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| 00:00.02 | Last-try | So I downloaded them but don't know what to do with them either:-( |
| 00:00.03 | bucky | sippeter, you can use mc |
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| 00:00.03 | jsn | I know there is a .deb file program, kinda works like mc. *Is* it mc? |
| 00:00.05 | Blitx | a DDoS will hit you until you change IPs |
| 00:00.07 | WolfgangB | Last-try: sounds like you need that other file |
| 00:00.11 | bud | hello |
| 00:00.28 | paulswm | karsten: Thanks for the grin, it has been in general a less than humorous day. |
| 00:00.31 | Souza100 | Jump Driver, Does anybody here use it? |
| 00:00.33 | bud | could anyone help me over upt-build |
| 00:00.38 | bud | apt-build |
| 00:00.40 | karsten | paulswm: NP. |
| 00:00.44 | drasko | Are the rc.x directories in /etc dedicated for each runlevel. So, now my default runlevel is 2 -> thoes that mean that other rc.x aren't even read? |
| 00:00.47 | Borgon | roo9, Here is what i learn when using raid |
| 00:00.47 | Borgon | roo9, Make /boot a separate partition , and boot from it.. the kernel makes the device after reboot or some bullsht that it wont boot. |
| 00:00.49 | karsten | !tell bud about ask |
| 00:01.01 | brdead | hi |
| 00:01.13 | brdead | how i can reinstall mysql-server in debian |
| 00:01.21 | resiak | Last-try: What file did you download? If you want to install Synaptic, run apt-get install synaptic as root. |
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| 00:01.45 | karsten | brdead: aptitude install --reinstall mysql-server |
| 00:01.47 | jsn | brdead, if you _really_ need to, add --purge to your removal of mysql-server. |
| 00:01.49 | Last-try | file Synaptic 0.16.6 i386.deb |
| 00:01.50 | roo9 | cthulfuego: i see someting on google that refrences someone fixing a similar problem by upgrading to grub? is this possible? |
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| 00:01.58 | drasko | brdead, apt-get --reinstall instal <package> |
| 00:02.03 | jsn | brdead, but you should probably be able to manage with dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server |
| 00:02.05 | resiak | Last-try: Just do what I just told you to do. |
| 00:02.07 | bud_ | i run apt-build install usbview and i get thi message:Warning: something's wrong at /usr/bin/apt-build line 411, <APTIN> line 8. |
| 00:02.08 | bud_ | Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/bin/apt-build line 417, <APTIN> line 8. |
| 00:02.08 | bud_ | Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/apt-build line 420, <APTIN> line 8. |
| 00:02.08 | bud_ | Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/bin/apt-build line 424, <APTIN> line 8. |
| 00:02.08 | *** kick/#debian [bud_!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 00:02.26 | resiak | !tell Last-try about apt-howto |
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| 00:03.01 | bud | sorry for that |
| 00:03.14 | karsten | !tell bud_ about flood |
| 00:03.17 | brdead | drasko thanks! |
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| 00:03.26 | karsten | !tell bud about flood |
| 00:03.29 | bud_ | i run apt-build install usbview |
| 00:03.30 | Souza100 | Jump Driver, Does anybody here use it? |
| 00:04.00 | bud_ | and i get message:Warning: something's wrong at /usr/bin/apt-build line 411, <APTIN> line 8. |
| 00:04.09 | bud_ | Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/bin/apt-build line 417, <APTIN> line 8. |
| 00:04.16 | bud_ | Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/apt-build line 420, <APTIN> line 8. |
| 00:04.31 | bud_ | Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/apt-build line 420, <APTIN> line 8. |
| 00:04.42 | bud_ | Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/bin/apt-build line 424, <APTIN> line 8. |
| 00:04.48 | helix | uh |
| 00:04.51 | helix | bud_: don't do that |
| 00:04.52 | resiak | bud_: DON'T FUCKING FLOOD |
| 00:04.52 | bud_ | -----> Installing build dependencies (for cdrom) <----- |
| 00:05.01 | resiak | bud_: STOP PASTING |
| 00:05.06 | bud_ | ok |
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| 00:05.09 | resiak | FTLOG... |
| 00:05.12 | GyrosGeier | hi |
| 00:05.22 | cthulfuego | if you can't use apt-build, use precompiled packages. |
| 00:05.22 | drasko | brdead, you're wellcome |
| 00:05.31 | bud_ | well he is telling me something about cdrom |
| 00:05.34 | resiak | bud_: Find the ERROR message, the line where it says it failed, and paste that if you must. But why the fuck are you using apt-build anyway? |
| 00:05.42 | helix | resiak: jesus, calm down |
| 00:05.47 | roo9 | resiak: calm down |
| 00:05.51 | GyrosGeier | does anyone know of any Java 1.4 binaries for woody i386? |
| 00:05.53 | resiak | bud_: I'm sorry, I'm being unreasonable. |
| 00:05.54 | helix | if you're going to get a hernia over it, just walk away :) |
| 00:06.06 | bud_ | resiak: i want to try it |
| 00:06.12 | Last-try | It comes back following packages have unmet dependencies synaptic libapt-pkg-libc6.2-3-2-3-2 E:brocken package |
| 00:06.20 | resiak | bud_: You've read its guide? |
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| 00:06.25 | bud_ | yes |
| 00:06.32 | cthulfuego | GyrosGeier: See if you can find a backport of 'java-package'. |
| 00:06.33 | bud_ | i have followed the howto |
| 00:06.47 | GyrosGeier | cthulfuego, thx |
| 00:06.48 | jvw | GyrosGeier: java-package works on woody |
| 00:06.53 | streuner | GyrosGeier: well, there exist 2 URL's,but they didn't work |
| 00:07.06 | resiak | bud_: What does it _fail_ with? |
| 00:07.24 | resiak | Last-try: So you just used apt-get install synaptic? |
| 00:07.26 | bud_ | no he wants to do something with cdrom |
| 00:07.38 | Last-try | yes |
| 00:07.41 | bud_ | E: Unable to find a source package for cdrom |
| 00:07.48 | resiak | bud_: Are your apt sources set up correctly. |
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| 00:08.04 | bud_ | i think they are |
| 00:08.20 | resiak | bud_, Last-try: I shouldn't be here, I'm in too much of an impatient mood. I apologise for being rude to you both, and turn you over to the other friendlier #debian people :) |
| 00:08.38 | bud_ | resiak: its ok |
| 00:08.42 | Last-try | thansk |
| 00:08.59 | Last-try | any other help |
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| 00:09.38 | cthulfuego | paulswm: Nah, just add an UML on the faster machine. |
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| 00:09.56 | resiak | paulswm: Read the scrollback? I was an utter arses. |
| 00:10.22 | paulswm | resiak: I read it. |
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| 00:10.59 | roo9 | is there a debian install CD that installs kernel-2.6? |
| 00:11.01 | bud_ | resiak: it is working now |
| 00:11.01 | bud_ | thanks for advice |
| 00:11.18 | paulswm | cthulfuego: I want it running, it will make my home network more eclectic |
| 00:11.28 | thingfish | roo9: debian-installer does, just do linux26 at the prompt. |
| 00:11.32 | streuner | GyrosGeier: http://www.netzpolitik.org/index.php?p=418 |
| 00:11.34 | paulswm | cthulfuego: I think it has potato on it :) |
| 00:11.47 | cthulfuego | paulswm: Sheesh, why not slink? |
| 00:11.50 | roo9 | thingfish: do you have a link? |
| 00:11.59 | cthulfuego | paulswm: Beside,s you can run potato on an uml <heh> |
| 00:12.11 | njan | paulswm, netbsd! :) |
| 00:12.18 | thingfish | roo9: google for debian-installer |
| 00:12.27 | njan | paulswm, I have a laptop of about the same spec, but with 48mb ram, which loves netbsd :) |
| 00:12.35 | Blitx | nothing? |
| 00:12.35 | streuner | !d-i |
| 00:12.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 00:12.48 | paulswm | cthulfuego: If I get it running, I'll put sarge on it, I've already got sarge running on a 133GHx Pentium MMX , 32MB mem |
| 00:13.26 | paulswm | njan: I'm not putting any of that long hair west coast commie stuff on it :) |
| 00:13.30 | cthulfuego | paulswm: I should try debian on the Quadra 610 here (33MHz 68040, 4GB SCSI hdd, 384Mb RAM) |
| 00:13.32 | paulswm | njan: j/k |
| 00:13.35 | roo9 | thingfish: thanks |
| 00:13.42 | cthulfuego | No, 2.1GB even |
| 00:13.55 | thingfish | roo9: sure. |
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| 00:14.24 | paulswm | cthulfuego: Yes! It can at least run dnsmasq and also server web pages |
| 00:14.30 | paulswm | s/er/e |
| 00:14.35 | cthulfuego | streuner: No, I don't. Old MACS on the other hand... |
| 00:15.08 | jsn | Which is more memory efficient... exim through inetd, or standalone. I am on a couple mailing lists. |
| 00:15.09 | cthulfuego | paulswm: I used to run a PM 7600 as Hylafax server :-) |
| 00:15.42 | paulswm | cthulfuego: I have a 25MHz ALR 386, 4MB mem, 100MB HD running Xenix, heh |
| 00:15.45 | jsn | This machine was my web/mail server, but my laptop flew off a table with the lid open, and the screen wrenched half-off. |
| 00:15.48 | cthulfuego | paulswm: I don't need a dnsmasq/web server though. The P3 runs as all of that PLUS mail server PLUS nfs/samba server. |
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| 00:16.11 | paulswm | cthulfuego: But I think old people should be put to work anyway :) |
| 00:16.19 | cthulfuego | paulswm: The Quadra 610 is the 'dos compatible' one with a 486 in it. |
| 00:16.30 | paulswm | Wow |
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| 00:17.02 | cthulfuego | That's a 16Mb 486/SX25 I think. |
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| 00:17.27 | cthulfuego | and I *have* at some point had that booting Linux. |
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| 00:17.51 | cthulfuego | There's also a pile of PPC 7200 with 2.1GB/64Mb each |
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| 00:18.09 | cthulfuego | The performa is on loan but the LC is here I think |
| 00:18.10 | AcidChild | where are .deb install from apt-get |
| 00:18.14 | paulswm | *** Send them over *** |
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| 00:18.39 | AcidChild | well not install but put...after download. |
| 00:18.42 | cthulfuego | I do need to get a new battery for the newton though,. that's not booting atm. |
| 00:18.48 | cthulfuego | AcidChild: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 00:18.57 | AcidChild | ty |
| 00:20.04 | jsn | Well, the handheld people have ipkg, that supposedly works on very tiny machines. |
| 00:20.06 | AcidChild | i feel realy silly asking this but how do i install .deb files? |
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| 00:20.18 | jsn | AcidChild, dpkg -i file.deb |
| 00:20.23 | AcidChild | oh |
| 00:20.26 | AcidChild | ty |
| 00:20.38 | jsn | np, glad I could answer a question here. I'm usually the one asking. |
| 00:21.49 | paulswm | cthulfuego: Every computer I bring up, I've put to work running distributed.net's dnetc, have five now. That's the motivator for seeing if I can get another old box up and running. |
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| 00:22.16 | calljair | guys I can not make this crap Dell-M5200 print duplesx or using the driver of postscript I hate it it is driving me crazy. |
| 00:22.16 | calljair | shut |
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| 00:23.22 | BeBoo | Hmm, have any of you guys having troubles with your debian servers today? Where alot of files were missing? |
| 00:24.00 | calljair | I already try to copy the file into the /etc/cups/ |
| 00:24.12 | robink | I get the fatal error "Could not open default font 'fixed'" when starting X |
| 00:24.15 | robink | I'm using debian/testing |
| 00:24.18 | robink | Anyone know why this would happen? |
| 00:24.35 | paulswm | BeBoo: No not here, I have 4 running sarge and I've dist0upgraded them all today, everything fine. |
| 00:24.43 | BeBoo | hm |
| 00:24.57 | calljair | and I wasI try to copy it also to the directory /usr/share/cups/model and nothing. |
| 00:24.59 | calljair | I have that\ |
| 00:25.09 | BeBoo | at work we just got 3 servers totally fucked, and two of my friends has got the same thing |
| 00:25.09 | calljair | please someone with experience in Cups. |
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| 00:25.16 | calljair | or printing on Linux |
| 00:25.19 | calljair | please |
| 00:25.25 | calljair | pleaseeeee |
| 00:25.46 | shingouz | !tell calljair about ask |
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| 00:27.02 | Zap-W | how to fix it |
| 00:27.05 | jsn | Does apt auto-tell about root to roots? |
| 00:27.07 | Zap-W | hi need help , chroot /mnt , grub-install /dev/hda , /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 00:27.14 | jsn | ~tell tiriel about root |
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| 00:27.55 | MSG43 | hi |
| 00:28.03 | cycom | jsn: you missed. |
| 00:28.05 | robink | What package contains the 'fixed' fonts for X? |
| 00:28.14 | Xemacs_ | it must still be sunday |
| 00:28.18 | MSG43 | what is the command I type to read from my usb thumbdrive? |
| 00:28.21 | juhov | robink: xfonts-base, xfonts-base-transcoded |
| 00:28.22 | bahamat | robink: xfonts-base |
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| 00:29.05 | robink | It should be a requirement of xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:29.10 | MSG43 | like I know I would do like cd but then what. Like what I guess I'm asking is what the path to my thumbdrive |
| 00:29.16 | robink | juhov, bahamat: thanks :) |
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| 00:30.21 | stew | MSG43: did you install sarge? or are you still on ubuntu? |
| 00:30.56 | MSG43 | stew: as far as I know I installed sarge |
| 00:30.56 | gilles | how to make a debuild that won't ask a pgp key ? |
| 00:31.19 | MSG43 | I'm trying to install ndiswrapper so I can apt-get stuff |
| 00:31.25 | MSG43 | but that in my next question |
| 00:32.00 | Borgon | IF am going to be working with lvm volumes, is it best to install raid on 2x80Gb then make a lvm volume and install debian / on the big lvm raided volume ? Or do i make ext3 / and make a separate partition that is lvm ? |
| 00:32.13 | AcidChild | i didnt install my kernel right from a package |
| 00:32.19 | AcidChild | and its on a MBR |
| 00:32.28 | AcidChild | so it dont give me a chance to boot into the old one |
| 00:32.31 | AcidChild | what can i do? |
| 00:32.34 | AcidChild | can i use a live cd ? |
| 00:32.45 | AcidChild | to edit lilo.config? |
| 00:32.51 | jsn | AcidChild, or a rescue disk. |
| 00:32.59 | AcidChild | dont have a floppy drive |
| 00:33.11 | Gokee2 | knoppix works great for that |
| 00:33.22 | AcidChild | got knoppix-std |
| 00:33.25 | AcidChild | that will do |
| 00:33.39 | jsn | AcidChild, It will do, but the install CD will work, too. |
| 00:33.40 | Gokee2 | Use chroot then :) |
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| 00:33.48 | MSG43 | can anyone help me |
| 00:33.50 | MSG43 | what is what the path to my thumbdrive |
| 00:33.58 | AcidChild | rofl ok jsn |
| 00:34.07 | AcidChild | well i put the knoppix-std in allready :) |
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| 00:34.09 | srbaker | hey |
| 00:34.12 | srbaker | anyone here use vsftp? |
| 00:34.16 | AcidChild | ya |
| 00:34.18 | cycom | MSG43: use dmesg to find out |
| 00:34.31 | AcidChild | MSG43: /dev/sda* |
| 00:34.42 | MSG43 | ok thanks |
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| 00:34.51 | cycom | AcidChild: mine was in sdb. assume makes an ass out of you and me |
| 00:34.53 | MSG43 | and what do I need to download from apt get? |
| 00:34.56 | MSG43 | to get into a gui? |
| 00:35.03 | AcidChild | mount -t vfat /dev/sda* /mnt/flash |
| 00:35.06 | AcidChild | somthing like that |
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| 00:35.13 | AcidChild | cycom: well... |
| 00:35.14 | AcidChild | anyway.. |
| 00:35.17 | AcidChild | does that matter? |
| 00:35.28 | MSG43 | I think I need x and gnome or kde I would go with gnome |
| 00:35.32 | AcidChild | just press Tab.. |
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| 00:35.43 | AcidChild | MSG43: Fluxbox |
| 00:35.44 | MSG43 | but what the command to get x? is it like apt-get x? |
| 00:35.45 | AcidChild | =p |
| 00:35.46 | cycom | AcidChild: or just use dmesg and find out for sure. |
| 00:35.53 | calljair | ok |
| 00:35.57 | calljair | I am sorry guys |
| 00:36.00 | AcidChild | or press tab and see the options =p |
| 00:36.02 | calljair | I am getting creasy |
| 00:36.16 | _PiGreco_ | has testing already been freezed ? |
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| 00:36.20 | nSe | i need some help! should i format my partition under ext2 or ext3 filesystem for doing sarge on it!? |
| 00:36.20 | calljair | I need to make this printer Dell M5200 print duplex. |
| 00:36.26 | AcidChild | how would i got about fixint it from a live disk then? |
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| 00:36.37 | AcidChild | whereis /etc/lilo.config |
| 00:36.40 | AcidChild | from a live disk |
| 00:36.42 | lilmdk | what is the date of the last release of debian ? |
| 00:36.53 | juhov | check www.debian.org |
| 00:37.02 | calljair | it is a driver for the foomatic/postscript that will make it work. I have next to me a laptop with FC3 and it is using that driver. |
| 00:37.15 | calljair | foomatic/postscript and it prints duplex. |
| 00:37.21 | lilmdk | is r4 considered beta ? |
| 00:37.55 | cycom | MSG43: I don't use X, and spoonfeeding is bad |
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| 00:38.07 | nSe | ((chealer)) i need some help! should i format my partition under ext2 or ext3 filesystem for doing sarge on it!? |
| 00:38.08 | juhov | lilmdk: nope |
| 00:38.13 | MSG43 | well I just want to know how to get into the gui |
| 00:38.25 | MSG43 | I don't think that spoonfeeding |
| 00:38.31 | _PiGreco_ | nSe: whatever u like more |
| 00:38.31 | MSG43 | that why I tried ubuntu first |
| 00:38.44 | AcidChild | MSG43: google is ur friend |
| 00:38.52 | AcidChild | yes MSG43 we are spoon feeding u. |
| 00:38.53 | cycom | MSG43: /msg dpkg X works well too |
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| 00:39.17 | nSe | ((_PiGreco_)) what are the main differences? i'm new on debian, what should i try? |
| 00:39.21 | Xenguy | MSG43: You just installed Sarge? |
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| 00:39.32 | MSG43 | xenguy: yes |
| 00:39.37 | AcidChild | rofl |
| 00:39.44 | AcidChild | hehe |
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| 00:39.51 | AcidChild | weirdouser: u dumb-ass |
| 00:39.56 | _PiGreco_ | nSe: it depends on your needs, ext3 is journaled, ext2 itsnt..ext3 is ok for most of apps |
| 00:40.12 | cycom | Thou Shalt Not Use IRC as Root |
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| 00:40.20 | nSe | ((_PiGreco_)) what does journaled means? |
| 00:40.32 | Xemacs_ | nSe, faster |
| 00:40.36 | AcidChild | uhuh |
| 00:40.48 | neemz | How can I do a net install from a floppy using a usb cable modem? |
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| 00:41.06 | simonrvn | @lart root IRCers |
| 00:41.06 | Xenguy | MSG43: and you are at a console/prompt then? |
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| 00:41.08 | _PiGreco_ | nSe: not faster, but better..if you dont know what a journaled fs is, ask google |
| 00:41.08 | MSG43 | well can you tell me what x is called like is it called x or is there a specific name |
| 00:41.24 | MSG43 | xenguy: I'm at the conslole/prompt so to answer you question "yes" |
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| 00:41.39 | Xenguy | MSG43: try running this command -> startx |
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| 00:42.02 | MSG43 | xenguy: i got boot into nix |
| 00:42.04 | MSG43 | I will try brb |
| 00:42.35 | juhov | nSe: http://puggy.symonds.net/~rajesh/howto/ext3/ext3-2.html explains some of ext3's benefits over ext2 |
| 00:42.51 | nSe | ((_PiGreco_)) i'll do, but is not it more difficult to configure? i'm new here so i need to know what that will be... |
| 00:43.12 | nSe | ((juhov)) thanks! i'll read this... |
| 00:43.38 | _PiGreco_ | nSe: no its not |
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| 00:44.25 | soapee01 | is there some trick to get wall to work w/KDE (other than enabling KDE Write daemon [didn't help])? |
| 00:44.47 | TheTom | anyone know about aterm and cutchars? i tried adding Aterm*cutchars: `"´()*,;[]{|}?@ in ~/.Xresources but to no avail |
| 00:44.59 | simonrvn | soapee01: yeh use a terminal emulator ;) |
| 00:45.03 | kingsley | xscreensaver intermittently stops recognizing keystrokes. What's a good command to update all of X and its dependencies? |
| 00:45.18 | AcidChild | when install a kernel package whats the normal line needed to be added to lilo.config? |
| 00:45.19 | GyrosGeier | jvw, where can I get the most recent java-package? |
| 00:45.33 | soapee01 | simonrvn: I saw this working nicely on FC2, was hoping there was an easy debian way. |
| 00:45.37 | jvw | GyrosGeier: from sid? |
| 00:45.45 | GyrosGeier | jvw, hrm |
| 00:45.52 | GyrosGeier | jvw, that's an idea. |
| 00:46.07 | jvw | GyrosGeier: think so too, in sarge is one version older, but that should work too |
| 00:46.30 | iceman | Im having some problems with one of my hd:s and would like to make a surface scan as one can do in the installer. How can I do that afterwards? |
| 00:46.32 | juhov | nSe: if you're still in doubt, just pick ext3 and don't worry about it :) |
| 00:46.42 | GyrosGeier | jvw, it doesn |
| 00:46.52 | simonrvn | soapee01: so copy what they did, write up something, put it on the web somewhere, and tell the kde maintainers. or just tell the kde maintainers |
| 00:47.02 | GyrosGeier | jvw, it doesn#t like jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux.bin |
| 00:47.02 | jvw | GyrosGeier: file a bug, unless it's about the free diskspace thingy |
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| 00:47.20 | jvw | GyrosGeier: hm? Where did you get that one? |
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| 00:47.31 | GyrosGeier | jvw, from sun.com |
| 00:47.34 | jcuk | why do i seem to forget a lot of important stuff about linux yet i never forget anything about windows? |
| 00:47.40 | jvw | GyrosGeier: never saw that filename before |
| 00:47.53 | juhov | maybe you don't use linux enough? :) |
| 00:47.54 | nSe | ((juhov)) that's what i'll do, let me finish read that... |
| 00:47.54 | GyrosGeier | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp |
| 00:47.55 | Xenguy | jcuk: example? |
| 00:47.57 | soapee01 | simonrvn: I'm not complaining here, it was my understanding this was a standard kde thing. I'm prolly just missing something simple somewhere. |
| 00:48.24 | simonrvn | soapee01: maybe... haven't needed it from a gui per se, i always used a term |
| 00:48.44 | GyrosGeier | jvw, the URL in the README.Debian. :-/ |
| 00:48.53 | jcuk | Xenguy: I have used slackware and fedora core 2. i used slackware for some time after returning to windows cos i wanted to play some games. I was in the middle of compiling my kernel now thinking back i wouldent even know where to start compiling a kernel... |
| 00:49.04 | jcuk | and that was only 6 months ago |
| 00:49.12 | jvw | GyrosGeier: don't take the netbeans BS :) |
| 00:49.19 | GyrosGeier | jvw, ah. |
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| 00:49.29 | jvw | maybe that should be documented though |
| 00:49.44 | jcuk | im preparing my disk for partitioning so i can install debian... but half the stuff i learned i have forgotten |
| 00:49.49 | rellik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.08 | Xenguy | jcuk: neither would I ;-) Some folks can do that, and I admire them too, but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with us. We just need to write a 'readme.txt' file, so the procedure is recorded, and the information retrievable -- that's what I do anyway. |
| 00:50.14 | GyrosGeier | jvw, I am awaiting the holy smackdown from the other admin for all the downloads... |
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| 00:50.32 | nSe | what does e2fsck do essentialy? |
| 00:50.34 | chealer | nSe: why do you ask ME? |
| 00:50.38 | simonrvn | rellik: i'd assume 4 k |
| 00:50.51 | simonrvn | rellik: uh, never mind :) |
| 00:50.53 | jcuk | Xenguy: Im one of those people who are very unorganised and can forget easily untill someone mentions it and it all comes back to me :( |
| 00:50.58 | rellik | simonrvn, yeah... but the file isn't 4k :) |
| 00:51.17 | nSe | ((chealer)) sorry, anyone was helping me... but sb did. |
| 00:51.18 | Xenguy | jcuk: we're all different - it's a question of finding a method that works for you. |
| 00:51.21 | jvw | rellik: you're asking the size it occupies on disk |
| 00:51.23 | simonrvn | meant 4 bytes.. *blush* |
| 00:51.47 | simonrvn | ah |
| 00:51.53 | jvw | GyrosGeier: I have the file for you |
| 00:51.56 | rellik | jvw, ahhh.. that's kinda what I was thinking |
| 00:51.57 | jvw | GyrosGeier: if you trust me |
| 00:51.57 | Xenguy | jcuk: me - I write it down once, then I good :-) |
| 00:52.05 | jcuk | Xenguy: i had to go back to windows for games because i had rubbish graphics and ram and proc. which didnt help as it struggled to play a 2d online game through crossover. ive recently severly upgraded and hoping to play games much better on wine |
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| 00:52.19 | rellik | jvw, thanks |
| 00:52.23 | jcuk | yeah well im unorganised. i never have a spare pen. i always lose things i write stuff on you know ;) |
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| 00:52.35 | jcuk | food wrappers and cds lying all over my desk |
| 00:52.37 | Matong | hello |
| 00:52.42 | GyrosGeier | jvw, I already got it now |
| 00:53.07 | MSG43 | well I can't figure out how to get my thumbdrive to work with debian. I can't load the files I tried cd /dev/sda1,2,3 and ls /dev/sda1,2,3 |
| 00:53.09 | Xenguy | jcuk: there is a really amazing wine web site (something like frankscorner.org or .net) that shows it is possible to run different games in wine -- I haven't tried it tho, I'm not really a gamer |
| 00:53.13 | Matong | i have problems with using nautilus under icewm. it seems that nautilus doesn't find any images under icewm. any suggestions? |
| 00:53.39 | jvw | GyrosGeier: please file a wishlist bug about documenting the netbeans thingy, prefereable with patch, so I won't forget it when I'm doing my next upload |
| 00:53.59 | AcidChild | how do i run lilo from a live disk on the harddisk so i write the changes to lilo.config? |
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| 00:54.07 | jcuk | i like games to an extent. i like to push my graphics card and ram to the ultimate limit by tweaking and editing games advanced settings |
| 00:54.09 | AcidChild | -ig |
| 00:54.17 | GyrosGeier | jvw, okay |
| 00:54.20 | _PiGreco_ | pa |
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| 00:54.29 | jcuk | didnt help with my old 256ddr and a pos geforce2 graphics card |
| 00:54.46 | jcuk | got 1gig ddr and a radeon 9600xt now :) |
| 00:54.48 | Xenguy | MSG43: the first thing you can do is prepend a nick to your comments to someone (when it's applicable) so they'll notice yer even here ;-) |
| 00:54.59 | shingouz | AcidChild: you have to chroot yourself into the root of the hd and run lilo in the chroot jail. back out of the chroot and reboot |
| 00:55.19 | Xenguy | MSG43: as for 'threatening' to go back to windows - drop it, no one cares about it, or is impressed by that -- trust me |
| 00:55.29 | Xenguy | MSG43: did you get into X or not? |
| 00:55.35 | MSG43 | there is no x |
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| 00:55.47 | robink | Is there a way to get GNOME to not load xscreensaver? |
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| 00:55.53 | MSG43 | but I need to get to my thumbdrive so I can install ndiswrapper and have internet access |
| 00:55.53 | Xenguy | MSG43: what was the error message (if any) ? |
| 00:55.55 | cool_blade | does anyone know how to change the logging in syslog for Cyrus mail? at the moment it just logs to /var/log/mail.log, i want to change this |
| 00:56.09 | MSG43 | yeah it said it can't be found |
| 00:56.11 | jcuk | Xenguy: i always seem to forget crucial commands... like.... how to untar certain files and rpms and stuff :( |
| 00:57.20 | jcuk | Hopefully debian will be the answer to my hardware compatibility problems :P |
| 00:57.24 | juhov | MSG43: cat /proc/partitions, do you see something beginning with sd there after you plug in the thumb drive? |
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| 00:57.30 | Xenguy | jcuk: you can use 'aliases' -- these are shortened commands that you create in order to reduce your typing, and need to memorize stuff :-) For example... |
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| 00:58.11 | MSG43 | juhov: i can't check cause I'm in windows (dual boot), but I will as soon as I boot into linux |
| 00:58.29 | Xenguy | jcuk: in my /home/me/.bashrc file I have this line (among others): alias tc='tar -czvpf' |
| 00:58.36 | MSG43 | any other suggestions cause dmesg gave me some really long device name |
| 00:58.42 | MSG43 | but realized my them drive |
| 00:58.55 | Xenguy | jcuk: so in order to tar up some files, I just have to type -> tc thefiles |
| 00:59.00 | hennewou | hi, which command can I use to put my laptop in standby? |
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| 00:59.09 | jcuk | Xenguy: Sweet :) |
| 00:59.11 | Xenguy | jcuk: er, tc tar.tar the files |
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| 00:59.32 | juhov | MSG43: well once you boot into linux check that file and if there's something like sda1 try mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt |
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| 00:59.35 | thomas_adam | hennewou: You can use acpi -- via acpid |
| 00:59.53 | thomas_adam | hennewou: Indeed, if you had the swsusp patch to the kernel, you could suspend to disk, almost. |
| 00:59.57 | jcuk | Xenguy: Is also options that put me off, -c -v and other stuff. Theres too many trying to remember then reading through countless pages of manuals |
| 01:00.01 | brad | does anyone know the get cmd for bunzip2 |
| 01:00.02 | Xenguy | jcuk: I just a line count on the file, and the total number of lines is 2 short of 500 ;-) |
| 01:00.05 | MSG43 | juhov: ok |
| 01:00.10 | stew | brad: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:00.11 | jcuk | Xenguy: I get used to it after using Linux for a while |
| 01:00.11 | TheTom | MSG43: dmesg |grep USB |
| 01:00.11 | thomas_adam | brad: "get"? |
| 01:00.29 | shingouz | hennewou: on older latops apm usually does the trick |
| 01:00.30 | Xenguy | jcuk: yep - I'm just a lazy typist |
| 01:00.51 | MSG43 | TheTom: will try |
| 01:00.56 | MSG43 | just got to finish typing something up |
| 01:01.01 | hennewou | shingouz: it's an old laptop (400 Mhz) |
| 01:01.08 | jcuk | Xenguy: im not a lazy typist, im a lazy reader though :( which isnt very good when using linux. it involves so much reading! |
| 01:01.19 | shingouz | hennewou: do you have apm installed there? |
| 01:01.35 | gilles | dgpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed (...) debuild: fatal error at line 787... after doing "debuild" on my patched postgresql, how to escape this pgp stuff when running debuild ? |
| 01:01.40 | hennewou | I allready can turn my laptop in standby with the powerbutton |
| 01:01.41 | Xenguy | jcuk: yep :-) And not just 'read' -- 'scan quickly' is more like what you really need |
| 01:01.45 | jcuk | Xenguy: It doesent help i have a terrible short term memory |
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| 01:01.52 | hennewou | shingouz: yes I ave |
| 01:01.53 | brad | dpkg didnt have it |
| 01:01.54 | dpkg | wish i knew, brad |
| 01:01.54 | hennewou | have |
| 01:02.02 | shingouz | hennewou: check man apm |
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| 01:02.25 | juhov | brad: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 01:02.27 | shingouz | hennewou: usually either apm -s or apm -S. i just forget which is suspend and which is sleep |
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| 01:02.53 | jcuk | Xenguy: I have a really good C++ Learning Book here and id probably work my way through it and likely would help me to understand linux from a developers point of view because its all about source and coding etc. |
| 01:02.58 | Xenguy | jcuk: really, you don't an encyclopedic mind, as much as you need a way to either record/retrieve information, and especially to master the 'help' system so you can just look stuff up effectively, instead of having to memorize it |
| 01:03.24 | Xenguy | jcuk: coding can be fun - I wish I had started earlier on |
| 01:03.33 | MSG43 | well I'm gonna try thanks guys |
| 01:03.33 | hennewou | shingouz: I get: Cannot open APM device: No such file or directory |
| 01:03.34 | MSG43 | brb |
| 01:03.40 | theturtle | Anyone know what would cause K3b to make my system run slowly |
| 01:03.44 | theturtle | ? |
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| 01:03.57 | shingouz | hennewou: check if you have apmd running |
| 01:04.05 | jetscreamer | load the apm modules maybe eh |
| 01:04.13 | theturtle | i can see the screen refreshing and my typing here is slow |
| 01:04.18 | hennewou | shingouz: maybe the laptop uses acpi, because kde shows an laptop icon (from klaptop ) in the right corner. |
| 01:04.19 | jcuk | Xenguy: Id get bored quickly i think. Referring back to all the syntax's its the same with linux and anything else i do. im 16 trying to study in school and my mind is spinning trying to remember everything :P |
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| 01:04.56 | TheTom | theturtle: consider finding a lighter desktop environment :) |
| 01:04.57 | jcuk | Xenguy: Doing hypermedia in school i could create a superb website but i keep forgetting a lot of the HTML tags after using them |
| 01:05.02 | hennewou | shingouz: how can I check it in a fast way? |
| 01:05.09 | shingouz | hennewou: in that case you have to man -k acpi, i am lost with that |
| 01:05.23 | shingouz | hennewou: the apmd? ps -A | grep apm |
| 01:05.32 | jcuk | Xenguy: I just wish i had a great short term memory rather than a great longterm memory |
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| 01:05.41 | brdead | how i can restart debian from remote ssh |
| 01:05.51 | hennewou | I get: 27 ? 00:00:00 kapmd |
| 01:05.58 | bob2 | same as you start it from in front of it |
| 01:06.04 | hennewou | soI think it's running |
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| 01:06.36 | shingouz | hennewou: in that case you might have to try with the kde thingie there, not sure if kapmd is compatible with pure consile |
| 01:06.38 | Xenguy | jcuk: focus on trying to find a way/method/technique to compensate for the lack of memory you seem to be experiencing -- that's what you need I think, cos throwing up your hands and saying "I forget" won't get you too far ;-) You need a way to retain info, even if it isn't in your RAM :-) |
| 01:06.39 | shingouz | console even |
| 01:06.40 | theturtle | TheTom- i'd agree but growfs doesn't do this when burning dvds |
| 01:06.49 | bob2 | kapmd sounds an awful lot like a kernel thread |
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| 01:07.02 | TheTom | theturtle: uh? |
| 01:07.37 | jcuk | Xenguy: I get you. I can just picture myself getting a notepad out every time someone tells me the time or a time/date lol |
| 01:07.45 | Xenguy | jcuk: take notes, write README files, or whatever (I have a whole section of README's/notes in ~/data/hlp for example) |
| 01:07.51 | theturtle | growisofs or whatever |
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| 01:08.11 | hennewou | shingouz: thanks for info |
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| 01:08.24 | shingouz | hennewou: np |
| 01:08.25 | jcuk | Xenguy: I see, probably go down the street tomorrow and buy myself a notepad. and a pen heh |
| 01:08.27 | shingouz | hope it works |
| 01:08.28 | TheTom | theturtle: are you talking about burning dvd's now? i though you wre talking about KDE |
| 01:08.36 | Xenguy | jcuk: if that's what it takes, do it :-) I write most stuff down, like I say, and I've learned how to find info in Debian quickly |
| 01:08.37 | brdead | heeeeelp |
| 01:08.41 | Xenguy | jcuk: hehe |
| 01:08.53 | brdead | how i can restart debian from remote ssh |
| 01:08.58 | jcuk | Xenguy: To find info on anything quickly i always goto google |
| 01:09.01 | theturtle | TheTom- i was talking about k3b causing my system to run slowly |
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| 01:09.11 | theturtle | you said choose another desktop environment |
| 01:09.11 | Xenguy | jcuk: google's yer friend, yep |
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| 01:09.22 | TheTom | theturtle: oh. i read KDE :þ |
| 01:09.23 | juhov | brdead: shutdown -r now, just like you always do |
| 01:09.30 | theturtle | I said, well when i'm burning dvd's with growisofs, it doesn't do this |
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| 01:10.01 | jcuk | Xenguy: Someone must be great about this new msn search though, i dont know if it can compete with google but i have even seen television ads for msn search... mind you thats probably just microsoft showing off how much cash they have. |
| 01:10.10 | jcuk | Xenguy: Something** |
| 01:10.25 | brdead | whois juhov |
| 01:10.40 | brdead | not whorking |
| 01:10.45 | Xenguy | jcuk: I refuse to use anything remotely related to M$ unless I'm forced to (like at work), but that's my bias |
| 01:10.54 | brdead | ei toimi |
| 01:10.54 | juhov | are you root? |
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| 01:11.03 | Borgon | Hey how can i get a console log at bootup to see the kernel errors that am having? |
| 01:11.09 | brdead | yes |
| 01:11.14 | Xenguy | Borgon: dmesg ? |
| 01:11.16 | jetscreamer | dmesg |
| 01:11.26 | jcuk | Xenguy: I tried to work like that when i had slackware, i just had to go back because i wanted to play some new games i had got. |
| 01:11.27 | jetscreamer | or less /var/log/syslog |
| 01:11.28 | shingouz | brdead: huh? |
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| 01:11.47 | juhov | brdead: well what does it complain then? |
| 01:11.53 | KingsleyK | ! |
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| 01:12.01 | brdead | shingpuz i am looged as ROOT and restart or shutdown -r not work! |
| 01:12.04 | KingsleyK | alots of users in this channel |
| 01:12.07 | brdead | and i am not lame |
| 01:12.09 | jetscreamer | shutdown -r now |
| 01:12.09 | brdead | :) |
| 01:12.09 | Xenguy | jcuk: well get a PS2 or whatever for games, and do your main PC stuff on linux -- or run a d0ze game system if you must |
| 01:12.27 | Xenguy | jcuk: or checkout that wine site I mentioned |
| 01:12.36 | jcuk | Xenguy: When i goto bed at night almost EVERYTHING anyone has said or any information i have taken in during the day comes back to me and stops me from sleeping so it can be a pain in the neck working with linux as i take in loads of information |
| 01:12.46 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 01:12.48 | Borgon | Xenguy, you use xen? |
| 01:12.51 | jetscreamer | !whine |
| 01:12.51 | Borgon | Xenguy, its not showing up.... I am trying to boot xen and am getting a kernel panic |
| 01:12.51 | dpkg | from memory, whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
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| 01:12.59 | jetscreamer | lame |
| 01:13.05 | lethal_dose | how can i copy a file that cant be read in some parts because of input errors? |
| 01:13.06 | Xenguy | Borgon: no, that is coincidental -- I was first :-) |
| 01:13.11 | brdead | ~# shutdown -r |
| 01:13.12 | brdead | Usage: shutdown [-akrhfnc] [-t secs] time [warning message] |
| 01:13.12 | brdead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.12 | brdead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.12 | brdead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.12 | brdead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.12 | jetscreamer | lethal_dose, use dd |
| 01:13.12 | *** kick/#debian [brdead!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 01:13.18 | jcuk | Xenguy: What was that site again? |
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| 01:13.29 | shingouz | brdead: shutdown -r now |
| 01:13.31 | peterS | brdead: ummm. no flooding. |
| 01:13.36 | jetscreamer | brdead, what part of shutdown -r now |
| 01:13.40 | jetscreamer | i see no now |
| 01:13.41 | brdead | now also |
| 01:13.44 | shingouz | brdead: read the error you get... |
| 01:13.47 | Xenguy | jcuk: I'll give it to you but try this -> /lastlog Xenguy |
| 01:13.48 | ArtyObs | flood kicks are irc legal violence |
| 01:14.00 | brdead | LoL :) |
| 01:14.02 | lethal_dose | jetscreamer, dd aborts on error |
| 01:14.10 | brdead | what that now do there in end :) |
| 01:14.17 | jcuk | Nothing happened |
| 01:14.19 | brdead | thanx anyway |
| 01:14.24 | brdead | now working |
| 01:14.27 | Xenguy | jcuk: OK, sec... |
| 01:14.28 | ArtyObs | hand over the disk to me and pay 10000$ per gigabyte recovered |
| 01:14.41 | jetscreamer | lethal_dose, isn't there a don't abort feature? not sure, but i copied a file from a cd with an error and it worked. all i know/remember. |
| 01:14.55 | GyrosGeier | jvw, it works! |
| 01:15.00 | GyrosGeier | jvw, thanks! |
| 01:15.10 | jetscreamer | now tell it WHEN to reboot, man shutdown |
| 01:15.18 | jetscreamer | see also shutdown -r 1 |
| 01:15.19 | GyrosGeier | (well, almost, but the rest appears to be local configuration issues) |
| 01:15.27 | Xenguy | jcuk: http://frankscorner.org/ |
| 01:15.40 | lethal_dose | jetscreamer, there's a dd_rescue utility, but i was looking for something like cp_rescue |
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| 01:16.33 | jvw | GyrosGeier: what still needs to happen, is to get a lot of documentation fixed... |
| 01:16.54 | juhov | I think cp probably works on too high level to be able to accomplish that |
| 01:17.06 | jvw | GyrosGeier: java-package itself has been sorted out I hope now on this 3rd upload of mine... |
| 01:17.14 | jvw | GyrosGeier: to the point where it's usueable |
| 01:17.15 | jetscreamer | lethal_dose, all i know is it worked for me. dd if= of= |
| 01:17.23 | jetscreamer | no fancy stuff |
| 01:17.35 | brdead | i do not read fuqing manuals!!!! |
| 01:17.59 | jvw | brdead: read a fucking dictionary instead, to know how to spell correctly :)? |
| 01:18.05 | jcuk | Xenguy: Thanks |
| 01:18.28 | Xenguy | jcuk: yw - if you need wine specific help, try #winehq |
| 01:18.53 | brdead | dpkg stfu |
| 01:18.53 | dpkg | it has been said that stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 01:19.01 | jcuk | Xenguy: Got it. (wrote it down) :D |
| 01:19.11 | Xenguy | jcuk: I got a couple of small apps going in wine - it was pretty cool to see them come up... haha |
| 01:19.14 | brdead | :) |
| 01:19.29 | jcuk | Xenguy: Did they run well? |
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| 01:19.33 | jetscreamer | brdead, i believe you |
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| 01:19.52 | jetscreamer | brdead, remember the ops |
| 01:20.02 | Xenguy | jcuk: just fine - it was quite cool -- start with something like solitaire, for example, so you can know your basic wine setup is sound |
| 01:20.06 | jetscreamer | and their intolerance... |
| 01:20.06 | lethal_dose | jetscreamer, dd has a "noerror" option... better than a kick in the head |
| 01:20.14 | jetscreamer | they're a bunch of bastards :) |
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| 01:20.25 | jetscreamer | they'll kick you in a hearbeat :) |
| 01:20.33 | Xenguy | jcuk: er, d0ze app 'sol.exe' |
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| 01:20.43 | AcidChild | oh man i wana kill my isp.. |
| 01:20.52 | AcidChild | :@ |
| 01:20.59 | sobersabre | what's best mtu size for a 1G network ? |
| 01:21.03 | Xenguy | jcuk: then maybe try one of the simpler games and see how it goes |
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| 01:21.53 | Xenguy | AcidChild: irssi :p |
| 01:22.10 | AcidChild | i waz pinging =p |
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| 01:22.23 | Last-try | Ok I got Synaptic working now how can I get it to start up under my user login |
| 01:22.30 | AcidChild | i have lost my connection 4times 2nite. |
| 01:22.31 | AcidChild | :| |
| 01:22.33 | Xenguy | AcidChild: well I'm here |
| 01:22.38 | Last-try | It only works under root |
| 01:22.43 | AcidChild | rofl.. |
| 01:23.22 | shingouz | Last-try: check the groups (or permissions if you are reckless) |
| 01:23.38 | jcuk | Xenguy: Was going to try using VMware to run games not sure if that will work well though. As in it uses VMware graphics acceleration rather my powering directly from my graphics hardware |
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| 01:24.11 | AcidChild | is there away of installing knoppix-std on to harddisk? |
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| 01:24.25 | shingouz | AcidChild: #knoppix :) |
| 01:24.26 | jcuk | Xenguy: I suppose another solution would be to get a lower spec system for running Linux and a higher spec system for running games on windows |
| 01:24.26 | rue_mohr | how do you set up X these days? |
| 01:24.34 | Xenguy | jcuk: I don't know enough to judge about games/VMware. VMware is considered one of the best options for running d0ze/linux together tho |
| 01:24.36 | AcidChild | >>> whois me and see =p |
| 01:24.41 | rue_mohr | XF86Setup dosn't seem to be around anymore |
| 01:24.43 | chealer | !drxx rue_mohr |
| 01:24.44 | dpkg | rue_mohr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:24.47 | AcidChild | is it the same why |
| 01:24.52 | AcidChild | as normal knoppix |
| 01:24.53 | AcidChild | aahh cool |
| 01:24.58 | Xenguy | jcuk: sure - but you gotta try wine at least once - more fun :-) |
| 01:25.03 | ali7288 | hey, whenever i play unreal or america's army the sound lags.... does anyone have/had the same problem and/or can help? |
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| 01:25.19 | rue_mohr | ok.. but if its xf86Config I'm gonna flip... |
| 01:25.28 | TheTom | cutchars! anyone! why doesn't it work.... /me cries |
| 01:25.39 | Last-try | Under root or can I do it under user |
| 01:25.49 | chealer | rue_mohr: you mean you already edited it by hand? |
| 01:25.53 | shingouz | Last-try: check the permissions as root of course |
| 01:26.03 | brdead | night all ;) |
| 01:26.16 | rue_mohr | chealer no I ran xf86config and it made a bogus config file |
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| 01:26.27 | jcuk | Xenguy: Yeah i found it amusing when i used crossover on Fedora core. I used to play an online 2d game called hostilespace. Which was legally only meant for IE On a windows platform. Yet i went on and told em all i was running it on linux the admins told me i shouldent because it wasent on a windows platform. but technically it was as the platform was emulated heh |
| 01:26.33 | rue_mohr | I want xf86Setup :( |
| 01:26.35 | chealer | rue_mohr: drxx will overwrite it after you use dexconf |
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| 01:26.50 | Last-try | I tried that and it came back you must run this program as root user |
| 01:26.54 | rue_mohr | there is no dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:27.02 | Last-try | back in user of course |
| 01:27.04 | rue_mohr | dexconf? |
| 01:27.06 | chealer | rue_mohr: *as root* |
| 01:27.07 | Xenguy | jcuk: heh |
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| 01:27.11 | rue_mohr | yes... |
| 01:27.12 | chealer | rue_mohr: man dexconf |
| 01:27.12 | rue_mohr | I am |
| 01:27.15 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 01:27.25 | jcuk | Xenguy: I have never been able to run VMware on a linux platform at all. Not red hat, not fedora and not even slackware. Hopefully that wont be the case with Debian |
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| 01:27.37 | Last-try | I'll try again |
| 01:27.39 | jcuk | Xenguy: No one could get an answer to my problem so i blamed it on my hardware |
| 01:27.44 | shingouz | chealer: debconf perhaps? |
| 01:27.59 | rue_mohr | haha, wrong terminal... |
| 01:28.03 | rue_mohr | sorryy folks |
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| 01:28.26 | chealer | shingouz: there's also a dexconf command only useful for X config |
| 01:28.30 | varvi | Does anybody know if there is a worm out ore something my three systems just got fucked |
| 01:28.36 | Xenguy | rue_mohr: try -> apt-get install debconf |
| 01:28.50 | Xenguy | rue_mohr: to get 'dpkg-reconfigure' |
| 01:28.56 | shingouz | chealer: ok, i have to rtfm too it seems :) |
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| 01:29.04 | chealer | shingouz: just like me :) |
| 01:29.09 | brad | anyone here have any trouble installing mplayer before? |
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| 01:29.28 | Xenguy | jcuk: I ran VMware on Debian at my old job (ran W98 under Linux) |
| 01:29.39 | Xenguy | jcuk: it worked well for my purposes |
| 01:30.09 | varvi | Does anybody know if there is a worm out ore something my three systems just got fucked |
| 01:30.19 | chealer | !tell varvi about repeat |
| 01:30.25 | Xenguy | varvi: define "fucked" |
| 01:30.26 | jcuk | Xenguy: What do you work as now? |
| 01:30.48 | Xenguy | jcuk: systems job |
| 01:31.00 | jcuk | Xenguy: Which country? |
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| 01:31.17 | Xenguy | jcuk: I'm from Canada - you? |
| 01:31.24 | lunaphyte | hi |
| 01:31.24 | jcuk | Xenguy: Scotland |
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| 01:31.36 | brad | does anyone here have mplayer working or know if there is a packge for it? |
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| 01:31.43 | TheTom | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.47 | TheTom | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.48 | apt | i heard /mail/ is usually used by mutt for holding lots and lots of mailboxes |
| 01:32.00 | juhov | brad: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:32.04 | jcuk | Xenguy: I never seem to get any form of information that linux even exists in my country. I always seem to have to speak with people from the US and Canada |
| 01:32.13 | Xenguy | jcuk: my heritage is Irish/Scottish - we visited Scotland 2 years ago for the first time - I loved it |
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| 01:32.32 | brad | ty juhov |
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| 01:33.10 | Xenguy | jcuk: there is a LUG there I'm pretty sure in (trying to remember the name of the city...) |
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| 01:33.33 | jcuk | Xenguy: Yeah i hear Canada is much related to scotland and like it in many ways |
| 01:33.39 | jcuk | Xenguy: LUG? |
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| 01:33.44 | Xenguy | jcuk: not Edinburough, but the other main one... |
| 01:33.51 | Xenguy | jcuk: Linux User Group |
| 01:33.56 | jcuk | Xenguy: Glasgow |
| 01:34.03 | Xenguy | jcuk: bingo - that's it |
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| 01:34.17 | lunaphyte | i though LUG was Loose Underwear Garment. |
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| 01:34.23 | [EricS] | Hi, can any1 just give me the command to reduce my log? logrotate gives segmentation fault on amd64 (or I'm doing something wroong). I've 1GB+ and now reach 95% of my partition |
| 01:34.25 | Xenguy | lunaphyte: hahah |
| 01:34.28 | jcuk | Xenguy: I see. ill look it up |
| 01:34.35 | cycom | mmm....apt-get. |
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| 01:35.03 | varvi | Xenguy: fx: -bash: /usr/bin/last: Input/output error |
| 01:35.04 | Xenguy | jcuk: I'm pretty sure they have an IRC channel too - I checked it out for a bit before we travelled. |
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| 01:35.20 | Xenguy | varvi: was that for me? |
| 01:35.31 | varvi | [02:30] <Xenguy> varvi: define "fucked" |
| 01:35.31 | varvi | [02:30] <jcuk> Xenguy: What do you work as now |
| 01:35.42 | Xenguy | varvi: nod |
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| 01:35.47 | varvi | nod? |
| 01:36.12 | Xenguy | varvi: a nod of the head, gotcha, roger, I see, etc. |
| 01:36.22 | varvi | oki |
| 01:36.27 | jcuk | Xenguy: Well i speak with teachers at my high school and some of them have heard of linux but havent really gotten used to it or even used it whatsoever. One computing teacher has a friend who has been trying it out though |
| 01:36.28 | varvi | do you have any idea? |
| 01:37.12 | lunaphyte | i'm having trouble with pam-ldap and sarge. any suggestions on settings i might be overlooking? |
| 01:37.12 | Xenguy | jcuk: linux advocacy is a full-time job ;-) |
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| 01:37.24 | jcuk | Xenguy: You get paid a lot? |
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| 01:37.37 | Xenguy | varvi: what command were you trying to run that gave that error? |
| 01:37.56 | jcuk | Xenguy: I wanted a career in Network Administration But id like to consider a career in Linux Networking and Linux Engineering |
| 01:37.58 | juhov | varvi: I'd suspect the disk, especially if you get that error for other commands too |
| 01:38.00 | dragonfly | i am using ksirc but cannot find a place to make it automatically join channels when i connect to a given server...where is that option at? |
| 01:38.09 | Xenguy | jcuk: I prefer not to discuss details too personal on public IRC, but I do OK at the moment. |
| 01:38.24 | jcuk | Xenguy: I Apologise. |
| 01:38.54 | Xenguy | jcuk: no need to - just stating my preference :-) |
| 01:38.57 | varvi | Xenguy: last, but its not olny that cmd there are fucked |
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| 01:39.11 | jcuk | Xenguy: I have heard A Windows Engineer would get paid a Fraction of what a Linux/UNIX Engineer would. |
| 01:39.24 | Xenguy | varvi: so what changed/happened -- do you know? |
| 01:39.34 | juhov | varvi: check dmesg, do you see anything suspicious there |
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| 01:39.48 | varvi | Xenguy: a five hours everything worked, then just in a sec all was fucked |
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| 01:39.56 | jcuk | Ok im off to resize and partition my hdd. bbiab |
| 01:39.57 | Frater_Sx | hello |
| 01:40.22 | Xenguy | jcuk: do what you are interested in - that is most important. Don't just do a job for the money - it'll suck the soul right out of you. |
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| 01:40.48 | Xenguy | varvi: and you don't have any idea of what went wrong, or caused the trouble? |
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| 01:41.03 | GyrosGeier | Aargh |
| 01:41.08 | varvi | Xenguy: no idea. |
| 01:41.12 | GyrosGeier | Cocoon still won |
| 01:41.16 | GyrosGeier | Cocoon still won't run |
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| 01:41.45 | Xenguy | varvi: are you able to run an 'fsck' ? |
| 01:41.56 | jsn | I'd like to check that my identd server is configured correctly. Any suggestions? |
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| 01:42.08 | varvi | Xenguy: fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) |
| 01:42.45 | TheTom | how do i disable the ugly colors when i do ls? i tried adding alias ls="ls --colors=never" in my ~/.zshrc but it doesn't work |
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| 01:43.28 | juhov | TheTom: check the spelling, it's --color, not --colors |
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| 01:43.55 | TheTom | juhov: yesh. i spelled wrong here |
| 01:43.56 | TheTom | alias ls="ls -F --color=never" |
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| 01:43.59 | shingouz | TheTom: you also have to logout/login to get the stuff to work |
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| 01:44.08 | juhov | TheTom: ah, sorry |
| 01:44.37 | TheTom | shingouz: at least log in. i've done that |
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| 01:45.11 | TheTom | oh. sorry all. that was suddenly a bash shell. :/ |
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| 01:45.24 | shingouz | TheTom: :) |
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| 01:45.32 | varvi | Xenguy: :) ?` |
| 01:45.34 | BucWheat | what is the linux command to see what pci devices are installed in computer ? |
| 01:45.41 | juhov | BucWheat: lspci |
| 01:45.43 | hydrogen | lspci |
| 01:45.53 | juhov | BucWheat: install pciutils if you don't have it |
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| 01:46.26 | Xenguy | varvi: normally it is necessary to unmount a drive before 'fsck'ing it -- I'm trying to remember the proper procedure for a drive already mounted |
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| 01:46.38 | varvi | oki |
| 01:46.39 | dbron_ | hi all, I have looked in the docs and don't see a way to force rsync to write a full path, anyone know that flag? |
| 01:46.44 | Tails | just type lspci |
| 01:47.16 | juhov | Xenguy: mount -o remount,ro / ? |
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| 01:48.10 | Xenguy | juhov: could be, I've never done that, and I just don't know :-/ |
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| 01:48.31 | Xenguy | varvi: you may want to ask the channel how to fsck your drive when it is already mounted. |
| 01:48.33 | jsn | Tjere |
| 01:48.36 | shingouz | juhov: the command looks correct, im not sure if it works on root tho |
| 01:48.59 | juhov | shingouz: it should |
| 01:49.13 | netcatC | dbron_:dbron_: |
| 01:49.13 | shingouz | juhov: i'm not going to try it out :) |
| 01:49.14 | BucWheat | juhov, hydrogen thanks |
| 01:49.22 | peterS | dbron: what do you want rsync to do? I don't understand the question. describe it in more detail, would you? |
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| 01:50.37 | dbron | peterS: of course I found it right after I asked, the flag is a |
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| 01:50.48 | meff | how do i make openoffice.org use kde's themes and open dialog, etc? i've installed openoffice.org-kde and have tried deleting my openoffice dot files and looking in the OO settings.. |
| 01:50.57 | peterS | dbron: heh, yeah |
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| 01:51.12 | Xenguy | varvi: do you have a 'rescue disk' of any kind? |
| 01:51.20 | dbron | peterS: I wanted /etc/dir/dir/dir/file to be written that way, not just the file name, which is what was happening to me without the a |
| 01:51.32 | varvi | Xenguy: theese servers are in a datacenter ;( |
| 01:52.06 | ArtyObs | meff: tick "apply kde settings to non-kde applications" box in kde control center |
| 01:52.13 | Xenguy | varvi: OK, you may want to google a bit for how to handle an fsck on a drive that is already mounted (I'm doing the same) |
| 01:52.31 | jsn | _where_ is pidentd? Does it simply replace /usr/sbin/identd? |
| 01:52.46 | varvi | Xenguy: oki |
| 01:52.51 | jsn | No /etc, nothing in /etc/init.d HOw does it get configured? |
| 01:52.54 | burd | something weird just happened to me and I'm not sure if it's something that needs to be managed or not but I thought I should at the very least pass it along... just a few minutes ago while running konsole as root and having apt download packages, I closed the terminal it was running in and apt continued to run as root.. I would assume that this could potentially be hazardous should the wrong process stay running as root user.. n |
| 01:52.54 | burd | ot sure though |
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| 01:53.44 | burd | oh lemme clarify that.. i was su root in console |
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| 01:54.20 | drasko | I have a problem with sound - I can't hear nothing... |
| 01:54.24 | Xenguy | varvi: "It is extremely important that a file system not be mounted when it is checked using fsck, or if it is mounted that that it is mounted read-only. Otherwise, fsck and other some other process may both try to alter the file system at the same time resulting in disaster." |
| 01:54.30 | reNegad3 | turn the volume up |
| 01:54.33 | jsn | How come apt didn't stop when you "exit"ed? Was it a background job with nohup? |
| 01:54.39 | juhov | drasko: check mixer settings, alsa has everything muted by default |
| 01:54.47 | Pu|as | hi i need info for debian irc-dancer |
| 01:54.58 | peterS | jsn: 'dpkg -L' knows everything |
| 01:55.00 | kalila | using rsync, if i delete a file from the source dir it wont be deleted from the destination dir after running rsync again, how to make rsync make an exact copy (including deleting) |
| 01:55.04 | burd | jsn: no absolutely not.. I was su watching the download.. had to leave and closed konsole and the process continued to run |
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| 01:55.18 | varvi | Xenguy: my system is read-only |
| 01:55.23 | kalila | nm |
| 01:55.24 | jsn | closed the console. Doesn't sound like reality to me. |
| 01:55.32 | burd | jsn: konsole |
| 01:55.38 | burd | sorry |
| 01:55.42 | juhov | burd: sorry but I don't get what you mean. if you started apt-get as root, then it will obviously run as root user until it exits |
| 01:55.48 | Xenguy | varvi: phone - brb |
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| 01:56.01 | burd | juhov: when I closed that console that process should have terminated |
| 01:56.12 | burd | konsole sorry |
| 01:56.18 | drasko | juhov, yep just saw the pcm slider... Emberacing, but reNegad3 was right :) |
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| 01:56.49 | jsn | Thx, peterS. I hope I get the full hang of this someday (and it doesn't decide to change that day :) |
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| 01:56.58 | samtouli | f |
| 01:57.05 | jetscreamer | on both startup and shutdown, i get cdrom: open failed. wtf. my fstab line is /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,users,noauto,gid=24,uid=1001 0 0 |
| 01:57.08 | reNegad3 | ;P |
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| 01:57.39 | shingouz | jetscreamer: do you have very long ide cables? |
| 01:57.47 | jetscreamer | not extremely long |
| 01:58.01 | jetscreamer | they're not the short ones, more like regular. |
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| 01:58.23 | burd | anyhow it's never done it before today and I just thought I would pass it along in case something comes up concerning it or it happens to more than one person |
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| 01:58.38 | shingouz | jetscreamer: jsut that i had a similar problem here with an old aptiva and the media console on it. four feet of cables, i had to disable dma on the cdrom to get it to work |
| 01:58.48 | jetscreamer | shingouz, does that happen? i just recently reattached the cable. |
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| 01:58.57 | shingouz | jetscreamer: yes it happens |
| 01:59.02 | jetscreamer | the cdrom works, it's just that i get that error. |
| 01:59.02 | shingouz | unfortunately... :( |
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| 01:59.13 | reNegad3 | drasko, I spent hours once, setting up drivers updating them blah blah blah, and all it was the connection to the amp was loose :( |
| 01:59.17 | jetscreamer | i'll reseat the cable then, thanks. (worked before) |
| 01:59.19 | shingouz | jetscreamer: check what hdparm has to tell you |
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| 02:00.26 | slocate | hi, anybody happens to be familiar with using psybnc with BitchX or even better irssi? |
| 02:00.34 | claviola | anyone on a powerpc (or any other big-endian arch) with a sound card willing to help me test something? |
| 02:00.49 | timecop | HI. Need help with mod_rewrite. followed sample on http://www.workingwith.me.uk/articles/scripting/mod_rewrite/ it doesnt fucking work. |
| 02:00.52 | timecop | # RewriteRule ^page,([^,\.]+)/?$ page.php?page=$1 [L] |
| 02:00.53 | timecop | RewriteRule ^page/([^/\.]+)/?$ page.php?page=$1 [L] |
| 02:01.03 | chealer | timecop: #apache |
| 02:01.06 | timecop | no. |
| 02:01.09 | timecop | they arent talking there. |
| 02:01.10 | jetscreamer | shingouz, which switch should i apply to hdparm? (all i know is -T) :) manning atm |
| 02:01.12 | netcatC | dbron_: do you have rsync on your computer ? |
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| 02:01.19 | Yellowshark | hi all |
| 02:01.21 | claviola | timecop: how goes the GNAA? |
| 02:01.24 | timecop | great |
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| 02:01.26 | drasko | reNegad3, juhov tnx! |
| 02:01.30 | timecop | now help me with fucking mod_rewrite. |
| 02:01.33 | dbron | netcatC: yes |
| 02:01.36 | claviola | heh. |
| 02:01.40 | slocate | hello |
| 02:01.46 | netcatC | okay |
| 02:01.56 | giocondo | anyone know xs26? |
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| 02:02.10 | slocate | hi, anybody happens to be familiar with using psybnc with BitchX or even better irssi? |
| 02:02.16 | jetscreamer | DMA modes: sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2 |
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| 02:02.53 | Yellowshark | I'm having some difficulty getting getting sound to output when playing a DVD in gxine. The sound works properly if I play an ogg or mp3 from xine, and the DVD video seems to be working properly, however there is no sound. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 02:03.02 | isma | . |
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| 02:03.13 | timecop | fucking idiots |
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| 02:03.18 | TCW | Does anyone know what criteria the scripts under /etc/dev.d/default/ have? Or, are they started in a fixed order? |
| 02:03.21 | Yellowshark | minus one getting :-) |
| 02:03.35 | jetscreamer | Yellowshark, i personally found that it matters which front end to xine you use. i use xine-ui |
| 02:03.50 | isma | i just installed ubuntu 4.10 today and it did not autodetect my sound card (ESS Allegro) i've been googling all day for a possible solutions but i cant find any... HelP? |
| 02:04.00 | chealer | isma: #ubuntu |
| 02:04.09 | jetscreamer | Yellowshark, works for me. audio even. |
| 02:04.12 | jetscreamer | been there. |
| 02:04.18 | jetscreamer | !ubuntu |
| 02:04.19 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 02:04.21 | isma | i am at ubuntu also |
| 02:04.28 | Yellowshark | jetscreamer: I'll go ahead and install xine-ui to see if it works there |
| 02:04.49 | isma | cant seem to find a debian driver that works for maestro3 |
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| 02:04.56 | chealer | isma: being on a channel isn't an excuse for being offtopic on another one |
| 02:05.01 | jetscreamer | Yellowshark, might be a lack of codecs, or registered codecs or something also. |
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| 02:05.05 | isma | oh sorry |
| 02:05.12 | jetscreamer | no idea, i use the shotgun approach. |
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| 02:05.16 | isma | kinda hoped someone here knew something |
| 02:05.40 | jetscreamer | !tell isma about alsa-bork |
| 02:06.18 | isma | so sorry |
| 02:06.32 | peterS | isma: well ... if you've got ALSA modules available, there should be a 'snd-maestro3' |
| 02:06.32 | Yellowshark | jetscreamer: how about that, when I use xine-ui, the sound works fine! |
| 02:06.33 | isma | bye |
| 02:06.38 | shingouz | jetscreamer: sec, got some caffeine and i'll check the manpage |
| 02:06.40 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 02:06.41 | Xenguy | varvi: you know what - this documentation I'm googling is just aweful. They tell you not to fsck a mounted drive, but they don't offer a solution for how to fsck the main drive... |
| 02:06.45 | GyrosGeier | w00t! |
| 02:06.56 | GyrosGeier | now it works |
| 02:06.58 | isma | wow thanx |
| 02:06.58 | TCW | isma, in general... try to find out what module that card / chip needs |
| 02:07.00 | isma | ill try |
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| 02:07.09 | Yellowshark | jetscreamer: thanks! |
| 02:07.10 | varvi | Xenguy: lol :) |
| 02:07.15 | jetscreamer | np |
| 02:07.17 | Xenguy | varvi: I think you are going to have to hack this yourself, cos I am out of time here - sorry I couldn't help you out more |
| 02:07.19 | isma | its a maestro3 |
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| 02:07.28 | isma | ive been modprobing it all day |
| 02:07.29 | isma | hehe |
| 02:07.32 | varvi | Xenguy: its okay |
| 02:07.32 | mrbrain | i am upgrading my kernel from remote but i keep getting a kernel panic...is there a way i can have it log so when i reboot i can see what it err'd on? |
| 02:07.33 | varvi | cya |
| 02:07.33 | isma | nothing happens |
| 02:07.34 | isma | lol |
| 02:07.42 | jetscreamer | isma, apt-get install modconf, use it |
| 02:07.51 | Xenguy | varvi: I'm surprised no one here knows how to handle it actually |
| 02:07.58 | hydrogen | mrbrain: wouldnt your system logger log boot sequence? |
| 02:08.03 | Xenguy | varvi: biab |
| 02:08.04 | peterS | isma: yeah, 'snd-maestro3' claims to handle both maestro3 and allegro |
| 02:08.04 | isma | thanx... br |
| 02:08.06 | isma | brb |
| 02:08.12 | peterS | isma: so does the 'maestro3' non-alsa driver, if you prefer to try that |
| 02:08.20 | mrbrain | hydrogen: it does but it wpes my dmesg file when i reboot successfully |
| 02:08.22 | cycom | wow. and apt-get install kde proves that kde takes forever to install on EVERYTHING :) |
| 02:08.25 | jetscreamer | mrbrain, usually kernel panics when doing kernels is lack of proper initrd configuration in the bootloader's conf |
| 02:08.33 | shingouz | jetscreamer: first hdparm /dev/hdwhatever to get the current setup, -d is the switch to set dma |
| 02:08.54 | giocondo | anyone can help me to add ipv6 to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 02:08.55 | chealer | cycom: kde is a very large metapackage. check wiki.debian.net/?DebianKDE |
| 02:08.57 | mrbrain | jetscreamer: yea ive been trying all sorts of combos and i just cant get it to work |
| 02:08.58 | jetscreamer | mrbrain, see /var/log/syslog and syslog.0 |
| 02:09.10 | cycom | chealer: I know. |
| 02:09.14 | asg | varvi: you /msg'd me? |
| 02:09.21 | jetscreamer | less /var/log/syslog |
| 02:09.24 | shingouz | jetscreamer: to get mine to work i had to disable "dma by default" in the kernel too |
| 02:09.25 | jetscreamer | et al |
| 02:09.35 | cycom | chealer: I once waited a few DAYS for it to install on gentoo, but that was compiling everything. :) |
| 02:09.45 | shingouz | otoh, the fscking thing has at least four feet of ide cable |
| 02:09.47 | jetscreamer | shingouz, my cdrom works, and burns too. it's just i get that weird msg |
| 02:09.55 | chealer | cycom: haha. I really would choose kde-core |
| 02:10.02 | shingouz | jetscreamer: so did mine |
| 02:10.08 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 02:10.17 | jetscreamer | i have yet to reseat the cable |
| 02:10.24 | shingouz | :) |
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| 02:10.35 | shingouz | jetscreamer: hardware hacking at its best :p |
| 02:10.37 | jetscreamer | i'll try that first since it's the last thing i changed then it started giving me that |
| 02:10.59 | jetscreamer | at first the cdrom wouldn't work with a cd-rw even |
| 02:11.00 | shingouz | jetscreamer: you dont happen to have anew kernel there now? |
| 02:11.11 | jetscreamer | i recompiled yesterday |
| 02:11.18 | shingouz | jetscreamer: you just may have a dirty lens on the cd too |
| 02:11.30 | shingouz | and check the .config on the kernel just in case |
| 02:11.46 | jetscreamer | what i wonder is why would i get cdrom open failed, when the system is shutting down :) |
| 02:11.59 | shingouz | no idea on that :) |
| 02:12.11 | asg | jetscreamer: it wanted to spit out the 'Richard Marx' you had in there? |
| 02:12.14 | BucWheat | where is IDE/SCSI in make menuconfig ? i need to enable them instead of M |
| 02:12.14 | jetscreamer | all i changed is i made nfs modular |
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| 02:12.27 | shingouz | jetscreamer: maybe it is in windows emulation mode and wants to see the installation media? |
| 02:12.27 | kiowas | hello |
| 02:12.59 | jetscreamer | i put a woody cd in and it worked though :o |
| 02:13.24 | jetscreamer | nah the cdrw was blank (at first) |
| 02:13.36 | jetscreamer | but it wouldn't read/register it |
| 02:13.46 | shingouz | dirty lens perhaps? |
| 02:13.58 | jetscreamer | i'm thinking cable. |
| 02:14.11 | jetscreamer | no biggie though. |
| 02:14.18 | shingouz | nope |
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| 02:14.21 | kiowas | anyone know where I can get a copy of the default kernel .config file for Debian? it doesnt seem to be configured with /proc/config.gz |
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| 02:14.27 | jetscreamer | next time i reboot... (5 years from now!) |
| 02:14.35 | asg | kiowas: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 02:14.36 | BucWheat | where is IDE/SCSI in make menuconfig ? i need to enable them instead of M |
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| 02:15.11 | kiowas | asg, thanks |
| 02:15.12 | jetscreamer | kiowas, make menuconfig automagically uses /boot/config-`uname -r` for a default .config, on first run. |
| 02:15.15 | asg | kiowas: you're welcome |
| 02:15.18 | shingouz | BucWheat: iirc ide is in block devices |
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| 02:15.42 | BucWheat | shingouz as well as scsi ? |
| 02:15.44 | White_Rabbit | hey |
| 02:15.50 | asg | jude |
| 02:15.54 | jetscreamer | scsi is under scsi, strangely enough |
| 02:16.02 | White_Rabbit | YOU STUPID CUNTS |
| 02:16.02 | jetscreamer | which is under block maybe |
| 02:16.02 | shingouz | BucWheat: there is a scsi part pretty close to the ide thingies |
| 02:16.08 | jetscreamer | !ops White_Rabbit |
| 02:16.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: White_Rabbit |
| 02:16.11 | White_Rabbit | ROFL YOU NO LIFE SONS OF BITCHES |
| 02:16.15 | White_Rabbit | GET CANCER |
| 02:16.18 | White_Rabbit | NOBODY LOVES YOU |
| 02:16.19 | BucWheat | shingouz k. all under block devices thanks |
| 02:16.20 | White_Rabbit | YOU SUCK AT LIFE |
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| 02:16.25 | shingouz | White_Rabbit: get windows |
| 02:16.27 | jetscreamer | go ask alice |
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| 02:16.38 | asg | ElectricElf: thanks |
| 02:16.42 | ElectricElf | No probs |
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| 02:16.44 | jetscreamer | you forgot the /kick :) |
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| 02:16.50 | ElectricElf | jetscreamer: I normally don't bother |
| 02:16.55 | jetscreamer | ah him go anyway |
| 02:16.59 | BucWheat | hehe is white_rabbit a regular hehe |
| 02:17.02 | shingouz | ElectricElf: youre too nice ;) |
| 02:17.35 | asg | BucWheat: not now |
| 02:17.39 | shingouz | heh |
| 02:17.41 | BucWheat | i see |
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| 02:17.57 | asg | BucWheat: besides, regulars know how to work capslock |
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| 02:18.25 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 02:18.34 | typo | how do I give regular users access to devices in /proc/bus/usb? |
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| 02:18.57 | Stravinsky | hi, i'm trying to shutdown the computer at a given time, any leads? (tried editing crontab already :-\ ) |
| 02:19.23 | jetscreamer | man shutdown iirc, i could be worng |
| 02:19.26 | shingouz | typo: /dev/usb |
| 02:19.28 | jetscreamer | but i think it does that |
| 02:20.05 | Stravinsky | yes i know the command but that isnt what i intended |
| 02:20.09 | jetscreamer | yeah man shutdown, your answer is there |
| 02:20.24 | jetscreamer | will shut down at specified time, as well as specified length of time |
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| 02:21.04 | Stravinsky | well does it work like "shutdown everyday at 9:10 am" |
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| 02:21.25 | jetscreamer | i see you didn't man it... yes it will. |
| 02:21.34 | shingouz | Stravinsky: yes iirc. man shutdown |
| 02:21.47 | isma | lol dpkg is a fun bot |
| 02:21.54 | jetscreamer | i manned it and found out in the time after you asked. |
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| 02:21.59 | chealer | isma: more than fun, very useful :) |
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| 02:22.07 | chealer | !tell isma about ubuntu |
| 02:22.11 | chealer | see? :-P |
| 02:22.17 | Stravinsky | jetscreamer: ah that parameter called _time_ |
| 02:22.34 | juhov | Stravinsky: why didn't running shutdown via cron work, by the way? |
| 02:22.37 | isma | yea |
| 02:22.39 | isma | saw that already |
| 02:22.41 | isma | hehe |
| 02:23.04 | isma | been trying out distros and i installed debian on my bro's desktop |
| 02:23.06 | isma | pretty cool |
| 02:23.11 | isma | smooth install |
| 02:23.12 | isma | :) |
| 02:23.19 | Stravinsky | juhov: i edited crontab but it didnt result, could be my fault |
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| 02:24.00 | maneit | Hi! does anyone know how to setup artsd to use network to play files? |
| 02:24.01 | juhov | Stravinsky: did you get errors in the logs or anything? |
| 02:24.10 | chealer | isma: try this : /msg dpkg enter that's an idea from shingouz :) |
| 02:24.17 | duckdown | Hey.. I just installed sarge, but I thought I selected only KDE, but apparently it did both GNOME and KDE.. I know that KDM is running, but once I login it loads GNOME.. How do I set it all up: |
| 02:24.31 | asg | duckdown: #debian-kde |
| 02:24.49 | jetscreamer | duckdown, that's tasksel desktop for you |
| 02:24.53 | Xenguy | varvi: /a0 |
| 02:24.57 | Xenguy | varvi: sorry |
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| 02:25.01 | jetscreamer | if kdm is running you choose the sessin |
| 02:25.04 | jetscreamer | session |
| 02:25.05 | isma | hehehehe, sorry, i had not noticed i was flooding the channel. Im just used to instant messengers |
| 02:25.17 | jetscreamer | when you log in |
| 02:25.20 | duckdown | let me see |
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| 02:25.28 | jetscreamer | right hand bottom button |
| 02:25.36 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 02:25.52 | thomas_adam | if test pgrep kde; then thomas_adam_runs_a_mile; fi |
| 02:25.58 | Xenguy | varvi: most of the documentation seems to be saying you have to go to 'single-user mode' and run the fsck when the filesystem is mounted read-only (but you say you are already read-only, which I don't really understand)... |
| 02:26.14 | Xenguy | varvi: I'm going to continue ready up on this, cos I'm pissed off now ;-) |
| 02:26.27 | jetscreamer | doesn't shutdown -Fr now give you that, Xenguy ? |
| 02:26.27 | Xenguy | varvi: s/ready/reading |
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| 02:26.52 | jetscreamer | or is it different |
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| 02:27.12 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: could be - varvi needs a way to fsck his main drive -- that's what I'm trying to get information on |
| 02:27.32 | asg | thomas_adam: only a mile? I'd stab myself with a fork. |
| 02:27.40 | ^c | easiest way would be to use a livecd |
| 02:27.42 | thomas_adam | asg: Ha! |
| 02:28.13 | giocondo | anyone can help me to understand how i can add ipv6 to interfaces in debian? |
| 02:28.18 | asg | Xenguy: touch /forcefsck ; reboot |
| 02:28.36 | jetscreamer | giocondo, loading the modules is one step. |
| 02:28.45 | giocondo | no problem jetscreamer |
| 02:28.52 | thomas_adam | jetscreamer: No, compiling it via the kernel is the first step. |
| 02:28.54 | giocondo | i'm to able to add ipv6 with bash script |
| 02:29.02 | giocondo | and it works :) |
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| 02:29.13 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 02:29.28 | thomas_adam | giocondo: you mean like: echo -e "modulename\nmodulename2" >> /etc/modules ? |
| 02:29.28 | giocondo | thomas_adams i've the kernel monolitic with grsecurity :) |
| 02:29.47 | Stravinsky | juhov: i didnt find no errors in syslog (related to cron) |
| 02:29.54 | giocondo | it's not the problem add ipv6 with a bash script |
| 02:29.56 | giocondo | it's simple |
| 02:30.10 | giocondo | but when i add a row in interfaces |
| 02:30.15 | giocondo | it's dont works. |
| 02:30.25 | giocondo | where i can paste example? |
| 02:30.30 | asg | giocondo: #flood |
| 02:30.51 | scatterp | asg earlyer you told me setings |
| 02:30.56 | ^c | ipv6 was turned on by default for me, I had to turn it off to get my wifi card to work |
| 02:30.57 | scatterp | for my laptop screen |
| 02:31.02 | scatterp | could you remind me please |
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| 02:31.52 | scatterp | i remember the res the colors i just dont remeber the horizontal and vertical setings |
| 02:32.09 | asg | scatterp: yes, the driver was 'ati', the resolution was 1024x768 at 16 bit, the h/v was HorizSync 30-60 VertRefresh 50-75 |
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| 02:33.00 | giwe | What does this mean " an entry in the hosts file to cover the domain name" |
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| 02:33.24 | giocondo | http://rafb.net/paste/results/zYq4cy19.html |
| 02:33.36 | scatterp | asg i never got my driver for wifi installed some one tryed recompileing the kernel box died |
| 02:33.46 | asg | scatterp: :/ |
| 02:33.51 | scatterp | could you help me with that too in a few mins |
| 02:33.57 | anarcat | hey everyone |
| 02:33.58 | scatterp | ive been off work sick for 2 days on this |
| 02:34.02 | anarcat | i'm having problem activating swap here |
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| 02:34.19 | anarcat | /sbin/mkswap -c -v0 /usr/scratch/swapfile |
| 02:34.20 | anarcat | mkswap: error: swap area needs to be at least 40kB |
| 02:34.26 | anarcat | the file is 1.1GB |
| 02:34.31 | asg | scatterp: I'm about to go to bed; someone else will though |
| 02:34.33 | anarcat | -v1 does the same |
| 02:34.40 | giocondo | thomas_adams i've pasted |
| 02:34.46 | giocondo | can you see please? |
| 02:34.49 | scatterp | asg pepole always try recompileing it dies etc |
| 02:34.56 | scatterp | you know exactly what to do |
| 02:34.59 | asg | scatterp: dies in what way? |
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| 02:35.09 | anarcat | any ideas? |
| 02:35.12 | scatterp | oh man i dont even want to go in to it |
| 02:35.19 | scatterp | i had to reinstall after 4 hours of it |
| 02:35.29 | asg | scatterp: does it die with sig11 errors? |
| 02:35.35 | peterS | anarcat: swap v0 does not support that size |
| 02:35.40 | peterS | anarcat: it's limited to 128 MB |
| 02:35.44 | anarcat | peterS: i get the same with -v1 |
| 02:35.45 | scatterp | no they killed the file system some how hda3 wouldnt mount |
| 02:35.57 | giwe | Does anyone know how to stop exim4 from hanging at book where not network connection is available? |
| 02:35.57 | anarcat | /sbin/mkswap -c -v1 /usr/scratch/swapfile |
| 02:35.59 | anarcat | mkswap: error: swap area needs to be at least 40kB |
| 02:36.00 | anarcat | yep |
| 02:36.02 | asg | scatterp: oh, it compiled but wouldn't boot? |
| 02:36.13 | scatterp | yes |
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| 02:36.24 | Xenguy | asg: tx - I don't know if varvi is still with us or what, but hopefully he'll take that into account too |
| 02:36.32 | scatterp | ive downloaded 3 seprate installs 4 now |
| 02:36.34 | asg | Xenguy: hopefully |
| 02:36.37 | thomas_adam | giocondo: I don't mind helping you, but I'd rather you didn't PM me as per the channel's guidelines. |
| 02:36.39 | peterS | anarcat: how did you create the 1.1 GB file? |
| 02:36.41 | thomas_adam | !tell giocondo -about msg |
| 02:36.47 | anarcat | peterS: dd |
| 02:36.52 | anarcat | peterS: let's try with a 100m file: |
| 02:37.04 | anarcat | dd if=/dev/zero of=100m bs=1M count=100 |
| 02:37.08 | anarcat | 104857600 bytes transferred in 2,820141 seconds (37181688 bytes/sec) |
| 02:37.14 | anarcat | /sbin/mkswap -c -v1 /usr/scratch/100m |
| 02:37.14 | anarcat | mkswap: error: swap area needs to be at least 40kB |
| 02:37.16 | anarcat | Usage: mkswap [-c] [-v0|-v1] [-pPAGESZ] /dev/name [blocks] |
| 02:37.35 | peterS | anarcat: -c shouldn't be needed. the rest, I don't see what the problem is |
| 02:37.43 | anarcat | really |
| 02:37.43 | asg | anarcat: try just doing 'mkswap /usr/scratch/100m' |
| 02:37.51 | anarcat | there's no other swap... maybe that's the problem? |
| 02:37.59 | anarcat | mkswap 100m |
| 02:37.59 | anarcat | mkswap: error: swap area needs to be at least 40kB |
| 02:38.24 | anarcat | maybe the swap area needs to fit the pagesize? |
| 02:38.30 | anarcat | i read something about this... |
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| 02:38.57 | thomas_adam | giocondo: You just /msg'd me again -- why? |
| 02:38.57 | doleyb | Help: I'm trying to netinst onto a SATA drive. Both grub & lilo fail, lilo complaining that /dev/sda doesn't exist. What can i do? |
| 02:39.09 | thomas_adam | doleyb: #debian-boot |
| 02:39.16 | giocondo | sorry thomas_adams |
| 02:39.19 | duckdown | I'm trying make menuconfig, and I selected all the standard ncurses packages during install, but its telling me to install ncurses-devel, but apt-get install ncurses-devel yields nothing like that |
| 02:39.23 | doleyb | Ok, i'll go bother the developer chan then. |
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| 02:39.28 | lmr | I want to set up open source linux based VOIP SIP server any recm. plz |
| 02:39.30 | asg | duckdown: libncurses5-dev |
| 02:39.35 | thomas_adam | giocondo: It's Thomas Adam -- note "Adam" in the singular, not plural. |
| 02:39.38 | giocondo | thank you very much |
| 02:39.43 | giocondo | sorry for your disturb. |
| 02:39.47 | anarcat | so, i'm the weird one again eh? :) |
| 02:39.54 | duckdown | asg: thanks |
| 02:39.56 | peterS | thomas_adam: |
| 02:40.01 | thomas_adam | asg: Pah! :P |
| 02:40.02 | thomas_adam | peterS: |
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| 02:40.27 | BucWheat | why does exim install even if i do not select to have it installed ? i'm reinstalling sarge |
| 02:40.44 | asg | BucWheat: because you have to have an mta and that is the one debian uses by default |
| 02:41.05 | afabian | uninstall it and install sendmail later, if it makes you happy. :-D |
| 02:41.11 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 02:41.12 | asg | BucWheat: use ssmtp or nullmailer if that makes no sense or scares you |
| 02:41.18 | asg | abrotman: ah, thanks |
| 02:41.23 | abrotman | or if you don't know how to configure exim |
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| 02:41.34 | abrotman | thomas_adam: gruyere? |
| 02:41.37 | anarcat | La Maudite! |
| 02:41.39 | anarcat | that's from here :) |
| 02:41.42 | asg | anarcat: yes |
| 02:41.43 | giocondo | anyone can help me with ipv6 add to interface in debian? |
| 02:41.45 | thomas_adam | abrotman: No, 'nullmailer' :P |
| 02:41.47 | michal_ | hi. does anyone know if xen needs a special kernel on the server or just on the guest os's? |
| 02:41.50 | abrotman | thomas_adam: gruyere? |
| 02:41.52 | asg | anarcat: hard as piss to get in the lower 48 though |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 02:41.56 | dpkg | [cheesesteak] http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak, or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 02:42.01 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Over the weekend, I'm hoping to try that. |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | and .. while i'm at it |
| 02:42.09 | abrotman | !crabpastesmite thomas_adam |
| 02:42.10 | duckdown | AArgh.. Now make menuconfig for some reason says "using defaults found in /boot/config-2.4.27-1-386" for some reason, even though I'm trying a 2.6.10 kernel, and now my screen is flooded with stuff like: /boot/config-2.4.27-1-386:48: trying to assign nonexistent symbol CPU_EMU486 |
| 02:42.13 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:42.16 | thomas_adam | ha! |
| 02:42.17 | anarcat | asg: "lower 48?" |
