| 00:00.04 | cafuego | jcuk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (/etc/X11/XF86Config-4) |
| 00:00.15 | jstevens | jcuk: ^ |
| 00:00.22 | jcuk | no i need to edit it so i can get a higher fkin res than 800x600 |
| 00:00.33 | jcuk | oh right k. |
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| 00:01.40 | pego | re |
| 00:01.54 | pego | all work good but anyone know where i can find cool theme for KDE ? |
| 00:02.03 | Flimzy | pego: They make those? |
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| 00:03.18 | alejandro_ | does anyone managed to have the tabs in the bottom and not in the top of the console window? (gnome) |
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| 00:03.53 | strubbel | pego: perhaps themes.org? |
| 00:04.12 | pego | i ll try |
| 00:04.14 | harryvv | I know chkconfig works on redhat but can it run on debian? |
| 00:04.17 | pego | ty |
| 00:04.25 | stew | harryvv: update-rc.d |
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| 00:04.49 | stew | alejandro_: try #gnome on irc.gnome.org or something |
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| 00:05.14 | alejandro_ | (I've tried gconf-editor but nothing there...) |
| 00:05.16 | jannol | pego, http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ |
| 00:05.36 | pego | thanks |
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| 00:05.55 | renato | ciaooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 00:06.14 | harryvv | stew its not installed |
| 00:06.41 | resiak | harryvv: As root. |
| 00:06.41 | stew | harryvv: in /usr/sbin |
| 00:06.59 | harryvv | as root of course and I am |
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| 00:07.08 | Paco | hi everyone |
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| 00:07.50 | harryvv | chkconfig is not in /usr/sbin |
| 00:07.59 | resiak | harryvv: update-rc.d |
| 00:08.10 | Paco | where is my kerne; source if i have debian sarge? |
| 00:08.12 | harryvv | its asking for more options |
| 00:08.13 | bucky | harryvv, apt-cache show sysv-rc-conf |
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| 00:08.19 | resiak | harryvv: man update-rc.d |
| 00:09.02 | harryvv | paco got alot of info on that |
| 00:09.06 | bucky | update-rc.d doesnt list runlevels like chkconfig does it? |
| 00:09.06 | resiak | Paco: Nowhere, unless you install it. apt-cache search kernel-source. But you probably just want the headers. apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 00:09.07 | stew | Paco: apt-cache search kernel-source, pick one, apt-get install it it will be in /usr/src |
| 00:09.09 | renato | come posso avere le pagine man in italiano |
| 00:09.14 | resiak | bucky: What runlevels? :-)] |
| 00:09.16 | stew | !it |
| 00:09.16 | dpkg | methinks italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 00:10.17 | Paco | (stew): thanks... |
| 00:10.26 | bucky | resiak, i like to know info like chkconfig --list <service-name> shows but i have really found anything in debian like that |
| 00:10.29 | renato | dpkg io sono nuovo |
| 00:10.30 | dpkg | renato: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:10.32 | stew | Paco: resiak is probably right, why do you want kernel-source? |
| 00:10.45 | resiak | bucky: What does that show? I haven't run RedHat in a while. |
| 00:10.48 | Paco | (stew): i am trying to install ndiswrapper |
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| 00:10.55 | resiak | renato: dpkg is a bot. /join #debian-it |
| 00:11.01 | jcuk | Ok, How do i find out whch version of Xfree86 i have? |
| 00:11.04 | resiak | Paco: You probably only want the headers then. |
| 00:11.09 | stew | Paco: you want to install the kernel-headers for the running kernel (uname -r) |
| 00:11.09 | Paco | (stew): and it is a a pain in the posterior! |
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| 00:11.31 | resiak | jcuk: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86. But why do you want to know? |
| 00:11.35 | Paco | (stew): well, acording to the directions, i need both source and headers |
| 00:11.38 | bucky | resiak, basically the same thing that update-rc.d -f <service-name> remove shows but it doesnt remove them |
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| 00:11.49 | abrocadabro | how do I hold back packages when I am doing apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:12.01 | resiak | abrocadabro: Read the apt-howto |
| 00:12.08 | resiak | !tell abrocadabro -about apt-howto# |
| 00:12.11 | resiak | !tell abrocadabro -about apt-howto |
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| 00:12.54 | jcuk | resiak: So i can get the uptodate ATI Catalyst Drivers for my graphics card :) |
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| 00:13.17 | resiak | !tell jcuk about ati drivers |
| 00:13.20 | shingoki | I realise this is probably a dumb question, but how would I find out when/if wx 2.5 will make it into debian testing? |
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| 00:13.24 | resiak | bucky: rcconf might be what you're after. |
| 00:13.40 | Flimzy | What is wx 2.5? |
| 00:13.54 | resiak | WxWidgets. |
| 00:14.04 | Flimzy | As for the answer to your question... Is it already in unstable? If so, then _probably_ (but no guarantee) a few weeks. |
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| 00:14.06 | bucky | resiak, that's it |
| 00:14.08 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 00:14.15 | jcuk | resiak: sooo... i can use apt-get to get the latest ati drivers or what? |
| 00:14.16 | Flimzy | If it's not in unstable, then the answer becomes "a few weeks after somebody adds it to unstable" |
| 00:14.21 | bucky | glad that was to easy to find out |
| 00:14.29 | shingoki | Flimzy, thats great, its in unstable |
| 00:14.36 | shingoki | Flimzy, is it really nroamlly just a few weeks? |
| 00:14.38 | bucky | harryvv, are you still having problems starting asterisk |
| 00:14.42 | resiak | jcuk: READ WHAT IT SAID. |
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| 00:14.45 | Flimzy | Unless of course it has a license that prohibits it from being included in Debian, then the answer is "Never." or "Whenever it's released under a new licsene" |
| 00:14.53 | Flimzy | shingoki: It depends on the package. |
| 00:15.03 | Paco | (stew): have u ever tried to install ndiswrapper? |
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| 00:15.07 | resiak | Paco: I have. |
| 00:15.09 | shingoki | Flimzy, right... just seems a lot of stuff needs it :) |
| 00:15.11 | resiak | Paco: What's the problem? |
| 00:15.12 | stew | Paco: i haven't |
| 00:15.26 | harryvv | everything starts just fine bucky. It is where to edit the start modules or init.d files so it LOADS wcfxo and zaptel when it boots. |
| 00:15.28 | njan | pack, I have too |
| 00:15.32 | Flimzy | shingoki: I think it has more to do with how long it's been in unstable without any changes |
| 00:15.34 | njan | s/pack/Paco/ |
| 00:15.42 | jcuk | resiak: im a lazy reader but i got ya ;) |
| 00:15.47 | Paco | (resiak): the problem is that i am trying to follow the wiki on sourceforge for Install Debian Sarge, and I am getting nowhere |
| 00:15.50 | shingoki | Also, I found a package that is broken, can anye check I'm not being dumb? The wacom packages don't work... |
| 00:15.54 | stew | harryvv: /etc/modules |
| 00:15.55 | resiak | Paco: Define "getting nowhere". |
| 00:16.23 | shingoki | When I say don't work, I mean they make a module "wacom" with undefined symbols |
| 00:16.36 | shingoki | Downgrading one of the source files in the package fixes things |
| 00:16.53 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:16.53 | shingoki | I'm just wondering who I tell about this :) |
| 00:16.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 00:17.08 | resiak | abrotman: And your point is? |
| 00:17.11 | Paco | resiak..well, when i run "make install" for nidswrapper, it says i cant find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/build; give path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> arguemnt to make |
| 00:17.19 | renato | come faccio a collegarmi ad una cht in italiano |
| 00:17.30 | stew | Paco: install kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 00:17.45 | resiak | !it |
| 00:17.46 | dpkg | well, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 00:17.48 | resiak | renato: ^^ |
| 00:17.53 | Flimzy | shingoki: If it's a bug, use the BTS |
| 00:18.15 | shingoki | Flimzy, ok... anyone who knows a bit more who wants to work out if its a bug, or do I just file it? |
| 00:18.40 | ^c | !dict getting nowhere |
| 00:18.42 | dpkg | could not find definition for getting nowhere |
| 00:18.45 | abrotman | !fart on resiak |
| 00:18.46 | Paco | (resiak): it says 'can't find package' |
| 00:18.51 | renato | ciao grazie |
| 00:18.54 | jcuk | resiak: E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver |
| 00:19.02 | resiak | jcuk: READ THE SMEGGING FACTOID! |
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| 00:19.55 | resiak | jcuk: More to the point, read the site. You'll need to add new sources to your sources.list |
| 00:20.00 | shingoki | jcuk, ati cards are awful under linux |
| 00:20.05 | Flimzy | shingoki: First, see if it's already been filed. |
| 00:20.10 | abrocadabro | does /etc/apt/preferences exist by default? |
| 00:20.10 | shingoki | jcuk, you won't get far without hard work and dedication |
| 00:20.15 | shingoki | Flimzy, just checking |
| 00:20.32 | stew | abrocadabro: no |
| 00:20.39 | directhex | jcuk, you won't even get nowhere without foll0wing flavio stanchina's debian ati howto to the letter |
| 00:20.50 | Flimzy | shingoki: Refer to the reportbug documentation. It tells standard procedure for filing a bug, including standard procedure for testing it before sumission. |
| 00:20.54 | abrocadabro | stew: to hold back packages one has to create this file? |
| 00:21.02 | stew | abrocadabro: no, /msg dpkg hold |
| 00:21.20 | jcuk | So i need to do all of this that it says on the site instead of just downloading and installin the files from ati's page? |
| 00:21.32 | jcuk | oki doki. |
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| 00:21.36 | Paco | (resiak): i did an apt-cache search for kernel-headers, and the only matching header that came up was 2.4-386..there was no 2.4.27-1-386 to be found |
| 00:22.03 | Flimzy | Paco: You need a less annoying nick completion script |
| 00:22.27 | dureyes | riserfs recommended over ext3 which is the default for sarge? |
| 00:22.28 | jcuk | oh that sucks |
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| 00:22.40 | jcuk | it supports ever ATI 9600 Series card exept my XT one :( |
| 00:23.03 | resiak | Paco: Get kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386, then its headers. |
| 00:23.04 | directhex | jcuk, 9600xt is supported. |
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| 00:23.28 | resiak | dureyes: ext3 is Sarge's default. By whom is Reiser recommended, dare I ask? |
| 00:23.29 | jcuk | i see 9600 TX but not XT |
| 00:23.42 | directhex | well. 'supported' may or may not work, FSVO 'work' |
| 00:23.48 | slackd00d | i use reiser |
| 00:23.48 | jcuk | k |
| 00:23.50 | directhex | there is no TX. it's a typo |
| 00:23.55 | Paco | (resiak): already got them |
| 00:24.15 | EfaistOs | does someone have an ipod shuffle ? |
| 00:24.31 | resiak | Paco: Well, then, boot with the appropriate (2.4.27-2) kernel. |
| 00:24.34 | shingoki | Flimzy, I think it has just been fixed, must have been in the last few days |
| 00:24.40 | shingoki | Flimzy, thanks for help |
| 00:24.51 | Flimzy | shingoki: np |
| 00:25.26 | jcuk | omg i need to learn how to build a debian package from source. boy this will be fun >8-] |
| 00:25.28 | Paco | (resiak): i dont know how to boot with that2.4.27-2 kernel..is there good doc's for it on google? |
| 00:25.38 | Flimzy | jcuk: it's pretty easy |
| 00:25.49 | resiak | Paco: Have you installed kernel-image-2.4.27-2 ? |
| 00:26.01 | resiak | Paco: If so, reboot and choose it at your bootloader screen. |
| 00:26.05 | jcuk | Flimzy: Lemme guess... ./configure, make, make install etc? |
| 00:26.12 | directhex | jcuk, just follow the instructions on flavio's page. it still may not work, of course. atis' drivers are horriffic. and if it does work, it'll be unstable, and much slower than an old nvidia |
| 00:26.15 | Flimzy | jcuk: Hell no |
| 00:26.18 | Flimzy | jcuk: that's the hard way to compile things |
| 00:26.37 | jcuk | directhex your just putting me off my old gf2 arent you. |
| 00:26.49 | jcuk | or should i say my new ati |
| 00:26.51 | shingoki | Flimzy, yup its been fixed, but for some reason I don't see the new package -6, I see the old one -4... |
| 00:27.07 | Flimzy | shingoki: apt-get update |
| 00:27.16 | shingoki | Flimzy, fix notice is from the 12th |
| 00:27.20 | shingoki | Flimzy, yup I did that :( |
| 00:27.27 | directhex | jcuk, the ati might be a tiny bit faster under linux, but only a few percentage points in it. and the gf2 will give you better graphics on linux-native games like ut2004 |
| 00:27.51 | jcuk | directhex: rofl your joking me right? |
| 00:27.52 | shingoki | Flimzy, well I did reload in synaptic, I hope that does the same thing :) |
| 00:28.22 | directhex | jcuk, geforce 4 ti4200, radeon 9800xt. guess by how much the ti4200 craps on the 9800 |
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| 00:28.31 | shingoki | jcuk, sad as it sounds, you probably are better with an old nvidia that works perfectly, than a new ati that will never ever work |
| 00:28.42 | jcuk | omg |
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| 00:28.45 | shingoki | jcuk, not that it is THAT easy installing nvidia either, since the packages are only in unstable |
| 00:28.57 | shingoki | jcuk, for strange and frustrating reasons |
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| 00:29.19 | Paco | (resiak): i did the apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386, so i guess I installed it, but I do not have a bootloader screen |
| 00:29.26 | Flimzy | What is the best sub-$60 video card for Linux these days? |
| 00:29.30 | directhex | jcuk, the answer is '50% faster on the ti4200 than the 9800xt' |
| 00:29.34 | resiak | Paco: I gotta go. I'll leave you in the hands of everyone else. |
| 00:29.35 | directhex | Flimzy, for 2d or 3d? |
| 00:29.44 | shingoki | Flimzy, dunno, whatever the best sub$60 nvidia card is :) |
| 00:29.55 | Flimzy | directhex: Primarily 3d I suppose. |
| 00:30.06 | jcuk | skingoki. Either way i test how my graphic card is performing on linux through that euphoric screensaver on kde. it seems to be the same now as it was on my old gf2. slow, jumpy and 0.5 frames per second heh |
| 00:30.08 | streuner | sub$60? |
| 00:30.10 | shingoki | ati has weird stuff in apps like blender under any OS as well |
| 00:30.13 | Flimzy | directhex: I'm not terribly concerned about 2D performance. |
| 00:30.15 | directhex | Flimzy, well whatever nvidia you can afford then |
| 00:30.26 | Flimzy | Hmm |
| 00:30.29 | Flimzy | weird |
| 00:30.35 | shingoki | ati had better value for money for a while, but I think nvidia is probably a better bet for anyone at any price now |
| 00:30.36 | directhex | jcuk, or in other words you had no 3d drivers then & don't now? |
| 00:30.47 | Flimzy | I would have expected somethinb better than nvidia, considering nvidia's closed driver state |
| 00:31.02 | jcuk | directhex i downloaded the opengl linux drivers from the nvidia site and that was on slackware kde 3.2 |
| 00:31.10 | shingoki | jcuk, nvidia performance should be good. You are probably still running software on both, try glxinfo |
| 00:31.12 | directhex | Flimzy, well you could use a bottom-of-the-range ati, but it will only work wityh gl screensavers |
| 00:31.17 | streuner | wth is 'sub$60' ? :-) |
| 00:31.29 | peterS | streuner: costing less than 60 US dollars |
| 00:31.32 | Flimzy | directhex: hehe. I have a GF4 right now. Was thinking of replacing it soon, tho. |
| 00:31.45 | shingoki | I wish there was a card with open source drivers |
| 00:31.45 | directhex | Flimzy, if $60 is your budget, keep it |
| 00:31.50 | shingoki | well, good open source drivers |
| 00:31.55 | Paco | (Flimzy): if did the apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386, does that mean that the new kernel has been 'installed'? |
| 00:31.56 | bucky | the TI-200 is the lowest card you can use with doom3 |
| 00:31.56 | directhex | shingoki, well, there isn't. |
| 00:31.58 | streuner | peterS: yes that what guessed too, but for what does sub stand for? |
| 00:32.02 | Flimzy | directhex: I guess I probably will. |
| 00:32.07 | peterS | streuner: sub == below |
| 00:32.10 | directhex | shingoki, throw your support behind the Open Graphics Project? |
| 00:32.14 | bucky | but there are 5700's out there for $75 new |
| 00:32.17 | Flimzy | Paco: probably. But why are you asking me? |
| 00:32.17 | shingoki | like sub par, submarine, subhuman |
| 00:32.19 | shingoki | from latin |
| 00:32.26 | jcuk | shingoki: its thrown up a bunch of information ;) |
| 00:32.34 | directhex | i'm not sure a 5700 is enough of an increase on a 4200 for $75 |
| 00:32.45 | Paco | (Flimzy): because you were the only person who has talked to me at all, aside from resiak |
| 00:32.46 | bucky | well taken |
| 00:32.53 | shingoki | jcuk, look for name of card manufacturer in there - if you've got it, good. If not it probably mentions SGI and mesa, that means you have software |
| 00:33.08 | streuner | The point is not what you can get for 60 bucks, the point is what games you wanna play... :-) |
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| 00:33.11 | shingoki | jcuk, if you have bad performance on an nvidia card, you are probably still running nvidia |
| 00:33.14 | shingoki | um mesa |
| 00:33.18 | Flimzy | Paco: All I remember saying to you was that you need a less annoying nick completion script. |
| 00:33.26 | shingoki | sorry sentence made no sense, second nvidia should be mesa :) |
| 00:33.37 | jcuk | server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 00:33.45 | jcuk | oh well |
| 00:33.47 | Paco | (Flimzy): and since i dont even know what that is, i am assuming you are much smarter than I am at this stuff |
| 00:33.49 | shingoki | yeah, so you don't have nvidia driver |
| 00:33.52 | jcuk | should i try throwing in my gf2 card? |
| 00:34.01 | streuner | If you wanna play some games you might have to spend 1000 bucks for a videocard |
| 00:34.07 | shingoki | jcuk, wait one sec I will get you good instructions on installing nvidia on sarge, is that what you are using? |
| 00:34.07 | jcuk | shingoki i currently have my 9600XT in |
| 00:34.10 | Flimzy | Paco: That is the part of your script that puts annoying parenthesis around everyone's nick name when you talk to them. |
| 00:34.15 | streuner | with all comfort ;-) |
| 00:34.19 | Flimzy | Paco: like (Flimzy): |
| 00:34.19 | peterS | jcuk: I'm using a gf2 right now. in text mode. 144x72 chars. best text mode I've ever used in my life. |
| 00:34.21 | directhex | jcuk, you could try following flavio stanchina's guide, or put in an nvidia where peopel will be able to help you more easily |
| 00:34.21 | shingoki | jcuk, I have tried getting 9800XT working, its just not worth it |
| 00:34.29 | directhex | !tell shingoki about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:34.32 | shingoki | nvidia is great for blender |
| 00:34.33 | Paco | (Flimzy): i dont control that...i apologize |
| 00:34.57 | shingoki | directhex, yeah I suppose that probably works :) |
| 00:34.58 | jcuk | shingoki so its gna be a matter of switching around when i use either windows or linux :P but ok. i wanna see what performance i can get from this nvidia on linux |
| 00:35.01 | Flimzy | Paco: Someone is forcing you to use a stupid IRC client? |
| 00:35.05 | jcuk | brb switching video cards |
| 00:35.13 | streuner | peterS: did you ever played games? |
| 00:35.21 | directhex | shingoki, probably? |
| 00:35.23 | shingoki | now there is a man who is going to wear out his AGP slot |
| 00:35.27 | Paco | Flimzy, i use gamers |
| 00:35.27 | peterS | streuner: not the sorts of games that require 3D accel |
| 00:35.38 | shingoki | directhex, well last time I was in it just didn't work because of weird unstable nvidia thing |
| 00:35.40 | Flimzy | Paco: You use what? |
| 00:35.46 | Paco | Flimzy, i use gamers irc |
| 00:35.50 | shingoki | directhex, but I'm sure it works if you add unstable sources |
| 00:35.56 | Flimzy | Paco: what the heck is that? |
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| 00:36.17 | Paco | Flimzy, i dont know..i just found it...do u see paranthesis anymore? |
| 00:36.21 | shingoki | directhex, I ended up downloading the unstable packages and doing the isntall myself, it still wasn't hard, I just hurt my brain trying to work out what had happened to the nvidia packages |
| 00:36.32 | streuner | peterS: never played C&C? |
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| 00:36.39 | peterS | streuner: nope |
| 00:36.46 | shingoki | directhex, and you also need the one line /etc/modules fix, I don't know if that assistant thing does that? |
| 00:36.58 | directhex | shingoki, read what dpkg told you again. |
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| 00:37.07 | shingoki | directhex, oh sorry its in there, I suck :) |
| 00:37.16 | pusling | I have set Dir::Etc::SourceList in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ - but apt won't use the alternative sources.list ? Any help? |
| 00:37.19 | shingoki | directhex, well thats cool then, I'm glad I know the easy way now :) |
| 00:37.39 | Flimzy | Paco: No |
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| 00:38.36 | shingoki | directhex, I wish you'd been in here when I was trying to get it installed last time :) |
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| 00:41.04 | streuner | peterS: I know people they used to play C&C in LAN over a (almost) a whole day (mostly 4 players) - its fun... |
| 00:43.03 | directhex | streuner, but hardly 3d accelerated, it ran on a 486 with msdos |
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| 00:43.30 | streuner | directhex: sure :-) |
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| 00:44.10 | streuner | directhex: no - they use Celeron >2000 |
| 00:44.44 | shingoki | its still not 3d :) |
| 00:44.45 | wm` | i'm trying to get apache2+ssl up, with virtual hosts, and i have a few config questions (i've got apache2 up, along with my virtual hosts, but i can't seem to get ssl to run), does anyone have a few minutes for me? |
| 00:44.55 | shingoki | we should all just play software mode quake |
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| 00:45.26 | jcuk | ok |
| 00:45.37 | jcuk | im on my gf2 now. |
| 00:45.53 | directhex | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:45.53 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
| 00:45.59 | streuner | !congratulate jcuk |
| 00:46.00 | dpkg | Yay jcuk, you did it! |
| 00:46.05 | jcuk | .. |
| 00:46.53 | jcuk | so i run all of those one after another.. |
| 00:47.14 | jjazz | cthulfuego: Not the scribus part, the filling the form part. I don't feel like learning new perl packages tonight. |
| 00:47.31 | eflynn | !w00t |
| 00:47.31 | dpkg | w00t!!! |
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| 00:48.21 | directhex | jcuk, make sure you obey fully first - the contrib and unstable bits are important |
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| 00:48.51 | quentusrex | How do you switch from Gnome to KDE? |
| 00:48.55 | streuner | directhex: still at work? |
| 00:49.03 | quentusrex | I have used Gnome and would like to try to use KDE instead. |
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| 00:49.24 | streuner | quentusrex: apt-get install kde? |
| 00:49.26 | eflynn | this is a bit off topic... does anyone of a web based circuit simulator? |
| 00:49.32 | eflynn | know of* |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | webbased? |
| 00:49.34 | pipeline | quentusrex: Just log out and choose a different session. |
| 00:49.37 | directhex | streuner, no, then i'd be directhex|work |
| 00:49.43 | quentusrex | ok... |
| 00:49.46 | eflynn | abrotman: yeah, like java or something |
| 00:49.49 | streuner | directhex: haha |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | eflynn: nope .. sorry |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | eflynn: i know of geda .. but it's not web based .. and more for PCB kind of things |
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| 00:50.16 | cdemwel1 | Hi |
| 00:50.58 | cdemwel1 | Which driver supports the Nforce4's SATA chip? |
| 00:51.03 | cdemwel1 | Anybody know? |
| 00:51.16 | streuner | !anybody |
| 00:51.16 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 00:51.31 | streuner | !nforce |
| 00:51.31 | dpkg | methinks nforce is a chipset made by nvidia. It is not (properly) supported in kernels older than 2.4.22. if you didn't know this and bought your hardware anyway, boo on you. |
| 00:51.37 | Paco | is someone here familiar with bootloader? |
| 00:51.45 | streuner | lilo? |
| 00:51.55 | shingoki | I'm not that convinced nforce is supported in recent kernels either |
| 00:51.57 | Flimzy | !tell paco about ask |
| 00:52.02 | stew | cdemwel1: grep SATA .config, look for something with NVIDIA or NV or NFORCE |
| 00:52.04 | abrotman | cdemwel1: ask #nvidia |
| 00:52.05 | shingoki | all I know is I had lots of IDE errors with it |
| 00:52.08 | abrotman | or #kernel |
| 00:52.15 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 00:52.15 | dpkg | [sata faq] at http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 00:52.16 | cdemwel1 | hmm |
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| 00:52.21 | cdemwel1 | good idea, abrotman |
| 00:52.29 | cdemwel1 | Already read that FAQ, it does not cover the nforce4 |
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| 00:52.55 | michal_ | hmm.. in a bit of html that looks like <p class="mexample"> where is the mexample class coming from? I can't find a definitiion of it anywhere in the html source |
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| 00:53.00 | Paco | streuner, yes, i have LILO |
| 00:53.01 | peterS | !sata faq is also http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 00:53.02 | dpkg | peterS: okay |
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| 00:53.30 | cdemwel1 | seen that one too :\ |
| 00:53.31 | bbrazil | michal_: CSS |
| 00:53.34 | streuner | Paco: you have heard what 'Flimzy' told you... |
| 00:53.37 | Ralphie | Would someone please explain to me the format of ip_address/8 , i.e. 192.168.0.0/8 |
| 00:53.46 | Ralphie | What does the / and the number tell you? |
| 00:53.50 | peterS | Ralphie: /8 means the first 8 bits are the network number |
| 00:53.56 | michal_ | bbrazil: i already checked that.. there is no css |
| 00:54.01 | Paco | streuner, I am trying to change my bootloader settings..i am trying to change my kernel from 2.4.27-1-386 to 2.4.27-2-386... |
| 00:54.11 | Flimzy | Ralphie: That's the number of bits in the netmask. |
| 00:54.12 | peterS | Ralphie: the last 24 bits represent a specific host inside your network |
| 00:54.19 | Ralphie | peters: Ahh. So for a class A it would be someip/24 right? |
| 00:54.29 | peterS | Ralphie: no, class A is /8. class C is /24. |
| 00:54.29 | bbrazil | michal_: then it does nothing (unless there's javascript weirdness). no <style> too I presume |
| 00:54.30 | streuner | Paco: man lilo.conf |
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| 00:55.13 | streuner | Paco: well, i doubt it is a big problem to install that with a minor number |
| 00:55.14 | michal_ | bbrazil: god dammit.. there IS css.. don't ask me how i missed it before.. i grepped for css and it didn't find it.. |
| 00:55.30 | peterS | Ralphie: not that classes mean anything anymore. there is no Class A, B, C anymore, it's all arbitrary. just use the /8 notation instead. note that the netmask doesn't have to be 8, 16 or 24, it can be any number between 8 and 31 |
| 00:55.30 | Ralphie | Peters: Ohh right. I was thinking *hosts* |
| 00:55.43 | BucWheat | what file would i put setterm -bfreq 0 in to turn off system speaker? |
| 00:55.50 | bbrazil | michal_: grep for 'stylesheet', you can't assume file extension |
| 00:55.58 | streuner | Paco: in other words, just keep a rescue boot CD (floppy) handy and just install it |
| 00:56.12 | peterS | BucWheat: I'd look in /etc/console-tools/config |
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| 00:56.21 | necco | sfd |
| 00:56.22 | necco | d |
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| 00:56.24 | necco | d |
| 00:56.28 | necco | part |
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| 00:56.30 | michal_ | bbrazil: normally it has type=text/css |
| 00:56.31 | vladster | the one that came with sarge is somewhat dumb in that respect |
| 00:56.34 | Ralphie | peters: very good. Thank you. :) |
| 00:56.34 | BucWheat | peterS k |
| 00:56.36 | vladster | Is there an updated version of K3B out therethat has a better ability to see all the plugins |
| 00:56.40 | Flimzy | BucWheat: Probably a profile somewhere. ~/.profile, or ~/.bash_profile, or similar (depending on the shell you use) |
| 00:56.45 | vladster | the one that came with sarge is somewhat dumb in that respect |
| 00:56.50 | Paco | (streuner): i ahve already run the apt-get install for that kernel image, but i understand that the enxt step is to run bootloader, and change its settings..is that correct? |
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| 00:56.54 | Flimzy | BucWheat: Note that such a thing won't really turn off the system speaker... it will just keep relevant shells from using the speaker. |
| 00:57.02 | Flimzy | BucWheat: Anything that runs without the shell may still cause beeps. |
| 00:57.05 | bbrazil | michal_: that is the type that comes from the HTTP headers, which is in no way related to html, and is webserver config dependant |
| 00:57.17 | bbrazil | michal_: I think |
| 00:57.28 | Flimzy | BucWheat: The only way I'm aware of to completely disable the PC speaker in Linux is to unplug it, or perhaps use a kernel patch (google would be your friend here, I suppose) |
| 00:57.39 | streuner | Paco: if you didn't interrupt the process it should work then |
| 00:57.44 | Ralphie | If I make changes to my exim.conf is there a refresh command? |
| 00:57.47 | zinx | setterm can disable the console beep, and xset can disable the X one |
| 00:57.53 | bbrazil | michal_: actually, you're right. silly me |
| 00:58.04 | streuner | Paco: but anyway, soon or later you need to know how to fix the bootloader .. ;-) |
| 00:58.16 | Flimzy | Paco: apt-get kernel-image _should_ update you bootloader, too. Unless you're using a non-standard boot loader/configuration. |
| 00:58.24 | BucWheat | Flimzy k. speaker is soldered onto mobo :( |
| 00:58.25 | BucWheat | heh |
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| 00:58.33 | Flimzy | BucWheat: laptop? |
| 00:58.36 | zinx | BucWheat: man setterm; man xset |
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| 00:58.49 | Flimzy | BucWheat: Nothing a soldering iron couldn't fix :) |
| 00:59.00 | mls | If I want to add a driver in Debian, can I just run modconf to add a module, or do I have to do something with the kernel? |
| 00:59.04 | Paco | (streuner): the problem is that i don't know how to manipulate my boot manager to change to the new kernel |
| 00:59.04 | scatterp | can i get some help installing my intel pro wireless 2100 card |
| 00:59.10 | streuner | Paco: best way is to install not *only* one kernel... |
| 00:59.20 | Flimzy | mls: You have to load the module. |
| 00:59.24 | streuner | Paco: man lilo, as i told you before |
| 00:59.33 | streuner | Paco: man lilo.conf |
| 00:59.43 | zinx | BucWheat: look for 'bell' |
| 00:59.51 | directhex | mls, depends whether said driver is in the kernel-image you're using |
| 01:00.03 | streuner | Paco: make sure you run 'lilo -v' and ignore warnings, but *not* errors |
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| 01:00.32 | Paco | streuner, this is awesome..i have never manipulated my bootloader before |
| 01:00.37 | directhex | !tell mls about /msg |
| 01:00.45 | directhex | bah# |
| 01:00.47 | directhex | !tell mls about msg |
| 01:00.50 | streuner | Paco: in order to run debian you need that |
| 01:01.35 | streuner | Paco: its pretty essential, to know how to use use a bootloader (lilo or grub) |
| 01:01.55 | Paco | streuner, this is true |
| 01:01.58 | Flimzy | Why not loadlin? :) |
| 01:02.19 | mls | directhex, how do I tell whether the driver is in the kernel image? |
| 01:02.19 | streuner | because it sucks? :-) |
| 01:02.35 | directhex | mls what does uname -r say what are you trying to drive? |
| 01:03.02 | directhex | +, |
| 01:03.05 | Flimzy | loadlin has it's place. And it very much doesn't suck for that place :P |
| 01:03.05 | mls | will check - brb |
| 01:03.17 | Flimzy | I set up a dual-boot system with loadlin for a friend once (thanks to a buggy BIOS that wouldn't run LILO) |
| 01:03.21 | directhex | Flimzy, history books? |
| 01:03.29 | Flimzy | that was on a "high end" 486, I think |
| 01:03.44 | streuner | hm |
| 01:04.20 | Flimzy | directhex: loadlin is still useful ocassionaly during installs on weird hardware |
| 01:04.20 | Paco | streuner, guess what? i didnt even have to update the bootloader at all..i rebooted, and BAM! the new kernel was loaded |
| 01:04.49 | streuner | Paco: ok, make sure you have a second kernel as alternative |
| 01:04.54 | Flimzy | I've used loadlin for installs on systems with no removable media |
| 01:05.26 | Flimzy | or with removable media that's not supported by a standard rescue kernel |
| 01:05.39 | Flimzy | or other weird things |
| 01:06.12 | wm` | anyone know how i can get apache to echo errors to stdout? mine's failing w/o giving an error, although it is complaining that the CN of my test ssl certificate doesn't match my servername, but that was only a warning.. *shrug* |
| 01:06.22 | wm` | in errlog |
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| 01:06.28 | streuner | Paco: did you make the floppy rescue from that kernel too? |
| 01:06.31 | mls | dhex, 2.4.26-pebble |
| 01:06.40 | Flimzy | wm`: Did you look at the log file? |
| 01:06.54 | Paco | streuner, no i didn't...maybe i should do that now |
| 01:07.04 | scatterp | could some one help me my kernel will not boot for some reason |
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| 01:07.25 | Flimzy | !tell scatterp about ask |
| 01:07.40 | mls | Want to load usb-ohci, as described here: http://www.ka9q.net/5220.html |
| 01:07.41 | wm` | Flimzy : well, the err_log only said [Wed Feb 16 18:19:21 2005] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `tcot.fifmarketing.com' does NOT match server name!? |
| 01:07.58 | wm` | but i figure a warning shouldn't kill the server |
| 01:08.17 | Flimzy | wm`: Well there you go |
| 01:08.22 | directhex | mls, erm... what distribution are you running? |
| 01:08.26 | Flimzy | wm`: Sounds like you figured out your problem. |
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| 01:08.49 | mls | dhex, it's pebble, a stripped down version of debian. |
| 01:08.54 | wm` | Flimzy : heh, yea well, i didn't think that was a killable error.. |
| 01:09.05 | wm` | since you can put whatever the hell you want in the CN for a test certicicate |
| 01:09.28 | directhex | mls, stripped down could mean anything. ask their support people. |
| 01:09.42 | scatterp | Flimzy, i am trying to install a intel wireless network card 2100 on my dell d500 laptop right now ive had about 4 pepole help me it always ends the same reboot to new kernel gives an error saying you didnt specify root= correctly some disscusion here yesterday came to it could be the drivers for the filesystem so we tryed it again with checking that as best we could and it was the same ive been trying to do this for 3 |
| 01:09.42 | scatterp | days |
| 01:09.45 | Flimzy | wm`: Try fixing that and see if the problem goes away |
| 01:09.59 | directhex | mls, we deal in debian solutions here. the fact that a simple 'modprobe usb-ohci' wasn't enough suggests debian solutons don't apply, which is none of our concern |
| 01:10.13 | Flimzy | wm`: Look at LogLevel in httpd.conf, too |
| 01:10.18 | mls | no support people unfortunately. I guess I'll go read the handbook some more |
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| 01:10.56 | Flimzy | scatterp: What is the exact error message you get? |
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| 01:12.43 | Ghostbuster | say y to scsi disk support in the kernel |
| 01:13.59 | scatterp | Flimzy, i dont see it to type it now becase i am loged in to linux right now but i basicly need help installing the card from start to finish i am not even sure if a kernel rebuild is nessasary the kernel that was erroring has been rm -rf |
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| 01:14.38 | maher | scatterp: do you know what driver you need |
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| 01:15.00 | Ralphie | How do I restart exim in debian? :) |
| 01:15.11 | scatterp | mather yes ive tryed installing it over and over with lots of reinstalls diffrent distros etc |
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| 01:15.13 | maher | Ralphie: /etc/init.d/exim restart |
| 01:15.21 | bamm | is it possible to have /etc/shadow use blowfish hashes instead of md5 hashes? |
| 01:15.31 | maher | scatterp: is the driver binary or source |
| 01:15.31 | scatterp | maher, want a link ? |
| 01:15.35 | scatterp | src |
| 01:15.44 | maher | scatterp: yes |
| 01:15.50 | scatterp | ok |
| 01:15.53 | scatterp | one sec |
| 01:15.57 | Flimzy | scatterp: okay, well I don't have the time or inclination to walk somebody through a driver installation from start to finish. |
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| 01:16.10 | Flimzy | scatterp: If/when you have a specific error/problem you've encountered, I may be able to help then. |
| 01:16.17 | scatterp | http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:16.31 | Ralphie | maher: Thanks! |
| 01:16.37 | wm` | heh, well it still doesn't work Flimzy :/ |
| 01:16.42 | scatterp | Flimzy, well ill work thru it now and call you when i get back to where i was again if i have to |
| 01:16.53 | scatterp | but its like ive done it so many times |
| 01:17.05 | Flimzy | scatterp: sounds reasonable |
| 01:17.12 | Flimzy | wm`: Look at LogLevel |
| 01:17.16 | scatterp | ok |
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| 01:17.24 | maher | scatterp: did you ask dpkg about ipw2100 |
| 01:18.03 | wm` | yea i changed it to info |
| 01:18.11 | scatterp | i tryed installing it with dpkg |
| 01:18.12 | wm` | it appears to be loading fine |
| 01:18.26 | maher | !tell scatterp about ipw2100 |
| 01:18.59 | maher | scatterp: so do you have a full source tree fo your kernel? |
| 01:20.00 | scatterp | maher i belive so |
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| 01:20.10 | maher | scatterp: what kernel are you running |
| 01:20.31 | scatterp | 2.6.8 |
| 01:20.37 | maher | scatterp: debian kernel? |
| 01:20.39 | dany | hi there |
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| 01:21.12 | scatterp | i presume lunarfualt who was here earlyer downloaded it |
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| 01:21.26 | dany | i have a LG cd recorder (IDE), and i'm trying to run 'cdrecord -scanbus' |
| 01:21.31 | Pythonholum | hi everyone |
| 01:21.39 | dany | to determine de device to use. |
| 01:21.54 | maher | scatterp: where did you get your kernel |
| 01:22.11 | scatterp | maher, i presume lunarfualt who was here earlyer downloaded it her was ssh in to my box |
| 01:22.11 | dany | But a message like 'No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver' |
| 01:22.16 | dany | is displayed. |
| 01:22.22 | scatterp | maher he also tryed it at home same issue on hes pc |
| 01:22.30 | maher | scatterp: which version of debian are you using? |
| 01:22.43 | dany | The point is that K3B works, so i don't have a driver problem. |
| 01:23.04 | dany | Older versions of cdrecord have worked fine with that recorder |
| 01:23.19 | dany | Is something new about cdrecord ? |
| 01:23.24 | scatterp | LunarFaul I formated my dev box and puting debian on it |
| 01:23.24 | scatterp | LunarFaul haveing same problems you are |
| 01:23.24 | scatterp | LunarFaul dont think I am leaving you hanging |
| 01:23.33 | abrotman | did you install a new kernel or version of cdrecord? |
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| 01:23.38 | scatterp | manher i installed the sarge net cd |
| 01:24.11 | scatterp | maher, that was the guy who was helping me here before |
| 01:24.18 | jstevens | scatterp: type "uname -a" ... paste the results for us |
| 01:24.23 | Pythonholum | i love sarge :) |
| 01:24.28 | Pythonholum | the installer is grate |
| 01:24.28 | scatterp | Linux debian 2.6.8-1-386 #1 Thu Nov 11 12:18:43 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:24.38 | maher | scatterp: are you running stable/testing/unstable |
| 01:24.50 | scatterp | maher, i wouldnt know .. |
| 01:25.31 | maher | scatterp: ok - you're not really clued up enough to compile bleeding edge drivers - wait 4-6 months for it to be in the main kernel |
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| 01:25.33 | jstevens | scatterp: type " cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 01:25.41 | scatterp | i just downloaded what i was told was needed to get this card working in linux (debian) and (auditor) and now ive been told forget debian |
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| 01:25.55 | scatterp | 3.1 |
| 01:26.14 | scatterp | maher, but the other guy who was helping me is and he has same issues as me |
| 01:26.33 | maher | scatterp: indeed - bleeding edge = problems |
| 01:27.07 | Ghostbuster | scatterp download the 2.6.10 kernel and install that |
| 01:27.13 | scatterp | i dont know why they write a doc and dont actualy try it |
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| 01:27.27 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, thats the kernel i had trouble with ill try again if you will be around to help me |
| 01:28.11 | Ghostbuster | Kernel: Linux 2.6.10 | Distro: Debian/GNU 3.1 | CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) 2800+ @ 2000 Mhz | Mem usage: 141.0/1011.6 MB (14%) | Swap usage: 0/2596.4 MB (0%) | Disk usage(/dev/sda): 9.4/70.9 GB (13%) | Uptime: 8 hrs 1 min 20 secs |
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| 01:28.29 | scatterp | im prepared to try what ever as long as some ones gonna help pick up the pieces when it wont boot |
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| 01:29.06 | scatterp | else i would be moveing backwards to before i uninstalled that kernel |
| 01:29.15 | jstevens | scatterp: as long as you don't un-install your current kernel you should be fine |
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| 01:29.36 | scatterp | jstevens, so i should download the 2.6.10 kernel again ? |
| 01:29.58 | Ghostbuster | yes |
| 01:30.12 | jstevens | ^^ |
| 01:30.13 | scatterp | from kernel.org right ? |
| 01:30.19 | Ghostbuster | yes |
| 01:30.41 | scatterp | going to be here in around 30 mins when i got it all installed and wont boot ? |
| 01:30.53 | Ghostbuster | yes |
| 01:30.58 | jstevens | scatterp: as long as you don't un-install your current kernel you should be fine |
| 01:30.58 | scatterp | ok great |
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| 01:31.05 | scatterp | ill be right back |
| 01:31.19 | Ghostbuster | let me know when you are in the kernel tho |
| 01:31.44 | scatterp | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.10.tar.gz |
| 01:31.48 | scatterp | im geting this one |
| 01:31.50 | scatterp | ok sure Ghostbuster |
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| 01:32.10 | Ghostbuster | you installing in a laptop? |
| 01:32.11 | aFlag | how does apache use users such as www-data? |
| 01:32.28 | zinx | it runs as www-data |
| 01:32.47 | Pythonholum | has anyone used nfs |
| 01:32.51 | zinx | so any attack that does manage to succeed will only have access to screw over www-data |
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| 01:33.54 | iceman | how do I check current resolution in X? |
| 01:34.01 | aFlag | yes, but how would i make my own program run as an user such as that? |
| 01:34.13 | Pythonholum | iceman are you using kde |
| 01:34.17 | iceman | Pythonholum: no |
| 01:34.33 | Pythonholum | what are you using iceman |
| 01:34.34 | iceman | Im looking for a simple command (to use in a script) |
| 01:34.39 | iceman | Im using fvwm |
| 01:34.49 | jakjak | my scsi module goes through this speed listing ritual at boot time, can I eliminate that? |
| 01:35.13 | Pythonholum | iceman im not familear with that too much |
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| 01:35.20 | Pythonholum | sorry |
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| 01:35.26 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, yes dell d600 |
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| 01:35.28 | jakjak | after scanning both drives it takes about 10 extra minutes of booting |
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| 01:37.28 | jstevens | 5 at once... nice |
| 01:37.51 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, just to be sure ill explain what i will do ill download kernel to my home folder copy to /usr/src/ and then tar -zxvf then download the driver for my card then tar -zxvf that copy it to drivers/net/.... in the kernel src then run the perl -p1 patch on the src then go to the src folder make menuconfig enable or module the ieee stuff driver crypto stuff experimental and then make then setup grub stoping afte |
| 01:37.52 | scatterp | r i make menuconfig to inform you |
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| 01:38.42 | jakjak | is there a way to make scsi modules less `chatty`?? |
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| 01:39.07 | jakjak | or verbose at boot time |
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| 01:39.39 | Ghostbuster | tar jxvf kernel scatterp |
| 01:39.50 | scatterp | j ? |
| 01:39.52 | scatterp | ok |
| 01:39.57 | scatterp | ive been useing z |
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| 01:40.27 | Ghostbuster | linux-2.6.10.tar.bz2 right? |
| 01:40.50 | scatterp | no |
| 01:40.54 | scatterp | debian:/usr/src# tar jxvf linux-2.6.10.tar.gz |
| 01:40.54 | scatterp | bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. |
| 01:40.54 | scatterp | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 01:40.54 | scatterp | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 01:40.54 | scatterp | debian:/usr/src# |
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| 01:41.31 | scatterp | oops sorry |
| 01:41.31 | badblody | scatterp, tar xvfz |
| 01:41.31 | Ghostbuster | your patching the kernel |
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| 01:42.04 | Ghostbuster | did you download the full kernel |
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| 01:42.11 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, i am just following the instructions your giveing me as best as i can ... if i am going wrong let me know |
| 01:42.17 | scatterp | yes i think i downloaded a full kernel |
| 01:42.24 | Ghostbuster | k |
| 01:42.27 | scatterp | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.10.tar.gz |
| 01:42.38 | scatterp | should i tar zxvf ? |
| 01:42.51 | Ghostbuster | yes |
| 01:43.07 | MK_ | hey was wondering if someone can help me. Used the netinstall cd but when i install automake etc...i still can not run make. Don't the scripts get installed with automake? |
| 01:43.14 | MK_ | i install version 1.7 |
| 01:43.46 | maher | MK_: what error |
| 01:44.25 | MK_ | no error just make is not found |
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| 01:44.56 | MK_ | tried 1.8 earlier but still did not work. |
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| 01:44.58 | maher | MK_: try installing make, or better, build-essential |
| 01:45.16 | MK_ | ok.....so it is not included in automake? |
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| 01:45.19 | jstevens | MK_: sounds like you installed w/o the devel tool in the first place... do an apt-get install |
| 01:45.31 | maher | MK_: make is different from automake |
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| 01:45.54 | MK_ | ok, great that helps:). will do a build essentials:) |
| 01:45.56 | MK_ | thanks |
| 01:46.00 | bony | anyone know anything about setting up a wireless router behind a regular router? I can't see the outside world from the wireless |
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| 01:47.05 | jstevens | bony: interesting... can you see the stuff that is "beside" the wireless router from behind it? |
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| 01:47.44 | dondelelcaro | bony: do you have different IP ranges on the wireless side than on the wired side? |
| 01:47.48 | bony | jstevens, I can across the LAN, and the gateway |
| 01:47.48 | Kerr | i've a wave file i can't play.. 8,000 hz sample rate, 4 bits sample size. Any idea what it can be played in? |
| 01:48.08 | bony | dondelelcaro, both are on 192.168.1. |
| 01:48.12 | jstevens | bony: what are the IP ranges used by each... |
| 01:48.23 | jstevens | bony: set the sireless to use 192.168.0. |
| 01:48.29 | Ghostbuster | scatterp where are you now? |
| 01:48.32 | jstevens | *wireless |
| 01:48.47 | maher | Kerr: try play filename |
| 01:48.49 | scatterp | checking the location to copy the driver in readme |
| 01:49.19 | Ghostbuster | what driver? |
| 01:49.36 | scatterp | intel pro wireless 2100 driver |
| 01:49.58 | scatterp | % mv ipw2100-1.0.5/ $KSRC/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100 |
| 01:50.02 | scatterp | doing this |
| 01:50.03 | jstevens | bony: there's nothing special about 192.168.0. ohter than it's *different* from the 1st one |
| 01:50.07 | Ghostbuster | do you have a windows driver |
| 01:50.16 | scatterp | no linux |
| 01:50.18 | bony | jstevens, I can't reach wireless router now |
| 01:50.34 | jstevens | bony: are you behind it? |
| 01:50.40 | jstevens | bony: or beside it? |
| 01:50.53 | Ghostbuster | because thats what i use with ndiswrapper |
| 01:51.00 | Kerr | Play ain't installed.. can't find it in apt-cache search. |
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| 01:51.21 | bony | this box and wireless router are connected to same other router |
| 01:51.34 | dondelelcaro | the wired side of the router needs a 192.168.1/24 address and the wireless side uses the 192.168.0/24 addresses. |
| 01:51.41 | maher | Kerr: its in sox |
| 01:52.07 | jstevens | bony: ok, clarification... did you change the wireless's wan IP, of it's DHCP'ing IP? |
| 01:52.20 | jstevens | bony: ready what dondelelcaro jsut wrote... |
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| 01:52.41 | jstevens | bony: read what dondelelcaro just wrote... |
| 01:52.50 | bony | yeah, I sort of get the picture now, but I can't reach the wireless router since changing it to .0.1 |
| 01:53.13 | jstevens | bony: sorry about the misunderstanding of what I said |
| 01:53.14 | dondelelcaro | bony: bring up an eth0:0 interface on 192.168.0.50, then connect to it. |
| 01:53.23 | jstevens | bony: ^^ |
| 01:53.41 | dondelelcaro | bony: note that it's eth0:0, not eth0. |
| 01:53.53 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, ive been told that wont work |
| 01:53.55 | jstevens | dondelelcaro: did I say that wrong, or did he hear it wrong? |
| 01:54.00 | scatterp | can i msg you need to paste you a error msg |
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| 01:54.22 | Ghostbuster | yeah it will thats the way i did it on my laptop |
| 01:54.23 | dondelelcaro | jstevens: I think you just implied the correct way, and I didn't think about it until later. |
| 01:54.47 | jstevens | dondelelcaro: cool |
| 01:54.47 | bony | I should still be able to dhcp wireless to wireless router thou? |
| 01:54.51 | dondelelcaro | no harm, no fowl |
| 01:55.12 | nvz | heh |
| 01:55.14 | dondelelcaro | but bring me a dog and a shotgun... |
| 01:55.15 | jstevens | bony: basically, wireless clients should be able to safely get IP's from the wireless router... correct |
| 01:55.18 | nvz | !dict fowl |
| 01:55.20 | dpkg | Dictionary 'fowl' (4 shown; 13 total): Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air. --Gen. i. 26. ;; hunt fowl in the forest ;; . Fowl \Fowl\, v. i. [imp. & p. p. Fowled; p. pr. & vb. n. Fowling.] To catch or kill wild fowl, for game or food, as by shooting, or by decoys, nets, etc. ;; a domesticated gallinaceous bird though to be descended from the red jungle fowl. |
| 01:55.23 | shingouz | scatterp: still trying to get the kernel done? |
| 01:55.25 | jstevens | dondelelcaro: LOL |
| 01:55.47 | scatterp | ive done it a few more times since its still giveing errors |
| 01:55.56 | shingouz | and the errors are? |
| 01:56.01 | jstevens | dondelelcaro: I have 2 beagle mixes... but the shotgun is at my Dad's... will a rifle work? |
| 01:56.16 | shingouz | scatterp: past in flood |
| 01:56.16 | dondelelcaro | jstevens: that's advanced fowl shooting... |
| 01:56.16 | scatterp | im back round to the perl error we had last time cant remember what was added to the begining of the line to fix it |
| 01:56.18 | bony | ah ha, lappy can now see wireless router again |
| 01:56.22 | dondelelcaro | jstevens: if it's silenced, it may work |
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| 01:56.49 | jstevens | dondelelcaro: big silencer... it's a 243 |
| 01:57.14 | dondelelcaro | there won't be much fowl left then... |
| 01:57.18 | shingouz | scatterp: no wonder you get that error, you are in the wrong directory |
| 01:57.25 | bony | I didn't have this trouble when using my old smc wireless router, but I've just replaced it with a new linksys |
| 01:57.40 | dondelelcaro | bony: the SMC probably used 192.168.0/24 by default |
| 01:58.27 | jstevens | bony: he's right... SMC defaults to 0, while linksys defaults to 1 |
| 01:58.46 | bony | I change everything to 1 as that's what's in all the host tables |
| 01:59.32 | scatterp | ok thats that part brb |
| 01:59.36 | bony | the config screen has 2 IP addresses. local IP is 0 internet is 1 |
| 01:59.52 | dondelelcaro | bony: yeah, that's probably right then |
| 02:00.05 | bony | the main router is the gateway on 1.1 |
| 02:00.37 | bony | lappy says gateway is wireless router |
| 02:00.51 | shingouz | scatterp: get the kernel sources, uncompress them, get the patches, uncompress them in the correct place according to the documentation you get with the patches. only after *all* the sources and patches are there in place do make menuconfig |
| 02:01.04 | jstevens | bony: gateway for lappy will be wireless |
| 02:01.14 | jstevens | bony: gateway for wireless is wired |
| 02:01.37 | jstevens | bony: so you have the long way to get out :-) |
| 02:01.39 | shingouz | scatterp: in there you enable whatever you need to get the computer to run *plus* whatever the patch docs tell you to enable to get the patched driver to work |
| 02:01.45 | bony | I have it as lappy using wireless router as gateway? |
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| 02:02.26 | jstevens | bony: correct... you have to use the wireless router as the gateway to get out of 192.168.0. |
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| 02:02.36 | bony | good. nearly there |
| 02:02.39 | scatterp | the whats needed to get the computer to run is the problem issue after all was done i rebooted and got set a correct root= option |
| 02:02.44 | Kerr | the wav i recorded of my friend's gig has a lot of noise in it. are there any programs that i can use to clean it up? |
| 02:02.48 | try_catch_this | anyone know a good programing channel? [c++ prefered] |
| 02:02.56 | scatterp | i am working my way back to there again now about the 6th time |
| 02:03.00 | bony | I can't reach wired machines thou |
| 02:03.27 | shingouz | scatterp: have you considered making notes on what created the problems... |
| 02:03.45 | jstevens | bony: that's right |
| 02:03.59 | shingouz | scatterp: and please slap the nick you're talking to infront of whatever you say or you will not be heard |
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| 02:04.09 | cafuego | How would 'good' and 'c++' ever go together? |
| 02:04.13 | jstevens | bony: if you want to be able to do that, you'll have to disable DHCP on the wireless & not use the wan port |
| 02:04.40 | bony | jstevens, I need to talk to them too (well, "it" at the moment) |
| 02:04.41 | jstevens | bony: you'll need use the wireless router as if it were a switch/AP instead of a Router/AP |
| 02:05.00 | scatterp | shingzout i should but i have been typeing it to pepole in channels and then geting told do something else that kernels been replaced with a 2.6.8 and now Ghostbuster said go to 2.6.10 thats 3 retrys right there |
| 02:05.28 | jstevens | bony: no offence intended.. but why'd you get a router/AP instead of simply an AP ? |
| 02:05.31 | shingouz | scatterp: decide what you want to have and stick with it |
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| 02:05.51 | sgeigerbot | What's wrong here? "cbeok@negentropy:~$ Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" "Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!" |
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| 02:05.58 | jstevens | bony: the use you are describing is simply an AP |
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| 02:06.10 | shingouz | scatterp: the process is still the same with all the kernels as long as you stay with the 2.6 series |
| 02:06.12 | scatterp | shingouz, i want to have a working wifi card i dont care what kernel |
| 02:06.12 | linuxbomb | fundraiser hahahahahha |
| 02:06.30 | bony | jstevens, I wanted to lock down to to a given set of MACs, and my old SMC didn't do that and is proving to be crap in this house. Someone recommended the wrt54g |
| 02:06.33 | scatterp | shingouz, ok well ill be back in a moment when at a stuck point |
| 02:06.36 | cafuego | scatterp: Off to the shop you go to buy a Prism2 then. |
| 02:06.41 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, im in the kernel tree |
| 02:06.46 | shingouz | cafuego: :) |
| 02:06.48 | scatterp | cafuego, i tryed |
| 02:07.02 | jstevens | bony: understood, but all the linksys APs can lock down MAC addresses |
| 02:07.02 | scatterp | cafuego, they dont got one only a dw1350 |
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| 02:07.16 | cafuego | scatterp: Bad shop. ANyway, get one online. |
| 02:07.27 | bony | jstevens, so this device won't do AP? |
| 02:07.30 | scatterp | cafuego, i guess but i only just bought this one |
| 02:07.50 | cafuego | scatterp: And it's one that needs crappy closed/beta drivers? |
| 02:07.52 | Ghostbuster | scatterp go down to filesystems |
| 02:07.54 | jstevens | bony: it will (AP being access point) .. but it does more |
| 02:08.03 | jstevens | bony: and the more = router |
| 02:08.07 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, done |
| 02:08.12 | bony | jstevens, I don't mind that, it was cheap enough. |
| 02:08.15 | shingouz | cafuego: he wants to run kismet on an ipw2100.... |
| 02:08.19 | jstevens | bony: wh/ blocks anything from coming inside through the wan port |
| 02:08.22 | cafuego | shingouz: Oh god |
| 02:08.23 | Ghostbuster | what file system are you using? |
| 02:08.26 | jstevens | bony: :-) |
| 02:08.31 | buu | Hrm. I'm on debian unstable and I've got a 100g or so vfat partition I have mounted, how ever mounting and reading the root directory of that partition takes a really long time, so someone suggest defragging, is there anyway to defrag the vfat from linux? |
| 02:08.32 | scatterp | ext2/ext3 there all enabled |
| 02:08.39 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, ext2/ext3 there all enabled |
| 02:08.41 | cafuego | Hint: Check compatability BEFORE spending the money. |
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| 02:09.09 | bony | jstevens, should I be plugged into the wan? I've got a single cable plugged into 1 of the 4 lan sockets |
| 02:09.13 | jstevens | bony: basically... what you want is to log into the Wireless router, disable DHCP, then unhook the WAN port and hook that cable into the hub instead |
| 02:09.16 | Ghostbuster | say y to the one your os is on |
| 02:09.24 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, done |
| 02:09.35 | scatterp | shingouz, you going back to flameing again ? |
| 02:09.39 | jstevens | bony: cool, leave the cables alone then |
| 02:09.52 | mrwill | if I want to change the arguments to proftpd at startup (move the config file), then modifying the file in /etc/default would be preferred to modifying the script in /etc/init.d, yes? |
| 02:09.53 | jstevens | bony: just log into the Wireless Router and disable DHCP |
| 02:09.58 | shingouz | scatterp: you have no idea what flaming is if you think i have been nasty |
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| 02:10.04 | jstevens | bony: and that should get ya |
| 02:10.08 | Ghostbuster | go back to ide part |
| 02:10.26 | bony | but the wrt can't see the regular router |
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| 02:10.38 | jstevens | bony: you dont' need it to. |
| 02:10.41 | Ghostbuster | your drive is ide right |
| 02:10.41 | maher | scatterp: try tigerdirect.com or ebay |
| 02:10.43 | scatterp | shingouz, ok well its not helpfull lets put it that way as ive clearly showed you that ive read and i am here for help not a interigation by you |
| 02:10.59 | shingouz | scatterp: whatever |
| 02:11.00 | scatterp | maher, i am leaveing that as a last resort |
| 02:11.05 | bony | should I make the internet IP to 0 too? |
| 02:11.16 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, done |
| 02:11.24 | jstevens | bony: if you have DHCP disabled and use port "1" instead of port "wan" then it'll work as simply a hub w/ an AP built in |
| 02:11.29 | cafuego | scatterp: I think shingouz is just trying to warn me to not expend too much effort. |
| 02:11.39 | jstevens | bony: nope... forget the "0" stuff :-) |
| 02:11.46 | Ghostbuster | mark y on the first line |
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| 02:11.51 | bony | jstevens, make 1 again? |
| 02:11.59 | scatterp | cafuego, hes missing the conversation we had yesterday but nvm |
| 02:12.00 | jstevens | bony: it sounds to me like the SMC you had earlier had DHCP disabled |
| 02:12.03 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, yes done |
| 02:12.13 | bony | jstevens, yes, I used static |
| 02:12.16 | jstevens | bony: what setting on the linksys is 0 now? |
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| 02:12.44 | bony | jstevens, I used dhcp on the wrt because I was having trouble with getting a wireless connection |
| 02:12.57 | vinay | how do i get X to open up a port for remote connectivity? :-) |
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| 02:13.11 | cafuego | !lart irssi |
| 02:13.11 | jstevens | bony: do you have 192.168.1.2 assigned? if not use it for the Wireless router |
| 02:13.30 | bony | jstevens, k, will change back to 1 network... |
| 02:13.43 | cafuego | scatterp: Makign any normal software work with partial and./or closed drivers is a royal pita *at best* |
| 02:13.49 | Danar | can someone help me get X working? |
| 02:13.59 | Danar | the error i'm getting is this: |
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| 02:14.11 | scatterp | cafuego, its not that thats my exact problem the odd thing is when its all done it wont mount the file system |
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| 02:14.13 | jstevens | bony: BTW... is the lappy linux? I havent' seen a G card that'll work under linux yet |
| 02:14.19 | shingouz | cafuego: the ipw2100 is from sourceforge, open source fortunately |
| 02:14.35 | bony | jstevens, yeah, all boxen are debs |
| 02:14.36 | Danar | X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (no such file or directory), aborting. |
| 02:14.49 | smagy2 | hello folks, i am about to make a fresh install of debian. wondering if it is possible to have reiserfs instead of the default one that is made. |
| 02:14.59 | maher | Danar: install x-window-system |
| 02:15.01 | bony | jstevens, I'm testing with an old b |
| 02:15.06 | vinay | smagy2: yes.. install with a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:15.06 | Danar | maher: i did |
| 02:15.07 | jstevens | bony: wh/ nic... OIC |
| 02:15.21 | Danar | still does it |
| 02:15.22 | Ghostbuster | go down to include ide/ata-2 support and say y to that |
| 02:15.24 | shingouz | scatterp: that the only one? if you do not have initrd in the kernel, make the ide, ext2 and ext3 static along with basic pci and isa support |
| 02:16.02 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, one moment i am trying to locate ide in the kernel tree |
| 02:16.04 | Ghostbuster | you dont need initrd anyways |
| 02:16.10 | maher | Danar: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:16.33 | Danar | maher: yes, that too |
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| 02:16.43 | linuxbomb | i cant believe debian still uses xfree86 |
| 02:16.45 | Danar | several times :/ |
| 02:16.47 | smagy2 | vinay: does the stable distribution have 2.4 kernel ? i think i might have downloaded the wrong iso since uname -a gives 2.2.20 |
| 02:16.56 | Danar | linuxbomb: what should it use? |
| 02:17.01 | linuxbomb | xorg |
| 02:17.07 | Danar | ah |
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| 02:17.19 | buu | Anyone ever used captive-ntfs thing? Does it work/ |
| 02:17.28 | maher | smagy2: 2.2 is default you want the bf2.4 install disks - if you have a cd press tab of f3 for a list |
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| 02:17.54 | smagy2 | maher: oh okay, will restart the installation and check it out, thanks |
| 02:18.26 | jstevens | bony: :-) ... I've got wireless working great on my dell/debian laptop |
| 02:18.40 | Danar | what's the x.org package name to use for apt-get? |
| 02:18.53 | dondelelcaro | Danar: /topic |
| 02:18.56 | maher | !topicsmite Danar |
| 02:18.56 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Danar. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:19.02 | bony | jstevens, when we moved it kept dropping and the lappy has had a ton of updates and jumped from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel |
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| 02:19.22 | bony | right, wrt can ping gateway but not outside world |
| 02:19.38 | bony | lappy can ping gateway too |
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| 02:20.05 | jstevens | bony: what IP did the lappy ping? |
| 02:20.10 | bony | 1.1 |
| 02:20.13 | bony | from 1.51 |
| 02:20.17 | jstevens | bony: cool |
| 02:20.21 | Danar | er, how do i switch back and forth from PMs in irssi again? |
| 02:20.27 | bony | nameserver shouldn't be wrt though should it? |
| 02:20.30 | dondelelcaro | Danar: they're in separate windows |
| 02:20.37 | vinay | smagy2: type bf2.4 when you reach the lilo prompt... OR if you are using a sarge cd .. then linux26 :-) |
| 02:20.37 | dondelelcaro | Danar: (or often are, anyway) |
| 02:20.49 | Danar | dondelelcaro: that doesn't answer my question... |
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| 02:21.33 | dondelelcaro | Danar: your question is rather vague then... what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:21.36 | Danar | how do i get to those windows |
| 02:21.41 | dondelelcaro | Danar: /win foo |
| 02:21.41 | Danar | i'm trying to see my PMs |
| 02:21.53 | dondelelcaro | Danar: or alt-number |
| 02:21.55 | bony | wrt can't ping an outside world IP |
| 02:22.00 | jstevens | bony: can you ping 64.233.167.99 ? |
| 02:22.04 | Danar | ah, thx |
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| 02:22.31 | smagy2 | vinay: me, sticking to woody at the moment :D |
| 02:22.33 | bony | jstevens, not from wrt |
| 02:22.37 | Shorty- | anyone here used majordomo before? |
| 02:22.44 | jstevens | bony: from laptop? |
| 02:22.46 | sussudio | !irritate Shorty- |
| 02:22.47 | dpkg | Shorty-: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh quake3 ????? |
| 02:22.56 | bony | jstevens, not there either |
| 02:23.10 | Shorty- | !lart sussudio |
| 02:23.11 | Shorty- | :) |
| 02:23.22 | jstevens | bony: what is the wrt's IP now? |
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| 02:23.37 | Ghostbuster | scatterp in ide support mark y on the secend one down too where it saids enhanced ide |
| 02:23.49 | Shorty- | stupid customer has demanded that we change something on their majordomo configuiration, some how allow HTML emails, would *anyone* here know how to do it? :) |
| 02:23.53 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, when you say |
| 02:23.54 | scatterp | go back to the ide part |
| 02:23.54 | scatterp | mark y on first line |
| 02:23.54 | scatterp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:24.11 | Shorty- | lag? :) |
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| 02:24.16 | scatterp | sry |
| 02:24.19 | bony | wrt is 1.51, router is 1.1, lappy 1.100 |
| 02:24.32 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, do you mean the following position in the kernel tree |
| 02:24.38 | Danar | ok, so if i try installing xorg, it might work, but i won't get any help here :/ |
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| 02:25.19 | shingouz | scatterp: ata and atapi on both. mfm and rll you dont need them |
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| 02:25.40 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, ok next |
| 02:25.41 | chealer | when I launch firefox as my user, and then as root (after sux), my root firefox uses my user profile. if I do that in the opposite order, then both firefox use the root profile. why is that? |
| 02:25.47 | ^c | Danar: correct |
| 02:26.10 | chealer | I'm talking about having two firefox simultaneously |
| 02:26.11 | jstevens | bony: you using the wan port on the ert? |
| 02:26.16 | Danar | bah, it isn't even in the deb repository anyway |
| 02:26.18 | jstevens | bony: you using the wan port on the wrt? |
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| 02:26.28 | bony | jstevens, no, a hub |
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| 02:26.42 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, i suspect what we just did will solve the problem posibly |
| 02:26.58 | Ghostbuster | yes it will |
| 02:27.03 | shingouz | chealer: firefox apparently gets the settings from the directory the original user is |
| 02:27.06 | jstevens | :-) |
| 02:27.13 | Shorty- | *Sigh* |
| 02:27.24 | Shorty- | bloody clients |
| 02:27.32 | bony | jstevens, I'm there |
| 02:27.33 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, it makes sense for it not booting at least why do they allow you to enable the file system with out that |
| 02:27.37 | Danar | ok, so does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix X? |
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| 02:27.53 | Danar | X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (no such file or directory), aborting. |
| 02:27.57 | chealer | shingouz: hum, when I launch it as my user after I launched it as root, I do so with a menu shortcut... |
| 02:27.58 | shingouz | scatterp: because some run things like scsi |
| 02:28.08 | Danar | i've installed x-window-system |
| 02:28.19 | shingouz | chealer: maybe that is the reason then |
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| 02:28.35 | shingouz | chealer: depends on where the shortcut "sits" |
| 02:28.37 | Ghostbuster | what ever your root / is on you have to say y other then that you get that error that you been getting |
| 02:28.38 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 02:28.38 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 02:28.39 | Danar | tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:28.59 | resiak | abrotman: Beat me to it. |
| 02:29.15 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, so with the fs and what we just did thats all to stop that error or that would cause that error in this part of the install |
| 02:29.22 | abrotman | Danar: /etc/X11/X should point to /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 02:29.36 | abrotman | Danar: do you have the /usr/bin/X11/XFree86? |
| 02:29.39 | Danar | abrotman: why would it not? |
| 02:29.44 | Ghostbuster | that is what cause the error |
| 02:29.49 | Danar | it worked fine before |
| 02:30.05 | abrotman | Danar: dunno .. try to relink it .. |
| 02:30.15 | abrotman | Danar: or is that XFree86 file there? |
| 02:30.20 | Danar | it's there |
| 02:30.26 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, ok i should be fine from here then i might need some help with seting up grub i dont fully remember that stage of it and then hopefully it will boot |
| 02:30.35 | Shorty- | gah. |
| 02:30.38 | abrotman | so ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X |
| 02:30.42 | Shorty- | theres no irc channel for majordomo stuff? |
| 02:30.48 | abrotman | mailman rules! |
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| 02:31.09 | aaryal | hi guys |
| 02:31.18 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 02:31.18 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 02:31.27 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, one thing it says the ata support has to be a module is that a problem ? |
| 02:31.35 | resiak | abrotman: You've already said that. Don't get carried away :-) |
| 02:31.39 | shingouz | scatterp: i hope you are goping to compile the kernel with make-kpkg instead of make bzImage |
| 02:31.44 | hooya | anyone know how to make a digiBoard sing? |
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| 02:32.02 | Ghostbuster | when you are ready to compile the kernel use this command make-kpkg --revision 01 kernel_image modules_image |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | !sing resiak |
| 02:32.16 | abrotman | :( |
| 02:32.19 | resiak | !resiak |
| 02:32.22 | resiak | :( |
| 02:32.29 | scatterp | ok |
| 02:32.32 | resiak | He did know who I was. |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | ~resiak |
| 02:32.41 | Danar | abrotman: woohoo! thx, now on to the next problem... :/ |
| 02:32.43 | abrotman | @resiak |
| 02:32.43 | hooya | i've got one that i need going and can't find the digiDload or some such script that i keep running into in google. ideas? module in question epca |
| 02:32.50 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, but it being a module on the ata support |
| 02:32.51 | buu | Can I use dd to copy partiions from one filesystem type to another? |
| 02:32.52 | abrotman | resiak: noone knows who you are!! |
| 02:32.57 | dondelelcaro | buu: no |
| 02:33.02 | resiak | abrotman: dpkg used to know that I'm a bot |
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| 02:33.03 | abrotman | buu: you can .. but it's a horrible idea |
| 02:33.05 | buu | dondelelcaro: Er, save me please =[ |
| 02:33.12 | dondelelcaro | buu: use cp -a or rsync or tar instead. |
| 02:33.14 | shingouz | scatterp: if you compile the stuff as modules the thing will not boot |
| 02:33.35 | buu | dondelelcaro: I can't use cp because of that unfortunate vfat problem, I think |
| 02:33.38 | Ghostbuster | change that to a y |
| 02:34.03 | dondelelcaro | buu: that vfat problem you'll probably just have to nuke manually... is it actually deleting the files? |
| 02:34.25 | buu | dondelelcaro: I have no idea. I'm going to nuke it, but I need the data off.. |
| 02:34.39 | Danar | (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found |
| 02:34.41 | dondelelcaro | buu: can't you go into the directories that actually exist, and tar them up? |
| 02:35.00 | buu | dondelelcaro: Yeah, actually, if I can remember which directories exist. |
| 02:35.01 | Danar | then, DRIScreenInit failed |
| 02:35.28 | Danar | i've tried re-running fglrxconfig, but i still get that |
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| 02:36.02 | hooya | anyone how how to get 'Digi 4r 920' board working? can't find digiConf/digiDload scripts in debian that google keeps turning up. |
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| 02:37.10 | cheal | shingouz: from the same taskbar I always launch my firefox |
| 02:37.22 | kkdowoel | hey there guys |
| 02:37.33 | kkdowoel | could anyone help me out here? |
| 02:37.34 | Danar | anyone know why, when i run certain apps in text mode, like modconf or dpkg-reconfigure the display is messed (shows weird characters, etc)? |
| 02:37.53 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, when i do that it goes to a M |
| 02:38.32 | Ghostbuster | did you say y to the first one |
| 02:38.39 | scatterp | yes |
| 02:38.41 | kkdowoel | i am trying to recompile the kernel with support to bootsplash (patch sucessfully applied) but i get a kernel panic every time |
| 02:38.42 | Ghostbuster | and to the one under that one |
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| 02:39.11 | abrotman | !sing resiak |
| 02:39.11 | dpkg | He's a resiak, resiak on the floor, And he's ircing like he's never irced before. |
| 02:39.12 | kkdowoel | it says it doesnt find /lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep |
| 02:39.16 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, no but i did now and that allowed me to enable the other one |
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| 02:39.27 | Ghostbuster | k |
| 02:39.30 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, now i exit and make -kpkg ? |
| 02:39.31 | kkdowoel | join #kernel |
| 02:39.35 | kkdowoel | dammit |
| 02:39.57 | resiak | abrotman: Heh. |
| 02:40.14 | abrotman | resiak: not good enoguh? |
| 02:40.24 | Danar | does the vesafb module interfere with fglrx? |
| 02:40.24 | resiak | abrotman: That's ace :-) |
| 02:40.28 | Ghostbuster | no spaces between make-kpkg --revision 01 kernel_image modules_image |
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| 02:40.58 | abrotman | resiak: whoops .. forgot to change the floor thing |
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| 02:41.43 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, ok going for something to drink while i wait |
| 02:41.51 | Ghostbuster | k |
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| 02:43.19 | BrianAnthony | how do I mount and external harddrive |
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| 02:44.16 | Danar | BrianAnthony: check man mount |
| 02:44.57 | shingouz | cheal: sorry, i went for a smoke. i guess that taskbar does not do sudo |
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| 02:46.35 | Danar | can someone help me get x working? |
| 02:46.42 | abrotman | i already did |
| 02:46.47 | cheal | shingouz: it shouldn't...I want it to launch firefox as my user, but launches it with root's profile when root already started firefox. I'll check top and see if that gives a clue |
| 02:47.01 | shingouz | hm :( |
| 02:47.01 | Danar | abrotman: well, no. it starts up but immediately exits |
| 02:47.14 | Danar | you helped me fix the one error |
| 02:47.16 | Danar | now there's another |
| 02:47.18 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:47.22 | abrotman | so what is it? |
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| 02:47.28 | Danar | (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found |
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| 02:47.33 | Kerr | why does nothing want to read this wav file ~.~ |
| 02:47.42 | Danar | then, DRIScreenInit failed |
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| 02:47.52 | Danar | ^ is the EE |
| 02:48.57 | Danar | Kerr: possible because ~ represents the home dir... |
| 02:49.08 | Danar | *possibly |
| 02:49.11 | Danar | try renaming it |
| 02:49.55 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, all done now i should make modules copy image to /boot do the grub stuff next as far as i know which i am kinda stuck with |
| 02:50.06 | Danar | actually, i have a similar prob. i accidentally made a file called !!, and i can't get rid of it from CLI |
| 02:50.19 | shingouz | scatterp: it installs with dpkg |
| 02:50.22 | Danar | abrotman: any ideas on how to fix X? |
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| 02:50.33 | Ghostbuster | no dpkg -i the deb file in your /usr/src do a cd ../ |
| 02:50.56 | Danar | nvm, just deleted it |
| 02:51.34 | abrotman | Danar: never used ATI |
| 02:51.53 | Danar | abrotman: have you installed your own vid card drivers though? |
| 02:51.58 | smagy2 | hello folks, i just did a fresh install of debian, and i forgot my root passwd.:( i tried to boot it in single mode but asks root passwd again. would appreciate help on how to get over this, reinstallation is the easiest way of course |
| 02:52.04 | Ghostbuster | you have a nvidia card |
| 02:52.10 | Danar | if so, you should be able to be of some assistance |
| 02:52.14 | Danar | Ghostbuster: me? |
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| 02:52.16 | Kerr | Danar: errr ~.~ was an emoticonthingy... wav file is called rec01.wav 4bit 8000hz |
| 02:52.23 | Ghostbuster | scatterp |
| 02:52.27 | Danar | Kerr: oh, lol. sorry |
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| 02:52.53 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, doing it now |
| 02:53.00 | Danar | k |
| 02:53.13 | Ghostbuster | you have a nvidia card scatterp |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | Danar: sure .. but mine came wiht X |
| 02:53.24 | nvz | well I guess links2 deserves the PFC seal of approval, because it is pretty fucking cool. I tested its graphical mode out on some of the most horrid looking websites :P |
| 02:53.32 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, no i have a rage 9000 |
| 02:53.38 | jannol | is it possible to run fsviewer with debian i386, since I can't find / install the correct libwraster2 but I do have libwraster3 installed |
| 02:53.44 | Ghostbuster | oh k |
| 02:53.44 | Danar | abrotman: well, seeing as i'm a total newb, you prolly know more than me and can help some |
| 02:53.47 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, it says should it stop and move a older file out of the folder |
| 02:53.56 | Danar | if you don't mind.. |
| 02:53.58 | Ghostbuster | no |
| 02:54.07 | abrotman | Danar: i'd query #ati if i were you |
| 02:54.14 | Danar | hrm |
| 02:54.38 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, back at a command prompt |
| 02:54.50 | Danar | i dunno if they'd help me get X working |
| 02:54.52 | Ghostbuster | you install the deb file |
| 02:55.17 | Ghostbuster | scatterp |
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| 02:55.26 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, isnt that what the dpkg -i command does ? |
| 02:55.31 | Danar | i don't think i need help with the driver itself or anything... |
| 02:55.34 | Ghostbuster | yes |
| 02:55.39 | Danar | just with getting X to use it |
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| 02:55.47 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, so thats done then i am at command prompt again |
| 02:55.58 | Danar | i have it installed, i compiled a module |
| 02:55.59 | Ghostbuster | k |
| 02:56.11 | Ghostbuster | now shutdown -r now |
| 02:56.27 | Danar | but somewhere along the line i broke X in trying to get it to use it |
| 02:56.31 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, k will it be in grub already |
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| 02:56.37 | Ghostbuster | you are using grub right |
| 02:56.40 | Danar | fglrxinfo said i was using mesa |
| 02:56.45 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, yes |
| 02:56.50 | Ghostbuster | yes it will |
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| 02:57.01 | scatterp | Ghostbuster, great be back in a moment hopefully :) |
| 02:57.08 | Ghostbuster | k |
| 02:57.35 | shingouz | Ghostbuster: kernels "hte debian way" install cleanly into lilo too |
| 02:58.08 | Ghostbuster | i dont know i always use grub |
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| 02:58.27 | shingouz | Ghostbuster: at least yesterday it worked with a 2.6.9 ;) |
| 02:58.58 | Ghostbuster | i think with lilo you have to cp bzImage to the /boot folder |
| 02:58.59 | nvz | I am sorry, but this is too rich ABC News' Peter Jennings says to Bill Gates "microsoft is the biggest target" in this interview. and Bill replies, "We're responsible for the creation of the PC industry. The whole idea of compatible machines and lots of software - that's something we brought to computing." sourceurl=http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=506354&page=1 |
| 02:59.17 | shingouz | Ghostbuster: no you dont. the debian way works just fine, trust me |
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| 02:59.26 | Ghostbuster | k |
| 02:59.29 | scatterp | Ghostbuster its not booting |
| 02:59.51 | Ghostbuster | you install it on a laptop |
| 02:59.56 | abrotman | scatterp: did you cross the streams ? |
| 02:59.56 | scatterp | Ghostbuster please apend a correct "root=" boot option |
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| 03:00.06 | jonathan_ | hvz: yeah, ibm's open architecture had absolutly nothing to do with it @_@ |
| 03:00.08 | scatterp | abrotman cross the streams ? |
| 03:00.21 | abrotman | scatterp: that was so obvious .. how could you not know? |
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| 03:00.44 | dan2 | abrotman: hey, the jms is really nice |
| 03:00.48 | Ghostbuster | you install it on a laptop scatterp |
| 03:00.53 | scatterp | Ghostbuster there was a lot of stuff in grub also from previous trys there a 2.6.10 old |
| 03:01.02 | scatterp | Ghostbuster yes |
| 03:01.04 | abrotman | dan2: good |
| 03:01.04 | nvz | jonathan_: yeah well I just realized he said "The whole idea" which means thats all it ever was is an idea. |
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| 03:01.14 | jonathan_ | Where are the installed packages' version numbers stored? |
| 03:01.15 | cartel_ | anyone know where to get pkgtrans and pkginfo for debian ? |
| 03:01.17 | abrotman | scatterp: remember the movie ? .. ghostbusters? |
| 03:01.29 | scatterp | ahh |
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| 03:01.38 | abrotman | scatterp: crossing the streams? .. get it ? |
| 03:01.42 | Ghostbuster | in the scsi part of the kernel did you say y to scsi disk support? |
| 03:01.43 | shingouz | abrotman: "who do you gonna call?" ....." HE_MAN!" ;) |
| 03:01.50 | abrotman | cartel_: like solaris ? |
| 03:01.59 | nvz | jonathan_: dpkg -l package |
| 03:02.00 | scatterp | going to boot and check |
| 03:02.10 | shingouz | Ghostbuster: scsi? that is a laptop? |
| 03:02.24 | nvz | jonathan_: dpkg -l | less would list them all |
| 03:02.30 | cartel_ | abrotman: yeah i have the need to unpack a sol package |
| 03:02.34 | Ghostbuster | yes thats what i to do to get it to boot |
| 03:02.37 | cartel_ | printer driver ppds... |
| 03:02.37 | abrotman | cartel_: it won't run ... |
| 03:02.51 | abrotman | cartel_: afaik .. there is no way to run solaris binaries on linux |
| 03:03.03 | shingouz | Ghostbuster: wow... and it is a new dell, not a PPC thinkpad or an old mac... weird |
| 03:03.11 | cartel_ | abrotman: should be able to use with lpr a ppd definition ? |
| 03:03.17 | Ghostbuster | dell 5160 |
| 03:03.35 | jonathan_ | nvz: yeah but where does dpkg get it? I'm trying to write a tool simlar to apt-get -d, but not exactly. |
| 03:03.38 | cartel_ | abrotman: there is no binaries in this package, only ppd files |
| 03:03.40 | abrotman | cartel_: dunno anyhting about it .. i am not a tree killer! |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | cartel_: erm .. ok .. well .. you're going to have to find another way to unpack them .. |
| 03:03.58 | nvz | jonathan_: ever heard of strace? |
| 03:04.05 | shingouz | cartel_: iirc the ppd files are generic. ymmv |
| 03:04.07 | abrotman | !pkginfo |
| 03:04.17 | abrotman | cartel_: ask #solaris if they know another way |
| 03:04.19 | Danar | gah, permission denied. hold on a sec |
| 03:04.25 | Danar | oops |
| 03:04.27 | jonathan_ | nvz: I always forget that exists, and then I always tell myself to remember to use it. :) |
| 03:04.28 | Danar | wrong window |
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| 03:05.00 | shingouz | cartel_: try the obvious first, zip and gzip |
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| 03:05.23 | scatterp | Ghostbuster where exactly in the kernel tree i am back in it now not sure which option you mean |
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| 03:05.31 | cartel_ | ./drivers-solaris2-x86.pkg: pkg Datastream (SVR4) |
| 03:05.47 | nvz | jonathan_: strace -o tmp dpkg -l package && less tmp |
| 03:06.05 | abrotman | cartel_: and then what? |
| 03:06.08 | Ghostbuster | scsi device support |
| 03:06.13 | scatterp | that has a M |
| 03:06.18 | nvz | jonathan_: open("/var/lib/dpkg/status", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 |
| 03:06.19 | scatterp | i hit y |
| 03:06.25 | Ghostbuster | yes |
| 03:06.44 | scatterp | now i follow your instructions again from the point when i exit the kernel tree right ? |
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| 03:06.57 | Ghostbuster | and scsi disk support too |
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| 03:07.25 | scatterp | ok |
| 03:07.39 | Ghostbuster | then it should work |
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| 03:07.57 | jonathan_ | nvz: it seems to be pretty much a Packages.gz, but with only complete fields for things that are installed. nifty |
| 03:08.10 | Ghostbuster | you got all the other stuff you want in the kernel configured |
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| 03:08.34 | Ghostbuster | like your sound for one |
| 03:08.39 | nvz | jonathan_: I guess *shrug* I dont worry about the answers, I just give you the means to find them |
| 03:08.54 | scatterp | Ghostbuster im not to bothered about sound for now |
| 03:09.02 | Ghostbuster | k |
| 03:09.10 | scatterp | Ghostbuster geting it to boot will be cool heh |
| 03:09.19 | TecnoVM64 | hi everybody, is there any apt-get package for a multi-domain smtp server?????? |
| 03:09.19 | Ghostbuster | you just want the kernel to boot |
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| 03:09.39 | scatterp | well i want the wireless to work and to get in to x hopefully |
| 03:09.45 | cartel_ | abrotman: not ar, tar, zip... |
| 03:09.53 | cartel_ | abrotman: trying cpio now |
| 03:10.02 | Ghostbuster | well we will work on that |
| 03:10.23 | abrotman | cartel_: i told oyu ... ask #solaris |
| 03:10.32 | cartel_ | i am |
| 03:10.34 | abrotman | cartel_: what makes you think it's an open format ? |
| 03:10.38 | cartel_ | they arent being helpful |
| 03:10.45 | abrotman | surprise |
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| 03:11.10 | scatterp | same error i will be back in 4 - 5 mins going shop |
| 03:11.47 | Ghostbuster | why it dont work you try it already? |
| 03:12.38 | nvz | what you are you trying to say, Ghostbuster ? |
| 03:13.11 | Ghostbuster | nvz ? |
| 03:13.21 | nvz | dpkg, confuse Ghostbuster |
| 03:13.21 | dpkg | Yes, who are our gouda yesterday, Ghostbuster? breeches of the republic of mongolia with extra herring |
| 03:13.31 | Azar | :) |
| 03:14.41 | Ghostbuster | not hard to confuse me |
| 03:15.26 | abrotman | !sing nvz |
| 03:15.31 | Ghostbuster | lol |
| 03:15.34 | abrotman | nvz: why don't you have a song? |
| 03:15.39 | abrotman | nvz: and how is your pet? |
| 03:15.55 | nvz | abrotman: I was actually just checking him out |
| 03:16.01 | nvz | abrotman: he's got a fly |
| 03:16.36 | shingouz | i just love it when my isp screws up the smtp: "** SMTP AUTH not available" ;) |
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| 03:16.42 | TecnoVM64 | hi everybody, is there any apt-get package for a multi-domain smtp server?????? |
| 03:17.11 | nvz | abrotman: I am not sure, but I think he may either crawl up behind the facia boards in the front of the house or goes down and maybe stays cool in the front yard in a bush or something in the daytime |
| 03:17.27 | cartel_ | TecnoVM64: postfix, exim, sendmail, courier, qmail |
