| 00:00.04 | vulture | Phated: ;) |
| 00:00.04 | pattieja | unless you are using a different framebuffer than the VGA framebuffer |
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| 00:00.12 | Phated | herbi: Er... no shit. <shrug> You seem to buy into me girl easily enough. |
| 00:00.13 | Pythe | pattieja : checking now... |
| 00:00.14 | cartel_ | Bac9: you will run into trouble if you just remove the accounts. |
| 00:00.15 | Phated | vulture: :) |
| 00:00.17 | cartel_ | bah |
| 00:00.19 | TheAsp | Bac9: if they have a password in /etc/group, they can login |
| 00:00.21 | Bac9 | TheAsp: how is that checked? /etc/passwod just lists accounts , their details and shell, what's to stop an app from installing a new user? |
| 00:00.24 | cartel_ | guess noone knows maildrop... |
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| 00:00.28 | pattieja | Pythe, are you certain that you want X to run against the framebuffer? |
| 00:00.33 | michal_ | does anybody here know anything about how uploads to experimental get accepted/denied or where I could find the audit trail for that? |
| 00:00.44 | TheAsp | Bac9: if they have a shell of /bin/false, they can't login with most stuff |
| 00:01.18 | Bac9 | TheAsp: oh so you actually have to have a password in /etc/passwd? I didn't know that, do you have anything to back that up or is that common knowlege? |
| 00:01.22 | Pythe | pattieja : the answer there would be "no." I'm just kind of messing around with this old laptop... |
| 00:01.25 | TheAsp | Bac9: no, /etc/shadow |
| 00:01.55 | Bac9 | TheAsp: ok, but is that something standard? as it's the first time I hear of it |
| 00:01.56 | TheAsp | Bac9: how would you log into an account without a password? |
| 00:02.13 | Bac9 | TheAsp: there as such things as allow blank password |
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| 00:02.26 | TheAsp | Bac9: but thats a blank password |
| 00:02.27 | Bac9 | TheAsp: I figured that's what it was for |
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| 00:02.30 | TheAsp | Bac9: not no password |
| 00:02.38 | Bac9 | TheAsp: is there a difference? |
| 00:02.41 | TheAsp | yes |
| 00:02.55 | Bac9 | TheAsp: pardon the stupid question, but how are they different? |
| 00:03.04 | michal_ | aha!! found SOMETHING |
| 00:03.05 | michal_ | http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html |
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| 00:03.32 | FireGL | this really sux. why does this always happen to me when i try to install a linux system on vmware wihch doesent have a GUI Installation |
| 00:03.36 | pattieja | Pythe, you might try to find out what type of video hardware it has and install the appropriate X server |
| 00:03.46 | pattieja | Pythe, i.e., lspci or 'cat /proc/pci' |
| 00:03.53 | TheAsp | Bac9: a blank password would be a hash of blank, no password would have an x in the field |
| 00:03.57 | Bac9 | FireGL: use colinux and forget vmware |
| 00:03.57 | FireGL | as soon as i try to start the x server i ALWAYS get the same problem. Even with fedora core... |
| 00:04.04 | FireGL | colinux? |
| 00:04.08 | Pythe | pattieja : here's the page I got the idea from off of... http://bogmog.sourceforge.net/document_show.php3?doc_id=17 |
| 00:04.09 | TheAsp | err |
| 00:04.10 | TheAsp | * |
| 00:04.13 | Bac9 | TheAsp: oh ok |
| 00:04.16 | FireGL | works on windows? heh |
| 00:04.20 | Pythe | I'm working with a neomagic card |
| 00:04.31 | cthulfuego | FireGL: That's what it's *for* |
| 00:04.32 | faw | any idea on how to solve the "cedil" problem using en_US.UTF-8 |
| 00:04.37 | faw | under GNOME |
| 00:04.38 | Bac9 | FireGL: run linux as a system service undet nt and friends |
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| 00:04.59 | FireGL | yea lookin @ homepage just now |
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| 00:05.29 | quittt | http://paste.uni.cc/6658 what is wrong with those? |
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| 00:06.08 | pattieja | Pythe, hmm. I don't see how that's "easier to install" |
| 00:06.17 | Bac9 | FireGL: works great, only downside is that disk io still depends on nt's horid implementation as in the end nt is the one accessing the real disk |
| 00:06.22 | Pythe | yeah, what does he know anyway :-p |
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| 00:06.39 | michal_ | what exactly does "Debian packages NEW queue summary" mean? |
| 00:06.41 | FireGL | Bac9: I see |
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| 00:06.44 | pattieja | I rather think the neomagic X server should be the more standard way of using it |
| 00:06.50 | michal_ | does it mean it has not yet been accepted if it's in the queue? |
| 00:07.05 | FireGL | Bac9: I just want to get familiar with Debian before i do a full install on my comp |
| 00:07.07 | cthulfuego | quittt: None of that is php code, so it shouldn't be in <? ?> tags. |
| 00:07.11 | michal_ | and if so why is there stuff dating back to 20002 in the queue? |
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| 00:07.34 | Pythe | ok lets see here... browsing package list |
| 00:07.37 | quittt | cthulfuego, it wasnt meant tobe |
| 00:07.39 | Bac9 | FireGL: there are debian disk images available for colinux |
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| 00:07.51 | Bac9 | FireGL: all preinstalled and ready to go |
| 00:07.56 | FireGL | ohh |
| 00:07.59 | FireGL | sweet |
| 00:08.11 | michal_ | it's a genuine mystery :/ |
| 00:08.14 | FireGL | wont that make the initial download of colinux really... erm |
| 00:08.21 | FireGL | how could i say... one hell of a big file? |
| 00:08.33 | Pythe | hmm no neomagic on the official, stable list... |
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| 00:08.51 | pattieja | Pythe, which version of Debian are you attempting to install? |
| 00:08.51 | Pythe | ahh found an address to it |
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| 00:08.59 | Pythe | hrm |
| 00:09.00 | michal_ | seems like packages get submitted to debian and stay in the queue up to an indefinite amount of time with no explanation? |
| 00:09.04 | pattieja | you might try pulling from testing or unstable |
| 00:09.08 | Bac9 | FireGL: that's what compression is for :-) |
| 00:09.16 | Pythe | I have the 2.4 Woody installed |
| 00:09.36 | Guerin | michal_: if you're concerned about a particular package, ask about it on debian-devel, or mail the maintainer |
| 00:09.42 | Pythe | I did find an address for one here: dists/frozen/non-free/binary-i386/x11/xserver-neomagic_1.1.0-1-1.deb |
| 00:09.48 | Bac9 | FireGL: but you're right the disk images are a tad big when downloading over modem :-) dig through their site to find them |
| 00:09.53 | pattieja | Pythe, 2.4? I thought woody started at 3.0? |
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| 00:10.06 | Pythe | hrm? kernel version... |
| 00:10.25 | Guerin | 3.0 kernel??11! |
| 00:10.33 | pattieja | Pythe, the neomagic driver may be included in the XFree86 4.x servers |
| 00:10.34 | Pythe | lol that would be fun |
| 00:10.35 | saerdna | anyone who knows why aterm changes background color when resizing console with transparent mode? |
| 00:10.46 | tarzeau | saerdna: it does? |
| 00:10.51 | shingouz | Pythe: you're trying to get Neomagic to work on framebuffer? why not use the 4.x series |
| 00:10.52 | pattieja | but, then, I don't remember if Woody has X4 available |
| 00:11.04 | tarzeau | saerdna: can you make screenshot? and maybe tell options you start aterm with and what window manager you use? |
| 00:11.09 | shingouz | i think woody has 4x available |
| 00:11.13 | michal_ | guerin: the mailing list describes tha package as submitted to experimental .. and whatever http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html actually is lists it there.. but it doesn't appear to actually be in experimental.. i'm afraid I'm missing some piece of the puzzle and the maintainer doesn't seem to like being asked questions |
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| 00:11.32 | Bac9 | FireGL: alternatively try qemu as your x86vm |
| 00:11.33 | Pythe | ok, do I just apt-get 4x then? |
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| 00:12.17 | saerdna | tarzeau: aterm -fg white -bg black -transparent -tint blue |
| 00:12.29 | saerdna | tarzeau: the window manager gnome uses |
| 00:12.30 | Guerin | michal_: try a few mirrors; look at the dates on it; if it SHOULD be in there according to anibal's script, post to debian-devel asking why it's not. |
| 00:12.35 | shingouz | the xfree86 4.whatever the version is in woody |
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| 00:12.46 | tarzeau | saerdna: like aterm -rv -tr -tint blue |
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| 00:12.52 | shingouz | apt-cache search xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:13.00 | Pythe | ahh 4.1 |
| 00:13.07 | Pythe | found it I think' |
| 00:13.45 | saerdna | tarzeau: still removes the transparency if i resize |
| 00:13.52 | Resonan1 | this is probably a KDE based question, but any ideas how to get the clock to go 24 hour instead of 12? |
| 00:13.53 | michal_ | guerin: is ftp.debian.org the definitive mirror? does it get the files first? |
| 00:14.18 | tarzeau | Resonan1: which clock? |
| 00:14.26 | tarzeau | saerdna: no idea, i use aterm like this: |
| 00:14.27 | Resonan1 | tarzeau: bottom right display clock |
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| 00:14.37 | tarzeau | saerdna: aterm -tr -sh 69 -rv +sb -sl 1000 -fn lime |
| 00:14.39 | malex | Hi, missing man pages get filed as "minor" severity bugs, right? |
| 00:14.40 | peterS | shingouz: woody has 4.1.0 |
| 00:14.49 | tarzeau | saerdna: no problem resizing it (got Window Maker here) |
| 00:14.58 | Pythe | yay! it DOES have neomagic :) |
| 00:15.00 | saerdna | tarzeau: hum that one worked! |
| 00:15.15 | peterS | malex: I think so. or you can just guess 'normal' and it'll be reset by the maintainer if needed |
| 00:15.16 | tarzeau | malex: better if you don't file bug, but write it, and make sure it gets into the next upload |
| 00:15.23 | saerdna | tarzeau: but resizing it lags a bit |
| 00:15.29 | tarzeau | saerdna: gnome problem |
| 00:15.34 | saerdna | hehe |
| 00:15.37 | shingouz | Pythe: what did i say :) |
| 00:15.38 | tarzeau | saerdna: also happens with fvwm. it's uberfast with windowmaker |
| 00:15.41 | peterS | Pythe: I've heard bad things about the neomagic driver in older xfree86es. it works, sorta, but people have problems with it |
| 00:15.44 | tarzeau | saerdna: not funny, gnome is the problem |
| 00:15.52 | saerdna | hehe |
| 00:16.16 | saerdna | :) |
| 00:16.16 | saerdna | i like gnome |
| 00:16.16 | tarzeau | saerdna: i would remove gnome |
| 00:16.16 | saerdna | and fluxbox |
| 00:16.16 | saerdna | =) |
| 00:16.16 | Pythe | peterS : this is Xfree 4.1... |
| 00:16.16 | tarzeau | saerdna: no gnome, no problem |
| 00:16.17 | shingouz | i think i have installed a neomagic on some hp laptop under woody some time ago |
| 00:16.29 | malex | tarzeau: I've written one, but I have to file a bug-report and send the patch. It's one of my NM T&S excersizes... Thanks. |
| 00:16.33 | saerdna | tarzeau: well apt-get install gnome installed like 200 libs, good luck removing all of them :) |
| 00:16.36 | peterS | Pythe: right. it might work fine, or it might not. it should at least detect your chip and try to drive it (: |
| 00:16.37 | jlj_ | Is there any way to safely dump/backup an entire partition without unmounting it first? |
| 00:16.39 | shingouz | i believe it was a 4.x xserver |
| 00:16.46 | peterS | jlj_: via what method? |
| 00:16.48 | malex | peterS: Thanks. |
| 00:16.49 | doublehp | the samba server of my network is down ... how can I force umount it ? |
| 00:16.51 | tarzeau | malex: ah, good luck -- and i thought you fix manual pages bugs for fun |
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| 00:17.01 | Pythe | shingouz : how convenient :-) I'm trying to put it on an Omnibook right now :-p |
| 00:17.01 | tarzeau | saerdna: yeah :) i'd be pissed |
| 00:17.13 | tarzeau | saerdna: try gnustep next time |
| 00:17.22 | saerdna | gnustep? |
| 00:17.29 | shingouz | Pythe: dstn or tft display? |
| 00:17.34 | peterS | saerdna: it's a gui framework |
| 00:17.37 | malex | tarzeau: :), There are few missing pages, actually. That kind of bug is pretty rare these days. |
| 00:17.38 | tarzeau | saerdna: http://livecd.gnustep.org |
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| 00:17.51 | tarzeau | malex: there's TONS of missing pages |
| 00:17.51 | Pythe | ok so it finished the apt-get install... I just hit startx and "Command not found" |
| 00:17.56 | jlj_ | peterS: any method, but with a suitable program preferably |
| 00:18.00 | peterS | malex: well, in an absolute sense there are hundreds of missing manpages, I believe. in a relative sense, you don't hit them very often (: |
| 00:18.03 | saerdna | tarzeau: seams ugly |
| 00:18.13 | Pythe | dstn? boggle? I couldn't tell you... |
| 00:18.20 | tarzeau | saerdna: sometimes the eye can be fooled |
| 00:18.28 | shingouz | Pythe: active or passive matrix display |
| 00:18.29 | jlj_ | peterS: ie. partimage or something similar, however it appears to require unmounting |
| 00:18.43 | tarzeau | saerdna: what about this? http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/concepts/01/ui.png |
| 00:18.45 | peterS | jlj_: something like partimage probably works best if you unmount, yeah |
| 00:18.56 | malex | tarzeau: http://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html. Once I started going through those packages, I have found none in the unstable that would have missing pages. |
| 00:19.02 | arango | What's the difference between standby and suspend ? |
| 00:19.08 | tarzeau | malex: that doesn't list all missing manpages |
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| 00:19.14 | Pythe | I don't know that... its an old one, so I assume Active matrix |
| 00:19.19 | shingouz | hmm.... no startx.... what was it again, x-system-base? |
| 00:19.32 | saerdna | tarzeau: damn ncie |
| 00:19.36 | saerdna | looks like gnome haha |
| 00:19.39 | peterS | jlj_: I generally just don't worry about those little file inconsistencies you get by not unmounting a partition, using a file-based backup thing like 'tar' |
| 00:19.40 | malex | tarzeau: Do you know a better way to find out which packages in sarge (not unstable, sorry) have man pages missing? |
| 00:19.43 | Phated | x-window-system should have everything you need, shingouz. |
| 00:19.53 | saerdna | tarzeau: looks like a combination between gnome and fluxbox |
| 00:20.04 | saerdna | haha |
| 00:20.05 | peterS | jlj_: on the theory that any well-behaved app will safely write files in such an order that you don't lose data anyway if they're in the middle of writing something when the backup hits |
| 00:20.07 | Pythe | yipes! 46 megs? |
| 00:20.18 | tarzeau | malex: no. i have sid. i can tell you with sid |
| 00:20.19 | dvs | Sounds right |
| 00:20.24 | shingouz | Pythe: if it is old enough it is a passive matrix. get the exact type on the thing and do a small google for the xf86setup, could have some odd values |
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| 00:20.47 | shingouz | Pythe: apt-get install x-window-system to get the startx too |
| 00:20.49 | Pythe | shingouz : ok, will do... once I get the server running... |
| 00:20.59 | Optikal__ | Is there an apt-pupil? |
| 00:21.00 | peterS | malex: you could download Contents-i386.gz and correlate *bin/foo with /usr/share/man/man{1,6,8}/foo.* |
| 00:21.01 | malex | tarzeau: how? If I find out what packages in sid don't have man pages I can check which ones will be released and write a few pages. |
| 00:21.02 | ferris | here is a stupid question.... where is the little penguin? |
| 00:21.06 | peterS | malex: that'd give you an estimate anyway |
| 00:21.15 | peterS | malex: probably some false positives / negatives |
| 00:21.21 | Pythe | I don't know how much space I have left here :-p maybe I'll stick with console... |
| 00:21.25 | Optikal__ | ferris: A casualty of global warming. Tux RIP |
| 00:21.26 | ncsu | is there any digital camera or way to make them compatibal with linux/debian |
| 00:21.31 | malex | peterS: I will do that, unless tarzeau follows up and tells a better way. |
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| 00:21.44 | ferris | oh, no that is terrible |
| 00:21.46 | lOSTmONK | is J2RE in the repos? |
| 00:22.01 | dvs | lOSTmONK: Not the official Debian ones. |
| 00:22.03 | tarzeau | peterS: there's quite some stuff in /usr/lib and /usr/games |
| 00:22.12 | saerdna | gamez |
| 00:22.14 | Lee__ | it's on sun's website |
| 00:22.18 | peterS | tarzeau: stuff in /usr/lib doesn't need manpages, by and large. /usr/games, yes. /usr/sbin, yes. |
| 00:22.24 | saerdna | recommend some funny game in apt |
| 00:22.34 | tarzeau | peterS: stuff that is wrongly in /usr/lib and should be in /bin needs |
| 00:22.37 | lOSTmONK | yeah, but the DL from there is a pain |
| 00:22.41 | lOSTmONK | doesnt wanna run |
| 00:22.41 | saerdna | some puzzle or maze |
| 00:22.42 | tarzeau | peterS: don't ask |
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| 00:22.51 | dvs | lOSTmONK: deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./ |
| 00:22.52 | Lee__ | !tell lOSTmONK about java |
| 00:22.52 | shingouz | Pythe: go into the other console and df -h |
| 00:22.52 | hacim | I just installed libapache-mod-ssl, folled the README.Debian, and now when I go to https://my.site I get "The connection to my.site has terminated unexpectedly. Some data may have been transferred." |
| 00:22.55 | peterS | tarzeau: well, command man pages. what I said only covers sections 1, 6, 8. finding missing manpages for sections 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 would be a lot harder |
| 00:23.10 | tarzeau | peterS: i was talking commands wrongly in /usr/lib |
| 00:23.19 | jetscreamer | hey does forte/sunone/whatever it's called now/ run under linux? |
| 00:23.35 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: wtf's that? |
| 00:23.35 | dvs | NetBeans? |
| 00:23.36 | peterS | tarzeau: right. I guess there would be a few of those. but that's against Policy - if something is in /usr/lib it shouldn't be a user-runnable command, and thus shouldn't need a manpage |
| 00:23.44 | jetscreamer | yeah like netbeans but sun's version |
| 00:24.05 | tarzeau | peterS: there is user-runnable commands, wrongly there, that need manual pages. :) |
| 00:24.09 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: haha |
| 00:24.23 | Godric_KickingXF | Question: when the x server can't start up, you get error message, then config program, what's the command for config program |
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| 00:24.39 | tarzeau | Godric_KickingXF: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:24.43 | jetscreamer | Godric_KickingXF, you might try modprobe mousedev first, then do that |
| 00:25.03 | peterS | tarzeau: deploy dan2 to find the /usr/lib binaries! |
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| 00:25.11 | tarzeau | peterS: better not |
| 00:25.19 | peterS | tarzeau: (: |
| 00:25.23 | lOSTmONK | rofl |
| 00:25.25 | tarzeau | peterS: i know a bunch already. but it'll only be fixed after sarge+1 |
| 00:25.34 | lOSTmONK | Lee__, u need it for yahoo chat |
| 00:25.43 | Lee__ | then install it |
| 00:25.49 | gilles | is there an application such like phpMyAdmin or phpPgAdmin that allow to manage SQLite databases ? |
| 00:25.50 | peterS | tarzeau: I dunno, that mass bug he filed without doing the proper research about it *was* pretty funny |
| 00:26.03 | jetscreamer | gilles, phpmyadmin |
| 00:26.03 | tarzeau | peterS: pain in the ass |
| 00:26.08 | lOSTmONK | i was asking, because i wanna setup pure debian |
| 00:26.12 | peterS | jetscreamer: phpmyadmin can do SQLite? |
| 00:26.17 | Lee__ | !tell lOSTmONK about install java |
| 00:26.17 | lOSTmONK | making sure id get support for it |
| 00:26.19 | jetscreamer | oh doh |
| 00:26.25 | tarzeau | peterS: not as bad as that guy about package name space pollution though |
| 00:26.25 | jetscreamer | gilles, ignore me |
| 00:26.34 | jetscreamer | !moron jetscreamer |
| 00:26.35 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You are moron #95 |
| 00:26.40 | lOSTmONK | can u get it to tell me about jigdo? |
| 00:26.43 | jetscreamer | no i'm 86 |
| 00:26.49 | Lee__ | lOSTmONK: no, but you can. |
| 00:26.52 | peterS | tarzeau: which guy? lots of people have made noise about *that*. I do think the solution you adopted of .app / .bundle is a good one |
| 00:26.52 | jetscreamer | jigdo seemed slow |
| 00:26.55 | dan2 | !moron jetscreamer |
| 00:26.56 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You are moron #25 |
| 00:27.11 | NWarren | !sarge guess |
| 00:27.11 | dpkg | At a guess, sarge will be ready in about... 3 weeks, or see <guess>. |
| 00:27.18 | NWarren | :) |
| 00:27.24 | tarzeau | peterS: William Ballard |
| 00:27.25 | lOSTmONK | !jigdo |
| 00:27.25 | dpkg | i heard jigdo is *the* method for downloading cd images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 00:27.31 | peterS | tarzeau: oh, heh |
| 00:27.31 | jetscreamer | sarge will be out christmas. |
| 00:27.35 | peterS | tarzeau: he's annoying on any topic |
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| 00:27.52 | Lee__ | lOSTmONK: it's better if you talk to it with /msg dpkg |
| 00:28.12 | lOSTmONK | thanks |
| 00:28.14 | peterS | Flimzy: come hear an evening of jazz. one hour from now, WSU campus |
| 00:28.52 | Paganist | humm, the "absolute value" in maths changed my vision of banks.... i just love it |
| 00:29.08 | Flimzy | peterS: I don't have transportation. |
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| 00:29.13 | NWarren | jetscreamer, Are you sure? |
| 00:29.13 | peterS | Flimzy: eh, bleh. |
| 00:29.26 | Flimzy | peterS: I just took the bus home from work. |
| 00:29.34 | Flimzy | peterS: Are you taking your bike? |
| 00:29.41 | peterS | ahh. yes, I know what it's like not to have transportation (: |
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| 00:30.01 | peterS | I'm on campus already. I'm in the performance, so have to change into my tux and get over there in the next 30 minutes or so |
| 00:30.12 | Flimzy | ah |
| 00:30.38 | jetscreamer | NWarren, i gd well hope it's out by then... i'm assuming it will be earlier, but my statement is valid. |
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| 00:30.51 | Flimzy | Let me know about future performances further in advance, and I will try to attend one. |
| 00:31.06 | peterS | Flimzy: will do |
| 00:31.09 | jetscreamer | what do you play, peterS |
| 00:31.19 | peterS | jetscreamer: I play nothing seriously. in this case I'm merely singing |
| 00:31.21 | saerdna | wich is the best player for music? xmms? |
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| 00:31.28 | tarzeau | saerdna: Cynthiune.app |
| 00:31.30 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 00:31.36 | peterson | hy |
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| 00:31.46 | jetscreamer | saerdna, the one you like best is usually the best |
| 00:31.54 | ifup | Hello, Does anyone know of a player that will play sony multiburst images? |
| 00:32.06 | saerdna | tarzeau: may i see a screenshot of your gnustep setup? =) |
| 00:32.07 | peterS | saerdna: lots of choices. cplay, xmms, beep-media-player, two or three others available |
| 00:32.29 | tarzeau | saerdna: an actual one? not really, but here's some OPENSTEP ones (looks almost the same) www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 00:32.30 | peterson | have brazilian people here ? |
| 00:32.34 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 00:32.34 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:32.51 | tarzeau | saerdna: here's a cynthiune one: http://organact.mine.nu/~wolfgang/cynthiune/screenshots/cynthiune-050112.jpg |
| 00:33.08 | peterS | saerdna: a lot of people seem to be moving toward rhythmbox these days |
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| 00:33.44 | saerdna | peterS: yeah its pretty nice |
| 00:33.50 | saerdna | its like itunes |
| 00:33.57 | doublehp | # umount -f /home/dhp/projets/ocr/pommier => umount2: Device or resource busy ; lsof | grep pommier -> nothing occupies it .... whats wrong ??? |
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| 00:34.33 | saerdna | tarzeau: its all so ugly but i guess its optimized to be skinable |
| 00:35.02 | tarzeau | saerdna: can i see a screenshot of yours, what you find beautiful? |
| 00:35.09 | encryppt | does anybody know a good software that counts bandwidth usage (protocol, port - amount per) and shows in a webpage? |
| 00:35.21 | tarzeau | i guess i'll get eye cancer, but i'll risk looking at it anyways |
| 00:35.36 | tarzeau | encryppt: iptraf (no webpage) |
| 00:35.50 | saerdna | tarzeau: i just escaped from wintendo, i didnt setup everything yet http://stats.klydd.se/Screenshot.png |
| 00:35.58 | saerdna | iptraf is a swedish app, isnt it? |
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| 00:36.06 | Pythe | w00t I got it to boot into X and stay there :) Its weird and ugly, atm, but it's there |
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| 00:36.14 | encryppt | tarzeau i guess ipgraf only shows the usage since you run it |
| 00:36.24 | dvs | Pythe: "weird and ugly"? |
| 00:36.35 | ifup | encryppt: I like NTOP for that. |
| 00:36.35 | Pythe | more on that in a second |
| 00:36.38 | tarzeau | encryppt: yeah, best started in a gnu screen from inside /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat |
| 00:36.56 | tarzeau | ifup: NTOP? how long can you let that run? |
| 00:37.13 | tarzeau | ifup: that thing crashed all the time i needed it (and lost some traffic, and ugly stuff) |
| 00:37.19 | ifup | I let it run for days sometimes |
| 00:37.26 | tarzeau | saerdna: no idea, check the package info in /usr/share/doc/iptraf on it |
| 00:37.31 | Pythe | oops... i've got some kind of graphical login screen coming up... |
| 00:37.34 | NWarren | /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat? |
| 00:37.39 | ifup | but yes it did crash somtimes |
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| 00:37.55 | tarzeau | saerdna: not wanting to offend you, but it looks very cumbersome and ugly (just like Windows) |
| 00:39.23 | Pythe | hmm ok, looks like X went and put itself into runlevel3 |
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| 00:39.41 | shingouz | Pythe: no runlevesl here, just apt-get remove the *dm |
| 00:39.46 | saerdna | tarzeau: well i partly agree |
| 00:39.50 | shingouz | xdm, kdm gdm, what have you |
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| 00:40.38 | Pythe | ahh ok... doing that and rebooting |
| 00:41.16 | abrocadabro | how do I check the info of a specific package in resporitory? |
| 00:41.26 | michal_ | is there any way to contol what modules are loaded for 2.6.x debian packaged kernels? they default to loading everything . is this modifiable without rebuilding the kernel or the initrd image? |
| 00:42.06 | dvs | abrocadabro: apt-cache search |
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| 00:42.40 | Godric_KickingXF | jetscreamer, modeprobe mousedev gives me mousedev module not found or something simmilar to that |
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| 00:42.58 | abrocadabro | dvs: what if I need to check the descrition of what a specific package does> |
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| 00:43.00 | jetscreamer | Godric_KickingXF, was just a thought, didn't hurt though. |
| 00:43.06 | dvs | abrocadabro: apt-cache show |
| 00:43.08 | jetscreamer | 2.4 kernel i guess. |
| 00:43.17 | abrocadabro | dvs: thanks man |
| 00:43.20 | Blitx | yo |
| 00:43.24 | dvs | np |
| 00:43.27 | Godric_KickingXF | thanks anywais |
| 00:43.43 | Pythe | aww dang. It went and started x again... :( oh well whatever. Time to figure out the configs... |
| 00:43.54 | Blitx | I'm pretty excited with development with DNIRC. I'm hoping for a Mono .NET linux port after a while, too. |
| 00:44.44 | daft | I have on tty12 a dump of my messages but how can I croll up there |
| 00:45.18 | jetscreamer | cron-apt rocks |
| 00:45.43 | jetscreamer | daft sometimes shift+pageup, but next time > less or | less |
| 00:45.53 | jetscreamer | err > file |
| 00:46.13 | daft | jetscreamer, Im not loged in |
| 00:46.21 | arango | What's the difference between standby and suspend ? |
| 00:46.29 | jetscreamer | works when not logged in, shift+pgup |
| 00:46.29 | daft | it is just in the log fire * > /dev/tty12 |
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| 00:46.34 | jazzmans | why does the actual space on a hard drive vary? example; I've got 3 250 gig drives, and 3 120 gig drives. The different drives according to fdisk vary hugely in their capacity? |
| 00:46.47 | jetscreamer | unless you go graphic on it |
| 00:46.49 | daft | nope |
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| 00:46.53 | mwilson | jazzmans: They're all the same make and model? |
| 00:46.56 | jetscreamer | or the buffer gets cleared some other way |
| 00:46.57 | daft | thats why I ask here |
| 00:47.00 | jazzmans | 2 of the 260 gig drives show actual space of 189gig, and 1 shows 250 gig. |
| 00:47.04 | Blitx | test |
| 00:47.11 | Blitx | am I still here? |
| 00:47.16 | Kheldar^ | wtf is a 260gb drive |
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| 00:47.24 | Pythe | bah... what's the start of the -reconfigure xserver-xfree86 command? |
| 00:47.24 | jazzmans | 250, typo, sorry. |
| 00:47.26 | jetscreamer | daft, don't change to another console and the shift pgup wil work |
| 00:47.39 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:47.45 | Pythe | thx |
| 00:47.55 | dvs | Pythe: thx what? |
| 00:48.04 | mwilson | jetscreamer: You DO realize that now he's going to type "dpkg-reconfigure -reconfigure ...", right? |
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| 00:48.07 | daft | jetscreamer, it isnt a console it is just a screen with log stuff |
| 00:48.11 | jetscreamer | heh hope not |
| 00:48.17 | dvs | Pythe: oh, sorry |
| 00:48.17 | Pythe | lol |
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| 00:48.29 | Pythe | that would have been funny :-p |
| 00:48.43 | Flimzy | jazzmans: Are they identical drives? |
| 00:48.47 | Pythe | its ok, I just forgot the first part of that command |
| 00:48.52 | mwilson | jazzmans: Well? |
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| 00:49.11 | mwilson | Another one you have to beat details out of? |
| 00:49.17 | jetscreamer | daft, works here. log back in and reread the log |
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| 00:49.29 | jazzmans | mwilson, yes they are the same model and make. |
| 00:49.31 | jetscreamer | next time don't clear the buffer :) |
| 00:49.34 | Flimzy | jazzmans: Are they all formatted identically? |
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| 00:49.50 | jazzmans | yeah ext3 (83) |
| 00:49.57 | DarkZen | http://packages.debian.org/user-mode-linux , is there user mode linux for testing ? |
| 00:50.26 | jetscreamer | yeah just changing tty's clears it |
| 00:50.42 | jazzmans | I was surprised to see the 250 registering as 250 gig of actual space. |
| 00:50.54 | daft | jetscreamer, you dont quite understand it I have *.* /dev/tty11 and daemon.* /dev/tty12 in syslog |
| 00:51.21 | daft | I cant type there ether |
| 00:51.21 | jetscreamer | !wayttd daft |
| 00:51.22 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, daft? |
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| 00:52.01 | daft | makeing a realtime log for some cases works nice verry neat but I want to scroll up |
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| 00:52.31 | NWarren | !piss on jetscreamer |
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| 00:52.54 | daft | I think im not the only one who has that |
| 00:53.03 | jetscreamer | why |
| 00:53.11 | Optikal__ | !wayttd fart |
| 00:53.12 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, fart? |
| 00:53.18 | saerdna | wich email client do you recommend, evolution or thunderbird? |
| 00:53.31 | jetscreamer | evolution is bloated |
| 00:53.31 | dvs | saerdna: I like Evolution |
| 00:53.39 | dvs | jetscreamer: bah! |
| 00:53.47 | saerdna | dvs: hehe |
| 00:53.48 | NWarren | saerdna, mailx |
| 00:53.51 | michal_ | where exactly are the "official" experimental deb sources described? |
| 00:53.51 | saerdna | NWarren: mutt |
| 00:53.55 | daft | well 2 gentoo guys on college have it 1 m8 from my old school has it but I want to scroll up |
| 00:54.03 | NWarren | mutt is bloated |
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| 00:54.06 | NWarren | >;( |
| 00:54.07 | saerdna | NWarren: hahah |
| 00:54.12 | daft | and you start to trow basic gnu skills at me |
| 00:54.12 | jetscreamer | !tell michal_ about experimental |
| 00:54.13 | Flimzy | daft: use /var/log/* for that |
| 00:54.15 | helix | jetscreamer: evo is bloated but it's a pretty good mail client |
| 00:54.26 | daft | Flimzy, is that realtime? |
| 00:54.40 | mwilson | helix: *You* use evolution? |
| 00:54.44 | helix | mwilson: n |
| 00:54.44 | helix | o |
| 00:54.44 | daft | it is a file Flimzy |
| 00:54.47 | helix | I used to though |
| 00:54.48 | helix | pre-mutt |
| 00:54.49 | jetscreamer | helix, yeah i've used it, never a problem, but once i installed it and the dependencies were terrible for me |
| 00:54.50 | michal_ | jetscreamer: have you looked at that? it doesn't include the information I'm after |
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| 00:55.14 | mwilson | Time to see if the rest of -11 made it through the buildd's |
| 00:55.22 | jetscreamer | !factinfo experimental |
| 00:55.23 | dpkg | experimental -- last modified at Tue Oct 26 04:46:24 2004 by dondelelcaro!~don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 49 times, last by jetscreamer, 1m 11s ago. |
| 00:55.36 | mwilson | Nope... not yet. |
| 00:55.37 | daft | btw ctrl-alt f10 .. f12 is kinda faster |
| 00:55.37 | jetscreamer | it's been changed since i last saw it |
| 00:55.54 | Flimzy | daft: Of course it's a file. |
| 00:55.54 | Flimzy | daft: But if you're trying to scroll up, you're looking at HISTORY. |
| 00:55.56 | Flimzy | daft: scrolling up, by definition, defies "real time" |
| 00:55.58 | mwilson | Hm, slow buildd's |
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| 00:56.17 | Pythe | ok... so I just used dpkg-reconfigure to change my xfree86 config down to 640x480... but it didn't change how it looks at all... |
| 00:56.17 | CosmoDad | what does the debian changelog entry "new upstream release" mean? |
| 00:56.28 | michal_ | heh.. the search on the debian website doesn't work in my browser :/ |
| 00:56.31 | vulture | CosmoDad: means there was a new release, upstream.. |
| 00:56.32 | Borgon | Hello |
| 00:56.42 | vulture | CosmoDad: upstream is the place the underlying package comes from |
| 00:56.43 | dvs | Pythe: Do it manually, |
| 00:56.49 | jetscreamer | Pythe, a, did you ever edit the file by hand, and b what size is it |
| 00:57.02 | CosmoDad | vulture: it's the only changelog enrty of a package I want. Where do I get the "full" changelog? from the releaser? |
| 00:57.10 | Flimzy | daft: BTW, you can emulate dumping your logs to a tty, with much more flexibility, by using tail -f |
| 00:57.12 | CosmoDad | vulture: I mean the original author? |
| 00:57.15 | Borgon | Can anyone help me with grub/lilo on lvm over raid1 2x80GB ... It cant isntall to masterboot loader /dev/md0 , any ideas? |
| 00:57.31 | vulture | CosmoDad: /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog |
| 00:57.39 | vulture | the one that isn't called changelog.Debian |
| 00:57.52 | vulture | (the one you want might be called changelog, changelog.gz, etc..) |
| 00:57.59 | vulture | same place as all the docs. |
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| 00:58.28 | Pythe | ok, so there's two files. XF86Config and <- -4... 7849 bytes on the first, and 3034 bytes on -4 |
| 00:58.29 | NWarren | Borgon, LVM over Software Raid?? |
| 00:58.33 | burd | does nvidia driver also work with the TNT2's? |
| 00:58.38 | Flimzy | CosmoDad: probably |
| 00:58.40 | dvs | Pythe: What are the dates. |
| 00:58.45 | NWarren | Borgon, That's really suboptimal :\ |
| 00:58.51 | NWarren | :P |
| 00:58.54 | CosmoDad | vulture: I haven't installed the package yet and would like to refrain from that in this case since it would mean a lot of unstable deps in my testing box |
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| 00:59.10 | Pythe | both the 14th, each about an hour apart |
| 00:59.22 | Kvant | Borgon, maybe you should have a separate boot partition |
| 00:59.22 | CosmoDad | let me ask for something else: how can I get older versions of a debian package? |
| 00:59.22 | Flimzy | Borgon: probably because /dev/md0 doesn't *really* exist |
| 00:59.23 | Flimzy | Borgon: You need to install your boot loader to a real device. |
| 00:59.27 | CosmoDad | that is, I want to "downgrade" |
| 00:59.28 | Borgon | NWarren, yes |
| 00:59.30 | Borgon | NWarren, what do you mean suboptional? |
| 00:59.30 | Pythe | ok, -4 was modified 10 minutes ago |
| 00:59.32 | Borgon | NWarren, even when i get software raid1 .... I still cant install lilo or grub |
| 00:59.40 | dvs | Pythe: That's the one you want |
| 00:59.49 | NWarren | Borgon, Sarge Installer? |
| 01:00.06 | Borgon | Flimzy, what would be the device? if its 2x80GB with raid1 and lvm? |
| 01:00.14 | Flimzy | Borgon: /dev/md0 is "created" by the kernel after boot. |
| 01:00.14 | Flimzy | burd: AFAIK |
| 01:00.18 | NWarren | Borgon, RC2 completely broken :/ |
| 01:00.26 | Pythe | hrm... do I need all these modules? probably not... |
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| 01:00.36 | NP_complete | hi |
| 01:00.36 | dvs | Pythe: yes. most of them |
| 01:00.44 | NP_complete | where is kfmclient? |
| 01:00.56 | Flimzy | CosmoDad: archives.debian.org might help you. |
| 01:00.57 | Flimzy | CosmoDad: or is it archive.debian.org, I don't recall |
| 01:00.59 | Flimzy | CosmoDad: Altho it probably only has versions that came with official releases. |
| 01:01.04 | FieldySnuts | booting off of software raid is a tremendous pain. my recommendation is to have a non-raid partition and use that as boot |
| 01:01.04 | Pythe | oh :-p |
| 01:01.05 | NWarren | NP_complete, apt-cache search ! |
| 01:01.29 | Borgon | NWarren, if its broken, why the f**** do they have it =( i spent 15 hours on this already |
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| 01:01.38 | Flimzy | Borgon: I don't know. You should know that if you set up the RAID. |
| 01:01.44 | debian | FieldySnuts: and non-jfs. :) |
| 01:01.49 | NWarren | Borgon, It's called -testing for a reason :P |
| 01:01.52 | CosmoDad | Flimzy: ok... maybe my local repository still has it? |
| 01:02.00 | Borgon | Flimzy, any recommendation? |
| 01:02.08 | michal_ | is this correct? i found it on some website.. deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 01:02.22 | NWarren | debian, I can boot from JFS fine |
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| 01:02.29 | Flimzy | Borgon: Do you you have a RAID controller? |
| 01:02.29 | mwilson | Borgon: If you think it's broken, file a bug report. How else do you think things get fixed? |
| 01:02.46 | debian | NWarren: you can't doesn't mean you should. Why is making a seperate /boot so difficult? |
| 01:02.53 | NWarren | mwilson, There are already about 15 bug reports about this ;) |
| 01:02.55 | NP_complete | NWarren:It doen't find anything |
| 01:02.55 | debian | can |
| 01:03.06 | mwilson | NWarren: <shrug> |
| 01:03.12 | NWarren | debian, Right :) |
| 01:03.27 | debian | :) |
| 01:03.37 | NWarren | I usually have a separate boot which is ext3 :) |
| 01:03.45 | FieldySnuts | if you're using software raid and you want to boot off it 1) fight for it for hours or more to make it do so or 2) have a non-raid /boot partition, and boot off that. otherwise piss off. |
| 01:03.55 | Borgon | NWarren, the sarge installer sucks and dodesnt give much information.. |
| 01:03.57 | Flimzy | mwilson: They get fixed when all-knowing Microsoft fixes them, of course! |
| 01:03.58 | Flimzy | CosmoDad: I don't know. |
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| 01:04.31 | NWarren | Borgon, Listen to fieldy |
| 01:04.33 | NWarren | snuts |
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| 01:04.49 | Flimzy | CosmoDad: Since I have no idea what your local repository consist of |
| 01:04.49 | Flimzy | Borgon: recommendation for what? |
| 01:04.55 | Borgon | Flimzy, no its software raid |
| 01:05.00 | gothtec | woody go home |
| 01:05.19 | Pythe | wewt, I found out that its an active matrix on my laptop |
| 01:05.32 | edt | on a 2.6 system is there a dynamic way to set the bdflush/update parms |
| 01:05.54 | debian | Pythe: did it say "Neo, Wake up |
| 01:06.03 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:06.06 | NWarren | lol |
| 01:06.13 | michal_ | i don't get it.. not only can't i find the new xen packages in experimental but the existing packages in testing have disappeared from the package database :/ |
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| 01:06.20 | CosmoDad | Flimzy: I mean I've installed the package before so I should have an older version of it... actually I do, but it seems too old, |
| 01:06.29 | Flimzy | hmm... if that linebreak were one character later... |
| 01:06.35 | Pythe | "Wake up, Pythe. Follow the white rabbit." |
| 01:06.40 | Bac9 | is there any way to mount an nfs share and see anything mounted in it on the remote box? |
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| 01:06.45 | Borgon | lol |
| 01:06.45 | Borgon | thank you |
| 01:06.49 | Borgon | NWarren, you recommend lvm over raid1 since ill be dealing with lvm storage with xen? |
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| 01:06.54 | Borgon | FieldySnuts, How big should the /boot be? 200MB ? I will be installing xen and other stuff so ill need another space |
| 01:07.03 | dvs | Borgon: About 10MB. |
| 01:07.06 | debian | Bac9: unless exploited |
| 01:07.17 | Bac9 | debian: ?? |
| 01:07.17 | michal_ | borgon: xen 1.2 ? |
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| 01:07.55 | bobesponja | does anyone know why I get plenty of "preg_match: internal pcre_fullinfo() error -3 in" on my phpmyadmin install? |
| 01:08.12 | debian | Bac9: unless, of course, it's a trick question and everything mounted on remote box are nfs-exported |
| 01:08.13 | Flimzy | CosmoDad: Debian doesn't intentionally hang on to old installed versions of pacakges. |
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| 01:09.11 | Pythe | dinner time, back later. |
| 01:09.12 | Borgon | michal_, the stable release |
| 01:09.14 | Borgon | Final question |
| 01:09.18 | CosmoDad | Flimzy: yes I just read about it too, thanks for the hint. |
| 01:09.18 | Borgon | lol someone told me this last night but i didnt listen... Do i have /boot in both hds or just the 1st ? |
| 01:09.22 | Bac9 | debian: I am trying to mount /mnt/ of a remote box, the remote box has things mounted under /mnt/othermountpoint/ , but on the local box I can't see that through nfs |
| 01:09.22 | Borgon | mcmehl2 but i think you need a /boot partition without raid |
| 01:09.24 | Borgon | mcmehl2 to load kernel and raiddriver |
| 01:09.26 | Borgon | mcmehl2 boot should have 100-160MB on your hd |
| 01:09.28 | Borgon | mcmehl2 you have to set it on bvooth hdds |
| 01:09.31 | Borgon | mcmehl2 with exaxt the same size |
| 01:09.32 | Borgon | mcmehl2 so you can boot up if 1 hdd isn't operable |
| 01:09.34 | Bac9 | debian: what am I doing wrong? |
| 01:09.34 | Borgon | mcmehl2 all right? |
| 01:09.39 | debian | Bac9: permission? |
| 01:09.49 | Bac9 | debian: which and for whom? |
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| 01:10.14 | debian | Bac9: the other mount point, the user |
| 01:10.42 | Bac9 | debhelper: what should they be? |
| 01:10.50 | Bac9 | debian: what should they be? |
| 01:11.00 | Kvant | Borgon, you only have kernel(s), initrd image(s), and the boot loader itself on the /boot partition, so it need not be very large |
| 01:11.27 | FieldySnuts | i think he's lagged |
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| 01:11.54 | Borgon | FieldySnuts, do i have to make a non raided /boot partition on both hard drives or just 1? |
| 01:11.55 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 01:11.56 | ralf | Hi all! |
| 01:12.05 | michal_ | i'm VERY confused.. has xen disappeared from testing in the last couple of hours? |
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| 01:12.14 | squigly | I wonder if any one has ever seen a contacts database back end for evolution? |
| 01:12.16 | FieldySnuts | Borgon: just one, but you may as well on the others too, and just keep them in sync manualy with your main boot partition |
| 01:12.22 | sussudio | !why isn't xen in testing |
| 01:12.25 | FieldySnuts | Borgon: they can serve as a kind of lame backup |
| 01:12.29 | debian | Bac9: I dunno know. what are they? |
| 01:12.32 | sussudio | !why is xen not in testing |
| 01:12.34 | dpkg | xen is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xen |
| 01:12.36 | Borgon | Kvant, So have it on both hard drives? so if 1 fails i can boot? |
| 01:12.42 | Kvant | Borgon, yes |
| 01:12.45 | debian | !xwn |
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| 01:12.46 | FieldySnuts | @lart herbi for messaging me without asking |
| 01:12.50 | debian | !xen |
| 01:12.50 | dpkg | from memory, xen is A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. |
| 01:13.11 | debian | look cool |
| 01:13.16 | michal_ | did this only just happen? |
| 01:13.51 | CosmoDad | Flimzy: how'd I install a particular version of a given package version? I added snapshot.debian.org apt-get archive and tried to apt-get k3b_0.11.17-1 but apt-get says it can't find the package |
| 01:13.53 | michal_ | ssussudio: and thanks for the pointer |
| 01:13.57 | Borgon | ok so have 100mb /boot on hda1 and hda2 .. and make the rest raid 1 ? Then convert the raid1 78GB to LVM volume and make lvm ext3 ? |
| 01:14.07 | Bac9 | debian: for the remote box? just rw in /etc/exports |
| 01:14.13 | FieldySnuts | i don't know jack about lvm, sorry |
| 01:14.14 | Bac9 | debian: what should I set them to? |
| 01:14.24 | FieldySnuts | yeah this guy's lagged |
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| 01:14.37 | debian | Bac9: the permission of the directory |
| 01:15.13 | debian | Borgon: well......your setup would increase instability of your system |
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| 01:15.21 | Bac9 | debian: in the filesystem 755 |
| 01:15.50 | FieldySnuts | boot on software raid is what's instable. goof up your initrd and say bye bye |
| 01:17.26 | Godric_KickingXF | ok... looks like I've got my mouse fixed, what driver should I use for the voodoo3 chipset by 3dfx |
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| 01:18.07 | michal_ | how would i go about grabbing a bunch of debs and creating a pseudo repository for them so that I could install the with apt-get rather than dpkg (so that dependancies are automatically handled).. is there some sort of mini howto for something like that? what should I search for? |
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| 01:18.24 | stew | michal_: /msg dpkg repository howto |
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| 01:19.52 | michal_ | stew: cool.. thanks |
| 01:20.07 | xnotte | what's the package to use mplayer in firefox ? |
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| 01:20.39 | sgeigerbot | CosmoDad: If you want a particular package, you can just download it manually and install with "dpkg -i <package-file.deb>" |
| 01:20.41 | FieldySnuts | 'use'? just have it launch it when it calls those vids |
| 01:21.03 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: pick on brycem. look at the host. |
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| 01:21.47 | helix | huh |
| 01:22.28 | sgeigerbot | xnotte: mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org |
| 01:22.39 | sgeigerbot | xnotte: well, it may not work for FF. |
| 01:22.47 | xnotte | ok thx |
| 01:23.03 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: they'll probably try to patent it. |
| 01:23.06 | sgeigerbot | xnotte: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/firefox-linux.html |
| 01:23.12 | sussudio | !fuck brycem |
| 01:23.19 | FieldySnuts | @lart brycem |
| 01:23.20 | michal_ | !search scanpackages |
| 01:23.20 | xnotte | it didnt produced any results |
| 01:23.29 | FieldySnuts | bbl food. |
| 01:23.43 | michal_ | ok.. guess that's not how it works |
| 01:23.52 | Flimzy | CosmoDad: I'm not sure. I've never had a reason to do that. Refer to the apt-get man page. Or optionally, you can download the specific package/version you need manually with an FTP client or wget, then install it with dpkg -i |
| 01:24.12 | xnotte | sgeigerbot, i don't have in sid, mozilla-mplayer |
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| 01:24.30 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: Okay, this is working out great. So, I'd like to do it this way from now on: When I enter the channel, I'll pick on you until you have a better person for me to pick on. |
| 01:24.38 | stew | michal_: your looking for dpkg-scanpackages; /msg dpkg search |
| 01:24.38 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: i don't give a shit. |
| 01:24.59 | FieldySnuts | go play with Phated, sgeigerbot, she'll be nice with her knives. |
| 01:25.02 | michal_ | stew: seems to be find actually |
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| 01:25.14 | sgeigerbot | michal_: apt-proxy - Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder |
| 01:25.20 | FieldySnuts | food bye |
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| 01:26.02 | sgeigerbot | michal_: actually, check out debmirror, as well. |
| 01:26.30 | michal_ | sgeiger: the files i want to get have "disappeared" from experimental (or perhaps they never really got there).. so I need to build my own Packages.gz ,etc from the files at http://people.debian.org/~doogie/packages/ |
| 01:27.29 | sgeigerbot | michal_: why are you using experimental? It has laws like quantum physics. You should stick to the real world. It will be easier to understand: stable, testing, unstable. |
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| 01:27.34 | xnotte | sgeigerbot, i don't have in sid, mozilla-mplayer |
| 01:27.47 | sgeigerbot | xnotte: go to that url I gave you. |
| 01:28.02 | hikenboot | ok heres my question I will ask it again |
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| 01:28.06 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: i consider this an exception. i want to try out xen 2.0 |
| 01:28.07 | im_ka | hi |
| 01:28.19 | hikenboot | if i specify in the etc fstab |
| 01:28.21 | im_ka | is there a way i can change my nic cards physical ip? |
| 01:28.26 | sgeigerbot | michal_: I'm using xen 2.0 ...and I don't use experimental. |
| 01:28.32 | dvs | im_ka: physical IP? |
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| 01:28.39 | im_ka | dvs mac adress |
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| 01:28.42 | sgeigerbot | michal_: what's wrong with your install of xen? |
| 01:28.48 | hikenboot | /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 01:28.48 | hikenboot | /dev/hdb /cdrom0 auto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0 |
| 01:28.48 | hikenboot | /dev/hdb /dvd udf ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0 |
| 01:28.49 | dvs | im_ka: Not that I know of |
| 01:28.52 | Flimzy | im_ka: There's no such thing as a physical IP |
| 01:28.56 | xnotte | sgeigerbot, i'm there, doesnt refer to debian in anything |
| 01:29.02 | hikenboot | it would mount any dvd or cdrom |
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| 01:29.03 | dvs | im_ka: If you have a router, you can set that MAC address |
| 01:29.04 | mwilson | Ah, no wonder -11 isn't making its way to the archives |
| 01:29.07 | hikenboot | on boot whatever is in there |
| 01:29.12 | hikenboot | and error out on the others |
| 01:29.12 | sgeigerbot | xnotte: so? Who said it does? |
| 01:29.17 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: i don't want to play with locally built packages.. it elways ends badly when all available time suddenly gets sucked up in a black hole.. |
| 01:29.25 | im_ka | Flimzy, sorry it`s mac adress |
| 01:29.25 | jetscreamer | hey so if nfs sucks or whatever, what should one use |
| 01:29.27 | hikenboot | but how do i dynamically change this in kde? |
| 01:29.27 | jetscreamer | that's a discover bug i bet... |
| 01:29.34 | xnotte | sgeigerbot, there isn't any package for debian ?! |
| 01:29.48 | K9-Cop|afk | question: after doing a dist-upgrade (which included kde 3.3 among other things), when my graphical login pops up my keyboard stops working. I have to select Console login in order to do anything. Is this a known issue? |
| 01:29.49 | hikenboot | so i can insert and remove a dvd/cdrom in my cdrom/dvd device |
| 01:30.02 | jetscreamer | !nfs |
| 01:30.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or http://www.j-mulders.demon.nl/unix/nis-rpc/doc/rpc/nfs-v2-protocol-specification.html for some gory details.. No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs' |
| 01:30.08 | hikenboot | and have it launch the proper progams |
| 01:30.13 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: besides. these packages have been worked on for quite some time. i think they're plenty stable enough to to use for testing purposes |
| 01:30.17 | jetscreamer | !afs |
| 01:30.17 | dpkg | methinks afs is a distributed file system with a common name space. the Andrew filesystem, or <afs> i heard maintaining AFS is a pain in the ass, or http://www.openafs.org/ |
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| 01:30.25 | sgeigerbot | michal_: I wouldn't even bother turning this into a package. Trust me on this. I've installed Xen a dozen times now. It works great without building packages. |
| 01:30.41 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: That depends on your exact needs. |
| 01:30.41 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: For some exact needs, NFS is still okay to use. |
| 01:30.54 | sgeigerbot | michal_: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/readmes/user/ |
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| 01:31.03 | im_ka | dvs my isp assigns the service to a specific mac adress. i need to call and tell them the new one, but it takes like one hour til they activate it. and theres`s smac under winblows so i thouhgt i`d find smthg similar |
| 01:31.11 | mwilson | hm, -11 is available in source... |
| 01:31.21 | dvs | im_ka: do you use a router? |
| 01:31.39 | sgeigerbot | michal_: ...and remember this: Experimental is not used for the purpose you are trying to use it. That is why you are having problems. Don't use experimental. |
| 01:31.48 | dvs | mwilson: 2.6.11? |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | *ever* |
| 01:31.52 | im_ka | dvs no |
| 01:32.06 | dvs | im_ka: Then I don't know how you can do it. |
| 01:32.22 | Flimzy | im_ka: it's possible in Linux, but I don't know how (i've never had a need to ). |
| 01:32.22 | Flimzy | im_ka: I'd search google |
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| 01:32.39 | im_ka | Flimzy, i am :) |
| 01:32.40 | sgeigerbot | michal_: Btw, there is a small but resilliant xen channel at #xen on freenode. |
| 01:32.51 | jariep1_ | can somebody tell me where to go to get help with wine? |
| 01:32.52 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: you don't understand the problem :) it's not in experimental even though the maintainer submitted it there at least 10 days ago |
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| 01:33.02 | Maneit | jariep1_: #cedega |
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| 01:33.07 | jariep1_ | ok |
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| 01:33.12 | im_ka | dvs why, is it possible to rename a router`s mac? just out of interest |
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| 01:33.24 | sgeigerbot | michal_: I dont' think you understand: Do not use experimental. This is for the maintainers...not for people like you, a user. |
| 01:33.29 | FieldySnuts | im_ka: you can change the MAC of some NIC's using ifconfig, man ifconfig |
| 01:33.44 | sgeigerbot | michal_: they will remove packages whenever they like, as they aren't putting the packages there for users. |
| 01:33.49 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: so fundamentally i'm not going to use experimental. i'm going to manually iinstall apckages from his website.. i guess now that the word "experimental" leaves the equation it's a lot safer ;P |
| 01:34.07 | Maneit | FieldySnuts: Really? I though every NIC had a unique MAC? |
| 01:34.12 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: the maintainer seems to disagree :/ |
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| 01:34.16 | FieldySnuts | they do but you can override some |
| 01:34.23 | FieldySnuts | it's not permanent, it's temporary |
| 01:34.27 | sgeigerbot | michal_: consider experimental to be non-existent...and totally untested. |
| 01:34.42 | Flimzy | im_ka: Because many routers let you specify the mac, or they "borrow" the MAC from your PC's NIC |
| 01:34.44 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00261.html |
| 01:34.49 | Maneit | FieldySnuts: I guess mac-adress accesslists in wireless routers isn't that secure, then? |
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| 01:35.03 | FieldySnuts | Maneit: nope, it's just one way to keep most out |
| 01:35.11 | Maneit | okay |
| 01:35.34 | FieldySnuts | wireless is inherently insecure. we had a nasty debate about this yesterday, so I don't want to get into it. you cannot fully secure it. |
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| 01:35.47 | Maneit | I kinda figured |
| 01:36.15 | michal_ | you cannot fully secure wired either if you want to be pedantic |
| 01:36.31 | kirbymeister | wireless is insecure due to the fact that it is on a medium that anyone with a reciever can recieve |
| 01:36.32 | FieldySnuts | yada yada see yesterday, i covered that |
| 01:36.55 | kirbymeister | plus wireless, every piece of matter not at absolute zero is interfearing with your connection |
| 01:36.57 | sgeigerbot | michal_: That message says *NOTHING* to negate what I have said. You should install xen using the URL I gave you. |
| 01:37.23 | DistroTalkAdmin | anyone here have experience with phpbb that can help me, moderator and people in phpbb irc channel told me to fuck off, i need help from someone who isn't ignorant and selfish please :) |
| 01:37.36 | FieldySnuts | came to the wrong place |
| 01:37.49 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: as soon as you make a deb package out of it and call it stable :P i'm not interested in compiling anything inside a virtual machine running x86 os on a g3 500mhz |
| 01:38.25 | kingsley | DistroTalkAdmin: Have you tried searching Google's web and usenet archives? |
| 01:39.05 | sgeigerbot | michal_: perhaps cross-compiling is an option. |
| 01:39.16 | im_ka | http://www.alobbs.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=macc&file=index |
| 01:39.23 | sgeigerbot | michal_: or just compile it overnight. |
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| 01:39.42 | jetscreamer | my webhost supplies phpbb |
| 01:39.56 | jetscreamer | i can sell it to you properly configured |
| 01:40.06 | jetscreamer | a site with... |
| 01:40.08 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 01:40.23 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: i don't really have the resources to play with compiling at all.. i know I COULD do it at home but the point is to allow non-techincal users to do this. and make it as automated as possible |
| 01:40.29 | helix | I'm pretty sure no one cares |
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| 01:41.02 | jack|w | So I have this "X" in the middle of my gnome session. I can't figure out what program it's associated with. |
| 01:41.09 | jack|w | It just appears when Gnome loads |
| 01:41.22 | Pythe | hmm... that |
| 01:41.30 | jack|w | anyone ever seen that? |
| 01:41.32 | sgeigerbot | michal_: what are you talking about? You are going to let non-technical users install xen? Ummm...what? Technical users have problems installing Xen...this is not yet ready for your grandma. |
| 01:41.34 | Pythe | *that's the X cursor I belive |
| 01:41.43 | dvs | jack|w: It sounds like an X pointer. |
| 01:41.50 | jstevens | jack|w: sounds like the mouse pointer |
| 01:42.04 | sgeigerbot | michal_: non-technical users don't compile kernels (at least, not where I live). |
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| 01:42.09 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: too bad. if it's any easier than uml I want to try it and see |
| 01:42.17 | jack|w | Pythe: yeah but i have a pointer already that's working. :) |
| 01:42.22 | jack|w | Pythe: which is why it's confusing me. |
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| 01:42.31 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: i don't NEED to compile a kernel for this |
| 01:42.53 | Pythe | I don't know much :-p I just recognise the pointer |
| 01:43.39 | hypnox | jack|w check your X log for info about what pointers X thinks it has |
| 01:43.49 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: http://einstein.speech-design.de/~br/kernel-image-xen/ |
| 01:43.52 | sgeigerbot | michal_: It sure would be nice if xen were ready for average people...but it isn't now. |
| 01:44.02 | jack|w | hypnox: it looks like it thinks there's just the mouse. |
| 01:44.05 | jack|w | one line for "corepointer" |
| 01:44.27 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: is it much more complicated than uml? |
| 01:44.29 | sgeigerbot | michal_: btw, I know it doesn't have to be compiled...but it does work better that way...and, when you start talking about this taking a long time to install, I assume you are talking about compiling it... |
| 01:44.54 | hypnox | jack|w tried cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep ointer |
| 01:44.59 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: having fun pulling teeth? |
| 01:45.17 | sgeigerbot | michal_: ah, that's interesting. |
| 01:45.24 | jack|w | hypnox: that's what i did. just the "Option 'corepointer'" and "configured mouse: core pointer" lines |
| 01:45.34 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: some people don't think about what they want to do before they start doing it. |
| 01:45.41 | Schlafschwein | does anyone know how to do ethernet-address-based traffic accounting? |
| 01:46.20 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: it's complicated.. i'm currently working on my laptop.. a g3 500mhz running osx. on top of that i run virtual pc running debian x86. and inside that i will run xen.. and it's this way because otherwise i wouldn't be able to test it at all. if i find that it's usable (speed is not what i am measuring here) then i might be able to get a spare computer to try this on properly |
| 01:46.22 | sgeigerbot | Schlafschwein: would ipac-ng work? |
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| 01:47.30 | Schlafschwein | sgeigerbot dont think so, it doesnt support mac filtering(?) because iptables dont have a mac dest match |
| 01:47.47 | FieldySnuts | yes it does |
| 01:47.56 | sgeigerbot | michal_: Okay, I'm glad you explained this. I would be quite surprised if xen runs under Virtual PC. Virtual PC probably knows nothing about the Xen architecture...and Xen probably wasn't designed with the thought of running under Virtual PC. (I'd be shocked as heck if it was.) |
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| 01:48.15 | sgeigerbot | Schlafschwein: are you sure about that? |
| 01:48.31 | Schlafschwein | im sure about iptables |
| 01:48.44 | sgeigerbot | Schlafschwein: ok, then what about arptables? |
| 01:48.45 | Schlafschwein | only -m mac source filtering |
| 01:48.46 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: xen runs on linux.. linux runs under virtual pc.. i see no problem.. it may be SLOW as hell but it should still run |
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| 01:49.09 | Schlafschwein | *checking |
| 01:49.20 | sgeigerbot | michal_: no, it doesn't work that way. |
| 01:49.38 | sgeigerbot | michal_: xen is running *on the hardware* |
| 01:50.07 | sgeigerbot | michal_: more accurately: xenolinux is running on the hardware. |
| 01:50.41 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: the xen kernel boots ok.. i know this doesn't mean anything.. but i still want to try it and see what happens |
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| 01:50.47 | sgeigerbot | michal_: just try to install vmware inside vmware sometime.. or virtual pc inside virtual pc... |
| 01:51.26 | sgeigerbot | michal_: try the xen mailing list. Those guys know for sure. |
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| 01:52.25 | sgeigerbot | Schlafschwein: does that look like what you need? |
| 01:52.26 | jack|w | there, god it |
| 01:52.32 | Schlafschwein | maybe |
| 01:52.39 | jack|w | stupid Savage has problems if you don't disable the hwcursor. |
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| 01:54.01 | sgeigerbot | Schlafschwein: this may have a solution for you: https://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter-devel/2005-January/018005.html |
| 01:55.47 | arango | What's the difference between standby and suspend ? |
| 01:56.13 | Schlafschwein | read that before |
| 01:56.13 | bob2 | suspend = suspend-to-ram |
| 01:56.18 | bob2 | battery runs down slowly |
| 01:56.28 | bob2 | standy = suspend-to-disk, battery doesn't run down at all |
| 01:56.40 | Schlafschwein | stop googling arptables may be perfect |
| 01:56.42 | asuffield | or at least, more slowly |
| 01:56.47 | Schlafschwein | and thx :) |
| 01:56.48 | bob2 | well, yeah |
| 01:56.52 | arango | standy ? Isn't that hybernating ? |
| 01:57.03 | bob2 | you spelt both those words wrong. |
| 01:57.22 | helix | and happened to be french in the process |
| 01:57.31 | nevyn | bob2: standby == ram suspend == disk |
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| 01:57.36 | sgeigerbot | Schlafschwein: np |
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| 01:57.54 | bob2 | hm, I use them the other way round |
| 01:58.14 | arango | bob2: are you saying that standby and hibernating are the same thing ? |
| 01:58.19 | bob2 | no |
| 01:58.26 | asuffield | "standby" is usually just "switch off the backlight, panel, and hard drives, and idle the cpu" anyway |
| 01:58.40 | bob2 | apparently everyone uses them differently to me anyway |
| 01:58.45 | helix | from |
| 01:58.49 | asuffield | not many people bother with suspend-to-ram |
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| 01:59.25 | bob2 | suspend-to-ram is awesome |
| 01:59.48 | zinx | too bad it sucks so much in linux ;) |
| 01:59.51 | sgeigerbot | bob2: I think you might be confused. I think suspend-to-disk==standby-mode and suspend-to-ram==suspend-mode. |
| 01:59.58 | bob2 | zinx: works flawlessly for me |
| 02:00.01 | asuffield | it's not really linux. there's little hardware which implements suspend-to-ram in a useful fashion |
| 02:00.03 | helix | is there an option in irssi to get the /away log to show you which network stuff happened on? |
| 02:00.08 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: apparently I use them differently to everyone else |
| 02:00.15 | helix | from from from |
| 02:00.21 | sgeigerbot | bob2: well, damn it, let's standardize. |
| 02:00.23 | bob2 | helix: add hilights for them and they'll go into your awaylog |
| 02:00.29 | helix | bob2: what? |
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| 02:00.34 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: I'm standardising on suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk |
| 02:00.36 | asuffield | unfortunately there's a decent amount of hardware that implements suspend-to-ram in a *broken* fashion |
| 02:00.44 | bob2 | right |
| 02:00.49 | bob2 | which is why everyone should own x40's. |
| 02:00.49 | asuffield | which is not helpful |
| 02:00.53 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Yeah, that would be great...but the world don't work that way, my friend. |
| 02:01.04 | helix | bob2: what are you talking about adding hilights for them? for what? |
| 02:01.05 | bob2 | does for me. |
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| 02:01.20 | arango | so standby is to ram and suspend is to disk ? |
| 02:01.22 | sgeigerbot | bob2: There's also "software suspend" ...which I would guess is the same as suspend-to-ram...but I'm not sure. |
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| 02:01.32 | bob2 | no, it's not |
| 02:01.35 | asuffield | sgeigerbot: they *did* "standardize". "standardizing" is masturbation that accomplishes nothing, as ACPI has very aptly demonstrated |
| 02:01.35 | zinx | "software suspend" is suspend-to-disk, implemented in software |
| 02:01.38 | Phated | helix: For the network events, I think he means. /hilight whatever. |
| 02:01.40 | arango | what about hibernate ? because kdelaptop has hibernate also ? |
| 02:01.46 | bob2 | arango: I don't think the words have useful general meanings |
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| 02:01.49 | helix | uhh, I don't see how that's going to help me |
| 02:01.51 | bob2 | hibernate = suspend-to-doisk |
| 02:01.58 | asuffield | unless you're a bear |
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| 02:02.02 | bob2 | helix: maybe you can't hilight network notices |
| 02:02.07 | Vladi | hi, how do i tell kde it is prelinked after prelinking my whole system? |
| 02:02.10 | asuffield | in which case it means "eat lots and go to sleep" |
| 02:02.14 | bob2 | helix: but if you set a /hiligt on things, they appear in the away log |
| 02:02.16 | helix | I don't even know what a network notice is |
| 02:02.21 | bob2 | Vladi: it doesn't care |
| 02:02.22 | arango | I want to know what the mean in Linux acpi |
| 02:02.25 | helix | bob2: I know, but I'm referring to nick hilights I get |
| 02:02.28 | bob2 | arango: they mean nothing |
| 02:02.34 | asuffield | arango: linux's ACPI implementation does not use these words |
| 02:02.38 | bob2 | arango: in acpi there's s1, s2, s3 and s4. |
| 02:02.40 | Vladi | bob2: i tought it uses less kdeinit's |
| 02:02.40 | bob2 | that's all |
| 02:02.41 | helix | and in the away log it just says eg, #debian-foo: blah blah |
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| 02:02.46 | asuffield | bob2: also s0 and s5 |
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| 02:02.52 | sgeigerbot | bob2: No, I think "software suspend" is suspend to disk based on this from menuconfig: ??????????????????????????????????????????? Software Suspend (EXPERIMENTAL) CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND: Enable the possibilty of suspendig machine. It doesn't need APM. You may suspend your machine by 'swsusp' or 'shutdown -z <time>' (patch for sysvinit needed). It creates an image which is saved in your active swaps. By the next booti |
| 02:02.52 | sgeigerbot | ng the, pass 'resume=/dev/swappartition' and kernel will... |
| 02:02.53 | Borgon | Hello |
| 02:02.55 | bob2 | hm, right |
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| 02:03.06 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: yes, software suspend is suspend to ram done in the kernel |
| 02:03.10 | bob2 | independant of any hardware support |
| 02:03.13 | xlulux | hi guys, i would like to be introduced into your community |
| 02:03.13 | bob2 | er, suspend to disk |
| 02:03.19 | asuffield | s5 being the state where everything is off except the +5VSB line which drives the power switch, wake-on-lan, wake-on-timer, etc |
| 02:03.27 | xlulux | i just installed colinux :-D after a 1.5 hyatus from linux |
| 02:03.33 | arango | bob2: where is it explain what all those mean ? |
| 02:03.33 | bob2 | helix: what more do yo uwant it to show? |
| 02:03.37 | sgeigerbot | bob2: ah, gotcha. |
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| 02:03.40 | helix | bob2: which network it happened on |
| 02:03.48 | helix | bob2: like, #debian-foo:oftc |
| 02:03.50 | bob2 | helix: oh, oops, misintrpreted you |
| 02:03.54 | helix | apparently :) |
| 02:03.59 | asuffield | just to make sure that your battery runs down, I guess |
| 02:04.01 | Borgon | Can someone help me in partitioning hds for raid1? Where do i make the /boot apart from raid, in hda1 or hda2 or in both? i tried both and i get error |
| 02:04.14 | sussudio | BAD COMMAND INTERPRETER |
| 02:04.27 | sussudio | slap bob2 to reboot |
| 02:04.45 | helix | heh |
| 02:04.52 | bob2 | arango: in the kernel source, Documentation/power/ |
| 02:04.58 | helix | anyway |
| 02:05.04 | helix | so NO ONE has ever gotten this to work on irssi? |
| 02:05.08 | arango | thanks |
| 02:05.15 | bob2 | if only there were some sort of irssi IRC channel! |
| 02:05.20 | helix | :( |
| 02:05.27 | helix | bob2: you're inadequate |
| 02:05.31 | Phated | helix: We usually know what networks the channels we're on are on. :) |
| 02:05.41 | sgeigerbot | asuffield: The one good thing I must say in favor of standardization (aka, masturbation) is that there is no arguing afterwards. |
| 02:05.43 | bob2 | helix: you're on too many networks with similar named channels |
| 02:05.46 | helix | Phated: some networks have channels which are named the exact same thing as other networks |
| 02:05.59 | asuffield | sgeigerbot: where have you been? there's even *more* arguing afterwards |
| 02:06.01 | Phated | helix: Which is why I'm only on one network. XD |
| 02:06.15 | helix | bob2: you're still inadequate |
| 02:06.21 | bob2 | bah. |
| 02:06.25 | bob2 | no goss for you then. |
| 02:06.32 | helix | you weren't going to give it to me anyway |
| 02:06.32 | asuffield | Phated: lies! you frequent the smut networks, we all know about it |
| 02:06.36 | helix | or you would have already |
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| 02:06.41 | sgeigerbot | asuffield: are you talking about standardizatoin or masturbation? |
| 02:06.42 | helix | smut networks are so stupid |
| 02:06.48 | Phated | asuffield: No. |
| 02:06.57 | asuffield | sgeigerbot: <shrug> either |
| 02:07.34 | sgeigerbot | IMO9660 |
| 02:07.36 | bob2 | keep it clean. |
| 02:07.40 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
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| 02:07.57 | asuffield | preferably, keep it locked away |
| 02:08.02 | helix | I'm confused |
| 02:08.07 | helix | people argue after masturbating? |
| 02:08.23 | shingouz | helix: split personalities i guess |
| 02:08.23 | bahamat | does anyone know a handy way to get a formatted date string from an epoch value without using perl? |
| 02:08.24 | asuffield | helix: think it through :P |
| 02:08.25 | sgeigerbot | helix: I don't understand that either. |
| 02:08.52 | asuffield | bahamat: do it *with* using perl |
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| 02:09.20 | mwilson | Use date? |
| 02:09.25 | bahamat | asuffield: but I'm only writing a tiny shell script and I don't need perl |
| 02:09.34 | asuffield | you do now |
| 02:09.37 | sgeigerbot | bahamat: bahamat does python count? |
| 02:09.48 | bahamat | mwilson: how? the -d switch won't accept an epoch as a value |
| 02:09.54 | bahamat | sgeigerbot: no ;-P |
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| 02:10.51 | bahamat | basically, I'm in PST and I need a %Y%m%d-%H%M value for GMT-1 |
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| 02:11.05 | dan2 | bahamat: use date |
| 02:11.06 | dodat | hey, total noob needs some help... anyone willing to help? |
| 02:11.15 | dan2 | ~tell dodat about ask |
| 02:11.39 | bahamat | dan2: ok, how do I tell date "give me the date for foo" where foo is an epoch value? |
| 02:12.02 | Phated | man date? |
| 02:12.12 | Phated | Heh, mandate. XD |
| 02:12.18 | bahamat | Phated: you man date, I've been looking at it for an hour and you can't do that |
| 02:12.25 | sgeigerbot | bahamat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_epoch Start reading at "The Unix epoch is the time 00:00:00 UTC on January 1, 1970" |
| 02:12.31 | zinx | bahamat: you mean, a unix timestamp? |
| 02:12.46 | sgeigerbot | bahamat: I think that will put you on your way. If not, I'll try to puzzle through it. |
| 02:12.47 | bahamat | date accepts -d, but -d can't be a unix timestamp |
| 02:12.51 | bahamat | yes, I mean unix timestamp |
| 02:12.58 | Pythe | ok, I'm trying to configure my Xserver here... I have an active matrix LCD screen, and I'm pretty sure I remember an option for that somewhere... anyone know this? |
| 02:13.00 | dodat | i just installed Knoppix (trying to get MythTV working) and I guess it's a very bare bones system. I'm tryint o compile something (ivtv) and getting this error msg: "/lib/modules/2.6.9-chw-4/build: no such file or directory. Stop." ... how do i fix this?? |
| 02:13.09 | dan2 | bahamat: man date |
| 02:13.33 | bahamat | dan2: you man date |
| 02:13.41 | shingouz | Pythe: did you do a google for the specific omnibook already? if it has a passive matrix you might need some real odd values |
| 02:13.56 | bahamat | dan2: I've read the man page several times, and as I already mentioned, -d does not accept unix timestamps |
| 02:14.02 | sgeigerbot | dan2: We remember that you are beta3. |
| 02:14.03 | Pythe | yeah I googled it already and it was pretty clear that its active matrix |
| 02:14.10 | shingouz | sec |
| 02:14.12 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 02:14.29 | zinx | bahamat: perl -e 'print join(' ', localtime(foo)), "\n";' :P |
| 02:14.31 | zinx | erh |
| 02:14.32 | zinx | " " |
| 02:14.53 | mwilson | Hm -11 doesn't build, either. |
| 02:15.01 | bahamat | zinx: yea, I know that, but my original stipulation was that I don't want to have to resort to perl |
| 02:15.11 | arango | I have a process called knodemgrd_0. What is this ? |
| 02:15.30 | helix | bob2: I think you tricked me |
| 02:15.34 | chealer | !tell dodat about knoppix |
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| 02:15.51 | zinx | bahamut: you can try info date :/ |
| 02:16.02 | bahamat | zinx: been there |
| 02:16.29 | bahamat | zinx: info date is basically the same thing as man date, except it gives me a status bar at the bottom |
| 02:16.51 | zinx | bahamat: no... |
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| 02:16.59 | zinx | bahamat: info date should have far more |
| 02:17.04 | bahamat | ok, well I was hoping I was missing something simple, but it looks like everyone is making the same assumption I did |
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| 02:17.13 | bahamat | zinx: nope, the info and man for date are identical |
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| 02:17.31 | zinx | bahamat: weird. |
| 02:18.06 | bahamat | zinx: not so weird, I find that info pages rarely contain more info for the things I look up |
| 02:18.23 | dan2 | bahamat: localtime([seconds]) -> (tm_year,tm_mon,tm_day,tm_hour,tm_min,tm_sec,tm_wday |
| 02:18.24 | dan2 | ,tm_yday,tm_isdst) |
| 02:18.31 | dan2 | bahamat: figure it out |
| 02:18.52 | zinx | bahamat: however, _mine_ contains lots more. it's not simply a conversion of the manpage :P |
| 02:19.01 | shingouz | Pythe: gimme a few minutes, i'll see what i can come up with |
| 02:19.12 | Pythe | shingouz : thanks for your time, man |
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| 02:19.38 | chealer | info date also is a man conversion for me |
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| 02:20.19 | freedom101 | how i can download the .deb file of a program and all is dependency in .deb? |
| 02:20.28 | bahamat | dan2: yes, I know I can use perl to do it, I know I could use python, or php, or C or Java, lisp or any one of a hundred other languages |
| 02:20.31 | Phated | apt-get -d. |
| 02:20.37 | bahamat | dan2: I'd like to do it in bash |
| 02:20.39 | Phated | or apt-get --download-only. |
| 02:20.44 | freedom101 | ok |
| 02:20.52 | Schlafschwein | date -d '1970-01-01 UTC 946684800 seconds' |
| 02:20.54 | dan2 | bahamat: start writing bash functions to convert unix timestamps |
| 02:20.58 | feder79_argentin | hi.. who or where can I get help about mysql ? |
| 02:21.02 | bahamat | dan2: thanks |
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| 02:21.09 | feder79_argentin | in irc ? |
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| 02:21.11 | mwilson | Damn, I know this piece of music has been used for something somewhere. |
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| 02:21.22 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone know how to do the "info" equivalent of this (with a man page): "man date | col -b > /tmp/foo.txt" |
| 02:21.26 | Schlafschwein | and thats from info date :P |
| 02:21.31 | shingouz | Pythe: checked this site out?: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
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| 02:21.35 | bahamat | well, I don't want to beat a dead horse anymore. thanks for the info guys, at least I know it wasn't just me being dumb |
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| 02:22.11 | mwilson | Grrr, and if I could find it somewhere on line, I could get someone else's opinion. |
| 02:22.11 | shingouz | Pythe: there are a bunch of very specific pieces hardware. any distro will do as long as you can figure out the settings for the monitor |
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| 02:22.47 | Blitx | Am I still kickin? |
| 02:22.59 | feder79_argentin | hi.. who or where can I get help about mysql in some chat o irc ? |
| 02:23.08 | dan2 | feder79_argentin: #mysql |
| 02:23.16 | Blitx | I'll discuss it with you there |
| 02:23.17 | Phated | mwilson: Title/artist? |
| 02:23.32 | feder79_argentin | thanks |
| 02:23.36 | Schlafschwein | sgeigerbot: hm well arptables only filter... guess what :) |
| 02:23.51 | sgeigerbot | Schlafschwein: I don't understand what you just said. |
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| 02:24.27 | Schlafschwein | arptables only matches arp packets |
| 02:24.29 | grendal_prime | ok quick...what do i type to get the system time |
| 02:24.33 | grendal_prime | its a test |
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| 02:24.47 | sgeigerbot | Schlafschwein: okay...well, can't you use that in conjunction with iptables to get what you want? |
| 02:24.48 | mwilson | Phated: You'll laugh. Ever seen Requiem for a Dream? It's _Marion Barfs_ from the soundtrack. Despite the odd title, it's a haunting piece of music that I swear has been used on television for something. |
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| 02:25.08 | Phated | mwilson: I don't see me laughing. Hold on. |
| 02:25.12 | sgeigerbot | Schlafschwein: actually, the URL I gave you before seemed to have a more sane approach to your problem, IIUC. |
| 02:25.50 | mwilson | It's Kronos Quartet, so it's haunting anyway. |
| 02:25.55 | Phated | Right. |
| 02:26.03 | asuffield | Phated: we could tickle you until you start laughing |
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| 02:26.16 | Schlafschwein | that was about not relaying packets from a over b to c |
| 02:26.20 | Phated | You could try. |
| 02:26.36 | Schlafschwein | i have no problem with the packets as they flow, i just want to count them :) |
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| 02:26.50 | helix | Phated: he's flirting with you |
| 02:26.57 | sgeigerbot | Schlafschwein: I was thinking that if you could control how they flow you could count them more easily. |
| 02:27.01 | Phated | helix: HAH! |
| 02:27.08 | epsilon | before installing a package, is there a way to check, if all dependences are installed? |
| 02:27.11 | sgeigerbot | helix: You just said what we all were thinking. |
| 02:27.20 | Phated | mwilson: Not finding it. Ah well. I'm sure you're right. |
| 02:27.23 | helix | asuffield: is this how you treat girls you like? |
| 02:27.51 | asuffield | helix: no, not particularly |
| 02:27.54 | sgeigerbot | helix: It's Valentine's Day, and he's spending it here. What do you think? |
| 02:28.06 | helix | I think he doesn't care about valentine's day |
| 02:28.14 | asuffield | you've got that much right |
| 02:28.22 | helix | and if he had a girlfriend, she wouldn't either |
| 02:28.25 | mwilson | Phated: Oh, I don't know if I'm right or not. A friend of mine was just playing it for me. |
| 02:28.25 | helix | this is what I'm guessing |
| 02:28.56 | asuffield | dunno about that. but I am not a farmer; annual festivals hold no meaning to me. why attach significance to a mere date? |
| 02:29.20 | helix | asuffield: well, I suspect that anyone you'd end up dating seriously wouldn't care about stuff like that |
| 02:29.24 | Phated | mwilson: This has to be a first, you not knowing if you were right. ;) |
| 02:29.28 | asuffield | perhaps |
| 02:29.32 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 02:29.41 | sgeigerbot | asuffield: you are so un-feeling, so on-the-fringe, so...much like us. |
| 02:29.59 | asuffield | sgeigerbot: I am at least seventeen times less pathetic than you |
| 02:30.01 | mwilson | Because usually I stay quiet. |
| 02:30.21 | mwilson | hm, why can't I build Xfree86... |
| 02:30.23 | Phated | mwilson: In which case it's a first, you admitting not knowing if you were right. :) |
| 02:30.24 | sgeigerbot | asuffield: apt-get install --reinstall bc |
| 02:30.32 | asuffield | mwilson: you forgot to sacrifice a goat |
| 02:30.51 | helix | I'm still wondering what asuffield would do if he were feeling romantic |
| 02:30.53 | mwilson | asuffield: No, this is Branden's package(s). |
| 02:30.59 | asuffield | mwilson: the goat is still required |
| 02:31.30 | mwilson | It gets through applying patches, then tries to do this: |
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| 02:31.41 | mwilson | Applying patch debian/patches//home/mwilson/src/X11/xfree86-4.3.0.dfsg.1/debian/patches ... cat: debian/patches//home/mwilson/src/X11/xfree86-4.3.0.dfsg.1/debian/patches |
| 02:31.48 | helix | mwilson: why are you building X? |
| 02:31.52 | mwilson | Gee, I wonder what's wrong with that. :) |
| 02:32.00 | asuffield | (if you weren't using the source package, then you'd need a chainsaw as well as a goat) |
| 02:32.03 | Phated | sgeigerbot: HEh. |
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| 02:32.09 | asuffield | mwilson: how on earth did you manage that? |
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| 02:32.31 | mwilson | helix: I want to fiddle with #295175 |
| 02:32.32 | sgeigerbot | I'm glad we finally got around to goats. Now, *THAT'S* something I know about. |
| 02:32.35 | png | i ve installed mplayer but its fonts are too small.. (same problem in xmms) ? |
| 02:32.40 | helix | sgeigerbot: nah, we had a discussion about this the other day |
| 02:32.46 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: got a hot date eh? |
| 02:32.49 | asuffield | sgeigerbot: that's goat *porn* |
| 02:32.52 | mwilson | asuffield: <shrug> Ran $ fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 02:33.19 | asuffield | mwilson: I'd be suspicious of something strange in the environment. anything about your shell noticably different from the defaults? |
| 02:33.29 | mwilson | asuffield: I don't think so. |
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| 02:34.40 | cthulfuego | helix: Didn't you know mwilson uses gentoo these days and has decided -O6 is the only way to live ? ;-) |
| 02:34.45 | hikenboot | ok i have gotten the dvd apps to play dvd's and the cdrom music to play...all good the only problem is i have no desktop sounds and the dvd movie is silent...yes the volume is up! Anyone can help? I am using kde |
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| 02:34.59 | mwilson | Ew, I think I'd kill myself if I'd decided that. |
| 02:35.01 | hikenboot | kde 3.3.1 |
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| 02:35.03 | tha_gamemaster_ | peterS: you busy/around ? |
| 02:35.23 | helix | tha_gamemaster_: /whois peterS |
| 02:35.30 | tha_gamemaster_ | thanks helix |
| 02:35.42 | mwilson | asuffield: I don't claim to understand dbs... don't know where to start looking for what might be confusing it. |
| 02:35.56 | asuffield | this is the overfiend-mangled variant anyway |
| 02:35.57 | feder79_argentin | any can help me to configure ossim-mysql for NID ? |
| 02:36.23 | Pythe | ack, forgot this window was opened |
| 02:36.26 | mwilson | Hm, dash makes no difference |
| 02:36.29 | chealer | hikenboot: you say you have no sound in KDE except for CD players or what? |
| 02:36.38 | hikenboot | yes |
| 02:36.43 | hikenboot | its silent |
| 02:36.43 | asuffield | I guess you'll just have to debug the blob of shell and make |
| 02:36.55 | hikenboot | but more importantly the dvd movies are silent |
| 02:37.06 | hikenboot | it may or may not be the same issue |
| 02:37.12 | hikenboot | i am a newbie to linux |
| 02:37.16 | chealer | hikenboot: that would be implicated |
| 02:37.16 | asuffield | both bash and dash should work; those are the ones he usually aims for (while being continually frustrated at the difficulty of getting anything done in other shells) |
| 02:37.23 | Pythe | ach, forgot this window was open :-| |
| 02:37.29 | sgeigerbot | hikenboot: Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 02:37.34 | helix | Pythe: we heard you last time |
| 02:37.35 | cthulfuego | helix: 37æ³ |
| 02:37.37 | hikenboot | ok thnanks |
| 02:37.40 | helix | cthulfuego: spam? |
| 02:37.43 | Pythe | did I say that? |
| 02:37.46 | Pythe | aww, crap |
| 02:37.49 | cthulfuego | Japspam |
| 02:37.53 | helix | Pythe: please stop acting like an idiot |
| 02:38.01 | chealer | hikenboot: did you get any sound at all on your machine except using CDs? |
| 02:38.03 | helix | cthulfuego: I get lots of that; I'm goin to have asuffield translate some of it for me one day |
| 02:38.03 | Pythe | my mind is going.... I can feeel it |
| 02:38.10 | asuffield | "37 years old" |
| 02:38.27 | cthulfuego | asuffield: Bit old for a barnyard slut.. |
| 02:38.29 | asuffield | that's 'sei', easy one |
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| 02:38.52 | hikenboot | no none |
| 02:38.59 | helix | it looks like a coat of arms |
| 02:39.03 | sgeigerbot | cthulfuego: what's up with that new nick? |
| 02:39.40 | cthulfuego | 'The hacksaw worry meaning not needing, weekend conversely it doesn't help and it does not date?' |
| 02:39.51 | chealer | hikenboot: until you find otherwise, your CD sound isn't using your OS, so you can consider you have no sound at all and try to fix that problem |
| 02:40.03 | cthulfuego | You know, either this is one freaky haiku or babelfish sucks ;-) |
| 02:40.04 | asuffield | helix: it's a kanji, duh. they all look pretty much the same until you learn how to read them |
| 02:40.06 | chealer | !tell hikenboot about sound |
| 02:40.11 | mwilson | Ok, let's try this on a virgin user... |
| 02:40.21 | asuffield | cthulfuego: babelfish is completely incapable of handling japanese |
| 02:40.21 | helix | asuffield: sure |
| 02:40.50 | asuffield | helix: kanji in fonts are grotesque anyway. it's like ascii-art |
| 02:40.56 | helix | heh, agreed |
| 02:41.03 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: sussudio is away |
| 02:41.11 | asuffield | they're supposed to be drawn with a *brush*, or at least a shaped ink pen |
| 02:41.11 | helix | I like the ascii font that seems to accompany japanese web pages |
| 02:41.12 | FieldySnuts | chasing the rabid badgers |
| 02:41.13 | Pythe | kanjii on LCDs is fun too :-p |
| 02:41.20 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Huh? |
| 02:41.20 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 02:41.22 | helix | it looks like a child wrote it |
| 02:41.26 | hikenboot | well i have used alsa |
| 02:41.31 | hikenboot | it has installed |
| 02:41.32 | hikenboot | ok |
| 02:41.41 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.44 | hikenboot | and the sound test...or some of them work |
| 02:41.49 | hikenboot | at least on the left speaker |
| 02:41.52 | asuffield | cthulfuego: I never did understand why they bother including an option for japanese, really. it has never worked at all |
| 02:42.03 | paster | "cthulfuego" at 150.101.167.241 pasted "japspamese email" (17 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/265 |
| 02:42.07 | hikenboot | i do get messages with alsa |
| 02:42.15 | hikenboot | when testing the stereo |
| 02:42.17 | cthulfuego | asuffield: There ya go. |
| 02:42.24 | hikenboot | and suround sound |
| 02:42.31 | hikenboot | but mono works |
| 02:42.44 | hikenboot | the kde sound test doesnt work |
| 02:42.47 | asuffield | helix: if you mean what I think you mean, it's because kanji are wider than english characters and the font is monospace. they can either leave big gaps between the characters, or they can deform them |
| 02:42.52 | hikenboot | but it must be going to null |
| 02:42.58 | hikenboot | cause no sound comes out |
| 02:43.01 | FieldySnuts | who is hikenboot talkin to |
| 02:43.08 | helix | asuffield: yeah, that's what I mean |
| 02:43.13 | hikenboot | sorry well i will leave |
| 02:43.16 | mwilson | asuffield: You're right... it is shell related somehow. Move my bashrc out of the way and it builds. |
| 02:43.17 | hikenboot | good day |
| 02:43.40 | asuffield | mwilson: figures. now you get to do a binary search for the relevant part |
| 02:43.51 | asuffield | helix: there are less sucky fonts in the archive |
| 02:43.57 | helix | asuffield: like http://www.chax.net/ |
| 02:44.01 | helix | and every other japanese website |
| 02:44.06 | helix | asuffield: such as? |
| 02:44.25 | asuffield | helix: I don't actually know. I have just about all of them installed, and mozilla picks something decent |
| 02:44.36 | asuffield | hence, I don't see the strangely deformed characters that you do :P |
| 02:44.49 | cthulfuego | helix: You could always install an actual kanji font. |
| 02:44.51 | helix | well, whatever the ugly shit is that I had showing up looks like a child's handwriting |
| 02:44.58 | helix | I have every font on the planet installed |
| 02:45.02 | asuffield | helix: grab a screenshot, I *might* be able to guess |
| 02:45.05 | helix | ok |
| 02:45.17 | mwilson | Oh, you're joking... is THAT it? |
| 02:45.21 | cthulfuego | Looks like mine is using Thryomanes |
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| 02:46.13 | sanxiyn | http://www.varlena.com/varlena/GeneralBits/96.php is interesting. |
| 02:46.18 | mwilson | hmmm |
| 02:46.26 | sanxiyn | PostgreSQL and IBM;s software patent on Adaptive Replacement Cache. |
| 02:46.28 | helix | asuffield: cytosine.org/~helix/japanese.png |
| 02:46.36 | jetx | so what is the preferred method for linux-to-linux boxes: nfs or what? |
| 02:46.38 | jetx | behind firewalls |
| 02:46.49 | asuffield | helix: that is a fucking awful font |
| 02:47.03 | helix | I know dude |
| 02:47.04 | jetx | wtf |
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| 02:47.18 | jetx | oh |
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| 02:47.24 | cthulfuego | Also, your mozilla appears to be in portugese ;-) |
| 02:47.27 | jetscreamer | doh |
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| 02:47.28 | rixth__ | Anyone know of an app that I can used to indeify a codec used in a video? |
| 02:47.35 | rixth__ | I have an AVI that wont play |
| 02:47.35 | helix | cthulfuego: I use pt_BR.UTF-8 |
| 02:47.45 | cthulfuego | helix: That's what I said .. ;-) |
| 02:47.52 | asuffield | helix: ...why? |
| 02:47.54 | jetscreamer | so what is the preferred method for linux-to-linux boxes that are behind firewalls: nfs or what? |
| 02:48.11 | helix | asuffield: well, I got tired of using spanish |
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| 02:48.41 | sanxiyn | asuffield: Looks normal Kochi font to me. What's so special? |
| 02:48.41 | helix | but I began using spanish because I had to test some bugs relating to charsets |
| 02:48.42 | jetscreamer | how about: what should i use instead of nfs |
| 02:48.52 | asuffield | sanxiyn: it's shit, whatever it is |
| 02:49.09 | ian2 | jetscreamer: shfs |
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| 02:49.40 | rixth__ | mplayer has been obsoleeted :| |
| 02:49.45 | asuffield | helix: http://www.suffields.me.uk/~asuffield/japanese.png is what I get |
| 02:49.45 | helix | word to xine |
| 02:49.54 | jetscreamer | ian2, looks hopeful |
| 02:49.58 | sgeigerbot | rixth__: what makes you say that? |
| 02:50.03 | asuffield | I'm not sure what that is either, but it's much better |
| 02:50.12 | cunumen | Does a ~ in configuration files, like ~/bin/something mean the current directory, or something like your home directory? |
| 02:50.16 | png | i ve installed mplayer but its fonts are too small.. (same problem in xmms) ? |
| 02:50.22 | helix | asuffield: yours is way better |
| 02:50.24 | ian2 | jetscreamer: just a kernel module, shfsmount to mount (or use mount command). |
| 02:50.27 | rixth__ | When I do an apt-cache search, I don't get it back and when I apt-get install it sasy it is missing or obsolete |
| 02:50.29 | sgeigerbot | cunumen: home dir |
| 02:50.30 | helix | muuuuuch more clear |
| 02:50.34 | rixth__ | (I have apt-get updated too) |
| 02:50.35 | cunumen | thanks |
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| 02:50.37 | sgeigerbot | cunumen: cd ~; pwd |
| 02:50.46 | asuffield | helix: also, your font size is too small for kanji. hit C-+ a couple times |
| 02:50.58 | mwilson | rixth__: Debian does not package mplayer. |
| 02:50.58 | helix | asuffield: I did! |
| 02:51.03 | asuffield | nobody can read the damn things when they're that tiny |
| 02:51.03 | cfdisk | hi |
| 02:51.04 | helix | asuffield: you should've seen it before |
| 02:51.07 | sgeigerbot | !+mplayer |
| 02:51.07 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see 'marillat' or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 02:51.09 | helix | it was miniscule |
| 02:51.09 | rixth__ | Oh yes, that might explain it :) |
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| 02:51.23 | jetscreamer | ian2, cool, i'll check it out |
| 02:51.28 | sgeigerbot | rixth__: see what dpkg said. |
| 02:51.34 | sanxiyn | asuffield: http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/tmp/japanese.png is what I get. |
| 02:51.35 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 02:51.40 | helix | asuffield: jeez, is everything you look at japanese? |
| 02:51.45 | ian2 | jetscreamer: just make sure you use key login if ya wanna mount at boot or anything =] |
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| 02:51.57 | asuffield | helix: no |
| 02:52.09 | helix | asuffield: 80%? |
| 02:52.13 | asuffield | helix: unlikely |
| 02:52.15 | ssj4conejo | i'm trying to compile my kernel, i apt-get installe'd gcc but the make command still doesn't work |
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| 02:52.41 | abrotman | !b-e ssj4conejo |
| 02:52.42 | dpkg | ssj4conejo: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 02:52.45 | asuffield | sanxiyn: that server is stunningly slow |
| 02:52.50 | abrotman | !tell ssj4conejo about kp |
| 02:52.59 | asuffield | or the image is unreasonably huge for such a small resolution |
| 02:53.09 | sanxiyn | asuffield: Hm? |
| 02:53.11 | sanxiyn | asuffield: 234K |
| 02:53.13 | rixth__ | xine is 'restoring the index' of the file I'm trying to play, can anyone explain waht this means? |
| 02:53.15 | ssj4conejo | no i want the make command, to compile the kernel the normal way |
| 02:53.19 | asuffield | sanxiyn: it *still* hasn't finished downloading |
| 02:53.24 | asuffield | it's like, halfway |
| 02:53.25 | mwilson | rixth__: Just what it sounds like. |
| 02:53.26 | abrotman | !b-e ssj4conejo |
| 02:53.26 | dpkg | ssj4conejo: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 02:53.32 | ssj4conejo | thx |
| 02:53.34 | sanxiyn | asuffield: Server is at Korea. |
| 02:53.35 | jetscreamer | ian2, do you know the name of the module offhand, and is there only one to load? |
| 02:53.43 | sanxiyn | (Fast here, of course :-) |
| 02:53.45 | ian2 | jetscreamer: its called shfs |
| 02:53.46 | rixth__ | Ty, yet another prob solved by #debian. |
| 02:53.50 | ian2 | you'll have to install it though |
| 02:53.55 | ian2 | its not part of the normal kernel |
| 02:53.57 | asuffield | sanxiyn: it's not like it's in australia. korea's international pipes are supposed to be large |
| 02:54.05 | ian2 | I dunno, but I think theres a deb package.. |
| 02:54.05 | jetscreamer | i see the source |
| 02:54.08 | helix | yeah, how else could they spam us so much |
| 02:54.21 | jetscreamer | i apt-got shfs-utils and it pulled in the source |
| 02:54.22 | asuffield | helix: I think it has more to do with playing starcraft |
| 02:54.29 | helix | heh |
| 02:54.32 | helix | ^_^ |
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| 02:54.58 | helix | ^_________________^ |