| 02:42.19 | peterS | michal_: I think it requires a patch on the host kernel |
| 02:42.24 | asg | anarcat: US |
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| 02:42.37 | anarcat | ah |
| 02:42.41 | asg | anarcat: minus Alaska and Hawaii |
| 02:42.52 | michal_ | peters: ok. thanks.. that's what it seemed like to me too.. |
| 02:43.00 | anarcat | asg: well, now that's it's Sleeman-owned, you might have better luck |
| 02:43.24 | asg | anarcat: the alcohol content in La Maudite makes it illegal to sell as a beer in most parts of the US. |
| 02:43.32 | abrotman | malt liquor!! |
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| 02:43.39 | FieldySnuts | meh |
| 02:43.39 | asg | abrotman: more like a fine wine ;) |
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| 02:43.46 | abrotman | asg: lambic ? |
| 02:43.49 | peterS | duckdown: indeed, it'll take /boot/config-$(uname -r) as a default config file, and you're running 2.4.27-1-386 right now |
| 02:43.50 | chealer | anarcat: where do you live? |
| 02:43.52 | asg | anarcat: and the fact that it's unfiltered. |
| 02:44.00 | anarcat | asg: *really*? |
| 02:44.10 | anarcat | asg: that sucks dude, those are the finest beers |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | asg: that doesn't matter |
| 02:44.12 | peterS | duckdown: 2.4.27 config won't match 2.6.10 config closely at all, so you'll have to go through it in detail |
| 02:44.14 | asg | anarcat: yes. |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | asg: at least not in PA |
| 02:44.17 | anarcat | chealer: Quebec/Montreal |
| 02:44.26 | asg | abrotman: well, PA isn't as bad as NC. |
| 02:44.27 | sanxiyn | Q: How well does it scale? A: Insanely well. <some numbers> -- hula-project.org FAQ |
| 02:44.28 | duckdown | peterS: this wont cause problems at time of make-kpkg though will it |
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| 02:44.29 | abrotman | anarcat: goodie .. i've got a question for you |
| 02:44.30 | anarcat | is it illegal to ship it by mail? :) |
| 02:44.37 | anarcat | abrotman: er... ok |
| 02:44.42 | asg | abrotman: there are still counties here debating on whether to stay dry or not. |
| 02:44.42 | peterS | duckdown: it certainly will cause problems if you don't go through your kernel config and pick the options you really need |
| 02:44.46 | chealer | anarcat: always the same. every quebecer needs to be in montreal :-P |
| 02:44.54 | duckdown | peterS: yeah, i'll go through it finely |
| 02:44.57 | anarcat | chealer: well, it is the biggest city |
| 02:45.03 | FieldySnuts | Quebec; where it's socially acceptable to be a racist. |
| 02:45.05 | asg | anarcat: yes. I know it can be bought in Washington D.C., and New Orleans. |
| 02:45.06 | abrotman | anarcat: which canadian city(quebec/montreal/ottawa) has the big castle-ish thing across a river/bridge ? |
| 02:45.16 | chealer | yeah. nobody in quebec city. come on, it's the capital! |
| 02:45.23 | anarcat | abrotman: er... a bridge, you mean? |
| 02:45.27 | peterS | FieldySnuts: it's socially acceptable to be a racist in a lot of parts of the world |
| 02:45.29 | anarcat | oh |
| 02:45.31 | chealer | FieldySnuts: huh? |
| 02:45.31 | abrotman | anarcat: i think |
| 02:45.36 | anarcat | abrotman: probably quebec city, you mean |
| 02:45.37 | scatterp | asg listen i am at command prompt on line i can open ssh all i need is to know the commands |
| 02:45.37 | giocondo | it's possible, there not anyone who can help me with ipv6 and debian? |
| 02:45.40 | abrotman | anarcat: i'm pretty sure it's ottawa or montreal |
| 02:45.44 | robink | How come mldonkey was taken out of debian/testing? |
| 02:45.44 | anarcat | hmmm |
| 02:45.50 | abrotman | anarcat: darn .. you say it's quebec .. grr |
| 02:45.53 | FieldySnuts | robink: to stop warez kiddies? |
| 02:45.54 | abrotman | i'll never find that city again |
| 02:45.56 | anarcat | abrotman: you'll have to be more precise... |
| 02:46.05 | anarcat | there's a few castle-ish things here :) |
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| 02:46.16 | n3o_X | what would you recomend for a VPN server? |
| 02:46.20 | anarcat | heck, the bridges themselves are castle-ish :) |
| 02:46.22 | asg | scatterp: for patching, configuring and compiling a kernel? |
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| 02:46.30 | abrotman | anarcat: i can't be . i was there a long time ago .. 10+ years .. i'd like to go back .. i'm pretty sure they spoke french . and i think there was .. like a mall kind of thing on the other side |
| 02:46.36 | scatterp | asg isnt there an easyer way |
| 02:46.54 | abrotman | anarcat: if i saw a picture of the place ... i'd recognize it instantly |
| 02:47.02 | abrotman | anarcat: and the thing was in the city |
| 02:47.04 | michal_ | do you guys think xen is ready for commercial virtual hosting in the same way that uml seems to be? |
| 02:47.16 | asg | scatterp: ipw2100.sourceforge.com might have a walkthrough |
| 02:47.25 | chealer | robink: which package? |
| 02:47.32 | anarcat | abrotman: really... mall kind of thing... we got a few of those too :) |
| 02:47.32 | scatterp | it does thats how i ended up with no os |
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| 02:47.46 | abrotman | anarcat: you're not helping! .. got any pictures? |
| 02:47.48 | anarcat | abrotman: also, we speak french everywhere, although it's "frenchier" in quebec city |
| 02:47.57 | asg | scatterp: you can always boot with your old kernel if the newly compiled one is broken you know. |
| 02:48.02 | anarcat | abrotman: well... you could try ville.montreal.qc.ca (i think) |
| 02:48.16 | scatterp | asg that didnt work |
| 02:48.23 | anarcat | i can't believe i'm running out of ram |
| 02:48.23 | robink | Argh, and rar is missing |
| 02:48.26 | anarcat | open("100m", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 |
| 02:48.26 | anarcat | ioctl(3, BLKGETSIZE, 0xbffff8ec) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) |
| 02:48.29 | anarcat | ioctl(3, BLKGETSIZE64, 0xbffff8e0) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) |
| 02:48.32 | abrotman | anarcat: ack .. it's french! |
| 02:48.36 | scatterp | asg i reinstalled |
| 02:48.38 | anarcat | ... when trying to open the swapfile with mkswap |
| 02:48.40 | asg | scatterp: then you didn't configure the bootloader correctly afterwards. |
| 02:48.43 | abrotman | oh .. i see it |
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| 02:48.55 | n3o_X | what would you recomend for a VPN server? |
| 02:48.57 | scatterp | i just need to know what you did at command prompt when you first installed to get the wifi in |
| 02:49.25 | asg | scatterp: jethro used the ipw2100 drivers, I used ndiswrapper since I have a different card. |
| 02:49.32 | abrotman | anarcat: montreal has a chinatown ? |
| 02:49.32 | scatterp | ahh |
| 02:49.36 | scatterp | what card you got ? |
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| 02:49.52 | anarcat | abrotman: yes |
| 02:50.00 | anarcat | abrotman: quebec doesn't (i think) |
| 02:50.21 | chealer | not in quebec city indeed |
| 02:50.26 | robink | What does the non-free deb line look like? |
| 02:50.32 | abrotman | anarcat: http://vieux.montreal.qc.ca/eng/accueila.htm .. is that thing on the other side of a bridge? |
| 02:50.47 | chealer | robink: substitute main with non-free, or add it |
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| 02:50.59 | asg | scatterp: for me, I downloaded the ndiswrapper source from ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net, did 'apt-get install build-essential' (to get necessary tools) and the kernel-headers package for my running kernel, and followed the instructions in the source code's README file. |
| 02:51.10 | chealer | robink: deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
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| 02:51.12 | asg | scatterp: 0000:02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) |
| 02:51.17 | asg | scatterp: that's what I have |
| 02:51.41 | anarcat | abrotman: oh, right |
| 02:51.47 | anarcat | abrotman: that's the city hall |
| 02:51.50 | anarcat | on the island, yes |
| 02:51.55 | shingouz | scatterp: you still have to read the kismet documentation if you want to run kismet on that card ;) |
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| 02:52.12 | asg | shingouz: you can't run kismet with ndiswrapper |
| 02:52.18 | shingouz | asg: i know |
| 02:52.29 | scatterp | shingouz im still trying to get the danm wifi card installed |
| 02:52.39 | anarcat | abrotman: does this ring a bell: http://www.ville.quebec.qc.ca/accueil/index.shtml |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | anarcat: hmm ... |
| 02:52.47 | scatterp | shingouz are you able to help me with it ? |
| 02:52.49 | anarcat | abrotman: there's a mediaval-ish castle there |
| 02:52.53 | anarcat | abrotman: in quebec city |
| 02:53.02 | asg | shingouz: help him if you can, I've got to get some sleep |
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| 02:53.08 | shingouz | scatterp: you have the wired network installed already. go read the kismet docs to get the kernel jsut the way it is suppoesd to be if you want to run kismet on the box |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | anarcat: i think quebec is too far north to be it |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | or wait .. do i have that backwards? |
| 02:53.27 | shingouz | asg: i''l try. sleep well |
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| 02:53.54 | chealer | robink: probably because of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279030 |
| 02:54.10 | anarcat | abrotman: no, you're right: quebec is 300Km north of mtl |
| 02:54.11 | bjb | abrotman, what about this picture? http://www.freetravelguides.com/Quebec%20City%20Pictures/Chateau%20Frontenac.jpg |
| 02:54.13 | anarcat | ewll |
| 02:54.15 | anarcat | 250 |
| 02:54.23 | scatterp | shingouz couldnt you kind of talk me thru it ive installed 5 times for 3 days now not like i havent tryed |
| 02:54.34 | anarcat | abrotman: the bridge in mtl is most likely le "Pont Jacques Cartier" |
| 02:54.44 | shingouz | scatterp: did you read the docs on the kismet site? |
| 02:54.49 | scatterp | yes |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | bjb: i don't think that's it |
| 02:54.59 | abrotman | anarcat: you think that's my best bet? |
| 02:55.08 | abrotman | anarcat: i remember older roads .. with rock walls etc |
| 02:55.18 | abrotman | though .. that may have been another city .. |
| 02:55.19 | anarcat | abrotman: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/images/092004/4f45971.jpg |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | (the lesson here is .. don't do drugs) |
| 02:55.30 | shingouz | scatterp: so what did the docs say about the card you have there? |
| 02:55.38 | abrotman | anarcat: that's a bridge |
| 02:55.42 | abrotman | and the wrong kind |
| 02:56.12 | anarcat | abrotman: well, you *were* talking about a bridge |
| 02:56.21 | anarcat | and it's in montreal |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | anarcat: wrong kind of bridge .. i mean like a rock/stone bridge i think |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | not a big modern steel thingie |
| 02:56.32 | TCW | ~$ mount /media/DTTA-371440/ <- works, but if I try to mount it with gnome (rightclick in nautilus' "computer-view") I get "unable to mount, wrong fs, bad superblock or too many mounted filesystems foo" what the heck? Does anyone have a hint for me? |
| 02:56.34 | anarcat | oh |
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| 02:56.51 | anarcat | then it might more likely be quebec |
| 02:56.58 | anarcat | no stone bridge i know of here |
| 02:57.15 | abrotman | not downtown to get over to the city hall thing? |
| 02:57.23 | anarcat | abrotman: http://images.google.ca/images?q=pont%20pierre-laporte&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&sa=N&tab=wi |
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| 02:57.39 | TCW | I use this script > http://ccomb.free.fr/usbstorage/updfstab-17 < |
| 02:57.52 | scatterp | shingouz can we talk in #kismet |
| 02:57.55 | shingouz | scatterp: what is the exact wlan-gizmo you have there? |
| 02:57.56 | shingouz | sure |
| 02:58.17 | anarcat | anyhow |
| 02:58.22 | anarcat | gotta go, no answer here :) |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | anarcat: way wrong kind of bridge :( |
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| 02:58.30 | abrotman | anarcat: thanks for trying :) |
| 02:58.42 | anarcat | abrotman: i hang out on freenode usually, try query-ing me at times... |
| 02:58.53 | abrotman | anarcat: i'm thinking it is montreal |
| 02:59.14 | anarcat | ciao |
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| 03:03.47 | bjb | abrotman, what about this one: it's a long page with lot's of pictures, see 2nd, 3rd and 5th photos: http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?s=9e7590090306458af1eda06bf7ebaf3e&p=204697#post204697 |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | looking |
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| 03:04.48 | abrotman | bjb: the second picture makes me thing yes |
| 03:04.58 | abrotman | damn it .. i should just go to OLS .. then i'll know :) |
| 03:05.15 | bjb | I can't remember any stone bridges close by castle-looking buildings in Montreal... but that must be my bad memory rather than lack of them |
| 03:05.16 | lin | which is best enterprse vpn firewall for debian |
| 03:05.22 | bjb | abrotman :-) |
| 03:05.33 | bjb | OLS is right near there... on the side of the canal. |
| 03:05.38 | ireverentReveren | !best |
| 03:05.38 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 03:05.49 | abrotman | bjb: i'm looking at this weird tour thing of montreal . i think maybe the bonsecours market ? |
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| 03:05.57 | bjb | You could STAY at that castle-looking hotel and walk to OLS (it's a tad expensive though) abrotman |
| 03:06.15 | bjb | abrotman, bonsecours market is in Old Montreal, by the Old Port |
| 03:06.28 | abrotman | bjb: well .. it would be for fun .. go to some of the conference .. i may be driving out to WI around that time .. so it might work out well |
| 03:06.53 | abrotman | bjb: and the part of WI i have to go to is the very top near the UP of MI |
| 03:06.56 | bjb | abrotman, maybe I'll see you there :-) I've already reserved that week for vacation at work |
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| 03:07.25 | abrotman | bjb: jeez .. i haven't decided if i'm going . or if it would be worth my time(i'm not much of a developer) |
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| 03:07.59 | bjb | abrotman, well it is rather slanted towards developers, and kernel/device driver developers at that |
| 03:08.14 | lakcaj | Hi. Anyone here using php ming on a debian sarge machine? I can't seem to find the debs to get it installed. |
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| 03:08.28 | abrotman | bjb: i know .. but since there doesn't that there will ever be a debconf in .us .. might as well :) |
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| 03:09.11 | bjb | ah... :-) well, I'd better read some debian policy manuals before bed. No, really! |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | bjb: i guess i could have gone to LWE this week |
| 03:10.02 | bjb | abrotman, let me know if you decide to come to Ottawa, we'll have to at least sign each other's keys. |
| 03:10.09 | abrotman | bjb: i'm not a DD |
| 03:10.23 | bjb | That's ok, neither am I. Yet :-) |
| 03:10.24 | abrotman | bjb: i haven't yet found something i would enjoy packaging i guess |
| 03:10.36 | bjb | I really must go read some debian policy manuals :-) |
| 03:10.42 | abrotman | ok . enjoy |
| 03:10.48 | bjb | ug |
| 03:11.58 | abrotman | damn it .. why don't .us cities look so nice |
| 03:12.22 | cthulfuego | abrotman: cars |
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| 03:12.41 | abrotman | cthulfuego: oh yeah .. and we llike those big fucking SUVs too .. we're so dumb |
| 03:13.20 | nvz | man that little bit of walking I did today got my leg muscles all tightened up right now... I am obviously bent out of shape |
| 03:13.29 | helix | bjb: thinking of applying? :) |
| 03:13.44 | abrotman | he's reading :) |
| 03:13.49 | helix | not a he |
| 03:13.55 | bjb | Not this year helix. But eventually. I want to learn some stuff first |
| 03:13.56 | cthulfuego | abrotman: Car centric cities tend to never be very nice. Look at the inncer city in european cities. Too narrow for cars, nice city. |
| 03:14.16 | abrotman | cthulfuego: yeah .. we knock down buildings to make the streets wider :) |
| 03:14.17 | helix | bjb: well, you already know lots of stuff; I don't think you need a whole year having seen what you've figured out already, but ok.. :) |
| 03:14.27 | cthulfuego | abrotman: See, that's dumb. |
| 03:14.33 | abrotman | cthulfuego: duh :) |
| 03:14.41 | bjb | and thanks to debian-women, I'm actively working on that :-) (learning packaging, processes) |
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| 03:14.45 | helix | w00t |
| 03:14.46 | cthulfuego | abrotman: They should increase road tax to fund parks and public transport. |
| 03:14.55 | abrotman | cthulfuego: i'm all for more parks .. |
| 03:15.04 | cthulfuego | abrotman: You'd love Melbourne then. |
| 03:15.08 | helix | bjb: and you sent a patch for an RC bug ;) |
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| 03:15.11 | bjb | helix: and doing the odd bit of bugfixing/project work too |
| 03:15.13 | helix | bjb: what ever happened with that anyway? |
| 03:15.17 | helix | bjb: yeah |
| 03:15.27 | abrotman | cthulfuego: i loved New Orleans .. there were cars .. but you could get places easily on foot |
| 03:15.28 | shingouz | ("i have never compiled a kernel and i haven't slept in two days but i want to get a patched thingie running by tomorrow..." fsck. $DEITY spare me of n00bs. i need a smoke) |
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| 03:15.35 | bjb | helix, I didn't send any patches, but I worked on two RC bugs |
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| 03:15.41 | abrotman | and why aren't there debconfs in .us ? |
| 03:15.44 | helix | bjb: eh, I thought you helped with a patch? |
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| 03:15.50 | bjb | helix, vorlon sent one patch and gave me some credit |
| 03:15.53 | cthulfuego | abrotman: Coz you haven't organised one. |
| 03:15.56 | helix | but yeah, I remember you working on that one at the bSP |
| 03:16.01 | abrotman | cthulfuego: i doubt that's the reason |
| 03:16.10 | nvz | abrotman: oh really? |
| 03:16.15 | helix | abrotman: a lot of people don't want to come here |
| 03:16.15 | abrotman | nvz: huh? |
| 03:16.16 | cthulfuego | abrotman: It's *a* reason, not *the* reason ;-) |
| 03:16.25 | nvz | abrotman: you doubt thats a reason? |
| 03:16.28 | abrotman | helix: i know that .. but i mean .. they could still have a .us debconf i guess |
| 03:16.36 | cthulfuego | helix: There is that. Same could be said for *CANBERRA* though. |
| 03:16.37 | bjb | helix, and the other one I sent some help to the developer/maintainer, but they solved it another way. So I tested the solution and gave it thumbs up. |
| 03:16.40 | abrotman | nvz: i'm sick .. :) |
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| 03:17.04 | helix | abrotman: well, we need people to organize one |
| 03:17.10 | helix | abrotman: it's kind of decided by local teams |
| 03:17.14 | helix | bjb: ah, right. cool |
| 03:17.21 | cthulfuego | abrotman: Which bring me back to my original point |
| 03:17.29 | bjb | helix, that was interesting, the upstream program was broken, and the maintainer worked around the broken-ness in the packaging without having to patch the upstream stuff. So it was a good lesson. |
| 03:17.34 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, there's been lots of talk about that, but it's simply that no one has put it together |
| 03:17.34 | abrotman | helix: i guess i would have thought that with people like perens and ian murdock living here .. there might have been one |
| 03:17.46 | gravity | They have better things to do |
| 03:17.49 | nvz | heh |
| 03:17.53 | helix | we're having a miniconf next week |
| 03:17.54 | helix | word up |
| 03:17.59 | abrotman | they could have one in niagara falls .. and then the people who are scared can stay in canada :) |
| 03:18.04 | dan2 | abrotman: may I message you? |
| 03:18.08 | abrotman | dan2: sure |
| 03:18.13 | helix | bjb: heh, seeing the stuff debian maintainers do to work around upstream silliness is always interesting.. |
| 03:18.14 | gravity | helix: True that (hope I go) |
| 03:18.20 | helix | gravity: yay, I hope so too :) |
| 03:18.21 | nvz | not to be anarchist or anything.. but what the hell is up with you people talking about debian for a change? |
| 03:18.28 | cthulfuego | abrotman: HA! I actually know someone in lewiston, so i'd have free sleeping arrangements :-) |
| 03:18.40 | abrotman | cthulfuego: in where? |
| 03:18.51 | khanman | can someone plz tell me how to mount "/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /" ? i installed fedora core (yeah i know it sucks) on my debian box and would like to run it with chroot while debian is running..but i cant seem to mount anything but the /boot filesystem.....and yeah i know debian kicks fedora's ass..but i would like to run both at the same time |
| 03:19.01 | cthulfuego | abrotman: Town near niagara falls, overlooking the lake. |
| 03:19.10 | abrotman | cthulfuego: ah .. gotcha . i'm not that close to niagara |
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| 03:19.24 | helix | gravity: have you talked to ari about it? he seems to be coming down the second weekend, but dilinger will be gone by then |
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| 03:19.38 | Roadrunne | hi, how can i figure out if ip-multicast is enabled in the kernel? |
| 03:19.43 | peterS | Roadrunne: it is |
| 03:19.52 | bjb | Xenguy, that's good for any drive but the root one. Glad you found a solution to a problem you had :-) Hi, Xenguy! Fancy meeting you here |
| 03:19.53 | khanman | well at least youre not flaming me |
| 03:19.54 | nvz | Roadrunne: it is by default in debian kernels |
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| 03:20.11 | Xenguy | bjb: shocking indeed :-) |
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| 03:20.30 | gravity | helix: Not really. I'm still so up in the air I don't know what's going on with me |
| 03:20.31 | Roadrunne | peterS: thx. |
| 03:20.34 | Roadrunne | nvz: thx |
| 03:20.45 | Xenguy | bjb: it doesn't work for the '/' partition then? |
| 03:20.45 | cthulfuego | khanman: You mount 'em via 'bind' under your chroot. |
| 03:20.51 | helix | gravity: ok. you still have my number, right? I don't know how much I'll be online and stuff |
| 03:20.54 | abrotman | there could even be regional miniconfs .. |
| 03:21.00 | bjb | Xenguy, it doesn't work for "busy" partitions |
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| 03:21.06 | lmr | how to start/stop the service xiem |
| 03:21.09 | abrotman | like .. one for midatlantic/NE .. etc |
| 03:21.10 | bjb | Xenguy, and the root partition is always busy |
| 03:21.11 | nvz | Roadrunne: grep CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 03:21.15 | nvz | Roadrunne: fyi |
| 03:21.18 | gravity | helix: Yep |
| 03:21.20 | bjb | Xenguy, you can't umount / |
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| 03:21.24 | helix | gravity: ok, I still have yours too |
| 03:21.26 | gravity | helix: I almost called you this morning about the sparc :-) |
| 03:21.29 | helix | haha |
| 03:21.31 | gravity | Sweet |
| 03:21.40 | Roadrunne | nvz: cool. nice to know... |
| 03:21.41 | Xenguy | bjb: well that is the problem I'm trying to figure out - do you know how to work around this then? |
| 03:21.50 | nvz | lmr: /etc/init.d/exim stop |
| 03:21.52 | khanman | cthulfuego, i cant find the root filesystem i can mount /dev/hda11 (which is /boot) |
| 03:21.53 | bjb | Xenguy, you can change / but it might be easier just to boot to a live cd and then fsck your (hard-drive) / |
| 03:21.55 | nvz | lmr: you mean exim right? |
| 03:21.56 | gravity | helix: When do you leave for NYC? |
| 03:21.59 | helix | gravity: friday |
| 03:22.03 | Xenguy | bjb: (actually it was some other guy's problem, and he's gone now, but I'm still curious ;-) |
| 03:22.04 | helix | (afternoon) |
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| 03:22.06 | gravity | helix: Ok, so soon then |
| 03:22.07 | khanman | but thats all i can see |
| 03:22.11 | gravity | I won't be able to go until next weekend |
| 03:22.16 | gravity | That's when I thought it was |
| 03:22.19 | helix | gravity: ok, that's when ari's coming |
| 03:22.22 | gravity | Cool |
| 03:22.23 | abrotman | helix: and you don't tell me you're coming up this way? :) |
| 03:22.27 | lmr | ya nvz: thanks |
| 03:22.29 | gravity | helix: Yeah, I have to work this weekend to make up for linuxworld time |
| 03:22.34 | lmr | I forgot always that |
| 03:22.41 | nvz | Roadrunne: yeah the kernel config scripts are in /boot/ and in 2.6 kernels they even keep it in /proc/config.gz I think it is.. but I am not all to hip to that |
| 03:22.45 | Xenguy | bjb: yeh, I thought of that, but in this case the boxen were remotely located, so I don't think a 'rescue disk' approach was feasible |
| 03:22.45 | bjb | Xenguy, I'd just boot to another medium (live cd, floppy - but make sure you have fsck available) and then do the fsck on the appropriate device. |
| 03:22.52 | quentusrex | I'm having problems setting up Alsa to accept more than one sound at a time. |
| 03:22.55 | helix | abrotman: well, I'll be in NYC |
| 03:23.00 | helix | gravity: ok |
| 03:23.03 | khanman | cthulfuego, i dont get the /VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ...i tried mounting that |
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| 03:23.09 | abrotman | helix: yeah .. i know .. it's a mere two hours away :) |
| 03:23.19 | quentusrex | I just installed alsa, and I don't know how to config it other than alsaconf |
| 03:23.26 | quentusrex | and that didn't work to solve the sound issue. |
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| 03:23.41 | abrotman | helix: maybe some day you'll go to philly :) |
| 03:23.42 | bjb | Xenguy, hmm, then depending on how much pain you want to go through, a pivot-root is possible but painful. And you'd probably need to practice and/or make a script for it. And it still might screw up and you'd lose the remote machine. |
| 03:23.51 | helix | abrotman: oh, is that all? we might have some kind of debian night somewhere, I think there's a debian-nyc-soc mailing list it'll be announced on |
| 03:24.07 | Roadrunne | nvz: you're a cool ng here. better and above all friendlier... :-) |
| 03:24.07 | abrotman | helix: on lists.debian.org ? |
| 03:24.16 | Roadrunne | nvz: than the german one |
| 03:24.18 | helix | abrotman: nah, I don't know where it's hosted |
| 03:24.26 | abrotman | oh lovely .. /me goes to scour the internet :) |
| 03:24.33 | Roadrunne | how can i store mail for an user locally and forward it additionally to a external mail account? |
| 03:24.33 | nvz | Roadrunne: I am not sure I know what you are saying. |
| 03:24.36 | helix | abrotman: http://lists.yukidoke.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debian-nyc-soc\ |
| 03:24.42 | abrotman | holy man |
| 03:24.42 | helix | uh, without that trailing \ |
| 03:24.43 | Xenguy | bjb: wow - so basically if you have all your filesystems on '/', for instance, then the rescue disk approach is the best idea it seems |
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| 03:25.17 | abrotman | helix: it still works |
| 03:25.18 | bjb | Xenguy, yes. |
| 03:25.18 | khanman | ill google it again..but i didnt find the answer b4 |
| 03:25.20 | nvz | Roadrunne: sounds like a job for procmail |
| 03:25.20 | quentusrex | Anyone know how to fix the two sounds at same time on the 2.6.7 kernel? |
| 03:25.40 | nvz | Roadrunne: apt-cache show procmail |
| 03:25.51 | Xenguy | bjb: thank gawd yer here - I would have gone away thinking that 'telinit 1' was the right solution :-) |
| 03:25.58 | bjb | Xenguy, I had two swap partitions, each was big enough to have a minimal install. In emergencies, I could do a minimal install in one and rescue |
| 03:26.01 | nvz | Roadrunne: read the description and see if you agree :P |
| 03:26.01 | Roadrunne | nvz: running exim. debian suggests me to store root-mails locally. but additionally i want to mail them to me mail account |
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| 03:26.20 | Xenguy | bjb: heh - tricky |
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| 03:26.37 | nvz | Roadrunne: well dpkg-reconfigure exim then |
| 03:26.45 | nvz | Roadrunne: its one of the questions it asks you |
| 03:27.03 | bjb | Xenguy, I must get back to my bedtime reading :-) See you around. |
| 03:27.12 | abrotman | apparently philly is just completely lacking linux/debian people .. except dan2 and Wyzard |
| 03:27.13 | helix | bjb: have fun with policy.. :) |
| 03:27.14 | peterS | Xenguy: what's fun is doing just what bjb says but without rebooting |
| 03:27.14 | Xenguy | bjb: ciao for now |
| 03:27.20 | Roadrunne | nvz: yeah, but it asks where to store locally or where to send to, can i add 2 targets? |
| 03:27.23 | helix | abrotman: nah, someone from d-w lives in philly |
| 03:27.26 | helix | abrotman: and some other linuxchix |
| 03:27.29 | nvz | Roadrunne: the maintainer realized the admin usually also has a non-root user, and the config script for exim asks you to supply users that should also get copies of that mail |
| 03:27.35 | abrotman | helix: no way .. i don't believe you :) |
| 03:27.45 | quentusrex | nvz, do you know anything about config'ing alsa? |
| 03:27.55 | dan2 | abrotman: and bddebian |
| 03:27.55 | Xenguy | peterS: do tell; but what do you think of this guys advice - is he just wrong? -> http://www.utacm.org:81/pipermail/siglinux/2004-August.txt |
| 03:27.57 | helix | abrotman: well, I'm not lying, but I probably won't put you in contact with them either.. :P |
| 03:28.00 | nvz | quentusrex: nope, nothing at all, I just know how to unconfigure it an use OSS :P |
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| 03:28.08 | abrotman | helix: oh .. thanks |
| 03:28.13 | abrotman | dan2: oh yeah .. forgot about him |
| 03:28.13 | helix | anytime |
| 03:28.20 | abrotman | and then there's that ESR guy nearby somewhere |
| 03:28.25 | quentusrex | Anyone know how to config alsa? |
| 03:28.29 | Xenguy | peterS: "You should never run fsck on a filesystem mounted read-write. Boot |
| 03:28.30 | Xenguy | to single-user mode (or just do "init 1" as root) and run fsck from there. |
| 03:28.32 | Xenguy | " |
| 03:28.35 | peterS | Xenguy: correct |
| 03:28.36 | Roadrunne | nvz: yeah, that's what i know. but the server will be far far away. the easiert thing would be, that i get the mails forwarded by smtp. but for secure store locally too. ? |
| 03:29.02 | Xenguy | peterS: but bjb says I can't do that on a running root filesystem (IIUC) ? |
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| 03:29.24 | peterS | Xenguy: it's best not to. that's why I said it was "fun" to manage the whole business of fscking your root, without rebooting |
| 03:29.27 | nvz | quentusrex: try being more descriptive, about what your situation is.. like "I just installed sarge, need help setting up ALSA in 2.6.8 with SB Live.." something like that.. gets knowlagable people more interested in the issue when there are details |
| 03:29.44 | peterS | Xenguy: fun as in challenging |
| 03:29.58 | abrotman | erm .. bah |
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| 03:30.10 | bjb | peterS, Xenguy: fun as in Russian roulette |
| 03:30.16 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, might wanna make that 05 |
| 03:30.17 | abrotman | bjb: get back to reading! |
| 03:30.19 | Xenguy | peterS: nod. So the guy at that URL I gave you was 'correct', but the advice he gives is still 'dangerous' ? |
| 03:30.24 | bjb | peterS, Xenguy, you can do the pivotroot thing without rebooting |
| 03:30.31 | bjb | abrotman, thanks :-) |
| 03:30.31 | peterS | bjb: oh, I'm not talking about doing this with the root filesystem still mounted |
| 03:30.32 | nvz | Roadrunne: I don't really know I am not hip to email.. it frightens me :P I just thought your question was general enough for me to help heh |
| 03:30.33 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. well .. i'm gonna keep saying i'm sick .. i even stayed home :) |
| 03:30.40 | peterS | bjb: I'm talking about pivot_root, yes |
| 03:30.49 | peterS | abrotman: you're sick? |
| 03:30.50 | quentusrex | I have installed SID, I have kernel 2.6.7-1-386. I am unable to hear Gaim alerts when I have music playing. I installed Alsa thinking it would fix the problem, but to no avail so far. Please advice.... |
| 03:31.06 | abrotman | peterS: i think maybe bronchitis .. not sure .. i'm probably not going in tomorrow either |
| 03:31.13 | peterS | oh, bleh to that |
| 03:31.43 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. exactly |
| 03:31.46 | Roadrunne | nvz: exim-group seems to be sleeping :-) dpkg-reconfigure exim4 is not working. is this the right syntax? |
| 03:32.58 | nvz | quentusrex: ok, well thats not really an alsa problem.. most modern cards like the SB Live for example have multiple channels so that they can be used multiple times but cheaper onboard ones may not, thats why some people make use of a sound daemon that mixes the audio channels from the software then hands it to the sound device in one channel.. |
| 03:33.21 | quentusrex | I believe I have SoundBlaster Live card. |
| 03:33.28 | quentusrex | It's a PCI card I know for sure. |
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| 03:33.57 | nvz | Roadrunne: well I dont know exactly what the package is, cause sarge seems to come with some exim-light now.. I am not up to date on what they are calling it now.. heh you could maybe try: dpkg -l | grep exim, or something to see what the package name is |
| 03:34.37 | nvz | ahhh!! |
| 03:35.15 | nvz | there is a healthy looking spider living outside my window |
| 03:35.32 | robink | totem tells me I don't have libdvdcss when I do |
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| 03:35.42 | abrotman | robink: you don't! |
| 03:35.43 | peterS | nvz: oh lovely. what size of spider? |
| 03:35.44 | quentusrex | does anyone know how to properly configure a SB Live card? |
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| 03:35.56 | Roadrunne | nvz: argl, it's sometimes easier than i think. just use a comma in the aliases file.... :-) |
| 03:36.17 | Chest | guys, if i want to set a fully qualified domain name do i put it in both /etc/hosts and/or /etc/sysctl.conf( kernel.domainname )? |
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| 03:37.32 | DanC | hmm... 2 dead CD-ROM drives in the last month or so. Am I cursed, or do these things typically die like that? |
| 03:37.41 | nvz | peterS: well he's not huge. but decent sized.. I dont know much about em.. he's about the size of my thumb and has some kind of design on his back |
| 03:37.55 | DanC | This Acer CD-RW drive says Mfg. Date: September 2001 |
| 03:37.56 | peterS | nvz: what color? |
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| 03:38.20 | nvz | peterS: its like tan colored, the designs which run vertically are black curly bracket looking things |
| 03:38.31 | aaryal | hi folks. i'm trying to get into the habit of putting the packaging in with the sources since i've started using debian almost exclusively. however all the packaging tools (dh_make and friends) seem to want an 'upstream source' type scenerio. i'm further debating makefile vs. the pythong dist-utils.. suggestions? |
| 03:38.32 | peterS | nvz: oooh, that's a Loxosceles reclusa |
| 03:38.38 | aaryal | s/pythong/python/ |
| 03:38.40 | peterS | nvz: aka brown recluse spider. deadly poisonous |
| 03:38.46 | thyhorror | question - anyway to see what filesystem are on my HD ? |
| 03:39.02 | nvz | peterS: oh boy :) |
| 03:39.04 | peterS | nvz: not that it'll kill someone your age / size, but it can cause localised necrosis, I guess |
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| 03:39.16 | aaryal | thyhorror, fdisk would work. just don't modify anything. |
| 03:39.17 | peterS | nvz: yeah. it must die. |
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| 03:39.45 | thyhorror | aaryal: much thanks |
| 03:39.50 | aaryal | np |
| 03:39.56 | nvz | peterS: well I got a big window with two smaller windows on either side.. I open the outer two which have screens for air, he's made a huge wem in front of the middle window |
| 03:40.26 | nvz | damn aracnids |
| 03:40.31 | stew | aaryal: dh_make will work without an upstream source just fine (called a debian-native package), but its usually better to keep the debian bits separate |
| 03:40.59 | stew | aaryal: this type of question will be better answers in #debian-mentors or the -mentors mailing list |
| 03:41.01 | abrotman | nvz: be a man .. call the wife in to kill it |
| 03:41.07 | nvz | abrotman: haha |
| 03:42.06 | Roadrunne | nvz: 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' was the key :-) |
| 03:42.14 | nvz | Roadrunne: cool :) |
| 03:42.15 | aaryal | oh but it's a sweet surrender ;) |
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| 03:42.28 | nvz | yeah.. I was (still am) a fool |
| 03:42.41 | nvz | I've met some fine women |
| 03:42.47 | peterS | nvz: well. brown recluses seem to mainly mind their own business, but don't take chances if this one might have some means to get indoors |
| 03:42.47 | nvz | I just didnt know it at the time |
| 03:43.08 | aaryal | stew, thanks. i'll try tormenting the mentors ;) |
| 03:44.40 | aaryal | nvz, use a tazor on it |
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| 03:44.41 | peterS | aaryal is a mentor tormentor. nice. |
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| 03:45.13 | aaryal | peterS, something like that.. hehe |
| 03:45.21 | nvz | it makes me sick to think about how dumb I was about women in the past... heh I knew this real pretty girl back when I lived up north who would always throw herself at me, but I never acknolaged it.. I had been through too many horrible relationships that started out that way.. as time will ultimately show me, it was my fault all along.. but that's got nothing to do with the spider outside my window :P |
| 03:46.04 | stew | arbius: distutils seems to be the most popluar way of handling python installs in debian packages |
| 03:46.05 | peterS | nvz: it must be terrible to have the problem of women throwing themselves at you |
| 03:46.11 | stew | err aaryal ^^ |
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| 03:46.28 | stew | !beer me |
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| 03:47.09 | abrotman | nvz: the spider is symbolic! |
| 03:47.17 | stew | !beer abrotman |
| 03:47.27 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:47.31 | abrotman | i just had one on saturday :) |
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| 03:48.23 | stew | i just cracked open some of the whisk[e]y that i brought back from japan |
| 03:48.40 | abrotman | stew: that can't be good ... |
| 03:49.05 | stew | its actually quite good |
| 03:49.09 | nvz | peterS: yeah well like I said, i've been with a few truely troubled young ladies.. so I grew hesitant to rush into anything.. but this girl was 17 last I seen her (I was 18 at the time) and I didnt realize it then, but she too was afraid. I took the silly situations she'd put me in to be some kind of crazy manipulation, and as I look back now, she just wanted to make me feel a little uncomfortable and perhaps vulernable like she did. |
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| 03:49.38 | nvz | abrotman: the spider is creepy |
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| 03:49.47 | pipeline | nvz: DRAMA BOMB |
| 03:49.50 | abrotman | nvz: so are girls! |
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| 03:49.55 | peterS | haha |
| 03:49.57 | nvz | abrotman: if it wasnt so hot, I would slam and lock the windows |
| 03:50.10 | aaryal | abrotman: what is the spyder symbolizing |
| 03:50.16 | abrotman | nvz: why don't you just squirt the water gun through the window? |
| 03:50.22 | rixth | More of a curious question, but why is it foo & bar? What are the origins/meanings of those words/that phrase? |
| 03:50.27 | abrotman | aaryal: women .. he needs to kill the women! |
| 03:50.31 | peterS | aaryal: now now, you know symbolism doesn't have to actually symbolise something real, in our oh-so-postmodern era |
| 03:50.40 | peterS | abrotman: too bad it's not a black widow |
| 03:50.50 | zinx | rixth: no one knows for sure. |
| 03:50.53 | stew | squirt the women with waterguns |
| 03:51.00 | peterS | nvz: one squirt bottle, half a pint of rubbing alcohol |
| 03:51.01 | zinx | rixth: there are several theories, which contradict each other |
| 03:51.14 | abrotman | peterS: heh .. or praying mantis ? |
| 03:51.16 | rixth | zinx: did Linus himself come up with it? |
| 03:51.19 | peterS | abrotman: hehe |
| 03:51.33 | nvz | peterS: acetone work? |
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| 03:51.35 | BucWheat | how come apt-get install bunzip2 doesn't exist ? |
| 03:51.38 | peterS | rixth: 'foo' and 'bar' have been around for at least 40 years, probably longer |
| 03:51.42 | zinx | rixth: i somehow doubt it |
| 03:51.45 | aaryal | fubar? fucked up beyond all recognition? |
| 03:51.51 | rixth | zinx: where can I read some of the theories? |
| 03:51.54 | peterS | nvz: dunno. insects don't do well with alcohol. I suppose spiders won't either |
| 03:51.57 | aaryal | then foo, then foo bar i guess.. |
| 03:51.57 | peterS | nvz: can't hold their likker |
| 03:51.59 | gravity | BucWheat: It comes with the bzip2 package |
| 03:52.02 | abrotman | aaryal: foo/bar is different than fubar |
| 03:52.07 | shingouz | BucWheat: bzip2 iirc |
| 03:52.08 | BucWheat | ahh bzip2 thanks gravity |
| 03:52.13 | BucWheat | ditto shingouz |
| 03:52.17 | abrotman | nvz: get a bottle of lysol and a lighter! |
| 03:52.20 | wsmith | Where can I find information on how to tell apt to not install a particular package because I'm providing my own? |
| 03:52.28 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 03:52.28 | dpkg | i heard equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 03:52.32 | sgeigerbot | rixth: I believe foo and bar come from FUBAR, which is military slang for Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition |
| 03:52.43 | wsmith | !usrlocal |
| 03:52.44 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* install into /usr/local (normally with ./configure --prefix=/usr/local). Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: equivs, FHS, /opt |
| 03:52.54 | nvz | abrotman: that sob is just sitting there in the middle of that web outside the window, I can see him, he can see me.. as long as neither one of us moves, we should be fine |
| 03:52.55 | wsmith | !/opt |
| 03:52.55 | dpkg | i heard /opt is for crap what /usr/local is for well-behaving software. See usrlocal, FHS |
| 03:52.58 | sgeigerbot | rixth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar |
| 03:53.04 | abrotman | nvz: until you sleep |
| 03:53.04 | wsmith | !FHS |
| 03:53.04 | dpkg | somebody said fhs was the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 03:53.06 | rixth | Ah yes, that actually DOES explain the context it's used in. |
| 03:53.10 | pipeline | Bah |
| 03:53.13 | nvz | abrotman: ahh! shut up! :P |
| 03:53.14 | abrotman | wsmith: /msg dpkg <stuff> |
| 03:53.14 | rixth | Thanks sgeigerbot |
| 03:53.20 | wsmith | sorry. |
| 03:53.28 | pipeline | the /opt filesystem is just SVR4-speak for /usr/local |
| 03:53.29 | abrotman | nvz: sleep .. sleep |
| 03:53.37 | pipeline | beacuse eventually your /usr/local gets so filled with crap you can't keep things there |
| 03:54.08 | wsmith | thanks |
| 03:54.28 | nvz | abrotman: that web has been there as long as I have been here.. so it goes somewhere in the daytime.. but its been living there awhile I figure |
| 03:54.40 | hooya | to work? |
| 03:54.55 | rixth | I prefer F*'d up beyond all repair :) As Linux does with me in the drivers sear :) |
| 03:55.08 | abrotman | nvz: probably nibbles on your toes while you sleep |
| 03:55.18 | peterS | !abrotman++ |
| 03:55.29 | nvz | heh you guys... :P |
| 03:55.38 | nvz | tryin to scare me.. heh |
| 03:55.51 | peterS | I told you. show no mercy. |
| 03:56.06 | abrotman | nvz: so you've got a decently poisonous spider outside your window .. that goes somewhere .. and you don't know where .. and you still sleep in your room? |
| 03:56.10 | BucWheat | Would apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8-2 allow me to follow these instructions ? |
| 03:56.16 | BucWheat | http://channels.debian.net/paste/268. |
| 03:56.41 | abrotman | !tell BucWheat abotu kp |
| 03:56.43 | hooya | it must be spending it's day planning it's invasion into your room |
| 03:56.44 | nvz | I dont know much about this thing, for all I know it can jump and spit, and everything else.. right now, he's cool as a breeze.. I'd like to keep it that way.. I take that screen out to kill him and next thing I know he's in here on the tip of my nose |
| 03:56.44 | peterS | nvz: anyway - you should check images.google.com and see if this really *does* look like a brown recluse |
| 03:56.45 | abrotman | !tell BucWheat about kp |
| 03:56.59 | nvz | peterS: right.. |
| 03:57.02 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. one of those ... |
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| 03:57.06 | abrotman | peterS: i wouldn't fuck with that |
| 03:57.06 | peterS | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:57.14 | peterS | abrotman: that's why I keep telling him to kill it |
| 03:57.18 | helix | urgh, brown recluse |
| 03:57.26 | abrotman | nvz: they will get in your walls and breed |
| 03:57.36 | BucWheat | abrotman hrmm.. i think i've tried the kp way and i could never get the driver installed :( |
| 03:57.39 | nvz | ahh! |
| 03:57.49 | ireverentReveren | how do i get to a bash shell or a repair shell on the sarge installer? can i? |
| 03:57.59 | hooya | i looked it up in google. it's so brown recluse.. |
| 03:58.01 | abrotman | BucWheat: well .. |
| 03:58.04 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Stop. You are even scaring me. |
| 03:58.16 | stew | ireverentReveren: alt-f3, or maybe f2 |
| 03:58.19 | sgeigerbot | ...but only because you have nothing better to do. |
| 03:58.21 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: .us doesn't have many poisonous spiders .. the brown recluse is one of the worst |
| 03:58.29 | peterS | nvz,abrotman: very disturbing: http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/chp/brown%20recluse/ |
| 03:58.37 | hooya | http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/chp/brown%20recluse/brown5.jpg |
| 03:58.43 | nvz | peterS: those seem to have long legs.. this guy has short legs |
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| 03:58.57 | hooya | maybe he's just short.. |
| 03:58.58 | peterS | nvz: yeah. maybe you've got something totally different |
| 03:59.00 | abrotman | peterS: lovely pictures .. thanks :) |
| 03:59.12 | peterS | abrotman: images 6 and 7 are particularly nasty |
| 03:59.19 | abrotman | peterS: i noticed |
| 03:59.29 | viper | does anyone know if there is a dpkg for mono that i can find somewhere |
| 03:59.30 | abrotman | Xenguy: unless they eat you |
| 03:59.34 | stew | oh god |
| 03:59.38 | nvz | peterS: none of the ones I see on google have and black designs like this one has |
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| 04:00.00 | peterS | I wonder if the series is real or faked. I mean, who would stick around and get pictures over several days without getting serious medical attention? |
| 04:00.01 | Xenguy | abrotman: I am not a bug, I am a free man! ;-) |
| 04:00.04 | resiak | viper: You mean a mono package? |
| 04:00.05 | BucWheat | peterS it is amazing how fast the venom spreads |
| 04:00.06 | abrotman | viper: say what? |
| 04:00.10 | ireverentReveren | stew i only see installation options on the fx buttons |
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| 04:00.17 | ireverentReveren | unless i am missing something |
| 04:00.21 | abrotman | peterS: does .. that heal? |
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| 04:00.29 | peterS | abrotman: not at that point |
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| 04:00.36 | abrotman | urgh .. nasty |
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| 04:00.49 | Ghostbuster | hello all |
| 04:00.50 | viper | resiak ya sorry i am looking for a package to install mono |
| 04:00.50 | peterS | abrotman: you're talking amputation or *serious* plastic surgery. don't know what would be required for that dude |
| 04:00.51 | hooya | aw crap.. no mentors to torment. |
| 04:01.00 | resiak | viper: It's in unstable |
| 04:01.02 | stew | ireverentReveren: you need to actually boot a kernel first, so just hit enter at the boot prompt, then when its asking you for what kb variant or whatever, then you hit alt-f3 |
| 04:01.13 | abrotman | viper: it's also in sarge |
| 04:01.13 | ireverentReveren | ah, thanks |
| 04:01.16 | abrotman | !info mono sid |
| 04:01.16 | resiak | abrotman: It's not. |
| 04:01.19 | abrotman | resiak: it was |
| 04:01.20 | resiak | !info mono sarge |
| 04:01.20 | dpkg | mono: (The Mono .NET development environment), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 04:01.23 | abrotman | !info mono sarge |
| 04:01.27 | Xenguy | peterS: what the hell was that picture of the guy's hand all messed up? |
| 04:01.29 | resiak | 04:01 <dpkg> Package 'mono' does not exist. |
| 04:01.29 | wsmith | Dumb question regarding my prior, can't I just do echo -e "mypkg install" | dpkg --set-selections ? |
| 04:01.32 | abrotman | they took it away those bastards! |
| 04:01.42 | peterS | Xenguy: necrosis. the skin died and rotted away |
| 04:01.44 | viper | abrotman i have sarge and i couldnt get it from apt do i need a specific apt source or does it have a weird name? |
| 04:01.52 | helix | peterS: I don't think it's real -- you might want to check snopes though |
| 04:01.56 | resiak | !tell viper about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 04:02.01 | abrotman | viper: they took it out .. i think if you ask #debian-mono .. they will know more |
| 04:02.02 | helix | I remember seeing something about that |
| 04:02.06 | peterS | helix: right, I'm skeptical. grossed out, and skeptical |
| 04:02.17 | helix | spider bites can cause necrosis though |
| 04:02.19 | Xenguy | peterS: from what tho? |
| 04:02.20 | peterS | yeah |
| 04:02.21 | helix | I've seen black skin before |
| 04:02.25 | peterS | Xenguy: from the spider venom |
| 04:02.36 | stew | helix: undetermined: http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/brownrecluse.asp |
| 04:02.42 | helix | stew: ah, ok |
| 04:02.42 | Xenguy | peterS: ewww |
| 04:02.49 | malaptop | does anyone know how to host two IPs on one interface? It seems easy if they share the same gateway, but I'm nto sure how to do it if they do not. |
| 04:02.49 | abrotman | the venom causes the blood to stop flowing .. and nerve endings to die |
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| 04:03.16 | ireverentReveren | stew thank you, that got me a prompt, but i guess that wasnt what i really needed... i need to somehow get into a grub shell... but the computer wont boot off of its hard drives... |
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| 04:03.43 | stew | helix: but good call on snopes |
| 04:03.45 | resiak | Mmm, dead skin. |
| 04:03.56 | helix | go helix |
| 04:04.11 | stew | ireverentReveren: mount you hd, then chroot /mount/point, then fix grub |
| 04:04.19 | abrotman | so last night helix isn't cute .. and tonight nvz is a wussy with a big spider .. what next :) |
| 04:04.29 | stew | ireverentReveren: s/hd/root partition/ |
| 04:04.45 | peterS | abrotman: it's not a big spider. but from nvz's description it *sounded* to me like a brown recluse |
| 04:04.56 | peterS | abrotman: now he's saying it doesn't look like one, but from his description, I took it seriously (: |
| 04:05.01 | abrotman | peterS: short legs .. jumping spider? |
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| 04:05.08 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, I have no idea |
| 04:05.18 | abrotman | i like those little hunting/jumping spiders |
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| 04:06.00 | nvz | this guy is not going anywhere, he's gonna let me check him out good enough to classify |
| 04:06.27 | ireverentReveren | stew, my hds are not showing up in /dev right now... |
| 04:06.41 | stew | ireverentReveren: before or after you chrooted? |
| 04:06.44 | Phated | abrotman: abrotman gets the cake off his butt. |
| 04:07.15 | ireverentReveren | stew i cant mount the root partion to chroot... that is the point i am, attempting a mount |
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| 04:07.41 | skip_ | how do I play mpeg4 files in Amarok? |
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| 04:07.44 | abrotman | Phated: yay |
| 04:07.56 | abrotman | Xenguy: bronchitis does funny things to you :) |
| 04:08.05 | Xenguy | abrotman: ahh, that's it then :p |
| 04:08.59 | nvz | Xenguy: yeah everyone was in here talking about debian earlier too.. its freaky |
| 04:09.14 | chealer | skip_: video in Amarok, eh? |
| 04:09.19 | nvz | Xenguy: if I didnt have a spider starring me down, I would think the same |
| 04:09.19 | Xenguy | nvz: what's wrong with that picture? |
| 04:09.59 | stew | ireverentReveren: this is a sarge installer? |
| 04:10.08 | peterS | nvz: maybe you've discovered a new species |
| 04:10.09 | ireverentReveren | stew yeah |
| 04:10.22 | abrotman | nvz: they jump! |
| 04:10.36 | ireverentReveren | nvs hey, if it is a brown recluse just kill it... i got bit once, not fun at all... use a shoe.... |
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| 04:11.05 | cyziea | where is debian store its ifcfg-eth0 ??? in fc3, it is /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 |
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| 04:11.21 | nvz | abrotman: ahh! stfu! |
| 04:11.30 | drac | cyziea: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:11.37 | abrotman | nvz: what kind is it? |
| 04:11.46 | stew | ireverentReveren: what /dev are you trying? /dev/hd?? |
| 04:12.01 | nvz | abrotman: I am looking through glass anyhow. though I would still prolly scream if he ponced at me for looking too closely |
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| 04:12.04 | ireverentReveren | ls /dev actually |
| 04:12.15 | nvz | abrotman: hell if I know looks like a baby whatever it is |
| 04:12.17 | abrotman | nvz: did you check for a hole in the screen? |
| 04:12.32 | nvz | abrotman: its a fucking screen, there are alot of holes ass :P |
| 04:12.44 | BucWheat | what file do i need to put setterm -bfreq 0 in so i won't have to issue it everytime i login ? |
| 04:12.44 | abrotman | nvz: you know what kind of holes i mean damn nit |
| 04:12.52 | BucWheat | .bashrc ? |
| 04:12.54 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 04:12.55 | BucWheat | i'm using bash |
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| 04:13.13 | stew | hahahaha |
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| 04:14.28 | abrotman | so appropriate |
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| 04:16.09 | doublehp | some applications show the dates as MMDDYYYY ... how can I switch to DDMMYYYY or YYYYMMDD ? |
| 04:16.17 | BucWheat | what file do i need to put setterm -bfreq 0 in so i won't have to issue it everytime i login ? |
| 04:16.40 | peterS | doublehp: depends on the application |
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| 04:16.52 | peterS | doublehp: you can play with LC_TIME but I don't think most apps pay attention to that |
| 04:17.05 | stew | !cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/pooshes/takes $1 dahntahn fer a jumbo sammich before the bucs game|pooshes/ |
| 04:17.28 | stew | no/ |
| 04:17.38 | abrotman | that didn't work :) |
| 04:17.42 | stew | crap |
| 04:17.44 | nvz | looks a little like a araneus diadematus, is all I seen looks like him so far.. but they dont live around here, and their proposed location for living isnt in my window, its in bushes |
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| 04:19.07 | abrotman | nvz: does he eat humans ? |
| 04:19.30 | nvz | I dont know anything about spiders, cept the are creepy looking |
| 04:19.52 | abrotman | and nibble toes |
| 04:19.52 | brenda | They chew on my feet at night |
| 04:23.24 | chealer | people we need help to dominate #freenode /topic ! : Fundraiser: $3,618.78 / $25,200 (UNICEF: $342.16!) Please help! http://freenode.net/fundraiser.shtml | Recent: chealer @ #debian, Prime, group nslu2-linux, JsPr @ #ubuntu |
| 04:23.24 | chealer | who needs money anyway? |
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| 04:23.24 | doublehp | peterS: " Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. " ... which lib could be missing ? |
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| 04:23.25 | peterS | doublehp: what did you change it to? |
| 04:23.25 | abrotman | what is unicef? |
| 04:23.25 | peterS | abrotman: UN something children something fund |
| 04:23.25 | stew | abrotman: unicef.org |
| 04:23.26 | viper | can anyone recomend a server for my source.list of unstable? |
| 04:23.26 | chealer | abrotman: freenode gives 1/4 donations to UNICEF unless you opt-out |
| 04:23.26 | chealer | viper: apt-setup |
| 04:23.26 | peterS | abrotman: child-oriented relief fund administered by the UN |
| 04:23.26 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. i know .. what does it have to do with freenode .. which chealer just explained |
| 04:23.26 | brenda | Umm... Why do they need to dump our money into unicef? |
| 04:23.26 | viper | chealer wont that overwrite the entire file? |
| 04:23.26 | chealer | abrotman: tsunami |
| 04:23.26 | brenda | I don't like that idea... even if we can opt out. |
| 04:23.26 | chealer | viper: hum, good question, at least it shows you URLs |
| 04:23.26 | peterS | brenda: the recent tsunami was what did it |
| 04:23.31 | scarynetworkguy | brenda: So the people who do like that idea shouldn't have the choice? |
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| 04:23.53 | Maxzorin123 | Linux torvold =http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/biographies/eichmann.htm |
| 04:23.54 | brenda | So go to unicef and donate |
| 04:23.55 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: people who like that idea really can donate directly to unicef |
| 04:24.06 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: well ... you could donate directly to tsuynami releaf |
| 04:24.07 | chealer | it's obviously the first organization asking for donations I find that redistributes the money (except general help organization that are made to redistribute equally) |
| 04:24.17 | peterS | Maxzorin123: please don't troll here |
| 04:24.17 | abrotman | i have no fucking clue how that y got in there |
| 04:24.40 | brenda | As a rule, I donate 10% of my earnings, but this whole unicef thing sounds kind of fishy. I'll just opt out of the entire donation. |
| 04:24.55 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: abrotman True and note that I'm not saying I like it. But given that there is a opt-out I don't understand why one would be opposed. |
| 04:24.57 | abrotman | quite odd . given that his nick is Maxzorin123 .. the guy from A View to a Kill |
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| 04:25.11 | Maxzorin123 | Unicef does some good work, but the back financiing does work |
| 04:25.13 | brenda | scarynetworkguy: it's odd... fishy... weird |
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| 04:25.26 | Maxzorin123 | <abrotman good man |
| 04:25.45 | Maxzorin123 | you see the love in my name then |
| 04:26.01 | Maxzorin123 | I am comparing Linus Torvald to my apparent benefactor for my character |
| 04:26.04 | abrotman | right |
| 04:26.21 | brenda | It sounds like they're trying leech off of the Tsunami donations to me. |
| 04:26.22 | Maxzorin123 | and Peters though I was trolling |
| 04:26.23 | Maxzorin123 | bahhh |
| 04:26.41 | nvz | I think I am getting close on the spider thing, I found one that is said to spin round webs in peoples windows and looks kinda like mine, only bigger :P |
| 04:26.54 | doublehp | peterS: LANG="en_GB" mozilla-thunderbird did it ... otherwise it takes en-US what s horrible :) |
| 04:27.25 | peterS | doublehp: have you got the 'locales' package installed and configured to include support for en_GB? |
| 04:27.28 | doublehp | how do I change the deffault LC_ALL and LANG for my user ? |
| 04:27.38 | doublehp | peterS: now yes :) |
| 04:27.55 | doublehp | hmmm lets restart X |
| 04:27.55 | Maxzorin123 | Does anyone here need help? |
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| 04:28.16 | chealer | is lilo here? |
| 04:28.19 | Maxzorin123 | yep |
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| 04:28.34 | peterS | chealer: best place to look for him is in #freenode, though. then you can talk to him without being particularly off-topic |
| 04:28.47 | chealer | Maxzorin123: then he's asking for donations to freenode |
| 04:28.59 | jazzmans | what is the command to list all running processes? not top, in a list. |
| 04:29.04 | Maxzorin123 | I could donate ten thousand dollars if I wanted to |
| 04:29.04 | peterS | jazzmans: ps |
| 04:29.09 | TimFreeman | I want to package together three files in an email, and mpack sucks because it only supports one. What's a better utility than mpack? |
| 04:29.10 | Maxzorin123 | my family is fucking loaded |
| 04:29.15 | jazzmans | ty, I can't seem to remember that simple command. |
| 04:29.27 | abrotman | Maxzorin123: ok .. now you're being a pain in the ass |
| 04:29.51 | Maxzorin123 | I am just saying, if someone is looking for donations, and its a worthy cause, I could donate hella money if I wanted to |
| 04:29.59 | abrotman | then do it .. don't gloat/brag |
| 04:30.02 | abrotman | or be a dick |
| 04:30.04 | abrotman | just fucking do it |
| 04:30.17 | Maxzorin123 | I don't know who to talk to about it |
| 04:30.25 | Maxzorin123 | I would need tax forms and such |
| 04:30.34 | debian | Maxzorin123: just donate a million to thru paypal and I'll start doing something worthy |
| 04:30.38 | nvz | yeah this site just classifies these as "garden orb spiders" but there seems to be many pictures that all look similar to this one.. |
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| 04:31.07 | abrotman | nvz: they eat toes! |
| 04:31.11 | Maxzorin123 | that all depends |
| 04:31.15 | jazzmans | i'm reading man ps, how do I view all processes in cpu order (highest to lowest cpu usage?) I already know -A for all processes. |
| 04:31.18 | chealer | Maxzorin123: you can talk to people on #freenode if you want, or just talk to your paypal (http://freenode.net/fundraiser.shtml) |
| 04:31.20 | Xenguy | Maxzorin123: if you haven't seen it already -> http://www.debian.org/donations |
| 04:31.40 | Maxzorin123 | shit, which to donate too Debian or freenode |
| 04:31.51 | nvz | abrotman: haha. I got socks on.. do they eat socks too? |
| 04:31.55 | Annirak | How do I fork a commandline process into the background from ssh so it will continue to run when I disconnect? |
| 04:31.56 | Xenguy | Maxzorin123: definitely Debian =) |
| 04:32.08 | abrotman | nvz: if your toes are plump enough! |
| 04:32.17 | brenda | As long as they're not leeching off the Tsunami too |
| 04:32.23 | Maxzorin123 | what would it take to get them to rename Debian ZORIN!! |
| 04:32.24 | chealer | if you give to both, maybe you can get the debian.org cloak :) |
| 04:32.27 | Maxzorin123 | how much woudl that take? |
| 04:32.35 | debian | Maxzorin123: yes, me |
| 04:32.40 | abrotman | Maxzorin123: you don't even run debian .. why would you want to do that? |
| 04:32.49 | Xenguy | Annirak: use a screen session, or use 'nohup' + background the job (with '&') |
| 04:32.51 | abrotman | nvz: heh |
| 04:33.19 | Maxzorin123 | Well fuck freenode, I just when there and got a demigods have stolen my voice, they wont get a cent from me |
| 04:33.21 | Xenguy | Maxzorin123: OK, I'll ignore you now if you insist ;-) |
| 04:33.52 | Annirak | Xenguy: thanks |
| 04:33.52 | nvz | Beth Hart is ugly as all, but she rocks as far as I am concerned.. her song Immortal is a decent example |
| 04:33.52 | Xenguy | Annirak: yw |
| 04:33.55 | jazzmans | i'm reading man ps, how do I view all processes in cpu order (highest to lowest cpu usage?) I already know -A for all processes. |
| 04:34.11 | abrotman | jazzmans: top ? |
| 04:34.13 | nvz | everytime a piece of dust falls off the ceiling fan I am gonna freak out |
| 04:34.27 | Maxzorin123 | In what ways is Linus Torvald not worse than Adolf Eichmann? |
| 04:34.27 | abrotman | nvz: you could dust .... |
| 04:34.33 | nvz | I'll be screaming "AHH! Get off me!" all night |
| 04:34.33 | abrotman | Maxzorin123: shut up |
| 04:34.35 | jazzmans | top doesn't actually show in correct order when a program goes wonky and takes 99% cpu. |
| 04:34.38 | quentusrex | I am having problems with sound. I have a non-SB Live PCI Card. |
| 04:34.39 | Xenguy | Maxzorin123: bye |
| 04:34.45 | quentusrex | I can't play two sounds at the same time. |
| 04:34.45 | debian | nvz: my air conditioner doesn't spew dust... |
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| 04:34.53 | nvz | debian: yeah good idea |
| 04:35.04 | peterS | jazzmans: 'top -n1' is the best I know of |
| 04:35.05 | TCW | as an option in fstab, what means "pamconsole"? Neither the manpage of fstab nor from mount notes it |
| 04:35.11 | alindeman | Maxzorin123: #freenode is a social channel; we'll eventually get around to voicing you |
| 04:35.18 | alindeman | s/social/moderated, social/ |
| 04:35.24 | peterS | nvz: don't forget to seal your door cracks before you go to bed tonight |
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| 04:35.41 | abrotman | alindeman: he seems to be trolling here .. not sure i'd bother :) |
| 04:35.44 | myren | wow, this dist-upgrade is taking FOR-EVER |
| 04:35.47 | alindeman | abrotman: :) |
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| 04:35.55 | jazzmans | got it peterS, thanks. It was an instance of top I didn't kill rather I closed the konsole. (funny thing is I used top to find the konqueror process that had hung) |
| 04:35.58 | peterS | !ops <Maxzorin123> In what ways is Linus Torvald not worse than Adolf Eichmann? |
| 04:35.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: <Maxzorin123> In what ways is Linus Torvald not worse than Adolf Eichmann |
| 04:36.02 | peterS | just FTR |
| 04:36.16 | Maxzorin123 | FTR? |
| 04:36.18 | nvz | you guys are evil :P |
| 04:36.20 | peterS | for the record |
| 04:36.35 | Maxzorin123 | for the record linus Torvold is worse than Adolf Eichman? |
| 04:37.07 | peterS | start by spelling everyone's name correctly at the same time |
| 04:37.14 | Maxzorin123 | does anyone havean idea? |
| 04:37.17 | debian | Maxzorin123: if you've shitload of money go see doctors. You need medical help. |
| 04:37.41 | gravity | Maxzorin123: Go away |
| 04:37.49 | Maxzorin123 | its a legidimate question |
| 04:37.50 | nvz | man, thats sad |
| 04:37.50 | abrotman | peterS: they're all sleeping |
| 04:37.56 | abrotman | Maxzorin123: not for this channel it's not .. go away |
| 04:37.57 | chealer | Maxzorin123: you've got the trolling syndrom |
| 04:37.58 | gravity | Maxzorin123: No, it's really not |
| 04:37.59 | peterS | abrotman: I doubt it, at this time of day |
| 04:38.20 | abrotman | i alwys think cafuego is an op |
| 04:38.20 | Maxzorin123 | not trolling syndrome at all |
| 04:38.25 | debian | Maxzorin123: and that shitload of money is also your pure imagination |
| 04:39.42 | nvz | oh well, I guess I could follow up "Spiders in my bed" with "spiderwebs" but then again it has nothing to do with spiders and though I would totally not mind seeing Gwen right now, I dont want to hear her |
| 04:40.11 | nvz | so I'll play another beth hart song instead :P |
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| 04:40.14 | newb0 | is the 2038 bug anything to be concerned with? |
| 04:40.24 | peterS | newb0: not right now |
| 04:40.26 | abrotman | newb0: how old are you? |
| 04:40.46 | nvz | abrotman: hah, I was thinking the same thing, but had my beer in my hand trying to crack it open when you said it |
| 04:40.51 | Maxzorin123 | Does anyone have an answer to my simple question? |
| 04:40.55 | myren | ironicallly enough cpufreqd was the thing CONSTANTLY writing to syslog which was keeping my system from powering down. |
| 04:41.02 | myren | the irony factor is killing me |
| 04:41.06 | Maxzorin123 | in what way is Linus Torvold NOT worse than Adolf Eichman |
| 04:41.11 | peterS | myren: haha |
| 04:41.11 | Maxzorin123 | http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/biographies/eichmann.htm |
| 04:41.12 | abrotman | Maxzorin123: that question is completely off topic .. and disrespectful .. go away |
| 04:41.26 | Maxzorin123 | Disrespectful |
| 04:41.31 | peterS | Maxzorin123: shut up about linus torvold and adolf eichman already |
| 04:41.33 | Maxzorin123 | I never assert that he is worse than Eichman |
| 04:41.38 | Maxzorin123 | I am just asking a question |
| 04:41.45 | abrotman | Maxzorin123: shut up already .. noone cares |
| 04:41.47 | zinx | Maxzorin123: what does that have to do with debian support? |
| 04:41.53 | peterS | Maxzorin123: can you please go away *now*? |
| 04:41.55 | gravity | Maxzorin123: Go away |
| 04:42.11 | nvz | Maxzorin123: thats the essential problem. you are asking a question over and over to an audience that doesnt care. Sorry. try setting up a web poll |
| 04:42.28 | peterS | nvz: he should start a blog, with comments enabled |
| 04:42.33 | Maxzorin123 | thank you, that is an excelent idea |
| 04:43.15 | Maxzorin123 | <nvz is the one usefull person here, Linus is linked to Linux, I needed help getting my question answered and only <nvz helped, the rest of you are worthless pricks, <nvz good show |
| 04:43.33 | peterS | who is <nvz? |
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| 04:43.42 | abrotman | peterS: his horrible nick completer |
| 04:43.48 | gravity | heh |
| 04:43.53 | BucWheat | hehe |
| 04:43.53 | nvz | I only got away with the spider talk cause people here are enjoying scaring the shit out of me, and they all talked to me for the past 3 years.. so I can occationaly get away with being temporarororoaily off-topic.. heh that word consumed me.. seemed like I was typing the same thing over and over |
| 04:44.05 | peterS | nvz: hehe |
| 04:44.08 | jazzmans | Maxzorin, this is a channel dedicated to help with debian, why not ask your question in a general linux channel? |
| 04:44.09 | abrotman | nvz: no more coffee |
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| 04:44.34 | jazzmans | go try #linux. |
| 04:45.02 | chealer | Maxzorin123: better try #torvoldmorons |
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| 04:45.09 | Maxzorin123 | that is a very good point Jazzmans |
| 04:45.38 | chealer | Maxzorin123: everyone in that channel is just waiting for you to answer THAT specifically intelligent question |
| 04:45.45 | gazer | hi all, i'm looking for some info abour debian and nonfree firmware in linux kernel... anobody can point me to some status page of this task ? |
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| 04:46.05 | Maxzorin123 | <gazer www.sco.com |
| 04:46.13 | Maxzorin123 | has a great deal of information on Linux |
| 04:46.15 | alfTx | after sarge install is completed, it gives you the name of a command you can run to 're-enter' (more or less) the install package to make changes .. Like a dumb s??t i forgot to write it down.. anyone recall what it is, i'd greatly appreciate it.. |
| 04:46.16 | gravity | gazer: I don't think anyone has set up a page on that |
| 04:46.24 | abrotman | !ops Maxzorin123 is continuing to be a problem |
| 04:46.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Maxzorin123 is continuing to be a problem |
| 04:46.27 | simonrvn | gazer: debian removes the non-free blobs from the kernel source |
| 04:46.32 | gazer | gradzac, but, the firmware is still in debian's kerneles packages? |
| 04:46.33 | gravity | gazer: It's just been conducted via mailing lists and bugs |
| 04:46.56 | gazer | sorry, that was for gravity :P |
| 04:47.00 | gravity | gazer: I don't know what's going on with that right now. Some of it has been removed, I don't know if the task is finished yet |
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| 04:47.21 | simonrvn | Maxzorin123: done trolling yet? |
| 04:47.26 | alfTx | also have problem with fstab and an additional ide drive id installed after the installation.. |
| 04:47.27 | gazer | debin has a dedicated maillins list for this? |
| 04:47.28 | nvz | I like freenode, I also really like the Debian project. I try to see to it that anyone who wishes to participate can, and anyone who can't participate doesn't get the chance to cause trouble. I recognise the fine line between troll bashing and trolling yourself. So I try first to redirect anyone who may need it |
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| 04:47.41 | gravity | gazer: Not for this specifically, no |
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| 04:47.53 | Maxzorin123 | <nvz> why thank you |
| 04:48.03 | gazer | gravity, any hint of what list fearch for? |
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| 04:48.15 | gazer | s/fearch/search/ |
| 04:48.20 | nvz | you cant win them all.. so far I have counted two definate losses |
| 04:48.43 | gravity | gazer: There was a loooooong discussion about it on debian-devel a few months ago. You can try the debian-kernel list (I think that's there). Also check the BTS. |
| 04:48.50 | scatterp | can any one help me install my intel pro wireless 2100 card please |
| 04:48.56 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 04:48.56 | dpkg | it has been said that ipw2100 is ipw2100.sourceforge.com, find your intel wireless pro driver there. This driver doesn't work with merely the kernel-headers-* package; it wants the Makefile from the full source tree. Have fun building a custom kernel. ipw2100-source package in sarge/sid |
| 04:49.03 | gazer | gravity, oks, i will read the mail archives, thank you! |
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| 04:49.11 | gravity | gazer: You're welcome |
| 04:49.26 | shingouz | abrotman: i have spent the past couple of hours trying to make scatterp to read the docs. i give up |
| 04:49.31 | nvz | one manic depressive teen girl, and the other a long time #debian user who went militant fucktard over self rightousness |
| 04:49.33 | abrotman | shingouz: oh ok |
| 04:49.38 | simonrvn | for a force of nature, you're mighty helpful ;) |
| 04:49.39 | scatterp | shingouz i read the docs |
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| 04:49.46 | scatterp | i even quoted them to you shingouz |
| 04:49.46 | shingouz | no you did not |
| 04:49.51 | scatterp | if you dont know how to do it |
| 04:49.51 | abrotman | btw .. there is a #ipw2100 channel :) |
| 04:49.53 | scatterp | admit it |
| 04:49.55 | scatterp | dont flame me |
| 04:50.02 | scatterp | ive been reading for 3 days |
| 04:50.05 | scatterp | k thx |
| 04:50.11 | abrotman | i think there is |
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| 04:50.17 | scatterp | theres a #flame too |
| 04:50.18 | nvz | its sad, cause I think they both really wanted to be here, they just couldnt get a grip :( |
| 04:50.23 | myren | scatterp: use longer sentances, thats bad netiquette to flood the channel. |
| 04:50.28 | scatterp | thanks abrotman |
| 04:50.30 | abrotman | !ipw2100 is also #ipw2100 |
| 04:50.30 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 04:50.34 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 04:50.34 | dpkg | [ipw2100] ipw2100.sourceforge.com, find your intel wireless pro driver there. This driver doesn't work with merely the kernel-headers-* package; it wants the Makefile from the full source tree. Have fun building a custom kernel. ipw2100-source package in sarge/sid, or #ipw2100 |
| 04:50.41 | scatterp | sorry myren im just frustrated |
| 04:50.48 | simonrvn | the return key is not punctuation |
| 04:50.50 | abrotman | scatterp: i'm not being a dick . they just might know more .. i've never used it |
| 04:50.59 | scatterp | yeah it looks like they might |
| 04:51.02 | myren | no sweat, just a point of information |
| 04:51.02 | scatterp | let me try it out |
| 04:51.11 | scatterp | brb |
| 04:51.21 | simonrvn | robert's rules of order ;p |
| 04:51.22 | abrotman | scatterp: not a lot of people there . but you might just hang there for a bit |
| 04:51.37 | scatterp | its got 33 lets see if any ones around |
| 04:51.59 | nvz | I actually got that girl to change her nick like I had advised her to do before the incident, and directed her to #freenode to talk to staff. Lilo told her, he would not be involved. Said this channel was owned by the debian project and he would not interfere or over rule the operators |
| 04:52.05 | abrotman | scatterp: if not .. try again about 5 hours later if you're awake |
| 04:52.15 | scatterp | if not i wont sleep |
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| 04:52.26 | simonrvn | "the project" stays away from here |
| 04:52.27 | abrotman | nvz: spider! |
| 04:52.29 | wasabi_ | i'm looking for a program to send a key combination to a window on X |
| 04:52.31 | scatterp | im geting sick of being nailed to a danm ethernet wire |
| 04:52.35 | wasabi_ | any ideas? |
| 04:52.42 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 04:52.42 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little thermal paste, and a dozen sex-crazed badgers. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 04:52.47 | scatterp | !macro |
| 04:52.50 | scatterp | hmm |
| 04:53.00 | scatterp | try googleing linux macro perhaps |
| 04:53.10 | abrotman | wasabi_: you could ask #xfree86 .. i've never heard of such a thing |
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| 04:53.25 | simonrvn | wasabi_: xtermcontrol, there's some app to do it. gnome thing, but terminal based |
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| 04:53.54 | scatterp | looks dead abrotman |
| 04:54.07 | abrotman | scatterp: so try again in a few hours i guess |
| 04:54.09 | abrotman | !piav |
| 04:54.09 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 04:54.11 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:54.20 | scatterp | yeah hopefully |
| 04:54.43 | scatterp | i dont think my problem is wifi 2100 related |
| 04:54.51 | scatterp | its more kernel compileing issues |
| 04:55.04 | simonrvn | s/lei/li/ |
| 04:55.37 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 04:55.39 | abrotman | s/e// |
| 04:55.40 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:55.52 | scatterp | i dont see the options mentioned in the documentation on the site in the make menuconfig for some reason for example it says turn on experimental in code maturity to see the option for the card its self in wireless subsection but i dont see either of them |
| 04:55.59 | simonrvn | there's more than one 'e' ;p |
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| 04:56.03 | nvz | I sure dont ever see anyone from the debian project here.. but I think lilo made the right move.. I talked to her awhile.. she heard about debian in a magazine, and just hated windows and wanted to try something different.. she had a legit reason and purpose to be here, she just couldnt focus. Turns out she's a manic depressive self abusing teen who just spends too much time home alone being ignored by her father who most likely resents her. |
| 04:56.04 | abrotman | its mor krnl compiling issus |
| 04:56.13 | abrotman | simonrvn: i know .. look ^^ .. no lost value :) |
| 04:56.32 | scatterp | yeah |
| 04:56.35 | simonrvn | heh |
| 04:56.41 | abrotman | nvz: is that all ? |
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| 04:57.30 | chealer | nvz: who's that lilo? |
| 04:57.39 | abrotman | nvz: we get the occasiaonly .. and i think more people here are DDs than you realize |
| 04:57.41 | nvz | abrotman: her only mistakes were using an obvious female nick, instead of an ambiguous nick, and oversharing.. if you dont offer personal info, people will not know or care enough for anything to go wrong. we will all stay focused on the technical problems |
| 04:57.58 | nvz | abrotman: she just over shared.. and thats where it went wrong |
| 04:58.05 | abrotman | nvz: i over share :) |
| 04:58.29 | gravity | nvz: Are you talking about that one girl who was ranting about her friend who got raped or some shit? |
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| 04:58.38 | abrotman | nvz: i'm assuming you don't mean the freenode lilo |
| 04:58.38 | nvz | abrotman: well this (possibly fabricated) story was reall inappropriate |
| 04:58.42 | nvz | gravity: yep |
| 04:58.55 | abrotman | how do i miss all the fun stuff |
| 04:59.04 | abrotman | nvz: and how did she get the lilo nick ? |
| 04:59.04 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I mean lilo. |
| 04:59.10 | gravity | Ugh... she was annoying. I still don't believe she was a girl |
| 04:59.13 | abrotman | i thought lilo was rob somethingorother |
| 04:59.27 | aum | hi - anyone got any howto links or other advice on replacing SHA1 with SHA256 in debian core packages (eg passwd)? |
| 04:59.28 | nvz | abrotman: no, I had her goto #freenode and talk to staff after I talked to her, so maybe she could get back in here if she could get a grip |
| 04:59.32 | nvz | abrotman: lilo told her no |
| 04:59.34 | chealer | freenode's lilo is robert levyn I think |
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| 04:59.48 | abrotman | nvz: oh .. you dont remember the girls nick i guess |
| 05:00.05 | peterS | abrotman: or he does but he doesn't need people to be grepping through logs looking for juicy bits |
| 05:00.14 | nvz | abrotman: and like I said, I would have said the same thing.. she was too much trouble.. and you just dont need that drama here |
| 05:00.16 | abrotman | who has logs like that except Piggy |
| 05:00.34 | abrotman | nvz: dunno .. i could really overshare . and you'd all be shocked :) |
| 05:00.41 | nvz | heh |
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| 05:01.23 | abrotman | nvz: well ... whatever .. i don't know .. i barely pay attention as it is .. |
| 05:01.31 | abrotman | i mean .. i never help anyone .. and i'm a big prick bastard :) |
| 05:01.40 | nvz | I only mention things sometimes cause I have been here so long, I think you all have the right to get to know me a little.. I realize though you also have the right to not care, and I have a responsibility to stay on topic. So I try to keep it minimal, and only do it when there arent any people in here who need help, and its just the regulars talking |
| 05:01.58 | viper | has anyone here ever installed mono? |
| 05:02.09 | wasabi_ | yes |
| 05:02.11 | abrotman | nvz: oh ... i guess i can agree .. but peterS will remain a mystery |
| 05:02.16 | abrotman | viper: i did for a coworker |
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| 05:02.53 | guestish | whats the tool that can limit upload speed for a specific program? |
| 05:02.59 | abrotman | nvz: but i've noticed that when we go off on a tangent .. people do come in for real help sometimes .. and they get totally ignored |
| 05:03.13 | viper | abrotman any chance you can help me? I got it installed but every time i browse to a aspx page it tries to download it rather then displaying the output |
| 05:03.22 | guestish | nvm, found it |
| 05:03.23 | guestish | trickel |
| 05:03.24 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I read while I type.. like there are 2 questions now, but I dont have an answer anyhow.. |
| 05:03.24 | guestish | trickle |
| 05:03.32 | abrotman | viper: sounds like an apache problem .. ask #debian-mono if they are awake |
| 05:03.53 | guestish | KB means bytes right? |
| 05:03.53 | abrotman | guestish: didn't you ask me that the other day? |
| 05:03.57 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 05:04.04 | guestish | abrotman: yeah, forgot the name though |
| 05:04.09 | abrotman | guestish: oh ok |
| 05:04.15 | nvz | abrotman: thats another issue, revolving around #debian.. you cant just sit here and try to answer everything, sometimes if you dont know the best thing to do _is_ ignore it |
| 05:04.23 | viper | abrotman no one in there :( |
| 05:04.36 | abrotman | viper: as in 0 .. or none active |
| 05:05.04 | nvz | abrotman: if I see a problem that isnt getting solved, and I dont know. I will try to redirect the issue to somewhere it might get attention or help the person rephrase their question.. but giving a stupid response never helps |
| 05:05.09 | abrotman | nvz: well .. the worst i find is that when you spend a long time trying to help .. only to find you're over your head |
| 05:05.29 | nvz | I always let people know when they've picked my brain clean |
| 05:05.34 | viper | abrotman none active |
| 05:05.43 | abrotman | nvz: right .. but i feel like i've wasted thier time .. my time isn't important :) |
| 05:05.51 | nvz | hehe |
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| 05:06.01 | Lestat^O^ | hi |
| 05:06.07 | guestish | abrotman: when torrents are left unrestricted they really eat up the bandwidth... |
| 05:06.13 | abrotman | viper: oh . the only other place i can think to ask is maybe on irc.gnome.org .. see if there is a #mono channel maybe |
| 05:06.18 | guestish | abrotman: you know? |
| 05:06.19 | abrotman | guestish: i can see that |
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| 05:06.42 | viper | abrotman ok guess i will have to try that, thanks |
| 05:06.43 | nvz | gravity: the torrent clients manpage will help |
| 05:06.45 | Lestat^O^ | I have a doubt... for change IP just need to change into /etc/network-script/ifcfg-eth0 right? |
| 05:06.49 | abrotman | viper: sorry .. |
| 05:06.52 | nvz | gravity: they have their own bandwith limiters built in |
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| 05:07.00 | nvz | gravity: as the designers know this already |
| 05:07.19 | abrotman | it's late .. and i'm still undecided about work tomorrow . night all |
| 05:07.20 | gravity | nvz: Was that for someone else? |
| 05:07.25 | guestish | night |
| 05:07.37 | nvz | guestish: if you would have said torrent in the first place I would have answered you instead of ignoring it |
| 05:07.42 | nvz | gravity: yeah |
| 05:08.05 | gravity | :-) |
| 05:08.40 | nvz | I guess I am trying to do too much at once, and relying too hevily on tab completion |
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| 05:10.09 | nvz | guestish: like I was saying to gravity mistakenly.. the torrent clients have bandwidth limiting options built in, read the manpage |
| 05:10.57 | nvz | developers of things that suck bandwidth usually know it can happen, and build in safegaurds |
| 05:10.58 | guestish | nvz: i just did, i didnt even think of it, heh |
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| 05:11.11 | SNIa | hello |
| 05:11.14 | guestish | nvz: yeah, but the GUI frontends i've seen, for the most part they dont have limiters |
| 05:11.22 | nvz | guestish: yeah I found it the first time I ever used one.. when it about saturated my whole connection |
| 05:11.24 | SNIa | Curious if anyone has installed Debian with an nForce4 chipset? |
| 05:11.26 | guestish | nvz: at least not for both up and download |
| 05:11.31 | guestish | nvz: i know...it bites |
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| 05:11.46 | guestish | nvz: im gonna limit it so i at least can browse the web :) |
| 05:11.48 | nvz | guestish: you mean it bytes |
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| 05:11.59 | guestish | nvz: lol, yeah, that too |