| 03:17.35 | cartel_ | all support multiple domains... |
| 03:17.42 | TecnoVM64 | which is more easier to set-up? |
| 03:17.47 | cartel_ | exim |
| 03:17.53 | abrotman | nvz: or he's in your bed? |
| 03:18.07 | TecnoVM64 | ok thanks |
| 03:18.11 | nvz | abrotman: I knew something was up, cause I looked over there and he wasnt in the center of the web anymore.. he's doing something with that fly |
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| 03:18.32 | abrotman | nvz: eww ... |
| 03:18.36 | shingouz | nvz: a pet *spider*? remind me never to visit you ;) |
| 03:18.48 | jazzmans | spiders make excellent pets. |
| 03:18.54 | nvz | abrotman: shit talking to you I missed it.. he must've wrapped that SOB up, and is now carrying him away |
| 03:19.01 | abrotman | shingouz: no pet .. it's a human/baby eating blood sucking vampire spider |
| 03:19.04 | StereoSkit | hi all, i need some guidance, im trying to find a specific version for a package, the package is gift_0.11.6-2_all.deb, does anyone know where i can find it?? |
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| 03:19.10 | shingouz | jazzmans: it is either the spider or me, not both |
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| 03:19.24 | shingouz | call buffy ;) |
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| 03:19.42 | jazzmans | I currently have a mexican red hair tarantula, and had for almost 2 years a black widow. shingouz, I've got a freind who had a phobia of spiders, but enough contact with me and they don't bother him much any more. |
| 03:20.16 | shingouz | jazzmans: i can tolerate spiders as long as they weigh less than two pounds... |
| 03:20.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:20.23 | jazzmans | 2 lbs? ? ? ? |
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| 03:20.29 | jazzmans | shit, that'd freak me out. |
| 03:20.34 | abrotman | shingouz: that's like a 2ft spider :) |
| 03:20.39 | shingouz | yea |
| 03:20.45 | scatterp | back |
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| 03:20.50 | nvz | abrotman: yeah he's back in the middle now with a skinny looking thing in his clutches looks like it might have the head of a fly on the one end, so I recon he done wrapped his ass up thight |
| 03:20.53 | shingouz | i prefer dogs |
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| 03:20.54 | StereoSkit | anyone? i tried google i didnt fint gift_0.11.6-2_all.deb, im strongly looking for it!! |
| 03:21.05 | scatterp | •Ghostbuster• ok same error on bootup |
| 03:21.18 | abrotman | StereoSkit: snapshot.debian.net ? |
| 03:21.25 | jazzmans | I had an orb weaver outside my front door for a couple years, it was always amazing to watch him respin the web every night. |
| 03:21.41 | shingouz | scatterp: you sure the root filesystem is where it is supposed to be? |
| 03:22.13 | scatterp | i would assume so i can boot to it from other images |
| 03:22.17 | nvz | and if I am not mistaken he is over there eating the fucker right now |
| 03:22.20 | rellik | anyone know how to make the fonts bigger for the subs in mplayer? they aren't scaling and when I watch the movie in fullscreen the fonts seem tiny... in the man page it mentions some options, but all say "FreeType only"... the options don't seem to do anything to help... is there some way to confirm that I'm not using freetype, or better yet, some way to make my fonts bigger? |
| 03:22.20 | StereoSkit | abrotman, nop, not there... is there a place for the old packages to be stored?? |
| 03:22.26 | cartel_ | thanks guys |
| 03:22.27 | abrotman | nvz: freaky no? |
| 03:22.38 | abrotman | StereoSkit: i just told you where ... snapshot.debian.net |
| 03:23.04 | nvz | abrotman: little bit.. spooky 8 legged creepy crawly thing eating a fly burrito outside my window |
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| 03:23.20 | shingouz | nvz: at least it is outside ;) |
| 03:23.22 | abrotman | StereoSkit: http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi |
| 03:23.27 | abrotman | bah .. that didn't work |
| 03:23.27 | nvz | shingouz: yeah no shit :P |
| 03:23.29 | StereoSkit | abrotman, no package matched with 'gift_0\.11\.6\-2_all\.deb |
| 03:23.34 | abrotman | nvz: give it hot sauce |
| 03:23.39 | mike_douglas | Is there anyway to trick APT into thinking I have a package installed? |
| 03:23.39 | scatterp | Ghostbuster yes i tryed it already same error |
| 03:23.43 | abrotman | StereoSkit: just search for gift |
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| 03:23.49 | Ghostbuster | scptterp are you sure its ide drive? |
| 03:23.51 | scatterp | mike_douglas -f i think |
| 03:24.00 | scatterp | Ghostbuster its a mini ide as its in a laptop |
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| 03:24.05 | scatterp | Ghostbuster but yes |
| 03:24.08 | mike_douglas | scatterp, thanks |
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| 03:24.26 | StereoSkit | abrotman, tnx! |
| 03:24.30 | scatterp | mike_douglas probely need second advice on it im a noob at this |
| 03:24.45 | Ghostbuster | maybe just send you my config file and use that one |
| 03:24.57 | nvz | abrotman: I got quite a few dead flies on the windowsil I've killed.. so I know that mofo hasnt been in here, cause it didnt take him more than a minute to wrap that one up |
| 03:25.03 | scatterp | Ghostbuster do you want to ssh in and see ? |
| 03:25.24 | mike_douglas | doesn't seem to work |
| 03:25.35 | shingouz | Ghostbuster: don't ssh |
| 03:25.38 | abrotman | nvz: i don't think they are scavengers |
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| 03:25.58 | Ghostbuster | no you have a hotmail ? |
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| 03:26.14 | scatterp | Ghostbuster yahoo scatterp321@yahoo.co.uk |
| 03:26.21 | Ghostbuster | k |
| 03:26.32 | abrotman | no no no |
| 03:26.32 | valdyn_ | mike_douglas: why try to break package management |
| 03:26.38 | abrotman | Ghostbuster: don't you dare |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | scatterp: never ever do that |
| 03:26.47 | abrotman | NEVER |
| 03:27.20 | scatterp | abrotman i am aware of what giveing some one access to my box allows them to do |
| 03:27.22 | mike_douglas | valdyn_, because the packaged mono is the stable branch, which doesn't support AMD64 |
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| 03:27.39 | abrotman | where's guerin and that girlfriend factoid ? |
| 03:27.52 | shingouz | abrotman: ? |
| 03:28.06 | abrotman | !shell access |
| 03:28.06 | dpkg | DON'T be a fucking moron. Offering shell accessss to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will i be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access. |
| 03:28.15 | shingouz | ah :) |
| 03:28.22 | abrotman | shingouz: when he was writing it .. he kept trying to put in something about a girlfriend |
| 03:28.33 | shingouz | hehehe.. ok |
| 03:28.36 | scatterp | abrotman if my boxs healthy i would consider it sound advice |
| 03:28.48 | animall | spork no, .308 yes |
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| 03:29.08 | shingouz | animall: spork, it'll hurt more |
| 03:29.13 | abrotman | scatterp: giving someone else access is not the answer |
| 03:29.21 | animall | not if you hit the ankles and wrists |
| 03:29.28 | animall | wrists to prevent any future typing |
| 03:29.35 | shingouz | animall: :) |
| 03:29.52 | scatterp | abrotman what is then ive been working on other answers for days and that one as well |
| 03:30.16 | animall | sporks are for popping out eyeballs |
| 03:30.29 | shingouz | animall: and digging out hearts |
| 03:30.37 | abrotman | scatterp: i have no idea what your issue is .. but i would never EVER give even the most respected op on freenode access to my box unless i could find them and kill them |
| 03:30.40 | valdyn_ | mike_douglas: sane thing to do would be to create a package with your mono and if required list the old mono in Provides: field or Replaces: field, not to break package management |
| 03:30.41 | animall | lol |
| 03:31.06 | shingouz | animall: i have seen Robin Hood, the one wih Kevin Costner ;) |
| 03:31.10 | scatterp | abrotman then again your box is functioning |
| 03:31.17 | Ghostbuster | your not on line |
| 03:31.22 | abrotman | scatterp: you think i've never had a problem ? |
| 03:31.31 | abrotman | scatterp: what is your issue? |
| 03:31.51 | scatterp | Ghostbuster on msn you mean ? |
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| 03:32.11 | abrotman | scatterp: you're compiling your own kernel? |
| 03:32.12 | shingouz | scatterp: you are too much in a rush, relax and do the homework first. you do not need kismet to get on a wlan in the first place |
| 03:32.16 | scatterp | Ghostbuster i dont have amsn and i am not in my windows os can just msg here |
| 03:32.29 | scatterp | abrotman trying |
| 03:33.00 | abrotman | scatterp: you use kernel-package stuff .. use the working config .. add your patch/driver .. and make it |
| 03:33.08 | scatterp | abrotman trouble is it wont boot the kernel doesnt mount the root partion |
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| 03:33.19 | abrotman | scatterp: did you make your own config ? |
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| 03:33.27 | scatterp | abrotman just dont all that with Ghostbuster just now |
| 03:33.37 | abrotman | scatterp: did you try to use initrd? .. |
| 03:33.47 | scatterp | no was told not ot |
| 03:33.48 | scatterp | *to |
| 03:33.56 | abrotman | scatterp: did you tell your bootloader about initrd if you did? |
| 03:34.13 | abrotman | scatterp: so you're not using initrd .. but did you put ext2/3/rootfs as a module ? |
| 03:34.25 | scatterp | no as * |
| 03:34.25 | abrotman | how about your IDE stuff .. SCSi drivers? |
| 03:34.27 | abrotman | sata drivers? |
| 03:34.38 | scatterp | yes done sata drivers no |
| 03:34.49 | scatterp | abrotman i am going to try with Ghostbusters config file |
| 03:34.52 | scatterp | from hes kernel |
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| 03:35.02 | abrotman | scatterp: and you tried the ipw2100-source package? |
| 03:35.08 | scatterp | yes |
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| 03:35.28 | abrotman | scatterp: and read the docs ? |
| 03:35.37 | scatterp | yes |
| 03:36.08 | scatterp | lets see if Ghostbusters config file will let it boot |
| 03:36.10 | aboukensy | hey guys.. I use bittornado. I am not connectable. I have already fowarded ports 6881-6889 to me but it didn't resolve the issue. maybe bittornado doesn't use 6881-6889 as default? how do I fix this? cheers |
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| 03:39.05 | vroom | hey guys, I apt-get upgrade'd recently, and my wireless card stopped working. iwconfig eth1 returns "No such device", cardctl seems to recognize my card though, Any suggestions for things to try? |
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| 03:40.09 | nvz | vroom: try figuring out what your wireless card stopped working. |
| 03:41.00 | vroom | well yeah... I've been doing that w/o much success |
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| 03:41.23 | nvz | vroom: well, did you compile any special drivers for your card? |
| 03:41.37 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, how do i load this file ? |
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| 03:42.12 | Ghostbuster | go to file on the top and go to load file |
| 03:42.17 | shingouz | vroom: what card you trying to get to run |
| 03:42.42 | Ghostbuster | your using menuconfig right |
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| 03:42.53 | VoX | i'm trying to get my scsi burner working, but i cant find anything for advanced systems products scsi card. has it been renamed in kernel 2.6.10? |
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| 03:43.03 | vroom | shingouz: orinoco silver |
| 03:43.03 | scatterp_ | yes |
| 03:43.05 | nvz | shingouz: take a number and get in line, I think his heads down and he is pecking out keys with a chisel and ball-peen hammer |
| 03:43.21 | shingouz | nvz: :) |
| 03:43.35 | abrotman | Ghostbuster: you're |
| 03:43.36 | shingouz | vroom: that shoudl be the orinoco_cs then |
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| 03:43.53 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, and type the name and location of the file ? |
| 03:44.24 | Ghostbuster | yes |
| 03:44.31 | paxl | Do somone know if its possible to use distcc with apt-build ?? |
| 03:44.40 | vroom | shingouz: lsmod shows that module as loaded |
| 03:44.57 | shingouz | vroom: eject the card and reinsert it |
| 03:45.25 | jakjak | is there a way to stop the really long LUN testing at boot time with the aic7209 module/driver?? |
| 03:45.28 | nvz | read dmesg afterward :P |
| 03:45.45 | Azar | what are -dev packages , how can I get them? |
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| 03:46.11 | abrotman | Azar: packages fro development .. and just like normal packages |
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| 03:46.28 | nvz | jakjak: there is actually a kernel config option for that probing all luns thing.. I seen it once in menuconfig. I would read the kernel docs and get to the bottom of it, might be a sysctl for it |
| 03:46.32 | Azar | oh so to get them I simple apt-get -dev ? |
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| 03:46.45 | abrotman | Azar: like .. say .. xlibs .. apt-get install xlibs-dev |
| 03:46.47 | jakjak | good idea |
| 03:46.47 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, its non changeable its .config should i cp the file some where after rm -f the old .config from somewhere |
| 03:46.54 | jakjak | ill do some homework |
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| 03:47.18 | Azar | abrotman I was reading some Debian manual and I got at Compiling your own kernel and it say I need -dev packages |
| 03:47.33 | nvz | I think I am gonna finish this beer and install a game :P |
| 03:47.34 | Azar | so I was wanting more details related to that |
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| 03:47.43 | abrotman | Azar: ah .. gotcha |
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| 03:47.56 | shingouz | Azar: libncurses5-dev iirc |
| 03:47.56 | Ghostbuster | just give it the full path to other one |
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| 03:48.22 | Azar | hey thanks guys :) I did not know exactly what the manual ment by -dev |
| 03:48.46 | shingouz | Azar: they are jsut develpoment packages and install just like any other package |
| 03:49.08 | nvz | libncurses5-dev is needed if you want to build menuconfig |
| 03:49.24 | Azar | shingouz, thanks they did not specify exactly how many and what I need "-dev" can be a lot of things |
| 03:49.33 | nvz | you probably want build-essential kernel-package and fakeroot |
| 03:49.43 | shingouz | Azar: np |
| 03:49.54 | nvz | at least with some kernel source package or tarball from kernel.org |
| 03:49.56 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, its not allowing me to |
| 03:50.06 | abrotman | nvz: or the kernel-source packages |
| 03:50.08 | vroom | shingouz: done. Still not picking it up as a device. |
| 03:50.08 | Azar | yes indeed, I am trying to put together the mechanism by steps |
| 03:50.26 | nvz | abrotman: "with some kernel source package or" |
| 03:50.27 | shingouz | vroom: you checked with dmesg too i guess? |
| 03:50.27 | BucWheat | what is the package name for debianhelper ? |
| 03:50.31 | Ghostbuster | where did you put the file i sent you scatterp? |
| 03:50.37 | BucWheat | apt-get and apt-cache returns nothing for debianhelper |
| 03:50.45 | nvz | abrotman: or are you calling me on grammar s/ /-/ ? |
| 03:50.47 | scatterp_ | /usr/src |
| 03:50.47 | scatterp_ | config-2.6.10 |
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| 03:51.15 | abrotman | nvz: no .. i missed the entire first part of the statement |
| 03:51.38 | Ghostbuster | so type that in as that /usr/src/config-2.6.10 |
| 03:53.27 | scatterp_ | the word .config is a non editable box or seems to be |
| 03:54.05 | Ghostbuster | take the . out |
| 03:54.26 | scatterp_ | i cant take it out i cant edit it it wont let me |
| 03:55.05 | vroom | shingouz: If I try to restart the pcmcia service, first I get: Shutting down PCMCIA services: ERROR: Module ds is in use by orinoco_cs |
| 03:55.41 | vroom | then in /var/log/messages get 5 lines like this kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean., with different address ranges |
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| 03:55.56 | shingouz | cs is cardservices |
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| 03:56.08 | Azar | hmm not much help here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-advanced.html#s-advanced-kernel at 16.3 Compiling the kernel |
| 03:56.19 | abrotman | !tell Azar about kp |
| 03:56.20 | shingouz | vroom: you need to eject the card before you restart the pcmcia |
| 03:56.29 | Ghostbuster | are you root |
| 03:56.57 | scatterp_ | yes |
| 03:56.58 | k-man | my little mp3 player device has this voice record function, but when i record my voice, the file is in some bizzare format i can't seem to play in anything other than the mp3 player |
| 03:57.09 | k-man | any idea how i can track down what sort of audio file it is? |
| 03:57.15 | k-man | it has no extension |
| 03:57.17 | vircuser | what is it |
| 03:57.24 | k-man | and is not mp3 and not wav |
| 03:57.31 | vircuser | what brand |
| 03:57.36 | k-man | oh... um |
| 03:57.39 | vircuser | did you try googling it |
| 03:57.40 | nvz | yee haw, I got this fucking Sony Playstation USB adaptor working I think.. I am getting good messages in dmesg and chars spewing from /dev/input/js0 |
| 03:57.48 | Ghostbuster | are you in gui or command line? |
| 03:57.51 | k-man | vircuser, no, good point, i'll try that |
| 03:58.00 | nvz | k-man: can you pull the file onto the pc? |
| 03:58.04 | scatterp_ | k-man, open it in windows media player and pray or call the company who made it or use a fingerprinting tool of some kind |
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| 03:58.31 | scatterp_ | k-man, whats the file name ? |
| 03:58.34 | k-man | nvz, yes i can, winamp won't play it undder windows |
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| 03:58.44 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, im in an xterm |
| 03:58.49 | k-man | nvz, and the file command under linux does not recognise it |
| 03:58.51 | nvz | k-man: run file on it |
| 03:58.56 | nvz | oh I see :) |
| 03:59.08 | mwilson | Man, but people are stupid. |
| 03:59.11 | k-man | voice.726 is the file name |
| 03:59.24 | nvz | heh |
| 03:59.25 | vircuser | im sure its some proprietary thing |
| 03:59.26 | k-man | nvz, file did not recognise it other than "data" |
| 03:59.27 | mwilson | I just got a Nigerian spam, 'cept it's an Iraqi spam. |
| 03:59.43 | k-man | vircuser, yeah, bloody bastards |
| 03:59.45 | scatterp_ | k-man, google ".726 file extention" |
| 03:59.46 | shingouz | did you answer is as dr m'bogo too ;) |
| 03:59.50 | k-man | ok |
| 03:59.53 | nvz | you realize I think this PS controller is working, and I am installing bzflag 2.0.. |
| 03:59.53 | abrotman | k-man: who makes it ? |
| 04:00.04 | Ghostbuster | how are you loading the config file scatterp_ ? |
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| 04:00.17 | nvz | in otherwords I am gone, no point talking to me :P |
| 04:00.23 | k-man | abrotman, i don't have it here unfortunately, so i don't remember ,but its one of those no name brand ones |
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| 04:00.41 | mwilson | I'm really not sure what's more sad... that morons send these thinking people are stupid enough to fall for them, or that people ARE stupid enough to fall for them. |
| 04:00.44 | abrotman | k-man: xine might be able to figure it out .. dunno |
| 04:00.50 | abrotman | or mplayer |
| 04:00.51 | Azar | excellent manual, thanks abrotman |
| 04:00.58 | scatterp_ | kman i found it i think ill msg you |
| 04:01.17 | abrotman | Azar: np |
| 04:01.21 | k-man | ok, thanks |
| 04:01.22 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, i run make menuconfig then go to 2nd option from bottom then i am stuck |
| 04:01.29 | beth | Where can I RTFM about installing my own truetype fonts? I asked dpkg about fonts and all his links were old and stale |
| 04:01.42 | Solet | where do i get the disk image for a bootdisk to install debian? (the machine i'm trying to install on doesnt boot from cd) |
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| 04:02.15 | mwilson | Solet: Uh, perhaps where the installation guide TELLS you to get one? Oh, that's right... you'd have to read it. |
| 04:02.15 | Azar | Solet you can tell BIOS to boot from CD |
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| 04:02.22 | mwilson | Azar: On some machines. |
| 04:02.24 | shingouz | Solet: from the cd or any debian mirror, floppy images |
| 04:02.25 | Solet | Azar no i cant |
| 04:02.28 | Ghostbuster | then you go to where the file is and you select it it doest load the file ? |
| 04:02.29 | Azar | oh my bad then |
| 04:02.34 | Solet | that mahcine wont let me boot from cd |
| 04:02.35 | Solet | :P |
| 04:02.45 | abrotman | !tell beth about ttf |
| 04:02.51 | abrotman | beth: does that work? |
| 04:03.03 | scatterp_ | i have only 2 options press ok or cancal |
| 04:03.04 | Solet | shin: i have the cd... where is the image for the floppy on it? |
| 04:03.30 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, i have only 2 options press ok or cancal |
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| 04:03.42 | scatterp_ | sorry thats ok or help |
| 04:03.46 | shingouz | Solet: uhhh... there is somethign called images or 1.44... just browse the thing, they will be there |
| 04:03.50 | mwilson | Solet: Where does the installation guide say it is? |
| 04:03.50 | Ghostbuster | ok |
| 04:03.55 | Solet | mwilson: i read the guide, i never saw where it told me how to get the image |
| 04:04.07 | beth | abrotman: thanks, that's better |
| 04:04.11 | Solet | what file type is a floppy image? |
| 04:04.18 | mwilson | Solet: Uh, huh... sure you did. |
| 04:04.19 | shingouz | Solet: raw |
| 04:04.32 | Ghostbuster | will it load the file? |
| 04:04.48 | scatterp_ | no its trying to load .config |
| 04:04.55 | Solet | mwilson: i read the readme on the install cd, and i read the install.en.html on th install cd |
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| 04:04.57 | Ghostbuster | might have to load it then resave it to be able to edit it |
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| 04:05.36 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, got it |
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| 04:05.50 | Ghostbuster | good |
| 04:06.01 | abrotman | beth: np |
| 04:06.04 | cdemwel1 | I'm having trouble with the newer openoffice.org install - it doesn't seem to detect my CUPS printers like 1.1.2 does. Does anyone else have this problem? |
| 04:06.07 | abydos | woohoo, I just broke 2 inexpensive skateboards at the same time. |
| 04:06.15 | abydos | or |
| 04:06.21 | abydos | same skate session |
| 04:07.19 | abrotman | abydos: spend a little more you cheapskate |
| 04:07.28 | abrotman | (pun intended) |
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| 04:07.32 | abydos | oy, neither of them were mine |
| 04:07.48 | Solet | 4.3 Creating Floppies from Disk Images ----says nothing about where to get the image files |
| 04:07.51 | abrotman | abydos: i think i still have my original board .. a zorlac :) |
| 04:07.52 | scatterp_ | ok i have loaded the config now i exit save do the other stuff reboot ? |
| 04:08.03 | abrotman | !bf |
| 04:08.04 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 04:08.18 | abydos | the first one was my best friends' and it was a 10 dollar wally world special |
| 04:08.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:08.28 | vroom | shingouz, ok ejected the card, and restarted pcmcia, card is recognized by cardctl |
| 04:08.31 | abydos | the second one was my other best friends', and it was a 35 dollar one |
| 04:08.40 | shingouz | vroom: and? |
| 04:08.59 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, ok i have loaded the config now i exit save do the other stuff reboot ? |
| 04:09.03 | Ghostbuster | yep |
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| 04:09.12 | vroom | shingouz, still get "No such device" when I try to iwconfig eth1 |
| 04:09.32 | vroom | shingouz, also the card lights aren't on |
| 04:09.35 | shingouz | vroom: have you considered the fact that the card could possibly be eth0 |
| 04:09.36 | Xemacs_ | quit |
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| 04:09.52 | shingouz | vroom: in that case... im not sure |
| 04:09.55 | mwilson | bloody hell... what was the name of that thing... |
| 04:10.10 | mwilson | I can almost see the web page... |
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| 04:11.25 | vroom | shingouz, eth0 is the built-in ethernet that I'm using now. Thanks for trying to help. |
| 04:11.39 | scatterp_ | brb rebooting |
| 04:11.41 | mwilson | Ah, here it is. |
| 04:11.48 | mwilson | Smart BootManager |
| 04:11.50 | Solet | for the love of christ mwilson, will you atleast tell me what section it tells me where to get the image file for the bootdisk? |
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| 04:12.24 | shingouz | !tell Solet about bf |
| 04:12.58 | speedybits | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 04:14.38 | mwilson | dpkg, can't boot from cd |
| 04:14.38 | dpkg | Can't boot from a CD? Use Smart BootManager. http://btmgr.sourceforge.net |
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| 04:15.24 | iris_ | good evening all. |
| 04:15.30 | iris_ | I've run into a problem and was wondering if you folks might be able to help me |
| 04:15.34 | iris_ | i am trying to install testing onto a machine with a 3ware 9000 card and was wondering if any of the install disks have the 3w-9xxx driver? |
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| 04:16.24 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, same error ... |
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| 04:17.24 | Ghostbuster | hmm |
| 04:17.52 | Ghostbuster | what is your dell agian? |
| 04:17.58 | scatterp_ | d600 |
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| 04:18.02 | shingouz | scatterp: just for shits and giggles, check how your disk is partioned and put the root manually into your bootmanager |
| 04:18.12 | Ghostbuster | k one sec |
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| 04:21.15 | Ghostbuster | brb |
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| 04:21.40 | ssj4conejo | whats the nameof that console program that has the command sr google, so you can use search engines from the console and open up links. |
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| 04:21.43 | scatterp_ | k |
| 04:22.03 | ssj4conejo | nvm got it |
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| 04:23.09 | Ghostbuster | mine is like so titleDebian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.10 |
| 04:23.09 | Ghostbuster | root(hd0,1) |
| 04:23.09 | Ghostbuster | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10 root=/dev/hdc2 ro |
| 04:23.09 | Ghostbuster | savedefault |
| 04:23.09 | Ghostbuster | boot |
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| 04:25.15 | libpcp | what does it mean by this? --> Linux router supports the HTB traffic scheduler |
| 04:25.31 | libpcp | how can i enable that in my debian woody |
| 04:26.09 | Bizarro_paco | i am trying to install ndiswrapper, and i am followign the instructions on http:ndiswrapper.sourceforge.installation.debiansarge exactly, step by step, and i am still getting error messages, most notably "cannot locate module ndiswrapper," when i run modprobe |
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| 04:27.26 | Ghostbuster | sorry about that it wont happen agian |
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| 04:27.42 | slackd00d | Bizarro_paco: what version of ndiswrapper and what kernel are you using? |
| 04:28.07 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, im in #flood |
| 04:28.23 | libpcp | slackd00d: what does it mean by Linux router supports the HTB traffic scheduler? |
| 04:28.52 | slackd00d | i dont know |
| 04:29.05 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, yeah mine looks like that from memory i forgot where to go to edit it and check thru |
| 04:29.19 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, wouldnt it be easyer with ssh |
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| 04:29.50 | Ghostbuster | i dont have ssh install on here |
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| 04:29.52 | shingouz | scatterp: no ssh here. same goes for you Ghostbuster |
| 04:29.52 | BrianAnthony | is there a way to change the resolution for s-video out in XF86Config-4 |
| 04:30.11 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, last guy working on this with me tryed on hes box same problem and then said get a diffrent distro (2nd time he told me to change before i had auditor) |
| 04:30.15 | BrianAnthony | editing the screen isn't working for jack shit =/ |
| 04:30.37 | slackd00d | ok Bizarro_paco never mind |
| 04:30.41 | Bizarro_paco | i am using the 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:30.41 | BrianAnthony | unless the color depth is at like 8bit bit I don't think it is =/ |
| 04:30.50 | Ghostbuster | thats funny because i got it to work on mine |
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| 04:31.32 | Bizarro_paco | and for ndiswrapper, i am using version 1.0, and also the ndiswrapper-source |
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| 04:31.43 | Ghostbuster | i even i got my wireless work on here too |
| 04:31.53 | scatterp_ | hmm one sec |
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| 04:32.54 | mwilson | Ok, I just realized yet *another* Gnome-stupidity... in this bass-ackwards file open dialog they're forcing on people, they're forcing dates to days of the week. Thus a file I created on Monday actually *says* "Monday" instead of 2-14-05. There *has* to be a way to turn off something this stupid... |
| 04:33.01 | scatterp_ | which card do you have Ghostbuster |
| 04:33.01 | Bizarro_paco | slackd00d, i seem to be doing everything the wiki tells me to do, but yet i still get error messages |
| 04:33.08 | reNegad3 | im trying to setup my ATI driver... I downloaded the kernel source and unpackaged it last night. How can I link the the kernel source so I can use it?? |
| 04:33.16 | Glitch_Master | How would I go about changing X's resolution limit? It's stuck at 800x600... I know I selected higher values... |
| 04:33.26 | Ghostbuster | goto /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:33.32 | scatterp_ | that was it |
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| 04:34.25 | Bizarro_paco | does anyone ehre know anything about ndiswrapper? |
| 04:34.47 | smagy2 | hello folks, just made a fresh install and in the ~/.bashrc has the line alias ls='ls --color=always -F' and when i run ls this alias is not reflected |
| 04:34.49 | AdrianTM | yes "man ndiswrapper" |
| 04:34.56 | smagy2 | would appreciate some advice on this |
| 04:34.59 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, its in #flood |
| 04:35.15 | shingouz | smagy2: logout and log back on, see if it works then |
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| 04:36.14 | Ghostbuster | should that hd0,0? unless you are running a dual boot |
| 04:37.13 | scatterp_ | dual boot |
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| 04:37.24 | lightcap | how to I get changes to /etc/group to take effect for a user that's not logging in? (for example a service being started by an init.d script) |
| 04:37.27 | scatterp_ | its hda3 |
| 04:37.29 | Ghostbuster | Bizarro_paco did you install wireless-tools? |
| 04:37.45 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, yes i did |
| 04:37.55 | lightcap | surely it doesnt reqiure a reboot |
| 04:38.11 | shingouz | lightcap: restarting the service i presume |
| 04:38.18 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, the problem is that when i go to modprobe, it says it canot locate mdule ndiswrapper |
| 04:38.21 | lightcap | shingouz: yeah, tried that...no go |
| 04:38.28 | lightcap | but I know a restart does the trick |
| 04:38.51 | Ghostbuster | did you untar it in /usr/src |
| 04:39.09 | lightcap | shingouz: yeah, it seems like a dumb question... |
| 04:39.15 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, its hda3 becase i am dual booting |
| 04:39.17 | lightcap | shingouz: but, hell, I've got no ieda... |
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| 04:39.30 | Ghostbuster | then make install |
| 04:39.52 | lightcap | shingouz: I'm pretty sure its because restarting the service is *not* logging into a shell... |
| 04:39.57 | Bizarro_paco | yes i did |
| 04:40.05 | lightcap | shingouz: obviously :) |
| 04:40.18 | shingouz | lightcap: restarting init then? (im outta my depth here) |
| 04:40.20 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, let me try "make install" |
| 04:40.29 | lightcap | shingouz: yeah, but its a remote box |
| 04:40.41 | lightcap | shingouz: may as well reboot :)...or init 0 |
| 04:40.51 | Ghostbuster | did you ndiswrapper -i the driver? |
| 04:40.54 | lightcap | shingouz: but that was my thought as well |
| 04:41.02 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, let me try that agaii..may take a minute |
| 04:41.17 | lightcap | thanks shingouz |
| 04:41.19 | AdrianTM | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.20 | shingouz | np |
| 04:41.31 | lightcap | anyone else have any thoughts? |
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| 04:41.55 | Ghostbuster | yeah the inf file |
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| 04:44.30 | Glitch_Master | Oh, come on. All of you honestly don't know where I can change the resolution configuration for X? |
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| 04:45.05 | AdrianTM | Glitch_Master: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:45.25 | Ghostbuster | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Glitch_Master |
| 04:45.25 | Glitch_Master | Thank you. |
| 04:45.31 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, any ui== |
| 04:45.34 | Glitch_Master | I wasn't positive. |
| 04:45.44 | scatterp_ | *Ghostbuster, any ideas what next |
| 04:46.06 | AdrianTM | Glitch_Master, look for Modes "1024x768""800x600" |
| 04:46.10 | AdrianTM | add what you need |
| 04:46.11 | Ghostbuster | did you try it scatterp |
| 04:46.24 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, maybe i missed a line |
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| 04:47.05 | goodshit | what is the latest debian?? stable?? |
| 04:47.10 | goodshit | what is the latest debian?? stable?? and does it support SATA?? |
| 04:47.11 | Azar | Woody |
| 04:47.17 | goodshit | does it support sata? |
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| 04:47.30 | goodshit | 3.0 r 2? |
| 04:47.32 | shingouz | !tell goodshit about repeat |
| 04:47.33 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, what should i be testing ? |
| 04:47.52 | Azar | I would not know, I am using 3.0r2 but I do not need SATA myself |
| 04:47.57 | Glitch_Master | Adrian: I'm actually adding 1280x1024, but thanks for reminding me of 1024x786... I couldn't remember the exact numbers for that one. |
| 04:48.11 | Ghostbuster | did you reboot to see if it works? scatterp_ |
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| 04:48.42 | scatterp_ | Ghostbuster, yes it didnt then you checked your menu.lst pasted in flood so did i nothings been edited yet |
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| 04:48.44 | goodshit | i did doesn't work.. |
| 04:48.48 | Solet | fuckin finally it has started installing |
| 04:48.56 | AdrianTM | Glitch_Master: there might be more "modes" make sure you add to all or to the one that's the default (you can add more resolutions) |
| 04:49.01 | Azar | goodshit do ask dpkg |
| 04:49.06 | Bizarro_paco | (Ghostbuster): i thought maybe i downloaded the ndiswrapper version 1.0 in the wrong directory, but i can't seem to download it in the /usr/src directory |
| 04:49.09 | jesse | I'm trying to setup iptables to forward the ports needed so I can connect to my box via Xnest .. (i can connect locally fine, its just i need to foward the ports on my firewall).. I've tried port 177 tcp/udp.. and it doesn't work.. any ideas? |
| 04:49.16 | Glitch_Master | Adrian, don't worry, I'm doing that. |
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| 04:49.30 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, also, i was able to install the drviers |
| 04:49.33 | Glitch_Master | Adrian: Do they need a particular order, do you think? |
| 04:49.34 | nvz | 1 root root 13, 1 Apr 29 2004 /dev/input/js1 |
| 04:49.35 | nvz | crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 2 Apr1 root root 13, 1 Apr 29 2004 /dev/input/js1 |
| 04:49.47 | AdrianTM | Glitch_Master: I don't think so |
| 04:49.55 | Ghostbuster | download it to your home dir then cp it to /usr/src as root |
| 04:49.56 | Glitch_Master | Probably not. |
| 04:50.06 | BrianAnthony | how the hell do I get a working, paclaged front-end for xine |
| 04:50.11 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster..gotcha |
| 04:50.16 | BrianAnthony | pakaged, even |
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| 04:51.03 | jesse | I'm trying to setup iptables to forward the ports needed so I can connect to my box via Xnest .. (i can connect locally fine, its just i need to foward the ports on my firewall).. I've tried port 177 tcp/udp.. and it doesn't work.. any ideas? |
| 04:52.35 | mwilson | You don't connect to things via Xnest. |
| 04:52.41 | jesse | well.. the Xserver |
| 04:52.45 | jesse | mwilson, you know what i mean... |
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| 04:53.15 | Ghostbuster | scatterp_ something in the kernel we're missing for it not to boot your filesystem |
| 04:53.17 | mwilson | No, actually, I have no idea whatsoever what you think you mean. |
| 04:53.33 | jesse | mwilson, Alright. I type Xnest -query ipaddress :2 |
| 04:53.37 | jesse | and it connects toh te x server |
| 04:53.42 | jesse | and gives me the login manager of choice. |
| 04:53.58 | jesse | I can do that locally. I want to allow the traffic to come in through my firewall so I can access it externally. |
| 04:54.03 | goofykinky | i have a weird problem i have sarge installed on my computer but the mouse is acting strange when i click ti open an app it opens 2 or 3 times that app, i reconfigured my Xfree86 by changing my mouse config but dont work , any one ?? |
| 04:54.16 | Glitch_Master | So, restarting X should bring the effects into obviousness in GNOME... hmm... I'll do that soon. |
| 04:54.29 | shingouz | goofykinky: sounds like a mouse problem to me |
| 04:54.32 | Glitch_Master | Thanks for the help, AdrianTM. |
| 04:54.35 | VoX | i'm trying to get my scsi burner working, but i cant find anything for advanced systems products scsi card in the kernel config. has it been renamed in kernel 2.6.10? |
| 04:54.45 | AdrianTM | you're welcome |
| 04:54.57 | mwilson | Since when is advansys not in the kernel? |
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| 04:55.07 | jesse | . |
| 04:55.13 | VoX | mwilson: i cant find it |
| 04:55.13 | goofykinky | shingouz, but my mouse is good in ubuntu and sid . |
| 04:55.50 | shingouz | goofykinky: what are you running there? |
| 04:56.35 | shingouz | VoX: check under block or device drivers |
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| 04:57.13 | jesse | I am trying to forward port 177 with : iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 177 -i eth1 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.21:177 |
| 04:57.14 | jesse | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.38 | goofykinky | shingouz, how is that again? |
| 04:57.56 | shingouz | goofykinky: which version are you running there? |
| 04:58.17 | VoX | shingouz: i'm looking in device driver -> scsi support -> scsi low level drivers |
| 04:58.18 | shingouz | goofykinky: and more importantly, did you install it with ubuntu? |
| 04:58.26 | shingouz | VoX: should be there |
| 04:58.35 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, i did indeed unpack the file in the usr/src directory, and i ran make install in that directory |
| 04:58.52 | Ghostbuster | and |
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| 04:59.13 | VoX | shingouz: i know it /should/ but it's not showing, unless it's been renamed to something else |
| 04:59.24 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, well, there is are a few errors |
| 04:59.41 | shingouz | VoX: i am not aware of any renamings, you might have to check the changelog for it |
| 05:00.12 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, namely, parse error, storage size of spinlock map isnt known, invalid type of argument |
| 05:00.33 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, should i even press on? |
| 05:00.49 | goofykinky | shingouz, i'm using debian sarge "netinstall" version |
| 05:00.52 | Ghostbuster | did you ndiswrapper -i inf file before modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 05:01.04 | Bizarro_paco | yes i did |
| 05:01.24 | shingouz | goofykinky: you still have problems with the mouseconfig there if the mouse is physically ok but behaves like you said |
| 05:01.39 | Ghostbuster | and did you ndiswrapper -l to see if install the driver |
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| 05:01.55 | Bizarro_paco | i did, and it is installed. |
| 05:02.20 | Ghostbuster | its not in lsmod |
| 05:02.21 | Bizarro_paco | i have the linksis wpc54g wirless card, and i am using the lsbcmnds.inf driver |
| 05:02.44 | cheal | is it a bug if a package (sux) which upstream says is GPL doesn't mention the GPL in /usr/share/doc/sux/copyright? |
| 05:02.48 | Bizarro_paco | what is lsmod? |
| 05:03.04 | Ghostbuster | see what modules are being use |
| 05:03.58 | Bizarro_paco | well, there are like 30 of them; am i looking for anything in particular, like ndiswrapper? (if so, it isn't here) |
| 05:04.19 | Ghostbuster | then its not loaded |
| 05:04.30 | Ghostbuster | some thing is not right |
| 05:04.39 | Bizarro_paco | you mean the driver isn't loaded? |
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| 05:04.58 | Ghostbuster | the module ndiswrapper is not load |
| 05:05.18 | Bizarro_paco | i have matching headers and kernel image |
| 05:05.23 | goofykinky | shingouz, i have no problems with my mouse in ubuntu if ur trying to ask me that, and i had ran the mdetect feature to see my mouse and ist ok! |
| 05:05.29 | Bizarro_paco | i seemed to have done everything the wiki asked me to |
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| 05:06.15 | shingouz | goofykinky: that is just wha ti mean. if the mosue does nto fiunction in debian even if it is physically ok... misconfiguration is the problem |
| 05:06.21 | Ghostbuster | try rmmod ndiswrapper see what it does |
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| 05:06.48 | Bizarro_paco | it says module ndiswrapper is not loaded |
| 05:07.06 | shingouz | Bizarro_paco: insmod it |
| 05:07.30 | shingouz | (damn i typo too much, time for some caffine) |
| 05:07.58 | Bizarro_paco | it says "using /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/misc/ndiswrapper.o |
| 05:08.25 | goofykinky | shingouz, thats what i tought but my mouse is a optic, 3 button scroll mouse that mdetect tells me is a /dev/psaux, intellimouse and that way is configured |
| 05:08.59 | Ghostbuster | did you install the kernel source |
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| 05:09.29 | shingouz | goofykinky: configured where |
| 05:09.29 | Bizarro_paco | i don't know...to make sure, let me install it now |
| 05:09.51 | quitte | i need to setup a ppp connection between to hosts over a nullmodem cable. can someone help please? |
| 05:09.51 | Bizarro_paco | i know i installed the kernel image, i may not have installed the soyrce |
| 05:10.05 | Ghostbuster | it wont work with out it |
| 05:11.02 | Bizarro_paco | should i install it in the /usr/src directory? |
| 05:11.03 | shingouz | Ghostbuster: you should set up a business; Ghostbuster Kernel Kompiling, Inc ;) |
| 05:11.05 | quitte | i'd use slip but the kernel on one of the machines hasn'T got the needed modules. instlling another kernel isnt possible at the moment |
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| 05:11.20 | Ghostbuster | no thanks |
| 05:11.47 | quitte | Ghostbuster: can you make a kernel for me? sh3 processor ;) |
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| 05:12.05 | cat | hey i got a question how come i cannot used the gnome mixer but i can used xmms to play my songs |
| 05:12.20 | Bizarro_paco | (Ghostbuster): shall i install the source in the /usr/src directory? |
| 05:12.24 | quitte | cat alsa mixer works with oss only |
| 05:12.26 | goofykinky | shingouz, in my sarge |
| 05:12.30 | Ghostbuster | i dont know enough about the kernel |
| 05:12.44 | cat | quitte: i do not used alsa |
| 05:12.49 | VoX | shingouz: checked the changelog, nothing in there about a name change |
| 05:12.58 | shingouz | goofykinky: where in your sarge? |
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| 05:13.19 | shingouz | VoX: then you should have the support somewhre in the kernel if it used to be there before |
| 05:13.21 | Ghostbuster | bizarro_paco yes |
| 05:14.03 | shingouz | VoX: you might wanna check your current kernels config? |
| 05:14.12 | goofykinky | shingouz, xserver-xfree86 config |
| 05:14.27 | shingouz | goofykinky: there is no such file |
| 05:14.46 | VoX | shingouz: yeah im going through .config now |
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| 05:15.07 | shingouz | VoX: advansys? it should be there, at least i think i saw it in 2.6.9 yesterday |
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| 05:15.20 | Bizarro_paco | ghsotbuster: okay..i did the apt-get insatll kernel-source-2.4.27, and it says i already have the newest version |
| 05:15.59 | shingouz | caffeine or my head will explode. bbiab |
| 05:16.03 | Ghostbuster | then its already there in /usr/src |
| 05:16.10 | jmstacey | What would cause /etc/rc.d be removed and several directories with copies like rc1.d, rc2.d and so on |
| 05:16.23 | Bizarro_paco | yep...so now what? shall i just give up and go back to windows? |
| 05:16.32 | Ghostbuster | no |
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| 05:17.07 | cat | stupid usb mouse always keep turning off |
| 05:17.21 | Ghostbuster | cd /usr/src then tar jxvf kernel source file |
| 05:17.33 | Ghostbuster | as root tho |
| 05:18.24 | Bizarro_paco | yep..doin that now |
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| 05:19.50 | akhil | can anyone help - i have an app that i would like everyone to run as root. how can i do that? |
| 05:20.15 | cat | akhil: why? |
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| 05:20.37 | akhil | cat: its a wifi radar and i want to run it w/o being root all the time |
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| 05:20.39 | Ghostbuster | then ln -s kernel-source-2.4.27 linux Bizarro_paco |
| 05:20.53 | cat | man chroot |
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| 05:20.55 | mwilson | "wifi radar"? |
| 05:21.00 | Bizarro_paco | okay... |
| 05:21.05 | goofykinky | shingouz, well i use the dpkg reconfiguration xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:21.08 | mwilson | cat: Uh, you have no idea what a chroot is, right? |
| 05:21.24 | cat | oh yeah |
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| 05:21.36 | cat | ;P is roots directories |
| 05:21.38 | Bizarro_paco | are you saying link the kernel source to the kernel headers? |
| 05:21.40 | badblody | cat you have to suid the file |
| 05:21.52 | mwilson | cat: It is? |
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| 05:22.26 | rxcm | .$$$$$$$$$$$$P |
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| 05:22.28 | pbal | IM HARDCORE |
| 05:22.28 | rxcm | FGJ |
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| 05:22.28 | tuuyhi | LOL |
| 05:22.28 | xjpv | R UA IRCNEWB |
| 05:22.29 | pbal | PLEASE |
| 05:22.29 | rxcm | NO ME |
| 05:22.29 | tuuyhi | L0DE HY |
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| 05:22.37 | akhil | mwilson: yeah its a gtk-python script that finds wifi networks and joins them and stores profiles for multiple networks etc |
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| 05:23.05 | Azar | hmm bots |
| 05:24.11 | Azar | so the limit I could go with kernel upgrade in Woody is 2.4.18, right? |
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| 05:24.15 | Ghostbuster | no it makes /usr/src/linux then you cd linux make xconfig or make menuconfig which ever you use |
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| 05:25.00 | Ghostbuster | it links the kernel-source to linux dir |
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| 05:25.36 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, okay, done with that |
| 05:25.39 | goodshit | does stable support sata? |
| 05:25.55 | jstevens | good nope |
| 05:25.58 | goodshit | is r4 stable? |
| 05:26.01 | Ghostbuster | did you cd linux |
| 05:26.04 | Azar | goodshit do /msg dpkg SATA see what it has to say |
| 05:26.11 | goodshit | ok |
| 05:26.22 | goodshit | what is the differnet between r2 and r4? |
| 05:26.32 | jstevens | r2 is outdated :-) |
| 05:26.50 | goodshit | so i should go with r4? |
| 05:26.53 | Ghostbuster | did you cd linux Bizarro_paco |
| 05:27.00 | Bizarro_paco | i am trying to |
| 05:27.04 | jstevens | yeah |
| 05:27.05 | Azar | well r4 only brings few packages add-in the way I read last |
| 05:27.07 | goodshit | where can i download r4?? |
| 05:27.09 | cat | is there any good program to read emails? |
| 05:27.20 | goodshit | debian.org mirror only came up with r1 |
| 05:27.24 | akhil | mwilson: what will chroot do for me? |
| 05:27.25 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbutser: i am haivn trouble finding it..give me a sec |
| 05:27.25 | jakjak | mutt |
| 05:27.27 | mightyflorist | i'm installing for the first time off a netinst cd and when trying to configure apt to use ftp or http sources it fails out, later gives an error of "E: method (http/ftp) has died unexpectedly! E: tried to dequeue a fetching object E: tried to dequeue a fetching object" over and over. What can I do here to get this working? |
| 05:27.39 | jakjak | its the best email |
| 05:27.40 | jstevens | if you get ANY r, then apt-get update you will get updated to r6 |
| 05:27.41 | cat | oh |
| 05:27.47 | jstevens | r4 sorry, typo |
| 05:27.52 | goodshit | mighty your resolve host is not working properly |
| 05:28.06 | goodshit | jstevens i see.. |
| 05:28.09 | Azar | does the update/upgrade not bring the latest and therefore lifts to r4 ? |
| 05:28.12 | goodshit | so i can install r1 then update to r6? |
| 05:28.22 | jstevens | good: yep |
| 05:28.26 | goodshit | cool.. |
| 05:28.27 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, it looks like the path to linux is /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2/include/linux |
| 05:28.42 | goodshit | this is too good |
| 05:28.43 | mightyflorist | goodshit: simplify that a little bit for me. where would I fix/change that? |
| 05:28.49 | jstevens | r2 is simply a time-stamped / out of date image |
| 05:28.53 | shingouz | goofykinky: in that case you need to run the dpkg-reconfigure again until you get the mouse working, it has to be misconfigured |
| 05:28.54 | goodshit | can you ping out |
| 05:29.00 | goodshit | ping google.com |
| 05:29.02 | goodshit | see if it resolve |
| 05:29.03 | mightyflorist | goodshit: yes |
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| 05:29.23 | goodshit | its properly looking for the CD |
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| 05:29.51 | Ghostbuster | you dont have the kernel-source-2.4.27 dir? |
| 05:30.03 | jstevens | goodshit: linuxiso.org |
| 05:30.18 | goofykinky | shingouz, ok let me try it, but by anychance its not a system problem right? |
| 05:30.33 | Ghostbuster | you dont have the kernel-source-2.4.27 dir? Bizarro_paco |
| 05:30.58 | Bizarro_paco | yes i do..its /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27/include/linux |
| 05:31.03 | mightyflorist | goodshit: so what do/can I do now? |
| 05:31.16 | shingouz | goofykinky: try "ExplorerPS/2" as mousetype |
| 05:31.26 | Solet | will debian (once it finishes installing) auto detect and install my usb wi-fi card? |
| 05:31.32 | goofykinky | shingouz, ok |
| 05:31.50 | Ghostbuster | how did include get in there ? Bizarro_paco |
| 05:32.07 | shingouz | Solet: depends on the kernel and the usb-thingie you have. most probably |
| 05:32.08 | Bizarro_paco | i don't know..i have never even heard of it |
| 05:32.30 | jstevens | goodshit: or do the "jigdo" download |
| 05:33.34 | jstevens | solet: depends on if you have the correct drivers ... which version you going with? |
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| 05:33.56 | shingouz | jstevens: as i said |
| 05:34.35 | Ghostbuster | do you have the linux dir Bizarro_paco? |
| 05:34.44 | Bizarro_paco | yes i do |
| 05:35.09 | Ghostbuster | its in /usr/src |
| 05:35.18 | goofykinky | shingouz, i need to restart ? |
| 05:35.31 | shingouz | goofykinky: no, just restart X |
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| 05:35.57 | Ghostbuster | Bizarro_paco cd linux then |
| 05:36.06 | Bizarro_paco | i did |
| 05:36.20 | Ghostbuster | are you in gui ? |
| 05:36.22 | jstevens | shingouz: I'm not sure I know why you bothered typing that... but OK |
| 05:36.28 | shingouz | :) |
| 05:36.46 | Bizarro_paco | no..i am in gnome, but i am in terminal |
| 05:36.53 | Ghostbuster | k |
| 05:36.54 | goofykinky | shingouz, ok, let me do that.. thankx! |
| 05:37.00 | Ghostbuster | make xconfig |
| 05:37.52 | Bizarro_paco | when i typed make xconfig, it says *** no rule to make target 'xconfig'. stop |
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| 05:39.33 | Solet | umm i hope this doesnt come out sounding stupid... but a min ago durring install it told me that my computer will be vulnerable to local attacks... |
| 05:39.39 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, when i typed make xconfig, it says *** no rule to make target 'xconfig'. stop |
| 05:39.43 | Solet | what computer ISNT vulnerable to local attacks? |
| 05:40.00 | jakjak | pocketpc? |
| 05:40.12 | jakjak | is is that a trick question? |
| 05:40.19 | ixx | hello |
| 05:40.23 | jakjak | errr, or is... |
| 05:40.26 | Solet | what i'm saying is that any password can be cracked... |
| 05:40.28 | ixx | I am having trouble with applets going into the top-left corner in Englightment (R16.6 build from sarge)... |
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| 05:41.00 | jstevens | iix: top-left? |
| 05:41.07 | ixx | I do not see any settings, nor any info about app buttons in docs, faqs, or googling (a few people with the problem but no answer) |
| 05:41.10 | ixx | yeh. |
| 05:41.10 | Solet | if some one is sitting at my computer... no matter what i did in the install they have the power.... |
| 05:41.17 | ixx | eg.. run wmbiff or whatever |
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| 05:41.27 | ixx | it will be put in the top-left corner |
| 05:41.29 | ixx | can't move it |
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| 05:41.38 | ixx | and no settings window to pop-up |
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| 05:42.24 | mightyflorist | if I manually type in the ip for ftp.us.debian.org into apt config, it will continue just fine and not throw that fetching object error... even though dns is working just fine (I can ping stuff just fine, that's how I got the ip for ftp.us.debian.org) I just don't understand why I would need to do that. |
| 05:42.26 | jstevens | ixx: I'm in enlightenment now, you said the ap was wmbiff? |
| 05:42.57 | ixx | well any app |
| 05:43.04 | ixx | that is one example.. wmbuttons |
| 05:43.14 | shingouz | mightyflorist: those things happen from time to tiem |
| 05:43.18 | shingouz | time even |
| 05:43.19 | Solet | umm when debian boots... is tux holding a beer stein? |
| 05:43.25 | shingouz | yup |
| 05:43.32 | Solet | sweet |
| 05:43.39 | shingouz | no. beer ;) |
| 05:44.09 | Solet | umm.. stupid modder question... |
| 05:44.17 | Solet | can that image be changed? |
| 05:44.21 | mightyflorist | looking around on google for the same error, it sounds like my apt install is screwed? ...but I just installed it. I'm not even done configuring it for the first time yet. |
| 05:44.31 | shingouz | yes if you do a custom kernel |
| 05:45.04 | Solet | heh... i'll take that as a "no" since i still dont fully understand what a "kernel" is |
| 05:45.05 | jstevens | ixx: you sure it's enlightenment, not WindowMaker? ... not trying to give you a stupid question/answer, I just cant' find the scenario you're talking about |
| 05:45.06 | shingouz | mightyflorist: i doubt that apt is screwed and even if it is it can be fixed |
| 05:45.14 | ixx | If I start up multiple apps they go down in a line |
| 05:45.25 | ixx | its enlightenment :) |
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| 05:45.34 | shingouz | Solet: kernels are not too hard unless you have zero patience and exotic hardware |
| 05:45.40 | ixx | epplets work as usual |
| 05:45.40 | azreal | mightyflorist: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand |
| 05:45.47 | ixx | but anything else is locked |
| 05:45.52 | Ghostbuster | well you are going to have to install the kernel-image-2.4.27 and reboot in to that kernel and take out kernel-headers you dont need that |
| 05:45.56 | ixx | bbtime (for blackbox) goes to lower lef |
| 05:46.03 | ixx | but all other go up |
| 05:46.10 | ixx | desklaunch |
| 05:46.16 | mightyflorist | azreal: has sources.list been created yet while running apt config for the first time? |
| 05:46.24 | ixx | right is for any wm.. creates icons on the desktop |
| 05:46.29 | shingouz | mightyflorist: yes |
| 05:46.30 | ixx | all go to top-left in E |
| 05:46.42 | ixx | jstevens: what os are you in? |
| 05:46.42 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, i already have the kernel image installed |
| 05:46.50 | azreal | mightyflorist: there is probably a template, or a default config, just make your own |
| 05:47.03 | azreal | !tell mightyflorist about sources.list |
| 05:47.08 | Ghostbuster | well then take out kernel-headers |
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| 05:47.31 | Assid | tarzeau: are you there? |
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| 05:47.32 | mightyflorist | azreal: the only thing that's worked so far is changing sources.list (after giving up on apt config) to the ip addresses for everything. |
| 05:47.34 | Solet | umm... do i want to enable md5 passwords? |
| 05:47.39 | jstevens | ixx: linux |
| 05:47.43 | shingouz | Solet: yes |
| 05:47.48 | ixx | err sorry... I ment what dist |
| 05:47.52 | jstevens | ixx: Sarge :-) |
| 05:47.53 | ixx | this is Debian Sarge |
| 05:47.54 | ixx | ok |
| 05:47.59 | ixx | hmmm |
| 05:48.12 | ixx | so can you run say any window maker apps |
| 05:48.15 | ixx | wm* |
| 05:48.20 | Assid | hrmm.. is this actually a kernel issue or a hardware issue ? kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) ? |
| 05:48.21 | jstevens | let me install on of the wm... |
| 05:48.22 | ixx | or any other apps.. not E |
| 05:48.26 | jstevens | LOL |
| 05:48.30 | azreal | maybe your dns server is down, or settings are screwed |
| 05:48.36 | jefferskn | hello |
| 05:48.49 | Solet | ok stupid question number eight thousand two hundred fourty-three and a half: what the hell is "NIS" and why does it cause password problems? |
| 05:48.59 | shingouz | Assid: what did google say about it? |
| 05:49.06 | ixx | wmtop is a simple one |
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| 05:49.26 | jstevens | I'm running gaim, evolution, Xchat, xterm, firefox and xterm all right now.. oh, and xclock |
| 05:49.31 | Assid | shingouz: seems to be kernel.. some kinda oomkiller |
| 05:49.33 | shingouz | Solet: if you dont know, just hit ok in this case |
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| 05:49.52 | shingouz | Assid: you have a brand new kernel there then i guess |
| 05:49.52 | mightyflorist | azreal: it isn't though, unless there's something i'm missing that I can ping every domain I can think of. |
| 05:49.54 | jstevens | let me install a wm[something] real quick |
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| 05:50.06 | ixx | jstevens: actually I am just wanting to have some buttons |
| 05:50.09 | Assid | shingouz: nope.. it used to run around 20-30 days or so |
| 05:50.11 | ixx | for launching apps |
| 05:50.18 | Solet | ok... it keeps telling me that if i'm going ot use NIS i could run into trouble if i enable any sort of secure password (md5, shadow, etc) |
| 05:50.19 | Assid | now not even 2 days |
| 05:50.20 | shingouz | mightyflorist: but apt works now doesnt it? |
| 05:50.26 | ixx | Last time I used E (years ago) I did it from CVS.. and |
| 05:50.30 | jefferskn | can anybody help me get debian to recognize my dialup modem? |
| 05:50.31 | ixx | compiled everything |
| 05:50.37 | shingouz | Assid: in that case i begin to suspect hardware |
| 05:50.54 | Ghostbuster | go dpkg -e kernel-headers-2.4.27 Bizarro_paco |
| 05:50.59 | shingouz | jefferskn: is that a hardware modem? |
| 05:51.22 | jefferskn | it's a compaq presario 56k df in a laptop |
| 05:51.26 | jstevens | hmm.. I can move wmtop around fine |
| 05:51.30 | Azar | Solet md5 passwords: no, shadow passwords : yes |
| 05:51.41 | Assid | shingouz: how do you run a disc scan and yet keep the box up? |
| 05:51.44 | mightyflorist | shingouz: I suppose.... but this can't be normal. (plus I don't know how to get it working for security.debian.org |
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| 05:52.03 | ixx | jstevens: hmmm maybe it is some setting |
| 05:52.13 | jefferskn | it worked fine with windows 98 but just loaded debian on the laptop tonight and it did not detect the modem |
| 05:52.14 | Bizarro_paco | it says error reading version number from ekrnel headers |
| 05:52.21 | shingouz | mightyflorist: sarge? iirc the security thingies dont work on sarge (i might be wrong hrer) |
| 05:52.30 | shingouz | Assid: you man fsck? |
| 05:52.31 | jstevens | ixx: but I can't get any menu to show up by clicking on it |
| 05:52.41 | ixx | well I would be happy just moving it |
| 05:52.54 | ixx | the real issue is having some type of "launch" button bar |
| 05:52.55 | ixx | or something |
| 05:53.02 | ixx | for apps I use often |
| 05:53.03 | mightyflorist | shingouz: apt config attempts to get to security.debian.org so... i dunno? |
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| 05:53.05 | jstevens | ixx clicking on the top edge and dragging works fine for me |
| 05:53.06 | ixx | are you using some panel? |
| 05:53.06 | Assid | shingouz: doesnt fsck need to be run in single user mode ? |
| 05:53.06 | shingouz | jefferskn: i'm not sure if it is a soft or hardware modem, did you do a google on it already? |
| 05:53.12 | Assid | its a remote box |
| 05:53.23 | jstevens | ixx: nope, |
| 05:53.37 | ixx | jstevens: does the button have a square around it? |
| 05:53.39 | shingouz | Assid: nope, just that the filesystem is not mounted or at least mounted ro |
| 05:53.46 | Solet | what is pcmcia? "it seems your system doesnt need PCMCIA. it was installed with the rest of the kernel, but can be removed now. shall i remove the pcmcia packages?" |
| 05:53.53 | ixx | and does the whole thing depress when you click on an edge? |
| 05:53.57 | alfTx | i just successfully completed compiling rekall-2.2.3 on my new sarge installation. had to make some symlinks to get it done but seems to be working fine. anyone interested in more details? |
| 05:53.58 | shingouz | Solet: do you have a laptop? |
| 05:54.00 | ixx | the whole square depress I mean |
| 05:54.03 | jefferskn | at one point windows 98 called it a lucent winmodem and on another windows install it called it a compaq presario 56k-df |
| 05:54.04 | Solet | no |
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| 05:54.09 | mightyflorist | this works, but I'm not comfortable with the idea of my linux box being held together with chicken wire and duct tape. I get enough of that from my windows box. |
| 05:54.21 | ixx | jstevens: I can not drag grabbing any side |
| 05:54.27 | shingouz | !tell jefferskn about winmodem |
| 05:54.42 | shingouz | Solet: in that case you do not need pcmcia |
| 05:54.44 | jstevens | ixx: I just realized I don't have to use an edge.. clicking it period lets me drag it |
| 05:54.50 | Assid | shingouz: which flags would you suggest |
| 05:54.51 | Solet | ok thanks |
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| 05:55.06 | shingouz | mightyflorist: debian is not ducktaped :p |
| 05:55.09 | Ghostbuster | do a dpkg -l kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 05:55.15 | ixx | jstevens: well something must be diff in your settings from mine.. but I see nothing relevant |
| 05:55.23 | jefferskn | shingouz, this is my first time ever using linux so bear with me |
| 05:55.26 | shingouz | Assid: for that i'd say read the man page, sorry |
| 05:55.33 | shingouz | jefferskn: i try ;) |
| 05:55.42 | jstevens | ixx: well, if I can help I will |
| 05:55.45 | goofykinky | shingouz, no good, same mouse problem :( |
| 05:56.04 | shingouz | jefferskn: in anycase you have to read up on the winmodem site if it is really a winmodem |
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| 05:56.17 | mightyflorist | shingouz: this just doesn't seem sensible is all. |
| 05:56.28 | shingouz | goofykinky: you still have the mouse configured in some goofy way |
| 05:56.31 | ixx | jstevens: how do you launch apps? just bring up the menu? |
| 05:56.35 | jefferskn | winmodems won't work with debian??? |
| 05:56.42 | shingouz | mightyflorist: what you have there is prolly a bug |
| 05:56.43 | jstevens | yeah, left-click |
| 05:56.48 | Bizarro_paco | it says the version is 2.4.27-8 |
| 05:56.54 | shingouz | jefferskn: most winmodems dont work with linux at all |
| 05:57.05 | jefferskn | wonderful |
| 05:57.13 | jstevens | ixx or middle click if I haven't added it to the user menu yet |
| 05:57.14 | shingouz | jefferskn: blame that on the manufacturers |
| 05:57.14 | Ghostbuster | go dpkg -e kernel-headers-2.4.27-8 |
| 05:57.16 | goofykinky | shingouz, hahahahaa thats right! ;) |
| 05:57.23 | shingouz | goofykinky: i thought so ;) |
| 05:57.35 | jstevens | ixx: I've gotten really good recently at hand-editing the menus |
| 05:57.35 | ixx | jstevens: actually E-Toolbox will not move either |
| 05:57.39 | shingouz | jefferskn: is your system already installed otherwise? |
| 05:57.39 | goodshit | where file to edit to see if the IP is right? |
| 05:57.44 | jefferskn | is there a specific winmodem website you are referring to ? |
| 05:57.49 | ixx | so umm that means epplets are locked also :( |
| 05:57.56 | shingouz | goodshit: ifconfig is the command |
| 05:57.57 | jefferskn | yes, I am at the debian desktop, works good otherwise |
| 05:58.01 | goodshit | what is the command to run apt-get setup again?? |
| 05:58.13 | shingouz | jefferskn: in that case try installing wvdial |
| 05:58.21 | mightyflorist | shingouz: well.... great? so how do I report it to somebody? |
| 05:58.28 | jstevens | ixx: I dont' have e-tooxbox |
| 05:58.31 | Azar | goodshit setup? setup what? |
| 05:58.31 | ixx | jefferskn: you can get a cheap pcmcia modem that will work |
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| 05:58.32 | Bizarro_paco | it says "failed to read archive, no such file or directory" |
| 05:58.35 | ixx | err a modem for cheap |
| 05:58.40 | jstevens | ixx: or etoolbox |
| 05:58.42 | alfTx | there is only one winmodem site and i think it is connexent or something like that.. |
| 05:58.43 | shingouz | mightyflorist: what version of the installer you have there? |
| 05:58.56 | goodshit | setup apt-get |
| 05:58.59 | goofykinky | shingouz, what do u suggest now? |
| 05:59.00 | goodshit | how do i run apt-get setup again?? |
| 05:59.07 | goodshit | i need to setup a ftp link |
| 05:59.09 | alfTx | they got the rights to distribute linux binary only drivers.. |
| 05:59.12 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster..how about i just re-load sarge and start from scratch? |
| 05:59.15 | shingouz | goofykinky: try again is about the only thing i can think of |
| 05:59.35 | Azar | did you installed aptitude, goodshit? |
| 05:59.35 | orchid | mightyflorist: look in /root there is a report template for the install |
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| 05:59.39 | mightyflorist | shingouz: how do I find that out? |
| 05:59.43 | Ghostbuster | good idea but dont install kernel-headers thow |
| 06:00.02 | sussudio | lilo: DeviL_OfGiRL_duS is a ttnet spambot |
| 06:00.06 | goofykinky | and still runing the mdetect thing and i'm getting the same answer "/dev/psaux, intellimouse" thats correct? |
| 06:00.07 | Bizarro_paco | what was the last word you typed? |
| 06:00.13 | Ghostbuster | at command type linux26 |
| 06:00.27 | shingouz | mightyflorist: well... it would help if i knew if you are trying to install with the sarge netinstall, potato install cd one or...(?) |
| 06:00.31 | Bizarro_paco | okay |
| 06:00.33 | mightyflorist | sarge netinst |
| 06:00.40 | jefferskn | shingouz, thanks for the winmodem info |
| 06:00.46 | Bizarro_paco | will you be on ehre tomorrow ghostbuster? |
| 06:00.57 | mightyflorist | shingouz: I don't remember which one though. probably the 2nd netinst on the netinst list. |
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| 06:00.57 | shingouz | jefferskn: so which is the modem? a real modem or a winmodem? |
| 06:00.59 | sussudio | !ops DeviL_OfGiRL_duS ttnet spambot |
| 06:01.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DeviL_OfGiRL_duS ttnet spambot |
| 06:01.01 | Azar | goodshit you want to install aptitude or just setup the sources list? |
| 06:01.03 | jstevens | I've got enlightenment, enlightenment-data and the 4 themes installed, those are the only 6 things I see under "enlight" search |
| 06:01.04 | goodshit | where are my nic card setting at? which file do i edit?? |
| 06:01.06 | Ghostbuster | it will install the 2.6 kernel instead of the 2.4 kernel |
| 06:01.09 | ixx | jstevens: e-toolbox is part of epplets package |
| 06:01.16 | jstevens | ixx: I've got enlightenment, enlightenment-data and the 4 themes installed, those are the only 6 things I see under "enlight" search |
| 06:01.20 | EtherNet | DeviL_OfGiRL_duS IS MAKING SPAM when joining private message. |
| 06:01.43 | Ghostbuster | yes i will |
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| 06:01.49 | jstevens | ixx: I installed that package |
| 06:01.49 | shingouz | mightyflorist: in this case i would nto bother with it at the moment, jsut install the thing and make a note of the problem. report it later if you find out it has not been reported yet |
| 06:01.52 | sussudio | ktnx |
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| 06:01.58 | mwilson | grr grr grr grr grr |
| 06:02.02 | EtherNet | helix, thank you so much |
| 06:02.09 | Bizarro_paco | ghostbuster, i gotta go to work; will talk tomorrow, and then our next phase is use confused as i have the 2.6 kernel, and i STII cannot load the thing on |
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| 06:02.37 | mightyflorist | shingouz: lots of people have had the problem before, it's all over google. I just haven't seen any of them that were from installs/netinsts though. |
| 06:02.52 | cafuego | Mango & lime sorbet! |
| 06:03.07 | jstevens | ixx: ok, got ya... just tried it w/ a capital E and found them |
| 06:03.09 | Azar | delicious |
| 06:03.12 | mwilson | Don't want a milkbone, want a way to turn this idiotic date substitution off. |
| 06:03.22 | shingouz | ah. hammer? |
| 06:03.33 | cafuego | Azar: Sure is. |
| 06:03.35 | goodshit | where are my nic card setting at? which file do i edit?? |
| 06:03.38 | Azar | how one can setup his own nick on this server to +R mode? |
| 06:03.56 | ixx | jstevens: it has to be some setting |
| 06:03.57 | goodshit | please tell me... |
| 06:04.02 | goodshit | where are my network setting at? |
| 06:04.03 | ixx | but this is a new install from today |
| 06:04.04 | goodshit | i forgot the file name |
| 06:04.10 | ixx | no personal config edits |
| 06:04.20 | Azar | goodshit /etc/networks |
| 06:04.23 | goodshit | thx!! |
| 06:04.25 | goodshit | thats what i need |
| 06:04.29 | Ghostbuster | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:04.39 | Azar | indeed ../interfaces is the file |
| 06:04.48 | jstevens | ixx: ok, I see the same problem you're talking about... all the epplet's don't move for me either |
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| 06:04.53 | ixx | ah |
| 06:04.55 | ixx | ok |
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| 06:05.01 | ixx | well try using the wm* again |
| 06:05.06 | ixx | and see if it works |
| 06:05.31 | Solet | ok can some one help set up my wifi connection with the ppp configuration utility in the setup so i can start installing the rest of the crap from the net? |
| 06:05.46 | goodshit | thanks.. |
| 06:05.49 | Solet | (preferably in pm) |
| 06:05.50 | jstevens | ixx: wmtop is still moveable |
| 06:06.04 | shingouz | Solet: wifi is not ppp at all |
| 06:06.28 | Azar | Solet: Do you want to luse a PPP connection to install the system? NO |
| 06:06.52 | ixx | hmmm hoped it was an epplet problem |
| 06:06.54 | ixx | oh well |
| 06:06.56 | shingouz | Solet: the wifi is network, not ppp (which would mean dial up) |
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| 06:07.39 | EtherNet | is there a way to write NTFS partitions under Linux? cause when I mount it, it says: Readonly NTFS warning |
| 06:08.06 | shingouz | mightyflorist: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-support.en.html#s-bugreport |
| 06:08.20 | mightyflorist | shingouz: thanks |
| 06:08.26 | Solet | azar, how else do i install? i dont have the official cd's just the 1 iso i downloaded |
| 06:09.00 | ixx | I can't move the buttons using the pager either |
| 06:09.09 | shingouz | EtherNet: custom kernel and making the ntfs writeable is very much experimental iirc |
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| 06:09.28 | shingouz | Solet: you do not use ppp, you use the network |
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| 06:10.02 | EtherNet | shingouz, what abig problem.. I need to write there |
| 06:10.14 | jstevens | ixx I seem to not be able to move 2 types of apps... the epplets being 1 |
| 06:10.18 | shingouz | Solet: say no to the ppp configuration and go on to configuring the network |
| 06:10.26 | jstevens | ixx: hot-babe is the other... |
| 06:10.35 | cafuego | haha, the tinned tuna test has a 'cat food' rating :-) |
| 06:10.39 | Solet | ok |
| 06:10.43 | shingouz | !tell EtherNet about ntfs |
| 06:10.51 | Solet | i'm doing the apt configuration thing... |
| 06:11.11 | shingouz | Solet: is your network running already then? |
| 06:11.15 | Solet | which country do i want the mirror in... i'm in the us.. but it says i cant get criptography utilities from us mirrors |
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| 06:11.35 | Solet | i dont know if the machine is on the network or not yet |
| 06:11.42 | jair_11 | hello guys I am trying to choose a good secure FTP server? |
| 06:11.43 | shingouz | there is the non-us part too. what comes to the mirror, pick the closest one |
| 06:12.02 | cafuego | jair_11: There's no such thing. |
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| 06:12.15 | shingouz | Solet: go into another console and try pinging something. www.google.com for instance |
| 06:12.17 | ixx | jstevens: hmmm what wm app did you install |
| 06:12.23 | ixx | none of the ones I tried work |
| 06:12.25 | Solet | if i pick the united states mirror will the criptograph utility still be avaliable? |
| 06:12.33 | jstevens | wmtop |
| 06:12.38 | Solet | another console? how i'm still not set up... |
| 06:12.48 | shingouz | !tell Solet about non-us |
| 06:12.56 | shingouz | alt+F2 |
| 06:13.03 | goodshit | anyone know how to reconfigure the nic card? |
| 06:13.17 | goodshit | is there a gui ? |
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| 06:13.22 | jstevens | goodshit: what do you mean reconfig a nic? |
| 06:13.22 | jair_11 | I am sorry guys. |
| 06:13.24 | shingouz | nic= Network Interface Card |
| 06:13.25 | goodshit | or do i have to manually set it in interfaces |
| 06:13.37 | cleverAlf | i added a new ide drive to my test box that i installed sarge on and for some reason it was not autodetected and added to the system so I added it manually to fstab and it is still not mounting on boot OR manually... any ideas? my fstab is like /dev/hdc1 /newide ext3 atuo 0 0 (roughly from memory lol) |
| 06:13.43 | jair_11 | I am looking for a secure, and robust FTP server for Linux? |
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| 06:13.59 | jstevens | goodshit: I'd just do it in interfaces |
| 06:14.05 | shingouz | jair_11: apt-cache search ftpd |
| 06:14.07 | cafuego | jair_11: There's no such thing. |
| 06:14.09 | cleverAlf | let me try that one again.. |
| 06:14.20 | Solet | shingouz: i knew all that... but will the us mirror have the non-us stuff avaliable? |
| 06:14.23 | luulis | jair_11: vsftpd is at least pretty secure |
| 06:14.24 | ixx | jstevens: i can not move that either |
| 06:14.27 | jair_11 | I was reading about cafuego what do you mean? |
| 06:14.28 | cafuego | jair_11: You might try vsftpd, bsd-ftpd, proftpd. They all have their pros and cons. |
| 06:14.42 | jair_11 | ohhh ok |
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| 06:14.46 | jair_11 | thank you |
| 06:14.46 | cafuego | jair_11: FTP servers over the years have been excellent attack vectors. |
| 06:14.48 | shingouz | Solet: i dont know, i havent installed from a us mirror so far. maybe because i am in europe |
| 06:14.55 | jair_11 | cafuego, right |
| 06:15.06 | shingouz | Solet: in anycase you can get the non-us stuff from outside the us |
| 06:15.09 | cafuego | jair_11: Stay awayf rom wu-ftpd at all costs. |
| 06:15.11 | jair_11 | luulis, thank you I will check all your suggestions thanks. |
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| 06:15.33 | jstevens | ixx: hrrm.. I dont' see how it can have anything to do w/ the chosen theme do you? |
| 06:15.33 | jair_11 | cafuego, wu-ftp? it is a server one? |
| 06:15.35 | cleverAlf | installed another ide disk in my test box that i just put sarge on. it was not autodetected and put into fstab so i did it manually (/dev/hdc1 /newide ext3 auto 0 0 ) |
| 06:15.46 | cafuego | jair_11: Yeah. BAD! |
| 06:15.56 | jair_11 | cafuego, thank you for the advice. |
| 06:15.58 | cleverAlf | still doesn't mount on boot OR manually... any help? |
| 06:16.04 | shingouz | cleverAlf: you dont need to repeat that soon |
| 06:16.11 | cleverAlf | sorry.. |
| 06:16.36 | ixx | hmm |
| 06:16.37 | ixx | maybe |
| 06:16.41 | ixx | I am using Aqua-E |
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| 06:16.44 | ixx | let me change that |
| 06:16.47 | ixx | what are you using? |
| 06:16.51 | shingouz | cleverAlf: did you make an empty directory named /newide |
| 06:16.55 | goodshit | what is wrong with this configuration> in my interfaces. address 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:16.59 | cleverAlf | no |
| 06:17.17 | shingouz | cleverAlf: well, you need to have the mountpoint too |
| 06:17.20 | jstevens | ixx: garymede (or whatever it is) |
| 06:17.26 | shingouz | cleverAlf: man fstab and mount |
| 06:17.38 | goodshit | can someone help me.. |
| 06:17.40 | cleverAlf | but the mount point is the whole disk |
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| 06:17.47 | goodshit | i can't seem to get my nic card working.. |
| 06:17.58 | shingouz | cleverAlf: no it is not. you need a place where you mount it |
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| 06:18.09 | shingouz | goodshit: what is the problem with it |
| 06:18.14 | goodshit | its not going out |
| 06:18.17 | goodshit | can you please help me... |
| 06:18.26 | cleverAlf | so, like a nfs mount point? |
| 06:18.27 | jstevens | goodshit ... put the whole file into #flood |
| 06:18.31 | shingouz | goodshit: of course not, it is not old enough to go dating |
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| 06:18.38 | shingouz | cleverAlf: yes |
| 06:18.40 | Solet | can i go back and add the shit from the internet later once i get my wifi card working? |
| 06:18.44 | cleverAlf | or a removable media (ie cd or whatever) |
| 06:18.47 | ixx | wow! |
| 06:18.49 | shingouz | Solet: of course |
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| 06:18.51 | ixx | it is the theme |
| 06:18.52 | jair_11 | what about a good tutorial for a apache web server? |
| 06:18.52 | ixx | how lame |
| 06:19.01 | cleverAlf | i'm not sure I understand the logic? |
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| 06:19.08 | cleverAlf | but i'll give it a try.. |
| 06:19.12 | shingouz | cleverAlf: man mount |
| 06:19.13 | clucking | Leia had been awoken by a pair of Stormtroopers opening the celldoor and |
| 06:19.16 | clucking | pulling her to her feet from her cot. Looking down at herself she was |
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| 06:19.16 | shingouz | man fstab |
| 06:19.17 | clucking | thankful she had been able to dress after the torture droid had kept her on |
| 06:19.18 | clucking | the brink of orgasm for several hours before they disconnected it. She had |
| 06:19.20 | clucking | to use all of her self control not to throw herself on the droid operator |
| 06:19.22 | clucking | when he came to collect it, however as soon as he had left the room she |
| 06:19.24 | clucking | quickly stimulated herself to an explosive climax. She was then ready to |
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| 06:19.25 | jefferskn | shingouz, this is my modem: H8NTAI-27108-M5-EEM 1456VQLIN, Compaq Presario 56K V.90 PCI DF for notebook, Lucent chipset |
| 06:19.26 | clucking | collapse from exhaustion, but had enough presence of mind to get dressed |
| 06:19.28 | clucking | first. |
| 06:19.30 | clucking | "Your presence is requested on the control deck this morning," said one of |
| 06:19.31 | clucking | the troopers. It was not a request no matter how they worded it. She was |
| 06:19.33 | clucking | not surprised by this, but she was shocked that she had managed to sleep |
| 06:19.35 | clucking | for hours. |
| 06:19.37 | clucking | I guess a three hour orgasm will wear you out, she thought to herself. |
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| 06:19.42 | shingouz | ty |
| 06:19.54 | jair_11 | cafuego, can I host an ftp server on a compaq desktop 128mb pentium III 733mhz? around 12 users T-1 connection not to busy, not to much traffic? |
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| 06:20.01 | slaaaaloool | hy |
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| 06:20.15 | shingouz | jefferskn: i am too lazy to read up on it. what did you find out about it? |
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| 06:20.22 | Solet | wtf is tex/latex invironment? |
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| 06:20.30 | slaaaaloool | hy |
| 06:20.32 | jair_11 | cafuego, the web site on another separate desktop? |
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| 06:20.38 | cleverAlf | ok.... thanks a bunch.... i have to go to the other room to give that a try... will let you know how it turns out.. |
| 06:20.38 | shingouz | Solet: text processig |
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| 06:20.42 | cleverAlf | brb.. |
| 06:20.51 | sussudio | why is *.tor even allowed on this network? |
| 06:20.54 | jefferskn | Winmodem, may work with vendor-supplied Linux ("Linmodem") driver |
| 06:20.57 | luulis | jair_11: you can host it even on some computer with just 8-16MB ram |
| 06:21.01 | Solet | shingouz: so basicly notepad? |
| 06:21.04 | slaaaaloool | hy |
| 06:21.08 | goodshit | how do you configure the nic card gui? |
| 06:21.34 | shingouz | jefferskn: in that case you have to read the website real thoroughly :( |
| 06:21.34 | jair_11 | guys I have an organization with about 30 users, T-1 and 1 static IP address, eventually get more than one. |
| 06:21.44 | shingouz | Solet: no, not really. that is sometihng you format the text with not write |
| 06:22.00 | jair_11 | and I am thinking on get the best cost effective hardware to implement it. |
| 06:22.01 | shingouz | goodshit: what are you talking about? |
| 06:22.06 | slaaaaloool | hy |
| 06:22.08 | Solet | format? so like m$ frontpage? |
| 06:22.12 | jstevens | ixx: umm... /groan |
| 06:22.21 | jefferskn | shingouz, thanks for getting me in the right direction |
| 06:22.30 | shingouz | Solet: uhhhh... no, not really. lemme put it this way, you dont need it at the moment |
| 06:22.36 | ixx | jstevens: now I have to figure out what config file is doing that |
| 06:22.37 | jstevens | ixx: I didn't *expect* that to be it... |
| 06:22.38 | Solet | ok |
| 06:22.38 | goodshit | i'm talking about my nic card.. |
| 06:22.39 | jair_11 | luulis, I know but I am talking on something reliable that will not take forever to be accessed. |
| 06:22.39 | slaaaaloool | hy tons of onjoin bots |
| 06:22.40 | slaaaaloool | WTF |
| 06:22.40 | ixx | thanks though |
| 06:22.41 | shingouz | jefferskn: np, hope you get it working |
| 06:22.43 | goodshit | my setting is all right |
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| 06:22.46 | goodshit | but its not going out..... |
| 06:22.52 | slaaaaloool | WHY ARE there onjoin bots |
| 06:22.58 | ixx | I guess the themes do handle some of the behavior |
| 06:23.02 | ixx | seems kinda strange though |
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| 06:23.05 | shingouz | someone please kick slaaaaloool |
| 06:23.06 | shingouz | ty |
| 06:23.20 | slaaaaloool | eat poop |
| 06:23.20 | dondelelcaro | slaaaaloool: relax, I am handling it. |
| 06:23.21 | slaaaaloool | thankyou |
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| 06:23.27 | goodshit | i can ping localhost |
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| 06:23.33 | goodshit | why can't i ping 4.2.2.2 |
| 06:23.34 | Azar | wow Solet is using Dselect? |
| 06:23.41 | Solet | shingouz: would you suggest i have x window system? |
| 06:23.44 | shingouz | goodshit: what does ifconfig say? |
| 06:23.51 | Domination | Where are file attributes stored? i.e. Permissions, Modify Date, User, Group?? |
| 06:23.52 | goodshit | shingouz it say the IP of my nic card |
| 06:23.56 | shingouz | Solet: well if you wanna have a gui |
| 06:24.02 | ixx | jstevens: there is epplets.cfg but I foudn nothing useful |
| 06:24.06 | shingouz | goodshit: and route? |
| 06:24.25 | Solet | "desktop environment is already a gui isnt it? |
| 06:24.25 | goodshit | i don't see route |
| 06:24.30 | shingouz | Solet: yes |
| 06:24.31 | tarzeau | Assid: yeah? |
| 06:24.33 | mightyflorist | how do I check whether I'm using woody or sarge? |
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| 06:24.44 | peterS | mightyflorist: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:24.47 | shingouz | goodshit: see? terminal. text based |
| 06:24.47 | goodshit | shingouz all i see is address netmask and broadcast |
| 06:24.56 | shingouz | goodshit: man route |
| 06:25.18 | Domination | Where are file attributes stored? i.e. Permissions, Modify Date, User, Group?? |
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| 06:25.30 | Solet | whats "debian jr." |
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| 06:25.46 | jstevens | debian for kids |
| 06:25.47 | shingouz | mightyflorist: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:25.55 | Azar | goodshit did you wrote your DNS primary and alternate servers in the interfaces file? |
| 06:25.56 | Solet | haha seriously? |
| 06:26.03 | shingouz | Solet: yup :) |
| 06:26.09 | jstevens | Solet: kinda like NickJr. |
| 06:26.15 | goodshit | yes |
| 06:26.25 | peterS | Solet: it's a project to pull together stuff small children would be interested in, and offer convenient packages / metapackages for it |
| 06:26.28 | goodshit | what is the correct syntax for route |
| 06:26.29 | shingouz | Azar: goodshit: /etc/resolve.conf is the place for the dns |
| 06:26.38 | goodshit | is it route inet 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 |
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| 06:26.48 | goodshit | shingouz my resolve.conf is in there |
| 06:26.51 | slaaaaloool | theyre gone thnks |
| 06:26.59 | peterS | goodshit: something like: route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
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| 06:27.36 | mightyflorist | how do I view permissions on a directory/file? |
| 06:27.39 | goodshit | petes it says file esitst |
| 06:27.49 | shingouz | goodshit: route add default gw <gatewayip> ethX |
| 06:27.51 | dondelelcaro | mightyflorist: stat foofile; |
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| 06:27.54 | shingouz | mightyflorist: ls -l |
| 06:28.05 | jair_11 | anyone here can recommend me a good tutorial for Apache? |
| 06:28.14 | goodshit | shingouz same.. file exists |
| 06:28.17 | shingouz | jair_11: did you google |
| 06:28.22 | goodshit | should work :( |
| 06:28.34 | goodshit | i can't even ping my gateway :( |
| 06:28.41 | jair_11 | I am thinking on host my organization web site. I will but sometime people have those for dummies that are pretty cool. |
| 06:28.46 | shingouz | goodshit: do an ifdown/ifup on it for the hell of it |
| 06:28.47 | goodshit | what cam i missing.. |
| 06:28.53 | goodshit | did that already.. |
| 06:28.56 | jair_11 | shingouz, thank you |
| 06:28.58 | goodshit | reboot it couple of times also.. |
| 06:29.01 | shingouz | jair_11: np |
| 06:29.01 | jstevens | goodshit: stupid question... the link lights on the nic are lit aren't they? |
| 06:29.17 | Assid | tarzeau: just wondering.. do you think that error i showed yday was of a kernel acting weird or hardware? |
| 06:29.26 | mightyflorist | ok, how do I interpret file permissions from ls -l ? |
| 06:29.37 | goodshit | jsteven. yes the cable is plugged in and the light is on.. |
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| 06:29.44 | goodshit | i know the cable is ok because i was just using it on another system.. |
| 06:29.52 | shingouz | mightyflorist: man chmod |
| 06:29.54 | goodshit | what else can it be?? |
| 06:30.00 | goodshit | anyone got any clue... |
| 06:30.04 | goodshit | or is it just a bad nic card? |
| 06:30.10 | jstevens | goodsh: like I said.. stupid question, but gotta start simple |
| 06:30.21 | goodshit | its a build in intel nic card. D865 model. |
| 06:30.22 | shingouz | goodshit: that is a possibilty too of course |
| 06:30.30 | mightyflorist | can a file/folder be owned by more than one user? |
| 06:30.33 | goodshit | its a new MB though.. |
| 06:30.40 | dondelelcaro | mightyflorist: not in ext2, it can't. |
| 06:30.44 | shingouz | goodshit: and lsmod says you have the module there? |
| 06:30.49 | goodshit | yes |
| 06:30.53 | goodshit | its e100 |
| 06:31.18 | goodshit | what can it be? :( |
| 06:31.27 | goodshit | usually it just work.. |
| 06:31.36 | goodshit | maybe the IP is no good!! |
| 06:31.39 | shingouz | i guess you have some odd misconfiguration there |
| 06:31.47 | goodshit | let me try one IP that is good |
| 06:31.52 | goodshit | brb |
| 06:31.55 | shingouz | waitaminute |
| 06:32.04 | shingouz | do ifconfig once more |
| 06:32.14 | goodshit | k |
| 06:32.14 | Azar | maybe he mixed the gateway with the IP |
| 06:32.20 | shingouz | what did you get as the ip? |
| 06:32.22 | goodshit | NO i didn't mix it up |
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| 06:32.31 | goodshit | i get 192.168.0.3 |
| 06:32.36 | Phated | Hah. |