| 02:55.03 | Phated | We should get FieldySnuts to join you two. XD |
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| 02:55.14 | helix | ;_; |
| 02:55.16 | jetscreamer | search only turned up the utils and the source.. whoopee! |
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| 02:55.25 | asuffield | I'll get my stick |
| 02:55.28 | jetscreamer | practice |
| 02:55.36 | Phated | helix: not ;___ _____; ? XD |
| 02:55.37 | helix | (>^_^)> |
| 02:55.40 | asuffield | Phated: don't you start |
| 02:55.47 | Phated | asuffield: Hmmm? |
| 02:55.47 | ian2 | helix: kirby, sort of! |
| 02:55.54 | Phated | Argh, god, Kirby! |
| 02:55.55 | ian2 | <('.'<) <(' . ')> (>'.')> |
| 02:56.01 | helix | Phated: I think what he's trying to say is that he can't handle both of us at the same time |
| 02:56.07 | Phated | helix: Ohhh, I see. |
| 02:56.09 | team | what's the proper way of having /dev/dsp* set rw by others at boottime? |
| 02:56.16 | Phated | Kind of looks like... I dunno, whoever that damn pokemon was. |
| 02:56.22 | mwilson | team: Not to do it. |
| 02:56.22 | asuffield | I don't particularly want to be handling helix at all |
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| 02:56.27 | helix | you love me |
| 02:56.27 | ian2 | Phated: kirby? |
| 02:56.36 | team | should I put the user in the audio group? |
| 02:56.43 | helix | I found all of my lain movies yesterday |
| 02:56.47 | mwilson | team: Instead actually bothering to learn about permissions is the better idea. |
| 02:56.55 | asuffield | mwahahaha, lain |
| 02:56.57 | helix | I wonder if the set is complete |
| 02:57.02 | Phated | ian2: It's big, round, and pink. It's either kirby, a pokemon I can't remember, or ice cream. |
| 02:57.10 | ian2 | Phated: ooh, jigglypuff, I think. |
| 02:57.18 | mwilson | There are four DVD's... are there others? |
| 02:57.18 | jetscreamer | Phated, bubblegum sometimes |
| 02:57.21 | helix | asuffield: there were 13 thingies, right? |
| 02:57.21 | ian2 | pfft I dunno, I'm not the pokemon dictionary =] |
| 02:57.21 | Phated | Argh, yes, that one. |
| 02:57.36 | asuffield | helix: I can't remember offhand. animenfo.com would know |
| 02:57.37 | Phated | jetscreamer: Oh yeah. |
| 02:57.38 | helix | layers |
| 02:57.44 | helix | I deleted 1-6 |
| 02:57.50 | team | mwilson: ? I know how to put chmod 666 /dev/dsp* in a script, thank you.... that's not the question. I guess that if by default, it is not set to 666 but to 660 there is a reasaon... |
| 02:58.12 | mwilson | team: And you'd break things like that because...? |
| 02:58.14 | asuffield | lain is like a really complex jigsaw puzzle, of a psychadelic delusion, with no picture to guide you |
| 02:58.18 | sanxiyn | (My Japanese font is Kochi Gothic. I guess helix's is Kochi Mincho.) |
| 02:58.24 | asuffield | when you complete the puzzle, it leaps out at you and stabs you in the eyes with a fork |
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| 02:58.34 | team | mwilson: why whould I set it to 666? so that 'others' can read/write it??? |
| 02:58.40 | Phated | And proceeeds to eat your eye? |
| 02:58.44 | Phated | s? |
| 02:58.45 | helix | should I be insulted that my ex compared me to lain? |
| 02:58.53 | mwilson | team: As I said, how about you actually learn how permissions work instead? |
| 02:58.54 | asuffield | Phated: probably, I couldn't see that part |
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| 02:59.04 | Silensius | Why i'm click oon trash or hdax icones on desktop , openoffice is launched ? |
| 02:59.04 | asuffield | helix: the odds of him actually understanding lain are quite low |
| 02:59.16 | Phated | asuffield: Oh, right. |
| 02:59.19 | asuffield | helix: so, either he meant he couldn't understand you, or he was already insane and just gibbering |
| 02:59.35 | helix | I only liked him for his looks anyway |
| 02:59.36 | team | mwilson: you have to tell me what you have in mind, because I do know how they work. |
| 02:59.43 | asuffield | why am I not surprised? |
| 02:59.43 | Phated | helix: Heh. |
| 02:59.46 | mwilson | team: Obviously not. |
| 03:00.13 | helix | asuffield: pfft, he was hot; I've always dated for personality otherwise ;) |
| 03:00.23 | team | mwilson: are you trying to tell me that if the owner is root.audio that means I must add my users into audio? |
| 03:00.48 | helix | Phated saw him, she knows the deal |
| 03:00.49 | feder79_argentin | yes |
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| 03:00.59 | Phated | helix: No, I didn't. Pix pix pix! XD |
| 03:01.02 | asuffield | where the primary qualification for "personality" is no doubt "could talk them into bed" |
| 03:01.03 | ali7288 | i am having problems with ssh |
| 03:01.10 | helix | asuffield: hahaha |
| 03:01.13 | mwilson | team: What a concept! |
| 03:01.17 | ali7288 | it can't be accessed outside my lan |
| 03:01.18 | team | mwilson: is that the standard practice? Because, of course, I can do that. I *know* how to solve the problem, but I dunno how it is supposed to be solved |
| 03:01.19 | helix | yeah, girls like me have a hard time finding that |
| 03:01.28 | helix | "you want to do WHAT to me?" |
| 03:01.29 | ali7288 | anyone have ideas what might be wrong? |
| 03:01.39 | Phated | asuffield: No, getting into bed is studlidity, staying till breakfast is personality. |
| 03:01.40 | helix | Phated: I could've sworn I showed you a picture |
| 03:01.42 | mwilson | team: No, you think solving the problem is screwing up the permissions on the device. |
| 03:01.51 | Phated | helix: And I could swear the opposite. Pix pix pix! |
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| 03:02.17 | helix | there |
| 03:02.19 | asuffield | Phated: are you sure you're a teenager? :P |
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| 03:02.38 | Phated | asuffield: Dunno. |
| 03:02.45 | helix | Phated: we can look at pics of asuffield next |
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| 03:02.48 | team | mwilson: I don't actually. That's why I came here. This 'solution' was not really satisfying to me, I ask for help. Thanks. No need to be an ass, you know. If, however, you have nothing else to do, I understand. |
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| 03:02.54 | asuffield | there aren't any current pictures of me |
| 03:02.58 | FieldySnuts | oh I'd like you all to say hi to our possible microsoft spy, brycem (/whois... "research?", also check out the chans) |
| 03:03.03 | helix | asuffield: we'll look at the old one |
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| 03:03.04 | Phated | helix: Whee! |
| 03:03.08 | Phated | asuffield: What she said. |
| 03:03.14 | helix | and Phated agrees with me about hotness |
| 03:03.18 | asuffield | <shrug> there's several of those, none very good |
| 03:03.19 | Phated | I do. |
| 03:03.25 | asuffield | mostly over five years old |
| 03:03.37 | Phated | As long as we can see your head, preferably in more than profile view, it's fine. :) |
| 03:03.58 | mwilson | Why do I have the feeling I shouldn't be using gcc 3.x to build X... |
| 03:03.59 | helix | asuffield: hook us up with the other ones |
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| 03:04.19 | asuffield | helix: I dunno which ones you've seen. I don't know where the others are offhand, either, for that matter |
| 03:04.33 | freedom101 | i try aptitude -r download xfree86-common but how i can force it to download dependency? |
| 03:04.36 | abrotman | noone ever wants to see a picture of me .. except the cake butt stuff |
| 03:04.38 | helix | asuffield: just the one from your school website |
| 03:04.41 | zeeble | argh.. anyone help me recover from apt-get madness.. I get a "Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)" for all my sources :/ Every thing else related to network works great. |
| 03:05.09 | asuffield | helix: you mean the cambridge/corpus christi thing? not my school. I think I was 16 then |
| 03:05.17 | helix | asuffield: oh ok. yeah, that one |
| 03:05.21 | tomb0y | ok im kinda confused.. so i have this harddrive that used to be in a windows box.. i install debian on it, play around with partitions a lil, and now im trying to do mke2fs /dev/hda1 it completes, i mount it, and df is showing 100% in use, mount is showing as vfat, and i see like a c:\ drive from windows.. why is mke2fs not wiping that partition hah |
| 03:05.22 | helix | 16? oh my :) |
| 03:05.23 | asuffield | mwilson: current default from the same release is the only one you should be using. that's probably 3.3 |
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| 03:05.49 | asuffield | ...obviously there is something worth seeing here |
| 03:05.57 | tomb0y | and fdisk shows it as a Linux partition |
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| 03:06.16 | Phated | helix: Why? |
| 03:06.28 | helix | Phated: high school was not a good time period for me :) |
| 03:06.35 | helix | actually, I guess 16 wasn't so bad |
| 03:06.40 | Phated | helix: <shrug> You're not exactly ugly. |
| 03:06.42 | helix | 14, otoh |
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| 03:06.52 | duckdown | Can somebody please help me with mkinitrd ... someone told me the syntax was mkinitrd /lib/modules/kernel# initrd.img .. but even after reading the man page i am confused about how to specify what modules to include |
| 03:06.55 | Phated | asuffield: Shut up. :) |
| 03:06.59 | asuffield | helix: short and fat, with buck teeth? |
| 03:07.07 | zeeble | heh |
| 03:07.08 | Phated | Aw, come on, that's me! |
| 03:07.10 | helix | asuffield: I was never short (nor did I have buck teeth) |
| 03:07.31 | asuffield | aha! "fat" it is |
| 03:07.32 | helix | I don't think I was fat either, but I'm the same size I was 10 years ago |
| 03:07.41 | Phated | You're not fat. |
| 03:07.45 | sanxiyn | asuffield: http://double-helix.org/gallery/ |
| 03:07.51 | helix | I think Phated has seen a full body picture of me |
| 03:07.57 | helix | I show her all the helix pr0n |
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| 03:08.04 | asuffield | Phated: you're genetically predisposed to be short, that's not really the same thing |
| 03:08.08 | Phated | I have -not-. |
| 03:08.21 | Phated | helix: All I've seen are the ones you just showed me plus your pink shoe. |
| 03:08.39 | asuffield | sanxiyn: I know. I'm aware of what helix looks like, and I have absolutely no interest in shagging her |
| 03:08.40 | Phated | asuffield: Yeah, guess not. I'm actually tall around here. :/ |
| 03:08.41 | jetscreamer | *burp |
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| 03:09.03 | abrotman | asuffield: you're really that scared eh? |
| 03:09.17 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 03:09.26 | helix | Phated: my pink shoe is so cute! |
| 03:09.41 | Phated | helix: It was... startling. Yet strangely attractive, yes. |
| 03:09.52 | asuffield | abrotman: no, she's just like the antithesis of all that is cute |
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| 03:10.09 | Phated | Untrue! |
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| 03:10.11 | helix | abrotman: I think he's just being contrary |
| 03:10.12 | abrotman | apparently i've seen different pictures of helix .. or i'm weird |
| 03:10.16 | Phated | She's got cute little dimple! |
| 03:10.19 | Phated | s. |
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| 03:10.51 | zeeble | i wish apt would just start working again :/ |
| 03:11.10 | helix | Phated: I lose those socks though :( |
| 03:11.16 | rixth__ | One more newb question, when I was on Windows, Winamp could make HTML files of my playlist, doen anyone know of a program or plugin for XMMS that can do it? |
| 03:11.21 | Phated | helix: Oh the stripy ones? Those were cute. |
| 03:11.22 | jetscreamer | ~lart zeeble |
| 03:11.25 | rixth__ | does* |
| 03:11.29 | zeeble | jethro: grr. |
| 03:11.37 | jetscreamer | tabtabtab |
| 03:11.37 | zeeble | err, jetscreamer grr |
| 03:11.41 | helix | Phated: yeah :/ |
| 03:11.49 | Phated | helix: Well... get some more. :D |
| 03:11.57 | helix | I got those in brazil |
| 03:12.02 | sanxiyn | zeeble: ihgeswo deiwom Werunom. |
| 03:12.12 | Phated | I'm fairly sure you can get stripy socks outside of Brazil, deary. |
| 03:12.18 | sgeigerbot | helix: I swear, you are much cuter than you used to be. |
| 03:12.25 | helix | I am? |
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| 03:12.36 | zeeble | jetscreamer: apt wants to connect to localhot post 4001 for some reason, and obviously gets refused :/ i am not sure why it goes there. |
| 03:12.44 | abrotman | cute is the best you can come up with? |
| 03:12.51 | asuffield | yeesh, what sort of person loses their socks? |
| 03:12.58 | FieldySnuts | i do, i do! |
| 03:13.00 | helix | asuffield: in the drier or something |
| 03:13.02 | helix | dryer? |
| 03:13.04 | helix | anyway |
| 03:13.06 | FieldySnuts | in fact, i lost all but the pair i'm wearin |
| 03:13.07 | helix | http://cytosine.org/~helix/hotpink.jpg |
| 03:13.07 | FieldySnuts | don't ask me how |
| 03:13.11 | abrotman | helix: dryar! :) |
| 03:13.29 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Maybe my standards are higher than yours. |
| 03:13.49 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: or i've seen other pictures :) |
| 03:14.05 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: do you wear mittens on your feet now? |
| 03:14.12 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: For example...? |
| 03:14.22 | asuffield | I don't really see how you can lose socks in the dryer. it's a big drum. it's not got holes in it. |
| 03:14.32 | helix | asuffield: well, they get lost somewhere |
| 03:14.35 | helix | it's not entirely clear to me either |
| 03:14.37 | abrotman | asuffield: tecnhically .. there are holes in the dryer |
| 03:14.54 | Phated | It's a gateway to another dimension where socks escape to! |
| 03:15.19 | helix | oh, I love decorative socks |
| 03:15.27 | rixth__ | One more newb question, when I was on Windows, Winamp could make HTML files of my playlist, does anyone know of a program (or plugin) that can do it? |
| 03:15.32 | abrotman | Phated: and little brothers! |
| 03:15.35 | Optikal | No, all socks must be tube. |
| 03:15.40 | oenek | Yeah I have one of those under my bed Phated |
| 03:15.42 | Optikal | and white |
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| 03:15.50 | sanxiyn | It is well known that Invisible Pink Unicorn (pbuh) likes socks, so sometime takes them from its believers. |
| 03:15.57 | helix | I need some good normal socks though |
| 03:16.01 | Phated | abrotman: I wish. |
| 03:16.03 | helix | these girly things aren't good for skating in |
| 03:16.07 | Phated | helix: Normal? |
| 03:16.08 | Phated | Hah. |
| 03:16.10 | helix | yeah, tube socks |
| 03:16.12 | abrotman | Phated: i thought you were the only |
| 03:16.15 | helix | not shit with hearts all over it |
| 03:16.21 | Phated | helix: Like... white and stuff? |
| 03:16.25 | asuffield | ... |
| 03:16.28 | sgeigerbot | helix: Re: "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. -Ellen Parr"> Death is the cure for curiosity. |
| 03:16.30 | zeeble | dark blue ones. |
| 03:16.37 | Phated | Buy what we call "school socks" here. The type you won't give a shit about losing. |
| 03:16.38 | zeeble | and black. |
| 03:16.40 | Phated | abrotman: I am. |
| 03:16.41 | helix | Phated: well, any color |
| 03:16.45 | Phated | helix: Right. |
| 03:16.46 | helix | white doesn't really agree with me though |
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| 03:16.54 | asuffield | ain't that the truth |
| 03:16.59 | abrotman | Phated: then why would you want to send little borthers through the sock warp hole thingie ? |
| 03:17.00 | asuffield | I bet Phated wears white ones >:) |
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| 03:17.05 | Phated | Pft, you got it good. Nothing agrees with me. |
| 03:17.12 | Phated | asuffield: Err... yeah. |
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| 03:17.18 | Phated | I wear ankle socks though. |
| 03:17.26 | helix | I like knee socks |
| 03:17.26 | sanxiyn | Sometimes IPU is referred "She that Rapture Socks", |
| 03:17.35 | helix | Phated: he's fragile |
| 03:17.39 | asuffield | am not |
| 03:17.44 | Optikal | Like trent reznor |
| 03:17.51 | Phated | XD |
| 03:17.56 | helix | asuffield: well, you're skinny |
| 03:18.04 | Phated | Not necessarily fragile. |
| 03:18.11 | asuffield | Phated: ...a what? |
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| 03:18.25 | abrotman | asuffield: how damn skinny are you? |
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| 03:18.35 | asuffield | abrotman: borderline BMI. 75kg or thereabouts |
| 03:18.35 | Phated | asuffield: You've never had something thrown at your head that broke on a wall behind you? |
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| 03:18.45 | rixth__ | On a Google search for "html linux library music" is tries to change Linux to links! :( |
| 03:18.49 | asuffield | Phated: can't say that I have |
| 03:18.50 | Phated | sanxiyn: Yeah, and helix made -me- have an offtopic channel. XD |
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| 03:18.52 | abrotman | asuffield: lbs ? |
| 03:18.56 | sgeigerbot | asuffield: my roughcalculations put you at 160lbs |
| 03:18.58 | Phated | asuffield: Impressive. |
| 03:19.00 | asuffield | abrocadabro: I have no idea |
| 03:19.04 | asuffield | Phated: why? |
| 03:19.06 | helix | asuffield: how tall are you? |
| 03:19.10 | abrotman | asuffield: and you're like 5'9" ? |
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| 03:19.21 | Phated | asuffield: I dunno, everyone needs something thrown at their heads every so often. |
| 03:19.26 | asuffield | helix: uhh.... unsure. somewhere between 5'9" and 5'11" |
| 03:19.30 | asuffield | I haven't actually measured in years |
| 03:19.34 | abrotman | yeah .. that's kind of skinny :) |
| 03:19.36 | asuffield | it's kinda hard to measure your own height |
| 03:19.39 | helix | it's not that skinny |
| 03:19.46 | sanxiyn | :-) |
| 03:19.53 | asuffield | I'm on the BMI borderline. but I don't have any body fat, that throws the scale off |
| 03:19.58 | abrotman | helix: people tell me i'm too skinny .. and i'm about 150-160 and 5'8" |
| 03:20.10 | abrotman | and he's adding roughly 2 inches |
| 03:20.10 | helix | really? |
| 03:20.12 | Phated | abrotman: You're not skinny, I've seen you. |
| 03:20.25 | helix | abrotman: I go be "girl" measurements -- 160 at 5'9" is "overweight" |
| 03:20.25 | Phated | Not that you're fat either. |
| 03:20.25 | abrotman | Phated: did i send you that picture? .. i thought only my ex had seen it |
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| 03:20.46 | abrocadabro | Hi, I am using Debian Sarge with 2.6.8 kernel, I compiled and installed alsa 1.08 driver and everything, my sound was broken for days but three days ago I went to this channel a user told me that alsa in Sarge would be fixed in three days, so today I apt-get upgrade everything and indeed it worked, however, after I restarted my computer it stopped working again, I am just wondering if anyone has any ideas what might have gone wrong? |
| 03:20.51 | Phated | abrotman: Which? I've seen a picture of you besides cakebutt, anyway. |
| 03:21.15 | tomb0y | .. /dev/hda1 on /mnt type vfat (rw) debian:/mnt# rm -f logo.sys rm: cannot unlink `logo.sys': Read-only file system isnt rw read/write :) this is so screwy |
| 03:21.19 | abrotman | Phated: i think the only ones you saw were the slide one .. which is a fairly bad picture :) |
| 03:21.32 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: did you ever respond to me question re being able to boot/install from cd images in xen? just got back after lunch and was trying to do some more research as to what ewas and wasn't possible |
| 03:21.33 | sgeigerbot | asuffield: That's more like 165 lbs. |
| 03:21.34 | shingouz | you guys are definitely tiny. 6'7 and about 250 pounds. so there :) |
| 03:21.50 | asuffield | shingouz: you are a cow |
| 03:21.51 | Phated | abrotman: It was decent. |
| 03:21.55 | helix | damn dude |
| 03:21.59 | Phated | Harsh. |
| 03:22.04 | sgeigerbot | michal_: No, I didn't see your question. when you direct a response at someone, please add their nick to the beginning of the line so others can follow the conversation...and so that they know your conversation isn't part of another. ...and so that my regexes can copy the conversation. |
| 03:22.05 | shingouz | asuffield: more of a manatee... |
| 03:22.09 | asuffield | helix: too damn tall |
| 03:22.21 | helix | asuffield: for men with inferiority complexes, definitely |
| 03:22.31 | asuffield | Phated: that's better |
| 03:22.32 | Phated | dpkg: So ner. |
| 03:22.32 | dpkg | i don't know, Phated |
| 03:22.38 | Phated | Er... dvs: so ner. :) |
| 03:22.38 | sgeigerbot | michal_: The problem with doing that is that the resultant kernel must be a xenolinux kernel. You cannot have a regular linux kernel installed inside the Xen Virtual Machine Monitor. |
| 03:22.43 | abrotman | Phated: it just depends .. about 10 years ago .. i was the same height but 120lbs |
| 03:22.43 | Phated | asuffield: Really? :D |
| 03:22.45 | helix | short guys are cute |
| 03:22.47 | Phated | sanxiyn: Short. |
| 03:22.49 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 03:22.56 | sanxiyn | Phated: Indeed. |
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| 03:23.03 | Phated | I dunno... I like tall. |
| 03:23.10 | shingouz | otoh mrs shingouz is about 5'2 and just a bit past 100 pounds |
| 03:23.12 | asuffield | helix: I happen to prefer short girls. so nyah. |
| 03:23.19 | abrotman | shingouz: i know what that means!! |
| 03:23.25 | helix | asuffield: yes, as I said, men with inferiority complexes |
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| 03:23.31 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 03:23.34 | helix | Phated: I don't actually care much about height |
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| 03:23.41 | helix | I thought I did |
| 03:23.42 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: oh.. damn.. this is something that virtualpc and vmware overcome :/ so it has similar limitations to uml in that respect.. you can't use the standard install process of the operating system you want to install |
| 03:23.46 | helix | but I don't |
| 03:23.55 | abrotman | i think i could date a girl up to about 6' .. after that .. i don't like walking and turning to speak at someone and looking at boobs . it's just kind of weird in public |
| 03:23.59 | Phated | helix: I'm not sure how much I -care-, but tallness in a guy is attractive. |
| 03:24.11 | sgeigerbot | michal_: so, if you have a regular Linux installation CD, it will not work. If you have one that has xenolinux kernels, then, yes, it could work. What I would recommand doing is doing a debootstrap install, installing xenolinux in it, and then using dd (or perhaps a better way) to archive the image...and then using a copy of that the next time you want to install a Xen virtual machine. |
| 03:24.15 | helix | well, I never liked guys who were much taller than me |
| 03:24.22 | helix | about eye level is good |
| 03:24.26 | oenek | < had a g/f that was 6'5 |
| 03:24.27 | Phated | Couple inches, yeah. |
| 03:24.29 | oenek | :-D |
| 03:24.29 | helix | being the same height is rad |
| 03:24.31 | nvz | heh, I am way up here in the non-cute zone eh? |
| 03:24.41 | asuffield | helix: I am clearly not inferior to anybody. tall people are just not cute |
| 03:24.42 | oenek | I like tall women |
| 03:24.46 | sgeigerbot | michal_: The Xen VMM does not yet do full virtualization (unmodified OSs). It only does paravirtualization at the moment. |
| 03:24.49 | helix | asuffield: we have presence and are sexy |
| 03:24.53 | abrotman | helix: you wear heels .. like bigger than say .. 3" ? |
| 03:24.55 | Phated | Pft, helix is cute. |
| 03:24.56 | Phated | XD |
| 03:24.59 | abrotman | err 2" |
| 03:25.05 | helix | asuffield: but I agree, we're rarely "adorable" and so forth |
| 03:25.09 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: why did you choose xen ver uml? uml has a similar approach |
| 03:25.14 | helix | abrotman: I don't really wear heels... ever |
| 03:25.17 | shingouz | asuffield: i am not tall, youre just vertically challenged ;) |
| 03:25.18 | nvz | its a shame I am fixin to leave, with this interesting conversation going on |
| 03:25.22 | Phated | asuffield: I have a friend who's something like 4'9". |
| 03:25.27 | asuffield | shingouz: you're not *human* |
| 03:25.35 | shingouz | asuffield: thank you :D |
| 03:25.36 | sgeigerbot | michal_: Have patience. This is a highly supported project that is moving along very quickly with support from the likes of IBM and Intel. Learning Xen now will make you very happy later, as you see these improvements. |
| 03:25.36 | abrotman | helix: you've sold me :) |
| 03:25.37 | Phated | How tall is shingouz again? |
| 03:25.43 | abrotman | 6'5" |
| 03:25.48 | Phated | Ah. |
| 03:25.49 | abrotman | err .. was it 7" |
| 03:25.50 | Phated | Not human. |
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| 03:25.58 | sgeigerbot | michal_: xen is faster than uml by far. See the performance page on their site. |
| 03:25.58 | scarynetworkguy | Clearly a alien. |
| 03:25.59 | shingouz | 6'7....6'8. |
| 03:26.00 | asuffield | Phated: but are they cute? |
| 03:26.01 | shingouz | about there |
| 03:26.29 | Optikal | Once we have the technology to grow babies outside the womb |
| 03:26.34 | abrotman | being sick just damn sucks |
| 03:26.39 | helix | asuffield: is my anti-cuteness related to my height? |
| 03:26.39 | Optikal | then we can start breeding giants |
| 03:26.39 | sanxiyn | sgeigerbot: Is it true that Xen hooks may be merged to the mainline kernel? |
| 03:26.42 | Optikal | with jumbo brains |
| 03:26.47 | nvz | yeah but XEN requires a specially made kernel to run under it from what I was reading |
| 03:26.50 | sgeigerbot | michal_: ...and xen will do full virtualization at some point. It's goal is to go head-to-head with the high-end VMWare product. UML doesn't have such ambitions. There are times when UML would be very handy, though--as when building a honeynet. |
| 03:26.54 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: don't suppose there's any word on xen on darwin/osx ?? :) |
| 03:26.57 | sgeigerbot | sanxiyn: yes. |
| 03:26.57 | abrotman | helix: do you think you're not cute? |
| 03:26.59 | asuffield | helix: probably related, but you're pretty much anti-cute in every respect :P |
| 03:27.05 | Phated | asuffield: I dunno, she's OK. |
| 03:27.08 | helix | asuffield: oh please |
| 03:27.20 | helix | abrotman: no, I'm not "cute", as such |
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| 03:27.27 | shingouz | helix: don't feel bad. my kid sis is only 6'1 |
| 03:27.30 | helix | in the sense that cuteness is reserved for kittens and short people |
| 03:27.34 | dvs | only? |
| 03:27.35 | sgeigerbot | nvz: The Xen VMM does not yet do full virtualization (unmodified OSs). It only does paravirtualization at the moment, but xen will do full virtualization at some point |
| 03:27.37 | shingouz | yea |
| 03:27.37 | sanxiyn | Perhaps cuteness is not very related to other beauty measures. |
| 03:27.40 | abrotman | helix: but you can hold your own in a room of women ? |
| 03:27.40 | dvs | yikes |
| 03:27.46 | Phated | She could. |
| 03:27.50 | xlulux | what are your fravorite programs/servers to install once you have linux installed? |
| 03:27.52 | sanxiyn | sgeigerbot: That's nice. |
| 03:28.03 | helix | abrotman: here's the thing: I only appeal to a small subsection of people for varying reasons |
| 03:28.03 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: if the goal is to make fully partitioned virtual servers does xen still come out ahead? |
| 03:28.04 | asuffield | Phated: you can fuck her if you want to. I don't :P |
| 03:28.10 | shingouz | dvs: and she is heavily into aikodo and escrima. not to mention european swordsmanship |
| 03:28.14 | helix | Phated: he loves my personality though |
| 03:28.24 | Phated | asuffield: I'm not particularly interested. She's attractive, but not my type. |
| 03:28.27 | helix | he probably kvetches non-stop about my lack of cuteness for that reason |
| 03:28.29 | abrotman | helix: dunno .. last time i saw a picture of you was after debconf .. i'd say you're far better than average looking |
| 03:28.29 | Phated | helix: I'm sure. |
| 03:28.41 | helix | abrotman: I'm huge :) |
| 03:28.42 | Phated | Oooh abrotman's flirting with helix now. |
| 03:28.50 | helix | abrotman: men do not like tall girls |
| 03:28.54 | shingouz | helix: no you're not |
| 03:28.57 | abrotman | i wouldn't call it flirting .. it's just a statement |
| 03:29.07 | peterS | Phated: this looks a lot like #debian circa 16 months ago |
| 03:29.09 | nvz | sgeigerbot: I only looked into the different things, trying to see if there was any new interesting ways to run windows on top of or with linux.. but most of them are linux-specific, except co-linux which runs on windows, and isnt what I was looking for either.. vmware, wine, crossover and cedega still seem to be the only options |
| 03:29.14 | sgeigerbot | sanxiyn: It gets better: Intel has already checked in code for CPUs which are not yet on the market...and when these come onto the market, the full virtualization feature I have mentioned above, will work. (Yes, we are merely waiting on the hardware!) http://www.intel.com/update/contents/it12041.htm |
| 03:29.16 | Phated | asuffield: Oh, wait, there's one who's 4'7". I know she's regarded to be cute. |
| 03:29.18 | peterS | Phated: it was Helix and the 400 Dwarfs |
| 03:29.26 | helix | heh |
| 03:29.32 | Phated | peterS: Now the Dwarves have a new generation. |
| 03:29.33 | abrotman | helix: well .. it's just an opinion .. i've not seen a decent picture i don't thikn |
| 03:29.36 | sgeigerbot | michal_ and nvz: see what I just told sanxiyn |
| 03:29.40 | peterS | Phated: where 'dwarf' is just a euphemism for 'geek trying to hit on her' |
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| 03:29.47 | Phated | peterS: Hehe. |
| 03:29.52 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 03:29.52 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 03:29.53 | helix | peterS: asuffield is scaring them away ;) |
| 03:29.58 | asuffield | Phated: hah, channelling Chiyo-chan |
| 03:30.06 | Phated | asuffield: Who...? |
| 03:30.09 | peterS | helix: oh, he's in on the helix action right now? |
| 03:30.16 | asuffield | oh bah, you're useless |
| 03:30.18 | abrotman | he was .. i htink he went away |
| 03:30.20 | helix | peterS: he's keeping up this nonsense about me not being cute |
| 03:30.21 | Phated | There's a helix action? XD |
| 03:30.22 | abrotman | oh .. guess not |
| 03:30.35 | Phated | Action war! |
| 03:30.38 | peterS | helix: i.e., "you are cute but I think I can hold your attention longer by saying you aren't" |
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| 03:30.40 | xlulux | what is a good cli mailclient that will let me read my yahoomail? |
| 03:30.49 | helix | peterS: that's my guess |
| 03:30.50 | abrotman | oh wait .. we're supposed to say helix isn't cute? |
| 03:30.52 | pipeline | xlulux: linxs |
| 03:30.53 | abrotman | i'm so damn confused |
| 03:30.56 | peterS | abrotman: it works for asuffield |
| 03:31.00 | pipeline | xlulux: or rather, links, if I could fucking spell |
| 03:31.03 | sgeigerbot | nvz: When full virtualization and the new Intel chips come out, xen will be the most interesting way. However, in the meantime, I would recommend colinux (if you run Windows): http://www.colinux.org |
| 03:31.05 | abrotman | apparently i should just stick with being ill |
| 03:31.05 | Phated | abrotman: Obviously, she pays more attention if you say she isn't. |
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| 03:31.16 | peterS | Phated: exactly |
| 03:31.18 | xlulux | pipeline:but isnt that a cli browser? |
| 03:31.21 | sanxiyn | peterS: Cool strategy. |
| 03:31.22 | Phated | peterS: Aye. |
| 03:31.27 | xlulux | pipeline:wouldnt pine do the same? |
| 03:31.34 | abrotman | Phated: she can pay attention to me if she wants .. that's her deal |
| 03:31.45 | Phated | abrotman: But do you want? XD |
| 03:31.48 | nvz | sgeigerbot: yeah I didnt like that.. defeats the purpose.. if you want Windows+Linux you definatly dont want it running on the NT Kernel, you want it running on linux |
| 03:31.50 | abrotman | do i want what? |
| 03:31.51 | asuffield | Phated: it appears to be *true*, but that wasn't intentional :P |
| 03:32.03 | helix | asuffield: then why do you always do it? :) |
| 03:32.06 | abrotman | right now i want to not be ill!! |
| 03:32.08 | Phated | asuffield: Well, none of us said it was -intentional-. |
| 03:32.13 | sanxiyn | xlulux: There's "elinkx", "enhanced links" which has graphics capability. |
| 03:32.15 | sgeigerbot | xlulux: fetchyahoo - Retrieve mail from Yahoo!'s webmail service |
| 03:32.15 | helix | Phated: it is; he does it all th time |
| 03:32.18 | sanxiyn | "elinks". |
| 03:32.30 | Phated | asuffield: Right, now we've said it is. |
| 03:32.31 | xlulux | thank you sgeigerbot :-D |
| 03:32.34 | asuffield | helix: it's fun |
| 03:32.36 | Phated | helix: Fair enough, fair enough... |
| 03:32.36 | sgeigerbot | xlulux: np |
| 03:32.39 | helix | see |
| 03:32.51 | helix | asuffield: there are other ways to get my attention |
| 03:33.00 | asuffield | where would be the fun in that? |
| 03:33.00 | Phated | Like? :) |
| 03:33.04 | abrotman | flowers! |
| 03:33.08 | abrotman | cats! |
| 03:33.08 | Phated | Pft. |
| 03:33.13 | Phated | See above. |
| 03:33.14 | abrotman | socks? |
| 03:33.19 | Phated | Maybe. |
| 03:33.24 | peterS | helix: his works about as well as any. you've been trying to convince him he thinks you're cute for ... how long now? |
| 03:33.25 | abrotman | soy! |
| 03:33.34 | helix | peterS: I haven't tried to convince him |
| 03:33.34 | Phated | Urgh. |
| 03:33.35 | sgeigerbot | nvz: well, I don't blame you. We all know Windows sucks, but until VT comes along (see the URL above), I think the best options are vmware and colinux. |
| 03:33.50 | helix | peterS: I've never even shown him a picture of me, he looked for those on his own |
| 03:34.04 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:34.09 | Xenguy | sgeigerbot: I missed most of up-buffer - you think xen isn't there yet then? |
| 03:34.18 | sanxiyn | I don't understand what VT(Vanderpool Technologies) is... |
| 03:34.21 | asuffield | "looked" is a bit strong. happened to run across them sometime, wasn't really intentional |
| 03:34.26 | sgeigerbot | nvz: here's another url: http://www.intel.com/technology/computing/vptech/ |
| 03:34.53 | sgeigerbot | Xenguy: /lastlog sgeigerbot |
| 03:34.56 | peterS | that surprises me |
| 03:35.03 | Xenguy | sgeigerbot: (no relation to my nick BTW ) |
| 03:35.12 | sgeigerbot | Xenguy: :-) |
| 03:35.37 | nvz | I am fixin to go get me some alcohol if these hippies dont give me any greif about an expired ID |
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| 03:35.47 | abrotman | damn hippies |
| 03:35.54 | nvz | yeah really |
| 03:35.59 | abrotman | asuffield: it's true .. Phated can verify |
| 03:36.11 | Phated | asuffield: It's actually not so bad... Once you, like, burn your monitor and dig out your eyes. |
| 03:36.11 | helix | asuffield: is that what you were hoping for then? for me to feed you pics of myself? |
| 03:36.25 | abrotman | helix: charge him a subscription ? |
| 03:36.35 | peterS | I get the feeling that's what helix was hoping asuffield was hoping helix would do |
| 03:36.36 | sgeigerbot | Xenguy: I am using xen already. It is great...but it needs to mature...and it would be great if Intel would release their forthcoming VTs ( http://www.intel.com/technology/computing/vptech/ ) |
| 03:36.39 | peterS | can we get a little more recursive now? |
| 03:36.42 | rixth__ | Ahhh, WTF?! After waiting for an hour for xine to 'restore the index' of a movie, it wants to do it again?! |
| 03:36.47 | asuffield | helix: no. if I wanted that it would be obvious, because I'd ask you for them whenever you appeared and every ten minutes or so thereafter |
| 03:36.56 | sgeigerbot | peterS: for((x=0;x<20;x++)); do sudo su `whoami` ; done |
| 03:36.56 | asuffield | I've done this before, it works every time |
| 03:36.57 | rixth__ | Can anyone recomend another player? |
| 03:37.07 | abrotman | rixth__: something sounds broken |
| 03:37.14 | rixth__ | Could be file I guess |
| 03:37.22 | chealer | sgeigerbot: what's the new Intel chips you were referring to? |
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| 03:37.32 | sgeigerbot | chealer: http://www.intel.com/technology/computing/vptech/ |
| 03:37.38 | chealer | eh ok thanks |
| 03:37.41 | peterS | sgeigerbot: why do you think I want twenty interactive shells in a row? |
| 03:37.58 | sgeigerbot | peterS: you like recursion? |
| 03:37.59 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: i appreciate the future benefits of xen by far outweigh those of uml but if the underlying hardware is likely to be cheap old desktop cpu's and the goal is to have mail servers, etc running in partitioned vm's which are easy to manage is xen still the way or is that not its strength. I'm only probing you for answers because I presume you've familiar with both and most people seem to have no clue about either (ie i was |
| 03:37.59 | michal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.41 | sgeigerbot | You guys really should join #xen |
| 03:38.56 | peterS | sgeigerbot: that wasn't really recursion |
| 03:38.56 | helix | we should get doogie in here to talk to people about xen |
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| 03:39.07 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: will there be a lot of support for uml on #xen? :) |
| 03:39.11 | asuffield | doogie would end up talking about sex. that's never a good idea |
| 03:39.20 | Phated | Sounds like #d-o/ |
| 03:39.24 | sgeigerbot | michal_: xen is way more economical with resources than UML. Did you look at the performance info that I told you to read? |
| 03:39.32 | michal_ | #debian-orgy ? |
| 03:39.32 | baroni | Does anybody knows if is possible to limit the net bandwith of an 'apt-get install <package>' ? I mean limit the flow fired up by any apt-get command , creating a cbq class, whatever? |
| 03:39.47 | asuffield | Phated: no. really. this is the "I lost my virginity in a strip club last night" doogie, aka the "I have shaved all the hair off my body, except in the crack of my arse" doogie |
| 03:39.48 | rixth__ | What is the person opinion of #debian as to the best movie player? |
| 03:39.50 | sgeigerbot | michal_: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/performance.html |
| 03:39.52 | abrotman | !trickle |
| 03:39.54 | rixth__ | personal* |
| 03:39.54 | helix | heh |
| 03:39.55 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 03:40.02 | abrotman | baroni: apt-cache showpkg trickle |
| 03:40.02 | Phated | asuffield: <shrug> Sounds entertaining. |
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| 03:40.06 | sgeigerbot | michal_: xen is a great project. |
| 03:40.08 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: i'd actually looked at it before you mentioned it but i don't know how significant that would be in practice |
| 03:40.10 | asuffield | it's not that he's a pervert, per se. we've got worse perverts. it's that he describes it all in excruciating detail |
| 03:40.11 | abrotman | err that's not right either |
| 03:40.14 | baroni | abrotman: thanks ! |
| 03:40.19 | peterS | rixth__: probably totem |
| 03:40.20 | helix | I missed the body shaving / stripper thing |
| 03:40.26 | peterS | I bet you did |
| 03:40.28 | abrotman | baroni: just apt-cache show trickle |
| 03:40.30 | Phated | So he's a minor pervert and a descriptive writer. |
| 03:40.38 | baroni | abrotman: sure :) |
| 03:40.47 | sgeigerbot | michal_: "In practice" means what? The performance is "near Linux native speeds"...which I'm sure you're familiar with by now. |
| 03:40.56 | chealer | sgeigerbot: great...so it's not coming to desktop so soon? |
| 03:41.24 | rixth__ | There's a file that I'm having trouble playing, xine says 'restoring index' it takes about an hour to get to 100% then it starts again. So I need not nescessarily the best performance, but compatibility is more important. |
| 03:41.44 | helix | peterS: eh? |
| 03:41.55 | sgeigerbot | chealer: In 2005, we will see the first, higher-end VT-based chip. 2006 will be when desktop-class VT chips arrive. |
| 03:42.04 | sgeigerbot | chealer: /lastlog sgeigerbot |
| 03:42.06 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: xen seems a lot more complicated than uml so i don't know if the speed difference is enough to make up for that |
| 03:42.38 | sgeigerbot | michal_: It's not that bad. :-) |
| 03:42.45 | chealer | sgeigerbot: lastlog means I should scroll up? |
| 03:42.58 | sgeigerbot | michal_: Anyone in here will tell you that I'm a moron. So, if I can do it, well.... |
| 03:43.00 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 03:43.17 | baroni | abrotman: is that a tool made by you ? :) |
| 03:43.21 | sgeigerbot | chealer: No, it means this: type "/lastlog sgeigerbot" (without the quotes). |
| 03:43.25 | abrotman | baroni: no .. why? |
| 03:43.33 | abrotman | wait .. i don't think so |
| 03:43.37 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: i know but try to explain it to your grandma.. and we have at least 2 programmers here who would fit the grandma/grandpa category |
| 03:43.47 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 03:43.50 | baroni | abrotman: just curious. thanks |
| 03:43.58 | FieldySnuts | @esr |
| 03:43.58 | ravenbird | from memory, esr is a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar.. Eric S. Raymond |
| 03:43.59 | chealer | sgeigerbot: will this be an excuse if I tell you I still use Gaim for IRC? :) All I get is "Cette commande n'existe pas." |
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| 03:44.07 | sgeigerbot | michal_: I say this: Technology does not solve human resources problems. |
| 03:44.09 | helix | @factinfo esr |
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| 03:44.29 | helix | stupid ravenbird |
| 03:44.36 | FieldySnuts | that should work |
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| 03:44.40 | abrotman | he lives about 20 miles from me :) |
| 03:44.40 | helix | yeah |
| 03:44.41 | asuffield | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.45 | asuffield | is there some reason why this is in my inbox? |
| 03:44.46 | chealer | FieldySnuts: yeah nice factoid. "Linux d00d" :) |
| 03:44.47 | tomb0y | how do i change something to be drwxrwsr-x ? chmod +s will add to s's in there |
| 03:44.50 | sgeigerbot | michal_: perhaps what you want (if you want something *anyone* can use) is a live CD. Ever heard of ubuntu or knoppix? This stuff is blazingly easy. |
| 03:44.59 | peterS | asuffield: she's all about forwarding spam. receiving it, mostly |
| 03:45.00 | helix | asuffield: didn't I say I would forward you japanese spam? |
| 03:45.13 | asuffield | it's a copy of a deleted virus, for pity's sake |
| 03:45.19 | Wembley | hey anyone know why dpkg --configure -a would just stop with no output even with -D2000? |
| 03:45.19 | helix | there is japanese in there |
| 03:45.21 | m0rbid | doesn't drwxrwsr-x == chmod 755 ?? |
| 03:45.21 | asuffield | and signed, inexplicably |
| 03:45.28 | helix | ウイルスè¦å‘Š |
| 03:45.29 | dvs | m0rbid: no |
| 03:45.31 | peterS | m0rbid: no, that's 2775 |
| 03:45.33 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: well i'm trying to solve computer resource problems.. we don't have the spare pc's we need to test installations before we deploy them. having a machine that we could do many concurrent virtual installations on would solve that problem.. |
| 03:45.37 | tomb0y | thanks |
| 03:45.53 | sgeigerbot | michal_: use vmware. |
| 03:46.06 | abrotman | wow .. apparently my client can do some japanese .. who knew |
| 03:46.09 | chealer | what Debian IRC clients implement /lastlog ? |
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| 03:46.19 | dvs | chealer: xchat does |
| 03:46.21 | Phated | irssi-text |
| 03:46.22 | helix | chealer: istr xchat sucking at it, irssi does |
| 03:46.27 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: if we could afford vmware we could probably afford a spare computer or two :) |
| 03:46.30 | m0rbid | abrotman: you coding a client? |
| 03:46.42 | abrotman | m0rbid: no .. i just haven't tried japanese |
| 03:46.42 | michal_ | i know vmware-gsx is pretty cool |
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| 03:46.46 | Wembley | who here is good with dpkg? |
| 03:46.51 | m0rbid | ahhhh, lol |
| 03:46.57 | chealer | dvs/helix : thanks. I don't think I'm going to use irssi though |
| 03:47.13 | m0rbid | Wembley: depends on whats wrong with it... |
| 03:47.14 | helix | chealer: I haven't used xchat in a long time, it may be fine now |
| 03:47.15 | azreal | !tell Wembley about polls |
| 03:47.17 | sgeigerbot | michal_: Why don't you try to make this a little easier on yourself and us by removing some of the constraints on your situation. Whenever someone asks to do something hard like that, it is usually a simple matter of doing something simple to cause a difficult situation to become simple. Simple enough? |
| 03:47.20 | helix | (if it was ever even non-working) |
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| 03:47.43 | sgeigerbot | michal_: You might as well try creating a perpetual motion machine.... That might be easier. |
| 03:47.45 | abrotman | chealer: xchat does |
| 03:47.51 | abrotman | so does irssi |
| 03:48.05 | Wembley | m0rbid: when I do dpkg --reconfigure -a, as instructed by dpkg since it was interrupted, is just sits there and does nothing. I even triued -D2000 and it still gives no output |
| 03:48.08 | Wembley | !!! |
| 03:48.08 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 03:48.25 | sgeigerbot | ~~~ |
| 03:48.32 | sgeigerbot | !~~ |
| 03:48.36 | asuffield | ...batteries in my mouse died |
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| 03:48.45 | michal_ | sgeigerbot: if i had my way we'd purchase a decent server and vmware and be done with it.. it would be an extremely good investment and would free up at least 4 pc's and make all our lives much easier.. but our boss is scottish and he's a CHEAP bastard. so it'll never happen |
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| 03:49.00 | helix | asuffield: does it give you any warning? |
| 03:49.07 | sgeigerbot | michal_: I'm done with this thread. Sorry. Please don't continue it. |
| 03:49.07 | asuffield | helix: anyway, it's a fairly stock "Hi, I deleted a virus that was sent to you, and I'm mailing you to let you know that I'm A FUCKHEAD" message |
| 03:49.12 | azreal | Wembley: there is no dpkg --reconfigure |
| 03:49.16 | helix | asuffield: heh |
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| 03:49.21 | Wembley | azreal: I mean dpkg --configure |
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| 03:49.23 | alankelon | hello |
| 03:49.29 | asuffield | no, mouse just stops working and I have to go get new batteries |
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| 03:49.34 | helix | asuffield: I'll find a more challenging one |
| 03:49.36 | azreal | Wembley: your probably trying to do "dpkg-reconfigure" |
| 03:49.43 | alankelon | how can I set the mime type for all users? |
| 03:49.45 | asuffield | please don't, I have better things to do than translate nonsense :P |
| 03:49.47 | helix | asuffield: eh, that design is kind of subpar. it could at least beep. |
| 03:50.01 | helix | oh well |
| 03:50.08 | asuffield | <shrug> AA batteries. there are limits |
| 03:50.18 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I know. |
| 03:50.29 | Wembley | azreal: no, when I try to install a .deb, it tell me ... to do a dpkg --configure -a since it was interrupted |
| 03:50.36 | helix | abrotman: do you really have any? |
| 03:50.51 | peterS | abrotman: you might think you were joking but that's totally the way to helix's heart |
| 03:51.03 | Wembley | azreal: wait, it finally returned my prompt |
| 03:51.03 | helix | I like spam in weird languages |
| 03:51.06 | asuffield | helix: most of that was katakana anyway, *you* could read this :P |
| 03:51.10 | helix | at least I can read the portuguese stuff |
| 03:51.13 | abrotman | helix: sometimes i get some spanish/portuguese spam |
| 03:51.15 | asuffield | I *delete* spam in weird languages |
| 03:51.16 | helix | asuffield: well, I don't know katakana |
| 03:51.20 | Phated | helix: Chinese spam? :) |
| 03:51.25 | asuffield | it's piss easy |
| 03:51.28 | Wembley | helix: I get span in chinese. At least, I *think* it's chinese :) |
| 03:51.28 | helix | I get lots of asian spam |
| 03:51.33 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. i'd spam someone on #debian .. what a better way to get banned :) |
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| 03:51.40 | helix | I don't get much russian or hebrew spam |
| 03:51.45 | helix | or portuguese |
| 03:51.52 | peterS | abrotman: no seriously. helix is really odd like that. she *likes* spam |
| 03:51.53 | abrotman | helix: think about that .. |
| 03:52.05 | helix | well, I'm kind of tired of the asian spam |
| 03:52.11 | abrotman | peterS: sure .. some of it's funny .. but i'm not sure i would actively go looking for it |
| 03:52.14 | Wembley | azreal: grrr... now I'm getting an E: Cannot get debconf version. Is debconf installed? |
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| 03:52.28 | helix | abrotman: I didn't used to actively look for it, cafuego just sent me some russian spam one time. encrypted. |
| 03:52.32 | helix | and it all went downhill from there |
| 03:52.34 | azreal | helix: i get hebrew and cantonese spam, im thinking they want to move in with me along with there mobile food cart. |
| 03:52.37 | abrotman | helix: lovely ... |
| 03:52.43 | asuffield | like, "ウイルス" is just "u i ru su" (oo ee ruh suh) -> "uirusu" -> "virus", with a japanese accent |
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| 03:53.04 | Wembley | !!! |
| 03:53.06 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 03:53.08 | Wembley | Now I'm really annoyed |
| 03:53.10 | helix | asuffield: how many katakana characters (sounds?) are there? |
| 03:53.13 | Wembley | :) |
| 03:53.15 | abrotman | dude ..i can get NT 4.0 Terminal Server for $40 .. who cares if it isn't supported anymore! |
| 03:53.31 | peterS | abrotman: it's one form of flirting she finds subtle enough to enjoy from just about anyone, I gather |
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| 03:53.36 | Wembley | and now, apt-get has locked up again. Lovely |
| 03:53.38 | kain | hello. |
| 03:53.41 | helix | peterS: I never considered it flirting |
| 03:53.48 | peterS | *nod* |
| 03:53.52 | peterS | that's what I'm saying |
| 03:53.53 | helix | why are you trolling me? |
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| 03:53.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:54.04 | helix | I mean, I know this isn't unusual, really |
| 03:54.12 | helix | but it seems worse today than usual |
| 03:54.14 | asuffield | helix: there are 46 distinct glyphs, with two diacritics. they can be combined for a total of about 100 phonemes (compared to about 150 in English) |
| 03:54.20 | Wembley | does this mean my debian system is hosed? |
| 03:54.21 | helix | asuffield: ah |
| 03:54.30 | peterS | what seems worse today than usual? |
| 03:54.35 | helix | peterS: your trolling of me |
| 03:54.41 | abrotman | apparently #debian was mostly unproductive tonight :) |
| 03:54.41 | asuffield | with two alphabets; the hiragana for japanese words, and the katakana for foreign words (precisely the same meaning and structure, but different glyphs) |
| 03:54.45 | peterS | I mean, I have an answer, but it's not the sort of thing you'd normally agree with out loud |
| 03:54.49 | asuffield | you can learn them both in about six hours, spread over a week |
| 03:55.00 | dan2 | abrotman: at work we use cyclades, it kicks ass |
| 03:55.14 | abrotman | dan2: that was unexpected |
| 03:55.17 | helix | asuffield: I don't think I learn new alphabets that easily; indeed, arabic is a mindfuck right now |
| 03:55.30 | abrotman | helix: you should try hebrew ... |
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| 03:56.03 | abrotman | dan2: you need to stop working so much .. |
| 03:56.07 | azreal | Wembley: i really wouldnt no for sure, without more info, try doing an "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" see what happens as a result of that. |
| 03:56.11 | Wembley | dpkg is not locked up completely, just runnign very slow |
| 03:56.11 | dpkg | Wembley: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 03:56.29 | helix | !esr |
| 03:56.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, esr is a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns and who can't figure out CUPS. The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar.. Eric S. Raymond, or somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000" |
| 03:56.34 | helix | !factinfo esr |
| 03:56.34 | dpkg | esr -- created by srid <~sri@203.101.35.224> at Wed Oct 20 14:42:17 2004 (117 days); it has been requested 12 times, last by helix, 5s ago. |
| 03:56.48 | peterS | helix: anyway, I was educating abrotman. I had to repeat myself a few times, with variations, because he didn't believe me. maybe it was the repetition that you thought trollish? |
| 03:56.51 | Wembley | dpkg: ok, I did run a apt-get update and an apt-get upgrade |
| 03:56.52 | dpkg | Wembley: are you smoking crack? |
| 03:56.58 | Wembley | dpkg: no |
| 03:56.58 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 03:57.02 | abrotman | peterS: that she likes strange spam ? |
| 03:57.05 | peterS | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:57.07 | helix | peterS: I'm not just referring to the spam topic |
| 03:57.09 | mrwill | dpkg: where have you been? |
| 03:57.09 | dpkg | out drinking with the bots. |
| 03:57.12 | Wembley | dpkg version |
| 03:57.12 | dpkg | somebody said version was Debian = Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 "Woody" | dpkg = blootbot |
| 03:57.14 | Wembley | ok |
| 03:57.16 | Wembley | it is |
| 03:57.20 | mrwill | yes |
| 03:57.21 | abrotman | peterS: everyone has odd hobbies .. if that's hers .. so be it ... |
| 03:57.29 | mbucc | sgeigerbot: you like xen better than vserver? |
| 03:57.29 | asuffield | helix: no, really. all you have to do is buy this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/4889960724/ |
| 03:57.34 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, I don't have a problem with it, it just seems a bit odder than most people's |
| 03:57.35 | helix | abrotman: he is not much of a "live and let live" person :) |
| 03:57.36 | asuffield | (or find it in a *really* good library) |
| 03:57.48 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.53 | abrotman | helix: oh .... well . maybe you can re-educate him |
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| 03:57.59 | mrwill | dpkg version |
| 03:58.00 | dpkg | methinks version is Debian = Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 "Woody" | dpkg = blootbot |
| 03:58.00 | Wembley | ok, here's the problem |
| 03:58.06 | helix | abrotman: I've been trying for over a year; he's hopeless |
| 03:58.15 | mrwill | oops, meant /msg that |
| 03:58.22 | helix | asuffield: ok |
| 03:58.26 | Wembley | it seems that dpkg is not recorded as installed? |
| 03:58.27 | abrotman | helix: heh .. he's from kansas .. what do you expect :) |
| 03:58.32 | helix | true :) |
| 03:58.36 | azreal | dpkg: your a jerk, a complete kneebiter. |
| 03:58.36 | dpkg | azreal: i haven't a clue |
| 03:58.36 | asuffield | (of course, the kana are the japanese written equivalent of baby-talk; alone they are of limited use) |
| 03:58.48 | abrotman | azreal: leave the bot alone |
| 03:58.50 | Wembley | Unpacking libdb1-compat (from .../libdb1-compat_2.1.3-7_i386.deb) ... |
| 03:58.50 | Wembley | Selecting previously deselected package libc6. |
| 03:58.50 | Wembley | Unpacking libc6 (from .../libc6_2.3.2.ds1-20_i386.deb) ... |
| 03:58.50 | Wembley | dpkg not recorded as installed, cannot check for epoch support ! |
| 03:58.50 | Wembley | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-20_i386.deb (--unpack): |
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| 03:58.50 | dpkg | Wembley: i haven't a clue |
| 03:58.51 | dpkg | You are moron #9, Wembley |
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| 03:59.04 | Wembley | oops |
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| 03:59.04 | abrotman | Wembley: see /topic .. don't flood |
| 03:59.09 | peterS | abrotman: I don't need *you* to join the trolling. helix is annoying enough when *she* does it (particularly when she is engaged in calling *me* a troll, which seems to be a lot of the same times) |
| 03:59.10 | helix | why is dpkg using french punctuation? |
| 03:59.17 | Wembley | but thats what I get |
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| 03:59.19 | asuffield | helix: iwj is FUCKING INSANE |
| 03:59.20 | helix | peterS: because you ARE a troll |
| 03:59.25 | asuffield | Wembley: your system is deeply fucked |
| 03:59.27 | abrotman | peterS: hey .. you can pick on me all you want .. you and helix can double team me .. |
| 03:59.29 | helix | asuffield: heh, ok |
| 03:59.34 | asuffield | Wembley: time to break out the backups |
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| 03:59.43 | Wembley | ummm |
| 03:59.44 | guilinuxsux | hi |
| 03:59.47 | peterS | <helix> abrotman: he is not much of a "live and let live" person :) says the one who calls *me* a troll |
| 03:59.51 | Wembley | that *is* my backup server |
| 03:59.51 | asuffield | helix: the punctuation in everything he writes is like an escherite dream |
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| 03:59.57 | helix | really ! |
| 04:00.00 | abrotman | peterS: perhaps .. but you do live in kansas :) |
| 04:00.01 | guilinuxsux | any xandros support in here? |
| 04:00.06 | peterS | abrotman: certainly |
| 04:00.06 | Phated | No. |
| 04:00.09 | abrotman | !xandros |
| 04:00.09 | dpkg | from memory, xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 04:00.14 | abrotman | bah .. maybe #xandros |
| 04:00.17 | eric | Anyone have a WPC54G working in sarge.....? |
| 04:00.17 | helix | peterS: I'm entitled to retaliate. you never stop on your own. |
| 04:00.29 | asuffield | Wembley: it is not possible to get into this scenario without something going horribly, deeply wrong. so now it's your in-need-of-backup server |
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| 04:00.40 | Wembley | hmmm |
| 04:00.41 | Phated | I sense the happy leaving. <runs away> |
| 04:00.43 | dvs | eric: Linksys? |
| 04:00.53 | asuffield | the happy.... what? |
| 04:01.04 | eric | <dvs> yes... |
| 04:01.06 | Wembley | can I re-install from netinst without trashing the stuff in my /usr/local and /home directories? |
| 04:01.11 | asuffield | Phated: have you been drinking the kool-aid again? |
| 04:01.12 | dvs | eric: wireless? |
| 04:01.15 | eric | Yes |
| 04:01.20 | peterS | helix: if that's how you wish to think of it. I think your own trolling so soon after accusing me of it is more than a little hypocritical, but - shrug - clearly you don't see it that way |
| 04:01.23 | Phated | asuffield: Hmmmm? |
| 04:01.24 | abrotman | Wembley: if they are seperate partitions |
| 04:01.26 | kain | ... |
| 04:01.29 | dvs | eric: No clue about wireless... sorry |
| 04:01.32 | guilinuxsux | could someone help a xandros user :-p |
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| 04:01.36 | helix | peterS: well, I try to ignore you for as long as possible, but you keep going |
| 04:01.37 | Phated | No. |
| 04:01.39 | guilinuxsux | with a gmplayer issue |
| 04:01.41 | abrotman | didn't we just say no ? |
| 04:01.47 | shingouz | guilinuxsux: no |
| 04:01.50 | helix | peterS: so I tell you to stop trolling, you play dumb, and keep doing it |
| 04:01.52 | asuffield | guilinuxsux: sure. xandros could. not us. go away. |
| 04:01.53 | Phated | Aw, come on, helix, peterS, chill... Cookie? :) |
| 04:02.01 | peterS | Phated: call the ops, clearly we need to be +q'd |
| 04:02.03 | Wembley | but the thing is, all the services seem to be running fine |
| 04:02.05 | asuffield | helix doesn't do "chill", she does "angry" |
| 04:02.06 | guilinuxsux | debian users suck lol |
| 04:02.13 | abrotman | guilinuxsux: we do .. now get |
| 04:02.13 | Phated | peterS: :/ |
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| 04:02.20 | Phated | out. |
| 04:02.22 | guilinuxsux | always nay saying |
| 04:02.27 | Phated | Nay! |
| 04:02.29 | peterS | Phated: yeah, it's kind of a quandary when one of the ops is involved in this sort of thing |
| 04:02.30 | asuffield | nay nay nay. now scat |
| 04:02.33 | eric | Hey Folks...what Wireless cards are being used for "G" |
| 04:02.36 | shingouz | Ni! |
| 04:02.37 | asuffield | or we'll start saying ni |
| 04:02.37 | adjacent | nee |
| 04:02.40 | asuffield | ...too late |
| 04:02.41 | Phated | peterS: My point precisely. |
| 04:02.42 | Wembley | theres no way to change the database so that it says "dpkg is installed" ? |
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| 04:02.56 | helix | peterS: then perhaps from now on when I tell you to stop trolling, you should listen. :) |
| 04:02.59 | asuffield | Wembley: <shrug> that wouldn't fix the underlying problem, whatever it is |
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| 04:03.08 | asuffield | Wembley: your system is broken, badly |
| 04:03.17 | eric | Hey wireless cards...please! |
| 04:03.23 | abrotman | #wireless ? |
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| 04:03.36 | eric | What if any is being used in here |
| 04:03.45 | helix | Wembley: I think maybe you should consider listening to asuffield |
| 04:03.55 | helix | Wembley: why don't you have dpkg? |
| 04:04.04 | abrotman | he quit ? |
| 04:04.07 | Wembley | It appears that the database that dpkg uses is cooked |
| 04:04.08 | asuffield | helix: he probably trashed his status database or something. that's what they usually do |
| 04:04.19 | helix | trashed it by hand? |
| 04:04.21 | Wembley | I have a backup of the /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 04:04.26 | Phated | helix: Always likely. |
| 04:04.29 | abrotman | asuffield: but you can fix that without reinstalling |
| 04:04.32 | asuffield | Wembley: if you have backups then *use them* |
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| 04:04.40 | asuffield | abrotman: I told him to restore from backup :P |
| 04:04.45 | Wembley | asuffield: but the thing is, this box *is* the backup server! |
| 04:04.48 | abrotman | asuffield: yeah .. that might work |
| 04:05.00 | Wembley | asuffield: all the backups go onto this box via ftp |
| 04:05.13 | asuffield | and you forgot to backup that server. "oops" |
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| 04:05.38 | Wembley | asuffield: I thought that the /var/run/dpkg/status file might have been the problem so I deleted it |
| 04:05.46 | abrotman | yay |
| 04:05.48 | Wembley | asuffield: but I backed it up firt |
| 04:05.55 | Wembley | asuffield: should I put it back? |
| 04:06.03 | asuffield | they always do something inexplicable and insane. don't go deleting random files! |
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| 04:06.14 | azreal | Wembley: i would expect it couldnt hurt to try. |
| 04:06.20 | asuffield | where's greycat when you want to despair at the behaviour of users? |
| 04:06.23 | abrotman | asuffield: i once deleted all of /tmp/* .. luckily i was ok |
| 04:06.32 | abrotman | !magic hate ball |
| 04:06.34 | jcb | how can i disable the kernel 2.6 oom kill? |
| 04:06.39 | abrotman | they fucking broke it!! |
| 04:06.40 | helix | we had someone delete libc6 one time |
| 04:06.44 | Wembley | One time I was annoyed at a test box |
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| 04:06.57 | Wembley | so I was gonna trash the linux install and restart it |
| 04:07.20 | Wembley | the only problem was that I had a samba mount onto another server |
| 04:07.38 | alankelon | how can I set the mime type for all users? |
| 04:07.39 | Wembley | which I didnt unmount before I did a rm -rf * in my / directory |
| 04:07.55 | abrotman | Wembley: now you're trolling |
| 04:07.59 | Wembley | ok dpkg is working now |
| 04:08.28 | Wembley | I put that backup I made of /var/run/dpkg/status back, and it is now working |
| 04:08.39 | Wembley | at least, it *appears* to be |
| 04:08.40 | asuffield | helix: I watched doogie do an rm -rf / once, that was entertaining |
| 04:08.43 | helix | hahaha |
| 04:08.51 | helix | he did this on purpose? |
| 04:08.58 | asuffield | it's far more fun when the person responsible knows exactly what they just did and how much work they'll have to do to clean it up |
| 04:09.07 | helix | yeah, that would be heartbreaking |
| 04:09.11 | asuffield | no, he did that by being an incompetant fool :P |
| 04:09.15 | azreal | ive actually been trolling commercially. power and hand trolling. :) |
| 04:09.21 | helix | maybe that's what happened to lully |
| 04:09.25 | asuffield | hit enter on a mistyped rm command without reading it first |
| 04:09.29 | helix | ouch |
| 04:09.31 | helix | did he cry? |
| 04:09.38 | peterS | I be he just hit ctrl-c |
| 04:09.40 | peterS | bet |
| 04:09.42 | asuffield | I'm not sure. he certainly wailed for about half an hour on #-devel |
| 04:10.00 | asuffield | peterS: on a reasonably fast box, it can take out all the critical system stuff before you notice |
| 04:10.13 | Fidget007 | Can someone suggest to me a benefit of Debian over say Gentoo is? Something more pertinent than binary installs |
| 04:10.13 | helix | yeah, I was gonna ask how much stuff it could take out before you hit ctrl-c |
| 04:10.18 | asuffield | peterS: all the important things always sort to the top, because rm runs in approximately creation order |
| 04:10.27 | asuffield | you can generally save /home, but your system will not boot again |
| 04:10.39 | azreal | Fidget007: stability. |
| 04:10.43 | asuffield | and if you're unlucky then you don't have a root shell open |
| 04:10.56 | abrotman | !tell Fidget007 about why debian |
| 04:11.17 | Wembley | asuffield: I think that its now working again, the packages that were supposed to be installed when I did the apt-get upgrade are now installing |
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| 04:11.31 | ShadowGuy | Debian.... |
| 04:11.45 | Wembley | asuffield: its a dammned good thing I backed up the /var/run/dpkg/status file |
| 04:11.47 | abrotman | Guy.... |
| 04:11.52 | Phated | Yes, that's what we're running, thank yuo for playing! |
| 04:11.55 | Wembley | asuffield: before I deleted it |
| 04:12.05 | arango | What is the meaning of the third column in lsmod ? |
| 04:12.14 | peterS | asuffield: if you didn't have a root shell open, how did you run 'rm -rf /'? |
| 04:12.21 | asuffield | peterS: sudo |
| 04:12.21 | ShadowGuy | Aaarghbian |
| 04:12.32 | Fidget007 | abrotman: thanks, that's the sort of info I was wanting :) |
| 04:12.33 | asuffield | peterS: or su -c, or similar |
| 04:12.44 | peterS | asuffield: so, you type sudo, you wait for the password prompt, you type your password, and all the while you don't notice that you typed 'rm -rf /'? |
| 04:12.46 | ShadowGuy | Shit. I cant get Debian to install. |
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| 04:13.08 | asuffield | peterS: sudo doesn't ask for the password every time |
| 04:13.17 | peterS | true. so I guess you could get unlucky |
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| 04:13.44 | ShadowGuy | can u help/ |
| 04:13.51 | asuffield | but yeah, people can type their password without reading the command. I've never seen that done for an rm -rf, but I've seen people do some really stupid things |
| 04:14.09 | Wembley | hey how well suited is debian for use in whats going to be an appliance-type system |
| 04:14.16 | asuffield | (also managed to yell "STOOOOOOOOOOOOOP" in a couple of ears in time) |
| 04:14.24 | Wembley | something I can put on a computer, give to my older family members |
| 04:14.39 | Wembley | and have it be a plug-and-play system for getting email and web |
| 04:14.49 | baroni | Does anybody here has succeded using trickle to limit net bandwith of an apt-get command ? |
| 04:14.59 | ShadowGuy | I CANT FUCKING GET DEBIAN INSTALLED!!!! |
| 04:15.04 | sussudio | !fuck ShadowGuy |
| 04:15.05 | Wembley | the theory I have is that I can remote-in and fix anything that goes wrong |
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| 04:15.10 | asuffield | Wembley: if you're a sample of the 'intelligent' ones, then I wouldn't trust the older ones with a sharp object, let alone Debian. no. |
| 04:15.30 | ShadowGuy | !fuck sussudio |
| 04:15.38 | helix | ShadowGuy, sussudio: cut it out |
| 04:15.50 | Xenguy | ShadowGuy: that's a good way to get /ignored you know |
| 04:15.53 | Wembley | asuffield: I am familiar with debian |
| 04:15.56 | Phated | Heh, I love "gently like a crazed weasel". |
| 04:16.02 | ShadowGuy | !fuck Phated |
| 04:16.05 | factotum | i dunno, my uncle just started out on his first system running debian. Ive only gotten 2 phone calls so far |
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| 04:16.07 | asuffield | Phated: haven't you ever fucked a crazed weasel? |
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| 04:16.13 | Wembley | asuffield: just never had a problem with dpkg before |
| 04:16.19 | Phated | asuffield: Usually not gently. |
| 04:16.23 | toubsu | can you copy passwd/shadow/group files from one comp to another? |
| 04:16.30 | Wembley | asuffield: at least I know to back up possibly important files before I delete them :) |
| 04:16.31 | peterS | toubsu: yes |
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| 04:16.49 | peterS | toubsu: it's usually a good idea to copy home directories over, or at least create them, while you're at it |
| 04:17.04 | asuffield | toubsu: you *can*. but you have to know what you're doing |
| 04:17.17 | asuffield | toubsu: it's only the first step in a very involved process |
| 04:17.19 | toubsu | peterS: can you piece together the files also, as long as you don't overlay id #s? |
| 04:17.30 | peterS | toubsu: sure |
| 04:17.39 | toubsu | would that be better? |
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| 04:17.42 | peterS | toubsu: if you renumber people, you have to chown their files |
| 04:17.53 | peterS | toubsu: but that's the only real problem |
| 04:18.01 | toubsu | and are there any other files im not thinking of? passwd/shadow/group |
| 04:18.05 | asuffield | and processes. and update any scripts that reference the names |
| 04:18.07 | peterS | toubsu: those are the ones |
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| 04:18.22 | FlimFlamMan | so, i've got a red hat 7.x box with a bunch of user accounts with uids < 1000, samba shares, amanda backup server, and some custom admin scripts. how much of a headache would it be to migrate to sarge? what might trip me up? |
| 04:18.22 | lispy | where can i get the source for ld.so? |
| 04:18.24 | asuffield | there's also about a million user files in /var |
| 04:18.25 | toubsu | peterS: cool, that saves me some serious time, thanks |
| 04:18.33 | asuffield | lispy: libc5 |
| 04:18.43 | lispy | asuffield: thanks |
| 04:18.47 | peterS | toubsu: as asuffield hints, if a user is already logged in, they'll suddenly get a bit confused when you do this |
| 04:19.14 | asuffield | lispy: very strange thing to be looking for |
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| 04:19.15 | toubsu | asuffield: most of the users are set to /sbin/nologin anyways |
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| 04:19.15 | toubsu | but there are about 40 |
| 04:19.29 | lispy | asuffield: i'm on a solaris 8 machine, and i think /lib/ld.so is too old to work with a program i want to compile |
| 04:19.30 | asuffield | FlimFlamMan: massive, and lots. don't do it. install a new sarge box, configure it with the same services, then copy user files across |
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| 04:19.50 | asuffield | lispy: then you're in the wrong place. this is #debian. nothing to do with solaris |
| 04:20.04 | peterS | toubsu: don't forget to chown stuff in /var/mail |
| 04:20.18 | lispy | asuffield: yes, but you knew where i can get gnu ld.so ;) |
| 04:20.19 | asuffield | and /var/spool/cron, and .... |
| 04:20.22 | peterS | toubsu: also /var/tmp and /tmp if you care about those, but ordinary users don't usually have many files elsewhere |
| 04:20.24 | lispy | asuffield: which is what i wanted to know |
| 04:20.32 | FlimFlamMan | asuffield, what about migrating user accounts, file permissions, etc? |
| 04:20.34 | asuffield | lispy: and completely useless on solaris |
| 04:20.43 | lispy | asuffield: why? |
| 04:20.57 | asuffield | FlimFlamMan: file permissions go with the files; use tar or rsync to copy them. user accounts can be done by hand if there are few, or by script if there are many |
| 04:20.59 | FlimFlamMan | lots of group memberships, and what about changing the uids so they're > 1000 |
| 04:21.02 | lispy | asuffield: even if i build it? |
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| 04:21.38 | asuffield | lispy: because solaris binaries are not the same as debian binaries. the runtime linker for one is not going to load binaries from the other |
| 04:22.11 | lispy | asuffield: that's okay, i wasn't very clean |
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| 04:22.15 | lispy | asuffield: er clear |
| 04:22.22 | lispy | asuffield: i'm building all this stuff from source |
| 04:22.35 | asuffield | FlimFlamMan: you probably want to recreate the user accounts with the same settings. you can't just copy the files |
| 04:22.38 | lispy | asuffield: i really just needed to know where to get the source for the program |
| 04:22.40 | asuffield | lispy: just install Debian on the damn thing |
| 04:22.43 | Phated | Heh, Solaristoo? |
| 04:22.49 | lispy | asuffield: i don't have root.... |
| 04:22.51 | asuffield | Phated: nah, that's about par for solaris |
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| 04:22.58 | Phated | Ah. |
| 04:23.14 | asuffield | this is pretty off the wall though, even for solaris |
| 04:23.16 | lispy | or physical access |
| 04:23.49 | nvz | these damn texans stop serving alcohol at like 9pm here, I almost had to go to the bar.. but this asian dude up the road at one of the gas stations sold me some brew :P |
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| 04:24.12 | dvs | 9pm? You're kidding right? |
| 04:24.12 | Wembley | wow, here in NH you can buy until 11:45, I think |
| 04:24.17 | asuffield | "brew" |
| 04:24.28 | Wembley | but I'm allergic so I wouldnt know |
| 04:24.33 | asuffield | it's probably fermented rat droppings or something |
| 04:24.34 | FlimFlamMan | used to be 8pm and closed on sundays here in CT until a few months ago |
| 04:24.35 | nvz | nope on weekdays its 9pm |
| 04:24.41 | nvz | thats terrible |
| 04:24.54 | nvz | If I was an alcoholic I would be pissed |
| 04:24.59 | FlimFlamMan | chicago - bars open til 4am |
| 04:25.16 | Wembley | anyone here hever see a hacking tool with a filename of 90 |
| 04:25.17 | nvz | the bars stay open later, but at the stores you cant buy after 9pm |
| 04:25.26 | peterS | midnight, here, I think |
| 04:25.27 | Wembley | someone used it on my firewall box |
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| 04:25.47 | dvs | nvz: Ok, that's about the same as here. |
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| 04:26.12 | Wembley | I logged in as a user, and ran it, and it gave me the # prompt |
| 04:26.15 | Wembley | and I was root |
| 04:26.19 | nvz | I am pretty sure a 6pk would cost a lot more at the bar, and this is a small town, so I dont really think its too social. |
| 04:26.53 | FlimFlamMan | does anyone know of a good guide for getting ldap auth working on sarge for shell, apache, samba, etc, without making you want to drive a nail through your testicle? |
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| 04:27.57 | asuffield | FlimFlamMan: can't be done. been there, studied the issues, started writing the software to solve them. not finished. come back in 12 months. |
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| 04:28.28 | FlimFlamMan | asuffield, do you have any notes on the problem up anywhere? |
| 04:28.30 | asuffield | not gonna happen before sarge releases, for sure, because there's a glibc bug involved |
| 04:28.36 | Phated | The nail through testicle is however available free on #debian, one per customer. |
| 04:28.50 | nvz | damn I am glad I stopped trying to setup LDAP, the nail through the testicle doesnt sound fun |
| 04:28.51 | asuffield | no, but the solution is http://people.debian.org/~asuffield/lookupd/ |
| 04:29.14 | asuffield | however it can't be used yet. that glibc bug breaks it fatally. need to finish writing it too |
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| 04:29.37 | Wembley | asuffield: the nailgun or ldap? |
| 04:29.40 | FlimFlamMan | asuffield, so, 12 months before ldap auth is feasible... |
| 04:29.52 | asuffield | FlimFlamMan: it's feasible now. it's just very painful. |
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| 04:30.12 | ace2001ac | Phated: nail through testicle? |
| 04:30.14 | FlimFlamMan | asuffield, so you're saying it's doable, but the nail->testicle is part of the package deal |
| 04:30.19 | asuffield | FlimFlamMan: pretty much, yeah |
| 04:30.21 | cycom | Borgon: great. Now dual boot with a stage 1 gentoo :p |
| 04:30.24 | nvz | damn, takes me like 30secons, or as long as it takes to partition, and copy base from the install source.. I could probably netinstall on a 9600baud in less than 15 hours |
| 04:30.25 | FlimFlamMan | ok... |
| 04:30.33 | Phated | ace2001ac: Nail, meet testicle, testicle... oh, never mind, you're ded. |
| 04:30.41 | cycom | Borgon: just for the sheer pain factor |
| 04:30.48 | Xenguy | Borgon: way to go - have a beer :-) |
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| 04:30.52 | asuffield | ldap auth just does not work nicely at present, due to design flaws. lookupd is the solution to the design flaws, but it's not ready ye |
| 04:30.53 | asuffield | t |
| 04:31.22 | Borgon | Does anyone know what "Pic error 40 cpu:0" mean? |
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| 04:32.06 | cycom | Phated: I've got a story worse than that. |
| 04:32.13 | cycom | Darwin Awards rock. |
| 04:32.14 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.25 | nvz | would be my guess |
| 04:32.25 | Phated | cycom: I'm sure you do. I'm not sure I care. |
| 04:32.39 | FlimFlamMan | asuffield, is lookupd a pet project or is a sure thing to work with apache samba etc |
| 04:33.01 | cycom | if you do, go read the darwin award book |
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| 04:33.22 | asuffield | apache and samba are irrelevant. this is deep libc stuff |
| 04:33.32 | asuffield | they'll work with lookupd if they work at all |
| 04:33.38 | FlimFlamMan | ok. |
| 04:34.58 | asuffield | (now, the problems with pam ldap auth are different, but much less painful. we all know how to fix that, but nobody has the energy) |
| 04:36.00 | FlimFlamMan | thumbtack instead of nail? |
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| 04:37.17 | nvz | alright, testicles are off-topic. but if you must talk about em, lets make it a happier story |
| 04:38.41 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 04:38.43 | nvz | man I could have went to the bar and sat around getting drunk talking to myself :P |
| 04:39.24 | Phated | No story involving testicles can possibly be happy. |
| 04:39.26 | mbucc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:39.26 | baroni | How to know what kind of debian version a packages belongs to in a debian with testing and unstable packages ? |
| 04:39.43 | FlimFlamMan | majorette boots with a fuzzy strip around the top. and bells. |
| 04:40.18 | helix | Phated: pfft |
| 04:40.25 | nvz | Phated: ... |
| 04:40.35 | Phated | Hmmmm? |
| 04:40.44 | baroni | I mean, is there some way to get info about if a package <pkg-name> belongs to testing or unstable ? |
| 04:40.48 | asuffield | Phated: ... |
| 04:40.55 | ace2001ac | Phated: not when it involves harming them |
| 04:41.00 | baroni | A installed package |
| 04:41.10 | Phated | I have rendered asuffield speechless. My work here is done. |
| 04:41.17 | helix | baroni: apt-cache policy packagename ? |
| 04:41.19 | Kvant | baroni, try apt-cache policy pkg-name |
| 04:41.24 | asuffield | Phated: I'm sure helix can tell you some stories involving testicles that were "happy" |
| 04:41.31 | Phated | asuffield: Hehe. |
| 04:41.33 | helix | like the time someone teabagged asuffield |
| 04:41.35 | helix | that was happy! |
| 04:41.42 | Phated | <koff> -Really-... |
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| 04:41.56 | Wembley | teabagged? |
| 04:41.59 | nvz | heh |
| 04:42.03 | Wembley | thats a term I'm unfamiliar with |
| 04:42.03 | nvz | gawd |
| 04:42.10 | nvz | Wembley: use your imagination |
| 04:42.11 | FlimFlamMan | yeah right. |
| 04:42.11 | baroni | helix, Kvant: apt-cache policy does not show that information |
| 04:42.14 | zeeble | raghu: are you the raghu from cochin - the one who does HAM radio? |
| 04:42.23 | helix | Wembley: check urbandictionary |
| 04:42.27 | Wembley | ok |
| 04:42.30 | nvz | Wembley: remember we are talking about testicles |
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| 04:42.36 | FieldySnuts | we are? |
| 04:42.37 | ugexe | i need to mount my cdrom and when i type mount cdrom it says device not found in fstab. in fstab it has /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 (other stuff) however in /dev there is no hda and there is no cdrom0 in /media |
| 04:42.40 | Phated | Or, just... maintain your innocence... |
| 04:42.41 | Wembley | oh thats naaaaaaasty |
| 04:42.41 | dvs | !dick teabagged |
| 04:42.45 | nvz | FieldySnuts: yeah pretty much |
| 04:42.49 | Phated | Hah, look at FieldySnuts pop up. |
| 04:42.49 | FieldySnuts | Phated: something you can't do |
| 04:42.52 | FieldySnuts | shush |
| 04:42.59 | Phated | dvs: How very apropos. |
| 04:43.04 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) *huggles* |
| 04:43.14 | helix | oh, is FieldySnuts back to being male now? |
| 04:43.17 | dvs | Phated: Worth a shot (even though I can't spell) |
| 04:43.20 | helix | instead of pretending to be female? |
| 04:43.42 | FlimFlamMan | feel these nuts |
| 04:43.52 | FlimFlamMan | fieldysnuts |
| 04:44.05 | baroni | Strange, but seems that there is none command that gives that info |
| 04:44.13 | Borgon | Hey, i gotta install brctl, i did apt-cache search brctl and i couldnt find anything.. any ideas? |
| 04:44.31 | asuffield | helix: I don't really care, videotaping these two has got to be worth a fortune |
| 04:44.45 | Kvant | baroni, do you have sources in sources.list for both testing and unstable? |
| 04:44.55 | baroni | Kvant: yes |
| 04:44.57 | helix | asuffield: FieldySnuts and Phated? |
| 04:45.05 | Phated | helix: For his kiddiepr0n. |
| 04:45.23 | asuffield | they banned that stuff in the UK. do you have any idea what it sells for now? |
| 04:45.29 | helix | yeah, I guess "underage" fits his definition of cute |
| 04:45.30 | Phated | See? |
| 04:45.38 | Kvant | baroni, then policy should show which sources pkg:s come from |
| 04:45.49 | asuffield | although technically I don't think Phated qualifies, people are unlikely to tell the difference |
| 04:46.00 | asuffield | helix: fuck cute. this fits my definition of "profit" |
| 04:46.02 | helix | asuffield: what did they ban exactly? |
| 04:46.03 | helix | haha |
| 04:46.05 | Phated | I'm -only- 5 months over underage. |
| 04:46.08 | sanxiyn | Oh, cuteness discussion continues? |
| 04:46.15 | asuffield | helix: in the UK, it is illegal to own a picture of your own child naked, which you drew yourself |
| 04:46.21 | helix | what!! |
| 04:46.23 | asuffield | helix: I am not kidding |
| 04:46.26 | peterS | sanxiyn: funny thing about them |
| 04:46.26 | nvz | sanxiyn: not really, its just that the testicle talk has led us back |
| 04:46.26 | Phated | No shit... |
| 04:46.27 | helix | I thought the US was backwards |
| 04:46.44 | baroni | Kvant: uhm! Is there any way to force to get that info from the binaries packages ? |
| 04:46.46 | sanxiyn | Who asked about brctl? |
| 04:46.46 | asuffield | helix: by and large we're okay, but we have some real weird stuff at times |
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| 04:47.00 | Phated | Hm, why would you be drawing your kid naked anyway? Granted, everyone knows that naked baby pictures are wonderful blackmail material... |
| 04:47.26 | helix | asuffield: is there an age limit? I mean, is it ok to have a drawn naked picture of a one month old but not a 5 year old? |
| 04:47.29 | asuffield | helix: this law is, of course, completely unenforced. the anti-kiddiepr0n police task force mostly goes around confiscating boxes, and then running the windows 'Find files or folders' tool looking for filenames which are on their list as "known offenses" |
| 04:47.38 | asuffield | helix: 16 or 18, I forget which |
| 04:47.47 | asuffield | helix: oh, lower end? no |
| 04:47.49 | nvz | shit, not as good as playing makeover.. naked is nothing to be ashamed of |
| 04:47.50 | asuffield | helix: really stupid law |
| 04:47.53 | helix | wow |
| 04:48.06 | sanxiyn | Borgon: Still there? |
| 04:48.10 | asuffield | helix: they passed one without redrafting it six times for once. must have been something in the water that day |
| 04:48.24 | helix | pretty bizarre |
| 04:48.31 | asuffield | Phated: you have naked baby pictures? |
| 04:48.41 | Phated | asuffield: I seem to recall one, yes. |
| 04:48.42 | m0rbid | bad time to get in teh convo eh? |
| 04:48.43 | helix | everyone has naked baby pictures |
| 04:48.45 | ireverentReveren | what does it mean when grub just loads the word "grub" and then freezes? |
| 04:48.58 | dvs | ireverentReveren: clean your room? |
| 04:48.58 | Borgon | sanxiyn, yeah i got it, it was bridge utils |
| 04:48.59 | m0rbid | ireverentReveren: something or someone screwed up |
| 04:49.06 | sanxiyn | Borgon: yup :-) |
| 04:50.20 | nvz | you can lock up a lot of processes across a network of machines, just by rebooting a samba server :P |
| 04:50.30 | asuffield | helix: not everybody, some people are born furry |
| 04:50.42 | helix | heh |
| 04:50.43 | helix | ew |
| 04:52.01 | sanxiyn | re: "born furry". I'm speechless. |
| 04:52.35 | m0rbid | wtf? odd conversations go on here on mondays.. |
| 04:52.49 | chealer | obviously :) |
| 04:52.49 | nvz | s/on mondays// |
| 04:52.50 | peterS | m0rbid: because it's Sunday |
| 04:52.50 | ace2001ac | i much prefer the "losing then in a hurricane" explaination to not having any |
| 04:52.52 | Phated | Yeah yeah. You ain't never been here on Fridays. |
| 04:53.31 | asuffield | it's TUESDAY! |
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| 04:53.35 | asuffield | geez |
| 04:53.41 | sanxiyn | Yes, it's Tuesday here. |
| 04:53.41 | Phated | Monday, actually. |
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| 04:53.48 | sanxiyn | (UTC+9) |
| 04:53.51 | asuffield | Phated: you're just on the wrong side of the world |
| 04:54.02 | nvz | gah, something is jamming the smbmount point, and wont let me unmount it :P there has got to be a legit way to avoid this deadlocking of clients when the samba server goes awol |
| 04:54.07 | Phated | Hmmm. No, it's tuesday. |
| 04:54.09 | Wembley | I thought it was Thursday (??) |
| 04:54.14 | Phated | Sorry, spent all day asleep, thought it was Monday. |
| 04:54.51 | asuffield | nvz: you *are* using cifs and not smbfs, right? |
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| 04:55.18 | nvz | asuffield: I am using smbfs AFAIK, I dont know what cifs is |
| 04:55.32 | zeeble | i was wondering why you all were talking about monday so long :/ |
| 04:55.34 | asuffield | smbfs is an unmitigated load of crap. cifs is the reimplementation without the deep suckage, in 2.6 |
| 04:56.02 | ireverentReveren | when i attach a harddrive to a newly installed promise controller, grub freezes (all the screen says is "GRUB"... i have tried different drives and a different promise controller.... what is this a symptom of? |
| 04:56.06 | Lord-Cereburus | its tuesday in 4 minutes here |
| 04:56.14 | dvs | Lord-Cereburus: same here |
| 04:56.16 | chealer | in 3 minutes here! |
| 04:56.22 | asuffield | there should be a 'soft' argument for cifs, like for nfs. I don't know if it's in a 2.6 release yet |
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| 04:56.41 | guru | what is the "de-facto" ftp daemon on debian? |
| 04:56.48 | sanxiyn | chealer: Sync time with NTP servers. |
| 04:57.13 | Phated | chealer: Yeah, really. |
| 04:57.15 | sanxiyn | chealer: oh, now it is 3 min. |
| 04:57.16 | guru | chealer: ntpdate time.nist.gov is what i do |
| 04:57.21 | nvz | mmm, Distirbed "Dropping Plates" came on when I remounted :P not really my fav kind of music, but I guess its good to drink to. |
| 04:57.45 | chealer | sanxiyn: doh. I made that in the previous month. I'd need a tool to analyze how much my mobo loses track of time and adapt itself |
| 04:57.46 | sanxiyn | guru: vsftpd |
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| 04:57.50 | nvz | asuffield: cool, I should check it out sometime.. but not anytime soon.. I just recently compiled 2.4.29 kernels all around :P |
| 04:57.58 | guru | nvz: heh, i was moving around my partitions once and break stuff started playing...i almost paniced ;) |
| 04:58.04 | sanxiyn | guru: Others will disagree. |
| 04:58.09 | chealer | or maybe just KDE 3.4 if it's as good as WinXP regarding NTP stuff |
| 04:58.13 | dvs | chealer: Why? It can automatically set the time every time you start up debian |
| 04:58.28 | guru | sanxiyn: all i need is an ftp server for my LAN...something that i can allow or deny access based on ip addresses |
| 04:58.30 | Wembley | you know, TV at midnight really sucks |
| 04:58.42 | chealer | dvs: using a package in particular? |
| 04:58.45 | michal_ | do the new debian-installer sarge netinst disks download the list of base packages off the internet? i could swear that it's trying to install MUCH more stuff by default now than it was a couple of days ago.. |
| 04:58.47 | guru | kinda like apache's .htaccess (allow from 192.168.1.200 deny from */) |
| 04:58.49 | nvz | guru: gparted worked for me when I was trying to resize a 60gb partition and appeared to loose it all.. it put the partition table right back the way it was before I fucked it up.. and I was able to restore all data |
| 04:58.56 | dvs | Wembley: ntpdate |
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| 04:59.03 | dvs | chealer: ntpdate |
| 04:59.15 | dvs | Wembley: I'm watching Jay... ok you're right |
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| 04:59.30 | adjacent | i have a router that has eth1 for a WAN and wlan0 and eth0 for LAN. wlan0 is 192.168.8.128/25 and eth0 is 192.168.8.0/25. a client computer on either LAN interface can talk to the outside world, but not to the othe LAN subnet. any ideas? |
| 04:59.57 | asuffield | nvz: if you're stuck on 2.4 then you're stuck with a samba client filesystem that sucks. either get used to it, or use smbclient instead of mounting |
| 05:00.13 | guru | nvz: i do it by hand...my data is too valuable to leave to program error. what i do is create a new partition (say /usr.new) then copy /usr to the new partition, then i move /usr to /usr.old move /usr/new to /usr change fstab then remount |
| 05:00.29 | guru | is proftpd any good? |
| 05:00.36 | sanxiyn | It's good. |
| 05:01.01 | guru | chealer: also you can set up a cron entry to run that once per week (or once per day like me) |
| 05:01.02 | nvz | asuffield: I dont know about that either.. I thought this was the only way. Only reason I even used samba over NFS is that I have a few windows boxes in the house and wanted to seemlessly share files with all PCs |
| 05:01.23 | sanxiyn | guru: Ah yes, proftpd can use Apache-htaccess style config. |
| 05:01.33 | guru | sudo apt-get install proftpd |
| 05:01.35 | Wembley | hmmm |
| 05:01.35 | Xenguy | guru: check out vsftpd |
| 05:01.36 | guru | damnit |
| 05:01.45 | guru | stop impersonating my shell #debian! |
| 05:01.49 | chealer | using smbfs cause "locks" on my box. I couldn't get KDE's ProcessTable for about a minute. CIFS fixes that. but smb4k doesn't support it as well as smbfs yet (actually, pretty poor support) |
| 05:02.03 | Wembley | apt-get and dpkg seem to have stalled on installing webmin-apache |
| 05:02.35 | chealer | Wembley: webmin-apache...hope you're using apache 1. otherwise just skip it |
| 05:02.45 | Wembley | chealer: I am |
| 05:03.30 | flophouse | Anyone here using cedega? |
| 05:03.37 | chealer | strange, webmin-apache 1.160-3 installed fine here |
| 05:03.46 | sanxiyn | chealer: Also gnome-system-tools can do NTP sync: "Control Center">"Date and Time". |
| 05:03.54 | sanxiyn | Well, that's if you're using GNOME. |
| 05:04.06 | nvz | the thing I hate the most is samba on XP.. those XP machines got the whole process hidden behind the damn GUI which doesnt seem to handle even simple things like authentication.. I cant figure out for the life of me how to give XP users more than guest acces to my samba server, becase it never asks them for a username/password and I cant figure out how to get it to do so |
| 05:04.15 | chealer | sanxiyn: cool. so it's much better than I thought |
| 05:04.16 | guru | flophouse: i am |
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| 05:04.34 | flophouse | guru: What games are you running? I'd get it if I could run WoW |
| 05:04.42 | jstevens | Does sarge have a GRUB.conf ??? there isn't one in /etc/.... |
| 05:04.54 | guru | flophouse: cod, coduo with the merciless mod |
| 05:04.56 | chealer | nvz: same here. $%*$(*? MS |
| 05:05.04 | dvs | jstevens: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:05.04 | guru | jstevens: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:05.05 | flophouse | guru: cod? |
| 05:05.08 | asuffield | nvz: find the thingy below the network neighbourhood tree. right click on it. "Connect as..." or something like that |
| 05:05.11 | guru | flophouse: call of duty |
| 05:05.16 | asuffield | nvz: yes, stupid place to put it. windows is full of stupid places. |
| 05:05.22 | nvz | heh |
| 05:05.32 | jstevens | dvs/guru: thanks.. I found that file... was trying to figure if it's the right one |
| 05:05.38 | nvz | I never seen it, and I fuckin looked, many times |
| 05:05.38 | mwilson | grrrr, stupid song... |
| 05:05.39 | asuffield | and they moved them all around in XP for no appreciable reason |
| 05:05.42 | flophouse | guru: ahhh |
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| 05:05.47 | jake | hi all |
| 05:05.50 | flophouse | guru: know anyone running WoW? |
| 05:05.58 | guru | flophouse: what is WoW? |
| 05:05.59 | chealer | nvz: or don't set samba in "share" mode |
| 05:06.03 | nvz | I eventually created smbguest on my server, and disabled the account, and I give that user perms to anything I want windows users to see |
| 05:06.18 | jake | if i wanted to send an email via the command line (like from a script run from a cron job) what would I use? exim? |
| 05:06.19 | guru | i don't suppose anyone here would mind helping me configure ptoftpd would they? :D |
| 05:06.20 | flophouse | guru: World of Warcraft |
| 05:06.24 | nvz | chealer: I use user-level access |
| 05:06.25 | guru | flophouse: nope |
| 05:06.30 | asuffield | or bind the clients to the domain, in NT4 compatible mode, and have everybody login to windows |
| 05:06.39 | chealer | nvz: did you get problems with that too? |
| 05:06.40 | asuffield | that's more robust but more of a pain to set up |
| 05:06.41 | guru | :wq |
| 05:06.43 | guru | bah |
| 05:06.54 | nvz | chealer: yeah, its all I've ever used |
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| 05:07.24 | flophouse | guru: damn, had much luck playing other games? |
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| 05:07.48 | nvz | chealer: I've always used user-level authentication. I login as nvz, and the windows users just click on the folder, and samba makes them the guest user which I have set to smbguest |
| 05:07.50 | chealer | nvz: well that's what I'm using now. I got my problems with share mode. anyway, we can still curse about binboze :) |
| 05:07.57 | ugexe | anyone have familar with xmms having choppy cd playback when using alsa |
| 05:08.17 | mwilson | Why would CD playback ever be choppy? |
| 05:08.24 | mwilson | Analog device to analog device. |
| 05:08.35 | flophouse | mwilson: Because he's dancing with his computer |
| 05:08.40 | baroni | helix, Kvant: [solution] apt-show-versions get that info (about what distribuition an installed packaged belongs to in a testing+unstable debian system). thanks helix , Kvant |
| 05:08.40 | dvs | mwilson: Must be using digital mode |
| 05:08.41 | nvz | umm, scratched cd, pooger on the lens..etc |
| 05:08.45 | ugexe | mwilson: with oss it works fine |
| 05:08.52 | nvz | s/pooger/booger/ |
| 05:08.54 | ugexe | so its obviously a problem with alsa |
| 05:09.00 | mwilson | Yet another reason not to bother with ALSA, then. |
| 05:09.02 | nvz | yee haw, B.B. King :P |
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| 05:09.13 | dvs | no problems with ALSA here |
| 05:09.45 | guru | flophouse: yep...might have to tweak a few things but for the most part cedega is nice |
| 05:09.52 | guru | well worth the subscription fee |
| 05:10.10 | jstevens | if I screw up the "splashimage=BlahBlahBlah" entry in grub... will I still be able to boot, or will I need a rescue disk? |
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| 05:10.43 | ireverentReveren | is it common for grub to freeze after a new harddrive is added? |
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| 05:11.01 | nvz | jstevens: I would think it would either fail to install the bootloader (if grub works like lilo) with an error, or it would just go back to the menu |
| 05:11.06 | flophouse | guru: I've been tempted to get it, but I'd only end up playing that one game and I didn't see many people reporting success. My friend is having trouble with the installer not loading for his WoW. |
| 05:11.20 | dvs | ireverentReveren: Did you reinstall grub using grub-install? |
| 05:11.30 | Wembley | ok, it looks like dpkg is not stalling its just taking a reeeeeeealy long time |
| 05:11.39 | guru | flophouse: some games you need to install by installing them on windows them copying them over |
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| 05:12.07 | ireverentReveren | dvs not yet, all i did was shut down, add a promise controller, add a hard drive, reboot, and grub freezes at the boot and just says "grub" |
| 05:12.09 | flophouse | guru: Yeah, I think WoW works that way, but some said you didn't have to. If I have to do that, though, I'll just install windows :/ |
| 05:12.11 | guru | when i decided to leave windows for linux again i simply burned my cod directory onto a dvd then copied it over to Transgaming/ |
| 05:12.23 | sanxiyn | Ah yeah. For many Windows softwares, install doesn't work on Wine, but software itself does... |
| 05:12.30 | Wembley | anyone know how to speed up dpkg? |
| 05:12.31 | nvz | ireverentReveren: did you move the location of the drive grub or the rootfs was on? |
| 05:12.33 | guru | flophouse: or get vmware and install windows then install it on there |
| 05:12.35 | guru | that's what i do |
| 05:12.49 | ireverentReveren | nvz nope, just added an additional drive |
| 05:13.02 | chealer | Wembley: no. apt-get install kteatime ;) |
| 05:13.07 | flophouse | guru: True, that's another option. |
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| 05:13.19 | guru | sanxiyn: thank installshield and it's non-uniformed methods for that |
| 05:13.26 | flophouse | guru: Although I'm loathe to buy another piece of software for it |
| 05:13.28 | guru | flophouse: it sure beats rebooting |
| 05:13.32 | nvz | ireverentReveren: that should not matter. unless the device has changed for the grub or rootfs |
| 05:13.40 | Wembley | chealer: when I run dpkg it takes like 5 minutes to start |
| 05:13.51 | ireverentReveren | nvs, hmm, if i remove the new hd, it boots just fine.... |
| 05:13.55 | freddy | anyone know how to inforce some sort of quotas on traffic to virtualhost webservers under apache? |
| 05:13.55 | guru | flophouse: then use another emulator...there are several free ones good enough for that |
| 05:13.57 | chealer | Wembley: eh, obviously abnormal |
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| 05:14.07 | guru | i only use vmware because i bought it from my company |
| 05:14.41 | flophouse | guru: Ahh, which other ones? |
| 05:14.47 | hikenboot | hello all I need some help with sound...I have reused the alsaconf logged in this time as root and sound afterwards was able to work for both root and users wheras before it only worked for root unfortunately it now makes noises along with the actual sounds I assume this is some sort of irq or dma conflict...how do i resolve it? where is the best place to get information on resolving this issue? |