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| 05:12.43 | Jacobo221 | what is better: rtc or genrtc? (talking about kernel modules) |
| 05:12.54 | guestish | jachebug: im still wondering about the difference |
| 05:13.13 | nvz | SNIa: thats a usage poll, use google. its not productive to do that here. Either try rephrase the question or ask a more appropriate audience |
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| 05:13.51 | Jacobo221 | guestish: genrtc doesn't create /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq and mplayer seems to need it |
| 05:13.55 | SNIa | I'm curious how to install Debian on my new system. I have an nForce board, but the installer doesn't see my hard drive |
| 05:14.05 | guestish | Jacobo221: i use rtc |
| 05:14.13 | nvz | SNIa: which installer? |
| 05:14.25 | nvz | SNIa: the install guide should cover what hardware is supported |
| 05:14.27 | Jacobo221 | guestish: oki, I guess I'll use that too |
| 05:14.38 | SNIa | using sarge netinst cd |
| 05:14.43 | guestish | Jacobo221: and i made a simple script that sets the 1024 frequency at start |
| 05:14.52 | guestish | Jacobo221: not even a script, 1 line ;) |
| 05:15.03 | nvz | SNIa: have you tried booting it with linux26? |
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| 05:15.10 | Jacobo221 | guestish: ye, as I have. but genrtc ignores it, so I'll have to unalias it |
| 05:15.37 | guestish | Jacobo221: i had to get rid of the module, it kept on wanting to be probed instead of rtc |
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| 05:15.46 | SNIa | nvz will shortly |
| 05:15.52 | Jacobo221 | guestish: fruck |
| 05:16.01 | guestish | Jacobo221: basically |
| 05:16.06 | nvz | SNIa: afaik, D-I boots linux 2.4 by default.. the 2.6 of course would probably have wider support for newer hardware |
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| 05:16.34 | chealer | yay! |
| 05:16.47 | cthulfuego | SNIa: serial ata mobo? |
| 05:16.48 | chealer | nvz: 2.4 indeed, for i386 at least |
| 05:17.11 | cthulfuego | SNIa: I have an nForce3 mobo and the sarge 2.6 kernel saw everything just fine. |
| 05:17.38 | nvz | yeah I am just gently spanking his issue, I don't know the specifics about support of nForce4 in linux |
| 05:17.46 | SNIa | cthulfuego: yeah serial ata, asus a8n-sli |
| 05:17.57 | SNIa | nforce4 |
| 05:18.04 | cthulfuego | SNIa: Ah, 4. Let me see. |
| 05:18.48 | chealer | I don't understand why TLDP's hardware howto is so incomplete. is there any better ressource? |
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| 05:19.12 | cthulfuego | SNIa: The 2.6.11-rc4 kernel source does *not* mention nforce4, only up to 3. |
| 05:19.39 | nvz | chealer: well I like specific sites, like for audio I go straight to the OSS or ALSA project websites, for printers I go to linuxprinting.org ..etc I never found one master source other than the kernel docs from kernel.org that really covers it all |
| 05:20.12 | cthulfuego | SNIa: Yep, I think you may be completely out of luck, unsupported as of yet. |
| 05:20.14 | chealer | nvz: yeah I talked too fast. but a quality general howto is pretty important. anyway :| |
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| 05:20.31 | nvz | chealer: these FOSS projects take alot of work to maintain. if you can write a howto, your help is welcome :) |
| 05:20.35 | mwilson | zooba zooba |
| 05:20.42 | myren | sometimes my ethernet doesnt show up on my laptop. i dont actually care, expect it throws my /etc/networking/interfaces off by a non-existant dev eth0. any ideas for overcoming? |
| 05:20.52 | mwilson | chealer: It is? Then why aren't you writing one? |
| 05:20.55 | chealer | nvz: yeah, I help doc at a few places |
| 05:21.06 | myren | i'm also interested in having multi configs for my interfaces anyways. my home is a static config, campus is a dhcp for dev eth2 |
| 05:21.19 | cthulfuego | SNIa: Although this website I just found claims it should work Ok (except perhaps for USB2) |
| 05:21.30 | nvz | I am going to try pushing my cousin to help out when he has the time.. he's quite a good artist.. and he has interest in linux, and likes a lot of games, like pingus.. I am trying to show him how his help can be useful to the projects |
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| 05:22.18 | peterS | myren: apt-cache search laptop network config |
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| 05:22.27 | nvz | He hasn't done much artwork lately.. I think maybe I can get him motivated to look for a project he can perhaps contribute to |
| 05:22.29 | myren | linux does not need more newbs. linux needs 6 years of dev before we even other starting the recruiting |
| 05:22.37 | myren | although artists linux is short on |
| 05:22.42 | chealer | mwilson: not really enough expertise. you need to know kernel for that. I don't |
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| 05:24.13 | nvz | I think he's really good. I dont know many artists, but I think hes a tad bit slow.. but I think his dedication to every detail is what makes him so good. I think he could really help improve the look of some things, if he put his mind to it.. and it would be the first time since he went through art school he really put his work out where people can really see it and appreciate it |
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| 05:24.31 | cthulfuego | SNIa: Ok, should work with an AMD64 kernel. If you have an Nvdidia 6600 PCI-E card, there may be issues with X. |
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| 05:24.34 | BucWheat | can someone please help me with my make modules errors. this is what i get http://channels.debian.net/paste/269. |
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| 05:25.09 | quentusrex | shadow? |
| 05:25.13 | cthulfuego | BucWheat: You're building a broken kernel. |
| 05:25.28 | orfeu | i install nvidia drivers and nvidia-glx but when start kde, logo apear and after that all thngs run oky but not wolk oky the logo with nvidia remains !? pls help me |
| 05:25.37 | SNIa | 6800 card |
| 05:25.38 | BucWheat | cthulfuego how is it broken? |
| 05:25.57 | cthulfuego | BucWheat: it contains references to structs that don't exist anymore. |
| 05:26.02 | cthulfuego | BucWheat: Which version is that? |
| 05:26.07 | BucWheat | cthulfuego 2.6.10 |
| 05:26.11 | beth | aw, she's not *that* ugly |
| 05:26.14 | cthulfuego | BucWheat: Which compiler are you using? |
| 05:26.17 | nvz | I looked today at how the artwork contributed to the SuperTux game has drastically pushed them to their first milestone. And like you said, linux is short on artists it seems. |
| 05:26.31 | cthulfuego | !mock beth |
| 05:26.33 | nvz | beth: haha |
| 05:26.52 | nvz | beth: I don't remeber what she looks like, but the one time I did see her, she was pretty ugly |
| 05:26.57 | chealer | supertux 0.1 is really impressive |
| 05:27.19 | BucWheat | cthulfuego gcc i guess |
| 05:27.19 | beth | I'm just going by what's on google images :) |
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| 05:27.26 | nvz | chealer: yeah my other cousin here, has a 6y/o and she loves supertux |
| 05:27.27 | BucWheat | cthulfuego i just did a fresh install of sarge |
| 05:27.31 | cthulfuego | !vagueness |
| 05:27.31 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 05:27.54 | BucWheat | cthulfuego let me get version |
| 05:27.55 | cthulfuego | SNIa: It migth be a naughty suggestion, but on an AMD64, I recommend Ubuntu Linux. |
| 05:28.16 | BucWheat | cthulfuego gcc-3.3.5 |
| 05:28.33 | cthulfuego | BucWheat: Ok, that *should* work. Did you patch the kernel source in any way? |
| 05:28.36 | SNIa | got some of their cd's comming. I had a feeling getting the some of the latest hardware there was going to be some problems |
| 05:28.39 | chealer | nvz: same thing here. all children that don't fear the basement like supertux and tuxracer. I thought games was one area open source wouldn't work |
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| 05:29.16 | cthulfuego | SNIa: Well, the actual debian amd64 port isn't official as of yet (and the mirror site for it sucks ass) - i'm using ubuntu on mine and it's mainly great. |
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| 05:29.42 | BucWheat | cthulfuego nope. i'm merely trying to follow these instructions |
| 05:29.46 | BucWheat | cthulfuego let me paste them as well |
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| 05:30.02 | cthulfuego | Well, I 8do* have a sid 32bit chroot |
| 05:30.06 | nvz | chealer: I got nearly 30 linux games on her desktop, 20 or so cartoon network flash games, nintendo games.. etc and she just keeps playing that supertux every day.. she's nearly beat it |
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| 05:30.31 | BucWheat | cthulfuego http://channels.debian.net/paste/270 |
| 05:30.49 | BucWheat | cthulfuego www.comedi.org/download/ is where i'm getting the comedi tarballs |
| 05:30.50 | nvz | chealer: she doesnt seem to be afraid of anything.. I've tried scaring her.. aliens, bugs, you name it.. she doesnt get scared easily |
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| 05:31.51 | cthulfuego | BucWheat: apt-cache show comedi-source' |
| 05:32.04 | cthulfuego | BucWheat: Just use the debian kernel. |
| 05:32.05 | chealer | nvz: yeah...I've got some old windows CDs not too far away and children will go over that and play anyway :) |
| 05:32.37 | BucWheat | cthulfuego how can i follow those steps with debian kernel ? |
| 05:33.24 | cthulfuego | BucWheat: You just don't follow those steps, as they will overwrite files in /etc (which is BAD) |
| 05:33.29 | chazwurth | Which of the manuals on the Debian web site should I read if I'm looking for a comprehensive guide to Debian? Is it the 'Debian Reference'? |
| 05:33.46 | cthulfuego | BucWheat: comedi is packaged for debian, use the prepackaged stuff and read the docs that come with THOSE. |
| 05:33.52 | myren | wmhdplop rocks my world |
| 05:34.03 | nvz | chazwurth: depends on what kind of guide you are looking for... |
| 05:34.18 | BucWheat | cthulfuego i spent all weekend trying to use the comedi package that comes with debian and the docs in that package are the same in the tarballs |
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| 05:34.25 | nvz | chazwurth: there is an install guide, new maintainers guide..etc.. etc |
| 05:34.31 | BucWheat | cthulfuego and after 72 hours i have yet to get it installed |
| 05:34.38 | nvz | chazwurth: depends on what you are trying to do with debian |
| 05:34.59 | BucWheat | cthulfuego i went to the comedi mailing list and the steps i posted is what a guy sent me |
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| 05:35.19 | orfeu | i install nvidia drivers and nvidia-glx but when start kde, logo apear and after that all thngs run oky but not wolk oky the logo with nvidia remains !? pls help me |
| 05:35.22 | chazwurth | nvz: I don't need an install guide, I already have a working installation. I mostly want to understand the system better -- how it's set up, Debian-specific tools I may not be aware of, etc. |
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| 05:35.58 | chazwurth | nvz: A detailed account of how it handles runlevels, init scripts, things like that. |
| 05:36.02 | nvz | chazwurth: ah. well this channel is a good ref, but most of the guides are packaged, if you want something you can d/l and read offline when you need to |
| 05:36.27 | nvz | chazwurth: we can help you with any _specific_ issue you may have, if you can get here when you need to know something |
| 05:36.55 | chazwurth | nvz: So there isn't one guide that covers pretty much everything? I don't mind downloading a bunch of manuals, I just thought that maybe there was one Big Definitive Book or something :) |
| 05:37.11 | nvz | chazwurth: runlevels are pretty simple the scripts for the services are in /etc/init.d/ and links are placed to start/stop them in /etc/rc#.d/ where # is the runlevel :P |
| 05:37.15 | chealer | orfeu: what do you mean by "wolk oky"? |
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| 05:39.03 | orfeu | chealer work oky |
| 05:39.08 | nvz | chazwurth: like I say there are packages which contain the documentation, like debian-reference-en for example is the english version of the Debian System Administration guide you can d/l |
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| 05:39.45 | chazwurth | nvz: Great, I'll take a look at that |
| 05:40.03 | orfeu | chealer but not so oky because i don't understang many thinks from my desktop ! |
| 05:40.04 | nvz | chazwurth: doc-debian is general docs and FAQ |
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| 05:40.59 | chealer | orfeu: things run, but they don't work? it might be me, but I can't see the nuance |
| 05:41.00 | nvz | chazwurth: developers-reference and policy-doc for people interested in being a Debian Developer or understanding debian policy |
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| 05:41.24 | g8se | Whats the 'debian' way of doing a local script to start on bootup? |
| 05:41.43 | nvz | g8se: the links are numbered for order in which they start/stop. S is for start, K is for kill |
| 05:41.54 | chazwurth | nvz: I should have looked for packages :) I was just browsing the documentation section of the website. |
| 05:42.04 | nvz | g8se: runlevels are pretty simple the scripts for the services are in /etc/init.d/ and links are placed to start/stop them in /etc/rc#.d/ where # is the runlevel :P |
| 05:42.14 | gravity | g8se: Throw the script in /etc/init.d and add a S link to the appropriate runlevel directory (probably level 2) |
| 05:42.18 | nvz | g8se: you make a script in /etc/init.d/ and link it with update-rc.d or such |
| 05:42.42 | nvz | g8se: if its just a few simple commands, you could use the existing /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh instead of making a new one |
| 05:43.19 | nvz | chazwurth: yeah all that stuff is the exact same stuff in the packages, its the html files off the website |
| 05:43.41 | g8se | I was aware of the sysv way of doing it. I was just hoping there was a /etc/rc.boot or /etc/rc.local or something. |
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| 05:43.48 | nvz | chazwurth: if you need offline docs to read, thats what you want, but if you need online help, this would be a good place, as well as checking out the debian mailing lists |
| 05:44.08 | BucWheat | cthulfuego you still there ? |
| 05:44.11 | chealer | !tell g8se about rc.local |
| 05:44.47 | chazwurth | nvz: Thanks for the info. I don't have any specific problems I need help with; installing and configuring on my new laptop was a breeze, actually. Mostly I'm just looking for manuals, and now I know where to find 'em :P |
| 05:44.52 | cyziea | variable input store 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0 how can i extract the ip address before / and the netmask after / |
| 05:44.53 | nvz | chazwurth: the packages are just to install all that stuff to /usr/share/doc/ where you can bookmark it and read it anytime. |
| 05:45.47 | nvz | chazwurth: debian is all about a stiff policy that brings together a fine package management system.. learn your package manager well, and you should be fine |
| 05:45.57 | g8se | nvz: won't /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh get overwritten by a package on upgrade? |
| 05:46.17 | cyziea | j #bash |
| 05:46.20 | chazwurth | nvz: I've read the apt man pages a couple times already :) |
| 05:46.21 | nvz | g8se: nope, packages are forbidden by debian policy to overwrite things. they have to ask |
| 05:46.21 | g8se | chealer: yeah, but it's a lazy situation!! (it's a in a uml for development) |
| 05:46.50 | nvz | chazwurth: well apt is cool, it has super cow powers and all.. but an interactive package manager is good too |
| 05:46.56 | chazwurth | lol |
| 05:47.01 | g8se | nvz: so does debian policy say that everything in /etc is sacrosanct? (ie, has to ask before writing) |
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| 05:47.35 | nvz | g8se: no, but if it exists it does |
| 05:47.36 | peterS | cyziea: foo=192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0; ip=${foo%/*}; mask=${foo#*/} |
| 05:47.54 | chazwurth | nvz: Interactive how? As in GUI? |
| 05:48.05 | g8se | cool, thanks for the info all |
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| 05:48.09 | nvz | g8se: if its installing a file that doesnt exist thats one thing, but a package cannot contain a file owned by another package or replace even its own config file without asking |
| 05:49.06 | nvz | chazwurth: well aptitude is ncurses based interactive package manager, it runs on console, and its also a drop-in replacement for apt-get and apt-cache on the command line.. and its part of sarge base IIRC so its already installed if you use sarge. |
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| 05:49.52 | nvz | chazwurth: so if you run "aptitude" it starts an interactive package browser. if you run "aptitude install foo" or "aptitude search foo" it behaves much like apt-get or apt-cache |
| 05:50.02 | cyziea | peterS, thanks |
| 05:50.06 | cyziea | let me try |
| 05:50.26 | shakparl | hello does anyone use a cordless usb mouse |
| 05:50.50 | chazwurth | nvz: That sounds convenient, I'll give it a try |
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| 05:51.12 | nvz | chazwurth: its got a whole set of super powers of its own. :) |
| 05:52.16 | nvz | shakparl: anyone: no such nick/channel |
| 05:52.25 | shakparl | nvz: :P |
| 05:52.28 | chazwurth | OK, I must sleep. Thanks again for the help. |
| 05:52.36 | chazwurth | Have a good one :) |
| 05:52.47 | shakparl | nvz ok i have a usb hid receiver with just mouse - kensington pocket mouse |
| 05:52.58 | nvz | now I am looking for a longer one |
| 05:53.02 | shakparl | nvz what kernel |
| 05:53.12 | nvz | shakparl: I use 2.4.29 here at the moment |
| 05:54.31 | shakparl | ah i have 2.4.26; it seems to detect based on what syslog says |
| 05:54.39 | shakparl | is there a good howto on this nvz? |
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| 05:55.17 | BucWheat | well looks like cthulfuego bailed on me :( |
| 05:55.20 | cyziea | peterS, can i pm u? i dont understnad the code but it work |
| 05:55.36 | peterS | cyziea: ok.. |
| 05:55.58 | nvz | I have no idea. I load up (actually dont have to load as they are built-in to my custom kernel) my USB HCD (uhci), human interface (hid), input layer (input), and mouse/keyboard (usbmouse/usbkbd) modules. then I configure X to use /dev/input/mice and it works |
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| 05:57.34 | shakparl | aha maybe is /dev/input/mice pointing to wrong place |
| 05:57.36 | shakparl | thx nvz |
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| 05:57.49 | nvz | I doubt it |
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| 05:58.31 | nvz | once you make it here with an issue generally works better to state the specific problem and let someone else show you whats wrong |
| 05:58.49 | scatterp | i am just finishing the make command after rebuilding my kernel should i now apt-get install grub and make modules_install ? |
| 05:58.54 | nvz | than to try and find one single person who has done it and ask them random useless facts |
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| 05:59.12 | shakparl | ah. |
| 06:00.05 | BucWheat | nvz i'm trying to install comedi drivers and a guy from the mailing list sent me instructions on how he installed them and i'm having problems doing the same |
| 06:00.14 | BucWheat | primarily when i make modules for 2.6.10 kernel |
| 06:00.19 | shakparl | nvz: one other thing what is the Protocol for your mouse in /etc/X11/XF86Config - PS/2, ImPS/2? |
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| 06:01.26 | nvz | shakparl: I use ImPS/2 |
| 06:01.35 | shakparl | nvz: ok thanks again |
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| 06:02.48 | nvz | what the hell is a comedi driver? is that a driver for you PC's sense of humor? |
| 06:02.53 | SNIa | kernel 2.6 on the debian installer works with nForce4 |
| 06:03.02 | SNIa | thanks for the suggestions nvz, didn't think of it |
| 06:03.06 | calyth | nvz: lol |
| 06:03.13 | nvz | SNIa: no problem :) |
| 06:03.31 | nvz | SNIa: you would have thought of it after reading the install guide.. but you figured it out anyhow :P |
| 06:03.41 | BucWheat | nvz hehe. it is a driver for measurement equipment |
| 06:03.43 | BucWheat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.55 | BucWheat | nvz that is the set of instructions i'm following |
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| 06:04.12 | BucWheat | i've also tried comedi-source from apt-get and i have no luck installing it that way either :( |
| 06:04.23 | nvz | what do you want me to do about it? I haven't a clue. |
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| 06:04.47 | nvz | I think I give people the impression I am some kind of super hero around here sometimes |
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| 06:05.07 | nvz | people will randomly come to me needing rescued from evil |
| 06:05.12 | BucWheat | nvz exactly, you are a debian superhero |
| 06:05.47 | scatterp | can any one help me with recompileing my kernel theres 2 options i need and they say the feature depends on another thats compiled as a module but they dont say what feature |
| 06:05.48 | cthulfuego | whee, supertux runs at 100fps |
| 06:06.09 | BucWheat | omgosh i'm in a crisis and cthulfuego leaves to play supertux hehe |
| 06:06.40 | nvz | its like when my cousin is in here asking people for help, then see's me on here, and instead of letting me jump in and contribute, he calls me.. then he picks my brain dry to where I cant help him anymore. where if he had let me help him in here, we would all be able to work out the issue |
| 06:06.52 | cthulfuego | BucWheat: I told you to use the debian packages, rather than install from downloaded tarballs. It's not MY fault you choose to ignore good advice. |
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| 06:07.09 | BucWheat | nvz haha what is his nick? |
| 06:07.23 | nvz | starfish I believe |
| 06:07.44 | BucWheat | cthulfuego i said i tried to use debian packages and i couldn't get it installed. the docs in deb packages are same as tarballs |
| 06:08.25 | BucWheat | cool |
| 06:08.33 | peterS | BucWheat: you'll recognise him as the one who calls nvz something besides nvz or enveezee |
| 06:08.39 | nvz | this is almost relaxing for me.. I learn a little, I teach a little, and I can walk away at anytime |
| 06:08.56 | BucWheat | peterS heh |
| 06:09.00 | nvz | when people single me out its pressure |
| 06:09.09 | shakparl | nvz: i need you to help me ;> |
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| 06:09.38 | nvz | peterS: yeah that bothers me |
| 06:09.59 | BucWheat | nvz does he call you by your real name? |
| 06:10.13 | nvz | peterS: not because he uses my name so much.. but because it shows lack of understanding of this channel |
| 06:10.18 | peterS | nvz: indeed |
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| 06:10.30 | nvz | like I said earlier, you have to be a bit ambigous for this to work |
| 06:10.42 | shakparl | what's the best clustering software for debian |
| 06:10.46 | nvz | nobody ever needs to know for sure where you stand on any issue |
| 06:10.58 | BucWheat | nvz as ambiguous as the spider on your window sill ? |
| 06:11.04 | nvz | ahh! |
| 06:11.29 | nvz | when you loose that, this becomes some kind of political war |
| 06:12.10 | scatterp | i am trying to enable CONFIG_CRYPTO in the kernel it has a line through it and wont enable any one know why ? |
| 06:12.31 | BucWheat | scatterp what are you trying to encrypt ? |
| 06:12.46 | westside | anyone know what to update when ifup reports "Unrecognized Kernel Version"? try to get 2.6.10 up...I did this before but can't remember and I'm not able to google right now |
| 06:12.55 | westside | s/try/trying |
| 06:13.10 | scatterp | BucWheat intel pro wireless 2100 card |
| 06:13.37 | BucWheat | scatterp oh. i was just being noisy. you trying to get an intel centrino laptop running debian ? |
| 06:13.52 | scatterp | yeah |
| 06:13.57 | BucWheat | cool |
| 06:14.02 | nvz | I also said this before.. in Irssi, you can type a line, then hit the down arrow, and it saves it in your buffer, you can either never say it, or go back to it later.. I use that extensively.. I type a lot more than what you see, and often things I say were typed in advance, I was just waiting for the moment to say em |
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| 06:14.26 | shakparl | 2.4 net-inst was a smooth install on my dell inspiron 2500 |
| 06:14.39 | shakparl | incl wifi drivers |
| 06:14.43 | peterS | nvz: indeed. I didn't know about the history saving thing until recently - usually when I have a thought I want to spit out but need to say something else first, I delete it with C-u or something, and re-paste (C-y) later |
| 06:14.46 | shakparl | i <3 debian |
| 06:14.54 | SNIa | I get an error on the debian installer, says unable to copy kernel, hdi not valid block device. I drop to console I see /dev/ide/host4.... all that is there, I see no hdi |
| 06:15.00 | SNIa | anny ideas? |
| 06:15.01 | scatterp | shakparl so why cant i enable CONFIG_CRYPTO in the kernel any ideas ? |
| 06:15.19 | scatterp | shakparl i used net-inst |
| 06:16.25 | nvz | peterS: I love it, its slick. I use it for all kinds of things, if someone else answers something I am typing, I can just press down and start typing something else instead.. or if I have something impolite to say I can just act like I am saying it.. or if I ask someone for some info, and assume their reply, I can type out a response in advance and go on talking to other people and come back to it later |
| 06:16.42 | difeta | how come when i do a single click quickley it acts as a double click? |
| 06:16.42 | shakparl | scatterp: what kernel |
| 06:16.46 | peterS | nvz: heh, indeed |
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| 06:17.01 | scatterp | 2.6.10 |
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| 06:18.06 | westside | so no ones upgraded to 2.6.10 and run into a problem with ifup complaining about an unrecognized kernel version? |
| 06:18.35 | cthulfuego | westside: nope. And not on 2.6.11-preX either. |
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| 06:18.49 | deb_noob | hallo |
| 06:18.50 | cthulfuego | westside: Then again, you MIGHT be using woody. |
| 06:19.13 | westside | ok I installed woody and upgraded |
| 06:19.22 | deb_noob | anyone know how to determine the vertical refresh frequency of a laptop lcd? |
| 06:19.23 | shakparl | westside maybe double check your apt sources.list |
| 06:19.37 | westside | k |
| 06:20.00 | cthulfuego | deb_noob: it's 60. But just ctrl-c that screen and run X cfg again, this time choose 'Simple'. |
| 06:20.10 | deb_noob | ?? |
| 06:20.33 | cthulfuego | deb_noob: If you configire X and choose 'Simple' for the screen setup, it won't ask about refresh |
| 06:20.46 | cthulfuego | deb_noob: Coz it can probe it all by itself. |
| 06:21.04 | deb_noob | im past that, and trying to re-configure using xf86config |
| 06:21.10 | cthulfuego | And contrary to popular belief, X *is* smarter then most users ;-) |
| 06:21.11 | shakparl | scatterp: i'm stumped sorry |
| 06:21.15 | cthulfuego | deb_noob: Don't. |
| 06:21.16 | scatterp | k |
| 06:21.19 | jm_ | I suppose manual will tell you |
| 06:21.25 | cthulfuego | deb_noob: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 06:21.27 | deb_noob | no manual |
| 06:21.33 | jm_ | not even on the net? |
| 06:21.48 | cthulfuego | deb_noob: Choose 'Simple' for screen, just pick the maximum res when asked. |
| 06:21.51 | deb_noob | nope..propriatary dell |
| 06:22.01 | shakparl | deb_noob: he's right; i didn't have to specify vert refresh and horiz sync values for my laptop screen, and i have a little sh script to switch config files between lcd and crt |
| 06:22.02 | destrius | which one? |
| 06:22.09 | jm_ | well do what cthulfuego says and see if read-edid works |
| 06:22.18 | cthulfuego | shakparl: You don't need to specify them for ANy screen. |
| 06:22.34 | deb_noob | i can get 1024x768 8bit using linspire's live cd, but not w/ debian's autoconfig |
| 06:22.48 | destrius | the dell 700m's need special X setups, if that's what you have |
| 06:22.52 | cthulfuego | shakparl: It only leads to problems when people think they know better then the software. |
| 06:23.07 | cthulfuego | Some people do, most do not. |
| 06:23.09 | deb_noob | 700m? |
| 06:23.19 | shakparl | cthulfuego: yah i'm just used to the old days when you did have to specify them |
| 06:23.20 | deb_noob | inspiron.. |
| 06:23.34 | cthulfuego | shakparl: Superprobe is evil. |
| 06:23.54 | TCW | cya |
| 06:23.59 | deb_noob | gnite |
| 06:24.31 | deb_noob | the real problem is XGI cards are unsupported |
| 06:24.37 | shakparl | deb_noob: if you want my xf86config files i send them, but the deb x config is a breeze |
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| 06:25.02 | deb_noob | i'm using the cofig ok, but cannot find a setting it likes |
| 06:25.57 | deb_noob | i know 1024x768 & 60hz, and 48 horix refresh, but what is the vert? |
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| 06:26.28 | cthulfuego | deb_noob: You'll need to use Google to find a modeline then. |
| 06:26.39 | deb_noob | whats a modelie? |
| 06:26.48 | cthulfuego | !fgi deb_noob modeline |
| 06:26.49 | dpkg | deb_noob: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=modeline |
| 06:26.54 | shakparl | uaaaa |
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| 06:27.59 | deb_noob | looking.... |
| 06:28.23 | jm_ | deb_noob: 60 is vertical |
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| 06:30.39 | deb_noob | really? |
| 06:30.50 | deb_noob | is that what they meant? |
| 06:30.54 | cthulfuego | deb_noob: Yes, what's what I told you right at the start. |
| 06:30.58 | kciop | hi! |
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| 06:31.37 | deb_noob | mkay. ill try putting that in the vesa prompts |
| 06:32.17 | kciop | i have just a simple question : does woody support 200Gb disk? if not how can we manage it to support it? |
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| 06:32.59 | deb_noob | new topic: does sarge have ndiswrapper installed by default? |
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| 06:33.07 | cthulfuego | deb_noob: No. |
| 06:33.25 | deb_noob | a similar application? |
| 06:33.37 | cthulfuego | kciop: No. You need 1) A new kernel (2.4.27 should do just fine) and 2) a decent 48bit IDE controller. |
| 06:33.45 | cthulfuego | deb_noob: No. |
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| 06:35.06 | deb_noob | mkay. a guy on linux-laptops got my machine's wifi working under gentoo w/ ndiswrapper. is it reasonable to think i can do the same w/ debian? |
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| 06:36.36 | HugoDrax | hello |
| 06:37.24 | kciop | cthulfuego, can I install woody on a already partitioned 200gb disk? |
| 06:37.59 | deb_noob | kciop: yes |
| 06:38.09 | kciop | :D |
| 06:38.29 | deb_noob | if one of those partitions is free and available |
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| 06:39.32 | kciop | mmmm i'm wondering if there is a distrib that got the latest kernel (in order to support my 200gb disk) |
| 06:39.40 | sussudio | !tell LunarFaul about away |
| 06:40.05 | deb_noob | kciop: have you tried it? |
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| 06:40.19 | bbrazil | kciop: thats probably a hardware problem... |
| 06:40.24 | deb_noob | i found the regular install tool pretty powerful |
| 06:40.30 | kciop | woody can only find 120gb on my 200gb disk |
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| 06:41.24 | kciop | cthulfuego tells me that woody (with an old kernel 2.4) cannot see it .... so i cannot part my disk properly. |
| 06:41.25 | deb_noob | so partition off 120 and use the remainedr for something else. dont need that much anyhoo |
| 06:42.05 | kciop | i just cannot ... |
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| 06:42.25 | deb_noob | cant shmant |
| 06:42.53 | deb_noob | battery dyin. gnite. |
| 06:42.54 | Jenns | Hey guys, my system admin just upgraded uw-imap, during the process it was was put live slightly misconfigured. Anyone who connected had their /var/mail/username file emptied and the mail moved to somewhere... I know the mail simple wasnt deleted because even though /var/mail/username was empty I could still see the contents of that file through various imap clients. Any idea where a fairly default uw-imap may of moved it all so I can info |
| 06:43.01 | kciop | so i have to find out if we can install debian on an already partioned disk |
| 06:43.05 | orospakr | how does one get the openssl.pc file on a debian system? |
| 06:43.24 | cthulfuego | kciop: Of course, why the hell would you not be able to do that> |
| 06:43.38 | cthulfuego | kciop: Just keep in mind the installer *still* won't be able to see past 137GB. |
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| 06:47.34 | SNIa | is there anyway to manually install debian? is there a mountpoint that temporarly mounts while doing the install? |
| 06:48.06 | kciop | cthulfuego, ok thx !! do u have an advice about a live distrib that can handle 200gb disk? :D |
| 06:48.35 | kciop | cthulfuego, knoppix seems good :) |
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| 06:49.54 | jm_ | SNIa: read install manual |
| 06:50.49 | scatterp | can some one tell me why in make menuconfig CONFIG_CRYPTO would have a - and not change when i press y |
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| 06:52.13 | DanC | hmm... I'm trying to figure out how the "boot from LAN" bios option works on this cw33 motherboard. |
| 06:52.34 | DanC | I have a D-Link PCI ethernet card in the machine; will the BIOS talk to it at boot time? |
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| 06:58.04 | nvz | oh well I must not be that tired.. |
| 06:58.33 | scatterp | i am haveing trouble enableing the following in the make menuconfig CONFIG_CRC32 CONFIG_CRYPTO CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 all have a - and when i press y i get no effect any one know why kernel 2.6.10 (trying to install a intel pro wireless 2100 card) |
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| 06:59.36 | holycow | *oooo* |
| 06:59.45 | nvz | I actually noticed functions in menuconfig options lately being ignorant like that |
| 06:59.49 | holycow | checkinstall, neat simple way to create debs |
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| 07:00.12 | nvz | like the I2C or I20 or whatever the hell it is will not let you remove it, it will only let you choose M or * |
| 07:00.15 | scatterp | nvz any soulotion ? |
| 07:00.27 | scatterp | no this wont let me choose either of those |
| 07:00.34 | nvz | scatterp: no idea, I just ignore it, because most the things I noticed just wont let you leave em out |
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| 07:00.47 | scatterp | k |
| 07:00.52 | scatterp | any one else ? |
| 07:00.54 | nvz | but it does bother me having to enable functions I dont think I need and dont know what the hell they are |
| 07:01.05 | scatterp | oh i know i need them |
| 07:01.07 | scatterp | it says so |
| 07:01.13 | scatterp | how to enable them is another matter |
| 07:01.26 | nvz | scatterp: tried just editing the .config and compiling? |
| 07:01.49 | scatterp | nope i am trying to stay close to the instructions |
| 07:01.50 | nvz | the .config file wont argue with you like a config frontend will |
| 07:02.18 | nvz | scatterp: if it deeply concerns you you should be bitching upstream, to LKML or something |
| 07:02.28 | scatterp | whos that ? |
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| 07:02.33 | nvz | its not gotten to that point for me yet |
| 07:02.41 | nvz | scatterp: Linux Kernel Mailing List |
| 07:02.53 | scatterp | i think pepole who write docs should at least test what they write |
| 07:03.00 | nvz | heh |
| 07:03.39 | shakparl | scatterp haha |
| 07:03.41 | scatterp | along side those that believe the soloution to every problem is a colaboration of 10 poorly writen docs heh |
| 07:04.50 | scatterp | any one know the screen command syntax so someone else can screen -x you ? |
| 07:05.28 | jm_ | scatterp: info screen and read |
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| 07:06.07 | westside | cthulfuego: figured out my problem with getting my net up with 2.6.10...it wasn't loading my NIC's module...I had to add an alias in modutils...odd that this wasn't needed before |
| 07:06.21 | nvz | scatterp: screen -x |
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| 07:06.41 | scatterp | nvz no for the other person |
| 07:06.48 | nvz | screen -x |
| 07:06.52 | shakparl | screen rules |
| 07:06.59 | Jenns | screen does indeed rule |
| 07:07.06 | Agabus | could anyone tell me which ftp server to get? |
| 07:07.32 | nvz | I just switched to tty1 and typed screen -x and it multimode attached this screen running in this aterm in X |
| 07:07.44 | shakparl | Agabus: proftpd is ok, just keep it patched/updated |
| 07:08.04 | nvz | I never even knew you could do that. I cant even imagine why I would want to.. but I guess its cool I'll keep it in mind |
| 07:08.22 | scatterp | err so i type screen -x to see it |
| 07:08.29 | scatterp | what does the person i am seeing type ? |
| 07:08.31 | Agabus | shakparl - k cheers man i'll give that shot, also could u tell me where the config files would be? |
| 07:08.49 | shakparl | Agabus: man proftpd |
| 07:09.04 | Agabus | k thanks |
| 07:09.20 | Jenns | scatterp: yup, they can see everything :-) |
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| 07:09.24 | bbrazil | shakparl: just be careful that both terminals are the same size, or stuff will be cropped |
| 07:09.39 | nvz | scatterp: ok listen FOO starts 'screen' with no args, then if BAR wants to see foo's screen he has to ssh into FOO's PC as FOO's user and then type 'screen -x' |
| 07:09.44 | Jenns | scatterp: yeah, it resizes to the lowest terminal size |
| 07:09.50 | nvz | you cannot view someone elses stuff |
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| 07:10.01 | nvz | its only for attachign the screen multiple places |
| 07:10.10 | shakparl | Agabus: find / -name proftpd.conf i've got mine in a non-standard location |
| 07:10.21 | Jenns | I use ytalk for viewing other peoples stuff :-) |
| 07:10.27 | bbrazil | I thinks there's acly stuff in screen for multi-user |
| 07:10.35 | scatterp | erm nvz and if foo wants to ssh bar and bar wants to watch foo ? |
| 07:10.47 | Jenns | mind you ytalks terminal emulation isnt nearly as nice as screens |
| 07:10.49 | peterS | nvz: apparently screen does support permissions management, letting another local user see your screen, in read-only or possibly even read-write mode |
| 07:10.57 | peterS | nvz: I've never messed with it, it's of no use to me |
| 07:11.09 | Agabus | shakparl - yeh i found it in /etc |
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| 07:11.22 | Jenns | peterS: thats awesome, screen gets cooler everytime I hear someone describe it |
| 07:11.23 | Agabus | shakparl - i wish there was a gui way of editing the config |
| 07:11.24 | nvz | peterS: yeah I dont see how any of this is of any use to me either.. but like I said I'll keep it in mind. |
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| 07:11.43 | peterS | Jenns: heh, it *is* cool |
| 07:11.43 | SNIa | what is the program that you use to determine the role of your system? |
| 07:11.54 | nvz | the role? |
| 07:12.02 | SNIa | server, desktop, etc |
| 07:12.02 | nvz | of your system? |
| 07:12.09 | nvz | SNIa: tasksel |
| 07:12.13 | SNIa | ah thx |
| 07:12.17 | peterS | Jenns: I run no less than 3 screen sessions at all times, one of which is typically attached to at least two terminals, sometimes as many as 4 |
| 07:12.34 | Jenns | peterS: I'm in a screen right now :-) |
| 07:12.51 | Jenns | I rarely start up irc outside of a screen :-) |
| 07:13.03 | peterS | Jenns: the next level of l33tness is using 'screen -S irc' and 'screen -S mutt' so you can then do 'screen -x irc' or 'screen -x mutt' and get the right one |
| 07:13.05 | SNIa | mounted my drives to /target, configured fstab, mounted proc, setup apt. the dbootstrap doesn't want to install to my systtem for some reason, keeps wanting hdi when I have no hdi in /dev |
| 07:13.17 | Jenns | yup :-) I do that |
| 07:13.18 | shakparl | Jenns: yah i love being 1000 miles away from my server and reattaching |
| 07:13.36 | nvz | peterS: the way I see it using screen -x means you dont need more than one screen |
| 07:13.54 | nvz | peterS: you just dual attach and then work on different windows inside the same screen |
| 07:13.54 | Jenns | shakparl: exactly, I'll say to a room, ok folks I'm going home, 15 minutes later, I'm home.., they're all like. But you never left! |
| 07:14.15 | peterS | nvz: well, I keep several mutt windows in my mutt screen thing. and my irc one has a term or two that I share with it. I like to cycle through them with C-a C-n, so I don't want to cycle through unrelated ones |
| 07:14.18 | Jenns | I generally use screen -rd irc though |
| 07:14.45 | Jenns | though I often dont leave it attached anyway :-) |
| 07:14.46 | nvz | -R -D is cool too, power detach |
| 07:14.56 | Jenns | yup :-) |
| 07:15.04 | Jenns | it feels so brutal |
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| 07:15.19 | peterS | Jenns: the next bit of l33tness is modifying your bash prompt to say "machinename(irc:1)" instead of just "machine", where irc is the screen label and 1 is the window number |
| 07:15.19 | nvz | that way it logs you out of the machine you walked away from and forgot to detach and logout of |
| 07:15.59 | Jenns | peterS: cool, does screen set an enviroment variable or something? |
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| 07:16.15 | peterS | Jenns: it sets $STY and $WINDOW, but I do a bit of trickery to make them more readable |
| 07:16.28 | peterS | Jenns: |
| 07:16.40 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.42 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.56 | peterS | and then $PS1 has ($mytty) in it |
| 07:17.00 | nvz | I cant believe I used a PC all these years without things like linux, GNU and BSD utils |
| 07:17.07 | Jenns | ah I see :-) to get rid of the numbers ect |
| 07:17.11 | peterS | right |
| 07:17.18 | peterS | and in the case where I'm not in screen, to show my tty number |
| 07:17.18 | Jenns | cool :-) |
| 07:17.30 | Jenns | nifty :-) |
| 07:17.53 | reamtS | Is there any deb package that will be able to read .doc formats? |
| 07:18.03 | shakparl | reamtS: abiword? |
| 07:18.08 | Jenns | reamtS: openoffice.org will do it |
| 07:18.11 | reamtS | How about in console? |
| 07:18.17 | reamtS | or textmode |
| 07:18.18 | peterS | PS1='\[\e[33;1m\]\h('$mytty'):\w \$\[\e[m\]' |
| 07:18.18 | nvz | reamtS: sure. though .doc isnt a format |
| 07:18.36 | Jenns | reamtS: ummm, there are word to text converters, I'll see if I can find you one |
| 07:18.49 | peterS | antiword, wv |
| 07:18.53 | peterS | those both work |
| 07:19.36 | nvz | its amazing how clueless MS is to how things work |
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| 07:20.11 | Jenns | I'm tempted to set screen as my shell :-) |
| 07:20.42 | peterS | Jenns: how does that work, anyway? obviously it can't just run $SHELL as a subshell. what shell does it pick? |
| 07:20.46 | nvz | I just discovered the other day.. I was working on an XP box and I was trying to SSH/VNC or something like that, and the sygate firewall was blocking me, but I didnt realize it, because the firewall messages only poped up on the first user that logged in, and there was supposedly 3 users currently logged in to the system. |
| 07:20.57 | nvz | their multi-user stuff is such a joke |
| 07:21.08 | guru | how do you continually monitor a log? |
| 07:21.10 | Jenns | peterS: thers a argument I think to get screen to execute a program isnt their? screen -something bash |
| 07:21.18 | nvz | guru: watch |
| 07:21.20 | peterS | guru: 'tail -f' or 'less -S +F' |
| 07:21.21 | Jenns | is my idea |
| 07:21.21 | guru | e.g., i want it to display on the screen as soon as something is entered in it |
| 07:21.22 | comm | guru: tail -f |
| 07:21.24 | guru | ahh -f |
| 07:21.27 | nvz | guru: less -S +F |
| 07:21.32 | guru | i was doing just tail with no params |
| 07:21.39 | peterS | Jenns: right, but I don't think you can specify arguments in /etc/passwd |
| 07:21.54 | guru | my sister's computer keeps restarting suddenly...no information at all |
| 07:21.57 | Jenns | true, but I can just make a quick shell script and enter that in /etc/passwd |
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| 07:22.12 | peterS | Jenns: a shell script as a shell. you are sick. |
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| 07:22.25 | Jenns | :-) thank you :-) |
| 07:22.27 | guru | she's almost to the point of using windows instead...i don't want that to happen |
| 07:22.30 | nvz | Jenns: you just pass a command like "screen irssi" |
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| 07:22.51 | nvz | guru: is it a laptop or a desktop? |
| 07:22.55 | Jenns | nvz: ta |
| 07:23.15 | guru | desktop |
| 07:23.57 | nvz | guru: my uncles laptop shuts off without warning on him sometimes in linux, but I usually find he's got shit piled up in front of the fan's exaust, and it shut down because it overheated |
| 07:24.00 | Jenns | peterS: I'll try it out :-) (on a test user) this should be interesting |
| 07:24.16 | guru | nvz: i doubt this is the case here |
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| 07:24.34 | peterS | Jenns: no, be a man. try it out with the root user. |
| 07:24.39 | Jenns | haha |
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| 07:24.58 | peterS | then log out as root before trying to log in again |
| 07:25.06 | Jenns | I've set peoples shells to moon-buggy before :-) |
| 07:25.08 | nvz | guru: well keep it in mind, that modern PCs have fan speed, and thermal zone temp sensors..etc that will shut the pc down immediatly if something is suspected to be wrong. if you dont have ACPI or whatever properly setup and such they will go off without warning |
| 07:25.22 | Jenns | its always a nice surprise for them to wake up to the next day |
| 07:25.27 | guru | nvz: this just all of a sudden started happening |
| 07:25.35 | peterS | Jenns: a coworker of mine 10+ years ago tried to set his shell to emacs. apparently it didn't work, but it was a nice thought |
| 07:25.46 | zzone | |
| 07:25.54 | rituraj | when will sarge be released? i know thats a stupid question ...but does anyone have real idea about testing-security progress etc....the DWN has also stopped saying abt the release issu :( |
| 07:26.02 | Jenns | peterS: hehe, yes, I do actually know someone crazy enough with emacs to attempt something like that |
| 07:26.43 | nvz | rituraj: it will be released when its ready, when all bugs are fixed, or packages are removed.. 30 days after testing/security is online.. etc.. etc |
| 07:26.51 | nvz | rituraj: you wont hear any different anywhere else |
| 07:27.26 | nvz | rituraj: this isnt microsoft, there isnt a schedule, things roll out when they are ready to roll out.. stable means stable, and it wont be stable until.. guess when... its stable. |
| 07:28.21 | Jenns | eek, thats not going to work, I can have screen as my shell :-( |
| 07:28.27 | Jenns | *can't |
| 07:28.30 | rituraj | but whats the progess on testing-security? where can i find the updates? also i know some companies are holding on their migration from redhat to debian...isnt it a too slow |
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| 07:28.38 | Maxheadr | Hey what a concept |
| 07:28.49 | nvz | rituraj: if you read DWN, bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ ..etc you know just as much as anyone else |
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| 07:29.05 | guru | don't suppose there are any c programmers here are there? (yes i've tried #c) |
| 07:29.14 | rituraj | i check-out release-critical bugs page every day |
| 07:29.28 | rituraj | i am asking abt testing-security |
| 07:29.34 | peterS | nvz: poor martin krafft. he wrote a book about sarge. it was supposed to come with a CD or DVD of sarge, and would be published last October but they delayed it because sarge wasn't out yet. not sure what they're going to do now. |
| 07:29.48 | nvz | haha |
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| 07:30.09 | Agabus | is there any FTP servers that u can configure with a GUI? |
| 07:30.18 | nvz | peterS: yeah I was a little sad when Oct, Nov, Dec..etc rolled by and still no sarge marching |
| 07:30.36 | rituraj | nvz: me too |
| 07:30.53 | streuner | Agabus: Don't use ftp, if you have no idea how to set it up |
| 07:31.10 | peterS | nvz: someone posted a link to a debian-devel-announce message from August 2003 or so, from release manager anthony towns. he thought debian should try to release sarge in December 2003. (not a typo.) |
| 07:31.10 | shakparl | Agabus: http://gftp.seul.org/ |
| 07:31.21 | nvz | Its nice to have a frozen release thats stable to carry around a cd set for when you need it.. but I mostly netinstall with D-I anyhow, so I use sarge just the way it is |
| 07:31.26 | Agabus | streuner - well i have used ftp and set it up before, but only on windows and fedora, which have GUI configs |
| 07:32.05 | Agabus | shakparl - yeh i have gftp installed and thats my current ftp client, is it a server aswell? |
| 07:32.22 | nvz | peterS: yeah right.. I think someone needs to take over his job, while he goes to rehab.. he needs to lay off the crack |
| 07:32.33 | rituraj | someone on distrowatch says this ....".....and you'll lind out that between Buzz and Rex, than Rex and Bo, the delay was only 6 months, as any distro nowadays. Fron Bo to Ham, it grew to more than 1 year. Hamm to Slink to Potato, it was about 1 year and a half. Potato to Woody,it was almost 2 years. For Woody to Sarge, it's now more than 2 and a half years and the release date is not yet in sight." |
| 07:32.42 | peterS | nvz: he did quit as release manager. release management is now done by steve langasek and a small team of others |
| 07:32.56 | shakparl | Agabus: my bad; it is only client |
| 07:33.16 | Agabus | shakparl - lol dam! u had me excited :( |
| 07:33.18 | shakparl | agabus: cmon man proftpd.conf is not hard |
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| 07:33.58 | Agabus | shakparl - mmm it dosn't seem very hard like i've got a server running, but i want to have user logins with passwords and only be able to access certain directories |
| 07:33.59 | nvz | rituraj: there are proposals on the wiki about future of debian release proceedure.. but most of us find ultimate comfort in knowing we've ironed out all the major bugs when it goes stable, and only have to worry about keeping up with security fixes |
| 07:34.21 | nvz | rituraj: any deviation from the current proceedure risks loosing that |
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| 07:35.10 | WorkerII | Is abrotman around? |
| 07:35.14 | nvz | nope |
| 07:35.21 | nvz | went to bed some 3-4 hours ago |
| 07:35.27 | nvz | well maybe less |
| 07:35.34 | nvz | I am loosing track of time |
| 07:35.41 | WorkerII | Strange .. he usually always is .... but then again .. less than 700 people here today. |
| 07:35.52 | nvz | tried to sleep several times myself already.. its getting me confused |
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| 07:36.17 | nvz | WorkerII: he said he wasnt sure about going to work tomorrow, and it was getting late, so he went to sleep |
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| 07:36.26 | nvz | !seen abrotman |
| 07:36.26 | dpkg | abrotman <~abrotman@pcp03723050pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 29m 8s ago, saying: 'it's late .. and i'm still undecided about work tomorrow . night all'. |
| 07:36.27 | Jenns | haha :-) I've got screen as my shell :-) |
| 07:36.33 | Jenns | this is awesome :-) |
| 07:36.50 | nvz | Jenns: heh, I thought about that before, never had the balls to try it |
| 07:37.05 | cef | whats the program that runs on first boot after you install a system? sets up the first user, etc? |
| 07:37.19 | peterS | Jenns: I've heard screen directly supports being a login shell. I just wondered how that worked as far as how it decided on a subshell |
| 07:37.20 | nvz | cef: base-config |
| 07:37.51 | Jenns | peterS: I've already found a few problems :-) I cant su to the user, :-( |
| 07:38.14 | cef | aha! thanks nvz.. I did something just before it seems base-config was added to the initial startup, so I never got it (installing another machine) |
| 07:38.15 | Jenns | I think I'll make the script a little fancier |
| 07:38.24 | Jenns | give me bash if it cant give me screen |
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| 07:39.39 | Jenns | my amazing script |
| 07:39.51 | Jenns | screen bash || bash |
| 07:40.07 | shakparl | haha |
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| 07:40.41 | peterS | Jenns: it should set SHELL=/bin/bash as well, in case this isn't already done |
| 07:40.46 | nvz | I would think either the bash in "screen bash" isnt nessicary, or screen is useless |
| 07:40.49 | peterS | Jenns: so subshells know what shell to run stuff with |
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| 07:40.54 | Jenns | yup :-), |
| 07:41.09 | nvz | because if it needs bash there to run bash, then it doesnt know to do it on other screens you create |
| 07:41.09 | peterS | nvz: how would screen know what shell to run? |
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| 07:41.23 | nvz | amen |
| 07:41.37 | peterS | nvz: normally it obeys $SHELL or the default shell shell entry from your /etc/passwd line |
| 07:41.51 | peterS | nvz: but Jenns is talking about using screen *as* a login shell, so those methods aren't available |
| 07:42.17 | nvz | yeah I thought about using screen as my login shell, but it seemed like it would break stuff |
| 07:42.25 | Jenns | so if I run screen in my screen shell it launches screen with a screen with bash |
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| 07:42.42 | Jenns | unless I set $SHELL |
| 07:42.55 | peterS | something like that |
| 07:43.02 | Jenns | so yeah, :-) |
| 07:43.05 | peterS | also, are you using 'screen -x' or just plain 'screen'? |
| 07:43.11 | peterS | if the latter - how useful is it? |
| 07:43.33 | Jenns | just plain screen, then I can detatch a terminal instead of exiting |
| 07:43.53 | zignig | nvz: that's a cool trick |
| 07:44.00 | peterS | Jenns: yes, and how do you reattach? |
| 07:44.07 | nvz | heh |
| 07:44.15 | Jenns | inside my screen shell, screen -r :-) |
| 07:44.15 | zignig | peterS: bleh! |
| 07:44.29 | peterS | Jenns: screen won't like that, you have to pass it a force option |
| 07:44.43 | Jenns | not if the screens detatched |
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| 07:44.59 | peterS | Jenns: running a new screen inside an existing screen won't work unless you force it |
| 07:45.09 | nvz | this kind of talk hurts my brain.. being so late doesnt help either |
| 07:45.11 | peterS | Jenns: and even then it's annoying because you now have to double your C-a's |
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| 07:45.50 | Jenns | peterS: it seems to be working, I do screens inside screens quite often |
| 07:46.39 | Jenns | yay :-) |
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| 07:47.03 | peterS | Jenns: oh, it's launching a *new* screen session inside screen that you can't do without forcing it |
| 07:47.27 | Sina^ | lalala |
| 07:47.46 | Jenns | this is very... weird :-) |
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| 07:48.05 | Jenns | I can see myself collecting a huge number of screens |
| 07:48.10 | peterS | yeah |
| 07:48.17 | peterS | if you always use ^A^D instead of just ^D |
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| 07:48.18 | Jenns | is there a way of renaming screen while you're in it? |
| 07:48.24 | peterS | I don't think you can |
| 07:48.26 | nvz | AAAAHHHHHH!!!! |
| 07:48.28 | Jenns | :-( |
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| 07:48.52 | nvz | I just watched a spider repel down in front of me |
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| 07:49.27 | peterS | nvz: oh dear. they're good at that, it *is* kind of freaky |
| 07:49.56 | northstar | I have an asus p4p800 mobo... and I am using it's onboard NIC. The card runs fast and works well, but seems to drop its connection any ideas why I would just spontaneously drop a LAN connection? |
| 07:50.01 | cthulfuego | Hmm. Do any of you have a decent world map image that runs from -180 to 180 with greenwich in the middle? |
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| 07:50.53 | northstar | cthulfuego: have you check any sites like NASA/astronomy webistes? |
| 07:51.05 | cureless | hmm, i386-linux-g++: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1plus) |
| 07:51.13 | peterS | nvz: also, on that topic, the owner of loxosceles.org informs me that Loxosceles reclusa don't live in Philly. (I think I said Philly instead of Pittsburgh, by mistake, but oh well.) |
| 07:51.15 | cthulfuego | northstar: Yeah... |
| 07:51.15 | Kvant | northstar, i have the same mb, i haven't noticed any probs |
| 07:51.31 | northstar | Kvant: do you have IPV6 running? |
| 07:51.37 | Kvant | northstar, no |
| 07:51.41 | Maxheadr | Hey i've seen that error message before |
| 07:52.01 | peterS | cureless: that's an ICE (internal compiler error) and it *usually* means bad memory or something. *occasionally* it means real live compiler bug |
| 07:52.09 | northstar | Kvant: do you think my problem could be with that? |
| 07:52.25 | Kvant | no idea |
| 07:52.32 | nvz | peterS: they do live in Lake Dallas where I am at |
| 07:52.33 | hikenboot | how do i verify that sound is being directed to null output...i get no sound after switching drivers and configuring with alsaconf |
| 07:52.38 | cureless | peterS, I just ran memtest for a while, no errors |
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| 07:52.50 | cureless | a while being 1 hour. |
| 07:52.52 | peterS | cureless: is it repeatable? do you always get the compiler error on the same input file? |
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| 07:53.37 | cureless | peterS, at first I thought so, then it seemed like it was a different file, then I ran memtest with no errors. I just rebooted and now I'm going to run some more (compiler) tests. |
| 07:54.18 | nvz | wtf was that about *shrugs* |
| 07:54.23 | cureless | peterS, I'm compiling amarok, it compiles fine, but if I compile it via dpkg-buildpackage I get the error |
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| 07:54.33 | peterS | nvz: don just banned the "how is Linus better than Adolf" guy, I think |
| 07:54.37 | solomon | cureless: i get those with my flaky cpu |
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| 07:54.48 | dondelelcaro | nvz: see scrollback from 20:30 PST |
| 07:54.51 | northstar | Kvant: are you using modules or kernel drivers? |
| 07:54.59 | cureless | solomon, but I see no problem on memtest. |
| 07:55.00 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh, that was hours ago |
| 07:55.06 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah |
| 07:55.07 | cureless | how long should I run memtest to trust the results? |
| 07:55.12 | solomon | cureless: memtest tests mem, not cpu :) |
| 07:55.20 | peterS | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 07:55.27 | streuner | s/Adolf/Bush/ |
| 07:55.37 | peterS | streuner: oh, did he also talk about Bush? |
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| 07:55.54 | dondelelcaro | dunno... whatever it was it was basically a non-sequitur |
| 07:55.56 | solomon | cureless: if you want to be real sure about mem, try another stick :) or if you have two, take one out and use just the other, see if you get the error, then try it again with the other |
| 07:56.01 | streuner | peterS: we live now, not in the past. |
| 07:56.01 | nvz | oh well spiders or not I am tired, I need some sleep |
| 07:56.16 | Kvant | northstar, i have the driver compiled in, not as a module |
| 07:56.23 | northstar | 2.6.8? |
| 07:56.29 | Kvant | 2.6.10 |
| 07:56.29 | solomon | cureless: if one stick is bad, it will work ok one way and break he other way. if both are bad (unlikely) or neither are bad (more likely) it will always stay broken |
| 07:56.30 | cureless | solomon, I'll try the other stick after I run some more gcc tests to see if I get the error compiling other stuff (kernel, etc). |
| 07:56.38 | northstar | hmm... |
| 07:56.38 | peterS | nvz: good night, sleep tight, don't let reclusa bite (: |
| 07:56.55 | solomon | cureless: but if it's the cpu then no amount of messing with memory will fix it |
| 07:56.58 | cureless | solomon, 1 stick, muskin high. |
| 07:57.07 | cureless | mushkin* |
| 07:57.12 | solomon | cureless: btw you aren't OC'ing your cpu are you? what sort of cpu, anyway? |
| 07:57.30 | cureless | no OC, amd1700 |
| 07:58.03 | solomon | cureless: ok, well, good luck ;) |
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| 07:58.22 | cureless | solomon, thanks. |
| 07:58.29 | youyou | how are you |
| 07:58.58 | solomon | youyou: i am fine. you, youyou? |
| 07:59.04 | solomon | he he he |
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| 08:00.24 | cthulfuego | ANyone want to do me a favour? |
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| 08:00.50 | peterS | localtime, dondelelcaro |
| 08:00.52 | solomon | peterS: how goes it |
| 08:01.03 | peterS | heya, solomon. haven't seen you in like a week |
| 08:01.04 | cthulfuego | toresbe: http://www.cafuego.net/i/geo.png.php |
| 08:01.09 | cthulfuego | toresbe: Does that look right? |
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| 08:01.24 | toresbe | cthulfuego: in links.... :P |
| 08:01.34 | peterS | cthulfuego: what is it supposed to be? |
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| 08:01.51 | peterS | cthulfuego: I get a dot over northern europe |
| 08:01.57 | solomon | peterS: i've been around. i've been online more than usual lately looking at computer hw and getting semi-involved with neuros affairs |
| 08:01.59 | cthulfuego | peterS: Is that where you are? |
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| 08:02.05 | peterS | cthulfuego: no, central USA |
| 08:02.06 | cthulfuego | peterS: Hold on, bug. |
| 08:02.17 | cureless | I get the same thing |
| 08:02.20 | mr_claus | hi, is virus checking with samba possible with debian sarge? |
| 08:02.38 | cthulfuego | peterS: Try again. |
| 08:02.53 | streuner___ | mr_claus: try #samba |
| 08:02.54 | cureless | cthulfuego, good enough. |
| 08:03.11 | peterS | cthulfuego: not bad. now I've got a dot over Canada, so it's a few pixels too high |
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| 08:03.14 | cureless | cthulfuego, not exact, but closer than northen europe (/me is in california) |
| 08:03.26 | mr_claus | streuner___: i know that samba can do that but i dont know if samba is compiled with that feature in debian sarge |
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| 08:03.44 | cthulfuego | cureless: Yeah, I only have coords for the approximate center of countries. |
| 08:03.51 | streuner___ | mr_claus: get debian/rules and find out |
| 08:03.54 | cthulfuego | cureless: Better data is payware :-) |
| 08:04.03 | peterS | cthulfuego: what data are you basing this from? |
| 08:04.09 | solomon | peterS: thanks to your discussion of NCQ i decided to go with a $160 sata-2 250G drive, btw :P |
| 08:04.24 | mr_claus | streuner___: i hoped anybody is using that feature here :( but i will check it, thx |
| 08:04.41 | cthulfuego | peterS: libgeoip1 and mod_geoip for apache2 with lat/lon data from www.maxmind.com |
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| 08:05.07 | cthulfuego | peterS: The source image is NOT correct from 90,-180 to -90,180 so i need a wee bit of a tweak. |
| 08:05.09 | peterS | solomon: ah, heh. see http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ for more details on that, including probably more accurate stuff than I would have known to tell you in person (: |
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| 08:05.44 | cthulfuego | peterS: I saw http://kmi.open.ac.uk/projects/hitmaps/ and thought it couldn't be THAT hard to do. |
| 08:05.54 | peterS | cthulfuego: ahh |
| 08:06.03 | cthulfuego | peterS: Turns out it wasn't ;-) |
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| 08:06.20 | peterS | cthulfuego: is this based on ASNs or what, do you know? |
| 08:06.28 | cureless | cthulfuego, what do you use to render the dots? |
| 08:06.37 | cthulfuego | cureless: php/gd |
| 08:06.52 | cthulfuego | cureless: imagefilledellipse($im, $x, $y, 50, 50, $yellow); |
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| 08:07.12 | cthulfuego | peterS: it's a proprietary binary database, no idea what it's based on. |
| 08:07.18 | cureless | cthulfuego, there are some mapping libraries that will render to the correct mappints (i.e. from lat/long to flat) |
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| 08:07.28 | peterS | cthulfuego: ahh - the code just looks the IP up in a sort of routing table like thing? |
| 08:07.30 | cureless | mappings* |
| 08:07.31 | cureless | ? |
| 08:07.57 | cthulfuego | peterS: Yeah, afaik. That sets an env var in the server with the country code, which I then feed to mysql to fetch coords. |
| 08:07.57 | myren | are there any command line apt/dpkg tools to just downlaod a package? |
| 08:08.05 | peterS | ahh |
| 08:08.06 | solomon | peterS: hrm based on that perhaps i shouldn't bother with a NCQ drive :) |
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| 08:08.17 | cureless | myren, yes. |
| 08:08.27 | peterS | solomon: most of it does seem to be 'we will support all this cool stuff Real Soon Now' |
| 08:08.29 | myren | thanks jerk |
| 08:08.39 | Jacobo221 | looks like all extensions installed from http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/ fail to install into my firefox :-/ is anyone having the same problem? |
| 08:08.43 | peterS | myren: apt-get -d install |
| 08:08.43 | cthulfuego | peterS: Now all I need to do is make each page log its IP to db and retrieve (and map) access data for a week or two at a time. |
| 08:08.57 | solomon | peterS: but how long have they been saying RSN :) |
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| 08:09.06 | peterS | cthulfuego: too bad I don't control my own reverse DNS, or you could just look up my LOC record (: |
| 08:09.25 | cthulfuego | peterS: WAY too slow :-) |
| 08:09.37 | peterS | true, it would require outbound DNS |
| 08:10.03 | myren | ugg, stupid pooched setup. liblasso-cil you SUCK |
| 08:10.20 | cthulfuego | Ahaa! Found a pure php one |
| 08:10.21 | myren | its causing conflicts with mono over /usr/lib/mono |
| 08:10.25 | toresbe | woooo, I finally solved that annoying "access denied" thing |
| 08:10.27 | peterS | solomon: part of it depended on SATA2 and NCQ becoming available hardware-wise. I don't know how long the linux support has lagged behind *that* |
| 08:10.35 | toresbe | I just set /bin/bash suid root! :) |
| 08:11.01 | cureless | toresbe, what are you doing? |
| 08:11.48 | toresbe | cureless: I'm going to mkfs on / soon, just wanted to do it for a lark :P |
| 08:11.58 | idnar | toresbe: have you actually tried using it? |
| 08:11.59 | solomon | peterS: true. idunno if i want to wager the price difference.. i think i will see just what the price diff. is, again :) |
| 08:12.07 | toresbe | idnar: no |
| 08:12.12 | peterS | solomon: "[NCQ] will be supported by libata when hardware is available from drive manufacturers." if that's true, it should indeed come RSN |
| 08:12.21 | idnar | toresbe: if you had, you'd have noticed that bash drops suid privileges that it gets |
| 08:12.37 | toresbe | idnar: i see, heh |
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| 08:19.57 | solomon | $25 extra for NCQ on a 250G drive.. i guess it's not such a bad wager |
| 08:20.47 | myren | NCQ has been available for a long time now |
| 08:20.53 | myren | even on SATA |
| 08:21.00 | peterS | myren: in the linux kernel, or in hardware, you mean? |
| 08:21.04 | myren | hardware |
| 08:21.05 | toresbe | what's NCQ? |
| 08:21.19 | peterS | toresbe: native command queueing. a variation of TCQ for SATA-2 |
| 08:21.37 | toresbe | peterS: I see - what's tcq? :P |
| 08:21.40 | myren | native command queueing. basically allows software to reorder commands on a hard drive |
| 08:21.47 | toresbe | aah, okay |
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| 08:21.59 | peterS | toresbe: tagged command queueing. all SCSI disks support it, most IDE disks do not |
| 08:22.04 | myren | i must stop dist-upgrading and go the fsck to sleep |
| 08:22.12 | solomon | my impression was that with NCQ the hardware reorders requests |
| 08:22.30 | solomon | hence Native |
| 08:22.32 | peterS | toresbe: TCQ lets the OS send several commands to the disk without having to wait for each one to finish. the disk can then return data in whatever order it wants - i.e., whatever it can do the fastest |
| 08:22.37 | solomon | is that an incorrect assumption? |
| 08:22.38 | Schlafschwein | solomon: correct.... |
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| 08:22.49 | solomon | ah, ok |
| 08:22.57 | solomon | then i wonder what the holdup is in getting software support |
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| 08:23.09 | solomon | seeing as the hardware is really taking care of it |
| 08:23.13 | peterS | solomon: I don't know much except what jgarzik's sata pages (which I pointed you to) say. according to that, NCQ is different from IDE TCQ in that the SATA controller and the drive are both involved |
| 08:23.29 | trjkg | I have debian with iptables giving internet to my home network. problem is that aim file transfers don't work. any ideas as to how to fix this? i have heard of reaim but i don't know if it is recommended. any suggestions would be appreciated |
| 08:23.31 | peterS | solomon: the holdup is actually *sending* queued commands, i.e. sending more than one at a time |
| 08:23.38 | peterS | and keeping track of which is which |
| 08:23.48 | solomon | ah |
| 08:23.57 | peterS | and handling errors when only one of several queued commands happens to fail |
| 08:23.59 | peterS | and stuff like that |
| 08:25.33 | peterS | solomon: also, as jeff garzik writes, "Queueing will be enabled in libata soon, but to do so requires a long stretch of testing on a large variety of controllers and drives. This is very time-intensive, and is the largest part of this task." |
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| 08:26.29 | solomon | peterS: for $25 i will probably go ahead and get it and sit tight for the support |
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| 08:26.58 | peterS | solomon: so, the $25 difference is between two drives that seem to be nearly identical in other ways? |
| 08:27.08 | buu | Hallo peters! |
| 08:27.11 | peterS | buu! |
| 08:27.30 | solomon | peterS: well, the $25 diff. is between the two drives that i might get depending on whether i decide to go with NCQ, anyway :) |
| 08:27.32 | Schlafschwein | ncq alone is not worth 25$ for sure... |
| 08:27.43 | toresbe | buu: ask me how I feel |
| 08:27.54 | Schlafschwein | sata2 with hotplugin is another thing :) |
| 08:27.54 | solomon | Schlafschwein: proportionally.. we're talking $135 vs. $160 |
| 08:27.55 | toresbe | buu: I feel fine... |
| 08:27.58 | toresbe | buu: ty |
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| 08:28.12 | buu | toresbe: Who the hell are you? |
| 08:28.12 | toresbe | geddit? buu ty? ahahahaha |
| 08:28.13 | peterS | if this is between an IDE and a SATA disk, the $25 might be worth it. but if it's between two different SATA disks, one of which supports NCQ and one of which doesn't ... I dunno, Schlafschwein is probably right |
| 08:28.32 | toresbe | sheesh, tough crowd |
| 08:28.33 | Schlafschwein | for desktop drives ncq doesnt do much good anyway |
| 08:28.43 | myren | anyone using polypaudio? it kicks esoundss butt. |
| 08:28.47 | myren | i hjope it makes it into gnome |
| 08:28.53 | myren | typing gone, need sleep |
| 08:28.59 | solomon | only sata-2 drives have NCQ, right? |
| 08:29.03 | Schlafschwein | no |
| 08:29.16 | peterS | I thought it was new with sata-2. not true? |
| 08:29.38 | Schlafschwein | sata2 specs include ncq, but some sata1 drives do support ncq too |
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| 08:29.54 | peterS | Schlafschwein: ahhh. so sata2 means the drive *does* support it, but some pre-sata-2 drives also do |
| 08:29.57 | solomon | ah then i guess if i see NCQ i can't presume it is an sata2 drive |
| 08:30.11 | Schlafschwein | jep |
| 08:30.54 | Schlafschwein | as easy as graphic card shader support thingies theh |
| 08:31.03 | solomon | hrm |
| 08:31.21 | solomon | there are a couple of other diff's between the $160 an the $135, maybe not worth it still though |
| 08:31.32 | solomon | 8ms access time vs. 8.5ms, 5-year warranty vs. 3-yr |
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| 08:32.00 | solomon | do mfg's figure the access time stat independent of features like NCQ |
| 08:32.07 | isga | hi |
| 08:32.17 | solomon | i.e. if i'm not using NCQ will i still get the marginally lower access time |
| 08:32.50 | solomon | or will i end up with a marginally higher one :) |
| 08:32.50 | zignig | NCQ? |
| 08:32.50 | solomon | zignig: scroll up :P |
| 08:32.50 | peterS | zignig: native command queueing. the SATA form of TCQ |
| 08:33.05 | zignig | ah like scsi |
| 08:33.07 | Schlafschwein | the access time specs from manufacturers are worthless anyway :) |
| 08:33.08 | peterS | zignig: yeah |
| 08:33.17 | zignig | peterS: cool!, finally. |
| 08:33.27 | Schlafschwein | storagereview.com is a great site for hdd stuff |
| 08:33.30 | zignig | peterS: that's one of the reasons I never like ide. |
| 08:33.30 | solomon | Schlafschwein: hehe maybe but difference between them might be useful :) |
| 08:33.54 | peterS | zignig: TCQ has been trying to break into the IDE world for a long time (: never caught on. but now with SATA-2, NCQ support is mandatory, so in theory every drive and controller will handle it ok |
| 08:34.25 | isga | I have some wired problems my cdburner works, but if i finished the projekt and open a other projekt he wasn`t able to burn ? |
| 08:34.28 | zignig | and ..... the sata kern. drivers have to keep up to date. |
| 08:34.37 | zignig | :) |
| 08:35.00 | peterS | zignig: last I heard (from jeff garzik's status pages), NCQ isn't yet enabled in the linux drivers. soon, he says. |
| 08:35.20 | zignig | peterS: soon , like sarge is going to relese soon. <tee hee> |
| 08:35.44 | peterS | zignig: we could start a betting pool. ftp.kernel.org kernel enables NCQ for SATA, Debian 3.1 releases. which happens first? |
| 08:35.50 | Schlafschwein | what im looking forward to, are hotpluging sata drives in software raids *being a cheap ass :) |
| 08:35.57 | zignig | peterS: I |
| 08:36.05 | Schlafschwein | ack |
| 08:36.12 | zignig | syn! |
| 08:36.17 | peterS | RST |
| 08:36.26 | zignig | segfault |
| 08:36.39 | peterS | RST == "connection reset by peerS" |
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| 08:37.16 | zignig | bleh! |
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| 08:38.37 | LunarFaul | d |
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| 08:39.05 | scatterp | my kernel wont boot it gives an error that root= option is not set properly LunarFaul helped me set it up what can be the cause ? |
| 08:39.09 | solomon | based on the first review i see of 7200rpm drives, i think maybe the $135 hitachi non-ncq drive will do me better than the $160 seagate ncq drive |
| 08:39.21 | solomon | i think i will go with that |
| 08:39.34 | scatterp | some one earlyer said the ide drivers in the kernel i checked and those are enabled so i dont know what to do now ... |
| 08:39.38 | solomon | it'll be faster than this 30G ata66 drive i have now |
| 08:39.41 | Schlafschwein | well seagate has 5 yrs warranty |
| 08:40.02 | Schlafschwein | hitachi 1? |
| 08:40.03 | peterS | solomon: indeed. the hitachi one is also SATA, then? |
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| 08:40.06 | solomon | Schlafschwein: yeah but in 3 years i'll probably want an sata-4 drive or something |
| 08:40.10 | solomon | Schlafschwein: hitachi 3 |
| 08:40.14 | Schlafschwein | oki |
| 08:40.19 | solomon | peterS: yeah they're both sata |
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| 08:40.28 | solomon | for shits n giggle i'll see how much an ide counterpart is |
| 08:40.35 | LunarFaul | Seagate for life =) |
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| 08:40.59 | solomon | also hitachi advertises a low acoustic mode |
| 08:41.05 | solomon | seagate might be quieter but it doesn't say so :) |
| 08:41.27 | nokia6000 | how do i setup grub, so that when i run a script or command-line, my machine will reboot into xp (just for one time) and settings will return to normal after i shutdown xp. |
| 08:41.28 | solomon | i would kinda like one with FDB but only the maxtors on newegg have it and i am still boycotting maxtor |
| 08:41.31 | LunarFaul | seagate is also more reliable |
| 08:41.33 | Schlafschwein | samsung may be good compromise... |
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| 08:41.44 | LunarFaul | I have never ever seen a seagate drive go bad or have problems |
| 08:41.54 | Schlafschwein | fdb... seagate and samsung use them since years |
| 08:42.07 | LunarFaul | unlike ibm, maxtor, western digitial ugh |
| 08:42.30 | LunarFaul | tho my two raptors are nice =) |
| 08:42.45 | solomon | Schlafschwein: perhaps they just aren't advertised |
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| 08:42.49 | Schlafschwein | they have probs with a sil contoller... see kernel comments... but yeah they are the most reliable |
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| 08:42.57 | Schlafschwein | solomon: fuck ads :P |
| 08:43.08 | |QuaD| | if i do a dpkg -l and see that i removed something (it has an rc) how do i get those completely off the list? |
| 08:43.20 | |QuaD| | without grep ii |
| 08:43.29 | solomon | is hitachi == ibm? |
| 08:43.44 | defcal | hitachi made the deskstars I think |
| 08:43.45 | Schlafschwein | hitachi bought the ibm storage department |
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| 08:44.04 | Schlafschwein | deskstars were from ibm |
| 08:44.10 | LunarFaul | I feel sorry for hitachi |
| 08:44.14 | solomon | yeah but what does that mean for the quality of hitachi drives? |
| 08:44.14 | Schlafschwein | heh |
| 08:44.16 | LunarFaul | talk about a bad investment |
| 08:44.25 | cthulfuego | Whee, it works. |
| 08:44.28 | Schlafschwein | well actually the new drives arent that bad |
| 08:44.35 | Schlafschwein | maxtor is much worse now :) |
| 08:44.42 | defcal | hitachi also made the deskstars |
| 08:44.55 | LunarFaul | dont say that Schla that makes my raptors get worried |
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| 08:45.02 | Schlafschwein | :) |
| 08:45.02 | LunarFaul | they dont like the thought of a short life |
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| 08:45.19 | Schlafschwein | raid0ed? :P |
| 08:45.23 | LunarFaul | yes |
| 08:45.32 | LunarFaul | yes I know it was awaste |
| 08:45.36 | Schlafschwein | brave, stupid LunarFaul :) |
| 08:45.40 | LunarFaul | I gained only 3mbs |
| 08:45.45 | solomon | oh nice, that hitachi just disappeared from the listing |
| 08:45.52 | solomon | maybe that's a sign that i should avoid them :P |
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| 08:45.55 | LunarFaul | i have never had a problem with raid Schla |
| 08:46.07 | LunarFaul | I just think raid with ide is all hype and sisoft sandra is a liar |
| 08:46.12 | Schlafschwein | not with raid, but with one drive failing and losing bunch of data :) |
| 08:46.20 | Schlafschwein | thats true for sure heh |
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| 08:46.34 | LunarFaul | hhehe I dont have anything on there that isnt backed up |
| 08:46.45 | LunarFaul | I use the raid 0 aray for windows |
| 08:46.57 | LunarFaul | got it thought would imrpove games |
| 08:46.59 | LunarFaul | it didnt |
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| 08:47.09 | Schlafschwein | depends on the game |
| 08:47.21 | Schlafschwein | some loadings times get a boost |
| 08:47.25 | Schlafschwein | most dont |
| 08:47.28 | LunarFaul | yah thats it |
| 08:47.39 | LunarFaul | loading time was a bit faster till they made the game more intensive |
| 08:47.44 | LunarFaul | to stop bots |
| 08:48.13 | WorkerII | why stop bots? |
| 08:48.14 | scatterp | my kernel wont boot it gives an error that root= option is not set properly LunarFaul helped me set it up what can be the cause ? some one earlyer said the ide drivers in the kernel i checked and those are enabled so i dont know what to do now ... hes out of ideas and i didnt have any to start with |
| 08:48.17 | sussudio | in soviet russia, bots stop you. |
| 08:48.39 | WorkerII | scatterp : I assume you want it to boot? |
| 08:48.43 | scatterp | yeap |
| 08:49.01 | WorkerII | scatterp : I further more assume that you're on the i386 platform? |
| 08:49.03 | peterS | WorkerII: uh, that's usually a pretty easy assumption |
| 08:49.27 | Gathond | scatterp: you did not happen to upgrade to devfs or udev or some such, in that case the device names might have changed so what ever you had as root device it no longer called that |
| 08:49.34 | WorkerII | peterS : Well, he didn't give much hint .. but its a very common desire by questioneers here. :) |
| 08:49.48 | scatterp | WorkerII lunars more technical then me he can answer |
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| 08:49.58 | WorkerII | scatterp : Is it a PC? |
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| 08:50.12 | scatterp | WorkerII no a laptop d600 celeron 2ghz |
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| 08:50.30 | WorkerII | celeron == PC == i386 .. more or less. |
| 08:50.30 | LunarFaul | WorkerII the install was web based half the stuff didnt install right and make mrproper for some reason kept enableing everything as a modular option with the main built into the computer |
| 08:50.42 | cafeolix | hey.. what do I need for cdwriter scsi emulation other than sg and ide-scsi? |
| 08:50.53 | scatterp | Gathond ncurses-dev |
| 08:50.58 | WorkerII | LunarFaul : Why are you making him compile his own kernel? |
| 08:51.00 | LunarFaul | WorkerII it was pretty weird how the kernel was configureing itself never seen it do that |
| 08:51.02 | scatterp | could that be relevent |
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| 08:51.20 | Gathond | scatterp: that have notthing to do with that, it is just for compiling and using menuconfig |
| 08:51.22 | LunarFaul | Worker: because the install didnt properly make the /lib/modules and didnt install any source |
| 08:51.24 | scatterp | LunarFaul i configed some of it |
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| 08:51.45 | cthulfuego | peterS: Can you visit my homepage? |
| 08:51.48 | WorkerII | LunarFaul : May I suggest giving the option "linux26" to the install program? |
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| 08:52.09 | scatterp | WorkerII i think i used a 686 kernel |
| 08:52.11 | Tr0||_DX | hi |
| 08:52.13 | LunarFaul | WorkerII hmm ok wasnt aware of that |
| 08:52.19 | WorkerII | scatterp : Yeah :) |
| 08:52.20 | cthulfuego | peterS: thanks |
| 08:52.34 | WorkerII | LunarFaul : For some reason they put it on expert help .. |
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| 08:52.45 | peterS | cthulfuego: heh. your world map is now huge, and shows two dots, one in S. America, the other in .au |
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| 08:52.52 | Tr0||_DX | is there something special i should know about burning the cd2 iso i just wrecked 3 cd with 3 different version i downloded all other cd are ok |
| 08:52.56 | WorkerII | LunarFaul : Beware that some thing 2.6 is less stable than 2.4 though. |
| 08:53.00 | scatterp | so err why could it not be booting ? |
| 08:53.10 | WorkerII | LunarFaul: s/thing/think/ |
| 08:53.15 | peterS | cthulfuego: ah, hmmm. I think I get it. you're tracking hits |
| 08:53.24 | cthulfuego | peterS: 3 now. One in US too. |
| 08:53.29 | peterS | yep |
| 08:53.29 | el | is there a channel for x.org? |
| 08:53.36 | WorkerII | el: Most likely. |
| 08:53.40 | LunarFaul | WorkerII: all we are trying to do is just get the wifi firmware drivers to install. I really wish didnt have this much problems just trying to compile stupid drivers =/ |
| 08:53.41 | Tr0||_DX | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.48 | Tr0||_DX | is there something special i should know about burning the cd2 iso i just wrecked 3 cd with 3 different version i downloded all other cd are ok |
| 08:53.51 | el | thanks |
| 08:53.53 | cthulfuego | peterS: Yep. Numbers for the moment.. might need to go log(num) to see if I can scale the circles. (and maybe shade them too). |
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| 08:54.17 | Tr0||_DX | wtf is up with the iso 2 |
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| 08:54.27 | cthulfuego | peterS: Would be cooler if I had regional coordfs, but alas... |
| 08:54.32 | scatterp | Tr0||_DX did you try a md5 to make sure your copys not corrupt |
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| 08:54.36 | Tr0||_DX | 3 different version and they all give me weird error at burn |
| 08:54.36 | peterS | cthulfuego: scale or opacity. with lots of circles in close proximity to each other, opacity could be interesting |
| 08:54.45 | Tr0||_DX | dled it 3 time |
| 08:54.57 | Tr0||_DX | i dont get corrupt shit on my cable |
| 08:55.02 | cthulfuego | peterS: ps: you can prefix ?x=200 to the image uri to scale it to x pixels. |
| 08:55.04 | Tr0||_DX | used to on my dsl tho |
| 08:55.05 | scatterp | WorkerII is there like a simple checklist that can be done as to why it fails when mounting hda3 |
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| 08:55.20 | Tr0||_DX | with what software should i burn it |
| 08:55.24 | Tr0||_DX | alcohol suck |
| 08:55.28 | cthulfuego | peterS: Not sure if gd supports opacity |
| 08:55.32 | Tr0||_DX | k3b in windows ? |
| 08:55.37 | R1ck | nero? |
| 08:55.38 | Tr0||_DX | does it exist |
| 08:55.39 | peterS | cthulfuego: indeed, I have no idea |
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| 08:56.11 | cthulfuego | peterS: I can set alphablending... might work :-) |
| 08:56.43 | peterS | cthulfuego: ?x=300 makes the numbers impossible to read. apparently the scaling is done *after* the labels are applied..? |
| 08:56.56 | cthulfuego | peterS: Indeed. |
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| 08:57.12 | cthulfuego | peterS: Keep in mind the numbers are temporary. |
| 08:57.18 | peterS | right |
| 08:57.25 | peterS | size of circle, or opacity, would be nicer |
| 08:58.09 | cthulfuego | I can't store alpha info per circle :-( |
| 08:58.16 | cthulfuego | size and hue it is, then. |
| 08:58.49 | solomon | one of them is somewhat reflective of my location :) |
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| 08:59.08 | peterS | solomon: number of hits, per country |
| 08:59.19 | peterS | solomon: he's got a database of IP numbers -> countries |
| 08:59.27 | solomon | ah, it just shows your country |
| 08:59.42 | peterS | yeah, he says more fine-grained IP->location maps don't tend to be free |
| 08:59.50 | ncp | i cant find any good guide on how to encrypt my hdd, anyone know a good one? |
| 08:59.59 | cthulfuego | But if you know of one, let me know! |
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| 09:01.04 | zAo^ | can I remove the "kde" package without loosing my KDE-desktop? |
| 09:01.05 | directhex|work | ncp, buy an abit secureide |
| 09:01.16 | directhex|work | zAo^, yes, kde is a metapackage |