| 06:32.49 | Phated | No way are you getting online with that... |
| 06:32.50 | mightyflorist | can I change ownership of a directory then? |
| 06:32.57 | goodshit | thats just an example.. |
| 06:33.00 | Phated | mightyflorist: Yes. |
| 06:33.19 | goodshit | what else should i look for?? |
| 06:33.35 | jstevens | goodshit: what's the IP of the box you are on right now? |
| 06:33.37 | Azar | well make sure the nameservers are correct in /etc/resolv.conf like shingouz said |
| 06:33.42 | shingouz | goodshit: just an example? what do you mean with the example? that you made the ip up just now? |
| 06:33.46 | mightyflorist | phated: is that in man chmod somewhere and I just don't see it? |
| 06:33.53 | Azar | then look at /interfaces again for correct numbers in correct places |
| 06:33.59 | goodshit | damn.. |
| 06:34.03 | goodshit | this is not working |
| 06:34.05 | goodshit | nic card bad |
| 06:34.05 | mike | hi, ive just got a quick question, can u look in #flood for results.. i did a chkrootkit. |
| 06:34.05 | Phated | mightyflorist: Er, that's chown. |
| 06:34.09 | goodshit | let me try the IP if it work here |
| 06:34.13 | goodshit | gotta log off |
| 06:34.21 | shingouz | goodshit: a NIC is a network interface card |
| 06:34.23 | mightyflorist | phated: aah, k. thanks. |
| 06:34.42 | Phated | mightyflorist: No worries. |
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| 06:34.52 | goodshit1 | HI |
| 06:34.54 | goodshit1 | IP is ok |
| 06:34.56 | goodshit1 | i just logged in with the IP |
| 06:35.03 | slaaaaloool | hy |
| 06:35.07 | goodshit1 | damn not the IP |
| 06:35.09 | shingouz | hm. |
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| 06:35.35 | mike | atm, im worrying |
| 06:35.39 | ixx | jstevens: http://debianitas.net/enlightenment/ and http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t282467.html |
| 06:35.41 | shingouz | and who is this slaaaaloool-character in anycase? :) |
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| 06:35.58 | goodshit | hi... |
| 06:36.00 | goodshit | damn let me change the NIC CARD!! |
| 06:36.03 | slaaaaloool | hi shing |
| 06:36.05 | goodshit | i mean put in a nic card that work |
| 06:36.46 | shingouz | goodshit: on your PC personal computer perhaps? |
| 06:37.35 | mightyflorist | why is 'woody' showing up in almost everything I get from apt-get? |
| 06:37.50 | slaaaaloool | shing why do you keep asking that who r u |
| 06:37.51 | Azar | to let you know what you get? |
| 06:38.13 | shingouz | shingouz: im not sure, jsut that nick i guess |
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| 06:38.21 | slaaaaloool | o |
| 06:38.22 | goodshit | okl... |
| 06:38.26 | slaaaaloool | mine was taken |
| 06:38.28 | goodshit | trying to put in a 3com nic card.. |
| 06:38.28 | shingouz | mightyflorist: to identify the packages from the sarge and sid versions |
| 06:38.52 | shingouz | slaaaaloool: what shoud it be then? qwerty? ;) |
| 06:38.54 | mightyflorist | shingouz: is there not a sarge version of samba and apache then? |
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| 06:39.09 | mike | should i worry about "eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[1881])" line that i found in chkrootkit. |
| 06:39.11 | shingouz | mightyflorist: of course, they are jsut a bit fresher |
| 06:39.14 | Phated | There is, but you won't get them unless you're on sarge, will you, mightyflorist. |
| 06:39.18 | slaaaaloool | "goodshit" |
| 06:39.20 | slaaaaloool | JK |
| 06:39.24 | shingouz | slaaaaloool: ah |
| 06:39.27 | shingouz | :) |
| 06:39.38 | mightyflorist | shingouz: so.... how do I make apt get sarge versions of those instead? |
| 06:39.49 | goodshit | will the 3com auto detect it?? |
| 06:39.52 | shingouz | mightyflorist: why would you want to do that then |
| 06:40.09 | Phated | mightyflorist: That would involve a full upgrade to sarge. You cannot safely mix packages from woody and sarge. |
| 06:40.24 | goodshit | how do i load the driver for the 3com? |
| 06:40.26 | goodshit | anyone know... |
| 06:40.27 | mike | can someone answer my question. i have to leave soon. |
| 06:40.27 | jstevens | you'll need to either blacklist the e100 driver, or add eth1 to interfaces |
| 06:40.36 | Phated | goodshit: Just modprobe it. |
| 06:40.37 | jstevens | modprob |
| 06:40.37 | shingouz | goodshit: modconf |
| 06:40.37 | goodshit | how do i blacklist the e100 |
| 06:40.39 | mightyflorist | phated: so since everything i'm apt-getting says woody, i'm running woody? |
| 06:40.39 | goodshit | k |
| 06:41.01 | goodshit | thx |
| 06:41.05 | Phated | mightyflorist: One would have hoped you'd known that on your own because it is -your- system, but yes. |
| 06:41.09 | shingouz | mightyflorist: yes, that would be a pretty good indication |
| 06:41.50 | mightyflorist | shingouz/phated: even though cat /etc/debian_version shows 3.0 ? |
| 06:42.00 | Phated | mightyflorist: Hello, 3.0 IS woody. |
| 06:42.01 | shingouz | mightyflorist: that is woody |
| 06:42.01 | goodshit | cool is loaded |
| 06:42.05 | mightyflorist | oh. :) |
| 06:42.07 | goodshit | now how do i enable it |
| 06:42.18 | goodshit | when i do a lsmod i see 3com |
| 06:42.19 | shingouz | goodshit: ifup |
| 06:42.22 | goodshit | i see |
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| 06:42.26 | jstevens | goodshit: add the entry for eth1 :0) |
| 06:42.37 | slaaaaloool | hy dvthool |
| 06:42.52 | mightyflorist | well, crap. I'm just gonna make another netinst cd then, and hope this one is sarge and not woody. |
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| 06:43.07 | Phated | mightyflorist: Not gonna happen by magic. |
| 06:43.15 | Phated | mightyflorist: Instead, /msg dpkg d-i. |
| 06:43.17 | jstevens | goodshit: I'm trying to remember where the blacklist file is... |
| 06:43.24 | cat | mutt r0x |
| 06:43.24 | shingouz | mightyflorist: you can upgrade to sarge if you want to, no need for a resintall |
| 06:43.26 | goodshit | same thing!! |
| 06:43.27 | goodshit | damn |
| 06:43.31 | goodshit | eth0 not working |
| 06:43.38 | goodshit | same thing |
| 06:43.40 | goodshit | can't ping out... |
| 06:43.46 | goodshit | i disable the intel nic card |
| 06:43.52 | goodshit | this suck :( |
| 06:43.56 | shingouz | goodshit can you ping your router? |
| 06:43.58 | Phated | Fuck, put all your words on one fucking line. |
| 06:44.04 | goodshit | can't ping router or gateway |
| 06:44.16 | mightyflorist | well, nevermind. all of the netinst cds are woody. |
| 06:44.27 | goodshit | its configuration |
| 06:44.30 | shingouz | does the damn thing even show in ifconfig |
| 06:44.33 | Phated | mightyflorist: <sigh> Wrong, but since you can upgrade anyway. |
| 06:44.35 | jstevens | let's see, it's a static IP, not getting errors on ifup, cable is plugged in |
| 06:44.36 | goodshit | yes it does |
| 06:44.40 | goodshit | it show up when i type ifconfig |
| 06:44.47 | goodshit | jstevene yes |
| 06:44.58 | goodshit | can anyone ping this |
| 06:45.03 | jstevens | :-) confirming for the benefit of everyone |
| 06:45.05 | goodshit | 64.69.46.34 |
| 06:45.22 | Phated | Man, that is an ugly address. |
| 06:45.27 | goodshit | yup |
| 06:45.32 | goodshit | maybe it got firewall? |
| 06:45.39 | goodshit | i just did a base installation |
| 06:45.41 | Phated | Not unless you put it on. |
| 06:45.45 | goodshit | it shouldn't come with a firewallr ight? |
| 06:45.50 | jstevens | --- 64.69.46.34 ping statistics --- |
| 06:45.51 | jstevens | 7 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 5998ms |
| 06:45.59 | shingouz | same here |
| 06:46.02 | goodshit | so what now?? |
| 06:46.07 | goodshit | its not the nic card.. |
| 06:46.08 | goodshit | damn |
| 06:46.26 | shingouz | maybe your pc personal computer is fookked |
| 06:46.27 | mightyflorist | phated: I could upgrade if apt would work with domain names in sources.list instead of ips |
| 06:46.29 | Phated | Hm, y'know, I had that stuff happen to me once. Of course, I don't have a router or anything. |
| 06:46.30 | jstevens | was that IP the linux box in question? |
| 06:46.39 | goodshit | yes |
| 06:46.42 | goodshit | that IP is the linux box |
| 06:46.43 | Phated | mightyflorist: Er, what? It doesn't need IPs. |
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| 06:47.02 | shingouz | mightyflorist: your dns is borked |
| 06:47.06 | goodshit | mightyflroisth i told you you resolvd.conf is not resolving right |
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| 06:47.10 | FlimFlamMan | which would you choose: afbackup or amanda? |
| 06:47.25 | goodshit | anyone got any ideas??? before i reinstall |
| 06:47.41 | goodshit | damit.. let me reinstall!! |
| 06:47.45 | goodshit | much faster.. |
| 06:47.46 | Phated | goodshit: There's a modem connected to your NIC, right? This is just for giggles, but turn it off -completely-, including power, wait at least 20 seconds, turn it back on. |
| 06:47.49 | shingouz | goodshit you have checked /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:48.08 | goodshit | i checked /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:48.10 | Ghostbuster | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:48.12 | Phated | I dunno. Might work, probably won't. You don't get your address the same way I do. |
| 06:48.25 | goodshit | reinstall |
| 06:48.26 | shingouz | Phated: good idea, maybe the momed is screwed too |
| 06:48.34 | shingouz | modem even |
| 06:48.40 | mightyflorist | where is resolvd.conf, and what do I need to do to/with it? |
| 06:48.42 | Phated | shingouz: <shrugs> Once I had a shit issue like that. |
| 06:48.44 | arestheimpaler | anyone knows when a horde3 package is going out? |
| 06:48.47 | Phated | It's resolv.conf, FFS. |
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| 06:49.04 | Phated | mightyflorist: You could start with putting in proper DNS servers in that list. |
| 06:49.04 | jstevens | goodshit: did you net-install this? |
| 06:49.12 | shingouz | Phated: now that you remind me, i have seen it too. it is just too obvious to remember |
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| 06:49.24 | Phated | shingouz: It was fairly recent for me. <shrug> |
| 06:49.28 | shingouz | mightyflorist: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:49.46 | Phated | jstevens: I'll bet you anything 1-cd netinst, and he didn't use anything but the base, so nothing needed to be downloaded. |
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| 06:50.11 | shingouz | hehe.. self help :) |
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| 06:50.39 | jstevens | phated: I guess... |
| 06:50.41 | mightyflorist | if this is something that needed to be done, why wouldn't netinst ask me to do it? |
| 06:51.09 | Phated | mightyflorist: It's not something that -needs- to be done. If you set up your network with DHCP, it should do it automaticall. |
| 06:51.16 | shingouz | mightyflorist: i have a weird idea it actually did when the network was configured |
| 06:51.18 | Phated | +y |
| 06:51.22 | shingouz | ah |
| 06:51.35 | mightyflorist | it is dhcp |
| 06:51.43 | mightyflorist | and yeah, it was done automatically |
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| 06:52.00 | goodshit | reinstall!!!! |
| 06:52.06 | goodshit | damit.. first time i got this rpoblems.. |
| 06:52.06 | mightyflorist | shingouz: well, this isn't a sarge installer anyway, apparently. :) |
| 06:52.21 | Phated | goodshit: For fuck's sake, if you want to, just fucking do it. |
| 06:52.26 | Ghostbuster | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:52.26 | Phated | shingouz: You can get it in woody too. |
| 06:52.55 | shingouz | Phated: scary! i will have to learn something new then! eeek |
| 06:53.09 | Phated | shingouz: Not really. |
| 06:53.22 | mightyflorist | shingouz: so.... my dns is screwed? even though I can ping stuff? |
| 06:53.27 | shingouz | but i like the older version, the one potato used to have :( |
| 06:53.39 | Ghostbuster | go there and download boot.iso sarge net installer |
| 06:53.39 | Phated | shingouz: At least, the woody netinst, which I'm told is frightfully unofficial at best, has it. |
| 06:53.49 | shingouz | mightyflorist: can you ping www.google.com or just ip's |
| 06:53.57 | Phated | mightyflorist: Can you use the net normally? |
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| 06:54.09 | shingouz | that is good to hear, i dislike automagical |
| 06:54.14 | Phated | mightyflorist: You might just, like, try changing your sources. |
| 06:54.36 | Phated | shingouz: It's hardly "automagical". It asks you if you want to configure the network with DHCP. You say either yes or no. |
| 06:54.39 | mightyflorist | phated; nothing I try works though. everything returns something about a fetching object |
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| 06:54.51 | shingouz | no in my case :) |
| 06:54.53 | mightyflorist | unless i change everything in sources.list to just ip addresses |
| 06:54.57 | Phated | mightyflorist: Be. More. Specific. |
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| 06:55.06 | shingouz | i'll go apt-get install tea automagically, brb |
| 06:55.12 | mightyflorist | "E: method (http/ftp) has died unexpectedly! E: tried to dequeue a fetching object E: tried to dequeue a fetching object" over and over. |
| 06:55.31 | Phated | You didn't try googling for the erro at any point of time, did you? |
| 06:55.38 | scarynetworkguy | Of course not. |
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| 06:56.38 | cat | is there any way that i can add the smtp to fetchmail |
| 06:56.40 | cat | i only have pop2 |
| 06:56.43 | cat | *pop3 |
| 06:57.07 | Phated | Whyw ould you need smtp in fetchmail? It's not as though you send mail with it. |
| 06:57.09 | mightyflorist | yep. and after the first 12 entries being "oh, you screwed your apt config, do this weird vi shit to your sources.list" (i'm going to assume I didn't screw mine up, because there was nothing on the hard drive 5 minutes before I started getting this error) I gave up and came in here. |
| 06:57.27 | cat | Phated: so i just can send email? |
| 06:57.36 | scarynetworkguy | cat: That's what your MTA is for. |
| 06:57.49 | Phated | cat: Yeah, what he said. |
| 06:57.57 | cat | how do u write on vim? |
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| 06:58.10 | Phated | You do not send email with something as obviously named as FETCHmail. |
| 06:58.17 | goodshit | hope it work this time... |
| 06:58.30 | cat | Phated: how do u send emails? |
| 06:58.31 | cat | on mutt? |
| 06:58.41 | Phated | I dunno, I usually configure postfix or exim correctly. |
| 06:59.14 | Phated | One wonders why you didn't, considering that mail-transport-agent is -required- on every Debian system, and usually provided by one of the above, or a slew of others. |
| 07:00.04 | cat | how can i configured the exim? |
| 07:00.18 | mightyflorist | phated: any ideas then? |
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| 07:00.23 | jm_ | it depends on the version of exim you installed |
| 07:00.39 | cat | exim4 |
| 07:00.47 | jm_ | apt-cache search config exim4 |
| 07:00.52 | Phated | mightyflorist: No idea. I haven't seen that error before. |
| 07:01.57 | mightyflorist | scarynetworkguy knows everything, so what's wrong here? |
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| 07:03.39 | scarynetworkguy | mightyflorist: Can you ping www.google.com |
| 07:03.59 | mightyflorist | yep |
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| 07:09.07 | sussudio | i see several spambots joining. |
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| 07:09.40 | sussudio | !ops Jasmine\17 + HuSeyiN spambots |
| 07:09.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Jasmine\17 + HuSeyiN spambots |
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| 07:10.11 | bob2 | bah |
| 07:10.22 | sussudio | seems the auto kline thing is out of order or something. |
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| 07:14.43 | shingouz | how the hell do you actually manage that self-opping here? are the ops ircops at the same time or do you have some weird and wonderful bot sitting somewhere? |
| 07:14.49 | LunarFault | !tell Lunarfaul about X11 |
| 07:14.55 | jstevens | looks like bob2 doesn't like bob2 very much |
| 07:15.02 | bob2 | ? |
| 07:15.14 | jstevens | de-oping yourself :-) |
| 07:15.15 | jm_ | shingouz: chanserv |
| 07:15.25 | bob2 | shingouz: a script called auto_bleh /msg's chanserv to get ops |
| 07:15.27 | bob2 | does whatever |
| 07:15.29 | bob2 | then deops |
| 07:15.38 | shingouz | auto_bleh? hehehe |
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| 07:15.46 | shingouz | i see. neat |
| 07:16.16 | shingouz | sorry. l337 ;) |
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| 07:16.35 | peterS | shingouz: anyway, #debian is registered with a bot called chanserv, and a particular group of people are listed in an access table with chanserv |
| 07:16.43 | peterS | shingouz: so if one of those people /msgs it, it ops them |
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| 07:17.11 | shingouz | peterS: i know about registered channels, i just havent seen an "opless" channel like this |
| 07:17.18 | jm_ | I wonder if it works more reliably than it works for me |
| 07:17.36 | peterS | shingouz: for details: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 07:17.38 | shingouz | i have seen ircops have override with the chanserv/ircd (depending on the network |
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| 07:17.55 | bob2 | ircops don't need to op to do things |
| 07:17.56 | shingouz | naaah... i'll let chanserv sleep |
| 07:18.03 | shingouz | bob2: true |
| 07:18.16 | bob2 | also, it's freenode policy that channels remain opless |
| 07:18.20 | bob2 | which most people apparently ignore |
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| 07:18.44 | fman | hey all |
| 07:19.02 | fman | I've downloaded the debian source package for lirc to /usr/src/ |
| 07:19.06 | shingouz | a good policy. i have noticed that ops in general and ircops in particular are considerd such gods that no-one even dares to speak with them |
| 07:19.11 | fman | and copied lirc into /usr/src/modules |
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| 07:19.26 | fman | how do I use kpkg to build a module for me? |
| 07:19.46 | shingouz | fman: make-kpkg modules_image |
| 07:19.53 | peterS | shingouz: the regulars here know when an op is speaking, generally. it's not really a secret who they are. however, you're right, having that @ flag *does* intimidate some people |
| 07:20.50 | shingouz | peterS: i know. i run a server on a pretty small network and when i oper up n00bs are usually very quiet, they think i bite or something |
| 07:21.02 | shingouz | if i am not opered up, they dare approach me |
| 07:21.28 | Ghostbuster | lol |
| 07:21.52 | shingouz | Ghostbuster: havent you noticed such thing? |
| 07:22.16 | peterS | it's funny how that works. clearly the ops can gain their powers at any time, so it's purely psychological whether they run around with @ flags or not. but I guess it works to make them seem more approachable if they don't have them. I find it odd |
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| 07:22.45 | shingouz | ummm... odd that regular users fear the ops? |
| 07:22.58 | shingouz | they are seen as gods or sometihng i think |
| 07:23.06 | peterS | odd that you'd fear someone with a @ more than you'd fear the same person, knowing he *could* have a @ but doesn't at the moment |
| 07:23.18 | shingouz | yup, *that* is odd |
| 07:23.45 | jstevens | and the odd thing is that the only reason to fear them is if you are doing something that would piss them off.... so just don't do that |
| 07:23.49 | ata | question: some deb-packages run scripts after installation. how can I see what scripts are run? |
| 07:23.56 | jstevens | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.57 | shingouz | jstevens: very true |
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| 07:24.32 | peterS | ata: look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst |
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| 07:24.45 | brenda | Is it just me or are a majority of freenoders boring? |
| 07:25.00 | shingouz | we are boring, we are geeks :) |
| 07:25.02 | jstevens | LOL |
| 07:25.08 | brenda | hehe... that's what I was thinking |
| 07:25.10 | peterS | brenda: boring is pretty subjective. it also depends on what channel you find them in and whether you find the channel topic interesting |
| 07:25.11 | el` | ok |
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| 07:25.36 | ata | peterS: great. just what I was looking for! |
| 07:25.53 | peterS | ata: you'll also notice *.prerm, *.postrm, *.preinst in there. you can probably figure out what those are for |
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| 07:26.23 | jstevens | of course, brenda has a point... 717 logins in this room, and what, 30ish talking? |
| 07:26.48 | brenda | I've been skipping from channel to channel trying to strike up any conversation |
| 07:26.50 | buu | peteeteteeres! |
| 07:26.56 | peterS | buuuuuuuuuuu |
| 07:26.58 | shingouz | they leech information i think... |
| 07:27.01 | ata | peterS: yes, saw that. Any way of seeing the same info _before_ installing? (thanks for the help, btw) |
| 07:27.04 | buu | peterS: Make ratpoison behave. |
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| 07:27.06 | Ghostbuster | yep |
| 07:27.15 | brenda | been getting scared that a nuclear bomb went off that I didn't know about |
| 07:27.22 | peterS | ata: if you have a .deb file, you can look inside it using various 'dpkg-deb' options |
| 07:27.32 | shingouz | what bomb? do i need spend less time on irc? |
| 07:27.39 | tarzeau | Assid: can you repaste the error? |
| 07:27.48 | jstevens | brenda: explains the #goddess |
| 07:27.51 | brenda | shingouz: you need to spend more time talking in it! |
| 07:27.55 | brenda | jstevens: exactly :( |
| 07:28.03 | peterS | ata: for example, dpkg-deb --control filename.deb |
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| 07:28.13 | shingouz | welllwelllwelll.. i have been talking til my fingers bleed tonight |
| 07:28.33 | brenda | shingouz: now that's hard core ircing there |
| 07:28.40 | shingouz | ....which youd know if you'd spend a bit more time hre brenda :) |
| 07:28.44 | brenda | but I think it'll take more than one night |
| 07:28.49 | Assid | kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) |
| 07:28.52 | Ghostbuster | my keys on kb is soft so it dont matter |
| 07:29.00 | Ghostbuster | lol |
| 07:29.00 | shingouz | finger bleed? uhh. yes |
| 07:29.08 | peterS | Assid: you ran out of memory. you lose. |
| 07:29.11 | brenda | I'd love to spend more time here |
| 07:29.13 | brenda | I love debian |
| 07:29.19 | Assid | yeah.. thought so.. |
| 07:29.23 | ata | debian loves you |
| 07:29.25 | brenda | just can't stand the standard debian apache2 config |
| 07:29.25 | shingouz | excelent, join the club |
| 07:29.30 | Assid | apparently one of my log files go haywire |
| 07:29.33 | Overand | gar. i forgot what i needed to ask in here, heh |
| 07:29.37 | Assid | coz of a bad scripting on one site |
| 07:29.45 | brenda | but I guess I'm not forced to use the debian apache stuff |
| 07:29.45 | jstevens | ... maybe that's why I like linux... always something to break/fix |
| 07:30.05 | shingouz | well... no. but you may break dpkg |
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| 07:31.37 | shingouz | hehe |
| 07:31.40 | brenda | oh... and the multifile debian exim config makes my head spin |
| 07:31.59 | shingouz | maybe you need to call an excorcist? |
| 07:32.18 | brenda | fractal love? |
| 07:32.19 | shingouz | oooo... this is getting sappy ;) |
| 07:32.23 | tarzeau | debian: haha |
| 07:32.24 | debian | shingouz: hahhaaha |
| 07:32.38 | debian | shingouz: good idea |
| 07:32.41 | brenda | a heart shaped mandelbrot |
| 07:33.06 | shingouz | i dont want tho think what the algorithm would look like |
| 07:33.11 | shingouz | EEEK |
| 07:33.32 | brenda | spiders chew on feet |
| 07:33.44 | shingouz | hmm... the newspaper is not good enough |
| 07:33.50 | shingouz | !lart debian |
| 07:33.53 | shingouz | :) |
| 07:34.19 | brenda | orgasms? |
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| 07:34.30 | bob2 | lovely |
| 07:34.36 | shingouz | hmm... does dpkg know how to excorcise people? |
| 07:34.38 | jm_ | luckily we have active ops |
| 07:34.45 | debian | brenda: come on.....if your boy orgasm like that he should see a doctor |
| 07:34.51 | toresbe | !exorsize shingouz |
| 07:34.54 | brenda | hahah |
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| 07:35.00 | toresbe | or however it be spelled |
| 07:35.00 | shingouz | we are getting bored here |
| 07:35.05 | toresbe | yes we are |
| 07:35.09 | toresbe | yes we are |
| 07:35.10 | mornfall|work | dum dum dum |
| 07:35.11 | jasz | anyone here knows how to use wmsetbg ??? i do wmsetbg -b white -e file.jpg and the jpg is placed fine.. but the background is turned black :( |
| 07:35.14 | simonrvn | exorcise |
| 07:35.16 | shingouz | lets play pong |
| 07:35.17 | mornfall|work | toresbe: i am everywhere ;-) |
| 07:35.21 | shingouz | |. |
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| 07:35.23 | bob2 | come on folks |
| 07:35.28 | toresbe | mornfall|work: no you're not :P |
| 07:35.37 | mornfall|work | toresbe: yes you just don't see me :-) |
| 07:35.47 | toresbe | mornfall|work: oh :( |
| 07:35.55 | brenda | people threatening to pull out the ops... those are the freenoders I was talking about earlier |
| 07:36.12 | mornfall|work | brenda: like who? op abuse on freenode isn't seen well |
| 07:36.12 | brenda | "Don't you dare color outside the lines!" |
| 07:36.15 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.21 | debian | shingouz: you wanna play pong in the middle of a small room of 729 people? |
| 07:36.25 | bob2 | brenda: no one has threatened to do that in at least the time I've been watching the channel |
| 07:36.26 | jm_ | you can safely fuck off to $chitchat or whatever other fucking channel you want |
| 07:36.33 | shingouz | it was getting boring here... |
| 07:36.38 | jm_ | #chitchat even |
| 07:36.42 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.44 | bob2 | come on, chill |
| 07:37.02 | brenda | <jm_> luckily we have active ops |
| 07:37.14 | bob2 | and jm_ has no say in that sort of thing |
| 07:37.19 | shingouz | seriously speaking, i have no idea how to run windowmaker, i have never tried it |
| 07:37.20 | bob2 | so if it was a threat, it's empty |
| 07:37.22 | Overand | wow. feel the love. |
| 07:37.23 | brenda | hehe |
| 07:37.29 | brenda | okie dokie meester |
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| 07:37.55 | mornfall|work | brenda: who do you think would give someone like jm_ ops to such a fragile place as #debian? |
| 07:37.57 | debian | brenda: while you threaten us with that horrible head spinning. |
| 07:38.02 | mornfall|work | probably a pyromaniac ;-) |
| 07:38.04 | bob2 | come on |
| 07:38.38 | brenda | debian: well if you got your crazy exim multifile config straight.. my head might be too |
| 07:38.39 | jm_ | yes, that's why we end up with trolls like this who whine about some useless crap in #debian, or the flood bots, but I'll bugger off and do some work instead |
| 07:39.01 | brenda | which begs teh question |
| 07:39.05 | brenda | who's the real troll? |
| 07:39.08 | debian | brenda: I know |
| 07:39.16 | bob2 | pretty much everyone active atm |
| 07:39.16 | debian | brenda: but they did it on purpose |
| 07:39.23 | brenda | bob2: :D |
| 07:39.37 | debian | brenda: look at the exim.org you can find a lot of customizable script that you can insert into those files |
| 07:39.44 | brenda | debian: I know... and it must be good for me... but my head |
| 07:39.44 | debian | brenda: most of them extremely useful |
| 07:39.47 | brenda | it spins! |
| 07:40.03 | bjb | Sigh. any channel. |
| 07:40.07 | debian | brenda: while the default setup is good enough for a robust MTA |
| 07:40.31 | debian | brenda: wear a cross should help stopping it |
| 07:40.49 | brenda | maybe I'll put that on my desktop background |
| 07:40.56 | brenda | and make my windwos transparent |
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| 07:41.18 | mornfall|work | and a translucent konsole on top of it |
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| 07:41.28 | brenda | exactamundo |
| 07:41.48 | toresbe | X sucks, use console :P |
| 07:41.49 | mornfall|work | as i think of it, i use X as a hires text terminal most of the time :-) |
| 07:42.14 | peterS | bjb: pick a different real name, maybe. it seems 'brenda' is a bit too common |
| 07:42.18 | brenda | openbox works well for that |
| 07:42.22 | debian | toresbe: yeah, real man use console. |
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| 07:42.47 | bjb | peterS, I just removed it from my "highlight" list. Thanks. |
| 07:43.17 | bjb | peterS, too bad I can't do that on a channel-by-channel basis (maybe I can but am not familiar enough with xchat) |
| 07:43.54 | bjb | Too busy trying to figure out how to make sshd listen only to named ip addresses... |
| 07:44.07 | bjb | Hmm, I'm looking in the wrong place... I should be looking in iptables for that :-) |
| 07:44.31 | jm_ | man sshd_config |
| 07:44.32 | Overand | bjb: stick it on a non-standard port too, for good measure |
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| 07:44.54 | bjb | Overand, you're not the first to say that... I guess I will. |
| 07:45.03 | Overand | I mean, it's entirely up to you, |
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| 07:47.26 | Solet | in my setup after going through that huge list and selecting what features i wanted out of a billion different packages how do i do one last sweep to check for dependancies/conflicts? |
| 07:47.49 | shingouz | Solet: the deps/conflicts have been taken care of already |
| 07:48.42 | Solet | ok so i just hit enter? |
| 07:48.56 | shingouz | if youre satisfied, hit enter |
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| 07:49.14 | shingouz | of course you can go back and remove or add packages later on |
| 07:49.48 | shingouz | now you just have to sit back and wait for the packages to d/l and install |
| 07:50.11 | shingouz | well.... you will have to answer a few questions once in a while |
| 07:50.26 | Solet | ok it is bitching about dependancies again |
| 07:50.38 | shingouz | ah... |
| 07:50.46 | shingouz | just go with the flow |
| 07:50.46 | Solet | it says that it recommends a file then says that the recomended file isnt available |
| 07:50.55 | shingouz | ouch |
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| 07:51.10 | shingouz | what package wants to have that file? |
| 07:51.25 | directhex | is this aptitude or dselect? |
| 07:51.37 | Solet | dselect |
| 07:51.57 | Solet | "libnet-perl recommends libnet-ph-perl" |
| 07:51.58 | directhex | erk. |
| 07:52.14 | fman | hmmm, got lirc module ready to compile |
| 07:52.16 | Solet | "libnet-ph-perl does not appear to be available" |
| 07:52.17 | fman | get the following error |
| 07:52.38 | shingouz | hmmm... i am not too sure if you need libnet-perl |
| 07:52.40 | directhex | dselect is icky |
| 07:52.41 | fman | Makefile:357: /usr/src/linux/Rules.make: No such file or directory |
| 07:52.42 | fman | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux/Rules.make'. Stop. |
| 07:52.43 | fman | hmmm |
| 07:52.53 | Solet | will the file it cant find download later if it ever finds it? |
| 07:53.08 | shingouz | directhex: dselect beats tasksel hands down |
| 07:53.13 | directhex | !info libnet-ph-perl woody |
| 07:53.15 | shingouz | yes, of course |
| 07:53.16 | dpkg | libnet-ph-perl: (Perl module for accessing ph servers), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 2.21-2 (woody), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 07:53.23 | Solet | it said i needed libnet-perl for one of my stego things |
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| 07:53.42 | Solet | i think it was one of the stego ones... |
| 07:53.44 | brenda | I always do a blank base-config and apt-get the things I need |
| 07:53.45 | Solet | i cant remember |
| 07:53.52 | shingouz | dont install everything and the kitchen sink at this time, you can always install more stuff later |
| 07:53.57 | directhex | shingouz, perhaps, but it was marked as unusable in old d-i betas, and now it's not even offered |
| 07:54.04 | Solet | i just went through a list of ten billion prgms... :P |
| 07:54.23 | brenda | the crazy woman's way |
| 07:54.26 | shingouz | hmm... and i dont like aptitude at all |
| 07:54.35 | shingouz | brenda: i do the same thing... |
| 07:54.38 | Solet | i only got about a quarter |
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| 07:54.58 | shingouz | how much disk do you have there then Solet? |
| 07:55.08 | brenda | shingouz: :o) |
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| 07:55.56 | Solet | about 4 gig |
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| 07:56.00 | brenda | eek |
| 07:56.21 | shingouz | Solet: if you selected that much i think you will run out of space |
| 07:56.40 | brenda | I'd get down and dirty and be picky about what you install |
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| 07:57.05 | Devil_Spi | ello |
| 07:57.09 | shingouz | Solet: fast computer or something below 300MHz? |
| 07:57.30 | Solet | the site said that at max 2.5 gig |
| 07:57.36 | Solet | its 200mhz |
| 07:57.37 | Devil_Spi | hello |
| 07:57.47 | Solet | i'll get rid of shit later if i have problems |
| 07:57.58 | karsten | Solet: I'm coming into this late, but at 4 GB I'd do minimal partitioning (root FS, swap, /usr with /tmp, /var, and /home symlinked to it). ~150 MB to /, RAM - RAMx2 to swap, balance to /usr. |
| 07:58.02 | shingouz | solet, if you picked somethign like gnome or kde the thing will be sssllllooowwww |
| 07:58.05 | bob2 | Gokee2: turn that off please |
| 07:58.09 | karsten | Solet: ....and a relatively lean installation. |
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| 07:58.20 | Solet | i didnt get gnome or kde |
| 07:58.24 | shingouz | good |
| 07:58.31 | karsten | Solet: WindowMaker, Fluxbox, or IceWM for window managers. Maybe XFCE4. |
| 07:58.32 | Gokee2 | bob2 Don`t you like it? |
| 07:58.48 | bob2 | Gokee2: oh god |
| 07:58.55 | cafuego | karsten: I wouldn't bother with anything but / and swap. |
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| 07:59.04 | Gokee2 | GAAAAAAA |
| 07:59.06 | Gokee2 | I HATE THAT MSG |
| 07:59.11 | shingouz | bob, i guess he is pulling your leg |
| 07:59.16 | cafuego | Gokee2: Real smart doing that to an op. |
| 07:59.25 | bob2 | blah |
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| 07:59.29 | karsten | Solet: ...and you don't have to install everything now. Install a minimal set of apps. It's easy to add more later. |
| 07:59.30 | bob2 | fix your damn IRC client |
| 07:59.35 | cafuego | bob2: make him eat sussudio |
| 07:59.40 | Gokee2 | GAAAA |
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| 07:59.44 | Gokee2 | How the hell do you mark away in xchat without saying a damn msg? |
| 07:59.52 | clucking | Leia had been awoken by a pair of Stormtroopers opening the celldoor and |
| 07:59.54 | clucking | pulling her to her feet from her cot. Looking down at herself she was |
| 07:59.55 | cafuego | Gokee2: Just don't mask away. it's NOT hard. |
| 07:59.56 | clucking | thankful she had been able to dress after the torture droid had kept her on |
| 07:59.58 | clucking | the brink of orgasm for several hours before they disconnected it. She had |
| 07:59.58 | karsten | cafuego: That too. I prefer isolating / for boot. Judgement call. |
| 08:00.01 | clucking | to use all of her self control not to throw herself on the droid operator |
| 08:00.01 | shingouz | gokee, you dont need to mark away |
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| 08:00.03 | clucking | when he came to collect it, however as soon as he had left the room she |
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| 08:00.03 | streuner___ | !ops SoS> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 08:00.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SoS> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 08:00.09 | Solet | whats the "configure locales" screen? |
| 08:00.10 | bob2 | idiot |
| 08:00.10 | cafuego | !monday |
| 08:00.10 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 08:00.18 | brenda | uh whoa |
| 08:00.22 | streuner___ | moron |
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| 08:00.33 | karsten | bob2: And I was just starting to get into the story.... |
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| 08:00.33 | sussudio | streuner___: umm don't paste the fucking spam url into the channel |
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| 08:00.37 | brenda | me too |
| 08:00.38 | brenda | lol |
| 08:00.40 | cafuego | it's just all happening. |
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| 08:01.03 | nextp | hi all |
| 08:01.05 | jerome | morning all, anyone who have some hwclock problem with 2.6.10 kernels ? It used to work fine on my thinkpad laptops, but now going into suspend-to-ram state makes the clock to hang to "some hours after going to suspend" |
| 08:01.15 | nextp | help with policy based routing |
| 08:01.19 | Solet | whats the "configure locales" screen? |
| 08:01.22 | bob2 | nextp: #lartc on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:01.31 | bob2 | jerome: are you saving the time to the RTC when you go to sleep? |
| 08:01.46 | karsten | Solet: dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
| 08:01.55 | shingouz | Solet: that is where you pick the language |
| 08:01.59 | karsten | Solet: ...it's the screen you see then. Asks you what languages / localizations you want. |
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| 08:02.17 | karsten | shingouz: Also localization. Eg: en-US, en-UK, en-CA.... |
| 08:02.24 | shingouz | that too... |
| 08:02.34 | cafuego | en_AU.UTF-8 |
| 08:02.36 | Solet | ok i see about a million EN's |
| 08:02.50 | Solet | i see 2 en_US's |
| 08:02.52 | cafuego | Gokee2: please /leave #debian if you're going to ass around with your irc client. |
| 08:03.01 | shingouz | Solet: where are you or what is your preference |
| 08:03.02 | karsten | shingouz: ...or cn-TW. |
| 08:03.04 | cafuego | Solet: Yes. pick the UTF-8 one. |
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| 08:03.17 | bob2 | Gokee2: enough |
| 08:03.26 | shingouz | karsten: is that canadian-taiwanese? :p |
| 08:03.27 | brenda | cafuego: 'ass around' |
| 08:03.28 | bob2 | if you want to fuck with your client, leave and come back when it's fixed |
| 08:03.29 | brenda | cute! |
| 08:03.32 | Gokee2 | cafuego, Hmm I could do that..... |
| 08:03.35 | Solet | i'm in the us |
| 08:03.44 | shingouz | en_us then i think |
| 08:03.45 | cafuego | Gokee2: I suggest that you'll be manually removed if you don't. |
| 08:03.49 | Solet | do i want the utf-8 or the iso-8859-1 |
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| 08:03.56 | shingouz | i'd go for the utf |
| 08:04.00 | karsten | shingouz: Chinese. |
| 08:04.01 | badblody | anyone can help me translating 1 thing into english? is for a devel list |
| 08:04.06 | shingouz | :) |
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| 08:04.11 | cafuego | Solet: The UTF8 can display many more characters. |
| 08:04.12 | karsten | badblody: Shoot. |
| 08:04.17 | Solet | ok |
| 08:04.19 | jerome | bob2: I was not used to "hwclock --systohc" and the reverse before, but I guess I need to, now |
| 08:04.20 | karsten | cafuego: ...randomly.... |
| 08:04.23 | badblody | spanish english |
| 08:04.31 | cafuego | spanglish? |
| 08:04.35 | karsten | badblody: Google Language tools. |
| 08:04.36 | bob2 | jerome: it is odd that it changed |
| 08:04.36 | shingouz | i'll pass on the spanglish then |
| 08:04.53 | bob2 | jerome: iirc my ibook needed it to not fuck the time up on resume |
| 08:05.02 | jerome | bob2: yep, dunno why, I switched to 2.6.10 because it includes ibm acpi extension :) |
| 08:05.12 | bob2 | jerome: oh, cool |
| 08:05.14 | karsten | cafuego: Around here, we call it SouthCentralish, but yeah. |
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| 08:05.23 | bob2 | jerome: well, I guess I only have volume buttons and "access ibm" anyway |
| 08:05.28 | shingouz | jerome: which thinkpad if i may ask? |
| 08:05.32 | badblody | karsten, link of google language tools please |
| 08:05.34 | jerome | R40's |
| 08:05.44 | badblody | nothing |
| 08:05.49 | shingouz | ah.. my newest is jsut a tp600 |
| 08:05.51 | fman | guys, why would I be missing Rules.make in /usr/src/linux |
| 08:05.54 | jerome | bob2: well, the ultrabay thingy events, etc |
| 08:06.04 | fman | with linux a static link to kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 08:06.07 | jerome | shingouz: old school dude :) |
| 08:06.08 | fman | as downloaded from Debian |
| 08:06.09 | bob2 | jerome: hm, does the ultrabay work under linux? |
| 08:06.10 | fman | hmmm |
| 08:06.12 | el` | data? |
| 08:06.14 | jerome | bob2: yep |
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| 08:06.21 | karsten | badblody: http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en |
| 08:06.23 | Gokee2 | Gaa it won`t fix |
| 08:06.24 | jerome | bob2: check ibm-acpi.sf.net page |
| 08:06.26 | shingouz | jerome: i also have an L40sx here :) |
| 08:06.26 | Gokee2 | O well |
| 08:06.28 | bob2 | jerome: you can dock/undock without rebooting? |
| 08:06.29 | Gokee2 | Night all |
| 08:06.33 | jerome | bob2: yep |
| 08:06.43 | jerome | bob2: there might be some ide bus reset problems |
| 08:06.48 | bob2 | hm, nice |
| 08:06.49 | jerome | bob2: depending on the model |
| 08:06.53 | bob2 | Gokee2: 'night, thanks |
| 08:06.55 | bob2 | jerome: x40. |
| 08:07.01 | jerome | bob2: the ibm-acpi page has a nice table for that |
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| 08:07.11 | bob2 | getting the bay would be neat so I don't have to go without a cdrom drive for a month everytime I go away |
| 08:07.22 | lalalalla | i have a proxy server, and i need to share internet with other proxy server |
| 08:07.29 | Solet | what is a "CVS pserver" and do i want it enabled? |
| 08:07.32 | lalalalla | with the same dns and other static IP |
| 08:07.39 | lalalalla | all configurations are okay, but the new proxy server can't browse website's! |
| 08:07.43 | shingouz | Solet: unless you code, no |
| 08:07.46 | jm_ | Solet: you don't need anything that you have no idea about |
| 08:07.49 | bob2 | shingouz: not if you don't know what it is |
| 08:08.02 | cafuego | Solet: No, you don't want it. |
| 08:08.02 | brenda | subversion is better anyway |
| 08:08.09 | shingouz | hey! i know what the cvs is |
| 08:08.10 | bob2 | baaaaaaaaazaar. |
| 08:08.19 | bob2 | shingouz: you don't want a pserver. |
| 08:08.25 | bob2 | use ssh if you want to commit remotely. |
| 08:08.29 | jerome | bob2: I have an ultrabay disk as a backup disk, I don't change it very often ... however ibm-acpi is supposed to improve docking support too, and some little other events ... |
| 08:08.31 | cafuego | Solet: You probably don't even want CVS. Maybe make a note of it and delete it later. |
| 08:08.44 | Nemesis__ | shingouz: you want to use subversion, its 10 times better than "baz" or "arch" |
| 08:08.44 | shingouz | i know that bob :) |
| 08:08.45 | Solet | umm... i code in php, html and shit like that.... and i plan on learning c__ |
| 08:08.47 | bob2 | jerome: hm, yummy, I should have another look...thanks! |
| 08:08.48 | Solet | er c++ |
| 08:09.01 | jerome | bob2: whow, x40 is fully supported |
| 08:09.07 | jerome | according to the table |
| 08:09.10 | shingouz | you dont need it quite yet solet |
| 08:09.10 | cafuego | Solet: cvs is a revision management system. Do you see yourself needing it? |
| 08:09.20 | shingouz | besides you can install it later |
| 08:09.26 | cafuego | Solet: multi-user networked revision management syste,/ |
| 08:09.28 | Solet | k |
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| 08:09.47 | bob2 | Solet: you still don't want pserver |
| 08:09.53 | bob2 | Solet: you can use cvs without it |
| 08:10.14 | cafuego | That reminds me, I think I can trash 'cvsd'. |
| 08:10.43 | brenda | trash everything cvs related |
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| 08:10.46 | jan_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 08:10.46 | jan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.49 | brenda | then use subversion |
| 08:10.51 | jan_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:12.03 | cafuego | no, thanks. |
| 08:12.04 | Solet | for my domain name for configuring my ethernet... do i use the ip to my router? |
| 08:12.44 | peterS | brenda: upgrading a repository from cvs to svn is not *hard*, but it does take time to do it and check that it worked properly. that time is wasted if the repository is simple enough for cvs to work well |
| 08:13.02 | shingouz | Solet: you behind a router? |
| 08:13.08 | Solet | yes |
| 08:13.11 | brenda | peterS: agreed |
| 08:13.12 | shingouz | umm... nat that is |
| 08:13.19 | Solet | ? |
| 08:13.32 | peterS | brenda: that said, I do keep all my own stuff on svn |
| 08:13.32 | cafuego | peterS: Indeed. I'm the only one committing to mine, so really, it doesn't matter. |
| 08:13.35 | simonrvn | @nat |
| 08:13.50 | cafuego | peterS: Oh, the geoip is working nicely, btw :-) |
| 08:13.57 | shingouz | like do your computers have addresses like 192.168, 10.0.0.. 172.. or are they public ip's? |
| 08:14.02 | peterS | cafuego: hehe. nice. |
| 08:14.12 | ravenbird | from memory, nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more fexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs' |
| 08:14.17 | brenda | peterS: I switched all my project over a while ago... and am loving it. |
| 08:14.19 | Solet | they all have the 192.168.0.xxx |
| 08:14.28 | bob2 | NAT is the general form of ipmasq |
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| 08:14.45 | shingouz | Solet: in that case you can pick pretty much anything you like. domt make it anytghin real in anycase |
| 08:14.53 | peterS | brenda: and now bazaar is threatening to become friendly enough to replace svn. dangit, I'm gonna have to learn baz well enough now to make an intelligent decision about *that*. |
| 08:14.58 | shingouz | not like fbi.gov or such |
| 08:15.04 | Solet | ROFL |
| 08:15.24 | shingouz | kinda like the workgroup in doze you know |
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| 08:15.39 | Solet | aha |
| 08:15.40 | brenda | peterS: ugh... I haven't even seen bazaar. What does it do better? |
| 08:15.50 | cafuego | Solet: if it ends in .home it won't interfere with any real domains. |
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| 08:16.12 | shingouz | hmm... never thought of that as a matter of fact |
| 08:16.15 | peterS | brenda: it's a fork of tla, aka arch. it's like tla but a lot of the command line interface was improved to make it less cumbersome |
| 08:16.27 | brenda | peterS: a name from that Cathedral and the Bazaar book? |
| 08:16.30 | JGHG | okay hello |
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| 08:16.42 | peterS | brenda: you'll have to ask bob2 here where the name came from. he's on the baz team |
| 08:16.42 | rdancer | how to start X in the background, without it switching to the console it's run on -- i.e. now i do startx& --> Ctrl-Alt-F2 --> continue work; i want to omit the console switching step |
| 08:16.50 | JGHG | looks like I need debian and I wonder: do I really need the full 9 discs? |
| 08:17.17 | shingouz | !tell JGHG about d-i |
| 08:17.28 | Solet | ok i hit yes to detect my ethrenet card... and its not looking at the usb port evidently cause it cant find the usb wifi card |
| 08:17.36 | rdancer | JGHG: it's 18 discs, btw... |
| 08:17.36 | brenda | peterS: Where's the project page at? |
| 08:17.36 | bob2 | brenda: bazaar ala "cathedral and the bazaar" ie helping people work in loosely connected distributed environments |
| 08:17.49 | peterS | brenda: anyway, the arch paradigm has advantages over the cvs/svn one. I don't think these advantages are very important for me, but I also don't want to just ignore something that might be better than what I already use |
| 08:17.56 | shingouz | jhgh: meaning that if you have a fast connection you can install evertying from the net |
| 08:18.05 | brenda | bob2: ahh gotcha |
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| 08:18.50 | shingouz | JGHG: meaning that if you have a fast connection you can install evertying from the net |
| 08:19.03 | Solet | shingouz: debian configuration's ethernet networking configuration wont talk to the usb port.... how can i make it find my usb wi-fi? |
| 08:19.06 | peterS | brenda: baz is http://bazaar.canonical.com/ but see also http://wiki.gnuarch.org/ |
| 08:19.26 | shingouz | solet, is that the only way you can connect to the internet then? |
| 08:19.35 | brenda | it's not in testing yet, eh? |
| 08:19.43 | peterS | since baz is based on tla which is the current name for what was originally called arch |
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| 08:19.55 | JGHG | hmm ok |
| 08:20.06 | Solet | i have 1 pci wifi card but its in use |
| 08:20.06 | JGHG | I really just need a compile bed |
| 08:20.10 | ZyX | how can i "apt-get -s remove ..." show me which files will exactly be removed? |
| 08:20.13 | JGHG | for gcc 2.95 |
| 08:20.15 | bob2 | baz only just got uploaded |
| 08:20.19 | Solet | and i dont think shutting down in the middle of config would be healthy anyway |
| 08:20.19 | bob2 | wait a few days |
| 08:20.26 | shingouz | JGHG: install debian :) |
| 08:20.41 | JGHG | yeah :-) |
| 08:20.46 | peterS | brenda: baz is not even in unstable yet - as bob2 says, it's on its way - meanwhile it can be downloaded from bazaar.canonical.com in .deb format |
| 08:21.03 | shingouz | Solet: the computer you are installing on is not connected with a wire then i guess |
| 08:21.13 | Solet | JGHG: if you are gonna install debian go get 2 4packs of bawls soda, a bag of chips and a gram of coke... you'll need it |
| 08:21.26 | brenda | peterS: apt-get makes me too lazy |
| 08:21.44 | Solet | shingouz: no wires in this house, unless i drill holes its about 450 feet to the router |
| 08:21.47 | peterS | brenda: heh. if you want something in testing, try 'tla'. it's the same concept as baz, the command line interface is just somewhat clunkier |
| 08:21.52 | shingouz | Solet: eeek |
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| 08:22.18 | noid2 | good morning |
| 08:22.34 | shingouz | ok, in that case someone with more experience with the netinstall help solet a bit with the usb wlan so he can install the system? |
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| 08:23.30 | peterS | bob2: in regards to baz being a 'fork' - someone (was it you? or someone else?) upbraided me a few days ago for describing it that way. but is it similar to the emacs / xemacs situation, with two lines of development but occasional merging going on back and forth? or is baz a branch of tla intended to be merged entirely back in? |
| 08:23.56 | bob2 | peterS: it was the latter, but tom has changed his mind it seems |
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| 08:24.07 | peterS | oh, bleh |
| 08:24.10 | bob2 | so they're fairly independant branches now |
| 08:24.16 | peterS | so a bit like emacs/xemacs |
| 08:24.18 | bob2 | with some merging going on, mostly baz -> tla |
| 08:24.20 | bob2 | yeah |
| 08:24.24 | peterS | *nod*. thanks |
| 08:24.34 | peterS | I'll continue to call it a fork, then, since that's what I call xemacs |
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| 08:25.21 | shingouz | Solet: go to the console and do "lsmod", see if you have usb enabled there (uhci or ohci) |
| 08:25.34 | rdancer | which fonts should i install to get central-european (latin2/iso-8859-2) characters (e.g. LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R WITH CARON) in firefox? |
| 08:25.52 | rdancer | currently, i have those kinky charcode boxen |
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| 08:26.02 | brenda | a fork would go nicely in a waffle right now |
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| 08:26.27 | shingouz | brenda: and a t-bone and some hash browns? |
| 08:26.45 | brenda | yum! |
| 08:27.00 | brenda | thought I can only eat one of each in a sitting |
| 08:27.03 | brenda | though |
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| 08:27.32 | shingouz | hehe, i dont have that problem. 6'8 and about 250# |
| 08:27.32 | rdancer | hello... |
| 08:27.49 | sussudio | !seen badgers |
| 08:27.50 | dpkg | badgers <Ferret@sussudio.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 19h 40m 1s ago, saying: 'thanks, stew. It's good to be back.'. |
| 08:27.50 | brenda | hehe |
| 08:27.52 | buu | I don't suppose anyone has gotten civ3 running under cedega |
| 08:28.07 | brenda | I'm 5'9 and 90 something |
| 08:28.31 | shingouz | uh. i hope those are in kilos |
| 08:28.44 | brenda | lbs |
| 08:28.49 | buu | heh |
| 08:28.50 | buu | You wish |
| 08:28.58 | shingouz | 5'9 and 90#? geee.. |
| 08:29.06 | buu | If that was true, you'd be dead |
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| 08:29.13 | streuner | What's lbs in kilos? |
| 08:29.17 | buu | 2.2 |
| 08:29.18 | peterS | streuner: divide by 2.2 |
| 08:29.21 | brenda | You'd think huh? |
| 08:29.24 | brenda | but I'm not |
| 08:29.28 | shingouz | 1lb =.454k |
| 08:29.29 | peterS | !90/2.2 |
| 08:29.29 | dpkg | 40.909090909091 |
| 08:29.32 | peterS | 41 kG |
| 08:29.34 | peterS | errr, kg |
| 08:29.39 | buu | brenda: Your scale is wrong |
| 08:29.44 | shingouz | has to be |
| 08:30.00 | shingouz | mrs shingouz is 5'2 and 100-105 |
| 08:30.06 | streuner | uhm, you are (almost) dead with that weight |
| 08:30.27 | peterS | hmm, 90something really means 90 <= brenda <= 100 |
| 08:30.31 | peterS | so, up to 45 kg |
| 08:30.45 | streuner | for 1,80 meter |
| 08:30.51 | shingouz | and 5'9.... geeee.. skin and bones |
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| 08:31.09 | Solet | lol i'm going to be reinstalling this in the near future... i'm sure.... i let it use default settings for 3/4 of the config just now... gotta love sittin on the enter key :S |
| 08:31.17 | brenda | Yeah... I am pretty skinny... probably not a healthy weight |
| 08:31.21 | buu | peterS: Waah, debian is sux0ring = |
| 08:31.22 | brenda | but I've always been this way |
| 08:31.35 | buu | brenda: Dude, I'm 5,9 and very skinny, and I weight like 140 |
| 08:31.48 | buu | No way you are 90 |
| 08:31.48 | jerome | decimal please, decimal |
| 08:31.54 | peterS | buu: you don't have to use ratpoison |
| 08:32.03 | buu | peterS: It's not ratpoison =[ |
| 08:32.21 | shingouz | welll... a friend of mine is 6'5 and weighs about 100 pounds less than i do. he is just a glorified spaghetti |
| 08:32.28 | jan_ | my syslog-ng gives constant 'errors'; syslog-ng[17265]: Objects alive: 250, garbage collected: 115 syslog-ng[17265]: Garbage collecting while idle... i've tried to change the gc_idle/busy_threshold , but that didn't help either |
| 08:32.30 | peterS | shingouz: indeed (: |
| 08:33.02 | peterS | shingouz: unless you're either terribly tall or terribly overweight, 'glorified spaghetti' seems likely |
| 08:33.03 | shingouz | a walking talking spaghetti carrying this huge 35 pound bag of cameras around all day |
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| 08:33.31 | shingouz | i am not tall. just 6'8 |
| 08:33.38 | Solet | pffft |
| 08:33.39 | brenda | well... I wouldnt consider myselft attractive because of it |
| 08:33.41 | shingouz | not even seven feet mind you :) |
| 08:33.48 | brenda | but my whole family is pretty much skinny |
| 08:33.49 | Solet | 6'8? thats fuckin huge dude |
| 08:34.03 | shingouz | still under seven :( |
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| 08:35.34 | shingouz | Solet: what did lsmod say? did oyu have the usb there? |
| 08:35.47 | Solet | lsmod? |
| 08:36.13 | shingouz | in the terminal do "lsmod" and look for ohci or uhci |
| 08:36.39 | Solet | its still unpacking shit.... |
| 08:37.09 | shingouz | umm... if it is unpacking shit, where did the shit come from if the network is not operable yet? |
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| 08:37.27 | Solet | i honestly have no clue |
| 08:37.37 | Solet | evidently just the cd i have |
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| 08:37.40 | shingouz | how many cd's you have there? |
| 08:37.43 | shingouz | ah |
| 08:37.47 | Solet | 1 |
| 08:37.53 | Solet | just the 1 cd you can download |
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| 08:38.00 | BullWeivelz | i am trying to boot off the floppies and do a floppy install...which i have done a million times before. I get the rescue disk screen... press enter and it comes up and says "Boot Failed: Please change the disk and press any key to continue" Its an immediate thing so its not like it got to do much before it says this. Whats weird is that it boots up to the rescue disk screen and everything...just wont load that disk and then ask for the root disk. |
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| 08:38.29 | shingouz | i was kinda wondering where you got all the packages. you cannot select more than you have access to so you can do the install without the usb at this point |
| 08:38.51 | shingouz | after the install is done, lets slap the usb and wlan and whatnot up |
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| 08:39.21 | Solet | eh... mayby debian had a micro$oft moment and is talking to my wifi but doesnt realize it..... |
| 08:39.40 | shingouz | prolly not |
| 08:39.55 | Solet | yeah... mostlikely not... |
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| 08:40.10 | shingouz | Solet: if debian would have had a microsoft moment you would smell smoke now... |
| 08:40.10 | Solet | accually i can verify that it isnt... |
| 08:40.19 | Solet | rofl |
| 08:40.31 | Solet | the usb card is ice cold... it gets hot when used :P |
| 08:40.36 | shingouz | or at least have a neat blue background |
| 08:40.47 | Solet | pfffft |
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| 08:41.03 | tuxy17 | hi. I installed debian, then i installed FREEBSD and changed the Type of /dev/hda2 from ext2 to 163 (freeBsd slice). Then each time i boot from debian, it says i have to correct the FileSystem because /dev/hda2 is NOT ext2 anymore. How to tell debian that this partition (/dev/hda2) is NOW freebsd slice ? |
| 08:41.05 | shingouz | ok. once the stuff is installed we'll install the usb |
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| 08:41.28 | cat | tuxy17: by mounting it |
| 08:41.30 | peterS | tuxy17: sounds ike a /etc/fstab thing |
| 08:41.31 | el` | tuxy17: yuh |
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| 08:41.42 | Jacobo221 | hi, I'm trying in mplayer the -vo drivers and there are four which seem to work well for me: sdl, gl, gl2 and xv. which of this four should I use? (this is, which one do you recommedn me to use?) |
| 08:41.48 | peterS | tuxy17: try 'cat /proc/partitions' to see what the kernel actually detected in terms of partitions and disklabels |
| 08:41.51 | tuxy17 | peterS: you think it's only related to fstab ? |
| 08:41.53 | Solet | hehe it just unpacked "eject" :P |
| 08:42.07 | peterS | tuxy17: I bet you still have a reference to hda2 in /etc/fstab, yeah |
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| 08:42.35 | jm_ | Jacobo221: use default |
| 08:42.52 | tuxy17 | peterS: exactly. But i thought that fsck has its own config file. Thanks for this info, i try now to change the fstab |
| 08:43.05 | Jacobo221 | jm_: default is x11, and with x11 I can't fullscreen or resize :( |
| 08:43.16 | jm_ | Jacobo221: it is? then use vo, it's the best choice |
| 08:43.24 | jm_ | Jacobo221: sorry, I meant xv |
| 08:43.35 | tuxy17 | in /proc/partitions, i have the right partitions that are seen by the kernel. np herer |
| 08:43.37 | Jacobo221 | jm_: heh, oki, thanks :) |
| 08:43.40 | tuxy17 | here |
| 08:43.40 | peterS | tuxy17: nah, 'fsck -a' just reads fstab |
| 08:43.45 | nnk | Jacobo221: try -zoom option |
| 08:43.51 | tuxy17 | peterS: perfect :) |
| 08:43.56 | Solet | ack wtf... its unpacking gnome shit... i'm sure i told it not to |
| 08:44.25 | jm_ | hah neat, Marilalt's mplayer package supports caca output plugin |
| 08:45.07 | nnk | jm_: yes, and aa |
| 08:45.46 | jm_ | nnk: yes, I knew about aa, but caca is slightly more useful |
| 08:45.54 | Jacobo221 | nnk: ah, ye, -zoom does the trick. so is it less cpu eater to use x11+zoom than vx ? |
| 08:46.09 | Jacobo221 | nnk: sorry, i mean "than xv" ;) |
| 08:46.21 | jm_ | Jacobo221: no, xv is the best choice for that |
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| 08:46.48 | nnk | Jacobo221: -zoom is generally cpu eater, if you have a slow cpu, use xrandr (or smth else you like) to change the size of the display |
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| 08:47.06 | Jacobo221 | nnk, jm_: oki, thanks both! :) |
| 08:47.08 | nnk | i.e. shrink it as close as possible to the actual size of the movie |
| 08:47.20 | ata | hmmmm... how do I find out which process has bound itself to a udp/tcp port? |
| 08:47.38 | Skaag | when I make a kernek with kernel-package is it smart to stick the current date in iso format in the revision field? |
| 08:47.38 | nnk | ata: netstat +options |
| 08:47.45 | Skaag | kernel... |
| 08:48.51 | ata | ah... netstat -anp |
| 08:48.54 | ata | thanks nnk |
| 08:48.59 | ata | I was missing the p |
| 08:49.16 | jm_ | -pants is a nice option and easy to remember ;) |
| 08:49.31 | Skaag | hehe |
| 08:49.54 | ata | hmmm... weird error message using -pants: error parsing /proc/net/snmp: Success |
| 08:51.26 | Solet | argh wtf kde is unpacking too... i swear i told it to get rid of gnome and kde |
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| 08:54.34 | cat | !mpeg |
| 08:54.34 | dpkg | somebody said mpeg was (Moving Pictures Expert Group) This is a format for compressing video in a format similar to JPEG. It works. or some formats to compress sounds and motion pictures, or playable with gtv or mplayer, or only similar to jpeg in the same sense that cheese is similar to pesco sauce |
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| 08:58.05 | RolandU | hi all! I have a problem with my lpd/cupsd....... I had some error yesterday and today when I booted my machine it started printing it's version number and it won't print anything else..... |
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| 08:58.54 | Ghostbuster | what printer RolandU? |
| 08:59.20 | RolandU | Ghostbuster, hp816c...... it always worked normal until now |
| 09:00.03 | Ghostbuster | hmm dont you just hate that when that happens |
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| 09:00.21 | RolandU | The moment lpd starts, it starts printing the version..... after that it is somehow blocked and when I turn it off and on again, it starts printing the version again... |
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| 09:01.02 | Ghostbuster | have uninstalled the printer and reinstall it |
| 09:01.25 | berenguer | hi friends |
| 09:01.42 | berenguer | alguien tiene por ahi una aplicacion en corba |
| 09:02.48 | R1ck | speak english |
| 09:02.52 | shingouz | !es |
| 09:02.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 09:04.36 | RolandU | Ghostbuster, even the uninstalled printer prints that stuff |
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| 09:05.36 | Ghostbuster | thats not good |
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| 09:08.08 | Ghostbuster | all the cables plug in? |
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| 09:08.21 | RolandU | sure |
| 09:08.28 | Solet | shingouz: i should prolly head to bed... will my machine get pissed off if i am not here to answer the occasional setup question? |
| 09:08.44 | brenda | it'll be fine |
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| 09:09.05 | brenda | it will calmly sit you at the next dialog |
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| 09:09.55 | Solet | ok... cool... i'm just so used to micro$oft... with winXP setup you dont dare blink for fear that it will start doing retarded shit to your machine |
| 09:10.06 | brenda | lol |
| 09:10.10 | brenda | no retarted shit here |
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| 09:10.23 | JoshTriplett | Heh; someone actually finding the Debian installer *better* than others... :) |
| 09:10.38 | JoshTriplett | Glad to hear it. |
| 09:11.06 | RolandU | Ghostbuster, I will boot to windows and try printing there, if it doesn't work there, it's not cups' fault |
| 09:11.12 | Solet | xp setup: "oh they havent moved the mouse in 8 seconds, lets start shuffling sectors around on the secondary hdd |
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| 09:11.26 | Ghostbuster | true |
| 09:11.46 | Solet | wtf my debian setup is "pondering" |
| 09:11.52 | Solet | thats adorable |
| 09:12.00 | brenda | hehe |
| 09:12.08 | brenda | pondering it's navel |
| 09:12.37 | Solet | the install's navel.... would that be the hole in the middle of the cd? |
| 09:12.49 | Solet | oh crap... now i'm pondering its navel :P |
| 09:12.57 | brenda | exactly! |
| 09:12.57 | JoshTriplett | Nah, the navel would be when it's running lint(ian). :) |
| 09:13.10 | brenda | navel lint |
| 09:13.29 | Solet | rofl |
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| 09:13.58 | brenda | ahh... |
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| 09:14.05 | Solet | roflmao |
| 09:14.05 | brenda | the joys of navel pondering |
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| 09:14.12 | Solet | pi |
| 09:14.18 | Solet | Thu Feb 17 03:14:35 2005 |
| 09:14.24 | Solet | damn too slow |
| 09:14.25 | brenda | one of my favorites is |
| 09:14.31 | brenda | Does God have a navel? |
| 09:14.47 | Solet | brenda: only if (s)he wants to |
| 09:15.08 | brenda | and adam? |
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| 09:15.27 | Solet | i'd imagine not |
| 09:15.34 | Solet | ofcourse i'm an evolutionist |
| 09:15.43 | brenda | ok |
| 09:15.50 | brenda | so when did the navel start? |
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| 09:16.26 | Solet | about the time the first creature gave live birth |
| 09:16.29 | Solet | wait... |
| 09:16.36 | Popeye3 | rafael spam bot |
| 09:16.46 | Solet | the first primate like mammal |
| 09:17.09 | peterS | JoshTriplett: set the environment variable LINTIAN_LAB=/tmp/navel if you wish |
| 09:17.18 | Solet | grrr... brenda... its too late/early to think this hard... |
| 09:17.20 | jethro | moin moin |
| 09:17.28 | brenda | but the birthing process didn't just spawn into existance |
| 09:17.33 | brenda | Solet: hehe yeah |
| 09:17.40 | Popeye3 | im running 2.6.8.1 kernel, i can find the changelog for 2.6.9->10, is there any vulnerabilities in 2.6.8.1 ->10? that is worth upgrading for ? |
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| 09:18.01 | Solet | i want to find a program called the fallen... |
| 09:18.08 | brenda | Solet: you should sleep |
| 09:18.12 | brenda | as should I |
| 09:18.13 | Solet | so i can see my machine say "Setting up thefallen" |
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| 09:19.22 | brenda | oyasuminasai |
| 09:19.55 | Popeye3 | could anyone tell me a decent command line cpu usage tool, that they have used |
| 09:20.20 | Ghostbuster | top |
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| 09:21.31 | phorce1 | quicky since 'man interfaces' doesn't mention multihoming a NIC. I just need to add a stanza for 'eth0:1' that looks just like the 'eth0' stanza (but with the alternate address) correct? |
| 09:22.12 | peterS | Popeye3: 'top -n1' for a non-interactive mode |
| 09:22.26 | Solet | ^[[A^[[A^[[B^[[B^[[D^[[C^[[D^[[CAB |
| 09:22.59 | Solet | ^^ serously, that should be in the topic |
| 09:23.01 | ambycrao | How do I mount the root file system to be mounted rot read and write? "The root file system is currently mounted read-only" |
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| 09:23.24 | TinoW | amblin: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 09:23.28 | Popeye3 | thanks |
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| 09:23.36 | TinoW | ambycrao: ^ |
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| 09:24.54 | zamolxes | spammer alert RafaeL |
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| 09:25.08 | Solet | [03:19] <brenda> oyasuminasai ?????????? |
| 09:25.09 | simonrvn | i got the fucker too |
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| 09:25.29 | zeeble | quick job. |
| 09:25.43 | Solet | too tired to think about translating brenda... whats it mean |
| 09:25.50 | simonrvn | kaplow |
| 09:25.55 | TinoW | hm. the box is refusing to PXE-boot my syslinux created image... |
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| 09:27.15 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
| 09:27.15 | ambycrao | EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended. exactly what should i print? |
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| 09:28.12 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: easy solution. "touch /path/to/root/of/fs/fsck" then "reboot" |
| 09:28.21 | shingouz | SlayerXP: morning to yuo too. is that a smiley behind your nick? ;) |
| 09:28.28 | SlayerXP | forcefsck, I mean |
| 09:28.47 | SlayerXP | shingouz: no, it's XP as in eXPerience |
| 09:29.03 | Solet | or eXPerimental |
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| 09:29.08 | shingouz | ahhhah. a rich eXPerience i guess |
| 09:29.08 | simonrvn | a smiley? |
| 09:29.15 | shingouz | yea |
| 09:29.17 | shingouz | xp |
| 09:29.55 | shingouz | at least my face starts to look like the "smiley" if i have to run doze |
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| 09:29.57 | ambycrao | "touch /" for root? |
| 09:30.04 | peterS | night, simonrvn |
| 09:30.12 | SlayerXP | amblin: "touch /forcefsck" |
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| 09:30.23 | simonrvn | 'night dude |
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| 09:30.35 | ambycrao | amblin: nothing happend |
| 09:30.41 | Remux | Bonjour |
| 09:30.52 | Remux | a mince c anglais |
| 09:31.04 | shingouz | !fr |
| 09:31.04 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 09:31.05 | Remux | vous connaissez des chat francais |
| 09:31.05 | RolandU | I have no problems in windows and no problems if I remove lpr, but as soon as the lpd-server starts, it starts printing useless stuff |
| 09:31.17 | Remux | oui fr |
| 09:31.23 | shingouz | :) |
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| 09:31.41 | Remux | merci |
| 09:31.47 | shingouz | no problem |
| 09:31.53 | strk | I can't find gcj in my apt-cache, is it still unpackaged ? |
| 09:32.06 | Remux | #debian-fr |
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| 09:32.15 | phorce1 | OK, I have eth0:1 showing a 192.168.x.x address for my internal network. How do I get 'route' to make it route 192.168.x.x traffic through 192.168.1.1 without making it the default? |
| 09:32.29 | shingouz | Remux: /join #debian-fr |
| 09:32.43 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: touch /forcefsck didn't work... |
| 09:32.52 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: did you renoot? |
| 09:32.56 | SlayerXP | err reboot |
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| 09:33.19 | Giovanni | guys when i make modprobe usb-storege it show this error "FATAL MODULE NOT FOUND" how i can solve this problem? |
| 09:33.24 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: w |
| 09:33.30 | shingouz | usb-storage |
| 09:33.38 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: w? |
| 09:33.52 | shingouz | Giovanni: you have a typo there... |
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| 09:34.05 | Giovanni | sorry usb-storage |
| 09:34.19 | phorce1 | Ahh, maybe this will help, BRB http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/IP-Alias.html |
| 09:34.41 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: ok now it run fsck (as before) |
| 09:34.56 | Giovanni | shingouz u can help me? |
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| 09:35.08 | shingouz | !tell Giovanni about usb-storage |
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| 09:35.21 | ambycrao | fsck failed. The root file system is currently mounted read-only |
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| 09:35.43 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: fsck failed. The root file system is currently mounted read-only |
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| 09:36.36 | petter_ | can someone point me in the right direction on how to add a spare to a sw-raid with mdadm? |
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| 09:36.44 | RolandU | how do I delete ALL jobs out of my print-spooler? |
| 09:37.12 | directhex|work | petter_, mdadm --assemble --help |
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| 09:37.24 | Peka | Hey |
| 09:37.37 | cahoot | RolandU: man lprm say lprm - |
| 09:37.42 | fss | RolandU: lprm? |
| 09:37.52 | netic | is it possible to start process in terminal then exit such that the terminal would keep running? |
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| 09:37.58 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: why does the fsck fail? |
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| 09:38.33 | ambycrao | fsck failed. The root file system is currently mounted read-only. "mount -n -o remount,rw /; shutdown -r now" didän't work |
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| 09:38.52 | petter_ | netic: use screen |
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| 09:39.29 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: because the root file system is currently mounted read-only |
| 09:39.49 | netic | petter_: thanks. could you tell me in short what it does? |
| 09:40.14 | ingisk | How is Linux better for servers then Win2000 Server Edition |
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| 09:40.45 | Skaag | my hard drive is singing to me, serenades of old bits and bytes long gone, down the bus through the buffer and the cache, behold the motor fails, there goes some more cash |
| 09:40.51 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: "mount -o rw,remount /" then "touch /forecefsck" then "reboot" |
| 09:41.07 | SlayerXP | forecefsck even |
| 09:41.10 | SlayerXP | arrgh |
| 09:41.13 | SlayerXP | forcefsck even |
| 09:41.19 | Solet | ingisk: linux is better than wintk because its not micro$oft |
| 09:41.30 | netic | petter_: the thing is that i would like to connect through ssh to another pc start some program there and exit |
| 09:41.39 | SlayerXP | Solet: better in what respect? |
| 09:41.58 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: bash say "mount -n -o remount,rw /" |
| 09:41.59 | SlayerXP | Solet: linux is not better for hosting a micrsoft exchange server installation, for example. |
| 09:42.00 | petter_ | netic: i think that is what you need. check: http://www.rt.com/man/screen.1.html |
| 09:42.03 | cahoot | netic: exactly what screen is good for |
| 09:42.06 | ingisk | Solet: Ok, How is Linux better then Microsoft? |
| 09:42.27 | netic | petter_: thanks again |
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| 09:42.46 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: if you don't do what I ask you to then there's no point me helping you |
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| 09:42.58 | d3s | indyken: coz this is god damn debian linux channel |
| 09:43.10 | RolandU | cahoot, fss: thanks, works now |
| 09:43.12 | d3s | ingisk: : coz this is god damn debian linux channel |
| 09:43.15 | RolandU | gotta run, cya |
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| 09:43.54 | totzilla | morning |
| 09:44.05 | cahoot | SlayerXP: shutdown -rF would accomplish it all |
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| 09:44.52 | SlayerXP | cahoot: yes, that's true, though he'd get less out of it |
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| 09:46.28 | cahoot | SlayerXP: OTOH it actually might not work on a -ro fs |
| 09:46.37 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: i just did what you told me and it didnt work |
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| 09:46.54 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: what didn't work? |
| 09:47.04 | SlayerXP | do I have to guess the error message? |
| 09:47.54 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: I run: "mount -o rw,remount /; touch /forcefsck; shutdown -r now" |
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| 09:48.13 | SlayerXP | and? |
| 09:48.19 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: Rhe root file system is still currently mounted read-only |
| 09:48.28 | strk | !! gcj |
| 09:48.35 | strk | ?? gcj |
| 09:48.44 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: The root file system is still currently mounted read-only* |
| 09:49.00 | SlayerXP | what happens when you type "mount -o rw,remount" on its own? |
| 09:49.03 | strk | can anyone here help me with dpkg bot ? want to know about gcj package (part of gcc from source) |
| 09:49.06 | SlayerXP | add a "/" there |
| 09:49.07 | shingouz | !tell Strk about gcj |
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| 09:50.23 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: a help menu is being listed |
| 09:50.46 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: did you add a "/"? |
| 09:51.03 | shingouz | mount -o rw,remount / |
| 09:51.14 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: where |
| 09:51.20 | shingouz | mount -o rw,remount / |
| 09:51.22 | SlayerXP | ffs |
| 09:51.26 | SlayerXP | this is like pullin teeth |
| 09:51.27 | ambycrao | w |
| 09:51.32 | phorce1 | strk: to do it yourself it's '/msg dpkg gcj?' or '/msg dpkg find gcj' (without the single quotes of course) |
| 09:51.37 | shingouz | mount -o rw,remount / <---- there |
| 09:51.40 | ambycrao | Ok |
| 09:51.52 | ambycrao | EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended. |
| 09:52.00 | ambycrao | thats whats happen |
| 09:52.17 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: show me the output of "mount" for "/" |
| 09:52.28 | SlayerXP | mute:~# mount |
| 09:52.28 | SlayerXP | /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw) |
| 09:52.31 | SlayerXP | like that, for example |
| 09:53.06 | phorce1 | hmmm |
| 09:53.13 | buu_sleeping | Why does apt keep timing out on 'waiting for headers' |
| 09:53.16 | strk | thanks |
| 09:53.30 | Chameleon22 | whats the exim command to defrost and delete mail stuck in the queue |
| 09:53.47 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: output of mount, I did run "mount -o rw,remount /" nothing more |
| 09:54.10 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: I have only mounted cd:s before ;) |
| 09:54.10 | strk | can dpkg also tell me which source(s) contains a specific package ? |
| 09:54.44 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: listen, how about you give me the information I actually ask for, and not the information you think I want? |
| 09:55.08 | phorce1 | strk: use the "find" format that I showed above. |
| 09:55.08 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: I dont know how to bring it to you |
| 09:55.09 | SlayerXP | when you type "mount", what does the entry for "/" say, exactly? |
| 09:55.14 | SlayerXP | I TOLD YOU |
| 09:55.44 | shingouz | teeth :( |
| 09:56.12 | peterS | buu_sleeping: shouldn't you be _sleeping? |
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| 09:57.16 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: "mount /" say: according to mtab, /dev/hdd2 is already mounted on / |
| 09:57.21 | phorce1 | cahmele: man exim -- search for 'thaw' |
| 09:57.40 | phorce1 | grr fumble fingers |
| 09:57.45 | phorce1 | Chameleon22: man exim -- search for 'thaw' |
| 09:57.47 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: are you being deliberatly stupid? |
| 09:58.00 | phorce1 | Chameleon22: -qff I think |
| 09:58.13 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: did I say type "mount /" ? no, I didn't, I said type "mount" and show me what the output was for "/" |
| 09:58.26 | Chameleon22 | phorce1: ye found it, but thanks but cant seem to find how to get the message id |
| 09:58.50 | phorce1 | Chameleon22: -qff should thaw everything |
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| 09:59.37 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: "mount" /dev/hdd2 on / type ext2 /rw,errors=remount-ro) proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 09:59.54 | SlayerXP | right |
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| 10:00.08 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: not type "touch /forcefsck" |
| 10:00.15 | SlayerXP | now type, I mean |
| 10:00.19 | Chameleon22 | phorce1: exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments |
| 10:00.25 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: ok |
| 10:00.28 | strk | does dpkg (with find) only find latest version or should list all three if available ? (it's returning 'sid' only) |
| 10:00.48 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: done |
| 10:00.58 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: no errors? |
| 10:01.07 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: no |
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| 10:01.28 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: but nothing is being displayed either (should it) |
| 10:01.44 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: what do you mean "nothing is being displayed"? |
| 10:02.09 | SlayerXP | your monitor has just exploded? |
| 10:02.34 | phorce1 | Chameleon22: use exim -bp to list all messages in queue with their IDs and frozen (or not) status |
| 10:02.37 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: should I reboot then? |
| 10:02.42 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: now reboot, and that partition should be fsckd |
| 10:03.32 | Gnom | hello, i have installd new kernal to support my soundcard via82cxxx_audio driver. i want to use alsamixer but it cant find my card . i found this for the old kernel :" post-install via82cxxx_audio /usr/bin/aumix -L " do i change aumix to alsamixer ? |
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| 10:04.44 | Chameleon22 | phorce1: mailq -bp lists them fine, then trying to delete with mailq -Mrm and the bitch just want go cause its frozen and -qff doesnt get recognized |
| 10:04.46 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: The root file system is still currently mounted read-only* |
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| 10:05.15 | ocsi | hi |
| 10:05.21 | ocsi | is it normal that I can't get better than 15-20kb/s over a slirp<==>pppd connection? this link should be able to handle ~300kb/s |
| 10:05.22 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: did the fsck take place? |
| 10:05.28 | ocsi | I think maybe the pppd on the _client_ side is set to a low speed; I tried 10 000 000 but pppd sais it's not supported |
| 10:05.31 | ocsi | How can I tell pppd that it's no a slooooow connection? |
| 10:05.42 | phorce1 | Chameleon22: try running it as exim rather than as the mailq alias |
| 10:05.50 | ocsi | I give it a go |
| 10:05.56 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: yes |
| 10:06.03 | SlayerXP | and....? |
| 10:06.10 | ocsi | (ops, this last one not into this channel) |
| 10:06.12 | Gnom | ambycrao ist that a lilo line mount root="hda2" read-only |
| 10:06.14 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: then the roor came up |
| 10:06.20 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: I want you to imagine that I can't see your screen. |
| 10:06.39 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: think of me being sat hundreds of miles away in front of a computer |
| 10:06.52 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: imagine that all I can know about your problem is what you tell me |
| 10:06.54 | phorce1 | Chameleon22: nevermind -- mailq is just a softlink to exim |
| 10:07.04 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: then the error came up: fsck failed |
| 10:07.08 | Gnom | i thought u where ircing with a toaster slayer |
| 10:07.14 | Chameleon22 | phorce1: got it working, thank you |
| 10:07.20 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: _why_ did the fsck fail? |
| 10:07.30 | common | SlayerXP: go get out your chrystal balls and shrub em |
| 10:08.08 | common | this usualy hels |
| 10:08.10 | common | ps |
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| 10:08.17 | common | me |
| 10:08.35 | Nonomero | hello, hello |
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| 10:08.43 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: I understand you |
| 10:08.57 | SlayerXP | Nonomero: salute |
| 10:09.05 | phorce1 | Chameleon22: np |
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| 10:09.41 | ocsi | anyone? :) |
| 10:10.12 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: fsck filed. Please repair manually and reboot. Plause note that the root file system is currently mounted read-only. To remount it read-write: # mount -n -o remount,rw / |
| 10:10.23 | Nonomero | Does anyone knows a soft that would calculate md5sum of binaries installed on a system, and ckeck them against debian original files md5 ? |
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| 10:10.50 | jm_ | Nonomero: apt-cache show debsums |
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| 10:10.55 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: okay, type "mount -n -o remount,rw /" then "fsck -y /" |
| 10:10.56 | jm_ | but it won't work for all packages |
| 10:11.20 | jm_ | don't run fsck on rw-mounted file system |
| 10:11.30 | Nonomero | jm_: oh, thks... I missed this one |
| 10:11.48 | Nonomero | jm_: i only want to check "critical" binaries |
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| 10:13.12 | Nonomero | cool, jm_ does *exactly* what I want to |
| 10:13.16 | Nonomero | oups |
| 10:13.27 | Nonomero | cool, debsums does *exactly* what I want to |
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| 10:14.35 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: ok when i run "mount -n -o remount,rw /" this comes up "EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended |
| 10:14.52 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: so now you do the next thing I said |
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| 10:15.04 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: yes |
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| 10:15.20 | konsol | anybody try to work iptables in ipphone |
| 10:15.39 | konsol | linux------hub-----ipphone |
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| 10:16.00 | konsol | modem-------linux--------hub-------ipphone |
| 10:16.29 | sussudio | mushroom-----snake |
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| 10:16.55 | phorce1 | hmmm. Can't draw ascii art here <grin>. cable problems. cbale modem with two dynamic IPs. Cable modem in to 5 port switch. Switch to debian box AND to inbound port of in house wireless router. Debian box gets one external IP on eth0 router gets the other. Router gives computers connected to it 192.168.1.x addresses and NAT's them. I want the debian box to be able to use eth0:1 to talk directly to the 192.168.1.0 network. [more] |
| 10:16.57 | phorce1 | Will I blow something up if I connect one of the "outbound" ports on the router |
| 10:16.57 | phorce1 | back to the switch that is providing its "inbound" IP from the cable modem so |
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| 10:17.04 | phorce1 | the 192.168 network is visible to the debian NIC? |
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| 10:17.32 | Nonomero | err, what can be the causes of a md5 change ? |
| 10:17.39 | Nonomero | i think prelinking is one |
| 10:17.44 | Nonomero | no ? |
| 10:18.43 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: when i run "fsck -y /" this comes up "WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage. Do you really want to contiune (y/n)? |
| 10:19.04 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: just want to make sure |
| 10:19.48 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: if you do you might be scrwed, if you don't you _are_ screwed :) |
| 10:19.48 | phorce1 | konsol: I'm running my VOIP outside connected straight to one of the wired ports of my wireless router. |
| 10:20.03 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: you could try "init s" first |
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| 10:20.49 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: ok, that bring me "INIT : Going single user... |
| 10:21.12 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: i did run "fsck -y /" |
| 10:21.15 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: now do the fsck |
| 10:21.16 | konsol | phorcel: i have a linux with iptables setup and the ipphone is connected to the hub i want to use the private ip to ipphone to call aoutside |
| 10:21.39 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: done it (reboot) |
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| 10:22.38 | konsol | its work if i use a public ip and not in private ip |
| 10:23.14 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: fsck was running after the autoprobing |
| 10:23.31 | t-fosor|debn | just installed Debian 3.0 on a machine and... the problem I'm having is that with i start X there is a gray bar that remains at the top of the screen... |
| 10:23.39 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: now Xwindows working again, big thx to you! |
| 10:23.46 | SlayerXP | ambycrao: np |
| 10:23.48 | phorce1 | konsol: my wireless router is doing NAT and it works fine. The phone is 192.168.1.3 I think. |
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| 10:24.20 | t-fosor|debn | I think this is caused by my video card being unsupported by the version of X that was installed... any other thoughts or help? |
| 10:24.51 | t-fosor|debn | basically, i guess i'm asking for guidance on how to update my Xwindows envirenment |
| 10:25.08 | slazh | can anybody help with a problem? .. I can't su when i'm connected trough SSH2, only when i'm at the machine it self. I think it's a PAM problem, but can't seem to figure it out. |
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| 10:25.27 | AciD`` | oi |
| 10:26.19 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: that was quite easy :) (if you know what to do) |
| 10:28.18 | AciD | i have my good old debian on this comp, it's fully updated and configured. I'll get a laptop in fev days and i want to install a debian on it, with the same package (and tweaked cfg). Is there an easy way to do that ? |
| 10:28.45 | jm_ | AciD: packages is easy, config file not so easy |
| 10:28.52 | shingouz | AciD: the exactly same system onto it? |
| 10:28.55 | jm_ | well you could always copy it over |
| 10:28.56 | slazh | Feb 17 10:20:05 avalon su[5030]: pam_authenticate: Authentication failure < from the /var/log/auth.log |
| 10:28.58 | ambycrao | SlayerXP: is it only possible to "mount /cdrom" if itä's secondary master/slave? |
| 10:29.19 | AciD | shingouz > not really athlon > centrino |
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| 10:30.09 | AciD | jm_ > there is an automated way to install the same package on another comp ? |
| 10:30.36 | jm_ | AciD: yes |
| 10:30.47 | shingouz | AciD: boot the laptop onto some rescue cd and copy the old system over once you have partitioned the drive, chroot into the new / and do whatever it takes to make it bootable. reboot and hack the configs into place. centrinos and stuff you know... |
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| 10:31.41 | AciD | that sound a bit dirty :x |
| 10:32.01 | phorce1 | OK that works. Now to set up /etc/hosts with names pointing in house machines to the local addresses to stop wasting trips out to the net for file transfers. |