| 05:14.48 | Wembley | chealer: Yeah I dont know why it takes so dammned long to start working |
| 05:14.57 | guru | flophouse: i don't remember them off hand...a quick search on google should pull them up though |
| 05:15.14 | flophouse | guru: k, thanks |
| 05:15.18 | michal_ | is there any set of smtp/pop3/imap/webmail/spam filtering/virus checking programs which works best together for mail server? we're dealing with an existing configuration set up by someone who has left and it's damn near impossible to figure out how it works :/ |
| 05:15.37 | Lee__ | michal_: Sendmail + spamassassin + clamAV + procmail |
| 05:15.48 | guru | anytime |
| 05:15.50 | sanxiyn | michal_: Well, most mail setups are. |
| 05:16.05 | sanxiyn | (are "dam near im...") |
| 05:16.11 | Lee__ | squirrelmail, UW pop/imap |
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| 05:16.17 | rixth__ | Does mplayer even have a GUI |
| 05:16.17 | michal_ | i was under the impression mailscanner could nicely integrate and simplify spamassasin + clamav .. |
| 05:16.22 | sanxiyn | rixth__: Yes. |
| 05:16.28 | rixth__ | when I go run application -> mplayer nothing happens |
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| 05:16.30 | m0rbid | rixth__: a few |
| 05:16.34 | ireverentReveren | nvz any other ideas? |
| 05:16.43 | m0rbid | rixth__: GMplayer |
| 05:16.47 | guru | ug...how do you start webmin? |
| 05:16.52 | rixth__ | Oh, are they not included? Silly me |
| 05:16.52 | sanxiyn | rixth__: Also WinMPlayer is quite cool. |
| 05:16.52 | dvs | rixth__: run it in a shell |
| 05:16.58 | sanxiyn | (If you do Windows) |
| 05:17.03 | michal_ | well a priority would be to be easily able to follow where the hell mail goes when it comes in, what gets done to it and how it comes out :P we can't do that with the current setup |
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| 05:17.12 | m0rbid | guru: /etc/init.d/webmin restart |
| 05:17.22 | nvz | ireverentReveren: nope I dont much understand grub, but adding a drive not configured in grub shouldnt affect it.. if the drives that are configured are the same, it should not cause problem |
| 05:17.26 | rixth__ | I |
| 05:17.33 | rixth__ | I'll take a look at those, thanks |
| 05:17.40 | guru | m0rbid: hmm..it's not there |
| 05:18.07 | guru | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/pool/main/w/webmin/webmin_1.160-2_all.deb Size mismatch |
| 05:18.08 | ireverentReveren | nvz thanks though... i guess i can elimnate that possibility and move on to looking elsewhere.... |
| 05:18.09 | chealer | ireverentReveren: did you try #grub ? |
| 05:18.16 | guru | odd |
| 05:18.21 | ireverentReveren | chealer no yet, good idea |
| 05:18.24 | michal_ | i'm not too keen on sendmail myself.. exim4 seems sufficent and a lot simpler.. |
| 05:18.31 | guru | is webmin broken on sarge? |
| 05:18.39 | nvz | check the BTS |
| 05:18.46 | nvz | and furthermore who would care |
| 05:18.48 | nvz | heh |
| 05:18.50 | m0rbid | guru, comment out that server, and apt-get update && apt-get install webmin |
| 05:18.52 | chealer | guru: al always? :) |
| 05:18.59 | chealer | s/al/as/ |
| 05:19.24 | michal_ | apt-get install apt-listbugs and then next time you upgrade you'll get warned of any existing critical bugs |
| 05:19.25 | guru | m0rbid: thanks man |
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| 05:19.35 | sanxiyn | Yup. apt-listbugs is good. |
| 05:19.38 | guru | michal_: thanks |
| 05:19.48 | guru | i'll do that right away |
| 05:20.01 | guru | no matter how much i know about debian i learn something new every day |
| 05:20.30 | chealer | guru: well it's not because you can't fetch a package that it's broken |
| 05:20.32 | m0rbid | me too |
| 05:20.34 | guru | so should i install webmin or webmin-apache? |
| 05:20.42 | m0rbid | I never knew about that apt-listbugs |
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| 05:21.01 | m0rbid | guru I allways get both.. |
| 05:21.04 | chealer | !depends webmin-apache |
| 05:21.10 | dpkg | webmin-apache: depends on webmin (>= 1.140), perl, apache | apache-perl | apache2 | apache-ssl |
| 05:21.13 | nvz | damn, I need to go get some new B.B. King cds, I like the blues and I don't listen to them enough.. makes me want to plug in the guitar and start playing loudly through the night |
| 05:21.23 | sanxiyn | Eh, but I do hope that apt-listbugs ignores critical bugs tagged woody. |
| 05:21.43 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.12 | guru | hikenboot: check alsamixer first |
| 05:22.21 | guru | some settings in alsamixer can cause that |
| 05:22.32 | chealer | hikenboot: just curious, is it a permanent backgroud sound? |
| 05:22.47 | guru | uhh... |
| 05:22.50 | m0rbid | I stopped that sound by turning off the amps.. |
| 05:22.51 | guru | Error - Access denied for 192.168.1.200 |
| 05:22.54 | guru | my server just pwned me |
| 05:22.59 | hikenboot | every second like a matrix download into phone sound |
| 05:23.14 | m0rbid | hmmm |
| 05:23.19 | m0rbid | a glitch in the matrix |
| 05:23.26 | m0rbid | everyone arm up |
| 05:23.30 | rixth__ | I can't find GMplayer :S |
| 05:23.42 | guru | m0rbid: what file controls which hosts have access to webmin? |
| 05:23.43 | rixth__ | It's no where to be found on Google or the mplayer site |
| 05:23.46 | m0rbid | rixth__: you might have toi compile from source. |
| 05:23.47 | chealer | what do you mean by matrix? |
| 05:24.03 | hikenboot | kind of like a beep every second.. |
| 05:24.07 | chealer | m0rbid: I'm pretty sure you can configure that in webmin |
| 05:24.18 | m0rbid | guru, you can do all that when you log into it for the first time.. |
| 05:24.21 | chealer | hikenboot: sorry that's not what I used to have |
| 05:24.48 | hikenboot | its ok i will check the mixer settings |
| 05:24.48 | guru | m0rbid: heh, how do i do that when the server i installed it on is remote? |
| 05:25.07 | m0rbid | guru, connect to its default port |
| 05:25.11 | m0rbid | 10000 I think |
| 05:25.13 | guru | m0rbid: i did |
| 05:25.19 | guru | https://alamo:10000/ |
| 05:25.22 | m0rbid | and nothing? |
| 05:25.31 | guru | and it gives me that access denied message |
| 05:25.42 | m0rbid | you logging in as root? |
| 05:25.44 | guru | please don't tell me i need to give it a binary blowjob first |
| 05:25.54 | guru | i'm not even getting that far |
| 05:25.57 | chealer | no you could do something like set it up via VNC or lynx/ssh :) or really find the config files |
| 05:26.14 | guru | i type 'http://alamo:10000/' and that's all the farther i get |
| 05:26.39 | m0rbid | do you have access to the server now? |
| 05:26.41 | m0rbid | thru ssh? |
| 05:26.44 | guru | yep |
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| 05:26.47 | m0rbid | ahhh |
| 05:26.48 | m0rbid | hmmm |
| 05:26.56 | m0rbid | its in /etc/webmin I think |
| 05:26.58 | m0rbid | the conf |
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| 05:27.12 | guru | i found something rather interesting in /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf though |
| 05:27.13 | hikenboot | next question is there a sound channel on freenode? maybe they might have an idea? |
| 05:27.17 | guru | allow=127.0.0.1 |
| 05:27.25 | m0rbid | guru: thats the file |
| 05:27.33 | m0rbid | guru: edit that |
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| 05:27.41 | guru | ahh, so just change 127.0.0.1 to 192.168.1.200 and i'm good? |
| 05:27.48 | m0rbid | well |
| 05:27.51 | sanxiyn | rixth__: gmplayer is part of mplayer. |
| 05:27.54 | m0rbid | you siad the server is remote |
| 05:28.03 | sanxiyn | rixth__: Download from mplayerhq.hu |
| 05:28.04 | m0rbid | so how is it 192.168** ?? |
| 05:28.10 | chealer | hikenboot: never found anything other than #alsa |
| 05:28.10 | Mereel | question - got a "testing" install with a 2.4 kernel yet /usr/include/linux/version.h says my headers are for 2.6 |
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| 05:28.37 | hikenboot | ah i will try there thankyou |
| 05:28.38 | guru | well, it's remote but it's not...it's remote in the sense that i have no monitor or keyboard hooked up to it and the only way i have to administer it is via ssh :) |
| 05:28.38 | Mereel | apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.blah stick stuff in /usr/src |
| 05:28.41 | sanxiyn | Mereel: Well, any headers under /usr/include/linux is from glibc, not kernel. |
| 05:28.53 | rixth__ | I can't I have mplayer installed though, did I need to set options at ./configure time? |
| 05:28.58 | nvz | hikenboot: cdrom audio is a straight analog signal from the cdrom to the speakers, its not really processed at all to be popping, its either the cd, or another channel on the sound card making the noise.. try turning them all down but master and cdrom and checking the cd |
| 05:29.00 | Mereel | sanxiyn - and i fix that how :) |
| 05:29.08 | guru | and crap...i forgot my root password |
| 05:29.08 | sanxiyn | Mereel: Fix? Why? |
| 05:29.18 | rixth__ | *gasp* |
| 05:29.31 | sanxiyn | Mereel: Kernel headers shouldn't be under /usr/include/linux... |
| 05:29.32 | m0rbid | guru: yeah then |
| 05:29.51 | Mereel | sanxiyn - compiling modules for my kernel becomes rather dificult :) (and I agree) |
| 05:30.04 | asuffield | Mereel: kernel modules should not be looking in /usr/include *at all* |
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| 05:30.18 | guru | how do i install the proftpd module for webmin? |
| 05:30.23 | nvz | actually now that I think of it.. cdroms have been putting on digital outs on the back now for years, though I never seen one hooked up that way |
| 05:30.41 | asuffield | nvz: you've probably never seen spdif audio used at all. it's very rarely used. |
| 05:30.41 | Mereel | asuffield - the module has a #include linux/version |
| 05:30.47 | Wembley | nvz: I used it on a audigy card |
| 05:30.47 | sanxiyn | guru: Like, webmin-protftpd? |
| 05:30.50 | m0rbid | hikenboot: it can also be feedback by a bad ground, but a real quick beep or pop sound should be a bad cd, specially if it was burned, might have been some buffer underruns |
| 05:30.53 | guru | ahh ok |
| 05:30.59 | asuffield | Mereel: irrelevant |
| 05:31.01 | guru | thought it was something like webmin-modules |
| 05:31.10 | Wembley | nvz: I never got it to work right |
| 05:31.26 | Mereel | asuffield - i guess i need to adjust the include path? |
| 05:31.41 | asuffield | or the makefile, or *something* |
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| 05:32.15 | nvz | heh this audio player must know I am getting drunk.. its playing some funny stuff.. I am listeing to "Piece of shit car" now |
| 05:32.26 | rixth__ | sanxiyn: I can't find any ./configure item to include GMplayer? I had another look around mplayer.hu and couldn't find anything |
| 05:32.28 | Wembley | nvz: got that on MP3? |
| 05:32.39 | nvz | Wembley: yep, seems so |
| 05:32.41 | guru | does .ftpaccess work with the same commands as .htaccess? |
| 05:32.45 | nvz | Wembley: its on full auto |
| 05:32.50 | Wembley | nvz: can you email it to me? |
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| 05:33.02 | Wembley | nvz: I've been looking for it |
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| 05:33.14 | nvz | heh |
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| 05:33.33 | Wembley | nvz: rickmillerenterprises@hotmail.com |
| 05:33.37 | thu | anyone know a good video player that I can get off of aptitude? |
| 05:33.56 | sanxiyn | rixth: ./configure --enable-gui |
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| 05:34.04 | nvz | I don't do email. |
| 05:34.12 | nvz | get gift.. heh |
| 05:34.25 | rixth | thanks! |
| 05:34.29 | nvz | I am sure you can find it somewhere on one of the gift supported networks |
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| 05:34.30 | Wembley | nvz: you can try to dcc it to me but i dont know if it will work |
| 05:34.36 | nvz | nope sure wont |
| 05:34.54 | Wembley | nvz: gift supported network? |
| 05:35.06 | nvz | yeah OpenFT, Gnutella, FastTrack..etc |
| 05:35.08 | rixth | I went right past it *sigh* I'm growing old |
| 05:35.17 | Wembley | nvz: its been awhile - is limewire one of those? |
| 05:35.30 | Wembley | nvz: fasttrack is kazaa right? |
| 05:35.35 | sanxiyn | yes |
| 05:35.39 | Wembley | ok |
| 05:35.45 | nvz | Wembley: I guess limewire is Gnutella/Bearshare if there is even a difference between the two |
| 05:35.58 | Wembley | of course, I would have to get a Windows box running for that |
| 05:35.59 | Wembley | :) |
| 05:36.02 | nvz | OpenFT is torrents I think, and FastTrack is kazaa |
| 05:36.09 | michal_ | any special reason testing stopped updating at the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 05:36.26 | nvz | I just use giftd, it connects to whatever you have a plugin for, and searches them all at once |
| 05:36.38 | Wembley | nvz: ok |
| 05:37.00 | nvz | can run a single giftd and connect to it from any client on the network to download files, then use NFS or Samba or something to share the files with the LAN |
| 05:37.01 | michal_ | also, is squirrelmail the premier opensource webmail software? |
| 05:37.03 | sanxiyn | Wembley: giFT (http://gift.sourceforge.net/) does fasttrack. |
| 05:37.17 | Wembley | sanxiyn: ok |
| 05:37.33 | Wembley | hmmm kb1fyr looks like a ham callsign |
| 05:37.35 | Wembley | :) |
| 05:37.39 | sanxiyn | Wembley: So is mldonkey. |
| 05:37.50 | nvz | just /msg dpkg fasttrack for the url and d/l the libfasttrack-gift, the libopenft-gift, libgnutella-gift and giftd as well as many frontends are in debian |
| 05:37.56 | nvz | the fasttrack plugin is not |
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| 05:38.21 | toubsu | peterS: what about samba user/passwords, where are they stored? |
| 05:39.00 | michal_ | uml not in testing either? |
| 05:39.19 | nvz | uml is in sarg |
| 05:39.24 | michal_ | damn |
| 05:39.27 | nvz | !info uml-utilites |
| 05:39.29 | nvz | er |
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| 05:39.42 | sanxiyn | UML won't be in Sarge, or so I heard. |
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| 05:39.59 | peterS | toubsu: depends on how you configured samba. /etc/samba/smbpasswd, or buried inside LDAP |
| 05:40.09 | nvz | !info uml-utilities sarge |
| 05:40.16 | michal_ | guess i might as well forget about testing and go to unstable |
| 05:40.19 | dpkg | uml-utilities: (User-mode Linux (utility programs)), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 20040406-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
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| 05:41.28 | michal_ | does deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main actually contain security updates? |
| 05:42.26 | asuffield | michal_: no |
| 05:42.26 | mwilson | No. |
| 05:42.33 | nvz | Phated: sit on the remote? |
| 05:42.35 | mwilson | Of course, you were told the same thing earlier today. |
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| 05:43.00 | michal_ | i never asked the question so you must be lying |
| 05:43.05 | Phated | nvz: New kernel. |
| 05:43.08 | nvz | ah |
| 05:43.12 | mwilson | Somehow I doubt the position changed between then and now. |
| 05:45.36 | nvz | oh well so far this is just making me run to the BR more often.. you'd think two drinks would have me lit up as often as I drink |
| 05:45.40 | sanxiyn | Hm, so Sarge doesn't have user-mode-linux... |
| 05:45.48 | ireverentReveren | when you add a new hard drive, does debian automatically create a /dev/ entry for it? |
| 05:45.50 | sanxiyn | (as of today) |
| 05:45.59 | keith_ | Debian3r4. Xine. This error message comes up "-xine engine error- There is no available input plugin available to handle xine-ui version 0.9.8" Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 05:46.00 | michal_ | sanyx: or xen.. as of today |
| 05:47.28 | michal_ | hmm.. with pop3 is the list of read mail maintained on the server or on the client |
| 05:47.29 | michal_ | ? |
| 05:48.08 | sanxiyn | michal_: Not on server. |
| 05:48.18 | michal_ | ok.. that explains the problem then |
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| 05:49.31 | nvz | thats "screw you guys, I'm going ~/" |
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| 05:50.30 | michal_ | need to track down how to do pinning again.. always lose my god damn bookmarks |
| 05:51.06 | michal_ | nice google finds it easily now.. last time i tried it was too arcane |
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| 05:51.35 | nvz | Phated: so much for that new kernel, eh? |
| 05:51.55 | Phated | nvz: No, it's still the kernel... sat on the remote. |
| 05:52.13 | nvz | Phated: oh well I took the batteries out now, you should be alright. |
| 05:52.20 | Phated | nvz: Heh. |
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| 05:54.52 | michal_ | gah.. updating testing and unstable is 7megs just for the package lists :P |
| 05:55.12 | michal_ | any plans to try and reduce the size of the package listing files? |
| 05:55.17 | Phated | Testing... -and- unstable? You haven't mixed your sources, have you. |
| 05:55.27 | nvz | they are already gzipped, what do you want? |
| 05:56.22 | zeeble | michal_: package with descriptions works out to that much. |
| 05:56.38 | michal_ | phated: no.. i intentionally added both.. i'm pinning testing but they've pulled too much out of it for it to be useful without some unstable packages |
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| 05:57.06 | Phated | Right... |
| 05:57.14 | Phated | Fair enough. |
| 05:57.33 | michal_ | zeeble: so maybe a diff system. problem is cpu usage |
| 05:58.05 | jazzmans | grrrrr* I can't boot my sarge box. I added a hard drive, copied over the contents from 2 previous drives, removed the old drives, and cannot boot. 99 99 99 99 . I've pinned it down to a drive, but the drive is neither new, nor has anything on the second ide that it's on has changed. wtf? any suggestions? The only difference is I removed a drive from ide0 (and adjusted the jumpers for the remaining boot drive) |
| 05:58.10 | zeeble | michal_: what? what has CPU usage got to do with package listings? |
| 05:58.56 | sanxiyn | #debian is addictive. Should quit. |
| 05:59.11 | zeeble | what lang was that quit in? |
| 05:59.13 | michal_ | zeeble: fine then.. why don't the debian servers use rsync for package listing updates? would use MUCH less bandwidth |
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| 05:59.40 | nvz | I think I should just go to sleep, I every minute feels more insignificant at this point and before you know it, I'll have drank all this beer and be sitting here still doing nothing |
| 05:59.42 | zeeble | michal_: bandwidth is'nt an issue here. |
| 05:59.54 | michal_ | zeeble: bandwidth is an issue all over the planet |
| 06:00.01 | ireverentReveren | Buffer I/O error on device hde, logical block 0 |
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| 06:00.09 | ireverentReveren | how would i go about fixing that? |
| 06:00.20 | jazzmans | anyone have any suggestions? I just spent two hours tranfserring 250 gig of data to the new drive, and am totally stumped at the moment on what to do. |
| 06:00.21 | zeeble | michal_: first time i am hearing someone complain about the size of debian package listings! |
| 06:00.31 | Phated | Me too. |
| 06:00.37 | jetscreamer | are you sure it's hde ? |
| 06:00.51 | zeeble | jazzmans: you think package listings rsynched from 10000 locations to the debian mirrors will keep the servers alive? |
| 06:00.53 | Phated | Then again, it would be only about half the size if you didn't have both testing -and- unstable. |
| 06:00.55 | zeeble | err, michal |
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| 06:01.09 | jazzmans | zeeble, have no clue, I'm on another trip at the moment. |
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| 06:01.17 | Daemon | Can anyone tell me what the /opt Directory in some linux distrubutions means... is it short for something? |
| 06:01.18 | zeeble | jazzmans: ignore that. that was for michal_ :) |
| 06:01.18 | ireverentReveren | jetscreamer not entirly, i just added this hd via a new promise controller.... it SHOULD be hde... that was in the dmesg, btw |
| 06:01.18 | Phated | jazzmans: lilo. |
| 06:01.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:01.32 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 06:01.49 | Phated | jazzmans: Or grub, or whatever. The MBR might have gotten futzed along the way. |
| 06:01.52 | jazzmans | lilo? what has lilo to do with it? without the drive everything boots, with the drive, 99 99 99. |
| 06:01.53 | michal_ | takes around 40 mins to do an apt-get update |
| 06:02.06 | Phated | Man, you have a crap mirror. |
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| 06:02.13 | zeeble | michal_: are you on dialup? |
| 06:02.18 | nvz | Daemon: /opt/ is like /usr/local/ in a way, its a common place for packages to be put when compiled outside the package system |
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| 06:02.39 | nvz | Daemon: for example, downloading and installing the Yahoo! Messenger debs would install to /opt/ |
| 06:02.50 | Daemon | ...but does it have a meaning for /opt, like optional..maybe |
| 06:02.55 | michal_ | yes.. order of the might Telstra corp. Requesting broadband is punishable by death |
| 06:02.58 | nvz | Daemon: pretty much |
| 06:03.11 | jstevens | I'm looking for a way of "hiding" the text on boot w/ a "pretty" image... as in once you choose wh/ kernel, show an image instead of the boot-output (the stuff that shows up in dmseg) |
| 06:03.16 | zeeble | michal_: lol |
| 06:03.21 | peterS | Daemon: 'optional software' that came from the OS vendor, originally. stuff that wasn't installed by default, or wasn't even paid for by default |
| 06:03.25 | zeeble | michal_: what mirrors are you using? planetmirror or aarnet? |
| 06:03.31 | jetscreamer | he wants a windows splash screen |
| 06:03.33 | Daemon | ..like I did read teh FHS I think its called...didnt explain why the defualt directories were used... |
| 06:03.34 | michal_ | oh and 128/64 is considered broadband here |
| 06:03.40 | zeeble | michal_: same here. |
| 06:03.48 | nvz | I for one prefer to use the /usr/local/ for that stuff, the /opt/ seems to be a new concept, and I have been using linux longer than that |
| 06:03.49 | Daemon | thank you peter |
| 06:03.50 | zeeble | sadly :( |
| 06:04.20 | michal_ | zeeble: doesn't make a difference.. i started to use ftp.debian.org just to get the latest update. i do it rather rarely |
| 06:04.24 | Daemon | and etc..? |
| 06:04.28 | jstevens | jetscreamer: not winblows :-) |
| 06:04.30 | zeeble | michal_: ah. ok. |
| 06:04.38 | jetscreamer | yeah but same principle |
| 06:04.50 | jstevens | jetscreamer: ok, I'll give you that |
| 06:04.59 | michal_ | zeeble: looks like i MAY be able to get broadband in 6 months when they do an upgrade to the local MUX.. maybe.. i've heard it all before though |
| 06:05.00 | jstevens | do you know of a package that supplies that? |
| 06:05.02 | jetscreamer | nvz, if you drink whiskey instead, you might pass out faster |
| 06:05.07 | nvz | heh |
| 06:05.11 | zeeble | michal_: heh. good luck :p |
| 06:05.39 | jetscreamer | jstevens, i may have seen one once (not sure), but wouldn't know the name if i did. |
| 06:05.49 | jstevens | understood |
| 06:05.59 | ireverentReveren | what are buffer i/o errors with repect to harddrives? |
| 06:06.02 | nvz | well this is one of those malt beverages with vodka I guess.. usually beer is cheaper, but it seemed to be the same there, and I dont drink much so I got something with some flavor.. |
| 06:06.35 | zeeble | anyway. done with some tweaking. |
| 06:06.40 | michal_ | zeeble: trying to get broadband has cost me around $400 bucks so far due to Telstra's lies :/ been trying to get it for 4 years now. My neighbour has it :/ He got it right after Telstra screwed me over the last time. Then they immediately ran out of ports |
| 06:07.47 | nvz | and I talked to the guy at the liquer store a minute, and he kind of offered me a job, so who knows this evening may not be as uneventful as I thought |
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| 06:08.32 | nvz | but I don't see anything productive happening, so I think I am just going to try get comfortable and pass out |
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| 06:09.28 | jetscreamer | mmm.... chocolate |
| 06:10.12 | jstevens | hrrm.. found it for lilo... just can't find it for grub |
| 06:10.28 | nvz | they should make a device like a suringe or something that you can use to figure out what the hell is in those chocolates when you get a box thats not marked |
| 06:10.50 | nvz | that way I dont have to end up biting into them and spitting it out :P |
| 06:11.00 | helix | is there a way to make 'cal' colorize the current date if you run it without args? |
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| 06:11.52 | zeeble | it feels good to be using a "latest stable" kernel again. |
| 06:13.26 | chealer | good old 2.2.20 :) |
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| 06:14.25 | zeeble | it took me a long time to get to 2.4.x to .6 |
| 06:14.31 | zeeble | did that last month |
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| 06:15.04 | nornagon | Media players. There's xine, mplayer and...? |
| 06:15.21 | zeeble | nornagon: videolan player, totem |
| 06:15.25 | nornagon | vlc. |
| 06:15.30 | chealer | totem, kafeine, juk, amarok, helix... |
| 06:15.31 | nornagon | That's the one I was thinking of. |
| 06:15.35 | hacim | nornagon: ffmpeg |
| 06:15.36 | jazzmans | upon boot up, (before grub even loads, but after the post) what does : L 99 99 99 99 mean? |
| 06:15.50 | hacim | jazzmans: that means you've got lilo in there freakin' out |
| 06:15.53 | zeeble | jazzmans: maybe you have lilo installed as well. |
| 06:16.05 | jazzmans | I don't have lilo. |
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| 06:16.17 | hacim | jazzmans: but your disk does |
| 06:16.19 | zeeble | well, then do fdisk /mbr |
| 06:16.21 | zeeble | or something. |
| 06:16.49 | hacim | jazzmans: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/talk/node/135 |
| 06:16.51 | jazzmans | I can't afford to lose the data on the disk causing this, how do I 1. boot with the drive connected, and 2. remove any traces of lilo? |
| 06:17.03 | jazzmans | I can't boot a knoppix disk |
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| 06:18.31 | BrianAnthony | hi |
| 06:18.46 | jazzmans | hacim, nice link, but doesn't solve the fact I cannot boot any cd with the drive attached right now. (weird) |
| 06:19.25 | jazzmans | ok, once I've got the damn thing booted, how do I remove the mbr from that particular drive, without erasing any other data? |
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| 06:21.37 | hacim | jazzmans: you can install another one on top of it |
| 06:21.49 | jazzmans | I don't want a bootloader there, it's not my primary. |
| 06:21.55 | hacim | jazzmans: install grub in the MBR rather than in the bootsector |
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| 06:22.08 | hacim | jazzmans: mmmm why are you trying to boot from it then? |
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| 06:22.29 | Nooob | hello |
| 06:22.44 | jazzmans | I'm not trying to boot from it hacim, that is just 'happening' I've tried it as primary slave, secondary master, secondary slave. same results. |
| 06:23.39 | hacim | jazzmans: it probably means that your primary is not bootable, so it moves to your secondary |
| 06:24.07 | Nooob | I just installed debian and for some reason it isnt detecting my mouse. It worked the first time I booted into it but not the second or any time after that. the only thing I see in /dev/input is event0 anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 06:24.12 | jazzmans | but my primary is bootable just fine when the secondary is not present. the primary used to boot with the secondary just fine before I removed the primary slave (and adjusted jumpers accordingly) |
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| 06:24.34 | jazzmans | It's the damnedest thing. |
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| 06:25.08 | hhstnoc[ipac] | what happens when you run slay on an xterm connected to a really important firewall? |
| 06:25.28 | jm_ | jazzmans: "just"? |
| 06:25.43 | jazzmans | jm_ just? what do you mean. |
| 06:26.37 | cyberkni | I just rebooted my system after apt-get dist-upgrade(ing) to discover that many executables are segfaulting. When I tried to execute apt-get my system said that libgcc_s.so.1 was corrupt so I proceded to to get the package and reinstall it. Now apt-get segfaults as well. Any ideas? |
| 06:27.08 | jm_ | jazzmans: I wouldn't call that "just", it's not always as simple change as it sounds |
| 06:27.12 | nvz | helix: It just isnt designed for such function.. hacking around the output from the program seems like more work than adding a switch or using something else |
| 06:27.17 | peterS | cyberkni: that sounds kind of bad |
| 06:27.23 | hacim | cyberkni: sounds like bad memory... |
| 06:27.28 | helix | nvz: that seems like it would be trivial to add |
| 06:27.31 | helix | nvz: mencal even does it |
| 06:27.31 | cyberkni | peterS : my thoughts too |
| 06:27.41 | peterS | helix: does what? I was afk |
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| 06:27.59 | helix | peterS: cal (no args) -- I want it to colorize the current date |
| 06:28.01 | peterS | cyberkni: I concur with hacim - bad memory, maybe filesystem problems caused by kernel bugs or flaky disks |
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| 06:28.41 | peterS | helix: oh, that'd require using libcurses or at least the terminfo stuff in there. probably not hard to add, all told, but it'd change the nature of the program a bit |
| 06:28.45 | cyberkni | peterS : Oh well. I was hoping it was some packaging goof up and not hardware death. |
| 06:29.00 | |ryan| | I'm having problems using GRUB on a serial port on sarge |
| 06:29.02 | nvz | yeah when I used apropos only thing came up was libcurses |
| 06:29.03 | peterS | cyberkni: if you upgraded your kernel ... who knows, could be kernel b0rkage |
| 06:29.07 | helix | peterS: mencal does it (in perl, no less); I might be better of trying to modify that instead |
| 06:29.17 | |ryan| | the system doesn't boot unless I'm connected via a serial console |
| 06:29.21 | cyberkni | peterS : no kernel upgrade for me in a while. |
| 06:29.37 | |ryan| | and the, it onlt seems to work with teraterm, but not minicom |
| 06:29.39 | peterS | helix: I wonder if it uses proper terminal color stuff, or just hardcodes vt100-compatible codes in. the latter would be pretty trivial indeed |
| 06:29.47 | helix | peterS: yeah |
| 06:30.01 | hacim | helix: whoa |
| 06:30.04 | helix | peterS: mencal hilights four days (from the current one) |
| 06:30.05 | peterS | helix: does it let you pick the color, or it just has some off-white thing of its own devising? |
| 06:30.13 | hacim | helix: I was just thinking I wanted the same |
| 06:30.14 | helix | peterS: it uses pink. for menstruation. :) |
| 06:30.17 | jazzmans | jm_ why is removing a hard drive such a big deal? If, on the cable the drive(s) were on, any remaining drives jumpers are adjusted accordingly, nothing should change. I have a promise mass controller card, one drive was removed from the secondary slave of it, and one drive from the primary slave of the mobo. |
| 06:30.33 | |ryan| | anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:30.35 | helix | hacim: I have to go to bed soon, if you do anything let me know so I don't reinvent it tomorrow evening :) |
| 06:31.02 | jm_ | jazzmans: boot loaders often store drive's address (starting at 0x80 for the first drive), and that changes when you move things arround |
| 06:31.26 | hacim | helix: unfortunately its pretty low on my priority list, so I dont anticipate doing it any time soon :p |
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| 06:31.31 | nvz | heh, you should have gone to bed while you had the chance, its tomorrow already |
| 06:31.33 | helix | hacim: ok :) |
| 06:31.37 | helix | hacim: I'll let you know when I do it |
| 06:31.43 | peterS | jazzmans: just don't run a slave drive without a master on the cable |
| 06:31.53 | jazzmans | sooo, any suggestions? this is my music server, and I really really need it running. |
| 06:31.57 | jazzmans | peterS, I don't. |
| 06:31.58 | peterS | jazzmans: that'll work for some IDE drives / controllers but isn't a supported mode of operation at all |
| 06:32.04 | nvz | an hour later for you than it is for me, at that |
| 06:32.07 | hacim | helix: I know how to do colorized output in shell using ansi escape sequences, might be able to just modify the printfs in cal to do that |
| 06:32.20 | peterS | hacim: ummm. that only works for ansi-compatible terminals |
| 06:32.54 | peterS | hacim: as I said, *that* approach would be pretty trivial to add to cal, but it's not really something you'd want to show upstream |
| 06:33.03 | nvz | heh, thats what I was trying.. but as peters points out its not worth the effort |
| 06:33.42 | hacim | peterS: yeah |
| 06:33.57 | |ryan| | stupid PoS |
| 06:34.05 | hacim | helix: there is this: http://www.cnpbagwell.com/cal.gif (from http://www.cnpbagwell.com/index.php?n=Projects.HomePage), a little overkill, but maybe could be adapted |
| 06:34.11 | peterS | hacim: printf(" \e[1;31m%d\e[m", todaysdate); |
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| 06:34.24 | mwilson | My GODS, but the people who post on LinuxToday are morons. |
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| 06:34.39 | mwilson | Not one of them can recognize satire. |
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| 06:34.47 | peterS | hacim: that's horrible |
| 06:34.49 | hacim | helix: in fact... http://unicorn.us.com/cal.html |
| 06:34.57 | peterS | hacim: wtf is up with using 3 colors and 2 lines in a *prompt*? |
| 06:35.08 | hacim | peterS: yeah |
| 06:35.10 | peterS | sorry, 4 colors and two lines |
| 06:35.13 | helix | hacim: rock |
| 06:35.23 | peterS | my eyes would bleed after a minute and a half |
| 06:35.30 | nvz | heh, in case you havent realized it yet.. people who talk about stuff arent usually people who know anything.. because the people who know stuff are out being productive doing the things the other people talk about |
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| 06:35.43 | hacim | peterS: its like a clow puked |
| 06:35.47 | hacim | peterS: clown |
| 06:35.52 | peterS | yes, quite |
| 06:36.05 | hacim | on that note... bed |
| 06:36.18 | peterS | nvz: smart people talk about ideas. average people talk about events. dumb people talk about people |
| 06:36.24 | peterS | or so they say |
| 06:36.29 | helix | that one cal is bananas |
| 06:36.42 | peterS | no, bananas have *some* redeeming value |
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| 06:37.02 | jmstacey | When I purge a package with dpkg, how do I get it to also remove all dependent packages as well at the same time? |
| 06:37.19 | peterS | jmstacey: you don't. use 'apt-get remove' instead |
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| 06:38.24 | nvz | oh well.. fatigue and alcohol are reducing my functionality.. its about time for me to stop trying to talk here |
| 06:39.05 | nvz | I think I'll go scrunch up on the couch and make myself uncomfortable |
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| 06:39.51 | viper | can anyone here tell me the advantage of kde over gnome or vice versa? |
| 06:40.06 | Project | mmm no diff i think |
| 06:40.09 | Project | its more what u like |
| 06:40.23 | nvz | viper: try em out and see what you like they are two different approaches to the same rough idea |
| 06:40.33 | nvz | there is also XFCE if those are a bit much for your liking |
| 06:40.37 | Project | i personally like KDE much better |
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| 06:41.34 | viper | is there anywhere i can find a comprehensive comparison of the different window/file managers? i have always used window maker and am thinking about switching but am unsure of what to try |
| 06:42.17 | peterS | viper: ion is cool if you're interested in a whole new paradigm - nonoverlapping windows (you chop your screen into rectangles and stick apps in them) |
| 06:42.21 | nvz | viper: xfce has flash tours on their site |
| 06:42.33 | peterS | viper: yeah, xfce4 is pretty popular these days |
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| 06:43.09 | peterS | viper: ratpoison is cool if you want the wm to be basically invisible |
| 06:43.29 | nvz | I may go back to ion myself.. It takes a lot of the unimportant work out of window management, plus its easy to call up manpages in ion, I dont need to first call up a terminal or anyhting |
| 06:43.37 | peterS | viper: sawfish is cool if you want eye candy without E |
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| 06:43.47 | mwilson | www.xwinman.org is not a bad comparison, but it's rather dated. |
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| 06:44.11 | nvz | peterS: was that a joke? |
| 06:44.34 | peterS | nvz: well, it doesn't have E-esque eye candy, for sure. nobody but E does *that* |
| 06:44.58 | nvz | peterS: starting an X session with sawfish all you see is the root window |
| 06:45.02 | nvz | heh |
| 06:45.15 | mwilson | nvz: Yes, so? |
| 06:45.17 | nvz | until you add other things to the session, and match them with matched windows |
| 06:45.23 | nvz | so it doesnt have eye candy |
| 06:45.43 | nvz | I like sawfish, its what I am using now, and have been using for some 4 years now |
| 06:45.52 | nvz | its just not what I would call eye candy |
| 06:46.00 | nvz | there is in effect nothing to see |
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| 06:46.04 | nvz | its all behind the scenes |
| 06:46.10 | nvz | what makes sawfish so good |
| 06:46.21 | |ryan| | how do i use lilo instead of grub in sarge? |
| 06:46.51 | nvz | |ryan|: apt-get --purge remove grub && apt-get install lilo |
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| 06:51.02 | ireverentReveren | how would i disable DMA? |
| 06:51.06 | nvz | I need a massage.. heh I know there's a chiropractor up the road, but I think they are more about making you hurt than making you feel better... no idea where you would get a good massage around here :P |
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| 06:52.28 | |ryan| | nvz ah. |
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| 06:53.15 | |ryan| | hmm |
| 06:53.20 | |ryan| | fixed grub. |
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| 06:54.19 | nvz | good, now can you give a massage? |
| 06:54.22 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:55.23 | |ryan| | it didn't like my BIOS emulating a KB/monitor via serial |
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| 06:55.51 | jake | Hi all. I need to know if a port on a specific pc is accepting connections, and i need to do this in a script. I need to monitor my squid on my home box, from my work.... |
| 06:55.53 | viper | what do i have to add to my .xinitrc to start kde when i do a startx? |
| 06:56.00 | jake | how would one accomplish this |
| 06:56.21 | nvz | jake: nmap I guess |
| 06:56.22 | zinx | nvz: chiropractors are about putting your bones/nerves in the correct place |
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| 06:56.33 | jk3 | viper: startkde? |
| 06:56.41 | nvz | yeah in other words making you hurt :p |
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| 06:57.01 | nvz | I am pretty sure all my bones and nerves are in the wrong place |
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| 06:57.28 | nvz | I guess I need to see one of them first, then get a massage |
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| 06:57.53 | zinx | nvz: it'll make you feel a little weird for a bit, but it shouldn't really hurt :/ |
| 06:57.59 | jm_ | vipe: do not use .xinitrc |
| 06:58.01 | peterS | nvz: why haven't yahoo and msn rolled out Instant Massaging yet? |
| 06:58.05 | peterS | nvz: I bet it would be popular |
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| 06:58.22 | nvz | heh |
| 06:58.32 | jk3 | jm_: what's wrong with xinitrc? |
| 06:58.38 | jm_ | jk3: man startx and read about it |
| 06:58.45 | nvz | I am too far away to actually see the screen now, but if you said what I think you did, its pretty funny |
| 06:59.29 | jk3 | jm_: ah, ok. .xsession then |
| 06:59.43 | nvz | I had to lay down and put my feet up, my body hurts :p |
| 07:00.00 | owen_ | can someone help me with dependency issues with gdesklets? it needs pygtk and gnome-python but they dont seem to be in the deb repositories... |
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| 07:00.37 | markl_ | does anyone here use an IDE DVD drive? |
| 07:00.52 | jk3 | owen_: do you have evil external stuff in your sources.list? |
| 07:00.53 | markl_ | i just plugged one in and I'm getting a weird message on bootup |
| 07:01.01 | markl_ | disabling irq11: nobody cared! |
| 07:01.03 | nvz | I think I got kidlash... its amazing how much more energy children have than adults |
| 07:01.03 | mwilson | owen_: apt is perfectly capable of resolving dependencies on its own. |
| 07:01.04 | jk3 | markl_: yeah, me |
| 07:01.05 | markl_ | has anyone seen this one? |
| 07:01.22 | nvz | I cant otherwise explain the body aches |
| 07:01.24 | jk3 | markl_: what kind of weird message? |
| 07:01.29 | jm_ | jake: use cache_object request maybe |
| 07:01.45 | owen_ | i had ubuntu disk to install xorg but that's commented out now |
| 07:01.47 | jake | nvz: of course :) |
| 07:01.51 | markl_ | jk3: stack traces once it sees the DVD; and it says it's disabling irq 11 but nobody cared |
| 07:02.10 | mwilson | You installed Ubuntu's X? You deserve whatever happens to you. |
| 07:02.28 | jake | jm_: i dont know what that means, is it an nmap thingy? |
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| 07:02.35 | owen_ | XFree86 doesn't like my ATI card |
| 07:02.36 | jk3 | markl_: uh. sucks. i just had to plug and play |
| 07:02.39 | jm_ | jake: no, it's squid thing |
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| 07:02.44 | markl_ | jk3: no fair!! heh |
| 07:02.57 | markl_ | jk3: do you need an 80 pin ide cable for it? |
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| 07:03.09 | jk3 | markl_: don't think so |
| 07:03.20 | northstar | is there a program that will automatically turn on your computer and run process? Such as turn on in the morning and run XMMS? |
| 07:03.38 | mwilson | Why would you have to turn it on? |
| 07:03.41 | jake | jm_, in what manner would i use "cache_object request"? is it a configuration setting? is it a command? |
| 07:03.42 | jk3 | jm_: why don't you try getting something from the cache? say with lynx |
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| 07:04.07 | jm_ | jk3: because I don't have this problem :D |
| 07:04.12 | jake | hahaha :) |
| 07:04.14 | northstar | mwilson: i don't like my computer running at night. and i want to wake up to music :o) |
| 07:04.24 | jm_ | jake: it's a special type of request that squid understands |
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| 07:04.34 | mwilson | northstar: It's called a clock radio. |
| 07:04.40 | jake | northstar, your mobo's bios may support turning on at a specified time |
| 07:04.40 | northstar | boo... |
| 07:05.05 | northstar | know off hand... its an asus p4p800 |
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| 07:05.24 | jk3 | jm_: um. yeah. was suspossed for jake. it's still early in the morning you know |
| 07:05.29 | nvz | I have a Bose Clock Radio, and I just hook it to my PC, and play music through cplay, then when I wake up, its playing music.. heh |
| 07:05.41 | jake | northstar, or it may at least support "turn on when power is applyed to my power supply" option. Then you could use an external timer, the type that plug into the electrical socket |
| 07:05.46 | viper | ok so what do i need to put in my .xsession file to start kde? "start kde" and "exec kde" dont work |
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| 07:06.00 | peterS | viper: startkde, I think |
| 07:06.04 | mwilson | viper: Do you see a binary anywhere named "kde"? |
| 07:06.13 | northstar | jake: i c... |
| 07:06.15 | jazzmanss | ok, I managed to force boot my primary drive. How do I now erase the MBR on the second drive without losing existing data? |
| 07:06.24 | nvz | viper: startkde |
| 07:06.24 | jake | jm_, ok, i'll look into it. Would i have to issue this command with telnet? because i dont really know how to make a script run telnet, and make telnet quit.... |
| 07:06.27 | northstar | jake: this will be completely handled by the bios? |
| 07:06.54 | peterS | jazzmanss: why? the MBR won't do any harm as-is |
| 07:07.01 | jk3 | jake: use lynx. |
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| 07:07.15 | jazzmanss | northstar; untill next time I reboot.... then I've got to force it, pita. |
| 07:07.27 | jake | northstar, yes. excpet the "start playing a song" part. |
| 07:07.29 | viper | peterS thanks a lot, stupid spaces :) |
| 07:07.30 | jm_ | jake: you could use telnet, nc, awk, perl |
| 07:07.37 | peterS | jazzmanss: not having an MBR will cause the same boot failure, probably, as having one that doesn't work |
| 07:07.49 | peterS | jazzmanss: the trick is to tell your BIOS not to boot that drive in the first place |
| 07:07.54 | northstar | jake: any ideas for the program that automatical starts programs at specific times? |
| 07:08.03 | jake | cron? |
| 07:08.12 | jake | i dont think that wopuld help here |
| 07:08.16 | jazzmanss | ...... my primary drive mbr works perfectly. my secondary drive mbr somehow has lilo on it. How do I remove it? |
| 07:08.34 | nvz | viper: yeah the only stupid space, is that occupied between your chair and keyboard. thats what we call a PEBCAK |
| 07:08.35 | jake | northstar, that was for you (cron) |
| 07:08.41 | peterS | jazzmanss: removing it won't do you any good. the BIOS will then say the drive isn't bootable, and stop dead. same as it does now, basically |
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| 07:09.02 | northstar | jake: i figured that would be your answer :o) |
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| 07:09.04 | m0rbid | anyone hear running teamspeak? Im getting a strange error.. |
| 07:09.45 | sussudio | m0rbid: could it be the "not actually in debian"-error? |
| 07:09.55 | nvz | heh |
| 07:09.56 | viper | nvz thats cold |
| 07:10.21 | m0rbid | sussudio: no, but nice try.. It was just a question. |
| 07:10.23 | northstar | jake: thank you for the info I will see what i can do |
| 07:10.43 | sussudio | m0rbid: it's not in debian, therefore seek support where it's actually supported. mkay tnx. |
| 07:11.11 | nvz | badgers badgers badgers badgers ... |
| 07:11.24 | m0rbid | heh, Happy Valentines day to you too. |
| 07:11.56 | peterS | m0rbid: it's Feb 15 by now where sussudio is (: |
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| 07:12.08 | Borgon | Hey |
| 07:12.09 | Borgon | Is anyone here familiar with xen? i know there is a #xen channel but no one is alive. |
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| 07:13.28 | jake | Hey guys, I cant make my windows go properly. I think the registry is broken, and IE keeps going to pron sites. Can anyone here help me??? |
| 07:13.35 | jake | :) |
| 07:13.47 | takatumi_ | jake: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 07:13.48 | sussudio | !irritate jake |
| 07:13.48 | dpkg | jake: Y iz debain so old? how can I make my knoppix werkz ????? |
| 07:14.14 | Borgon | sussudio, know anything about xen? |
| 07:14.18 | streuner | jake: format c: ;-) |
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| 07:14.34 | sussudio | Borgon: tejon |
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| 07:15.24 | jake | holy crap. I just noticed that i wrote "pron", without even thinking about it :( |
| 07:15.26 | Borgon | sussudio, ? |
| 07:15.26 | Borgon | nojet? |
| 07:15.36 | sussudio | !tejon |
| 07:15.36 | dpkg | http://faunaiberica.org/especies.php3?esp=52 |
| 07:15.46 | jake | !irritate jake |
| 07:15.47 | dpkg | jake: hi every1 who uses sound thx |
| 07:15.52 | jake | haha |
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| 07:18.42 | Coke_ | How the hell can someone have stolen my nick? I've registered Coke. |
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| 07:19.32 | dude | nk |
| 07:20.40 | Kvant | Coke_, use "/ns recover coke password" to get it back |
| 07:20.47 | viper | does anyone here have a recomendation for an linux rss reader? |
| 07:21.06 | jm_ | Coke_: /msg dpkg nickserv help ghost |
| 07:21.12 | jm_ | bah /msg nickserv |
| 07:21.42 | jm_ | viper: I use liferea, then again, I only use it for some local RSS feed |
| 07:21.51 | BillWohler | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.19 | ireverentReveren | when i booted, i got an error message saying diskcheck forced, and it found errors on my / ... i am in maintenace mode, what do i run to fix ext3? |
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| 07:24.41 | jk3 | ireverentReveren: e2fscheck |
| 07:25.17 | ireverentReveren | not found... |
| 07:25.22 | nnk | BrianAnthony: hey! how did it go? |
| 07:25.26 | jk3 | actually its e2fsck |
| 07:25.29 | ireverentReveren | e2fsk says not to run on a mounted filesystem |
| 07:25.37 | nnk | (hello everyody) |
| 07:25.38 | ireverentReveren | can i unmount /? |
| 07:25.56 | nnk | s/everyody/everywoody :) |
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| 07:26.15 | jk3 | ireverentReveren: no way! if it checked at boot time already, it's ok, don't you think? |
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| 07:26.43 | ireverentReveren | thats why i am forced to run it... it found errors at boot time and told me to run it manually... |
| 07:27.06 | ireverentReveren | it gave me 2 options, enter roots password or reboot |
| 07:27.50 | jk3 | ireverentReveren: did you reboot? |
| 07:27.54 | ireverentReveren | Yeah |
| 07:27.57 | ireverentReveren | same thing happens |
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| 07:28.46 | jk3 | ireverentReveren: do you have a knoppix or something around? could check with that |
| 07:28.58 | ireverentReveren | i have the sarge installer.... |
| 07:29.05 | ireverentReveren | i MIGHT have knoppix... /me goes to look |
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| 07:29.57 | jm_ | enter root password and run fsck |
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| 07:30.13 | ireverentReveren | even though the drive is still mounted? |
| 07:30.18 | ireverentReveren | thats the question |
| 07:30.21 | ireverentReveren | Laughs Out Loud |
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| 07:31.06 | rixth | For those that know/knew Winamp, you would know that you had the ability to go to the Misc menu and click 'Create HTML Playlist' which was very handy for sending to friends and the like. Does anyone know of a program can do this? (or a plugin) |
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| 07:31.48 | jm_ | it should be mounted read-only at that point |
| 07:31.51 | Schlafschwein | find with some id3tagreader :) |
| 07:32.00 | ireverentReveren | jm_ thank you, that was my question |
| 07:33.33 | nnk | ireverentReveren: it should not be mounted at all, if possible (i.e. if running of a live cd, you can/should fsck w/o mounting at all) |
| 07:33.52 | ireverentReveren | hmm |
| 07:34.00 | ireverentReveren | would the sarge installer cd cut it? |
| 07:34.26 | rixth | Ill taek a look :) |
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| 07:35.09 | rixth | mp3report, just the package :) |
| 07:37.13 | moodsoft | if you compile your own kernel, is there a sure fire way to know you include the right sound drivers? |
| 07:37.31 | jake | moodsoft, yes. reboot, and try to play sound. |
| 07:37.32 | nnk | moodsoft: yes, you include all :) |
| 07:37.41 | nnk | as modules ofc |
| 07:38.02 | nnk | and use alsa, if possible, it rocks, especially for newer soundcards |
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| 07:38.59 | moodsoft | its odd, yesterday I was sure my sound card was working under linux, but not today |
| 07:39.14 | nnk | moodsoft: chipset/maker? |
| 07:39.25 | moodsoft | its the i810 |
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| 07:39.38 | nnk | it definetlly should work |
| 07:40.01 | Coke_ | Kvant: unknown command /ns |
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| 07:40.14 | nnk | is it the genuine on or the one modified by nvidia? |
| 07:40.28 | prozaknathan | hey what do i type when knoppix boots up to have it install my hd? |
| 07:41.05 | nnk | prozaknathan: you should ask that in #knoppix, much more support there |
| 07:41.15 | prozaknathan | sorry i thought i was |
| 07:41.29 | moodsoft | nnk, I'm not sure its in a Dell |
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| 07:41.37 | nnk | intel cpu? |
| 07:41.45 | moodsoft | nnk yes |
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| 07:42.04 | nnk | than it is most prolly the genuine intel chipset :) it should work |
| 07:42.12 | nnk | don't give up :P |
| 07:43.32 | moodsoft | I'm recompiling 2.6.10 now |
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| 07:43.36 | FlimFlamMan | who's your favorite scsi hard drive manufacturer? |
| 07:44.35 | nnk | johny: ce mai faci batrine? :) |
| 07:45.11 | johny | nnk, :d |
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| 07:50.35 | buu | I've got a line in my /etc/fstab like: /hda5 /mnt/hd2 auto user,rw 0 0; and the drive mounts fine under /mnt/hd2 I can cd and read from it, but when I try to write to it I get a 'read only file system' error. |
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| 07:51.53 | moodsoft | anyone know whatever happened to porting Aqua to intel based linux systems? |
| 07:52.08 | jm_ | buu: yes, you need to set proper umask, or better yet, use dmask and fmask (man mount) |
| 07:52.11 | mwilson | Nothing happened to it. |
| 07:52.14 | moodsoft | I thought someone was working on making at least a look-a-like port |
| 07:52.14 | cthulfuego | buu: what filesystem is it? ntfs? |
| 07:52.20 | buu | cthulfuego: fat32/vfat |
| 07:52.20 | mwilson | It was never happening in the first place. |
| 07:52.23 | peterS | buu! |
| 07:52.26 | buu | jm_: Er, I do? Where? |
| 07:52.30 | buu | peterS: Hallo! Fix debian =[ |
| 07:52.33 | cthulfuego | buu: You beed umask/gid options then, yes. |
| 07:52.42 | buu | cthulfuego: Sorry, where might those go? |
| 07:52.46 | jm_ | buu: fstab is one option |
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| 07:52.50 | moodsoft | mwilson, it wasn't? was it just Darwin they were porting? |
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| 07:53.01 | buu | And why the hell did installing kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 give me some lame ass gdm thing ? |
| 07:53.03 | peterS | buu: the 'user,rw' field can have more options in it |
| 07:53.12 | mwilson | moodsoft: Darwin doesn't need to be ported. Darwin has always run on x86. |
| 07:53.50 | moodsoft | mwilson, really? since when? it was originally created for Mac |
| 07:53.52 | buu | peterS: Er, where is that documented again? |
| 07:54.00 | mwilson | moodsoft: BTW... Aqua != Darwin |
| 07:54.00 | peterS | buu: 'man 5 fstab' and 'man 8 mount' |
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| 07:54.13 | moodsoft | mwilson, yes I know that |
| 07:54.19 | peterS | buu: (the latter to give you an idea of what options you can put in there, the former for the actual file format |
| 07:54.19 | buu | peterS: and how do I get rid of this shitty auto starting gdm thingy |
| 07:54.22 | peterS | ) |
| 07:54.44 | peterS | buu: there's not much point in having gdm installed at all, if you don't want it autostarting. so the simplest thing is usually just to remove the gdm package |
| 07:55.03 | peterS | "remove the g*d*m package!" |
| 07:55.07 | mwilson | peterS: But isn't it amazing how many cluebies argue that. |
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| 07:55.19 | buu | peterS: Well, actually gdm doesn't appear to be installed, xdm is installed, but when I try to apt remove it, It tries to also remove x-window-system! |
| 07:55.27 | mwilson | buu: Yes, so? |
| 07:55.40 | buu | mwilson: I'd like x-window-system to remain |
| 07:55.41 | peterS | buu: x-window-system is just a metapackage that sucks in a bunch of dependencies. it has nothing in it other than a fancy Depends: line |
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| 07:55.45 | mwilson | buu: Why? |
| 07:55.50 | buu | Oh. So it doesn't matter if I remove it? |
| 07:55.53 | peterS | buu: correct |
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| 07:55.56 | buu | Excellento. |
| 07:56.02 | Xenguy | buu: kill kill kill |
| 07:56.50 | buu | mwilson: I installed X via 'install x-window-systen', it's kind of logical to assume that 'remove x-window-system' would get rid of X ... |
| 07:57.11 | Xenguy | buu: a cautious man |
| 07:57.22 | mwilson | It's more logical to assume that someone would look at the package description and find out what was going to get removed. |
| 07:57.28 | buu | mwilson: Naw, not really. |
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| 07:57.46 | mwilson | Yes, I know... assuming intelligence generally gets me in trouble. |
| 07:58.20 | buu | Assuming intelligence is the first sign of idiocy. |
| 07:59.09 | abrocadabro | I am trying to write a shell script to backup postgres database and rotates the back ups every second hour, pg_dump will always ask for password, is there a way I don't have to provide the password each time the program is running? |
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| 07:59.27 | buu | abrocadabro: Isn't that a PG question? |
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| 08:00.11 | abrocadabro | buu: it might be a bit offtopic, but I am using Sarge, just on the edge I guess :) |
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| 08:00.38 | moodsoft | is it true you need to run alsaconf in order for alsa to actually do something? |
| 08:00.44 | abrocadabro | buu:do you know where I can ask that question? |
| 08:00.58 | buu | abrocadabro: I would guess #postgresql =] |
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| 08:01.25 | streuner_ | moodsoft: you could edit /etc/modules by hand, but alsaconf is more comfort ;-) |
| 08:01.26 | abrocadabro | buu: cool, spot on, thanks man |
| 08:01.34 | moodsoft | k |
| 08:01.47 | mark_ | is there a way to sync my linux box with ms outlook or to upload outlook data to my linux box? |
| 08:02.36 | Xenguy | mark_: evolution with that 'connector' thingie (maybe) |
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| 08:04.33 | moodsoft | I wonder if that is why my sound doesn't work... I never ran alsaconf |
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| 08:05.04 | streuner_ | moodsoft: why not just use OSS? |
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| 08:05.59 | streuner_ | moodsoft: what kernel do you use? |
| 08:06.08 | moodsoft | I'm using 2.6.10 |
| 08:06.46 | streuner_ | moodsoft: give us more details, 'doesn't work' doesn't help |
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| 08:07.02 | moodsoft | sound usually is not generated |
| 08:07.20 | moodsoft | xmms says it can't find the sound card |
| 08:07.26 | moodsoft | kde produces no sound |
| 08:07.46 | streuner_ | moodsoft: does 'lspci' show the soundcard? |
| 08:08.25 | moodsoft | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio (rev 02) |
| 08:08.50 | streuner_ | moodsoft: try 'modprobe i810_audio |
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| 08:09.10 | vineet | moodsoft: what kernel are you running? |
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| 08:09.26 | streuner_ | <moodsoft> I'm using 2.6.10 |
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| 08:09.52 | moodsoft | modprobe doesn't respond w/ anything |
| 08:10.04 | streuner_ | so you using an custom kernel? |
| 08:10.06 | mark_ | xenguy where is the "connector"? |
| 08:10.17 | vineet | moodsoft: that's good. does lsmod now show the module in its list? |
| 08:10.19 | nnk | moodsoft: have you compild oss or alsa in your kernel? |
| 08:10.40 | moodsoft | nnk: yes |
| 08:10.47 | nnk | moodsoft: which? |
| 08:10.52 | vineet | moodsoft: which one? |
| 08:11.09 | vineet | moodsoft: I have a machine running an 82801db with alsa |
| 08:11.18 | moodsoft | nnk: both |
| 08:11.24 | vineet | it uses the snd_intel8x0 module |
| 08:11.27 | nnk | moodsoft: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 08:11.34 | nnk | and run alsaconfig |
| 08:11.44 | nnk | or alsaconf, can't remember |
| 08:11.48 | moodsoft | vineet, I do show a i810_audio from lsmod |
| 08:12.08 | nnk | rmmod that module before running alsaconf, btw |
| 08:12.28 | vineet | moodsoft: I'd agree with nnk's advice: rmmod that module and use alsa instead |
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| 08:12.56 | moodsoft | i didn't have alsa-base installed either |
| 08:13.11 | nnk | moodsoft: typical :) |
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| 08:14.13 | moodsoft | snd_intel8x0 33216 0 |
| 08:14.14 | moodsoft | snd_ac97_codec 77056 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 08:14.14 | moodsoft | snd_pcm 98248 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec |
| 08:14.14 | moodsoft | snd_timer 25796 1 snd_pcm |
| 08:14.14 | moodsoft | snd 56868 5 snd_mixer_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer |
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| 08:14.22 | streuner_ | argh |
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| 08:14.31 | vineet | well, it looks right, anyway |
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| 08:14.50 | streuner_ | moodsoft: ok, don't flood here |
| 08:14.54 | moodsoft | should I rmmod any of those also? |
| 08:15.01 | moodsoft | sorry |
| 08:15.09 | k5 | someone can give me a mexican irc server name? |
| 08:15.10 | streuner_ | moodsoft: copy the whole section of sound from an debian-kernel to your config |
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| 08:15.12 | vineet | moodsoft: is that before or after running alsaconf? |
| 08:15.26 | moodsoft | before |
| 08:15.56 | vineet | moodsoft: it may be best to modprobe -r them, then run alsaconf |
| 08:16.13 | vineet | moodsoft: it probably doesn't matter too much, though, if you want to just go ahead with alsaconf |
| 08:16.19 | streuner_ | moodsoft: How come, that your modules are loaded? |
| 08:16.39 | nnk | streuner_: discover, i suspect |
| 08:16.45 | vineet | k5: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml |
| 08:17.07 | nnk | moodsoft: try to rmmod all modules sound related b4 running alsaconf |
| 08:17.15 | nnk | modprobe -r, better |
| 08:17.17 | moodsoft | vineet, what does modprobe -r do? |
| 08:17.36 | vineet | moodsoft: it's like a "smarter" rmmod |
| 08:17.41 | nnk | unloads modules, but more inteligentlly than rmmod |
| 08:17.45 | vineet | as modprobe is to insmod |
| 08:18.10 | k5 | someone can give me a mexican irc server name? |
| 08:18.24 | streuner_ | k5: for what? |
| 08:18.32 | streuner_ | linux, debian? |
| 08:18.44 | moodsoft | so I have to tell it modprobe -r <modname> ? |
| 08:18.51 | vineet | right |
| 08:19.09 | moodsoft | and tell it to remove all related to snd and i810? |
| 08:19.17 | vineet | right |
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| 08:19.32 | k5 | streuner_: no, only a mexican server |
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| 08:19.41 | nnk | moodsoft: some that have i819 in them might be related to your ide controller for instance :) |
| 08:19.51 | nnk | but you wont be able to remove those anyway ;) |
| 08:20.26 | mark_ | how do i change the name of my computer? and does it require a reboot? |
| 08:20.26 | k5 | streuner_ im searching the name of a song from manu chao |
| 08:20.34 | moodsoft | so would modprobe -r snd_intel8x0 automattically remove anything that used it? |
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| 08:21.07 | k5 | all the path takes you to wallmart? |
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| 08:21.14 | chealer | k5: don't expect to find that here |
| 08:21.19 | k5 | rome |
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| 08:21.22 | streuner_ | moodsoft: install an official debian kernel, make sure your NIC is loaded (/etc/modules), apt-get remove discover, run 'alsaconf', done. |
| 08:21.33 | chealer | wallmart, WTF |
| 08:21.43 | waltermh | hi all |
| 08:21.47 | k5 | ok see ya later aligator |
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| 08:22.52 | waltermh | i have 2 partitions, i deleted the first partition and want to resize the second partition to take up the empty space, is it possible without data loss? i am using reiserfs |
| 08:23.29 | nnk | waltermh: try parted, might help |
| 08:23.40 | moodsoft | streuner_, what is the most recent "official" debian kernel? |
| 08:23.56 | nnk | moodsoft: 2.6.10 |
| 08:23.58 | streuner_ | moodsoft: 2.6.10 |
| 08:23.58 | nnk | afair |
| 08:23.58 | cthulfuego | moodsoft: For what? woody? 2.4.18-3-something, I imagine. |
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| 08:24.17 | waltermh | so when i resize the position of the partition on the disk doesnt matter? |
| 08:24.30 | Trewas | wierd, someone made official mplayer package for debian and there has been no flamewar on debian-devel... maybe it will really get into debian |
| 08:24.35 | vineet | waltermh: parted should be able to move it for you |
| 08:24.44 | waltermh | cool, thanks |
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| 08:25.00 | nnk | Trewas: other than the marillat ones? where? |
| 08:25.03 | vineet | if the first (deleted) partition is bigger than the second, you could first do a copy pretty easily |
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| 08:25.16 | cthulfuego | Trewas: Did they port it to ppc and amd64? |
| 08:25.24 | Trewas | nnk: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00611.html but it is not yet in unstable |
| 08:25.27 | waltermh | the second is over 60G while the first was 10G |
| 08:25.29 | nnk | Trewas: i think it would make sense to include it, at least in non-free |
| 08:25.35 | streuner_ | moodsoft: /msg dpkg kernel avail |
| 08:25.56 | cthulfuego | Just i386 shite. |
| 08:26.04 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 08:26.35 | waltermh | cyall |
| 08:26.48 | streuner_ | i386 is no shit, its pretty cheap and has a very good relation to the prize/effort |
| 08:26.57 | cthulfuego | streuner_: No, it's shit. |
| 08:27.26 | cthulfuego | streuner_: When people code specifically to IT, so porting to other arches is nigh impossible, it's shit. |
| 08:27.49 | streuner_ | not everyone have too much money ;-) |
| 08:27.49 | Trewas | I thought mplayer worked on pretty much any architecture, not that I have anything but x86 shite myself so my information might be wrong :) |
| 08:27.49 | cthulfuego | streuner_: And amd64 box is cheaper then a similarly priced P4 box. |
| 08:27.49 | moodsoft | so if I did an apt-get install kernel, even though I have already installed a custom 2.6.10, would it replace it? |
| 08:27.59 | cthulfuego | Trewas: No, it only exists for i386. |
| 08:28.11 | cthulfuego | streuner_: Uh, similar SPEED p4 box ;-) |
| 08:28.19 | streuner_ | cthulfuego: i didn't mean high-end PC's |
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| 08:28.45 | noonerx | xserver-xfree86 is the xwindows ain't it? |
| 08:28.47 | cthulfuego | streuner_: buying low-end pcs is a waste of time, they're outdated BEFORE you buy them <heh> |
| 08:29.04 | cthulfuego | noonerx: You want 'x-window-system-core' |
| 08:29.05 | chealer | noonerx: check the description |
| 08:29.29 | streuner_ | cthulfuego: i got my server for 20 bucks and this shit running for 2 years now... |
| 08:29.33 | noonerx | 4.1.0-16woody5? |
| 08:29.49 | vineet | noonerx: x-window-system-core gets you xserver-xfree86 and a bunch of other packages essential for an x server |
| 08:29.49 | cthulfuego | streuner_: I've spent too much time and effort installing additional ram in low-end PCs to make 'em run what the user actually wants to run. |
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| 08:30.07 | noonerx | ok |
| 08:30.25 | cthulfuego | streuner_: I'm talking about useable desktop systems that $USER can actually do work on (web/mail/office) |
| 08:30.51 | cthulfuego | I appreciate that my batch processing of 8000+ JPEGs isn't a common task. |
| 08:31.03 | streuner_ | cthulfuego: you need those stuff for games nowadays... |
| 08:31.22 | cthulfuego | streuner_: Well, AMD64's beats the pants off P4s at games. |
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| 08:31.30 | moodsoft | odd, I have the man page for discover, but I don't have the package for discover |
| 08:31.58 | noonerx | should I run init.d setup during final phase of install? |
| 08:32.00 | streuner_ | apt-get remove discover |
| 08:32.36 | noonerx | Man... I need to get an amd64 heh |
| 08:32.55 | moodsoft | streuner, apt-get says: Package discover is not installed, so not removed |
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| 08:33.07 | cthulfuego | noonerx: Yes :-) |
| 08:33.11 | streuner | moodsoft: dpkg -l | grep discover |
| 08:33.38 | Schlafschwein | y not dpkg -l discover? |
| 08:33.45 | vineet | dpkg -l discover is more efficient |
| 08:33.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching discover is more efficient |
| 08:33.52 | noonerx | what about less? |
| 08:33.57 | noonerx | mime handler? |
| 08:34.08 | moodsoft | ah, I have discover1, not discover |
| 08:34.38 | Kvant | dpkg -l "discover*", then :) |
| 08:34.39 | dpkg | ii "discover*", then : 3.7-11.1 kvant's private porn collection|No packages found matching "discover*", then :)) |
| 08:34.40 | streuner | cthulfuego: slap yourself |
| 08:34.41 | vineet | but the grep pattern works better when you don't know the exact package name ={ |
| 08:35.20 | drac | Kvant: share your porn with us? |
| 08:35.49 | cthulfuego | streuner: I was just kidding though. |
| 08:35.56 | streuner | i know :-) |
| 08:36.06 | cthulfuego | The crappiest box has 192Mb |
| 08:36.27 | cthulfuego | And that runs at 233 |
| 08:36.39 | noonerx | Need help setting up locales... like en_US IS08859-1? does that sound right? |
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| 08:37.32 | moodsoft | ok, discover1 is gone |
| 08:37.41 | mark | I can not seem to connect to samba from my win xp computer, i can see it in the network browser but when i try to log in it rejects my user name and password. Can anyone help me fix this? |
| 08:37.48 | Newbie-Debian | Hi all! does anyone got a direct Link to how to use BIND for DNS server? |
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| 08:39.32 | cthulfuego | Newbie-Debian: install the docs. |
| 08:39.55 | streuner | apt-get install bind9-doc |
| 08:40.15 | Newbie-Debian | ok thnx alot! I will try it out now |
| 08:40.26 | moodsoft | streuner, Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound (and /etc/modprobe.conf if present)? |
| 08:40.43 | streuner | no, don't touch that |
| 08:40.54 | mark | so can anyone here help me with samba? |
| 08:41.14 | moodsoft | streuner, so tell alsaconf no? |
| 08:41.31 | streuner | moodsoft: just run 'alsaconf' |
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| 08:41.39 | moodsoft | I am |
| 08:41.45 | moodsoft | and it asked me that |
| 08:41.51 | streuner | moodsoft: have you installed an official kernel yet? |
| 08:41.58 | moodsoft | no |
| 08:42.24 | streuner | !kernel avial |
| 08:42.29 | streuner | !kernel avail |
| 08:42.29 | dpkg | i guess kernel avail is http://people.debian.org/~dannf/kernel-stats/kernel-avail.html |
| 08:42.55 | moodsoft | 2.6.8-13 |
| 08:43.38 | streuner | 2.6.8 is a good kernel |
| 08:43.58 | rpetre | streuner: it has a strong kung-fu :) |
| 08:44.05 | cthulfuego | -rc3 seems nice |
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| 08:49.59 | mark | can anyone here help me with samba? |
| 08:50.35 | moodsoft | odd, alsaconfig found the card, but at the end of the process /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: No soundcards found... |
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| 08:50.55 | keith_ | Woodyr4. Xine. This error comes up and can anyone help. -xine engine error- There is no available input plugin available to handle 'xine-ui' version 0.9.8. |
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| 08:54.12 | keith_ | mark: I think you are supposed to ask a definite question and not ask to ask as I was told only very recently |
| 08:54.21 | llama32 | anyone know of a good intro to gui coding (using just about any toolkit...) in c? |
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| 08:54.49 | mark | keith third time asking at this poing i am just probing to see if anyone is willing to help |
| 08:55.13 | oenek | chekc out glade llama32 |
| 08:55.52 | oenek | Its been a while since I've used it but its a decent RAD for Gnome/GTK |
| 08:56.03 | oenek | and there is plenty of help with it. |
| 08:56.42 | fatal | llama32: this describes the basic widgets in GTK+, http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/programming/gtk_examples/index.shtml ... though you pretty quickly need to move on from that and the best followup is looking at some small program as an example maybe. |
| 08:56.57 | keith_ | mark: You will just have to keep asking. Someone will help you sooner or later. Sorry I can't help you with Samba |
| 08:57.13 | mark | keith, ok |
| 08:57.14 | oenek | llama32: http://glade.gnome.org/ |
| 08:57.35 | mark | so can someone here help me with samba? i can see my linux box from my win xp computer but i can not log into is |
| 08:57.39 | oenek | don't know if thats what you're intrested in |
| 08:57.40 | mark | s/is/it |
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| 08:59.02 | llama32 | thanks oenek |
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| 08:59.22 | llama32 | and fatal |
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| 09:00.03 | moodsoft | somone was saying earlier if you remove gdm, that would make it so you have the normal text based login? |
| 09:00.14 | neko` | Does anyone have any good howto's on how to go from 2.4 kernel to 2.6 in Debian? |
| 09:00.20 | llama32 | glade looks interesting |
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| 09:00.37 | buu | moodsoft: If you remove all of the dm's, yes |
| 09:00.49 | moodsoft | dm's? |
| 09:00.56 | llama32 | desktop manager |
| 09:01.02 | llama32 | maybe |
| 09:01.07 | jm_ | display |
| 09:01.24 | moodsoft | ok, I don't want to get rid of xwindows, but don't want it automatically launched |
| 09:01.39 | jm_ | so uninstall all display managers |
| 09:01.44 | llama32 | ooh thats the one... thought desktop didnt sound right after i said it :) |
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| 09:02.12 | moodsoft | jm_, besides gdm, what would that be? |
| 09:02.15 | marinos | *dm's |
| 09:02.31 | marinos | xdm/kdm/gdm/wdm ... |
| 09:02.33 | moodsoft | can I apt-get remove *dm ? |
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| 09:02.43 | jm_ | moodsoft: apt-cache search display-manager |
| 09:02.44 | Mr | hi gyes |
| 09:02.48 | Mr | guy? |
| 09:03.09 | PerfDave | neko`: In which version of Debian? |
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| 09:03.12 | Mr | how do i get the shockwave plugin ? |
| 09:03.23 | Mr | is there a module for it |
| 09:03.38 | PerfDave | Mr: There's flashplayer-nonfree IIRC |
| 09:03.54 | Mr | ok |
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| 09:04.12 | drac | Mr: And another flashplugin in marillat. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 09:04.14 | groton | hello all |
| 09:04.16 | Mr | PerfDave, : is id downloadable in console ? |
| 09:04.25 | Trewas | cthulfuego: btw mplayer claims to work on pretty much any os/architecture (http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/ports.html) |
| 09:04.36 | PerfDave | Mr: Yes, apt-get is usable from the console. |
| 09:04.49 | Mr | PerfDave, : thanks |
| 09:04.50 | Mr | =) |
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| 09:05.22 | cthulfuego | Trewas: Yeah. Doesn't compile on 'em though. |
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| 09:05.30 | cthulfuego | Trewas: Wasted too much time trying. |
| 09:06.05 | PerfDave | moodsoft: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 09:06.28 | jethro | mornin |
| 09:06.31 | moodsoft | jm_, so after removing all of those, when I reboot it'll restart at a text prompt? |
| 09:06.50 | Mr | PerfDave, : whats the apt-get module name ? |
| 09:07.20 | Trewas | cthulfuego: I just tried on solaris/sparc, it almost compiled :) |
| 09:07.41 | PerfDave | Mr: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:07.43 | groton | is there any guru which could explain why my enviroment in a bash shell differs from what im defining in the .bashrc? actually im including my .bashrc by the .bash_profile. |
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| 09:07.55 | Mr | aa ok |
| 09:08.07 | PerfDave | groton: #bash ? ;) |
| 09:08.09 | Mr | PerfDave, : said it couldent find |
| 09:08.18 | Mr | PerfDave, : ill try again |
| 09:08.24 | PerfDave | Mr: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 09:08.28 | moodsoft | ok, well time for bed, thanks for the help all |
| 09:08.32 | jm_ | moodsoft: you don't need to reboot |
| 09:08.44 | jm_ | groton: also /msg dpkg bashrc |
| 09:08.59 | moodsoft | jm_, so just logging out now will take me to a command prompt? |
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| 09:09.31 | Mr | PerfDave, : well dun know i got the netinstall 2 days ago so i am lernig as i go =) anyway to chek ? |
| 09:09.35 | jm_ | moodsoft: to be honest, I don't know, but you can always stop *dm by hand (there's a script in /etc/init.d) |
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| 09:09.48 | PerfDave | Mr: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:09.58 | moodsoft | jm_, its already gone |
| 09:10.01 | Mr | PerfDave, :cheking |
| 09:10.06 | oenek | hey does anyone know if there is a way to keep aptitude from uninstalling what it considers "unused packages" ? |
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| 09:10.30 | Mr | got 3.1 it says |
| 09:10.35 | oenek | It trys uninstall the majority of my system. Just trashed KDE (not that I use it that much) |
| 09:10.42 | Mr | PerfDave, :3.1 it is |
| 09:10.50 | oenek | tries to uninstall I mean |
| 09:10.51 | jm_ | moodsoft: well then you'll find out what happens I guess ;) |
| 09:10.59 | PerfDave | !info flashplugin-nonfree sarge |
| 09:11.00 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
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| 09:11.25 | PerfDave | Mr: Then you're running Sarge, hopefully, or sid if you're unlucky. You need to have the "contrib" repository in your sources.list |
| 09:12.22 | groton | jm: thanks |
| 09:12.24 | Mr | PerfDave, : ok =) little lost =) totaly new to linux... but i am a quick lerner |
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| 09:13.24 | PerfDave | Mr: You need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to add the contrib repository. Either read the APT HOWTO on the Debian website, or "man sources.list". |
| 09:13.28 | Daani | in sarge how do i set my ip from dhcp to static? |
| 09:13.43 | bbrazil | Daani: man 5 interfaces |
| 09:13.45 | PerfDave | Daani: apt-get install etherconf, or hand-edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:14.15 | Mr | PerfDave, : ok ill chek out the apt howto =) thanks man =) |
| 09:15.33 | Mr | PerfDave, : you have a link to the howto btw |
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| 09:15.43 | buu | Anyone have an idea why exim is filling my /var/spool/exim/msglog folder with files? |
| 09:16.03 | buu | They all have random names, and it's going at like 10 a second. |
| 09:16.08 | PerfDave | Mr: No, it's on the Debian website, http://www.debian.org/ |
| 09:16.14 | Mr | ok |
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| 09:16.20 | Mr | PerfDave, : ok =) |
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| 09:16.59 | mattilius | is there a security mirror for unstable? |
| 09:17.38 | Ghostbuster | hello all |
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| 09:17.59 | jm_ | mattilius: /msg dpkg security |
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| 09:18.33 | mattilius | ah, ty |
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| 09:20.59 | neko` | PerfDave: sorry |
| 09:21.02 | neko` | was afk |
| 09:21.42 | neko` | PerfDave: 2.4.18, debian-30r4-powerpc-binary-1.iso installed from that |
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| 09:22.35 | Daani | when i've changed network setting how do i restard em? |
| 09:22.36 | PerfDave | neko`: You're running Woody. Woody and 2.6 don't mix well without special packages. Either "/msg dpkg bunk 2.6" and follow the instructions there, or dist-upgrade to Testing (losing security updates) and use a kernel-image-2.6.* package. |
| 09:22.40 | PerfDave | Daani: ifdown, ifup |
| 09:23.05 | neko` | PerfDave: ok... dist-upgrade sounds more appealing |
| 09:23.27 | neko` | and I need to get up to speed where linux/debian keeps it's default-router info |
| 09:23.40 | PerfDave | neko`: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:23.49 | PerfDave | neko`: man 5 interfaces, man ifdown, man ifup ;) |
| 09:24.31 | neko` | thanks |
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| 09:25.20 | Ghostbuster | is ndiswrapper for network only ? |
| 09:25.33 | sanxiyn | I think so. |
| 09:25.45 | Coke | Can someone recommend a feature-packed blog (pyblosxom is not good enough) system? |
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| 09:26.24 | Mr | PerfDave, : it said that it was unneccesary to do that |
| 09:26.47 | noonerx | Anyone know the best way to go about installing Java? |
| 09:26.49 | Mr | PerfDave, : it only says that the plugin cannot be found on the host |
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| 09:27.21 | sanxiyn | noonerx: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 09:28.03 | noonerx | ok as long as thats not reformat hard drive :) |
| 09:28.26 | noonerx | no such file or directory? |
| 09:28.34 | Mr | brb |
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| 09:29.01 | jm_ | he said : "/msg dpkg install java" not use dpkg the command |
| 09:29.21 | sanxiyn | !tell noonerx about install java |
| 09:29.29 | Eclipser_ | haha |
| 09:29.47 | Eclipser_ | installing java by hand is fun... in a way... |
| 09:29.52 | noonerx | do I need to be in root or something? |
| 09:29.53 | pgy | hi |
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| 09:30.14 | neko` | gah |
| 09:30.21 | neko` | manpages without simple examples must die |
| 09:30.30 | sanxiyn | neko`: e.g.? |
| 09:30.34 | noonerx | zip |
| 09:30.37 | neko` | interfaces |
| 09:30.44 | neko` | I want a simple static entry |
| 09:30.48 | neko` | no dhcp, no l33t mappings |
| 09:31.05 | neko` | the first example is mapping eth0, then some script... etc |
| 09:31.30 | sanxiyn | neko`: s/eth0-home/eth0/ and leave out mapping, etc. |
| 09:31.55 | sanxiyn | auto eth0; iface eth0 inet static address ... netmask ... gateway ... |
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| 09:32.00 | pgy | I burn 5 disks, copy a suite of VCD, 4 of them failed with the k3b, 1 success with the nero |
| 09:32.05 | neko` | yeah I have that now |
| 09:32.41 | sanxiyn | pgy: weird |
| 09:32.47 | neko` | auto eth0 |
| 09:32.48 | neko` | iface eth0 inet XXX.XXX.137.40 255.255.255.0 XXX.XXX.137.1 |
| 09:32.50 | pgy | 4 of them can't be read now, that were too bad |
| 09:32.50 | neko` | is the one... |
| 09:33.16 | neko` | oh |
| 09:33.20 | neko` | keywords needed? |
| 09:33.25 | sanxiyn | yes |
| 09:33.31 | pgy | I also tried to fixate them, but still failed |
| 09:34.02 | neko` | to many paramaters... |
| 09:34.05 | neko` | for iface line |
| 09:34.40 | neko` | iface eth0 inet static address <IP> netmask <netmask> gateway <IP> |
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| 09:34.47 | pgy | could anyone give me some advices? |
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| 09:35.35 | Ghostbuster | do you have all the plugins for k3b for vcd? |
| 09:36.03 | pgy | no, I just copy the VCD |
| 09:36.24 | Ghostbuster | oh |
| 09:36.26 | pgy | clone |
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| 09:37.25 | egonw | svn update does not work due to problem: PRNG is not seeded. Suggestions? |
| 09:37.37 | Mr | back |
| 09:39.41 | Mr | PerfDave, : if i wanna install a local deb pak. how do i do that ? |
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| 09:39.53 | Noid | Mr: man dpkg |
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| 09:40.18 | Mr | Noid, : do i have to include fila path ? |
| 09:40.44 | sanxiyn | Mr: "dpkg -i <deb file>", as root. |
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| 09:40.50 | sanxiyn | Eh... |
| 09:41.07 | Mr | sanxiyn, : thanks |
| 09:41.19 | Noid | Mr: yes, if necessary |
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| 09:45.03 | shishi | hello somoene use K8n deluxe with his debian ? |
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| 09:46.01 | sussudio | !irritate shishi |
| 09:46.02 | dpkg | shishi: wenas who uses sound !!!1 |
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| 09:49.16 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
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| 09:51.41 | neko` | sanxiyn: now for some reason, I can't connect to anything outside the LAN...odd |
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| 09:52.35 | neko` | odd |
| 09:52.39 | neko` | netstat -r is correct |
| 09:53.02 | neko` | no tcpdump or traceroute installed either >_< |
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| 09:57.25 | neko` | I probably fucked something up... |
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| 10:01.31 | neko` | worked with dhcp... |
| 10:01.59 | neko` | aaah |
| 10:02.34 | drac | is my irc client broken? i can see only one guy talking.. |
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| 10:03.09 | jm_ | yes |
| 10:03.26 | afabian | I think there's only one guy talking. That doesn't preclude your IRC client being broken, but that's probably not a symptom of it, in any case. |
| 10:03.27 | zeeble | even #debian rests. |
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| 10:04.29 | at0m|c | hi, what do you guys use to edit .doc from an MS machine? the progs i have dont recognise the character coding.. |
| 10:04.38 | jantje | Hi, is there a debian package vor mod_dav (webdav) for apache2 ? |
| 10:04.40 | cthulfuego | at0m|c: OpenOffice.org Writer |
| 10:04.53 | at0m|c | oki, cheers cthulfuego |
| 10:05.13 | cthulfuego | jantje: apt-cache search webdav |
| 10:05.43 | jantje | cthulfuego: there is one for apache1 .. |
| 10:05.57 | cthulfuego | jantje: So your question is answered. |
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| 10:06.31 | jantje | cthulfuego: i have apache2 .. and when i trie to apt-get it, it wants to install apache1 :) |
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| 10:06.49 | cthulfuego | jantje: Yes, it clearly states it's for apache1. |
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| 10:07.40 | jantje | cthulfuego: yes .. but i need it on apache 2 .. ? |
| 10:08.02 | saerdna | jantje: jesos, its not that hard to compile some stuff by your own |
| 10:08.13 | cthulfuego | jantje: But look, it *also* finds "libapache2-svn". And what does 'apt-cache show libapache2-svn' say? |
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| 10:08.30 | PerfDave | libapache2-svn provides mod_dav_svn for apache2 which might help |
| 10:08.31 | jantje | hmm |
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| 10:09.01 | saerdna | subversion kicks ass |
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| 10:09.15 | saerdna | is it a good idea to install the gpm mouse daemon? |
| 10:09.18 | idnar | libapache2-svn doesn't provide mod_dav, does it? |
| 10:09.22 | ugexe | when I do echo test >> /dev/tty7 it doesn't show up on any terminal... is there a way to set a terminal window to a tty or something |
| 10:09.25 | cthulfuego | idnar: it claims it does. |
| 10:09.38 | idnar | cthulfuego: no, it claims it provides mod_dav_svn |
| 10:09.43 | jantje | idd |
| 10:09.45 | Souza10 | Does anybody could help me? I installed the Debian(stable) and blackbox(I already tried stable and unstable) and suddenly it closes my blackbox and the graphics login appears. It seems to be the PAM but I am not sure. Could sby help me? |
| 10:09.46 | cthulfuego | idnar: Yes. |
| 10:09.49 | nz17 | I am looking for information about pysol. What distro-maker was selling it rebranded awhile ago? |
| 10:09.56 | cthulfuego | idnar: Any chance that speaks webdav? |
| 10:10.15 | idnar | cthulfuego: in fact, mod_dav_svn requireds mod_dav to be loaded to function afaik |
| 10:10.15 | afabian | saerdna, it seemed to interfere with the mouse in X when I tried it on sarge a while ago. Maybe it was a problem that could be easily resolved, but I don't really use the straight console enough to bother. Just removed gpm. |
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| 10:10.19 | jantje | i want to replace my samba server by a webdav-thingie, is that a good choice ? |
| 10:10.31 | idnar | cthulfuego, jantje: mod_dav is provided by the package apache2-common |
| 10:10.45 | cthulfuego | jantje: Depends on the number of clients and the server. |
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| 10:11.13 | jantje | idnar: aaah, yes, indeed, thanks :) |
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| 10:11.51 | naim | ello, i've got a flash disk, 32 mb in size, any pointer on how to make a gentoo that small. Eventually i want to run iptables, ssh, and have a dvb driver running on it. any pointers please |
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| 10:12.02 | cthulfuego | !lart naim |
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| 10:12.09 | cthulfuego | naim: heck the channel name. |
| 10:12.18 | naim | i dont want to make another live cd ..this will run on one machine only |
| 10:12.28 | cthulfuego | naim: check the channel name. |
| 10:12.30 | sep | naim: this is not #gentoo, also look at leaf.sf.net a debian derivate firewall on 'anything that's small' |
| 10:12.34 | cthulfuego | Stop being needlessly verbose. |
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| 10:13.09 | naim | oops .. i never meant to say gentoo |
| 10:13.11 | naim | oops |
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| 10:13.39 | liyao | hi |
| 10:13.43 | liyao | hello? |
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| 10:14.03 | sep | liyao: do you expect the 732 people in here to heartily greet you ? |
| 10:14.08 | sep | bah :) |
| 10:14.10 | saerdna | lol |
| 10:14.17 | cthulfuego | saerdna: yes, Within 10 seconds, too. |
| 10:14.43 | saerdna | that was just funny |
| 10:15.00 | saerdna | i waited for someone to 1) greet him 2) make a fool of him |
| 10:15.32 | sep | he must have the image that #debian is the most idle channel around :) |
| 10:15.36 | Souza10 | Does anybody could help me? I installed the Debian(stable) and blackbox(I already tried stable and unstable) and suddenly it closes my blackbox and the graphics login appears. It seems to be the PAM but I am not sure. Could sby help me? |
| 10:15.42 | cthulfuego | sep: Well, it is, relatively. |
| 10:16.02 | sep | cthulfuego: when you put it that way... yes lol |
| 10:16.02 | cthulfuego | sep: 98% of users (bots?) just idles. |
| 10:16.25 | sep | cthulfuego: i allways stay in here, even if i dont ask or help out, you allways pick up stuff |
| 10:16.32 | saerdna | is it possible to change the paste-button in x? |
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| 10:17.03 | cthulfuego | ^a-d is faster |
| 10:17.42 | cantona | any program can mount .v2i extension |
| 10:17.43 | sep | Souza10: try to be more spesific. what are you doing when 'it' 'suddenly' happenes |
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| 10:20.24 | Souza10 | sep: when I am using my blackbox into xdm and stop typing for 5 minutes aproximately, all my windows close and the the screen asking for a new login appears. It's not a screensaver cause it doesn't lock it. |
| 10:20.56 | nz17 | There we are: http://www.lycoris.com/press/ace.php |
| 10:21.13 | nz17 | Lycoris was the distro that was putting out a knockoff copy of pysol. |
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| 10:21.27 | abrocadabro | is it possible to install sarge over ssh? |
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| 10:21.44 | incorrect | does anyone know an xml 'prettyfier' |
| 10:21.52 | nz17 | That was back in 2003, but I still have a beef with it. Anyway, now that that's solved, anyone know where I can buy Tux plushes? |
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| 10:22.23 | saerdna | abrocadabro: its not like gentoo when you install with the console but it only takes 2 min and then you have debian up and running with ssh enabled |
| 10:23.28 | abrocadabro | saerdna: problem is the machine I want to put Debian on is remote and I can't find a keyboard for it |
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| 10:23.58 | abrocadabro | it currently has redhat |
| 10:24.00 | saerdna | abrocadabro: i have plenty of keyboards in my wardrobe :)) |
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| 10:24.02 | incorrect | abrocadabro, build yourself a bootable live cd / usb stick, start ssh, and install with debootstrap |
| 10:24.05 | saerdna | redhat sucks |
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| 10:24.29 | saerdna | redhat, suse, fedora and mandrake should be eliminated |
| 10:24.34 | abrocadabro | that's why I am moving to debian |
| 10:24.57 | Desert | exit |
| 10:24.57 | Desert | quit |
| 10:24.58 | saerdna | how remote is the computer? |
| 10:25.04 | sep | Souza10: still can be the screensaver cousing the troubble, change the timer for it see if that changes the time it takes to crach, also check your logs |
| 10:25.07 | abrocadabro | incorrect: I have a Sarge install CD |
| 10:25.08 | saerdna | do you have a friend with it or something? |
| 10:25.35 | abrocadabro | saerdna: downstairs, but I don't have a keyboard |
| 10:25.48 | abrocadabro | and it's headless |
| 10:25.52 | saerdna | abrocadabro: your typing with one currently |
| 10:26.18 | sep | abrocadabro: install on console |
| 10:26.28 | sep | abrocadabro: useing serialport |
| 10:26.29 | abrocadabro | saerdna: that's me laptop |
| 10:26.37 | saerdna | abrocadabro: ah, haha |
| 10:26.37 | saerdna | =D |
| 10:26.46 | Souza10 | sep: sorry, but where the hell could I set the time for screensaver? I already saw my logs and nothing there. |
| 10:27.00 | saerdna | abrocadabro: you can have one of my keyboards for free |
| 10:27.06 | saerdna | but ibet you dont live in linköping, sweden |
| 10:27.25 | saerdna | abrocadabro: just borrow a keyboard from a friend |
| 10:27.39 | saerdna | or buy one, its not like they are expensive |
| 10:27.52 | sep | Souza10: have no idea |
| 10:27.59 | abrocadabro | saerdna: you are right, |
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| 10:28.13 | Souza10 | sep: thanks |
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| 10:29.35 | abrocadabro | incorrect: what do I need to do with my Sarge net install cd ? |
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| 10:29.57 | abrocadabro | incorrect: along with debootstrap I mean |
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| 10:31.43 | saerdna | abrocadabro: its not worth it. just get a keyboard |
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| 10:31.50 | saerdna | its not that rush to install debian, is it? |
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| 10:32.11 | abrocadabro | saerdna: yeah, I'll try to find a keyboard |
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| 10:36.32 | cantona | does the 2.6.10 kernel support IT8212 |
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| 10:42.52 | Souza10 | Does anybody know how I set the timer of screensaver for blackbox? It's closing my session suddenly after some minutes without work. |
| 10:43.44 | jm_ | Souza10: check if you have xscreensaver running |
| 10:43.51 | saerdna | is blackbox still developed? |
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| 10:45.20 | PerfDave | Wouldn't it be weird if abrocadabro *did* live in Linköping ;) |
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| 10:47.45 | possie | anyone know a nice util to plot a graph from sar data? |
| 10:48.08 | sussudio | nein |
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| 10:49.34 | PerfDave | possie: At a guess, graphviz |
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| 10:50.44 | cahoot | possie: radar-tools |
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| 10:51.07 | _Code | hi |
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| 10:51.26 | robink | Where does the debian package |
| 10:51.30 | robink | 'xmms' look for skins? |
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| 10:52.03 | jethro | xmms-skins maybe? |
| 10:52.06 | jethro | !tell robink about search |
| 10:52.26 | possie | cahoot: that's not a debian/sarge package? |
| 10:52.27 | fooz | robink, ~/.xmms/Skins/ |
| 10:53.04 | cahoot | possie: no |
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| 10:53.27 | R1ck | how can I prevent apt-get from install libssl0.9.7, I already have ssl from source installed |
| 10:53.34 | R1ck | I want to apt-get install wget |
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| 10:53.45 | jethro | R1ck: you don't want to install from source, when there are packages |
| 10:54.04 | stew | R1ck: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 10:54.19 | PerfDave | R1ck: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 10:54.25 | stew | R1ck: but the question begs: why did you compile from source? |
| 10:54.27 | R1ck | jethro: well, the ssl from the deb didnt allow me to compile anything against it |
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| 10:54.38 | fooz | hmm what did they do, pick the worst possible xmms skins they could find for that xmms-skins package? |
| 10:54.39 | Souza10 | jm_: no it is not running and I even haven't configured it |
| 10:54.41 | PerfDave | R1ck: That's because it's a binary package, you want the libssl-dev package. |
| 10:54.47 | PerfDave | R1ck: What do you need to compile against it? |
| 10:54.50 | R1ck | sasl2 |
| 10:54.50 | stew | R1ck: if you want to compile against ssh you need the libssl-dev package |
| 10:54.55 | R1ck | hmmm |
| 10:54.57 | fooz | haha |
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| 10:55.05 | stew | s/ssh/ssl/ ... |
| 10:55.07 | R1ck | see I searched for 0.9.7 |
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| 10:55.15 | R1ck | with apt-cache |
| 10:55.17 | PerfDave | R1ck: And why do you need to compile SASL? It's in Debian. |
| 10:55.27 | R1ck | PerfDave: ugh long, loooooooong story. |
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| 10:55.34 | R1ck | i'll try to make it short |
| 10:55.37 | noid2 | good afternoon |
| 10:55.44 | PerfDave | R1ck: I think you need to read the APT HOWTO, and possibly the FAQ. |
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| 10:56.06 | R1ck | I want dspam. dspam wants mysql > 4.0. debian provides 4.1, but sasl from debian wants < 4.1 |
| 10:56.10 | R1ck | see my prob? |
| 10:56.24 | jethro | R1ck: sarge? sid? |
| 10:56.34 | R1ck | sarge |
| 10:57.24 | djinnii | hi all. i have a recent deb box setup. at first apt was setup for testing but i've changed it to stable. should i be doing anything to convert my system to stable? apt-get dist-upgrade just wants to update fileutils, shellutils, textutils but is blocked by coreutils which seems normal, but a little nuisance |
| 10:57.34 | saerdna | R1ck: thats true |
| 10:57.39 | saerdna | R1ck: a friend also had that problem |
| 10:57.41 | PerfDave | R1ck: Debian's SASL packages seem not to depend on MYSQL. |
| 10:57.46 | directhex|work | djinnii, you cannot in any way downgrade from testing to stable |
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| 10:57.49 | stew | R1ck: which sasl package/ |
| 10:57.50 | R1ck | PerfDave: nah its the sql plugin for sasl |
| 10:57.56 | PerfDave | djinnii: You should reinstall. |
| 10:58.10 | djinnii | PerfDave: even over time? |
| 10:58.10 | PerfDave | djinnii: You can't downgrade. |
| 10:58.14 | R1ck | libsasl2-modules-sql |
| 10:58.22 | PerfDave | djinnii: What do you mean, "over time"? |
| 10:58.29 | stew | @depends libsasl2-modules-sql |
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| 10:58.49 | djinnii | PerfDave: as packages are updated over the next 6 months wouldn't the box end up effectively being a stable? |