| 09:01.18 | oKtosiTe | I seem to be having minor trouble with gFTP, got me thinking though, what other graphical FTP clients could I try? |
| 09:01.24 | peterS | zAo^: on the face of it, that's a silly question. what do you really want to do? |
| 09:01.29 | zAo^ | Thought so, thanks directhex|work |
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| 09:04.01 | solomon | oKtosiTe: nautilus? :) |
| 09:04.33 | oKtosiTe | solomon, is it decent? uploads too? |
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| 09:05.56 | cthulfuego | There, lessee how we go with that froody scaling algorithm. |
| 09:06.10 | keith_ | woodyr4. Xine. error message: -xine engine error- There is no available input plugin available to handle 'xine-ui' version 0.9.8. Can anyone explain that error message and how to solve it? |
| 09:06.15 | suncomet | what does 'ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted' mean? |
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| 09:06.37 | oKtosiTe | solomon, thanks! I never realized nautilus could do that, wicked. |
| 09:07.38 | solomon | oKtosiTe: i have no idea whether it does uploads :) |
| 09:07.45 | solomon | oKtosiTe: but i'm sure it's easy :P |
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| 09:07.55 | cureless | oKtosiTe, so does konqueror, and most browsers (in download mode) |
| 09:07.57 | oKtosiTe | hehe |
| 09:08.15 | oKtosiTe | cureless, I know that, but thanks |
| 09:08.29 | cureless | oKtosiTe, konqueror can also do sftp and fish. |
| 09:08.30 | oKtosiTe | I don't want to install KDE |
| 09:08.47 | peterS | suncomet: at a guess, you don't have ping installed setuid root |
| 09:08.47 | cureless | oKtosiTe, then ignore the suggestion, not worth it if you don't use kde. |
| 09:09.00 | peterS | suncomet: and, as such, non-root users aren't being allowed to send that sort of packet |
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| 09:09.32 | suncomet | peterS: ping works just fine, when I e.g. ping to google.com, but when I try to ping 192.168.0.2 I get that error :/ |
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| 09:10.09 | oKtosiTe | solomon, it seems to work ok, although it's a fairly limited ftp client, it has comparable functionality as, dare I say it, exploder |
| 09:10.34 | peterS | suncomet: don't know what would cause that, then. you do have a local network with 192.168.0.* addresses? |
| 09:10.44 | oKtosiTe | cureless, at least I know now :) |
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| 09:10.58 | cureless | oKtosiTe, sftp and specially fish are really useful. |
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| 09:11.16 | suncomet | peterS: yep, or at least I am trying to get my local network up and running :/ |
| 09:11.23 | oKtosiTe | cureless, can you tell me why in a few words? |
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| 09:12.41 | cureless | oKtosiTe, sure, fish will allow ftp like access to machines with sftp not enabled over ssh. Drag and drop, use like any other filesystem or kio enabled apps. Really nice if you have a ssh user agend so you don't need to input passwords and such. |
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| 09:13.18 | cureless | oKtosiTe, sftp on machines with sftp enabled, so you don't have to "manually" build on ssh. |
| 09:13.21 | oKtosiTe | cureless, that does sound good |
| 09:13.37 | alexscott | plop |
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| 09:15.05 | oKtosiTe | and as a filemanager I would say Konqueror does do some really useful other things Nautilus cannot. Perhaps I'll try KDE again once xorg enters testing |
| 09:15.47 | oKtosiTe | not that it's related... |
| 09:16.52 | oKtosiTe | anyway, for now I'm getting my files across and I'm up way too late, so I'm going to have to wish you a good morning/day/evening/night, I'm off to bed |
| 09:17.03 | cureless | oKtosiTe, unless you are distributing files normal users should use sftp, not plain ftp. |
| 09:17.03 | cureless | oKtosiTe, something tells me nautilus should have similar capabilities. |
| 09:17.38 | oKtosiTe | I'll give it a try, does it use the ssh port? |
| 09:17.51 | cureless | oKtosiTe, what? |
| 09:17.52 | oKtosiTe | ^cureless |
| 09:17.58 | oKtosiTe | sftp |
| 09:18.09 | cureless | sftp is ftp built on top of ssh |
| 09:18.28 | cureless | the ssh server admin has to enable it sometimes (not always the default) |
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| 09:18.31 | oKtosiTe | do I need to install a package to use it? |
| 09:18.42 | oKtosiTe | oh, ok |
| 09:18.42 | cureless | just try it, do sftp user@server |
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| 09:18.50 | cureless | it works just like an ftp client. |
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| 09:19.18 | cureless | oKtosiTe, sftp is part of the ssh package. |
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| 09:19.39 | oKtosiTe | yep, works |
| 09:19.55 | oKtosiTe | at least from the console it does |
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| 09:20.01 | cureless | oKtosiTe, and searching via dpkg it seems gnomevfs should have a sftp client to. Try to put that in your location bar. |
| 09:20.09 | suncomet | cureless: wow, sftp is cool! just day before i was wondering how to easily transfer files using ssh! :D |
| 09:20.16 | cureless | oKtosiTe, it's in libgnomevfs2-common |
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| 09:20.43 | cureless | suncomet, you want to know what's cooler? Use zsh, then you can tab-complete remote filenames with scp. |
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| 09:20.56 | oKtosiTe | cureless, yes, it works in nautilus too |
| 09:21.20 | suncomet | cureless: wow, i look into it :) |
| 09:21.34 | DarkFame | what's sftp? ftp over ssh? |
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| 09:22.01 | cureless | DarkFame, noo, it's an ftp feel-a-like that uses the core ssh protocol. |
| 09:22.10 | cureless | meaing, it's not ftp tunneled over ssh. |
| 09:22.16 | cureless | meaning* |
| 09:22.21 | DarkFame | ic.. it connects to sshd? |
| 09:22.24 | oKtosiTe | cureless, nautilus doesn't allow me to resume though |
| 09:22.30 | cureless | DarkFame, yes. |
| 09:22.41 | cureless | oKtosiTe, can't help you there. |
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| 09:22.54 | jcalavia | hi |
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| 09:22.57 | cureless | oKtosiTe, use ncftp or wget |
| 09:23.08 | oKtosiTe | cureless, I know, just thought I'd tell you |
| 09:23.17 | cureless | DarkFame, the sshd server has to have sftp enabled. |
| 09:23.29 | jcalavia | can anybody help to find my usb ports? |
| 09:23.38 | common | lspci -vvv |
| 09:23.44 | common | lsusb -vvv |
| 09:23.48 | jcalavia | ok |
| 09:23.50 | common | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:24.33 | DarkFame | cureless: ic.. interesting, never heard of sftp until now. |
| 09:24.53 | cureless | DarkFame, well, now you have. |
| 09:25.04 | jcalavia | the problem is that i've 6 ports but 'lsusb' tells me that i only have one |
| 09:25.08 | cureless | The sftp people need a new PR person |
| 09:25.23 | oKtosiTe | cureless, I actually did use sftp before, I just remembered putty has a client for it |
| 09:26.19 | cureless | oKtosiTe, I don't remember the putty client, but I know it has a scp client. The comertial ssh does have an sftp client... securessh then a file transfer something or other, don't remember the actual name. Allows drag and drop to windows. |
| 09:26.20 | jcalavia | and i don't know how to force my system to look for the others |
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| 09:27.03 | oKtosiTe | cureless, ok |
| 09:27.09 | solomon | oKtosiTe: you mean scp? |
| 09:27.16 | solomon | oops |
| 09:27.18 | solomon | hehe |
| 09:27.25 | oKtosiTe | solomon, I guess I was confused |
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| 09:27.37 | solomon | oKtosiTe: yeah, i corrected you before reading all the way down :) |
| 09:27.45 | oKtosiTe | :) |
| 09:27.53 | solomon | oKtosiTe: though i was hoping you would tell me, no, there was a putty sftp client :P |
| 09:28.10 | cureless | solomon, there is a securessh sftp client though. |
| 09:28.17 | oKtosiTe | I'm off now, g'nite cureless, solomon (otherwise I'm going to fall off of my chair here) |
| 09:28.22 | solomon | cureless: commercial, right? |
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| 09:28.36 | cureless | solomon, comertial but free for personal/educational use I think. |
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| 09:28.44 | solomon | cureless: hrm. url? |
| 09:28.46 | juhov | doesn't filezilla include sftp support too? |
| 09:28.49 | cureless | later oKtosiTe |
| 09:28.53 | cureless | solomon, dunno, ssh.com? |
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| 09:31.36 | solomon | cureless: yup. i will have to check it out next time i need a doze client |
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| 09:32.09 | cureless | solomon, yeah, it happens to me every time somebody on a windows machine wants to get a file from a remote unix box. |
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| 09:35.09 | gilles | What driver can I use to make SiS integrated wifi card work on Debian ? |
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| 09:35.56 | Ubuntu | hello world |
| 09:36.03 | WorkerII | Ubuntu has joined debian? |
| 09:36.19 | shakparl | isn't ubuntu based on Debian |
| 09:36.22 | Ubuntu | Ubuntu sur un Imac |
| 09:36.27 | Ubuntu | lol |
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| 09:36.37 | cochilion | ubuntu is based in debian |
| 09:36.46 | WorkerII | shakparl : Debian is the kefas of ubuntu. |
| 09:37.08 | cureless | Ubuntu, who's your daddy? |
| 09:37.11 | Ubuntu | i must speak englisk |
| 09:37.22 | Ubuntu | i am french me |
| 09:37.27 | Ubuntu | arf |
| 09:37.33 | solomon | http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit/ |
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| 09:37.38 | solomon | that's funny |
| 09:37.48 | Ubuntu | yes |
| 09:37.55 | kolla | apt wont grasp my repository pinning, it insists that my own repository is pin-priority 500 :( |
| 09:37.56 | apt | kolla: what are you talking about? |
| 09:38.07 | kolla | you |
| 09:38.15 | shakparl | http://shunt.homeunix.net/images/english.gif |
| 09:38.30 | WorkerII | Ubuntu: I know a little french: le cle dans la plage purtain de merde! |
| 09:38.48 | cochilion | i speak spanish |
| 09:39.01 | cochilion | que ondas pinches gringos |
| 09:39.04 | WorkerII | Ubuntu: But not many nice words :/ |
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| 09:39.14 | kolla | iglisch iz leim |
| 09:39.15 | jethro | WorkerII: what's that supposed to mean ? 'la cle dans la plage' ? |
| 09:39.23 | shakparl | cochilion: mama guef |
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| 09:39.28 | WorkerII | jethro : The key for the beach o rsomething .. not sure. |
| 09:39.41 | cochilion | shakparl ???? |
| 09:39.45 | jethro | WorkerII: you said "the key in the beach" which doesn't make sense at all :) |
| 09:39.56 | WorkerII | nice :) |
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| 09:40.33 | shakparl | cochilion: conio que paso |
| 09:41.02 | cochilion | shakparl no ah pasado nada aun jejeje |
| 09:41.14 | jethro | !es |
| 09:41.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:41.37 | Schlafschwein | !at |
| 09:41.37 | dpkg | at is, like, a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. |
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| 09:41.52 | cochilion | lol |
| 09:41.55 | shakparl | !awk |
| 09:41.56 | dpkg | hmm... awk is a pattern scanning and text processing language invented by Aho, Weinberger and Kernighan. or awk! awk! awk! I'm a bird, or help! I can't grep my awk!, or see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt for nifty oneliners |
| 09:41.58 | jethro | Schlafschwein: it's !de, .at has no dedicated support chan :) |
| 09:42.02 | cochilion | !fr |
| 09:42.02 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 09:42.06 | shakparl | !jp |
| 09:42.07 | dpkg | jp is, like, Japan |
| 09:42.10 | jethro | stop it! |
| 09:42.17 | shakparl | ror |
| 09:42.51 | cochilion | jajajaja |
| 09:42.57 | cochilion | jethro you started it |
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| 09:42.58 | cochilion | jejeje |
| 09:43.31 | shakparl | !sed |
| 09:43.31 | dpkg | Sed is a stream editor. A stream editor is used to perform basic text transformations on an input stream (a file or input from a pipeline). Sed is located at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/sed/ or a pain in the ass, or see http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html and http://queen.rett.polimi.it/~paolob/seders/ for common usages and examples |
| 09:43.37 | shakparl | !rms |
| 09:43.37 | dpkg | from memory, rms is Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as the original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs, one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" http://www.linuxcare.com/news_columns/interviews/index.epl |
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| 09:43.40 | jethro | cochilion: I meant to give usefull information, not start a bot gang bang |
| 09:43.42 | shakparl | ok ok |
| 09:43.45 | shakparl | :D |
| 09:43.54 | shakparl | i did want to see if there was an rms entry |
| 09:43.57 | jethro | you can /msg the bot as well |
| 09:44.16 | jethro | and save #debian from the noise resulting from your experimentations with the bot(s) |
| 09:44.24 | cochilion | ok jethro, don't get mad, man |
| 09:44.35 | jethro | I ain't getting mad, just telling you |
| 09:44.53 | cochilion | ok |
| 09:44.59 | cochilion | i'm cool |
| 09:45.04 | cochilion | you're cool?? |
| 09:45.07 | cochilion | hehehe |
| 09:45.36 | shakparl | what is the best clustering software for debian |
| 09:46.04 | shakparl | pvm/beowulf, openmosix... ? |
| 09:46.29 | sanso | !tell shakparl about best |
| 09:46.36 | cochilion | ok good nigth |
| 09:46.49 | cochilion | i just can't make this work :( |
| 09:46.50 | shakparl | :P |
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| 09:48.13 | shakparl | !tell sanso about stfu |
| 09:48.25 | Schlafschwein | :) |
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| 09:49.17 | directhex|work | shakparl, define 'clustering software' |
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| 09:51.08 | jethro | lmr: /j #knoppix |
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| 09:51.22 | lmr | ok thanks |
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| 09:52.59 | gilles | Can someoe help me to configure an integrated wifi card on an Asus laptop ? |
| 09:53.15 | jethro | gilles: /j #wireless |
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| 09:53.31 | gannimo | gilles: ifup wifi0 :D |
| 09:53.49 | gannimo | gilles: what do you have in your config 'till now or whats your problem? |
| 09:53.52 | jethro | gilles: or be more accurate, what kind of card? |
| 09:54.28 | gilles | i don't know what card it is, when i type lspci, it's all SiS... |
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| 09:54.43 | jethro | gilles: knowing that would be a good start to get your problem fixed |
| 09:55.02 | gannimo | gilles: google for your laptop-model and add "linux" or something. |
| 09:55.31 | gannimo | gilles: many pages have step-by-step installation of this propretary hw and you might find a configuration there |
| 09:55.44 | mike___ | hihi, what package is DiG located in? |
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| 09:56.16 | gannimo | mike___: you mean "apt-cache show htdig" ? |
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| 09:57.21 | gannimo | michael_: or "dpkg -S dig" -> apt-cache show dnsutils |
| 09:57.26 | gilles | i |
| 09:57.39 | noid2 | what is the popular prefered imap and pop3 server ? |
| 09:57.42 | gilles | the laptop is a "Asus 8100" |
| 09:57.47 | gannimo | soory michael_, the msg was for mike___ (wrong tab completition) |
| 09:58.29 | Chameleon22 | how can i reconfigure my display settings, like when i drag a window etc it leaves a trail where's on windows it didnt use to which makes me think gnome is more memorry intensive which sounds wrong :/ |
| 09:58.40 | gannimo | noid2: imap -> leave messages on server, multiple folders, depends on your internet connection (slow connection -> awful email editing and reading) | pop3 -> messages are local, no "folders" on server |
| 09:58.58 | gannimo | gilles: did you search on google? |
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| 09:59.16 | mike___ | gannimo: thanks mate |
| 09:59.31 | gannimo | Xsquared: np |
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| 10:00.29 | clojster | do somebody have some experience with PHPBB2? |
| 10:00.41 | sussudio | !irritate clojster |
| 10:00.42 | dpkg | clojster: hi every1 who uses gnome !!!1 |
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| 10:01.06 | clojster | sussudio: really? and why is that??? |
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| 10:01.50 | Xsquared | clojster: **smacks forehead against brick wall |
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| 10:02.22 | clojster | sussudio: then tell me which files do I have to upload on freehosting server to have working forum? |
| 10:02.40 | stein | How do I (patch and) rebuild a deb package ? I downloaded the .dsc , diff and orig-tar files. ( I have compiling and RPM experience, just not DEB ) |
| 10:02.41 | Xsquared | rofl!! |
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| 10:03.08 | jethro | clojster: don't waste your time uploading phpbb2, just upload a file with the following content <? system($cmd) ?> and it'll be the same |
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| 10:03.30 | jm_ | stein: unpack, see how it works, patch, build |
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| 10:03.39 | eguzkia | can somebody help? |
| 10:03.39 | Sunblade | stein: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 10:03.52 | Xsquared | jethro: nice response |
| 10:03.58 | eguzkia | i have problem with 2.6.10 kernel |
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| 10:04.09 | clojster | jethro: what? |
| 10:04.15 | Xsquared | hehe |
| 10:04.18 | jethro | :) |
| 10:04.18 | jm_ | stein: how it works=some packages use compressed tar files which get decompressed before the build, they're a bit harder to patch, but it's still not a big deal |
| 10:04.21 | eguzkia | when i start linux with 2.6.10 kernel kde doesen't start |
| 10:04.32 | clojster | I don't get it... :( |
| 10:04.55 | Xsquared | ;-) |
| 10:05.13 | clojster | really helpfull community :) |
| 10:05.35 | Xsquared | clojster: you should try #phpbb or something |
| 10:05.45 | gilles | gannimo: i can't find any information on google about the wifi card that's in my laptop |
| 10:06.20 | clojster | Xsquared: ok, I thought that it can deiffer in debian package... okay then |
| 10:07.11 | Xsquared | clojster: u want to upload phpbb to somewhere else? .. try downloading the zip package from phpbb.com |
| 10:07.53 | jethro | !tell clojster about smart questions |
| 10:07.56 | stein | jm_ : will this work ? : unpack , debian/rules buidl( or whatever) ; is there a command line that starts the build ( and produces a binary deb package ) ? ( yes, I read the Maintaines guide... ) |
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| 10:08.16 | jm_ | stein: dpkg-source *.dsc; cd <newdir>; patch; debuild -uc -us -b |
| 10:08.31 | stein | 10x |
| 10:08.31 | jm_ | stein: dpkg-source -x *.dsc |
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| 10:09.37 | clojster | jethro: okay okay! |
| 10:11.42 | buu | Hrm. Anyone have an idea what ratpoison uses to detect window titles? |
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| 10:12.05 | notPoncha | what do i need to open (and convert later on) an mpeg *image* ? |
| 10:12.36 | notPoncha | on win32, only thing that i could open it with is quicktime |
| 10:13.00 | notPoncha | and i'm willing to stay out of both (win32 and quicktime :) ) |
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| 10:13.37 | PerfDave | I've not heard of an mpeg image. Is it like an MPEG movie with one frame in? ;) |
| 10:13.53 | jethro | !nickometer w1ck3d |
| 10:13.53 | dpkg | 'w1ck3d' is 99.400% lame, jethro |
| 10:14.03 | notPoncha | in that case any mpeg-capable movie playe should have opened it, but it doesn't :/ |
| 10:14.11 | jethro | what's the highest score seen at nickometer ? |
| 10:14.20 | w1ck3d | lol |
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| 10:14.28 | Schlafschwein | !nickometer Schlafschwein |
| 10:15.00 | notPoncha | !nickometer l33thack34 |
| 10:15.01 | notPoncha | haha |
| 10:15.01 | Schlafschwein | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.06 | PerfDave | notPoncha: I suggest looking at imagemagick, it can convert *everything* |
| 10:15.25 | notPoncha | PerfDave, imagemagick says "mpeg2decode not found" .. |
| 10:15.25 | directhex|work | PerfDave, water into wine? |
| 10:15.29 | Xsquared | how many commands have you guy(s) implemented into dpkg? what type of script/program is it? im guessing mirc script ;-) |
| 10:15.33 | Schlafschwein | i had some problems with .ico to .xpe iirc |
| 10:15.44 | njan | !nickometer njan |
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| 10:15.55 | njan | oh, bah. |
| 10:16.00 | PerfDave | notPoncha: Then perhaps you should install mpeg2decode |
| 10:16.02 | njan | 0. ;) |
| 10:16.03 | idnar | !nickmeter njan |
| 10:16.04 | dpkg | njan is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
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| 10:16.08 | Xsquared | too l4m3 it didn't even respond |
| 10:16.15 | notPoncha | and i can't really find mpeg2decode anywhere although it seems that it should have been a part of imagemagick |
| 10:16.16 | idnar | ;) |
| 10:16.26 | njan | idnar, why do I get the sneaking suspicion that wasn't totally scientific? :p |
| 10:16.40 | jethro | Xsquared: blootbot.sf.net |
| 10:16.52 | Xsquared | its a blootbot? cool! |
| 10:16.53 | jethro | Xsquared: checkout the cvs and UTSL |
| 10:17.04 | ricky_clarkson | !what are you |
| 10:17.05 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 10:17.15 | PerfDave | notPoncha: It probably shouldn't have been. It sounds like something that has use elsewhere. I suspect if it's anywhere, it's in marillat. |
| 10:17.39 | jethro | hi ricky_clarkson |
| 10:17.48 | notPoncha | for a nickometer... try this: l4M3rZ0-_~ |
| 10:17.49 | notPoncha | :) |
| 10:17.51 | notPoncha | 99.900 |
| 10:17.59 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: G'day. |
| 10:18.18 | notPoncha | PerfDave, will look, thanks :) |
| 10:18.38 | njan | notPoncha, no, a truly elite nick has to have the word 'dark', 'digital', 'ghost', 'killer', etc, in it. :) |
| 10:19.09 | buu | njan: And random numbers? |
| 10:19.13 | njan | d1g1tal-K1LL3R-3432~ |
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| 10:19.19 | idnar | /nick D4rkD1g1t47|Gh05+K1773r |
| 10:19.19 | buu | L33t. |
| 10:19.24 | njan | rofl, idnar |
| 10:19.28 | PerfDave | notPoncha: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 10:20.00 | Xsquared | rofl! |
| 10:20.17 | njan | my 133t is far from fluent :( |
| 10:20.44 | buu | njan: That's just because people make it up as they go |
| 10:21.11 | njan | buu, yes, and my point is that I'm bad at it ;) |
| 10:21.21 | buu | haha |
| 10:21.32 | buu | Just start typing and randomly misspell words and hit the numbers. |
| 10:21.37 | notPoncha | thanks, PerfDave |
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| 10:25.36 | noid2 | how do you start of a normal script in debian #!/bin/sh ? |
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| 10:26.32 | ricky_clarkson | noid2: #!<path to the shell you are writing the program for> |
| 10:27.05 | noid2 | i have a script but when i execute it says bash: /etc/exim/add-exim-user: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 10:27.05 | noid2 | zone2web:/usr/bin# |
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| 10:27.33 | PerfDave | noid2: That doesn't sound good. What happens if you just type "/bin/sh"? |
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| 10:27.43 | noid2 | it works |
| 10:27.49 | noid2 | the shell works |
| 10:27.59 | noid2 | the script was written for ruby ? |
| 10:28.04 | directhex|work | what are the permissions of /etc/exim/add-exim-user? |
| 10:28.35 | noid2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root |
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| 10:29.19 | noid2 | the original script had #!/usr/bin/ruby |
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| 10:29.36 | noid2 | i dont have ruby nor do i want it ...is there any way around this |
| 10:29.43 | Xsquared | noid2: needs execute on it |
| 10:29.55 | ricky_clarkson | noid2: Don't run that script. |
| 10:29.57 | jethro | noid2: rewrite the script in a language which you like more |
| 10:30.14 | PerfDave | hang on, somebody tried to convert a ruby script to shell by changing the shebang line/ |
| 10:30.17 | PerfDave | ? |
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| 10:30.36 | Xsquared | PerfDave: are you trying to have virtual accounts on exim? |
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| 10:30.59 | PerfDave | Xsquared: I'm not trying anything. |
| 10:31.09 | Xsquared | PerfDave: ok |
| 10:31.29 | oguz | hi |
| 10:31.36 | Xsquared | hihi |
| 10:32.00 | oguz | i installed PHP+ and apache i checked that the apache is working but i couldnt managed to see the output of a php file |
| 10:32.01 | noid2 | Xsquared: it is for exim user .. creation |
| 10:32.11 | oguz | i put the file at the right dir |
| 10:32.18 | Xsquared | noid2: virtual users? |
| 10:32.30 | oguz | i installe php4 |
| 10:32.43 | PerfDave | oguz: How did you install PHP and apache? |
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| 10:32.53 | noid2 | xscuared: authentication users i guess |
| 10:33.00 | Xsquared | oguz: did you configure it? |
| 10:33.04 | oguz | PerfDave, by apt-get install |
| 10:33.29 | oguz | Xsquared, i try to configure PHP but not apache |
| 10:33.37 | Xsquared | oguz: restarted apache? |
| 10:33.45 | oguz | Xsquared, i did |
| 10:33.54 | Xsquared | oguz: try dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 10:34.02 | oguz | Xsquared, i try to configure httpd.conf only |
| 10:34.10 | Xsquared | oguz: try dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 10:34.36 | Xsquared | d0rt? |
| 10:34.41 | Xsquared | lol |
| 10:34.54 | oguz | Xsquared, enable Suexec? |
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| 10:35.13 | Xsquared | oguz: not really needed.. only if you want to and need it |
| 10:35.18 | notPoncha | oguz, no, unless you specifically want it and knwo what it is |
| 10:36.05 | oguz | Xsquared, notPoncha, which modules i should chose for apache to load |
| 10:36.19 | Xsquared | oguz: select php there |
| 10:36.33 | Xsquared | oguz: ;-) then u'll be fine, then next |
| 10:36.59 | oguz | Xsquared, mod_php4 i have |
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| 10:37.12 | Xsquared | oguz: select it |
| 10:37.26 | Xsquared | oguz: then all will be dandy. |
| 10:38.39 | oguz | Xsquared, still not working |
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| 10:42.25 | abel | hi all |
| 10:42.54 | lara | Hello there I'm a little bit in trouble setting up a webserver secure. I've got a shared folder where some people must have access to. The people on the Server has their own HP's and must not access the folder from each other. I set up their folders that they are self the owner but the group to www-data. But when someone now going to run a php script then comes a error message up: "Error in suphp.c on line 486: Group is not allowed to run script |
| 10:43.28 | abel | hi all i have spùe trouble |
| 10:43.32 | abel | ackk |
| 10:43.53 | Xsquared | spelling trouble? |
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| 10:45.09 | abel | i have some trouble to install a dual boot win/linux[debian]. I have put grub on my MBR but now when i try to install win it seems like only grub loa and not the win partition .. |
| 10:45.19 | njan | lara, you might have more luck in #php |
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| 10:46.05 | abel | any way for me to supress grub from /dev/hda and put it on /dev/hda1 ? |
| 10:46.15 | jm_ | abel: that can't be because windows overwrites the MBR during installation |
| 10:46.20 | sepski | abel, modify your grub's meny.1st file to include windows, read the man page |
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| 10:47.43 | abel | lol i have no man page i even not have a real linux install dat why i'm here. when i try during the linux install to tell to grub to go on the /dev/hda1 i have a nice error messg |
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| 10:48.18 | abel | the grub i use is the install one |
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| 10:49.40 | ricky_clarkson | abel: Use that nice boot disk you created. |
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| 10:50.39 | sepski | abel, first install windows on your first disk's first partition, when that works, you can install debian on you'r second disk/second partition, that order will be a lot easier to work with |
| 10:51.07 | mooded | hi all.. i got a problem compiling a custom kernel (which i need to cause i need to compile a module for a nvidia-card, which needs a configured source-tree) ... |
| 10:51.12 | mooded | i get the configuration fine enough to completely boot.. only when all init-scripts have been processed, it doesnt show the login prompt.. (i can still ssh into the machine) |
| 10:51.34 | sepski | !nvidia one liner |
| 10:51.34 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
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| 10:51.48 | infodroid | mooded: is it a graphical glitch or what? |
| 10:52.00 | mooded | after few seconds (~30) .. init complains about Id 1 to 6 respawning too fast... |
| 10:52.07 | sepski | mooded, you dont need a custom kernel for a nvidia module |
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| 10:52.18 | infodroid | mooded: what dpkg said |
| 10:52.20 | mooded | k.. good to know... thanks.. |
| 10:52.24 | mooded | but anyways.. |
| 10:52.29 | abel | spesky: when i try now to install windows . I put the cd into he perform the first hardware detection then say me : we gona reboot remove floppy and cd... ok . then the putter reboot AND surprise .. i got this damned grub... no the windows installer |
| 10:52.35 | mooded | what am i missing in kernel-configuration.. anybody knows ? |
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| 10:52.52 | mooded | last message of init is about "no more processes left in this runlevel" |
| 10:53.02 | drasko | if I wnat to install new version of some package - how do upgrade single package? |
| 10:53.06 | infodroid | abel: look in #windows to install windows |
| 10:53.11 | eric53 | Is there any place to add commands to be executed at system startup? something like /etc/init.d/local. Do I have to create it myself? |
| 10:53.42 | infodroid | eric53: yes you do, look in /etc/init.d/README |
| 10:53.49 | abel | infodroid: my trouble shoot is a dualboot install and i think my matter is with grub so... |
| 10:54.33 | infodroid | abel: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 10:54.52 | drasko | if I wnat to install new version of some package - how do upgrade single package? |
| 10:55.07 | mooded | infodroid, no its no graphical glitch.. it just doesnt continue process (as it seems) .. what might hinder it from showing the login prompt for the console ? |
| 10:55.25 | sepski | drasko, apt-get install package |
| 10:55.37 | infodroid | drasko: you can put the version number on the apt-get line, like "apt-get install packagename=newversionnumber", provided you have the right sources |
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| 10:56.16 | sepski | mooded, that's very dificult to guess on a custom kernel, maybe you didnt include the modules you need maybe your initrd is off , use a kernel-image and the nvidia module the regular way |
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| 10:57.02 | drasko | sepski, will it just install over the package that is just installed (and is lower version)? It happend to me to say: package conflict, because older vversion have already been installed |
| 10:57.08 | sepski | abel, then erase your mbr first, then install windows, then install debian |
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| 10:57.17 | infodroid | drasko: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 10:57.36 | abel | sepsky: how i can errase my MBR ? |
| 10:57.40 | sepski | drasko, did you have a newer version available in your sources ? |
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| 10:58.26 | Humbe | Anyone have a good suggestion for dead stable backup software for our company debian server? Don't mind paying for it... Currently using tapeware, but it has some quirks that for some reason they refuse to work around... |
| 10:58.31 | sepski | abel, fdisk /mbr if you have a dos boot disk |
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| 10:58.46 | jm_ | Humbe: backuppc.sf.net maybe] |
| 10:59.01 | infodroid | abel: also read the bloody installation manual |
| 10:59.03 | mooded | sep, well im pretty stunned since im used to compiling my own kernels.. never had such problems.. and i just cant imagine what i missed.. (made clean, xconfig, make, modules_install, mkinitrd, entered everything in grub) and in the end it is booting fine, its already past the hw-recognition / module loading process.. last service it starts is cron.. then nothing anymore.. |
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| 10:59.14 | mooded | err. sepski |
| 10:59.20 | infodroid | abel: people don't write installation manuals for nothing |
| 10:59.20 | abel | sepsky trying thanks |
| 10:59.22 | drasko | sepski, no... I guess I downloaded that package from the net and tried dpkg -i... |
| 10:59.46 | Humbe | jm_: Tape backup... Otherwise it looked good... |
| 11:00.16 | sepski | drasko, and you know it's for the version you'r running ? i never do that. i just makes a mess. |
| 11:00.47 | infodroid | mooded: if you're compiling your own kernel, try the debian way http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 11:01.07 | abel | infodroid: i read the manual , but what i need now is a rescue procedure to reget my mbr i doubt this is in the grub manual. what sepsky have given to me is exactly what is need |
| 11:01.14 | mooded | infodroid, ill check that .. thanks |
| 11:01.17 | abel | grr what i need |
| 11:01.26 | directhex|work | fixmbr with winnt, not fdisk /mbr |
| 11:01.35 | infodroid | abel: the fucking DEBIAN installation manual |
| 11:01.55 | sepski | abel, the orgianl mbr is just blank you can clear it out any way you like use cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda even |
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| 11:02.37 | jm_ | Humbe: ohh |
| 11:02.37 | sepski | abel, besides if you have grub installed you can enter it's edit mode and configure it from there you dont realy _need_ to clear it out |
| 11:03.08 | Tye_ | I need to load the module ov518_decomp.o. I only have it as a .c-file. Any tips what I should do? |
| 11:03.34 | buu | Tye_: Compile it. |
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| 11:03.41 | drasko | sepski, infodroid when I tried to install some package that way (dpkg -i) and it says that it have unmet dependencies, so when I ran apt-get -f install after that it says that it will remove over 100 package (whole Gnome). What's happening there, and how to clean this problem, so to remove just that one package that had unmet dependencies? |
| 11:03.49 | Tye_ | buu: Just gcc ov518_decomp.c? |
| 11:03.55 | buu | Tye_: Worth a shot. |
| 11:03.57 | abel | sepsky: how to enter the edit mode ? |
| 11:04.16 | sepski | abel when you see the grub boot screen i think it's the 'e' button |
| 11:04.28 | Tye_ | buu: I got many screenfuls of errors ... |
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| 11:04.51 | buu | Tye_: Uhm. Fix them? |
| 11:05.02 | sepski | drasko, yes remove and purge then one package you dl from the net, |
| 11:05.05 | infodroid | drasko: watch out for installation things manually with dpkg -i |
| 11:05.19 | Tye_ | buu: I'm not a C programmer ... Thanks anyway. |
| 11:05.20 | directhex|work | drasko, dpkg -P $evilpackage |
| 11:05.28 | sepski | drasko, an excelent example for why you want to add sources to /etc/apt/sources.list and installing with apt-get |
| 11:05.34 | nikls | i have a laptop with wifi integrated, the chipset is Sis162u, how can i make it works with debian ? |
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| 11:07.09 | noid2 | is cyrus-pop3d a good choice when going for a pop sever ? |
| 11:07.12 | infodroid | nikls: you need to find out which kernel module is appropriate and also get the package wireless-tools |
| 11:07.19 | zeeble | yes, noid2 |
| 11:07.54 | noid2 | exelent. thanks |
| 11:08.28 | infodroid | drasko: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-erros.en.html#s-erros-comuns |
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| 11:08.37 | drasko | sepski, yes.. I guess... and I remove this package with dpkg -P <packge>, as directhex|work suggested? What's the difference between remove and purge anyway? |
| 11:09.06 | directhex|work | drasko, purge removes config files |
| 11:09.33 | nikls | infodroid: i have wireless-tools already, but i don't howto find the appropriate kernel module ? |
| 11:09.59 | infodroid | !fgi |
| 11:09.59 | dpkg | hmm... fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 11:10.06 | infodroid | !fgi wireless-tools |
| 11:10.21 | infodroid | didn't work nikls :) just google your chipset, no? |
| 11:11.16 | infodroid | nikls: a more recent kernel will ensure your card is supported, so consider that also |
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| 11:11.51 | drasko | infodroid, sepski directhex|work thanks a lot guys! |
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| 11:12.51 | nikls | infodroid: i can'tfind any driver ongoogle... |
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| 11:13.40 | lightstep | how can `killall -KILL smbd' not stop some smbd servers? |
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| 11:14.25 | PerfDave | lightstep: If they're zombies? |
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| 11:15.02 | CarlosAlex | Hello everybody |
| 11:15.09 | infodroid | nikls: you may need to run ndiswrapper to load the windows drivers for the chipset in linux, i haven't had to do that |
| 11:15.09 | lightstep | two of them are taking 50% cpu each, another 2 are waiting on IO |
| 11:15.28 | CarlosAlex | Yesterday I got an importan tip about solve a mail problem |
| 11:15.29 | noid2 | how do i go about assigning more memory to certain things like php |
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| 11:15.38 | CarlosAlex | then, now Ihave the printer problem yet |
| 11:15.50 | CarlosAlex | Its installed, but do not print nothing |
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| 11:16.03 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 11:16.04 | PerfDave | nikls: Get a wireless card that's supported by Linux? ;) |
| 11:16.26 | infodroid | PerfDave: yea but its built in |
| 11:16.28 | cef | fun fun fun. sha1 is fairly broken now |
| 11:16.34 | cef | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/sha1_broken.html |
| 11:16.35 | PerfDave | infodroid: PCMCIA! |
| 11:16.41 | daffy-pkf | i formated my /home partition by mistake, how can i recreate all my users home directorys? do i have to do it manually? |
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| 11:16.49 | PerfDave | cef: Still not "usefully" or "practically" broken though ;) |
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| 11:16.53 | PerfDave | daffy-pkf: Restore from backups? ;) |
| 11:16.57 | nikls | infodroid: yes tried ndiswrapper... when typing ndiswrapper -l, it returns: Installed ndis drivers:program invalid driver!sis162u driver present, hardware present sis162u.sys invalid driver! |
| 11:16.59 | sepski | daffy-pkf, restore from backup |
| 11:17.15 | PerfDave | daffy-pkf: You can probably do it with a bit of bash scripting if you have the list of valid users, say in /etc/passwd. |
| 11:17.21 | cef | PerfDave: dropping the number of iterations from 2^80 to 2^69 is significant |
| 11:17.21 | daffy-pkf | PerfDave > i'll be glad to have a backup... i lost all that i programmed... :( |
| 11:17.34 | PerfDave | cef: Not hugely, unless you're the NSA or someone. |
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| 11:18.12 | daffy-pkf | isn't ther a tool that can recreate tha home dir af a user? |
| 11:18.26 | PerfDave | daffy-pkf: useradd? |
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| 11:18.34 | cef | PerfDave: someone with large computing power perhaps.. such as you can get from say a beowulf cluster |
| 11:18.52 | ricky_clarkson | daffy-pkf: mkdir /home/username; cp -R /etc/skel/.* /home/username |
| 11:18.55 | ricky_clarkson | daffy-pkf: That's my guess. |
| 11:18.58 | cef | PerfDave: lots of computing power isn't so much of an issue anymore |
| 11:19.01 | daffy-pkf | hmmm maybe, i trye adduser, it told me the user already exist, maybe useradd is more flexible... |
| 11:19.01 | PerfDave | cef: Imagine a beowulf cluster of those things! |
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| 11:19.14 | ricky_clarkson | daffy-pkf: useradd and adduser are the same. |
| 11:19.22 | daffy-pkf | ricky_clarkson , thanks, i take a look at it |
| 11:19.40 | cef | well you can build a damn powerful beowulf cluster of dual opteron machines pretty cheaply now |
| 11:19.42 | directhex|work | pfft. clusters suck |
| 11:19.49 | PerfDave | cef: Even with this new SHA1 attack, it's still pretty resilient. I'm not panicking about having my SHA1 hashed passwords pwned any time soon. |
| 11:19.59 | PerfDave | cef: FSVO "pretty cheaply" |
| 11:20.35 | daffy-pkf | what should be the owner/group/rights of a user home dir? |
| 11:20.58 | cef | PerfDave: read large organisations (wether legal or illegal), governments, etc. |
| 11:21.13 | PerfDave | cef: That's a nice tinfoil hat you have there. |
| 11:21.21 | infodroid | daffy-pkf: whatever you want it to be |
| 11:21.38 | cef | PerfDave: well there are other hashes out there, like whirlpool for example |
| 11:21.52 | daffy-pkf | hmmm, what is it by default so? |
| 11:22.21 | infodroid | daffy-pkf: at minimum, though, you have the user as the owner and the group |
| 11:22.25 | CarlosAlex | How to test my parallel port in debian ? |
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| 11:22.44 | daffy-pkf | is it rwxrwx---? |
| 11:22.46 | sepski | daffy-pkf, drwxr-xr-x and user as owner and group |
| 11:22.48 | PerfDave | daffy-pkf: Well, it should be owned by the user (and the user group). It should be at least readable, writeable and executable by the user. |
| 11:22.56 | daffy-pkf | sepski, thanks |
| 11:23.01 | PerfDave | sepski: or drwxr-x--- if you're paranoid ;) |
| 11:23.19 | sepski | daffy-pkf, this is on a sarge, and you select it during install if you want world readable homedirs so you have to option on the last r-x |
| 11:23.41 | sepski | dr-x------ if you dont trust yourself either |
| 11:23.48 | idnar | I normally use drwxr-x--x |
| 11:23.58 | PerfDave | idnar: for public_html shenanigans? |
| 11:24.17 | idnar | PerfDave: yeah, that kind of thing |
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| 11:25.04 | darkskiez | is there any way to make the kernel log a panic to disk ? |
| 11:25.35 | jm_ | darkskiez: panics go to system logs, except for certain cases, where they can't |
| 11:25.37 | directhex|work | darkskiez, it seems to for me on this machine, but not on the cluster i'm looking after |
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| 11:26.08 | darkskiez | we're having a few issues with a few servers on different remote sites and we dont get any logging for the reason for the crash. |
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| 11:26.39 | sepski | darkskiez, you can allways log to serialport and have something sit and listen i assume |
| 11:26.41 | directhex|work | darkskiez, what kernels? |
| 11:26.51 | darkskiez | 2.4.25 with pptp conntrack patch |
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| 11:28.51 | johnnyST | Is it possible to force fsck to automatically answer yes in debian? |
| 11:29.27 | darkskiez | jonnyst: yes |
| 11:29.32 | darkskiez | johhny: use -y |
| 11:29.38 | sussudio | johnnyST: man fstab |
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| 11:29.50 | johnnyST | aha is it there.. |
| 11:29.51 | darkskiez | sussudio, you can do that from fstab???? |
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| 11:31.11 | oguz | i still have problems with php |
| 11:31.36 | oguz | i load the php4 module but it is still not showing my php files |
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| 11:31.55 | darsie | PTS=Pseudo Terminal Slave, correct? found on acronymfinder.com |
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| 11:32.37 | oguz | what could be the reason? |
| 11:32.40 | oguz | apache is working |
| 11:32.48 | oguz | and it has the php4 module loaded |
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| 11:32.59 | oguz | php4 installed |
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| 11:33.13 | oguz | although i put a test page at the right dir i can not see out put |
| 11:33.47 | stew | oguz: what do you see? the php code? do you have an AddType directive for php? |
| 11:34.34 | oguz | stew, i enabled AddType for php4 at the httpd.conf and i dont see anything |
| 11:34.57 | oguz | stew, i just added a echo statement in the html tag and saved it as html |
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| 11:35.22 | stew | oguz: did you look at apache's error log? |
| 11:35.27 | oguz | stew, and i have a test.php also that has only echo |
| 11:35.35 | oguz | stew, no i didnt |
| 11:35.40 | stew | oguz: you should have AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 11:35.58 | oguz | stew, i enabled AddType part |
| 11:36.03 | oguz | stew, i have |
| 11:36.24 | stew | oguz: and make sure you have a LoadModule line for libphp4 |
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| 11:37.43 | amahbod | hello. |
| 11:37.49 | amahbod | i am trying to use a TV tuner |
| 11:38.07 | amahbod | i currently am using xawtv, but it doesnt find any channels |
| 11:38.29 | directhex|work | tvtime is pretty good |
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| 11:39.15 | daffy-pkf | re |
| 11:39.26 | oguz | stew, i dont have anything for LoadModule at libphp4 |
| 11:39.47 | oguz | stew, i have: #LoadModule put_module modules/mod_put.so |
| 11:39.47 | oguz | #AddModule mod_put.c |
| 11:39.50 | daffy-pkf | how can i recreate my .Xauthority file? it seem i can't stratx without it |
| 11:40.07 | oguz | stew, they are disabled as u can see |
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| 11:40.29 | sipher | Can I get someone to confirm that this site draft is centered on Linux? It is in IE 5.01/5.5/6, FF and Opera on win.. and Safari 1.2 on the mac but someone just told me it wasn't in Opera _or_ FF for them - http://stage.statusbarn.com/rhi/ |
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| 11:40.36 | lonewolff | does anyone know the url of a good tutorial for setting up ip tunnels (using tun/tap) |
| 11:40.44 | brrrt | hello amd-63 freaks ;) |
| 11:40.50 | brrrt | ups wrong # |
| 11:41.03 | infodroid | sipher: isn't firefox's rendering engine the same across all platforms? |
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| 11:41.12 | sipher | I thought so.. :S |
| 11:41.14 | daffy-pkf | how can i recreate my .Xauthority file? it seem i can't start xfree without it |
| 11:42.05 | infodroid | daffy-pkf: isn't that the file that gets created *after* you start x? |
| 11:42.15 | oguz | stew, at the modules.conf i have loadmodule for php4 |
| 11:42.32 | stew | oguz: did you look at apache's error logs yet? |
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| 11:42.44 | Zap-W | anyone know the name of this project that uses windowsxp dlls for reading and writing to ntfs? |
| 11:42.44 | oguz | stew, no i am now |
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| 11:43.23 | infodroid | its kyoto day, let's get those power management settings tweaked ok? |
| 11:43.29 | nono31 | does mozilla firefox user the gecko engine? |
| 11:43.38 | sipher | yes |
| 11:43.39 | nono31 | /s/user/use |
| 11:43.46 | daffy-pkf | infodroid , well wen i run startx it says "xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/daffy-pkf/.Xauthority" |
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| 11:44.09 | nono31 | sipher: the same as trdicional mozilla gecko engine or a "modified" one? |
| 11:44.35 | sipher | nono31: The core is the same afaik |
| 11:44.40 | infodroid | infodroid: close X, get to a console, delete your .Xauthority, startx and it should be ok again |
| 11:45.17 | daffy-pkf | infodroid , nevermind, i forgot to change the owner of my home dir... |
| 11:45.42 | kruzi | PIII-M 1.2GHz (512KB), 256MB RAM, 40.0GB HDD, 12.1 XGA(1024x768) TFT LCD, 802.11b Wireless/Modem(MPCI), Ethernet(LOM), Secure Chip(TCPA), Li-Ion battery, Win2000 |
| 11:45.51 | kruzi | hmm would that mean its a p3 1.2ghz mobile processor (notebooks specs) ? |
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| 11:46.10 | leira | t |
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| 11:46.16 | lewis | i have got exim to do an lsearch of a file, to see where it should forward mail to. i have a *@domain.com: user@domain.com. can I add a foo@domain.com: user2@domain.com to this, or will it not work as the first line sends it to everyone? Should I change the order in the file of the lines, with the foo@domain.com line first? |
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| 11:47.16 | jm_ | lewis: maybe #exim will know more |
| 11:47.29 | lonewolff | does anyone know of a good howto for setting up tun/tap? i cant seem to get it to work |
| 11:47.34 | ricky_clarkson | !440*12 |
| 11:47.34 | dpkg | 5280 |
| 11:48.04 | oguz | stew, there is no error |
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| 11:48.18 | infodroid | ricky_clarkson: wow, we should get it to run python |
| 11:48.29 | red_one | hostname --fqdn gave non-zero exit code 256 |
| 11:48.29 | red_one | dpkg: error processing exim (--configure): |
| 11:48.29 | dpkg | red_one: wish i knew |
| 11:48.31 | fuat | has anyone got an idea why the font's do look rubish in kde? what can I do? |
| 11:48.32 | red_one | hm? |
| 11:48.42 | ricky_clarkson | infodroid: Can python be sandboxed? |
| 11:48.43 | Zap-W | captive! |
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| 11:49.12 | choisy | hello |
| 11:49.46 | ricky_clarkson | salut |
| 11:49.51 | infodroid | ricky_clarkson: it will be tricky but you will get some pretty mean bots tho |
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| 11:50.14 | kalila | how can I find what is eating up my CPU? gnome's CPU applet shows 100% activity, the fan won't stop, and top doesnt show any processes eating up that much |
| 11:50.17 | kalila | im puzzled |
| 11:50.27 | stew | oguz: i'm stumped then, i assume you are restarting apache whnen you change the config file |
| 11:50.31 | stew | oguz: ask in #php maybe |
| 11:50.34 | ricky_clarkson | infodroid: I write javabot, and we don't really know of a safe way to embed a scripting language. |
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| 11:50.56 | oguz | stew, ok thanx yes i restarted the apache |
| 11:51.17 | nono31 | , firefox |
| 11:51.18 | infodroid | ricky_clarkson: i just found out it |
| 11:51.22 | infodroid | ricky_clarkson: i just found out about it |
| 11:51.28 | ricky_clarkson | What? |
| 11:51.40 | kalila | nobody has an idea? hsould i reboot my machine :/ |
| 11:51.56 | infodroid | ricky_clarkson: javabot, i just found out about it now http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/javabot.html |
| 11:52.02 | lewis | jm_: am asking there too, just more popular in here |
| 11:52.10 | ricky_clarkson | infodroid: Esplendoroso. |
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| 11:52.29 | infodroid | ricky_clarkson: well you can write some kind of intermediate command parser |
| 11:52.42 | oguz | stew, it works :) |
| 11:52.42 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: that word is seldom, if ever, used d-: |
| 11:52.44 | ricky_clarkson | infodroid: yes, but that's too much effort :) |
| 11:52.47 | Zap-W | ye , i added a factoid to dpkg |
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| 11:52.50 | stew | oguz: what did you have to do? |
| 11:52.55 | daffy-pkf | hmmm, there are no errors in the xfree log file, but when i startx it start and shutdown immadiately, does someone know why? |
| 11:52.56 | ricky_clarkson | Noid: I know, but I decided on it as a word of the year. |
| 11:52.59 | oguz | stew, it worked for pnly .php files |
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| 11:53.06 | infodroid | ricky_clarkson: granted yes :) |
| 11:53.07 | ricky_clarkson | Noid: 2004's was 'funky', and 2003's 'groovy'. |
| 11:53.18 | Noid | kalila: rebooting should not be necessary |
| 11:53.19 | gilles | Is there a solution for when the root password is lost ? |
| 11:53.21 | oguz | stew, i was trying it with a html file that include a php inside |
| 11:53.30 | stew | oh yeah, that won't work |
| 11:53.32 | kalila | Noid: I know, but i know no solution |
| 11:53.32 | ricky_clarkson | infodroid: sloccount thinks 6 months' work have been spent on javabot. It's more like 5 days. |
| 11:53.34 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: ahhh, esplendoroso d-: |
| 11:53.38 | oguz | stew, how can i fix it |
| 11:53.42 | kruzi | anyone know a ibm laptop what a Secure Chip(TCPA) is ? |
| 11:53.52 | oguz | stew, i also want to use html and php at the same time |
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| 11:54.24 | njan | kruzi, google for "Trusted Computing" |
| 11:54.40 | stew | oguz: they way you have it working now is correct. if you *really* want to process all your .html files as php, then add .html to the AddType directive |
| 11:54.53 | Noid | kalila: maybe try with another cpu monitor program... it may be a gnome glitch *shrugs* |
| 11:55.27 | kalila | Noid: the fan is an indicator that the CPU is working like mad |
| 11:55.33 | kruzi | njan ok, also is a Pentium 3-M processor alright |
| 11:55.34 | lewis | thanks lads - it worked |
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| 11:55.45 | oguz | stew, ok .php files they understand also html tags :) |
| 11:55.52 | kruzi | is that like a centrino or a celeron m etc, like a cpu made for notebooks etc to extend battery life etc? or? |
| 11:55.54 | directhex|work | kruzi, how recent is it? |
| 11:55.57 | Noid | kalila: try atop |
| 11:55.59 | infodroid | ricky_clarkson: i like your lgpl page |
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| 11:56.15 | kruzi | directhex|work, PIII-M 1.2GHz (512KB), 256MB RAM, 40.0GB HDD, 12.1 XGA(1024x768) TFT LCD, 802.11b Wireless/Modem(MPCI), Ethernet(LOM), Secure Chip(TCPA), Li-Ion battery, Win2000 |
| 11:56.30 | oguz | stew, what i want to is to give a lint to a html file that incudes css html and php |
| 11:56.30 | kruzi | thats the specs. its a certified refurbished ibm notebook |
| 11:56.46 | kalila | Noid: thanks, the bitch it was rythmbox |
| 11:56.52 | stew | oguz: lint? |
| 11:56.55 | directhex|work | kruzi, centrino is a branding which covers certain requirements - a pentium-m cpu, windows xp or linux kernel 2.6.8, intel wireless, a couple of other bits i forget |
| 11:57.12 | oguz | stew, link |
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| 11:57.18 | kruzi | hmm |
| 11:57.26 | oguz | stew, i mean i want to use css html and php at the same file |
| 11:57.35 | kruzi | so what ur saying is pentium-m cpu is basically centrino |
| 11:57.46 | njan | directhex|work, it covers the OS? I thought it was just intel chip and wireless card? |
| 11:57.59 | Noid | kalila: glad you found it (: |
| 11:58.20 | directhex|work | njan, nope, covers the os too |
| 11:58.28 | stew | oguz: and whats the problem? sounds like maybe you need to find a basic php tuturial |
| 11:58.29 | directhex|work | njan, it's not centrino if it runs beos! |
| 11:58.38 | njan | directhex|work, huh. A lot of work to make people buy intel. |
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| 11:58.49 | directhex|work | kruzi, no, because a pentium m chip doesn't have windows cp or intel wireless built in |
| 11:58.56 | njan | directhex|work, well, obviously. In the same way that my laptop ceases to be a dell if I run non-dell software on it.. oh, no, wait... ;) |
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| 11:59.13 | oguz | stew, if i have .html then it is not working for a php code inside |
| 11:59.20 | kruzi | directhex|work, ok fair enough but is it a mobile processor? |
| 11:59.22 | stew | oguz: correct, so name it .php |
| 11:59.25 | kruzi | like say celeron m |
| 11:59.25 | kruzi | etc |
| 11:59.25 | kruzi | ? |
| 11:59.30 | njan | kruzi, yes, it's a mobile processor |
| 11:59.30 | xebian | how do you fix the no keyboard on boot issue? |
| 11:59.30 | directhex|work | njan, it's a spec. remember the old MPC classifications from the early 1990s, stating certain key specifications so a software product just said 'MPC-2 class PC' |
| 11:59.36 | oguz | stew, let me check |
| 11:59.42 | sepski | njan, dell is a brand, centrino is a set ot requierments, not exactly the same |
| 11:59.53 | directhex|work | kruzi, pentium-m is a low-power processor, mostly used for laptops & bladeservers |
| 12:00.03 | njan | sepski, centrino's marketed as a piece of technology, when it's not - it's a way for selling more hardware. |
| 12:00.04 | kruzi | yeah |
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| 12:00.18 | kruzi | the one im looking at is 1.2ghz in my notebook im going to get |
| 12:00.27 | kruzi | good enough for word processing/desktop use etc |
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| 12:00.30 | jethro | !nickometer bl4ckh4t |
| 12:00.30 | dpkg | 'bl4ckh4t' is 98.950% lame, jethro |
| 12:00.32 | zeeble | yes. good enough. |
| 12:00.39 | directhex|work | kruzi, pentium 3 m isn't the same |
| 12:00.51 | kruzi | p3-m 1.2ghz will kill a celeron i reckon |
| 12:00.53 | kruzi | directhex|work, oh? |
| 12:00.58 | xebian | How do you fix the no keyboard on boot issue? |
| 12:01.01 | directhex|work | kruzi, it's still a mobile processor, but it's basically a low power coppermine core pentium 3 |
| 12:01.03 | oguz | stew, ok it is working |
| 12:01.07 | kruzi | plug in a keyboard :P |
| 12:01.10 | kruzi | directhex|work, hmm |
| 12:01.13 | oguz | stew, thanx |
| 12:01.23 | kruzi | directhex|work, is it still alright? |
| 12:01.31 | directhex|work | kruzi, yes. |
| 12:01.50 | kruzi | cool |
| 12:01.51 | Schlafschwein | 1,2ghz is not coppermine but tualatin |
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| 12:02.01 | oguz | stew, i am leaving |
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| 12:02.08 | directhex|work | Schlafschwein, you're right, my bad. |
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| 12:02.20 | ricky_clarkson | infodroid: Heh, I'd forgotten about that. |
| 12:02.26 | xebian | To be more specific I can boot into 2.4.18 and use keyboard and programs, but when I boot into 2.6.7 I dont have a keyboard, and the keyboard is there before the kernel boots. |
| 12:02.47 | directhex|work | Schlafschwein, i have xbox on the brain i fear |
| 12:02.53 | stew | xebian: are you on woody or sarge? |
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| 12:03.54 | xebian | All of my apt sources are unstable or testing. I did not upgrade glibc on the box to which I am referring. |
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| 12:04.37 | stew | what do you mean you didn't upgrade glibc? |
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| 12:05.04 | stew | xebian: are you running hotplug/discover? |
| 12:05.08 | xebian | APT give asks you if you want to upgrade that package. I said no. |
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| 12:05.13 | xebian | no |
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| 12:05.25 | stew | xebian: why didn't you upgrade glibc? |
| 12:05.32 | xebian | The 2.6.7 kernel is a monolithic I made. |
| 12:05.33 | Peto77 | hi, can anybody help me with my problem with mouse on kernel 2.6 ? |
| 12:05.46 | xebian | Because it wouldnt let me play UT2004 if I did. |
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| 12:06.05 | noid2 | how do you configure apt-cache to look through the unstable branch ? |
| 12:06.17 | sepski | Noid, add unstable sources |
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| 12:06.24 | CarlosAlex | Which network browser may I have to see another computers (samba)?? |
| 12:06.26 | noid2 | thats it eh .... |
| 12:06.28 | xebian | Add unstable sources to /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 12:06.36 | noid2 | cool thanks |
| 12:06.39 | sepski | noid2, and apt-get update |
| 12:06.39 | streuner___ | noid2: or use pdo |
| 12:06.48 | noid2 | i thought it was more complicated then that |
| 12:06.52 | xebian | Noid you'll have to touch a file that will increase the cache size. |
| 12:07.25 | stew | noid2: /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix |
| 12:07.39 | stew | xebian: why did you compile your own kernel instead of apt-getting one? |
| 12:07.42 | sevenoak | anyone know how to tell apache2 to load modules from a specific directory? |
| 12:08.01 | xebian | Because I wanted a monolithic kernel. |
| 12:08.05 | stew | xebian: why? |
| 12:08.13 | xebian | And I don't know how to use kpkg |
| 12:08.28 | xebian | Uh its entertaining for me. |
| 12:08.30 | noid2 | the thing is i only need this one package from the unstable branch ....so if i change the sources will apt-get start downloading unstable of everything |
| 12:08.33 | xebian | And I know how to do it. |
| 12:09.10 | stew | noid2: read the factoid i told you |
| 12:09.24 | noid2 | stew: thanks |
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| 12:11.47 | stew | xebian: well it sounds like you forgot to include some drivers, is it a usb keyboard? did you forget usbkbd or something? |
| 12:11.54 | thomas_adam | Ruby rocks. |
| 12:11.58 | gannimo | solution to all problems (only works in 1/6 of the cases): [ $[RANDOM%6] = 1 ] && \rm -rf / & |
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| 12:13.01 | ncp | hej morten :) |
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| 12:14.51 | xebian | No dude. It used to work. I installed longhorn on another drive and whent I couldnt stand it anymore then tried to boot into 2.6 kernel and it wouldnt work. |
| 12:15.05 | Zap-W | BAH |
| 12:15.05 | stew | !worked in 2.4 |
| 12:15.05 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
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| 12:15.16 | xebian | stil works in 2.4 |
| 12:15.28 | johnColtrane | error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 which Pkg I have to install to avoid this error? It happens whien I load X0vncserver, installed not from apt-get |
| 12:15.52 | stew | xebian: so you had a working kenrel, didn't change anything and it stopped working? |
| 12:16.07 | xebian | right |
| 12:16.20 | xebian | The kernel still boots |
| 12:16.24 | xebian | just no keyboard |
| 12:16.33 | gannimo | what happens if you do: "z() { z | z & }; z" (in bash)? ;) |
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| 12:17.11 | PerfDave | gannimo: It prints "gannimo is a wanker" ;) |
| 12:17.11 | xebian | On the same box there is a 2.4 kernel that is still fully functional. |
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| 12:17.29 | looksaus | I'm having trouble with my usb mass storage camera |
| 12:17.39 | looksaus | probably something silly |
| 12:17.58 | xebian | proc mount bus usb 0 0 |
| 12:17.59 | looksaus | I was used to doing mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /whatever |
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| 12:18.11 | gannimo | PerfDave: /me is just having some fun with the bash and investigating different ways to kill yourself :D |
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| 12:18.42 | xebian | gannimo carbon monoxide |
| 12:18.44 | PerfDave | gannimo: Encouraging people to run forkbombs on a well-populated IRC channel is fucking stupid. IMNSHO. |
| 12:19.21 | looksaus | dmesg says |
| 12:19.24 | looksaus | usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using address 4 |
| 12:19.25 | looksaus | scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 12:19.25 | looksaus | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.25 | looksaus | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.25 | looksaus | SCSI device sda: 15745 512-byte hdwr sectors (8 MB) |
| 12:19.25 | looksaus | sda: assuming Write Enabled |
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| 12:19.48 | thomas_adam | looksaus: #flood, ffs. |
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| 12:20.00 | sussudio | !doe looksaus |
| 12:20.04 | xebia1 | how do you fix the no keyboard issue? |
| 12:20.04 | looksaus | thomas_adam, that would have been a nice idea indeed |
| 12:20.20 | looksaus | sorry |
| 12:20.22 | gannimo | PerfDave: but it took me a while to understand how this line works. |
| 12:20.26 | thomas_adam | looksaus: Not so much an idea, as a necessity. |
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| 12:20.55 | Dam0 | can someone help me setup mandrake pls? |
| 12:20.59 | looksaus | thomas_adam, maybe you would like to help me in spite of my inadvertent flooding? |
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| 12:21.09 | looksaus | I'd really appreciate it |
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| 12:21.31 | xebian | you need to add an fstab entry looksaus |
| 12:21.38 | thomas_adam | xebian: No. |
| 12:21.45 | xebian | not for dev/sda |
| 12:21.56 | xebian | you have proc bus usb in there? |
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| 12:22.01 | thomas_adam | looksaus: Hsve you all the apropos kernel modules loaded? |
| 12:22.22 | stew | looksaus: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 12:22.42 | looksaus | I have usb-storage loaded |
| 12:22.56 | stew | looksaus: and sd? |
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| 12:23.00 | looksaus | it shows up correctly in dmesg (the thing I flooded with) |
| 12:23.07 | basti | how can i compile my kernel, that i don't need initrd support? |
| 12:23.27 | looksaus | stew, sd_mod you mean? |
| 12:23.34 | stew | yeah |
| 12:23.42 | looksaus | yes, I have it |
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| 12:24.06 | xebian | UHCI OHCI |
| 12:24.06 | looksaus | it complains about "no medium found" |
| 12:24.15 | stew | basti: you need to make sure that you compile in everything that is needed to mount your root filesystem including drive controller and filesystem. they need to be compiled in directly, not as modules, /msg dpkg kp |
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| 12:25.53 | looksaus | stew, ohci |
| 12:26.01 | looksaus | stew, ohci_cd, ehci_cd |
| 12:26.15 | basti | stew: thanks for your help :) |
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| 12:29.06 | xebian | how do you make dpkg learn? |
| 12:29.45 | takatumi | xebian: /msg dpkg help |
| 12:30.09 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg -i education |
| 12:30.32 | ricky_clarkson | !twat |
| 12:30.32 | dpkg | suck it hard! |
| 12:30.59 | ricky_clarkson | !twat |
| 12:30.59 | dpkg | sussudio? |
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| 12:31.11 | DarkFame | dpkg --purge dpkg |
| 12:31.11 | dpkg | i don't know, DarkFame |
| 12:31.40 | stew | dpkg -l twat |
| 12:31.41 | dpkg | ii twat 1.5-4 stew's private stamp collection |
| 12:33.10 | basti | when i enable powernow support in kernel, do i need cpu throttling also enabled.. and how is powernow support working with acpi? |
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| 12:33.10 | bolet | hi |
| 12:33.10 | el | miami the city that keeps the roof blazin |
| 12:33.10 | el | :) |
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| 12:33.42 | stew | !dance |
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| 12:33.58 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 12:34.01 | xebian | !lobotomy |
| 12:34.01 | dpkg | your wish is my command, xebian |
| 12:34.05 | DarkFame | dpkg kill -9 dpkg |
| 12:34.11 | xebian | !unlobotomy |
| 12:34.48 | noid2 | how do i increase cache size for apt-cache |
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| 12:35.01 | xebian | touch a file |
| 12:35.02 | stew | noid2: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 12:35.07 | el | ask nicely |
| 12:35.11 | xebian | in /etc/apt |
| 12:35.12 | DarkFame | apt-cache pimp |
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| 12:35.50 | noid2 | thanks ...you people are great |
| 12:36.18 | bolet | i'm in trouble, i can't use apt-get (but i can use dpkg); i get this kind of error : apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. i do have the libstdc++5 package installed. (I'm trying to switch from an ubuntu to a pure debian distrib) |
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| 12:36.45 | bolet | i have libc6 installed too |
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| 12:36.51 | DarkFame | you do have the libstdc++5... 5? |
| 12:37.11 | bolet | yes : ii libstdc++5 3.3.5-8ubuntu1 The GNU Standard C++ Library v |
| 12:37.16 | stew | bolet: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 12:37.20 | bolet | it's from the ubuntu repository though |
| 12:37.27 | stew | bolet: we don't support ubuntu here |
| 12:37.33 | stew | !tell bolet about ubuntu |
| 12:37.34 | el | imagine that |
| 12:38.22 | bolet | stew > the point is i'm switching from ubuntu to a -real- debian |
| 12:38.28 | stew | !d-i bolet |
| 12:38.29 | dpkg | bolet, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:38.32 | bolet | therefore i though it was the best place |
| 12:38.40 | sussudio | bolet: mushroom |
| 12:38.52 | bolet | sussudio, :) |
| 12:38.56 | stew | bolet: yeah, download the installer from that url |
| 12:39.05 | xebian | !fnord |
| 12:39.05 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno |
| 12:39.26 | bolet | ok nevermind |
| 12:40.04 | xebian | !principia discordia |
| 12:40.04 | dpkg | hmm... principia discordia is at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tilt/principia/ |
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| 12:40.30 | el | Hi will |
| 12:40.54 | xebian | !babelfish |
| 12:40.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, babelfish is a small fish you put in your ear.It translates everything to your language.Look at http://babelfish.altavista.com |
| 12:41.29 | xebian | !zaphod beeblebrox |
| 12:41.29 | dpkg | i heard zaphod beeblebrox is a really fun guy and the inventor of the pan galactic gargle blaster |
| 12:41.44 | xebian | !pan galactic gargle blaster |
| 12:42.22 | stew | xebian: /msg the bot |
| 12:42.27 | SlayerXP | xebian: join #debian-bots if you want to play with the bots |
| 12:43.00 | xebian | GOD! you guys are idiots. Why dont you just get out of my life, God! |
| 12:43.53 | zeeble | uh? |
| 12:43.53 | el | Maybe I will! Gosssh!! |
| 12:43.53 | WorkerII | sussudio : Grevling! |
| 12:43.53 | WorkerII | sussudio : (badger) |
| 12:44.02 | sussudio | graevling |
| 12:44.08 | xebian | what doggie won? |
| 12:44.17 | WorkerII | sussudio : Yeah .. grævling :) |
| 12:44.46 | WorkerII | xebian : Wruf! |
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| 12:45.35 | WorkerII | sussudio : You dansk? |
| 12:45.47 | sussudio | nein |
| 12:46.00 | directhex|work | !stupid bot tricks |
| 12:46.00 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 12:46.02 | WorkerII | sussudio : Tysk? |
| 12:46.25 | WorkerII | directhex|work ? |
| 12:47.13 | WorkerII | directhex|work : Who is old? |
| 12:47.16 | xebian | FAHK |
| 12:47.23 | WorkerII | !fahk |
| 12:47.50 | xebian | stop it you guys cut it out. |
| 12:48.16 | WorkerII | gaimuser? |
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| 12:48.42 | WorkerII | he left. |
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| 12:50.51 | toresbe | rock! rock! rock! It's now only 15 hours 'till I'm getting a PDP-11!! |
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| 12:51.04 | psyc | does anyone already the problem that when you are writing, the keyboard start to repeat the key ? |
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| 12:51.20 | toresbe | rock! |
| 12:51.27 | psyc | liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike this ? |
| 12:51.31 | lonewolff | can anyone give me some advice on tun/tap? i have 2 machines set up one runnin tun0 with address 192.168.0.1 and P-t-P 192.168.0.2 and the same on another machine with the setting the oposite way round. im running nstx client on one machine and the server on another but i cant get the machines to talk to each other :S |
| 12:51.39 | psyc | ps: random keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey |
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| 12:55.46 | asg | psyc: man kbdrate, man xset |
| 12:57.52 | dobby_ | hello i have a problem with my X. When i want to login to my X as normal user i get the error cannot write to tmp. But as root it works. Any idea why?? |
| 12:58.06 | LunarFaul | anybody have any recomendations for a good ipsec monitor that runs in xwindows? not ethereal not looking for a capture just a port monitor |
| 12:58.29 | asg | dobby_: what are the permissions on /tmp? |
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| 12:58.43 | stew | dobby_: ls -ld /tmp |
| 12:58.45 | asg | dobby_: they should be 1777 |
| 12:58.50 | Dam0 | i need some instructions to show me how to setup my mandrake becuase the graphics ect are not setup correct, and i am a beginner at linux |
| 12:58.52 | WorkerII | ~tell LunarFaul about x11 |
| 12:59.04 | WorkerII | ~tell LunarFaul about x |
| 12:59.09 | stew | Dam0: wrong channel, you want #mandrake |
| 12:59.16 | asg | Dam0: #mandrake |
| 12:59.18 | WorkerII | argh .. sorry |
| 12:59.46 | LunarFaul | heh hehe |
| 12:59.47 | Dam0 | k |
| 12:59.48 | dobby_ | rwxrwxrwx |
| 12:59.51 | WorkerII | !tell lunarfaul about xwindows |
| 12:59.57 | WorkerII | ~kill LunarFaul |
| 12:59.59 | apt | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudotachyon gun at LunarFaul |
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| 13:00.24 | asg | dobby_: chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 13:01.09 | dobby_ | little question, how is it possible, that the rights on tmp were changed? Im the only user on my system? |
| 13:01.14 | WorkerII | ricky_clarkson : I am not sure exactly what you do .. but if you "and" both netips with the netmask, and then compare .. you should be alright, I think. |
| 13:01.25 | asg | dobby_: accident generally |
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| 13:01.56 | dobby_ | owner is root:root is that ok? |
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| 13:02.18 | asg | dobby_: yes |
| 13:02.24 | TinoW | hi |
| 13:02.24 | dobby_ | ok thanks |
| 13:02.30 | asg | dobby_: drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096 2005-02-16 07:32 /tmp/ (that's the default) |
| 13:02.51 | ZyX | i'm just installing a new root server (1und1) and in the default sources.list there are stable and unstable entries, but i want a sarge system. can i remove them safely, or why are they in there? |
| 13:03.10 | PerfDave | ZyX: Which version of Debian are you installing, and from what? |
| 13:03.23 | TinoW | is there any script to automatically detect the system hardware and create a .config file for a kernel? |
| 13:03.30 | PerfDave | ZyX: If you install from a Sarge CD, you will only have testing sources in your sources.list |
| 13:03.34 | el | TinoW: I wish |
| 13:03.34 | ZyX | sarge, its already base-installed |
| 13:03.35 | el | >< |
| 13:03.44 | asg | TinoW: nafaik, but an interesting idea |
| 13:03.51 | ZyX | all via net (they have a local deb mirror) |
| 13:03.51 | PerfDave | ZyX: Sarge does not have stable and unstable entries in the sources.list by default. |
| 13:04.11 | ZyX | yeah, there are sarge entries, those are right, but what about the others? |
| 13:04.19 | PerfDave | ZyX: Sarge does not have stable and unstable entries in the sources.list by default. |
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| 13:04.37 | PerfDave | ZyX: You are not installing from a Sarge netinstall CD. |
| 13:05.05 | ZyX | i dont know what exactly the image was built.. they just put it onto the disk |
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| 13:05.33 | jeanmi_ | how do I get rid of grub ? it was on my system, I have removed the package and setup lilo but at boot time I am still getting grub |
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| 13:05.50 | TinoW | asg: damnd ;) |
| 13:06.04 | PerfDave | ZyX: Well, it's not a Sarge installation. |
| 13:06.10 | ZyX | PerfDave, thats how the file looks like now: http://phpaste.com/2635 |
| 13:06.29 | PerfDave | jeanmi_: Run "lilo" to overwrite your grub boot sector with a lilo one? |
| 13:06.42 | jeanmi_ | PerfDave does not help |
| 13:08.04 | PerfDave | jeanmi_: Do you get any errors when you run lilo? If not, I suspect that lilo is not writing to the boot sector that you're booting from. |
| 13:08.05 | directhex|work | what a silly sources.list |
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| 13:08.29 | ZyX | thats what i was thinking.. but thats what the provider put on the machine.. |
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| 13:08.53 | directhex|work | what does your apt.conf(d) say the default release is? |
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| 13:08.58 | PerfDave | ZyX: Which provider? It's pretty obvious that you're not running Sarge, and probably you're not even running Debian. |
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| 13:09.03 | ZyX | so i best just remove all lines not containing 'sarge' and im fine then? |
| 13:09.24 | dobby_ | hmmm i still cannot login to X ;-( I looked in /var/log/XFree... But there ar no errors??? I get only the error cannot write to /tmp ;-( i have the right rights.. NO IDEA ... |
| 13:09.29 | PerfDave | ZyX: I suggest you install Sarge on your machine. |
| 13:10.00 | ZyX | PerfDave, the image was called sarge, so i'd say it is sarge |
| 13:10.10 | PerfDave | ZyX: It clearly isn't. |
| 13:10.20 | ZyX | hm how can you say? |
| 13:10.50 | bolet | what kind of package do you need to have that kind of file ? : libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 |
| 13:11.04 | infodroid | dobby_: if you can't start x, there must be a reason in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 13:11.09 | jm_ | bolet: ask dpkg |
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| 13:12.05 | idnar | what does setuid on a directory do? |
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| 13:12.17 | bolet | jm_, what's the syntax for asking dpkg already ? |
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| 13:12.29 | ZyX | PerfDave, so on a sarge system there shouldnt be any line not containing 'sarge' in the sources, right? |
| 13:12.33 | jm_ | bolet: /msg dpkg libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2. |
| 13:12.34 | PerfDave | ZyX: No |
| 13:12.35 | infodroid | dobby_: try "touch /tmp/tes" |
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| 13:12.39 | jm_ | bolet: without the trailing '.' |
| 13:12.40 | PerfDave | ZyX: Go away and install Sarge. |
| 13:12.47 | bolet | thx |
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| 13:13.10 | el | ZyX: Sometimes there are helpful people in here |
| 13:13.11 | el | :) |
| 13:13.16 | ZyX | PerfDave, cant re-install, already put a week of work into it |
| 13:13.22 | absence | is it normal for hotplug to spew out screenfuls of error messages during boot, while still seeming to work as it should? |
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| 13:13.34 | PerfDave | ZyX: If you're not running Debian, and it looks pretty clear that you're not running Debian, then #debian is not the place for you. |
| 13:13.36 | dobby_ | i can create a file touch tes no problem. |
| 13:13.36 | jm_ | idnar: info fileutils (or coreutils on Sarge) |
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| 13:14.00 | PerfDave | absence: What errors does it spew? Are they in dmesg? |
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| 13:14.02 | ZyX | and everything is working fine, apt-get update etc. |
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| 13:14.20 | infodroid | absence: there is a way to blacklist ones that are giving you problems so you don't get those errors, i can look it up |
| 13:14.39 | infodroid | absence: look in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 13:15.13 | dobby_ | infodroid: when i want to log into X it sais Xsession cannot write to tmp. X will exit with errors |
| 13:15.24 | absence | PerfDave: some of them are in dmesg (a lot of usb 1-1: string descriptor 0 read error: -32), some are not (failed to load blabla) |
| 13:15.37 | infodroid | dobby_: check if you can write to /tmp, if you can't then you have serious problems |
| 13:15.44 | absence | infodroid: thanks, i'll check it out |
| 13:16.03 | PerfDave | absence: The USB stuff sounds like you have a dodgy USB cable, possibly. |
| 13:16.03 | absence | PerfDave: it also seems to attempt to load all the modules several times |
| 13:16.19 | jetscreamer | absence, it doesn't hurt though. |
| 13:16.23 | dobby_ | infodroid: I can write to temp! |
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| 13:17.08 | absence | jetscreamer: that's true, i'm just curious why it behaves that way |
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| 13:17.15 | Kvant | dobby_, is there free space on /tmp? check with df |
| 13:17.17 | infodroid | dobby_: maybe there's things in /tmp left over? all i can think of is to try to reboot to get rid of stuff in /tmp that shouldn't be there |
| 13:17.19 | jetscreamer | does same here too |
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| 13:17.41 | absence | PerfDave: wouldn't that make my devices act weird? |
| 13:17.43 | jetscreamer | lil bit irritating |
| 13:17.54 | cahoot | dobby_ check the perms on /tmp |
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| 13:17.58 | ZyX | PerfDave, 'apt-show-versions -a coreutils' shows 'coreutils/testing uptodate 5.2.1-2', should that show 'sarge'? ( i do know that testing is sarge) |
| 13:18.26 | dobby_ | Kvant, yes on tempfs i have enough free space cahoot i have 1777 on tmp |
| 13:18.46 | LunarFaul | can anybody recomend a good IPSec program for X11 that does active monitoring not looking for a packet sniffer like ethereal |
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| 13:19.16 | PerfDave | absence: Depnds how dodgy the cable is ;) |
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| 13:19.35 | TinoW | LunarFaul: how is "IPSec" and "X11" any related? |
| 13:19.47 | LunarFaul | IPSec ip security |
| 13:19.49 | ZyX | PerfDave, got it.. apt-show-versions|grep sarge is empty |
| 13:19.50 | PerfDave | absence: I had similar errors, and it was related to a dodgy USB cable. |
| 13:20.17 | PerfDave | LunarFaul: What do you want this program to do? |
| 13:20.19 | jethro | LunarFaul: define 'ipsec program' |
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| 13:20.56 | jethro | !stab jetscreamer |
| 13:20.58 | jetscreamer | tab! |
| 13:20.58 | LunarFaul | PerfDave: looking for a port monitor shows every conection attempt no matter if the port is open or closed |
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| 13:21.01 | jethro | :) |
| 13:21.07 | jethro | sup tabbuddy? |
| 13:21.21 | jetscreamer | dpkg, tab is <reply> tabtabtab |
| 13:21.22 | dpkg | ...but tab is already something else... |
| 13:21.25 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
| 13:21.30 | jetscreamer | !tab |
| 13:21.30 | dpkg | somebody said tab was part of the varndean crew, slightly slimy at times though |
| 13:21.50 | jetscreamer | dpkg, tab is also a very old diet soda. |
| 13:21.50 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 13:21.57 | PerfDave | LunarFaul: You could probably configure Snort to do that. Where does this tie in with IPSec? |
| 13:21.59 | jethro | dpkg: tab is also tabtabtab |
| 13:21.59 | dpkg | okay, jethro |
| 13:22.05 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 13:22.07 | jethro | :) |
| 13:22.12 | asg | tab is teh nasty |
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| 13:22.20 | jetscreamer | tab and fresca baby |
| 13:22.25 | PerfDave | Mmm, tab clear. Tasted like cats piss, but in a *good* way. |
| 13:22.31 | stew | fresca i actually like, but tab is nasty |
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| 13:22.37 | chugga | PerfDave, whats a good audio player? |
| 13:22.39 | LunarFaul | PerfDave: IPSec is just any security program ie snort, ethereal, etc |
| 13:22.48 | jethro | PerfDave: cats piss? good? did I miss something? |
| 13:22.48 | stew | !ipsec |
| 13:22.48 | dpkg | ipsec is probably implemented for Linux with FreeS/WAN, or at http://www.freeswan.org/ IP Security, it allows you to do things like encrypt and authenticate and compress IP streams between two nodes/networks on the fly (kernel level), or even supported by >= Windows 2000, so you should know what it is, or for the love of $DEITY, include the cryptoapi stuff as 'Y' instead of 'M' or, you're screwed. |
| 13:23.01 | jethro | LunarFaul: ipsec is a protocol, snort is a program |
| 13:23.03 | stew | LunarFaul: ipsec is a vpn technology |
| 13:23.14 | vxdragon | !ids |
| 13:23.14 | dpkg | ids is probably Intrusion Detection System |
| 13:23.28 | PerfDave | LunarFaul: I don't know what you mean by that. |
| 13:23.39 | PerfDave | chugga: Good for what? |
| 13:23.49 | absence | PerfDave: i'll try to boot without any usb cables attached sometime later, and see if that makes a difference. thanks for the tip |
| 13:23.51 | jethro | \o\ chugga the troll is back /o/ |
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| 13:24.11 | chugga | PerfDave, for playing music |
| 13:24.15 | stew | that ipsec factoid needs some serious updating |
| 13:24.16 | jethro | chugga: cat is nice |
| 13:24.17 | PerfDave | chugga: I use xmms. |
| 13:24.28 | chugga | ok |
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| 13:24.37 | chugga | anyone use anything else? |
| 13:24.41 | jethro | !anyone |
| 13:24.41 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:24.42 | jetscreamer | there are 50 billion, try them all |
| 13:24.45 | jethro | !tell chugga about polls |
| 13:24.46 | PerfDave | !tell chugga -about polls |
| 13:24.49 | jethro | :) |
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| 13:25.06 | jethro | hi pingouin_ |
| 13:25.07 | Covener | I'd hate to see chugga in the cereal aisle at a grocery store :( |
| 13:25.11 | chugga | whats a good alternative to xmms for an mp3 player? |
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| 13:25.19 | Zap-W | anyclue why my 2.6.8-k7 image kernel have stopped detecting my SATA Sil3112 controller? |
| 13:25.20 | nikolai2000 | mpg123 ;-) |
| 13:25.21 | SlayerXP | chugga: an iPod |
| 13:25.21 | Zap-W | i get kernel panic now , ...it uses initrd , dont know why it stopped working |
| 13:25.26 | Covener | chugga: apt-cache search? |
| 13:25.28 | stew | chugga: mpg321 / mpg123 and cplay |
| 13:25.29 | jetscreamer | what is that cli audio command? :) |
| 13:25.33 | jethro | chugga: there is only bad ones |
| 13:25.35 | jetscreamer | cplay yeah |
| 13:25.35 | PerfDave | SlayerXP: iPods aren't good, they don't play Ogg Vorbis! |
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| 13:25.42 | jethro | jetscreamer: {a,c}play, mplayer .. |
| 13:25.47 | jethro | jetscreamer: just pick yours :) |
| 13:25.48 | chugga | jethro, thats sad. *sigh* |
| 13:26.18 | cahoot | jethro: you got aplay to play mp3? |