| 10:32.09 | shingouz | AciD: you dont have to touch the nasty bits, move them over the network.... |
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| 10:34.56 | phorce1 | can't dpkg on the current machine generate a list of packages that dpkg, apt-get, or <shiver> dselect on the new machine can read to load the SAME packages after a minimal base install? |
| 10:35.45 | jm_ | of course it can |
| 10:35.50 | jm_ | !+reinstall |
| 10:35.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is grep -B1 installed /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 10:35.53 | shingouz | phorce1: man dpkg. --get-selections and --set-selections iirc |
| 10:36.04 | jm_ | yay not that one |
| 10:36.08 | jm_ | !+package reselect |
| 10:36.08 | dpkg | from memory, package reselect is 'dpkg --get-selections >file', 'sed -e"s/remove$/install/" file | dpkg --set-selections', then apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 10:36.22 | jm_ | that's a few hints how to do it |
| 10:36.35 | phorce1 | that way the base install with properly set up kernel and modules for the laptop can be done. Copying a system from a desktop to a laptop would be REALLY messy trying to get it bootable with the wrong modules |
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| 10:37.29 | AciD | indeed |
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| 10:38.49 | slazh | can anbody tell me if theres a know problem with 3.0 r4 which refuses you to su as a normal user when remotelly connected? |
| 10:38.52 | phorce1 | gonna have to transfer the current install from this athlon desktop to the 1U Celeron server. |
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| 10:39.49 | Jacobo221 | does anybody know of an apt repository which has avidemux able top edit asf? |
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| 10:39.56 | phorce1 | slazh: works fine here using ssh and screen |
| 10:39.59 | AciD | doesn't dpkg keep tracks of modified configuration file via md5 btw ? |
| 10:40.03 | ingiskk | phorce1 > 1U Celeron? |
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| 10:40.31 | AciD | it perhaps could be possible to gather the modified files for tranfer |
| 10:40.38 | AciD | +S |
| 10:40.43 | jm_ | Jacobo221: marillat |
| 10:41.01 | slazh | phorce1, hmmkay.. |
| 10:41.12 | slazh | i can't .. authentication failed. sorry. |
| 10:41.16 | phorce1 | ingiskk: going to rackmount in my house to clean up the mess. Moving my low demand mail server from the Athlon desktop to a 1U rackmount Celeron 733 server I got from work. |
| 10:41.17 | slazh | and i know the password is correct |
| 10:42.04 | Jacobo221 | jm_: :) |
| 10:42.12 | AciD | your charset is ok too slazh ? |
| 10:42.15 | ingiskk | Oh ok |
| 10:42.24 | phorce1 | slazh: are you local to the machine now? It's probably a setting in /etc/securetty |
| 10:42.30 | AciD | i mean, your keyboard mapping |
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| 10:42.40 | Yaroon | Hmm, could anyone explain me how you can have a binary as root.root but still run it as nobody? |
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| 10:43.10 | torbjorn | because nobody has executable permission set? |
| 10:43.16 | torbjorn | *everybody even |
| 10:43.16 | slazh | AciD i can login as a normal user, so i think so |
| 10:43.32 | slazh | phorce1 i've checked the file, but can't find anything weird |
| 10:43.57 | slazh | here's a peace of the auth.log: |
| 10:43.59 | slazh | Feb 17 10:20:02 avalon PAM_unix[5030]: authentication failure; marcel(uid=1000) -> root for su service |
| 10:43.59 | slazh | Feb 17 10:20:05 avalon su[5030]: pam_authenticate: Authentication failure |
| 10:43.59 | slazh | Feb 17 10:20:05 avalon su[5030]: - pts/0 marcel-root |
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| 10:44.05 | bilbo_pingouin | hi |
| 10:44.19 | phorce1 | slazh: does it have "console" as an entry? I think ssh sessions report back as "console" |
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| 10:44.24 | torbjorn | Yaroon: *nix file permissions is divided up three several categories, owner, group and everybody else. if you set the binary to be executable by everybody else, then it will be. |
| 10:44.55 | phorce1 | slazh: Ahh -- not using PAM here. |
| 10:44.56 | Yaroon | torbjorn: but I do mean user "nobody"... |
| 10:44.59 | Yaroon | Not just everybody. |
| 10:45.17 | torbjorn | nobody is part of everybody |
| 10:45.24 | slazh | phorce1; this is the first time i'm using it to. Just did a fresh debian install, and this is how it finished |
| 10:45.25 | torbjorn | as wicked as that may sound |
| 10:45.25 | Yaroon | Ah. |
| 10:45.28 | Yaroon | OK. |
| 10:45.33 | torbjorn | nobody is just another user |
| 10:45.36 | torbjorn | "nobody" |
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| 10:45.39 | Yaroon | Yes. |
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| 10:46.06 | torbjorn | so as long as you have that "x" on the "all" part of file permissions, nobody will get to run it. |
| 10:46.10 | torbjorn | ofcourse not with root permissions. |
| 10:46.34 | AciD | use setuid to get those permissions |
| 10:46.35 | phorce1 | slazh: It's got to be a PAM config file that notes where root is allowed to log in from then. Something other than /etc/securetty. |
| 10:46.59 | torbjorn | this is critical knowledge. make sure you get it straight. dont even think about setuid till you have the basics covered. |
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| 10:47.23 | Yaroon | torbjorn: alright. And could you tell me how to run a binary as a different user? |
| 10:47.28 | slazh | i've checked the /etc/pam.d/su file, and compared it with another file where i _can_ su to root, but there's nothing different as far as i can tell |
| 10:47.37 | Yaroon | subversion now runs as root, but I want it to run as svnuser. (for example) |
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| 10:48.12 | AciD | Yaroon > it's in the cfg of svn iirc |
| 10:48.24 | Yaroon | I see. |
| 10:48.29 | torbjorn | Yaroon: better go through the proper config channels for that. |
| 10:48.44 | phorce1 | slazh: look for /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 10:49.00 | phorce1 | slazh: http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/3545 |
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| 10:49.29 | possie | i'm at a remote location, logged in via ssh on my box, how can i launch a application so that the output cause to xsession where i'm locally logged in to, sort of Xforwarding to the local xsession i guess :-) |
| 10:49.40 | phorce1 | slazh: (second entry when googling for "PAM su root remote" |
| 10:49.49 | slazh | phorce1: thnx, i'll check it out |
| 10:49.52 | slazh | d0h ;) |
| 10:49.55 | slazh | i've googled for like..an hour |
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| 10:52.02 | phorce1 | slazh: I just wish the google search structure were more robust. I'm an old discreet logic electrician and I'm used to being able to stick AND's OR's, NOT's and NOR's wherever I need them to build a search structure. |
| 10:52.56 | bilbo_pingouin | phorcel, you can use + and - |
| 10:53.26 | slazh | phorce1: i know..that's the way I learned using search engines aswell :) |
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| 10:54.00 | Yaroon | possie: check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config for X11Forwarding. |
| 10:54.02 | ambycrao | witch program is inbuilt in debian for reading xls files |
| 10:54.04 | ambycrao | ? |
| 10:54.07 | Yaroon | possie: set it to yes, instead of no. |
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| 10:54.14 | jm_ | ambycrao: gnumeric, open office |
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| 10:54.28 | ambycrao | jm_: ok |
| 10:54.32 | chugga | anyone run itunes - how well does it work and is it worth it? |
| 10:54.32 | possie | Yaroon: do i need Xforwarding then? i dont' want to get the output of a program on my own screen, but i want theoutput to popup at the remote location |
| 10:54.34 | phorce1 | bilbo_pingouin: It still tries to use its own "fuzzy logic" to appease its advertizers. I can build a construct that should only show me one single page that contains all of my search items and I still get 1,000,000,000,000... hits |
| 10:54.43 | Yaroon | possie: restart sshd, I guess, and log in over ssh with the -X parameter. Also make sure you have the package xbase-clients installed. |
| 10:54.51 | Yaroon | Oh! |
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| 10:54.58 | Yaroon | possie: sorry, misunderstood. |
| 10:55.27 | SkippedySkop | hey guys i was wondering, is there a way to break up 2.6gb into 700mb files so they fit on a cd, as i need to backup some data |
| 10:55.45 | sml | SkippedySkop: "split" |
| 10:55.46 | possie | Yaroon: np :-) |
| 10:56.44 | phorce1 | SkippedySkop: 'tar' should be able to crate volumes of specific size also. |
| 10:56.47 | SkippedySkop | sml: sorry let me rephrase, is there a way to break up a directory that contains a load of files, whcih i want to add to a cd, which in total amounts to 2.6gb, so i need to tar all of it into 700mb, but preferably so it can decompress on the other end accordingly almost like an image |
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| 10:57.45 | jm_ | SkippedySkop: yes, several cd backup tools support that |
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| 10:57.59 | SkippedySkop | jm_: fantastic, can you recommend one in particular? |
| 10:58.33 | phorce1 | SkippedySkop: 'man tar' I don't know the switches offhand but it can create volumes of specific size tha can be recombined when you untar them |
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| 10:59.05 | jm_ | SkippedySkop: apt-cache search cd backup (I know mondo can do it) |
| 10:59.13 | SkippedySkop | thank you |
| 10:59.24 | chugga | is there something to search/listen to shoutcast servers - apparently itunes does it? |
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| 10:59.55 | phorce1 | skippy: also -- 'apt-cache search cd backup' shows at least 3 packages |
| 11:00.04 | AciD | chugga > amarok xmms rythmbox |
| 11:00.17 | phorce1 | jm_: ahh you typed faster then me |
| 11:00.42 | AciD | got 9 pkgs :) |
| 11:00.43 | sml | SkippedySkop: tar --tape-length N |
| 11:01.33 | SkippedySkop | thanks |
| 11:01.37 | sml | so tar cvzf blah.tgz ./ --tape-length 750M |
| 11:01.43 | chugga | AciD, nah i mean searching for something, or checking a genre then clicking on a stream to hear it. xmms will only play a stream - it wont help you find one |
| 11:02.48 | Bouncy | what is a good partition setup. currently im using 3 partitions, /boot /home and / is there any other partitions i should have for good security and performance.? |
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| 11:03.09 | SkippedySkop | /usr /var and /home for the rest |
| 11:03.22 | Gnom | and it was that simple: apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686 AND NOT!!!! :http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?SoundFAQ |
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| 11:04.13 | Bouncy | SkippedySkop: what size's should /usr and /var be.? |
| 11:04.26 | Bouncy | is 1 gb each enough.? |
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| 11:04.33 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - i am installing debian on a machine with an nVidia card. any tips about installing 3D please? i.e. like where do i start etc :-) |
| 11:04.42 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 11:04.45 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 11:04.52 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: DO NOT USE THE INSTALLER FROM NVIDIA.COM |
| 11:04.55 | Sirius_Black | cheers PerfDave |
| 11:05.01 | jm_ | Bouncy: that depends on what you will put on /var |
| 11:05.16 | SkippedySkop | well it's upto you, i tend to put /usr as 2.5gb and /var at 1gb but it's up to you |
| 11:05.22 | Gnom | how the hell do i remove this bootup from networkcard ERROR massage on boot |
| 11:05.38 | Sirius_Black | PerfDave: cheers - i wasnt goona :-) |
| 11:05.45 | Gnom | i chose no on that option why is it showing it then |
| 11:05.49 | Bouncy | ok thanks guys ill see how i go. |
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| 11:06.34 | AciD | on a 100Gb hd, i would say /boot : 30 Mb, /usr : 20 Gb, /var : 15 Gb, / : 10 Gb and /home : 55Gb |
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| 11:06.38 | AciD | imho |
| 11:06.53 | sml | depends how much pr0n you have on /home |
| 11:06.58 | SkippedySkop | indeed |
| 11:06.58 | sml | i would go for 80GB /home. |
| 11:06.59 | Nostromo^ | why don't i see an amd64 netinstall disc on debian's site? |
| 11:07.09 | SkippedySkop | Nostromo^ because it isn't available yet |
| 11:07.11 | johnnyST | Why is kino removed from sarge? |
| 11:07.12 | SkippedySkop | but you can create your own |
| 11:07.20 | PerfDave | !why is kino not in sarge |
| 11:07.21 | dpkg | PerfDave: what are you talking about? |
| 11:07.30 | sml | hiya PerfDave :) |
| 11:07.32 | phorce1 | sml: nahh -- I add a 200G HD and mount it as /pr0n |
| 11:07.40 | zeeble | a 30G /usr!! |
| 11:07.42 | sml | phorce1: LOL. |
| 11:07.45 | PerfDave | Hello sml |
| 11:07.56 | Nostromo^ | SkippedySkop, is it possible using the regular i386 one, and after installation switch all packages to amd64? |
| 11:08.07 | SkippedySkop | yes you can do that |
| 11:08.08 | Nostromo^ | (or are you telling me there are no amd64 packages at all???) |
| 11:08.13 | PerfDave | SkippedySkop: #debian-amd64 |
| 11:08.18 | SkippedySkop | oo |
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| 11:08.24 | Nostromo^ | hey cool |
| 11:08.31 | Nostromo^ | thanks perfdave |
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| 11:08.40 | Niaihahaha | http://www.cotedeporc.org/team_concept/ |
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| 11:09.09 | phorce1 | zeeble: depends on what one may use it for. I use /usr/src for kernel sources ad building and /usr/loacl for "playing with" non-debianized programs. /usr can get quite loaded. |
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| 11:09.37 | PerfDave | phorce1: If you install games such as Doom 3, they will use up space in /usr/local |
| 11:09.38 | zeeble | phorce1: oh ok. my kernel stuff lies in /home/sp/ |
| 11:09.48 | Niaihahaha | http://www.cotedeporc.org/team_concept/ |
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| 11:09.54 | jm_ | PerfDave: it's why is foo not in testing |
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| 11:10.03 | PerfDave | jm_: Oh, fair enough |
| 11:10.13 | PerfDave | !why is kino not in testing |
| 11:10.15 | dpkg | kino is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kino |
| 11:10.30 | PerfDave | johnnyST: ^^^ |
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| 11:10.38 | phorce1 | zeeble: I started way back when with slackware. /usr/src is where all source stuff goes and custom compiles take place. <grin> |
| 11:11.15 | zeeble | phorce1: err, i am sure back then, slackware allowed you to put src in /usr/src/ and ln -s your kernel dir to /usr/src/linux |
| 11:11.29 | zeeble | err, put source in /home/foo |
| 11:11.45 | zeeble | but yeah. i get your point. |
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| 11:12.37 | phorce1 | zeeble: I got in lots of (reformatting) trouble using 'ln -s' as a newbie. I wuit using it so much very quickly and put stuff directly where its docs reccomended. |
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| 11:12.56 | zeeble | phorce1: heh. |
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| 11:13.28 | t0ffel | I'm using the 2.6.8-1-386 kernel that came with the netinstall. I try to install the nvidia drivers, but am told I need a configured kernel. I have downloaded and unzipped kernel-source-2.6.8, unzipped, and symlinked to /usr/src/linux/, but I still get the same message. What am I missing? |
| 11:13.54 | t0ffel | only unzipped once :P |
| 11:14.14 | phorce1 | zeeble: I still remember making my very first /usr too small and having it spread across threee physical drives before I broke down and started over. |
| 11:15.15 | ricky_clarkson | My /usr is a bit too small. |
| 11:15.15 | AciD | would you believe me if i tell you my /home part is 800Mb large ? |
| 11:15.40 | PerfDave | t0ffel: How are you installing the nvidia drivers? |
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| 11:16.07 | t0ffel | PerfDave: sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run |
| 11:16.28 | PerfDave | t0ffel: That'll be why it isn't working. That script will fuck your Debian system. |
| 11:16.40 | PerfDave | t0ffel: Use module-assistant - /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 11:16.46 | ricky_clarkson | !fuck your Debian system |
| 11:17.01 | ricky_clarkson | I should get sex tips from this bot. |
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| 11:17.41 | istoleapig | karma sutra- the crazed weasel |
| 11:17.51 | t0ffel | PerfDave: ok, thanks :) |
| 11:17.58 | Laibsch | Hi, the mail system on a machine I just installed (sarge) seems to be incorrectly configured. reportbug ended with "SMTP send failure: (-2, 'Name or service not known'). I checked inetd.conf and did a dpkg-reconfigure exim which did not even ask me a single question :-/ What package or conf file should I look into? TIA. |
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| 11:18.32 | Laibsch | reportbug was about reporting another bug, not my conf problem ;-) |
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| 11:20.02 | ricky_clarkson | Laibsch: Maybe you have your system set not to ask questions. |
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| 11:20.20 | PerfDave | Laibsch: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:20.40 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg-reconfigure debconf if PerfDave's answer doesn't help. |
| 11:20.45 | PerfDave | Laibsch: At a guess, your DNS configuration is knackered. does "host www.google.com" suggest anything? |
| 11:21.17 | ricky_clarkson | !dict knackered |
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| 11:21.19 | dpkg | Dictionary 'knackered' very tired [syn: {drained}] |
| 11:21.35 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: I like, and use your definition, but I've never seen it in a dictionary. |
| 11:21.36 | raghu | any shorewall expert |
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| 11:21.42 | slazh | phorce1: http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/3545 .. did work :( |
| 11:21.56 | slazh | commented the line with securetty, rebooted, still no succes |
| 11:22.22 | slazh | didn't* |
| 11:22.25 | johnnyST | Hi the eject program i debian sarge dose not work well with new kernels 2.6.11-rc4: I have problems ejecting and in the syslog i get "program eject is using a deprecated ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO" |
| 11:22.46 | johnnyST | Is this known? |
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| 11:22.55 | bellissima | hello |
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| 11:22.59 | Niaihahaha | http://www.cotedeporc.org/team_concept/ |
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| 11:23.01 | bellissima | ^^ |
| 11:23.04 | TinoW | *grr* pxelinux is ignoring my config file... |
| 11:23.08 | bellissima | oh very good link |
| 11:23.16 | bellissima | but normally no spam |
| 11:23.22 | bellissima | but its very good |
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| 11:23.25 | bellissima | :) |
| 11:23.31 | bellissima | http://www.cotedeporc.org/team_concept/DVD_moins_cher.free.fr |
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| 11:24.43 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Dictionaries are futile. |
| 11:25.29 | Laibsch | PerfDave: Thanx. AFAIR I did not change the level for questions asked from 'normal' but I will look into that. I will also do the dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config as suggested. host is not installed but I can ping www.google.com so I assume that DNS is working OK. |
| 11:25.40 | PerfDave | Laibsch: Fair enough |
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| 11:25.50 | PerfDave | Laibsch: It might be worth looking in /var/log/exim too |
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| 11:26.31 | aurax | how can i list my installed applications ? |
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| 11:27.21 | Laibsch | PerfDave: I already checked the logs. There was nothing valuable in there, AFAICT. I was only bewildered that root or any other account never received mail such as cron outputs and the like. So something is not yet setup correctly. I will report back. |
| 11:27.22 | PerfDave | aurax: dpkg -l |
| 11:27.42 | PerfDave | Laibsch: root shouldn't receive mail directly anyway ;p |
| 11:27.56 | bellissima | hello |
| 11:28.02 | bellissima | you are here?? |
| 11:28.06 | ricky_clarkson | no |
| 11:28.07 | bellissima | ou ouhh?? |
| 11:28.15 | bellissima | o hello |
| 11:28.23 | Laibsch | PerfDave: Yes, I know and it is not receiving it. Just did not want you to bother with the name of the account that IS receiving it ;-) |
| 11:28.32 | ricky_clarkson | I am not here. Please leave a message after the Tone. |
| 11:28.34 | bellissima | http://www.cotedeporc.org/team_concept/DVD_moins_cher.free.fr |
| 11:28.40 | bellissima | What |
| 11:28.48 | ricky_clarkson | ... change of voice ... Hi, I'm Tone. I understand you have to leave a message after me. |
| 11:28.52 | phorce1 | slazh: sorry -- off answering email. I don't have PAM installed here so I can't play with it. Lemme see if I can find other info. |
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| 11:30.35 | slazh | phorce1: thnx :) |
| 11:30.42 | sml | i have a divx that i would like to put onto a dvd so my mate can watch it. what tool do i use to ? |
| 11:31.01 | aurax | debian sarge is the fastest linux i worked on damn |
| 11:31.01 | sml | i should say that my mate would like to watch the dvd on her DVD player not computer ;) |
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| 11:31.34 | slazh | phorce1: getting the feeling my install is screwed somehow.. did use 3.0 r4 iso |
| 11:31.36 | istoleapig | can anyone give me a hand with a knoppix hd install? the knoppix channel is slow atm.. |
| 11:31.51 | PerfDave | istoleapig: No, this is a Debian channel. |
| 11:31.53 | PerfDave | istoleapig: # |
| 11:31.54 | istoleapig | kk |
| 11:31.57 | istoleapig | np |
| 11:32.01 | PerfDave | istoleapig: #knoppix being slow isn't our problem ;) |
| 11:32.12 | istoleapig | :P just asking |
| 11:32.14 | PerfDave | istoleapig: Have you considered installing Debian? It's like Knoppix, only better for HD installs. |
| 11:32.19 | PerfDave | !d-i istoleapig |
| 11:32.21 | dpkg | istoleapig, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:32.29 | istoleapig | lol |
| 11:32.34 | istoleapig | okay |
| 11:32.35 | istoleapig | cheers |
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| 11:38.24 | phorce1 | slazh: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html Section 9.2.2 |
| 11:39.04 | Sirius_Black | guys - i need to build kernel headers for my kernel. how do i do that please? |
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| 11:40.05 | jetscreamer | which kernel is the question, stock or hand rolled |
| 11:40.06 | slazh | phorce1: oh jesus.. how did i miss that! gonna read it right now |
| 11:40.32 | Sirius_Black | jetscreamer: 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 11:40.48 | Sirius_Black | i am not sure if it is stock or not? |
| 11:41.16 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: How did you install it? |
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| 11:41.43 | Sirius_Black | PerfDave: i installed it from a CD, i.e. during debian install |
| 11:41.46 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: Are you using module-assistant to install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 11:41.57 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 11:41.58 | Sirius_Black | PerfDave: no |
| 11:42.12 | phorce1 | slazh: also this thread on debian-security list http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2003/10/msg00175.html |
| 11:42.20 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: Sorry, you asked about that earlier, I thought this was related. |
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| 11:42.26 | jetscreamer | Sirius_Black, what PerfDave said |
| 11:42.26 | Sirius_Black | PerfDave: that tells me that the is no kernel headers for 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 11:42.32 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 11:42.34 | Sirius_Black | PerfDave: yeah it is mate |
| 11:42.36 | jetscreamer | ok get a new kernel |
| 11:42.38 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: Oh yeah, they've been dropped from Sarge. |
| 11:42.51 | Sirius_Black | jetscreamer: which kernel shall I get then |
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| 11:43.01 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6, install a kernel-image package, reboot into it, then do the kernel-headers to match. |
| 11:43.05 | jetscreamer | i usually get the latest and greatest, up to you |
| 11:43.13 | Sirius_Black | PerfDave: ok guys thnx |
| 11:43.16 | jetscreamer | what PerfDave siad |
| 11:43.20 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: Best of luck :) |
| 11:43.29 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: What CPU are you using? |
| 11:43.35 | jetscreamer | amd or intel |
| 11:43.46 | Sirius_Black | AMD 1.8GHz |
| 11:43.50 | jetscreamer | get a k7 |
| 11:44.00 | jetscreamer | kernel |
| 11:44.05 | Sirius_Black | ok jetscreamer |
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| 11:44.15 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: You can install a -k7 kernel, which is optimised for AMD processors and will be faster. |
| 11:44.17 | slazh | thnx phorce1 |
| 11:44.24 | jetscreamer | what PerfDave siad |
| 11:44.24 | Sirius_Black | tnx PerfDave |
| 11:44.32 | Sirius_Black | i'll keep u posted guys |
| 11:44.33 | Sirius_Black | hahaha |
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| 11:47.07 | slazh | phorce1: do i need to restart somethings if I change the pam.d/ files? |
| 11:47.15 | R | anyone know how to convert a bunch of png images to a raw avi video that can be used in the java media framework (using ffmpeg, imagemagick, mencoder of something like that perhaps?)? |
| 11:47.45 | jethro | R: man mencoder |
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| 11:48.00 | PerfDave | R: gimp-gap may do it |
| 11:48.03 | aurax | is there a good sources.list file somewhere for debian-sarge (testing) |
| 11:48.12 | aurax | with extra repositories |
| 11:48.18 | jethro | !good |
| 11:48.18 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 11:48.30 | aurax | is there a better* |
| 11:48.33 | aurax | :) |
| 11:48.34 | R | jethro: I'v tried a zillion things with mencoder, after png->sgi I managed to get a divx, but I could get any furhter (and jmf doesn't accept divx) |
| 11:48.36 | slazh | phorce1: ok nvm my previous question. I can get root now, but there's no asking for passwd like the debian.org reference tells me |
| 11:48.38 | jethro | you didn't get the point I think |
| 11:48.41 | phorce1 | slazh: shouldn't they are read at each login attempt |
| 11:48.47 | R | perfdave: i'll check that out |
| 11:49.04 | Sirius_Black | jetscreamer, PerfDave - will apt-get install kernle-image-2.6.8-2-k7 configure my grub as well?, or will i have to do it "manually"? |
| 11:49.13 | aurax | so is there extra repositories file for debian.testing ? |
| 11:49.18 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: It should handle all the boot loader. |
| 11:49.24 | PerfDave | aurax: There are hundreds of extra repositories. |
| 11:49.26 | slazh | phorce1: i'll play arround with these pam options a while, thnx for helping :) |
| 11:49.31 | aurax | i use : |
| 11:49.39 | Sirius_Black | PerfDave: great :-) - isnt debian just lovely |
| 11:49.39 | phorce1 | slazh: you set it up to trust users in a certain group then. Set up a VERY unpriveleged user (not in any special groups) and try from that login. |
| 11:49.41 | ricky_clarkson | Don't flood. |
| 11:49.53 | aurax | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 11:49.53 | aurax | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 11:49.53 | aurax | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.56 | ricky_clarkson | aurax: Wanker. |
| 11:50.04 | aurax | 3 lines chill :) |
| 11:50.07 | PerfDave | aurax: That's nice for you. |
| 11:50.07 | jetscreamer | Sirius_Black, automagically |
| 11:50.08 | slazh | phorce1: ok :) |
| 11:50.49 | aurax | are there any extras? |
| 11:51.03 | phorce1 | slazh: I have "fred" for that. A Flintstone is technologically challenged and should be severely limited <grin> |
| 11:51.12 | PerfDave | aurax: There are *hundreds* of Debian repositories. |
| 11:51.24 | slazh | phorce1: rofl ;D |
| 11:51.27 | aurax | well how to find them |
| 11:51.35 | sussudio | one *million* debian repositories! |
| 11:51.38 | PerfDave | aurax: Why do you need them? |
| 11:51.56 | aurax | there are some applications i couldnt install and i know that there is a port for it for debian |
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| 11:52.06 | aurax | i thought i could apt-get it with enhanced sources.list |
| 11:52.10 | PerfDave | aurax: You wait until you have a problem, then you find a repository that has the packages you need. Sticking them all in will give you problems and breakages because they're not official. |
| 11:52.14 | PerfDave | aurax: What application? |
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| 11:52.23 | PerfDave | !tell aurax -about smart questions |
| 11:52.41 | jetscreamer | !tell aurax about marillat |
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| 11:52.43 | aurax | !tell PerfDave -about smart !command line bots |
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| 11:52.48 | phorce1 | aurax: using the .us.debian.org ones actually rotates you through the officail mirrors round-robin style. So if an apt-get is having trouble connecting just kill it and start it again. |
| 11:53.03 | PerfDave | aurax: WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO INSTALL? |
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| 11:53.16 | jetscreamer | !wayttd aurax |
| 11:53.16 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, aurax? |
| 11:53.29 | aurax | acroread |
| 11:53.34 | streuner___ | PerfDave: don't yell, and don't insult people |
| 11:53.42 | aurax | yo i went to shell to see the name |
| 11:53.52 | PerfDave | streuner___: Who's insulting people? |
| 11:54.10 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner>----> |
| 11:54.12 | streuner___ | its a sort of prevention |
| 11:54.26 | PerfDave | streuner: Just get off my case, will you? |
| 11:55.30 | TinoW | anyone experiences with pxelinux and can help with configuration? For me it appears its ignoring the config options |
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| 11:56.36 | t0ffel | how can I be sure what the bus identifier i supposed to be? I think it's either PCI:1:0:0 or 0:1:0 :P |
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| 11:56.49 | zignig | t0ffel: lspci |
| 11:56.52 | PerfDave | aurax: http://www.apt-get.org/ contains lists of unofficial repositories. A google for "acroread debian -ubuntu" gives http://wiki.debian.net/?Acrobat which suggests that acroread is in Marillat; /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 11:57.04 | PerfDave | t0ffel: Unless you have multiple video cards, you should be able to leave the bus ID blank. |
| 11:57.12 | jetscreamer | t0ffel, it's 0, usually for the first agp, but you cn leave that blank |
| 11:57.19 | jetscreamer | what PerfDave said |
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| 11:57.24 | zignig | PerfDave: xpdf is workable ( unless they are encrypted ) |
| 11:57.51 | elirips | hello people. whenever i leave my laptop in standby for some hours, when i come back the clock is totaly wrong set. any ideas what's going wrong? |
| 11:57.54 | t0ffel | ok, thanks |
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| 11:58.29 | PerfDave | zignig: I'm assuming that aurax has exhausted other possibilities. Either that or I don't care. |
| 11:58.31 | aurax | thanks alote |
| 11:58.42 | aurax | working |
| 11:58.58 | PerfDave | elirips: Could be that your laptop's CMOS battery is knackered? |
| 11:58.59 | jetscreamer | [05.52.46] <jetscreamer> !tell aurax about marillat |
| 11:59.24 | zignig | OW! |
| 11:59.36 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Are you psychic or something? |
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| 11:59.56 | jetscreamer | PerfDave, i speak n00b |
| 12:00.06 | zignig | PerfDave: at least you care ;P |
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| 12:00.16 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 12:00.34 | elirips | PerfDave: The laptop is not older than one year, i *think* not.. |
| 12:00.35 | clojster | can somebody help me with kill signals? |
| 12:00.43 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Wow, you can translate "is there a good sources.list file somewhere for debian-sarge (testing) with extra repositories" into "I need a package from marillat"? |
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| 12:01.39 | jm_ | clojster: yes, there is someone who can |
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| 12:01.48 | phorce1 | elirips: if you shut it down (all the way off) does the clock go wonky when you reboot after some time? |
| 12:01.49 | jetscreamer | PerfDave, he had a nice stock list, what else is there? :) |
| 12:01.54 | clojster | jm_: is it you? :) |
| 12:01.54 | ricky_clarkson | clojster: A little man called man can. |
| 12:02.06 | ricky_clarkson | !man kill |
| 12:02.25 | noid2 | how do you find next in editor ? |
| 12:02.40 | noid2 | ^W finds once how do you find next ? |
| 12:02.46 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Ubuntu's repositories for installing xorg on your Debian system! :) |
| 12:02.48 | elirips | phorcel: no, it only goes wrong when i got it running for one day (wrong about 1h afterwards), or if i leave it in standby for 4-5 hours (afterwards wrong about 10 - 12 hours). |
| 12:02.56 | jetscreamer | ctrl f in some editors |
| 12:02.59 | PerfDave | noid2: In which editor? |
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| 12:03.09 | noid2 | debian editor |
| 12:03.12 | noid2 | editor |
| 12:03.16 | clojster | ricky_clarkson: ok, but I'd like to know which signal uses apps to quit regularry... |
| 12:03.21 | jetscreamer | err ctrl g |
| 12:03.22 | PerfDave | noid2: Which editor? There is no "debian editor"? |
| 12:03.29 | jetscreamer | Noid, no such animal |
| 12:03.35 | jm_ | clojster: be more specific |
| 12:03.41 | ricky_clarkson | The default signal for kill is TERM |
| 12:03.45 | noid2 | the one that install by default |
| 12:03.58 | noid2 | when i type editor in bash |
| 12:04.02 | Gathond | noid2: i believe there are several :) |
| 12:04.13 | clojster | jm_: I'd like to quit xmms and regullary when I end my X session... |
| 12:04.14 | ricky_clarkson | noid2: update-alternatives --config sensible-editor |
| 12:04.27 | noid2 | nano |
| 12:04.29 | ricky_clarkson | !dict regullary |
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| 12:04.32 | dpkg | could not find definition for regullary |
| 12:04.44 | phorce1 | elirips: OK, that's wierd. Gets off by 1 hour every 24h when running? |
| 12:04.46 | ricky_clarkson | clojster: Speak Engrish, futhermucker! |
| 12:04.48 | noid2 | its nano |
| 12:05.07 | clojster | ricky_clarkson: sory |
| 12:05.17 | johnnyST | Is there some program that can open Wordperfect files in sarge? |
| 12:05.25 | ricky_clarkson | johnnyST: antiword? |
| 12:05.37 | johnnyST | I taught abiword could do that but it dose not seems so. |
| 12:05.43 | zignig | johnnyST: open office should open them |
| 12:05.53 | johnnyST | zignig, no. |
| 12:05.58 | phorce1 | clojster: anything running in X should die gracefully when you log out of the X session. |
| 12:06.15 | elirips | phorcel: not exactly, i did not measure it exactly, i just noticed in the last days that almost every day i had to set the clock again.. but only if i've been working for some time.. about 1 hour wrong.. not exactly one hour.. |
| 12:06.17 | zignig | johnnyST: hmmm |
| 12:06.42 | zignig | elirips: install ntpdate ( and get time of the interthingy ) |
| 12:06.59 | clojster | ricky_clarkson: I meant correctly |
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| 12:07.06 | phorce1 | elirips: sounds like you need to ins.... what zignig said |
| 12:07.13 | ricky_clarkson | The default signal for kill is TERM |
| 12:07.14 | jetscreamer | noid2, lynx /usr/share/doc/nano/faq.html |
| 12:07.20 | ricky_clarkson | clojster: ^^ |
| 12:07.37 | jetscreamer | sending programs the term signal... you don't read your shutdown screen much eh |
| 12:07.37 | noid2 | thanks jet |
| 12:07.50 | elirips | phorcel: okay, i'll try that. |
| 12:07.58 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: does grub hide the shutdown stuff as well as the startup stuff? |
| 12:08.03 | Jacobo221 | is there anyway to have openoffice use aspell dicitonaries ? |
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| 12:08.07 | jetscreamer | never done grub |
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| 12:08.13 | ricky_clarkson | #openoffice.org |
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| 12:08.18 | ricky_clarkson | Jacobo221: Knee meither. |
| 12:08.25 | elirips | phorcel: it's just starnge it did not happen before... suddenly from one day after the oter it was like this. |
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| 12:08.36 | Jacobo221 | ricky_clarkson: uh? |
| 12:08.39 | phorce1 | elirips: BTW that's a "1" (ONE) at the end of my nick. |
| 12:08.45 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: ^^ |
| 12:08.51 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: Knee meither. |
| 12:08.55 | elirips | phorce1: sorry ;) |
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| 12:08.57 | ricky_clarkson | Jacobo221: friendly fire. |
| 12:08.58 | abrocadabro | how do I bypass proxy server in apt-get? we have mirror in the local network |
| 12:09.05 | phorce1 | elirips: It may be the battery after all. Or something new you installed that is eating clock ticks somewhere. |
| 12:09.06 | Jacobo221 | ricky_clarkson: ;) |
| 12:09.23 | zignig | abrocadabro: have a look at apt-proxy and apt-cache. |
| 12:09.35 | clojster | phorce1: when I exit flux and shutdown X, my xmms shuts down incorrectly - there is not saved last playlist... there is playlist from the last proper shutdown of xmms (from xmms menu) |
| 12:09.36 | zignig | abrocadabro: also the order in sources.list does matter. |
| 12:09.52 | zignig | abrocadabro: apt-cacher rather ;) |
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| 12:10.06 | phorce1 | elirips: a bad install of quake3 or one of the other online shootemups used to screw my clock up. |
| 12:10.50 | elirips | phorce1: don't have that.. or any games at all |
| 12:11.07 | phorce1 | clojster: you will probably always have to exit xmms from the menu to get it to save data like that. |
| 12:11.18 | zignig | elirips: not even the same game ! |
| 12:11.22 | clojster | phorce1: what a pitty |
| 12:11.40 | jetscreamer | bullshit, q3 doesntfuck shit up |
| 12:11.55 | jetscreamer | ah nm 'one of the other' |
| 12:12.08 | jm_ | clojster: you can use xmms-shell for example |
| 12:12.16 | jetscreamer | must be unreal |
| 12:12.19 | abrocadabro | zignig: to install apt-cacher one has to install apache and apache-common, does it sound right? do I have to be a web server? |
| 12:12.46 | phorce1 | clojster: stuff like autosaves are built into the programs. You can try killing it from an xterm with kill -15 and see if it saves. |
| 12:12.47 | clojster | jm_: ok, I'll go for it |
| 12:13.01 | clojster | phorce1: thanks |
| 12:13.04 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: it was probably UT |
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| 12:13.46 | zignig | abrocadabro: yes that's right , although it only needs a webserver with cgi; not just apache |
| 12:13.50 | phorce1 | elirips: you runnig X with anything that does intensive GL? I think that's what was causing my clock issues. |
| 12:13.56 | chino | what do you guys think about xandros ? |
| 12:14.04 | PerfDave | chino: It's shit ;) |
| 12:14.07 | jetscreamer | he's a nice guy |
| 12:14.09 | Trusus | it is a very good game:) |
| 12:14.10 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: could have been Wolfenstein too |
| 12:14.17 | zignig | abrocadabro: apt-proxy runs it own server but is _much_ slower than apt-cacher |
| 12:14.19 | chino | lol im just asking |
| 12:14.25 | Trusus | lol |
| 12:14.28 | Trusus | (not) |
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| 12:14.38 | elirips | phorce1: i am running X, but can't think of anything that useses extensive GL. actually i only use xmms, mozilla, firefox, kmail, konqueror, and java/javac. |
| 12:14.47 | Trusus | everybody on this side is gay and creeapy!! |
| 12:15.05 | jetscreamer | cron-apt is cool as shit, if you get tired of waiting for the updates to download when you apt-get upgrade |
| 12:15.18 | Trusus | gay people |
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| 12:15.32 | jetscreamer | i'm happy |
| 12:15.36 | jetscreamer | what's your point |
| 12:15.38 | jetscreamer | !gay |
| 12:15.38 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 12:15.47 | chino | because i know its debian and has apt-get so my friend is getting linux for first time i told him he should get xandros cause it has all the user freindly tools and is easy for a xp users pluss crossoveroffice he can insatll cedega and winehq plus then he can use apt-get to get thousands of deb packages!!! |
| 12:15.58 | Trusus | lol i just kidding:) |
| 12:16.01 | zignig | jetscreamer: apt-cacher and a apt-get -d upgrade does that for my machines. |
| 12:16.03 | Trusus | im norwegian |
| 12:16.10 | PerfDave | chino: It's not Debian. |
| 12:16.13 | jetscreamer | i'm texan |
| 12:16.14 | PerfDave | chino: It's xandros. |
| 12:16.21 | chino | but 3.0 is based on sarge.. |
| 12:16.25 | PerfDave | !based on |
| 12:16.31 | chino | are you telling me it doesn't have apt-get ? |
| 12:16.38 | chino | or the system to get deb files ? |
| 12:16.39 | PerfDave | !based on debian |
| 12:16.39 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 12:16.47 | abrocadabro | zignig: apt-cache show apt-cacher says apt-cacher performs caching of .deb packages which have been downloaded by local users. say my machine is in the university, and our server has a mirror which is at debian.anu.edu.au, and my host is xxx.anu.edu.au, is this the right situation where I should to use apt-cacher? |
| 12:16.55 | jetscreamer | zignig, with cron-apt i jsut apt-get upgrade |
| 12:16.55 | PerfDave | chino: You can get apt-get on Red Hat. Does that make it Debian? |
| 12:17.07 | chino | i know waht you maen |
| 12:17.22 | PerfDave | chino: Only Debian is Debian. Xandros is not Debian. It has its own problems, and is not supported here. |
| 12:17.26 | PerfDave | !xandros |
| 12:17.26 | dpkg | xandros is, like, a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 12:17.29 | chino | i just figured it was same but with there added tools |
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| 12:17.44 | chino | lol |
| 12:17.44 | zignig | abrocadabro: if you have more than one debian machine inside your network then yes. |
| 12:17.47 | chino | so it sucks ? |
| 12:17.50 | chino | you guys tried it ? |
| 12:17.53 | PerfDave | chino: No. You can install Debian and stick Cedega on it if you like. Apparently, Transgaming recommend using Sarge for Cedega. |
| 12:18.15 | zignig | abrocadabro: I run 6 debian machines at work and only have to download the packages once ( much nicer :) ) |
| 12:18.17 | PerfDave | chino: No, I don't need to run something that's less good than Debian when I have Debian still available. |
| 12:18.26 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: <jetscreamer> i'm texan <--- so am I |
| 12:18.27 | lazzer | I want to do a netinstall and need a bootcd with lynx what should i use? |
| 12:18.31 | chino | lol yes i get your point |
| 12:18.48 | chino | but i just read reviews saying xanrdos easy as xp bla bla |
| 12:19.00 | chino | so i figured for him would be good |
| 12:19.09 | reNegad3 | !mandrake |
| 12:19.09 | dpkg | mandrake is an extended version of Redhat that supports Kde. It is very nice and easy to use for new users and power users alike. It also pays many developers to work on Kde. Linux-Mandrake is found at mandrake.com. One of Enlightenment's main developers is also known as mandrake. easily and advisedly upgradeable to Debian ;), or "oh no... the duck distribution", or like a peugeot, but on your desk, or a piece of shit |
| 12:19.12 | zignig | chino: complete with spyware , weirdness and virii ? |
| 12:19.17 | abrocadabro | zignig: but I am not in charge of the debian mirror , I am just download from it, the reason I don't want to got through proxy is it gets slower |
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| 12:19.32 | chino | ok fine |
| 12:19.36 | PerfDave | chino: *shrug* Try it, try Debian, see which you like better. |
| 12:19.45 | chino | id go with debian |
| 12:19.47 | PerfDave | chino: Just remember that Xandros isn't supported by #debian. |
| 12:19.50 | chino | without even trying |
| 12:19.54 | chino | but for him is what im saying |
| 12:20.00 | zignig | abrocadabro: sure , but for multiple machines its a good thing. |
| 12:20.04 | chino | ok ok ok |
| 12:20.05 | chino | thanks |
| 12:20.06 | chino | :] |
| 12:20.13 | reNegad3 | !debian |
| 12:20.13 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 12:21.40 | abrocadabro | zignig: in firefox there is an option which you can specify some addresses which bypass the proxy, how can I do the same thing in apt-get? I really don't think pat-cacher suits my situation |
| 12:22.07 | Sirius_Black | jetscreamer, PerfDave 2.6.8-2-k7 (and headers) is fine. nVidia is also fine - everything works. I have one question tho' - which kernel source do i install which would match kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7? is it kernel-source-2.6.8? |
| 12:22.30 | CyzarX | any of u program for linux? if so, what programming tool is good that it can run on any desktop environment ? |
| 12:22.35 | zignig | abrocadabro: hmm I don't think you can ( don't quote me on that ). |
| 12:22.36 | lazzer | Is there any cdimage with lynx??? |
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| 12:22.50 | zignig | abrocadabro: what is your layout at the moment. |
| 12:23.12 | streuner | lazzer: just run lynx and push 'D' at the link |
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| 12:23.35 | abrocadabro | zignig: sorry? |
| 12:23.41 | alele | how can i add users in debian with a txt file with username/password |
| 12:23.56 | jetscreamer | Sirius_Black, source != headers |
| 12:23.59 | lazzer | streuner, i didnt have lynx :P |
| 12:24.03 | lazzer | that was the problem |
| 12:24.12 | streuner | lazzer: what do you have? |
| 12:24.12 | neko` | alele: scripting and expect |
| 12:24.15 | Sirius_Black | jetscreamer: wadda you mean dude |
| 12:24.22 | lazzer | streuner, i found now.. |
| 12:24.22 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: Why do you want to install a kernel source? |
| 12:24.31 | streuner | lazzer: have you download d-i (/msg dpkg d-i) yet? |
| 12:24.35 | jm_ | alele: man useradd; man chpasswd |
| 12:24.47 | jetscreamer | Sirius_Black, source is more for compiling your own kernels... there are some modules you have to have source not headers for,k to compile those modules, but usually all you need are the headers |
| 12:24.54 | Sirius_Black | PerfDave: In case i want to recompile kernel in future |
| 12:25.05 | chino | anyone in here use slackware and debian ? |
| 12:25.09 | jetscreamer | Sirius_Black, when you do, d/l it |
| 12:25.19 | lazzer | streuner, is sarge stable enough to use? |
| 12:25.20 | PerfDave | Sirius_Black: You shouldn't need to recompile it. The kernel-image packages should have everything you need. |
| 12:25.20 | jetscreamer | Sirius_Black, it gets updated |
| 12:25.25 | Sirius_Black | jetscreamer: ok but which one? |
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| 12:25.29 | Sirius_Black | which source |
| 12:25.30 | jetscreamer | 8 |
| 12:25.31 | Sirius_Black | 2.6.8? |
| 12:25.35 | Sirius_Black | aha ok kewl |
| 12:25.37 | Sirius_Black | tnx guys |
| 12:25.40 | jetscreamer | 8 for 8, 9 for 9 |
| 12:25.42 | zignig | abrocadabro: how many debian machines do you have locally ? |
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| 12:25.43 | streuner | lazzer: sarge is ok, but most people prefer still woody / stable for servers |
| 12:25.44 | jetscreamer | etc etc |
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| 12:25.57 | ciego_eterno | alguien habla español |
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| 12:26.00 | chealer | !es |
| 12:26.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:26.01 | ricky_clarkson | !spanish |
| 12:26.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:26.07 | lazzer | streuner, ok.. its for a server :) so i stick with woody =) |
| 12:26.08 | zignig | HOLA! |
| 12:26.18 | ricky_clarkson | ADIOS! |
| 12:26.18 | PerfDave | lazzer: Sarge doesn't have security updates, Woody does. |
| 12:26.25 | CyzarX | anyone of u program for linux? if so, which programming tool is good that it can run on any desktop environment ? |
| 12:26.33 | lazzer | PerfDave, ok.. |
| 12:26.37 | ricky_clarkson | CyzarX: Java. |
| 12:26.38 | directhex|work | CyzarX, any. |
| 12:26.51 | CyzarX | other than java? |
| 12:26.52 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 12:26.59 | zeeble | hehe |
| 12:26.59 | ciego_eterno | zignig, de donde eres killo |
| 12:27.03 | CyzarX | any linux desktop environment i mean |
| 12:27.04 | Coke | CyzarX: programming tool; gnu emacs is a good editor. |
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| 12:27.05 | PerfDave | CyzarX: What language do you want to program in? kdevelop is supposed to be good. |
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| 12:27.16 | jetscreamer | PerfDave, actually it's more like sarge's security updating function isn't a finished product, but there are some updates to it. |
| 12:27.20 | Coke | CyzarX: what does a desktop environment have to do with programming? |
| 12:27.22 | CyzarX | doesnt kdevelop for kde only ? |
| 12:27.26 | jetscreamer | but not all |
| 12:27.27 | PerfDave | CyzarX: There's Eclipse, which apparently now even runs with Free Java implementations. |
| 12:27.30 | directhex|work | CyzarX, KApp will run fine on Gnome, Gapp will run fine on KDE. there is nothing stopping you from using app 1 on desktop environment 2, other than the support libraries (which you may wish to compile statically) |
| 12:27.31 | zeeble | CyzarX: no |
| 12:27.31 | ciego_eterno | QUEEEE VIVAAAAAAAAAAAA ESPAÑAAAAAAAA |
| 12:27.36 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 12:27.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:27.43 | PerfDave | CyzarX: No, you can run KDE applications with any desktop environment, just like Gnome applications. |
| 12:27.56 | Coke | CyzarX: GNU Emacs is the _only_ thing you'll ever need to be proficient. |
| 12:28.02 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Uhm, no, the Debian Security Team are not currently producing security patches for Sarge. |
| 12:28.03 | directhex|work | CyzarX, my usual setup involves KDE and Gnome apps runnign on XFCE4 |
| 12:28.13 | PerfDave | Coke: Except for a text editor ;) |
| 12:28.16 | zignig | Coke: emacs is eeeeeevil! |
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| 12:28.27 | Coke | CyzarX: Or vim |
| 12:28.43 | Coke | CyzarX: you do NOT need a desktop environment, you need a good editor. |
| 12:28.43 | jetscreamer | where do i get the live install cd for emacs? |
| 12:28.45 | directhex|work | i like anjuta for code, though some of the kde dev tools are very good. if you're into qt. weirdos. |
| 12:28.55 | stew | jetscreamer: heh |
| 12:28.56 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, gnu.org/hurd ? |
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| 12:29.03 | ciego_eterno | KILLO OS COLAIS NADIE HABLA ESPAÑOL |
| 12:29.10 | CyzarX | ok |
| 12:29.11 | jetscreamer | kick ciego_eterno |
| 12:29.18 | CyzarX | which editor do u guys recomend? |
| 12:29.19 | jetscreamer | cayete guey |
| 12:29.19 | CyzarX | emacs? |
| 12:29.32 | ciego_eterno | jetscreamer, QUE? |
| 12:29.33 | PerfDave | !polls |
| 12:29.33 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 12:29.38 | aurax | is there linux app that can use the icq sms messenging service? |
| 12:29.40 | directhex|work | CyzarX, if you WANT the text editor approach, it's up to you. |
| 12:29.46 | directhex|work | aurax, many many many |
| 12:29.46 | jetscreamer | cual parte de 'cayete guey' |
| 12:29.50 | aurax | like |
| 12:29.55 | CyzarX | what are the options |
| 12:29.58 | jetscreamer | aurax, gaim |
| 12:30.03 | directhex|work | aurax, kopete and gaim? |
| 12:30.10 | aurax | kopete? |
| 12:30.12 | aurax | i got gaim here.. |
| 12:30.33 | directhex|work | aurax, so use gaim if you have gaim |
| 12:30.33 | jetscreamer | then what's the problem |
| 12:30.34 | reNegad3 | do you have to pay for that sms service?? |
| 12:30.40 | aurax | but u cant send sms with it |
| 12:30.52 | jetscreamer | what is sms |
| 12:30.53 | scarynetworkguy | !u |
| 12:30.53 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:30.55 | directhex|work | oh. the sms service. /me misread |
| 12:31.03 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: Text messages on a cell. |
| 12:31.06 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:31.23 | jetscreamer | nm i know nothing |
| 12:31.37 | CyzarX | directhex|work, what are the options? other than emac |
| 12:31.51 | scarynetworkguy | !tell CyzarX about smart questions |
| 12:31.54 | jetscreamer | gedit makes a good programming editor |
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| 12:31.58 | directhex|work | CyzarX, apt-cache search text editor. i'm not convinced it's what you really want though |
| 12:32.03 | jetscreamer | there is vim, very popular |
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| 12:32.19 | directhex|work | anjuta is one of the better gnomish programmer text editors. at least there's a compile button |
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| 12:33.10 | jetscreamer | quanta or anjuta |
| 12:33.32 | jetscreamer | nedit is cool |
| 12:33.39 | jetscreamer | but fugly |
| 12:33.50 | jetscreamer | errr butt fugly |
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| 12:34.00 | ciego_eterno | #devian-es |
| 12:34.04 | CyzarX | ok |
| 12:34.08 | CyzarX | thanks for the input |
| 12:34.21 | jetscreamer | ciego_eterno, it's /join #debian-es <-- or right click that |
| 12:34.28 | scarynetworkguy | And mentions that all of those will gimp you if you ever have to admin a *nix box that doesn't have them and they only thing you can count on is vi. |
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| 12:35.04 | jetscreamer | you forgot the -es |
| 12:35.29 | ricky_clarkson | ciego_eterno: #debian-es - es #debian con "-es". jajaja, estupido. |
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| 12:35.39 | stew | CyzarX: what scarynetworkguy said. i pretty much have been using emacs for 10 years or so exclusively for coding but also forced myself at some point to become proficient in vi for the reason he mentioned. /msg dpkg vimtutor |
| 12:35.41 | ricky_clarkson | I think I just called myself stupid. |
| 12:35.47 | phorce1 | haha -- the cop that pulled Kid Rock over after he punched the dj got fired because he got an autograph and din't administer a sobriety test. |
| 12:36.09 | streuner | haha |
| 12:36.33 | LunarFault | lol |
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| 12:36.51 | LunarFault | I didnt know cops could be fired |
| 12:36.54 | SocketERR | can anyone tell me a tool, that will do a alert action when there are new packages on security.debian.org? |
| 12:37.01 | ricky_clarkson | I can walk in a straight line and stuff when I'm drunk. |
| 12:37.09 | ricky_clarkson | I'm a dancer. |
| 12:37.13 | luctor | how do I find what program is using the audio device right now |
| 12:37.26 | SocketERR | luctor, try lsof |
| 12:37.28 | ricky_clarkson | I can spin looking straight up at the sky when I'm drunk. |
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| 12:38.25 | luctor | SocketERR: i did, but it is a mile long and | grep /dev/psaux didnt give me anything |
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| 12:39.09 | streuner | phorce1: the whole sounds for me like an PR gag :-) |
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| 12:39.17 | streuner | phorce1: story* |
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| 12:40.16 | stew | luctor: /dev/psaux is your mouse, you probably wanted /dev/dsp or somethihng |
| 12:40.36 | luctor | stew: ofcourse :-) thx |
| 12:40.48 | Space_NL | so i installed php4, apache was already working, but i changed the config to php4 module, to open php files, en to use index.php .. but when i try to access a .php file is does not display, it asks if i want to open or save the file .. |
| 12:41.08 | stew | Space_NL: you need an AddType directive for php in your apache config |
| 12:41.13 | Space_NL | while the php file is oke, cos i leased it from a server where it was working on |
| 12:41.41 | phorce1 | streuner: probably, but he's known to be anal when drunk. He left the club so he would be 'sobered up' before he got picked up and booked so he wouldn't STAY anal when dealing with the police. He got pulled over and the cop was just wanting an autograph. Not uncommon but he smelled of alcohol and the cop ignored it (or was a starstruck idiot and didn't even notice) |
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| 12:43.51 | phorce1 | streuner: the incident at the club hadn't gome out on the radio yet when the cop stopped him so he didn't know about the brawl. |
| 12:44.02 | slazh | phorce1: any chance you know how I could set PAM to ask for a password for a specific group? |
| 12:44.04 | Space_NL | stew: i did add the addfile directivy, for .php and .phps (application/x-httpd-php .php) etc. |
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| 12:44.54 | stew | Space_NL: make sure you have a LoadModule for libphp4 then |
| 12:44.56 | streuner | phorce1: hm, do you think really he (Kid Rock) didn't know what happens when he goes into a disco at a place where even cops want autograms of him? ;-) |
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| 12:45.08 | phorce1 | slazh: remove the "trust" keyword in whatever /etc/pam.d file it's in. I think the links I was reviewing earlier showed "trust" as the keyword that made it NOT ask for PW. |
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| 12:45.49 | slazh | phorce1: I did that and it does ask for a password, but then fails again. |
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| 12:46.58 | Space_NL | stew: aah, thnx .. apt told me he would add the line .. but it was commented out .. thnx! |
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| 12:47.22 | phorce1 | slazh: hehe round-and-round we go |
| 12:47.24 | scarynetworkguy | infodroid: Do *not* msg me. EVER! |
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| 12:48.19 | phorce1 | streuner: he punched the guy because he thought he had badmothed one of his buddies. The argument had nothing to do with him, he just jumped in. Just like any "bad drunk". |
| 12:48.46 | phorce1 | slazh: Maybe it was a keyword other than "trust" |
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| 12:49.59 | PerfDave | SocketERR: Subscribe to the debian-security-announce mailing list |
| 12:50.02 | alele | how can i add a user in samba with password in a txt file? |
| 12:50.11 | ricky_clarkson | #samba |
| 12:51.06 | ravn | anyone: I have got Kernel 2.6 and whants to rip my CD's to OGG but it takea realy long time (2-3 h) for just one CD. what is wrong? I Beleved 2.6 should support direct acess.. |
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| 12:51.39 | slazh | phorce1: indeed :) .. i've just checked /etc/security/access.conf, and it's all commented out. Is that a good thing? :) |
| 12:51.46 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 12:51.46 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
| 12:52.01 | PerfDave | ravn: Do you have DMA enabled? What are you using to rip the CDs, and what are you using to encode? |
| 12:52.15 | phorce1 | slazh: once again, not a clue because I'm not using PAM |
| 12:52.34 | phorce1 | slazh: I'm just a good googler <grin> |
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| 12:52.47 | ravn | PerfDave: Is there anything mor than to include the new drivers in the kernel to have DMA; abcde and oggencode. |
| 12:52.50 | slazh | phorce1: ahyes, i forgot that your not using PAM :) |
| 12:52.57 | takatumi | googlephorce? |
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| 12:53.21 | fairway | hi |
| 12:53.30 | fairway | which package contains gmix? |
| 12:53.38 | PerfDave | ravn: You can use hdparm to check whether DMA is enabled. |
| 12:53.38 | phorce1 | slazh: on my non-pam system it is also all commented out |
| 12:53.46 | streuner | fairway: why do you ask? |
| 12:53.50 | takatumi | !tell fairway -about search |
| 12:53.51 | fairway | because i need it |
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| 12:54.00 | fairway | doesn't help |
| 12:54.11 | streuner | and you don't know factoid search after years in here? |
| 12:54.19 | fairway | nope |
| 12:54.52 | takatumi | fairway: why not? |
| 12:54.59 | fairway | never used it |
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| 12:56.31 | takatumi | the "t" above got bobbitized. |
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| 12:57.08 | fairway | you only have to answer my question, not to ask why I ask. |
| 12:57.17 | takatumi | fairway: fuck off then. |
| 12:57.20 | streuner | haha |
| 12:57.39 | phorce1 | "have to answer" HAHAHHAHAHA |
| 12:58.10 | streuner | fairway: we aren't 'answering machines' ;-) |
| 12:58.22 | takatumi | PerfDave: you have to answer now! |
| 12:58.25 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Hmmmmm? :) |
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| 12:58.34 | sussudio | !fist fairway |
| 12:58.38 | PerfDave | takatumi: TESTIFY! |
| 12:59.30 | clojster | what does this mean, when I exit flux I get this error: |
| 12:59.39 | ravn | PerfDave: thanx, now How do I interperate the output ;-) (I ran -I /dev/cdrom) |
| 12:59.41 | clojster | waiting for X server to shut down XIO: fatal error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
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| 13:01.08 | PerfDave | ravn: Uhm, "hdparm -d /dev/cdrom" may help |
| 13:02.32 | fairway | apt-file must be new then |
| 13:02.46 | jm_ | it's not that new |
| 13:02.52 | streuner | heh, apt-file is even in woody... |
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| 13:03.06 | jm_ | indeed |
| 13:03.10 | fairway | but not in potatoe |
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| 13:03.24 | streuner | !info apt-file potato |
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| 13:03.31 | totzilla | i have a linksys wireless card wmp11 v.4 installed in fedora with ndiswrapper , i want to install debian does the debian cd install support this card or will i have to do the ndiswrapper to get it running? |
| 13:04.03 | fairway | and it looks like the took gmix out |
| 13:04.07 | takatumi | totzilla: if it was a v.3, probably yes, v.4, tough luck |
| 13:04.35 | totzilla | thanks takatumi i'll try to be prepared then |
| 13:04.36 | streuner | fairway: so you use potato? |
| 13:04.46 | fairway | i used to |
| 13:05.42 | phorce1 | fairway gmix comes up in an apt-file search. Did you do the apt-file update? |
| 13:05.57 | phorce1 | fairway: (woody) |
| 13:06.17 | dbron | I love nostalgia |
| 13:06.20 | fairway | yes |
| 13:06.33 | fairway | but this here is sarge |
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| 13:07.35 | fairway | i would like to know why sound is working anymore. xmms plays fine but just no sound. |
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| 13:07.42 | fairway | isnt' |
| 13:07.49 | takatumi | fairway: alsa? |
| 13:07.50 | jm_ | mixer settings, are you using ALSA? |
| 13:07.54 | jetscreamer | gmix is in gnome-media-something |
| 13:07.54 | fairway | alsa yea |
| 13:07.55 | streuner | fairway: new kernel? |
| 13:07.57 | phorce1 | fairway: Ahh -- not on a sarge box at the moment |
| 13:07.58 | jm_ | read ALSA FAQ |
| 13:08.06 | fairway | i tried with 2.6.10 and aumix |
| 13:08.17 | fairway | is it b0rked? |
| 13:08.22 | streuner | so a custom kernel |
| 13:08.26 | takatumi | fairway: sure it ain't muted? |
| 13:08.26 | fairway | debian |
| 13:08.36 | ravn | PerfDave: Uhm, didn't work very well. I did hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom, and now I can't get anyting of the CD at all - abcde can't find anything ;-( |
| 13:08.40 | jetscreamer | not it's not the b0rked distro... lol |
| 13:08.45 | streuner | fairway: did you read BTS about? |
| 13:08.52 | fairway | i will check |
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| 13:09.33 | fritz[] | ppl |
| 13:09.36 | fabietto | hi at all! :-) |
| 13:09.41 | fritz[] | how can I turn ON the DMA? |
| 13:09.49 | fritz[] | hdparm -X -d1 /dev/hda gives me error |
| 13:10.00 | fritz[] | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 13:10.10 | takatumi | lots of DMA problems, new bug? |
| 13:10.14 | streuner | fritz[]: don't use the X option if you really know what you are doing |
| 13:10.37 | fabietto | i'm tyring to use my wireless pcmcia adapter (d-link dwl-g630) with ndiswrapper |
| 13:10.53 | fritz[] | streuner: ok, np. I get error without -X also |
| 13:10.59 | fabietto | i installed the correct drivers for my card, but how can i find the pci id of this card? |
| 13:11.23 | phorce1 | fabietto: lspci |
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| 13:11.54 | streuner | fritz[]: official kernel image or custom kernel? |
| 13:11.55 | fabietto | phorcel: i tried, but i can't understand which is the id... :-/ |
| 13:11.59 | snail | I'm having a problem with enigmail 0.90.0.0 / debian thunderbird version 1.0 (20050116). When signing outgoing messages quoted portions of the message are wrapped breaking the flow and looking very ugly. is there a way to avoid this? |
| 13:12.08 | phorce1 | crap -- it's 7am and I haven't been to bed |
| 13:12.16 | streuner | gnite |
| 13:12.21 | fritz[] | streuner : 2.6.7 kernel. Stable :) |
| 13:12.29 | phorce1 | fabietto: wiat one, lemme lok at the output on my box |
| 13:12.44 | streuner | fritz[]: stable woody? |
| 13:13.12 | fritz[] | streuner: yes. I've d/l-ed that kernel into woody |
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| 13:13.18 | ricky_clarkson | !stable woody |
| 13:13.18 | dpkg | it has been said that stable woody is WHEN ITS READY, or apt-get install viagra |
| 13:13.29 | streuner | fritz[]: where did you get that kernel from? |
| 13:13.31 | ricky_clarkson | !factinfo stable woody |
| 13:13.31 | dpkg | stable woody -- last modified at Thu Oct 2 15:08:00 2003 by ricky_clarkson!~ricky@host-0141.bh.salford.ac.uk; it has been requested 4 times, last by ricky_clarkson, 13s ago. |
| 13:13.44 | fritz[] | streuner: www.kernel.org ? |
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| 13:13.48 | ricky_clarkson | Woohoo, I've been here ages now. |
| 13:13.49 | phorce1 | fabietto: the pci ID is the set of numbers at the beginning of each line (00:00.1 etc) |
| 13:13.59 | fritz[] | streuner: tarball |
| 13:14.28 | streuner | fritz[]: so its an custom kernel, just run 'make config' again and enable DMA |
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| 13:14.44 | fritz[] | streuner: ok, thank you on your help |
| 13:14.52 | stew | fritz[]: of save yourself a bunch of trouble and just apt-get yourself a kernel |
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| 13:15.11 | streuner | fritz[]: server or desktop? |
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| 13:15.20 | Chaudasse | http://www.idpz.net/team_concept/ |
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| 13:15.28 | fritz[] | stew : thank you, but I'll d/l 2.6.10 anyway ... |
| 13:15.38 | takatumi | fairway: btw, try alsamixer |
| 13:15.39 | fritz[] | streuner : desktop .. Laptop |
| 13:15.53 | fairway | yea |
| 13:15.57 | streuner | fritz[]: install sarge, /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 13:16.15 | fabietto | phorcel: i tried with the command "ndiswrapper -d 0000:02:00.0 mrv8k51" but the answer is: "0000:02:00.0 is not a valid PCIID" |
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| 13:16.33 | fairway | ah yes |
| 13:16.35 | fairway | working again now |
| 13:16.35 | streuner | fritz[]: sarge has a bunch of kernels avaiable, 2.6.8 is the latest |
| 13:16.36 | fairway | thanks |
| 13:16.48 | streuner | !kernel avail |
| 13:16.48 | dpkg | [kernel avail] http://people.debian.org/~dannf/kernel-stats/kernel-avail.html |
| 13:16.57 | ricky_clarkson | !attack Knoppix with a plague of 'rm /etc/debian_version' |
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| 13:17.28 | MaSterNet | hello |
| 13:17.58 | PerfDave | ravn: Taht would seem to be bad. Does "hdparm -d0 /dev/cdrom" restore it to its previous state? |
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| 13:18.30 | ravn | PerfDave: yes |
| 13:18.46 | PerfDave | ravn: What kernel did you say you were using? This is a standard IDE CD-ROM, right? |
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| 13:19.20 | MaSterNet | I've to compile an util who needs kdb2html ... but it isn't in kdelibs4-dev ... kdb2html was in kdelibs-dev. I don't know how can I install this util. |
| 13:19.25 | jcook | is it possible to have 2 interfaces (eth0 and wlan0) with IP's on the same subnet (ie 192.168.0)? ... When I have the both up networking stops working |
| 13:19.46 | PerfDave | jcook: It is technically possible, but it doesn't make sense. |
| 13:19.52 | PerfDave | jcook: Why do you want this? |
| 13:19.57 | ravn | PerfDave: kernel 2.6.7, it's an std. cdrom for all that I know. |
| 13:20.17 | phorce1 | fabietto: (that's a "1" [ONE] at the end of my nick) Too many numbers. Shorten it to 02:00.0 |
| 13:20.38 | jcook | PerfDave: when im away from the desk .. eth0 is not available ... but when I am at the desk ... 100mbps is faster than 11mbps |
| 13:20.54 | idnar | phorce1: /nick phorceONE ;) |
| 13:20.56 | sml | to generate an XF86Config file is there a dpkg-reconfigure "package-name" that will generate it rather than using xf86config ? |
| 13:21.07 | PerfDave | sml: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:21.08 | stew | jcook: then ifdown wlan0 befire you ifup eth0 |
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| 13:21.09 | jcook | PerfDave: its a laptop ... I was hoping i would be able to have it work like doze |
| 13:21.10 | porridge | hi |
| 13:21.12 | PerfDave | sml: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 13:21.15 | PerfDave | jcook: Hang on a sec. |
| 13:21.30 | porridge | what's the difference between sysklogd and inetutils-syslogd ? |
| 13:21.37 | jcook | stew: im not looking for a temp hack |
| 13:21.40 | ricky_clarkson | phorce1: It's odd really because in handwriting the difference is always clear. |
| 13:21.50 | PerfDave | jcook: Look at the laptop-net, divine and whereami packages |
| 13:22.03 | fabietto | phorce1: i'm sorry for the error! :-/ anyway, the program give me another "not a valid PCI ID" |
| 13:22.27 | phorce1 | idnar: I suppose that would work. Just link that to this nick and use it instead. |
| 13:22.29 | PerfDave | jcook: They should allow you to do ifdown wlan0; ifup eth0 when you plug in a network cable (and the opposite when you unplug it) |
| 13:22.33 | jcook | PerfDave: so your saying linux cant have both the interfaces up? |
| 13:22.41 | PerfDave | jcook: I'm not saying that. |
| 13:22.45 | sml | PerfDave: thanks.. |
| 13:22.47 | PerfDave | jcook: I'm saying that it makes no sense. |
| 13:22.57 | jcook | PerfDave: why not? |
| 13:23.12 | PerfDave | jcook: It makes no sense to have two interfaces on the same subnet. Your network config is screwed. |
| 13:23.15 | jcook | PerfDave: what is the purpose of the metric field in route? |
| 13:23.15 | phorce1 | fabietto: Paste JUST THE ONE LINE from lspci that you think points to your NIC |
| 13:23.35 | jcook | PerfDave: they are both dhcp |
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| 13:23.56 | fabietto | phorce1: 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface |
| 13:24.15 | PerfDave | jcook: your network config is still screwed. Anyway, I have a meeting. There are packages which will let you use the wired network when it is available and the wireless otherwise, which as far as I can see solves your problem. |
| 13:24.17 | jcook | PerfDave: so ... doze "shouldn't" be working ? |
| 13:24.20 | stew | jcook: the metric field is ignored by the linux kernel |
| 13:24.40 | jcook | stew: im not talking ifconfig ... im talking route |
| 13:24.45 | stew | jcook: yes, i know |
| 13:24.53 | PerfDave | jcook: I don't know what your Windows configuration is, but it makes no sense to have two active interfaces on the same interface. It will work, but it makes no sense. |
| 13:24.58 | phorce1 | fabietto: hmmmm -- my lspci output doesn't have the xtra stuff there. 00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 02) |
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| 13:26.12 | fabietto | phorce1: should be a question regarding some parameters to pass to lspci, but i can't understand which parameters... |
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| 13:26.40 | jcook | PerfDave: it makes perfect sence in doze ... a wireless gets a metric of 30, the cat5 gets a metic of 20 ... eth0 gets routing preference |
| 13:26.41 | greycat | man lspci |
| 13:26.54 | phorce1 | fabietto: All I typed to get that output was 'lspci [ENTER]' |
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| 13:27.00 | fabietto | greycat: i tried, but i can't find anything useful |
| 13:27.11 | stew | jcook: if you *really* want to handle it that way, start reading at lartc.org, but you don't, you want to look at one of those packages that PerfDave pointed you to |
| 13:27.35 | stew | jcook: of you could just ifdown wlan0 ; ifup eth0 |
| 13:27.53 | orfeu | how i install alsa ? |
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| 13:28.14 | johan | what format do i use to bundle files i need to send to window people |
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| 13:28.28 | mulan | just one question does Debian woody or sarge support a Adaptec 2010s zero Channel Controller? Does someone running such a controller with a raid system? |
| 13:28.43 | greycat | johan: .zip or .tar.gz |
| 13:28.52 | fabietto | phorce1: lspci --version i've got version 2.1.11 you too? |
| 13:29.00 | johan | they can open tar.gz? |
| 13:29.02 | ricky_clarkson | johan: .zip |
| 13:29.04 | greycat | johan: winzip can, yes. |
| 13:29.12 | johan | oh great |
| 13:29.15 | kkristin | is der an opensource software that monitors the software installed on the desktops? |
| 13:29.19 | ricky_clarkson | Afaik, Windows XP's native file opening stuff can't handle .tar.gz |
| 13:29.19 | jcook | stew: I dont see those as "the answer" the problem .... but then ... I still haven't found out why the configs dont work ... ill keep searching/leaning |
| 13:29.20 | greycat | of course winzip is shareware... |
| 13:29.22 | phorce1 | fabietto: 2.1.9 on woody |
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| 13:29.58 | stew | jcook: to do it the way you want, you need to read stuff on lartc.org, its not going to be remotely easy |
| 13:30.27 | jcook | OK .. reading larc.org |
| 13:30.43 | sml | i've never had much success with LARC |
| 13:30.59 | sml | jcook: what is it you wanna do ? |
| 13:31.01 | infodroid | orfeu: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 13:31.17 | johan | tar -c bla.tar.gz bla |
| 13:31.20 | johan | is that it |
| 13:31.44 | phorce1 | fabietto: Ahh -- lspci on a sarge box with 2.1.11 shows output like yours |
| 13:31.48 | greycat | johan: /msg dpkg tar man tar |
| 13:31.51 | sml | johan: I would suggest man tar |
| 13:32.03 | greycat | unlike many other pages, "man tar" actually has EXAMPLES |
| 13:32.11 | johan | great |
| 13:32.12 | jcook | sml: get eth0 and wlan0 working the way a doze user would exect it to ... (without having a clue what a network is hmmm) |
| 13:32.21 | fabietto | phorce1: great, i'm using a debian sarge |
| 13:32.30 | sml | jcook: sorry i dont understand the question. |
| 13:32.35 | greycat | not necessarily the ones I would've chosen, but at least it has some. |
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| 13:32.50 | sml | I guess that's because I'm not a doze user :) |
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| 13:33.03 | stew | sml: he wants it such that when he has both wired and wireless networks active on the same network both interfaces are up but the wired one is preferred |
| 13:33.12 | phorce1 | fabietto: you're going to have to dig in the ndiswrapper documentation to see what it will accept as a valid PCI ID |
| 13:33.13 | stew | sml: by assigning metrics to each |
| 13:33.14 | hennewou | Hi, I live in belgium (+1 GMT) and when I restart my laptop, the system time changes with one hour (instead of 14:30 , I get 15:30. Anyone knows how I can resolve this problem? |
| 13:33.25 | sml | stew: he needs to use ip route 2 |
| 13:33.29 | jcook | sml: I have ifplugd installed ... when I have both eth0 and wlan0 working ... the network stops working |
| 13:33.29 | jharrisonwk | !find sunbird |
| 13:33.38 | stew | sml: yes, that is why i sent him to lartc.org |
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| 13:33.48 | sml | jcook: you need to look at TOS , netfilter.. packet marking, mangliing and ip route 2 |
| 13:33.54 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sunbird' returned no results. |
| 13:34.02 | jharrisonwk | dang |
| 13:34.07 | sml | jcook: and it aint gonna a) be easy , b) it may not work even if you get it right :) |
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| 13:34.40 | sml | I'm still having issues load balancing using two default routes... :( it works for about a week then stops. |
| 13:35.00 | stew | sml: can you just use bonding? bondig is pretty easy to get working |
| 13:35.02 | phorce1 | fabietto: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/Installation |
| 13:35.42 | directhex|work | !find mozilla-calendar |
| 13:35.49 | dpkg | mozilla-calendar: (Todo organizer,calendar and reminder,integrated with Mozilla suite), section devel, is optional. Version: 2:1.7.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 393 kB, Installed size: 1872 kB |
| 13:35.55 | stew | sml: read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the kernel source tree |
| 13:35.59 | phorce1 | fabietto: search for the section that starts with " Instead, you need to download appropriate" and read how to find the PCI ID in that section |
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| 13:37.27 | phorce1 | fabietto: you need to run lspci -n and find the line that starts with 0000:02:00.0 -- the third column on that line is the PCI ID |
| 13:37.29 | sml | stew: What do you mean by bonding? I have two ADSL routers in front of my firewall. I tell my firewall to round robin them and I use advanced routing to make sure that some types of network traffic use just one of those routes ALL the time (for security reasons).. I did this using ip route add default scope global equalize nexthop via 1stgwip dev eth1 nexthop via 2ndgwip dev eth1 |
| 13:37.30 | fabietto | phorce1: yes, i was reading... i found my ID! :-) 104c:9066 |
| 13:37.42 | fabietto | phorce1: thank you for your precious help! |
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| 13:38.02 | sml | stew: and it works fine... but then after a week or so of use... i look at my advanced routes and one of the default gw's will be down. |
| 13:38.07 | phorce1 | I like to learn new things -- even if I'm not using them at the moment |
| 13:38.21 | takatumi | hennewou: is your hardware clock set to UTC? |
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| 13:38.34 | sml | stew: this method allows me to bond an ADSL and a cable modem and an ISDN router and any type of device together effectively. |
| 13:38.40 | stew | sml: never mind then, bonding is for when you have 2 interfaces with the same route, i misread your first statement |
| 13:38.47 | chealer | mozilla-calendar is in section devel :? |
| 13:39.33 | hennewou | takatumi: how can I know this? |
| 13:39.41 | takatumi | hennewou: hwclock |
| 13:39.44 | jharrisonwk | cool |
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| 13:39.53 | phorce1 | Tonight (today) I've learned some about PAM and using ndiswrapper -- and in the "I'm using it category" I set up an eth0:1 alias and rewired my network to allow local machines to talk to each other using local addresses. |
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| 13:40.01 | sml | stew: you should be able to use METRIC (hop count) to control routing but it doesn't allways seem to work |
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| 13:40.07 | soppman | hey |
| 13:40.07 | Hamtarorist | hi everyone |
| 13:40.15 | soppman | could someone recommend a good file manager? |
| 13:40.17 | soppman | dont like gentoo |
| 13:40.18 | sml | ip route2, is quite funky though. had lots of fun with it :) |
| 13:40.19 | stew | sml: metric, like in the routing table? |
| 13:40.24 | jethro | !xorg |
| 13:40.25 | dpkg | xorg is, like, xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. "Debian will move to Xorg the day Duke Nukem Forever is released." |
| 13:40.25 | sml | stew: yes. |
| 13:40.35 | stew | sml: no, matric is ignored by linux kernel |
| 13:40.38 | dbron | sml: iproute2 is magic |
| 13:40.39 | stew | err metric |
| 13:40.43 | Hamtarorist | anyone here can help me? |
| 13:40.44 | chealer | soppman: gentoo is a file manager? |
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| 13:40.50 | soppman | chealer, yes |
| 13:40.53 | sml | stew: Ah.. that explains why it always seems to ignore it! :) |
| 13:41.02 | soppman | atleast there is a file manager called gentoo |
| 13:41.19 | chealer | soppman: hehe, are there binaries of it? :) |
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| 13:41.25 | soppman | i guess |
| 13:41.26 | directhex|work | !info gentoo |
| 13:41.29 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sid), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 13:41.33 | Hamtarorist | !info debian |
| 13:41.36 | cahoot | soppman: you want pictures or text? |
| 13:41.43 | soppman | pictures |
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| 13:41.46 | stew | chealer: gentoo is kinda like a gtk version of mc |
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| 13:41.54 | chealer | soppman: you're not using any particular DE? |
| 13:42.00 | soppman | DE? |
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| 13:42.05 | chealer | Desktop Environment |
| 13:42.12 | soppman | fluxbox |
| 13:42.20 | ricky_clarkson | fluxbox is a wm. |
| 13:42.23 | soppman | i see |
| 13:42.23 | ricky_clarkson | afaik |
| 13:42.26 | hennewou | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.29 | soppman | well not gnome or kde if thats what you mean |
| 13:42.42 | chealer | that's what I meant, so I have no suggestion |
| 13:42.47 | infodroid | !timezone |
| 13:42.47 | dpkg | [timezone] "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
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| 13:43.10 | Venusbeauty | hello |
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| 13:43.17 | Venusbeauty | some body is here?? |
| 13:43.22 | Venusbeauty | bitch |
| 13:43.24 | Venusbeauty | ... |
| 13:43.28 | soppman | i are here |
| 13:43.30 | Hamtarorist | ok here is my problem, i install debian...gui doesn't want to start, but i did "apt-get install speedbar" It installs fine, here is the n00b questiHow do i run it? |
| 13:43.33 | idnar | !hello Venusbeauty |
| 13:43.35 | xpato | how can i setup the default characte codification for use in gnome-terminal? |
| 13:43.42 | Ronin | come on coffee time already |
| 13:43.44 | Venusbeauty | http://www.idpz.net/team_concept/tcbitchgogoXXX |
| 13:43.47 | Venusbeauty | so |
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| 13:43.57 | Ronin | oh god another sutpid spammer |
| 13:43.57 | Venusbeauty | there are a probleme* |
| 13:44.01 | ricky_clarkson | Venusbeauty: Spam in #123 - it's great! |
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| 13:44.03 | Ronin | dont do it folks |
| 13:44.16 | ricky_clarkson | Venusbeauty: There are thousands of people in #123 - they love these URLs!!! |
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| 13:44.17 | Hamtarorist | can anyone help me please? i am a linux n00b |
| 13:44.27 | ricky_clarkson | Anyone else, don't go to #123 - you'll get kickbanned. |
| 13:44.28 | Venusbeauty | what?? |
| 13:44.32 | infodroid | Venusbeauty: cum to #123 with me |
| 13:44.33 | sml | stew: I dont suppose you have any ideas on how I could effectively use my two ADSL routers at the same time (double effective throughput, 1x device bandwidth for any given connection). its gettign a bit annoying me having to manually change over onto the other ADSL , when one goes down. we have two adsl's for resiliance since one of our ISP's is a lil' unreliable and uncontactable at weekends and out of office hours. |
| 13:44.37 | ricky_clarkson | Er, k-lined. |
| 13:44.38 | Hamtarorist | i just need a browser dor the console |
| 13:44.43 | Venusbeauty | I dont understand sorry |
| 13:44.44 | Hamtarorist | dor=for |
| 13:44.47 | Venusbeauty | http://www.idpz.net/team_concept/tc |
| 13:44.50 | Venusbeauty | What |
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| 13:44.55 | ricky_clarkson | Venusbeauty: Stop spamming. |
| 13:45.04 | sml | stew: although all i really want it two routes active at the same time (to the net) i dont mind using both at once when one of them is not not working :) |
| 13:45.06 | hennewou | takatumi: "hwclock --localtime" gives the same time as in the bios so I guess , that the hardware clock is not UTC. |
| 13:45.09 | Venusbeauty | http://www.idpz.net/team_concept/tc |
| 13:45.12 | jethro | howdi |
| 13:45.16 | slazh | phorce1: I didn't fix the problem (not today that is, but don't have much time left for this project), but I 'fixed' it by using sudo now :) |
| 13:45.16 | Ronin | !ops Venusbeauty is spamming |
| 13:45.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Venusbeauty is spamming |
| 13:45.19 | chealer | Hamtarorist: lynx is a console browser |
| 13:45.28 | Ronin | and its not even good porn spam :( |
| 13:45.31 | takatumi | hennewou: sarge or woody? |
| 13:45.41 | Hamtarorist | please stop spamming, its making people confused, anyone willing to send me a private message? |
| 13:45.51 | neko` | who is spamming? |
| 13:45.57 | neko` | ah |
| 13:46.17 | phorce1 | slazh: ;-) |
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| 13:46.36 | hennewou | takatumi: I started from sarge (most of the package are sid now) |
| 13:46.48 | slazh | phorce1: thanks for the help though :) |
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| 13:46.53 | infodroid | hennewou: use tzconfig tzsetup or something like that, your hwclock needs to be set to GMT |
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| 13:47.13 | valdyn | !tell Hamtarorist about ask |
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| 13:47.20 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 13:47.20 | takatumi | hennewou: heh. anyway, try setting the hwclock to UTC and try dpkg-reconfigure timezoneconfig |
| 13:47.20 | valdyn | !faq Hamtarorist |
| 13:47.21 | dpkg | Hamtarorist: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:47.35 | jetscreamer | what? |
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| 13:47.37 | jetscreamer | tzconfig |
| 13:48.02 | infodroid | jetscreamer: what? |
| 13:48.02 | takatumi | or ^^ |
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| 13:48.26 | jetscreamer | does dpkg-reconfigure timezoneconfig function? |
| 13:48.40 | greycat | jetscreamer: you tell us. |
| 13:48.48 | jetscreamer | greycat, it's not for me to say |
| 13:48.55 | takatumi | oops, it's timezoneconf |
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| 13:50.13 | AngelG | Does anyone know of an IRC client that can be run from a web page, maybe in the form of an java applet? |
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| 13:50.30 | webmind | cgi:irc works without java |
| 13:50.34 | greycat | AngelG: that's sick. |
| 13:50.42 | jetscreamer | ah timezoneconf is a package |
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| 13:50.48 | ricky_clarkson | AngelG: google for java irc applet |
| 13:50.51 | AngelG | greycat, Why is that sick? |
| 13:50.55 | webmind | anyone here experience with isakmpd + debian/linux ? I'm trying to figure out how the routing works |
| 13:51.03 | jethro | AngelG: why would you IRC using some shitty java applet? :/ |
| 13:51.06 | zeeble | coz its java! |
| 13:51.18 | zeeble | jethro: maybe to offer a facility on a webpage |
| 13:51.18 | ricky_clarkson | Java applets suck. |
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| 13:51.28 | ricky_clarkson | Java applications don't suck. |
| 13:51.28 | zeeble | eats up my RAM usage |
| 13:51.34 | jetscreamer | AngelG, iirc there is a browser based irc client, don't remember anything else though |
| 13:51.37 | SocketERR | webmind, good luck! :-) |
| 13:51.42 | sml | stew: is bonding "etherchannel" ? |
| 13:51.43 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: well, as a matter of fact, some do |
| 13:51.46 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: Mozilla has Chatzilla. |
| 13:51.50 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Heh, true. |
| 13:51.55 | Spec | In Zope you could use ZPyIRC, but I'm not sure how good that is. |
| 13:51.56 | webmind | SocketERR, thanks.. it's crap btw |
| 13:52.07 | AngelG | webmind, cgi::irc - the server would process that, right? I don't won't to have the load of 20k users on one server, just for IRC, and I may not have the tme to educate, and install that mny copies of an IRC client |
| 13:52.10 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: As a concept at least, they don't. ;) |
| 13:52.12 | greycat | java applications suck less than java applets. |
| 13:52.27 | greycat | however, they still suck. |
| 13:52.32 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Why? |
| 13:52.33 | zeeble | :)) |
| 13:52.43 | greycat | the memory footprint is absurd. |
| 13:52.45 | webmind | AngelG, yes no idea then.. check www.indymedia.nl they have a java applet I think |
| 13:52.47 | jetscreamer | always seem kinda slow to me |
| 13:52.50 | webmind | in use that is |
| 13:52.59 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: www.netsim.info |
| 13:53.00 | SocketERR | webmind, isakmpd dosn't use the "route" command. i dont know with way it goes |
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| 13:53.16 | greycat | and the runtime component of the language is NOT even CLOSE to being as portable as they think it is. (Although I've heard the openbsd finally has a java 1.4 runtime now, in their -current branch) |
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| 13:53.18 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: It's absurd for a trivial program, of course. |
| 13:53.42 | webmind | SocketERR, 'ip' doesn't work either.. but I can't seem to be able to let all traffic to 10.1.0.0 go over the tunnel. not if I' |
| 13:53.49 | webmind | m making the connection that is |
