originally named this machine cindux@deviant) |
| 02:58.27 | Kvant | Dull404, yeah, |
| 02:58.30 | Cindux | id like to change it to cindux@linuxbox) |
| 02:58.41 | gravity | Cindux: /etc/hostname |
| 02:58.41 | mrwill | Cindux: just change /etc/hostname |
| 02:58.46 | Cindux | woah lol |
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| 02:59.03 | Cindux | er <linux newb |
| 02:59.11 | Cindux | um, do i open it with nano / less ? |
| 02:59.13 | gravity | Cindux: Also, use the hostname app to change it without rebooting |
| 02:59.15 | cthulfuego | Cindux: And possibly /etc/mailname and/or /etc/[mta]/configfile |
| 02:59.15 | Dull404 | Kvant: im getting Sarge RC2.... |
| 02:59.28 | gravity | Cindux: nano or another text editor. less is just a text pager (you can't edit in it) |
| 02:59.29 | bmoore | nullvoid: This is ugly, but should do what you want: grep-status -FPackage madwifi --and -FStatus installed -sPackage | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -r |
| 02:59.54 | Cindux | oh |
| 02:59.55 | Cindux | I didnt know that |
| 02:59.59 | Cindux | k thanks guys |
| 03:00.01 | Cindux | ill try that now |
| 03:00.22 | Cindux | brb |
| 03:00.22 | nullvoid | bmoore: wow |
| 03:01.06 | bmoore | nullvoid: There's probably a better way to get the full name of the installed packages that match madwifi, but I couldn't come up with it off the top of my head. |
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| 03:02.03 | arango | How do enable the battery meter, power management, suspend and all that stuff ? |
| 03:02.29 | Dull404 | Kvant: can i use Non US apps with sarge? or will it only work on woody? |
| 03:02.31 | vibey | I can not believe how much KDE has progressed since I last installed it |
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| 03:02.52 | vibey | i hadn't installed a GUI in over a year |
| 03:03.23 | nullvoid | bmoore: had you use farpd? |
| 03:03.29 | shingouz | Dull404: yes |
| 03:03.42 | shingouz | uhh.. nonus apps with any distro |
| 03:03.44 | bmoore | nullvoid: farpd? Nope. Never heard of it |
| 03:04.32 | nullvoid | bmoore: farpd job is to answer any unanswered arp request |
| 03:04.39 | nullvoid | it's a fake arp |
| 03:04.59 | bmoore | nullvoid: OK, Go on. |
| 03:05.17 | nullvoid | bmoore: at the moment I managed to get my box to answer the request, but now I need it to route the package |
| 03:05.33 | nullvoid | I run my farpd on my gateway machine as well |
| 03:05.53 | nullvoid | my problem is that the packet doesn't go through |
| 03:06.41 | SlicerDicer | can somebody please help me with my ethernet and getting it working I am trying to install and it keeps going stupid |
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| 03:06.50 | Dull404 | shingouz: ok thanks |
| 03:07.04 | nullvoid | SlicerDicer: what is your eth chipset? |
| 03:07.07 | SlicerDicer | i cannot get my yukon chipset to work at all... I am really getting frustrated |
| 03:07.26 | SlicerDicer | I would really like to use reiserfs too if that is possible |
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| 03:07.38 | nullvoid | does modconf have it in the list |
| 03:07.40 | SlicerDicer | I cant figure out how to use this disk that i got it does not seem to do all of wat I want. |
| 03:08.10 | bmoore | nullvoid: Typically, arp packets shouldn't be forwarded through a gateway, if my understanding is correct. |
| 03:08.12 | SlicerDicer | umm what you mean null it would help if I could even get debian installed without having massive errors |
| 03:08.19 | SlicerDicer | from the disk that is |
| 03:08.33 | bmoore | nullvoid: Have you turned on ip_forwarding? |
| 03:08.35 | SlicerDicer | I have tried now this is my 8th time its very frustrating... |
| 03:08.58 | nullvoid | bmoore: my gateway at the moment is working fine to get all the lan pc to the net |
| 03:09.11 | Dull404 | shingouz: hm.. jigdo-lite found 0 files out of 6000 .... thats weird |
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| 03:09.43 | SlicerDicer | nullvoid: its actually a sk98lin ethernet |
| 03:09.47 | shingouz | Dull404: what are you trying to do? burn a cd? |
| 03:10.13 | Dull404 | shingouz: burn sarge rc2 dvd iso... using jigdo to get it |
| 03:10.38 | bmoore | nullvoid: I guess I'm not sure what exactly is your question. |
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| 03:10.48 | SlicerDicer | the kernel on the disk is so bloody old I guess it does not work with my hardware.. |
| 03:10.58 | bdole | I was reading online about runlevels in debian. And it says I have to rename the script that starts X in order to prevent X from loading automatically at boot time because runlevels 2-5 are all the same on debian. Is this so? Is this the best way to prevent a system from booting directly in to X ? |
| 03:10.58 | shingouz | Dull404: check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:10.59 | nullvoid | bmoore: can you msg me your e-mail |
| 03:11.25 | slackd00d | where do i put command that i want to run at boot? ive checked in /etc/ and /etc/inir.d but i cant find one like rc.local |
| 03:11.28 | shingouz | Dull404: i am not quite sure how to get the stuff off jigdo, i havent done any install dvd's as of yet |
| 03:11.51 | Dull404 | shingouz: you supply the mirror you want. jigdo asks for it... |
| 03:12.14 | chealer | slackd00d: use update-rc.d |
| 03:12.25 | slackd00d | ok, ill check it out.thanks |
| 03:12.27 | SlicerDicer | nullvoid: ok thats it I have been trying to get help for the past 3 hours I am fedup with this I am going back to gentoo at least it works. I was going to give debian a chance but this is retarted everybody asks me initally what is the problem then ignores me WTF?!?! is this how you handle help? I mean seriously screw this. I am tired of wasting my time |
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| 03:13.13 | factotum | someone need to get some sunlight |
| 03:13.22 | shingouz | :) |
| 03:13.25 | Dull404 | ah.. maybe you need ot be root........ |
| 03:13.30 | nullvoid | bmoore: I got several mobile user with a static IP, and I don't want to trouble them to change their IP just to use the internet in my office, I know that farpd will answer the packet, and I hope it will do some magic to get it connected |
| 03:13.31 | factotum | *needs |
| 03:13.49 | superCow | hrmm.. dpkg shows 2 versions of kernel-headers installed.. which version ends up in /usr/include/linux and /usr/include/asm? or do they end up there at all? |
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| 03:14.34 | chealer | superCow: use dpkg -L packagename |
| 03:14.57 | superCow | yeah.. I did dpkg -l '*headers*' |
| 03:15.00 | bdole | what is the process for preventing debian from booting directly in to X |
| 03:15.09 | bmoore | nullvoid: This is where DHCP shines. I have no clue how to make a box route when its clients think another host is their router. |
| 03:15.11 | superCow | and it shows two versions of kernel headers installed |
| 03:15.21 | chealer | superCow: L in CAPS |
| 03:15.26 | superCow | both are tagged with an i.. |
| 03:15.26 | superCow | oh |
| 03:15.30 | cthulfuego | moo |
| 03:15.42 | shingouz | bdole: the easiest way i know of is to remove all the display managers |
| 03:15.58 | nvz | bdole: well you would first figure out what is starting X then stop it. its likely a display manager |
| 03:16.08 | Dull404 | anyone here good with jigdo? i cant get it to work.. no matching files found |
| 03:16.16 | bdole | shingouz: let me rephrase then :) i would like to use X so i can graphically browse the web at times... but for all other times i would like to boot automatically to prompt |
| 03:16.29 | sanxiyn | superCow: /usr/include/linux/* is from "linux-kernel-headers" package. |
| 03:16.37 | shingouz | bdole: when you want to use X you startx |
| 03:16.47 | bdole | when i did this in redhat. i changed the runlevel but it doesnt appear to be the same in debian |
| 03:16.51 | shingouz | there is a command "startx".... :) |
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| 03:17.02 | bdole | shingouz: i know how to start x... i just dont want it to start when i turn on my computer |
| 03:17.20 | Phated | bdole: Remove whatever display manager you have. gdm, xdm, kdm, and so on. |
| 03:17.33 | shingouz | bdole: you have some display manager there just like phated said |
| 03:17.33 | nvz | bdole: debian's runlevels are all the same by default, you would have to change the configuration |
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| 03:18.14 | nullvoid | bmoore: http://www.synchroweb.com/product_hotgate.htm |
| 03:18.16 | bdole | phated: this may be a dumb question but arent display managers necessary for running X ? Or are they simply there to initiate the login process and then pass things along to X |
| 03:18.32 | sanxiyn | bdole: Display managers are not necessary to run X. |
| 03:18.33 | nvz | bdole: right, they are just for login |
| 03:18.33 | shingouz | bdole: not necessary |
| 03:18.36 | Phated | bdole: If they were, then I don't understand why I'm running X. |
| 03:18.44 | nullvoid | bmoore: there are already product using linux doing this trick, I am just want to explore how they did it |
| 03:18.56 | bdole | thanks for the replies guys... i will remove the display managers then |
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| 03:19.12 | superCow | chealer, that dpkg -L cleared things up |
| 03:19.12 | superCow | thanks |
| 03:19.26 | factotum | yea, X by itself was a shocker first time I saw it, didnt even know about the de's or wm's lol |
| 03:19.51 | bmoore | nullvoid: The DHCP mechanism is the standard way to auto-configure. Mobile users use it all the time. Faking routing for statically configured IPs is beyond my knowledge. Sorry |
| 03:20.16 | nvz | Phated: hey |
| 03:20.29 | Phated | nvz: What's up? |
| 03:20.36 | bdole | nullvoid: are you talking about clientside dynamic routing? |
| 03:20.43 | nullvoid | ok, thanks anyway bmoore, but if you ran accros this, please let me know |
| 03:20.43 | nvz | Phated: just testing my config, needed someone to say something to me :P |
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| 03:21.05 | TMCAWA12G | WiNDOWS RULEZ!!! |
| 03:21.07 | Phated | nvz: Hah. Is it working? |
| 03:21.08 | bdole | haha |
| 03:21.10 | nvz | Phated: nope |
| 03:21.12 | Phated | !op TMCAWA12G |
| 03:21.15 | Phated | !ops TMCAWA12G |
| 03:21.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: TMCAWA12G |
| 03:21.17 | nullvoid | bdole: at the server side, zero config on client side |
| 03:21.23 | TMCAWA12G | WINDOWS RULES!! |
| 03:21.23 | Phated | nvz: Sucks. |
| 03:21.25 | nvz | Phated: apperently hilight_color isnt the color of people who talk to me |
| 03:21.29 | lawnchair | TMCAWA12G, youre god damn right |
| 03:21.31 | *** mode/#Debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
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| 03:21.32 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 03:21.33 | Phated | nvz: It isn't? |
| 03:21.35 | sanxiyn | TMCAWA12G: Ah, you corrected a typo. And? |
| 03:21.38 | nullvoid | bdole: the box which is a gateway also with farpd should do the trick |
| 03:21.46 | Phated | Ah, helix, thank you. :) |
| 03:21.53 | nvz | Phated: I guess not, cause its making you bright yellow, and hilight_color is %b |
| 03:22.05 | helix | lawnchair: why do you respond to trolls? |
| 03:22.29 | lawnchair | helix, <3 |
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| 03:22.35 | Phated | nvz: So isn't there anything that's %b? |
| 03:22.38 | bdole | nullvoid: sounds pretty interesting... so you have static clients but only while in your environment.. they are dhcp everywhere else? |
| 03:22.41 | helix | lawnchair: I'm serious |
| 03:22.49 | lawnchair | helix, im serious too |
| 03:22.52 | rob_ | quit |
| 03:22.55 | nullvoid-afk | bdole: http://www.synchroweb.com/product_hotgate.htm |
| 03:23.06 | helix | idiot |
| 03:23.16 | lawnchair | helix, :( |
| 03:23.20 | nvz | Phated: well for some reason shingouz turned blue when he said a line to bdole |
| 03:23.27 | nvz | Phated: but just that once *shrug* |
| 03:23.28 | nullvoid-afk | i'll be back soon |
| 03:23.35 | Phated | nvz: Heh. |
| 03:23.51 | nvz | Phated: oh, cause he said your name |
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| 03:23.54 | shingouz | nvz: huh? |
| 03:23.57 | nvz | Phated: and I had you on hilight |
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| 03:24.20 | nvz | Phated: so /hilights are hilight_color, and the nick of someone speaking at me is different |
| 03:24.24 | Phated | nvz: Awesome. So now at least you know what it is. :) |
| 03:24.35 | Dull404 | *gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah* i give up.. this jigdo thing is not working :/ |
| 03:24.45 | Phated | Man, why do you have me on hilight, nvz? :) |
| 03:24.48 | Dull404 | cant get sarge-dvd... |
| 03:25.08 | nvz | its back up to 80degF in here again.. hopefully its cooler outside |
| 03:25.31 | zeeble | 80F is warm? |
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| 03:25.34 | nvz | Phated: I don't anymore.. it was a diagnostic thing.. what can I say.. I can count on people saying your name |
| 03:25.56 | Phated | nvz: Hehe. :) |
| 03:25.58 | zeeble | sanxiyn: around 27C |
| 03:26.04 | sanxiyn | zeeble: Thanks |
| 03:26.04 | Phated | Warmish. |
| 03:26.18 | ding | Anyone know what if there is a package for a iec61883 library? apt-cache search doesn't turn up anything for me... |
| 03:26.38 | chealer | according to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ I should have X apps errors in ~/.gnome-errors since I'm using gdm, but I don't have that file. My errors go in .xsession-errors. Could the FAQ be wrong? |
| 03:27.14 | nvz | you generally up north want your house around 68degF, but down here 74degF is pretty reasonable.. but its been over 80 all day in here |
| 03:27.22 | chealer | I'm using gdm and KDE, though |
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| 03:28.31 | Dull404 | help please? |
| 03:29.48 | chealer | hum...jigdo...always had to look carefully to get that working. never tried DVD though |
| 03:30.55 | Dull404 | chealer: do i need to specify the path when it comes to sarge? the guide on debian shows of the official stable release.. wich is woody |
| 03:31.16 | jms | Where is a good channel to discuss FLAC? google suggested irc.xiph.org, but I can't connect to that server... (sorry, a bit off-topic, I know) |
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| 03:33.21 | chealer | Dull404: you checked that yet http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/ ? |
| 03:33.27 | superCow | is the linux-kernel-headers package simply the default for a particular branch? because I also see kernel-header-x.x.x packages.. |
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| 03:35.45 | Dull404 | chealer: im in -> http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/rc2/i386/ |
| 03:36.03 | cat | 97ityiiu |
| 03:36.31 | superCow | I downloaded the kernel-header-2.6.8 but these new headers aren't in /usr/include - they are in /usr/src.. what is the way to move the right directories from the new version to where they belong in /usr/include? |
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| 03:36.37 | Shylock | Can anyone give me their impression of running Debian on a Sony Viao T,S or FS series? |
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| 03:36.44 | debian | cat: thanks for the root password |
| 03:36.51 | zeeble | Shylock: http://www.linux-laptop.net |
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| 03:37.06 | zeeble | Shylock: check out reviews and howtos there. also tuxmobil.org |
| 03:37.15 | Shylock | zeeble: Thanks. |
| 03:38.01 | Corvette | anyone know a good channel to get freenode help? |
| 03:38.08 | ApEtc | #freenode ? |
| 03:38.16 | Corvette | I don't have voice there |
| 03:38.19 | Corvette | For some reason |
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| 03:38.25 | nvz | Corvette: just wait, what do you need? |
| 03:38.29 | chealer | Dull404: that seems similar. what's wrong? |
| 03:38.31 | mccbaka | nvz: someone's flooding #c |
| 03:38.38 | Corvette | I want to know how to add a nick to chanserv |
| 03:38.43 | Corvette | as long as it's registered |
| 03:38.45 | nullvoid | bdole: any luck |
| 03:38.47 | Corvette | (so that that nick cna op itself |
| 03:38.48 | mccbaka | nvz: if that's an offer :) |
| 03:38.49 | Corvette | ) |
| 03:38.51 | nvz | read the /topic in freenode |
| 03:38.58 | nvz | locate a staffer |
| 03:39.00 | Corvette | thanks |
| 03:39.12 | Dull404 | chealer: jigdo cant find the files that it needs to build the dvd... says 0 out of 6900 files found. |
| 03:39.18 | jcook | need networking help |
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| 03:39.22 | nvz | if I could help you I would, but I can't so you have to find a staffer :P |
| 03:39.30 | zeeble | nvz: heh |
| 03:39.31 | mccbaka | thank you |
| 03:39.34 | ApEtc | Corvette: Are you thinking of nickserv's link command? |
| 03:39.46 | chealer | Dull404: hum, I guess I'm going to install jigdo and try |
| 03:39.46 | Dull404 | chealer: ftp.XX.debian.org/debian - and XX is se |
| 03:39.52 | Corvette | No, I want to add another nick as an op in a channel |
| 03:39.58 | Dull404 | chealer: thanks!!! :) |
| 03:40.07 | ApEtc | Corvette: Ahh, nm then |
| 03:40.12 | nvz | Corvette: your personal alias? |
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| 03:40.32 | chealer | Dull404: you tried another one (fr, something?) |
| 03:40.37 | michal_ | hi. can anyone recommend some easy to use tunneling software? we have to deal with a very recalcitrant wide area vpn provider and want to avoid their issues by setting up tunnels through which we can control the routes.. any ideas? |
| 03:40.41 | nvz | Corvette: you can /msg nickserv help or /msg chanserv help |
| 03:41.00 | Corvette | Did that already |
| 03:41.02 | Corvette | it does it by hostmask |
| 03:41.04 | Corvette | Which is strange |
| 03:41.09 | jah_raztah | who here has a very cool looking desktop and can send me a screenshot for ideas |
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| 03:41.34 | Dull404 | chealer: nope, ill try... |
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| 03:41.50 | Shazzy | www.peoplesprimary.com/FreedomIsntFree |
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| 03:42.35 | Corvette | oops, I clicked that link and it popped up a thousand windows at once |
| 03:42.47 | nvz | heh, you on windows? |
| 03:42.56 | Corvette | Luckly it's firefox, I just held alt + f4 and it closed them all (including xchat) |
| 03:42.58 | jah_raztah | ye |
| 03:43.09 | nvz | Shazzy is obviously a spambot I guess |
| 03:43.28 | nvz | well more like a moron |
| 03:43.30 | debian | Shazzy: owner |
| 03:43.35 | nvz | a bot would not have done it that badly |
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| 03:44.01 | debian | no bot would scoop that low |
| 03:44.14 | chealer | and with Shazbot name :) |
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| 03:46.07 | michal_ | guess nobody here uses tunnels :/ |
| 03:46.40 | g8se | Hi. I've got two debian PC's at home. On one of them Thai characters are displayed fine, on the other, they are not. Any pointers? (I don't have access to them at the moment, I'm at work) |
| 03:46.41 | nvz | I've found myself trying to properly categorize games on the PC, since the number of them will not fit neatly onto any panel or menu.. I come to find out its not easy.. they all sort of overlap, and there ends up being one huge category and a few tiny ones |
| 03:46.56 | superCow | I installed the kernel-headers packages but it didn't put the kernel headers in /usr/include.. is it ok to just copy the linux and asm directories from /usr/src/kernel-headers.../include to /usr/include? would that be complete and generally an ok way to do it? |
| 03:47.49 | Dull404 | whats the command for delete a folder with its contents? |
| 03:47.50 | jetscreamer | they go in /usr/src/kernel-headers-blah if you didn't find them |
| 03:47.55 | jetscreamer | rm -R |
| 03:48.04 | Dull404 | thanks |
| 03:48.12 | jetscreamer | oh you did |
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| 03:48.28 | Shylock | zeeble: No love. I actually had checked those sites earlier and didn't remember. I guess these laptops are a bit too new. |
| 03:48.31 | nullvoid | rm -rf |
| 03:48.46 | zeeble | Shylock: oh .. too bad :/ |
| 03:49.00 | doub | superCow: there's a linux-kernel-headers for the /usr/include/linux stuff |
| 03:49.39 | jetscreamer | is that that 5.999 package? |
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| 03:50.01 | superCow | doub - yeah, I was a little confused by that.. should I uninstallb that one and manually copy the new ones in? |
| 03:50.03 | superCow | jet - it is |
| 03:50.24 | superCow | my linux-kernel-headers is the 5.99 one.. my kernel-headers I just got is 2.6.8 |
| 03:50.26 | jetscreamer | don't think so |
| 03:50.38 | doub | superCow: why do you want do do that? |
| 03:50.40 | SlicerDicer | Ok well I found something new so this may be of help I dont know I am still lost. I have used bf42 install option I found my network driver but when I go to start it the thing goes stupid it says no such device |
| 03:50.42 | Moraiat | any irc cops? |
| 03:50.43 | Dull404 | chealer: its not working.. tried .fr mirror |
| 03:50.48 | jetscreamer | i've never even seen anybody ever reference those headers before in this channel |
| 03:51.05 | jetscreamer | usually you use the /usr/src/kernel-headers to compile against |
| 03:51.07 | SlicerDicer | Do I need to build my own kernel if so how do i go about it I dont have any way to build stuff that I can see |
| 03:51.22 | jetscreamer | !tell SlicerDicer about kp |
| 03:51.31 | jetscreamer | no you don't need to build your own, but you can |
| 03:51.41 | doub | superCow: these are used by "GNU glibc and other system libraries" as the package description says |
| 03:51.45 | nvz | Moraiat: IRC cops? heh. you mean IRC OPs? |
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| 03:52.08 | superCow | jet - but what if the program I am compiling does #include <asm/xxx.h> - wouldn't it reference the ones in /usr/include instead of /usr/src/kernel-headers-xxx ? |
| 03:52.08 | jetscreamer | linux-kernel 2.5.999-tes 2.5.999-tes Linux Kernel Headers for development != kernel-headers-forthekernel |
| 03:52.12 | g8se | Is there a debian thai channel? |
| 03:52.14 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 03:52.21 | doub | superCow: if you want to build an out of kernel module, the kernel-headers-* is what you want |
| 03:52.24 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: I dont have the package nor do I have internet so thats a no go |
| 03:52.26 | nvz | dpkg, thai? |
| 03:52.27 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, nvz |
| 03:52.30 | jetscreamer | all i know is what i've said. mainly that i know nothing |
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| 03:52.38 | nullvoid | g8se: why you need it in thai |
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| 03:52.47 | chealer | Dull404: same error? please point to you jigdo-lite output |
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| 03:53.13 | superCow | ok.. doh.. |
| 03:53.17 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: this is why I am getting so frustrated can I find the package manually put it in etc and make this work I really want to get this done I have been without a computer all day |
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| 03:53.18 | jetscreamer | !info kernel-package |
| 03:53.20 | g8se | nullvoid: I don't need thai. I've got a border living with me recently who would like to be able to read thai webpages, and gaim messages. |
| 03:53.22 | dpkg | kernel-package: (A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.121 (sid), Packaged size: 343 kB, Installed size: 1816 kB |
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| 03:53.30 | g8se | nullvoid: I need help making that happen |
| 03:53.30 | doub | superCow: if your program is userland, it has nothing to do with kernel-headers (those in /usr/src) |
| 03:53.41 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, it fits on a floppy... there may be more you need... |
| 03:53.49 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: I dont have a floppydrive |
| 03:53.51 | jetscreamer | o |
| 03:53.58 | jetscreamer | well it will for sure fit on a cd |
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| 03:54.00 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:54.05 | superCow | I am compiling a module that looks at the headers |
| 03:54.14 | SlicerDicer | of course but where do i get the file where do I put it etc |
| 03:54.15 | g8se | nullvoid: I've somehow managed to get it to work on one computer at home, but no the one that my boarder will be using. |
| 03:54.16 | SlicerDicer | thats my problem |
| 03:54.16 | superCow | well, it must of course |
| 03:54.17 | nullvoid | g8se: read thai font via firefox? |
| 03:54.23 | jetscreamer | just reference the headers you downloaded |
| 03:54.40 | doub | superCow: so you need to point it to kernel headers in /usr/src/ |
| 03:54.42 | g8se | nullvoid: I don't understand? |
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| 03:54.54 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, packages.debian.org, the you jsut dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 03:55.08 | SlicerDicer | I dont understand jetscreamer |
| 03:55.13 | SlicerDicer | I dont have internet on but 1 box |
| 03:55.17 | superCow | I could, but wouldn't it be better to put the headers in the standard location so I don't have to re-reference for future modules? |
| 03:55.20 | nullvoid | g8se: try apt-cache search thai |
| 03:55.22 | SlicerDicer | and its a bitch to search stuff so I really need to know what to look for |
| 03:55.32 | SlicerDicer | exactly what file..... |
| 03:55.43 | SlicerDicer | I also dont want to waste disks for no reason |
| 03:55.50 | doub | superCow: no, because these are separate headers |
| 03:55.51 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, ok go to packages.debian.org and d/l whatever, then on the other box you dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 03:55.51 | g8se | nullvoid: returns some hits, but I don't have any of the returned packages on the computer that works. |
| 03:56.00 | superCow | I guess my question is whether it is ok to copy /usr/src/kernel-headers-x.x.x/include/{asm,linux} to /usr/include |
| 03:56.06 | SlicerDicer | I dont know what .deb to look for man be serious and read what I am saying |
| 03:56.11 | doub | superCow: the ones in /usr/include are for programs, those in /usr/src for kernel and modules |
| 03:56.16 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, apt-cache search <searchterm? |
| 03:56.18 | SlicerDicer | I have never used debian before how the hell am I suposto know what package to look for? |
| 03:56.21 | StereoSkit | Hi all, im installing sarge on a pc and a message appeared, i dont know what that means, the msg goes like "Please enter the video card's bus identifier" |
| 03:56.24 | nullvoid | g8se: you want to read website in thai ? |
| 03:56.25 | superCow | doub - they are separate but what is the use of keeping older headers in /usr/include ? |
| 03:56.32 | dns21 | would anybody be able to explain my inability to connect to the internet, I have tried manually configuring dhcp as well as static connections to no avail, either way, i can always ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 03:56.34 | superCow | ahh.. |
| 03:56.35 | nullvoid | g8se: using your browser? |
| 03:56.35 | superCow | hrmm |
| 03:56.36 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, then you need internet or a full current cd |
| 03:56.43 | StereoSkit | anybody knows what that means, im using a Radeon 700 video card |
| 03:56.45 | g8se | nullvoid: Yes, that is what I want to work. |
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| 03:56.54 | nullvoid | oic |
| 03:56.56 | g8se | nullvoid: as well as getting gaim to work displaying thai |
| 03:57.04 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: everything you are telling me is for "PEOPLE" with a internet connection on there debian box it makes it worthless for me |
| 03:57.07 | chealer | StereoSkit: leave it blank |
| 03:57.19 | chealer | StereoSkit: it should tell you so |
| 03:57.28 | superCow | doub - the ones for programs in /usr/include don't get updated with each kernel revision though? |
| 03:57.34 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, what i told you at first was for ppl w/only one connect and a netless box to install stuff on |
| 03:57.36 | doub | superCow: i bet those in /usr/include are only constants and structures, so the version number is not much of relevant |
| 03:57.49 | zeeble | g8se: have you read the Thai howto? |
| 03:57.57 | SlicerDicer | well everything that I have done that you told me to do does not work or renders massive errors |
| 03:57.57 | StereoSkit | chealer, it doesnt, tnx for the answer, but anyway do you know what is it |
| 03:58.02 | superCow | hrmm.. |
| 03:58.06 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, you could just d/l to your windows box and burn a cd |
| 03:58.08 | g8se | zeeble: No, where can I find it? |
| 03:58.10 | SlicerDicer | so how is this working? do you want me to type out everything in the console on my otherbox I will look |
| 03:58.14 | SlicerDicer | I dont use windows |
| 03:58.15 | doub | superCow: i've seen stated somewhere that userland - kernel interface only changes once per major version number |
| 03:58.26 | zeeble | g8se: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Thai-HOWTO.html , http://linux.thai.net/~thep/thai-howto/thai-howto.html |
| 03:58.26 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, then the box with the internet |
| 03:58.30 | nullvoid | g8se: http://linux.thai.net/firefox-thai |
| 03:58.32 | zeeble | g8se: read tham both. |
| 03:58.41 | chealer | StereoSkit: don't you read "Users of machines other than PowerPCs or SGI Indigo2 XLs with only one video card should leave this entry blank."? |
| 03:58.42 | g8se | zeeble: I'll do that |
| 03:58.51 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, is this sarge or woody |
| 03:58.53 | ubuntud00d | SlicerDicer: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:59.03 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: Ok here is my problem you keep saying downloading files what the files?!?! how do I find the name?!?!? |
| 03:59.09 | StereoSkit | holly, the last screen, sorry for the stupid answer |
| 03:59.11 | SlicerDicer | I am trying to get my ethernet working |
| 03:59.15 | StereoSkit | err: question |
| 03:59.16 | jetscreamer | you can d/l a full cd image and use the cd as an apt source |
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| 03:59.29 | ubuntud00d | SlicerDicer: whats the problem? |
| 03:59.39 | ubuntud00d | is the module not loading or what |
| 03:59.41 | SlicerDicer | i run a modprobe sk98lin and it says that no such device |
| 03:59.42 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, woody or sarge, and which nic |
| 03:59.42 | chealer | StereoSkit: it's the third time I see it in 3 days, so you're not alone at least :) |
| 03:59.49 | hanasaki | how can i tell what linux thinks my pci buss is set at? |
| 03:59.50 | nullvoid | g8se: I can read website in thai ;) |
| 03:59.51 | nullvoid | heh |
| 04:00.04 | g8se | nullvoid: that webpage has mostly thai characters, which I can't read! (I don't know thai, and the computer I'm using at work is not setup to work with thai either). |
| 04:00.05 | nullvoid | hanasaki: lspci ? |
| 04:00.13 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: I have no idea what woody or sarge are so that does not help. I just downloaded what debian.org linked me too |
| 04:00.13 | dns21 | i am in the middle of a network install but I don't have the network, debian was not able to connect to the apt-get sources so I am stuck with a manual config, dmesg and lspci show my cards are installed properly |
| 04:00.20 | jetscreamer | hanasaki, you probably want PCI:1:0:0, if you're doint the xserver thing, but you can leave it blank |
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| 04:00.25 | Looserfer | http://torrents.nimp.org/?u=Rucas/FreedomIsntFree |
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| 04:00.41 | chealer | *shrug* |
| 04:00.47 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, how/where did you get your install cd (or whatever you used) |
| 04:00.54 | dns21 | i have also tried the deb wiki which didn't get me very far |
| 04:01.06 | hanasaki | actually.. i was trying to tune my ide stuff. |
| 04:01.11 | nullvoid | g8se: http://www.khwai.com/article.php?story=20050130153316875 |
| 04:01.13 | StereoSkit | chealer, the memory in kB should be 1024xMEM or 1000xMEM (MEM=MEMORY -64MB in my case-)? |
| 04:01.18 | jetscreamer | hanasaki, no idea then |
| 04:01.20 | zeeble | g8se: http://linux.thai.net/~thep/thai-howto/thai-howto.html <-- use that to setup thai. then goto the linux nullvoid old you. |
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| 04:01.23 | zeeble | *todl |
| 04:01.40 | hanasaki | ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx <= i thought pci was 66? |
| 04:01.48 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:02.18 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: sec I got someobdy talking to me in /msg |
| 04:02.20 | nullvoid | hanasaki: http://linux-ide.org |
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| 04:02.23 | Dull404 | chealer: did it work for u? |
| 04:02.25 | jetscreamer | unless you have that 64bit pci maybe |
| 04:02.29 | jetscreamer | it's 33 |
| 04:02.36 | hanasaki | k |
| 04:02.37 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 04:02.40 | doub | dns21: your ip address is set up correclty at least, if you can ping |
| 04:02.47 | chealer | Dull404: I didn't try yet. I asked you to post you jigdo-lite output |
| 04:02.50 | dns21 | doub: yes |
| 04:02.51 | jab | How do I find which packages depend on httpd-cgi? |
| 04:03.06 | jetscreamer | jab, /msg dpkg depends <blah> |
| 04:03.06 | Dull404 | chealer: ok, just a sec... |
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| 04:03.20 | doub | dns21: so you have a DHCP server somewhere, right? |
| 04:03.22 | chealer | StereoSkit: are you using an integrated video chip? |
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| 04:03.41 | StereoSkit | nop |
| 04:03.43 | arango | I heard there is a way to invoke grub from windows using boot.ini. I need to do this because XP for tablet PC overwrites grub from the MBR every time you run XP ... |
| 04:03.50 | arango | how is it done ? |
| 04:04.01 | jab | jetscreamer: it's a virtual package |
| 04:04.05 | dns21 | doub: i really want to connect statically, but my router acts as a dhcp server, yes |
| 04:04.09 | chealer | StereoSkit: I read "Typically, the amount of dedicated memory your video card has is autodetected by the X server" on my side. so I leave it blank too |
| 04:04.51 | doub | dns21: so if you know what addresses you need, just put them in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 04:04.53 | jab | jetscream: apt-cache rdepends httpd-cgi tells me nothing |
| 04:05.04 | dns21 | doub: i have done that |
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| 04:05.25 | StereoSkit | chealer, i hope it works ok |
| 04:05.29 | StereoSkit | tnx |
| 04:05.51 | doub | dns21: so you either misconfigured the gateway, DNS, or both |
| 04:05.55 | ireverentReveren | are the only 2 requirments for an initrd free kernel that the ide support and the fs support are directly built into the kernel? |
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| 04:06.21 | Dull404 | chealer: posted in pm |
| 04:06.30 | dns21 | doub: i have the gateway correct, i know that |
| 04:06.48 | jetscreamer | jab, there is no package named that. and no package contains that as far as apt-file is concerned. |
| 04:06.56 | chealer | Dull404: don't do that without asking, post on #flood |
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| 04:07.03 | dns21 | doub: if i go the static rout, do i need to set a dns server? |
| 04:07.15 | doub | dns21: yes |
| 04:07.18 | jetscreamer | yes you need a dns server with static |
| 04:07.18 | chealer | Dull404: and post the full jigdo-lite output, including what your answer to questions |
| 04:07.30 | doub | dns21: man resolv.conf |
| 04:07.31 | dns21 | doub: and is that going to be in resolv.conf? |
| 04:07.35 | doub | dns21: yes |
| 04:07.51 | jetscreamer | gateway too , least here |
| 04:08.01 | doub | dns21: basically put there "nameserver [ip of DNS]" |
| 04:08.15 | Dull404 | chealer: sorry, ok |
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| 04:09.11 | dns21 | doub: this is a little out of context from what I am used to, is the dns going to be my internet provider or my router, because i thought the router took care of it from there? |
| 04:09.24 | jetscreamer | neither |
| 04:09.37 | Dull404 | chealer: its in #flood now |
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| 04:09.53 | doub | dns21: if your router has a DNS server, use it, if not, your ISP's |
| 04:10.08 | jetscreamer | ah 's |
| 04:10.16 | cfh_dev | What's the best ftp server to install? |
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| 04:10.29 | doub | dns21: but it can't automagically take care of it |
| 04:10.53 | dns21 | doub: as of right now, my resolv.conf shows 192.168.0.1 (my router) |
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| 04:11.12 | doub | dns21: with "nameserver " in front of it ? |
| 04:11.29 | dns21 | doub: i have also noticed in there a line showing "search xxx.xxx.xxxxxx" |
| 04:11.34 | dns21 | doub: yes |
| 04:11.39 | chealer | Dull404: what OS are you running jigdo-lite on? |
| 04:11.50 | chealer | Dull404: that really doesn't look like what you have |
| 04:11.56 | dns21 | doub: however the search is not configured properly right now |
| 04:11.58 | nullvoid | !dpkg tell cfh_dev -about best |
| 04:12.05 | doub | dns21: this is the default domain to search for non fully qualified addresses |
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| 04:12.19 | dns21 | doub: meaning? |
| 04:12.23 | doub | dns21: man resolv.conf will tell you the whole storuy |
| 04:12.47 | Dull404 | chealer: im running debian sarge.... |
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| 04:12.51 | doub | dns21: this means "search example.com", and you input adress "host", it will search host.example.com |
| 04:13.13 | doub | dns21: whereas www.google.com will search www.google.com because it's fully qualified |
| 04:13.14 | nullvoid | just put address of a dns server in resolv.conf |
| 04:13.14 | chealer | Dull404: you're running debian sarge, and you're trying to download it? |
| 04:13.26 | doub | dns21: but this is not important for you |
| 04:13.34 | dns21 | nullvoid: its already there |
| 04:13.48 | nullvoid | can you ping using fqdn? |
| 04:13.50 | Dull404 | chealer: i did net install.. but it turned out really buggy... got connection errors, missing packages.. etc.. i want to do it all over |
| 04:13.53 | doub | dns21: so what happens if you do "ping www.google.com" |
| 04:14.02 | jetscreamer | you need a gateway |
| 04:14.13 | jetscreamer | to specify a |
| 04:14.20 | doub | jetscreamer: he told me it's configured already |
| 04:14.23 | jetscreamer | o |
| 04:14.26 | Dull404 | chealer: and i want to install on a networkless computer too |
| 04:14.38 | jetscreamer | magically? ppoe did it maybe, or dhcp |
| 04:14.40 | chealer | Dull404: and this is the jigdo-lite command that you're running? |
| 04:14.44 | dns21 | doub: it will wait for about a minute then.... |
| 04:14.53 | jetscreamer | use bittorrent omg |
| 04:14.57 | Dull404 | chealer: yes |
| 04:15.13 | dns21 | doub: i get "ping: unknown host google.com" |
| 04:15.21 | jetscreamer | it's faster just to d/l it straight via ftp anyway |
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| 04:15.30 | jetscreamer | dns21 and you ping an ip? |
| 04:15.33 | doub | dns21: can you ping 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 04:15.35 | jetscreamer | s/and/can/ |
| 04:15.39 | dns21 | doub: yes |
| 04:15.44 | nullvoid | dns21: try ping cfh_dev |
| 04:15.45 | dns21 | doub: works perfectly |
| 04:15.46 | nullvoid | shit |
| 04:16.00 | jetscreamer | dns21 can you ping some other ip, non-local? |
| 04:16.03 | doub | dns21: can you ping 66.102.11.104 ? |
| 04:16.12 | nullvoid | dns21: try ping 66.102.7.147 |
| 04:16.13 | dan2 | "Microsoft Corp., world largest software maker, and Pfizer, the Viagra maker, has teamed up to fight Spam rigorously." |
| 04:16.17 | Kvant | arango, http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html |
| 04:16.18 | chealer | Dull404: well I'm confused then. I'll post you my own initial output in #flood so you know why |
| 04:16.26 | dan2 | dpkg: no, qotd is "Microsoft Corp., world largest software maker, and Pfizer, the Viagra maker, has teamed up to fight Spam rigorously." |
| 04:16.26 | dpkg | okay, dan2 |
| 04:16.28 | cfh_dev | How did I become a ping point? |
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| 04:16.40 | dns21 | doub: nullvoid: would that not be the same thing as google.com? |
| 04:16.47 | jetscreamer | ah shit did you just fuxor the quotd's? |
| 04:16.50 | doub | dns21: except you skip dns |
| 04:17.15 | jetscreamer | !quotd0 |
| 04:17.15 | jetscreamer | !quot0 |
| 04:17.23 | dan2 | jetscreamer: qotd |
| 04:17.26 | samuel | sup all |
| 04:17.31 | jetscreamer | !quod0 |
| 04:17.34 | jetscreamer | god |
| 04:17.38 | jetscreamer | i cannot read |
| 04:17.41 | doub | jetscreamer: isnt it qotd0 |
| 04:17.42 | Dull404 | chealer: yes its the same, i just skippet that part.. because that works.. downloading the .jigdo and .template |
| 04:17.51 | jetscreamer | !qotd0 |
| 04:17.52 | dpkg | well, qotd102 is <]BdS[DrDefrag> i want to overclock my proliant dl580 g2 to compile the 2.6 kernel more quickly. any recommendations ? |
| 04:18.08 | doub | dns21: does it work ? |
| 04:18.08 | cef | jetscreamer: seems like you can't type either |
| 04:18.17 | dns21 | doub: no |
| 04:18.26 | chealer | Dull404: well, please post the entire output. I'm not at all used to jigdo |
| 04:18.30 | jetscreamer | dns21 you have no dns lookups happening it seems |
| 04:18.30 | nullvoid | dns21: what route -n says |
| 04:18.36 | jetscreamer | or connectivity |
| 04:18.37 | doub | dns21: is your router's connection active? |
| 04:18.40 | dan2 | !qotd |
| 04:18.40 | dpkg | [qotd] "Microsoft Corp., world largest software maker, and Pfizer, the Viagra maker, has teamed up to fight Spam rigorously." |
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| 04:19.16 | chealer | !qotd2 |
| 04:19.16 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 04:19.25 | dns21 | doub: yes router's connection is active but I think we found the money spot |
| 04:19.27 | jetscreamer | dns21, 'how' did your dns and gateway's get populated in resolv.conf... you entered the values, or they were there? |
| 04:19.47 | dns21 | jetscreamer: i have been at this for a long time, i probably put it there |
| 04:19.53 | Dull404 | chealer: your version says it reads mirrors from /etc/apt/sources.list ... mine doesnt |
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| 04:20.21 | chealer | Dull404: do you have such a file? |
| 04:20.22 | jetscreamer | my point is pppoe (maybe dhcp i dunno) will enter values that will not work (least here) for a static ip |
| 04:20.40 | dns21 | doub: jetscreamer: when i run "route -n" i get an incorrect gateway, well a null gateway, and an odd destination (192.168.0.0) |
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| 04:20.47 | dns21 | seems to me that should be 192.168.0.1 |
| 04:20.52 | jetscreamer | iirc no |
| 04:20.55 | doub | dns21: the second one is ok |
| 04:21.02 | samuel | should i use the /etc/cron file to put a root job? or the one in /var/.....? |
| 04:21.02 | Dull404 | chealer: i dont know.. one sec |
| 04:21.05 | dns21 | doub: really? |
| 04:21.11 | Dull404 | chealer: look in #flood |
| 04:21.20 | doub | dns21: wait, all depend if it's on the same line or not |
| 04:21.29 | jetscreamer | dns21 i think that's for your router and it's dhcp |
| 04:21.41 | jetscreamer | beyond me though |
| 04:21.54 | jetscreamer | i can do static. |
| 04:22.06 | dns21 | jetscreamer: i went back to static, i don't want to get dhcp set up only to have to switch it again |
| 04:22.16 | Dull404 | chealer: yes i have sources.list ... contains some mirrors |
| 04:22.27 | dns21 | doub: it is on the same line, there is one line, multiple columns |
| 04:22.28 | Dull404 | chealer: those i used for netinstall |
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| 04:23.05 | doub | dns21: you only have 1 line, begining with "0.0.0.0" ? |
| 04:23.11 | dns21 | doub: either way i need to modify my gateway but i'm coming from slackware and it wasn't the same command, I didn't understand it because i actually tried it before |
| 04:23.42 | doub | dns21: can you paste /etc/network/interfaces in #flood ? |
| 04:23.45 | dns21 | doub: it begins with destination which is 192.158.0.0 followed by the gateway column which is 0.0.0.0 |
| 04:23.55 | dns21 | doub: no |
| 04:24.09 | doub | dns21: 192.168 you mean ? |
| 04:24.27 | karjala | Is anyone here familiar with cyrus on sarge? I'm trying to follow the simple instructions on README.Debian.simpleinstall.gz, but I can't do the step where it says "cyradm --user cyrus localhost". I get "cyradm: cannot connect to server"... |
| 04:24.36 | doub | dns21: anyway that means you don't have a default route |
| 04:24.38 | dns21 | doub: i just need to modify the routing table to add the default gateway |
| 04:25.03 | karjala | I really would try to figure out why on my own, but I'm in a hurry... |
| 04:25.04 | dns21 | doub: correct, and i don't know the syntax i thought i corrected that earlier, i think it is different with slackware (what i am familiar with) |
| 04:25.18 | jetscreamer | dns21 what kind of connect is this? some commercial T1/phat pipe, or like dsl or something |
| 04:25.25 | doub | dns21: put a "gateway 192.168.0.1" in the appropriate section of /etc/network/resolv.conf |
| 04:25.41 | doub | dns21: interfaces sorry |
| 04:25.49 | chitiri | i'm not able to enter an ó as user ID with gpg using an UTF8 locale, any hint ? |
| 04:26.13 | dns21 | doub: the gateway is correct there |
| 04:26.13 | samuel | does updatedb get run by default by cron or something? |
| 04:26.33 | doub | dns21: ok so do "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" for changes to take effect |
| 04:26.42 | dns21 | doub: isn't there a need to run something like route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth0 or something? |
| 04:26.58 | doub | dns21: you can but this will disapear on shutdown |
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| 04:27.13 | Kvant | samuel, yes, by /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 04:27.14 | doub | dns21: whereas ifup is what's called at bootup from /etc/net/ifaces config |
| 04:27.14 | Mr_Hawkins | anyone awake ? |
| 04:27.18 | Mr_Hawkins | coo |
| 04:27.19 | Mr_Hawkins | l |
| 04:27.21 | Mr_Hawkins | =) |
| 04:27.24 | samuel | Kvant, thanks |
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| 04:27.34 | dns21 | doub: ifdown then up gets me nowhere |
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| 04:27.46 | Mr_Hawkins | anyone able to help me out for a sec ? |
| 04:27.50 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:28.06 | jetscreamer | dns21, is this dsl or what. |
| 04:28.08 | dns21 | jetscreamer: because that "internal" ip is my router which gets me out of this godforsaken network, right? |
| 04:28.14 | jetscreamer | !tell Mr_Hawkins about ask |
| 04:28.18 | dns21 | jetscreamer: cable |
| 04:28.26 | dns21 | jetscreamer: local network |
| 04:28.37 | doub | dns21: what happens ? |
| 04:28.44 | dns21 | same thing |
| 04:28.44 | doub | dns21: is eth0 back up ? |
| 04:28.48 | samuel | Kvant, ive a laptop and installed also anacron... it wont conflict with cron, will it? |
| 04:28.50 | jetscreamer | dns21, in my experience, the router is transparent |
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| 04:29.02 | doub | dns21: just an idea, what's your host ip ? |
| 04:29.27 | Mr_Hawkins | i am kinda new to debian |
| 04:29.33 | jetscreamer | jsut ask |
| 04:29.33 | doub | jetscreamer: if using DHCP or something |
| 04:29.34 | Mr_Hawkins | and i am having some problems |
| 04:29.42 | jetscreamer | ASK |
| 04:29.42 | dns21 | doub: my host ip? |
| 04:29.53 | doub | dns21: yes the machine you're connecting the router to |
| 04:30.07 | Mr_Hawkins | when i select a diffrent resolution then 800x600 i get some pretty strange screen tarings |
| 04:30.09 | dns21 | 192.168.0.100 |
| 04:30.14 | Dull404 | chealer: any luck? |
| 04:30.22 | Fidget007 | is there an installation manual for something like install debian from linux on a floppy (not a floppy based install, but a network install from a system booted off a floppy) |
| 04:30.22 | Mr_Hawkins | i am running on a laptop |
| 04:30.31 | jetscreamer | dns21 ok that's your local ip, what is your static ip that your isp assigned to you |
| 04:30.36 | doub | dns21: can you paste ifconfig's output in #flood ? |
| 04:30.45 | dns21 | doub: no |
| 04:30.51 | Mr_Hawkins | *tearings |
| 04:31.05 | doub | jetscreamer: if i'm correct, the router takes care of masquerading the LAN |
| 04:31.29 | chealer | Dull404: yes, I'm trying to get badluck |
| 04:31.42 | dns21 | doub: when i use the "route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth0" i get "file exists" |
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| 04:31.50 | jetscreamer | doub, he said he's trying to set up a static ip i thought. |
| 04:32.03 | doub | dns21: "route add -net default gw 192.168.0.1" maybe |
| 04:32.09 | jetscreamer | ohh nm |
| 04:32.11 | doub | dns21: or see what route -n says |
| 04:32.18 | jetscreamer | static local ip |
| 04:32.29 | doub | jetscreamer: yes on the client, not the router |
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| 04:32.42 | Fidget007 | how can I get deboostrap to function if I have error: debootstrap-0.2.45/debootstrap: line 15: /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions: No such file or directory? |
| 04:33.11 | doub | Fidget007: you need to install it completely |
| 04:33.27 | jetscreamer | Mr_Hawkins, do you know the specs of your monitor? most laptops use 60hrefresh and only do 1024x768, but there are exceptions. |
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| 04:33.50 | chealer | Dull404: got the badluck. try http://ftp.se... instead of ftp://ftp.se... |
| 04:33.50 | Fidget007 | doub: I don't have make |
| 04:34.05 | jasz | I'm running gdm.. and I use WindowMaker as my default session.. why is it that I see three different processes involving WindowMaker? /usr/lib/WindowMaker/WindowMaker << that's one ... /usr/lib/ssh-agent /usr/binwmaker << that/s the second one .. and : /usr/lib/WindowMaker/WindowMaker --for-real << which is the third one.. |
| 04:34.45 | Fidget007 | doub: is there an installation instruction guide that doesn't depend on deboostrap? i.e. something that tells me what to untar where, which release I should use, etc? |
| 04:35.02 | doub | Fidget007: i guess not |
| 04:35.04 | jasz | in the past I used WindowMaker and I only saw one process... now it's three... isnt that a waste of good cpu cycles? |
| 04:35.16 | Dull404 | chealer: i just did.... same same. but if you let it go, it will find 5files out of 69000... maybe i should just wait, since it says 'Exacly' so in the jigdo-lite Howto |
| 04:35.22 | doub | Fidget007: you can try and see what commands "make install" would run in the makefile |
| 04:35.31 | doub | Fidget007: and execute them by hand |
| 04:35.47 | Fidget007 | doub: thanks |
| 04:36.04 | Dull404 | chealer: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/downloadingyourfirstimage.html |
| 04:36.07 | chealer | Dull404: sorry, I don't know. |
| 04:36.11 | Piru | jasz, idle processes don't take any cpu time. why would it take any more cpu time now than before? |
| 04:36.12 | jetscreamer | Mr_Hawkins, proper values/answers when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 might help |
| 04:36.18 | jetscreamer | might not |
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| 04:37.04 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer: well i the monitor can do about1400x1024 in 75 hz |
| 04:37.07 | jasz | Piru, ... i'm just trying to get rid of whatever i don't need... |
| 04:37.07 | Dull404 | chealer: well thanks for your help |
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| 04:37.31 | jetscreamer | Mr_Hawkins, knowing the vert & horiz refresh is good |
| 04:37.46 | jetscreamer | then do the dpkg-reconfigure thing |
| 04:37.47 | Piru | jasz, well, install ms-dos 1.0 ;) |
| 04:38.05 | nullvoid | Mr_hawkins: what's your laptop make and model |
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| 04:38.18 | Dull404 | chealer: wtf.. its working!!! lol... i just canceled everytime it said "found 0 files out of 6900" .... |
| 04:38.21 | Piru | jasz, actually why are you running X then anyway? |
| 04:38.25 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer:its an amitech freenote 1420 i think |
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| 04:38.27 | jasz | Piru, ... hmm... |
| 04:38.45 | Dull404 | chealer: it first writes a temporary dvd file of 4gig, then add some files... |
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| 04:38.52 | jasz | Piru, .. I like X... but that doesnt mean I need extra stuff running on the background... |
| 04:38.58 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer i am sure about the freenote thing not about the model number thou |
| 04:39.00 | dns21 | jetscreamer: doub: the only thing that i find weird is that most of the time my network gets automatically configured, i even tried to throw a version of slack that i have on my system because i know it configured that correctly and it didn't work |
| 04:39.05 | Davidcc6 | is possible run corel draw whit crossover 4 or another program? |
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| 04:39.20 | Piru | jasz, get a grip, running X adds tons of stuff. if you're unhappy, use console only |
| 04:39.27 | jetscreamer | dns21, sounds like pppoe to me |
| 04:39.46 | dns21 | jetscreamer: doub: and even if it doesn't get automatically configured, i have never had to deal with this trouble before |
| 04:39.53 | dns21 | jetscreamer: dialup? |
| 04:39.59 | doub | dns21: does your eth0 line in interfaces read something like this "iface eth0 inet static" ? |
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| 04:40.03 | jetscreamer | dns21, no, ppp over ethernet |
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| 04:40.22 | doub | jetscreamer: he said he has cable modem |
| 04:40.25 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer: dun know how to change the values in the config that prolly it =/ |
| 04:40.36 | dns21 | doub: yes it does |
| 04:40.53 | Fidget007 | what's the current release of debian? |
| 04:40.59 | Fidget007 | woody, potato? |
| 04:41.06 | doub | Fidget007: stable is woody, testing is sarge |
| 04:41.11 | dns21 | jetscreamer: how often does that case surface |
| 04:41.20 | jetscreamer | Mr_Hawkins, going to the manuf. site and finding the specs, then running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 might help. |
| 04:41.22 | Davidcc6 | Fidget007, unstable, sid |
| 04:41.26 | doub | dns21: is there a "dhclient" process running ? |
| 04:41.54 | Dull404 | when is sarge to be officially released? "stable" ? |
| 04:42.01 | Davidcc6 | Dull404, no |
| 04:42.05 | jetscreamer | dns21, pppoe is what many many dsl providers use to control their clients :) |
| 04:42.05 | doub | !wwsr |
| 04:42.05 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 04:42.10 | dns21 | doub: yes... i take it that shouldn't be running? |
| 04:42.16 | Dull404 | Davidcc6 no? |
| 04:42.25 | Davidcc6 | Dull404, the official stable relase is woody |
| 04:42.29 | doub | dns21: it should not. as long as it lives it retrieves dhcp settings |
| 04:42.34 | dns21 | jetscreamer: i live in a hippy town, their not much for control |
| 04:42.47 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer: yea but i started out yesterday so i have a lot to catch upp to |
| 04:42.51 | dns21 | doub: death to 1994 |
| 04:43.05 | jetscreamer | dns21, it's the most popular method of providing dsl service |
| 04:43.09 | jetscreamer | i believe |
| 04:43.09 | Davidcc6 | Dull404, but sarge is too stable in this moment, much more then another distros "stables" |
| 04:43.11 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer: need how to acces the config to change somthing in id :D |
| 04:43.13 | jetscreamer | at least one of the most |
| 04:43.15 | Dull404 | Davidcc6: i know.. but will sarge ever be released "stable" or is next step "sid" |
| 04:43.17 | dns21 | jetscreamer: i have cable |
| 04:43.29 | dns21 | doub: now what? ifdown and up? |
| 04:43.31 | jetscreamer | Mr_Hawkins, you type what i said, dpkg-reconfigure -------- |
| 04:43.41 | Davidcc6 | Fidget007, if you gonna install use sarge is really more easy |
| 04:43.45 | doub | dns21: yes |
| 04:43.47 | Dull404 | Davidcc6 ok |
| 04:43.54 | dns21 | Dull404: Sarge defines not stable |
| 04:43.58 | Davidcc6 | Dull404, the next stable is sarge |
| 04:44.08 | jetscreamer | Dull404, sarge is in testing and will go into stable and the stuff in testing will be called etch... sid will always be unstable |
| 04:44.21 | dns21 | Davidcc6: what??? |
| 04:44.23 | cycom | woddy had problems detecting my larger hd, sarge worked fine with it |
| 04:44.29 | michal_ | is there some sort of standard for setting up semi-permanent network tunnels? |
| 04:44.50 | jetscreamer | dns21, i don't see any reason a cable provider couldn't use pppoe, but i don't know. |
| 04:44.51 | Davidcc6 | dns21, sarge will be the next version of stable |
| 04:45.21 | doub | michal_: i've heard of openvpn or ipsec (which seems a PITA to configure in debian) |
| 04:45.22 | michal_ | and it might even come out this year.. maybe |
| 04:45.27 | dns21 | Davidcc6: so the names come in waves? every unstable version eventually becomes stable? |
| 04:45.39 | Dull404 | jetscreamer: ah, ok.. so there are always three releases? woody is always the name of the release? .. like woody 3.1 ? sarge testing and sid.....well idunno |
| 04:45.41 | michal_ | i don't really need it to be secure.. |
| 04:45.41 | jetscreamer | no. sid will always be unstable. |
| 04:45.49 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer: only get command not found |
| 04:45.57 | michal_ | i just need it to be able to create a tunnel through which i can route packets as i wish |
| 04:45.58 | jetscreamer | no, woody name gets retired. only sid remains the same. |
| 04:46.22 | dns21 | jetscreamer: i have had it automatically configure before, and i have manually configured it before with no problem |
| 04:46.22 | doub | michal_: then there's GRE |
| 04:46.25 | jetscreamer | Mr_Hawkins, as root, it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:46.29 | cycom | hehe. when I saw 'sid' I thought 'scud was his dog' |
| 04:46.38 | doub | dns21: how does it come now ? |
| 04:46.40 | dns21 | jetscreamer: what is sid? |
| 04:46.42 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer: aaa ok |
| 04:46.44 | jetscreamer | dns21, sounds exactly like pppoe |
| 04:46.48 | doub | !sid |
| 04:46.48 | dpkg | hmm... sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 04:46.49 | Dull404 | jetscreamer, im confused... ok so what is "the next stable name" ? |
| 04:46.51 | Davidcc6 | dns21, the unstable version |
| 04:46.51 | jetscreamer | but i dunno. |
| 04:46.52 | cycom | then I ask dpkg about sid and sure enough, that's where the name came from: sid from toystory |
| 04:46.55 | cycom | haha |
| 04:47.00 | jetscreamer | Dull404, sarge. |
| 04:47.25 | jetscreamer | sarge is in the testing house. sarge will move into the stable house. woody will retire. sid never changes. |
| 04:47.32 | BrutusLinux | what do I type in the konsole to see what kernel the machine is running? |
| 04:47.38 | jetscreamer | uname -r |
| 04:47.43 | Davidcc6 | jethro, yes |
| 04:47.51 | jetscreamer | tabtabtab |
| 04:47.52 | Dull404 | jetscreamer: ok i got it now ;) im getting sarge RC2 |
| 04:47.52 | cycom | so what's the deal with volitile? Does apt-get update automatically uptate voilitle stuff, or do I have to reconfigure it to do so?// |
| 04:48.04 | Davidcc6 | jetscreamer, clap clap clap |
| 04:48.08 | cycom | where the hell did the // come from? I only typed one ? |
| 04:48.10 | doub | !volatile |
| 04:48.10 | dpkg | it has been said that volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 04:48.11 | jetscreamer | Dull404, i'd try a daily instead of the rc2 but up2u |
| 04:48.14 | michal_ | sid never changes.. and is contantly changing.. ponder that for a moment |
| 04:48.44 | cycom | michal_: the only constant in sid is that everything else changes. |
| 04:48.52 | Davidcc6 | is possible install corel draw with a emulate program like wine or crossover? |
| 04:48.52 | Dull404 | jetscreamer, they said rc2 install should be the "most stable" and i can always update once i get it running...... |
| 04:49.17 | dns21 | doub: not having very much fun with this anymore |
| 04:49.20 | cycom | pondered and forgotten. |
| 04:49.20 | Dull404 | jetscreamer, btw... how can i enter hardware setup? without doing base-config again? |
| 04:49.23 | jetscreamer | Dull404, that's rc2/daily of the installer... the packages will mostly be downloaded and installed |
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| 04:49.56 | dns21 | doub: i killed the process then looked for more and found none, there is still resistence, my router is trying to shelter my like a jehovahs witness |
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| 04:50.00 | Davidcc6 | jetscreamer, if i meke apt-get upgrade and sarge become in stable i will be pass to another house?... i will be sid .? |
| 04:50.05 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer:if i am running grapical interface how do i get in to root acount then ?? says i am not allowed to log in whit the login screen |
| 04:50.23 | jetscreamer | Dull404, sarge installer installs discover & hotplug, which autodetect hw and loads modules for the hw. (works for the most part) |
| 04:50.33 | doub | dns21: consider using a hammer then |
| 04:50.34 | nevyn | jetscreamer: ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 04:50.46 | Fidget007 | waaay too complicated to get a binary of debootstrap and pkgblah |
| 04:50.58 | Fidget007 | wtf, I'm screwed because I don't have ar |
| 04:51.00 | jetscreamer | Mr_Hawkins, kde i see. ctrl+alt+F1 (or 2 or 3 or 4or 5 or 6) altF7 to return. |
| 04:51.08 | Dull404 | jetscreamer: didnt work with my nvidia gfx card... i can only have 600x800 res. |
| 04:51.10 | dns21 | ohhh,,, i thought i didn't need a verb |
| 04:51.23 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer:thnx mate =) |
| 04:51.24 | jetscreamer | Dull404, that's different |
| 04:51.32 | michal_ | what does GRE actually stand for? |
| 04:51.45 | jetscreamer | gekko runtime env iirc |
| 04:51.51 | jjazz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.01 | doub | dns21: it doesn't really help your packets going back and forth, but as it reads, "with a hammer in your hand, every problem looks like a nail" |
| 04:52.04 | Phated | Gava Runtime Envoronment? |
| 04:52.04 | michal_ | we're talking about network tunnels here :) |
| 04:52.13 | jetscreamer | gekko |
| 04:52.30 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer: now i am getting somwhere =) |
| 04:52.36 | nvz | I have yet to find an X panel that has "it".. heh the ability to make a highly intuitive interface with large icons for a kid. gnome panels got the ease of making drawers full of large icons, but its just so damn buggy :/ |
| 04:52.39 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer:thanks mate =) |
| 04:52.39 | Dull404 | jetscreamer, how? hm... i need a faq or something. i hate asking...... |
| 04:53.05 | jetscreamer | Mr_Hawkins, you'll need to run /etc/init.d/kdm restart (or xdm or gdm whichever) |
| 04:53.10 | jetscreamer | after you finish that up |
| 04:53.14 | michal_ | nowhere seems to actually say what the acronym stands for |
| 04:53.32 | jetscreamer | gekko runtime env |
| 04:53.35 | dns21 | Dull404: asking does suck, it's always the last resort, it not only sucks because you get stumped, but often, others get stumped as well |
| 04:53.41 | jetscreamer | i told you |
| 04:53.49 | jetscreamer | !tell Dull404 about nvidia |
| 04:53.53 | michal_ | you're serious? |
| 04:53.56 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 04:54.08 | jetscreamer | mozilla right? |
| 04:54.09 | dns21 | doub: very good saying.... |
| 04:54.11 | michal_ | sounds like something out of Fallout |
| 04:54.25 | michal_ | nothing to do with mozilla |
| 04:54.26 | BrutusLinux | how do i install a diff file (prism54 driver) |
| 04:54.41 | jetscreamer | ok moz uses it.. but it's stil gekko re |
| 04:54.46 | michal_ | you're thinking of the mozilla rendering engine? |
| 04:54.50 | doub | dns21: and some people are foolish enough to think computers turn us into psycopaths |
| 04:54.51 | jetscreamer | google it |
| 04:55.12 | doub | dns21: that's absolutely baseless |
| 04:55.17 | cef | gre = General Routing Encapsulation |
| 04:55.32 | michal_ | ahh.. that sounds more like it |
| 04:55.34 | michal_ | thanks |
| 04:55.37 | cef | sorry, generic even |
| 04:55.53 | dns21 | doub: foolish... yes... i like that... they are foolish to think such silly thoughts |
| 04:55.59 | michal_ | http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.tunnel.gre.html describes how to use it without saying wwhat it stands for :P |
| 04:56.09 | cef | no encryption, but it does do tunnels |
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| 04:56.12 | jetscreamer | this is what i meant, all i know: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/embedding/GRE.html |
| 04:56.51 | Dull404 | dns21: i know.. but tried 5 distros now in two weeks, and im a linux noob...... im on the edge of getting back to M$ Windoze... but if debian works, i will stick to it *promis* hehe |
| 04:56.52 | michal_ | perfect.. i want to create a tunnel over a vpn |
| 04:56.56 | dns21 | doub: i had debian installed on here 4 days ago too |
| 04:57.06 | Dull404 | +e |
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| 04:57.09 | doub | dns21: what's debian ? |
| 04:57.16 | michal_ | because the vpn provider is an IDIOT and the only way i'll ever get things to work will be to do my own routing |
| 04:57.24 | dns21 | Dull404: have you tried slackware yet? |
| 04:57.26 | jetscreamer | it's a star isn't it, i remember capt kirk saying something about debian |
| 04:57.37 | cef | michal_: I've got it set up on a deb box in /etc/network/interfaces to route a whole /24 with an ISP as the other end of the tunnel |
| 04:57.49 | Dull404 | dns21: tried gentoo... and gave upp after kompiling the kernel... no slack |
| 04:57.52 | dns21 | doub: i am beginning to install that question into my memory so deeply i believe it |
| 04:57.59 | michal_ | cef: where did you read up on the info to set it up? |
| 04:58.02 | cef | michal_: what's the issue? |
| 04:58.11 | Dull404 | dns21: but i dont want rpm's |
| 04:58.17 | michal_ | cef: with the vpn provider? |
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| 04:58.22 | dns21 | Dull404: i got done with Gentoo about 2 weeks ago, slack doesn't have rpms |
| 04:58.28 | cef | michal_: hacked it myself after a bit of a look thru lartc |
| 04:59.03 | Dull404 | dns21: it would take me 2 weeks to install gentoo.. + no printer and the manual is 50+ pages |
| 04:59.05 | dns21 | Dull404: if you haven't tried slackware yet, you really should, probably the wrong thing to say in this channel, but i really love it, i can't exlpain why, you would have to run it |
| 04:59.07 | cef | michal_: yeah.. what's up with them? let me guess: you can get to the central network, but not out other tunnels to the central network? |
| 04:59.21 | michal_ | cef: well basically they control the routing and it doesn't do what we want.. just SOME of what we want.. and they actually resell a service that somebody else resells that somebody else resells so they can't provide any useful tech support and want to charge just to answer any questions |
| 04:59.35 | dns21 | Dull404: slack install is easy, where you take it is your choice |
| 04:59.44 | Caveman | hey all, I have a strange issue. |
| 04:59.55 | cef | michal_: sounds typical |
| 04:59.56 | Caveman | I have a server which is connected via 2nics to eth0 (internet) and eth1 (lan). The lan part is 10.1.1.x |
| 05:00.04 | dns21 | nvz: xfce4 is awesome, i love it |
| 05:00.07 | Dull404 | dns21: what kind of package handler does it have? apt-get , emerge ? |
| 05:00.13 | Caveman | The vpn server gives out 192.168.0.2-9 IPs and the ppp0 on the server is 192.168.0.1. On another system I have put in a virtual interface eth0:1 with the ip 192.168.10. |
| 05:00.25 | Caveman | On the server I put in the route of host 192.168.0.10 to 10.1.1.2. The vpn client can ping both server and the 192.168.0.10 system.. However the 192.168.0.10 system cant ping the vpn client.. |
| 05:00.46 | chealer | !slackware |
| 05:00.46 | dpkg | [slackware] a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware |
| 05:00.57 | Caveman | I cant see in tcpdump that its sending pings from 192.168.0.10 to 192.168.0000000.2-9 with the hostname of 10.1.1.2 |
| 05:01.00 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer:got it working =) |
| 05:01.01 | michal_ | cef: there are branches with clients and our office with the server. we want to selevtively allow access for certain users to certain ports on the internet.. we can't do that now because we don't control the routers.. |
| 05:01.03 | dns21 | Dull404: neither, there is a varient of apt-get called slapt-get but i wouldn't recommend it, there is also swaret which i wouldn't recommend eithre |
| 05:01.09 | Caveman | so I am sure its a routing issue. |
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| 05:01.18 | Caveman | however I dooooooooont know how to fix it |
| 05:01.21 | Caveman | any ideas ? |
| 05:01.26 | cef | michal_: ahh fun fun |
| 05:01.29 | Caveman | sorry for the ooo I am on vnc here |
| 05:01.35 | Caveman | and its lagging |
| 05:02.00 | dns21 | Dull404: it may seem rather daunting not to have something like apt-get or emerge, but it really is a fun and amazing distro |
| 05:02.00 | cef | michal_: well, you could just set up a socks proxy with authorisation, but that channels everything through the head office |
| 05:02.01 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 05:02.06 | michal_ | michal: however we have a linux machine in each branch.. that we control.. if we made THAT the router and tunnelled to a machine in our office that we controlled we could do all the routing ourselves.. at least that the theory |
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| 05:02.23 | Dull404 | dns21, so whats it called then? i need stuff like automake/autconf, QT3, gxx.. k3b, gaim, mplayer.... |
| 05:02.29 | cef | michal_: talking to yourself? |
| 05:02.39 | nvz | dns21: well I am trying to set something up that a child can look at and know how to operate. I just need 20+ Linux game icons, bookmarkes free flash games..etc all neatly organized with big icons |
| 05:02.44 | Dull404 | dns21: lol so how do u install stuff then? |
| 05:02.45 | michal_ | cef: umm.. yes.. first sign of madness |
| 05:03.03 | cef | michal_: only thing I can see that could be an issue would be encryption.. |
| 05:03.24 | dns21 | Dull404: well, you will get all that stuff from the install, with the exception from mplayer, which even many debian users install from source because of the many diff configurations |
| 05:03.32 | Caveman | no ideas ? |
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| 05:03.41 | bdhofmei | hello |
| 05:03.43 | michal_ | cef: basically the primary goal at the moment is to allow a big boss to access his email from all the branches.. but they have no direct internet access.. just a squid proxy in our office which they all use.. |
| 05:03.45 | dns21 | nvz: any distro with kde on it should suffice |
| 05:03.58 | bdhofmei | quick question: everything in rc0.d is started at boot time right? |
| 05:04.29 | Dull404 | dns21, hm.. ok, how many cd's /dvd ? |
| 05:04.41 | michal_ | cef: it's not really important.. we're willing to let the responsibility for security of the vpn to be up to the vpn provider.. |
| 05:04.41 | cef | michal_: use a socks proxy perhaps? look at dante-server & dante-client, and if he uses windows at the store level, look at "freecap". |
| 05:05.08 | dns21 | Dull404: slack is 2, they actually released a new version very recently, get 10.1 |
| 05:05.16 | nvz | dns21: well I've tried kde and gnome already. I like the kde menu editor, allows me to setup the icons and links quickly from one window with much less effort than gnome panel and menus. though I could not figure out how to make the icons any larger on the panel or menu. |
| 05:05.31 | michal_ | cef: extra software (or even reconfiguration of the big bosses pc) is a no no. it has to "just work" otherwise he will huff and he will puff.. it's political :/ |
| 05:05.41 | cef | doh! |
| 05:06.00 | Phated | Man, just... sneak in after hours. :) |
| 05:06.03 | dns21 | nvz: there is an option, you will just have to search arround for it, i don't run kde so i couldn't say |
| 05:06.07 | cef | heya Phated |
| 05:06.16 | Phated | Hey, cef. Been busy? :) |
| 05:06.35 | michal_ | he's interstate.. and it's a laptop.. he takes it to different states and different countries.. and it has to magically work everywhere |
| 05:06.39 | dns21 | nvz: how long have you been running linux? |
| 05:07.01 | nvz | dns21: at least 7 years |
| 05:07.04 | michal_ | to that end my boss has reconfigured the friggin lans in a few companies to use the same subnet just to shut him up |
| 05:07.24 | Phated | michal_: Well... Soemday, you're going to leave the company for greener pastures, and when you do, tell him he doesn't want a laptop, he wants a pixie. |
| 05:07.38 | cef | Phated: sort of.. getting tired of computers/IT |
| 05:07.46 | dns21 | nvz: how many distro's have you ran? |
| 05:07.55 | michal_ | phated: he needs a friggin anal probe.. but i won't be the one to give it to him |
| 05:08.01 | Phated | cef: Oh, say it ain't so, brother. What's wrong with them? |
| 05:08.09 | Phated | michal_: You can give him a good boot up the arse. |
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| 05:08.29 | cef | Phated: sick of dealing with all the crap, and having to live with all the politics that are outside my control |
| 05:08.45 | Phated | cef: Good lord. Politics at work, eh. |
| 05:08.46 | cef | Phated: won't stop me playing with them, but not sure about doing it as a job anymore |
| 05:08.48 | michal_ | he's one of our biggest clients.. when he swears at us we have to smile and say thank you :/ |
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| 05:09.01 | Phated | cef: Ah, I see what you mean. |
| 05:09.01 | nvz | dns21: I think I bought a 2cd version of RedHat 5.2 was the first time I tried linux, and I didnt really get that going.. I tried 2 or 3 others before eventually moving to Debian from Mandrake |
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| 05:09.12 | michal_ | worst thing about computers is the users |
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| 05:09.18 | michal_ | and the developers |
| 05:09.23 | cef | Phated: actually no, I was talking about politics in distributions |
| 05:09.30 | Phated | cef: Oh dear. |
| 05:09.30 | michal_ | the rest is all good :) |
| 05:09.38 | EvanCarroll | michal_: debian has developers too. |
| 05:09.42 | Phated | michal_: So that leaves... what? |
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| 05:09.59 | Phated | cef: You'll be less involved in Debian then, I presume? |
| 05:10.02 | cef | Phated: sarge's non-release isn't helping here of course |
| 05:10.22 | michal_ | it leaves a long way to go before things are where they should be |
| 05:10.28 | jetscreamer | well at least they don't release it broken. |
| 05:10.33 | cef | Phated: well, possibly more involved cos I won't be working with non-debian computers |
| 05:10.33 | Phated | cef: Of course not... But you'd wish they'd just... be patient! |
| 05:10.43 | Phated | cef: Well, that's nice. |
| 05:10.43 | Fidget007 | Debian really does a piss poor job of listing requirements for debootstrap |
| 05:10.59 | Fidget007 | Really needs a list of stuff like ar, tar, listed as requirements |
| 05:11.16 | cef | Phated: what's most annoying is the security problem |
| 05:11.26 | michal_ | i fear we'll need decent AI before software starts to improve.. so we're still a long way off |
| 05:11.36 | Mr_Hawkins | so far debian is prolly the most user friendly system i ever used =) |
| 05:11.43 | Phated | cef: You mean security updates and such for sarge? |
| 05:11.44 | michal_ | that is an overstatement but it's my general belief |
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| 05:11.59 | Resonant | michal_: you are probably right |
| 05:12.02 | cef | Phated: if there was security for sarge now, I'd not be in a pickle |
| 05:12.32 | cef | Phated: and ubuntu isn't any help cos a number of packages are in their 'universe' which is unsupported, so they're no help |
| 05:12.47 | Phated | cef: Ahh, ubuntu... I'm still having mixed opinions about that. |
| 05:12.53 | Fidget007 | what's the debian default boot-loader? |
| 05:13.06 | mwilson | Huh, all of X *still* hasn't made it through the buildd's |
| 05:13.12 | michal_ | i think AI will play a major part eventually.. there's only so much a computer user can reasonably learn. the rest will have to be done for them |
| 05:13.15 | cef | Phated: it's ok.. but needs work in a lot of places |
| 05:13.26 | Phated | cef: I see. Well, it's new and all that, eh. |
| 05:13.33 | mwilson | Fidget007: lilo |
| 05:13.52 | Phated | Grub in sarge, isn't it? |
| 05:13.54 | michal_ | have there been any advances in AI in recent history? or are we basically stuck? |
| 05:14.05 | mwilson | Phated: Your choice in Sarge. |
| 05:14.20 | Phated | mwilson: Only in expert mode, last I heard, but fair enough. |
| 05:14.21 | SlicerDicer | does anybody know why a sk98lin driver keeps failing to work I cannot get network at all.... |
| 05:14.34 | Phated | Let's work on -real- intelligence first, michal_. |
| 05:14.38 | mwilson | Phated: Or have they broken it so far now that you can't avoid grub? |
| 05:14.41 | michal_ | is there any way to do a case sensitive apt-cache search ? |
| 05:14.53 | Phated | mwilson: I still have lilo, so not that bad. |
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| 05:15.20 | cef | Phated: what gets me is that they say you can use it's minimal install custom mode for servers. and they have cyrus (mail stuff) in their supported stuff.. YET! they have clamav, amavisd-new & spamassassin in universe (which is unsupported). hard to make a decent mail server without virus or spam scanning |
| 05:15.40 | Phated | cef: I see. |
| 05:15.49 | jjazz | michal: um... pipe output through grep? |
| 05:15.54 | mwilson | cef: Uh, why would you use Ubuntu for *anything* important? |
| 05:15.56 | cef | Phated: which makes my job as a sys admin a pain in the rear *sigh* |
| 05:16.07 | Phated | cef: Poor thing. Have some mashed potatoes. |
| 05:16.08 | cef | mwilson: security updates is the only reason |
| 05:16.13 | michal_ | phated: in that case i would argue that the developers possess less intelligence than the users.. otherwise software would be easier to use :P |
| 05:16.24 | cef | mwilson: and with the above problems, they can't even help in that regard |
| 05:16.41 | Phated | michal_: I argue that the users don't possess enough intelligence to use the software. Different sides of the same story, there. |
| 05:16.48 | michal_ | jjazz: pipe what? package names and short descriptions may work but what about long descriptions? |
| 05:16.59 | mwilson | I can't imagine Ubuntu ever being suitable for a server. |
| 05:17.04 | jjazz | michal_: fair enough |
| 05:17.04 | cef | mwilson: in fact, the only thing I can think you'd use the server/custom stuff for would be a web server |
| 05:17.05 | SlicerDicer | nobody know anything about sk98lin "yukon chipset" cause now I have spent a total of ohh 7 hours trying to get this work.... |
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| 05:17.29 | michal_ | phated: you'd lose your argument. find me a single piece of software that a room full of INTELLIGENT people all use intuitively |
| 05:17.37 | Phated | I dunno, IRC? |
| 05:17.41 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer: you able to recomend a linux irc client ? |
| 05:17.52 | SlicerDicer | x-chat works well :) |
| 05:17.59 | mwilson | Ubuntu force-feeds you crap like udev no matter what you do. |
| 05:18.04 | michal_ | phated: irc? you've got to be kidding.. |
| 05:18.05 | Phated | michal_: Intuition is not intelligence. Something being easy to use doesn't mean it's smarter. |
| 05:18.21 | jetscreamer | xchat or irssi-text |
| 05:18.23 | EvanCarroll | Mr_Hawkins: irssi |
| 05:18.34 | jetscreamer | mwilson, sarge gnome force feeds you udev |
| 05:18.36 | Phated | Gotta say irssi-text. |
| 05:18.40 | jetscreamer | via d-i |
| 05:18.53 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer:thnx mate =) |
| 05:19.03 | michal_ | phated: computers are meant to be used. therefore it would make sense that they shouldn't be hard to use.. especially given that they're targeted at non-technical people as most computers are. |
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| 05:19.05 | SlicerDicer | well can anybody help me with trying to figure out why I cannot get the ethernet card working on my computer..... please I really need to get this up and running in the time I have spent trying to figure this out I could have totally rebuilt gentoo this is pathetic |
| 05:19.05 | Phated | No one said you had to install gnome at d-i. |
| 05:19.20 | cef | mwilson: I can handle udev.. but it don't fix the problem I'm having, so it's not an issue |
| 05:19.31 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Exactly. Sarge *Gnome* does. Ubuntu force-feeds you all sorts of useless technologies whether you ask for them or not. |
| 05:19.40 | EvanCarroll | SlicerDicer: if you run ifconfig eth0 does anythign show up? |
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| 05:19.50 | Phated | michal_: <shrug> In that cae I say let's take away user-friendly. I have no objections returning to a state of literati vs peasants. |
| 05:19.54 | SlicerDicer | EvanCarroll: I havent even got past the damn install disk man |
| 05:20.02 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, you need to lspci -vv, find your nic's chipset, then go to http://scyld.com/network.html and find out which module you need to load, then modprobe <module> |
| 05:20.05 | SlicerDicer | EvanCarroll: everytime I do I get massive errors |
| 05:20.10 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer: ok its down but how do i get it to work =P =D |
| 05:20.15 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: did you listen to what I said? |