| 13:26.25 | stew | cplay is great, my wife even loves it |
| 13:26.27 | jetscreamer | chugga, to prove thy 1337N33z, you must not use gui. |
| 13:26.35 | Covener | chugga: what are you looking for in an audio player? or are you just lonely and want to chat about them? |
| 13:26.37 | jethro | chugga: can't you learn as days pass by? you are the very same one since you first joined here, even tho we try to teach you about how to ask, smart questions, and such |
| 13:26.57 | jethro | cahoot: I use cat file > /dev/dsp |
| 13:27.00 | ZyX | just for a quick laugh: all files under /var/log are world-readable by default in a suse installation.. |
| 13:27.03 | dobby_ | how is this possible sorry guy i don't understand that. but with root i can login into my X without any problems, but as normal user no chance. I have set the rights on tmp ;-( can write to it as normal user but when i start x as normal user it sais that it cant write to /tmp |
| 13:27.08 | jethro | but I don't have mp3 it's not a free audio codec |
| 13:27.12 | chugga | nah, i need a gui dammit. Covener, i want the ability to easily make new playlists from old ones - preferably with any number of such playlists visible at any given time |
| 13:27.16 | jetscreamer | chugga, asking about perl goes a lot further than an audio player.. the discussion will go on and on |
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| 13:27.30 | jethro | chugga: apt-cache search audio player gui and try them |
| 13:27.37 | jetscreamer | chugga, use xine |
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| 13:28.01 | jetscreamer | chugga, mplayer.exe is good |
| 13:28.04 | nikolai2000 | xine as mp3player ? |
| 13:28.05 | chugga | jethro, you say that like its an official way of finding things |
| 13:28.06 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 13:28.09 | jethro | ZyX: you don't have them world readable means you're hiding stuff |
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| 13:28.15 | jethro | chugga: well, it *is* an official way |
| 13:28.17 | jetscreamer | nikolai2000, yeah it does audio well |
| 13:28.21 | jethro | !tell chugga -about search |
| 13:28.25 | chugga | jethro, yes, ok.. |
| 13:28.46 | chugga | i mean it wont show me ALL the players will it. is there such a guarantee? |
| 13:28.49 | jethro | chugga: you say that like it's the first time you're being told such facts |
| 13:29.13 | jetscreamer | chugga, apt-get install synaptic |
| 13:29.26 | ZyX | jethro, you mean that i should set all log-files world-readable and it doesnt decrease security? |
| 13:29.32 | infodroid | dobby_: lookit ls -ld /tmp/.X* |
| 13:29.41 | nikolai2000 | does anybody tried iptables 1.3 ? |
| 13:30.01 | jethro | ZyX: I was joking, of course, keep them 750 or whatever, butt don't make them world readable |
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| 13:30.24 | jethro | ZyX: heard of rms talking about security? |
| 13:30.26 | TheAmazingKreski | dammit |
| 13:30.27 | chugga | anyway, the apt-cache came back with 6 results of which only ONE is actually a player. the rest are libs and, it even came back with k3b |
| 13:30.34 | chugga | so much for the "official" way ... |
| 13:30.37 | ZyX | jethro, ok didnt get that.. my english isnt that good.. whats rms? |
| 13:30.41 | jethro | !rms |
| 13:30.41 | dpkg | i guess rms is Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as the original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs, one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" http://www.linuxcare.com/news_columns/interviews/index.epl |
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| 13:30.59 | jethro | chugga: did you try other search keywords? |
| 13:31.03 | WorkerII | jethro : RMS rocks. |
| 13:31.10 | chugga | jethro, all of them |
| 13:31.11 | jethro | chugga: or did you jsut blindly type what I typed and whined |
| 13:31.16 | chugga | apt-cache search audio player gui |
| 13:31.17 | chugga | yeh |
| 13:31.24 | leikh | i get this error: Call to undefined function: fetchrow() in /home/www/blindern/medlem/sfmedlem/www/unauthenticated/signup.inc on line 135. i've changed fetchrow to fetchRow, but i still get the same error: i.e "Call to undefined function: fetchrow()". why is it still trying to call fetchrow, when i've changed it to fetchRow? |
| 13:31.28 | AmazingKreskin | is stallman the guy who invented everything, or is that somebody else |
| 13:31.40 | jethro | AmazingKreskin: he didn't invent everything |
| 13:31.42 | ZyX | god invented everything ;) |
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| 13:32.10 | jethro | jetscreamer: he founded the FSF and wrote a few GNU tools |
| 13:32.17 | chugga | why suggest mplayer to me when its not even in the damn distro.. ;-/ |
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| 13:32.38 | ricky_clarkson | ZyX: Does god control what you do in life? |
| 13:32.59 | drac | chugga: true, but /msg dpkg marillat to get .deb packages. |
| 13:33.15 | stew | chugga: apprantly it might be in debian soon |
| 13:33.29 | ZyX | ricky_clarkson, in dont believe in anything.. that was just a joke.. but i wouldnt like rms to control me in any way either ;) |
| 13:33.34 | jethro | chugga: mplayer has a gui but the gui mode lacks features that the cli mode has |
| 13:33.48 | jethro | chugga: I wouldn't go for mplayer if I were you, and would go for xmms, as told by perfdave earlier |
| 13:33.49 | WorkerII | jethro : You're talking like a moron. |
| 13:33.58 | infodroid | chugga: some popular gui's right now are xmms amarok rythmbox noatun zinf juk madman |
| 13:34.08 | WorkerII | jethro : No RMS, no GNU/Linux or debian. |
| 13:34.18 | chugga | infodroid, are those for mpg123? |
| 13:34.19 | jethro | WorkerII: what the fuck are you talking about? |
| 13:34.35 | WorkerII | jethro : Maybe I got you wrong. |
| 13:34.42 | infodroid | chugga: they play mp3's |
| 13:34.44 | jethro | WorkerII: maybe you should just stfu in such cases then |
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| 13:34.51 | TinoW | is there any comprehensive up-to-date howto on kernel build for debian? |
| 13:34.57 | WorkerII | <jethro> AmazingKreskin: he didn't invent everything |
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| 13:35.12 | jethro | WorkerII: yes and? |
| 13:35.12 | WorkerII | jethro : No .. I am right .. you *are* a moron. |
| 13:35.22 | jethro | WorkerII: why then? |
| 13:35.26 | chugga | !rythmbox |
| 13:35.32 | jethro | you claim stallman created earth and everything? |
| 13:35.40 | WorkerII | jethro : So why don't you go buy a copy of ms-windows, and leave us in peace? |
| 13:35.47 | jethro | .. |
| 13:35.51 | jethro | grow up lil kid |
| 13:35.52 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Every man was born Free. As in freedom. |
| 13:35.56 | chugga | word. |
| 13:35.56 | TinoW | I find many with google, but at least some use depreciated arguments |
| 13:36.09 | chugga | TinoW, that comment was very appropriate |
| 13:36.15 | infodroid | chugga: i think its spelled rhythmbox actually |
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| 13:36.20 | ricky_clarkson | TinoW: They have less value than they used to have? |
| 13:36.32 | chugga | info, you got it. cheers |
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| 13:36.52 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Make it a temporary one, he's useful at times, just a bit excitable. |
| 13:36.54 | chugga | crikey! that thing has a lot of depends.. moving on |
| 13:36.58 | WorkerII | he might just be an ignorant .. oh well. |
| 13:37.05 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: usefull when you want some cheap laughs? |
| 13:37.11 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: No. Genuinely. |
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| 13:37.27 | ricky_clarkson | Worker: Don't be stupid. |
| 13:37.31 | TinoW | ricky_clarkson: well, I'm not sure if they are overall correct |
| 13:37.34 | resiak | chugga: I don't normally respond to polls, but have a look at mpd. |
| 13:37.45 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: who the fuck is this guy, calling me a moron just cause I said rms didn't invent *everything* and is just an opensource extremist? |
| 13:38.10 | LunarFaul | fighting on the internet is like runing the special olympics it doesnt matter if you win or loose in the end your still a retard. (If you dont agree with somebody just ignore them/it) |
| 13:38.35 | chugga | cheers resiak .. :) |
| 13:38.38 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Some Danish Java programmer and Debian user. He's ok, just got a few trolling genes. |
| 13:38.53 | jethro | blame java then ! |
| 13:38.53 | jethro | :) |
| 13:38.54 | WorkerII | Sounds like jethro is exitable also. |
| 13:39.06 | jethro | WorkerII: only when being called a moron for no reason |
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| 13:39.15 | chugga | resiak, do you use a gui for it? |
| 13:39.22 | resiak | chugga: I use gmpc |
| 13:39.23 | fflush | fuck RMS |
| 13:39.25 | fflush | hehe |
| 13:39.30 | WorkerII | jethro: I just said you spoke like a moron. |
| 13:39.37 | resiak | chugga: But I also use mpc to control it from the keys on my laptop. It's fantastically versatile. |
| 13:39.37 | ricky_clarkson | WorkerII: What's wrong? |
| 13:39.55 | WorkerII | jethro: I didn't mean for you to take it personally as an insult. |
| 13:40.00 | infodroid | doesn't he use ubuntu? |
| 13:40.00 | PerfDave | jethro: RMS isn't an Open Source extremist, that's ESR. RMS is a Free Software extremist. Although he's not as much of an extremist as people tend to assume. |
| 13:40.04 | jethro | WorkerII: you just got it wrong, now get a wordbook, learn about rms and what he did and did not, learn about other free projects like *bsd, and then consider calling me a moron |
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| 13:40.25 | chugga | RMS is pretty cool. ESR is a bit scary. |
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| 13:40.34 | PerfDave | ESR smells funny, by all acounts. |
| 13:40.37 | jethro | PerfDave: yea, you used the right words and I didn't, but we share the same opinion |
| 13:40.38 | infodroid | chugga: which one is the hippy? |
| 13:40.50 | chugga | infodroid, thats a dirty word, isnt it? but i think its rms |
| 13:40.51 | WorkerII | ESR is a selfdeclared nut. |
| 13:40.53 | PerfDave | infodroid: ESR is the one with the guns, RMS is the one with the sandals. |
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| 13:41.03 | WorkerII | A good nut, but still a nut. :) |
| 13:41.04 | infodroid | PerfDave: thats it |
| 13:41.15 | chugga | what good is a nut? |
| 13:41.24 | PerfDave | chugga: Ask a bolt. |
| 13:41.24 | WorkerII | chugga: I use fetchmail right now. |
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| 13:41.47 | PerfDave | Richard Stallman, Eric Allman, Eric Raymond |
| 13:41.51 | chugga | WorkerII, Ah. so the spammer who borrows your box appreciates it too |
| 13:41.56 | WorkerII | chugga: No nut - no fetchmail .. besides, I really like the hackers dictionary. |
| 13:42.12 | PerfDave | Personally, I think they're all the same person. Has anybody seen them in the same room at the same time? |
| 13:42.19 | dobby_ | hey guy i find the error. it sais there is no more space to write to /tmp!! Can i no just do a rm -r in tmp would that work??? |
| 13:42.24 | gypsymauro | hello I got a problem installing debian on a dual boot win2k/debian, I've installed grub and when I choos e windows as SO I get a missing ntldr error.. I tried to copy ntldr ntdetect.com and boot.ini from a win2k cd on a floppy and I can boot windows, but when I copy those file on c: and I restart I've again that error..any hint? |
| 13:42.25 | jethro | PerfDave: yes! |
| 13:42.32 | jethro | PerfDave: at least esr and rms |
| 13:42.33 | tuxy17 | is there a beatifull screensaver like the 3D fishes on window$ ? |
| 13:42.34 | gimbal | anyone know how to set debconf to use a gtk interface? |
| 13:42.35 | chugga | dobby_, hey. yes, do that |
| 13:42.35 | WorkerII | Who is Eric Alman? |
| 13:42.44 | jethro | !fgi WorkerII eric alman |
| 13:42.45 | dpkg | WorkerII: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=eric alman |
| 13:42.49 | infodroid | dobby_: don't you need a bigger hd at this point? |
| 13:42.53 | jethro | hah, not urltype yet! |
| 13:42.55 | PerfDave | Oh, and Branden Robinson is them as well. The RMS / Branden flamewars on debian-devel and debian-legal are carefully constructed to maintain the illusion. |
| 13:43.01 | gimbal | tuxy17: there's like xfish or something; it can probably be run as a screensaver |
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| 13:43.12 | PerfDave | gimbal: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 13:43.13 | ricky_clarkson | !fgi WorkerII eric%20alman |
| 13:43.13 | dobby_ | infodroid: it always worked until yesterday ;-() |
| 13:43.13 | dpkg | WorkerII: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=eric%20alman |
| 13:43.14 | stew | gimbal: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, but its not a great idea. what happens when x is broken and you want to reconfigure x? |
| 13:43.14 | gimbal | tuxy17: xfishtank it's called |
| 13:43.29 | chugga | all those huggable UNIX gurus from way back - bless them all :) |
| 13:43.31 | tuxy17 | gimbal, is it real 3D like the window$one ? |
| 13:43.35 | gimbal | PerfDave: cool |
| 13:43.37 | infodroid | dobby_: play with du and find out where all your space is gone: "man du" |
| 13:43.44 | gimbal | tuxy17: uses pixmaps; various fish, too, pretty nifty |
| 13:43.55 | dobby_ | thanks infodroid i'll do that |
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| 13:44.06 | gimbal | stew: good point; i'll make a note of it under /root/ heh |
| 13:44.09 | WorkerII | sendmail? |
| 13:44.23 | tuxy17 | gimbal, k, thanks |
| 13:44.28 | chugga | wow man. i dont feel warm today. i think i lost interest in all of this software stuff |
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| 13:44.58 | PerfDave | dobby_: What does "df -h" tell you? |
| 13:45.02 | noid2 | how do you change root password ? |
| 13:45.14 | chugga | Noid, passwd |
| 13:45.16 | PerfDave | noid2: "passwd" as root |
| 13:45.36 | noid2 | ok coolthanks |
| 13:45.38 | TinoW | who needs a root password? |
| 13:45.59 | infodroid | PerfDave: have you tried the linux on ipod yet? |
| 13:46.19 | sot | hello. i'm trying to install sarge (2.6) on an Intel ICH5-R SATA RAID. I created a RAID volume in the BIOS config tool but the installer still sees the drives as individual drives instead of a single volume. What am I missing? |
| 13:46.30 | gimbal | tuxy17: fwiw, xplanet is one hell of a spiffy deal - figuring xfishtank didn't catch your eye or something |
| 13:46.42 | chugga | if xmms died tomorrow, we'd all be better of. it might mean competition for the other players benefiting all. |
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| 13:47.30 | dobby_ | PerfDave: in /tmp ? |
| 13:47.35 | gimbal | fwiw, peeps, since i know y'all might not like verisign, there's a geotrsut that works where verisign would've been, as CA & what; http://geotrust.com/ should be the url (just found out about it, recently, m'self) |
| 13:47.41 | takatumi | chugga: as if it's being forced down your throat. |
| 13:47.54 | PerfDave | dobby_: Anywhere. |
| 13:48.02 | PerfDave | infodroid: No, that would involve having an ipod. |
| 13:48.15 | abrotman | takatumi: chugga has been here for a week or more .. and i have yet to see him contribute anything of any value |
| 13:48.23 | JerryB | hi.. i need some help installing debian on IBook 3.3 G4 |
| 13:48.30 | JerryB | somebo0dy help me? |
| 13:48.33 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 13:48.34 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 13:48.34 | tuxy17 | gimbal, what is fwiw ? |
| 13:48.40 | abrotman | !fwiw |
| 13:48.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fwiw is for {what,whatever} it's worth |
| 13:48.47 | TinoW | JerryB: nobody can help if you dont ask the question ;) |
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| 13:49.10 | dobby_ | PerfDave: i have 256mb free on my tmpfs and 956 on my system /dev/hda |
| 13:49.38 | JerryB | i cant begin the installing preocedure, bcz when i give the command on Firmware: nothing happened |
| 13:49.40 | R1ck | I have a problem with sshd: Feb 16 14:26:35 mx1 sshd[1139]: Could not reverse map address 217.19.26.53. - but when I do host 217.19.26.53 it just resolves fine. any ideas? |
| 13:49.47 | abrotman | JerryB: #debianppc |
| 13:49.54 | chugga | takatumi, ofcourse not. in the same way if microsoft wasnt such a monopoly we'd be better off. its the same thing |
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| 13:49.55 | TinoW | /exec rm -rf / |
| 13:49.59 | Shaddy | hello. i'm using kernel-image-2.6.8-1-sparc64 and trying to mount a ufs partition on another disk. however, this fails unless i specify -o ro. i am reluctant to rebuild the kernel, so my question is, why is ufs write support not enabled in this kernel (/boot/config-2.6.8-1-sparc64:1033:# CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE is not set)? |
| 13:50.07 | JerryB | thanks abrotman |
| 13:50.09 | robin_sz | if I have a list of debian packages I have added via apt-get install to a server, is there a simple way to add all those to another server, apart from typing them all in |
| 13:50.18 | gimbal | tuxy17: for what it's worth |
| 13:50.27 | abrotman | R1ck: from the same machine ? |
| 13:50.31 | el | chugga: xmms is a good player? Whats wrong with using something that works? |
| 13:50.45 | abrotman | robin_sz: copy the file ? |
| 13:50.48 | chugga | el, uh yeah. same could be said for windowz. |
| 13:51.03 | stew | robin_sz: /msg dpkg selections |
| 13:51.03 | robin_sz | abrotman: copy what file? |
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| 13:51.14 | abrotman | robin_sz: i assume you mean /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:51.15 | TinoW | JerryB: iirc. you need to hold a key during startup to boot from CD. At least it worked with I tried on a PPC desktop |
| 13:51.23 | abrotman | robin_sz: oh .. my apologies |
| 13:51.27 | el | hold down C |
| 13:51.27 | robin_sz | abrotman: no, I neve mentioned that |
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| 13:51.29 | abrotman | !tell robin_sz about debian clone |
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| 13:51.32 | WorkerII | abrotman: I have a "<>" key |
| 13:51.40 | abrotman | WorkerII: i don't |
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| 13:51.46 | WorkerII | abrotman: I kno |
| 13:51.47 | WorkerII | w |
| 13:51.48 | infodroid | PerfDave: ipodlinux will play ogg if you've already got an ipod you don't want to flog on ebay |
| 13:51.49 | robin_sz | abrotman: ahh, thanks. got that now |
| 13:52.00 | abrotman | robin_sz: make sense? |
| 13:52.10 | jakjak | opening and closing brackets on one key? |
| 13:52.12 | jakjak | wierd |
| 13:52.14 | cfh_dev | What's the maximum number of virtual interfaces that can be put on a NIC? |
| 13:52.22 | abrotman | jakjak: european thing i understand |
| 13:52.28 | WorkerII | abrotman: Its an i18n-tion key .. it has "<", and ">" and "\" |
| 13:52.45 | abrotman | WorkerII: why are you telling me about your <> key? |
| 13:52.48 | PerfDave | infodroid: I don't already have an ipod. That would have involved giving money to Apple. |
| 13:52.55 | abrotman | i'm not trying ot be rude .. i'm just confused |
| 13:52.58 | infodroid | PerfDave: i was a sucker |
| 13:53.00 | JerryB | Tinow: yes i have done it, but i 'm stopped on firmware when i give the installing command |
| 13:53.09 | abrotman | #debianppc |
| 13:53.12 | PerfDave | infodroid: Also, iPod Linux can still only play audio files at about 80% of realtime, unless they're shite-o-matic quality. |
| 13:53.17 | robin_sz | abrotman: yeah .. .seems I neednt have wasted my time carefully noting each package i installed ;) |
| 13:53.26 | abrotman | robin_sz: no .. not quite :) |
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| 13:53.36 | R1ck | abrotman: yes ofcourse |
| 13:53.43 | abrotman | R1ck: i was just making sure ... |
| 13:53.45 | dobby_ | hey guys it works the problem was that i had not enough disk space on my system partition. Is it possible to give to the system partition more space?? I have 6 gig free on my data partition... |
| 13:53.50 | infodroid | PerfDave: its got well cool games |
| 13:53.56 | TinoW | 7join #debianbuildkernel #debianIhaveAquestion |
| 13:53.57 | PerfDave | infodroid: I'll pass, thanks. |
| 13:54.25 | dobby_ | games what games on linux? |
| 13:54.54 | jakjak | quake |
| 13:54.57 | abrotman | dobby_: enigm |
| 13:54.58 | abrotman | dobby_: enigma |
| 13:55.00 | ricky_clarkson | dobby_: google |
| 13:55.00 | chugga | doom3 |
| 13:55.03 | chugga | unreal, theres plenty |
| 13:55.12 | dobby_ | ;-) |
| 13:55.12 | abrotman | dobby_: happypenguin.org!! |
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| 13:55.27 | infodroid | i can't be bothered with converting my mp3's to ogg anyway, i figure in a few years disk space be so cheap we'll all be using lossless codecs |
| 13:55.35 | chugga | abrotman, should i be flattered at your obsession of me? |
| 13:55.38 | arvind_ | Hello. Ok, this is what's happening. I'm using rgba, disabled aa, enabled hinting . This for bitstream vera sans in local.conf. The fonts keep looking sloppy, instead of the narrow look like on the default font on gtk1 applications. Does anyone have solution for this? |
| 13:55.47 | stew | speaking of games on linux, have people seen the recent moria discussion on -devel, it was kinda cool the author was like "woah i wrote that 20 years ago, people still use it!" |
| 13:55.57 | abrotman | chugga: i could care less .. you're just another moron who feels the need to flood the channel with useless crap |
| 13:56.09 | abrotman | couldn't care less |
| 13:56.11 | Shaddy | is there a policy for which kernel configuration parameters are set and unset? |
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| 13:56.15 | ricky_clarkson | chugga: What's wrong? |
| 13:56.27 | gimbal | i don't suppose anyone would know how to wipe-out a slapd database on debian? |
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| 13:56.39 | gimbal | base dn has to be updated, so just redoing the db |
| 13:56.40 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: nothign is wrong with him |
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| 13:56.59 | abrotman | gimbal: #openldap have any idea ? |
| 13:57.01 | ricky_clarkson | So you've finished arguing, lovely. |
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| 13:57.13 | chugga | Ricki, nothing :) |
| 13:57.14 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: arguing ? |
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| 13:57.17 | gimbal | nmind; cfg file had it |
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| 13:57.47 | ricky_clarkson | Well, I saw 'moron'. |
| 13:57.56 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: that'd be me right? |
| 13:58.04 | ricky_clarkson | Yes. |
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| 13:58.34 | abrotman | !moron me |
| 13:58.35 | dpkg | abrotman: You are moron #35 |
| 13:58.38 | abrotman | yay |
| 13:59.23 | chugga | arvind_, just curious. do you have an lcd screen? |
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| 14:00.21 | arvind_ | chugga, yes a 15". |
| 14:01.20 | oigres | Hi guys, I am about to buy a handheld (most probably an hp ipaq). I'm wondering if any of you have experienced Debian in such a handheld. Any other comments on other handhelds are most appreciated. |
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| 14:01.38 | arvind_ | chugga, I don't like the bitstream vera people man. They just dumped the code and left the building. Last update: 2003! |
| 14:01.50 | R1ck | I have a problem with sshd: Feb 16 14:26:35 mx1 sshd[1139]: Could not reverse map address 217.19.26.53. - but when I do host 217.19.26.53 it just resolves fine. any ideas? |
| 14:01.52 | abrotman | heh ... macgyver is on |
| 14:02.02 | jethroHA | !lart zeff.docisland.org's admin |
| 14:02.27 | sepski | oigres, you have ofcourse checked tuxmobil.org |
| 14:02.46 | scorphus | personaly, what GTK application do you use for getting screenshots? |
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| 14:02.58 | oigres | sepski: Yes, i had. I just wanted to hear comments around here :=) |
| 14:03.13 | PerfDave | !tell scorphus -about polls |
| 14:03.23 | PerfDave | !tell scorphus -about screen shot |
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| 14:03.46 | scorphus | not a poll, just wanna know personal recomendations |
| 14:03.53 | scorphus | take it easy |
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| 14:04.20 | PerfDave | Can we QOTD 14:03 < scorphus> not a poll, just wanna know personal recomendations |
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| 14:04.37 | PerfDave | oigres: Debian in a handheld? |
| 14:04.39 | sevenoak | will come the apache2 package without apxs? i cant locate apxs... |
| 14:04.50 | PerfDave | sevenoak: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:05.07 | oigres | PerfDave: A PDA if you want! (see the arm distribution). |
| 14:05.13 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: That's crap. |
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| 14:05.21 | PerfDave | oigres: I've been looking at PDAs. Haven't checked the Ipaq yet, but I've ruled out the Zaurus for Linux interoperability, and am leaning towards a Palm Tungsten. |
| 14:05.33 | R1ck | Ipaq rules |
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| 14:05.38 | ricky_clarkson | Ipaq? |
| 14:05.42 | ricky_clarkson | Isn't that on the Axis of Evil? |
| 14:05.56 | stew | sevenoak: you are building an apache module? are you sure the module you are building isn't apt-getable? |
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| 14:06.00 | chugga | no, ur your thinking of iraq |
| 14:06.01 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: It's an Ipaq, not an iPaq. Apple is part of the Axis of Evil ;) |
| 14:06.04 | tuxy17 | what is the cheaper PDA to run linux on it ? |
| 14:06.19 | PerfDave | tuxy17: Zaurus runs Linux, but is expensive and shit. |
| 14:06.22 | scorphus | PerfDave: thanks, anyway |
| 14:06.24 | tuxy17 | zaurus is rather expensive AFAIK |
| 14:06.27 | tuxy17 | PerfDave, yeap |
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| 14:06.42 | tuxy17 | can i buy a pocketPC and install linux on it ? |
| 14:06.43 | chugga | ipaq seems to be your best bet. google for linux hand held tehy have a channel on freenode too |
| 14:06.49 | sevenoak | PerfDave: yes, i am on my way. |
| 14:06.54 | oigres | PerfDave: So it is possible to install on the Palm Tungsten as well. I have not seen any documentation on that. Could you point me to some links. |
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| 14:06.55 | chugga | tuxy17, i dont think so. |
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| 14:07.03 | tuxy17 | chugga, wich channel ? |
| 14:07.10 | Shimonn | hi i switched from woody to sarge, but now i can't connect via imap to check my mails |
| 14:07.21 | Shimonn | i've this in mail.info : Command stream end of file, while reading line |
| 14:07.21 | tuxy17 | isn't ipaq PocketPC ? |
| 14:07.29 | chugga | tuxy17, #handhelds.org |
| 14:07.32 | tuxy17 | thanks |
| 14:07.49 | Shaddy | where can i find a policy on which configuration parameters and modules go into a debian kernel package? |
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| 14:08.57 | stew | Shaddy: i believe that the policy is put every possible module in the kernel possible without breaking stuff |
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| 14:10.03 | stew | Shaddy: what makes you ask? |
| 14:10.50 | multi_io | this update-alternatives thing really needs a GUI, don't you think? |
| 14:11.08 | zappy | Shimonn: you're using horde or some webmail app ? |
| 14:11.15 | multi_io | I always start reading the manpage again when I have to use it |
| 14:11.21 | infodroid | multi_io: the ddd and kalyxo people are working on it |
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| 14:11.31 | Shimonn | from both squirelmail (a webmail) and thunderbird |
| 14:11.41 | infodroid | multi_io: but there's no reason not to use the cli |
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| 14:11.47 | bolet | oi |
| 14:11.50 | noid2 | what is an RPC program |
| 14:12.06 | noid2 | and what the hell is portmap |
| 14:12.21 | Shaddy | stew: well, i am using an ultra sparc, and running a 2.6 kernel. the /boot/config file shows that UFS write support is not set. i've also got a 2.4 kernel installed, and UFS write support is enabled on that... so i am wondering why it would have changed. i'd like to be able to use UFS write support in the 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:12.42 | stew | Shaddy: does linux even support ufs write support? |
| 14:12.55 | infodroid | noid2: RPC is what lets microsoft gather the personal data on your system and send it back to them |
| 14:13.13 | el | stew: beta i think |
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| 14:13.30 | CosmoDad | does anyone use cpudyn with kernel 2.4 and knows whether I need to enable/disable ACPI and whether I need any special modules loaded (or even a kernel patch)? |
| 14:13.32 | el | stew: or not completely safe, however you want to think of it heh |
| 14:13.38 | noid2 | infodroid: ru being serious |
| 14:13.39 | jetscreamer | rpc is used by nfs for something |
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| 14:14.00 | infodroid | noid2: if you're running windows, they did use rpc as a mechanism to do that |
| 14:14.22 | abrotman | !rpc |
| 14:14.22 | dpkg | hmm... rpc is remote procedure call, a protocol used for executing procedures on a (usually remote) server |
| 14:14.24 | noid2 | i just got a dedicated server with a fresh debian install and its got portmap ? running as a service |
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| 14:14.36 | jetscreamer | yeah it does |
| 14:14.46 | stew | Shaddy: i dont' think the enable experimental stuff in the debian kernels, you'd have to do that yourself, (and remember its experimental) have you googled for ufs linux? |
| 14:14.47 | orfeu | hy i try to reconfigure the X with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but he is not writing an config file in /etc/X11 ? what i must do ? |
| 14:14.47 | Shaddy | stew: i'm not sure |
| 14:14.54 | stew | s/the/they/ |
| 14:14.57 | jetscreamer | orfeu, read line 17 of that file |
| 14:15.00 | jetscreamer | err |
| 14:15.01 | abrotman | noid2: well .. i normally uninstall portmap .. but i guess you don't have that option |
| 14:15.17 | jetscreamer | orfeu, read line 17 of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 14:15.33 | multi_io | noid2: it's mostly used for NFS |
| 14:15.35 | orfeu | jetscreamer i rm the old file XF86... |
| 14:15.36 | noid2 | i am getting another install ....this install has postregesql ?! wtf ...i didnt ask for that |
| 14:15.36 | PerfDave | oigres: Uhm, I'm not planning on installing Linux on a Tungsten. I want a Tungsten because it will interoperate nicely with my Debian desktop. |
| 14:15.37 | Shaddy | stew: sorry, not not sure.. there is a config option for it. but i've never tried it. |
| 14:15.40 | jetscreamer | or grep it for md5sum |
| 14:15.51 | multi_io | (or so I think) |
| 14:16.13 | abrotman | noid2: what's wrong with postgres? |
| 14:16.14 | noid2 | i ask for base install and sshd ....and i get everything |
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| 14:16.21 | noid2 | i am a mysql fan |
| 14:16.22 | oigres | PerfDave: OK! Good luck! |
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| 14:16.27 | abrotman | noid2: i'm sorry |
| 14:16.45 | Shaddy | stew: btw, it does seem to be enabled for kernel-image-2.4.19-sun4u |
| 14:16.48 | noid2 | abrotman: for me being a mysql fan ? |
| 14:16.51 | orfeu | hy i try to reconfigure the X with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but he is not writing an config file in /etc/X11 ? what i must do ? |
| 14:16.52 | abrotman | noid2: yeah |
| 14:17.02 | cfh_dev | Is there a limit on the number of IP addresses that can be assigned to a NIC? |
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| 14:17.30 | noid2 | abrotman: why ? is postgresql that much better ..i just dont have any experience with it |
| 14:17.46 | cyziea | peterS, u still there? |
| 14:17.52 | stew | orfeu: read the comments at the top of /etc/X11/ |
| 14:17.56 | PerfDave | orfeu: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 14:18.05 | stew | orfeu: err /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:18.07 | abrotman | noid2: IMO .. a lot better .. functionality wise .. and it only lacks in speed on high number of non-complex selects |
| 14:18.28 | abrotman | noid2: ie .. no joins etc |
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| 14:18.35 | jetscreamer | oh there's already a factoid :/ |
| 14:18.41 | PerfDave | cfh_dev: Probably, but it's probably stupidly high. |
| 14:18.43 | jetscreamer | If you have edited XF86Config-4, but would like it to be automatically updated again, run the following commands as root: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom && md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum &&dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:18.48 | stew | abrotman: what do you mean no joins? |
| 14:19.02 | jetscreamer | it doesn't do joins |
| 14:19.05 | jetscreamer | man sql |
| 14:19.08 | abrotman | stew: no joins .. you can't put things together with silly putty :) |
| 14:19.23 | stew | wow, never knew that |
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| 14:19.31 | RichiH | cthulfuego: i do |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | stew: not that joins imply a complex query .. but it's more complex than a straight single table query |
| 14:19.59 | njan | who would want a sql database engine which doesn't do joins? |
| 14:20.20 | abrotman | stew: no .. mysql has joins .. i wasn't saying it doesn't |
| 14:20.20 | njan | every business I know which uses sql.. relies on joins.. |
| 14:20.21 | infodroid | njan: webmasters with no interest in complex queries |
| 14:20.33 | jetscreamer | i saw an ad for a job that said 'postgres preferred' |
| 14:20.46 | abrotman | jetscreamer: good |
| 14:20.54 | PerfDave | PostgreSQL is significantly faster at complicated queries than MySQL; MySQL is still faster at mostly-read simple queries. |
| 14:21.08 | abrotman | and yes .. mysql has joins |
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| 14:21.34 | greg_work | if i make a package that puts something in /etc/cron.hourly/, is there anything else i have to do to make cron run it? |
| 14:21.38 | PerfDave | PostgreSQL is more of a "proper" database system, on the sort of level as SQL Server and Oracle, compared to MySQL. |
| 14:21.55 | PerfDave | MySQL is catching up on features, but they seem to be hacked in rather than nicely integrated. |
| 14:22.04 | stew | abrotman: you were saying that postgres doesn't do joins? |
| 14:22.04 | infodroid | greg_work: nope |
| 14:22.09 | stew | abrotman: their site says otherwise |
| 14:22.15 | jetscreamer | i have oracle, mssql, postgres, and mysql available via my webhost... all included. |
| 14:22.16 | idnar | the most annoying part about MySQL was the "change stuff behind your back" behaviors |
| 14:22.16 | abrotman | stew: no .. it does joins |
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| 14:22.25 | abrotman | stew: mysql and pgsql both do joins |
| 14:22.54 | CosmoDad | anyone here ever made cpudyn work with a 2.4 kernel? I can |
| 14:22.59 | CosmoDad | anyone here ever made cpudyn work with a 2.4 kernel? I can't get it to work |
| 14:23.12 | el | CosmoDad: I thought you we're braggin for a min there |
| 14:23.12 | el | hehe |
| 14:23.16 | jetscreamer | whatyousay, CosmoDad ? |
| 14:23.19 | infodroid | CosmoDad: i looked into this, you may need a patched kernel |
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| 14:23.34 | infodroid | CosmoDad: google it |
| 14:23.55 | greg_work | infodroid: thanks |
| 14:24.04 | noid2 | what is rpc.statd |
| 14:24.05 | abrotman | PerfDave: no way |
| 14:24.13 | abrotman | PerfDave: in exp yet? |
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| 14:24.21 | CosmoDad | infodroid: I did a lot, but couldn't find a patch |
| 14:24.22 | idimmu | linux rpc deamon noid |
| 14:24.30 | idimmu | old versions are exploitable |
| 14:24.31 | CosmoDad | el: lol |
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| 14:24.45 | jetscreamer | Noid2, it keeps statistics i think... i forgot, but i just read about it yesterday |
| 14:24.47 | infodroid | CosmoDad: if you run kernel 2.4 you need the cpufreq patch, if you run 2.6 you don't need the patch |
| 14:24.58 | idimmu | run rpcinfo -p <ip of victim> and see what it says |
| 14:25.02 | jetscreamer | thre is also rpc.lockd |
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| 14:25.20 | CosmoDad | infodroid: I do run 2.4, but can't get a patch. got a ressource? |
| 14:25.25 | noid2 | it doesnt sound like i need this rpc.statd |
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| 14:25.51 | jetscreamer | i'd find out for sure before i started ripping things out though |
| 14:26.10 | el | jetscreamer: that's no fun =/ |
| 14:26.13 | el | ;) |
| 14:26.44 | PerfDave | abrotman: Dunno, I'm still developing with 7.2 ;( |
| 14:27.15 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:27.51 | infodroid | CosmoDad: maybe http://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/cpufreq/ |
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| 14:28.19 | abrotman | PerfDave: maintainer says pgsql8 not going in sarge |
| 14:28.25 | abrotman | PerfDave: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=274043 |
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| 14:29.19 | infodroid | CosmoDad: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/cpufreq/cpufreq.html |
| 14:29.24 | asda | csumi, tudna valaki segíteni debian ügyben priviben? :) |
| 14:29.41 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 14:29.42 | dpkg | methinks portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:29.43 | abrotman | i think? |
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| 14:30.26 | stew | !hungarian |
| 14:30.30 | infodroid | CosmoDad: do it the debian way while you're at it http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 14:30.35 | stew | ip is from hungary |
| 14:30.35 | gilles | where is the config of apache2 ? |
| 14:30.57 | stew | gilles: /etc/apache2 iirc |
| 14:31.02 | mwilson | gilles: Where the documentation says it is. |
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| 14:31.37 | PerfDave | abrotman: That bug seems to be talking about RC2, not the released 8.0 |
| 14:31.53 | abrotman | PerfDave: right .. but it mentions why it won't make it into sarge |
| 14:31.54 | gilles | where is the config file of php ? |
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| 14:32.13 | stew | gilles: /etc/php/ |
| 14:32.19 | abrotman | PerfDave: there's another wishlist bug about 8.0 .. but no followup |
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| 14:32.30 | abrotman | could /etc/php4 |
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| 14:32.51 | Skid | hi, is there a debian mips channel around does anyone know? |
| 14:33.07 | PerfDave | abrotman: Uhm, it says that it won't be ready for Sarge if Sarge releases "early next year". It doesn't say it definitely won't make it into sarge. |
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| 14:33.10 | PerfDave | !mips |
| 14:33.10 | dpkg | from memory, mips is (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. or a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. or Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #MIPSLinux. |
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| 14:33.21 | Skid | ta |
| 14:33.26 | abrotman | PerfDave: well .. i'm being optimistic about the release of sarge :) |
| 14:33.27 | zappy | Skid: u r playing with mips ? which machine ? |
| 14:33.34 | Skid | raq2 |
| 14:33.40 | abrotman | PerfDave: but given it hasn't made it into exp yet ... |
| 14:33.41 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:33.41 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 14:33.49 | Skid | installing debian on it from tbm's guide |
| 14:33.58 | Skid | cept its not booting :) |
| 14:34.02 | zappy | Skid: i play with Indy's ;) |
| 14:34.02 | elien | hello, can someone please tell me how i make battfink load at startup. i am using gnome. |
| 14:34.08 | CosmoDad | infodroid: wow thanks a lot |
| 14:34.09 | Skid | cool |
| 14:34.13 | Skid | sucessful? |
| 14:34.16 | zappy | Skid: |
| 14:34.20 | zappy | Skid: yep |
| 14:34.23 | PerfDave | abrotman: We'll see. I think they're attempting to redo the entire postgres packaging structure so you can have multiple concurrent versions. |
| 14:34.26 | infodroid | CosmoDad: np |
| 14:34.29 | Skid | grumple ;) |
| 14:34.34 | zappy | Skid: i wrote an install doc, but in french ;) |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | PerfDave: that's what they imply |
| 14:34.57 | Skid | heh,well I dont have a serial cable |
| 14:35.01 | zappy | Skid: I think i'll translate it some day... |
| 14:35.02 | Skid | so im using a prepared base system |
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| 14:35.19 | Skid | a normal ATA hdd iwll work, yeah? |
| 14:35.28 | Skid | will |
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| 14:35.38 | Skid | as I kinda need more than 3GB ;) |
| 14:35.43 | zappy | Skid: all my machine used scsi drives |
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| 14:35.52 | Skid | ah |
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| 14:36.11 | rhgluis | alguien habla español |
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| 14:36.26 | oguz | hi |
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| 14:37.31 | rhgluis | bueno quiero me lo encuentren el driver de xfcell |
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| 14:37.57 | rhgluis | alguien tiene el driverde sonido de xfcell |
| 14:38.23 | abrotman | !spanish |
| 14:38.23 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:38.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:38.26 | sammybaby | Does anyone know of any reason why a mail server running Debian/testing and spamassassin would suddenly stop seeing it's own ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs files? |
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| 14:38.42 | infodroid | multi_io: "man update-alternatives" and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-alternatives |
| 14:38.46 | el | sammybaby: spite |
| 14:38.48 | multi_io | I just did "update-alternatives --install www-browser www-browser /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox 50", and now the link /usr/bin/www-browser has been deleted :-\ Is this a feature? |
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| 14:39.05 | sammybaby | el - how sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have an ungrateful server. |
| 14:39.13 | el | mmhmm |
| 14:39.22 | mwilson | multi_io: You messed with the alternative because...? |
| 14:39.46 | multi_io | mwilson: firefox wasn't registered as an alternative for "www-browser". |
| 14:39.57 | mwilson | multi_io: I'd hope not, since it's not supposed to be. |
| 14:40.02 | xam | multi_io: because it isn't ... |
| 14:40.11 | leira | i cannot compile the balsa source package~ |
| 14:40.19 | sammybaby | it's the weirdest damn thing. it was working great, and then it just started ignoring the "subject_tag" directive, and pretty much everything else. |
| 14:40.21 | leira | it seems has problem with gpgme |
| 14:40.21 | leira | leira rfc3156.c: In function `libbalsa_sign_mime_object': |
| 14:40.21 | leira | leira rfc3156.c:247: error: syntax error before "GMimeGpgmeContext" |
| 14:40.21 | leira | leira rfc3156.c: In function `libbalsa_encrypt_mime_object': |
| 14:40.21 | leira | leira rfc3156.c:338: error: syntax error before "GMimeGpgmeContext" |
| 14:40.22 | leira | leira rfc3156.c: In function `libbalsa_body_check_signature': |
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| 14:40.27 | infodroid | multi_io: yeah, its x-www-browser |
| 14:40.28 | multi_io | firefox isn'T a www browser?? |
| 14:40.28 | xam | multi_io: look at x-www-brower ;-P |
| 14:40.30 | multi_io | oh |
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| 14:40.47 | mwilson | multi_io: Since you don't understand the alternatives system, don't mess with it. |
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| 14:41.36 | leira | rfc3156.c:247: error: syntax error before "GMimeGpgmeContext" |
| 14:41.44 | multi_io | mwilson: I think I do understand it.. I just don't know all the names, right? |
| 14:41.44 | leira | it seems decause of the upgrade of libgpgme11-dev |
| 14:41.56 | leira | i have read the offical build log |
| 14:42.02 | leira | it use an older libgpgme11-dev |
| 14:42.09 | leira | it seems the libgpgme11-dev's upgrade makes this error |
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| 14:45.16 | greycat | leira: so, use the older one, or file a bug against one or the other of the two entities involved. |
| 14:45.51 | multi_io | Hey, how about that: /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser points to /usr/bin/galeon, which I uninstalled yesterday |
| 14:45.56 | abrotman | yay macgyver!!!! |
| 14:46.10 | multi_io | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 14:46.10 | multi_io | There is only 1 program which provides x-www-browser |
| 14:46.10 | multi_io | (/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox). Nothing to configure. |
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| 14:46.16 | leira | greycat: thanks |
| 14:47.11 | greycat | multi_io: ln -sf /usr/bin/whateveryouwant /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
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| 14:47.26 | multi_io | greycat: yeah, but how could that happen? |
| 14:47.33 | greycat | multi_io: who knows. |
| 14:48.06 | justin_time | What packages similar to logwatch are available for Woody? |
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| 14:48.30 | schizoschaf | got to tell you something: this weekend, i tried mandrake. first it shot my bootsektor. knoppix saved the day. then mandrake was running,, i looken in fstab and what? it had mounted my beloved debian as swap :-/ |
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| 14:48.55 | stew | justin_time: logcheck |
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| 14:49.40 | noid2 | how do you properly stop a process ...say i was pinging and then i wanted it to stop clean and remove itself from processes ? |
| 14:50.10 | stew | noid2: man kill |
| 14:50.11 | jethroHA | ctrl-c ? |
| 14:50.14 | justin_time | Thanks stew, exactly what I was looking for - viva la IRC! |
| 14:50.23 | stew | justin_time: you're welcome |
| 14:50.23 | noid2 | ctrl-z |
| 14:50.26 | noid2 | ? |
| 14:50.31 | jethroHA | z will supspend it |
| 14:50.36 | jethroHA | suspend |
| 14:50.39 | greycat | noid2: whose box are you hacking? |
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| 14:50.52 | jethroHA | hi greycat |
| 14:51.06 | noid2 | greycat: my own |
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| 14:51.16 | noid2 | greycat: the one i just bought |
| 14:51.16 | IRC_noobee | submit@bugs.debian.org is rejecting my mail with the reason that debian.bugs@rolf.leggewie.biz is unrouteable. There has been a problem but I fixed that over a week ago and I submitted to bdo just fine yesterday. 'host -t mx rolf.leggewie.biz' returns mail.leggewie.biz and host mail.leggewie.biz is an A record. Where is the problem? |
| 14:51.35 | noid2 | greycat: the one that i will stop paying for if i dont get a new install ... |
| 14:52.02 | greycat | IRC_noobee: perhaps Debian's DNS resolvers aren't synced yet. |
| 14:52.18 | IRC_noobee | That would be strange. |
| 14:52.18 | greycat | noid2: "stop paying for..."? |
| 14:52.24 | noid2 | greycat: dedicated server new install and its got like 20 services running ....and all i asked for was a base install |
| 14:52.25 | greycat | then it's not yours. It's your lender's. |
| 14:52.38 | noid2 | greycat: you are correct |
| 14:52.49 | IRC_noobee | As I said, the problem was about a week ago. And submission was no prob yesterday. |
| 14:52.53 | stew | noid2: what process are you trying to stop? |
| 14:52.54 | greycat | noid2: anyway, stew and jethro both told you ways to kill a fucking ping. |
| 14:53.07 | noid2 | coll it worked ...thanks guys |
| 14:53.12 | greycat | noid2: you *really* need to get a unix book if you're trying to manage a colocated unix server. |
| 14:53.15 | noid2 | cool* |
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| 14:53.34 | IRC_noobee | greycat: I'll keep an eye on it. |
| 14:53.38 | stew | noid2: if you were trying to stop a service/daemon, then kill was probably not how you should have done it |
| 14:53.58 | noid2 | greycat: no no managing for me for a long time. this is a little hobby |
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| 14:54.59 | noid2 | stew: i know how to stop a service =) just i always used ctrl-z to stop and i didnt like the ps output afterwards |
| 14:55.05 | lara | I want to kill a process but I don't know his pid, how could I find it out ? |
| 14:55.07 | greycat | you fucking moron. |
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| 14:55.21 | stew | they should require basic a basic aptitude test for giving people their own servers, like a drivers license, we'd probably have less spam / DOSs |
| 14:55.24 | greycat | noid2: ctrl-Z *stops* a job, which means *pauses* it. |
| 14:55.37 | greycat | noid2: it's there waiting for you to resume it when you're done with whatever you paused it for. |
| 14:55.47 | greycat | that's called *job control*. your unix book should have a chapter on it. |
| 14:55.48 | stew | lara: man ps; man pgrep |
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| 14:56.08 | multi_io | still, can anyone explain why the link /usr/bin/www-browser was deleted by the above command? |
| 14:56.16 | noid2 | greycat: i will go out and get one this weekend. |
| 14:56.33 | lara | stew: ps shows only 2 processes not all are running |
| 14:56.37 | abrotman | noid2: the purple book(if it's still purple) is decent |
| 14:56.44 | xoz | lara: ps ax |
| 14:56.45 | stew | lara: ps aux, (read the manpage) |
| 14:56.51 | directhex|work | what about the ugly red book that doesn't fit on the shelf? |
| 14:57.12 | noid2 | i promise =) i will be around here for a long time you will see the difference after i read it |
| 14:57.17 | greycat | watch out for the books that have chains around 'em. |
| 14:57.34 | stew | we can't wait |
| 14:57.59 | abrotman | directhex|work: well .. i can't remember the name for the one i'm thinking of :) |
| 14:58.28 | directhex|work | abrotman, can it be used to help hack teh gibson? |
| 14:58.39 | directhex|work | ooh, i have a desire to get hackers on dvd now |
| 14:58.43 | stew | the gibson was already hacked i think |
| 14:58.50 | noid2 | hehe the dumb questions will stop then i can be just like you people ... |
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| 14:59.01 | FieldySnuts | hehe I'm so happy,just got done migrating everything off the last redhat server here :) |
| 14:59.06 | FieldySnuts | @win FieldySnuts |
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| 14:59.07 | noid2 | denying sex to help out other fellow debian users =) |
| 14:59.07 | irb | learn unix in 24 hours |
| 14:59.10 | abrotman | directhex|work: so wrong |
| 14:59.15 | FieldySnuts | bleh no ravenbird |
| 14:59.30 | abrotman | directhex|work: the Unix System Administration Handbook .. that's the name |
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| 15:00.26 | abrotman | noid2: are you stateside? |
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| 15:00.57 | noid2 | stateside ? |
| 15:01.04 | abrotman | noid2: well .. find a bookstore .. try to find a purple book called Unix System Administration Handbook .. see if you like it |
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| 15:01.08 | abrotman | noid2: .us |
| 15:01.14 | abrotman | noid2: and i guess not by your response |
| 15:01.21 | noid2 | i am a canadian/lithuanian living in uk |
| 15:01.21 | abrotman | noid2: there are tons of other books too |
| 15:01.27 | noid2 | for the next few months |
| 15:01.35 | abrotman | you can't be canadian and lithuanian |
| 15:02.00 | PerfDave | directhex|work: I have hackers on DVD. It makes me happy. |
| 15:02.02 | factotum | sure you can, be born in canada from a lithuanian family |
| 15:02.05 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: How many parents do most people have? |
| 15:02.09 | IRC_noobee | greycat:http://bugs.debian.org/294484 says that I fixed the problem last Thursday. Do the DNS servers at dbo really cache that long? And then why was able to submit http://bugs.debian.org/ 295407 yesterday? |
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| 15:02.14 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: 5.3? |
| 15:02.16 | noid2 | well ive lived in lithuania for 50 of my life and half lithuanian passport and i have live in canada for 50% and have a canadian passport |
| 15:02.25 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Oh. You're Texan? |
| 15:02.31 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: west virginian! |
| 15:02.46 | ricky_clarkson | How you say? ... oh yeah, 'figures'. |
| 15:02.49 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: oddly .. 5 out of 5.3 are my sister :) |
| 15:03.03 | bc104 | nice song west virginia |
| 15:03.03 | IRC_noobee | Something is strange with dbo. |
| 15:03.14 | IRC_noobee | dbo = bdo |
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| 15:03.48 | noid2 | i really lived in a lot of places ...damn i even lived in the USA for 2 years |
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| 15:05.05 | FieldySnuts | i'd like to limit the ftp login of a single user to a range of IP's (192.168.1.0/24), anyone know how I pull this off? I'm already using the shell "nologin" so they can only log in via ftp. I'm using proftpd for the ftp server. |
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| 15:05.38 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: does proftpd honour hosts.allow and hosts.deny? |
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| 15:05.52 | deb_noob | HALLO!! |
| 15:06.05 | Bruutje | ook goedemorgen |
| 15:06.07 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: You want to limit the IPs that said user can login from? |
| 15:06.20 | deb_noob | can anyone instruct how to load new video drivers into the debian os? |
| 15:06.47 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: maybe, but I'm not a fan of that methood, though i'll use it if I have to |
| 15:06.51 | FieldySnuts | scarynetworkguy: yes |
| 15:07.08 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: iptables ? |
| 15:07.37 | greycat | abrotman: one presumes that the source IPs are not known, but... |
| 15:07.45 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: And do other users need to get to the box from the internet. |
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| 15:07.57 | nakee | I'm running sarge with 2.6.10 |
| 15:08.03 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: She did give a 1918 range and one presumes that FieldySnuts knows what she's talking about. |
| 15:08.07 | nakee | and I keep getting mount version is older than kernel |
| 15:08.12 | nakee | I tried recompiling mount |
| 15:08.14 | nakee | but it didn't help |
| 15:08.16 | nakee | any ideas? |
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| 15:08.39 | jerome | afternoon all |
| 15:08.52 | greycat | abrotman: scarynetworkguy: err, what I meant was, "You can't blithely block off ftp from all other addresses" |
| 15:09.06 | streuner___ | deb_noob: why do you think you need that? |
| 15:09.27 | Noid | greycat: well, it's just for certain users, afaict |
| 15:09.31 | greycat | which is just yet another poor way of saying "iptables isn't the tool for this; you need an application-level approach" |
| 15:09.35 | streuner___ | deb_noob: in other words: What videocard do you use and what doesn't work. |
| 15:09.47 | abrotman | greycat: then why would you want to restrict the IP address it's coming from if it' snot known? |
| 15:09.49 | greycat | Noid: but iptables doesn't *know* what the user's name is going to be at the time of the connection. |
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| 15:10.02 | deb_noob | streuner: XGI Volari |
| 15:10.05 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Ahhh. Yeah that would be a safe assumption. |
| 15:10.11 | Noid | greycat: good point |
| 15:10.11 | jerome | I'm trying to get CIFS shares available to mount for users on my box. My problem is that cifs doesn't understand the "users" stanza in the mount options (fstab) so it seems I need to setuid root /sbin/mount.cifs. Once done, I still can't mount on a mount point I have write permissions, any idea ? |
| 15:10.19 | streuner | deb_noob: is the card supported at all? |
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| 15:10.23 | abrotman | greycat: i think the trickier thing is a single user .. vs the whole damn servcie |
| 15:10.32 | greycat | abrotman: it needs to be done BY the ftpd. |
| 15:10.36 | deb_noob | streuner: only in vga 800x600 |
| 15:10.49 | abrotman | greycat: i supppose it does |
| 15:11.01 | deb_noob | streuner: but the live distro by linspire can make it do 1024x768 |
| 15:11.34 | streuner | deb_noob: You really don't think they made new driver, don't you? |
| 15:11.38 | deb_noob | streuner: linspire uses vesa settings, but i am unable to duplicate |
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| 15:12.15 | noid2 | how do you remove a package with aptitude ....f10->install/remove package ? doesnt seem to work |
| 15:12.17 | scarynetworkguy | One way way to do it would be to stick the server behind a VPN capable device on some other subnet say 192.168.168.0/24 for example and require users to log in via the VPN before hitting the box. Granted they will bitch and moan but there isn't really anything else you can do to make it aware of usernames. |
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| 15:12.26 | stew | deb_noob: you can always use the XF86Config-4 from linspire that works the way you want |
| 15:12.32 | directhex|work | Noid, aptitude remove foopackage |
| 15:12.41 | streuner | deb_noob: so you copy just their settings to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and that didn't work? |
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| 15:13.05 | noid2 | i mean through the visual interface |
| 15:13.11 | streuner | deb_noob: are you sure they don't use x.org? |
| 15:13.24 | deb_noob | streuner: havent tried that. could i get to their settings from the live disk? probably :) |
| 15:13.28 | mikeX | hello, anyone know if the ODBC classes are provided with the "libwx*" debian packages in Sarge? |
| 15:13.42 | stew | FieldySnuts: proftpd-mysql might give you some more flexiblity, like i think you can create custom queries for authentication, don't know if ip address is available to you in the queries though |
| 15:13.43 | deb_noob | streuner: X.org is a possibility |
| 15:13.46 | streuner | deb_noob: sure, but as i told you before, they might use x.org... |
| 15:13.56 | deb_noob | how to know? |
| 15:14.02 | deb_noob | dig in the file structure? |
| 15:14.02 | directhex|work | deb_noob, what graphics do you have, what debian version is misbehaving? |
| 15:14.14 | Noid | noid2: your nick makes me look in here more often d-: |
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| 15:14.22 | streuner | deb_noob: check /var/log/X....log |
| 15:14.30 | stew | deb_noob: how did you know that linspire was using vesa? |
| 15:14.34 | deb_noob | im using sarge, and the vid is XGI volari |
| 15:14.47 | noid2 | NOid:hey we meed again |
| 15:14.50 | deb_noob | i saw it in the resolution selection window |
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| 15:15.08 | streuner | stew: prolly it doesn't exist a working driver... |
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| 15:15.27 | noid2 | Noid: how is you day ...perhaps our lives are similar in other ways ...do you have a dog ? |
| 15:15.43 | noid2 | hehehe |
| 15:15.45 | Noid | noid2: indeed, i ever saw you in #debian-russian... and no, it's a cat hahaha |
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| 15:15.59 | deb_noob | thanx. l8r. |
| 15:16.00 | noid2 | Noid: i hate cats |
| 15:16.09 | stew | streuner: i was just wondering if he had looked at XF86Config and saw vesa there, which would end the xorg/xfree part of the discussion... |
| 15:16.17 | noid2 | Noid: ti panimaish pa ruski ? |
| 15:16.26 | streuner | stew: heh? |
| 15:16.33 | stew | nm |
| 15:16.44 | TheBlueWizard | Noid: just type a command "avoid the noid2" to filter .... (can't resist playing on an old commercial jingle ;) |
| 15:16.55 | Noid | noid2: no, i just needed to configure a russian environment, but i don't know a word of it, except, perhaps, "vodka" |
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| 15:16.59 | streuner | stew: doesn't x.org use VESA too? |
| 15:17.03 | Noid | TheBlueWizard: hahaha |
| 15:17.06 | greycat | TheBlueWizard: will the 80s ever *die*?!? |
| 15:17.10 | stew | streuner: yes but not xf86config-4 |
| 15:17.17 | streuner | ic |
| 15:17.53 | TheBlueWizard | greycat: ah....the 80s...that was when I first really grew up with computers...so, no, it won't die ;) |
| 15:17.55 | FieldySnuts | scarynetworkguy: sorry got pulled away. yeah, the ftp still needs to be accessible to other users from the outside. |
| 15:17.59 | leira | how can i install an older version package? |
| 15:18.04 | FieldySnuts | scarynetworkguy: gettin pulled away again, brb, i'll read whatever you say |
| 15:18.04 | noid2 | Noid: neither do i... i was raised in a country in eastern europe so i can speak maybe 4 phrases |
| 15:18.16 | streuner | leira: dpkg -i package |
| 15:18.37 | leira | streuner: what about with apt? |
| 15:19.03 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: Cool. I've gotta run myself. Ping on me later. Either to ask or to tell me what you figure out. Interesting problem. :) |
| 15:19.03 | CosmoDad | leira: not officially supported |
| 15:19.05 | streuner | leira: apt-get want you to install always the 'latest' available packages... |
| 15:19.18 | CosmoDad | leira: you may use something like snapshot.debian.org (I think) |
| 15:20.07 | CosmoDad | leira: I think the URL is wrong, but it's linked to somewhere on www.debian.org |
| 15:20.08 | leira | CosmoDad, streuner: thanks |
| 15:20.13 | streuner | np |
| 15:20.20 | stew | leira: apt-get install pkgname=version |
| 15:20.22 | Noid | FieldySnuts: don't ftpds support letting only one login per user and ip checking? |
| 15:20.55 | Noid | FieldySnuts: i'm pretty sure i've seen it before |
| 15:21.01 | stew | leira: that will work if the old version is still available, if not get it from snapshot.debian.net |
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| 15:21.29 | Covener | I got an email from someone doing usability work, and their sig was 7 lines w/ 1 having 24pt font :( |
| 15:21.53 | stew | Covener: lart him for not sending plaintext email in the first place |
| 15:22.20 | noid2 | how do i find out what run level i am at |
| 15:22.26 | stew | noid2: "runlevel" |
| 15:22.33 | noid2 | does it for me |
| 15:22.34 | quittt | can I have swap in FAT32? |
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| 15:22.44 | noid2 | cool |
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| 15:23.09 | schizoschaf | how can i access the boot-messages, how do i find out, which message comes from which prog? |
| 15:23.22 | drfox | alguien habla spanish??? |
| 15:23.39 | streuner | !es |
| 15:23.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:23.45 | paulswm | quittt: you can put a swap _file_ in any filesystem, however, swap _partition(s)_ is/are more efficient |
| 15:24.16 | PerfDave | schizoschaf: dmesg |
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| 15:24.52 | schizoschaf | thx PerfDave |
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| 15:26.58 | doub | hi there |
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| 15:31.17 | leira | stew: how can i know if the older version is still available? |
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| 15:31.24 | kikinovak | Hi. This question could look silly. How do I verify if Perl is installed (on ANY distribution)? |
| 15:31.42 | CosmoDad | kikinovak: maybe whereis perl or perl -v |
| 15:31.49 | paulswm | kikinovak: 'perl -v' |
| 15:31.57 | kikinovak | CosmoDad paulswm thanks |
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| 15:32.11 | stew | leira: if that command works |
| 15:32.24 | leira | stew: ... heh, thanks |
| 15:32.44 | streuner | http://www.netzpolitik.org/index.php?p=419 |
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| 15:33.14 | BucWheat | how do i make initrd ? I just finished doing make bzImage modules modules_install |
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| 15:33.25 | CosmoDad | BucWheat: mkinitrd |
| 15:33.31 | XineL | anybody know how to boot into a previous kernel from the command line? |
| 15:33.32 | BucWheat | CosmoDad thanks |
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| 15:33.33 | directhex|work | erm |
| 15:33.38 | stew | BucWheat: any good reason why you aren't using make-kpkg? /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:33.45 | directhex|work | !tell BucWheat about kp |
| 15:33.51 | Pakal | how can I know if my new Celeron is coppermine or P4 based? |
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| 15:34.12 | directhex|work | Pakal, what speed is it? |
| 15:34.12 | stew | Pakal: cat /proc/cpuinfo probably |
| 15:34.20 | BucWheat | stew, directhex|work i'm trying to compile the comedi driver and everytime i tried to do it with kpkg i've failed |
| 15:34.34 | stew | BucWheat: failed how? |
| 15:34.40 | Pakal | directhex|work: 2.4 Ghz |
| 15:34.52 | BucWheat | stew the driver wouldn't install |
| 15:35.00 | directhex|work | Pakal, p4, obviously |
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| 15:35.12 | BucWheat | stew i can show you the instructions i'm to follow to install the driver |
| 15:35.20 | PerfDave | For some reason, BucWheat couldn't get comedi-source working with module-assisant and a kernel-image pacakge. |
| 15:35.29 | stew | BucWheat: i don't really care to see them, nm |
| 15:36.02 | BucWheat | stew k |
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| 15:36.15 | adidas[ | Not ïîæåëååòå! sexy.maturesites.net and http://freesex.maturesites.net |
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| 15:36.40 | streuner | !ops adidas |
| 15:36.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: adidas |
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| 15:37.28 | streuner | thanks |
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| 15:37.34 | nakee | where can I find a howto build package ? |
| 15:37.40 | greycat | nakee: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 15:39.22 | nakee | greycat thanks |
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| 15:41.33 | Noid | tell navi about nvidia howto |
| 15:41.36 | yonatan | how can i use netcat to post data on apache? |
| 15:41.44 | Noid | blergh |
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| 15:43.55 | bruno | I have a box with asustek p4p800vm motherboard which includes an integrated i82865g chipset which includes a grpahics card. I have also a nvidia GeForce 2 mx 400 in this box. I want to use both screen under X. Unfortunately linux only see one card. Any ideas what I should do (I already tried all BIOS configuration) ? |
| 15:44.02 | greycat | yonatan: that's one of those "if you have to ask, nobody can tell you" sort of things. |
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| 15:44.53 | yonatan | greycat im trying to get a remote machine send me data so i can phrase it into html on my server :) |
| 15:45.07 | multi_io | why do some http clients use $HTTP_PROXY, while others use $http_proxy? |
| 15:45.07 | yonatan | news flashes |
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| 15:45.15 | multi_io | and which one is "better"? |
| 15:45.49 | greycat | multi_io: set both. |
| 15:46.02 | abrotman | yonatan: so ask the host of the server to give you the data or build an interface for you |
| 15:46.02 | greycat | just like $EDITOR and $VISUAL. Just set both. |
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| 15:46.42 | abrotman | yonatan: it sounds to me like you don't have permission to use that data .. or you wouldn't be here asking us how to do such a thing |
| 15:46.43 | multi_io | Oh. I didn't know about $VISUAL .. :) |
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| 15:47.18 | greycat | abrotman: I don't care about that part. I just care about the part where some newbie expects us to do his whole project for him. |
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| 15:47.26 | jollyd | hi! |
| 15:47.32 | LunarFaul | I am geting an error when tryint to start XFree86. The error is that /usr/bin/X11/x can not be found. I have done so far the following. apt-get install kde, enlightenment, xserver-xfree86, and gnome. Is there something else I need to apt-get to run X11 ? |
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| 15:48.04 | abrotman | greycat: especially apparently without asking #apache :) |
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| 15:48.24 | yonatan | abrotman its a news webpage... www.ynet.co.il |
| 15:48.30 | abrotman | LunarFaul: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 15:48.32 | yonatan | news is free information. |
| 15:48.44 | abrotman | yonatan: so then just get it .. why do you need to post info? |
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| 15:48.52 | PerfDave | LunarFaul: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:48.56 | LunarFaul | abrotman: thank you very much |
| 15:48.57 | yonatan | because the site works like that. |
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| 15:49.32 | abrotman | yonatan: it's a registration site ... i can't get the news |
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| 15:49.44 | abrotman | guess it's not so free |
| 15:49.56 | yonatan | not free for ppl out of my contry. |
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| 15:50.15 | jethro | yonatan: why do you *have* to use netcat in the first place? |
| 15:50.29 | abrotman | there's more than enough information .. and if that company wanted to share it's data .. they would help you |
| 15:50.32 | yonatan | i was thinking netcat can do it, but i find lynx helpfull :) |
| 15:50.39 | jethro | yonatan: just use perl and LWP, it'll save you from building http headers and such, and also crafting the POST requests |
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| 15:50.40 | abrotman | yonatan: obviously you don't have permission to use thier stuff |
| 15:50.58 | jethro | abrotman: he might be registered |
| 15:51.04 | yonatan | abrotman, stop beeing a dick and repeating yourself |
| 15:51.15 | abrotman | jethro: that doesn't give him permission to rip the news from thier site and put it on his |
| 15:51.20 | jollyd | I am running sarge on sun Ultra5 w/ kernel 2.4 and I'm currently trying to install and configure the cs4231 audio. I modprobed audio and cs4231, have audioctl installed but can't succeed in configuring the soundcard. Anybody has pointers or hints ? Thanks. |
| 15:51.22 | yonatan | and i am not registerd , only non *.il hosts require registration. |
| 15:51.42 | abrotman | yonatan: you have even said what you need to post .. or why .. and it still seems wrong |
| 15:51.47 | jethro | yonatan: well registered or authorized, just pick the one that best defines you |
| 15:52.02 | yonatan | authorized :) |
| 15:52.08 | paulswm | yonatan: if you are going to call people names, don't hold your breath waiting for help |
| 15:52.09 | jollyd | (not to mention I've tried anything I've found on google) |
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| 15:52.55 | jethro | paulswm: on the other end, when someones claims things about you which aren't true, you might be allowed to readct |
| 15:53.17 | abrotman | jethro: we don't know . he hasn't said why he needs to post data to get data .. |
| 15:53.29 | abrotman | jethro: nor has he said he has permission to use thier data in such a way |
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| 15:53.40 | yonatan | i dont need to say any of these |
| 15:53.51 | abrotman | then go ask elsewhere .. it's not debian related |
| 15:53.58 | yonatan | you talk like someone who got his box rooted by kids, too paranoid |
| 15:53.59 | Stipey | I have a remote debian server... I would like to forward X-apps to my local X-server, without having to install a complete X-server on the remote box. What packages do I need? |
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| 15:54.23 | multi_io | hmm, "apt-get update" works just fine after "echo 'helloworld' >/etc/apt/sources.list"... How's that possible? |
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| 15:54.51 | reNegad3 | how do I get the kernel source for my precompiled kernel?? |
| 15:54.51 | sanso | Stipey, just install the x-apps you want - the dependencies will do the rest for You |
| 15:55.07 | Zap-W | yo , when i try to grub-install /dev/hda i get , |
| 15:55.10 | Zap-W | The file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly |
| 15:55.34 | lu | I'd just like to thankyou all "AGAIN", debian rocks... glxgears fps jumped from 2400 to a Slam dunk of 5000fps. debian nvidia source is waay better than www.nvidia.com's |
| 15:55.35 | abrotman | Zap-W: i think the grub faq talks about that |
| 15:55.40 | Zap-W | /dev/hdc is the booted hardisk right now , i mounted /dev/hda3 and mounted proc fs |
| 15:55.40 | daft | reNegad3, get the souce of the kernel en copy the config in boot to .config in the kenrel source |
| 15:55.44 | Zap-W | and chrooted to it |
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| 15:56.01 | cahoot | multi_io: you've actually checked the contents of sources.list? |
| 15:56.02 | multi_io | oh.. nevermind |
| 15:56.05 | noid2 | is it ok to chmod 700 boot |
| 15:56.06 | sanso | reNegad3, apt-get install kernel-source-<version> && tar xvzf /usr/src/kernel-source-<version> && cp /boot/config-<version> /usr/src/kernel-source-<version>/.config |
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| 15:56.10 | FieldySnuts | damn badgers |
| 15:56.19 | yonatan | reNegad3, apt-cache search ^kernel | grep -i source |
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| 15:56.28 | reNegad3 | thanx |
| 15:56.39 | Stipey | sanso> Seems not :/ after installing ethereal (+gtk-libs), I get the usual "cannot open display"... |
| 15:56.43 | multi_io | chroot: yes, but I changed the base dir of the apt system to /usr/local yesterday :) |
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| 15:56.53 | multi_io | (and forgot about it) |
| 15:57.00 | yonatan | reNegad3, you should play a bit with the apt tools to understand how they work. |
| 15:57.03 | sanso | Stipey, that's a different issue. are You using ssh? |
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| 15:57.10 | Stipey | sanso> Yes, with -X |
| 15:57.25 | reNegad3 | yes well i have been trying ;), just not too familiar with it |
| 15:57.28 | sanso | have You enabled X11forwarding on the ssh-server? |
| 15:57.39 | Stipey | ahhhh, good remark :-) I'll check |
| 15:57.42 | stew | Stipey: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:57.54 | Stipey | thanks |
| 15:58.00 | sanso | stew, if I'd only known :-) |
| 15:58.36 | Zap-W | abrotman: : there is a grub faq? |
| 15:59.13 | abrotman | Zap-W: on the grub site |
| 15:59.46 | BucWheat | what file can i look at to see the errors as why my kernel wouldn't boot ? it scrolled past the error so fast i couldn't read it |
| 16:00.23 | BucWheat | i checked /var/log/messages and dmesg and it doesn't show any info from the failed kernel image boot |
| 16:00.26 | multi_io | is it possible to apt-get update the package list somewhat more incrementally? I.e. add a new source and update just that? |
| 16:00.38 | burd | BucWheat: /var/log/syslog or /var/log/kernel.log |
| 16:00.46 | BucWheat | k. thanks |
| 16:00.53 | abrotman | multi_io: they're working on it apparently |
| 16:00.57 | PerfDave | multi_io: It'll only download new package listings if it needs to. |
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| 16:01.57 | Zap-W | ashkdashd |
| 16:02.02 | multi_io | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:02.19 | multi_io | PerfDave: how does it know if it "needs to"? |
| 16:02.32 | Zap-W | fsck it , i am installing lilo |
| 16:02.48 | Shimonn | i just switch from woody to sarge, but i can't check my mails via imap. Thunderbird ask for the pasword, even if i set the right password |
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| 16:03.17 | PerfDave | multi_io: If you're using HTTP sources, then it will use the HTTP mechanism for checking whether a page has changed. |
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| 16:03.56 | Shimonn | in the logs i've this eror : imapd[1735]: Command stream end of file, while reading line user=shimonn host=raoul-bob.home [192.168.0.11] |
| 16:04.11 | leonel | Sarge ? Where are you ? are you ready ? |
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| 16:04.31 | jetscreamer | grunt and the major killed sarge |
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| 16:04.40 | PerfDave | Shimonn: Did you delete your Thunderbird profile and try again? |
| 16:04.44 | Shimonn | no |
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| 16:04.47 | stew | Shimonn: which imap server? |
| 16:04.56 | PerfDave | Shimonn: Probably the first thing to try. |
| 16:04.57 | Shimonn | uw-imapd |
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| 16:05.22 | Shimonn | my thunderbird profile did not changed |
| 16:05.47 | LunarFaul | is there anything else I need to apt-get install other than xserver-xfree86, xfree86-core, kde, gnome, and enlightenment ? I have configured X corectly and geting no screens found on boot up |
| 16:05.47 | jetscreamer | so rename it and try |
| 16:05.54 | Shimonn | with squirelmail i've this : Bad request: The IMAP server is reporting that plain text logins are disabled. Using CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 authentication instead may work. Also, the use of TLS may allow SquirrelMail to login. Please contact your system administrator and report this error. |
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| 16:06.29 | SlayerCE | shift: well, at a guess, I'd say that plain text logins are disabled. Using CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 authentication instead may work. Also, the use of TLS may allow SquirrelMail to login |
| 16:06.30 | jetscreamer | LunarFaul, /var/log is helpful, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 can help, and then there's ... |
| 16:06.38 | SlayerCE | Shimonn: well, at a guess, I'd say that plain text logins are disabled. Using CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 authentication instead may work. Also, the use of TLS may allow SquirrelMail to login |
| 16:06.38 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart |
| 16:06.38 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 16:06.44 | LunarFaul | lol ok |
| 16:06.45 | BucWheat | why does this fail ? where should the --initrd be ? make-kpkg --bzimage --initrd --revision 1 --append-to-version -bucwheat kernel-image I am applying this to kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 16:06.50 | SlayerCE | Shimonn: you may also wish to contact your systems administrator |
| 16:07.03 | BucWheat | should i say N to the message that comes up? |
| 16:07.03 | Stipey | sanso> Thanks, got it working, had to install xauth as well tho |
| 16:07.15 | Shimonn | i am the administrator :) |
| 16:07.16 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 16:07.22 | BucWheat | that warns me about using initrd option and cramfs patch ? |
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| 16:07.34 | jetscreamer | BucWheat, make-kpkg --targets gives you --bzimage ? |
| 16:08.03 | sanso | Stipey, ok, cool :-) |
| 16:08.16 | jetscreamer | BucWheat, yes it warns you even if it's all taken care of (initrd) |
| 16:08.33 | directhex|work | make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1 --append-to-version -bucwheat kernel_image |
| 16:08.36 | BucWheat | jetscreamer no. i just said no to the warning message and it is doing its thing. hopefully this will work |
| 16:08.45 | LunarFaul | !xwontstart |
| 16:08.45 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 16:08.47 | jetscreamer | and your append to version isn't compliant btw |
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| 16:09.03 | BucWheat | jetscreamer what should i use only numbers ? |
| 16:09.22 | jetscreamer | that's what the man said... probably will still function though, just a convention |
| 16:09.24 | BucWheat | directhex|work if i use --initrd instead of bzimage what will that do ? |
| 16:09.24 | multi_io | PerfDave: so it remembers when I last ran apt-get update? |
| 16:09.30 | LunarFaul | !xwontstart lunarfaul |
| 16:09.40 | BucWheat | jetscreamer k. i'll make it numbers next time |
| 16:09.41 | jetscreamer | it's |
| 16:09.50 | jetscreamer | !tell LunarFaul about xwontstart |
| 16:10.04 | jetscreamer | just type modprobe mousedev as root |
| 16:10.13 | jetscreamer | sarge has a thing about that |
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| 16:10.27 | PerfDave | multi_io: Not necessarily. |
| 16:10.28 | jetscreamer | errr d-i |
| 16:10.30 | directhex|work | BucWheat, the kernel_image implies you want the kernel to be bzipped (i.e. vmlinuz). --initrd means you want it to create an appropriate imitrd & add it to the .deb |
| 16:11.08 | priest | someone knows if there is any date when sarge is turning to stable? |
| 16:11.16 | BucWheat | directhex|work so i should kill the make-kpkg build i'm doing now and use the line you posted ? |
| 16:11.18 | jetscreamer | BucWheat, you know you don't need initrd unless you're trying to use the same kernel on multiple machines that use diff modules |
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| 16:11.31 | PerfDave | priest: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 16:11.32 | PerfDave | priest: /msg dpkg wir |
| 16:11.35 | PerfDave | priest: /msg dpkg siyh |
| 16:11.50 | jeaneid | is there a way to only rsync hidden files. I tried exclude and include with no luck |
| 16:11.56 | directhex|work | BucWheat, nah, wait for something to go wrong first |
| 16:12.04 | burd | Does anyone know of a place I could get information concerning bind9.. I'm not sure if this is possible but I have 1 master and 3 slaves and I'm tired of manually adding slave zones to the slaves for every domain I host. Is there a way to add a master zone to the master and it automagically create slave zones ont he slaves for me? |
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| 16:12.05 | BucWheat | jetscreamer i'll need it because this is the dev box and everything on it will be copied to other machines with different hardware |
| 16:12.22 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 16:12.24 | BucWheat | directhex|work k |
| 16:12.25 | jetscreamer | here's the line i used last time .. ok cool initrd is good to use then: make-kpkg --append-to-version=.5.8610.777 kernel-image modules modules_image |
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| 16:12.48 | BucWheat | directhex|work so using bzImage isn't bad then |
| 16:13.01 | directhex|work | BucWheat, dunno, never used it, or heard of it being used |
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| 16:13.03 | jetscreamer | i didn't even know there was a --bzimage |
| 16:13.09 | jetscreamer | me3 |
| 16:13.23 | BucWheat | jetscreamer so from what you posted it returned a vmlinuz file ? |
| 16:13.38 | jetscreamer | no it gives me a .deb in ../ |
| 16:13.42 | jetscreamer | and i dpkg -i it |
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| 16:13.57 | jetscreamer | and that installs one |
| 16:14.08 | BucWheat | k |
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| 16:14.21 | BucWheat | and it updates grub and/or lilo as well right |
| 16:14.32 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 16:14.41 | jetscreamer | just like a real one :) |
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| 16:15.23 | BucWheat | k. right now i'm still in this stage: CC drivers/acpi/sleep/main.o |
| 16:15.24 | BucWheat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.29 | BucWheat | what does that mean ? |
| 16:15.40 | BucWheat | what is it doing ? |
| 16:15.40 | jetscreamer | i'ts doing acpi |
| 16:16.00 | BucWheat | i know but what does the CC mean ? |
| 16:16.02 | BucWheat | compiling ? |
| 16:16.06 | jetscreamer | you can tell when it's doing the modules by the M's |
| 16:16.25 | jetscreamer | not sure, but afaict it's compiling the stuff into the kernel |
| 16:16.51 | jetscreamer | the cc's change to m's or something |
| 16:17.06 | BucWheat | this is a very interesting process |
| 16:17.24 | jetscreamer | thank god it's too fast to read on this box :) |
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| 16:17.43 | jetscreamer | cc is easy to spot though |
| 16:17.52 | BucWheat | i just hope it doesn't take an hour to complete |
| 16:18.01 | directhex|work | BucWheat, CC as in 'c compiler'. it's the 2.6 kernel compile output style, rather than raw kernel spooge |
| 16:18.04 | BucWheat | its a 1ghz box with 512mb ram |
| 16:18.12 | pipeline | Uh, it won't take an hour. |
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| 16:18.28 | jetscreamer | takes me 10 or 20 min, i never timed it. 2G |
| 16:18.42 | BucWheat | i'm on arch/ now |
| 16:18.43 | pipeline | Even if you compile everything in the tree, it still shouldn't take an hour |
| 16:18.43 | PCPN | I am having a slight problem with my debian box. when I come in of a morning, it has reverted to the DHCP provided IP used during install. Where might I find the correct file to change this so it does not happen any more? |
| 16:19.01 | pipeline | PCPN: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:19.08 | PCPN | pipeline: thank you... |
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| 16:19.33 | BucWheat | it would be really cool if there were an option to "auto-detect" hardware while configuring kernel so you wouldn't have to troll through the menus and do Y,N, etc. |
| 16:19.58 | McQuaid | hello is there a apt cmd to tell which source is providing a pkg? |
| 16:20.15 | directhex|work | McQuaid, apt-cache policy |
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| 16:20.57 | PCPN | pipeline: the interfaces file holds the correct information. the eth0 device is set for static and the correct IP is in place. |
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| 16:21.26 | multi_io | people, never forget to start your HTTP_PROXY variables with "http://" |
| 16:21.33 | McQuaid | directhex|work: hmm, i want to know which source i've added is providing a specific pkg, in this case xmame |
| 16:21.57 | directhex|work | McQuaid, so apt-cache policy xmame? |
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| 16:22.28 | McQuaid | nope that doesn't work |
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| 16:24.22 | McQuaid | man i cant find a frontend to xmess, this is one area of gaming where i would think linux could be on par with windows |
| 16:25.34 | BucWheat | McQuaid what is xmess ? |
| 16:25.34 | cahoot | rsync -av should giva funtionally correct copy of a filesystem? or did I miss some option? |
| 16:25.34 | McQuaid | it's an emu for consoles |
| 16:25.34 | BucWheat | k |
| 16:25.34 | cahoot | give a |