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| 13:54.10 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I haven't used a system since the Commodore 64 that was incapable of running Java. |
| 13:54.25 | ricky_clarkson | I even managed it on an Amiga 1200. |
| 13:54.34 | infodroid | jethro: that's why there's JOS |
| 13:54.43 | takatumi | jetscreamer: didn't know that was a package, don't remember installing it. |
| 13:54.57 | SocketERR | webmind, give openvpn a try! is absolutly easy and more secure/stable then the isakmapd implemenation of ipsec |
| 13:55.06 | takatumi | jetscreamer: I mean atleast an optional one. |
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| 13:55.26 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: there are plenty of other reasons to stay clear of java |
| 13:55.28 | webmind | SocketERR, that would mean turning over the entire existing vpn network.. is a bit much.. and openvpn has more overhead |
| 13:55.32 | webmind | SocketERR, and is still beta |
| 13:55.42 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: Like what? |
| 13:55.46 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I had to stop running Freenet on OpenBSD when they started using NIO (non-blocking I/O) because Kaffe doesn't support NIO yet. |
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| 13:56.05 | Jacobo221 | something strange happens here: in console everything is ok, but in xterm, when doing "LS_COLORS='di=04;01;33' ls" all resuts are displayed in classical white-voer-blac :-/ any ideas ? |
| 13:56.21 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I've never seen an OpenBSD box. Can't OpenBSD run in Linux compatibility mode or something to get the Sun JRE working? |
| 13:56.24 | Jacobo221 | s/white-voer-blac/white-over-black |
| 13:56.27 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: like the fact that the idiomatic form of Java looks like a mix between the insanity of C++ syntax and the talkative nature of Basic. |
| 13:56.28 | SocketERR | webmind, thats right, it has more overhead. but in actualy you will not feal it ;-) |
| 13:56.58 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: past versions could get 1.3 working, *somewhat*, using that technique. Now it's up to 1.4. |
| 13:56.58 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: It's got some of the insanity of C++, but what do you mean by talkative nature of BASIC? Give a code sample. |
| 13:56.59 | webmind | SocketERR, and I'm not so sure about the beta thing.. it works ok.. but it seems to ave an awkward structure |
| 13:57.03 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: 1.5 |
| 13:57.11 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: no, 1.4 is the best you can get in openbsd. |
| 13:57.17 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, I see. |
| 13:57.18 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: and *that* only by running -current. |
| 13:57.28 | ricky_clarkson | Is that equivalent to sid? |
| 13:57.31 | greycat | yes |
| 13:57.45 | greycat | except that -current becomes -release every 6 months :) |
| 13:57.52 | ricky_clarkson | Like Ubuntu? |
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| 13:58.01 | greycat | I've never used Ubuntu |
| 13:58.05 | ricky_clarkson | Me neither. |
| 13:58.05 | pabs3 | does anyone remember which release libmysqlclient6 might have been part of? |
| 13:58.10 | SocketERR | webmind, what do you exactly mean with awkward structure? |
| 13:58.14 | greycat | pabs3: packages.debian.org |
| 13:58.16 | greycat | pabs3: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 13:58.21 | ricky_clarkson | Well, if there were more OpenBSD boxes around then maybe Sun would concentrate on them. |
| 13:58.46 | webmind | SocketERR, well the config.. and how then endpoints worked not sure |
| 13:58.54 | greycat | maybe if Sun weren't a FLAMING DICK, they'd just offer their java runtime under a Free license and we wouldn't have to worry about "Sun concentrating on them", we'd just fucking do it *ourselves*. |
| 13:58.55 | ricky_clarkson | Anyway, the code is available, if not open, for the Sun JRE, so you could provide a port (make the patches open and a build system), but I'd not fancy that challenge. |
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| 13:59.12 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: [1, 2, 3] vs new int[] {1, 2, 3}, mystring[0:10] vs mystring.substring(0, 10), the stream, iterator and collection interfaces require you to write a mass of good for nothing code. |
| 13:59.20 | webmind | SocketERR, but at the moment.. I don'r really think turning over the entire 16 node vpn is an option |
| 13:59.27 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: OpenBSD is roughly as anal as Debian is about licensing. |
| 13:59.40 | SocketERR | webmind, ok 16 nodes is a word! |
| 13:59.47 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: there have been things re-written from scratch for the base system because they don't think the GPL is Free enough. |
| 13:59.50 | pabs3 | greycat: found it on sdn, not sure how to find out the release tho |
| 13:59.51 | asg | greycat: and they produce nifty songs too |
| 13:59.58 | greycat | asg: :) |
| 14:00.01 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: C++ supports that {1,2,3} syntax iirc. substring is just an API call, not syntax. |
| 14:00.02 | New2Linux | ok i installed debian, with desktop environment, now i got insto the console, when i type startx it gives me problem. The first one is configuration not good. How can i get that nice blue configuration screen where i can configure my monitor again? |
| 14:00.02 | greycat | pabs3: estimate it by the date. |
| 14:00.17 | asg | New2Linux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:00.21 | greycat | New2Linux: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 14:00.23 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: the standard API is as much a part of the language as the syntax |
| 14:00.27 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: Streams are verbose, but clear. Iterators and collections benefit (arguable) from generics and a foreach loop in Java 1.5. |
| 14:00.31 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: and I'm not comparing with retarded languages like C++ |
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| 14:00.47 | webmind | SocketERR, but now I still need find a way to fix that programs use the correct device to connect from for the vpn |
| 14:01.08 | ricky_clarkson | for (String i: someListOfStrings) { doSomethingWith(i); } //not too bad |
| 14:01.32 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: yes, by my estimate, Java will have become efficient enough for me to select it for a project around five or six major versions from now. |
| 14:01.43 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: Runtime efficiency? |
| 14:02.01 | TinoW | oding efficiency :) |
| 14:02.01 | TinoW | coding |
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| 14:02.25 | ricky_clarkson | The code isn't likely to change a lot, but the tools (IDEs) do. |
| 14:03.37 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: no, quality + functionality |
| 14:03.37 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: for those akward, and very few, jobs that requier execution speed I still use ANSI-C. |
| 14:03.37 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: I don't want my IDE to cover up for the drawbacks of the language. |
| 14:04.18 | SocketERR | webmind, i used isakmpd before with openbsd/debian. what problem do you have exectly? |
| 14:04.18 | TheNewNewUser | What do I have to write in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets when I want to use Username "anonymous" with pas "test" for interface ippp0? |
| 14:05.06 | webmind | SocketERR, well I can't set the correct source address to be able to connect over it |
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| 14:05.26 | webmind | if I try to connect it gets my default external address |
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| 14:06.19 | TheNewNewUser | What do I have to write in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets when I want to use Username "anonymous" with pas "test" for interface ippp0? |
| 14:06.20 | takatumi | TheNewNewUser: tried pppconfig? |
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| 14:06.33 | TheNewNewUser | it's a isdn connection |
| 14:06.51 | gilles | Is there an extension like .org or .com for Europe ? |
| 14:07.17 | TheNewNewUser | when i do " anonymous "ippp0" "test" " it doesn't work |
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| 14:07.48 | greycat | gilles: no, there are country codes. |
| 14:07.50 | valdyn | gilles: why would .org not be for europe? |
| 14:08.06 | gilles | valdyn: that's not what i meant |
| 14:08.28 | bam | .co.uk is what the UK generally uses like .com |
| 14:08.32 | New2Linux | is kB in byte or bit? do i need to devide it with 8 or not? I am a bit confused with kb and kB. In debian config it ask to enter the amount of memory (in Kb). I have a shared video card with 64mb shared |
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| 14:08.47 | greycat | kB is usually kilobytes |
| 14:08.53 | directhex|work | New2Linux, you very rarely need to give it an answer |
| 14:08.55 | SocketERR | webmind, hmm seems very strange. try a look in /proc/net/route. when isakmpd change some routes then there. |
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| 14:09.20 | greycat | but if something is asking for the amount of video memory, it's going to be measured in bytes, not bits, no matter how they spell the abbreviation. |
| 14:09.26 | New2Linux | mhhm, i'll just put 64000 |
| 14:09.41 | greycat | why not just press Enter and let it autodetect? |
| 14:09.41 | directhex|work | 64000 would be wrong, though |
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| 14:09.54 | directhex|work | 65536 if you _MUST_ give it a value, but really, don't |
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| 14:11.07 | New2Linux | :'( ok here is what can read on my 1024x768 monitor: |
| 14:11.08 | pabs3 | thanks greycat |
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| 14:11.59 | sml2 | can a GRE tunnel pass SMB broadcast traffic ? |
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| 14:12.42 | n00dle` | hi there, was wondering what the command would be for apt-getting the x window system, and fluxbox |
| 14:12.51 | directhex|work | XD |
| 14:12.57 | greycat | apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox |
| 14:12.58 | directhex|work | apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox |
| 14:12.58 | asg | n00dle`: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 14:13.19 | n00dle` | Ta. |
| 14:13.26 | New2Linux | (II) VGA(o): not using default mode "1280x960" (insufficient memory for mode)....this goes on till "1400x1050". then (WW) VGA(0): Mode pool is empty. (==) VGA(0): virtual size is 320x200 (pitch 320).....Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 14:13.32 | n00dle` | Thanks tho guys. |
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| 14:13.54 | New2Linux | rrright >.< |
| 14:14.02 | n00dle` | should i be aware of any special issues when installing x and flux on a ppc distribution of debian? |
| 14:14.07 | jetscreamer | New2Linux, it helps if you google your monitor's specs and know the vertrefresh and horizrefresh rates |
| 14:14.10 | greycat | New2Linux: well then, put in 65536 and see how it goes. |
| 14:14.20 | greycat | jetscreamer: it says "insufficient memory". |
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| 14:14.43 | New2Linux | yeah, i did the medium one, but i got an acer aspire 1352XC, it hard to find the monitor specs |
| 14:14.59 | New2Linux | i'll try to add that ammount |
| 14:15.05 | jetscreamer | errr |
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| 14:15.59 | zirikili | hi... what's a nice thumbs viewer for gnome? |
| 14:16.06 | directhex|work | pornview |
| 14:16.12 | directhex|work | it's really good :( |
| 14:16.13 | jetscreamer | !64*1024 |
| 14:16.13 | dpkg | 65536 |
| 14:16.13 | New2Linux | LOL |
| 14:16.19 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 14:16.19 | directhex|work | !info pornview |
| 14:16.23 | scatterp | asg hey its been days can you help me fix this ? |
| 14:16.26 | dpkg | pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
| 14:16.29 | zirikili | directhex|work: I'm not looking for porn stuff |
| 14:16.36 | greycat | !cluebat zirikili |
| 14:16.40 | directhex|work | !pornview |
| 14:16.41 | dpkg | well, pornview is an awesome porn viewer! |
| 14:16.53 | New2Linux | ok, i add that ammount, still gives me insufficient memory, but for just 1 sec i got to see a horizontal line...i think thats good |
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| 14:17.13 | directhex|work | !pornview is also good for non-porno image libraries. Just ignore the icon. |
| 14:17.14 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 14:17.14 | asg | scatterp: get the ndiswrapper code from sourceforge, get the kernel-source package for the kernel you are using, read the README in the ndiswrapper package. |
| 14:17.20 | greycat | New2Linux: read the REST of the log file and see why it isn't recognizing your video memory properly. |
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| 14:17.25 | webmind | SocketERR, there are only the routes see in by route/netstat |
| 14:17.33 | jetscreamer | directhex|work, wtf is the icon? :) |
| 14:17.35 | directhex|work | erm |
| 14:17.45 | directhex|work | there's ndiswrapper in module-assistant |
| 14:18.01 | asg | directhex|work: didn't know that, cool |
| 14:18.03 | asg | scatterp: ^^^^ |
| 14:18.13 | zirikili | directhex|work: oh... really strange...but thank you |
| 14:18.28 | scatterp | asg every one says that wont work on my card yoy sure ? also i did the kernel src part it wont boot the image says please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 14:18.53 | sussudio | greycat: * Kojihami (~ko@node.tor) invites you to join #Fuck_off |
| 14:18.54 | asg | scatterp: you said you had the same card as I have when I pasted the lspci output a few days ago. |
| 14:19.04 | greycat | sussudio: joy. |
| 14:19.12 | scatterp | asg intel pro wireless 2100 ? |
| 14:19.18 | sussudio | greycat: kawfee must be feeling lonely again. |
| 14:19.19 | asg | scatterp: 0000:02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) |
| 14:19.26 | New2Linux | uhh, wich rogram can i read the log? |
| 14:19.26 | asg | scatterp: no, I guess not then |
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| 14:19.35 | directhex|work | New2Linux, nano |
| 14:19.39 | New2Linux | ok |
| 14:19.57 | asg | scatterp: did you take a look at /msg dpkg ipw2100? |
| 14:20.03 | scatterp | asg i dont have that my brother has a bcm9430 or something like that |
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| 14:21.18 | asg | sml: downgraded eh? |
| 14:21.21 | scatterp | abrotman still around ? |
| 14:21.30 | abrotman | scatterp: you too eh? :) |
| 14:22.04 | scatterp | ive been here days doing what pepole say they end up stuck disapear back to square 1 do loop do loop .... |
| 14:22.32 | New2Linux | wow, look at the log, its uge lol |
| 14:22.44 | bruno_ | I get problems with sound on AlBook running 2.6.9 kernel and Alsa. The sound produced is hashed regularly. Any idea where it comes from ? |
| 14:23.01 | bob2 | #debianppc |
| 14:23.10 | bob2 | also, the ppc dmasound driver is shit |
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| 14:23.36 | gilles | valdyn: why would .org be for europe ? |
| 14:23.44 | webmind | SocketERR, there doesn't seem to exist a device either where I can listen on for my outgoing sockets... |
| 14:23.51 | webmind | SocketERR, incomming apear to be on eth0 |
| 14:23.51 | jetscreamer | New2Linux, less just to read it, nano to edit |
| 14:23.53 | scatterp | abrotman curently i got a 2.6.10 kernel it wont boot gives a error unable to mount rootfs please append a correct "root=" boot option the card looks in how ever as it searchs for a wifi thing just before |
| 14:23.55 | Coke | gilles: we are an organisation now. |
| 14:23.56 | takatumi | directhex|work: tried xorg? |
| 14:24.03 | bruno_ | bob2: tried #debianppc without success (it seems to be very low traffic) |
| 14:24.04 | gilles | greycat: well, europe looks more and more like a country... |
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| 14:24.13 | bob2 | bruno_: try the debian-ppc list, I guess |
| 14:24.21 | directhex|work | takatumi, not recently. it worked, but was unstable, when i pulled in the ubuntu debs |
| 14:24.22 | Coke | gilles: and the US is .com |
| 14:24.23 | reNegad3 | how do I link the kernel source?? |
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| 14:24.30 | gilles | greycat: europe is an org, but .org is not europe |
| 14:24.32 | bob2 | reNegad3: your question makes no sense |
| 14:24.34 | directhex|work | reNegad3, download, extract, read in text editor? |
| 14:24.37 | reNegad3 | i know |
| 14:24.38 | reNegad3 | umm |
| 14:24.47 | reNegad3 | im installing the ATI driver |
| 14:24.50 | greycat | gilles: europe is a CONTINENT. |
| 14:24.58 | takatumi | directhex|work: that's what I'm running now, (ubuntu debs). pretty stable and I get DRI. |
| 14:24.59 | directhex|work | reNegad3, you're following flavio stanchina's guide? |
| 14:24.59 | greycat | gilles: there are no continent TLDs yet. Go make one. |
| 14:25.02 | bob2 | reNegad3: so install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:25.04 | bruno_ | bob2: you mean dmasound driver in linux kernel is badly written ? |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | scatterp: that doesn't help .. did you start with a working config ? |
| 14:25.05 | sussudio | well, eurasia is, really |
| 14:25.12 | bob2 | bruno_: it has lots of bugs |
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| 14:25.16 | gilles | greycat: europe, not only a continent i'mafraid |
| 14:25.17 | bob2 | bruno_: someone put a bounty out to fix it |
| 14:25.19 | reNegad3 | yup |
| 14:25.27 | reNegad3 | done exactly what he said |
| 14:25.27 | scatterp | i loaded some one elses dell config to the kernel tree |
| 14:25.36 | bob2 | good idea |
| 14:25.37 | scatterp | ill be right back changeing boxs |
| 14:25.40 | bob2 | now go nail things into your scalp |
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| 14:25.44 | greycat | gilles: Europe is a continent, or half a continent if you subscribe to the "Eurasia" school. |
| 14:25.47 | gilles | greycat: i'd like to make one... |
| 14:26.02 | gilles | gilles: no, i don't |
| 14:26.13 | takatumi | gilles: don't. instead unite all humanity. |
| 14:26.32 | bob2 | how do people *not* subscribe to the eurasia school? |
| 14:26.38 | bob2 | you can walk from spain to china. deal. |
| 14:26.41 | directhex|work | bob2, i couldn't afford the subs |
| 14:26.51 | directhex|work | damn, you typed too quick for my joke |
| 14:26.54 | greycat | bob2: you can walk from alaska to chile, too, but NA and SA are considered separate continents. |
| 14:26.57 | bruno_ | bob2: thx it seems that finally linux is not as efficient on my box, other devices are not well supported such as the graphics card and the wireless one. Tibook was better supported :-( |
| 14:27.01 | n00dle` | can a 200mhz processor handle playing an mp3? |
| 14:27.03 | bob2 | greycat: you cut them in half |
| 14:27.04 | cahoot | bob2: wonder how the chinese describe it |
| 14:27.05 | greycat | n00dle`: yes |
| 14:27.10 | n00dle` | decently? |
| 14:27.14 | gilles | gilles: first unite europe, then we'll talk about unite "humanity" |
| 14:27.16 | fabietto | someone using ndiswrapper? |
| 14:27.18 | n00dle` | its a powerpc chip |
| 14:27.19 | greycat | n00dle`: TRY IT AND SEE. |
| 14:27.24 | bob2 | greycat: build a canal between finland and iraq and I'll pay you seperate continents |
| 14:27.28 | n00dle` | greycat i will :) |
| 14:27.28 | gilles | takatumi: first unite europe, then we'll talk about unite "humanity" |
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| 14:27.45 | asg | fabietto: yes, though I'd rather not have to |
| 14:28.04 | takatumi | asg! |
| 14:28.07 | asg | takatumi: morning |
| 14:28.12 | asg | takatumi: or afternoon / evening |
| 14:28.22 | trouble | hi folks |
| 14:28.24 | takatumi | asg: evening :) |
| 14:28.42 | takatumi | greycat: finally caught up with you. |
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| 14:29.13 | scatterp_ | back |
| 14:29.15 | bob2 | valgrind: Bad option `-vv'; aborting. |
| 14:29.21 | bob2 | $5 to anyone who ports it to getopt |
| 14:29.22 | fabietto | asg: i've got a "little" problem... i installed ndiswrapper through aptitude, then i installed the appropriate driver for my wireless adapter and loaded it, but when i try "modprobe ndiswrapper" i get an error message: "modprobe: can't locate module ndiswrapper"... have you got any suggest? :-/ |
| 14:29.22 | greycat | gilles: there's only one way to unite humanity. Leave the earth, form your own extraterrestrial civilization, make a fleet of space ships, then attack the earth. |
| 14:29.44 | asg | fabietto: did you run 'depmod -a' after installing it? |
| 14:30.01 | asg | greycat: capital idea |
| 14:30.08 | fabietto | asg: no, i simply installed ndiswrapper with aptitude |
| 14:30.25 | gilles | i can access to my website when i'm at home with 192.168.0.1, and people can access to via its ip address, but when i move to a friend's home i can't access to the website anymore with the ip address with my laptop despite that other people still can. what's wrong in the config of my laptop ? |
| 14:30.34 | New2Linux | brb |
| 14:30.34 | reNegad3 | used apt to install the kernel-headers but couldnt find package |
| 14:30.36 | asg | fabietto: well then, a) make sure the module exists in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/*, b) type 'depmod -a', c) try again. |
| 14:30.52 | directhex|work | fabietto, there isn't a precompiled ndiswrapper. did you create amodule for your kernel? aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 14:31.11 | scatterp_ | when i try to boot up i get please append a correct "root=" boot option i am trying to install a intel pro wireless 2100 card to my debian sarge net cd install can any one help |
| 14:31.12 | directhex|work | reNegad3, what does uname -r say? |
| 14:31.34 | greycat | no. anyone who buys an intel wireless chipset is beyond help. |
| 14:31.34 | reNegad3 | 2.6.8-1-686-smp |
| 14:31.40 | gilles | greycat: you're talking non-sense |
| 14:31.51 | fabietto | asg: i've got nothing like a ndiswrapper module |
| 14:32.00 | asg | fabietto: then follow directhex|work's advice (above) |
| 14:32.24 | reNegad3 | would that kernel be suitible for a AMD XP?? |
| 14:32.42 | directhex|work | reNegad3, the package has been removed. and NO, that;s the most wrong kernel you can use on an amd xp |
| 14:32.45 | fabietto | directhex|work: sorry, but i'm a newbie... :-/ what should i write into the console? |
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| 14:32.55 | reNegad3 | I know thats what I thought |
| 14:32.56 | reNegad3 | anyways |
| 14:33.00 | freebsdworld | what is the storage dir for mysql? |
| 14:33.01 | directhex|work | fabietto, exactly what i sodding wrote. gah. sunday :| |
| 14:33.07 | reNegad3 | I should be using the 386 arch right?? |
| 14:33.14 | directhex|work | reNegad3, NO |
| 14:33.16 | directhex|work | !k7 |
| 14:33.16 | stew | reNegad3: k7 |
| 14:33.16 | dpkg | k7 is probably the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 14:33.19 | asg | freebsdworld: /var/lib/mysql |
| 14:33.20 | TinoW | freebsdworld: /dev/random ;) |
| 14:33.22 | reNegad3 | ohh |
| 14:33.28 | reNegad3 | ok |
| 14:33.32 | reNegad3 | ta |
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| 14:33.37 | directhex|work | aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-kkernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 7 |
| 14:33.44 | directhex|work | bah |
| 14:33.47 | fabietto | directhex|work: so "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper"? |
| 14:33.48 | ruzbeh | is it possible for me to install debian without a CD? |
| 14:33.50 | directhex|work | aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 14:33.55 | asg | ruzbeh: yes, /msg dpkg ig |
| 14:33.56 | directhex|work | fabietto, yes. |
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| 14:34.02 | directhex|work | !rube goldberg install |
| 14:34.02 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 14:34.03 | reNegad3 | thanks |
| 14:34.13 | reNegad3 | could I use apt-get?? |
| 14:34.22 | reNegad3 | either way same shit yer?? |
| 14:34.26 | takatumi | reNegad3: why not? |
| 14:34.44 | directhex|work | reNegad3, yes. |
| 14:34.49 | reNegad3 | k |
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| 14:36.09 | asg | oh wtf! they are updating bugs bunny with a futuristic look and super powers? |
| 14:36.17 | directhex|work | ? asg |
| 14:36.25 | asg | directhex|work: sorry, yelling at the TV |
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| 14:36.29 | directhex|work | asg, duck dodgers in the 23 1/2th century? |
| 14:36.44 | reNegad3 | pretty much I just setup my machine 2 days ago..... why did it default to that kernel?? should I have used another boot option?? |
| 14:36.48 | asg | directhex|work: no, the original bugs, daffy, et. al. are getting an upgrade to appeal to kiddies. |
| 14:37.16 | greycat | 24th and a half century. |
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| 14:37.17 | directhex|work | reNegad3, did you use the 110mb net install cd? |
| 14:37.23 | directhex|work | greycat, my mistake. |
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| 14:37.36 | reNegad3 | I used the CD first |
| 14:37.49 | serj | a fresh copy of the nvidia drivers compiles just fine for 2.4.27-1-k6 but has unresolved symbols and cant load HEEEELLLPPP i am stuk like this for over 3 months |
| 14:37.51 | directhex|work | asg, did you ever watch Tiny Toons? that was acrually both respectful to the original stuff, and full of proper humor with reference to e.g. the marx brothers |
| 14:37.51 | reNegad3 | and the boot option I used was 'linux26' |
| 14:38.01 | reNegad3 | otherwise it installed the old kernel |
| 14:38.07 | Manny | hi :) |
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| 14:38.24 | directhex|work | !tell serj about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:38.51 | Manny | I was recommended one in this channel once and it worked like a charm |
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| 14:38.56 | Manny | apt-cache just didn't return anything that sounds familiar |
| 14:39.00 | bob2 | trickle |
| 14:39.07 | reNegad3 | !tell reNegad3 about ati |
| 14:39.10 | bob2 | also, it's a hack. albeit one that works pretty well |
| 14:39.19 | directhex|work | serj, you need a kernel upgrade first, to 2.4.27-2-k6 |
| 14:39.39 | Manny | yeah, trickle is its name |
| 14:39.45 | Manny | thanks! |
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| 14:39.56 | Manny | what is so hackish about it? |
| 14:40.04 | nSe | hi everyone i`m having some problems on changing my Screen Size im my new KDE, i can`t turn it into 1024x800, i have just other options. i`m sure my monitor can do that in xp, maybe my x is not configured correctly, what should i do? |
| 14:40.05 | bob2 | you can't do "proper" shaping in userspace |
| 14:40.10 | bob2 | all you can do is approximate it |
| 14:40.31 | directhex|work | use BSD if you wanna shape proeprly |
| 14:40.42 | bob2 | or the kernel shaping stuff |
| 14:40.46 | bob2 | aka www.lartc.org |
| 14:40.56 | directhex|work | nah, BSD for win in this case |
| 14:41.01 | chino | how many cd's do you need ? |
| 14:41.15 | asuffield | you can't really do proper traffic shaping from only one end of the link, though. you really need control of both points |
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| 14:41.31 | bob2 | well, yeah |
| 14:41.35 | bob2 | tcp makes it all hard |
| 14:41.44 | asuffield | tcp also makes it all possible :P |
| 14:41.53 | bob2 | heh |
| 14:41.55 | bob2 | indeedy |
| 14:41.56 | PerfDave | nSe: That's a matter of your X server configuration. "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", though you may have to hand-edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 if debconf doesn't give you the option of the resolution you want. |
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| 14:42.03 | asg | directhex|work: yes, tiny toons was good |
| 14:42.07 | SonnyChiba | I'd like to create a bootable cd with a lot of iso images inside and a menu to boot them, is it possible? |
| 14:42.25 | SonnyChiba | can grub/isolinux do that |
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| 14:42.41 | bob2 | isolinux can, I think |
| 14:42.42 | Laibsch | PerfDave: Earlier in the day you suggested I do a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config. exim4-config is not installed on my system but exim is. Trying to install exim4-config would deinstall mailx, anacron, exim and at. I guess I do not want that so I bailed out. |
| 14:42.44 | takatumi | SonnyChiba: hattori hanzo! |
| 14:42.46 | bob2 | this isn't the place to ask, tho |
| 14:42.50 | tfubard | nSe: xrandr |
| 14:42.51 | bob2 | try their list or such |
| 14:42.59 | asg | Laibsch: use eximconfig then |
| 14:43.00 | PerfDave | Laibsch: You said you were running Sarge. |
| 14:43.09 | asg | PerfDave: he might have upgraded from woody |
| 14:43.13 | Laibsch | I am running sarge. |
| 14:43.21 | PerfDave | asg: Wouldn't that have upgraded exim? |
| 14:43.22 | Laibsch | asg: exactly. |
| 14:43.22 | directhex|work | PerfDave, probably another 'upgrading from woody is exactly the same as a fresh sarge install' case |
| 14:43.26 | SonnyChiba | takatumi: :) |
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| 14:43.35 | asg | PerfDave: no, afaik, exim3 is left along during the upgrade |
| 14:43.42 | PerfDave | Laibsch: In that case, you want /sbin/eximconfig |
| 14:43.54 | PerfDave | Laibsch: Or apt-get install exim4 |
| 14:44.02 | Laibsch | PerfDave: Thanx. |
| 14:44.19 | asg | PerfDave: the exim3->exim4 migration is not easy for non-trivial setups |
| 14:44.34 | takatumi | asg: screwed mine up. |
| 14:44.48 | Laibsch | OK, I will that for now then. |
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| 14:44.59 | PerfDave | asg: I have a trivial setup, debconf manages it all for me ;) |
| 14:45.02 | asuffield | non-trivial setups probably want exim4 more, though. and odds are they already run it |
| 14:45.08 | Laibsch | Another machine I upgraded is still sitting there barely usable until I fix the mess :-( |
| 14:45.24 | takatumi | asg: although I removed exim4 and installed exim3 on sarge, so it probably wasn't meant to handle going backwards :) |
| 14:45.32 | Laibsch | I meant: OK, I will *skip* that for now then. |
| 14:45.52 | asg | PerfDave: :) |
| 14:46.04 | asg | takatumi: probably |
| 14:46.37 | asg | takatumi: when sarge is stable, I'm either going to upgrade the gateway to 4 or move to qmail. I haven't decided yet. |
| 14:46.52 | fabietto | directhex|work: i received this error message: "Bad luck, the kernel headers for this kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other kernel to use" |
| 14:47.06 | asg | takatumi: we do some really crazy rewriting, which exim makes easy. |
| 14:47.21 | PerfDave | djbcrackwaremail! |
| 14:47.36 | takatumi | asg: the qmail-src returned errors the last time I tried it, planning to try again soon. |
| 14:47.40 | directhex|work | fabietto, uname -r |
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| 14:48.01 | fabietto | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 14:48.03 | asg | takatumi: oh, I'll just grab netqmail-1.05 and use equivs myself. |
| 14:48.08 | directhex|work | fabietto, you're on a 386? |
| 14:48.22 | takatumi | asg: will keep that in mind. |
| 14:48.24 | [machine] | cd |
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| 14:48.35 | directhex|work | $ |
| 14:48.37 | fabietto | directhex|work: i'm on a athlon xp mobile |
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| 14:48.38 | chino | whats up guys |
| 14:48.48 | tycon__ | hello |
| 14:48.49 | directhex|work | fabietto, apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 14:48.53 | takatumi | bakercp: mobile? ferrari? |
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| 14:49.01 | directhex|work | fabietto, then reboot, run m-a a-i ndiswrapper again |
| 14:49.02 | takatumi | fabietto: ^^ |
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| 14:49.07 | takatumi | gah. |
| 14:49.31 | tycon__ | anyone knows how to configure an interface so that it loads all aliases at boot time? |
| 14:49.41 | serj | m-a a-i failes |
| 14:49.52 | directhex|work | !doesn't work |
| 14:49.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:50.00 | PerfDave | tycon__: Put the aliases in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 14:50.16 | serj | probably because i have an broken install of the old driver |
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| 14:50.40 | tycon__ | PerfDave: thats what i thought too but where can i find out the format? |
| 14:50.44 | serj | any ideas how to trik it to compile |
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| 14:50.56 | asg | tycon__: /msg dpkg faq |
| 14:51.10 | directhex|work | serj, WHAT IS THE FUCKING ERROR |
| 14:51.20 | fabietto | directhex|work "should i install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 14:51.28 | PerfDave | tycon__: man 5 interfaces |
| 14:51.42 | serj | it says that there is an error and doens't eve try to compile the module |
| 14:51.53 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 14:51.53 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 14:51.57 | serj | i can't see it clear as it uses dialog and clears the message |
| 14:52.03 | sorahn | i get an error when i try to add the workspace switcher to the panel and adjust the properties. i pasted it here > http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZKOnJD87.html < |
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| 14:52.27 | directhex|work | fabietto, lilo? erm... maybe? buggered if i know, i don't tough lilo if i can help it |
| 14:52.44 | directhex|work | serj, WHICH part fails. what does uname -r say? |
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| 14:53.16 | serj | Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 14:53.21 | asg | greycat: btw, apparently joehy was working on the hppa d-i a few days ago. Dunno if it fixes your issue but it might be worth a look. |
| 14:53.28 | greycat | serj: did you add non-free to your sources and update? |
| 14:53.29 | trouble | hi folks |
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| 14:53.41 | trouble | can i get a what what! |
| 14:53.45 | greycat | no. |
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| 14:53.51 | trouble | oh :( |
| 14:53.52 | directhex|work | serj, did you follow the instructions? the parts about non-free and unstable sources? |
| 14:54.07 | scatterp_ | could i get some help with why my kernel wont boot |
| 14:54.08 | nSe | PerfDave: that line isn`t working with dpkg... |
| 14:54.15 | greycat | scatterp_: 'cause you broked it. |
| 14:54.26 | greycat | scatterp_: now try using a standard sarge kernel. |
| 14:54.39 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 14:54.39 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD" |
| 14:54.55 | serj | i actualy don't know how to tell apt to use non free software SORRY :( |
| 14:54.57 | scatterp_ | greycat, i think i need the one i have to make my wifi card work |
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| 14:55.15 | trouble | anyone got a little time to help me ? |
| 14:55.19 | PerfDave | nSe: What line? |
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| 14:55.28 | asg | !tell trouble about ask |
| 14:55.35 | directhex|work | serj, so you decided you didn't need to do it? |
| 14:55.46 | takatumi | scatterp_: are you compiling your own? |
| 14:55.47 | trouble | 1 sec |
| 14:55.51 | directhex|work | serj, edit /etc/apt/sources.list. change instances of 'main' to 'main contrib non-free' |
| 14:55.58 | serj | no i thought you can tell me |
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| 14:56.04 | scatterp_ | takatumi yeah trying |
| 14:56.05 | directhex|work | oh. |
| 14:56.07 | serj | thanks alot |
| 14:56.08 | directhex|work | !non-free sources |
| 14:56.09 | dpkg | well, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update |
| 14:56.15 | takatumi | scatterp_: with make-kpkg? |
| 14:56.17 | n00dle` | x-server is asking me for my video card's bus ID, but lspci won't tell me this. |
| 14:56.22 | scatterp_ | takatumi yes |
| 14:56.30 | trouble | im about to set debian, netinst but i dont know what programs i should dl with the instal |
| 14:56.35 | nomed^ | hi |
| 14:56.37 | takatumi | scatterp_: what error? |
| 14:56.50 | asg | trouble: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:56.58 | scatterp_ | please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 14:56.59 | trouble | sorry |
| 14:57.06 | greycat | initrd poisoning. |
| 14:57.07 | directhex|work | n00dle`, you don't need it |
| 14:57.25 | serj | deb http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 14:57.28 | takatumi | scatterp_: either get rid of the initrd or create one with --initrd |
| 14:57.29 | directhex|work | initrd is fine. make-kpkg --initrd is hardly complicated |
| 14:57.29 | greycat | !busid |
| 14:57.30 | asg | trouble: if you have a known working network configuration (and one that works with Debian's installer) get the netinst.iso. Otherwise, get CD1. |
| 14:57.31 | nomed^ | how can i make a script in usr/sbin usable for group=users? |
| 14:57.34 | greycat | !bus id |
| 14:57.34 | dpkg | If you're asking about Bus ID, chances are you need to get a kernel that has agpgart support for your video chipset. Usually this means 2.4.x, but 2.2.25 also has some. When dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 asks you for your Bus ID, if you use x86 (meaning a PC), just leave it blank. |
| 14:57.51 | scatterp_ | takatumi initrd is not in my grub file |
| 14:57.53 | nomed^ | !gid |
| 14:57.55 | serj | could it be that this server isn't updated? |
| 14:58.07 | directhex|work | serj, that depends whether you've typed apt-get update |
| 14:58.09 | greycat | serj: did you apt-get update? |
| 14:58.14 | asg | nomed^: you should probably put it in /usr/local/sbin |
| 14:58.17 | takatumi | scatterp_: do you have any other bootable kernels? |
| 14:58.18 | trouble | im using a windows network |
| 14:58.18 | serj | i did 5 mins ago |
| 14:58.27 | greycat | serj: BEFORE or AFTER you edited the file> |
| 14:58.28 | trouble | sorry for saying a bad word |
| 14:58.30 | scatterp_ | yes |
| 14:58.33 | asg | nomed^: then man chmod, man chown |
| 14:58.36 | scatterp_ | Linux debian 2.6.8-1-386 #1 Thu Nov 11 12:18:43 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:58.37 | serj | after |
| 14:58.38 | nomed^ | ok |
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| 14:58.47 | serj | and it was actualy like this before |
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| 14:58.58 | panda | <bar_fly_girl> http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos |
| 14:59.01 | greycat | 09:54 serj> i actualy don't know how to tell apt to use non free software |
| 14:59.03 | panda | !op |
| 14:59.04 | takatumi | scatterp_: what wifi module are you trying to compile? |
| 14:59.05 | greycat | 09:58 serj> i did 5 mins ago |
| 14:59.06 | panda | !oper |
| 14:59.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, oper is an irc OPERator. |
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| 14:59.20 | scatterp_ | intel pro 2100 |
| 14:59.20 | directhex|work | serj, did you follow the instructions about getting unstable as well as sarge sources? |
| 14:59.22 | bob2 | panda: stop it |
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| 14:59.50 | nSe | PerfDave: dpkg -configure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:00.09 | panda | bob2, thanks |
| 15:00.16 | takatumi | bob2: tabtab :) |
| 15:00.28 | directhex|work | !tell serj about quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 15:00.29 | neko` | just kline *.cablelink.ro :P |
| 15:00.37 | panda | bob2, and <DeLta> |
| 15:00.46 | panda | bob2, ok |
| 15:01.27 | serj | i am with testing now |
| 15:01.37 | serj | do i realy have to switch to unstable? |
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| 15:02.00 | directhex|work | serj, NO, which is why the bloody instructions tell youhow to NOT switch to unstable |
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| 15:02.14 | serj | damn i must be realy stupid |
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| 15:02.27 | directhex|work | serj, for undisclosed reasons, the nvidia packages are missing from sarge, so you pull those few packages from unstable. |
| 15:02.34 | takatumi | scatterp_: with ipw2100-source package? |
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| 15:02.46 | serj | aha i got it now |
| 15:02.47 | scatterp_ | takatumi, yes |
| 15:03.04 | greycat | am I the only one who feels queasy looking at that pseudo-C++ crap syntax for the apt.conf file? |
| 15:03.07 | takatumi | scatterp_: tried it with kernel-headers package? |
| 15:03.12 | directhex|work | greycat, not at all |
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| 15:03.29 | bob2 | greycat: yeah, they won't take my XML config file patches |
| 15:03.29 | greycat | I'd ask what drugs they were taking when they came up with it, but we already know. C++. |
| 15:03.31 | directhex|work | greycat, all c is wrong. shall i file a wishlist bug for changing to perl syntax? |
| 15:03.31 | takatumi | greycat: thought it was just me. |
| 15:03.31 | scatterp_ | takatumi, nope |
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| 15:03.36 | PerfDave | nSe: Uhm, that wasn't what I typed |
| 15:03.38 | bob2 | I even made a RELAX-NG schema! |
| 15:03.44 | Q-Zma | hi |
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| 15:03.56 | PerfDave | 14:42 < PerfDave> nSe: That's a matter of your X server configuration. "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", though you may have to hand-edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 if debconf doesn't give you the option of the resolution you want. |
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| 15:04.17 | nSe | PerfDave: even what you`ve typed... |
| 15:04.18 | Q-Zma | can anybody cosult me about mysqld configuration on debian? |
| 15:04.21 | SlayerXP | lo cope |
| 15:04.27 | Q-Zma | can anybody consult me about mysqld configuration on debian? |
| 15:04.32 | nSe | PerfDave: let me give you the error msg... |
| 15:04.34 | asg | Q-Zma: it's in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 15:04.42 | SlayerXP | Q-Zma: depends. if your problem is debian related, yes, if it's pebkac related, no. |
| 15:04.54 | romulo | hi i just installed xorg and now my keyboard doesnt work the key "/" wich im copying and pasting |
| 15:04.57 | romulo | help |
| 15:05.02 | greycat | !lose romulo |
| 15:05.04 | dpkg | romulo: You Lose. |
| 15:05.08 | directhex|work | romulo, no. because xorg isn't supported here, it's not in debian |
| 15:05.09 | PerfDave | romulo: xorg is not in Debian. |
| 15:05.11 | asg | romulo: debian doesn't have xorg, try #xorg |
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| 15:05.47 | nSe | PerfDave: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 15:05.58 | Q-Zma | we can't start listen mysqld at local network interfaces, it listens only local socket |
| 15:06.01 | greycat | nSe: as. root. |
| 15:06.03 | stew | nSe: as root |
| 15:06.10 | SlayerXP | Q-Zma: /part #debian; /join #mysql |
| 15:06.15 | bob2 | Q-Zma: oh, you didn't read the README.Debian? |
| 15:06.16 | greycat | Q-Zma: jesus fucking christ. |
| 15:06.18 | asg | Q-Zma: comment 'skip-networking', restart |
| 15:06.24 | infodroid | !be mysql barbie |
| 15:06.24 | dpkg | Setting up a mysql server is HARD! |
| 15:06.33 | greycat | not barbie enough. |
| 15:06.38 | asg | no, not at all |
| 15:06.40 | takatumi | scatterp_: well the kernel-headers for your running kernel does not seem to be available, either install a new kernel-image and the corresponding kernel-headers or continue with your compile. |
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| 15:06.51 | greycat | dpkg, no, be mysql barbie is <reply> reading the README.Debian is HARD! |
| 15:06.51 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 15:07.01 | MarcEisen | Anyone know how to tell crontab not to send root emails? |
| 15:07.14 | scatterp_ | takatumi, continue with my compile sounds good but i dont know how to |
| 15:07.20 | asg | MarcEisen: have your cronjobs stop writing to stdout/stderr |
| 15:07.23 | Q-Zma | bob2: no, we rent dedicated server with debian pair days ago, but we newbie in it |
| 15:07.24 | infodroid | greycat: hehe |
| 15:07.35 | bob2 | Q-Zma: then read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 15:07.38 | MarcEisen | asg: Can I just put >> /dev/null or something at the end of them? |
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| 15:07.53 | asg | MarcEisen: if you wish |
| 15:07.59 | PerfDave | nSe: Are you running as root? Are you running Debian? |
| 15:08.00 | MarcEisen | Alright, thanks. |
| 15:08.05 | asg | MarcEisen: >&/dev/null |
| 15:08.10 | Q-Zma | bob2: thanks a lot |
| 15:08.10 | greycat | hmm... it's not in woody's README.Debian |
| 15:08.14 | MarcEisen | asg: Ok, thanks a lot. |
| 15:08.27 | greycat | Wasn't it, like, SHOWN ON THE SCREEN when you installed mysql? |
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| 15:08.40 | nSe | PerfDave: i was not as root! i`ll do it... |
| 15:08.45 | asg | greycat: I thought it was in the README |
| 15:09.05 | takatumi | !tell scatterp_ -about norootfs |
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| 15:09.17 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Could you purge and reinstall the package? |
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| 15:09.41 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I *could*, but then our database would stop working.... |
| 15:09.42 | takatumi | greycat: try configure-debian |
| 15:09.43 | asg | greycat: well, then tell them to read the channel faq, we enumerated it there. |
| 15:09.55 | scatterp_ | takatumi, should initrd be used ? |
| 15:10.01 | greycat | asg: good. |
| 15:10.08 | scatterp_ | takatumi, thats not in my grub file |
| 15:10.22 | asg | greycat: 1.6 under the misc section |
| 15:10.42 | asg | greycat: the sarge and sid packages are now shipping bound to 127.0.0.1 by default now anyway. |
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| 15:11.03 | greycat | I started typing "!FAQ q<tab>" once, but then I wasn't sure whether that one were actually in the FAQ. |
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| 15:13.07 | takatumi | scatterp_: you need to build an initrd image with make-kpkg --initrd when you compile the kernel. |
| 15:13.22 | bob2 | or not build your own kernelo |
| 15:13.29 | bob2 | or bulid it properly so you don't need a initrd |
| 15:13.43 | ricky_clarkson | I've used Debian for almost 3 years and not built a kernel in that time. |
| 15:13.51 | scatterp_ | takatumi, after i make menuconfig and exit whats the exact line i should type ? |
| 15:13.57 | ricky_clarkson | Debian sid, that is. |
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| 15:14.17 | fabietto | directhex|work: ok, i rebooted the system... :-) |
| 15:14.26 | takatumi | scatterp_: make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 15:14.35 | scatterp_ | ok trying that now |
| 15:15.02 | greycat | who wants to bet he comes back with "bash: make-kpkg: command not found"? |
| 15:15.10 | mixter | hi! how can i pass questions from net-snmp to sensors so that i could check temperature, fan speed etc. via snmp? |
| 15:15.12 | fabietto | directhex|work I probably missed a step... do you remember what you seggested me to do after the "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper"? |
| 15:15.22 | serj | q |
| 15:15.29 | takatumi | scatterp_: also check /etc/kernel-img.conf for do_initrd = yes |
| 15:15.39 | scatterp_ | ok |
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| 15:16.28 | directhex|work | fabietto, i didn't suggest anything after that, that step would have created an ndiswrapper kernel module & installed it for yhou, you can take the rest from here |
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| 15:17.17 | fabietto | directhex|work... i don't remember the command you suggested to me to get the ndiswrapped module to be loaded with modprobe... :-/ |
| 15:17.42 | directhex|work | fabietto, did m-a a-i ndiswrapper complete successfully? |
| 15:17.57 | fabietto | directhex|work: yes |
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| 15:18.10 | n00dle` | hm |
| 15:18.20 | n00dle` | any idea how to find out the agp/pci bus number of my graphics adapter? |
| 15:18.20 | reNegad3 | whats the best way for searching packages with dpkg? When using fc3 I used 'rpm -qa | grep package name'. What would be the equiv? |
| 15:18.25 | n00dle` | lspci doesnt show it |
| 15:18.34 | bob2 | n00dle`: leave it blank unless you have more than two |
| 15:18.43 | bob2 | reNegad3: apt-cache search blah |
| 15:18.43 | bob2 | reNegad3: dpkg doesn't know or care |
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| 15:18.51 | n00dle` | bob2 - thanks |
| 15:19.00 | directhex|work | fabietto, then it created an ndiswrapper kernel module and put it in the right place for you. |
| 15:19.01 | reNegad3 | ok |
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| 15:19.08 | n00dle` | use kernel framebuffer device? |
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| 15:19.16 | greycat | !FAQ reNegad3 |
| 15:19.17 | dpkg | reNegad3: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:19.24 | jarjar26 | How could send mail with mail command ? because now if i send mail, the from is root@localhost, and yahoo mail refuse that ... thanks |
| 15:19.38 | nomed^ | why the scripts in /usr/bin belong to root but can be called by users? |
| 15:19.40 | greycat | bob2: actually, "rpm -qa" is roughly like "dpkg -l". |
| 15:19.46 | bob2 | oh |
| 15:19.47 | asg | jarjar26: use exim's /etc/email-addresss mapping |
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| 15:20.01 | bob2 | "searching packages" is a shit desctription, then |
| 15:20.02 | ricky_clarkson | nomed^: Because they have an 'x' in the 'others' permissions. man/info chmod |
| 15:20.07 | fabietto | directhex|work anyway, when i try to launch aptitude module-assistant && m-a a-i ndisweapper, i get the same message error referred to the incorrect kernel version... |
| 15:20.11 | greycat | jarjar26: fix your MTA configuration so that your domain is used properly. |
| 15:20.25 | greycat | jarjar26: and if you don't have your own domain, well, you're basically shafted. |
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| 15:20.38 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Can you point to individual wiki pages easily? |
| 15:20.43 | reNegad3 | lol sorry bob2 I should have been more descriptive ;) |
| 15:20.46 | directhex|work | fabietto, okay, now you're contradicting yourself. start again. what does uname -r say, is module-assistant installed? |
| 15:20.48 | ricky_clarkson | !wiki SillyPageThatDoesntExist |
| 15:20.49 | dpkg | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SillyPageThatDoesntExist |
| 15:20.52 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: you can cut and paste the URL from a browser |
| 15:20.56 | JGHG | Hello. How would I install gcc 2.95 beside 3.3.5? |
| 15:21.06 | asg | ricky_clarkson: it uses a hash to link to individual entries on the page. |
| 15:21.06 | bob2 | JGHG: install the gcc-2.95 package |
| 15:21.08 | fabietto | 2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 15:21.09 | greycat | JGHG: apt-get install gcc-2.95 |
| 15:21.31 | asg | ricky_clarkson: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/MiscellaneousPage#head-2e5049a73de0414019c373431425cce80e975242 (for the mysql port factoid) |
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| 15:21.58 | ricky_clarkson | Ugh. |
| 15:22.03 | jakjak | anyone know how to stop the SCSI module (aic7901) from enumarting all the speeds at startup? |
| 15:22.04 | asg | ricky_clarkson: yeah |
| 15:22.15 | fabietto | directhex|work: 2.4.27-2-k7... i don't know if module-assistant is installed... |
| 15:22.24 | directhex|work | fabietto, apt-get install module-assistant |
| 15:22.25 | greycat | jakjak: stop rebooting so damned often that it matters? |
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| 15:22.39 | jakjak | funny answer |
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| 15:22.45 | greycat | funny question |
| 15:22.46 | n00dle` | argh ffs i keep getting SCSI disck errors |
| 15:22.46 | JGHG | ok if I do this will my current 3.3.5 be left untouched? |
| 15:22.49 | jakjak | really? |
| 15:22.51 | greycat | JGHG: yes |
| 15:22.55 | Smerdyakov | Anyone had problems with Mailman failing silently after an upgrade? |
| 15:22.56 | JGHG | \o/ |
| 15:22.57 | n00dle` | i thought it checked for bad blocks and marked them already |
| 15:23.00 | ricky_clarkson | I can't read the rollover text on the icons on the wiki. |
| 15:23.00 | jakjak | say theres a power outage |
| 15:23.06 | asg | Smerdyakov: the bts would know. |
| 15:23.08 | jakjak | upS fails |
| 15:23.08 | ricky_clarkson | It appears partially under the mouse cursor. |
| 15:23.09 | fabietto | directhex|work: it was probably already installed... 17 files not updated |
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| 15:23.13 | greycat | jakjak: then your UPS is supposed to carry you through it. |
| 15:23.19 | jakjak | everyone should be down for 30 minutes? |
| 15:23.23 | nomed^ | ricky_clarkson: adsl-start has the same permitions of xpdf but a normal users can use it |
| 15:23.29 | greycat | what the fuck are you talking about, 30 minutes? |
| 15:23.32 | nomed^ | *can't |
| 15:23.34 | ricky_clarkson | What's the 'glasses' icon supposed to be? |
| 15:23.36 | greycat | the fsck might take that long, but not the modprobe... |
| 15:23.44 | jakjak | umm |
| 15:23.53 | jakjak | when the module loads |
| 15:23.55 | ricky_clarkson | nomed^: ls -l /usr/bin/adsl-start /usr/bin/xpdf |
| 15:23.58 | n00dle` | wtf? |
| 15:24.02 | jakjak | it enumarates all speeds |
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| 15:24.07 | directhex|work | fabietto, run m-a by hand. hit prepare, select etc. use the gui. |
| 15:24.08 | jakjak | like 500 of them for each drive |
| 15:24.11 | greycat | jakjak: which takes, what, 20 seconds? |
| 15:24.14 | jakjak | no |
| 15:24.20 | jakjak | about 15-20 mins |
| 15:24.21 | n00dle` | ext2-fs error ext2_wrte_inode: undable to read inode block blahblah |
| 15:24.28 | greycat | jakjak: so then report THAT as the problem. |
| 15:24.28 | jakjak | default debian kernel |
| 15:24.30 | JGHG | wow this rocked |
| 15:24.33 | n00dle` | lots of scsidisk i/o errors |
| 15:24.43 | greycat | jakjak: and ask someone who hacks linux scsi drivers, like #kernelnewbies or ##linux or ... |
| 15:24.45 | n00dle` | any idea wtf is going on |
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| 15:24.53 | greycat | n00dle`: broken hardware, usually. |
| 15:24.57 | jakjak | you use snadpaper for toilet paper or something? |
| 15:25.01 | n00dle` | its a 7300 powerpc |
| 15:25.06 | n00dle` | it never had any problems under macos |
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| 15:25.14 | iceman | haha thats funny |
| 15:25.16 | ricky_clarkson | jakjak: He's a bit catty at times. |
| 15:25.27 | iceman | n00dle`: I got the same freakin problem on my 9600 powerpc |
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| 15:25.40 | jakjak | i guess |
| 15:25.40 | n00dle` | iceman, really? i think its a scsi driver thing maybe? |
| 15:25.48 | iceman | got tired of it and made a raid1 out of two drives |
| 15:25.50 | nomed^ | ricky_clarkson: exactly the same |
| 15:25.57 | iceman | so now it's at least semi-reliable |
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| 15:26.08 | n00dle` | iceman, can i put an ide drive in this box then is what you're saying? |
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| 15:26.52 | ricky_clarkson | nomed^: What happens when you try to run adsl-start, and when you try to run xpdf? |
| 15:27.02 | iceman | n00dle`: I have no idea what's in your box |
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| 15:27.41 | nomed^ | ricky_clarkson: bash: adsl-start: command not found ... for xpdf ni problems |
| 15:28.03 | ricky_clarkson | nomed^: Is adsl-start in /usr/bin? |
| 15:28.15 | nomed^ | no sbin |
| 15:28.17 | ricky_clarkson | nomed^: command not found is NOT a permission problem, obviously. |
| 15:28.22 | ricky_clarkson | nomed^: Maybe sbin isn't on your PATH. |
| 15:28.31 | n00dle` | iceman, its got two hdds, both scsi |
| 15:28.34 | nomed^ | :D |
| 15:28.37 | n00dle` | 2gb and a 1gb plus a 12x cdrom |
| 15:28.39 | nomed^ | i'll check |
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| 15:29.16 | lightcap | how do I go about tracking the cause of a kernel oops? |
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| 15:29.30 | lightcap | my dedicated server is having a few too many of them of late |
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| 15:29.54 | nomed^ | ricky_clarkson: where should i check my path? |
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| 15:29.59 | nomed^ | :P |
| 15:30.10 | asg | lightcap: first, is anything interesting listed in /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/syslog? |
| 15:30.13 | ricky_clarkson | nomed^: echo $PATH |
| 15:30.26 | lightcap | oh yeah |
| 15:30.31 | lightcap | asg Feb 17 14:33:54 maya kernel: <1>Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 608a6448 |
| 15:30.43 | lightcap | asg thats the usual suspect |
| 15:30.51 | lightcap | asg though the caller varies |
| 15:30.55 | asg | lightcap: then try checking your filesystems (fsck) and run memtest86 |
| 15:30.57 | nomed^ | ricky_clarkson: it's not in my path |
| 15:31.08 | nomed^ | ricky_clarkson: now to add is? |
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| 15:31.12 | nomed^ | *it |
| 15:31.16 | ricky_clarkson | nomed^: man bash |
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| 15:31.22 | lightcap | asg: I was afraid of a hardware issue... |
| 15:31.36 | lightcap | asg: it's in a datacenter...dammit thats a trouble ticket |
| 15:31.49 | lightcap | asg: just got this server set up too... |
| 15:31.52 | asg | lightcap: it might be, it's hard to tell. I might be frobbed memory, bad swap, etc. |
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| 15:32.09 | nSe | where i can find my video card`s bus identifier!? my videocard is onboard and my manual did not give me any info about it... |
| 15:32.12 | ricky_clarkson | nomed^: Particularly find out about .bashrc and .bash_profile, and how to use them. Or just call /sbin/adsl-start instead of just adsl-start. |
| 15:32.13 | lightcap | asg: that was exactly what I was thinking as well |
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| 15:32.19 | PerfDave | nSe: Just leave it blank. |
| 15:32.38 | lightcap | asg: thanks, a reboot in the meantime should help |
| 15:32.38 | nSe | PerfDave: i`ll do, thanks... |
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| 15:32.46 | lightcap | asg: since dnscache will *not* start now |
| 15:33.00 | gary | ok, so can anyone help me with my apt-get troubles: http://www.pastebin.com/242932 |
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| 15:33.35 | asg | lightcap: ouch. Start by fscking filesystems then try recreating swap (or even moving to a swapfile on another partition for testing purposes) |
| 15:33.42 | ricky_clarkson | gary: The error message TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO. |
| 15:33.42 | Jacobo221 | is there any way to know if my console session is the first session in my tty since last bootup or not? |
| 15:33.47 | PerfDave | gary: Please paste your sources.list and make sure you've done "apt-get update" |
| 15:33.59 | n00dle` | 'sense key recovered error' <-- any idea what that means? man this box is giving me strife |
| 15:34.01 | mikeX | does anyone know how to properly install wxWidgets-dev 2.5x from the available debian packages? |
| 15:34.04 | asg | Jacobo221: last -a |pager |
| 15:34.20 | PerfDave | mikeX: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 15:34.25 | greycat | PerfDave: do NOT have them paste here. |
| 15:34.42 | PerfDave | greycat: It's obvious that gary has got the hang of a web-based pastebot. |
| 15:34.46 | mikeX | PerfDave, i'm running Sarge, and I tried installing the 2.5x packages from sid |
| 15:34.49 | Jacobo221 | asg: thanks :) that was very useful |
| 15:34.53 | gary | deb http://debian.medvantx.com/apt debian/opennms unstable |
| 15:34.53 | gary | deb http://the.earth.li/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 15:34.55 | asg | Jacobo221: you're welcome |
| 15:34.58 | gary | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main |
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| 15:35.02 | gary | that is my sources.list |
| 15:35.06 | PerfDave | greycat: OK, or maybe not |
| 15:35.09 | asg | PerfDave: or not |
| 15:35.27 | greycat | he's mixing unstable and stable? |
| 15:35.33 | PerfDave | gary: You're mixing stable packages with unstable packages and have bobbitted your system. |
| 15:35.49 | golan_ | hi guys, a question: is Anaconda included in the testing debian ? |
| 15:35.55 | gary | I didn't realise it was bad to do that |
| 15:35.58 | gary | i'll change it now |
| 15:35.58 | asg | !info anaconda sarge |
| 15:36.00 | PerfDave | mikeX: What's the name of the package you're trying to install? |
| 15:36.02 | directhex|work | golan_, the red hat installer? no |
| 15:36.07 | asg | golan_: nope |
| 15:36.29 | golan_ | i've heard that anaconda was released open source, and that it was going to be inside debian... false information? |
| 15:36.33 | directhex|work | golan_, look up Progeny for a debian-based distribution with red hat's installer |
| 15:36.42 | asg | golan_: it was used by progeny |
| 15:36.58 | mikeX | PerfDave, well I installed wx2.5-headers, -common and libwxgtk-2.5x-dev just fine |
| 15:37.03 | golan_ | ah ok... thank u folks |
| 15:37.05 | PerfDave | Anaconda doesn't work on non-(x86|sparc) does it? |
| 15:37.07 | lightcap | asg: I'm pretty sure about this, but there's no way to do a memtest or fsck remotely is there? |
| 15:37.12 | PerfDave | !info ligwxgtk-2.5x-dev sarge |
| 15:37.14 | directhex|work | PerfDave, amd64 too! |
| 15:37.20 | mikeX | PerfDave, by i can't compile my program (that worked fine before) |
| 15:37.21 | directhex|work | PerfDave, and i imaging PPC, for YDL |
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| 15:37.33 | nSe | which line should i type to reconfigure my keyboard? |
| 15:37.34 | golan_ | asg: where can i give the command !info anaconda sarge ? |
| 15:37.35 | JGHG | I "chmod +x file" but I still can't execute the file... what's wrong? |
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| 15:37.49 | asg | lightcap: there is if you have access to the console via serial terminal servers. |
| 15:38.00 | lightcap | nope |
| 15:38.01 | asg | golan_: /msg dpkg info <foo> sarge |
| 15:38.12 | PerfDave | mikeX: Hang on a minute. You've installed the packages from sid without error on your sarge box? (and set default-release in your apt.conf to stop you upgrading everything to sid?) |
| 15:38.12 | golan_ | ok... thanx |
| 15:38.23 | lightcap | asg: I wish... |
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| 15:38.34 | berzerka | JGHG: a+x instead of +x, (chmod manpage) and check the permissions/ownership with ls -l |
| 15:38.36 | asg | lightcap: hmmmm, I guess the folks at the datacenter will have to do it. Perhaps you should mention that it would be helpful to be able to hit console via remote serial |
| 15:38.41 | mikeX | PerfDave, wx2.5-common says it changes some 2.4 headers during installation |
| 15:38.44 | lightcap | yeah |
| 15:38.49 | Jacobo221 | asg: and with which commadn can I know in which console am I ? :) |
| 15:38.50 | lightcap | asg: its a serverbeach box |
| 15:38.59 | lightcap | asg: first month I've had it... |
| 15:39.01 | PerfDave | mikeX: Well, this is what you get when you install unstable packages on sarge ;) |
| 15:39.03 | asg | lightcap: there are pretty inexpensive appliances that can do that. |
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| 15:39.07 | asg | Jacobo221: tty |
| 15:39.15 | Jacobo221 | asg: thnx again :) |
| 15:39.18 | asg | Jacobo221: you're welcome again |
| 15:39.25 | PerfDave | mikeX: Are you sure you're passing the right library path for the 2.5 stuff to your compiler? |
| 15:39.29 | jcoiron | I once asked for the meaning of "many thanks [...] to Anthony Towns for hand-holding britney through the transition [...]", and was told Britney is a script. So I downloaded and printed the "Debian installation guide", "Debian reference", "apt-HOWTO", and finaly the "Debian Developer's reference" and looked at "Appendix A - Overview of Debian Maintainer Tool"... still I can't find a script called "Britney"... could anyone give me a hint on where to look ? |
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| 15:39.51 | nSe | PerfDave: i need to fix my keyboard first, what should i type to do that? |
| 15:39.58 | lightcap | asg: if it were a colo'ed box on a rack I had a little more control over, maybe...but serverbeach isn't set up for that sort of service ;) And I can't afford space in a real datacenter, heh. |
| 15:40.00 | possie | i'm doing a mt rewind /dev/tape, of my tape device, and in top it shows state D whicih means "Uninterrutable sleep" is this normal for a tape? it's rewinding now for euhmm 15minutes, can't say i hear the tape rewiding though |
| 15:40.02 | PerfDave | nSe: What do you mean "fix your keyboard"? |
| 15:40.11 | mikeX | PerfDave, well not really, it's supposed to be done automatically with 'wx-config', and the output of that changes after the installation |
| 15:40.13 | JGHG | -rwxr--r-- Still cant run it |
| 15:40.14 | abrotman | possie: sound somewhat like death to me |
| 15:40.15 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:40.17 | asg | lightcap: ah, that does put you in a bit of a bind. |
| 15:40.22 | Blissex | possie: it means the device is hanging a bit... |
| 15:40.32 | berzerka | JGHG: are you the file's owner? |
| 15:40.35 | PerfDave | mikeX: I have no idea about this "wx-config", I'm afraid. |
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| 15:40.36 | lightcap | asg: trouble ticket here I come |
| 15:40.38 | Blissex | possie: note that default tape devices rewind on close... |
| 15:40.44 | JGHG | yes says my name twice on that line |
| 15:40.47 | PerfDave | mikeX: Try asking on #wxwidgets |
| 15:40.52 | asg | lightcap: well, at least you have that :) |
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| 15:41.06 | berzerka | JGHG: try ./filename in the directory where it resides.. |
| 15:41.16 | mikeX | PerfDave, yeah i'm there too... *sigh* |
| 15:41.17 | asg | ah, beer |
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| 15:41.40 | JGHG | -rwxr--r-- 1 myname myname 89 2005-02-16 10:17 |
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| 15:41.44 | JGHG | berzerka: Tried that |
| 15:41.48 | possie | Blissex: okee, that kind of sucks :-) it's a Ultrium from HP |
| 15:42.04 | berzerka | JGHG: what error message does the bash give you? |
| 15:42.08 | JGHG | bash: ./hlds_start: Åtkomst nekas |
| 15:42.12 | JGHG | = Access denied |
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| 15:42.16 | greycat | try it with LANG=C |
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| 15:42.45 | Blissex | possie: the driver probably got in a twist -- happens sometimes. |
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| 15:43.00 | asg | JGHG: make sure it's executable and that your user has rights to run it |
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| 15:43.12 | berzerka | JGHG: strange.. and you are sure you are currently logged in as "myname" (or root) ? |
| 15:43.12 | reNegad3 | omg why do they make it so difficult to install 3d accel drivers? |
| 15:43.13 | Blissex | possie: especially if you are using a dodgy kernel, or a dodgy SCSI card. They are very temperamental. |
| 15:43.14 | greycat | I'm still waiting for the English version. |
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| 15:43.29 | greycat | I'm betting on "file system is mounted with `user'" at the moment. |
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| 15:43.34 | nSe | PerfDave: the layout of my keyboard isn`t working correctly, i need to turn it into ABNT2 instead of us |
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| 15:43.52 | JGHG | berzerka: Yes, tried with both (I go 'su' for root) |
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| 15:44.10 | asg | reNegad3: because the drivers are closed source crap, the open source 2d drivers work just swimingly |
| 15:44.15 | PerfDave | nSe: Is this in X or elsewhere? |
| 15:44.17 | TinoW | how is one supposed to create a harddisk image from scratch? |
| 15:44.18 | harpiain | hi, guys! I want to do a server for postgresql. I want a high performance server. What the best way to do this? |
| 15:44.21 | greycat | JGHG: LANG=C; ./hlds_server |
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| 15:44.41 | asg | TinoW: debootstrap |
| 15:44.42 | greycat | harpiain: spend a lot. |
| 15:44.50 | reNegad3 | asg, ;D |
| 15:44.52 | PerfDave | harpiain: apt-get install postgresql |
| 15:44.54 | bikenig | hi, does someone know how to setup bell-consol to off |
| 15:45.06 | Rawplayer | xset bell off |
| 15:45.08 | JGHG | nothing :-( |
| 15:45.09 | greycat | bikenig: /msg dpkg bell |
| 15:45.10 | Rawplayer | or something like that |
| 15:45.10 | asg | bikenig: /msg dpkg bell |
| 15:45.11 | SlayerXP | harpiain: buy an 8 way opteron 852 box with 64 gb of ram and a myrinet NAS system. install postgres. |
| 15:45.15 | asg | !win greycat |
| 15:45.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:45.28 | JGHG | oh well it worked in the other window system, ill just have to run it there |
| 15:45.32 | reNegad3 | !party reNegad3 |
| 15:45.36 | berzerka | JGHG: thats very strange... |
| 15:45.40 | PerfDave | SlayerXP: I'm going for a 4-way opteron HE system with 12Gb of RAM and a few hundred gigs of local storage ;p |
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| 15:45.52 | greycat | berzerka: yes, it's very strange indeed that he refuses to show me the exact error message in English. |
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| 15:45.58 | SlayerXP | PerfDave: can't you afford a proper computer? |
| 15:46.12 | PerfDave | SlayerXP: It's perfectly adequate for my needs. |
| 15:46.14 | nSe | PerfDave: in X, sounds better... |
| 15:46.24 | berzerka | greycat: he did: bash: ./hlds_start: Access Denied |
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| 15:46.26 | greycat | berzerka: and then goes and blames it on his "window system", as if that has some impact on the mount options of the file system he's in |
| 15:46.27 | bikenig | it isn't a xfree environment... for xbell |
| 15:46.33 | PerfDave | nSe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, as you've already been told |
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| 15:46.41 | SlayerXP | PerfDave: pffft. it'll barely cope with minesweeper and freecell at the same time |
| 15:46.47 | berzerka | greycat: well.. :) |
| 15:46.53 | PerfDave | SlayerXP: I'm running Linux on it, not Windows ;) |
| 15:46.57 | greycat | 10:42 JGHG> bash: ./hlds_start: Åtkomst nekas |
| 15:46.57 | greycat | 10:44 greycat> JGHG: LANG=C; ./hlds_server |
| 15:46.57 | greycat | 10:46 berzerka> greycat: he did: bash: ./hlds_start: Access Denied |
| 15:47.03 | SlayerXP | oh, let you off then |
| 15:47.06 | possie | Blissex: i don't really have like a special tape driver installed, just the common scsi tape module st.o |
| 15:47.21 | JGHG | greycat: you're probably right but it did work when I used that other system |
| 15:47.27 | greycat | WHAT other system?? |
| 15:47.29 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 15:47.30 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 15:47.32 | berzerka | greycat, he said two lines later: = Access denied |
| 15:47.34 | greycat | WHAT system are you using NOW? |
| 15:47.35 | reNegad3 | ./hlds_run?? |
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| 15:47.49 | greycat | berzerka: that's a HUMAN translation. I don't want that. I want the LITERAL ERROR IN ENGLISH, from LANG=C. |
| 15:48.00 | JGHG | I dont know its pretty and with colours |
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| 15:48.07 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 15:48.08 | abrotman | JGHG: that helps |
| 15:48.10 | asg | hehe |
| 15:48.10 | Blissex | possie: that does occasionally lock up... especially if your SCSI setup is not absolutely perfect (termination etc.). |
| 15:48.10 | berzerka | greycat, well youre rite of course.. |
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| 15:48.15 | abrotman | right |
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| 15:48.36 | abrotman | !bless the alpha router |
| 15:48.36 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child the alpha router, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 15:48.46 | JGHG | thanks anyway, :-) |
| 15:48.50 | possie | Blissex: i have a scsi cable with a terminator |
| 15:48.53 | greycat | nobody who says "I dont know its pretty and with colours" is allowed to run a server. |
| 15:49.04 | berzerka | pretty and with colors... *shakes head in disgust* ;) |
| 15:49.04 | abrotman | !rootsmite JGHG |
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| 15:49.12 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Unfortunately, you're wrong. |
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| 15:49.36 | Blissex | possie: yes, but sometimes that is not quite all that you need to do. |
| 15:50.01 | Blissex | possie: try switching off you tape drive, wait 20 secs and switch it on again, it might unlock. |
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| 15:50.18 | TinoW | asg: where is it? |
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| 15:50.44 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: we shall see. or you shall, since I've got him on /ignore. |
| 15:51.11 | nSe | PerfDave: sorry, i`m not been understanded... what i mean is: before reconfigurinf my X, i need to reconfigure my keyboard (becouse configuring X needs to deal with keyboard), so how can i change from us kind to ABNT2 kind? |
| 15:51.13 | asg | TinoW: /msg dpkg debootstrap ; apt-get install debootstrap |
| 15:51.13 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I meant in general, idiots can run servers after all. |
| 15:51.23 | abrotman | i do! |
| 15:51.26 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: anyone who's sufficiently idiotic cannot. |
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| 15:51.42 | PerfDave | nSe: Didn't you specify the keyboard you had when you installed Debian? |
| 15:51.48 | jetscreamer | gedit is not good for replace on a corrupted .conf that is 18megs big |
| 15:51.55 | Rawplayer | paypal is free right? |
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| 15:52.07 | greycat | Rawplayer: they make money. so no. |
| 15:52.14 | asg | Rawplayer: 'pay' implies non-free |
| 15:52.22 | abrotman | jetscreamer: erm .. no . |
| 15:52.26 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Not really in that context. |
| 15:52.27 | Blissex | asg: of course not. |
| 15:52.32 | jetscreamer | i think he means does it cost him anything personally |
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| 15:52.36 | asg | ricky_clarkson: I know, I was taking the micky |
| 15:52.36 | abrotman | jetscreamer: of course .. editing an 18MB isn't good :) |
| 15:52.36 | dbron | asess? |
| 15:52.45 | ricky_clarkson | assess |
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| 15:52.48 | greycat | jetscreamer: well, is he the payer or the payee? |
| 15:52.51 | PerfDave | Paypal steal people's money, it's hwo they make a business. |
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| 15:52.56 | asg | Blissex: and I meant in the beer sense, not the libre sense. |
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| 15:53.00 | Guri_RS | preciso de um Help: Tenho o samba instalado, e não consigo montar uma pasta na rede, nem com smbfs e nem com smbmount que por sinal naum existe. |
| 15:53.03 | PerfDave | !es |
| 15:53.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:53.03 | Guri_RS | preciso de um Help: Tenho o samba instalado, e não consigo montar uma pasta na rede, nem com smbfs e nem com smbmount que por sinal naum existe. |
| 15:53.07 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 15:53.08 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:53.09 | nSe | PerfDave: yes i did, but i did the wrong one, i`m stupid... |
| 15:53.12 | asg | speaking of beer ... |
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| 15:53.21 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 15:53.33 | jetscreamer | !beer Guri_RS |
| 15:53.36 | asg | abrotman: ah, just what I liberated from the clutches of the fridge. |
| 15:53.36 | alfatau | hi, could i boot my machine with the fs mounted in read only mode? |
| 15:53.41 | nSe | PerfDave: Guri_RS is not hispan, he is brazilian! |
| 15:53.47 | abrotman | asg: working from home? |
| 15:53.52 | jetscreamer | i already did the br thing |
| 15:53.52 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 15:53.57 | abrotman | asg: slacker :) |
| 15:54.00 | agenteo | hi I need to install hpijs on my debian sarge, but it's going to install xfree86-common too... how can I avoid this? Is it save? I don't understand way a printer driver should need the x files... |
| 15:54.05 | Ferret | PerfDave: by configure do you mean set, or do you mean altering the actual layouts? |
| 15:54.18 | asg | abrotman: as I've said before, I get more done. I can't multiplex personal contact. |
| 15:54.19 | ricky_clarkson | Choose hangovers. Choose talking bullshit. Choose disappointing sex. Choose pubs. CHOOSE BEER. |
| 15:54.37 | jetscreamer | wine sux |
| 15:54.38 | PerfDave | Ferret: nSe has some weird-arse keyboard so apparently he can't type "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86". I'm wondering if this might not be a bootstrap problem. |
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| 15:54.39 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Only got one arm, huh? |
| 15:54.40 | abrotman | asg: you need a co-processor or something .. new ALU maybe ? |
| 15:54.42 | jetscreamer | the beverage |
| 15:54.43 | Delph | ricky_clarkson: you forgot Choose to stink of smoke in the morning... |
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| 15:54.54 | abrotman | !wine jetscreamer |
| 15:55.00 | asg | ricky_clarkson: well, I've a beer in the other so ... |
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| 15:55.05 | ricky_clarkson | Delph: Wetherspoons are going to ban smoking in some of their pubs in June or so. |
| 15:55.05 | PerfDave | Delph: Uhm, you can drink beer without smoking. |
| 15:55.06 | iceman | ahhh I love the smell of smoke in the morning |
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| 15:55.20 | jetscreamer | i like burnt gunpowder smell |
| 15:55.28 | jetscreamer | and wooden matches |
| 15:55.40 | kevinz | is the mplayer the best choice to view things like .mov .rmvb? or is nothing better than MS windows to do this job? |
| 15:55.40 | Delph | PerfDave: its hard, however. |
| 15:55.41 | ricky_clarkson | Do you like the smell of burning gasoline too? |
| 15:55.43 | asg | ricky_clarkson: fine by me, I always smoke outside. |
| 15:55.46 | abrotman | jetscreamer: sulfur ? |
| 15:55.47 | bob2 | kevinz: mplayer |
| 15:55.48 | jetscreamer | not really |
| 15:55.49 | alfatau | hi, could i boot my debian machine with the fs in read only mode? |
| 15:55.50 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe coupled with your own flesh? |
| 15:55.56 | jetscreamer | abrotman, i dunno |
| 15:55.57 | sjoeboo | has anyone (in the boston area) been able to stop by the linux expo this week? |
| 15:56.04 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson, you're a kinky fellow i see |
| 15:56.09 | kevinz | bob2: oh, thanks, but what should i do as mplayer can not be got from source |
| 15:56.14 | kevinz | source apt |
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| 15:56.17 | sml | Oh yay! My OpenPGP smartcard has just arrived! wohoooo |
| 15:56.24 | jetscreamer | !tell kevinz about marillat |
| 15:56.27 | bob2 | kevinz: of course it can |
| 15:56.27 | PerfDave | Delph: Not really. |
| 15:56.32 | bob2 | kevinz: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 15:56.40 | PerfDave | kevinz: I use vlc and xine. |
| 15:56.41 | iceman | so I've set up my md0 raid device and it's all fine.. can I make this persistant somehow, so I can mount it at boot from fstab? |
| 15:56.45 | Ferret | PerfDave: Dunno about that. But he should probably try /etc/init.d/keymap.sh reload |
| 15:56.50 | Ferret | Delph: Hiyas. |
| 15:56.57 | directhex|work | iceman, good question. /msg me the answer if someone reveals it |
| 15:57.04 | Rawplayer | kevinz: change nick :) |
| 15:57.06 | kevinz | oh ... is marillat good enough, as good as the official packages? |
| 15:57.13 | harpiain | I already install postgresql, but I don't have money to buy that hardware. Can I do this with a less expensive hardware (like atlhonXP 1800). Sorry if I desapointed you. :-( |
| 15:57.13 | Rawplayer | i get highlights all the time ;)) |
| 15:57.19 | asg | kevinz: there are no official mplayer packages |
| 15:57.26 | jetscreamer | kevinz, yeah works great less filling |
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| 15:57.42 | asg | harpiain: it will be as 'high performance' as your hardware will allow. |
| 15:57.43 | PerfDave | harpiain: You can run PostgreSQL on an Athlon just fine. |
| 15:57.49 | jetscreamer | i am very dissappointed, harpiain |
| 15:57.57 | kevinz | asg: oh i see |
| 15:57.58 | Delph | Ferret: hiyas. |
| 15:58.01 | jetscreamer | *zorg |
| 15:58.04 | Delph | you coming over our way, then? |
| 15:58.14 | kevinz | jetscreamer: but is marillat safe enough?? |
| 15:58.18 | Ferret | Delph: In about an hour, as it happens. |
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| 15:58.23 | Delph | Ferret: tsk, no fair. |
| 15:58.25 | jetscreamer | xorg...zorg..... anybody watch fifth element? |
| 15:58.28 | ricky_clarkson | kevinz: No, he lives in a country where the army like to surrender. |
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| 15:58.29 | Delph | Ferret: am stealing leo towards london =:( |
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| 15:58.32 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: borg |
| 15:58.33 | Ferret | Delph: Vervain has a day off tomorrow. :D |
| 15:58.36 | jetscreamer | kevinz, yes. many ppl use it. me included. |
| 15:58.36 | asg | jetscreamer: have it on dvd |
| 15:58.39 | jetscreamer | yeah and borg too |
| 15:58.40 | Delph | oh, you're coming here? |
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| 15:58.43 | Delph | yay. |
| 15:58.44 | nSe | i need to reconfigure my keyboard, what should i try? |
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| 15:58.52 | jetscreamer | xorg is evil! |
| 15:58.56 | stew | nSe: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 15:59.03 | kevinz | ricky_clarkson: :o |
| 15:59.09 | kevinz | jetscreamer: oh cool |
| 15:59.10 | dvs | jetscreamer: No, XFree86 is! |
| 15:59.10 | Blissex | nSe: 'xkeycaps', or under KDE the 'kxkb' etc. control panels |
| 15:59.14 | TinoW | asg: as I understand, debootstrap creates a directory layout? |
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| 15:59.25 | PerfDave | Blissex: nSe is in concosle mode |
| 15:59.28 | asg | TinoW: yes |
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| 15:59.34 | harpiain | What about a cluster with 3 iqual hardware (atholonXP 1800)? |
| 15:59.39 | TinoW | asg: but not a disk image? |
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| 16:00.14 | asg | TinoW: no, what kind of disk image are you looking for? what are you trying to do? |
| 16:00.14 | kevinz | i learn from "dpkg" that there is a "dpkg-buildpackage", so should i always use that instead of doing Make myself? |
| 16:00.25 | PerfDave | harpiain: The versions of Postgres available in Debian are not good at clustering. PostgreSQL 8.0 is supposed to support it, but I haven't played with it. |
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| 16:00.48 | PerfDave | kevinz: dpkg-buildpackage is for working with Debian source packages. See the APT HOWTO. |
| 16:00.49 | TinoW | asg: I need a disk image to boot via pxe (pxelinux/syslinux) with my custom kernel, some tools and ssh |
| 16:00.54 | tdonahue | hi all |
| 16:00.56 | PerfDave | kevinz: You shouldn't need to compile anything from source on Debian. |
| 16:01.07 | TinoW | asg: and aparently the 2.8MB floppy image does not fit |
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| 16:01.16 | asg | TinoW: oh, that kind of image |
| 16:01.33 | kevinz | PerfDave: oh thanks, so it is only for Debian source... i see now, thanks |
| 16:01.50 | asg | TinoW: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/pxelinux.0 (try that I guess) |
| 16:02.01 | TinoW | asg: and I came so far to losetup the file, cfdisk on it but now I wonder how to format and access the partition |
| 16:02.13 | tdonahue | does anyone know of any remote control applications for linux that work like Webex where you can grab control of a user's desktop? |
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| 16:02.17 | TinoW | asg: have that. Thats the loaders - still need to build the image |
| 16:02.21 | Tendem | Who can help me with BitchX please pm me |
| 16:02.29 | abrotman | #bitchx |
| 16:02.32 | asg | TinoW: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz |
| 16:02.33 | R1ck | Tendem: apt-get irssi |
| 16:02.37 | PerfDave | tdonahue: VNC? |
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| 16:02.58 | TinoW | asg: generic kernels dont have the driver for the hardware - and still I need some more tools |
| 16:02.58 | possie | Blissex: using /dev/st0 should be okee right? I'm getting kernel messages now about the tape device and scsi card aic7xxx |
| 16:03.00 | asg | TinoW: there's a faq for netinstalling a soekris box at planet.debian.org. Might give you some pointers |
| 16:03.03 | R1ck | dont PM me Tendem |
| 16:03.04 | tdonahue | I know about VNC, i'm looking for somethting that will allow me to reach behind a NAT'ed user's firewall for road warriors |
| 16:03.06 | abrotman | whooops .. no #bitchx |
| 16:03.06 | sml | in #bitchx do you get a free t0r n0de with every correct question answered ? |
| 16:03.10 | TinoW | and I dont like to use nfs |
| 16:03.15 | PerfDave | tdonahue: VNC and port forwarding |
| 16:03.16 | sml | abrotman^^^ |
| 16:03.26 | abrotman | sml: there isn't one .. not that i can see |
| 16:03.26 | PerfDave | tdonahue: And SSH tunnels |
| 16:03.26 | Tendem | rick here is too many posts to ask |
| 16:03.31 | possie | Blissex: scsi1:0:3:0: Attempting to queue an ABORT message |
| 16:03.33 | Tendem | we wont see each otjer |
| 16:03.34 | Python_ | hi i am looking at trying different desktop styles what is everyons favorite |
| 16:03.34 | TinoW | asg: I guess I end up formatting a CF-Card and copy the file off it |
| 16:03.39 | possie | Blissex: CDB: 0x1b 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x1 0x0 |
| 16:03.42 | possie | Blissex: etc :-) |
| 16:03.51 | asg | TinoW: what are you installing it on? |
| 16:03.53 | directhex|work | kevinz, you can generate debian source using 'dh_make'. your mileage may vary, but it was 101% trivial for me to make a complete debian package for the Doomsday Doom engine replacement |
| 16:03.56 | Blissex | possie: bad news... Have you power cycled the tape unit? |
| 16:03.58 | LunarFault | anybody here good at debuging make errors? |
| 16:04.00 | TinoW | asg: what do you mean by "on" ? |
| 16:04.01 | r011 | what backup script/tool is the best to use? On my box i have a posgresql db too. |
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| 16:04.11 | asg | TinoW: what machine |
| 16:04.24 | abrotman | what type of machine |
| 16:04.24 | tdonahue | PerfDave, unfortunately we aren't talking about very computer literate users and the I have no way to setup port forwarding on the firewall (I have no control over it) |
| 16:04.27 | gilles | Something prevents me from connecting to my server in extern on Debian, therefore it works from Windows, I can't find why (?) |
| 16:04.28 | TinoW | asg: big server box. dell poweredge |
| 16:04.30 | possie | Blissex: yes indeed |
| 16:04.34 | Blissex | possie: after power cycling the tape unit you can reset the SCSI bus, if there is nothing else active on it. |
| 16:04.37 | abrotman | with a CERC ? |
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| 16:04.45 | directhex|work | kevinz, i.e. tar zxvf doomsday-1.8.5.tar.gz; cd doomsday-1.8.5; dh_make, nano debian/control; dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:04.52 | Blissex | possie: then run 'scsi-rescan-bus.sh' for example. |
| 16:04.56 | asg | TinoW: did you try the images at '/msg dpkg custom netinst' ? |
| 16:05.01 | possie | Blissex: ow ow.... okee ill run that script |
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| 16:05.27 | R1ck | Tendem: DONT PM ME |
| 16:05.34 | abrotman | !guidelines |
| 16:05.34 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't repeat questions. Read and grow; show growth in new questions. 3) Reading technical documentation is a skill, please persevere, it's worth it. 4) If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later. 5) Please use /msg to talk to the bots. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood, not here. 8) Don't use colours or bold, do not run scripts. 9) No Trolls. 10) see <msg> |
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| 16:05.41 | TinoW | asg: after all, I dont want to run the installer - at least not via konsole - since I have no access to the console. I need a desaster recovery boot I can invoke to fix things |
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| 16:06.00 | Blissex | possie: but I suspect something bad with your SCSI setup. Lockups do happen because of bugs, but usually they are because of annoying electrical problems with the SCSI bus. |
| 16:06.04 | abrotman | i guess actually wanted !msg |
| 16:06.22 | Python_ | what is everyones favorite desktop eviroment? |
| 16:06.25 | possie | Blissex: okee well i did used the wrong device i guess in first place, nts0 |
| 16:06.28 | Laibsch | PerfDave: I successfully installed and configured exim4. reportbug will still not send any message. I still get "SMTP send failure: (-2, 'Name or service not known'). Any ideas? |
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| 16:06.41 | Python_ | i am wanting to try somthing other then kde and flux |
| 16:06.51 | greycat | dpkg, guidelines =~ s/8) Don't use colours or bold, do not run scripts. 9) No Trolls./8) Don't run scripts or use public away/back. 9) No trolls or spam./ |
| 16:07.13 | PerfDave | tdonahue: Then how can this other thing you were talking about penetrate NAT? |
| 16:07.18 | greycat | dpkg, guidelines =~ s#8) Don't use colours or bold, do not run scripts. 9) No Trolls.#8) Don't run scripts or use public away/back. 9) No trolls or spam.# |
| 16:07.18 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 16:07.34 | kevinz | directhex|work: ah, so cool... |
| 16:07.35 | possie | Blissex: yes the tape comes out now, since i run rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
| 16:07.37 | bob2 | greycat: hahahahaha |
| 16:07.38 | asg | TinoW: another option (one I used on our blades) is to 1) use debootstrap to create the filesystem layout with all the tools you need (chroot to it and apt-get install ...), 2) create a custom kernel with or w/o an initrd depending on your needs, 3) use bootcd to create a livecd of the debootstrap and kernel, 4) use the bootcd2disk to copy the livecd image to the box. |