| 10:58.51 | stew | err |
| 10:58.56 | ravenbird | libsasl2-modules-sql: depends on libsasl2 (= 2.1.19-1.5), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libmysqlclient10, libpq3 (>= 7.4) |
| 10:58.56 | stew | @depends libsasl2-modules-sql sarge |
| 10:59.12 | PerfDave | djinnii: No new packages go into stable. |
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| 10:59.21 | ravenbird | libsasl2-modules-sql: depends on libsasl2 (= 2.1.19-1.5), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libmysqlclient10, libpq3 (>= 7.4) |
| 10:59.34 | R1ck | if I could do all this with the 4.1 mysql server i'd be happy |
| 10:59.36 | PerfDave | djinnii: If you pin your sources.list to "sarge" rather than "testing" then when Sarge is released as stable, you will have a stable box. |
| 10:59.37 | djinnii | And stable is maintained in terms of security? |
| 10:59.44 | fooz | yep |
| 10:59.46 | PerfDave | djinnii: Yes, stable has security updates. |
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| 10:59.56 | fooz | it's the only one that does, isn't it? |
| 10:59.57 | PerfDave | djinnii: But that will happen when Sarge is released, not as a trickle over time. |
| 11:00.01 | PerfDave | fooz: Yes, that's right. |
| 11:00.03 | djinnii | how do i pin sources.list to "sarge"? |
| 11:00.13 | PerfDave | djinnii: Replace "testing" with "sarge" in sources.list |
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| 11:00.38 | R1ck | is there a way to make libsasl2-modules-sql use the libmysqlclient14 package? |
| 11:00.39 | stew | !test |
| 11:00.47 | djinnii | my sources.list on has > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 11:00.54 | stew | @test |
| 11:00.55 | ravenbird | stew: grrr, what do *you* want? |
| 11:00.58 | djinnii | on=only |
| 11:01.04 | PerfDave | djinnii: Then replace stable with sarge. |
| 11:01.04 | stew | @depednds libmysqlclient10 sarge |
| 11:01.09 | directhex|work | djinnii, you CANNOT downgrade from sarge to woody. end of story. |
| 11:01.11 | PerfDave | R1ck: You could try backporting the SASL stuff from Sid, if that has different dependencies. |
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| 11:01.52 | stew | R1ck: it doens't look like libsasl2-modules-sql: depends on a particular version of mysql |
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| 11:02.05 | R1ck | PerfDave: it wont work if I install libmysqlclient14? |
| 11:02.18 | djinnii | thanks all. have more info to investigate now. |
| 11:02.22 | R1ck | stew: libmysqlclient10 is from the 3.x series of mysql |
| 11:02.23 | PerfDave | !info libmysqlclient14 sarge |
| 11:02.34 | R1ck | !info libmysqlclient14 sarge |
| 11:02.42 | R1ck | hm? :) |
| 11:02.49 | PerfDave | R1ck: Is libmysqlclient14 *in* Sarge? |
| 11:03.16 | PerfDave | R1ck: It won't work, unless libmysqlclient14 Provides: libmysqlclient10, because libsasl2-modules-sql Depends: on libmysqlclient10 |
| 11:03.16 | R1ck | yeah |
| 11:03.27 | R1ck | ok |
| 11:03.53 | R1ck | hm |
| 11:03.59 | R1ck | it doesnt Provides: anything |
| 11:04.00 | PerfDave | R1ck: I suggest using MySQL and dspam from Testing, and see whether the SASL packages in Sid will work with MySQL 4.1 |
| 11:04.17 | PerfDave | @depends libsasl2-modules-sql sid |
| 11:04.39 | ravenbird | libsasl2-modules-sql: depends on libsasl2 (= 2.1.19-1.5), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libmysqlclient10, libpq3 (>= 7.4) |
| 11:04.43 | R1ck | is there no way to make apt think libmysqlclient14 provides libmysqlclient10? |
| 11:05.01 | PerfDave | R1ck: Not without hand-editing the .deb file. |
| 11:05.01 | fooz | R1ck, equivs, again |
| 11:05.07 | R1ck | cause the 14 version should be fully backwards compatible |
| 11:05.27 | stew | what is the name of the dspam package? |
| 11:05.38 | R1ck | hm dpkg doesnt respond to me |
| 11:05.45 | PerfDave | fooz: As long as there are no Conflicts: problems |
| 11:05.47 | R1ck | stew: its not yet packaged |
| 11:05.53 | fooz | hehe |
| 11:06.18 | fooz | it seems like R1ck is trying to create a dependency hell |
| 11:06.19 | R1ck | howcome dpkg ignores me? |
| 11:06.30 | PerfDave | fooz: So the problem is that SASL depends on libmysqlclient10 which is a MySQL 4.0 thing, and you have MySQL 4.1 and libmysqlclient14 ? |
| 11:06.31 | stew | dpkg: test |
| 11:06.32 | R1ck | fooz: its already hell |
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| 11:06.42 | stew | R1ck: dpkg appears to be dead |
| 11:06.44 | PerfDave | R1ck: Have you checked the BTS for this? |
| 11:06.52 | R1ck | the what? |
| 11:06.54 | PerfDave | @bts |
| 11:06.55 | ravenbird | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename . Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
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| 11:07.10 | R1ck | ok |
| 11:07.15 | PerfDave | R1ck: It may have been noted and a workaround already provided. Or there may be an imminent fix. |
| 11:07.15 | poizot | hi all |
| 11:07.22 | R1ck | i'll check |
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| 11:07.29 | macnetic | yesterday, takatumi pointed me towards scponly as a solution to providing chrooted file transfer to my users. afther much fiddling about, it finally dawned on me that the binaries the scponly setup script copies to the scponly user needs to be present in all users' homedir (d'oh!). now, not nearly all my users (several hundred via samba) will need or use scp, so I'd like to copy the files only where necessary. pam_mkhomedir didn't work, so I had the idea |
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| 11:07.41 | poizot | try to install debian on a ds20 with an install network cdrom |
| 11:08.22 | stew | R1ck: there is an ITP filed for dspam you might be able to find packages attached to the bug |
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| 11:09.27 | R1ck | stew: well for now dspam is not the problem |
| 11:09.28 | poizot | I tried boot dka500 -flags 0 but get a kernel panic after scsi drive detection |
| 11:09.34 | R1ck | I found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=287750 tho |
| 11:09.50 | R1ck | but that doesnt provide a workaround or anything |
| 11:09.59 | R1ck | guess I'll go back to source, again |
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| 11:10.43 | PerfDave | R1ck: What happens if you install libmysqlclient14? |
| 11:10.51 | sussudio | hmm |
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| 11:11.49 | sussudio | whoops |
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| 11:12.37 | speedy | whats a good firewall scripts for debian? |
| 11:12.46 | speedy | 2.4 kernel |
| 11:13.25 | R1ck | PerfDave: it wants to install libmysqlclient10 |
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| 11:13.31 | PerfDave | R1ck: What does? |
| 11:13.43 | R1ck | PerfDave: err, I mean, when I apt-get install libsasl2-modules-sql |
| 11:13.56 | R1ck | its like it isnt there |
| 11:13.57 | PerfDave | R1ck: What happens if you install libmysqlclient14? |
| 11:14.10 | PerfDave | Like what isn't there? |
| 11:14.28 | R1ck | like libmysqlclient14 isnt there |
| 11:14.35 | PerfDave | R1ck: What happens if you install libmysqlclient14? |
| 11:14.48 | R1ck | PerfDave: what do you think, it installs it |
| 11:14.53 | PerfDave | R1ck: libsasl2-modules-sql has no reason to install libmysqlclient14, because it doesn't know anything about it. |
| 11:15.02 | sussudio | ~test |
| 11:15.04 | apt | Failed |
| 11:15.06 | PerfDave | R1ck: So you can have libmysqlclient10 and libmysqlclient14 installed simultaneously? |
| 11:15.19 | sussudio | @test |
| 11:15.20 | ravenbird | No, sussudio, you're not online any more. |
| 11:15.24 | R1ck | PerfDave: uh yeah I guess so |
| 11:15.38 | stew | !conflicts libmysqlclient14 |
| 11:15.43 | R1ck | PerfDave: hmm.. i think i see where you are going with this.. |
| 11:15.59 | R1ck | PerfDave: like.. install the package, symlink the .so's ? |
| 11:16.43 | Noid | where are the config files where one specifies the WEP password for the access point? |
| 11:17.14 | stew | Noid: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:17.41 | stew | Noid: man 5 interfaces |
| 11:17.49 | Noid | stew: even in the machine behaving as access point? |
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| 11:17.59 | PerfDave | R1ck: No, not symlink |
| 11:18.00 | stew | Noid: sure |
| 11:18.05 | Noid | stew: ok thanks |
| 11:18.22 | stew | Noid: anything you would normally do with iwconfig you can do in interfaces |
| 11:18.30 | R1ck | funnyly enough, installing mysql-server-4.1 install libmysqlclient10 also.. |
| 11:18.33 | PerfDave | R1ck: Install libmysqlclient10 to satisfy SASL's dependencies, and libmysqlclient14 and libmysqlclient14-dev to compile dspam against |
| 11:18.52 | R1ck | PerfDave: that doesnt fix anything |
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| 11:18.52 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 11:18.55 | PerfDave | R1ck: Why not? |
| 11:19.04 | sussudio | !test |
| 11:19.04 | badgers | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 11:19.08 | R1ck | PerfDave: because sasl2 will use libmysqlclient10 to connect to the database |
| 11:19.08 | fooz | badgers, snake |
| 11:19.08 | badgers | well, snake is sticky, creepy, or whispers. See also sco. |
| 11:19.16 | sussudio | !zoof |
| 11:19.16 | badgers | not zoof. fooz. |
| 11:19.16 | R1ck | PerfDave: which is incompatible with 4.1 servers |
| 11:19.17 | PerfDave | R1ck: Why is that a problem? |
| 11:19.25 | R1ck | PerfDave: it wont connect. ever |
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| 11:19.32 | PerfDave | But 4.1 has libmysqlclient10 as a dependency! |
| 11:19.40 | R1ck | I know, it's silly |
| 11:19.58 | R1ck | PerfDave: check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=287750 |
| 11:20.03 | PerfDave | Have you considered using PostgreSQL? ;) |
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| 11:20.45 | PerfDave | So your problem is not that you can't get dspam and sasl simultaneously, but that SASL is broken because it depends on libmysqlclient10 which doesn't connect with MySQL 4.1? |
| 11:20.54 | R1ck | PerfDave: ugh.. no I haven't, but its a valid consideration |
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| 11:21.04 | R1ck | PerfDave: well its a combination |
| 11:21.14 | R1ck | PerfDave: dspam requires 4.1 |
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| 11:21.26 | R1ck | PerfDave: or 4.0 at least.. it does some funny queries |
| 11:21.50 | R1ck | tho sasl, postfix and dspam can all use pgsql... |
| 11:21.56 | R1ck | I might even give that a try |
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| 11:22.18 | R1ck | altho.. I have to get this server colocated before the end of the week |
| 11:22.50 | PerfDave | R1ck: This is what you get for trying to run a server on Testing ;) |
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| 11:23.23 | R1ck | stable is just *too* *damn* *old* |
| 11:23.31 | PerfDave | R1ck: You do realise that you're not going to get security updates, right? |
| 11:23.31 | sussudio | !qotd98 |
| 11:23.32 | badgers | <feerf> ok, the main think that does not work in Woody is that Woody is way too old (like museum now) |
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| 11:24.01 | R1ck | PerfDave: why not? |
| 11:24.21 | R1ck | they are only for woody? |
| 11:24.30 | PerfDave | R1ck: Because Stable is the only branch that gets security updates. |
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| 11:25.00 | R1ck | PerfDave: how does a security update differ from a regular package update? |
| 11:25.47 | PerfDave | R1ck: It doesn't change the package version, and it's produced with the full might of the Debian Security Team instead of relying on the package maintainer. |
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| 11:26.19 | PerfDave | R1ck: The stable branch gets security fixes backported to the version of the package in stable, unstable gets new versions of packages which may (or may not) fix the hole, testing gets nada. |
| 11:26.22 | R1ck | PerfDave: i see. fancy |
| 11:26.54 | PerfDave | You can be pretty damn sure that a security fix in stable isn't going to break anything, whereas installing a new version of software on your box may cause problems with API incompatiabilities etc. |
| 11:27.09 | R1ck | ok, so, lemme get this clear tho.. woody = stable, sid = unstable, and sarge is testing? |
| 11:27.29 | resiak | !win R1ck |
| 11:27.31 | badgers | Congratulations, R1ck! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 11:27.39 | PerfDave | R1ck: Currently, yes. Soon (FSVO "soon"), Sarge will be released and become stable, then Etch will be the new testing. Sid is always unstable. |
| 11:27.42 | jm_ | you can have one oranjeboom now ;) |
| 11:27.56 | R1ck | yuck ;) |
| 11:28.39 | R1ck | PerfDave: so I can just wait and sarge will get security updates, eventually? :) |
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| 11:28.46 | R1ck | when it becomes stable |
| 11:29.24 | PerfDave | R1ck: "eventually". It may not be for months. |
| 11:29.56 | R1ck | yeah.. that wouldnt surprise me |
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| 11:30.33 | PerfDave | R1ck: And until then, your server is running naked, pretty much. The only way security holes in Testing get fixed is by packages trickling through from Unstable, which takes a minimum of two weeks. |
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| 11:32.01 | R1ck | are people actually still installing woody on new machines? |
| 11:32.02 | PerfDave | R1ck: Sarge will get security updates, and release ~30 days later, it is expected. Though there are a number of things blocking this. |
| 11:32.12 | PerfDave | R1ck: All my servers run Woody. |
| 11:32.34 | PerfDave | R1ck: Though I will be installing Sarge on my quad-Opteron computer box when it arrives, so we can make use of all 12GB of RAM. |
| 11:32.35 | R1ck | does one of them happen to have a AMI MegaRAID? :) |
| 11:32.40 | stew | R1ck: if you have an internet facing server woody is the only sane option |
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| 11:33.01 | R1ck | ok so I am seriously thinking of reinstalling the thing, putting woody on it |
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| 11:33.16 | tuxy17 | hi. How to know the codec of a VIDEO file ? |
| 11:33.18 | R1ck | but the thing that kept me from doing it, is it has a megaraid card |
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| 11:33.39 | R1ck | Sarge was kind of the only distro that came out of the box with a driver for it |
| 11:33.40 | PerfDave | R1ck: There are alternative installers for Woody with support for RAID etc., but I have no idea how well they work. |
| 11:34.05 | tuxy17 | just a tool that would say : "this video file uses xxxxx codec" |
| 11:34.11 | stew | R1ck: you can run newer 2.4 kernels on woody, but running 2.6 on woody is problematic |
| 11:34.22 | stew | R1ck: which kernel are you using right now? |
| 11:34.24 | R1ck | well.. the controller itself isnt that new |
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| 11:35.04 | stew | you could debootstrap woody |
| 11:35.19 | R1ck | what does that do? |
| 11:35.27 | R1ck | you mean.. create a chroot or something? |
| 11:35.39 | R1ck | Linux mx1 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:36.25 | R1ck | I would feel much more content running Woody on it, I think |
| 11:36.37 | R1ck | almost like a decent sysadmin ;) |
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| 11:37.45 | PerfDave | You're running a 2.6 kernel on a server? *fear* |
| 11:38.03 | R1ck | now thats silly |
| 11:38.10 | njan | PerfDave, I've been running one server off 2.6 for over a year. |
| 11:38.20 | PerfDave | njan: That's nice for you. |
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| 11:38.23 | njan | PerfDave, it's stabler/faster than 2.4 was on the same hardware :p |
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| 11:38.32 | R1ck | 2.6 has already proven to be very stable |
| 11:38.37 | PerfDave | njan: People run Sid on production servers, that doesn't mean it's a good idea. |
| 11:38.41 | PerfDave | R1ck: Not to me it hasn't. |
| 11:38.45 | Gathond | R1ck: not for me :) |
| 11:39.03 | R1ck | well for me it has :) |
| 11:39.06 | njan | PerfDave, SLES9 ships with a 2.6 kernel and Novell certainly seem to think it's stable. |
| 11:39.07 | PerfDave | Fair enough :) |
| 11:39.15 | Gathond | R1ck: actually it have proved about as stable as a win 3.1 machine |
| 11:39.18 | R1ck | I'm curious tho how it was unstable for you? |
| 11:39.21 | PerfDave | njan: Why the fuck do I care what Novell think? |
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| 11:39.34 | PerfDave | R1ck: Random crashes, and slower performance. It's neat for desktops, because I don't care about random crashes. |
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| 11:39.38 | Skiver | hello |
| 11:39.46 | njan | PerfDave, I don't know, I thought perhaps you were actually interested in discussing this. Since obviously you're not, I'll stop wasting the rest of the channel alone and leave you to your FUD. |
| 11:39.53 | R1ck | PerfDave: that seriously sounds like a fault in your hardware |
| 11:40.01 | njan | s/stop wasting the rest of the channel alone/stop wasting the channel's time, leave you alone/ |
| 11:40.02 | R1ck | my desktop 2.6 has never locked up |
| 11:40.15 | PerfDave | njan: There's no FUD. I've tested 2.6 kernels on my server hardware, and found them to be less stable and slower than 2.4. YMMV. |
| 11:40.15 | Skiver | what are these mdf/mds files ? how can i burn these image files into CD S? |
| 11:40.16 | Gathond | R1ck: tha machine crashed twice in 48 hours, and it performed badly when it actually did run |
| 11:40.24 | sussudio | PerfDave: you know what i find ironic? a significant part of bittorrent warezing bandwith is coming in and going out from Novell Inc. HQ. terabytes of it. |
| 11:40.44 | directhex|work | it would be nice if before releasing 2.6.foo, the damned kernel maintainers tested to make sure it would, y'know, compile. nfs borkage leading to 2.6.8.1, and the utterly broken dvb stuff in 2.6.10 |
| 11:40.55 | PerfDave | @kernel of instability |
| 11:40.57 | directhex|work | Skiver, Alcohol 120% images. you need windows, and alcohol 120% |
| 11:41.07 | sussudio | !kernel of instability |
| 11:41.07 | badgers | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
| 11:41.11 | PerfDave | sussudio: Don't tell the RIAA, they'll have a field day with the Linux == 3v1l p1r4t35 thing |
| 11:41.28 | Skiver | directhex|work : no way in debian ? |
| 11:41.44 | R1ck | damn |
| 11:41.45 | R1ck | lunch |
| 11:41.52 | R1ck | why *now*! |
| 11:42.00 | directhex|work | Skiver, no. windows, and alcohol 120%. |
| 11:42.09 | PerfDave | directhex|work: What is Alcohol 120%? |
| 11:42.24 | directhex|work | PerfDave, windows disc cloning tool |
| 11:42.29 | directhex|work | PerfDave, i.e. cd, dvd |
| 11:42.55 | directhex|work | PerfDave, currently considered the best of its class, if you need to spin off copies of copy protected data cds like games |
| 11:43.07 | stew | sussudio: do ravenbird and dpkg sync factoids both ways or just one way? |
| 11:43.46 | sussudio | stew: no |
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| 11:43.51 | stew | sussudio: neither way? |
| 11:43.58 | sussudio | stew: no. |
| 11:44.01 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Fair enough. No Linux equivalent at all? |
| 11:44.46 | directhex|work | PerfDave, there si no high-accuracy cd cloning or burning under windows. the only people who have any insight into how to do it are transgaming, and they wouldn't tell |
| 11:44.51 | directhex|work | *under linux |
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| 11:45.08 | Skiver | directhex|work : thank you |
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| 11:45.32 | directhex|work | Skiver, alcohol's good software. www.alcohol-soft.com |
| 11:45.33 | stew | sussudio: they were synced manually at one point and now they diverge? now they are synced manually from time to time? |
| 11:45.42 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Hmm, might look into this alcohol thing to clone our MS Office CD at work. |
| 11:45.51 | sussudio | stew: still no. |
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| 11:46.29 | simonrvn | @kernel of instability is <reply>Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
| 11:46.30 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 11:46.49 | directhex|work | PerfDave, there's a free trial. it's surpassed Blindwrite and CloneCD as the warez kiddies' system of choice, thoguh CDRWIN lives on like some scary zombie |
| 11:47.17 | Skiver | directhex|work : yea, thanks man. i guess linux is just not so nice for desktop user |
| 11:47.17 | simonrvn | jethro: dondelelcaro wanted to havd it so the bots could dcc info back and forth |
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| 11:47.30 | directhex|work | Skiver, fine for desktops, not so hot for warezing windows games. |
| 11:47.32 | simonrvn | jethro: i think that's a super idea :) |
| 11:47.34 | PerfDave | Skiver: Debian's great for the desktop user, if they're not w4r3z kiddies ;) |
| 11:47.35 | jethro | simonrvn: does it mean I have to do it that way? :) |
| 11:47.44 | jethro | simonrvn: dcc is teh suck :/ |
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| 11:48.15 | simonrvn | jethro: no, just telling you what was planned. dunno if it's been implemented |
| 11:48.42 | jethro | simonrvn: I dunno, and cvs blootbot seem to have no longer working features :/ |
| 11:48.50 | stew | hmm, i just realized i'm been writing to sussudio when instead of simonrvn, whups whatever |
| 11:48.58 | jethro | simonrvn: hence why I implemented the <url></url> stuff on 1.2.0 |
| 11:49.04 | macnetic | bye |
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| 11:49.38 | simonrvn | jethro: need to do a checkout... |
| 11:49.43 | simonrvn | i* |
| 11:49.45 | jethro | simonrvn: of course I did! |
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| 11:50.58 | stew | simonrvn: i started on a web interface to the blootbot databases; http://dpkg.vireo.org i need to clean it up and post it somewhere |
| 11:51.18 | simonrvn | i also need to find out how to do a push with cvs =) |
| 11:51.53 | simonrvn | stew: cool :) |
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| 11:52.23 | Skiver | directhex|work,PerfDave : i got these files from my bro in law, said it's a vcd. i can't afford windows =] |
| 11:52.52 | directhex|work | Skiver, why on god's green earth would he use alcohol 120% for a VCD? |
| 11:53.10 | simonrvn | stew: blootbot's been orphaned in debian. i think it's time someone adopted it ;) |
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| 11:53.48 | stew | simonrvn: yeah, its got patched rc bugs, doen't it? |
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| 11:54.00 | simonrvn | dunno |
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| 11:54.17 | stew | @why is blootbot not in sarge |
| 11:54.18 | ravenbird | stew: what are you talking about? |
| 11:54.26 | stew | @why is blootbot not in testing |
| 11:54.28 | ravenbird | stew: de quoi tu parles? |
| 11:54.31 | jcb | how can i disable oom killer in kernel 2.6? |
| 11:54.58 | sussudio | !why is blootbot not in testing |
| 11:54.59 | badgers | blootbot is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=blootbot |
| 11:55.08 | Skiver | directhex|work : i'm gonna mail him and ask |
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| 11:55.44 | directhex|work | Skiver, get him to send a CDRWIN image or ISO. you can convert CDRWIN to ISO with bchunk. |
| 11:56.19 | simonrvn | !literal cmd: why is foo not in testing (.*?) |
| 11:56.20 | badgers | okay, simonrvn |
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| 11:56.34 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 11:56.36 | directhex|work | heh |
| 11:56.45 | sussudio | :-| |
| 11:56.49 | stew | yeah looks like blootbot has an rc bug and a patch has been available since nov, but nobody has uploaded |
| 11:56.54 | simonrvn | !why is blootbot not in testing |
| 11:56.55 | badgers | blootbot is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=blootbot |
| 11:57.05 | PerfDave | !literal cmd: why \is foo not intesting (.*?) |
| 11:57.07 | sussudio | !listkeys testing |
| 11:57.24 | sussudio | literal CMD: why is (.*?) not in testing |
| 11:57.28 | sussudio | darn. |
| 11:57.35 | sussudio | !literal CMD: why is (.*?) not in testing |
| 11:57.35 | badgers | "CMD: why is (.*?) not in testing" is "($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1" |
| 11:57.44 | simonrvn | aah :) |
| 11:57.48 | jethro | simonrvn: a push? you mean a commit? |
| 11:57.51 | stew | !literal cmd: why |
| 11:57.53 | simonrvn | yes |
| 11:57.57 | jethro | cvs commit |
| 11:58.03 | jethro | simonrvn: you need to be allowed tho :) |
| 11:58.08 | simonrvn | i am |
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| 11:58.15 | sussudio | !x en es badger |
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| 11:58.18 | jethro | then just cvs commit and it should work |
| 11:58.18 | badgers | tejón |
| 11:59.10 | simonrvn | @why is $1 not in testing is <reply> $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 11:59.10 | ravenbird | simonrvn: de quoi tu parles? |
| 11:59.31 | jethro | who taught ravenbird some french? |
| 11:59.40 | simonrvn | i did |
| 11:59.43 | sussudio | @CMD: why is $1 not in testing is <reply> $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 11:59.48 | jethro | simonrvn: :) |
| 11:59.56 | sussudio | !hump ravenbird |
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| 12:00.38 | simonrvn | ravenbird why is $1 not in testing is <reply> $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 12:00.38 | ravenbird | simonrvn: what are you talking about? |
| 12:00.49 | simonrvn | you're braindead, bot |
| 12:01.03 | kromagg | obviously |
| 12:01.27 | sussudio | @why is badgers not in testing |
| 12:01.28 | ravenbird | sussudio: I think you lost me on that one |
| 12:01.29 | incorrect | im using debmirror, i guess i only need to run it again when 3.0-r5 or something comes out? |
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| 12:02.12 | jethro | jesus fucking crist |
| 12:02.18 | simonrvn | it's the double is |
| 12:02.20 | jethro | how owns the cvs repo for blootbot? |
| 12:02.31 | simonrvn | timriker iirc |
| 12:02.45 | jethro | they leak some files in a nasty manner |
| 12:02.50 | sussudio | :-| |
| 12:02.51 | jethro | hope it's done on purpose |
| 12:02.57 | resiak | jethro: blootbot.sf.net ? |
| 12:03.02 | jethro | indeed |
| 12:04.03 | jethro | is the www/ leaked on purpose ? |
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| 12:06.12 | djinnii | \quit |
| 12:06.33 | sussudio | @why is simonrvn not in testing |
| 12:06.36 | ravenbird | simonrvn is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=simonrvn |
| 12:06.38 | sussudio | !win me |
| 12:06.39 | badgers | Congratulations, sussudio! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 12:06.45 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 12:06.58 | simonrvn | what did you do? |
| 12:06.58 | resiak | jethro: Where is this leak of which you speak? |
| 12:07.11 | sussudio | simonrvn: why /is/ $1 not in testing is <reply> $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 12:07.16 | simonrvn | nice |
| 12:07.27 | jethro | resiak: www/.htaccess is an example |
| 12:07.33 | resiak | jethro: www where? |
| 12:07.37 | jethro | wwww/htdocs |
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| 12:07.47 | jethro | resiak: checkout blootbot -P . |
| 12:07.48 | simonrvn | @win sussudio |
| 12:07.49 | ravenbird | Congratulations, sussudio! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 12:08.24 | jethro | resiak: see my /msg, do the same, and look at www/htdocs/ |
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| 12:10.25 | jethro | resiak: got it? |
| 12:10.33 | resiak | jethro: Yeah, I see your point. |
| 12:10.40 | jethro | resiak: you think it's harmless? |
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| 12:11.14 | resiak | jethro: I have NFI :) |
| 12:11.20 | jethro | !nfi |
| 12:11.21 | badgers | [nfi] No Fucking Idea |
| 12:11.23 | jethro | :) |
| 12:11.50 | jethro | shall I report it then? |
| 12:12.08 | resiak | jethro: Yeah, go for it. I'm trying to figure out what it does. |
| 12:12.22 | jethro | resiak: look at the .inc :) |
| 12:12.41 | jethro | you have db passwords and such, that's what I find worrying |
| 12:12.49 | resiak | jethro: Yes, I've seen it now. |
| 12:12.54 | johnnyST | Hi how do I create patches with diff that includes even new files in the patch? |
| 12:13.01 | jethro | johnnyST: man patch |
| 12:13.05 | jethro | johnnyST: you want N |
| 12:13.18 | johnnyST | jethro, it did not work with N |
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| 12:13.40 | Noid | if you have two keyboard layouts for X, toggled by a key, how can you make a xmodmap file only for one of them? |
| 12:13.41 | jethro | johnnyST: you need to read more then |
| 12:13.42 | johnnyST | jethro, I tried this; diff -Naur |
| 12:13.48 | resiak | jethro: You're absolutely right, it's most of their sf page :/ |
| 12:13.55 | jethro | !win me |
| 12:13.56 | badgers | Congratulations, jethro! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 12:14.02 | Pumpkin_Pie | how can I write a new file with content in one line? like ">blah.txt This is a file" ? |
| 12:14.04 | jethro | resiak: I always sense such problems :) |
| 12:14.04 | possie | is it as root possible to takeover a tty? i'm not talking about screen, but i want to take over the tty1, cause there is someoutput that i would like to view |
| 12:14.23 | jethro | resiak: take it as the black eye above my shoulder, willinly or not, I sense such problems :) |
| 12:14.37 | resiak | possie: Google for ttysnoop. |
| 12:14.42 | resiak | jethro: Heh. |
| 12:14.43 | ricky_clarkson | ¿dónde es el dpkg? |
| 12:14.50 | stew | Pumpkin_Pie: echo "this is a file" > blah.txt |
| 12:14.52 | ricky_clarkson | está |
| 12:14.56 | jethro | resiak: I ll report it then |
| 12:15.03 | jethro | dms@ and who's the other? |
| 12:15.04 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: ¡IN MY CLOSET! |
| 12:15.08 | possie | resiak: thanks |
| 12:15.10 | jethro | heya ricky_clarkson |
| 12:15.12 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: I see. |
| 12:15.19 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Hello Mr. Tull. |
| 12:15.23 | jethro | :) |
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| 12:15.51 | ricky_clarkson | ph34r my españololollllolol!!!1111oneoneoneuno |
| 12:16.02 | stew | i do fear it |
| 12:16.24 | Pumpkin_Pie | ah this works better for me: > blah.txt echo 'content is last' |
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| 12:16.34 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: I wish I knew the Spanish for "eleventy" |
| 12:16.37 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: it is truly a fearsome thing. Really. d-: |
| 12:16.45 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: 110 - ciento once |
| 12:17.04 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: more like ciento diez |
| 12:17.09 | ricky_clarkson | Oops, yeah. |
| 12:17.13 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: So ciento once is 111? |
| 12:17.19 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: yep. |
| 12:17.38 | valentinos | any idea why my debian cant display corectly the gnomedesktop icons ? |
| 12:17.54 | ricky_clarkson | valentinos: apt-get install gnome-icon-theme # this used to be the answer, try it |
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| 12:18.57 | valentinos | ok thanks |
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| 12:19.40 | vwirem | Where is the right place to add iptables rules to be loaded at startup? |
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| 12:20.29 | jethro | vwirem: init.d/iptables ? |
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| 12:22.21 | grivell | vwirem: iptables-save |
| 12:22.44 | jethro | grivell: where's this iptables-save place of which you speak? |
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| 12:23.17 | grivell | jethro: It is a command :) |
| 12:23.27 | grivell | vwirem: Or: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 12:23.40 | jethro | grivell: it's not answering the question asked |
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| 12:24.01 | cef | or just add your own script that runs before ifupdown in /etc/rcS.d (usually before S39) |
| 12:24.01 | vwirem | there exists no /etc/init.d/iptables file in my system. |
| 12:24.07 | jethro | vwirem: create it |
| 12:24.08 | grivell | But it is pointing him/her in right direction. |
| 12:24.13 | thnee | what is the diference between apache2 and apache2-common and apache2-mpm-prefork ? |
| 12:24.16 | jethro | grivell: not really |
| 12:24.35 | grivell | The Debian readme should have it in there. |
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| 12:24.58 | cef | thnee: apache2-common is files common to both |
| 12:25.27 | thnee | common to both? |
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| 12:25.57 | cef | thnee: apache2-mpm-preform is one of the many models for process handling. it determines how each process and/or thread starts.. there is at least one other |
| 12:26.05 | cef | erm, prefork |
| 12:26.16 | R1ck | yay, woody recognizes the megaraid |
| 12:27.26 | cef | thnee: and apache2 is now just a virtual 'provides' that either mpm can provide, eg: apps reference it |
| 12:27.26 | thnee | hmh |
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| 12:27.40 | cef | actually, there is 3 types or mpm's |
| 12:27.52 | thnee | even 4 |
| 12:28.17 | cef | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.25 | thnee | and threadpool |
| 12:28.42 | thnee | umm can i get a better description of each package than what is said in apt-cache search |
| 12:28.56 | thnee | caus i wanna do this right for once |
| 12:28.56 | cef | not sure thradpool is in debian |
| 12:29.01 | thnee | it is |
| 12:29.02 | cef | threadpool even |
| 12:29.03 | stew | thnee: apt-cache show pkgname |
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| 12:29.04 | Shadur | apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 12:29.58 | cef | thnee: ahh yes it does.. just the apache2 pachage doesn't depend on it |
| 12:30.16 | cef | threadpool afaik is the one that causes the most problems too |
| 12:30.26 | thnee | ah yes these depends |
| 12:30.28 | thnee | i get so sick of them |
| 12:30.53 | thnee | installing one thing, getting 4 more, removing mysql, and gone is php4-mysql, phpmyadmin and alot more |
| 12:31.04 | thnee | i dont get it |
| 12:31.11 | thnee | it messes around alot when installing |
| 12:31.28 | cef | well if you installed threadpool, I'm not surprised.. threadpool is notorious |
| 12:31.34 | thnee | i havent |
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| 12:32.11 | thnee | cant i turn that off? so packages doesnt touch other packages |
| 12:32.17 | cef | to use threadpool, all your libraries (eg: the apache php libs say) have to be completely thread safe.. and many libs for apache aren't |
| 12:32.28 | thnee | i wont use threadpool |
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| 12:32.53 | cef | well you should see what's causing the conflict |
| 12:33.17 | cef | something that you're installing conflicts with something you have installed |
| 12:33.35 | thnee | i removed mysql and it remove phpmyadmin |
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| 12:34.06 | Gathond | thnee: probably because phpmyadmin is worth nothing without the mysql package |
| 12:34.08 | cef | well, phpmyadmin uses mysql, and therefore depends on it |
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| 12:35.34 | thnee | umm why does apt-cache show display the whole info twice |
| 12:35.52 | cef | cos you have a version installed that is older than one in the online archive |
| 12:36.04 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 12:36.05 | R1ck | Congratulations, you have successfully installed Debian! |
| 12:36.05 | thnee | i just removed apache2 |
| 12:36.06 | R1ck | yay |
| 12:36.11 | cef | it's showing the detail for both the installed version, and the one out of the archive |
| 12:36.17 | CarlosAlex | I have a problem using HP-DeskJet_692C-hpijs.ppd in CUPS, the printer is show, but no output print. May I get some help here?? |
| 12:36.18 | elephantman | What is the max bits for a ssh key ? |
| 12:36.24 | thnee | cef: i have none installed |
| 12:36.27 | elephantman | Is 1024 enough ? |
| 12:36.44 | elephantman | I mean when paranoïac |
| 12:37.16 | cef | elephantman: you can make it bigger.. I think 8192 is possible.. 2048 is recommended afaik |
| 12:37.23 | ricky_clarkson | elephantman: The truly paranoiac administrator believes that the FBI has already cracked SSH, and therefore doesn't actually store data on computers at all. |
| 12:37.31 | thnee | this is what im talking about, debian is strange, dpkg -l shows packages, but i cant remove them, and now you say it shows twice because i have one installed, which i havent, i have just remove --purge'd everything with apaceh2 |
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| 12:37.45 | Gathond | ricky_clarkson: right, we use stone tablets :) |
| 12:37.46 | ricky_clarkson | thnee: You just said apt-cache show, not dpkg -l |
| 12:38.09 | thnee | i know |
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| 12:38.31 | streuner2 | nice 'user-limit' reached ... :-) |
| 12:39.15 | Chameleon22 | is there a way to add menu items to gnome menu? |
| 12:39.15 | cef | thnee: the other possibility is that you have multiple archives in your sources (for apt-cache show) |
| 12:39.30 | thnee | aha that might be it |
| 12:39.39 | cef | thnee: if you have say, woody and sarge sources, then you get both sets of packages listed |
| 12:40.05 | streuner2 | What happend here, because i got 'user limited reached for #debian'? |
| 12:40.10 | thnee | oh no i dont think so, only sarge sources but from multiple servers |
| 12:40.11 | cef | same thing sometimes iwth stuff from backports and woody |
| 12:40.18 | elephantman | ricky_clarkson: true - but FBI would loose his time monitoring my datas...well except if they are intrested in terrorist activities |
| 12:40.21 | ricky_clarkson | streuner2: debhelper is not present. |
| 12:40.22 | Skiver | what's the package i need in order for sound juicer to rip n encode to mp3 ? |
| 12:40.24 | cef | then the servers are possibly out of sync |
| 12:40.35 | jethro | simonrvn: apologies, cvs does actually work, just "ported" my earlier patch, mind to submit it if you have write access? |
| 12:40.39 | ricky_clarkson | streuner2: debhelper controls #debian's user limit, so that we are protected from join floods. |
| 12:40.44 | elephantman | cef: thanx a lot - thats a clear answer....rare |
| 12:40.44 | ricky_clarkson | streuner2: is it still a problem now? |
| 12:40.50 | directhex|work | oh. debhelper's gone. medic! |
| 12:42.58 | streuner2 | ricky_clarson: one sec. |
| 12:42.58 | simonrvn | jethro: sure |
| 12:42.58 | ricky_clarkson | apt: who owns debhelper |
| 12:43.13 | ian2 | ricky_clarkson: I do I do |
| 12:43.13 | simonrvn | directhex|work: you called? :P |
| 12:43.13 | cef | elephantman: heh, welcome |
| 12:43.13 | ricky_clarkson | ian2: Really? |
| 12:43.13 | jethro | simonrvn: email? |
| 12:43.13 | ricky_clarkson | ravenbird: who owns debhelper |
| 12:43.13 | streuner2 | ricky_clarson: the same |
| 12:43.14 | ravenbird | bugger all, i dunno, ricky_clarkson |
| 12:43.14 | ian2 | ricky_clarkson: not a chance. |
| 12:43.14 | directhex|work | simonrvn, 15 doses of chanel limit, stat! |
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| 12:43.14 | ricky_clarkson | ~ops debhelper is not present, please replace or adjust the channel user limit |
| 12:43.15 | apt | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 12:43.15 | streuner2 | ricky_clarkson: the same |
| 12:43.15 | ricky_clarkson | So apt is not the bot. |
| 12:43.15 | bob2 | you could just say something, y'know |
| 12:43.15 | Schlafschwein | ill make some space :P |
| 12:43.15 | Schlafschwein | byebye |
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| 12:43.15 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: didn't know you were there. |
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| 12:43.16 | js_ | what is the safest way to share resources such as file systems with other computers? |
| 12:43.18 | ian2 | js_: nfs, shfs.. |
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| 12:43.34 | ricky_clarkson | ~forget ops debhelper |
| 12:43.34 | apt | i forgot ops debhelper, ricky_clarkson |
| 12:43.42 | ricky_clarkson | apt: ur teh suck |
| 12:43.46 | sussudio | bob2: looks like all of ucr.edu buggered off |
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| 12:43.55 | js_ | ian2: ah, i'll check out shfs |
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| 12:44.03 | streuner2 | oh |
| 12:44.04 | ricky_clarkson | js_: http |
| 12:44.05 | sussudio | ah. |
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| 12:44.10 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: what happened |
| 12:44.10 | Borgon | Is anyone here familiar with xen? i know there is a #xen channel but no one is alive. |
| 12:44.24 | streuner2 | dondelelcaro: debhelper is gone, so i got 'user limit reached'... |
| 12:44.28 | sussudio | Borgon: oh piss off |
| 12:44.35 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: if debhelper gets confused by the high +l, feel free to knock it down |
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| 12:45.04 | Borgon | sussudio, know something? |
| 12:45.10 | ricky_clarkson | Borgon: unlikely. |
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| 12:45.23 | sussudio | Borgon: this is the third day you've come in here with this shit and you've been told how to ask. |
| 12:45.30 | johnnyST | What is the debian way to create a patch? I tried "diff -Naur " but then I get this when I try to compile: dpkg-source: error: expected ^--- in line 1 of diff |
| 12:45.52 | ricky_clarkson | johnnyST: diff creates a patch, patch applies the patch. |
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| 12:46.07 | hiddenx | helou |
| 12:46.07 | Stevie-O | 250 Stevie-O |
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| 12:46.16 | bob2 | johnnyST: let dpkg-source create it |
| 12:46.16 | streuner___ | ricky_clarkson: nice work, thanks. |
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| 12:46.18 | Borgon | Can a raided lvm hds boot lvm devices at before the pc starts? |
| 12:46.23 | simonrvn | !literal cmd: fgi (.*?) |
| 12:46.27 | berzerka | hello everyone |
| 12:46.32 | johnnyST | bob2: ok |
| 12:46.48 | drasko | how can I edit some $variable... Say I want to remove /usr/local from the $PATH? |
| 12:46.51 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: /msg dpkg where the fuck are you, you stupid bot? |
| 12:46.51 | hiddenx | can someone tell me what to do when my isp locked the nat possibility? |
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| 12:46.58 | takatumi | Borgon: have you actually tried fucking googling it? |
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| 12:47.48 | stew | !wb |
| 12:47.48 | badgers | thanks, stew. It's good to be back. |
| 12:47.49 | dpkg | thanks, stew. It's good to be back. |
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| 12:48.08 | Borgon | takatumi, Yes i cant find it... I am trying to install xen and it says add root=/dev/mapper/lv-vg which is my lvm device to /boot/grub/menu.st ... When i select the version on startup... I get File not found.. |
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| 12:48.51 | Borgon | I dont know why its not saying the /dev/mapper/lv-vg is not found |
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| 12:49.10 | bob2 | that sounds very xen-specific |
| 12:49.13 | bob2 | try asking on the xen list |
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| 12:49.49 | takatumi | Borgon: tried the mailing lists here? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=xen-devel |
| 12:50.18 | hiddenx | !!!can someone tell me what to do when my isp locked the nat possibility?!!! |
| 12:50.24 | bob2 | stop it |
| 12:50.25 | bob2 | or leave |
| 12:50.32 | jethro | hiddenx: choose another ISP |
| 12:50.35 | bob2 | your question a) makes no sense, and b) is annoying |
| 12:50.39 | hiddenx | thanks a LOT! |
| 12:50.52 | bob2 | then don't be so obnoxious |
| 12:50.54 | jethro | hiddenx: there is no need for !!! boundaries when you speak |
| 12:50.55 | bob2 | and explain your actual problem |
| 12:50.55 | ricky_clarkson | hiddenx: Your ISP cannot 'lock the nat possibility'. Only your stupidity can. |
| 12:50.59 | takatumi | bob2: oh it actually doesn't make sense eh? thought it was just me :) |
| 12:51.12 | berzerka | lol |
| 12:51.15 | CarlosAlex | I have a problem using HP-DeskJet_692C-hpijs.ppd in CUPS, the printer is show, but no output print. May I get some help here?? |
| 12:51.24 | Borgon | bob2, yeah but my question is ... can a lvm device be selected at bootup? because when i was doing raid1 i had trouble installing to a lv device because the kernel creates them after bootup |
| 12:51.39 | sussudio | CarlosAlex: no, since you're not running debian. |
| 12:51.49 | CarlosAlex | Im |
| 12:51.50 | takatumi | CarlosAlex: it's been a week you have been trying to print, you sure it's not the printer? |
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| 12:51.56 | bob2 | Borgon: ask on the xen list. |
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| 12:51.57 | hiddenx | jethro: is there some transparent proxy for debian? |
| 12:52.01 | CarlosAlex | matrix:/usr/share/cups/model# uname -a |
| 12:52.01 | CarlosAlex | Linux matrix 2.4.27-speakup #1 Thu Aug 19 21:46:14 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:52.08 | jethro | hiddenx: yes |
| 12:52.19 | takatumi | CarlosAlex: that doesn't say much. |
| 12:52.27 | sussudio | takatumi: his /whois does |
| 12:52.28 | jethro | hiddenx: netfilter allows you to play anykind of black magic at the IP / MAC layer |
| 12:52.45 | takatumi | sussudio: ah. |
| 12:52.51 | bob2 | CarlosAlex: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" print out? |
| 12:52.53 | CarlosAlex | May I get help or not ? |
| 12:53.00 | jethro | CarlosAlex: /j #cups |
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| 12:53.38 | drasko | how can I edit some $variable... Say I want to remove /usr/local from the $PATH? |
| 12:53.46 | CarlosAlex | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 12:53.52 | ian2 | drasko: PATH="blah" |
| 12:53.56 | johnnyST | how do I get the source only apt-get --only-source name-of-packge? |
| 12:53.58 | bob2 | drasko: export PATH=/blah |
| 12:54.09 | bob2 | drasko: if you use a sufficiently good shell (ie zsh) "vared PATH" |
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| 12:54.15 | ricky_clarkson | johnnyST: apt-get source name-of-package |
| 12:54.20 | johnnyST | ok |
| 12:54.20 | jethro | omg, vared? |
| 12:54.25 | bob2 | jah. |
| 12:54.33 | hiddenx | jethro: tanx for ur help |
| 12:54.35 | ricky_clarkson | Was ist das? |
| 12:54.37 | daft | how can I change the default console editor |
| 12:54.40 | jethro | hiddenx: no pb |
| 12:54.51 | ricky_clarkson | daft: update-alternatives --configure sensible-editor |
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| 12:55.06 | bob2 | daft: update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 12:55.11 | drasko | bob2, I want to retain the path, with exeception of removed part, not change the wholw path... |
| 12:55.20 | jethro | heh never heard of this vared stuff, but it looks promising :) |
| 12:55.25 | CarlosAlex | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 12:55.33 | CarlosAlex | What to do to use printer ??? |
| 12:55.34 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: Damn ;) |
| 12:55.35 | bob2 | drasko: then use zsh or edit it manually |
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| 12:56.21 | Rawplayer | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6739462231#ebayphotohosting |
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| 12:59.13 | simonrvn | bob2: that's a neat 'trick' |
| 12:59.17 | bob2 | hehe |
| 12:59.33 | Halahad | where can i get an xorg deb package? |
| 12:59.36 | simonrvn | does it edit the file it's present in? |
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| 12:59.55 | bob2 | no |
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| 13:00.00 | bob2 | just the in-memory value |
| 13:00.04 | bob2 | Halahad: /topic |
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| 13:00.05 | simonrvn | no. just for that shell |
| 13:00.09 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 13:00.33 | SlayerXP | !topicsmite Halahad |
| 13:00.35 | bob2 | yeah |
| 13:00.47 | SlayerXP | oh |
| 13:00.54 | Halahad | ... |
| 13:00.55 | SlayerXP | Halahad: READ THE FUCKING TOPIC. |
| 13:00.56 | sussudio | !test |
| 13:00.57 | SlayerXP | hth |
| 13:01.04 | sussudio | . |
| 13:01.10 | bob2 | good work |
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| 13:01.21 | bob2 | you totally thought him to not ask questions |
| 13:01.23 | rjgrel | lol |
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| 13:02.12 | digerati | clear |
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| 13:02.17 | topspin | Hello all |
| 13:02.28 | gannimo | hi there |
| 13:02.40 | takatumi | probably the ubuntu xorg debs cluebat should be added to that factoid. |
| 13:03.04 | js_ | what would you recommend most over shfs and FUSE-sshfs? |
| 13:03.08 | topspin | hey, has anyone enountered dns resolution issues when doing a sarge net install? |
| 13:03.15 | simonrvn | remote closed the connection, from a uni? wth |
| 13:03.22 | takatumi | topspin: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:03.30 | topspin | It looks good |
| 13:03.40 | topspin | has the values I would expect in it. |
| 13:03.46 | sussudio | dpkg: test |
| 13:03.54 | bob2 | topspin: ping your nameservers? |
| 13:04.00 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good program which monitor the load, diskspace and stuff on the server and send out alert emails ? |
| 13:04.11 | Halahad | when can i get an unofficial xorg debs? dpkg doesn't answer my question. |
| 13:04.12 | SlayerXP | xero: nagios |
| 13:04.19 | topspin | I can ping them from another server on the same net... the net image does not include ping... |
| 13:04.24 | bob2 | xerophyte: do you really run a hosting company? |
| 13:04.32 | zeeble | heh. |
| 13:04.43 | johnnyST | I have the patch fixed now how do I start the build process? |
| 13:04.47 | takatumi | xerophyte: looked at logcheck? |
| 13:04.54 | CarlosAlex | someone free to help me ? |
| 13:05.15 | CarlosAlex | I really would love to use my printer in debian |
| 13:05.16 | jethro | !cluebat CarlosAlex |
| 13:05.21 | CarlosAlex | !cluebat |
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| 13:05.26 | bob2 | stop it |
| 13:05.27 | xerophyte | bob2 ??? |
| 13:05.28 | bob2 | jesus christ |
| 13:05.28 | abrocadabro | Hi, how do I configure exim to send emails to external domains, e.g hotmail? |
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| 13:05.29 | SlayerXP | CarlosAlex: okay, you have our permission to do so. |
| 13:05.30 | zeeble | heh. |
| 13:05.36 | abrocadabro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.48 | bob2 | abrocadabro: exim 4 or 3? |
| 13:05.50 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: Sarge or Woody? |
| 13:05.53 | abrocadabro | 4 |
| 13:05.56 | abrocadabro | Sarge |
| 13:05.56 | bob2 | abrocadabro: hotmail will refuse mail from you |
| 13:06.00 | xerophyte | bob2 i know nagios,bigbother does it but just wanna if there any others programs |
| 13:06.01 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:06.02 | bob2 | unless you have a reputable IP |
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| 13:06.14 | bob2 | abrocadabro: jus relay through ANU's mailhub |
| 13:06.21 | fwe | CarlosAlex: cups |
| 13:06.23 | CarlosAlex | How to use the printer if its not working on debian. But works good in slack |
| 13:06.26 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: You will need to route through your ISP's mailservers if you're on a dialup RBL. |
| 13:06.26 | jethro | who'd want to write to a hotmail account |
| 13:06.33 | abrocadabro | I have a public IP from the Australia National University |
| 13:06.36 | CarlosAlex | Cups is installed and look be working |
| 13:06.38 | bob2 | CarlosAlex: asking over and over won't help |
| 13:06.42 | bob2 | abrocadabro: yes, relay through our mailserver |
| 13:06.45 | sussudio | bob2: i think dpkg kicked the bucket again |
| 13:06.51 | jethro | CarlosAlex: go back to slack |
| 13:06.57 | CarlosAlex | I wondering about it |
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| 13:06.59 | bob2 | stop being such dicks |
| 13:07.00 | bob2 | jesus |
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| 13:07.18 | SlayerXP | CarlosAlex: install cups and the cups bsd client packages |
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| 13:07.29 | Mr_hawkins | hi again |
| 13:07.31 | infodroid | which debian package installs the debian grid supercomputer? i want to contribute my spare cpu cycles |
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| 13:07.39 | Dubster23 | join #8c |
| 13:07.52 | PerfDave | infodroid: There's a Debian grid supercomputer? |
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| 13:07.54 | sussudio | Dubster23: no |
| 13:08.01 | topspin | so no one has encountered dns issues with sarge net install? |
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| 13:08.09 | simonrvn | CarlosAlex: distros are basically the same. but where it starts to differ is how configuration is handled. you need to learn how things are done in debian. that comes with practice and knowledge. |
| 13:08.14 | abrocadabro | bob2: are you from the ANU? |
| 13:08.14 | cahoot | CarlosAlex: no useful info in /var/log/cups/error_log? |
| 13:08.26 | bob2 | yes |
| 13:08.27 | PerfDave | topspin: Did you check the release notes for the installer? The Installation Manual? #debian-boot? The debian-boot mailing list? |
| 13:08.29 | infodroid | PerfDave: who do you think runs debian? |
| 13:08.39 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Halahad. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 13:08.42 | dpkg | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 13:08.46 | sussudio | whoa |
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| 13:09.02 | topspin | I have read through the manual... did not see anything in the release notes. |
| 13:09.04 | sussudio | krhor_: fuck off |
| 13:09.06 | CarlosAlex | cahoot, only that the process is stopped with status 3 |
| 13:09.06 | abrocadabro | bob2: oh my God, how can I configure exim4 to let it go through the ANU mailserver? |
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| 13:09.18 | bob2 | krhor_: please? |
| 13:09.19 | PerfDave | infodroid: Bruce Perens, from his secret mountaintop base in the Himalayas, controlling all Debian users through hypnotising display flickers. It's why xorg isn't in Debian yet. |
| 13:09.21 | topspin | I did not realize there was a channel for debian booting, I'll check there... |
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| 13:09.33 | PerfDave | abrocadabro: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:09.39 | sussudio | bob2: he was just in here as "dubster23" |
| 13:09.45 | ecko | PerfDave: oh is that why |
| 13:09.50 | infodroid | PerfDave: there's always a good excuse with these people |
| 13:09.52 | abrocadabro | PerfDave:cool man, I'll try it now |
| 13:10.21 | PerfDave | infodroid: Yes, the X Strike Force need to port the brainwashing code into xorg without anybody noticing. |
| 13:10.29 | Mr_hawkins | i am having problems installing a local .deb file |
| 13:10.41 | Mr_hawkins | it finds it but it cant install it |
| 13:10.44 | simonrvn | @laugh PerfDave |
| 13:10.49 | sussudio | dpkg: test |
| 13:10.49 | dpkg | No, sussudio, you're not online any more. |
| 13:10.52 | bob2 | abrocadabro: Mr_hawkins you need to be a lot less vague |
| 13:11.00 | bob2 | abrocadabro: and to paste the error (the whole thing) to #flood |
| 13:11.05 | SlayerXP | sussudio: better still, join #9c and spam them with "/join #debian" |
| 13:11.08 | Mr_hawkins | well i got a game |
| 13:11.12 | sussudio | !meh |
| 13:11.12 | dpkg | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meh&f=1 |
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| 13:11.25 | bob2 | TUFKAAC: hi there |
| 13:11.28 | bob2 | gah |
| 13:11.35 | TUFKAAC | hi bob2 |
| 13:11.41 | Mr_hawkins | then when i try to install it i get the mesage dependent problem halts install or somthing |
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| 13:12.06 | bob2 | Mr_hawkins: that's useless, we can't see your screen |
| 13:12.08 | CarlosAlex | I didnt get help in google, neither in cups channel |
| 13:12.09 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: Without knowing the package you're trying to install, and the exact error you're getting, we can't help. |
| 13:12.11 | bob2 | Mr_hawkins: paste the full error to #flood |
| 13:12.14 | CarlosAlex | Thats while Im here |
| 13:12.15 | abrocadabro | bob2: are you a student or you work for the IT or whatever department? |
| 13:12.17 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: Why are you using dpkg rather than apt to install it? |
| 13:12.22 | bob2 | abrocadabro: student |
| 13:12.31 | abrocadabro | bob2: what year? |
| 13:12.36 | bob2 | abrocadabro: it seems each department has their own out-going mailservers |
| 13:12.37 | Mr_hawkins | its in swedish =) |
| 13:12.37 | infodroid | PerfDave: users getting desperate for xorg they're not reading each line of source like they usually do |
| 13:12.42 | bob2 | abrocadabro: depends how you count ;) |
| 13:12.46 | Mr_hawkins | yea i am using dpkg |
| 13:12.46 | CarlosAlex | Thats why Im here. Please, I really would to solve this printer problem, but I need help |
| 13:12.49 | simonrvn | mr. st00dent |
| 13:12.55 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: *Why* are you using dpkg rather than apt? |
| 13:12.56 | stew | Mr_hawkins: where did you get this package from? |
| 13:12.58 | bob2 | abrocadabro: you're a student? |
| 13:13.03 | simonrvn | CarlosAlex: be less vague |
| 13:13.05 | Mr_hawkins | a online site |
| 13:13.06 | CarlosAlex | Will be a kernel problem ?! |
| 13:13.08 | Mr_hawkins | its a game |
| 13:13.09 | abrocadabro | I bet you don't go to the J23 college? |
| 13:13.09 | sussudio | !vagueness |
| 13:13.10 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 13:13.13 | Mr_hawkins | scorched3d |
| 13:13.21 | bob2 | abrocadabro: nah, don't live on campus |
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| 13:13.31 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: So why are you using dpkg and not apt? |
| 13:13.35 | abrocadabro | cool, I am a student as well, |
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| 13:13.37 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: apt-get install scorched3d? |
| 13:13.43 | Mr_hawkins | =) |
| 13:13.45 | Mr_hawkins | ill try |
| 13:13.55 | PerfDave | !faq Mr_hawkins |
| 13:13.55 | dpkg | Mr_hawkins: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:14.17 | Mr_hawkins | saya |
| 13:14.25 | Mr_hawkins | says it cant find package |
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| 13:14.30 | abrocadabro | bob2: I really need some help setting up the exim4 for our proxy, could you guide me through setting up exim4? |
| 13:14.37 | R1ck | hmm.. postfix in woody is 1.1.11.. latest postfix is 2.1.. now I'm starting to doubt again about woody |
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| 13:14.55 | CarlosAlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.55 | CarlosAlex | hp692c accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00 |
| 13:15.01 | CarlosAlex | Thats ok |
| 13:15.04 | bob2 | abrocadabro: there's nothing to guide, you just need to follow the prompts. about the only thing that matters is the smarthost, and netservices will tell you what that should be. |
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| 13:15.11 | CarlosAlex | but, anyway do not print nothing |
| 13:15.28 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: Which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 13:15.35 | Mr_hawkins | 3.1 |
| 13:15.45 | PerfDave | !info scorched3d sarge |
| 13:15.46 | Mr_hawkins | dun know the rest |
| 13:15.52 | dpkg | scorched3d: (3D artillery game similar to Scorched Earth), section games, is optional. Version: 38-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 885 kB, Installed size: 2380 kB |
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| 13:16.01 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: Your apt configuration is broken. |
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| 13:16.21 | Mr_hawkins | ok how do i do then ? |
| 13:16.27 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: Fix your APT configuration. |
| 13:17.00 | Mr_hawkins | ok ?!? and i start at ? |
| 13:17.04 | stew | Mr_hawkins: have you run apt-get update? |
| 13:17.07 | R1ck | euhm |
| 13:17.11 | Mr_hawkins | no =) |
| 13:17.16 | R1ck | is there no postfix-pgsql for woody? |
| 13:17.17 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: man sources.list |
| 13:17.28 | topspin | Nadda for response in #debian-boot |
| 13:17.29 | jethro | !tell R1ck about search |
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| 13:17.46 | abrocadabro | bob2: as far as I understand I should chhose "mail send by smarthost; recievd via SMTP or fetchmail"? |
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| 13:17.57 | Mr_hawkins | no manual list for source it says |
| 13:18.05 | R1ck | jethro: duh. |
| 13:18.12 | abrocadabro | bob2:since hotmail might reject my IP 150.203.233.5? |
| 13:18.15 | J_1 | people, what is advantage use ext2 with journaling(-j option) and not real ext3 ? |
| 13:18.25 | R1ck | ofcourse i did a apt-cache search |
| 13:18.35 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: Type *exactly* what I said |
| 13:18.35 | SlayerXP | J_1: ext2 with journalling _is_ ext3 |
| 13:18.51 | jethro | R1ck: apt-cache is only *one* way of searching, look at the others, and see jfgi as well |
| 13:19.01 | Mr_hawkins | no manual for source.list |
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| 13:19.05 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: Are you sure you're running Debian? |
| 13:19.09 | Mr_hawkins | yea |
| 13:19.16 | drac | sources.list, not source.list |
| 13:19.22 | Mr_hawkins | aa ok |
| 13:19.22 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: Type *exactly* what I said |
| 13:19.26 | infodroid | jethro: i use jfgi all the time, but what the hell is it |
| 13:19.38 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: You really do need to learn to *read* what you're being told. |
| 13:19.45 | stew | Mr_hawkins: try running apt-get update ; apt-get install scorched3d |
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| 13:20.02 | jethro | !fgi infodroid lala |
| 13:20.03 | dpkg | infodroid: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=lala |
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| 13:20.36 | Vyrus001 | when i run the command "echo "GET / | telnet my.server.domain 80", the only message i get is the ending phrase "connection ended by server" or somthing, yet when i run etherial in the backround i can see the http reply.. how do i refrase this command so that i can eather echo or store the response from the telnet session ? |
| 13:20.56 | infodroid | jethro: hehe |
| 13:20.58 | jethro | Vyrus001: learn more about the http protocol , your request is not valid |
| 13:21.04 | J_1 | SlayerXP: ok |
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| 13:21.14 | bob2 | Vyrus001: that's not valid http |
| 13:21.18 | stew | Vyrus001: can you use wget for whatever you are doing? |
| 13:21.18 | bob2 | Vyrus001: use HEAD from libwww-perl |
| 13:21.21 | Vyrus001 | jethro|| it works... the request isent the questions |
| 13:21.22 | bob2 | abrocadabro: yes |
| 13:21.26 | Mr_hawkins | hmm ist there som way to get to all the required packages ? |
| 13:21.28 | Vyrus001 | question* |
| 13:21.41 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: Yes, apt-get |
| 13:21.45 | jethro | Vyrus001: you are making no sense at all, please make some efforts to be understandable |
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| 13:21.47 | directhex|work | Mr_hawkins, yes. with apt-get |
| 13:21.55 | bob2 | jethro: attitude, thanks. |
| 13:21.55 | Mr_hawkins | i have a clean net install |
| 13:22.05 | Vyrus001 | jethro|| ok sorry here leme make it more clear |
| 13:22.05 | Mr_hawkins | and i seem to lack some packs |
| 13:22.19 | directhex|work | Mr_hawkins, which is why you use apt-get |
| 13:22.24 | stew | Mr_hawkins: paste you sources.list to #flood |
| 13:22.36 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: Did you read the Installation Manual when you installed? |
| 13:22.40 | Mr_hawkins | anyone read swedich =) |
| 13:22.47 | Mr_hawkins | yea |
| 13:22.50 | Mr_hawkins | i did |
| 13:22.56 | Mr_hawkins | but i dident gett all packs |
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| 13:23.06 | directhex|work | Mr_hawkins, what the hell is a "pack" |
| 13:23.08 | jethro | bob2: attitude? |
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| 13:23.09 | ricky_clarkson | packet |
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| 13:23.15 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 13:23.16 | ricky_clarkson | package |
| 13:23.18 | PerfDave | Mr_hawkins: You don't need to get all the packages, you can use apt-get to download them from the Internet automatically. |
| 13:23.24 | directhex|work | Mr_hawkins, and can you PLEASE do as you've been asked. paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list into #flood |
| 13:23.29 | bob2 | jethro: thanks |
| 13:23.31 | ricky_clarkson | Mr_hawkins: What is missing, that you want to be there? |
| 13:23.32 | Mr_hawkins | sure |
| 13:23.33 | abrocadabro | bob2: what is the ip/subnet mask for the smart host? |
| 13:23.43 | jethro | bob2: not sure I got your point, but you're welcome |
| 13:23.44 | Vyrus001 | jethro|| i am making a bash script, i want it to telnet into http run a get and store the output in a var... sofar i have managed to pipe the echo GET / into the telnet call and this works " i tested it" evan though it is not "proper" syntax the only problem is i dont see the html when i run the command through the pipe... but if i just telnet into the server on port 80 and do a GET / i see all the html |
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| 13:23.48 | bob2 | abrocadabro: that's not anything to do with the smarthost |
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| 13:23.58 | Vyrus001 | does that make more sense ? |
| 13:23.59 | bob2 | abrocadabro: you need to find out from your college/department which smarthost you should be using |
| 13:24.13 | bob2 | Vyrus001: just use 'curl' or GET from libwww-perl. |
| 13:24.33 | stew | Vyrus001: why not use wget? |
| 13:24.36 | Vyrus001 | bob2|| i dont want to use perl for the perpouses of this script if i can help it |
| 13:24.39 | jetscreamer | p2p type downloads make up the majority of the top ten downloads on sourceforge atm. |
| 13:24.45 | jetscreamer | now that's terrible. |
| 13:24.50 | jethro | heya tabmate |
| 13:24.51 | zeeble | jetscreamer: heh. |
| 13:24.52 | bob2 | Vyrus001: GET is a command line program that happens to be written in perl |
| 13:24.54 | Vyrus001 | stew lol i didnt think of that :P |
| 13:24.58 | bob2 | (perl is on every Debian system in the world) |
| 13:24.58 | jetscreamer | tabtabtabbuddy |
| 13:25.06 | fwe | which cannel for this? I'm trying to develop software using anjuta. How do I define the characterset to be used in the terminal opened by my program? |
| 13:25.28 | PerfDave | fwe: #anjuta? |
| 13:25.48 | stew | Vyrus001: did you not think of it when i mentioned it 5 minutes ago to you? :) |
| 13:25.52 | abrocadabro | we are setting up exim4 for the college proxy right now |
| 13:26.04 | abrocadabro | bob2: we are setting up exim4 for the college proxy right now |
| 13:26.08 | bob2 | abrocadabro: ok |
| 13:26.09 | Vyrus001 | stew|| i was concentrating on what the others were saying lol sorry |
| 13:26.12 | bob2 | abrocadabro: you're in netops? |
| 13:26.13 | fwe | an ISD system |
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| 13:26.30 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: What's that || thing about? |
| 13:26.33 | jetscreamer | setting up exim4? |
| 13:26.45 | berzerka | my router (debian 3.0 2.4.26 kernel) keeps opening my dsl-connection at bootup, what is really harmful because the iptables script is not loaded yet at that point. there is no file named /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot, and i cant find the reason for it elsewhere (/etc/ppp/ip-up.d, other initscripts or the like..). any ideas? |
| 13:26.59 | Mr_hawkins | its in flood |
| 13:27.01 | Mr_hawkins | said it was in swedish =) |
| 13:27.06 | jethro | berzerka: you need init.d/iptables loaded before ppp |
| 13:27.10 | fwe | PerfDave: as usual you're right |
| 13:27.11 | PerfDave | berzerka: You've got dial-on-demand configured? |
| 13:27.15 | CAiRO | Starting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: unix dgram connect: No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/spamd line 1746 |
| 13:27.15 | CAiRO | spamd. |
| 13:27.20 | CAiRO | what does that error message mean? |
| 13:27.22 | PerfDave | fwe: It's a curse... ;) |
| 13:27.25 | CAiRO | when i try to start spamassassin? |
| 13:27.34 | berzerka | jethro: i want 'neither' to be loaded at bootup.. |
| 13:27.41 | TheTom | what package provides ogg123? |
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| 13:27.45 | PerfDave | CAiRO: It looks like it's trying to connect to a UNIX socket somewhere, which doesn't exist. |
| 13:27.48 | PerfDave | TheTom: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:27.51 | abrocadabro | bob2: no, so how should I ask to get the smarthost address? |
| 13:27.53 | berzerka | PerfDave: where is that done.. (man-page?).. |
| 13:28.00 | bob2 | abrocadabro: you need to ask them |
| 13:28.00 | TheTom | PerfDave: i searched |
| 13:28.03 | PerfDave | berzerka: No idea, sorry, I don't use PPP. |
| 13:28.03 | CAiRO | PerfDave: hmm, how do i find which one? |
| 13:28.07 | bob2 | abrocadabro: it's smtp.anu or mailhub.anu or so |
| 13:28.12 | bob2 | I wonder if I can login to DCS |
| 13:28.17 | PerfDave | TheTom: Search again ;) |
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| 13:28.44 | bob2 | I can indeedy |
| 13:29.12 | berzerka | what also seems strange, i get the message 'eth1: link up ...' when the init process has already finished. about 5-10 seconds after the login prompt is shown.. |
| 13:29.14 | TheTom | i did |
| 13:29.22 | PerfDave | CAiRO: I'm not sure, I don't use Spamassassin. Possibly it's not been shut down cleanly or something, there might be something either in /tmp or /var/run. |
| 13:29.26 | TheTom | oh |
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| 13:29.41 | CAiRO | PerfDave: ok, thanks |
| 13:29.47 | abrocadabro | bob2: does it tell you what the smart host is? for the time being, I am testing it with smtp.anu |
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| 13:31.35 | PerfDave | CAiRO: You could try googling for the error message ;) |
| 13:32.06 | CarlosAlex | How to use printer without cups? |
| 13:32.09 | bob2 | abrocadabro: anumail.anu.edu.au, it seems |
| 13:32.12 | egg|help | I need help for eggdrop... |
| 13:32.16 | egg|help | Can somebady help me? |
| 13:32.20 | Rawplayer | #eggdrop |
| 13:32.24 | jethro | egg|help: wrong channel, go somewhere else |
| 13:32.26 | SlayerXP | egg|help: /part #debian; /join #eggdrop |
| 13:32.30 | abrocadabro | bob2:I tried smtp it didn't work |
| 13:32.38 | sussudio | he's already in #eggdrop...and #gentoo |
| 13:32.41 | bob2 | well, I can't login to see |
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| 13:33.04 | bob2 | but it seems to be right |
| 13:33.09 | bob2 | it at least will take mail from me |
| 13:33.12 | bob2 | but I'm outside the uni |
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| 13:33.24 | abrocadabro | bob2: is anumail.anu the machine to relay mails? |
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| 13:33.41 | bob2 | anumail.anu.edu.au, yes, afaict |
| 13:33.49 | bob2 | at least I see people sending mail from ANU through it |
| 13:33.55 | bob2 | and it will talk to me |
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| 13:35.12 | shek | hi when I try to add a user to my system I get an error groupadd: unable to lock group file |
| 13:35.12 | shek | adduser: `/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 1006 sammy' returned error code 10. Aborting. |
| 13:35.25 | abrocadabro | bob2: thank god man, you are a champion |
| 13:35.34 | shek | and then it gives me groupdel cannot delete group and I cannot add any users |
| 13:35.46 | jethro | shek: are you running these commands as root? |
| 13:35.54 | shek | yes |
| 13:36.12 | shek | I do a su |
| 13:36.18 | PerfDave | bob2: Wow, massive redundancy in that domain name ;) |
| 13:36.33 | bob2 | heh |
| 13:36.34 | jethro | they had free a and u for the fqdn |
| 13:36.48 | bob2 | some of the network design at anu is pretty "special" |
| 13:37.02 | PerfDave | mail.n.edu.au I think would work. |
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| 13:37.11 | jethro | feel lucky there is a design bob2 :) |
| 13:37.20 | Mr_hawkins | ok that dident work verry well |
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| 13:37.47 | Mr_hawkins | that worked extreemly not good at all |
| 13:37.57 | stew | Mr_hawkins: what happened? |
| 13:38.06 | Mr_hawkins | grapix where all blured upp |
| 13:38.08 | kahuna_ | Which version of debian should I get? I'll be using a non-critical notebook. |
| 13:38.08 | Mr_hawkins | up * |
| 13:38.15 | PerfDave | kahuna_: "non-critical"? |
| 13:38.24 | PerfDave | kahuna_: Probably Sarge, if you don't mind not having security updates. |
| 13:38.36 | zeeble | kahuna_: get a sarge netinstall iso and go ahead. |
| 13:38.39 | R1ck | damnit |
| 13:38.52 | R1ck | why did I let myself install woody |
| 13:38.54 | kahuna_ | How old is the branch that has the security updates? |
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| 13:39.02 | greycat | kahuna_: /msg dpkg woody |
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| 13:39.06 | R1ck | now none of the stuff I wanted will be possible with packages |
| 13:39.07 | PerfDave | kahuna_: Pretty (2001), but it's still usable as a desktop. |
| 13:39.16 | greycat | PerfDave: 2002. |
| 13:39.20 | PerfDave | R1ck: What are you talking about? |
| 13:39.21 | PerfDave | greycat: Close. |
| 13:39.22 | BleSS | hi! what locale are you using? the american people: C (by default) or en_US? thx |
| 13:39.29 | jethro | PerfDave: usable, bot not very attractive as a desktop :) |
| 13:39.30 | R1ck | there's no postgresql support for postfix, no sql support for sasl AT ALL |
| 13:39.32 | greycat | BleSS: use whatever the hell you *want*. |
| 13:39.34 | greycat | !tell BleSS about bad polls |
| 13:39.58 | PerfDave | jethro: *shrug* We have Woody desktops here, they work. |
| 13:40.03 | PerfDave | R1ck: Backports are your friend. |
| 13:40.15 | BleSS | greycat, it's for make the locales from a live-cd |
| 13:40.18 | PerfDave | jethro: And KDE 2 is still reasonably pretty. |
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| 13:40.30 | PerfDave | BleSS: There are no Debian live CDs. |
| 13:40.32 | kahuna_ | I'll be using wmaker. Security updates aren't that important if I can compile the newer packages myself without interfering with the packaging system. |
| 13:40.34 | R1ck | PerfDave: that sounds like an awful way to do something which should be easy as fsck |
| 13:40.37 | jethro | PerfDave: I don't doubt woody works, I doubt the average joe will find it attractive compared to other distros |
| 13:40.43 | PerfDave | R1ck: It is easy as fsck. |
| 13:40.47 | abrocadabro | bob2: do you work for the university? as IT technician? |
| 13:40.54 | PerfDave | jethro: I dunno. It's prettier than Ubuntu. |
| 13:40.56 | Mr_hawkins | how do i run a installed program from tee terminal |
| 13:40.59 | jethro | PerfDave: and that being said for a desktop only |
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| 13:41.12 | R1ck | PerfDave: so how does this backport thing work |
| 13:41.20 | abrocadabro | bob2: do you go to CLUG meeting? |
| 13:41.25 | PerfDave | R1ck: Read the APT HOWTO, or checkout http://www.backports.org/ |
| 13:41.27 | abrotman | !tell R1ck about backports |
| 13:41.29 | infodroid | Mr_hawkins: was that aj oke? |
| 13:41.31 | R1ck | ty |
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| 13:41.43 | PerfDave | R1ck: I told you this when suggesting you install backports from Sid onto Sarge. |
| 13:41.53 | berzerka | oh my god.. i'm so f****n stupid, excuse me you guys.. don't ask me why, but i had my ppp-reconnect script activated as a cron-job again (checks every minute "ifconfig | grep ppp0 -> pon .."). my fault. i was sure i had that deactivated, because the cron output garbages my syslog (one entry every minute). anyone an idea how to supress that output? |
| 13:41.57 | shek | does anyone know what error code 10 is when you try to run adduser as root? when I try to add a user I get an error code 10 aborting and I cannot add any users , I am new to linux and I have no idea whats going on |
| 13:42.02 | Mr_hawkins | well yea it did but i think i need a new set of deivers for my grapix card =/ |
| 13:42.20 | Mr_hawkins | drivers* |
| 13:42.31 | PerfDave | shek: Google? |
| 13:42.44 | infodroid | Mr_hawkins: be patient and do what needs to be done |
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| 13:42.49 | stew | shek: what version of debian? |
| 13:42.55 | shek | i couldnt find the error code on google or any ideas on how to fix the problem |
| 13:43.01 | greycat | berzerka: just live with it. it's not going to fill up your /var partition unless you were crazy enough to make /var *MUCH* too small. |
| 13:43.09 | directhex|work | Mr_hawkins, what's the graphics card? |
| 13:43.13 | Mr_hawkins | well yea =) started 3 days ago whit linux so i am not so good at it =) |
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| 13:43.34 | bob2 | abrocadabro: nah, just a student when I'm not at my real job |
| 13:43.41 | Mr_hawkins | its an laptop and it got ati 9600 mobile |
| 13:43.42 | infodroid | Mr_hawkins: it will take a lot more than 3 days, so have some realistic expectations |
| 13:43.47 | Mr_hawkins | =) |
| 13:43.47 | directhex|work | oh god |
| 13:43.48 | bob2 | abrocadabro: yeah, sometimes...it's a bit annoyingly cliquey sometimes |
| 13:43.49 | Mr_hawkins | yea |
| 13:44.02 | PerfDave | berzerka: Why do you have ppp-reconnect in cron? I thought you didn't want to reconnect automatically. Anyway, direct output to /dev/null |
| 13:44.06 | CarlosAlex | lpadmin -p 692c -m /usr/share/cups/model/foomatic-ppds/HP/HP-DeskJet_692C-hpijs.ppd -v parallel:/dev/lp0 -E |
| 13:44.07 | CarlosAlex | lpadmin: add-printer (set model) failed: server-error-internal-error |
| 13:44.08 | Mr_hawkins | i am little knowlage by trial error now =) |
| 13:44.15 | berzerka | greycat: well.. it really sucks.. i oversee the important output because there are screensful of CRON: bla.. |
| 13:44.16 | greycat | shek: is there *already* a group named 'sammy' or a group with GID 1006? |
| 13:44.16 | abrotman | berzerka: why not use diald? |
| 13:44.20 | shek | i think its woody kernel 2.4.27 |
| 13:44.21 | directhex|work | Mr_hawkins, google for 'ati flavio debian' for detailed instructions, but ATI's Linux support is appalling, and you will be _VERY_ lucky to successfully install their drivers |
| 13:44.25 | shek | how do I find out? |
| 13:44.32 | greycat | berzerka: grep -v CRON _LOGFILE_ | tail |
| 13:44.36 | stew | shek: cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -r |
| 13:44.40 | directhex|work | shek, uname -r. woody would be 2.4.18 or 2.2.20 |
| 13:44.45 | Mr_hawkins | ok =) |
| 13:44.59 | infodroid | directhex|work: i've had good experience with ati on debian ppc |
| 13:45.12 | shek | greycat: no there is not a group |
| 13:45.13 | berzerka | PerfDave: output 'is' redirected to /dev/null.. the output i get is: /USR/SBIN/CRON[22657]: (root) CMD (/root/scripts/reconne |
| 13:45.13 | berzerka | ct.sh > /dev/null) |
| 13:45.36 | directhex|work | infodroid, the 9600 is r300. only supported by ati's binary i386-and-amd64 drivers |
| 13:45.41 | shek | its version 2.6.8-2 when I do a uname -r |
| 13:45.42 | abrotman | berzerka: use diald |
| 13:45.43 | asg | berzerka: stdout is but not stderr |
| 13:45.44 | greycat | shek: oh well. I never use "groupadd" myself. If I wanted to add a new group I'd just run: echo 'sammy:x:1006:' >> /etc/group |
| 13:45.48 | directhex|work | infodroid, plus, i have an r200 here, it's painfully bad |
| 13:45.53 | berzerka | abrotman: ill have a look at that, thanks |
| 13:45.54 | greycat | (actually I'd use vigr, or vi /etc/group, but that's the same thing) |
| 13:45.59 | Mr_hawkins | this is a little like arabic to me =) |
| 13:46.02 | kahuna_ | So I take it that most of you are running sarge? |
| 13:46.09 | infodroid | directhex|work: ouch sorry to hear |
| 13:46.18 | greycat | kahuna_: on which computer? |
| 13:46.18 | directhex|work | Mr_hawkins, tough. ati on linux is hell. perhaps #ati might helpl but i've given you a push in the right direction |
| 13:46.25 | berzerka | asg: youre rite.. but you think thats stderr output? well, ill try.. |
| 13:46.37 | Mr_hawkins | =) yea thanks =) |
| 13:46.39 | kahuna_ | Woody on the servers and sarge on the desktop I'd imagine |
| 13:46.49 | shek | greycat: I just want to add a user, I dont know if I have to add a group for that or not |
| 13:46.57 | PerfDave | kahuna_: I'm running Woody on most of my servers, Woody on most of my desktops, Sarge on a few test boxes. |
| 13:47.08 | greycat | shek: why the fuck are you running GROUPADD if you want to add a USER? Run 'adduser'! |
| 13:47.11 | kahuna_ | Right now I'm running gentoo and the 2% speed increase isn't worth waiting for the compile. |
| 13:47.26 | abrotman | kahuna_: duh :) |
| 13:47.27 | zeeble | kahuna_: lol |
| 13:47.35 | PerfDave | !gentoosmite kahuna_ |
| 13:47.37 | kahuna_ | I have RH7.3 on my laptop so woody might be a good fit there. |
| 13:47.44 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: hehe saw that coming |
| 13:47.48 | FieldySnuts | too bad it didn't work? |
| 13:47.56 | greycat | kahuna_: for a laptop, I'd strongly recommend sarge over woody. |
| 13:47.58 | asg | kahuna_: sarge would probably be better than woody for your laptop at this point in time |
| 13:48.02 | kahuna_ | I'n *not* a ricer though. |
| 13:48.03 | PerfDave | kahuna_: If you don't care about security updates, and if you're running RH7.3 you clearly don't, then you probably want Sarge. |
| 13:48.06 | directhex|work | infodroid, ati's binary drivers are 50-66% slower than nvidia's binary drivers on identically priced hardware. the open-source ati drivers are ~50% slower than ati's binary drivers. as you move further from nvidia, fewer things actually run |
| 13:48.14 | zeeble | kahuna_: sarge or unstable on the laptop is fine. |
| 13:48.23 | abrotman | PerfDave: fedora-legacy provides security for 7.3 |
| 13:48.28 | CarlosAlex | lpc status shows everythings ok |
| 13:48.29 | abrotman | kind of ... |
| 13:48.29 | shek | that is what I typed in , i did a adduser then waited for it to ask me the username, and then it gave me all those error messages which also included that it was trying to add a group and it failed |
| 13:48.30 | PerfDave | abrotman: FSVO "provides" |
| 13:48.41 | directhex|work | infodroid, i wish i could play games (old things like quake2, for example) when bored at work, but the 3500+ athlon 64 can't bring the radeon 9200se towards 'usable' |
| 13:48.42 | abrotman | PerfDave: yeah .. not always very timely :) |
| 13:48.46 | PerfDave | zeeble: Please don't advice Debian newcomers to run Unstable. They won't be able to fix things when they break badly, rare though that may be. |
| 13:48.47 | asg | PerfDave: and sarge does get security updates when they filter through sid |
| 13:48.48 | greycat | shek: and of course you couldn't *tell* us what the error was. |
| 13:48.49 | FieldySnuts | adduser isn't interactive, you may want to try superadduser |
| 13:48.54 | CarlosAlex | lpq shows the queue ready |
| 13:48.59 | greycat | FieldySnuts: isn't it? |
| 13:49.06 | zeeble | PerfDave: hm, ok. |
| 13:49.07 | asg | FieldySnuts: it is here |
| 13:49.07 | FieldySnuts | he's expecting it to step him through |
| 13:49.07 | PerfDave | asg: No, it gets version updates, which may fix holes, may break things, and are at least two weeks late. |
| 13:49.09 | greycat | arc1:~# adduser |
| 13:49.09 | greycat | Enter a username to add: |
| 13:49.13 | abrotman | asg: unless they are base packages i suppose .. since it should be frozen right? |
| 13:49.17 | FieldySnuts | aww poor dpkg is lagged |
| 13:49.20 | PerfDave | Wow, dpkg is *slooow* |
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| 13:49.42 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Not lagged net-wise, I presume his box is eating CPU or something. |
| 13:49.49 | CarlosAlex | scheduler is running |
| 13:49.49 | CarlosAlex | system default destination: 692C |
| 13:49.49 | CarlosAlex | device for 692C: parallel:/dev/lp0 |
| 13:49.49 | CarlosAlex | 692C accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00 |
| 13:49.49 | CarlosAlex | printer 692C is idle. enabled since Jan 01 00:00 |
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| 13:49.56 | greycat | debian: botsnack |
| 13:49.58 | bob2 | ucr's network seems to be fucked tonight |
| 13:49.58 | greycat | bah. |
| 13:50.04 | abrotman | hasn't he been told like 5 times .. at least ? |
| 13:50.08 | greycat | debhelper: go steal debian's botsnack. it's for you. |
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| 13:50.25 | abrotman | !grill piggy |
| 13:50.26 | greycat | !be printer barbie |
| 13:50.26 | asg | PerfDave: You can always generally apply a sid update to a sarge box w/o repercussion if it's the time lag that worries you, and provided you know what you are doing. |
| 13:50.34 | TUFKAAC | hi all :) someone know how I can convert winmail.dat attach in a existing maildir ? |
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| 13:50.36 | kreiger | sup? |
| 13:50.37 | shek | adding user sammy ...adding new group 'sammy' (1006). |
| 13:50.38 | shek | groupadd: unable to lock group file |
| 13:50.38 | shek | adduser: `/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 1006 sammy' returned error code 10. Aborting. |
| 13:50.48 | simonrvn | jethro: i think the patch would do better is it was case insensitive. |
| 13:50.49 | shek | cleaning up |
| 13:50.51 | Mr_hawkins | #ati was dead |
| 13:51.02 | abrotman | !piav |
| 13:51.02 | COReE | hi simonrvn, thanks for your ideas |
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| 13:51.08 | abrotman | dpkg: come back!! |
| 13:51.10 | shek | and removing groupdel : group sammy does not exist |
| 13:51.14 | simonrvn | COReE: np |
| 13:51.16 | shek | is the error message I get |
| 13:51.18 | COReE | now i just set on 75dpi gtk fonts |
| 13:51.19 | jethro | simonrvn: feel free to modify it, it can be ([^\w]) and /gie |
| 13:51.20 | greycat | shek: "unable to lock" implies a few possibilities. 1) you aren't root. 2) your / file system is mounted read-only. 3) you have some weird corruption of your / file system. maybe a few others. |
| 13:51.20 | PerfDave | asg: "generally". "if you know what you are doing". |
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| 13:51.34 | asg | PerfDave: it isn't a perfect world, of course. |
| 13:51.37 | abrotman | greycat: he has the file open elsewhere |
| 13:51.38 | jethro | hi asg |
| 13:51.40 | simonrvn | jethro: okey dokey |
| 13:51.41 | asg | jethro: hiya |
| 13:51.41 | COReE | and everything feel's good:-)thanks man |
| 13:51.41 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 13:51.50 | greycat | if we knew WHICH kind of lock it's trying to make, we might narrow it down more. strace should help with that, but shek is CLEARLY not capable of interpreting strace output yet. |
| 13:51.50 | shek | I am running it as su |
| 13:52.05 | jethro | shek: as root, not as su |
| 13:52.09 | kreiger | hm, question, are the installers different based on woody vs sarge? |
| 13:52.12 | greycat | shek: apt-get install lsof; lsof /etc/group |
| 13:52.15 | simonrvn | jethro: oh it is /gie =) |
| 13:52.20 | jethro | simonrvn: :) |
| 13:52.40 | asg | kreiger: yes, though they are still both curses based. |
| 13:52.44 | jethro | simonrvn: it can be s/([^\w])/bar/gie tho |
| 13:52.59 | greycat | kreiger: very different. |
| 13:53.08 | PerfDave | kreiger: Yes. Woody has the venerable boot-floppies, Sarge has the shiny new debian-installer. |
| 13:53.22 | kreiger | mm. which is easier? i'm a newb and looking for something a little less spoon fed |
| 13:53.26 | greycat | shiny but FUCKING SLLOOOOOOOWWWWWW. |
| 13:53.33 | greycat | kreiger: sarge is easier. |
| 13:53.45 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 13:53.45 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, abrotman |
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| 13:53.50 | abrotman | greycat: did they fix the hppa installer yet? |
| 13:54.02 | greycat | abrotman: if so, they never told me. |
| 13:54.02 | shek | greycat: no I am clearly not capable of interpreting anything , I am a new user , lsof /etc/group ran fine, no errors |
| 13:54.02 | PerfDave | kreiger: Sarge is easier, since it has hardware autodetection and slightly easier disk partitioning. But Woody isn't exactly difficult. |
| 13:54.02 | Mr_hawkins | hmm i am going to give this a rest for a while |
| 13:54.05 | greycat | shek: what did it *say*? |
| 13:54.10 | Mr_hawkins | pretty hard to get it all =) |
| 13:54.15 | greycat | shek: no output at all? |
| 13:54.29 | shek | nothing, apt-get install lsof said lsof already installed and latest version running |
| 13:54.32 | directhex|work | PerfDave, assuming hardware compatibility etc |
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| 13:54.43 | kreiger | and sarge is the testing, correct? |
| 13:54.45 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Indeed. |
| 13:54.48 | greycat | shek: ok, then nothing has it open, so abrotman's speculation as to the cause of the locking error was not correct. |
| 13:54.49 | asg | kreiger: yes, for now |
| 13:54.52 | abrotman | kreiger: currently .. yes |
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| 13:54.59 | abrotman | greycat: i suck .. duh :) |
| 13:55.00 | kreiger | how long until that changes? |
| 13:55.01 | PerfDave | kreiger: Yes, Sarge is currently the testing release. Soon (allegedly) it will release and become stable. |
| 13:55.02 | greycat | shek: that leaves "you aren't root" or "your / is fucked". |
| 13:55.08 | greycat | abrotman: no, it was a reasonable guess. |
| 13:55.17 | greycat | shek: what does /usr/bin/id say? |
| 13:55.30 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 13:55.38 | kreiger | Ahhh |
| 13:55.38 | asg | ex |
| 13:55.42 | abrotman | bah .. Bachelor party or CPLUG security event ? |
| 13:55.42 | asg | eep |
| 13:55.49 | greycat | kreiger: we've been waiting for years now. |
| 13:55.59 | berzerka | kreiger: currently woody is stable, sarge is testing. unstable will always be sid. |
| 13:56.04 | greycat | abrotman: your own bachelor party, or someone else's? |
| 13:56.12 | Mr_hawkins | if i want to run like dosbox in debian |
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| 13:56.19 | PerfDave | greycat: To be fair, we've not been waiting for years. Sarge was only *expected* to release in August last year, wasn't it? |
| 13:56.20 | abrotman | greycat: someone else's .. co-worker that i also went to college with |
| 13:56.20 | shek | greycat: it says uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) i did a su before adding new user |
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| 13:56.27 | kreiger | I know, debian 3.0 came out in 2002 |
| 13:56.27 | jetscreamer | make that IN stable, IN testing |
| 13:56.28 | greycat | !sarge pool |
| 13:56.28 | dpkg | hmm... sarge pool is Come and bet on when Sarge will be released. Ask me about "listkeys sarge pool" to find all of the bets, and "sarge bet" to find out how to bet. ! bloom=2005-01-31 |
| 13:56.30 | Mr_hawkins | got it installed thru "apt-get" |
| 13:56.38 | greycat | DAMN... they mutilated it. |
| 13:56.44 | greycat | !listkeys sarge pool |
| 13:56.45 | Mr_hawkins | how do i start is ? |
| 13:56.45 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sarge pool' by key (5 shown): sarge pool 4 ;; sarge pool 5 ;; sarge pool ;; sarge pool 3 ;; sarge pool 2. |
| 13:56.47 | abrotman | !sarge pool 4 |
| 13:56.48 | dpkg | Keep 'em coming! blk=2005-01-23 <alejandro_>=2005-02-15 #perl-magic-8-ball-bot=2005-01-01 Zone=2004-11-29 karsten=2003-12-01 abrotman=2004-10-02 Guerin=2005-03-13 Kerpal=2005-01-01 FieldySnuts=2009-12-31 scarynetworkguy=2005-01-03 directhex=2004-12-25 <cantona>=2004-08-19 <cantona>=2004-8-19 andika=2005-01-31 Cit=2004-05-20 g0llum=2004-07-26 dan2=2004-06-24 bztunk=2004-09-11 obake=2004-04-31 guestish=2004-05-30 <galois>=2004-07-09 |
| 13:56.49 | Mr_hawkins | it* |
| 13:56.52 | abrotman | yay .. i so lost |
| 13:56.59 | kreiger | How much is in the pot? |
| 13:57.03 | streuner | !sarge 5 |
| 13:57.06 | greycat | kreiger: zero |
| 13:57.09 | streuner | !sarge pool 5 |
| 13:57.09 | dpkg | [sarge pool 5] ! alejandro=2005-06-15 Joris=2005-04-07 DavidS=2005-06-30 dob=2005-03-15 RememberPOL=2005-02-16 dan2=2005-04-15 blk=2005-02-12 marinos=2005-04-31 SquareRt=2005-05-15 zumbi=2005-06-23 Anthro=2005-02-07 Amaranth=2005-01-20 jon787=1901-12-13 ricky_clarkson=2005-11-06 |
| 13:57.09 | kreiger | awwww |
| 13:57.20 | greycat | !sarge pool 2 |
| 13:57.20 | dpkg | More bets on when sarge will become stable! paulswm=LOSER Chromakode=LOSER RinzeWind=LOSER FreshUsr=LOSER bytewalker=LOSER Supaplex=Before Y2K38 g4lt=when hell freezes over (don't delete it this time) mechan0r=when_gravity_says_so gravity=when_aj_says_so VynoM=LOSER zu22=LOSER Gnea=LOSER Sinistrad=LOSER mdeboer=LOSER hoxu=LOSER cafuego=2004-13-13 |
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| 13:57.26 | R1ck | PerfDave: thnx for the pointer on backports |
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| 13:57.29 | streuner | haha |
| 13:57.35 | PerfDave | R1ck: No worries |
| 13:57.36 | abrotman | wait a second . isn't dan2 in there somewhere as beta3 ? |
| 13:57.56 | greycat | WHAT??? What's all this "=LOSER" crap? I WANT TO KNOW WHEN THE FIRST ONES WERE! |
| 13:58.03 | greycat | and whwere's MINE, dammit? |
| 13:58.04 | Mr_hawkins | never mind =) figured it out =) |
| 13:58.12 | directhex|work | i've revised my estimates. i think duke nukem forever will be sold on a bootable sarge livecd |
| 13:58.16 | abrotman | !sarge pool 1 |
| 13:58.23 | abrotman | greycat: where is yours? |
| 13:58.25 | asg | greycat: wasn't yours back in march? |
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| 13:58.27 | abrotman | !factinfo sarge pool 2 |
| 13:58.27 | dpkg | sarge pool 2 -- created by hoxu|uni <hokkaneh@amadeus.cc.tut.fi> at Wed Dec 24 17:11:06 2003 (418 days); it has been requested 142 times, last by greycat, 1m 7s ago. |
| 13:58.30 | greycat | abrotman: it was in the *original* sarge pool. |
| 13:58.42 | abrotman | greycat: hmm .. ask stew who changed it |
| 13:58.43 | kahuna_ | Thanks for the advice guys |
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| 13:59.06 | greycat | @sarge pool |
| 13:59.08 | ravenbird | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! gnupg=01-Jan-2004. Shay=2002-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22. Starfox=2003-01-15 |
| 13:59.12 | greycat | ~sarge pool |
| 13:59.13 | apt | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-04-08 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, ... |
| 13:59.21 | shek | greycat: it says uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) i did a su before adding new user any way to fix / , or how do I find out that what is wrong |
| 13:59.31 | noid2 | what is the more popular choice with debian users ..gnome or kde ? |
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| 13:59.39 | greycat | see? we had bets placing sarge's release date in *2003* |
| 13:59.39 | abrotman | greycat: apparently bloom was the last one to change the first sarge pool |
| 13:59.42 | directhex|work | Noid, a text console. |
| 13:59.50 | greycat | noid2: neither. |
| 13:59.56 | noid2 | screen ? |
| 14:00.00 | noid2 | =) |
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| 14:00.04 | asg | !hug screen |
| 14:00.04 | greycat | noid2: *box, *maker, *vwm |
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| 14:00.12 | asg | noid2: and don't forget 'ion' |
| 14:00.17 | marinos | brrr |
| 14:00.28 | t-dub | brrr? |
| 14:00.36 | t-dub | i got a foot of snow last night |
| 14:00.38 | t-dub | geez |
| 14:00.41 | marinos | ion |
| 14:01.00 | marinos | ratpoison |
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| 14:01.09 | abrotman | greycat: he hasn't modified that in a long time |
| 14:01.19 | PerfDave | noid2: That sounds like a poll to me ;) |
| 14:01.19 | directhex|work | greycat, *fce! |
| 14:01.31 | possie | what is a nice tool to gather system resource information and plot it to a graph? like cpu usage mem usage etc? |
| 14:01.37 | noid2 | this is for my laptop....i now have a server runing on debian figured i should change my laptop to debian and say good bye to windows |
| 14:01.39 | marinos | blackbox and sons are fine |
| 14:01.44 | asg | possie: vmstat |
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| 14:01.56 | asg | possie: you'll have to figure out how to graph the data though |
| 14:02.06 | possie | asg: but i would like to have graph though |
| 14:02.08 | simonrvn | @forget sarge pool |
| 14:02.09 | ravenbird | simonrvn: i forgot sarge pool |
| 14:02.14 | stew | doh |
| 14:02.26 | asg | possie: then take a look at mrtg, rrdtool, and cacti |
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| 14:03.10 | takatumi | possie: or munin |
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| 14:04.21 | shek | greycat: I think I just found out why / could be messed up, its full , I did a df and its at 100% |
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| 14:04.30 | FieldySnuts | possie: i find cacti very powerful myself |
| 14:04.40 | shek | anyway to resize it to give / more space? |
| 14:04.43 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: could it take megatron in a battle? |
| 14:04.49 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 14:04.56 | rituraj | http://news.com.com/Bill+Gates+and+other+communists/2010-1071_3-5576230.html |
| 14:04.59 | asg | abrotman: my money's on mothra |
| 14:05.06 | FieldySnuts | rituraj: heh |
| 14:05.18 | asg | FieldySnuts: it's an RMS rant |
| 14:05.22 | possie | thanks all |
| 14:05.30 | FieldySnuts | haha the best part of that article is it's by rms |
| 14:05.34 | abrotman | asg: you think? ... what about the gremlins ? |
| 14:05.38 | FieldySnuts | rms is my hero brb |
| 14:05.47 | asg | abrotman: I don't hold with feeding them after midnight |
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| 14:06.11 | greycat | shek: not easily. how big is it? what's filling it up? |
| 14:06.20 | greycat | abrotman: we both suck. :) |
| 14:06.28 | abrotman | greycat: he filled / ? |
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| 14:06.57 | abrotman | greycat: who needs partitions? |
| 14:07.40 | t-dub | windows does |
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| 14:07.46 | t-dub | pethetic peice of crap |
| 14:07.56 | shek | my roommate was trying to install a library called ltilib and the dumbass untarred it in / |
| 14:08.11 | shek | the library didnt work anyway so I just deleted it |
| 14:08.22 | abrotman | shek: hint .. don't give roomie root |
| 14:08.53 | shek | abrotman: i am hoping that I didnt mess it up more by just rm -r ltilib, because I couldnt purge it |
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| 14:10.01 | abrotman | shek: erm .. yeah .. i guess |
| 14:10.19 | reNegad3 | is the boot partition supposed to be ext2 or ext3?? |
| 14:10.29 | possie | FieldySnuts: which do i need to use? cacti or cacti-cactid ? |
| 14:10.35 | R1ck | creating template1 database in /var/lib/postgres/data/base/1... FATAL: XX000: failed to initialize lc_messages to "" |
| 14:10.38 | stew | reNegad3: either, i'd recommend ext3 |
| 14:10.39 | R1ck | what does that mean? |
| 14:10.45 | reNegad3 | ok ta |
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| 14:10.58 | shek | abrotman: I have space in / now , usage at 53% |