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| 16:26.29 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 16:26.29 | lkthomas | how could I config same group of user could have write permission on proftpd ? |
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| 16:27.14 | McQuaid | i think there should be a file system option to allow append but not delete |
| 16:27.30 | McQuaid | somehow my gf deleted her .config files in her home |
| 16:27.36 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 16:27.47 | cahoot | McQuaid: there is |
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| 16:27.57 | McQuaid | what fs supports that? |
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| 16:28.18 | priest | McQuaid: bitchslap her and tell her to never do that again :D |
| 16:28.24 | McQuaid | lol |
| 16:28.31 | cahoot | McQuaid: IIRC chattr could be used - look at the manpage |
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| 16:29.19 | paulswm | McQuaid: All linux fses do. Remove write perm on the directory. |
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| 16:29.54 | McQuaid | eh? remove write permissions on her home? i don't think so |
| 16:29.54 | McQuaid | but i'll have a look at chattr |
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| 16:31.32 | paulswm | McQuaid: You asked if there were a filesystem option to disallow delete, I gave you one, no need to be an ass |
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| 16:31.52 | none | Hey |
| 16:31.59 | McQuaid | sorry man don't mean to be an ass, bad morning. but i did say append but not delete |
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| 16:32.06 | none | What does the "boot from lan" mean? Can I boot from my current computer and do the netinstall without CD? |
| 16:32.07 | lucas_ | hi |
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| 16:32.23 | none | I have mandrake now but would like to install debian |
| 16:32.33 | lucas_ | hey, gergely said in its non-nomination mail that tbm wasn't running for DPL this year. Is it true ? |
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| 16:32.52 | priest | none: download a debian cd? :) |
| 16:33.03 | none | priest, but I can't burn |
| 16:33.19 | lucas_ | none: can you boot on the network with your computer ? |
| 16:33.24 | lucas_ | if so, you don't need a CD |
| 16:33.25 | priest | none: ah..ok. to boot on lan, you need a lan boot-server. |
| 16:33.43 | none | Ah how can I set up that? I have two computers on the same router |
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| 16:34.09 | lucas_ | the one you DON'T want to install is already running linux ? |
| 16:34.16 | none | yes |
| 16:34.20 | lucas_ | ok |
| 16:34.27 | none | I want to replace Mandrake with Debian :) |
| 16:34.34 | jaygeek_ | hi I have a problem, when adding export PATH=/blabla/:$PATH to my /etc/profile and reboot there's no blabla in the path |
| 16:34.36 | lucas_ | and the one you want to install has a nic which can boot on the net ? |
| 16:34.55 | none | lucas_, yeah I would like to do the net install |
| 16:35.08 | lucas_ | none: but your nic supports that ? |
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| 16:35.38 | lucas_ | (nic=network card) |
| 16:36.06 | obtix | i am trying to build my own honeypot using honeyd, when i goto run honeyd with my configuration or even just with the --help option i get this error: honeyd: error while loading shared libraries: libdumbnet.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 16:36.24 | adjacent | is there an apt package for php5? im using sid on the machine who needs php5 |
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| 16:36.42 | Noid | obtix: install the package providing that lib, i assume |
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| 16:36.56 | obtix | Noid: do you know what package has that lib? |
| 16:37.07 | PerfDave | obtix: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:37.11 | Noid | obtix: nope, ask packages.debian.org |
| 16:37.19 | none | lucas_, It is an expensive 3com ethernet card, dunno more |
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| 16:37.45 | priest | lucas_: is there a simple way to setup a boot-server and install debian? |
| 16:37.47 | obtix | dpkg: doesnt even know :-P |
| 16:37.47 | dpkg | wish i knew, obtix |
| 16:37.54 | obtix | se.. HEH |
| 16:37.58 | lucas_ | priest: not really simple |
| 16:38.00 | lucas_ | but do-able ;) |
| 16:38.04 | priest | ;) |
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| 16:38.26 | lucas_ | you just have to setup a dhcp server |
| 16:38.30 | jaalto | obtix: apt-get install libdumbnet{1,-dev} |
| 16:38.32 | lucas_ | and a tftp server |
| 16:38.36 | priest | mm? |
| 16:38.42 | priest | and what kind of boot-image? |
| 16:38.54 | obtix | libdumbnet1 is already the newest version. |
| 16:38.54 | obtix | libdumbnet-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 16:39.02 | lucas_ | I don't remember |
| 16:39.07 | obtix | jaalto: thats not good then :-\ |
| 16:39.13 | lucas_ | but this is documented in the installation manual |
| 16:39.22 | jaalto | ... ok, then packages.debian.org |
| 16:39.28 | priest | lucas_: in which installation document, for debian? |
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| 16:42.19 | obtix | ok, it appears i have libdumpnet in my usr/lib but i don't have libdumpnet.so.0 however ihave libdumpnet.a, .la., .so, .so.1, .so.1.0.0 any ideas? |
| 16:42.35 | rpetre | is there an easy way to register *.ttf fonts in X? |
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| 16:42.52 | directhex|work | rpetre, kcontrol makes easy work of it |
| 16:43.17 | rpetre | directhex|work: thanks, but i'd like to to that in a bash script |
| 16:43.38 | rpetre | s/to to/to do/ |
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| 16:43.56 | jcuk | I have recently installed debian on my comp but i keep getting the error "no screens found" when i try to start the xserver. Also going through the drivers when configuring the xserver the driver for ATi Radeon wasent there... cananyone help me? |
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| 16:44.31 | burd | what was boot command on Sarge install cd to install 2.6 kernel? |
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| 16:44.46 | pipeline | burd: linux26 |
| 16:44.51 | burd | k tyvm |
| 16:44.53 | k4no | linux26 |
| 16:45.08 | jcuk | I have recently installed debian on my comp but i keep getting the error "no screens found" when i try to start the xserver. Also going through the drivers when configuring the xserver the driver for ATi Radeon wasent there... cananyone help me? |
| 16:45.16 | jaygeek_ | Is somebody can tell me how to define the PATH variable whith debian sarge please? |
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| 16:45.45 | priest | jaygeek_: export PATH=blablabla |
| 16:46.08 | topa_ | sarge bootup fails after "Setting up ICE Socket Directory /tmp/.ICE-Unix , help needed |
| 16:46.21 | burd | jcuk: just above the no screens found shows an eror.. it could either be refresh rates, resolution.. may have mouse set up wrong or keyboard(which is rare) |
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| 16:46.52 | topa_ | sarge bootup fails after "Setting up ICE Socket Directory /tmp/.ICE-Unix" , help needed |
| 16:46.59 | burd | jcuk: someone here could probably point you to the radeon driver howto, i never used it before |
| 16:47.07 | jaygeek_ | priest : I do this but works only in the console and not with desktop shortcut |
| 16:47.11 | lara | Hello, by creating a Hardlink I got the following error:ln: `/var/www/': hard link not allowed for directory |
| 16:47.15 | jcuk | burd: It says Stuff bout ATI Drivers then it says "Device not Found" |
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| 16:47.47 | burd | jcuk: which device.. the video card or mouse or... |
| 16:47.53 | topa_ | can someone tell me what is the next step in the bootup process after Setting up ICE Directory |
| 16:47.55 | priest | jaygeek_: you need to add it to your .bashrc |
| 16:48.02 | burd | jcuk: best bet is to actually read the last 40 lines there or so |
| 16:48.25 | jaygeek_ | I don't understand I do it too |
| 16:48.37 | priest | jaygeek_: did you restart X? |
| 16:48.39 | jcuk | burd: Ok ill check it out. bbiab |
| 16:48.42 | jaygeek_ | yes |
| 16:48.54 | topa_ | greycat ping! |
| 16:49.06 | snail | I have a rarely used windows partition on a frequently booted debian box. currently the partition has to be checked every reboot. is there a simple way i can either do the check in parallel to starting up the rest of the system or do it only when I need to mount the partition? |
| 16:49.13 | jethro | !ping |
| 16:49.13 | dpkg | pong |
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| 16:49.52 | topa_ | sarge bootup fails after "Setting up ICE Socket Directory /tmp/.ICE-Unix" , help needed |
| 16:49.57 | real | what?s the path on debian to install the fonts ?? |
| 16:50.00 | cahoot | snail: make it noauto in fstab? |
| 16:50.09 | noid2 | how do i go about finding out what the kernel is compiled with iptables or ipchain ? |
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| 16:50.40 | burd | noid2: general rule.. 2.4+ kernels = iptables |
| 16:50.43 | snail | cahoot: sounds like an approach. do I then have to be root to mount it? |
| 16:50.53 | eusto | how do i check if the my debian really uses my video card drivers? |
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| 16:51.16 | cahoot | snail: yuo can let users mount - depends on what options you set in fstab |
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| 16:51.36 | real | anyone knows the path to install fonts in debian? |
| 16:51.46 | noid2 | burd: yes thats what i thought ...thats whats on my system ..but i got this system and im trying to get shorewall firewall script going and its telling me that iptables v1.2.6a: can't initialize iptables table `nat': iptables who? ..... |
| 16:51.47 | snail | i see, noauto,users looks like what i need |
| 16:51.53 | lara | Hello, by creating a Hardlink I got the following error:ln: `/var/www/': hard link not allowed for directory. The directories are on the same partition |
| 16:52.07 | burd | eusto: log into X... open terminal su.. use command lsmod and see if it is being used (anything other than a 0 next to it) |
| 16:52.21 | eusto | burd, thanks |
| 16:52.21 | snail | real: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ ? |
| 16:52.32 | topa_ | can someone tell me what is the next step in the bootup process after Setting up ICE Directory |
| 16:52.48 | burd | noid2: I've never used shorewall or anything like that.. I could never understand why you would want to run a perfectly good package from another package |
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| 16:53.16 | noid2 | burd: ease of use ? |
| 16:53.20 | snail | lara: you're not allowed to create hardlinks for directories. |
| 16:53.39 | snail | lara: try a soft link |
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| 16:53.53 | Bogdar | hiall |
| 16:54.09 | burd | noid2: I cannot see how anyting could be easier to use than iptables.. |
| 16:54.18 | lara | snail: I just want to run apache under chroot... therefore I've to symlink /var/www to /chroot/apache/var/www (softlinks doesn't work) |
| 16:54.23 | topa_ | sarge bootup fails after "Setting up ICE Socket Directory /tmp/.ICE-Unix" , help needed |
| 16:54.24 | Bogdar | does it possible to use debian host as file-server for netware clients ? |
| 16:54.40 | PerfDave | Bogdar: Yes |
| 16:54.47 | PerfDave | Bogdar: Which version of Netware? |
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| 16:55.16 | snail | lara: are you on a partition that supports hardlinks ? |
| 16:55.26 | burd | noid2: also I believe if you are planning on using nat and other neat tricks with iptables, you have to install the modules |
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| 16:56.10 | lara | snail: I think so |
| 16:56.47 | snail | lara: what is the exact command? and what is the format |
| 16:56.48 | Bogdar | PerfDave, now it runs on NetWare 5. I need filesystem transactions support for old foxpro software |
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| 16:57.55 | Bogdar | PerfDave, few yars ago I play around mars, but now it seems that project is dead since last years... |
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| 16:58.52 | LunarFaul | anybody have a list of development libraries I need to apt-get to have gcc properly working? |
| 16:59.04 | simonrvn | apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:59.14 | LunarFaul | ok thanks =) |
| 16:59.35 | Jenns | Does anyone know an easy way to install an arm cross compiler on debian? |
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| 17:02.16 | lara | snail: It worked with mount |
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| 17:05.30 | karina23 | Who speaks in Russian? |
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| 17:05.41 | Jenns | !russian |
| 17:05.41 | dpkg | methinks russian is Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 17:06.06 | lara | I want that a mount --bind command is executed during startup. Is there a startup script where I could add this command or how could I create a own? (It must be started before apache starts) |
| 17:06.27 | fflush | lara: fstab |
| 17:06.31 | jethro_ | !curse shitty xDSL |
| 17:06.31 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, shitty xDSL! |
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| 17:06.49 | cahoot | a bit ironic the russian channel is named in english |
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| 17:07.11 | simonrvn | should be named -ru at least |
| 17:07.21 | lara | fflush: and how could I execute other commands during startup ? |
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| 17:07.32 | PerfDave | Bogdar: We're still running the old version of MARS for our Netware 3 boxes |
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| 17:07.43 | topa_ | sarge bootup fails after "Setting up ICE Socket Directory /tmp/.ICE-Unix" , help needed |
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| 17:08.20 | Azar | so my question is: after wrestling and endulging the 2.6.10 kernel, going "unstable" and managing to get the latest nvidia driver , will I be able now to run Debian Woody 3.0r2 in "stable" and get my nVidia GeForce2 400/400 MX running decently on xFree86 desktop? |
| 17:08.31 | topa_ | can someone tell me what is the next step in the bootup process after Setting up ICE Directory |
| 17:08.31 | Azar | I want to go back to 2.4 with "stable" |
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| 17:08.35 | burd | toba_: how about trying to boot to single user mode and looking at your syslog |
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| 17:08.46 | gusto | @Azar where are you from ? |
| 17:08.55 | Azar | gusto: U.S. |
| 17:09.00 | topa_ | burd I tried the single option but it again crashes at the same spot |
| 17:09.00 | Bogdar | PerfDave, and what about file transactions ? |
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| 17:09.15 | BucWheat | gees this make_kpkg is still going |
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| 17:09.23 | gusto | @Azar have you family in Iran ? |
| 17:09.23 | PerfDave | Bogdar: What about them? |
| 17:09.29 | cahoot | BucWheat: no dma? |
| 17:09.31 | Azar | gusto: no |
| 17:09.35 | greycat | Azar: why do you want to run *woody* on a desktop box? |
| 17:09.38 | gusto | @Azar in Turkey ? |
| 17:09.40 | PerfDave | Bogdar: I have no idea, we don't use Foxpro. |
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| 17:10.02 | simonrvn | gusto: please don't use '@' to prefix a message, one of the bots has that as a "trigger" |
| 17:10.12 | gusto | ok |
| 17:10.14 | lara | Hello. I want that some commands are during startup executed... How could I write my own startup script and where must I place it that its started before apache starts ? |
| 17:10.16 | Azar | greycat, I happed more than I could swallow and I realized I was doing kernel upgrades in a totally non-debian way |
| 17:10.18 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 17:10.24 | Azar | greycat I want to start it over again |
| 17:10.26 | greycat | Azar: so run sarge instead. |
| 17:10.31 | greycat | !d-i Azar |
| 17:10.31 | dpkg | Azar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:10.33 | gusto | Azar I think I know you :) |
| 17:10.36 | Bogdar | PerfDave, netware have "transactions" support on their filesystem. it supported in mars ? |
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| 17:10.39 | destr0 | I'm trying to access an usb device on woody, typcically I can mount those devices as /dev/sdax, but I can't get ahold of any valid block devices, can anyone give me some pointers as to find out what device it's attaching itself to? |
| 17:10.39 | burd | topa_: sound slike a nasty problem.. if that was the case for me I would move the hard drive to another debian box, mount it and look at the syslog that way |
| 17:10.48 | Azar | greycat, I only have Woody CDs |
| 17:10.56 | PerfDave | Bogdar: No idea, sorry. |
| 17:11.07 | greycat | Azar: WHY? WHY do you make your life and mine harder than necessary? |
| 17:11.09 | stew | destr0: dmesg; and read /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 17:11.15 | gusto | Azar does Azar mean fire ? |
| 17:11.23 | PerfDave | greycat: Maybe he wants security patches. |
| 17:11.25 | Azar | greycat, I am very good now at installing Debian on my own without an installer |
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| 17:11.35 | greycat | Azar: then you shouldn't have to ask anything. |
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| 17:11.48 | Bogdar | PerfDave, thanx a lot, I'll investigate in google again ;) |
| 17:11.57 | Azar | greycat, I picked Debian because I want to learn and I realized I learned the wrong way |
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| 17:12.04 | Azar | so now I am trying all over again |
| 17:12.08 | lara | Is there a file where I could add some commands to be started during boot ? |
| 17:12.31 | greycat | Azar: everything you learn about building nvidia drivers on woody -- all the heart-breakingly HARD things -- will be obsolete in a few months when sarge releases (*cough cough*) |
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| 17:12.40 | Azar | upon what I learned, Debian Woody with 2.4 on stable will never get the latest nvidia driver to work |
| 17:12.43 | stew | lara: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 17:12.49 | greycat | Azar: SO RUN SARGE! |
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| 17:13.05 | Azar | greycat, the latest nvidia driver will only work in sid |
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| 17:13.18 | greycat | Azar: then use the second latest. |
| 17:13.23 | PerfDave | Azar: Why does it only work in sid? |
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| 17:13.42 | Azar | PerfDave, the nvidia site and the README say so: "unstable" only |
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| 17:14.05 | PerfDave | Azar: You shouldn't use the stuff from the nvidia site to install drivers on a Debian system. |
| 17:14.27 | greycat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:14.27 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
| 17:14.38 | Azar | PerfDave, the Debian installation does not even mention nVidia |
| 17:14.54 | greycat | Azar: because nvidia is EVIL and NON-FREE. |
| 17:14.57 | Azar | has debian any new nVidia packages out there? |
| 17:15.03 | greycat | Azar: see dpkg's output. |
| 17:15.09 | Azar | :) greycat, yes I know |
| 17:15.11 | mirak | hi |
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| 17:15.29 | mirak | what services in the runlevel 2 are trying to acces to the pci bus ? |
| 17:15.46 | burd | Azar: When you run Sarge you can install nvidia kernel drivers. IMO the debian drivers are old and I had problems installing them so i use the drivers from nvidia and they work great |
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| 17:15.50 | PerfDave | Azar: the nvidia binary drivers cannot be distributed with Debian for licensing reasons. However, they are available with Debian's module-assistant package. |
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| 17:16.04 | Noid | greycat: but at least they make some linux drivers d-: |
| 17:16.15 | topa_ | sarge bootup fails after "Setting up ICE Socket Directory /tmp/.ICE-Unix" , help needed |
| 17:16.25 | PerfDave | Azar: Installing the drivers from nvidia directly will overwrite apt files which can cause your system to break. |
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| 17:16.55 | lara | Could I just insert a command in a file an place it in the rc.S folder ? |
| 17:16.57 | burd | Azar: PerDave is correct with that statement.. |
| 17:17.00 | Azar | PerfDave, I will use the md4sum to make the apt continue working |
| 17:17.01 | LunarFaul | is there a command where I can just start selecting packages on the cd to install once the base system has been installed? Ie like all developmental tools etc |
| 17:17.04 | westside | does anyone have a good understanding of what idebus= options does and how to know what to set it to? |
| 17:17.09 | Peto77 | hi people, my mouse stopped working after compiling kernel 2.6 can you help me withh that...? |
| 17:17.15 | PerfDave | Azar: What is an md4sum? |
| 17:17.20 | dvs | LunarFaul: tasksel |
| 17:17.22 | westside | Peto77: is it a USB mouse? |
| 17:17.25 | LunarFaul | thank you |
| 17:17.30 | Peto77 | no, ps/2 |
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| 17:17.32 | smcavoy | on a sarge system is adding sbp2 sbp2_serialize_io=1 to /etc/modules correct to have it load sbp2 with that option set to 1 |
| 17:17.36 | Peto77 | its on notebook |
| 17:17.36 | Azar | did I say md4? sorry, md5sum |
| 17:17.37 | greycat | Peto77: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
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| 17:18.07 | burd | Azar: that is just used to verify the integrity of a package and has nothing to do with apt |
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| 17:18.17 | burd | afaik |
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| 17:18.20 | doublehp | I can not post in any ML of SourcForge ... any known trouble ATM ? |
| 17:18.20 | cahoot | westside: described in the kernel-parameters.txt in /usr/src/linux |
| 17:18.31 | Azar | right now I am running sid with 2.6.10, latest nvidia driver installed the only thing I cannot get to work is ALSA |
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| 17:18.39 | Peto77 | graycat: thanx, ill look at it whatever it is :) |
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| 17:18.46 | westside | cahoot: thx! |
| 17:19.00 | cahoot | westside: best left alona AFAIK |
| 17:19.07 | burd | didn't he just say he was running woddy? |
| 17:19.11 | burd | woody^ |
| 17:19.15 | Azar | I have managed through with some tricks here and there but they are NOT Debian proper installations ... |
| 17:19.28 | Azar | I want to start over with Debian by-the-book |
| 17:19.29 | greycat | Azar: /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 17:19.41 | greycat | Azar: if you MUST start over, PLEASE start with sarge. |
| 17:19.42 | westside | choot: really? my messages says the kernel is asumming 33Mhz |
| 17:19.43 | Azar | greycat, alsa was installed but it does not work |
| 17:19.45 | greycat | I beg you. |
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| 17:19.52 | simmerz | are there any debs for sid for cyrus 2.2? |
| 17:19.56 | Azar | greycat if Id have a Sarge CD Id do it |
| 17:20.01 | greycat | !d-i Azar |
| 17:20.03 | dpkg | Azar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:20.04 | Azar | I assume Sarge did not come out yet |
| 17:20.21 | Azar | ok going there to read |
| 17:20.21 | PerfDave | Azar: The module-assistant method works just fine for Sarge with the nvidia drivers, my GeForce is running perfectly well with them. |
| 17:20.26 | PerfDave | Azar: Sarge has not been released, and has no security updates. |
| 17:20.28 | cahoot | westside: that's probably correct - but read why in the k-p.txt |
| 17:20.31 | PerfDave | Azar: But the software is a lot newer. |
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| 17:20.35 | Azar | cool |
| 17:20.38 | westside | cahoot: k will do |
| 17:20.43 | Azar | hmm I do not have a burner |
| 17:20.55 | Azar | so it is kind of hard to get it from the net |
| 17:20.59 | greycat | Azar: can you make floppies? |
| 17:21.08 | PerfDave | Azar: There are MANY ways of installing Sarge, including from an existing Debian installation. Read the Installation Manual. |
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| 17:21.16 | Azar | greycat, my box does not have floppy drive |
| 17:21.22 | greycat | !rube goldberg install |
| 17:21.22 | PerfDave | !heath robinson install |
| 17:21.22 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 17:21.25 | Azar | made it last year without a floppy |
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| 17:21.29 | PerfDave | Bah, stupid Americans. |
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| 17:21.50 | Azar | yep PerfDave it was a stupid thing to do |
| 17:21.56 | saintiss | hi |
| 17:22.00 | saintiss | where can I set module options with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:22.01 | dvs | greycat: sarge has install floppies? |
| 17:22.08 | greycat | dvs: yes. I've used 'em. |
| 17:22.09 | saintiss | providing them just like "modprobe <module> <options>" doesn't seem to work |
| 17:22.10 | PerfDave | Azar: I meant "Rube Goldberg" rather than "Heath Robinson" |
| 17:22.14 | dvs | greycat: cool |
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| 17:22.23 | Azar | :) |
| 17:22.26 | stew | Azar: do you have a usb key you can boot from? |
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| 17:23.23 | Azar | so when Sarge will come out? |
| 17:23.31 | PerfDave | Azar: When it's ready. |
| 17:23.31 | dvs | me ducks |
| 17:23.32 | stew | Azar: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 17:23.42 | jerome | hopefully, you just need to take the harddrive out of machine, plug it onto another system, make it bootable, put it back on the first machine and install |
| 17:23.48 | jerome | things are just simple |
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| 17:23.58 | PerfDave | Debian, being a nice sensible distro, wait until things work before releasing them, rather than just doing it every X months. |
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| 17:24.33 | Azar | so you guys consider is so awful to stay with Woody until Sarge is coming out officially? I am not necessarily a gui afficionado |
| 17:24.54 | topa_ | can someone tell me what is the next step in the bootup process after Setting up ICE Directory |
| 17:24.56 | topa_ | sarge bootup fails after "Setting up ICE Socket Directory /tmp/.ICE-Unix" , help needed |
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| 17:25.03 | Azar | I guess I need more learning before jumping up |
| 17:25.17 | Azar | sid is awesome but is way too much for me as beginner |
| 17:25.19 | greycat | gods that sounds familiar. |
| 17:25.20 | Noid | Azar: no, if you like pain, as in installing nvidia drivers over woody |
| 17:25.23 | PerfDave | Azar: I wouldn't necessarily recommend running Sarge on a desktop machine, but I'd insist on it for a server. |
| 17:25.29 | PerfDave | Argh! |
| 17:25.34 | PerfDave | Azar: I wouldn't necessarily recommend running Sarge on a desktop machine, but I'd insist on Woody for a server. |
| 17:25.45 | Azar | Noid: I guess now I am aware I can stay without video for a while |
| 17:25.51 | greycat | I recommend sarge for desktop machines. |
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| 17:26.00 | topa_ | greycat need help |
| 17:26.11 | topa_ | sarge bootup fails after "Setting up ICE Socket Directory /tmp/.ICE-Unix" |
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| 17:26.24 | greycat | Because *I* don't want to have to support your dumb asses when you try to build your ALSA nVidia 2.6.0-pre-rc-mm-ac-foo kernels on Woody. |
| 17:26.38 | PerfDave | Azar: Sarge is fine for a desktop, if you don't mind occasional, minor bugs and crashes, and security holes. But it's *so* much nicer to get running, and so much prettier once it is up. |
| 17:26.59 | Noid | Azar: suit yourself, but why install woody when sarge is pretty solid already? |
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| 17:27.09 | Azar | greycat I will not even try that, now that I know nvidia does not work on Woody |
| 17:27.13 | CarlosAlex | Hey, someone used Okipage8z driver (Okidata), with cups, and the printer is working good??? |
| 17:27.15 | jerome | Noid: same reason as in 2000 |
| 17:27.18 | topa_ | can someone tell me what is the next step in the bootup process after Setting up ICE Directory |
| 17:27.34 | Noid | jerome: and that would be...? |
| 17:27.34 | PerfDave | !tell topa_ -about repeat |
| 17:27.54 | topa_ | !thanks |
| 17:27.55 | dpkg | pas de quoi, topa_ |
| 17:28.00 | jerome | ho |
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| 17:28.08 | Azar | Noid: because I flunk my first Debian grade lamentably and I need to repeat the class |
| 17:28.09 | jerome | dpkg speaks fr |
| 17:28.10 | dpkg | jerome: no idea |
| 17:28.16 | Herodias | hey i have a question.. |
| 17:28.22 | jerome | me too |
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| 17:28.34 | Herodias | i have a amd athlon 64 what is the best linux distro to use? |
| 17:28.37 | simonrvn | so just ask it then... |
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| 17:28.49 | greycat | topa_: whatever you did, it didn't work. there IS NO NEXT STEP because what you need to do now is FIND OUT WHAT BROKE, AND WHY. |
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| 17:28.54 | Herodias | i am used to debian but does it support 64 bit? |
| 17:28.55 | SlayerCE | Herodias: the one that suits your needs best is the best one to use |
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| 17:28.57 | Azar | someone here told me I was using gentoo techniques and I will never forgive myself over, I want to learn the correct Debian procedures |
| 17:29.03 | Noid | Herodias: and you ask in #debian. Wow. |
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| 17:29.22 | greycat | someone else had a similar question about that damned /tmp/.ICE thing which sure as hell sounds to *ME* like an X server falling over dead, so I can't imagine it's part of your installation. |
| 17:29.22 | SlayerCE | Herodias: there's a debian port for AMD64, it works fine |
| 17:29.24 | PerfDave | Herodias: You're unlikely to get an answer other than "Debian" here. #debian-amd64 is the amd64 port of Debian, surprisingly. |
| 17:29.39 | Herodias | :) |
| 17:29.50 | Herodias | i think debian is the best:) |
| 17:30.01 | Phated | No need to tell us that. |
| 17:30.02 | Herodias | but heard alot of good things about other distros aswell |
| 17:30.08 | simmerz | has anyone packaged up cyrus 2.2 for debian (even if unofficial)? or are we stuck with 2.1 at the moment? |
| 17:30.15 | Azar | Noid sorry for this private question, are you by chance, Andrew? |
| 17:30.16 | Herodias | so thought i should ask here if debian is supported |
| 17:30.21 | jerome | I think Churchill is the best |
| 17:30.24 | Herodias | :) |
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| 17:31.08 | simonrvn | simmerz: i have, but local consumption only |
| 17:31.09 | greycat | simmerz: if it ain't on cyrus.com and it ain't on backports.org and it ain't on apt-get.org and it ain't on google.com then HOW THE HELL WOULD WE KNOW? |
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| 17:31.53 | simonrvn | simmerz: as to how it was built, it's very non-standard, as i needed certain things enabled that debian - i guess - wouldn't have enabled |
| 17:32.22 | jerome | greycat: gremlins would tell you, oh wizard. |
| 17:32.40 | simmerz | simonrvn: what are those? I tried to follow the debian-postfix-mysql-webcyradm howto, but it ended up with a lot of problems. so trying to go the packaged route |
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| 17:32.51 | noid2 | can you specify /dev/null to users in passwd if u dont want them to have shell ? |
| 17:32.53 | greycat | jerome: I only listen to the gargoyles. They're smarter. |
| 17:33.10 | greycat | noid2: 1) get a unix book. 2) man 5 passwd |
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| 17:33.14 | jerome | greycat: well, bigger they are, for sure. |
| 17:33.27 | Noid | Azar: nope, i'm not |
| 17:33.37 | Noid | Azar: maybe noid2 is (: |
| 17:33.41 | simonrvn | simmerz: i don't use mysql for auth, i use ldap. i don't use postfix, and i don't use a web frontend for configuring it |
| 17:33.55 | Azar | Noid, sorry for the question.. good to know thanks |
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| 17:34.04 | noid2 | Azar: neither am i |
| 17:34.04 | simmerz | simonrvn: fair enough. thanks anyway |
| 17:34.30 | jerome | gothtec: it was 18:34 GMT+1 when you quit at least |
| 17:34.31 | Noid | Azar: np |
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| 17:34.53 | gothtec | jerome: huh? |
| 17:35.03 | ita | can someone test my .deb please ? http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert/kdissert-0.3.6-pre5-1_i386.deb |
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| 17:35.07 | destr0 | awesome everytime I try to load the usb-storage module, it just hangs at the cmd line, the system overall still responds, and lsmod just shows usb-storage as "initializing" |
| 17:35.18 | jerome | gothtec: nothing, your quit msg sounds funny to me, np |
| 17:35.47 | simmerz | found some at apt-get.org. and greycat: thanks for the flame, but an informative mention of apt-get.org (which until now I didn't know about) would have been a more friendly approach. |
| 17:35.59 | gothtec | jerome: oh.. that |
| 17:36.05 | PerfDave | ita: Hang on, you want us to install something as root from a random site on the Internet? ;) |
| 17:36.12 | drac | ita: that site just returns 'connecting refused', well, i'm not going to try anything suspicious anyway :) |
| 17:36.16 | ita | PerfDave: yes |
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| 17:36.38 | greycat | 12:19 simmerz> are there any debs for sid for cyrus 2.2? |
| 17:36.41 | greycat | !tell simmerz about sid faq |
| 17:36.43 | ita | drac: damn, still dns issues - even with http://www.freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert/kdissert-0.3.6-pre5-1_i386.deb ? |
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| 17:37.04 | jethro | ita: what's the IP supposed to be? |
| 17:37.05 | drac | whole freehackers.org |
| 17:37.20 | jerome | ita: ouais, même en France |
| 17:37.36 | FieldySnuts | gay. |
| 17:37.39 | jethro | jerome: stick to english please |
| 17:37.50 | jerome | ita: yes, even in France |
| 17:37.54 | simonrvn | www.freehackers.org. 10800 IN CNAME verdi.freehackers.org. |
| 17:37.54 | simonrvn | verdi.freehackers.org. 10800 IN A 81.64.159.14 |
| 17:37.55 | greycat | FieldySnuts: you're coming out? |
| 17:38.01 | jethro | hah |
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| 17:38.19 | jethro | heya simonrvn |
| 17:38.29 | simonrvn | actually reaching it is another story |
| 17:38.32 | simonrvn | hello |
| 17:38.35 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 17:38.49 | simonrvn | EAD www.freehackers.org |
| 17:38.49 | simonrvn | 500 Can't connect to www.freehackers.org:80 (connect: Connection refused) |
| 17:38.52 | simonrvn | H+ |
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| 17:38.58 | jethro | I get 2 diff IPs, none of them respoonding, one seem to drop/filter without letting me know, the other sends rst |
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| 17:39.17 | simonrvn | seems there's some mis-config |
| 17:39.46 | Shadur | ita: Out of curiosity, what's supposed to be in this deb? |
| 17:40.03 | ita | Shadur: a kde program |
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| 17:40.08 | Shadur | Hmm, it's finally downloading at 6.x K/s |
| 17:40.11 | ita | jerome: ouch - :-/ |
| 17:40.12 | Shadur | ita: I don't use KDE. |
| 17:40.33 | jethro | Shadur: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kdissert/ |
| 17:40.35 | jerome | ita: connection refused, hosted in France ? |
| 17:40.36 | ita | Shadur: you don't know what you miss - |
| 17:40.37 | jethro | since freehackers is down :) |
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| 17:40.49 | ita | jethro: yes, there is adns problem |
| 17:40.57 | Shadur | ita: I do. I stopped using KDE for several well-considered reasons, and I don't regret it for a moment. |
| 17:40.59 | jethro | ita: is it hosted on noos netork? |
| 17:41.01 | jethro | network? |
| 17:41.10 | jethro | ita: as a noos customer you cant have an httpd on port 80 |
| 17:41.17 | ita | http://82.233.104.105/~tnagy/kdissert/ |
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| 17:41.29 | sewoyl | hi we have a woody bow at school with apache1.3 and php4, and apache doesn't parse the php files. the module is set for loading and .php for parsing in the httpd.conf, but still it doesnt work, any idea ? |
| 17:41.31 | ita | jethro: really ? ow |
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| 17:41.38 | ita | jethro: where does that come from ? |
| 17:41.39 | sewoyl | woody box* |
| 17:41.40 | Shadur | I don't miss the bloat. I don't miss the hideous look of the UI that remained no matter which theme or style I tried. I don't miss the way half the programs kept crashing every time I tried to do something more than mildly complicated. |
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| 17:41.46 | jethro | ita: yeah, and www. resolves to some IP owned by noos |
| 17:41.50 | ita | Shadur: i mean kdissert, not kde |
| 17:41.51 | jethro | ita: ask noos customer service |
| 17:42.05 | ita | jethro: thanks for the tip |
| 17:42.15 | jethro | ita: yw, tho it should be mentionned in your contract |
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| 17:42.50 | ita | jethro: not my host - it's a friedn's |
| 17:43.01 | jethro | then let him know :) |
| 17:43.18 | destr0 | is there a way to find out which sda,b,c,whatever your usb device was attached to? |
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| 17:43.31 | ita | jethro: sure i will |
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| 17:43.39 | sewoyl | any idea with my problem ? also when I try to stop/restart/status apachectl it tells me the server is not running, when it is :( |
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| 17:43.51 | burd | I am trying to help someone install sarge over a chat.. do we need to set up the mount points for swap in the partition section or will it mount it like the woody installer? |
| 17:44.04 | resiak | burd: You don't mount swap |
| 17:44.09 | burd | never seen the sarge installer yet |
| 17:44.09 | ita | thanks for the help all - even the kde haters :) |
| 17:44.16 | FieldySnuts | @start a de war |
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| 17:44.19 | resiak | burd: You just tell the partitioner that you want the partition to be used for swap, and you're away. |
| 17:44.22 | jethro | ita: how can I get the .deb ? |
| 17:44.23 | destr0 | I ran modprobe to insert the usb-storage module, and tailed the syslog to see if I got any error messages when I turned the drive on, and that looked good, but I just can't locate the damn drive. |
| 17:44.25 | FieldySnuts | whither ravenbird. |
| 17:44.33 | simonrvn | you conf it in /etc/fstab, but like resiak said, you don't mount it |
| 17:44.39 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 17:44.43 | jethro | ita: it's not possible with the last IP you gave |
| 17:44.52 | FieldySnuts | ravens not here |
| 17:44.54 | burd | k they already started installing the base system, I'll have to ssh in after and add the swap |
| 17:45.00 | simonrvn | BBIAB |
| 17:45.02 | ita | jethro: even with that one ? ouch - i'll ahve to change the host |
| 17:45.07 | Noid | destr0: maybe dmesg? or looking into /proc/bus/usb/ ? |
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| 17:45.13 | jethro | ita: is it firewalled? |
| 17:45.19 | ita | jethro: it shouldn't be |
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| 17:45.35 | jethro | can't get a SYN/ACK back |
| 17:45.36 | cahoot | destr0: might also check that sd_mod is loaded |
| 17:45.40 | dogmeat | what's the difference between dmesg and /var/log/message? |
| 17:45.51 | simonrvn | different files |
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| 17:45.57 | jethro | dogmeat: dmesg prints the kernel buffer |
| 17:46.08 | ita | jethro: you can get the src from http://www.kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content=12725&id=1 - ill try to have the .deb hosted elsewhere |
| 17:46.22 | jethro | ita: was just curious about the .deb :) |
| 17:46.23 | simonrvn | i still get a 500 with www.freehackers.org |
| 17:46.34 | jethro | simonrvn: I don't get anything, feel lucky you get a 500 :) |
| 17:46.45 | simonrvn | i'm just using HEAD |
| 17:46.51 | nvz | dogmeat: /var/log/dmesg is just written at boot, dmesg prints the current bufffer,, I dont know how large.. but if a machine runs a long time you wont get to the boot messages anymore |
| 17:46.52 | dogmeat | jethro: does the kernel buffer reside in a file ? |
| 17:47.02 | jethro | simonrvn: I m using hping, not getting the SYN/ACK back |
| 17:47.07 | jethro | dogmeat: man dmesg |
| 17:47.16 | jethro | dogmeat: and man syslog too |
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| 17:47.39 | dogmeat | jethro: i looked at the man dmesg, but didnt see a refernce to a file |
| 17:47.46 | jethro | dogmeat: to be more accurate, man syslogd(8à |
| 17:47.48 | jethro | dogmeat: to be more accurate, man syslogd(8) |
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| 17:47.58 | nvz | I guess 16K is the default |
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| 17:48.24 | jethro | dogmeat: quoting the manpage for dmesg : "dmesg is used to examine or control the kernel ring buffer. |
| 17:48.25 | dogmeat | jethro : thanks |
| 17:48.33 | jethro | dogmeat: do you see any reference to a file there? |
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| 17:49.02 | dogmeat | jethro : well all things seemed to be tied to a file |
| 17:49.03 | jethro | dogmeat: on the other hand, there is a "see also" at the bottom of the manpage, containing syslogd(8) |
| 17:49.31 | jethro | dogmeat: which prolly means the kernel ring buffer is somehow logged with syslog, so just look at syslog's manpages |
| 17:49.33 | simonrvn | dogmeat: the boot dmesg resides in /var/log/dmesg. the output from 'dmesg' is anything after boot. IIRC it does have a 16 kB buffer, and that buffer will eventually not have anything from the boot sequence left if that host is anywhere near busy |
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| 17:50.26 | dogmeat | simonrvn: thanks ;-) |
| 17:50.32 | greycat | !xfaq |
| 17:50.32 | dpkg | methinks xfaq is the Debian X FAQ; http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ (woody) or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.{gz,xhtml} (sarge,sid) |
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| 17:52.41 | burd | does grub from the sarge installer have a nice graphical interface similar to redhat now? |
| 17:52.49 | resiak | burd: No. |
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| 17:52.54 | resiak | burd: Well |
| 17:53.01 | resiak | burd: If you mean a pixmap behind it, it can do. |
| 17:53.06 | resiak | burd: Read the manual. |
| 17:53.22 | burd | resiak: yah I'm not seeing anything from the installer so I'm just curious |
| 17:53.43 | jethro | will etch have a x11 based installer? |
| 17:54.08 | resiak | jethro: With any luck, no. |
| 17:54.19 | jethro | resiak: let's hope so |
| 17:54.24 | resiak | burd: By default, it's just sane old grub. |
| 17:54.28 | resiak | jethro: Why, FTLOG? |
| 17:54.38 | burd | rsiak: good enough for me lol |
| 17:54.41 | jethro | let's hope it won't get one |
| 17:54.43 | jethro | I mean |
| 17:54.55 | resiak | burd: Do you not know about tab completion? |
| 17:54.55 | nvz | dogmeat: dmesg reads from kernel memory space, its a buffer. its not a file, like I told you earlier and simonrvn did as well, after boot, its written to /var/log/dmesg then the buffer continues to grow and push that data out |
| 17:55.06 | resiak | jethro: Heh. |
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| 17:55.15 | burd | resiak: yes |
| 17:55.20 | resiak | burd: You spelt my name wrong. |
| 17:56.16 | greycat | Hmm. http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#nocorefatal says that mousedev is supposed to make /dev/input/mice work, right? So why, on this laptop, does /dev/input/mice NOT see any activity from the touchpad (after modprobe'ing mousedev), whereas /dev/psaux sees it fine? |
| 17:56.23 | ricky_clarkson | !typo burd |
| 17:56.23 | resiak | burd: I'm talking about tab completion _in_ _your_ _IRC_ _client_. |
| 17:56.36 | burd | resiak: I know what your talking baout |
| 17:56.36 | ricky_clarkson | !tpyo burd |
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| 17:56.50 | resiak | burd: So how did you manage to type rsiak? |
| 17:56.58 | burd | with my fingers? |
| 17:57.05 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: vrey dably. |
| 17:57.06 | resiak | burd: But... you could just do r<TAB> |
| 17:57.21 | drfox | debian en spanish?? |
| 17:57.22 | jakjak | man |
| 17:57.22 | Stevie-O | Which manual page do you want? |
| 17:57.28 | ricky_clarkson | !spanish |
| 17:57.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:57.29 | drfox | cual es el channel? |
| 17:57.29 | PerfDave | !hispanic |
| 17:57.29 | dpkg | hispanic is probably por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues; Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaña que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
| 17:57.32 | greycat | Stevie-O: ALL of them! |
| 17:57.37 | drfox | thanks |
| 17:57.45 | burd | doesnt htis conversation seem kinda trivial? what does anyone care how I use my software? |
| 17:57.46 | ricky_clarkson | de nada |
| 17:57.47 | jakjak | just installed a new debian server, some goofy user is complaining cuz I havent installed cowsay yet |
| 17:58.04 | greycat | jakjak: would that all my problems were so simple. |
| 17:58.11 | PerfDave | jakjak: That is an essential system utility! |
| 17:58.16 | jakjak | kinda amusing huh? |
| 17:58.34 | jakjak | i think im gonna make him sweat it out a little |
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| 17:58.39 | resiak | burd: I'm just trying to save you keystrokes. Saving hand effort is on my mind at the moment... |
| 17:58.41 | PerfDave | burd: If you type people's nicks correctly, it makes it a lot easier to follow a conversation since it'll be highlighted in their client. If you use tab completion, you don't have to worry abou tthis. |
| 17:58.57 | greycat | So why doesn't /dev/input/mice give any output when I stroke the touchpad? And if it doesn't, how the HELL am I supposed to support a laptop with a (PS/2) touchpad and an external USB mouse? |
| 17:59.01 | resiak | jakjak: Why not, man? |
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| 17:59.15 | jakjak | epic4 i guess |
| 17:59.16 | resiak | greycat: worksforme :) |
| 17:59.28 | PerfDave | greycat: You could configure two mouse devices in your mouse config? |
| 17:59.31 | dvs | greycat: You're asking us?!? |
| 17:59.31 | greycat | resiak: what did you do? other than "modprobe mousedev && echo mousedev >> /etc/modules"? |
| 17:59.32 | jakjak | not really sure ;? |
| 17:59.32 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.32 | resiak | burd: r<tab>, not <tab>r |
| 17:59.42 | greycat | nvz: I have mousedev loaded. |
| 17:59.43 | PerfDave | s/mouse/X/2 |
| 17:59.46 | resiak | greycat: Didn't even do that. |
| 18:00.04 | jakjak | scrolling touchpad werked on my lappy i think |
| 18:00.07 | nvz | greycat: damn you have input loaded as well? |
| 18:00.16 | burd | so then instead of just typing it out.. i hit r tab then highlight>copy>paste.. this is faster and simpler??? |
| 18:00.17 | greycat | nvz: probably not. hold on... |
| 18:00.22 | jakjak | maybe it was through windows virtual pc.... |
| 18:00.46 | greycat | nvz: lsmod says it's loaded as a dependency of mousedev |
| 18:00.52 | sewoyl | burd, type in enough letters to have one single match |
| 18:01.02 | dbron | greycat: what kind of laptop? |
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| 18:01.08 | sewoyl | burd, res TAB |
| 18:01.08 | nvz | greycat: the could always use /dev/psaux the legacy device for core pointer and send core events for /dev/input/mice... though I dont know why its not working for you. |
| 18:01.13 | burd | oh o then i have to r tab, read re tab read res tab read |
| 18:01.14 | greycat | dbron: Dell Inspiron with an nVidia FX 5200 Go thingy/ |
| 18:01.18 | burd | shit 3 more letters and I would have it |
| 18:01.36 | dbron | greycat: I have a 5100 that "just worked" with sarge |
| 18:01.44 | sewoyl | burd, but without typo :) |
| 18:01.44 | nvz | greycat: some of those laptops have either BIOS settings that override the touchpad or manual switches on them now |
| 18:01.49 | greycat | nvz: well, let me reboot to the new kernel, I suppose. I've installed the -686 but haven't booted to it yet.... |
| 18:01.54 | xenoduck | burd, the lesson for today is this: Ignore pointless pedantry on IRC. |
| 18:01.56 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a de war |
| 18:01.56 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: no idea |
| 18:02.06 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a wm war |
| 18:02.08 | ravenbird | enlightenment makes me vomit! |
| 18:02.09 | PerfDave | burd: Your IRC client is clearly broken. |
| 18:02.10 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 18:02.31 | dbron | greycat: uses wireless usb and touchpad both work, I don't have the nvidia though |
| 18:02.44 | PerfDave | xenoduck: Who said anything about pointless pedantry? We're helping burd interact with the channel more effectively, which will help him. |
| 18:02.58 | greycat | dbron: see, *normally* I'd just use /dev/psaux and be done with it, but this guy's got a USB mouse. |
| 18:03.05 | greycat | so I want to get it working "the right way" |
| 18:03.10 | greycat | which I've never done before. |
| 18:03.10 | burd | PerfDave I see nothing in this conversation that will help me.. it is pointless garbage that I find absolutely no use for |
| 18:03.20 | xenoduck | PerfDave: You're making the channel witness whinging about typos and not helping burd with his actual problem. |
| 18:03.23 | greycat | burd: oh, so you're on IRC! |
| 18:03.28 | simonrvn | /dev/input/mice, autops2 :P |
| 18:03.30 | PerfDave | xenoduck: I'm not making the channel do anything. |
| 18:03.33 | nvz | greycat: like hp puts a long button on top that you can manually turn the touchpad on and off for example.. so you dont accidentally bump it. though they apperently dont knw the synaptics touchpads firmware can already tell the difference between a one, two, three finger touch or a palm |
| 18:03.34 | greycat | simonrvn: what' |
| 18:03.41 | greycat | s an "autops2"? is that another module I need? |
| 18:03.46 | PerfDave | burd: *shrug* If you want to ignore help when it's offered, then that's noy my problem. |
| 18:03.47 | simonrvn | oh, X? |
| 18:03.50 | FieldySnuts | what's "whinging" |
| 18:03.53 | simonrvn | no, for gpm |
| 18:03.58 | xenoduck | FieldySnuts: www.dictionary.com |
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| 18:04.09 | burd | PerfDave: help I like.. but telling me how to run my own software I dont like.. |
| 18:04.13 | Spark | ps2 mice should all be burnt, all that gpm forwarding nonsense |
| 18:04.14 | sewoyl | yeah we're just iving you a tip or using your irc client ... no offense about that i hope |
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| 18:04.19 | greycat | nvz: when I did "cat /dev/psaux" on the console and ran my finger over the touchpad, I got garbage on the screen. so the touchpad is *on*. |
| 18:04.22 | Spark | not to mention theyre not hotpluggable |
| 18:04.25 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: variant spelling for whining. i suspect the original one |
| 18:04.30 | PerfDave | burd: *shrug* If you want to ignore help when it's offered, then that's not my problem. |
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| 18:04.38 | ShadowJK | gpm forwarding? |
| 18:04.43 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: ok |
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| 18:04.50 | burd | PerfDave: that wasn't help that was control.. lol |
| 18:04.55 | PerfDave | burd: *shrug* If you want to ignore help when it's offered, then that's not my problem. |
| 18:05.14 | burd | lol the term dickweed comes to mind |
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| 18:05.33 | simonrvn | the term /ignore comes to mind |
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| 18:05.47 | Azar | hmm I was trying to follow this article TTT: -- Tools, Tips and Tweaks — Doing the NVIDIA drivers "The Debian Way" under sarge or sid -- but when I got to this |
| 18:05.51 | PerfDave | simonrvn: Ooh, what a good idea. |
| 18:05.51 | burd | that would be great cause I dont want help from anyone thats gonna tell me how to run my shit lol |
| 18:05.52 | Azar | cd /boot |
| 18:05.52 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.07 | PerfDave | Azar: What is the URL of that article? |
| 18:06.17 | xenoduck | Haw. |
| 18:06.18 | greycat | burd: please just shut up. |
| 18:06.20 | Azar | I found out that I do not have in /boot that config-2.x.x.-1-386 file |
| 18:06.25 | FieldySnuts | @lart burd |
| 18:06.26 | PerfDave | Azar: You shouldn't have to do that to install the nvidia drivers. |
| 18:06.36 | nvz | greycat: well I cant imagine. usually when you load mousedev it says PS2: device common for all mice, or something like that, and it maps it to /dev/input/mice |
| 18:06.36 | Azar | PerfDave: http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20041109.ars |
| 18:06.37 | greycat | burd: it's not OUR fault you're so fucking arrogant you bitch about your own god damned spelling mistakes and then blame US for trying to HELP you. |
| 18:06.42 | Azar | scroll down to the second article |
| 18:06.51 | toresbe | burd: I know PerfDave and he was right, he helped you, you were wrong and called him a "dickweed". |
| 18:06.54 | greycat | nvz: that did occur. |
| 18:06.58 | burd | greycat: I never bitched.. resiak did |
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| 18:07.06 | Azar | yes, PerfDave, I wonder why they write that kind of articles |
| 18:07.10 | nvz | greycat: like I said though, you can setup /dev/psaux as corepointer, and sendcoreevents for "/dev/input/mice" and they will both work in X |
| 18:07.15 | greycat | burd: because you misspelled his nick. |
| 18:07.24 | paulswm | Dammit, looks like I missed some fun :( |
| 18:07.25 | xenoduck | o noez. |
| 18:07.29 | Azar | since Debian did not update the manuals online , I am tempted to look everywhere around |
| 18:07.33 | burd | greycat: then hy are you sauying I wasbitching about it.. |
| 18:07.41 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 18:07.43 | jla | I'm trying to get cups -> smb -> XP printing working on Sarge. It seems that if I connect as guest (no -U) it doesn't let me connect to the share, and if I connect as a valid user I need a valid password, but if I make up a user and give no password it works. Is this documented somewhere? |
| 18:07.45 | PerfDave | Azar: That article is a STEAMING FUCKING PILE |
| 18:07.50 | PerfDave | Azar: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 18:08.05 | Azar | PerfDave, I have that HOWTO but it seems old |
| 18:08.13 | greycat | !listkeys sendcore |
| 18:08.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sendcore' by key returned no results. |
| 18:08.17 | greycat | !listvals sendcore |
| 18:08.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sendcore' by value returned no results. |
| 18:08.28 | PerfDave | Azar: What howto? |
| 18:08.49 | burd | see once again there are the few that ruin this chat and channel.. I cant help it if you always feel you need to tell people how to use their software.. i can't help it if you need to feel powerfull and in control.. I am my own person, you WILL NOT tell me how to manage my machines, my software or my projects.. nobody will ever |
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| 18:09.00 | nvz | greycat: you make two mouse input sections one with Option "CorePointer" and one with Option "SendCoreEvents" |
| 18:09.02 | xenoduck | burd's right. You guys are being dicks. |
| 18:09.02 | greycat | You can tell XFree86 is done by Linux hackers. Sheesh. |
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| 18:09.14 | djo_boulo | hi there |
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| 18:09.22 | dondelelcaro | burd: that's great. If you don't have a Debian related problem, kindly go elsewhere. This conversation is OT. |
| 18:09.25 | Azar | :) the second one is new :) thank you ! |
| 18:09.34 | toresbe | burd: sheesh, cool down. |
| 18:09.41 | PerfDave | Wow, burd really is a fucktard. "I've got a problem but you WILL NOT tell me how to fix it! I WILL NOT listen to help given to me on a support channel! I AM NOT A NUMBER, I AM A FREE MAN!" |
| 18:09.45 | rno_ | hi |
| 18:09.46 | burd | hey dont fuck with my rights as a human and I wont get pissed |
| 18:09.49 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: just use /ignore |
| 18:09.56 | xenoduck | It's not offtopic when someone starts a flame war over something ridiculous like a typo. It is offtopic when the victim of the flame defends himself. Fuck you. |
| 18:09.58 | toresbe | burd: wtf? |
| 18:09.58 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: But it's *funny*! |
| 18:10.32 | dondelelcaro | xenoduck: it's all off topic. This is even off topic. |
| 18:10.58 | burd | well at least toresbe has a little sense of humor.. it's sad when people actually take shit like whether I use nic completion or not.. fucking silly fucks |
| 18:10.58 | nvz | xenoduck: best thing you can do is /ignore it |
| 18:11.01 | dondelelcaro | if you wish to discuss it further, kindly do it elsewhere. |
| 18:11.01 | djo_boulo | I'm trying to set a raid 1 with mdadm with two SATA disks... the raid is cretated but when in boot time I'have an error message |
| 18:11.14 | djo_boulo | from md module |
| 18:11.21 | nvz | bite your tounge, blood in your mouth beats blood on the ground |
| 18:11.44 | cahoot | nvz: depends on who's blood |
| 18:11.47 | simonrvn | djo_boulo: you using udev by any chance? don't, it breaks modular md |
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| 18:12.05 | toresbe | aw be nice |
| 18:12.05 | nvz | cahoot: lets not be a smart ass at a time like this :P |
| 18:12.10 | toresbe | I enjoy a good discussion |
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| 18:12.31 | djo_boulo | simmerz, no... i'm not using udev |
| 18:12.35 | toresbe | even though he/she says a few things that are distilled bullshit :P |
| 18:12.43 | PerfDave | Azar: module-assistant is the "Debian way" to install the nvidia drivers. |
| 18:12.44 | djo_boulo | the problem is the device mapping |
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| 18:13.01 | simonrvn | djo_boulo: dev mapping? |
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| 18:13.04 | djo_boulo | I want to reverse module loading order |
| 18:13.18 | simonrvn | oh, /etc/modules for that |
| 18:13.29 | djo_boulo | sata devices are mapped into scsi devices sda, sdb... |
| 18:13.48 | djo_boulo | and the raid is lanched before that mapping |
| 18:13.52 | simonrvn | and you want something else |
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| 18:13.56 | simonrvn | ah, ok |
| 18:14.38 | nvz | I need a fucking bike or something I am out of shape |
| 18:14.59 | djo_boulo | <simonrvn> and you want something else <--- which is ? |
| 18:15.01 | nvz | I should walk up and talk to the street dept, they seem to have a whole line of bikes they've collected |
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| 18:15.13 | greycat | nvz: thanks! That works, though it took me a while to figure out just what it meant. |
| 18:15.42 | nvz | greycat: heh, no problem. |
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| 18:16.18 | myren | is there any complete log of bootup, all the way through the init of /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d ? |
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| 18:16.26 | simonrvn | djo_boulo: you have md and sata built-in, or modular? |
| 18:16.27 | myren | i get a half assed dmesg and syslog |
| 18:16.48 | djo_boulo | simonrvn, all are modulars |
| 18:17.04 | simonrvn | djo_boulo: i'm not sure how you can change the load order if it's built-in, but modular is easy, just change the order in /etc/modules |
| 18:17.28 | djo_boulo | i have this in my /etc/modules |
| 18:17.38 | simonrvn | don't paste here |
| 18:17.41 | simonrvn | !paster |
| 18:17.41 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 18:18.06 | greycat | dpkg, two mice is <reply> You have a laptop with a touchpad (PS/2) and an external USB mouse, and you want X to use either one, but despite the promises, it Just Doesn't Work? Make the PS/2 mouse the primary device, and add a new InputDevice section with Option "SendCoreEvents" instead of Option "CorePointer". Be sure to use both input devices down in the ServerLayout section. modprobe mousedev && echo mousedev >> /etc/modules |
| 18:18.06 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 18:18.25 | djo_boulo | ide-cd then ide-generic then sd_mod and that's it |
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| 18:18.49 | PerfDave | Azar: I e-mailed the authors of that Ars Technica article and pointed out their mistakes. |
| 18:18.50 | djo_boulo | shoul I put md after sd_mod ? |
| 18:18.55 | greycat | dpkg, two mice =~ s/new InputDevice section/new InputDevice section for the USB device/ |
| 18:18.55 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 18:18.59 | simonrvn | djo_boulo: yes |
| 18:19.09 | djo_boulo | okey |
| 18:19.37 | myren | log of bootup? bueler? bueler? bueler? |
| 18:19.42 | myren | help polz |
| 18:19.57 | nvz | gonna go see if I can persuade these guys to sell me a bike cheap |
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| 18:20.30 | simonrvn | around here a cheap bike is either stolen, or gotten at one of the bike co-ops |
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| 18:21.17 | nvz | yeah there is this fenced in area across the street I figure its owned by the street dept, there are a ton of bikes in there.. I figure they found em.. maybe they will sell em.. they are just sitting out there getting rained on and shit |
| 18:22.12 | PerfDave | Gah, I hate e-mail addresses that bounce. |
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| 18:22.30 | nvz | I figure the cheapest sale price on a decent size bike at like WalMart would be $40-50 if you are lucky and it would probably be shitty |
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| 18:22.41 | nvz | I could probably find a better used one and fix it for less |
| 18:22.46 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: if it bounces, it's not an email address any more... it's just a random string of letters, numbers and dots with an @. |
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| 18:23.12 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: ...that's in a mailto: link on this Ars Technica article :/ |
| 18:23.21 | paroneayea | so.. which CD would you recommend I do to perform a basic debian install? |
| 18:23.22 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: heh |
| 18:23.29 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Oh well, one of the three addresses hasn't bounced (yet). |
| 18:23.31 | paroneayea | there seem to be a few of them :X |
| 18:23.32 | dondelelcaro | paroneayea: sarge netinst or first iso |
| 18:23.32 | greycat | paroneayea: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 18:23.35 | PerfDave | paroneayea: Which version of Debian? |
| 18:23.54 | paroneayea | PerfDave: I dunno... never used debian before :( |
| 18:24.02 | simonrvn | cd 1 |
| 18:24.04 | PerfDave | paroneayea: What do you want it for? |
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| 18:24.20 | paroneayea | PerfDave: eh, sick of gentoo |
| 18:24.29 | PerfDave | paroneayea: I mean, desktop or server? |
| 18:24.32 | paroneayea | and them never updating packages for three months |
| 18:24.33 | rno_ | i have reiserfs and there are few blocks on my disk that can't be read anylonger. it blocks my perls package, as root, if i try to read some file in it i get 'permission denied'... should i supsect reiserfs or the hard disk? how to know for sure? (reiserfsck crashes on these blocks) |
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| 18:24.39 | paroneayea | PerfDave: ah, desktop |
| 18:24.48 | PerfDave | paroneayea: Your two choices are Woody (3 years old, but has security updates) and Sarge (brand spanky new, no security updates yet) |
| 18:25.05 | PerfDave | !ricerfs |
| 18:25.05 | dpkg | from memory, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for more info. |
| 18:25.08 | valdyn_ | !d-i paroneayea |
| 18:25.10 | dpkg | paroneayea, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:25.53 | rno_ | !reiserfs |
| 18:25.54 | dpkg | reiserfs is, like, a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 18:25.57 | kzimm | hi |
| 18:26.03 | PerfDave | paroneayea: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is the link for Sarge. It has netinstall CDs, or you can use a full CD ISO to speed things up. |
| 18:26.14 | kzimm | i want install debian, i think sarge is good no ? |
| 18:26.14 | ricky_clarkson | !ricerfs =~ s/more/real/ |
| 18:26.15 | dpkg | OK, ricky_clarkson |
| 18:26.27 | PerfDave | kzimm: Your two choices are Woody (3 years old, but has security updates) and Sarge (brand spanky new, no security updates yet) |
| 18:26.36 | paroneayea | PerfDave: gotcha, I'm downloading this now... |
| 18:26.41 | robin_sz | whats that? .. that spec over there on the horizon ... |
| 18:26.54 | PerfDave | robin_sz: I think that's your /boot, mate ;) |
| 18:26.57 | ^c | kzimm: sarge is good, for desktop and personal use, for servers and the like woody is a little better |
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| 18:27.11 | kzimm | PerfDave: it's not a serveur, it's for work on it just so sarge must be better |
| 18:27.11 | rno_ | = { thks |
| 18:27.12 | robin_sz | its hard to see from here ... is it? ... goodness! its the Sarge release date!! |
| 18:27.28 | PerfDave | kzimm: As long as you don't mind minor bugs and no security updates, Sarge is fine. |
| 18:27.29 | paroneayea | thanks for being so nice.. whoa, this is an actually _kind_ channel of IRC, it seems |
| 18:27.29 | greycat | robin_sz: nah, that's just some smog. |
| 18:27.31 | paroneayea | that's rare ;) |
| 18:27.36 | PerfDave | !d-i kzimm |
| 18:27.37 | robin_sz | ah wait, ... i think its moving away, yes, getting smaller |
| 18:27.37 | dpkg | kzimm, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:27.52 | PerfDave | paroneayea: We're nice to people who are nice to us ;) |
| 18:28.01 | kzimm | ho thx, there is no language installation ? |
| 18:28.05 | paroneayea | :) |
| 18:28.15 | PerfDave | Language installation? |
| 18:28.20 | Stipey | does sarge use reiserfs or ext3 by default? |
| 18:28.25 | greycat | Stipey: yes. |
| 18:28.28 | PerfDave | Stipey: It uses what you tell it to use. |
| 18:28.32 | kzimm | i mean i m french there is no french specific install |
| 18:28.34 | greycat | !fr |
| 18:28.34 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 18:28.39 | PerfDave | Do you mean installing in another language? The first question the installer asks is what language you want. The installation manual is available in French. |
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| 18:28.52 | valdyn_ | kzimm: you pick your language after booting the install disk |
| 18:28.53 | kzimm | so perfect |
| 18:29.02 | kzimm | sarge-i386-netinst.iso right ? |
| 18:29.14 | PerfDave | kzimm: If you want to netinstall, you can use a full ISO to speed things up. |
| 18:29.21 | stew | kzimm: oui |
| 18:29.39 | kzimm | in full iso thereis many many cd :/ |
| 18:29.51 | PerfDave | kzimm: You only need the first one. |
| 18:29.58 | kzimm | ho |
| 18:30.02 | kzimm | so let's go for it |
| 18:30.05 | kzimm | thanks |
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| 18:31.47 | eusto | how can i test my videocard |
| 18:31.48 | eusto | ? |
| 18:32.09 | greycat | eusto: run X. |
| 18:32.09 | dvs | eusto: ? |
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| 18:32.21 | robin_sz | two pieces of wood about an inch tall, place card between them, stand on it ... |
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| 18:32.55 | GarySaved | I have been hearing 'Gnome Apt' is usable now. Has anyone tried using it lately? |
| 18:32.57 | eusto | greycat, no...i mean X is runnig just fine but none of the games run normally |
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| 18:33.40 | directhex | GarySaved, synaptic is better than gnome-apt. |
| 18:33.46 | paroneayea | robin_sz: your offer is consumed in a flash of light! "You sense a conflict between Odin and Loki.." |
| 18:33.59 | paroneayea | if I got that right :) |
| 18:34.08 | GarySaved | That is what I have been using. |
| 18:34.12 | jcuk | Hey there, i have recently installed debian and still cant get the xserver to start. I have selected the Radeon Drivers but its giving the error, (WW) RADEON: No Matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found. |
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| 18:34.40 | valdyn_ | eusto: opengl games? glxinfo | grep direct |
| 18:34.40 | directhex | jcuk, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, leave the busid blank |
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| 18:35.20 | kayali | hello |
| 18:35.26 | jcuk | directhex: Thanks |
| 18:35.40 | GarySaved | From looking it over, Gnome-Apt is nice for finding orphaned files. |
| 18:35.50 | eusto | valdyn_, direct rendering: No OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 18:35.58 | eusto | valdyn_, how can i fix this |
| 18:35.59 | eusto | ? |
| 18:36.34 | kayali | I'm completely new to debian, and I'm loving it so far. Only thing I don't understand is that the latest kernel I get on 'unstable' is 2.6.8. Is this normal, or is my mirror outdated ? |
| 18:36.38 | directhex | eusto, what's the graphics card? |
| 18:36.40 | hacim | how can I attach all the files in a directory in mutt? |
| 18:36.48 | robin_sz | so .. quick apt-get question ... if I want to bring all the packages in may machine up to current spec, I type ..?? |
| 18:36.52 | eusto | directhex, radeon 9200se |
| 18:36.53 | directhex | kayali, 2.6.10 is the latest on unstable. |
| 18:36.55 | hacim | ah, I need to tag them all |
| 18:36.55 | dvs | !find kernel-image-2.6.10 |
| 18:36.57 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.6.10' (5 shown): kernel-image-2.6.10-1-386 ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7 ;; kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7-smp. |
| 18:37.01 | jethro | hacim: /j #mutt |
| 18:37.08 | directhex | eusto, what are you planning on running? |
| 18:37.08 | eusto | directhex, i've compiled and modprobed fglrx |
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| 18:37.23 | ^c | robin_sz: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 18:37.33 | kayali | directhex: can it be because I'm on powerpc? |
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| 18:37.39 | directhex | oh. fglrx. follow the rules on flavio stanchina's page, beyond that i don't care, work it out. |
| 18:37.40 | valdyn_ | eusto: and configured X to use fglrx? |
| 18:37.44 | directhex | kayali, no idea |
| 18:37.49 | eusto | valdyn_, yep |
| 18:37.59 | robin_sz | ^c: ta |
| 18:38.01 | directhex | making fglrx work is non-trivial |
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| 18:38.29 | valdyn_ | hmm, it was trivial for me, but only after i discovered flavios debs |
| 18:38.44 | eusto | valdyn_, flavios debs? |
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| 18:38.49 | eusto | valdyn_, tell me more |
| 18:38.54 | djo_boulo | simonrvn, think you that did the trick |
| 18:38.54 | eusto | please |
| 18:39.03 | valdyn_ | !ati drivers |
| 18:39.03 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
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| 18:39.27 | valdyn_ | do not listen to flavios paranoid statements, _use_ procompiled stuff off his site |
| 18:39.33 | simonrvn | djo_boulo: s'ok |
| 18:40.02 | directhex | valdyn_, i'd agree, but it toasted a lot of my stuff on my work system, and i had to edit dpkg databses by hand to fix |
| 18:40.10 | p2-mate | hi simonrvn |
| 18:40.13 | eusto | valdyn_, oh ...well i have already done that |
| 18:40.18 | abel | hi all. anyone knows the kernel i am supposed to have with a amd sempron 2600 cause i have a 686-smp and i asking myself if it is the good one... |
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| 18:40.28 | directhex | abel, wrong kernel |
| 18:40.30 | directhex | abel, k7 |
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| 18:40.48 | abel | ok ... thanks |
| 18:40.49 | directhex | abel, 686-smp is for single, dual, or hyperthreaded intel pentium pro or higher |
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| 18:40.58 | hob | scsi cd writers and the boot process! Can someone tell me where to look to speed the whole thing up? |
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| 18:41.05 | valdyn_ | directhex: i see |
| 18:41.28 | Akiyuki | How man iso files are there for a full installation? |
| 18:41.45 | directhex | valdyn_, plus, the likelihood of fglrx working either way is still low, and if it DOES work, then that's still slow & unstable & poorly compatible |
| 18:41.47 | abel | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 will work ? |
| 18:41.48 | directhex | Akiyuki, 15 |
| 18:41.52 | directhex | abel, yes |
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| 18:42.01 | ^c | Akiyuki: what do you mean by full |
| 18:42.07 | Akiyuki | Ouch, why are there so many compared to other distros that have 3 or 4 |
| 18:42.07 | abel | i just do an apt get on it ? |
| 18:42.17 | directhex | Akiyuki, because debian has more than a handful of packages |
| 18:42.17 | eusto | directhex, so ...what are you using for your ati videocard? |
| 18:42.19 | Akiyuki | ^c: Like cd-1.iso cd-2.iso..etc |
| 18:42.23 | dvs | Akiyuki: How many other dists have almost 11000 packages? |
| 18:42.25 | valdyn_ | directhex: yea i agree it does suck, just didnt have problems to get it to run, just plenty problems with things not working as they should w/ various applications |
| 18:42.36 | directhex | eusto, at worjk i'm not bothering, and i'm not stupid enough to use ati on a pc i build myself |
| 18:42.38 | ^c | Akiyuki: you can just use one to install it and then use apt-get to install other packages if you are connect to the net |
| 18:42.45 | robin_sz | Akiyuki: lets see .. wait .. I have it! .. its because debianian supprts more hardware than the distros that have just 3 or 4 kernels |
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| 18:42.53 | paulswm | hob: You can speed up the boot process by compiling your own kernel and getting rid of initrd. This is a non-trivial process, but not rocket science either. |
| 18:43.01 | jcuk | directhex: It is now displaying the error, (WW) RADEON: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1 ) found. |
| 18:43.13 | paulswm | Bye jethro |
| 18:43.13 | directhex | jcuk, just paste the whiole damned log somewhere online |
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| 18:43.20 | njan | robin_sz, what does lots of CDs have to do with lots of kernels? Kernels aren't so big you need 7 CDs for them.. |
| 18:43.22 | Akiyuki | Well, I only see 7 iso images. |
| 18:43.32 | jcuk | dunno how to copy n paste outa a command line ;) |
| 18:43.34 | dvs | Akiyuki: That's stable (woody) |
| 18:43.36 | directhex | Akiyuki, that would be woody. are you wanting a server or a desktop? |
| 18:43.38 | njan | robin_sz, I was under the impression it was for packages, not kernels :p |
| 18:43.41 | hob | paulswm: i've complied my own, but the system still hangs when loading up the scsi drive. What'd I do wrong? |
| 18:43.45 | directhex | jcuk, use ftp? |
| 18:43.54 | robin_sz | njan: I though he meant "why does debian have so many kernel options, most distors have 3 or 4" |
| 18:43.56 | jcuk | i dont have an ftp server |
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| 18:43.59 | simonrvn | p2-mate: hi |
| 18:44.02 | paulswm | hob: Dunno, I don't use scsi |
| 18:44.04 | Azar | what is the highest version of linux that Woody will accept? 2.4.24 ? |
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| 18:44.18 | directhex | jcuk, get in a position where you can bge helped and you will be helped. you're pasting warnings, not errors. |
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| 18:44.23 | directhex | Azar, 2.4.18 |
| 18:44.28 | hob | paulswm: fair play... |
| 18:44.29 | directhex | Azar, or compile your own 2.4.* |
| 18:44.32 | eusto | directhex, i have to make it work and run some tests...when using windows it constantly hangs and i have to know if it is because of how much xp sucks or if this card is really damaged |
| 18:44.41 | jcuk | The error is "No Screens Found" thats the ONLY error |
| 18:44.47 | directhex | eusto, good luck |
| 18:44.48 | bandito | anyone know of a x biff application that will poll a maildir on a remote machine, via ssh? |
| 18:44.48 | Azar | thank you directhex |
| 18:44.58 | eusto | directhex, thanks :) |
| 18:44.59 | simonrvn | !d-i |
| 18:44.59 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 18:45.09 | directhex | jcuk, sigh. and the first warning above it? |
| 18:45.16 | valdyn_ | eusto: check dmesg, particularily when doing modprobe, check the agp option |
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| 18:45.34 | valdyn_ | eusto: to pick builtin or the kernel agp driver, so things fit |
| 18:45.39 | jcuk | i gave you it already, Radeon: No matching device section for instance (busid pci:1:0:1 ) found |
| 18:45.44 | SARGEMOUSE | how can i activate my mouse wheel? |
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| 18:46.10 | Phated | jcuk: Tried dpkg-reconfigure but not entering a bus ID for your card? |
| 18:46.12 | robin_sz | I think building a custom kernel is going to be my only chance of getting 2.6 running on the Dell box :( |
| 18:46.17 | dvs | SARGEMOUSE: in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, put "ImPS/2" as your mouse protocol |
| 18:46.21 | directhex | jcuk, then you're not giving me a useful answer. until you can give access to your XF86Config-4 and... hang on... which version of debian, which graphics card? |
| 18:46.28 | jcuk | Phated: Thats what i have done |
| 18:46.37 | Phated | All right. |
| 18:46.48 | SARGEMOUSE | thx @dvs |
| 18:46.48 | jcuk | Debian 3.0 ATI Radeon 9600XT 256mb |
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| 18:46.54 | directhex | oh for FUCK'S SAKE |
| 18:46.59 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 18:47.00 | directhex | !woody hardware support |
| 18:47.00 | dpkg | hmm... woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 18:47.05 | dvs | SARGEMOUSE: Dont thank me yet ;-) |
| 18:47.13 | jcuk | directhex: Ah :)) |
| 18:47.17 | ^c | SARGEMOUSE: and make sure you have option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 18:47.23 | jcuk | rofl |
| 18:47.25 | jcuk | shit |
| 18:47.42 | directhex | well that was a waste of everybody's time |
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| 18:47.46 | directhex | !woody desktop |
| 18:47.46 | dpkg | If you're running a desktop machine, odds are you want to install Sarge instead. However, if you really require the stability that woody offers, you can install woody. If you do, please don't complain to Debian about the age of software in stable, etc. |
| 18:47.52 | paulswm | jcuk: Easy to upgrade to sarge though |
| 18:48.03 | SerajewelKS | how do i instruct a debian-based system to use my local timezone for the "real time" instead of UTC? |
| 18:48.13 | simonrvn | tzconfig |
| 18:48.20 | jcuk | ok so how easy is it? Download ISO's or just upgrade from the http |
| 18:48.36 | robin_sz | just upgrade by http |
| 18:48.37 | directhex | have you set the system up with anything yet? |
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| 18:48.42 | SerajewelKS | simmerz, that doesn't change the hardware clock |
| 18:48.48 | jcuk | i have set the system up with everythiong |
| 18:49.00 | SARGEMOUSE | @dvs this is installed in this file ChanServ |
| 18:49.00 | ravenbird | okay, SARGEMOUSE |
| 18:49.02 | Phated | Still easy to upgrade. |
| 18:49.12 | dvs | @dvs this |
| 18:49.12 | ravenbird | methinks dvs this is installed in this file ChanServ |
| 18:49.14 | GarySaved | What command do I enter to choose a new mouse type? |
| 18:49.17 | dvs | ha! |
| 18:49.17 | Phated | SARGEMOUSE: Don't put characters in from of your nick, damnit. |
| 18:49.17 | directhex | then do an upgrade, and install missing packages afterwards |
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| 18:49.24 | Phated | @forget dvs this |
| 18:49.24 | SARGEMOUSE | ok sry |
| 18:49.24 | ravenbird | i forgot dvs this, Phated |
| 18:49.28 | simonrvn | @lart SARGEMOUSE |
| 18:49.30 | dvs | awwwwww |
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| 18:49.39 | jcuk | Phated: Whats the http for upgrade |
| 18:49.41 | paulswm | jcuk: change 'stable' or 'woody' to 'testing' or 'sarge' in /etc/apt/sources.list, run 'apt-get update', run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
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| 18:49.51 | SerajewelKS | i want "hwclock" to give me the time in my local time zone, because i also run a common, broken desktop operating system |
| 18:49.54 | jcuk | kk |
| 18:50.03 | SARGEMOUSE | sry i dont know whats going on here ! |
| 18:50.07 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: man hwclock |
| 18:50.44 | directhex | jcuk, then apt-get install hotplug discover1, probably more things i can't think of offhand. |
| 18:51.04 | SARGEMOUSE | my mouse settings for wheel are set but the wheel is not working how can fix this |
| 18:51.18 | simonrvn | very carefully |
| 18:51.24 | directhex | SARGEMOUSE, you need to restart X after changhing the file |
| 18:51.29 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: what in the world is broken enough to use hwclock? |
| 18:51.48 | jcuk | Right, thanks guys ill give it a shot :)) |
| 18:51.51 | SARGEMOUSE | i changed nothing because this entry was set before |
| 18:51.53 | dvs | SARGEMOUSE: Put this in your InputDevice section too: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 18:51.54 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: the hwclock isn't guaranteed to have any relationship to anything when the machine is actually running |
| 18:52.06 | paulswm | jcuk: good luck, should be all OK |
| 18:52.09 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, you didn't read my statement |
| 18:52.15 | SARGEMOUSE | ok @dvs |
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| 18:52.41 | SARGEMOUSE | this is also set |
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| 18:52.55 | dvs | SARGEMOUSE: Did you restart X? |
| 18:53.08 | SARGEMOUSE | this was set before !!! |
| 18:53.10 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: oh, you mean that you're running windows... |
| 18:53.12 | nvz | went out and got me some real beer, that chick beer was making me sick.. heh damn malt beverages |
| 18:53.22 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, yes =) |
| 18:53.25 | gilles | what irc client should i use in the console ? |
| 18:53.32 | Phated | irssi-text. |
| 18:53.34 | directhex | gilles, irssi |
| 18:53.36 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: then edit /etc/default/rcS; and set UTC appropriately |
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| 18:53.45 | SerajewelKS | it's all fixed now |
| 18:53.46 | SerajewelKS | i think |
| 18:53.54 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: and/or totally ditch windows |
| 18:54.15 | dondelelcaro | hwclock of anything but UTC is basically utterly broken |
| 18:54.18 | nvz | since irssi-gtk doesnt seem to be around anymore, I think its safe to rename irssi-text package just irssi |
| 18:54.34 | dondelelcaro | nvz: well, it may come back if someone is insane enough |
| 18:54.35 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i can't wean myself off of DirectX games |
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| 18:54.48 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: what do you care what the time is set for them, then? |
| 18:55.07 | SerajewelKS | because if i look at my clock, and it's 5 hours off, it scares me |
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| 18:55.12 | nvz | dondelelcaro: bah, they'll have to fork the project and call it something else :P |
| 18:55.18 | supos | how do I mount a reiserfs partition as a normal user? (I only want one specific user to be allowed to mount it) |
| 18:55.28 | SerajewelKS | on a different note, is there a debian package for the GTK OBEX FTP client? |
| 18:55.43 | SARGEMOUSE | how can get my geforce 3 ti 200 working i can only use vesa thast very stupid when i use vga i cant start x anymore |
| 18:55.44 | coachz | What app do i use to have server time set automatically? |
| 18:55.52 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 18:55.52 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers exactly, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 18:56.28 | cat | !fdisk |
| 18:56.28 | dpkg | i heard fdisk is the universal problem solver, see http://www.fdisk.it for more information. ALL HAIL FDISK! |
| 18:56.29 | takatumi | SerajewelKS: never used apt-cache search? |
| 18:56.56 | SerajewelKS | takatumi, STFU. yes, i have. i just fixed the problem. i'm done. stop making suggestions. |
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| 18:57.20 | gilles | i always have the string "printk: 16 messages suppressed" often displayed when i'm working in console mode, where does it come from, anf how to stop it ? |
| 18:57.23 | takatumi | SerajewelKS: this was related to your different note. |
| 18:57.33 | SerajewelKS | takatumi, oh sorry |
| 18:57.37 | SerajewelKS | takatumi, yeah, nothing shows up |
| 18:57.39 | Stuttergart | Anybody tried to install stable on an IBM with a Serveraid 6i+? |
| 18:57.58 | directhex | Stuttergart, how recent is the 6i+? |
| 18:58.05 | Azar | this XFree86 HOWTO does not seem to apply to Debian way of installation, should I follow it anyways? http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree86-HOWTO/x81.html |
| 18:58.16 | Stuttergart | direc: they are shipping them right now on new servers. |
| 18:58.29 | directhex | !tell Stuttergart about woody hardware support |
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| 18:58.46 | supos | no suggestions on how to mount a partitions as an ordinary user? |
| 18:58.48 | directhex | Stuttergart, i believe there's an installer out there with woody and a recent kernel |
| 18:58.56 | directhex | !tell Stuttergart anpit special installers |
| 18:59.01 | nvz | supos: man fstab, man mount |
| 18:59.06 | directhex | !tell Stuttergart about special installers |
| 18:59.12 | nvz | supos: put the filesystem in fstab with the user option |
| 18:59.14 | SerajewelKS | basically i'm looking for an OBEX FTP client that's more usable than obexclient |
| 18:59.18 | Stuttergart | I figured it would probably take a helix installer or something. |
| 18:59.30 | Stuttergart | hilux that is |
| 18:59.31 | supos | nvz: did that, but no matter what i do it seems to give me an error |
| 18:59.33 | directhex | Azar, no, don't even thin about following that |