| 16:07.45 | bob2 | greycat: you're entirely too optimistic |
| 16:07.55 | greycat | bob2: we already prevent colours/bold by +c. |
| 16:08.04 | PerfDave | Laibsch: I can only suggest that exim either isn't running, or isn't correctly configured. |
| 16:08.04 | kevinz | directhex|work: thanks! |
| 16:08.34 | bob2 | greycat: assuming that anyone will read the guidelines takes a special type of childlike innocence ;) |
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| 16:08.55 | greycat | bob2: they might read it when abrotman forces it onto the channel... |
| 16:08.57 | tdonahue | PerfDave, it uses a Java (I think) applet over an SSL tunnel, sort of like a lot of the web presentation systems work. |
| 16:08.58 | possie | Blissex: i'm using the cable i got with the tapedrive though |
| 16:09.02 | bob2 | hah |
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| 16:09.10 | abrotman | greycat: !moo :) |
| 16:09.11 | TinoW | asg: bootcd... |
| 16:09.12 | possie | Blissex: and its the only device on the scsi card |
| 16:09.16 | Blissex | possie: yes, but there can be millions of screwed up details. |
| 16:09.18 | directhex|work | greycat, bold isn't blocked by +c, only colors |
| 16:09.23 | greycat | bold |
| 16:09.29 | greycat | directhex|work: was that bold? |
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| 16:09.39 | Blissex | possie: like whether the card is terminated itself, whether the terminator is active or passive, and so on. |
| 16:09.40 | asg | TinoW: debian script that creates livecd out of a running system or kernel + filesystem chroot |
| 16:09.40 | possie | Blissex: damn hehe |
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| 16:09.45 | asg | TinoW: apt-cache show bootcd |
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| 16:09.54 | Blissex | possie: cards can be buggy, drivers can be buggy, firmware can be buggy too. |
| 16:10.00 | abrotman | couldn't we have dpkg /msg people the guidelines when they join ? |
| 16:10.05 | directhex|work | greycat, it appears not. freenode may behave differently to quakenet then |
| 16:10.05 | Laibsch | PerfDave: Thanx anyway. I will troubleshoot this further then. I guess if "mail -s Testing $my.account@domain.tld" does not work that is another hint that exim4 is not yet set up quite right. |
| 16:10.14 | greycat | abrotman: they already don't read the /topic and the existing dpkg msg... |
| 16:10.18 | bob2 | abrotman: what's the point? no one will read them |
| 16:10.20 | directhex|work | greycat, i waste my time bolding insults ot idiots then. live & learn |
| 16:10.21 | abrotman | greycat: well .. i suppose so |
| 16:10.27 | bob2 | abrotman: it already /notice's them on join |
| 16:10.30 | abrotman | it was just a thought .. someone might read it |
| 16:10.34 | possie | Blissex: you work a lot with tape drives? |
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| 16:10.47 | tdonahue | Ok, how about trying this another way, does anyone know of any open-sourced web presentation servers? |
| 16:11.07 | asg | abrotman: the people who would read it are generally the ones that don't come in here and go 'h3lp m3 Fux0rs!' |
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| 16:11.09 | Blissex | possie: I used to; now tape drives make no sense, I backup only to ATA disks. |
| 16:11.10 | abrotman | what's a web presentation ? |
| 16:11.19 | abrotman | asg: i suppose so |
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| 16:11.34 | possie | Blissex: but backup to ata disks... what about fire in the building? |
| 16:11.49 | PerfDave | tdonahue: But how can that penetrate NAT? |
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| 16:12.05 | directhex|work | possie, hotswap ata disks, with a chute into a big vat full of foam in the basement |
| 16:12.12 | sml_ | this bloody load balancing is *SHITE*. |
| 16:12.12 | greycat | abrotman: I don't know, but I probably can't see it on mozilla/HP-UX. |
| 16:12.16 | Blissex | possie: removable disks... |
| 16:12.23 | sml_ | just doesn't seem to work with sustained connections like IRC.. or ssh. |
| 16:12.41 | directhex|work | sml_, use BSD? |
| 16:12.50 | sml_ | and i dont really wanna do silly things with ip route2 to make sure traffic only goes a certain way if its ssh or irc traffic coz it *should* work as is. |
| 16:12.55 | abrotman | greycat: well .. maybe not .. powerpoint can do .. a reasonable job of making a slide based thingie |
| 16:12.59 | Blissex | possie: at home I have a poor man's solutioon, wait for a URL to a photo. |
| 16:13.02 | tdonahue | PerfDave, the user would be establishing the connection from the NAT'ed network, forming a stateful connection between the server and the client |
| 16:13.09 | sml_ | directhex|work: im using "next hop" and two default gateways. works ok for a bit.. then irc or ssh will just stop. |
| 16:13.15 | PerfDave | tdonahue: So why not do that with VNC? |
| 16:13.28 | greycat | abrotman: does it work on BOTH browsers? ie5 and ie6? |
| 16:13.32 | sml_ | I thought that linux did route caching so.. i cant see why traffic would suddenly start going the other way |
| 16:13.36 | tdonahue | VNC can establish a connection to a host? |
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| 16:13.40 | PerfDave | tdonahue: Yes |
| 16:13.49 | M23 | anyone got an example of apt.conf with a proxy server setting in it for me to see? |
| 16:13.49 | tdonahue | I thought the client had to establish the connection. |
| 16:13.51 | PerfDave | tdonahue: Or you could use SSH reverse portforwarding. |
| 16:13.57 | PerfDave | tdonahue: You thought wrong. |
| 16:14.19 | greycat | M23: uh... re-run base-config maybe? |
| 16:14.20 | tdonahue | ok, then i'll have to go and take a look at that. thanks for your help PerfDave |
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| 16:14.34 | sml__ | and again... |
| 16:14.36 | sml__ | :( |
| 16:14.38 | M23 | greycat, ok. |
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| 16:15.17 | Aaaargh | shit i feel like shit this morning. |
| 16:15.18 | Aaaargh | :/ |
| 16:15.38 | PerfDave | M23: zless /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 16:15.38 | Blissex | possie: http://www.sabi.co.uk/xirc/extSlotDisk1.jpg |
| 16:15.40 | mairu | That's pretty shitty. |
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| 16:16.10 | abrotman | greycat: they have some generic crap that works with all that i tried .. kind of sucks ... but at least it works |
| 16:16.16 | sml__ | i do ip route add default scope global equalize nexthop via <foo> dev eth1 nexthop via <bar> dev eth1, where foo and bar are both ADSL devices. |
| 16:16.25 | possie | Blissex: that's the device you take home everyday? |
| 16:16.28 | Aaaargh | i only got 2 goddamn hours of sleep |
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| 16:16.33 | sml__ | however as you can see the results are far from perfect. |
| 16:16.37 | M23 | PerfDave, yeah, I looked at that before, but I still could not get it to work. base-config on apt seems to be doing the job though |
| 16:16.41 | abrotman | Aaaargh: whose fault is that? |
| 16:16.54 | Aaaargh | i was up all night looking at porno |
| 16:16.56 | Aaaargh | :P |
| 16:17.05 | sml__ | [04:10] [sml__] is ~pioggia@fw.gmsl.co.uk piove [04:10] [sml_] is ~pioggia@i-195-137-107-114.freedom2surf.net |
| 16:17.06 | Blissex | possie: that's the one that I have at home. It is a very cheap extrnal USB2/FW box with a removable extra-cheap drawer bodged in. |
| 16:17.10 | PerfDave | resiak: It's Mister Jenkins, the crotchety old janitor! |
| 16:17.12 | sml__ | as you can see... those are the two ADSL's |
| 16:17.15 | resiak | And Aaaargh is in fact ... Pha ted! |
| 16:17.24 | Aaaargh | Phated? |
| 16:17.28 | possie | Blissex: btw the cable i have seems to have active terminator, at least there is this block on the end of the cable |
| 16:17.28 | resiak | Aaaargh: Never mind. |
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| 16:17.30 | Blissex | possie: I then cantake out the hard disks and carry them to wherever. |
| 16:17.33 | sml__ | seems that route caching is disabled, is that possible ? |
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| 16:17.45 | greycat | PerfDave: And I would've gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for those damned kids! |
| 16:17.47 | johnnyST | What is the command to store alsa settings? |
| 16:17.51 | sml__ | either that or there be gRemLinS in the machine :) |
| 16:17.58 | PerfDave | greycat: Ruh-roh! |
| 16:18.10 | dvs | johnnyST: alsactl store |
| 16:18.15 | johnnyST | ok |
| 16:18.18 | possie | Blissex: when you used tape, what kind of software did you use to backup? |
| 16:18.27 | PerfDave | resiak: Definitely Phated. Nails. |
| 16:18.51 | Aaaargh | Phated? |
| 16:19.04 | greycat | phated is also here... idle 1 hour 13 minutes |
| 16:19.05 | PerfDave | Phated! |
| 16:19.19 | resiak | PHATED! |
| 16:19.26 | directhex|work | why would Phated conect from a Sacramento-based ISP? |
| 16:19.29 | Blissex | possie: just 'tar' or 'pax'. |
| 16:19.33 | resiak | directhex|work: Disguise! |
| 16:19.35 | asg | directhex|work: and be called jason |
| 16:19.38 | PerfDave | directhex|work: To spread fear and confusion |
| 16:19.43 | abrotman | directhex|work: huh? |
| 16:19.45 | sml__ | anyone here know where on proc "route caching" is ? |
| 16:19.46 | directhex|work | PerfDave, fear, uncertainty & doubt? |
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| 16:19.52 | PerfDave | directhex|work: That too |
| 16:19.56 | greycat | sml__: try ##linux or #kernelnewbies |
| 16:20.03 | greycat | or #iptables |
| 16:20.16 | abrotman | rough channel |
| 16:20.17 | PerfDave | sml__: /proc/net/rt_cache ? |
| 16:20.25 | PerfDave | Yay, my fave! |
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| 16:20.59 | ricky_clarkson | Is the reply to traceroute an ICMP Port Unreachable message? |
| 16:21.04 | PerfDave | Aaaargh: You're very aggressive. Have you considered meditation, and a nice mug of jasmine tea? |
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| 16:21.16 | resiak | (or morphine.) |
| 16:21.24 | ricky_clarkson | Aaaargh: Don't /msg me. |
| 16:21.29 | *** mode/#debian [+q Aaaargh!*@*] by LoRez |
| 16:21.34 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: it's a TTL Exceeded type thing, isn't it? Each traceroute probe ups the TTL by one. |
| 16:21.36 | njan | nice move, LoRez :) |
| 16:21.36 | asg | resiak: then it would be blathering online |
| 16:21.45 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Yes, that's the output. What's the reply? |
| 16:21.49 | LoRez | I don't see him actually contributing to the channel. |
| 16:21.58 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Erm. |
| 16:22.02 | abrotman | i don't even like tea .. and i'd like some |
| 16:22.03 | possie | Blissex: did you perhaps know how i can find out what blocksize to use for my tapedrive? |
| 16:22.09 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: I mean, what's the reply when it gets to the destination? |
| 16:22.17 | bob2 | Aaaargh: probably best to stay on-topic and polite, or move on |
| 16:22.17 | abrotman | LoRez: where are you when the other idiots are here(besides me)? |
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| 16:22.33 | LoRez | abrotman: probably asleep or afk :) |
| 16:22.34 | ricky_clarkson | Aaaargh: If you want to talk more, I'll talk to you on #123. |
| 16:22.39 | ssj4conejo | what package do i need so i can have the startx command? |
| 16:22.45 | Blissex | possie: it is always a multiple of 512B. Something like 32KB sounds OK. |
| 16:22.48 | resiak | !faq ssj4conejo |
| 16:22.49 | dpkg | ssj4conejo: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:22.51 | directhex|work | ssj4conejo, x-window-system-core |
| 16:23.00 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, Aaaargh seems to want me to commit incest with my deceased grandfather. |
| 16:23.11 | possie | Blissex: k |
| 16:23.12 | njan | ricky_clarkson, don't invite him to #123 - it's nice and quiet, we don't want him in there.. |
| 16:23.18 | Blissex | possie: note that modern serpentine or helical tape drives have fixed sector sizes like modern hard disks. |
| 16:23.19 | ricky_clarkson | njan: Good point. |
| 16:23.29 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Presumably whatever the standard ping response is. |
| 16:23.32 | njan | ricky_clarkson, it's meant to be invitation only, if you ask everyone in there it'll end up being a craphole :( |
| 16:23.34 | sml__ | PerfDave: thats coz each hop removes a TTL its some kind of local network loopback so that if its ever TTL = 0 an ICMP is sent back is that right? if so how does traceroute in icmp mode work ? do icmps even have a TTL ? |
| 16:23.36 | abrotman | of course .. the guy isn't here now .. grr |
| 16:23.43 | asg | ricky_clarkson: look at the '-p' option in the traceroute manpage |
| 16:23.46 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: traceroute isn't a ping. |
| 16:24.04 | resiak | Where'd he go? |
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| 16:24.09 | neko` | it's ping on windows |
| 16:24.10 | neko` | which is sad |
| 16:24.12 | abrotman | where'd who go? |
| 16:24.24 | sml__ | i use hping2 to traceroute since people i usually connect to are paranoid and block useful things like icmp and udp. they're braindead basically. |
| 16:24.29 | a-atwood | he's still showing on list |
| 16:24.32 | ricky_clarkson | How can I make irssi repeat a chain of outputs with pauses between? |
| 16:24.34 | resiak | abrotman: Oh, he is still here. I couldn't find him in my tab-completion. |
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| 16:24.39 | sml__ | you cna manually firewalk a firewall using traceroute :) |
| 16:24.43 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: /j #irssi |
| 16:24.44 | abrotman | resiak: you silly goose |
| 16:24.44 | sml__ | and a little bit of math :) |
| 16:24.52 | PerfDave | "This program attempts to trace the route an IP packet would follow to some internet host by launching UDP probe packets with a small ttl (time to live) then listening for an ICMP "time exceeded" reply from a gateway" - from "man traceroute" |
| 16:24.54 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: sounds like flooding :) |
| 16:25.03 | resiak | abrotman: Don't you start on geese. |
| 16:25.12 | sml__ | i guess im never going to get this "load balancing" working i might try the tc device... see if that helps (skin the cat a different way) |
| 16:25.14 | Flimzy | traceroute usually sends UDP packets, not ICMP. Although it can use ICMP. |
| 16:25.16 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Just want to automate my conversation in /msg with the guy who just got +q. |
| 16:25.29 | PerfDave | "We don't want the destination host to process the UDP probe packets so the destination port is set to an unlikely value (if some clod on the destination is using that value, it can be changed with the -p flag)." |
| 16:25.32 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: what "fuck off .. don't /msg me" ? |
| 16:25.34 | greycat | abrotman: the badgers ate most already. |
| 16:25.55 | abrotman | yay badgers |
| 16:26.05 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Write a plugin in Perl. "while (sleep 5) { &say("I'm not listening...");}" |
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| 16:26.07 | sml__ | is there an ssl version of netcat ? |
| 16:26.10 | abrotman | now's he's /msging me |
| 16:26.11 | Flimzy | Hmmm |
| 16:26.12 | asg | greycat: here, they are trying to drive the geese off by using smoke based geese repellant and lasers. |
| 16:26.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 16:26.17 | abrotman | i didn't even fucking do anything .. what an idiot |
| 16:26.21 | resiak | Aaaargh: C'mon, /msg me. See if I care. |
| 16:26.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@host-66-81-144-75.rev.o1.com] by greycat |
| 16:26.26 | Flimzy | Who can network abusers be reported to? |
| 16:26.30 | bbrazil | sml__: the openssl tools can connect in, dunno about listening |
| 16:26.30 | *** kick/#debian [Aaaargh!~wooledg@192.35.79.70] by greycat (greycat) |
| 16:26.30 | directhex|work | !dachs greycat |
| 16:26.31 | dpkg | greycat: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 16:26.33 | ricky_clarkson | Flimzy: /topic #freenode |
| 16:26.33 | asg | ricky_clarkson: better yet, script a conversation with eliza or zippy the pinhead |
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| 16:26.35 | Flimzy | abusers of this IRC network, that is |
| 16:26.35 | PerfDave | abrotman: He's going to kill me, and fuck my dead body in the ass. Apparently. |
| 16:26.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 16:26.39 | LoRez | Flimzy: me :) |
| 16:26.43 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Me too. |
| 16:26.45 | bob2 | Flimzy: #freenode or your local oper |
| 16:26.46 | foobar99 | hi |
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| 16:26.51 | abrotman | PerfDave: so he says .. i think he's closer to you than me |
| 16:26.53 | resiak | Aww... I want a death threat. |
| 16:26.55 | sml__ | bbrazil: yeah i know about openssl s_client etc :) i was hoping for just a raw ssl socket from which i could do stuff like netcat |
| 16:26.59 | abrotman | resiak: /msg him |
| 16:27.01 | foobar99 | How can I set up cloaking? |
| 16:27.01 | Flimzy | LoRez: Is there anything you can do about Aaaargh? |
| 16:27.08 | njan | foobar99, go look at the freenode website. |
| 16:27.11 | PerfDave | Shame about the killing part, otherwise I'd be quite happy about it. |
| 16:27.11 | greycat | 11:26 <-Aaaargh[jaZon@host-66-81-144-75.rev.o1.com] IM GONNA KILL YOU AND FUCK YOUR DEAD BODY IN THE ASS |
| 16:27.14 | greycat | 11:26 ~ greycat set +b *!*@host-66-81-144-75.rev.o1.com on #Debian |
| 16:27.15 | greycat | 11:26 <-Aaaargh[jaZon@host-66-81-144-75.rev.o1.com] FUCK YOU ASSHOLE |
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| 16:27.20 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 16:27.28 | PerfDave | greycat: I got the FUCK YOU ASSHOLE too, I think it's a script. |
| 16:27.29 | abrotman | greycat: do you need a tissue? |
| 16:27.38 | resiak | Yeah, I got the dead body one. |
| 16:27.44 | greycat | abrotman: nope, I have a box of 'em here already. |
| 16:27.51 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
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| 16:28.04 | Flimzy | LoRez: I've never spoken to him before, and he's suddenly sending me unsolicited threats on my life in private msg :P |
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| 16:28.22 | LoRez | Flimzy: he'll have a much harder time doing that now that he's been klined. |
| 16:28.31 | Flimzy | LoRez: thanks :) |
| 16:28.32 | bob2 | Flimzy: LoRez is one of those friendly opers |
| 16:28.34 | simonrvn | kaplonk |
| 16:28.40 | PerfDave | Cheers, LoRez |
| 16:28.49 | simonrvn | @LoRez++ |
| 16:28.58 | abrotman | LoRez: sorry about calling you a girl :) |
| 16:29.04 | asg | abrotman: haha |
| 16:29.24 | ricky_clarkson | For highlights of Aaaargh's abuse: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/tmp/argh.txt |
| 16:29.25 | LoRez | heh |
| 16:29.36 | abrotman | i'll just have to remember to track down LoRez when we get the Eichmann guy in here again |
| 16:29.43 | sml | who is this argh ? |
| 16:29.46 | simonrvn | (09.19.47) 2invite: by Kojihami to #Goatse.cx |
| 16:29.47 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Hahah. |
| 16:29.49 | LoRez | I'm sure he'll be back though. |
| 16:29.49 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Scroll ye up. |
| 16:29.52 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 16:30.17 | asg | ricky_clarkson: a pretty good facimile of eliza |
| 16:30.25 | sml | ok i've read the highlights |
| 16:30.26 | Ronin | wow the ops are busy today, full moon again? |
| 16:30.31 | sml | you sure its not a bot ? |
| 16:30.41 | ricky_clarkson | sml: It mentioned #123. |
| 16:30.55 | ricky_clarkson | I KNOW 123 YOU COCK or something. |
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| 16:31.01 | ricky_clarkson | Because I suggested it join #123 |
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| 16:31.15 | abrotman | was noone else here for Eichmann ? |
| 16:31.20 | asg | ricky_clarkson: it could just be scraping that. We should invite it back and perform a Turing Test |
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| 16:31.22 | abrotman | besides peterS .. i know he was here |
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| 16:32.08 | sml | what is #123 ? |
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| 16:32.24 | ricky_clarkson | sml: A channel that gets you k-lined if you hang around. |
| 16:32.24 | possie | how can i check if my pci slot does busmastering? |
| 16:32.30 | njan | sml, don't join it |
| 16:32.40 | asg | toresbe: that's because you horde old hareware |
| 16:32.44 | asg | s/hareware/hardware/ |
| 16:32.45 | njan | sml, it's a channel that bots have a habit of joining, and therefore will get you an automatic kline. |
| 16:32.55 | bob2 | #shell is still more fun |
| 16:32.58 | toresbe | asg: Speaking of which, I just got a PDP-11! :) |
| 16:33.04 | asg | toresbe: bastard! :) |
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| 16:33.21 | sml | ok.. does the channel have any functional use other than to spot people to k-line ? lol |
| 16:33.23 | toresbe | asg: I'm wiring up the backplane to an AT PSU ATM |
| 16:33.24 | asg | toresbe: Sparcstation 20 was my latest |
| 16:33.31 | asg | toresbe: hehe |
| 16:33.44 | abrotman | i had a sparc1+ .. what apiece of poo |
| 16:33.48 | takatumi | sml: it's a trap set by the cabal. |
| 16:33.59 | toresbe | asg: I've even got an 8" floppy drive with RT-11 media :) |
| 16:34.10 | asg | toresbe: nice |
| 16:34.22 | toresbe | asg: And, get this, a *video card* |
| 16:34.30 | takatumi | toresbe: how big is this thing? |
| 16:34.40 | toresbe | takatumi: It's a smaller one |
| 16:34.41 | abrotman | toresbe: got some kleenex? |
| 16:34.46 | Flimzy | toresbe: I have an 8" floppy drive cleaning kit, still in shrink wrap. Have any use for sucha thing? :P |
| 16:35.01 | SkippedySkop | hey, i was wondering how i would go about setting up a mail that sends to two pop boxes, i.e. *@domain.com: someon@someone.com, someone@someone1.com for example in exim |
| 16:35.03 | toresbe | takatumi: approx. the size of an ATX case |
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| 16:35.10 | toresbe | takatumi: It's a minimachine, after all :) |
| 16:35.17 | takatumi | toresbe: ah. |
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| 16:35.41 | sml_ | anyone here have any experience of qdisc and teql ? i really need to these disconnects |
| 16:35.55 | sml_ | insert "stop" in that last sentance |
| 16:36.11 | ricky_clarkson | Sentence? |
| 16:36.17 | sml_ | ricky_clarkson: yes that's the kiddo |
| 16:36.23 | resiak | sml_: ANYONE HERE HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE OF QDISC AND TEQL STOP I REA... ? |
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| 16:36.36 | Flimzy | sml_: So... "anyone here have any stop experience of qdisc and teql ? i really need to these disconnects" |
| 16:36.37 | Blissex | sml_: thats a pool not a good idea. |
| 16:36.42 | sml_ | for some damn reason linux is not working properly. |
| 16:36.46 | Blissex | sml_: ask a specific question. |
| 16:36.51 | sml_ | ok |
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| 16:37.05 | ricky_clarkson | Did somebody remove our English? |
| 16:37.12 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Que? |
| 16:37.13 | Blissex | !tell sml_ guidelines |
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| 16:37.18 | asg | ricky_clarkson: +E ? |
| 16:37.18 | sml_ | specifically.. im using two ADSL routers.. and load balancing is working great for connections which are stateless |
| 16:37.25 | takatumi | toresbe: this is what I had in mind.:) http://muse.linuxmafia.org/lost+found/richie-n-thompson-pdp-11.jpg |
| 16:37.25 | m | hola |
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| 16:37.27 | Flimzy | ricky_clarkson: #debian-en for that :P |
| 16:37.31 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 16:37.40 | m | soy sara |
| 16:37.42 | ricky_clarkson | #debian-comprehensible |
| 16:37.43 | sml_ | even more specifically in a minute linux will decide to suddenly route traffic to this irc server using the other router.. |
| 16:37.45 | toresbe | takatumi: Alas, not so :) |
| 16:37.47 | ricky_clarkson | m: #debian-es |
| 16:37.51 | Blissex | sml_: unless you really understand IP and routing, load balancing across ADSL will be a complete mystery to you. |
| 16:38.02 | m | hablo español |
| 16:38.06 | toresbe | takatumi: the orphanage would go mad, I'm already strssing them with this :) |
| 16:38.07 | ricky_clarkson | !es |
| 16:38.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:38.36 | Blissex | sml_: for example, have you got a globally routable, portable, IP address space? |
| 16:38.38 | sml_ | Blissex: well its not really load balancing and i do understand ip and routing. i have only re-tried this today coz someone mentioend advanced routing earlier and it reminded me that i'd never managed to get it working. what im REALLY talking about is in fact using two default routes. |
| 16:38.44 | mikeX | !gr |
| 16:38.44 | dpkg | i heard gr is Greece, or General Relativity, or General Resolution |
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| 16:38.52 | Leonardo_Lopes | apt, debian? |
| 16:38.53 | apt | debian is, like, a genuine free distribution, it isn't only a linux distribution, but also a hurd, freebsd and netbsd distribuition. Currently, the linux based system is the only one that is considered stable. Another good point is that non-free and free packages aren't mixed, in that way you can know what is and what isn't free software before install it. |
| 16:39.00 | mikeX | what, no debian-gr? : ( |
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| 16:39.16 | asg | ~debian =~ s/distribuition/distribution/ |
| 16:39.16 | apt | OK, asg |
| 16:39.17 | m | hace mucho sol |
| 16:39.19 | Blissex | sml_: "REALLY talking about is in fact using two default routes." thats exactly the problem. Again, have you got a portable IP addres range, globally routable? |
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| 16:39.26 | SoulB1ade | has anybody gotten java's looking glass desktop running on debian? |
| 16:39.26 | sml_ | Blissex: ip route add default scope global equalize nexthop via 213.210.57.238 dev eth1 nexthop via 213.210.57.233 dev eth1, is what im using. both of those ip's are my adsls |
| 16:40.07 | Blissex | sml_: if you cannot answer my question above, you cannot understand what is wrong. |
| 16:40.08 | sml_ | and both are globaly available ips. also no NAT is performed on the adsls themselves i let my firewall handle that |
| 16:40.36 | TinoW | asg: hm. looks like its faster to get a CF-card to make the image... |
| 16:40.38 | sml_ | Blissex: what do you mean by portable address range ? |
| 16:40.49 | asg | TinoW: okay |
| 16:40.55 | Blissex | sml_: OK, if you ask this, you cannot understand load balancing. |
| 16:41.17 | TinoW | asg: I'm not sure if boocd will produce any file suitable for pxelinux |
| 16:41.22 | Tendem | ppl what packages are required to run BitchX? |
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| 16:41.30 | asg | TinoW: no |
| 16:41.37 | TinoW | asg: no? |
| 16:41.39 | sml_ | Blissex: Well to be honest I dont have a clue about load balancing but i did read the whole of lart.. and the howto... and followed the example. |
| 16:41.46 | asg | Tendem: apt-cache show bitchx | grep ^Depends |
| 16:41.48 | Delph | Tendem: irssi-text |
| 16:41.52 | Flimzy | Tendem: apt-get install bitchx |
| 16:41.54 | asg | TinoW: no, it produces a bootable cd image. |
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| 16:42.09 | TinoW | asg: well, but I need a harddisk image :) |
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| 16:42.10 | greycat | Tendem: it's more like "what IQ is required to run BitchX", and the answer is "if you can form complete sentences, you're disqualified". |
| 16:42.12 | sml_ | Blissex: which seems to work but i keep getting disconnected. perhaps you could tell me the reason i get disconnected and i can go read further :) i dont mind reading i just dont understand what the issue is |
| 16:42.12 | Blissex | sml_: however, you are lucky because you have a special case. Just to make sure, are both of your ADSL interfaces with the same ISP? |
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| 16:42.17 | chugga | is there a standard way of making debian mirrors .. and if so where can i read about it |
| 16:42.23 | sml_ | Blissex: nope they're not. |
| 16:42.25 | sgeigerbot | Tendem: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 16:42.50 | Blissex | sml_: ah then you are not lucky... |
| 16:42.55 | asg | chugga: apt-get install debmirror |
| 16:42.56 | sml_ | Blissex: two seperate isps.. its this way because i need reliablity rather than throughput. |
| 16:42.58 | Vladi | hi, what can i pass to the find command to for it to skip dir? i currently have : find -xdev -path '/home/netpub' -o -path '/home/outgoing' -o -path '/home/incoming' this is for the backup2l script skip command? |
| 16:42.59 | ricky_clarkson | Does traceroute start with a TTL of 0? |
| 16:43.14 | chugga | asg, is that some kind of script that sets it up? |
| 16:43.21 | Blissex | sml_: you can handle that, but only on a per-connection, not per-packet load splitting. |
| 16:43.26 | greycat | Ugh, yet another find -prune question. |
| 16:43.31 | asg | chugga: that's a package, check it's documentation when you install it |
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| 16:44.11 | sml_ | Blissex: i just want the default route to "round robin" like it says in the docs. i dont care too much for the load balancing i just want linux to be able to use both routes so that in the case of one being down we just run on half-throughput rather than zero-connectivity |
| 16:44.19 | sml_ | ricky_clarkson: just tcpdump it and see. |
| 16:44.30 | chugga | asg, yeah ok .. but thats not what im looking for. i want to make my own sources.list |
| 16:44.43 | asg | TinoW: I apparently fundamentally misunderstood what you were doing. I thought you were trying to shoehorn debian on a Poweredge that required a custom kernel? |
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| 16:44.50 | ricky_clarkson | sml_: Does tcpdump deal with ICMP and UDP too? |
| 16:44.53 | Flimzy | sml_: If your _only_ objective is to have a backup route in case of failure, create two default routes with different metrics |
| 16:44.57 | asg | chugga: there is information in the debian-reference to do that |
| 16:44.58 | Blissex | sml_: even that is not totally trivial. There is however an HOWTO on the LARTC.org website though. |
| 16:45.07 | asg | chugga: search for 'dpkg-scanpackages' |
| 16:45.13 | sml_ | ricky_clarkson: each hop decrements the TTL by one and sends an error if it reaches zero. this is some kind of routing loop.. |
| 16:45.22 | Blissex | sml_: the difficulty is that if one of the ADSL lines fails, all the connections going via it will be terminated. |
| 16:45.25 | TinoW | asg: I want to create an image, bootable via pxe, which gives me rescue access to that system |
| 16:45.34 | sml_ | Blissex: i have read the howto. the only other suggestion was using this TEQL thing |
| 16:45.36 | Flimzy | sml_: Something will have to be in place to "take down" (i.e. ifconfig down) the bad connection when it fails, tho |
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| 16:45.40 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: tcpdump is really ethernetdump. It does IP, ARP, and other protocols. |
| 16:45.42 | ricky_clarkson | sml_: Does it start at 0 though? |
| 16:45.45 | asg | TinoW: oh, okay. |
| 16:45.51 | stew | ricky_clarkson: it deals with ICMP, but if the ttl is zero, i'm not clear on if tcpdump would see it |
| 16:45.58 | chugga | asg, can i PM you? |
| 16:46.06 | Blissex | sml_: you will still have one line left, but it is impossible in your situation to have transparent failover. |
| 16:46.08 | sml_ | ricky_clarkson: 1 i think. i can check for you if you like |
| 16:46.08 | stew | ricky_clarkson: of course the source is available :) |
| 16:46.15 | sml_ | Blissex: i see. |
| 16:46.16 | ricky_clarkson | sml_: Yes please. |
| 16:46.37 | ricky_clarkson | I'll need to disconnect from everything to see just my traceroute ;( |
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| 16:46.50 | Blissex | sml_: again, the issue is whether you have a globally routable, and thus portable, address range. |
| 16:46.51 | TinoW | asg: and this does not fit on 2.8MB floppy image - so syslinux/pxelinux/memdisk says: anything different from floppy format is handled as hard disk image, should have mbr and so on |
| 16:46.59 | greycat | !tell msinhore about away |
| 16:47.30 | takatumi | that sounds a lot like msnho |
| 16:47.32 | Blissex | sml_: in any case, odds are that both ISPs you have actually use the same phone company and switch to carry thins. |
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| 16:47.50 | nSe | is there some kind of x interface for apt-get? |
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| 16:48.00 | stew | ricky_clarkson: i looked at the source of mtr and he starts the ttl at 1 |
| 16:48.04 | takatumi | nSe: not X but try aptitude |
| 16:48.05 | dvs | nSe: Synaptic |
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| 16:48.35 | sml_ | ricky_clarkson: it starts at 1 |
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| 16:48.40 | sml_ | ricky_clarkson: i just tcpdumped my tracerotue |
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| 16:48.50 | ricky_clarkson | So when does it first get decremented? |
| 16:48.53 | Flimzy | sml_: Blissex has a good point. If you really have a need for "consumer-level" redudancy (which will suck, at best), you'd probably be better off with an ADSL and Cablemodem connection. Or use dialup for fallback, or something. |
| 16:48.54 | khanman_ | nSe: Synaptic is great..there is also kpackage if youre using KDE |
| 16:49.00 | ricky_clarkson | When it goes 'into' the first gateway? |
| 16:49.02 | stew | ricky_clarkson: traceroute.c:int first_ttl = 1; |
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| 16:49.05 | js_ | does a lot of people in here use the woody 2.4 kernel or do all of you prefer making your own vanilla 2.4 of the latest version? |
| 16:49.11 | sml_ | Blissex: this is true but its usually the isps computer network rather than telephony issue that causes problems |
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| 16:49.19 | dvs | js_: I roll my own |
| 16:49.34 | Flimzy | js_: I only use the Debian kernel for about 30 minutes... until I've had time to install the necessary packages to build my own. |
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| 16:49.46 | js_ | Flimzy: yeah, thats how i always do too |
| 16:49.48 | Flimzy | js_: Sometimes not even that long if I can build my own kernel on another box |
| 16:49.49 | PerfDave | js_: I have no reason to use anything other than a kernel-image package. Rolling your own is more prone to failure. |
| 16:49.50 | Blissex | sml_: that can happen... But if you use two lines on the same ISP then transparent failover is possible unless they are really seytup to prevent that. |
| 16:49.52 | takatumi | js_: wide range of kernels here, from 2.0 to 2.6.10-rcZZZzzzZZZ |
| 16:49.56 | AcidWolf | anyone got Debian running on Apple g4 powerbook 15 |
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| 16:50.05 | chugga | http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/debian/ - does this look like a standard mirror .. i cant get it to work with apt |
| 16:50.05 | stew | AcidWolf: #debianppc |
| 16:50.14 | J_P | people, i put in my hosts.allow sshd: ips and wors fine. I like do this for pop3(qpopper), i try qpopper : ips, but not work with pop, daemon name are wrong ? |
| 16:50.16 | AcidWolf | ty stew |
| 16:50.18 | AcidWolf | :) |
| 16:50.24 | Flimzy | !tell AcidWolf about ask |
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| 16:50.38 | sml_ | Blissex: the thing is this "two default routes" thing works fine but after a while linux decides to use a different route for an existing connection. ssh and irc therefore are unreliable. and of course when one is down , 50% of my traffic wont go through if its routed using the ADSL that's down. i guess im stuck to having to come into work to manually change routes over. i.e. just maintaining one route :(( boo hoo |
| 16:50.39 | js_ | PerfDave: what about bugs in drivers and such that can be fixed in newer kernels? |
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| 16:51.13 | asg | chugga: section 6.4.11 in the debian-reference. Read that. |
| 16:51.21 | sml_ | Blissex: " *** Quits: sml:#debian [~pioggia@fw.gmsl.co.uk] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 16:51.21 | Jacobo221 | I'm trying to use crontab to backup my system's config files every 24 hours (as root) but it's not doing it's job. any ideas? |
| 16:51.30 | Flimzy | Is there any way to shorten !tell foo about ask\n!tell foo about anyone\n!tell foo about polls? A !tell foo about ask, polls, anyone, or somesuch? hehe |
| 16:51.41 | greycat | Jacobo221: debug it. |
| 16:51.41 | daaku | i was looking at dmesg, just to check if there's anything i should notice, and i did, it says: Detected 1595.292 MHz processor. (but i have a 3.06Ghz processor!).. is there a way for me to figure out what its actually running at? |
| 16:51.44 | sml_ | Blissex: that was from when linux decided last to use that particular route. im now obviously on a different one. i thought linux cached routes ? |
| 16:51.57 | Jacobo221 | greycat: how? I've never before played with crontab and I'm lost at this point :( |
| 16:52.02 | takatumi | PerfDave: it's only the initial few failures, it's easy after that. I find it much more stable with my own rolls. |
| 16:52.02 | asg | daaku: what does /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 16:52.10 | PerfDave | js_: I've not had a problem with anything like that. |
| 16:52.14 | daaku | btw, /proc/cupinfo also says 1595 for cpu Mhz |
| 16:52.17 | greycat | Jacobo221: does it RUN AT ALL? |
| 16:52.21 | Blissex | sml_: it has nothing to do with Linux. |
| 16:52.36 | PerfDave | js_: Plus, using provided kernel-image packages gets you security patches (most of the time) |
| 16:52.38 | Jarod51 | Hi |
| 16:52.42 | sml_ | Blissex: what is it taht causes these disconnects then ? coz it seems to "half work" |
| 16:52.43 | asg | daaku: check your bios, make sure it is set to boot with the correct value |
| 16:52.49 | js_ | PerfDave: good point |
| 16:52.55 | Jacobo221 | greycat: i guess it does. it's out-of-the-box. i only added a script into /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 16:52.59 | Flimzy | PerfDave: You can get that by using the Debian kernel sources, too, tho |
| 16:53.00 | sml_ | and of course web traffic is FINE coz the connection is not kept-alive. |
| 16:53.01 | Jarod51 | i need some help with iptables and noone answers me at #iptables :( |
| 16:53.01 | chugga | asg, 6.4.11 Local package archive - what has this to do with what im asking. |
| 16:53.02 | greycat | jesus christ. |
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| 16:53.09 | hypnox | Jacobo221 verify that the script works as it should, then read up a bit on cron syntax and write a cron entry that does it |
| 16:53.11 | PerfDave | Flimzy: Uhm, no. |
| 16:53.12 | Jarod51 | can ne1 help me ? |
| 16:53.15 | asg | chugga: you were asking about creating a local debian repository |
| 16:53.15 | daaku | asg: i doesnt have stepping/power control.. its a laptop.. could it be acpi that's causing it? |
| 16:53.17 | greycat | Jacobo221: you have ONE last chance to demonstrate intelligence. How do you know it's running? |
| 16:53.23 | PerfDave | Flimzy: Not if you're using versions outside Woody. |
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| 16:53.28 | Blissex | sml_: it has everything to do with how IP routing works. |
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| 16:53.48 | Jacobo221 | greycat: ps reports 6209 ? 00:00:00 cron |
| 16:53.55 | chugga | asg, no that doesnt help then .. isnt there a standard way of naming directories etc. ugh. |
| 16:53.55 | greycat | not cron. YOUR SCRIPT. |
| 16:53.56 | Blissex | sml_: depending on what you want to achieve, something like automatic route switching works, but it is a bit complicate. |
| 16:53.58 | Flimzy | PerfDave: so the kernel-image and kernel-source packages have different patches applied? |
| 16:54.07 | greycat | are you INENTIONALLY acting dumb? |
| 16:54.08 | Jacobo221 | greycat: ah, my script, because i can run it manually |
| 16:54.10 | nSe | does Synaptic deals just with .deb? i have .tar.gz file, how can i install it? |
| 16:54.11 | Flimzy | PerfDave: That sounds insane |
| 16:54.15 | greycat | that's it. |
| 16:54.16 | greycat | *PLONK* |
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| 16:54.31 | Flimzy | nSe: There is no standard way to install a tgz |
| 16:54.44 | thomas_adam | Flimzy: There is if you use slackware. :) |
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| 16:54.53 | PerfDave | Flimzy: No, if you're using Woody kernel-source packages then you get the same bugs and the same security fixes as the Woody kernel-images. If you're not using Woody kernel-sources, then they don't get security patches, because Woody is the only branch that gets security patches. |
| 16:54.54 | Flimzy | nSe: That's like asking "How do install a zip file" |
| 16:54.55 | chugga | yeah flimzy you ignoramous |
| 16:54.57 | stew | Flimzy: sure there is, you untar it, read README, INSTALL, then follow the directions :) |
| 16:54.59 | gravity | nSe: gunzip your tar file, then tar -xf the .tar that's left. Then look at the installation instructions in the directory |
| 16:55.03 | PerfDave | nSe: What do you have in a .tar.gz file? |
| 16:55.05 | possie | Blissex: should termination also be enabled on the scsi HBA? |
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| 16:55.08 | asg | chugga: what do you mean 'standard way of naming directories etc. ugh.' ? |
| 16:55.10 | PerfDave | nSe: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 16:55.14 | Blissex | sml_: basically, IP i based on the assumption that routers _tell hosts_ which routes are good or bad. But your IP addresses are leaf addresses, not routable, and you are not running a routing daemon, and in any case your ISP's routers wont talk to it. |
| 16:55.16 | Flimzy | thomas_adam: That's assuming your specific tgz conforms to slackware standards. Most tgz don't :P |
| 16:55.24 | Blissex | possie: yes. |
| 16:55.28 | Jacobo221 | greycat: any webpage for me to start from, please? |
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| 16:55.32 | stew | chugga: /msg dpkg repository howto |
| 16:55.37 | possie | Blissex: is this done be the driver? |
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| 16:55.39 | sml | Blissex: Ok. Well in the example on http://www.lartc.org/lartc.txt in section 4.2.2. Load balancing, they suggest exactly the setup im using. two routes to one network (in my case the interent) and i've set it up exaxctly as they describe. |
| 16:55.43 | sml | "This will balance the routes over both providers. The weight parameters can be tweaked to favor one provider over the other." |
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| 16:55.47 | Flimzy | PerfDave: that's what I thought |
| 16:55.47 | chugga | asg, look. my isp has this stupid debian repository. i dont know how they've named things and why .. so i cant write a sources.list for it |
| 16:55.49 | Flimzy | chugga: Excuse me? |
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| 16:56.09 | sml | doesn't say in there "disclaimer: things will randomly break for reasons not cited in this advisory" |
| 16:56.14 | Blissex | sml: yes, that works well if your IP address range is portable, globally routable and globally routed. |
| 16:56.14 | asg | chugga: then fucking ask them what the list is supposed to be. |
| 16:56.32 | sml | Blissex: ok then it should say that in the article and also explain what those terms mean :) |
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| 16:56.36 | Flimzy | sml: The GPL has a disclaimer to that effect tho, IIRC :P |
| 16:56.42 | chugga | asg, well supposing its right and there is no standard way of doign it in debian - knowing that would help too |
| 16:56.43 | sml | Flimzy: :P |
| 16:56.58 | chugga | if anyone wants to take a look and help me out. feel free |
| 16:56.59 | greycat | chugga: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:57.01 | nSe | thanks for all, i got Firefox in .tar.gz i'll unpack it and read the instructions... |
| 16:57.03 | js_ | PerfDave: should i get the k7 or 686 version of kernel-image for an amd athlon XP? |
| 16:57.04 | greycat | chugga: study. find patterns. or not. |
| 16:57.06 | Blissex | sml: otherwise you have to change the routes manually. Perhaps you can write a script that detects when one of your static routes has gone bad, and disable/enable it. |
| 16:57.06 | sml | Blissex: Ok if you would be so kind... please can you tell me what "portable" globaly routable and globaly routed mean ? |
| 16:57.10 | asg | chugga: the standard 'way' is exactly like what you have in your sources.list. If they diverge from that, ask them. |
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| 16:57.21 | sml | Blissex: yes that idea is one i had thought of and is a last resort |
| 16:57.27 | chugga | asg, cant you have a quick look? |
| 16:57.33 | asg | jethro: did you bring some sanity with you? |
| 16:57.33 | greycat | chugga: apt-get.org has lots of examples, too. So you can see the myriad of variety. |
| 16:57.35 | Flimzy | chugga: Why exactly did you say "yeah flimzy you ignoramous"? |
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| 16:57.38 | Blissex | sml: "hould say that in the article and also explain what those terms mean" HOWTOs are not primers in the basic concepts of IP. |
| 16:57.43 | jethro | asg: what for? |
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| 16:57.45 | sml | Blissex: i did write a web page intranet front end that enables workers here to switch ADSL devices via a nice lil https page |
| 16:57.47 | chugga | Flimzy, because of the slackware thing. get over it.. |
| 16:57.51 | asg | chugga: paste whatever you have somewhere and send us a URL. |
| 16:57.53 | Flimzy | chugga: ah |
| 16:58.05 | chugga | http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/debian/ |
| 16:58.11 | asg | jethro: :) It's a madhouse |
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| 16:58.14 | Jooon | I have one libxml-libxml-xpathcontext-perl_0.06-2_amd64.deb and one libxml-libxml-xpathcontext-perl_0.06-2_i386.deb (amd64 and i386 versions) in a directory. when I do dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9 -c > Packages.gz to generate a Packages file it ignores the amd64 one. How can I get both packages listed in the Packages file? |
| 16:58.16 | sml | Blissex: but people then kept using it when the mail wasn't working etc.. and causing me MORE probnlems |
| 16:58.20 | Blissex | sml: when you find an HOWTO in a site whose name contains the words "advanced routing" the reader is presupposed to know the basics. |
| 16:58.20 | chugga | my sources list - i tried changing the urls .. but apt-get update fails on it |
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| 16:58.25 | Noid | i have been asked to reduce booting time to the minimum. Kernel recompilation is not possible. Is there anything I can do besides keeping start up services to the minimum necessary? |
| 16:58.26 | jethro | asg: I *am* mad, that's why I come in here |
| 16:58.32 | asg | jethro: ah, good point |
| 16:58.40 | jethro | asg: how are things today? |
| 16:58.47 | takatumi | chugga: go read dude. leave us be. |
| 16:58.57 | Flimzy | Noid: Even a slow Linux box boots 5x faster than the average Windows box. What's the problem? |
| 16:58.58 | chugga | takatumi, what the fuck do i read? |
| 16:59.04 | nomed^ | is there someone using adsl-start script? |
| 16:59.10 | Blissex | sml: however your basic problem is economic... |
| 16:59.14 | PerfDave | js_: -k7, I expect |
| 16:59.17 | stew | chugga: that looks pretty standard to me |
| 16:59.18 | takatumi | chugga: you have been served with enough cluebats already. |
| 16:59.21 | nomed^ | i want to make adsl-start usable for normal user |
| 16:59.31 | possie | Blissex: ah i changed it from automatic to enabled in the scsi hba bios |
| 16:59.32 | Blissex | sml: ISPs charge a lot more for the type of services in which transparent failover is possible. |
| 16:59.38 | asg | jethro: crazy, crazy :) |
| 16:59.41 | Noid | Flimzy: there is no problem, i have no problem. However, the people that pay the bills seem to have a problem with that. |
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| 16:59.48 | stew | chugga: except that instead of http://servername/debian dist... its http://servername/pub/debian dist |
| 16:59.54 | sml | Blissex: Yes I know. They advised us to use some silly expensive geographical load balancing shit for 10k |
| 16:59.58 | sml | 10k is 9.9k too much |
| 16:59.59 | jethro | asg: heh |
| 16:59.59 | Flimzy | Noid: Well then ask them to fix the problem they think exists. |
| 17:00.00 | nomed^ | adsl-start is a Bourne shell script text executable .... how can i make it usable for normal users? |
| 17:00.05 | stew | chugga: err servername/pub/debian/debian/ |
| 17:00.11 | chugga | Stew, whats this dist then? i dont have dist in my sources.list |
| 17:00.11 | Blissex | sml: and ADSL lines are not that kind of service. If you want transparent failover pay your ISP to give you full routing. |
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| 17:00.18 | PerfDave | js_: amd64 possibly isn't recognised as an architecture by dpkg-scanpackages. Go ask #debian-amd64 maybe? |
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| 17:00.28 | stew | chugga: "sarge" "woody" "stable" |
| 17:00.31 | chugga | ok |
| 17:00.35 | Noid | Flimzy: no, that's what i get payed for. Besides, that's not the point, I am just asking if there's anything else I can do besides that... |
| 17:00.38 | Frem | does anyone know what that program is called that draws the output of a term to the root-window/desktop? |
| 17:00.40 | Flimzy | Noid: boot takes that long for a reason... b/c it takes that long to load things. If you want a faster boot, load fewer things. |
| 17:00.49 | PerfDave | argh |
| 17:00.59 | PerfDave | Jooon: amd64 possibly isn't recognised as an architecture by dpkg-scanpackages. Go ask #debian-amd64 maybe? |
| 17:01.00 | Flimzy | Noid: If everything that's loading is necessary, then there's probably nothing you can do. |
| 17:01.00 | sml | Blissex: where can i lookup the terms you have mentioned "portable" "globaly routable" etc so that I can at least sleep well knowing WHY this doesn't work. |
| 17:01.30 | sml | Blissex: you've convinced me that it aint gonna work this way but now i need to rest my curiosity. or i wont sleep. i dont like not knowing why things dont work :) |
| 17:01.33 | Noid | Flimzy: I thought so, I just wanted to make sure, thanks for your time |
| 17:01.44 | Blissex | sml: said another way, the "why" is that you have bought from your ISPs two leaf network services, not a multihomed netowkr service. |
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| 17:01.57 | chugga | Stew, so what would i change this line to |
| 17:01.58 | Flimzy | Noid: I suspect there's a _reason_ it's "taking too long" according to some people. The proper responce would be to discover their reasons, and find a logical way to address that. Knowing the way most paycheck-writers think, what they're asking you to do really has absolutely nothing to do with their perceived problem. |
| 17:01.59 | chugga | deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 17:02.03 | js_ | PerfDave: ok |
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| 17:02.08 | Flimzy | Noid: "My office is too dark, so would you make the server run faster please?" |
| 17:02.20 | stew | chugga: http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian/debian i believe |
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| 17:02.39 | chugga | Stew, no thats how it is now and it works. what would it be with the new mirror |
| 17:02.41 | Flimzy | Noid: If their problem, for instance, is that during a reboot, their server is down too long... then buy a UPS. |
| 17:02.46 | Flimzy | Noid: so the server doesn't go down so often |
| 17:02.51 | Blissex | sml: I think that any introduction to IP routing will contain definitions for those terms. LARTC.org has some glossary, and TLDP.org has some introduction to IP networking and routing. |
| 17:02.55 | nomed^ | so no way to use adsl-start as normal user? |
| 17:02.58 | PerfDave | Noid: You can fuck around with initscript ordering. I believe that Windows XP and Ubuntu both start the GUI before other services like the MTA which will improve /perceived/ boot time |
| 17:02.58 | stew | chugga: what new mirror? |
| 17:03.07 | Blissex | sml: and there is a fairly nice O'Reilly book on the subject. |
| 17:03.09 | chugga | stew http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/debian/debian/ |
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| 17:03.14 | Noid | Flimzy: heh, their perceived problem is that it boots too slowly. They want it faster... it's one of those "public image" things |
| 17:03.19 | sml | Blissex: i'll have the o'reilly book at home. |
| 17:03.31 | sml | i have rather. |
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| 17:03.34 | Flimzy | Noid: Why are they rebooting their server in the first place? |
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| 17:03.37 | Noid | PerfDave: now that's a good idea |
| 17:03.52 | stew | chugga: i'm sorry, i belive that last url that you pasted is correct |
| 17:03.56 | PerfDave | Noid: I'm sure there are reasons why it's a bad idea, but I haven't thought too much abou tit. |
| 17:04.03 | chugga | blah man .. |
| 17:04.06 | Noid | Flimzy: long story, but they are not servers, they're desktop stations |
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| 17:04.22 | Flimzy | Noid: How long do these desktop machines take to boot? |
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| 17:04.40 | chugga | nevermind. this is crap, i'll have to manually work out what goes where and how... yay for debian crapiness |
| 17:04.46 | Noid | PerfDave: well, I *know* i can't recompile the kernel or strip services (well, some i can, but it won't be enough) |
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| 17:04.49 | stew | chugga: deb http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/debian/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 17:04.49 | Blissex | sml: what you can do with two leaf services is: use both when they are both up, and then disable/enable each of them depending if they are up or down, and you can approximate this test using a script that does periodic pings. |
| 17:04.50 | rice_ | anyone try set your clock to 2040 , the system still works? |
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| 17:05.08 | Flimzy | Noid: And why can't you recompile the kernel? |
| 17:05.13 | Noid | PerfDave: so if they just feel it is going faster and stop complaining, it's fine with me |
| 17:05.16 | Blissex | sml: and accept that when one goes down, all connections on it will break, even if the other stays up. |
| 17:05.18 | nSe | what a .xpi file does? |
| 17:05.20 | asg | chugga: deb http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/debian/debian/ unstable main |
| 17:05.21 | Flimzy | rice_: You're y2.04k testing already? |
| 17:05.30 | SkippedySkop | hmm anyone got any idea how to configure a allied telesyn switch? |
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| 17:05.33 | Blissex | nSe: it is an instablle module for Mozilla/firefox. |
| 17:05.40 | asg | chugga: that works just fine for me. 's/unstable/testing|stable/' |
| 17:05.58 | Flimzy | rice_: theoretically, the system would work fine, but think it's 1970. (on a 32-bit archetecture) |
| 17:05.59 | Noid | Flimzy: hehehe... missing source for several things in this particular kind of machines, and no, no hardware change is possible |
| 17:06.16 | Noid | Flimzy: and we have to sell them. |
| 17:06.19 | Flimzy | Noid: So you're using non-free kernels? |
| 17:06.20 | Jacobo221 | greycat: damn. i found what the prob was. i stupidly wrote #!/bash/bin xDDD |
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| 17:06.43 | Jooon | PerfDave: after carefully (actually) reading the error message, I see it does indeed take the amd64 one, but dpkg-scanpackages think it "repeats": Package libxml-libxml-xpathcontext-perl (filename ./libxml-libxml-xpathcontext-perl_0.06-2_i386.deb) is repeat; ignored that one and using data from ./libxml-libxml-xpathcontext-perl_0.06-2_amd64.deb |
| 17:06.46 | jethro | !lart Jacobo221 |
| 17:06.48 | Blissex | sml: BTW, your type of situation is very very common. Lots of newbies think they can use two leaf connection services as if they were a multihoming connection service... |
| 17:06.56 | Noid | Flimzy: btw, 1 and a half minutes on the top end machine, which is 1 Ghz celeron |
| 17:06.57 | Flimzy | Noid: So how long does a boot take right now? |
| 17:06.59 | Jacobo221 | jethro: ;) |
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| 17:07.03 | jethro | :) |
| 17:07.09 | Flimzy | Noid: 90 seconds is too long? |
| 17:07.13 | Flimzy | Noid: What are they aiming for? |
| 17:07.22 | Noid | Flimzy: 30 (yeah, i know) |
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| 17:07.47 | Noid | Flimzy: and some drivers are proprietary, yes |
| 17:07.50 | Flimzy | Noid: You could disable automatic fsck's... that would help every 30th (or so) boot be faster. But it's also a bad idea. |
| 17:08.04 | sj_ | what is Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 17:08.09 | asg | !hurd |
| 17:08.09 | dpkg | hmm... hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel. the core of the GNU system and available at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. #hurd-bunny the underground #hurd channel, or http://www.hurd-bunny.org |
| 17:08.27 | Flimzy | Noid: Where are the main slowdowns occuring during boot? |
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| 17:08.36 | Flimzy | Noid: Where does it pause the longest? |
| 17:08.38 | Noid | Flimzy: hahaha that way i'd only have to boot it 29 times before showing it to them |
| 17:08.42 | Flimzy | Noid: find ways to speed those things up. |
| 17:08.44 | sj_ | how about the debian-bsd based? |
| 17:08.56 | asg | sj_: #debian-bsd iirc |
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| 17:09.12 | Noid | Flimzy: i'm on it (: |
| 17:09.13 | asg | sj_: their /topic has information |
| 17:09.14 | Blissex | Noid: there are several boot systems, that is replacements for 'sysvinit' available. Some of them _significantly_ speed up booting |
| 17:09.20 | Flimzy | Noid: Perhaps load fewer modules at boot time, and set them to automatically load on demand |
| 17:09.29 | Flimzy | Noid: that would probably have minimal effect, tho |
| 17:09.29 | jethro | !fgi sj_ debian+bsd |
| 17:09.29 | sml | Blissex: The strange thing is that this setup does actually work ok.. linux round-robins the two gateways I have watched it do so. THe problem is that when there is a connection open for a while : either irc, or ssh, after a while a different route is chosen for the existing connection even though the connection is already in place. If it wasn't for this it would work ok. I fully understand the part about if one's down connections routed vi |
| 17:09.30 | dpkg | sj_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian+bsd |
| 17:09.35 | asg | Noid: also, start fewer services at boottime |
| 17:09.36 | Blissex | Noid: they speed up booting by baxckgrounding the startup of thjose daemons that are needed. |
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| 17:09.45 | Flimzy | Noid: and falls into the category of what someone was talking about earlier... where you load the GUI before the boot is really done loading. |
| 17:09.57 | Blissex | sml: yes of course, because you have two default routes... |
| 17:09.58 | Noid | Blissex: any pointer to those? |
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| 17:10.08 | sj_ | where do i download the debian-bsd? |
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| 17:10.26 | sml | Blissex: What i *CAN* do is mark packets using the mangle table for things like ssh and irc so that they always use ONE or the OTHER. |
| 17:10.34 | asg | Noid: if all fails, tell them 90 seconds is good for (talking a piss | getting a beverage | fondling members of the staff) |
| 17:10.37 | sml | Blissex: then it should work (in theory?) |
| 17:10.39 | asg | sj_: /topic #debian-bsd |
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| 17:10.56 | jethro | sj_: apt-get install crosshurd |
| 17:11.20 | Blissex | Noid: look for keywotfd like "runlevel" "sysvinit" "dependency" "fast startup" |
| 17:11.21 | Flimzy | Noid: how long does Windows take to boot on the same hardware? |
| 17:11.24 | Noid | asg: well, i've already said that why do they need to turn them off in the first place d-: |
| 17:11.24 | Frem | sj_: http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/ |
| 17:11.24 | humbolt | how can I turn off the feature of ssh or debian that closes my ssh connection after a while?? |
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| 17:11.33 | Noid | Blissex: thanks |
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| 17:11.40 | humbolt | on idle |
| 17:11.40 | jethro | humbolt: there is no such feature |
| 17:11.41 | asg | Noid: ah |
| 17:11.42 | Blissex | Noid: fi you really need I can help searching. I think I have a few links in my bookmarks. I can check |
| 17:11.42 | lolo | hi |
| 17:11.49 | Flimzy | humbolt: there's no such feature that I'm aware of. At least not by default. |
| 17:11.52 | lolo | i have a problem.. |
| 17:12.20 | jethro | humbolt: well there is a keepalive feature, but the sshd shipped by debian doesn't close when the session is left idling |
| 17:12.27 | asg | lolo: an itch in the nether regions? |
| 17:12.28 | lolo | why the grub.con there's not under boot/grub ?? |
| 17:12.43 | ricky_clarkson | !italian |
| 17:12.43 | dpkg | somebody said italian was per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:12.48 | asg | lolo: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:12.49 | marc342 | humbolt: set TMOUT if you connect to a bash shell |
| 17:12.54 | Noid | Flimzy: i don't know how long a windows takes... but as PerfDave said, what i need is to improve perceived boot time |
| 17:12.56 | lolo | ok |
| 17:12.57 | PerfDave | Noid: apt-cache search shows runit, minit, and references daemontools if you like djbcrackware |
| 17:13.01 | lolo | sorry |
| 17:13.03 | jethro | humbolt: it might be your router/firewall, in which case you might want to set the keepalive, man sshd_config man ssh_config |
| 17:13.04 | Noid | Blissex: i would appreciate it, thanks |
| 17:13.26 | PerfDave | jethro: Do you have to enable keepalive on both server and client? |
| 17:13.26 | Blissex | Noid: which distribution are you using? |
| 17:13.28 | Flimzy | Noid: Well if you can boot Windows, and it takes 3 minutes, that may help combat the perception that Linux takes "too long" |
| 17:13.41 | asg | PerfDave: don't make me install publicfile on your webservers :p |
| 17:13.44 | PerfDave | jethro: I have my SSH tunnels (ssh -f -N -L....) drop occasionally, would keepalive help with this? |
| 17:13.45 | ricky_clarkson | Noid: Try not booting daily. |
| 17:13.48 | jethro | PerfDave: I don't think so, can't tell you exactly, but I think one end is enough |
| 17:13.51 | Flimzy | Blissex: he damn well better be using Debian if he's asking in here :P |
| 17:13.56 | Noid | Blissex: debian |
| 17:14.01 | jethro | jethro: yes it would |
| 17:14.07 | ricky_clarkson | humbolt: If you use screen on the remote machine it won't matter. |
| 17:14.07 | jethro | PerfDave: ^^ |
| 17:14.09 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Tsck. |
| 17:14.09 | Blissex | Noid: then there are a few ready compiled :-) |
| 17:14.10 | humbolt | than it might be the "actiontec" adsl router using masquerade instead of snat and therefore loosing the connection when it looses the connection for a short time |
| 17:14.12 | lolo | i go debian-it |
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| 17:14.18 | lolo | bye |
| 17:14.21 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: tsck? |
| 17:14.22 | cyberfos | hallo |
| 17:14.23 | ricky_clarkson | ciao |
| 17:14.24 | humbolt | screen?? |
| 17:14.26 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: tut |
| 17:14.28 | ricky_clarkson | !screen |
| 17:14.28 | dpkg | it has been said that screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or http://brief.collapsar.net/screen.html or apt-get install screen |
| 17:14.29 | lolo | we ciao |
| 17:14.29 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: hah, not possible, we sell those machines to end users |
| 17:14.31 | Flimzy | Noid: You could add some eye candy to the boot sequence (ala Red Hat). That might help with the _percieved_ boot time |
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| 17:14.38 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: I don't get you |
| 17:14.42 | ricky_clarkson | Noid: Retrain them. |
| 17:14.43 | cyberfos | kann mir hier jemand helfen? |
| 17:14.44 | Noid | Blissex: good |
| 17:14.48 | greycat | I before E except after C ... |
| 17:14.49 | ricky_clarkson | !german |
| 17:14.49 | dpkg | i guess german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 17:14.54 | asg | greycat: :) |
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| 17:14.56 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: I was tutting at you talking to yourself. |
| 17:15.02 | jethro | oh |
| 17:15.06 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: hahaha... wish it were possible |
| 17:15.20 | Noid | Flimzy: i'm on that too |
| 17:15.47 | PerfDave | jethro: Cool. I'll check it out then. |
| 17:16.10 | asg | Noid: hack the splashscreen code to count down from 30 slowly |
| 17:16.26 | Frem | lol |
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| 17:16.31 | Noid | Flimzy: Blissex: PerfDave: thanks for your help, gonna check your tips and see what I can come out with, I'll tell you how it goes |
| 17:16.31 | asg | Noid: insist that their timepieces are crap |
| 17:16.53 | Noid | asg: hahaha i could knock them out till the thing has booted too |
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| 17:17.27 | asg | Noid: there was some blogging on planet.debian.org some time back about speeding up the boot process. I think they got close to 30 from bios to gdm. |
| 17:17.39 | asg | Noid: you might look at that. |
| 17:17.45 | Noid | asg: thanks, i will |
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| 17:18.19 | Flimzy | Noid: You could write a script to emulate a boot |
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| 17:18.33 | Flimzy | Noid: Set it to run on wake, then put the machine in suspend mode instead of powering off :P |
| 17:18.37 | drasko | hi all.. |
| 17:18.47 | ricky_clarkson | My machine starts up and gives me IRC, Yahoo mail, GMail, starts my Java IDE, connects me to Yahoo Messenger, MSN and Jabber, tells me how cold and wet it is outside and plays music in the time it takes me to boil my kettle. |
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| 17:19.20 | greycat | "Oh, did I mention, it's a 50 gallon kettle?" |
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| 17:19.23 | Flimzy | ricky_clarkson: I'm sorry to hear about the Yahoo mail part. |
| 17:19.23 | ricky_clarkson | Heh. |
| 17:19.31 | drasko | Where to change nuber of viretual consoles available - right now when I press Alt+Ctrl+F2, I don't have console... |
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| 17:19.34 | ricky_clarkson | Flimzy: I choose it. I forward my work mail to it. |
| 17:19.37 | greycat | sorry, 200 litre. |
| 17:19.51 | daft_ | if my maschine boots op I read a daily cartoon |
| 17:19.55 | Flimzy | ricky_clarkson: I use my own webmail. |
| 17:19.55 | greycat | drasko: /etc/inittab |
| 17:20.00 | Flimzy | drasko: /etc/inittab |
| 17:20.00 | greycat | drasko: man inittab; man telinit |
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| 17:20.09 | ricky_clarkson | Flimzy: Congrats. I don't have any machines that are on all the time. |
| 17:20.21 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: why not? |
| 17:20.38 | ricky_clarkson | Because I'm secretly an environmentalist. |
| 17:20.42 | Blissex | Noid: still around? |
| 17:20.46 | greycat | so get a little soekris or VIA box |
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| 17:21.02 | daft_ | ricky_clarkson, I wont tell any one |
| 17:21.05 | Noid | Blissex: barely, but yes (: |
| 17:21.05 | Flimzy | ricky_clarkson: I rent one for $15/mo |
| 17:21.25 | ricky_clarkson | I do use a server somewhere, but it's a little slow to access at times. |
| 17:21.34 | ricky_clarkson | Mainly because it's in San Francisco, and I'm in Salford. |
| 17:21.36 | Blissex | Noid: I have some links if you want. BTW, faster/better boot startup systems than 'sysvinit' are a cottage industry, quite a few around. |
| 17:21.40 | Flimzy | ricky_clarkson: I still have one I own on my 'rents DSL connection, but it's too slow and unreliable for my mail. |
| 17:21.43 | mrGenixus | I need some help compiling support for a "Fasttrack 100" RAID control into my kernle |
| 17:21.51 | Flimzy | ricky_clarkson: So I just use it for downloading science fiction television. |
| 17:22.03 | Blissex | Noid: some random links statrting with http://www.linuxhero.com/docs/420.html |
| 17:22.05 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: try asking a specific question |
| 17:22.07 | mrGenixus | I know how to use the standard process, but using make-kpg is new to me |
| 17:22.08 | Noid | Blissex: many thanks (: |
| 17:22.16 | mrGenixus | well, I'm not sure what I did wrong |
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| 17:22.25 | stew | !wayc mrGenixus |
| 17:22.26 | dpkg | mrGenixus: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 17:22.26 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: Okay, so try asking a specific question. |
| 17:22.37 | greycat | mrGenixus: you do the EXACT same thing you'd normally do, but then instead of typing "make bzImage" you type "make-kpkg ...." |
| 17:22.50 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: More useless commentary does not consitute a specific question. |
| 17:22.56 | Blissex | Noid: article link and comments http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=4711&offset=30&rows=45 |
| 17:23.02 | mrGenixus | dpkg: becuase apt-getiing a krenl image doesn't garantee support for my RAID |
| 17:23.02 | dpkg | mrGenixus: You are moron #16 |
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| 17:23.14 | greycat | !software RAID |
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| 17:23.32 | Blissex | Noid: http://www.winterdrache.de/linux/newboot/ |
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| 17:23.35 | Flimzy | greycat: He has a psuedo-hardware raid card |
| 17:23.41 | mrGenixus | ok, how do I remove all sources and images and do new compile |
| 17:23.43 | stew | mrGenixus: the debian kernels have pretty much everything compiled as a module |
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| 17:24.01 | greycat | dpkg, software RAID is the pet rock of the 2100s. One day you're going to look back at this and wonder "My GOD! What was I *thinking*?" |
| 17:24.01 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 17:24.05 | Blissex | Noid: ah this is the original page of the Gooch thing: http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/boot-scripts/ |
| 17:24.12 | mrGenixus | stew, that's good, I think debian should switch to a minix kernel |
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| 17:24.39 | mrGenixus | I don't even want to run RAID, I just want access to my other two IDE controllers under linux |
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| 17:24.56 | greycat | mrGenixus: so what's that got to do with a custom kernel? |
| 17:25.07 | Flimzy | greycat: The guy who invented the pet rock was a genious! He made a million dollars! I had a great idea like that once... |
| 17:25.08 | stew | mrGenixus: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:25.23 | greycat | Flimzy: it's not the idea; it's the *marketing*. |
| 17:25.27 | mrGenixus | greycat: see, the fastrack IDE controller isn't automatically suppored, nor were some /most of the networking options I'm running |
| 17:25.27 | asg | Flimzy: pet turds? |
| 17:25.35 | Flimzy | asg: *sigh* |
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| 17:25.42 | mrGenixus | stew, I don't unerstand the question |
| 17:25.43 | destr0 | when I installed mysql, it said something about not bieng able to recievce connections until I made an entry in the hosts file or something? does that sound right? |
| 17:25.43 | greycat | mrGenixus: which kernel option is absent from the standard sarge kernels? |
| 17:25.47 | Noid | Blissex: woha, many thanks for all of those, i guess quite a lot of reading awaits me... (; |
| 17:25.55 | Blissex | Noid: newer one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/midori/ |
| 17:26.03 | asg | Flimzy: just market them as 'Huggable Nuggets(TM)' |
| 17:26.05 | Flimzy | destr0: Did you try reading the docs? |
| 17:26.09 | stew | mrGenixus: what is an example of a networking option that you're running that wouldn't be supported by a debian kernel? |
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| 17:26.20 | Blissex | Noid: http://lwn.net/Articles/51986/ |
| 17:26.21 | destr0 | Flimzy: which docs? |
| 17:26.23 | mrGenixus | greycat: I'm not running a standard sarge kernel, I had to do a compile to fix other problems, a riend of mine heklped me, and he isn't available |
| 17:26.27 | Flimzy | asg: you've never seen office space? |
| 17:26.32 | Flimzy | destr0: for mysql, of course |
| 17:26.32 | stew | mrGenixus: what does uname -r say? |
| 17:26.42 | chugga | W: Duplicate sources.list entry when i ran apt-get update. whats this about then? |
| 17:26.43 | greycat | mrGenixus: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:26.44 | asg | Flimzy: yeah but it's been a long time. |
| 17:26.46 | destr0 | on the debian site? man page? mysql? |
| 17:26.50 | mrGenixus | Linux samson 2.6.10-20050120v1 #1 Thu Jan 20 14:18:36 MST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:26.59 | Flimzy | asg: Too long, if I may say so :) |
| 17:27.04 | asg | Flimzy: apparently :) |
| 17:27.07 | destr0 | s/mysql/mysql.com |
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| 17:27.14 | mrGenixus | debian version is 3.1 |
| 17:27.36 | simonrvn | what does sources.list say, unstable/sid or testing/sarge? |
| 17:27.39 | Blissex | Noid: and finally http://www.daemonnews.org/200108/rcdsystem.html |
| 17:27.39 | greycat | mrGenixus: so, which option is present in your custom .config file but not in /boot/config-2.6.* ? |
| 17:27.39 | Flimzy | I should find something productive to do with my day |
| 17:27.42 | stew | mrGenixus: what kind of problems were you having that made you compile a custom kernel? |
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| 17:27.51 | asg | Flimzy: I did fail a Communications course once because they wouldn't let me gut a fish as part of the demonstration portion of the course and I refused to do anything else. |
| 17:27.54 | mrGenixus | honestly, I don't remember, I think it was ALSA |
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| 17:27.58 | mrGenixus | maybe |
| 17:28.04 | destr0 | Flimzy: where you refering to debian mysql docs on the debian site? |
| 17:28.05 | drasko | greycat, Flimzy My default runlevel is 5. I changed line 2:2:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 to 2:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2. Does that mean thast I enabled tty2 now in runlevels 3,4 and 5, while before it was only enabled in rl 2? |
| 17:28.08 | mrGenixus | I know that we id it, eveything worked, and I went on with my life |
| 17:28.12 | Noid | Blissex: thanks, bookmarked them all |
| 17:28.13 | Blissex | Noid: as you shall see the basic idea is always the same: describe dependencies among daemons, and start them in parallel if there is no dependency. |
| 17:28.14 | Flimzy | asg: hehe |
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| 17:28.20 | greycat | drasko: yes. |
| 17:28.32 | Flimzy | destr0: I was refering to any and all mysql docs relevant to the process of installing mysql |
| 17:28.42 | mrGenixus | stew: for whatever reason, I'm not, nor do I wish to run a standard modular kernel |
| 17:28.46 | drasko | greycat, Flimzy tahnks people! |
| 17:28.58 | Noid | Blissex: nice for subjective boot times, i see |
| 17:29.10 | Blissex | Noid: that's what people see :-) |
| 17:29.29 | stew | mrGenixus: ok so whats the problem? |
| 17:29.32 | greycat | mrGenixus: so.... what was the question again? I've lost track. |
| 17:29.32 | mrGenixus | I would like to use my current config, and add to it, support formy fastrack ide controller, |
| 17:29.33 | Noid | Blissex: as long as they think it's faster... |
| 17:29.44 | greycat | mrGenixus: so go do it. have fun. ta ta. |
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| 17:29.48 | mrGenixus | greycat: first: how can I save the config for my running kernel |
| 17:29.48 | stew | mrGenixus: ok so whats the problem? |
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| 17:29.54 | nSe | hmm... i have installed Firefox in the wrong directory, how can i uninstall it? it does not seem to have an uninstall file... |
| 17:29.55 | Blissex | Noid: MS Windows sometimes gets to the login screen faster than Linux jut because it starts all services in the background. |
| 17:29.55 | greycat | mrGenixus: cp .config .config.bak |
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| 17:30.18 | stew | mrGenixus: it should be /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 17:30.19 | greycat | nSe: apt-get remove mozilla-firefox |
| 17:30.22 | luctor | what modules do I need to support hp scanjet 5200C usb |
| 17:30.26 | greycat | stew: he didn't build it with make-kpkg. |
| 17:30.31 | stew | oh right |
| 17:30.36 | stew | mrGenixus: /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:30.38 | Blissex | Noid: starting things in parallel when possible not only gets you a login prompt faster, it can also actually cut down in time wasted idling the machine. |
| 17:30.42 | mrGenixus | greycat: contraire, I did |
| 17:30.46 | Flimzy | Noid: You could always try to change the perception of a long boot time by adding a message like "Optimizing system for faster access times..." for 30 seconds during the boot. And "Parallelizing disk files to allow for maximum efficiency..." and other useless jargon that makes idiots think something cool is going on :P |
| 17:31.15 | Flimzy | Noid: like greycat said a bit ago... "It's all in the marketing" |
| 17:31.15 | greycat | mrGenixus: then there's nothing to "back up". It's in /boot and it's in the .deb and it's in the source tree. |
| 17:31.21 | asg | Noid: make the boot screen a picture of a field, that makes people comfortable. |
| 17:31.25 | nSe | graycat: with "apt-get install mozilla-firefox" i'll donwload it and install thought? |
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| 17:31.52 | greycat | Can we have an IQ test before people get voice here? Please? |
| 17:31.53 | mrGenixus | greycat: ok, now, I want to remove all sources, changelogs, and re-get them, how do I do that? |
| 17:32.08 | greycat | mrGenixus: man dpkg; man apt-get; man make-kpkg |
| 17:32.22 | asg | greycat: dancer-ircd supports waiting areas, we could implement something like that. |
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| 17:32.39 | Flimzy | mrGenixus: 1) that's probably a useless thing to do. 2) use rm, duh |
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| 17:33.08 | greycat | what the hell kind of breastfeeding did he expect from us? |
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| 17:33.55 | nSe | graycat: "Package mozilla-firefox is not installed, so not removed" but i did it! but not by apt-get standard way, i get the tar.gz file and did a Firefox Installer Shell Script |
| 17:34.23 | asg | greycat: we've contemplated adding an 'IQ -- idiot quotient' field to our ldap schema to tailor our web applications based on who is logged in. |
| 17:34.30 | Noid | asg: Flimzy: Blissex: knowing one of them, he will probably track the time it takes d-: |
| 17:34.39 | asg | Noid: there's always one. |
| 17:34.54 | asg | Noid: hire a hooker, take pictures, blackmail that one |
| 17:35.05 | Flimzy | Noid: Display your own "boot time" clock during boot |
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| 17:35.13 | Flimzy | Noid: make it update every 1.5 seconds :P |
| 17:35.17 | greycat | nSe: you flunked your IQ test. |
| 17:35.26 | Flimzy | Noid: maybe that will convince them not to check their own clocks |
| 17:35.30 | greycat | nSe: man 1 rm |
| 17:35.35 | nSe | greycat: wrong name... |
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| 17:35.42 | greycat | nSe: no. you. |
| 17:35.51 | Noid | Flimzy: yeah, and if they find out, I'm fired... d-: |
| 17:35.52 | greycat | nSe: YOU, on the other hand, are the one who can't spell my nick. |
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| 17:36.06 | Flimzy | Noid: Well the bright side will be you can find a job for ppl who don't expect the impossible :P |
| 17:36.10 | Blissex | Noid: yes, to the login screen, and the dependency based boot helps with that. |
| 17:36.25 | Blissex | Flimzy: where can you find such jobs? |
| 17:36.34 | chugga | gaycat, can you help me with sources.dist |
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| 17:36.34 | possie | Blissex: ah i find that it hangs when i do mt -f /dev/tape setblk 32768, i can rewind the tape and eject etc |
| 17:36.37 | Flimzy | Blissex: most fast food restaurants :P |
| 17:36.42 | Noid | Flimzy: nah, they pay too well... it comes hand in hand with that d-: |
| 17:36.43 | nSe | greycat: but toy read? can you help me? |
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| 17:36.51 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 17:37.02 | asg | chugga: we've told you a correct sources.list entry for your problem. It worked. |
| 17:37.18 | nSe | greycat: but you read? can you help me? |
| 17:37.29 | stew | !wayttd nSe |
| 17:37.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, nSe? |
| 17:37.33 | nSe | greycat: sorry, i'm not very well today! |
| 17:37.34 | asg | greycat: that killfile must be enormous by now |
| 17:38.14 | greycat | 84 /ignore's at the moment. |
| 17:38.32 | Noid | greycat: only? |
| 17:38.50 | vile_maxim | Has anyone ever had apt over write config files during an upgrade withour asking? |
| 17:38.51 | chugga | asg, the thing is, im confused. my old file had seperate lines for testing, experimental and so on .. i tried merging them all into one because it said had duplicates and that failed |
| 17:38.58 | jethro | greycat: all matching a aparticular user or wider masks too? :) |
| 17:38.59 | resiak | vile_maxim: No. Apt doesn't do that. |
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| 17:39.24 | greycat | Noid: yes, only. most of the list is "foo: MSGS" for people who've /msg'ed me without reason; the latter part of the list is timed "foo: ALL", usually 1-10 days. |
| 17:39.34 | chugga | this is it: deb http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free testing unstable experimental |
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| 17:39.44 | asg | chugga: you need separate source lines for separate distributions. The fact that you combined testing and experimental is another worrying fact. |
| 17:39.47 | asg | chugga: that won't work |
| 17:39.58 | Noid | greycat: ahhh with timeouts, ok... |
| 17:40.07 | chugga | asg, ok .. it was giving me duplicate warnings - what was that about? |
| 17:40.11 | vile_maxim | resiak, yeah... I know that's the policy, but a friend is warnign me about trusting apt claiming it *did* overwrite a php.ini file on his machine. I'm just varifing no one else experienced that problem |
| 17:40.12 | stew | chugga: you don't want experimental |
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| 17:40.18 | resiak | chugga: Why are you using experimental if you're asking me these questions? |
| 17:40.22 | resiak | chugga: s/me // |
| 17:40.37 | resiak | vile_maxim: That's a bug, if it happened. |
| 17:40.38 | Flimzy | vile_maxim: Then he told it to overwrite |
| 17:40.39 | asg | chugga: not a clue, I've never, ever, had a reason to contemplate using experimental. |
| 17:40.41 | chugga | whats wrong with experimental? i want a big apt |
| 17:40.46 | stew | chugga: you should probably read man 5 sources.list |
| 17:40.47 | greycat | !tell vile_maxim about unix lessons |
| 17:41.01 | stew | chugga: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 17:41.18 | chugga | oh. shit .. :-/ |
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| 17:41.19 | resiak | "What's wrong with unnecessary viagra? I want a bid..." |
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| 17:41.30 | quittt | !syd barret |
| 17:41.42 | quittt | !sid |
| 17:41.42 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
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| 17:41.49 | stew | quittt: /msg the bot |
| 17:42.05 | chugga | ok, what about unstable? can i merge that into on eline |
| 17:42.15 | Shay | does someone knows what's wrong with CUPS? |
| 17:42.17 | resiak | chugga: No, you can't. |
| 17:42.19 | Shay | (on unstable) |
| 17:42.25 | chugga | ok |
| 17:42.30 | asg | chugga: you can use stable, testing, or unstable. If you mix them, you will get bad results. |
| 17:42.33 | asg | Shay: the bts |
| 17:42.40 | Flimzy | Shay: it's unstable? |
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| 17:42.50 | vorlon | Shay: what's wrong with CUPS is that it's insane bloatware, but I guess that's not the question you asked. |
| 17:42.51 | chugga | asg, well that sucks :=/ which one is for me? |
| 17:42.53 | resiak | chugga: If you're asking that, you _really_ shouldn't be using unstable either. |
| 17:43.01 | asg | chugga: testing |
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| 17:43.27 | emfpilot | chugga: http://libranet.com |
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| 17:43.53 | Shay | asg; fine, looking |
| 17:43.54 | Flimzy | chugga: if it's a server, use stable. If it's your home PC, probably testing. |
| 17:43.55 | resiak | Oh god, advocate trolls. |
| 17:44.12 | tyia | is there a package that trims down the base system? |
| 17:44.22 | greycat | tyia: coreutils. which contains rm(1). |
| 17:44.24 | Flimzy | chugga: Only use unstable if you know based on your own knowledge that you should use it. |
| 17:44.29 | stew | heh |
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| 17:44.40 | asg | tyia: start with /usr/share/doc |
| 17:44.59 | tyia | greycat: sortof blunt irony... there is localepurge that frees quite a lot e.g. |
| 17:45.07 | greycat | a custom kernel-image could be a LOT smaller than sarge's, too. |
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| 17:45.16 | chugga | im going with testing. forget unstable/explosive whatever it was called |
| 17:45.23 | asg | chugga: good choice |
| 17:45.29 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Is there any way of auto-configuring a kernel based on the hardware you have? |
| 17:45.31 | resiak | !win chugga |
| 17:45.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, chugga! You have won the US presidency! |
| 17:45.39 | chugga | thanks :-/ |
| 17:45.47 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: no, and I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 17:45.53 | tyia | so, localepurge, rm -r /usr/share/doc and building a slim kernel is just about it? |
| 17:45.58 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: When I last bothered recompiling a kernel I was worried that I'd miss out a bit of necessary hardware. |
| 17:46.06 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: what happens if you need to swap out the NIC one day and you didn't have a driver for the other one? |
| 17:46.16 | asg | tyia: a more aggressive log rotation strategy |
| 17:46.18 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Recompile. |
| 17:46.21 | jakjak | i dunno about the ##linux place |
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| 17:46.37 | tyia | asg: nice point |
| 17:46.38 | asg | tyia: maybe even log to a ramdisk and periodically offline logs to a remote server. |
| 17:46.42 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I'm not suggesting it as a general good strategy, just as a possibility if you did feel like optimising. |
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| 17:46.57 | tyia | asg: even better, the host has too little ram though |
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| 17:47.09 | jariep1_ | what package(s) do I need in order to install wxwindows now known as wxwidgets? |
| 17:47.09 | asg | tyia: then most things can be logged remotely via syslog |
| 17:47.13 | JoshH | gentoo has a genkernel script that supposedly tries to do that, but ive heard it shouldnt be completely depended on |
| 17:47.19 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it'll never happen anyway. Linux can't even manage to get sensible default values in their full "stable" release kernels. |
| 17:47.27 | asg | tyia: things like apache, mysql, etc., can probably be configured to log to syslog, though they don't by default. |
| 17:47.53 | chugga | wow. apt-get update is so much quicker now that i dont have so many lines |
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| 17:48.10 | luctor | I read something about 2.6.9 kernel using libusb now instead of a /dev for scanner. Is this true ? hp 5200 C |
| 17:48.12 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Fair enough. |
| 17:48.19 | asg | chugga: yes, if you have no need for contrib or non-free, it will be even faster. |
| 17:48.31 | luctor | modprobe 5200 doesnt work for me though |
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| 17:48.48 | luctor | modprobe libusb that is |
| 17:49.02 | chugga | asg, hmm, nah i think i do. What about that non-official repository - the one with player? |
| 17:49.08 | chugga | *mplayer |
| 17:49.20 | conor | is there any tool that lets you view the output from a terminal? i.e. I have a process running in a xterm on another machine on pts/3 and it *isn't* running under screen. However, I'd still like to be able to either 'take over' that terminal or even just see the output at /dev/pts/3 |
| 17:49.21 | asg | chugga: if you use it, keep it. If not, cast it to the winds |
| 17:49.32 | asg | chugga: or compile it yourself and stick it in /usr/local |
| 17:49.37 | greycat | chugga: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:49.37 | nSe | greycat: sorry for asking you again... "Package mozilla-firefox is not installed, so not removed" but i did it! but not by apt-get standard way, i get the tar.gz file and did a Firefox Installer Shell Script. i'm already getting Mozilla-Firefox by apt-get, but i need to unistall the other one... what should i try? |
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| 17:49.48 | ryan_ | I'm having issues with esound . I can run the daemon as a normal user, But sounds can only be played as root. It's not a permission issue with dsp , because the sound server itself is running as a normal user.. But i cannot play sounds as a normal user, any ideas? |
| 17:49.53 | greycat | conor: you should have used screen. |
| 17:50.01 | asg | conor: you might try xmove but that might not work. |