| 14:10.59 | cahoot | stew: why a journal for /boot? |
| 14:11.04 | shek | but it is still not letting me add users |
| 14:11.15 | abrotman | shek: now change roots password |
| 14:11.25 | stew | cahoot: you know, i read that as root |
| 14:11.37 | cahoot | stew: oh disregard |
| 14:11.38 | stew | cahoot: any reason why not, though? |
| 14:11.55 | cahoot | stew: waste of space mainly |
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| 14:12.28 | stew | reNegad3: unless you have old hardware a boot partition may be unnecessary |
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| 14:12.46 | reNegad3 | ohh sweet :P |
| 14:12.47 | shek | abrotman: ok I tried doing that and then retried adding user and it worked .....wow...dont know how or why |
| 14:13.07 | gartt | Why don't they have ufs for linux? Just wondering |
| 14:13.09 | reNegad3 | thnx mate |
| 14:13.17 | abrotman | shek: because it was trying to create a temp file before changing it .. it couldn't .. and died |
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| 14:13.57 | eNTi | can someone tell me howto REDIRECT ALL logging activities to a tty. i want my hard disk to be left alone (at least most of the time), so that i can turn itself off |
| 14:13.59 | greycat | shek: yes, you DO know how and why. |
| 14:14.05 | greycat | shek: this isn't brain surgery. |
| 14:14.27 | abrotman | !party |
| 14:14.28 | dpkg | i heard party is Lego, and alcohol |
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| 14:14.40 | asg | eNTi: man syslog.conf (though things like apache, etc., don't log to syslog so you'll have to figure those out on your own.) |
| 14:14.43 | rj__ | hi, i have some debian servers on an internal network with 1 dual-homed machine with net access. can anyone recommend a decent, simple proxy so i can use apt on the machines which only use the lan? |
| 14:14.50 | shek | yeah I guess, I just dont have enough exposure to it or experience, i need to learn fast |
| 14:14.50 | AcidChild | how do i aim my apt-get so i can get 2.6.* kernels. |
| 14:14.58 | abrotman | rj__: apt-proxy ? |
| 14:14.59 | AcidChild | is it the unstable mirror |
| 14:15.01 | eNTi | asg: kk |
| 14:15.07 | R1ck | how do you re-start configuration for a package? |
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| 14:15.18 | abrotman | AcidChild: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 14:15.27 | thenuke | umm.. dpkg-reconfigure or something like that it was |
| 14:15.27 | PerfDave | AcidChild: If you can't answer that question, you shouldn't be running unstable. |
| 14:15.27 | abrotman | R1ck: dpkg-reconfigure <pgkname> |
| 14:15.36 | PerfDave | !tell AcidChild -about sid faq |
| 14:15.43 | AcidChild | thx you |
| 14:15.45 | abrotman | PerfDave: like that stops people |
| 14:15.49 | AcidChild | new to debian mate. |
| 14:16.03 | snail | eNTi: point /var/log to a ram disk? |
| 14:16.04 | PerfDave | AcidChild: then you definitely shouldn't be running unstable, it's intended for developers and testers. |
| 14:16.12 | AcidChild | uhuh |
| 14:16.12 | AcidChild | ok |
| 14:16.14 | grivell | abrotman: Yes, some get shaky knees and... no it doesn't. |
| 14:16.17 | snail | eNTi: that's what knoppix does |
| 14:16.18 | AcidChild | well i am using woody i fink |
| 14:16.19 | greycat | it would've been very helpful if adduser had said *why* the locking failed... oh well. |
| 14:16.24 | R1ck | tnx abrotman |
| 14:16.26 | abrotman | grivell: say what? |
| 14:16.49 | grivell | abrotman: In response to "like that stops people" :) |
| 14:17.05 | abrotman | AcidChild: you need to tell us what you're using |
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| 14:17.07 | abrotman | grivell: oh ok |
| 14:17.14 | AcidChild | how do i find out? |
| 14:17.23 | AcidChild | its a disk i found laying around |
| 14:17.23 | abrotman | AcidChild: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:17.51 | abrotman | greycat: isn't it a script you can read? |
| 14:18.01 | AcidChild | stable |
| 14:18.08 | greycat | groupadd is an ELF program |
| 14:18.16 | abrotman | AcidChild: you can either move to sarge .. or use bunk's 2.6 packages |
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| 14:18.20 | noid2 | why is exim debians default choice ? is it better than sendmail |
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| 14:18.25 | abrotman | greycat: ah ok |
| 14:18.30 | AcidChild | wel.. |
| 14:18.32 | AcidChild | eermm ok |
| 14:18.35 | greycat | noid2: banging your nuts with a hammer is better than sendmail. |
| 14:18.48 | AcidChild | http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm << on this atm |
| 14:18.52 | PerfDave | noid2: It's easy to configure, and does the job for just about everybody. |
| 14:18.55 | noid2 | greycat: its stat bad eh |
| 14:19.03 | AcidChild | i cant seem to find module-init-tools on apt |
| 14:19.04 | greycat | and sendmail's there for the masochists who want it. |
| 14:19.10 | greycat | AcidChild: it's NOT IN WOODY! |
| 14:19.17 | AcidChild | ah |
| 14:19.18 | greycat | AcidChild: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 14:19.19 | abrotman | AcidChild: that won't work for woody |
| 14:19.30 | AcidChild | ok :( |
| 14:19.44 | noid2 | so much hate ...i love it. /me is going with exem |
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| 14:19.56 | abrotman | exim |
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| 14:19.58 | abrotman | duh |
| 14:20.08 | noid2 | hrm exim ... |
| 14:20.15 | AcidChild | thx guys |
| 14:20.19 | AcidChild | so weird :| |
| 14:20.29 | directhex|work | !tell AcidChild about woody hardware support |
| 14:20.36 | noid2 | exeem is an exelent source of pornography ...get them mixed up |
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| 14:20.44 | greycat | "exelent"? |
| 14:20.51 | noid2 | excelent |
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| 14:20.54 | abrotman | hehh |
| 14:20.54 | AcidChild | thats ok |
| 14:20.57 | greycat | noid2: don't they teach ENGLISH over there in the .uk? |
| 14:20.59 | AcidChild | its a oldish box. |
| 14:20.59 | abrotman | not getting any closer |
| 14:21.08 | AcidChild | how big is sage? |
| 14:21.09 | AcidChild | to download. |
| 14:21.13 | greycat | AcidChild: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:21.16 | abrotman | AcidChild: are you on dialup? |
| 14:21.16 | shulik | does anybody know how to disable MTA on boot? |
| 14:21.17 | noid2 | greycat: not english .... |
| 14:21.21 | AcidChild | allmost. |
| 14:21.28 | greycat | shulik: read /etc/init.d/README and man inetd.conf |
| 14:21.29 | directhex|work | AcidChild, define 'almost' |
| 14:21.30 | AcidChild | 20kbs down |
| 14:21.34 | asg | greycat: looks like adduser just system()'s out to groupadd. |
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| 14:21.38 | abrotman | noid2: you don't learn english in school in ENGLAND ? |
| 14:21.39 | greycat | that's FIVE TIMES a dial-up. |
| 14:21.44 | AcidChild | OMG |
| 14:21.46 | AcidChild | so it is =p |
| 14:22.06 | abrotman | or even basic spelling |
| 14:22.08 | PerfDave | Hey, some of us went to school. |
| 14:22.15 | PerfDave | shulik: Why do you want to disable your MTA? |
| 14:22.17 | directhex|work | AcidChild, well sarge is technically 15 CDs |
| 14:22.18 | shulik | greycat:tnx |
| 14:22.20 | greycat | some of us even learned spelling in *American* schools. |
| 14:22.20 | abrotman | apparently noid2 skipped school that day |
| 14:22.22 | AcidChild | WTF! |
| 14:22.27 | shek | I am trying to install debian on another system , but since it has one usb port , one ide and 1 ethernet port, I have a cdrom plugged into the ide, the hard drive to install on on the usb and the ehternet plugged in but after installing the base system the ide drive cannot boot on its own , there is a kernel panic: trying to kill initrd! any ideas ? |
| 14:22.31 | AcidChild | woody is 7 right? |
| 14:22.35 | AcidChild | but i dont need all of em. |
| 14:22.35 | greycat | AcidChild: but you don't need even a TINY fraction of all that crap. |
| 14:22.36 | noid2 | im too old for school |
| 14:22.39 | abrotman | !tell AcidChild about woody->sarge |
| 14:22.42 | noid2 | they dont want me back |
| 14:22.42 | AcidChild | rofl yesh |
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| 14:23.00 | greycat | AcidChild: just go with the 110 MB net-install and you're fine. |
| 14:23.08 | asg | shek: you have to edit your boot loader to use the ide drive where it exists once the external cdrom has been removed. |
| 14:23.11 | AcidChild | cool :D |
| 14:23.13 | AcidChild | ok will do |
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| 14:23.59 | shek | asg: I cannot boot into the drive, it freezes before I can get to a prompt, is there a way to change that? or how do i change it? |
| 14:24.14 | asg | shek: plug the cdrom back in and try booting it. That should work. |
| 14:24.36 | shek | ok and then do I look for a /etc/boot.conf ?? |
| 14:24.47 | asg | shek: it depends on whether you use grub or lilo |
| 14:25.00 | asg | shek: /boot/grub/menu.lst for the former, /etc/lilo.conf for the latter. |
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| 14:25.15 | noid2 | MIRC does not support spell check =< perhaps I should consider english spelling lessons |
| 14:25.29 | abrotman | or getting off windows |
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| 14:26.36 | AcidChild | cool doing that now thx for the help |
| 14:26.39 | AcidChild | debian seems cool |
| 14:26.43 | noid2 | abrotman: still in the process =) its like smoking. just a bad habit |
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| 14:26.45 | AcidChild | nice apt-get system. |
| 14:26.55 | stew | its the bee's knees |
| 14:26.59 | asg | noid2: they don't provide gum to help you stop windows though |
| 14:26.59 | AcidChild | uhuh :P |
| 14:27.04 | d0ugie | i apt-got gallery, now i'm trying to figure out how to get it configured but I don't have a man page... suggestion? |
| 14:27.05 | AcidChild | i like slackware as well :) |
| 14:27.18 | abrotman | noid2: if you say so |
| 14:27.20 | stew | d0ugie: /usr/share/doc/gallery |
| 14:27.21 | noid2 | asg: unfortunely |
| 14:27.26 | d0ugie | thanks stew |
| 14:27.27 | AcidChild | debian and slackware are -the crap |
| 14:27.36 | stew | d0ugie: that directory exists for ALL packages |
| 14:27.41 | abrotman | debian is crap ? |
| 14:27.46 | AcidChild | - << |
| 14:27.48 | asg | abrotman: I think he means 'the shit' |
| 14:27.48 | shek | asg: so I just change the root value from cdrom to /dev/sda1 , that is what the hard drive pulls up as |
| 14:27.49 | t-dub | debian is not crap |
| 14:27.50 | greycat | I'm still trying to parse that "-" |
| 14:27.50 | AcidChild | minus |
| 14:27.58 | abrotman | asg: oh .. ok |
| 14:28.00 | d0ugie | AcidChild: Hopefully one day, maybe a few years, you will learn to judge without being judgmental. |
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| 14:28.09 | AcidChild | uhuh? |
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| 14:28.12 | AcidChild | no listen to me! |
| 14:28.12 | t-dub | haha |
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| 14:28.20 | AcidChild | i said minus the crap |
| 14:28.24 | AcidChild | with out the crap! |
| 14:28.34 | AcidChild | :) |
| 14:28.35 | asg | shek: try it. |
| 14:28.35 | t-dub | <AcidChild> debian and slackware are -the crap |
| 14:28.42 | t-dub | you said there are crap |
| 14:28.44 | stew | oh just forget it |
| 14:28.51 | AcidChild | <AcidChild> debian and slackware are (((-))))the crap |
| 14:28.57 | greycat | apparently he has his own Unique, Special way of expressing himself. |
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| 14:29.02 | AcidChild | :P |
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| 14:29.13 | Gumby | does anyone here know the name of the application that allows a person to use one mouse and one keyboard with multiple pc's and it uses tcp/ip to send/receive mouse movement/keystrokes. Its like having dual/tripple/etc monitors except that each monitor has its own |
| 14:29.16 | d0ugie | think of the crap as a high gym membership initiation fee... it keeps out the rif raf. |
| 14:29.21 | t-dub | -the crap = not the crap?? |
| 14:29.30 | cahoot | AcidChild: cool it everyone here is firmly convinced of debians high value |
| 14:29.40 | sjoeboo_ | Gumby : synergy |
| 14:29.47 | Gumby | yes, thats it. thank you |
| 14:29.48 | d0ugie | Gumby: vnc |
| 14:29.50 | bender-RW- | -the as in 'da', think "jo da shit man" |
| 14:29.53 | d0ugie | nm |
| 14:30.02 | stew | bender-RW-: who is jo? |
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| 14:30.12 | AcidChild | cahoot: me too! |
| 14:30.18 | AcidChild | forget it |
| 14:30.23 | AcidChild | i like debian ok |
| 14:30.24 | AcidChild | :) |
| 14:30.31 | bender-RW- | stew: nobody its just a saying, rapper stereotype kind of talking |
| 14:30.41 | bender-RW- | stew: as in the last simpsons episode :) |
| 14:30.44 | sep | Gumby: are you thinking about x2x ? or x2vnc for windows/x |
| 14:30.45 | abrotman | why does staying home suck .. because the fucking telemarketers call!! |
| 14:30.56 | asg | abrotman: but then you can have fun with them |
| 14:31.01 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 14:31.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:31.01 | abrotman | Gumby: how many monitors ? |
| 14:31.11 | stew | abrotman: did you put yourself on the do not call registry? |
| 14:31.23 | t-dub | you dont |
| 14:31.29 | abrotman | stew: yes .. but if you do business with someone .. they get to call you .. like your fucking credit card company |
| 14:31.32 | t-dub | that registry is a list of people to call more |
| 14:31.43 | abrotman | t-dub: i get much less than i did before |
| 14:31.48 | stew | abrotman: ahh, i was going to say, the only calls i get are from people i do business with... |
| 14:31.57 | t-dub | joke |
| 14:31.57 | kentpaul | telemarketers suck |
| 14:31.58 | asg | abrotman: I'm not on it and haven't been solicited in 2 weeks |
| 14:32.00 | noid2 | http://www.zefrank.com/donotcall/ |
| 14:32.04 | abrotman | asg: you're british |
| 14:32.06 | stew | abrotman: but its not that many that it outweighs the benefits of staying home |
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| 14:32.11 | asg | abrotman: I have a green card though |
| 14:32.13 | t-dub | i never get that crap |
| 14:32.15 | Gumby | sep: no, it was exactly synergy that I was thinking of |
| 14:32.23 | noid2 | halarious way of dealing with telemarketers: http://www.zefrank.com/donotcall/ |
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| 14:32.28 | abrotman | asg: i mostly get student loans and credit card crap |
| 14:32.34 | Gumby | abrotman: it wasnt for me actually, it was for someone I know. not sure how many monitors |
| 14:32.50 | Gumby | I've done 3 with synergy before, I just couldnt remember the name of it |
| 14:32.54 | abrotman | Gumby: synergy2 requires one monitor per machine IIRC |
| 14:32.57 | njan | Of course, most of the evil telemarketers are middle-aged people or students who need money and are being paid minimum wage to call hundreds of numbers and get through to someone every now and then who swears at them.. |
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| 14:33.04 | sjoeboo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.07 | Gumby | abrotman: yes |
| 14:33.11 | abrotman | Gumby: just so you're aware .. i don't think true software KVM exists yet |
| 14:33.15 | asg | abrotman: mostly it's the cable company for me; I yell at them about having to pay for crappy religious programming until they hang up. |
| 14:33.31 | Gumby | abrotman: as I said, one mouse/kb with multiple pc's |
| 14:33.35 | abrotman | asg: heh |
| 14:33.38 | abrotman | Gumby: ok |
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| 14:33.50 | alex_joni | greetings |
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| 14:34.08 | alex_joni | short question: is horde3 / imp4 available as debs for sarge-testing? |
| 14:34.17 | asg | alex_joni: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:34.54 | reNegad3 | ughh, what was the command to set kdm as default manager?? or what file would I edit?? |
| 14:35.02 | PerfDave | reNegad3: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 14:35.09 | reNegad3 | ahh kewl, ta |
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| 14:36.39 | alex_joni | asg: that was very helpful :( |
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| 14:36.44 | sjoeboo_ | whois sjoeboo |
| 14:36.53 | sjoeboo_ | ...oops. |
| 14:37.15 | stew | tis very bad, to mess with joeboo's rum |
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| 14:37.21 | asg | !info horde3 sarge |
| 14:37.38 | abrotman | i thikn it's just horde |
| 14:37.39 | asg | alex_joni: nope, it isn't in sarge or sid. |
| 14:37.42 | greycat | stew: my wife loves that movie. |
| 14:37.47 | stew | greycat: mine as well |
| 14:37.52 | alex_joni | asg: thx, thought I missed smthg |
| 14:37.58 | asg | abrotman: horde2 in sarge |
| 14:38.29 | asg | alex_joni: so horde2 and imp3 are in sarge right now |
| 14:38.32 | abrotman | asg: and sid |
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| 14:38.56 | alex_joni | asg: I noticed horde2, has some issues running here (think it doesn't like certificates set-up by uw-imapd) |
| 14:39.11 | bob2 | is horde less shit than squirrelmail? |
| 14:39.13 | asg | alex_joni: I'm surprised horde even works with uw-imap |
| 14:39.17 | asg | bob2: no |
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| 14:39.19 | bob2 | by that I mean "does it use php"? |
| 14:39.19 | stew | bob2: not even close |
| 14:39.24 | alex_joni | is there anothere good imapd? |
| 14:39.26 | bob2 | dang |
| 14:39.27 | stew | bob2: it abuses php |
| 14:39.29 | bob2 | asg: dovecot. |
| 14:39.31 | bob2 | ew |
| 14:39.31 | asg | alex_joni: binc, dovecot, courier |
| 14:39.39 | speedy | i'm looking for a good and secure pop3 server to use with exim4, i've been told courier is good, but i'm worried because its running as root |
| 14:39.42 | alex_joni | which would you choose? |
| 14:39.45 | bob2 | I need a non-php webmail thing so I can get rid of php4-imap once and for all |
| 14:39.47 | bob2 | alex_joni: dovecot. |
| 14:39.51 | bob2 | speedy: dovecot |
| 14:39.58 | bob2 | just everyone use dovecot for everything |
| 14:40.01 | jvw | bob2: squirrelmail doesn't need php4-imap |
| 14:40.05 | asg | bob2: openmail is perl based iirc |
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| 14:40.14 | jvw | bob2: look at the dependencies |
| 14:40.22 | asg | bob2: squirrelmail uses it's own internal implementation of imap and doesn't need php4-imap |
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| 14:40.24 | alex_joni | bob2: thx |
| 14:40.27 | bob2 | jvw: hrm, good point |
| 14:40.31 | speedy | bob2 dovecot has ssl support? |
| 14:40.34 | bob2 | jvw: asg oh, woo |
| 14:40.42 | bob2 | now I can just get rid of it |
| 14:40.46 | bob2 | speedy: yes |
| 14:40.54 | asg | speedy: it doesn't matter, you could always just use stunnel to wrap your imap with ssl |
| 14:40.59 | speedy | bob2: mysql authentication? |
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| 14:41.07 | bob2 | speedy: yes |
| 14:41.10 | bob2 | as shit as that s |
| 14:41.12 | bob2 | tho I use it |
| 14:41.23 | speedy | doesnt require root to be running? |
| 14:41.25 | sml | if i have 2GB of RAM does the 2x rule of swap still apply ?! |
| 14:41.27 | asg | bob2: dovecot has a modular plugin auth system doesn't it? |
| 14:41.36 | jethro | sml: no |
| 14:41.37 | jvw | speedy: you can't have a pop3/imap server as non-root |
| 14:41.39 | sml | do i really need 4GB swap ? |
| 14:41.40 | bob2 | speedy: dude, every imap serve will require root |
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| 14:41.46 | bob2 | it has to bind port 143 |
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| 14:42.00 | bob2 | sml: the 2x rule hasn't applied for years |
| 14:42.01 | asg | bob2: and deliver to homedirs |
| 14:42.02 | jvw | speedy: it needs to bind to a low port, AND it needs access to all mailboxes |
| 14:42.08 | sml | bob2: how much swap do i need then ? |
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| 14:42.13 | bob2 | sml: none |
| 14:42.16 | sml | lol |
| 14:42.17 | sml | ok :) |
| 14:42.23 | FieldySnuts | eek lag |
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| 14:42.32 | jethro | sml: chances are very low you'll need to swap with 2GB ram |
| 14:42.32 | bob2 | sml: I'd have some small amount just in case, tho |
| 14:42.35 | speedy | ok |
| 14:42.48 | alex_joni | sml: use some small swap space |
| 14:42.51 | chino | debian has 7 cd's ? and wahts the update cd for ? |
| 14:42.51 | alex_joni | when it starts to fill up .. it's time for more mem ;) |
| 14:42.57 | sml | ok i'll use 256MB |
| 14:43.00 | greycat | chino: /msg dpkg security |
| 14:43.18 | stew | chino: you only need the first and a net connection to install however |
| 14:43.29 | Gathond | sml: really depends on the usage of the machine :) |
| 14:43.36 | sml | well its a database server |
| 14:43.44 | sml | just upped the RAM from 1GB to 2GB |
| 14:44.06 | chino | stew: so just get cd one and i can do a internet install ? |
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| 14:44.21 | stew | chino: yes, /msg dpkg netinst |
| 14:44.36 | Gathond | sml: if the usage pattern have large ammounts of memory acessed rarely swap might give a performance advantage (larger disk cache, because of more free memory) |
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| 14:45.01 | chino | is woody the most up to date ? |
| 14:45.02 | sml | Gathond: i'll make it 256MB and monitor swapping. |
| 14:45.10 | greycat | chino: define "up to date". |
| 14:45.12 | sml | chino: sarge is the most up to date that usable. |
| 14:45.17 | Gathond | sml: of cause when/if that memory in swap is actually needed if will be slower to get that :) |
| 14:45.18 | chino | newest version |
| 14:45.22 | stew | chino: what is this machine going to be used for |
| 14:45.24 | greycat | newest *for what*? |
| 14:45.30 | chino | just messing around |
| 14:45.34 | greycat | chino: then you want sarge. |
| 14:45.37 | chino | iv used many linux's |
| 14:45.38 | sml | chino: sarge is frozen i believe.. sarge is the latest that's "almost ready for stable" |
| 14:45.39 | stew | chino: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:45.44 | greycat | sarge is only part-frozen. |
| 14:45.48 | stew | sml: no only parts of it are frozen |
| 14:45.55 | sml | woody (3.0) is the latest stable (usable for production) |
| 14:46.03 | chino | so your telling me there is goin to be a new version allmost stable called sarge ? |
| 14:46.06 | chino | should i just wait ? |
| 14:46.10 | greycat | chino: no, just use sarge. |
| 14:46.13 | sml | stew: oh right... i saw the topic here the other day and assumed it was being frozen |
| 14:46.13 | stew | chino: no, just use it now |
| 14:46.16 | chino | lol |
| 14:46.17 | stew | chino: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:46.19 | greycat | chino: you can continue updating it as new fixes are applied. |
| 14:46.24 | PerfDave | chino: You can install Sarge now, but it doesn't have security updates, so don't put it on an Internet-facing box. |
| 14:46.33 | chino | :\ |
| 14:46.48 | toresbe | Anyone know what time it is in Kentucky? |
| 14:46.48 | greycat | or if you do, be prepared to subscribe to d-s-a and track the security fixes yourself |
| 14:46.51 | chino | so cant i just get woody 3.0 and update to sarge |
| 14:46.55 | chino | when its ready |
| 14:46.56 | stew | sml: it is being frozen, very slowly, currently base+standard are frozen |
| 14:46.57 | sml | chino: are you going to be running any services accessed publically ? or is this a workstation behind a firewall device ? |
| 14:46.57 | greycat | toresbe: I think it's US/Eastern there, not sure. |
| 14:46.59 | asg | chino: yes, if you wish |
| 14:47.01 | stew | toresbe: 09:45 |
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| 14:47.09 | chino | behind a router |
| 14:47.12 | PerfDave | chino: You can update Woody to Sarge, but Sarge has a nicer installer. |
| 14:47.13 | chino | i might offer some services |
| 14:47.14 | toresbe | stew: ok, thanks |
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| 14:47.23 | sml | chino: and the machine is a bastian host ? it can be connected to ? |
| 14:47.31 | chino | bastian ? |
| 14:47.38 | jethro | bastion |
| 14:47.40 | sml | PerfDave: you can still use hte dist-upgrade method ? |
| 14:47.46 | sml | s/a/o |
| 14:47.56 | chino | idk its just gonna be a pc with debian lol im gonna try it out see what its all about |
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| 14:48.02 | chino | is debian all source distro ? |
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| 14:48.08 | asg | chino: no |
| 14:48.10 | PerfDave | chino: No, it's a real distro. |
| 14:48.18 | sml | chino: who is going to use this machine ? just you ? will you be providing any kind of service to ANYONE other than those you TRUST ? i.e. not the public internet |
| 14:48.19 | stew | chino: no, but any package you install has the source available |
| 14:48.21 | chino | lol whats its personality ? |
| 14:48.21 | PerfDave | sml: Yes, but you also have to install discover1 and a few other things to get exactly the same system that you would by installing Sarge directly. |
| 14:48.23 | jethro | chino: it's both binary and source |
| 14:48.27 | chino | yes just me sml |
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| 14:48.32 | jethro | chino: it's how you like it |
| 14:48.35 | chino | jus trust |
| 14:48.39 | sml | PerfDave: I see. |
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| 14:48.54 | PerfDave | chino: Packages are installed as binaries by default, but you can get the source to anything in the main and contrib repositories. |
| 14:49.06 | sml | chino: then install sarge. the benefits of woody over sarge are probably insignificant in your situation compared to how old the packages are. |
| 14:49.10 | chino | no i ment the way the os is installed |
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| 14:49.32 | PerfDave | chino: The OS is installed from CD, or floppy, or USB, or netboot, or bootstrap... read the Installation Manual. |
| 14:49.47 | chino | ok so where can i get a sarge bittorrent perferably intenet install cd or floppies ? |
| 14:49.48 | directhex|work | PerfDave, usb punch card reader? |
| 14:49.56 | directhex|work | !d-i chino |
| 14:49.56 | dpkg | chino, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:50.04 | asg | directhex|work: you'd need a lot of cards |
| 14:50.14 | directhex|work | chino, 110mb net install cd should do the job. or 700mb cd1 if you're feelig extravagent |
| 14:50.24 | directhex|work | !rube goldberg install |
| 14:50.24 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 14:50.43 | MoonPrincess | I've got a tape backup with a simple cron that does some dir backup: "tar -czf /dev/st1 /somedir1" and then writes to a log. The log show all dir are backed up sucessfully, but yet I can't seem to find it on the tape. Any suggestions? |
| 14:51.15 | alex_joni | and horde2 |
| 14:51.29 | chino | whats special about debian ? |
| 14:51.33 | greycat | !why debian |
| 14:51.33 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 14:51.37 | PerfDave | !full cd advocacy |
| 14:51.38 | dpkg | it has been said that full cd advocacy is you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. |
| 14:51.41 | alex_joni | still have some issues with horde: Certificate failure for localhost: self signed certificate: /O=Dovecot mail server/OU= |
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| 14:52.25 | sml | alex_joni: what's horde ? |
| 14:52.29 | sml | !horde |
| 14:52.35 | alex_joni | !horde2 |
| 14:52.42 | stew | sml: horde.org |
| 14:52.46 | alex_joni | sml: horde is an php-webmailer |
| 14:52.58 | alex_joni | but seems dovecot's cert is not ok set-up |
| 14:53.07 | alex_joni | any ideea how I can set it manually? |
| 14:53.31 | sml | alex_joni: the DN of that cert is not complete |
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| 14:53.39 | sml | alex_joni: is that the whole error ? |
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| 14:53.47 | alex_joni | nope |
| 14:53.56 | FieldySnuts | horde is also a great way of saying "please root me", as with most php apps. but horde even more so. |
| 14:53.57 | alex_joni | Notice: (null)(): Certificate failure for localhost: self signed certificate: /O=Dovecot mail server/OU=cassiopeia./CN=cassiopeia.cs.utt.ro/emailAddress=root@cassiopeia.cs.utt.ro (errflg=2) in Unknown on line 0 |
| 14:54.25 | alex_joni | the cert has localhost as DN |
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| 14:54.28 | alex_joni | I think ;) |
| 14:54.30 | sml | alex_joni: have you verified the certificate with openssl ? |
| 14:54.57 | chino | so should i get all the cd's ? |
| 14:54.58 | sml | and does this horde even allow self-signed certificates ? (it'd be a bit lame if it didn't) |
| 14:54.58 | speedy | how can i know what packages related to courier is installed in my system? |
| 14:55.14 | alex_joni | sml: it does allow self-certs, but proper ones |
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| 14:55.26 | alex_joni | I think the one set up by dovecot is not ok |
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| 14:55.35 | sml | alex_joni: you want me to make you one ? |
| 14:55.37 | greycat | chino: either do a net-install, or get CD #1. |
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| 14:55.45 | sml | for testing |
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| 14:55.50 | chino | yes im doing tha but if i wanted to download it all to cd's |
| 14:55.51 | alex_joni | sml: if you can walk me throug? |
| 14:55.53 | chino | whats the 7 cd's for ? |
| 14:56.03 | directhex|work | chino, 7 cds? we said sarge, and gave you a url |
| 14:56.07 | directhex|work | chino, sarge. 15 cds. |
| 14:56.09 | greycat | chino: crap nobody uses except 3 guys in sweden in a nuclear reactor. |
| 14:56.10 | sml | alex_joni: I dont know horde but I understand PKI and openssl concepts.. |
| 14:56.21 | chino | lollllllllll |
| 14:56.28 | alex_joni | sml: I'm a bit rusted in ssl stuff |
| 14:56.32 | alex_joni | did it a while ago |
| 14:56.37 | chino | greycat: i know you name from somewhere else |
| 14:56.57 | directhex|work | chino, all the cds are filled with packages. and for the love of god, get sarge. |
| 14:57.04 | chino | i am |
| 14:57.09 | alex_joni | sml: what's the incantation for openssl for a new cert? |
| 14:57.10 | chino | im downloading the net install |
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| 14:57.24 | sml | alex_joni: openssl req -509 -new -keyout mykey.pem -out mycert.pem -days 360 -config /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf |
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| 14:57.26 | directhex|work | chino, you started on about 7 cds, sarge is 15 |
| 14:57.29 | sml | alex_joni: for a selfsigned one |
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| 14:57.41 | chino | i didnt' count |
| 14:57.49 | alex_joni | sml: yes |
| 14:57.52 | vwirem | Is there any way to have emacs in a stable-woody distro without installing X libraries? |
| 14:57.56 | sml | alex_joni: the 509 flag creates a X509 v3 SSL certificate. |
| 14:57.58 | greycat | vwirem: no |
| 14:58.12 | greycat | well, I lie. you could build it from source. |
| 14:58.21 | asuffield | just install the libraries, they are not large |
| 14:58.29 | chino | debian uses aptget righ t? |
| 14:58.29 | greycat | but what's your obsession with not having X libs? EMACS is already fucking huge! |
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| 14:58.53 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 14:58.54 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see emacs |
| 14:58.54 | sml | alex_joni: adjust flags accordingly .. if you dont haev a config file you can do most stuff from the command line. rsa/dsa/aes etc can all be selected from the command line too |
| 14:59.07 | alex_joni | sml: openssl genrsa ? |
| 14:59.07 | vwirem | greycat, and my HD is fucking tiny... |
| 14:59.18 | greycat | vwirem: learn vi. |
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| 14:59.38 | jetscreamer | how about 'if you caint apt-get you aint jack-shit' |
| 14:59.40 | sml | gendsa/rsa etc |
| 14:59.41 | vwirem | greycat, or install gentoo... |
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| 14:59.47 | sml | or even nodes etc |
| 14:59.53 | directhex|work | chino, it uses dpkg for package management, apt-get is one of many front-ends for it |
| 14:59.57 | sml | alex_joni: anyway how did that go ? |
| 14:59.57 | Zap-W | my x10 hp burner is dying , oh why |
| 14:59.58 | PerfDave | vwirem: apt-get source it, take all the X shit out of the debian/rules file, dpkg-buildpackage and install the remaining build dependencies manually |
| 15:00.06 | chino | ah! |
| 15:00.10 | alex_joni | sml: didn't really go.. I need more incantations |
| 15:00.15 | jetscreamer | planned obselesence |
| 15:00.29 | sml | alex_joni: that's all you need to create a selfsigned certificate. |
| 15:00.29 | directhex|work | chino, you could use dselect, or aptitude, or synaptic, or kpackage, or be a monkey & download your .deb files by hand |
| 15:00.29 | neko` | ok... compiled mysql4.0 from source, installed fine... didn't create all the dirs tho for some reason |
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| 15:00.36 | vwirem | PerfDave, after doing this, will I get informed about updates? |
| 15:00.37 | neko` | and now it refuses to create sockets |
| 15:00.39 | greycat | dpkg, bloat is also os <emacs disease> |
| 15:00.39 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 15:00.47 | PerfDave | vwirem: What do you mean, "get informed about updates"? |
| 15:00.48 | greycat | bah. |
| 15:00.50 | alex_joni | openssl genrsa ...? |
| 15:00.53 | chino | monkey boy they call me |
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| 15:01.04 | greycat | dpkg, bloat =~ s/see emacs, or os/see <emacs> or/ |
| 15:01.04 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 15:01.07 | jetscreamer | i thought they called you chino |
| 15:01.08 | orfeu | where i find nvidia driver for debian ? |
| 15:01.09 | jetscreamer | ese |
| 15:01.09 | vwirem | PerfDave, after doing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 15:01.15 | chino | chino for short ;] |
| 15:01.16 | pro | anyone know of software that i can use to get pictures off my GF's samsung e700 cellphone? |
| 15:01.18 | sml | alex_joni: the 509 should of course be -x509.. i typed it too fast |
| 15:01.20 | alex_joni | sml: how about -newcert |
| 15:01.26 | stew | orfeu: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 15:01.30 | greycat | orfeu: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 15:01.31 | jetscreamer | orfeu, there is the .deb and the .run... 2 diff methods. |
| 15:01.33 | sml | alex_joni: no no -x509 -new |
| 15:01.36 | sml | alex_joni: :) |
| 15:01.40 | greycat | orfeu: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 15:01.43 | directhex|work | !tell orfeu about nvidia one-liner |
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| 15:01.48 | alex_joni | openssl:Error: '-x509' is an invalid command |
| 15:01.49 | greycat | dpkg, nvidia one liner is <reply> see nvidia one-liner |
| 15:01.49 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 15:02.47 | Zap-W | i thought cd burners were ment to work for life , like optical mice |
| 15:02.49 | PerfDave | vwirem: If you do what I suggested above, then new versions of emacs from upstream will overwrite your package unless you pin it. |
| 15:03.06 | MoonDoggie | my cd burner burnt out |
| 15:03.06 | jetscreamer | has anybody ever done any benchmarks comparing the nvidia .deb and the .run's performance? |
| 15:03.12 | directhex|work | Zap-W, hell no |
| 15:03.22 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, no difference, they're the same thing |
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| 15:03.38 | vwirem | PerfDave, ok. thanks a lot for the info! |
| 15:03.38 | Delph | Zap-W: welcome to the new world. Its New because we make the old things break so you buy more. |
| 15:03.40 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Just the .deb doesn't screw your system ;) |
| 15:04.04 | sml | alex_joni: you need openssl req -x509 -new -keyout mykey.pem -out cert.pem -days 360 -config /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf |
| 15:04.09 | directhex|work | Zap-W, anything with a mechanical component will fail eventually. even silicon will suffer data rot & go to silicon heaven |
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| 15:04.23 | sml | alex_joni: you still need to use the req utility even if you are self-signing. i just tried it. works fine for me. |
| 15:04.24 | jetscreamer | well the .run doesn't... i thought there was some proprietary stuff in the .run that would make it different from the debian glx package stuff. |
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| 15:04.40 | jetscreamer | so the only difference is the packaging? |
| 15:04.51 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Uhm, which .deb are you talking about? |
| 15:04.53 | Borgon | Anyone here experience with xen? i editted /boot/grub/menu.lst and when i reboot .. it says file not found.. i double check and the files exsist.. what could be the problem? |
| 15:05.19 | bob2 | come on dude |
| 15:05.24 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, there is no difference, except one is safe & tracked by dpkg, one sows the seeds of a borked system |
| 15:05.26 | bob2 | we already told you where to get help |
| 15:05.32 | jetscreamer | PerfDave, whatever .deb(s) it is that you need to get nvidia card 3d |
| 15:05.45 | alex_joni | sml: seems to work, entering info now |
| 15:06.00 | directhex|work | wonder why there's no ia64 nvidia-glx package |
| 15:06.23 | sml | alex_joni: :) it gets the defaults from the openssl.cnf but you can override ALL/(most of?) the options from the command line. |
| 15:06.49 | sml | so in theory you can hand roll a one off self-signed tailor made certificate straight out the box without worrying about the default debian openssl.cnf |
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| 15:07.04 | alex_joni | sml: I have two .pem's now |
| 15:07.05 | sml | dpkg-reconfigure openssl , will prolly help you set good defaults. |
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| 15:07.16 | sml | alex_joni: ok one is your KEY.. which will be passphrase protected. |
| 15:07.18 | alex_joni | should I install it in /etc/ssl/certs/ |
| 15:07.18 | pro | i'll take that as a no, with regards to working a samsung e700 cell phone on linux |
| 15:07.20 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a language war |
| 15:07.21 | ravenbird | Logo is more readable than C |
| 15:07.22 | sml | alex_joni: the other one is your PUBLIC certificate |
| 15:07.30 | alex_joni | mykey.pem I presume ;) |
| 15:07.42 | sml | alex_joni: both will be PEM encoded unless you have DER specified in your openssl.cnf |
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| 15:07.59 | sml | alex_joni: yes :) you can remove the passphrase with "openssl rsa" |
| 15:08.01 | Delph | pro: use a phone with a memory card. |
| 15:08.09 | Delph | (is my considered suggestion) |
| 15:08.11 | alex_joni | sml: should I do that? |
| 15:08.16 | sml | alex_joni: no. |
| 15:08.18 | pro | ravenbird, yeah, it is, thats why i write stuff for the kernel using logo |
| 15:08.18 | ravenbird | pro: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 15:08.19 | alex_joni | ok ;) |
| 15:08.19 | Delph | (mass storage ++) |
| 15:08.38 | alex_joni | copying the cert.pem to /etc/ssl/certs/ |
| 15:08.39 | pro | Delph, its too late, the phone i have had for maybe 2 years |
| 15:08.48 | pro | no, wait, a year and a bit |
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| 15:09.01 | Delph | pro: no; get another phone, bluetooth / IR the photos off the restricted phone. |
| 15:09.37 | pro | Delph, ok cool you can get me anyone you want, my shipping address is........... |
| 15:09.39 | directhex|work | bluetooth is great |
| 15:09.49 | Delph | pro: didn't say you didn't have to spend money. |
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| 15:10.02 | Delph | pro: so bluetoothing it directly to the computer? |
| 15:10.06 | pro | but it still does not help, i have over 100 pics on the phone |
| 15:10.09 | abrotman | directhex|work: find me a bluetooth trackball! |
| 15:10.19 | pro | Delph, the e700 does not have bluetooth |
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| 15:10.29 | jethro | bluetooth sucks goats |
| 15:10.33 | sml | alex_joni: when the client wants to send data to the server it sends a challenge repsonse encruypted using your certificate to your server. your server uses the key to decrypt the challenge and sends the same token back to the client as proof that it was recieved. then the client and server engage in cipher negotiation (unless you're using client certificates as well) and voila you are then using 128 bit RSA, or whatever the highest common |
| 15:10.40 | jethro | but if you wanna send pictures in clubs |
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| 15:11.11 | asg | jethro: one dark image with a lense flare is just like any other |
| 15:11.14 | alex_joni | sml: I still have some basic concepts in the back of my head ;) but thanks for the quick info |
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| 15:11.16 | pro | and there is no way im going to be able to get all thoes girls to take their kit off so i can take more photos of them (kidding, my GF would denutme) |
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| 15:11.36 | jethro | asg: previously shot pictures, forgot to detail :) |
| 15:11.39 | PerfDave | jethro: I have a picture on my bluetooth phone called "naked chick" which is a picture of a can of spam, which I send to people at random over bluetooth. |
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| 15:12.13 | alex_joni | sml: what imapd are you running? |
| 15:12.21 | jethro | PerfDave: some chicks are so easy you just need to send'em a picture and they will call you the next hour/morning/week |
| 15:12.26 | sml | only the initial exchange is done using PKI coz its too slow. a session key is then used for a stream cipher key , so you then end up using something like AES (rajaendel or whatever its called) or RSA etc etc since its far far faster. the pki part only happens during the SSL handshake. if you need to debug this "horde" program i would therefore suggest "openssl s_client" :) |
| 15:12.31 | sml | alex_joni: i dont run impad. |
| 15:12.38 | alex_joni | bummer |
| 15:12.41 | directhex|work | PerfDave, nice. I just use bluejacker on my palm |
| 15:12.43 | PerfDave | jethro: That depends what it's a picture of ;p |
| 15:12.44 | sml | heh :) |
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| 15:12.52 | jethro | PerfDave: heh |
| 15:12.53 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Ooh, another reason to get a Tungsten ;) |
| 15:13.15 | directhex|work | PerfDave, if you can afford, the tungstens are rather lovely |
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| 15:13.43 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Well, it's winning out over the Zaurus so far, I have a couple of other things to enter into my Feature Comparison Matrix before I fork out though. |
| 15:13.49 | blowfish | hello |
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| 15:13.58 | sml | alex_joni: i do run my own in-house CA to generate client certificates for a secure web site i admin though.. i use client certificates for authentication. |
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| 15:14.08 | alex_joni | sml: nice... |
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| 15:14.24 | alex_joni | sml: I have no ideea what imapd I should install, dovecot seems to be a pain ;) |
| 15:14.26 | directhex|work | PerfDave, at £250+, i don't blame you |
| 15:14.41 | directhex|work | PerfDave, do you have a column for 'but does it run linux?'? |
| 15:14.51 | sml | even though im supposed to be a programmmer here. i get given admin jobs all the time... like this bloody new oracle server with its 2GB ram :) mind you coz i set it up i did get to put debian on it, which is a plus :) |
| 15:14.58 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Hmm, they seem to only be around £200. |
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| 15:15.12 | puchu | hello |
| 15:15.15 | PerfDave | directhex|work: No, but familiarity (and Freedom) of applications is a factor. |
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| 15:15.17 | sml | alex_joni: well i think you've sussed out openssl. its simple once you get the hang of it. im sure someone here can recommend an alternative |
| 15:15.24 | blowfish | there is any solving issue for : PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/apd.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/apd.so: undefined symbol: alloc_globals in Unknown on line 0 |
| 15:15.25 | directhex|work | PerfDave, still more than i could afford |
| 15:15.25 | blowfish | ? |
| 15:15.38 | asg | jethro: ah |
| 15:15.43 | sml | blowfish: is twofish your bro ? |
| 15:15.56 | blowfish | sml no |
| 15:15.58 | blowfish | my cousin |
| 15:15.59 | blowfish | :> |
| 15:15.59 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Looking at the Palm feature comparison thing, it's a tossup between a T3 and a T5. The T5 is *much* nicer but the T3 has a memo recorder facility. |
| 15:16.01 | blowfish | COUSIN VILLY |
| 15:16.16 | puchu | my progs with nls support dont encode german chars the right way, i use german localisation |
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| 15:16.21 | sml | Ok I better get some codin done. |
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| 15:16.25 | puchu | what can i do? |
| 15:16.28 | puchu | please help |
| 15:16.34 | sml | alex_joni: have fun dude. :) |
| 15:17.03 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:17.25 | puchu | like wget Auflösen des Hostnamen »test« |
| 15:17.53 | jethro | !de |
| 15:17.53 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 15:18.11 | marinos | heh |
| 15:18.15 | puchu | i use gentoo and the people at gentoo cant help me |
| 15:18.20 | puchu | :( |
| 15:18.28 | jethro | !curse puchu |
| 15:18.29 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, puchu ! |
| 15:18.36 | stew | yikes |
| 15:18.42 | marinos | brrr |
| 15:18.43 | jethro | he deserved it |
| 15:18.54 | xoff | dpkg: it#s just a fact that germans are not friendly |
| 15:18.54 | dpkg | xoff: okay |
| 15:19.05 | Phated | Oi. |
| 15:19.05 | PerfDave | greycat: 15:18 < puchu> i use gentoo and the people at gentoo cant help me |
| 15:19.11 | puchu | is someone of you using gentoo |
| 15:19.12 | sml | puchu: if you use gentoo there is a howto on this very subject in their docs. go RTFM |
| 15:19.16 | jethro | !gentoosmite |
| 15:19.18 | blowfish | so no solving issue for my problem? |
| 15:19.20 | jethro | puchu: no |
| 15:19.23 | marinos | puchu: anyway that means that you probably not have setup any nameservers (dns) |
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| 15:19.33 | greycat | puchu: no, we use Debian. You can use Debian too. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:19.51 | speedy | how to read txt.gz file without extracting? |
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| 15:19.53 | puchu | i read the doc and everything is set the right way but not displayed the right way :( |
| 15:19.57 | jethro | speedy: vim |
| 15:20.02 | Phated | zless. |
| 15:20.03 | jethro | speedy: or zless zlcat |
| 15:20.06 | jethro | speedy: or zless /zcat |
| 15:20.11 | speedy | thanks |
| 15:20.12 | jethro | speedy: or even zmore |
| 15:20.18 | puchu | i read the doc and everything is set the right way but the chars are not displayed the right way :( |
| 15:20.19 | greycat | puchu: have you installed Debian yet? |
| 15:20.21 | stew | blowfish: did you check the bts? |
| 15:20.23 | sml | puchu: you really shouldn't be using gentoo if you haven't used linux for a while. if you're having problems with locales then it appears you havent |
| 15:20.31 | puchu | no i like gentoo have 3 of them |
| 15:20.37 | jethro | puchu: if you install debian, you can come back and ask, and expect answers |
| 15:20.37 | alex_joni | sml: thanks for the help dude ;) |
| 15:20.41 | greycat | puchu: then you're off topic here. |
| 15:20.48 | blowfish | i get this error on apd.so : undefined symbol: alloc_globals in Unknown on line 0 |
| 15:20.49 | puchu | i use linux for 3 years now |
| 15:20.51 | jethro | puchu: you should not like a system which has no support channel, or pointless support channel :) |
| 15:20.53 | blowfish | there is any solveing hints? |
| 15:20.56 | greycat | puchu: so what? I've used it for 12. |
| 15:21.02 | alex_joni | sml: I installed courier-imapd in the meaning time |
| 15:21.09 | sml | alex_joni: ok :) |
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| 15:21.17 | jethro | greycat: you started with the 50 floppies distro? :) |
| 15:21.26 | greycat | jethro: five and a quarter, baby. |
| 15:21.26 | puchu | i only have the prob at my amd64 machine the others work like a charm |
| 15:21.29 | jethro | greycat: or was it still punch card time by then? |
| 15:21.36 | jethro | greycat: heh |
| 15:21.48 | greycat | I didn't have 50 of them, though. More like 20. |
| 15:22.00 | stew | it was 23 when i started with yggsdrasil |
| 15:22.05 | jethro | my first linux distro was fitting in like 50 5 1/4 iirc |
| 15:22.12 | sml | puchu: Did you not read what I said. There is documentation on exactly this under the installation section on the gentoo website. Maybe this is why the people in the other channel didn't help. |
| 15:22.18 | jethro | I was so young at that time, and linux was the least of my worries :) |
| 15:22.35 | jethro | but daddy kicked my butt |
| 15:23.09 | sml | I started using linux back when I had no money and needed a compiler. |
| 15:23.11 | sml | :) |
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| 15:23.13 | jethro | :) |
| 15:23.14 | puchu | sml: i read their guide, it worked at 2 of 3 pcs :( |
| 15:23.24 | jethro | !tell puchu about pebcak |
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| 15:23.46 | jethro | hah |
| 15:24.12 | doublehp_ | I am using SID updated 3days ago ... is there a way to get mysql5 through APT ? |
| 15:24.22 | asg | doublehp_: /msg dpkg search, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:24.27 | sml | puchu: most of the people here are not very fond of gentoo you'd be far better off being patient in the #gentoo channel. |
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| 15:24.36 | stew | sml: stop feeding the troll |
| 15:24.40 | sml | since this is , after all, the debian channel |
| 15:24.55 | sml | stew: I dont think he/she is trolling. otherwise i'd have used ignore. |
| 15:25.10 | sml | Seems like a typical gentoo user :) |
| 15:25.23 | puchu | stew: fuck you can'T i ask a question if i maybe can find a solution here |
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| 15:25.37 | jethro | puchu: don't be rude |
| 15:25.41 | puchu | okay |
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| 15:25.54 | PerfDave | !praise greycat |
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| 15:26.29 | sml | !seen golg* |
| 15:26.29 | dpkg | sml: i haven't seen 'golg*' |
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| 15:28.40 | newbie-wan | i've got a question about a debian install ... i've found that even the sarge installer (boot from cd) is unstable on my a7n8x (Athlon XP 2500+) ... I'm out of clues |
| 15:29.00 | muaddib | Does anyone use freeradius |
| 15:29.14 | R1ck | what powerdns release do you suggest for woody? |
| 15:29.20 | PerfDave | newbie-wan: Define "unstable" |
| 15:29.23 | muaddib | Question I am trying to configure eap-ttls for my radius enviroment and I am having an Issue. I am trying to get password too authenticate to our LDAP server, but my problem is that I don't store the password in the LDAP database I get it from another source (kerberos). So when configuring eap is it possible to make an EAP type using PAP instead of the other default ones line (MSCHAP, MD5 SIM) |
| 15:29.28 | muaddib | for freeradius |
| 15:29.29 | pto | newbie-wan: could it be a hardware problem? |
| 15:29.52 | newbie-wan | pd: it stalls at different parts of the installl - or it finishes and hangs when I run it |
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| 15:30.12 | asg | muaddib: did you ask in #freeradius yet? |
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| 15:30.18 | newbie-wan | pto: was running XP and mandrake fine - just wanted it to run debian instead |
| 15:30.22 | muaddib | asg: no awake yet |
| 15:30.39 | directhex|work | Newbie-Debian, the RC2 installer, or an older one? |
| 15:31.12 | newbie-wan | d|w: I think it is the rc2 installer, but I've tried a couple of them |
| 15:31.14 | blowfish | i get this error in error.log in apache2 : /usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/apd.so: undefined symbol: alloc_globals in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 15:31.35 | stew | blowfish: did you check the bts? |
| 15:31.36 | newbie-wan | it usually dies in about 5 minutes |
| 15:31.46 | bob2 | haha php. |
| 15:31.46 | PerfDave | newbie-wan: Did you read the release notes for the installer? |
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| 15:31.58 | PerfDave | newbie-wan: Have you filed a bug report? |
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| 15:32.16 | jetscreamer | newbie-wan, it also might be good to use a daily build |
| 15:32.20 | abrotman | or a daily |
| 15:32.39 | jethro | newbie-wan: instead of XP ? |
| 15:32.39 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 15:32.42 | newbie-wan | pd: yes - but I haven't messed with it too much. I also tried changing my bios settings (turning of APIC [I think that's what it was called]) |
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| 15:33.10 | PerfDave | newbie-wan: Try asking on #debian-boot, try the latest build of the installer, read the release notes and file a bug report if you can't get it to work. |
| 15:33.23 | newbie-wan | I'll try a dailiy build tonight - I was tempted to try the stable this morning |
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| 15:33.44 | newbie-wan | pd: ok - thanks, I'll give that a shot |
| 15:33.51 | jetscreamer | newbie-wan, if ioapic was enabled in your bios to start with, you should put it back probably, because linux enables it. btw linux kinda bypasses bios for everything or something. |
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| 15:34.36 | directhex|work | !tell newbie-wan about woody hardware support |
| 15:34.36 | blowfish | the wierd thing i got the file in /usr/lib/php4/20020429 and php read the extension from : /usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts |
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| 15:34.43 | blowfish | stew yes i do |
| 15:34.48 | jetscreamer | but it's the sarge installer |
| 15:34.48 | newbie-wan | jetscreamer: true - but I also had to pull my SATA drive because all distros were hanging in that |
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| 15:34.55 | blowfish | there is no problem i made the symlink |
| 15:35.00 | blowfish | now i dont know why i get that wierd error |
| 15:35.06 | zluka | hello |
| 15:35.13 | zluka | does anyone use torsmo here? |
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| 15:35.19 | maco-away | hi all |
| 15:35.23 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 15:35.23 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:35.40 | stew | blowfish: what simlink did you make by hand? did you install the lib by hand? |
| 15:35.54 | pder | I am missing something with how to use apt-zip to upgrade a non-networked computer. If I want to install packages on this machine not on a network, dont I need to get a list of available packages using apt-get update? |
| 15:35.56 | maco-away | where do I set up dns domain name in debian sarge ? |
| 15:36.01 | blowfish | stew i instal apt-get install php4-apd |
| 15:36.06 | blowfish | and made the symlink by hand |
| 15:36.14 | stew | blowfish: what symlink, why? |
| 15:36.18 | jethro | zluka: yes I did |
| 15:36.35 | pro | blowfish, are you the guy that used to sing with hootie? |
| 15:36.39 | stew | blowfish: and which version of debian is this? |
| 15:36.45 | zluka | jethro: did yo have problem like that: |
| 15:36.50 | jethro | zluka: no |
| 15:36.51 | zluka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.51 | zluka | Floating point exception |
| 15:36.54 | blowfish | cause the installer put the apd.so in /usr/lib/php4/20020429 and php.ini read the extension from this folder : /usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts |
| 15:37.22 | stew | blowfish: where did the php.ini come from? who put the -zts on there? you? debconf? |
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| 15:37.27 | zluka | jethro: its in the second time on 2nd distib... %) |
| 15:37.30 | zluka | %( |
| 15:37.45 | zluka | i dont know what to do.. |
| 15:37.46 | jethro | zluka: you don't make no sense |
| 15:37.50 | blowfish | stew now u confused me alot |
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| 15:37.54 | jethro | zluka: please make an effort, and be understandable |
| 15:37.54 | TinoW | hi |
| 15:38.11 | COReE | TinoW, hi |
| 15:38.17 | TinoW | hi COReE |
| 15:38.18 | blowfish | stew i add into php.ini : extension=apd.so |
| 15:38.21 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.23 | blowfish | and i get that error |
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| 15:38.29 | blowfish | so it cant load the extension |
| 15:38.31 | jetscreamer | maco ^^ |
| 15:38.40 | zluka | jethro i'll try. PS: sorry for my englesh |
| 15:38.51 | stew | blowfish: what version of debian? |
| 15:39.02 | jethro | zluka: no problem, I have the very same problem, and lack a whole lot of english words in my vocabulary, but still I do my best :p |
| 15:39.18 | blowfish | sid version stwe |
| 15:39.20 | blowfish | sid version stew |
| 15:39.32 | zluka | :) |
| 15:40.03 | clarence | "python foo.py" works, but putting "#!/usr/bin/python" at the top of foo.py then trying to run foo.py just does nothing til i break it. help? |
| 15:40.08 | stew | blowfish: and apt-get told you: "To enable it you need to add these lines: zend_extension=/usr/lib/php4/20020429/apd.so..." right? |
| 15:40.11 | stew | blowfish: did you do that? |
| 15:40.14 | blowfish | yes |
| 15:40.17 | thnee | i have just installed php4 package but apache doees not recognize it, so i go to add "LoadModule php4_module ..." to apache2.conf, but i havent got the file libphp4.so anywhere? only a old one in the apache 1.3 folder |
| 15:40.19 | blowfish | i said Y |
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| 15:40.47 | thnee | must i download this file separetly? |
| 15:41.00 | kevinz | oops, debian makes my laptop warmer than windows, weird |
| 15:41.17 | blowfish | OMG |
| 15:41.23 | sml | kevinz: that's coz under windows your laptop was never utilized fully. |
| 15:41.29 | thnee | maybe you havent got the cpu freq scaling on? |
| 15:41.38 | snail | clarence: "which python" will tell you where python is for the #! line |
| 15:41.53 | nnk | kevinz: w or w/o athlon power now enabled ? ;) |
| 15:41.58 | clarence | snail: thanks |
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| 15:42.22 | stew | blowfish: so you said Y, it edited php.ini for you, then you also edited php.ini? |
| 15:42.48 | blowfish | yes |
| 15:43.01 | PerfDave | thnee: Did you install libapache-mod-php4 ? |
| 15:43.01 | thnee | stew: do you know what i can do about this libphp4.so file? |
| 15:43.06 | blowfish | stew if i didnt do that i would get an error : no such file or directory |
| 15:43.11 | thnee | no i didnt PerfDave |
| 15:43.12 | jetscreamer | omfg my consoles are blank/black |
| 15:43.14 | maco | jetscreamer thanks |
| 15:43.17 | PerfDave | thnee: That's what you need. |
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| 15:43.26 | thnee | i see |
| 15:43.35 | stew | blowfish: thats not the case here |
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| 15:44.12 | thnee | PerfDave: for libapache-mod-php4 even though its apache2? |
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| 15:44.14 | ArtyObs | how do you create data dvds in debian? |
| 15:44.30 | PerfDave | thnee: Sorry, you need libapache2-mod-php4 for apache2 |
| 15:44.33 | Borgon | dvs |
| 15:44.34 | PerfDave | ArtyObs: k3b ? |
| 15:44.35 | SlayerXP | ArtyObs: the same way as any other linux distro |
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| 15:44.40 | dvs | Borgon: |
| 15:44.46 | thnee | thought so :) |
| 15:44.49 | ArtyObs | PerfDave: k3b can't find the blank dvd |
| 15:45.03 | jethro | ArtyObs: spank it then |
| 15:45.22 | stew | blowfish: where did that -zts directory come from? is that where the .so is actually located? |
| 15:45.37 | PerfDave | ArtyObs: What do you mean, "can't find"? |
| 15:45.56 | nnk | kevinz: there are 2 packages you could enjoy if you have an athlon cpu on your laptop: athcool and athlonpowernow (apt-cache search, cant remember the name) |
| 15:46.09 | blowfish | stew nope that is the extension directory for php |
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| 15:46.30 | blowfish | apd.so install in /usr/lib/php4/20020429 |
| 15:46.34 | Borgon | dvs, your name looks familiar, are you experience with xen? |
| 15:46.41 | dvs | Borgon: nope |
| 15:46.53 | clarence | snail: its /usr/bin/python |
| 15:46.54 | blowfish | but i dont know why php.ini use this directory for extension /usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts |
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| 15:47.14 | ArtyObs | PerfDave: no media found |
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| 15:47.39 | stew | blowfish: what version of php4 do you have installed? (dpkg -l php4) |
| 15:47.40 | ArtyObs | media not recognized as recordable dvbd |
| 15:47.42 | ArtyObs | dvd |
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| 15:48.03 | PerfDave | ArtyObs: Do you have a blank DVD in the drive? |
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| 15:48.20 | blowfish | 4.3.10-5 |
| 15:48.20 | ArtyObs | PerfDave: yes, i do |
| 15:48.30 | PerfDave | ArtyObs: Is k3b detecting the drive correctly? |
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| 15:48.49 | greycat | hell with that. is *cdrecord* detecting it? |
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| 15:48.52 | ArtyObs | PerfDave: yes, it gives the right model and there is no error until it tries to write |
| 15:49.13 | gilles_ | how to know how much space do i still have on my harddisk ? |
| 15:49.15 | doublehp_ | is there an easy way to export/dump mysql base to postgre ? |
| 15:49.19 | ArtyObs | greycat: how do i check |
| 15:49.20 | asg | gilles_: df -h |
| 15:49.23 | PerfDave | doublehp_: No |
| 15:49.35 | PerfDave | greycat: k3b's diagnostic thing shows the output from cdrecord IIRC. |
| 15:49.53 | greycat | nobody, nobody, NOBODY should be using a fucking GUI to do something he doesn't know how to do manually. |
| 15:50.12 | PerfDave | greycat: Am I allowed to use k3b because I got bored of mkisofs and cdrecord then? ;) |
| 15:50.16 | greycat | PerfDave: yes. |
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| 15:50.24 | sml | greycat: why would someone that knows how to do something manualy ever use a GUI ? |
| 15:50.27 | thnee | is there any dc-hub you woulc recommend? i was thinking of using verlihub |
| 15:50.32 | TinoW | gna. "postgre" |
| 15:50.34 | greycat | sml: most of us don't. :) |
| 15:50.45 | TinoW | where do people read that? :) |
| 15:50.54 | dsl456 | does anyone here know how to list channels in nIRC |
| 15:50.55 | greycat | TinoW: PostgreSQL |
| 15:50.57 | doublehp_ | greycat: nobody who knows how to do things through GUI ever do it CLI ... thats a sad fact ; I am with you. |
| 15:51.00 | sml | dsl456: "/list" |
| 15:51.04 | TinoW | graytron: well done :) |
| 15:51.06 | gilles_ | I had the following error msg when installing postgresql with aptitutde: postgresql failed to start. /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d is probably broken. Stopping PostgreSQL database server: postmasterpg_ctl: could not find /var/lib/postgres/data/postmaster.pid Is postmaster running? . Starting PostgreSQL data (...) What should I do ? |
| 15:51.12 | ArtyObs | ok, how do i burn a dvd on command line |
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| 15:51.30 | greycat | ArtyObs: cdrecord-prodvd -v dev=0,0,0 image |
| 15:51.35 | TinoW | burn --on-a-stake --yes-really /dev/dvd |
| 15:51.40 | dsl456 | that doesnt work |
| 15:51.43 | asg | gilles_: check the bts |
| 15:51.51 | greycat | oh, but you're probably on 2.6.x. so you can't use SCSI. so you have to figure out whether it's ATA: or ATAPI: this week. Etc. etc. |
| 15:51.59 | ArtyObs | greycat: image being the iso file created by another program? |
| 15:51.59 | gilles_ | asg: what's that ? |
| 15:52.03 | asg | gilles_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:52.15 | sml | try , /list *linux* |
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| 15:52.23 | ArtyObs | E: Couldn't find package cdrecord-prodvd |
| 15:52.27 | greycat | and you may need to add driveropts=burnfree |
| 15:52.29 | dsl456 | thats the first think i tried |
| 15:52.32 | greycat | ArtyObs: it's non-free. |
| 15:52.34 | Borgon | Anyone here experieneced with xen? |
| 15:52.35 | clarence | craft/Interface/AddOns$ /usr/bin/python |
| 15:52.35 | clarence | Python 2.3.5c1 (#2, Jan 27 2005, 09:42:28) |
| 15:52.39 | clarence | mispaste, sorry |
| 15:52.41 | asg | Borgon: no, we use uml |
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| 15:53.00 | clarence | : bad interpreter: No such file or directory <---- from trying to use #!/usr/bin/python |
| 15:53.08 | asg | clarence: apt-get install python |
| 15:53.11 | greycat | clarence: you have a CR before your LF. |
| 15:53.17 | Borgon | asg, yuck, why? |
| 15:53.21 | stew | blowfish: ok last time, lemme make sure i'm understanding you here, when you put zend_extension=/usr/lib/php4/20020429/apd.so in your php.ini, you get a file not found error looking for zend_extension=/usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/apd.so ?? sounds like maybe you should file a bug |
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| 15:53.25 | greycat | you can tell because the /usr/bin/python^M shows up as a blank string. |
| 15:53.31 | asg | Borgon: because it works and I don't have to ask about it in here all day long |
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| 15:53.39 | sml | is xen a modelling language ? |
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| 15:53.47 | asg | sml: no, virtualization |
| 15:53.48 | stew | sml: /msg dpkg xen |
| 15:53.53 | clarence | asg: how stupid do i look today? |
| 15:54.03 | blowfish | stew i dona try again and remove / install it |
| 15:54.05 | blowfish | maybe will work |
| 15:54.10 | blowfish | dont know what to do anymore |
| 15:54.18 | stew | blowfish: if that doesn't work file a bug |
| 15:54.18 | blowfish | brb in a zip |
| 15:54.19 | asg | clarence: I've seen that with people who installed python2.2 but not the python package which provides the link /usr/bin/python |
| 15:54.23 | gothtec | clarence: 0,415? |
| 15:54.25 | clarence | greycat: what package includes dos2unix? |
| 15:54.27 | greycat | clarence: we assume that unknown people in this channel are stupid until proven otherwise. it helps in the long run. |
| 15:54.32 | greycat | clarence: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
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| 15:54.46 | TinoW | tr can do this as well, or sed |
| 15:54.49 | ArtyObs | how do i create an image of a directory? |
| 15:54.51 | greycat | or vi. |
| 15:54.52 | FieldySnuts | @lart systems still infected with codered hammering my servers |
| 15:54.58 | greycat | ArtyObs: mkisofs |
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| 15:55.05 | FieldySnuts | that's a new one |
| 15:55.09 | clarence | thanks |
| 15:55.13 | asg | clarence: we also get lots of people who can't get sound to work and one reason is due to the fact that the speakers aren't plugged in. Therefore, it helps to get the dumbass questions out of the way first. |
| 15:55.37 | Borgon | Hi, I am running raid, IF i add module /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-xen0 root=/dev/md0 ro console=tty0 to /boot/grub/menu.lst ... And i get a "file not found error" What could be the issue? can /dev/md0 be called at boot? |
| 15:56.02 | abrotman | #grub |
| 15:56.07 | abrotman | for the 5th damn time |
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| 15:56.30 | Gnom | i can not type any text into my login menager GDm nor in Xdm (the simple one). i can only type integers. how do i fix this? |
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| 15:56.38 | ArtyObs | greycat: i put non-free in my sources list, ran apt-get update and i still get Couldn't find package cdrecord-prodvd |
| 15:56.41 | gothtec | asg: had this guy at work who's computer "didn't work". the tech department had taken the box away to repair it and he was sitting there staring at a black screen banging on an unplugged keyboard |
| 15:56.42 | Drizzt321|ssh | I'm trying to get X started, and as root it starts fine, but as user(with group video), it says user not authorized to run Xserver. this is a new install, and this is not using gdm/xdm/*dm |
| 15:56.49 | greycat | ArtyObs: who ever said it was IN debian? |
| 15:56.54 | asg | gothtec: yep, seen that too |
| 15:57.14 | ArtyObs | so, you can't burn dvd in debian? |
| 15:57.37 | greycat | ArtyObs: the simple fact is that there are only two and a half ways known to mankind to burn DVDs in Linux: cdrecord-prodvd (non-free, not packaged, requires a license key that you have to download every 6 months); dvd+rw-tools; and "dvdrecord", a barely-supported hack of cdrecord. |
| 15:57.41 | asg | gothtec: had network guys get all flustered because they were logged into the wrong switch. |
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| 15:57.47 | blowfish | stew now it works |
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| 15:57.55 | gothtec | asg: splendid |
| 15:57.56 | gilles_ | how to install a package with all its dependances with aptitude ? |
| 15:57.58 | blowfish | no error message on logs |
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| 15:58.03 | asg | gothtec: ;) |
| 15:58.05 | blowfish | thanks for putting up with me |
| 15:58.27 | greycat | and it's down to ONE and a half if you're not on Linux (e.g. our HP-UX machines), because dvd+rw-tools doesn't run on HP-UX 10. |
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| 15:59.00 | ArtyObs | dvd+rw-tools works on freebsd |
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| 15:59.17 | bskjs | hey guys, am looking to download the full debian ISO to burn to a cd and install |
| 15:59.29 | greycat | speaking of which... the last cdrecord-prodvd key is from 2004-08-19. So it's about to be That Time Again. |
| 15:59.32 | asg | bskjs: www.debian.org/cd |
| 15:59.36 | bskjs | ftp://ftp.leo.org/debian-cd/images/current/i386/ which one do I need? am confused |
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| 15:59.50 | asg | bah |
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| 16:00.08 | kevinz | oops, i just left my laptop idling except that it is connecting to network, but the temperatur keep high, it is intel centrino |
| 16:00.23 | asg | bskjs: at least the first one. If you have a supported working network, use a net install iso instead (/msg dpkg netinst) |
| 16:00.24 | stew | bskjs: just the furst |
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| 16:00.56 | asg | kevinz: powernowd if it supports it |
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| 16:01.14 | Covener | kevinz: cpufreqd or something like that might help, make sure your kernel has cpufreq support |
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| 16:03.01 | bskjs | ok, debian-update-3.0r4-i386-1.iso it is? |
| 16:03.11 | abrotman | bskjs: is this for a server or workstatoin? |
| 16:03.33 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone know how to create the fundraiser chart that shows up in ascii when logging into freenode? Is that done with ps2ascii? |
| 16:03.39 | bskjs | workstation |
| 16:03.52 | abrotman | bskjs: and with broadband ? |
| 16:03.59 | bskjs | of course |
| 16:04.04 | abrotman | !d-i bskjs |
| 16:04.05 | dpkg | bskjs, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:05.08 | bskjs | everyone else's? |
| 16:05.29 | reNegad3 | whats the package for dns utilities?? ive tried apt-get install dns-utils... |
| 16:05.56 | stew | bskjs: that is a much newer installer that is more likely to get you up and running without having to come back here and ask us questions :) |
| 16:05.59 | abrotman | reNegad3: which util ? |
| 16:06.08 | sgeigerbot | reNegad3: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 16:06.09 | reNegad3 | i need to use dig |
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| 16:06.33 | bskjs | stew, oh ok. Is IRC just to sit in and not answer questions? |
| 16:06.33 | stew | !find usr/bin/dig |
| 16:06.39 | thnee | is there any dc-hub you woulc recommend? i was thinking of using verlihub |
| 16:06.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/bin/dig' (6 shown): (/usr/bin/digestp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/digikam) in graphics/digikam ;; (/usr/bin/digestify) in non-free/mail/mush ;; (/usr/bin/digikamdcrawclient) in graphics/digikamplugins ;; (/usr/bin/{digitemp_DS2490|digitemp_DS9097|digitemp_DS9097U}) in electronics/digitemp. |
| 16:07.00 | stew | reNegad3: ^^ dnsutils (/msg dpkg search) |
| 16:07.10 | reNegad3 | ta |
| 16:07.19 | bucky | bskjs, irs is for noobs to ask a bunch of faq questions in a channel with 800 people |
| 16:07.55 | bskjs | bucky, how do you know am a noob? |
| 16:08.06 | abrotman | bskjs: woody is very old .. hardware support is stuck in .. 2002 i think .. installer is more difficult .. it's just easier and more fun if you use hte d-i installer |
| 16:08.11 | greycat | bskjs: it's written on your forehead in red letters. |
| 16:08.20 | stew | bskjs: i was just explaining what might be meant by the "everyone elses" part of the factoid |
| 16:08.21 | bucky | bskjs, you don't know which version to run and you don't know where the installer is |
| 16:08.24 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:08.26 | bskjs | greycat, heh |
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| 16:08.38 | greycat | (paraphrase of a Lois McMaster Bujold quote) |
| 16:08.49 | bskjs | Honest truth, am copying debian for a friend to try. I would never run it. |
| 16:09.02 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:09.08 | bucky | bskjs, let him ask the questions |
| 16:09.19 | abrotman | bskjs: why not? |
| 16:09.23 | bskjs | bucky, No? |
| 16:09.43 | bskjs | abrotman, I prefer DragonFly BSD |
| 16:09.52 | bucky | bskjs, you asked for help and now you get all snooty about it |
| 16:09.57 | abrotman | bskjs: eww .. you and Leimy .. dbsd freaks :) |
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| 16:10.08 | bskjs | bucky, No, I got told am a noob etc for no reason. I ask for help. |
| 16:10.16 | bskjs | abrotman, am a developer |
| 16:10.19 | bskjs | of dfbsd |
| 16:10.19 | abrotman | bskjs: i can appreciate what matt is trying to do .. hopefully it works |
| 16:10.20 | bucky | bskjs, well you got it |
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| 16:10.38 | bskjs | abrotman, sure will |
| 16:10.45 | bucky | bskjs, use the sarge installer at the url above |
| 16:10.46 | scatterp | how do i change screen setings monitor refresh rate grapics card .. also how do i change the os so x is not automaticly launched |
| 16:10.49 | bskjs | abrotman, keep an eye out for next release;) |
| 16:10.52 | jethro | !nickometer reNegad3 |
| 16:10.52 | dpkg | 'reNegad3' is 32.000% lame, jethro |
| 16:10.58 | jethro | only 32? |
| 16:10.59 | abrotman | bskjs: Leimy is a college friend .. he was getting into it for a bit . dunno if he committed anything .. i think he does opendarwin now |
| 16:10.59 | bskjs | bucky, ok, lemme check |
| 16:11.10 | bskjs | abrotman, what his real name? |
| 16:11.12 | reNegad3 | scatterp, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 16:11.20 | abrotman | bskjs: david leimbach |
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| 16:11.25 | reNegad3 | woOp |
| 16:11.27 | liamfoy | no idea, dont think so |
| 16:11.32 | scatterp | reNegad3 and how to stop x loading on bootup ? |
| 16:11.37 | liamfoy | only david I know is david rhodus |
| 16:11.41 | bucky | Leimy... is that like Pommie |
| 16:11.46 | reNegad3 | ahh |
| 16:11.52 | abrotman | liamfoy: ah well ... that last stuff he showed me was commits for xar or something |
| 16:11.54 | reNegad3 | i dont know :( |
| 16:11.56 | jethro | !curse getmail |
| 16:11.57 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, getmail ! |
| 16:11.57 | scatterp | k |
| 16:11.57 | reNegad3 | as I still am noob |
| 16:12.00 | abrotman | bucky: it's like his last name |
| 16:12.10 | bucky | i get it |
| 16:12.16 | liamfoy | abrotman, I do bits and bobs |
| 16:12.22 | liamfoy | abrotman, mostly userland |
| 16:12.22 | jethro | fucking python shit called getmail |
| 16:12.37 | liamfoy | http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/~liamfoy/ |
| 16:12.40 | abrotman | liamfoy: ah .. gotcha .. well .. dbsd certainly can't turn out worse than fbsd5 :) |
| 16:13.04 | reNegad3 | !nickometer jethro |
| 16:13.04 | jethro | what's so wrong with fbsd5 ? |
| 16:13.31 | liamfoy | abrotman, well, it's not finished yet |
| 16:13.36 | abrotman | liamfoy: i know |
| 16:13.38 | liamfoy | give it time |
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| 16:13.54 | nooob | hello |
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| 16:14.00 | abrotman | liamfoy: to get worse? :) |
| 16:14.12 | liamfoy | abrotman, who knows |
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| 16:14.42 | abrotman | liamfoy: did you get the image you need? |
| 16:14.51 | liamfoy | abrotman, reading the FAQ |
| 16:14.53 | abrotman | liamfoy: are you the one doing the install? |
| 16:15.01 | liamfoy | you need a "Here is what you need get this" link heh |
| 16:15.07 | liamfoy | abrotman, I imagine so |
| 16:15.17 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 16:15.17 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 16:15.18 | kevinz | l installed cpufreqd but my syslog has this "kernel: Warning: CPU frequency out of sync: cpufreq and timing core thinks of 600000, is 1400000 kHz." |
| 16:15.19 | abrotman | there? |
| 16:15.27 | nooob | its the first time I try debian and Im having problems with this dev filesystem it uses. Does debian need that to run properly? I dont want to bother with it unless it needs it |
| 16:15.42 | abrotman | nooob: yes .. you need it |
| 16:15.52 | nighter | someone have set up an netboot before , and maybe have a good howto that explains? |
| 16:15.57 | d0ugie | anyone know where gallery's conf file is located? |
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| 16:15.59 | abrotman | !netboot |
| 16:15.59 | dpkg | i guess netboot is put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt |
| 16:16.16 | liamfoy | abrotman, I'll look |
| 16:16.18 | abrotman | d0ugie: isn't there a website for gallery ? |
| 16:16.18 | CrypticSquared | hey just wondering if anyone can help me? |
| 16:16.23 | liamfoy | abrotman, probably just get that ISO |
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| 16:16.36 | abrotman | liamfoy: which iso ? |
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| 16:17.00 | greycat | !tell CrypticSquared about ask |
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| 16:17.26 | nooob | ok. then I guess I better learn it. the problem Im having is that when I try to startx it cannot find my mouse. I had to change XF86Config to point to /.dev/psaux for the primary input device and left the secondary alone. But then a user still cannot startx, but root can. Once root starts X /dev/input/mice appears and I can close X, log out of the root account and log back in with a user. obviously there must be a better way to do this. any ide |
| 16:17.27 | nooob | as? |
| 16:17.40 | abrotman | liamfoy: which iso ?? |
| 16:17.41 | abrotman | bah |
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| 16:17.49 | abrotman | nooob: you're using gnome ? |
| 16:18.01 | CrypticSquared | i just installed debian rc3 for the 4rth time, i goes through the install then updates the system, then i get to the login prompt, yet when i restart, all i get is LI???? |
| 16:18.09 | abrotman | !li |
| 16:18.09 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 16:18.18 | nooob | abrotman, gnome is what starts up by default. I dont want to use it, Id rather be using KDE, but I was gonna get to that after I fix this issue |
| 16:18.20 | greycat | there is no rc3. unless I missed a major announcement. |
| 16:18.45 | jaro | I have a question (maybe a little offtopic): I need to convert ape files to different formats (ogg,mp3,wav). Is there any package or program which can help me? |
| 16:18.57 | CrypticSquared | what ever the latest revision is called |
| 16:19.03 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.07 | greycat | I see no rc3 on that page. |
| 16:19.19 | greycat | !latest |
| 16:19.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, newest is *not* a useful answer. Newest 5 minutes ago? Newest 3 days ago? Newest in stable? testing? unstable? Is your mirror in sync? If someone asks what version of foo you have installed, paste the last line of "dpkg -l foo". For your kernel, use "uname -r". |
| 16:19.37 | ArtyObs | can i use mkisofs to prepare a dvd the same way as to prepare a cd iso? |
| 16:19.39 | CrypticSquared | r3 sorry |
| 16:19.39 | xenoduck | jaro: APE is a closed proprietary format and there are (currently) only tools for it for Windows. The MAC.exe command-line executable can be run with wine, though. |
| 16:19.47 | clarence | for remote X, is there anything better than dxpc for compression? |
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| 16:20.15 | dsl456 | and apes throw their feces at you |
| 16:20.20 | dsl456 | j/k |
| 16:20.25 | ArtyObs | lol |
| 16:21.12 | nooob | so, anyone have any ideas? btw, this also might have something to do with gdm failing to start at boot time (which is annoying but fine because I dont want to use gdm) |
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| 16:21.50 | jaro | xenoduck: ok then. But I suppose that there existed an utility for doing this which I've used under SuSE. But I'm not very sure. |
| 16:22.16 | tombs | hi everyone |
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| 16:22.25 | xenoduck | Hmm |
| 16:22.26 | reNegad3 | nooob, you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?? |
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| 16:22.37 | reNegad3 | i think ive said that twice now :) to another dude |
| 16:22.49 | reNegad3 | solved all my problems |
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| 16:23.24 | xenoduck | http://www.rarewares.org/debian-audio-lossless.html |
| 16:23.26 | xenoduck | Ah, well look at that. |
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| 16:23.30 | punsad | I just set up a debian box at work running sarge... all was going well... until I had to change my NT password... so I accordingly changed my equivalen linux password.. so that samba could still work.. but it didn't - any ideas? I can |
| 16:23.31 | martin_ | hey :) We're trying to install debian sarge on a vmware vm (host os is winxp) and it hangs after formatting the HD as ext3 |
| 16:23.38 | martin_ | any ideas? |
| 16:23.38 | nooob | reamtS, no. but what part of it would I want to reconfigure? |
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| 16:23.42 | scatterp | i have a dell d600 lattitude and i cant get in to x windows iver tryed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 a few times screen messes up looking like somethings wrong or set to high chosse generic minimums all the way |
| 16:23.42 | punsad | I can't login into my old shares |
| 16:23.53 | nooob | reNegad3, no. but what part of it would I want to reconfigure? |
| 16:23.54 | jethro | scatterp: what's the video card? |
| 16:24.02 | scatterp | rage 9000 |
| 16:24.10 | reNegad3 | i guess all of it |
| 16:24.16 | bucky | punsad, did you use smbpasswd to change it |
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| 16:24.44 | nooob | reNegad3, reconfigure it to do what? |
| 16:24.55 | martin_ | now it works. weird. anyway, tnx |
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| 16:25.00 | punsad | bucky: hmm... no - but that sounds really like what I should have done |
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| 16:25.27 | reNegad3 | you said it cant find your mouse |
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| 16:25.32 | d0ugie | holla bukkake |
| 16:25.35 | reNegad3 | well that would configure it |
| 16:25.37 | topa | !xserver |
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| 16:25.46 | punsad | bucky: any other words of advice? I take it I just man smbpasswd... |
| 16:25.47 | bob2 | d0ugie: no. |
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| 16:25.52 | topa | !X.org |
| 16:25.52 | dpkg | <daniels> x.org won't make it into sid for at least a while, possibly ever. right now we're working on making the modular tree (fd.o) actually work and be useful with the xfree86/xorg drivers, and that's where debian is probably going. Ask me about 'xorg' for more up-to-date information. http://tinyurl.com/5uo7a, or http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909#installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 16:26.11 | topa | !xorg |
| 16:26.11 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
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| 16:26.20 | nooob | reNegad3, the mouse is not there, thats why it cant find it. it only appears once root has used it via /.dev/psaux (which apparently other users cant use) |
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| 16:26.41 | nooob | so, theres really nowhere else I can point it to |
| 16:26.56 | nooblistic | d0ugie: that other name was too messy |
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| 16:27.03 | d0ugie | heh |
| 16:27.08 | dvs | AAAAhhh udev |
| 16:27.11 | ArtyObs | why is growisofs not in apts? |
| 16:27.14 | reNegad3 | /dev/null?? |
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| 16:27.22 | dvs | nooob: try /dev/input/mice |
| 16:27.25 | stew | ArtyObs: its in dvd+rw-tools |
| 16:27.30 | scatterp | jethro still here ? |
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| 16:27.37 | d0ugie | hey what's the flag for find if i want to search everything that contains [some text] |
| 16:27.47 | d0ugie | within the file |
| 16:27.49 | nooob | dvs, its not there until root has used it via /.dev/psaux (which other users seem unable to use) |
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| 16:28.35 | greycat | d0ugie: grep -r |
| 16:28.59 | d0ugie | so cat | grep -r blah? |
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| 16:29.07 | asg | !uuoc |
| 16:29.07 | dpkg | i heard uuoc is Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 16:29.17 | jethro | hahahaha |
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| 16:29.23 | stew | d0ugie: grep -r pattern /directory |
| 16:29.55 | scatterp | i have a dell d600 lattitude and i cant get in to x windows iver tryed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 a few times screen messes up looking like somethings wrong or set to high chosse generic minimums all the way |
| 16:29.55 | d0ugie | stew: and for all subs? |
| 16:29.55 | liamfoy | greycat, I checked my forehad, and I didnt see any writing? |
| 16:29.55 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 16:29.55 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 16:29.55 | d0ugie | hot damn i didn't know grep could do this too. |
| 16:29.56 | jethro | scatterp: what's the error message? no screen found? |
| 16:29.56 | liamfoy | forehead* |
| 16:29.56 | stew | d0ugie: man grep |
| 16:29.56 | CrypticSquared | i cant remember my user password for my other box, though i remember my root password, how do i change it? |
| 16:29.57 | dvs | nooob: lsmod | grep modprobe |
| 16:29.58 | asg | scatterp: choose the 'ati' driver |
| 16:30.02 | d0ugie | ok |
| 16:30.03 | d0ugie | thanks |
| 16:30.08 | greycat | CrypticSquared: man passwd |
| 16:30.09 | asg | scatterp: and a resolution of 1024x768 |
| 16:30.13 | scatterp | screen looks messed up jethro |
| 16:30.13 | CrypticSquared | thanks |
| 16:30.26 | jethro | scatterp: you need to look at log files |
| 16:30.34 | nooob | dvs, it doesnt find anything |
| 16:30.34 | scatterp | asg ok thanks monitor refresh resoloution |
| 16:30.35 | jethro | scatterp: your box will not whine that it lacks this and that |
| 16:30.36 | kevinz | i don't know how to use cpufreqd :( |
| 16:30.45 | jethro | scatterp: only logs can tell |
| 16:30.48 | dvs | nooob: As root "modprobe mousedev" |
| 16:30.55 | asg | scatterp: HorizSync 30-60 |
| 16:30.55 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.02 | scatterp | jethro ok let me try what asg said a sec |
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| 16:31.18 | asg | scatterp: you can probably tweak it higher but it works just peachy here |
| 16:31.21 | nooob | dvs, ok. I did that (there was no output) |
| 16:31.34 | dvs | nooob: Goood, lsmod | grep mousedev |
| 16:31.36 | jethro | asg: what's the screen like on a d600 ? |
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| 16:31.44 | pjharper | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
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| 16:31.54 | asg | jethro: I have the 1024x768 model, they have a 1400x1280 one too |
| 16:32.09 | pjharper | I tried googleing but can't get a clear meaning of what this means? |
| 16:32.10 | nooob | dvs, mousedev 9996 2 |
| 16:32.11 | asg | jethro: other than no suspend/resume and having to use ndiswrapper for the wireless, it's not bad |
| 16:32.17 | green_earz | CrypticSquared: i think its someing like, as root > passwd user-name |
| 16:32.19 | stew | pjharper: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:32.20 | asg | jethro: keyboard is shit though, like all post cpi latitudes |
| 16:32.22 | pjharper | Happens during apt-get |
| 16:32.26 | dvs | nooob: Good, now type "ls -l /dev/input/mice" |
| 16:32.27 | jeaneid | is there any utility that converts pdf files to text but keeps the structure of the pdf page. I need to turn pdf tables into data so I need to convert them into text but keep their structure |
| 16:32.28 | pjharper | unstable like me |
| 16:32.36 | jethro | asg: I m sitting on a d800, we talked about that, now I remember, at least about the keyboard :p |
| 16:32.41 | asg | jethro: heh |
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| 16:32.56 | jethro | asg: ipw2200 ? |
| 16:33.05 | shadebob | Hi, how can I merge text file and graphic fax in a script to fax? Actually I use imagemagick/mogrigy/annotate but My text file is well formated and I don't want to input all x,y position in my graphic file... |
| 16:33.05 | jethro | asg: I mean that's what the wifi card is? |
| 16:33.08 | stew | pjharper: what is an example of a package that couldn't be authenticated? what mirror are you using? |
| 16:33.10 | asg | jethro: I'm running external monitor, keyboard and mouse here at work though. |
| 16:33.10 | scatterp | yes thats the danm thing im trying to get jethro |
| 16:33.11 | McKillroy | Hello ! I want to have a true hardware IDE RAID 5 (Got space for my 4 spare IDE Disks) for a 1 HE Pizzabox (32 or 64 Bit PCI). What is recommendedn and affordable and works with Debian ? |
| 16:33.15 | asg | jethro: oh, it's a Broadcom |
| 16:33.22 | scatterp | asg/jethro how many colors |
| 16:33.23 | nooob | dvs, well, I know its there. Im using X right now, but in order to use it I had to first startx with root using /.dev/psaux |
| 16:33.25 | asg | jethro: or the Dell Wlan thingy |
| 16:33.27 | asg | scatterp: I use 16 |
| 16:33.29 | scatterp | asg yes and the broadcomm |
| 16:33.34 | asg | scatterp: or 16 bit |
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| 16:33.35 | jethro | asg: how good it is compared to intel? |
| 16:33.37 | scatterp | asg ok let me try that |
| 16:33.38 | nooob | dvs, then it appears there. and its there now |
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| 16:33.42 | dvs | nooob: You shouldn't use /.dev/psaux |
| 16:33.46 | asg | jethro: works fine for me. |
| 16:33.47 | jethro | scatterp: I use 24bpp @ 1920x1200 |
| 16:34.01 | ArtyObs | you don't have to pay for cdrecord-prodvd keys? |
| 16:34.12 | jethro | asg: can you do WPA-EAP and ccmp with tthis wifi card and ndiswrapper? |
| 16:34.13 | scatterp | cool that worked |
| 16:34.15 | FieldySnuts | @warez |
| 16:34.16 | ravenbird | somebody said warez was what GNU/Linux do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/comics/20011214.gif, or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 16:34.19 | jethro | asg: cause I can't with the intel |
| 16:34.19 | nooob | dvs, thats the only way I could figure out to make /dev/input/mice appear there. Im sure theres a better solution but I havent found it |
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| 16:34.27 | asg | jethro: I think so, it claims to support it |
| 16:34.29 | scatterp | now how do i ipw2100 i have the files on my c: |
| 16:34.36 | bob2 | get an ubuntu kernel |
| 16:34.37 | jethro | asg: you can't on the intel yet |
| 16:34.40 | bob2 | it's so much less hassle |
| 16:34.43 | dvs | nooob: I just told you, "modprobe mousedev" |
| 16:35.00 | asg | jethro: wlan0: encryption modes supported: WEP, WPA with TKIP, WPA with AES/CCMP |
| 16:35.16 | asg | jethro: no EAP, my mistake |
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| 16:35.27 | jethro | asg: wpa-psk only ? |
| 16:35.32 | kvossen | Anybody know how I can automatically pass options to the pager? I tried using $PAGER, but it doesn't seem to have any effect ... |
| 16:35.34 | nooob | dvs, so, should I add that to startup? |
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| 16:35.55 | dvs | nooob: As root, "echo mousedev >> /etc/modules" |
| 16:35.55 | jethro | scatterp: try the ipw2100 driver then ndiswrapper if you have no other possibility for the wifi card |
| 16:35.58 | moshii | does anyone know if di is capable of resizing NTFS partitions? |
| 16:36.02 | asg | jethro: I guess. |
| 16:36.09 | r0ver | Hello, i'm using xkeymaps to get a map file for my keyboard, but i don't know how to load the xmodmap file that it generates... or i don't know if i'm loading it... |
| 16:36.29 | jethro | asg: I can't do eap with the current ndiswrapper and my ipw2200bg either |
| 16:36.35 | jethro | I mean wpa-eap |
| 16:36.37 | asg | jethro: ah |
| 16:36.40 | Delph | r0ver: i'd experiment using "xmodmap" |
| 16:36.43 | r0ver | to use a xmodmap file on a particular user, i've to name it ~/.xmodmap, is that right ? |
| 16:36.46 | jethro | but we went to far off topic Id say:) |
| 16:36.47 | Delph | (the command) |
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| 16:36.50 | jethro | too even |
| 16:37.11 | scatterp | jethro asg i am in /home/scatterp and have the drivers there could i get some help installing the 2100 |
| 16:37.12 | r0ver | Delph: does xkeycaps have problems ? |
| 16:37.14 | nooob | dvs, ok. thanks. let me see if that works |
| 16:37.21 | dvs | ok |
| 16:37.22 | Delph | r0ver: yes, it's in therapy. |
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| 16:37.32 | Delph | it should deal with the drinking problems by next year. |
| 16:37.34 | r0ver | Delph: the point is that xkeycaps detects the keyboard correctly.... |
| 16:37.38 | Delph | r0ver: you sure you've got the right keyboard? |
| 16:37.40 | tatoo | does anybody know a free software that can substitute 3 proprietary softwares: 1 - Borland Enterprise Service; 2 - Borland Enterprise Server; 3 - Caliber RM ? |
| 16:37.55 | asg | scatterp: well, the ndiswrapper stuff is at ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net (I don't use the 2100 so jethro will have to help you there.) |
| 16:37.58 | r0ver | Delph: well, on xkeycaps works... |
| 16:38.03 | bob2 | not unless you actually tell people what they're supposed to do |
| 16:38.09 | scatterp | ok sg |
| 16:38.10 | bob2 | the first 2 sound like the just consume RAM |
| 16:38.11 | jethro | scatterp: apt-get install ipw2100-source then cd /usr/src; then untar it, then make-kpkg modules_image |
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| 16:38.37 | kvossen | Doh, found the problem: forgot to export my vars |
| 16:38.43 | sml | one question i've always pondered is why are there two commands "useradd" and "userdel" ? |
| 16:38.44 | jethro | scatterp: you will need either kernel-headers for your running kernel (if it's a debian image one) or the path to your kernel source tree if you built your own |
| 16:38.47 | asg | !export kvossen to siberia |
| 16:39.01 | kvossen | :P |
| 16:39.03 | greycat | sml: one for adding, and one for deleting? |
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| 16:39.14 | jethro | scatterp: you might also want to try modules-assistant which I don't know so I can't tell you how you should use it |
| 16:39.16 | sml | greycat: damn! i meant useradd and adduser! sorry |
| 16:39.18 | asg | sml: historical cruft |
| 16:39.20 | sml | LOL |
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| 16:39.35 | jethro | adduser is a wrapper |
| 16:39.40 | jethro | useradd is the plain old command |
| 16:39.41 | McKillroy | Can someone recommend a true hardware IDE RAID 5 (Got space for my 4 spare IDE Disks) for a 1 HE Pizzabox (32 or 64 Bit PCI). What is recommended and affordable and works with Debian ? I was thinking about buying a 3ware escalade 7605 LP for 213 Euro. |
| 16:39.42 | greycat | sml: one's a front-end to the other |
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| 16:39.44 | sml | asg: one seems to use a skeleton file and one seems to do sweet fa apart from a >>/etc/passwd ;) |
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| 16:39.58 | jethro | sml: adduser calls useradd |
| 16:39.59 | bob2 | McKillroy: 3ware's the only company that makes them, afaik |
| 16:40.01 | possie | i'm having troubles that nfs is _really_ slow, anyone have an idea how i can debug what's the problem? |
| 16:40.02 | stew | McKillroy: 3ware rocks |
| 16:40.08 | sml | jethro: ok. thanks |
| 16:40.09 | jethro | sml: once you've fed it with all the appropriate info |
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| 16:40.23 | possie | it looks like the only problem is when i'm copying files that are 11G's ? cause the 100MB file that i'm copying over nfs go's really fast |
| 16:40.27 | greycat | possie: is ftp equally slow between the same two boxes in the same direction? is nfs slow in both directions? |
| 16:40.40 | McKillroy | stew: Will it fit in a 1 HE Server (with Raiser card) ? |
| 16:40.45 | asg | possie: that sounds like a duplex problem |
| 16:40.54 | jethro | !curse autosense |
| 16:40.55 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, autosense ! |
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| 16:41.16 | possie | greycat: well i dont' manage the NFS server, and there is only nfs on it that the moment |
| 16:41.21 | possie | asg: let me dubble check that |
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| 16:41.25 | bob2 | autosense is only bad if your hardware is shit |
| 16:41.26 | stew | McKillroy: i don't know what a 1 HE server is, you are on your own there |
| 16:41.30 | greycat | possie: if you don't *manage* it, why are you trying to *fix* it? |
| 16:41.43 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: curse (.*?) =~ s/$1 !/$1!/ |
| 16:41.43 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 16:41.47 | McKillroy | stew: 1 HE = Pizzabox Format |
| 16:41.50 | asg | jethro: oh, and to prevent the wlan card having loopy issues with the radio not going on, you have to configure the bios to use the long post fullcheck instead of the speedy one. |
| 16:41.52 | jethro | bob2: most hardware does shitty autosense |
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| 16:42.00 | jethro | asg: huh? |
| 16:42.08 | bob2 | jethro: never had problems with my switches or laptops |
| 16:42.23 | asg | jethro: in this d600, ndiswrapper locks the kernel hard if you don't start the laptop using the slow BIOS post operation. |
| 16:42.38 | jethro | bob2: tried cisco / nortel / alteon / 3com nics, intel nics.. and had issues with most major brands |
| 16:42.42 | asg | bob2: never run extreme hardware then |