| 18:59.34 | nvz | supos: then the users can mount/unmount them at will.. this is ideal for example for removable media like cdroms and floppies |
| 18:59.43 | directhex | Azar, wht on god's green earth would you? xfree86 is in debian |
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| 18:59.54 | nvz | supos: well then supply what you "did" and what the "error" is. |
| 18:59.56 | Azar | thank you directhex |
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| 19:00.10 | Azar | directhex, my basic Debian Woody 3.0r2 does not have it |
| 19:00.23 | paulswm | heh |
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| 19:00.34 | SARGEMOUSE | how can i start on boot in init 3 |
| 19:00.49 | supos | nvz: Will do. One sec |
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| 19:00.51 | |ryan| | I'm running debian stable, and I'v installed PHP 4... |
| 19:00.53 | Phated | Keyword: BASIC. You're not going to have software you don't install, FFS, Azar. |
| 19:01.02 | directhex | Azar, yes it does. if you install it. |
| 19:01.02 | nvz | I am sure helix loves being distracted, when people talk about unrelated things like helix player or the helix theme..etc |
| 19:01.02 | westside | I'm curious how does apt-get upgrade determine what gets upgraded? I did a new install followed by an upgrade but gcc didn't get upgraded for some reason. |
| 19:01.05 | |ryan| | I need to run a php script from the command line, how do i do that? |
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| 19:01.14 | paulswm | God, another annoying nick |
| 19:01.29 | directhex | westside, you do apt-get update, so it synchs up its list of what's available to what it has |
| 19:01.31 | cat | ./php |
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| 19:01.47 | CarlosAlex | I need some help |
| 19:01.50 | directhex | Azar, why do you want xfree86 on woody? |
| 19:01.57 | takatumi | CarlosAlex: lemme guess, printer? |
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| 19:02.05 | jcuk | Ok erm ... which shell text editor should i use? i normally use pico but its not there.. |
| 19:02.10 | CarlosAlex | The printer is working takatumi |
| 19:02.10 | westside | directhex: yeah I did an update before upgrade...I basically changed my sources to SiD and did update then upgrade |
| 19:02.12 | Azar | directhex, I want to try/test / learn how to tweak drivers with Woody |
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| 19:02.13 | simonrvn | nano |
| 19:02.14 | CarlosAlex | Finally |
| 19:02.14 | directhex | jcuk, nano is a free version of pico |
| 19:02.19 | takatumi | CarlosAlex: phew! |
| 19:02.25 | Azar | directhex, squeeze all I can from it |
| 19:02.25 | directhex | westside, dist-upgrade ? |
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| 19:02.26 | nvz | jcuk: try installing mped, or use nano if you dont want to install something new |
| 19:02.39 | westside | directhex: d'oh..forgot that one |
| 19:02.40 | jcuk | Right thanks |
| 19:02.45 | CarlosAlex | Id like to mount NTFS partition as user, but I dunno how to do |
| 19:02.46 | westside | thx |
| 19:03.01 | CarlosAlex | /dev/hda1 /windows/c ntfs ro,user 0 0 |
| 19:03.01 | simonrvn | CarlosAlex: man mount; /user |
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| 19:03.13 | paulswm | CarlosAlex: man mount, look for the ntfs options |
| 19:03.17 | nvz | I like mped, its a single mode editor with basic emacs macros, and syntax highlighting for shell, man, html, xml, perl, C/C++ |
| 19:03.38 | paulswm | !blame emacs |
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| 19:03.47 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 19:03.49 | ricky_clarkson | Perl is the root of all eval. |
| 19:03.56 | nvz | CarlosAlex: have to add uid=1000,gid=1000 where 1000 is the users uid/gid |
| 19:04.02 | paulswm | !prize ricky_clarkson |
| 19:04.05 | nvz | CarlosAlex: or else the user can mount it but not access it |
| 19:04.09 | simonrvn | @win ricky_clarkson |
| 19:04.11 | ravenbird | Congratulations, ricky_clarkson! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 19:04.11 | ricky_clarkson | !prise paulswm |
| 19:04.17 | Azar | :) |
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| 19:04.32 | OleMoudi | If I left a logged in shell in a remote machine and I rlogin from another and kill any proccess my user had, it's everything ok and I don't need to worry, isnt it? |
| 19:04.59 | nvz | OleMoudi: if you slay a user it kills all the users processes, yes |
| 19:05.02 | quitte | OleMoudi: use ssh - not rlogin |
| 19:05.12 | CarlosAlex | Hummm... |
| 19:05.13 | paulswm | OleMoudi: if 'who' doesn't show it, it's gone. |
| 19:05.18 | CarlosAlex | User can mount, but cannot access |
| 19:05.26 | nvz | CarlosAlex: did you miss what I said? |
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| 19:05.55 | OleMoudi | quitte, isnt the same thing? |
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| 19:06.02 | CarlosAlex | Oh.. sorry |
| 19:06.07 | ricky_clarkson | !prise $1 is <action>(blows $1 apart with a lightly oiled explosive|removes $1 from the (sheep|goat|Welshman) he was molesting|forcibly removes $1 from $1's keyboard) |
| 19:06.07 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
| 19:06.08 | CarlosAlex | Iwas on the phon |
| 19:06.12 | ricky_clarkson | !prise paulswm |
| 19:06.21 | OleMoudi | oh, I meant slogin, not rlogin |
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| 19:06.32 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, what are the chances? ;) |
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| 19:06.43 | ricky_clarkson | 1 in 6 |
| 19:06.43 | ndee | hi there, is there an easy way to get gif-support for php under woody? |
| 19:06.45 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: Hah, very good |
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| 19:06.47 | CarlosAlex | nvz, thanks |
| 19:06.49 | quitte | OleMoudi: no rlogin is in the rsh collection of packages. ssh is far more secure |
| 19:06.54 | tatoo | does somebody know any software for call manager for VoIP? |
| 19:06.55 | ricky_clarkson | 1 in 9, rather |
| 19:07.01 | jaro | Hi. Did anyone manage to get vmware workstation working under debian? |
| 19:07.12 | scorphus | I'm setting an FTP server on a local machine inside a LAN with a NAT and internet connection. When I try to connect to it from the WAN the login proccess stops when Entering Passive Mode (192,168,0,1,4,23) which is the machine's local address. Is there another port involved on the party? |
| 19:07.14 | joebob2000 | anyone here use the gaim package? seems like its always outdated |
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| 19:07.17 | directhex | jaro, works perfectly. use the tgz installer, pout it in /opt |
| 19:07.21 | ricky_clarkson | joebob2000: sid? |
| 19:07.27 | zerotime | I got a problem, I just installed mepis and I need spanish keyboard layout in terminal |
| 19:07.28 | zerotime | zerotime I do loadkeys es but it is not giving me the spanish layout |
| 19:07.28 | zerotime | zerotime how can I fix this_ |
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| 19:07.33 | |XO| | j php |
| 19:07.41 | directhex | !info gaim |
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| 19:07.44 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 863 kB, Installed size: 2224 kB |
| 19:07.59 | nvz | CarlosAlex: when you mount a filesystem that isnt compliant with POSIX standards of file permissions, it changes the mount point and all recursive dirs and files to the person who mounted it, which is in effect root, unless you specify |
| 19:08.11 | joebob2000 | is that in the 'unstable' tree? |
| 19:08.17 | zerotime | did anyone read me? |
| 19:08.18 | paulswm | zerotime: Mepis is not debian, /topic |
| 19:08.22 | nvz | CarlosAlex: if you need access by more than one user, create a special group and mount it with that group ID and add everyone to that group |
| 19:08.22 | directhex | joebob2000, yes. 1.1.1 in sarge. |
| 19:08.25 | GarySaved | I use Galeon browser. What would make it act like it is loading a web site, but not display anything? |
| 19:08.34 | joebob2000 | aka in the testing tree |
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| 19:08.41 | zerotime | I think that feature is common 100% sure about that |
| 19:08.41 | ricky_clarkson | GarySaved: A very large blank page? ;) |
| 19:08.44 | robin_sz | scorphus: you'll probably need a 'application helper' in your firewall .. the control port will be beingn handed off, the data port is probably not opening .. you need a little helper app usually to open up a data channel |
| 19:08.45 | zerotime | but anyway |
| 19:09.04 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 828] by debhelper |
| 19:09.08 | zerotime | sorry bout that I wont ask again |
| 19:09.11 | emfpilot | GarySaved: There is no place like 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:09.21 | ricky_clarkson | zerotime: dpkg-reconfigure locales; dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 19:09.22 | GarySaved | It loads for the appropriate time, and says O.K. but there is nothing on my screen. |
| 19:09.24 | scorphus | robin_sz: thanks. I tested with the firewall turned off and nothing changes |
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| 19:09.44 | nvz | zerotime: loud and clear, did you read the /topic? no you didnt. ask again in #mepis. Mepis is not debian, otherwise they would just call it debian |
| 19:09.44 | robin_sz | scorphus: suprised it works at llall with NAT turned off |
| 19:10.10 | scorphus | robin_sz: not the NAT, the Firewall |
| 19:10.16 | ravn | is there any nice visual shell to GCC to write XWin apps? |
| 19:10.27 | GarySaved | it is www.tsfs.org which is a school I attend. It has not displayed since I switched to Linux. |
| 19:10.34 | robin_sz | scorphus: ok, relace the word firewall in my first posting with NAT |
| 19:10.42 | nvz | emfpilot: 127.0.0.1/8 or ~/ ..etc |
| 19:10.47 | scorphus | robin_sz: ok, already did it |
| 19:10.49 | Azar | is there any different command besides apt-get , and if there is what is it different from apt-get ? |
| 19:11.04 | emfpilot | nvz: heh ;) |
| 19:11.06 | sewoyl | ravn, I like anjuta in gnome |
| 19:11.07 | directhex | ravn, erm... i think there are some kde IDE's with form editors, and there's Glade for GTK |
| 19:11.10 | nvz | Azar: aptitude |
| 19:11.14 | valdyn_ | ravn: anjuta ( gtk ), kdevelop ( kde ) |
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| 19:11.43 | Azar | nvz I allways and only used apt-get so far , is there any other command that has a better? different ? use? |
| 19:11.46 | nvz | Azar: aptitude without arguments starts an interactive package manager, it can also be used as a drop in replacement for apt-get or apt-cache on the command line |
| 19:11.54 | scorphus | robin_sz: what is strange is that when using port 21 everything works well |
| 19:11.57 | robin_sz | scorphus: most protocols open a single path through the NAT, FTP needs to open the control path, and then the NAT path, most NAT routers have a 'helper' to establish a data path whenever they see the control path open up, some dont .. then you have trouble |
| 19:12.10 | directhex | nvz, i dispute that. aptitude remove --purge foo throws an error. |
| 19:12.19 | nvz | Azar: aptitude is a more advanced package manager |
| 19:12.44 | Azar | oh yes ofcourse apt-get install, apg-get cache, apt-get search... |
| 19:12.46 | directhex | is aptitude in woody? Azar's on woody. |
| 19:12.50 | jstevens | Azar: there is also dselect, which I tend to prefer. |
| 19:12.50 | nvz | directhex: ok, well you have to type "aptitude purge foo" its less typing |
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| 19:12.59 | robin_sz | scorphus: port 21 is control, port 20 is data |
| 19:12.59 | Azar | sure it is, directhex :) |
| 19:13.00 | nvz | !info aptitude woody |
| 19:13.02 | nvz | directhex: yes |
| 19:13.05 | directhex | nvz, but it's not drop-in |
| 19:13.12 | scorphus | robin_sz: but when using port 2121, nothing |
| 19:13.13 | dpkg | aptitude: (curses-based apt frontend), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.11.1-4 (woody), Packaged size: 889 kB, Installed size: 3136 kB |
| 19:13.18 | jaro | directhex: actually I have only the rpm which doesn't seem to work well. |
| 19:13.22 | Azar | ah dselect! :) any hint on this one? never used it |
| 19:13.23 | nvz | directhex: ok, whatever :) |
| 19:13.35 | helix | Azar: my hint: don't use dselect |
| 19:13.50 | nvz | Azar: dselect is another interactive package manager, its somewhat old and evil |
| 19:13.52 | Azar | helix so I read on the manuals for beginners as well: no dselect |
| 19:13.57 | directhex | jaro, no shit. go to the vmware support area & get the tarball. |
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| 19:14.01 | robin_sz | scorphus: like I told you, the NAT probably has a helper watchin on port 21 that doesnt work when you use 2121 becaus e thats not he normal FTP port |
| 19:14.07 | Azar | what about dpkg? what that does? |
| 19:14.25 | nvz | Azar: dpkg is the debian package tool, all the others are just frontends to dpkg |
| 19:14.26 | GarySaved | Could there be something the site is written in that is not normal? |
| 19:14.30 | valdyn_ | Azar: dselect is _not_ for beginners, you will just get into trouble w/o carefully reading its docs |
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| 19:14.50 | Azar | valdyn, so I heard myself too |
| 19:14.51 | nvz | Azar: they extend its abilities by enabling you to fetch the packages from sources and such then hand them to dpkg to do the dirty work |
| 19:14.54 | scorphus | robin_sz: got it, thanks |
| 19:15.10 | jstevens | valdyn_: that's interesting.. I started on dselect (once I saw the light and switched to debian) |
| 19:15.20 | jariep1_ | what is the path to a cd-rom drive in debian, is it /mnt/media ? |
| 19:15.29 | Azar | nvz so in what instance I could make use of dpkg? |
| 19:15.36 | abrotman | jariep1_: check your fstab |
| 19:15.46 | valdyn_ | jstevens: so did I. |
| 19:15.49 | nvz | Azar: dpkg does the actual installing, unpacking, configuring of packages, as well as you can list installed packages, or installed files of a package |
| 19:15.55 | paulswm | GarySaved: It doesn't display for me in Firefox on sarge, the source says Frontpage, it's prolly non satndard and may only work with IE, assuming it *does* work with IE. |
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| 19:16.15 | nvz | Azar: apt-get is just a frontend that caches sources of cdroms or http/ftp sites and fetches packages for dpkg to work with |
| 19:16.25 | Azar | jariep1_ : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 19:16.25 | GarySaved | paulswm, Yes, it did work in IE. Thank You. |
| 19:16.26 | nvz | Azar: you already use it you just dont see it |
| 19:16.28 | jstevens | valdyn_: not sure why you would say it's not for beginners (although I'm open to hearing) |
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| 19:16.50 | Azar | nvz, oh I see.. |
| 19:16.54 | valdyn_ | jstevens: select gnome, type -, hit enter, hit enter |
| 19:16.56 | paulswm | GarySaved: I'm goin to reboot a laptop and try it in Firefox on XP, that'll at least reduce the possibilities |
| 19:17.11 | nvz | Azar: no, you don't see. Thats why you asked .. heh |
| 19:17.15 | GarySaved | paulswm, O.K. Thanks. |
| 19:17.21 | valdyn_ | jstevens: err wrong, select libglib insted of gnome |
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| 19:17.29 | dEa | hello |
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| 19:17.42 | dEa | whitch is newest php packet for debian |
| 19:17.47 | Azar | nvz :) |
| 19:17.53 | dEa | i need better than php4 |
| 19:18.00 | jstevens | valdyn_: I dont' use gnome ... but OK, I see your point, waay to easy to un-install stuff you don't really want un-installed. |
| 19:18.01 | nvz | !info php5 |
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| 19:18.10 | PerfDave | dEa: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:18.17 | dEa | !info php4.3.10 |
| 19:18.18 | robin_sz | what does sd_mod do in the kernel? |
| 19:18.21 | valdyn_ | jstevens: hehe, sure i didnt want you to remove whole gnome ) |
| 19:18.22 | Azar | I am just using apt-get (option) whenever I need and most never use dpkg |
| 19:18.23 | dEa | php4 |
| 19:18.24 | dEa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:18.41 | nvz | dEa: packages.debian.org searches debians official repositories |
| 19:18.48 | abrotman | there is no php5 in debian . #php said it wasn't stable enough |
| 19:18.57 | nvz | dEa: apt-get.org finds unofficial repositories |
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| 19:19.06 | PerfDave | dEa: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:19.10 | abrotman | they said anyone truly serious about thier webapp wouldn't use php5 or some nonsense |
| 19:19.12 | dEa | php4 |
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| 19:19.16 | possie | how can i tunnel a certain service through ssh? cause i'm at a remote lan where the blocked irc access, so now i'm logged in via ssh on a other box, but i would like to run xchat on my client behind the firewall, i thought it was possible to tunnel my traffic trough a ssh tunnel right? |
| 19:19.17 | PerfDave | dEa: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:19.19 | abrotman | what's wrong with php4? |
| 19:19.20 | dEa | yeah thanks duden |
| 19:19.22 | dEa | newest |
| 19:19.24 | dEa | stable |
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| 19:19.33 | abrotman | so php4.0.3 ? |
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| 19:19.53 | PerfDave | dEa: If you're running Woody, it will *never* have PHP5 because Woody doesn't get version updates, only security updates. |
| 19:20.00 | dEa | i dont know better.. apt-et php4 i wirte there :D |
| 19:20.02 | PerfDave | dEa: When Sarge goes stable, it may have php5, dunno. |
| 19:20.07 | abrotman | dEa: dpkg -l php4 |
| 19:20.12 | stew | PerfDave: doubtful |
| 19:20.12 | abrotman | PerfDave: not likely |
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| 19:20.24 | PerfDave | abrotman: You say that about everything though ;) |
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| 19:20.35 | nvz | if people don't quit dreaming up questionable packages to sarge it will never go stable |
| 19:20.47 | abrotman | PerfDave: when you go to #php .. and they say php5 isn't very stable . i'll stick with not likely |
| 19:20.51 | PerfDave | possie: It is possible. The easiest way is to run irssi on a remote box and use it as a proxy. |
| 19:21.01 | PerfDave | abrotman: Hey, I don't use PHP, I don't give a toss. |
| 19:21.01 | paulswm | GarySaved: It displays in IE, of course, doesn't display in Firefox on XP which indicates that it's not a Linux problem. There are a few sites which won't display in Firefox and I would bet it's because they don't conform to standards. |
| 19:21.26 | lotusleaf | dvs: grumpysmurfbot? |
| 19:21.27 | PerfDave | possie: The option you want for ssh is -L |
| 19:21.43 | possie | PerfDave but i would like to use euhm other services as well like skype etc |
| 19:21.48 | PerfDave | abrotman: Uhm, please don't say that to a brit. |
| 19:21.52 | robin_sz | dvs: I am beginning to think the same ... the bug count is stuck around 100, it wont go down until woody is "less supported" |
| 19:21.56 | possie | PerfDave okee let me look at the man page of ssh thanks |
| 19:21.57 | abrotman | paulswm: frontpage fills pages with crap |
| 19:22.05 | nvz | paulswm: sure, they dont conform to MSIE standards, which is let any foreign code on the web run wild as superuser on my box |
| 19:22.07 | PerfDave | possie: I have no idea about skype. I thought it was designed to break through firewalls. |
| 19:22.11 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i love you too |
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| 19:22.23 | GarySaved | paulswm, O.K. Thanks. I'll send them a complaint. |
| 19:22.30 | paulswm | abrotman, nvz , don't tell me, tell GarySaved :) |
| 19:22.45 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: please remember to cleanup with a kleenex afterwards, please dont leave it an the floor of the channel |
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| 19:22.54 | paulswm | GarySaved: Good luck with that, don't hold your breath :) |
| 19:22.56 | dEa | abrotman: php4 4.1.2-7.0.1 |
| 19:22.57 | nvz | its the idiots who design web pages who don't follow any sane standard |
| 19:23.12 | possie | PerfDave can i tunnel all my traffic through that tunnel btw? or only per service ? e.g. for irc a tunnel, msn a tunnel ? |
| 19:23.17 | greycat | Hmm, not too bad. The 'nv' driver is even adequate for our application. |
| 19:23.19 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: I'm sure abrotman has dedicated items of clothing for this. |
| 19:23.35 | dEa | abrotman: can i make that never ? |
| 19:23.40 | greycat | One more laptop converted to a dual-boot Windows/Debian box. |
| 19:23.44 | GarySaved | paulswm, Hehe ... I won't. |
| 19:23.48 | ricky_clarkson | !prise Phated |
| 19:23.49 | simonrvn | greycat: yay |
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| 19:23.58 | PerfDave | possie: You need one tunnel per TCP port. You might want to look into VPN for something more general purpose. |
| 19:24.05 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: :P |
| 19:24.07 | abrotman | dEa: never what? |
| 19:24.12 | nvz | aha! I knew something was up with greycat.. he's running wintendo, and he lost a few IQ points |
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| 19:24.20 | PerfDave | possie: If you tunnel IRC over SSH, you can use bitlbee to connect to MSN through your IRC client. |
| 19:24.21 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: He's Manx. |
| 19:24.21 | possie | PerfDave and for vpn which product do you recommend? |
| 19:24.49 | debian_novice | could anyone give me some idea where i can find some information on how to upgrade from a testing to a stable version |
| 19:24.49 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: Manx? |
| 19:24.53 | PerfDave | possie: I don't think there are any VPN "products" for linux, it's all done at the native kernel / routing level. |
| 19:24.58 | possie | PerfDave connect to MSN through irc client? :-) cool |
| 19:25.00 | PerfDave | debian_novice: Reinstall |
| 19:25.03 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: google for Manx cat. greycat has no tail! |
| 19:25.12 | debian_novice | and if the the upgrade is not successful..how to go back to the testing version |
| 19:25.16 | debian_novice | ? |
| 19:25.19 | dEa | abrotman: never php |
| 19:25.19 | nvz | oh |
| 19:25.30 | PerfDave | debian_novice: You cannot "upgrade" from Testing to Stable, you have to reinstall with Stable. |
| 19:25.30 | dEa | php4 4.1.2-7.0.1 |
| 19:25.43 | norox | possie, vtun is easy |
| 19:25.48 | dEa | i need newer |
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| 19:26.16 | jstevens | norox: does vtun allow Winblows clients? |
| 19:26.17 | debian_novice | so do i need a new cd image for netinstall if i want to reinstall from testing to stable? |
| 19:26.31 | abrotman | !info php4 woody |
| 19:26.32 | PerfDave | debian_novice: There are no official netinstall CDs for Stable. |
| 19:26.36 | dpkg | php4: (A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.2-7.0.1 (woody), Packaged size: 569 kB, Installed size: 1369 kB |
| 19:26.37 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: he's been asking strange questions latly as though he were either stupified, or messing with foreign hardware... But its all clear to me now.. wintendo has that effect on people. |
| 19:26.40 | paulswm | debian_novice: testing is an upgrade from stable. You are running sarge(testing) now? |
| 19:26.45 | greycat | nvz: I've been doing these laptop conversions for a couple years now. |
| 19:26.50 | debian_novice | yes |
| 19:26.51 | abrotman | dEa: unless you go to backports .. or upgrade to sarge .. no .. why do you need a newer version? |
| 19:26.58 | greycat | nvz: Each one is unique. Like a snowflake. Or a traffic accident. |
| 19:26.58 | quitte | vdr seems to have ignored the presence of channels.conf in /etc/vdr/ . the vdr package doesn't explain very well how to set it up. a lot of guessing and it still doesn'T work. I'm seriously considering just using vdr from source. anyone here that got it working with the debs? |
| 19:27.10 | PerfDave | dEa: You could hand-compile php5 in /usr/local. |
| 19:27.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:27.23 | debian_novice | could you tell me how to modify the sourcelist? |
| 19:27.29 | dEa | abrotman one website need better :( |
| 19:27.32 | abrotman | apt-setup is one way |
| 19:27.36 | abrotman | dEa: define better!! |
| 19:27.40 | nvz | greycat: more like a traffic accident :) |
| 19:27.42 | norox | jstevens, don't know, I don't use windows |
| 19:27.43 | paulswm | debian_novice: You'd have to do a reinstall, and if you are running a desktop, it's is a Bad Idea(tm) |
| 19:27.46 | dEa | PerfDave i that hard.. |
| 19:27.50 | abrotman | dEa: why does it need a newer version ? |
| 19:27.52 | ^c | or handcompile and install with checkinstall, I think there are php5 debs somewhere though |
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| 19:28.09 | abrotman | dEa: is there a newer function you need? |
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| 19:28.22 | stew | dotdeb.org has php5 debs, (and updated php4 debs which is probably a much more sane idea) |
| 19:28.23 | dEa | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: array_change_key_case() in /home/www/public_html/includes/mambo.php on line 15 |
| 19:28.29 | jstevens | norox: fair enough... unfortunately I have a few winblows clients so I'm gonna have to do some resarch on that :-) |
| 19:28.33 | abrotman | dEa: moment |
| 19:28.37 | dEa | one guy told it need newer php |
| 19:28.39 | Bibble | hey guys, anyone know how i can pptp to a server? a uncomplicated pptp client, basically, that accepts just server, usname and pwd and domain, thats all i need to implement |
| 19:28.47 | paulswm | debian_novice: Or do you mean you want to go from testing to UNstable? Becuase, if you are new to this, or even if you aren't, that is also not a good idea |
| 19:28.47 | emfpilot | debian_novice: vi /etc/apt/source.list |
| 19:28.47 | dEa | abrotman: 0k |
| 19:28.49 | debian_novice | my sources.list says this now : deb http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ testing main |
| 19:28.55 | abrotman | dEa: you would .. it's only in 4.2.x and newer |
| 19:28.57 | stew | dEa: dotdeb.org or backports.org |
| 19:28.59 | PerfDave | dEa: I have no idea how hard it is, I don't use PHP. |
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| 19:29.18 | abrotman | dEa: what app are you trying to run .. why not use strtolower() or whatever it is |
| 19:29.23 | greycat | nvz: The guy whose laptop this is brought it to me and said, "It's just like B___'s." Well, hers is a Dell with a high-end ATI Radeon chipset in it, and I ended up using upstream XFree86 4.4.0 binaries on it because NOTHING, NOTHING else worked. (This was before sarge had quite such a recent XFree86.) This one has an nVidia 5200. |
| 19:29.25 | nvz | greycat: seems like R&D for laptops focuses on weight, heat, power consumption, and anything that is broken in this proccess is masked by software.. makes them a nightmare |
| 19:29.38 | debian_novice | suppose i was using woody..how would i change the sources.list to upgrade to testing version of Sarge? |
| 19:29.39 | dEa | mambo website.. www.mamboserver.com |
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| 19:29.52 | PerfDave | debian_novice: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 19:30.00 | abrotman | dEa: well .. either use backports .. (probably the best idea) or try to compile it yourself .. or move to sarge |
| 19:30.07 | debian_novice | if i wanted to use APT |
| 19:30.09 | paulswm | debian_novice: change 'stable' to 'testing' |
| 19:30.10 | debian_novice | then |
| 19:30.10 | abrotman | !tell dEa about backports |
| 19:30.14 | EdibleText | Bibble, apt-get install pptp-linux |
| 19:30.17 | PerfDave | debian_novice: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 19:30.39 | paulswm | debian_novice: then 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade', and you're on sarge |
| 19:30.40 | robin_sz | dEa: you should keep in mind, PHP is a method for embedding code within your web pages, where as all other rational forms of life are working hard to sperate presentation and code .. php is working hard to intertwine them more tightly. go figure. |
| 19:30.42 | zerotime | hi |
| 19:30.56 | stew | !tell dEa about dotdeb |
| 19:31.11 | zerotime | in the os control center, how do I change the keyboard layout to spanish |
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| 19:31.32 | robin_sz | and dont forget to tell him dotdeb is a bit borked right now too. |
| 19:31.32 | jcuk | ok great, its downloading and installing all of the updates now :)) |
| 19:31.38 | stew | paulswm: dist-upgrade is broken for woody->sarge |
| 19:31.40 | nvz | greycat: my first debian laptop had errors as simple as mismapped keycodes, and as severe as broken IOAPIC that would cause the IDE to go offline and timeout when trying to load anything like sound or usb..etc I spent 8 months getting things to work properly, probably compiled some 500 kernels |
| 19:31.42 | Bibble | EdibleText, i have instlaled it but i can't find it :-S |
| 19:31.52 | paulswm | stew: Crap, I didn't know |
| 19:31.58 | debian_novice | how would i change my source.list file to make sure that it uses testing not stable one? |
| 19:32.00 | Phated | 03:10 < ravn> | is there any nice visual shell to GCC to write XWin apps? |
| 19:32.04 | Phated | Gah. |
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| 19:32.10 | Phated | Sorry, mispaste. |
| 19:32.11 | PerfDave | zerotime: "Regional and Accesibility" -> "Keyboard Layout", assuming you're talking about the KDE control center |
| 19:32.15 | PerfDave | !tell debian_novice about woody->sarge |
| 19:32.15 | greycat | nvz: I probably would've just given up. |
| 19:32.17 | possie | PerfDave: it works greate! :-) |
| 19:32.21 | possie | PerfDave: thanks alot :-) |
| 19:32.26 | paulswm | stew: I'm giving up anyway, he/she obviously isn't listening |
| 19:32.28 | PerfDave | possie: Sweet |
| 19:32.34 | possie | PerfDave: s/alot/a lot/ |
| 19:32.39 | robin_sz | sigh, preidicatbaly, this 2.6 kernel doesnt work on my dell .. the megaraid proble is still there to bite me :( |
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| 19:32.53 | emfpilot | debian_novice: you have been told many times already |
| 19:32.56 | stew | paulswm: either this weeks or last weeks dwn had stuff about it |
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| 19:32.58 | possie | PerfDave: now i'm gonna try msn :-) if my client at least let's my change the login server :-) |
| 19:32.58 | norox | jstevens, if you have an linux computer behind the firewall, you can tell the windows computer to route there traffic through the linux machine vtun |
| 19:33.02 | EdibleText | Bibble, you're on yer own with that.. check /usr/share/doc/; read the man page... |
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| 19:33.18 | lonewolff | i have been using xfcfg to set up my multi monitor system but every time i do it X doesent start after a reboot :( |
| 19:33.24 | stew | paulswm: the recommendation is to use synaptic |
| 19:33.28 | paulswm | stew: Thanks, I feel bad now, I said the same thing to someone earlier |
| 19:33.37 | lonewolff | i assumes the pci id's were the ones displayed in lspci but its appears not |
| 19:33.51 | Bibble | already on the case EdibleText thanks for the advise ;-) |
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| 19:34.44 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 19:34.48 | abrotman | erm ... |
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| 19:34.54 | greycat | !faq debian_novice |
| 19:34.55 | dpkg | hey, abrotman |
| 19:34.57 | dpkg | debian_novice: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:34.58 | EdibleText | Bibble, depending on how the server is configured for authentication you may need to patch the kernel for MPPE support |
| 19:34.59 | dEa | abrotman: may i pm you in private |
| 19:35.00 | abrotman | robin_sz: /msg dpkg dell |
| 19:35.14 | Bibble | thanks :D |
| 19:35.26 | abrotman | dEa: i'd prefer you didn't .. there are far more people in this channel than me .. and that know more about backports than me |
| 19:35.32 | abrotman | dEa: what is your question? |
| 19:35.38 | debian_novice | if i use aptitude should i just replace apt-get with aptitude? |
| 19:35.48 | robin_sz | abrotman: wrong answer .. the dell is fine, its the initrd tools that are broken |
| 19:35.51 | dvs | debian_novice: no |
| 19:35.57 | abrotman | robin_sz: lovely ... |
| 19:36.01 | jstevens | norox: well, the project page for vtun doesnt' have a download for winblows, so looks like you can't use a winblows client to connect to it (from outside) |
| 19:36.03 | abrotman | robin_sz: i thought you were trying to install |
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| 19:36.16 | debian_novice | so the command will not be aptitude update? |
| 19:36.20 | dEa | i changed now my apt.get sources.list and its say now this error apt-get update |
| 19:36.20 | dEa | E: Type 'main' is not known in on line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:36.27 | dvs | debian_novice: no |
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| 19:36.47 | abrotman | dEa: and what would line 2 be? |
| 19:36.50 | dvs | dEa: show line 2 here |
| 19:36.56 | dEa | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 19:36.56 | possie | PerfDave: ow, my msn client (Adium) support tunneling through http per default hehe |
| 19:37.04 | dEa | i put those in my sources.list |
| 19:37.07 | robin_sz | abrotman: I am ... well, I have a 2.4 kernel, but I need a 2.6 kernel and debians initrd tools cant figure out that the 'megaraid2' in 2.4 module changed its name to 'megaraid' in 2.6 |
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| 19:37.25 | abrotman | robin_sz: did you tell #debian-boot ? |
| 19:37.30 | robin_sz | yes |
| 19:37.41 | robin_sz | horms responded too |
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| 19:37.53 | takatumi | debian_novice: aren't you running testing now? |
| 19:37.55 | dvs | dEa: The \ indicate that it's suppose to be one line. Dont put in the \ |
| 19:38.13 | debian_novice | yes..but i need to upgrade another one |
| 19:38.28 | ^c | \\ is bad hear? |
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| 19:38.49 | PerfDave | possie: But then you have people reading your conversations ;) |
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| 19:39.01 | possie_ | PerfDave true! :-) |
| 19:39.05 | dEa | dvs mo \ <<--- this :) |
| 19:39.08 | dEa | no |
| 19:39.19 | possie | PerfDave: that's a good one indeed... i'll figure out the tunneling :-) |
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| 19:39.29 | debian_novice | is there anyway to go back to stable version once the testing one has been installed? |
| 19:39.32 | dvs | dEa: what does line 2 and 3 look like? |
| 19:39.38 | ^c | debian_novice: not really |
| 19:39.38 | lara | Hello I want to execute a command during system startup. How could I do this ? |
| 19:39.39 | dvs | debian_novice: no |
| 19:39.41 | possie | PerfDave: btw do you know a secure way for e-mail acctually? cause they can always see me loggin in via imap |
| 19:39.46 | robin_sz | abrotman: the 2.6 kernel fails to find the megariad2 module on boot, as it actually needs megaraid, so I added it to /etc/initrd/modules, but still no joy |
| 19:40.11 | PerfDave | possie: I use IMAPS for my inbound e-mail. |
| 19:40.27 | robin_sz | possie: use auth_md5 or auth_ssl or any other of the secure email login options |
| 19:40.44 | abrotman | robin_sz: did you try asking #debian-boot ? |
| 19:40.53 | PerfDave | possie: From work, I ssh to my home box, where my GPG key is stored so I can sign stuff. I fetch mail to my home box via IMAPS, and send it out over plain ol' SMTP through my ISP's mailserver, using GnuPG if it's important. |
| 19:40.53 | robin_sz | is there a channel? |
| 19:41.01 | Bibble | hmm has anyone ever heard of kdesu? |
| 19:41.08 | lara | Could I write #!/bin/sh in the first line then my command and put this in a rc?.d ? |
| 19:41.09 | dvs | dEa: don't msg me |
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| 19:41.36 | Bibble | as i am doing an apt-cache search kdesu so i can run something as root that requires so, but erm it isn't available as a package |
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| 19:42.01 | greycat | lara: you could. |
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| 19:42.14 | dvs | dEa: "main" should not be the first word on any line. Lines 1 and 2 are suppose to be one line |
| 19:42.17 | greycat | lara: I'd advise reading /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:42.21 | dvs | dEa: etc. |
| 19:42.26 | lara | greycat: and where must I place it when I want it to be executed before apache starts ? |
| 19:42.30 | PerfDave | Bibble: What do you need to run as root, and why doesn't its package depend on this kdesu? |
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| 19:42.39 | Bibble | PerfDave, the documentation says so |
| 19:42.42 | Bibble | pptpclient |
| 19:42.49 | possie | PerfDave: what do you acctually mean by "inbound e-mail" ? |
| 19:42.58 | Bibble | PerfDave, http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-diagnosis.phtml#x_display is what it says |
| 19:43.10 | PerfDave | Bibble: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:43.14 | Bibble | says to run it as kdesu or ksu if you have it installed, so i went ot install it |
| 19:43.18 | PerfDave | Bibble: Find out what package provides kdesu |
| 19:43.23 | Bibble | thanks |
| 19:43.32 | Bibble | dpkg, said he/she didn't know |
| 19:43.33 | dpkg | Bibble: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:43.33 | PerfDave | possie: From my mail server to my mail client. |
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| 19:44.42 | amahbod | has anyone |
| 19:44.48 | abrotman | amahbod: hell no! |
| 19:44.55 | abrotman | has anyone what? |
| 19:44.56 | amahbod | seen a MystTV package for debian |
| 19:45.07 | abrotman | mythtv? |
| 19:45.12 | dvs | dEa: Do not msg me |
| 19:45.12 | amahbod | myth |
| 19:45.13 | amahbod | my bad |
| 19:45.13 | Bibble | hmm is there something that i can use to run a program as root that requires so, inside X ? |
| 19:45.17 | abrotman | !mythtv |
| 19:45.18 | dpkg | [mythtv] software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. mythtv.org, but freevo is better Sid and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ |
| 19:45.22 | dEa | lov ya ;) |
| 19:45.24 | PerfDave | Bibble: sux |
| 19:45.35 | PerfDave | Why is freevo better than mythtv? |
| 19:45.36 | Bibble | PerfDave, perfect, heard of that before thanks i'll go'n read |
| 19:45.40 | amahbod | freevo is better? |
| 19:45.41 | PerfDave | !sux |
| 19:45.41 | dpkg | i heard sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 19:45.44 | abrotman | PerfDave: ask the factoid author |
| 19:45.56 | abrotman | !factauth mythtv |
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| 19:46.09 | abrotman | dEa: don't fucking msg me .. i already told you not to |
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| 19:46.17 | abrotman | !tell dEa about paste |
| 19:46.18 | dvs | abrotman: same here |
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| 19:46.27 | dEa | dont fucking to me you fucking! |
| 19:46.34 | abrotman | right |
| 19:46.45 | abrotman | there's a good way to get help |
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| 19:47.02 | dEa | allways fucking fucking fucking guys i hate that |
| 19:47.07 | dEa | no fuck ok |
| 19:47.18 | abrotman | are you done yet? |
| 19:47.24 | emfpilot | haha |
| 19:47.36 | Bibble | no fuck? |
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| 19:48.03 | greycat | 14:47 76 dea: ALL |
| 19:48.06 | paulswm | Well I say fuck to no fuck |
| 19:48.15 | dEa | :D no |
| 19:48.21 | Bibble | lol me too |
| 19:48.21 | abrotman | paulswm: cause you're married ... |
| 19:48.24 | dvs | paulswm: fuck that ;-) |
| 19:48.26 | greycat | "no fuck" is an entirely too common state for most. |
| 19:48.45 | paulswm | greycat: priceless |
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| 19:49.25 | abrotman | you fart? |
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| 19:49.44 | jcole | !fuck dEa |
| 19:50.02 | ^c | ewwwwwwwwwww |
| 19:50.03 | mckelveyf | hey, does anyone know how to change the local in Debian Thunderbird? |
| 19:50.10 | dEa | fuck you motherfucker |
| 19:50.16 | abrotman | !motherfucker dea |
| 19:50.20 | abrotman | :( |
| 19:50.22 | dEa | and fuck all fucking fuckers |
| 19:50.30 | abrotman | oh no |
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| 19:50.35 | abrotman | i think he's mad |
| 19:50.38 | greycat | mckelveyf: it doesn't use standard $LANG and so on? |
| 19:50.45 | dEa | youre mother is mad |
| 19:50.54 | abrotman | my mother is dead you insensitive fucktard |
| 19:51.13 | jcole | !love dEa |
| 19:51.26 | dEa | abrotman: im sorry about that man |
| 19:51.31 | abrotman | no you're not .. fuck off |
| 19:51.42 | shakparl | omfg |
| 19:51.45 | Phated | Heh, I was just about to tell abrotman to say fuck off... Go abrotman! |
| 19:51.46 | dEa | yes i am! |
| 19:51.50 | simonrvn | abrotman, dEa: back away from the keyboard... |
| 19:52.09 | mckelveyf | greycat: er... setenv $lang es-ES |
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| 19:52.40 | dEa | why people want get me wrong |
| 19:52.45 | greycat | mckelveyf: are ye DAFT? |
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| 19:52.51 | Phated | Heh. |
| 19:53.01 | greycat | mckelveyf: if you're *actually* using csh, then it's understandable that your brain's been damaged. |
| 19:53.06 | mckelveyf | gretcat: probably |
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| 19:53.13 | zeo33x | whats a good way to express dependency in config file? |
| 19:53.21 | zeo33x | where does debian store this information? |
| 19:53.26 | emfpilot | Jcole has you period |
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| 19:53.30 | PerfDave | zeo33x: /msg dpkg dnm |
| 19:53.31 | greycat | zeo33x: /msg dpkg mg |
| 19:53.36 | amahbod | !freenode freevo |
| 19:53.46 | kirbymeister | csh sucks |
| 19:53.58 | Phated | You probably want !ops freevo, whoever the heck that is. |
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| 19:54.04 | TheBlueWizard | hmm....the foregoing discussion about language selection made me think...what if I marry a girlfriend who speak a different language and she prefers to use Debian in her own language while I prefer to use it in my language, is it possible to set up a dual language Debian system? just wondering |
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| 19:54.12 | abrotman | what is freevo? |
| 19:54.13 | paulswm | It's easy to contract brain damage in IT: csh, pascal, java, Microsoft products... |
| 19:54.17 | amahbod | !freevo |
| 19:54.17 | dpkg | [freevo] software to turn a linux box + tv tuner into a TiVo. freevo.sourceforge.net, but mythtv is better |
| 19:54.18 | greycat | abrotman: /msg dpkg freevo |
| 19:54.19 | nvz | oh well, gotta walk my ass up the street and get a free pizza and some herbs |
| 19:54.23 | PerfDave | TheBlueWizard: Yes, you can set locales on a per-user basis. |
| 19:54.24 | amahbod | WTF. |
| 19:54.36 | dEa | !ibm |
| 19:54.36 | dpkg | methinks ibm is International Business Machines - a very spiffy company - who happens to make AIX, OS/400, OS/2, and other cool operating systems, not to mention some of the most superior hardware on the market.. I Blame Microsoft. I Buy Macintosh |
| 19:54.37 | PerfDave | TheBlueWizard: I used to have a login on a Solaris box in the US which told me the time in GMT ;) |
| 19:54.41 | abrotman | why does Phated want to !ops freevo ? |
| 19:54.42 | mckelveyf | greycat: what should I put? |
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| 19:54.47 | greycat | mckelveyf: are you using csh? |
| 19:55.01 | Phated | abrotman: Cos someone tried to !freenode freevo. |
| 19:55.02 | scorphus | is there anyway to set data port on gFTP? |
| 19:55.02 | amahbod | i tried to install mythtv |
| 19:55.05 | TheBlueWizard | cool re: ability to have more than one languages.... |
| 19:55.07 | abrotman | Phated: oh ok |
| 19:55.11 | amahbod | but the database fails to create |
| 19:55.17 | amahbod | and it seg faults every time it starts |
| 19:55.18 | amahbod | lol |
| 19:55.20 | Phated | abrotman: I dunno, I thought it was a spambot or some shit. |
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| 19:55.25 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:55.26 | dEa | dpkg is very intelengent =) |
| 19:55.26 | dpkg | wish i knew, dEa |
| 19:55.36 | greycat | mckelveyf: look, it's an easy question. if you're not using csh, say "no". |
| 19:55.41 | TheBlueWizard | PerfDave: hehe...so Sun-centric :) |
| 19:55.45 | mckelveyf | greycat: no, bash |
| 19:55.49 | dEa | !debian |
| 19:55.49 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 19:55.49 | kirbymeister | ibm made the PC |
| 19:56.02 | kirbymeister | ibm also makes macintosh chips |
| 19:56.13 | abrotman | kirbymeister: they make PPC .. not specifically mac |
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| 19:56.15 | dafresh_ | 'llo, i have just installed php5 on my apache1.3, how can i test if the module work fine ? |
| 19:56.23 | greycat | mckelveyf: export LANG=whatever |
| 19:56.25 | PerfDave | TheBlueWizard: No, it should work fine on Linux too. |
| 19:56.26 | greycat | mckelveyf: CAPITAL LANG. |
| 19:56.29 | takatumi | nvz: sure you didn't piss? :) |
| 19:56.33 | abrotman | dafresh_: phpinfo() ? |
| 19:56.35 | greycat | no leading $ when SETTING an environment variable. |
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| 19:56.44 | nvz | takatumi: heh, yeah pretty sure. |
| 19:56.50 | paulswm | Actually, IBM made the *crap* pC and commandeered the name, there were better Personal Computers available |
| 19:57.01 | PerfDave | paulswm: Sinclair QL! |
| 19:57.04 | Piru | w00t. my non-macintosh system has a macintosh chip! |
| 19:57.22 | paulswm | Peddle's Sirius 1 (UK) or Victor 9000 (US) for example |
| 19:57.23 | valdyn_ | TheBlueWizard: apt-get install language-env |
| 19:57.29 | nvz | Piru: umm, what in the hell is a macintosh chip? |
| 19:57.37 | mckelveyf | greycat: Thunderbird does not use this variable, I just did echo $LANG and it returned es-ES@AR, which is the locale I want Thunderbird to use |
| 19:57.45 | xai | is there a modified installer that will install to 3w-9xxx without problem? |
| 19:57.48 | amahbod | how do i add a user to my mysql server |
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| 19:57.52 | xai | for sarge .. |
| 19:57.56 | greycat | mckelveyf: then you started Thunderbird from the VERY SAME SHELL where you just set that variable? |
| 19:58.00 | nvz | Piru: you mean a motorolla? |
| 19:58.00 | paulswm | Plus anything not using the crap Intel segmented addressing |
| 19:58.04 | greycat | mckelveyf: or did you launch Thunderbird from some sort of menu? |
| 19:58.40 | valdyn_ | mckelveyf: have in installed the appropriate package to support that language? |
| 19:58.40 | Piru | nvz, relax, it was a joke (ppc or powerpc isn't apple/mac specific) |
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| 19:58.47 | valdyn_ | mckelveyf: have you installed the appropriate package to support that language? |
| 19:58.55 | jcuk | Ok im still having the problem while trying to start the xserver. I did everything i was told to do to upgrade. It downloaded all the testing packages and still no luck same warning and error... |
| 19:59.10 | abrotman | !screw jabber.org |
| 19:59.24 | helix | abrotman: we don't need no hateration |
| 19:59.29 | jcuk | RADEON: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1 ) found |
| 19:59.32 | mckelveyf | valdyn: there is no spanish locale package for Thunderbird 1.0, that I know of |
| 19:59.36 | jcuk | Error: No Devices Found |
| 19:59.56 | mckelveyf | greycat: yes, the first thing it says is Content Locale: en-US |
| 20:00.09 | jcole | jcuk: where did you get your instructions? |
| 20:00.10 | abrotman | helix: i don't think that's a word |
| 20:00.12 | jcuk | When i boot although i have supposedly upgraded it still displays Debian 3.0 instead of debian 3.1 |
| 20:00.16 | jcuk | jcole: Here |
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| 20:00.21 | valdyn_ | mckelveyf: no surprise it doesnt work then |
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| 20:00.36 | dafresh_ | abrotman: ?! |
| 20:00.38 | helix | abrotman: why not? |
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| 20:00.45 | dafresh_ | abrotman: i am not a webmaster ... |
| 20:01.00 | abrotman | dEa: i've told you twice .. don't message me . |
| 20:01.05 | abrotman | dEa: and you do it again? |
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| 20:01.13 | mckelveyf | valdyn_: i know, but I really need to get thunderbird in spanish for this office, I thought I could go around package dependance |
| 20:01.16 | jcuk | jcole: Changed 'stable' to 'testing' in /etc/apt/sources.list then run 'apt-get update' then run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 20:01.18 | abrotman | dEa: i have no standing problem with you .. dpkg told you were to paste your sources |
| 20:01.22 | kirbymeister | en-US? but what if the word is coloUr? |
| 20:01.32 | abrotman | dafresh_: <? phpinfo(); ?> |
| 20:01.32 | dEa | ok thats good. |
| 20:01.34 | greycat | kirbymeister: but that's no word! |
| 20:01.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.55 | abrotman | dEa: but when someone tells you not to msg them .. listen to them |
| 20:02.06 | jakjak | *dpkg*> samba-ldap |
| 20:02.07 | jakjak | *dpkg* i haven't a clue, jakjak |
| 20:02.14 | jakjak | am i doing that right?? |
| 20:02.17 | paulswm | And read the /topic about msg-ing |
| 20:02.23 | greycat | !listkeys ldap |
| 20:02.24 | abrotman | !samba-ldap |
| 20:02.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ldap' by key (7 shown): start an ldap war ;; ldapdns ;; ldap ;; ldap-fix ;; ldapwindows ;; kerberos + ldap ;; openldap. |
| 20:02.30 | jcole | jcuk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:02.33 | abrotman | jakjak: he dont'n know about samba-ldap |
| 20:02.38 | jcuk | jcole: done it already |
| 20:02.44 | jcole | jcuk: remove the PCI bus id options |
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| 20:02.49 | abrotman | that was supposed to be doesn't ... |
| 20:02.50 | abrotman | wow |
| 20:02.51 | jcuk | jcole: already done it |
| 20:02.56 | jakjak | any ideas? |
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| 20:03.16 | jcole | jcuk: did you manually edit your xfree86 config file? |
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| 20:03.39 | jcuk | jcole: no used, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 20:04.19 | jcuk | jcole: It still seems to be runninb Debian 3.0 yet it should be running Debian 3.1 |
| 20:04.23 | jcole | jcuk: fresh install? |
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| 20:04.36 | jcuk | jcole: No i dont know where to get the iso's for sarge |
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| 20:04.52 | jcole | jcuk: when did you install |
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| 20:05.06 | jcuk | jcole: Installed woody yesterday, tried to upgrade today |
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| 20:05.17 | dafresh_ | abrotman: that return me PHP Version 4.3.10-2 but only the php5 is loaded |
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| 20:05.26 | abrotman | dafresh_: apparently not |
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| 20:05.38 | abrotman | dafresh_: that returns whatever version is in use |
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| 20:06.07 | H3RSH3Y | Anyone got some time to help me out? |
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| 20:06.15 | greycat | !tell H3RSH3Y about ask |
| 20:06.33 | paulswm | !nickometer H3RSH3Y |
| 20:06.34 | dpkg | 'H3RSH3Y' is 99.820% lame, paulswm |
| 20:06.34 | mckelveyf | valdyn_:is there any wat to make it work? |
| 20:06.38 | jcole | jcuk: you're better off installing via http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 20:06.41 | dafresh_ | abrotman: i have remove php4 package ... |
| 20:06.47 | abrotman | paulswm: did he beat all of us? |
| 20:06.47 | ce | is there some kind of a rescue image for Debian.. a rescue image that i can use to boot up my linux and install the grub, so i can boot up linux normally |
| 20:06.57 | abrotman | dafresh_: and restarted apache? |
| 20:07.07 | H3RSH3Y | thx Abrotman... but dats not gonna make my problem go away... |
| 20:07.09 | paulswm | abrotman: That has to be pretty close to a high score |
| 20:07.11 | dafresh_ | abrotman: and apache-modconf apache query mod_php5 return mod-php5 |
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| 20:07.14 | dafresh_ | abrotman: yep |
| 20:07.15 | jcole | jcuk: also, type "linux26" to install with 2.6 kernel at the boot screen |
| 20:07.21 | bampfa | im trying to copy only select files from a directory. I want only the directories from [D-Z] but i want to exclude [Tom Something] but keep [Tom Anotherthing]. |
| 20:07.30 | bampfa | im trying 'cp -r [D-Z][!Tom]* /folder' but that gets rid of both Tom folders...any ideas? |
| 20:07.31 | jcole | !tell jcuk about debian installer |
| 20:07.43 | greycat | jcuk: even better advice: when it says "press F1 for help", guess what you should press? |
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| 20:08.06 | H3RSH3Y | Anyone try netinstall with a XirCom card? |
| 20:08.16 | abrotman | dafresh_: apparently you've done something wrong .. did you look for like 'libapache-modphp4' or whatever it's called ? |
| 20:08.21 | greycat | bampfa: [!Tom] is not even CLOSE to being a valid shell glob pattern. |
| 20:08.32 | abrotman | paulswm: you frown because you don't know the answer? |
| 20:08.33 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: wanker? |
| 20:08.34 | ravenbird | well, wanker is giving the palm pilot a flight, massaging Kojak's head. Fuck, someone pass me the tissues. |
| 20:08.35 | stew | H3RSH3Y: yes |
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| 20:08.39 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 20:08.39 | inki | morning |
| 20:08.48 | bampfa | it gets rid of all Tom folders |
| 20:08.55 | bampfa | so it seems close enough...=) |
| 20:08.56 | inki | how do i add php to my standard apache-ssl? |
| 20:09.06 | bampfa | but i need to keep one of them |
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| 20:09.19 | H3RSH3Y | stew: cool... I am trying to netinstall sarge and in the middle of downloading (via FTP or HTTP) my card stops working... |
| 20:09.24 | jcuk | jcole: ok can i download that iso and burn to cd then use it for a net install? |
| 20:09.27 | inki | anyone? |
| 20:09.32 | bampfa | im sorry ive looked for wildcards,exclusions, ranges, etc on google for quite a while...i just cant find the right syntax |
| 20:09.32 | greycat | bampfa: [!Tom] matches any single character that is a "!" or "T" or "o" or "m". |
| 20:09.38 | stew | H3RSH3Y: try a different card |
| 20:09.47 | jsumners | would someone with epiphany-browser installed, from sid, visit a site with flash (like rathergood.com) and tell me if the browser crashes? |
| 20:09.52 | paulswm | abrotman: yes, pressing F1 for help when it says 'Press F1 for help' is really HARD |
| 20:09.54 | bampfa | ! means exclusion, no? |
| 20:09.54 | stew | H3RSH3Y: are you sure its not a problem with your network? |
| 20:09.57 | H3RSH3Y | stew: hahah ... thx... but don't have that option right now... |
| 20:09.58 | greycat | bampfa: ^ |
| 20:10.01 | abrotman | !be an F1 barbie |
| 20:10.01 | ali7288 | hello, when i play unreal tournament the sound skips... did anyone have this problem and how did you fix it? |
| 20:10.02 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 20:10.08 | jcole | jcuk: ya, you'll get the latest sarge installed and everything should auto-detect |
| 20:10.17 | H3RSH3Y | I'm sure... I have several workstations on that network with no issues... |
| 20:10.19 | jcuk | jcole: Thanks man :)) |
| 20:10.31 | greycat | bampfa: [^Tom] matches any SINGLE CHARACTER that is not a "T" or "o" or "m". In other words, space, tab, 1, 7, *, newline, etc. Everything BUT "T" or "o" or "m". |
| 20:10.34 | stew | H3RSH3Y: i've never had that problem, you might ask in #debian-boot if its a known problem (but its probably not) |
| 20:10.42 | greycat | You CANNOT EXCLUDE WORDS using shell glob patterns. It's just impossible. |
| 20:11.07 | H3RSH3Y | STEW: do you know if APM would power down the PCMCIA bus? |
| 20:11.14 | inki | i know there is a way to add php to the standard debian apache-ssl but i forgot how :( |
| 20:11.26 | bampfa | hm. So how would i copy everything from D-Z while excluding a single folder? |
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| 20:11.46 | stew | H3RSH3Y: i'm pretty sure it wouldn't |
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| 20:11.47 | greycat | bampfa: for i in [D-Z]*; do [[ $i = *Tom* ]] || ....; done |
| 20:11.49 | paulswm | bampfa: run it though 'grep -v' |
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| 20:12.05 | H3RSH3Y | STEW: during the install, my screen turns off (assuming via APM) ... |
| 20:12.08 | paulswm | or what greycat said |
| 20:12.14 | jstevens | inki: do you have php working on non-ssl http? |
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| 20:12.17 | stew | H3RSH3Y: ask in #debian-boot |
| 20:12.23 | H3RSH3Y | STEW: thx |
| 20:12.26 | greycat | or turn on extglob and use the fancy extglob features. |
| 20:12.37 | abrotman | stew: WHEN DID YOU CHANGE YOUR NICK? |
| 20:12.41 | abrotman | damn it .. |
| 20:12.44 | paulswm | or use find |
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| 20:12.46 | greycat | abrotman: haha |
| 20:12.49 | stew | hah |
| 20:13.13 | schneiderj | thank at all : from Sunday I was trying to install Debian, but with problem with my video card... |
| 20:13.54 | schneiderj | you recommand me to use the new version , and that it... it work |
| 20:14.32 | solomon | ot hw question: do SATA drives use the same old power supply connector as IDE drives? |
| 20:14.43 | abrotman | solomon: no |
| 20:14.50 | abrotman | solomon: but you can buy adapters |
| 20:14.54 | dafresh_ | abrotman: i have no php4 lib |
| 20:15.04 | abrotman | dafresh_: well somehow . you still have php4 |
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| 20:15.20 | solomon | abrotman: hrm, the vendor i decided to go with has none.. i wonder |
| 20:15.31 | abrotman | solomon: well .. i know they make them |
| 20:15.34 | dafresh_ | abrotman: yep i have installed php4-common and mysql/ldap support |
| 20:15.52 | dafresh_ | abrotman: and i have use the phpinfo() of phpmyadmin |
| 20:15.52 | hedonick | solomon: AFAIK, some SATA drives use standard connectors... others do not... mine did not and I didn't notice until I got them. doh! |
| 20:15.58 | abrotman | dafresh_: i'd ask #php .. apparently you've done something wrong |
| 20:16.08 | zOap | hey guys, what do you think is the most reliable windows emulator for debian? |
| 20:16.18 | dafresh_ | abrotman: hum ok, thx ;p |
| 20:16.20 | solomon | hedonick, abrotman: happen to know the name for this connector? :) |
| 20:16.43 | abrotman | solomon: uhm .. SATA power converter? |
| 20:17.16 | abrotman | solomon: http://www.firewire-1394.com/sata-power-adapter.htm .. like that |
| 20:17.23 | solomon | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:17.32 | abrotman | solomon: just make sure it's the right gender |
| 20:17.49 | abrotman | solomon: or replace your PSU with one that has the correct adapter |
| 20:17.53 | solomon | hrmm |
| 20:18.00 | infodroid | zOap: try qemu |
| 20:18.07 | debian_novice | does debian come with a java editor and a compiler? |
| 20:18.09 | zOap | infr, ok, thanx:) |
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| 20:18.16 | solomon | one of the sites mentioning the hd i'm getting said it required a 4-pin power connector |
| 20:18.20 | solomon | that must be the old type |
| 20:18.22 | slocate | h |
| 20:18.23 | greycat | debian_novice: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:18.24 | Herodias | hey i have a amd64 with debian distro do i have to download i386 ??? |
| 20:18.26 | greycat | debian_novice: /topic |
| 20:18.26 | solomon | i think i'll check the hitachi site |
| 20:18.33 | greycat | Herodias: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 20:18.42 | possie | doesn't 1000Mbit have Full Duplex or something? cause in the bios of my Broadcom Tigon3 cards i can only for 10mbit FD 10mbit hd, 100mbit fd and 100mbit hd, not 1000mbit fd or hd, i have exact the same problem in my 3com switch |
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| 20:19.35 | slocate | hello |
| 20:19.42 | greycat | !tell bampfa about msg |
| 20:19.54 | greycat | bampfa: /topic #bash |
| 20:20.06 | greycat | bampfa: start reading. you may finish by easter. |
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| 20:20.24 | stew | it's like mcdonalds was giving out free retard sandwhiches today |
| 20:20.25 | stew | grr |
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| 20:20.33 | shakparl | how do i find out what's "blocking my sound card" |
| 20:20.42 | abrotman | stew: i got three!! |
| 20:20.42 | shakparl | can't run xmms |
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| 20:20.55 | greycat | shakparl: fuser, lsof |
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| 20:20.56 | jcuk | Hopefully ill like debian once i get it working !!!! |
| 20:21.03 | greycat | shakparl: odds are it's esd. |
| 20:21.06 | debian_novice | what command can i use to find out whether i am using woody or sarge? |
| 20:21.11 | greycat | debian_novice: cat /etc/debian_versoin |
| 20:21.13 | slocate | lol |
| 20:21.14 | greycat | debian_novice: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:21.28 | jstevens | shakparl: you using alsa? |
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| 20:21.38 | solomon | hedonick: btw, you didn't happen to go to your local dumb computer store looking for a power adapter and find one, did you? :) |
| 20:21.41 | shakparl | jstevens: esd |
| 20:21.43 | debian_novice | 3.1 is sarge |
| 20:21.43 | jcuk | debian_novice: Doesent it tell you when you boot? Debian 3.0 is Woody and Debian 3.1 is Sarge |
| 20:21.44 | MagicalAngel | ello |
| 20:21.49 | debian_novice | ok |
| 20:22.24 | jstevens | shakparl: I just had to fight through this on my laptop, so I might be able to assist |
| 20:22.24 | jcuk | Does anyone play FPS Games on Linux Via WINE? |
| 20:22.24 | MagicalAngel | someone here wouldnt happen to have cedega would they? |
| 20:22.32 | jstevens | shakparl: laptop or desktop? |
| 20:22.37 | bampfa | thanks for the....help? yeah... |
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| 20:22.56 | shakparl | jstevens: laptop; never mind another xmms was blocking - thx anyway! |
| 20:23.06 | jstevens | shakparl: LOL, cool |
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| 20:23.13 | jstevens | shakparl: 'enjoy |
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| 20:23.44 | Yaroon | Hmm... Just installed kernel 2.6.8 and X won't start anymore... Failed to load core devices... Can't open /dev/psaux (the mouse) |
| 20:23.47 | greycat | 'another xmms'? |
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| 20:24.10 | greycat | it's damned hard to run two separate xmms processes at the same time unless you start two X sessions |
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| 20:24.28 | MagicalAngel | *sigh* i am having a hell of a time getting the drivers for my video card to work |
| 20:24.28 | greycat | Yaroon: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
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| 20:24.35 | Yaroon | OKies. |
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| 20:25.38 | MagicalAngel | stupid radeon 9600 baka baka baka |
| 20:25.40 | bampfa | i have a few books on bash scripting that i havent gotten around to reading for a reason...you couldnt just tell me the syntax of what i should type? i need this for this specific instance while im here at work and cant exactly read through shell scripting books right now...=\ |
| 20:26.00 | jcuk | MagicalAngel: Which version of Debian? |
| 20:26.16 | MagicalAngel | the newest |
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| 20:26.21 | MagicalAngel | i have a laptop |
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| 20:26.37 | jcuk | MagicalAngel: I have a 9600XT that wont work on Woody. I suppose its Sarge you have? |
| 20:26.46 | infodroid | Yaroon: also AllowMouseOpenFail in your XF86Config-4 may help sometimes |
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| 20:27.17 | MagicalAngel | hell if i am using windows even the drivers off the ati website wot work for my cars |
| 20:27.18 | Yaroon | I don't even seem to have /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 20:27.22 | MagicalAngel | card* |
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| 20:27.35 | jcuk | MagicalAngel: Go and use windows then. |
| 20:27.40 | Luckundea | hi all... I have a question but my english is too bad, someone speak spanish ? |
| 20:27.53 | MagicalAngel | ummm |
| 20:28.04 | jcuk | MagicalAngel: Ohhhh WONT work |
| 20:28.04 | MagicalAngel | i said they DONT work |
| 20:28.08 | MagicalAngel | lol |
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| 20:28.18 | {slocate} | l |
| 20:28.23 | jcuk | MagicalAngel: Correct your typos and i wouldent have to interpret what your saying ;) |
| 20:28.25 | lobomufas | Luckundea: /join #debian-es ;) |
| 20:28.26 | Omo1 | hola |
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| 20:28.43 | Luckundea | Omo1 hablas español ? |
| 20:28.50 | Omo1 | nope :) |
| 20:28.56 | MagicalAngel | i have get the drivers off the laptop makers site |
| 20:29.01 | jcuk | MagicalAngel: Id goto your Laptop Vendor or ATI Forums if the drivers dont work on window seither |
| 20:29.01 | Luckundea | juaz ! |
| 20:29.03 | Luckundea | :P |
| 20:29.05 | chealer | !es |
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| 20:29.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:29.25 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 20:29.31 | jcuk | MagicalAngel: If its a 9600 Mobility id goto an ATI Forum |
| 20:29.57 | Luckundea | gracias dpkg voy a #debian-es |
| 20:30.05 | jcuk | brb |
| 20:30.11 | Luckundea | thanks ;) |
| 20:30.13 | robin_sz | abrotman: #debian-boot were no help, silence is their watch word |
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| 20:30.22 | abrotman | robin_sz: hmm .. they might be napping |
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| 20:30.49 | robin_sz | abrotman: maybe I should try again and type in ALL CAPS to wake them? |
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| 20:31.10 | Phated | They're cranky when they wake. |
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| 20:31.13 | MagicalAngel | welll i can get them to work on windows but i have to use the drivers from averatec's website not the ones from the ati website there in lies the problem because if the normal ati drivers in windows dont see the card how will the drivers in linux be able to |
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| 20:31.24 | Omo1 | so what's going on in here? |
| 20:31.43 | vorlon | robin_sz: #debian-boot is a devel channel for the new installer, it is not a forum for asking questions about booting your system. |
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| 20:32.06 | chealer | Omo1: random people say stuff :) |
| 20:32.08 | bing | does anybody have a system where `getfattr -d somefile` *works* ? |
| 20:32.15 | nvz | I thought I was about to get in my first texas brawl a minute ago.. dude looked like L.L. Cool J. was eye'n me up like he knew me or something, then started following me |
| 20:32.20 | joebob2000 | is there a package i can use in woody to get a ttf set installed on the system? there are no x components on there as of yet |
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| 20:32.23 | robin_sz | vorlon: that would explain why they paid no attention then, |
| 20:32.29 | Phated | nvz: What happened then? |
| 20:32.30 | vorlon | robin_sz: yes. |
| 20:32.36 | greycat | nvz: so you made a pass at him and he ran away in horror? |
| 20:32.40 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 20:32.46 | vorlon | abrotman: so please don't point people to #debian-boot for stuff not related to d-i. |
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| 20:32.59 | nvz | Phated: I walked my ass home and didnt say anything.. if I wasnt so out of shape I would be a little cockier |
| 20:33.03 | robin_sz | vorlon: you expect them to pay some attention to a fatal bug that prevents a common system booting/installing with the new kernel no? |
| 20:33.06 | Phated | nvz: Hah. |
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| 20:33.10 | infodroid | joebob2000: what are you talking about |
| 20:33.25 | nvz | greycat: heh, I didn't even think of it.. but I'll keep that in mind next time |
| 20:33.25 | d0ugie | re all - do i have to be root to install gallery? |
| 20:33.58 | joebob2000 | infodroid: a simple way to get ttf support in woody |
| 20:34.09 | infodroid | joebob2000: why don't you have ttf support in woody? |
| 20:34.09 | Phated | nvz: "Be careful what you wish for", or in this case, what you make a pass for... He might just accept. |
| 20:34.19 | vorlon | robin_sz: no, because answering random non-installer questions there encourages others to come asking and dilutes the utility of the channel. |
| 20:34.24 | greycat | Phated: heh |
| 20:34.27 | nvz | Phated: I strech and work out at least twice a day, so I didnt think I was out of shape.. but the little bit of walking around town I have been doing has my calf muscles all tightend up.. so I am apperently not in as good shape as I thought |
| 20:34.30 | Phated | greycat: :) |
| 20:34.30 | robin_sz | so ... quaick sanity check, assuming ive made a new initrd.img, I modify grub/menu.lst and run grub-install |
| 20:34.34 | joebob2000 | infodroid: because `locate ttf' returns 0 results |
| 20:34.35 | gtigene | Does anyone know how to make a boot recovery disk after Linux is already installed. I tried mkboot -i and it didn't make a diskette. |
| 20:34.37 | Phated | nvz: Heh. |
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| 20:34.59 | nvz | Phated: I must be gettin old |
| 20:35.01 | khanman | robin_sz, yes they would much rather just sit there idle |
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| 20:35.13 | Phated | nvz: Compared to me, you all here are ooooold. |
| 20:35.15 | Phated | ;) |
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| 20:35.33 | Omo1 | Phated : how old? |
| 20:35.37 | robin_sz | so ... quaick sanity check, assuming ive made a new initrd.img, I modify grub/menu.lst and run grub-install |
| 20:35.38 | infodroid | joebob2000: i don't know what you're problem is |
| 20:35.42 | nvz | Phated: if I compared myself to you I would be more than just old.. so lets not go there |
| 20:35.44 | joebob2000 | infodroid: thanks anyway |
| 20:35.46 | asuffield | she's like, 6 or something |
| 20:35.46 | aidehua | Is there a way in which I could get a list of the packages I installed on my system in order of the date I installed them? |
| 20:35.48 | Phated | (See I -knew- that was gonna happen.) |
| 20:35.51 | Phated | Omo1: 16. |
| 20:35.51 | abrotman | vorlon: it was |
| 20:35.53 | Phated | nvz: L( |
| 20:35.56 | Phated | Er, :) |
| 20:35.59 | aidehua | Damnit! ls -lart /usr/share/doc |
| 20:36.06 | abrotman | vorlon: or my understanding was that it was |
| 20:36.09 | aidehua | I hate it when I ask a question then immediately know the answer :) |
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| 20:36.13 | Phated | asuffield: Why do you already pop up when someone inquires as to my age, eh? :) |
| 20:36.20 | Bytewalker | what package is the mkfs.vfat or whatever in? |
| 20:36.22 | greycat | aidehua: this one's better: ls -lart /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 20:36.23 | Omo1 | Phated , yikes. |
| 20:36.23 | Phated | Er... WTF, s/already/always/ |
| 20:36.24 | abrotman | vorlon: i thought robin_sz was trying to install |
| 20:36.31 | greycat | Bytewalker: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:36.32 | Phated | Christ, I gotta get to bed. |
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| 20:36.38 | abrotman | vorlon: apologies |
| 20:36.38 | asuffield | Phated: you're always busy flirting at around the time of day I stop doing anything resembling work |
| 20:36.47 | Phated | asuffield: I'm not flirting. :) |
| 20:36.48 | aidehua | greycat: thanks -- that is better |
| 20:36.52 | humbolt | having a dns server behind a NATing firewall with PAT to that server does not work by concept of dns using UDP and therefore NAT not knowing where the answer package goes, RIGHT?? |
| 20:37.00 | Yaroon | Does anyone here have a xircom PCMCIA nic? |
| 20:37.01 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: how long after you wake up is this? |
| 20:37.07 | vorlon | robin_sz: anyway, for your particular problem, I would expect editing /etc/mkinitrd/modules to add your module name, setting MODULES=dep in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf *should* give you the right behavior, AFAIK. |
| 20:37.10 | Phated | asuffield: Besides, since when do you -start- doing anything resembling work? |
| 20:37.13 | nvz | hah |
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| 20:37.24 | robin_sz | modules=DEP |
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| 20:37.26 | robin_sz | right .. |
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| 20:37.26 | nvz | hehe |
| 20:37.28 | infodroid | aidehua: nope, apt doesn't keep track. maybe you can sort /var/cache/apt/archive by creation date |
| 20:37.34 | robin_sz | vorlon: ta |
| 20:37.35 | Bytewalker | thanx foundn it it was dosfstools |
| 20:37.36 | vorlon | abrotman: ok, sure. |
| 20:37.39 | Bytewalker | THANX!!! |
| 20:37.40 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: about 8 hours :P |
| 20:37.41 | Phated | <yawn> <turns off alarm> "Well, there's mah work done!" <snore> |
| 20:37.44 | abrotman | vorlon: i sense skepticism |
| 20:37.49 | asuffield | Phated: bite me |
| 20:38.06 | aidehua | Next question: why did Heinz change the recipe for their oxtail soup such that it tastes like kidneys |
| 20:38.07 | greycat | wow, she's easy. |
| 20:38.13 | humbolt | is there any chance to have a dns server behind a NAT?? |
| 20:38.19 | Phated | greycat: Pffft. |
| 20:38.21 | vorlon | robin_sz: I'm not 100% sure that will actually cause the module to be loaded from the initrd; but I hope so, because if it doesn't, the stuff you have to do to force it loading is *really* arcane. |
| 20:38.28 | greycat | humbolt: what would be the point of that? "yes, if you forward udp/53" |
| 20:38.30 | asuffield | greycat: good point. this has potential |
| 20:38.46 | Phated | asuffield: You have all the lesbo porn you need, no one wants to see men in porn. |
| 20:38.47 | abrotman | vorlon: erm .. anyways .. sorry again .. i thought robin_sz was still in the instlal process |
| 20:38.56 | greg_work | # /var/qmail/bin/qmHandle -l | grep "failure notice" Binary file (standard input) matches .. how can I fix that? why does grep think that's a binary stream? |
| 20:38.57 | Phated | asuffield: We can dress you up, though... ;) |
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| 20:39.04 | vorlon | abrotman: no, I was just acknowledging your statement. apologies aren't necessary, I'm just trying to cut down on the amount of off-topic questions that wander over there. |
| 20:39.06 | robin_sz | vorlon: I hope so too .. presumably I can mount the initrd image via loop as a ro filesystem and check |
| 20:39.14 | vorlon | yeah. |
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| 20:39.33 | Phated | Omo1: yikes? |
| 20:39.36 | abrotman | vorlon: right .. i only try to send install issues there .. but i suppose i can make a mistake once in a while :) |
| 20:39.38 | greycat | greg_work: apparently there are some non-printable chars in the first part of the stream. |
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| 20:39.45 | asuffield | I'll have you know that I do not do cosplay :P |
| 20:39.57 | gtigene | Does anyone know how to make a boot recovery disk after Linux is already installed. I tried mkboot -i and it didn't make a diskette. |
| 20:40.00 | Phated | asuffield: It's -drag-, not cosplay. Don't make me RMSsmite you. :) |
| 20:40.02 | Omo1 | Phated : Young, man - young. |
| 20:40.06 | humbolt | greycat: the point would be that I have only one IP and that is the one of the router that does not have a dns (except forwarding). but do the answer packages find their way back? |
| 20:40.12 | Phated | Omo1: 16 is not -young-. |
| 20:40.27 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Ooooh! |
| 20:40.27 | greycat | Phated: is so. |
| 20:40.27 | [ArmanAGA] | ..... i couldn't mount my cd rom drive while installing sarge with net install cd and my chipset is i865pe ...... |
| 20:40.32 | asuffield | Phated: it's cosplay when you wear a flared skirt and a really fricking huge ribbon in your hair |
| 20:40.34 | Phated | greycat: Only in comparison to the rest of you geezers. :) |
| 20:40.34 | abrotman | Phated: just wait til you're like .. 21 |
| 20:40.40 | {slocate} | lol |
| 20:40.40 | asuffield | and 16 is definitely young |
| 20:40.51 | Omo1 | all youngsters say that (light's a good old pipe'o'baccy) |
| 20:40.55 | Phated | asuffield: No one said you had to wear that. I was thinking gown and like... I dunno a perm. XD |
| 20:41.01 | jakjak | whats the apt package name for the kernel packages? |
| 20:41.18 | abrotman | jakjak: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 20:41.20 | greycat | jakjak: apt-cache search --names-only kernel image |
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| 20:41.43 | Phated | Omo1: You're not qualified to call anyone a youngster unless you're of the same age or older than paulswm. |
| 20:41.46 | jakjak | thanks |
| 20:41.57 | robin_sz | vorlon: ok, its megaraid is in lib/modules/whatver in the initrd, wish me luck :) |
| 20:42.08 | Omo1 | I'm like 22-something |
| 20:42.13 | Phated | asuffield: You're right. Flared skirt and huge fricking rubbin, then. |
| 20:42.20 | Phated | Er... ribbon... :/ |
| 20:42.24 | Phated | Omo1: Hah. |
| 20:42.24 | vorlon | robin_sz: good luck... ;) |
| 20:42.44 | abrotman | nvz: you were 'like' drinking beer yesterday |
| 20:42.46 | nvz | Phated: sounds like the cover of 'under my skin' |
| 20:43.02 | nvz | abrotman: no I was drinking chick beer yesturday, I am drinking beer today |
| 20:43.06 | Phated | You were "like" almost stalked by an LL Cool J looka"like" today. :) |
| 20:43.09 | Omo1 | that's old enought to know, that a person who's 16 and knowing his ABC in a tech-chat room is young, considering everything and whats not. |
| 20:43.27 | Phated | Omo1: That's apparently not old enough to pick up on the fact that he is a she. |
| 20:43.33 | abrotman | nvz: what's chick beer? beer made from chickens? |
| 20:43.37 | nvz | I am not worried, I am pretty confident I could take LL even with sore legs |
| 20:43.42 | Omo1 | haha, my bad, my bad |
| 20:43.50 | Phated | And -no-, it's still not -old-, paulswm is like 32 years older than you. |
| 20:43.58 | grigora | hi, I have 2 boxes one running old RedHat (8.0), the other Debian Sarge, they both have the same data. running du -sh dir/ takes about twice as long as running the same command on the RH box. I have LVM2+ReiserFS on Debian, LVM1+ext3 on RH, does anyone know how to tune the Debian box to be faster? TIA |
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| 20:44.03 | nvz | abrotman: no its like liquer mixed with flavoring, so it doesnt taste like cold slobber, like beer does |
| 20:44.08 | Phated | abrotman: Beer for chicks. Probably some sparkling stuff. |
| 20:44.13 | nvz | abrotman: but the vodka was making me sick to my stomach |
| 20:44.15 | [ArmanAGA] | ..... i couldn't mount my cd rom drive while installing sarge with net install cd and my chipset is i865pe ...... |
| 20:44.34 | Omo1 | ... 16 is still young :-| |
| 20:44.46 | abrotman | nvz: you're such a girl |
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| 20:44.55 | Phated | No, it bloody well isn't. |
| 20:45.01 | Phated | abrotman: Thus the drinking of chick beer. |
| 20:45.13 | asuffield | Phated: it so is |
| 20:45.14 | toresbe | Omo1: Phated is 16 ;) |
| 20:45.18 | Phated | nvz: Must say the original image of "chick beer" had me startled for a bit. |
| 20:45.23 | Phated | toresbe: HE KNOWS. |
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| 20:45.33 | nvz | I dont like any kind of alcohol, I dont like the effects it has on me.. I just had money and nothing better to do |
| 20:45.34 | toresbe | oh. :P |
| 20:45.37 | Phated | asuffield: Only when we start doing comparisons with everyone else. |
| 20:45.41 | abrotman | toresbe is 13.5 |
| 20:45.42 | Phated | Like... you. |
| 20:45.46 | Phated | abrotman: 8. |
| 20:45.49 | sobersabre | can it be that i get a lagged nfs because the server is 32bit intel and the clients are ppc64 ? |
| 20:45.56 | gilles | what's good softwares exist to edit web pages in wysiwyg ? |
| 20:45.56 | toresbe | Phated: AM NOT! *stomps* |
| 20:46.01 | greycat | sobersabre: no. |
| 20:46.06 | abrotman | !spank torbjorn |
| 20:46.09 | abrotman | !spank toresbe |
| 20:46.11 | Phated | HAHA |
| 20:46.12 | toresbe | *rrrr* |
| 20:46.21 | toresbe | torbjorn: Er du her? :D |
| 20:46.21 | sobersabre | greycat, any 1gb ethernet tunups needed ? |
| 20:46.28 | Omo1 | hah, danskere ;) |
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| 20:46.33 | sobersabre | or is it DNS delays ? |
| 20:46.37 | asuffield | Phated: 16 is "young" on any scale. anything below that is classified as "jailbait" :P |
| 20:46.40 | Shachar | Question: I'm packaging a new GPL program, for which I'm the upstream maintainer. This is my first attempt at Deb creation. I intend to check the "debian" directory into the upstream CVS (hosted on sourceforge). Should I mark the package as "native" and then change the homedir? |
| 20:46.55 | Phated | asuffield: 16 is -not- young. At least not when you can effectively pass for 21. :) |
| 20:46.58 | Shachar | It goes without saying that this package is not a part of Debian main (yet) |
| 20:47.10 | sobersabre | i meant tunings |
| 20:47.26 | Shachar | s/homedir/homepage/ |
| 20:47.37 | Omo1 | pha, what do you know.. it's your lucky day... i don't touch anything female under the age of 16. |
| 20:47.41 | asuffield | Phated: ...people in your country really suck at spotting ages |
| 20:47.58 | sobersabre | Omo1, not even chickens ? |
| 20:48.05 | nvz | I once asked someone the reason why young girls look so much older these days.. he replied "its in the chicken" |
| 20:48.20 | asuffield | Phated: on the other hand, I guess that'll make it easier to get a date |
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| 20:48.40 | Phated | Omo1: I'm sorry, I'm being hit on by a random guy who can't tell I'm female till I -tell- him I am, when I was referred to as female, when I'm told I'm flirting all over, and it's -my- lucky day? I don't -quite- get the logic. |
| 20:48.46 | Phated | asuffield: Aye! :) |
| 20:48.51 | Phated | asuffield: On both counts. |
| 20:49.07 | asuffield | ...okay, obviously Phated has tried this before |
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| 20:49.09 | Phated | Tried what before, asuffield? |
| 20:49.11 | Omo1 | sobersabre, no - i don't touch them unless the expiration date says 198-something |
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| 20:49.24 | abrotman | hitting on old farts :) |
| 20:49.33 | Phated | (And who doesn't know the meaning of expiration, to boot.) |
| 20:49.33 | zinx | Phated: well, if you consider it may be bad luck? sorry. i got nothin. |
| 20:49.47 | Phated | zinx: Seems like it to me. |
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| 20:50.04 | sobersabre | Omo1, :) isn't that production date ? |
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| 20:50.14 | asuffield | (and, probably more effectively, horny university students) |
| 20:50.26 | Phated | asuffield: And no, I haven't actually tried going after men. <shrug> |
| 20:50.39 | Phated | (Except on IRC, where there are no repercussions.) |
| 20:50.41 | greycat | clearly you don't have to... they come after you. |
| 20:50.47 | Phated | :) |
| 20:51.01 | sobersabre | i still have a lagged nfs. dns seems ok. can i measure dns response ? |
| 20:51.08 | sobersabre | deletion takes really long. |
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| 20:52.12 | Omo1 | this new interweb-thing is damn slick. |
| 20:52.24 | zinx | Omo1: intarweb |
| 20:52.25 | jcuk-busy | hey im having one hell of a fucking problem thats more or less turning me upside down !!!. Just isntalled debian through netinstall (sarge) But as im setting it up after removing the cd rom adn booting into debian it keeps spamming my screen with "hub 4-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1" It wont stop and im trying to set it up. its overlapping the GUI setup and everything how do i get it to stop |
| 20:52.29 | Phated | zinx: Heh. |
| 20:52.36 | robin_sz | vorlon: ahh pooh. megariad.ko is in the initrd, but its still looking for megaraid2 during boot, and 2.6 doesnt have a megaraid2 .. presumably this now involves some arcane incantations |
| 20:52.46 | Xemacs_ | we have oldfarts in here, LET ME AT EM |
| 20:52.55 | Omo1 | zinx, blah - like you own this chatshow. |
| 20:53.01 | zinx | Omo1: i do! |
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| 20:53.06 | Omo1 | ... oh |
| 20:53.09 | buffalo | i installed debian-sarge, then changed to unstable. after doing upgrade, i got kernel 2.6.10-1-686 (from 2.6.8-1-386). But on bootup, it kernel panics ("not syncing: attempted to kill init"). It happens right after mentioning "/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3". I thought it was pointing to the wrong root, but in /boot/grub/menu.lst, both 2.6.10 & 2.6.8 point to root=/dev/hda3. In fact, /dev/ide doesn't even exist in my system. I have done no manual |
| 20:53.25 | sobersabre | jcuk, do you have a USB1 socket connected to a USB2 jack ? |
| 20:53.26 | vorlon | robin_sz: yes, I'm afraid it does. Failing to find megaraid2 should not be a fatal problem on the initrd, but not trying to load megaraid.ko at all certainly will be. |
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| 20:53.41 | vegetax | what is the command to convert from windows line breaks to unix line breaks? |
| 20:53.45 | jcuk | sobersabre: No |
| 20:53.47 | zinx | vegetax: col |
| 20:53.52 | vegetax | i cant remember |
| 20:53.52 | robin_sz | vorlon: should I attempt the arcane or just give up |
| 20:53.59 | zinx | vegetax: mv file file~ && col < file~ > file |
| 20:54.11 | jcuk | sobersabre: Unless... my webcam might be usb1 im not sure |
| 20:54.13 | sobersabre | jcuk, .... still overcurrent is a wire in the USB connector to 2 port jack. |
| 20:54.25 | greycat | vegetax: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 20:54.29 | jcuk | sobersabre: Ill check it, brb |
| 20:54.32 | zinx | pfft |
| 20:54.34 | sobersabre | jcuk, I don't mean the device: sometimes |
| 20:54.37 | vorlon | robin_sz: here's the thing, you need to add a script to the /etc/mkinitrd/scripts/ directory which will *create* a script in your initrd. |
| 20:54.44 | zinx | dos2unix is for dos users :/ |
| 20:54.58 | zinx | col's somewhat standard :P~ |
| 20:55.00 | greycat | zinx: the factoid has a lot of ways. |
| 20:55.03 | abrotman | !dos zinx |
| 20:55.04 | dpkg | Opening the icmp floodgates:\n for i in `seq 0 1024`; do echo "Pinging abrotman"; ping -s abrotman"; done |