| 05:20.26 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, ok which installer, woody or sarge |
| 05:20.29 | SlicerDicer | sarge |
| 05:20.33 | michal_ | phated: i do. that sort of system way work in a theocratic society but i'm not a very religious person |
| 05:20.50 | jetscreamer | Mr_Hawkins, i don't know irssi so i can't tell you, probably type irssi or irssi-text |
| 05:20.53 | Phated | michal_: I'm not religious either, thank you. |
| 05:21.03 | SlicerDicer | and by the way if you would read what I have been saying the past 5 mins I know what driver I need I know what to do but the damn thing will not work |
| 05:21.13 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer: yea but i mean to install it =) |
| 05:21.16 | SlicerDicer | so there is obviously something that I need to do that I am not seeing so thats where I need help |
| 05:21.17 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, do you know what your nic is, what model, or even better chipset? |
| 05:21.25 | SlicerDicer | YES!!! look above |
| 05:21.27 | EvanCarroll | SlicerDicer: jetscreamer just told you what i would have then: lspci | grep -i ethernet |
| 05:21.28 | SlicerDicer | jesus |
| 05:21.45 | jetscreamer | Mr_Hawkins, apt-get install irssi-text xchat (mix and match or whatever) |
| 05:22.00 | Phated | So he says: I know what chipset, I know what module, I know what to do. Meaning he doesn't need help. |
| 05:22.04 | SlicerDicer | God damn guys do you not read? do you give constant cut and paste responses? how the hell am I suposto lspci without a terminal on the disk? |
| 05:22.14 | Fidget007 | root@livecd:/# base-config |
| 05:22.14 | Fidget007 | Terminated |
| 05:22.20 | Fidget007 | Is that normal behavior? |
| 05:22.34 | valdyn_ | SlicerDicer: alt-f2 |
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| 05:22.46 | EvanCarroll | SlicerDicer: ... You don't tell us what fucking errors your getting when you modprobe, and we are supposed to pull a solution out of our ass? |
| 05:22.49 | EvanCarroll | SlicerDicer: come on now. |
| 05:23.05 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, exactly which chipset |
| 05:23.15 | SlicerDicer | Phated: I am getting quite frustrated at cut and paste responses to what I say without them reading fully I have said several times I use a ~~~~~~sk98lin~~~~~~ YUKON!!!! chipset |
| 05:23.21 | jetscreamer | Fidget007, don't think so, unless you hit ctrl c or something maybe |
| 05:23.44 | SlicerDicer | EvanCarroll: how the fuck am I suposto run a modprobe? I dont have a terminal |
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| 05:23.57 | Phated | SlicerDicer: Again, if you're so incredibly smart, go figure it out. Again, if you don't give us proper errors, we can't help you. And for the fucking second time, HIT ALT-F2. |
| 05:24.08 | SlicerDicer | I hit alt f2 |
| 05:24.09 | SlicerDicer | and nothing |
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| 05:24.26 | Phated | Are you, like... Even -in- the installer yet? |
| 05:24.33 | SlicerDicer | yes |
| 05:24.42 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, did you try http://www.syskonnect.com/syskonnect/support/driver/readme/linux/sk98lin.htm |
| 05:24.43 | SlicerDicer | I have a error on my screen |
| 05:24.48 | Phated | No, wait, hang on. I know -nothing- about what you're doing, -as you said-, thus I am -quite- useless to help. Have a nice day, sir. |
| 05:24.51 | cef | ms keyboard? |
| 05:24.51 | SlicerDicer | network autoconfiguration failed |
| 05:24.54 | SlicerDicer | thats what I am looking at |
| 05:24.56 | rares000 | is there a way to make esd buffer before it sends stuff to the device |
| 05:25.20 | dns21 | SlicerDicer: you aren't running net-install sarge are you? |
| 05:25.23 | SlicerDicer | no Phated I have spent 7 hours being told the same bullshit you get tired of not having a decent answer that helps thats all |
| 05:25.27 | SlicerDicer | dns21: yes I am |
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| 05:25.40 | cef | SlicerDicer: do you have one of the MS keyboards that has an F Lock button? |
| 05:25.40 | scarynetworkguy | SlicerDicer: You should demand your money back. |
| 05:26.00 | SlicerDicer | well at least I got your attention :) |
| 05:26.06 | lu_ | greeings!, more noob nvidia questions.. after using 3rd party nvidia installer. and /etc/init.d/gdm restart , my glxgears is rockn. On restart no graphics accelleration. I do #lsmod | more and nvidia is installed. by the way this is a custom kernel 2.6 debian unstable. thanks in advance |
| 05:26.35 | michal_ | which package is the ip command in? |
| 05:26.43 | EvanCarroll | michal_: ifconfig |
| 05:26.48 | drac | michal_: iproute |
| 05:26.51 | SlicerDicer | cef yes I was being a idiot I did a modprobe on sk98lin and it gave no errors |
| 05:26.52 | michal_ | hmm.. then why isn't it on my system :/ |
| 05:27.08 | EvanCarroll | err no neterr no |
| 05:27.09 | michal_ | god dammit |
| 05:27.14 | EvanCarroll | its netbase |
| 05:27.14 | EvanCarroll | sorry |
| 05:27.20 | michal_ | i don't have iproute installed.. i was sure i did :P |
| 05:27.32 | Phated | SlicerDicer: <shrugs> After yelling and being at least partially rude, I'm not sure I would attempt to help. It -is- possible to get a console in the installer, but... Something on your system is screwed. Again, have a nice day. |
| 05:27.48 | SlicerDicer | Phated: then stop talking to me |
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| 05:28.12 | SlicerDicer | I have been rude cause I have been ignored all damn day would you be kinda pissed? |
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| 05:28.21 | SlicerDicer | I was nice at first but after 7 hours of it |
| 05:28.24 | SlicerDicer | no that gets to you |
| 05:28.29 | mwilson | SlicerDicer: You have some sort of right to attention? |
| 05:28.41 | hhstnoc[ipac] | mwilson: well yeah, he PAID for debian! |
| 05:28.45 | SlicerDicer | Well you know if I can help somebody I do I dont ignore people |
| 05:28.46 | cef | SlicerDicer: so you managed to Alt-F2 and get a console? |
| 05:28.53 | SlicerDicer | people ask me what the problem is then never respond again |
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| 05:28.59 | SlicerDicer | its very frustrating |
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| 05:29.10 | SlicerDicer | i dont expect help I just expect somebody to say I dont know not ignore me |
| 05:29.19 | Mr_Hawkin-Debian | seems to be working out after all =) |
| 05:29.32 | Mr_Hawkin-Debian | laggin a bit thou |
| 05:29.39 | Mr_Hawkin-Debian | no =) its fine now =) |
| 05:29.45 | jetscreamer | i thought you just said it works now |
| 05:29.47 | Phated | mwilson: Of course he does! He has a -problem-, doesn't he. |
| 05:29.52 | lu_ | SlicerDicer, this is a volunteer forum. Please be gracious, i spent 3 months on my own just tryng to get x working! I discovered this chat only 2 weeks ago and learned that patience will only prevail with linux |
| 05:30.03 | Mr_Hawkin-Debian | yea =) |
| 05:30.06 | Fidget007 | where do I specify the stuff for apt? what files do I edit? |
| 05:30.10 | Mr_Hawkin-Debian | laggy router of mine =) |
| 05:30.17 | Mr_Hawkins | se =) |
| 05:30.21 | jetscreamer | no i meant him |
| 05:30.45 | xam | Fidget007: /etc/apt/* ... eg. /etc/apt/sources.list specifies where to get the packages |
| 05:30.46 | cef | SlicerDicer: so you managed to Alt-F2 and get a console? |
| 05:30.47 | SlicerDicer | lu_ you know I am pretty patient normally but when somebody says whats your blah blah or whats this or do this when they dont read the question its very frustrating btw I log all chat and I can show you why I got so pissed if you read it you would see |
| 05:30.57 | SlicerDicer | cef: yes |
| 05:31.07 | mwilson | Phated: yeah, he thinks he's entitled. |
| 05:31.15 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, but can you expect everybody to see or remember everything everybody types |
| 05:31.17 | cef | SlicerDicer: was I right with the MS keyboard and the F lock thing? |
| 05:31.19 | Phated | mwilson: Well, of course he is! |
| 05:31.37 | michal_ | cef: how is connection recovery with GRE ? |
| 05:31.42 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: I dont expect a cut and paste answer to something that has nothing to do with what I am asking |
| 05:31.45 | michal_ | ie if either end or something on the route goes down |
| 05:31.52 | Mr_Hawkin-Debian | jetscreamer : now its time to start working my way around the system =) got a lot to learn =) thanks for the help mate =) |
| 05:31.59 | jetscreamer | so does it work now SlicerDicer ? |
| 05:32.03 | cef | michal_: there is no connection as such. it just encapsulates packets and sends them |
| 05:32.07 | streuner__ | jetscreamer: more whinning = more help? |
| 05:32.10 | EvanCarroll | SlicerDicer: have you even tried ctrl+z to halt the install process... |
| 05:32.12 | jetscreamer | np Mr_Hawkins |
| 05:32.41 | michal_ | cef: so does that mean it auto recovers? i don't really care how it does it as long as it always works when the underlying connection is working |
| 05:32.47 | Mr_Hawkin-Debian | jetscreamer, btw got any good online source for basic linux operation ? |
| 05:32.50 | cef | michal_: if the other end isn't there, it never gets the packet. as I said.. no encryption, no security |
| 05:32.55 | jetscreamer | tldp.org sometimes |
| 05:33.28 | cef | michal_: so it's pretty much connectionless. ie: instant recovery I guess |
| 05:33.38 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: no |
| 05:33.38 | Mr_Hawkins | ok =) |
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| 05:34.01 | michal_ | cef: i meam in the sense that a dialup connection will redial if dropped or if the machine is rebooted.. so that there is a never a need to manually intervene once it is configured |
| 05:34.14 | Phated | You know, it -is- possible to install Debian without a network connection, if you have the CD. |
| 05:34.22 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, so did you just boot the cd, or type something like expert26or linux26 |
| 05:34.24 | Phated | But no, it has to just work, I guess. |
| 05:34.24 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed it is. |
| 05:34.38 | Fidget007 | xam: /etc/apt is empty |
| 05:34.44 | michal_ | i wish it was EASY to make a custom debian cd.. |
| 05:34.51 | Fidget007 | xam: where can I read up on the config files for apt? |
| 05:35.02 | michal_ | debian install cd that is |
| 05:35.08 | xam | Fidget007: run apt-setup |
| 05:35.10 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: I was taking the advice of ubuntud00d and using expert26 to try to get it working |
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| 05:35.17 | Kvant | Fidget007, try man apt |
| 05:35.23 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: he told me to download the sarge cause I had a dated version so I did that |
| 05:35.38 | jetscreamer | sarge is good |
| 05:35.39 | Pumpkin_Pie | is there a way I can display the speed of my RAM? such as 3200 mhz, etc ? |
| 05:35.47 | xam | Fidget007: 'man sources.list' and man 'apt.conf' |
| 05:35.50 | jstevens | is there a app in the debian repository that will "modify the bootup" to display an image (w/ or w/o) a progress bar instead of the common scrolling text? |
| 05:35.51 | Fidget007 | xam: you're my hero |
| 05:35.55 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: I get to the point of where it sees that I need sk98lin and I hit ok then go to do auto configure of my dhcp and it freaks out |
| 05:35.56 | Fidget007 | xam: can't do man |
| 05:36.00 | Fidget007 | less isn't installed |
| 05:36.13 | Fidget007 | debootstrap didn't install less |
| 05:36.13 | gravity | You have more |
| 05:36.15 | gravity | Everyone has more |
| 05:36.21 | Fidget007 | gravity: I doubt it |
| 05:36.25 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, do you know if you use dhcp or pppoe ? for certain? |
| 05:36.29 | cef | michal_: well IP-GRE (and even IP-IP) looks for packets from the other end, and if they come in, it unencapsulates them. it don't give a hoot about packet sequences, so if the connection in between drops out, it won't affect the state |
| 05:36.30 | cat | Fidget007: man is installed with the installation, |
| 05:36.31 | Kvant | Fidget007, do export PAGER=more |
| 05:36.44 | holy_cow | how do i find out if devfs is deprected and udev is now standard on debian sarge? is there an official way this is announced if at all? |
| 05:36.48 | Fidget007 | thanks |
| 05:36.49 | Kvant | Fidget007, or if you don't have more, do export PAGER=cat |
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| 05:36.55 | xero | hello |
| 05:36.56 | streuner__ | holy_cow: why does the ban still exist (holycow)? |
| 05:37.02 | mindrape | hey xero |
| 05:37.06 | jetscreamer | holy_cow, devfs is deprecated and udev is standard on sarge |
| 05:37.07 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: I use dhcp same as I have for a long time |
| 05:37.14 | xero | i have a problem... im hoping some of u guys could possibly help me |
| 05:37.22 | holy_cow | streuner_, i have no idea *shrug* |
| 05:37.23 | xam | streuner_ because he always annoys the shit out of people |
| 05:37.29 | cef | does the installer use udev yet? |
| 05:37.31 | xero | im very new to both debian and linux... so i apoligize for my newbness in advance |
| 05:37.32 | holy_cow | jetscreamer, cool thankya! |
| 05:37.38 | holy_cow | streuner_, hola btw! |
| 05:37.39 | holy_cow | :) |
| 05:37.42 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, so your nic is functional, the module is loaded, but configuring your dhcp is the where it borks? |
| 05:37.48 | SlicerDicer | keep in mind jetscreamer I had everything configured properly and took no time on my gentoo system that was working at 2pm and I wiped it to put on debian and now ethernet does not work I know what my hardware is :) |
| 05:37.48 | cef | cos last I checked it used devfs, which is a pita |
| 05:37.51 | xero | im trying to get my dualscreens to work with my setup |
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| 05:37.56 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: yes it seems so |
| 05:38.02 | michal_ | there's a dearth of information on GRE tunnels in lartc :/ |
| 05:38.05 | xero | i ahve an ATI Radeon 9700pro |
| 05:38.08 | Fidget007 | xam: you're helping a gentoo user switch to debian ;) |
| 05:38.08 | streuner__ | holy_cow: and who banned 'holycow'? |
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| 05:38.22 | steve_ | har! |
| 05:38.31 | holy_cow | streuner_, *shrug* i never bothered to notice |
| 05:38.33 | holy_cow | ehe :) |
| 05:38.41 | xam | Fidget007: ahh, going the 'hard' route with debootstrap, eh? |
| 05:38.44 | xam | ;) |
| 05:38.45 | michal_ | bbs.. i need a short break |
| 05:38.45 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, beyond me. i only use static. i thought your nic's modules weren't getting loaded. g'luck. |
| 05:38.46 | holy_cow | if some op wants ta unban it, that would be cool |
| 05:38.55 | chealer | lu_: still no answer for your question? |
| 05:38.58 | Fidget007 | xam: you have *no* idea |
| 05:39.04 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: ok |
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| 05:39.06 | Fidget007 | xam: my livecd didn't have "ar" |
| 05:39.13 | lu_ | sorry |
| 05:39.17 | streuner__ | holy_cow: and why didn't you ask somebody then? |
| 05:39.19 | lu_ | i was trying to put out a fire |
| 05:39.25 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 05:39.25 | xero | can anybody help me? ive tried installing the fglrx drivers and then going through the fglrxconfig file... hwoever it just crashes my X11 whenver i restart |
| 05:39.28 | holy_cow | streuner_, i have no idea who the ops are |
| 05:39.36 | jetscreamer | dont |
| 05:39.42 | holy_cow | how do you find ops here anyway? |
| 05:39.42 | jetscreamer | i saw you thinking |
| 05:39.43 | Fidget007 | xam: so I had to copy a binary version of ar, it's shared library, and then did some unpacking of debs and such to get debootstrap to even work, took about an hour |
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| 05:39.47 | jetscreamer | no telling |
| 05:39.48 | TecnoVM64 | is there any apt-get package for a pop3/smtp server easier to run is debian? |
| 05:39.52 | Kvant | !ops |
| 05:39.52 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 05:39.56 | jetscreamer | dammmit |
| 05:39.59 | holy_cow | oh |
| 05:39.59 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 05:40.01 | holy_cow | heh |
| 05:40.02 | holy_cow | !ops |
| 05:40.03 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 05:40.05 | Phated | There isn't a problem, leave it alone. |
| 05:40.11 | xam | Fidget: tststs. Would have been faster to download the 110MB netinstall iso |
| 05:40.16 | holy_cow | !ops unban holycow |
| 05:40.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: unban holycow |
| 05:40.23 | Phated | Oh, lord. |
| 05:40.40 | Fidget007 | xam: then I'd have to burn a CD, I already had the gentoo livecd ;) |
| 05:40.40 | chealer | Kvant: nice |
| 05:40.44 | hhstnoc[ipac] | he's quick. |
| 05:40.45 | xero | does anbody know about the ati drivers? |
| 05:40.46 | lu_ | yes, i'm still having issues with modules and nvidia graphics acceleration. I have had no luck with the debian apt-get nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nviida-kernel-source nviida-settings |
| 05:40.53 | jetscreamer | that's for problems.... your nick isn't a problem, just an inconvienence |
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| 05:41.00 | TecnoVM64 | is there any apt-get package for a pop3/smtp server easier to run is debian? |
| 05:41.02 | Xemacs_ | cow question is the the same super cow as apt has ;) |
| 05:41.17 | chealer | xero: probably #ati |
| 05:41.24 | xero | #ati |
| 05:41.25 | jetscreamer | lu, nvidia-installer never borks for me, cept when 2.6 first came out |
| 05:41.41 | hhstnoc[ipac] | TecnoVM64: postfix and popa3d? |
| 05:41.42 | xero | thanks |
| 05:41.51 | chealer | lu_: where you told about the nvidia-howto factoid? |
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| 05:42.06 | TecnoVM64 | hhstnoc[ipac]: which is more easier? |
| 05:42.13 | hhstnoc[ipac] | postfix does smtp |
| 05:42.16 | hhstnoc[ipac] | popa3d does pop3 |
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| 05:42.42 | xam | Fidget007: I see. Anyway, you have to edit a couple of things after debootstrap. /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces), timezone, /etc/fstab, /etc/hostname, locale etc. |
| 05:42.45 | chealer | !tell TecnoVM64 about repeat |
| 05:42.56 | Fidget007 | locale? |
| 05:42.58 | TecnoVM64 | hhstnoc[ipac]: lol sorry is it easir? |
| 05:43.04 | xam | Fidget007: don't forget to install lilo (or grub) |
| 05:43.04 | Fidget007 | xam: how do I get access to Sarge? |
| 05:43.15 | Fidget007 | xam: yeah, I wasn't about to leave without my grub :) |
| 05:43.22 | hhstnoc[ipac] | how do you mean "easier?" Easier than what? |
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| 05:44.06 | TecnoVM64 | easier to configure and install? |
| 05:44.15 | novem | can anyone help, I'm getting that lovely *kernel panic, attempted to kill init* anyway i can get into a terminal to mkinitrc before boot process? |
| 05:44.22 | xam | Fidget007: well, once you have installed the base-system with deboostrap, you can chroot into it and configure the system. dpkg-reconfigure is useful. eg. dpkg-reconfigure locale-data |
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| 05:44.31 | hhstnoc[ipac] | postfix and popa3d together are pretty easy, debconf walks you through the configuration. |
| 05:44.45 | TecnoVM64 | ok thanks :) |
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| 05:44.56 | novem | can i use a safety/boot disc to get myself into a terminal to fix the initrc file? if so where could i download one |
| 05:45.30 | xam | Fidget007: the debian installer that comes with the netiso/full CD does all that stuff for you; with debootstrap it is more complicated |
| 05:45.53 | Fidget007 | xam: where's the instructions for the "more complicated" installation procedure? |
| 05:46.16 | lu_ | I think my problem may lie in the fact, i've done so many howto's that i have an overabundance of information misdirecting the kernel. (noob speak, it's a big mess and I don't know what to do) If I have done 30+ custom kernel compilations, installed debian packages for nvidia, and installed 3rd party NVIDIA driver. where do i begin by cleaning up? |
| 05:46.48 | cef | novem: yes, or you can just specify a shell instead of /sbin/init to start on boot (via grub or lilo) |
| 05:47.17 | Mr_Hawkin-Debian | this is a pretty amazing system =) |
| 05:47.18 | cef | novem: of course, that way, you have to remount your fs's read/write so you can save your changes. |
| 05:47.26 | novem | cef> how would i go about getting myself into a shell? |
| 05:47.28 | xam | Fidget007: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 05:47.29 | chealer | lu_: shrug. you're noob, and using sid?? |
| 05:47.47 | cef | novem: using the installer is probably a little easier |
| 05:47.48 | novem | I just need to mkinitrc and add it in grub? but i cant get into a terminal to do so |
| 05:48.06 | hhstnoc[ipac] | Mr_Hawkin-Debian: it really grows on you. |
| 05:48.15 | Fidget007 | xam: glad there's a True Debian User (TM) in here |
| 05:48.25 | novem | so sbin/init will get me into a shell? |
| 05:48.39 | Mr_Hawkin-Debian | hhstnoc[ipac], :yea so far its been good =) |
| 05:48.40 | cef | novem: no, that's the default init process |
| 05:48.45 | novem | ahh okay |
| 05:49.01 | cef | novem: you need to specify a shell (eg: /bin/bash) in it's place |
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| 05:49.07 | Mr_Hawkin-Debian | hhstnoc[ipac], : gotta learn some linux basics thou =) started to use it yesterday =D |
| 05:49.26 | cef | novem: are you using grub? hrmm.. bbk in 2 |
| 05:49.32 | novem | cef your talking to an abosulte noob lol. yeah im using grub |
| 05:49.36 | hhstnoc[ipac] | Mr_Hawkin-Debian: i jumped distros for a couple years, then stayed with debian when i started using it |
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| 05:49.43 | xam | Fidget007: search for "Configuring the Base System" and start from there |
| 05:49.46 | chealer | lu_: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt 's step 0 tell about cleaning nvidia-installer mess. |
| 05:49.51 | novem | im sure theres a way to use grub to get into a shell or atleast make a new init |
| 05:50.06 | cef | novem: ahh.. ok.. hold a sec.. just checking something |
| 05:50.07 | Fidget007 | xam: thank you very much! |
| 05:50.22 | Mr_Hawkin-Debian | brb phone |
| 05:50.29 | xam | Fidget007: no prob |
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| 05:50.45 | lu_ | thanks chealer |
| 05:51.42 | lu_ | Sid is very stable, :) and so far for my needs on a laptop it's been awesome no crash, no broken packages |
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| 05:51.54 | jetscreamer | how come there is no mess when it's done properly? |
| 05:52.41 | chealer | lu_: strange that you're having problems then |
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| 05:53.16 | lu_ | well my problem is my naivety, new means infant mistakes |
| 05:53.33 | chealer | lu_: what's your kernel? |
| 05:53.40 | lu_ | custom 2.6.10 |
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| 05:54.06 | chealer | lu_: that was released after the latest Nvidia driver. you're sure that you need that? |
| 05:54.09 | Resonant | How do I make sure composite is enabled on my system? (not the current system I am on, mind you) |
| 05:54.11 | Fidget007 | what's the difference between testing and unstable? |
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| 05:54.29 | Fidget007 | Resonant: check /etc/X11/x86.conf |
| 05:54.37 | cef | novem: ok, get the grub menu up (you may need to hit 'Esc' to get it) |
| 05:54.49 | streuner__ | Fidget007: /msg dpkg sarge |
| 05:54.50 | novem | alright |
| 05:54.51 | novem | and? |
| 05:54.52 | streuner__ | Fidget007: /msg dpkg sid |
| 05:54.53 | cef | novem: it might be when you boot. |
| 05:54.55 | lu_ | no, just went through the permutations from 2.4-2.6.10 |
| 05:54.55 | drac | Resonant: composite is X.Org extension, and X.Org isn't in debian. |
| 05:55.03 | Shopgirl | :) |
| 05:55.08 | cef | novem: are you using the same pc? |
| 05:55.20 | lu_ | having fun, learning about doing a kernel |
| 05:55.31 | novem | not at the moment, esc will get me into the edit menu of grub i think |
| 05:55.36 | Resonant | drac: I believe you are right...which is wierd because I just looked the damn thing up and it said it was....whatever |
| 05:55.45 | novem | i know how to edit the grub entrys, etc. |
| 05:56.12 | chealer | lu_: way to get nvidia fun too then |
| 05:56.12 | Resonant | Does anyone know why my brothers system would be failing to correctly draw images on KDE and not refreshing text? the stupid NVIDIA splash screen doesnt go away until after login, etc etc etc |
| 05:56.17 | cef | novem: it'll get you the grub menu.. if there is a recovery mode kernel, you could try and boot that. otherwise press E to entry, and add 'init=/bin/bash' to the end |
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| 05:56.35 | novem | alright that should do it cef: thanks man. |
| 05:56.36 | chealer | Resonant: #nvidia |
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| 05:56.46 | Resonant | chealer: hehe, I have...several times |
| 05:56.48 | novem | no recovery but ile see if i can use bin/bash to fix er' up |
| 05:56.50 | xero | can anybody help me setup dual monitors with my ati card? |
| 05:56.53 | novem | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.53 | Resonant | over the course of several hours :( |
| 05:56.57 | Borgon | Hey guys |
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| 05:57.04 | cef | novem: only things to remember: your FS will be read only by default: use 'mount / -o remount,rw' to get it read/write |
| 05:57.18 | lu_ | yes i agree everytime i post a question on #nvidia they telll me to ask the wizards at # debian |
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| 05:57.36 | cef | novem: and remember to use 'mount / -o remount,ro' to turn it back to read only before you reboot! |
| 05:57.38 | Resonant | xero: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/10/05/025207&tid=13&tid=39&tid=23&tid=99 |
| 05:57.42 | lu_ | this is several days of asking, not just tonight :) |
| 05:57.58 | novem | that doesnt make perfect sense to me at this moment but i think it will when i get back into linux. thanks man |
| 05:58.02 | Borgon | I just got a 2u server, and am trying to install debian on 2x80GBhd... It seems to support raid, How do i configure it? raid1 or raid0? |
| 05:58.24 | Agrajag- | hey all, earlier today a box of mine started acting up, going really slow, loads of over 55. i ended up rebooting it. i have no idea what process/es went crazy, what's my best bet now the machine has rebooted to try and tell what happened? |
| 05:58.34 | cef | novem: between the rw and ro modes, do the stuff you need to do |
| 05:58.37 | chealer | Resonant: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14 |
| 05:58.39 | novem | k |
| 05:59.00 | Resonant | chealer thanks |
| 05:59.06 | novem | brb let me see what i can do with that |
| 05:59.19 | xero | rasonant: thanks ill check it out |
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| 05:59.37 | Fidget007 | how do I configure apt to run testing? |
| 05:59.55 | chealer | Fidget007: what's your current release? |
| 05:59.55 | debiand00d | does anyone know how to get kdm to work in sarge? |
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| 06:00.06 | debiand00d | I can't log in |
| 06:00.07 | streuner | Fidget007: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and put 'testing' or 'sarge' into the lines |
| 06:00.17 | Fidget007 | chealer: dunno, whatever basedebs.tar is |
| 06:00.23 | chealer | debiand00d: why? |
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| 06:00.37 | Fidget007 | streuner: can you paste an example? |
| 06:00.47 | Borgon | Anyone help me installing sarge on a 2u server 2x80GB ? What partition should i make it for raid? |
| 06:01.00 | streuner | Fidget007: run 'apt-setup' and edit that file by hand |
| 06:01.02 | chealer | Fidget007: I have no idea what that is. cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:01.08 | debiand00d | I configured xserver and the login screen comes up for kde, but it won't accept the correct login |
| 06:01.14 | Fidget007 | 3.0 |
| 06:01.23 | vsb | hi is there any way that i can download whole site or part of site? |
| 06:01.25 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: question for ya do you know where the file is that dhcp information/static is stored? |
| 06:01.27 | cef | Borgon: raid mirror setup? |
| 06:01.29 | chealer | Fidget007: then you're running stable/woody |
| 06:01.34 | Fidget007 | Borgon: You're not gonna partition it, you're gonna take partitions and feed them to your raid |
| 06:01.36 | streuner | Fidget007: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? (only the version) |
| 06:01.39 | debiand00d | vsb you use jigdo |
| 06:01.53 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.54 | Fidget007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.09 | Borgon | cef: the thing is that am not sure.. its a new used server and am just going to test some things out.. it has 2x80GB so raid1 would be best? |
| 06:02.09 | Fidget007 | streuner: 2.2.5-6 |
| 06:02.11 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, ^^ |
| 06:02.14 | chealer | debiand00d: how does it not accept it? |
| 06:02.24 | vsb | ok debiand00d |
| 06:02.34 | cef | Borgon: if you're using a reasonably recent d-i, you can actually boot off raid1, despite what it might try and tell you |
| 06:02.36 | debiand00d | it says "login failed" |
| 06:02.41 | Fidget007 | Borgon: What are you trying to do, data redundancy or data throughput? |
| 06:02.47 | streuner | Fidget007: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 06:03.00 | debiand00d | but gdm works with that login |
| 06:03.13 | chealer | debiand00d: you're sure you don't have non-English characters in login infos? wrong keyboard layout? |
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| 06:03.34 | cef | Borgon: if it's just a test setup, then yeah, just use raid1. partition things to your own proportions (eg: /var) as you please. |
| 06:03.37 | Borgon | Fidget007, well i will be making VDS/VPS with xen, so data is being moved all the time. |
| 06:03.38 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 06:03.56 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: do you know the command for it to grab dhcp? |
| 06:03.59 | debiand00d | chealer : keyboard is pc104 us/english |
| 06:04.06 | azreal | i seem to be missing some devices in /dev. anyone else have devs disappear recently? |
| 06:04.06 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: equal to gentoo's dhcpcd |
| 06:04.14 | Borgon | cef, so at the end... the auto partition from sarge works good? |
| 06:04.26 | streuner | SlicerDiver: apt-cache search dhcp server |
| 06:04.31 | Fidget007 | Brogon: You probably want Raid 0, striping, but you can do it with LVM too |
| 06:04.40 | cef | Borgon: yeah but it won't do raid for you afaik |
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| 06:04.55 | Borgon | cef, for example have hda 77GB 1Gb swap, and the saem for hdb ? then just click raid1 |
| 06:05.09 | Fidget007 | Borgon: try mkraid /dev/md0, then you can use mdadm to create your raid array |
| 06:05.13 | henrik_ | I'm looking for low latency (audio) patches for the 2.6.8 kernel. Do I need one or is it unnecessary? |
| 06:05.33 | Fidget007 | henrik_: try 2.6.10 or 2.6.11, they were supposed to have better audio latency |
| 06:05.35 | Borgon | cef, whats afaik, and why wont it do raid |
| 06:05.43 | cef | Borgon: you actually need to edit the partition types and tell it to mark the partition as "use for raid" |
| 06:05.50 | Fidget007 | Borgon: afaik: As Far As I Know |
| 06:05.53 | cef | afaik = as far as I know |
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| 06:06.23 | debiand00d | 2.4 kernel has software raid |
| 06:06.27 | henrik_ | Fidget007: How do I "downgrade" the kernel? (apt-get??) |
| 06:06.29 | debiand00d | 2.6 too |
| 06:06.39 | cef | Borgon: the installer won't auto-configure raid for you. |
| 06:06.43 | Borgon | Fidget007, if i do that, what would partition look like.. will i have 160Gb to use together or half of that goes to usage? |
| 06:06.43 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, no, i've set up pppoe once, dhcp never, under linux. |
| 06:06.50 | Fidget007 | henrik_: no clue, I go to kernel.org and download source raw |
| 06:07.03 | debiand00d | you install to one drive and make /etc/raidtab |
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| 06:07.17 | debiand00d | you put your raid info in raidtab |
| 06:07.25 | Borgon | cef, yeah am reading papers on raid installs this is the first one for me and am not too savvy with the technology |
| 06:07.26 | henrik_ | Fidget007: Ok... That seems a bit tough for me. |
| 06:07.30 | Fidget007 | Borgon: if you stripe, you will have full capacity of your disks, raid mirror is size of smaller disk |
| 06:07.31 | cef | Borgon: raid1 = redundant copies. ie: 2 x 80g drives gets you 80g usable. |
| 06:07.33 | debiand00d | and type <mkraid> |
| 06:07.53 | Fidget007 | henrik_: I don't know debian, maybe someone else can tell you how to get the latest kernel |
| 06:07.54 | debiand00d | then the kernel builds the raid array |
| 06:07.54 | chealer | debiand00d: did you test with a user with basic characters so you can be sure keyboard isn't the problem? |
| 06:08.16 | cef | Borgon: raid0 = striping. ie 2 x 80g drives gets you 160g, every second block of data resides on the second drive |
| 06:08.21 | henrik_ | Has anyone here used the 2.6.8 kernel for audio recording? |
| 06:08.23 | debiand00d | I tried it with the gnome and it logs in |
| 06:08.31 | holy_cow | streuner, the hack worked :) |
| 06:08.33 | Borgon | cef, are you familiar with lvm? |
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| 06:08.45 | streuner | holy_cow: hehe :-) |
| 06:08.48 | cef | debiand00d: 2.6 has mdadm, and it's much better than the old raid tools |
| 06:08.54 | debiand00d | so I'm using gnome |
| 06:09.00 | holy_cow | just out of curiosity, what is the general order of operations for getting a factoid into dpkg? |
| 06:09.05 | kaplanfx | if im looking to try out emacs for the first time, which package do I want? emacs21? xemacs21??? |
| 06:09.06 | cef | Borgon: a little bit, but I don't use it |
| 06:09.13 | debiand00d | cool, cef |
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| 06:09.26 | kaplanfx | mule? |
| 06:09.28 | kaplanfx | nomule? |
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| 06:09.40 | cef | Borgon: I haven't been able to get debian-installer to create a root file system on lvm, so i've avoided it |
| 06:09.42 | chealer | debiand00d: well, why bother asking then |
| 06:09.48 | streuner | holy_cow: /msg dpkg blah is blahblah? |
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| 06:10.07 | debiand00d | because I thought there might be an issue with sarge and kdm |
| 06:10.14 | Borgon | cef, i get an option also to create lvm volumes and am not sure if i should do that because i will be using xen to create the vds/vps and lvm volumnes are recommended to handle |
| 06:10.14 | Borgon | cef, think its better to do raid1 or 0 ? |
| 06:10.14 | holy_cow | oh okay, someone mentioned something a bit different last time. k. |
| 06:10.15 | Withdraw | anyone know how to recover my nickserv pasword? |
| 06:10.40 | jjazz | kaplanfx: IIRC, mule is multilanguage support, so if you're only doing English and not any exotic encodings, nomule. |
| 06:10.46 | debiand00d | withdraw: hold on a sec I'll tell you |
| 06:10.47 | streuner | Withdraw: did you try '/msg nickserv help |
| 06:10.53 | cef | Borgon: depends what you're doing. if you need speed, go with raid0. if you need a critical server, use raid1 |
| 06:10.55 | streuner | Withdraw: '? |
| 06:11.12 | Withdraw | streuner: yes? |
| 06:11.27 | chealer | debiand00d: #debian-kde |
| 06:11.32 | streuner | do that, it should solve it |
| 06:11.41 | kaplanfx | jjazz: so which package? there are like 100 diff ones |
| 06:11.48 | Withdraw | '? |
| 06:11.56 | Withdraw | ? |
| 06:12.28 | jjazz | kaplanfx: I don't actually use emacs, but I'd give emacs21 a try |
| 06:12.44 | kaplanfx | jjazz: I wonder how that differs from xemacs21 |
| 06:12.51 | kaplanfx | they both appear to be meta packages |
| 06:13.02 | cef | bbk |
| 06:13.05 | jjazz | kaplanfx: xemacs runs in X. emacs runs in a terminal |
| 06:13.08 | Fidget007 | Borgon: if your goal is to move lots of data around quickly, go with LVM2 and stripe it |
| 06:13.13 | debiand00d | ok |
| 06:13.16 | Withdraw | streuner where do i type '? |
| 06:13.32 | streuner | Withdraw: just here |
| 06:13.37 | Withdraw | '? |
| 06:13.41 | kaplanfx | jjazz: well there is an emacs21-nox so is this implying that emacs21 does contain x support? |
| 06:13.43 | Withdraw | like that? |
| 06:13.50 | Withdraw | ? |
| 06:13.55 | kaplanfx | and if I install xemacs21 will it not work on the command line as well? |
| 06:14.02 | kaplanfx | so confusing |
| 06:14.10 | streuner | Withdraw: just run '/msg nickserv help' |
| 06:14.10 | kaplanfx | where are all the emacs zelots now??? |
| 06:14.13 | jjazz | kaplanfx: That I couldn't tell you. If you want the X stuff, go with xemacs21 |
| 06:14.33 | debiand00d | withdraw: "/nickserv sendpass nick" and look in your email |
| 06:14.40 | jjazz | kaplanfx: And bear in mind I'm just guessing from the package descriptions |
| 06:14.57 | streuner | Withdraw: dunno about mIRC, just download X-Chat (xchat.org) |
| 06:15.07 | jjazz | kaplanfx: If you install it and it doesn't work, it should be easy to remove and try a different pacakge. |
| 06:15.16 | Withdraw | streuner, theres nothing about recovering a lost pw |
| 06:16.02 | kaplanfx | jjazz: true |
| 06:16.11 | streuner | Withdraw: true... |
| 06:16.22 | Fidget007 | apt-get update fails with E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room, any suggestions? |
| 06:16.31 | kaplanfx | Fidget007: increase the cache |
| 06:16.35 | debiand00d | withdraw^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 06:16.36 | Borgon | Fidget007, well its for a testing hosting server.. that will have vps/vds divide the resources with xen to people so raid0 with lvm2 ? |
| 06:16.37 | streuner | !dynamic mmap |
| 06:16.37 | dpkg | methinks dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 06:16.40 | kaplanfx | Fidget007: I think |
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| 06:16.48 | kaplanfx | yeah what dpkg said |
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| 06:17.17 | Fidget007 | kaplanfx: what cache? |
| 06:17.23 | kreg | just moved a working system over to a new hard drive. the new hard drive is smaller than the origianl hard drive. the system boots with a rescue disk, but not on it's own. i get superblock errors. is there a way to update that? |
| 06:17.27 | kaplanfx | in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 06:17.29 | Withdraw | debiand00d, what ? |
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| 06:17.48 | toresbe | kreg: how did you move the system? |
| 06:17.50 | Fidget007 | Borgon: the only reason to do raid is for data redundancy, lvm can do striping in a manner similar to raid 0 |
| 06:17.53 | kaplanfx | add the line APT::Cache-Limit 12582912; |
| 06:18.01 | kreg | toresbe cp -av |
| 06:18.03 | kaplanfx | note, you'll need to be root |
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| 06:18.18 | kreg | toresbe update /etc/fstab, then lilo'd |
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| 06:18.24 | Fidget007 | kaplanfx: I don't have an apt.conf |
| 06:18.29 | kaplanfx | create one |
| 06:18.34 | kaplanfx | use the command: |
| 06:18.37 | kaplanfx | touch apt.conf |
| 06:18.38 | Fidget007 | kaplanfx: and what do i put in it? |
| 06:18.43 | toresbe | kreg: might be that the hd is dying |
| 06:18.47 | kaplanfx | APT::Cache-Limit 12582912; |
| 06:18.58 | kreg | toresbe heh, that's why i moved it to this new drive. |
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| 06:19.06 | Fidget007 | kaplanfx: thanks |
| 06:19.11 | kreg | how do you remake the superblock stuff? |
| 06:19.12 | toresbe | kreg: heh, bummer |
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| 06:19.15 | kaplanfx | that'll give you 12 megs of cache for apt to load package listings |
| 06:19.28 | kaplanfx | er about 12 megs, not exactly |
| 06:19.37 | Fidget007 | kaplanfx: thanks, I get the idea :) |
| 06:19.44 | kaplanfx | your welcome |
| 06:20.19 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: gentoo had the same problem I foudn the problem |
| 06:20.55 | SlicerDicer | with my ethernet card it will not work on live cd I had to run it without internet till reboot once rebooted the kernel loaded it as module and it was all fine |
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| 06:21.09 | Borgon | Fidget007, right, so how should i partition it? I want raid0 but can i create lvm2 on top or do i have to create it at installation...since i got 2x80GB .. How much swap for each drive should i have? and what file system is best? Final question, i got debian sarge netinstall but it installs 2.4 .. how can i select 2.6 and is it more stasble? |
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| 06:21.46 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, that's why god invented alt+Fx |
| 06:22.09 | kaplanfx | jjazz: well I just went with the emacs21 meta package, but now I have some emacs goodness :) |
| 06:22.21 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: it puked everytime without fail in the disk but once I removed the disk ran dhcp with the actual install done it was fine |
| 06:22.22 | kaplanfx | or I will as soon as aptitude finishes working |
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| 06:22.43 | jjazz | kaplanfx: You poor soul. The emacs learning curve is not a fun one. |
| 06:22.44 | Fidget007 | Borgon: You create your raid 0 device, mkraid /dev/md0, you will then use mdadm or raidtool and /etc/raidtab to build your raid array. Afterwards, you will be able to build lvm on top of raid. |
| 06:22.47 | kaplanfx | SlicerDicer: do you have firewire |
| 06:22.50 | kaplanfx | ? |
| 06:22.59 | SlicerDicer | yes firewire 2 onboard |
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| 06:23.36 | kaplanfx | yeah, I think firewire cuases the prob, for some reason it comes up as eth0 sometimes I guess for ethernet over firewire |
| 06:23.46 | SlicerDicer | kaplanfx: the only motherboard on the market with firewire 2 onboard other than a mac :) pretty easy to narrow down what I got |
| 06:23.56 | kaplanfx | you need to make sure the installer is bringing up the correct interface |
| 06:23.57 | SlicerDicer | ahh good call that could be what it is :) forgot about that stuff |
| 06:24.36 | Fidget007 | Borgon: I'm not sure how to do any of those things from the debian installer, however if you look at http://www.tldp.org/, there's a howto for raid and lvm there |
| 06:24.47 | SlicerDicer | I actually dont use firewire myself |
| 06:24.54 | Borgon | Fidget007, ok thanks |
| 06:25.17 | SlicerDicer | I disable it normally on the mobo I dont know if its disabled I might have been experimenting with something and left it on I dont know kaplanfx |
| 06:25.28 | Fidget007 | is there a way to pretend, or show what apt-get dist-upgrade will do? |
| 06:25.57 | kaplanfx | SlicerDicer: I'm only suggesting it may be a problem, there is no guarantee that im correct :) |
| 06:26.03 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: is there anyway to do multiple threads downloading so I download 4-5 sources at once with apt-get? cause this 1 source at a time will barely dent my bandwith |
| 06:26.28 | SlicerDicer | kaplanfx: sounds good anyway but when I had the same issue with gentoo I had to put in a 10/100 d-link or it would not work |
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| 06:26.43 | TMCAWA12G | yo |
| 06:26.49 | TMCAWA12G | whats yo fav song ever? |
| 06:27.03 | Borgon | Fidget007, have a separate partition for /boot ? or have it at the begignning of the drive |
| 06:27.03 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, dunno. |
| 06:27.08 | SlicerDicer | once the install was done then I could modprobe activate it and then dhcpcd and my gigabit yukon chipset worked |
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| 06:27.11 | streuner | 'Beer and Titties' ;-) |
| 06:27.12 | kaplanfx | SlicerDicer: weird, my buddies laptop was having probs becuase it was trying to bring up firewire over ethernet instead of his nice |
| 06:27.31 | Fidget007 | Borgon: You are installing the entire OS on the raid/lvm? |
| 06:27.35 | jetscreamer | !sing TMCAWA12G |
| 06:27.40 | SlicerDicer | kaplanfx: yeah the yukon chipset is very weird I guess any onboard one really is |
| 06:27.43 | kaplanfx | streuner: I think its called titties and beer, not beer and titties, its a country song right? |
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| 06:27.51 | TMCAWA12G | KUNG FU FIGHTINGhas to be the best song ever! |
| 06:28.10 | streuner | kaplanfx: dunno if 'Zappa' sang Country ;-) |
| 06:28.18 | jetscreamer | it's titties&beer, but it's zappa |
| 06:28.32 | kaplanfx | streuner: we are talking about a diff song probably |
| 06:28.33 | TMCAWA12G | and they were kung fu fucking.... |
| 06:28.40 | Fidget007 | Borgon, I like a seperate partition for /boot, but it isn't necessary |
| 06:28.45 | SlicerDicer | kaplanfx: do you know if its possible to have apt-get grab several things at once from differnet sources so I am hammering my bandwith to 800+kb/s cause its only using 1/10th of my bandwith right now |
| 06:29.04 | TMCAWA12G | AND THEY WERE KUNG FU FUCKING..... |
| 06:29.14 | kaplanfx | SlicerDicer: I've asked before, and the answer is no, but I've never read a definative answer |
| 06:29.16 | jetscreamer | kick him |
| 06:29.20 | streuner | TMCAWA12G: shut up |
| 06:29.25 | TMCAWA12G | kick you in the nuts |
| 06:29.30 | SlicerDicer | kaplanfx: bummer |
| 06:29.30 | kaplanfx | SlicerDicer: but your connection sounds real nice |
| 06:29.31 | TMCAWA12G | im going balls-out |
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| 06:29.44 | jetscreamer | cut your sac open eh |
| 06:29.45 | SlicerDicer | kaplanfx: dual wan router with 2 connections on it :) |
| 06:29.48 | cef | *yawn* |
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| 06:30.09 | TMCAWA12G | i got my balls in a fucking jar of formaldehyde shit |
| 06:30.12 | azreal | why the hell does "ln -sf" no longer work? |
| 06:30.17 | SlicerDicer | kaplanfx: but I am only downloading at 100kb/s right now hehe |
| 06:30.28 | TMCAWA12G | azreal: because you are a dick |
| 06:30.29 | eclipse75 | hey people, what is the command to start the gui in debian? Im used to startx |
| 06:30.39 | jjazz | startx |
| 06:30.42 | jetscreamer | i didn't know that came in shit flavor |
| 06:30.49 | Borgon | Fidget007, yes its a test hosting server for vds/vps ... Last question, where do i select the kernel version for 2.6? its installing 2.4.x |
| 06:30.55 | jetscreamer | !ops TMCAWA12G |
| 06:30.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: TMCAWA12G |
| 06:30.59 | TMCAWA12G | just add some turds ;) |
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| 06:31.03 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@host-66-81-147-31.rev.o1.com] by helix |
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| 06:31.09 | eclipse75 | startx: cp,,amd mpt fpimd |
| 06:31.16 | eclipse75 | startx: command not found |
| 06:31.24 | cef | helix: woo! |
| 06:31.25 | eclipse75 | uughh bad typing right there |
| 06:31.32 | streuner | eclipse75: install xbase-clients |
| 06:31.37 | jetscreamer | that was quick :) |
| 06:31.42 | cef | that guy's been doing that on a number of freenode channels |
| 06:31.46 | jetscreamer | probably already doing it |
| 06:32.02 | SlicerDicer | kaplanfx: Ohh well either way downloading this slow is still faster than compiling everything on gentoo I am sure :P |
| 06:32.13 | eclipse75 | streuner - too few arguments |
| 06:32.24 | jetscreamer | you should get >100 |
| 06:32.32 | streuner | eclipse75: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 06:32.38 | jetscreamer | i get 164, my pipe is saturated there. |
| 06:32.39 | streuner | eclipse75: as root |
| 06:32.50 | azreal | TMCAWA12G: haha! i guess your a dick also. |
| 06:33.00 | azreal | doh |
| 06:33.02 | jetscreamer | !info apt-spy |
| 06:33.04 | dpkg | apt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-13 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 06:33.05 | eclipse75 | streuner - i am root |
| 06:33.06 | streuner | azreal: he's gone |
| 06:33.10 | kaplanfx | jjazz: just for reference, the emacs21 package gives me some gui menus when in x but works fine in the console as well |
| 06:33.16 | azreal | yeah, i just noticed |
| 06:33.20 | jetscreamer | streuner, he said doh. :) |
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| 06:33.41 | kaplanfx | SlicerDicer: you coming over to debian from gentoo? |
| 06:33.45 | jetscreamer | did you catch that apt-spy thing SlicerDicer ? |
| 06:33.45 | eclipse75 | k |
| 06:33.47 | eclipse75 | hang on |
| 06:33.52 | jjazz | kaplanfx: Thanks for the update. :) |
| 06:34.15 | azreal | so like, ln -sf used to work to wipe out a link, and replace it with a new one. what made that stop working? |
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| 06:35.03 | jjazz | jetscreamer: FWIW, I have found that apt-spy tells you what was fastest when it was run, not what's generally fastest all the time. |
| 06:35.09 | streuner | azreal: nah, you have to remove an existing link first |
| 06:35.20 | eclipse75 | streuner - it worked, thank you |
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| 06:35.29 | streuner | eclipse75: np |
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| 06:39.21 | SlicerDicer | kaplanfx: yep |
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| 06:39.32 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: apt-spy? |
| 06:39.56 | kaplanfx | SlicerDicer: welcome |
| 06:40.13 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, /msg dpkg info apt-spy |
| 06:40.27 | jetscreamer | or apt-cache show apt-spy |
| 06:40.41 | SlicerDicer | good stuff jetscreamer |
| 06:40.58 | SlicerDicer | thats like gentoo mirrorselect eh? |
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| 06:41.05 | jetscreamer | <jjazz> jetscreamer: FWIW, I have found that apt-spy tells you what was fastest when it was run, not what's generally fastest all the time. |
| 06:41.17 | BrianAnthony | Is there anyone in here that's _really_ good with X? |
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| 06:41.56 | SlicerDicer | BrianAnthony: what you need? I am fairly good with it hehe |
| 06:42.15 | BrianAnthony | Well, I'm having this _really_ crazy problem |
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| 06:42.25 | BrianAnthony | I can start X with no errors at all |
| 06:42.28 | Mr_Hawkins | anyone of you guy´s know if theres a way to run windows aplications under linux ? |
| 06:42.30 | cef | BrianAnthony: describe, and someone will hopefully be able to answer |
| 06:42.40 | BrianAnthony | But I have no mouse or keyboard functionality |
| 06:42.41 | jetscreamer | !tell Mr_Hawkins about wine |
| 06:42.44 | cef | Mr_Hawkins: wine possibly |
| 06:42.55 | SlicerDicer | Mr_Hawkins: wine or cedega www.winehq.com www.transgaming.com also vmware www.vmware.com IIRC |
| 06:42.57 | BrianAnthony | I've been trying to figure this out since Thursday |
| 06:43.09 | BrianAnthony | No one has been able to help me yet |
| 06:43.33 | SlicerDicer | BrianAnthony: I bet that your xorg.conf assuming your using xorg is not set right. |
| 06:43.42 | Mr_Hawkins | thanks =) |
| 06:43.44 | BrianAnthony | I'm using XF86 |
| 06:43.59 | BrianAnthony | I couldn't find xorg on apt-get |
| 06:44.02 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: does xf86config exist in debian? |
| 06:44.02 | jetscreamer | Mr_Hawkins, you can apt-get install wine |
| 06:44.15 | jetscreamer | it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:44.16 | cef | BrianAnthony: do you have a ps2 or usb mouse? |
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| 06:44.27 | SlicerDicer | try that brian what jetscreamer said :) |
| 06:44.28 | EvanCarroll | BrianAnthony: are you using sid/sarge or woody |
| 06:44.31 | jetscreamer | read line 17 before you hand edit it |
| 06:44.39 | BrianAnthony | cef: usb, I'm using /dev/psaux and IMPS/2 |
| 06:44.43 | BrianAnthony | Sarge |
| 06:45.00 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is the preferred debian way to amend XF86Config-4 |
| 06:45.06 | rixth | Whenever I try to unrar a RAR file, I get this "unrar: invalid option -- c |
| 06:45.07 | rixth | Try `unrar --help' or `unrar --usage' for more information. |
| 06:45.07 | rixth | " |
| 06:45.13 | cef | BrianAnthony: ok.. hrm.. usb should work out of the box. hrm hold a sec |
| 06:45.13 | rixth | Oh, whopps for the flooding :) |
| 06:45.21 | jetscreamer | rar x |
| 06:45.29 | EvanCarroll | BrianAnthony: Hrm thought i thought it was in sarge |
| 06:45.45 | rixth | Doesn't rar make the archive :S |
| 06:45.47 | BrianAnthony | EvanCarroll: ? |
| 06:45.54 | rixth | and unrar unzips? |
| 06:46.01 | jetscreamer | i was told rar x is the equiv |
| 06:46.09 | rixth | Ill try it |
| 06:46.10 | jetscreamer | never tested it myself though |
| 06:46.41 | nanok | rixth: just run unrar --help and read what it says, have you tried that? |
| 06:46.49 | BrianAnthony | but the funny thing is... I can get the mouse working sometimes |
| 06:46.58 | BrianAnthony | I've been through the config like 20 times |
| 06:47.00 | BrianAnthony | litteraly |
| 06:47.00 | cef | BrianAnthony: can you paste the output of 'grep "dev/input/mice" XF86Config-4' somewhere? |
| 06:47.15 | BrianAnthony | I can't paste from the console =/ |
| 06:47.24 | rixth | Nanok: yes, yes I have :) |
| 06:47.24 | nanok | BrianAnthony: try this simple experment: cat /dev/psaux, and move the mouse |
| 06:47.25 | jetscreamer | oh. which kernel BrianAnthony , or did you say |
| 06:47.31 | cef | BrianAnthony: ok, does it output anything at all? |
| 06:47.38 | BrianAnthony | can I append it to a file and upload it to a web server? |
| 06:47.40 | rixth | When I try and use Gnomes 'file roller' is gives that error |
| 06:47.43 | BrianAnthony | just a sec |
| 06:47.48 | Mr_Hawkins | jetscreamer:ok =) |
| 06:47.56 | rixth | Jetsreamer: your solutiuon worked, thanks :) |
| 06:48.13 | jetscreamer | rixth, fileroller works perfect with a rar here. sid. ah |
| 06:48.17 | cef | BrianAnthony: you should get something like this next line: |
| 06:48.22 | cef | BrianAnthony: Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 06:48.34 | BrianAnthony | it said no suck file or directory |
| 06:49.00 | BrianAnthony | nanok: no, I cna't move the mouse |
| 06:49.12 | cef | BrianAnthony: ahh try '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4' instead of just XF86Config-4 |
| 06:49.17 | jetscreamer | !tell BrianAnthony about paste |
| 06:49.23 | jetscreamer | see also #flood |
| 06:49.26 | nanok | BrianAnthony: than you should NOT use /dev/psaux when configuring you mouse; try the same w /dev/input/mice |
| 06:49.45 | nanok | BrianAnthony: is it glued to the table? :P |
| 06:49.57 | rixth | Jetscreamer: I'm using Sarge |
| 06:50.19 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 06:50.41 | cef | BrianAnthony: also try 'lsmod|grep mousedev' |
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| 06:50.44 | Fidget007 | SlicerDicer: Don't forget QEMU |
| 06:50.48 | Fidget007 | QEMU is free! |
| 06:51.01 | jetscreamer | yeah, why doesn't discover do mousedev |
| 06:51.26 | cef | jetscreamer: seems to on hotplug, but not by default at boot (at least, that's my current guess) |
| 06:51.50 | SlicerDicer | Fidget007: what si that? |
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| 06:52.09 | Mr | ok got the wine pack |
| 06:52.12 | BrianAnthony | it says that mousedev is unused |
| 06:52.12 | nanok | cef: ah, good point, he should run hotplug(allthough afair it is ran by the new installer anyway) |
| 06:52.16 | Mr | how do i execute it ? |
| 06:52.18 | BrianAnthony | and that input is hid? |
| 06:52.20 | Fidget007 | SlicerDicer: It's like vmware, but free and faster |
| 06:52.37 | Fidget007 | QEMU: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ |
| 06:52.38 | nanok | BrianAnthony: try /etc/init.d/hotplug restart, see what it says |
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| 06:53.20 | nanok | Fidget007: or just apt-cache search qemu :) |
| 06:53.47 | Rob_Hawkins | jetscreamer, : how do i execute wine ? |
| 06:53.47 | BrianAnthony | nanok: it said alot =P |
| 06:53.57 | BrianAnthony | it did say it had a success loading USB |
| 06:54.10 | nanok | BrianAnthony: good, we wre suspecting yo have no hutplug at all |
| 06:54.15 | BrianAnthony | it said everything else was alredy loaded |
| 06:54.15 | nanok | ok, that's ruled out |
| 06:54.20 | nanok | :) |
| 06:54.58 | jetscreamer | Rob_Hawkins, no idea, i just dual boot if i want windows. usually i have to put that hd back in though. |
| 06:55.09 | nanok | hm..damn, never had an usb mouse to fidle w before.. |
| 06:55.16 | jetscreamer | Rob_Hawkins, man wine |
| 06:55.17 | BrianAnthony | nanok: /dev/input/mice gave me mouse functionality |
| 06:55.19 | SlicerDicer | Fidget007: thanks I am a Cedega Subscriber too so it never hurts to have alot of choices |
| 06:55.23 | BrianAnthony | so I should use that in configuring x |
| 06:55.25 | cef | aha! |
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| 06:55.31 | cef | BrianAnthony: yes |
| 06:55.38 | Rawplayer | what is a martian source exactly? |
| 06:55.41 | BrianAnthony | But why did it load with it misconfigured =S |
| 06:55.42 | nanok | BrianAnthony: there is a really nice howto about seting up mice in X, on the net, i found it once when i had to deal with a serial mouse :) |
| 06:55.43 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, what about hid module |
| 06:55.46 | Fidget007 | SlicerDicer: QEMU isn't fast enough to play games :( |
| 06:55.59 | Fidget007 | SlicerDicer: but dosbox rocks for dos games! |
| 06:56.00 | BrianAnthony | jetscreamer: huh? |
| 06:56.03 | ireverentReveren | ok... i have a promise 100 and a promise 133. I put the promise 100 card in, and it registered, and then i but the prmoise 133 in, and now only the promise 133 is registed. How do i go about getting both to work at the same time? |
| 06:56.10 | cef | BrianAnthony: not sure.. I'm actually installing another box at the moment |
| 06:56.18 | nanok | BrianAnthony: ah, dev input mice spitted something on the tty when you moved the mouse? |
| 06:56.23 | SlicerDicer | Fidget007: Yah I would never think it was :) |
| 06:56.23 | Fidget007 | ireverentReveren: do you get dma timeouts/resets with the pdc driver? |
| 06:56.29 | BrianAnthony | nanok: yeah |
| 06:56.34 | Rawplayer | nm |
| 06:56.42 | nanok | BrianAnthony: good! use that, whe configurin x |
| 06:56.48 | BrianAnthony | okay |
| 06:56.54 | BrianAnthony | what about the keyboard? =P |
| 06:56.56 | nanok | BrianAnthony: run dpkg-reconfigure, it is the easyest way |
| 06:57.09 | ireverentReveren | Fidget007 i have no idea... all i have done it watch the bios screen and run lspci... how would i check? |
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| 06:57.11 | nanok | and when it asks for where your mouse is at, tell it that |
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| 06:57.24 | nanok | BrianAnthony: is the keyboard ps2? |
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| 06:57.29 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, to dpkg-reconfigure you need to do the md5sum thang as listed on line 17 or so of XF86Config-4 |
| 06:57.35 | jetscreamer | if you hand edited it |
| 06:57.50 | Fidget007 | ireverentReveren: run hdparm -tT /dev/hda, and then check dmesg|tail |
| 06:57.51 | cef | any d-i guru's about? where does d-i store it's temp list of apt sources? |
| 06:57.57 | SlicerDicer | Fidget007: I really need to find a faster mirror though any sugestions? |
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| 06:58.08 | BrianAnthony | jetscreamer: I doin't know what you're talking about. =S I know what an md5 sum is though |
| 06:58.14 | Fidget007 | ireverentReveren: if your read/write performance is abysmal, less than 10MB/s, you probably have DMA resets |
| 06:58.21 | Fidget007 | SlicerDicer: mirror? |
| 06:58.21 | crweb | official apt sources for mplayer, win32codecs and libdvdcss2 please? |
| 06:58.26 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, did you hand edit that file? if so, read line 17 of that file. |
| 06:58.33 | ireverentReveren | Fidget007 i havent hooked up any drives yet to the promise controllers, will that matter? |
| 06:58.34 | BrianAnthony | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.40 | jetscreamer | oh ok thought you did |
| 06:58.43 | nanok | crweb: there are no official ones, try apt-get.org |
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| 06:58.50 | BrianAnthony | nanok: yeah my keyboard is a ps/2 |
| 06:58.54 | Rob_Hawkins | how do you install programs from .tgz files ? |
| 06:59.02 | Rob_Hawkins | like dosbox |
| 06:59.07 | SlicerDicer | Fidget007: such as debian.oregonstate.edu or whatever that would be faster |
| 06:59.10 | suncomet | how to fix clock skew? i get clock skew detected when i changed my clock to right time |
| 06:59.14 | BrianAnthony | what is the package name for X? |
| 06:59.17 | BrianAnthony | for dpkg |
| 06:59.18 | jetscreamer | !tell crweb about marillat |
| 06:59.23 | nanok | BrianAnthony: configure x to run the mouse corectlly 1st, make sure the kbd is plugged in where it should, and we'll talk than |
| 06:59.24 | BrianAnthony | I forgot it =S |
| 06:59.28 | nanok | one step at a time ;) |
| 06:59.30 | Fidget007 | ireverentReveren: yes, yes that will |
| 06:59.33 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.35 | crweb | jetscreamer: thank you |
| 06:59.39 | jetscreamer | xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:00.02 | ireverentReveren | Fidget007 ok, i will hook one up to each and reboot |
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| 07:00.19 | superCow | I have compiled a third-party module from source.. how do I go about installing it under debian? I have looked into make-kpkg but I am uncertain on whether it will work with modules not from debian's own source repository.. |
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| 07:00.46 | dondelelcaro | superCow: make-kpkg will work with modules that have been make-kpkg'ized. |
| 07:01.03 | karsten | superCow: Install it where you want under /usr/local, and it's yours. Alternatively, GNU Stow. Or you can create a DEB. I think alien will go tgz => deb, but YMMV. |
| 07:01.06 | dondelelcaro | superCow: otherwise, you get to build the module against the appropriate kernel headers and install/remove it manually. |
| 07:01.18 | karsten | superCow: Ah. Kernel module. NM. |
| 07:01.38 | rixth | Is there any hack to let you take screenshots of video? |
| 07:01.49 | karsten | rixth: Several. |
| 07:02.07 | rixth | karsten: Could you point me to one? :) |
| 07:02.07 | superCow | well I've already built the module against the appropriate headers.. I can insmod it.. so just copy it to /usr/local somewhere and added it to a startup script? |
| 07:02.15 | karsten | rixth: You want to make a movie of a set of screenshots, or you want to take screenshots of a running video? |
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| 07:02.30 | azreal | can anyone suggest a cd burner frontend that works without ide-scsi? i just need to copy a audio cd, and i dont feel like compileing in ide-scsi again. |
| 07:02.35 | rixth | karsten: I want to take some screenshots of a music video |
| 07:02.37 | karsten | superCow: No, ignore my comments. I thought you were doing 3rd party SW, not kernel mod. |
| 07:02.48 | cef | argh! |
| 07:02.50 | karsten | rixth: Hrm. What happens with, say, import or scrot? |
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| 07:03.12 | jetscreamer | rixth, many players give you that function... i think xine does. |
| 07:03.21 | superCow | ok |
| 07:03.23 | nanok | azreal: it shouldn't depend on the frontend, but on cdrecord ;) k3b is a good choice |
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| 07:03.26 | rixth | Just pressing PrintScreen doesnt work =/ |
| 07:03.36 | jetscreamer | azreal, k3b does. |
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| 07:03.42 | rixth | I've tried Totem (ew) and VLC |
| 07:03.43 | BrianAnthony | welp, didn't work |
| 07:03.51 | BrianAnthony | no mouse functionality |
| 07:03.57 | jetscreamer | xine-ui |
| 07:04.06 | azreal | jetscreamer: how it refuses to detect my atapi burner? |
| 07:04.07 | nanok | BrianAnthony: what does the log say about that? |
| 07:04.08 | rixth | I'll apt-get xine |
| 07:04.15 | BrianAnthony | let me check |
| 07:04.20 | jetscreamer | xine-ui |
| 07:04.25 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 07:05.04 | Fidget007 | how do I get a list of packages installed on my system? |
| 07:05.05 | azreal | jetscreamer: i have been messing with k3b and trying to make it work, it wont let me select /dev/hdc as the writer at all, but it detects my scsi cdrom just fine. |
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| 07:05.21 | el` | Fidget007: Use Synaptic heh |
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| 07:05.29 | jetscreamer | yeah xine-ui, hit t |
| 07:05.38 | Rob_Hawkins | coool |
| 07:05.45 | BrianAnthony | nanok: I'm sorry and I'm a noob, can you tell me what I'm looking for? |
| 07:05.47 | karsten | rixth: Interesting. W/ xine, I just get a blue screen where the video's playing. |
| 07:05.48 | superCow | ok, so how does one install a module they have compiled themselves manually? The module is a NIC driver.. |
| 07:05.48 | Rob_Hawkins | wine works porfectly |
| 07:06.00 | karsten | rixth: ...using scrot |
| 07:06.04 | jetscreamer | azreal, did you do the k3b-setup? |
| 07:06.05 | rixth | Be back in a couple min guys :) |
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| 07:06.15 | nanok | BrianAnthony: something involving core pointer devices ;) |
| 07:06.27 | jetscreamer | Fidget007, dpkg -l |
| 07:06.38 | Fidget007 | jetscreamer: much obliged |
| 07:06.39 | nanok | Fidget007: dpkg --get-selections |
| 07:06.57 | BrianAnthony | well, it looks like it's an old configuration it used to run |
| 07:07.07 | nanok | Fidget007: you can also use aptitude or synaptic |
| 07:07.11 | BrianAnthony | because I looked at somethign and it was still set to /dev/psaux |
| 07:07.18 | BrianAnthony | and it had different identifiers |
| 07:07.23 | BrianAnthony | like for the monitor |
| 07:07.27 | BrianAnthony | and for the card |
| 07:07.30 | nanok | BrianAnthony: ok, there u go, make that right |
| 07:07.43 | azreal | jetscreamer: yeah, that doesnt work |
| 07:07.47 | BrianAnthony | But shouldn't it be coming from XF86Config-4 |
| 07:07.47 | BrianAnthony | ? |
| 07:08.03 | nanok | BrianAnthony: make sure it uses the file you are editing, it says when it strats what configuration file it is using |
| 07:08.24 | nanok | BrianAnthony: yes, it should, but there are also many sections in that file ;( |
| 07:08.28 | nanok | BrianAnthony: yes, it should, but there are also many sections in that file ;* |
| 07:08.32 | nanok | carp |
| 07:08.48 | nanok | crap |
| 07:08.49 | jetscreamer | azreal, does /dev/cdrom point to /dev/hdc? or /dev/cdrom0 or whatever? |
| 07:08.50 | nanok | :/ |
| 07:09.13 | azreal | jetscreamer: actually, it point to my scsi cdrom |
| 07:09.34 | rixth | xine does it fine, yet another problem solved here! |
| 07:09.36 | azreal | jetscreamer: should i change it to point to the burner? |
| 07:10.08 | nanok | azreal: can u use the burner to read cds at this point? |
| 07:10.17 | BrianAnthony | am I completely wasting my time here? like would it be really easier for me to move to Xorg? |
| 07:10.20 | jetscreamer | azreal, is there another? maybe make a /dev/cdrom0 ... changing it might work too, couldn't hurt to try either. (not sure) |
| 07:10.51 | azreal | nanok: not at all, it wont even detect the device |
| 07:11.03 | azreal | nanok: it=k3b |
| 07:11.05 | nanok | BrianAnthony: have you changed the configuration using dpkg-reconfigure or manually? |
| 07:11.22 | jetscreamer | azreal, do you have discover? and if so, did you tell it to manage mount points? |
| 07:11.24 | BrianAnthony | nanok I allways use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 07:11.29 | nanok | azreal: i mean, just reading a cd, forget about k3b for a second |
| 07:11.40 | BrianAnthony | that or, I use xf86config, and write the output to the exact location of the config |
| 07:11.51 | jetscreamer | aha |
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| 07:12.09 | nanok | BrianAnthony: hum, that one is a bit old, i wouldnt use that, unless really desperate :) |
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| 07:12.22 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, make that 'have you ever used any method to edit XF86Config-4 other than dpkg-reconfigure' |
| 07:12.42 | azreal | nanok: if its mounted |
| 07:12.43 | BrianAnthony | nanok: I;m not desperate. I've only been consoling arround since thursday =P |
| 07:12.44 | jetscreamer | up to and including mv or cp |
| 07:13.06 | BrianAnthony | jetscreamer: I used mv once |
| 07:13.08 | nanok | azreal: and how do you mount it? |
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| 07:13.16 | azreal | jetscreamer: i try to avoid discover |
| 07:13.24 | jetscreamer | azreal, me too |
| 07:13.33 | BrianAnthony | because I wrote XF86Config to the wrong directory |
| 07:13.34 | azreal | nanok: mount -t blah blah |
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| 07:13.42 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, you might need to run that md5sum thing |
| 07:13.46 | BrianAnthony | so I mv'd it to /etc/X11 |
| 07:13.57 | nanok | BrianAnthony: i hate to be a pain in the ass, but have you checked the kbd is not plugged int the other ps2 port ..? :/ |
| 07:14.03 | jetscreamer | and do dpkg-reconfigure |
| 07:14.13 | nanok | azreal: mount -t what device? |
| 07:14.24 | azreal | nanok: /dev/hdc |
| 07:14.25 | BrianAnthony | nanok: It's alright. =P I was told to do so earlier, but unfortuanately that's not the case |
| 07:14.34 | karsten | rixth: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=4243158&forum_id=3438 |
| 07:14.50 | karsten | rixth: If you're using xine, the '-s' option allows screenshotting. |
| 07:14.51 | BrianAnthony | jetscreamer: what do you mean run that md5sum? |
| 07:15.00 | BrianAnthony | and then dpkg-reconfigure again? |
| 07:15.02 | nanok | azreal: what kernel are you running? is it a stock debian one? |
| 07:15.19 | azreal | nanok: 2.6.8, and its not stock |
| 07:15.25 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and read the 17th line, not counting word wrap |
| 07:15.42 | jetscreamer | or 16-19 i forget |
| 07:15.53 | nanok | azreal: try cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI |
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| 07:16.59 | BrianAnthony | jetscreamer: line 17 is sitll in the GPL |
| 07:17.19 | jetscreamer | find where it talks about md5sum |
| 07:18.09 | jetscreamer | line 17 here |
| 07:18.26 | jetscreamer | md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 07:18.28 | azreal | nanok: it just spews out a bunch of spam about cdrecord |
| 07:18.37 | Fidget007 | is perl needed for a system? |
| 07:18.46 | jetscreamer | perl is cool |
| 07:18.49 | karsten | Fidget007: Unde Debian, yes. |
| 07:18.59 | karsten | Fidget007: APT is built with it. |
| 07:19.14 | BrianAnthony | jetscreamer: your line 17 is that? |
| 07:19.18 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:19.21 | BrianAnthony | mine is still the GPL |
| 07:19.28 | BrianAnthony | and I searched in the file for md5sum |
| 07:19.30 | BrianAnthony | and nothing came up |
| 07:19.49 | jetscreamer | i don't have a gpl statement :) |
| 07:19.51 | Fidget007 | karsten: once you have apt, do you need perl still? |
| 07:19.59 | karsten | Fidget007: Yes. |
| 07:20.03 | jetscreamer | type that line as root, BrianAnthony |
| 07:20.04 | Fidget007 | or is apt written in perl? |
| 07:20.05 | BrianAnthony | amd thay was in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 07:20.08 | BrianAnthony | that, even |
| 07:20.10 | karsten | Fidget007: Yes. |
| 07:20.12 | BrianAnthony | ohhh |
| 07:20.13 | jetscreamer | in console |
| 07:20.16 | crweb | i need help installing the nvidia driver, I can't get it to build |
| 07:20.23 | BrianAnthony | Well I don't think I have an md5 sum =/ |
| 07:20.28 | jetscreamer | jsut type it |
| 07:20.33 | jetscreamer | or cut&paste |
| 07:20.37 | jetscreamer | md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 07:20.41 | BrianAnthony | I can't cut and paste |
| 07:20.44 | BrianAnthony | let me type it up |
| 07:21.03 | crweb | i apt-get install kernel-sources-2.6.8-2-686 un tar'd it and linked /usr/src/linux, but nvidia install says it fails to build |
| 07:21.44 | jetscreamer | crweb, isthis the nvidia.com or the debian .deb |
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| 07:22.01 | jetscreamer | and you wan't the headers anyway |
| 07:22.02 | crweb | jetscreamer: the nvidia.com, where would i find the .deb, i've looked for it |
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| 07:22.15 | BrianAnthony | uhm it gave me two md5 hashes? |
| 07:22.15 | crweb | ahh.. the headers, ok |
| 07:22.21 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: I ran the linux26 and installed is it really needed to have that incredible amount of packages? |
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| 07:22.33 | ireverentReveren | what would the module used by the promise controller be? where could i find out? |
| 07:22.50 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: kile the MTA etc |
| 07:22.50 | crweb | not used to these being seperate packages (ex-gentoo user) |
| 07:22.59 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` then pass the installer --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include , note the lack of a trailing / |
| 07:23.59 | nanok | azreal: does it not detect your cdrwiter? |
| 07:24.00 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, they tell me all boxes need an mta, and you can remove stuff later too. anything you want to remove you should remove before upgrading your system though, so you don't update something then rmove it |
| 07:24.33 | BrianAnthony | jetscreamer: did you want me to put the two md5sums on here? |
| 07:24.41 | jetscreamer | crweb, you want to specify the -#-arch |
| 07:24.48 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, type that exact line |
| 07:24.51 | broke | I need help with mounting my usbkey on my debian system |
| 07:24.52 | crweb | yeah, i have 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 07:25.13 | BrianAnthony | the output or th eline you did |
| 07:25.19 | BrianAnthony | I'm really sorry |
| 07:25.31 | jetscreamer | md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 07:25.35 | jetscreamer | exactly that |
| 07:25.40 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: wow my image looks like shit... |
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| 07:25.51 | BrianAnthony | how do I drop a line withotu using a return? |
| 07:25.53 | jetscreamer | SlicerDicer, image? |
| 07:25.58 | BrianAnthony | because if I do a return, it'll just run it |
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| 07:26.06 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 07:26.15 | jetscreamer | yes, hit enter after you type that |
| 07:26.17 | nanok | BrianAnthony: that's the point :) |
| 07:26.22 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: my kde desktop looks like its been chewed up and regurgitated(SP) |
| 07:26.34 | BrianAnthony | =S mayb eit's just how I'm seing it in bitchx |
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| 07:26.50 | BrianAnthony | okay, I typed that and ran it |
| 07:26.58 | BrianAnthony | and it gave me two md5sums for two files |
| 07:27.21 | nanok | BrianAnthony: have you forgot to put the " > " |
| 07:27.25 | nanok | in there? |
| 07:27.29 | nanok | :) |
| 07:27.44 | BrianAnthony | yeah =P |
| 07:27.45 | BrianAnthony | okay |
| 07:27.48 | BrianAnthony | ran okay |
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| 07:27.52 | jetscreamer | nanok++ |
| 07:28.04 | BrianAnthony | I'm sorry I'm being such a noob |
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| 07:28.10 | jetscreamer | ok now dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and see if that helps. |
| 07:28.14 | BrianAnthony | but I've been up for so long trying to figure this out |
| 07:28.15 | BrianAnthony | okay |
| 07:28.17 | nanok | BrianAnthony: litle explanation: that sign tells your twrminal to spit the output of the first command in the file stated after the sign ;) |
| 07:28.29 | jetscreamer | try doing modprobe mousedev also, just for the heck of it |
| 07:28.33 | sanmarcos | I am trying to mount something via nfs, and i get mount: RPC: Program not registered, any ideas? |
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| 07:29.15 | BrianAnthony | okay |
| 07:29.17 | nanok | jetscreamer: huh? |
| 07:29.48 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: where is the X config located in debian same place as gentoo? |
| 07:29.57 | jetscreamer | wtg and all that, good call, bravo, kudos... |
| 07:30.10 | BrianAnthony | okay |
| 07:30.11 | BrianAnthony | yaay |
| 07:30.14 | BrianAnthony | an error |
| 07:30.16 | BrianAnthony | thank you jesus |
| 07:30.20 | nanok | jetscreamer: ah, :)) |
| 07:30.27 | SlicerDicer | nvm I found it jetscreamer |
| 07:30.27 | nanok | jetscreamer: we make a good team :P |
| 07:30.42 | nanok | BrianAnthony: ? |
| 07:30.48 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:31.14 | SlicerDicer | jetscreamer: I really need nvidia drivers |
| 07:31.30 | jetscreamer | #nvidia , nvidia.com |
| 07:31.36 | jetscreamer | !tell SlicerDicer about nvidia |
| 07:31.44 | BrianAnthony | it said it couldn't initiate the core pointer |
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| 07:32.01 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, what about modprobe mousedev |
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| 07:32.27 | BrianAnthony | it says |
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| 07:32.45 | BrianAnthony | mice: PS/2 mouse common for all dev |
| 07:32.58 | BrianAnthony | you know it didn't ask me to select a protocol |
| 07:33.14 | BrianAnthony | should that be IMPS/2? |
| 07:33.15 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, if x works now, you need to add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 07:33.22 | jetscreamer | no this is different |
| 07:33.25 | BrianAnthony | okay |
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| 07:33.28 | jetscreamer | very confusing i know |
| 07:33.30 | BrianAnthony | it doesn't startup |
| 07:33.35 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 07:33.40 | BrianAnthony | it says it can't start the core pointer |
| 07:33.41 | ireverentReveren | i know that promise controllers are supported in linux, but how would i go about finding the name of the module to modprode to get it to work? |
| 07:34.05 | BrianAnthony | it says no such device /dev/input/mice |
| 07:34.06 | alexscott | plop |
| 07:34.06 | jetscreamer | you chose /dev/input/mice eh BrianAnthony ? |
| 07:34.14 | el` | The 100 and the 133 use seperate modules? |
| 07:34.21 | BrianAnthony | but I know it worked with cat /dev/input/mice |
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| 07:34.42 | BrianAnthony | do you think reloading the hotplug thing helped? |
| 07:34.48 | ireverentReveren | el` no idea... i have no idea what to use.... |
| 07:34.52 | el` | Hmm |
| 07:34.52 | BrianAnthony | because it said it loaded the USB |
| 07:35.23 | nanok | BrianAnthony: well, it should still be loaded.. |
| 07:35.26 | BrianAnthony | but see it also worked _some_ of the time with /dev/psaux |
| 07:35.30 | BrianAnthony | but I had to restart |
| 07:35.33 | ireverentReveren | el` all i can find by google is fastrak controllers and setting up RAID, and typically 2.4.x kerenl, not the 2.6.10 i am using |
| 07:35.37 | BrianAnthony | becaus eI had no way out of X |
| 07:38.48 | el` | kernel's are easy |
| 07:38.50 | novem | i cant seem to fix a kernel panic unable to sync init. can i use the debian net install disc to fix this for sarge? |
| 07:38.52 | nanok | BrianAnthony: i have had the same totally weird problem with a computer, changed kernel, never happpened again |
| 07:39.06 | nanok | BrianAnthony: just apt-get install kernel-iamge-of.your.choice |
| 07:39.07 | jetscreamer | do usb mice need hid under linux? |
| 07:39.31 | BrianAnthony | nanok: do I have to configure anything elese after I run apt-get? |
| 07:39.33 | nanok | BrianAnthony: if we are talking about a desktop, a fairlly new one, try 2.6, it also has alsa built in ;) |
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| 07:39.41 | BrianAnthony | ooh |
| 07:39.43 | jetscreamer | i thought he had 2.6 |
| 07:39.46 | BrianAnthony | alsa is worth it =) |
| 07:39.55 | nanok | BrianAnthony: no, it is as easy as <enter> <enter> |
| 07:39.56 | nanok | :) |
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| 07:40.03 | nanok | well, not really, but close :) |
| 07:40.10 | Phated | jetscreamer: Can't hurt. |
| 07:40.11 | BrianAnthony | what version should I get? |
| 07:40.15 | BrianAnthony | well |
| 07:40.22 | Phated | jetscreamer: I recall absolute grief with anything USB until I got hid. |
| 07:40.22 | nanok | BrianAnthony: the latest |
| 07:40.23 | BrianAnthony | 686 pr 386 |
| 07:40.26 | BrianAnthony | or, even |
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| 07:40.36 | nanok | BrianAnthony: what cpu do you have? |
| 07:40.46 | BrianAnthony | x86 =D |
| 07:40.51 | Phated | 386 works on pretty much any x86 machine. And it doesn't make all that much of a difference, really. |
| 07:40.54 | novem | can anyone help me, is there a feature to fix the ramdisc, the initrd etc in the debian install disc? |
| 07:40.58 | nanok | yeah, yeah, more preciselly :P |
| 07:41.08 | Phated | BrianAnthony: nanok means like PIII, PIV, or what. |
| 07:41.25 | BrianAnthony | AMD Athlon XP 2000+ |
| 07:41.31 | nanok | BrianAnthony: i did not asume you had an alpha cpu there :) |
| 07:41.35 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, you might try modprobe hid or usb_hid, not sure which it is |
| 07:41.46 | Phated | Er... |
| 07:41.49 | nanok | BrianAnthony: ok, than get a package with K7 int the name |
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| 07:41.55 | Phated | I think it's something like uhci_hid. |
| 07:41.56 | BrianAnthony | k |
| 07:42.04 | BrianAnthony | what is smp? |
| 07:42.13 | el` | BrianAnthony: apt-get update && apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7 |
| 07:42.13 | Phated | Er, no, usb-uhci. |
| 07:42.21 | jetscreamer | i just know CONFIG_USB_HID=y |
| 07:42.21 | el` | Try that one~ |