| 16:42.46 | jethro | asg: I didn't have such an issue |
| 16:42.56 | bob2 | well, this is like el shitty switches with my ibook and thinkpad |
| 16:42.57 | asg | jethro: you have an 800 with a better card :p |
| 16:42.59 | possie | greycat: well i'm just looking if i'm not the problem :-) |
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| 16:43.05 | jethro | asg: :) |
| 16:43.15 | stew | McKillroy: most likely, you should be able to figure that out |
| 16:43.16 | dvs | well? |
| 16:43.23 | asg | bob2: these are 5k switches and they can't autosense worth a toss |
| 16:43.33 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 16:43.34 | greycat | !smite Cisco |
| 16:43.34 | bob2 | nice |
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| 16:43.42 | asg | bob2: they even have nat support which the SE told me never to use because it doesn't work. |
| 16:43.44 | nvz | idiots left the car here without the keys.. I am tempted to go hotwire it.. its just a base model civic.. doesnt even have a steering colom lock, I bet I can go down there with a switch and a push button and have her running in less than a minute |
| 16:43.46 | nooob | dvs, now gdm starts up (it used to crash), but the mouse does not work |
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| 16:44.14 | jethro | cisco made routing modules for its shitty 5000 catalysts which weren't able to route when too loaded |
| 16:44.19 | McKillroy | stew: Thanks anyway. Is there an alternative to 3ware ? Adaptec maybe ? Seems like everyone is recommending 3ware and warning of promise. |
| 16:44.23 | dvs | nooob: Have you changed /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to use /dev/input/mice? |
| 16:44.55 | nooob | dvs: I put it back to default. let me change it to only use /dev/input/mice and see if that works |
| 16:45.07 | noonerx | Need help mounting more hd space to / |
| 16:45.17 | noonerx | ? |
| 16:45.17 | stew | McKillroy: i've never used adaptec, but i've had great success with 3ware and i've had a promise card die and take both drives in a raid 1 with it |
| 16:45.28 | asg | jethro: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/computers/work/dells24.jpg (summit 200 and 300) |
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| 16:45.54 | nvz | either that or I can walk up to the CenturyTel office and beat em up.. if our worthless overpaid phone company was worth two shits I could call someone and find out why there are not any keys and where they are.. but the fucking phone company wont take the cell phone number I am punching in. |
| 16:46.11 | nvz | their old phone equipment from the 1950's doesnt comprehend 10 digit dialing |
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| 16:46.15 | ArtyObs | nvz you sound on a very bad mood |
| 16:46.28 | jethro | asg: I didn't understand "summit 200 and 300" |
| 16:46.28 | asg | nvz: just shake your fist at the sky! curse the gods! |
| 16:46.44 | asg | jethro: the switch models (to the right) |
| 16:46.48 | jethro | heh looks like my box when I worked in cali |
| 16:46.49 | asg | jethro: the ugly ass purple things |
| 16:46.58 | jethro | aight |
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| 16:47.08 | possie | asg: is there a universal way to put nic's in fullduplex? cause mii-tool say's that it doesn't find any MII interface, i'm using a Marvell Yukon 1000gbit nic |
| 16:47.16 | McKillroy | stew: After asking a lot of people I think I'l buy a 3ware 7605 LP. Thank you for your experience report. |
| 16:47.22 | jethro | what's the english name for such small "box like" offices? |
| 16:47.30 | asg | possie: modinfo <driver> (see if it accepts a duplex setting) |
| 16:47.44 | asg | jethro: cubicles |
| 16:47.47 | jethro | right! |
| 16:47.50 | jethro | cubicles |
| 16:47.53 | ricky_clarkson | Or just cubes. |
| 16:47.53 | jethro | ty asg :) |
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| 16:48.04 | asg | jethro: my office has cubicle furniture but you only see a 1/4 of it in that picture. |
| 16:48.05 | jethro | the word we used in cali was cubicle :) |
| 16:48.06 | dvs | well? |
| 16:48.08 | nooob | dvs, still doesnt work |
| 16:48.09 | scatterp | asg it couldnt find package ipw2100-source |
| 16:48.23 | asg | scatterp: try jethro on that one |
| 16:48.31 | ricky_clarkson | My office has Real Walls(tm). |
| 16:48.33 | jethro | heh I gotta leave, see ya in an hour scatterp |
| 16:48.38 | nvz | oh well apperently the idiot lost the other car keys.. and he's leaving now, so screw that idea.. though I did learn his car is incredibly easy to steal.. you need nothing but fingers to access the wiring, and there is no lock on the shifter or steering colom so it should be a 30second hot-wire car |
| 16:48.38 | jethro | I need to go back to home |
| 16:48.42 | scatterp | ok |
| 16:48.51 | jethro | scatterp: ttyl, sorry I gotta rush |
| 16:49.02 | scatterp | ok |
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| 16:49.20 | nvz | the harley is here, and I do have the keys to it, but I dont have a clue how to ride a motorcycle |
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| 16:49.44 | bob2 | get on |
| 16:49.46 | bob2 | start engine |
| 16:49.47 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Sit on it, shout vroom vroom, then pretend it's broken and push it around, flexing. |
| 16:49.48 | bob2 | twist group |
| 16:49.51 | bob2 | try not to do |
| 16:49.53 | bob2 | er, die |
| 16:50.06 | possie | asg: it doesn't accept any param's atleast not that i can see with modinfo, btw i just checked the network speed between my box and a other box, with got 94mbit (iperf) |
| 16:50.32 | asg | ricky_clarkson: the guy in the office next to me has plants and goldfish, feng shu wanker |
| 16:50.45 | asg | possie: hmmmm |
| 16:50.51 | possie | asg: maybe cp doesn't like that it's a 11Gbyte file ? |
| 16:51.11 | possie | asg: i'm using ext3 locally, and i'm cp'ing a 11GB file from nfs to local disk |
| 16:51.19 | asg | possie: that was just a guess on my part, there may be other issues, more related to nfs. Did you test sending it via ftp like greycat said? |
| 16:51.27 | nvz | you guys leave me no options I may have to drink the rest of the beer now :P |
| 16:51.37 | abrotman | nvz: it's like 11am there |
| 16:51.43 | asg | abrotman: that's no excuse |
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| 16:52.01 | nvz | yeah yeah, so what :) |
| 16:52.08 | mh_le | how well does sarge handle miltiboot? |
| 16:52.09 | possie | asg: not yet let me try if i can fix something like that |
| 16:52.16 | dvs | nvz: Heck it's almost noon. I can wait 8 minutes |
| 16:52.24 | FieldySnuts | @wtf miltiboot |
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| 16:52.27 | ravenbird | !tell $nick -about $1 |
| 16:52.30 | asg | mh_le: debian and openbsd work just spiffy on this laptop |
| 16:52.33 | FieldySnuts | er |
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| 16:52.51 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: factinfo wtf |
| 16:52.57 | FieldySnuts | wanker. |
| 16:53.06 | dvs | FieldySnuts: On strike? |
| 16:53.08 | nvz | I need to get to the DMV and get a drivers lisc.. mine's out of state and long since expired :-/ |
| 16:53.13 | ricky_clarkson | ravenbird: factinfo cmd: wtf (.*?) |
| 16:53.19 | possie | is there away to see which kernel process is holding a module busy? |
| 16:53.27 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: literal wtf? |
| 16:53.28 | ravenbird | wtf is <reply> What The Fuck |
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| 16:53.32 | jogla | Helo. |
| 16:53.32 | Stevie-O | 250 Stevie-O |
| 16:53.32 | asg | nvz: then get sloppy drunk, crash the harley, and a cop will likely arrive to transport you within the hour |
| 16:53.33 | FieldySnuts | heh. whatever |
| 16:53.33 | possie | i'm trying to remove a module but it says it busy |
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| 16:53.59 | mh_le | asg: nice :) |
| 16:54.12 | t-dub | sweet |
| 16:54.17 | FieldySnuts | possie: remove the modules that are using it, or get rid of the processes using those modules or that module, try again |
| 16:54.17 | asg | mh_le: it apparently works with Windows too but I haven't tested that here. |
| 16:54.19 | nooob | hmm...who was trying to help me dvs or dsp? three letter nicks can be confusing |
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| 16:54.56 | asg | nooob: it wasn't me (there, you've narrowed the search space. Bravo) |
| 16:55.02 | nvz | asg: yeah right, around here, they will probably think; well he's drunk, crashed a harley, and his liscence expired last year.. this is a fine upstanding texan.. no harm no foul |
| 16:55.15 | asg | nvz: you have a point |
| 16:55.21 | jogla | Does anyone know how to mark a text as quotation in latex? |
| 16:55.38 | asg | jogla: did you ask #latex? |
| 16:55.51 | jogla | sorry |
| 16:56.00 | jogla | i'll try that first |
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| 16:56.41 | nvz | I hate sitting around waiting for the phone to ring.. and that is essentially the position I am in today |
| 16:56.53 | dvs | nvz: get a cell phone |
| 16:57.04 | asg | nvz: what's your #? I'm sure someone would be happy to call you ;) |
| 16:57.05 | nvz | theres usually a 1-4 chance it will be someone worth talking to |
| 16:57.07 | Souza10 | I am having problems with my mouse. My mouse works but from minute to minute it becames crazy. when I desinstall gpm it works correctely. I already got the stable and unstable gpm and the same error occurs. Could some one help? |
| 16:57.07 | possie | FieldySnuts: well that's what i'm trying to search, which process keeps a hold of my module |
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| 16:57.35 | jogla | Souza10: wrong protocol? |
| 16:57.55 | Souza10 | jogla: what do you mean? |
| 16:58.00 | nvz | I come to realize using those ear piece things, the one thing I hate about phones is having to hold it and talk into it |
| 16:58.12 | nvz | the other is apperently the indirect communication |
| 16:58.36 | greycat | what *I* hate about phones is that when one rings, you HAVE to answer it, and fuck the person standing there in front of you. |
| 16:58.48 | nvz | heh |
| 16:58.56 | nvz | yeah thats pretty much the idea |
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| 16:59.31 | jogla | Souza10: i mean the mouse protocol, eg PS/2 or ImPS/2 |
| 16:59.32 | zinx | greycat: it might be a one-in-a-life time offer for cheap toner!!! |
| 16:59.33 | greycat | the Amish have a good workaround for that. phones are only allowed *outside* the house. |
| 16:59.34 | TheTom | hmh. /bin/zsh is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/zsh which is a symlink to /bin/zsh4 linux is weird |
| 16:59.43 | greycat | they essentially treat phones as "originate only" |
| 16:59.46 | nooob | oh well, I guess Im gonna boot into my working distro and finish getting debian configured some other time. have a great day folks |
| 16:59.48 | nvz | this centurytel phone company is the worst.. I swear they still have manual switches from the 1950's or something |
| 16:59.58 | noonerx | rejas |
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| 17:00.23 | greycat | nvz: you're on centurytel too? what city? |
| 17:00.34 | nvz | greycat: Lake Dallas, Tx |
| 17:00.38 | greycat | Lorain OH for me. |
| 17:00.46 | TheTom | and /usr/bin/zsh is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/zsh-usrbin |
| 17:00.49 | sml | if i have two seperate disks mounted on the same mount point will i get any problems ? or will they automagically be merged correctly when viewing using tools like ls etc |
| 17:00.59 | greycat | sml: what the FUCK? |
| 17:01.14 | TheTom | hehe |
| 17:01.19 | nvz | I've been to Lorain.. is that close to lake Erie? |
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| 17:01.26 | greycat | nvz: yes. right on the shore. |
| 17:01.30 | Souza10 | jogla; it is correct PS/2, I using it for my touchmouse into my notebook |
| 17:01.38 | sml | greycat: well its just the other day i said on here that you cant mount two different disks on the same mount point. two people then said im wrong. since then i've been unable to work out in my mind how that could work |
| 17:01.39 | nvz | Ah, well then that was the last City I visited in OH |
| 17:01.41 | ChrisW | "grep -rl serasa . | xargs -0 rm -v" gives me "xargs: argument line too long", why? |
| 17:01.43 | nvz | I couldnt remember clearly |
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| 17:01.46 | TheTom | sml: better use symlinks instead :þ linux loves 'em |
| 17:01.53 | ChrisW | I'm trying to remove a load of spam from a maildir folder |
| 17:01.57 | nvz | greycat: that lake is god aweful dirty isn't it? |
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| 17:02.06 | jogla | Souza10: than you better use ImPS/2 |
| 17:02.10 | greycat | nvz: Lorain was so bad you fled the whole state and never came back, eh? :) |
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| 17:02.22 | jogla | my notebook mouse is imps2/ |
| 17:02.26 | jogla | *imps/2 |
| 17:02.29 | greycat | and the Lake's not *that* dirty any more. you can swim in it now. |
| 17:02.35 | nvz | greycat: hehe.. I was only on vacation anyhow.. from Leetsdale no less |
| 17:02.53 | greycat | well not right *now* because it's still frozen |
| 17:02.53 | nvz | that was probably 4 years ago now |
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| 17:03.09 | sml | so can you or cant you mount two disks on the same mount point ? |
| 17:03.14 | greycat | sml: did you try? |
| 17:03.21 | nvz | sml: sure, what good would it do you |
| 17:03.27 | sml | greycat: no i dare not do something like that without making backups first |
| 17:03.34 | sml | i would be sure it would say "mount point busy" |
| 17:03.37 | sml | or somesuch IMHO |
| 17:03.40 | Souza10 | jogla: it became crazier |
| 17:03.44 | stew | sml: no |
| 17:03.44 | jogla | hmm |
| 17:03.51 | stew | sml: we already discussed this like 4 days ago |
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| 17:03.54 | ricky_clarkson | !seen RichiH |
| 17:03.54 | dpkg | richih is currently on #debian (4d 13h 49m 6s) #debian-ops (4d 13h 49m 6s). Has said a total of 8510 messages. Is idling for 23h 8m 53s |
| 17:03.57 | possie | is there away to change the blocksize that cp uses? |
| 17:04.06 | stew | sml: you can mount 2 things to the same point |
| 17:04.13 | sml | stew: i know we did but someone here said you COULD. my fault for giving that idea any credence |
| 17:04.13 | jogla | then it must have another protocol |
| 17:04.23 | nvz | sml: the rootfs is mounted to the VFS, then all mounts are points on the rootfs.. so you can mount over stuff, but then the stuff "under" isnt accessible until you unmount |
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| 17:04.32 | jogla | Souza10: there is a protocol "auto" too, iirc |
| 17:04.35 | stew | sml: i said you could, becuase you can, try yourself |
| 17:04.43 | greycat | nvz: isn't that a special case, thoguh? |
| 17:04.54 | TheTom | creedence? ah, that old john fogerty |
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| 17:05.06 | nvz | believe it or not I am not paying enough attention |
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| 17:05.50 | Souza10 | jogla; auto didn't worked |
| 17:06.06 | jogla | hmm |
| 17:06.13 | sml | stew: so i can do mount /dev/hda1 /mnt && mount /dev/hda2 /mnt, but after i do that somehow the operating system magically makes it seem to me like im looking at one disk ? |
| 17:06.27 | jogla | are you sure your mouse isn't damaged? |
| 17:06.34 | nvz | heh |
| 17:06.39 | sml | stew: sorry i dont really have a spare box to try it out on but im still a bit taken a back. |
| 17:06.47 | Souza10 | jogla: can you run two mouse into your note |
| 17:07.15 | Souza10 | jogla: my mouse is ok, cause when I desinstall gpm it works correctely |
| 17:07.29 | sml | the reason i ask is that im currently using symlinks to another disk from /dev/hda1 now.. i could just mount them both under /home and be done with it. |
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| 17:07.49 | sml | basically /home ran out. |
| 17:08.19 | jogla | Souza10: yes, i have got an usb mouse on /dev/input/mice and a normal touchpad on /dev/psaux |
| 17:08.32 | Souza10 | jogla: which is the device you are using for ImPS/2? |
| 17:08.34 | jogla | they both working together, under xfree an gpm |
| 17:08.49 | nvz | sml: like I said, you can mount two partitions somewhere, I just mounted a samba share to /home, but from useland, the underlying rootfs and homefs are inaccessible, because you mounted another FS over top of it |
| 17:08.55 | jogla | at least the touchpad |
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| 17:09.17 | Souza10 | which protocol do you use into mice? |
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| 17:09.36 | asg | Souza10: the Gere protocol |
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| 17:09.55 | sml | nvz: ok i see. |
| 17:10.01 | bob2 | I thought tat only worked on hamsters |
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| 17:10.12 | stew | sml: dd bs=1k count=1000 if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/blah1 ; cp /tmp/blah1 /tmp/blah1 ; mke2fs /tmp/blah1 ; mke2fs /tmp/blah2 ; mkdir /tmp/foo ; mount -t ext2 -o loop /tmp/blah1 /tmp/foo ; mount -t ext2 -o loop /tmp/blah2 /tmp/foo |
| 17:10.16 | asg | bob2: I think it's backward compatible though |
| 17:10.17 | stew | ^^^ that works fine |
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| 17:10.26 | nvz | at least I am not the only one bored silly today |
| 17:10.33 | bob2 | haha |
| 17:10.34 | linyin | hi all |
| 17:11.06 | De_Mon | is there a way to add and remove permissions in octal mode? |
| 17:11.14 | vincen1 | hey guys is there a maximum number of device aliases supported by the kernel ? |
| 17:11.17 | linyin | ??? |
| 17:11.32 | greycat | vincen1: of *what* supported by *whom*? |
| 17:11.36 | bob2 | De_Mon: man chmod, yeah |
| 17:11.36 | jogla | Souza10: see query |
| 17:11.40 | Souza10 | jogla: I am using /de/psaux and PS/2 - /dev/input/mice and ImPs/2, it works but not when my gpm is installed |
| 17:11.42 | sml | stew: i didn't think about mounting a file as a filesystem using the loopback device. i'll try it out. cheers. |
| 17:12.05 | jogla | Souza10: are you sure that gpm is using the right protocol? |
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| 17:12.22 | greycat | stew: that's not quite "having two things mounted on the same point" ;-) |
| 17:12.29 | stew | greycat: how so? |
| 17:12.37 | greycat | stew: one's mounted on /tmp and the other's on /tmp/foo |
| 17:12.45 | vincen1 | greycat: device aliases, is there a limit to how many you can make ? |
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| 17:12.59 | stew | greycat: no they are both mounted on /tmp/foo |
| 17:13.02 | greycat | vincen1: you mean symbolic links in /dev? |
| 17:13.07 | greycat | vincen1: what does that have to do with the KERNEL? |
| 17:13.12 | nvz | De_Mon: yeah with numbers. - --- --- --- Special, Owner, Group, Other, and the numbers are (4)read (2)write (1)execute, and (4)setuid ..etc you just add em up like -rwxr-xr-x is 0755 |
| 17:13.15 | De_Mon | bob2 I couldn't see it. could you give me an example? I know chmod a-r works but chmod a-4 didn't. |
| 17:13.19 | nvz | De_Mon: read the manpage |
| 17:13.20 | jogla | Souza10: my gpm is using "autops2", i posted the gpm.conf into you query |
| 17:13.42 | vincen1 | greycat: i was just curious if something (most likely the kernel) set an upper limit on how many device aliases were allowed |
| 17:13.42 | stew | greycat: mount gives me: /tmp/blah1 on /tmp/foo type ext2 (rw,loop=/dev/loop0) \n /tmp/blah2 on /tmp/foo type ext2 (rw,loop=/dev/loop1) |
| 17:13.49 | bob2 | De_Mon: er, you have to use octal permissions, not some made up format |
| 17:13.59 | bob2 | De_Mon: 0770 |
| 17:14.03 | greycat | WHAT THE FUCKING HELL IS A DEVICE ALIAS? |
| 17:14.06 | stew | hmm, my line above should be cp /tmp/blah1 /tmp/blah2 |
| 17:14.11 | nvz | De_Mon: to take away and make -rwxr-xr-x 0775 a -rwx-r----- you do 0740 |
| 17:14.14 | De_Mon | I'm doing unix homework, im supposed to 'remove the read bit using octal mode' |
| 17:14.21 | sml | stew: yes i noticed the error ;) |
| 17:14.26 | sml | im not that dumb |
| 17:14.27 | sml | :) |
| 17:14.31 | Delph | bob2: there's always "chmod g-r foo.txt" |
| 17:14.35 | kingsley | greycat: It's a "hot button". |
| 17:14.37 | bob2 | De_Mon: that makes no sense unless they want you to show your logical-and working |
| 17:14.38 | Rawplayer | De_Mon: the people in here will not do any homework for you |
| 17:14.45 | De_Mon | the last question said "change" now its "remove" and I'm saying wtf |
| 17:14.47 | dvs | Delph: That's not octal |
| 17:14.55 | bob2 | De_Mon: beat your teacher |
| 17:15.01 | De_Mon | bob2 will do! |
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| 17:15.17 | Delph | dvs: in reply to "you have to use octal" |
| 17:15.18 | greycat | svr1a:/tmp# mke2fs blah2 |
| 17:15.19 | greycat | [...] |
| 17:15.21 | greycat | Segmentation fault |
| 17:15.22 | De_Mon | Rawplayer I'm not asking them to do it, I'm making sure its "NOT possible" |
| 17:15.22 | nvz | De_Mon: you subtract 4 |
| 17:15.28 | greycat | svr1a:/tmp# mount -o loop blah1 /tmp/foo |
| 17:15.28 | greycat | /dev/loop0: Invalid argument |
| 17:15.28 | greycat | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 17:15.36 | nvz | De_Mon: from either Owner, Group, or Other |
| 17:15.37 | Souza10 | jogla; do you use ImPs/2 into both mouse |
| 17:15.53 | sml | greycat: do you have the loopback device in the kernel ? |
| 17:15.55 | bob2 | greycat: svr1a sounds like it needs a holiday |
| 17:16.04 | bob2 | greycat: or the kernel's oopsing |
| 17:16.11 | nvz | De_Mon: which would be 0400, 0040, 0004 depending, you would subtract from the octal to remove read |
| 17:16.20 | De_Mon | nvz I cant "remove" a bit in octal, I have to rewrite the permission |
| 17:16.21 | greycat | svr1a:/tmp# grep LOOP /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:16.21 | greycat | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m |
| 17:16.32 | sml | greycat: lsmod ? |
| 17:16.34 | jogla | Souza10: yes, they have both ImPS/2 |
| 17:16.38 | greycat | there are no oopses loop 7604 0 (autoclean) |
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| 17:16.53 | greycat | there are no oopses in dmesg. that seg fault is pure userspace. |
| 17:17.03 | De_Mon | nvz unless I'm misreading the question(which I just quoted) hes implying something like a+r is possible in octal mode |
| 17:17.07 | bob2 | hm, impressive |
| 17:17.08 | nvz | De_Mon: yes but octal is mathematical the numbers 1, 2, 4 add up to 3, 5, 6, 7, and 0 is none of the above.. so you do math |
| 17:17.21 | nvz | De_Mon: to remove a bit, you subtract |
| 17:17.28 | bob2 | greycat: stupidly large variance in mount/kernel versions? |
| 17:17.30 | nvz | De_Mon: read bit is a value of 4 |
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| 17:17.58 | Souza10 | jogla; when I put it, even without gpm my mouse became crazy |
| 17:18.02 | t-dub | whoa |
| 17:18.06 | dEa | how i can clean all history what i have write in shell |
| 17:18.11 | t-dub | giFTcurses just blew my mind |
| 17:18.12 | greycat | Linux svr1a 2.2.26 #2 Wed Feb 25 12:48:36 EST 2004 i686 unknown |
| 17:18.12 | greycat | ii mount 2.11n-7 Tools for mounting and manipulating filesyst |
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| 17:18.31 | sml | dea: rm ~/.bash_history |
| 17:18.32 | asg | dEa: HISTSIZE=0 ; logout |
| 17:18.43 | sml | dea: (if you're using bash ;) ) |
| 17:18.43 | nvz | what a shame, your poor feeble mind |
| 17:18.50 | jogla | Souza10: and what happens if you use autops2 as protocol in gpm.conf? |
| 17:18.58 | vincen1 | greycat: i ment alias in /dev is there a maximum limit on them ? |
| 17:18.58 | greycat | I made "blah1" on a sarge box and scp'ed it over. |
| 17:18.59 | nvz | I think I should at least walk to sonic and have them cook me breakfast |
| 17:19.01 | asg | sml: it should be since it doesn't know how to erase it's history |
| 17:19.04 | greycat | svr1a:/tmp# mount -o loop /tmp/blah2 /tmp/foo |
| 17:19.04 | greycat | mount: /dev/loop1 already mounted or /tmp/foo busy |
| 17:19.04 | greycat | mount: according to mtab, /tmp/blah1 is already mounted on /tmp/foo |
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| 17:19.12 | De_Mon | nvz got it, thanks |
| 17:19.16 | greycat | vincen1: no. they're just fucking symlinks. |
| 17:19.36 | Souza10 | jogla: it already was autops2 |
| 17:19.42 | jogla | oh |
| 17:19.54 | nvz | it always helps straiten priorities.. and they dont seem to care what time you show up, they'll cook you a fucking toaster with no questions asked.. unlike SpicDonalds that makes you wake up early if you want breakfast |
| 17:20.03 | greycat | stew: any more clarifications? Such as "You can, BUT, it requires kernel version ...."? |
| 17:20.11 | sml | greycat: now that is what , until four days ago, i would have expected. |
| 17:20.29 | greycat | sml: apparently there's Linux, and then there's Linux. |
| 17:20.30 | stew | dunno, did it on 2 2.6 sarge machines here, lemme try on a 2.4 / woody... |
| 17:20.34 | stew | greycat: ^^ |
| 17:20.35 | sml | hence me being so cynical about the whole issue (coz actually i could really make use of this feature) |
| 17:20.53 | greycat | it "works" on sarge/2.4. |
| 17:21.11 | greycat | I have no fucking CLUE what the semantics of having two different file systems mounted on the same point at the same time are. |
| 17:21.23 | sml | greycat: im glad you feel the same LOL. |
| 17:21.50 | nvz | De_Mon: no problem.. I used to be a regular math wizard when I was in high school. Personally, I dont understand file permissions the other way around. |
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| 17:22.13 | greycat | for whatever it's worth, doing stew's experiment on a sarge/2.4 box and then writing something in the mounted directory and then unmounting twice shows me that only the second-mounted file is being modified. the first-mounted is presumably ignored completely. |
| 17:22.31 | sml | my original question half an hour ago was "how the heck does linux merge/resolve/present the one or more extra filesystems on that point" |
| 17:22.31 | jogla | Souza10: there are three bugs explained in man gpm. did you look at it? |
| 17:22.45 | bob2 | only the top one is touched |
| 17:22.46 | stew | yeah works on woody/2.4 with mount 2.11n-7 |
| 17:22.50 | bob2 | linux doesn't have unionfs |
| 17:22.51 | greycat | sml: my answer is "it looks like the first one's just invisible" |
| 17:22.57 | sml | stew: im using woody i'll try it out later.. |
| 17:23.05 | sml | greycat: ok man thanks :) |
| 17:23.09 | nvz | didnt I already explain the userland effects of mounting multiple fs's on the same mountpoint? |
| 17:23.14 | asg | greycat: http://www.daemon-systems.org/man/mount_union.8.html |
| 17:23.15 | Noid | greycat: i think when you mount a second thing in a mount point, the first one gets "shadowed" |
| 17:23.18 | nvz | sml: you need LVM end of story :P |
| 17:23.25 | nvz | you are bad with disk usage |
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| 17:23.27 | sml | which really means i'll stick to using different mount points and sym links for my sanity and the sake of my system. |
| 17:23.28 | nvz | you need LVM |
| 17:23.28 | greycat | Noid: that seems to be the case, yes. |
| 17:23.38 | sml | nvz: lol |
| 17:23.47 | rafalito | cbvsdfhgsdg |
| 17:23.54 | Noid | greycat: i actually tried it time ago hehehe |
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| 17:24.11 | sml | Noid: what exactly do you mean by shadowed. becomes invisible ? |
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| 17:24.25 | greycat | I've never been drunk enough to try it. |
| 17:24.27 | stew | heh |
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| 17:24.31 | sml | Noid: do you know at what point this became a feature ? |
| 17:24.33 | greycat | (Until now, apparently.) |
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| 17:24.51 | dvs | !beer greycat |
| 17:24.53 | sml | oh well stew i promise i wont bring it up again :) |
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| 17:25.15 | nvz | I wanted to get some A-Shirts too but I dont know that I feel like walking to WalMart |
| 17:25.27 | pen | Should the command kill -s HUP PID bring a new pid? |
| 17:25.34 | nvz | I could walk over there and buy a fucking bicycle :P |
| 17:25.50 | greycat | pen: only if the thing you're HUPping handles HUPs that way. |
| 17:25.52 | asg | pen: if sending a HUP to the process causes it to restart itself |
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| 17:25.55 | Noid | sml: nope i don't know... by shadowed i mean the first one is ignored |
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| 17:26.04 | greycat | asg: or causes it to die and get respawned by something else |
| 17:26.08 | asg | greycat: right |
| 17:26.14 | Noid | sml: it's as if it got mounted on top of it |
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| 17:26.51 | pen | I want to restart apache2 |
| 17:26.58 | nvz | oh well its only 7/10 of a mile |
| 17:26.59 | asg | pen: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 17:27.09 | nvz | probably less on foot |
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| 17:27.20 | asg | nvz: you could have been there and back already by now |
| 17:27.21 | Souza10 | jogla: I runied gmp -R before startx and it worked correctely |
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| 17:27.26 | tuxy17 | what is the best CVS client ? |
| 17:27.29 | nvz | asg: heh |
| 17:27.31 | asg | tuxy17: /usr/bin/cvs |
| 17:27.32 | pen | The kill command didn't seem to work |
| 17:27.41 | tuxy17 | what is the best CVS GUI client ? |
| 17:27.45 | nvz | asg: they got another sonic over by walmart too |
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| 17:27.48 | cyberyo | io |
| 17:27.48 | asg | tuxy17: xterm -e /usr/bin/cvs |
| 17:27.52 | DarkFame | lol |
| 17:27.56 | tuxy17 | what is the best CVS GUI with mouse client ? |
| 17:27.58 | asg | nvz: ah, double the pleasure |
| 17:27.58 | aidehua | Anyone know what the UK number 1 is at the moment? (Singles charts.) |
| 17:27.58 | ricky_clarkson | tuxy17: galeon |
| 17:28.01 | ongeboren | :> |
| 17:28.02 | nvz | asg: they got a sonic every .5 miles around here |
| 17:28.20 | asg | nvz: lucky you, I have a nothing more than a chick-fil-a and I value my colon. |
| 17:28.26 | DarkFame | xterm -e invoke-rc.d gpm start && /usr/bin/cvs |
| 17:28.26 | FieldySnuts | ... |
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| 17:28.59 | Souza10 | jogla; but my second mouse is not working. even with diferent protocol |
| 17:28.59 | pen | What was that restart apache command again? |
| 17:29.06 | asg | DarkFame: one would presume he has mouse support in X, unless he's an ion user. |
| 17:29.09 | greycat | asg: our workplace cafeteria is under new orders from our workplace's new CEO to offer a "healthier menu", so now they *suck* |
| 17:29.09 | bob2 | sudo invoke-rc.d apache restart |
| 17:29.11 | DarkFame | invoke-rc.d apache restart |
| 17:29.17 | jogla | Souza10: even if the xserver is down? |
| 17:29.21 | asg | greycat: ouch, I'd protest |
| 17:29.28 | greycat | asg: nearest edible food is Burger King, about a 10 minute walk |
| 17:29.38 | DarkFame | asg: I forgot about X .. :) |
| 17:29.38 | CarlosAlex | Now, cups is called cupsys to be installed |
| 17:29.38 | asg | greycat: yeah, same here. |
| 17:29.42 | nvz | asg: heh, well right here on main st there is a Sonic across from the police station.. and across the highway there is a Wendy's, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, Whataburger, Jack In The Box, Sonic, and SpicDonalds |
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| 17:29.51 | greycat | nvz: DAMN YOU! |
| 17:29.54 | nvz | asg: there is lots of space in texas, and they seem to make use of it |
| 17:30.06 | asg | nvz: true |
| 17:30.14 | sml | well Texans are rather large |
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| 17:30.24 | greycat | just their heads ;-) |
| 17:30.26 | TolkienLuver | hey anybody using bittornado on debian downloaded from aptget? |
| 17:30.35 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 17:30.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 17:30.57 | TolkienLuver | . |
| 17:30.59 | TolkienLuver | okay. |
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| 17:31.12 | TolkienLuver | im wondering why i can't find bittornado after i downloaded it |
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| 17:31.24 | sml | TolkienLuver: coz it got blown away |
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| 17:31.33 | TolkienLuver | sml: ic. please assist :( |
| 17:31.36 | stew | and as i expected, if you mount one of the filesystems, cd to that mountpoint in another shell, then mount the other filesystem on top, that shell which cded there before the second was mounted modifies the first filesystem not the second |
| 17:31.37 | CarlosAlex | What I can use in place of cups ? |
| 17:31.49 | nvz | one thing I dont understand about texas, with as much space as they have, most people have 2x2 ft yards and the houses are so close together. and they tare down what up north would be a perfictly servicable building to throw up a brand new one about every 2 years.. I dont know how people arent loosing a ton of money building new structures all the time and changing entire blocks of buildings around |
| 17:32.05 | stew | TolkienLuver: dpkg -L bittornado |
| 17:32.11 | aidehua | Ah. U2. "Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own" |
| 17:32.22 | DarkFame | dpkg -L bittornado |
| 17:32.22 | dpkg | ii bittornado 1.5-4.1 darkfame's private porn collection |
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| 17:32.31 | sml | stew: Ok why the hell would anyone want behaviour like that ? |
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| 17:32.41 | DarkFame | wtf? |
| 17:33.07 | sml | LOL |
| 17:33.26 | TolkienLuver | thanks stew |
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| 17:33.35 | Souza10 | jogla; just the touchpad mouse works out of X, but my usb mouse is working, cause it works with knoppys |
| 17:33.53 | jogla | hmm |
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| 17:33.59 | jogla | if have no more ideas, sorry |
| 17:34.03 | stew | sml: this is the way mount works normally, it would be bad if you could just switch the pwd out from under a running process |
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| 17:34.33 | DarkFame | Souza10: your need to configure two mouse devices in your XF86Config-4, and have both send core events. |
| 17:35.03 | DarkFame | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.06 | Souza10 | jogla: my second mouse there isn' t rooler |
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| 17:35.36 | Souza10 | DarkFame: Do I need two sendcoreevents |
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| 17:35.41 | sml | stew: ok and if you mount it then cd, it would affect the second mounted filesystem ? |
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| 17:36.42 | DarkFame | Souza10: No, the mouse connected to your PS/2 port must be the CorePointer (your touchpad in this case). and your usb mouse must be configured to send core events. |
| 17:36.46 | stew | sml: when you cd, you get the the filesystem mounted there at the time you cd. if something else is mounted on top, you don't get to that second filesystem until you cd into it again |
| 17:36.47 | BrianAnthony | Does anyone know where I can find good JRE2 debs? |
| 17:36.55 | abrotman | !tell BrianAnthony about java |
| 17:37.11 | DarkFame | PS/2 mouse: Option "CorePointer" .... USB Mouse: Option "SendCoreEvents" |
| 17:37.47 | DarkFame | And your ServerLayout needs a reference to both devices |
| 17:37.48 | BrianAnthony | !dpkg install jaba |
| 17:37.52 | BrianAnthony | errr |
| 17:37.53 | greycat | BrianAnthony: /msg dpkg install java |
| 17:38.04 | DarkFame | InputDevice "Mouse1" ... InputDevice "Mouse2" ... etc. |
| 17:38.10 | DarkFame | you can have 5 if you want. |
| 17:38.18 | sml | stew: That could be a lot of tracking for linux to do on a busy linux box on a share like /home , with more than one filesystem mounted there. |
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| 17:38.43 | t-dub | apt-get installgcj |
| 17:38.45 | t-dub | apt-get install gcj |
| 17:38.48 | t-dub | err |
| 17:38.52 | t-dub | java runtime |
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| 17:39.21 | t-dub | apt-get install jamvm |
| 17:39.24 | greycat | kaffe |
| 17:39.27 | t-dub | virtual machine v2 |
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| 17:40.04 | greycat | t-dub: /msg dpkg install java |
| 17:40.05 | t-dub | kafe werks too |
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| 17:40.09 | greycat | !werks |
| 17:40.10 | dpkg | works!!! dammit |
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| 17:40.19 | t-dub | !werkz |
| 17:40.22 | DarkFame | Souza10: Got it? |
| 17:40.24 | abrotman | kaffe is a horrible piece of crap |
| 17:40.25 | stew | sml: not really, every process has a pwd, the os needs to keep track of what file this is regardless |
| 17:40.40 | t-dub | judgemental |
| 17:40.46 | abrotman | t-dub: no .. i tried to use it |
| 17:40.47 | DarkFame | abrotman: the "media" player? |
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| 17:40.55 | abrotman | DarkFame: java kaffe |
| 17:41.02 | greycat | what in the living hells is a "gourmet pita pizza"? |
| 17:41.08 | Souza10 | DarkFame: yes, it is the way you said to me |
| 17:41.12 | abrotman | greycat: pizza-ish on a pita |
| 17:41.24 | Souza10 | it already was |
| 17:41.25 | aidehua | A pizza made with a topping of grilled cheese and pita breads. |
| 17:41.27 | greycat | abrotman: I suppose I could go down to the cafeteria and find out... |
| 17:41.28 | aidehua | Mmmm mmmmmmm. |
| 17:41.30 | abrotman | like a vermont flatbread store i assume |
| 17:41.48 | t-dub | vermont has flatbread stores? |
| 17:41.48 | greycat | aidehua: cheese? it says "gourmet". |
| 17:41.56 | greycat | cheese would be, like, too *normal*. |
| 17:42.02 | bob2 | no, no |
| 17:42.05 | t-dub | i dont see any |
| 17:42.06 | aidehua | Maybe it is Dairylea? |
| 17:42.11 | bob2 | it could be bocconcini |
| 17:42.16 | bob2 | or feta |
| 17:42.32 | greycat | I may have to undertake this exploratory venture, in the name of Science. |
| 17:42.38 | Souza10 | DarkFame: would the problem be my USB? |
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| 17:43.14 | Overand | Are there any decent applications for debian (or in general) that provide a 'nice' NAT/firewall setup system ala Smoothwall (distro) |
| 17:43.32 | Souza10 | DarkFame: I am getting some with my jumpdrive. some times it doesn't find the device |
| 17:43.32 | bob2 | if you want smoothwall, use smoothwall |
| 17:43.39 | bob2 | if you want something sane, use debian with shorewall |
| 17:43.48 | Rawplayer | :P |
| 17:43.49 | greycat | or openbsd with PF |
| 17:43.56 | PerfDave | If you want smoothwall, use ipcop ;) |
| 17:43.57 | Rawplayer | or buy a sweex router |
| 17:44.00 | Rawplayer | j/k :PPP |
| 17:44.15 | bob2 | or a linksys that runs linux |
| 17:44.31 | bob2 | they've got the whole iptables/iproute shiznit |
| 17:44.39 | Rawplayer | sweex too |
| 17:44.43 | Rawplayer | with mipsel proc |
| 17:44.43 | Overand | I've got a raq4 I want to use as my NAT router. |
| 17:44.51 | DarkFame | doesn't all linksys run linux/busybox? |
| 17:44.53 | PerfDave | bob2: I have evil plans in mind for my girlfriend's linksys wlan router. |
| 17:44.59 | Overand | DarkFame: not all, but many. |
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| 17:45.24 | bob2 | only the wrt54g ones, afaict |
| 17:45.26 | bob2 | PerfDave: hah |
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| 17:45.34 | DarkFame | ic, i have wrt54g |
| 17:45.40 | DarkFame | runs like a dream |
| 17:45.43 | bob2 | I think I went back to the default firmware in the end |
| 17:45.51 | dvs | DarkFame: On Linux? |
| 17:45.57 | DarkFame | I'm using HyperWRT atm |
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| 17:46.14 | DarkFame | busybox 0.60.4 I think |
| 17:46.50 | Souza10 | jogla: thanks for the help |
| 17:47.06 | Souza10 | DarkFame: thanks for the help too |
| 17:47.13 | DarkFame | np |
| 17:47.19 | thnee | http://pastebin.arslinux.com/1163 someone told me the problem was that i dont have the mysql header files installed, are they availible in some package? |
| 17:47.28 | DarkFame | it worked? :) |
| 17:47.35 | Overand | And I don't want to use smoothwall for various reasons. 1 is I like debian, and I can admin my debian boxes with at least a reasonable amount of skill. #2 is that it would be *hellish* to install smoothwal on a cobalt raq 4, and as far as I know, nobody's done it yet |
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| 17:47.49 | Overand | thnee: probably something like msysql-dev |
| 17:48.08 | Souza10 | DarkFame: not really, but it is not boring me by this time |
| 17:48.18 | FieldySnuts | check out ipkungfu , well done configurable little iptables script |
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| 17:48.49 | thnee | Overand: there is none |
| 17:49.01 | greycat | thnee: apt-cache search -- mysql -dev |
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| 17:50.01 | oneo | hey guys - i'm sshed into my desktop right now and my desktop doesnt have a keyboard...is there a way i can execute a command so that it appears on the x-display on my desktop? I've tried export DISPLAY=:0 && xclock but it still says it cant connect |
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| 17:50.17 | thnee | greycat: there is 5 packages there yes |
| 17:51.11 | greycat | thnee: .... |
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| 17:51.21 | greycat | (this is the part where you engage the brain.) |
| 17:51.40 | thnee | har... harr... |
| 17:51.42 | DarkFame | oneo: tried xauth? |
| 17:52.02 | dEa | hos i can chmod all files in directrory |
| 17:52.07 | DarkFame | sorry, xhost + |
| 17:52.07 | thnee | greycat: why do you assume i did not try to understand? |
| 17:52.10 | greycat | dEa: go get a UNIX book. now. |
| 17:52.25 | stew | DarkFame: no |
| 17:52.27 | greycat | thnee: does one of them say "mysql database development files"? |
| 17:52.34 | thnee | no |
| 17:52.38 | thnee | two |
| 17:52.39 | DarkFame | stew: No? |
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| 17:52.51 | stew | DarkFame: using xhost is pretty much never a good idea, and xhost + is always a horrible idea |
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| 17:52.58 | asg | !info libmysqlclient12-dev sarge |
| 17:53.03 | dpkg | libmysqlclient12-dev: (mysql database development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4.0.23-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 2849 kB, Installed size: 8276 kB |
| 17:53.05 | greycat | thnee: hmmm... maybe a sarge box... does one of them say "LGPL-licensed client development files for MySQL databases"? |
| 17:53.19 | greycat | actually sarge has TWO of the former and ONE of the latter. |
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| 17:53.26 | DarkFame | stew: it depends .. if you have the X ports open to the net it's a horrible idea. |
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| 17:53.32 | greycat | it's a veritable cornucopia of *mysql*-dev packages! |
| 17:53.39 | thnee | greycat: yup to it all |
| 17:53.41 | asg | greycat: 10, 12, and 14 on my sid box |
| 17:53.46 | greycat | thnee: SO FUCKING INSTALL ONE!! |
| 17:53.58 | stew | DarkFame: oh how did you know that he has no ports open to the net? or his wireless isn't open? |
| 17:54.08 | DarkFame | stew: I didn't. |
| 17:54.14 | thnee | jesus greycat |
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| 17:54.19 | thnee | whatta moron |
| 17:54.20 | stew | DarkFame: so your suggestion might then have been horrible, do you agree? |
| 17:54.21 | yonatan | anyone knows how can i install dbi.pm without ppm3 ? because my ppm3 tool cannot install it i dont know why. |
| 17:54.27 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 17:54.34 | asg | haha |
| 17:54.37 | DarkFame | stew: Yes, I agree. :) |
| 17:54.44 | dEa | greycat i want to chmod 766 all files in one directrory |
| 17:54.45 | sml | ciao people |
| 17:54.49 | dEa | what opinion i must use |
| 17:54.51 | greycat | dEa: so what's stopping you? |
| 17:54.55 | DarkFame | chmod -R 766 |
| 17:54.57 | greycat | dEa: echo * |
| 17:54.57 | asg | dEa: the buying a UNIX book option |
| 17:54.59 | greycat | DarkFame: NO!!!! |
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| 17:55.06 | greycat | DarkFame: HE DID NOT SAY RECURSIVELY! |
| 17:55.20 | DarkFame | what did he say? |
| 17:55.21 | stew | oneo: are you logged in as the same user that is running the xserver? |
| 17:55.21 | dEa | greycat stfu |
| 17:55.26 | Overand | thnee: why did you call greycat a moron? |
| 17:55.29 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 17:55.37 | bob2 | dEa: stop it |
| 17:55.47 | Phated | dEa: Back off, greycat has it right. |
| 17:55.47 | Overand | greycat: you're really getting the idiots today aren't you? |
| 17:55.51 | greycat | wow, two *PLONKS* in two minutes. |
| 17:55.57 | Rawplayer | "use the force luke" |
| 17:55.57 | dEa | i dont like mad persons |
| 17:55.59 | Rawplayer | :p |
| 17:56.04 | thnee | Overand: so you could pick up a useless disussion 10 minutes later |
| 17:56.12 | bob2 | dEa: then chill out |
| 17:56.17 | Phated | dEa: You apprently shouldn't like being told the correct answer too. |
| 17:56.17 | Overand | thnee: he told you want you needed. |
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| 17:56.34 | dEa | im okey |
| 17:56.35 | nome | hi |
| 17:56.45 | dEa | :] |
| 17:56.53 | Overand | darkfame: he said all files in one directory |
| 17:56.55 | nome | special device /dev/fd0 does not exist ... how can i solve this? |
| 17:56.56 | thnee | Overand: yes in a teribly rude way |
| 17:57.03 | oneo | stew - ah thats my problem! thanks man |
| 17:57.07 | greycat | nome: stop using udev and devfs |
| 17:57.17 | DarkFame | ah.. chmod xxx directory/* |
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| 17:57.34 | bam | people are really asking about chmod in here? |
| 17:57.40 | Overand | thnee: he got frustrated with you because he gave you the information you needed, showed you a list, and you didn't know what to do with it. |
| 17:57.52 | greycat | bam: yes. |
| 17:57.56 | nome | greycat: and autofs will work anyway ? |
| 17:58.00 | Overand | Yeah, he might have over-reacted, but you're going to have to figure some stuff out yourself. |
| 17:58.03 | greycat | nome: uh, yes. |
| 17:58.06 | vincen1 | uh if i have a valid debian install with a broken copy of lilo, if i boot off the debian cd can i specify somewhere that it loads my kernel/install ? |
| 17:58.08 | dEa | is that problem ? |
| 17:58.08 | bob2 | bam: this is a good day |
| 17:58.11 | smagy2 | hello folks, can someone please tell me what tcp port 786 is all about, how do i find out which program open that port ? |
| 17:58.16 | dEa | LoL |
| 17:58.18 | greycat | smagy2: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 17:58.54 | greycat | vincen1: boot into the rescue mode from your CD, mount your root fs, chroot into it, fix /etc/lilo.conf, run lilo, exit, cd /, umount, reboot |
| 17:59.12 | greycat | actually you don't even need "rescue mode" per se, just so long as the kernel can mount the file system |
| 17:59.13 | smagy2 | greycat thank you |
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| 17:59.27 | Overand | and the disc has chroot, which i'm sure it will |
| 17:59.41 | Overand | is chroot part of busybox, or is it lower level than shell-level? |
| 18:00.00 | greycat | it's definitely present on the woody CD #1. |
| 18:00.28 | Seb | i run ntpdate, put my laptop to sleep, and invariably when I wake it up, the time is off by 8 hours. I suspect a problem of "HW clock set to GMT or not", but I'm unsure how to fix it... |
| 18:00.32 | Seb | can someone help ? |
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| 18:00.42 | DarkFame | Seb: tzconfig |
| 18:01.05 | DarkFame | sorry, tzselect |
| 18:01.05 | Seb | DarkFame: my TZ *is* correctly set (SU/Pacific) |
| 18:01.08 | Seb | ah |
| 18:01.17 | stew | Seb: /etc/default/rcS |
| 18:01.34 | Overand | sigh |
| 18:01.36 | Laibsch | Hi, I just pasted a more detail description of a problem I have with upgrading packages via aptitude to http://channels.debian.net/paste/266. I'd be grateful if you guys took a look |
| 18:01.40 | Overand | i hate hanging up on telemarketers. |
| 18:01.43 | stew | Seb: i don't know if that is really the problem but thats where UTC is set |
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| 18:02.01 | nome | greycat: modprobe floppy :P |
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| 18:02.09 | Phated | Isn't there something in base-config where it asks you whether your hardware clock is GMT? |
| 18:02.22 | DarkFame | that's tzselect |
| 18:02.28 | Seb | stew: well it says UTC=no, and indeed my hwclock is set to the local time... |
| 18:02.36 | Seb | stew: so I'm not sure what's going on |
| 18:02.58 | DarkFame | what does tzconfig say? |
| 18:03.09 | Seb | current time zone is set to US/Pacific |
| 18:03.24 | DarkFame | which is correct? |
| 18:03.28 | Seb | yep |
| 18:03.33 | bascuppen | hi, I just finished an upgrade to testing which went fine, and an upgrade to kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, which is running at the moment. However, eth0 isn't recognised anymore. I'm figuring I should use modconf, but I'm not sure how to identify the card. Has anyone any insights in my problem? |
| 18:03.33 | asuffield | hardware clocks *should* be set to GMT |
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| 18:03.45 | oKtosiTe | is there a good fontpack package available? I need more fonts |
| 18:03.49 | Seb | asuffield: ah, I was under the impression that I had a choice |
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| 18:03.59 | Seb | (ieven the choice in rcS, I mean) |
| 18:04.06 | DarkFame | msttcorefonts - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts |
| 18:04.07 | bob2 | bascuppen: PCI? |
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| 18:04.11 | asuffield | Seb: windows buggers up the clock by default |
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| 18:04.21 | Seb | asuffield: i don't have windows on this box though :) |
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| 18:04.28 | thnee | I installed this lidmysqlclient10-dev and there is absolutely no change when compiling the program |
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| 18:04.50 | DarkFame | thnee: did you rerun configure? |
| 18:04.50 | bascuppen | bob2, PCI indeed |
| 18:05.07 | bob2 | bascuppen: installing hoptplug should be enough for the module to get loaded, then |
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| 18:05.31 | thnee | DarkFame: thx |
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| 18:06.11 | alfatau | hi, what do i need to send emails from console? i need to do some scripts which send mails. |
| 18:06.34 | stew | alfatau: man mail |
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| 18:07.51 | smagy2 | hello folks, trivial question, how do send the output of a man page to a printer when in console mode |
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| 18:08.29 | smagy2 | alfatau: mail is a command, that can be used. echo test | mail username |
| 18:08.32 | bascuppen | !info hotplug testing |
| 18:08.35 | dpkg | hotplug: (Linux Hotplug Scripts), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.20040329-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 372 kB |
| 18:08.40 | berzerka | stew: hmm.. isnt mail only for 'system-intern' mail on a unix system?.. i guess hes looking for sensmail.. *unsure* |
| 18:08.47 | bob2 | berzerka: no |
| 18:08.54 | bob2 | mail doesn't know how to speak smtp |
| 18:09.05 | bob2 | in fact, all it knows how to do is invoke /usr/sbin/sendmail with some argumentsw |
| 18:09.13 | bob2 | then sendmail delivers the email, whether it be local or remote |
| 18:09.37 | berzerka | ah! thanx.. *investigates the manpage more closely* |
| 18:09.45 | DarkFame | bob2: depends on sendmail config |
| 18:09.57 | bob2 | DarkFame: how so? |
| 18:10.02 | alfatau | smagy2: ok, i tried but i got errors about exim configuration. what's exim's rule sending mails, and how to configure it? |
| 18:10.07 | asuffield | DarkFame: no, the behaviour of mailx is not affected by sendmail config |
| 18:10.10 | DarkFame | sendmail can be configure not to replay |
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| 18:10.14 | bob2 | blah |
| 18:10.17 | DarkFame | relay |
| 18:10.18 | DarkFame | even |
| 18:10.25 | bob2 | that's a seperate issue |
| 18:10.29 | CarlosAlex | shit |
| 18:10.32 | bob2 | you could cut your ethernet cable with scissors, too |
| 18:10.37 | DarkFame | lol |
| 18:10.42 | CarlosAlex | I change the printer, and nothing to get this working |
| 18:10.45 | asuffield | you'd have to be really imaginative to configure an MTA not to 'relay' locally injected mail. not to mention insane. |
| 18:11.17 | DarkFame | asuffield: misconfiguration does it |
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| 18:11.51 | infodroid | how can i configure my debian system to give me random problems? |
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| 18:12.00 | bascuppen | bob2, I'm under the impression hotplug is for usb devices. Is there any other way to get that pci-ethernet card in the air, without installing? |
| 18:12.04 | ongeboren | stick the ethernet in the electricity contact.. removes all hackers for sure :) |
| 18:12.09 | Empty | infodroid, wrong channel, please go to #gentoo |
| 18:12.16 | bob2 | bascuppen: no, it's for everything devices |
| 18:12.19 | DarkFame | rofl |
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| 18:12.22 | smagy2 | alfatau: i am no expert with exim, can't help you with that |
| 18:12.25 | bascuppen | rofl |
| 18:12.29 | DarkFame | infodroid: run it in vmware under windows |
| 18:12.41 | DarkFame | it would give you random problems.. sort of. |
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| 18:13.03 | Empty | infodroid, alternately you could go to sid and put an hourly "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" cron job in place |
| 18:13.08 | infodroid | DarkFame: the sight of windows would be the main problem |
| 18:13.21 | CarlosAlex | How do I stop the exim4 service |
| 18:13.29 | asg | CarlosAlex: /etc/init.d/exim4 stop |
| 18:13.30 | infodroid | Empty: thats good, i like that |
| 18:13.31 | CarlosAlex | everytime is started |
| 18:13.43 | noid2 | what do you people think intel p4 2.8 or athlon 2400 ? |
| 18:13.45 | DarkFame | rcconf |
| 18:13.47 | asg | CarlosAlex: man update-rc.d |
| 18:14.00 | DarkFame | asg: No |
| 18:14.02 | noid2 | for server |
| 18:14.06 | usn | hi all |
| 18:14.08 | asg | DarkFame: yes, for removal, it's easy |
| 18:14.10 | CarlosAlex | asg, thanks |
| 18:14.14 | quentusrex | haha Empty |
| 18:14.19 | quentusrex | I use Sid |
| 18:14.23 | quentusrex | and have had no problems yet |
| 18:14.33 | bascuppen | bob2, ok thanx. Now only a way to install hotplug without internet, or cdrom.... |
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| 18:14.57 | bob2 | I'm surprised it's not on by default |
| 18:15.06 | alfatau | hi, can anyone explain to me what's exim? and what's its role sending mails? |
| 18:15.18 | DarkFame | noid2: p4 with ht? |
| 18:15.19 | Empty | Noid, the p4 |
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| 18:15.24 | Rawplayer | sup usn |
| 18:15.25 | DarkFame | exim = MTA |
| 18:15.39 | asg | alfatau: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 18:15.42 | quentusrex | I would like to use a debugger feature that I haven't seen yet, I would like to record all the ASM code that is executed between two breaks to a file for review later. |
| 18:15.46 | alfatau | DarkFame: MTA=? |
| 18:15.53 | ricky_clarkson | !mta |
| 18:15.54 | dpkg | i guess mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 18:15.54 | DarkFame | Mail Transport Agent |
| 18:16.04 | asg | quentusrex: #c |
| 18:16.14 | quentusrex | asg? |
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| 18:16.36 | asg | quentusrex: #c or #asm would be a good place to ask about debugger features |
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| 18:16.44 | noid2 | Darkframe:no |
| 18:16.47 | quentusrex | ooh, oops |
| 18:16.52 | quentusrex | I thought i was in that channel |
| 18:16.53 | quentusrex | my bad. |
| 18:17.31 | stew | apt-get install irssi-text :) |
| 18:17.38 | Empty | Anyone know an easy way to /dev/null mail for userx in Exim? |
| 18:17.39 | pzn | how to tell dpkg or apt that I want the minimum packages, that is just "required" packages? |
| 18:17.49 | Rawplayer | Empty: procmail |
| 18:18.19 | Empty | Rawplayer, you must be kidding |
| 18:18.35 | asg | Empty: or create a router + transport combination to do it. |
| 18:18.41 | DarkFame | PROCMAIL? |
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| 18:19.05 | Empty | OK so there's no easy way then... Hrm |
| 18:19.08 | stew | pzn: thats apt does by default |
| 18:19.36 | Empty | Well, that's a good enough excuse for a qmail install in my book. Thanks guys :) |
| 18:19.40 | CarlosAlex | Where do I found router config ? |
| 18:20.17 | stew | pzn: if you think you have some pacakges which were brought in by dependencies that no longer exist then use deborphan to find them |
| 18:20.19 | asg | Empty: it didn't say creating the router + transport was hard ;) |
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| 18:20.44 | Empty | asg, probably more in depth than I am looking for though |
| 18:20.52 | Ziral | hello! |
| 18:21.04 | asg | Empty: maybe |
| 18:21.17 | asg | Empty: either way, if you are comfortable with qmail, no reason not to use it. |
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| 18:21.50 | Ziral | anybody expert in preseed install!?!! |
| 18:21.52 | Yildirim | hello, who can help me with debian acpi power down & cpu cooling module? |
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| 18:22.21 | croepha_ | is there a way to fake somoeone else's MAC address? |
| 18:22.22 | Yildirim | i have already installed acpid because they are not working |
| 18:22.24 | Empty | asg, thanks |
| 18:22.25 | asg | Ziral: preseed instal!?!! |
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| 18:22.37 | asg | croepha_: man ifconfig |
| 18:22.50 | pzn | stew: I am doing a new install in a hardware with low disk space. just want dselect to install required + important. does not want standard packages. any suggestion? |
| 18:22.54 | Rawplayer | croepha_: why would you do that? |
| 18:22.59 | Ziral | asg, yea! |
| 18:23.10 | Empty | pzn, do a "base" install |
| 18:23.17 | Empty | pzn, then add what you need |
| 18:23.27 | croepha_ | Rawplayer: to make the isp think its router nevwer changed |
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| 18:23.44 | pder | is anyone here familiar with apt-zip? |
| 18:23.57 | ricky_clarkson | apt: your fly is down |
| 18:23.58 | apt | ...but your fly is already something else... |
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| 18:24.02 | ricky_clarkson | ~your fly |
| 18:24.03 | apt | your fly is, like, undone |
| 18:24.04 | Empty | croepha_, only certain hardware supports MAC spoofing |
| 18:24.06 | ricky_clarkson | Heh. |
| 18:24.10 | pzn | Empty, what do you mean by "base" install? |
| 18:24.18 | Laibsch | Repost: Hi, I just pasted a more detailed description of a problem I have with upgrading packages via aptitude to http://channels.debian.net/paste/266. I'd be grateful if you guys took a look. |
| 18:24.21 | CarlosAlex | Which file is the router setup ??? |
| 18:24.34 | asg | CarlosAlex: what router are you talking about? |
| 18:24.42 | CarlosAlex | gateway |
| 18:24.43 | Empty | pzn, just don't select anything under dselect when you install and use apt-get to get whatever it is you want |
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| 18:24.53 | croepha_ | asg: ifconfig doesen't help |
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| 18:24.58 | Empty | pzn how limited is the space? |
| 18:25.03 | CrypticSquared | LI |
| 18:25.09 | asg | croepha_: ifconfig hw <class> <address> (didn't work?) |
| 18:25.24 | pder | anyone familiar with apt-zip? |
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| 18:25.36 | ricky_clarkson | anyone know how to ask questions? |
| 18:25.42 | valdyn | Yildirim: acpid has not much to do with either, though acpid can trigger a shutdown on an acpi event |
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| 18:26.01 | pder | ricky_clarkson: no |
| 18:26.03 | pzn | Empty: 200mb |
| 18:26.07 | a_monkey | when i try to install or remove something with apt-get, i get this error: `E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header' |
| 18:26.15 | CrypticSquared | when i restart all i get is LI, someone was saying put lba in a config or something? |
| 18:26.23 | Yildirim | hello, who can help me with debian acpi power down & cpu cooling module? |
| 18:26.24 | infodroid | ricky_clarkson: do you? :) |
| 18:26.24 | Empty | pzn: base will fit in there |
| 18:26.25 | Yildirim | i have already installed acpid because they are not working |
| 18:26.32 | asg | a_monkey: fix your preferences file then |
| 18:26.34 | Ziral | I am trying to genereate preseed files for a custom debian-installer deployment, and I am having problems when automatically setting the timezone. When using a pt_BR locale and a Brazil East timezone setting, a screen shows up asking me to select a region. However, the setup goes fine if I use an US locale. How can I fix this problem? |
| 18:26.35 | ecko | any gnome experts |
| 18:26.39 | CarlosAlex | route add default gw 192.168.80.241 This is the runned command |
| 18:26.45 | asg | ecko: #gnome of irc.oftc.net |
| 18:26.45 | valdyn | Yildirim: there is no "acpi power down", what do you want? |
| 18:26.46 | ricky_clarkson | ecko: any experts on asking questions? |
| 18:26.50 | Empty | pzn: I have a server with < 400mb on it, and I have a ton of crap installed on it |
| 18:26.58 | ricky_clarkson | pder: Just ask. |
| 18:27.09 | asg | CarlosAlex: add it to your /etc/network/interfaces with an 'up' keyword (man 5 interfaces) |
| 18:27.10 | infodroid | Ziral: what is the problem? you don't want that screen popping up? |
| 18:27.12 | a_monkey | asg: there's nothing in my prefs file. |
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| 18:27.22 | ecko | asg: been there done that, the gnome guys say my problem is distro specific |
| 18:27.23 | asg | a_monkey: then remove the file and see if that helps |
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| 18:27.37 | asg | ecko: I think there is a #debian-gnome or #gnome-debian on there too |
| 18:27.43 | Empty | !ask to ask |
| 18:27.43 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! Omit any irrelevant details. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel. |
| 18:27.43 | a_monkey | asg: oh that helps :) thx |
| 18:27.58 | pder | fine. i want to use apt-zip to install some packages on a laptop that has no drivers yet for a network card. the question is, how do i get the list of available packages on the machine if I cant call apt-get update in the first place? |
| 18:28.05 | asg | a_monkey: did that fix it? |
| 18:28.05 | ecko | asg: they exist but nobody is in there |
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| 18:28.10 | asg | ecko: ah |
| 18:28.11 | a_monkey | asg: yup |
| 18:28.13 | robin_sz | meep! |
| 18:28.14 | ecko | ricky_clarkson: I'm sure little quips like that get you laid a lot :) |
| 18:28.15 | ricky_clarkson | pder: What do you mean by available packages? |
| 18:28.16 | Ziral | infodroid, Yes, that's right. The screen should not pop up, as that setting is already defined in the configuration file. |
| 18:28.23 | greycat | OK, a "gourmet pita pizza" is a 5-inch-diameter flat bread thing with some (unspecified) cheese and veggies on it, for $3.29. I did not buy one. |
| 18:28.32 | asg | a_monkey: a djbware enabled config file then |
| 18:28.35 | Empty | pder- why not just get the .debs and use dpkg? |
| 18:28.36 | infodroid | Ziral: ok, i never heard of this problem, did you check the BTS? |
| 18:28.38 | pipeline | It isn't pizza without sauce. |
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| 18:28.47 | greycat | I don't know what's under the cheese. there might have been sauce. |
| 18:28.49 | ricky_clarkson | ecko: I use more primitive approaches: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/lisa.txt |
| 18:29.02 | robin_sz | so ... java on debian, is there a .deb of the Blackdown port hiding somewhere I cant see it? |
| 18:29.08 | greycat | robin_sz: /msg dpkg install java |
| 18:29.08 | pder | ricky_clarkson: the list of packages in for example in sarge. right now all apt knows about are the packages that were on my netinst CD |
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| 18:29.17 | greycat | pder: apt-setup |
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| 18:29.20 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: You don't need Blackdown. Sun exists with the same licence. |
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| 18:29.40 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Does apt-setup act as an interface to apt-zip too? |
| 18:29.49 | greycat | dunno. |
| 18:29.52 | robin_sz | ok, is there a .deb of the sun jvm |
| 18:29.58 | jvw | robin_sz: java-package |
| 18:30.00 | robin_sz | hiding somewhere I cant find it |
| 18:30.01 | greycat | robin_sz: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 18:30.06 | pder | greycat: i have no sarge CDs other than the netinst CD and no network. |
| 18:30.15 | greycat | what the hell good is a unix box with no network? |
| 18:30.18 | CrypticSquared | can anyone help me with LI on reboot? |
| 18:30.19 | greycat | nethack terminal? |
| 18:30.23 | greycat | CrypticSquared: /msg dpkg li |
| 18:30.28 | asg | greycat: /usr/bin trolling? |
| 18:30.30 | lucasvv | Good evening from Amstelveen, The Netherlands - a rather chilly, but wonderful evening I might add. |
| 18:30.34 | Ziral | infodroid, the US preseed install is ok.... the problem is in pt_BR install (in timezone step) |
| 18:30.36 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: You could store stuff on floppy, read docs, etc. |
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| 18:30.43 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Or use a removable hard drive. |
| 18:30.50 | Empty | greycat, dedicated Xscreensaver station |
| 18:30.52 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I've got a sid box with no network or modem at home. |
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| 18:30.53 | CarlosAlex | After changes the file /etc/network/interfaces... How do I restart the service? |
| 18:30.57 | ricky_clarkson | Empty: Haha. |
| 18:30.58 | pder | greycat: its a laptop with a wifi card that i need additional packages in order to build a driver |
| 18:31.13 | robin_sz | I just tried apt-get install java and java-package ... both failed |
| 18:31.15 | asg | CarlosAlex: ifdown <iface> ; ifup <iface> (don't do this if you are not on console) |
| 18:31.17 | greycat | pder: put the hard disk in a real box, install debian, move it back. |
| 18:31.19 | Empty | pder, build the driver elsewhere and import the deb file |
| 18:31.22 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: How did the latter fail? |
| 18:31.27 | pder | greycat: laptop |
| 18:31.40 | greycat | pder: real laptops have ethernet |
| 18:31.40 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 18:31.47 | greycat | robin_sz: /msg dpkg install java |
| 18:31.49 | ricky_clarkson | !info java-package |
| 18:31.51 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.20 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 18:31.57 | greycat | !+info java-package sarge |
| 18:31.58 | pder | greycat: its 5 years old. no pcmcia nic either |
| 18:31.59 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.19 (sarge), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
| 18:32.00 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: What version of Debian? |
| 18:32.04 | greycat | wow, it's even in sarge now. |
| 18:32.07 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: sarge |
| 18:32.09 | infodroid | Ziral: what i asked is whether your checked the Bug Tracking System aka BTS for this - if not, then report it |
| 18:32.11 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: apt-get update |
| 18:32.19 | greycat | pder: throw it away? |
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| 18:32.27 | CarlosAlex | How do I know if my computer is firewalled ? |
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| 18:32.32 | Empty | pder, 5 years old with no PCMCIA? How does it have wifi? |
| 18:32.36 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: Add contrib to your sources if that doesn't work. |
| 18:32.36 | dvs | CarlosAlex: grc.com |
| 18:32.39 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: doen that, still fails |
| 18:32.41 | asg | CarlosAlex: /sbin/iptables -vL |
| 18:32.55 | pder | Empty: it has pcmcia, but i dont own a ethernet card for it |
| 18:33.00 | robin_sz | ok, contrib, not sure what that means, but I'll look |
| 18:33.00 | lucasvv | A small question... If, from a bash prompt, run a long task, like 'updatedb', and stop the task using Ctrl-Z, and the run it in the background with 'bg' - does all this result in any data loss? |
| 18:33.03 | Empty | pder, Oohhhhh ok |
| 18:33.06 | infodroid | CarlosAlex: run a smtp and samba server and wait for the hackers |
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| 18:33.07 | jvw | robin_sz: it's in contrib because sun's JVM is non-free |
| 18:33.07 | ricky_clarkson | !contrib |
| 18:33.07 | dpkg | [contrib] debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages |
| 18:33.28 | asg | lucasvv: it shouldn't |
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| 18:33.33 | Empty | lucasvv, no it should not, no guarantee on what happens with processes that talk to each other though |
| 18:33.49 | CarlosAlex | Im asking because, I get read emails using pop3, but cannot send using smtp |
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| 18:34.01 | asg | CarlosAlex: your ISP may ban outbound SMTP |
| 18:34.17 | lucasvv | Empty: Does updatedb, eh, talk to each other? :) |
| 18:34.19 | greycat | CarlosAlex: easily tested. telnet <someMX> 25 |
| 18:34.20 | LunarFaul | I love you Debian :x:x:X |
| 18:34.22 | Ziral | infodroid, ok... I will check |
| 18:34.22 | asg | CarlosAlex: try this 'telnet 64.156.215.18 25' |
| 18:34.35 | pder | despite the fact that my laptop sucks, could someone tell me how to use apt-zip given that apt doesnt know about all the packages in sarge? I need to somehow move the package list over from another box |
| 18:34.38 | asg | CarlosAlex: if you don't get the mailserver in 2 to 3 minutes, that's likely the problem |
| 18:34.38 | robin_sz | !contrib |
| 18:34.38 | dpkg | it has been said that contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages |
| 18:34.43 | valdyn | CarlosAlex: if you have a dynamic IP, then you dont really want to send email |
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| 18:34.50 | infodroid | Ziral: because it seems like a bug to me, you shouldn't be having that problem |
| 18:34.52 | valdyn | CarlosAlex: if you have a dynamic IP, then you dont really want to send email via smtp |
| 18:34.54 | greycat | valdyn: oh, he may *want* to... |
| 18:35.08 | valdyn | greycat: unfortunately.. |
| 18:35.21 | greycat | !mourn the pre-spam internet |
| 18:35.29 | asg | valdyn: I'm more confident in my mta than my ISPs |
| 18:35.32 | greycat | hey... didn't we change "moans"? |
| 18:35.40 | greycat | !factinfo CMD: mourn (.*?) |
| 18:35.41 | dpkg | cmd: mourn (.*?) -- created by dondelelcaro <~don@archimedes.urmc.rochester.edu> at Thu Oct 24 23:28:16 2002 (844 days); it has been requested 10 times, last by tix64 at Mon Apr 7 14:03:19 2003. |
| 18:35.45 | greycat | @factinfo CMD: mourn (.*?) |
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| 18:36.18 | CarlosAlex | It worked |
| 18:36.21 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: mourn (.*?) =~ s/moans/sobs/ |
| 18:36.21 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 18:36.22 | ricky_clarkson | !disbelieve in the pre-spam internet |
| 18:36.29 | asg | ricky_clarkson: I remember it |
| 18:36.31 | robin_sz | so to get contrib, presumably I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 18:36.39 | berzerka | yep |
| 18:36.39 | asg | CarlosAlex: then your mta is not configured. |
| 18:36.41 | pder | apt-zip doesnt seem to make any sense. it says its designed for machines with no network connectivity, yet you still need to be able to apt-get update |
| 18:36.42 | Petererke | how do i get more information about this process 12194 apache 25 0 2312 2312 468 R 0 87.9 0.1 105:24 perl |
| 18:36.43 | CrypticSquared | ok i followed all the instructions, lba32 is in lilo.conf, all the partitions are right, but it hangs on li how do i install grub of the debian disk 1? |
| 18:36.51 | greycat | Petererke: what more info do you want? |
| 18:36.58 | CarlosAlex | asg, I dont have MTA |
| 18:37.01 | greycat | Petererke: strace and lsof are both quite handy. |
| 18:37.05 | ricky_clarkson | pder: I struggled too, but I don't remember how. Does greycat's answer of apt-setup not help? |
| 18:37.09 | greycat | CarlosAlex: that's a bad thing. |
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| 18:37.11 | asg | CarlosAlex: yes you do or your box won't work correctly |
| 18:37.12 | Petererke | i want to know which perlscript |
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| 18:37.16 | Petererke | it is |
| 18:37.23 | Petererke | some hacker is running it |
| 18:37.23 | greycat | asg: who said his box works correctly? :/ |
| 18:37.24 | CarlosAlex | I just used smtp.mail.yahoo.com.br |
| 18:37.30 | berzerka | robin_sz: just add the word contrib behind your apt server entries |
| 18:37.32 | Petererke | and i want to know what it is before i kill it |
| 18:37.36 | asg | greycat: granted |
| 18:37.44 | greycat | Petererke: strace it |
| 18:37.44 | oKtosiTe | Should I try blackbox or fluxbox, anyone? |
| 18:37.47 | CarlosAlex | And its not working correctelly |
| 18:37.57 | robin_sz | berzerka: ah ha! right thanks! |
| 18:38.01 | ricky_clarkson | Petererke: Can you strace an already-running program? |
| 18:38.04 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: ^^ |
| 18:38.08 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: probably not |
| 18:38.10 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: yes. -p |
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| 18:38.14 | asg | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 18:38.16 | valdyn | CarlosAlex: can you send mail _after_ you try to recieve pop3 mail from it? |
| 18:38.17 | ricky_clarkson | That's a weird smiley. |
| 18:38.21 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it's a -p |
| 18:38.22 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: apparently I haven't a clue :) |
| 18:38.22 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, I *see*. ;) |
| 18:38.30 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I know, just kidding. |
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| 18:38.50 | Petererke | strace: select(128, [127], NULL, NULL, {0, 0}) = 0 (Timeout) |
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| 18:39.02 | CrypticSquared | during the main install the only option for a boot loader is lilo, how do i install grub when all i get is li? is it on the cd? |
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| 18:39.22 | greycat | CrypticSquared: use sarge. use sarge. use sarge. |
| 18:39.27 | Empty | lucasvv, (sorry AFKed) updatedb is just a find command, has no IPC stuff I am aware of... I would be wary of using the ^z on any kind of network service in particular though |
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| 18:39.51 | rjgrel | has anyone here tried installing debian64 from the latest sid netboot cd? |
| 18:39.59 | CrypticSquared | im using the testing one |
| 18:40.02 | Ziral | infodroid, ok |
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| 18:40.22 | Petererke | so anybody know how i see which perl script is run ? |
| 18:40.22 | LunarFaul | rjgrel: are you trying to install onto an amd64? |
| 18:40.34 | greycat | Petererke: lsof |
| 18:40.35 | stew | there are sid netboot cds? |
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| 18:40.42 | rjgrel | LunarFaul: yessir, it stalls at loading grub after installing the base system |
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| 18:40.54 | greycat | Petererke: but they might have fed the perl on stdin or on the argument vector. (Is that "ps auxwww" output?) |
| 18:40.58 | stew | rjgrel: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 18:41.00 | a_monkey | if i'm removing debian xfree86 and installing ubuntu's xorg package, should i use debian's Xsession or ubuntu's Xsession package? |
| 18:41.10 | Petererke | ps aux |
| 18:41.11 | pder | !irritate pder |
| 18:41.12 | dpkg | pder: Y iz debain so old? who uses kde hello? |
| 18:41.13 | CarlosAlex | valdyn, I just get the emails |
| 18:41.17 | Petererke | no www |
| 18:41.20 | rjgrel | danke stew |
| 18:41.23 | LunarFaul | rjgrel: the amd64 platform is still buggy. tried like alot of distros on my friends and all was crap put nt on it till the portage is more mature =) is my advice even nt sucks |
| 18:41.23 | CarlosAlex | I cannot send using yahoo smtp |
| 18:41.23 | stew | a_monkey: we dont' support xorg here |
| 18:41.26 | CarlosAlex | I dont know why |
| 18:41.34 | stew | rjgrel: de nada |
| 18:41.35 | greycat | and we sure as hell don't support *ubuntu* xorg. |
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| 18:41.49 | infodroid | a_monkey: what is ubuntu? this is #debian |
| 18:41.52 | valdyn | CarlosAlex: i want you to try a _send_ immediately after you try to recieve pop3 mail |
| 18:41.54 | greycat | CarlosAlex: so use your ISP's relays. |
| 18:42.00 | asg | CarlosAlex: because they aren't an open relay. Configure your broken mta to use your ISP's SMTP gateway as a smarthost |
| 18:42.10 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 18:42.10 | dpkg | hmm... mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 18:42.26 | CarlosAlex | How ? |
| 18:42.35 | CarlosAlex | !mail tutorial |
| 18:42.35 | dpkg | mail tutorial is, like, at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 18:42.40 | greycat | CarlosAlex: in woody, "eximconfig" |
| 18:42.52 | asg | CarlosAlex: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config in sarge/sid |
| 18:42.54 | greycat | in sarge, "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
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| 18:43.26 | Petererke | lsof i can try but what do i search for |
| 18:43.26 | J_P | people, what i need change more (i change lilo and fstab and run lilo) for my debian hdd run in sec mater(hdc) ? |
| 18:43.33 | Petererke | the file can be named anything |
| 18:43.34 | greycat | Petererke: Clue. |
| 18:43.41 | valdyn | CarlosAlex: did you try what i asked? |
| 18:43.49 | asg | Colonel Mustard in the Study with the Revolver |
| 18:43.52 | asg | |o/ |
| 18:44.04 | J_P | or with lilo not is possible ? only grub ? |
| 18:44.05 | greycat | J_P: your computer has to be able to BOOT the lilo boot loader. |
| 18:44.06 | CarlosAlex | valdyn, I tried |
| 18:44.06 | Delph | mustard in the study with diamonds? |
| 18:44.09 | CarlosAlex | didnt worked |
| 18:44.19 | robin_sz | oh fooey ... who killed dotdebs.org? |
| 18:44.25 | J_P | greycat: then i need use grub for this ? |
| 18:44.28 | CarlosAlex | I m trying the greycat tip |
| 18:44.30 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: JR, probably. |
| 18:44.32 | greycat | J_P: your computer must be able to BOOT the grub boot loader. |
| 18:44.37 | stew | robin_sz: their repositories are still up, just not the content of the site |
| 18:45.01 | robin_sz | serves them right for running IIS ;) |
| 18:46.07 | J_P | greycat: here with lilo work start LILO when are in hdc(i change in bios to init in sec master) |
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| 18:46.20 | CarlosAlex | In debian is so difficult to use smtp mail by kmail |
| 18:46.38 | asg | CarlosAlex: then point kmail to your ISP's smarthost |
| 18:46.45 | muaddib | does anyhone use freeradius |
| 18:47.08 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 18:47.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 18:47.26 | CarlosAlex | just a moment asg |
| 18:47.59 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: im confused, ive done the contrib thing, the update thing and the apt-get java-package thing, but still no java command ... |
| 18:48.14 | CarlosAlex | I dont have the smarthost |
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| 18:48.22 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: What did java-package leave you with? |
| 18:48.28 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: hint: dpkg -L java-package |
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| 18:48.50 | muaddib | Question I am trying to configure eap-ttls for my radius enviroment and I am having an Issue. I am trying to get password too authenticate to our LDAP server, but my problem is that I don't store the password in the LDAP database I get it from another source (kerberos). So when configuring eap is it possible to make an EAP type using PAP instead of the other default ones line (MSCHAP, MD5 SIM) |
| 18:48.50 | greycat | hint: /msg dpkg install java |
| 18:48.53 | jvw | robin_sz: /usr/share/doc/java-package/README |
| 18:48.55 | CrypticSquared | ok, why can the installer restart the computer but i cant???? |
| 18:49.02 | robin_sz | ahh right |
| 18:49.15 | greycat | although apparently we can update that factoid now that java-package has migrated into sarge. |
| 18:49.16 | valdyn | CrypticSquared: why cant you? what are you trying to do to restart it? |
| 18:49.33 | CrypticSquared | this damn li thing, i have tried everything |
| 18:49.40 | CrypticSquared | i even made a boot partition |
| 18:49.42 | Ziral | infodroid, I don't search bug... ?!! |
| 18:49.44 | CarlosAlex | Just to use smtp.mail.yahoo.com.br is necessary to setup smarthost in exim ? |
| 18:49.47 | greycat | dpkg, no, install java is <reply> First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, you're screwed. Ask me about <install java by hand>. |
| 18:49.47 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 18:50.08 | greycat | CarlosAlex: I seriously doubt yahoo.com is willing to act as a relay for you. |
| 18:50.20 | jvw | greycat: if in woody, java-package works fine on woody |
| 18:50.21 | infodroid | Ziral: what does that mean? |
| 18:50.26 | joebob2000 | anyone seen this message in namp on sarge-testing "Serious time computation problem in adjust_timeout" |
| 18:50.32 | jvw | greycat: I've especially payed attention to make java-package work on woody |
| 18:50.35 | asg | CarlosAlex: no, configure kmail to send directly to your ISP's smarthost (it should be listed on the piece of paper they ISP gave you when you signed up.) |
| 18:50.38 | greycat | jvw: oh! that's good. |
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| 18:50.43 | joebob2000 | its 100% package based so i believe all the deps are there for nmap |
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| 18:51.05 | greycat | dpkg, no, install java is <reply> First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. |
| 18:51.05 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 18:51.21 | Ziral | infodroid, preseed .. tzconfig .. pt_BR ... debian-installer |
| 18:51.27 | Royalbuds | hi, the xterm color under fluxbox. how can i change the colors? |
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| 18:51.55 | greycat | dpkg, java-package =~ s/ only in sid currently/only in sarge and sid currently/ |
| 18:51.55 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 18:52.15 | stew | wow thats great news |
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| 18:52.25 | greycat | dpkg, java-package =~ s/use it in sarge. Grab/use it in woody. Sarge users (not woody!) may want/ |
| 18:52.25 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 18:52.31 | robin_sz | jvw: ok, so I just run the appropriate java install script as root, and get and -su permission denied error |
| 18:52.36 | infodroid | Ziral: so you didn't find the bug? is that what you mean? |
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| 18:52.44 | infodroid | Ziral: in the BTS? |
| 18:52.51 | CarlosAlex | I dont have ISP smarthost |
| 18:52.57 | BrianAnthony | Where would I add ZAxisMapping "4 5" in my XF86Config-4 file? |
| 18:52.57 | Jacobo221 | has anyone been able to run playmidi with alsa on a SBLive ? |
| 18:53.03 | quitte | is dvb support broken with debian kernels? lots of modules are loaded, but neither vdr nor xawtv can use them. |
| 18:53.09 | greycat | robin_sz: you have it located on a file system that's mounted with "user", or "noexec", or you didn't chmod +x it. |
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| 18:53.33 | asg | CarlosAlex: it might be listed as SMTP server. |
| 18:53.52 | asg | CarlosAlex: if not, call them and ask |
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| 18:54.00 | CarlosAlex | We dont have it |
| 18:54.08 | valdyn | BrianAnthony: at the "InputDevice" section referring to your mouse ( there might be more than one, add it to the one you actually use ) |
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| 18:54.13 | CarlosAlex | I always used yahoo |
| 18:54.22 | marrat | I have some problems with GRUB: After I installed it with aptitude I started grub-install /dev/hda but it quit with this error: "Could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device" |
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| 18:54.37 | asg | CarlosAlex: and you can't call your ISP and ask them what their smarthost is? |
| 18:54.41 | quitte | no dvb users here? i really wonder what's the problem with dvb so that noone uses it. |
| 18:54.50 | jla | I would like to set aside one partition for temp files and have /tmp and /var/tmp (and /usr/tmp) point to it via a symbolic link. I plan on having /tempdirs/tmp and /tmpdirs/vtmp as the targets of the links because of the differing deletion policies. Unfortunatly programs stat the filesystem the symlink is in instead of the target. Is what I'm trying to do a bad idea, or are those programs not doing the right thing? |
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| 18:55.12 | greycat | jla: which programs? |
| 18:55.14 | CarlosAlex | In slackware I didnt need to ask about this smarthost |
| 18:55.26 | stew | quitte: checked the bts? |
| 18:55.26 | CarlosAlex | I was using in slackware |
| 18:55.27 | jla | greycat k3b is one I can think of offhand |
| 18:55.27 | marrat | starting GRUB and entering root (hd0,7) worked but setup (hd0) also ended with an error: grub checked for stage files but couldn't find any |
| 18:55.29 | greycat | CarlosAlex: then it just Didn't Work. Silently. |
| 18:55.33 | Ziral | infodroid, yes, that's what I mean |
| 18:55.38 | greycat | jla: file a bug. |
| 18:55.46 | CarlosAlex | It was working perfectelly greycat |
| 18:55.51 | marrat | how could I get those files or how could I get Grub to work? |
| 18:55.57 | greycat | CarlosAlex: then use the slackware config. |
| 18:56.01 | valdyn | CarlosAlex: you dont need to involve exim in sending smtp mail with kmail |
| 18:56.17 | infodroid | Ziral: so file a bug report. in the meantime write a hack to somehow circumvent the problem, perhaps set the tz after a English install using a custom script, etc... |
| 18:56.30 | CrypticSquared | greycat, i am downloading the sarge netinstall cd hope this works |
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| 18:57.28 | valdyn | quitte: why do you think no one uses it? there's even at least one distro just for dvb |
| 18:57.37 | jvw | robin_sz: read the manpage and the other docs with java-package |
| 18:57.38 | adaran | if my system froze, maybe due to a kernel panic, would it still respond to pings? |
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| 18:57.45 | jvw | robin_sz: numerous people before you have managed, so can you |
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| 18:58.19 | robin_sz | ahh, now I get it .. these java-package things dont acutally install java at all .. you still have to get it from sun or wherever and then this is just a script to build and install it on debian! |
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| 18:58.32 | Delph | robin_sz: yup. The whole licence issue lala thing. |
| 18:58.32 | greycat | robin_sz: bingo! |
| 18:58.35 | valdyn | adaran: you mean "if my console froze" or "if X froze". Then naturally anything else might work. |
| 18:58.40 | jvw | robin_sz: yup, that's what the package description actually says |
| 18:58.47 | greycat | !info java-package |
| 18:58.48 | quitte | valdyn i was talking about in this channel. it'S not the first time i'm asking something dvb related here. |
| 18:58.49 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.20 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 18:58.51 | adaran | valdyn, well, X froze, but i could still use the mouse (hardware cursor?) |
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| 18:59.04 | adaran | valdyn, on the other hand, i could ping it, but it wouldn't allow me to login via ssh |
| 18:59.06 | greycat | I like that (TM) part. |
| 18:59.21 | robin_sz | probably means someting to you, means little to me ... |
| 18:59.31 | marrat | I have a problem with GRUB can someone help me please ... I've no idea what to do ... got an error message |
| 18:59.38 | Maneit | Hi! Does recent debian kernel images nativly support HPT372 (just as a normal IDE-controller)? |
| 18:59.43 | greycat | you probably didn't do what dpkg said, about reading <java licensing> first. |
| 18:59.46 | pipeline | Maneit: Yes. |
| 18:59.47 | greycat | !java licensing |
| 18:59.48 | dpkg | read the faq at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html#s-license-concerns |
| 18:59.48 | valdyn | adaran: Some subystem which both X and ssh at that moment depend on "froze" |
| 18:59.55 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.59 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.00 | greycat | [...] |
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| 19:00.13 | adaran | valdyn, would the kernel notice and do something, like write an entry to a log file i don't know? |
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| 19:00.19 | adaran | valdyn, i had to cold-reset =/ |
| 19:00.24 | robin_sz | I dont use dpkg .. I use apt-get for getting stuff .. I got screwed with that before on a previous debain |
| 19:00.28 | ricky_clarkson | "aka jdk 1.2" is out of date, greycat. |
| 19:00.44 | HandyAndE | when using courier-imap I get thunderbird crashes with a debian server unser imap, but not with any other system - using sarge, any hints? |
| 19:00.44 | Maneit | pipeline: Okay, I'm currently using 2.6.0 (old server, hasn't been used for 6months), if I upgrade to a recent image, whats the chance network (uses 8139too) works on bootup? I haven't got a monitor so its kinda crusial |
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| 19:01.00 | valdyn | adaran: depends, if that error is in the relevant ide driver, then logging to disk naturally won't work |
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| 19:01.10 | infodroid | HandyAndE: what about ssl? |
| 19:01.13 | CarlosAlex | greycat, which file may I look at ? |
| 19:01.17 | adaran | valdyn, if i ran out of swapspace, the app should crash right? |
| 19:01.20 | infodroid | HandyAndE: are you using ssl? |
| 19:01.22 | adaran | valdyn, not take my whole system down |
| 19:01.26 | HandyAndE | infodroid: not set up imap-ssl |
| 19:01.29 | greycat | you may look at ANY file you can get your eyeballs on. |
| 19:01.29 | robin_sz | or am I gertting confused between dpkg and deselect |
| 19:01.33 | adaran | valdyn, the cdemu kernel module is a suspect here |
| 19:01.41 | valdyn | adaran: if you run out of memory then a seemingly random app should be killed likely |
| 19:01.51 | HandyAndE | infodroid: does it make a difference? |
| 19:01.54 | greycat | robin_sz: dselect is the horribly confusing curses interface. |
| 19:02.00 | oneheart | hi, someone told me webmin is not safe. is it true? |
| 19:02.04 | CarlosAlex | Is there any smtp server may I use to test this one ? |
| 19:02.07 | robin_sz | greycat: yeah thats the thing i dont use ;) |
| 19:02.11 | adaran | valdyn, last time i tried that some malloc (i'd assume) simply failed, and i got an "Out of memory." |
| 19:02.16 | drac | !tell oneheart about webmin |
| 19:02.16 | infodroid | HandyAndE: it might be a thunderbird issue, what about different mail clients? |
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| 19:02.46 | HandyAndE | infodroid: well, webmail works ;) |
| 19:02.47 | infodroid | HandyAndE: (is the thunderbird the debian one or a binary from mozilla?) |
| 19:03.00 | HandyAndE | infodroid: the thunderbird is from gentoo (my desktops system) |
| 19:03.14 | HandyAndE | infodroid: on many different systems / versions |
| 19:03.16 | adaran | valdyn, the program that was running as running with my local UID, not root privs - so i think, unless i hit some obscure kernel bug, it shouldn't be able to mess up the system like that or? |
| 19:03.22 | infodroid | HandyAndE: so thunderbird (gentoo) connecting to courier-imap server (debian) ? |
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| 19:03.36 | HandyAndE | infodroid: yea |
| 19:03.46 | pipeline | adaran: If you run out of swap space, the kernel will start killing processes |
| 19:03.52 | t-dub | !samba-ldap |
| 19:03.53 | HandyAndE | infodroid: thunderbird is 1.0 |
| 19:04.02 | t-dub | how do i use the infobot? |
| 19:04.09 | infodroid | HandyAndE: have you tried using any other mail clients? |
| 19:04.09 | pipeline | Maneit: Pretty good but not great. |
| 19:04.10 | asg | t-dub: /msg dpkg help |
| 19:04.12 | valdyn | adaran: not usually, but my silicon image ide driver could and would do that daily as soon as I caused load on more than one disk on that interface |
| 19:04.14 | t-dub | thanks |
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| 19:04.22 | adaran | pipeline, wouldn't it be convenient to kill the one request more space? or does it go berserk with the KILL -9 shotty in my process tree? :P |
| 19:04.22 | Maneit | pipeline: okay, guess I'll try :) |
| 19:04.30 | Maneit | pipeline: If i've got hotplug it should detect, no? |
| 19:04.31 | pipeline | Maneit: For the installer |
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| 19:04.37 | pipeline | Maneit: If you've got hotplug the chances are real damn good |
| 19:04.41 | adaran | valdyn, well, the IDE driver is part of the kernel |
| 19:04.45 | HandyAndE | infodroid: will try others, have not yet :( |
| 19:04.58 | marrat | How could I get stage-files for GRUB? |
| 19:05.00 | adaran | valdyn, wouldn't count that as a user process. i still suspect the cdemu kernel module. i'll burn the images and try again =;/ |
| 19:05.03 | Maneit | pipeline: thats what I figured |
| 19:05.04 | infodroid | HandyAndE: given that webmail works, this looks like a thunderbird/gentoo issue |
| 19:05.06 | valdyn | adaran: yes it is, doesnt mean it will crash the whole kernel if something goes wrong |
| 19:05.06 | pipeline | adaran: You know, I don't know. IRIX usually kills the thing with the largest resident size. Linux might just go crazy with the kill -9. |
| 19:05.25 | adaran | pipeline, there's only one way to find out i guess :P |
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| 19:05.37 | ArtyObs | help i can't write data dvd |
| 19:05.38 | ArtyObs | # growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdc=dvd.iso |
| 19:05.39 | ArtyObs | :-( /dev/hdc: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 0 |
| 19:05.39 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: kill IE for spawning more than one FTP connection |
| 19:05.41 | CarlosAlex | could not connect to host smtp.mail.yahoo.com.br is the message |
| 19:05.41 | HandyAndE | infodroid: OK, sorry for the time waste then - will msg you if I have more problems |
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| 19:05.51 | ArtyObs | whats wrong? |
| 19:05.53 | rjgrel | lol |
| 19:05.57 | adaran | valdyn, i once had a cd that would crash my whole system (kernel panic) through idecd |
| 19:06.09 | pipeline | adaran: Shit hardware. |
| 19:06.12 | adaran | valdyn, now i'm thinking the same might have happened without me seeing it (the panic output) |
| 19:06.36 | adaran | pipeline, don't diss =) actually it was a crappy CD, some friend without a clue used clone CD to burn me the mother of all messed up CDs =) |
| 19:06.39 | valdyn | adaran: try logging to a console and trigger that error if your logs show nothing |
| 19:06.48 | Ziral | infodroid, to report this "bug" ... I specified the base-config package ... or preseed package or d-i package or other ?! |
| 19:06.56 | adaran | valdyn, dmesg | tail -f ? |
| 19:07.09 | greycat | !tell ArtyObs about msg |
| 19:07.16 | valdyn | adaran: i thought your system froze and you couldnt log in |
| 19:07.25 | pipeline | adaran: Your CD Drive shouldn't have flipped out badly enough to crash the kernel. Then again, the ide-cd driver always sucked ass. |
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| 19:07.27 | jethro | simonrvn: I hope you realise you just told the earth that the poor "test test1 test2" has a smal penis in a commit log :) |
| 19:07.36 | adaran | valdyn, i've already rebooted =) talking about the 2nd attempt =) |
| 19:07.39 | ArtyObs | greycat: can i msg you |
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| 19:07.49 | adaran | pipeline, i agree with you there, 100% |
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| 19:08.24 | greycat | 14:07 Ignoring MSGS from ArtyObs |
| 19:08.28 | greycat | ArtyObs: you can try all day long. |
| 19:08.39 | valdyn | adaran: dmesg | tail -f isnt possible either way |
| 19:08.46 | BrianAnthony | damn... ZAxisMapping "4 5" is correct, right? |
| 19:08.48 | adaran | valdyn, so what do you recommend? |
| 19:08.58 | adaran | !tell adaran about kernel-panic |
| 19:08.58 | valdyn | adaran: that you log to a console |
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| 19:09.03 | BrianAnthony | because when I put that in, it says it can't be put in that section |
| 19:09.16 | adaran | valdyn, as in, how'd i do that? |
| 19:09.22 | pen | invoke-rc.d apache2 doesnt work |
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| 19:09.32 | zappy | BrianAnthony: it's in Section "Input", for a mouse |
| 19:09.33 | greycat | pen: /etc/init.d/apache2 <verb> |
| 19:09.36 | sjoeboo | BrianAnthony, what section are you putting it in? |
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| 19:09.45 | greycat | where <verb> is start, stop, restart, reload, etc. |
| 19:09.50 | pen | I can only get apache2 to read its config files by rebooting. |
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| 19:09.59 | ArtyObs | greycat: # growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdc=dvd.iso |
| 19:09.59 | ArtyObs | :-( /dev/hdc: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 0 |
| 19:09.59 | greycat | you know, the NORMAL sysvinit stuff that we've been using for 5 years or more. |
| 19:10.14 | sjoeboo | ha |
| 19:10.14 | greycat | beats me. I don't use ide-cd for burning. |
| 19:10.14 | ArtyObs | same message as k3b gives |
| 19:10.17 | asg | pen: then you aren't doing it properly |
| 19:10.17 | BrianAnthony | I'm putting it in my mouse section. right under Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" |
| 19:10.26 | adaran | greycat, not burning. reading =) |
| 19:10.33 | stew | ArtyObs: it seems to not like the disc you inserted |
| 19:10.35 | valdyn | adaran: edit /etc/syslog.conf, should have a console logging part commented out, just uncomment it, and restart it. Assuming you can still switch to that console naturally. |
| 19:10.46 | zappy | it's : Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 19:10.46 | Ziral | infodroid, !?! |
| 19:10.53 | stew | ArtyObs: k3b is probably just using growisofs so its no wonder they give the same error |
| 19:10.56 | adaran | valdyn, well i can just start the program, and switch to that console while i still have a chance i guess =) |
| 19:10.56 | ArtyObs | stew: do verbatim dvd+r suck? |
| 19:10.59 | BrianAnthony | zappy, I love you =) |
| 19:11.03 | stew | ArtyObs: i have no idea |
| 19:11.06 | valdyn | adaran: yep |
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| 19:11.07 | zappy | ow |
| 19:11.12 | zappy | :) |