| 17:50.06 | greycat | ryan_: what error do you get? |
| 17:50.11 | stew | nSe: you need to go rm it from all the places it installed itself, probably all over /usr/local |
| 17:50.13 | jariep1_ | is anybody familiar with wxwindows? |
| 17:50.19 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 17:50.19 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:50.22 | conor | greycat: of course |
| 17:50.22 | ryan_ | ryan_, don't get an error.. just no sound.. no error on the player or the sound server |
| 17:50.46 | greycat | ryan_: do you *need* esd? |
| 17:50.57 | ryan_ | green_earz, Do i have any other choice in gnome? |
| 17:51.07 | greycat | you always have a choice. |
| 17:51.14 | asg | not using gnome is a good one |
| 17:51.14 | greycat | however, the fact that you chose GNOME bodes ill. |
| 17:51.21 | jariep1_ | i'm trying to install a package which has wxwindows as a dependency |
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| 17:51.25 | CompWizrd | d |
| 17:51.27 | ryan_ | greycat, I .. lately, became a huge fan of gnome2. |
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| 17:51.31 | ryan_ | greycat, give it a chance. |
| 17:51.37 | resiak | jariep1_: You don't mean a package. |
| 17:51.40 | conor | greycat: i was thinking something like interceptty might be able to do a reasonable job just to see the output |
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| 17:52.45 | jariep1_ | resiak, i'm trying to install MUTE p2p but it requires wxwindows to be installed and I don't know what packages i need to install |
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| 17:52.56 | resiak | jariep1_: apt-cache search wxwindows |
| 17:52.58 | greycat | jariep1_: apt-cache search wxwindows |
| 17:52.59 | resiak | jariep1_: Pick a -dev one |
| 17:53.03 | resiak | jariep1_: Ignore that |
| 17:53.06 | oneo | hey guys - i just did a apt-get upgrade to upgrade all the packages on my debian box and for some reason the sound wont work now...mplayer reports: [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such device |
| 17:53.07 | oneo | alsa-init: no soundcards found: Success |
| 17:53.09 | resiak | jariep1_: _Don't_ pick a -dev one |
| 17:53.11 | ricky_clarkson | Does the UDP packet that traceroute sends out actually contain the source and destination IP addresses again? |
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| 17:53.17 | greycat | resiak: probably wouldn't hurt... |
| 17:53.22 | resiak | greycat: True. |
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| 17:53.42 | ryan_ | greycat, Any ideas at all.. the regular user is the one running the esound server and it can't play to it. also it is a member of the group audio |
| 17:53.46 | Yildirim | how can i install E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:53.46 | Yildirim | curl |
| 17:54.11 | Yildirim | how can i install libcurl2 becaus i cant update my packages? :( |
| 17:54.33 | Yildirim | (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7, <> line 1.) |
| 17:54.42 | greycat | ryan_: dunno, ask a gnome channel. |
| 17:54.47 | resiak | ryan_: Use ALSA, use dmix, make esd use ALSA. |
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| 17:55.13 | chugga | hmm i think i finally almost understand apt-get + repositories .. thanks guys :D |
| 17:55.22 | greycat | Yildirim: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 17:55.27 | greycat | Yildirim: pick "dialog". |
| 17:55.34 | gilles | Something still prevents me from connecting to my server in extern on Debian, therefore it works from Windows, I don't know why (?) |
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| 17:56.01 | Yildirim | greycat: and then? |
| 17:56.12 | greycat | and then hopefully you won't get that Qt.pm error any more. |
| 17:56.48 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Does the UDP packet that traceroute sends out actually contain the source and destination IP addresses again? |
| 17:57.28 | stew | ricky_clarkson: you mean like in the payload? |
| 17:57.37 | Yildirim | greycat: i have the fault ? it isnt fixed? |
| 17:57.39 | stew | ricky_clarkson: aside from the headers? |
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| 17:58.40 | Yildirim | greycat: look at private.. read the message |
| 17:58.49 | chugga | one more question guys. when install something my kde menu entries get updated - how do i do the same for my windowmanager (blackbox)? |
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| 18:00.49 | js_ | is there a kernel-image in woody that handles drives taht are larger than 137439 MB? |
| 18:01.11 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:01.33 | chugga | damn....... and apt-cache searches finsh much quicker now. *sigh* this rocks |
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| 18:02.29 | simonrvn | plonk |
| 18:02.32 | Yildirim | chugga: can i delete all the files on the cache??? and if i do that can i get a fault? |
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| 18:03.59 | stew | ricky_clarkson: looks like no. looks like the payload is a sequence number, a time that the packet left and a checksum, if i'm reading it correctly |
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| 18:04.12 | chugga | Yildirim, huh? i have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 18:04.28 | Yildirim | chugga: we have got a cache dir or not? |
| 18:04.45 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Why would it include the time to live? |
| 18:05.02 | __Gary | Guys, for some reason, the bridge on my server doesn't work correctly. The client can connect through it perfectly, and in that respect it is fine. However, my client can not connect to my server or ping my server. I can ping the server from other machines that are not part of the bridge, and i can ssh to it from other computers. Any ideas why my client can not? |
| 18:05.05 | chugga | Yildirim, yeah. hmm i dont see why couldnt clear it, but better check with the others |
| 18:05.17 | stew | ricky_clarkson: huh? it doesn't |
| 18:05.46 | ricky_clarkson | stew: "a time that the packet left" - I see. Creation time? |
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| 18:05.57 | ricky_clarkson | I thought you'd omitted the word "has" ;) |
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| 18:06.12 | Yildirim | chugga: i have clear it yesterday, and now i have a problem with libcurl2 it cant start.. how can i fix this problem did you have an idea? |
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| 18:06.31 | Pornoco | my samba doesnt update my share resources, how can i fix that? |
| 18:06.48 | simonrvn | #samba |
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| 18:06.59 | stew | ricky_clarkson: when traceroute sends a udp packet it calls gettimeofday and puts that in the payload, why? idunno |
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| 18:07.21 | ricky_clarkson | stew: That's fine, thanks for that. |
| 18:07.23 | chugga | Yildirim, no, sorry |
| 18:07.30 | stew | ricky_clarkson: it seems to use the time of day on the return to calculate roundtrip |
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| 18:07.41 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I am implementing traceroute (well, fixing my own broken traceroute implementation). |
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| 18:08.45 | Pornoco | in one windows client i share one resource, when i go to the linux client and try to access that resource, is not listed |
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| 18:09.06 | stew | ricky_clarkson: why are you reinventing the wheel? |
| 18:09.33 | ricky_clarkson | stew: http://www.netsim.info |
| 18:09.47 | stew | cool |
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| 18:10.12 | asg | Pornoco: try #samba |
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| 18:14.07 | stew | ricky_clarkson: what's your role in the university? are you a student? staff? |
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| 18:14.21 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Staff. Research Assistant. |
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| 18:14.30 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I wrote most of this while a student though. |
| 18:14.48 | chugga | is there a way of telling apt-get to have a lower priority when it installs stuff? it kinda freezes up my screen... i mean its not like im compiling hundreds of files like in other distros, i wont mind it if takes an extra minute or two to complete |
| 18:14.56 | Pornoco | i restarted samba, and still doesnt work |
| 18:15.14 | Pornoco | samba is not showing the new shared resource |
| 18:15.35 | ricky_clarkson | #samba |
| 18:15.38 | asg | chugga: man nice |
| 18:15.58 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Could you ask him out off-channel please? |
| 18:16.02 | ricky_clarkson | Aaah, I see. |
| 18:16.05 | asg | ricky_clarkson: haha |
| 18:16.15 | stew | ricky_clarkson: you don't force students to use unix? ack! |
| 18:16.24 | bizkit | is there a way to burn clonecd images? cdrdao doesn't work with the .ccd.. ccd2iso? no debian package? ... any ideas? |
| 18:16.26 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Linux, and yes we do. |
| 18:16.33 | Pornoco | doesnt work ricky_clarkson |
| 18:16.35 | stew | ricky_clarkson: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/netsim/pi/running.txt |
| 18:16.40 | ricky_clarkson | Pornoco: What's that? |
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| 18:16.53 | chugga | asg, ok. lets say i renice apt-get will it do so for its child processes too? |
| 18:16.58 | stew | ricky_clarkson: i found evidence to the contrary! :) |
| 18:17.10 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Ah, that's the MIT (dumbed down CS) course. At this point they haven't met Linux, but they will. |
| 18:17.13 | asg | chugga: should do |
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| 18:17.41 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Hey, I make them use cmd.exe, that's a start in the right direction. Many haven't seen it before. |
| 18:17.44 | eggy | hm |
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| 18:17.47 | stew | heh |
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| 18:17.50 | chugga | asg, ok. thankyou :) |
| 18:17.56 | asg | chugga: you're welcome |
| 18:18.03 | ricky_clarkson | stew: The ones that have seen it before marvel at my tab-completion 5k1llz |
| 18:18.23 | ludi | is sid the next repository after testing? |
| 18:18.23 | pwned | where can I learn info about turning on auto fsck at boot, the debian way? |
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| 18:19.00 | asg | pwned: you want it to run fsck every time you boot? |
| 18:19.01 | stew | pwned: the debian way would be not to turn it off |
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| 18:19.11 | pwned | asg, just on incorrect shutdowns |
| 18:19.14 | stew | pwned: oh i misread that |
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| 18:19.30 | pwned | stew, it's ok, we all need sarcasm =P |
| 18:19.32 | stew | pwned: do you think its not doing the right thing already? |
| 18:19.44 | ludi | anyone running sid right now? |
| 18:19.53 | drac | !anyone |
| 18:19.53 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 18:19.57 | asg | pwned: then touch a file somewhere on a correct shutdown, hack the init.d scripts to check for it and if it doesn't exist, fsck. |
| 18:20.03 | ludi | can I upgrade from testing to sid? |
| 18:20.04 | pwned | stew, well yes. Whenever I reboot without unmounting, it doesn't do fsck at the beginning, like it used to do |
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| 18:20.12 | stew | pwned: what fs? |
| 18:20.16 | pwned | ext3 |
| 18:20.16 | stew | pshaggs: ext3? |
| 18:20.36 | drac | ludi: you could, but why? sarge has shiny problems too :) |
| 18:20.42 | pwned | asg, I will heed this. |
| 18:20.43 | drac | programs |
| 18:20.44 | ludi | shiny problems? |
| 18:20.46 | drac | :) |
| 18:20.47 | stew | pwned: ext3 being journaled doesn't always require a fsck |
| 18:20.58 | DekanyZ | If someone has any experiences with dual head (two monitor) systems, please contact me!! Thanxs! |
| 18:21.02 | drac | what a typo |
| 18:21.05 | ludi | oh, shiny programs... |
| 18:21.07 | pwned | well that's nice of ext3 |
| 18:21.21 | pwned | I guess it started happening after I moved from ext2 |
| 18:21.30 | asg | pwned: then consider that a feature |
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| 18:21.39 | edsuom | My python-based web server has died. The last python update now puts the "profile" module in a separate package, but I can't get it: "Package python-profiler has no installation candidate" |
| 18:21.45 | pwned | feature, not a bug. Sure. |
| 18:21.52 | thenuke | ARGH, why my screen is kind of letterboxed on this laptop now.. top and bottom areas of the screen are not used, this sucks a lot. Any ideas what to conf :) ? I have grub in this if that matters |
| 18:22.07 | asg | edsuom: /msg dpkg search (find out what package contains the module) |
| 18:22.13 | greycat | thenuke: use X instead of console, or use the framebuffer... |
| 18:22.25 | fxn | which is the canonical package for installing X? |
| 18:22.34 | thenuke | greycat: wellh, I dont have X yet installed, and I still want console to work too :P |
| 18:22.36 | asg | fxn: x-window-system |
| 18:22.43 | asg | fxn: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 18:22.43 | greycat | thenuke: it works fine. |
| 18:22.52 | thenuke | do you happen to know how to get the framebuffer to be used in console? |
| 18:23.23 | asg | thenuke: pass vga=771 or vga=791 to the kernel on boot. If it works, edit your bootloader to pass it everytime. |
| 18:23.26 | edsuom | asg: It is a package (shows up in dpkg -l), but I can't get it from the usual sources.list places |
| 18:23.45 | fxn | asg: I think that installs xdm, maybe x-window-system-core to avoid xdm? |
| 18:23.47 | asg | edsuom: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:23.55 | edsuom | asg: sid |
| 18:23.57 | asg | fxn: if you wish, or you can remove xdm after installing x-window-system |
| 18:24.02 | asg | edsuom: then check the bts, file bugs. |
| 18:24.06 | asg | edsuom: and /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:24.20 | fxn | asg: I see, thank you! |
| 18:24.20 | thenuke | asg: roger that, I'll try, thanks a lot in advance |
| 18:24.32 | greycat | fxn: you can indeed use -core if you prefer. |
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| 18:24.52 | sgeigerbot | Comments, anyone? "GATES: We're responsible for the creation of the PC industry. The whole idea of compatible machines and lots of software that's something we brought to computing." -- http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=506354&page=1 |
| 18:24.54 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
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| 18:25.38 | asg | sgeigerbot: he could afford to have the mole on his cheek removed with the cash he makes. |
| 18:25.43 | greycat | "compatible" only with others of their own kind. |
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| 18:25.59 | FieldySnuts | troll |
| 18:26.00 | AP03 | can anyone help disable the system beep? |
| 18:26.02 | thenuke | uhmm, I have something like "kernel /boot/... root=/dev..hda3 ro quiet splash" in grubs menu.lst, do I add those vga-modes into that line? |
| 18:26.06 | asg | AP03: /msg dpkg beep |
| 18:26.08 | thenuke | I'm new to grub :) |
| 18:26.13 | Delph | AP03: reach into the case, and snip the wires. |
| 18:26.14 | greycat | AP03: /msg dpkg bell |
| 18:26.21 | asg | thenuke: add it after the 'splash' keyword |
| 18:27.00 | asg | thenuke: but I would test things first to make sure it works. |
| 18:27.01 | HobNob | hey guys, i was just about to use multicd to backup a load of files, as images, and writes them to cd, but it says fs type as ext2? i thought an image cd was just iso.... ? |
| 18:27.03 | xerophyte | my vmstat 3 3 89400 5860 29116 133044 25 22 114 112 105 9 9 2 0 89 and where 25 and 22 are swap in and out ..how can i find out which process using the swap |
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| 18:27.17 | HobNob | iso9660 |
| 18:27.31 | thenuke | asg: weeel, I can't ruin this completely if it does not work, so I take the chance. I have other kernels to boot and so on |
| 18:27.34 | asg | xerophyte: the processes taking all the memory are forcing your system to use swap. |
| 18:27.54 | asg | thenuke: and you can always edit the line from grub's interface at boot. |
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| 18:28.04 | HobNob | what fs_type do you think i should put to make the cd readable by all OS's ? |
| 18:28.13 | sgeigerbot | asg: ...and what does that have to do with his comment? |
| 18:28.17 | greycat | HobNob: iso9660 |
| 18:28.23 | HobNob | greycat, as i thought |
| 18:28.39 | asg | sgeigerbot: nothing at all, that was my comment on Gates in general. |
| 18:29.28 | thenuke | asg: oh, that sounds great. I guess I never should go for lilo again :) |
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| 18:29.52 | asg | thenuke: that is one of grub's advantages, yes. |
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| 18:30.37 | AP03 | greycat: how can i add "xset b off" to startup? |
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| 18:30.56 | tyia | feature request: someone should write docpurge, that purges man pages and /usr/share/doc automatically, like localepurge does |
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| 18:31.21 | asg | tyia: no real need, the few that need such things can just use rm(1) |
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| 18:31.33 | thenuke | hmm, icewm or xfce for p233/64 |
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| 18:31.51 | asg | thenuke: fvwm, ion, or one of the *box wms. |
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| 18:32.09 | asg | thenuke: though the two you mentioned should work fine. |
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| 18:32.20 | thenuke | asg: are those even lighter than icewm or just better in your opinion or or? |
| 18:32.36 | asg | thenuke: both lighter and better (the latter in my opinion.) |
| 18:32.44 | thenuke | yup ok, I guess it is pretty simple to install several different window managers |
| 18:32.47 | gino | does anyone use debian sarge (testing) on production systems? |
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| 18:33.08 | sgeigerbot | gino: Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
| 18:33.10 | asg | gino: yes but you have to be careful and track d-s-a and take appropriate measures. |
| 18:33.29 | thenuke | gino: I hardly believe so :o well, maybe some might use it if it is not so crucial production system? |
| 18:33.34 | sgeigerbot | gino: some people use sid, in fact, on production machines. (Just don't apt-get update all the time!) |
| 18:33.40 | sgeigerbot | s/update/upgrade/ |
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| 18:34.01 | tarzeau | hi streuner |
| 18:34.06 | gino | i have it on several webservers and mail relays |
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| 18:34.16 | thenuke | sgeigerbot: why updating all the time would cause problems? |
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| 18:34.24 | asg | thenuke: sid breaks all the time |
| 18:34.51 | gino | updateing is important because of security i think |
| 18:34.51 | baronsamedi | err... just got home to notice i've been kicked for flooding? :/ (which is doubtful, unless my lovely secure debian box has been comprimised) |
| 18:34.51 | tyia | but sarge doesn't (mostly) |
| 18:34.51 | asg | gino: sarge doesn't get security updates |
| 18:34.51 | jethro | gino: sid has no security fixes |
| 18:34.57 | greycat | sarge "mostly" does get updates, just a few days late. |
| 18:34.58 | tyia | asg: it does |
| 18:35.00 | jethro | gino: and sarge neither |
| 18:35.09 | greycat | what it doesn't get is *support* by the security team. yet. |
| 18:35.10 | gino | i never has serious problems |
| 18:35.10 | asg | tyia: only when they filter from sid |
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| 18:35.47 | tyia | tyia: most DSA-s have notes on sarge... |
| 18:35.53 | sgeigerbot | asg: re: mole> maybe it turns on his wife. |
| 18:35.53 | streuner | tarzeau: why do i have deserved a friendly 'Hi'? :-) |
| 18:35.58 | gino | dont they have right now security team because of upcomming sarge release? |
| 18:36.05 | stew | tyia: the security team hasn't realeased any pacakges for security |
| 18:36.06 | asg | sgeigerbot: perhaps, it seems to have worked so far |
| 18:36.07 | thenuke | asg: ok.. so hmm, if I brake sid with apt-get dist-upgrade, is it then possible to get it fixed with doing upgrade later again? |
| 18:36.16 | tarzeau | streuner: just so |
| 18:36.17 | stew | tyia: err for sarge |
| 18:36.19 | asg | thenuke: for some values of 'brake' |
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| 18:36.31 | streuner | tarzeau: cool, hi |
| 18:36.34 | gino | but in apt sources i have the link for sarge ... |
| 18:36.45 | stew | gino: but there are no packages for it yet, its just a placeholder |
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| 18:37.01 | gino | :( |
| 18:37.27 | gino | but the users needed newer versions of mysql and php |
| 18:37.48 | jethro | gino: use backports on woody or track dsas as suggested earlier |
| 18:38.14 | bozz | hi! i have a problem with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86: after reconfiguring the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is not created; can anybody help me with this problem? |
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| 18:38.27 | gino | so i was forced to upgrade from stabel. but one machine is working with both woody and some testing. apt pineing. |
| 18:38.31 | streuner | bozz: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 18:38.37 | stew | bozz: read the comments at the top of the file |
| 18:38.45 | tyia | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.58 | gino | do you think backports are more reliable then testing distro? |
| 18:39.08 | asg | gino: no |
| 18:39.11 | tarzeau | gino: no way |
| 18:39.13 | streuner | gino: hell, no |
| 18:39.22 | bozz | thank you |
| 18:39.23 | tarzeau | gino: sid is more reliable than anything non-official |
| 18:39.48 | gino | so it is better to go testing and unstable for real men? |
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| 18:39.52 | streuner | gino: backports usually made and have no changes and bugfixes... |
| 18:39.54 | tyia | tarzeau: you would recommend unstable over testing? |
| 18:39.56 | tarzeau | gino: not and, or |
| 18:40.02 | tarzeau | tyia: security |
| 18:40.18 | stew | tyia: i wouldn't recommend unstable to anyone |
| 18:40.23 | tarzeau | tyia: newer and more packages |
| 18:40.23 | dondelelcaro | tyia: generally if you have to ask that question, you want to stick with testing. |
| 18:40.39 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, don't recommend unstable to anyone. |
| 18:40.42 | streuner | !sid faq |
| 18:40.42 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:40.46 | streuner | read that |
| 18:41.04 | ricky_clarkson | If anyone wants unstable, they'll have used testing for a while, and they'll recommend unstable to themselves if they need it. |
| 18:41.29 | gino | but not all backports have the security better then testing packages. unstable might be better for security. |
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| 18:41.52 | ricky_clarkson | gino: That policy decision sounds bad then. |
| 18:41.56 | tarzeau | gino: of course security is better in sid, than in testing (still) |
| 18:42.08 | tyia | dondelelcaro: the question is actually 'how to stay secure yet use modern packages' |
| 18:42.11 | dondelelcaro | gino: if you care about security, and aren't wiling to run anything, you shouldn't be running either. |
| 18:42.19 | dondelelcaro | s/run anything/expend time/ |
| 18:42.34 | gino | i hope debian will freeze testing soon so i can sleep more stable :) |
| 18:42.45 | dondelelcaro | tyia: these are often totally opposite goals |
| 18:43.17 | gino | dondelelcaro: i have a backup |
| 18:43.40 | tyia | dondelelcaro: not necessarily, bughunt mostly focusses on newer releases |
| 18:44.11 | stew | wtf is bughunt |
| 18:44.19 | ricky_clarkson | !bughunt |
| 18:44.20 | tyia | dondelelcaro: feature x will be dropped and all of its bugs with it |
| 18:44.32 | ricky_clarkson | It can't exist, if dpkg doesn't know about it. |
| 18:44.42 | tyia | dpkg, bughunt is finding bugs in software |
| 18:44.42 | dpkg | okay, tyia |
| 18:44.51 | tyia | !bughunt |
| 18:44.51 | dpkg | i heard bughunt is finding bugs in software |
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| 18:45.02 | ricky_clarkson | Java calls its bug database a bugparade. |
| 18:45.16 | ricky_clarkson | There are >6 million members in that parade. |
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| 18:45.22 | asg | ricky_clarkson: ouch |
| 18:45.22 | ricky_clarkson | s/members/bugs/ |
| 18:45.33 | chugga | so is it an amazing thing that i've been updating apt against experimental, unstable, testing and stable? |
| 18:45.33 | ricky_clarkson | Of course, most of them are duplicates or nonsense. |
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| 18:46.03 | tyia | ricky_clarkson: but the will be eventually fixed in newer java releases |
| 18:46.10 | DekanyZ | If someone has any experiences with dual head (two monitor) systems, please contact me!! Thanxs! |
| 18:46.28 | tarzeau | dpkg tell DekanyZ about ask |
| 18:46.30 | chugga | DekanyZ, i have. whatsup |
| 18:46.35 | ricky_clarkson | tyia: Yeah, right. |
| 18:46.35 | dondelelcaro | tyia: sure, but you forget that the most debilitating bugs show up in new packages (loss of data, total lack of all function, etc) |
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| 18:46.52 | ricky_clarkson | tyia: That was sarcasm. There are many genuine bugs that won't be fixed. |
| 18:46.59 | greycat | dondelelcaro: don't forget classics like "can't login" |
| 18:47.03 | DekanyZ | Wich wm is the best for dual head use? |
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| 18:47.11 | tarzeau | dpkg tell DekanyZ about best |
| 18:47.16 | ricky_clarkson | tyia: java.util.FileReader and java.util.FileWriter are fucking useless but won't be fixed or deprecated. |
| 18:47.43 | stew | useless? |
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| 18:47.43 | stew | ohn |
| 18:47.43 | ricky_clarkson | Yes. |
| 18:47.43 | tyia | aw, java was just an example, a bad one actually |
| 18:47.43 | baikonur | hi |
| 18:47.43 | stew | util? |
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| 18:47.55 | TheBeast | can somebody please help me with a gtk-2.0 theme switch bin ? I can't get it compiled here, and I know that debian offers a .deb for it |
| 18:48.01 | stew | ricky_clarkson: did you mean java.io? why useless? |
| 18:48.07 | ricky_clarkson | Yes, java.io. |
| 18:48.16 | ricky_clarkson | They do char->binary and binary->char but with a completely undefined and unchangable character set. |
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| 18:48.16 | tarzeau | dpkg tell TheBeast about ask |
| 18:48.18 | tyia | TheBeast: packages.debian.org |
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| 18:48.28 | stew | ricky_clarkson: oh yeah, that sucks, forgot about that |
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| 18:48.39 | TheBeast | dudes, I'm not using debian |
| 18:48.46 | ricky_clarkson | TheBeast: dude, leave. |
| 18:48.50 | tarzeau | TheBeast: #gentoo |
| 18:48.54 | chugga | ok, to answer my own question. it seems pretty amazing that this thing hasnt falled apart despite running all those crazy things :S |
| 18:48.55 | tyia | TheBeast: packages.debian.org |
| 18:48.58 | TheBeast | ok |
| 18:49.20 | stew | !forget bughunt |
| 18:49.20 | dpkg | i forgot bughunt, stew |
| 18:49.27 | stew | that factoid was never going to help anyone |
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| 18:49.33 | ricky_clarkson | TheBeast: We can't know how to port a .deb to your system. It seems a crazy thing to do anyway. See 'alien'. |
| 18:49.34 | tyia | :) |
| 18:49.37 | ricky_clarkson | Woohoo, what a message. |
| 18:49.50 | asg | stew: it would have been amusing if you'd put 'see also, Aliens' |
| 18:50.31 | tyia | anyway, back to testing security: the security updates drip to testing eventually... |
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| 18:50.46 | baikonur | does the GUI of a program licensed under the GPL is also subject to the terms of the GPL or does the GPL only applies for the source code? I ask because I want to find out if a screenshot of free program is also automatically free |
| 18:50.46 | tyia | from unstable |
| 18:50.50 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Be careful with forget, dpkg tends to start ignoring you if you actually use it. |
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| 18:51.01 | PerfDave | tyia: unstable doesn't get security updates |
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| 18:51.16 | asg | baikonur: selling screenshots is not likely to make good business sense. |
| 18:51.26 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Haha. |
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| 18:51.56 | tyia | the question is, how long is this 'eventually' |
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| 18:52.01 | chugga | debian rocks. |
| 18:52.08 | gino | but it is possible that some packages need much time to go into testing. |
| 18:52.09 | stew | tyia: minimum 2 weeks for a package to get from unstable to testing |
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| 18:52.18 | Pendragon | I need quick help in cvs |
| 18:52.20 | Pendragon | w/cvs |
| 18:52.23 | asg | Pendragon: cvs help |
| 18:52.27 | Pendragon | I am trying to add a o ok |
| 18:52.38 | gino | not for all packages two weeks. i think. |
| 18:52.42 | greycat | stew: uh, no, minimum is 2 days. |
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| 18:52.58 | baikonur | asg: I want to find out the legally aspect of a screenshot of free program, what has it to do with selling of screenshots? |
| 18:53.03 | greycat | maximum delay-for-the-sake-of-delay is 10 days. |
| 18:53.08 | sepski | security related is faster yes? |
| 18:53.11 | stew | oh |
| 18:53.12 | stew | hmm |
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| 18:53.22 | asg | baikonur: it was a joke ffs, ask the debian-legal mailing list or contact the FSF. |
| 18:53.25 | greycat | sepski: it's by the "Priority". high priority is 2 days. |
| 18:53.55 | tarzeau | apple hurts people who distribute themes that look like their actual desktop, right? |
| 18:53.57 | gino | so 2 days is faster then most exlploits |
| 18:54.01 | greycat | baikonur: try the debian-legal mailing list |
| 18:54.12 | asg | baikonur: the fact that such a question is even necessary indicates how utterly fucked the world is today. |
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| 18:54.55 | gino | but if some one tracks the security news he can write an exploit and search for debian sarge servers on the net. |
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| 18:55.07 | asg | gino: yes |
| 18:55.11 | PerfDave | gino: "2 days is faster than most exploits"? |
| 18:55.13 | tyia | I rember that the ssh hole remained in testing for quite a long time |
| 18:55.29 | gino | :0 |
| 18:55.46 | chugga | bless. |
| 18:55.49 | asg | gino: however, they are likely to find better targets like people who run stable but never update, people who run windows, etc. |
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| 18:56.17 | tyia | long after the exploit was published |
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| 18:56.33 | baikonur | asg: can you explain your statement? to what do you want to allude? |
| 18:56.41 | gino | yes, because if somebody realy wants to hack a system i could find a hole if he has the motivation and skills. |
| 18:56.46 | stew | greycat: do you know where the testing migration scripts are documented? is there a factoid? |
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| 18:56.49 | Delph | tyia: you're using testing / unstable -> if you cared, you would have patched it yourself. |
| 18:57.00 | chugga | was security/ updated back in 2004? |
| 18:57.02 | uruboro | if my ISP DNS server is slow, would installing dnsmasq help with frequently accessed IPs? does it play well with the DHCP server i use for my internal net? |
| 18:57.02 | asg | baikonur: which one, the one about the world being fucked up or the joke I made earler? |
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| 18:57.10 | chugga | (in apt-get repositories) |
| 18:57.11 | baikonur | asg: the world |
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| 18:57.25 | Delph | uruboro: it can do dhcp itself. |
| 18:57.29 | tyia | Delph: that's what we have package maintainers for |
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| 18:57.52 | asg | baikonur: "I took a picture of a ball of snot that just show out of my friends nose. Does he have copyright over it? Will he sue me if I sell it on EBay?" -- Fucked up. |
| 18:57.56 | uruboro | oh ok so i just need to migrate the conf to that one, delph. thanks |
| 18:58.00 | asg | s/show out/shot out/ |
| 18:58.04 | gino | i use testing because the users on the webserver forced me. |
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| 18:58.42 | gino | i use testing because on mal-relays the spamassasin packages and the amavis and clamav packages are outdated. |
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| 18:59.39 | baikonur | asg: I would say no ;-) |
| 18:59.45 | gino | but i love the stable server i administer because its sooo easy to keep the working and secure. |
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| 18:59.59 | baikonur | asg: but IANAL |
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| 19:01.10 | bizkit | gino: so why doen't you use backports for specific packages? |
| 19:01.18 | bizkit | -e |
| 19:02.49 | gino | i thought that testing is more stable then backports. |
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| 19:03.10 | paddyez | hi |
| 19:03.20 | Ghostbuster | hello |
| 19:03.33 | jstevens | Geuten Tag |
| 19:03.39 | Elmarco07 | salut |
| 19:03.41 | takatumi | gino: it probably depends on what you have backported. |
| 19:03.42 | ricky_clarkson | Is zat French German? |
| 19:03.47 | paddyez | legal quastion concerning screenshots and Gnu FDL |
| 19:03.51 | jstevens | German :-) |
| 19:03.54 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
| 19:03.57 | paddyez | what would you say? |
| 19:03.58 | ricky_clarkson | Guten Tag, mein Herr. |
| 19:04.09 | ricky_clarkson | paddyez: debian-legal mailing list. |
| 19:04.10 | asg | baikonur: I blame the Sophists myself but no matter, ask the debian-legal mailing list |
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| 19:04.45 | Prouty | http://www.idpz.net/team_concept/ |
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| 19:04.51 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I've never frenched a German before. |
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| 19:05.06 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I've been close, but no schighar. |
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| 19:05.45 | asg | greycat: how about a floridian that previously drank a bottle of Becks? |
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| 19:06.37 | TheMoebius | I'm trying to install via minimal livecd and I want to use apt by http or ftp. I think debian is trying to install the wrong network drivers for my card because it couldn't detect dhcp, but it's definately plugged in |
| 19:06.53 | santos | Hi!!!! |
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| 19:07.14 | asg | TheMoebius: ALT+F2, <ENTER>, and modprobe the right network driver |
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| 19:07.39 | paddyez | ricky_clarkson: thanx |
| 19:07.41 | scytheman | some ION users there? i want to deactivate the font-aliasing, but i can't find anything about it in the manpage or on the website |
| 19:07.43 | jstevens | TheMoebius: wh/ chipset for the nic? |
| 19:08.01 | HobNob | hmm what is the best way of splitting up a bunch of files and subdirs contained in a main directory, into suitable 650mb sizes, that windows will decompress one after the other i.e. like rar archives, you start with the main one and it will then read in the second rar , and 3rd and so on and then you'll end up with all the files there? I attempted tar -L 665600 -Mcf but i'm not so convinced |
| 19:08.26 | chugga | whats the difference between an upgrade and a dist-upgrade in apt-get? |
| 19:08.31 | greycat | man apt-get |
| 19:08.31 | HobNob | i ended up regardless with one big .tar file |
| 19:08.40 | chugga | greycat, k |
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| 19:08.48 | TheMoebius | asg, I tried manually asigning IP address and installed with that, so now I'm in the config screen and I went into a shell. Problem is, I'm not sure what driver to modprobe. The guy who's computer it is thinks the card is a linksys eitherfast |
| 19:08.51 | chugga | i figured it out :) |
| 19:08.58 | stew | HobNob: pipe tar into split |
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| 19:09.24 | asg | TheMoebius: use lspci to find the card chipset, google for what driver it is supposed to use. |
| 19:09.27 | doub | hi there |
| 19:09.27 | greycat | TheMoebius: woody? well... try tulip. |
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| 19:09.46 | HobNob | stew, do you have an example? and when it splits, will it actually cause each .tar archive to be subsequently read and decompressed from its predecessor, i dont want to have half a file in one archive, and the other half in another etc |
| 19:09.47 | TheMoebius | greycat, sarge |
| 19:09.57 | greycat | in sarge, you should not have to modprobe NIC drivers |
| 19:09.59 | TheMoebius | I'll tulip |
| 19:10.04 | TheMoebius | hmm |
| 19:10.04 | greycat | discover should've picked it up already |
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| 19:10.20 | TheMoebius | couldn't find a device for tulip |
| 19:10.40 | takatumi | if it's something new, try linux26 |
| 19:10.40 | greycat | HobNob: split is blind to the contents. it simply divides on byte/line boundaries. |
| 19:10.40 | TheMoebius | greycat, yeah it installed something, but I think its the wrong one seeing as how nothing works |
| 19:10.59 | stew | HobNob: i don't have an example, its quite simple, to reassemble them you would use cat |
| 19:11.00 | greycat | lspci and google, then. |
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| 19:11.37 | HobNob | ok |
| 19:11.39 | jstevens | TheMoebius: is this one of the WOL nics? |
| 19:11.51 | TheMoebius | greycat it thinks it's an intel eithernet pro 100 but I think it's a linksys etherfast |
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| 19:12.24 | TheMoebius | jstevens wake on LAN? I dunno |
| 19:12.26 | FieldySnuts | how about, you know... looking at the card? |
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| 19:14.06 | AP03 | how can i get the gltext screenssaver? xscreensaver says its not installed. |
| 19:14.19 | edsuom | I can't seem to find python2.3-profiler anywhere |
| 19:14.22 | ricky_clarkson | AP03: apt-get install xscreensaver-<tab><tab> |
| 19:14.25 | marc_gerges | good evening |
| 19:14.36 | greycat | TheMoebius: I'd trust lspci more than I trust you. Sorry. ;-) |
| 19:14.42 | marc_gerges | it's been a while since I did this and somehow I must be missing something: |
| 19:14.50 | marc_gerges | I do 'adduser username' |
| 19:14.59 | marc_gerges | fill in all the asked stuff, give a password |
| 19:15.02 | AP03 | ricky_clarkson: ?? |
| 19:15.07 | ricky_clarkson | AP03: ??? |
| 19:15.13 | jstevens | TheMoebius: reason wny I ask is that the last time I gried a Linksys card w/ WOL it didnt' work, unfortuantely I gave up on it and put in a realtec nic instead of hunting it down, so I can't give much input on that |
| 19:15.19 | AP03 | ricky_clarkson: that doesnt work |
| 19:15.19 | marc_gerges | when I ssh username@localhost with my new password, it won't let me in |
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| 19:15.43 | marc_gerges | it tells me 'failed password' in auth.log |
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| 19:15.53 | marc_gerges | what am I missing? |
| 19:16.17 | ricky_clarkson | AP03: source /etc/bash_completion; try again. |
| 19:16.31 | drac | ricky_clarkson: using <tab> in apt-get install something? how is that possible? |
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| 19:16.42 | asg | drac: bash_completion, using zsh, etc. |
| 19:16.44 | ricky_clarkson | drac: source /etc/bash_completion; fuck off |
| 19:17.04 | TheMoebius | ok, apparently my friend was wrong and it is indeed an intel pro/100. That's what it detected, but it wasn't able to get DHCP and it wasn't able to do anything when I assigned an IP manually. Any ideas? |
| 19:17.06 | drac | i'm using zsh, and would be cool to have that feature. no need to be rude. |
| 19:17.14 | ricky_clarkson | Sorry, fuck off is my private alias for 'exit'. |
| 19:17.16 | Shazaum | yes |
| 19:17.19 | Shazaum | ops |
| 19:17.26 | asg | TheMoebius: is the cable plugged in? do you have link lights? |
| 19:18.11 | jstevens | ricky_clarkson: interesting alias... |
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| 19:19.22 | ricky_clarkson | jstevens: I can't get it to work. fuck_off works though. |
| 19:19.35 | AP03 | ricky_clarkson: lol liar |
| 19:19.44 | jstevens | ricky_clarkson: probably because of the space.... :-) |
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| 19:19.51 | ricky_clarkson | Aye. |
| 19:20.10 | zAo^ | how can I change the timestamp on some files? Thanks in advance. |
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| 19:20.27 | asg | zAo^: man touch |
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| 19:20.41 | RichiH | asg: bleh, i wanted to say that |
| 19:20.56 | vkd | anyone know how to change the mouse pointer when you drag things? I get this ugly big document page icon, where is that defined? |
| 19:21.04 | asg | RichiH: 'salright, ricky_clarkson already thought I was getting fresh with chugga earlier for saying 'man nice' |
| 19:21.27 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Care to discuss #ant? |
| 19:21.35 | RichiH | #ant? |
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| 19:21.38 | RichiH | refresh my memory |
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| 19:21.50 | asg | RichiH: /topic #ant |
| 19:22.10 | RichiH | ah, yes |
| 19:22.20 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: They're sitting on a channel with the same name as an OSS project and occasionally kicking people and stuff. They probably only need a friendly word from a staffer, dunno. |
| 19:22.22 | RichiH | so, what is the channel about? |
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| 19:24.26 | RichiH | asg, ricky_clarkson? |
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| 19:25.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: iNsane is an onjoin porn spammer |
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| 19:28.54 | SlayerXP | danke |
| 19:28.54 | TML | *blink* |
| 19:28.54 | TML | That was fast, helix. :) |
| 19:28.54 | asg | RichiH: dunno, I just checked the topic ;) |
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| 19:28.56 | asg | TML: helix is teh quick |
| 19:28.56 | RichiH | SlayerXP, helix thanks |
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| 19:28.56 | helix | w0rd |
| 19:28.56 | SlayerXP | i like it that helix didn't even question me |
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| 19:28.56 | SlayerXP | i like trust |
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| 19:28.57 | takatumi | helix: unban, he lied. :P |
| 19:28.57 | SlayerXP | helix: have I told you just how witty, intelligent, charming and beautiful I find you, recently? |
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| 19:28.57 | refried | any know which deb includes Sort::Tree? |
| 19:28.57 | TML | refried: packages.d.o probably does |
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| 19:30.25 | chugga | does usb work out of the box with debian? |
| 19:30.36 | SlayerXP | chugga: what colour is the box? |
| 19:30.37 | jstevens | chugga: on Sarge it did |
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| 19:30.51 | AP03 | does anyone know what the default xlogon manager is with deb? |
| 19:30.59 | chugga | SlayerXP, um, lets say testing - thats sarge right? |
| 19:30.59 | helix | SlayerXP: no, you haven't |
| 19:31.08 | asg | AP03: startx after you login to your user account? |
| 19:31.10 | zappy | chugga: it depends on what you call work, and wich type of usb you think of ;) |
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| 19:31.42 | chugga | zappy, ok. i guess i should just ask what im wondering. is the hardware support (detection configuring) as good as in knoppix? |
| 19:31.43 | AP03 | asg: well when i boot my machine i am prompted by a fairly generic logon for user/pass then puts me into my window manager |
| 19:31.49 | refried | p.d.o isn't helping |
| 19:31.50 | asg | AP03: that's xdm |
| 19:32.03 | asg | AP03: /msg dpkg nodm (or install another one (gdm,kdm,wdm)) |
| 19:32.14 | chugga | zappy, so if the usb stuff works in knop - should it work in deb? |
| 19:32.17 | AP03 | asg: which is the one that asks username/pass and also window manager? |
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| 19:32.53 | jstevens | apo3: sounds like gdm to me |
| 19:32.54 | asg | AP03: no *dm is alsa a window manager. Gnome DE has GDM, KDE DE has kdm |
| 19:32.57 | Flimzy | chugga: When I last installed Debian on this machine on my (at the time) new 120gb HD, I had my old 17gb HD in an external USB enclosure. The install detected the USB HD, and installed LILO with an option to boot Windows on the old USB HD (which obviously didn't work, b/c LILO doesn't understand USB...) But the point is, Debian detected it without any problem. |
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| 19:33.04 | asg | s/alsa/also/ |
| 19:33.09 | Flimzy | chugga: does that mean it will detect *your* USB hardware easily? Who knows? |
| 19:33.17 | zappy | chugga: not sure... the default config for debian distribution kernels is lighter than that of knoppix i think. |
| 19:33.24 | xero | hello all |
| 19:33.44 | asg | refried: if you debian doesn't have that perl module, use dh-make-perl to create a package for it. |
| 19:33.47 | asg | s/you/your/ |
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| 19:34.14 | chugga | hmm. yeah. i dont know. im thinking of installing sarge but i dunno if its a)worth the trouble making the space, backing stuff etc b)will it support my hardware out of the box |
| 19:34.22 | chugga | knoppix does though. |
| 19:34.42 | resiak | chugga: FFS. Just TRY IT. |
| 19:35.06 | resiak | chugga: It will probably support everything. wlan is the only thing with which people routinely have problems. |
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| 19:35.35 | zappy | chugga: if it works with knoppix, it will work with your sarge. I think it's worth the partition resizing ;) |
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| 19:35.48 | chugga | resiak, oh. i have wlan. i used some knoppix scripts had it working in less than 30 seconds flat. |
| 19:36.02 | resiak | chugga: Shut up about Knoppix. What card is it? |
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| 19:36.11 | chugga | resiak, dlink |
| 19:36.15 | chugga | using ndiswrapper |
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| 19:36.52 | harryvv | is there a debian version of chkconfig that can be downloaded? |
| 19:37.00 | resiak | chugga: Building ndiswrapper (which you'll have to do) is non-trivial, but essentially easy. |
| 19:37.07 | resiak | harryvv: What does chkconfig do?! |
| 19:37.16 | zappy | Invisible: we can see you. your nick doesn't work ;) |
| 19:37.18 | resiak | harryvv: I asked you that the other day, and you didn't answer. |
| 19:37.46 | harryvv | res, its a redhat file. Res, I probebly had to head off to work sorry. |
| 19:38.04 | chugga | resiak, hmm. cant i back up my current configuration - or by build do you mean compile? |
| 19:38.15 | resiak | chugga: Yes, I mean compile. |
| 19:38.19 | chugga | ok |
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| 19:38.43 | andax | i need to share a partition between 2 hosts (both with a 100mbit connection). which method gives the fastest transfer rates? (NFS/samba/shfs..other?) |
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| 19:39.07 | uruboro | andax ftp ;) |
| 19:39.12 | resiak | harryvv: Please don't abbreviate nicks. It means that what you're saying isn't highlighted, so I might not see it. What does it _do_? |
| 19:39.15 | andax | ftp is not an option |
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| 19:40.00 | uruboro | andax i know, unfortunately a shared volume is different. anyway it's the fastest imho :) |
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| 19:40.13 | resiak | andax: Try them. |
| 19:40.32 | chugga | resiak, can i use a deb for ndiswrapper that kno.. i mean the other distro that works, uses? |
| 19:40.49 | andax | i tried samba 600K/sec shfs 1200k/sec ... does it worth trying nfs? :) |
| 19:40.50 | resiak | chugga: That sentence made _no_ sense. |
| 19:41.01 | andax | i need at least 5000k/sec or so |
| 19:41.03 | refried | asg: that's a great util, thanks for the hint |
| 19:41.05 | chugga | # ndiswrapper |
| 19:41.05 | resiak | chugga: You get a source package, build it, install your firmware, you're done. |
| 19:41.05 | chugga | # deb http://rigtorp.se/debian unstable/ |
| 19:41.14 | asg | refried: you're welcome |
| 19:41.15 | resiak | chugga: I can't help you with unofficial sources. |
| 19:41.19 | chugga | resiak, oh |
| 19:41.36 | chugga | i suppose i could try it. as a learning experience and all that. hmm |
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| 19:41.49 | AP03 | how to switch display mgr from xdm? |
| 19:41.59 | resiak | andax: e |
| 19:42.03 | PerfDave | AP03: Install another one |
| 19:42.03 | resiak | andax: Sorry. |
| 19:42.29 | AP03 | PerfDave: i have gdm installed, how to switch to it? |
| 19:42.35 | andax | resiak: should nfs generally perform better than samba/shfs? |
| 19:42.35 | PerfDave | AP03: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 19:42.36 | uruboro | ap03 dpkg-reconfigure gdm does not ask for a list of dm from which to choose from? |
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| 19:43.44 | resiak | AP03: Just remove xdm... |
| 19:43.52 | resiak | andax: I have absolutely NFI. |
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| 19:44.00 | andax | :) |
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| 19:44.40 | AP03 | PerfDave, uruboro resiak : thanks! |
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| 19:46.49 | gourdin | hi there |
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| 19:47.12 | gourdin | anyone knows if there is some kde 3.4 beta2 debian binarys ? |
| 19:47.33 | PerfDave | gourdin: Google? apt-get.org? kde.org? |
| 19:47.36 | asg | gourdin: #debian-kde |
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| 19:48.22 | gourdin | thx |
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| 19:49.42 | feder79_argentin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:50.44 | ^m0se5 | feder79_argentin, execute php scripts or edit them? |
| 19:50.47 | asg | feder79_argentin: open them locally on your filesystem using file:///foo/bar/my.php, or on some other server http://foo/bar/their.php ? |
| 19:51.56 | feder79_argentin | i need execute php scripts |
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| 19:52.09 | RichiH | feder79_argentin: then do so |
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| 19:52.45 | RichiH | feder79_argentin: php is executed by a web server, not by a browser like mozilla |
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| 19:53.09 | feder79_argentin | asg : i need to open locally on my filesystem... I a configuring ACIDLAB for NID: |
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| 19:53.39 | asg | feder79_argentin: then install apache and libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 19:53.58 | humbolt | concerning dns: If I wanna setup a dns1 dns2 for my domain, do I need to have PTR records? |
| 19:54.26 | asg | humbolt: did you ask #dns? |
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| 19:54.55 | feder79_argentin | asg : I had it installed.. |
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| 19:55.33 | asg | feder79_argentin: then a) read the package documentation to make sure it is enabled in apache's config, b) make sure acid's php files are in a place that apache can find them. |
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| 19:58.31 | tarzeau | bob2: do you know v/line ? |
| 19:58.47 | TheMoebius | how do I get apt-get to install all the recommended packages as well as required? |
| 19:58.48 | feder79_argentin | asg: I need to open /file:///usr/share/acidlab/acid_main.php |
| 19:58.51 | humbolt | If I wanna setup a dns1 dns2 for my domain, do I need to have PTR records? or can I leave that with my provider who houses the machines.concerning dns: If I wanna setup a dns1 dns2 for my domain, do I need to have PTR records? |
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| 20:00.03 | born2late | hi. is there a schedule when code freeze will begin ? just askin to know how much time i got |
| 20:00.08 | asg | feder79_argentin: you can't unless you have a php enabled webserver to handle it for you. |
| 20:00.16 | tarzeau | born2late: you have got time |
| 20:00.44 | tarzeau | humbolt: what's your domain called? |
| 20:00.50 | born2late | tarzeau: so at least 3 months ? |
| 20:01.11 | tarzeau | humbolt: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
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| 20:01.27 | RolandU | hi all! my CUPS stopped working properly today. I tried printing from firefox and then all sorts of problems started. First it continued printing the CUPS-Version-Number again and again and now I reinstalled the whole thing. Usually it won't print at all using the hpijs driver, other drivers result in printing empty pages again and again. |
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| 20:01.46 | asg | RolandU: what debian version are you using? |
| 20:01.50 | tarzeau | born2late: does it say "debian release manager" on my forehead? |
| 20:01.58 | possie | should "mt -f /dev/tape tell" always work or is it tapedrive dependend? cause i'm getting mt: /dev/tape: Input /output error |
| 20:02.00 | RolandU | asg: Sarge |
| 20:02.05 | tarzeau | born2late: follow the mailinglists, and you get your estimate (do your math) |
| 20:02.09 | asg | RolandU: have you updated recently? |
| 20:02.15 | RolandU | asg: yes |
| 20:02.17 | tyia | have a grub problem: GRUB _ is the only thing I see, the grub shell doesnt start up |
| 20:02.25 | asg | RolandU: then check the bts and see if that issue is listed |
| 20:02.27 | tyia | nor a menu |
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| 20:02.35 | tarzeau | tyia: time for fixing it. got a cd? floppy? netboot? |
| 20:02.39 | RolandU | mhh |
| 20:03.38 | tyia | got another hd |
| 20:04.00 | tarzeau | tyia: can it boot? |
| 20:04.08 | tyia | tarzeau: yup |
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| 20:04.20 | tarzeau | tyia: i'd boot that, and then use chroot/grub-install to fix the other |
| 20:04.26 | RolandU | is debian .org down or just bloody slow today |
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| 20:04.43 | tarzeau | RolandU: looks like a problem, yeah |
| 20:04.53 | tarzeau | RolandU: what about using a mirror? |
| 20:05.19 | RolandU | I don't know any mirrors |
| 20:05.34 | tarzeau | RolandU: add a fr. de. before debian.org |
| 20:05.37 | tarzeau | or nl. |
| 20:05.45 | RolandU | It seems to be speeding up again.... |
| 20:05.51 | edsuom | How do I use a tarball instead of a package (for python) and keep dependencies happy in apt? |
| 20:05.51 | tyia | tarzeau: the drive is mostly empty, so I would need to copy all the grub-install libraries over... is there a nice and clean way to install grub into the secondary disks MBR? |
| 20:06.17 | tarzeau | tyia: yes either mount/chroot or or just mount and use grub-install w/ right parameters |
| 20:06.26 | tarzeau | tyia: and then copy /boot/grub stuff over |
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| 20:06.40 | tarzeau | edsuom: create a debian package of your tarball |
| 20:06.40 | asg | edsuom: equivs (have fun) |
| 20:06.43 | tyia | tarzeau: isn't the device.map problem? |
| 20:06.49 | tyia | tarzeau: isn't the device.map a problem? |
| 20:07.12 | tyia | tarzeau: I mean, hdb will be hda later |
| 20:07.12 | RolandU | asg: no such bug in cups or lpr |
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| 20:07.27 | tarzeau | tyia: no |
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| 20:08.03 | asg | RolandU: well, if your latest upgrade updated some cups library or cups related thing, get the previous version from snapshot.debian.net, install it, and if the symptom goes away, file a bug. |
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| 20:09.09 | tyia | tarzeau: so 1) grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/hdb 2) grub /dev/hdb 3) root (hd1,0) setup (hd1) -- should to the trick, right? |
| 20:09.25 | tarzeau | tyia: guess so |
| 20:09.25 | jasz | so I need a tool that will allow me and some of my buddies to add/edit documents preferrably online..is a wiki the tool for this purpose? |
| 20:09.38 | tarzeau | jasz: yes |
| 20:09.52 | tarzeau | jasz: try "moin" for example |
| 20:10.15 | jasz | tarzeau, ... thank you :P .. how about phpwiki? (i already have debian/postgresql/apache running on the machine) |
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| 20:10.23 | tarzeau | jasz: i don't like php |
| 20:10.58 | stone_ | what is the latest kernel |
| 20:11.01 | jasz | tarzeau, .. not like i'm gonna get my hands dirty recoding it :P |
| 20:11.18 | tarzeau | stone_: linux? gnu mach? kfreebsd? |
| 20:11.18 | asg | stone_: in debian or in general? |
| 20:11.24 | hid3 | Does anyone know it it is possible to display negative values in mrtg graphs? (I need to monitor the outside temperature) |
| 20:11.24 | stone_ | debian |
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| 20:11.27 | tarzeau | on which arch? |
| 20:11.32 | tarzeau | in what repo? |
| 20:11.36 | stone_ | i686 |
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| 20:11.45 | helix | hmm |
| 20:11.47 | tarzeau | stone_: packages.debian.org |
| 20:11.47 | asg | stone_: stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 20:11.53 | stone_ | stable |
| 20:11.59 | asg | stone_: 2.2.20 and 2.4.18 |
| 20:12.00 | tarzeau | hid3: no |
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| 20:12.05 | tarzeau | hid3: use rrdtool |
| 20:12.10 | helix | aha |
| 20:12.14 | hid3 | Thanks |
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| 20:12.28 | asg | helix: nice catch |
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| 20:12.40 | jasz | tarzeau, besides the fact that you dont like php.. what makes moin better than phpwiki? |
| 20:12.43 | stone_ | 2.4.27 :S? |
| 20:12.51 | helix | ugh, moin |
| 20:12.56 | tarzeau | jasz: since i don't know phpwiki, i can't tell |
| 20:13.02 | asg | stone_: no, but you can download the source from kernel.org and compile it yourself if you wish. |
| 20:13.11 | jasz | helix, .. what's that "ugh" about? |
| 20:13.19 | tarzeau | helix: what's better? mediawiki? |
| 20:13.20 | helix | jasz: it's painful to set up |
| 20:13.21 | stone_ | i think i ugraded it , gnome 2 didn t work on 2.2 kenel , |
| 20:13.34 | helix | tarzeau: I don't know, the only "easy to use" wiki i've used is pmwiki, but it's php |
| 20:13.38 | stone_ | and need to add kenel path to my grub |
| 20:13.41 | helix | twiki is satanic |
| 20:13.46 | jstevens | jasz: I thought you asked "what makes motrin better than phpwiki |
| 20:13.55 | jasz | motrin.. haha... |
| 20:13.58 | tarzeau | helix: yeah twiki is b0rk! but i found moin veeery easy |
| 20:14.03 | asg | jstevens: I don't think phpwiki gives you period pains |
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| 20:14.14 | jstevens | asg: LOL |
| 20:14.19 | tarzeau | helix: to install , administer (friendly people in #moin too) AND to edit! (some wiki are a nightmare to edit) |
| 20:14.23 | asg | jstevens: then again, it might |
| 20:14.26 | jstevens | asg: or hepls them |
| 20:14.28 | helix | tarzeau: yeah |
| 20:14.31 | Glitch_Master | Firefox is returning this error when I run it: "Cannot find mozilla runtime directory. Exiting." |
| 20:14.34 | helix | tarzeau: I haven't tried to use moin in a while |
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| 20:14.37 | archpollux | hi |
| 20:14.39 | helix | I just remember hating it |
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| 20:14.54 | helix | mediawiki looks nice, I'm not sure how easy it is to setup though |
| 20:14.54 | tarzeau | Glitch_Master: dpkg -l mozilla-firefox ? |
| 20:14.56 | archpollux | where can i learn more about the debconf system? |
| 20:15.01 | asg | helix: you could relive the joy by editing the #debian channel faq :) |
| 20:15.06 | helix | heh |
| 20:15.09 | tarzeau | archpollux: www.debian.org/devel |
| 20:15.12 | helix | I think I'll pass.. |
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| 20:15.27 | helix | I setup a wiki since I'm going out of town and making lists on it helps my pre-travel anxiety |
| 20:15.30 | noid2 | anyone: i accidentally deleted perl in /usr/share how do i go about reinstalling ? |
| 20:15.31 | Glitch_Master | tarzeau: "No packages found matching mozilla-firefox." |
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| 20:15.38 | jasz | hmm |
| 20:15.44 | tarzeau | Glitch_Master: where did you get your firefox from? |
| 20:15.48 | niktaris | any info about not being able to burn cd's with k3b as a user? |
| 20:15.58 | asg | helix: you globetrotting? |
| 20:16.06 | helix | asg: going to NYC for a little while |
| 20:16.15 | helix | but I'm globetrotting later in the year |
| 20:16.15 | asg | helix: ah |
| 20:16.18 | Glitch_Master | tarzeau: I downloaded the files from thie site. I now realize that there was actually a package for it... |
| 20:16.28 | Glitch_Master | I'm installing the package. That should fix things. |
| 20:16.34 | tarzeau | Glitch_Master: i guess so |
| 20:16.46 | tarzeau | Glitch_Master: remember if it's not in debian. make it in debian, and then install it from debian |
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| 20:17.09 | Glitch_Master | tarzeau: The odd thing is, it was running before... |
| 20:17.11 | asg | noid2: ouch |
| 20:17.12 | Enkahel | hi |
| 20:17.21 | Glitch_Master | With the way I had installed it... |
| 20:17.33 | jasz | first off.. who the hell came up with the word "wiki" ? that's just weird.. |
| 20:17.43 | asg | noid2: if you have apt-file installed. 'apt-file search /usr/share/perl'. Grep out the cruft to match the packages you have installed. Reinstall those packages. |
| 20:17.44 | FieldySnuts | pry some damn euros |
| 20:17.45 | noid2 | asg: i know |
| 20:18.02 | Glitch_Master | There we go. Firefox is now working. |
| 20:18.17 | noid2 | asg: well actually its the whole /usr/share is gone |
| 20:18.25 | asg | noid2: oh dear |
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| 20:18.38 | noid2 | asg: is there anything i can do ? |
| 20:18.41 | asg | noid2: I don't suppose you have backups? |
| 20:18.43 | thoreauputic | jasz: it's Hawaiian, I believe |
| 20:18.49 | noid2 | asg: ofcourse not |
| 20:18.55 | jstevens | noid2: copy it from another box :-) |
| 20:18.56 | jasz | thoreauputic, .. well that explains it.. |
| 20:19.01 | thoreauputic | wiki wiki means "quickly" or something |
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| 20:19.30 | asg | noid2: well, you could backup all your volatile data and reinstall, start reinstalling packages that you have installed that put something in /usr/share (which will be all due to /usr/share/doc) |
| 20:19.31 | helix | is mediawiki based on plone? |
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| 20:19.45 | asg | helix: I don't think so |
| 20:19.48 | m00p | any iptables & BT wizards here? |
| 20:19.49 | tarzeau | helix: no idea, but there's mediawiki.gnustep.org :) |
| 20:20.04 | jstevens | phorce1: I was thinking very similar |
| 20:20.32 | asg | helix: it appears to be php based |
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| 20:20.36 | helix | ah |
| 20:20.41 | helix | I thought it had something to do with python |
| 20:20.50 | asg | helix: moin is written in python |
| 20:21.00 | helix | yeah |
| 20:21.02 | noid2 | asg: and by reinstall you mean apt-get --reinstall install package |
| 20:21.27 | asg | noid2: yep (though it might be tough since apt-get is perl heavy and /usr/share/perl/* doesn't exist anymore.) |
| 20:21.29 | helix | kwiki - A Quickie Wiki that's not too Tricky |
| 20:21.29 | stew | helix: what's brining you to nyc? |
| 20:21.33 | helix | someone needs to die |
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| 20:21.39 | helix | stew: I go to nyc for my birthday every year. |
| 20:21.40 | asg | helix: yes |
| 20:21.44 | stew | awesome |
| 20:21.47 | helix | stew: are you on the debian-nyc-soc mailing list? |
| 20:21.55 | stew | no? never knew about it |
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| 20:22.06 | asg | noid2: I'd start by trying to get all the perl related and required / base packages installed before worrying about the rest. |
| 20:22.06 | helix | ah, lists.yukidoke.org or something |
| 20:22.07 | tyia | tarzeau: so 1) grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/hdb 2) grub /dev/hdb 3) root (hd1,0) setup (hd1) -- DOES NOT DO THE TRICK. I get the same GRUB _ prompt and apparently the box hangs (numled won't light) |
| 20:22.08 | nvz | yeah I thought the same thing when I first saw that package description |
| 20:22.11 | m00p | any iptables & BitTorrent gurus here? |
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| 20:22.28 | helix | stew: anyway, we'll probably have a debian gathering at some point (the whole trip is sort of a casual debian gathering anyway) |
| 20:22.33 | helix | stew: if we do, it'll be announced there.. |
| 20:22.35 | ixi-deb05 | Hi. Is it somehow possible to collect traffic information by user id at the localhost? |
| 20:22.37 | tarzeau | tyia: you boot into hda? and you want to fix hdb? |
| 20:22.45 | abrotman | helix: this weekend? |
| 20:22.49 | tyia | tarzeau: quite |
| 20:22.52 | stew | i'm subscribed now |
| 20:22.52 | asg | helix: that's almost worth driving up for, I need to visit a friend in NJ anyway. |
| 20:22.55 | tarzeau | tyia: yes or no |
| 20:22.56 | helix | abrotman: well, this weekend and/or next weekend |
| 20:22.59 | tyia | tarzeau: yes |
| 20:23.05 | helix | I'm not sure, some of the visitors overlap |
| 20:23.11 | helix | I'm there both weekends though |
| 20:23.15 | helix | probably next weekend.. |
| 20:23.16 | abrotman | helix: oh .. you're going all week? |
| 20:23.19 | tarzeau | tyia: do you have /boot/grub on hdb ? |
| 20:23.22 | helix | I'm there 18-28 |
| 20:23.31 | abrotman | helix: you could have gone to LWE and made a NE tour :) |
| 20:23.33 | tyia | tarzeau: grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/hdb |
| 20:23.42 | helix | abrotman: I need to save days for europe this summer |
| 20:23.42 | tyia | tarzeau: /mnt is /dev/hdb1 |
| 20:23.48 | tarzeau | tyia: yes just do that. does it then not boot from it? |
| 20:23.53 | abrotman | helix: you must be a restless person :) |
| 20:23.54 | tyia | tarzeau: nope |
| 20:23.58 | tarzeau | tyia: you remove hda, and make hdb be hda right? |
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| 20:24.05 | helix | abrotman: I'm going to france, I think, and finland :) |
| 20:24.05 | tyia | tarzeau: right |
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| 20:24.18 | Enkahel | bye |
| 20:24.18 | tarzeau | tyia: that's bad. how did it break? has the disk issues? dmesg? |
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| 20:24.21 | abrotman | helix: for fun .. or debian ? |
| 20:24.23 | streuner | helix: try Paris, very nice. |
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| 20:24.30 | asg | helix: I might be going to Vancouver for a plone / zope thing |
| 20:24.32 | tyia | tarzeau: everything nice'n'clean |
| 20:24.37 | helix | streuner: I'll probably be in dijon, not sure how close that is to paris.. |
| 20:24.41 | helix | abrotman: fun and debian |
| 20:24.41 | tyia | tarzeau: it was an empty disk |
| 20:24.45 | helix | they are interrelated :) |
| 20:25.02 | tarzeau | tyia: sorry, no idea really |
| 20:25.15 | abrotman | i don't think i should code PHP any more when i'm ill .. i do some really really dumb shit |
| 20:25.19 | streuner | helix: well, in terms of russians or americans its very close ;-) |
| 20:25.22 | valdyn | ixi-deb05: use google "ip accounting per user" for example |
| 20:25.25 | helix | mmm, russian boyz |
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| 20:25.31 | asg | helix: da |
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| 20:25.41 | helix | mne nravitsa russian boys |
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| 20:26.22 | asg | one would think a troll would do better than a friggin' /quit message |
| 20:26.35 | helix | I wonder if I should ban him |
| 20:26.36 | crispexi | what is a 'troll' ? |
| 20:26.36 | tyia | oho, erinn, gde ty nautshil po-russkii govorit |
| 20:26.46 | crispexi | i keep hearing it but i never understood what a troll is |
| 20:26.47 | asg | helix: no point |
| 20:26.49 | helix | tyia: are you flirting with me |
| 20:27.00 | abrotman | crispexi: based on your /whois .. i'd wager you're a troll |
| 20:27.02 | tyia | helix: koneshno! |
| 20:27.06 | crispexi | is it like a ripoff version of debian |
| 20:27.08 | crispexi | lol wtf |
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| 20:27.24 | tyia | helix: all eastern europeans are male shovinist pigs by definition |
| 20:27.25 | vorlon | helix: he asked you where you learned to speak Russian. |
| 20:27.32 | helix | oh |
| 20:27.33 | asg | crispexi: someone who intentionally plays devils advocate stupidly |
| 20:27.34 | crispexi | like knoppix is a troll of debian |
| 20:27.39 | helix | vorlon: wtf are you doing in here? :) |
| 20:27.42 | asg | crispexi: google for 'troll jargon file' |
| 20:27.50 | crispexi | k |
| 20:27.51 | tyia | helix: aw, you don't speak russian... |
| 20:28.01 | tyia | helix: what a show-off |
| 20:28.02 | helix | nah |
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| 20:28.16 | helix | well, I only know how to say "I like" and that seemed to fit in with my drooling over russian dudes |
| 20:28.24 | tyia | :) |
| 20:28.34 | asg | helix: the formal greeting is a nice long word |
| 20:28.40 | vorlon | helix: spying to see who's sending user questions to #debian-boot.:) |
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| 20:28.43 | helix | yeah, i tried to learn it once |
| 20:28.45 | helix | vorlon: ooh |
| 20:28.47 | asg | tyia: stravsvoitche or somesuch right? |
| 20:28.59 | helix | asg: I could only ever get 'goodbye' down |
| 20:28.59 | abrotman | helix: he came to yell at me .. but i swear it was an accident |
| 20:29.00 | asg | vorlon: nobody here has in some time |
| 20:29.01 | tyia | asg: stavstvuitje |
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| 20:29.17 | tyia | asg: ili stavstvuitche |
| 20:29.17 | asg | tyia: ah, I couldn't never get the english spelling, only ever learned the cyrillic |
| 20:29.22 | helix | tyia: I did buy a book to help me learn russian but without hearing stuff I get stuck |
| 20:29.28 | asg | tyia: but that was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away |
| 20:29.38 | helix | I need russian music |
| 20:29.39 | crispexi | 5619 next human rfid tracking smart pigs |
| 20:29.47 | helix | crispexi: what's wrong? |
| 20:29.48 | tyia | helix: well... |
| 20:29.49 | abrotman | asg: i did it the other day by accident |
| 20:29.59 | asg | vorlon: 15:31 < robin_sz> abrotman: #debian-boot were no help, silence is their watch word (last key for #debian-boot in days) |
| 20:30.02 | abrotman | asg: with robin_sz or whatever it was |
| 20:30.18 | tyia | helix: I can provide you with some |
| 20:30.21 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. i thought robin was installing fresh . but apparently she was upgrading a kernel |
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| 20:30.27 | abrotman | or he .. whatever robin is |
| 20:30.27 | chugga | why would my system feel snappier when i free some space on the root partition even though i have an exclusive swap partition ? |
| 20:30.30 | tyia | helix: and really good stuff |
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| 20:30.40 | helix | tyia: what kind of music? |
| 20:30.45 | tyia | helix: from the world-famous film 'Brat' |
| 20:30.51 | vorlon | asg: actually, there were two such questions yesterday that claimed to have been redirected from here, so. :) |
| 20:30.52 | valdyn | chugga: it wouldnt |
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| 20:31.03 | tyia | helix: *world-famous was a pun* |
| 20:31.09 | helix | ok |
| 20:31.10 | tyia | helix: rock mostly |
| 20:31.11 | abrotman | asg: anyways .. vorlon allowed me to continue living even though i made such a horrible mistake .. and for that i owe #debian-boot my life |
| 20:31.13 | helix | ok |
| 20:31.21 | chugga | valdyn, heh, well it does .. |
| 20:31.22 | abrotman | asg: but it truly was a mistake |
| 20:31.29 | asg | abrotman: it happens |
| 20:31.37 | crispexi | hamas because trident c-4 fraternal socialist allies meecn submarine launched ballistic missile alaska drivers licenses |
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| 20:31.45 | abrotman | exactly |
| 20:31.46 | asg | vorlon: ah :) |
| 20:31.46 | tyia | helix: but it is ILLEGAL to distribute authorized content |
| 20:31.57 | helix | tyia: ok. well, give me names of stuff and I'll find it |
| 20:32.00 | tyia | helix: I mean copyrighted |
| 20:32.00 | abrotman | i saw that coming a while ago |
| 20:32.10 | tyia | helix: brat soundtrack |
| 20:32.11 | helix | tyia: right |
| 20:32.11 | chugga | i swear its a lot faster. |
| 20:32.15 | helix | ok |
| 20:32.19 | helix | brb |
| 20:32.29 | valdyn | chugga: i guess its possible that not having sufficient room in /tmp or /var/tmp maybe slow your system, but that is really really far fetched.. |
| 20:32.32 | tyia | helix: this contains many of the best ones |
| 20:32.42 | tyia | helix: and brat 2 soundtrack also |
| 20:32.47 | chugga | valdyn, no, i dont think it is .. that must be it :) |
| 20:32.48 | asg | helix: you could put a mention in the topic here about not asking irrelevant stuff in #debian-boot |
| 20:32.53 | tyia | helix: and try akvarium |
| 20:32.57 | chugga | i was on on 100% disk usage before on taht partition |
| 20:33.09 | ixi-deb05 | valdyn: thnx, not much help... |
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| 20:33.35 | lobomufas | hi |
| 20:33.43 | tyia | helix: wcich is a strange mix of the doors and jethro tull :D :D :D |
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| 20:34.07 | abrotman | helix: and then he /msgs me .. ah well |
| 20:34.25 | abrotman | silly kids |
| 20:34.34 | tyia | abrotman: ? |
| 20:34.42 | abrotman | tyia: the guy that just got kicked |
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| 20:35.13 | schneiderj | I am trying to compile a source and I have the following comments : " Nothing to be done for `install_devel'." What does that mean (I am new to linux...) |
| 20:35.30 | tyia | has anyone installed lilo on hdb when booting from hda? |
| 20:35.35 | streuner | helix: Paris - Dijon about 3,5 hours by train |
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| 20:36.13 | tyia | tarzeau: would lilo do the trick? |
| 20:36.53 | abrotman | helix: you don't have the ability to k-line him do you? |
| 20:36.56 | tarzeau | tyia: no idea, i don't like/use lilo |
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| 20:37.29 | schneiderj | how does I know if an install is successfull ? |
| 20:37.47 | zinx | schneiderj: does it work? |
| 20:37.49 | streuner | schneiderj: you boot via HD and see a login |
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| 20:38.00 | smoser | i swear i saw something that would allow you to install a stripped version of myprog , and myprog.symbols (or something like that, that had the debug symbols to go along with myprog), and 'gdb myprog' would load the symbols from myprog.symbols. |
| 20:38.06 | smoser | did i make that up completely? |
| 20:38.10 | stew | schneiderj: what are you trying to install? |
| 20:38.12 | smoser | i can't find anything on it. |
| 20:38.26 | schneiderj | no, it just a library |
| 20:38.53 | archpollux | smoser: well if gdb supports that, i suggest you read the gdb manual |
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| 20:39.47 | pll | is there a way to have dpkg just take the defaults answers to an install script? |
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| 20:40.34 | pll | I need to install a new kernel package on ~300 systems, and I really don't want to have to answer No and Yes to 'Create boot floppy now' and 'Run Lilo now' 300 times :) |
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| 20:40.45 | helix | abrotman: nah, I'm not an ircop |
| 20:40.49 | helix | streuner: woo, that's far |
| 20:40.50 | stew | pll: have you looked at fai? |
| 20:40.53 | asg | pll: man apt-get (search for -y) |
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| 20:40.56 | Eno_ | hello, i loaded up gnome and get this: "You have a keyboard remapping file (.xmodmap-earthbound) in your home directory whose contents will now be ignored. You can use the keyboard preferences to restore them." problem is, i don't see where in keyboard preferences i can "restore" them |
| 20:41.12 | helix | hmm, I thought mediawiki was in debian; guess not |
| 20:41.17 | stew | pll: oh, just a kernle package, then yeah, what asg said |
| 20:41.54 | pll | Can't use apt-get, it's a locally built kernel package, which isn't apt-gettable. |
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| 20:42.12 | streuner | helix: well, that's a nighttrain..., via TCV its prolly 1 or 1,5 hours. |
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| 20:42.17 | helix | streuner: ah |
| 20:42.21 | Araldit | During kernel compile I often read that I should use gcc-2.95 but there is also a newer version. gcc-3.3.. Can I use that one too. The reasen is that some other programs that I am compiling needs 3.3, and wont cooperate with a kernel compiled with gcc-2.95. |
| 20:42.27 | helix | well, maybe I'll get to see paris then :) |
| 20:42.30 | peteDeng | hey i read about new ATI catalyst drivers for linux yesterday how would i get it on my debian? |
| 20:42.34 | chugga | how much space does a typical test install take? just roughly |
| 20:42.38 | stew | pll: you could setup a repository for it very easily, then use apt-get |
| 20:42.39 | streuner | helix: haha |
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| 20:42.55 | greycat | chugga: 200 MB for the sarge base system |
| 20:43.12 | pll | stew: I have a repository, but I can't muck with that right now. |
| 20:43.18 | chugga | grey ok, what about with a gui - kde and stuff .. and most other "essential apps? |
| 20:43.37 | greycat | chugga: tell ya what. try it and tell us. |
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| 20:43.50 | pll | FAI is intimately tangled around our repository, and I can't afford to hork that up right now :( |
| 20:43.52 | chugga | greycat, ok :) |
| 20:43.57 | greycat | obviously YOUR definition of "essential" varies dramatically from mine. |
| 20:44.12 | Araldit | Kernel compile - gcc-2.95 or 3.3??? |
| 20:44.15 | chugga | about 3 gigs? |
| 20:44.17 | asg | pll: then setup a simple local repo, add that to the sources list of your systems, and apt-get install ... |
| 20:44.17 | greycat | Araldit: "gcc". |
| 20:44.27 | greycat | Araldit: whatever the default is in your version of Debian. |
| 20:44.30 | peteDeng | is there an ati driver in form of a debian package? |
| 20:44.35 | greycat | peteDeng: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 20:44.48 | Araldit | Its. gcc-3.3.. So that is ok |
| 20:44.55 | greycat | peteDeng: but the normal ones in XFree86 in sarge work great for 2d |
| 20:44.55 | peteDeng | greycat: OK |
| 20:44.59 | pll | asg: how is it apt-get can do this, but dpkg can't? |
| 20:45.01 | peteDeng | greycat: well 3D |
| 20:45.06 | peteDeng | greycat: :b |
| 20:45.09 | pll | what is apt-get doing behind the scenes? |
| 20:45.17 | chugga | pll, magic? :) |
| 20:45.19 | greycat | pll: a lot of dpkg commands |
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| 20:45.46 | pll | greycat: so, one of them must be dpkg -i, no? |
| 20:45.53 | ozan | kewl |
| 20:46.15 | asg | pll: you could use clusterit or some ssh multiplexer to send the same commands to ~300 systems |
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| 20:46.32 | pll | apt-get must tell dpkg to automagically just take the defaults somehow, isn't there a way to do this manually ? |
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| 20:46.51 | resiak | pll: On the contrary, it doesn't tell dpkg to just take the default. |
| 20:46.55 | resiak | pll: RTFM |
| 20:46.55 | stego | Hi, I installed xfce4 just now, and going back to KDE, it seems all my fonts are ~twice as big. What could be the problem? I'm having to set them to 8point to make them look like 16point, say. |
| 20:46.56 | stew | pll: you could always edit the control files in the deb |
| 20:47.00 | stone_ | what dir is the kernel in? |
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| 20:47.04 | pll | asg: getting the commands to 300 machines *isn't* the problem |
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| 20:47.15 | streuner | stone_: debian kernel? |
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| 20:47.27 | stone_ | yes |
| 20:47.33 | MaRcIo | what up debiani |
| 20:47.39 | Daani| | anyone could give me a hand with glftpd? i really don't wanna mess it up this time :p |
| 20:47.39 | streuner | stone_: /boot/ |
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| 20:47.48 | asg | pll: yes but an ssh multiplexer would allow you to hit 'Y' or 'N' and it would send that to all of them during the install process. |
| 20:47.52 | pll | stew: yeah. I suppose that's the easiest way at this point/ |
| 20:48.09 | MaRcIo | is a pentium II good for debian graphical mode? |
| 20:48.09 | archpollux | debconf is a great thihng |
| 20:48.11 | archpollux | thing |
| 20:48.18 | archpollux | ) |
| 20:48.19 | archpollux | :) |
| 20:48.28 | asg | MaRcIo: worked fine for me for a long time and mine was a classic pentium 200 |
| 20:48.40 | MaRcIo | thats good |
| 20:48.40 | schneiderj | what mean "Cannot find gtkgl library" and how can I find it (gtkgl is installed by Synaptic) |
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| 20:48.53 | pll | resiak: which FM should I be R'ing :) |
| 20:49.03 | zinx | schneiderj: if you're trying to compile something, you need the -dev package too |
| 20:49.22 | schneiderj | Yes That what I do |
| 20:49.28 | resiak | pll: T FM. :) man dpkg, man apt-get |
| 20:49.54 | schneiderj | But I can't find the dev package ? |
| 20:50.20 | asg | schneiderj: apt-cache search -- <pkg> -dev |
| 20:50.24 | resiak | schneiderj: Well, then ... install it. |
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| 20:51.00 | schneiderj | I am wrong ... it is installed (if Synaptic is write) |
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| 20:51.48 | abrotman | paulswm: my debian accidentally installed suse .. can you help me ? |
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| 20:51.58 | resiak | abrotman: What ISO did you download? |
| 20:52.16 | abrotman | resiak: the newest .. 3.4r34 .. like i was told |
| 20:52.43 | paulswm | abrotman: did you get your CD burner back? |
| 20:52.44 | streuner | !irritate abrotman |
| 20:52.45 | dpkg | abrotman: wenas how does I run teh quake3 !!!! |
| 20:52.47 | resiak | abrotman: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:52.50 | abrotman | paulswm: no .. bunk acid too |
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| 20:52.55 | abrotman | resiak: 2.7 |
| 20:53.05 | abrotman | no mas! |
| 20:53.13 | abrotman | !kiss streuner |
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| 20:53.24 | Venusbeauty | hello |
| 20:53.29 | FieldySnuts | do an irritate on me i'm bored |
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| 20:53.32 | Venusbeauty | some body are here?? |
| 20:53.36 | greycat | it's BACK! |
| 20:53.38 | Ronin | Venusbeauty: still spamming? |
| 20:53.38 | FieldySnuts | what?? |
| 20:53.40 | asg | Venusbeauty: no |
| 20:53.41 | Venusbeauty | some one speak german?? |
| 20:53.47 | asg | Venusbeauty: no |
| 20:53.48 | Venusbeauty | what |
| 20:53.49 | FieldySnuts | Venusbeauty: wenas who uses dvd lol !! |
| 20:53.49 | asg | Venusbeauty: no |
| 20:53.53 | streuner | Venusbeauty: debian.de |
| 20:53.55 | resiak | !irritate FieldySnuts |
| 20:53.56 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: HELP ME!!! who uses kde !!!1 |
| 20:53.57 | Venusbeauty | DVD |
| 20:53.57 | jstevens | Venusbeauty: nein |
| 20:54.01 | Venusbeauty | sory |
| 20:54.03 | Venusbeauty | nein |
| 20:54.04 | Venusbeauty | lol |
| 20:54.06 | paulswm | abrotman: stick a picture of a penguin on your screen cos that's the nearest you're getting to a successful boot |
| 20:54.11 | greycat | Venusbeauty: frigidaire |
| 20:54.16 | FieldySnuts | greycat: who's here |
| 20:54.24 | greycat | FieldySnuts: ssh, we're turing testing. |
| 20:54.27 | FieldySnuts | oh ok |
| 20:54.28 | asg | paulswm: as long as it's the one holding a beer |
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| 20:54.32 | schneiderj | with apt-cache, I find the library... whats wrong ? |
| 20:54.36 | abrotman | paulswm: cool .. can i use a color picture? |
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| 20:54.38 | asg | Venusbeauty: my hovercraft is full of eels |
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| 20:54.50 | paulswm | abrotman: Sure |
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| 20:55.12 | Venusbeauty | sure?? |
| 20:55.14 | asg | Venusbeauty: drop your panties Sir William, I cannot wait till lunchtime |
| 20:55.14 | Venusbeauty | sorry |
| 20:55.18 | diepes | tyia: e.g. raid-extra-boot=/dev/sda,/dev/sdb,/dev/sdc,/dev/sdd,/dev/sde |
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| 20:55.26 | Venusbeauty | my friend have a very big dick |
| 20:55.27 | FieldySnuts | asg: you have beautiful thieghs! |
| 20:55.30 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 20:55.33 | Venusbeauty | thank you |
| 20:55.34 | asg | FieldySnuts: haha |
| 20:55.35 | abrotman | Venusbeauty: do you know what i want to do to you? |
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| 20:55.38 | greycat | FieldySnuts: we went through this once today. |
| 20:55.40 | Venusbeauty | and I m a bitch |
| 20:55.40 | FieldySnuts | asg: love that sketch |
| 20:55.44 | FieldySnuts | greycat: i figured |
| 20:55.52 | asg | paulswm: I only remember those two lines offhand though :( |
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| 20:55.54 | abrotman | Venusbeauty: can't that wait for the after-pillow-talk ? |
| 20:55.56 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart Venusbeauty |
| 20:56.08 | Venusbeauty | oh |
| 20:56.10 | Venusbeauty | oh |
| 20:56.11 | resiak | Shouldn't that be slay? |
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| 20:56.15 | abrotman | Venusbeauty: more ohs! |
| 20:56.15 | Venusbeauty | what |
| 20:56.18 | paulswm | asg: "Would you like to come back to my place, bouncy bouncy?" |
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| 20:56.20 | FieldySnuts | dunno if it has a slay, don't want to abuse the bot |
| 20:56.21 | Venusbeauty | its forbidden |
| 20:56.27 | asg | paulswm: ah, bouncy bouncy. |
| 20:56.30 | Venusbeauty | http://www.idpz.net/team_concept/XXXXXXXXXXXXXX |
| 20:56.35 | Venusbeauty | a very good links |
| 20:56.36 | FieldySnuts | heh then the trial, that was good |
| 20:56.38 | FieldySnuts | very odd |
| 20:56.39 | Venusbeauty | to see me |
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| 20:56.41 | Prouty | yeaaaah |
| 20:56.44 | Ronin | liar Venusbeauty |
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| 20:56.48 | Venusbeauty | ey ey |
| 20:56.51 | Venusbeauty | you love |
| 20:56.51 | schneiderj | with apt-cache, I find the library... whats wrong ? |
| 20:56.53 | FieldySnuts | Venusbeauty: was is das puta? |
| 20:56.53 | Venusbeauty | ?? |
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| 20:56.58 | asg | sanity time? |
| 20:57.00 | FieldySnuts | nevermind |
| 20:57.02 | Prouty | I don't understant ^^ |
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| 20:57.11 | asg | hehe |
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| 20:57.16 | streuner | haha |
| 20:57.21 | Prouty | loool |
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| 20:57.46 | resiak | !greycat++ |
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| 20:59.11 | Renan_ | Hi. |
| 20:59.23 | Renan_ | Someone can say me how can I install the wineX in my debian? |
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| 20:59.47 | greycat | there is no wineX now. |
| 21:00.00 | greycat | they call themselves cedega now, and they live in #cedega |
| 21:00.15 | Renan_ | greycat, hm.. how can I install my wine successfully? |
| 21:00.19 | schneiderj | with apt-cache, I find the library... whats wrong ? |
| 21:00.22 | greycat | and for $15 they will let you try their commercial product. |
| 21:00.28 | schneiderj | the answer is : libgtkgl2.0-dev - Gimp Toolkit OpenGL area widget include files and static library |
| 21:01.04 | Renan_ | I've installed wine but it dont find a libntdll.dll.so. Someone said me it's a part of a wineX |
| 21:01.04 | schneiderj | why my config is saying that gtkgl is not installed ? |
| 21:01.11 | resiak | Renan_: Google for cvscedega |
| 21:01.13 | Renan_ | now, how i can make my wine works? |
| 21:01.18 | FieldySnuts | my god |
| 21:01.20 | greycat | Renan_: hope you have your credit card handy. |
| 21:01.25 | FieldySnuts | it's like a live version of !irritate |
| 21:01.37 | resiak | greycat: cvscedega is free. |
| 21:01.47 | Renan_ | I wont pay for winex :P |
| 21:01.52 | greycat | resiak: does it actually play any games? |
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| 21:01.57 | resiak | greycat: I run Deus Ex on it. |
| 21:01.58 | Renan_ | I just want install my wine correctly |
| 21:02.06 | greycat | Renan_: apt-get install wine |
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| 21:02.20 | resiak | Renan_: If you want to play games, google for cvscedega, as I just said. |
| 21:02.26 | jstevens | followed by apt-get install cheese |
| 21:02.27 | resiak | greycat: I needed a noCD crack, but that was all. |
| 21:02.35 | greycat | resiak: ugh. |
| 21:02.44 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 21:02.45 | greycat | resiak: I may look into it, though. Thanks. |
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| 21:02.49 | Guerin | Renan_: 1. take wine bottle 2. remove cork 3. install |
| 21:02.54 | Guerin | Renan_: repeat |
| 21:02.56 | resiak | greycat: Pleasure. I was ecstatic. |
| 21:03.01 | resiak | Guerin: I've missed you. |
| 21:03.05 | asg | schneiderj: did you in fact install libgtkgl2.0-dev? |
| 21:03.26 | streuner | Guerin: vacation? |
| 21:03.33 | abrotman | !be an FTP barbie |
| 21:03.34 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 21:03.34 | Guerin | streuner: we call it a holiday here |