| 07:42.31 | nanok | jetscreamer: the strange thing is that the kbd is also not functional, and only in x, not systemwide.. |
| 07:42.32 | Phated | In which case he won't need it, will he? |
| 07:42.49 | el` | smp = multiprocessor support |
| 07:43.05 | nanok | BrianAnthony: smp stands for symetric multi processing, it is for dual or more platforms ;) |
| 07:43.21 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, your keyboard doesn't work in console? |
| 07:43.27 | el` | Of course it does |
| 07:43.28 | el` | hah |
| 07:43.30 | nanok | BrianAnthony: you probablly don't need that :) |
| 07:43.32 | el` | he's typing =/ |
| 07:43.36 | BrianAnthony | jetscreamer: I'm using it righ tnow |
| 07:43.47 | novem | can anyone help me with the error "kernel panic, can't sync init" i changed pc cases and got this, how can i fix it? |
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| 07:44.15 | nanok | jetscreamer: i told you, i have seen that b4, in my office, haven't figured it out to this day, sometimes it would work..sometimes not.. |
| 07:44.22 | el` | novem: is that the full error you're getting? |
| 07:44.30 | BrianAnthony | =O |
| 07:44.30 | jetscreamer | damn. i have to wake up in 3 hours & 15 minutes :/ |
| 07:44.35 | BrianAnthony | it din't even prompt me |
| 07:44.42 | BrianAnthony | should I restart and iwll it have the new kernel? |
| 07:44.51 | BrianAnthony | it even edited grub |
| 07:44.53 | BrianAnthony | this is hot |
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| 07:45.04 | kreg | ok i wrote a working iptables script. it's in /root/iptables what do i do with it so it runs when i boot sarge? |
| 07:45.04 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, supposedly. |
| 07:45.06 | Phated | Hot? You -are- a geek, aren't you. |
| 07:45.13 | nanok | novem: you can fix it by puting you hdd on the same chanell as it was before :) |
| 07:45.20 | Phated | :) |
| 07:45.21 | BrianAnthony | Phated: I'm a wanna-be one? =D |
| 07:45.28 | el` | I'd check /boot/grub/menu.1st and make sure all the drives are right first |
| 07:45.37 | Phated | Close enough. You get turned on by grub being auto-edited. |
| 07:46.15 | el` | I'd had shit screw up my grub menu recently. |
| 07:46.26 | jetscreamer | remember hid |
| 07:46.27 | jm_ | it's menu.lst not menu.1st |
| 07:46.29 | nanok | novem: and also make sure it is master/slave, whatever it was before you changed cases |
| 07:46.31 | novem | yeah i figured ide have to put it back on ide1. i just dont wanna unscrew the case hah |
| 07:46.35 | BrianAnthony | uh that file didn't exist |
| 07:46.39 | novem | alright ile get off my rocker and do that. thanks |
| 07:46.42 | Phated | See what jm_ said. |
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| 07:46.48 | BrianAnthony | oh |
| 07:46.49 | BrianAnthony | lol |
| 07:46.55 | jetscreamer | apt-get install modconf |
| 07:47.02 | jetscreamer | someday |
| 07:47.15 | Borgon_ | Hello |
| 07:47.15 | el` | ireverentReveren: Weird, I can't find any 2.6.10 kernel patches for promise either, that sucks |
| 07:47.31 | el` | jm: yea yea, blow me =P |
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| 07:47.48 | Borgon_ | I am trying to install RAid1 on 2x80GB ... How should i make the partitions for each HD? |
| 07:47.54 | BrianAnthony | it has the same options as the other boot options |
| 07:48.19 | BrianAnthony | I think I'll risk it and just restart |
| 07:48.20 | BrianAnthony | brb |
| 07:48.21 | BrianAnthony | =D |
| 07:48.23 | el` | lol |
| 07:48.25 | Phated | Yes, that's good, because at least it means the boot options won't fuck it up. |
| 07:48.45 | Phated | And... he's off, ladies and gentlemen, racing away to the power button... |
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| 07:48.59 | el` | I think it rewrites menu.lst completely , it doesn't just add to it |
| 07:49.16 | el` | so they could all end up being wrong, if it happens :/ |
| 07:49.28 | Phated | I just use lilo and verify my own shit. |
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| 07:50.31 | BrianAnthony | well it looks like everything is okauy |
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| 07:50.36 | el` | yay |
| 07:50.46 | ireverentReveren | if i just added a promise controller, should i be able to immediatly see the /dev/hdx attached or do i need to do more work? |
| 07:50.53 | nanok | BrianAnthony: mose, kbd, x? |
| 07:51.28 | nanok | ireverentReveren: type dmesg | less and look for something relevant |
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| 07:51.49 | ireverentReveren | nanok thank you, doing so now |
| 07:51.49 | BrianAnthony | won;t open /dev/input/mice |
| 07:51.53 | nanok | ireverentReveren: or if inpatiet, fdisk -l |
| 07:51.56 | nanok | :) |
| 07:52.21 | nanok | BrianAnthony: hum, does it work w cat /dev/input/mice? |
| 07:52.33 | Borgon_ | I am trying to install RAid1 on 2x80GB ... How should i make the partitions for each HD? |
| 07:52.41 | BrianAnthony | no such file or directory |
| 07:52.54 | nanok | BrianAnthony: /etc/init.d/hotplug start |
| 07:53.04 | peterS | Borgon_: make the two HDs identical. use 'cfdisk /dev/hda' or whatever. use partition type FE. |
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| 07:53.38 | BrianAnthony | not working still |
| 07:54.36 | nanok | BrianAnthony: uname -r |
| 07:54.54 | BrianAnthony | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 07:55.36 | mcmehl | hy @all, i installed debian on ultrasparc II, it works fine. But can't boot up from Raid1 (mdX-device), exit with kernel panic: EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock |
| 07:55.38 | nanok | BrianAnthony: ok |
| 07:56.00 | ireverentReveren | nanok fdisk -l does not show the extra drive, but dmesg|less shows that one of the promise controllers WAS found and set up, but the "probing IDE interface ide4 and 5 resulted in "wait for ready failed before probe !" any idea what i should do next? |
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| 07:56.12 | nanok | BrianAnthony: /etc/init.d/discover restart ? :/ |
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| 07:56.47 | BrianAnthony | skipped everything |
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| 07:56.55 | Borgon_ | peterS, can you tell me ... how the partition table would be looking like? for example make hda1 / 80Gb raid and hda2, 80GB raid type or what? this is where am confused... in setting the right partition types for the 2x80GB once i have that i want to install regular |
| 07:57.11 | ugexe | how do i pipe all dmesg's to a terminal window? like everytime one happens it will send it |
| 07:57.19 | peterS | Borgon_: what do you want? just a single RAID volume spanning the whole two disks? |
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| 07:57.50 | nanok | ugexe: edit syslog config file, put *.* /dev/tty12 at the end of it |
| 07:58.07 | nanok | it will spit everything on the twelvth console |
| 07:58.14 | peterS | nanok: that'll send all of syslog there too, not just the kernel log. he's talking about dmesg which is the kernel log |
| 07:58.22 | ugexe | nanok: what is the syslog file name? |
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| 07:58.45 | nanok | peterS: well, it is good nonetheless :), it can't hurt :) |
| 07:58.52 | kreg | ok i wrote a working iptables script. it's in /root/iptables what do i do with it so it runs when i boot sarge? |
| 07:58.59 | nanok | peterS: seriously, i find it really useful |
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| 07:59.00 | Borgon_ | peterS, yes i am trying to do raid1 |
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| 07:59.08 | sevenoak | hi, i have some problems installing avm fritz drivers. install.log says: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build: File or Directory does not exist. finish. i have done a standard installation, the system is fresh. whats wrong? |
| 07:59.21 | Borgon_ | peterS, i just want to get sarge installed with raid1.. this is my first time messing with raid.. ive been reading alot but nothing tells me what to make partition tables like ... 2x80Gb |
| 07:59.22 | nanok | kreg: put it in /etc/init.d/ and use update-rc.d |
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| 07:59.48 | broke_ | how do I configure the kernel under debian ? where's the source ? |
| 07:59.49 | kreg | ok |
| 07:59.51 | BrianAnthony | nanok: so am is it not looking good for me? |
| 07:59.54 | kreg | never done anything like that before |
| 08:00.01 | BrianAnthony | s/am/ / |
| 08:00.02 | el` | /usr/src/ |
| 08:00.16 | peterS | Borgon_: so, create a partition across your whole disk. run 'cfdisk /dev/hda' (or whatever your disk is), delete existing partitions if any, create a single partition full size. give it type 'fe'. |
| 08:00.20 | peterS | Borgon_: do the same with your other disk |
| 08:00.39 | broke_ | that's what I thought, but theres is just a rpm dir there |
| 08:00.40 | Peepee | Hi, I need advice on how to use the chat line. |
| 08:00.45 | broke_ | I want to run menuconfig |
| 08:00.46 | ugexe | nanok: i added that line to the end of /var/log/syslog now will it open a terminal window for me or do i need to have a specific window open for it? |
| 08:00.50 | nanok | BrianAnthony: pls excuse me, i am a litle busy right now |
| 08:00.51 | el` | broke_: rpm? eh? heh |
| 08:00.57 | nanok | still here though |
| 08:01.15 | BrianAnthony | nanok: it's okay =P I appreciate all the help so far |
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| 08:01.18 | peterS | Borgon_: you *should* be able to do something much like this inside the debian-installer partitioner, and create a RAID1 volume that way. I can't walk you through that, though |
| 08:01.24 | el` | broke_: You have to download a kernel source first, before you can configure it |
| 08:01.28 | nanok | ugexe: no, it will spit everything on the tty12, after you restart syslog |
| 08:01.28 | Borgon_ | peterS, so dont use the regular debian gui installer? |
| 08:01.34 | sevenoak | hi, i have some problems installing avm fritz drivers. install.log says: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build: File or Directory does not exist. finish. i have done a standard installation, the system is fresh. have anyone a idea? |
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| 08:01.49 | peterS | Borgon_: it ought to work. I just can't tell you exactly how |
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| 08:02.19 | broke_ | el'> the thing is, I just want to add a module for my usbkey. easier way ?!? |
| 08:02.31 | kreg | nanok, there already is an iptables script there. but it's not a firewall script |
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| 08:03.08 | jm_ | broke: standard Debian kernels support that |
| 08:03.31 | Borgon_ | peterS, right, but can you tell me ... What the partition table should looklike? for example hda1 and hda2 .... have / 80Gb marked as raid and same with the 2nd or what? |
| 08:03.31 | Borgon_ | i never partitioned my hds for raid |
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| 08:03.32 | nanok | broke_: you shouldnt need a module, it should be managed by hutplug, and usually mapped to some sdx drive |
| 08:03.40 | SlicerDicer- | can you search apt-get like gentoo's portage from the terminal? |
| 08:03.44 | peterS | Borgon_: just hda1, no hda2 needed at all |
| 08:03.51 | nanok | broke_: try dmesg, just after you plugged the thing in |
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| 08:03.54 | crweb | SlicerDicer-: apt-cache search package |
| 08:04.02 | peterS | <peterS> I went to our jazz concert rehearsal this evening, then boogied down to the dance studio to get there with 45 minutes of dancing left in the evening. that worked out ok. |
| 08:04.05 | peterS | oy |
| 08:04.09 | broke_ | nanok : |
| 08:04.10 | broke_ | sda: test WP failed, assume Write Protected |
| 08:04.10 | broke_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:04.52 | nanok | broke_: ok, you can mount those partitions on the usbkey now |
| 08:04.52 | mcmehl | my debian (sarge) doesn't start up from a software-raid (mdX-device)... is there anything to to in my silo.conf? |
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| 08:05.10 | nanok | jut make directoryes for them, and mount them where you please |
| 08:05.26 | Borgon_ | peterS, so wipe the 2nd harddrive and leave it alone? and just configure hda as ext3? There has to be a partition marked as raid |
| 08:05.42 | BrianAnthony | ciggerette brb |
| 08:06.01 | peterS | Borgon_: you do the same to both drives. partition them both with a single partition each, type fe |
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| 08:06.54 | broke_ | nanok : why does it list more than one partition, when I only have a usbkey plugged |
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| 08:07.02 | ireverentReveren | what does "idex:wait for ready failed before probe ! " mean? |
| 08:08.23 | Borgon_ | peterS, ok ill retry.. i dont know if its just me or what because the RH installer was much friendlier when it came to raid and automerge the hard drives so i know it was working |
| 08:09.17 | rixth | What is the OpenOffice equiv to Publisher? |
| 08:09.40 | rixth | (or what is a good Linux Publisher like app?) |
| 08:09.45 | kreg | is there a way to copy over all exsisting users on one box, and create them on a new box? |
| 08:09.53 | kreg | with passwords intact |
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| 08:10.12 | rixth | kreg: only advisable if the other machine is exactly the same hardware wise |
| 08:10.23 | _joey | are there forums/mailing lists where I can questions related to Debian? |
| 08:10.28 | kreg | rixth, ? really? |
| 08:10.31 | kreg | why's that |
| 08:10.37 | rixth | Find something like *cough* Norton Ghost |
| 08:10.52 | kreg | norton ghost for debian? |
| 08:10.59 | rixth | kreg: when linux can't find the hardware it's looking for, it packs a sad and wont boot |
| 08:10.59 | el` | norton ghost doesnt care =/ |
| 08:11.06 | rixth | (or so I've found in the past) |
| 08:11.17 | kreg | dude, users. not the file system and instalation |
| 08:11.23 | kreg | the accounts |
| 08:11.43 | kreg | i don't want to ask 12 people that i reset their password and please make a new one |
| 08:11.44 | rixth | Oh :$, sorry :) |
| 08:12.16 | BrianAnthony | does anyone know how to have multiple windows open in BitchX? |
| 08:12.27 | BrianAnthony | I could have sworn I had it down before... or maybe I didn't |
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| 08:12.54 | rixth | what is a good MS Publisher like app? |
| 08:12.56 | slackd00d | should i uninstall automake1.4 before i install automake1.6? |
| 08:13.10 | BrianAnthony | rixth: I hear you |
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| 08:13.19 | slackd00d | because when i selct 1.6 it doesnt want to uninstall 1.4 |
| 08:13.33 | BrianAnthony | I can't go back though... no matter how long I have to stay in this console |
| 08:13.35 | rixth | BrianAnthony: I'll take a look at BitchX |
| 08:13.45 | rixth | apt-get install bitchx |
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| 08:14.03 | rixth | whoops, supposed to go in the terminal :) |
| 08:14.07 | BrianAnthony | =P |
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| 08:14.16 | nanok | rixth: try irssi |
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| 08:14.32 | BrianAnthony | nanok: what is the package name for irssi? |
| 08:14.36 | el` | yea, irssi has good window handling, or epic4 + jmz |
| 08:14.37 | BrianAnthony | I liked that lot better |
| 08:14.38 | el` | :P |
| 08:14.39 | sanmarcos | how can I completely reinstall a package?. --reinstall --purge? |
| 08:14.46 | el` | irssi-snapshot i think |
| 08:14.47 | nanok | BrianAnthony: apt-cache search will tell you |
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| 08:14.59 | Borgon_ | Would it harm the server if i run lvm ontop of raid1? |
| 08:15.10 | peterS | Borgon_: lvm over raid1 is a very common thing to do |
| 08:15.22 | el` | Borgon_: No, but it'll make babys cry. |
| 08:15.23 | peterS | Borgon_: doing that as your root filesystem *ought* to work but there've been glitches in the past related to that support |
| 08:15.56 | rixth | Thanks nannok |
| 08:16.00 | BrianAnthony | brb |
| 08:16.03 | BrianAnthony | yaay for IRssi |
| 08:16.08 | rixth | Brian, bitchX wouldn't install, but im sure someone else can help :) |
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| 08:16.42 | Borgon_ | peterS, you recommend to install lvm ontop of raid before the install... OR install raid1 with debian minimal install then configure lvm? |
| 08:16.42 | Borgon_ | lvm1 vs lvm2 who wins |
| 08:16.54 | ireverentReveren | what does "idex:wait for ready failed before probe ! " mean? |
| 08:16.55 | rixth | nanok: irrsi is an IRC client =/ |
| 08:17.05 | rixth | I was looking for a MS Publisher like app :) |
| 08:17.19 | peterS | Borgon_: lvm2 wins. but changing a raid volume from non-lvm to lvm, after the install, won't really be possible without a lot of acrobatics |
| 08:17.28 | peterS | Borgon_: so do it all up front, if you're gonna do it at all |
| 08:17.29 | BrianAnthony | nanok: do you think that maybe the mouse isn't picked up by the new kernel image? |
| 08:17.56 | el` | your mouse still doesn't work? |
| 08:18.19 | TML | rixth: BitchX is also an IRC client. I'm not sure what MS Publisher is/does. Try inkscape, maybe. |
| 08:18.20 | BrianAnthony | el`: I can't get it at all now |
| 08:18.27 | nanok | BrianAnthony: no |
| 08:18.32 | el` | modprobe psmouse? |
| 08:18.40 | nanok | BrianAnthony: how good is you inet connection? |
| 08:18.43 | el` | Or is it not ps2? |
| 08:18.54 | Phated | modprobe usbcore, usb_hid...? |
| 08:19.01 | BrianAnthony | nanok 4.3 mbit |
| 08:19.21 | superCow | is it ok to copy a module I compiled myself into /lib/modules/[VERSION]/kernel/drivers/net ? or should I put custom modules in their own folder? |
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| 08:19.40 | TML | rixth: Or, better yet, if you could describe the features you're looking for without referring back to a piece of proprietary software, we could probably help more. |
| 08:19.43 | rixth | MS Publisher is used for making brochures and the like |
| 08:20.23 | rixth | But not presentations, like OpenOffice Impress |
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| 08:20.23 | Phated | Why not apt-cache search publishing? |
| 08:20.23 | TML | rixth: Desktop publishing, maybe? |
| 08:20.29 | ireverentReveren | the gimp? |
| 08:20.53 | rixth | Why, pat-cache, why did I not think of that *sigh* Ill be back soon |
| 08:20.59 | TML | ireverentReveren: The GIMP would fall more into the inkscape category. |
| 08:21.12 | BrianAnthony | nanok: why do you ask? |
| 08:21.16 | TML | At least, IMO |
| 08:21.31 | nanok | BrianAnthony: well, i hate to suggest that, but maybe get a livecd iso, like knoppix (or maybe insert, it is smaller,), but, and see if it works. if it does, try to see what the differences in configuration/loaded modules are |
| 08:21.47 | nanok | s/but/boot |
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| 08:22.05 | BrianAnthony | eek |
| 08:22.30 | rixth | *Downloading 12mb of archives... report back soon* |
| 08:22.50 | BrianAnthony | damn |
| 08:22.56 | BrianAnthony | then I'll have to configure cdrecord |
| 08:23.04 | BrianAnthony | and I swear to god that program hates me =P |
| 08:23.10 | TML | rixth: Are you looking for desktop publishing software? |
| 08:23.33 | nanok | BrianAnthony: neah, it's easy, and friendly, once you get the hang of it ;) |
| 08:23.47 | BrianAnthony | but I had to go through alot of device configuration before |
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| 08:24.01 | BrianAnthony | I've heard slackware was a good distro |
| 08:24.28 | nanok | BrianAnthony: if you have come to debian, i suggest you stay here, it is a good choice |
| 08:24.29 | BrianAnthony | but I'm _really_ 10x's worse off with a distro that doens't have good package management like Debian |
| 08:24.31 | nanok | to say the least |
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| 08:24.58 | BrianAnthony | nanok: I used to use it like last year, and I had it for like 4 months, and I was completely inlove |
| 08:25.14 | nanok | BrianAnthony: i can relate to that :) |
| 08:25.14 | idnar | BrianAnthony: cdrecord hates everyone |
| 08:25.31 | idnar | BrianAnthony: or maybe that should be: cdrecord's author hates everyone |
| 08:25.39 | MrRagga | http://www.premiumink.com/penguin/penguin.pdf |
| 08:25.50 | BrianAnthony | nanok: I would love to stay with Debian, but I just want to be able to use it. |
| 08:26.05 | Borgon_ | peterS, is grub compatible with raid1? |
| 08:26.09 | BrianAnthony | Because everything I was told to do tonight was extremely beyond my knowledge =S |
| 08:26.42 | peterS | Borgon_: it should be fine with it. I'm not 100% sure how it behaves in terms of installing itself to both copies of a raid volume, but it'll at least boot normally for the *one* drive |
| 08:27.10 | nanok | BrianAnthony: youl learn, we all did/are ;) |
| 08:27.34 | broke_ | when I put in my memorystick, dmesg outputs this: |
| 08:27.34 | broke_ | sda: test WP failed, assume Write Protected |
| 08:27.35 | broke_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:27.44 | broke_ | shouldnt it just output one of them |
| 08:27.46 | broke_ | like |
| 08:27.48 | broke_ | sda: sda1 |
| 08:27.59 | BrianAnthony | I wonder where my mouse could be hiding =/ |
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| 08:28.34 | BrianAnthony | if I could just get X running I'd be the happiest person ever =P |
| 08:28.47 | BrianAnthony | becaus eI have like a shitload of programs to turn in for class |
| 08:28.59 | BrianAnthony | and I don't feel like using nano to write them all |
| 08:29.00 | BrianAnthony | lol |
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| 08:29.06 | nanok | BrianAnthony: come on, find a good mirror for a good livecd, knoppix or insert, latest release, and download |
| 08:29.26 | BrianAnthony | is knoppix a different distro? |
| 08:29.31 | streuner | BrianAnthony: you have some ATI videocard, right? |
| 08:29.35 | BrianAnthony | Yeah |
| 08:29.36 | nanok | BrianAnthony: yes, but it is based on debian |
| 08:29.39 | BrianAnthony | ATI Radeon 9550 |
| 08:29.46 | streuner | BrianAnthony: lets google for |
| 08:30.23 | nanok | streuner: it is not the video card that is the problem, it is the core pointer devices :/ |
| 08:30.51 | streuner | BrianAnthony: learn how to use 'usenet' (groups.google.com) |
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| 08:31.19 | jack|h | So in the Sarge installer, how can I tell it what kernel to go with? |
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| 08:31.33 | saerdna | linux26 = 2.6 |
| 08:31.59 | jack|h | saerdna: erm, no, i mean it's goign with a k7-smp kernel instead of an i386 or i686 one on my p3-M laptop. :) |
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| 08:32.05 | Krisso | is it possible to burn audio cds with linux if i got mp3 files? so the converting and burning is on the fly? any ideas? |
| 08:32.06 | streuner | BrianAnthony: what driver do you use? |
| 08:32.08 | el` | jack|h: When booting from the CD? you have to specify it at boot time |
| 08:32.19 | el` | boot 2.6.8 or something like that |
| 08:32.42 | el` | not sure how many kernels it has to choose from |
| 08:32.44 | BrianAnthony | ooh, I found a torrent for knoppix |
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| 08:33.25 | streuner | BrianAnthony: knoppiy doesn't solve all your problems, because it uses some 'dirty hacks'... |
| 08:33.36 | streuner | s/knoppiy/knoppix |
| 08:33.48 | saerdna | knoppix this and knoppix that |
| 08:33.56 | BrianAnthony | I just need to look at configuration |
| 08:33.58 | BrianAnthony | I htink |
| 08:33.59 | jack|h | el`: yeah, but i don't think it asked me about what kernel to use. |
| 08:34.03 | streuner | BrianAnthony: what driver do you use? |
| 08:34.03 | BrianAnthony | that's what nanok told me |
| 08:34.10 | BrianAnthony | I just a generic ati driver |
| 08:34.28 | el` | it doesn't you have to enter "help" or something... i forget |
| 08:34.30 | BrianAnthony | the ATI driver is a pain in the fscking ass =/ |
| 08:34.33 | streuner | BrianAnthony: what's with the ATI driver from their website? |
| 08:34.35 | BrianAnthony | the OEM driver that is |
| 08:34.43 | BrianAnthony | I dunno |
| 08:34.43 | el` | there are multiple options... but it doesnt list them at the boot prompt... theres something you enter to find them out |
| 08:34.59 | streuner | BrianAnthony: visit ati.com and download the driver |
| 08:35.17 | streuner | BrianAnthony: or /msg dpkg ati |
| 08:35.35 | el` | If you want a kernel that specific you should just install whatever kernel and then compile your own afterwards |
| 08:35.36 | streuner | BrianAnthony: sarge? |
| 08:35.41 | BrianAnthony | yeah |
| 08:35.44 | BrianAnthony | fglrx |
| 08:35.47 | BrianAnthony | is the driver |
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| 08:36.03 | BrianAnthony | but it's a pain to install and I'm not worried about video right now, I just want my mouse and keyboard |
| 08:36.07 | streuner | BrianAnthony: ok, just try the driver from ati itself |
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| 08:36.14 | BrianAnthony | what is the command to download a file with bittorrent? |
| 08:36.21 | BrianAnthony | ctdownloadcurses or something? |
| 08:36.30 | mr-ozguy | hi everyone |
| 08:36.31 | jm_ | bt.... |
| 08:36.37 | nanok | BrianAnthony: i have a hunch, try to change the plug and play os setting in your bios(set it to no, i think) |
| 08:36.39 | BrianAnthony | jm_: sorry, typo |
| 08:36.43 | superCow | I have a compiled module that I can load manually via insmod.. the module is a NIC driver.. I tried putting it in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/net and running depmod -a.. after reboot the NIC still had to be manually brought up using insmod.. |
| 08:36.48 | BrianAnthony | okay |
| 08:36.48 | Borgon_ | Can someone walk me through setting up raid1 for 2x80GB in the sarge install? |
| 08:36.49 | BrianAnthony | brb |
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| 08:37.11 | superCow | running Testing/Sarge.. |
| 08:37.21 | nanok | superCow: add the name of the module to /etc/modules |
| 08:38.12 | mr-ozguy | 1 quick question. i have a compaq proliant 1500 with raid. kernel-686 packages are the correct packages? |
| 08:38.12 | superCow | ok |
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| 08:38.32 | nanok | mr-ozguy: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 08:38.35 | superCow | but I thought the kernel should find the hardware and load the appropriate module using kmod? |
| 08:38.57 | jack|h | hrm |
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| 08:39.07 | jack|h | el`: i'm not seeing anything in the installer that indicates how to get at the other images |
| 08:39.09 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 08:40.09 | nanok | streuner: saerdna i thought i'll get flamed mentioning knoppix here. i really dont give a shit what ppl might think, it is a really good effort, no it is not debian, and it does not solve all you problems, but sometimes, one needs a live cd, and it is nice to have one as good at hand |
| 08:40.21 | nanok | so cut the crap, each problem with its solution |
| 08:40.23 | nanok | ;) |
| 08:41.03 | saerdna | i agree with the last sentence |
| 08:41.03 | Borgon_ | Can someone walk me through setting up raid1 for 2x80GB in the sarge install? Just tell me how to setup my partition tables ? |
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| 08:41.48 | BrianAnthony | nanok: no luck... |
| 08:41.54 | streuner | BrianAnthony: wb |
| 08:42.00 | kreg | what runs this? and do i really need to be running it? 111/tcp open rpcbind |
| 08:42.01 | BrianAnthony | I didn't even see a plug and play option |
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| 08:43.06 | clojster | where can I get latest GLIBC?? I havent found it in default repository...:( |
| 08:43.12 | nanok | BrianAnthony: aka pnp os |
| 08:43.13 | saerdna | nanok: seriously, what do you need a live cd for? |
| 08:43.14 | streuner | BrianAnthony: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#configure <.-- did you read this? |
| 08:43.50 | nanok | saerdna: i could make a list, but i am kinda busy right now ;) |
| 08:44.07 | saerdna | you could atleast use ubuntu :) |
| 08:44.23 | nanok | i am using debian. |
| 08:44.29 | streuner | BrianAnthony: no, because you wouldn't ask for a config file then... |
| 08:44.44 | BrianAnthony | streuner: actualy, I did read it |
| 08:44.46 | nanok | ubuntu is derived from morphix(the livecd), and it lacks many things |
| 08:44.51 | jack|h | meh, i'll give it another try. and if it don't work, i'll go into rescue mode and install the kernel manually |
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| 08:45.07 | streuner | BrianAnthony: Have you edited it with those entries yet? |
| 08:45.13 | BrianAnthony | I can't copy and paste so I couldn't copy their entries |
| 08:45.37 | BrianAnthony | and I wasn't gonna switch consoles back and forth all day with nano putting those entries in |
| 08:45.52 | streuner | BrianAnthony: you have fingers and a brain... |
| 08:46.24 | BrianAnthony | streuner: ... |
| 08:46.30 | BrianAnthony | When did I ask for a config file? |
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| 08:46.58 | nanok | BrianAnthony: try reading this : http://www.xfree.org/4.2.1/mouse.html |
| 08:47.05 | nanok | BrianAnthony: maybe it will help |
| 08:47.22 | streuner | BrianAnthony: <BrianAnthony> I just need to look at configuration - just 3-5 minutes ago |
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| 08:47.41 | jack|h | nooo, damn you debian, don't install that kernel! |
| 08:47.51 | Krisso | guys.. i want to use mpg123 -w to convert all files in one dir.. to their corresponding wavs. how can i do it with a "for" command in a script, that takes all mp3s from one dir, and passes them to mpg123 -> mp3? |
| 08:47.55 | BrianAnthony | streuner: but I wasn't saying what you thought I said |
| 08:48.04 | BrianAnthony | nanok told me to try to boot to a live cd |
| 08:48.11 | BrianAnthony | I'm not eaxactly clear on why |
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| 08:48.28 | BrianAnthony | I thought he said something about configuration |
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| 08:48.34 | zuulu | hello |
| 08:48.37 | nanok | BrianAnthony: just to see if it works (they tend to "just work" you know :) |
| 08:48.37 | zuulu | happy v-day |
| 08:48.43 | blowfish | hello |
| 08:48.53 | BrianAnthony | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.54 | streuner | BrianAnthony: anyway, just edit it with this entries |
| 08:48.54 | nanok | if it does, you have a good starting point to get your configuration right |
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| 08:49.12 | lord_rob | hi ! I still have non-us servers referenced in my sources.list. I'm using sid, are those servers still useful ? |
| 08:49.18 | Krisso | ups i disconnected accidently |
| 08:49.25 | Krisso | can anyone help? |
| 08:49.48 | Borgon | Krisso, you can copy all list to a file |
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| 08:50.23 | Krisso | Borgon, no i want as many wav as mp3 files |
| 08:50.33 | Krisso | and i want to write a shell scriptt |
| 08:50.43 | zuulu | hello, i have a debian linux with apache2, i need to show utf-8 in web pages, apache conf has AddCharset UTF-8 .utf-8 and all the other versions of utf-8 BUT web page does not show it correct. Is it possible that i need tu config linux for that, guess not but i am out of ideas |
| 08:51.20 | Borgon | Krisso, you want ot convert all files to mp3 |
| 08:51.26 | streuner | zuulu: try #apache |
| 08:51.39 | zuulu | ok |
| 08:51.41 | rixth | I was unable to find an app suitable for making brochures, for school projects etc |
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| 08:51.57 | nanok | rixth: scribus might do the trick |
| 08:52.00 | rixth | Can anyone help? It would be good if templat4s were available for the program too |
| 08:52.01 | BrianAnthony | I need a faster internet connection =/ |
| 08:52.02 | Krisso | Borgon, no to wavs. i want all mp3s in one dir to be converted to wav |
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| 08:52.04 | helix | zuulu: you need to have a utf8 locale generated |
| 08:52.08 | arapaho | lo * |
| 08:52.19 | lord_rob | rixth: LaTeX :) works for everything |
| 08:52.33 | helix | zuulu: what does 'locale' say? |
| 08:52.34 | zeeble | Krisso: mp3 to wav using mpg123? you'll also need something like sox, i think |
| 08:52.51 | Krisso | zeeble, no, mpg123 -w dest.wav source.mp3 is enough |
| 08:53.14 | kneet | rixth, what about scribus? I managed to get some templates from the scribus website for that too. |
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| 08:53.17 | zeeble | Krisso: i have a small script. could paste it to you. |
| 08:53.27 | BrianAnthony | streuner: another thing with that driver is I didn't really know where to put the entries. I'm really new at this, dude |
| 08:53.28 | Krisso | zeeble, nice. do a priv msg. |
| 08:53.37 | kevinz | hello.. su can access usb dc, but users can not, how to grant tjhe permission? |
| 08:53.52 | streuner | BrianAnthony: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:53.57 | BrianAnthony | I had full intentions to look at it later, and just get by with a generic driver |
| 08:54.03 | BrianAnthony | I know where that is |
| 08:54.10 | BrianAnthony | but I mean where in the file to place the entrie |
| 08:54.12 | rixth | I'll have a look at scribus, I didn't like Latex much sorry |
| 08:54.14 | BrianAnthony | entries, even |
| 08:54.22 | Borgon | Krisso, i dont know any bash... but you can do "for i in 'cat blah' ; ./mpg123 -w $i' this wont work but ive used the idea of echoing things in a file then copying it to ./blah $i |
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| 08:54.44 | BrianAnthony | I'm just gonna take a look at knoppix, it'll be done in like 15 minutes |
| 08:54.59 | streuner | BrianAnthony: hm, look at the entries which already exist, you have to (maybe) replace them. |
| 08:55.18 | nanok | BrianAnthony: meanwhile, cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI |
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| 08:55.37 | nanok | BrianAnthony: and tell us if it says anything relevant |
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| 08:56.25 | BrianAnthony | it says it cannot open the scsi driver |
| 08:56.36 | Borgon | Can someone walk me through setting up raid1 for 2x80GB in the sarge install? Just tell me how to setup my partition tables ? |
| 08:56.45 | nanok | BrianAnthony: modprobe sg |
| 08:56.47 | streuner | BrianAnthony: if you aren't able to edit a simple ASCII file debian isn't that what you need then |
| 08:56.59 | nanok | (allthough, it should work w/o it..?) |
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| 08:57.21 | BrianAnthony | streuner: damnit, dude. I just didn't want to fuck it up |
| 08:57.40 | SlicerDicer- | yehaw I like this mirror going at 600kb/sec hehe |
| 08:57.49 | zuulu | helix: locale sayes lang=posix |
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| 08:57.55 | streuner | BrianAnthony: no, the file doesn't work for you so what do you think you can fuck up then ;-) |
| 08:58.01 | nanok | BrianAnthony: sorry, modprobe sd_mod, i think |
| 08:58.08 | zuulu | helix: everything is posix exept lc_all |
| 08:58.11 | zuulu | that is empty |
| 08:58.33 | helix | zuulu: cat /etc/locale.gen -- does anything in there say anything about utf8? |
| 08:58.39 | BrianAnthony | both just brought me another command line |
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| 08:59.05 | nanok | BrianAnthony: try the cdrecord -scanbus thing again |
| 08:59.24 | zuulu | helix: nope |
| 08:59.38 | BrianAnthony | nanok: same |
| 08:59.41 | zuulu | just just ISO charset for en_US |
| 08:59.48 | helix | zuulu: ok, dpkg-reconfigure locales and pick something with utf8 :) |
| 08:59.49 | nanok | zuulu: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:00.00 | kevinz | how to give a user the permission to usb devices? |
| 09:00.06 | streuner | BrianAnthony: run 'modprobe ide-scsi |
| 09:00.15 | nanok | BrianAnthony: are you sure you have added dev=ATAPI on that command line? |
| 09:00.16 | peterS | I notice /etc/init.d/apache explicitly resets the locale to 'C' when starting apache |
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| 09:00.18 | zuulu | hmm, ok, i have no idea how to do that but i think there is materials in the internet |
| 09:00.22 | streuner | BrianAnthony: and use the SCSI-emulation instead |
| 09:00.54 | BrianAnthony | scsi emulation? |
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| 09:01.03 | BrianAnthony | nanok: yeah |
| 09:01.11 | directhex|work | zuulu, no idea how to do what? type "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as root |
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| 09:01.23 | zeeble | :) |
| 09:01.27 | nanok | BrianAnthony: as root? |
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| 09:01.36 | BrianAnthony | yes |
| 09:01.43 | streuner | BrianAnthony: ide-scsi emulate the IDE drive as a SCSI device |
| 09:02.13 | streuner | BrianAnthony: cdrecord -scanbus should show you some devices then |
| 09:02.17 | streuner | show* |
| 09:02.22 | zuulu | ok, but i have many pages in that server, will the others remain en_US ?? |
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| 09:03.01 | kevinz | how to give a user permission to hotplug devices.. |
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| 09:03.03 | Shookaa | www.peoplesprimary.com/FreedomIsntFree |
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| 09:03.09 | BrianAnthony | same |
| 09:03.13 | BrianAnthony | no devices shown |
| 09:03.15 | jk3 | how do i put init scripts in the S runlevel? update-rc.d refuses to |
| 09:03.25 | nanok | BrianAnthony: is your cdrw working and connected? like, dmesg | grep hd, eject? |
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| 09:03.29 | nanok | what do they say? |
| 09:03.39 | streuner | BrianAnthony: what kernel do you have installed (uname -a)? |
| 09:03.48 | BrianAnthony | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 09:04.10 | streuner | BrianAnthony: and modprobe ide-scsi says what? |
| 09:04.25 | nanok | streuner: to use scsi emulation you have to tell the module what device to attach to, afair, and he shouldnt need scsi emul, as he has a new kernel |
| 09:04.26 | directhex|work | gah, fucking GNAA troll >_< |
| 09:04.34 | BrianAnthony | streuner: nothing at all |
| 09:04.51 | streuner | BrianAnthony: so 'lsmod' shows you the module there? |
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| 09:05.11 | BrianAnthony | nanok: it brouht back information about the cdrw drive |
| 09:05.19 | peterS | zuulu: did you do the 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' thing as you were told? |
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| 09:05.52 | nanok | BrianAnthony: what did? |
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| 09:06.37 | BrianAnthony | nanok: dmesg | grep hd |
| 09:06.44 | streuner | BrianAnthony: that's a good sign, it indicats usually that the module was successfully loaded |
| 09:07.26 | nanok | BrianAnthony: what device is the cdrw attached to? |
| 09:07.31 | nanok | (hd?) |
| 09:07.45 | blowfish | is it wierd that i dont find php4-pear version 4.3.10-3 |
| 09:07.45 | BrianAnthony | I'm still getting the same errors from cdrecord |
| 09:07.47 | BrianAnthony | uhhh |
| 09:07.49 | BrianAnthony | hold on |
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| 09:07.58 | blowfish | no deb package |
| 09:08.04 | blowfish | only -2 and -4 |
| 09:08.14 | BrianAnthony | hdc, I think |
| 09:08.14 | ugexe | how do i set /usr/sbin/pppd so that people other then root can access it |
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| 09:09.02 | nanok | BrianAnthony: try cdrecord -atip dev=/dev/hdc (just a long shot, to test..) |
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| 09:09.23 | streuner | ugexe: you have to add those users to 'dialup' |
| 09:09.29 | streuner | ugexe: you have to add those users to 'dialup' group, IIRC |
| 09:09.56 | BrianAnthony | it gave alot of information |
| 09:10.14 | nanok | did it say anything about the cdrw unit? |
| 09:10.27 | nanok | anything that looks correct? |
| 09:10.34 | BrianAnthony | yeah |
| 09:10.38 | ugexe | streuner: there is no such group dialup.. am i suppose to create it? |
| 09:10.44 | nanok | BrianAnthony: ok, we'r in business than ;) |
| 09:11.00 | nanok | BrianAnthony: to write an *.isofile you do |
| 09:11.36 | nanok | cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc driveropts=burnfree speed=16 -v -eject the_iso_file.iso |
| 09:11.45 | streuner | ugexe: no idea, sorry. |
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| 09:11.50 | ciga | hi |
| 09:11.52 | nanok | (just an example, you get the point ;) |
| 09:12.37 | ciga | I configured postfix to listen on 192.168.0.154, but it listens on 127.0.0.1 only. I use sarge. what did i do wrong? |
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| 09:12.57 | streuner | dialout:x:20: |
| 09:13.01 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.21 | zuulu | do i need to restart linux for locale language changes to take effect ?? |
| 09:13.49 | peterS | streuner: I think you mean /exec -o getent group dialout |
| 09:13.51 | streuner | zuulu: have you restart the app itself? |
| 09:14.04 | zuulu | nope, how can i do it ? |
| 09:14.06 | peterS | zuulu: right, should just require restarting apache |
| 09:14.12 | zuulu | aha |
| 09:14.13 | zuulu | ok |
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| 09:14.18 | peterS | zuulu: well, re-log in as root *then* restart apache |
| 09:14.44 | zuulu | ok |
| 09:14.46 | zuulu | thankx |
| 09:14.58 | streuner | peterS: you wanna see the result? ;-) |
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| 09:16.05 | peterS | streuner: does 'getent group dialout' not work for you? |
| 09:16.16 | streuner | peterS: sure :-) |
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| 09:17.51 | sevenoak | is gcc 3.3.5 a 64 bit compiler? |
| 09:18.07 | BrianAnthony | it's burning |
| 09:18.39 | BrianAnthony | so what happens with knoppix |
| 09:18.48 | BrianAnthony | do I install it like Debian? |
| 09:18.52 | BrianAnthony | or is it different |
| 09:18.56 | streuner | !congratulate BrianAnthony |
| 09:18.57 | dpkg | Huzzah BrianAnthony, you did it! |
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| 09:19.04 | peterS | sevenoak: on 64-bit platforms it is |
| 09:19.22 | peterS | sevenoak: even gcc 2.7 was a 64-bit compiler on 64-bit platforms |
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| 09:19.46 | nanok | BrianAnthony: you just boot the cd, no need to install anything |
| 09:19.51 | BrianAnthony | okay |
| 09:19.52 | BrianAnthony | cool as hell |
| 09:19.59 | BrianAnthony | doe sit have X installed and everything? |
| 09:20.09 | BrianAnthony | 16 is reaaally slow =P |
| 09:20.23 | streuner | hm |
| 09:20.42 | nanok | BrianAnthony: yes, it does |
| 09:21.20 | sevenoak | mhmm, when i want to compile a avm fritz card driver it comes a phrase like: XXX is not a valid 32 bit base/index expression. as result: is that code for a 64 bitter system written? |
| 09:21.22 | zuulu | hmm, now i have ru_RU.UTF-8 UTF-8 in locales , i have relogged as root, restarted apache but still the page does not show |
| 09:21.39 | zuulu | and locale shows lang=POSIX |
| 09:22.22 | streuner | sevenoak: Fritz DSL card? |
| 09:22.25 | SlayerXP | sevenoak: it is a kernel driver? or one you've got from elsewhere? |
| 09:22.26 | directhex|work | sevenoak, you're not generating code for 64 bit platforms unless you're on a 64 bit platform or using a cross-compiler |
| 09:22.34 | sevenoak | fritz!pci 2.0 isdn |
| 09:22.45 | directhex|work | sevenoak, i have 64 bit debian and a 32 bit debian chroot. one of them has 64 bit gcc, one has 32 bit gcc. |
| 09:22.49 | streuner | sevenoak: those drivers are written for SuSE |
| 09:22.52 | sevenoak | i got it from the AVM.com ftp server |
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| 09:23.27 | sevenoak | streuner: yes, but the readme tells that i can compile the src for other distros |
| 09:23.34 | streuner | sevenoak: no idea if they ships those drivers for 64 or 32 systems |
| 09:23.40 | BrianAnthony | it burnt |
| 09:23.43 | BrianAnthony | shoul dI boot to it now? |
| 09:24.11 | el` | BrianAnthony: You could wait til the CD cools off, but I dont think that'll change anything =P |
| 09:24.14 | el` | heh |
| 09:24.20 | BrianAnthony | =P |
| 09:24.24 | streuner | sevenoak: do you use amd64? |
| 09:24.24 | BrianAnthony | then I geuss I'll be back |
| 09:24.27 | sevenoak | the point is, it allready runs. but after reinstalling the system from ground compiling the driver do not work |
| 09:24.28 | el` | ;) |
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| 09:24.49 | sevenoak | streuner: pIII |
| 09:24.50 | streuner | hm |
| 09:25.12 | sevenoak | can i post some errors? |
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| 09:25.28 | directhex|work | sevenoak, in #flood you can |
| 09:25.28 | streuner | sevenoak: why, the module should still exist there? |
| 09:25.32 | faxo | i m under windows, can i stay here? :) |
| 09:25.52 | streuner | faxo: if you don't troll ;-) |
| 09:25.54 | sevenoak | streuner: i format / :) |
| 09:26.17 | Borgon | Can someone walk me through setting up raid1 for 2x80GB in the sarge install? Just tell me how to setup my partition tables ? |
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| 09:26.49 | faxo | yes, what is the best linux distrib on earth ? :p |
| 09:27.01 | SlayerXP | Borgon: that's what we have the software RAID howto for. |
| 09:27.06 | directhex|work | faxo, that would be trolling. |
| 09:27.09 | R1ck | thats a mighty silly question faxo |
| 09:27.22 | faxo | =))) |
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| 09:28.07 | thd | How can I force xkb mousekeys function to stay on until the next time I press shift-numlock instead of timing out after a few minutes? |
| 09:28.24 | Borgon | SlayerXP, i checked it out and it didnt help me much |
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| 09:29.20 | ugexe | how do i change a file's group? |
| 09:29.29 | directhex|work | ugexe, chown |
| 09:29.30 | SlayerXP | Borgon: which bit doesn't you understand? |
| 09:29.35 | SlayerXP | don't you |
| 09:29.50 | directhex|work | sarge holds your hand through raid setup. |
| 09:29.52 | holy_cow | faxo, which part of france are you from? |
| 09:30.01 | directhex|work | there's a big button marked 'configure software raid' |
| 09:30.26 | Borgon | directhex|work, the problem is the partitioning |
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| 09:31.02 | Borgon | SlayerXP, I want to do raid1 ... i have 2x80GB both with free space... I dont see anywhere that tells me how to autopartition it or make it raid friendly |
| 09:31.03 | faxo | yes - i know its just up to your choice to answer :p |
| 09:31.34 | SlayerXP | Borgon: okay, read the software RAID HOWTO again, and this time don't skip the words. |
| 09:31.46 | carrett | hey, i tried opening volume control in gnome and it said it couldn't find any mixer elements and/or devices, even though i have /dev/mixer, oss emulation (using alsa), etc. so...any clues why it might be acting up? |
| 09:31.46 | Borgon | SlayerXP, for example i gotta get it to install to /, and set swaps... i dont know what to create in the sarge install |
| 09:31.58 | streuner | sevenoak: what did you change in your system? |
| 09:32.12 | streuner | sevenoak: you said it works before |
| 09:32.15 | Borgon | SlayerXP, i am reading.. they are doing everything from commandline which is different from the sarge installer |
| 09:32.22 | faxo | holy_cow, paris |
| 09:32.29 | holy_cow | faxo, cool |
| 09:32.36 | faxo | holy_cow, why ? |
| 09:32.37 | holy_cow | i had a dream the other night that i was in paris |
| 09:32.53 | holy_cow | *shrug* just curious, nothin more |
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| 09:33.52 | sevenoak | streuner: nothing changed! |
| 09:34.06 | sevenoak | streuner: found out, its maybe the wrong kernel-header |
| 09:34.10 | faxo | holy_cow, where are you from ? |
| 09:34.14 | streuner | sevenoak: uh |
| 09:34.30 | holy_cow | vancouver canada |
| 09:34.30 | sevenoak | streuner: i used kernel-headers-2.6.8-10 |
| 09:34.32 | takatumi_ | !test |
| 09:34.32 | dpkg | No, takatumi_, you're not online any more. |
| 09:34.49 | Caveman | anyone clear to help me with a small routing issue ? |
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| 09:35.04 | sevenoak | {standard input}:1236: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `push' |
| 09:35.04 | sevenoak | {standard input}:1380: Error: `1f(%rip)' is not a valid 32 bit base/index expression |
| 09:35.09 | sevenoak | ups, sry!! |
| 09:35.11 | streuner | routing issues are solved via interfaces... |
| 09:35.19 | streuner | in debian |
| 09:35.30 | Caveman | streuner: thanks.. I do know this. |
| 09:35.35 | Caveman | however thats not going to help here. |
| 09:35.39 | streuner | good |
| 09:35.47 | takatumi_ | Caveman: try firehol |
| 09:35.47 | Caveman | my problem is this.. |
| 09:35.56 | sevenoak | streuner: when i use kernel-headers-2.6.8-2, compiling runs, aber including with modprobe fails: wrong format |
| 09:36.03 | Caveman | I have a server connected to internet, its also got vpn server on it. |
| 09:36.19 | Caveman | now I have another box on local network that needs to be able to connect to vpn clients.. |
| 09:36.42 | Caveman | I have managed to get the routing to get the vpn client connecting to the other box. |
| 09:36.48 | Caveman | however I cant get packets going the otherway.. |
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| 09:37.31 | Caveman | also I dont need a firewall builder thanks. |
| 09:38.22 | Caveman | I can give the exact setup.. |
| 09:38.23 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 09:38.24 | ciga | anyone can tell me why postfix cannot bind to the address of eth0 in sarge for me? |
| 09:38.33 | Caveman | just dont which to spam the channel. |
| 09:38.38 | Caveman | which = wish |
| 09:38.43 | nullvoid | postfix - eth0??? |
| 09:38.59 | Caveman | nulltank: hey. |
| 09:39.00 | faxo | holy_cow, do you code? |
| 09:39.11 | takatumi_ | Caveman: try #vpn or #iptables or somesuch |
| 09:39.23 | holy_cow | well, i don't, i'm more of a designer type, wish i could tho |
| 09:39.34 | NoNeo | ciga, postfix looks for inet_interfaces in main.cf |
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| 09:39.44 | Caveman | takatumi: hmm but its not to do with iptables.. |
| 09:39.46 | NoNeo | ciga, #postfix :-) |
| 09:39.53 | Caveman | its more a standard routing thing.. |
| 09:40.10 | takatumi_ | Caveman: if you say so. |
| 09:40.25 | Caveman | lol.. |
| 09:40.35 | faxo | holy_cow, do you have some artwork ? |
| 09:40.39 | zuulu | helix: i have the utf-8 line in locale.gen now nut still no progress, i found that there is file locale.alias, i added utf-8 there to but still no luck, what could i be doing wrong ?? |
| 09:40.52 | ciga | NoNeo: yes, I know. |
| 09:41.10 | ciga | NoNeo: but everything is ok with postfix. |
| 09:41.15 | holy_cow | nothing online that i can show, heh, sorry i know it sounds evasive |
| 09:41.26 | faxo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:41.43 | mesk | h! |
| 09:42.27 | takatumi_ | zuulu: try http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html |
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| 09:43.15 | tarzeau | http://www.swanuk.org.uk/lovers%20who%20met%20at%20the%20sanctuary%20-%20released%20valentine's%20day%201.jpg |
| 09:43.40 | sevenoak | i have installed kernel 2.6.8-1-386, which kernel-headers are the right one: kernel-headers-2.6.8-10, kernel-headers-2.6.8-2, kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386? |
| 09:43.47 | takatumi_ | tarzeau: pr0n-get with anon-proxy don't get. |
| 09:43.58 | takatumi_ | s/get/gel |
| 09:44.11 | zeeble | wth is pr0n-get? |
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| 09:44.33 | takatumi_ | zeeble: imaginary package. |
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| 09:44.46 | zeeble | takatumi: ok. |
| 09:45.02 | Borgon | Can someone help me out with the partitions for 2x80GB to produce raid1? Make the first hda 2Gb swap, with raid and make the other hda2 80GB of raid? i dont see anywhere that discribe the process |
| 09:45.04 | directhex|work | imaginary? |
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| 09:46.02 | directhex|work | takatumi_, porn-get is sitting on http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ & works quite happily |
| 09:46.58 | takatumi_ | directhex|work: having trouble routing it through anon-proxy |
| 09:47.34 | directhex|work | takatumi, try harder! |
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| 09:47.52 | takatumi_ | directhex|work: I should ;) |
| 09:47.53 | mike__ | hihi, Debian packages have been uploaded to unstable, so you can just apt-get install tor if you are running sid. |
| 09:47.55 | mcmehl2 | i created a new kernel with raid-support in kernel (no module) but now i seems to be md_driver is loaded before scsi and so couldn't detect raid-arrays... |
| 09:47.56 | mike__ | For stable (woody) or testing add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: |
| 09:47.58 | mike__ | what should i do for sarge? |
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| 09:48.32 | zeeble | mike__: testing is sarge. |
| 09:48.55 | mike__ | zeeble: i know, it doesn't state what i should do for sarge |
| 09:49.10 | zeeble | mike__: sarge is'nt released. |
| 09:49.18 | zeeble | mike__: and there is no reason why it should. |
| 09:49.22 | mike__ | zeeble: huh? |
| 09:49.27 | mike__ | zeeble: im running sarge |
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| 09:50.06 | zeeble | mike__: if sarge is released, then why is woody called stable? |
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| 09:50.19 | zeeble | mike__: its not released till it has been labelled "stable" |
| 09:50.24 | mike__ | zeemble: woody is stable yes, i am running testing |
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| 09:50.28 | takatumi_ | directhex|work: had couple of complaints about the nvidia one-liner yesterday. |
| 09:50.29 | PerfDave | Sarge is available, but not released. |
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| 09:50.41 | mike__ | i am running sarge as testing |
| 09:50.48 | mike__ | i want to install package tor |
| 09:50.51 | zeeble | mike__: sure. then add the lines for "testing" |
| 09:50.54 | PhUrl | hi all, is there a lame in debian? |
| 09:50.57 | directhex|work | takatumi, anything specific? |
| 09:51.03 | zeeble | PhUrl: yes. |
| 09:51.08 | jk3 | hey, i'll realease sarge as stable if someone helps me. |
| 09:51.10 | rixth | Can someonw tell me if the Scribus site is down or if it is just me? www.scribus.net |
| 09:51.14 | directhex|work | !tell PhUrl about marillat |
| 09:51.15 | sevenoak | why do i cant find kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 anywhere? |
| 09:51.24 | takatumi_ | directhex|work: grep the logs of yesterday for Beboo |
| 09:51.25 | jk3 | my system boots into the maintenance mode |
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| 09:51.35 | directhex|work | takatumi_, i wasn't logging yesterday |
| 09:51.37 | jk3 | without reason. it all looks fine |
| 09:52.06 | takatumi_ | directhex|work: at work now, will let you know later. |
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| 09:52.33 | mike__ | zeeble: there is no package for testing on their page :'-( |
| 09:53.08 | zeeble | mike__: oh. |
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| 09:53.11 | takatumi_ | mike__: tried apt-cache search? |
| 09:53.16 | Borgon | Anyone help me with partition sizes/types for a 2x80GB raid1 install? |
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| 09:53.21 | mike__ | Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 09:53.43 | suncomet | something is taking all my memory, top doesn't show it, might it be firefox1.0 or gnome? i would look google, but not enought memory to start any browser, i think :/ |
| 09:53.47 | takatumi_ | mike__: I have it installed at home, forgot from which repo |
| 09:54.11 | takatumi_ | !info tor sid |
| 09:54.18 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.0.9.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 749 kB, Installed size: 1860 kB |
| 09:54.21 | jk3 | suncomet: install gmemusage |
| 09:54.28 | kneet | rixth, works4me |
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| 09:54.38 | mike__ | zeeble: http://freehaven.net/tor |
| 09:54.40 | Tony[] | agetty ttyS1: ioctl: Input/output error - this accompanies a "RESPAWNING TOO FAST" error on ttyS01 |
| 09:54.46 | zeeble | oh. the one that works like privoxy. |
| 09:54.54 | Tony[] | any ideas? |
| 09:55.05 | rixth | Thanks kneet |
| 09:55.12 | suncomet | jk3, ok, i look in to it, thanks |
| 09:55.27 | mike__ | zeeble: look on the download page... only packages for woody and sid.. no sarge :'-( |
| 09:55.42 | directhex|work | mike__, use the sid packages, ought to be fine |
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| 09:56.02 | jk3 | suncomet: it won't solve you problem, but you'll maybe see what's eating all that memory |
| 09:56.04 | PhUrl | ahh, the thing is, this tool, gnump3d has some hidden dependancies on that. |
| 09:56.10 | mike__ | directhex|work: i don't want to cross testing and unstable |
| 09:56.55 | mike__ | !info tor sarge |
| 09:57.06 | mike__ | :'-( |
| 09:57.46 | takatumi_ | mike__:grap the package from packages.debian.org and install it. |
| 09:57.53 | kneet | rixth, I ended up installing the following templates: http://www.scribus.org.uk/downloads/1.2/scribus-temp-all-1.2.tar.bz2 |
| 09:57.53 | suncomet | jk3, yep, i looked but there is only about 200mb used and i'm still missing about 400mb :( |
| 09:57.54 | takatumi_ | s/grap/grab |
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| 09:58.10 | mike__ | takatumi_: is there a sarge version there? |
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| 09:58.30 | takatumi_ | mike__: probably not. |
| 09:58.34 | zeeble | mike__: dude, i todl you already. just add the line it says for testing. |
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| 09:58.50 | zeeble | mike__: and i explained how testing is equivalent to sarge. |
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| 09:59.08 | zeeble | mike__: For stable (woody) or testing add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: <-- how much clearer can they be? |
| 09:59.52 | Athon_Solo | *bets they could add the lines for you and some people would still be confused |
| 09:59.57 | mike__ | zeeble: mate, it doesn't say anything for sarge |
| 10:00.02 | ferris | yeah, just set up my debian laptop... it is great... much better than Ubuntu |
| 10:00.08 | rixth | Scribus.net works now! |
| 10:00.43 | directhex|work | mike__, sarge == testing. |
| 10:00.49 | zeeble | mike__: listen. stable release is woody. the testing tree is called sarge. so when they say testing, they mean sarge. explicit instructions calling it sarge are not there on the page, because that release has not been made stable. |
| 10:00.50 | zeeble | jeez |
| 10:01.27 | takatumi_ | zeeble: probably tor is not available for sarge, hence his conifusion |
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| 10:01.45 | mike__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.55 | mike__ | stupid client |
| 10:02.00 | mike__ | thats what i mean |
| 10:02.45 | mike__ | zeeble: understand... |
| 10:02.48 | ferris | how do i download the latest kernel? |
| 10:03.09 | zeeble | mike__: ok. just add that line. and install it. |
| 10:03.09 | zeeble | cheers. |
| 10:03.17 | directhex|work | ferris, apt-get install kernel-image-foo. apt-cache search kernel-image to see what's available |
| 10:03.50 | mike__ | ferris: or u can recompile it yourself .. apt-cache search kernel-source |
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| 10:04.03 | directhex|work | and kernel-package |
| 10:04.23 | holy_cow | scribus is a terrific app |
| 10:04.35 | mike__ | zeeble: and would crossing stable with testing break anything? |
| 10:04.58 | zeeble | mike__: it might. but you are running testing. |
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| 10:05.18 | arapaho | mike__< there is only 4 pkgs in tor rep |
| 10:05.33 | arapaho | mike__< so add line to your source.list |
| 10:05.41 | arapaho | mike__< apt-get update |
| 10:05.46 | arapaho | mike__< apt-get install tor |
| 10:06.22 | arapaho | mike__< the biggest pbs you can experience is that deps for tor are not satisfied |
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| 10:06.34 | ferris | all i am getting are 386 kernels..... are there no 686 kernels? |
| 10:06.58 | directhex|work | ferris, yes, there are. |
| 10:06.59 | ferris | i ask this because ubuntu had 686 kernels... |
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| 10:07.06 | Tony[] | I'm getting agetty ttyS1: ioctl: Input/output error - this accompanies a ""T1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" error on ttyS01 ... where should I start looking to fix this? |
| 10:07.10 | mike__ | Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:07.19 | directhex|work | !info kernelimage-2.6.10-2-686 |
| 10:07.24 | directhex|work | bah |
| 10:07.26 | mike__ | arapaho: see? |
| 10:07.26 | directhex|work | !info kernelimage-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 10:07.28 | raghu | when i give print openoffice document from debian system it prints but fonts becomes garbled any idea why this happens? |
| 10:07.28 | Tony[] | ttyS1 even |
| 10:07.47 | joey_ | Has anyone configured shorewall on Debian? |
| 10:07.54 | sussudio | !irritate joey_ |
| 10:07.54 | dpkg | joey_: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
| 10:08.03 | directhex|work | !info kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 10:08.06 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-4 (sid), Packaged size: 15685 kB, Installed size: 45732 kB |
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| 10:08.15 | directhex|work | ferris, ^^ 686 kernels. |
| 10:08.21 | joey_ | it all works fine excpet the logging output is going to console instead of log file |
| 10:08.29 | raghu | joey_: yes i have done that |
| 10:08.47 | zeeble | mike__: http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor/pool/main/ <-- go there. download all the packages you want. |
| 10:08.50 | joey_ | raghu did you have a problem with logging going to every tty? |
| 10:09.06 | zeeble | mike__: tor. mixmaster. libevent. |
| 10:09.29 | raghu | no..i think RFC:9817 like that. |
| 10:09.40 | raghu | joey_: no..i think RFC:9817 like that. |
| 10:09.40 | SlayerXP | my house in norway is covered in pristine white snow |
| 10:10.00 | kneet | SlayerXP, lucky you - not been a good ski season down in Oslo |
| 10:10.01 | mike__ | zeeble: #flood for a sec |
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| 10:10.10 | SlayerXP | kneet: http://www.hinterlands.org/snow.jpg |
| 10:10.11 | raghu | when i give print openoffice document from debian system it prints but fonts becomes garbled when it prints any idea why this happens? |
| 10:10.15 | joey_ | another question, what's syntax for /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 10:10.16 | zeeble | mike__: k |
| 10:10.27 | joey_ | 3com nic driver is not getting load at boot |
| 10:10.28 | peterS | joey_: don't edit modules.conf, edit /etc/modutils/* |
| 10:10.42 | peterS | joey_: or edit /etc/modules and just add '3c59x' as a single line to it |
| 10:11.13 | joey_ | peterS there's modules.conf |
| 10:11.19 | joey_ | in /etc it's sarge |
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| 10:11.24 | peterS | joey_: yes. read the comments at the top of it. then don't modify it. |
| 10:11.47 | peterS | joey_: then do as I say and add a line to /etc/modules instead. trust me, it's much simpler that way |
| 10:11.55 | joey_ | peterS oki doki, was making sure |
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| 10:12.35 | peterS | joey_: if you really want to edit /etc/modutils/aliases or similar, read 'man modules.conf' for the syntax. but just loading modules unconditionally at boot time (/etc/modules) is easier. |
| 10:13.10 | joey_ | what's default version of kernel in sarge? |
| 10:13.15 | joey_ | 2.4.20 > |
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| 10:13.59 | joey_ | I installed woody and upgraded with apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade and 2.4.20 has not changed |
| 10:14.50 | ildegar | it doesn't change your kernel |
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| 10:15.17 | joey_ | it should upgrade to the version that comes with sarge I thought |
| 10:15.31 | zeeble | why would it change the kernel? |
| 10:15.34 | zeeble | :) |
| 10:15.57 | PerfDave | joey_: It'll upgrade all your installed packages to the versions in Sarge. If there's a kernel-image package with the same name, but a higher version, then it'll upgrade it. Otherwise it won't. |
| 10:16.06 | joey_ | peterS do you know any forums or mailing lists for debian ? |
| 10:16.21 | PerfDave | joey_: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 10:16.24 | peterS | joey_: http://lists.debian.org/, http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 10:16.31 | PerfDave | joey_: http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 10:16.31 | joey_ | thanks |
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| 10:18.53 | PerfDave | !debian fora is http://lists.debian.org/ http://www.debian-administration.org/ http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianplanet.org/ |
| 10:18.53 | dpkg | PerfDave: okay |
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| 10:19.07 | Garp | hi. |
| 10:19.48 | mcmehl2 | my md(raiddriver) is loaded before scsi so cann't detect the volumes. where i set? i use initrd |
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| 10:21.10 | DOCS1S | how do i get vncserver to load the desktop the same way it loads at the console? i executed the following command (vncserver -geometry 800x600 -depth 16 :4), but only receive a bash shell within X when connecting... |
| 10:21.29 | Garp | Question: If I cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr, I read "3575 0 44085". I dont understand this middle "0", man proc says this should be the number of free hadlers, no ? Why zero, then ? Thanks. |
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| 10:23.30 | herbi | Garp, the man page also says only be worried when the number of free handles is LARGE :) |
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| 10:23.43 | herbi | as far as my maths knowledge goes, 0 is not all that large. |
| 10:23.56 | Garp | herbi: But can it be always zero ? |
| 10:24.14 | Garp | herbi: It's the first itme I see this |
| 10:24.25 | herbi | im not sure garp. I agree it is slightly confusing, and I'm not altogether sure the reasoning behind it, but it doesnt appear to be something worth fretting over, |
| 10:24.29 | Garp | maybe there's a differecen between 2.4 and 2.6 on this ? |
| 10:24.46 | herbi | could be...it would be cool if you emailed Linus and asked :) |
| 10:25.02 | herbi | actually that would be irritating, but i still want to email linus :P |
| 10:25.03 | Garp | herbi: I believe he has more intersting things to do ;=) |
| 10:25.29 | herbi | yeah he probably does... i wish i had a wife ..or even a girlfriend... :( stupid valentines day |
| 10:26.03 | Garp | herbi : the day you have coded a driver, maybe ;=) And he'll reply "your code is not good enough to be integrated in the kernel"... |
| 10:26.27 | herbi | hahaha |
| 10:26.37 | herbi | what an honour :P |
| 10:27.02 | Garp | herbi : sorry for Valentine day, that's sad... Be being awakened at 6 by our child is not *that* funny either ;=) |
| 10:27.12 | zeeble | heh. |
| 10:27.33 | Garp | herbi : use well your free time while you have! |
| 10:27.45 | herbi | Garp, i try and make the most of my days :) |
| 10:27.53 | Garp | (do you think I can code aeach night 'till 3am now? hehe...) |
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| 10:32.53 | holy_cow | Garp, can you even stay awake until that time now? |
| 10:32.54 | holy_cow | :) |
| 10:32.55 | joey_ | I installed debian on a seperate partion and added entry to fstab after intall to mount old /home/ with reiserfs. Now, when I login it doesn't not allow me to write. Isn't -o rw by default if you don't include it? |
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| 10:34.01 | Garp | holy_cow: no, you're right. |
| 10:34.38 | joey_ | it's showing $HOME is mounted with rw |
| 10:34.46 | joey_ | but I can't write anything to the fs |
| 10:35.06 | Garp | joey_ : sorry I never used reiserfs... |
| 10:35.17 | herbi | joey_, are you sure you don't have two /home partitions mounted? |
| 10:35.20 | joey_ | /dev/hda4 on /home/joey type reiserfs (rw,noatime) |
| 10:35.35 | joey_ | mount shows only one |
| 10:35.48 | cahoot | joey_: check that the uid is correct |
| 10:35.50 | herbi | how many /home entries do you have in fstab? |
| 10:35.51 | daxxar | uhr. my box just decided that /dev/hda1 was a read-only blockdevice. |
| 10:35.51 | daxxar | wtf |
| 10:35.52 | daxxar | :P |
| 10:35.56 | joey_ | yeah only one |
| 10:36.03 | daxxar | (while it was on) |
| 10:36.10 | joey_ | cahoot uid on what? |
| 10:36.23 | cahoot | joey_: check that the uid is correct on /home/user |
| 10:36.30 | herbi | joey_, on the directory youre trying to write. |
| 10:36.45 | Garp | joey_: can you write as root ? |
| 10:36.49 | joey_ | how do I check it and how do I know which uid is correct? |
| 10:37.04 | joey_ | I can write as root to / yes |
| 10:37.15 | herbi | joey_, ls -l <dir> |
| 10:37.17 | Garp | joey_ : and to /home ? |
| 10:37.18 | joey_ | and to $HOME |
| 10:37.19 | cahoot | joey_: id as user |
| 10:37.23 | [Outlaw] | Hey guys, I'm trying to compile my kernel (2.6.10) with make-kpkg, and I'm getting this error. Anyone know what causes it? make: *** No rule to make target `conf.vars', needed by `stamp-configure'. Stop. |
| 10:37.31 | herbi | what user does the directory belong to |
| 10:37.31 | Garp | joey_ : So it's likely an ID problem, right |
| 10:37.52 | joey_ | ownership is root root |
| 10:38.01 | herbi | [Outlaw], have you done a make config or make menuconfig or make xconfig or whatever? |
| 10:38.05 | Garp | joey_ : of the files? Users files ? |
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| 10:38.15 | joey_ | Garp: of joey directory |
| 10:38.17 | peterS | [Outlaw]: I think that *might* be a known bug with kernel-package. check the BTS. |
| 10:38.21 | Garp | joey_: Simple fix would be chown -R user:user /home/user |
| 10:38.21 | joey_ | in /home/joey |
| 10:38.26 | joey_ | when running ls -l /home |
| 10:38.27 | cahoot | joey_: how did you copy? |
| 10:38.36 | joey_ | ouch |
| 10:38.46 | joey_ | I didn't change any permission and didn't do any backups |
| 10:38.58 | joey_ | why is it changed damn it |
| 10:39.04 | Garp | joey_ : If you just 'cp' as root, that's what you get |
| 10:39.05 | herbi | joey_, yeah you just mounted it incorrectly, thats all. calm |
| 10:39.07 | agenteo | I've forgotten the command to change the default xterm or text browser in debian... |
| 10:39.23 | agenteo | someone knows? |
| 10:39.24 | joey_ | cahoot I didn't touch it, I just left primary partion and installed sarge on the first one |
| 10:39.34 | herbi | you just need to fix the permissions up. both chown and chgrp have recursive option, so youll be fine. |
| 10:39.39 | drac | agenteo: update-alternatives ? |
| 10:39.58 | Garp | joey_ : what are the mount options in /etc/fstab ? |
| 10:40.06 | joey_ | noatime |
| 10:40.14 | joey_ | for /home/joey |
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| 10:40.25 | agenteo | drac: yeah thanks |
| 10:40.32 | [Outlaw] | peterS: Thanks. Certainly seems to be. You think a downgrade would fix it? |
| 10:40.46 | Garp | joey_ : there can be 2 reasons: one is that you put root as owner iof all your files (strange) the other would be that you mounted the volume with some option to make every files to apperas as root. |
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| 10:40.50 | joey_ | Garp /dev/hda4 /home/joey reiserfs noatime 0 2 |
| 10:40.51 | joey_ | Garp /dev/hda4 /home/joey reiserfs noatime 0 1 |
| 10:40.51 | peterS | [Outlaw]: check the BTS. I think it's been reported already. it might just be an issue with newish kernels |
| 10:41.17 | [Outlaw] | Mm, says it's resolved |
| 10:41.21 | herbi | joey_, man mount, go to the reiserfs section, see what options you can use. it might have one like vfat, where you can specify what user the files belong to on mounting |
| 10:41.49 | agenteo | drac: and I remember about a directory with all the entries I should use with update-alternatives... do you know what is it? |
| 10:41.56 | joey_ | that's how I always mounted /home/$USER in /etc/fstab for reiserfs |
| 10:42.11 | herbi | then change the permissions as root. |
| 10:42.23 | herbi | chown -R joey /home/joey ; chgrp -R joey /home/joey |
| 10:42.26 | agenteo | found /etc/alternatives |
| 10:42.26 | peterS | [Outlaw]: it should say what version fixes the bug, or what the deal is. you can upgrade to that version, unless it's still in the process of migrating to unstable |
| 10:42.30 | joey_ | and never encoutered problems till today |
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| 10:42.49 | joey_ | herbi you are swaying from mount, to chgrp to mount pages etc |
| 10:43.07 | joey_ | I didn't touch anything on the fs |
| 10:43.19 | joey_ | no backups/copies etc |
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| 10:43.56 | joey_ | nope |
| 10:44.28 | joey_ | could it be due different version of reiserfs ? |
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| 10:44.52 | herbi | joey_, im swinging for YOUR benefit. i could have given you one option, or NO options, and be done with it. |
| 10:45.11 | Garp | joey_ : try to change ownership on *one* file (even a newly created one, like # touch /home/foo; chown joey:joey /home/foo |
| 10:45.39 | joey_ | oki doki, I'd leave shown -R as last resort |
| 10:45.40 | Garp | joey_ : see if the command has been acknowledged |
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| 10:46.30 | Garp | joey_ : if it does work, unmount/remount to see if it's *still* correct. |
| 10:47.32 | Garp | if either it does not work directly or after a remount, your problem is with mount optios , if it works even after a remount, then likely the solution is a chown |
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| 10:48.08 | [Outlaw] | peterS: Just upgraded. Seems to be find :> |
| 10:48.10 | [Outlaw] | fine* |
| 10:48.18 | peterS | [Outlaw]: good deal |
| 10:48.39 | agenteo | bye |
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| 10:49.19 | Chameleon22 | hi all |
| 10:49.19 | Chameleon22 | i am about to dump windows and pop sid on this box (netinstall) so I need to know what pakages besides gnome i will need to get X (Gnome going) |
| 10:49.55 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: Why sid? |
| 10:50.01 | joey_ | Garp Changed ownership to joey:joey on a file on /home/joey , loged in as joey permsiion is 644 ownership is joey:joey and it's not letting to remove the file |
| 10:50.25 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: my workstation |
| 10:50.35 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: why? |
| 10:50.40 | Garp | joey_: can you unmount and remount your /home ? |
| 10:50.46 | joey_ | I could have wipe the fs and recreated if it wasn't full of data |
| 10:50.57 | joey_ | yeah i can |
| 10:51.22 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: Because Sid breaks, and breaks hard when it does. If you're not a Debian guru or developer, I'd stick with Sarge. It still has shiny applications. |
| 10:51.45 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: i been running sid for a year now on my server box ;) |
| 10:51.52 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: You're a fucking idiot. |
| 10:52.05 | Garp | joey_ : is the ownership of that file keeped through this operation? (umount/mount) ? |
| 10:52.13 | PerfDave | !tell Chameleon22 -about sid faq |
| 10:52.19 | joey_ | yes |
| 10:52.32 | joey_ | mount/unmount , removing the file with ownership |
| 10:52.34 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: wtf are you on about, i been using debian for years |
| 10:52.37 | Garp | joey_ : hum, then likely the chown is the solution. |
| 10:52.50 | joey_ | still can't , I think reiserfs versions are inncommpatible |
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| 10:53.00 | Garp | joey_ : try to *modify* the file as user. you cant remove it because the directory belong to root |
| 10:53.16 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: You're still a fucking idiot. |
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| 10:53.22 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: i appreciate the advice, thank you. But i do know what i am doing so yeah, just didnt run X for a while so dont remember all the libs thats all |
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| 10:53.26 | cahoot | joey_: if you have room - make a thorough backup |
| 10:53.30 | joey_ | Garp I just told chown to joey:joey on a sample file didn't fix the problme |
| 10:53.33 | Garp | (removing imply writing in the directory table and you cant do that) |
| 10:53.47 | joey_ | No room , unfortunatel |
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| 10:54.05 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: fuck off you retard you didnt answer a question and redirected me to something totaly different from what i already asked and then insult me. Go blow a cow or something you unemployed bum |
| 10:54.11 | joey_ | it's easy to install another distro on hda1 than backing up or moving $HOME elsewhere |
| 10:54.13 | Garp | joey_ : how much is your partition full ? more than 99% ? |
| 10:54.20 | joey_ | no |
| 10:54.23 | Garp | OK. |
| 10:54.34 | joey_ | 85% |
| 10:54.38 | Garp | joey_ : so, can you modifuy the file as user ? |
| 10:54.45 | joey_ | no |
| 10:54.49 | joey_ | damn it;) |
| 10:54.57 | Garp | it says "permission denioed ? |
| 10:54.58 | gilles_ | Is there a package i can install to configure the touchpad of my laptop ? |
| 10:55.11 | joey_ | I can't modify the file with ownership set as $USER:$USER |
| 10:55.16 | joey_ | on this file |
| 10:55.22 | joey_ | yes |
| 10:55.35 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: PS. next time when you dont know the answer dont try to answer just to appear smart, it doesnt suit you |
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| 10:56.02 | Garp | can you chown /home/user ? |
| 10:56.09 | Garp | (the directory) |
| 10:56.16 | Garp | and try again ? |
| 10:56.17 | joey_ | why? |
| 10:56.29 | joey_ | if it didn't help on a sample file |
| 10:56.39 | Garp | I can ask you if you have rx there |
| 10:56.43 | joey_ | why would I want to do something silly on my $HOME wichi is full of data |
| 10:57.04 | Garp | joey_ : I fist asked you to do it on /home/foo ;=) |
| 10:57.04 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: Thanks, but I know the answer. I told you what you needed to know, not what you asked. |
| 10:57.04 | joey_ | I didn't touch anything on the fs |
| 10:57.14 | joey_ | just umounted, installed sarge and mounted the fs again |
| 10:57.30 | Garp | joey_ : so maybe I cant help you more, sorry |
| 10:57.34 | joey_ | Garp I guess you've run out of ideas:) |
| 10:57.44 | joey_ | I think it's to do with reiserfs versions |
| 10:57.51 | Garp | joey_ : out of knowledge |
| 10:58.06 | joey_ | oh well |
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| 10:58.17 | joey_ | I'd get my old distro back |
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| 10:58.22 | Garp | GARP error 1: Out of Knownledge; coredump. |
| 10:58.23 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: you are a retard |
| 10:58.27 | joey_ | on hda1 and hda2 |
| 10:59.28 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: Well, that's not a very productive attitude, is it? |
| 10:59.41 | Garp | gotta go. |
| 10:59.44 | Garp | bebye |
| 10:59.49 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: what wasn't productive is insulting me |
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| 11:00.18 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: I wasn't insulting you, I was stating a fact. And giving you the information you needed at the same time. Then you launched into a meaningless tirade. But, y'know, I really don't care. Run along now. |
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| 11:01.17 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: what i needed to know was in a question, not what branch to use which i specified very clearly so fact remains you try to act smart where in reality you are a retard |
| 11:01.43 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: No, that was what you asked, what you needed to know ;) |
| 11:02.03 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: Calling me a retard isn't going to get an answer to your question. You should have worked this out by now. |
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| 11:02.10 | usr101 | where can i find my usb2.0 netgear wifi? |
| 11:02.13 | St0n3-C0l | from where do i get GMPlayer ?? |
| 11:02.14 | usr101 | in dev/ |
| 11:02.20 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: oh just go away you insignificant little man ... my question was already answered |
| 11:02.34 | peterS | Chameleon22: you should taunt him a second time |
| 11:02.36 | PerfDave | St0n3-C0l: /msg dpkg mplayer, probably has the same files. |
| 11:03.01 | PerfDave | peterS: Your mother was a hamster, and your father reeked of elderberries! |
| 11:03.07 | Chameleon22 | peterS: eh? |
| 11:03.28 | peterS | Chameleon22: PerfDave got it |
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| 11:04.26 | Chameleon22 | peterS: heh thats cool |
| 11:05.04 | PerfDave | streuner: You can't guess? ;) |
| 11:05.25 | SlayerXP | mispelling of 'Perp' :) |
| 11:05.40 | St0n3-C0l | PerfDave: Not getting it :P |
| 11:05.55 | Chameleon22 | i got few ideas |
| 11:05.58 | Chameleon22 | lol |
| 11:06.06 | Chameleon22 | but i was told not to taunt you |
| 11:06.06 | drac | !lol |
| 11:06.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, lol is Loser On Line, good work drac, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 11:06.19 | Chameleon22 | bah |
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| 11:07.13 | usr101 | does any1 kno how i can locate my wifi network netgear through 1 of those little usb2.0 dongles |
| 11:07.28 | PerfDave | St0n3-C0l: Hmm, it seems that gmplayer isn't part of marillat, unless the gmplayer binary is part of marillat's mplayer packages. |
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| 11:07.39 | usr101 | i cant acess the net through it only the onboard eth works |
| 11:07.56 | incorrect | does anyone know of a debian live CD that allows you to install by debootstrap? |