| 19:11.18 | asg | stew: Ricky Martin Live at the Met? Yeah, I'd refuse to play it too |
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| 19:11.27 | stew | hah |
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| 19:11.40 | infodroid | greycat: what is the !dpkg on filing bug reports |
| 19:11.46 | greycat | !bts |
| 19:11.46 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:11.47 | CarlosAlex | May be a DNS problem ??? |
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| 19:12.04 | infodroid | greycat: how about pointer for writing good bug reports |
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| 19:12.13 | greycat | !smart questions |
| 19:12.13 | dpkg | [smart questions] Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
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| 19:12.40 | Ziral | infodroid, hello!? |
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| 19:13.18 | ricky_clarkson | Ziral: Even if he's there, he shouldn't respond. hello isn't a question. |
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| 19:13.41 | Royalbuds | in which package is bsetgb? |
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| 19:13.48 | BrianAnthony | yaay. I win |
| 19:14.00 | adaran | is there any harm in making /dev/console world readable? |
| 19:14.01 | sjoeboo | Royalbuds, prob blackbox, but i'm nto 100% |
| 19:14.05 | pusling | is there a fancy script to automaticly change the /etc/apt/sources.list depending on the ip? (For my laptop) |
| 19:14.19 | infodroid | Ziral: see http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 19:14.26 | Delph | pusling: hang on a mo |
| 19:14.29 | greycat | adaran: why? |
| 19:14.37 | BrianAnthony | zappy, thanks |
| 19:14.41 | adaran | greycat, so i can run xconsole -file /dev/console as a user |
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| 19:14.49 | PerfDave | Procmail question: Will this - http://channels.debian.net/paste/267 - cause mail to be delivered to my home folder if /var/spool/mail is full ? |
| 19:15.09 | pen | the /etc/init.d/apache2 restart does not work either |
| 19:15.11 | zappy | BrianAnthony: np |
| 19:15.11 | Steelhoof | What is the lightest x envirnment these days |
| 19:15.14 | PerfDave | pusling: Why would you change the sources.list depending on the IP? |
| 19:15.17 | PerfDave | Steelhoof: twm |
| 19:15.43 | greycat | twm may not be the lightest any more |
| 19:15.44 | abrotman | Steelhoof: watch it |
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| 19:15.49 | sjoeboo | pen, try reload |
| 19:15.52 | pen | kill -s HUP pid does not work either |
| 19:15.58 | SpamHog | steelhoof: ratpoison, ion |
| 19:16.14 | Steelhoof | ... seriously lean... |
| 19:16.17 | _rene_ | PerfDave: because you may have a local mirror on $home and have to use a external mirror somewhere else and don't want to run into timeouts, etc |
| 19:16.17 | pen | Should reload bring a new pid? |
| 19:16.23 | greycat | pen: it can. |
| 19:16.24 | PerfDave | pusling: laptop-net may be hackable to do what you want, or whereami |
| 19:16.24 | Delph | PerfDave: i know my bf does it so that when his laptop's at home he uses his home apt repository, and when at work you want to use the work one. |
| 19:16.28 | _rene_ | PerfDave: makes sense from time to time |
| 19:16.30 | greycat | pen: it depends on what you're reloading and how it works. |
| 19:16.33 | Delph | (apt proxy, even) |
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| 19:16.45 | resiak | Steelhoof: If you want a "normal" one which is also lean, look into the *boxes. |
| 19:16.46 | pusling | PerfDave: because differentm mirrors are the best in different places (I have partial mirror on my home-netwmork) |
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| 19:16.57 | BrianAnthony | can I send install flag options to apt-get install <package> --flag |
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| 19:17.03 | robin_sz | argh ... ok, next bit of debian-fu ... how do you find out which package provides a particular command? |
| 19:17.05 | Delph | pusling: i think he does it by having his dns change |
| 19:17.07 | robin_sz | like bunzip2 |
| 19:17.08 | greycat | BrianAnthony: no |
| 19:17.10 | resiak | BrianAnthony: Install flag?! |
| 19:17.12 | BrianAnthony | damn |
| 19:17.16 | Delph | so that at work it points resolves somewhere different. |
| 19:17.17 | BrianAnthony | I dunno what I'm tlaking about |
| 19:17.18 | pen | reload may have worked but pid didnt change |
| 19:17.19 | greycat | resiak: must be like a USE flag |
| 19:17.19 | SpamHog | steelhoof: ratpoison is so lean u barely see it - puts a few consoles onto X using the available resolution, and tha's it |
| 19:17.20 | Steelhoof | looing to run it on arm9 and minimal memory |
| 19:17.20 | resiak | robin_sz: dpkg -S filename |
| 19:17.22 | BrianAnthony | I thought they where called flags |
| 19:17.23 | valdyn | !tell robin_sz about search |
| 19:17.25 | resiak | greycat: I was hoping he'd answer that. |
| 19:17.27 | pen | I need to test |
| 19:17.32 | CarlosAlex | What to use to setup all network configuration? |
| 19:17.39 | resiak | CarlosAlex: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:17.39 | BrianAnthony | like when you install PHP you can use like --with=mysql |
| 19:17.40 | greycat | !FAQ CarlosAlex |
| 19:17.41 | dpkg | CarlosAlex: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:17.41 | BrianAnthony | or soemthing |
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| 19:17.59 | robin_sz | resiak: thanks for that |
| 19:18.01 | pen | What does restart do if it doesnt reread the config files? |
| 19:18.01 | Delph | cnames from apt-repository to something sensible at both ends. |
| 19:18.06 | resiak | CarlosAlex: man interfaces |
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| 19:18.13 | resiak | BrianAnthony: This is not Gentoo. |
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| 19:18.14 | greycat | pen: a full stop and a full start, usually. |
| 19:18.16 | Delph | no idea if it works or not. |
| 19:18.17 | seed- | heeee heeee heeeee |
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| 19:18.28 | resiak | greycat: How did we guess? :) |
| 19:18.31 | greycat | pen: or you could just *read* the damned *script* and find out. |
| 19:18.33 | jstevens | how do I move the location / change the size of the xdm username/password box? |
| 19:18.35 | BrianAnthony | but that's just with a normal file |
| 19:18.37 | pen | Let me test reload, I be back |
| 19:18.39 | BrianAnthony | not with a package |
| 19:18.45 | Steelhoof | Spamho: thanks, |
| 19:18.45 | BrianAnthony | I just wanted to know if you could do that |
| 19:18.48 | greycat | BrianAnthony: no |
| 19:18.59 | BrianAnthony | Is there a seperate package with install optios? |
| 19:19.02 | quitte | BrianAnthony: apt-cache search php mysql |
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| 19:19.06 | Steelhoof | Spamhgo: thanks, |
| 19:19.08 | BrianAnthony | I geuss you woul dhave to edit php.ini |
| 19:19.11 | robin_sz | valdyn: I know about apt-cache-search .. .I only asked because that doesnt reveal any relevant info about bunzip2 |
| 19:19.11 | resiak | BrianAnthony: If you need to recompile software, then recompile it. Look into apt-build. But you don't need to. |
| 19:19.17 | greycat | BrianAnthony: or you could just install the php/mysql package. |
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| 19:19.58 | SpamHog | Steelhof: look at ion, uses a different logic, also OK w/ keyboard only |
| 19:20.00 | valdyn | robin_sz: read the whole factoid? |
| 19:20.03 | PerfDave | God, even the bloody LiveJournal Debian community has been infested by Ubuntu users. |
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| 19:20.15 | resiak | What is their bloody problem? |
| 19:20.17 | robin_sz | actually, dpkg -S doesnt provide any info on bunzip2 either |
| 19:20.26 | SpamHog | Steelhoof: is your machine a PC or a PDA or wha on earth? |
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| 19:20.39 | greycat | resiak: shiny things. |
| 19:20.44 | valdyn | robin_sz: the the _whole_ damn factoid |
| 19:20.49 | valdyn | robin_sz: read the _whole_ damn factoid |
| 19:21.09 | resiak | greycat: Hey, I like shiny things. Debian is shiny :) |
| 19:21.15 | zappy | jstevens: /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources |
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| 19:21.57 | greycat | resiak: not shiny enough, apparently. |
| 19:22.02 | pattyand | hi there, I'm using amarok to play mp3s and now I wanna check which device I'm using /dev/dsp or /dev/XXX or whatever. How can I do that? |
| 19:22.11 | marrat | I need some help with GRUB: grub-install /dev/hda ends with an error .. I have the menu.lst file but I don't have the stage-files?! |
| 19:22.14 | greycat | pattyand: strace, lsof, man amarok, ... |
| 19:22.20 | zappy | pattyand: cat /dev/dsp ;) |
| 19:22.24 | PerfDave | greycat: If they were that hooked on inferior yet shiny things, why don't they fuck off and buy Macs? |
| 19:22.26 | valdyn | pattyand: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 19:22.30 | BrianAnthony | goddamn ecommerce =P I ordered flowers for my girlfriend yesterday and paid extra for "same day delivery" but they didn't send them |
| 19:22.33 | resiak | PerfDave: FRE. |
| 19:22.36 | jstevens | zappy: Chooser*geometry ?? |
| 19:22.39 | greycat | PerfDave: because they're also cheap bastards. |
| 19:22.52 | zappy | jstevens: dunno. think so. just try ;) |
| 19:22.54 | jstevens | zappy: or is it some other setting? |
| 19:22.55 | BrianAnthony | Now I'm calling their support number and I've been onhold for 25 minutes |
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| 19:22.58 | Steelhoof | SpamHog: new class |
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| 19:22.59 | resiak | PerfDave: I lost an E. See how I was hamstrung by this open source mallarkey? |
| 19:23.01 | jstevens | zappy: LOL, that's what I'm doing |
| 19:23.05 | stew | BrianAnthony: i've had that happen in the past, if you complain enough they will owe you 2 future deliveries |
| 19:23.05 | jstevens | zappy: thanks |
| 19:23.06 | pen | Best method is stop |
| 19:23.08 | BrianAnthony | I want my $50 back |
| 19:23.12 | Steelhoof | patpoision is too lean |
| 19:23.13 | zappy | jstevens: np |
| 19:23.15 | pen | and then start |
| 19:23.17 | pen | that worked |
| 19:23.19 | valdyn | pattyand: or the other way around "cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp" |
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| 19:23.24 | drasko | hi |
| 19:23.30 | resiak | Steelhoof: So look at the others I suggested |
| 19:23.31 | quitte | BrianAnthony: you chose the worst day for sending flowers the same day - like thousands of others did. |
| 19:23.32 | zappy | jstevens: tell me it it works |
| 19:23.41 | Steelhoof | we will need to incorporate graphics and mouse going forward |
| 19:23.42 | zappy | jstevens: so next time i'll be sure :) |
| 19:23.44 | pen | Good idea to read the script. Thanks |
| 19:23.47 | BrianAnthony | quitte: but it said same day delivery and I thought it'd be a good idea |
| 19:23.58 | Steelhoof | resiak: looking |
| 19:23.58 | PerfDave | resiak: I bet Ubuntu gives you two Es. |
| 19:24.00 | quitte | BrianAnthony: not yesterday :) |
| 19:24.02 | drasko | I have a question about samba... I can not erite on the shared windows partition on other computer... |
| 19:24.13 | BrianAnthony | quitte: =P |
| 19:24.23 | pen | On which computer? |
| 19:24.24 | zappy | drasko: ntfs one ? |
| 19:24.27 | jstevens | zappy: :-) |
| 19:24.36 | pen | drasko: MOre details please |
| 19:24.38 | drasko | zappy, yes |
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| 19:24.42 | Steelhoof | I failed my foist typing class in 1973 |
| 19:24.52 | dvs | first? |
| 19:24.58 | Steelhoof | nod |
| 19:25.01 | Steelhoof | foist |
| 19:25.10 | zappy | dvs: hey, he said he failed the typing class ;) |
| 19:25.14 | dvs | Steelhoof: Are you from Boston? ;-) |
| 19:25.25 | dvs | zappy: touche |
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| 19:25.39 | drasko | pen, I can access partition, browse files, but I can not copu files from my windows partition to my brothers windows... |
| 19:25.46 | irb | ubuntu cds are almost as prevelent as aol cds |
| 19:25.50 | dings | I can't seem to be able to include qwt, is there more to be done than simply 'apt-get install libqwt-dev' to make it work? |
| 19:25.57 | robin_sz | valdyn: I have, ive tried the various serches on apt-cache and dpkg - S apt-file and am still no nearer being able to find or install bunzip2 .. |
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| 19:26.15 | pen | YOu have windows machine and debian machine. WHich cant yoiu write to? |
| 19:26.34 | thnee | ./.libs/libverlihub.so: undefined reference to `pcre_compile' and also 'pcre_exec' what does this mean? (compiling verlihub) |
| 19:26.37 | CarlosAlex | greycat, nothing there could help |
| 19:26.38 | quitte | robin_sz: install bzip2 and use bzip2 -d |
| 19:26.39 | valdyn | !find bunzip2 sarge |
| 19:26.53 | greycat | I'd worry more about the "Hummer-driving" part than the "ferign-burn" part. |
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| 19:27.08 | drasko | pen, My debian machine have a windows also... I can n ot copy wrom that partition to other computer with windows... |
| 19:27.10 | robin_sz | quitte: ahh bzip2 .. ok thanks |
| 19:27.19 | valdyn | robin_sz: im not sure how all methods can fail for you while they work for me.. |
| 19:27.22 | coachz | Can anyone recommend a good to do list / task manager app? |
| 19:27.32 | pen | You cant write to the windows machine? That is windows issue |
| 19:27.49 | pen | Turn off read only probably |
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| 19:27.49 | robin_sz | valdyn: perhaps im on a different version of debian ?? |
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| 19:27.54 | zappy | coachz: vi (just kidding ;) |
| 19:28.05 | valdyn | robin_sz: its in all |
| 19:28.16 | zappy | lol |
| 19:28.27 | robin_sz | valdyn: then it must be a bug in apt-get I guess |
| 19:28.36 | asg | coachz: try 'pal' |
| 19:28.38 | greycat | robin_sz: apparently you failed to try the packages.debian.org one. or the /msg dpkg find one. |
| 19:28.45 | jstevens | zappy: can't get it to change... |
| 19:28.46 | greycat | robin_sz: dpkg -S only shows you files you ALREADY HAVE. |
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| 19:28.56 | paulswm | robin_sz: apt-file search bunzip2 shows it's in the bzip2 package, btw |
| 19:29.04 | coachz | what is pal |
| 19:29.05 | robin_sz | greycat: OK, right ta. |
| 19:29.11 | asg | !info pal sid |
| 19:29.16 | zappy | jstevens: ow... |
| 19:29.16 | dpkg | pal: (Command-line calendar program that can keep track of events), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.3.5-1pre1 (sid), Packaged size: 100 kB, Installed size: 388 kB |
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| 19:29.33 | robin_sz | paulswm: not on my sarge isntall it doesnt |
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| 19:29.46 | greycat | only if you INSTALL apt-fle. |
| 19:29.48 | greycat | only if you INSTALL apt-file. |
| 19:29.53 | paulswm | robin_sz: well that's where it is in sarge |
| 19:30.07 | resiak | !tell Steelhoof about msg |
| 19:30.18 | resiak | Steelhoof: But I should have been more specific. Fluxbox, Blackbox, Openbox |
| 19:30.29 | greycat | ditto for "bzip2 -dc" |
| 19:30.38 | robin_sz | paulswm: well apt-file search bunzip2 return nothing here ... |
| 19:30.43 | BrianAnthony | 30 minutes on hold and they tell me that they're hanging up |
| 19:30.51 | FieldySnuts | @lose BrianAnthony |
| 19:30.54 | paulswm | robin_sz: did you do apt-file update first |
| 19:30.54 | ravenbird | BrianAnthony: You Lose. |
| 19:31.07 | resiak | paulswm: Do you even need to ask? |
| 19:31.08 | BrianAnthony | lol |
| 19:31.16 | robin_sz | paulswm: nope |
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| 19:31.25 | resiak | robin_sz: man apt-file |
| 19:31.41 | drasko | pen, mine oh mine... Hard to belive but really although shared, the partition on the other computer was really not alowed to modify... Such a stupid annoyance...Thanks a million, I already cast out that obvious misstake.. |
| 19:31.46 | zappy | jstevens: "xlogin" is the element to change |
| 19:32.00 | paulswm | robin_sz: well there you are then |
| 19:32.05 | pen | I dont see bunzip2 with apt-cache search |
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| 19:32.11 | paulswm | resiak: :( |
| 19:32.13 | asg | pen: it's in the bzip2 package |
| 19:32.16 | zappy | jstevens: color, fonts |
| 19:32.22 | resiak | pen: apt-file update perhaps?> |
| 19:32.25 | robin_sz | pen: me neither .. apparently apt-file finds it though |
| 19:32.27 | valdyn | pen: now guess why |
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| 19:32.32 | resiak | robin_sz: apt-file update |
| 19:32.32 | sjoeboo | greycat: i'm a bigger fan of jsut passing tar either -z of -j |
| 19:32.36 | resiak | robin_sz, pen: As root |
| 19:32.37 | robin_sz | pen: or will do in a minute when its updated ;) |
| 19:32.46 | quentusrex | I have an audio issue |
| 19:32.47 | resiak | sjoeboo: That doesn't work on Slowlaris, for example. |
| 19:32.58 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite quentusrex |
| 19:32.59 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart solaris |
| 19:33.02 | sjoeboo | greycat: ah, see this i did not know |
| 19:33.10 | quentusrex | Only one program can access audio at a time. |
| 19:33.11 | pen | I dont even have apt-file |
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| 19:33.22 | pen | Should I have apt-file? |
| 19:33.25 | resiak | pen: Well then install it, FFS. |
| 19:33.27 | paulswm | !beat paulswm for using gzcat on SunOS |
| 19:33.31 | pipeline | paulswm: gzip builds on SunOS? |
| 19:33.39 | pen | Do I need it? |
| 19:33.41 | FieldySnuts | quentusrex: that's the way it works unless you use a sound daemon, and those are irritating and eat up cpu |
| 19:33.43 | greycat | sjoeboo: "tar xzvf" only works with GNU tar. I use a lot of Unix boxes where tar(1) has no -z flag. |
| 19:33.44 | paulswm | pipeline: of course |
| 19:33.44 | resiak | pen: No. |
| 19:33.51 | pipeline | paulswm: Do you need GCC, or does the regular cc work? |
| 19:33.52 | CarlosAlex | when I used route |
| 19:34.01 | pen | I want to dump some crap |
| 19:34.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bunzip2' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/bunzip2) in utils/bzip2. |
| 19:34.03 | resiak | quentusrex: You could also use ALSA. |
| 19:34.03 | pipeline | paulswm: Of course? It's a dead OS, I don't expect anything to work :P |
| 19:34.04 | quentusrex | FieldySnuts, I need to be able to have more than one program write to sound. |
| 19:34.04 | CarlosAlex | Kernel IP routing table |
| 19:34.10 | CarlosAlex | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 19:34.12 | paulswm | pipeline: I don't know, I didn't build it. |
| 19:34.17 | CarlosAlex | localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 19:34.17 | CarlosAlex | default 192.168.80.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 19:34.20 | paulswm | pipeline: It is a very much alive OS |
| 19:34.24 | quentusrex | I need to be able to listen to music and listen for audio alerts |
| 19:34.27 | greycat | SunOS is dead. Solaris is alive. |
| 19:34.29 | pipeline | paulswm: They cut support in 1994. I'd call that pretty dead. |
| 19:34.33 | FieldySnuts | quentusrex: use a sound daemon then, there's esd, there's artsd, probably others |
| 19:34.37 | robin_sz | bah, even apt-file update fails ... with a 404 from security.debian.org |
| 19:34.42 | paulswm | pipeline: Untrue |
| 19:34.43 | CarlosAlex | is it localnet correct ?? |
| 19:34.48 | FieldySnuts | quentusrex: of course, all the apps have to support said sound daemon, good luck |
| 19:34.48 | greycat | robin_sz: there IS NO security.debian.org for sarge yet. |
| 19:34.57 | resiak | quentusrex: Use ALSA |
| 19:35.08 | resiak | quentusrex: Are you (a) on Sarge, (b) using a 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:35.08 | quentusrex | resiak, where do I go for config info for ALSA? |
| 19:35.12 | dvs | CarlosAlex: It depends what your /etc/networks file says |
| 19:35.36 | quentusrex | I am on SID and using kernel 2.6.7.1-386 |
| 19:35.40 | zappy | jstevens: maybe try xlogin*geometry |
| 19:35.42 | robin_sz | greycat: ah yes .. its testing still |
| 19:35.47 | CarlosAlex | hummm.... its about my network |
| 19:35.48 | dvs | quentusrex: no such kernel |
| 19:36.02 | quentusrex | dvs, I'm using it right now |
| 19:36.08 | dvs | quentusrex: uname -r |
| 19:36.18 | quentusrex | uname -r: 2.6.7-1-386 |
| 19:36.18 | distempr | Where can I see progress (open bugs pending release) for sarge? |
| 19:36.20 | pipeline | paulswm: It appears you're correct, and they continued to sell 4.1.4, mostly unsupported, until 1998. That freaks me out. |
| 19:36.20 | resiak | quentusrex: apt-get install alsa alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss |
| 19:36.27 | zappy | jstevens: http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/5151 |
| 19:36.29 | resiak | distempr: bugs.debian.org, perhaps? |
| 19:36.39 | dvs | quentusrex: Ok. THAT makes sense. 2.6.7.1 does not |
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| 19:36.47 | robin_sz | greycat: so now apt-file has told me where bunzip2 would be if only I had it . hwo exactly does that help me find the package that provides it? |
| 19:36.53 | distempr | resiak: yeh, I know, but I remember seeing a document with "Sarge Status" etc. |
| 19:36.57 | quentusrex | ok, oops. |
| 19:37.01 | greycat | robin_sz: it should tell you "it's in the bzip2 package" |
| 19:37.05 | greycat | robin_sz: so then you install bzip2. |
| 19:37.18 | robin_sz | well, it doesnt tell me that |
| 19:37.22 | robin_sz | oh |
| 19:37.23 | robin_sz | I see |
| 19:37.28 | quentusrex | Package alsa is a virtual package provided by: |
| 19:37.28 | quentusrex | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.28 | quentusrex | You should explicitly select one to install. |
| 19:37.28 | robin_sz | at the beginng of the lien |
| 19:37.34 | robin_sz | line |
| 19:37.41 | robin_sz | right |
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| 19:37.43 | quentusrex | apt-get install alsa alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss |
| 19:37.49 | pipeline | quentusrex: You just want alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 19:37.49 | robin_sz | now I understand a bit more, k thanks. |
| 19:37.57 | pipeline | quentusrex: The other two options only apply to 2.4 kernels. |
| 19:38.07 | quentusrex | pipeline, thanks |
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| 19:38.20 | alfatau | hi i've an hard drive which seems damaged (hdb: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=4146, sector=4146 |
| 19:38.20 | alfatau | end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 4146 |
| 19:38.20 | alfatau | ). do u a tool to try to recover it? |
| 19:38.32 | resiak | pipeline: He does want alsa-oss |
| 19:38.33 | robin_sz | now ... one final thing ... whats the debian command to fix the cam-belt on my car? |
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| 19:38.59 | dvs | robin_sz: apt-get install dump-ford ;-) |
| 19:39.01 | pipeline | resiak: Why? |
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| 19:39.14 | asg | robin_sz: you use an apt-wrench |
| 19:39.17 | nagytalop | re |
| 19:39.27 | resiak | pipeline: Because it's handy for apps that don't speak ALSA. |
| 19:39.32 | pipeline | resiak: Alsa provides that natively |
| 19:39.43 | paulswm | pipeline: SunOS is still supported and is current, Solaris and SunOS are used interchangeably |
| 19:39.45 | pipeline | resiak: You only need the userspace libraries if you're doing crazy things with ALSA plugins and stuff |
| 19:39.51 | pipeline | paulswm: That's marketroid talk. |
| 19:39.57 | resiak | pipeline: aoss is very hand. |
| 19:39.59 | paulswm | pipeline: SunOS wdws120 5.8 Generic_108528-29 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire |
| 19:40.03 | resiak | pipeline: aoss is very handy. |
| 19:40.07 | robin_sz | asg: I fear its going to need apt-get install piston-welder, as the valves and the pistons have err "got intimate" :( ... bloody valentines day! |
| 19:40.15 | paulswm | So there. |
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| 19:40.21 | pipeline | paulswm: Nobody liked those terms in 1993, they're still bullshit. SunOS 5.x has nothing at all in common with SunOS 2, 3, and 4. |
| 19:40.28 | asg | robin_sz: could be, could be |
| 19:40.30 | quentusrex | how should I config alsa? |
| 19:40.36 | resiak | quentusrex: Uh, alsaconf? |
| 19:40.43 | distempr | alfatau: you need to make sure you're using the correct driver for your ide controller, also check with hdparm that you are using 32-bit as well as dma. Multicount should be at 16+ |
| 19:40.45 | quentusrex | thanks |
| 19:40.53 | quentusrex | I tried a different spelling of that command |
| 19:40.54 | paulswm | pipeline: Well that is a graceless way of admitting your error, I must say :) |
| 19:40.55 | pipeline | paulswm: I expect they only kept the "SunOS" in the uname for compatibility with configure scripts. |
| 19:41.05 | nvz | phew, its hot out there.. that texico sun will dry your ass out right quick, boy I'll tell you whut |
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| 19:41.22 | pipeline | paulswm: I still don't consider it an error; when you refer to "SunOS" in everyday speech, you're rarely talking about Solaris. |
| 19:41.30 | asg | nvz: that's why you buy a Big Gulp at the 7-eleven |
| 19:41.31 | nagytalop | can i run X on a p1-233 with 24 mega ram and S3Trio64V+? :) |
| 19:41.49 | asg | nagytalop: yes though you will probably only be able to use X version 3 |
| 19:41.57 | distempr | nagytalop: yep, admittedly slow but yep. |
| 19:41.57 | pipeline | paulswm: It's technically incorrect, but it's silly to say "SunOS" when you really mean "Solaris," which is an entirely different animal. |
| 19:42.06 | nagytalop | ok |
| 19:42.10 | nagytalop | thanxalot |
| 19:42.11 | pipeline | paulswm: Unless you actually say "Solaris one point ecks" aloud :) |
| 19:42.16 | distempr | pipeline: this is #debian. |
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| 19:42.34 | nvz | asg: I was actually leaving without a drink.. then I realized I forgot my wallet and came back and got a can of soda, but I walked the whole way back without a drink and I was about exausted.. up north I could walk 10miles like its nothing.. down here walking a mile or two is murder |
| 19:42.52 | asg | nvz: that's why I don't live in Texas |
| 19:42.58 | alfatau | distempr: i think yes... i'm verifying, but some time ago i never got similar error messages, so i though it was damaged |
| 19:42.59 | quentusrex | ok, I configured alsa. |
| 19:43.18 | pipeline | distempr: http://www.softagency.co.jp/products/mysql/sundpkg.html |
| 19:43.20 | dvs | asg: Try Florida in the summer |
| 19:43.20 | quentusrex | I just tested to see if it worked and only one sound can be heard at a time |
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| 19:43.28 | asg | dvs: I have, I don't like that either |
| 19:43.33 | greycat | dvs: you'd have to pay me. |
| 19:43.35 | greycat | a lot. |
| 19:43.37 | distempr | alfatau: it's good to check, I've gracefully saved quite a few drives because of incorrect settings via the kernel. |
| 19:43.38 | dvs | asg: I won't do that again. |
| 19:43.57 | nvz | hell thats why most people live here is because of the warm climate all year round.. |
| 19:44.00 | asg | dvs: I was on holiday for a week down there but I spent most of it in a pub where it was cool |
| 19:44.12 | asg | nvz: strange usage of the word 'warm' |
| 19:44.16 | dvs | asg: Hey! Sounds good to me! :-) |
| 19:44.20 | distempr | pipeline: sexy, though I still wouldn't consider dpkg "debian" ;) |
| 19:44.37 | paulswm | pipeline: Call Sun silly, not me |
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| 19:44.38 | asg | dvs: only way to do it I say. Then again, no matter where I go on vacation, I spend most of it in a pub. |
| 19:44.50 | dvs | asg: Heh |
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| 19:44.59 | distempr | paulswm: you're thilly ;) |
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| 19:46.54 | alfatau | distempr: hdparm -c /dev/hdb --> 0 (16bit). so i set it to c1 (32bit), but i'm still getting errors |
| 19:47.14 | alfatau | distempr: how to correct the kernel settings? |
| 19:47.28 | distempr | alfatau: did you check what driver is being used? (via dmesg)? |
| 19:47.45 | schneiderj | Ihave just installed a debian on my computer, but my vdeo card is not recognise... it seem that my version of xfree86 is too old. How to I change it to the last one ? |
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| 19:47.47 | distempr | hdparm /dev/hda -c1 -m16 -d1 /dev/hdb |
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| 19:48.09 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 19:48.12 | distempr | schneiderj: are you running woody? |
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| 19:48.20 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 19:48.20 | schneiderj | Yes I am |
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| 19:48.27 | distempr | schneiderj: what card? |
| 19:48.38 | quitte | hmm. i found out why it doesn't work. the good old debian kernel comes without firmware problem :( |
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| 19:48.42 | alfatau | distempr: no, howto? |
| 19:48.45 | schneiderj | it is a readon 9600 from ATI |
| 19:49.07 | asg | schneiderj: what version of debian did you install? |
| 19:49.09 | schneiderj | Ho I would say radeon |
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| 19:49.20 | witless | trying to set up apache2 ssl on sarge. should i break up my config info between /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf and /etc/apache2/sites-available/my-ssl-vhost ... ? |
| 19:49.28 | BrianAnthony | schneiderj: like it's spelt |
| 19:49.33 | paulswm | distempr: No, Thun ith thilly :D |
| 19:49.36 | schneiderj | the last one I think : 30r4 |
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| 19:50.00 | CarlosAlex | This is a shit |
| 19:50.07 | CarlosAlex | I cant use my printer |
| 19:50.08 | asg | schneiderj: you'll need to upgrade that to sarge (the testing release) to support that then. |
| 19:50.10 | quentusrex | rebooting... brb |
| 19:50.14 | BrianAnthony | schneiderj: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 19:50.14 | CarlosAlex | neither emails readers |
| 19:50.17 | alfatau | distempr: the machine is uptime since long time, so dmesg output starts too late to check the ide driver |
| 19:50.17 | dan2 | asg: I'm looking for a cad program, know of one? |
| 19:50.23 | distempr | alfatau: not really, I'd check my chipset first, via lspci, then scour dmesg for the ide load sequence, generally using the generic ide driver is "bad". Though if you've used hdparm, i'd quickly copy my stuff elsewhere. |
| 19:50.29 | asg | dan2: no, I've never used one myself. |
| 19:50.33 | nvz | oh dear.. these breakfast toasters at sonic are so damn good, but I get sick to my stomach every time I eat one.. |
| 19:50.42 | asg | nvz: binge and purge |
| 19:50.44 | nvz | I must eat em too fast or something |
| 19:50.47 | jstevens | zappy: yep xlogin*geometry is what I needed... no I just get to play w/ the 4 numbers to achive the position I will decide upon |
| 19:50.47 | distempr | CarlosAlex: That's funny, that's what I say after "dropping the kids off at the pool" |
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| 19:50.49 | quitte | dan2 qcad is nice |
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| 19:51.09 | jstevens | zappy: if only I could get rid of typos... I'd type much faster |
| 19:51.14 | distempr | paulswm: heh, thun's ath ith gunne be thore thoon. |
| 19:51.26 | distempr | alfatau: i see. |
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| 19:51.39 | distempr | schneiderj: you'll need to get the fglrx drivers |
| 19:51.44 | BrianAnthony | !dpkg fglrx-driver |
| 19:51.45 | nvz | !yinzersmite distempr |
| 19:51.47 | BrianAnthony | oops |
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| 19:52.07 | distempr | schneiderj: if you want any performance, I'd also recommend upgrading to sarge at least. |
| 19:52.15 | distempr | nvz: :o |
| 19:52.38 | BrianAnthony | schneiderj: what version are you using? |
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| 19:53.00 | jnorell | anyone using 802.1q vlans on a 2.6 kernel? works on 2.4.27, but on 2.6.8 I get kernel errors and panics |
| 19:53.02 | CarlosAlex | snif |
| 19:53.13 | CarlosAlex | I really would love to use debian. |
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| 19:53.18 | CarlosAlex | But, it so difficult |
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| 19:53.52 | bobesponja | I just got a kernel panic that made me reboot, in what log do i need to look for it? |
| 19:54.02 | schneiderj | Just a question from a newby : how I do to know the version which is running ? ... |
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| 19:54.11 | asg | schneiderj: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:54.14 | quitte | schneiderj: uname -r |
| 19:54.20 | jnorell | bobesponja, good chane it's not logged, if your machine panic'd |
| 19:54.20 | asg | schneiderj: also check the version of libc6 |
| 19:54.35 | nvz | that mofo wasnt here long enough to have my nick in his quit message.. that seems strange |
| 19:55.02 | schneiderj | it is the 2.2.20-idepci |
| 19:55.09 | asg | !idepci |
| 19:55.09 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes greycat cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 19:55.13 | nvz | nvz isnt one of those things you type accidentally |
| 19:55.15 | greycat | heh |
| 19:55.18 | CarlosAlex | maybe its time to format the debian, and reinstall it |
| 19:55.20 | asg | greycat: had to add that |
| 19:55.53 | bobesponja | jnorell: the weirdest thing happens, my brother get the net from my debian sid box 2.6.10 and everytime he starts kazaa on his win XP box I get a kernel panic, I can reproduce the crash easily |
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| 19:56.24 | CarlosAlex | and try to use DEBIAN again |
| 19:56.30 | CarlosAlex | at least once |
| 19:56.35 | nvz | CarlosAlex: Reinstalling isnt going to configure email and printing for you |
| 19:56.38 | jnorell | bobesponja, you can setup console messages to go to your serial port and capture them on another machine, or just manually copy them down |
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| 19:57.04 | schneiderj | OK, I have do an installation for nothing if I understand well ? |
| 19:57.15 | CarlosAlex | maybe something was done messy |
| 19:57.22 | asg | schneiderj: no, you can upgrade to sarge inplace (/msg dpkg woody->sarge) |
| 19:57.25 | nvz | CarlosAlex: or not at all for that matter |
| 19:57.52 | nvz | CarlosAlex: maybe you should be less vague about your problems, and try tackling them one at a time |
| 19:58.01 | bobesponja | jnorell: how can I setup console message to go to my putty session on my winxp box for example? |
| 19:58.03 | CarlosAlex | So, nvz I have used another distributions |
| 19:58.16 | CarlosAlex | never had printer problem, or mail reader problems |
| 19:58.21 | CarlosAlex | Just here using debian. |
| 19:58.38 | infodroid | CarlosAlex: read this before you install http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 19:58.50 | CarlosAlex | Until using slackware, the things work well. Having some help easy I got to setup |
| 19:59.02 | BrianAnthony | is there any humanly way of getting Java |
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| 19:59.08 | asg | BrianAnthony: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:59.09 | greycat | BrianAnthony: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:59.13 | jnorell | bobesponja, sure, you would ask... :) just a second |
| 19:59.13 | greycat | !win asg |
| 19:59.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:59.18 | asg | by a nose |
| 19:59.21 | quitte | CarlosAlex stop whining. describe your problems one at a time and ask *questions* |
| 19:59.25 | simonrvn | what? |
| 19:59.31 | witless | to set up apache2 ssl, what goes in mods-available/ssl.conf , and what goes in sites-available/my-ssl-site ? |
| 19:59.32 | simonrvn | someone pinged me |
| 19:59.43 | bobesponja | jnorell: i can wait :) |
| 19:59.46 | simonrvn | witless: you read the docs |
| 19:59.48 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: The correct response is "pong", I believe. |
| 19:59.52 | CarlosAlex | My kmail software do not get or send emails using pop/smtp |
| 19:59.52 | simonrvn | asg: hiya |
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| 20:00.01 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: plonk |
| 20:00.11 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn never could follow instructions.. |
| 20:00.16 | witless | simonrvn: yeah, not too clear what goes in which. i understand the idea of trying to make debian apache2 modular but con't find specifics about what goes where |
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| 20:00.19 | CarlosAlex | Its look be network problem |
| 20:00.27 | CarlosAlex | but Im in websites |
| 20:00.29 | nvz | CarlosAlex: did you enter your information.. i.e. username/password and server URLs |
| 20:00.33 | dan2 | asg: enjoy the beer |
| 20:00.35 | CarlosAlex | Yes |
| 20:00.54 | ricky_clarkson | CarlosAlex: telnet yoursmtpserver smtp |
| 20:00.54 | [F]LuiD | How would you compile Makefile.PL? |
| 20:01.03 | greycat | "perl Makefile.PL" |
| 20:01.08 | nvz | CarlosAlex: are you sure the information is correct? do you have any specific errors? have you tried another mail program like the Ximian Evolution Groupware Suite? |
| 20:01.15 | greycat | just like the god damned README says. in *every* *single* *perl* *module*. |
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| 20:01.34 | quitte | CarlosAlex: did you install some sort of firewall? how are you connected to the web? |
| 20:01.36 | simonrvn | don't bug me, i'm converting iplanet schemas to openldap |
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| 20:02.15 | CarlosAlex | Im connected behind a DSL connection |
| 20:02.15 | jnorell | bobesponja, I think you just add a "console=" line to your boot loader |
| 20:02.18 | [F]LuiD | There isnt a README |
| 20:02.24 | CarlosAlex | The gateway is setup |
| 20:02.25 | jnorell | bobesponja, eg. in lilo.conf append="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,9600n8" |
| 20:02.26 | [F]LuiD | But thanks I guess |
| 20:02.32 | CarlosAlex | telnet smtp.mail.yahoo.com.br |
| 20:02.32 | CarlosAlex | Trying 216.136.173.122... |
| 20:02.36 | CarlosAlex | nothing happens |
| 20:02.43 | quitte | CarlosAlex: the dsl modem is directly connected to your box. no router or something? |
| 20:02.59 | nvz | CarlosAlex: so surf into the DSL gateway and make sure you are allowing those mail ports to be forwarded |
| 20:03.03 | jnorell | bobesponja, that will capture messages .. you also have to enable a getty on ttyS0 if you want to be able to login on it (see /etc/inittab) |
| 20:03.06 | greycat | how the hell does someone get a source tree with a "Makefile.PL" in it and no instructions? |
| 20:03.12 | CarlosAlex | the dsl modem is connect to router (Linux box) |
| 20:03.28 | nvz | quitte: most dsl modems are dsl gateways now.. |
| 20:03.34 | [F]LuiD | Beats the hell out of me. But there isnt one |
| 20:03.36 | stew | CarlosAlex: you meant telnet smtp.mail.yahoo.com.br 25, right? |
| 20:03.36 | bobesponja | jnorell: ok thx I'll have a look at it |
| 20:03.39 | witless | to set up apache2 ssl, what goes in mods-available/ssl.conf , and what goes in sites-available/my-ssl-site ? i understand the idea of trying to make debian apache2 modular but con't find specifics about what goes where |
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| 20:03.40 | BrianAnthony | I'm trying to install limewire and I keep getting dependancy issues with j2rel.4 and java-runtime |
| 20:03.43 | CarlosAlex | yes |
| 20:03.48 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Sometimes part of the build stuff makes its way into /usr/share/doc/package |
| 20:03.51 | BrianAnthony | I don't have those packages |
| 20:03.53 | greycat | Typical. |
| 20:03.56 | BrianAnthony | and I can't find them on google |
| 20:03.57 | nvz | heh |
| 20:03.59 | jnorell | anyone know of vlan problems in 2.6.8 kernel package? causing panics for me |
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| 20:04.16 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 20:04.16 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 20:04.17 | stew | ricky_clarkson: are their packages that install Makefile.PLs? |
| 20:04.22 | [F]LuiD | heh |
| 20:04.22 | stew | s/their/there/ |
| 20:04.24 | ricky_clarkson | stew: No clue. |
| 20:04.30 | jnorell | ie. using native eth0 works fine, using 802.1q vlans on eth0 causes panics/errors |
| 20:04.50 | quitte | nvz no more pppoe? |
| 20:04.56 | ricky_clarkson | Anyone got a simple and fast solution to chapped lips? |
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| 20:05.00 | CarlosAlex | The telnet do not get connect stew |
| 20:05.16 | ugexe | how to make make sudo not require a password for certain users |
| 20:05.26 | ricky_clarkson | CarlosAlex: maybe the server is down or you have the wrong name or IP for it, or maybe it's firewalled off. |
| 20:05.28 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Water/licking. |
| 20:05.36 | stew | CarlosAlex: ok, its just that in the example you pasted above, you had left off the port number, and certainly yahoo wouldn't have telnet ports open |
| 20:05.39 | greycat | ugexe: /msg dpkg sudo |
| 20:05.57 | nvz | quitte: na, I jsut setup a CenturyTel DSL, the modems are now considerably smaller, even than most cable modems, and have a gateway built in, you can surf into them with a web browser and setup port forwarding, and do the ppp setup from the web interface |
| 20:06.04 | nvz | quitte: no longer a need to install any software |
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| 20:06.28 | quitte | i tried to telnet that host CarlosAlex told on port smtp. it worked |
| 20:06.42 | HanClinto | Random question for anyone/everyone: New laptop, AMD Athlon 64 or P4 w/ HT? Mainly development, not much gaming, looking for it to last a while. |
| 20:06.50 | nvz | quitte: they still use it, but now you surf in to the gateway and give it your username/password and click on a connect button in there. |
| 20:06.55 | greycat | HanClinto: AMD64. |
| 20:06.57 | greycat | no contest. |
| 20:07.02 | Phated | AMD. |
| 20:07.07 | HanClinto | Greycat: Oh? Why's that? |
| 20:07.08 | quitte | nvz here (germany) modems are still common. or you get a router with wireless connection |
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| 20:07.21 | greycat | amd64 > P4 in every conceivable way. |
| 20:07.21 | superSSS | Would debian work on Amiga 500 any idea? |
| 20:07.23 | HanClinto | P4 w/ HT is about 2x the price |
| 20:07.27 | ricky_clarkson | superSSS: hee hee. |
| 20:07.36 | CarlosAlex | quitte, Hummm..... |
| 20:07.37 | quitte | nvz i dont like having nat in a box i dont know the os. |
| 20:07.43 | CarlosAlex | Then ?!? What should I do ?? |
| 20:07.46 | HanClinto | I'm just not sure how much 64 bit processing is going to get me -- I'm not sure where the advantage will lie. |
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| 20:07.56 | ricky_clarkson | superSSS: There are smaller distributions of Linux that are aimed at such boxes. |
| 20:07.59 | HanClinto | But I guess I just don't know much about the advantages of 64 bit in general. |
| 20:08.01 | quitte | CarlosAlex: did you install some sort of firewall? |
| 20:08.03 | quittt | is there an app for windows that can extract .tar.bz2? |
| 20:08.07 | CarlosAlex | no |
| 20:08.13 | valdyn | superSSS: you would need an expansion card ( or whatever these things are called on amiga ) |
| 20:08.17 | greycat | quittt: how would we know? did you ask Google? |
| 20:08.21 | ricky_clarkson | quittt: winzip? |
| 20:08.22 | Phated | quittt: WinRAR. |
| 20:08.22 | quitte | CarlosAlex: iptables -L doesn'T show anything |
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| 20:08.25 | nvz | quitte: yeah well its news to me.. I just set one up last week. Its nice because you dont need special pppoe software, its all on the modem/gateway, and if you plug in a hub its already running an internal DHCP server |
| 20:08.28 | chealer | Tom's hardware said AMD slashed prices up to 35% yesterday! http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050214_103218.html |
| 20:08.38 | greycat | !AMD++ |
| 20:08.39 | superSSS | valdyn: so it would not work well? |
| 20:08.41 | CarlosAlex | No rules there |
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| 20:08.56 | valdyn | superSSS: on a bare aminga500, it wouldnt work at all |
| 20:09.04 | chealer | quittt: 7-Zip? |
| 20:09.08 | superSSS | valdyn: IS there a website with comparison chart about amiga compatibility |
| 20:09.13 | quittt | chealer, 7-ZIP?? |
| 20:09.21 | resiak | !fgi superSSS amiga+linux |
| 20:09.22 | dpkg | superSSS: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=amiga+linux |
| 20:09.22 | quittt | !7-vip |
| 20:09.30 | HanClinto | Unfortunately, Toshiba doesn't make an AMD64. My choices for AMD are HP/Compaq (same hardware, just branding and $100 difference), Acer and eMachines |
| 20:09.42 | CarlosAlex | which is the IP of smtp that you got to connect quitte |
| 20:09.45 | chealer | quittt : as in http://7-zip.org/ |
| 20:10.03 | valdyn | superSSS: i have no idea, except that i know that 512kb ram and a motorola 68000 cpu at 7.14 mhz wont run debian =p |
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| 20:10.07 | quitte | nvz ever heard of the fritz box fon? i was aked to set one up together with a router that is running linux. he wants the router to take care of the connection but still use the sip features of the fritzbox. i told him to forget it |
| 20:10.35 | quitte | CarlosAlex: 216.136.173.122 |
| 20:10.46 | valdyn | superSSS: at the very least you want an 68020 i suppose |
| 20:11.05 | nvz | quitte: nope sounds like a nabisco snack or something to me |
| 20:11.13 | superSSS | valdyn: thanks for info |
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| 20:11.19 | quitte | nvz nabisco snack? |
| 20:11.28 | ricky_clarkson | superSSS: Go and pick up a 486 from a car boot/garage sale. |
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| 20:11.31 | sjoeboo | like oreros? |
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| 20:11.39 | nvz | quitte: yeah Nabisco, they are a comany that makes snacks |
| 20:11.40 | quitte | nvz it'S a modem that has phone ports to use sip transparently with a phone |
| 20:11.41 | CarlosAlex | quitte, theres a firewall in the gateway |
| 20:11.41 | superSSS | ricky_clarkson: i386 yuck! |
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| 20:11.46 | ricky_clarkson | superSSS: Use AmigaOS on the A500. It's great. |
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| 20:11.57 | CarlosAlex | but its not block nothing about yahoo |
| 20:11.59 | ranfisluis | hola |
| 20:12.05 | ranfisluis | algien me puede ayudar |
| 20:12.06 | harryvv | Chowning a service to be owner of its own directory only alows it and root to make changes right? |
| 20:12.10 | quitte | CarlosAlex: hmm. thought so. can you disable that and use it as a plain modem? |
| 20:12.11 | CarlosAlex | theres a proxy too |
| 20:12.12 | ranfisluis | soy nuevo en knoppix |
| 20:12.12 | ricky_clarkson | !spanish |
| 20:12.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:12.28 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: umm? |
| 20:12.37 | quitte | CarlosAlex: are you using the proxy for web connections? |
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| 20:12.55 | ricky_clarkson | ranfisluis: /j #knoppix-es |
| 20:13.00 | ricky_clarkson | G'dam. |
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| 20:13.11 | CarlosAlex | Yes quitte |
| 20:13.14 | stew | CarlosAlex: how are you trying to connect to this smtp server? |
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| 20:13.34 | CarlosAlex | Using the proxy |
| 20:13.46 | CarlosAlex | let me to connect direct to dsl modem... |
| 20:13.54 | quitte | CarlosAlex: aha. so maybe dns doesn't work at all |
| 20:14.00 | valdyn | stew: his isp seemed to block smtp it seemed from an earlier conversation |
| 20:14.04 | stew | CarlosAlex: but what are you using as a client? |
| 20:14.07 | chealer | !7-zip is a LGPL file archiver with high compression ratio that only runs on Redmond. Ports to other platforms are in the version 5 roadmap. reference implementation for the 7z format, or http://7-zip.org |
| 20:14.07 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 20:14.17 | quitte | stew kmail |
| 20:14.20 | stew | valdyn: ok, i'm just wondering because he threw a telnet out there without a port number |
| 20:14.31 | valdyn | stew: oh heh |
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| 20:14.44 | quitte | stew but atm it seems he can use http only using a proxy. i doubt he has working nat at all |
| 20:15.02 | stew | CarlosAlex: have you asked your isp if they block port 25? many do |
| 20:15.24 | CarlosAlex | Bingo |
| 20:15.31 | quitte | stew it worked earlier |
| 20:15.34 | stew | ok |
| 20:15.37 | quitte | CarlosAlex: works? |
| 20:15.43 | CarlosAlex | Connecting direct in modem, I got send and get emails |
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| 20:15.58 | quitte | CarlosAlex: do you want to use the router/firewall? |
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| 20:16.09 | valdyn | !nat |
| 20:16.09 | dpkg | somebody said nat was Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more fexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 20:16.12 | CarlosAlex | Yes |
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| 20:16.23 | valdyn | CarlosAlex: ^^^ |
| 20:16.24 | nvz | damn .. I went oft-line there for a minute |
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| 20:16.47 | CarlosAlex | just a moment, I will see the proxy config |
| 20:16.49 | quitte | CarlosAlex: ok. then please explain what devices are between your debian box and the phone line in detail |
| 20:16.51 | nvz | smells like teen spirit |
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| 20:17.05 | grendal_prime | ok i now i have installed java on this machine...how do i find out if its in the path?? |
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| 20:17.14 | stew | grendal_prime: type "java" |
| 20:17.26 | grendal_prime | command not found |
| 20:17.33 | drp | !shiv |
| 20:17.33 | stew | grendal_prime: its not in the path |
| 20:17.41 | grendal_prime | ya thats what i figured |
| 20:18.08 | N-MAN | hello ;) |
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| 20:18.24 | grendal_prime | /usr/java/jre1.5.0/bin/java |
| 20:18.29 | grendal_prime | thats where its at |
| 20:18.38 | grendal_prime | how would i go about adding it to path? |
| 20:18.38 | greycat | grendal_prime: /msg dpkg install java |
| 20:18.40 | stew | freedom101: how did you install it? |
| 20:18.43 | stew | wow |
| 20:18.46 | stew | grendal_prime: ^^ |
| 20:18.50 | greycat | grendal_prime: ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0/bin/java /usr/local/bin/java |
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| 20:19.04 | chealer | !7z is a public archive format providing high compression ratio initially implemented by the 7-Zip archiver, or ask me about 7-zip |
| 20:19.04 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 20:19.06 | greycat | I don't think /usr/java meets the FHS guidelines. |
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| 20:19.12 | stew | certainly not |
| 20:19.42 | chealer | !7z is also no support on UN*X yet |
| 20:19.42 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 20:19.55 | infodroid | is chealer some kind of bot or what? |
| 20:19.56 | grendal_prime | worked thanks |
| 20:20.04 | greycat | chealer: who owns you? |
| 20:20.07 | stew | chealer: botsnack |
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| 20:20.49 | chealer | infodroid: yes indeed |
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| 20:21.16 | chealer | big issue is daily downtime, second is noobness |
| 20:21.32 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 20:21.33 | grendal_prime | v |
| 20:21.36 | grendal_prime | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: startup/jar |
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| 20:22.20 | grendal_prime | i got NoClassDef....i hate it when i have no class |
| 20:22.22 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 20:22.36 | greycat | Def. |
| 20:22.54 | HanClinto | Holy cow. AMD 64's really seem to rock socks. |
| 20:23.05 | HanClinto | I didn't know how much hype it was, but wow. They seem schweet. |
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| 20:23.15 | CarlosAlex | quitte, ready |
| 20:23.18 | LunarFaul | get a p4extreme edition and it will eat it =) |
| 20:23.23 | quitte | i bet using dhcp would have helped CarlosAlex a lot. too bad he doesnt read th... |
| 20:23.27 | quitte | CarlosAlex: ^^ |
| 20:23.28 | HanClinto | Digital-daily has a benchmark that makes me think that AMD is dollar-for-ghz a much better deal. |
| 20:23.29 | CarlosAlex | Was the firewall that was bloking my emails |
| 20:23.57 | quitte | CarlosAlex: ok |
| 20:24.21 | mrproper | I am trying to compile something on a Debian system and it says aclocal: macro `AM_PATH_PYTHON' required but not defined. How do I fix this? |
| 20:24.31 | HanClinto | LunarFaul: p4extreme edition adds $1000 to the price. I can get a heckuvanice monitor for $1000 |
| 20:24.33 | greycat | probably by installing something with python and -dev in it. |
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| 20:24.53 | schneiderj | how do I leave man file ? |
| 20:24.58 | HanClinto | q |
| 20:25.06 | LunarFaul | the top of the line amd64 chips are the same as the ee and the ee =) |
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| 20:25.17 | schneiderj | thank |
| 20:25.20 | HanClinto | np |
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| 20:25.36 | chealer | schneiderj: welcome to UN*X noobs :) |
| 20:25.52 | lucasvv | Good evening :) |
| 20:26.20 | schneiderj | Thanks... but I have a lot of trouble ! |
| 20:26.20 | CarlosAlex | quitte, thanks a lot for your help |
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| 20:26.31 | CarlosAlex | and all that had patient with me |
| 20:26.33 | schneiderj | But I will continu this installation of debian till I succed |
| 20:26.53 | CarlosAlex | Now, I had just a problem... My printer |
| 20:26.54 | CarlosAlex | but... |
| 20:27.02 | CarlosAlex | This I will keep trying later |
| 20:27.05 | quitte | CarlosAlex: it was a pleasure. if everybody knew how to do stuff themselves like you prove to know.... |
| 20:27.07 | chealer | schneiderj: of course, now you have man to help for any problem :) |
| 20:27.38 | ali7288 | hello, i am trying to configure ssh so i can actually connect to my comp but i can't... when i reinstall ssh, it tells me that i need to ssh has ForwardX11 and ForwardAgent set to ``off'' by default. maybe this is my problem? how can i fix this? |
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| 20:27.48 | lucasvv | I have a question... On bootup of my Debian system my firewall reports an attemted connection to an address I don't know. I blocked all traffic to this address, but I would like to know which program makes the connection... How can I determine things like that? |
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| 20:28.04 | greycat | ali7288: what actual *error* do you get? |
| 20:28.15 | ali7288 | when connecting? |
| 20:28.20 | nvz | tv sickens me.. I turn it on once in awhile to remind myself why I never watch it anymore.. TV used to be fake, it gave everyone who worked hard all day something they desire, now its all reality tv.. what does that say about people? |
| 20:28.31 | lucasvv | (anyone familiar with the adress 239.255.255.253:427?) |
| 20:28.32 | schneiderj | Yes, me I have perform an debian installation with an old Kernell, I just learn that here some minutes ago |
| 20:28.54 | HanClinto | nvz: It says that people want to be real -- they want to get away from fake Hollywood, and just want community and love in a real environment, like reality TV |
| 20:29.14 | nvz | I mean what kind of people are so boring so lifeless, so unambitious, that they sit around watching real life on tv? |
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| 20:29.31 | quitte | lucasvv: is that some sort of a riddle? uni/multicast is what comes to my mind |
| 20:29.33 | stew | nvz: are their "reality" tv shows that depict relaity in any way? |
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| 20:29.37 | greycat | nvz: it's not *real* real life. |
| 20:29.54 | greycat | nvz: it's "taking poor schmucks and making them do degrading things for money" |
| 20:30.02 | stew | nvz: not that i want to take the side of reality tv in any way, i'm with you in that its crap |
| 20:30.22 | nvz | tv is all together evil as far as I am concerned |
| 20:30.33 | stew | nvz: but there is some decent tv to be had as well, you just need myth to sort ot the crap for you :) |
| 20:30.36 | CarlosAlex | Is is possible make CDs with all the installations on this computer that Im using ?? I want to use those CDs to install all in another computer. |
| 20:30.44 | chealer | I'll scrap my TV when I'll get all The Simpsons DVDs |
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| 20:30.49 | nvz | unless you own a DVR its just a mind control device |
| 20:30.56 | noid2 | what is the best remote ftp data backup method ....does rcync support ftp ? |
| 20:31.01 | baroni | " dpkg -l | grep 'rc' " -> the packages listed by the this command, what does the 'r' and 'c' means ? |
| 20:31.04 | CarlosAlex | Its because I dont have internet at home, then Id like to install the same packages of this one at home |
| 20:31.13 | quitte | CarlosAlex: the debs are in /var/cache/apt/archives. |
| 20:31.16 | greycat | ali7288: the hostname you gave me in /msg resolves, but I get *NO* response from it for ssh, ping, or www. It's probably down or firewalled. |
| 20:31.33 | nvz | at least with DVR you can record all chanels on friday, then watch the one day of new shows all week while everyone else watches reruns :P |
| 20:31.33 | stew | noid2: rsync over ssh would be much better, unless you for some reason desire that all your bits travel the wire unencrypted |
| 20:31.35 | quitte | CarlosAlex: read the manpage for dpkg-scanpackage |
| 20:31.40 | witless | why is apache2 being such a filthy whore? |
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| 20:31.57 | noid2 | stew: you mean rsync over sftp |
| 20:31.59 | lucasvv | quitte: I mean, why would any application want to communicate with this address? Where does it go? |
| 20:32.07 | stew | noid2: no i don't |
| 20:32.21 | baroni | "dpkg -l | grep '^rc' " means packages that was removed but the config files still exists in the system ? |
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| 20:33.00 | CarlosAlex | Good |
| 20:33.00 | chealer | nvz: where do you live? |
| 20:33.00 | greycat | baroni: yes, just like the FAQ says. |
| 20:33.00 | noid2 | stew: ssh Openssh ftp ? |
| 20:33.00 | nvz | chealer: Texico |
| 20:33.00 | quitte | luvasvv hmm i think my guess wasn'T that bad. i'll have another guess: the app is talking to several hosts. |
| 20:33.00 | greycat | and the headers. and the man page, probably. |
| 20:33.00 | baroni | greycat: what faq ? where ? |
| 20:33.01 | greycat | !FAQ baroni |
| 20:33.01 | dpkg | baroni: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:33.09 | stew | noid2: is ftp a requirement for you? i'm saying forget ftp |
| 20:33.09 | baroni | thanks greycat , I'm now taking a lot |
| 20:33.11 | baroni | look |
| 20:33.20 | CarlosAlex | I have got go now... Thanks so much for all your help |
| 20:33.21 | schneiderj | how can I download a package from the shell ? |
| 20:33.23 | noid2 | stew: how does one tranfer files over ssh |
| 20:33.23 | lucasvv | quitte: How can I find out which app is speaking, and what it wants to say? |
| 20:33.30 | greycat | schneiderj: man apt-get |
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| 20:33.35 | nvz | chealer: the large mexican providance the US claims, and allows cheap mexican laborers to cross the boarders of mexico into. |
| 20:33.36 | PerfDave | Wow, "alias su=sux" in my .bashrc is a fantastically obvious idea. |
| 20:33.36 | BrianAnthony | how do I get java2-common?? |
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| 20:33.41 | chealer | nvz: hahahaha. no wonder is bad. we have a few channels that can be listened in quebec. |
| 20:33.46 | BrianAnthony | I just wish I could install this goddamn thing |
| 20:33.48 | cat | BrianAnthony: apt-get install java2-common |
| 20:33.51 | cat | or apt-cache search java |
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| 20:33.52 | greycat | !info java2-common sarge |
| 20:33.57 | greycat | !info java2-common sid |
| 20:34.01 | greycat | hmm. |
| 20:34.07 | stew | noid2: man scp; or: rsync -avz /path/to/files user@remotehost:/path/to/remote/files/ |
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| 20:34.32 | noid2 | stew: my /path/to/files is a remote machine |
| 20:34.36 | creichen | Hi! is there something like xgrab available in a Debian package (other than the GIMP)? |
| 20:34.43 | stew | noid2: so is mine |
| 20:34.44 | quitte | lucasvv: sorry. i dont know. ask the channel |
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| 20:34.48 | infodroid | PerfDave: how does su=sux make our lives any better? |
| 20:35.09 | lucasvv | quitte: thanks :) |
| 20:35.12 | nvz | chealer: the sick thing is.. down here.. you know Football and Baseball are large american past times.. well down here when the largest Football Games are on, we got 4 channels of soccer from other countires and 2 channels of womans golf, and 3 channels of fishing, and 2 racing, and no football on anywhere |
| 20:35.21 | stew | noid2: rsync -avz user@remotehost:/path/ /localpath works too |
| 20:35.26 | PerfDave | infodroid: It may not make your life any better, but it makes my life better. |
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| 20:35.44 | stew | noid2: read the rsync manpage, note that trailing slashes in rsync are significant |
| 20:35.48 | creichen | (i.e., any kind of easily scriptable fullscreen grabbing program for X11) |
| 20:35.52 | noid2 | stew: cool thanks... |
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| 20:35.58 | greycat | nvz: pastimes. |
| 20:36.02 | paulswm | nvz: My KY mother in law actually videotapes fishing shows. |
| 20:36.04 | lucasvv | So The question is: how to find out which app is speaking to address 239.255.255.253:427, and what it wants to say....? |
| 20:36.04 | infodroid | PerfDave: you should get help for you su problem, you may develop cross-addiction with sux |
| 20:36.07 | PerfDave | stew: There's something in imagemagick to grab screens from the command line. |
| 20:36.15 | PerfDave | infodroid: What the fuck ever. |
| 20:36.16 | sgeigerbot | which would be the best .deb-creation utility for the lazy sysadmin? |
| 20:36.18 | stew | PerfDave: yeah, import |
| 20:36.22 | MoonDoggie | nvz, move |
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| 20:36.30 | nvz | paulswm: gawd.. |
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| 20:36.47 | PerfDave | creichen: There's something in imagemagick to grab screens from the command line - import |
| 20:36.55 | creichen | PerfDave: Thank you! |
| 20:37.02 | greycat | creichen: /msg dpkg screen shot |
| 20:37.25 | creichen | greycat: Perfect, thanks! |
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| 20:38.08 | chealer | nvz: really sorry, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean. you say that football has too much visibility for texicans right? |
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| 20:38.47 | harryvv | our mailboxes got opened by the thief again. He has a key that turns a special audio control panel lock and activates the door soliniod letting him in. If I take a wire off the feed and into some kind of analog to digital ttl and into a serial port would triger a alarm of some kind? the keyhole is only turned once by the mailman. second time would be a thief with stolen key :) |
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| 20:39.47 | paulswm | nvz: A couple yeasr ago, there was concern that the Orlando Symphony Orchestra would die through lack of funds, so this radio show was trying to raise money, to preserve culture. They pointed out that the general opinion in Orlando seemed to be "We got plenty of culture in Orlando: we already had four tractor pulls this year." |
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| 20:40.21 | stew | hah, thats like the kind of culture that grows on a petri dish or something |
| 20:40.42 | nvz | heh |
| 20:40.46 | chealer | what's a tractor pull? |
| 20:40.54 | hedonick | harryvv: unless the mailman forgets something and comes another time and gets brained by you? ;-) How about a weigth sensor where you register when something is taken out of the mailbox? |
| 20:40.59 | nvz | what the hell is a tractor |
| 20:41.01 | Wanderer | I'd believe that in Atlanta but not Orlando |
| 20:41.02 | BrianAnthony | why can't dpkg tell me about java2-common =/ |
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| 20:41.10 | Wanderer | Orlando isn't a "southern" state, it's a Yankee state |
| 20:41.12 | chealer | I think I know what's a tractor |
| 20:41.17 | vulture | BrianAnthony: because it doesn't have a factoid by that name.. |
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| 20:41.45 | quitte | chealer tractor pulls weight. weight gets heavier. tractor stops. biggest distance=winner |
| 20:41.50 | nvz | there is a guy right up the road who got an old rusted ford tractor on his front lawn with a for sale sign on it |
| 20:42.01 | ^c | my tractor is sexy |
| 20:42.05 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:42.42 | nvz | the ascii pie chart in the motd is pretty cool.. |
| 20:42.50 | nvz | while I am ranting random BS |
| 20:42.59 | chealer | quitte: so it's tractor power contest? if you're not joking USA *is* a damn strange country |
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| 20:43.35 | nvz | chealer: yeah? there are people in the Guiness Book Of World Records for spitting crickets further than anyone else |
| 20:43.36 | ^c | I prefer the ones powered by jet-engines, ones has four of em on it |
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| 20:44.00 | digerati_ | chealer: Everything is bigger in the USA ;) |
| 20:44.01 | hedonick | chealer: http://www.pallack.de/Physik/bilder/tractor_pulling.jpg <- for an example |
| 20:44.14 | lucasvv | Hmmm.... Are we discussing the essence America's culture here? A tractor pulling contest? |
| 20:44.15 | Matthew_I | and then every thing is even bigger in texas |
| 20:44.26 | paulswm | Wanderer: Believe it, I heard it with my own ears |
| 20:44.28 | nvz | chealer: imagine the hillbillies who said to one another "I'll bet I could spit that cricket further than you, boy I'll tell you whut", and the other goes "Oh yeah, *pthew* beat that!" |
| 20:44.43 | digerati_ | Matthew_I: nice !!! heh |
| 20:45.01 | ^c | In one town in |
| 20:45.08 | quitte | what is a cricket. i thought it was a unbelievably boring sport. |
| 20:45.20 | noid2 | how can you add rsync -avz to cron to enter the password ? |
| 20:45.23 | nvz | no crickets are little bugs that chirp in the night |
| 20:45.28 | dan2 | wow, I'm terrible at cad |
| 20:45.31 | ^c | TN a four lane road consists of 2 asphault and 2 dirt for 4wheelers |
| 20:45.42 | nvz | they are eaten by lizards and frogs..etc |
| 20:45.51 | Matthew_I | vim rox |
| 20:46.09 | chealer | nvz: hehe, we do have some questionable centres of interest in quebec also, but enough offtopic for me today :) |
| 20:46.10 | nvz | and apperently unsophisticate rednecks also put them in their mouth, but they dont eat em.. they just do it for fun |
| 20:46.11 | dan2 | s/at cat/in general/ |
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| 20:46.44 | Steelhoof | I was wondering this "register your nick" crap is all about... just tried #fedora... a real pisser. |
| 20:47.01 | Steelhoof | IMNSHO the Fedora goons are doing this in bad taste |
| 20:47.02 | nvz | Steelhoof: /msg nickserv help |
| 20:47.04 | quittt | what is great in Debian? |
| 20:47.09 | greycat | !why debian |
| 20:47.09 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 20:47.29 | Matthew_I | Steelhoof: you should probably stay away from fedora... |
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| 20:47.31 | Steelhoof | yet another reason to say no |
| 20:47.33 | quittt | I want to know what the users think |
| 20:47.41 | quittt | not what a website can tell |
| 20:47.42 | chealer | hedonick: eeeww. better stop talking about that |
| 20:47.45 | sgeigerbot | quittt: Then read, moron. |
| 20:47.47 | nvz | Steelhoof: its an incredibly easy one step process that stops people from masquerading around with your identity |
| 20:47.52 | Steelhoof | I have it on my laptop |
| 20:48.00 | quittt | sgeigerbot, who are you to call me moron? |
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| 20:48.06 | sgeigerbot | quittt: The web sites aren't maintained by Windows users. |
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| 20:48.32 | chealer | quittt: you're the user |
| 20:48.37 | sgeigerbot | quittt: If the shoe fits... |
| 20:48.39 | gilles | Is there a deamon for Evolution ? |
| 20:48.41 | Steelhoof | yeah, but I use several machines and several clients, and event different os's |
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| 20:48.50 | Steelhoof | seems liker a real pain for me |
| 20:48.53 | nvz | Steelhoof: doesnt matter |
| 20:48.56 | ^c | gilles: yes its called life |
| 20:48.58 | greycat | quittt: stop being a lazy shit. Read the pages, then if you *still* have a specific question, ask it. |
| 20:49.02 | nvz | Steelhoof: configure them all to identify you |
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| 20:49.17 | quittt | none 5,0M 760K 4,3M 15% /dev |
| 20:49.17 | quittt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.17 | nvz | Steelhoof: all you do is before joining a channel /msg nickserv identify <password> |
| 20:49.23 | gilles | ^c: ;) |
| 20:49.23 | nvz | Steelhoof: then you are known to the server |
| 20:49.26 | quittt | none 5,0M 760K 4,3M 15% /dev |
| 20:49.28 | greycat | looks like df output. |
| 20:49.30 | sgeigerbot | gilles: there are processes that remind you of things... |
| 20:49.45 | greycat | df -h with a weird European locale. |
| 20:49.47 | quitte | I really hope noone confuses us |
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| 20:49.52 | sgeigerbot | gilles: I forget what those things are--you know, like events, tasks. |
| 20:49.58 | Steelhoof | and will admit it |
| 20:50.02 | greycat | quitte: don't worry. you *will* be confused. |
| 20:50.02 | ^c | quitte: well you lost me |
| 20:50.08 | quittt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.14 | quittt | none 5,0M 760K 4,3M 15% /dev |
| 20:50.17 | greycat | udev! KILL IT! |
| 20:50.20 | phorce1 | well crap -- anyone using screen know how to detach a remote screen session that is running (via ssh) inside a local screen session so I can log out of the remote and drop ssh without killing the running screens? |
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| 20:50.28 | quittt | I have those in df -h |
| 20:50.28 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 20:50.31 | quittt | what are them??? |
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| 20:50.37 | quittt | what is that shit? |
| 20:50.40 | phorce1 | CTRL-A D detaches the local session |
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| 20:50.50 | ali7288 | For security reasons, the Debian version of ssh has ForwardX11 and ForwardAgent set to ``off'' by default. |
| 20:50.54 | nvz | Steelhoof: thats just stupid, its not lazy. there is no work involved, not to mention you have no business what so ever using multiple boxes and clients to come here, you just start "screen irssi" and reattache it anywhere you go via ssh |
| 20:50.54 | ali7288 | how do i turn them on? |
| 20:50.55 | greycat | quittt: evil mutant aliens (that look like GNOMEs) come to corrupt your precious bodily fluids. |
| 20:50.57 | vulture | phorce1: screen -D <name of session> (screen -ls) detaches a session (wherever it is) and logs out |
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| 20:51.05 | mrproper | Where in Debian can I get openssl.pc? |
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| 20:51.09 | chealer | quitte: eh, someone should change its nick. or you'll get bad reputation ;) |
| 20:51.10 | quitte | greycat did i use the word confuse in a wrong way? |
| 20:51.10 | quittt | is it a GNOME thing? |
| 20:51.16 | phorce1 | vulture: -- thanks |
| 20:51.17 | vulture | ali7288: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:51.29 | greycat | quitte: no, I meant it in the same way you did. People *will* confuse you two. Prepare for it. |
| 20:51.37 | nvz | Steelhoof: I am away from my PC right this minute.. and I am still on IRC through my box from here, all I had to do was ssh in and reattach my screen |
| 20:51.41 | greycat | quittt: it's a udev thing. |
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| 20:51.44 | chealer | mrproper: apt-file search openssl.pc |
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| 20:51.46 | vulture | phorce1: if there's only one session in existence, then naming it is unecessary |
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| 20:51.50 | hedonick | chealer: http://www.pallack.de/Physik/bilder/tractor_pulling.jpg <- for an example |
| 20:51.54 | quittt | greycat, what is udev? |
| 20:52.00 | gianks | good evening |
| 20:52.06 | greycat | quittt: the source of much of the evil in the world as we know it. |
| 20:52.10 | vulture | nvz: *nods* that's the way to go, I have almost everything in a screen session |
| 20:52.16 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr this is makeing me crazy |
| 20:52.17 | paulswm | quitte: man udev |
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| 20:52.20 | quitte | chealer already tried asking him to change his nick. he was telling me he's been here longer. and i'd feel guilty if i shouted at it every time i see it. |
| 20:52.20 | quittt | green_earz, ???? |
| 20:52.25 | quitte | paulswm aaargh!! |
| 20:52.29 | greycat | paulswm: and don't forget "apt-cache show" |
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| 20:52.48 | quittt | greycat, should I remove it? |
| 20:52.48 | grendal_prime | i need an open office macro that fires up sed and runs it on the last file saved by open office |
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| 20:53.00 | mrproper | chealer: There is no openssl.pc when I do apt-file search |
| 20:53.18 | quittt | paulswm, I am quittt not quitte |
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| 20:53.37 | Steelhoof | nvz: ssh is good, but connecting that way with a flaky providerlike SBC means constant reconnects |
| 20:53.43 | quittt | greycat, should I remove this? |
| 20:53.47 | chealer | mrproper: what's your release? |
| 20:53.50 | paulswm | quittt: Sorry, too confusing :) |
| 20:53.52 | greycat | quittt: depends on what you want. |
| 20:53.53 | nvz | vulture: yep, it takes care of you. If I want to kill X right now, my ssh session dies, but my screen session just detaches, if I leave here and go back to my PC and forget to logout, I can power detach and it will not only detach my screen from here, but it will log me out as well |
| 20:54.04 | tyia | is there a way to "ping" a host by MAC-address? |
| 20:54.11 | mrproper | chealer: Uhhh...sid I think. |
| 20:54.16 | quittt | greycat, is it going to gimme problems, or slow down my machine? |
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| 20:54.20 | greycat | tyia: nmap and arp may help. |
| 20:54.21 | phorce1 | vulture: I haven't actually tried it yet -- but I saw the -D in the man page. It says "detach and reattach here". I want it to detach and exit screen on the remote so I can log out of the ssh session on the remote. Guess I should have used a VT outside of my local screen sessions to ssh to the remote. |
| 20:54.23 | quittt | does it give anything good for me? |
| 20:54.37 | greycat | quittt: it's only needed by gnome-volume-manager. |
| 20:54.47 | paulswm | quitte: sorry, mistaken identity :) |
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| 20:54.50 | chealer | mrproper: if you don't know, you shouldn't be using sid. cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:54.55 | quittt | greycat, ohh |
| 20:55.01 | quittt | greycat, I use it =/ |
| 20:55.11 | mrproper | chealer: 3.1 |
| 20:55.18 | tyia | greycat: ok, thought there's a better way... |
| 20:55.22 | CrypticSquared | hey does the swap patition have to be on the same drive as / ? |
| 20:55.26 | quittt | greycat, I will stay with that |
| 20:55.30 | paulswm | CrypticSquared: no |
| 20:55.34 | quittt | greycat, what are these mounts for? |
| 20:55.36 | CrypticSquared | thanks |
| 20:55.46 | gianks | i have a problem with X: i tried to install debian, but when the installation finished, i restarted the pc, and the system tried to start X, but the screen became striped red/white. |
| 20:55.47 | paulswm | CrypticSquared: yw |
| 20:55.52 | greycat | quittt: they're for udev. |
| 20:56.01 | greycat | quittt: I suggest a nice heaping helping of RTFM. |
| 20:56.02 | quittt | greycat, ohhhh |
| 20:56.09 | chealer | mrproper: did you intentionnally upgrade to sid? you should really know that. if not, you're using sarge, and packages libxmlsec1-dev and libssl-dev contain that file |
| 20:56.12 | quittt | greycat, I had a look to it |
| 20:56.13 | phorce1 | vulture: WOW! 'screen -D' [remoter power detached] [connection to {remote name} terminated] |
| 20:56.31 | vulture | phorce1: it doesn't say that anything is reattached anywhere: does not start screen, but detaches the elsewhere running screen session. |
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| 20:56.43 | phorce1 | closed screen and terminated the ssh connection. |
| 20:56.48 | nvz | gianks: since that contains no understandable error, you could try be more specific about 2-4 stripes, 20-40 stripes, vertical, horizontal, diagonal.. random, uniform.. etc |
| 20:56.48 | greycat | gianks: how festive. let me guess. woody, with a shiny new $500 video card. |
| 20:56.51 | vulture | phorce1: right. that'll disconnect and logout.. that's what I told you it would do |
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| 20:57.09 | nvz | greycat: heh :) |
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| 20:58.02 | gianks | i've a Gforce 4 128 MB |
| 20:58.13 | suncomet | how to set eth to use, i tested my another connection using ifup eth0 and then ifdown eth0 and now eth1 doesn't work as should, it seems that dns isn't resolving, can't ping google.com but its ip i can... |
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| 20:58.22 | greycat | gianks: woody doesn't support the geforce 4. |
| 20:58.25 | greycat | gianks: use sarge. |
| 20:58.30 | gianks | i use it |
| 20:58.35 | noid2 | how can you add rsync -avz to a cron to enter the ssh password when prompted ? |
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| 20:58.36 | gianks | :? |
| 20:59.04 | greycat | suncomet: examine /etc/resolv.conf and fix it if needed. |
| 20:59.10 | gianks | i installed sarge, till the third cd |
| 20:59.12 | phorce1 | vulture: What I had done though is connect to the remote using "ssh user@remote". Then on the remote I used "screen -R" to attach to a screen session that I leave running there all the time. But I was inside a screen session here on the local machine already so all of my CTRL-A comands were affecting the local and I couldn't switch windows on the remote. |
| 20:59.18 | cee | can anyone recommend a laptop brand, that works great under linux.. also acpi ? |
| 20:59.36 | valdyn | noid2: dont do it, man ssh, passwords are not required if you use the right auhorisation method |
| 20:59.47 | greycat | anything without a broadcom wireless card in it (or just ignore the wireless card altogether, like me.) |
| 20:59.51 | HanClinto | I'm interested in Cee's question too |
| 20:59.53 | greycat | or an intel wireless card. |
| 20:59.53 | quitte | noid2 don't. try the ssh-copy-id manpage. and the ssh manpage. you don'T need a password for ssh |
| 20:59.55 | vulture | phorce1: so you should have set a different escape character, I use ^O and ^A for my nested screens |
| 20:59.58 | jstevens | cee: Dell seems to do a great job, this Inspiron 8200 works NICE |
| 21:00.00 | greycat | or hell, ANY wireless card. they're all evil. |
| 21:00.01 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.07 | vulture | phorce1: I still don't understand what it is you wanted to do that was not done my what I suggested. |
| 21:00.09 | gianks | greycat: what should i do? |
| 21:00.09 | greycat | although I've heard the Prism chipsets are less evil. |
| 21:00.15 | greycat | gianks: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:00.15 | HanClinto | My old Compaq Presario 900 works fine with Linux -- haven't had problems with hardware detection |
| 21:00.21 | robin_sz | jstevens: same here, very pleased with Dell |
| 21:00.23 | chealer | !dell |
| 21:00.23 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
| 21:00.43 | chealer | makes you ambivalent |
| 21:00.49 | cee | robin_sz, jstevens: ok.. i just saw that the Percision models have problems with acpi... |
| 21:01.28 | chealer | I also have to shop for a laptop :| |
| 21:01.45 | robin_sz | cee: which bits of acpi do you need? the extra keys on the console work fine for me under acpi |
| 21:01.55 | smcavoy | you know, My PowerBook 12" runs Linux quite nicely :) |
| 21:02.19 | cee | robin_sz: well.. suspend/hibernation.. thats whats _really_ important.. the rest is just a bonus |
| 21:02.36 | orjan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.41 | robin_sz | cee: thats not acpi, thats apm and it works OK for me .. |
| 21:02.46 | HanClinto | Chealer: What are you looking at? I'm currently pretty sold on the Compaq R3000Z |
| 21:02.59 | HanClinto | Chealer: I'm pretty close to buying one -- I think I'll try and order it tomorrow |
| 21:03.11 | cee | robin_sz: on the newer models of dell, they dont come with apm.. so your stuck with acpi |
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| 21:03.28 | chealer | HanClinto: anything that can nicely dual-boot for my university...obviously working wireless is needed |
| 21:03.40 | robin_sz | cee: I shut the lid on this 8200 it goes to sleep, I open it .. it wakes up like noting happened .. |
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| 21:03.53 | robin_sz | but its 2 years old I guess |
| 21:03.58 | OvrLrd-Q | Greetings, I'm trying to find where the scripts are located which are executed when a box goes down for reboot, i'd search for it but I dunno what to google for. |
| 21:03.58 | robin_sz | things change |
| 21:03.59 | HanClinto | Chealer: If Dell did more laptops that didn't have those freaking Pentium M's, I would like to get a Dell. And if Toshiba offered 15.4 inch screens that weren't freaking low-res WXGA's, I would be interested in a Toshiba. Compaq and eMachine and Acer are the only ones that offer what I want. |
| 21:04.00 | phorce1 | vulture: What you suggested worked great. I was just mis-reading the help page which says "-D (-r) Detach and logout remote (and reattach here)" My brain ignored the () <sigh> |
| 21:04.15 | vulture | phorce1: *nods* |
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| 21:04.27 | robin_sz | HanClinto: mmm .. dell 15" 1600x1200 tasty display ,mmmmm |
| 21:04.31 | valdyn | OvrLrd-Q: /etc/init.d/ |
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| 21:04.44 | jstevens | the laptop-mode package works fine on this P4-M |
| 21:04.54 | chealer | OvrLrd-Q: /etc/rc6.d/ |
| 21:04.58 | HanClinto | Robin_sz: Yeah, but that's not widescreen. I want a 15.4" display. :-\ |
| 21:05.06 | lu | hellow chealer, |
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| 21:05.14 | lu | i have dell laptop with wuxga |
| 21:05.17 | gianks | greycat: i haven't uderstood how to use the debian-istaller with the cd's i downloaded |
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| 21:05.34 | valdyn | OvrLrd-Q: ok.. /etc/init.d/ = locatio of scripts, /etc/rc6.d/ contains the actually revelant symlinks |
| 21:05.37 | chealer | lu: hey |
| 21:05.39 | simonrvn | gianks: you boot from #1 |
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| 21:05.47 | HanClinto | lu: But it probably has a Pentium M procesor, unless it's the old Dell 9100 (which they don't sell anymore unless it's through the Outlet) |
| 21:05.48 | greycat | what CDs did you downloaD? |
| 21:05.48 | robin_sz | HanClinto: oh, 16x9 .. they do a mod kit for 1600x900 if you want it |
| 21:05.49 | empe | ntu |
| 21:05.59 | lu | aah, gotcha |
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| 21:06.03 | lu | have PM |
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| 21:06.06 | HanClinto | robin_sz: heh. :) |
| 21:06.10 | gianks | the 1 2 3 i386 iso |
| 21:06.12 | joh_ | hi |
| 21:06.13 | lu | sorry |
| 21:06.16 | HanClinto | robin_sz: Mod kit -- called duct tape? :) |
| 21:06.22 | robin_sz | HanClinto: its a piece of duct tape .. about 300 pixels wide |
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| 21:06.25 | robin_sz | ; |
| 21:06.28 | HanClinto | heh |
| 21:06.29 | lu | though i could finally help the chealer |
| 21:06.31 | robin_sz | heh |
| 21:06.32 | LTx | I installed debian on my computer as a dual boot with windows a while back, i just reinstalled windows and the bootloader (or screen that lets me choose which os to boot) has gone away, is there anyway to re-activate it? |
| 21:06.46 | vulture | LTx: boot off your rescue disk and run lilo |
| 21:07.02 | LTx | well, unfortunately i have no floppy drive |
| 21:07.09 | robin_sz | rescue CD |
| 21:07.11 | LTx | and couldn't make a rescue disc |
| 21:07.13 | stew | LTx: do you have a bootable linux cd? |
| 21:07.14 | jstevens | LTx: you could use the CD |
| 21:07.17 | LTx | yeah |
| 21:07.21 | infodroid | LTx: boot off the install cd |
| 21:07.22 | LTx | i have the net install CD |
| 21:07.26 | LTx | ok |
| 21:07.31 | LTx | and install LILO? |
| 21:07.42 | robin_sz | or grub if thats wat you had before |
| 21:07.46 | paulswm | LTx: or grub, wjichever one you wer using before |
| 21:07.46 | OvrLrd-Q | valdyn: ok, thx, trying to get iptables to save/load rulesets |
| 21:07.50 | infodroid | LTx: chroot into your root drive and run 'lilo' |
| 21:07.58 | LTx | ok, thanks, i'll give it a try |
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| 21:08.05 | gianks | greycat: help me please |
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| 21:08.24 | valdyn | OvrLrd-Q: i *think* debian has something prepared for that, personally i use shorewall |
| 21:08.39 | valdyn | OvrLrd-Q: but nothing wrong with doing it yourself |
| 21:08.43 | paulswm | Running lilo isn't going to help him a whole lot if he'd installed sarge and was running grub |
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| 21:08.53 | chealer | HanClinto: thanks for your experience. I already heard about acer for that |
| 21:08.54 | greycat | 16:06 gianks> the 1 2 3 i386 iso |
| 21:08.56 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 21:08.56 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 21:09.08 | OvrLrd-Q | valdyn: hmm yes, strange there is a script already there, but for some reason nothing's getting saved and/or loaded :/ |
| 21:09.18 | robin_sz | badgers! |
| 21:09.19 | greycat | you probably downloaded WOODY, which I have told you MULTIPLE TIMES will NOT WORK on your geforce 4. |
| 21:09.22 | valdyn | OvrLrd-Q: which script? |
| 21:09.30 | greycat | !geforce4 |
| 21:09.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, geforce4 is Unfortunately, GeForce4 cards are not supported by XFree86 4.1, which is in woody. You can either get X4.2 (/msg dpkg x4.2 woody backport), or get the non-Free nvidia drivers (/msg dpkg nvidia) or use the 'vesa' driver. or upgrade to testing |
| 21:09.38 | OvrLrd-Q | valdyn: /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 21:09.43 | robin_sz | http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ # badgery goodness |
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| 21:09.51 | infodroid | LTx: yea, make sure you had lilo before, else run 'update-grub' if you have grub |
| 21:10.01 | sgeigerbot | robin_sz: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 21:10.31 | gianks | greycat: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ |
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| 21:10.44 | greycat | gianks: boot it. read what it says on the screen. |
| 21:10.55 | gianks | i've already done |
| 21:11.16 | gianks | the installation seemed to work poperly |
| 21:11.37 | stew | OvrLrd-Q: do you have a symlink to that script in /etc/rc2.d? |
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| 21:11.53 | valdyn | OvrLrd-Q: i dont know that package, but /usr/share/doc/iptables should have the documentation |
| 21:12.02 | gianks | but after it at the X start the screen became striped red and white |
| 21:12.06 | OvrLrd-Q | stew: looking . . . . negative |
| 21:12.13 | HanClinto | Chealer: Sure thing. :) I've been shopping seriously for the past week, and the only reputable companies that offer Athlon 64's is HP/Compaq, eMachine and Acer. I'd be fine with an Intel, but I hate the freaking low-voltage Pentium M's -- they're slow. I'm looking for a desktop replacement, long battery life isn't what I need. My current laptop doesn't even have a battery, so I just plug in everywhere I go. I want mobile speed, and a 15.4" screen. Tha |
| 21:12.26 | stew | OvrLrd-Q: that would explain why its not being loaded at boot |
| 21:12.31 | chealer | HanClinto: wow, third google result for ""Compaq R3000Z" is "Configuring Linux on a Compaq R3000Z" :) |
| 21:12.42 | HanClinto | Chealer: However, you may want to be more mobile than what I need, ymmv. |
| 21:12.54 | HanClinto | Chealer: Oh sweet. :) |
| 21:13.00 | HanClinto | Chealer: I didn't even try that. |
| 21:13.06 | lu | CLEVO baby |
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| 21:13.16 | OvrLrd-Q | stew: ah :/ |
| 21:13.19 | gianks | greycat: have you understood my problem? |
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| 21:13.27 | HanClinto | Chealer: I just know I can build a freaking schweet laptop for under $2000 and still have a 3 year accidental damage policy. |
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| 21:13.30 | lu | seegernotebooks would my choice weapon |
| 21:13.35 | valdyn | HanClinto: did you search for Opteron? |
| 21:13.43 | blablablabla | anyone here who has /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 on his box? |
| 21:13.48 | HanClinto | Valdyn: No, I didn't. I'll check it out now |
| 21:14.10 | infodroid | gianks: set up your xf86config-4 properly or something |
| 21:14.20 | blablablabla | dpkg says its installed but it isn't ... I verified it on two testing boxes. |
| 21:14.20 | dpkg | blablablabla: You are moron #13 |
| 21:14.35 | chealer | HanClinto: sorry what do you mean by "build a laptop". i never owned a laptop yet |
| 21:14.40 | HanClinto | Valdyn: Is that better than Athlon for laptops? |
| 21:14.50 | Xemacs_ | <<< forgot his moron number |
| 21:14.59 | sgeigerbot | Xemacs_: #34 |
| 21:15.05 | valdyn | HanClinto: no,sorry, i thought you were looking for servers |
| 21:15.11 | lu | buut, if you all have read about the latest p3, quad dual core cpu technology. in about 6months we are looking at cool technology coming from taiwan |
| 21:15.15 | Xemacs_ | sgeigerbot, thnx |
| 21:15.16 | blablablabla | dpkg: hrm? |
| 21:15.20 | HanClinto | Chealer: Oh, on Compaq's page, you can select options and "custom build" a laptop. For instance, "add a DVD writer for $75, add a DVD writer w/ dual-layer support for $100", etc |
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| 21:15.23 | grendal_prime | anyone any good with macros in open office? |
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| 21:15.42 | sgeigerbot | grendal_prime: Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
| 21:15.42 | paulswm | blablablabla: you are talking to a bot |
| 21:15.44 | chealer | grendal_prime: probably #openoffice.org |
| 21:15.47 | Xemacs_ | sgeigerbot, I wanna make top 10 though |
| 21:15.49 | HanClinto | Chealer: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/cto/computer_customize_components.do |
| 21:15.57 | HanClinto | Oh shoot, that's a session-specific link |
| 21:16.04 | blablablabla | paulswm: I thought of that already ... |
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| 21:16.08 | MSG43 | hi |
| 21:16.12 | MSG43 | I need help |
| 21:16.13 | chealer | HanClinto: ok I'll do further search myself |
| 21:16.15 | MSG43 | I'm using ubuntu |
| 21:16.19 | chealer | !ubuntu |
| 21:16.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 21:16.32 | sgeigerbot | Xemacs_: Then start imitating quittt. |
| 21:16.38 | MSG43 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.43 | stew | MSG43: wrong channel |
| 21:16.52 | MSG43 | stew: can't I still get help |
| 21:16.59 | sgeigerbot | Ummmm...I don't think so. |
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| 21:17.01 | MSG43 | 43 root@ubuntu:~/netgear # modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 21:17.01 | MSG43 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.02 | stew | MSG43: not in here read the /topic |
| 21:17.10 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: no. it's a wrapper for wifi drivers |
| 21:17.11 | paulswm | MSG43: #ubuntu |
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| 21:17.26 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: It's a module, not a partition.... |
| 21:17.29 | CrypticSquared | greycat, the sarge installer ROCKS!!!! |
| 21:17.30 | stew | !mount ndiswrapper |
| 21:17.40 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: exactly |
| 21:17.43 | Lynoure | There would be certain humour in naming a debian machine ubuntu :) |
| 21:17.51 | stew | !test |
| 21:17.51 | dpkg | Yes, stew, you're still online. |
| 21:18.08 | sgeigerbot | s/one/on/ |
| 21:18.11 | paulswm | stew: you can't mount a module |
| 21:18.26 | MSG43 | I mean modprobe |
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| 21:18.33 | PerfDave | !topicsmite MSG43 |
| 21:18.35 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon MSG43. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:18.35 | stew | paulswm: i was expecting dpkg to spit something out along the lines of what sgeigerbot said |
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| 21:18.55 | simonrvn | a module may permit you to mount a partition or a remote FS, but you don't mount a module... |
| 21:19.02 | paulswm | stew: Ah, I was thinking you had momentarily taken leave of your senses :) |
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| 21:19.03 | MSG43 | sorry :( |
| 21:19.04 | lobster | is there a gnu equivilent of pkunzip? |
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| 21:19.10 | greycat | lobster: no, but there's unzip. |
| 21:19.11 | PerfDave | lobster: unzip |
| 21:19.15 | greycat | it's not GNU, of course. |
| 21:19.18 | sgeigerbot | lobster: apt-get install unp; unp <file> |
| 21:19.21 | lobster | thanks |
| 21:19.33 | jstevens | what about gunzip ? |
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| 21:19.44 | greycat | gunzip is not equivalent to pkunzip. |
| 21:19.50 | sgeigerbot | lobster: ...it abstracts that sort of thing for you. It does more than unzip zip files. It does .tgz and all the other common ones. |
| 21:19.54 | simonrvn | that's for gzipped files... |
| 21:19.57 | sgeigerbot | jstevens: try unp |
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| 21:20.13 | jstevens | aah, got ya |
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| 21:20.29 | shadebob | hi; |
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| 21:20.30 | MSG43 | hi |
| 21:20.31 | MSG43 | again |
| 21:20.40 | shadebob | someone use hylafax here? |
| 21:20.53 | sgeigerbot | shadebob: Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
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| 21:21.00 | Xemacs_ | !tell MSG43 about ask |
| 21:21.14 | MSG43 | I want to use debian, but I'm a linux newbie and I need a gui in order to do anything. Is there an easy way to install gnome from removeable media? Really easily? |
| 21:21.18 | LunarFaul | could anybody tell me where the debian equivelent of rc.local is? |
| 21:21.27 | simonrvn | !rc.local |
| 21:21.27 | dpkg | [rc.local] the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 21:21.28 | greycat | LunarFaul: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 21:21.29 | lu | MSG43 absolutely |
| 21:21.29 | PerfDave | MSG43: apt-move? |
| 21:21.31 | stew | MSG43: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:21.36 | lu | apt-cdrom |
| 21:21.43 | PerfDave | MSG43: You can install Debian with Gnome. |
| 21:21.49 | MSG43 | I can |
| 21:21.53 | LunarFaul | thanks grey |
| 21:21.55 | MSG43 | I didn't see that on the cd I download? |
| 21:21.59 | paulswm | MSG43: install debian if you want to use it :) |
| 21:22.09 | MSG43 | well I do but I need a gui |
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| 21:22.28 | quittt | sgeigerbot, stop being an idiot |
| 21:22.41 | paulswm | MSG43: You'll get a GUI with the installation if you select it |
| 21:22.41 | quittt | you need to respect people |
| 21:22.48 | greycat | or after the installation, if you select it. |
| 21:22.53 | MSG43 | I looked for one and didn't find one |
| 21:22.58 | greycat | quittt: respect must be earned. |
| 21:22.59 | MSG43 | boy I must be stupid |
| 21:23.08 | greycat | MSG43: apt-get install x-window-system-core fvwm |
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| 21:23.14 | stew | MSG43: apt-get install gnome |
| 21:23.18 | greycat | stew: YUCK! |
| 21:23.26 | greycat | stew: plus, that won't install the X server. |
| 21:23.28 | stew | greycat: he specifically asked for gnome above |
| 21:23.35 | paulswm | MSG43: Install debian if you want to use debian and a GUI, you are not currently running debian |
| 21:23.55 | MSG43 | is there any easy debian clone |
| 21:24.00 | MSG43 | like for a newbie? |
| 21:24.13 | zappy | MSG43: ubuntu |
| 21:24.17 | MSG43 | no |
| 21:24.19 | paulswm | Heh |
| 21:24.20 | stew | MSG43: you already have ubuntu, whats wrong with that? |
| 21:24.20 | MSG43 | non ono no no non no |
| 21:24.20 | valdyn | MSG43: debian is easy, but the main point is, getting help in here works only for debian |
| 21:24.21 | HanClinto | MSG43: Besides Ubuntu? |
| 21:24.22 | quittt | no greycat, respect must be learned |
| 21:24.31 | MSG43 | stew: it not working |
| 21:24.36 | MSG43 | I can't modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 21:24.38 | stew | MSG43: then ask in #ubuntu |
| 21:24.48 | greycat | quittt: if you earn disrespect, except to join my /ignore list. you're not there yet, but.... |
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| 21:24.57 | greycat | s/except/expect/ |
| 21:25.01 | MSG43 | and trying to install ndiswrapper was a challenge and It doesn't seem like anyone wants to help me in ubuntu |
| 21:25.04 | tronja | hello people |
| 21:25.14 | MSG43 | that why I tried getting help her |
| 21:25.17 | MSG43 | *here |
| 21:25.20 | greycat | MSG43: you're right. nobody wants to help you with ubuntu. |
| 21:25.27 | tronja | what can i add just a ftp user? |
| 21:25.30 | tronja | in debian |
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| 21:25.35 | greycat | !l33t ftp |
| 21:25.35 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my FTP server to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false and put /bin/false in /etc/shells!!!!! |
| 21:25.36 | paulswm | MSG43: You can install debian sarge, it's not that hard, and then we in here can help you though it |
| 21:25.38 | HanClinto | Greycat: Ouch. |
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| 21:25.50 | MSG43 | ok I think I'll install debian when I have time |
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| 21:25.53 | tronja | !l33t ftp |
| 21:25.53 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my FTP server to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false and put /bin/false in /etc/shells!!!!! |
| 21:25.59 | MSG43 | and then get help to install gnome, x server, and what ever else I need |