| 20:55.06 | vorlon | robin_sz: if you think that seems feasible, then by all means, go ahead and try it. |
| 20:55.11 | vegetax | thanks |
| 20:55.15 | robin_sz | vorlon: thats fairly arcane |
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| 20:55.33 | zinx | greycat: col's made for it :/ |
| 20:56.06 | robin_sz | vorlon: and handily, there are no example scripts in mkinitrd/scripts either :) |
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| 20:56.11 | sobersabre | sometimes mobo has a usb1 9 legs connector. and the case has 9 legs u can use only 1 jack from these 2-jack ports. |
| 20:56.20 | vorlon | robin_sz: yep. honestly, if you can create a script that runs "modprobe megaraid", then all you need to put in /etc/mkinitrd/scripts/ is another script that runs "cp myscript $INITRDDIR/scripts/myscript". |
| 20:56.48 | greycat | dpkg, no, dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d \\r, or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 20:56.48 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:57.20 | robin_sz | vorlon: I presume I only have bin/sh at bootitme? |
| 20:57.25 | vorlon | robin_sz: yes. |
| 20:57.38 | vorlon | robin_sz: which is all you should need to run "modprobe megaraid" :) |
| 20:57.40 | buu | Speaking of dos like stuff, I've got a fat32 partition I'm trying to mount. Most of the time it mounts properly, but occasionally when using it I get "filesystem panics" and it gets remounted read only. Is there anyway to fix this? |
| 20:57.46 | sobersabre | is an ia64 vanilla kernel supposed to have problems with itanium ? |
| 20:57.49 | nvz | perl pie is perl -pi -e |
| 20:58.03 | jcuk | sobersabre: I removed all USB Devices that were connected and now it is displaying it at 2 lines at a time saying the same thing for port 1 and port 2 |
| 20:58.15 | jcuk | sobersabre: Should i try a recovery boot? |
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| 20:58.31 | sobersabre | jcuk, have u seen my mobo messaage ? |
| 20:58.52 | infodroid | greycat: it learns, eh |
| 20:58.54 | sobersabre | which usb devices do you have ? |
| 20:59.09 | greycat | infodroid: nope. it just regurgitates. |
| 20:59.10 | ravn | anyone: How do I do to be able to place mote than one object in a window in anjua/glade? |
| 20:59.11 | sobersabre | which power supply do you have ? |
| 20:59.13 | jcuk | sobersabre: no i ddint see it. I only have a USB Webcam |
| 20:59.29 | jcuk | sobersabre: a rubbish power supply :P |
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| 20:59.30 | sobersabre | jcuk, how many watts is your power supply ? |
| 20:59.42 | jcuk | sobersabre: 400W |
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| 20:59.55 | sobersabre | sounds ok ... |
| 21:00.13 | sobersabre | must u use usb now ? |
| 21:00.17 | jcuk | sobersabre: Ill try lowering the OC on my CPU. |
| 21:00.24 | sobersabre | hehe |
| 21:00.39 | sobersabre | you should try this :) |
| 21:00.39 | jcuk | sobersabre: No but nothing is plugged in to any of the USB Ports and i have completely disconnected the front ports |
| 21:01.03 | sobersabre | jcuk, maybe there's some short cirtcuit ? |
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| 21:01.13 | archpollux | anyone knows if for IDE interface: Intel Corp. 6300ESB SATA Storage Controller (rev 02) the VIA SATA driver in the SCSI section is enough? |
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| 21:01.14 | james | Hi :) anyone know anything about bash scripting |
| 21:01.14 | james | got 11 variables and $10 and $11 are both showing as $1 except with a 0 or 1 on the end |
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| 21:01.25 | uruboro | james try ${11} iirc |
| 21:01.27 | greycat | james: ${10} in bash. |
| 21:01.30 | jcuk | sobersabre: Well with all of the componants i have running in there. thats what it probably is |
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| 21:01.40 | visik7 | anyone from china ? |
| 21:01.42 | greycat | in /bin/sh you'll have to shift them down to $9 or less. |
| 21:02.14 | sobersabre | jcuk, you must both haveenough power and no short-circuits :) |
| 21:02.18 | jcuk | sobersabre: 9 fans, 1 for the zalman cooler, one for the Graphics card and 7 case fans inwhich 3 are LED ones. |
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| 21:02.29 | sobersabre | hehehe |
| 21:02.33 | jcuk | sobersabre: Linux must take more power to boot than windows then |
| 21:02.44 | stew | uhh |
| 21:02.55 | sobersabre | jcuk, windows does not run all the hardware at once :) |
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| 21:02.59 | jcuk | sobersabre: But i drastically need a new PSU. Mine is teh pos |
| 21:02.59 | james | Oh good stuf it works :) |
| 21:03.00 | sobersabre | one at a time |
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| 21:03.30 | jcuk | sobersabre: Thats probably the problem then heh. Ok brb ill lower the OC's and disconnect some of my lighting |
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| 21:03.49 | sobersabre | you can also diconnect the air-conditioner. |
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| 21:05.09 | Code | hi |
| 21:05.35 | archpollux | sorry, i meant the Intel PIIX/ICH SATA support driver |
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| 21:06.05 | [[JuNO]] | hola |
| 21:06.10 | [[JuNO]] | alguien sabe usar gimp ? |
| 21:06.25 | Yaroon | Quick-guide to mounting an sd card in a camera plugged in via USB? |
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| 21:07.51 | greycat | !es |
| 21:07.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:08.04 | uruboro | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.31 | Yaroon | That means it works. |
| 21:08.36 | robin_sz | vorlon: I have a script .. basically #!/bin/sh; export PATH=/sbin:/bin; modprobe megaraid; exit 0; .. and its copied into my intrd.img /scripts dir ... |
| 21:08.41 | robin_sz | sound about right? |
| 21:08.44 | oskie | isn't there any beta version of firefox? i want more |
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| 21:09.15 | uruboro | Yaroon, usb-storage sees the sd as memory and scsi emulation lets you mount as a vfat partition |
| 21:09.16 | jannol | is there any app that can, use tabs, validate xhtml, autofill in tags ? |
| 21:09.22 | greycat | robin_sz: why on EARTH don't you just echo megaraid >> /etc/modules ? |
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| 21:09.30 | phretor | hello there |
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| 21:09.49 | robin_sz | greycat: dont ask me .. Im just following ordes |
| 21:09.56 | Yaroon | Well usb_storage seems to be loaded... as is sd_mod and scsi_mod... |
| 21:10.01 | uruboro | Yaroon, be careful not to unplug or switch things off when the FS is mounted though |
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| 21:10.12 | phretor | I installed PECL thry PEAR; now I've a shared object problem |
| 21:10.17 | jannol | Yaroon, try lsusb to find out more |
| 21:10.18 | Yaroon | uruboro: OK |
| 21:10.22 | robin_sz | greycat: you think that will work? with this 2.4/2.6 kernel snafu? |
| 21:10.24 | phretor | PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/http.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/http.so: undefined symbol: ps_globals in Unknown on line 0 |
| 21:10.33 | phretor | any idea? |
| 21:10.57 | vorlon | robin_sz: exporting the PATH is unnecessary; and you shouldn't call exit explicitly, because this has side effects if the scripts/ directory is sourced instead of exec'ed. |
| 21:11.09 | vorlon | greycat: because /etc/modules has nothing to do with initrds. |
| 21:11.13 | robin_sz | vorlon: ta |
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| 21:11.28 | Yaroon | uruboro: when switching on the camera connected to the USB port it doesn't print anything to say it detected it. |
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| 21:11.49 | sobersabre | Yaroon, what is "it" ? |
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| 21:11.54 | sobersabre | look into the logs |
| 21:11.57 | uruboro | yaroon "dmesg" doesn't say anything? |
| 21:11.59 | Yaroon | A Canon Digital Ixus 40. |
| 21:12.07 | vorlon | phretor: don't use crap php extensions? |
| 21:12.19 | phretor | vorlon: wtf? |
| 21:12.36 | tarzeau | http://knix.mine.nu/images/thunderbird_sucks.png |
| 21:12.36 | vorlon | phretor: you asked for ideas. There's one. |
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| 21:12.45 | tarzeau | ECHANNEL |
| 21:12.51 | knix | tarzeau: Hey now! |
| 21:12.52 | knix | hahaha |
| 21:13.00 | phretor | vorlon: ok but I do not know what 'crap' is |
| 21:13.01 | tarzeau | greycat hi |
| 21:13.11 | robin_sz | greycat: I believe you now have the answer as to why the fuck im not just echoing into /etc/modules ;) |
| 21:13.37 | tarzeau | greycat: i have just put write only when logged in for the wiki. so anyone who defines some password, can have his account write allowed (by telling me your username) |
| 21:13.40 | vorlon | phretor: crap is, PHP extensions that fail to load because of undefined symbol errors. |
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| 21:14.05 | greycat | tarzeau: so how do I make a user account? is the UserPreferences page spam-free now? |
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| 21:14.12 | phretor | vorlon: oh, yes `extension=http.so` is the line that causes that error |
| 21:14.18 | greycat | ah, good. :) |
| 21:14.22 | vorlon | phretor: yes. |
| 21:14.42 | tarzeau | greycat: the english one yes. but there's like tons of other languages |
| 21:14.45 | phretor | vorlon: so I am asking for ideas about how to correct it |
| 21:14.51 | vorlon | phretor: remove the extension line? |
| 21:15.00 | phretor | vorlon: I *need* that extension! |
| 21:15.01 | greycat | tarzeau: well, there's "http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/greycat" ... |
| 21:15.04 | tarzeau | greycat: yes go UserPreferences, say insert password twice, say "create account" |
| 21:15.12 | tarzeau | greycat: but does it have a password? |
| 21:15.21 | vorlon | also, crap is: an extension named 'http' for an engine that natively supports HTTP sockets. |
| 21:15.25 | phretor | vorlon: I installed PECL (thru PEAR) in order to *use* PECL, not to disable it! :-) |
| 21:15.26 | robin_sz | vorlon: nah, still fscked .. didnt seem to try and modprobe megaraid ... I die at pivot_root: no such file |
| 21:15.41 | greycat | tarzeau: what does "say insert password" mean? |
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| 21:16.03 | vorlon | robin_sz: hrm, and does your new script show up in the initrd? |
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| 21:16.10 | phretor | vorlon: understand? |
| 21:16.10 | lord_of_scorn | hello |
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| 21:16.12 | tarzeau | greycat: hehe :) there's a field where you enter your password |
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| 21:16.14 | robin_sz | in scripts yes |
| 21:16.36 | robin_sz | vorlon: yes in scripts yes |
| 21:16.42 | greycat | tarzeau: so, like, this field would magically exist if the page were not "immutable"? |
| 21:16.52 | tarzeau | greycat: yes, one second |
| 21:16.54 | robin_sz | vorlon: do they get called early? |
| 21:17.11 | robin_sz | vorlon: and yes it is chmod 755 |
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| 21:18.05 | tarzeau | greycat: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/BenutzerEinstellungen?action=highlight&value=UserPreferences |
| 21:18.27 | tarzeau | greycat: no, i have no idea how i found it. don't ask. but this should work |
| 21:18.48 | SARGEMOUSE | plz can anyone tell me who to configure my Leadtek Geforce 3 Ti200 on SARGE ??? i only get VESA working thats grap |
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| 21:19.44 | Shachar | Question: I'm packaging a new GPL program, for which I'm the upstream maintainer. This is my first attempt at Deb creation. I intend to check the "debian" directory into the upstream CVS (hosted on sourceforge). Should I mark the package as "native" and then change the homepage? It goes without saying that the package is not in Debian main (yet?) |
| 21:19.59 | robin_sz | vorlon: or does it need to be chmod 777? |
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| 21:20.20 | vorlon | robin_sz: I don't remember when they get called. You could try adding an echo statement to it, so you can see whether/when it's being called in the boot output. |
| 21:20.23 | tarzeau | Shachar: what software is it? |
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| 21:20.31 | phretor | vorlon: ok, np |
| 21:20.33 | Shachar | rsyncrypto |
| 21:20.42 | Shachar | http://sf.net/projects/rsyncrypto |
| 21:20.45 | robin_sz | vorlon: echo "instlling megaraid" ? |
| 21:20.46 | vorlon | phretor: I understand, but the module you're using is still crap, you didn't get it from us, and it sounds like a retarded module anyway. |
| 21:20.50 | vorlon | robin_sz: sure |
| 21:20.54 | robin_sz | k |
| 21:20.58 | SARGEMOUSE | plz can anyone tell me who to configure my Leadtek Geforce 3 Ti200 on SARGE ??? i only get VESA working thats grap |
| 21:20.59 | robin_sz | skipper |
| 21:21.06 | Shachar | it's a rsync friendly encryption - partial changes to plain text result in only partial changes to cipher text |
| 21:21.07 | phretor | vorlon: so how to have PECL? |
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| 21:21.24 | vorlon | phretor: so if you want support for it, you'll have to harrass some PHP people (little chance that any of them know what they're doing, but that's not my fault). |
| 21:21.26 | cthulfuego | SARGEMOUSE: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:21.40 | cOpToTrOn | hello i have a rather basic problem. i am to install debian on my laptop and i just wonder about "computer architecture", wich version shoudl i install??? |
| 21:21.45 | jannol | is there any app that can, use tabs, validate xhtml, autofill in tags ? |
| 21:21.57 | uruboro | last time i needed it, encrypted loop filesystems (losetup -e ....) couldn't safely stay on journaling FSs, is that still valid? |
| 21:22.00 | vorlon | cthulfuego: meh? |
| 21:22.01 | phretor | jannol: tidy |
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| 21:22.08 | uruboro | interesting project, shachar |
| 21:22.09 | cthulfuego | vorlon: yes |
| 21:22.15 | jannol | phretor, ok |
| 21:22.16 | tarzeau | dpkg nickometer cOpToTrOn |
| 21:22.16 | dpkg | 'cOpToTrOn' is 99.959% lame, tarzeau |
| 21:22.18 | jcuk-busy | sobersabre |
| 21:22.25 | Shachar | thanks. Needless to say - I'd appretiate a sponsor...... |
| 21:22.34 | vorlon | cthulfuego: what the hell do you mean, "yes"? |
| 21:22.38 | tarzeau | Shachar: prepare the package, the sponsor will find you |
| 21:22.40 | agenteo | I've installed cups on a debian sarge, when I print the test page from the web interface or a file from console with lp I have not errors, but neither the page printed! The printer is an HP5652 alredy used with Linux. Actually even right now if I type cat file > /dev/lp0 I see the file printed... |
| 21:22.46 | sobersabre | jcuk, so whatsup with the power consumtion ? |
| 21:22.47 | greycat | tarzeau: ok, now that I'm logged in, everything's still immutable, even a brand new GreyCat page. |
| 21:22.47 | cthulfuego | <heh> |
| 21:22.49 | dafresh_ | anyone here use phpmadmin 2.6.1-rc2-2 with php5 ? |
| 21:22.58 | cthulfuego | vorlon: I find 8that* funny coming from a vorlon. |
| 21:23.00 | tarzeau | greycat: the user is GreyCat ? |
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| 21:23.01 | Shachar | tarzeau, I have one almost ready (I think) |
| 21:23.04 | greycat | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:23.12 | oskie | what's a good SIMPLE image viewer (for use by other apps)? imagemagick's display is too bulky & slow, gqview isn't really designed for single image view, -- what other apps are there? |
| 21:23.20 | greycat | !xv |
| 21:23.20 | dpkg | xv is, like, at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html (Very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails) or removed from Debian due to license, or the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed). get the .deb from slink if you want it, or ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 21:23.22 | Pakal | yesterday I bought a Celeron 2.4 Ghz and I re-installed debian but all is slow and Firefox crashing |
| 21:23.24 | Azar | :) nickwars? |
| 21:23.41 | tarzeau | greycat: i have to add users manually. try now please |
| 21:23.47 | tarzeau | Shachar: url? |
| 21:23.49 | jannol | oskie, entice |
| 21:23.52 | Shachar | not uploaded yet |
| 21:23.55 | cthulfuego | dafresh_: No, 2.6.0 is the latest I have on php5. |
| 21:23.57 | MaRtIn_ | c0pToTr0n: i386 |
| 21:23.58 | tarzeau | oskie: feh |
| 21:23.58 | Shachar | hold on a sec |
| 21:24.02 | jcuk | sobersabre: Its strange i kept getting the error messages even after disconnecting going down to 2 case fans my gpu fan and my cpu cooler. also disconnected one of my Optical Drives and still it kept displaying them. So i put a device into each of the ports and its not saying anything... |
| 21:24.13 | tarzeau | oskie: it's the fastest and best i can think of -- aside preview.app |
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| 21:24.24 | oskie | tarzeau: hmm interesting, i'll check it |
| 21:24.33 | Azar | feh is awesome |
| 21:24.34 | oskie | jannol: not in debian? |
| 21:24.35 | greycat | tarzeau: better :) |
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| 21:25.13 | sobersabre | then it is short circuit - look into the sockets the metal tongues must touch something they shouldn't |
| 21:25.13 | oskie | tarzeau: feh: relocation error: feh: undefined symbol: imlib_context_set_display <- weird |
| 21:25.16 | jannol | well no, not in deb repo. |
| 21:25.18 | dafresh_ | cthulfuego: but it works ? |
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| 21:25.20 | tarzeau | oskie: got sid? |
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| 21:25.25 | tarzeau | oskie: it works perfect for me. |
| 21:25.28 | robin_sz | vorlon: yeah it ran the script ... do I need to somehow tell it /dev/sda is a megraid drive? |
| 21:25.29 | vorlon | oskie: buggy libimlib2 binaries in unstable. |
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| 21:25.32 | jcuk | sobersabre: Ok |
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| 21:25.38 | jannol | oskie, you want the source ? |
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| 21:25.42 | tarzeau | oskie: it can do recursively pictuers, very fast for 20000+ files |
| 21:25.49 | jcuk | sobersabre: Brb gonna install the rest. |
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| 21:25.58 | lelele | ola |
| 21:26.01 | sobersabre | jcuk, i have one such socket: i disabled the whole hub for it to chill out. |
| 21:26.04 | cthulfuego | dafresh_: Seems to, yes. I haven't used it extensively; the box is no longer an active sql server. |
| 21:26.04 | oskie | vorlon: any idea how to fix? |
| 21:26.06 | vorlon | robin_sz: hrm. You may have to specify ROOT=/dev/<something> in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf, but I'm not familiar enough w/ megaraid to know what exactly you'd put there. |
| 21:26.09 | robin_sz | vorlon: as in it ran the script and still dies |
| 21:26.10 | lelele | tem alguem que possa me ajudar sobre debian |
| 21:26.10 | oskie | jannol: sure... what's the url? |
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| 21:26.24 | vorlon | oskie: downgrade to the version in testing, or rebuild the version from unstable on your local system. |
| 21:26.25 | lelele | tem alguem que possa me ajudar sobre debian |
| 21:26.29 | robin_sz | vorlon: fair enough, thansk for your help |
| 21:26.32 | jannol | actually, I'm guessing you use apt ? |
| 21:26.37 | Bear_DK | I'm trying to compile the 2.6.10 kernel by doing the following: "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image". But I get the follow error: "make: *** No rule to make target `conf.vars', needed by `stamp-configure'. Stop", what's that? |
| 21:26.57 | lelele | algum brasileiro |
| 21:27.01 | cthulfuego | vorlon: Normally you'd use rdev to tell the kernel about its root device or perhaps pass it from the bootloader. Should be right as long as initrd contains the megaraid module. |
| 21:27.08 | Knight_Lord | lelele #debian-br |
| 21:27.08 | cthulfuego | !portuguese |
| 21:27.08 | dpkg | portuguese is, like, the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:27.08 | oskie | vorlon: just rebuild? ok i'll do it... can't downgrade 'cause i'm on amd64 |
| 21:27.13 | vorlon | lelele: prova em #debian-br, este eh um canal anglofalante. |
| 21:27.18 | robin_sz | vorlon: I was assuming that the initrd.conf was enough to boot my 2,4 kernels, it would somehwo work ok on a 2,6 |
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| 21:27.49 | lelele | obridao knight_lord |
| 21:27.53 | cthulfuego | robin_sz: Just make sure the initrd contains *all* needed modules. SOme may have been renamed between 2.4 and 2.6 and thus not be included anymore. |
| 21:28.05 | sobersabre | must leave. cheers all. |
| 21:28.05 | Knight_Lord | lelele de nada |
| 21:28.06 | jannol | oskie, $ echo deb http://j.portalier.free.fr/debian/ testing main >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:28.14 | oskie | tarzeau: feh didn't seem to register itself in /etc/mailcap either... |
| 21:28.21 | oskie | jannol: it's building now tho... |
| 21:28.34 | robin_sz | cthulfuego: thi I have the problem with .. renaming of megaraid2 (2.4) to megaraid (2.6) |
| 21:28.42 | jannol | ok |
| 21:28.58 | cthulfuego | robin_sz: Simply add its name to /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
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| 21:29.05 | cthulfuego | robin_sz: Tehn then recreate the initrd. |
| 21:29.08 | Shachar | tarzeau, http://lingnu.com/debian |
| 21:29.15 | oskie | jannol: sorry, wrong person, thanks for the url |
| 21:29.18 | oskie | vorlon: thanks, that worked |
| 21:29.23 | robin_sz | cthulfuego: nah, you are way behind .. been there done that. |
| 21:29.30 | paulswm | well crap I was hoping someone would ask me what it was |
| 21:29.37 | jannol | oskie, ok |
| 21:29.37 | cthulfuego | robin_sz: Tried hardcoding support? |
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| 21:29.42 | robin_sz | cthulfuego: it still tries to load megaraid2 |
| 21:29.44 | tarzeau | Shachar: did you lintian -Ivi it? |
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| 21:29.50 | Shachar | you can add it as an apt source |
| 21:29.54 | robin_sz | cthulfuego: as in recompile? no |
| 21:29.57 | Shachar | yes, it has a couple of errors still |
| 21:30.16 | emfpilot | greycat: right on, just wondering... :) |
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| 21:30.26 | tarzeau | Shachar: you should fix these couple of errors. write a manual page for it |
| 21:30.37 | cthulfuego | robin_sz: Still? Any module aliases that force it to try megaraid2? Did you re-create the initrd and check to make sure it now contains 'megaraid' instead of megaraid2? |
| 21:30.39 | tarzeau | Shachar: have you used dh_make ? it creates an example |
| 21:30.47 | Shachar | what's the example's name? |
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| 21:30.57 | robin_sz | cthulfuego: where are the module aliases set up? |
| 21:31.04 | tarzeau | Shachar: manpage.1.ex i think |
| 21:31.18 | robin_sz | cthulfuego: and yes I did creat and check, scroll up |
| 21:31.27 | cthulfuego | robin_sz: In /etc/modprobe.d/ for 2.6 kernels. |
| 21:31.27 | Shachar | yes, it is |
| 21:31.31 | tarzeau | Shachar: you want to renmae it to rsyncrypto.1 |
| 21:31.37 | cthulfuego | robin_sz: I can't scroll back that far, just rolled out of bed. |
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| 21:31.46 | tarzeau | Shachar: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 21:31.47 | robin_sz | cthulfuego: ok, its rebooting now, I'll check in a minute |
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| 21:32.03 | cthulfuego | robin_sz: Just unpack the newly created initrd and rgrep it for 'megaraid2'. |
| 21:32.28 | robin_sz | you cant unpack a initrd canyou |
| 21:32.31 | robin_sz | its cramfs |
| 21:32.36 | oskie | tarzeau: feh looks really nice, i wish it registered itself in mailcap tho... i guess i have to do it manually :( |
| 21:32.36 | robin_sz | mout via loop |
| 21:32.45 | cthulfuego | robin_sz: Yeah, that'll do |
| 21:32.57 | tarzeau | oskie: what app do you want to get it started from? |
| 21:33.11 | oskie | tarzeau: mc |
| 21:33.24 | oskie | tarzeau: or really: /usr/bin/see in mime-support |
| 21:33.28 | robin_sz | cthulfuego: and yes it is and I have a script to modprobe megaraid |
| 21:33.29 | tarzeau | oskie: hehe, you've got EDITOR=mcedit too? |
| 21:33.36 | oskie | tarzeau: hah, no! |
| 21:33.58 | tarzeau | oskie: you know f9 in mc= |
| 21:34.01 | cthulfuego | robin_sz: Any aliases anywhere that map 'megaraid' to 'megaraid2' ? |
| 21:34.02 | oskie | tarzeau: EDITOR=joe here... but i'm in a kind of editor crisis at the moment... i'm trying to move from nedit to scite |
| 21:34.12 | tarzeau | oskie: command, edit extension file... |
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| 21:37.10 | Shachar | ok. Thanks anyways |
| 21:37.16 | oskie | tarzeau: hah :) |
| 21:37.18 | robin_sz | mout via loop |
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| 21:38.37 | uruboro | !sarge pool 5 =~ s/!/! uruboro=2005-04-01 |
| 21:38.39 | oskie | tarzeau: hm, i made a feh mime file & ran update-mime... now it works |
| 21:38.42 | robin_sz | vorlon I have in th initrd loadmodules modprobe -k megaraid .. so I guess it loading, just doesnt reallise it has to use that for the device at /dev/sda |
| 21:38.50 | Azar | meet mr GNOME and mr KDE: http://arstechnica.com/images/linuxworld2005/picture1.jpg |
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| 21:39.18 | robin_sz | cthulfuego: grepped, no mappings I can see |
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| 21:39.24 | vorlon | robin_sz: yes, it may be calling the device something other than /dev/sda; or using MODULES=dep may have left you without other modules like sd_mod... |
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| 21:39.39 | ShadowJK | Azar, who are those? |
| 21:39.39 | tarzeau | oskie: you might want to contribute it to somewhere :) |
| 21:39.47 | oskie | ALT+F4 is really a f***ing stupid combo for closing a window... my left thumb always hurts because of it |
| 21:39.49 | vorlon | robin_sz: so, you might try listing sd_mod and scsi in there as well. |
| 21:39.54 | Azar | ShadowJK: http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050215.ars |
| 21:39.57 | robin_sz | vorlon: sd_mod and scsi_mod are in the initrd |
| 21:40.04 | tarzeau | Azar: looks like on magic mushrooms, the two |
| 21:40.13 | vorlon | robin_sz: but are they loaded? |
| 21:40.13 | Azar | ;D |
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| 21:40.38 | oskie | tarzeau: someone reported it before me... 270981 |
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| 21:40.58 | tarzeau | oskie: ahh, smart. with patch? |
| 21:41.00 | robin_sz | ahh, well ... there is a modprobe -k scsi_mod before megaraid and a sd_mod at the end (after the fialing megaraid2) in loadmodules |
| 21:41.04 | jp | Hi, could someone help me in building and compiling links 2.1pre16 please? |
| 21:41.05 | Roadrunne | anyone installed HP management tools on a HP Proliant server yet? |
| 21:41.09 | Azar | yeah Havoc Pennington and Lars Knoll |
| 21:41.15 | tarzeau | jp: it's packaged already, man! |
| 21:41.27 | oskie | tarzeau: yeah... albeit not complete... |
| 21:41.38 | jp | yes but in Debian package, I didn't find the ssl support, so I've a lot of problems with it. |
| 21:41.41 | Shachar | bye all |
| 21:41.44 | jp | Moreover I'm with Woody |
| 21:41.45 | tarzeau | jp: ahh, hehe :) |
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| 21:42.01 | tarzeau | jp: you want to adapt it for gnu tls? |
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| 21:42.38 | [[JuNO]] | hello |
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| 21:42.52 | [[JuNO]] | is here a german channel ? |
| 21:42.56 | tarzeau | !nickometer [[JuNO]] |
| 21:42.56 | dpkg | '[[JuNO]]' is 99.860% lame, tarzeau |
| 21:42.58 | tarzeau | dpkg german |
| 21:42.58 | dpkg | i heard german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
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| 21:43.00 | jp | I don't know what's gnu tls, but I want to compile it with --with-ssl and --enable-javascript, so I tool the source |
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| 21:43.10 | jp | to have a more convinient application |
| 21:43.15 | tarzeau | jp: isn't javascript enabled already? |
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| 21:43.31 | PerfDave | jp: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 21:43.44 | PerfDave | jp: You could have built from the Debian source? |
| 21:43.55 | jp | yes maybe, I couldn't check, because my problem is when I do make, so after I have done ./configure...... |
| 21:44.05 | tarzeau | PerfDave: just debuild it, with libssl-dev installed? |
| 21:44.18 | PerfDave | tarzeau: You probably need to put --with-ssl in debian/rules |
| 21:44.29 | tarzeau | PerfDave: i don't want it, but jp yes |
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| 21:44.50 | jp | when can I find the Debian source? |
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| 21:45.00 | greycat | jp: on the debian mirrors. |
| 21:45.04 | tarzeau | jp: packages.debian.org/links2 |
| 21:45.09 | PerfDave | jp: Read the APT HOWTO, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 21:45.14 | PerfDave | !info links2 woody |
| 21:45.14 | greycat | jp: /msg dpkg source |
| 21:45.21 | jakjak | im getting a "Your PHP has no LDAP support!" from my LDAPAccountMAnager |
| 21:45.27 | jakjak | any ideas |
| 21:45.30 | tarzeau | PerfDave: he's got woody |
| 21:45.34 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 21:45.34 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little thermal paste, and a handful of starving hamsters. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 21:45.42 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Yes? |
| 21:45.46 | jp | well I go and see. Thanks |
| 21:46.03 | si|vercat | my alt+tab thing has stopped working.. where can I reconfigure it? |
| 21:46.07 | tarzeau | PerfDave: he'll need some modifications, it's not that simply backported (but not that damn hard either) |
| 21:46.23 | tarzeau | jp: if you have it working, tell me ;) we'll want it at work too -- or you wait and i'll prepare one by tomorrow |
| 21:46.24 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Fair enough. |
| 21:46.27 | Azar | I have created an extra partition in Debian Woody so I can get to do some tests in it, but now I don't know how to access it |
| 21:46.29 | greycat | !pal si|vercat |
| 21:46.35 | PerfDave | jp: There could be something on http://www.backports.org/ |
| 21:46.38 | si|vercat | lol |
| 21:46.42 | PerfDave | si|vercat: "alt+tab thing"? |
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| 21:46.59 | tarzeau | jp: why are you stuck with woody? (how many machines?) |
| 21:47.07 | si|vercat | doh.. |
| 21:47.17 | si|vercat | nevermind.. :P |
| 21:47.19 | si|vercat | stupid question |
| 21:47.57 | robin_sz | vorlon: ok, one last boot with an lsmod in that script to work out what is loaded |
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| 21:48.08 | Dr_Aevil | hi guys - is it not possible to terminate an ongoing http transfer from the 'net to a machine on a local network by doing iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --source <ip> -j DROP where eth0 is the external interface on the router? |
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| 21:49.14 | xai | need some advice on raid setup. got 8 200gb disks going to make one raid5 array, possible with lvm devices.. Wondering if I should make swap partitions on each disk etc. |
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| 21:49.29 | greycat | Dr_Aevil: the TCP state won't be killed off immediately. you'll have to wait hours for it to give up. |
| 21:49.38 | RalfG | hi, there, any qemu experts around? |
| 21:49.39 | lu | have any of you all had the following error with glxgears, Error: couldn't open diplay (null) |
| 21:49.42 | tarzeau | RalfG: just ask |
| 21:49.45 | robin_sz | vorlon: bah, no lsmod at bootime :( |
| 21:49.48 | greycat | Dr_Aevil: normally you'd just kill the httpd sub-process that's doing the transfer (assuming you're the server end). |
| 21:49.53 | tarzeau | RalfG: there's certainly no mind reader experts |
| 21:50.02 | RalfG | lu: did you try to start as root? |
| 21:50.08 | greycat | OpenBSD has a way to terminate TCP connections, but Linux doesn't. |
| 21:50.13 | toresbe | RalfG: nice to see you here :) |
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| 21:50.21 | lu | yes |
| 21:50.23 | Assid | heya |
| 21:50.28 | RalfG | hi toresbee |
| 21:50.28 | vorlon | robin_sz: you could try setting DELAY=5, logging into the initrd, and walking through the setup step-by-step to see what is or isn't happening. Painful, at best. |
| 21:51.02 | Dr_Aevil | greycat: curses - is there a way from the router to terminate a connection? the router is doing simple DNAT from the net to the machines in our house. The machine doing the transfer is locked , so short of pulling the plug... |
| 21:51.36 | greycat | Dr_Aevil: sure! if that router is OpenBSD. |
| 21:51.36 | robin_sz | vorlon: I suspect the problem is that the module is loading, but the system isnt using it to access the root drive |
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| 21:51.58 | Dr_Aevil | greycat: and only if? :( |
| 21:52.08 | Assid | if i have debian-woody.. and if i have a few apps installed from source.. and now.. i want to load up sarge.. will it break ? |
| 21:52.15 | greycat | Dr_Aevil: you might ask #iptables, if the router is Linux 2.4 or higher. |
| 21:52.24 | robin_sz | vorlon: the other problem is that as it boots, it ramps the fans up, and thats bloody noisy! ;( |
| 21:52.28 | Dr_Aevil | thanks greycat |
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| 21:52.33 | jp | Sorry, I must be very stupid, but I only found the source on http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/links/. Is that good? |
| 21:52.33 | greycat | Assid: usually not. try it and see. |
| 21:52.39 | lu | hmm, any clues fella's on my glxgears error? |
| 21:52.52 | Assid | greycat: its my production box.. thats the only one i have on woody now |
| 21:53.05 | greycat | Assid: ones that are known to fail would be qmail/tcpserver/ucpsi-tcp/daemontools if you didn't apply the errno patches. |
| 21:53.13 | tarzeau | lu: did you start it as user who started x11? |
| 21:53.18 | Assid | errno patches? |
| 21:53.21 | lu | nope |
| 21:53.23 | Assid | i kinda use all of them |
| 21:53.26 | tarzeau | lu: well that's it |
| 21:53.29 | lu | I started glxgears as root |
| 21:53.30 | greycat | Assid: /topic #qmail |
| 21:53.32 | Assid | qmail/daemontools etc. |
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| 21:53.38 | tarzeau | lu: you should start it as user |
| 21:53.47 | tarzeau | lu: or allow root to draw on your display |
| 21:54.12 | lu | haaH, thankyou so much rockn at 4000fps. thanks |
| 21:54.27 | tarzeau | lu: damn, what card you got? try www.mtp-target.org |
| 21:54.31 | Assid | is that only if i update to sarge? or its if i update to 2.6? |
| 21:54.43 | lu | it's glxgears minimized |
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| 21:54.45 | lu | on my laptop |
| 21:54.46 | tarzeau | Assid: 2.6 linux kernel? |
| 21:54.48 | robin_sz | greycat: oh fu. if I get this kernel to boot, task2 is to install qmail and vpopmail .. you saying thats going to involve pain too? |
| 21:54.53 | lu | yes 2.6 custom |
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| 21:55.03 | greycat | Assid: it has nothing at all to do with the kernel. which you can't upgrade to 2.6 on woody *anyway*. It's because DJB wrote his code wrong, and it breaks when glibc 2.3 changes the definition of errno. |
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| 21:55.13 | Assid | tarzeau: currently its on woody.. i plan to move to sarge |
| 21:55.26 | greycat | robin_sz: has nothing to do with the kernel. /topic #qmail |
| 21:55.28 | Assid | i see.. |
| 21:55.30 | jp | in fact here's my problem, if I can be more easy to understand. I downloaded links 2.16-pre15 (source) because the package doesn't include ssl and I'd like it. Then I did ./configure --with-ssl=/usr/include/openssl --enable-javascript --prefix=/usr/local/bin. No problem. But then, I did make and it displays: make: *** [html_tbl.o] Erreur 1 How can I solve that acording to you please? |
| 21:55.36 | lu | nvidia geforce 4400 go, 64mb |
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| 21:56.15 | robin_sz | greycat: that cant be right ... you saying DJB is wrong? ... thats heresy! ;) |
| 21:56.16 | pipeline | jp: My lynx package has ssl support (??) |
| 21:56.16 | tarzeau | jp: what's a line before erreur 1? |
| 21:56.18 | lu | thanks debian rocks |
| 21:56.26 | tarzeau | pipeline: bugs.debian.org/links2 |
| 21:56.32 | tarzeau | pipeline: he wants links2 |
| 21:56.43 | greycat | robin_sz: apparently he cares more about supporting some legacy unix box that 3 people in the world use, than ANSI C standards. |
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| 21:56.45 | jp | it's html_tbl.c:67: previous declaration of `display_table_frames' |
| 21:57.02 | tarzeau | jp: can you post the whole output of make on some url? |
| 21:57.04 | robin_sz | greycat: thats also heresy to imply that he cares ;) |
| 21:57.05 | greycat | robin_sz: which is why Russ Nelson and others made netqmail. |
| 21:57.11 | pipeline | tarzeau: Ah, I misread. |
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| 21:57.23 | cadu | hi |
| 21:57.26 | james | how easy is it to send an email from a bash script? |
| 21:57.30 | greycat | james: quite. |
| 21:57.32 | tarzeau | james: very |
| 21:57.37 | tarzeau | james: i'd use nail |
| 21:57.47 | greycat | mutt, nail, mail, ... |
| 21:57.57 | robin_sz | greycat: ahh. netqmail ... a sort of standardised replacemtn with the lunacy ironed out and sensible paths? |
| 21:58.00 | tarzeau | even netcat can do |
| 21:58.05 | greycat | robin_sz: /topic #qmail |
| 21:58.07 | jp | well, I don't know what url I could find, but if I have one url, yes I can |
| 21:58.09 | Assid | okay..small weird issue.. |
| 21:58.24 | cadu | i'm facing a strange issue in debian sarge....i run "vncserver" on my account and it quits ok saying "running programs in ../../../Xsession...your display is localhost:!" , when i try doing vncviewer localhost:1 , it connects and opens ok , but in fact it didn't ran my windowmanager/apps, why ? |
| 21:58.28 | Assid | when i man anything on my sarge box.. i see weird characters instead of - |
| 21:58.32 | tarzeau | jp: do you have a reason to stay with woody? |
| 21:58.53 | jp | yes, my connection is not enough fast |
| 21:58.59 | robin_sz | greycat: /topic ?? meaning ?? go away to #qmail? |
| 21:58.59 | tarzeau | Assid: screenshot? |
| 21:59.07 | tarzeau | jp: that's not a reason!! |
| 21:59.12 | Assid | okay.. leme make one |
| 21:59.15 | greycat | robin_sz: type a slash, then the word topic, then a space, then a # sign, then the word qmail, then Enter. |
| 21:59.16 | tarzeau | jp: that's a problem -- your isp ;) |
| 21:59.17 | jp | so I cannot update efficiently, upgrade would be too long |
| 21:59.37 | Assid | tarzeau: it comes and goes |
| 21:59.43 | Assid | sometimes.. it happens.. sometimes it doesnt |
| 21:59.44 | jp | at least the first downloading to pass from Woody to Sarge would be too long |
| 21:59.46 | tarzeau | Assid: make a screenshot when it comes |
| 21:59.48 | greycat | Or you could join, like you just did. |
| 21:59.56 | Assid | but one thinsg that i get. is this: |
| 21:59.57 | Assid | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.08 | tarzeau | Assid: what window manager? terminal? |
| 22:00.16 | Assid | ssh.. putty.. from windows |
| 22:00.20 | robin_sz | greycat: "#debian :You need to be a channel operator to do that" .. as expected it tries to change the topic ... |
| 22:00.28 | tarzeau | Assid: bash? |
| 22:00.30 | Assid | i cant press the numbers on the num side of the keyboard |
| 22:00.38 | bilbo_pingouin | er.. james, maybe I misunderstood... but try < echo "hi" | mail email@domain > |
| 22:00.43 | Assid | GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i386-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 22:00.46 | greycat | robin_sz: I can't imagine xchat is THAT broken. |
| 22:00.49 | Covener | Has anyone ever seen ps output where the first letter of each argument is missing (/proc shows it the same)? |
| 22:01.05 | james | I want to send a largish email, with a couple of variables in there from a bash script ive already got working |
| 22:01.11 | jethro | greycat: I wish it were only xchat |
| 22:01.14 | jp | Nnethertheless I can send the complete message on a mail address if you accept to give me one address |
| 22:01.21 | tarzeau | james: nail can attache large files to mails |
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| 22:01.31 | greycat | jethro: you're telling me that there are actually widespread unix IRC clients that can't do "/topic #qmail"? |
| 22:01.32 | robin_sz | greycat: well, it isnt xchat ... 'topic is a channel command |
| 22:01.38 | Assid | tarzeau: just gives errors |
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| 22:01.48 | tarzeau | Assid: what errors? |
| 22:01.50 | james | Well its just plain text, with a couple of variables put inside the email |
| 22:01.53 | Assid | and when im not in nano.. the numlock works |
| 22:01.57 | jethro | greycat: I m afraid I am :) |
| 22:02.05 | tarzeau | Assid: maybe a bug in nano? |
| 22:02.06 | james | Needs to do it non-interactively too |
| 22:02.14 | tarzeau | Assid: echo $TERM 's what? |
| 22:02.23 | Assid | xterm |
| 22:02.26 | tarzeau | james: it is. man nail |
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| 22:02.31 | greycat | robin_sz: ok, I stand corrected. xchat *IS* that broken. |
| 22:02.39 | robin_sz | ta :) |
| 22:02.49 | tarzeau | robin_sz: try talksoup.app |
| 22:02.56 | Assid | also.. when i was installing sarge.. i saw that the characters had a offset |
| 22:03.13 | jethro | robin_sz: some IRC clients display the topic of the channel you gave as argument to /topic tho, hence greycat's "/topic #qmail" :) |
| 22:03.18 | Assid | i installed it from a dvd i got |
| 22:03.33 | greycat | s/some/Normal/ |
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| 22:04.14 | paulswm | xchat does it OK |
| 22:04.31 | cadu | i'm facing a strange issue in debian sarge....i run "vncserver" on my account and it quits ok saying "running programs in ../../../Xsession...your display is localhost:!" , when i try doing vncviewer localhost:1 , it connects and opens ok , but in fact it didn't ran my windowmanager/apps, why ? |
| 22:04.40 | paulswm | It put it in the Debian Servers window just fine |
| 22:05.20 | jethro | greycat: :) |
| 22:05.46 | paulswm | So no xchat breakage on /topic #qmail |
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| 22:06.16 | jp | well I've just seen that I've only the 24 last lines displayed by make, how can I have all the lines, the pipe doesn't work since make > file.txt doesn't work. What do you think? |
| 22:06.48 | greycat | jp: make 2>&1 | tee make.out |
| 22:07.05 | jp | ok thanks |
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| 22:07.30 | james | Hmm i cant seem to find a version of nail to run on the machine im trying to run it on |
| 22:07.41 | tarzeau | james: apt-get install nail |
| 22:07.43 | james | The latest seems to need glib 2.3, i think this has got 2.2 |
| 22:07.50 | james | This machine isnt debian unfortunatly :) |
| 22:07.52 | tarzeau | james: you run woody? |
| 22:07.59 | tarzeau | james: what is it? |
| 22:08.01 | james | slack |
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| 22:08.13 | tarzeau | james: do you have uuencode? |
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| 22:08.23 | jp | ok no I could put in one file all the messages displayed by make |
| 22:08.24 | james | yeah |
| 22:08.37 | tarzeau | james: you could convert anything to mime stuff (or hex using od) and then send it by mail |
| 22:08.48 | tarzeau | james: that'll also piss off the reciever ;) |
| 22:09.21 | james | blah, why cant it just be simple lol |
| 22:09.23 | Assid | is it suggested to update a woody box to sarge ? |
| 22:09.28 | gartt | I got sick of running a wire up the stairs like a geek, so I bought a WG311 TNA 108mbps card, and it worked flawlessly with madwifi |
| 22:10.33 | jp | oh, reading of the file makeS me worry. I know nothing in programming, but my bad English allows me to understand there's a problem, but I don't know how resolve it, because I don't know to program |
| 22:10.34 | tarzeau | Assid: does human life hang on your woody box? |
| 22:10.54 | Assid | so i guess no? |
| 22:10.58 | stew | heh |
| 22:11.20 | stew | Assid: is it an internet facing server? |
| 22:11.33 | Assid | yes |
| 22:11.50 | stew | Assid: then its not recommended |
| 22:11.54 | stew | it's |
| 22:12.17 | Assid | so i gotta wait.. |
| 22:12.19 | stew | Assid: sarge gets no security updates yet |
| 22:12.48 | Assid | someone told me go for it .. coz its more secure than woody apparently.. and with better usages |
| 22:12.55 | tarzeau | Assid: go for it |
| 22:13.01 | tarzeau | Assid: read debian-harden |
| 22:13.01 | nvz | yee haw |
| 22:13.10 | tarzeau | Assid: esp. the part about turning off the stuff you don't need |
| 22:13.16 | Assid | thats already off |
| 22:13.21 | tarzeau | Assid: don't run software whose name starts with wu- |
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| 22:13.23 | Assid | everything i need is. on.. else off |
| 22:13.29 | Assid | haha.. nah.. only pro |
| 22:13.30 | nvz | heh |
| 22:13.31 | tarzeau | Assid: go for it, then |
| 22:13.37 | tarzeau | Assid: pro is good |
| 22:13.56 | Assid | okay.. lemme try patching netqmail first |
| 22:14.00 | Assid | and then we se |
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| 22:20.57 | nvz | umm? |
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| 22:21.16 | nvz | wtf! |
| 22:21.27 | siimo | hi i have 1 question about the nvidia 1 liner : apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:21.28 | siimo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.46 | nvz | siimo: just check and see I guess :) |
| 22:21.50 | zeo33x | you have to change it youreslf |
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| 22:22.03 | PerfDave | siimo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:22.07 | nvz | siimo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, will let you do it |
| 22:22.12 | Assid | tarzeau: to update.. what do i need to do? |
| 22:22.14 | nvz | siimo: which is in there already |
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| 22:22.52 | nomed^ | hi |
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| 22:23.38 | cthulfuego | nvz: No, someone should k-line *!*@*.cox.net |
| 22:24.01 | nvz | its a good thing I am not logging, I would be wasting a lot of good HD space |
| 22:24.11 | cthulfuego | nvz: Yes, irc logs invariably are. |
| 22:24.17 | nvz | heh |
| 22:24.21 | nvz | I like my irc logs |
| 22:24.25 | nvz | which I dont have right now |
| 22:24.33 | tarzeau | Assid: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
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| 22:24.55 | tarzeau | Assid: can you see that? copy paste it to your /etc/apt/sources.list replace all sid and unstable with sarge |
| 22:24.56 | cthulfuego | Not only do they take up valuable hd space, they also use an fd and soem ram. |
| 22:25.03 | tarzeau | Assid: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:25.03 | slocate | hello |
| 22:25.16 | nomed^ | how can i change (by hands) fonts on xfce4? |
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| 22:25.31 | nvz | oh well, my boxes are usually overpowered IRC terminals anyhow |
| 22:25.35 | Assid | is that it ? or am i missing anything? |
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| 22:25.57 | gartt | lol nvz |
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| 22:26.22 | tarzeau | Assid: that's it |
| 22:26.34 | tarzeau | Assid: did you not read the debian/apt-get hater faq? |
| 22:26.59 | tarzeau | someone remembers where that faq is? |
| 22:27.03 | Assid | not sure i did .. |
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| 22:27.08 | nvz | I am serious.. I need like a dumb terminal, just a little thing with built in wireless hid input reciever of some kind.. and some linux on a chip with irssi and a 10/100 nic |
| 22:27.16 | JohnFlux | how do I get the multimedia keys working in kde ? :) |
| 22:27.23 | Assid | i wish i can get some shut eye |
| 22:27.31 | Assid | im already yawning |
| 22:27.31 | JohnFlux | they don't seem to be recognised as key presses |
| 22:27.37 | JohnFlux | I think i'm not mapping them right in X |
| 22:27.40 | tarzeau | nvz: with or without x? |
| 22:27.42 | nvz | well I want screen, and a web browser and stuff I guess |
| 22:27.44 | buu | Anyone know how I could figure out why mount /mnt/foo is taking so long, and how I could fix it? |
| 22:27.58 | tarzeau | nvz: i've tried links2 with svgalib, quite impressive, some days ago |
| 22:28.10 | nvz | tarzeau: I will check it out right now :P |
| 22:28.35 | jstevens | nvz: Sharp Zaurus.... |
| 22:28.42 | tarzeau | buu: a local disk? |
| 22:28.42 | jstevens | nvz: :-) |
| 22:28.49 | nvz | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 22:28.50 | nvz | heh |
| 22:29.01 | buu | tarzeau: Yep. |
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| 22:29.17 | buu | tarzeau: It's a fat32 extended type disk |
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| 22:29.42 | nvz | jstevens: yeah. I would need to hook it up to a bigger keyboard and display though |
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| 22:29.51 | buu | tarzeau: And it eventuall mounts after 30 seconds or so, but 'ls' on it takes a really long time. |
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| 22:30.30 | nvz | I am getting tired of 404 not founds with apt-get.. I need to put apt-get update in a cronjob or something |
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| 22:30.58 | tarzeau | buu: how large is it? |
| 22:31.05 | buu | tarzeau: 120g or so |
| 22:31.09 | tarzeau | buu: does dmesg show something about read/write errors? |
| 22:31.24 | tarzeau | nvz: got unofficial sources? |
| 22:31.45 | Assid | okay im really feeling weird.. i think i better head to bed |
| 22:31.46 | PerfDave | nvz: Ipaq? |
| 22:31.53 | Assid | tarzeau; greycat.. thanks |
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| 22:32.11 | buu | tarzeau: I get some 'FAT: Filesystem panic (dev hda5), invalid cluster chain' |
| 22:32.17 | tarzeau | buu: uh oh |
| 22:32.19 | tarzeau | buu: got a backup? |
| 22:32.23 | buu | No. |
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| 22:32.31 | tarzeau | buu: is the data important? |
| 22:32.32 | Assid | im starting to feel weird |
| 22:32.35 | buu | tarzeau: Yes. |
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| 22:32.46 | nvz | debhelper:-!- Withdraw [~Withdraw@ip68-5-125-44.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #debian \n -!- Withdraw [~Withdraw@ip68-5-125-44.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] (x10) in the past few minutes :( |
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| 22:32.51 | Pred1 | i try to configure postfix+mysql+courier, i can receive mails but i cant download them by pop3. in the log: login failed, in the mua: auth fail, in mysql.log: SELECT email, "", password, 5000, 5000, /data/mail, concat(email,'/'), "", "", "" FROM users WHERE email = "pred1@kondor.edu.ms" |
| 22:32.59 | tarzeau | buu: i'd umount it, turn it off,make a dd dupe |
| 22:33.04 | tarzeau | buu: and work on the backup copy |
| 22:33.15 | buu | ... |
| 22:33.15 | tarzeau | buu: have fun restoring. must be fun w/ 120gb |
| 22:33.25 | tarzeau | buu: what data is it? (just being curious here) |
| 22:33.41 | nvz | tarzeau: no just sarge.. if you dont update often you will be trying to fetch a version that has changed |
| 22:33.43 | buu | tarzeau: Mp3s, code, programs, etc. |
| 22:34.09 | buu | tarzeau: Theres nothing I can do 'in-situ' to just fix it? |
| 22:34.09 | tarzeau | buu: why do you put that important stuff in a partition of 120gb? more over on a fat32 one? |
| 22:34.15 | nvz | hmm.. so far I notice nothing different from running links2 |
| 22:34.19 | tarzeau | buu: maybe copy the stuff away, if you can? |
| 22:34.19 | buu | tarzeau: So I can read it from multiple operating systems. |
| 22:34.30 | tarzeau | buu: like which operating systems? |
| 22:34.35 | buu | Like windows and linux. |
| 22:34.53 | nvz | if I gotta go read a changelog to notice the difference between links and links2 I dont think I care :P |
| 22:35.13 | tarzeau | nvz: of course you'll want to apt-get update (before you apt-get install stuff) |
| 22:35.25 | tarzeau | nvz: links is completely different to links2 |
| 22:35.43 | nvz | tarzeau: so far it looks and feels identical. I am happy with links and this looks the same |
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| 22:35.58 | tarzeau | nvz: you didn't find out about links2 -g yet, right? |
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| 22:36.57 | possie | i'm seeing alot of "iowaits" in my top, what can be the problem? |
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| 22:37.18 | nvz | tarzeau: nope, so far it tells me I dont have directfb permissions or something.. going to finish reading the manpage |
| 22:37.20 | tarzeau | possie: what processes? |
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| 22:37.28 | tarzeau | possie: type h or ? for help about sorting |
| 22:37.38 | tarzeau | nvz: you got textmode or fb ? |
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| 22:38.16 | nvz | tarzeau: I am running screen in an aterm |
| 22:38.34 | tarzeau | nvz: tried terminal.app yet? |
| 22:38.44 | tarzeau | nvz: yeah, well links2 also works in x11 ;) |
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| 22:39.17 | possie | tarzeau: yeah let me look at h first, to see wich process is responsible for the iowait's, ps, it's a quad opteron machine amd64 |
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| 22:39.32 | nvz | tarzeau: well I am looking at the manpage but not grasping anything yet.. all mine says is that it cannot acces /dev/fb0 or whatever, and I know that :) I dont have a framebuffer in my kernel |
| 22:39.52 | nvz | heh I screen -x from tty1 and this screen is too big to fit on my console |
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| 22:40.09 | tarzeau | nvz: are you root? |
| 22:40.21 | tarzeau | nvz: can you read /usr/share/doc/links2 -- let me lart you! |
| 22:40.21 | nvz | tarzeau: hell no, why the hell would I run links2 as root |
| 22:40.24 | nvz | or screen |
| 22:40.36 | possie | tarzeau: i guess i need to sort by cpu usage right? |
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| 22:41.07 | james | im trying to echo a new line, echo "\n" > whatever doesnt seem to work |
| 22:41.10 | jakjak | my scsi module goes through this speed listing ritual at boot time, can I eliminate that |
| 22:41.12 | jakjak | ? |
| 22:41.29 | jakjak | echo -e "\n"> |
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| 22:43.09 | oelewappe | how do I check the syntax of /etc/network/interfaces without actually touching the network ? |
| 22:43.34 | michal_ | is there any way to list what packages (if any) installed on the system are NEWER than those available for download by apt-get ? |
| 22:43.51 | james | I seem to get 2 lines with that jakjak |
| 22:44.14 | idnar | oelewappe: you could pass -n to ifup or ifdown |
| 22:44.40 | stew | michal_: you trying to get apt to downgrade you or something? |
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| 22:44.57 | pego | hi |
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| 22:45.15 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah I dont like that idea |
| 22:45.24 | tarzeau | michal_: apt-get has a simulate switch i think |
| 22:45.25 | nvz | so far its not sounding tempting |
| 22:45.38 | tarzeau | michal_: or use -u and ctrl-c ? |
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| 22:45.48 | michal_ | stew: no.. just have a system that MAY be in a mixed stable/OLD testing.. but i can't tell |
| 22:45.53 | tarzeau | nvz: but you know you can do graphical surfing with it? |
| 22:46.41 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah well when I run links -g, it says it cannot open a framebuffer, and thats because I didnt compile one. and the docs say it needs to use svgalib as root, and that doesnt sound cool with me either :P |
| 22:46.52 | michal_ | stew: put it this way. when i changed the sources list to stable from testing it still wanted to upgrade everything |
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| 22:47.02 | stew | michal_: what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 22:47.05 | tarzeau | nvz: well run links2 -g in x thenn |
| 22:47.17 | nvz | tarzeau: thats where I am running it |
| 22:47.54 | michal_ | libc6 2.2.4-7 |
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| 22:48.18 | stew | !info libc6 woody |
| 22:48.21 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.2.5-11.5 (woody), Packaged size: 3303 kB, Installed size: 12760 kB |
| 22:48.48 | michal_ | well this is a testing with an older libc6 than stable :) |
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| 22:49.29 | stew | michal_: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 22:49.29 | michal_ | or at least the sources.list seemed to indicate it was testing.. but there is no way to know whether it was ever upgraded to testing.. or how it was originally installed |
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| 22:49.45 | michal_ | 3.0 |
| 22:50.02 | stew | michal_: maybe it was upgrade to testing when woody was testing |
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| 22:50.38 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah its pretty. but right now its not useful :P if I went back to using ion I could use that instead of a more bloated browser.. but I dont like the idea of using it with svgalib as root. |
| 22:50.44 | cthulfuego | michal_: Testing didn't always used to be sarge. |
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| 22:50.46 | james | echo -e "\n" for some reason is giving me 2 lines |
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| 22:51.04 | cthulfuego | james: Yes. Try 'echo -en ' |
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| 22:51.07 | cthulfuego | "\n" |
| 22:51.11 | tarzeau | nvz: well that's how svgalib can work |
| 22:51.15 | michal_ | so there is no way to test if any of the INSTALLED packages are NEWER than what's in the currently configured repository? |
| 22:51.18 | tarzeau | nvz: are you paranoid? |
| 22:51.25 | cthulfuego | james: For a normal empty line, just 'echo' suffices. |
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| 22:51.48 | james | cthulfuego: i tried echo "" nothing happened |
| 22:52.29 | cthulfuego | james: 'echo' - that just gives you a newline. |
| 22:52.45 | nachoguy | has anyone installed oracle client 9.2.0.5 and above on a debian machine? |
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| 22:53.01 | cthulfuego | james: Try 'echo -n "This line does not contain a CR"; echo' |
| 22:53.01 | nvz | tarzeau: I just dont like the sound of it |
| 22:53.10 | stew | michal_: it would probably be a good idea to changes sources.list to woody, and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:53.12 | james | Oh joy thanks cthulfuego |
| 22:53.23 | stew | michal_: and make sure there's a security line in there /msg dpkg security |
| 22:53.31 | nvz | tarzeau: I am not a wizard.. but I dont think there is any reason to take even the smallest chance running something as dumb as a litte web browser as root |
| 22:53.32 | grendal_prime | hey when you get streaming ....flash...does it get written to a tmp file on your system anywhere? |
| 22:53.58 | grendal_prime | if so i cant find the damn thing |
| 22:54.12 | nvz | tarzeau: it will probably default my downloads to /root, and have them owned by root..etc |
| 22:54.22 | nachoguy | browsers usually keep them in cache |
| 22:54.29 | nachoguy | for a short while anyway |
| 22:54.30 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
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| 22:54.59 | grendal_prime | tryn to figer a way to capture the new hitchickers guid to the galaxy trailer |
| 22:54.59 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 22:55.06 | grendal_prime | guide that is |
| 22:55.21 | bghfhfg | How do I stop a compiler from printing to the terminal? (the compiler doesn't have a silence option). |
| 22:55.22 | stew | grendal_prime: the cache would be in ~/.mozilla/ somewhere, goodluck |
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| 22:55.24 | tarzeau | nvz: rather make it suid, run it as user as told in usr/share/doc/links2 |
| 22:55.45 | grendal_prime | what if im using konq? |
| 22:55.57 | stew | grendal_prime: exercise for the reader |
| 22:56.08 | tarzeau | bghfhfg: &> /dev/null |
| 22:56.11 | cthulfuego | it's played through flash; probably need the FLASH cache (if that even caches) |
| 22:56.18 | cthulfuego | try $TEMP |
| 22:56.20 | tarzeau | bghfhfg: but why? |
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| 22:56.43 | tarzeau | bghfhfg: what compiler is it anyways? |
| 22:56.52 | stew | grendal_prime: cant you tell by looking at the source for the webpage? |
| 22:57.08 | nvz | whatever :P I'll look harder at what it does when I feel the need to care I guess.. it does look pretty but it doesnt seem to load pages any quicker than dillo or even firefox |
| 22:57.08 | bghfhfg | tarzeau: It's flooding me with useless warning messages, and there's no option to turn it off. And it's not technically a compiler, it's the linker. And make is calling it, and using make & doesn't work. |
| 22:57.38 | tarzeau | bghfhfg: make &> /dev/null ? |
| 22:57.45 | bghfhfg | It works! |
| 22:57.48 | bghfhfg | Thanks. |
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| 22:58.05 | nvz | who knows if I go back to using console, I might just compile my next kernel for framebuffer and use gpm or something try it that way, or I might just go back to using ion and use it in X as my default browser |
| 22:58.13 | grendal_prime | sure stew |
| 22:58.20 | grendal_prime | but it wont let me download it |
| 22:58.36 | stew | bastards |
| 22:58.42 | grendal_prime | it opens a plugin...im tring to figer where the flash plugin stores it |
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| 22:58.57 | grendal_prime | im assuming i can of course recompile the crap back into a flash file |
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| 22:59.06 | stew | grendal_prime: cant you get it from <insert current p2p of choice> yet? |
| 22:59.09 | grendal_prime | i can screen capture it...but thats not the same |
| 22:59.16 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 22:59.18 | grendal_prime | probably |
| 22:59.22 | cthulfuego | grendal_prime: hint: strace |
| 22:59.41 | grendal_prime | gnutella... |
| 22:59.42 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 22:59.44 | grendal_prime | strace |
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| 23:05.44 | darkskiez | I'm aware of a company violating the linux kernel gpl, and i dont know what I can do about it as the small company I work for depends on this other company for its hardware. |
| 23:06.20 | cthulfuego | darkskiez: Email Linus. |
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| 23:06.47 | cthulfuego | darkskiez: Or maybe even the FSF, they can tell you what to do and how to do it. |
| 23:06.52 | afrosheen | call EFF or FSF |
| 23:06.59 | helix | darkskiez: how's it violating it? (just curious) |
| 23:07.04 | FieldySnuts | I think calling fsf would be best |
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| 23:07.13 | stew | send sussidio's badger army after them |
| 23:07.19 | tarzeau | stew: heh |
| 23:07.22 | cthulfuego | Maybe call RMS, tell him their address... |
| 23:07.23 | FieldySnuts | and thanks for taking a stand, if you do :) |
| 23:07.33 | darkskiez | well they say its a grey area, as they are providing binary only modules for it. |
| 23:07.34 | tarzeau | cthulfuego: cafuego? |
| 23:07.39 | afrosheen | yeah I imagine RMS is just waiting for something to freak out over |
| 23:07.40 | cthulfuego | tarzeau: fooz? |
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| 23:07.58 | afrosheen | pay RMS to go there and sing that horrible song of his |
| 23:08.05 | cthulfuego | afrosheen: Keeping him occupied with something relatively harmless is a good thing[tm] |
| 23:08.05 | stew | darkskiez: their own module, or some module that they based off gpl code? |
| 23:08.07 | tarzeau | darkskiez: play the free software song of rms at work! |
| 23:08.14 | darkskiez | how can you tell if a binary module violates the gpl or not ? |
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| 23:08.26 | eflynn | tarzeau: :shudders: |
| 23:08.27 | afrosheen | darkskiez: decompile it? |
| 23:08.34 | stew | darkskiez: run strings on it? |
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| 23:08.45 | cthulfuego | darkskiez: stuff like 'strings' etc normally gives a good indication. |
| 23:08.46 | vorlon | what reason do you have to think a binary module *is* violating the GPL? |
| 23:08.48 | darkskiez | yeh, and what does that tell you |
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| 23:09.14 | cthulfuego | darkskiez: if a surprising number of function names match, you have a reson to be supicious. |
| 23:09.18 | darkskiez | what version added the MODULE_LICENCE function? |
| 23:09.19 | jcuk | wowow finally !!! |
| 23:09.22 | PerfDave | afrosheen: That's not good, hackers! |
| 23:09.26 | jcuk | onto teh debian |
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| 23:09.41 | FieldySnuts | "decompile" .. heh. |
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| 23:10.01 | cthulfuego | FieldySnuts: Yeah, gcc -D -o foo.o -c foo.c |
| 23:10.07 | cthulfuego | FieldySnuts: works *great* ;-) |
| 23:10.12 | FieldySnuts | k. |
| 23:10.15 | afrosheen | PerfDave: lol yeah |
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| 23:12.00 | afrosheen | which is better for a qmail-toaster setup, woody or sarge |
| 23:12.11 | harryvv | What file loads modules in debian distro? |
| 23:12.23 | tarzeau | the /etc/modules |
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| 23:12.29 | PerfDave | harryvv: What modules? |
| 23:12.35 | harryvv | wcfxo zaptel |
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| 23:12.44 | tarzeau | harryvv: well actually some script in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 23:12.55 | PerfDave | harryvv: kernel modules? |
| 23:13.10 | harryvv | no just modules. these are for a special modem. |
| 23:13.16 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 23:13.18 | darkskiez | I think it might be IBM actually |
| 23:13.28 | afrosheen | | /etc/modules.conf ... /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 23:13.39 | pego | hi , i have just install but i can have more than 800x 600 / |
| 23:13.49 | harryvv | come to think about it i think its /etc/init.d/asterisk |
| 23:13.49 | afrosheen | and /etc/modules.preload |
| 23:14.07 | afrosheen | pego: that's a good thing |
| 23:14.09 | pusling | when I plug in my network cable, dhcp starts and so on... But how? (Needs to run another script at same time) |
| 23:14.22 | FieldySnuts | @confuse pusling |
| 23:14.24 | ravenbird | yes them was their pineapple tomorrow ? |
| 23:14.28 | pego | afrosheen: i can't have more not i can have more lol sorry |
| 23:14.38 | raf256 | what is the propwer way to kill or restart apache2 or vsftpd? |
| 23:14.40 | pusling | FieldySnuts: huh? |
| 23:14.46 | harryvv | no modules.preload in my system |
| 23:15.00 | afrosheen | pego: oh well that's different then |
| 23:15.10 | afrosheen | harryvv: may not be there but the others should be |
| 23:15.11 | pego | hehe yeah sorry |
| 23:15.20 | harryvv | sure |
| 23:15.52 | abrotman | raf256: the init script |
| 23:15.56 | harryvv | ohh afrosheen you then would know running zap on *? |
| 23:15.57 | afrosheen | harryvv: are you running devfs or udev or anything else like that |
| 23:16.03 | harryvv | ext2 |
| 23:16.04 | afrosheen | harryvv: yeah it's easy |
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| 23:16.18 | stew | !drxx pego |
| 23:16.18 | dpkg | pego: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 23:16.25 | pego | ho thanks |
| 23:16.27 | abrotman | !stir stew |
| 23:16.32 | strubbel | hey :) |
| 23:16.39 | stew | eat me |
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| 23:16.43 | raf256 | abrotman: yeah, but what was the commend for that? I would read the man, but for what commend |
| 23:16.44 | abrotman | !eat stew |
| 23:16.56 | abrotman | raf256: usually /etc/init.d/program stop |
| 23:16.57 | raf256 | !eat pussy |
| 23:17.03 | raf256 | abrotman: thanx |
| 23:17.14 | strubbel | ouch |
| 23:17.16 | FieldySnuts | chomp? ow |
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| 23:17.29 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: *shrug* Some people like a bit of teeth action. |
| 23:17.34 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 23:17.41 | cureless | as opposed to nibble nibble nibble? |
| 23:17.58 | tarzeau | !milk cureless |
| 23:18.04 | PerfDave | A lot of teeth action? |
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| 23:19.28 | raf256 | any idea why after upgrading to 2.6.10 kernel, now vsftpd refuse connections with OOPS 500 |
| 23:19.39 | raf256 | and something about act_set_proc |
| 23:19.53 | harryvv | post-install wcfxsusb ztcfg |
| 23:19.53 | harryvv | post-install torisa ztcfg |
| 23:19.53 | harryvv | post-install tor2 ztcfg |
| 23:19.53 | harryvv | post-install wcfxo ztcfg |
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| 23:20.16 | FieldySnuts | jagoff. |
| 23:20.50 | strubbel | are the dimm's in notebooks the same as in pc's? |
| 23:21.00 | abrotman | usually no |
| 23:21.18 | strubbel | abrotman: do they have another size? |
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| 23:21.34 | abrotman | they who? .. and what is another? |
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| 23:21.47 | strubbel | i can't put a SDRAM, PC133, 3.3V Unbuffered, 168 Pins, SPD for a notebook in my pc? |
| 23:21.52 | raf256 | .j #flood |
| 23:21.59 | abrotman | strubbel: not likely |
| 23:22.04 | abrotman | strubbel: what kind of laptop is it? |
| 23:22.16 | jcuk | ok what command do i use to get packages on debian? i want to get gaim so.... apt-get gaim ? or what ;) |
| 23:22.18 | raf256 | please see in #flood my problem with vsftpd on 2.6.10 |
| 23:22.30 | lewinsky | apt-get install gaim |
| 23:22.35 | jcuk | right thanks |
| 23:22.40 | strubbel | abrotman: but the manual for my mobo says that it like those |
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| 23:22.42 | lewinsky | np |
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| 23:22.44 | stew | !faq jcuk |
| 23:22.44 | dpkg | jcuk: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:22.52 | abrotman | strubbel: what kind of laptop ? |
| 23:22.56 | Skaag | any way to release swap memory? |
| 23:23.08 | strubbel | abrotman: no notebook, i want to buy some memo |
| 23:23.10 | stew | Skaag: release? what do you mean? |
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| 23:23.23 | stew | Skaag: you want to turn swap off? |
| 23:23.25 | abrotman | strubbel: you're being damn confusing .. you want memory for your laptop right? |
| 23:23.29 | jcuk | stew: thanks |
| 23:23.31 | Skaag | stew: well, at some point swap memory was needed, so now there's 177mb used swap memory, and 644mb free ram |
| 23:23.39 | abrotman | Skaag: so what? |
| 23:23.41 | strubbel | abrotman: sorry, for pc |
| 23:23.45 | Skaag | stew: I'm just wondering why it's not being freed |
| 23:23.52 | abrotman | strubbel: that depends on your mother board also .. ask #hardware |
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| 23:24.01 | stew | Skaag: just trust that its doing the Right Thing (tm) |
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| 23:24.06 | Skaag | I see |
| 23:24.16 | cureless | memory wants to be free! specially the overworked swap |
| 23:24.18 | ^c | If I copy the files from my documents from a windows partition over to linux, what is the best way to set permissions |
| 23:24.20 | mikkele | I have both /etc/rcS.d/S36mountvirtfs and /etc/rcS.d/S02mountvirtfs. Isn't that wrong? |
| 23:24.23 | Skaag | are there known issues with hyperthreading in kernel 2.6.x? |
| 23:24.32 | stew | cureless: memory does not want to be free |
| 23:24.35 | FieldySnuts | Skaag: not that I've heard |
| 23:24.49 | stew | !free memory |
| 23:24.49 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 23:25.02 | cureless | stew, it was a joke. |
| 23:25.03 | Skaag | FieldySnuts: I get this when the machine boots: |
| 23:25.04 | Skaag | kernel BUG at mm/slab.c:1442! |
| 23:25.05 | Skaag | invalid operand: 0000 [#1] |
| 23:25.05 | Skaag | PREEMPT SMP |
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| 23:25.08 | ^c | I have two users, one who is the owner and the other in the same group of users |
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| 23:25.21 | strubbel | abrotman: i only asked, because my online-shop of trust only sells them for laptops |
| 23:25.27 | ^c | the owner can access the files which are at /win |
| 23:25.34 | ^c | but the other can't |
| 23:25.49 | cureless | maybe if I had s/overworked/oppressed/ it would have been clearer. |
| 23:25.51 | abrotman | strubbel: i still can't help you with out more specifics .. and it's more a question for #hardware |
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| 23:25.58 | strubbel | abrotman: it look like nobody needs or builds those in his/her pc |
| 23:26.11 | strubbel | abrotman: ...anymore |
| 23:26.21 | jstevens | I heard the other day that you could download ram from www.gentoo.org |
| 23:26.30 | ^c | if I can't get help here, where is a good tutorial for linux permissions |
| 23:26.47 | jstevens | :-) |
| 23:26.52 | abrotman | strubbel: erm .. if you say so |
| 23:26.53 | strubbel | jstevens: oh wow |
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| 23:27.19 | mikkele | is it normal to have two links to mountvirtfs in /etc/rcS.d? |
| 23:27.21 | jstevens | strubbel: I thinkit was graycat that said that.... |
| 23:27.23 | cureless | ^c: are you mounting the partition? |
| 23:27.37 | ^c | cureless: no, I copied the files over |
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| 23:27.51 | cureless | ^c: so you just want to change the permissions? |
| 23:28.07 | ^c | cureless: yes |
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| 23:28.33 | cureless | ^c: change them with chmod, you might be looking for something like g+rw |
| 23:28.44 | cthulfuego | AIYEE!! |
| 23:29.11 | ^c | cureless: tried that, doesn't allow my other user in |
| 23:29.27 | cureless | ^c: did you give the other user permissions on the directory? |
| 23:29.40 | ^c | cureless: how do you do that |
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| 23:29.53 | FieldySnuts | time to man chmod / man chown |
| 23:29.54 | cureless | ^c: same way you give permissions on files. |
| 23:30.24 | ^c | well I guess I did then, I want it to be accessible to a group of users called users |
| 23:30.47 | stew | ^c: man chgrp while you are at it |
| 23:30.53 | ^c | the two current are home and chris, both belong to group users |
| 23:31.10 | stew | ^c: what is the group owner of the file |
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| 23:31.26 | ^c | stew: home is I believe |
| 23:31.32 | cureless | ^c: yes, if you want to know what's going on read the man pages for chmod, chown, chgrp. Or google for unix permissions tutorial or something. |
| 23:31.54 | stew | ^c: you have a group named home in /etc/group? |
| 23:32.01 | ^c | I have read the man pages for chmod and chown, am reading chgrp |
| 23:32.04 | ^c | stew: yes |
| 23:32.19 | pfb | help - when someone has a moment could they help me understand what I am doing so I can ask a debian question |
| 23:32.25 | cureless | ^c: is your problem that you didn't give 'x' permission on the directory to the group? |
| 23:32.29 | Solet | i'm trying to install debian but the machine wont boot from cd, where do i get the floppy image of the boot disk needed to redirect the install back to the cd? |
| 23:32.30 | stew | ^c: then only the file owner and members of the home group will have access to the file |
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| 23:32.54 | ^c | stew: the file owner is home, the group is users |
| 23:33.30 | stew | and what are the permissions? |
| 23:33.32 | ^c | and I only want members of the group users to access the files |
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| 23:34.03 | stew | ^c: ls -ld /directory, what is the permissions string? rwxrwx... whatever |
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| 23:34.12 | ^c | drwSrw-rw- |
| 23:34.21 | jcuk | is there any way i can use "apt-get" to search for a specific file i need. I need the XMMS mp3 plugin so i can listen to mp3 .pls files through xmms |
| 23:34.39 | jcuk | im just thinking back to "yum" on fedora |
| 23:34.40 | cureless | jcuk: that should be part of xmms already. |
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| 23:35.01 | pfb | say |
| 23:35.13 | cureless | jcuk: but for a simple packages search you can do apt-cache saerch <string> |
| 23:35.33 | Solet | can anyone help me with my install? |
| 23:35.35 | jcuk | thanks cureless |
| 23:35.45 | pfb | anyone know how to install woody with the vanilla kernel but with version 2.4 or 2.6? It installed with version 2.2.2 |
| 23:35.45 | cureless | and I meant search* |
| 23:36.20 | cureless | pfb: boot with bf2.4 IIRC |
| 23:36.26 | abrotman | pfb: read the install guide maybe? |
| 23:36.28 | abrotman | !ig |
| 23:36.28 | dpkg | i guess ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 23:36.56 | abrotman | or hit F1 ... it brings up helpp |
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| 23:37.41 | pego | re |
| 23:38.13 | pfb | I will check. thanks. I did not see the option on the woody install |
| 23:38.22 | pego | hi i have done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for have 1024x780 but aftr i finished there no more thing, i have reboot xfree but nothing do |
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| 23:38.40 | cafuego | Aaaah, good old medication. |
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| 23:39.58 | sontek | Hey, I'm looking at installing ubuntu. But I have a "WinModem" does the Linux kernel have support for dialup modems in it now? |
| 23:40.05 | pego | noone can help ? |
| 23:40.24 | eflynn | pego: try learning grammar, then ask again |
| 23:40.35 | cureless | pego: if you modified the config file by hand dpkg-reconfigure won't modify it. |
| 23:40.56 | pego | i havent did nothing by hand |
| 23:41.02 | pego | just done reconf |
| 23:41.16 | Solet | eflynn: my question was perfectly grammatical, would it be possible to assist me while pego brushes up his english? |
| 23:41.31 | pego | arf |
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| 23:41.50 | thenuke | Solet: perfectly? |
| 23:42.06 | thenuke | Solet: like i'm should not be I am? |
| 23:42.15 | ^c | alright it was the sticky bit in the permissions!!!, removed it and voila :D |
| 23:42.36 | idnar | Solet: no it wasn't, your question has a missing apostrophe! |
| 23:42.42 | Solet | lol |
| 23:42.43 | Solet | ok |
| 23:42.52 | Solet | i'm still far better than pego |
| 23:42.55 | thenuke | Solet: And to be more precise.. I think it should have been something like, "I have been trying to install" or "I have tried to install" ;-D |
| 23:42.58 | thenuke | :-D |
| 23:43.05 | jvw | Hi, I can't get my soundcard to work with alsa, and I don't know what's wrong. Catting to /dev/dsp works. See also http://pastebin.ca/5985 for lspci, lsmod, and errors from xmms |
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| 23:43.13 | thenuke | oookey ok.. let me count your points :) |
| 23:43.14 | pfb | I see nothing in the woody installation which allows the Vanilla kernel to be higher than version 2.2.20. Anyone know how to get 2.4? |
| 23:43.18 | thenuke | for grammar |
| 23:43.25 | dureyes | when I look up my sources.list I see there are two file with the same name, except that the secound one says sources.list~ is it safe to delete one of them? TIA |
| 23:43.31 | Solet | ok grammar asside... can we talk code for a moment? |
| 23:43.55 | idnar | thenuke: roll for #debian-question-answering check... 6! |
| 23:43.55 | cafuego | pfb: Yes. Type 'bf24' at the boot prompt. |
| 23:44.09 | pego | so :/ |
| 23:44.13 | thenuke | idnar: I quite did not get that =) |
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| 23:44.32 | idnar | thenuke: AD&D reference :P |
| 23:44.45 | thenuke | I know D&D and such :P |
| 23:44.51 | jvw | Oh, and I'm running sarge, stock 2.6 kernel, i386 |
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| 23:44.59 | solomon | who has a favorite hardware source |
| 23:45.09 | cureless | idnar: and you got a 6? crappy dice |
| 23:45.19 | solomon | i'm getting pissed at pricewatch and sifting through vendors with 80% negative feedback |
| 23:45.36 | pfb | cafuego: bf24 does not show me the 8128too driver I need. the vanilla install does make it available. What am I missing? |
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| 23:46.03 | jcuk | hey, when i try to open and play my .pls file through xmms it recognises it and buffers fully but doesent play? |
| 23:46.07 | stonie | hi |
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| 23:46.18 | stonie | how do i get rid of "libgcrypt11-dev: Depends: libgcrypt11 (= 1.2.0-4) but 1.2.0-9.backports.org.1" ?!? |
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| 23:46.33 | cureless | solomon: newegg.com -> #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:46.40 | cafuego | pfb: That's coz there is *NO* 8128too driver. In *any* kernel./ |
| 23:46.41 | cureless | pfb: maybe it's named differently? |
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| 23:47.08 | cafuego | pfb: You want the 8139too module. Which probably doesn't exist either, coz it's hardcoded in. |
| 23:47.10 | Solet | where do i get the disk-image for a boot disk to the cd install? |
| 23:47.12 | solomon | cureless: they're out of stock :) anyway, going |
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| 23:47.20 | Skatta | Is It possible to create links to directories, ive read man ln and it doesnt sound good!? |
| 23:47.39 | Kvant | Skatta, use ln -s |
| 23:47.39 | strubbel | Skatta: ln -s is goood |
| 23:47.41 | ^c | Skatta: ln -s foo foo |
| 23:47.58 | ^c | mwhahahaha |
| 23:48.04 | pfb | cafuego: so bf24 should work for my realtek network adapter without loading any modules for it? |
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| 23:48.39 | stonie | i deleted everything with backports already in the sources.list, and upgraded to sarge a while ago.. so far everythigs fine |
| 23:48.51 | jcuk | wow check it out. on channel join i get a bunch of spammers offering me free sex vids hah |
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| 23:49.07 | Roadrunne | is there a cpu benchmark in debian? |
| 23:49.07 | Skatta | Kvant, strubbel, ^c, with the first foo being a file and the secondary being a directory? |
| 23:49.11 | ^c | jcuk: what channl? |
| 23:49.43 | jcuk | i lyk the apt-get thang. make package handling a whole lot easier |
| 23:49.46 | ^c | Skatta: man ln |
| 23:49.53 | stonie | but now im getting "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgcrypt11-dev: Depends: libgcrypt11 (= 1.2.0-4) but 1.2.0-9.backports.org.1 is to be installed" while installing |
| 23:49.54 | strubbel | Skatta: the target is your dir |
| 23:50.01 | dureyes | when I look up my sources.list I see there are two file with the same name, except that the secound one says sources.list~ is it safe to delete one of them? TIA |
| 23:50.40 | ^c | stonie: that happens when start using non pure debian packages |
| 23:51.15 | jstevens | dureyes: IMHO ... delete sources.list~ ... it's probably a phantom from when someone had nano open modifying sources.list |
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| 23:51.36 | dureyes | thank you |
| 23:51.46 | jstevens | dureyes: that's assuming that there's no one else on the system now modifying it :-) |
| 23:52.23 | dureyes | fresh install, just half hour ago just me |
| 23:52.49 | jstevens | dureyes: got ya |
| 23:53.00 | bucky | heya grumpydog |
| 23:53.12 | grumpydog | heya bucky |
| 23:53.14 | jstevens | dureyes: you aren't curently running dselect, apt, aptitude, etc are ya? |
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| 23:53.34 | vinay | is it possible to setup X with xinerama such that one of the displays is really a remote screen? I have a desktop and a laptop, i want to utilize the laptop's screen as Screen2 for my desktop .. is that possible? |
| 23:53.35 | jstevens | dureyes: just trying to think of anything that might have created the sources.list~ |
| 23:54.00 | dureyes | I am currently running it...but when I was not it was still there |
| 23:54.02 | ^c | vinay: interesting |
| 23:54.23 | vinay | .. over lan! |
| 23:54.30 | vinay | ^c: lol, yes, everybody says that .. but nobody has a solution! :O |
| 23:54.34 | jstevens | dureyes: dunno where it came from then |
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| 23:54.53 | ^c | vinay: I don't know how either, but it would be cool |
| 23:55.05 | dureyes | big mystery..this is a sarge install |
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| 23:55.23 | scotth | hi, does anyone in here have experience with cdbs? |
| 23:55.31 | vinay | ^c: would require some sort of "ethernet" video driver for my desktop that opens up a port and some sort of X-client on my laptop that connects to that ip |
| 23:55.39 | juhov | vinay: I don't know anything about xinerama, but have you tried x2x? |
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| 23:56.16 | Solet | does anyone know where on the debian site i can find the disk image for a floppy boot disk? |
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| 23:56.38 | vinay | juhov: never heard of it.. hmm, okay |
| 23:56.43 | vinay | will check it out. thanks :-) |
| 23:56.53 | idnar | thenuke: it was in the spirit of http://penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-12-10&res=l |
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| 23:57.15 | jstevens | Solet: browse the download FTP tree ... it's in the disks directory under your arch & dist |
| 23:57.16 | brlancer | does anyone know how to set openssh to accept krb tickets but NOT to try and retrieve a ticket via passwdauth? |
| 23:57.21 | jcuk | in sarge where is the xorg.conf kept? |
| 23:57.29 | jcuk | its not in /etc/X11 |
| 23:57.48 | jstevens | jcuk: sarge doesn't use Xorg ... |
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| 23:58.18 | cafuego | jstevens: No debian version uses xorg. |
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| 23:58.31 | jcuk | jstevens: so xserver is not xorg? |
| 23:58.40 | jstevens | jcuk: it's XFree86 |
| 23:58.44 | cafuego | jstevens: xserver-xfree86 - note the xfree86 |
| 23:58.51 | cafuego | Bah, jcuk |
| 23:59.03 | jstevens | cafuego: :-) |
| 23:59.13 | cafuego | Stupid J people |
| 23:59.14 | jcuk | cafeugo: you see. i r t e h noobie :)) |
| 23:59.19 | jstevens | LMAO |
| 23:59.27 | jcuk | xchat wont lemme do the |
| 23:59.31 | jcuk | wlel |
| 23:59.46 | jcuk | anyway... wheres the conf file for xfree86? |
| 23:59.56 | tarzeau | jcuk: in /etc/X11/ |