| 11:08.27 | PerfDave | incorrect: There are no Debian live CDs. I believe you can install Debian proper from a Knoppix CD, since Knoppix has debootstrap. |
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| 11:09.09 | gilles_ | why nheads can't be downloaded to configure the touchpad ? |
| 11:09.18 | gilles_ | with aptitude i mean |
| 11:09.19 | usn | good morning |
| 11:09.29 | gilles_ | (on debian testing) |
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| 11:11.15 | gypsymauro | hello, there is way to keep in only one place every deb downloaded from other machines in my network? I saw apt-proxy but isn't available for sarge, something else? |
| 11:11.16 | St0n3-C0l | PerfDave: I am doing with "./configure --enable-gui --enable-menu" |
| 11:11.22 | St0n3-C0l | is that right ? |
| 11:11.54 | PerfDave | St0n3-C0l: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
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| 11:12.16 | directhex|work | gypsymauro, nfs mounts! |
| 11:12.36 | PerfDave | gypsymauro: I can't remember why apt-proxy isn't in Sarge, but the version from Sid is pretty buggy. You could try forward-porting the Woody version maybe, it's probably the best solution for what you're doing. |
| 11:13.09 | gypsymauro | PerfDave: oh so I've it in sid and in woody and not in sarge?:) great |
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| 11:14.03 | xogon | i'm confused here about where to put a command i want to run every time X starts. /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc seems to be ignored |
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| 11:15.45 | ildegar | it's .xinitrc |
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| 11:16.14 | PerfDave | incorrect: Only in your home directory. |
| 11:16.29 | ildegar | aa |
| 11:16.29 | xogon | i'm using gdm, and that gets ignored for some session types |
| 11:16.30 | minios | Hi, I have a Debian server, I havn't touched it in over a year, however I cannot recall where I saved my firewall ruleset which runs on boot, could anyone please advise as to how I could source where the ruleset is comming from? |
| 11:16.42 | mufa | minios: /var/lib/iptables/ |
| 11:16.46 | xogon | i want these commands to ALWAYS run when X runs |
| 11:16.53 | xogon | even before login |
| 11:17.22 | minios | mufa: it's not there |
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| 11:18.22 | mufa | minios: grep /etc/init.d/iptables for libdir |
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| 11:19.06 | mcmehl | i have compiled a new kernel with raid-support included (not as module) but now the md-driver is loaded before scsi is and so the md couldn't find any arrays... how to solve? |
| 11:19.39 | PerfDave | minios: You'll be wanting to do an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade to install security patches, and upgrade your kernel ;) |
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| 11:20.23 | minios | Well, the pc has been here idling for the past year, an i'm yet to have any security problems |
| 11:20.29 | St0n3-C0l | PerfDave: What to type in apt-get to get GTK Devel files ? |
| 11:20.37 | minios | but yeah, i'll update it :) |
| 11:20.49 | minios | mufa: iptables dosn't reside there either |
| 11:21.05 | minios | mufa: it was a custom file at the time, so it wouldn't be named iptables |
| 11:21.10 | mufa | minios: are you sure you have a debian ? |
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| 11:21.13 | PerfDave | St0n3-C0l: I'm guessing you want libgtk2.0-dev, but I have no idea since I'm not a gnome / gtk user. |
| 11:21.20 | incorrect | has 3.6 of the reiserfs progs not been back ported? |
| 11:21.29 | PerfDave | minios: If it's a custom file, how is it loaded? |
| 11:21.57 | PerfDave | minios: Check /etc/network/interfaces to see if it's called from there when the interfaces are raised? |
| 11:22.10 | minios | well i thought maybe from rcs.D |
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| 11:22.51 | minios | PerfDave: nope, just assigned dhcp and ip address there |
| 11:23.04 | St0n3-C0l | thanks |
| 11:23.14 | PerfDave | minios: Have a look through /etc/init.d/ and see if there's anything useful in there? |
| 11:23.38 | mufa | I have a linux router with 3 network interfaces (one for internal network and 2 for 2 internet links). How could I mark all packets that goes through one of that 2 external nics? |
| 11:23.41 | minios | well that's the problem, i've checked through every directory and i've had no luck so far |
| 11:24.38 | PerfDave | !tell mufa about lartc |
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| 11:27.02 | minios | PerfDave: anymore suggestions, or know of an appropriate channel or forum to ask in? |
| 11:27.36 | PerfDave | minios: 'fraid not. If you're using some third-party file loaded in some nonstandard way, you may be SOL. |
| 11:27.57 | minios | i'm afraid that might have been the case |
| 11:28.38 | minios | it's the only thing I didn't document either |
| 11:29.39 | gilles_ | i have installed xgree86-driver-synaptics and ksynaptics to be able to configure my touchpad, i to run ksynaptics ? (i can't find it in the terminal) |
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| 11:30.47 | PerfDave | gilles_: It looks like ksynaptics adds a configuration thing to the Control Center. |
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| 11:32.03 | gilles_ | PerfDave: i use gnome, not kde |
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| 11:32.50 | PerfDave | gilles_: Well, ksynaptics is a KDE application. |
| 11:33.12 | PerfDave | gilles_: Can you run kcontrol from within Gnome? |
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| 11:35.34 | directhex|work | PerfDave, _I_ can run kcontrol from wherevr i feel like. |
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| 11:36.09 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Even the CLI? |
| 11:37.01 | directhex|work | PerfDave, with ssh -X, sure |
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| 11:37.33 | PerfDave | directhex|work: With no X server? ;p |
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| 11:37.55 | directhex|work | PerfDave, xserver-aalib! |
| 11:38.07 | PerfDave | directhex|work: I bet you can't run it from an amber-screen VT100 terminal connected over a serial line to a PDP-11. |
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| 11:38.50 | directhex|work | PerfDave, my pdp-11 is at the dry cleaner's |
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| 11:43.42 | mustard_ | is there a prog that can tell you the character encoding of a given file? |
| 11:43.52 | mustard_ | apart from "file" which guesses too much |
| 11:44.06 | peterS | mustard_: it's not possible in general |
| 11:44.31 | peterS | mustard_: some encodings, like utf-8, are easy enough to recognise, but many can't be distinguished without some sort of intelligence about the likely contents of the file |
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| 11:45.30 | mustard_ | ic |
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| 11:45.48 | doojin | hi |
| 11:45.53 | doojin | Anyone who installed lmule? |
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| 11:46.08 | jm_ | there's some tool on freshmeat that tries to guess the encoding, not sure how good it is |
| 11:46.11 | mutek | hi - anyone know how to get xdosemu to use uk keyboard layout? |
| 11:46.28 | MoRLoCh | hello, using woody and postfix + postfix-tls... in mail.log I get this: postfix/qmgr[315]: warning: premature end-of-input from private/smtp socket while reading input attribute name |
| 11:46.56 | CarlosAlex | So |
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| 11:47.13 | MoRLoCh | what does it mean? It seems the daemon sigsegvs |
| 11:47.14 | CarlosAlex | I installed HP692C, but it doesnt print nothing, what to do ???? |
| 11:47.14 | Ives | yo, I'm newbie to linux. I want to find a string (actually a function name) in some source code within a collection of directories. Its php code. Is there an easy way to do this? |
| 11:47.34 | SlayerXP | Ives: grep |
| 11:47.42 | Ives | grep? |
| 11:47.48 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 11:47.51 | Ives | aha grep |
| 11:47.55 | SlayerXP | as in "man grep" |
| 11:48.04 | Ives | SlayerXP: just done that |
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| 11:48.10 | SlayerXP | and then look for "recurse" |
| 11:48.16 | Ives | hence the aha (did you see the light bulb too) |
| 11:48.27 | DaFresh | 'llo all, is thare a "debian way" ton install php5 on sarge ? |
| 11:48.30 | Ives | SlayerXP: thanks |
| 11:48.41 | DaFresh | i dont want to compil it ... |
| 11:49.00 | PerfDave | DaFresh: http://www.apt-get.org/ may have unofficial repositories. |
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| 11:49.33 | DaFresh | PerfDave: does the uninstall is clean if i need to do it ? |
| 11:49.47 | sussudio | !confuse DaFresh |
| 11:49.49 | dpkg | No, where is your bacon yesterday, DaFresh? shirts of the democracy of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 11:49.55 | PerfDave | DaFresh: No idea. Depends on how well the deb is packaged ;) |
| 11:50.21 | DaFresh | sussudio: sry for my english |
| 11:50.25 | xogon | how do i include a custom command to run every time update-menus gets run? |
| 11:50.30 | sussudio | DaFresh: blaireau |
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| 11:50.39 | DaFresh | sussudio: asshole |
| 11:50.43 | DaFresh | sussudio: :p |
| 11:50.56 | sussudio | !fuck DaFresh |
| 11:51.05 | DaFresh | sussudio: hahaha nice :) |
| 11:51.31 | DaFresh | !kiss sussudio |
| 11:51.50 | DaFresh | what is the "neck" ? |
| 11:51.53 | xogon | basically fbpanel is lame in that it must be manually restarted every time a menu update is done. i want to automate it. don't see anything in /etc/menu-methods where i could put a script |
| 11:51.56 | sussudio | !french kiss DaFresh |
| 11:53.36 | DaFresh | sussudio: ok, you win |
| 11:53.38 | raghu | !apt-proxy |
| 11:53.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. Watch out for the upcoming 1.3.0 version which supports http backends too |
| 11:54.05 | PerfDave | !info apt-proxy woody |
| 11:54.07 | dpkg | apt-proxy: (Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.3.0 (woody), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 85 kB |
| 11:54.11 | sussudio | !win me |
| 11:54.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, sussudio! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 11:54.13 | PerfDave | I think that factoid is a little out of date ;) |
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| 11:54.46 | directhex|work | PerfDave, most of them are |
| 11:54.54 | directhex|work | !tell PerfDave about overfiendsphallus |
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| 11:55.31 | CarlosAlex | I installed HP692C, but it doesnt print nothing, what to do ???? |
| 11:57.39 | stego | What do people think of using an external USB HD as a backup solution? And is it recommended to backup the entire / fs, or just /home? |
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| 11:59.20 | brrrt | hello all |
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| 11:59.56 | brrrt | has anyone experience with running a plain 32bit woody on a athlon 64 machine? |
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| 12:00.17 | NetUser_1 | hello to everyone. I've installed 3.0 r1. Will the 2 update 3.0 r4 update my system or do I have to download the whole package? |
| 12:00.24 | jm_ | brrrt: it should just work |
| 12:00.36 | PerfDave | NetUser_1: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say. |
| 12:00.38 | jm_ | NetUser_1: you can use apt-get to update it over the net |
| 12:00.52 | possie | anyone ever got debian installed with a "Galileo Technology" raid/sata controller? ive looked everywhere but i can't find a driver for this controller anyone has a clue what i could try? |
| 12:01.37 | brrrt | jm_: even if there is running a debian amd64 now (its a machine where i have only remote access) |
| 12:01.42 | SlayerXP | possie: "lspci" might give you some clues as to the chipset |
| 12:01.47 | NetUser_1 | I mean the 2 update cd (3.0 release 4).Can I use them cause I can make it work with me Ati Radeon 9250 on 3.0 release, so I thought that maybe the 4th release could fix that. |
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| 12:02.10 | Rawplayer | http://www.warriorsofthe.net/movie.html best movie of the net! |
| 12:02.15 | jm_ | brrrt: yes, it's fully compatible with 32bit x86 - do you want to reinstall it or what? |
| 12:02.29 | possie | SlayerXP: well thats where i got "Galileo Technology" from also pci dev 11ab:6041 but googling on this doesn't get much results |
| 12:02.42 | PerfDave | NetUser_1: You can update your 3.0r1 to 3.0r4 using update CDs, yes. But the updates only contain security fixes, not new features, so if your Radeon doesn't work with 3.0r1 it's unlikely to work with 3.0r4. |
| 12:02.50 | SlayerXP | possie: did you check it was linux compatible before you bought it? |
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| 12:02.54 | brrrt | jm_: yes i would like to reinstall (problems with 32 bit SW even in 32bit chroot) |
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| 12:03.14 | jm_ | brrrt: yes, it will be OK assuming the install kernel supports your hardware |
| 12:03.21 | jm_ | well one of the install kernels |
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| 12:03.37 | possie | SlayerXP: well it's acctually for a college of mine who's gonnan install windows on it, i just wanted to test out debian on that box |
| 12:03.37 | NetUser_1 | PerfDave: I see. Can I use the Ati Driver (rpm) |
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| 12:03.47 | PerfDave | NetUser_1: Almost certainly not. |
| 12:04.10 | PerfDave | :ops toher seems to be a join spambot |
| 12:04.19 | PerfDave | !ops toher seems to be a join spambot |
| 12:04.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: toher seems to be a join spambot |
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| 12:04.27 | NetUser_1 | PerfDave: Any Possible Solution |
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| 12:04.30 | NetUser_1 | ? |
| 12:04.37 | helix | hmm |
| 12:04.37 | PerfDave | NetUser_1: I don't know, I'm not an ATI user. |
| 12:04.37 | SlayerXP | tis not onjoin |
| 12:04.39 | helix | I get nothin' |
| 12:04.44 | helix | SlayerXP: when is it? |
| 12:04.49 | brrrt | jm_: k, thx i'll have a try :) |
| 12:04.54 | PerfDave | I didn't say onjoin! |
| 12:05.00 | SlayerXP | helix: i suspect it's just an idiot trying to get us to join his channel |
| 12:05.10 | NetUser_1 | PerfDave : Thank you anyway |
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| 12:05.28 | PerfDave | NetUser_1: You could try upgrading your system to the Testing (Sarge) release, but then you don't get security patches. There is a way to install the ATI stuff on Debian, I'm just not familiar with it. I believe the performance is shitty anyway. |
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| 12:06.22 | directhex|work | NetUser_1, google for 'flavio debian ati' |
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| 12:06.58 | doojin | hey |
| 12:07.04 | brrrt | jm_: i could also try to build a proper kernel for the hardware on a 32bit woody and use this for the install? |
| 12:07.22 | doojin | I can't use 1280x1024 resolution I guess nvidia driver is not installed properly |
| 12:07.47 | doojin | I'm using debian |
| 12:07.51 | NetUser_1 | directhex|work: Thank you so much |
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| 12:08.54 | jm_ | brrrt: yes, installation manual has a chapter about that, alternatively, you can do a chroot install from say knoppix or something similar |
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| 12:09.00 | PerfDave | doojin: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 12:09.11 | NetUser_1 | bye to you all.Thanks again for your help. Nice to be here! |
| 12:09.11 | brrrt | doojin: i think you have a problem with your Xserver config |
| 12:09.33 | doojin | damn |
| 12:09.41 | brrrt | jm_: thx alot, i'll check that out |
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| 12:10.15 | doojin | huh? |
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| 12:10.26 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx doojin |
| 12:10.27 | dpkg | doojin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 12:10.45 | brynjarh | Can someone help me with this? --> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=289622 |
| 12:11.03 | brrrt | doojin: if you have set "nvidia" as driver in your XFree86-4 conf and xserver starts |
| 12:11.33 | brrrt | doojin: how did you install the driver? |
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| 12:12.42 | doojin | I |
| 12:12.46 | macnetic | humm... anyone seen the AdvocaySpam page recently? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AdvocacySpam |
| 12:12.54 | doojin | maybe I have a problem with monitor setting in XFree86config |
| 12:13.00 | macnetic | hope someone has a backup... |
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| 12:13.04 | doojin | help me change mornitor setting |
| 12:13.29 | doojin | how can I change XFree86 Settings easily? |
| 12:14.14 | stew | doojin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xrandr |
| 12:14.39 | doojin | xrandr |
| 12:14.48 | doojin | 800x600 |
| 12:14.52 | doojin | 640x480 |
| 12:14.53 | doojin | that's all |
| 12:15.11 | holy_cow | ahhhh ... bash.org is always a picker upper |
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| 12:15.41 | sanxiyn | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00611.html |
| 12:16.17 | stew | doojin: if thats all the choices you have and you think you should have more then you need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 12:17.33 | sanxiyn | Kudos to who spent long time to track copyrights of mplayer. |
| 12:17.40 | JoaoMarcus | I'm running a Debian kernel image, but whenever I try to use iptables it just returns "Invalid argument" |
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| 12:18.15 | possie | SlayerXP: ah with knoppix it has a new pci.ids it shows a MV88SX6041 |
| 12:18.15 | SlayerXP | JoaoMarcus: which kernel? |
| 12:18.21 | possie | SlayerXP: at least that's the controller |
| 12:18.40 | SlayerXP | possie: you can update the PCI id table any time you like on debian |
| 12:18.42 | JoaoMarcus | 2.6.10-1-k7 , iptables 1.2.11-10 |
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| 12:18.58 | drac | Is there way to blacklist some packages, like 'kdelibs3' and 'kdelibs4' from apt-cache totally? They just keep popping up somehow again and again, just removed another 40MB useless kde* packages. |
| 12:19.16 | holy_cow | sanxiyn, indeed, that can't be an easy thing to do |
| 12:19.20 | macnetic | anyone know of an up-to-date chroot-sshd package? I'd prefer not to compile myself. I think I need a custom binary because I'd like to have separate pam settings from the "admin" sshd (please let me know if I'm mistaken, and I'll go read up on pam) |
| 12:19.22 | possie | SlayerXP: yeah i know.... din't know why i mentioned knopiix heheh |
| 12:19.31 | stew | drac: they won't ever get installed without telling you first |
| 12:19.36 | PerfDave | drac: How would you blacklist them from apt-cache, without removing them from your upstream repositories? |
| 12:19.54 | drac | PerfDave: Ok, good point. No need to say more. |
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| 12:21.52 | stew | !ssh chroot |
| 12:21.52 | dpkg | well, ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425 and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 12:22.26 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 12:22.27 | dpkg | <jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ? |
| 12:22.36 | sanxiyn | Oh. |
| 12:22.37 | stew | hah |
| 12:22.39 | JoaoMarcus | hahaha |
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| 12:24.00 | Shimonn | what format should i use for bind config ? "host IN A ip.addr" or "host A ip.addr" ? |
| 12:24.02 | talon | where are the working repos at? |
| 12:24.02 | takatumi | !qotd51 |
| 12:24.02 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 12:24.21 | talon | !fortune |
| 12:24.24 | dpkg | hmm... fortune is a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
| 12:24.36 | takatumi | talon: /msg dpkg help |
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| 12:24.48 | talon | heh dpkg u never cease to make me laugh |
| 12:24.58 | talon | !beer |
| 12:25.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 12:25.02 | stew | Shimonn: doesn't really matter afaik, the IN just stands for internet and there is no other addreesses supported by bind other than internet addresses anyway |
| 12:25.07 | holy_cow | stew, thx for that factoid, good reading |
| 12:25.10 | talon | hah |
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| 12:25.31 | Shimonn | stew: both are equivalents ? |
| 12:25.32 | stew | holy_cow: not my factoid, buy you're welcome :) |
| 12:25.35 | fatal | Shimonn: IN is the default and anything else is _very_ rare... so you can skip it if you want... |
| 12:25.38 | holy_cow | :) |
| 12:25.39 | stew | Shimonn: yes |
| 12:25.41 | JoaoMarcus | SlayerXP: What combination of 2.6 kernel and iptables would let me use iptables at all? |
| 12:25.51 | talon | !cannabis |
| 12:25.51 | dpkg | i heard cannabis is the wonderful herb that the unfortunate americans can't worship. |
| 12:25.51 | Shimonn | ok, thx |
| 12:26.03 | stew | fatal: is there anything else? any examples? |
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| 12:26.18 | fatal | stew: in reality, no. |
| 12:26.23 | zeeble | sanxiyn: not getting a good one? |
| 12:26.23 | takatumi | sanxiyn: which package? |
| 12:26.43 | zeeble | wanda the fish! |
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| 12:27.34 | macnetic | stew: thanks, off reading now |
| 12:27.36 | JoaoMarcus | "iptables: Invalid argument" <- One of the most horribly cryptic error messages I've ever seen |
| 12:27.40 | sanxiyn | takatumi: "fortunes" package. |
| 12:27.42 | takatumi | forgot the name of that comicgrabber package. |
| 12:27.49 | macnetic | (was on bash org reading this http://bash.org/?287414 - hilarious) |
| 12:27.57 | stew | JoaoMarcus: what is the command you are issuing? |
| 12:28.18 | brrrt | doojin: any luck? |
| 12:28.27 | zeeble | takatumi: dailycomics? |
| 12:28.35 | sanxiyn | "<doogie> Thinking is dangerous. It leads to ideas. -- Seen on #Debian" |
| 12:28.55 | holy_cow | macnetic, ^5, whenver i need a pickup i bash :) |
| 12:29.00 | JoaoMarcus | stew: iptables -t nat -A net_emp_dnat -d 200.172.5.163 --protocol tcp --destination-port 9543 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.48 |
| 12:29.11 | zeeble | macnetic: hehe |
| 12:29.15 | fatal | stew: there's stuff like CHAOS in theory (just to set examples)... but nothing else then IN is used in practice.... |
| 12:29.26 | zeeble | macnetic: that situation looks right out of a movie. |
| 12:31.53 | macnetic | holy_cow: never heard of it before... nice'n easy to remember, though :) |
| 12:31.54 | macnetic | zeeble: yeah |
| 12:31.54 | takatumi | sanxiyn: fortunes will be a pain on ion. |
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| 12:31.54 | stew | JoaoMarcus: doesnt --to need a ip and port? (i'm not sure), like --to-destination 192.168.0.48:9543 |
| 12:31.54 | takatumi | JoaoMarcus: you'll be better off with firehol |
| 12:31.54 | holy_cow | macnetic, hahaha, thats a good one :) |
| 12:31.54 | sanxiyn | "* apt-cacher.pl: Altered the mix of direct and system calls to where possible use system calls at the suggestion of my favorite bug detective Peter Hawkins, to fix a potential infinite loop situation on file reads - but hey, this is Linux, isn't it meant to do infinite loops in 5 seconds? :-P Closes: #196684" |
| 12:31.54 | sanxiyn | Infinite loops in 5 seconds. |
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| 12:31.54 | macnetic | holy_cow: someone should've gone to the beach with a video camera :) |
| 12:31.54 | holy_cow | lol no kiddn' :) |
| 12:31.54 | takatumi | macnetic: that's old. |
| 12:31.54 | fatal | stew: port is optional, but ip is required. |
| 12:32.10 | JoaoMarcus | stew: Just appended the port # too, still invalid argument, the iptables FAQ tells to recompile iptables, already tried it |
| 12:32.12 | macnetic | takatumi: well, as I said, I've never heard of bash.org |
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| 12:32.32 | macnetic | guess I should go sit in a corner for a while after having admitted that :) |
| 12:32.53 | takatumi | macnetic: what were you a winder? |
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| 12:33.02 | macnetic | _had_ never heard of bash.org, to be more correct |
| 12:33.26 | macnetic | takatumi: uhm, no. I had heard of bash, of course, just not bash.org |
| 12:33.35 | sanxiyn | Another fortune: "<moshez> what I like about Manoj is his desire for simple and small solutions, like EMACS." |
| 12:34.00 | macnetic | takatumi: for a hint of what I were (am), take a look at my nick :) |
| 12:34.23 | takatumi | macnetic: ah. |
| 12:34.43 | takatumi | !tell bl1nk -about away |
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| 12:34.54 | talon | !repos |
| 12:35.06 | takatumi | talon: /msg the bots. |
| 12:35.08 | peterS | talon: did you mean '/msg dpkg own repo'? |
| 12:35.23 | JoaoMarcus | Is anyone here running a 2.6 kernel and using iptables with no problems? It would be enough to get a "correct" kernel version |
| 12:35.25 | takatumi | !peterS++ |
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| 12:35.39 | talon | what is the repo ;list |
| 12:35.40 | ricky_clarkson | /msg dpkg peters++ |
| 12:35.51 | peterS | hehe |
| 12:36.14 | talon | any1 kno? |
| 12:36.16 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: that shouldn't be done in a message. |
| 12:36.24 | ricky_clarkson | Why? |
| 12:36.35 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: should be on the main. |
| 12:36.45 | takatumi | according to me. |
| 12:37.37 | talon | hello what are the repos adresses? |
| 12:37.44 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: you were the one who helped me with a kernel compile, on my first or second day in #debian |
| 12:37.59 | ricky_clarkson | takatumi: I'm sorry. I must have been on a no-troll day. |
| 12:37.59 | JoaoMarcus | stew: do U use iptables? |
| 12:38.00 | takatumi | !ricky_clarkson++ |
| 12:38.18 | holy_cow | that just begs for a good punchline |
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| 12:39.08 | helix | !karma ricky_clarkson |
| 12:39.08 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson has karma of 3 |
| 12:39.21 | takatumi | helix: valuable ones eh? |
| 12:39.30 | helix | you're all valuable to me |
| 12:39.38 | takatumi | helix: aww. |
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| 12:39.51 | helix | I am trying to remember this pearl jam song |
| 12:40.07 | helix | and failing |
| 12:40.28 | takatumi | helix: don't. just get it off your system, if it's meant to come back it will. |
| 12:43.05 | helix | well, I haven't heard it in like 8 years, I doubt it'll just come to me :) |
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| 12:43.30 | simonrvn | helix! |
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| 12:43.30 | helix | I wonder where I can find hardcore pearl jam fans |
| 12:43.30 | macnetic | hmm, okay. I read the stuff about sshd chroot. I really only wanted chrooted sftpd, but I guess the same stuff applies there. I think I'll just go with ftp with secure password exchange... |
| 12:43.30 | helix | simonrvn: hello! |
| 12:43.30 | macnetic | and chroot |
| 12:43.30 | macnetic | pureftp still a good choice? |
| 12:43.30 | takatumi | macnetic: why ftp? |
| 12:43.30 | holy_cow | helix --> #shittybandsfromthe90's |
| 12:43.30 | holy_cow | >> |
| 12:43.30 | PerfDave | macnetic: Ask about it on http://www.debian-administration.org/ - there have been some good articles about SFTP there. |
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| 12:43.30 | holy_cow | >_> even |
| 12:43.30 | ricky_clarkson | ricky@ricky:~$ perl -jam |
| 12:43.30 | ricky_clarkson | Unrecognized switch: -jam (-h will show valid options). |
| 12:43.30 | zeeble | heh. |
| 12:43.30 | helix | holy_cow: why were you banned? |
| 12:43.30 | kirbymeister | ohkay... firefox is acting up on me. i'm gonna reboot |
| 12:43.31 | helix | wtf |
| 12:43.31 | helix | kirbymeister: why? |
| 12:43.31 | holy_cow | helix, i donno, heh |
| 12:43.31 | JoaoMarcus | If anyone here is using iptables with a Debian 2.6 kernel image, please point me the kernel image you're using |
| 12:43.32 | macnetic | takatumi: any better ideas for file transfer, if sshd chroot is a bitch? |
| 12:43.32 | simonrvn | helix: hiya. doing ok this morning? |
| 12:43.32 | helix | holy_cow: are you lying to me? |
| 12:43.32 | helix | simonrvn: yessir, you? |
| 12:43.32 | takatumi | macnetic: scp |
| 12:43.32 | kirbymeister | (i shouldnt have edited that 300 dpi 5x8 on an AMD 800mhz duron) |
| 12:43.32 | simonrvn | helix: yes'm :) |
| 12:43.32 | holy_cow | nope, dun remember, i don't even know who did it |
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| 12:43.32 | helix | holy_cow: so why are you evading the ban? |
| 12:43.32 | macnetic | PerfDave: k, thanks |
| 12:43.32 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: hehe |
| 12:43.33 | holy_cow | *shrug* i had a question to ask, i asked dondelelcaro to remove it but he's not here |
| 12:43.33 | macnetic | takatumi: well, that still requires sshd, doesn't it? |
| 12:43.58 | holy_cow | it's not like i'm being particularly clever about it either |
| 12:44.00 | ricky_clarkson | holy_cow: chanserv can tell you the names of ops on a channel. It's better to /msg other ops to ask for the ban to be removed. |
| 12:44.03 | xpato | clusters links? |
| 12:44.07 | helix | holy_cow: I'm not really seeing where you were banned |
| 12:44.10 | COReE | somebody know how to syncronize Gtk fonts with QT fonts under sarge (testing 3.1)? |
| 12:44.29 | zeeble | gtk fonts? qt fonts? |
| 12:44.31 | holy_cow | helix, well i remember something about being banned here, by whom i have no clue |
| 12:44.32 | COReE | so under kde i had a smoll Gtk fonts |
| 12:44.35 | helix | holy_cow: we normally ban on hostmask and yours is still the same |
| 12:44.43 | helix | holy_cow: um, are you lying or just really stupid? |
| 12:44.47 | holy_cow | i was having some normal discussion with someone *non op* and bang offline |
| 12:44.57 | holy_cow | what can i say, no idea, didn't bother asking |
| 12:44.59 | COReE | zeeble, yes i use gnome and kde |
| 12:45.15 | takatumi | macnetic: scponly |
| 12:45.17 | holy_cow | helix, i just assumed it was a temp ban someone forgot |
| 12:45.34 | holy_cow | and i never bothered to either ask of followup until someone mentioned it to me earlier |
| 12:45.35 | macnetic | takatumi: ok, I'll go look. thanks! :) |
| 12:45.41 | simonrvn | COReE: gtk and qt get their fonts from the same place. no such thing as gtk or qt fonts. the difference lies in how they manage the output from the data they get from the xserver (or font server+xserver) |
| 12:46.06 | takatumi | macnetic: or maybe look at secpanel |
| 12:46.12 | holy_cow | anyway, you don't haveto remove the ban |
| 12:46.16 | holy_cow | ask the other ops |
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| 12:46.19 | holy_cow | someone might remember |
| 12:46.20 | holy_cow | lol |
| 12:46.21 | simonrvn | holy_cow: maybe it got removed soon after |
| 12:46.27 | takatumi | JoaoMarcus: trust me, firehol. |
| 12:46.29 | ricky_clarkson | !holy_cow |
| 12:46.29 | helix | holy_cow: and you can't /nick holycow ? |
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| 12:46.59 | helix | I don't think anyone banned you |
| 12:47.03 | takatumi | macnetic: screen, irssi-text, mutt |
| 12:47.07 | helix | since your hostmask + nick both work |
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| 12:47.15 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
| 12:47.21 | helix | ah, +q |
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| 12:47.36 | holy_cow | oh i was devoiced |
| 12:47.41 | holy_cow | lol |
| 12:47.48 | ricky_clarkson | muchos lols. |
| 12:47.50 | macnetic | takatumi: uhm, for notes you mean? I got copy-paste to Stickies for that :) |
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| 12:48.11 | simonrvn | xpad, xfce4's plugin, etc. |
| 12:48.11 | macnetic | (and I thought mutt was a newsreader... or something) |
| 12:48.12 | takatumi | macnetic: no, add those to your notes as well. |
| 12:48.36 | COReE | simonrvn, i understand (claire), but |
| 12:48.37 | takatumi | macnetic: will make sense in the long run. |
| 12:48.37 | simonrvn | macnetic: MUA (mail user agent) |
| 12:48.50 | macnetic | takatumi: ok :) |
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| 12:49.18 | ricky_clarkson | helix: Can you list the +qs in a channel? |
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| 12:49.35 | helix | ricky_clarkson: I was checking the wrong month; this happened in january |
| 12:49.40 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: they're in with the +b, but with a % added |
| 12:49.46 | COReE | haw to say of xfree86 to menage this fonts with the same fixed size ? |
| 12:49.57 | macnetic | takatumi: I know screen, and it runs out I almost knew mutt... but anyway; I need a chrooted way of providing file transfers to users who'll use their dog's name for a password :) |
| 12:49.58 | holy_cow | *nod* many moons ago |
| 12:49.59 | *** mode/#Debian [-q holycow!*@*] by helix |
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| 12:50.09 | holycow | yey! |
| 12:50.14 | holycow | helix you rock :) |
| 12:50.15 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 12:50.18 | holycow | danke |
| 12:50.23 | helix | holycow: don't act like an idiot anymore |
| 12:50.25 | ricky_clarkson | Can somebody +q holycow? |
| 12:50.28 | simonrvn | COReE: just tell each to set them to the same size, also the same dpi setting |
| 12:50.32 | takatumi | macnetic: I haven't really fiddled with ftp, not very comfortable with it. |
| 12:50.42 | idnar | ricky_clarkson: bwahaha |
| 12:50.43 | holycow | lol |
| 12:50.45 | holycow | :) |
| 12:51.29 | brrrt | the dpkg bot is really cool :) |
| 12:51.34 | takatumi | !tell macnetic -about ftp |
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| 12:51.43 | helix | ugh, why does it still say #Debian |
| 12:52.00 | peterS | it'll say whatever capitalisation you specified when you joined |
| 12:52.06 | jm_ | most clients will use the channel name you use when joining, not that of the server |
| 12:52.08 | helix | I always specify lowercase |
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| 12:52.19 | ricky_clarkson | /j #dEbIAn |
| 12:52.20 | takatumi | helix: it doesn't in my client, so fuck it. :D |
| 12:52.22 | macnetic | takatumi: heh. this is for samba users, actually |
| 12:52.25 | simonrvn | COReE: likely, what's happened is that gtk and qt have different dpi settings (say, one has 75 dpi, and the other has 90 dpi or such) and hence they look different, even though the font size itself is the same (e.g., 12 point bitstream vera sans) |
| 12:52.40 | helix | I should go to sleep |
| 12:52.49 | helix | maybe I'll have a chance of waking up before 5pm |
| 12:53.10 | takatumi | helix: what time is it? |
| 12:53.12 | ricky_clarkson | Ahh, the google logo is nice today. |
| 12:53.17 | helix | almost 8am |
| 12:53.21 | simonrvn | 07:53 |
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| 12:53.28 | takatumi | 15:53 here |
| 12:53.34 | macnetic | takatumi: me neither. the box was hacked just before christmas. the real reason was of course me getting sloppy with security updates (bad me), but having a gazillion ports open (yeah, I [now] know, that could've been avoided too) for pasv ftp didn't help |
| 12:53.49 | ricky_clarkson | 12:53 here - let's have 28 different people list their timezones, just for laughs. |
| 12:54.07 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: your timezone has a 53-minute offset in it? weird. |
| 12:54.26 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 12:54.29 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: anyway, the way to get everyone's timezones is '/ctcp #debian time' |
| 12:54.32 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: not that I recommend this (: |
| 12:54.34 | helix | I wish my bruises would go away |
| 12:54.36 | macnetic | 13:54 here |
| 12:54.42 | helix | how long should they normally take to disappear? |
| 12:54.49 | ricky_clarkson | helix: Depends how I hard I hit you. |
| 12:54.50 | peterS | depends on the nature of the bruise |
| 12:54.55 | simonrvn | depends. few days to few weeks |
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| 12:55.00 | ricky_clarkson | s/I// |
| 12:55.03 | helix | yeah, we're going on a few weeks here |
| 12:55.04 | takatumi | helix: catscratch? |
| 12:55.08 | helix | skateboard |
| 12:55.14 | takatumi | heh |
| 12:55.15 | simonrvn | ow |
| 12:55.17 | ricky_clarkson | helix: what colour was it originally? |
| 12:55.22 | peterS | you should eat more bruisels sprouts |
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| 12:55.25 | helix | well, it was dark and it stuck out |
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| 12:55.28 | sri_ | hi |
| 12:55.33 | simonrvn | @lart peterS |
| 12:55.39 | peterS | thanks, simonrvn, I needed that |
| 12:55.45 | simonrvn | peterS: ;) |
| 12:55.55 | helix | takatumi: I took up skateboarding so I'd have something to say when my husband beats me |
| 12:56.08 | macnetic | not to be naggy, but does anyone here hawve anything to do with the channel faq wiki server (like access to backups)? the ProjectSpamming entry has been replaced by some pr0n crap |
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| 12:56.09 | ricky_clarkson | helix: Do you form scabs easily when you bleed? |
| 12:56.10 | peterS | in tetrinet? |
| 12:56.20 | helix | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 12:56.22 | takatumi | helix: then my wife has it easy I guess. |
| 12:56.31 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 12:56.37 | helix | takatumi: well, I'm not married yet |
| 12:56.40 | ricky_clarkson | I only hit my gf by accident. |
| 12:56.40 | helix | but just in case |
| 12:56.50 | simonrvn | tarzeau: see what macnetic just said abou the wiki |
| 12:57.02 | takatumi | helix: looking at someone from the hells angels? |
| 12:57.11 | helix | no way, they might have facial hair |
| 12:57.22 | graytron | ricky_clarkson: how many times has that happened so far? |
| 12:57.23 | helix | a psychopathic accountant is more my speed |
| 12:57.28 | ricky_clarkson | helix: Do you not have any? |
| 12:57.35 | helix | ricky_clarkson: I sure don't! |
| 12:57.35 | peterS | ha |
| 12:57.51 | ricky_clarkson | graytron: Once. Then we started dating. Which was nice. |
| 12:57.55 | ricky_clarkson | I'm romantic, me. |
| 12:57.56 | sri_ | i just upgraded to kernel 2.6.10 and now my keyboard stopped working under x11...no warnings/errors nowhere...wtf? |
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| 12:58.00 | JoaoMarcus | takatumi: wow, this is sooo much better than Shorewall, thanks a lot |
| 12:58.01 | graytron | ricky_clarkson: oww |
| 12:58.02 | ricky_clarkson | I was 30 minutes late for our first date. |
| 12:58.23 | helix | yeah, a real suave dude |
| 12:58.23 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: not an illustrious start. did you have an excuse? |
| 12:58.23 | takatumi | JoaoMarcus: no worries. |
| 12:58.23 | ricky_clarkson | Not a good one. |
| 12:58.28 | graytron | ricky_clarkson: and then you hit her? |
| 12:58.32 | simonrvn | sri_: missing module. /me guesses evdev and mousedev and other relevant drivers |
| 12:58.41 | ricky_clarkson | No, I hit her first, then started dating her. |
| 12:58.44 | ricky_clarkson | Caveman approach. |
| 12:58.46 | graytron | ah how di that happen |
| 12:58.50 | ricky_clarkson | Salsa dancing. |
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| 12:59.04 | peterS | oh, I was gonna guess you met her from an auto accident |
| 12:59.05 | simonrvn | "ugh. me sorry me hit you. let's start dating" |
| 12:59.06 | ricky_clarkson | Anyone interested in it can read http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/lisa.txt |
| 12:59.06 | sri_ | simonrvn: touchpad works, keyboard works on the console |
| 12:59.16 | takatumi | sri_: do you have usb legacy support enabled in the bios? |
| 12:59.35 | simonrvn | sri_: so x kbd then? |
| 12:59.38 | sri_ | it all worked with 2.6.4 |
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| 12:59.46 | takatumi | sri_: ah, if it works on the console, then don't fiddle with the bios. |
| 12:59.50 | sri_ | with the same .config |
| 13:00.03 | sri_ | really strange |
| 13:00.11 | talon | if some1 could /msg me the debian sarge repositories that b swell thanx |
| 13:00.28 | simonrvn | tarzeau: no one will. apt-setup |
| 13:00.33 | ricky_clarkson | !configure keyboard |
| 13:00.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, configure keyboard is 'zless /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.gz' |
| 13:00.33 | simonrvn | tarzeau: sorry |
| 13:00.37 | eliane | when I try to compile the amd driver for my wifi card, it returns the following error msg : debian:/usr/src/adm8211# make|make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10/build M=/usr/src/adm8211 modules|make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10/build: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type. Arrêt.|make: *** [modules] Erreur 2 |
| 13:00.37 | takatumi | talon: looking to do a fresh install? |
| 13:00.40 | eliane | what should i do ? |
| 13:00.51 | simonrvn | talon: see what i said to tarzeau ; also /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 13:01.00 | ricky_clarkson | eliane: /j #debian-fr or translate to English. |
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| 13:01.27 | eliane | ricky_clarkson: "no such file or directory" |
| 13:01.44 | eliane | ricky_clarkson: "Arrêt=Stop" |
| 13:02.08 | simonrvn | Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type. == no such file or directory of this type |
| 13:02.35 | takatumi | directhex|work: "21:35 BeBoo | That nvidia oneliner doesn't work :p" |
| 13:02.53 | directhex|work | takatumi, yes, it does, i did it last night |
| 13:03.03 | directhex|work | takatumi, if he can't follow it that's not my problem |
| 13:03.13 | takatumi | directhex|work: he/she must have done something wrong then. |
| 13:03.25 | directhex|work | takatumi, obviously. |
| 13:03.30 | Borgon | Anyone help me with partition sizes/types for a 2x80GB raid1 install? |
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| 13:04.33 | tarzeau | hi simonrvn |
| 13:04.43 | simonrvn | tarzeau: hello |
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| 13:05.08 | takatumi | !tell Borgon -about raid |
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| 13:06.03 | takatumi | tarzeau: 15:56 macnetic | not to be naggy, but does anyone here hawve anything to do with the channel faq wiki |
| 13:06.06 | takatumi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.38 | kalila | rofl |
| 13:06.45 | kalila | have you guys tried xdesktopwaves? |
| 13:06.49 | kalila | this thing owns |
| 13:06.59 | takatumi | kalila: control yourself. |
| 13:07.21 | kalila | i'm in full control |
| 13:07.32 | sri_ | xev shows no events :( |
| 13:08.31 | RichiH | what's the name of the package containing descent, again? |
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| 13:08.47 | rj_ | how do i set up an ATAPI cd writer? |
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| 13:09.02 | macnetic | kalila: the xdesktopwaves page should have movies :) |
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| 13:11.02 | graytron | ricky_clarkson: interesting story |
| 13:11.09 | stego | takatumi, I just had a look at firehol too, It's impressive, I wish I had heard about it sooner. Thanks. |
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| 13:11.38 | ricky_clarkson | graytron: Still going well, I'm near-enough living with her atm - 2 weeks on. |
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| 13:11.49 | Borgon | Hello |
| 13:11.56 | graytron | ricky_clarkson: good luck :) |
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| 13:12.29 | tarzeau | takatumi: you want write access for wiki? |
| 13:12.37 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: aaw :) |
| 13:12.39 | ronalde | having trouble with a sata hd: senese key medium error and I/O errors. Should i run a bad block scan? |
| 13:12.42 | graytron | hi tarzeau :) |
| 13:13.29 | takatumi | tarzeau: thought everyone could. |
| 13:13.53 | dacer | please help with udev, can anyone help me? |
| 13:13.54 | macnetic | takatumi: scponly seems to fit the bill perfectly - thanks a bundle! if I'm ever whereever you are, I'll buy you a beer or 3 :) |
| 13:13.54 | Borgon | I have 2x80GB trying to partition it for software raid0 .... What should i make the partitions on each hard drive? do i use sarge installer or what? |
| 13:14.35 | arcus | Borgon: do you have debian installed already? |
| 13:14.53 | arcus | Borgon: on another disk or whatever? |
| 13:15.14 | macnetic | takatumi: where do you live? |
| 13:15.20 | tarzeau | hi graytron |
| 13:15.29 | tarzeau | takatumi: it used to be like that yes |
| 13:15.37 | takatumi | macnetic: kuwait |
| 13:15.46 | takatumi | tarzeau: ah. |
| 13:15.49 | tarzeau | takatumi: but i had 3 times in 3 weeks, my disk fill up with 80mb spam each on this wiki |
| 13:16.05 | macnetic | takatumi: oh. dunno if I'll be there any time soon. let me know if you come to norway ;) |
| 13:16.06 | tarzeau | takatumi: so i turned off public editing. every regular in here can request an account. |
| 13:16.20 | Borgon | arcus, no this is a virgin install |
| 13:16.21 | dacer | please help with udev, can anyone help me? |
| 13:16.22 | takatumi | tarzeau: good decision. |
| 13:16.42 | macnetic | tarzeau: well, the thing is, I found a prn-spam-thingy there... so if you have backups... |
| 13:16.46 | Borgon | arcus, ive been fighting with the partitions i dont know what to make... i want to do raid1 can you help me? i have 2 x80GB formatted with pure free space |
| 13:16.53 | tarzeau | macnetic: yes there is the diffs |
| 13:17.00 | takatumi | tarzeau: add me to the list then. |
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| 13:17.05 | tarzeau | macnetic: but only me and asg can edit it--i currently have no time |
| 13:17.20 | macnetic | tarzeau: ok. just thought I'd let someone know :) |
| 13:17.21 | tarzeau | takatumi: tell me your username that you registered already |
| 13:17.23 | arcus | Borgon: well, the installer should help you through the process. |
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| 13:17.42 | sri_ | it's not the xserver, doesn't work with fglrx and vesa |
| 13:17.47 | Borgon | arcus, it doesnt say anything |
| 13:17.48 | arcus | Borgon: it just launches something like cfdisk if I recall correctly... |
| 13:17.48 | takatumi | tarzeau: I haven't :P |
| 13:17.55 | tarzeau | takatumi: register first |
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| 13:18.15 | Borgon | arcus, it doesnt give me any tips or pointers, this is the first time i do it |
| 13:18.20 | Borgon | arcus, is cfdisk command prompt? it was a blue ugly screen with no help |
| 13:18.20 | arcus | Borgon: there should be a step in the install process - "format hard drive partitions' or something. |
| 13:18.21 | takatumi | tarzeau: will let you know. |
| 13:18.54 | Borgon | arcus, raid is not selected by default |
| 13:18.59 | arcus | Borgon: cfdisk is a console-based program, and isn't particularly pretty, yes. |
| 13:19.04 | Borgon | arcus, this is software raid |
| 13:19.15 | arcus | Borgon: right, I didn't know you wanted to set up software raid. |
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| 13:19.28 | takatumi | macnetic: will do :) |
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| 13:19.41 | Ashtars_fanclub | how long has 2.6.10 been in sid, when is it expected to make it to sarge i386 |
| 13:19.57 | stew | Ashtars_fanclub: as it stands today sarge will release with 2.6.8 |
| 13:20.03 | Borgon | All i need help is the partition tables? |
| 13:20.03 | Borgon | arcus, can you help me with that? |
| 13:20.03 | arcus | Borgon: I'm not sure the installer is set up to do that. I think you may have to install the OS onto a partition and set up RAID later. |
| 13:20.13 | Borgon | arcus, 2x80GB Clean, what size swap and raid should i make on each ? |
| 13:20.14 | brrrt | i would never use sarge# |
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| 13:20.20 | macnetic | aaaaawww, my head. not enough sleep. must. get. caffeine. |
| 13:20.40 | arcus | Borgon: how much swap depends on how much RAM you have. |
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| 13:21.10 | brrrt | IMHO sid is more "stable" than sarge |
| 13:21.23 | Ashtars_fanclub | stew: aww, ok, then i will get it from sid, would that cause problems? |
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| 13:21.57 | Borgon | Should LVM be able to install ontop of raid fine? |
| 13:22.10 | stew | Ashtars_fanclub: that should be fine |
| 13:22.15 | Nom | Does anyone know of a nice web configuration tool (similar to the ipcop/smoothwall interface) that is available as a debian package? |
| 13:22.15 | Borgon | brrrt, why do you say sid is more stable than sarge? |
| 13:22.19 | arcus | Borgon: what I generally do is have a partition for / and a partition that I use for /usr/local and /home, that way I have all of 'my' stuff on one partition and all the debian stuff on another. |
| 13:22.32 | Nom | I know about Webmin, but it doesn't serve my purposes, i need something idiot proof :P |
| 13:22.35 | sri_ | how can a keyboard work in the console but not in x11? |
| 13:22.36 | directhex|work | Ashtars_fanclub, no, it shouldn't cause problems. you could compile your own kernel too if you like |
| 13:22.36 | Borgon | brrrt, you wouldnt recommend sarge in production? |
| 13:22.53 | brrrt | Borgon: no i wouldnt recommend sarge in production |
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| 13:23.02 | Borgon | arcus, yes but when you have 2 hard drives with raid its different |
| 13:23.07 | stew | Borgon: stable should be the only consideration in production, testing doesn't get security updates and unstable is unstable |
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| 13:23.35 | PerfDave | stew: And unstable doesn't get security updates either. |
| 13:23.36 | Ashtars_fanclub | ok, i do not wish to compile my own kernel, can i somehow set it to get the kernel from sid without having it suggesting uppdate all when i do apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:23.37 | brrrt | Borgon: you should use woody + backporets if needed for production |
| 13:23.44 | zerox | do anyone know what kernelmodul to use fore a 3c940 card ? |
| 13:23.54 | PerfDave | Ashtars_fanclub: Do you need 2.6.10 for anythign in particular? |
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| 13:23.59 | Ashtars_fanclub | yea |
| 13:24.03 | stew | Borgon: anyone who claims that unstable is actually stable just hasn't gotten burned bad *yet* |
| 13:24.16 | DeadZed- | how do I install printer in debian? Installed all cups and foomatic and gimp packages and installed my epson printer with correct driver but it wont print |
| 13:24.18 | Borgon | brrrt, ok |
| 13:24.20 | PerfDave | Nom: Webmin isn't idiot proof enough for you? Webmin is "nice"? *fear* |
| 13:24.21 | Ashtars_fanclub | alsa 1.08 needed for the software pcm so that i can controll sound volume |
| 13:24.24 | DeadZed- | please |
| 13:24.25 | ricky_clarkson | Unstable refers to movement rather than crashes. |
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| 13:24.47 | arcus | Borgon: I don't think so. You just link two (or more) similarly sized partitions together to get a raid device. |
| 13:25.07 | rrohde | question: how can I add a printer under Debian? I am new to Debian, and haven't seen any commandline config tool that would write to /etc/printcap. I am interested in adding an LPRNG printer |
| 13:25.12 | Nom | oops sorry for pmsg |
| 13:25.14 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe it should be called broken instead of unstable. |
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| 13:25.16 | Nom | PerfDave Ok, i need something for PARENTS to use disconnect/connect |
| 13:25.23 | zerox | 3c940 what kernelmodul ?? |
| 13:25.30 | PerfDave | Nom: Disconnect or connect what? |
| 13:25.38 | Nom | ADSL Connection |
| 13:25.42 | PerfDave | Ashtars_fanclub: Read the APT HOWTO on pinning and backporting, perhaps. |
| 13:25.49 | stew | ricky_clarkson: there you go. how about "debian borked" |
| 13:25.54 | PerfDave | Nom: Why would they need to disconnect and/or connect to something? |
| 13:26.02 | dacer | please help with udev, can anyone help me? |
| 13:26.10 | PerfDave | Nom: You could always write scripts to call "sudo ifup" and "sudo ifdown" and put links to them on the desktop ;0 |
| 13:26.16 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Try #ubuntu |
| 13:26.21 | arcus | Borgon: if you wanted 20 gig for / and 60 gig for /usr/local and /home, then you'd make a 20 gig parition and a 60 gig partition on each hard-drive, then link them together using some raid tool like mdmadm (I don't think that name's quite right, but it's something like that). |
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| 13:26.57 | Marticus | are there debs for xfree86 4.4.99.901 |
| 13:27.01 | Borgon | This f*cking sucks, been trying to get raid/sarge working for 10 hours now |
| 13:27.02 | Nom | The debian box sits in the corner, and there will be times when they may need to reboot the server or disconnect/reconnect |
| 13:27.21 | PerfDave | Marticus: I don't think that xfree86 4.4 is in Debian at all, because it's non-Free. |
| 13:27.22 | ricky_clarkson | Marticus: XFree86 4.4 is not part of Debian. There may be unofficial debs. Try google. |
| 13:27.23 | directhex|work | Marticus, debian doesn't officially carry xfree86 4.4 or above, so if you find some, you're on your own |
| 13:27.24 | Nom | but i can't run flat out smoothewall/ipcop as it's running a mail server and a few other things for myself |
| 13:27.32 | Nom | ipcop is a little too cut down for my purposes |
| 13:27.44 | PerfDave | Nom: You can run a mail server and other services on an IPCop box. |
| 13:27.45 | Marticus | nonfree? |
| 13:27.52 | Marticus | wow... |
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| 13:28.21 | ricky_clarkson | Marticus: Debian has particular meanings of "free" that don't apply to XFree86 4.4 |
| 13:28.34 | brrrt | Borgon: whats the problem? |
| 13:28.36 | stew | Marticus: non-free as in /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 13:28.41 | Marticus | sigh |
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| 13:28.44 | helix | word to the dfsg |
| 13:28.49 | Marticus | I wrote a web site about it... |
| 13:28.52 | directhex|work | Marticus, no major linux or unix uses xfree86 4.4+, the license changes coupled with developer dictatorship mean it's dead in the water. |
| 13:28.52 | Marticus | lol |
| 13:29.02 | Marticus | I just didnt know xfree4.4 was non free |
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| 13:29.07 | Borgon | brrrt, ive been trying to use the blue installer that comes with sarge to configure raid and it hasnt been working |
| 13:29.07 | Nom | but i like debian, PerfDave |
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| 13:29.27 | Nom | i suppose i'll have to write my own interface |
| 13:29.27 | Borgon | brrrt, no one or google hasnt manage to help me out on paritition schemes for the 2 hard drives. |
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| 13:29.34 | PerfDave | Nom: Well, then use Debian, but IPCop may be better for what you want. |
| 13:29.38 | Marticus | directhex|work: any talk of branching? |
| 13:29.47 | ricky_clarkson | Marticus: x.org |
| 13:29.52 | directhex|work | Marticus, x.org, about a year ago |
| 13:29.59 | brrrt | Borgon: you want a software raid? |
| 13:30.01 | Borgon | brrrt, all i want is raid1 on 2x80GB, then to install lvm.... but when i made the raid i got errors |
| 13:30.15 | Marticus | see, shows you how long it has been since I used x :) |
| 13:30.18 | Borgon | brb am gonna retry again to play with server before i go to the server |
| 13:30.18 | Borgon | brrrt, yeah a software raid |
| 13:30.44 | directhex|work | Marticus, http://www.xfree86.org/distros/ is the list of what still uses xfree86 4.4, which is out of date (i believe freebsd dropped it) and the linux entries are all tiny no-namers |
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| 13:30.46 | Borgon | brrrt, If you have 2x80GB Free and clean... how would you split it? someone told me to add 2GB for swap on each and then make the rest raid , is this true? |
| 13:30.53 | Ashtars_fanclub | the howto that i found suggests editing /etc/apt/apt.conf atm there is no such file only /etc/apt .. sources.list and apt.conf.d/ should i create apt.conf or is the path changed? |
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| 13:31.05 | directhex|work | Marticus, everyone now uses xorg, or xfree86 4.3. debian uses 4.3, with some drivers backported from x.org |
| 13:31.06 | arcus | Borgon: how much RAM do you have? |
| 13:31.23 | PerfDave | Does anything use XFree86 4.4? |
| 13:31.26 | timo | Ashtars_fanclub, create |
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| 13:31.33 | PerfDave | Argh, I should read directhex|work's URL |
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| 13:31.38 | Marticus | for what reason is debian not moving to xorg? |
| 13:31.38 | directhex|work | Marticus, xorg was originally a fork of xfree 4.4rc2, is now being actively developed rather than stagnated byluddite developers |
| 13:31.40 | sml | hiya PerfDave :) |
| 13:31.43 | tosh| | anyone know of any mini-httpd's that can do php? |
| 13:31.48 | ricky_clarkson | Marticus: the release of sarge. |
| 13:31.51 | directhex|work | Marticus, it will, after sarge releases |
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| 13:32.01 | Marticus | cool |
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| 13:32.14 | brrrt | Borgon: 2GB swap seems alot to me but i am not _the_ expert |
| 13:32.20 | c459s | Can anyone recommend a windows program that lets me burn the debian sarge installation cd (.img format)? |
| 13:32.25 | zerox | cd kernel |
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| 13:32.43 | sml | c459s: nero |
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| 13:32.49 | tosh| | c459s nero? fireburner? easy cd creator? |
| 13:32.54 | arcus | Borgon: there's no point in having 2GB swap if you only have 32 Mb RAM, but if you have 2GB RAM you might want a little more. |
| 13:32.54 | JoaoMarcus | c459s: put it in the microwave |
| 13:32.56 | Ashtars_fanclub | should i then include unstable in my sources.list? |
| 13:33.05 | stew | doesn't windows have cdburning software built in these days? |
| 13:33.09 | Borgon | arcus, i have 2GB ram |
| 13:33.09 | Borgon | brrrt, other than the swap what else? |
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| 13:33.25 | sml | stew: yes it does but im not sure if it can write a raw cd from iso file |
| 13:33.30 | HanClinto | Hello! |
| 13:33.39 | sml | only "right click" write files to disk , point n click shiiznizz i believe. |
| 13:33.40 | ian2 | okeydo. I've got a problem =]. I just replaced my motherboard a few days ago. Complains DMA isnt on at boot. So I do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 13:33.44 | ian2 | it says permission denied |
| 13:33.45 | fatal | stew: not for iso's afaik.... only drag-n-drop support to write files onto data-cds ... |
| 13:33.45 | HanClinto | Does anyone else here have a problem getting the 4th .iso from Jigdo? |
| 13:33.48 | Borgon | arcus, 4GB Swap for 2GB ram? |
| 13:33.50 | ian2 | /dev/hda: |
| 13:33.50 | ian2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.50 | ian2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.50 | ian2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:33.51 | arcus | Borgon: then it's probably prudent to have slightly over 2GB. |
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| 13:33.54 | Borgon | because 2GB swap on each drive = 4GB total swap |
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| 13:34.02 | ian2 | ffs, four lines =] |
| 13:34.03 | arcus | Borgon: yeah, right. |
| 13:34.06 | ian2 | anyway. |
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| 13:34.18 | sml | ian2: it wasn't the four lines it was probabl the speed at which you did it :) |
| 13:34.21 | HanClinto | I've been trying to download the ISO's for 4 or 5 days now, and I've gotten all of the others except for #4 from Jigdo. |
| 13:34.27 | Borgon | arcus, so after i make 2Gb on each.. make the rest raid and that should be it? |
| 13:34.28 | ian2 | sml: yah =] |
| 13:34.30 | arcus | Borgon: that's probably a little large, even... depending on what you're doing. |
| 13:34.32 | stew | HanClinto: any good reason why you are downloading that many isos? you only really need the first |
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| 13:34.37 | ian2 | so any help with the DMA thing? |
| 13:34.38 | brrrt | Borgon: your shouldnt swap anyways, so why so much swap space? |
| 13:34.40 | fatal | ian2: if you make sure the correct ide driver is loaded you should get dma (and all other prefered settings for your controller) set automagically... |
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| 13:34.44 | Marticus | thanks for the info |
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| 13:34.51 | ian2 | fatal: /me checks |
| 13:34.56 | stew | Ashtars_fanclub: just download the .deb from ftp.debian.org |
| 13:34.59 | brrrt | Borgon: http://debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3302&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
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| 13:35.01 | Marticus | regarding xorg |
| 13:35.03 | HanClinto | Stew: Oh really? I figured it was like RH where you just wanted all of the ISO's if you were going to be installing any packages |
| 13:35.07 | c459s | k, thanks. |
| 13:35.11 | sml | is it just me that thinks that the fundraiser status looks like the Death Star ? |
| 13:35.13 | Marticus | I can't believe xfree went to hell |
| 13:35.14 | ian2 | fatal: thanks, thats probably it =] |
| 13:35.24 | arcus | Borgon: paritioning schemes are very much a personal taste. It is easier to have everything in one large partition, but I like to seperate off '/' and /home and /usr/local like I said. |
| 13:35.34 | Borgon | brrrt, its a 2GB server and it will be doing vps/vds hosting |
| 13:35.38 | directhex|work | HanClinto, desktop machine? |
| 13:35.42 | stew | HanClinto: the first is enought to get you on the net to download only what you want to install, the packages are also ordered by popularity so most people will only be installing stuff from the first 2 or 3 anyway |
| 13:35.44 | arcus | Borgon: it also sometimes makes sense to have a small /boot partition. |
| 13:35.45 | HanClinto | Stew: I didn't see anything informative on the homepage as to which ones I should/shouldn't download, so I just did what made sense. |
| 13:35.48 | pablo__ | im running uot of space in my disc. is there any graphical tool that showsme which directorys/files are consuming my space? |
| 13:35.58 | sml | pablo_: what's wrong with df ? |
| 13:35.59 | pablo__ | i use sarge |
| 13:36.01 | directhex|work | HanClinto, desktop or server? |
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| 13:36.05 | HanClinto | Stew: Ah, okay. Well I'll try that, thanks. :) |
| 13:36.05 | sml | pablo_: and also "du" |
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| 13:36.45 | HanClinto | Directhex: A bit of both. A development environment for production -- eventually it'll be a pretty stable server, but it needs a GUI (both so we can develop and test, and so clients can control it later) |
| 13:36.59 | brrrt | Borgon: the moment your server starts swapping, the performance will slow down extremly leading to a unusable system |
| 13:37.16 | yosi_ | I've installed tk8.4 manually, now apt has crashed because "tk8.3: Depends: tcl8.3 (>= 8.3.5) but is not going to be installed......." |
| 13:37.44 | directhex|work | HanClinto, as long as you're fully aware of the hardware support of woody (3.0, which i presume is what your'e downloading) and the packages it supplies |
| 13:37.52 | HanClinto | Directhex: I'm currently evaluating different distros for use in this production/development environment, so I need to become an expert in Linux to make those decisions. However, I'm not very "expert" yet, and still have a very long way to go. :) |
| 13:37.55 | Borgon | brrrt, thanks but this uses lilo and i need grub |
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| 13:38.34 | HanClinto | Directhex: I have no idea actually -- I was planning on downloading then evaluating. Should I be concerned about something? |
| 13:38.39 | rj_ | "cdrecord: Device or resource busy. Cannot open SCSI driver." |
| 13:38.42 | yosi_ | I need help! apt has crashed after i installed tk8.4 manually! please help! :( |
| 13:38.51 | stew | HanClinto: when is this system going to go into production? |
| 13:38.57 | JoaoMarcus | If you work with consulting, then you're already an expert |
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| 13:39.07 | rj_ | :| dont install stuff manually |
| 13:39.36 | ricky_clarkson | yosi_: remove the stuff you installed manually (or move it to /usr/local WHERE IT BELONGS). |
| 13:39.45 | HanClinto | Directhex: Hardware support is of concern for this application, specifically with audio cards. It's a controller and content supplier for a radio exciter (basically it supplies audio for and control of a radio transmitter) |
| 13:39.55 | yosi_ | ricky_clarkson: can i remove it using dpkg? |
| 13:40.02 | Borgon | brrrt, i dont plan to let my server swap but i think its good to have it so when someone abuses i got a bit of ram to swim on |
| 13:40.02 | Borgon | Thanks for the help |
| 13:40.02 | ricky_clarkson | yosi_: dpkg doesn't know about it. |
| 13:40.04 | HanClinto | Directhex: It should go to production within 6 months |
| 13:40.04 | yosi_ | ricky_clarkson: cuz i used dpkg to install it |
| 13:40.04 | Borgon | am going to plug into the server and see |
| 13:40.07 | brrrt | Borgon: this is why alot of swap space might not help you |
| 13:40.11 | ricky_clarkson | yosi_: Ah, you didn't manually install it then. |
| 13:40.14 | sml | when you split the screen in screen how do you get an already screened process to appear in the 2nd window of the split ? |
| 13:40.27 | yosi_ | ricky_clarkson: well, i did it using dpkg :( sorry for my bad expression |
| 13:40.29 | ricky_clarkson | #screen |
| 13:40.32 | stew | sml: ^a tab to switch focus to the other split |
| 13:40.40 | sml | ok thanks stew |
| 13:40.42 | ricky_clarkson | yosi_: apt-get remove tk8.4 |
| 13:40.56 | directhex|work | HanClinto, woody has a 2.4.18 kernel as its most recent option. hardware support is from early 2002. if you want to use newer harwdare, you'll need to compile your own kernel |
| 13:41.06 | yosi_ | ricky_clarkson: same message "the files depends on another file but it is not going to be installed" |
| 13:41.26 | sml | gosh |
| 13:41.28 | ricky_clarkson | yosi_: apt-get -f install |
| 13:41.30 | arcus | Borgon: one reason for having slightly more swap than RAM is that software-suspend generally suspends to swap. Not that useful on a server, perhaps, but it might be useful if you ever want to move it... |
| 13:41.32 | HanClinto | Directhex: Ah, gotcha'. That was my fear -- is there ALSA support in Debian with 2.4.18? |
| 13:41.35 | brrrt | Borgon: when i had a memory whole in apache leading to apache eat all memory a lot of swap was not good IMHO |
| 13:41.42 | sml | you can even have to views on the same process spawned from the screen shell. |
| 13:41.48 | sml | s/to/two |
| 13:41.53 | HanClinto | Directhex: Or is it easier just to compile a 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:41.55 | yosi_ | ricky_clarkson: ah, i thought i was suppose to write apt-get -f install tk8.4, thanks man |
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| 13:42.03 | ricky_clarkson | yosi_: apt-get -f install |
| 13:42.07 | stew | HanClinto: you might consider going with sarge instead which is currently the "testing" distribution, but should be the stable distribution hopefully before 6 months. |
| 13:42.08 | ricky_clarkson | No package name. |
| 13:42.09 | directhex|work | HanClinto, i think it has alsa 0.5. and you can't use a modular 2.6 kernel on woody without backported stuff |
| 13:42.16 | Slashme | Hi! I have two machines on a network, both running debian. |
| 13:42.18 | stew | HanClinto: woody can run 2.6 out of the box |
| 13:42.19 | yosi_ | ricky_clarkson: yea, it works. thanks dude |
| 13:42.33 | Slashme | Now I want to open a window from the one machine on the other. |
| 13:42.38 | HanClinto | Stew: Oh? |
| 13:42.41 | ricky_clarkson | Slashme: ssh -X |
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| 13:42.52 | lmello | HanClinto, use debian sarge gnu/linux |
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| 13:43.02 | directhex|work | stew, no, it can't run 2.6 out of the box |
| 13:43.09 | ricky_clarkson | Durham, durham, derem derem derem derem durhammmmmmmm, de-de-de-de-da. |
| 13:43.14 | ricky_clarkson | Think Pink. |
| 13:43.15 | HanClinto | lmello: How stable is sarge atm? |
| 13:43.22 | stew | HanClinto: ooooh, i meant to say "can't run 2.6 out of the box" |
| 13:43.30 | stew | sorry, need more coffee, brb |
| 13:43.40 | directhex|work | HanClinto, stable enough for day to day use on the desktop, what it lacks is a security update infrastructure, so it's not yet siotable for forward facing servers |
| 13:43.42 | lmello | HanClinto, i use sarge at servers and at home.. |
| 13:43.51 | directhex|work | *suitable |
| 13:44.11 | HanClinto | directhex: It shouldn't ever be a public box, though at some point it might become so (in order to control transmitters remotely) |
| 13:44.26 | Slashme | I typed "xhost +desktop.blah.foo", sshed to the other one, and typed DISPLAY=laptop.blah.foo xterm. It said "Can't open display laptop.blah.foo:0" |
| 13:44.30 | HanClinto | stew: Ah, that would make a bit of a difference then. :) |
| 13:44.46 | HanClinto | lmello: And I take it it seems to work pretty well? |
| 13:44.53 | lmello | Slashme, use ssh -X user@host |
| 13:44.56 | takatumi | HanClinto: hopefully by the time you're an expert sarge will be replace woody as the stable version. |
| 13:44.58 | directhex|work | HanClinto, well, it depends on when, sarge's release has been 'real soon now' for about 6 months, it shouldn't drag on much further than that |
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| 13:45.08 | lmello | Slashme, that way u dont need to set the display env. |
| 13:45.13 | Slashme | OK, thx, will try. |
| 13:45.14 | takatumi | s/be r/r |
| 13:45.44 | HanClinto | Directhex: Hey, I like that version better than the whole "let's release it now because we said it would, just don't type this or this or this or it'll crash." I'm currently frustrated with most other distro's at the moment. |
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| 13:46.20 | dalecp | hi, all! |
| 13:46.21 | c459s | sml: For your information I dont think Nero can write .img files out of the box. (but I may just have an old version). However, renaming the .img file to .iso worked fine and Nero could burn it then :) |
| 13:46.23 | Slashme | lmello: I tried that, and I get "xterm Xt error: Can't open display:" |
| 13:46.29 | HanClinto | Directhex: The problem is getting a newer distro that has good hardware support, but finding one that's stable and is going to be supported enough in the future to be in a production environment. |
| 13:46.33 | directhex|work | HanClinto, testing or even unstable debian are more "crash stable" than most distributions. but unstable has its packages constantly changing and can break, and testing currently lacks security updates |
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| 13:46.37 | lmello | HanClinto, for the sarge release is necessary to solve all RC bugs. |
| 13:46.52 | directhex|work | lmello, sarge security is the real hold-up. |
| 13:47.18 | dalecp | anyone knows, how much ram (i mean min level) memory to run debian 3 (KDE)? |
| 13:47.22 | HanClinto | Directhex: Okay, well it sounds like it's not even worth my time to install woody. |
| 13:47.25 | HanClinto | *sigh* |
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| 13:47.29 | brrrt | when will sarge get stable? |
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| 13:47.41 | directhex|work | brrrt, when it's ready, real soon now |
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| 13:47.49 | HanClinto | Directhex: lol |
| 13:47.51 | lmello | directhex|work, there is security suport in sarge .. |
| 13:47.51 | directhex|work | !sarge pool 4 |
| 13:47.51 | dpkg | Keep 'em coming! blk=2005-01-23 <alejandro_>=2005-02-15 #perl-magic-8-ball-bot=2005-01-01 Zone=2004-11-29 karsten=2003-12-01 abrotman=2004-10-02 Guerin=2005-03-13 Kerpal=2005-01-01 FieldySnuts=2009-12-31 scarynetworkguy=2005-01-03 directhex=2004-12-25 <cantona>=2004-08-19 <cantona>=2004-8-19 andika=2005-01-31 Cit=2004-05-20 g0llum=2004-07-26 dan2=2004-06-24 bztunk=2004-09-11 obake=2004-04-31 guestish=2004-05-30 <galois>=2004-07-09 |
| 13:48.02 | lmello | the debian security team are suporting sarge ... |
| 13:48.10 | alejandro_ | damn!! |
| 13:48.13 | ricky_clarkson | !sarge pool 5 |
| 13:48.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge pool 5 is ! Joris=2005-04-07 DavidS=2005-06-30 dob=2005-03-15 RememberPOL=2005-02-16 dan2=2005-04-15 blk=2005-02-12 marinos=2005-04-31 SquareRt=2005-05-15 zumbi=2005-06-23 Anthro=2005-02-07 Amaranth=2005-01-20 jon787=1901-12-13 |
| 13:48.15 | dalecp | anyone knows, how much ram (i mean min level) memory to run debian 3 (KDE)? |
| 13:48.19 | stew | lmello: not yet they are not |
| 13:48.21 | PerfDave | dalecp: It'd probably run in 16, I've run it in 24 at uber-crawling speeds, I wouldn't recommend less than 64. |
| 13:48.21 | alejandro_ | tomorrow :( |
| 13:48.35 | brrrt | directhex|work: days weeks months? |
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| 13:48.48 | ricky_clarkson | !sarge pool 5 =~ s/$/ricky_clarkson 2005-06-11/ |
| 13:48.48 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: that doesn't contain '$' |
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| 13:49.11 | ricky_clarkson | !sarge pool 5 =~ s/jon787=1901-12-13/jon787=1901-12-13 ricky_clarkson=2005-06-11/ |
| 13:49.13 | dpkg | OK, ricky_clarkson |
| 13:49.13 | dalecp | PerfDave: thanks. I got 256 RDRAM. and 32 Geforce-2, 160GB hd, is it good enough for multimedia stuff? |
| 13:49.19 | stew | lmello: they have created some directories but haven't actually started supporting it. if you go to security.debian.org/debian-security you will find a sarge directory but it has no packages |
| 13:49.22 | ricky_clarkson | Arse. |
| 13:49.27 | directhex|work | dalecp, what kind of multimedia stuff? |
| 13:49.34 | PerfDave | dalecp: Depends on the "multimedia stuff". Sounds like a good spec htough. |
| 13:49.49 | ciphergoth | I'm having a hard time building modules against my make-kpkg-built kernel, and it seems to have to do with missing symlinks in the KSRC directory |
| 13:50.21 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: Which modules are you trying to build? Would module-assistant help? |
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| 13:50.40 | dalecp | directhex|work: before deciding to migrate to debian, i worked on winxp workstation with avid and soundforge, a little photoshop stuff, and of course lot of movie-watching. |
| 13:50.40 | ciphergoth | The stock kernel-headers packages come in two parts: an arch-specific one which depends on and symlinks into an arch-indep one |
| 13:50.41 | takatumi | ciphergoth: is your kernel-source dir symlinked to /usr/src/linux/? |
| 13:50.53 | ciphergoth | PerfDave: I'm trying to build nvidia-kernel-sources |
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| 13:51.18 | ciphergoth | It works for me with stock kernels, but I've just used make-kpkg to build my own |
| 13:51.31 | ciphergoth | and now it complains " scripts/Makefile.build: No such file or directory" |
| 13:51.33 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: Then you definitely want to be using module-assistant, it takes all the hard work out of it. /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 13:51.38 | stew | takatumi: you know you aren't supposed to create the link, right? |
| 13:51.44 | stew | s/the/that/ |
| 13:51.46 | ciphergoth | takatumi: no, I haven't |
| 13:51.58 | dalecp | \also my GF like gaming, like Ricochet etc., but it seems to work under transgaming\ |
| 13:52.06 | ciphergoth | PerfDave: thanks |
| 13:54.35 | ricky_clarkson | A confusing error message. root@ricky:~# pwd |
| 13:54.35 | ricky_clarkson | /home/ricky |
| 13:54.36 | ricky_clarkson | bash: pwd: write error: Success |
| 13:54.51 | dalecp | directhex|work: before deciding to migrate to debian, i worked on winxp workstation with avid and soundforge, a little photoshop stuff, and of course lot of movie-watching. |
| 13:55.09 | directhex|work | dalecp, i'm not convinced about running woody on a desktop |
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| 13:55.13 | shadebob | hi, |
| 13:55.14 | shadebob | I search how can i send a email with an attachment with sendmail command? |
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| 13:55.27 | ciphergoth | Module-assistant gives me exactly the same error! |
| 13:55.38 | jm_ | shadebob: either use mutt or look into mime related tools (mpack) |
| 13:55.49 | stew | shadebob: you have to properly mime encode the message then pipe it to sendmail |
| 13:55.50 | dalecp | directhex: ok, thanks. will ops ban me for asking twice? :) |
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| 13:56.02 | directhex|work | dalecp, often. or just ridicule you. |
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| 13:56.19 | Slashme | OK, so if I do: "ssh -X davelaptop", then do "xterm" and get "xterm Xt error: Can't open display:" , where do I start to look for answers? |
| 13:56.31 | ricky_clarkson | shadebob: cat /dev/random | mail george@bushfamily.com |
| 13:56.44 | ricky_clarkson | I think. |
| 13:56.44 | shadebob | ok stew : and how can I properly encode my message ? (with and jpg or pdf attachment)? |
| 13:56.58 | ricky_clarkson | shadebob: man mutt |
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| 13:57.05 | stew | Slashme: make sure x11forwarding is enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server |
| 13:57.17 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: Oh, bum. Not sure then, I've had no problems using the nvidia drivers with make-kpkg built kernels :( |
| 13:57.32 | ciphergoth | PerfDave: are you looking at such a system right now? |
| 13:57.36 | shadebob | rocky_clarkson : it's not for a human interraction, it's for an hylafax script |
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| 13:58.05 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: I'm afraid not. I stopped using home-rolled kernels when I reinstalled my Sid box with Sarge, and have been happy with Debian's kernel-image packages ever since. |
| 13:58.07 | ciphergoth | PerfDave: when you make-kpkg yourself a kernel, do you install the kernel-headers package thus generated, and use that for your KSRC |
| 13:58.07 | stew | shadebob: from the command line? i'm not sure, i always use perl/python/whatever for that i'd listen to ricky_clarkson |
| 13:58.17 | uince | Wich program can i use to convert an .eps file in a .fig file???? |
| 13:58.30 | ciphergoth | PerfDave: I rarely use home-rolled kernels, but there's a patch that I have to have for my PVR! |
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| 13:58.44 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: I don't recall having to do anything like that. |
| 13:58.46 | ricky_clarkson | !rocky_clarkson |
| 13:58.46 | dpkg | rocky_clarkson is probably a tpyo |
| 13:59.05 | ciphergoth | PerfDave: do you remember what you did use for KSRC? |
| 13:59.20 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: I don't recall having to set KSRC, but I did tend to have a symlink from /usr/src/linux to my kernel source. |
| 13:59.27 | PerfDave | uince: imagemagick might be able to help, particularly the "convert" utility. |
| 13:59.27 | ciphergoth | PerfDave: ah |
| 13:59.28 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ...and here I was thinking he was a washed-up pop singer. |
| 13:59.42 | ciphergoth | I get a different error when I try setting KSRC to point at my actual build directory |
| 13:59.44 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: This is probably the wrong way to do it, but it worked. |
| 13:59.48 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: I try to hide that part of my past. |
| 14:00.03 | karsten | uince: There are also some various PS utils in one of the PS packages. |
| 14:00.14 | arcus | it's my fond hope one day to be a washed-up pop singer... |
| 14:00.24 | rrohde | how does one add a LPRNG printer via commandline under Debian? |
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| 14:01.15 | Slashme | stew: I now have it as X11Forwarding yes, but still no cigar. |
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| 14:01.20 | arcus | karsten: :] |
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| 14:01.24 | karsten | uince: Um. How do you mean "in a .fig file"? |
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| 14:01.38 | stew | Slashme: did you restart the server |
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| 14:01.45 | ciphergoth | Now mysteriously works when I point directly at my kernel sources. I suspect a bug in make-kpkg |
| 14:01.49 | karsten | arcus: You'll have to supply your own mic. |
| 14:02.02 | Slashme | stew: Aah, good point. |
| 14:02.06 | ciphergoth | Slashme: is your DISPLAY environment variable set at both ends of the conection? |
| 14:02.38 | blowfish | there is an eta when php4 will be updated? |
| 14:02.39 | stew | ciphergoth: if it were stup correctly then he should have to touch that |
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| 14:02.52 | ciphergoth | stew: agreed, but it's the first thign to test |
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| 14:03.18 | ricky_clarkson | Does a cold sore feel warm? |
| 14:03.35 | stew | ricky_clarkson: it itches |
| 14:03.44 | Slashme | ciphergoth: That's what xterm -X is supposed to do automagically (according to the manpage.) |
| 14:04.03 | ciphergoth | Slashme: you mean ssh -X |
| 14:04.19 | ciphergoth | indeed it is - I'm asking to help diagnose the problem. |
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| 14:06.06 | ciphergoth | OK, a new question. gdm can automatically log a user in on startup. When their session ends, gdm shows a login prompt. I just want it to log them right back in again... any ideas? |
| 14:06.18 | ciphergoth | or can xdm do this? |
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| 14:06.36 | directhex|work | ciphergoth, you can set gdm to automatically log in user X after a timeout |