| 21:26.10 | MSG43 | this channel really bets any other channel |
| 21:26.11 | MSG43 | gtg |
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| 21:26.13 | MSG43 | thanks so much |
| 21:26.15 | Rubin | whats the best way to get java2 on a testing box? |
| 21:26.20 | greycat | Rubin: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:26.32 | Rubin | thanks |
| 21:26.32 | paulswm | MSG43: Just make sure you install sarge ('testing'), *not* woody (stable) and *definitely* not sid (unstable) |
| 21:26.41 | paulswm | crap |
| 21:26.52 | paulswm | Ah well |
| 21:27.19 | infodroid | greycat: thats about the 100th time today, should it be in topic? |
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| 21:27.39 | greycat | infodroid: hmm. |
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| 21:27.57 | *** topic/#Debian by greycat -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java |
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| 21:28.09 | MrFreeze^ | hi |
| 21:28.12 | calljair | hello guys, I am trying to add a PPD file to the cups system on my debian laptop |
| 21:28.24 | calljair | I have a dell laser printer and it have a duplex feature |
| 21:28.33 | watchdog | hello ! I'm looking for a converter from MacRoman to iso8859-1 |
| 21:28.34 | slackd0Od | no point putting it in opic....no one reads it anyway |
| 21:28.38 | slackd0Od | topic |
| 21:28.39 | stew | i actually wonder if the Sarge Base+Standard frozen is helping anyone |
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| 21:28.41 | calljair | but in order to use this features I need to use the PPD postscript |
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| 21:28.59 | calljair | anyone can help me with this? |
| 21:29.10 | macondo | i just installed the kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 and it exist in the grub.menu.lst but not in the boot menu at boot time, any clue? |
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| 21:29.12 | calljair | I have already the ppd file downloaded |
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| 21:29.32 | pack | call are you using cups? |
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| 21:29.33 | slackd0Od | calljair: did you apt-get the foomatic-db? |
| 21:29.36 | calljair | the thing is that I do not have idea of how to install it or added to the laptop\ |
| 21:29.44 | infodroid | macondo: did you run 'update-grub' after you modified the file? |
| 21:30.04 | MrFreeze^ | i've installed a new kernel on my old debian woody with apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-k6 but on load, the prompt says Unable tu mount root.. kernel panic :s I'm booting on the rescue floppy disk but my lilo.con = root=/dev/hda1 |
| 21:30.08 | macondo | infodroid, yup |
| 21:30.12 | calljair | slackd0Od, I found the file is : Dell-M5200-postscript.ppd |
| 21:30.19 | setupuser | how can i change my screen settings ? |
| 21:30.24 | calljair | slackd0Od, I donwloaded it is a script file |
| 21:30.32 | drac | setupuser: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:30.36 | drac | setupuser: as root |
| 21:30.40 | setupuser | thx drac |
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| 21:30.43 | pack | setupuser: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xrandr |
| 21:30.44 | paulswm | OT, but somehow allegorical I think: Two aviation definitions: 1. An extended descending turn is called a "spiral". 2. An extended spiral is called a "crash". |
| 21:30.45 | macondo | infodroid, i should mention that this is on my slave drive |
| 21:30.47 | MrFreeze^ | what's up in my lilo.conf ? :s |
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| 21:30.52 | calljair | slackd0Od, now I don't know where to add this file? |
| 21:31.04 | Gh0sty | goodevening |
| 21:31.19 | paulswm | MrFreeze^: do you have an initrd entry for that kernel in your lilo.conf? |
| 21:31.20 | HanClinto | Gh0sty: evenin'. :) |
| 21:31.44 | slackd0Od | calljair: apt-get foomatic-db-hpijs then it will download and install all the ppd and you can select it that way...makes it alot easier |
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| 21:32.09 | Gh0sty | got a simple question: why doesn't sftp work on sarge? seems it works with my sid and woody but not sarge, ssh works however and the configs are identical |
| 21:32.09 | MrFreeze^ | paulswm no, just image=/vmlinuz |
| 21:32.11 | calljair | slackd0Od, ok |
| 21:32.12 | calljair | cool |
| 21:32.17 | calljair | i will do that |
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| 21:32.33 | MrFreeze^ | i add a line in lilo.conf with initrd ? |
| 21:32.43 | chealer | calljair: otherwise, /etc/cups/ppd/ |
| 21:33.02 | calljair | slackd0Od, it will be: apt-get install foomatic-db-hpijs |
| 21:33.03 | infodroid | macondo: check your "# groot" line and your "# kopt" line |
| 21:33.16 | calljair | chealer, cool I will check that too. |
| 21:33.39 | macondo | infodroid, what should i look for? |
| 21:33.54 | calljair | chealer, will be add that file the dell-M5200...PPd on the directory /etc/cups/ppd/? |
| 21:34.25 | harryvv | I know its possible to lookup permissions for directories or files but what about what permissions a user has for what directories? |
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| 21:34.40 | harryvv | what command can i use to lookup user persmissions? |
| 21:34.52 | vulture | harryvv: ls -l perhaps.. |
| 21:34.55 | Cueball_Laptop | How do you change keyboard map for console? |
| 21:35.24 | brayra | I upgraded my box from kernel-2.4 to 2.6. However I have SATA drives. The original testing kernel assigned the drive to /dev/hda now after the upgrade it's /dev/sda. If I install a new kernel it resets grub. How do I fix grub to default to sda? |
| 21:35.26 | infodroid | macondo: check they're correct |
| 21:35.32 | chealer | calljair: I've never done this manually. it may be /usr/share/cups/model/ too |
| 21:35.41 | jharrisonwk | is there a way to see what the source file of a hard link is? |
| 21:35.42 | harryvv | vulture no that only show persmission on file and directories. I want to see what persmission a user has against a set of directories |
| 21:36.05 | calljair | chealer, but the command apt-get install foomatic-db-hpijs do not work? |
| 21:36.13 | macondo | infodroid, they are |
| 21:36.17 | valdyn | jharrisonwk: ehem? a hard link and its "source" are equivalent or exchangable |
| 21:36.17 | suncomet | i'm trying to setup another internet connection via another ethernet card of mine, but when i try ifup eth0 i can't ping to anywhere any more, not even with -I eth1 works, how i should setup multiple ethernet multiple internet connection? |
| 21:36.19 | calljair | chealer, but the command apt-get install "foomatic-db-hpijs do not work" is not working |
| 21:36.20 | vulture | harryvv: I don't understand your question. |
| 21:36.23 | calljair | not found |
| 21:36.49 | chealer | calljair: try "apt-get install foomatic-db-hpijs" |
| 21:36.51 | scatterp | a friend was helping me and did something to my linux it wont boot and when i try resuce root=/dev/hda3 it still fails i booted another os and mounted /dev/hda3 the guy was playing with lilo and grub what should i do |
| 21:36.51 | harryvv | vulture, say i say a command username it spits out all permissions it has against all directories. |
| 21:36.52 | scatterp | ? |
| 21:37.02 | harryvv | against that user. |
| 21:37.06 | infodroid | macondo: is your kernel listed after the line: ## ## End Default Options... |
| 21:37.16 | calljair | chealer, ok |
| 21:37.16 | vulture | harryvv: ls -lR / - enjoy the scrolling. |
| 21:37.19 | HanClinto | Gh0st: Did anyone answer your question? I don't have a solution for you -- sorry |
| 21:37.20 | chealer | calljair: that will help you *if* your printer's recommended driver is HPIJS |
| 21:37.26 | macondo | infodroid, yes, it's the first one |
| 21:37.28 | harryvv | vulture no thats not it. |
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| 21:37.41 | jharrisonwk | valdyn: what I mean is if there is a file "foo" and you create a hard link to it called "bar" if you do an ls -l bar it will not show you the source file as a symlink would |
| 21:37.42 | vulture | harryvv: you want to know all directories the user owns, and what permissions they have? |
| 21:37.43 | infodroid | macondo: run 'update-grub', reboot and if it isn't there then we will have a problem |
| 21:37.53 | harryvv | yes |
| 21:37.56 | harryvv | against the user |
| 21:38.04 | macondo | infodroid, ok, pal, thanks |
| 21:38.14 | calljair | chealer, I have it already in the system. |
| 21:38.18 | valdyn | jharrisonwk: it cant, a hardlink is the same as a file, just creating it is whats different. So once its created theres not really a way to tell which is the original |
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| 21:38.27 | paulswm | MrFreeze^: There should be an initrd line pointing to the inird which came with the kernel, then rerun lilo |
| 21:38.29 | calljair | chealer, my printer is dell |
| 21:38.34 | calljair | Dell printer |
| 21:38.48 | chealer | calljair: linuxprinting.org should help you figure out what driver is recommended |
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| 21:39.08 | vulture | harryvv: I don't undestand what you mean by "against the user", and I don't think there's any "better" way than to ls -lR and grep that to find entries with the user in question as the owner |
| 21:39.21 | scatterp | a friend was helping me and did something to my linux it wont boot and when i try resuce root=/dev/hda3 it still fails i booted another os and mounted /dev/hda3 the guy was playing with lilo and grub what should i do |
| 21:39.32 | calljair | chealer, I already find the recommende driver |
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| 21:39.48 | Xemacs_ | why is sarge not gettining new kernel-images ? a pointer is fine also ? |
| 21:39.52 | calljair | chealer, it is Dell-M5200-postscript.PPD |
| 21:40.03 | thomas_adam | Xemacs_: You mean like &kernel? |
| 21:40.04 | calljair | chealer, I downloaded from "linuxprinting" |
| 21:40.14 | calljair | chealer, now it is a file |
| 21:40.20 | streuner___ | Xemacs_: /msg dpkg kernel avail |
| 21:40.24 | calljair | chealer, extension .ppd |
| 21:40.41 | calljair | chealer, and I don't know what to do with it? :( |
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| 21:41.06 | stew | Xemacs_: becuase they decided to freeze on 2.6.8, but its being debated again read the latest dwn |
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| 21:41.20 | jharrisonwk | valdyn: ok thanks |
| 21:41.49 | Xemacs_ | 2.6.10 i386 has been in Sid for a while, I would like to see why its not getting into Sarge |
| 21:42.03 | chealer | calljair: I don't know much about printing, but according to http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Dell-M5200 this isn't a HPIJS-backended printer. foomatic-db-hpijs won't help |
| 21:42.06 | valdyn | jharrisonwk: maybe you can somehow search your filesystem on "which file points to the same structure as this one", i dont know how |
| 21:42.20 | chealer | Xemacs_: because 2.6.8 will be Sarge's 2.6 kernel |
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| 21:42.24 | stew | Xemacs_: read the dwn |
| 21:42.25 | Xemacs_ | dwn ? |
| 21:42.29 | stew | !dwn |
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| 21:42.42 | calljair | chealer, that is what I am telling you |
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| 21:42.46 | calljair | daaa |
| 21:42.47 | calljair | ok |
| 21:42.48 | tuxy17 | how to Unstop (continue) jobs |
| 21:42.50 | tuxy17 | ? |
| 21:42.51 | calljair | thank you anyway |
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| 21:43.03 | chealer | calljair: postscript printers should be easy to setup |
| 21:43.03 | jharrisonwk | valdyn: like according to inode or something? |
| 21:43.07 | Xemacs_ | thnx |
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| 21:43.11 | valdyn | jharrisonwk: yea |
| 21:43.15 | paulswm | tuxy17: did you stop it with ctrl-Z |
| 21:43.17 | chealer | calljair: put the file at both locations to be sure |
| 21:43.23 | calljair | anyone here that can help me with the postscript Dell- laser printer. |
| 21:43.26 | chealer | calljair: do you use a DE? |
| 21:43.32 | tuxy17 | paulswm, yeap |
| 21:43.33 | calljair | Dell |
| 21:43.37 | calljair | chealer, Dell |
| 21:43.37 | paulswm | tuxy17: 'fg' |
| 21:43.50 | scatterp | a friend was helping me and did something to my linux it wont boot and when i try resuce root=/dev/hda3 it still fails i booted another os and mounted /dev/hda3 the guy was playing with lilo and grub what should i do |
| 21:43.50 | tuxy17 | paulswm, fg PID ? |
| 21:43.55 | chealer | calljair: do you use a Desktop Environment, such as KDE? |
| 21:44.09 | paulswm | tuxy17: no, just 'fg' in the term where you stopped it |
| 21:44.26 | paulswm | tuxy17: or 'bg' if you want it running in the background |
| 21:44.29 | tuxy17 | paulswm, perfect it worked. thanks |
| 21:44.41 | paulswm | tuxy17: my pleasure |
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| 21:45.29 | infodroid | calljair: is this any help http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-cups |
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| 21:45.42 | tuxy17 | paulswm, do you know what to do after a CTRL-s in a console ? |
| 21:45.49 | paulswm | tuxy17: If you want to background a job, just ctrl-Z and then 'bg'. If you want to bring a job from the backgound to the foreground, then 'fg'. Its a simple and useful set of commands |
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| 21:46.18 | paulswm | tuxy17: ctrl-s again |
| 21:46.19 | tuxy17 | yeap :) |
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| 21:46.38 | paulswm | tuxy17: or ctrl-r, either |
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| 21:48.42 | tuxy17 | or seems ctrl-Q as well :) |
| 21:49.05 | ribnitz | should I feel bad about burning data to a dvd? |
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| 21:49.14 | calljair | chealer, yes KDE |
| 21:49.14 | paulswm | OT quote of the week (IMO): "I'm a WASP. Ignoring the elephant in the room is what we do best." |
| 21:49.48 | cthulfuego | ribnitz: Yes, it's disgraceful. |
| 21:49.52 | chealer | calljair: once you copied your file to the two directories, try seting up your printer with kdeprint |
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| 21:50.43 | calljair | chealer, that is exacly I did |
| 21:50.47 | scatterp | a friend was helping me and did something to my linux it wont boot and when i try resuce root=/dev/hda3 it still fails i booted another os and mounted /dev/hda3 the guy was playing with lilo and grub what should i do |
| 21:50.50 | calljair | I will try to print again now |
| 21:50.51 | schneiderj | I have just installed the Sarge distrib instead of the woodo. But how can I config Xorg ? |
| 21:50.52 | paulswm | tuxy17: Try 'em all, find out what they do, heh (just as you don't have one mapped to 'sudo rm -fr /lib' or something) |
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| 21:51.20 | cthulfuego | schneiderj: Sarge doesn't have Xorg. |
| 21:51.20 | tuxy17 | :) |
| 21:51.20 | chealer | calljair: choose add printer, CUPS, and check "postscript printer". I think that should do it. (but never did myself) |
| 21:51.28 | Jimie- | Does anyone have a little script to put in /etc/motd who print the $uptime of the PC when loggin in ? |
| 21:51.28 | ribnitz | schneiderj: we dont do voodoo... |
| 21:51.42 | cthulfuego | schneiderj: You configure it's X with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 21:51.47 | ribnitz | Jimie-: thats default, I think |
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| 21:52.01 | calljair | chealer, yes it was the postscript there ;) |
| 21:52.06 | J_1 | people, how I kil one zumbi process ? I try kill -9 ID. But zumbi process still are in top.. |
| 21:52.08 | calljair | I will check if is working |
| 21:52.15 | stew | J_1: /msg dpkg zombie |
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| 21:52.28 | redstar | how can I check which processes have open files on a given partition? |
| 21:52.31 | ribnitz | J_1: you casnt kill a zombie |
| 21:52.33 | cthulfuego | J_1: Kill its parent process. |
| 21:52.39 | redstar | I am trying to unmount it, and it is in use |
| 21:52.52 | stew | redstar: lsof, fuser |
| 21:52.57 | cthulfuego | redstar: 'lsof'. Also make sure you're not cd's onto that partition. |
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| 21:53.27 | redstar | stew: thanks :) |
| 21:53.37 | redstar | cthulfuego: thanks :) |
| 21:53.38 | schneiderj | but it is not installed... |
| 21:53.43 | distempr | ribnitz: I dew vewdew! |
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| 21:54.10 | stew | schneiderj: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 21:55.05 | ribnitz | distempr: eye have a spell checker? |
| 21:55.05 | schneiderj | just a question : what did you mean with /msg, is it a repertoire |
| 21:55.21 | chealer | !umount |
| 21:55.22 | dpkg | i guess umount is "device is busy errors"? try fuser -km <mount point> and then umount... |
| 21:55.35 | chealer | ^^ isn't -k a little rude? |
| 21:55.46 | J_1 | i see, cannot kill... |
| 21:55.59 | alfatau | hi, i have a yahoo mail account, and i want to send/receive mails from command line using yahoo's smtp/pop3 servers. how can i do? i tried eximconfig, but i can't understand what may i configure to get mail working. can u help me? |
| 21:56.09 | Lynoure | "cannot kill it, cannot live with it"? =) |
| 21:56.13 | stew | schneiderj: dpkg is a bot, if you type that (/msg dpkg...) in your irc client it will tell you good things |
| 21:56.20 | PerfDave | alfatau: To download mail from a pop3 server, use fetchmail. |
| 21:56.31 | cthulfuego | Sheesh, *another* pgsql vulnerability... |
| 21:56.32 | PerfDave | alfatau: Or use a mail client which supports pop3 directly like Thunderbird. |
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| 21:56.55 | schneiderj | I am on windows with my iRC client ... Linux is on an other machine |
| 21:57.07 | cthulfuego | alfatau: specifically, exim is a mail *server* not as mail *client* |
| 21:57.12 | PerfDave | !tell schneiderj about msgdpkg |
| 21:57.15 | J_1 | here i2oevtd go to zumbi mode after S20sendsigs(in rc0). then cannot umoun file system becouse are busy... by i2oevtd |
| 21:57.15 | alfatau | PerfDave: i need command line because i have to send mails into a bash script |
| 21:57.16 | jstevens | alfatau: evolution would be a good option |
| 21:57.17 | scatterp | a friend was helping me and did something to my linux it wont boot and when i try resuce root=/dev/hda3 it still fails i booted another os and mounted /dev/hda3 the guy was playing with lilo and grub what should i do |
| 21:57.19 | J_1 | have anyone solution.. |
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| 21:57.24 | J_1 | parent of i2oevtd is bash! |
| 21:57.38 | alfatau | jstevens: i need command line because i have to send mails into a bash script |
| 21:57.43 | PerfDave | alfatau: If you use fetchmail, it will download to your local mailspool where you can check it with a program like mutt |
| 21:57.49 | infodroid | scatterp: you can't possiblu be using both grub and lilo |
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| 21:58.09 | jstevens | alfatau: I saw after I sent that... I was aboutto reccomend what PerfDave said.. |
| 21:58.22 | scatterp | infodroid i dunno what he did it wont boot |
| 21:58.25 | PerfDave | alfatau: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:58.28 | OhMyAchinLap | alfatau, mutt is a popular command line client |
| 21:58.28 | alfatau | cthulfuego: i'm sorry, but i'm a newbie. which client could is good for my use? |
| 21:58.32 | PerfDave | alfatau: What is this bash script? |
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| 21:59.21 | chealer | cthulfuego: hehe, "Several buffer overflows"... I thought pgsql was very reliable |
| 21:59.33 | infodroid | scatterp: you should find out whether your system used grub or lilo. if you installed sarge from the debian-installer, you would be using grub. though you should probably find out. |
| 21:59.34 | PerfDave | reliable != secure, necessarily. |
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| 22:00.22 | alfatau | PerfDave: i have to create some scritps which alerts me and my friends when happens some conditions (few free space... ping fails etc...) |
| 22:00.31 | scatterp | infodroid i am on sarge netinstall version and i think now its trying to use lilo |
| 22:00.45 | paulswm | alfatau: 'mail' is maybe what you need. |
| 22:00.54 | PerfDave | alfatau: Can't nagios or some other package do that for you? |
| 22:00.54 | infodroid | scatterp: find out whether there is grub or lilo installed! |
| 22:01.03 | Xemacs_ | alfatau, PerfDave yahoo makes you pay for pop3 acess, there is perlscript fetcyahoo that fakes web brower and harvest mail for you |
| 22:01.12 | scatterp | infodroid ok rebooting |
| 22:01.17 | stew | Xemacs_: they don't make you pay in most countries |
| 22:01.17 | PerfDave | alfatau: What are you trying to do? Send mail *from* your Debian box *to* your Yahoo! account? |
| 22:01.23 | CrypticSquared | what locales should i choose for australia? |
| 22:01.29 | alfatau | paulswm: ok, but how to configure smtp server with 'mail'? i can only send local mails :( |
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| 22:01.51 | maketo | is there a way to attach a file to an email from the command line? |
| 22:01.58 | PerfDave | maketo: mutt |
| 22:02.01 | stew | Xemacs_: you can sign up for a free yahoo pop account at yahoo.fr |
| 22:02.05 | cthulfuego | maketo: Yep. See 'mpack' and/or 'uuencode' |
| 22:02.20 | Xemacs_ | stew thnx |
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| 22:02.22 | maketo | thanks |
| 22:02.29 | alfatau | PerfDave: send a typical email, as you usually do with thunderbird. i have to send a mail using a yahoo acc |
| 22:02.34 | PerfDave | alfatau: You configure exim properly, to relay external mail to your ISP's SMTP servers. |
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| 22:02.50 | PerfDave | alfatau: You're sending this mail to where? Why do you have to use this yahoo account? |
| 22:02.53 | gartt | Why isn't there ufs for linux? |
| 22:03.15 | ribnitz | gartt: there is. |
| 22:03.23 | alfatau | PerfDave: send a typical email, as you usually do with thunderbird. i have to send a mail (using a yahoo account) to another person (which mail could be another @yahoo one) |
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| 22:03.28 | ribnitz | gartt: at least on the sun part. |
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| 22:03.49 | gartt | ribnitz: Why isn't ufs more common? I'm not trolling, but I thought there was a lot to be said for it? |
| 22:03.53 | PerfDave | alfatau: Why do you have to use this yahoo account? You can send an e-mail with a From: address of your yahoo account from anywhere. |
| 22:03.57 | scatterp | infodroid its lilo and he installed anew kernel linux-2.6.10 (i also have a linux cd koppernix style called audior that i can mount the drive from) |
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| 22:04.10 | alfatau | PerfDave: because i think to not be able to configure a mail server on my linux box, because i'm a newbie |
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| 22:04.30 | ribnitz | gartt: From what I have seen XFS and JFS look superior, at least as to error-handling. |
| 22:04.39 | PerfDave | alfatau: What are you talking about? To send e-mail, you need to configure your local mail server. Configuring exim is bloody easy. |
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| 22:04.50 | PerfDave | alfatau: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 22:04.57 | alfatau | woody |
| 22:05.04 | alfatau | PerfDave: woody |
| 22:05.06 | PerfDave | alfatau: Then run /sbin/eximconfig |
| 22:05.13 | scatterp | infodroid the error says vfs: cannot open root device "303" or unknown-block(3,3) please append a corect root=" boot option |
| 22:05.14 | infodroid | scatterp: fix your /etc/lilo.conf, chroot into your root, and run 'lilo' to fix your mbr |
| 22:05.31 | ribnitz | gartt: and I use XYZ-FS does not make a good flamewar. |
| 22:05.39 | scatterp | infodroid and the lilo.conf looks right to me i dont see a problem with it i cant boot rescue either |
| 22:05.53 | stew | scatterp: you are probably missing the initrd |
| 22:05.57 | infodroid | scatterp: seems like your root= line is incorrect |
| 22:06.01 | alfatau | PerfDave: i did, but i didn't see the smtp server request (i tried 1. and 2. choiches) |
| 22:06.02 | scatterp | infodroid its set to root= /dev/hda3 thats the correct drive |
| 22:06.13 | PerfDave | alfatau: Then do it again, and read what your options are. |
| 22:06.17 | scatterp | stew how do i tell if thats the case ? |
| 22:06.19 | stego | Is there anyway to get more detailed info on why apt-get --purge remove 'firestarter' is failing? So far I get " subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1". |
| 22:06.20 | PerfDave | alfatau: It's not difficult |
| 22:06.45 | infodroid | scatterp: i forgot all about lilo, try man lilo.conf |
| 22:06.45 | stew | scatterp: you got this kernel via apt-get? |
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| 22:06.46 | ribnitz | stego: farther up. |
| 22:06.51 | alfatau | PerfDave: ok |
| 22:07.20 | stego | ribnitz, the only line farther up is "dpkg: error processing firestarter (--purge):". |
| 22:07.23 | stew | scatterp: if so you need to specify a initrd=/boot/initrd-2.6.10.img or whatever line in the stanza for the default kernel |
| 22:07.43 | alfatau | PerfDave: i pressed return, then i choosed 1. is it correct? or may i choose another one option? |
| 22:07.48 | ribnitz | stego no idea then. |
| 22:07.49 | infodroid | scatterp: yea, what stew said. also you need to run 'lilo' for any changes to take effect. |
| 22:07.57 | scatterp | stew it has that line above it i can boot audior and use cgi irc to come here and paste the lilo |
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| 22:08.22 | PerfDave | alfatau: CHOOSE THE OPTION THAT YOU NEED TO RELAY YOUR MAIL THROUGH YOUR ISP'S SMTP SERVER |
| 22:08.26 | scatterp | infodroid where would i do that ? |
| 22:08.36 | suncomet | why it's that i lose connection to eth1 when i ifup eth0, just when i ifup eth0 i can't anymore e.g. ping google.com? |
| 22:08.41 | ribnitz | PerfDave: dont yell.. |
| 22:08.56 | PerfDave | ribnitz: Fuck off |
| 22:08.56 | infodroid | scatterp: you need to use a rescue cd to chroot into your system and then once you are chrooted you run 'lilo' |
| 22:08.58 | scatterp | infodroid i assume thats been done becase its not booting and now it says lilo |
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| 22:09.12 | infodroid | scatterp: no don't assume its been done |
| 22:09.13 | scatterp | infodroid ive been trying it wont mount the drive |
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| 22:09.24 | xlulux | hey guys i have a debian box set up and i want to set up /etc/hostname but i dont have a domain so what should i edit to be like? |
| 22:09.28 | scatterp | it says some crap about msdos and fat |
| 22:09.34 | scatterp | idimmu it says some crap about msdos and fat |
| 22:09.41 | scatterp | *infodroid it says some crap about msdos and fat |
| 22:09.43 | xlulux | 192.168.0.10mybox.mydomain.commybox <---- could i do that without the domain part? |
| 22:09.48 | PerfDave | xlulux: Whatever you want, so long as it isn't a publically routable domain. "mynetwork" or "iamagoatrapist" or something |
| 22:09.54 | cthulfuego | !vagueness |
| 22:09.55 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 22:10.07 | alfatau | PerfDave: i'm sorry, but every options seems wrong: the first one if i send/receive through a SMTP server, but i only send through a SMTP server and i receive from a POP3 one |
| 22:10.14 | infodroid | scatterp: i've got to go yeah !vagueness is where its at |
| 22:10.14 | PerfDave | xlulux: /etc/hostname should just contain the hostname. |
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| 22:10.50 | alfatau | PerfDave: the second one talks about a smarthost, which i never herd before |
| 22:10.53 | scatterp | stew can you help me with it ? |
| 22:10.53 | PerfDave | alfatau: I don't have a Woody box handy to walk you through this, but it's possible to do what you want, because I've done it. |
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| 22:11.08 | cthulfuego | alfatau: A smarthost would be your ISPs mail server. |
| 22:11.15 | PerfDave | alfatau: A smarthost is an external SMTP server through which your mail is relayed, which is what you want. |
| 22:11.18 | OvrLrd-Q | anybody know how to fix that stupid annoying 'bug' in nano where it complains about the numlock error? |
| 22:11.31 | maketo | is there a way to send email using another smtp host from the command line? |
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| 22:11.46 | cthulfuego | OvrLrd-Q: apt-get install vim nano-; ln -sf /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/nano |
| 22:11.58 | alfatau | PerfDave: ok, so i will choose 2. |
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| 22:12.08 | OvrLrd-Q | erm negative |
| 22:12.10 | PerfDave | maketo: Why do you want to do this? |
| 22:12.26 | cthulfuego | OvrLrd-Q: Uh, yes, that *does* fix annoying nano bugs ;-) |
| 22:12.28 | OvrLrd-Q | vim will not pollute my box |
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| 22:12.30 | OvrLrd-Q | :) |
| 22:12.32 | maketo | PerfDave : we are behind a firewall on a client's box and that's the onily way to do it ;( |
| 22:12.43 | pen | What is the easiest way to copy a directory and everything under it on the command line? |
| 22:12.43 | PerfDave | maketo: Eh? |
| 22:12.43 | cthulfuego | try 'joe' or 'jed' |
| 22:12.50 | PerfDave | pen: man cp |
| 22:12.52 | cthulfuego | PerfDave: man cp, see '-a' |
| 22:12.59 | cthulfuego | Bah. |
| 22:13.11 | maketo | PerfDave: it's a complicated story |
| 22:13.39 | PerfDave | maketo: So how come this firewall lets your command-line script access external SMTP servers, but your MTA can't access them? |
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| 22:13.46 | stew | scatterp: you got this kernel via apt-get? |
| 22:13.57 | scatterp | no |
| 22:13.59 | scatterp | wget |
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| 22:14.02 | xlulux | i meant /etc/hosts |
| 22:14.03 | maketo | PerfDave: it's not an externam smtp, it is their own on another box |
| 22:14.08 | alfatau | PerfDave: then i need to type the `visible' mail name of system, and the default choice is my hostname. so i though i have to put in my email address, but it's incompatible to RFC1035's requirements. |
| 22:14.10 | xlulux | what should i put in there if i dont have a domain / |
| 22:14.12 | OvrLrd-Q | cthulfuego: nm :) |
| 22:14.13 | cthulfuego | PerfDave: Maybe he was smart enough to DENY for --uid-owner 0 |
| 22:14.19 | OvrLrd-Q | fixed it :D |
| 22:14.31 | PerfDave | cthulfuego: Isn't mail relaying done as user mail, not root? |
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| 22:14.40 | stew | scatterp: it was a debian pacakge or you compiled it yourself? |
| 22:14.45 | PerfDave | alfatau: Yes, the visible mail name of a system is not an e-mail address. |
| 22:14.49 | cthulfuego | PerfDave: Not it the source port is 25. |
| 22:14.51 | varese | hey everyone.. i have a quick (I think) question |
| 22:14.53 | cthulfuego | s/it/if/ |
| 22:14.55 | PerfDave | cthulfuego: Point. |
| 22:15.07 | varese | we have a debian stable box here |
| 22:15.07 | scatterp | it was compiled i dont know linux to good i was screened to the other guy who did it |
| 22:15.15 | PerfDave | cthulfuego: I dunno. Can't you bind the socket as root, drop privs to mail? |
| 22:15.15 | varese | i keep it fed and watered with apt-get |
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| 22:15.31 | cthulfuego | PerfDave: Perhaps.. never checked. |
| 22:15.32 | stew | scatterp: then you didn't compile in all the modules for your filesystem and your disk controller, |
| 22:15.33 | varese | i guess i'll wait 'til it's less busy here! |
| 22:15.52 | scatterp | hmm |
| 22:15.53 | ribnitz | varese: it never is |
| 22:15.58 | stew | scatterp: everything you need to mount the root filesystem (ide drivers/filesystem drivers) must be compiled into the kenrel, not as modules |
| 22:15.59 | Ronin | varese: never slows down here |
| 22:16.00 | varese | yeah! |
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| 22:16.02 | varese | it seems like it! |
| 22:16.03 | alfatau | PerfDave: is it the name which appears on the mail's receiver? |
| 22:16.08 | scatterp | stew so what should i do ? |
| 22:16.08 | varese | should I just charge ahead ribnits? |
| 22:16.10 | varese | ribnitz? |
| 22:16.29 | PerfDave | alfatau: It is the domain part which is automatically added to mails, on the From line (as opposed to the From: line) |
| 22:16.31 | stew | scatterp: make menuconfig, change those options, then recompile |
| 22:16.36 | stew | scatterp: what version of debian is this? |
| 22:16.41 | scatterp | stew from where ? |
| 22:16.51 | stew | scatterp: the kernel source directory |
| 22:17.13 | scatterp | stew well it was the net install sarge one and the new kernel was put in |
| 22:17.21 | scatterp | stew i mean how do you want me to bootup |
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| 22:17.36 | cthulfuego | Aaah! Live on the wild side! |
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| 22:17.55 | ncsu | is there a program to see what kind of RAM I have without opening my computer |
| 22:17.57 | alfatau | PerfDave: so, for me, it is "yahoo.it"? |
| 22:18.01 | PerfDave | alfatau: No |
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| 22:18.11 | PerfDave | alfatau: It's the name of *YOUR* system, not Yahoo's. |
| 22:18.13 | alfatau | PerfDave: :( |
| 22:18.16 | stew | scatterp: is there a reason you are compiling a new kenrel and not just using apt-get? |
| 22:18.17 | cthulfuego | ncsu: Yes. Alternatively, what cpu do you have? |
| 22:18.34 | ncsu | 2.4 ghz p4? |
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| 22:18.53 | schneiderj | I am doing the installation of Sarge with the NetInst. How can I continu to install my systeme with dinstall |
| 22:18.54 | BucWheat | i want to install only the bare essentials for sarge and then apt-get programs as i need them. how do i do this as debian installer doesn't have this option |
| 22:18.59 | scatterp | stew probebly i didnt do it i screened my friend doing it i presume it relates to installing my intel pro wireless 2100 card |
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| 22:19.06 | cthulfuego | ncsu: That's be DDR333 then. |
| 22:19.15 | cthulfuego | ncsu: *mayve* DDR400, but probably 333. |
| 22:19.31 | ncsu | would either of those be specific to Dell |
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| 22:19.39 | alfatau | PerfDave: ok, but who can be interested in the name of my system when reading the mail i sent? |
| 22:19.47 | resiak | BucWheat: Yes, it does. Just pick no tasks. |
| 22:19.48 | cthulfuego | ncsu: No. |
| 22:19.54 | grendal_prime | grerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 22:19.59 | ncsu | ok, thanks |
| 22:20.06 | grendal_prime | this has to be possible...passing sed command via a macro |
| 22:20.12 | grendal_prime | in openoffice |
| 22:20.13 | cthulfuego | ncsu: If it's a dell there's a vanishinly small chance you have PC800 RAMBUS ram, in which case you need to cry. |
| 22:20.15 | BucWheat | resiak where is that option at? |
| 22:20.24 | grendal_prime | #openoffice.org they are clueless |
| 22:20.33 | stew | scatterp: you need to go back to the kernel source directory, make menuconfig, include the drivers for your filesystem and drive controller, then rebuild the kernel (hopefully he used make-kpkg), if you don't know how to do this, get your friend back |
| 22:20.36 | resiak | BucWheat: For smeg's sake... After the reboot, when you're booted into the system, just tell it you don't want anything. |
| 22:21.00 | ncsu | hmm, i'm going to buy some more and i'd really rather be sure, what program would check? |
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| 22:21.17 | schneiderj | deos I chose the stale versionor the testing one |
| 22:21.19 | scatterp | stew what i am saying is how do you want me to get to a command prompt if it wont mount the root partion should i do it from a seprate os ? |
| 22:21.20 | BucWheat | resiak during the install or what? |
| 22:21.28 | PerfDave | alfatau: Uhm, the enire Internet |
| 22:21.30 | resiak | BucWheat: Have you ever installed Sarge before? |
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| 22:21.46 | PerfDave | alfatau: If your e-mail bounces, remote servers need to know where to bounec it to, for example. |
| 22:21.48 | BucWheat | resiak yea numerous times. i'm running it on 2 boxes now |
| 22:21.57 | BucWheat | resiak and i'm about to reinstall it on my 2nd workstation |
| 22:22.06 | stew | scatterp: can you boot to the old kernel image? |
| 22:22.10 | cthulfuego | Ok. gcc 4.0 and 2.6.11-rc4 are not friends. |
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| 22:22.15 | resiak | BucWheat: Then... tell me you remember the part when it asks you what packages you want? Or what tasks you want? or whatever. Anyway, just tell it none. It's really not hard. |
| 22:22.24 | scatterp | stew no so far i only succeed to boot auditor from cd |
| 22:22.46 | BucWheat | resiak k. i seriously do not remember the "none" option but i'll look more carefully this time around. |
| 22:22.46 | stew | scatterp: what happens when you try to boot the old kernel? |
| 22:22.49 | ncsu | cthulfuego, do you know something that will check my ram? |
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| 22:23.02 | alfatau | PerfDave: ah ok... i'm slowly understanding......... please be patient :) |
| 22:23.14 | akiam | can help me? when ./configure ApacheJServ .. say cold not find apxs.. |
| 22:23.31 | resiak | BucWheat: I don't remember an explicit "NONE" option either, but there's a page where you pick groups of packages -- remember? |
| 22:23.45 | BucWheat | resiak with aptitude ? |
| 22:23.52 | BucWheat | or something like that |
| 22:23.55 | stew | scatterp: or whatever, boot whichever, get to a command prompt, mount your rootfs, chroot to it, then go to the kernel source dir, and do the stuff i said above |
| 22:23.58 | resiak | BucWheat: I can't remember. |
| 22:24.11 | BucWheat | resiak k. i think you are talking about "manually select packages" |
| 22:24.20 | resiak | BucWheat: No, I'm not. |
| 22:24.33 | resiak | BucWheat: I'm talking about "choose from common tasks" or whatever, and just not choosing any. |
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| 22:25.10 | BucWheat | resiak k. i gotcha. |
| 22:25.25 | neemz | Hi I want to install debian over the net but I only have a floppy drive as the means of starting the install |
| 22:25.41 | neemz | but my net is using a USB cable modem |
| 22:25.46 | mrwoody | how to know what is the filesystem of a partition without being root? |
| 22:25.50 | neemz | which requires CDCether I think |
| 22:25.55 | resiak | mrwoody: mount |
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| 22:25.59 | paulswm | mrwoody: 'mount' |
| 22:26.01 | resiak | mrwoody: Oh, an unmounted one? |
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| 22:26.05 | neemz | does debian have a boot floppy installer with cdcether in? |
| 22:26.08 | PerfDave | alfatau: http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html may help, particularly the section on "Envelope Sender" |
| 22:26.20 | alfatau | PerfDave: another option i don't know what to choose: - Obviously, any machines that use us as a smarthost have to be excluded |
| 22:26.20 | alfatau | from the relaying controls, as using us to relay mail for them is the |
| 22:26.20 | alfatau | whole point. - |
| 22:26.28 | mrwoody | resiak: mounted... that is what I get: /dev/disk1s3 on /Volumes/hd2 (local, journaled) |
| 22:26.33 | bucky | akiam, which apache do you have 1 or 2 |
| 22:26.36 | resiak | mrwoody: That's NOT DEBIAN! |
| 22:26.38 | kernel2610 | Am trying to install debain. The same CD gives "kernel Panick - not syncing: attempted to kill init" once and Installs successfully next time.. Not sure what's going on.. I get this Kernel Panic after "Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0,..." |
| 22:26.52 | mrwoody | resiak: OSX |
| 22:26.55 | resiak | mrwoody: #osx |
| 22:26.59 | PerfDave | alfatau: Do you want any machines on your local network to use your box as a mail server? You probably just want to leave it blank. |
| 22:27.04 | resiak | mrwoody: What the fuck did you think asking on #debian would achieve? |
| 22:27.15 | akiam | bucky, 1 |
| 22:27.16 | alfatau | PerfDave: yes, of course |
| 22:27.17 | paulswm | Jeezus Criminy |
| 22:27.19 | resiak | mrwoody: Sorry, that language was uncalled for. |
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| 22:27.22 | mrwoody | resiak: cool down... I am writing from a debian machine |
| 22:27.39 | bucky | akiam, you need to apt-get install apache-dev |
| 22:27.44 | EvanCarroll | what is the X program to make keymapings |
| 22:27.46 | PerfDave | mrwoody: Your question wasn't about a Debian machine though, it was about an OS X machine. |
| 22:27.53 | EvanCarroll | xkbd or something |
| 22:27.58 | bucky | akiam, you need to apt-get install apache-dev dont msg me |
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| 22:28.13 | mrwoody | PerfDave: that is correct... but I thought someone knew about it... there is no #osx, as far as I know |
| 22:28.29 | PerfDave | mrwoody: I've got a Debian machine in the corner of my room. If I were asking questions about a non-Debian machine (not that I have any), I wouldn't ask on #debian just because I IRC from a Debian machine. |
| 22:28.31 | mrwoody | PerfDave: and anyway I am serious.. that partition is mounted via samba in my debian machine |
| 22:28.37 | akiam | bucky, ok I try it now thx a lot, and sorry about it |
| 22:28.42 | robin_sz | mrwoody: perhaps you can help me |
| 22:28.44 | scatterp | stew ok got it |
| 22:28.48 | mrwoody | robin_sz: ? |
| 22:28.48 | resiak | mrwoody: But we don't know how mount works on OSX. |
| 22:28.52 | PerfDave | mrwoody: Well, ask Apple's tech support. You paid for it. |
| 22:28.52 | hedonick | EvanCarroll: I think you might be looking for xkeycaps |
| 22:28.55 | robin_sz | mrwoody: I have a problem with my car |
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| 22:29.05 | cthulfuego | resiak: Luckily OSX has 'man mount'. |
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| 22:29.11 | alfatau | PerfDave: Which machine will act as the smarthost and handle outgoing mail? |
| 22:29.11 | paulswm | !prize robin_sz |
| 22:29.13 | PerfDave | cthulfuego: *fnarr* |
| 22:29.15 | EvanCarroll | hedonick: thanks |
| 22:29.18 | resiak | !robin_sz++ |
| 22:29.21 | PerfDave | alfatau: Your ISP's SMTP server. |
| 22:29.32 | mrwoody | PerfDave: I didn't pay anything... ok... this is a debian question. I used samba to mount a partition... now, I canot create links there... is there a way to do it |
| 22:29.47 | mrwoody | robin_sz: buy a new one |
| 22:29.55 | alfatau | PerfDave: so now i have to put smtp.yahoo.it ? |
| 22:29.58 | PerfDave | mrwoody: I don't think Samba supports links on mounted volumes. |
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| 22:30.05 | PerfDave | alfatau: No, put your ISP's SMTP server. |
| 22:30.10 | dg__marius | does somebody knows a good xploit for hotmail? |
| 22:30.15 | Last-try | Could I possibly get a little help with a screen resolution problem, I'm new and would only you-know what up |
| 22:30.16 | mrwoody | PerfDave: ok... so maybe it is a samba question, not an osx question |
| 22:30.18 | robin_sz | resiak: ta :) .. I trained on #london.pm |
| 22:30.24 | mrwoody | PerfDave: there is nothing similar to that? |
| 22:30.41 | PerfDave | mrwoody: Don't know. Ask #samba ;) |
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| 22:31.00 | mrwoody | PerfDave: that is pretty dead |
| 22:31.02 | Ronin | dg__marius: yes its called windows |
| 22:31.09 | PerfDave | mrwoody: That's not #debian's fault. |
| 22:31.11 | paulswm | Last-try: well ask, and we'll see if we can you-know-what it up for you :D |
| 22:31.18 | PerfDave | mrwoody: Try reading the Samba documentation? |
| 22:31.20 | cthulfuego | dg__marius: Wrong channel. |
| 22:31.42 | mrwoody | PerfDave: ok... never mind |
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| 22:32.03 | resiak | robin_sz: /me bows before a Perl superior from a Good Place. |
| 22:32.06 | PerfDave | mrwoody: I don't use Samba, I don't think it supports links. |
| 22:32.14 | PerfDave | resiak: #london.pm is a Good Place now? ;p |
| 22:32.17 | kernel2610 | Am trying to install debain. The same CD gives "kernel Panick - not syncing: attempted to kill init" once and Installs successfully next time.. Not sure what's going on.. I get this Kernel Panic after "Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0,..." |
| 22:32.24 | PerfDave | !debain |
| 22:32.24 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 22:32.39 | Last-try | well that was fun... |
| 22:32.42 | PerfDave | kernel2610: Which CD, which version of Debian, which SCSI disk? |
| 22:32.43 | resiak | PerfDave: London is :) |
| 22:32.50 | robin_sz | PerfDave: thats fighting talk ;) |
| 22:32.59 | alfatau | PerfDave: smtp.fastwebnet.it , is mine |
| 22:33.02 | dg__marius | and? nobody knows any xploit? ok thanx 4 all |
| 22:33.06 | PerfDave | alfatau: Then put that. |
| 22:33.13 | Benbread | Hey, just (re-)installed Debian 3.0rc3, base-config was messing me about, so i decided to manually install xfree86 and KDE, successfully installed, except i forgot to install fonts! Problem is, i cannot remember the names of the basic font packages X requires (apt-get used to prompt them, but no longer does) any help, please? :) |
| 22:33.13 | Last-try | Like Isaid before any help with a screen problem |
| 22:33.18 | alfatau | PerfDave: ok |
| 22:33.21 | PerfDave | resiak: No, London is a hive of scum and villany, exemplified by the London Perl mongers. The Oxford Perl mongers are by comparison gods among men. |
| 22:33.25 | mrwoody | PerfDave: this is a debian question: how to mount a partition via samba so that it would accept symbolic lynks |
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| 22:33.38 | paulswm | Last-try: Like I said before, Ask Your Question |
| 22:33.42 | Benbread | Last-try: whats the problem? |
| 22:33.55 | Last-try | sorry I got lost in cyber space.. |
| 22:34.01 | resiak | PerfDave: I really should partake in this Oxford Perl mongery. |
| 22:34.02 | PerfDave | mrwoody: I don't think that Samba supports symbolic links. Try asking on #samba or reading the Samba documentation if nobody here can help you. |
| 22:34.06 | kernel2610 | Perf: I get Kernel Panic message after "attached scsi disk.." We'll go for version CD,etc later.. |
| 22:34.09 | PerfDave | resiak: You should. We do sushi. |
| 22:34.16 | resiak | PerfDave: Ooooh! |
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| 22:34.19 | resiak | PerfDave: When next? |
| 22:34.27 | PerfDave | resiak: When somebody organises it. On a Thursday. |
| 22:34.31 | robin_sz | PerfDave: you forgot to mention the bit about being orange. not just scum, orange scum. |
| 22:34.32 | dg__marius | looooooooooooooooooooooosers! |
| 22:34.32 | joaopaulo | que fax modem é bom e barato e funciona no linux? |
| 22:34.33 | Last-try | My res is set to 600X800 and I know that it will work at 1024X768 it did under Debian 2.2 |
| 22:34.34 | PerfDave | kernel2610: No. |
| 22:34.37 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Only Leon. |
| 22:34.39 | Occulis | You can all come to Tokyohana in Houston for Sushi this thursday |
| 22:34.39 | joaopaulo | what fax modem is a good choice to buy to use on linux ? |
| 22:34.43 | PerfDave | kernel2610: Which CD, which version of Debian, which SCSI disk? |
| 22:34.44 | Occulis | I'm buyin! |
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| 22:34.48 | robin_sz | PerfDave: and greg |
| 22:34.48 | kernel2610 | Am trying to install debain. The same CD gives "kernel Panick - not syncing: attempted to kill init" once and Installs successfully next time.. Not sure what's going on.. I get this Kernel Panic after "Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0,..." |
| 22:34.52 | alfatau | PerfDave: ok, now i can try to send a mail to someone with 'mail' command |
| 22:34.55 | PerfDave | robin_sz: grep is orange too now? |
| 22:34.57 | resiak | !tell kernel2610 about repeat |
| 22:35.00 | PerfDave | alfatau: Yes, you can try. |
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| 22:35.05 | resiak | kernel2610: ANSWER THE SMEGGING QUESTIONS! |
| 22:35.11 | robin_sz | PerfDave: hes a protestant from NI |
| 22:35.15 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Point. |
| 22:35.21 | Last-try | But the only option it gives me know under 2.6 is 800x600 |
| 22:35.23 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Although he's more of an alkie from London ;) |
| 22:35.36 | ncsu | This probably comes up alot but im installing a lexmark z53 using cups but what do i put for Device: |
| 22:35.36 | robin_sz | PerfDave: ahh point |
| 22:35.39 | PerfDave | Last-try: Where are you getting these "options"? |
| 22:35.40 | alfatau | PerfDave: it didn't asked me for a password!?? |
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| 22:35.48 | PerfDave | alfatau: Why would it ask you for a password? |
| 22:35.59 | Benbread | Last-try: did you specify the correct video driver at install-time? |
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| 22:36.18 | resiak | kernel2610: We can't help without the information we ask for. |
| 22:36.23 | Last-try | yes a 3DFX or as it says TDFX |
| 22:36.30 | robin_sz | PerfDave: sadly I disgraced myself on there a few weeks ago by failing to turn up at Belgos and have been too embarrassed to grace the channel with my presence since then |
| 22:36.40 | Last-try | I set my default at 1024x768 too |
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| 22:36.46 | ncsu | I put location as /etc/lp0 so i guess thats right |
| 22:36.47 | Benbread | Last-try: used that same driver with Deb 2.2? |
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| 22:37.02 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Bah, I used to not turn up to London.pm events all the time, it never stopped me going on #london.pm. Marna banging on about FUCKING kittens all the FUCKING time did that. |
| 22:37.25 | PerfDave | Last-try: Where are you setting this default, and getting these options? |
| 22:37.28 | Benbread | any answers to _my_ question? :) |
| 22:37.29 | alfatau | PerfDave: connecting to smtp server, i use to put in a password.... why not now? |
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| 22:37.38 | PerfDave | alfatau: Which SMTP server? |
| 22:37.50 | robin_sz | PerfDave: ahh, shes quiet on that now, but we have .. hmm forget her name, dutch girl, who keeps banging on about err. banging mainly |
| 22:38.03 | akiam | bucky, can you help me again ? after install the apache-dev . also coud not find apxs |
| 22:38.08 | PerfDave | robin_sz: She's not shagging sheriff is she? That's about all that he goes on about. |
| 22:38.18 | PerfDave | alfatau: You shouldn't need a password to connect to your ISP's SMTP server from within your ISP's network. |
| 22:38.28 | ncsu | anyone? |
| 22:38.29 | Last-try | I typed at the shell xf86config and built a new script but can't figure out what to do with it, and yes I picked the same idriver 2.2 and it worked great, even got up to 1128x960 somthing and worked finr |
| 22:38.34 | robin_sz | PerfDave: dunno, she was desperate for a shag at new year, I tried to sell magnus to her |
| 22:38.37 | PerfDave | !tell Last-try about x md5sum |
| 22:38.43 | PerfDave | !tell Last-try about troubleshooting x |
| 22:38.48 | PerfDave | robin_sz: How much were you charging? |
| 22:38.49 | Benbread | hmm, very strange |
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| 22:39.01 | alfatau | PerfDave: i did: (echo "bye bye" | mail corridoio_bo@yahoo.it) but nothing arrived :( |
| 22:39.12 | PerfDave | alfatau: Check your exim logs then. |
| 22:39.12 | mark | can anyone tell me where i would define the DocumentRoot with apache2 and which webmin config file has the setting for public access? |
| 22:39.13 | ncsu | !tell ncsu about cups |
| 22:39.28 | robin_sz | PerfDave: nothing,. it was quite funny, because Magnus seems ot be scared of real girls, he kept pm'ing me to shut up :) |
| 22:39.40 | bucky | akiam did you install apache with apt-get |
| 22:39.55 | akiam | bucky no |
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| 22:40.30 | bucky | then it has it's own apxs maybe in /usr/local somewhere |
| 22:40.31 | robin_sz | PerfDave: trying to rember $dutchGirls handle ... mmm, tanny, tannie, someting like that |
| 22:40.38 | PerfDave | robin_sz: After my time |
| 22:40.38 | Benbread | could anyone tell me the base font package(s) needed for Xfree86 to run? |
| 22:40.51 | alfatau | PerfDave: corridoio_bo@yahoo.it |
| 22:40.51 | alfatau | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.51 | alfatau | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.59 | robin_sz | PerfDave: probably best that way |
| 22:41.27 | bucky | akiam you need to find it and do a ./configure --help and find the option you need like apxs=/usr/loca/htttpd/bin/apxs |
| 22:41.29 | PerfDave | alfatau: Now where did you specify the name "corridoio" in your exim config? Can you remember? |
| 22:41.31 | bucky | or whatever it is |
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| 22:42.08 | bucky | akiam, and then run ./configure --apxs=/path/to/apxs |
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| 22:42.30 | akiam | bucky, ok i try it thx |
| 22:42.32 | BucWheat | what would cause make modules to give Error 1 and Error 2 in drivers/char ? |
| 22:42.35 | PerfDave | akiam: Why aren't you using the Debian packages for all this? |
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| 22:42.55 | alfatau | PerfDave: yes, when u told me: PerfDave: ok, but who can be interested in the name of my system when reading the mail i sent? |
| 22:43.07 | schneiderj | How can I download the xserver-xfree86 from the console by the net ? |
| 22:43.08 | BucWheat | i'm trying to compile 2.6.10 kernel and it fails during make modules process |
| 22:43.10 | akiam | PerfDave, want try myself.~ haha |
| 22:43.11 | scatterp | stew i am not sure which src i should be working on theres to folders one called linux one called linux-2.6.10 |
| 22:43.13 | alfatau | PerfDave: the entire network |
| 22:43.23 | PerfDave | alfatau: I didn't tell you that, that was something you said to me. |
| 22:43.34 | stew | scatterp: is one a symlink to the other? |
| 22:43.39 | PerfDave | alfatau: You need to change your setting for that to a fully qualified (and preferably valid) domain. |
| 22:44.00 | scatterp | stew i dont think so i dont know the ls option to tell |
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| 22:44.26 | PerfDave | alfatau: The easiest way to do this, as outlined in greycat's mail tutorial ( to which I gave you the link ) is to point a dyndns.org hostname (or similar) at it, especially if you have a dynamic IP. |
| 22:44.30 | stew | scatterp: ls -l |
| 22:44.35 | scatterp | it was 2.6.10 that was installed i think thats got a tar.gz |
| 22:44.47 | stew | scatterp: you to read some basic unix howtos |
| 22:44.57 | PerfDave | alfatau: Your ISP's mail server is refusing to relay your mail because it can't bounce it if something goes wrong. |
| 22:45.12 | scatterp | linux it has a arrow to linux-2.6.10 so i guess its a simlink |
| 22:45.16 | ncsu | no one knows how to setup cups?? |
| 22:45.18 | scatterp | stew linux it has a arrow to linux-2.6.10 so i guess its a simlink |
| 22:45.24 | scatterp | stew so ill go in there do the above |
| 22:45.44 | alfatau | PerfDave: that's the problem: i haven't a public ip, because my isp gives internet connection through gateways |
| 22:46.03 | PerfDave | alfatau: You'll still have a public IP. |
| 22:46.22 | PerfDave | alfatau: Or do you have some kind of sick, diseased ISP that uses NAT? |
| 22:46.32 | PerfDave | alfatau: What are these "gateways" of which you speak? |
| 22:46.35 | alfatau | PerfDave: yes nat |
| 22:46.44 | PerfDave | alfatau: You don't seem to have NAT. |
| 22:47.18 | valentinos | gnight all |
| 22:47.19 | PerfDave | alfatau: You seem to have a hostname of 81-208-74-187.fastres.net and an IP of 81.208.74.187 (unsurprisingly) |
| 22:47.23 | alfatau | PerfDave: try to send me (DCC) something: u won't be able to connect to me |
| 22:47.31 | PerfDave | alfatau: That's got nothing to do with NAT. |
| 22:47.34 | blablablabla | What was the url of the site were one could see statistics on how often a package is installed by ppl? I remember there was a tool for generating them and reporting them .... but I can't remember its name. |
| 22:47.45 | stew | blablablabla: popcon.debian.org |
| 22:47.57 | blablablabla | stew: thx |
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| 22:48.12 | alfatau | PerfDave: there are hundreds of people having that IP |
| 22:48.27 | PerfDave | alfatau: Then you're screwed, basically.# |
| 22:48.32 | PerfDave | alfatau: Get a real ISP. |
| 22:48.43 | PerfDave | alfatau: There may be a way to do what you want, but I don't know what it is. |
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| 22:48.55 | alfatau | alfatau: it's the same for all my city's inhabitants |
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| 22:49.26 | cthulfuego | alfatau: Then you have a crap ISP. get another one. |
| 22:49.33 | scatterp | stew ok i am in the device config menu i will look for ide stuff and enable all ? or do i look for something specific i have a mini ide drive 60gb in my laptop |
| 22:50.02 | grendal_prime | i cant believe this is this complicated |
| 22:50.04 | alfatau | PerfDave: i only think i should be able to connect to my ISP's smtp server, or not? |
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| 22:51.31 | PerfDave | alfatau: Your ISP is fucked. Try using corridoio.fastwebnet.it instead of just "corridoio". Hopefully it'll end up being your ISP's problem, not yours. But be aware that you won't get any e-mail bounce messages. |
| 22:51.57 | simonrvn | .it has notoriously bad ISPs... |
| 22:52.04 | PerfDave | alfatau: Or try to find a command-line client that'll send mail through your ISP's SMTP server, not through your local MTA. |
| 22:52.14 | scatterp | what do i need to compile in to the kernel to support a mini ide 60gb drive in a laptop with a ext3 / |
| 22:52.48 | sevenoak | hi, i currently installing mod_perl, i have done perl Makefile.PL and make prints: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl and aborts. what is that "-lperl" staff? |
| 22:52.55 | alfatau | PerfDave: do u know one? |
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| 22:53.23 | PerfDave | alfatau: Nope. You could possibly write one in perl or similar. |
| 22:53.32 | PerfDave | sevenoak: Why are you not using apt to install mod perl? |
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| 22:53.53 | ciphergoth | my weird make-kpkg problem has resurfaced. |
| 22:54.14 | sevenoak | PerfDave: cant find mod_perl package, maybe i havn't searched deep enough... |
| 22:54.16 | scatterp | what do i need to compile in to the kernel to support a mini ide 60gb drive in a laptop with a ext3 / ? |
| 22:54.17 | ciphergoth | Should I use make-kpkg to build a kernel even if it's a Debian kernel source package I'm building from? |
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| 22:54.46 | ciphergoth | scatterp: should be supported in stock kernels |
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| 22:55.03 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: Yes, it gives you a nice kernel-image .deb to play with and handles all the complicated stuff and bootloader for you |
| 22:55.20 | kenji | 'night |
| 22:55.21 | PerfDave | sevenoak: /msg dpkg search |
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| 22:55.24 | ciphergoth | PerfDave: ...and I can't just go fakeroot debian/rules something to get that |
| 22:55.43 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: No idea, I've never tried. |
| 22:55.52 | scatterp | ciphergoth i have a recompiled kernel thats probebly my problem are you saying i should rm -rf it untar and remake it ? |
| 22:55.58 | alfatau | PerfDave: :) :) :).......... cool! a mail client written by me......... :) ahahahah! i think it's impossible :) |
| 22:56.06 | ciphergoth | scatterp: no |
| 22:56.14 | PerfDave | scatterp: Why not just use a Debian kernel-image package? |
| 22:56.30 | scatterp | i dont know i was following stews instructions |
| 22:56.30 | ^c | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.32 | ciphergoth | scatterp: I'm just saying you should try one of the kernel images that ships with Debiain |
| 22:56.44 | scatterp | he disapeared so i was trying to get help to follow hes instructions |
| 22:56.45 | alfatau | PerfDave: corridoio.fastwebnet works!!!!!!!!! great!!! |
| 22:56.47 | ciphergoth | what prompted you to compile your own? |
| 22:56.54 | scatterp | i didnt |
| 22:57.00 | scatterp | let me start over it will be clearer |
| 22:57.05 | ciphergoth | ok |
| 22:57.06 | PerfDave | alfatau: Do bear in mind that you won't get bounce messages, and you may piss off your ISP. |
| 22:57.08 | sevenoak | i have compiled apache by my self, so apt dependencies will stop mod_perl installation |
| 22:57.22 | PerfDave | sevenoak: Why did you compile apache yourself? |
| 22:57.25 | PerfDave | sevenoak: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
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| 22:58.18 | scatterp | i installed sarge net cd and now i needed wifi drivers downloaded mounted drive they were on copyed them to /home/scattep/ and asked a friend to ssh in and help me install them i screened him to learn and in the process he installed a new kernel compiled |
| 22:58.50 | alfatau | PerfDave: in fact, if i try to reply to mail i get a mail failure notice...... |
| 22:58.51 | PerfDave | scatterp: How did you download these drivers with no wifi? :) |
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| 22:59.12 | PerfDave | alfatau: Reply to it from your yahoo account? |
| 22:59.13 | sevenoak | PerfDave: cos webdav functionality and others, the point is also i want mod_perl 2.0 |
| 22:59.19 | alfatau | PerfDave: yes |
| 23:00.02 | PerfDave | sevenoak: Fair enough. /msg dpkg usrlocal. |
| 23:00.18 | alfatau | PerfDave: <root@corridoio.fastwebnet.it>: |
| 23:00.18 | alfatau | 213.140.2.32 does not like recipient. |
| 23:00.18 | alfatau | Remote host said: 550 RCPT TO:<root@corridoio.fastwebnet.it> Relaying |
| 23:00.18 | alfatau | not allowed - please use SMTP AUTH |
| 23:00.18 | alfatau | Giving up on 213.140.2.32. |
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| 23:00.32 | alfatau | i'm sorry :( |
| 23:00.34 | ArtyObs | hahaha |
| 23:00.35 | PerfDave | alfatau: That's to be expected, since the domain "corridoio.fastwebnet.it" doesn't actually exist. |
| 23:00.47 | scatterp | perfdave it and the problem was it wouldnt boot it ended up with lilo on it (www.google.com search intel pro 2100 wifi) it said it cant mount hda3 so even with a rescue cd same error i have a cd containing auditor so i booted that and followed stews instructions to chroot and make menu config now i am there and stuck |
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| 23:01.07 | PerfDave | scatterp: Do you have network access currently? |
| 23:01.18 | scatterp | yes in auditor |
| 23:01.20 | alfatau | PerfDave: so i can only send but not receive replies? |
| 23:01.22 | PerfDave | scatterp: How did you download the wifi drivers to /home/scattep these drivers with no wifi? :) |
| 23:01.35 | stew | scatterp: you need to enable the driver for your ide controller, (but i agree with everyone else that you shouldn't be compiling your own kernel) |
| 23:01.38 | mark | is there a apache2 module for webmin, for debian? |
| 23:01.40 | PerfDave | alfatau: What you need to do now is send your mail using a command-line program which lets you explicitly state a "From: " address to override the envelope from. |
| 23:01.52 | PerfDave | mark: /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:02.01 | scatterp | perfdave at that point i was in debian and i used a wget over non wifi ethernet |
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| 23:02.30 | scatterp | stew i wasnt a friend was who normaly fixs stuff with no issues i was just screened |
| 23:02.52 | PerfDave | scatterp: Do you still have this non-wifi ethernet available? |
| 23:03.00 | scatterp | perfdave yes |
| 23:03.13 | PerfDave | scatterp: Which version of Debian do you have installed again? |
| 23:03.20 | scatterp | sarge netcd |
| 23:03.43 | PerfDave | scatterp: OK, you want to install a Debian kernel-image package, and boot into it. |
| 23:03.52 | alfatau | PerfDave: what? to make the repliers will send to another email address? |
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| 23:04.08 | PerfDave | alfatau: No, you need to explicitly state the From: address on your e-mail. |
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| 23:04.20 | scatterp | perfdave if it gets me back to a normal os like im back in x and stuff yeah |
| 23:04.49 | harryvv | what init script loads serices in debian |
| 23:04.50 | Shimonn | hi, i can't use mysql with php ... |
| 23:04.50 | Shimonn | Reloading apache modulesPHP Warning: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20010901/mysql.so' - /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference in Unknown on line 0 |
| 23:04.54 | PerfDave | scatterp: That will get you back into Debian proper, X will probably work, but your wifi won't yet. |
| 23:05.04 | PerfDave | Shimonn: In Sarge? |
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| 23:05.11 | Shimonn | in woody |
| 23:05.13 | scatterp | yes perf that sounds good how do i do that ? |
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| 23:05.39 | PerfDave | scatterp: apt-cache search kernel-image. Pick one you like. apt-get install it. Reboot. |
| 23:05.51 | tarzeau | !seen greycat |
| 23:05.52 | dpkg | greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 38m 13s ago, saying: 'infodroid: hmm.'. |
| 23:05.57 | PerfDave | scatterp: Then come back here and learn how to get your ipw2000 wifi working with module-assistant; ) |
| 23:06.06 | roo9 | what mknod arguments do i need to recreate /dev/null |
| 23:06.16 | alfatau | PerfDave: instead of corridoio.fastwebnet.it? |
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| 23:07.12 | mrwoody | does anyone know if cifsmount is supported by debian |
| 23:07.13 | neemz | im trying to install debian from floppies but it cant find my USB cable modem as one of the network interfaces |
| 23:07.19 | mrwoody | any docs regarding cifsmount? |
| 23:07.22 | mike__ | exit |
| 23:07.25 | Shimonn | PerfDave: how could i solve this problem ? |
| 23:07.49 | roo9 | neemz: that won't work, you would need to connect your cable modem via ethernet. that will at least give you a chance. |
| 23:08.13 | neemz | the computer im installing on doesnt have a network card |
| 23:08.36 | neemz | i've heard it works with CDCEther and usbnet |
| 23:08.40 | mark | how do i get the webmin-apache module to work with apache2 in sarge? |
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| 23:08.42 | roo9 | neemz: i suggest you add one, they are like 5$ at costco |
| 23:08.46 | neemz | but I don't know how to get the installer to recognise it |
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| 23:09.57 | neemz | is there not a way of getting it working via usb from the installer? |
| 23:10.25 | ciphergoth | When I look in, say, /usr/src/kernel-headers-2-6-8-2-386, there are well over a dozen directories, most of which are symlinks into 2.6.8-2. |
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| 23:10.49 | bo5is | uhh, there is no mplayer package on debian? |
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| 23:10.50 | roo9 | i'm getting an error when trying to boot kernel 2.6, initrd complains about being unable to load devfs. any ideas? |
| 23:10.52 | ciphergoth | But when I look at the one I built myself using make-kpkg, I can only see "arch", "include" and "makefile". |
| 23:11.00 | roo9 | bo5is: mplayer is non-free |
| 23:11.03 | scatterp | PerfDave since i did the chroot i seem to have lost internet connection |
| 23:11.08 | ciphergoth | and kernel-headers.revision |
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| 23:11.16 | stew | bo5is: it is? |
| 23:11.31 | stew | bo5is: err |
| 23:11.44 | bo5is | oh. |
| 23:11.52 | stew | bo5is: its had licensing issues in the past it might be going into debian soon |
| 23:11.57 | stew | bo5is: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:11.59 | akiam | I have a basic question... I use make install the software. how can I remove it ? |
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| 23:12.10 | stew | roo9: i don't think its non-free |
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| 23:12.11 | ciphergoth | akiam: there isn't necessarily a way |
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| 23:12.34 | ciphergoth | that's one reason it's usually nicer to use a Debian package where you can |
| 23:12.37 | roo9 | stew: yeah, it is. |
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| 23:12.53 | bo5is | jesus |
| 23:12.53 | ciphergoth | but another tool that sometimes makes it straightforward is "stow"! |
| 23:13.03 | roo9 | stew: non-free, not meaning it's in the non-free section though, it's too non-free to even make it into there |
| 23:13.12 | scatterp | stew i cant apt-get the file PerfDave said to get becase the internet droped when i did chroot is it posible to use the kernel.tar.gz i have to do the job ? |
| 23:13.25 | Shimonn | i've debian woody : Reloading apache modulesPHP Warning: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20010901/mysql.so' - /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference in Unknown on line 0 |
| 23:13.25 | Shimonn | what could be the problem ? |
| 23:13.31 | stew | roo9: have you been following the current discussion on debian-devel/ |
| 23:13.31 | ciphergoth | akiam: otherwise, you're looking at seeing whether the package itself has a "make uninstall" or similar; or running the install again, working out what files it creates, and deleting them all. |
| 23:13.37 | ciphergoth | akiam: what are you trying to uninstall? |
| 23:13.39 | roo9 | stew: nope |
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| 23:13.54 | ENTius | hello, just a strange doubt, it is perl but it's rather a linux question (i am on ubuntu), i have a path_to_file, if i have on perl the test -e file, it fails, but the path is correct, to verify i do a cat file and i recieve its content. Is it strange or i am too newbie? |
| 23:14.16 | akiam | ciphergoth yes, I will use apt get next time~_~ |
| 23:14.20 | stew | roo9: according to the current discussion on -devel its being uploaded |
| 23:14.38 | stew | scatterp: it is, you should get your friend back to help you fix it |
| 23:14.40 | ciphergoth | akiam: do look at stow for what you can't apt-get.. |
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| 23:14.50 | roo9 | stew: i see nothing in january/february |
| 23:14.54 | scatterp | stew he gave up went to bed |
| 23:14.57 | Borgon | Anyone here experieneced with xen? |
| 23:14.57 | Borgon | Hi, I am running raid, IF i add module /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-xen0 root=/dev/md0 ro console=tty0 to /boot/grub/menu.lst ... And i get a "file not found error" What could be the issue? can /dev/md0 be called at boot? |
| 23:15.06 | stew | roo9: this is all from today so it probably hasn't hit the archives yet |
| 23:15.10 | drasko | hi everyone... got a problem with net and masquarade |
| 23:15.13 | akiam | ciphergoth, thank you |
| 23:15.39 | stew | roo9: err, i guess the discussion started yesterday |
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| 23:15.58 | roo9 | stew: The last update was on 07:31 GMT Tue Feb 15. There are 681 messages. Page 1 of 2. |
| 23:16.10 | scatterp | stew ok theres an edited one untared should i rm -f that and then untar and make clean ? |
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| 23:16.14 | roo9 | stew: HA! i didn't look at page 2 |
| 23:16.15 | drasko | first of all I am using cable modem, and trying to connect through my linux box another computer which is wnodoze xp |
| 23:16.46 | stew | scatterp: are you on the internet now? |
| 23:16.52 | stew | scatterp: can you try the apt-get again? |
| 23:17.00 | scatterp | stew no i thought i was after the chroot it seemed to die |
| 23:17.03 | stew | scatterp: if you just installed sarge, why are you using lilo instead of grub? |
| 23:17.22 | stew | scatterp: so you have the net before the chroot/ |
| 23:17.33 | scatterp | stew thats what the guy used to boot the new kernel to fix the wifi card |
| 23:17.36 | scatterp | stew yes i do |
| 23:17.53 | stew | scatterp: then download the .deb from packages.debian.org and copy it to the root before you chroot, then dpkg -i |
| 23:18.00 | stew | scatterp: he used lilo to boot the new kenrel? |
| 23:18.05 | scatterp | stew yes |
| 23:18.10 | stew | scatterp: and why is that not working now? |
| 23:18.29 | scatterp | like i said it doesnt mount hda3 |
| 23:18.40 | scatterp | then every one said the hd was not supported in the kernel |
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| 23:18.48 | drasko | is eth0 interface always given to ethernet card... In my case I want to change it and give it to usb modem, and eth1 interface to be ehternet card |
| 23:18.49 | scatterp | and thats why were now puting a new kernel i guess |
| 23:19.01 | stew | scatterp: is hda3 the root? |
| 23:19.03 | scatterp | yes |
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| 23:19.23 | toubsu | can you specify a port range to open in iptables? |
| 23:19.36 | stew | so when you say "thats what the guy used to boot the new kernel to fix the wifi card" he didn't actually boot anything or fix anything, is that correct? |
| 23:20.27 | drasko | toubsu, I just want a linux box to be tyhe gateway for windows machine - to share internet... That's all |
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| 23:20.38 | scatterp | stew well i guess he got most of the way thru the task and unticked the wrong box and disabled the drive |
| 23:20.41 | brdead | hi |
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| 23:20.50 | scatterp | stew but yes it didnt boot |
| 23:20.50 | stew | scatterp: download the kernel deb, copy it to root, chroot, dpkg -i the kenrel |
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| 23:21.08 | FLD | how i can get wget to loop |
| 23:21.13 | FLD | when it finishes it starts again |
| 23:21.23 | scatterp | got a link for one thats suitable i have a dell d500 laptop |
| 23:21.25 | stew | scatterp: when you get to the part where it starts talking about initrd you need to pay attention |
| 23:21.35 | drasko | toubsu, right now I can ping the windoze, and vice versa, and my Linux is on the net, but other computer (windows) can not see internet... |
| 23:21.39 | FLD | like wget http://google.com |
| 23:21.44 | FLD | and when its done it will start again |
| 23:21.49 | FLD | how? |
| 23:21.51 | stew | scatterp: the one on the install cd would do |
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| 23:22.08 | teun | FLD: while true ; do wget http://something ; done |
| 23:22.16 | westside | I just did a fresh debian install and installed the 2.6.10 kernel-image..alls good except the USB keyboard I'm using doesn't work when I boot 2.6.10..I don't have another keyboard handy...any suggestions on how to get it to work? |
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| 23:22.29 | roo9 | FLD: you might want to put a sleep 1; before the done |
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| 23:22.41 | westside | nothing obvious in the kern.log |
| 23:22.44 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 23:22.45 | [Granger] | westside: yes, you're running Sid |
| 23:22.47 | scatterp | stew your confuseing me a little now i am just going to <stew> scatterp: download the kernel deb, copy it to root, chroot, dpkg -i the kenrel |
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| 23:22.55 | [Granger] | there's a reason 2.6.10 is in unstable |
| 23:23.04 | brdead | tar -xvfz MamboV4.5.1b-Stable.tar.gz |
| 23:23.04 | brdead | tar: z: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 23:23.04 | brdead | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 23:23.13 | brdead | why this not working any idea ? |
| 23:23.15 | westside | [Granger] ok |
| 23:23.21 | [Granger] | if USB Legacy is enabled in the Bios it means there's something wrong with the code |
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| 23:23.24 | [Granger] | well... most probably |
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| 23:23.39 | westside | hmm...I'll have to check the bios |
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| 23:23.57 | WolfgangB | brdead, after -f a filenam is expected |
| 23:24.07 | westside | [Granger] thx |
| 23:24.12 | [Granger] | np |
| 23:24.21 | harryvv | What directory and init script starts services in debian? |
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| 23:24.37 | brdead | WolfgangB: in mambo manual the command is tar -xvfz |
| 23:24.39 | [Granger] | ./etc/init.d/rc[runlevel]/ |
| 23:24.43 | harryvv | k |
| 23:24.58 | teun | brdead: /win 2 |
| 23:25.00 | cthulfuego | And magically, on mine, 'tar xfz foo.tar.gz' works fine too. |
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| 23:25.02 | teun | argh |
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| 23:25.12 | brdead | ? |
| 23:25.17 | harryvv | Granger, just trying to pinpoint why im having init problems of asterisk not starting. Can do it manually via root. |
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| 23:25.21 | teun | brdead: tar xvzf should do it |
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| 23:25.23 | WolfgangB | brdead, try tar -xzvf, maybe a typo in the manpual |
| 23:25.34 | [Granger] | harryvv: heh |
| 23:25.41 | stew | sven01: ok, fuck it. boot your rescue cd, mount root, chroot, run grub-install /dev/hda; that should replace lilo with grub, there is no good reason why your friend ditched grub for lilo, that should make it so that you can boot the original install kenrel again, then you are back to where you were before your "friend" "helped" you |
| 23:25.42 | cthulfuego | brdead: Try 'tar xfz MamboV4.5.1b-Stable.tar.gz' |
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| 23:25.54 | cthulfuego | brdead: You don't need the '-' and the 'v' just spamd the console. |
| 23:26.19 | cycom | Why do the debian mirrors taunt me so? |
| 23:26.25 | cthulfuego | cycom: karma |
| 23:26.26 | mrwoody | any docs regarding cifsmount? |
| 23:26.35 | jetscreamer | !comfort cycom |
| 23:26.36 | dpkg | There, there, cycom. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 23:27.08 | westside | [Granger]: so USB legacy is enabled in bios |
| 23:27.32 | cycom | I spend 20 minutes looking through the mirrors, finally find one that has the potato folder, and all the subdirs are empty, except for subdirs! Of course, I only found this out after going 6 deep into the mac one looking for disk images or SOMETHINGg. |
| 23:27.34 | harryvv | [Granger] and starting external deamons and services not native to debian? |
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| 23:27.38 | cycom | GRRRRR |
| 23:27.51 | jetscreamer | dpkg, xwontstart is <reply> modprobe mousedev sometimes helps |
| 23:27.51 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
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| 23:28.12 | roo9 | i'm trying to load kernel 2.6.10, i get the following error "pivot_root: no such file or directory" "init: cannot open dev/console: no such file" followed by a kernel panic, any ideas? |
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| 23:28.30 | jetscreamer | initrd in bootloader sometimes |
| 23:28.36 | jetscreamer | or lack thereof |
| 23:28.38 | cthulfuego | !xwontstart is also looking at the log in /var/log seemtimes helps too |
| 23:28.38 | dpkg | okay, cthulfuego |
| 23:28.53 | jetscreamer | seemtimes eh |
| 23:28.56 | bucky | harryvv, did you install asterisk with apt-get? |
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| 23:29.07 | cthulfuego | ~xwontstart =~ s/seem/some/g |
| 23:29.07 | apt | i didn't have anything called 'xwontstart' to modify, cthulfuego |
| 23:29.08 | jetscreamer | harryvv, #asterisk |
| 23:29.19 | xerophyte | how can i type ^M in vim ? the eof line char in windows in vim? |
| 23:29.19 | harryvv | bucky everything works and no jetscream thay dont have a answer. |
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| 23:29.24 | bucky | it's in sarge |
| 23:29.25 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:29.28 | cthulfuego | blargh |
| 23:29.29 | streuner | What ports use 'traceroute'? |
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| 23:29.34 | Steelhoof | bucky cables |
| 23:29.49 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart =~ s/seem/some/g |
| 23:29.49 | dpkg | jetscreamer: OK |
| 23:29.50 | harryvv | only time it does not load is in rebooting some kind of permssion problems unresolved prevent everything from loading. Want to find the issue. |
| 23:29.51 | cthulfuego | xerophyte: Just edit as per normal, then run inux2dos or type ^v^m |
| 23:30.00 | cthulfuego | unix2dos even |
| 23:30.17 | sevenoak | anyone knows why php5 package not available ? |
| 23:30.24 | xerophyte | cthulfuego, thx |
| 23:30.27 | jetscreamer | cuz it's not packaged |
| 23:30.42 | xerophyte | cthulfuego, where can i get reference to ^v^m |
| 23:30.45 | cthulfuego | sevenoak: Coz it's not stable enough to be included in non-experimental form. |
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| 23:30.53 | cthulfuego | xerophyte: Just type it! |
| 23:31.01 | paulswm | Heh |
| 23:31.03 | stew | sevenoak: if you *really* need it you can get it from dotdeb.org |
| 23:31.11 | harryvv | bucky, what script loads outside binaries like asterisk? im in /etc/init.d right now. |
| 23:31.12 | bucky | harryvv, if you apt-got asterisk you can use update-rc.d to make it start at boot up |
| 23:31.15 | cthulfuego | if you *really* need it, check your head. |
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| 23:31.27 | harryvv | okay |
| 23:31.35 | paulswm | xerophyte: unix2dos is much less labor instensive, though |
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| 23:31.43 | drasko | can anyone help... I got a question about linux as a gateway... |
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| 23:32.07 | stew | drasko: don't ask to ask, just ask |
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| 23:32.40 | scatterp | stew i got card up and managed to aptget a kernel 2.4.27-2-k6 its doing it now |
| 23:32.46 | Souza100 | I having trouble with my Lexar jump driver in Debian with usb-ohci module. it says no such device, insmod error can be caused by incorrect module parameter, including invalid io or irq parameters. Some time even with this error I can mount it. Could some help me? |
| 23:33.11 | scatterp | stew says failed to create initrd image |
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| 23:33.15 | stew | scatterp: are you really on a k6/ |
| 23:33.29 | stew | damn my shift key seems to be going |
| 23:33.39 | scatterp | it said next to it celeron p4 so yeah i guess |
| 23:33.46 | darkz | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? 311 |
| 23:33.52 | darkz | LATVIA LATVIA LATVIA |
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| 23:33.58 | stew | scatterp: no, celeron is i686 |
| 23:34.06 | scatterp | ok |
| 23:34.07 | xerophyte | paulswm, my server does not haev so i sid :%s/^M// |
| 23:34.12 | cthulfuego | wtf was that all about? |
| 23:34.23 | thingfish | some psycho |
| 23:34.24 | stew | cthulfuego: i think it was about latvia |
| 23:34.26 | harryvv | bucky interesting never used that before. init.d is actually starting asterisk but it hits a wall with permions problems 3/4 of the way though on one of the directories. /var/log/boot shows its loaded but not in /var/log/asterisk/messages. |
| 23:34.35 | Xemacs_ | cawfee is back again ? |
| 23:34.38 | cthulfuego | stew: Are latvians gay? Or just insecure? |
| 23:34.58 | stew | dunno |
| 23:35.05 | scatterp | sorry didnt read right |
| 23:35.05 | teun | latvian gay niggers, talking about minority groups... |
| 23:35.11 | scatterp | ok now its installing that stew |
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| 23:36.41 | bucky | harryvv, i haven't used asterisk but if i had to take a guess maybe you need to create one of asterisk's log files or something |
| 23:37.02 | bucky | sounds like a bug check out BT |
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| 23:38.03 | t35t0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.05 | scatterp | stew same error failed to create initrd image |
| 23:38.15 | Souza100 | I having trouble with my Lexar jump driver in Debian with usb-ohci module. it says no such device, insmod error can be caused by incorrect module parameter, including invalid io or irq parameters. Some time even with this error I can mount it. Could some help me? |
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| 23:39.02 | bahamat | I need help from anyone who knows about apache, mod_rewrite and mod_proxy |
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| 23:39.36 | bahamat | my problem is that I have a proxy server that I need to do some URL filtering. the rewrite rules work for non proxy requests but do nothing to proxy requests |
| 23:39.47 | RichiH | #apache is full of those |
| 23:39.50 | jetscreamer | teun, one day you may find a brain |
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| 23:40.03 | herbi | hi guys. question time! |
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| 23:40.05 | bahamat | RichiH: I spent the last 4 hours in there, and they basically know nothing |
| 23:40.22 | Xemacs_ | !tell kerbi about ask |
| 23:40.31 | teun | jetscreamer: eh? |
| 23:40.32 | RichiH | Xemacs_: s/k/h/ |
| 23:40.38 | scatterp | stew i installed it it has no errors after i mounted /proc i rebooted and still same error doesnt that image i downloaded need adding to lilo or something ? |
| 23:40.39 | bahamat | RichiH: sorry, I'm a bit frustrated, it's not that they know nothing, but they know less than I do about rewriting proxy requests |
| 23:40.40 | RichiH | 00:34:03 < teun> latvian gay niggers, talking about minority groups... |
| 23:40.40 | herbi | im about to embark on a php application that can give me details of all the computers on a LAN, before i do, does anyone know if such an application already exists? |
| 23:40.45 | RichiH | bahamat: oh :/ |
| 23:40.49 | Xemacs_ | !tell herbi about ask |
| 23:41.06 | RichiH | bahamat: never used mod_proxy, only mod_rewrite |
| 23:41.20 | cthulfuego | RichiH: Yes, that was a comment on "[10:34] <darkz> [G][N][A][A]Y -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? 311" |
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| 23:41.29 | RichiH | cthulfuego: oh |
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| 23:41.30 | herbi | Xemacs_ oh right, i forgot, i shouldnt bother saying hi when i enter the channel |
| 23:41.42 | chealer | bahamat: that's why there's a mailing list. and if you ask nothing, everyone knows nothing |
| 23:41.43 | cthulfuego | RichiH: debhelper took care of 'im, though. |
| 23:41.45 | Last-try | Got my res problem fixed...thnaks |
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| 23:42.02 | RichiH | cthulfuego: and he left. else, i would have seen that he got klined |
| 23:42.03 | Xemacs_ | herbi ;) |
| 23:42.03 | bahamat | herbi: <? $foo=system("nmap","-A","-F","localnet"); echo $foo; ?> |
| 23:42.07 | RichiH | s/left/quit/ |
| 23:42.12 | JW | when I try to send out going mail with 'mailx' from sarge I get "Mailing to remote domains not supported" bounces |
| 23:42.13 | robink | Do I want to trust font management to defoma? |
| 23:42.15 | cthulfuego | RichiH: [10:34] + darkz was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood: Consider using #flood] |
| 23:42.17 | bucky | herbi there's tons of those kind of app in php a built on snmp |
| 23:42.23 | JW | anyone have a quick way to fix that? |
| 23:42.29 | cthulfuego | RichiH: K-Line latvia anyway. |
| 23:42.41 | herbi | bucky yeah? can you give me a few examples so i can see if they do what i want? |
| 23:42.46 | Last-try | Now can some one give the command to download and install Synaptic with all of the assioated files to install and how to install it |
| 23:42.47 | RichiH | cthulfuego: mo such nick |
| 23:42.50 | macondo | robin_sz, yes |
| 23:42.53 | cthulfuego | They eurovision entry sucked, they don't deserve to be on freenode. |
| 23:43.04 | macondo | robink: yes |
| 23:43.08 | bahamat | JW: your exim config is blocking it |
| 23:43.17 | JW | Yes. the debian docs say to use the command "eximconfig" to setup exim but |
| 23:43.21 | neo10-CZE | Who know, how can I install driver to Atheros 5213 ? |
| 23:43.22 | JW | that comamnd doens't exist anymore |
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| 23:43.26 | JW | and I can't find it in apt-cache |
| 23:43.29 | scatterp | stew i installed it it has no errors after i mounted /proc i rebooted and still same error doesnt that image i downloaded need adding to lilo or something ? |
| 23:43.32 | Last-try | I tried once but it told me I did'nt have all the support files |
| 23:43.38 | JW | I tried configuring by hand but I don't know m4 :-( |
| 23:43.42 | bahamat | JW: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 23:43.47 | JW | I tried that to |
| 23:43.48 | ^c | neo10-CZE: I think atheros is madwifi |
| 23:43.51 | Souza100 | I am having trouble with my Lexar JUMP DRIVER in Debian with usb-ohci module. it says: "no such device, insmod error can be caused by incorrect module parameter, including invalid io or irq parameters". Some time even with this error I can mount it. Could some help me? |
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| 23:43.55 | JW | it exits without saying anythign |
| 23:43.55 | cthulfuego | RichiH: darkz [~noyuo@node.tor] |
| 23:44.00 | robin_sz | macondo: eh .. what? |
| 23:44.01 | herbi | bucky cos i cant seem to find a single example. |
| 23:44.25 | macondo | robin_sz: sorry, my bad, wrong name |
| 23:44.27 | JW | bahamat: no wait, it's acting different now sorry |
| 23:44.29 | RichiH | cthulfuego: i only see a whowas on darkz [~noyuo@anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk~ |
| 23:44.34 | bucky | herbi, been to sourceforge lately |
| 23:44.42 | RichiH | cthulfuego: do you still see darkz as online? |
| 23:44.44 | bahamat | JW: don't select option 4 |
| 23:44.57 | robin_sz | np :) |
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| 23:44.59 | herbi | bucky im on it right now |
| 23:45.09 | cthulfuego | RichiH: noyuo@anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk, noyuo@node.tor, WHO@159.148.29.36 |
| 23:45.23 | JW | bahamat, right |
| 23:45.23 | cthulfuego | RichiH: No, those are in my /whowas |
| 23:45.28 | herbi | bucky if theres heaps, maybe i wont have to write one myself. can you give me an example one? |
| 23:45.40 | scatterp | stew i installed it it has no errors after i mounted /proc i rebooted and still same error doesnt that image i downloaded need adding to lilo or something ? |
| 23:45.42 | jsn | I'm wondering about command line sound programs, to replace xmms/realplay. This box has no spare resources. |
| 23:45.57 | RichiH | cthulfuego: you have more than one entry in your whowas? neat! |
| 23:45.58 | Last-try | Any help...? |
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| 23:45.59 | herbi | jsn mpg123, mplayer, madplay |
| 23:46.06 | sobersabre | cdrecord problem |
| 23:46.16 | bbrazil | jsn: mpg321 is the basic one. I recommend moosic for playlist stuff |
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| 23:46.26 | RichiH | cthulfuego: i assume your client caches them somehow? |
| 23:46.27 | sobersabre | cdrecord -scanbus sees this: |
| 23:46.35 | Borgon | IF i got a kernel panic or an error at bootup which causes the server to restart which logs would tell me the error .. dmesg? |
| 23:46.37 | TheTom | i've added my isp's mail server in /etc/exim/exim.conf , in the route_list line, but it doesn't work. i'm i suppoesd to have exim.conf in /etc/exim4/ ? |
| 23:46.37 | cthulfuego | RichiH: Yeah, irssi has always done that, provided it sees the whois it remembers 'em. |
| 23:46.52 | cthulfuego | Eh, provided it sees the join. |
| 23:46.55 | bucky | herbi, i'm not going to drop everything i'm doing because you ask a question in here that has nothing to do with debian and to help you find an app and then discuss with you whether it does what you want or not |
| 23:47.01 | RichiH | cthulfuego: strange, it does not do that for me |
| 23:47.03 | jsn | Borgon, when that happens, how do you get in to _check_ dmesg? |
| 23:47.08 | RichiH | must look for the setting, i guess |
| 23:47.11 | slocate | anybody familiar with bitchx and psybnc? |
| 23:47.14 | sobersabre | 0,0,0 0) 'TOSHIBA ' 'DVD-ROM SD-R2512' '1L21' Removable CD-ROM |
| 23:47.23 | cthulfuego | RichiH: Which version you running? the cvs one or the stable one? |
| 23:47.30 | RichiH | cthulfuego: stable |
| 23:47.38 | scatterp | PerfDave stew it installed i rebooted still got same problem |
| 23:47.44 | sobersabre | this is a DVDrom, CD R/RW writer |
| 23:47.50 | RichiH | cthulfuego: ah, ok |
| 23:48.19 | RichiH | gotta run |
| 23:48.22 | Borgon | jsn, Well am trying to install xen, and i edited the menu.lst to boot with a custom kernel.... I cant see the error because the machine shows info and reboots kinda fast.... So i have option to boot to regular install or xen |
| 23:48.51 | scatterp | cthulfuego any idea what i should do if you been following that is |
| 23:49.11 | jsn | Borgon: dmesg, if i understand correctly (iiuc?) has the stuff from the most recent boot, so that won't help. |
| 23:49.25 | cthulfuego | scatterp: Sacrifice a goat, trash your system, buy a new AMD64. |
| 23:49.40 | cthulfuego | scatterp: (hint: I wasn't following) |
| 23:49.40 | scatterp | hmmm i dont like amd lol |
| 23:49.44 | scatterp | ok |
| 23:49.45 | herbi | bucky then why bother replying in the first place. |
| 23:49.59 | scatterp | nvm ill reinstall and come back |
| 23:49.59 | Borgon | jsn, nada...any other suggestions in help debugging or catching the error? |
| 23:50.11 | cthulfuego | Yay, the Windows Solution. |
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| 23:50.19 | Last-try | Synaptic.... any help to download and install I really need it to help with other installations |
| 23:50.19 | roo9 | what do i need to to do get my initrd to boot from my HPT366 IDE-RAID ? |
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| 23:50.23 | jsn | Borgon, afraid I know its under /var/log/something, but it's not my especiality. |
| 23:50.35 | sobersabre | cdrecord -dev=0,0,0 file.iso .... gives ..normal output |
| 23:50.37 | Souza100 | I am having trouble with my Lexar JUMP DRIVER in Debian with usb-ohci module. it says: "no such device, insmod error can be caused by incorrect module parameter, including invalid io or irq parameters". Some time even with this error I can mount it. Could some help me? |
| 23:50.38 | sobersabre | and then: |
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| 23:50.42 | sobersabre | cdrecord: No such device or address. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl |
| 23:50.42 | sobersabre | Segmentation fault |
| 23:50.44 | cthulfuego | roo9: Yucky. use 'md raid' instead. |
| 23:50.44 | jsn | Borgon, lay a timestamp inside there. touch /var/log/TIMESTAMP |
| 23:50.52 | JW | bahamat: thank you so much, it works now |
| 23:50.56 | jsn | Borgon, and remember to remove it :) |
| 23:51.15 | JW | bahamat: I spent all afternoon looking for that command :D |
| 23:51.19 | cthulfuego | sobersabre: 'cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -v -data foo.iso' |
| 23:51.28 | Last-try | Ok at least tell me if it will work under Debian 2.6 |
| 23:51.33 | cthulfuego | sobersabre: Really, check the docs and don't make up nonexistant command line parms. |
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| 23:51.51 | roo9 | cthulfuego: except, all my data is on this raid array already |
| 23:52.03 | neemz | i really need to do a net install over a usb cable modem |
| 23:52.05 | drasko | in what rc directory to touch rc.iptables? |
| 23:52.11 | cthulfuego | roo9: Time for an early bout of spring cleaning then? |
| 23:52.12 | neemz | with only floppies to boot from |
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| 23:52.25 | rrk_ | anyone up for an apache2 package question |
| 23:52.36 | roo9 | cthulfuego: as yucky as it is, i would like to be able to do it.. is it possible? |
| 23:52.57 | cthulfuego | roo9: Not necessarily via initrd, but it *can* be made to work. |
| 23:53.08 | sobersabre | cthulfuego, Linux sg driver version: 3.5.31 |
| 23:53.09 | sobersabre | cdrecord: Warning Linux Bus mapping botch. |
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| 23:53.23 | roo9 | cthulfuego: any ideas how? |
| 23:53.29 | cthulfuego | roo9: Checking |
| 23:53.47 | Borgon | jsn, what will timestamp do? |
| 23:53.53 | roo9 | cthulfuego: doing it without initrd, throws an "can't mount root FS error" |
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| 23:54.48 | karsten | Anyone know anything about the Linux Journal DDoS? |
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| 23:55.14 | Blitx | it's new to me |
| 23:55.22 | paulswm | karsten: No, do you have a link? |
| 23:55.40 | karsten | paulswm: http://www.linuxjournal.com/ |
| 23:55.47 | karsten | paulswm: ...not that hammering that will help any ;-) |
| 23:55.50 | cthulfuego | roo9: That would normally indicate you forgot to hardcode the HPT controller driver in (or the root fs) |
| 23:55.51 | paulswm | karsten: Har. |
| 23:56.00 | sippeter | I need to only modify one file in a .deb file, yet when I uncrompress the source .tar.gz and then try and compile it back into a deb file it says that "/DEBIAN/control" couldn't be found, it's there but it's lowercase, so I change it to upercase and it returns a new error, is there some way to figure out how the developer compiled the .deb package? |
| 23:56.01 | roo9 | cthulfuego: both compiled-in |
| 23:56.13 | jsn | Borgon: Will let you know which logs are newer than the last reboot. Helps narrow down the search. |
| 23:56.25 | cthulfuego | roo9: Then you're missing something else *or* the kernel doesn't know its root device. |
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| 23:56.59 | Last-try | Any one know ANY thing about Synaptic |
| 23:57.07 | roo9 | cthulfuego: what could cause the kernel to not know it's root device? |
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| 23:57.28 | cthulfuego | roo9: passing it the wrong one, for instance. |
| 23:57.31 | WolfgangB | Last-try: Which one? The Touchpad or the Paketmanager? |
| 23:58.02 | jsn | What's the program for examining deb files? |
| 23:58.13 | cthulfuego | Note 'synaptic' vs. 'synaptics' |
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| 23:58.17 | Last-try | I don't know it's the one thatwill help me install programs into Debian I'm kinda new and want to keep coming in hear to bug people |
| 23:58.23 | paulswm | karsten: Tired googling, first result is "Stopping DDOS Attacks | Linux Journal", which of course results in the DDoS announcement page, ironic |
| 23:58.29 | paulswm | s/Tir/Tri/ |
| 23:58.42 | Borgon | Is there a way to halt the server so i can see whats causing the rror? |
| 23:58.46 | Borgon | roo9, what you trying to do? |
| 23:58.49 | Souza100 | Does anybody here use Jump Driver? |
| 23:58.53 | karsten | paulswm: Hrm... |
| 23:59.03 | sippeter | Is there a way to examine a .deb file (like change a file inside a .deb packacke) without having to actually having to unpack it? |
| 23:59.04 | karsten | paulswm: ...so to stop a DDoS attack, you put up a brief, static page? |
| 23:59.20 | paulswm | karsten: That is just *too* funny. |
| 23:59.24 | cthulfuego | spinoza: Not really, no. |
| 23:59.30 | cthulfuego | sippeter: Not really, no. |
| 23:59.40 | Last-try | I downloaded the file but it woun't let me install because I don't have the other files |
| 23:59.43 | karsten | paulswm: Hey, I'll quit my day job! |
| 23:59.45 | resiak | Last-try: Yeah, I know A thing about synaptic. |
| 23:59.46 | roo9 | Borgon: migrate from 2.4 -> 2.6 |
| 23:59.49 | karsten | paulswm: ...wait a minute... I don't have one. |
| 23:59.50 | Blitx | how would that work? |
| 23:59.50 | resiak | Last-try: Downloaded _what_ file? |