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| 21:03.42 | streuner | Guerin: hehe |
| 21:03.43 | asg | Guerin: the lashings? |
| 21:03.49 | Guerin | though it's actually been far more stressful and painful than work ever was |
| 21:04.02 | pierre | test |
| 21:04.08 | asg | pierre: no, you're not online |
| 21:04.21 | pierre | dsf |
| 21:04.28 | Renan_ | Guerin, what? i didnt understand u.. sorry x/ |
| 21:04.28 | asg | kmfdm |
| 21:04.38 | Guerin | gdmfsob |
| 21:04.40 | paulswm | i install the debian ubuntu and now my computer he don't boot the disk. how upgrade to the debian knopix and how to make the booting? |
| 21:04.52 | asg | paulswm: stick a fork in your temple |
| 21:04.53 | Guerin | !alicekill paulswm |
| 21:04.55 | greycat | paulswm: don't do that. |
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| 21:05.08 | paulswm | greycat: sorry |
| 21:05.15 | asg | Guerin: ah, and the implements of destruction |
| 21:05.26 | greycat | paulswm: I had to look at the nick to decide not to /kick instantly. |
| 21:05.31 | stew | heh |
| 21:05.51 | ck | Ok...i'm running Deb-testing, age old problem of getting sound to work...so Downloaded the ALSA patched kernel, all the tools, ran alsa-config...cmi-pci is detected, the system still won't give me noise |
| 21:06.06 | paulswm | greycat: my apologies, there seemed to be a theme earlier, no offense intended, thanks for not slinging me out on my ear |
| 21:06.13 | greycat | ck: unmute the channels. AND raise the volume. |
| 21:06.30 | ck | done both |
| 21:06.46 | tyia | dieps: ? |
| 21:06.53 | greycat | ck: look for errors in dmesg. if you can't find anything, ask #alsa. |
| 21:06.59 | ck | using....alsamixergui |
| 21:07.00 | Guerin | ok, I'm out |
| 21:07.04 | Renan_ | how can i reinstall the apt-get? |
| 21:07.09 | paulswm | seeya Guerin |
| 21:07.10 | greycat | Renan_: the package name is 'apt'. |
| 21:07.11 | ck | cool, thanks greycat |
| 21:07.12 | Guerin | oh, he is a troll |
| 21:07.12 | greycat | Renan_: have fun. |
| 21:07.13 | diepes | tyia: ? |
| 21:07.14 | Prouty | http://www.idpz.net/team_concept/XXXXXXXXXXXXX |
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| 21:07.17 | streuner | Guerin: now, its almost march, we have still some time... :-) |
| 21:07.18 | Renan_ | i've deleted /var/lib/apt/ x/ |
| 21:07.20 | directhex | Renan_, why would you need ot want to? |
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| 21:07.39 | tyia | diepes: you sent me a message? |
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| 21:07.58 | tyia | diepes: regarding what exactly? |
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| 21:08.19 | diepes | tyia: could you not read it ? |
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| 21:09.16 | tyia | diepes: raid-extra-boot=/dev/sda,/dev/sdb,/dev/sdc,/dev/sdd,/dev/sde ??? |
| 21:09.33 | tyia | diepes: what has that to do with me? |
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| 21:09.49 | diepes | tyia: lilo option for installing lilo on hdb |
| 21:09.57 | greycat | man lilo.conf |
| 21:10.22 | tyia | diepes: ok, thanks, I'll look to it |
| 21:11.31 | tyia | diepes: ok, that's the thing! |
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| 21:12.07 | Empty | Hey all, what's a good tabbed X terminal that will work on XFce? I'd prefer it not to use many KDE/Gnome libs |
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| 21:12.15 | buu | Anyone have an idea why I'm getting really bad 'glxgears' performance? I just installed debian + X, installed the nvidia driver, modified my xf86config thing and restarted |
| 21:12.35 | asg | Empty: screen in an xterm |
| 21:12.37 | directhex | !tell Renan_ about msg |
| 21:12.43 | asg | Empty: s/xterm/rxvt/ |
| 21:12.52 | Empty | buu: did you recompile your kernel with MAD_LEET_GLXGEARS=true? |
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| 21:13.49 | BrianAnthony | why am I not getting sound from audio? |
| 21:13.54 | BrianAnthony | err |
| 21:13.58 | buu | Empty: ... |
| 21:13.59 | BrianAnthony | audio files, even |
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| 21:14.13 | BrianAnthony | I can get sound just fine through video files |
| 21:14.13 | Empty | buu: sorry, I was kidding |
| 21:14.13 | PerfDave | buu: You're definitely using the nvidia driver? You get the nvidia splash screen when X starts? |
| 21:14.18 | buu | PerfDave: Yep. |
| 21:14.25 | PerfDave | buu: You're using an nVidia card? ;) |
| 21:14.28 | Renan_ | how can I see my debian version? |
| 21:14.29 | buu | Yep =] |
| 21:14.29 | PerfDave | buu: What card do you have? |
| 21:14.31 | BrianAnthony | PerfDave: lol |
| 21:14.35 | buu | gf4 ti4400 |
| 21:14.37 | PerfDave | Renan_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:14.47 | Empty | Renan_, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:14.55 | PerfDave | buu: Have you enabled AGP x2 or x4 or whatever in your BIOS? |
| 21:15.03 | buu | PerfDave: Eh, probably |
| 21:15.14 | buu | Unless it's magically changed some time. |
| 21:15.20 | PerfDave | buu: I'm just plucking at straws now relaly ;) |
| 21:15.24 | buu | =[ |
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| 21:15.36 | Hell-Man | have anyone got a cbl 1100 pcmcia eth card working under deb |
| 21:15.38 | PerfDave | buu: Do you know what sort of glxgears score you would expect from that card? |
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| 21:16.04 | directhex | ~3800 |
| 21:16.06 | apt | 3800 is, like, h3800 |
| 21:16.33 | drac | I have this small (and cheap) usb camera. Gtkam detects it, and I can get pictures out from it. But i'm intrested about videostream now. Is there some common modules I should load for that? Cause qtcam says no /dev/video to be found. |
| 21:16.40 | drac | 2.6x kernel, udev. |
| 21:16.55 | PerfDave | Remind me, are you supposed to run glxgears in a window, or a full screen, or behind another window? ;) |
| 21:17.09 | Babbage | PerfDave> run it however you want! |
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| 21:17.24 | paddyez | re |
| 21:17.29 | directhex | PerfDave, in the default window |
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| 21:17.43 | directhex | PerfDave, on top of all other apps. minimising = rather high score |
| 21:17.44 | paddyez | why does http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/ not load? |
| 21:17.56 | PerfDave | I mean, I get like 5000 fps when the glxgears window isn't visible. |
| 21:18.02 | PerfDave | No, I lie, 8000 |
| 21:18.25 | asg | paddyez: because lists.debian.org appears to be down for a bit |
| 21:18.32 | buu | PerfDave: Right, I only get like 1300 |
| 21:18.37 | paulswm | PerfDave: You'll get similar results if you run it minimized. No fair if it's not actually drawing :) |
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| 21:18.41 | Empty | asg, I am not seeing any way to do it in rxvt, enlighten me with a hint? |
| 21:19.01 | buu | PerfDave: I should be getting slightly higher than that. |
| 21:19.01 | PerfDave | (in 5 seconds, ~440 fps) |
| 21:19.07 | asg | Empty: a) open rxvt, b) run screen, c) ^a ? |
| 21:19.19 | asg | Empty: the tabs are in your mind but the functionality is essentially the same |
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| 21:19.29 | PerfDave | buu: And what are you getting? |
| 21:19.34 | buu | Hrm. I've only got a /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko |
| 21:19.37 | buu | PerfDave: 200 or so |
| 21:19.44 | PerfDave | buu: That seems bad. |
| 21:19.48 | directhex | PerfDave, why do i get under 1000 on my htpc machine? :( |
| 21:19.52 | paddyez | asg: bluescreen? |
| 21:19.55 | PerfDave | htpc? |
| 21:19.58 | stew | i get 45fps with my radeon 9200, and i'm fine with that |
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| 21:20.06 | PerfDave | stew: In glxgears? |
| 21:20.06 | buu | I don't have a nvidia.so or .o in there |
| 21:20.11 | Jacobo221 | can anyone recommend me a good image viewer (for viewing a _single_ image) ? |
| 21:20.12 | stew | PerfDave: yeah |
| 21:20.18 | PerfDave | buu: 2.6 kernels have .ko for kernel modules |
| 21:20.18 | asg | paddyez: might be down for maintenance. |
| 21:20.21 | directhex | buu, .ko is a 2.6 kernel module |
| 21:20.22 | drac | hmm, i get 2200fps with my 9200. normal window size, and visible. |
| 21:20.28 | PerfDave | stew: *Man* Radeons fucking suck. |
| 21:20.30 | Babbage | Jacobo221> eog? |
| 21:20.33 | Empty | asg, oops... Yeah that may work for me, but this is for thinclient deployment to monke^w tech support reps |
| 21:20.36 | FieldySnuts | visible i get about 11000, eat it |
| 21:20.36 | buu | drac: See? That's what you're supposed to get. |
| 21:20.39 | PerfDave | stew: Are you using the ATI drivers or the free ones? |
| 21:20.46 | paddyez | asg: thanx |
| 21:20.49 | stew | PerfDave: free |
| 21:20.53 | PerfDave | directhex: I bet you don't, I bet you get 2200 frames per 5 seconds. |
| 21:20.56 | PerfDave | ARgh |
| 21:21.00 | PerfDave | drac: I bet you don't, I bet you get 2200 frames per 5 seconds. |
| 21:21.01 | tyia | diepes: Fatal: Not a RAID install, 'raid-extra-boot=' not allowed |
| 21:21.01 | stew | PerfDave: like i said, i'm fine with it, never bothered to do anything about it |
| 21:21.04 | directhex | i'd expect closer to 500 with dri |
| 21:21.10 | drac | PerfDave: ah true. |
| 21:21.15 | drac | ah no |
| 21:21.15 | Jacobo221 | Babbage: ye, but eog is for gnome. I don't use gnome ;) |
| 21:21.34 | drac | 12485 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2497.000 FPS |
| 21:21.38 | drac | is that normal? |
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| 21:21.49 | directhex | more than my work pc gets, that's for sure |
| 21:21.53 | PerfDave | drac: Uhm, you have got the glxgears window visible, right? |
| 21:21.55 | Babbage | Jacobo221> Imagemagick's "display" command then? |
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| 21:21.59 | Empty | Jacobo221, try gqview, think it has a "single image" mode |
| 21:22.01 | asg | Empty: hmmm |
| 21:22.03 | drac | PerfDave: yes |
| 21:22.12 | buu | drac: Sounds good to me. |
| 21:22.16 | scytheman | some ION users there? i want to deactivate the font-aliasing, but i can't find anything about it in the manpage or on the website |
| 21:22.17 | diepes | tyia: do you have linux on hda but you want lilo on hdb ? why ? |
| 21:22.18 | FieldySnuts | links -g image.whatever ;P |
| 21:22.19 | Empty | Jacobo221, Alternately firefox will do the trick ;) |
| 21:22.22 | PerfDave | 2500 FPS? Isn't that faster than the AGP bus? |
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| 21:22.26 | stew | oh i get like 2000 if i make the window smaller |
| 21:22.38 | directhex | PerfDave, i had ~11000 when i had a 6800 fitted |
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| 21:22.54 | stew | 45fps was for a full 1280x1024 windoww |
| 21:23.01 | PerfDave | directhex: Wow, is my GeForce FX5200 really that sucky? |
| 21:23.09 | buu | PerfDave: yes =] |
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| 21:23.16 | Babbage | I have a radeon 7500, and direct GLX rendering is disabled. How do I find out why? |
| 21:23.17 | directhex | also, glxgears is a poor measure, since even r300 works with glxgears |
| 21:23.21 | Jacobo221 | Empero: heh ;) i'll try gqview |
| 21:23.23 | directhex | PerfDave, for 3d? yes |
| 21:23.28 | napsy | Hello! I am trying to compile xcompmgr for x.org but when I run autogen.sh I get the following error: "configure.ac: 9: `automake requires `AM_CONFIG_HEADER', not `AC_CONFIG_HEADER'". What must I do to compile successful? |
| 21:23.29 | Kvant | PerfDave, i get ~2700fps with gffx5600 |
| 21:23.29 | Jacobo221 | Babbage: oki, will try that too, thanks |
| 21:23.47 | stew | what is the default window size for glxgears? |
| 21:23.54 | FieldySnuts | 924 frames in 5.0 seconds = 184.800 FPS that's fullscreened in gnome at 2048x1536 |
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| 21:24.00 | Empty | Jacobo221, IME gqview works much better than EOG in general too |
| 21:24.07 | directhex | fullscreen is even less relevant than the default window size |
| 21:24.10 | tyia | diepes: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/prepare.html |
| 21:24.20 | FieldySnuts | shrug, just people waving numbers |
| 21:24.37 | FieldySnuts | i need FOOD bye |
| 21:24.46 | directhex | this ti4200 gives 18615 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3723.000 FPS |
| 21:24.52 | directhex | which makes the 850 on my htpc seem wrong |
| 21:25.06 | buu | directhex: What size? |
| 21:25.15 | directhex | default size -_- |
| 21:25.17 | buu | ... |
| 21:25.19 | Babbage | I have a radeon 7500, and direct GLX rendering is disabled. How do I find out why? I get "(II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled" in the X server output (server is XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 20041215174925 fabbione@fabbione.net)) |
| 21:25.26 | tarzeau | feh can also view picutres (over http) |
| 21:25.31 | Empty | directhex, EGA color? ;) |
| 21:25.36 | Jacobo221 | Babbage: 7500 here too ;) I might be of help for you. dri orking fien here |
| 21:25.45 | Babbage | Jacobo221> Cool. |
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| 21:25.54 | buu | directhex: I get like 800fps at 800x600, with a 4400 |
| 21:26.01 | Jacobo221 | Babbage: just query me any question you might have |
| 21:26.12 | Babbage | Jacobo221> The "radeon" module is loaded. What else do I need to check? |
| 21:26.25 | directhex | Babbage, drm compiled for your kernel, dri sections of xf86config-4 filled in? |
| 21:26.35 | napsy | Hello! I am trying to compile xcompmgr for x.org but when I run autogen.sh I get the following error: "configure.ac: 9: `automake requires `AM_CONFIG_HEADER', not `AC_CONFIG_HEADER'". And later: "configure.ac: 9: required file `./[config.h].in' not found". Whitch packages must I install? |
| 21:26.38 | directhex | buu, and at default size? |
| 21:26.47 | buu | directhex: I have no idea what the default size is |
| 21:27.02 | directhex | buu, type 'glxgears'. that size. |
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| 21:27.13 | buu | directhex: My Wm automatically maximizes it |
| 21:27.16 | diepes | tyia: rather install grub, as it finds the kernel dynamically using the file name during boot. If it has to be lilo boot=/dev/hdb ? |
| 21:27.21 | directhex | bu, how idiotic |
| 21:27.26 | buu | I like it. |
| 21:27.56 | guptan | hikenboot, how can I enable pango rendering in Firefox (to support indic fonts)?? |
| 21:28.01 | paulswm | Then click the lil unmaximize thingy and that should be the default size |
| 21:28.03 | tyia | diepes: grub didn't work |
| 21:28.06 | guptan | oops |
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| 21:28.13 | buu | paulswm: It doesn't have a title bar either. |
| 21:28.13 | directhex | buu, the drawn section should be 300 x 300 |
| 21:28.24 | guptan | how can I enable pango rendering in Firefox (to support indic fonts)?? |
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| 21:29.57 | possie | if you once change the blocksize of the tape device then change it back to what it was immediatly then you cant use your tape anymore, why is that? |
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| 21:30.37 | buu | directhex: Much better =] |
| 21:30.47 | buu | directhex: 4171.800 fps |
| 21:30.56 | technoMyst | I'm trying to get courier-imapd to work with Qmail and Vpopmail, I'm having problems with the auth. Pop works fine. Following the qmailrocks.com install guide. Setting AUTHMODULES="authvchkpw" doesn't seem to fix. |
| 21:31.01 | directhex | buu, so 3d was working fine all along. bloody window manager -_- |
| 21:31.07 | buu | directhex: Yeah |
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| 21:31.37 | Empty | technoMyst, you may find the "lifewithqmail.org" better |
| 21:31.44 | Empty | depending on your needs |
| 21:31.46 | Solet | ok total n00b here... i have a usb wifi card, how do i get debian to recognize it. |
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| 21:31.56 | afrosheen | usb wifi..ugh |
| 21:31.57 | technoMyst | Well just making a mailserver to host multiple domains with vhosts |
| 21:32.03 | FieldySnuts | good luck, those almost always only work in windows (by design) |
| 21:32.03 | directhex | Solet, depends on whether it's linux-friendly |
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| 21:32.12 | afrosheen | Solet: does dmesg show anything when you plug it in? |
| 21:32.23 | PerfDave | Solet: Which version of Debian? |
| 21:32.28 | Empty | technoMyst, LWQ will cover those needs and it works like a charm |
| 21:32.35 | MaRcIo | a thing that doesnt matter debian |
| 21:32.39 | Empty | technoMyst, is it a fresh install of Debian? |
| 21:32.40 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 21:32.44 | technoMyst | Yeah, sarge |
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| 21:32.50 | technoMyst | Just making a test server before I go live with it |
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| 21:32.59 | MaRcIo | theres an old song that say paradise |
| 21:33.02 | technoMyst | Just started at a new company, migrating their evil Microsoft iMail server to linux |
| 21:33.20 | Solet | PerfDave: ummm... ??? cant remember |
| 21:33.20 | Empty | technoMyst, apt-get install build-essential gcc patch make |
| 21:33.25 | Empty | technoMyst, then follow LWQ |
| 21:33.32 | directhex | PerfDave, bail out NOW, this will get ugly |
| 21:33.32 | Empty | technoMyst, should give you no probs |
| 21:33.47 | afrosheen | technoMyst: have you asked in #qmr |
| 21:33.53 | technoMyst | Well I've already got most everything installed from qmailrocks, do i need to try from a fresh install? |
| 21:34.06 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an mta war |
| 21:34.08 | ravenbird | courier has an evil license |
| 21:34.11 | hedonick | MaRcIo: "Paradise is where you are right now... only much much better" / Laurie Anderson ;-) |
| 21:34.11 | technoMyst | afrosheen, I didnt know that room existed, I'll pop in real quick |
| 21:34.21 | stew | technoMyst: do you have an authdaemon started? |
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| 21:34.24 | afrosheen | technoMyst: it's on qmr's contact list :) |
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| 21:34.33 | stew | technoMyst: ps aux | grep authdaemon |
| 21:34.40 | Empty | technoMyst, *shrug*, I have used LWQ many times and it is a breeze... QMR is a different philosophy, but outside of DJB himself not many people know qmail better than Dave Sill |
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| 21:34.59 | drp | what's a good X media player ... for vids |
| 21:35.04 | Empty | technoMyst, (dave sill = guy behind LWQ and author of The Qmail Handbook) |
| 21:35.08 | Empty | drp: vlc |
| 21:35.09 | asg | drp: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 21:35.12 | technoMyst | root 3995 0.0 0.5 1668 472 ? S 13:13 0:00 /usr/sbin/courierlogger -pid=/var/run/courier/authdaemon/pid -start /usr/lib/courier/authlib/authdaemond.plain |
| 21:35.19 | PerfDave | directhex: Already baield ;) |
| 21:35.24 | technoMyst | and a couple other instances of /usr/lib/courier/authlib/authdaemond.plain running |
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| 21:35.43 | asg | Empty: the oreilly book isn't half bad either |
| 21:35.44 | stew | technoMyst: and what is the problem? you just can't log in? |
| 21:35.52 | technoMyst | well i was a bit weary of qmr's use of daemontools |
| 21:35.56 | technoMyst | yeah, with imap |
| 21:36.02 | Pred1 | where can i set the chipset in kernel config? |
| 21:36.03 | FieldySnuts | for good reason, daemontools sucks |
| 21:36.05 | technoMyst | it accepts the login name but never goes with the password |
| 21:36.12 | stew | technoMyst: put DEBUG_LOGIN=1 in /etc/courier/imapd and restart courier-imap |
| 21:36.16 | directhex | Solet, well done, you lost all chance you had of help by acting like an idiot |
| 21:36.24 | stew | technoMyst: then watch /var/log/mail.log when you try to login |
| 21:36.28 | technoMyst | stew, kk, one sec |
| 21:36.33 | drp | ty Empty and asg |
| 21:36.36 | directhex | !tell Solet about ep |
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| 21:36.41 | directhex | !tell Solet about smart questions |
| 21:36.48 | directhex | Solet, read those, come back, and ask again |
| 21:36.49 | Empty | asg, Yeah it's not bad, I just prefer Sill's approach |
| 21:37.08 | Renan_ | How can I regain a folder that i've deleted with rm -rf |
| 21:37.09 | Renan_ | ? |
| 21:37.15 | afrosheen | unrm |
| 21:37.23 | destr0 | when you have an entry for testing and stable repositories in your sources.list file, how do you tell apt you want to get something from one repository specifically. i.e. I'd like to get the newer mysql from testing. |
| 21:37.24 | asg | Empty: I really should give that one a read |
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| 21:37.29 | asg | Empty: the sill book |
| 21:37.32 | Renan_ | i've deleted /var/lib/apt/ |
| 21:37.32 | Renan_ | :/ |
| 21:37.36 | afrosheen | uh oh |
| 21:37.40 | Renan_ | and i've tried to reinstall, but isnt workin |
| 21:37.56 | asg | Renan_: then grab the apt package from your mirror and dpkg -i it |
| 21:38.00 | Babbage | !unrm |
| 21:38.10 | FieldySnuts | consider backups in the future ;P |
| 21:38.13 | Empty | Renan_, 'mkdir folder; gedit folder/filename1" then put in all the contents from memory. Repeat as necessary. |
| 21:38.27 | Renan_ | Empty, what?! |
| 21:38.31 | Empty | FieldySnuts, s/backups/thought/ |
| 21:38.33 | Pred1 | where can i set the chipset in kernel config? |
| 21:38.34 | afrosheen | lol |
| 21:38.36 | guptan | sorry to repeat, but i can't help it. how can I enable pango support in firefox; FC3 R notes says to set env variable MOZ_ENABLE_PANGO=1; sadly no effect in debian/ubuntu |
| 21:38.45 | Babbage | Renan_> If you only deleted /var/lib/apt, you should just be able to do "apt-get update" |
| 21:38.46 | Empty | Renan_, Joking, IOW you are pretty screwed |
| 21:38.50 | asg | guptan: ask #ubuntu then |
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| 21:38.50 | afrosheen | Pred1: what chipset, there are dozens |
| 21:38.51 | FieldySnuts | @lart guptan |
| 21:39.06 | Renan_ | Babbage, dont work more :/ |
| 21:39.16 | Pred1 | afrosheen: the ide controller |
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| 21:39.28 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 21:39.29 | afrosheen | Pred1: I imagine it's in the ide controller section |
| 21:39.29 | guptan | asg, sorry I tried my luck there |
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| 21:39.37 | Renan_ | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 21:39.37 | Empty | unrm *might* work, you will be better off reinstalling apt as per the 'dpkg -i' suggestion |
| 21:39.59 | afrosheen | wow, unrm is a real command? I was being a smartass |
| 21:40.04 | asg | guptan: then look at the changelog that comes with that package and find out why it doesn't have an effect or submit a bug to their bts. |
| 21:40.11 | Babbage | Renan_> mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists ? |
| 21:40.14 | ribnitz | !backup |
| 21:40.14 | dpkg | methinks backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 21:40.21 | Empty | Renan_, you are sure you deleted it, and you are not just trying to run apt as non-root? |
| 21:40.40 | nite613 | are i686 binaries compatible with k7 chips? |
| 21:40.47 | PerfDave | nite613: Yes |
| 21:40.54 | Empty | afrosheen, yeah I think it's in one of the forensics packages... of course, if anything else has written to disk(like, say, XChat swap or logs ;) you may lose a lot |
| 21:40.55 | ribnitz | nite613: yep |
| 21:40.57 | directhex | nite613, sort of. use k7 binaries! |
| 21:41.00 | afrosheen | k7? i.e. pre-athlon? |
| 21:41.05 | abrotman | k7 is athlon |
| 21:41.05 | directhex | afrosheen, k7 IS athlon |
| 21:41.08 | guptan | asg, i think compiling firefox enabling pango does the job, I don't know how to do it, and I don't want to do it either |
| 21:41.10 | directhex | !tell afrosheen about k7 |
| 21:41.12 | afrosheen | haha reeled in |
| 21:41.20 | technoMyst | stew, mail.log showed login failed |
| 21:41.27 | asg | guptan: then file a bug against ubuntu asking them to do it for you |
| 21:41.27 | Renan_ | Empty, i would delete the folder /var/lib/aptitude, and deleted var/lib/apt |
| 21:41.27 | Renan_ | :/ |
| 21:41.29 | technoMyst | no other email messages |
| 21:42.00 | stew | technoMyst: what auth method are you using? CRAM-MD5? or plain? |
| 21:42.03 | abrotman | this isn't #ubuntu is it? .. did i get drunk and irc in the wrong channel again? |
| 21:42.10 | Empty | Renan_, well, fix it with dpkg and the apt .deb, and in the future now you know why most admins look long and hard at an 'rm' command before hitting enter |
| 21:42.12 | guptan | asg, I use debian too, its not debian/ubuntu issue |
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| 21:42.25 | asg | guptan: if you are having issues on ubuntu it is |
| 21:42.26 | FieldySnuts | well if it's neither, then #debian isn't the place |
| 21:42.27 | abrotman | debian is not ubuntu |
| 21:42.31 | Renan_ | where can i download apt .deb? |
| 21:42.33 | tarzeau | ubuntu is not debian |
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| 21:42.39 | tarzeau | Renan_: you should use apt-get |
| 21:42.41 | technoMyst | plain |
| 21:42.44 | ribnitz | Renan_: packages.debian.org/aptz |
| 21:42.47 | asg | Renan_: from your mirrot |
| 21:42.47 | ribnitz | er apt |
| 21:42.50 | Empty | tarzeau, he horked apt |
| 21:42.57 | guptan | asg this is an issue with firefox on linux, in both debian and ubuntu |
| 21:42.57 | asg | Renan_: dpkg -i the deb ; apt-get update |
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| 21:43.01 | tarzeau | Empty: not even apt-get moo works anymore? |
| 21:43.04 | abrotman | he ate it . all of it |
| 21:43.07 | technoMyst | it should be using authvchkpw |
| 21:43.15 | Empty | tarzeau, he 'rm -rf'ed /var/lib/apt |
| 21:43.16 | tarzeau | like those who do rpm -e rpm ? |
| 21:43.18 | asg | guptan: then file bugs in the bts (for debian) and ubuntu's bts (for ubuntu) |
| 21:43.26 | technoMyst | hmm, but it says modules="authpam" |
| 21:43.27 | tarzeau | Empty: funny. wonder why someone would do that... |
| 21:43.30 | edsuom | I blew 3 hrs today because sid decided to yank python-profiling |
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| 21:43.43 | ribnitz | tarzeau: will you be at LOTS? |
| 21:43.46 | asg | edsuom: thought you said you were using sarge? |
| 21:43.48 | guptan | thanks asg, i will do it |
| 21:43.55 | edsuom | asg: No, sid |
| 21:43.55 | tarzeau | Empty: well i remember when we tested items falling from one meter height, 3 and 10 meters, when i was a child |
| 21:44.00 | Empty | tarzeau, he was trying to 'apt-get remove aptitude' by hand (one assumes due to ignorance) |
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| 21:44.08 | tarzeau | Empty: maybe some similar experiments with software, out of boredom |
| 21:44.13 | PerfDave | edsuom: Welcome to sid ;) |
| 21:44.19 | asg | edsuom: well, that's sid for you. At least you can still log in and haven't had your root fs deleted. |
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| 21:44.27 | tarzeau | ribnitz: will you? not sure, but i might show up on saturday |
| 21:44.28 | Renan_ | ribnitz, there is no apt .deb :/ |
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| 21:44.35 | edsuom | asg: I guess. It's worked fine for months and months and I got complacent |
| 21:44.41 | tarzeau | ribnitz: showing some GNUstep magic. dunno yet, depends on my dates |
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| 21:44.51 | pll | so, why would apt-get still ask me questions even after specifying: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y |
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| 21:45.08 | asg | edsuom: as sid does. /msg dpkg sid faq (read the horrible bugs section for a sample of some of unstable's more tasty gaffs) |
| 21:45.34 | Empty | Anyone know the name of the MTA stub package? |
| 21:45.35 | edsuom | asg: I want my money back! |
| 21:45.36 | ribnitz | Renan_: http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/apt |
| 21:45.46 | asg | Empty: mail-transport-agent is what they all provide |
| 21:45.47 | ribnitz | Empty: nullmailer? |
| 21:45.53 | Xenguy | edsuom: apt-get install apt-listbugs helps |
| 21:45.59 | asg | edsuom: there are no guarantees with stable, let along unstable. |
| 21:45.59 | Renan_ | my debian is stable.. can i use the testing version apt? |
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| 21:46.08 | Empty | something I can install so I can remove the castrated exim from my qmail hosts |
| 21:46.16 | FieldySnuts | heh castrated |
| 21:46.17 | asg | Renan_: dude, just grab the deb from snapshot.debian.net, how hard can it be |
| 21:46.18 | ribnitz | Renan_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/apt |
| 21:46.43 | asg | Empty: create a dummy package with equivs that provides mail-transport-agent. Install it (it will remove exim). Install your qmail. |
| 21:46.55 | Renan_ | ribnitz, this site doesnt have the version .deb.. i'm not finding it. |
| 21:46.59 | ribnitz | tarzeau: will also be around on sat |
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| 21:47.09 | Renan_ | can u view the site and get the direct link for i download, ribnitz ? |
| 21:47.18 | edsuom | asg: How about testing, then? |
| 21:47.19 | Empty | asg oh I thought there was one like this in the apt repos somewhere |
| 21:47.24 | tarzeau | ribnitz: what kind of people are there? what is the percentage of female visitors? |
| 21:47.30 | asg | edsuom: less likely to break |
| 21:47.41 | asg | Empty: there is a qmail-src package in contrib |
| 21:47.42 | ribnitz | Renan_: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.5.4_i386.deb |
| 21:47.50 | asg | Empty: it will do all the magic for you |
| 21:47.59 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 21:48.03 | Empty | asg, my qmail is highly customized |
| 21:48.05 | asg | Empty: I usually just create a dummy myself and install using netqmail-1.05 |
| 21:48.21 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fuck qmail |
| 21:48.23 | ribnitz | tarzeau: A few businesspeople, M$ has a booth. mostly the well-known offenders though. |
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| 21:48.42 | xam | tarzeau: do you REALLY expect an honest answer??? |
| 21:48.52 | cheal | tarzeau: it seems that http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UserPreferences is fucked up on your site (I've never seen it working). can you do something about that? |
| 21:49.01 | PerfDave | Empty: Hang on, you installed a custom qmail from non-apt sources and are now trying to remove the only MTA that apt knows about? |
| 21:49.03 | tarzeau | xam: to what question? |
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| 21:49.12 | edsuom | asg: So, can I just change sources.list to testing now? Or will that demand a bunch of downgrades to what's (now) working? |
| 21:49.22 | cafuego | tarzeau: Whilst you're at it, can you send me a copy of the debian-user-world-map db? |
| 21:49.26 | PerfDave | edsuom: You can't downgrade from Unstable to Testing. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:49.26 | Empty | PerfDave, That's my thought... I want to replace it with a stub package |
| 21:49.33 | asg | edsuom: downgrading from sid to sarge is possible but may cause problems |
| 21:49.34 | tarzeau | cheal: what language? can you register and account (set password) and then i'll give you edit permission |
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| 21:49.46 | PerfDave | Empty: You can use equivs to tell apt that you have qmail-src installed, possibly. |
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| 21:49.51 | xam | tarzeau: "what is the percentage of female visitors?" |
| 21:49.52 | Empty | PerfDave, so I don't end up killing half my crap |
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| 21:50.01 | ribnitz | edsuom: generally, reinstalling sarge will be faster. |
| 21:50.03 | tarzeau | cafuego: oh well.. not so easily. but i'd be glad to update/migrate it at some d.o page if that's possible somehow |
| 21:50.04 | PerfDave | Empty: Tell me you put qmail somewhere sane where it won't conflict with apt stuff, like /usr/local ? |
| 21:50.18 | chealer | tarzeau: apparently both fr and en, but at least fr. I have an account : FilipusKlutiero |
| 21:50.21 | Empty | /var/qmail, /usr/local/bin |
| 21:50.26 | asg | PerfDave: qmail by default goes in a sane place |
| 21:50.27 | PerfDave | No, wait, qmail is djbcrackware that shits all over your filesystem like it was a vomit-stained toilet bowl in the back of a seedy nightclub. |
| 21:50.30 | edsuom | fibnitz: I will avoid apt-get update like the plague for a long time, I'm afraid |
| 21:50.33 | Empty | I doubt /var/qmail will ever be an issue |
| 21:50.38 | FieldySnuts | @win PerfDave |
| 21:50.40 | cafuego | tarzeau: No idea. I did pay a bit with other mapping software the other day though; have a nicer algorithm now. |
| 21:50.41 | ravenbird | Congratulations, PerfDave! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 21:50.42 | tarzeau | cafuego: there will be some learning of projection, correction and latitude/longtitude needed |
| 21:50.52 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I think I saw a few. usually the people who sell you the tickets. |
| 21:50.53 | tarzeau | cafuego: which algo? |
| 21:51.00 | Empty | and I dpkg-diverted the sendmail symlinks |
| 21:51.01 | PerfDave | asg: Nothing that has anything to do with djb can ever be described as sane in any way. |
| 21:51.02 | cafuego | tarzeau: yeah, that's what the algorithm is for. |
| 21:51.10 | Pip_Work | has anyone else experienced issues with apt-get this morning??? |
| 21:51.22 | Empty | PerfDave, sane, no. secure, yes |
| 21:51.22 | tarzeau | cafuego: oh if you just want to play, that's fine. tell me what you need. i have coordinates, pictures and scripts(xplant) |
| 21:51.25 | asg | PerfDave: djbdns compared to bind is very sane |
| 21:51.34 | PerfDave | asg: That's a matter of opinion. |
| 21:51.38 | asg | PerfDave: of course |
| 21:51.41 | FieldySnuts | no it is not, because of one thing daemontools |
| 21:51.45 | FieldySnuts | lunatic |
| 21:51.46 | cafuego | tarzeau: I have a worl map, all I need is names and coords, I think. |
| 21:51.48 | Renan_ | good... thnks ribnitz |
| 21:51.50 | PerfDave | Anyway, it's irrelevant to Empty's problem. |
| 21:51.51 | Renan_ | its working now |
| 21:51.51 | Renan_ | =] |
| 21:51.53 | Empty | asg, monkeys using golf balls as suppositories look sane next to BIND |
| 21:52.08 | tarzeau | chealer: please login, you can edit now |
| 21:52.08 | asg | Empty: that too |
| 21:52.14 | PerfDave | Empty: Use equivs, tell apt you have qmail-src (and possibly mail-transport-agent, I don't know how intelligent equivs is) installed, and remove exim. |
| 21:52.27 | tarzeau | xam: yes i was expecting a honest answer, but it was not a serious question |
| 21:52.28 | valentinos_ | can someone help me with this ? http://costsales.com/pub/iconslost.png |
| 21:52.29 | asg | Empty: iirc, equivs provides an example control file for building the dummy package you need. |
| 21:52.32 | ribnitz | Empty: BIND(9) is quite sane. |
| 21:52.34 | Solet | does the bot have a link to a general n00b "getting started with linux" page? i'm googling around but not getting anything worth looking at yet |
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| 21:52.57 | xam | tarzeau ;) |
| 21:52.59 | ribnitz | Solet: more specifically? |
| 21:53.01 | cafuego | tarzeau: ... and I can generate it very efficiently with php/gd - so it doesn't affect server load. |
| 21:53.05 | chealer | tarzeau: OK I can edit but I have no idea what to put there. is it a personal configuration file? Where is the format documented? |
| 21:53.06 | harryvv | by chance anyone here run * and zaptel cards? |
| 21:53.15 | Empty | ribnitz, you mean aside from the root exploit that had 3/4 of the internet patching on one day a few months back? |
| 21:53.31 | cafuego | harryvv: * as in 'all or * as in 'any' ? |
| 21:53.34 | FieldySnuts | "*" ? |
| 21:53.37 | Empty | asg, PerfDave , thank you very much |
| 21:53.40 | tarzeau | chealer: yes your account. set a password. the rest is not important |
| 21:53.53 | stew | cafuego: he means as in asterisk the voip |
| 21:54.03 | FieldySnuts | oh. well just frigging say it then |
| 21:54.06 | ribnitz | Empty: That should be taken care of by propagation delays, no? |
| 21:54.12 | Solet | ribnitz: i havent touched linux in 2 years... and i sucked then... i need a linux for microsoft users (dummies) type thing.. basily a general n00b file |
| 21:54.18 | harryvv | perf dont you use *? |
| 21:54.24 | Empty | if ($djb = "insane" && $vixie = "sane") { &fly(@pigs) }; |
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| 21:54.35 | FieldySnuts | Empty: yeah. |
| 21:54.41 | sippeter | When I do a "dpkg -b" then dpkg-deb fails with getting a package info file, but I am compiling it from someone elses .tar.gz so I know it should work, is there some special makefile I should be looking for in the sources? |
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| 21:54.48 | asg | Empty: you're welcome |
| 21:54.51 | PerfDave | harryvv: I use it every day, it's very handy for wildcard expressions in shell scripts. |
| 21:55.08 | harryvv | :) |
| 21:55.16 | Empty | PerfDave, I use it a *ton*, handy shortcut for keylock on my cell phone |
| 21:55.16 | ribnitz | Solet: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual |
| 21:55.18 | technoMyst | Anyone have opinions of courier-imap vs dovecot omap? |
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| 21:55.40 | Empty | Truly an ubiquitous technological boon, the humble asterisk |
| 21:55.43 | valentinos_ | dovecot works :P |
| 21:55.50 | technoMyst | lol, point taken |
| 21:55.51 | ribnitz | technoMyst: courier works fine here. |
| 21:56.06 | chealer | tarzeau: hummm...I have still no idea how to set a password. I thought I had already choosen one but I'm not sure. How can I check? |
| 21:56.10 | Empty | PerfDave, beware the 'rm -rf /var/lib/apt*' trap though ;) |
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| 21:56.12 | harryvv | perf, if you dont mind msg you concerning the auto loading of the zap modules on booting the system. seems make config is not doing its job and was intenet on running on redhat. |
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| 21:56.19 | valdyn | Solet: www.unixguide.net, www.tldp.org |
| 21:56.26 | PerfDave | harryvv: Please don't message me. I have no fucking idea what you're talking about for starters. |
| 21:56.48 | harryvv | that is fine |
| 21:56.53 | FieldySnuts | asterix does have their own irc channel, maybe even their own server |
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| 21:57.20 | FieldySnuts | i guess Clinton stabbed lewinsky. |
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| 21:57.33 | stew | harryvv: is your question, "how do i lood modules at boot?" |
| 21:58.10 | sippeter | This is just someone that uses asterisk as a default installed package, It's like going to #linux and asking a question about redhat setup scripts... |
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| 21:58.20 | harryvv | stew no * should be doing that IF make config for asterisk is working but tis not. |
| 21:58.48 | stew | harryvv: you are building asterisk from source? |
| 21:58.49 | FieldySnuts | just say the softwares name, not *, it's as annoying as saying ur instead of your |
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| 21:59.09 | abrotman | !ur |
| 21:59.09 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 21:59.28 | harryvv | stew, it works 100% right now. no issues with that hyst need to get the modules to autoload. BTW, hold on mabye have a solution here. |
| 21:59.32 | tarzeau | chealer: choose UserPrefs top right, and then choose it again middle top |
| 21:59.49 | tarzeau | chealer: don't ask. i don't know the name of mushroom moin developers ate |
| 22:00.02 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Low percentage of women in ouir job is a fact. |
| 22:00.04 | Empty | Hrm, according to dpkg swedish CSU/DSUs probably have a "ur" option under timing |
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| 22:00.24 | tarzeau | ribnitz: if you meet one like http://pages.prodigy.net/lee_edwards/melanie.jpg tell me |
| 22:00.35 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i want to marry. preferably swiss |
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| 22:01.00 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i don't know what your job is. but at my job, there's very much, smart and sexy women |
| 22:01.34 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I do sysadmin, and java programming for a small company outside zürich. |
| 22:01.41 | chealer | tarzeau: heh, I see. can I pm you about the wiki? |
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| 22:01.48 | doub | tarzeau: so they aren't rich, are they ? |
| 22:02.09 | tarzeau | doub: i don't care. money is not relevant |
| 22:02.17 | chealer | tarzeau: I figure out the top right (my own nick, right?), but not the middle top. |
| 22:02.25 | napsy | Hello! I am trying to compile xcompmgr for x.org 6.8.2 from cvs in debian. When I run autogen.sh I get the following error: "configure.ac: 9: `automake requires `AM_CONFIG_HEADER', not `AC_CONFIG_HEADER'" and later: "configure.ac: 9: required file `./[config.h].in' not found". What should I do? |
| 22:02.28 | tarzeau | ribnitz: see. maybe it's the java that frightens the sexy and smart women away ;) |
| 22:02.32 | Solet | ok: i know this question will make me look dumber than i already do, but how do i get to a gui from the console? |
| 22:02.34 | tarzeau | chealer: sure |
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| 22:02.53 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Its the usual mole job. |
| 22:02.54 | Empty | Solet, startx |
| 22:03.00 | valentinos_ | i have a problem with my icons anyone want to help (sarge) http://costsales.com/pub/iconslost.png |
| 22:03.15 | doub | tarzeau: it's not much to me either. it's just about a russian proverb: "if you want a rich, smart and beautiful wife, you'll have to marry 3 times" |
| 22:03.19 | tarzeau | chealer: try it. it just works |
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| 22:03.24 | tarzeau | chealer: if not, i'll find you the url |
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| 22:03.35 | Solet | umm crap "fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 22:03.36 | tfb_chris | sorry, this isn't debian-specific, but if I want to grep for lines containing either "foo" or "bar", in a file, how do I do this? |
| 22:03.40 | tarzeau | doub: you're from .ru? |
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| 22:03.46 | valdyn | valentinos_: change your theme? |
| 22:03.53 | jaygeek | hi.I have a probleme when adding a folder to the PATH in /etc/profile and /home/username/.bashrc the new folder is only available in a console and not for example with gnome desktop shortcut (I have to write the full path to the program) |
| 22:03.57 | doub | tarzeau: at least you have smart and sexy ones. i'm not from .ru, a friend is |
| 22:03.59 | valentinos_ | valdyn, i did does not work |
| 22:04.17 | kingsley_ | tfb_chris: egrep "foo|bar" file |
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| 22:04.27 | tfb_chris | kingsley_: thanks! |
| 22:04.28 | tarzeau | doub: it's not like there's many of them. |
| 22:04.35 | ribnitz | doub: problem is they are either smart or sexy, rarely both. |
| 22:04.35 | chealer | tarzeau: I already tried the top right (so I'm at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UserPreferences ), but I don't find middle top from there |
| 22:04.41 | Empty | Solet, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:04.43 | tarzeau | doub: www.meinbild.ch for some fun ;) |
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| 22:05.02 | tarzeau | chealer: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/BenutzerEinstellungen?action=highlight&value=UserPreferences |
| 22:05.04 | Slaper | virus? :) |
| 22:05.13 | doub | tarzeau: ... and they are married/not single |
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| 22:05.41 | Solet | empty: dpkg-reconfigure command not found? |
| 22:05.53 | tarzeau | Solet: id says you're root? |
| 22:05.56 | simon__ | su? |
| 22:06.21 | doub | ribnitz: but they can be stupid *and* ugly, on the other side. there's a problem somewhere... |
| 22:06.23 | chealer | tarzeau: works! I admit I have no idea how you found that (BTW it's spammed...if you didn't know already) |
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| 22:06.54 | asg | chealer: we're aware of it, hence the rather odd url you have to use to get to it. |
| 22:06.54 | directhex | Solet, what version of debian, what graphics card |
| 22:07.02 | tarzeau | chealer: yes there's lotsa lanaguages, and i only despammed the top/2nd layer , english ones |
| 22:07.06 | Solet | (i wasnt in root, need i be?) |
| 22:07.13 | tarzeau | Solet: yes |
| 22:07.17 | asg | Solet: this isn't windows |
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| 22:07.28 | directhex | tarzeau, you're wasting your time, it'll be a woody hardware support issue |
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| 22:07.34 | Slaper | windos... |
| 22:07.43 | ribnitz | doub: but you really need to be desperate till you take a stupid and ugliy one, unless she's caring. |
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| 22:08.14 | Solet | asg: no shit, i'm not stupid... i just dont know linux well at all.... |
| 22:08.17 | valdyn | valentinos_: create a new user, log into gnome with that one. If that works, then deleting all gnome configuration ( ~/.gnome ~/.nautilus/ etc ) should fix this |
| 22:08.23 | jaygeek | somebody can help me with the PATH please? |
| 22:08.31 | tarzeau | dpkg tell jaygeek about ask |
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| 22:08.57 | valdyn | valentinos_: if you want to fix you current setup, i cant help |
| 22:08.59 | valentinos_ | valdyn, ok i will try it sound sensible |
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| 22:09.09 | asg | Solet: then perhaps reading some introductory material will be of value to you. |
| 22:09.22 | chealer | jaygeek: KDE uses a different mechanism. gnome probably does too. maybe a gnome help channel or #gnome-debian helps better |
| 22:09.25 | directhex | or answering questions >_< |
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| 22:09.55 | jaygeek | chealer : ok so it's normal ? |
| 22:10.01 | smj | Hey folks. Where're the kernel configs stored for the Debian kernel on Sarge? |
| 22:10.04 | valdyn | valentinos_: gnome sure fucks up its own config occasionally, for me its always that theme switching stops working properly |
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| 22:10.08 | directhex | smj, /boot/ |
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| 22:10.20 | dvs | smj: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 22:10.42 | smj | directhex: Are these the ones the kernel was built with? |
| 22:10.47 | Solet | asg: i asked for links to some GOOD introductory matterial already... and i am in the process of going through what people told me about... any links you may have would be very helpful and much appreciated |
| 22:10.58 | chealer | jaygeek: I think so. again I'm just extrapolating from KDE |
| 22:11.14 | ribnitz | is there a dict client for X? |
| 22:11.15 | asg | Solet: the debian-reference and, while old, www.oreilly.com/openbook (using Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 22:11.15 | jaygeek | ok thank you |
| 22:11.16 | smj | dvs, directhex: I'll be damned, gracias. |
| 22:11.30 | dvs | smj: no problemo ;-) |
| 22:11.30 | doub | ribnitz: i once did. she even was colder than ice. huh what a good memory |
| 22:11.31 | asg | Solet: and what I said above was a joke |
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| 22:11.44 | directhex | Solet, how about learning to answer simple questions when asked by people trying to offer assistance? |
| 22:11.53 | mirak | Jaco Pastorius ! |
| 22:12.20 | ribnitz | doub: looks arent everything, but if there are neither looks not branes... |
| 22:12.40 | Solet | directhex: i doubt i know enough to be able to answer what you would consider a simple question... |
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| 22:13.00 | ribnitz | Solet: Do you use linux? |
| 22:13.24 | lonewolff | i wonder if anyone can help, im lookin a version of debian that i can install on an old cyrix machine, does anyone have any recomendations |
| 22:13.24 | directhex | Solet, i think 'what graphics card do you have' and 'what bloody operating system did you install' is simple enough. people can suually say whether thay have a ford focus or peugeot 406, rather than "car" |
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| 22:13.31 | valdyn | Solet: http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/, i like this one |
| 22:13.52 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 22:13.52 | dpkg | i guess refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 22:13.54 | abrotman | doh |
| 22:13.58 | abrotman | valdyn: you rat! |
| 22:13.58 | Solet | gfx is onboard... and i am not sure of the chipset... the machine is an old ass pack bell r5oo |
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| 22:14.04 | possie | i thought acl where supported in 2.4.29 kernel |
| 22:14.09 | valdyn | =/ |
| 22:14.20 | abrotman | valdyn: if you type out all of !fundamentals .. i'll give oyu a cookie :) |
| 22:14.27 | Solet | and i installed debian=woody... but i dont know what version or how to find version... |
| 22:14.39 | PerfDave | Solet: "Woody" is a version, it's 3.0 |
| 22:15.04 | Solet | ok |
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| 22:15.22 | PerfDave | Solet: "lspci" should tell you what graphics chipset you're using. |
| 22:15.57 | ribnitz | Solet: you are trying to install/using debian sarge (sometimes called testing)? |
| 22:16.25 | ribnitz | Solet: Debian versions have names. |
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| 22:16.31 | directhex | ribnitz, he's trying to get x runnign, and an ndiswrapper usb dongle runnign |
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| 22:16.36 | Empty | possie, ACL like router ACLs? You ar looking for iptables |
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| 22:16.51 | ribnitz | directhex: usb dongle? |
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| 22:17.03 | directhex | ribnitz, usb 802.11 dongle. |
| 22:17.11 | ribnitz | directhex: ah. |
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| 22:17.15 | zerotime | hi, which one is the file to add the lines you want to add to the system boot? |
| 22:17.21 | zerotime | I need to add this lines |
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| 22:17.22 | zerotime | /usr/sbin/hcid |
| 22:17.22 | zerotime | /usr/sbin/sdpd |
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| 22:17.44 | ribnitz | zerotime: /etc/runlevel.conf, if you use file-rc |
| 22:18.55 | possie | Empty: sorry i dint mention that, i ment filesystem ext3 ACL's |
| 22:19.39 | Solet | what would the videocards bus identifier be if its onboard video |
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| 22:19.52 | JAFO1 | 3 |
| 22:19.53 | Empty | possie, WTH is a filesystem ACL? |
| 22:19.54 | valdyn | Solet: lspci - but you dont need it usually |
| 22:20.02 | ribnitz | Solet: leave empty |
| 22:20.12 | possie | Empty: acl's on file that are on a ext3 filesystem |
| 22:20.19 | Empty | ribnitz, Solet and I aren't even dating |
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| 22:20.24 | ribnitz | valdyn: rwxrwxrwx? |
| 22:20.32 | Empty | possie, AKA permissions? |
| 22:20.42 | possie | Empty: indeed |
| 22:20.47 | valdyn | ribnitz: hmm? |
| 22:20.58 | valentinos_ | ok thanks valdyn for the help i am gone try to fix it on the weekend :> |
| 22:21.06 | Empty | possie, ext3 supports perms... all *nix FSs do |
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| 22:21.28 | possie | Empty: yes but i need ACL's |
| 22:21.39 | ribnitz | Empty: pity. |
| 22:21.46 | possie | Empty: unix perms are not enough for my setup |
| 22:22.05 | ribnitz | possie: what more do you need? |
| 22:22.35 | possie | ribnitz: i need to give multiple groups permission to certain files |
| 22:23.05 | ribnitz | possie: you cant do it weith the "other" group? |
| 22:23.05 | afrosheen | ldap? |
| 22:23.07 | valdyn | possie: why use acls for that? isnt it easier to add those groups members to a new group? |
| 22:23.09 | wm | ok, this is crazy. i'm having trouble with apache2, so i decided to first delete /etc/apache2, then uninstall apache2-mpm-prefork... now when i try and re-install it, it's telling me that, "This module does not exist!" when it tries to setup apache2 |
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| 22:23.22 | possie | ribnitz: no |
| 22:23.34 | ribnitz | valdyn: depending on the size thats impractical |
| 22:23.43 | possie | valdyn: that works great when you don't have alot of users on the system, i have 1200+ users |
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| 22:24.03 | valdyn | possie: i see, thanks |
| 22:24.06 | EvanCarroll | wm go to your modules-enabled dir and remove the one its telling you does not exist |
| 22:24.07 | Solet | ok i did the reconfig, and set everything up just they way it told me to and i still get "no screens found" |
| 22:24.10 | vulture | wm: you should have just purged the package rather htan manually deleting anything.. when you reinstalled it it probably didn't put in new configs because they were never removed in the first place |
| 22:24.21 | vulture | but I don't know for sure, and I don't know what it was that gave you that error |
| 22:24.39 | wm | so how do i go about fixing it? purging apache2? |
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| 22:25.04 | wm | EvanCarroll : it doesnt' say waht module's missing |
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| 22:25.18 | EvanCarroll | wm: that would work to, or just simply run 'sudo rm -f /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*' |
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| 22:25.25 | Empty | possie, google says that ext2 can support them w/ kernel hacks, so ext 3 should be fine since it's just ext2+journal |
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| 22:25.47 | Empty | possie, FS ACLs look interesting though, glad you asked :) |
| 22:26.12 | directhex | Solet, read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 22:26.13 | FooBarWidget | I read the debian website but I can find the info I need: is 3.0 woody stable, unstable or testing? |
| 22:26.16 | ribnitz | possie: 'acl' debian package? |
| 22:26.18 | Solet | any idea on what i should set as the desired X server driver? |
| 22:26.24 | directhex | FooBarWidget, stable. |
| 22:26.30 | directhex | FooBarWidget, from mid 2002 |
| 22:26.39 | FooBarWidget | what software does it contain? gnome 1.x? |
| 22:26.44 | EvanCarroll | wm: you can grep in /var/log/apach2/* for module it *might* yeild more verbose info, 'grep -i 'module' /var/log/apache2/*' |
| 22:26.44 | ribnitz | Solet: 'VESA', unless you see one for your gfx card |
| 22:26.45 | gino | does someone know better, easier or other sources to keep debian sarge secure besides of debian-release@lists.debian.org and http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 22:26.47 | directhex | FooBarWidget, yes |
| 22:27.10 | possie | Empty: then google for "acl 2.4.29" and read the first hit... thinks linke "when I tried to change the effective rights mask of a directory I |
| 22:27.10 | possie | got a kernel oops." make me a bit scared to use the "the kernel hack" |
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| 22:27.15 | FooBarWidget | is unstable or testing more recent? are they both reasonably stable for daily use? |
| 22:27.16 | ribnitz | gino: debian-security-announce? |
| 22:27.37 | Empty | possie, looks like the stock debian 2.6.8-1-686 kernel has them compiled in by default for ext3, maybe it's a mount option for fstab you are missing or something? |
| 22:27.39 | FooBarWidget | (not for server, just a distro to fiddle with) |
| 22:27.40 | directhex | FooBarWidget, testing is recent & pretty stable, but lacks securty updates. unstable is in a constant state of flux |
| 22:27.40 | ribnitz | FooBarWidget: dont use unstable. |
| 22:27.56 | FooBarWidget | ok testing it is |
| 22:27.58 | directhex | FooBarWidget, testing is due to be released as stable Real Soon Now (tm) |
| 22:28.00 | gino | ribnitz, security-announce is not specially for testing |
| 22:28.03 | directhex | !d-i FooBarWidget |
| 22:28.04 | dpkg | FooBarWidget, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:28.07 | possie | ribnitz: yes, and your kernel needs to support it, if you run 2.6 your good, but i need 2.4 for a certain driver so thats what pervents me from running 2.6 |
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| 22:28.39 | possie | Empty: ofcourse it's a mount option, and all 2.6 kernel support acl's |
| 22:28.39 | directhex | FooBarWidget, before you ask, xfree86 4.3 with backported drivers, gnome 2.8, kde 3.3, 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 as an install ior post-install option |
| 22:28.42 | FooBarWidget | !d-i |
| 22:28.42 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 22:28.57 | Empty | possie, I was locked into 2.4.18 for a year for driver reasons :( OK sounds like you know a lot more about than I... Good luck. |
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| 22:29.51 | wm | EvanCarroll : thanks, i purged all the packages and then re-installed and it sucessfully setup |
| 22:29.53 | smj | Hey folks, anyone here use nfs4? |
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| 22:29.59 | possie | Empty: which driver? |
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| 22:30.06 | EvanCarroll | wm: no prob |
| 22:30.14 | FooBarWidget | there's a bunch of ISOs at http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/. what are the difference? most of them have the same timestamp |
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| 22:30.50 | FooBarWidget | I mean, the same date |
| 22:30.50 | directhex | FooBarWidget, debian sarge is 15 cds big |
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| 22:30.52 | FooBarWidget | ...you mean I have to download them all? |
| 22:30.54 | directhex | FooBarWidget, you only need CD1 and a sensible net connection. |
| 22:31.09 | FooBarWidget | but what if the computer doesn't have a net connection? |
| 22:31.25 | directhex | FooBarWidget, then you need maybe 2 or 3 cds, but you're selling yourself short |
| 22:31.53 | Empty | possie, proprietary driver for some solid state disks... company went out of business |
| 22:32.23 | FooBarWidget | so let's say I download iso 1, 2 and 3. the OS will install correctly and will work correctly, but will not have some extra user applications, right? |
| 22:32.32 | Slaper | oh my ... |
| 22:32.35 | Empty | possie, we needed them for our insane mailqueues |
| 22:32.38 | possie | Empty: for me it's not really a driver acctually but the 3dmd tool from 3ware, it monitors the drives and mails when a disk dies, but they only release 3dmd for 2.4 kernels :( |
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| 22:32.49 | smj | So, anyone here used nfs4 on Sarge? |
| 22:33.02 | vorlon | considering that the nfs4 tools aren't in sarge yet...? |
| 22:33.12 | possie | Empty: what are disk reads speed you get from those solidstate disks? (at leat i think you use the for performance) |
| 22:33.20 | directhex | FooBarWidget, the first install installs the base system, about 200mb's worth. after that, you use apt-get to install extra packages. i think apt-cdrom is the command to make it aware of packages available on cd |
| 22:33.33 | Empty | possie, I don't recall, I deprecated them a few months back |
| 22:33.43 | smj | vorlon: Ah, ok, so that's why it's not working, got it. Thanks. :-) |
| 22:33.48 | Empty | possie, orders of magnitude faster than spinning platters though |
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| 22:33.58 | Solet | grrr i tried s3 (what lspci says i have) and vesa and neither work |
| 22:34.10 | possie | Empty: how big volumes are it? |
| 22:34.21 | abrotman | Solet: lspci says what about your video card? |
| 22:34.25 | Empty | possie, esp. given that the queues are qmail (and thus sync with every write) |
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| 22:35.04 | Empty | possie, they were 2GB each, upgradeable to 4GB... Had a secondary external power supply so they would not die when you rebooted the box |
| 22:35.14 | Solet | vga compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/768 [Trio32/64/64+] (rev 44) |
| 22:35.21 | Empty | possie, basically dedicate ramdisk on a PCI card |
| 22:35.33 | directhex | Solet, and your log file has what to say? |
| 22:35.36 | abrotman | Solet: well .. honestly .. S3 cards are probably some of the worst to get working |
| 22:35.38 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 22:35.38 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm> |
| 22:35.52 | possie | Empty: which brand, i knew a company i thought umem |
| 22:35.56 | Solet | rofl |
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| 22:36.26 | abrotman | Solet: i've got a bunch of machines in my office .. woody+XFree86 .. no freaking work .. S3 cards are crap .. find an ATI or something if you can |
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| 22:36.38 | Empty | I have " VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 11)" and Sarge Just Knew how to deal with it |
| 22:36.49 | Slaper | S3 <- goood |
| 22:36.54 | Empty | possie, an aussie company named Platypus, the product was the QikDrive |
| 22:37.06 | abrotman | Slaper: you lie! |
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| 22:37.13 | Slaper | haha |
| 22:37.29 | directhex | abrotman, people say ati and matrox support openness. people are good at buying heads in sand |
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| 22:37.29 | abrotman | Empty: totally different class .. i'm referring to those old Trio cards .. total crap .. all of them |
| 22:37.33 | Slaper | It would be. |
| 22:37.44 | directhex | i had a trio v64+, a pain to use in WINDOWS |
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| 22:37.49 | Empty | abrotman, OK :) This is a laptop too FWIW |
| 22:37.49 | Solet | would an old crap pci or isa card do the trick? |
| 22:37.56 | directhex | there were special bios patches needed to be loaded by autoexec.bat |
| 22:38.01 | abrotman | Empty: right .. a new one |
| 22:38.03 | directhex | to make my tv card work. |
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| 22:38.17 | abrotman | Solet: anything would be better .. a fucking trident would rule over that S3 |
| 22:38.18 | Empty | abrotman, FSV of new... |
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| 22:39.24 | abrotman | yay trident |
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| 22:39.30 | abrotman | at least i didn't revolution #9 :) |
| 22:39.35 | sri | hi all, trying to get jabberd working on my box |
| 22:39.35 | abrotman | err didn't say |
| 22:39.36 | possie | is it okee to run with the new module-init-tools on a 2.4 kernel? |
| 22:39.50 | sri | but it seems I can't connect or create new users |
| 22:39.51 | directhex | possie, from bunk 2.6? yes. from sid/sarge? no |
| 22:39.57 | sri | whats the default jabberd setup like? |
| 22:40.22 | possie | directhex: damn, i'm running sarge and just apt-get install module-init-tools, but now since damn 3ware don't have 3dmd for 2.6 i'm back to 2.4 kernel |
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| 22:40.39 | ribnitz | where do I get the x-fonts from so that firefox does show chinese, japanese and korean characters? |
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| 22:40.57 | directhex | ribnitz, a windows xp installation with the full 7mb .ttf files |
| 22:41.03 | Slaper | why not? |
| 22:41.04 | directhex | possie, oh, sarge. yeah, s' fine |
| 22:41.09 | sri | for instance does it only allow connections from localhost? |
| 22:41.12 | possie | directhex: phew, thanks :-) |
| 22:41.13 | ribnitz | directhex: thats sacrilegious. |
| 22:41.43 | directhex | ribnitz, also effective & a simple & effective solution. if you have an xp install |
| 22:41.47 | Solet | ok... fuck the gui for now... any ideas on how to get it to talk to my usb wifi card? |
| 22:41.54 | ribnitz | directhex: i dont. |
| 22:42.04 | ribnitz | directhex: or lets say its dual boot. |
| 22:42.14 | sri | ok, guess I gotta go it alone.. |
| 22:42.15 | zinx | Solet: make sure you have the driver for your usb wifi card |
| 22:42.20 | sri | exit..stage right |
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| 22:42.27 | PerfDave | Solet: Install Sarge? |
| 22:42.31 | directhex | ribnitz, if it's dual boot, pull the files from the partition |
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| 22:42.51 | ribnitz | directhex: there's no clean debian way? |
| 22:42.52 | zinx | Solet: then, once the driver is loaded and has detected your device (this may be impossible at the moment), figure out how to configure your wireless device :/ |
| 22:43.20 | Solet | heh |
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| 22:44.02 | directhex | ribnitz, there are probably some fonts if you apt-cache search, but it'[s a way that works for me |
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| 22:46.02 | zzone | ? |
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| 22:46.06 | zzone | ? |
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| 22:48.33 | slackd00d | if i want to download the sarge cd's..do i need all of them just to get the basics and kde/gnome installed? |
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| 22:49.07 | irmy610 | slackd00d, for one workstation? |
| 22:49.09 | njan | slackd00d, offline, you need > cd1, I'm not sure specifically which CD those packages are on |
| 22:49.18 | njan | slackd00d, if you have an internet connection you can install them off the web with one CD |
| 22:49.37 | slackd00d | well i just didnt want to do the net install |
| 22:49.46 | slackd00d | because i need it for more than 1 pc |
| 22:51.23 | irmy610 | slackd00d, more than 3? and 12 gb space anywhere? so you can mirror and get an internal install server |
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| 22:51.52 | Slaper | hamm... |
| 22:52.15 | slackd00d | fuck it, ill just do the net install |
| 22:52.53 | Slaper | server -> mirror1,mirror2,mirror3... |
| 22:52.57 | [sysdef] | slackd00d, how much systems you planned? |
| 22:53.00 | ribnitz | slackd00d: apt-proxy, puts up a local (aging) mirror |
| 22:53.04 | slackd00d | like 4 or 5 |
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| 22:53.35 | stew | slackd00d: just grab the first cd |
| 22:53.38 | ribnitz | slackd00d: have like 12-15 systems, mirror takes about 500-600 mb. |
| 22:54.01 | Xemacs_ | mini-dinstall lets you setup a local cache with flat directory |
| 22:54.08 | ribnitz | slackd00d: but again, ADSL. |
| 22:54.09 | slackd00d | is there away to get it so when i do the netinstall on one computer, it downloads the .debs and saves them |
| 22:54.22 | Zvpun | apt-move |
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| 22:54.36 | Solet | crap i just got stuck in latex trying ot view an error log |
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| 22:54.49 | Solet | it says "Please type another transcript file name:" |
| 22:54.59 | Solet | and it wont accept commands to exit |
| 22:55.13 | Slaper | good job! |
| 22:55.25 | slackd00d | stew: whats on the first cd |
| 22:55.26 | ribnitz | Solet: \q |
| 22:55.35 | ribnitz | Solet: or Ctrl-Z |
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| 22:55.53 | Stipey | I have a 7200rpm and a 5400rpm backup disk (let's say same capacity). Which is the best: sw raid 1 (mirror) or rsync? ...would raid1 have considerable good/bad implications? |
| 22:55.56 | Solet | the \q didnt work but ctrl z did |
| 22:56.09 | Solet | so what program should i use to view the error log? |
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| 22:56.18 | stew | slackd00d: the packages on the cds are ordered by popularity, so not many installs need much past the first couple of cds... |
| 22:56.19 | MasterJim | hi |
| 22:56.24 | Zvpun | Solet: wtf? |
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| 22:56.45 | slackd00d | stew: ok, cool..all i really wanted was base and kde and gnome |
| 22:56.53 | phorce1 | Hmmm, this (IRSSI) is going to take some adjusting to. |
| 22:56.54 | ribnitz | Stipey: raid1 isnt that performant, and does not replace a backp, also you loose half the capacy of both arrays. |
| 22:57.05 | MasterJim | I got a HUGE pb, I deleted some files on my ext3 partition and I want to get them back !! Because it's my work of 1 month that is drop now :'( |
| 22:57.17 | Xemacs_ | slackd00d, also there are torrents for the cd's |
| 22:57.18 | Babbage | How do I make make-kpkg do a parallel build? |
| 22:57.25 | ribnitz | Stipey: look at dirvish, for a hdd based backup |
| 22:57.27 | slackd00d | i was gonna use jigdo |
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| 22:57.29 | ribnitz | !dirvish |
| 22:57.29 | dpkg | Dirvish is a fast, disk based, rotating network backup system. With dirvish you can maintain a set of complete images of your filesystems with unattended creation and expiration. A dirvish backup vault is like a time machine for your data. See http://www.dirvish.org |
| 22:57.34 | Solet | masterjim: GetDataBack for NTFS |
| 22:57.40 | Stipey | ribnitz> i'll check it out, thanks |
| 22:57.46 | MasterJim | I read that a TCT on the whole disk could help, but does there is another way ? |
| 22:57.53 | MasterJim | Solet: I'm in ext3 |
| 22:58.07 | ribnitz | Stipey: might consider a third disk and doing SW raid 5 on that. |
| 22:58.20 | Solet | masterjim... i dont do linux i do pc repair and assistance... |
| 22:58.23 | Solet | pull the drive |
| 22:58.28 | Babbage | !tell masterJim about backups |
| 22:58.37 | Solet | put it on a windows machine and get GetDataBack for NTFS |
| 22:58.40 | G400 | patch is driving me crazy. A kernel dev has sent me a patch in an e-mail. No matter what I do to it, I get it rejected. When I try to type up a small sample in an editor, I get "malformed patch". Is there some trick with line feeds or white space or something? |
| 22:58.51 | MasterJim | I got my laptop there and I don't touch it until I find a efficient solution |
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| 22:59.22 | MasterJim | Babbage: it was deleted when I made my backup |
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| 23:01.07 | cafuego | grr |
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| 23:01.55 | stego | How do I replace kdm with gdm as the default display manager? |
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| 23:02.16 | Zvpun | update-alternatives or dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 23:02.22 | slackd00d | is there a file list anywhere that tells whats on which sarge cd? |
| 23:02.25 | cafuego | x-session-manager |
| 23:02.37 | fxn | hi! is there any known issue with Gnome in unstable? I installed a fresh system and the window manager (metacity) does not work, windows have no decorations |
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| 23:03.42 | ixce | how many iso disc do i have to download for bittorrent if i want to get debian |
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| 23:03.51 | Zvpun | fxn: if you cant handle problems in unstable yourself install testing |
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| 23:04.23 | Solet | ixce: you found a torrent with all the install discs? |
| 23:04.33 | cafuego | ixce: I find the 40MB business card CD is normally enough. |
| 23:04.34 | Zvpun | ixce: 1,2 maybe 3. There is no need to get more unless you know why you'd need them |
| 23:04.43 | fxn | Zvpun: well, the first thing to try to handle that myself is asking in a support channel, I've tried to figure out it before |
| 23:04.55 | phorce1 | ixc: you only need 1 -- and it's not even a full CD (netinstall) |
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| 23:05.05 | ixce | well i dont want a net install |
| 23:05.10 | ixce | i tried that with suse it was so slow |
| 23:05.11 | stego | cafuego, the man page is for gnome-session. I think i'm missing the point... is there a config that sets the default session manager? |
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| 23:05.20 | ixce | so i only need cd1 and cd2? |
| 23:05.22 | msg43 | I'm in the 8th grade and a friend of mine has said he thinking about sucide twice. I think he is mad or lying but I really don't know what to do? CAn you guys give me advice. I know this is not the correct place to put this but you might help me save a life! |
| 23:05.26 | ribnitz | ixce: susi sux. |
| 23:05.28 | phorce1 | grr -- OK, gotta fix autocomplete on IRSSI -- that test failed |
| 23:05.35 | ixce | yea it des |
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| 23:05.37 | ixce | does |
| 23:05.37 | phorce1 | ixce: you only need 1 -- and it's not even a full CD (netinstall) |
| 23:05.41 | ribnitz | ixce: she might even lick if ask nicely.. |
| 23:05.46 | Solet | ixce: whats the link to the full cd set torrents for debian |
| 23:05.54 | phorce1 | ixce: OH -- no netinstall -- sorry |
| 23:05.56 | ixce | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/torrents/i386/ |
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| 23:06.01 | ixce | yea |
| 23:06.05 | Zvpun | stego: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 23:06.06 | neo10-CZE | HELLO |
| 23:06.08 | catlee | Is there a way to see the changelog for a package before I upgrade? |
| 23:06.10 | ixce | only gentoo has cool netinstall :b |
| 23:06.18 | neo10-CZE | I need help with rsync (http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync) |
| 23:06.30 | cafuego | catlee: try apt-listbugs |
| 23:06.44 | stego | Zvpun, that's exactly what I was looking for.. thanks. |
| 23:06.49 | Solet | well... fuck its all sarge stuff |
| 23:06.49 | cafuego | ixce: Go rinse your mouth and GET OUT. |
| 23:07.07 | ixce | cafuego: why? |
| 23:07.31 | FieldySnuts | troll |
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| 23:07.35 | ixce | so i only need 2 iso's right? |
| 23:07.35 | cafuego | ixce: There's no need to use such filthy language in here. |
| 23:07.37 | Ronin | cause debian has a cool netinstall too |
| 23:07.37 | Ralphie | If I am on my server I am able to telnet to port 25 and I see the banner from exim. If I am another machine on my lan and I telnet to port 25 of the server the connection is refused. Anyone kwon what might be going on with this?> |
| 23:07.40 | neo10-CZE | prase:/etc/init.d# ./debian.mirror |
| 23:07.41 | neo10-CZE | ./debian.mirror: line 79: lockfile: command not found |
| 23:07.43 | neo10-CZE | Press any key to continue... |
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| 23:07.44 | neo10-CZE | :( :( :( |
| 23:08.04 | ixce | Ronin: okok but i still only need 2 cds right? |
| 23:08.07 | Zvpun | Ralphie: exim is configured to accept only local connections |
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| 23:08.17 | cafuego | neo10-CZE: Any reason you're trying to mirror over 30GB of software? |
| 23:08.32 | Ralphie | zvpun: But how aobut for outgoign smtp? |
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| 23:08.43 | Zvpun | Ralphie: ? |
| 23:08.48 | Ralphie | zvpun: The computers on the lan need to connect to port 25 to send the emails out. |
| 23:08.49 | ncsu | would anyone happen to know how i can get thunderbird to open links in a new window, i tried google and #thunderbird/mozilla/firefox but no one seemed to know |
| 23:08.54 | Solet | anyone know where i can find torrents for the full set of debian install cd iso's? |
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| 23:09.02 | Zvpun | Ralphie: reconfigure exim to your needs |
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| 23:09.20 | FieldySnuts | Solet: someone already answerd, scroll up |
| 23:09.22 | catlee | cafuego: thanks |
| 23:09.28 | Ralphie | zvpun: Everything has worked fine before. have changed nothing. |
| 23:09.32 | Solet | fieldy: that was sarge... |
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| 23:09.55 | Ralphie | But just recently all the connections to port 25 have be refused. |
| 23:10.09 | dondelelcaro | Solet: everything is liked off of debian.org/CD/ See http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/torrents/ FE |
| 23:10.13 | Zvpun | Ralphie: so either exim was configured to drop connections or you run a firewall |
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| 23:10.58 | Solet | haha oops... i backed up a few folders... one more and i woulda been to where i needed to get |
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| 23:11.06 | phorce1 | ralphie: *something* changed. It doesn't work now |
| 23:11.12 | Ralphie | zvpun: The router has this port open. |
| 23:11.24 | Ralphie | zvpun: 25 is open. |
| 23:11.36 | FieldySnuts | @lart Ralphie |
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| 23:13.22 | phorce1 | ralphie: you state "the computers on the LAN need to connect to 25 to send mails out" Do they connect to your Exim machine and use it as an outbound server or do they connect to an upstream ISP mail server directly on 25? |
| 23:13.48 | Ralphie | phorce1: they connect to my exim machine. |
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| 23:14.12 | Ralphie | phorce1: Outside of my network people can telnet to port 25 and it works. |
| 23:14.26 | Ralphie | phorce1: seems from on my lan the connection is refused from the server! |
| 23:14.39 | phorce1 | ralphie: and the exim machine is a live server or it uses an ISP server updtream as a "smarthost"? |
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| 23:14.56 | Ralphie | live server. |
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| 23:16.14 | phorce1 | ralphie: This indicates a change in the in house routing somehow. Can you ssh to the mail server and get a console connection? Can you still ping the server successfully? |
| 23:16.24 | Ralphie | yeah |
| 23:16.26 | Ralphie | I can ping |
| 23:16.27 | Ralphie | ssh |
| 23:16.29 | Ralphie | all that. |
| 23:16.38 | Ralphie | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 23:16.43 | Ralphie | that is a problem right? |
| 23:16.52 | Ralphie | not bound a particular interface? |
| 23:16.57 | hellblade | hi. i'm trying to compile amarok from CVS, with "make -f Makefile.cvs" but it sais i'm using autoconf 2.13 (needs 2.53+) althought I have the latest available in sid (2.59...) installed. how can i set this? |
| 23:17.01 | FieldySnuts | somebody needs networking 101 |
| 23:17.01 | petemc | Ralphie: no, its not, as you're being told in #exim |
| 23:17.02 | njan | Ralphie, that means it'll listen on *all* interfaces |
| 23:17.07 | phorce1 | ralphie: shouldn't be a problem -- listens on all |
| 23:17.27 | FieldySnuts | you either have a firewall (such as iptables locally), a router, or something such as tcpd wrappers interfering. watch logs |
| 23:17.44 | FieldySnuts | or exim is configged to reject anything but local connects. |
| 23:18.43 | phorce1 | ralphie: and it answers queries from OUTSIDE your LAN so it's obviously listening on the external IP. Maybe the Exim config changed somehow to reject connections from 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x |
| 23:18.53 | petemc | no |
| 23:19.02 | petemc | !+connection refused |
| 23:19.02 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 23:20.16 | ncsu | ebay is awsome, a brand new 10 million candlepower spotlight for 11 bucks |
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| 23:21.27 | phorce1 | petemc: would he not get that error from an SMTP server configured internally to not accept connections from the IP he is calling from? Or would the SMTP server issue a 5xx error in response? |
| 23:21.37 | slackd00d | !d-i |
| 23:21.37 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 23:22.17 | petemc | phorce1: exim doesnt have that functionality, it can refuse to send mail for ips, but not refuse connections |
| 23:22.52 | phorce1 | petemc: so it would allow the connect then drop it immediately with a 5xx |
| 23:23.19 | Zvpun | petemc: if exim isnt listening on eth0 you get a conection refused |
| 23:23.35 | petemc | phorce1: it would give the 5xx after rcpt to: |
| 23:23.37 | phorce1 | petemc: I use exim but it's been set up and working as-is for 5 years or so <grin> |
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| 23:23.47 | petemc | Zvpun: no shit |
| 23:24.16 | Zvpun | petemc: that is what phorce1 is talking about IMHO |
| 23:24.20 | smoser | I asked earlier about debug symbols separate from the binaries that they are coupled to (so the debug symbols could be installed when needed, and the stripped binaries normally installed), and gdb finding the symbols. |
| 23:24.43 | thingfish | someone named minK is PMing with a porn link. |
| 23:24.46 | petemc | Zvpun: we've already established exim is listening on all interfaces, and thats not what he's talking about anyway |
| 23:24.47 | smoser | I found more evidence of it at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/StackTraces . 'debuginfo' is a tool that seems to be able to set this up. |
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| 23:25.16 | phorce1 | zvpun: no -- exim has keyword that tell it what group of IP's to allow (or not) connections from. Ralphie showed that his exim is listening on all interfaces |
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| 23:25.26 | smoser | evidence and documentation of this seems to be very short, even though it is on in fedor. anyone know of an effort to use this in debian? |
| 23:25.40 | Zvpun | petemc: I am sorry |
| 23:25.40 | petemc | !ops minK join spam |
| 23:25.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: minK join spam |
| 23:25.45 | hellblade | can anyone help me with compile? |
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| 23:25.56 | petemc | Zvpun: thats quite alright :) |
| 23:26.02 | thingfish | thank you |
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| 23:28.32 | smoser | hellblade, whats the problem. |
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| 23:29.20 | hellblade | smoser> pls look at my previous post |
| 23:29.24 | phorce1 | petemc zvpun: my exim works great. SMTP auth accept from anywhere, reject with 550 if not AUTH'd, change Sender: to match auth so I can use it as outbound for addresses in multiple domains. I may have to tell it not to accept from a particular IP to see what it does in that case. |
| 23:29.38 | pango | hi... someone reported a bug that comes from the CGI.pm version installed on my web server... Problem is, it runs Debian stable, what are the options to upgrade CGI.pm (hopefully without breaking other stuff) ? |
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| 23:30.17 | smoser | hellblade, try 'autoreconf' autoconf and such. |
| 23:30.41 | petemc | phorce1: yeah, exim iks great, its a pity the debian maintainers have been getting a bashing on the exim-users list recently |
| 23:31.12 | petemc | s/iks/is/ |
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| 23:32.02 | phorce1 | petemc: I'm still at 3.3x beacause I tend not ti "fix" things that aren't broke. |
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| 23:32.27 | pango | it's part of perl-modules, the site relies heavily on perl, I'm a bit afraid of doing something wrong :/ |
| 23:32.36 | hellblade | smoser> autoconf: configure.in: No such file or directory |
| 23:32.51 | borourke | Hello, anyone have any general install tips for people new to Debian? I'm going to try my first installation on a desktop tonight. |
| 23:33.03 | petemc | phorce1: its worth upgrading |
| 23:33.07 | hellblade | smoser> same with autoreconf |
| 23:33.18 | smoser | hellblade, 'aclocal'. sorry to just spit ideas, but I'm not exactly sure of that sutff, those are the things I'd try. |
| 23:34.07 | phorce1 | petemc: I may when sarge goes stable or when I move the mail server off of this desktop machine as I starting setting up the rackmount at the house. |
| 23:34.15 | hellblade | smoser> ok. no worries, you are helping:P |
| 23:34.24 | phorce1 | s/starting/start |
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| 23:34.55 | drfox | debian en espaniol? |
| 23:34.57 | pngwn | borourke, there is an install guide on debian.org |
| 23:35.00 | drfox | alguien me pase el dato |
| 23:35.07 | drfox | canal de debian por favor |
| 23:35.20 | petemc | !tell drfox about spanish |
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| 23:35.57 | hellblade | hellblade> it sais the same. should there be some "--something" for make to specify the autoconf to use? |
| 23:36.01 | petemc | phorce1: it should be on by default |
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| 23:36.15 | pngwn | borourke, the faq in the topic is helpful too |
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| 23:36.34 | Wikipedia-Gast | HAllo HAllo |
| 23:36.44 | phorce1 | petemc: Ahhh tab complete. I'm used to BitchX autocomplete-on-send |
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| 23:37.30 | borourke | pngwn: thanks |
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| 23:40.00 | sedat | what is the modul for Realtek RTL8201 PHY |
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| 23:41.25 | sedat | what is the modul for Realtek RTL8201 PHY |
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| 23:42.04 | jcuk | yo |
| 23:42.05 | jcuk | :P |
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| 23:42.35 | streuner | sedat: use 'usenet' |
| 23:42.56 | streuner | sedat: groups.google.com |
| 23:43.12 | gartt | Anyone use a gps with a laptop? |
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| 23:43.40 | shingouz | !anyone |
| 23:43.40 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 23:43.59 | shingouz | gartt: do you have some problem with it? |
| 23:45.13 | ecliptik | irssi is pretty nice, thanks for whoever mentioned it a while ago |
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| 23:46.08 | Phated | irssi looks weird by default. With a nice theme though... Things are different. |
| 23:46.14 | possie | is there any diffrence between "init 6" or "shutdown -r now" ? |
| 23:46.33 | dbron | hi all - any mail admins out there? I had someone suggest to me that a reasonable retry config is to retry every hour on the hour for 5 days for failed domains - I think that is excessive. Any other opinions would be appreciated, I don't see anything in the RFC's about retry intervals. |
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| 23:46.56 | sparr | can anyone recommend an irc client for linux that might feel comfortable to a mirc user? ive tried xchat, chatzilla, and ksirc and they just dont do it for me |
| 23:47.08 | Zvpun | sparr: try irssi |
| 23:47.12 | Phated | Hah. |
| 23:47.23 | phorce1 | Phated: I just installed it a few minutes ago myself. Looks similar to BitchX by default. Had a few "adjsutments" to make. Already like the windo handling |
| 23:47.30 | hypnox | nah, epicII |
| 23:47.36 | ecliptik | I would have thought that Xchat would be the more famaliar to a mirc user |
| 23:48.00 | Phated | phorce1: No idea about that. I installed it a long time ago, never used anything else except xchat, but irssi's tab-complete is far less annoying than xchat's. |
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| 23:48.15 | zamolxes | Spark: konversation :) |
| 23:48.24 | ecliptik | sparr, have you tried bitchx? |
| 23:48.26 | Phated | phorce1: Screen and an xterm will allow you to switch between X and a tty efficiently. :) |
| 23:48.46 | smoser | screen Rules! |
| 23:48.50 | sparr | ecliptik: yes, i really dislike its handling of multiple channels |
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| 23:49.01 | doub | sparr: you might be better off learning another irc client than trying to find a copy of mirc |
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| 23:49.08 | zamolxes | sparr: try kvirc or konversation |
| 23:49.09 | ecliptik | sparr, same here, irssi looks like it may do a better job |
| 23:49.10 | phorce1 | In fact, /me gets way too much 'mouse' use from the winxp boxen he has to use. CLI ans screen on linux |
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| 23:49.25 | ecliptik | sparr, I think gaim has an irc plugin you may give a whirl |
| 23:49.45 | Phated | Gaim has IRC now? Well... there goes irssi. :) |
| 23:49.53 | Zvpun | or try telnet |
| 23:51.18 | phorce1 | Phated: Actually, I don almost all of my work from a WinXP box using PuttY ssh and screen to work on multiple linux machines. Fonts set up prettier on the Windoze boxen without having to work at it (or bog down the linux boxen with X crap I'd never use). |
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| 23:52.06 | Phated | phorce1: I dunno. Again, I never really cared about that stuff. Fonts look fine here, I don't hate X, and so on. |
| 23:52.09 | phorce1 | Phated: If I log on to a linux box directly they're all ugly, huge, 80x25 console text. |
| 23:52.15 | suzzi | any one know of a good guide for screen? |
| 23:52.23 | Phated | I like 80x25, mind. |
| 23:52.38 | Phated | Yeah, man screen. Long, detailed, and painful. But it's good. |
| 23:52.42 | Zvpun | suzzi: the manpage and dayly use |
| 23:53.08 | smoser | suzzi, the online documentation is pretty good.http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 |
| 23:53.12 | petemc | linux journal did a write up on it a while ago, its probably archived |
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| 23:53.26 | suzzi | Phated: well ya but I would like to have something that I can print out and I would rather like something that is a bit more consice ... something more of a reffrence |
| 23:53.36 | suzzi | smoser: cool I';ll chekc that out |
| 23:53.39 | suzzi | eep |
| 23:53.41 | suzzi | fat fingers =( |
| 23:53.59 | Phated | <shrug> C-a ? . |
| 23:55.05 | phorce1 | Phated: I don't hate X. Just don't have enough need for X apps to go through the install and cleanup. And 80 wraps too much when working on scripts and html <grin> |
| 23:55.14 | Phated | Heh. |
| 23:55.24 | smoser | screen is phenominal. i use it just about everywhere and end up cursing my self when ever I do something not in a session. because i always want to detach from it and continue working iwth it somewhere else. |
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| 23:57.04 | smoser | my only beef with it is that 'C-a s' is too easy to type accidently. it will do a xfer-stop to your console. took me quite a while to figure that out. you have to hit C-a q to continue. |
| 23:57.23 | Phated | Ah, is that was it does, then. |
| 23:57.41 | Phated | I was fairly miffed at doing that when I was trying for C-a a once. |
| 23:57.50 | petemc | smoser: dont you mean ^s |
| 23:57.55 | smoser | make that C-s, C-q |
| 23:57.56 | smoser | yeay |
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| 23:58.12 | zinx | s is waay far away from a on my keyboard :) |
| 23:58.17 | smoser | i remapped it for someone. |
| 23:58.25 | phorce1 | my big thing is remembering which machine has which CTRL character. I finally put them all back to CTRL-a and make sure I open a different PuttY to each machine. Got myself in a dang loop yesterday because I went into screen from another screen session and had to ask how to force detach. |
| 23:58.37 | Phated | Heh. |
| 23:58.40 | duq | what do y'all use for backups? disk on host A ==> tape on host B |
| 23:59.02 | suzzi | smoser: thanks, exactly what I was looking for. |
| 23:59.25 | zinx | duq: i harvest animals and use their brainmeats to organically store all backups |
| 23:59.34 | duq | mmm, brainmeats |