| 14:06.47 | ciphergoth | directhex|work: so just set the timeout to zero? |
| 14:06.55 | directhex|work | set it low, not sure if 0 works |
| 14:06.57 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: I think that kdm can do what you want also. |
| 14:06.59 | takatumi | stew: can't remember where I read it or why? but I did have problems without the symlink for something, probably some third party module. |
| 14:07.03 | directhex|work | PerfDave, yes, it can]# |
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| 14:07.29 | stew | takatumi: if so, that 3rd party thing was broken. it says right in the kernel README not to do it, just fyi... |
| 14:07.45 | takatumi | stew: yes, I've read that. |
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| 14:08.11 | c459s | hm, I just dont get this. How can one make a bootable cd rom out of these files: debian-cd_info.tar.gz, initrd.gz, initrd.list, vmlinuz? (located at /linux/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/20041118/images/cdrom/2.6/) |
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| 14:08.36 | ur8up | How do I get my usb external drive to show up after I reboot each time? |
| 14:08.46 | slashme | OK, I restarted the X server, and still get "xterm Xt error: Can't open display:" |
| 14:08.46 | KillerBunny | c459s, why do you want to do that? |
| 14:09.15 | c459s | KillerBunny: I want to try the cdrom installation for debian sarge. |
| 14:09.20 | ricky_clarkson | slashme: Is this still the ssh -X thing? |
| 14:09.27 | KillerBunny | Ohh there is a normal iso for that. |
| 14:09.34 | slashme | ricky_clarkson: Yes. |
| 14:09.35 | ricky_clarkson | slashme: Do you get any errors or warnings when you connect? |
| 14:09.39 | ciphergoth | A-ha! TimedLogin is what I want |
| 14:09.46 | slashme | ricky_clarkson: No, all normal. |
| 14:09.51 | takatumi | stew: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html (section 3.3) |
| 14:10.03 | ricky_clarkson | slashme: You might need to enable X forwarding in your sshd - guessing dpkg-reconfigure ssh or sshd |
| 14:10.06 | ciphergoth | except that they've built in idiotic hard-wired limits on what values the variables are allowed to have |
| 14:10.13 | saerdna | where can i download a iso of debian sid? |
| 14:10.16 | ciphergoth | " This is the delay before the TimedLogin user will be logged in. It must be greater then or equal to 10." |
| 14:10.20 | ricky_clarkson | saerdna: From heaven. |
| 14:10.20 | KillerBunny | c459s, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:10.25 | simonrvn | saerdna: you don't |
| 14:10.27 | ciphergoth | " If the user uses the keyboard or browses the menus, the timeout will be reset to TimedLoginDelay or 30 seconds, whichever is higher." |
| 14:10.31 | slashme | ricky_clarkson I have already done that in /etc/sshd/sshd_config. |
| 14:10.31 | KillerBunny | just pick a net install or something. |
| 14:10.32 | ciphergoth | Eejits. |
| 14:10.33 | ricky_clarkson | saerdna: Debian sid is too mobile. |
| 14:10.45 | saerdna | mobile? |
| 14:10.51 | ricky_clarkson | saerdna: It's always changing. |
| 14:10.57 | jethro | only suites for laptops and handelds |
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| 14:11.01 | saerdna | well |
| 14:11.07 | ricky_clarkson | saerdna: It's like trying to copy a living insect. |
| 14:11.12 | slashme | I mean /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:11.14 | saerdna | who said i didnt use a laptop? |
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| 14:11.21 | jethro | saerdna: I was joking |
| 14:11.23 | takatumi | stew: also read the last part of this. /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.headers |
| 14:11.25 | saerdna | ricky_clarkson: okey its not finished? |
| 14:11.29 | slashme | saerdna Haha! |
| 14:11.39 | ricky_clarkson | saerdna: Debian sid is never supposed to be finished. |
| 14:11.46 | jethro | saerdna: Still In Development |
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| 14:11.52 | saerdna | okey |
| 14:12.00 | saerdna | now i understand |
| 14:12.01 | PerfDave | !tell saerdna about sid faq |
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| 14:12.16 | c459s | KillerBunny: Oh, thanks :) |
| 14:12.20 | ciphergoth | PerfDave: how do you configure kdm to do this? Can't see it in http://docs.kde.org/en/3.1/kdebase/kdm/Configuring-kdm.html |
| 14:12.44 | macnetic | backports.org is considered a trustworthy site, yes? |
| 14:12.59 | uince | how can i modify *.eps immages???? |
| 14:13.02 | simonrvn | jethro: sid does not mean "still in development" |
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| 14:13.02 | saerdna | when sarge goes stable the current sid of that time will make the new testing? |
| 14:13.03 | takatumi | macnetic: why do you need that with sarge? |
| 14:13.18 | macnetic | not running sarge |
| 14:13.27 | blowfish | question : currently i;m running sid and i wana switch to sarge how can i do this? |
| 14:13.29 | takatumi | saerdna: men may come, men may go, but sid will always be sid. |
| 14:13.30 | blowfish | complete reinstall? |
| 14:13.35 | directhex|work | blowfish, yes. |
| 14:13.40 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: Control Centre -> Login Manager -> Convenience tab, "Enable Auto-Login" should do it. Not sure about 3.1, I've got 3.3 here. |
| 14:13.43 | saerdna | takatumi: well. i meant a copy |
| 14:13.47 | saerdna | of course |
| 14:13.51 | jethro | simonrvn: see sid, it says commonly and wrongly, I m part of the common and wrong |
| 14:13.52 | blowfish | directhex|work thanks |
| 14:14.02 | simonrvn | jethro: :) |
| 14:14.02 | directhex|work | 3.1? who's not on debian then? |
| 14:14.12 | jethro | simonrvn: now even if it's wrong, I guess it gives a clear picture of how sid is a moving target |
| 14:14.21 | saerdna | but, isnt x.org in debian unstable? |
| 14:14.30 | PerfDave | saerdna: When sarge goes stable, packages from sid will go into etch instead of into sarge. |
| 14:14.30 | jharrisonwk | no |
| 14:14.37 | directhex|work | saerdna, no, it isn't |
| 14:14.40 | PerfDave | saerdna: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 14:14.50 | ciphergoth | ah... |
| 14:14.59 | simonrvn | jethro: it was meant as that, but people started taking it as literally true and serious, instead of as a joke. hence the factoid was modified |
| 14:15.08 | jethro | ok |
| 14:15.11 | ciphergoth | directhex|work: just used the first appropriate Google hit for "kdm" |
| 14:15.16 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: I'm also not sure that it'd work on logout, but it would make sense. |
| 14:15.44 | saerdna | okey so ill wait for the testing distro that will come when sarge goes stable |
| 14:16.33 | ur8up | How do I get my usb external drive to show up after I reboot each time? |
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| 14:17.07 | ciphergoth | cool. OK, got to go do some work - thanks all! |
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| 14:19.19 | zerox | !apt ext2 > ext3 |
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| 14:19.42 | rituraj | i am have a patch for sata_sis ....how do i patch the driver? |
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| 14:19.54 | rituraj | do i patch sata_sis.c? |
| 14:20.00 | rituraj | and then compile it? |
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| 14:20.07 | directhex|work | rituraj, yes |
| 14:20.07 | zerox | !apt ext2 > ext3 |
| 14:20.07 | xerox | Hi! How is subversion/svn called under debian? |
| 14:20.07 | slashme | /quit |
| 14:20.15 | PerfDave | xerox: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:20.26 | rituraj | gcc sata_sis.c doesnt work |
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| 14:20.44 | rituraj | gives a lot of errors |
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| 14:20.58 | elirips | hello people. why does exim come with the standard installation of debian? is that needed by any other programm? i don't need it, so i'm thinking about removing it.. but i'm not sure if it isn't needed by anything else.. |
| 14:21.06 | directhex|work | rituraj, you can't just do it like that. you need to use the kernel's makefile |
| 14:21.11 | lewis | hey there - i am using spamassassin/clam/exim4-heavy - where do I need to look to limit the size of e-mails being spam/virus scanned? |
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| 14:21.32 | rituraj | directhex: How do i do it? |
| 14:21.34 | takatumi | elirips: you'll need an MTA |
| 14:21.38 | SlayerXP | lewis: in the exiscan docs, where it's clearly documented |
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| 14:21.41 | simonrvn | here we go with "why do i need an mta?" questions |
| 14:21.43 | xerox | PerfDave, seems to not exsist, is it possible? |
| 14:22.01 | ricky_clarkson | I got away without an MTA for ages. |
| 14:22.16 | directhex|work | rituraj, recompile the whole kernel with make-kpkg |
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| 14:22.24 | arcus | xerox: it exists. |
| 14:22.26 | lewis | SlayerXP: thanks |
| 14:22.36 | zerox | how do i upgrade from ext2 to ext3 ? |
| 14:22.41 | xerox | arcus, I can't find it, can you explain me how? |
| 14:22.44 | leonel | Sarge where are you come out come out wherever you are ! |
| 14:22.58 | arcus | xerox: the package name is 'subversion'. |
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| 14:23.05 | takatumi | leonel: how many bugs have you fixed today? |
| 14:23.09 | wishie | where can i get info on how to use 'for' ? |
| 14:23.18 | leonel | takatumi: 6 and you ? |
| 14:23.22 | rituraj | directhex: is that a debian related feature? i am using LFS ....make-kpkg is used for what /under which option can i find it? |
| 14:23.27 | elirips | takatumi: what for? |
| 14:23.35 | pwned | I installed some qt programs, they all use the same ugly grey default theme. How can I find out how to change it? |
| 14:23.41 | arcus | xerox: you may also want subversion-tools, mabye websvn |
| 14:23.46 | wishie | zerox: create the journal, then mount as ext3 |
| 14:23.47 | xerox | arcus, it doesn't come up in apt-cache search subversion |
| 14:23.54 | ecko | pwned: I'd like to know that too |
| 14:23.55 | xerox | arcus, I only need the client now |
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| 14:23.59 | lewis | SlayerXP: here, right? http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan-acl/exiscan-acl-spec.txt |
| 14:24.06 | arcus | xerox: does when I do it. |
| 14:24.08 | SlayerXP | lewis: yes |
| 14:24.10 | zerox | wishie how do i create journal _ |
| 14:24.17 | xerox | arcus, okay thanks. |
| 14:24.22 | wishie | tun2fs -j /dev/hda1 or whatever |
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| 14:24.25 | wishie | i think |
| 14:24.28 | wishie | man tune2fs :) |
| 14:24.32 | directhex|work | tune2fs |
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| 14:24.43 | wishie | tune2fs i meant, yeah |
| 14:24.44 | wishie | typo |
| 14:24.47 | stew | takatumi: intersting, thanks! |
| 14:25.11 | rituraj | directhex: how do i compile it? is that a debian related feature? i am using LFS ....make-kpkg is used for what /under which option can i find it? |
| 14:25.19 | PerfDave | xerox: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:25.20 | wishie | where abouts can i find info on how to use 'for' in bash scripting ? |
| 14:25.29 | xerox | PerfDave, stable |
| 14:25.41 | zerox | &quit |
| 14:25.57 | eder_ | hi, iam spanish, me question is: ¿What can I print something in console? |
| 14:25.59 | directhex|work | rituraj, ask #lfs, i give debian solutions in here. |
| 14:26.02 | PerfDave | xerox: It doesn't appear to be in stable, you might want to look at http://www.backports.org/ or backport it yourself. |
| 14:26.04 | luulis | wishie: tldp.org probably has some bash scripting tutorial |
| 14:26.11 | stew | !spanish |
| 14:26.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:26.23 | rituraj | directhex: ok thanks :) |
| 14:26.28 | arcus | xerox: I think I got mine from testing... |
| 14:26.52 | eder_ | ok |
| 14:27.21 | ricky_clarkson | eder_: echo something |
| 14:27.32 | takatumi | stew: however, to complete the discussion :) http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-compile |
| 14:27.45 | eder_ | richy_clarkson i want print in printer |
| 14:27.53 | ricky_clarkson | !richy_clarkson |
| 14:28.03 | wishie | hmm |
| 14:28.05 | ricky_clarkson | !richy_clarkson is <see>rocky_clarkson |
| 14:28.05 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
| 14:28.12 | leonel | hello stew |
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| 14:28.14 | wishie | i want to do a for loop for 1,2,3,4,5 etc, but from 1-90 |
| 14:28.22 | wishie | how can i specify from 1 to 90 ? |
| 14:28.25 | ricky_clarkson | wishie: for a in `seq 1 90` |
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| 14:28.40 | arcus | I'm going to sleep. 'night. |
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| 14:28.51 | wishie | ricky_clarkson: thanks |
| 14:28.55 | ricky_clarkson | de nada |
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| 14:30.27 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: I did the <url></url> type btw |
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| 14:30.55 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: is it integrated into dpkg yet? |
| 14:31.23 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: not even submitted yet, but proved to work on my bot :) |
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| 14:32.02 | stew | on that note, i started on a web interface to blootbot: dpkg.vireo.or |
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| 14:32.08 | stew | org* |
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| 14:32.28 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Where's the patch for javabot? |
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| 14:32.39 | jethro | I said I won't do it :) |
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| 14:32.51 | jethro | java ain't my cup of kaffee |
| 14:33.29 | ricky_clarkson | Perl is a $_@% language. |
| 14:33.34 | greycat | ah, the Wiki is back. |
| 14:33.35 | ricky_clarkson | Perl is the root of all eval. |
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| 14:33.40 | jethro | yes |
| 14:33.41 | jethro | :) |
| 14:34.19 | ricky_clarkson | Perl doesn't even know how to do perl jam or perl -jam |
| 14:34.35 | HanClinto | So anyway, I understand now that I probably don't need debian-30r4-i386-binary-4.iso, but is there someone I should tell that I think the jigdo for it is broken? |
| 14:34.36 | greycat | dpkg, faq =~ s/debian-faq/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:34.36 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 14:34.41 | HanClinto | I've tried three times now, and each time I've gotten the exact same tmp file that says it's missing 1 file out of 1300 or something. |
| 14:34.47 | HanClinto | All of the other jigdos worked though. |
| 14:34.53 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: faq (.*?) =~ s/debian-faq/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:34.54 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 14:34.54 | HanClinto | I realize I can always just go to a mirror if I need the .iso myself, this is just about seeing if something's broken or not for others. |
| 14:36.04 | greycat | is jigdo even still officially supported for sarge? |
| 14:36.14 | directhex|work | greycat, is the wiki pornless now? |
| 14:36.21 | greycat | directhex|work: the front page is restored and "immutable" |
| 14:36.27 | greycat | directhex|work: I haven't checked the other pages |
| 14:36.38 | ur8up | irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:37.46 | ricky_clarkson | What, the wiki got hacked? |
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| 14:38.02 | abrotman | greycat: how is tarzeau keeping it from getting trashed again? |
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| 14:38.08 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it was porn-link-spammed for a while |
| 14:38.18 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: by spam |
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| 14:38.24 | greycat | abrotman: Immutable page [current page size 16585 bytes] (last edited 2005-02-12 16:42:38 by GurkanSengun) |
| 14:38.30 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:38.35 | abrotman | i think |
| 14:39.03 | abrotman | greycat: so the under pages with spam still are there? |
| 14:39.09 | ricky_clarkson | Can I still get at the porn links? ;) |
| 14:39.19 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, it was all hentai |
| 14:39.29 | ricky_clarkson | !hentai |
| 14:39.44 | greycat | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Debian_20GNU/Linux is a bit odd. |
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| 14:40.26 | ricky_clarkson | Looks like Portuguese to me. |
| 14:40.36 | FieldySnuts | do tell me they found out who did it and got them in trouble |
| 14:40.56 | sbalneav | Hello. I'm with the LTSP project. We're wondering if there's a way to "bootstrap" debian into another directory tree, so that it can be exported to a diskless client as a root directory. I.e., we'd like to install glibc, busybox, etc etc into /opt/ltsp/i386 then NFS export that as a root directory for a diskless client. Can anyone point me in the right directory? |
| 14:41.07 | sbalneav | s/directory/direction/ |
| 14:41.14 | ricky_clarkson | "Debian is a free distribution ... unreadable Portuguese stuff." |
| 14:41.22 | directhex|work | sbalneav, dbootstrap |
| 14:41.57 | ricky_clarkson | Actually debootstrap |
| 14:42.09 | sbalneav | googling now... |
| 14:42.17 | ricky_clarkson | !debootstrap |
| 14:42.17 | dpkg | methinks debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
| 14:42.28 | directhex|work | sbalneav, sorry, debootstrap. e.g. "debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /var/chroot/strappy ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian" |
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| 14:43.30 | sbalneav | Thanks, exactly what I was looking for! |
| 14:43.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: password protection |
| 14:43.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: yay .. you're such a smart pickle! :) |
| 14:44.36 | tarzeau | greycat: Your account is greycat? |
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| 14:44.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: and yours abrotman ? (i think capital letters matter) |
| 14:44.49 | greycat | tarzeau: I don't think I ever made one. I always just edited it without logging in. |
| 14:45.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: my password? |
| 14:45.10 | tarzeau | you can create an accound now, top right and set some unimportant password |
| 14:45.12 | takatumi | tarzeau: see, that's what I thought as well. |
| 14:45.17 | ricky_clarkson | My password is `mkpasswd` |
| 14:45.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not sure i've ever changed anything on the wiki |
| 14:45.18 | ricky_clarkson | Damn. |
| 14:45.27 | tarzeau | well without password some idiots spam it |
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| 14:45.36 | abrotman | password is good |
| 14:45.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: then you probably don't need an account :) |
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| 14:45.45 | abrotman | hopefully keeps stupid people from adding dumb stuff :) |
| 14:45.48 | greycat | tarzeau: top right of *what*? |
| 14:45.50 | simonrvn | i stuck in a password. i think i remember it |
| 14:45.53 | tarzeau | greycat: one second |
| 14:45.59 | takatumi | aren't we all talking about this link? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:46.18 | tarzeau | greycat: UserPreferences |
| 14:46.18 | greycat | by the way, whoever wanted to see some spam links, they're all over http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UserPreferences |
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| 14:46.28 | Guyzmo | Hi, is there a simple way to repair broken depencies in debian ? I don't have time to reinstall from scratch my debian, but I'd rather reset it... |
| 14:46.38 | ricky_clarkson | Guyzmo: apt-get -f install |
| 14:46.39 | abrotman | how did you break it ? |
| 14:46.49 | simonrvn | Guyzmo: yes. patience |
| 14:46.51 | Guyzmo | ricky_clarkson - when even apt-get -f install fails |
| 14:46.57 | jm_ | guys;use dpkg |
| 14:46.58 | csorrell | I have a debian installation on a server, and i apt-get installed x-windows-system..what do I need to do to run programs remotely on my desktop?...I don't have a monitor/keyboard/mouse on the server |
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| 14:47.01 | jm_ | Guyzmo: use dpkg |
| 14:47.06 | ricky_clarkson | Guyzmo: how does it fail? |
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| 14:47.23 | Guyzmo | [disclaimer: yes, I'm using unstable :)] |
| 14:47.32 | leonel | csorrell: just install those programs on the server |
| 14:47.44 | csorrell | leonel: i did...but they wont run, says an error with my display |
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| 14:47.47 | Guyzmo | when configuring libc6, it says : dpkg not recorded as installed, cannot check for epoch support ! |
| 14:47.54 | leonel | csorrell: from your workstation logon with ssh -X |
| 14:47.55 | takatumi | tarzeau: here? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UserPreferences (lots of spam, like this http://worldwide.php5.sk/anna-nicole-smith-pictures.html) |
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| 14:48.00 | csorrell | leonel: i do |
| 14:48.15 | abrotman | takatumi is a channel spammer!!! |
| 14:48.25 | takatumi | abrotman: yay! |
| 14:48.28 | ricky_clarkson | Guyzmo: Have you looked at the libc part of bugs.debian.org? |
| 14:48.29 | greycat | Guyzmo: extract "dpkg" by hand from its .deb and then use it to reinstall the "dpkg*.deb" file that you extracted it out of. |
| 14:48.35 | takatumi | !takatumi++ |
| 14:48.44 | Guyzmo | ricky_clarkson - nope |
| 14:48.46 | leonel | csorrell: or enable X11 forwarding on /etc/ssh |
| 14:48.49 | ricky_clarkson | Guyzmo: Go on then. |
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| 14:48.52 | simonrvn | you can't add karma for yourself |
| 14:48.58 | csorrell | leonel: does X need to be started on the server? |
| 14:49.00 | Guyzmo | ricky_clarkson - haven't thought about that... |
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| 14:49.03 | Guyzmo | ricky_clarkson - thanks |
| 14:49.04 | takatumi | simonrvn: really? ;) |
| 14:49.13 | takatumi | !karma takatumi |
| 14:49.13 | Guyzmo | greycat - I'll try that too, thanks :) |
| 14:49.13 | dpkg | takatumi has neutral karma |
| 14:49.23 | takatumi | hmm, I guess so. |
| 14:49.32 | ricky_clarkson | Guyzmo: Hang on. You're a sid user, who, erm, doesn't use the BTS? Do you own a pistol that can be aimed at your own head? Or computer. |
| 14:49.35 | csorrell | leonel: seems like its giving me issue cause i dont have a KVM on the server |
| 14:49.37 | greycat | Guyzmo: if you *really* broke things, you may have to just reinstall. Hard to say at this point. |
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| 14:49.57 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: don't shoot his computer! it didn't do anything wrong! |
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| 14:50.08 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: It would solve *his* problem though. |
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| 14:50.10 | Rammstein_fan | BANN ME |
| 14:50.12 | Rammstein_fan | BANN ME |
| 14:50.14 | Rammstein_fan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:50.17 | Rammstein_fan | BANN ME |
| 14:50.20 | FUF | .. |
| 14:50.20 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: no, it wouldn't. he'd still be walking around consuming oxygen. |
| 14:50.20 | Rammstein_fan | BANN ME |
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| 14:50.23 | takatumi | ----> |
| 14:50.25 | simonrvn | ffs at least spell it correctly |
| 14:50.26 | *** kick/#debian [Rammstein_fan!~wooledg@192.35.79.70] by greycat (greycat) |
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| 14:50.42 | FUF | strange, strange people. |
| 14:50.44 | Guyzmo | ricky_clarkson - I needed for my work's project to backport a package, and when I realized that I forgot to change sources |
| 14:50.46 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: /kick Ramm... get a speeling chekker |
| 14:50.54 | R1ck | he did that in #gentoo too |
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| 14:51.04 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: heh heh heh |
| 14:51.08 | Guyzmo | I tried a dist-upgrade... which [obviously] failed |
| 14:51.17 | greycat | I wonder whose computer he's taken over temporarily. |
| 14:51.23 | *** mode/#Debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 14:51.23 | St0n3-C0l | Everytime I reboot, Everytime I need to put my DNS IP in "/etc/resolv.conf" |
| 14:51.28 | csorrell | leonel: for some reason its not setting my DISPLAY env |
| 14:51.36 | greycat | St0n3-C0l: PPPOE? DHCP? |
| 14:51.48 | leonel | csorrell: with X11 forwarding should be done |
| 14:51.56 | greycat | csorrell: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 14:52.06 | St0n3-C0l | how do i fix that ? |
| 14:52.09 | Guyzmo | St0n3-C0l - man interfaces |
| 14:52.15 | greycat | Guyzmo: unlikely.... |
| 14:52.15 | St0n3-C0l | greycat: DHCP |
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| 14:52.23 | abrotman | fix dhcp server :) |
| 14:52.29 | St0n3-C0l | It was okay before but from fewdays its behaving like this |
| 14:52.29 | greycat | St0n3-C0l: your DHCP server is supposed to spit out the DNS server addresses. |
| 14:52.39 | greycat | St0n3-C0l: call your ISP and ask them to fix it |
| 14:52.51 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
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| 14:53.22 | ricky_clarkson | St0n3-C0l: I find that lol doesn't work very well on the phone. |
| 14:53.29 | DaHooD | Hi |
| 14:53.31 | Guyzmo | St0n3-C0l - anyway, if you don't have access to your DHCP server |
| 14:53.36 | ricky_clarkson | "Hi, my connection is knackered hahahahaha" |
| 14:53.40 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it might convince them that he's a Windows user, though, and not some unsupported Linux user |
| 14:53.49 | Guyzmo | you can have a look to interfaces |
| 14:53.51 | stew | St0n3-C0l: until they fix it, you can fix it with dhclient.conf, or by adding an up line to interfaces |
| 14:53.54 | St0n3-C0l | I know |
| 14:53.56 | St0n3-C0l | I've LAN |
| 14:53.59 | greycat | Guyzmo: you can have a clue. too bad you don't. |
| 14:54.05 | simonrvn | customer: "lol" phone person from ISP: "lol? you spend too much time on AOL, sir." |
| 14:54.19 | DaHooD | can anyone help me, i get the following errorline but mysqld.sock is still there: "postfix/trivial-rewrite[21703]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' " |
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| 14:54.44 | St0n3-C0l | haha |
| 14:55.00 | ricky_clarkson | Can you telephone from an aeroplane? |
| 14:55.07 | simonrvn | yes |
| 14:55.13 | ricky_clarkson | Everyone can tell a phone from an aeroplane, can't they? |
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| 14:55.15 | asg | DaHooD: is mysql even running? anything in the err.log? |
| 14:55.16 | xerox | If you have the signal :D |
| 14:55.19 | simonrvn | airliners anyway |
| 14:55.36 | takatumi | asg! |
| 14:55.39 | asg | takatumi: morning |
| 14:55.52 | simonrvn | @wb asg |
| 14:55.53 | ravenbird | Welcome back asg, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 14:56.02 | takatumi | asg: evenin' 'ere |
| 14:56.04 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
| 14:56.06 | St0n3-C0l | I am getting some packages for DHCP from apt |
| 14:56.07 | St0n3-C0l | :P |
| 14:56.12 | DaHooD | asg: yes, i can access mysql via console and phpmyadmin |
| 14:56.13 | asg | takatumi: of course |
| 14:56.25 | ur8up | How do I have woody mount my usb maxtor drive when I reboot? |
| 14:56.28 | asg | DaHooD: hmmm, and nothing in the mysql error logs? |
| 14:56.44 | DaHooD | hmm mom |
| 14:56.45 | takatumi | St0n3-C0l: what's with the l33t nick? |
| 14:57.05 | St0n3-C0l | nothin :P |
| 14:57.09 | ricky_clarkson | AO Luser. |
| 14:57.17 | takatumi | !nickometer St0n3-C0l |
| 14:57.18 | dpkg | 'St0n3-C0l' is 99.9126% lame, takatumi |
| 14:57.21 | Guyzmo | greycat - what you mean ? |
| 14:57.28 | ricky_clarkson | !nickometer 1337 |
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| 14:57.40 | ricky_clarkson | = 14:57:37 <dpkg> the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for 1337 is 63.000%, ricky_clarkson |
| 14:57.43 | St0n3-C0l | the same goes to you :P |
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| 14:57.49 | tarzeau | how can i get rid of all evolution configuration (stable)? |
| 14:57.51 | bl1nk | $ sleep 15m && echo hello world |
| 14:58.00 | tarzeau | removing .gnome and evolution/ didn't help |
| 14:58.08 | takatumi | tarzeau: switch to mutt :P |
| 14:58.20 | DaHooD | asg: nothing in mysql/error.log ... |
| 14:58.26 | tarzeau | takatumi: haha, you think *i* use that crap? i'm not a sadist |
| 14:58.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: i bet there's stuff in gconf .. ask #gnome or #evolution |
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| 14:58.48 | takatumi | tarzeau: *sigh* |
| 14:58.50 | tarzeau | 15:58 [gnu] -!- Cannot join to channel #gnome (You have joined to too many channels) |
| 14:58.53 | tarzeau | crap |
| 14:59.02 | asg | DaHooD: is postfix trying to run a chroot? if so, /var/run/... will not be the same |
| 14:59.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: on irc.gnome.org |
| 14:59.10 | asg | DaHooD: or at least the trivial-rewrite daemon |
| 14:59.14 | takatumi | tarzeau: what's the count today? |
| 14:59.16 | lotusleaf | "If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!" |
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| 14:59.19 | DaHooD | asg: no chroot |
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| 14:59.29 | DaHooD | asg: normal installation |
| 14:59.36 | tarzeau | takatumi: 78 |
| 14:59.38 | simonrvn | lotusleaf: that quote sucks |
| 14:59.51 | Phated | Harsh... |
| 14:59.54 | takatumi | tarzeau: pushing the envelope eh? |
| 15:00.02 | lotusleaf | simonrvn: thanks grumpy smurf ;) |
| 15:00.04 | DaHooD | asg: moment i will post the complete error |
| 15:00.30 | simonrvn | me, grumpy? i happen to like butterflies and flowers. |
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| 15:00.47 | abrotman | simonrvn: but you're a 5 year old girl |
| 15:00.47 | asg | DaHooD: right but postfix selectively chroots certain daemons |
| 15:01.06 | takatumi | simonrvn: you sounded grumpy on the d-d list :P |
| 15:01.10 | simonrvn | abrotman: what dju say unca abrotman ? |
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| 15:01.21 | abrotman | simonrvn: you're going on timeout! |
| 15:01.28 | asg | grrr |
| 15:01.30 | asg | !kill the boss |
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| 15:01.40 | abrotman | asg: wanna trade? |
| 15:01.57 | simonrvn | abrotman: why? dinnt do anything wrong :( |
| 15:02.13 | asg | abrotman: dunno yet, I'll let you know in a bit when I find out what he's on about. |
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| 15:02.22 | abrotman | asg: or what he's on ? |
| 15:02.28 | abrotman | simonrvn: because i said so! |
| 15:02.38 | saerdna | aragorn |
| 15:03.07 | DaHooD | asg: got it? |
| 15:03.14 | simonrvn | abrotman: not good enough reason. |
| 15:03.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: apparently you've never met my parents :) |
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| 15:05.33 | stew | wow, mplayer got uploaded to debian! |
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| 15:05.46 | simonrvn | stew: in which universe? |
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| 15:05.48 | takatumi | stew: non-free? |
| 15:06.02 | stew | simonrvn: i'm reading d-d |
| 15:06.23 | CosmoDad | what package(s) do I need to install to get decent fonts in X? |
| 15:06.25 | stew | takatumi: not sure |
| 15:06.36 | abrotman | stew: url |
| 15:07.10 | abrotman | stew: nm .. found it |
| 15:07.10 | greycat | CosmoDad: sorry, we only have indecent fonts. And lewd ones, too. |
| 15:07.37 | asuffield | fornication! |
| 15:07.43 | CosmoDad | greycat: I pity you :) |
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| 15:08.03 | takatumi | !asuffield++ |
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| 15:08.05 | stew | message from d-d was sent today, its not in the archives yet |
| 15:08.07 | Blissex | CosmoDad: you probably want the Bitstream Vera fonts and the MS web fonts (msttcorefons is the name of the package that installs them IIRC) |
| 15:08.09 | St0n3-C0l | I fixed my one problem and got another one :P |
| 15:08.23 | St0n3-C0l | my IP address suddenly changed :P |
| 15:08.30 | asuffield | stew: that idiot uses numbers instead of letters in his name. he uploads mplayer every couple of months. we've all more or less stopped paying any attention to him now |
| 15:08.31 | takatumi | St0n3-C0l: but your nick's still the same. |
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| 15:08.36 | Blissex | CosmoDad: also make sure that you install all three (misc, 100 dpi and 75 dpi) base font packages. |
| 15:08.38 | abrotman | stew: i see it .. could it be true? |
| 15:08.40 | greycat | takatumi: (unfortunately) |
| 15:08.46 | St0n3-C0l | what nick u want me to keep ? |
| 15:08.47 | CosmoDad | Blissex: alriht |
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| 15:08.52 | St0n3-C0l | takatumi :P |
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| 15:09.26 | sander__ | Howdy, how can I remove a partially installed package without removing the actual installed package (i.e. xserver) would that be dpkg -r? |
| 15:09.26 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:09.26 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:09.38 | t-dub | There is a debate at my work if we want to use Debian or Slackware. I personally like Debian, but is there any advantage to using Debian over Slack? |
| 15:09.52 | St0n3-C0l | t-dub: apt-get :P |
| 15:09.57 | t-dub | yeah |
| 15:10.05 | t-dub | thats why I like it so much |
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| 15:10.14 | stew | asuffield: ahh, interesting |
| 15:10.28 | St0n3-C0l | Slackware is also very powerful and stable Distribution |
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| 15:10.41 | abrotman | stew: oh well .. your hopes are dashed |
| 15:10.55 | t-dub | isnt Debian very powerful and stable? |
| 15:11.10 | St0n3-C0l | it is :P |
| 15:11.22 | St0n3-C0l | did i said its not ?? |
| 15:11.28 | Blissex | t-dub: Slackware is more for do-it-myself people, Debian is more for people who expect some degree of automation in things like updates and configuration. |
| 15:11.29 | stew | abrotman: oh well, no big loss, just thought it was interesting |
| 15:11.30 | abrotman | hrm ... this isn't working .. grrr |
| 15:11.38 | abrotman | stew: totem! |
| 15:11.40 | lilalinux | Hey guys |
| 15:11.47 | stew | abrotman: marillat! :) |
| 15:11.52 | St0n3-C0l | Blissex: Good one :P |
| 15:11.54 | Blissex | t-dub: for corporate use Debian might be somewhat more suitable because of that degree of automation. |
| 15:11.55 | t-dub | well put blissex |
| 15:11.58 | abrotman | stew: ok |
| 15:12.22 | t-dub | i think I will make that my argument. |
| 15:12.30 | St0n3-C0l | eh |
| 15:12.35 | St0n3-C0l | yeah for ur work Debian :P |
| 15:12.44 | Blissex | t-dub: also, Debian is backed by a foundation that gives it organizational robustness, and Slackware is backed primarily by a very dedicated guy, who is unfortunately mortal. |
| 15:13.02 | lilalinux | I want to `dpkg -i kitchensync-kornholioa08.deb` but "kitchensync-08 conflicts with kitchensync". I can't remove kitchensync because kde depends on it. |
| 15:13.18 | CosmoDad | Blissex: actually, I'm having primary fonts trouble with say konsole: the font looks crappy, and I really can't choose a different font cause there's only 5 or 6 to choose from |
| 15:13.19 | lilalinux | How do I replace kitchensync by kitchensync-kornholioa08.deb |
| 15:13.24 | Blissex | lilalinux: if you _really_ know what you are doing you can force it. |
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| 15:13.30 | St0n3-C0l | Blissex: I don't think |
| 15:13.32 | St0n3-C0l | so |
| 15:13.34 | CosmoDad | Blissex: so I guess installing MS TTFs won't really solve that problem? |
| 15:13.44 | lilalinux | Blissex: I would prefer replacing the package than forcing it |
| 15:13.47 | PerfDave | Shouldn't installing kitchensync-08 remove kitchensync automatically? |
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| 15:13.52 | Blissex | CosmoDad: that's what the 'msttcorefonts' package does. |
| 15:13.58 | lilalinux | PerfDave: unfortunately it doesn't |
| 15:14.14 | lilalinux | PerfDave: It doesn't seem to recognize that it's the same package |
| 15:14.16 | Blissex | lilalinux: you can make sure that the new package has a 'Replaces:' or whatever line for the other package... |
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| 15:14.46 | CosmoDad | Blissex: ok, but I can't find that package using apt-get |
| 15:14.57 | Blissex | lilalinux: or, IIRC you can remove and install a package on the same command line |
| 15:14.59 | lilalinux | Blissex: is there a command to add such a line? |
| 15:15.09 | Blissex | CosmoDad: wait a sec, I may have misremembered the exact name.... |
| 15:15.26 | valdyn_ | !info msttcorefonts |
| 15:15.28 | Blissex | lilalinux: no, you have to unpack and edit the '.deb' archive by hand. |
| 15:15.28 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 15:15.33 | dimix | How can i keep the settings of the command xhost + after boot? |
| 15:15.33 | lilalinux | Blissex: but the dependency seems not to recognize the new package as aequivalent |
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| 15:16.07 | Blissex | lilalinux: you can then add a 'Provides:' line too to declarare that the new package is equivaltn to the old one... |
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| 15:16.22 | Blissex | lilalinux: or use the ``equiv`` virtual package bbuilder. |
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| 15:16.32 | valdyn_ | !info msttcorefonts sarge |
| 15:16.33 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 15:16.38 | St0n3-C0l | Is there anyway to change my IP address ?? |
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| 15:16.40 | lilalinux | Blissex: thx |
| 15:16.49 | PerfDave | !wayttd St0n3-C0l |
| 15:16.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, St0n3-C0l? |
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| 15:16.53 | halotron | uhm, why is not kio_svn in any debian package? |
| 15:17.19 | CosmoDad | Blissex: haven't added contrib in sources.list, that's why I couldn't find anything... |
| 15:17.26 | abrotman | !crabpastesmite thomas_adam |
| 15:17.27 | Blissex | CosmoDad: ahhhhh, |
| 15:17.34 | St0n3-C0l | PerfDave: I was having probs with DNS but now that prob is fixed but now i've a newer one :P my IP address is changed and i know that IP is of someone's |
| 15:17.54 | PerfDave | St0n3-C0l: What IP address are you talking about? |
| 15:18.03 | St0n3-C0l | DHCP IP Address :P |
| 15:18.04 | St0n3-C0l | eh |
| 15:18.04 | St0n3-C0l | :> |
| 15:18.17 | PerfDave | St0n3-C0l: I don't understand what you're trying to do. |
| 15:18.25 | St0n3-C0l | leave. :P |
| 15:18.34 | St0n3-C0l | i'll try from windows eh |
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| 15:19.10 | greycat | my god. |
| 15:19.14 | takatumi | heh |
| 15:19.25 | florg | hey, what's wrong with my system if mplayer can't open any of the video out devices? Xine can! |
| 15:19.41 | jethro | !nickometer St0n3-C0l |
| 15:19.41 | dpkg | 'St0n3-C0l' is 99.9126% lame, jethro |
| 15:19.59 | jethro | dpkg: how do I get 100% lame? |
| 15:20.01 | dpkg | i don't know, jethro |
| 15:20.03 | valdyn_ | florg: xine will autodetect a working one, while mplayer will not, so manually select a working one |
| 15:20.11 | jethro | pffff |
| 15:20.23 | valdyn_ | florg: mplayer -vo x11 somesickavi.avi |
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| 15:21.19 | gianks | buon giorno a tutti |
| 15:21.21 | florg | valdyn_: is there a list of devices i can test? |
| 15:21.30 | jethro | florg: -vo list |
| 15:21.32 | valdyn_ | florg: mplayer -vo help |
| 15:21.49 | florg | already tried all |
| 15:21.51 | jethro | florg: what valdyn_ said |
| 15:21.57 | disc-q | jk3: noch da? kann man den rahmen von der aterm bash auch transparent machen oder ganz löschen? |
| 15:22.04 | jethro | !de |
| 15:22.04 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 15:22.13 | saerdna | is it possible to watch microsoft media stream with licenses and shit in linux? |
| 15:22.16 | valdyn_ | florg: no you didnt try all |
| 15:22.36 | ecko | saerdna: probably not |
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| 15:22.41 | valdyn_ | florg: and maybe you need to read your error message better |
| 15:22.42 | Rawplayer | !nl |
| 15:22.42 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
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| 15:22.49 | ecko | saerdna: but I'm not expert, I've never had luck doing it though |
| 15:22.54 | florg | valdyn_: all from the list "-vo help" ;-) |
| 15:23.01 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.05 | B|ackDayz | g00d morning |
| 15:23.43 | saerdna | ecko: heeh |
| 15:24.00 | tarzeau | read the comments http://lug.oregonstate.edu/gallery/GentooBugDay/DSC_2069 |
| 15:24.11 | florg | it's always "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device" |
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| 15:24.55 | St0n3-C0l | ahh...ThankGod :P |
| 15:24.56 | valdyn_ | florg: even with -vo null ? |
| 15:25.02 | valdyn_ | florg: or is that not in your list? |
| 15:25.29 | B|ackDayz | when I get to the login screen for debian I can only log in through gdm session...when I try to login through others it blackens My screen and I have to do a cold reboot...what did I do wrong? lol |
| 15:25.30 | Guyzmo | ahah from the bottom of the cia.gov nl page : |
| 15:25.37 | Guyzmo | ``major European producer of ecstasy, illicit amphetamines, and other synthetic drugs; important gateway for cocaine, heroin, and hashish entering Europe; major source of US-bound ecstasy; large financial sector vulnerable to money laundering'' |
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| 15:25.41 | B|ackDayz | (Metallica - Loverman.mp3) |
| 15:25.55 | abrotman | B|ackDayz: stop that shit |
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| 15:26.05 | B|ackDayz | I am...forgot to turn it off |
| 15:26.18 | reNegad3 | is there any other tool to configure x other than xf86config? |
| 15:26.30 | greycat | reNegad3: /msg dpkg set up x /msg dpkg faq |
| 15:26.31 | Guyzmo | reNegad3 - vim /etc/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 15:26.39 | reNegad3 | thanks |
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| 15:26.41 | greycat | Guyzmo: boy, you're just batting .000 today, aren't you? |
| 15:26.58 | jethro | looks like it's the appropriate hour for lameness |
| 15:27.03 | greycat | !sing monday |
| 15:27.03 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 15:27.19 | Guyzmo | greycat - what you mean ? |
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| 15:28.28 | DaHooD | asg: are u there? it was the chroot but i have a further question... |
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| 15:29.15 | sander__ | Could someone help me remove a partially installed package without removing the installed package it was trying to replace. I have a bad xserver package in my queue. I want to remove it without uninstalling xserver. |
| 15:29.22 | takatumi | Guyzmo: your links don't work. |
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| 15:29.54 | valdyn_ | sander__: such a thing does not make sense and is consequently impossible |
| 15:30.00 | Guyzmo | takatumi ? |
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| 15:30.28 | sander__ | valdyn so what can I do. This package won't install and --configure doesn't do anything. |
| 15:30.37 | saerdna | whats the minimum hardware requirments to run gnome? |
| 15:30.40 | saerdna | will it work fine with a 266mhz/96mb ram? |
| 15:30.44 | valdyn_ | sander__: install a good package |
| 15:30.51 | dimix | How can i keep the settings of the command xhost + after boot? |
| 15:30.55 | sander__ | saerdna, very slowly. :) |
| 15:30.57 | greycat | saerdna: it will run. |
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| 15:31.23 | greycat | sander__: dpkg --purge --force-depends <thebadthing> |
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| 15:31.32 | greycat | sander__: then install something to fill the hole. |
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| 15:32.01 | t-dub | saerdna> Gnome runs fine on my P2 400 64 MB RAM |
| 15:32.21 | sander__ | OK thanks guys, I'll try that. |
| 15:32.39 | greycat | dimix: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:33.26 | takatumi | t-dub: sounds painful. |
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| 15:35.04 | takatumi | !tell brrrt -about amd64 |
| 15:35.07 | valdyn_ | brrrt: k7 exists in woody? |
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| 15:35.49 | brrrt | valdyn_: yes k7 exists in 2.4.18 |
| 15:36.05 | brrrt | valdyn_: isnt athlon64 k8? |
| 15:36.09 | Guyzmo | \o/ |
| 15:36.23 | Guyzmo | my apt has been fixed |
| 15:36.32 | valdyn_ | brrrt: k8 exists in woody? |
| 15:36.49 | shingouz | brrrt: why not grab the latest sources if you're about to compile a kernel |
| 15:36.58 | brrrt | valdyn_: not in kernerl-source-2.4.18 |
| 15:37.12 | Guyzmo | just for the note : my error was due to the desappearance of dpkg in apt installed packages |
| 15:37.18 | Guyzmo | though dpkg was still present on the system |
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| 15:37.46 | valdyn_ | brrrt: ehem, kernel-source has no cpu tag |
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| 15:38.05 | dimix | greycat: There isn't for ssh but for kdm.I can't open programs(e.g Konqueror) from root when i logged as user in KDE |
| 15:38.18 | Guyzmo | so I downloaded a dpkg package, installed it with --force-depends (as it needed libc6 to be installed, and libc6 needed dpkg to be installed...) and then I ran apt-get -f install |
| 15:38.23 | Guyzmo | and everything went fine |
| 15:38.47 | greycat | dimix: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 15:38.52 | Guyzmo | thank you greycat and ricky_clarkson about your time |
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| 15:39.00 | valdyn_ | brrrt: ok, i got confused. Pick k7 is alright. |
| 15:39.07 | brrrt | shingouz: kernel-source-2.4.18 seems to be the latest |
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| 15:39.18 | dwu | is there a text based network traffic monitor? like xxkb upload xxKB downlaod |
| 15:39.22 | brrrt | shingouz: for kernel-source-2.4.19 there are no kernel-headers |
| 15:39.25 | JoaoMarcus | dwu: iptraf |
| 15:39.32 | valdyn_ | brrrt: then again , if you don't need the stability of woody, the question would be answered very differently |
| 15:39.42 | shingouz | brrrt: you don't need the kernel headers if you are going to compile a kernel, just the source |
| 15:39.56 | greycat | you'll be *making* your own kernel headers |
| 15:40.03 | shingouz | brrrt: besides, you can get the sources from kernel.org too |
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| 15:40.29 | brrrt | valdyn_: i wouold like to have a "ultra" stable system ;) |
| 15:40.35 | dimix | greycat: Thank you. |
| 15:40.45 | t-dub | whoa |
| 15:40.46 | valdyn_ | brrrt: pick k7 |
| 15:40.48 | brrrt | kaka, well when k7 will work i'll have no problems |
| 15:40.48 | shingouz | brrrt: the latest 2.5 then |
| 15:40.49 | t-dub | an ultra system |
| 15:40.53 | t-dub | i want want |
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| 15:41.19 | si|vercat | I'm trying to enable all my mouse buttons using ~/.Xmodmap, but I get this warning saying that the contents of the file is ignored.. |
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| 15:41.38 | dwu | JoaoMarcus thanks |
| 15:41.42 | si|vercat | where else do I put this pointer-line? or how do I enable .Xmodmap? |
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| 15:42.13 | MesaMan | Does Linux have anything that can connect to an Exchange server?? |
| 15:42.15 | greycat | si|vercat: put an "xmodmap ..." command in your appropriate dot-file |
| 15:42.30 | brrrt | shingouz: 2.5 ? |
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| 15:42.36 | dvs | MesaMan: As a client? |
| 15:42.45 | Blissex | MesaMan: yes. |
| 15:42.47 | nanok | MesaMan: i hear evolution has a plugin that handles that |
| 15:42.50 | shingouz | brrrt: not 2.5. 2.4.26 or whatever is the latest |
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| 15:42.56 | valdyn_ | brrrt: i kinda suspect that you will get problems supporting your devices w/ 2.4.18 and woody, so |
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| 15:43.09 | greycat | The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.4.29 |
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| 15:43.12 | MesaMan | dvs: yea... the only thing left that I use a Win desktop for is Exchange email/calendar/etc... work requirement |
| 15:43.29 | dvs | MesaMan: Use Evolution with a plugin |
| 15:43.34 | valdyn_ | brrrt: say if you wanted to run X, dont use woody |
| 15:43.39 | Borgon | Hello |
| 15:43.39 | Borgon | After 10+ hours of work, i finally got raid1 on 2x80GB with lvm installed...... I am having problem installing bootloader what can i do? |
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| 15:43.55 | Ferret | after rebooting my box a PCI card pretended to be 8 devices at once. It came up in lspci as 8 lines (02:06.[0-7]) and thus didn't work (IRQ issues). I booted to another kernel image and had the same issue. I booted back to the first kernel image and there was only one (working) one. Any idea why that might happen? |
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| 15:44.23 | abrotman | Ferret: is it a debian kernel ? |
| 15:44.33 | brrrt | valdyn: i want to run a production server |
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| 15:44.47 | si|vercat | strange.. X uses buttons 4 and 5 for scrolling, even after I told it to use buttons 11 and 12 and remapped them (which didn't work) :P |
| 15:44.54 | valdyn_ | brrrt: alright then |
| 15:45.02 | MesaMan | thanks |
| 15:45.02 | shingouz | brrrt: 2.4.29 from debian or kernel.org and do a compile on it |
| 15:45.10 | si|vercat | oh well, it works now ;) |
| 15:45.21 | brrrt | kaka, thanks alot for your advice ! |
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| 15:45.52 | brrrt | ups meant ok, ... |
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| 15:46.45 | Ferret | abrotman: I had the same issue with a debian kernel before, so the issue seems to happen on debian aswell. It currently isn't one, but this is somewhat a last resort. :) |
| 15:47.00 | abrotman | Ferret: and what kind of device is it? |
| 15:47.18 | Borgon | Since i had problem installing a boot loader with raid1..... I got a kernel bootup warning said that i have to use /dev/mapper/vg-lv and root=/dev/mapper/vg-lv |
| 15:47.19 | Ferret | abrotman: Wireless network card. |
| 15:47.27 | abrotman | Ferret: wow .. and which driver? |
| 15:47.30 | Ferret | abrotman: Specifically, an orinoco_pci |
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| 15:47.53 | abrotman | Ferret: did you ask lkml or #kernel ? (or even #wireless) |
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| 15:48.04 | saerdna | anyone using intel 2100 wlan? |
| 15:48.09 | Ferret | abrotman: That's a good idea, I'll try that. |
| 15:48.30 | JoaoMarcus | I use a Prism2.5-based card |
| 15:48.35 | abrotman | saerdna: ask a better question |
| 15:48.52 | JoaoMarcus | fscking bad card |
| 15:48.57 | saerdna | abrotman: betteR? |
| 15:49.00 | Vladi1 | how do i check the X windows idle time from a ssh console? |
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| 15:49.08 | abrotman | saerdna: why are you asking .. are you having a problem? |
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| 15:49.33 | saerdna | abrotman: kind of. i dont know how to make it work |
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| 15:49.39 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 15:49.40 | dpkg | hmm... ipw2100 is ipw2100.sourceforge.com, find your intel wireless pro driver there. This driver doesn't work with merely the kernel-headers-* package; it wants the Makefile from the full source tree. Have fun building a custom kernel. |
| 15:49.53 | abrotman | !tell saerdna about ipw2100 |
| 15:49.55 | abrotman | !tell saerdna about kp |
| 15:49.58 | saerdna | abrotman: i already downloaded it |
| 15:50.08 | abrotman | downloaded what? |
| 15:50.09 | PerfDave | module-assistant should work with ipw2100-source |
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| 15:50.24 | reNegad3 | how do you install kde? |
| 15:50.26 | saerdna | ipw2100 ffrom sourceforge |
| 15:50.26 | arturaz | anyone can explain this? |
| 15:50.26 | arturaz | http://www.pastebin.com/241738 |
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| 15:51.07 | takatumi | abrotman: ipw2100-source - source for the ipw2100 driver |
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| 15:51.22 | grem-out | Hi, im currently trying to do a netinstall however when it tries to apt-get sources it constantly gets eth0:transit timed out |
| 15:51.29 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: apt-get install kde or if you dont want everything at once , apt-get install kdebase and apt-get install x-window-system if you dont have X installed yet |
| 15:51.39 | reNegad3 | thanks |
| 15:51.41 | Ferret | JoaoMarcus: What issues do you have with it? |
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| 15:52.02 | saerdna | welkiwi:/usr/src/ipw2100-1.0.5# apt-cache search ipw2100 |
| 15:52.02 | saerdna | kiwi:/usr/src/ipw2100-1.0.5# |
| 15:52.27 | abrotman | takatumi: append the factoid .. and comment which it's in (sarge/sid/woody) |
| 15:52.29 | Borgon | Anyone help me on a raid1 config? |
| 15:52.31 | Borgon | Anyone help me on a raid1 config? Grub+raid = works? |
| 15:52.39 | abrotman | Borgon: #grub |
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| 15:52.50 | takatumi | abrotman: sid is all I know |
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| 15:53.05 | abrotman | !info ipw2100-source sarge |
| 15:53.07 | dpkg | ipw2100-source: (source for the ipw2100 driver), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 135 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
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| 15:53.39 | reNegad3 | once kde has been installed, how do i set it as the default desktop environment? |
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| 15:53.45 | abrotman | !ipw2100 is also ipw2100-source package in sarge/sid |
| 15:53.47 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 15:53.57 | grem-out | How can I go back to network configuration? I think the drivers may have been installed incorrectly |
| 15:54.01 | saerdna | abrotman: i am using sarge |
| 15:54.13 | abrotman | saerdna: well .. try that package then .. i've never used it |
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| 15:54.34 | JoaoMarcus | Ferret: Well, I have to get through all the proccess of compiling hostap, getting the firmware, and it sucks :( |
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| 15:54.36 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: do you use a login manager like gdm/xdm/kdm? |
| 15:54.42 | saerdna | abrotman: it doesnt exsist |
| 15:54.48 | saerdna | E: Couldn't find package ipw2100-source |
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| 15:54.58 | abrotman | saerdna: apt-cache search 2100 |
| 15:55.00 | Ferret | JoaoMarcus: Oh, I see. On mine no firmware seems to be required. |
| 15:55.01 | flowtron | grem-out - you might use base-config |
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| 15:55.35 | saerdna | abrotman: nictools?! |
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| 15:55.41 | saerdna | it just finds 3 crap packages |
| 15:55.44 | reNegad3 | there is a login manager running but i'm not sure which one it is (it has the logo for windowmaker, is it wdm?) anyway it does not give the option to choose a desktop environment |
| 15:55.47 | abrotman | !find ipw sarge |
| 15:55.49 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ipw' (3 shown): ipw2100-source ;; ipw2200-source ;; tripwire. |
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| 15:56.02 | t-dub | sweet |
| 15:56.04 | abrotman | saerdna: are you using contrib ? |
| 15:56.06 | t-dub | a webcam girl |
| 15:56.15 | flowtron | reNegad3 : do a dpkg-reconfigure wdm |
| 15:56.16 | neewt | hello.. A small question.. Does kernel-patches in APT update the kernel, so I don't have to recompile it myself? I'm thinking of kernel-patch-freeswan here .. |
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| 15:56.22 | t-dub | apt-cache search crap |
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| 15:56.40 | reNegad3 | i would ideally like to use kdm, how would i set that up? |
| 15:56.53 | flowtron | neewt : afaik : no |
| 15:56.59 | t-dub | apt-get instal kde? |
| 15:57.02 | t-dub | maybe |
| 15:57.06 | abrotman | reNegad3: oddly enough .. apt-get install kdm |
| 15:57.09 | saerdna | abrotman: i dont know |
| 15:57.10 | neewt | flowtron: hm.. ok |
| 15:57.11 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: apt-get install kdm, and uh, maybe make /etc/X11/default-display-manager point to it |
| 15:57.14 | saerdna | abrotman: whats contrib? tell me about it |
| 15:57.17 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:57.17 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 15:57.24 | reNegad3 | thanks guys |
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| 15:57.27 | abrotman | saerdna: paste your sources.list in one of those places |
| 15:58.05 | R1ck | anyone here using dspam? |
| 15:58.14 | abrotman | !dspam |
| 15:58.15 | dpkg | i guess dspam is An extremely scalable, open-source statistical anti-spam filter. http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/ |
| 15:58.23 | abrotman | R1ck: is it packaged yet? |
| 15:58.29 | t-dub | !hybrid |
| 15:58.30 | dpkg | from memory, hybrid is IMHO the best IRC daemon, or at http://hybrid.the-project.org |
| 15:58.32 | R1ck | dont think so |
| 15:58.49 | t-dub | yeaahhh |
| 15:58.49 | R1ck | abrotman: you have used it? |
| 15:58.55 | t-dub | hybrid is da bomb |
| 15:58.57 | abrotman | R1ck: no .. but i know about it .. dcc too |
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| 15:59.03 | R1ck | oh |
| 15:59.04 | ShadowJK | hybrid is very high performance |
| 15:59.14 | abrotman | R1ck: http://bugs.debian.org/195948 |
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| 15:59.33 | t-dub | tell me about it |
| 15:59.45 | t-dub | runs on my box for corp chatter |
| 15:59.57 | t-dub | very nice |
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| 16:00.17 | Borgon | Anyone know how to configure a boot loader to work with a freaking net install? 10 hours and counting and this still cant run |
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| 16:00.36 | abrotman | Borgon: ask #grub |
| 16:01.08 | abrotman | Borgon: and did you read the software raid HOWTO? |
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| 16:01.37 | R1ck | bah |
| 16:01.48 | reNegad3 | i've done both apt-get install kdm and told default-display-manager to point to kdm however i still have wdm as the login screen |
| 16:01.48 | abrotman | hab! |
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| 16:01.53 | R1ck | damn dspam tries to execute some weird sql query which isnt working |
| 16:01.58 | abrotman | reNegad3: update-alternatives ? |
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| 16:02.42 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: how do you know? did you reboot? |
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| 16:03.13 | reNegad3 | i crashed the x server at the login screen and i've also tried going from init 5 to init 3, then back to init 5 again |
| 16:03.27 | abrotman | reNegad3: debian doesn't use 5 .. or 3 |
| 16:03.34 | abrotman | reNegad3: default in debian is 2 |
| 16:03.35 | dvs | reNegad3: init 2 to 5 are the same in Debian |
| 16:03.46 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: in a tty: /etc/init.d/wdm stop && /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 16:03.47 | abrotman | of course .. if you had looked at your inittab .. you might know this |
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| 16:04.03 | reNegad3 | oh.., which runlevel is multiuser mode and which is the x server one? |
| 16:04.17 | abrotman | reNegad3: debian uses run level 2 |
| 16:04.24 | reNegad3 | ok |
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| 16:04.37 | lilalinux | Blissex: do you know the correct command to create a deb file? (I unpacked with `ar x`) |
| 16:05.10 | stew | reNegad3: debian doesn't setup runlevels 2-5 differently, if you want them to be differnt, you need to set that up yourself |
| 16:05.14 | reNegad3 | i get a message saying not starting x display manager (xdm); it is not the default display manager |
| 16:05.23 | abrotman | reNegad3: so which did it start? |
| 16:05.32 | reNegad3 | the same one - wdm |
| 16:05.39 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: reNegad3 thats fine, since you do not want to start xdm |
| 16:05.39 | el` | reNegad3: just reboot man |
| 16:05.39 | flowtron | reNegad3 : do a dpkg-reconfigure wdm |
| 16:05.56 | reNegad3 | ok i'll try rebooting |
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| 16:06.20 | flowtron | but KDM is NEW ... so it wont do what you want : Renegad3 |
| 16:06.36 | reNegad3 | ok |
| 16:06.38 | flowtron | you'll need to reconfigure your display manager |
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| 16:06.47 | Slayer | hi |
| 16:06.51 | flowtron | to USE the kdm! |
| 16:06.53 | Slayer | whats the knoppix cha room |
| 16:07.04 | flowtron | guess #knoppix ???! |
| 16:07.13 | Slayer | yup thanx |
| 16:07.30 | binbrain | anybody know of any desktop recording tools? |
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| 16:07.40 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: your /etc/X11/default-display-manager file needs to contain one line: "/usr/bin/kdm" |
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| 16:07.56 | reNegad3 | and how would i reconfigure the display manager? i tried dkpg-recofigure kdm |
| 16:08.09 | reNegad3 | valdyn_, yep thats what it has |
| 16:08.11 | el` | is there anything good about kdm? heh |
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| 16:08.31 | flowtron | reNegad3 : mmh. used to work for me ... mom pls. |
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| 16:08.45 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: now do /etc/init.d/wdm stop and /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 16:08.58 | flowtron | what's the error Renegad3? |
| 16:09.09 | reNegad3 | ok i rebooted and its still using wdm, i'll try that now valdyn_ |
| 16:09.13 | flowtron | even better : listen to valdyn_ :) |
| 16:09.14 | reNegad3 | theres no error |
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| 16:09.46 | dvs | reNegad3: How can you possibly reboot so fast? |
| 16:09.53 | reNegad3 | ok valdyn_ it says 'starting k display manager: kdm' and then goes back to the prompt |
| 16:10.01 | reNegad3 | fast computer? |
| 16:10.21 | abrotman | reNegad3: how about juts removing wdm ? |
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| 16:10.47 | reNegad3 | gladly, how would i do that (sorry i'm very new to debian) would it be apt-remove wdm? |
| 16:10.56 | abrotman | apt-get --purge remove wdm |
| 16:11.01 | reNegad3 | ok |
| 16:11.05 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: i dont know wdm, so if it doesnt fit into what xdm/gdm/kdm do then it might fuck up things - listen to abrotman |
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| 16:11.19 | toubsu | !gpg |
| 16:11.19 | dpkg | hmm... gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available from nonUS.debian.org . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
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| 16:12.41 | abrotman | i think gpg is in main now |
| 16:13.36 | arturaz | 18:14 gw:/etc# pump -i eth2 --status |
| 16:13.37 | arturaz | Operation failed. |
| 16:13.39 | arturaz | huh? :( |
| 16:13.39 | ur8up | can you c me? |
| 16:13.46 | toubsu | i was wondering what it stood for as compared to PGP |
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| 16:14.12 | abrotman | !gpg =~ s/from nonUS.debian.org/, now in main/ |
| 16:14.12 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 16:14.28 | greycat | ur8up: no, but I can pascal you |
| 16:14.39 | knapp | my eggs |
| 16:14.42 | abrotman | let's snobol him!! |
| 16:14.44 | ur8up | funy |
| 16:15.25 | dvs | I tried lisping but people couldn't understand me |
| 16:15.25 | t-dub | heh |
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| 16:15.25 | greycat | dvs: that'th too bad. |
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| 16:15.25 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 16:15.41 | ur8up | looking for some usb help! |
| 16:15.50 | reNegad3 | when i try to remove wdm (or anything for that matter) i get errors saying 'errors encountered while processing: libapache-mod-perl, apache-perl, apache-ssl etc etc etc |
| 16:15.51 | greycat | !tell ur8up about ask |
| 16:15.58 | greycat | reNegad3: apt-get -f install |
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| 16:16.35 | reNegad3 | ok |
| 16:16.39 | otje | After rebuilding my 2.4 kernel, when i try to download something from glftpd-server, i get the message "426 Timeout while writing data", while uploading works. I have the feeling there is some kernel option wrong but I don't have an idea where to look. |
| 16:16.40 | ur8up | debian will not mount my external maxtor drive |
| 16:16.56 | reNegad3 | greycat, same thing happened |
| 16:17.11 | PerfDave | otje: Something to do with a firewall / NAT and PASV mode? |
| 16:17.14 | el` | otje: why 2.4 ? |
| 16:17.16 | greycat | reNegad3: well, then you'll have to *GASP* read the errors! and see what they mean! and fix them! |
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| 16:17.35 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 16:17.36 | dpkg | awwww, reading is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 16:17.44 | reNegad3 | :( |
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| 16:18.56 | otje | PerfDave: i tried with and without passive; i can't even download when i login from localhost |
| 16:19.03 | noid2 | how do you completely reinstall a apt package ? |
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| 16:19.14 | otje | el` : i thought that was the best for a stable system |
| 16:19.20 | dvs | noid2: depends on the package |
| 16:19.26 | el` | otje: i see |
| 16:19.26 | noid2 | dvs: apache |
| 16:19.57 | dvs | noid2: Try apt-get --reinstall install apache |
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| 16:21.58 | reNegad3 | greycat, just curious, what display manager do u use? |
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| 16:22.05 | greycat | reNegad3: startx |
| 16:22.11 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:22.11 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:22.39 | reNegad3 | ok, well what would people using the graphical runlevel usually use? |
| 16:22.54 | dvs | reNegad3: I use "2" |
| 16:22.59 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: there is no "graphical runlevel" in debian |
| 16:23.21 | reNegad3 | ok well when i type init 5 it loads the x server login screen |
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| 16:23.52 | reNegad3 | maybe i'm using the wrong words i dont know |
| 16:24.00 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: starts your apache too if you have it installed, is it the apache runlevel then? |
| 16:24.10 | abrotman | reNegad3: stop using init 5 |
| 16:24.20 | reNegad3 | ahh k |
| 16:24.22 | B|ackDayz | when I try to log-in through anything but gdm...screen blacks out trying to log into root through console makes it black out as well why? |
| 16:24.23 | abrotman | reNegad3: this is not RH or MDK .. |
| 16:24.36 | reNegad3 | ok ok |
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| 16:24.57 | greycat | reNegad3: run levels 2-5 are all equivalent by default in Debian |
| 16:25.13 | reNegad3 | ok |
| 16:25.24 | abrotman | you're insulted because debian isn't RH ? |
| 16:25.29 | dvs | greycat: Geee, that statement looks familiar |
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| 16:25.32 | reNegad3 | no |
| 16:25.54 | uince | wich packet do i need to reconfigure to make my printer work???? |
| 16:26.07 | valdyn_ | uince: none |
| 16:26.07 | dvs | uince: It depends on the printer |
| 16:26.19 | reNegad3 | i really dont want to get into this conversation all i want is to be able to boot into a graphical local screen running kdm |
| 16:26.20 | B|ackDayz | am I not asking the right question? |
| 16:26.27 | reNegad3 | how do i do it?! |
| 16:26.28 | scarynetworkguy | package it's a package. A packet is what your TCP/IP stack uses to send data. |
| 16:26.37 | abrotman | reNegad3: apt-get install kde kdm |
| 16:26.45 | scarynetworkguy | !packet |
| 16:26.45 | abrotman | reNegad3: if other packages are messed .. you must fix those first |
| 16:26.45 | dpkg | from memory, packet is A collection of information. It's often used to refer to the chunks of information sent over computer networks. |
| 16:26.46 | uince | heheh sorry |
| 16:26.49 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: youre errors you mentioned shortly earlier indicate that you have way more problems than running the wrong dm |
| 16:26.59 | uince | wich package do i need to reconfigure to make my printer work???? |
| 16:27.09 | reNegad3 | ok |
| 16:27.14 | valdyn_ | uince: do you use cups? |
| 16:27.25 | lilalinux | What's the ar command to create a deb? |
| 16:27.28 | PerfDave | otje: Then you've probably got some random firewall issues. |
| 16:27.28 | uince | no |
| 16:27.38 | reNegad3 | i dont require apache on this machine can i remove it completely to get rid of those errors? |
| 16:27.50 | uince | valdyn_:no |
| 16:27.56 | greycat | reNegad3: if it's the source of the errors, yes. |
| 16:28.34 | reNegad3 | ok, would i have to remove each of those packages that are giving errors, or is there a way to remove apache and all its libs in one go? |
| 16:28.51 | B|ackDayz | guess the question was too complex for everyone |
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| 16:29.07 | otje | PerfDave: http://www.glftpd.at/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=122 |
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| 16:29.22 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: just removing might make your problem disappear but its no solution, since these packages arent broken in debian, something is broken on your system |
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| 16:29.50 | reNegad3 | hmm ok, but is there a way to do what i asked? |
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| 16:30.42 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: i guess apt-get remove apache-common or apache2-common, depending on what you have |
| 16:30.44 | humbolt | what is the mail software to choose for setting up a nice smtp, pop, imap, secure auth, webmail mail server?? is there any softwar out there, that makes it easy to manage those package |
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| 16:30.51 | reNegad3 | ok thanks |
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| 16:30.59 | humbolt | manage those accounts I mean |
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| 16:31.28 | uince | so don' t you know wich package i need to reconfigure? |
| 16:32.14 | paradise | xchat sucks |
| 16:32.16 | abrotman | cups maybe? |
| 16:32.25 | abrotman | bitchx sucks more |
| 16:32.51 | paradise | i cannot read unicode when my envirnoment not UTF8 |
| 16:32.51 | valdyn_ | uince: apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd |
| 16:32.51 | paradise | wtf |
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| 16:33.01 | uince | can't i do it with lpr?? |
| 16:33.47 | maelcum | 77777777#kanmtiiiix |
| 16:33.52 | takatumi | paradise: http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html |
| 16:34.32 | valdyn_ | uince: you can, i cant help you with it though |
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| 16:35.46 | paradise | takatumi: however i cannot read big5, when my environment is utf8 |
| 16:35.59 | paradise | takatumi: in xchat |
| 16:36.33 | dvs | that's nice |
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| 16:37.29 | t-dub | wonder if he kisses his mom with that keyboard |
| 16:38.10 | greycat | wonder if he cybers his mom with that keyboard |
| 16:38.17 | toubsu | o.O |
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| 16:38.56 | Nermal | will upgrading woody to sarge get me a 2.4 kernel ? |
| 16:39.30 | brrrt | i dont think so |
| 16:39.32 | greycat | Nermal: no, but since woody already *has* one, one wonders what drugs you're on. |
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| 16:39.48 | brrrt | lol |
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| 16:40.03 | Nermal | greycat, I'm on debian newbie drug. normally I use a distribution with a release cycle that doesn't just fall on leap years :) |
| 16:40.12 | greycat | Nermal: woody has 2.4.18. |
| 16:40.38 | Nermal | ok.. it installed a 2.2 kernel it would seem, but I'll have a look for the 2.4 one. 2.2 doesn't like my cisco aironet card :) |
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| 16:41.54 | t-dub | debian is a drug |
| 16:42.07 | brrrt | oh my god i am addicted |
| 16:42.23 | Nermal | well.. I'm switching from gentoo to ubuntu and debian... |
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| 16:42.34 | t-dub | ubuntu looks cool |
| 16:42.42 | t-dub | till be my nextr distro to test |
| 16:42.44 | saerdna | hum is there any shockwave plugin to mozilla/firefox in apt? |
| 16:42.45 | Nermal | so I'm new to the whole debian layout :) |
| 16:42.56 | greycat | Nermal: it's not OUR fault you failed to read everything that was presented to you, and simply hit "Enter" at the very first prompt, instead of typing "bf24" to install woody with 2.4.18. But you can *STILL* install a 2.4.18 kernel without leaving woody. |
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| 16:43.03 | saerdna | t-dub: hehe are you learning linux or why are you playing with distros? |
| 16:43.12 | Nermal | but ubuntu needed more ram for the installer to function reliably, so I plonked woody on it :) |
| 16:43.28 | t-dub | perverse curiosity |
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| 16:43.41 | Nermal | greycat, wow |
| 16:43.45 | takatumi | paradise: irssi-text |
| 16:43.46 | t-dub | i keep hoping that the diffrent gui's in each system will blow my mind |
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| 16:44.20 | jasz | what's another word for "dump yard" ? |
| 16:44.25 | greycat | junkyard |
| 16:44.33 | t-dub | hmmm |
| 16:44.33 | dvs | jasz: My brother's room |
| 16:44.38 | greycat | pigsty |
| 16:44.39 | jasz | haha... |
| 16:44.40 | takatumi | Nermal: what kind of hardware is this? |
| 16:44.45 | t-dub | anywhere my ex wife is standing |
| 16:44.50 | reNegad3 | jasz, "Tip" |
| 16:44.51 | Nermal | P233 MMX 32mb ram |
| 16:44.56 | jasz | i need to get rid of my old car :( |
| 16:45.03 | greycat | Nermal: sarge should install cleanly on that. |
| 16:45.30 | Nermal | the ubuntu installer needed swap space to load all it's extended modules, but then insisted on formatting it's swap space during install and I couldn't be bothered to create two swap spaces |
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| 16:45.36 | whirm | Hi, I'm trying to get a hylafax server to auto answer incoming faxes, but I cannot find where to change it, with faxanswer ttyS0 it gets the faxes correctly |
| 16:45.42 | Nermal | and I need to learn debian at some point anyhoo... |
| 16:46.04 | takatumi | Nermal: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 16:46.08 | Nermal | greycat, I'll try to upgrade.. installing from scratch would be more difficult |
| 16:46.27 | takatumi | Nermal: then /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 16:46.35 | Nermal | takatumi, ok :) |
| 16:46.49 | AcidBurn | Est ce que qqun peut m'aider pour un bleme de speedtouch USB |
| 16:46.49 | greycat | but that still won't give you a 2.4.x kernel. you'll have to explicitly install one. |
| 16:46.54 | greycat | !fr |
| 16:46.54 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:47.04 | Fidget007 | how can I get an extended description of a package? |
| 16:47.05 | Nermal | greycat, ok.. thanks : |
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| 16:47.30 | stew | Fidget007: apt-cache show pkgname |
| 16:47.31 | Fidget007 | I can find the difference between zlib1g, zlib1, zlib1g-dev, zlib1-altdev, and zlibc |
| 16:47.36 | Fidget007 | stew: thanks |
| 16:47.40 | Fidget007 | err can't |
| 16:47.59 | stew | Fidget007: http://packages.debian.org/pkgname |
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| 16:48.10 | whirm | Is normal that by default hylafax don't autoanswers incoming faxes? |
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| 16:48.46 | Fidget007 | stew: any idea when Debian will have a package for Xen? |
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| 16:48.57 | Help-Me | i |
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| 16:49.05 | stew | !info xen |
| 16:49.07 | dvs | j |
| 16:49.11 | dpkg | xen: (a Virtual Machine Monitor like User-Mode-Linux), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.2-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 657 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 16:49.17 | stew | Fidget007: http://packages.debian.org/xen |
| 16:49.37 | greycat | stew: I'm sensing a pattern... |
| 16:49.41 | stew | yeah... |
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| 16:49.57 | stew | Fidget007: its in unstable now, its not going into sarge, it will migrate to etch when sarge releases |
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| 16:50.03 | arango | what modules and/or packages do I need to put my laptop in suspend mode ? |
| 16:50.04 | Slayer | wats knoppix room |
| 16:50.22 | stew | Slayer: #knoppix, suprisingly |
| 16:50.23 | Slayer | #knoppix |
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| 16:50.30 | Slayer | found it |
| 16:50.31 | takatumi | !badgerknoppix |
| 16:50.31 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 16:50.31 | Slayer | lol |
| 16:50.37 | GarySaved | I have been looking web browsers over. Galeon and Firefox say they are based on Mozilla. Do I have to have Mozilla installed to use them? |
| 16:50.48 | djg | GarySaved: No |
| 16:50.49 | saerdna | lool! |
| 16:51.13 | Rawplayer | lol |
| 16:51.24 | saerdna | why on earth are so many ppl here running knoppix or ubuntu? |
| 16:51.26 | greycat | at one point, you did have to have mozilla-browser installed for galeon... |
| 16:51.28 | Slayer | no one talks in knoppix room |
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| 16:51.37 | greycat | not sure if that's still the case, or if galeon even still *exists* |
| 16:51.38 | gratuit | I think galeon needs mozilla installed |
| 16:51.40 | stew | Slayer: try a mailing list then |
| 16:51.47 | Slayer | wats that |
| 16:51.55 | djg | greycat: Galeon is the default browser for GNOME, IIRC. |
| 16:52.00 | greycat | djg: ewww. |
| 16:52.12 | Slayer | im new |
| 16:52.18 | stew | actually a new galeon pacakge was uploaded a few days ago |
| 16:52.31 | stew | Slayer: whats a mailing list? |
| 16:52.45 | restrex | msg dpkg d-i |
| 16:53.16 | GarySaved | I installed Java, and it went into the Mozilla tree. Now Java works in Galeon. It must be using Mozilla. |
| 16:53.18 | JoaoMarcus | anyone here uses firehol? |
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| 16:53.32 | takatumi | JoaoMarcus: stuck? |
| 16:53.35 | JoaoMarcus | yup |
| 16:53.36 | Slayer | were can i buy knoppix |
| 16:53.38 | JoaoMarcus | :( |
| 16:53.42 | greycat | !+depends galeon sarge |
| 16:53.45 | dpkg | galeon: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libeel2-2 (>= 2.8.2), libesd0 (>= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.29-1), libgail-common (>= 1.6.6), libgail17 (>= 1.6.6), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.8.1), libgcrypt11, libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.3.6), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.4.7), libgnome-keyring0 (>= 0.4.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomec |
| 16:53.45 | dpkg | libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.8.3-7), libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.4.4), libhowl0 (>= 0.9.8-1), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, libnautilus2-2 (>= 2.7.1), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.10.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.6.0), libpopt0 (>= 1.7), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libtasn1-2 (>= 0.2.8), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.11), libxrender1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2 |
| 16:53.48 | dpkg | (>= 2:1.7.5), debconf, procps, gconf2, scrollkeeper, gnome-control-center (>= 1:2.2.0), galeon-common (= 1.3.19-1) |
| 16:53.52 | amgod | hello, i got a problem, im trying to install Debian Sarge and installation goes ok, then i boot, but says GRUB loading stage1.5Read Error, and lilo doesn't work either, what shall i do? |
| 16:53.53 | Nermal | ow |
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| 16:54.28 | greycat | !+depends galeon-common sarge |
| 16:54.28 | takatumi | JoaoMarcus: looked at this? /usr/share/doc/firehol/examples/lan-gateway.conf |
| 16:54.30 | dpkg | galeon-common: depends on galeon (= 1.3.19-1) |
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| 16:54.46 | greycat | I don't see mozilla-* in that list.... |
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| 16:54.52 | takatumi | greycat: yes, I have gnome installed :P |
| 16:55.18 | Slayer | --- - ___. ""^vlll______, |
| 16:55.20 | Slayer | --- - Fundraiser _,"^'...... ..vi|iiilllIIll__, |
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| 16:55.22 | Slayer | --- - status _,^".. .. . . .. v|ii|ii|ii|i|ixlv__, |
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| 16:55.24 | Slayer | --- - _. .. .. . .. .. . vi|ii|ii|ii|ii<x1"! |
| 16:55.26 | Slayer | --- - ,-.. .. . . . . . . . vi|i|ii|i|iiixx}^. .^_, |
| 16:55.27 | *** kick/#debian [Slayer!~wooledg@192.35.79.70] by greycat (greycat) |
| 16:55.30 | takatumi | fuckin idiot |
| 16:55.33 | Hamster | how do I find out what other modules or programmes are using a particular module? |
| 16:55.44 | jasz | wtf... |
| 16:55.54 | jasz | i hadnt seen an idiot like that in a long time... |
| 16:55.58 | greycat | jasz: it's the MOTD from at least one of the OPN^H^H^HFreenode servers. |
| 16:56.04 | GarySaved | Well, Java does work now, and the only reference to it is in the Mozilla tree. |
| 16:56.07 | *** mode/#Debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 16:56.11 | takatumi | greycat: all of 'em iirc |
| 16:56.22 | jasz | wow.. |
| 16:56.23 | greycat | it's conceivable that he pasted it by accident, but even then, he'd still have to work to do it. |
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| 16:56.41 | saerdna | is there any shockwave plugin for firefox/mozilla in apt? |
| 16:56.52 | greycat | saerdna: just Flash. |
| 16:56.52 | Vladi1 | hi, just wondering if it is safe to use prelink in debian unstable? |
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| 16:57.07 | greycat | Vladi1: safe and unstable don't go together. |
| 16:57.23 | saerdna | greycat: ah i just checked macromedias site theres only for wintendo and mac os. |
| 16:57.25 | saerdna | how stupid |
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| 16:57.41 | GigaGurl | can anyone tell me a good way to search a scsi tape for a specific dir? |
| 16:57.50 | Vladi1 | greycat: well i mean if i run prelink -amfR it will not hose down my system safe |
| 16:58.05 | greycat | GigaGurl: run a table of contents on the tape, and grep. |
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| 16:58.20 | valdyn_ | Vladi1: it works for me, no idea if it is safe, read the README.Debian included |
| 16:58.43 | Slayer | %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% |
| 16:58.45 | Vladi1 | valdyn_: ok thanks |
| 16:58.45 | jasz | did you all see that the spanish government prohibited software patents on that country? |
| 16:58.46 | GigaGurl | greycat like tar tzvf /dev/st1 | grep ^d ? |
| 16:58.55 | sKaBoy | gh |
| 16:58.57 | Slayer | i need help |
| 16:58.57 | takatumi | ok that wasn't a mistake |
| 16:59.04 | jasz | oh please somebody kick him... |
| 16:59.09 | Rawplayer | !ops |
| 16:59.10 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 16:59.10 | greycat | I did. |
| 16:59.10 | Slayer | my pc keeps sending txt |
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| 16:59.24 | Rawplayer | !ops Slayer is spamming the shit! |
| 16:59.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Slayer is spamming the shit! |
| 16:59.32 | takatumi | Rawplayer: shhh. |
| 16:59.34 | JoaoMarcus | takatumi: I tried to build my config based on the lan-gateway example but it's not working :S |
| 16:59.36 | greycat | I see more "!ops" spam than Slayer spam right now. |
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| 16:59.39 | JoaoMarcus | http://paste.plone.org/677 |
| 16:59.50 | saerdna | http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.html <-- everyone please sign |
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| 17:00.08 | Slayer | ?%?%?%?%?%?%?%?% |
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| 17:00.26 | saerdna | greycat: hehe |
| 17:00.42 | Rawplayer | saerdna: websites are not for macromedia movie's |
| 17:00.46 | jasz | man... did he like have a mirc virus or is he just stupid? |
| 17:01.02 | takatumi | JoaoMarcus: /usr/share/doc/firehol/html/index.html |
| 17:01.05 | rrohde | how does one install a printer on Debian from the commandline? |
| 17:01.07 | _SerhaT_ | he is trying to cause an buffer overflow.. prolly trying to find a bug.. |
| 17:01.25 | valdyn_ | rrohde: with cups? |
| 17:01.35 | LSorensen | rrohde: personalyl I like installing cupsys/foomatic and pointing links at http://localhost:631/admin |
| 17:01.39 | saerdna | Rawplayer: tell that to the authors of websites |
| 17:01.44 | rrohde | valdyn_, negative.. should be lprng (for printbill) |
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| 17:02.40 | jasz | i dont believe it |
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| 17:02.56 | Deffie | hi all, i'm using debian woody, i've updated module-init-tools and i built a 2.6.10 vanilla kernel but, after rebooting and doing "lsmod" it still says QM MODULES function not implemented, any idea ? |
| 17:02.58 | rrohde | so can I use cups to install an LPRNG printer? As far as I know "printbill" runs only on LPRNG printers.. |
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| 17:03.06 | greycat | !pal Deffie |
| 17:03.15 | Skaag | what gives with this.... it's been like that for 2 days already (or more?):: php4-pear: Depends: php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-4) but 4:4.3.10-3 is to be installed |
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| 17:03.39 | greycat | Deffie: you cannot "update" module-init-tools in woody because woody does not HAVE it. |
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| 17:03.40 | si|vercat | strange.. my mic suddenly stopped working with TeamSpeak.. |
| 17:03.44 | saerdna | Skaag: dont use php4, use php5 |
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| 17:03.55 | stew | Deffie: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
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| 17:04.02 | valdyn_ | rrohde: lprng is just an implementation of a bsd lpr ( maybe with additional features ), cupsys-bsd provides those commands for cups |
| 17:04.12 | Deffie | greycat ok, i confess, i downloaded it from kernel.org's ftp |
| 17:04.18 | rrohde | valdyn_, ok.. great! |
| 17:04.20 | rrohde | :) |
| 17:04.21 | greycat | valdyn_: with about 20 megabytes of additional "features". |
| 17:04.26 | Skaag | saerdna: I do on some of my boxes |
| 17:04.28 | stew | Skaag: you need to install the older version and put it on hold until the newer stuff gets fixed |
| 17:04.33 | valdyn_ | rrohde: so uh, i dont know about printbill, but it not working with cupsys would not make sense at all |
| 17:04.43 | Skaag | stew: How do I get hold of the old version? |
| 17:04.56 | stew | Skaag: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:04.56 | valdyn_ | greycat: aha! |
| 17:04.59 | Empty | what's the name of the "function chooser" thing from woody installs? I can't remember |
| 17:05.04 | rrohde | valdyn_, Package: printbill (4.1.2-1) Sophisticated print billing / accounting system for lprng |
| 17:05.15 | Empty | the thing with "Web server, file server, Debian for Kids" etc |
| 17:05.16 | Skaag | thanks |
| 17:05.17 | greycat | Empty: tasksel? |
| 17:05.17 | stew | Skaag: or apt-get isntall pkgname=version |
| 17:05.22 | Empty | greycat, thanks :) |
| 17:05.32 | valdyn_ | rrohde: oh, forget cupsys then i guess |
| 17:05.46 | valdyn_ | rrohde: or use whichever accounting feature cupsys tools provide |
| 17:05.48 | stew | Deffie: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 17:06.30 | rrohde | valdyn_, ok.. sounds good! cupsys/foomatic + cupsys + cupsys-bsd is what I need then? |
| 17:06.41 | stew | its going to be a shame when sarge releases and we don't have a factoid that is as clever as bobbitt for sarge :) |
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| 17:06.55 | valdyn_ | rrohde: printbill wont work with this.. |
| 17:07.01 | valdyn_ | rrohde: but yes.. |
| 17:07.08 | rrohde | valdyn_, ? |
| 17:07.11 | greycat | stew: it'll be a little while before sarge and sid diverge enough to need one. |
| 17:07.14 | rrohde | It really doesn't ? |
| 17:07.28 | greycat | !french fries |
| 17:07.28 | dpkg | french fries are what you get when you cut a potato up into little chunks and boil them in grease. Kinda like the result when you try to install testing or unstable packages on your potato Debian system. |
| 17:07.29 | jasz | ok, so.. when sarge turns to stable and sid to testing... what's the code name of the new "unstable" ? |
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| 17:07.35 | stew | heh |
| 17:07.50 | notroot | hi, can anyone help? i don't know where i made mistake by creating .htaccess and .htpasswd file ... no dialog for user and pass appear ... |
| 17:07.50 | greycat | jasz: sid does not turn to testing! ever! |
| 17:07.53 | stew | jasz: sid is always unstable, etch will be the new testing |
| 17:07.59 | greycat | jasz: the NEW TESTING will be etch. |
| 17:07.59 | jjazz | I thought Sid was always evil |
| 17:08.09 | jasz | oooh... |
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| 17:08.28 | jasz | etch.. i didnt know that one... |
| 17:08.30 | timo | notroot, check /var/log/apache/error.log |
| 17:08.30 | jjazz | poor Sid... so maligned... never gets a chance to redeem himself |
| 17:08.38 | jjazz | jasz: etch-a-sketch |
| 17:08.59 | notroot | what should in this log appear ? |
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| 17:09.11 | takatumi | notroot: good things. |
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| 17:09.19 | greycat | notroot: http://httpd.apache.org/ unless they moved it. |
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| 17:09.40 | timo | notroot, some kind of error message stating why your .htaccess directives aren't taken into account, hopefully |
| 17:09.48 | notroot | i set it like this : http://www.euronet.nl/~arnow/htpasswd/documentation.html |
| 17:09.52 | notroot | but ehm nothing |
| 17:09.57 | greycat | timo: or probably nothing, because he probably forgot to tell apache to *use* it. |
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| 17:10.30 | notroot | in hte httpd.conf is it mentioned so i think he is using it |
| 17:10.32 | stew | notroot: do you have mod_access loaded? |
| 17:10.43 | notroot | stew : i have to check |
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| 17:11.49 | Skaag | strange - there is no snapshot of the package php4-pear |
| 17:12.17 | notroot | stew : how should i load module ? |
| 17:12.56 | stew | notroot: with the 'LoadModule' directive... |
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| 17:14.57 | GarySaved | I get a blank screen when I go to: www.tsfs.org Which worked before. |
| 17:14.57 | Danar | hey, got a little prob here |
| 17:15.03 | notroot | stew : in the httpd.conf ? because i see there only IfModule sections ... |
| 17:15.05 | Danar | i can't get my vid card drivers working |
| 17:15.28 | Danar | i have an ati radeon 9200 se, and i got the drivers from the ati site |
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| 17:15.39 | Danar | i installed it, and went through the fglrxconfig |
| 17:15.42 | Danar | and rebooted |
| 17:15.46 | Rawplayer | Danar BLAME ATI |
| 17:15.48 | Danar | modprobe fglrx |
| 17:15.48 | Danar | FATAL: Module fglrx not found. |
| 17:15.50 | notroot | stew : this IfModule sections seem to be a 'config' for a module ? |
| 17:15.52 | Danar | but i keep getting that |
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| 17:16.01 | Rawplayer | ati sucks |
| 17:16.04 | Rawplayer | end of story |
| 17:16.05 | Rawplayer | :) |
| 17:16.07 | greycat | Danar: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 17:16.10 | GarySaved | Does anyone else get anything? |
| 17:16.12 | Danar | Rawplayer: i know, but that's irrelevant :/ |
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| 17:17.05 | Danar | "Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices)." |
| 17:17.09 | Danar | how exactly do i do that? |
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| 17:17.24 | greycat | if you have to ask, you DON'T. |
| 17:17.24 | GigaGurl | can anyone tell me a good way to search a scsi tape for a specific dir? |
| 17:17.41 | greycat | GigaGurl: I did. |
| 17:17.43 | Danar | greycat: then how do i get it to use my drivers? |
| 17:18.18 | greycat | Danar: just give up. |
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| 17:18.26 | greycat | Danar: it's not worth it. use sarge, and be content. |
| 17:18.31 | Danar | gee, that's helpful |
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| 17:18.40 | GigaGurl | greycat sorry, I don't know HOW. |
| 17:18.41 | GentooGuy69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.43 | GigaGurl | geez |
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| 17:18.53 | Danar | i'm willing to learn |
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| 17:19.21 | stew | notroot: /etc/apache/modules.conf maybe? |
| 17:19.21 | greycat | GigaGurl: if it's in tar format (as you implied earlier but did not state), just do a "tar tzvf /dev/st1 > /var/tmp/tape" and then look through it by hand or grep or vim or less or emacs or joe or ... |
| 17:19.51 | vladster | is thatere a table like the fstab that automount consults for hot plug devices |
| 17:20.05 | greycat | vladster: man automount, man autofs, etc. |
| 17:20.10 | greycat | should be something like /etc/auto*master |
| 17:20.21 | vladster | tnx |
| 17:20.28 | greycat | whichever fucking punctuation character this particular unix flavor uses between auto and master... |
| 17:20.41 | jasz | ah |
| 17:20.42 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 17:20.43 | jasz | i'm happy |
| 17:21.06 | greycat | it's not as bad as trying to remember all the different route(8) syntaxes, but it's still annoying... |
| 17:21.32 | FieldySnuts | del or was it -del ARGH |
| 17:21.33 | vladster | does it work for NFS as well? |
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| 17:21.45 | billatq_ | Anyone happen to have any suggestions for rebuilding initrd's? |
| 17:21.51 | greycat | NFS uses exports(5) |
| 17:21.53 | billatq_ | (Well, custom ones anyway) |
| 17:21.58 | stew | billatq_: man makeinird |
| 17:22.02 | billatq_ | IIRC, it's just a vanilla minix image with stuff copied onto it |
| 17:22.03 | blowfish | stew according to some mailing list there will be a release on apache2 who gona fix the pcre issue |
| 17:22.05 | vladster | on the client side? |
| 17:22.05 | greycat | and yes, Linux's syntax is TOTALLY fucking different from everything else... just because.... |
| 17:22.06 | billatq_ | stew: I have to customize it |
| 17:22.08 | stew | Skaag: err mkinird |
| 17:22.10 | notroot | stew : LoadModule access_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_access.so |
| 17:22.11 | blowfish | does any1 know when will be released? |
| 17:22.22 | greycat | !when will any1 be released |
| 17:22.22 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tea leaves... ok, any1 should be out by Easter. |
| 17:22.39 | FieldySnuts | nice |
| 17:22.45 | greycat | I didn't realize any1 was being held captive, though. |
| 17:22.51 | vladster | I heard from a class that I needed automount to help clients link with nfs shares that are intermittent |
| 17:22.51 | stew | blowfish: i don't know what pcre issue you are talking about, and i don't use apache2 so i don't really care |
| 17:22.55 | stew | blowfish: check the bts |
| 17:22.56 | xenoduck | Free Any1 |
| 17:23.01 | GigaGurl | greycat and if it's not in tar format? |
| 17:23.12 | greycat | GigaGurl: then you need to know what format it IS in. |
| 17:23.28 | pipeline | exports(5) on debian pisses me off |
| 17:23.30 | greycat | GigaGurl: hint: most tapes won't be compressed tarballs, so the 'z' you used earlier is probably not the first thing I'd try. |
| 17:23.33 | pipeline | Because it IS totally different from everything else I've used. |
| 17:23.49 | greycat | pipeline: not just Debian. All GNU/Linux distros. |
| 17:24.32 | pipeline | Debian is the only Linux distribution I'm willing to touch.- |
| 17:24.47 | greycat | good policy. |
| 17:24.54 | takatumi | greycat: what are you implying? it's better on bsd? |
| 17:25.00 | mwilson | It's the only one *worth* touching. |
| 17:25.30 | greycat | takatumi: almost every commercial unix has a syntax like this: "/home -access=dvd:ccf_acq:ccf_dvlp:ccf_adm:ccf_emu:ccf_pmu:svr1:svr1a:ccf_vue:arc1,root=svr2:svr1a" |
| 17:25.42 | mirak | pipeline: ubuntu is nice too |
| 17:25.42 | dataw0lf | cept for Gentoo cuz u can compilez everything omgz i luv compilin everything omgz omgz im a fanboy. |
| 17:25.44 | greycat | takatumi: OpenBSD's syntax is different from both that *and* from Linux. |
| 17:26.10 | FieldySnuts | heh. i use gentoo. and debian. and slackware. i'm just a moving flame targe |
| 17:26.11 | FieldySnuts | t |
| 17:26.34 | pipeline | mirak: Ubuntu, in my experience, is extremely unpleasant. Talk to #ubuntu. |
| 17:26.40 | greycat | why would you voluntarily run Slackware? |
| 17:26.47 | greycat | for that 1996 feeling? |
| 17:26.49 | FieldySnuts | i'm not, i have to be paid to :P |
| 17:26.50 | dataw0lf | pipeline: insofar as what? |
| 17:27.01 | takatumi | greycat: what would command do? |
| 17:27.09 | mirak | pipeline: I am on ubuntu ... |
| 17:27.21 | dataw0lf | Ubuntu is fine for desktop use. |
| 17:27.32 | greycat | takatumi: "command"? opens up a DOS prompt in Win 9x. |
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| 17:27.39 | FieldySnuts | christ can we take the ubuntu chat somewhere else, so annoyingly sick and tired of hearing about it here |
| 17:27.47 | takatumi | greycat: yikes. |
| 17:27.48 | pipeline | dataw0lf: Ah, there are no packages without using multiverse. i.e. using Debian's packages. So fuck it. I'll use Debian. |
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| 17:28.10 | pipeline | I don't like Ubuntu. I think Canonical is shady. There's a separate #ubuntu for that reason. Hang out there, mirak, dataw0lf. |
| 17:28.10 | mirak | dataw0lf: ubuntu standart install you mean. Because it's almost identical to debian otherwise |
| 17:28.31 | mirak | pipeline: I am on both |
| 17:28.43 | mirak | pipeline: because I have both ubuntu and debian |
| 17:28.44 | greycat | takatumi: it's shiny. |
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| 17:28.48 | Skaag | what kind of genious releases a 4.3.10-4 of php4-pear into the unstable stream and breaks everything? |
| 17:28.56 | greycat | !maint php4-pear |
| 17:29.02 | dpkg | php4-pear: Adam Conrad <adconrad@0c3.net> |
| 17:29.02 | Skaag | lol |
| 17:29.04 | greycat | and THERE IS NO 'O' IN GENIUS! |
| 17:29.14 | takatumi | greycat: if that's shiny, mine is glory. |
| 17:29.14 | dvs | oh? |
| 17:29.37 | Skaag | greycat: It's something that somehow stuck with me from french/english transitions |
| 17:29.38 | stew | Skaag: omg did unstable break!!! |
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| 17:29.52 | mwilson | Skaag: Hot tip... that's why it's called *unstable*. You think it's broken? File a g-damned bug so it can get fixed before it migrates into something people should actually be using. |
| 17:29.54 | Skaag | stew: i have no problem with it breaking, as long as it's fixed at some point |
| 17:29.58 | mirak | takatumi: the point of ubuntu is that it makes debian accessible for newbies |
| 17:30.07 | stew | Skaag: it will be |
| 17:30.09 | mirak | and basic desktop user |
| 17:30.11 | Skaag | i know |
| 17:30.25 | mwilson | mirak: The problem is, is there some reason it SHOULD be "accessible" to newbies? |
| 17:30.43 | mirak | mwilson: definitely yes |
| 17:30.43 | dataw0lf | mwilson: that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. |
| 17:30.49 | greycat | dataw0lf: is it? why? |
| 17:30.53 | Skaag | It's just that in my upbringing, you don't usually post bugs that are related to the release process |
| 17:30.53 | mirak | mwilson: you prefer they use mandrake or suse ? |
| 17:31.06 | mwilson | mirak: I don't care in the slightest *what* they use. |
| 17:31.06 | dataw0lf | greycat: it's elitist talk. The newbies of today will be the power users and developers of tomorrow. |
| 17:31.06 | Skaag | it's kinda unholy to bother package maintainers about little stuff |
| 17:31.25 | greycat | dataw0lf: then they can fucking well read the man pages and the documentation like TODAY'S power users and developers did. |
| 17:31.29 | Skaag | or am I wrong |
| 17:31.40 | stew | Skaag: do you think this is little stuff? |
| 17:31.42 | greycat | if they can't read man pages and documentation, then they will NEVER be developers, so they don't matter much in your estimation, now do they? |
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| 17:31.51 | PerfDave | I'm quite happy for newbies to fuck off and play with Ubuntu, just so long as they don't come in here and bother users of real distributions. |
| 17:32.05 | mirak | mwilson: the point is also that even an advanced user might not want to setup everything from config files etcetera. |
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| 17:32.26 | PerfDave | mirak: One of the reasons I use Debian is that I don't have to set everything up from config files. |
| 17:32.27 | Skaag | stew: well, it looks like he was about to release the whole series of 4:4.3.10-4 but only managed php4-pear before his mom called him to lunch, and then lunch was so heavy that he fell asleep, and, like, he's still sleeping right now or something |
| 17:32.37 | greycat | mirak: name ONE configuration file you have to edit by hand after installing sarge in order to get X running. |
| 17:32.37 | dataw0lf | greycat: the point being, that most 'newbies' are looking for an alternative to Windows, ie, they want it to Just Work (tm). |
| 17:32.42 | greycat | mirak: go ahead. I dare you. Just *one*. |
| 17:32.42 | mirak | PerfDave: compared to what ? |
| 17:33.02 | PerfDave | mirak: Compared to the Linux and Unix distros I've used before Debian. |
| 17:33.04 | FieldySnuts | dataw0lf: oh god not that old argument. it's so dusty |
| 17:33.12 | mwilson | dataw0lf: Most newbies have no need of an "alternative to Windows". |
| 17:33.16 | Danar | most, but not all |
| 17:33.21 | stew | Skaag: anyway, why haven't you just pinned old package and moved on, like i told you days ago? |
| 17:33.22 | greycat | dataw0lf: then they can go bloody use whatever they like. I don't care. When *I* started using Linux, it was because I already knew UNIX because I'm OLD and CRUSTY. So bugger off, whippersnapper. |
| 17:33.24 | JoaoMarcus | It's dusty but it's still valid |
| 17:33.27 | mirak | greycat: on debian ppc XF86config-4 |
| 17:33.36 | Skaag | stew: It's the same problem since then... |
| 17:33.40 | PerfDave | The only file I've had to hand-edit since installing Sarge is one in /etc/kde3/kdm/ to allow multiple simulataneous KDE sessions on my box. |
| 17:33.45 | FieldySnuts | just me personally, i ventured into linux land because it WAS NOT windows, i was happy it was nothing like it. I think more "newbies" than you'd think also go that way. |
| 17:33.50 | greycat | mirak: PPC doesn't set up X by itself using standard debconf? |
| 17:33.57 | mwilson | On Debian *PPC*? Get real. There's like, what, four possible video cards? |
| 17:33.58 | Skaag | stew: I was not able to find the php4-pear=4.3.10-3 package, as if it never existed |
| 17:33.59 | xogon | Skaag: what is broken in the new package? |
| 17:34.00 | Skaag | not even in sdn |
| 17:34.02 | dataw0lf | greycat: I'm only 22 *shrug* I've been using Debian for 5 years, Slackware before that. |
| 17:34.06 | FieldySnuts | JoaoMarcus: it's valid troll bait, good job |
| 17:34.08 | stew | Skaag: my question is why are you letting these new packages give you bother, instead of just using the old packages that worked for you? |
| 17:34.14 | Skaag | it's not something in the package itself - it's a simple dependency issue |
| 17:34.17 | mirak | greycat: yes but not on all material |
| 17:34.22 | xogon | Skaag: and did you go to snapshot.debian.net to get the latest non-broken version? |
| 17:34.29 | Skaag | it's not there! |
| 17:34.35 | Skaag | that's what's killing me |
| 17:34.41 | mirak | greycat: I only take an extreme case ;) |
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| 17:34.46 | mwilson | Skaag: Except that it is. |
| 17:34.50 | stew | Skaag: whats not there? the packages that don't exist yet? USE THE OLD PACKAGES |
| 17:35.00 | Skaag | omg... |
| 17:35.03 | xogon | in my opinion php as a scripting language is broken anyhow... |
| 17:35.12 | Skaag | well, you know what, in my opinion too |
| 17:35.22 | greycat | Skaag: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:35.23 | stego | What is the /etc/default directory used for? |
| 17:35.24 | valdyn_ | Skaag: this happens alot in sid |
| 17:35.26 | FieldySnuts | xogon: even if it isn't, it's a great way of yelling 'HEY! EXPLOIT ME!' to the world |
| 17:35.47 | Skaag | valdyn_: I know, and i've learned to live with it - i just go to sdn, get the old package, and i'm done, but this time i can't find it |
| 17:35.52 | greycat | stego: config files that are read in by /etc/init.d/* and other stuff |
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| 17:35.59 | xogon | FieldySnuts: true. its kinda sad. php had such good momentum for a while... |
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| 17:36.25 | stego | greycat, thanks |
| 17:36.27 | stew | Skaag: use the packages from sarge, they work |
| 17:36.30 | alex_joni | short question: is there a PINE package on sarge? |
| 17:36.35 | mwilson | The question really is, why would an unstable user be so clueless as to HAVE to go to sdn to get the old package, seeing as how the old package pre-breakage would still be on their system? |
| 17:36.38 | FieldySnuts | xogon: maybe in a few years after all the BS is hashed through, it'll be more secure, but by it's very nature I don't like it |
| 17:36.39 | mwilson | alex_joni: No. |
| 17:36.40 | stew | alex_joni: pine is non-free so its not in debian |
| 17:36.41 | greycat | alex_joni: short answer: no |
| 17:36.42 | mirak | it seems ubuntu have a public after all. I don't think there is a really huge difference between debian and ubuntu, the approach is just slightly different and anyway ubuntu couldn't live without debian |
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| 17:36.54 | greycat | alex_joni: longer answer: /msg dpkg pine |
| 17:37.01 | FieldySnuts | god damn it, talk about ubuntu somewhere else, geez |
| 17:37.10 | t-dub | heh |
| 17:37.13 | mwilson | mirak: Ubuntu is the Gnome wet-dream. That's the way to look at it. |
| 17:37.17 | t-dub | the name will make anyone cranky |
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| 17:37.31 | greycat | mwilson: so it's, like, all covered with sticky white fluids? |
| 17:37.33 | dataw0lf | FieldySnuts: you were talking about a dusty argument? PHP yelling 'Hey! Exploit Me!' ? |
| 17:37.50 | FieldySnuts | well there's usually one subject in here that's off topic and brought up so much that it irritates a lot of people, used to be knoppix, lately it's the U word |
| 17:38.01 | FieldySnuts | dataw0lf: you clearly don't have real world production experience, then. ta ta now. |
| 17:38.03 | dataw0lf | if you can't code securely, switching to Python, Perl, Ruby, etc, isn't going to help you. |
| 17:38.10 | FieldySnuts | this is true |
| 17:38.22 | PerfDave | greycat: Covering Gnome in sticky white fluids might make it look more attractive. It could hardly make it look worse ;) |
| 17:38.26 | mwilson | mirak: I laugh out loud whenever I see idiots whining about running KDE on Ubuntu, or using it for servers, or etc. Whyinhell would you bother with Ubuntu, for instance, if you wanted for some reason to use KDE? |
| 17:38.26 | dataw0lf | FieldySnuts: ha, I assure you, I have 'real world production' experience. |
| 17:38.36 | FieldySnuts | oh my, for a server heh |
| 17:38.43 | ningo | heh |
| 17:38.52 | alex_joni | hmm.. I understand, so how do I install pine? |
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| 17:38.58 | mirak | mwilson: why not, but I have kde with it. |
| 17:39.02 | ningo | !heh |
| 17:39.02 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. Or http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh |
| 17:39.04 | t-dub | Gnome + Sticky White Fluids = ? |
| 17:39.13 | Skaag | stew: so i should move to 'testing'? |
| 17:39.19 | mwilson | alex_joni: You download a Pine tarball, you read the instructions, you build Pine. Is this a trick question? |
| 17:39.21 | mirak | mwilson: I mean I have both |
| 17:39.23 | alex_joni | are there debs out there? or should I compile from tar.gz ? |
| 17:39.29 | mwilson | mirak: Why would you do something so silly? |
| 17:39.31 | greycat | alex_joni: /msg dpkg pine |
| 17:39.39 | ningo | the link is broken |
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| 17:39.43 | mirak | mwilson: because I am ? |
| 17:39.46 | stew | Skaag: you can't move from sid to testing. you are saying you can't find a set of php4 pacakges that work, i'm saying the ones in testing will work |
| 17:39.59 | Skaag | yes that's what i meant |
| 17:40.00 | alex_joni | greycat: tried that already, but I can't find a source package for pine(4) |
| 17:40.01 | t-dub | libapache2-php4 works |
| 17:40.03 | greycat | Skaag: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:40.04 | mwilson | The ONLY reason to use Ubuntu is if you buy into the Gnome wet-dream... otherwise just about anything else is a better alternative. |
| 17:40.13 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: what's the gnome wet-dream? |
| 17:40.14 | krystal | krystal: no idea why ? |
| 17:40.14 | Skaag | greycat: I've spent the last 30 minutes on sdn |
| 17:40.16 | greycat | alex_joni: *shrug* well, it's an old factoid. |
| 17:40.20 | FieldySnuts | other than two feet with a.. n/m |
| 17:40.21 | krystal | oops sry |
| 17:40.36 | mirak | mwilson: no, you will find better support on ubuntu website |
| 17:40.40 | alex_joni | thx anyways... I'll just do it the old way ;) |
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| 17:40.43 | mirak | for newbies |
| 17:40.53 | t-dub | geez |
| 17:40.54 | greycat | ^! |
| 17:40.54 | stew | Skaag: did you have it working at some point on this box? do you still have debs in apt's cache perhaps? |
| 17:40.56 | greycat | damn it. |
| 17:40.57 | t-dub | support = M$ |
| 17:41.04 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Plese let me put that Ubuntu comment in my .sig :) |
| 17:41.07 | t-dub | Debian dont need support |
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| 17:41.17 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Which one? :) |
| 17:41.18 | FieldySnuts | indeed. the users have a clue. |
| 17:41.21 | greycat | mwilson: you forgot to mention the god-king. |
| 17:41.25 | mirak | mwilson: ye what is gnome wet dream ? ^^ |
| 17:41.25 | Skaag | stew: Yes I had it working - checking the cache |
| 17:41.31 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Gnome wet-dream one. :) |
| 17:41.43 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Go ahead, if it tickles you? |
| 17:41.43 | t-dub | apt-cache search wet-dream |
| 17:41.53 | thomas_adam | mwilson: It amuses me, yes. |
| 17:42.04 | mwilson | mirak: Haven't you ever heard people like Havoc and WauWau speak? |
| 17:42.09 | grendal_prime | whats the dir directive for alowing file viewing in apache? |
| 17:42.19 | greycat | grendal_prime: Indexes or something. |
| 17:42.21 | mirak | mwilson: nope sorry |
| 17:42.33 | mirak | mwilson: what are they talking about :) |
| 17:42.35 | Empty | I get an error when I try to 'apt-get install gwetdream' |
| 17:42.46 | resiak | Empty: Try kwetdream |
| 17:42.50 | resiak | Empty: ...or wetdream.app |
| 17:42.53 | greycat | !find wetdream sid |
| 17:42.53 | Empty | resiak, thanks |
| 17:43.02 | FieldySnuts | heh .app |
| 17:43.03 | grendal_prime | and this program does what? |
| 17:43.03 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'wetdream' returned no results. |
| 17:43.07 | Empty | resiak, oh cool, did not know there was a WM wetdream |
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| 17:43.16 | resiak | Empty: You mean GNUstep, surely :) |
| 17:43.21 | mwilson | It must cause WauWau actual pain every time some cluebie asks about running KDE on Ubuntu. |
| 17:43.27 | Empty | resiak, I mean Fluxbox, really :P |
| 17:43.34 | PerfDave | #ubuntu is a nice friendly channel, but in the months I was lurking there they were stupendously bad at actually fixing people's problems. |
| 17:43.40 | resiak | Empty: Uh, the whole .app thing is GNUstep. |
| 17:43.46 | greycat | PerfDave: the nice ones usually are. |
| 17:43.47 | Skaag | ok I found a huge historical archive of all debs on my storage box ;-) |
| 17:43.48 | KillerBunny | Anyone got a ATI remote in here under linux? |
| 17:43.52 | PerfDave | greycat: ##debian? ;) |
| 17:43.55 | KillerBunny | Debian. |
| 17:43.56 | t-dub | Sys-V.app |
| 17:43.57 | Skaag | (a box with a shitload of storage so I never erase enything) |
| 17:44.01 | FieldySnuts | @start a gpu war |
| 17:44.03 | ravenbird | ATI's drivers suck, try nVidia instead |
| 17:44.05 | Empty | resiak, All I know is they work in my slit, which is in Flux whic is IIRC a fork off blackbox |
| 17:44.13 | Empty | which, again, IIRC, is based on WM |
| 17:44.16 | greycat | PerfDave: I'm probably preemptively banned from any "friendly" help channel :) |
| 17:44.17 | mwilson | PerfDave: That's because mirak's favorite people are all that's there. It's like linuxquestions.org... the clued stay far, far, FAR away. |
| 17:44.18 | KillerBunny | Its a remote, not a gfx card. |
| 17:44.19 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hehe he said "works in my slit" |
| 17:44.28 | t-dub | haha |
| 17:44.33 | FieldySnuts | ow. |
| 17:44.35 | mwilson | Empty: Wrong. |
| 17:44.42 | t-dub | Cool! |
| 17:44.45 | PerfDave | I'd consider running Ubuntu if it had KDE, except that I can't see any reason to use it over Sarge. |
| 17:44.48 | t-dub | it works in my slit too! |
| 17:44.49 | mwilson | Empty: Blackbox isn't based on anything. |
| 17:45.10 | t-dub | i think its based on a window manager *grin* |
| 17:45.26 | greycat | it's based on "hello, world". only totally different. |
| 17:45.27 | Empty | mwilson, Oh... Not too up on my X knowledge, been running servers for years but have not been playing with Linux on a desktop for too long |
| 17:45.34 | mirak | mwilson: so what do you reproach then to ubuntu, if it drags newbies away from debian ? |
| 17:45.38 | KillerBunny | PerfDave, i think one of the major features in Ubuntu is the integeration with gnome. |
| 17:45.42 | grendal_prime | KillerBunny, MontyPyton fan? |
| 17:45.46 | KillerBunny | Yeah. |
| 17:45.53 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 17:45.54 | PerfDave | KillerBunny: It's arguable as to whether that's a feature ;) |
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| 17:45.58 | Empty | greycat, I think *wetdream is based on "hello nurse" |
| 17:46.04 | mwilson | mirak: "reproach"? |
| 17:46.09 | mirak | PerfDave: I have kde on ubuntu. I am on gnome right know though |
| 17:46.15 | PerfDave | KillerBunny: Anyway, I don't mind if Ubuntu has good Gnome integration, but if a distro doesn't have KDE then I'm not going to use it. |
| 17:46.15 | grendal_prime | what in the hell is wetdream app? |
| 17:46.18 | stew | !bunnicula KillerBunny |
| 17:46.21 | grendal_prime | you are kidding i hope |
| 17:46.21 | mirak | mwilson: hem wait I must google translate |
| 17:46.21 | KillerBunny | Or was 9+ years ago when i got the nick. |
| 17:46.21 | FieldySnuts | grendal_prime: that's what i'd like to know |
| 17:46.26 | greycat | mirak: I'm all for newbies going away so I don't have to interact with them. |
| 17:46.31 | FieldySnuts | greycat: hell yeah |
| 17:46.37 | KillerBunny | PerfDave, why is that? |
| 17:46.55 | PerfDave | KillerBunny: Because KDE is the only faintly usable DE / WM out there. |
| 17:46.58 | mirak | mwilson: yes , reproach |
| 17:46.58 | KillerBunny | KDE is a bad joke imo (not trying to start a WM war here). |
| 17:47.09 | greycat | mirak: the *problem* is that they come *here* with their Ubuntu and Knoppix problems because (a) they think they're running Debian, when they aren't, and/or (b) nobody in #ubuntu or #knoppix can answer their questions. |
| 17:47.13 | mwilson | PerfDave: Uh, KDE is the only faintly usable WM out there? |
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| 17:47.20 | PerfDave | KillerBunny: I've used the others, and hatehatehate them with a passion, and would rather use ttys and lynx than suffer them. |
| 17:47.24 | mirak | greycat: true |
| 17:47.25 | PerfDave | mwilson: IMHO, yes. |
| 17:47.33 | FieldySnuts | it's be nice if those chans would put in thier topics and tell people not to come here. you know that won't happen. |
| 17:47.34 | gino | when does sarge finally become stable??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 17:47.36 | FieldySnuts | @ep |
| 17:47.38 | ravenbird | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:47.40 | resiak | !tell gino about wwsr |
| 17:47.49 | greycat | gino: when your question mark key has been removed. |
| 17:47.53 | resiak | :tell gino about piss off and learn to punctuate |
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| 17:48.02 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 17:48.02 | FieldySnuts | resiak: heh wrong chan |
| 17:48.02 | KillerBunny | gino, never ? |
| 17:48.08 | PerfDave | mwilson: I do that too. But I suspect for different reasons. |
| 17:48.12 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Heh. |
| 17:48.35 | mirak | greycat: they should just ask their question, without mentionning they are on knoppix or ubuntu ... |
| 17:48.41 | resiak | mirak: And they do. |
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| 17:48.45 | KillerBunny | Isnt the point in sarge that it will never become stable? |
| 17:48.51 | mirak | resiak: :) |
| 17:48.52 | RichiH | KillerBunny: that's sid |
| 17:48.54 | resiak | mirak: After a while, they paste an error which contains the tell-tale words. |
| 17:48.55 | PerfDave | KillerBunny: No, you're thinking of Sid, which wil never become stable. |
| 17:49.01 | mirak | lol |
| 17:49.03 | simonrvn | KillerBunny: what universe are you from? |
| 17:49.06 | resiak | mirak: I'm not making this up. |
| 17:49.07 | KillerBunny | This one. |
| 17:49.31 | mirak | resiak: I believe you |
| 17:49.32 | greycat | mirak: I can confirm resiak's statements. |
| 17:49.32 | simurg | sorry about gino's anger. we are constantly trying to provide a good service for students here. fighting about damn symantec firewall rubbish. lobbying for linux. we want debian stable |
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| 17:49.57 | mirak | I do the same, exept I change the error message a bit |
| 17:50.01 | mirak | ^;) |
| 17:50.01 | FieldySnuts | heh symantec, now I know why you gusy are all uptight |
| 17:50.02 | PerfDave | simurg: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 17:50.06 | RichiH | mirak: 'dpkg: command not found' is a good sign, for example ;) |
| 17:50.10 | FieldySnuts | @lart symantec "firewalls" |
| 17:50.10 | simurg | we provide mailrelay systems on unstable etc.. |
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| 17:50.28 | resiak | greycat: Yesterday, I only answered one question, and the answer was "!amd64". The fact that he was on Ubuntu still slipped out :) |
| 17:50.30 | mwilson | mirak: Which is even more stupid, because of Crappix's idiotic init, or it's X packages, or Ubuntu's force-feeding of udev and friends, and then you find out that their *actual* problem is specific to a Crappix/Ubuntu mis-feature, after you beat out of them what they're actually using. |
| 17:50.33 | mirak | RichiH: what can lead to that error ? |
| 17:50.42 | RichiH | mirak: .. |
| 17:50.51 | resiak | mirak: Being on SuSE. |
| 17:50.58 | RichiH | simurg: just use sarge right now |
| 17:51.06 | mirak | RichiH: oh I wasn't thinking you would go that far :) |
| 17:51.10 | simurg | guys.. comeon. its now 3 years... 3.0 to 3 .1 |
| 17:51.14 | resiak | abrotman: Did you get SuSE off your box yet? |
| 17:51.19 | resiak | !tell simurg about siyh |
| 17:51.32 | greycat | !tell simurg about wir |
| 17:51.41 | simurg | RichiH :need saslauthd withg cyrus and ldap ... (opnly unstable) |
| 17:51.43 | RichiH | simurg: so? if you don't want to have software that old, use testing until at some point, sarge is released |
| 17:51.48 | simonrvn | @tell simurg about rsn |
| 17:52.03 | dvs | !sarge |
| 17:52.03 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 17:52.08 | RichiH | simurg: if it's only in unstable, sarge becoming stable will not help you :) |
| 17:52.11 | mirak | mwilson: don't know, I have installed udev on debian. what do you mean by force-feeding ? |
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| 17:52.23 | greycat | mirak: you're insane. |
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| 17:53.01 | mirak | greycat: it was on debian ppc. In fact gnome hal needed it I think |
| 17:53.04 | gino | in testing the security-team is not working |
| 17:53.05 | simonrvn | greycat: a few people have noted that |
| 17:53.13 | mwilson | mirak: You have no choice about using udev and friends on Ubuntu... you're stuck with the whole stupidity hit parade. |
| 17:53.20 | mirak | or gnome device something |
| 17:53.32 | simonrvn | gin the security team *is* working. the security *updates* aren't, yet |
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| 17:53.38 | simonrvn | gino: ^^^ |
| 17:53.45 | simonrvn | gino: the security team *is* working. the security *updates* aren't, yet |
| 17:53.49 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:53.59 | resiak | mirak: Yes, gnome-volume-manager needs it. You don't _need_ g-v-m, though :) |
| 17:54.10 | gino | and in testing you have 20-updates every week |
| 17:54.12 | simonrvn | mirak: hal deps on udev. no matter thearch. duh |
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| 17:54.34 | resiak | gino: If that bothers you, use Stable. |
| 17:54.35 | RichiH | gino: it's pretty easy, actually |
| 17:54.44 | simonrvn | gino: go bitch elsewhere if you have nothing to offer besides bitching |
| 17:54.46 | gino | cool |
| 17:55.00 | mirak | resiak: I think gvm is appreciable for a desktop |
| 17:55.01 | simurg | guys :) cool ... |
| 17:55.02 | RichiH | gino: either, you wait for sarge to become stable or you use it right now. discussing this won't change a thing. |
| 17:55.37 | resiak | mirak: Well, then, deal with udev :) Of course, you've already said that you don't mind it, and nor do I, so. |
| 17:55.44 | gino | mybe i need more recent packages because my user want them. |
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| 17:56.11 | resiak | gino: Well, then, use Sarge! |
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| 17:56.29 | Danar | i just compiled the fglrx module, and went to install it, but got this error: |
| 17:56.31 | Danar | - trying a sample load of the kernel module |
| 17:56.31 | Danar | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.9-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 17:56.31 | Danar | failed. |
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| 17:56.43 | Danar | oops |
| 17:56.47 | simonrvn | @lart Danar |
| 17:56.52 | gino | but i am sad because the debian-project is loosing users everyday because of that. its just not professional that a release takes so long |
| 17:57.03 | drac | Danar: You need to quit X and kill everything using agpgart before you can insert the module. |
| 17:57.05 | simonrvn | gino: gimme a break |
| 17:57.07 | drac | ;) |
| 17:57.10 | Danar | did thx |
| 17:57.13 | Danar | *thx |
| 17:57.32 | mwilson | gino: Then why aren't you in there helping, instead of whining about it? |
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| 17:57.44 | gino | i am out there using it |
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| 17:57.53 | mwilson | gino: So? |
| 17:58.16 | mwilson | gino: When was the last bug report you filed? When was the last bug you helped fix? |
| 17:58.26 | gino | no users = no developers = no free software |
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| 17:58.39 | mwilson | gino: Unlikely in the extreme. |
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| 17:58.48 | resiak | gino: Just go find bugs. |
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| 17:59.36 | glutinous | you can usually just compile your own packages into /usr/local if you really needed them |
| 17:59.38 | glutinous | or backports.org |
| 17:59.46 | stew | gino: the debian project might be losing users everyday becuase of old packages, but its gaining more users everyday becuase of its stability |
| 17:59.59 | gino | there are only few bugs right now. i think it should be possible to fasten the process. first it was the installer, then hardware and now? |
| 18:00.04 | TheBlueWizard | gino: that's what testing is for....if you use testing cuz you want the newer software for "daily use", well, tough.... |
| 18:00.05 | mind | hi, where i can find the kernel-image-2.6.9 for i686 in sid? there are only the images for k7/8 and emt64-p4 |
| 18:00.22 | mwilson | gino: So, what you're saying is that you actually have no idea how many bugs there are, right? |
| 18:00.22 | pipeline | gino: The Debian project is explicitly not professional. It was envisioned as a community project from day one. |
| 18:00.37 | stew | gino: are you saying that some of the developers arent working fast enough for you? maybe you should help |
| 18:00.43 | mwilson | "there are only few bugs right now..." |
| 18:01.13 | valdyn_ | gino: debian has a policy, you would need to change it to really change anything in that matter |
| 18:01.31 | valdyn_ | gino: or create your own "release" fork |
| 18:01.43 | vladster | something is still missing |
| 18:01.58 | vladster | can't put my finger on it |
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| 18:02.37 | glutinous | you can also use the debian offshoots. i hear good things about ubuntu and that other one... forgot its name - progeny? |
| 18:02.38 | gino | sorry please take the users seriously. |
| 18:03.01 | FieldySnuts | c_C |
| 18:03.07 | takatumi | gino: we are all users, ultimately. |
| 18:03.07 | leonel | Sarge where are you come out come out wherever you are ! |
| 18:03.22 | takatumi | leonel: go fix bugs! |
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| 18:03.27 | gino | i am looking for an other distro, but debian is the best :) |
| 18:03.37 | Deffie | i'am unable to find the option which generates i2c-proc in kernel 2.6.10, it is still present or i'm using an obsolete version of lm-sensors ? |
| 18:03.43 | glutinous | you might like ubuntu? |
| 18:03.45 | takatumi | gino: then stfu and get on with it. |
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| 18:04.11 | gino | but why are this release takeing so long |
| 18:04.19 | mwilson | Deffie: You don't use lm-sensors in 2.6 kernels, other than for the user-space tools. Amazing how that's what the documentation says... |
| 18:04.26 | glutinous | there are a lot of bugs |
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| 18:04.39 | leonel | glutinous: yes ubuntu is addictive nice distro |
| 18:04.40 | abrotman | resiak: kind of .. it's got ygdrassil now |
| 18:04.52 | mentor | takatumi: Easy. |
| 18:04.57 | glutinous | and i think they wait until bugs for all platforms are ready before releasing? |
| 18:05.02 | mwilson | Ubuntu addictive? I ran for cover. |
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| 18:05.23 | gino | has the base system really been frozen? |
| 18:05.30 | dvs | glutinous: They're waiting on about 100 bugs |
| 18:05.30 | mentor | gino: Yes. |
| 18:05.31 | mwilson | It survived on my junk box for less than a day. |
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| 18:05.52 | mind | Hmm the kernel-image-2.6.9-9-em64t-p4 is ok for a p4 2.8 NON ht? |
| 18:06.01 | gino | so how long can they go on with a frozen base? |
| 18:06.05 | takatumi | mwilson: same here, made a good debootstrap bitch out of it. |
| 18:06.10 | mwilson | As long as they want. |
| 18:06.13 | mind | (the kernel-image-2.6.9-686 has disappeared) |
| 18:06.14 | Deffie | mwilson what i have to use on 2.6 ? |
| 18:06.21 | leonel | mwilson: been runnin on my laptop since warty was released without any failure |
| 18:06.24 | valdyn_ | mind: I doubt it, do you use a xeon w/ em64t? |
| 18:06.27 | glutinous | i dunno... im happy with debian :) it is the most easiest out of all the distributions i have tried (pretty much all of them) |
| 18:07.05 | leonel | mwilson: but I'm sick to debian |
| 18:07.16 | mind | valdyn_: no, my cpu is a P4 2.8 gz, i can't find the kernel-image-2.6.9-686 |
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| 18:07.31 | gino | mybe the debian project has grown to be too large? so it is too difficult to get the work done? |
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| 18:07.43 | mind | valdyn_: without ht technology |
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| 18:08.44 | vladster | greycat: once the auto.misc and the auto.master have been edited, I reloded autofs and it did not mount. Is there an entry in the fstab that is required or am I mmissing something in the two files I edited. the man pages are pretty basic and do not go into too much detail in the setting up |
| 18:08.57 | glutinous | last i checked, i think they are moving towards more frequent releases... so just wait out a bit. use something else for the time being otherwise |
| 18:09.08 | gino | or are they takeing so long because the developpers make software only for themselves without considering the users need |
| 18:09.27 | glutinous | i certainly don't want debian's quality to be harmed... so i am happy to let them take their time |
| 18:09.38 | valdyn_ | mind: you're on sid? |
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| 18:09.44 | glutinous | no they are working on debian |
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| 18:09.51 | vladster | using sarge here |
| 18:09.53 | glutinous | bug reports i have submitted are answered promptly |
| 18:09.58 | Danar | i tried booting to single mode, but i still can't load the fglrx module |
| 18:10.03 | Danar | [fglrx:firegl_stub_register] *ERROR* Fire GL kernel module has to be loaded prior to any other DRM kernel module! |
| 18:10.06 | gino | what developper does really work with woody?? |
| 18:10.09 | SpamHog | Question: can I install Debian on a 386 via serial ONLY? Will the tty's come alive anyway or is there a hidden trick? |
| 18:10.11 | mind | valdyn_: yep |
| 18:10.13 | Danar | how do i get it to load first? |
| 18:10.20 | vladster | it is the only thing that supports all this hardware and using the 2.6 kernel as well |
| 18:10.23 | glutinous | gino: you don't need the latest and greatest of everything to do your work |
| 18:10.34 | mentor | gino: Lots of people do use it on productions servers. |
| 18:10.43 | valdyn_ | mind: no idea why these packages are missing right now. try 2.6.8 or maybe 2.6.10 |
| 18:10.53 | gino | all developpers are working on sid and they just dont care about sarge? |
| 18:10.59 | petemc | glutinous: depends what your work is |
| 18:11.08 | stew | gino: that is so far from the truth |
| 18:11.26 | valdyn_ | gino: theyre working - but realease critical bugs are found _Every_ day |
| 18:11.36 | vladster | I hade to use the nvidia driver fronm sid on sarge because the 6111 driver is depwreciated |
| 18:11.37 | takatumi | !troll feed |
| 18:11.37 | stew | gino: its rather insulting to the devopers to that are working their buts off to get sarge out |
| 18:11.39 | glutinous | petemc: ofcourse there are exceptions, but i gather, for most people, it is not necessary |
| 18:11.45 | gino | i want to setup a stable mail system but i need some newer apps. |
| 18:11.57 | petemc | glutinous: fair enough :) |
| 18:11.58 | valdyn_ | gino: bug count had been zero for a long time if people wouldnt constantly find new ones |
| 18:12.01 | Deffie | mwilson says that i shouldnt use lm-sensors in 2.6, what is the 2.6 way to do what lm-sensors was doing ? |
| 18:12.01 | stew | gino: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:12.13 | mind | valdyn_: i'm on a 2.6.10 now, but the nvidia nonfree modules causes crash on this kernel, on the 2.6.9 all worked ok... |
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| 18:12.23 | vladster | then compile the apps to the system from tarballs |
| 18:12.39 | vladster | You get the newest app with the stability |
| 18:12.45 | mind | valdyn_: i'll use again the 2.6.8 thank you :) |
| 18:12.46 | glutinous | and for custom compiling, i find the stow utility is great. |
| 18:12.49 | mind | bye all |
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| 18:12.52 | valdyn_ | mind: yea because 2.6.10 requires nvidia's driver to be patched. but 2.6.8 should be fine |
| 18:12.52 | vladster | use wget to satisfy the deps |
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| 18:13.07 | mind | valdyn_: thank you :) |
| 18:13.08 | afaik | I think something is going down... |
| 18:13.09 | Danar | how do i get a module to load before others? |
| 18:13.13 | mind | bye :) |
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| 18:13.18 | afaik | is there some tool i can run to sniff out funny things? |
| 18:13.27 | afaik | My system is suddenly acting up :( |
| 18:13.28 | stew | afaik: "funny things"? |
| 18:13.33 | afaik | ls causes the terminal to freeze |
| 18:13.36 | afaik | amongst other things |
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| 18:13.47 | takatumi | afayk what else? |
| 18:13.50 | afaik | like root being deined access to directories and stuff |
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| 18:14.12 | afaik | I can't be "rooted" as this server is not accessible from the outside world |
| 18:14.15 | FieldySnuts | install chkrootkit and rkhunter, run them |
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| 18:15.05 | petemc | afaik: by what definition of "not accessible"? |
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| 18:15.24 | simurg | no doubt: debian is great. but gino had to let it out. have a nice day! |
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| 18:15.38 | afaik | it's inside the network with a private ip address... I access it from home sometimes, but this requires ssh'ing into the main box, then into another, and then into mine |
| 18:15.39 | stego | What is sit0? |
| 18:15.57 | stew | afaik: hardware going flaky maybe? can you drop the harddrive into another machine and see if the errors persist? |
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| 18:16.02 | petemc | stego: ip tunnel, commenly used for ipv6 in ipv4 |
| 18:16.04 | l0l | Hello |
| 18:16.07 | karamelos | need to split a video file or an archive to fit in 2 cds. which program can I use? |
| 18:16.07 | l0l | I am here for linux chat |
| 18:16.09 | petemc | commonly, even |
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| 18:16.16 | l0l | 25/m/RI |
| 18:16.17 | vladster | I could use a few more pointeres on getting my usb drive working if anyone could spare a moment |
| 18:16.21 | petemc | karamelos: guess :) |
| 18:16.24 | simonrvn | l0l: wrong channel then |
| 18:16.27 | afaik | stew, sadly, I am thinking that is the case :/ |
| 18:16.42 | afaik | Checking `sniffer'... lo: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[3205]) |
| 18:16.42 | stego | petemc, ok, installed as default on Sarge? |
| 18:16.42 | l0l | simonrvn what is good channel for linux chat |
| 18:16.52 | l0l | for a 25/m/RI/b |
| 18:16.56 | simonrvn | try efnet |
| 18:16.56 | stew | afaik: you could give memtest86 a shot |
| 18:16.57 | petemc | stego: not sure, could be |
| 18:17.03 | xogon | anyone know how/where to get update-menus to run a custom script for one particular wm after it updates the menus? |
| 18:17.04 | l0l | simonrvn what is efnet |
| 18:17.10 | stego | petemc, thanks |
| 18:17.12 | stew | l0l: if you don't have a #debian related question please go somewhere else |
| 18:17.19 | l0l | my linux put me in this channel |
| 18:17.25 | l0l | I would like to talk about linux please |
| 18:17.30 | stew | l0l: try /part |
| 18:17.32 | simonrvn | your irc client |
| 18:17.35 | l0l | why doesnt my usb 2.0 hard drive work |
| 18:17.45 | N-MAN | happy valentine day for everyone! ;) |
| 18:17.46 | simonrvn | because |
| 18:17.51 | valdyn_ | !faq l0l |
| 18:17.51 | dpkg | l0l: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:17.53 | Deffie | mwilson says that i shouldnt use lm-sensors in 2.6, what is the 2.6 way to do what lm-sensors was doing ? |
| 18:17.56 | l0l | Happy valentine day tro you N-MAN! |
| 18:18.01 | l0l | I hope you find true love. |
| 18:18.01 | simonrvn | N-MAN: you too. hope your partner and you are happy |
| 18:18.05 | vladster | do you have udev and automount installed |
| 18:18.12 | N-MAN | :) |
| 18:18.13 | takatumi | !pak l0l |
| 18:18.19 | takatumi | gah |
| 18:18.26 | abrotman | takatumi: don't you hate it when that happens :) |
| 18:18.29 | l0l | What is pak |
| 18:18.31 | karamelos | petemc, :| not gessing |
| 18:18.33 | afaik | what does he mean by 25/m/RI/b? |
| 18:18.37 | takatumi | abrotman: absofuckinglutely |
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| 18:18.52 | vladster | lol: I am wrestling with that right now on rge |
| 18:18.55 | stew | afaik: he means you should type "/ignore l0l" into your client |
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| 18:18.57 | l0l | afaik that is net-talk to let you know that I am 25 year old man from rhode island who is a bisexual |
| 18:19.26 | abrotman | l0l: it's certainly not here |
| 18:19.27 | afaik | l0l: in other words, to let me know to add you to my ignore list |
| 18:19.28 | l0l | Vladster it work ok on my windoze but not so good on macintosh or on linix |
| 18:19.33 | petemc | karamelos: split |
| 18:19.39 | abrotman | just kill him now |
| 18:19.44 | vladster | what brand |
| 18:19.54 | l0l | vladster- it is a new one hold on let me check the drive |
| 18:19.55 | afaik | l0l: also, I think it's to let the ops know they should ban you |
| 18:20.03 | l0l | it is very pretty aluminium 1sec |
| 18:20.03 | stew | l0l: what version of debian do you use? |
| 18:20.17 | abrotman | vladster: don't encourage |
| 18:20.18 | stew | l0l: how did you install it? |
| 18:20.21 | karamelos | petemc, I looked for split with apt-cache, but I guess it is part of another program. |
| 18:20.27 | simonrvn | l0l: this isn't a chat channel. it's a distro support channel. type /server irc.efnet.net and then /join #linux |
| 18:20.34 | l0l | it is venus ds3 enclosure vladster, it is best enclosure i have had |
| 18:20.37 | valdyn_ | Deffie: lm-sensors-modules are included in 2.6, guess that is what mwilson referred to |
| 18:20.44 | abrotman | l0l: cat /etc/debian_version ... what does it say ? |
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| 18:20.53 | l0l | stew- i will have to turn on that computer to see what is version, i installed linix like 3 week ago |
| 18:21.06 | takatumi | linix? |
| 18:21.06 | vladster | I am still trying to figure out what I am missing in Sarge to get my juympdrive to load |
| 18:21.07 | l0l | i just plugged drive in like in xp but it not working |
| 18:21.11 | petemc | karamelos: its in the base, part of coreutils, /msg dpkg search |
| 18:21.17 | abrotman | this is not #windows |
| 18:21.19 | stew | l0l: so you were trying to get it working with the computer off? |
| 18:21.29 | takatumi | stew: haha |
| 18:21.29 | greycat | "plugged drive in"... USB? firewire? |
| 18:21.34 | l0l | stew ^o^ oh no silly |
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| 18:21.51 | karamelos | petemc, thx |
| 18:21.51 | restrex | a |
| 18:21.56 | l0l | it is turned off now because i was checking the points on usb port to make sure did not needed solder |
| 18:22.04 | l0l | they appear ok! |
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| 18:22.14 | takatumi | usb solder? |
| 18:22.16 | abrotman | l0l: so you're not on a debian system ? |
| 18:22.31 | l0l | not right now if u version me u will see mirc |
| 18:22.37 | vladster | trying to be |
| 18:22.37 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:22.37 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:22.40 | afaik | hahahah |
| 18:22.45 | afaik | abrotman, that's useless |
| 18:23.05 | l0l | takatum when I have computer problem i try to check to see is wires in good condition many times is easy solution to complicated looking issues |
| 18:23.08 | zOap | l0l, I'm very sorry, but i have problems with understanding your english... |
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| 18:23.28 | l0l | zoap i am sorry i have just come to america 2 year previous |
| 18:23.42 | zOap | l0l, ok. |
| 18:23.43 | takatumi | l0l: hmm, ol. |
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| 18:23.52 | stew | l0l: it worked fine in windows but you thought it didn't work in "linux" becuase it needed solder? ok. |
| 18:23.57 | l0l | : ( there is thunderstorm outside. |
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| 18:24.00 | stew | l0l: until you are actually running debian we can't help you, so please |
| 18:24.02 | abrotman | l0l: you're not using debian .. it's not our problem |
| 18:24.03 | stew | move on... |
| 18:24.21 | l0l | I am going to turn off computer so does not get lightning, I will come back when storm is over |
| 18:24.23 | l0l | thank u all! |
| 18:24.28 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:24.28 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:24.32 | paulswm | It's not still Sunday is it? |
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| 18:24.41 | abrotman | paulswm: in georgia i think it is |
| 18:24.52 | afaik | LMAO |
| 18:24.58 | afaik | <l0l> I am going to turn off computer so does not get lightning, I will come back when storm is |
| 18:25.05 | afaik | funniest thing I ever saw |
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| 18:25.13 | vladster | Maybe we should set up a webinar for these particular hardware issues and post dates accordingly with online voice q anda after |
| 18:25.19 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 18:25.30 | abrotman | !hug eeyore- |
| 18:25.39 | paulswm | I liked stew's remark: <stew> l0l: it worked fine in windows but you thought it didn't work in "linux" becuase it needed solder? ok. |
| 18:25.41 | eeyore- | holy cow! i love "testdisk" :-) it recovered my linux partition for me. i'm soooooo happy :-) |
| 18:25.48 | valdyn_ | afaik: its true though if your power line is above ground |
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| 18:26.13 | greycat | eeyore-: you're still missing your tail |
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| 18:26.23 | afaik | THANK U! |
| 18:26.28 | abrotman | afaik: not funny |
| 18:26.40 | afaik | hahahah |
| 18:26.42 | abrotman | greycat: he has a tail .. but last week it got stuck in a door |
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| 18:26.56 | Empty | Hey guys, where is the global "default window manager" set? |
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| 18:27.11 | greycat | Empty: update-alternative --config x-window-manager |
| 18:27.11 | justin | !tell Empty about wm |
| 18:27.19 | eeyore- | i had a linux partition on firewire disk, where i put dd images of local partitions on it. then i went to install xp and stupidly deleted THAT partition cuz i wasn't paying attention. then ..... xp must have written new partition table with different geometry (and i didn't realize it) and so i couldn't make my ext2 partition/e2fsck it any more. i ran testdisk and it found the original layout and everything, all seems peachy now |
| 18:27.21 | greycat | oops, I missed an 's'. |
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| 18:27.24 | simonrvn | there isn't any.... but, do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager to select one |
| 18:27.29 | afaik | I use the wm that comes with X |
| 18:27.35 | Empty | thanks guys |
| 18:27.36 | greycat | afaik: that's nice. |
| 18:27.37 | simonrvn | twm? ugh |
| 18:27.39 | afaik | with the purty greay and black dotted background |
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| 18:27.48 | greycat | simonrvn: openbsd's X uses fvwm by default. |
| 18:28.04 | simonrvn | heh, a lot better, imo ;) |
| 18:28.13 | afaik | cuz I am more hardcore than U! |
| 18:28.21 | greycat | or so I've heard. I don't use any openbsd desktop boxes. |
| 18:28.30 | afaik | so hardcore, i shave my face with a rock, and dont even use window managers! |
| 18:28.39 | greycat | that's fine too. |
| 18:28.46 | abrotman | afaik: do you always spout nonsense? |
| 18:28.50 | afaik | so hardcore, I set my box up afresh each morning! |
| 18:28.59 | afaik | openBSD |
| 18:29.01 | afaik | from scratch |
| 18:29.12 | greycat | you must be good at it by now. |
| 18:29.19 | afaik | so hardcore, I dont even use the provided apps. I write my own in C. Every morning |
| 18:29.23 | vladster | afiak: how many terminals do you have set up in your config |
| 18:29.32 | afaik | 30 |
| 18:29.36 | abrotman | god .. shut up |
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| 18:29.56 | afaik | so hardcore, I dont even use a keyboard. I filter /dev/urandom for the chars I need |
| 18:29.59 | greycat | god's been pretty quiet for the last few thousand years. |
| 18:30.11 | simonrvn | which one? |
| 18:30.16 | greycat | all of 'em. |
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| 18:30.36 | abrotman | except Eric Clapton .. |
| 18:30.44 | afaik | greycat, that's cuause the treaty with the asgard protects us from the Gou'lud :) |
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| 18:30.51 | vladster | greycat, could you spare a litlle advice |
| 18:30.53 | afaik | er, s/cuause/cause |
| 18:31.02 | greycat | vladster: don't stick your head in the oven. |
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| 18:31.17 | vladster | politness please |
| 18:31.17 | cranberries | when I use apt-get dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 18:31.18 | cranberries | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. |
| 18:31.18 | cranberries | dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH. |
| 18:31.18 | cranberries | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 18:31.18 | cranberries | dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
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| 18:31.18 | dpkg | cranberries: are you smoking crack? |
| 18:31.18 | dpkg | cranberries: wish i knew |
| 18:31.18 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, cranberries |
| 18:31.19 | dpkg | cranberries: are you smoking crack? |
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| 18:31.23 | greycat | hah |
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| 18:31.28 | afaik | lol |
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| 18:31.35 | greycat | @comfort dpkg |
| 18:31.38 | ravenbird | There, there, dpkg. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 18:31.40 | vladster | the drive is still not mounting automatically |
| 18:31.52 | afaik | TEH funny! |
| 18:31.57 | Empty | $cranberries{reading_somprehension}--; |
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| 18:32.09 | greycat | vladster: if you're still having automount difficulties, it's quite traditional to show us WHAT YOU HAVE in the config files, and so on... |
| 18:32.13 | abrotman | cranberries: don't flood .. see /topic |
| 18:32.15 | eeyore- | vladster: show me the line in /etc/fstab that's supposed to mount it automatically |
| 18:32.19 | vladster | right |
| 18:32.28 | afaik | cranberries, sorry, I missed that... can you paste it again? |
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| 18:32.30 | afaik | ;) |
| 18:32.34 | greycat | eeyore-: warning: he's messing with autofs. |
| 18:32.39 | cranberries | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 18:32.39 | dpkg | i don't know, cranberries |
| 18:32.45 | cranberries | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. |
| 18:32.46 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, cranberries |
| 18:32.49 | greycat | cranberries: so fix your PATH. |
| 18:32.52 | cranberries | dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH. |
| 18:32.52 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, cranberries |
| 18:32.54 | abrotman | cranberries: stop flooding already |
| 18:32.57 | greycat | cranberries: STOP IT. |
| 18:33.10 | eeyore- | greycat: no prob |
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| 18:33.22 | afaik | cranberries, scuse me? I missed that |
| 18:33.23 | cranberries | ~_~ I don't know it why |
| 18:33.30 | greycat | afaik: stop trolling. |
| 18:33.32 | eeyore- | vladster: ok, fine, are you using autofs or autofs4 module (you should use autofs4) |
| 18:33.35 | greycat | cranberries: echo $PATH |
| 18:33.39 | paulswm | cranberries: wgat version of debian are you running? |
| 18:33.45 | afaik | sigh, I need to get back to work |
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| 18:33.48 | abrotman | good |
| 18:33.51 | afaik | could someone please sow me the door? |
| 18:33.52 | cranberries | dpkg: start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. |
| 18:33.52 | cranberries | dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH. |
| 18:33.52 | dpkg | cranberries: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:33.52 | dpkg | cranberries: i don't know |
| 18:33.52 | eeyore- | vladster: /etc/init.d/autofs stop; rmmod autofs; modprobe autofs4; /etc/init.d/autofs start |
| 18:33.56 | afaik | er, show me |
| 18:33.56 | abrotman | holy god |
| 18:34.02 | paulswm | fucking hell |
| 18:34.04 | abrotman | !tell cranberries about paste |
| 18:34.11 | afaik | cranberries, sorry, I missed that.. could you repeat it again? |
| 18:34.14 | Deffie | mwilson says that i shouldnt use lm-sensors in 2.6, what is the 2.6 way to do what lm-sensors was doing ? |
| 18:34.16 | greycat | cranberries: STOP showing us the same damned thing over and over! afaik is trolling. Ignore him. |
| 18:34.17 | abrotman | afaik: shut the hell up |
| 18:34.26 | *** mode/#Debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 18:34.30 | Raksu | is there limit to hard disk size on 3.0r4.. fdisk said something like "beginning and end of partition is incorrect etc."? |
| 18:34.33 | *** mode/#Debian [+q *!*@216-138-038-190.adams.net] by greycat |
| 18:34.36 | *** mode/#Debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 18:34.40 | abrotman | !greycat++ |
| 18:34.41 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 18:34.46 | paulswm | Lively in here this afternoon |
| 18:34.55 | greycat | Raksu: 2.4.18 cannot use IDE drives over 137 GB. |
| 18:35.01 | simonrvn | !karma greycat |
| 18:35.01 | dpkg | greycat has karma of 48 |
| 18:35.05 | greycat | Raksu: so that's your effective limit. |
| 18:35.12 | eeyore- | !karma eeyore- |
| 18:35.12 | dpkg | eeyore- has karma of 1 |
| 18:35.15 | eeyore- | :-p |
| 18:35.24 | simonrvn | !karma simonrvn |
| 18:35.24 | dpkg | simonrvn has neutral karma |
| 18:35.27 | vladster | auto.misc => flash_w -fstype=vfat,gid=autofs,sync,nodev,nosuid,umask=00 2 :/dev/sda1 |
| 18:35.27 | eeyore- | that's GOT TO be some sort of overflowed counter |
| 18:35.28 | Raksu | greycat: ok.. is there any solution to initialize/make partition to 200GB disk? |
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| 18:35.32 | greycat | eeyore-: but you're our favorite tailless ass. |
| 18:35.32 | pkern_ | dpkg: msg? |
| 18:35.32 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 18:35.44 | greycat | Raksu: upgrade to 2.4.21 or higher. |
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| 18:35.56 | simonrvn | favourite ;p |
| 18:36.02 | greycat | simonrvn: I'm USian, remember. |
| 18:36.16 | Rawplayer | hmm? |
| 18:36.19 | eeyore- | vladster: ah, not nfs-related automount .... |
| 18:36.19 | simonrvn | yes, i do. ;) |
| 18:36.23 | Rawplayer | usa/asia? |
| 18:36.24 | Raksu | greycat: yes, but what could be done at the installation stage? |
| 18:36.43 | greycat | Raksu: install sarge instead. |
| 18:36.48 | vladster | ok |
| 18:36.55 | buffalo | if someone has generated a list of installed packages (using dpkg or dselect, i believe), is there a way for me to install those same packages on another identical debian box? the list is just two columns, the first column is package name, the second column says either "install" or "deinstall". that's it. |
| 18:37.02 | eeyore- | vladster: does your kernel notice the insertion of the device? |
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| 18:37.08 | greycat | buffalo: dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections |
| 18:37.13 | vladster | yes |
| 18:37.19 | greycat | buffalo: followed by "dselect install" |
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| 18:37.23 | simonrvn | buffalo: dpkg --[get|set]-selections |
| 18:37.32 | vladster | assigns it sda1 from what I can tell |
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| 18:37.39 | buffalo | greycat: thanks, let me check that out |
| 18:38.02 | vladster | auto.master ==>/misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60 |
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| 18:38.22 | Empty | What FSes does BSD use, aside from UFS? Trying to mount a FreeBSD disk under linux and UFS ain't doing the trick |
| 18:38.34 | Raksu | greycat: roger.. do you know depency/etc problems compared to woody? |
| 18:38.43 | eeyore- | vladster: one sec |
| 18:38.48 | greycat | vladster: so you're typing "cd /misc/flash_w" to try to mount it? |
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| 18:39.14 | Deffie | dpkg: lm-sensors ? |
| 18:39.15 | dpkg | from memory, lm-sensors is tools for harware monitoring (and a couple of other hardware thingies). At http://www.netroedge.com/~lm78/, or apt-get install lm-sensors-source, or at http://www.lm-sensors.nu/ |
| 18:39.20 | greycat | vladster: also, if you actually have "umask=00 2 " then you need to remove that excess space. |
| 18:39.21 | eeyore- | vladster: and auto.misc is managing which directory? |
| 18:39.38 | greycat | eeyore-: 13:38 vladster> auto.master ==>/misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60 |
| 18:39.45 | eeyore- | vladster: yeah, just saw it |
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| 18:39.52 | Deffie | i still cant figure what i have to use on 2.6 to do hw monitoring |
| 18:39.55 | eeyore- | vladster: besides the 00 2 typo, it *should* work |
| 18:40.17 | Deffie | i'm unable to find which kernel option makes i2c-proc |
| 18:40.25 | vladster | chang that to mount? |
| 18:40.30 | vladster | or mnt |
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| 18:41.21 | turutu | nas |
| 18:41.23 | vile_maxim | Raksu, never tried it but http://oss-us.sns.ro/Hilux.html |
| 18:42.19 | delire | when looking at detecting kernel level compromises i'm aware i can look at things like whether sys calls like sys_read have a new virtual address above 0xc8xxxxxx or the sys_call_table (from /proc/kcore) has a modified address altogether. however i don't want to be doing this with gdb. are there any tools that simplify the process and reveal a compromise? |
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| 18:44.07 | greycat | !tell cranberries about msg |
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| 18:45.39 | vladster | has not seen the stick but it just saw the cdrom |
| 18:45.53 | Raksu | vile_maxim: thnx |
| 18:46.04 | vladster | is an fstab entry required for the stick |
| 18:46.43 | vile_maxim | Raksu, I've heard there were other custum installers using newer kernels. Again never tried any myself. |
| 18:47.22 | Raksu | vile_maxim: ok, i'll try sarge first, but if there's some problems had to try that minicd-installer :) |
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| 18:48.51 | vile_maxim | Raksu, I've had good luck with sarge, but have had problems with upgrades at times... I'm hoping it will release soon. |
| 18:48.53 | Raksu | i think ubuntu linux is also some new kernel-installer system to debian |
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| 18:49.24 | vile_maxim | Raksu, I thought they did more that jsut a kernel upgrade |
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| 18:51.30 | paulswm | Crap, I missed all the fun here today :( |
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| 18:52.22 | basti | is there xorg support with woddy? |
| 18:52.29 | restrex | !!!!!!! |
| 18:52.29 | dpkg | [!!!!!] "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 18:52.31 | mwilson | basti: Of course not. |
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| 18:52.39 | vladster | real close, I can almost taste it , just one or two things missing |
| 18:52.51 | Deffie | anyone can tell me which kernel option generates i2c-proc in 2.6 kernels ? |
| 18:52.53 | mwilson | basti: How would there be? Xorg didn't exist when Woody was released. |
| 18:53.03 | Deffie | dpkg: i2c-proc |
| 18:53.03 | dpkg | Deffie: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:53.14 | Deffie | dpkg: i2c_proc |
| 18:53.14 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Deffie |
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| 18:53.37 | basti | mwilson: okay, i'm sorry didn't know |
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| 18:53.48 | mentor | mwilson: Someone other than Debian could have been supporting it. |
| 18:54.19 | mentor | basti: There is no official Debian support for X.org even in Sid...as we're trying ot get Sarge out the door. |
| 18:54.24 | mwilson | Since when does a 2.6 kernel have i2c-proc? |
| 18:55.01 | paulswm | Deffie: i2c is built in to 2.6 kernels already |
| 18:55.32 | vladster | is there anything else that I could be missing? |
| 18:55.36 | Deffie | paulswm what i have to use on 2.6 to do hw monitoring ? |
| 18:55.59 | paulswm | I use gkrellm with Gnome |
| 18:56.02 | mwilson | Deffie: You were already told once that a 2.6 kernel already incorporates lm-sensors. |
| 18:56.05 | paulswm | Deffie: I use gkrellm with Gnome |
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| 18:57.01 | Deffie | [19:04] <mwilson> Deffie: You don't use lm-sensors in 2.6 kernels, other than for the user-space tools. Amazing how that's what the documentation says... |
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| 18:57.25 | alfatau | hi, i want to send mail from shell: how to? |
| 18:57.30 | Deffie | then, having i2c support in the kernel, what console software can i use to do hw monitoring ? |
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| 18:58.13 | mwilson | Deffie: The lm-sensors user-space tools is one, gkrellm is another, I'm sure there are others. |
| 18:58.28 | adaran | hi everyone - my insert-sound buttons in OOo are gray - has anyone successfully got open office impress to play sounds, other then slide transitions? |
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| 18:59.23 | paulswm | alfatau: 'mail' will do it |
| 18:59.50 | petemc | musnt have been too important |
| 18:59.56 | mwilson | "insert sound buttons"? |
| 19:00.05 | paulswm | petemc: evidently not |
| 19:00.11 | vladster | reloaded autofs after the correcting and the only thing that automaounted is the cdrom |
| 19:00.23 | Deffie | mwilson thats why i'am here, lm-sensors user-space tools are asking for i2c-proc |
| 19:00.35 | adaran | mwilson, theres a menu item in the insert menu |
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| 19:00.47 | adaran | mwilson, insert - object - sound |
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| 19:01.03 | mwilson | adaran: Ah. And that's a "button" how, exactly? |
| 19:01.03 | vladster | eeyore: any other suggestions? |
| 19:01.04 | adaran | mwilson, its greyed out - however, OO _does_ play sounds when i set them to play at slide transitions |
| 19:01.06 | aaa1234 | hello every body |
| 19:01.09 | adaran | mwilson, its not a button |
| 19:01.12 | mwilson | (another instance of beating the actual problem out of someone...) |
| 19:01.14 | adaran | mwilson, sorry bout that |
| 19:01.14 | paulswm | Deffie: did you compile your own kernel |
| 19:01.31 | Deffie | paulswm yes |
| 19:01.59 | paulswm | Deffie: Then you didn't turn on i2c support in the kernel, I suspect. |
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| 19:02.20 | adaran | mwilson, i just dont know what OOo expects - i dont run a sound server (unless gnome ran one without my consent) and i dont get useful error messages |
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| 19:02.25 | mwilson | paulswm: Oh, the horror! Why would he do what he'd been told to do by several people? |
| 19:02.39 | paulswm | Deffie: Note: 'apt-cache show lm-sensors' tells you that. |
| 19:02.43 | mwilson | adaran: Why would a sound server be useful in this context? |
| 19:02.58 | Deffie | paulswm before i've added builtin support for i2c, this time i'am using modules (sensors-detect were asking for them) and i loaded i2c-core and i2c-dev into the kernel |
| 19:03.13 | basti | what do i need to configure during kernel source configuration, that i dont need a initrd? |
| 19:03.22 | aaa1234 | i would like to talk with a girlfriend.......... |
| 19:03.28 | adaran | mwilson, not useful, but the only report of someone fixing this issue was from a redhat user that disabled the "enable sound server" option in his funky red hat menues. |
| 19:03.38 | adaran | mwilson, now, that is the only lead ive got on the problem |
| 19:03.44 | resiak | basti: Build all devices needed for boot into the kernel rather than as modules |
| 19:03.44 | adaran | mwilson, cant think of anything else =/ |
| 19:03.45 | aaa1234 | i have a very very big dick |
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| 19:04.00 | petemc | s/have/am/ |
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| 19:04.00 | resiak | aaa1234: Me! Me! Me! |
| 19:04.03 | el` | Then goto a bar and buy a chick a drink, wierod. |
| 19:04.05 | el` | weirdo~ |
| 19:04.09 | el` | hehe |
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| 19:04.20 | coachz | Is there a good free linux app to manage tasks / to do lists / have done lists ? |
| 19:04.26 | paulswm | mwilson: Heh, you are right as usual |
| 19:04.33 | adaran | coachz, tdl iirc |
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| 19:04.45 | adaran | coachz, but its console. evolution does todo lists |
| 19:04.46 | cantona | lol |
| 19:04.58 | coachz | thanks |
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| 19:05.02 | adaran | coachz, theres a kde app for it, too, i think, try kontact |
| 19:05.11 | resiak | adaran: How about gtodo? |
| 19:05.12 | coachz | even better |
| 19:05.14 | resiak | adaran: apt-cache search todo |
| 19:05.25 | adaran | resiak, hey, dont tell me, i use gedit =) |
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| 19:05.51 | paulswm | Deffie: lm-sensors package works fine for me and I have i2c support compiled into the kernel |
| 19:05.54 | adaran | resiak, but only because thats the default app that comes up when i click the TODO file on my desktop =) |
| 19:05.57 | resiak | adaran: Sorry. |
| 19:06.04 | resiak | coachz: gtodo |
| 19:06.08 | adaran | resiak, gtodo any good? |
| 19:06.16 | lotusleaf | I'm about to switch from SUSE to Debian, are there any particular files I should have handy from the current system to make the migration process smoother as far as hardware information? |
| 19:06.17 | mwilson | adaran: Why in the WORLD would you waste your time with gedit? |
| 19:06.27 | basti | resiak: didn't get what you mean :( |
| 19:06.28 | resiak | coachz: apt-cache search todo |
| 19:06.30 | greg_work | I have "ddns-rev-domainname "1.1.10.in-addr.arpa";" in my dhcpd.conf in order to have it update my reverse DNS records .. but in my zone files, it's creating 10.1.1.10.1.1.123 records, instead of 10.1.1.123 .. anyone know an option to have it drop the first part? |
| 19:06.36 | resiak | bbmj: Did I speak to you? |
| 19:06.36 | adaran | mwilson, all i need is to edit a 10 line text file. |
| 19:06.48 | mwilson | adaran: Even less reason to use gedit. |
| 19:06.54 | Deffie | paulswm i've loaded i801 too which should work with the chipset i'm using |
| 19:06.59 | adaran | mwilson, so should i use vim or emacs? :P |
| 19:07.01 | resiak | adaran: I haven't a clue -- it's just something that apt-cache search todo showed up. |
| 19:07.12 | Deffie | paulswm but sensors are still asking for i2c-proc |
| 19:07.12 | el` | It's to edit a text file, who fucking cares what you use |
| 19:07.15 | mwilson | adaran: <shrug> I'm at a loss as to why you wouldn't just use nano. |
| 19:07.30 | resiak | mwilson: Not mouse-y or wind-y. |
| 19:07.34 | mwilson | adaran: But using gedit is like poking a pencil into your eye from the back of your head. |
| 19:07.47 | satchmo | lmao |
| 19:07.48 | resiak | EYE KEBAB! |
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| 19:08.03 | adaran | mwilson, well, you like nano, i like gedit. =) |
| 19:08.05 | paulswm | lotusleaf: Which debian version are you planning on installing? |
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| 19:08.14 | lotusleaf | paulswm: 30r4 |
| 19:08.16 | mwilson | I don't like nano in the least. |
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| 19:08.22 | ideafix | when is new debian version ready ? |
| 19:08.36 | adaran | mwilson, but more important, the top line of my TODO right now reads "fix openoffice.org impress sounds" - got any further advice on that? |
| 19:08.37 | mwilson | But in a choice between gedit and it, there's no contest. |
| 19:09.26 | lotusleaf | paulswm: I have the 7 discs for 30r4, I just need to know which files would be helpful from my SUSE box for hardware information in moving over to Debian |
| 19:09.33 | ideafix | using nano or vim makes me love notepad |
| 19:09.46 | el` | hah |
| 19:09.47 | adaran | hmm why is it that everytime i come here to ask a question, i accidently start a war about text editors? :P |
| 19:09.51 | Deffie | mwilson do you know which i2c 2.6 module does the /proc work ? |
| 19:10.00 | resiak | !tell ideafix about wwsr |
| 19:10.02 | adaran | ideafix, good idea. ill solve this once and for all and only run notepad with wine |
| 19:10.02 | el` | adaran: some people are just bitter, nothing you can do about it |
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| 19:10.06 | mwilson | <shrug> It's not greyed out here. |
| 19:10.07 | paulswm | lotusleaf: woody is old and not a friendly install, the install guide should tell you what hardware info you need |
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| 19:10.22 | lotusleaf | paulswm: many thanks ;) |
| 19:10.23 | adaran | mwilson, so it IS possible to get it working? thats encouraging at least =) |
| 19:10.31 | paulswm | lotusleaf: np |
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| 19:10.46 | ideafix | ho i meant dos edit |
| 19:11.00 | el` | edit.com |
| 19:11.01 | el` | yuh |
| 19:11.07 | Deffie | anyone knows which i2c module in 2.6 sets up /proc i2c stuff ? |
| 19:11.25 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 19:11.34 | adaran | mwilson, youll laugh, but i edit my config files and my timetable in vim, my php files in gedit, my C files in emacs, my documents on oowriter and im sure theres an editor i missed... |
| 19:12.00 | el` | nano/pico ? |
| 19:12.05 | el` | :) |
| 19:12.06 | adaran | el`, on gentoo =) |
| 19:12.08 | el` | oh |
| 19:12.08 | ideafix | i guess mcedit will have to do |
| 19:12.30 | adaran | el`, though i have to admit, id rather use zile then emacs |
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| 19:12.53 | Deffie | paulswm sigh ? |
| 19:12.56 | adaran | el`, i never thought much of the "emacs-nice-os-lacks-editor" joke, until i noticed my emacs package is like 21M |
| 19:13.05 | el` | lol |
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| 19:13.20 | lotusleaf | Nermal! |
| 19:13.43 | paulswm | Deffie: We have tried to help you. Try it with a debian 2.6 kernel, and if it works there's something wrong with your custom kernel config |
| 19:13.53 | Nermal | lo lotusleaf |
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| 19:13.53 | mentor | Gotta love VB.Net |
| 19:13.54 | el` | I've never seen anyone get so offended over sytanx highlighting |
| 19:13.55 | el` | o.O |
| 19:13.59 | mwilson | Of course, it'd be wrong for it to actually be able to TELL you somewhere what it's currently SET to... |
| 19:14.02 | el` | syntax^ |
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| 19:14.31 | adaran | *sigh* now i still havent fixed my openoffice problem =) |
| 19:14.37 | el` | what's the problem? |
| 19:14.42 | adaran | mwilson, can you tell me your OOo version maybe? |
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| 19:14.52 | mwilson | Oh, I see... typical Gnomie speak. This is "normal" syntax highlighting. |
| 19:14.54 | adaran | el`, i want my insert-object-sound menu items not to be gray |
| 19:15.02 | el` | I see |
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| 19:15.26 | stew | adaran: maybe ask in #openoffice.org or #debian-oo |
| 19:15.46 | mwilson | ii openoffice.org 1.1.3-4 OpenOffice.org office suite binary files |
| 19:15.57 | adaran | stew, asked in #openoffice.org - no reply. ill try #debian-oo though |
| 19:16.01 | el` | mwilson: do you use X? what wm? |
| 19:16.05 | el` | just curious~ |
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| 19:16.19 | infodroid | i need to write (echo) to various files in "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq" whenever i boot up - where is a good "debian way" to put such commands? |
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| 19:16.54 | greycat | infodroid: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:16.57 | mwilson | el`: Gee, no, I've found a way to use OpenOffice.org without X. |
| 19:17.03 | mwilson | <sigh> cluebies |
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| 19:17.07 | karamelos | how can I join a split file (I used split command)? |
| 19:17.13 | adaran | mwilson, you could be running Y! |
| 19:17.13 | el` | Or you could just answer my question instead of being a smartass |
| 19:17.13 | greycat | karamelos: cat(1) |
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| 19:17.16 | mwilson | karamelos: man cat |
| 19:17.17 | el` | but, up to you :) |
| 19:17.21 | stew | karamelos: cat file1 file2 file3 > newfile |
| 19:17.23 | infodroid | greycat: i felt init.d was the way to go, just making sure |
| 19:17.25 | karamelos | thx |
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| 19:17.45 | mwilson | el`: Why would you ask me if I were using X, in a discussion about OpenOffice.org? |
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| 19:17.59 | stego | When I try to purge firestarter, it complains " subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1" Is there any way to find the problem? |
| 19:18.01 | el` | I came in at the end of the discussion. |
| 19:18.02 | TheBlueWizard | karamelos: "cat" is actually short for concatenation |
| 19:18.14 | el` | Scrolling up is against my religion. |
| 19:18.14 | stew | infodroid: isn't there a cpufreqd package to take care of this for you? |
| 19:18.15 | el` | :P |
| 19:18.34 | toubsu | i still want a dog program, it just isn't fair |
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| 19:18.40 | mwilson | el`: Or did you think I'd found a way to use gedit without X? |
| 19:18.44 | u_int32_t | hi |
| 19:18.49 | paulswm | mwilson: Well, you *might* have been using Windows XP and are just in a #debian channel for the hell of it :) |
| 19:18.54 | mwilson | el`: Seeing as how you DID participate in THAT part of the discussion? |
| 19:18.57 | adaran | mwilson, run gtk on a framebuffer? |
| 19:19.09 | el` | What I meant was, which do you use most often, since you apparently don't like the gnome developers? |
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| 19:19.18 | u_int32_t | when i initially installed debian, i chose to only have local mail delivery but i need to set it up so that it can deliver email to the lan using the local mail server, how can i rerun the setup? |
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| 19:19.59 | ideafix | dont you think that linux is spyware free becasuse its already open ? |
| 19:20.09 | mwilson | ideafix: How does that follow? |
| 19:20.16 | paulswm | ideafix: No. |
| 19:20.20 | adaran | u_int32_t, dpkg-reconfigure exim |
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| 19:20.40 | ideafix | how do i stop some program to go online ? |
| 19:20.54 | adaran | ideafix, dont run it *g |
| 19:20.59 | el` | hah |
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| 19:21.18 | ideafix | adaran so i should quit linux and go MS ? |
| 19:21.26 | mwilson | I love how Gnome apps are smart enough to figure out that they can't do something, and spew that to stdout, which no cluebie will ever see, but they can't be bothered to tell you in the FOREGROUND. |
| 19:21.27 | adaran | ideafix, yes |
| 19:21.28 | Delph | ideafix: yes. |
| 19:21.47 | ideafix | im not |
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| 19:21.51 | adaran | ideafix, dont forget to activate your installation though :P |
| 19:21.55 | infodroid | stew: cpufreqd doesn't manage the "ondemand" governor. settings such as "up_threshold" and "sampling_down_factor" are forgotten on every reboot. a simple script, though, does the trick without need for a daemon. |
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| 19:21.56 | puffy | hi |
| 19:21.57 | mwilson | Do the Gnomies have *anyone* other than themselves test these things? |
| 19:22.06 | paulswm | ideafix: I don't understand your question |
| 19:22.15 | adaran | ideafix, what program are you concerned about? |
| 19:22.17 | stew | infodroid: k, i just wanted to make sure you know about it and weren't reinventing the wheel.. |
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| 19:22.26 | infodroid | stew: np :) |
| 19:22.30 | u_int32_t | adaran, that doesnt seem to do anything :S |
| 19:22.34 | ideafix | xorg |
| 19:22.39 | adaran | u_int32_t, run as root |
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| 19:22.40 | el` | mwilson: are you a developer at all? |
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| 19:22.43 | u_int32_t | adaran, i am |
| 19:22.55 | paulswm | ideafix: what debian distribution are you running |
| 19:22.58 | mwilson | el`: Not a Gnome one, no. Why is that relevant? |
| 19:23.04 | ideafix | sarge |
| 19:23.09 | CosmoDad | hi is there any good documention on how to auto-mount a USB device (like cam, stick) once it's plugged in? |
| 19:23.13 | paulswm | ideafix: xorg isn't in sarge |
| 19:23.20 | adaran | u_int32_t, then exim is the wrong package. sorry, not sure which one is the correct one |
| 19:23.21 | ideafix | xfree then |
| 19:23.22 | infodroid | CosmoDad: are you running udev? |
| 19:23.26 | el` | Curiosity, was wondering if you actually participated in making this software better that you constantly complain about, or do you just constantly whine :)( |
| 19:23.27 | veleno | when my system boots, i see the hotplug messages twice...why ? (and a lot of "Already loaded" stuff) |
| 19:23.32 | adaran | u_int32_t, something with mailsomething maybe? |
| 19:23.35 | u_int32_t | adaran, how can i search which exim package i have |
| 19:23.39 | el` | :P |
| 19:23.39 | CosmoDad | infodroid: yes I do |
| 19:23.41 | puffy | bye |
| 19:23.41 | Delph | ideafix: i'd be more worried about random broken things in sarge before i worried about xfree going online without telling you =:) |
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| 19:23.47 | el` | mwilson: you shouldnt be so bitter :p |
| 19:23.56 | mwilson | el`: Oh, let me guess... you think it's appropriate for the Help menu of the application to spew messages to stdout/stderr about how it can't open help files, but not tell the cluebie who actually asked for help that there's a problem!? |
| 19:24.02 | paulswm | ideafix: I still don't understand your question, how can xfree 'go online'? |
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| 19:24.13 | vladster | the main reason I like windows managers is the ability to have eight desktops with as many vitrual terminals as I need |
| 19:24.15 | ideafix | i dont know |
| 19:24.19 | adaran | u_int32_t, dunno. i always do dpkg -l (PIPE CHARACTER) grep package name |
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| 19:24.23 | petemc | u_int32_t: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:24.25 | ideafix | but i wnat to stop it before it tryed |
| 19:24.26 | adaran | u_int32_t, my keyboard is borked =) |
| 19:24.28 | ideafix | but i wnat to stop it before it tryes |
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| 19:24.37 | vladster | window* |
| 19:24.43 | el` | mwilson: Oh no, I agree with you totally about that, but why not fix it yourseld and then contribute? :) |
| 19:24.49 | u_int32_t | adaran, it is exim4 |
| 19:25.03 | CosmoDad | infodroid: how can that help? |
| 19:25.06 | paulswm | ideafix: xfree doesn't 'go onlinee'. What program are you talking about? |
| 19:25.10 | ideafix | mwilson is from MS is name starts with an M |
| 19:25.15 | infodroid | CosmoDad: see something like http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 19:25.17 | adaran | ideafix, so you want to disallow connections to it from the outside? |
| 19:25.32 | vladster | I have three desktops setup monitore network routers |
| 19:25.35 | ideafix | that too |
| 19:25.39 | mwilson | el`: Because whether or not Gnome pulls its head out of its a** isn't of any interest to me. |
| 19:26.11 | vladster | what was that package that is used for console terminal access? |
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| 19:26.24 | CosmoDad | infodroid: nice. I thought of hotplug, wouldn't that be a more generic (easier?) approach or does it require udev anyway? |
| 19:26.28 | ideafix | telnet ? |
| 19:26.31 | vladster | it is not installed by default but I heard of it\ |
| 19:26.31 | infodroid | CosmoDad: whenever u plug your flash disk in, udev will create a symlink from /dev/sd{?} to /dev/whatever-you-want |
| 19:26.41 | mwilson | el`: I merely look occasionally so see how much farther they've burrowed in, is all. |
| 19:26.44 | paulswm | mwilson on Gnome developers is always entertaining (unless you're a Gnome developer, I suppose) |
| 19:26.47 | vladster | console to a router serial |
| 19:27.04 | Empty | vladster, one can use minicom for that |
| 19:27.04 | el` | Well, what wm do you use normally then? I'm simply curious.... I've tried a few, and while I don't like gnome a whole lot, I still use it |
| 19:27.07 | adaran | paulswm, as a gnome user, what should i feel like now? :P |
| 19:27.09 | njan | mwilson, I find the fact that gnome apps don't barrage me with crap but I know that if I launch them in a console they give me useful information actually quite handy. |
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| 19:27.15 | infodroid | CosmoDad: you want it to mount every time you plug it in? |
| 19:27.19 | mwilson | el`: Gnome isn't a window manager. |
| 19:27.20 | njan | mwilson, and ftr, it isn't solely a gnome behaviour, so it's silly blaming it on gnome |
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| 19:27.31 | CosmoDad | infodroid: yes mounting is the essential part. drivers work well once plugged in |
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| 19:27.33 | el` | de, yes I know, what do you use/ |
| 19:27.33 | el` | ? |
| 19:27.36 | paulswm | adaran: I use Gnome too, to each his own, this is certainly an eclectic OS :) |
| 19:27.52 | CosmoDad | infodroid: correct me if I'm wrong but udev rules look more like adding drivers, not doing FS stuff... ? |
| 19:28.07 | drp | I just got a kvm switch and the hot key to switch inputs is the scroll lock key only problem is my scroll lock key doesn't work on my debian machine (microsoft natural pro keyboard) ... any suggestions |
| 19:28.09 | mwilson | njan: Of course it's appropriate to blame it on Gnome, it's a Gnome application under discussion. |
| 19:28.10 | vladster | good , I need it is my laptop, that is the last app that has not been rteplaced, windows is now going to be expunged and purged from my think pad |
| 19:28.49 | mwilson | njan: Gnome, which has WauWau telling you how appropriate it is for the common man at every opportunity. |
| 19:28.49 | ideafix | you are so funny |
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| 19:29.06 | ideafix | =) |
| 19:29.08 | infodroid | CosmoDad: problem with flash disks is that you never know where in /dev/ they will end up, thats why udev is useful |
| 19:29.23 | mwilson | infodroid: udev isn't necessary for that. |
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| 19:29.33 | thenuke | what is udev? |
| 19:29.34 | mwilson | infodroid: It's used for that, but hotplug could do as much. |
| 19:29.49 | vladster | No longer will nosey airport officials be able to nose through the contents of my hard drive |
| 19:29.49 | Cvx | hi |
| 19:29.59 | infodroid | mwilson: have you got a reference for writing hotplug rules? |
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| 19:30.13 | paulswm | !prize vladster |
| 19:30.20 | mwilson | infodroid: Not handy, no. It's not something I do every day. |
| 19:30.20 | PerfDave | It's like udev only not shit ;) |
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| 19:30.27 | vladster | I use a text login screen for my laptop |
| 19:30.31 | njan | mwilson, I guess if an application makes inappropriate use of widgets (say, by not having a minimise button) or exhibits some other aspect of behaviour which is undesirable, that's a problem with gnome too? |
| 19:30.36 | CosmoDad | infodroid: so will udev actually help me with auto-*mounting* ` |
| 19:30.39 | CosmoDad | infodroid: ? |
| 19:30.49 | PerfDave | vladster: So they'll assume it's a bomb and cart you off to Guantanemo ;) |
| 19:31.01 | PerfDave | vladster: What you want is a nice encrypted /home partition ;) |
| 19:31.03 | mwilson | njan: If it's a Gnome application, it is. You seem to have missed the fact that we're discussing a Gnome application here. |
| 19:31.03 | CosmoDad | infodroid: my cam is always /dev/sda if that matters |
| 19:31.06 | infodroid | CosmoDad: well you can then just put /dev/flash in your fstab as opposed to tailing /var/log/messages to find out where it is |
| 19:31.12 | adaran | vladster, put a sticker on it, saying "Terrorist inside" :P |
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| 19:31.29 | infodroid | CosmoDad: also you can use automount and all that stuff i never bothered learning |
| 19:31.44 | vladster | will give them a guest login for entertainment |
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| 19:32.03 | adaran | vladster, make sure the user is named "hack" and the password "OVERRIDE" |
| 19:32.12 | njan | mwilson, I know it's a gnome application, but the functionality you're talking about is a superset of functionality which is specific to gnome. If it were a gtk bug, then sure, it's a gnome problem. But gnome follows certain conventions re: programming in the same way KDE does, which is why there are certain elements about gnome and kde (gtk and qt) apps which aren't appropriately blamed on those desktop environments. |
| 19:32.17 | CosmoDad | infodroid: IIRC, automount only makes sure the cam gets mounted on a mount -a (booting), but not if I plug in the device after that |
| 19:32.18 | vladster | It is already plaster with linux stickers |
| 19:32.23 | adaran | vladster, everyone should keep one of those =) |
| 19:32.48 | paulswm | vladster: put an "Osama uses Linux" sticker on it |
| 19:32.56 | HanClinto | lol |
| 19:32.58 | njan | mwilson, the same reason it would be silly to blame gnome for having a minimise/maximise button if you didn't like that idea.. the philosophy of having them there is a superset of the gnome window manager. In this case it would be more appropriate to whine about linux x programming in general ;) |
| 19:33.08 | vladster | that is the guest acountr but I limited its permissions severely |
| 19:33.14 | FieldySnuts | @lart njan |
| 19:33.26 | vladster | porn sites and whatever |
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| 19:33.40 | mwilson | njan: You know, that made absolutely no sense whatsoever. |
| 19:33.41 | lulogio | rver irc.unversal-chat.org |
| 19:33.43 | adaran | vladster, your guest account only permits porn sites? |
| 19:33.44 | resiak | vladster: What, you limited it to only being able to view porn? NICE! |
| 19:33.51 | adaran | resiak, =) |
| 19:34.02 | njan | FieldySnuts, ravenbird, if you disagree, say so. |
| 19:34.03 | vladster | geriatric porn for that matter |
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| 19:34.15 | resiak | njan: ravenbird is a bot :/ |
| 19:34.18 | FieldySnuts | njan: it's not that I just don't like you. |
| 19:34.25 | njan | FieldySnuts, I love you too :) |
| 19:34.33 | vladster | after they finish tossing their cookies, they will pass me through |
| 19:34.37 | Marticus | sigh |
| 19:34.40 | njan | resiak, *shrug*.. I spent most of my time !here :) |
| 19:34.41 | Marticus | the drama of irc |
| 19:34.44 | njan | s/spent/spend/ |
| 19:34.47 | Marticus | kids and their untarweb |
| 19:34.58 | infodroid | CosmoDad: look up the following... autofs submount supermount |
| 19:35.02 | resiak | njan: The implication being that I spend most of my time here. Thanks, that's really kind of you. |
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| 19:35.14 | njan | resiak, you're quite welcome :) |
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| 19:35.29 | infodroid | CosmoDad: http://www.greenfly.org/tips/usb_drive.html |
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| 19:35.50 | Marticus | this is better than days of our lives |
| 19:35.57 | vladster | You want to offend them legallly and make them remember that you are socially offensive to the point to where they pass you through quickly |
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| 19:36.47 | vladster | the groser the better |
| 19:36.50 | paulswm | vladster: Or you could just have the guest account web browser link to the RNC donation site as its home page |
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| 19:37.14 | vladster | then you have to sit there and talk politics |
| 19:37.19 | CosmoDad | infodroid: I'll check that out. thx |
| 19:37.25 | vladster | and you will miss your plane |
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| 19:37.56 | ningo | woha |
| 19:38.14 | paulswm | vladster: I guess there's something to be said for the 'disgust' option |
| 19:38.16 | mwilson | I wonder if it's actually worthwhile filing a bug |
| 19:38.33 | vladster | gets you through quicker |
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| 19:38.42 | paulswm | mwilson: Yes, it you expect to be using it in the next life |
| 19:38.48 | paulswm | s/it/if/ |
| 19:38.59 | Marticus | at least you can say you did and someone may look into the whereabouts of the maintainer :) |
| 19:39.06 | infodroid | CosmoDad: methinks autofs may spare you the horror of hotplug, thats just my brand of FUD |
| 19:39.23 | drp | I just got a kvm switch and the hot key to switch inputs is the scroll lock key only problem is my scroll lock key doesn't work on my debian machine although my caps lock and num lock keys do (microsoft natural pro keyboard) ... any suggestions |
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| 19:39.48 | Marticus | change the hotkey on the switch? |
| 19:39.51 | LSorensen | drp: is that the one where all the normal keys are moved around in idiotic ways? |
| 19:39.52 | crweb | drp: just curious.. what do you use scroll lock for? |
| 19:40.08 | PerfDave | drp: It shouldn't make any difference, because it looks at the electrical generated by the keyboard hardware, not the keycode interpreted by the kernel. |
| 19:40.14 | LSorensen | drp: and function keys don't work by default? |
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| 19:40.23 | paulswm | vladster: And if passengers are looking over your shoulder, nobody is going to want to sit next to you, so there's the possibility of gaining 'spread-out' space. |
| 19:40.32 | drp | crweb, kvm switch |
| 19:41.07 | drp | PerfDave, that's what I thought but when I boot up with my XP machine it can switch back to my debian box just fine but i can't do the opposite |
| 19:41.24 | CosmoDad | infodroid: the page says something about using both hotplug and autofs. maybe they're dependant on each other |
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| 19:41.35 | PerfDave | drp: That's fucked, and I don't think it's the Debian machine's fault. |
| 19:41.36 | abrotman | drp: get a new keyboard? |
| 19:41.38 | LSorensen | drp: sure yo uare using the keyboard shortcuts correctly? |
| 19:41.44 | PerfDave | drp: What happens if you switch to a head that's turned off? |
| 19:41.47 | crweb | drp: i think it's the kvm |
| 19:41.53 | LSorensen | drp: does it work if you use two windows machines? |
| 19:42.00 | drp | crweb, I've tried 3 kvm's now |
| 19:42.04 | LSorensen | drp: does XP load special code into the keyboard? |
| 19:42.07 | Marticus | drp scrap everything you have and buy all new hardware |
| 19:42.08 | LSorensen | drp: I would balme the garbage keyboard |
| 19:42.10 | Marticus | that should fix it for you |
| 19:42.16 | drp | Marticus, lol ... no |
| 19:42.24 | resiak | drp: Try a different keyboard. |
| 19:42.26 | crweb | drp: kinda wierd setup.. my kvm has a button ON it |
| 19:42.27 | drp | Marticus, I like the key layout sorry |
| 19:42.28 | adaran | drp, try an old, normal keyboard. see if it show the same behaviors |
| 19:42.33 | drp | resiak, I'll try that |
| 19:42.36 | PerfDave | LSorensen: That's a good point, if it's a fucked up Microsoft wierd-ass keyboard. |
| 19:42.43 | Marticus | sorry about your luck... I think that would have worked... |
| 19:42.50 | resiak | :weirdsmite PerfDave |
| 19:42.52 | LSorensen | drp: that keyboard is just so #$@#$# it's rediculous. The origianal ms keyboard was rather nice. |
| 19:42.58 | paulswm | It's not that weird, it's just bent in the middle |
| 19:43.01 | mwilson | hm, I might as well try, what can it hurt |
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| 19:43.16 | drp | PerfDave, It just go's to a blank screen and yes I can switch back to the XP machine |
| 19:43.19 | Marticus | well, it is the cheapest troubleshooting method at this point |
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| 19:43.31 | drp | PerfDave, which leads me to believe it's debian |
| 19:43.32 | Marticus | swap it with a normal keyboard and see what happens |
| 19:43.36 | LSorensen | paulswm: and function keys do media things by default unless function lock is on, insert/del/home/end/pgupdown are rearanged, the cursor keys are not inverted t, etc, etc. It's screwed up |
| 19:43.52 | Marticus | go's lol |
| 19:43.58 | adaran | well ill be off. ooo impress got me :P |
| 19:44.03 | LSorensen | paulswm: the original ms natural was just a keyboard slpit in the middle |
| 19:44.12 | paulswm | LSorensen: Oh, well that's a surprise, I thought it was just a physical ergonomic thing |
| 19:44.14 | adaran | cyall |
| 19:44.25 | LSorensen | paulswm: no, if it was I might have bought one. |
| 19:44.28 | paulswm | LSorensen: That's the one of which I was thinking |
| 19:44.33 | LSorensen | paulswm: as it is, there is no way I would use it |
| 19:44.35 | sargekr | how can i get java on konqueror ??? i installed the java package i made a PATH to bin but konqueror dont work with java everything on java is enabled |
| 19:44.41 | drp | LSorensen, I didn't want the pro with all the extra gay internet keys on it but it was the only one available at the time |
| 19:44.43 | mosherr2 | Using smbmount on Sarge mounts all files with uid=17291 and gid=41(gnats), even with '-o uid=user gid=group'. Suggestions? |
| 19:45.22 | LSorensen | drp: logitech has a lot of nice keyboards. so does keytronic. personally I tried using the original ms natural for a while, and I decided it really isn't a nice keyboard to work on. I prefer the old fashion keytronics |
| 19:45.25 | dacer | hi, how I can force to load a module at startup |
| 19:45.25 | dacer | I need ide-generic which is not loaded (have scsi disk) |
| 19:45.29 | Marticus | mosherr2 you've been hacked, scrap everything you have and buy all new equipment |
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| 19:45.36 | LSorensen | dacer: at module name to /etc/modules |
| 19:45.42 | chumeu | !list |
| 19:45.42 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 19:45.48 | LSorensen | dacer: sure you don't need a ide controller specific module? |
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| 19:45.57 | LSorensen | dacer: ide-generic doesn't do dma |
| 19:46.02 | drp | LSorensen, I can type twice as fast with the natural layout |
| 19:46.06 | sargekr | how can i get java on konqueror ??? i installed the java package i made a PATH to bin but konqueror dont work with java everything on java is enabled |
| 19:46.22 | greycat | sargekr: /msg dpkg java |
| 19:46.30 | LSorensen | drp: I sure can't. Although I seem to be fast enough on the regular layout for my needs. |
| 19:46.43 | drp | LSorensen, don't really want to just throw this one out even though it is MS |
| 19:46.46 | LSorensen | drp: The natural made no difference in speed. it just took up most of the desk space |
| 19:46.47 | Marticus | ergo keyboards are just freaking odd... |
| 19:46.56 | PerfDave | drp: Wow, Microsoft keyboards are so advanced their keys have sexualities? |
| 19:46.57 | dacer | LSorensen, ok, now I have ide-cd ide-detect and sd_mod |
| 19:46.57 | drp | LSorensen, that is one drawback yes |
| 19:47.03 | dacer | but not ide-generic |
| 19:47.05 | Marticus | LSorensen: you mean, like all other MS products? |
| 19:47.07 | LSorensen | drp: I would return it, so MS can get the hint that it's an idiotic layout unlike the original noe |
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| 19:47.27 | Marticus | they make no difference in speed but they take up a lot of space |
| 19:47.30 | LSorensen | dacer: which ide controller? |
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| 19:47.54 | drp | PerfDave, yes but ... do you have any further suggestions besides trying another keyboard |
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| 19:48.46 | PerfDave | drp: Nope, I think that's an important thing to test first. |
| 19:48.48 | LSorensen | drp: if the keyboard sends normal keycodes, and assuming XP didn't screw with it when it booted, then the os shouldn't matter one bit as long as the KVM works. |
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| 19:49.13 | LSorensen | drp: now sending normal keycodes is questional on that keyboard, and as for XP, who knows, especially combined with another MS product |
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| 19:50.09 | infodroid | where are those uber futurik VR cyberspace interfaces promised in the 90s? |
| 19:50.14 | FieldySnuts | i had a damn memorex, none of the extra keys registered a scancode at all in linux. lame |
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| 19:50.43 | jjazz | infodroid: They were eaten by the robots promised us in the 80s |
| 19:50.50 | FieldySnuts | coolest keyboards i've seen are the ones that are a little vertical stick, which projects an image of a keyboard on a flat surface. then you "type" on it, and it detects which keys you're pressing |
| 19:51.13 | FieldySnuts | they suck if you try to type fast though, and it's odd trying to type on something perfectly flat |
| 19:51.13 | greycat | jjazz: no no... they flew away in the flying cars. |
| 19:51.25 | FieldySnuts | worse even than a laptop |
| 19:52.00 | infodroid | greycat: driven by bloody aibo's |
| 19:52.01 | jjazz | They promised us robots. The world owes me a robot, one named Rosie that makes martinis and cracks wise. |
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| 19:52.27 | greycat | jjazz: let us know when you've built her. |
| 19:52.43 | toubsu | jjazz: is that all she does? |
| 19:52.44 | infodroid | jjazz: how much for an hour? |
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| 19:52.56 | paulswm | Botsex! |
| 19:53.08 | infodroid | infodroid: machines are the best |
| 19:53.11 | jjazz | I have simple needs... a robot bartender would really make my life complete. |
| 19:53.18 | toubsu | i mean they can make martinis at the bar |
| 19:53.29 | lotusleaf | jjazz: no, a monkey butler |
| 19:53.31 | mwilson | Ok, let's see what he does with that. |
| 19:53.32 | dacer | thanks |
| 19:53.32 | dacer | LSorensen, dma, what module I have to load? |
| 19:53.50 | stego | Does anyone know what port 810 is used for and why it would be open? I can't find anything on google. |
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| 19:53.59 | apfel | mplayer expects the win32 codecs in /usr/local/lib/codecs but where does the debian version of mplayer expect them? |
| 19:54.01 | greycat | stego: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 19:54.06 | mwilson | It would be open because something is listening on it. |
| 19:54.08 | LSorensen | dacer: well which ide controller/chipset do you have? |
| 19:54.14 | jjazz | lotusleaf: Monkeys tend to sample the booze when you're not looking. It would never work. |
| 19:54.16 | mwilson | Use lsof to find out what. |
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| 19:54.26 | dacer | motherboard is L440gx+ |
| 19:54.36 | LSorensen | dacer: for example: intel chipset: add piix, and ide-generic (in that order) to /etc/modules |
| 19:54.45 | LSorensen | dacer: sounds like intel |
| 19:54.51 | dacer | I thinks is Intel Gx chipset or something so |
| 19:54.51 | lotusleaf | jjazz: ah very true |
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| 19:55.12 | LSorensen | dacer: 440gx is an intel chipset, so quite likely. |
| 19:55.16 | drp | PerfDave, yeah it works with a diff. keyboard |
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| 19:55.51 | LSorensen | drp: so MS keyboard is being stupid. :) |
| 19:55.56 | stego | greycat, thanks. rpc.statd? Is it safe to have that and portmap open and listening? How do I close these? |
| 19:56.05 | greycat | stego: either you FUCKING USE THEM or you fucking DON' |
| 19:56.06 | greycat | T. |
| 19:56.08 | LSorensen | drp: figures with something that doesn't have function keys by default |
| 19:56.08 | greycat | make up your mind. |
| 19:56.13 | drp | LSorensen, all signs point to yes |
| 19:56.27 | lotusleaf | lol |
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| 19:56.33 | dacer | yes is Intel motherboard with gx chipset and SCSI AIC-7896 controller |
| 19:56.33 | dacer | sorry but my internet conettion fails and I can reply before |
| 19:56.45 | LSorensen | drp: amazing how someone can go from designed a very nice solid keyboard, to designing a terrible stupidf piece of junk :) |
| 19:56.55 | alejandro_ | good night ppl |
| 19:57.03 | LSorensen | dacer: just add piix and ide-generic, and try that. it should work |
| 19:57.15 | stego | greycat, they are open by default, and I don't know what they do, so any more helpful suggestions? |
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| 19:57.25 | dacer | ok, thanks LSorensen |
| 19:57.30 | greycat | stego: duh! they have MAN PAGES, don't they? |
| 19:57.33 | drp | LSorensen, I really don't want this to be a perm. solution though |
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| 19:57.37 | drp | LSorensen, I' |
| 19:57.38 | Occulis | only in lower case, greycat :( |
| 19:57.41 | greycat | !sing the greycat song |
| 19:57.41 | mwilson | stego: If you don't know what portmap is, why is it installed? |
| 19:57.50 | paulswm | LSorensen: You mean the same company which was responsible for Microsoft Bob, don't forget |
| 19:57.51 | drp | LSorensen, I'd like to get the ms nat. keyb. to work |
| 19:57.56 | greycat | I just wish the song scanned properly. |
| 19:57.58 | LSorensen | drp: well it sounds like you get to keep the KVM or the keyboard, but not both |
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| 19:58.19 | LSorensen | paulswm: I can't seem to read what you just wrote, microsoft what? :) |
| 19:58.27 | stego | mwilson, It was installed by default (this is a clean Sarge install). |
| 19:58.33 | paulswm | Too funny, LSorensen |
| 19:58.34 | stego | greycat, no v-day cards? |
| 19:58.42 | mwilson | stego: No, it was not installed by default. |
| 19:58.59 | drp | LSorensen, that is not the solution I wanted to hear |
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| 19:59.07 | multi_io | apt/dselect is driving me crazy |
| 19:59.11 | greycat | it's amazing. we have 35 years of combined Unix culture; we have search engines that index practically the whole sphere of human knowledge; and newbies STILL can't manage to type "man portmap". |
| 19:59.12 | mwilson | If it were, then d-i is even more broken than I thought it was. |
| 19:59.16 | LSorensen | drp: then don't buy MS products :) |
| 19:59.19 | infodroid | mwilson: i second that |
| 19:59.24 | stego | mwilson, sorry. Then it slipped in as a dependancy. Is there a way to find out what needed it? |
| 19:59.31 | LSorensen | drp: you could always call MS tech support and ask why your keyboard doesn't work with the kvm but another one does |
| 19:59.36 | LSorensen | drp: I would love to hear the response |
| 19:59.43 | PerfDave | stego: apt-cache rdepends portmap |
| 19:59.47 | greycat | stego: NFS, you twit. |
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| 19:59.50 | drp | LSorensen, they'd probably ask me if my computer was turned on |
| 19:59.51 | stego | PerfDave, great, thanks |
| 19:59.53 | coachz | How to fix this please? dia: /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0: version `PNG12_0' not found (required by dia) |
| 19:59.54 | Marticus | hehe |
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| 19:59.57 | paulswm | greycat: Or man anything, for that matter |
| 20:00.02 | mwilson | greycat: No, they think they're too special to. They make a concious decision NOT to. |
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| 20:00.09 | LSorensen | drp: and blame linux for something that _should_ be entirely a hardware problem |
| 20:00.12 | PerfDave | coachz: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:00.17 | coachz | sarge, i loaded libpng12-0 - PNG library - runtime and libpng12-dev - PNG library - development |
| 20:00.20 | otje | what is the 'Norton Ghost' equivalent for debian? |
| 20:00.22 | coachz | but same error |
| 20:00.30 | PerfDave | otje: Partimage works pretty well. |
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| 20:00.51 | stego | That's crap. Newbie implies I didn't know to in the first place. A pointer is much more helpful than being called a twit. |
| 20:01.02 | coachz | maybe i need to remove this? deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sid main |
| 20:01.02 | coachz | from y sources list ? |
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| 20:01.02 | drp | LSorensen, I didn't buy it ... christmas present |
| 20:01.09 | paulswm | otje: ntfsclone works well, also, if you wish to backup/restore an ntfs partition, of course |
| 20:01.18 | LSorensen | drp: ah, I know to exchange defective presents :) |
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| 20:01.22 | multi_io | I want to apt-get install libxft-dev, but the preinst script breaks... |
| 20:01.32 | infodroid | coachz: be more specific |
| 20:01.36 | greycat | thirty. five. YEARS. |
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| 20:01.43 | greycat | and they don't know how to read a man page yet. |
| 20:01.49 | drp | LSorensen, it's only defective in real o/s's |
| 20:01.50 | jem77 | I'm trying to SSH from one Linux server to another. |
| 20:01.51 | jem77 | I can ssh from Debian->Fedora, but not from Fedora->Debian. |
| 20:01.51 | jem77 | I can successfully SSH to both servers from my workstation (using password |
| 20:01.51 | jem77 | authentication). |
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| 20:01.52 | coachz | This is the error I get dia: /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0: version `PNG12_0' not found (required by dia) |
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| 20:02.00 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 20:02.01 | LSorensen | drp: Does it work with dos? |
| 20:02.02 | PerfDave | paulswm: What does ntfsclone do? It doesn't appear to be packaged for Debian. |
| 20:02.03 | multi_io | I cant' easily edit the preinst script because it's nowhere in the filesystem |
| 20:02.19 | greycat | multi_io: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 20:02.20 | infodroid | coachz: don't make me get mad |
| 20:02.23 | LSorensen | PerfDave: copies an ntfs partition to another partition (without copying unused space) |
| 20:02.27 | drp | LSorensen, yeah and os/2 |
| 20:02.33 | paulswm | PerfDave: package is ntfstools |
| 20:02.34 | multi_io | greycat: no, there's an older version in there |
| 20:02.41 | coachz | infodroid, sounds like it's too late for that. hehe |
| 20:02.44 | infodroid | coachz: what are you doing? what is your set up? what have you compiled? etc... |
| 20:02.49 | jem77 | What setting(s) should I look for to find the problem? |
| 20:02.54 | greycat | multi_io: in that case, extract the .deb by hand or edit the sources and bundle up your own modified one |
| 20:02.55 | LSorensen | drp: sounds like it's not a real pc keyboard, it doesn't do everything a real keyboard should. Maybe you should call about warrenty service to "fix" the keyboard. :) |
| 20:02.59 | paper | Anyone have any idea why when tryin to do a netinstall of sarge with linux26 it freezes at ACPI: IRQ10 SCI: edge set to Level Trigger ? |
| 20:03.00 | stego | greycat, sorry to rub you up the wrong way, but thanks for the help anyhow. I'm reading the manpages now. |
| 20:03.09 | otje | okay maybe i should have been more specific: i want to backup my system partition so i can easly (e.g. from bootable cd) put it back if something goes wrong |
| 20:03.09 | PerfDave | !info ntfstools |
| 20:03.14 | dpkg | ntfstools: (legacy package to install ntfsprogs), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.9.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 20:03.20 | multi_io | greycat: can' |
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| 20:03.21 | paulswm | PerfDave: Will create a sparse file image, or restore from an image, very good, I've used it both ways lots of times, very nice simple to use tool |
| 20:03.23 | multi_io | oops |
| 20:03.25 | Resonant | how do I install a .deb package manually? |
| 20:03.39 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 20:03.39 | coachz | infodroid, i'm trying to run the app DIA on sarge when I run DIA it's reporting the error I listed above |
| 20:03.43 | paper | Resonant, dpkg -i |
| 20:03.45 | greycat | just for fun, /me puts "portmap rpc.statd" in google. |
| 20:03.48 | multi_io | greycat: can't I just just unpack the control files to the right places and edit them there? |
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| 20:03.54 | greycat | link #4: Network File System (NFS) |
| 20:04.01 | paulswm | PerfDave: And ntfsresize, in the same package, resizes ntfs partitons *very quickly* |
| 20:04.13 | greycat | link #1: National Center of Excellence High Performance Computing ... www.hpcbeowulf.com/nfsservices.html |
| 20:04.21 | LSorensen | drp: is it usb or ps/2 connection by the way? |
| 20:04.22 | infodroid | coachz: what have you done in /usr/local? |
| 20:04.27 | evildevel | how can set my monitor? |
| 20:04.38 | greycat | evildevel: most people set it on a desk. |
| 20:04.42 | PerfDave | paulswm: Very handy. Does the Sarge installer use that? |
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| 20:04.51 | coachz | infodroid, i followed these instructions http://www.agata.org.br/us/install_pre.php |
| 20:04.56 | evildevel | nice joke |
| 20:04.58 | paulswm | PerfDave: I *think* so but I'm not sure |
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| 20:05.14 | evildevel | how can i reconfigure my x system |
| 20:05.16 | naddar | anyone know a program to rip dvd to avi in linux? |
| 20:05.39 | LoRez | naddar: dvdrip |
| 20:05.41 | drp | LSorensen, it's ps/2 I just got done returning two usb kvm switches due to them dropping keyboard connectivity |
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| 20:05.49 | cureless | naddar: mplayer/mencoder, google around. |
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| 20:05.53 | PerfDave | naddar: apt-cache search dvdrip |
| 20:06.11 | LSorensen | drp: well I just found some stuff on google saying MANY kvm's do not work with non standard keyboards (anything not 101/102/104/105 key) |
| 20:06.15 | paulswm | PerfDave: Actually, ntfsresize resizes the filesystem, not the partition of course |
| 20:06.19 | LSorensen | drp: many people have had problems with that partitular keyboard |
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| 20:06.25 | evildevel | how can i reconfigure my x windows system |
| 20:06.26 | infodroid | coachz: seems like you got some libs on your library path that you've manually compiled, they are crashing dia |
| 20:06.34 | drp | LSorensen, well the last kvm switch I had said it specifically supported that keyboard |
| 20:06.36 | LSorensen | drp: some don't like ps/2 scroll wheel mice either |
| 20:06.37 | walkah | why does apache2-ssl-certificate re-generate certificates with the same serial number? |
| 20:06.44 | coachz | infodroid, i'm sure you're right but I don't know how to fix it |
| 20:06.44 | LSorensen | drp: well maybe it doesn't :) |
| 20:06.52 | greycat | evildevel: /msg dpkg set up x /msg dpkg faq |
| 20:07.00 | PerfDave | paulswm: But you could resize the filesystem, then resize the partition to match? |
| 20:07.09 | drp | LSorensen, well it did support it but for about 6 hrs of system uptime |
| 20:07.09 | walkah | or. how does one appropriately set up a new test cert after one expires? |
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| 20:07.48 | LSorensen | drp: I think for kvm the best choice is usb for mouse and a standard keyboard. or even usb for the keyboard |
| 20:08.02 | LSorensen | drp: and perhaps ignoring kvm keyboard shortcuts. |
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| 20:08.21 | coachz | walkah http://rafb.net/paste/results/uZVeMM18.html |
| 20:08.31 | greycat | LSorensen: define "standard" keyboard. |
| 20:08.58 | LSorensen | greycat: has 101 (or 104 if windows keys added) keys (102/105 for outside north america). |
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| 20:09.16 | LSorensen | greycat: no media keys, no function lock crap, no programable keys, just the normal keys |
| 20:09.21 | walkah | coachz: apache2 uses apache.pem ... not .key/.csr |
| 20:09.23 | FieldySnuts | is there a such thing as quotas for reiserfs 3.6? |
| 20:09.30 | LSorensen | FieldySnuts: probably |
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| 20:09.39 | infodroid | coachz: get rid of stuff you manually installed from www.agata.org.br that is conflicting with dia. along with that, you will learn how to find out what those packages are... |
| 20:09.43 | LSorensen | FieldySnuts: I like my data to much to find out though |
| 20:09.44 | greycat | LSorensen: AT style plug? PS/2? |
| 20:10.06 | LSorensen | greycat: at and ps/2 are the same except for the physical format (hence adapters are strivial). |
| 20:10.19 | walkah | coachz: is it not possible using apache2-ssl-certificate ? |
| 20:10.27 | coachz | walkah, don't know |
| 20:10.27 | paulswm | PerfDave: YEs. What I do, for safety's sake is: 1. back up the partiton with ntfsclone, and save the partition spec with sfdisk -d. 2. Dry run ntfsresize, then run it for real. 3. Copy off the resized fs with ntfsclone. 4. Repartition disk, making ntfs partiton a few bytes larger than the image. 5. Restore image using ntfsclone. 6. Use ntfsresize to expand the fs to the partition size. Of course, you could just resize the partition in |
| 20:10.27 | paulswm | place and save a couple of steps. |
| 20:10.38 | vladster | great I have to install a library from source |
| 20:10.50 | PerfDave | paulswm: I think I'll stick to partimage for now ;) |
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| 20:12.15 | paulswm | PerfDave: Minimum steps would be 2 and 4, but I like safety :) |
| 20:12.42 | LSorensen | paulswm: wouldn't that mean you don't use ntfs? |
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| 20:12.55 | greycat | !+be gentoo advocate |
| 20:13.05 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:13.14 | greycat | dpkg, be gentoo advocate is <reply> <pijn> i used debain as a webserver for a long, but i didn't learn very much from it.. cause it simply worked perfect. gentoo makes me do it all by myself, and that is what interests me. |
| 20:13.15 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:13.21 | greycat | (From #qmail.) |
| 20:13.25 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 20:14.05 | infodroid | hehe |
| 20:14.26 | t-dub | DebianWikiWikiHome |
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| 20:15.05 | tomb0y | is there a tutorial anywhere on having one big partition, after install, and trying to create a 50mb /boot partition before the current one? |
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| 20:15.12 | paulswm | LSorensen: Heh. To give MS their due, ntfs is now very good in terms of safety. I didn't break either ext3 or XP's ntfs with power-off-while-writing tests. |
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| 20:15.22 | greycat | tomb0y: create the partitions you need before you install. |
| 20:15.54 | drp | LSorensen, now the fuking mouse doesn't work when I switch to my XP machine |
| 20:16.01 | tomb0y | greycat: i would if i was at the box.. hence im not, and the admin already installed, kinda not relevant to do that now :) |
| 20:16.06 | drp | LSorensen, lol next |
| 20:16.07 | LSorensen | paulswm: I have seen NTFS breakage, but I didn't trust the cpu in the system |
| 20:16.15 | paulswm | LSorensen: The only unsafe thing about ntfs is the OS normally writing to it :D |
| 20:16.17 | LSorensen | drp: ps/2 mouse? |
| 20:16.27 | LSorensen | paulswm: hmm, that may be. |
| 20:16.33 | ugexe | what does it mean when you can no longer su yourself (setgid: operation not permitted)? they said they were chmoding files chmod 777 -R / |
| 20:16.34 | drp | LSorensen, ps/2 adapter on a usb mouse |
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| 20:16.41 | infodroid | drp: my kvm didn't play well when switching between winxp and linux, it had to do with the screen resolutions - if they match thenn ok. i ended up wiping the windows machine. |
| 20:16.44 | LSorensen | paulswm: hard to verify given the lack of documentation on proper way to write to it |
| 20:16.52 | LSorensen | drp: I prefer using usb for my mice. |
| 20:16.58 | Defenestrator | I've seen NTFS break.. but it's rare |
| 20:17.02 | LSorensen | drp: still happy with ps/2 for keyboard though |
| 20:17.07 | drp | LSorensen, my kvm is ps/2 |
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| 20:17.09 | toubsu | LSorensen: D-Con |
| 20:17.09 | greycat | ugexe: reinstall time. |
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| 20:17.13 | Defenestrator | and I suspect hardware on top of that |
| 20:17.20 | paulswm | LSorensen: I meant Windows being unsafe, was a feeble attempt at humor on my part |
| 20:17.22 | LSorensen | drp: doesn't have usb switching? I thought most KVM's had that now |
| 20:17.45 | drp | LSorensen, i just returned 2 usb kvms due to them losing keyboard connectivity |
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| 20:17.59 | LSorensen | drp: using a keyboard known to not work many kvm's |
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| 20:18.18 | drp | LSorensen, no but that specific kvm said they supported it |
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| 20:19.29 | vladster | I just love depreciated libraries |
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| 20:19.53 | vulture | deprecated.. not depreciated |
| 20:19.56 | vulture | bleh. |
| 20:19.59 | vladster | right up there with experimental pile surgery |
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| 20:21.14 | vladster | if I try to link to a compatible library I get relocation error: /usr/local/games/Terminus/TPE-MDK8-V0-04: undefined symbol: cerr |
| 20:21.36 | vulture | did you link to the C++ standard library too? |
| 20:21.47 | vladster | yep |
| 20:21.58 | greycat | you shouldn't have to do that explicitly; use g++ to invoke the linker. |
| 20:22.06 | vulture | greycat: *nods* |
| 20:22.17 | d-one | hi, please tell me where i can get iso of weekly update debian sarge ? I found only from 05.01.05 from mirrors |
| 20:22.49 | Kvant | d-one, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:22.59 | vladster | the app is looking for the file |
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| 20:24.09 | d-one | Kvant: thanks |
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| 20:24.21 | uince | can you help me please.. I have orrible font in some web pages (on mozilla firefox)... why? my resolution is 1280x1024 on an lcd |
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| 20:24.24 | pathway | Quick question: What do I do if my SSH session crashed during an apt-get upgrade? |
| 20:24.28 | vladster | this is what is it looking for libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 and it is only in the ubuntu drive |
| 20:24.51 | green_earz | d-one: or > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050212/ |
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| 20:24.58 | greycat | pathway: ask yourself, "SELF, WHY DIDN'T I USE SCREEN?!?" |
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| 20:25.18 | pathway | greycat: Hrm. I'll have to learn that one. |
| 20:25.19 | vladster | brain is starting to hurt |
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| 20:25.31 | green_earz | d-one: go for the sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 20:26.03 | cureless | pathway: can't you restart the upgrade? |
| 20:26.05 | grendal_prime | hey anyone done any oooffice hacking? |
| 20:26.06 | greycat | pathway: your apt-get will have received a SIGHUP and terminated, hopefully without destroying anything... but you never know. Go back in, dpkg --configure -a, and try the apt-get again. |
| 20:26.31 | pathway | Thanks cureless, greycat. |
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| 20:26.50 | grendal_prime | i need a regx that will look at a doc and replace certain characters on file save from oooffice |
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| 20:26.52 | cureless | pathway: and on a separate note, be careful when you apt-get upgrade remotely. Specially with sarge/sid |
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| 20:27.04 | d-one | green_earz: my home internet is 300 MB limited. I need something new which not need big part of updates :))) |
| 20:27.05 | grendal_prime | i know that sounds like alot...but...im sure its possible |
| 20:27.15 | pathway | cureless: don't have a choice. |
| 20:27.21 | MacTen | anyone can help me with installing DEB package, please? |
| 20:27.33 | pathway | macten: man dpkg |
| 20:27.37 | cureless | pathway: I just said "be careful", not "don't do it" :-). |
| 20:27.37 | vladster | The problem is that the maintainer for the package is still running on woody and has no interest in trying to fix the bug since the new version runs on an xml base |
| 20:27.53 | grendal_prime | seems like it could be done with sed |
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| 20:28.08 | green_earz | d-one: so you are stuck then for a net install, so have a look on ebay for a sarge dvd or cd set |
| 20:28.12 | vladster | it is heaviliy dependent on libxerces |
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| 20:28.22 | coachz | infodroid, i deleted the /usr/local/php-gtk directory. that was the only think I put in /usr/local before dia broke and I still get: dia: /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0: version `PNG12_0' not found (required by dia) |
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| 20:28.26 | grendal_prime | I need to replace all the <? with <? of course |
| 20:28.29 | vladster | but I can't find the version yet |
| 20:28.36 | pathway | cureless: Heh. Yeah, but it's ALWAYS true. Not just with sarge/sid, or even woody. It's also true with Redhat... and Windows... and Mac OS X server... Probably the BSD's too. |
| 20:28.37 | cureless | grendal_prime: I don't know enough about oo.org files, but aren't they just compressed xml? can't you decompress and then sed? |
| 20:28.39 | coachz | these are the exact instructions I did: http://www.agata.org.br/us/install_pre.php |
| 20:28.55 | MacTen | dpkg -i locales_2.2.5-11.8_all.deb |
| 20:28.55 | MacTen | (Reading database ... 18037 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 20:28.55 | MacTen | Preparing to replace locales 2.2.5-11.8 (using locales_2.2.5-11.8_all.deb) ... |
| 20:28.57 | MacTen | Unpacking replacement locales ... |
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| 20:29.03 | MacTen | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of locales: |
| 20:29.03 | dpkg | MacTen: wish i knew |
| 20:29.03 | grendal_prime | well im sure you could just sed them in there usual state |
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| 20:29.07 | MacTen | locales depends on glibc-2.2.5-11.8; however: |
| 20:29.07 | CosmoDad | does anyone know a xmms plugin that adds something like a "play audio cd" button? I hate to switch to /mnt/cdrom when I want to play an audio cd with XMMS... |
| 20:29.11 | MacTen | Package glibc-2.2.5-11.8 is not installed. |
| 20:29.15 | MacTen | dpkg: error processing locales (--install): |
| 20:29.15 | dpkg | MacTen: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:29.19 | MacTen | dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 20:29.23 | MacTen | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 20:29.26 | grendal_prime | the trick is...i want it to do this as i save the files via openoffice |
| 20:29.27 | MacTen | locales |
| 20:29.33 | MacTen | some error happend |
| 20:29.39 | MacTen | i need to install russian locale at server |
| 20:29.41 | afra | how do i get the middle mouse button within X-11 to paste - it was working fine a few days ago |
| 20:29.44 | vladster | actually if you set up automount, it will do it on the fly when you put it in |
| 20:29.50 | grendal_prime | so i mean i could use a famd type app..but i would like it to be INSIDE open office |
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| 20:30.04 | greycat | afra: what did you change? |
| 20:30.06 | cureless | grendal_prime: ahh, I see. |
| 20:30.12 | afra | greycat, absolutely nothing |
| 20:30.21 | pathway | MacTen: try 'apt-get install *NameOfPackageDependedOn*' |
| 20:30.21 | mwilson | afra: If you're using the PRIMARY selection, then it has to *stay* selected until you paste it. |
| 20:30.23 | afra | greycat, the middle mouse button just doesnt function anymore |
| 20:30.24 | grendal_prime | cureless, you well...if you understood why would that help out maybe? |
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| 20:30.35 | afra | or it wont open a new tab in firefox, etc... |
| 20:30.36 | greycat | afra: swap out the mouse. |
| 20:30.59 | grendal_prime | basically i need a web editor for my wife that will understand php tags. and specifically php tags inside of form eliments |
| 20:30.59 | cureless | grendal_prime: I thought you wanted to change stuff on a file without opening, like on a script to change multiple files. |
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| 20:31.56 | cureless | grendal_prime: what? So what you want is an html editor? why not use bluefish or something like that? |
| 20:31.56 | Occulis | grendal_prime: there are some CMS' out there, like exponent and mambo, with nice GUIs for editing web content |
| 20:32.04 | Occulis | but they are more for article submission and online news sites |
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| 20:32.08 | green_earz | grendal_prime: or quanta |
| 20:32.09 | harryvv | What kind of processor/memoy combo is needed to compile a kernel with minimal options under a hour or 30 minites? |
| 20:32.10 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 20:32.18 | grendal_prime | well here is the thing...when you save a doc from openoffice it replaces the tags... |
| 20:32.25 | grendal_prime | guys i know this...i use quanta every day |
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| 20:32.34 | ralf | Hi |
| 20:32.38 | grendal_prime | and i have seen the cms systems you seem |
| 20:32.44 | ribnitz | harryvv: A pentium-class cpu. |
| 20:33.00 | harryvv | rib, mine took two hours. |
| 20:33.04 | harryvv | way to long |
| 20:33.23 | ralf | how can I assign multiple ipv6 addresses to an interface at bootup? |
| 20:33.27 | grendal_prime | im talking about a project that will be mostly built via openoffice |
| 20:33.31 | ralf | what i have to put in interfaces? |
| 20:33.32 | ribnitz | harryvv: I use precompiled kernels, since I see no sense in rolling my own. |
| 20:33.39 | grivell | lol, I should time kernel compiles on my 1 ghz g4. It seems fast ;) |
| 20:33.43 | afra | greycat, that did it...odd, this mouse was only a couple of months old :( |
| 20:33.51 | PerfDave | harryvv: ccache would be a good start if you're recompiling often. |
| 20:34.02 | harryvv | ccashe? |
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| 20:34.05 | ribnitz | PerfDave: discovered that. |
| 20:34.11 | grendal_prime | however there are portions of it that will be put onto webserver and it would be very nice to not have to teach the many people how to change gears, switch to a different editor and work with html |
| 20:34.34 | PerfDave | harryvv: apt-cache show ccache |
| 20:34.40 | harryvv | k |
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| 20:34.49 | PerfDave | harryvv: But really, there's rarely any point in compiling your own kernels. |
| 20:35.03 | zaikxtox | hello. is there some better option for kde media player than NoAtun? |
| 20:35.04 | ribnitz | Is there a way I can limit the max number of (ssh) login attempts form an ip per timeframe? |
| 20:35.31 | hob | Hi. How do i reconfigure X to recognise a new monitor and get out of this 800x600? |
| 20:35.45 | greycat | hob: /msg dpkg set up x /msg dpkg faq |
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| 20:35.55 | hob | cheers |
| 20:36.04 | ribnitz | Feb 11 21:18:25 pinguin sshd[19525]: Failed password for illegal user justin from ::ffff:202.101.35.175 port 35108 ssh2 |
| 20:36.07 | ribnitz | Feb 11 21:18:28 pinguin sshd[19527]: Failed password for illegal user charlie from ::ffff:202.101.35.175 port 35158 ssh2 |
| 20:36.11 | ribnitz | (etc) |
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| 20:36.23 | ecko | hey I'm having a prblem in gnome where an automatically mounted partition is showing up on my gnome desktop like a hotplugged drive normall would, is there any wa I can stop this |
| 20:36.31 | grendal_prime | Open office has the useabilty for this...it just doesnt like the php tags.. |
| 20:36.34 | greycat | why oh WHY isn't there a living breathing #ssh or #openssh? |
| 20:36.52 | lobomufas | hi |
| 20:36.57 | ribnitz | greycat: thats a debian system. |
| 20:37.02 | grendal_prime | cause its not complicated enough to open a channel? |
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| 20:37.07 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 20:37.30 | CarlosAlex | Where may I found webdesigner ? |
| 20:37.44 | paulswm | greycat: There prolly is, but it's a secure encrypted channel |
| 20:37.49 | harryvv | PerfDave apt-cashe does not find the package. |
| 20:37.49 | ribnitz | CarlosAlex: google.. |
| 20:37.53 | _SerhaT_ | <grendal_prime> cause its not complicated enough to open a channel? <--- so someone that wants the most easiest distro.. must check which distro doesn't have an channel.. and use that one? :P |
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| 20:38.11 | greycat | paulswm: Bu, V frr. Gunaxf. |
| 20:38.24 | paulswm | Heh |
| 20:39.00 | CarlosAlex | Id like to know which software is compatible to dreamweaver MX in linux... Id like to use Dreamweaver templates in linux |
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| 20:39.43 | kirbymeister | Dreamweaver sucks.... but I would recommend fiddling with WINE |
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| 20:39.54 | kirbymeister | since I dont know any good replacements for 'weaver |
| 20:39.57 | PerfDave | !info ccache woody |
| 20:39.59 | dpkg | ccache: (Compiler results cacher, for fast recompiles.), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.7-1 (woody), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
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| 20:40.12 | PerfDave | harryvv: Then your apt sources are broken. |
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| 20:40.39 | PerfDave | gvim is a good replacement for Dreamweaver. |
| 20:40.39 | burtonator | does anyone know if there are instructions for building libc6-i686 ? I need an 2.3.4 glibc due to a bug in 2.3.2.... |
| 20:40.43 | kirbymeister | seriously I handcode all my pages. Saves me <insert over-inflated cost of dreamweaver here> |
| 20:40.45 | abrotman | CarlosAlex: i doubt any are compatible .. but bluefish isn't that bad |
| 20:41.04 | ribnitz | burtonator: apt-get -b source? |
| 20:41.04 | CarlosAlex | hummm.... What about quanta ? |
| 20:41.18 | ribnitz | CarlosAlex: not at that level. |
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| 20:41.27 | greycat | burtonator: what bug would that be? |
| 20:41.30 | abrotman | CarlosAlex: never used it .. damn Qt crap |
| 20:41.46 | tomb0y | if i turn off swap space, and i need to reboot so that swap stays off for the mean time, is there any thing else i need to do besides swapoff -a ? |
| 20:41.47 | CarlosAlex | bluefish is better than quanta? |
| 20:41.58 | grigora | is there a config file for syslog where one can enable network loggin (-r)? |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | i didn't say that .. just that i've never used it |
| 20:42.06 | tomb0y | not sure if init.d will turn on swap automaticcaly |
| 20:42.07 | ecko | hey I'm having a problem in gnome where an automatically mounted partition is showing up on my gnome desktop like a hotplugged drive normall would, is there any wa I can stop this |
| 20:42.07 | ribnitz | tomb0y: nope. |
| 20:42.31 | ribnitz | tomb0y: but turning off shwap is a bad idea. |
| 20:42.31 | grivell | CarlosAlex: Not in my experience. |
| 20:42.31 | arango | I want to tar my whole system and I was wondering if I should tar any files in the /dev directory ? |
| 20:42.40 | greycat | arango: yes. |
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| 20:42.51 | tomb0y | ribnitz: i know, just tryin to realign some paritions |
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| 20:43.16 | arango | greycat: Are some of these files created by packages other than the kernel ? |
| 20:43.24 | grendal_prime | i think i can do this with oooffice macros cureless |
| 20:43.27 | greycat | arango: yes. man MAKEDEV |
| 20:43.29 | steele | how can I diagnose system cpu usage>50% when the proc doesn't show anything in top? |
| 20:43.44 | greycat | arango: also, some symlinks therein are created at install time. |
| 20:43.45 | ribnitz | steele: uptime |
| 20:43.48 | steele | prbably a driver, but not sure which |
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| 20:43.50 | kaiowa | anyone know an authoring dvd app??? |
| 20:43.56 | greycat | arango: of course, ALL of this assumes you don't run something stupid like devfs or udev.... |
| 20:44.00 | steele | uptime is about a day |
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| 20:44.09 | ribnitz | kaiowa: dvdauthor |
| 20:44.15 | arango | greycat: Oh ok, I was under the impression that they were not automatically created by the kernel each time you boot based on what devices the kernel detects .... |
| 20:44.18 | nighter | if the apt-get system is brooken some pakets is missing in the repostitory so it dosent continue it says i have to type apt-get -f install but then it stops when processing some paket is it possible to clear the apt system so it works again? |
| 20:44.20 | Little_Dump | does anyone know what kacpid is and does? |
| 20:45.13 | greycat | arango: devfs and udev do utterly insane stupid shit like that. a normal /dev tree is a static entity created ONCE at installation time, with a few occasional modifications like chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc or ln -s hdc cdrom |
| 20:45.14 | arango | greycat: how is /dev managed by default in Debian ? |
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| 20:45.37 | lobomufas | devfs |
| 20:45.37 | greycat | but once you install gnome, which drags in udev, all bets are off. |
| 20:45.44 | greycat | lobomufas: devfs is *SO* dead. |
| 20:45.49 | greycat | (thank *god*!) |
| 20:46.01 | lobomufas | greycat: i know, but it's the default install |
| 20:46.13 | ribnitz | greycat: so udev is *SO* better= |
| 20:46.25 | ribnitz | er,? |
| 20:46.38 | greycat | ribnitz: stabbing yourself in the foot with an ice pick is *SO* better than shooting yourself in the throat with a .44. |
| 20:46.45 | arango | greycat: What is the difference between udev and devfs ? |
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| 20:46.54 | steele | I check vmstat and iostat, those seem normal |
| 20:46.54 | greycat | arango: devfs is dead, dead, dead, deprecated and DEAD. |
| 20:46.55 | resiak | arango: STFW. |
| 20:46.58 | greycat | udev isn't dead yet. |
| 20:47.00 | greycat | but we can hope. |
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| 20:47.50 | arango | greycat: So why did lobomufas say devfs is the default ? |
| 20:47.52 | lobomufas | ribnitz: mmm, if I'm not worng udev only puts dev fs in user space instead kernel space like devfs, isn't it? |
| 20:47.55 | greycat | because he's stupid? |
| 20:48.16 | CarlosAlex | Please |
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| 20:48.30 | resiak | lobomufas: Yes, you're right. |
| 20:48.34 | arango | hehe |
| 20:48.47 | CarlosAlex | Where do I found step-by-step a howto to install my HP692C printer???? Please |
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| 20:49.01 | greycat | CarlosAlex: try CUPS. |
| 20:49.03 | arango | greycat: Why do you want udev to die too ? |
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| 20:49.12 | CarlosAlex | I tried |
| 20:49.14 | ribnitz | CarlosAlex: linuxprinting.org, install cups and hope. |
| 20:49.15 | greycat | arango: it serves no useful purpose, and causes problems. |
| 20:49.20 | CarlosAlex | Recognize the printer |
| 20:49.26 | CarlosAlex | but do not print nothing |
| 20:49.27 | lobomufas | sorry for my "lag" writing, i'm really bad translating from spanish to something comprehensible hehe |
| 20:49.34 | grigora | anyone knows how to configure syslog to accept network connections? |
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| 20:49.40 | greycat | grigora: man syslogd |
| 20:49.45 | greycat | grigora: editor /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 20:50.03 | ribnitz | CarlosAlex: what model? |
| 20:50.04 | tomb0y | to duplicate root, i can just do cp -a * newdir/ | grep -E "^proc|^newdir" right ? |
| 20:50.05 | shingouz | CarlosAlex: with cups. iirc the proper printer would be (surprise surprise) deskjet 649c |
| 20:50.14 | greycat | tomb0y: uh, no. |
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| 20:50.28 | shingouz | dj692c that is |
| 20:50.28 | grigora | greycat: i can certainly hack /etc/init.d/sysklogd to pass the -r flag to syslog, but I was hoping there would a config file for that |
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| 20:50.34 | CarlosAlex | HP 692c |
| 20:50.39 | greycat | grigora: /etc/init.d/sysklogd IS the config file. |
| 20:50.56 | grigora | greycat: i see now, thanks |
| 20:51.00 | CarlosAlex | deskjet 692C |
| 20:51.09 | shingouz | CarlosAlex: if you cannot find the exact printer there, try somethign close. they all are very similar and seem to run with almost any deskjet driver |
| 20:51.21 | arango | greycat: So you are saying the best way is for /dev to be populated manually through mknod ? |
| 20:51.24 | CarlosAlex | but theres the driver there |
| 20:51.32 | greycat | feel free to submit a patch that fixes the package to conform to the /etc/default/ de facto standard. the debian developers ALWAYS love receiving patches that improve their packages. Yes, I'm lying through my teeth. |
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| 20:51.32 | gilles_ | i have a refresh problem with gnome on the menus and on the screen, it looks to come from famd, does someone know about it ? |
| 20:51.32 | ribnitz | CarlosAlex: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_692C |
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| 20:51.35 | shingouz | CarlosAlex: and you still cannot print? |
| 20:51.52 | greycat | arango: yes. the way it's been done for 35 years. |
| 20:52.19 | tomb0y | greycat: this look better? cd / && echo cp -a `/bin/ls -1Ab | egrep -v "^new-disk$|^proc$"` /new-disk | sh |
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| 20:52.38 | greycat | tomb0y: scary. very, very scary. have you tried find(1) yet? |
| 20:52.51 | CarlosAlex | I will try to install it later |
| 20:52.53 | CarlosAlex | thanks anyway |
| 20:53.06 | shingouz | <shrug> |
| 20:53.08 | burtonator | greycat: http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2005/02/msg00007.html |
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| 20:53.18 | burtonator | greycat: http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2005/01/msg00129.html |
| 20:53.28 | arango | greycat: So how can USB and other hot-pluggable devices be handled ? |
| 20:53.28 | burtonator | all those URLs are WRT the glibc threading bug I was talking about |
| 20:53.32 | greycat | tomb0y: what you *really* want is "cd /; find . -xdev -prune something something -print | cpio -paduv /target" |
| 20:53.37 | burtonator | NPTL race condition :-/ |
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| 20:54.24 | steele | is there not something to list diver usage like top does for userspace? |
| 20:55.31 | greycat | burtonator: so what you need to do is 'apt-get source glibc', apply your patches, and build you up a custom libc6 .deb :) |
| 20:55.54 | greycat | burtonator: I'd strongly recommend backing up your whole system before you install it; |
| 20:55.59 | drp | LSorensen, I'm using 2 keyboards on my xp machine now (standard 102 and ms. natural pro) haha |
| 20:56.15 | arango | greycat: What I plan to do is do a minimal install on some machines and untar the file that contains everything else. |
| 20:56.55 | greycat | steele: you could add a bunch of printk()s to the kernel source. |
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| 20:57.35 | steele | maybe... /proc/driver only has rtc and nvidia, so its probably nvidia |
| 20:57.51 | arango | greycat: Actually the tarball contains everything but I will just let overwrite the files created with the minimun install. I am not sure though how to handle the /dev/directory .... |
| 20:57.54 | ribnitz | Are all 75 dpi fonts also available as 100dpi? |
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| 20:58.16 | greycat | arango: why not simply let tar extract all the devices and just *live* with having a full /dev tree? |
| 20:58.28 | burtonator | greycat: yeah... thats what I was going to do... any pointers performing this operation?. I can't find any refs for building a source pkg with a new tar.gz |
| 20:58.32 | greycat | why do all these people think they aren't allowed to have extra stuff in /dev? |
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| 20:58.44 | greycat | burtonator: do NOT use a new .tar.gz. My god. |
| 20:58.57 | greycat | burtonator: apply your PATCHES to the existing debianized source. |
| 20:59.10 | burtonator | the source ships with an _orig.tar.gz |
| 20:59.14 | burtonator | and their custom patches |
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| 20:59.17 | greycat | burtonator: and a HUGE fucking .diff.gz. |
| 20:59.22 | steele | hmmm, rmmod nvidia did do anything, still got >60% system |
| 20:59.25 | burtonator | so I'd need to diff the original and apply my own patches |
| 20:59.28 | arango | greycat: The machines are identical, so that wont be a problem . Does tar handle device files ? |
| 20:59.30 | steele | err didn't |
| 20:59.37 | greycat | arango: yes. |
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| 21:00.17 | arango | greycat: I see the default kernel option is to use udev, so udev allows the use of mknod ? |
| 21:00.39 | greycat | arango: udev is only used if the 'udev' userspace package is installed, which typically only happens when someone installs 'gnome'. |
| 21:01.17 | hikenboot | hello all Question: I run 2.6.8.2 kernel with the kde 3.3.2 I want a dual CDROM/DVD to dynamically change from cdrom to dvd depending on wether it has a dvd cdrom and wether its a data or music or movie...how do i get it to do this? |
| 21:01.24 | greycat | there's a 2.6.8.2? |
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| 21:01.39 | greycat | he must mean a debian 2.6.8-2-*86 kernel-image. |
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| 21:02.13 | greycat | as for the rest, I can't even *understand* the question. |
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| 21:02.29 | greycat | why not simply make /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd both point to the device? |
| 21:03.01 | greycat | OH WAIT... a static /dev would be too SIMPLE and EASY!! We couldn't do that! Let's rearrange the entire kernel namespace? |
| 21:03.06 | greycat | s/\?/!/ |
| 21:03.12 | el` | hahaha |
| 21:03.20 | arango | greycat: interesting ... I didn't know we were going back to the way its always been. Although I don't see how that will support dynamic creation of dev files for plugabble devices |
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| 21:04.08 | greycat | arango: why do you need them? |
| 21:04.10 | ribnitz | is thwere a simple way to distinguish a DVD-disk from a CD if both are unlabeled/unmarked and you don't have a drive nearby? |
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| 21:04.28 | tman | hi there, cool anyone help me out with some linking problems using anjuta? |
| 21:04.32 | greycat | arango: what are you planning to do? POLL the /dev/mountable-things/ directory for new entries every 50 milliseconds to see what you should do? |
| 21:04.55 | el` | greycat: are you related to mwilson? :P hehe |
| 21:05.18 | steele | ribnitz, the color is usually a dead giveaway |
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| 21:05.33 | el` | Sorry, i couldn't help myself :( |
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| 21:05.58 | arango | greycat: I'm just asking how would they be handled, I really don't know the answer |
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| 21:06.19 | ribnitz | steele: both are sivery. |
| 21:06.26 | steele | is it a dvdr? |
| 21:06.39 | ribnitz | steele: no idea. |
| 21:06.42 | greycat | arango: I've always handled them by hoping that the device always comes up as "sda" each time it's plugged in. If that breaks (which sometimes, inexplicably, it does -- and I get the Compact Flash card to come up as hde), then the users reboot. |
| 21:06.43 | steele | usually a slight purple tine there |
| 21:06.48 | steele | tint |
| 21:07.01 | pder | I am having problems with the debian-installer. Its a laptop, broken CD-ROM, wifi card that requires ndiswrapper. I boot off of floppies, mount a usb device containing a netboot ISO image in /cdrom, but the installer doesnt detect it. can someone help?? |
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| 21:07.09 | steele | cds are (almost) never purple |
| 21:07.14 | jegc | msg dpkg paster |
| 21:07.21 | ribnitz | steele: both same shade of sivery. |
| 21:07.29 | steele | nfi the |
| 21:07.35 | steele | then |
| 21:07.57 | arango | greycat: how about external USB sound, video and other gadgets like that, or something more common such as a PDA |
| 21:08.08 | ribnitz | steele: dvd'rs are kinda bluish, but these don't |
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| 21:08.24 | steele | must be factory pressed |
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| 21:08.55 | si|vercat | this is odd.. K3b tells me this one file of an .mp3 album is unsupported, so I can't make an audio cd off it.. |
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| 21:09.06 | si|vercat | but the file plays fine in any player |
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| 21:09.09 | PerfDave | pder: #debian-boot may be able to help. |
| 21:09.11 | benley | dpkg: sing sarge |
| 21:09.11 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
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| 21:09.21 | FieldySnuts | don't feel bad, k3b often crashes for me when I try to do that. some mp3 files are screwed, in other cases, k3b just can't support them |
| 21:09.26 | pder | thanks PerfDave |
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| 21:09.33 | benley | I wish I had some vague idea of wtf is holding up testing-security |
| 21:09.33 | a_monkey | how do i pin stuff with a higher priority in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:09.38 | PerfDave | I've never had k3b fail to burn an mp3 |
| 21:09.40 | si|vercat | FieldySnuts: so what do you do? convert to .wav? |
| 21:09.48 | PerfDave | a_monkey: You don't pin stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:09.52 | PerfDave | a_monkey: Read the APT HOWTO |
| 21:10.03 | benley | a_monkey: /etc/apt/preferences is what you want |
| 21:10.14 | FieldySnuts | si|vercat: that's an idea, it happens rarely enough that i usually exclude the file that happens to |
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| 21:11.27 | netsurfer | what changes modules.dep - is it make modules or make modules_install ? |
| 21:11.28 | si|vercat | FieldySnuts: got a tool for it? it's kinda lame to burn an album missing 1 song.. :P |
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| 21:12.20 | jjazz | si|vercat: http://www.gwaihir.org/linux/mp3.html |
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| 21:12.41 | valdyn_ | si|vercat: why dont you use an mp3 playback program of your choice to do the conversion ( mpg321 or whatever ) |
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| 21:12.55 | ribnitz | !fr |
| 21:12.55 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:13.01 | si|vercat | valdyn_: good idea :P |
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| 21:16.52 | MONITORSHIT | hi @ll |
| 21:17.07 | sunai | !de |
| 21:17.07 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 21:17.10 | sunai | !ru |
| 21:17.11 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 21:17.21 | sunai | !tv |
| 21:17.21 | dpkg | methinks tv is modprobe bttv msp3400 tuner; wmtvmotv |
| 21:17.42 | MONITORSHIT | i need help in configuring my video card and my monitor ! sry but i need an person to talk |
| 21:17.58 | sunai | MONITORSHIT: too bad, only bots here |
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| 21:18.31 | gnat_x | so i have a laptop that a friend installed sarge on. he has forgotten root, as have i (though i once knew it). I tried booting into single, but am promtped for root anyway. how do i circumvent this and just get to the shell so i can change root? |
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| 21:18.50 | cthulfuego | SHIT! I AM IN A VERY ABD MOOD! |
| 21:19.06 | sunai | uuuughgh |
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| 21:19.38 | stew | !hug cthulfuego |
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| 21:19.46 | cthulfuego | stew: That ain't cutting it. |
| 21:19.54 | stew | !fluffle cthulfuego |
| 21:19.59 | cthulfuego | there's a man with a PNEUMATIC DRILL outside my window. |
| 21:20.07 | valdyn_ | gnat_x: give linux the boot option: "init=/bin/bash" |
| 21:20.08 | cthulfuego | I want to kill him. |
| 21:20.20 | Ronin | cthulfuego: isnt that a special sound while trying to work |
| 21:20.22 | sunai | who's stopping you? |
| 21:20.23 | idnar | cthulfuego: change the target of the drill from <whatever he's drilling> to his brain |
| 21:20.24 | cthulfuego | And oh yes, /dev/hda is missing. |
| 21:20.26 | valdyn_ | gnat_x: give linux the kernel option: "init=/bin/bash" |
| 21:20.27 | gnat_x | valdyn_, where, at the end of the kernel line? |
| 21:20.28 | jjazz | cthulfuego: We must be neighbors. I got one too. Maybe this is their time, like big cicadas with power tools. |
| 21:20.49 | cthulfuego | jjazz: it's 8:20 am - it's NOT time for loud noises. |
| 21:20.57 | nmx | i have several networks on the same physical interface, and ip aliasing set up. i would like to be able to "route" between the virtual interfaces, but it seems that when i try to do that, the gateway sends an icmp redirect back to the host, basically saying "hey stupid, you're already on the same network segment." is there a way to force linux to forward those packets back out the same physical interface? |
| 21:21.00 | bjbL | cthulfuego, is there a cafe you can go work at for a bit? with wireless? |
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| 21:21.03 | valdyn_ | gnat_x: doesnt matter |
| 21:21.10 | jjazz | Ah... it's a bit after 4pm here... quite different |
| 21:21.17 | tomb0y | which button during the 3.0 woody install will drop down to a shell? f3? or alt-f3 ? |
| 21:21.20 | netsurfer | 9.20pm here heh ;) |
| 21:21.25 | cthulfuego | bjbL: Nah, no free ones. |
| 21:21.36 | idnar | 23:21 here :( |
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| 21:21.41 | cthulfuego | bjbL: And I don't have a tall mast with my own AP on it. |
| 21:22.09 | greycat | tomb0y: you couldn't just press <F1> when it said "Press <F1> for help", could you? |
| 21:22.16 | cthulfuego | I think my own wifi reception ends where he's breaking up the footpath. |
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| 21:22.34 | paulswm | cthulfuego: You sure it's a pneumatic drll and not one of your hard drives dying |
| 21:22.41 | Evon150 | where do i change login manager ? |
| 21:22.51 | cthulfuego | paulswm: Yep, I checked. |
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| 21:22.56 | toubsu | did you used to be cafuego? |
| 21:23.00 | paulswm | HAH! |
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| 21:23.15 | cthulfuego | paulswm: Besides, whey're WDs, not IBMs ;-) |
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| 21:23.22 | Toastie | Buying a Linux box, which 802.11g PCI card should I purchase? |
| 21:23.33 | cthulfuego | the one deathstar I *do* have works fine anyway. Has for *years*. |
| 21:23.46 | cthulfuego | Toastie: www.prism54.(org|com) |
| 21:23.49 | Toastie | cthulfuego: psst, mine worked fine for 3 years |
| 21:23.54 | netsurfer | one died last week |
| 21:23.57 | zinx | cthulfuego: i think it was the 75GXP with the problems |
| 21:24.05 | netsurfer | 6 months outside warranty |
| 21:24.08 | Toastie | zinx: 60GXP has problems allright |
| 21:24.09 | tomb0y | greycat: i dont even have an install disc near me, trying to walk someone through something who knows nothing about debian, so tryin to go off of memory from years ago |
| 21:24.11 | zinx | possibly some other GXPs |
| 21:24.12 | cthulfuego | Toastie: It;'s already done it's weird noise thing 3 years ago. |
| 21:24.32 | netsurfer | u do the firmware upgrade? |
| 21:24.40 | Toastie | cthulfuego: mine simply refused to spin up sometimes. Copied data off it at the last moment, but wouldn't count on it if I was you. |
| 21:24.43 | cthulfuego | Then I moved it from the FW enclosure to the Linux box and it was happy again. Has been ever since. |
| 21:24.55 | Toastie | cthulfuego: Prism54 is a chipset, isn't it? |
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| 21:25.48 | hikenboot | sorry I stepped away for a while and i read what people wrote about what i am trying to do with my dual functional CD-RW/DVD-R drive. |
| 21:26.16 | hikenboot | I am trying to get the CD-RW/DVD-R to respond automatically when changing the disks |
| 21:26.42 | hikenboot | this is the way windows does it and its easy instead of mounting and unmounting the device each time |
| 21:26.52 | hikenboot | it is afterall plug and play hardware ...so why not? |
| 21:26.58 | hikenboot | and I am runing a gui |
| 21:27.34 | hikenboot | it autoplays dvd's but all the apps dont acknowledge the change |
| 21:27.44 | netsurfer | modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.29/modules.dep <-- how do I cure this error on boot with new kernel ? |
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| 21:28.24 | simonrvn | netsurfer: run update-modules. usually run anyway. if it continues to re-occur, then run that |
| 21:28.32 | hikenboot | I thought that ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd would work |
| 21:28.32 | hikenboot | but it says |
| 21:28.45 | hikenboot | that the device is defined |
| 21:28.47 | netsurfer | simonrvn - ok i'll try that.. thx |
| 21:28.57 | cthulfuego | hikenboot: They're both symlinks. Does one of them point at anything useful? |
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| 21:29.09 | Toastie | cthulfuego: Prism54 is a chipset, isn't it? |
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| 21:29.23 | cthulfuego | Toastie: yep. |
| 21:29.31 | cthulfuego | Toastie: a *supported* chipset, notably. |
| 21:29.33 | hikenboot | I would dump my /etc/ftab in here but I dont want to get booted |
| 21:29.33 | Toastie | cthulfuego: and what popular cards use it? |
| 21:29.44 | cthulfuego | Toastie: The ones listed on that website use it. |
| 21:29.56 | Toastie | cthulfuego :) |
| 21:30.03 | hikenboot | /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 21:30.19 | cthulfuego | Toastie: Note that some manufacturers change chipsets between card revisions and don't note on the packaging that it's now a broadcom POS instead of a Prism54. |
| 21:30.44 | Toastie | cthulfuego: aren't Broadcoms supported? After all, doesn't Linksys use a Broadcom on their routers? |
| 21:31.03 | cthulfuego | Toastie: Having to use a binary-only closed driver is not "supported". |
| 21:31.16 | gnat_x | how do i workaround "passwd: Authentication token lock busy"? |
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| 21:31.28 | Toastie | cthulfuego: Linksys ship their firmware with a non-free driver? Hmm. |
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| 21:31.53 | adjacent | im looking to set up vpopmail on debian. there is no package for sarge. looks like i need to build from source. how do i work with source packages and still keep my package manager clean? |
| 21:32.02 | netsurfer | simonrvn - nope.. still getting same error on boot :( |
| 21:32.04 | cthulfuego | Toastie: Wouldn't surprise me. Realtek do the same with their 8180 or whatever it is. |
| 21:32.10 | greycat | adjacent: install them under /opt or /usr/local |
| 21:32.24 | hikenboot | cthulfuego is this what you were looking for? |
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| 21:32.34 | gylm | hello |
| 21:32.40 | Toastie | cthulfuego: Realtek has a Linux-based WRT too? |
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| 21:32.53 | hikenboot | /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 21:32.58 | adjacent | greycat: whats the rational behind that? i generally use slackware, one of the reasons is im not sure how to work with software not included in apt... |
| 21:33.00 | cthulfuego | Toastie: Not made by them, but yes. www.minitar.com |
| 21:33.15 | greycat | adjacent: /usr/local and /opt are YOURS, and dpkg cannot touch them. |
| 21:33.26 | cthulfuego | Toastie: Realtek cpu and realtek wifi chip. Runs Linux, has been hacked with custom firmware. |
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| 21:33.43 | zinx | Toastie: i'm sorry. |
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| 21:34.00 | adjacent | greycat: ok. i see. can apt keep records of things installed from source? so i can fully remove them? similar to checkinstall for slackware. |
| 21:34.03 | gylm | I've sarge installed on a machine with gnome, but I want to download all packages needed by gnome and copy them to another machine that doesn't have dsl (I know there is apt-zip but I'm not on the not dsled machine:) so can I download all pkgs needed by gnome either if I already isntalled? |
| 21:34.04 | Toastie | A 10mbps Realtek card, even. |
| 21:34.19 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.30 | greycat | !punish Empty for not installing build-essential |
| 21:34.34 | Toastie | Argh, why does Abit consider "6-Channel AC'97 CODEC on board" a 'spec'? |
| 21:35.07 | simonrvn | adjacent: checkinstall on debian builds .debs |
| 21:35.51 | greycat | Toastie: so they can swap out chipsets when the other guy drops prices by $0.002 per unit. |
| 21:35.52 | adjacent | simonrvn: is it a good tool, or can i expect lots of problems when using it together with apt? |
| 21:36.02 | greycat | !b-e Empty |
| 21:36.03 | dpkg | Empty: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 21:36.04 | stego | apt-get says it will remove package 'kde', but dpkg -L kde returns a README/changelog/copyright. What is the purpose of this package? |
| 21:36.08 | greycat | !faq Empty |
| 21:36.08 | dpkg | Empty: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:36.21 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good linux security books ? |
| 21:36.41 | Toastie | greycat: well, that's great news to someone looking for a Linux box |
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| 21:37.09 | ren0 | Has anybody here ever tried the progeny installer? |
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| 21:37.30 | adjacent | greycat: is that for me? |
| 21:38.07 | veleno | in .xinitrc i have gnome-session, when i do a startx, i got an empty display, with only a background img, and behind the mouse cursor there's a fixed X cursor...any help ? |
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| 21:38.26 | nostromo^ | Is there some command that dumps the ELF header easily? |
| 21:38.37 | Toastie | nostromo^: objdump -x |
| 21:38.37 | greycat | nostromo^: you may find nm(1) and objdump(1) useful |
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| 21:38.55 | greycat | veleno: do you have .xsession? |
| 21:38.58 | nostromo^ | Thanks guys |
| 21:39.25 | veleno | greycat i only have a .xsession-errors |
| 21:39.33 | billy | hello folks (sid, 2.6.7 trying upgrade to 2.6.8 ) how do you over come the following error " add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed...module sata_sil not found"? thks |
| 21:39.43 | Toastie | Anyone here compared Western Digital and Samsung recent HDDs when it comes to idle-time noise? |
| 21:40.11 | greycat | veleno: anything useful in it? |
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| 21:41.38 | veleno | greycat here is the content: WM=kde3;cp /dev/null /home/veleno/.kde-errors; chmod 600 /home/veleno/.kde-errors; exec; does it help ? |
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| 21:42.17 | fooz | it's funny how you can tell RAtM just by the rhyme, even if you don't know they wrote the words |
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| 21:43.09 | t-dub | uh oh |
| 21:43.12 | PerfDave | fooz: "Fuck you, I won't tidy my bedroom" |
| 21:43.21 | fooz | hehe |
| 21:43.31 | t-dub | ratm = chris cornell |
| 21:43.34 | t-dub | :P |
| 21:43.39 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:47.03 | SmellyCat | sudo's got me stumped. I can't figure out why it wont prompt for a password, I've tried using PASSWD flag and timestamp_timeout=0 any suggestions? |
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| 21:47.34 | fooz | SmellyCat, run sudo -K |
| 21:47.37 | fooz | SmellyCat, then it should |
| 21:47.50 | SmellyCat | tried that still doesn't prompt |
| 21:47.52 | fooz | SmellyCat, as long as you don't have NOPASSWD in sudoers |
| 21:48.01 | SmellyCat | nope |
| 21:48.07 | fooz | i dunno then |
| 21:48.08 | goron | What are the semantics of startx -- :L It does start an xserver, but nowhere near stable. |
| 21:48.21 | SmellyCat | its odd |
| 21:48.25 | veleno | what .xsession should have more than: exec gnome-session? when i do a startx, i got nothing, X starts, and go back to the shell immediatly |
| 21:48.30 | stego | Is there a way to get the details of a pckage without installing it? Similar to dpkg -p ? |
| 21:48.44 | SmellyCat | apt-cache show "package name" |
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| 21:48.51 | stego | Thanks SmellyCat |
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| 21:51.25 | fang11 | can someone help me with this error i get when trying to load desktop |
| 21:51.59 | doublehp | fang11: wwhich error ? |
| 21:52.17 | fang11 | usr/bin/X11/X : /lib/libc.so.6 'version' Glibc_2.3 |
| 21:52.24 | doublehp | fang11: hont ask to ask, ASK ! dont spread messages over 2 lines ... try to make only one |
| 21:52.26 | fang11 | it says its missing |
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| 21:54.03 | fang11 | so any one know how to fix that? |
| 21:54.09 | doublehp | fang11: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ; apt-get --reinstall install libc6 |
| 21:54.15 | spire | I try to play a CD with the gnome cd-player but there is no sound. However I can play mp3 from xmms just fine. Any ideas? |
| 21:54.35 | spire | I have indeed turned up for the cd volume with gnome-alsamixer |
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| 21:54.47 | ali7288 | hey, i am having a problem with my sound. when i play a game, the sound is always a bit late does anyone know why? |
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| 21:55.22 | doublehp | ali7288: you must have arts or esd ... try killing those daemons before launching the game |
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| 21:56.15 | doublehp | spire: you must have a desktop ... does it work under Windows ? I dont think so ... open your box, you are missing a wire between the CD player and your sound card. |
| 21:56.16 | ali7288 | how do i kill those daemons? |
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| 21:56.51 | spire | It is a laptop so it should work... |
| 21:56.53 | Xaqueth | ali7288, ps aux | grep artsd |
| 21:56.56 | FieldySnuts | heh. logged outta my vnc session, and I see this, I smell overflows: 14/02/05 16:56:26 raw bytes equivalent -1377409472, compression ratio -13.651505 |
| 21:57.16 | doublehp | ali7288: killall esd or killall arts - but it may be useless , cause some other daemon may reload them at once ... try that first; if it doesnt work , then track what reload them ( or what loaded them first ) |
| 21:57.16 | schneiderj | I am very new to debian... can I ask some questions ? |
| 21:57.31 | njan | schildt, don't ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 21:57.36 | grivell | spire: alsamixer, etc. Turn cd volume up, unmute, whatever. |
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| 21:57.40 | doublehp | spire: ok ... them open your mixer application ... |
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| 21:57.44 | njan | s/schildt/schneiderj/ |
| 21:57.50 | doublehp | spire: there is a lpecial volume bar for the CD |
| 21:57.59 | grivell | schneiderj: Of course. |
| 21:58.07 | doublehp | schneiderj: read the topic first |
| 21:58.08 | spire | been there done that - but turning up the CD volumne doesn?t help. :-( |
| 21:58.15 | doublehp | schneiderj: dont ask to ask, ASK ! |
| 21:58.18 | slackd00d | spire: do "amixer set Master 100 unmute" and "amixer set PCM 100 unmute" |
| 21:58.32 | slackd00d | and CD |
| 21:58.48 | doublehp | spire: indendently of the volume, there in a mutt tick .... |
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| 21:58.55 | grivell | slackd00d: PCM is ok with him, he plays mp3s :) |
| 21:59.03 | slackd00d | oh, heh didnt see that |
| 21:59.12 | slackd00d | amixer set CD 100 unmute |
| 21:59.16 | slackd00d | that might help |
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| 21:59.59 | cthulfuego | Crudcrudcrud. |
| 22:00.21 | schneiderj | I have just download the leatest release of debian and install it. I want to launch the X-server, but the video card is not found (ATI radeon 9600). My XFree86 is from 2001. What I am doing wrong ? |
| 22:00.47 | grivell | schneiderj: Sarge or Woody? (stable or testing) |
| 22:00.59 | schneiderj | woody |
| 22:01.09 | doublehp | schneiderj: lspci ; modprobe agpgart |
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| 22:01.36 | grivell | Woody has no 9600 support. Maybe FBdev can be used. |
| 22:01.40 | saerdna | whats the purpose of /opt/ ? |
| 22:01.44 | schneiderj | doubleehp: can you more explicite ? |
| 22:01.49 | grivell | I recommend using Sarge (testing) |
| 22:02.14 | chealer | !tell schneiderj about d-i |
| 22:02.16 | grivell | saerdna: /opt has no purpose on a real Debian system ;) |
| 22:02.26 | veleno | can anyone using gnome tell me what is the content of .xsession ? |
| 22:02.28 | ali7288 | doublehp: neither of those daemons are loaded |
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| 22:02.42 | grivell | mwilson: Java? bah |
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| 22:02.55 | saerdna | grivell: why? define real debian system |
| 22:03.08 | streuner__ | veleno: exec gnome-session, blah &, blah &? |
| 22:03.20 | grivell | saerdna: I mean a free Debian system. You can put 3rd party crap their. |
| 22:03.23 | schneiderj | And what is the way to add the support to the Radeon on the Woody distribution ? |
| 22:03.44 | stew | grivell: where would you put a non-debianized jre? |
| 22:03.53 | grivell | schneiderj: Try searching for Radeon 9600 fbdev |
| 22:04.02 | saerdna | grivell: thats what im doing:;) freeware of course |
| 22:04.08 | grivell | stew: /opt. |
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| 22:04.38 | Occulis | Aaaaaaaiiieeee |
| 22:04.39 | stew | saerdna: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 22:04.43 | grivell | saerdna: of course ;) |
| 22:05.24 | grivell | stew: I don't use Java. But if I did, I'd run MacOnLinux to use it :) |
| 22:05.54 | stew | grivell: yeah, i gotcha, i took your "java? bah" comment to mean that java wasn't a good candidate for /opt |
| 22:06.13 | filem0n | ya le preguntare por que esa limitacion |
| 22:06.22 | filem0n | ups, sorry |
| 22:06.30 | grivell | stew: Nah, just not a good candidate for my system. !start a java flamewar |
| 22:06.33 | grivell | :) |
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| 22:08.55 | Senkzer0 | hi |
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| 22:09.18 | saerdna | tortuga |
| 22:09.31 | Senkzer0 | hola |
| 22:09.35 | Senkzer0 | algun español??? |
| 22:09.53 | chealer | !es |
| 22:09.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:10.10 | Senkzer0 | ok |
| 22:10.10 | Senkzer0 | thanks |
| 22:10.53 | Senkzer0 | aggg, debian-es is full |
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| 22:11.13 | Senkzer0 | ok, i can speak in english, i believe |
| 22:11.14 | Senkzer0 | XD |
| 22:11.35 | Senkzer0 | can you say me how to open a nvidia driver???? |
| 22:11.45 | Senkzer0 | the extension is .run |
| 22:11.48 | Senkzer0 | ??? |
| 22:11.50 | chealer | !tell Senkzer0 about nvidia-howto |
| 22:11.56 | chealer | !tell Senkzer0 about nvidia-installer |
| 22:11.57 | ledet | how do i change "levels" in dpkg... so that it asks me questions that are critical, high, low, or whatever? i need to reconfigure some package... but which? |
| 22:12.13 | FUF | ledet: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 22:12.18 | chealer | Senkzer0: don't use what you download from nvidia.com, use the debian packages |
| 22:12.23 | ledet | FUF: ah... thank you |
| 22:12.42 | chealer | Senkzer0: there's a Debian-nVidia howto that tells you how |
| 22:12.45 | Senkzer0 | ok, where can i get those packpages???? |
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| 22:13.14 | Senkzer0 | the problem is im spanish, but i can understand medium english |
| 22:13.16 | chealer | Senkzer0: ask the channel bot : /msg dpkg nvidia-howto or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 22:13.24 | FUF | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
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| 22:14.07 | chealer | Senkzer0: all the doc is in english. for help in spanish, use #debian-es or spanish mailing lists. but you'd better try to understand the howto first |
| 22:14.23 | Senkzer0 | ok, no problem |
| 22:14.41 | Senkzer0 | i can understand it, or look up in dictionary, no problem |
| 22:15.05 | Senkzer0 | the problem is i'm new in linux |
| 22:15.08 | FUF | Senkzer0: you might also be able to try translators like google language tools etc. |
| 22:15.08 | Senkzer0 | lo |
| 22:15.10 | Senkzer0 | lol |
| 22:15.11 | Senkzer0 | XD |
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| 22:15.55 | Senkzer0 | ok translators is another option |
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| 22:17.26 | Senkzer0 | thanks for the help |
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| 22:19.27 | Senkzer0 | debian-es is really full |
| 22:19.31 | Senkzer0 | agrrrrr |
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| 22:19.49 | Senkzer0 | is hard to install the nvidia drivers???? |
| 22:19.55 | zinx | no |
| 22:20.18 | chealer | Senkzer0: it takes some time |
| 22:20.18 | zinx | apt-cache search nvidia |
| 22:20.28 | Senkzer0 | ok |
| 22:20.47 | steele | you have to compile the commercial ones |
| 22:20.54 | Senkzer0 | ok |
| 22:21.24 | chealer | zinx: I don't think that will help him much... |
| 22:21.29 | Senkzer0 | but am i going any packpage to compile it???? |
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| 22:21.58 | steele | kernel-headers |
| 22:22.15 | chealer | Senkzer0: do you have a stock kernel or a custom one? |
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| 22:22.39 | Senkzer0 | i dont understand |
| 22:22.42 | Senkzer0 | :( |
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| 22:23.02 | chealer | Senkzer0: it should not be hard. try to follow the howto |
| 22:23.03 | steele | the script will tell you what you need iirc |
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| 22:23.17 | zinx | chealer: why not? |
| 22:23.29 | zinx | chealer: there are pre-built kernel modules |
| 22:23.29 | Senkzer0 | ok |
| 22:23.32 | steele | just use the nv package first |
| 22:23.33 | Senkzer0 | thanks |
| 22:23.37 | Senkzer0 | bye |
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| 22:25.28 | CosmoDad | does anyone know a xmms plugin that adds something like a "play audio cd" button? I hate to cd to /mnt/cdrom when I want to play an audio cd with XMMS... |
| 22:25.39 | spire | I've just found out that xine CAN play CDs but neither grip or gnome-cd-player can (they produce only silence). The alsamixer is indeed turned up, so theese two programs must have something in common. Why can't I play CDs in these? |
| 22:25.58 | chealer | zinx: I didn't realize there were 2.6 modules yet :) |
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| 22:26.46 | saerdna | hum I managed to apt-get remove mozilla-browser and epiphany on my laptop but i cant manage to do it on my worksation because it wants to uninstall the whole gnomesystem |
| 22:26.50 | saerdna | any tips? |
| 22:27.12 | zinx | don't remove it |
| 22:27.24 | Xemacs_ | saerdna, you need somthing that supplies x-www-browser |
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| 22:27.32 | jegc | saerdna, use mozilla-firefox |
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| 22:27.46 | Xemacs_ | saerdna, dillo is probably smallest |
| 22:27.59 | saerdna | jegc: no shit |
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| 22:29.22 | kawaiikune | hey, does anyone know anything about ndiswrapper? |
| 22:29.43 | saerdna | Xemacs_: dillo? |
| 22:29.51 | kawaiikune | actually, if anyone knew anything about lspci that might actually be more helpful.... |
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| 22:30.07 | LucasKnapp | alguem aqui fala portugues? |
| 22:30.08 | LucasKnapp | =] |
| 22:30.14 | cthulfuego | What is there to know about lspci? |
| 22:30.15 | Covener | kawaiikune: Maybe asking an actual question would payoff better |
| 22:30.19 | cthulfuego | !portuguese |
| 22:30.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:30.24 | Xemacs_ | saerdna, dillo is a small graphical web browser |
| 22:30.25 | CrazyFoam | kawaiikune: i use ndiswrapper, spent a few hours rebuilding it while sitting in an airport terminal a few months ago |
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| 22:30.41 | LucasKnapp | !portuguese |
| 22:30.41 | dpkg | it has been said that portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 22:30.50 | cthulfuego | !lart LucasKnapp |
| 22:30.52 | penguin | Sarge Gnome beeps on startup. |
| 22:31.00 | kawaiikune | good thought, i'm basically trying to set up ndiswrapper, and i ran lspci -n and i'm trying to figure out which windows driver i need to download in order to use it with ndiswrapper |
| 22:31.04 | beardy | CosmoDad: Ctrl-L (I think, look in the menu "Load url", type "/dev/cdrom", or whatever your cdplayer device is. That way, you don't have to wander the directory tree at least. |
| 22:31.09 | LucasKnapp | ai ai |
| 22:31.10 | cthulfuego | LucasKnapp: nao falo portuguese, /join #debian-br. |
| 22:31.15 | drp | off topic: anyone know of a good place to ask/discuss underlying principles of networking |
| 22:31.29 | LucasKnapp | hehe |
| 22:31.44 | steele | is it an atheros? |
| 22:31.46 | penguin | Good networking newsgroup |
| 22:31.49 | LucasKnapp | [cthulfuego]: thanks =] |
| 22:31.49 | CrazyFoam | kawaiikune: paste your lspci in #flood |
| 22:31.51 | saerdna | its crazy, i just apt-get removed mozilla-browser yesterday but today it suddenly depends on gnome-desktop system |
| 22:31.57 | penguin | comp.linux.network |
| 22:32.10 | DistroTalkAdmin | hello |
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| 22:32.26 | drp | penguin, looking for something a little more interactive like an irc channel |
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| 22:32.40 | cuse | Which package includes the console locales? |
| 22:32.45 | cthulfuego | saerdna: galeon does, which uses the mozilla engine. |
| 22:32.48 | penguin | Should Gnome beep on startup? |
| 22:33.01 | zOap | Hey people. I need some help. I had some problems with alsa, so I removed it and installed it again, that'd worked before. But now alsaconf can't find the modules. I tried to install them but got message that it referred to alsa-base, which I have installed. Any ideas what to do? |
| 22:33.15 | zOap | penguin, what beep, when? |
| 22:33.17 | jjazz | I'm looking for a page layout application like Pagemaker, one that can do mail merge. Any recommendations? |
| 22:33.23 | beardy | cuse: locales? |
| 22:33.24 | saerdna | cthulfuego: it didnt yesterday on the laptop, strange |
| 22:33.34 | penguin | Right after login it goes beep. |
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| 22:33.43 | penguin | Sounds like error beep |
| 22:33.44 | zOap | penguin, Not to me. |
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| 22:33.55 | cthulfuego | jjazz: You can easily do mail merges in openoffice.org. Not page layout, though. |
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| 22:34.28 | cthulfuego | jjazz: For paye layout, use Scribus. |
| 22:34.31 | jjazz | cthulfuego: Unfortunately, I need to merge the data into a form that is beyong OO.o's layout capabilities. |
| 22:34.39 | jjazz | cthulfuego: Thanks. |
| 22:34.56 | cuse | beardy: ah, really that obvious ;) Thanks! |
| 22:35.00 | cthulfuego | jjazz: Use scribus to create a PS or PDF with empty spaces you can amrge the data into using a script. |
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| 22:35.23 | cthulfuego | Coz scribus doesn't do merges. OR editing. Just layout. |
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| 22:35.40 | saerdna | there must be some way to just apt-get remove the package i want to remove and make it dont care about the dependencies? |
| 22:35.47 | jjazz | cthulfuego: That sounds like exactly what I want. What PERL bits do I need to stick data into a pdf form? |
| 22:35.55 | cthulfuego | saerdna: Why do you think it has depends? |
| 22:36.02 | cthulfuego | jjazz: Good question :-) |
| 22:36.08 | penguin | You can force removal with dselect |
| 22:36.09 | jjazz | cthulfuego: :P |
| 22:36.15 | a_monkey | if i want to use an ubuntu package, i first add `deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main' to /etc/apt/sources.list. then how do i pin debian packages at a higher priority? |
| 22:36.18 | penguin | But that can be really dangerous |
| 22:36.23 | saerdna | cthulfuego: because it wants to remove other packages than i select for removal |
| 22:36.26 | cthulfuego | libtext-pdf-perl maybe. |
| 22:36.48 | jjazz | saerdna: Those other packages won't work once you've removed the one you're trying to get rid of. |
| 22:36.51 | cthulfuego | saerdna: Yes. That's because they depend on what you want to remove. So your problem is that you're trying to remove something you _need_. |
| 22:36.56 | jjazz | saerdna: That's kinda the whole point of dependence |
| 22:37.33 | penguin | One time I dselected my whole system. |
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| 22:37.45 | saerdna | jjazz: no thats not true. as i said i run apt-get remove mozilla-browser yesterday on the laptop and it removed mozilla and epiphany but on my workstation it wants to remove the whole gnome system |
| 22:37.46 | jjazz | penguin: What happened? |
| 22:37.56 | saerdna | cthulfuego: same goes for you |
| 22:38.28 | cthulfuego | saerdna: So there is a depend in there that you shouldn't remove. |
| 22:38.30 | penguin | I hit control c in time to have a complete mess |
| 22:38.36 | cthulfuego | saerdna: Sheesh. Just leave mozilla. |
| 22:38.47 | saerdna | cthulfuego: no, i only want firefox! |
| 22:38.48 | jjazz | saerdna: That's weird. But I assure you those things do depend. That's the whole point of the package system. |
| 22:38.55 | CosmoDad | beardy: thx but I was looking for something where you don't have to type -- this is a WAF matter... |
| 22:39.09 | cthulfuego | saerdna: So install firefox. it's probably only trying to remove gnome due to a depend on www-browser or something. |
| 22:39.23 | steele | so install firefox first, then remove mozilla |
| 22:39.36 | saerdna | at least, tell me how i can remove the links in the applications menu so ill never notice that mozilla is installed |
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| 22:39.50 | beardy | CosmoDad: WAF? |
| 22:40.05 | CosmoDad | beardy: wife acceptance factor (yeah, I read that today) |
| 22:40.11 | saerdna | thank good i have 900kbyte/s from my apt mirror |
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| 22:40.22 | beardy | CosmoDad: oh :) |
| 22:40.49 | saerdna | steele: that doesnt help |
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| 22:40.59 | saerdna | unless i have to do something more |
| 22:41.13 | zapalotta | hello |
| 22:41.33 | CosmoDad | beardy: I also tried creating a link to /dev/cdrom from her FAT32-based music directory but that didn't work (permission denied) |
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| 22:41.42 | zapalotta | any issues known for apache's default installation and virtual hosts (name based, sarge, apache 1.3) |
| 22:41.43 | zapalotta | ? |
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| 22:41.59 | cthulfuego | CosmoDad: fat32 is shit. it doesn't do symlinks. |
| 22:42.02 | FUF | zapalotta: why? are you experiencing some? :) |
| 22:42.07 | zapalotta | I set up some virtual hosts with config files in /etc/apache/conf.d |
| 22:42.08 | nSe | i'm having some problems in downloading my sarge images, is all that becouse many people are getting them at the same time? |
| 22:42.08 | TMCAWA12G | Debian must die! Linux must be eradicated! Windows must rule supreme! |
| 22:42.13 | cthulfuego | zapalotta: Yeah, no security updates. |
| 22:42.15 | penguin | apache works fine here |
| 22:42.19 | zapalotta | and they work fine but they seem to have issues with subdirs |
| 22:42.36 | zapalotta | e.g. webmail.maibergstrasse.de |
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| 22:42.41 | cthulfuego | !ops TMCAWA12G Trolling moron |
| 22:42.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: TMCAWA12G Trolling moron |
| 22:42.46 | zapalotta | works fine, but the image isn't displayed |
| 22:42.47 | CosmoDad | cthulfuego: in my case, this sucks |
| 22:42.54 | cthulfuego | CosmoDad: yah well. |
| 22:43.00 | zapalotta | because it cannot read the images/ subdir |
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| 22:43.11 | zapalotta | err, it doesn't find it |
| 22:43.17 | cthulfuego | LoRez: cheers :-) |
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| 22:43.26 | zapalotta | though it's there and readable for apache |
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| 22:43.35 | beardy | CosmoDad: I guess you could write a little script that starts xmms, and starts playing the audio cd, and put an icon linked to it on the desktop? (but not as nice as a button in the program, I know) |
| 22:43.48 | penguin | Sounds like it isnt there and readable for Apache |
| 22:43.54 | zapalotta | FUF, any idea? |
| 22:44.00 | CosmoDad | beardy: not as nice but yet the best approach I could think of so far |
| 22:44.04 | zapalotta | it's the same on another virtual host |
| 22:44.04 | saerdna | hum im runing alsaconf and it finds my emu10k1 card and sound does work but my mixer and microphone doenst |
| 22:44.07 | zapalotta | funny thing is: |
| 22:44.07 | saerdna | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: No soundcards found... |
| 22:44.23 | zapalotta | my virtual host has DocumentRoot /var/foo/foo |
| 22:44.24 | FUF | zapalotta: what do you mean it can't "read" your images subdir? you cant get a directory listing? |
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| 22:44.51 | zapalotta | FUF, nope, that would be ok, images from that dir aren't displayed |
| 22:44.51 | cthulfuego | zapalotta: have you looked at the apache error.log ? |
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| 22:45.00 | otje | is there an easy way of giving new shell users only a VERY restricted account? |
| 22:45.12 | cthulfuego | otje: No. |
| 22:45.15 | FUF | zapalotta: did you check the apache errorlog? |
| 22:45.18 | zapalotta | FUF, and if I get to that dir via http I get "Not found" instead of "listing denied" |
| 22:45.27 | tictac | otje: chroot not work for you? |
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| 22:45.31 | penguin | What kind of restricted account? |
| 22:45.31 | otje | cthulfuego okay I should have left out 'easy' |
| 22:45.34 | otje | :] |
| 22:45.39 | cthulfuego | otje: Well, short of plonking 'exit' in their .$SHELLrc file it's not easy. |
| 22:45.39 | tictac | rbash? |
| 22:45.44 | jjazz | cthulfuego: Ugh... scribus seems a little complimicated... I think I'm going to with latex. Thanks for the suggestion though. |
| 22:45.48 | otje | well not be able to read all kind of /etc /log files which are world-readable |
| 22:45.51 | otje | for something |
| 22:45.58 | penguin | Y? |
| 22:45.58 | cthulfuego | jjazz: complicated? It's dead-easy |
| 22:46.00 | FUF | zapalotta: /msg me |
| 22:46.10 | cthulfuego | otje: You could chroot 'em. |
| 22:46.16 | penguin | Everything secure is not world readable |
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| 22:46.34 | jjazz | cthulfuego: Not the scribus part, the filling the form part. I don't feel like learning new perl packages tonight. |
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| 22:46.40 | otje | well apache config files are |
| 22:46.43 | cthulfuego | jjazz: <heh> |
| 22:46.48 | otje | cthulfuego: okay, didn't know that, will have a look on that |
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| 22:47.21 | njan | otje, check the permissions on your server and look into chrooted shells. |
| 22:47.35 | njan | otje, but basically, shells are inherently dangerous. |
| 22:48.06 | penguin | And what is problem with apache config files being world readable? |
| 22:48.07 | otje | okay.. is it possible (in an totally updated system) to escape from a chroot jail ? |
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| 22:48.33 | otje | penguin: well not that much, but it's info i do not want to give to people that don't need the info |
| 22:48.50 | Occulis | penguin: If someone could read the config files, they'd know a lot more about your server and that's usually just creepy, if not dangerous. |
| 22:49.09 | penguin | Should still be secure |
| 22:50.01 | Occulis | what do you gain by having them world readable? |
| 22:50.16 | penguin | What is lost? |
| 22:50.35 | Occulis | potential security |
| 22:50.37 | njan | penguin, nothing. But it's another source of information. |
| 22:50.48 | njan | penguin, would you give the world access to phpinfo(); from one of your servers? |
| 22:50.48 | cthulfuego | otje: The only truly secure system is a box that's off, contreted in and at the bottom of the ocean. |
| 22:51.07 | njan | penguin, I know I wouldn't; but there's nothing technically damaging about the information. I'd just rather not hand it out. |
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| 22:51.32 | penguin | Isnt a fresh debian box secure if no one can get to the actual box? |
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| 22:51.52 | saerdna | penguin: no |
| 22:51.53 | zinx | penguin: depends on the version and what software you've installed |
| 22:51.55 | njan | penguin, no |
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| 22:51.58 | saerdna | grsec and pax |
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| 22:52.02 | penguin | Sarge. |
| 22:52.03 | Phated | <snicker> |
| 22:52.08 | penguin | I think it is secure |
| 22:52.20 | Phated | Something with Apache is hardly a fresh install, anyway. |
| 22:52.21 | mtqh | sarge....if you don't attach it to a network and you can't plug a keyboard into it |
| 22:52.26 | zapalotta | penguin, no box is really secure by default, even not OpenBSD ;-) |
| 22:52.31 | FUF | penguin: if you're up to date on your sarge packages, i'd like to think you *should* be fine :) |
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| 22:52.40 | njan | penguin, if it's fresh up to date, and there are no services listening, other than ssh, it's reasonably secure. It depends what you think a fresh install is I suppose :) |
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| 22:52.51 | njan | FUF, sarge doesn't technically have security updates, does it? |
| 22:52.55 | FUF | not yet |
| 22:52.55 | zapalotta | penguin, because you usually don't know what happens in the background... |
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| 22:53.01 | mtqh | penguin: it depends on how smart your sys admin running it is |
| 22:53.05 | penguin | telnet isnt working on a fresh install |
| 22:53.05 | mtqh | do they lock down the holes |
| 22:53.05 | njan | FUF, it's down to package maintainers.. who much as I appreciate their work, aren't the security team. |
| 22:53.12 | FUF | njan: its whats holding sarge release for now.. |
| 22:53.15 | mtqh | the real question is: Is anything secure? |
| 22:53.16 | Senkzer0 | hi |
| 22:53.29 | FUF | njan: very valid point :) |
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| 22:53.54 | penguin | So is Woody more secure than Sarge? |
| 22:54.10 | mtqh | yes |
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| 22:54.37 | njan | penguin, I'd say yes. |
| 22:54.42 | grivell | penguin: No. Sarge is more secure if you unplug it from network ;) |
| 22:54.51 | penguin | Sarge is more stable |
| 22:54.57 | njan | grivell, I think ceteris paribus was assumed there :p |
| 22:55.02 | njan | penguin, no it isn't. Woody is, by definition. |
| 22:55.18 | penguin | Well Sarge works better |
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| 22:55.25 | njan | it has newer packages. |
| 22:55.25 | nSe | i'm having some problems in downloading my sarge images, is it all that becouse many people are getting them at the same time? |
| 22:55.35 | Phated | When you have newer hardware and stuff, yeah. |
| 22:55.37 | njan | but like I said, it doesn't have security updates from the security team. |
| 22:56.09 | njan | Phated makes a good point - obviously if you have very new hardware woody won't support it / have decent drivers for it. Under that circumstance, sarge is stabler |
| 22:56.19 | Guerin | no |
| 22:56.24 | Guerin | sarge is never stabler than woody |
| 22:56.27 | penguin | Gnome works better with Sarge |
| 22:56.33 | njan | But you have to compare them both bearing the hardware they were designed on.. woody is *old*, and doesn't work with newer hardware |
| 22:56.35 | stew | !dict stabler |
| 22:56.38 | dpkg | could not find definition for stabler |
| 22:56.43 | Guerin | it might have newer software, and newer hardware support... |
| 22:56.46 | Guerin | !meaning of stable |
| 22:56.46 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. |
| 22:56.47 | njan | Guerin, not necessarily. If you have very new hardware, woody might be unpredictable on it. |
| 22:56.49 | Phated | Sarge isn't STABLER, it just has better hardware siupport for new er stuff. |
| 22:56.56 | Guerin | njan: see above |
| 22:57.05 | njan | Guerin, see Oxford English Dictionary. |
| 22:57.14 | Phated | njan: If you have very new hardware, woody won't run at all. That's predictable enough. |
| 22:57.14 | Guerin | njan: you're not in oxford now, toto. |
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| 22:57.18 | stew | njan: see debian.org/docs |
| 22:57.18 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 22:57.30 | njan | Guerin, when I'm talking about the stability of an operating system it is, I'm talking about how stable it is according to the meaning of the word in the english language, not the meaning of the word according to package maintainers. |
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| 22:57.41 | Guerin | oh jesus, not this stupid argument again |
| 22:57.44 | njan | Guerin, if you start arbitrarily rewriting words for universal usage you render them useless for use in conversation :p |
| 22:57.47 | Rawplayer | is it possible change the language in debian? my friend has installed it with dutch language instead of english |
| 22:57.48 | njan | Guerin, you started it it. |
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| 22:57.56 | njan | Guerin, if you didn't want it, you shouldn't have made the silly point. |
| 22:58.00 | multi_io | hasn't the nvidia driver "unknow symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE" problem been patched in the latest debian kernel? |
| 22:58.02 | penguin | Stable like Windows blue screen of death is not stable |
| 22:58.04 | cthulfuego | Rawplayer: En wat is er mis met nederlands? |
| 22:58.06 | Guerin | njan: wow, you can type fast |
| 22:58.08 | michal_ | does anyone know if there ius anything similar to vmware for linux that is free? and when i mean similar to vmware I mean that you can install arbitrary linux distributions (i don't care about windows) directly from cd images |
| 22:58.10 | njan | Guerin, 120wpm |
| 22:58.14 | Guerin | jesus |
| 22:58.35 | steele | michal: qemu |
| 22:58.37 | grivell | Man, I think I'm still replying to something 2 pages up ;) |
| 22:58.42 | Guerin | I suppose you ask where the bathroom is when you want to take a piss in england, too... |
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| 22:58.59 | njan | Guerin, wouldn't know, I live in Scotland :) |
| 22:59.00 | MoonDoggie | england is a bathroom |
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| 22:59.12 | Rawplayer | cthulfuego: other language installations are ugly |
| 22:59.16 | stew | njan: a. Resistant to change of position or condition; not easily moved or disturbed: |
| 22:59.18 | Rawplayer | it should be english |
| 22:59.18 | Guerin | njan: ok, s/bathroom/toilet/ and s/england/USA/ |
| 22:59.24 | cthulfuego | Rawplayer: Why? |
| 22:59.43 | cthulfuego | Rawplayer: Wtf use english if you prefer to use something else? |
| 23:00.03 | Rawplayer | how can i change into english |
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| 23:00.17 | njan | stew, condition I would take to mean the operating condition of the system, so I can, and will, argue that according to that definition stable can be taken to mean the operating condition of the system - and by extension how happily a set of drivers perform given the set of hardware they're running on. |
| 23:00.21 | cthulfuego | Yes, england would be a loo, not a BATHROOM. |
| 23:00.22 | michal_ | anyone have any experiences with qemu? |
| 23:00.41 | njan | stew, operating system stability is a term which people have been using since long before debian stable came along :) |
| 23:00.42 | Guerin | michal_: i booted a win2k install cd in it once |
| 23:00.43 | cthulfuego | Rawplayer: dpkg-reconfigure lcoales. Set whatever you prefer. (yes, each user can have their own preference) |
| 23:00.46 | steele | yes, that's why I pointed you to it |
| 23:00.59 | Blissex | michal_: at the very least its author would have experience with qemu... |
| 23:01.06 | steele | I used in on 5 distros and all flavors of win |
| 23:01.09 | grivell | lol. "#debian, now we pick on languages too" |
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| 23:01.54 | steele | you need hefty hardware to make it speedy |
| 23:02.00 | Blissex | grivell: it is a slightly sarcastic way to remind people that they should ask technical questions, not polls... |
| 23:02.00 | michal_ | i'm more interested whether it's practical to install debian inside qemu and run it as a mail server.. alongside other similar installations |
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| 23:02.13 | steele | um, I wouldn't |
| 23:02.20 | Guerin | njan: the point, and it is a valid one, is that in debian, stable means something more specific than it does to most people. Outside the context of debian's distributions, use it how you like, but within that context, you ought to use it as intended. |
| 23:02.26 | steele | I'd make a P2-266 mail server first |
| 23:02.27 | Guerin | njan: cf 'free' |
| 23:02.48 | Guerin | michal_: why on earth? |
| 23:02.53 | Blissex | michal_: consider CoLinux for MS Windows and Xen for Linux. |
| 23:03.19 | njan | Guerin, good point; but in this context, the user was asking for advice as to the stability of the operating system, which in this case was debian. Using the term stable in the debian sense would have led to the conversation being confusing. |
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| 23:03.29 | michal_ | xen? the one in debian is 1.x .. i think i sawe something about 2.x being released on some news site recently |
| 23:03.33 | grivell | michal_: Wouldn't uml be ok for that? |
| 23:03.35 | simonrvn | !greenhouse |
| 23:03.35 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 23:03.57 | Guerin | njan: the correct thing to do would have been to explain the distinction. |
| 23:04.04 | Guerin | simonrvn: awww |
| 23:04.10 | njan | Guerin, Free software advocates have to refer to things which are libre (as in beer) without resorting to waffling every now and then - as with the use of the word 'free' when being given something at a convention, the word stable can be used contextually, and as should have been evident here, it wasn't being used in the debian sense. |
| 23:04.16 | Guerin | don't get me started on greenhouse gases |
| 23:04.18 | michal_ | uml is great but you can't just "install" into it from iso images |
| 23:04.26 | njan | Guerin, there wasn't any point, we both knew what we were talking about; someone else then leapt in to score a point by being 'correct'. |
| 23:04.29 | cthulfuego | Guerin: ... or Gentoo. |
| 23:04.44 | jcuk | jesus christ.. jaffa cakes are so damn good. |
| 23:04.57 | njan | Guerin, which, unfortunately, happens on freenode a lot. People don't talk because they have something to say, they talk because they have to say something. |
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| 23:05.17 | Guerin | njan: naw, it's not about scoring points; it's about encouraging people to think about the meanings of the words they say, in the context in which they say them. |
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| 23:05.31 | cthulfuego | njan: Um, I can HEAR YOU, if you don't mind :-P |
| 23:05.46 | njan | Guerin, in general, I agree. Again, contextually, I don't think in this conversation that's the spirit in which this was brought up. But we basically agree, so it isn't really worth debating any further in a public channel :) |
| 23:05.50 | Guerin | cthulfuego: at least gentoo doesn't mean you get massive sunburn from an hour on the beach. |
| 23:05.58 | Guerin | njan: fair play. |
| 23:06.07 | njan | cthulfuego, uh.. your point? |
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| 23:06.13 | FireGL | just installed debian on vmware. if i had another box id do it on it but i dont so im just being safe untill i get used to it so ill be here quite a bit over the next few weeks if i can drag myself away from my schoolwork hahah |
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| 23:06.14 | cthulfuego | Guerin: No? freon cooling? (Using more power to keep the system cool?) |
| 23:06.27 | Guerin | cthulfuego: people do that? |
| 23:06.32 | njan | Guerin, although I'm happy debate it somewhere else if you want. I think it's probably wasting peoples' screenspace in here though :) |
| 23:06.35 | Guerin | freon cooling, I mean |
| 23:06.39 | cthulfuego | Guerin: I would be highly suprised if they didn't. |
| 23:06.52 | Guerin | njan: I've had this argument a dozen times; at least you're more sensible than most :) |
| 23:07.08 | cthulfuego | Guerin: People glue plastic shit to their cars to make it look faster. Freon coolling isn't nearly as retarded ;-) |
| 23:07.14 | Toastie | Is Prism54 the only native-supported wireless chipset? |
| 23:07.38 | cthulfuego | Toastie: 802.11g yes, pretty much. |
| 23:07.58 | Toastie | And SMC's is the only PCI one supported? |
| 23:08.19 | cthulfuego | Toastie: Dunno. |
| 23:08.27 | stew | Toastie: http://seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/ClientAdapters_2f802_2e11g |
| 23:08.31 | Toastie | cthulfuego: so the table says... |
| 23:08.35 | njan | Guerin, ditto :) |
| 23:08.46 | FireGL | 802.11g is wifi, right? |
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| 23:09.07 | cthulfuego | FireGL: no. |
| 23:09.08 | Guerin | i think my next project is going to be a pvr box which transmits via a rf transmitter |
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| 23:09.10 | grivell | FireGL: yep |
| 23:09.14 | FireGL | ... |
| 23:09.15 | Guerin | my mate set one up, and it owns |
| 23:09.16 | cthulfuego | FireGL: 802.11b is wifi. |
| 23:09.26 | pattieja | anybody know if samba under Debian is compiled with ACL support? |
| 23:09.31 | FireGL | so whats 802.11g? |
| 23:09.33 | grivell | cthulfuego: so 802.11g is hifi ? :-P |
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| 23:09.39 | FireGL | lol |
| 23:09.47 | Guerin | unfortunately he built the rf from scratch, and it broadcasts on illegal frequencies :( |
| 23:09.55 | streuner__ | pattieja: get the debian/control file and find out |
| 23:10.01 | cthulfuego | FireGL: Whatever they called it, dunno. WiFi is specifically the 'b' variety. |
| 23:10.10 | FireGL | k |
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| 23:10.29 | cthulfuego | WiMax or whatever leetspeak |
| 23:10.49 | FireGL | so anyway... Ive heard a about wifi but i havent heard much. i just know its good and its fast and its wireless lol. Anyone know if you need a certain provider in your own country for it or what? |
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| 23:11.18 | Toastie | cthulfuego: what's about MadWiFi? |
| 23:11.21 | cthulfuego | FireGL: 'fast' is relative. it's only 11Mb/sec half duplex. |
| 23:11.34 | FireGL | holy shit |
| 23:11.37 | cthulfuego | Toastie: That's a (crap) driver for certain 802.11g cards. |
| 23:11.38 | njan | FireGL is a networking technology just like the wired networks most geeks have in their homes |
| 23:11.48 | njan | FireGL, *Wifi is.. |
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| 23:11.52 | ali7288 | hey, when i play unreal tournament the sound skips. has anybody else had this problem or know how to fix it? |
| 23:11.53 | Guerin | FireGL: it's not internet service, per se - it's a lan technology |
| 23:11.53 | FireGL | thats more than 7 times faster than my home cable connection |
| 23:12.05 | Toastie | cthulfuego: "crap"? Unstable or what? |
| 23:12.09 | steele | wimax 802.16 |
| 23:12.10 | njan | FireGL, you can install it in your home to share your cable connection between multiple computers in the same way you can run a wired local area network. |
| 23:12.11 | Guerin | FireGL: but your ethernet cable is probably 100mbit full duplex... |
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| 23:12.13 | FireGL | ohhhh |
| 23:12.14 | cthulfuego | FireGL: That that 11Mb is MAXIMUM. Over more distance it drops back to 8, 2, 1 and even slower speeds. |
| 23:12.17 | michal_ | are there xen packages for 2.x ? |
| 23:12.17 | grivell | dpkg, FireGL is a networking technology just like the wired networks most geeks have in their homes |
| 23:12.17 | dpkg | ...but firegl is already something else... |
| 23:12.23 | grivell | doh :) |
| 23:12.27 | michal_ | or rather are there xen 2.x debian packages |
| 23:12.48 | FireGL | wait a second |
| 23:12.54 | Guerin | !tell michal_ about search |
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| 23:13.00 | FireGL | DONT go on about my nick ok. its an ATi Technology for graphics |
| 23:13.07 | Guerin | ... |
| 23:13.11 | ali7288 | (18:13:53) ali7288: hey, when i play unreal tournament the sound skips. has anybody else had this problem or know how to fix it? |
| 23:13.38 | FireGL | but im talking about WiFi. Isnt there a way to get fast internet as wireless. e.g. to laptops etc? |
| 23:13.39 | michal_ | guerin: that doesn't really help me. i KNOW they're not part of debian.. if they exist at all is what I am asking |
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| 23:13.51 | MoonDoggie | ali7288 (18:13:53) ali7288: hey, when i play unreal tournament the sound skips. has anybody else had this problem or know how to fix it? |
| 23:13.51 | Guerin | !tell michal about fgi |
| 23:13.58 | FireGL | or is that what 802.11g is |
| 23:14.09 | ali7288 | MoonDoggie: ? |
| 23:14.12 | njan | FireGL, 11g is 54mbit |
| 23:14.19 | ali7288 | MoonDoggie: having the same problem? |
| 23:14.25 | njan | FireGL, 108mbit with proprietary (read: non-standard) extensions |
| 23:14.25 | ali7288 | MoonDoggie: or just wanted to repeat what i said? |
| 23:14.27 | michal_ | fgi? |
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| 23:14.30 | cthulfuego | FireGL: .11g is 54Mbit, still no match for 100Mbit full duplex. |
| 23:14.51 | njan | <3 gigabit ethernet :) |
| 23:15.08 | FireGL | whats the distance on wifi then? at its slowest speeds.. |
| 23:15.14 | Guerin | i've spent a week and a half with 56k |
| 23:15.17 | Guerin | and it HURTS |
| 23:15.19 | saerdna | i have gigabit ethernet on my laptop but that doesnt help much because the harddrive is slowass |
| 23:15.30 | Guerin | after coming off 24megabit dsl |
| 23:15.34 | saerdna | mount /dev/hdd1 music/ setuid=1001 setgid=1001 |
| 23:15.38 | saerdna | whats wrong? |
| 23:15.39 | nauticat | hi all. with woody, shouldn't 'dhclient eth0' just bring up the interface, if there's a running dhcp server somewhere? |
| 23:15.40 | pattieja | streuner, what does the control file tell me? |
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| 23:15.47 | Toastie | cthulfuego: just how crap is it? |
| 23:15.51 | Guerin | saerdna: you didn't read man mount |
| 23:15.57 | cthulfuego | FireGL: Depends on what you spend on the AP. A *good* access point can do 100 or so meters, depending on obstructions. A normal home AP maybe 20 meters or so. |
| 23:16.08 | ali7288 | hey, when i play unreal tournament the sound skips. has anybody else had this problem or know how to fix it? |
| 23:16.15 | michal_ | ahh.. lucked upon it i think.. was listed as 1.3 but 2.x seems to be there too |
| 23:16.16 | michal_ | http://www.terrabox.com/debian/binary/ |
| 23:16.23 | FireGL | mmm |
| 23:16.23 | Guerin | !tell ali7288 about repeat |
| 23:16.35 | Guerin | michal_: yay for google! |
| 23:16.35 | saerdna | Guerin: yes i did |
| 23:16.38 | cthulfuego | Toastie: it's fine for normal work and NFS, but I wouldn't want to run an XDM session over it. |
| 23:16.38 | FireGL | so how do you get wireless internet to your laptop :)) |
| 23:16.43 | ali7288 | sorry |
| 23:16.55 | cthulfuego | FireGL: You buy an access point and plug it in to your hub. |
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| 23:17.02 | Toastie | cthulfuego: packet loss? |
| 23:17.03 | michal_ | hasn't been updated for a few months though.. wonder if it's still being maintained |
| 23:17.13 | cthulfuego | Toastie: Nah, latency (and half duplex) |
| 23:17.17 | Guerin | nauticat: yeah, if it's on a network and can request an ip from a dhcp server |
| 23:17.18 | FireGL | isnt that the 3G stuff they use in mobile phones.. cant that be used on laptops? |
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| 23:18.02 | cthulfuego | FireGL: CDMA cards, yes. You need to be near a cell for that to work at a decent speed, or it'll drop back to 56K or slower. You also pay per Mb downloaded and it's NOT cheap. |
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| 23:18.33 | FireGL | mmm |
| 23:18.35 | ervalerio_ | inside gnome i don-t get the keyboard working properly..how can i set them_ |
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| 23:19.04 | FireGL | i always thought there were Wireless ISP's situated around the world with satalites that provided internet to wifi cards rofl |
| 23:19.06 | cthulfuego | That was 384Kbit, $100 per month for 500Mb |
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| 23:19.15 | nauticat | it actually is physically on a network, or what else could be the problem? do i have to add gateways and stuff somewhere? i never tried dhcp before, always did it manually |
| 23:19.39 | cthulfuego | FireGL: No, sattellite internet is on-e-way only. Downstream. You still need a phoneline for upstream. (and it has MASSIVE latency) |
| 23:19.51 | nauticat | i just have 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:20.09 | saerdna | Guerin: please help instead. i cant find the answer. all i found was setuid and setgid and it doesnt work |
| 23:20.56 | pattieja | streuner, I think I found it in debian/rules: |
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| 23:21.02 | pattieja | rules: --with-acl-support \ |
| 23:21.11 | FireGL | yeah... i dont WANT to know about upstream... i mean who the hell would host something from their laptop in south africa? i wanna know if you can download and access information on the internet via satalite through a wireless ISP wihch provicdes directly to your WiFi card/connection on your laptop at high speed >8-] |
| 23:21.32 | Guerin | saerdna: what filesystem? |
| 23:21.34 | pattieja | of course, this is for samba-3.0.10, which seems to be the latest available in testing |
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| 23:21.53 | pattieja | and I'm running a slightly older installation, 3.0.8, I think, or 3.0.7 |
| 23:22.25 | cthulfuego | FireGL: it would be nice to be able to email someone a photo in under 15 minutes. |
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| 23:22.42 | FireGL | ah |
| 23:22.48 | FireGL | ;) |
| 23:22.54 | FireGL | got ya. i didnt think of it like that |
| 23:22.55 | Guerin | oh jesus, my grandmother wants to email me videos she takes with her webcam, on 56k |
| 23:22.59 | cthulfuego | FireGL: And no, wifi doesn't even have enough range to talk to a passing 747, let alone a satellite. |
| 23:23.12 | FireGL | ok |
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| 23:23.19 | Maneit | Guerin: Your grandma has a webcam? |
| 23:23.22 | cthulfuego | Guerin: telnet mailserver 100; DELE 1; |
| 23:23.29 | cthulfuego | s/100/110/ |
| 23:23.33 | FireGL | But... |
| 23:23.43 | FireGL | you mean using a webmail service is actaully uploading informatino? |
| 23:23.46 | Guerin | and the shitty windows budled software that came with it doesn't compress worth a damn, so it's about 10MB/minute at 150x120 or something |
| 23:23.47 | FireGL | information* |
| 23:23.51 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Actually, I found out my local exchange has 8Mbit DSLAMS now. |
| 23:24.01 | Guerin | cthulfuego: sweet! |
| 23:24.26 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Sadly only for a shit ISP that requires bundled local calls through them, or they'll leave you on 1.5Mbit |
| 23:24.32 | Guerin | Maneit: yeah, she's got a computer and a webcam and all sorts... and I didn't have to set any of it up for her! |
| 23:24.42 | Guerin | cthulfuego: hah, love that monopoly |
| 23:24.44 | paper | When using apt-get to install a package, is it possible for me to specify which repo i want it to use to grab the package? |
| 23:24.49 | Guerin | or duopoly in your case |
| 23:24.53 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Nono, not telstra ;-) |
| 23:25.10 | Guerin | cthulfuego: optus? |
| 23:25.12 | cthulfuego | Them doing that has forced others to adjust their pricing though. |
| 23:25.14 | cthulfuego | Guerin: iiNet. |
| 23:25.21 | Guerin | cthulfuego: oh, a new one. |
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| 23:25.45 | Guerin | cthulfuego: they suffer from Jobs' Stuttering Prefix Syndrome |
| 23:26.00 | cthulfuego | Guerin: iinet has beena round for a while. Used to think they were ood, but after recent adventures with a friend's iinet DSl I'm staying the hell away from them. |
| 23:26.52 | saerdna | how can i get a figlet text in a cowsay box? |
| 23:27.14 | paulswm | !test |
| 23:27.14 | dpkg | No, paulswm, you're not online any more. |
| 23:27.42 | Guerin | cthulfuego: I have a mate who's setting up a wireless branch of the ISP he works for, one a local basis... he's able to provide equivalent wireless speeds to telecom (the monopoly)'s dsl at lower price and with lower setup costs. |
| 23:28.04 | Guerin | cthulfuego: still not worth going to live in Palmerston North for, though. |
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| 23:28.34 | michal_ | what advantages does xen have over uml when you only care about running linux within the virtual machines? |
| 23:28.44 | cthulfuego | Guerin: *nod* There's one here that does low-cost wifi, but you need to have line of sight AND buy your own antenna. And honestly, you don't want your internet todrop out when it rains or is foggy. |
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| 23:29.37 | Guerin | cthulfuego: yeah. PN is a very flat, low-rise, windy city, so this is supposed to work out. Apparently they have a shitload of APs too |
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| 23:30.34 | michal_ | well p.d.o and google have both failed me with xen 2.0 packages |
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| 23:30.46 | michal_ | turns out that there is something in experimental that neither found |
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| 23:31.18 | Resonan1 | is XMMS gnome only? and if so, is there a clone for KDE? |
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| 23:31.26 | Guerin | pdo doesn't search experimental; google's cache is probably a bit slower |
| 23:31.40 | Guerin | Resonan1: xmms isn't gnome; it's gtk1 |
| 23:31.56 | cthulfuego | Guerin: As does Melbourne (wardriving is fun!) |
| 23:32.05 | multi_io | what config file does "dpke-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" edit??? It is *not* /etc/X11/XF86Config* !?! |
| 23:32.09 | Guerin | cthulfuego: heh |
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| 23:33.24 | Resonan1 | is there a way to force XMMS to use gtk1 instead of gtk2? |
| 23:33.38 | Guerin | xmms DOES use gtk1 |
| 23:33.47 | Guerin | xmms NEVER uses gtk2 |
| 23:34.09 | TheAsp | beep is an xmms clone in gtk2 |
| 23:34.12 | Resonan1 | let me rephrase slightly: xmms crashes on startup on my system using KDE, any ideas? :) |
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| 23:34.21 | TheAsp | use gnome? :) |
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| 23:34.31 | Resonan1 | not a big fan of gnome :) |
| 23:34.33 | zinx | Resonan1: don't use the aRTs wrapper |
| 23:34.35 | cthulfuego | Resonan1: Run it from the command line and check for errors. |
| 23:34.36 | Guerin | Resonan1: run it in a shell and read the errors |
| 23:34.39 | multi_io | what config file does "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" edit??? It is *not* /etc/X11/XF86Config* !?! |
| 23:34.48 | Guerin | zinx is probably right though |
| 23:34.49 | cthulfuego | multi_io: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:34.51 | zinx | Resonan1: i wasn't aware the thing ran by default in debian though.. usually see that problem on mandrake |
| 23:34.52 | multi_io | Resonan1: amoK is said to be good... |
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| 23:35.00 | cthulfuego | multi_io: If it doesn't save the changes, read the top part of that file. |
| 23:35.01 | TheAsp | multi_io: try running dexconf |
| 23:35.04 | multi_io | cthulfuego: no |
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| 23:35.07 | cthulfuego | multi_io: yes. |
| 23:35.08 | pkplex | anyone got any suggestions on a non-dead ( currently maintained ) project which lets you do virtual hosting without system accounts ( I already know about vpopmail though ) for qmail? |
| 23:35.09 | NWarren | [test] |
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| 23:35.14 | zinx | Resonan1: the other option is to use the aRTs output plugin, of course |
| 23:35.29 | Phated | cthulfuego: I believe he's looking for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
| 23:35.32 | Guerin | pkplex: qmail bad |
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| 23:35.39 | Guerin | pkplex: do you HAVE to use it? |
| 23:35.40 | choisy | hello |
| 23:35.47 | cthulfuego | Phated: That's what he said, yes. |
| 23:36.03 | otje | i'm trying to make a chrooted login, but when i chroot and 'ls' a directory, i only see numeric values.. i have made /home/jailed/etc/passwd |
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| 23:36.06 | choisy | anyone has gtk-engines-industrial installed? |
| 23:36.08 | Phated | cthulfuego: Oh, right. I wasn't reading. |
| 23:36.08 | multi_io | TheAsp: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 23:36.09 | cthulfuego | Phated: he probably fiddled with the file and now the md5sums don't match anymore, so it won't save. |
| 23:36.17 | Guerin | !chroot ssh |
| 23:36.19 | Phated | cthulfuego: Yeah, what you said. :) |
| 23:36.21 | petemc | pkplex: i use exim4 with virtual domains/users |
| 23:36.22 | cthulfuego | multi_io: Sheesh, are you retarded? |
| 23:36.23 | pkplex | Guerin: why is qmail bad. |
| 23:36.24 | Guerin | eh |
| 23:36.27 | multi_io | cthulfuego: I ran it in strace, and it doesn't even open anything in /etc. Not once. |
| 23:36.28 | Guerin | !qmail |
| 23:36.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html, or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/q |
| 23:36.39 | Guerin | pkplex: that lists.d.o link there |
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| 23:36.43 | cthulfuego | multi_io: LOOK at the first ferw paragraphs of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. READ them. Understand. |
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| 23:36.54 | TheAsp | i've had issues with that method working |
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| 23:37.04 | otje | Guerin: "!chroot ssh" <- for me? |
| 23:37.05 | cthulfuego | multi_io: Wrecking your cfg file with another tool will NOT fix your issue. |
| 23:37.22 | gilles | what is the best mail client on linux ? |
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| 23:37.30 | Guerin | otje: yeah, but I can't seem to remember the factoid name. is it a ssh chroot, or a local login chroot? |
| 23:37.48 | otje | Guerin: i ssh into the box and chroot myself |
| 23:37.57 | l4vim | hello, I need tool to make backups - what should I use ? "dar" looks not-friendly and as I read it cannot update backup-files - it can only make diferential backups in new files |
| 23:38.02 | michal_ | i noticed that debian has a lot of packages providing mail-transport-agent .. why no packages providing mail-delivery-agent ? |
| 23:38.02 | Guerin | !ssh chroot |
| 23:38.02 | dpkg | methinks ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425 and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 23:38.04 | multi_io | cthulfuego: OK, got it |
| 23:38.06 | Guerin | there it is |
| 23:38.13 | Guerin | otje: read that ⇧ |
| 23:38.17 | otje | ok |
| 23:38.21 | multi_io | cthulfuego, TheAsp: thanks |
| 23:39.29 | Guerin | l4vim: I use rsnapshot. |
| 23:39.37 | Guerin | gilles: mutt |
| 23:39.53 | multi_io | cthulfuego: as an apology, the header in XF86COnfig-4 only talks about dexconf (which I didn't know of), not about dpkg-reconfigure, so I didn'T think it applied |
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| 23:40.10 | l4vim | Guerin : thank you - I'll try it |
| 23:40.14 | gilles | Guerin: mutt is better than evolution or thunderbird ? |
| 23:40.25 | Guerin | gilles: orders of magnitude |
| 23:40.29 | zinx | !better |
| 23:40.29 | dpkg | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 23:40.30 | Phated | Hell yes. |
| 23:40.36 | TheAsp | mutt rules. |
| 23:40.37 | cthulfuego | gilles: For varying values of 'better' yes. |
| 23:40.40 | Phated | Foreva. |
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| 23:41.07 | cthulfuego | gilles: if you mean 'managing multiple accounts and calendaring', no, mutt is shit for that. |
| 23:41.25 | Guerin | bah, mail client != calendar |
| 23:41.40 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 23:41.41 | saerdna | debian gnu |
| 23:41.42 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Multiple imap accounts is handy, though. |
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| 23:41.51 | quittt | can someone here see my df -h to see if there is something wrong with it? |
| 23:41.58 | Guerin | cthulfuego: I have multiple imap accounts with mutt |
| 23:42.09 | Guerin | I use hooks to manage them all |
| 23:42.15 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Yucky. |
| 23:43.16 | jcole | !ppc |
| 23:43.16 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 23:44.52 | Bac9 | how do I deny logins for uid<1000 from outside localhost? |
| 23:44.55 | michal_ | hmm.. i'm confused.. how long does it take for packages to get to experimental after being submitted bu maintainers? |
| 23:45.09 | Guerin | michal_: depends |
| 23:45.10 | michal_ | i know xen 2.0 should be in experimental.. but it doesn't seem to be |
| 23:45.23 | michal_ | was submitted more than a week ago |
| 23:45.26 | Guerin | michal_: there's no 'should' about experimental |
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| 23:45.48 | michal_ | is there some staging area where i can see the submitted packages? |
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| 23:46.19 | Guerin | Bac9: use allowed_logins or whatever it's called in sshd_config |
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| 23:47.04 | Bac9 | Guerin: that only allows me to specify usernames, not uid's, not a very generic solution |
| 23:47.12 | Bac9 | Guerin: any other sugestions? |
| 23:47.12 | Resonan1 | Ok I have finally gotten to the error message for XMMS. Pasting in #flood |
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| 23:48.06 | Guerin | Bac9: if you specify some allowed, all others are disallowed |
| 23:48.11 | Guerin | Bac9: but I'm not sure if it can work by uid |
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| 23:48.41 | Bac9 | Guerin: it specifically says it does not accept uid |
| 23:48.47 | michal_ | dammit.. this is frustrating :/ |
| 23:48.49 | Bac9 | Guerin: and I have not found anything in pam |
| 23:49.03 | Bac9 | Guerin: and I don't feel like updating sshd_conf every time I add users |
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| 23:49.30 | arango | What's the name of the Linux program that resizes NTFS ? |
| 23:49.38 | Guerin | Bac9: yeah |
| 23:49.38 | FieldySnuts | none hopefuly |
| 23:49.47 | Bac9 | Guerin: so any sugestions? |
| 23:49.50 | FieldySnuts | am i nuts, or is resizing partitions a really bad idea |
| 23:49.58 | Guerin | Bac9: not without googling, sorry |
| 23:50.05 | Bac9 | Guerin: k thanx |
| 23:50.10 | Bac9 | how do I deny logins for uid<1000 from outside localhost? |
| 23:50.18 | Guerin | now I have to call someone about a job halfway across the worls |
| 23:50.21 | Guerin | hurrah. |
| 23:50.25 | arango | FieldySnuts: Not when you have a laptop and you want to keep the original Windows |
| 23:50.29 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hihi. :) |
| 23:50.38 | arango | So what's the name of the Linux program that resizes NTFS ? |
| 23:50.39 | TheAsp | Bac9: /etc/security/access.conf or somesuch |
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| 23:51.03 | herbi | hello! |
| 23:51.06 | herbi | its question time. |
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| 23:51.20 | ferris | let's have it herbi |
| 23:51.28 | Bac9 | TheAsp: and how do I specify gid<1000 there? |
| 23:51.30 | herbi | is there a way i can have many deb archives in my sources.list, but only download the stuff from security.debian.org |
| 23:51.35 | cthulfuego | Bac9: Use iptables to block any outgoing ssh traffic for uid<1000 |
| 23:51.51 | Godric_KickingXF | Question: In base-config, I selected GDM as default login, how to I change it to KDM? |
| 23:51.53 | herbi | e.g. i want to script something that does automated security updates, but wont update anything else |
| 23:51.57 | cthulfuego | Bac9: it means they can init a connection, but they'll get dumped as soon as thei're authenticated. |
| 23:51.58 | Guerin | herbi: man apt_preferences |
| 23:52.05 | herbi | Guerin <3 |
| 23:52.19 | TheAsp | Bac9: the man page may be helpful |
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| 23:52.29 | Godric_KickingXF | 'lo faw |
| 23:52.35 | squigly | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.40 | Bac9 | cthulfuego: I don't care about outgoing, just incoming |
| 23:52.51 | Guerin | Godric_KickingXF: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 23:52.56 | FireGL | ok ive done something SLIGHTLY wrong. When choosing the display drivers installing debian i chose my ATi ones. BUT i was forgetting i was installing on VMware therefore i had to use the generic ones. It wont start the x server now. is there any way i can ammend this without having to reinstall debian? |
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| 23:53.02 | cthulfuego | Bac9: yes, I understand that. |
| 23:53.02 | pkplex | So what is a postfix solution, which uses either non-system accounts for virtual hosting, and lets you run the front end admin tool in an apache chroot ( ie, openbsd's apache chroot ) |
| 23:53.02 | Bac9 | TheAsp: man can't seem to find it, is there some special way it's called? |
| 23:53.04 | ferris | herbi, have you used apt-spy? |
| 23:53.17 | pkplex | if qmail is so abhorred here, that is. |
| 23:53.18 | Bac9 | cthulfuego: then what are you sugesting? |
| 23:53.18 | TheAsp | hmm |
| 23:53.22 | cthulfuego | Bac9: The system doesn't KNOW the uid until a user has logged in. |
| 23:53.31 | TheAsp | Bac9: look for the docs for pam_access, the pam module |
| 23:53.35 | cthulfuego | Bac9: So either way they'll need to login, THEN be disconnected. |
| 23:53.37 | Bac9 | cthulfuego: the uid is in /etc/passwd |
| 23:53.44 | dan2 | TheAsp: getent passwd <username> |
| 23:53.45 | gilles | Is Evolution part of the Gnome project ? |
| 23:54.02 | Bac9 | TheAsp: read up on that too, can't find anything that can match uids |
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| 23:54.09 | herbi | ferris i have not. |
| 23:54.12 | herbi | !apt-spy |
| 23:54.12 | dpkg | i heard apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' |
| 23:54.13 | TheAsp | dan2: uhh |
| 23:54.31 | ferris | lol |
| 23:54.32 | Bac9 | cthulfuego: when pam checks login rights it has username and has uid/gid from /etc/passwd |
| 23:54.33 | cthulfuego | Bac9: iptables has '--uid-owner' matching. |
| 23:54.33 | michal_ | looks like i have to go back to the old way and manuall install packages with dpkg .. here comes dependency hell :/ |
| 23:54.44 | FireGL | ok ive done something SLIGHTLY wrong. When choosing the display drivers installing debian i chose my ATi ones. BUT i was forgetting i was installing on VMware therefore i had to use the generic ones. It wont start the x server now. is there any way i can ammend this without having to reinstall debian? |
| 23:54.45 | herbi | Guerin so basically, 'apt-get update && apt-get -t security upgrade' is quite alright? |
| 23:54.46 | Bac9 | cthulfuego: that's for outgoing connections |
| 23:54.56 | cthulfuego | Bac9: Yes. |
| 23:54.57 | ferris | herbi apt-get install apt-spy |
| 23:55.05 | Bac9 | cthulfuego: I want to block logins |
| 23:55.08 | ferris | then apt-spy |
| 23:55.08 | Phated | FireGL: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:55.08 | cthulfuego | Bac9: The return data for ssh connections is outgoing, is it not? |
| 23:55.12 | vulture | what Phated said |
| 23:55.21 | Phated | Hey vulture. :) |
| 23:55.27 | ferris | unless someone here has a better idea... |
| 23:55.27 | FireGL | thanks Phated |
| 23:55.32 | Bac9 | cthulfuego: it's a bit too late by the time the data has uid of user |
| 23:55.36 | herbi | its phated the hot mysterious asian girl! |
| 23:55.38 | ferris | *newbie |
| 23:55.44 | Phated | Oh, shut up. |
| 23:55.44 | FieldySnuts | Bac9: try to find "nologin" as a shell, redshat systems have it. put it on your system, add it to /etc/shells , set their shell to nologin then they can't log in. but they'll be able to ftp in, if that's what you're aiming for |
| 23:55.44 | vulture | g'day Phated |
| 23:55.49 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hehe |
| 23:55.50 | Phated | vulture: What's up? |
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| 23:55.54 | Bac9 | cthulfuego: it meens the login process completed and the result is already sbeing sent back |
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| 23:55.58 | cthulfuego | Bac9: Well duh, it's no different doing it via pam. |
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| 23:56.02 | cartel_ | hey all |
| 23:56.04 | herbi | ah! AHH! |
| 23:56.08 | FireGL | Phated: Command not found.. |
| 23:56.10 | Pythe | hey, I'm trying to get an Xserver running on my system here - I've apt-gotten xserver-fbdev and flwm to use, but 'startx' does nothing. (I was trying to use xfce earlier with the same issue...) |
| 23:56.11 | vulture | not too much, Valentine's day wasn't too bad - how's yours? |
| 23:56.13 | Phated | FireGL: As root. |
| 23:56.18 | FireGL | oh yeah ;) |
| 23:56.19 | Phated | vulture: Brilliant, thanks. :) |
| 23:56.22 | vulture | good to hear |
| 23:56.26 | cartel_ | anyone know maildrop? got a couple of quickies. |
| 23:56.30 | Phated | :) |
| 23:56.41 | Bac9 | FieldySnuts: no I am aming for total lockout of any uid below 1000, ftp, mail, ssh, telnet what ever |
| 23:57.01 | Bac9 | cthulfuego: pam does its magic before the login process completes |
| 23:57.02 | FieldySnuts | got me there, if you're that paranoid you may want to consider grsecurity patches |
| 23:57.07 | TheAsp | Bac9: make a group with the users you want to block, you can block by group with access.conf |
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| 23:57.22 | cartel_ | im trying to get a simple maildrop script that forwards if messages are from a specific address to another email account locally |
| 23:57.24 | fritz[] | how can I see total CPU % and memory usage from ps ? |
| 23:57.26 | fritz[] | like : ps -C some_progess -o %mem,%cpu |
| 23:57.29 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Man, no one ever says "look it's FieldySnuts the hot mysterious girl!" |
| 23:57.40 | FieldySnuts | their loss |
| 23:57.58 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 23:57.58 | Bac9 | TheAsp: pain in the ass, some package install scripts create users, it's simpler for me to block everyone under 1000 |
| 23:58.03 | pattieja | Pythe, what do you have your framebuffer settings set to? |
| 23:58.14 | TheAsp | Bac9: most accounts you can't login to |
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| 23:58.18 | quittt | is anything wrong with http://paste.uni.cc/6658 ??? |
| 23:58.32 | Phated | Oooh, harsh. |
| 23:58.37 | cartel_ | Bac9: just make sure all the accounts are set to /bin/true for their shell |
| 23:58.37 | Pythe | pattieja : good question... sorry I'm such a noob... where do you check that? |
| 23:58.41 | herbi | FieldySnuts! |
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| 23:58.46 | michal_ | am I misreading this? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00261.html does it not say it was uploaded into experimental?? |
| 23:58.52 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Now you in for it. ;) |
| 23:58.54 | Bac9 | TheAsp: where is that checked? |
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| 23:58.58 | FieldySnuts | not really i was leaving |
| 23:59.04 | Phated | Aww. |
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| 23:59.06 | pattieja | well, if you are setting it in the bootloader, you might check /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:59.07 | TheAsp | Bac9: /etc/passwd |
| 23:59.07 | cartel_ | haha |
| 23:59.11 | herbi | dont worry, i know where he lives |
| 23:59.22 | TheAsp | well, not most |
| 23:59.23 | TheAsp | but alot |
| 23:59.26 | pattieja | you can also see what the kernel thinks it is by typing: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 23:59.30 | Phated | herbi: Er... -she-. |
| 23:59.32 | vulture | Phated: Titanium, got it put in when I had it was blown away in the great flamewars of the 90s. :) |
| 23:59.39 | Bac9 | cartel_: again that's on a per-account management, I want something generic, with what you sugest I might as well block accounts by username |
| 23:59.40 | pattieja | should be something like 'vga=0x601' or similar |
| 23:59.47 | herbi | Phated er... -sure- :) |
| 23:59.53 | Phated | vulture: I'm so sorry, I forgot you were actually old enough to be online at that time. |
| 23:59.57 | FireGL | errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
